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Who knew that these mid-cycle days of the long emergency (i.e. the collapse of techno-industrial economies) would feature the willful abandonment of reason by the thinking class of Western Civ, and America extra-specially? Reminder: the basic catalyst for collapse is over-investments in complexity with diminishing returns. The rest follows from there.

Another name for diminishing returns is blowback. The Internet is certainly the most complex assembly of human thought in human history and it is blowing back ferociously on humanity in ways that are far from obvious. It has set in motion countless recursive feedback loops of misinformation, disinformation, and ideas that are simply bad in the sense that they don’t comport with reality. Hence, the new elastic meaning of the concept known as “truth.”

Capital T Truth used to be mankind’s conduit to reality. To even state it that way now may invite censure for sexism, since the word “man” has lately been burdened with toxic overtones; while the concept of sexism itself is tinged with the unreal notion that the hard-wired tensions between men and women should not be allowed to exist and must be abolished. That’s how hopelessly complex it’s getting. The divorce between truth and reality is nearly complete now that everybody has his/her/zhe’s own truth, and the facts are just ornaments subject to rearrangement within anyone’s own story.

The stupendous failures of authority driving America to political collapse are one manifestation of these dynamics, and one that might concern the thinking class, if it wasn’t so busy mind-fucking itself and everybody else. For instance, that most recent example of non-inclusive “truth” known as the Mueller Report. That hallowed document states unequivocally that Russia hacked the Democratic National Committee’s email server in 2016.

In reality, there is no evidence of that being true. Neither the FBI nor Robert Mueller and his own investigators made any attempt to conduct a forensic examination of the DNC’s servers. They left the job to an outfit called Crowdstrike, a DNC contractor, and Crowdstrike’s “conclusions” were conveyed to the FBI and Mr. Mueller in a half-assed memo from the DNC’s lawyers. Anybody notice the embedded interests there? No one connected with these authorities ever even deigned to interview Julian Assange, either, and he was the one person on earth who might know for sure how those purloined emails came to Wikileaks.

Another whopper staring the credulous thinking class in the face is the obvious fact that Mrs. Clinton’s campaign colluded with Russians. Mr. Mueller left out of his report the fact that two Russians present in the infamous Trump Tower Meeting of 2016, Natalia Veselnitskaya and Rinat Akhmetshin, were in the service of Glenn Simpson’s Fusion GPS “oppo research” company, hired by the Clinton Campaign and progenitor of RussiaGate, in particular the janky documents known as the “Steele Dossier.” Would you consider that a material omission? I would. How is it that the news media shows no interest in these matters? I suppose because it is not their truth.

Mrs. Clinton’s additional dealings with Russians — and the choo-choo train of cash money they rode in with — reached a high tide during her tenure at the State Department, when her foundation hauled in more than $150-million from Russian business interests alone (that is, from oligarchs), not to mention the mere half-million in walking-around-money that husband Bill received for giving a single speech to a Russian banking group. How is it that a Secretary of State trafficked in so much grifted loot without raising any red flags for institutional auditors?

America’s relationship with authority is in grievous disrepair with Robert Mueller as exhibit-A — a would-be Moses-like figure, only with feet of clay and a head rotting like the proverbial fish of institutional corruption. He announced in his May 29th “news conference” — in which he refused to entertain questions — that he preferred not to testify in any further inquiries about his Special Counsel investigation. What a cheeky fellow! It was, perhaps, a message to Reps. Nadler, Schiff, and comrades on the various congressional committees to (hint hint) not even bother calling him. But Mr. Mueller was, after all, a mere employee of the US Department of Justice, not a herald of God Almighty. I rather imagine that the Attorney General, Mr. Barr, has a few additional questions he would like to ask his “old friend.” Will Mr. Mueller, this Greta Garbo of jurisprudence, coyly demur? And on what basis, exactly? I don’t think he can get away with it.

The complexities of RussiaGate make all previous government scandals look as simple as Pin the Tail on the Donkey. The Internet will prove to be both its doing and its undoing. The much abused and perverted official “truths” of the matter were amplified by the Internet. And, of course, these “truths” were enlisted in service of Mrs. Clinton and the rogue bureaucracy looking to defend her (and themselves) at all costs. The cost turns out to be the dismemberment of thinking itself in America. It is now taken for granted that anyone who persists in thinking for him/her/zheself will be tossed out of the Internet’s large “social media” arenas in Mark Zuckerberg’s and Jack Dorsey’s quest to purify history.

They will not succeed. But they have certainly succeeded in needlessly antagonizing Russia, shoving foreign policy debate into sequestered game rooms that are at once halls-of-mirrors and echo chambers, and making the world a much more dangerous place. There is also a pretty fair percentage chance that America is too far gone intellectually to sort all this out.


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  1. K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 10:08 am #

    I’d say diminishing returns and over investment in activities that yield diminishing returns is a symptom of collapse. It indicates limits are being reached.

    The capacity for self-delusion may be the final nail in civilizations coffin and the internet could be classed as giving diminishing returns because truth was easier in the day of immutable paper print. Electrons are far more here today gone and gone tomorrow and video unless it is done well makes the brain sleep.

    The answer in part, is transparency. I wrote about this yesterday. But the investment in deception is out of control.

    • Neon Vincent June 17, 2019 at 10:35 am #

      Hi, K-Dog! I enjoyed reading both “Brittle Transparency” and “Collapse Is With Us And It Is Here To Stay” at your blog just now. I’d like to tie the latter post into your observation about diminishing returns leading to collapse. In the entry about collapse, you wrote “Overpopulation has caused environmental degradation and resource depletion to a degree that will now prevent existing arrangements to continue.” Diminishing returns on having children is starting to slow down overpopulation, at least in developing countries, as U.S. birth and fertility rates continue falling and setting record lows. Americans, Europeans, and east Asians are doing their part to slow the rise of P in I=P*A*T! Of course, that isn’t happening without a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth, first on the part of economists who think that underpopulation will cause economies based on expanding populations to stagnate and shrink and second on the part of ordinary Americans would would like to have children and grandchildren but can’t afford to. Not everyone is a proponent of zero population growth like me and even I am thinking I should be careful what I wish for, I might not like how I get it.

