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The Golden Golem of Greatness shifted into mad bull overdrive for last night’s Minneapolis fan rally, cussing and bellowing at the picadors of the Left who have been sticking lances in his neck for three years. Decorum is not Mr. Trump’s strong suit, but then the bull is not sent into the ring to negotiate politely for his life. The narrative of the bullring is certain death. The bull must do what he can within his nature to dispute it.

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513 Responses to “In Memoriam: Reality”

  1. sanspeur October 11, 2019 at 10:16 am #

    This ain’t no party, this ain’t no disco,
    This ain’t no fooling around
    No time for dancing, or lovey dovey,
    I ain’t got time for that now

    Life during wartime, talking heads. kind of prescient song IMHO.

    • malthuss October 11, 2019 at 10:18 am #

      This aint no Mudd Club [when CBGBs became too crowded, the MC became the place to go].

    • K-Dog October 11, 2019 at 10:19 am #

      No fooling around,

      We are drinking beer at noon on Tuesday
      In a bar that faces a giant car wash
      The good people of the world are washing their cars
      On their lunch break, hosing and scrubbing
      As best they can in skirts in suits

      Not for long.

    • cc rider October 11, 2019 at 10:20 am #

      Ha! I was just about to quote those lyrics myself. Another Talking Heads song that will probably be germane in the coming days, weeks, and months as it all falls apart is ‘Psycho Killer’.

      I do think we are witnessing the unraveling of the US Government and system. Even just three months from now I shudder to think what we’ll be witnessing, and experiencing.

      I agree that there’s a pretty good chance that there will be no 2020 election.

    • ellipsis October 11, 2019 at 10:23 am #

      You beat me to it! Great post script.

    • davis leitz October 11, 2019 at 11:22 am #

      Good one! I also had in mind lyrics from a David Byrne song, “Dirty Old Town”…

      ‘Well, there are sixteen people in Danny’s apartment
      Sixteen people are living in there
      Remember the days of rent control
      Grandpa remembers rock and roll


      Now when the ladies come from Kansas
      They wear their traditional colors
      Today the fabrics are ragged and torn
      The clothes on their backs is all that they own
      They say, don’t draw attention to yourself
      They’ll tear you apart for a couple of bucks
      Keep you head down and keep you nose clean
      ’cause people who’re scared do dangerous things”

      These days can’t last forever
      These days can’t last for long
      You know someday things’ll get better
      Somehow things’ll get done
      In this world of possibilities, it’s the land of opportunities…’

      Seems like David predicts a “World Made by Hand.”

      • DarkMatter October 12, 2019 at 5:45 pm #

        Our sardine fishermen work at night in the dark
        of the moon; daylight or moonlight
        They could not tell where to spread the net,
        unable to see the phosphorescence of the
        shoals of fish.
        They work northward from Monterey, coasting
        Santa Cruz; off New Year’s Point or off
        Pigeon Point
        The look-out man will see some lakes of milk-color
        light on the sea’s night-purple; he points,
        and the helmsman
        Turns the dark prow, the motorboat circles the
        gleaming shoal and drifts out her seine-net.
        They close the circle
        And purse the bottom of the net, then with great
        labor haul it in.

        I cannot tell you
        How beautiful the scene is, and a little terrible,
        then, when the crowded fish
        Know they are caught, and wildly beat from one wall
        to the other of their closing destiny the
        Water to a pool of flame, each beautiful slender body
        sheeted with flame, like a live rocket
        A comet’s tail wake of clear yellow flame; while outside
        the narrowing
        Floats and cordage of the net great sea-lions come up
        to watch, sighing in the dark; the vast walls
        of night
        Stand erect to the stars.

        Lately I was looking from a night mountain-top
        On a wide city, the colored splendor, galaxies of light:
        how could I help but recall the seine-net
        Gathering the luminous fish? I cannot tell you how
        beautiful the city appeared, and a little terrible.
        I thought, We have geared the machines and locked all together
        into inter-dependence; we have built the great cities; now
        There is no escape. We have gathered vast populations incapable
        of free survival, insulated
        From the strong earth, each person in himself helpless, on all
        dependent. The circle is closed, and the net
        Is being hauled in. They hardly feel the cords drawing, yet
        they shine already. The inevitable mass-disasters
        Will not come in our time nor in our children’s, but we
        and our children
        Must watch the net draw narrower, government take all
        powers–or revolution, and the new government
        Take more than all, add to kept bodies kept souls–or anarchy,
        the mass-disasters.
        These things are Progress;
        Do you marvel our verse is troubled or frowning, while it keeps
        its reason? Or it lets go, lets the mood flow
        In the manner of the recent young men into mere hysteria,
        splintered gleams, crackled laughter. But they are
        quite wrong.
        There is no reason for amazement: surely one always knew
        that cultures decay, and life’s end is death.

        –Robinson Jeffers

  2. malthuss October 11, 2019 at 10:17 am #

    Real estate over priced?
    Forever 21 closes stores?
    Banks need ‘liquidity’


  3. PeteAtomic October 11, 2019 at 10:22 am #

    “In a place like Minneapolis of an October evening, you can go see the Joker movie or take in the President’s rally — and come away with the same sense of hyper-unreality.”

    Yeah. Unfortunately, the Trump rally even more so– with one of the messages being of ‘growth forever’ underlying his reelection bid. That’s about as likely as a human colony on Mars anytime soon.

    Think the ‘other side’ is gonna save ya? What, the costume-wearing, deranged, and feral acting anti-Trump people who were outside the rally last night?

    There is a shortage of a few million mental health beds in the country to accommodate the number of politically inspired homicidal ideation out there.

    • TiredOfTheTreadmill October 11, 2019 at 10:46 am #

      Boy, are we on the same page. Trump’s inability to see anything resembling reality beyond a stage set or a rally of his cultists is one main reason I have been so against the guy and his crazed followers.

      I mistakenly used to believe the other side at least had a clue, or might listen to reason about the insanity of endless growth, environmental degradation, etc…, but all they care about now is sticking it to the white man. So, I came to the conclusion that we are doomed as a society and respond accordingly these days. My only hope is that we go down quickly enough that we don’t destroy what’s left of the viable ecosystems on the Earth and that we don’t just nuke everything like a whiny teenager.

      • malthuss October 11, 2019 at 1:45 pm #

        we go down quickly –all 7 billion of us?

      • Nightowl October 11, 2019 at 6:11 pm #

        You are only a step away from joining the Purple Revolution.

  4. shotho October 11, 2019 at 10:23 am #

    Charles Hugh Smith said many years ago that 2016 might be the last “normal” election cycle in this phase of US history.

    • JohnAZ October 11, 2019 at 10:43 am #

      Being led by the failure of the American checks and balance system to handle the crisis situations that are presenting them selves. I feel like a beach goer watching the advance of a tsunami with no where to run.

      • Sam Stone October 11, 2019 at 3:58 pm #

        @JAZ Good analogy. There really is no place to hide from all this crap. People are pouring out of the East Coast and rust belt cities in droves looking to escape the idiocy that prevails there.

        As you well know Colorado has been destroyed by this multitude of progs like a wheat field falls to a horde of locusts.

        • CancelMyCard October 12, 2019 at 7:41 pm #

          Nailed it.


    • Exscotticus October 11, 2019 at 6:35 pm #

      As bad as 2016 was for about half of America, the “chad” incident was far worse. SCOTUS basically decided the election. Not criticizing it or the decision; merely pointing out that SCOTUS is the Decider of Last Resort—like the circuit breaker tripping before the house burns down. If Dems hadn’t accepted the verdict, we wouldn’t be here.

      • Nightowl October 12, 2019 at 3:21 am #

        Good post.

      • PeteAtomic October 13, 2019 at 10:16 am #

        yep that’s true

  5. Walter B October 11, 2019 at 10:25 am #

    You are right once again James, it is all unreality on every side and in every area of human un-expertise. The vast majority will continue to embrace limitless debt as THE way of life. I see it in all venues in which I operate. In a recently begun community policing class I have signed up for, the civilians and cops alike ooh and ahh over all of the cool (expensive) gear and applaud the issuance of Narcan as a life saver as they clamor for more and more spending to get more and more “stuff”. Surely we have learned nothing from the Viet Cong. Why none of them can understand that it all comes out of their property taxes taxes which are rising meteorically, defies understanding, but I suppose that as long as they can continue to make the minimum monthly payments all remains well.

    In the end, we humans are still a herding animal. Those closer to the center of the herd take little notice of the carnage going on around the periphery, as the predators pick off the losers that fail to make their payments. Oh well, the New Yorker’s that move in to take their place will gladly pay higher taxes for after all it is a bargain for them, right?

    Sooner or later the municipalities will go belly up and the states will run out of investors that are willing to risk lending them cash and then it will get seriously interesting. In the meanwhile the bull will do what he can to squash the piles of bullshit around him but sooner or later the shit will be piled so high that it will be all that is visible from the turnpike.

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    • JohnAZ October 11, 2019 at 10:53 am #

      The debt, represented by pension obligations at the state and local levels have already bankrupted the politicos from really doing anything to benefit their folks. California and Illinois are prime examples. It will get worse and the timing set by the rate of retirement of the Boomers first, then the GenXers. Out national debt is hugely the result of political promises of a wonderful nirvana of retirements that are not going to happen.

      • RB October 11, 2019 at 11:21 am #

        Spot on JAZ. Taxpayers are going to get hammered by local and state governments vis-a-vis brutal property taxes to pay for pensions. The courts will order it so. The pension disease will spread big time.
        Meanwhile, I stock up on “stuff”. I’ve noted empty shelves on some products not to mention prices shooting upwards. Cheers.

        • Walter B October 11, 2019 at 11:37 am #

          Here in New Jersey, individual home ownership will become a thing of the past, at least for the majority. Look at any old railroad town where the stately old homes are all now lawyer’s, doctor’s, and dentist offices and of course day care centers. There is a huge push now to build multi-family housing like townhouses and condos under the guise of “affordable housing” where taxpayers can be stacked high and the taxation spread out in larger amounts and somewhat more manageable doses. Bury the taxes in the “rent” and the masses will no longer see it. Much of this will be a result of our status as a “sanctuary state”, but as businesses move out the burden falls onto the people and they have no defense. Shut up and pay is our new state motto.