      You also wrote “The most significant waste product of resource depletion, carbon dioxide begins reversal of the green revolution before supply chains disruption from depletion ends the energy and fossil fuel inputs on which modern agriculture depends.” The most purposeful plan to mitigate this and retool the economy that seems to have any mainstream political energy in the U.S. is the Green New Deal. I admit it’s nowhere near enough and has strong partisan opposition, but it is a good first step and better than allowing things to take their current course that seems to be the main alternative.

      • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 11:38 am #

        ‘Diminishing returns on having children is starting to slow down overpopulation, at least in developing countries, as U.S. birth and fertility rates continue falling and setting record lows. Americans, Europeans, and east Asians are doing their part to slow the rise of P in I=P*A*T!

        This is a dodge.

        As countries develop the environmental footprint of every person increases. On a global or national scale Efp (environmental footprint) is proportional to both P (population) and Na (national affluence) through a constant of proportionality k.

        Efp = k ( P * Na )

        The jury is out on if the Green New Deal is white bread hopium or real progress.

        Now integrate that puppy over the entire globe and you can measure the damage.

        A real equation Vincent. So you being a teacher can prove me wrong or go teach it. The bottom line is mother earth is getting real sick of bullshit and so is everyone else.

        • elysianfield June 17, 2019 at 12:26 pm #

          “The jury is out on if the Green New Deal is white bread hopium or real progress.”

          Dog,
          …No it ain’t.

          Anyone with a modicum of interest in human history understands that it requires the will to succeed, not a proposal.

          We all can offer proposals to solve the world’s problems…the will to sacrifice? Not so much.

          • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 2:08 pm #

            I agree. Like discussions about Geo Engineering. Who is going to fund initiatives which might or might not work and cost $100s of billions of dollars? I’ve noticed how big brains can wax poetic for hours about the technical potentials of their nerd fantasies but never once have I ever heard feasibility and the necessary political and budgetary commitments discussed. Not once ever. It is all a pipe dream. But as far as it goes it is smokin interesting shit.

            I guess we are just supposed to come together in a big group hug and it will all be good after they all finish with their TED talks.

      • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 12:16 pm #

        How will a Green New Deal furnish the fossil fuel inputs on which the Green Revolution still depends and for which there are no replacements? The only green in the GND I see so far is $$$$.

        GND Green New Deal or in electronics, ground potential. Zero potential, nada, none at all. No voltage. Generalities won’t work. Generalities are political bullshit.

    • 450.org June 17, 2019 at 11:21 am #

      If I’ve read it correctly, the point of the post is that the truth of the matter is, yes, Russia has colluded with American leaders to meddle in our politics, but everyone’s doing it including the Clintons, so therefore it’s all good.

      Seriously, it reads as a further indictment of Russia and reveals that Russia is burning both ends of the American political candle and all the wax in between.

      If the bottom line is, they’re ALL traitors, not just Trump, I agree. Now, what are Americans going to do about it? Will Americans do anything about it? Or will Americans continue to choose tribal truth over the really truthful truth?

      • Nightowl June 17, 2019 at 11:31 am #

        Where is the concrete evidence for Trump being a traitor? Working with the Russians to nefarious ends?

        I know I ask this often, but no one ever provides any. Perhaps you are different. Ready when you are.

        • lbs June 17, 2019 at 6:46 pm #

          The wokester class is all embarked on an endless low carbon ecotourism safari through the labyrinth of Rachel Maddow’s brain.

      • shotho June 17, 2019 at 11:37 am #

        What exactly do you suggest that Americans can do about “it”? Voting does not seem to be an option for “draining the swamp”. Armed insurrection, better known as civil war, could be tried, I suppose. But consider the nature of the American population in its degraded and bloated configuration. Not much left.
        Russia and China are increasingly moving together with India remaining on the sidelines for now. The Anglo-American dominance of the West is no longer tenable. It looks to me that, increasingly, the Russians have no need for an American candle.

      • gonetohell June 17, 2019 at 5:15 pm #

        To answer your question; Americans will continue to do nothing. Even assuming they are smart enough, they are far to complacent. Actually, so many are buried in just trying to survive that they have no time or energy to do anything.

        Much of the supposed intellect in this country, of which JHK purports membership, defend an ass clown president like D J Trump. What sort of hope does that give you? A man that not only doesn’t want a GND, he wants to roll back the flimsy environmental protections of previous administrations. A man that also wants to give carte blanche back to the banks that likely own him.

        JHK brings up Hillary in nearly every rambling, as though she has relevance in solving the problems currently facing America. Let go JHK, let’s worry about the fool occupying the Oval Office. Don’t rail about the subjectiveness of truth when your hero has taken the concept to new heights, with millions following suit.

    • TraffickingInDivinity June 17, 2019 at 11:56 am #

      Diminishing returns indeed! No one knows how much longer this can continue – I remember my Dad saying that when we hit $1 trillion dollars of national debt that it was over then – but we should prepare for it now.

    • abbybwood June 17, 2019 at 8:47 pm #

      David Stockman lays it all out on the Iran/U.S. quagmire:

      informationclearinghouse.info/51775.htm

  2. benr June 17, 2019 at 10:11 am #

    Interesting that you decided to tackle this specific dragon since half the people who read and comment on your page right now are having hissy fits of impotent rage.
    Good write up I enjoyed seeing reality splattered all over the blog.
    Consider the DNC has been throwing crap hoping something will stick for over two years now.
    As this reality sets in and the DNC can’t avoid the fact they have been scream for Mr. Trumps head shrieking collusion to the sky how will they handle the fact Hillary colluded?
    My guess ignore it like all Democrat crimes nay all political crimes the only Republican’s I can remember actually going to jail was Duke Cunningham.
    I suggest to save our country corruption be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law starting with Hillary, Biden and his sons extensive ties to China and at least a look at Kamala Harris and her kickbacks from the teachers union a full blown scandal in the works.

    • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 10:21 am #

      The Democratic tribe refuses to engage in self-reflection of ant kind. They can’t acknowledge that capital has ruined the service to the American people they once offered. It is time to switch brands.

    • Ol' Scratch June 17, 2019 at 10:39 am #

      benr,

      Properly understood as a political side show with BOTH parties in on the take, all of many current affairs begin to come into sharp focus. This is all just political cover so that BAU – the foreclosing on anything and everything that’s left of the cratering American political economy – can proceed apace.

    • Nightowl June 17, 2019 at 11:24 am #

      We have nearly come full circle. And it is truly amazing how nearly everything they accuse Trump of they are guilty themselves.

      It applies to nearly every accusation. To think I used to roll my eyes when people would talk about Alinsky tactics ….

      • Ron Anselmo June 17, 2019 at 2:23 pm #

        Yeah, its called projection. Not real good poker players – hand on the table…

        • Nightowl June 18, 2019 at 7:24 am #

          Psychological projection is not conscious effort as far as I understand. The Alinsky tactics are, well, conscious efforts.

          The level of coordination among these muppets is astounding.

    • 450.org June 17, 2019 at 11:26 am #

      Consider the DNC has been throwing crap hoping something will stick for over two years now.

      That’s your truth but it’s not THEE TRUTH. The DNC doesn’t want anything to stick. They prefer Trump as the political foil he is for them. This is why Pelosi refuses to impeach. Trump is too politically convenient in office. Her yang to Trump’s yin is her political value and what will extend her political career until she takes her last breath.

      • benr June 17, 2019 at 11:48 am #

        She refuses to attempt to impeach him because she knows it won’t happen.
        If she thought she could get it through she would but the failure to make it happen would only energize anyone on the fence.

        My truth is the truth until something of actual offense is brought to light I tepidly support Trump because the other side is just plain crazy.
        Not liking someone is not grounds for impeachment if that was the case every President ever would have been impeached.
        Obama was universally loathed by the Republicans.
        The other side hated GWBush and we got to hear all sorts of terrible stuff about the man not unlike Trump.
        Poppa Bush at the time was attacked mercilessly and on his death all of a sudden everyone who hated him pretended he was the second coming of Jesus.
        Reagan was attacked non-stop as well.
        Slick Willy hated but he at least was smart enough to go along to get along.
        Ford ditto called dumb., clumsy played to much football with no helmet.
        Nixon loathed.
        Carter while a nice man he was setup to fail in the Iran hostage “crisis”. and terrible foreign policy some considered him the worst President ever well until Obama and Trump.
        You get the idea.

  3. lateStarter June 17, 2019 at 10:18 am #

    The last sentence of today’s post about sums it up for me with regard to the USA and any chance it may have to turn things around. Not going to happen. Expect more mayhem, vitriol, scapegoating. Perhaps even a hot war or 2 thrown in for good measure.

    I can’t see why anyone with the ability to turn things around would want to even bother wading into the cesspool (assuming such a person exists) at this time. The really clever ones are waiting for the dust to settle thinking some level of normalcy will still exist. I think they are in for a surprise. Unless they have warlord type abilities.

    • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 10:37 am #

      shoving foreign policy debate into sequestered game rooms that are at once halls-of-mirrors and echo chambers, and making the world a much more dangerous place.

      Elite rule is never about transparency. When your goal is to make the best deal for yourself and not consider of the needs or others or the bigger picture, in other words when your goal is to be a shit, it is best to hide what you do if there is little chance of getting caught. It is also best to wear a suit.

      I don’t advocate the above. I just point out it is what it is.

      • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 10:38 am #

        and not consider the needs or others

        • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 10:40 am #

          and not consider the needs of others

          I am not trying to do this. I am sorry.

          • lateStarter June 17, 2019 at 10:56 am #

            I would tend to agree that they don’t even bother to pretend that they are all lined up at the feeding trough now and don’t care about anyone but themselves and their families. They have a get out of jail card, so why bother to pretend to care. But, yes, it does help to wear a suit and nice hair gets you extra points.

        • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 11:23 am #

          The argument then usually take the form of; is it the same as it has always been or has a real change happened. I’ll go with a real change happened. The disgusting was not always popular. Virtue was not always so easily abstracted to a $.

          • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 11:28 am #

            That was @ lateStarter

  4. izzy June 17, 2019 at 10:21 am #

    The chief “thought” occupying this mind of late is how to get out of the way of what’s coming, especially if one cannot afford a billion-dollar bunker in Patagonia. This latest development with public confessions of cyberwar grid-hacking has turned the heat up past boil. We’re on a Ship of Fools now.

  5. Walter B June 17, 2019 at 10:21 am #

    Yes indeed Jim, anything goes and nothing really matters. America fast approaches total chaos as successive over indulged, coddled snowflakes, each being the center of their own universe, continue to invent their own individual truth. Total chaos is the goal which is seriously frightening to those of us that believe that this is all being engineered by a malevolent, evil force hell bent on taking US(A) all down with it. The only thing that is certain, at least to me, is that it is going to get worse before it gets better.

    • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 10:27 am #

      Don’t take this personally but one thing I read on the internet last week is still rolling around my noggin. Something to the effect of:

      If you are always complaining then you will be exactly where you are in life now in ten years.

      I don’t know if it is true or not and I don’t know if I even have ten years but it does give pause when reading things like, ‘coddled snowflakes, each being the center of their own universe.

      That may be true but we are all snow if you get my drift.

      • Walter B June 17, 2019 at 10:58 am #

        Perhaps I believe that I can man them up by calling them out for the pussies that they are. I have a lot of these discussions with the large number of 8 to 20 year old folks I work with. They see it exactly the same, that affluence has eroded the character, motivation and inclination of successive generations to do anything that looks like work. I have had one or two thirty somethings bitch to me “How come you get to retire and I can’t?” They seem to not be able to understand math at all, recognizing the difference between busting your butt for 50 years verses seven years of making keystrokes.

        Oh no Dog, I am not simply bitching and moaning, I do my best to communicate and enlighten those around me, and a lot of the young folk that I interact with, they seem to get it.

        • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 11:27 am #

          Then you don’t mind the opportunity to clarify.

          It is a matter of human nature so being clear is important. I agree with you. The idea of having to contribute to earn a share instead of just partaking of the copious bounty often seems to be a novel thought among the young.