          • Robert White October 11, 2019 at 1:38 pm #

            America is a corporation that requires National Revenue in the form of taxation per capita in order to maintain budgetary requirements to keep federal government employees & government infrastructure afloat on minimum payments of the national interest & debt accruing to each and every American alive, or dead if they have any cash collecting dust.

            With a national debt of $22 trillion + I, for one, would hazard to suggest that America is indeed bankrupt Chapter 11 insolvent.

            Like E. Flynn said…’bankruptcy happens slowly at first and then all of a sudden.’

            The beauty in the American Late Stage Ponzi Casino Capitalism phase is that not only do asset prices always go up forever just like housing prices do but if they run out of debt ceiling they just ask Congress to increase the debt some more.

            I wish I had a Ponzi like the Americans do.


          • Walter B October 11, 2019 at 5:43 pm #

            As long as they can print money without backing and everybody accepts it for trade then all will go on uninterrupted. However, once any party that has stuff that we need and want to buy with US dollars and the other party refuses to accept them, then we get TSHTF moment.

            Some may say that this will or could never happen but that is simply not true. Once a trading partner has set themselves up to PROFIT from no longer taking US dollars more than they would profit from accepting them, why then they will change the rules and we shall be screwed. And it WILL happen because the world is a big Monopoly game and there are other major players that want to win. In order to do that we must be driven out of the game, because in the end there can be only one.


        • BackRowHeckler October 11, 2019 at 11:41 am #

          That’s happening now in Ct. A new new array of taxes was laid on us by the Dem controlled govt this year to meet state employee pension demands (I have a neighbor, a retiree from the State U system who draws $320,000 per year) All the top state retirees are politically connected, they take care of each other. The result is in the in the past month or so, in this area alone, two independent grocery stores and 4 established restaurants have closed their doors, and there is no end in sight. Another result is middle class people are leaving the state, and illegals are showing up in our cities to leverage sanctuary city laws.


          • malthuss October 11, 2019 at 1:44 pm #

            $320,000 per year!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • BackRowHeckler October 11, 2019 at 1:56 pm #

            Ya $320,000 which is top tier. That includes the value of their gold plated medical insurance.


          • Exscotticus October 11, 2019 at 6:41 pm #

            Will your neighbor stick around when Dems demand most of it to redistribute to illegals? Or will he flee to Trump Country, elect Dems, and then demand wealth redistribution just like he had in CT?

          • Robert White October 11, 2019 at 7:05 pm #

            Municipal & state tax laws will drive mobility out of high tax areas and the remaining taxpayers will become tax poor via regressive taxation laws that actually force exodus & flight from taxation.

            The USA has not rebuilt their infrastructure since the 50s & 60s. A massive spend New Deal is needed for all North American infrastructure.

            With the national debt & Fed balance sheet conundrums facing Congress & POTUS it looks as though some sort of spending programmes will have to manifest just to keep populations in line and not panicking for growth that no longer exists for the heartland of the USA, or mainstreet USA.

            Silicon Valley cannot employ everyone.


      • TiredOfTheTreadmill October 11, 2019 at 11:33 am #

        Having formerly lived in a state capital, and now living around military bases, I can assure you that most everyone who lives in such places is completely and totally addicted to the redistributed wealth of current and retired government workers. I’d say it’s even worse near the military bases, with their largess of federal DoD dollars just seeking a politically connected black hole, than it was in the state capital. I won’t even go into the military wives and their keen ability to ferret out every honey pot of money in every program on offer. Add in all of the propagandized worship of the military “heroes’ and it’s all just a big joke anymore.

        Still, the politicians from these areas know that they never can vote to turn off the pipeline of money to such places. So, it’s all part of the “it’ll go on until something breaks” paradigm that the whole system is running on these days.

        • volodya October 11, 2019 at 12:48 pm #

          When they had the draft, the military was mocked. Remember
          Gomer Pyle, McHales Navy etc?


          • uslabor October 11, 2019 at 1:03 pm #

            Volodya, I think McHale’s Navy, and certainly Gomer Pyle were Military/Holliwood public relation attempts to put a comedic spin on the military when the news was very bad. When I was growing up in the 60’s, as a child who saw a lot of the war on TV news, I couldn’t wrap my head around the violent images of the war with the silliness of Gomer’s lovable stupidity.

          • TiredOfTheTreadmill October 11, 2019 at 1:51 pm #

            We also were in the Vietnam war and many Americans didn’t know how to process that. If people weren’t drafted to go fight in that sketchy war things may have been different. Since then the full out marketing and PR campaigns of the DoD mafia have been running full blast. I don’t know, maybe that’s good for some people in this country who need to find meaning beyond just being a good consumer. So they thrive on the patriotism I guess.

        • uslabor October 11, 2019 at 12:53 pm #

          Tired, I totally agree with you. My once lovely town of Colorado Springs is military retiree’s wet dream. My ex-wife works at one of the local entertainment centers here in the Springs and the Army “Hawgs”, what we called military wives and dependants during my brief enlistment in the USMC, sometimes get pretty upset if there isn’t a military discount offered. I admit, I use the local VA for some some medical issues, I have no other insurance. To sit there and hear the retiree’s express anger at non-military people “out there” expecting entitlements and “handouts” while they are eating from one of the the biggest troughs in the US is quite a thing.

          • TiredOfTheTreadmill October 11, 2019 at 1:31 pm #

            I am in the Springs too. The endless military discounts and military worship here is frightening. You are right too, this place is loaded with military retirees working in the “private” sector for companies that have never made a dime outside of a government contract. Or, they take a job here while also pulling a pension, driving down wages and opportunities for everyone else. Then they bitch about immigrants doing the same thing.

            As a veteran there’s no shame in using the VA. That’s the least the government can offer for grinding down their soldiers to keep corporate profits flowing. However, many of the programs are just more entitlements.

          • JohnAZ October 11, 2019 at 9:36 pm #

            Lived in Colorado Springs from 1978 to 1991.

            It was exactly the same then. Lived in Denver 1996 to 2004. Had enough of the lousy weather and Liberal BS, yes it was starting even then, and moved to Arizona.

  6. ellipsis October 11, 2019 at 10:25 am #

    Great post today Jim! You’ve really nailed the current zeitgeist. Normality is just so 20th century these days.

  7. robert magill October 11, 2019 at 10:28 am #

    One hundred twenty years of Engineered Consent having morphed into Manufactured Consent has left us all not ‘speechless’ as you might expect; but rather ‘thoughtless’. Oh My!

    • messianicdruid October 11, 2019 at 1:27 pm #

      I usually question the use of the word “all” but in this case it is no overstatement.

  8. JustSaying October 11, 2019 at 10:29 am #

    How about Bad Moon Rising:

    Hope you got your things together.
    Hope you are quite prepared to die.
    Looks like we’re in for nasty weather.
    One eye is taken for an eye.

    Don’t go around tonight,
    Well, it’s bound to take your life,
    There’s a bad moon on the rise.

    • hmuller October 11, 2019 at 11:02 am #

      Believe it or not, for years I’ve misheard one of the song’s lines to say:

      “Looks like we’re in for Nashville weather.”

      And I’ve always wondered: is Nashville weather really that bad?

      • San Jose October 11, 2019 at 3:03 pm #

        And for years I misheard:

        “There’s a bathroom on the right.”

        • Sam Stone October 11, 2019 at 3:46 pm #

          How about the infamous misheard line from Hendrix’s “Purple Haze,” “excuse me while I kiss this guy.” (kiss the sky)

        • hmuller October 11, 2019 at 4:11 pm #

          And who can forget the Cher classic?

          “Gypsies, tramps, and thieves,
          We’d hear it from the people of the town,
          They’d call us gypsies, tramps, and thieves,
          But every night all the men would come around,
          And lay their monkey down.”

    • Nightowl October 11, 2019 at 6:13 pm #


  9. Jeremy October 11, 2019 at 10:30 am #

    Does this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYKhO2N1nCo&t=172m36s

    remind anybody of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxM03dVXIng&t=4m38s

    • benr October 11, 2019 at 10:59 am #

      No not at all.

    • snarkmatic9000 October 11, 2019 at 11:53 am #

      Absolutely, to anyone not manipulated by 3 yrs of constant lies.
      Goebbels would be proud.

      • snarkmatic9000 October 11, 2019 at 12:04 pm #

        Goebbel’s “grose luge”:

        “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it people will come to believe it”.

        This is the modus operandi of Trump, and it works, the proof is the video.

        • Nightowl October 11, 2019 at 5:26 pm #

          Die “grosse Lüge” is the fairytale of Russian Collusion and the idea that Trump is a racistsexistbigothomophobe.

          Should you disagree, kindly provide concrete evidence for your claim.

          Und weil ich nicht unhöflich sein möchte, vielen Dank im Voraus.

        • Majella October 12, 2019 at 2:15 am #

          The proof – also in benr’s short and spontaneous ejaculation.

          • Majella October 12, 2019 at 2:21 am #


          • Majella October 12, 2019 at 2:26 am #

            Senate Repubs finally agree that Russia meddled in 2016 election’

          • Nightowl October 12, 2019 at 3:24 am #

            When does Chunk Yoghurt show the proof?

          • benr October 12, 2019 at 11:32 am #


            My goodness your eyes must be brown because you are full of you know what.

            Over and over we hear lies about Trump Russia gate being one of them and what was proven?
            Everything Democrats accuse others of they are engaged in themselves!
            That is after all what the hysteria really is all about how dare he engage in what we do or worse out the con to everyone!
            Traitor to the DNC Trump is outing the con for the world to see and all but the most brain dead brain washed cult of denial is seeing it.
            Is Trump perfect nope but he is far better than anything the other side has vomited forth as a choice.

    • debt October 11, 2019 at 3:05 pm #

      No it doesn’t. Today’s Brown Shirts (Antifa) fight for the extreme left, not Trump’s Populism.

  10. Neon Vincent October 11, 2019 at 10:31 am #

    “So it goes in these dangerous autumn days of The Fourth Turning.” I always enjoy it when our host references Strauss and Howe. It puts our current situation, whatever it is, in a structure that helps me understand what’s going on and why. In this case, it’s a crisis on the order of the Revolutionary War, Civil War and Reconstruction, and the Great Depression and World War II. I’d like something as uplifting as the outcomes of the first and third crises, but I’m expecting something more like the outcome of the second I listed. Strauss and Howe found that disappointing; we’ll be lucky if that’s all we find how things turn out.