          • Walter B June 17, 2019 at 11:43 am #

            They say that my father’s generation of Americans were the “Greatest Generation”, I disagree. My Grandfather’s generation was the greatest. They left their homes and their countries and sailed across the ocean to America where they struggled against prejudice and the social order. They built America into a modern power and then headed back over the ocean to fight their own relatives in a Not-So-Great War.

            My Father’s generation was raised in poverty during the Great Depression. The learned the old ways and then they too headed back to the homelands to fight the European and a Pacific War and established the finest manufacturing based country on Earth.

            My generation, the Boomers, were the first to have it easy, to have so much handed to us for so little effort. Some of us were fortunate to be raised by parents that still understood the value of hard work and developing marketable skills and talents. But far too many partied and caroused and were then handed inheritances from those hardworking parents.

            Generations since have had their lives grow far easier every day with the advent of technologies that took the hard out of hard work on far too great a scale. Easier and easier will one day become harder and harder because everything is cyclical. Let us hope that once it does, there are enough left standing that remember the wisdom of the olden days and can adapt and thrive once again. Hope springs eternal.

    • fugeguy June 17, 2019 at 10:27 am #

      Right on Walter.

      It is interesting to ponder if it is done by design by a group with evil intent or if we really are just azz fooking ourselves.

      Day-to-day I see either equally possible.

    • malthuss June 17, 2019 at 11:01 am #

      Chaos is from the Barbarian hordes, unwashed. Emma Lazarus told the people of Liberty to accept them.

  6. Paulo June 17, 2019 at 10:21 am #

    Sure, there are a zillion examples of shaky internet ‘truths’ out there, but the drum pounding example just had to be, (wait for it)…Mueller report, Clinton, Podesta, etc. Geez, you couldn’t even use, “gave Iran billions of our dollars” or “Seth Rich was ‘taken out’? Bilderbergs? Davos?

    As for Russia, Snowden lives there because he has nowhere else to go, and Steven Segal because he’s a fricking idiot right winger goof. Unless you’re an oligarch, Russians try to leave for the West. Ask Assange if he really committed ‘the crime’, a guy hiding from the ‘law’ that’s planning to toss him in jail? Yeah, like he’s going to admit to anything. That’s about as plum as asking the Trumpers if the campaign colluded with the Russians? (sputter sputter, of course not)!!!!

    Yes, the internet is a complex hell, meanwhile, it is reducing driving and terrible store front building/parking lots with online buying. It provides immediate research sources and provides an alternative to the education racket. Hell, when I had a problem doing my brakes I went to Youtube where a mechanic took me through it. Just the savings in online phone numbers has probably saved a forest the size of a large western state.

    I guess it’s all in your point of view. The problem arises when your POV is stuck on Mueller, Podesta, and Clinton.

    • hmuller June 17, 2019 at 10:37 am #

      Oh yes, the battle cry of the unrepentant, biased Democrat, “Don’t look here, look over there!”

      From your comments Paulo, I gather you are still convinced that Trump colluded with the Russians. It’s just unfortunate that a dozen Trump hating angry Democrats couldn’t prove anything after 2 years.and 40 million dollars. It just proves how slippery he is, right?

      How hard would anyone have to look to uncover Hillary & company’s crimes? Not very.

      • benr June 17, 2019 at 11:29 am #

        @hmuller
        They don’t have to look all they need to do is pick up where the last investigation left off and decide to convene a grand jury.
        There is already enough dirt on Hillary to hold a trial and find her guilty of obstruction, evidence tampering and sending classified documents to a non-government server not of the correct security classification.
        I doubt she would spend much time in jail as she is obviously very physically ill, mentally ill and spiritually sick.

        Don’t be to hard on Paulo we all suffer from my team is good syndrome. If we all step back human nature is at fault for all the bad in both parties. They are after all human and no one wants to admit they are doing bad things and worse the people we root for are human and flawed

        Our founding fathers warned of party first, money second, country and we the people after syndrome. They were intellectual giants in comparison many of whom were self taught.
        As we move forward as a country I’m starting to believe big business University brand brainwashing is super toxic and self study is the only way to the truth and proper education.

      • Majella June 17, 2019 at 8:53 pm #

        Hmuller

        You parrot Trump’s talking points absolutely verbatim! Congratulations, there’s a job for you as a talking head at Fox.

        Your statement “couldn’t prove a thing after 2 years & $40 million” is also not only absolutely untrue but demonstrates you haven’t bothered to read the Report or even a half-decent summary of it – AG Barr’s notwithstanding.

        If there’s all this dirt on Hillary, Obama, Podesta, Wassermann-Swartz, the DNC et al, by all means, pursue it, just as benr suggests.

        But don’t you Trump boosters kid yourself that he and his crime family are all sweetness & light.

        • hmuller June 17, 2019 at 11:01 pm #

          Majella, you parrot the knee-jerk hate of all sufferers of Trump Derangement Syndrome. I’d suggest professional help, but you’re enjoying it so much.

          • Majella June 18, 2019 at 7:32 pm #

            hmuller

            Your unwavering admiration for the Fuckwit-in-Chief is equally knee-jerk and certainly indicative of an inability to see clear, real facts.

            It may not seem like it now, but the time will surely come when you do, and you’ll wither up at the embarrassment & shame you’ll feel – or SHOULD feel, but I guess that’s as unlikely as your Hero & Savior experiencing any level of self-awareness.

          • hmuller June 18, 2019 at 11:31 pm #

            Darn Majella, you caught on to my dirty little secret. I am ignorant, non self-aware, have an inability to see clear, real facts, and react with unthinking knee-jerk reactions.

            I must be all these things and worse because I don’t see things your way.

            Actually, I don’t love Trump as much as I let on. I love principles such as draining the swamp, smashing corruption and the evil deep state. I want to see thousands dragged to jail in chains and hundreds executed for how they have ruined and betrayed this country.

            I’m not sure to what extent Trump will do these things. He keeps some bad company and has some horrible, Neo-con, globalist advisors. If he betrays his promises, I will turn against him.

          • Majella June 19, 2019 at 5:37 am #

            Yeah, well, those are precisely what you accuse me of, so call it a wash.

            I don’t actually believe you ARE so deluded, but until now all anyone has had to go on have been your extremely red Trumpista-sounding statements. Excuse me for taking you at face value!

            As to principles as you have enumerated them, we’re entirely aligned.

            I just didn’t believe the lying, cheating, self-aggrandising, fake ‘man-of-the-people’, narrisistic idiot who grabbed your hope and then shat all over it, would EVER deliver any of the ‘promises’ he used to garner less than 49% of the general vote.

            I’ve got no truck with Hillary either, by the way bur ANYTHING would be preferable to this outrageous fraud. She’s just as much a corporate shill as anyone else from the Establishment, where the color of your state doesn’t actually matter at all.

            Rational people want the same things – a fair shake, an equitable system of justice, a taxation system that delivers to the commonweal from which it is extracted, and a reasonable expectation that those in government work FOR you as opposed to just ‘working you’.

            That’s why, to my mind Sleepy Joe Biden (real clever, but given recent revelations, surely Sloppy Joe, or even Slobbery Joe would had a little more nuance?) is a non-starter. He doesn’t have a chance at the nomination (even with DNC collusion).

            I.d prefer a real person, preferably young, a veteran of a foreign police action with a progressive outlook, wanting so bring back ‘the good old days’ where there was an element of social caring and fairness.

            How about Tulsi Gabbard?

    • Nightowl June 17, 2019 at 11:28 am #

      As Mr. Podesta alluded to in his private mails, Seth Rich was killed in a hit. Once you have accepted the facts on SpyGate, RussiaGate, etc., you will have to cross this “wacky conspiracy” off of your list, too.

      Too bad, so sad.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 12:22 pm #

        Yes, if Trump had tried to really do anything, he would have not woken up with a pillow on his face. Podesta also seemed to refer to Scalia as well.

        • hmuller June 17, 2019 at 2:57 pm #

          I liked Scalia. But I still think there’s something not quite right about that lodge where he died, (if you know what I mean).

          • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 3:03 pm #

            Yeah, David Duke once took a vacation to Israel. As he neared his destination he began to realize it probably hadn’t been a smart thing to do. He was right….

            The Lodge is the Enemy of Mankind.

        • Nightowl June 18, 2019 at 7:26 am #

          Mr. Wet Works.

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  1. K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 10:08 am #

    I’d say diminishing returns and over investment in activities that yield diminishing returns is a symptom of collapse. It indicates limits are being reached.

    The capacity for self-delusion may be the final nail in civilizations coffin and the internet could be classed as giving diminishing returns because truth was easier in the day of immutable paper print. Electrons are far more here today gone and gone tomorrow and video unless it is done well makes the brain sleep.

    The answer in part, is transparency. I wrote about this yesterday. But the investment in deception is out of control.

    • Neon Vincent June 17, 2019 at 10:35 am #

      Hi, K-Dog! I enjoyed reading both “Brittle Transparency” and “Collapse Is With Us And It Is Here To Stay” at your blog just now. I’d like to tie the latter post into your observation about diminishing returns leading to collapse. In the entry about collapse, you wrote “Overpopulation has caused environmental degradation and resource depletion to a degree that will now prevent existing arrangements to continue.” Diminishing returns on having children is starting to slow down overpopulation, at least in developing countries, as U.S. birth and fertility rates continue falling and setting record lows. Americans, Europeans, and east Asians are doing their part to slow the rise of P in I=P*A*T! Of course, that isn’t happening without a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth, first on the part of economists who think that underpopulation will cause economies based on expanding populations to stagnate and shrink and second on the part of ordinary Americans would would like to have children and grandchildren but can’t afford to. Not everyone is a proponent of zero population growth like me and even I am thinking I should be careful what I wish for, I might not like how I get it.

      You also wrote “The most significant waste product of resource depletion, carbon dioxide begins reversal of the green revolution before supply chains disruption from depletion ends the energy and fossil fuel inputs on which modern agriculture depends.” The most purposeful plan to mitigate this and retool the economy that seems to have any mainstream political energy in the U.S. is the Green New Deal. I admit it’s nowhere near enough and has strong partisan opposition, but it is a good first step and better than allowing things to take their current course that seems to be the main alternative.

      • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 11:38 am #

        ‘Diminishing returns on having children is starting to slow down overpopulation, at least in developing countries, as U.S. birth and fertility rates continue falling and setting record lows. Americans, Europeans, and east Asians are doing their part to slow the rise of P in I=P*A*T!

        This is a dodge.

        As countries develop the environmental footprint of every person increases. On a global or national scale Efp (environmental footprint) is proportional to both P (population) and Na (national affluence) through a constant of proportionality k.

        Efp = k ( P * Na )

        The jury is out on if the Green New Deal is white bread hopium or real progress.

        Now integrate that puppy over the entire globe and you can measure the damage.

        A real equation Vincent. So you being a teacher can prove me wrong or go teach it. The bottom line is mother earth is getting real sick of bullshit and so is everyone else.

        • elysianfield June 17, 2019 at 12:26 pm #

          “The jury is out on if the Green New Deal is white bread hopium or real progress.”

          Dog,
          …No it ain’t.

          Anyone with a modicum of interest in human history understands that it requires the will to succeed, not a proposal.

          We all can offer proposals to solve the world’s problems…the will to sacrifice? Not so much.

          • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 2:08 pm #

            I agree. Like discussions about Geo Engineering. Who is going to fund initiatives which might or might not work and cost $100s of billions of dollars? I’ve noticed how big brains can wax poetic for hours about the technical potentials of their nerd fantasies but never once have I ever heard feasibility and the necessary political and budgetary commitments discussed. Not once ever. It is all a pipe dream. But as far as it goes it is smokin interesting shit.

            I guess we are just supposed to come together in a big group hug and it will all be good after they all finish with their TED talks.

      • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 12:16 pm #

        How will a Green New Deal furnish the fossil fuel inputs on which the Green Revolution still depends and for which there are no replacements? The only green in the GND I see so far is $$$$.