    As for reality television, even that has passed by Our Cartoon President. He never won an Emmy for “The Apprentice.” The best he ever did was winning Emmy Idol for singing “Green Acres” with Megan Mullally of “Will & Grace.” Mullally thought it was funny at the time but seems to regret it now. Speaking of “Will and Grace,” today is National Coming Out Day. Last year, I celebrated by writing about Emmy wins by “RuPaul’s Drag Race,” “Queer Eye,” and “Will & Grace.” The Television Academy thinks both of the first two are the best reality shows on TV these days. Meanwhile, “The Apprentice” has been canceled.

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    • hmuller October 12, 2019 at 10:06 am #

      This year you can celebrate Shepard Smith removing his nasty, floppy sphincter from FOX news. No doubt it will find a happy home at CNN or MSNBC.

  11. Whoopdy-Do October 11, 2019 at 10:33 am #

    Here’s a salient article from humanevents.com I read this morning, that also helps to make sense of what’s going on. “Legitocracy In America:
    How we’ve devolved into orderly lawlessness.”

    In part…

    “Much like the aristocracies and theocracies of bygone days, the chieftains of the legitocratic class have fallen into warlording over which of them gets to make the rules that control the society and the state. They bicker over bizarre ideologies and disrupt elected government at every turn with nuisance lawsuits and politically-motivated prosecutions. They divert political and cultural issues from legislatures and elections into courtrooms…..

    “Should anyone bother to ask him, the citizen will declare that the words chiseled on the Supreme Court building (“Equal Justice Under Law”) have turned to bitter irony. He watches with ballooning cynicism as the legal priesthood deploys word games to exonerate one another’s heinous manipulations, then turn and damn ordinary citizens like him to years of legal hell for standing up to their diktats. Justice is no longer a sacred right grounded in fear of God and His mystery. It is something you hire or receive as a reward for loyalty.

    “The legitocratic class has changed the motto of the United States from ‘In God, We Trust” to “There Is No God—Trust Us.’”


    • Walter B October 11, 2019 at 10:45 am #

      Great post Whoopdy-Do, it describes exactly what has happened.

      I saw the same result years ago when five friends and I set up a fantasy football league. Every year we would hold a draft day before the season started where we would review, modify, and add rules to our system. Each and every year got worse with those in control adding more and more rules that allowed them to maintain and gain in power over the rest of us. The unsuspecting and sometimes inebriated could be manipulated into going along and after a number of years it became a farce rather than fun so I dumped it and them.

      It is exactly how our system has devolved and if my example has any value at all, it would be to show that the only way to correct such corruption is to dump it all. How we go about doing that is beyond me, but I do believe that it will and must happen sooner rather than later.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 11, 2019 at 12:49 pm #

        Would you say then that Fantasy Football has the same relation to actual Football as money does to actual capital?

        • Walter B October 11, 2019 at 1:39 pm #

          Well both fantasy football and fiat currency are fake, so I yes I would agree to that.

      • Epicur October 12, 2019 at 11:53 am #

        When you think about ordering society always remember these words from Adams:

        “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion… Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

        Just as one cannot make chicken salad out of chicken shit, one cannot democratically create order in a nation of people who lack the ability to order their own lives.

        “It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.” – Edmund Burke

        There is no amount of policing or government dictat from above that can bring order to a disorderly society. Order must arise from the people.

        Natural selection ain’t beanbag, but it is the only thing that works.

        Prepare to be winnowed.

  12. JohnAZ October 11, 2019 at 10:39 am #

    Trump’s largesse as the great deal maker, the negotiating destroyer of the Swamp is over if Minneapolis is any indication. The Bull went into the Lion’s den and declared war on his opposition. The gloves are off.

    The next year could be brutal. Trump’s minions are loosed now to counter the falsehood that is the DNC. Both sides will probably use threats against the public in attempts to extort and scare the public. The national debt comes to mind here. If the 814 billion continues to rise at an increasing rate, it will be a major issue. Trump has left it behind as it is a non-issue as it’s resolution is impossible with our current political situation. But like most of the other issues, there will be a lot of noise with little real action as the impossibility of each situation comes to light. Fellow voters, stand by to have your sensibility challenged by people whose entire job is to pull the wool over your eyes. The impeachment idiocy is just the start. The MSM, the DNC, HRC minions are spending 24/7 trying to find dirt on Trump and Pence to use. Just like they did in 2015/6, but they do not have as much power as they did with Obama and his DOJ. Barr, Horowitz and Durham as fixing to return the favor. The result could range from a whimper to a major explosion depending on how you and I react. One thing is for sure, we are going to have to tolerate tons of political ads that say nothing during the next 13 months.

    The flotsam on top of the water is the fiscal integrity of the US economy. The dollar, the basis, may take a huge hit this year and will be affected by the idiocy of the politics. Get ready to laugh at the Left trying to blame the hockey stick debt on Trump. Be afraid of the reaction to that. Our standard of living depends on our ability to stay in denial about the debt. The Boomers are increasingly looking for their retirement payments. Right now, they are $ in a capital pool called the National debt. This does not bode well. Timing wise, I would guess the unwinding will depend on the rate of withdrawal increase by the Boomers. As need increases, the curves steepens.

    And not just here, the world has this problem.

  13. DJL October 11, 2019 at 10:54 am #

    Did anyone see the article in the WSJ showing how 1 California county without power for 24 hours went berserk with folks shoving each other in stores even before the power was cut off and looting commencing once it had? It took less than 24 hours for people to be unable to cope. While absurdity always delights, the prospect of extended breakdowns in power or supplies in this country is fearful to contemplate. People are just looking for a chance to lash out. Dark times. Lock your doors.

    • benr October 11, 2019 at 11:02 am #

      Yep and the worst part is the law passed by the insipid progressive commies in Kaliforniacation mandates every inch of the power lines and equipment be inspected before power is restored.
      It could be a week before power is turned back on.
      Wandering on down to get my portable generator to at least power the refrigerator so the frozen poison stays edible.

      • DJL October 11, 2019 at 11:07 am #

        Good luck!

      • San Jose October 11, 2019 at 11:15 am #

        Amen benr!

        To add insult to injury, we Californians pay a lot more for energy than other states. Because California is “green” they can’t enter into contracts with coal-powered electricity providers in other states. So when even a wee bit of cloud cover shades the state–even a slight decrease in light makes a huge difference in the effectiveness of solar energy, California buys power on the spot market.

        The spot market is like shopping at Tiffany’s. Living in California is very expensive.


      • TPTB-USA October 11, 2019 at 11:49 am #

        Hello benr,

        I wondered if cutting the power was payback for the Paradise law suits.

        What you report … “Kaliforniacation mandates every inch of the power lines and equipment be inspected before power is restored.” makes me think extortion.

        Has anyone penciled in how many shares of PGE stock CALPERS holds? Does anyone know who is on first base?

    • elysianfield October 11, 2019 at 3:25 pm #

      “…1 California county without power for 24 hours went berserk”

      …Sadly, I am vindicated….

      • BackRowHeckler October 11, 2019 at 4:18 pm #

        Well E, you can’t say we didn’t hear it here first. You must have a crystal ball at your house.

    • Exscotticus October 11, 2019 at 7:48 pm #

      Cue Snack Pack and Janebot to praise our dependence on Big Gov. And encourage even more.

  14. JohnAZ October 11, 2019 at 10:57 am #

    All the gimme generation, grown by Liberal ignorance and just plain bad politics, is going to rise up when the income tap is shut off by governmental insolvency. Who are they going to rise up against, considering their level of brainwashing?

    I hope they pick the right targets. Of course, a lot of those targets could be in New Zealand by then.

  15. benr October 11, 2019 at 11:04 am #

    Over and over the Democrat idiots prove they are not fit to govern.
    The power nonsense in my kleptocratic state proves it!
    The greasy used car salesman in Charge Gavin Newsome is so loathsome.

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    • San Jose October 11, 2019 at 11:34 am #

      Oh my! Don’t even get me started on Gavin Newsom! Hard to imagine that he was once married to Kimberly Guilfoyle. The couple was once dubbed as the “New Kennedys.”

      Yeah, the sleazy Kennedys. After the 2005 break-up, Newsom had an affair with the wife of his good friend and campaign manager, which resulted in divorce.

      Indeed, the upper crust in San Francisco can’t stand Gavin. Vanessa Getty, scion of the arts, urged the family to avoid him whenever possible.


      • debt October 11, 2019 at 11:42 am #

        Make sure you sign the recall Gavin Newsom petition.

    • Ricechex October 12, 2019 at 12:43 am #

      Yes he is. I doubt this will fly, but no harm in trying.

  16. San Jose October 11, 2019 at 11:04 am #

    Get Over It –The Eagles

    I turn on the tube and what do I see
    A whole lotta people cryin’ “Don’t blame me”
    They point their crooked little fingers at everybody else
    Spend all their time feelin’ sorry for themselves
    Victim of this, victim of that
    Your momma’s too thin; your daddy’s too fat

    Get over it!

    • cc rider October 11, 2019 at 11:20 am #

      “….I’d like to take your inner child and kick his little ass! Get over it.”

      • Walter B October 11, 2019 at 11:53 am #

        The more I think about it Old Willie was right,
        Let’s kill all the lawyers, let’s kill ’em tonight!

        (Legal disclaimer:
        I do not advocate violence and I am not doing so here, I am simply quoting the lyrics of the song. Lawyers are our friends and they love us as much as we love them.)

        • cc rider October 11, 2019 at 11:59 am #

          Lol! Yes we do live in the Age of Disclaimers.

        • volodya October 11, 2019 at 12:02 pm #

          I spent much of my working life cheek-by-jowl with lawyers. I don’t know how we’d have functioned without them.

          That said, there’s the dull grey corporate lawyers I worked with but on the other hand the mercenary personal injury types and the Hollywood divorce lawyers and I could go on and on. You know the type. You feel like you should get a tetanus shot.

  17. marcus1 October 11, 2019 at 11:05 am #

    “The nation has been too preoccupied with political mud-wrestling to notice that the US debt has gone hockey-stick parabolic, racking up $814 billion just since August. ”

    A “yuge” tax cut in an expanding economy. Why?

    Best argument yet for Democratic leadership in the Executive Branch.