        GND Green New Deal or in electronics, ground potential. Zero potential, nada, none at all. No voltage. Generalities won’t work. Generalities are political bullshit.

    • 450.org June 17, 2019 at 11:21 am #

      If I’ve read it correctly, the point of the post is that the truth of the matter is, yes, Russia has colluded with American leaders to meddle in our politics, but everyone’s doing it including the Clintons, so therefore it’s all good.

      Seriously, it reads as a further indictment of Russia and reveals that Russia is burning both ends of the American political candle and all the wax in between.

      If the bottom line is, they’re ALL traitors, not just Trump, I agree. Now, what are Americans going to do about it? Will Americans do anything about it? Or will Americans continue to choose tribal truth over the really truthful truth?

      • Nightowl June 17, 2019 at 11:31 am #

        Where is the concrete evidence for Trump being a traitor? Working with the Russians to nefarious ends?

        I know I ask this often, but no one ever provides any. Perhaps you are different. Ready when you are.

        • lbs June 17, 2019 at 6:46 pm #

          The wokester class is all embarked on an endless low carbon ecotourism safari through the labyrinth of Rachel Maddow’s brain.

      • shotho June 17, 2019 at 11:37 am #

        What exactly do you suggest that Americans can do about “it”? Voting does not seem to be an option for “draining the swamp”. Armed insurrection, better known as civil war, could be tried, I suppose. But consider the nature of the American population in its degraded and bloated configuration. Not much left.
        Russia and China are increasingly moving together with India remaining on the sidelines for now. The Anglo-American dominance of the West is no longer tenable. It looks to me that, increasingly, the Russians have no need for an American candle.

      • gonetohell June 17, 2019 at 5:15 pm #

        To answer your question; Americans will continue to do nothing. Even assuming they are smart enough, they are far to complacent. Actually, so many are buried in just trying to survive that they have no time or energy to do anything.

        Much of the supposed intellect in this country, of which JHK purports membership, defend an ass clown president like D J Trump. What sort of hope does that give you? A man that not only doesn’t want a GND, he wants to roll back the flimsy environmental protections of previous administrations. A man that also wants to give carte blanche back to the banks that likely own him.

        JHK brings up Hillary in nearly every rambling, as though she has relevance in solving the problems currently facing America. Let go JHK, let’s worry about the fool occupying the Oval Office. Don’t rail about the subjectiveness of truth when your hero has taken the concept to new heights, with millions following suit.

    • TraffickingInDivinity June 17, 2019 at 11:56 am #

      Diminishing returns indeed! No one knows how much longer this can continue – I remember my Dad saying that when we hit $1 trillion dollars of national debt that it was over then – but we should prepare for it now.

    • abbybwood June 17, 2019 at 8:47 pm #

      David Stockman lays it all out on the Iran/U.S. quagmire:

      informationclearinghouse.info/51775.htm

  2. benr June 17, 2019 at 10:11 am #

    Interesting that you decided to tackle this specific dragon since half the people who read and comment on your page right now are having hissy fits of impotent rage.
    Good write up I enjoyed seeing reality splattered all over the blog.
    Consider the DNC has been throwing crap hoping something will stick for over two years now.
    As this reality sets in and the DNC can’t avoid the fact they have been scream for Mr. Trumps head shrieking collusion to the sky how will they handle the fact Hillary colluded?
    My guess ignore it like all Democrat crimes nay all political crimes the only Republican’s I can remember actually going to jail was Duke Cunningham.
    I suggest to save our country corruption be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law starting with Hillary, Biden and his sons extensive ties to China and at least a look at Kamala Harris and her kickbacks from the teachers union a full blown scandal in the works.

    • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 10:21 am #

      The Democratic tribe refuses to engage in self-reflection of ant kind. They can’t acknowledge that capital has ruined the service to the American people they once offered. It is time to switch brands.

    • Ol' Scratch June 17, 2019 at 10:39 am #

      benr,

      Properly understood as a political side show with BOTH parties in on the take, all of many current affairs begin to come into sharp focus. This is all just political cover so that BAU – the foreclosing on anything and everything that’s left of the cratering American political economy – can proceed apace.

    • Nightowl June 17, 2019 at 11:24 am #

      We have nearly come full circle. And it is truly amazing how nearly everything they accuse Trump of they are guilty themselves.

      It applies to nearly every accusation. To think I used to roll my eyes when people would talk about Alinsky tactics ….

      • Ron Anselmo June 17, 2019 at 2:23 pm #

        Yeah, its called projection. Not real good poker players – hand on the table…

        • Nightowl June 18, 2019 at 7:24 am #

          Psychological projection is not conscious effort as far as I understand. The Alinsky tactics are, well, conscious efforts.

          The level of coordination among these muppets is astounding.

    • 450.org June 17, 2019 at 11:26 am #

      Consider the DNC has been throwing crap hoping something will stick for over two years now.

      That’s your truth but it’s not THEE TRUTH. The DNC doesn’t want anything to stick. They prefer Trump as the political foil he is for them. This is why Pelosi refuses to impeach. Trump is too politically convenient in office. Her yang to Trump’s yin is her political value and what will extend her political career until she takes her last breath.

      • benr June 17, 2019 at 11:48 am #

        She refuses to attempt to impeach him because she knows it won’t happen.
        If she thought she could get it through she would but the failure to make it happen would only energize anyone on the fence.

        My truth is the truth until something of actual offense is brought to light I tepidly support Trump because the other side is just plain crazy.
        Not liking someone is not grounds for impeachment if that was the case every President ever would have been impeached.
        Obama was universally loathed by the Republicans.
        The other side hated GWBush and we got to hear all sorts of terrible stuff about the man not unlike Trump.
        Poppa Bush at the time was attacked mercilessly and on his death all of a sudden everyone who hated him pretended he was the second coming of Jesus.
        Reagan was attacked non-stop as well.
        Slick Willy hated but he at least was smart enough to go along to get along.
        Ford ditto called dumb., clumsy played to much football with no helmet.
        Nixon loathed.
        Carter while a nice man he was setup to fail in the Iran hostage “crisis”. and terrible foreign policy some considered him the worst President ever well until Obama and Trump.
        You get the idea.

  3. lateStarter June 17, 2019 at 10:18 am #

    The last sentence of today’s post about sums it up for me with regard to the USA and any chance it may have to turn things around. Not going to happen. Expect more mayhem, vitriol, scapegoating. Perhaps even a hot war or 2 thrown in for good measure.

    I can’t see why anyone with the ability to turn things around would want to even bother wading into the cesspool (assuming such a person exists) at this time. The really clever ones are waiting for the dust to settle thinking some level of normalcy will still exist. I think they are in for a surprise. Unless they have warlord type abilities.

    • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 10:37 am #

      shoving foreign policy debate into sequestered game rooms that are at once halls-of-mirrors and echo chambers, and making the world a much more dangerous place.

      Elite rule is never about transparency. When your goal is to make the best deal for yourself and not consider of the needs or others or the bigger picture, in other words when your goal is to be a shit, it is best to hide what you do if there is little chance of getting caught. It is also best to wear a suit.

      I don’t advocate the above. I just point out it is what it is.

      • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 10:38 am #

        and not consider the needs or others

        • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 10:40 am #

          and not consider the needs of others

          I am not trying to do this. I am sorry.

          • lateStarter June 17, 2019 at 10:56 am #

            I would tend to agree that they don’t even bother to pretend that they are all lined up at the feeding trough now and don’t care about anyone but themselves and their families. They have a get out of jail card, so why bother to pretend to care. But, yes, it does help to wear a suit and nice hair gets you extra points.

        • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 11:23 am #

          The argument then usually take the form of; is it the same as it has always been or has a real change happened. I’ll go with a real change happened. The disgusting was not always popular. Virtue was not always so easily abstracted to a $.

          • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 11:28 am #

            That was @ lateStarter

  4. izzy June 17, 2019 at 10:21 am #

    The chief “thought” occupying this mind of late is how to get out of the way of what’s coming, especially if one cannot afford a billion-dollar bunker in Patagonia. This latest development with public confessions of cyberwar grid-hacking has turned the heat up past boil. We’re on a Ship of Fools now.

  5. Walter B June 17, 2019 at 10:21 am #

    Yes indeed Jim, anything goes and nothing really matters. America fast approaches total chaos as successive over indulged, coddled snowflakes, each being the center of their own universe, continue to invent their own individual truth. Total chaos is the goal which is seriously frightening to those of us that believe that this is all being engineered by a malevolent, evil force hell bent on taking US(A) all down with it. The only thing that is certain, at least to me, is that it is going to get worse before it gets better.

    • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 10:27 am #

      Don’t take this personally but one thing I read on the internet last week is still rolling around my noggin. Something to the effect of:

      If you are always complaining then you will be exactly where you are in life now in ten years.

      I don’t know if it is true or not and I don’t know if I even have ten years but it does give pause when reading things like, ‘coddled snowflakes, each being the center of their own universe.

      That may be true but we are all snow if you get my drift.

      • Walter B June 17, 2019 at 10:58 am #

        Perhaps I believe that I can man them up by calling them out for the pussies that they are. I have a lot of these discussions with the large number of 8 to 20 year old folks I work with. They see it exactly the same, that affluence has eroded the character, motivation and inclination of successive generations to do anything that looks like work. I have had one or two thirty somethings bitch to me “How come you get to retire and I can’t?” They seem to not be able to understand math at all, recognizing the difference between busting your butt for 50 years verses seven years of making keystrokes.

        Oh no Dog, I am not simply bitching and moaning, I do my best to communicate and enlighten those around me, and a lot of the young folk that I interact with, they seem to get it.

        • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 11:27 am #

          Then you don’t mind the opportunity to clarify.

          It is a matter of human nature so being clear is important. I agree with you. The idea of having to contribute to earn a share instead of just partaking of the copious bounty often seems to be a novel thought among the young.

          • Walter B June 17, 2019 at 11:43 am #

            They say that my father’s generation of Americans were the “Greatest Generation”, I disagree. My Grandfather’s generation was the greatest. They left their homes and their countries and sailed across the ocean to America where they struggled against prejudice and the social order. They built America into a modern power and then headed back over the ocean to fight their own relatives in a Not-So-Great War.

            My Father’s generation was raised in poverty during the Great Depression. The learned the old ways and then they too headed back to the homelands to fight the European and a Pacific War and established the finest manufacturing based country on Earth.

            My generation, the Boomers, were the first to have it easy, to have so much handed to us for so little effort. Some of us were fortunate to be raised by parents that still understood the value of hard work and developing marketable skills and talents. But far too many partied and caroused and were then handed inheritances from those hardworking parents.

            Generations since have had their lives grow far easier every day with the advent of technologies that took the hard out of hard work on far too great a scale. Easier and easier will one day become harder and harder because everything is cyclical. Let us hope that once it does, there are enough left standing that remember the wisdom of the olden days and can adapt and thrive once again. Hope springs eternal.

    • fugeguy June 17, 2019 at 10:27 am #

      Right on Walter.

      It is interesting to ponder if it is done by design by a group with evil intent or if we really are just azz fooking ourselves.

      Day-to-day I see either equally possible.

    • malthuss June 17, 2019 at 11:01 am #

      Chaos is from the Barbarian hordes, unwashed. Emma Lazarus told the people of Liberty to accept them.

  6. Paulo June 17, 2019 at 10:21 am #

    Sure, there are a zillion examples of shaky internet ‘truths’ out there, but the drum pounding example just had to be, (wait for it)…Mueller report, Clinton, Podesta, etc. Geez, you couldn’t even use, “gave Iran billions of our dollars” or “Seth Rich was ‘taken out’? Bilderbergs? Davos?

    As for Russia, Snowden lives there because he has nowhere else to go, and Steven Segal because he’s a fricking idiot right winger goof. Unless you’re an oligarch, Russians try to leave for the West. Ask Assange if he really committed ‘the crime’, a guy hiding from the ‘law’ that’s planning to toss him in jail? Yeah, like he’s going to admit to anything. That’s about as plum as asking the Trumpers if the campaign colluded with the Russians? (sputter sputter, of course not)!!!!