    Bill Clinton Budget Deficit 1990: $290 billion
    Bill Clinton Budget Surplus 2000: $236 billion

    The only time Republicans feel fiscal responsibility is during the tenure of a Democrat.

    • benr October 11, 2019 at 11:36 am #

      Or you could research the truth and look at who controlled Congress during those times. President has hand on fiscal tiller but Congress controls the how much and when.

      • cc rider October 11, 2019 at 11:51 am #

        Yeah, like when Bubba took credit for the GOP Welfare Reform Act. All he did was sign it.

    • JohnAZ October 11, 2019 at 11:49 pm #


      Gimme a break,

      Newt Gingrich and the Contract with America GOPers were responsible for Clinton’s budget as well as low oil costs.

      How about the ten trillion doubling of the debt during the Obama administration.

      Boom. You facts just blew up.

      • benr October 12, 2019 at 11:35 am #

        He has no facts just a low information talking point spewing sock puppet on the DNC payroll to troll.

  18. BackRowHeckler October 11, 2019 at 11:08 am #


    Not trying to be provocative, but any kind of economic distress in the next year combined with these impeachment efforts going on in DC will most likely secure the presidency for the Dem nominee, Elizabeth Warren IMHO. But her whole candidacy seems to be based upon free stuff for everybody. What happens when she finds out there’s nothing left in the coffers to give away, the coffers are empty? Millions of voters out here are going to be mighty disappointed they will not be getting their share of the free swag that was promised. Some might be angry.


    • Janos Skorenzy October 11, 2019 at 12:55 pm #

      Just like the Depression: People will go hungry with the warehouses full of grain and crops rotting in the fields. The realm of actuality hasn’t failed but rather the realm of fantasy and money. Obviously a giant reset is in order, with debts forgiven and money kept close to the physical world it is supposed to represent.

    • K-Dog October 11, 2019 at 1:10 pm #

      What do you care about what her whole candidacy seems to be based upon? I don’t care if she promises me a palomino pony or a Cleveland Bay. She could just as well promise me and everybody else a unicorn. You must be hecking because you can’t be serious. Did you know that politicians will say anything to get elected? Now you have me contributing to your fluff. Grrrrrrrr.

      • BackRowHeckler October 11, 2019 at 1:52 pm #

        Wait a minute, Kieth. Are you implying Liz Warren is not to be believed? No trillion $$$ student loan forgiveness, no medicare for Illegals, no open borders, Wall Street won’t be crushed, no jailing of oil company executives? Well now, many, many millions of citizens are gonna be sorely disappointed.


        • K-Dog October 12, 2019 at 7:12 pm #


    • Epicur October 12, 2019 at 12:34 pm #

      “What happens when she finds out there’s nothing left in the coffers to give away, the coffers are empty?”

      Coffers mean nothing to those who believe that wealth (capital) is created solely or even primarily by labor. All they need is authority to order how labor is used and rewarded and the workers’ paradise is born.

      That their theories have failed/fail to deliver is only because of wreckers. Solving that problem is when the real fun starts.

  19. snarkmatic9000 October 11, 2019 at 11:20 am #

    Best post in a very long time…ie not just an apologia for the R wing Trump persevere-at-all-cost mafia v the neo-Maoist woke Lefty deluded.

    So back to financial reality, citizens. We boomers (I’m same age as Jim) used to call the present “Deep State” The Establishment, or more colloquially The Man. Same folks, different nomenclature…the more things change, &c &c. Power will always be about self-interest and self-preservation. The time’s finally coming where those may be in doubt. Let’s just hope the collateral damage can be limited to the guilty.

  20. benr October 11, 2019 at 11:33 am #

    It won’t be long now!

    Iranian tanker claims it was hit by missiles of Saudi Arabia!

    Going to be an oil fueled weenie roast by the end of the month!

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    • ellipsis October 11, 2019 at 11:43 am #

      It’ll be proxy wars all around all the way down. Until the nukes come out at least.

      • JohnAZ October 11, 2019 at 10:02 pm #

        So why is everyone bitching at Trump for trying to extricate us from the ME. Before it blows sky high, also taking the Nukes out of the equation.

        BTW, Israel can take care of itself.

        • Exscotticus October 11, 2019 at 10:11 pm #

          I watched the libby news today and they were upset with Trump for not rushing Gung-Ho! into a war with Turkey. It was surreal. I swear if Trump came out against cancer, Dems would somehow be praising it. In the same way that Pelosi defended the “spark of divinity” in MS-13 psycopaths.

        • Majella October 12, 2019 at 2:41 am #

          Because he hasn’t..?

          • benr October 12, 2019 at 11:37 am #


            Your absolute hate of Trump is a sight to behold and sad that you are so ruled by emotion that logic eludes you 100%!

          • Majella October 12, 2019 at 4:26 pm #

            Oh, bent – take a look in a mirror before you spout such laughably idiotic criticisms of others.

            The US Specisl Forecs inSyria are still in Syria, just out of the line of Trump-approved Turkish action. He must have been royally played by Erdogan.

            What’s the money on US troops being back there inside 6 months?

        • Nightowl October 12, 2019 at 3:13 am #

          The answer is simple:


  21. debt October 11, 2019 at 11:43 am #

    In Memorium: Reality

    Reality… What a concept!

  22. volodya October 11, 2019 at 11:49 am #

    Maybe we can get glimmers of what life will look like post banking collapse just by looking at the multitude of un-banked Americans. They say that a quarter of the population has no bank account, mostly because they don’t have enough money or because there’s no bank branch within a reasonable distance, or because for them it makes more sense to deal with some pay-day loan outfit. 

    This is what the Archdruid (and others) called dis-intermediation, that being the economy dropping its middle-men. Why would this happen? Maybe because the resources no longer exist to support intermediaries to transactions. Maybe because the intermediary system becomes too corrupt or maybe too expensive and people can no longer afford it and so it contracts. 

    What about when the banking system is in such disrepute that nobody trusts them with their cash? What about when so many banks collapse and the leading lights of the time have neither the energy nor the ideas to rebuild? So how will life look like without the intermediary of a bank between borrower and saver, or an insurance company sitting between doctor and patient. 

    Can you imagine being paid in coin or paper money and then having no place to put it for safe-keeping aside maybe for under floor-boards. Or maybe being paid “in kind”, like with a sack of flour or paying the same way for example, your dentist or family doctor.  

    A long while back my cousin took up with a woman that had no bank account, that being the way she was raised and how her family operated. My cousin graduated in finance from a university in Michigan and couldn’t fathom how this chick and her family functioned, but somehow they managed. Anyway he got her organized and signed up at the local bank and got her savings and checking. But I can imagine the arguments over this. I suppose he prevailed.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 11, 2019 at 1:02 pm #

      Some say it is no longer possible to function with cash alone and no credit or debit cards. The Beast System is beginning to take control. Evil with fight against Good. Trannies against Clowns!

      • BackRowHeckler October 11, 2019 at 2:32 pm #

        I believe Sweden is about 80% cashless right now.

      • JohnAZ October 11, 2019 at 10:06 pm #

        The agrarian society of the 1800’s, which we may return to, was an almost cashless society as people did not have much cash available.

        • elysianfield October 12, 2019 at 1:16 pm #

          ” people did not have much cash available.

          THAT was the rationale for fiat currency…loosen the money supply that could not be done with specie.

          Worked for a long time…we all benefitted.

    • malthuss October 11, 2019 at 1:51 pm #

      I didnt have a checking account until I was 26 ish. maybe older.
      But I had a bank account since I was about 5 years young.

      How does someone always pay cash?

      • Nightowl October 11, 2019 at 6:15 pm #

        If you were a powerfully built company director, you would not be asking this question.

    • Epicur October 12, 2019 at 12:53 pm #

      If you haven’t read Joseph Tainter (or watched on Youtube), you could profit by doing so.

      Increasing complexity is always the answer to problems until collapse arrives. I think we have yet more complexity available to the State before collapse.

      I predict that the banking system will be replaced by MMT. The system has been morphing into MMT for years now. Everyone will get credits that allow them access to sustenance. All the government needs is more power to make it work, for a while anyway, until we burn through the last of our accumulated capital.

      Things will get really interesting when the State decides that the unproductive are an unbearable burden.

      • volodya October 12, 2019 at 1:58 pm #

        I think it could start with the old and sick. I think that a lot of things that sit at the forefront of the field of “medical ethics” (I know, a lot of people consider that to be a contradiction) will become common practice. Medically assisted suicide? As yet, not that common. But give it a bit of time and assisted suicide, medically or otherwise, won’t just become common-place, it will become the norm. Old? Sick? Fuck off and die. 

        And just watch, the old and the sick won’t even have to sign off. A doctor, or a panel of doctors, with or without the consent of the sick or their families, will have the power to pull the plug. Or if a family member decides that Gramps is just too much of a pain-in-the ass, the coroner won’t make a fuss if Gramps suddenly makes an exit, even if it looks like he had an assist. 

        Abortion? You’re against abortion? Never mind abortion, get ready for infanticide. Against the law? Yes, for now, but give it time. Even if stays illegal, if someone sticks a female infant in a bucket of water, nobody will complain. Sound reprehensible? Yes, but there’s impoverished sections of China where killing female babies is common-place. Female babies? Why females? Because that’s how it’s been. Selective abortions of females also. Families prefer male babies. You don’t like it? You don’t have to.

        When resources are in short supply, maybe a lot of stuff that we consider beyond the pale, won’t be anymore. 

  23. capt spaulding October 11, 2019 at 11:54 am #

    I’ve been wondering when this blog would return to it’s roots. JHK has always seen the fiscal problems that confound us, and that will sink us. I have to say however, that he has never excoriated the Republicans as much as they deserve for their mule headed attachment to their screwed up principles. So to keep it in mind, I will repeat, as do the Republicans, “cut taxes and deregulate. ”

    The funny thing about all of this is that if there was some kind of formula that could produce a continual financial cornucopia, it would have been discovered by now, and would have been applied by one or both of the parties for our ongoing benefit.

    Going back to the Great Depression, it’s interesting to see that the only real effect that Roosevelt could bring to bear on the situation, was to provide food and government programs for the affected people, until the situation worked it’s way out pretty much on it’s own. Nobody has a lock on how to bring about prosperity. Nobody. When the shit hits the fan, which it always does, the government will find itself in the same pickle that it was back then, with the only thing that it can do, is try to help people stay alive and fed until things improve.