    Yes, the internet is a complex hell, meanwhile, it is reducing driving and terrible store front building/parking lots with online buying. It provides immediate research sources and provides an alternative to the education racket. Hell, when I had a problem doing my brakes I went to Youtube where a mechanic took me through it. Just the savings in online phone numbers has probably saved a forest the size of a large western state.

    I guess it’s all in your point of view. The problem arises when your POV is stuck on Mueller, Podesta, and Clinton.

    • hmuller June 17, 2019 at 10:37 am #

      Oh yes, the battle cry of the unrepentant, biased Democrat, “Don’t look here, look over there!”

      From your comments Paulo, I gather you are still convinced that Trump colluded with the Russians. It’s just unfortunate that a dozen Trump hating angry Democrats couldn’t prove anything after 2 years.and 40 million dollars. It just proves how slippery he is, right?

      How hard would anyone have to look to uncover Hillary & company’s crimes? Not very.

      • benr June 17, 2019 at 11:29 am #

        @hmuller
        They don’t have to look all they need to do is pick up where the last investigation left off and decide to convene a grand jury.
        There is already enough dirt on Hillary to hold a trial and find her guilty of obstruction, evidence tampering and sending classified documents to a non-government server not of the correct security classification.
        I doubt she would spend much time in jail as she is obviously very physically ill, mentally ill and spiritually sick.

        Don’t be to hard on Paulo we all suffer from my team is good syndrome. If we all step back human nature is at fault for all the bad in both parties. They are after all human and no one wants to admit they are doing bad things and worse the people we root for are human and flawed

        Our founding fathers warned of party first, money second, country and we the people after syndrome. They were intellectual giants in comparison many of whom were self taught.
        As we move forward as a country I’m starting to believe big business University brand brainwashing is super toxic and self study is the only way to the truth and proper education.

      • Majella June 17, 2019 at 8:53 pm #

        Hmuller

        You parrot Trump’s talking points absolutely verbatim! Congratulations, there’s a job for you as a talking head at Fox.

        Your statement “couldn’t prove a thing after 2 years & $40 million” is also not only absolutely untrue but demonstrates you haven’t bothered to read the Report or even a half-decent summary of it – AG Barr’s notwithstanding.

        If there’s all this dirt on Hillary, Obama, Podesta, Wassermann-Swartz, the DNC et al, by all means, pursue it, just as benr suggests.

        But don’t you Trump boosters kid yourself that he and his crime family are all sweetness & light.

        • hmuller June 17, 2019 at 11:01 pm #

          Majella, you parrot the knee-jerk hate of all sufferers of Trump Derangement Syndrome. I’d suggest professional help, but you’re enjoying it so much.

          • Majella June 18, 2019 at 7:32 pm #

            hmuller

            Your unwavering admiration for the Fuckwit-in-Chief is equally knee-jerk and certainly indicative of an inability to see clear, real facts.

            It may not seem like it now, but the time will surely come when you do, and you’ll wither up at the embarrassment & shame you’ll feel – or SHOULD feel, but I guess that’s as unlikely as your Hero & Savior experiencing any level of self-awareness.

          • hmuller June 18, 2019 at 11:31 pm #

            Darn Majella, you caught on to my dirty little secret. I am ignorant, non self-aware, have an inability to see clear, real facts, and react with unthinking knee-jerk reactions.

            I must be all these things and worse because I don’t see things your way.

            Actually, I don’t love Trump as much as I let on. I love principles such as draining the swamp, smashing corruption and the evil deep state. I want to see thousands dragged to jail in chains and hundreds executed for how they have ruined and betrayed this country.

            I’m not sure to what extent Trump will do these things. He keeps some bad company and has some horrible, Neo-con, globalist advisors. If he betrays his promises, I will turn against him.

          • Majella June 19, 2019 at 5:37 am #

            Yeah, well, those are precisely what you accuse me of, so call it a wash.

            I don’t actually believe you ARE so deluded, but until now all anyone has had to go on have been your extremely red Trumpista-sounding statements. Excuse me for taking you at face value!

            As to principles as you have enumerated them, we’re entirely aligned.

            I just didn’t believe the lying, cheating, self-aggrandising, fake ‘man-of-the-people’, narrisistic idiot who grabbed your hope and then shat all over it, would EVER deliver any of the ‘promises’ he used to garner less than 49% of the general vote.

            I’ve got no truck with Hillary either, by the way bur ANYTHING would be preferable to this outrageous fraud. She’s just as much a corporate shill as anyone else from the Establishment, where the color of your state doesn’t actually matter at all.

            Rational people want the same things – a fair shake, an equitable system of justice, a taxation system that delivers to the commonweal from which it is extracted, and a reasonable expectation that those in government work FOR you as opposed to just ‘working you’.

            That’s why, to my mind Sleepy Joe Biden (real clever, but given recent revelations, surely Sloppy Joe, or even Slobbery Joe would had a little more nuance?) is a non-starter. He doesn’t have a chance at the nomination (even with DNC collusion).

            I.d prefer a real person, preferably young, a veteran of a foreign police action with a progressive outlook, wanting so bring back ‘the good old days’ where there was an element of social caring and fairness.

            How about Tulsi Gabbard?

    • Nightowl June 17, 2019 at 11:28 am #

      As Mr. Podesta alluded to in his private mails, Seth Rich was killed in a hit. Once you have accepted the facts on SpyGate, RussiaGate, etc., you will have to cross this “wacky conspiracy” off of your list, too.

      Too bad, so sad.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 12:22 pm #

        Yes, if Trump had tried to really do anything, he would have not woken up with a pillow on his face. Podesta also seemed to refer to Scalia as well.

        • hmuller June 17, 2019 at 2:57 pm #

          I liked Scalia. But I still think there’s something not quite right about that lodge where he died, (if you know what I mean).

          • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 3:03 pm #

            Yeah, David Duke once took a vacation to Israel. As he neared his destination he began to realize it probably hadn’t been a smart thing to do. He was right….

            The Lodge is the Enemy of Mankind.

        • Nightowl June 18, 2019 at 7:26 am #

          Mr. Wet Works.

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