    The problem is, I don’t know if we can come back one more time, or if this is gonna be the one that sinks our ship. It’s good to know that the wealthy will be able to survive, living in New Zealand, Serving on the Ukrainian oil company’s board of directors, etc., you know, business as usual. The only thing I know for sure, is that things have progressed to the point that I don’t know if you can trust either side to do the right thing for it’s citizens.

    After we crashed in 2008, I remember thinking back to the 1930s, and wondering if this time around the world would embrace fascism the way it did last time. It certainly seems to have made a resurgence. By the time you add up all of the very real problems we have, and the ones we are developing, like climate change to go along with it, I’d say we are looking at a very rough ride. Great post, Jim.

    • Plennie_Wingo October 11, 2019 at 12:27 pm #

      I fully believe that civil war may not be far off. Look at what is happening in California – PG&E shutting off power like that to protect shareholders. There will be a point when enough is enough.

      • K-Dog October 11, 2019 at 12:53 pm #

        The point of 4th turning modernity is that there is no longer enough in a land where once believing in enough was enough.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 11, 2019 at 1:05 pm #

      Yes, and Fascism and National Socialism would have saved them too. For that reason they were attacked by the forces of Capitalism/Communism. America fought on the side of Evil and nothing can ever make that right. Now the chickens come home to roost and Americans are the victims of their own system.

      • Majella October 12, 2019 at 3:06 am #

        Janos, would you please elucidate those of us who don’t know already, what the ‘socialist’ part of Nazism actually meant ?

        • Janos Skorenzy October 12, 2019 at 12:54 pm #

          In classic Marxism, the means of production are made common. In modern Communism or Political Correctness, only the fruits are, leaving the Corporations inviolate to work their evil. National Socialism improved upon this sorry situation by insisting that the Corporations play ball with the People and the Nation – or they could get out. Nor did it try to level, by paying everyone the same or destroying the upper classes as both classic and modern Western Communism did or hope to do, the latter being foolish indeed since the Corporations are funding the protesters. But again, the answer isn’t to get rid of them, since they are an effective way to produce and distribute – as long as they are watched like hawks. But yes, small business is preferable where practical and it must be forstered by a wise State.

          And most obviously, We do not seek to destroy the Nation State like your Communism intends to do, with the full backing of the Corporations, right? Does that make any sense? No. In other words, you don’t make any sense since your philosophy doesn’t. That’s fair I think.

          • Majella October 12, 2019 at 4:35 pm #

            Thanks Janos. It was a genuine question. Your answer DOES make sense, though I see what GA is getting at when she dings you for telling others what they think & why they think it:

            ‘Does that make any sense? No. In other words, you don’t make any sense since your philosophy doesn’t. That’s fair I think.’

            Still, how does this philosophy of, essentially, ‘fair dealing with labor’ reconcile itself with the forced Labor camps? Could it be that Hitler’s Nazism wasn’t pure National Socialism after all?

        • Epicur October 12, 2019 at 1:07 pm #

          Hitler believed in the labor theory of value, he just believed that labor should, or could, be organized on a national basis. Communists believed that the international proletariat was the organizing basis.

          • Majella October 12, 2019 at 4:30 pm #

            Especially exemplified by the labor camps, where the workers were treated fairly, paid well and feted for their efforts 7 output!

    • Plennie_Wingo October 11, 2019 at 1:22 pm #

      Bretton Woods gave the post-war world a framework to begin again. Along with the Marshall Plan, which was nothing more than creating markets for the over-capacity of US manufacturing, the period from 1945-1971 was fairly remarkable in its prosperity and equality.

      Unless the financial casino is shut down and debt is dealt with, that will never happen again.

      • JohnAZ October 11, 2019 at 10:16 pm #

        The debt is dealt with—

        That is impossible. The debt will not be dealt with. Put your own home situation in the same level of debt, how would you recover?

        You wouldn’t and neither will the government. It is the lack of debt repayment to retirees that is going to take us down around the world. You are right, it must be paid back but it cannot be.

        We will see a reduction of per capital income to cents on the dollar when the SHTF. Adjustments hopefully will be made, or there is big trouble brewing.

    • pokercat October 11, 2019 at 1:45 pm #

      “cut taxes and deregulate. ”

      I agree completely Cut taxes for the middle class eliminate them for the poor, repeal all the insane laws punishing victimless crimes and those laws designed to punish only the poor and minorities.

      Raise taxes on corporations and the rich, regulate corporations like they were citizens (in prison).
      Replace the minimum wage with a maximum wage.

      …..re-read your post maybe that’s not what you meant

      • BackRowHeckler October 11, 2019 at 4:16 pm #

        Then there won’t be anymore corporations. They will move overseas or close up, that’s all.


        • Nightowl October 11, 2019 at 6:17 pm #

          That is where movement of labor comes in. It’s the best part of globalism.

          • JohnAZ October 11, 2019 at 11:57 pm #

            You are saying that all people in the world should move around the world as needed to satisfy the needs of international corporations.

            One huge problem, language and culture. Different peoples do not blend well together , as we in America are in the process of proving.

          • Nightowl October 12, 2019 at 3:05 am #


            It was sarcasm. The movement of labor is a concept that is repeatedly discussed in all of their white papers.

            You can’t have a global plantation without a mobile slave class. The ones who can’t pack up at the drop of a hat get to starve.

  24. Tooz October 11, 2019 at 12:03 pm #

    I could have gone to the rally last night, but choose instead to take in some 60s French pop at a local music cafe. Wow, did I make the right decision. 🙂

    • Plennie_Wingo October 11, 2019 at 12:49 pm #

      Much better choice than listening to that load.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 11, 2019 at 1:06 pm #

      Classic Decadence. But by all means your right (wrong).

      • malthuss October 11, 2019 at 1:41 pm #

        you are right?
        you re right?

        or your [possessive] right?

        • Janos Skorenzy October 12, 2019 at 12:55 pm #

          Shame on you. As if I don’t already know that.

  25. Robert White October 11, 2019 at 1:19 pm #

    Post-Lehman Macroeconomics has failed to account for debt, deficit, & Bank Holding Company leverage amidst the off-exchange Non-Bank & Shadow Bank sector leveraged debts & debt overhangs.

    Market Decoupling & disequilibrium will send all markets & investments to zero, shortly. Propping Deutsche Bank & General Electric up with $75 billion in overnight REPO Not-QE every few days is not exactly making market players relaxed with warm & fuzzy feelings of a profitable holiday season ahead these days.

    The facts of life for the good boys & girls of America this Christmas season is that you will not be able to buy the GI-Joe with the Kung Foo Grip and will have to suffice with a lump of coal in your stockings instead. And this all could have been avoided if Americans had understood that trade wars with superpowers in a time of recessionary headwinds is statistically certain to end in political upset at the federal level every time if we are to examine history & the records it gives us every four years.

    Nixon was turfed out on second term aspirations in second term recessionary headwinds.

    The Duck has his goose cooked for him merely via recession timed with election gambit for this round 2020.

    Elizabeth Warren will be the new POTUS.]

    Mark my words!


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    • Plennie_Wingo October 11, 2019 at 1:42 pm #

      Warren will indeed take over. There is a huge thirst right now for substance after the adolescent ramblings and ‘guvment by Magic-8 Ball

      She will right the ship if they let her.

      Four more years of trump and forget it.

      • BackRowHeckler October 11, 2019 at 3:06 pm #

        IOW, utopia is right around the corner, a mere 15 months away.

    • JohnAZ October 12, 2019 at 12:02 am #

      I do love it.

      Every time one of you people declare a recession is going to take out Trump, the stock market rebounds.

      How about another forecast.

      Trump’s group signs agreements with the EU, England and China, the economy takes off again, the stock market goes up 1000 points, the farmers get new markets, USMCA is signed.

      And Trump slaughters every candidate the Libs throw at him.

      And the sweetest reward, the destruction of all RINOs.

  26. RB October 11, 2019 at 1:25 pm #

    Possible events:

    1. Means test Medicare.
    2. Reduce Social Security payments by means test.
    3. Reduce military pensions and benefits by a LOT.
    4. Reduce or cancel student loans.
    5. Price controls.
    6. Enable state governments to declare bankruptcy.
    7. Nullify all foreign owned debt.
    8. Reduce the military in size and numbers and budget. Slash it.
    9. Privatize the VA medical system.
    10. Increase every tax in existence and add more e.g. miles driven.
    11. Seize all gold and competing currencies.
    13. Do as China does and control all internet content.
    14. Increase minimum wage across the land.
    15. Guarantee a basic income. Means test.
    16. Ration fuels.
    17. Continue to lie about everything.
    18. Shut down rural life and move people to the cities.
    19. Make euthanasia legal. No medical treatment over 75.
    20. Shut down war on drugs.
    21. Tax religious activity. Property.
    22. Seize IRAs
    23. Seize firearms.
    24. Raise retirement age to 75.

    • malthuss October 11, 2019 at 1:42 pm #

      will 5G kill most people? soon?

    • Walter B October 11, 2019 at 1:43 pm #

      Or simply remove retirement altogether – work till you die as in true and open slavery. So many old folk are doing it now anyway that I don’t think they would even notice the difference. Hey, maybe that’s the plan?

    • Don’t be silly. See the real practical solution below.

    • JohnAZ October 11, 2019 at 10:20 pm #

      Many of your items are already happening at Federal and State levels.

    • toktomi October 12, 2019 at 12:08 am #


  27. RocketDoc October 11, 2019 at 1:44 pm #

    Collapse has been on the menu since Diamond in 2004. I read The Long Emergency and Long Descent in the 2005-2007 time frame. But if there is a financial truth that conditions can stay solvent longer than those betting against them, then there may be a philosophic truth that unreality trumps reality for as long as the participants prefer to sleep rather than wake up. When TINA, people prefer the dream to being woke. Christianity has had a long run and it is or isn’t True but it took a body blow 160 years ago with Darwin and 20 years later Nietzsche didn’t help. We stagger along with a great cultural load of shibboleths but there is no conclusive decision to abandon one set of precepts and adopt another. If there is a Vision or guide star, I have not seen it. The progress myth is dying as we dither and rationality doesn’t help. I have children and I am their Father-what should I tell them to do? Christianity has either a death wish or a Life wish and we need our fellow travelers no matter the destination….

    • malthuss October 11, 2019 at 1:53 pm #

      Collapse has been on the menu since 2004.

      Then it must be slow food, not fast.

      • RocketDoc October 11, 2019 at 2:16 pm #

        You are correct. We smell the cooking but the banquet has not been served…

      • BackRowHeckler October 11, 2019 at 4:11 pm #


        Many small businesses being closed around here

        Yet, banks and bank branches being built all over the place, new construction on expensive real estate, not just storefront installations.

        I’m wondering what gives?


        • JohnAZ October 11, 2019 at 10:26 pm #

          Are we in another phony Real Estate boom like was pictured in the Big Short causing the 2008 debacle? If so, we will soon ratchet down another step economically.

          It is what happens when you try to make an economy out of paper and BS.

    • JohnAZ October 11, 2019 at 10:22 pm #

      Consider the lilies of the field—

  28. DianaH October 11, 2019 at 1:55 pm #

    Advice please. My daughter is urging me to take out home equity loan on my cash poor but debt free little farm. Idea is, stick the cash in the bank and hold onto to because things are coming unglued and soon cash and loans won’t be available. What could go wrong? What would you do?

    • capt spaulding October 11, 2019 at 1:58 pm #

      Buy whiskey, guns, and gold. Always in demand.

    • RocketDoc October 11, 2019 at 2:13 pm #

      Don’t you have to pay 5% for that privilege? The money you obtain will gradually be worth less. The farm will still be a farm. If you are betting that someone will forget to ask you for re-payment in the hurly burly of collapse then you should think about that carefully….

    • RB October 11, 2019 at 2:22 pm #

      Well, more details would help here. But….

      Why would you trust the bank to have your cash accessible and in the amount you want?

      Can you pay your property taxes?

      Governments have been known to freeze accounts which would not negate you having a mortgage on your debt free land.

      I’ve made it a point never to listen to my children on anything to do with finances. I have more experience, more money by far, no debts and they have mortgages, car loans etc. Seriously?

      As I said, more information might help.

      Best to you.

      • DianaH October 11, 2019 at 2:34 pm #

        You said just what I’m thinking. She and I can see it coming unglued. I’d just rather face the emergencies without debt and she thinks we need cash to weather whatever emergencies are coming. Thanks for wisdom

        • elysianfield October 11, 2019 at 3:50 pm #

          Debt is your enemy. If you have enough liquidity to weather several years of Property Tax, you will survive. Future emergencies? Meet them without the burden of debt, but with possible farmland equity as a distasteful option.

    • There is an adage in motorcycling that might apply here. Amateur riders crash in some part because they dumped the bike to avoid the accident, in other words, crashing to avoid a crash. Experienced riders know their chances are better if they stay on the bike at all costs. If they have that mindset they make better decisions.

      Or you could do as David B Collum, Chemist-prognosticator, and sit with your portfolio in gold and cash, going nowhere while a secular bull-run in stocks takes everyone else to the moon.

      A debt-free farm that produces income is your wealth. Seeds in the ground are your investments. Harvests are your dividends. Diversification is your strategy.

      Reduce fixed costs by degrees and increase cash flow. Invest in marketing for pennies on the dollar. Leverage the internet connection and social media.

      • Walter B October 11, 2019 at 4:10 pm #

        You are absolutely correct about motorcycling. Whenever I hear some dope say that he had to “lay it down” I beg them to give up motorcycling forever. The very concept is ridiculous. I once hit a deer broadside at 55 mph and besides my front fender snapping off and flying away, nothing happened. While I will not go into this miracle any further here, “hold on tight and keep it upright” is what those of us who learned to ride in competition live by.

        As far as Mr. Collum’s choice of investment goes, it IS the safest way to hold wealth during tough times even though it may not grow in value. I would guess that the majority of investors in the stock market lose, not win, though winning is certainly possible for the astute and the insiders.

        Your advice on the farm is also totally right on.

        • To be honest I don’t know the exact details of her situation.

          For all I know its a Fox farm in a mud wallow on a couple acres that smells so bad her daughter can’t stand the place.

        • stelmosfire October 11, 2019 at 5:19 pm #

          “Nothing happened” I’d be willing to bet the deer did not feel the same way! I took out a deer on my bike. The deer died, I walked. I was also at a wreck where a guy laid it down. His passenger and himself went clear under a semi got up and walked away, so everyone’s circumstance is differant. If not for the dump they would have certainly been killed. The leathers helped a bit also.

          • Walter B October 11, 2019 at 5:56 pm #

            Yes, your point is valid, but since you are here I will relay my experience in full detail. When the deer impacted my front fender it flipped sideways and barrel rolled right into my windshield. As I squeezed the grips with all I had, wondering if the carcass was going to knock the windshield off and decapitate me, something bizarre happened. Just as the hair contacted the plexiglass, the deer vanished into thin air. My eyes popped wide open, I snapped my head up and then to either side and there was nothing. I stopped and looked around and there was no sign of any deer, neither blood nor hair, except in the crack in my fender stump.

            I told my friends that I believed that I was saved by a miracle. They though it more likely that God saved the deer. In any case, I believe.

        • elysianfield October 12, 2019 at 1:26 pm #

          Motorcycle cops are trained to lay down their bikes and to crawl up upon them while skidding…I have known several “motors”, and a controlled lay down is considered the survival tactic in potential crashes.

          • Walter B October 12, 2019 at 6:00 pm #

            I don’t doubt what you say ef, though I find it hard to imagine exactly what situation would call for such a maneuver. The main problem that I see with a lay-down is that it can easily turn into a flip flop, whirling, spinning scythe of doom if the right parts catch on the pavement and an endo results. Wanting to get away from that bad boy ASAP would be the order of the day to be sure.

          • Walter doesn’t remember what happened because the spine is capable of making decisions on its own.

          • Walter B October 12, 2019 at 8:32 pm #

            As opposed to the spineless that cannot make any decisions at all.

    • JohnAZ October 11, 2019 at 10:33 pm #

      Why did you go debt free on your farm, for fiscal security perhaps?

      You are undoing partially what you did.

      You will soon be paying back the equity loan, and if you do not have cash available, how are you going to do that?

      If you are on a losing streak, fix the capital leak, do not go further into debt. You are giving away interest to someone else that you need in cash

    • toktomi October 12, 2019 at 12:15 am #


      Quickly! Get your daughter back on her meds.

      There are good reasons [research them for yourself, please] why the most respected doomers and survivalists place near the top of their prep lists, “stay out of debt or get out of debt”.



  29. James Kuehl October 11, 2019 at 2:06 pm #

    “Parabolic trends don’t end well.”

    One notable exception is yeast growth in fermentation that can end with fine wine. Yum! Granted, things don’t end well for the yeast cells themselves, which die in the toxic by products of their own parabolic multiplication. Perhaps whatever follows our species will find our detritus to be toast worthy.

  30. Luhrenloup October 11, 2019 at 2:26 pm #

    I don’t think you’re being fair to Trump. In the bull ring you have deposited him in, he is at every turn finding a way to outmaneuver his opponents. In the recent squirmish in which he has been rudely shoved off his querencia Trump used this open door moment to pull the troops out of Syria and reassert his campaign statement that the mideast wars were were to the country’s benefit, the worst mistake ever made was the war in Iraq.

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    • Nightowl October 11, 2019 at 5:31 pm #

      Agreed. He is the real deal.

      • Luhrenloup October 12, 2019 at 8:43 pm #

        yah, looking at presidents’ flaws will get you nowhere. Obama aspired to elite arrogance, W was incable, and his administration was ruled by Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, the Clintons were so corrupt that it was alleged they stole the furniture when they left the White House. The same applies to political parties. At bottom it always comes down to this basic question,
        From the above list it’s fair to say each one of those folks walked off the job a lot richer than when they came in. It’s expected. You don’t get that job because you’re a good guy. They got so caught up being macho, fighting wars, threatening countries that they forgot all about America as it was sliding down the tubes.

        • benr October 12, 2019 at 11:33 pm #

          Worse when someone finally called them on it they blamed the staff for the attempted theft! They also yanked all the W off the keyboards in the Whitehouse when they left.

        • Nightowl October 13, 2019 at 5:00 am #

          The LATimes had a piece on that, stating that the Clintons started shipping WH property to their new NY house as far as a year in advance.

    • toktomi October 12, 2019 at 12:21 am #


      Do you also lament the abuses heaped upon Jessica Rabbit or are you just very selective in your choice of toon tales?

      It’s theatre, son, ya bother me.


      • Luhrenloup October 12, 2019 at 8:44 pm #

        You’re an idiot!

  31. BackRowHeckler October 11, 2019 at 3:19 pm #

    Secret impeachment hearings in Congress today. Secret hearings? The NYTs already has a transcript of everything that was said, as it was being said. Who’s Bullsh#tting who, here?


    • Don’t masquerade that you read the New York Times brh

      • BackRowHeckler October 11, 2019 at 4:47 pm #

        I already admitted I’ve been bringing home the Sunday edition from work. They’re laying around the plant so I can pick a copy up for free.

        • benr October 12, 2019 at 11:49 am #

          Ah the paper of record so many stories proven wrong and the retraction is somewhere in the middle of the rubbish.
          More truth is in Grimm’s faery tales.

        • elysianfield October 12, 2019 at 1:28 pm #

          “They’re laying around the plant so I can pick a copy up for free”.

          Why do I get the impression that you own the plant in which you work? What does the plant do?

    • Majella October 12, 2019 at 4:41 pm #

      Are you referring to the Ambassador’s opening statement which she herself released to the Press? Not exactly the secret part of the day’s proceedings…

    • Nightowl October 13, 2019 at 5:02 am #

      Of course secrecy is a hallmark of honesty. Secret sources, secret “whistleblowers,” secret hearings.

      It’s all being done to ensure that the public is well-informed. Honestly.

  32. Pucker October 11, 2019 at 4:13 pm #

    What Xi Jinping did to counter the Jiang Zemin Shanghai Gang’s corruption of the “Judicial” bureaucracy and to go after Jiang Zemin is that Xi Jinping created his own new investigative organ, the Central Discipline Inspection Commission, and staffed it with his people, principally, Wang Qishan, to do an end run around the corrupt judicial apparatus under the Shanghai Gang sleaze ball, Zhou Yongkang. I don’t know if this option is available to Trump to go after the corrupt Deep State, Wall Street Clinton Gang?


  33. Pucker October 11, 2019 at 4:38 pm #

    What do you think of the TV show “The Walton’s”?

    The Americans have a long TV viewing history of TV shows about American family life. First, “My Three Sons”, “The Brady Bunch”, “Good Times” (black people); “The Jefferson’s” (more black people); “Sanford & Son” (black people again); “All in the Family”; “Little House on the Prairie”; “The Andy Griffith Show”; “The Brady Bunch”; “The Munsters”; “Make’n It” (the divorced single parent mother family of just daughters); “Maude” ( the middle aged white lesbian), “The Partridge Family” (like the Brady Bunch, a bunch of closet druggies and sex addicts headed into the abyss), etc.

    With regard to “The Walton’s”, it used to be that a woman was content when her devoted husband gave his wife a burlap sack to wear and brought home a possum for the family dinner.

    • Just wait until digital technology maps these old shows onto three dimensional virtual reality environments and you can spend the afternoon on the island with Ginger, the Professor, the Skipper, and Marianne

      • Pucker October 11, 2019 at 5:08 pm #

        I’m going to “Give It” to Mary Ann and Ginger after I shoot the Skipper, the Professor, Mr. Howell, and Gilligan with my Dirty Harry .44 magnum…..

        • Pucker October 11, 2019 at 5:11 pm #

          Mary Ann and that “Coconut Cream Pie” metaphor was such a Prick Tease….

          • In the virtual reality arcade, though, Gilligan always plunges a knife in your back right before you can do the deed.

            Thats what keeps gamers coming back and plugging quarters

          • Pucker October 11, 2019 at 6:21 pm #

            “Hey Gilligan! Have you ever read William Golding’s book “Lord of the Flies”?”

        • elysianfield October 12, 2019 at 1:32 pm #

          “I’m going to “Give It” to Mary Ann and Ginger”

          And what of the newly widowed Howell? Equal time must be given to keep the harem complacent/compliant.

      • toktomi October 12, 2019 at 12:31 am #

        @Lil Snack Pack

        The evil ship flying the Jolly Pedo Roger carrying all the high tech evil with which to slay the masses has just run aground for lack of propulsion. So, AI, G5, chip implants, and crypto currencies will have to step aside for a simple grid down. Say, good-night, Gracie.


    • ellipsis October 11, 2019 at 6:17 pm #

      I always wanted to see Grandpa hold John Boy down and burn that mole out on his cheek with with a glowing hot fire stick. “Hush up and hold still now boy! This won’t hurt but a bit!”

  34. 25. Gas tax
    26. Head tax
    27. Road paint striping tax.
    28. Road network tax.
    29. Speed Tax.
    30. Vape taxes
    31. Alcohol taxes
    32. Cigarette taxes
    33. Specific pollutant 1
    34. Specific pollutant 2
    35. Specific pollutant 3
    36. Specific pollutant 4
    37. Specific pollutant etc,…

    Revenue potential Trans taxes.

    Model: Pass through entity

    Method: blockchain contract

    Strategy: Tax end-to-end.Tax production, processing, distribution, and consumption

    Result: Apply 4% of GDP to Debt payment beginning year one with $1.2 trillion

    Solved… Financial crisis averted, energy transition initiated.

    • JohnAZ October 11, 2019 at 11:03 pm #

      The cost of administering all this taxation gobble gook would outweigh the receipts.

      Laffers curve, look it up, says that increasing taxation increases federal revenue to a point then rapidly depresses revenue due to its negative effects on the economy.

      Finding this point should be the job of a wise government.

      Anybody know where there is one?

      • Hold up, John. The pass through entity takes care of that. The feds never touch the money.

        • elysianfield October 12, 2019 at 1:38 pm #

          “The pass through entity”

          You could use the same phrase to describe your products…you know, those that flies will not land upon.

  35. Q. Shtik October 11, 2019 at 4:43 pm #


    I haven’t read the comments yet so if someone already mentioned this I apologize.

    When you said $22,837 trillion did you intend that comma to be a period?

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  36. BackRowHeckler October 11, 2019 at 4:45 pm #

    Happy ‘National Coming Out Day’, CFNers.

    The Gay voting block might shoot up to 2.5% of the polity from the current 2.4%. Nevertheless, Dem candidates spent 4 hours sucking up to this distinguished group of voters on CNN last night. It went as about you might imagine.

    President Buttgieg meeting Commissar Putin in the Kremlin for the first time. Shakes Putins hand, “My name is Pete, him, he”. Putin looks puzzled. “And this is my husband, Chasten, her, she”. Putin says something in Russian, which translates too “What the f#kk?”.


    • Happy National Coming in Day as well, seeing as how LGBTQA+ oppression is criteria for legitimate asylum claims.

      • Nightowl October 11, 2019 at 6:08 pm #

        Add the P; you know you want to.

        • Definitely no P’s. Speaking of pedophiles…

          The national coalition against child brides is ramping up advocacy with a full page print ad in the New York Times.

          Will the well-fed residents of certain New England states step up to the plate and demand their legislators make it official?

          • Nightowl October 11, 2019 at 6:24 pm #

            So the Paper of Refuse took their money.

            Impressive levels of advocacy.

          • BackRowHeckler October 11, 2019 at 8:23 pm #

            Uganda plans to impose the death penalty for homosexual activity.

            Isn’t Uganda where Idi Amin was president for life?

            President Buttplug and his husband Chasten will not be visiting Uganda on his Presidential Apology Tour (apologizing to Africa for the slave trade)


          • JohnAZ October 11, 2019 at 10:58 pm #

            BRH Remember Iran’s President stating there were no homosexuals in IRAN because they were all executed?

            I would love to see Buttigieg in negotiations with the Ayatollah, the Ayatollah trying to figure out how to chop his head off.

          • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 8:59 am #


            “BRH Remember Iran’s President stating there were no homosexuals in IRAN because they were all executed?”

            On the previous thread someone dumped one of those long excerpts from an article of whose brilliance we were supposed to be in awe, in which the (American) writer claimed that when he was young there were no homosexuals. At that point I realised I was reading the words of a moron. I imagine the man was just too ignorant or too stupid to have any idea, for example, how many of his parents’ generation didn’t die needlessly, thanks to the efforts of Alan Turing. Alan who?

            From what I recall, a few people thought the article was amazing.

            People need to grow up. It’s a shame that your country is so needlessly polarised between attention seekers and those who need to invent their own reality, or unthinkingly follow a hand-me-down reality they are incapable of critiquing rationally. But that seems to be the way you folks do things.

            Mind you, the Iranians (the numpties in charge anyway) are good at creating their own reality too. There’s a huge market in transgender surgery because it’s apparently better to be a transgender woman than a gay man. The knots some people get tied up in because they can’t cope with reality…

          • benr October 12, 2019 at 12:08 pm #

            But love is love you have every other weird kink in there why not allow the abuse of children and while we are at it animals!
            The nambla people are pushing hard and we already have story time with a drag queen!

            We can’t fall much further into the sewer now can we?

          • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 12:59 pm #

            benr, you’re being ridiculous. I’m not taking my grandson to any drag queen events (a. we don’t have them, b. they’re bonkers, but c. he’d probably just giggle), but if you think you’re going to link bestiality, child abuse and sewers with either my gay nephew or my husband’s gay niece, you can your insanity and stuff it etc. etc. With all due respect.

          • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 1:00 pm #

            *take* your…

          • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 1:06 pm #

            Alan Turing committed suicide because of people who talk like you, benr, except back then the bigotry was institutionalised. He even took the trouble to make it look as if it could possibly have been an accident, so that his mother might be deluded into thinking he hadn’t taken his own life.

          • elysianfield October 12, 2019 at 1:42 pm #

            “Uganda plans to impose the death penalty for homosexual activity.

            Isn’t Uganda where Idi Amin was president for life?”

            You know, Idi Amin enjoyed ritual cannibalism. I suppose, then, that he also enjoyed the tube steak that might have been offered….

            Gobbling tube steak is considered a homosexual act in some venues….

          • elysianfield October 12, 2019 at 1:58 pm #

            “The nambla people are pushing hard…”

            Jesus, decorum please…pushing hard, indeed. A word picture I cannot get out of my head….

          • benr October 12, 2019 at 11:40 pm #


            My point was that the boundaries have been pushed about as far as “normal” people can take.
            At what point do we as a society say ENOUGH?
            I don’t care about =Alan Touring off himself for being queer.
            I am not part of that problem how ever living in San Diego I have had about enough of obnoxious gay people and their “pride” events.
            Your sexuality is part of you it does not and should not define you and if it does you are very shallow.

          • GreenAlba October 13, 2019 at 4:59 pm #


            “I don’t care about =Alan Touring off himself for being queer.”

            Then I don’t care about your excesses born of decades (centuries) of bigotry and oppression against normal gay people like Alan Turing. If they’d been left to live their lives you wouldn’t be seeing the excesses you’re seeing now, because it wouldn’t be a ‘thing’.

            And he did ‘off himself for being queer’. He ‘offed himself’ because he was made to choose between incarceration + shame, or chemical castration, as a result of just being himself, by ignorant bigots. And that after saving the lives of millions of people in the Allied nations.

          • GreenAlba October 13, 2019 at 5:00 pm #

            And he *didn’t*…

    • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 8:29 am #

      It’s OK, brh, we know a real man when we see one.


      Even better when the bromance is strong…


      I wonder if the real man is the one not afraid to show his moobs.

      I pay no attention to your Pete B. person, but he’s very lucky he doesn’t live in Russia. They have real men there who hunt gay men (and women) for sport. And sometimes kill them.


      I listened to a Russian woman sitting at home with her female partner recounting what happened to her. They were two young women who looked like any other two young women. They did everything they could not to stand out or be noticed, But, despite that, one of them was stabbed in the stomach in the street by some real man who knew she wasn’t heterosexual like his brave, real-man self.

      After she came out of hospital she went to the police (in a civilised country, of course, the police would have been at the scene or at least at the hospital) and the police officer told her the police weren’t there for ‘people like her’ so she had to go home and the attacker got off scot free, as you’d expect in a society full of real men.

      I can see how you’d admire that kind of society, brh, but I’m a bit sad that you do. The kind of talk I read on here on the subject is what my brothers would have heard at school when they were 14. But they’re grown-ups now.

      • hmuller October 12, 2019 at 10:35 am #

        Oh Green Alba, you certainly like to get yourself worked up into a lather over some cherry picked anecdotal incident. But you never give a rat’s ass about the many incidents of Moslem refugees in Europe stabbing, killing, and raping the native population. And please don’t tell me it’s because the local police are so zealously on the case. Usually, they’re not.

        • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 11:36 am #

          “But you never give a rat’s ass about the many incidents of Moslem refugees in Europe stabbing, killing, and raping the native population”

          May I call you a liar? Yes, I think I will, hm. But thanks for the star lesson in whatboutery.

        • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 11:36 am #

          Don’t tell me what I think or what I care about, unless I tell you what it is or isn’t. Thanks. You can be better than Janos, really you can.

        • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 11:38 am #

          And do tell us about those ‘many incidents’ where the police were or are not on the case.

          Here’s the very latest one, hot off the press:


        • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 11:40 am #

          ” you certainly like to get yourself worked up into a lather”

          And you seem to be one of those people who uses language in a rather devious way. Like a gaslighter. Sort of.

          • hmuller October 12, 2019 at 11:45 am #

            Wow, 4 separate postings. You must be quite discombobulated.

          • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 11:58 am #

            You’re doing it again, hmuller 🙂

          • benr October 12, 2019 at 12:12 pm #

            @ ga

            No he does seem to have got under your skin.

          • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 12:17 pm #

            Keep dreaming, benr. I don’t like false accusers, obviously, or indeed gaslighters. But once I’ve replied to them, they’re forgotten. Life continues off-blog, benr. Just off for a cuppa. If you were nearer I’d offer you one too. And hm. 🙂

          • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 12:23 pm #

            I suspect too, benr, that hm would offer me a cuppa too. I think of him as someone who might have a hissy fit for 30 seconds, then forget about it, but that’s just my imagination. I think mostly people on here would be surprised at how normal they’d find one another offline. The internet does a ‘thing’ to people. 🙂


          • hmuller October 12, 2019 at 12:26 pm #

            What’s that song? “I’ve got you under my skin” I can be fiberglass under someone’s skin. But I only mean it in a loving way.

            I am not in favor of stabbing lesbians. Are we sure that was the motivation here as opposed to a crazy man stabbing random women?

            Correct if I’m wrong, (and I know you will without my asking), in the past when migrants victimized white Europeans, you were always the one who said it could be ordinary street crime, not motivated by racial or cultural tensions. You always insisted the racial hate-crime aspect be proven. This in a world where most newspapers cover up the ethnic identity of the assailant, more so his motive.

            Yet we must assume lesbian hatred in your example. Is this fair play?

          • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 12:52 pm #

            I will correct you, hm, because you are largely wrong.

            I object to assumptions and I will point out they are assumptions while they still are. I am well aware – and have said that I am well aware – that refugees and asylum seekers have killed, raped and robbed people. As have our own citizens, of course, in hugely greater numbers, but it’s always more galling if an outsider does it, and even more so an outsider that you’ve invited into your country (even if it wasn’t you personally).

            Janos or someone mentioned the Scottish incident where a young African refugee was being deported for embezzlement or something and invited me to share in the supposed tears of Scottish women protesting for clemency. I feel no such clemency in these matters. If you come as a refugee or immigrant and you blot your copybook (I’m not talking about stupid things like traffic offences – or indeed evil things like being fitted up by dishonest authorities for the purposes of deportation), then you go back where you came from. And good riddance.

            I could say more, but I hope you get my drift. We had the same with the Skripals, whose dozy attackers have been identified as members of the GRU. If it were not them, the Russians would only need to parade the two GRU officers in question (one of whom was identified to her whole village by his grandmother, who has now disappeared!), side by side with the two *cough* tourists, but have you seen them do that? No, me neither. So, in that case too, I merely pointed out that we didn’t know. Because we didn’t.

            But if the media are covering up the ethnic identities of perpetrators, that’s obviously not right. Unless someone is underage, I haven’t seen that happening here. There were issues on a very recent thread where it was insisted that something hadn’t been reported when it had. I check these things up when I feel the urge and put the record straight.

            And yes, the women was stabbed in a homophobic attack. And if you read the article I linked to you’ll see such attitudes are common in Russia (the article was from the South China Morning Post, not the Guardian). The report I watched actually showed gay people being hounded by authorities after arranging functions legally and officially.

            But you’d still be welcome to a cup of tea, hm. I think I’d surprise you as not remotely what you imagine.

          • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 12:53 pm #

            If someone shouts homophobic insults at you while they’re attacking you, I think you can claim it’s a homophobic attack. And they generally do (shout insults I mean).

          • hmuller October 12, 2019 at 1:09 pm #

            GA, did anyone shout homophobic slurs at Grigoyeva as they killed her? No evidence of that. In fact we don’t know who killed her or why. It could have been a jealous ex-lover.

            Is Pila for real? It could be a false flag anti-gay hate group funded by George Soros. Ever hear of Jussie Smollett and false flag hate crimes?

            These globalists are very skilled at sewing paranoia and division among people.

          • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 8:58 pm #

            “It could be a false flag anti-gay hate group funded by George Soros. ”

            Absolutely, hm. Reductio ad Sorosum. Always. When in doubt…

          • hmuller October 13, 2019 at 12:32 am #

            Ok to wax honest for a moment, GA. My subjective gut reaction says those Russian women were most likely victims of gay-bashing. Of course, the evidence in not incontrovertible. Indeed, how can it be when the authorities won’t do a proper job of investigating.

            My gut tells me Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and/or John Podesta ordered a hit on Marc Rich for leaking all those e-mails to Julian Assange. But I can’t prove it in a court of law. Who could when the police closed the case without a proper investigation.

            My gut tells me Jeffrey Epstein did not “commit suicide” all by himself. But what can I prove when the authorities have control over the evidence?

            My gut says a lot of things. Such as we live in a world where the authorities are wretched criminals doing many dirty deeds and getting away with it. They have an advantage, controlling law enforcement, the courts, the investigators and regulators.

            So when the naive and the disingenuous scream out “Conspiracy theory! You can’t prove anything”, it frustrates me. So I was subjecting you to the same kind of treatment, i.e. “if you can’t prove it, it’s not true.”

          • hmuller October 13, 2019 at 8:30 am #

            Oops brainfart. Change “Marc Rich” to “Seth Rich”

    • malthuss October 13, 2019 at 11:14 am #

      Deb posts you are a ‘blue collar stiff’–keep up the good work.

  37. Pucker October 11, 2019 at 4:46 pm #

    I suspect that subconsciously in the “Reality” TV show “The Apprentice” that the Show was basically about lost young people looking for the guidance and stability of a “Daddy”, who was Trump, the father figure who made the contestants on the show and the passive, and the financially, emotionally, and socially insecure audience treble in fear, but yet made them feel safe and secure post 9-11? “The term “Apprentice”, implies a Father-Son tutelage relationship, right? The Society is rather Fucked Up mentally?

    • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 9:09 am #

      “and the financially, emotionally, and socially insecure audience treble in fear…”

      Crikey. You’d better try not to scare those unsavoury Hispanics that keep coming your way – the population is high enough already.

      Sounds a bit like the John Hurt scene in Aliens.

      • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 9:11 am #


  38. Pucker October 11, 2019 at 5:23 pm #

    Do you remember when Mr. Spock would stand next to Uhuru on the bridge of the Enterprise and show her legs off to Spock and when no one was looking she’d surreptitiously open her thighs on her short 1960’s miniskirt to give Spock a peak at her little pink vagina? And then Spock would go ape shirt and order the homosexual Sulu to go barreling Warp Factor 10 into the Forbidden Zone? And then the Image of Elon Musk really Stoned on Weed would appear on the Big Screen…

    • tucsonspur October 11, 2019 at 6:00 pm #

      Yeah, Spock was a member of the light years high and fast club.
      Lost all reason and nailed her at Warp Nine. He was never the same.

    • ellipsis October 11, 2019 at 6:09 pm #

      …While Scotty exclaims to Kirk, observing idly off to the side with a bemused grin on his face, “She can’t take this much longer Captain! She’s gonna blow!” “Exactly what I’m hoping for Scotty. But don’t worry, the ship will be fine.”

      LOL! Now that’s a reality I can believe in!

  39. tucsonspur October 11, 2019 at 5:27 pm #

    “The craziness of the Trump era — which is distributed pretty equally between both factions — represents the failure of all involved to cope with the mandates of reality, which really exist despite the illusions of our realty television zeitgeist.”

    Agree on the failure of all involved to cope with the mandates of reality.

    Since the Democrats have gone coup crazy,the craziness is not distributed equally. Coup crazy combined with TDS and an addled agenda give the Dems the nod for the nut house.

    • One day the authorities will lift Trump up by the armpits and carry him kicking and screaming out of the Oval office to the surprise of no one


      • Nightowl October 11, 2019 at 6:06 pm #

        The fantasy of a McResister.

        Have a Pepsi.

        • Majella October 12, 2019 at 3:43 am #

          Hmm. Every post I can recall from you of late is some level of irrational denial, deployed in a lame attempt to defend the indefensible Leader.

          You’re so sadly lost to Cult, Nightowl, degrees out the wazoo and all notwithstanding.

          • benr October 12, 2019 at 12:15 pm #

            There is cult and there is CULT but there is no one like The Cult.


            Speaking of cults the one you belong to is way out there in leftist field of regrets and fits of impotent rage.

            But but

          • Nightowl October 13, 2019 at 5:12 am #

            When do you provide concrete evidence for your claims?

            I ask you multiple times in every thread.

            Yet all I ever get are links to Chunk Yoghurt and Vox.

      • tucsonspur October 11, 2019 at 6:17 pm #

        He’s a load. Four or five authorities?

        Did you see him last night? Absolutely effulgent.

        Noo Yawker to the bone. Rude, Crude, and Lewd. But right now he’s the Dude.

        God, how they loved him.

        • BackRowHeckler October 11, 2019 at 7:42 pm #

          Tough, charismatic New York poll, like Boss Tweed, or Mayor Jimmy Walker. Little rough around the edges, maybe little corrupt, so what? All the better.

          One for the ages.

          Hail Trump!!!


          • tucsonspur October 12, 2019 at 2:25 am #

            Presidential now means something different. No longer will we be fooled by the slick shysters in suits or the Harvard grad hustlers. Or the hand shakers holding a hidden dagger. Or the smooth talking backslappers or those phony politicians who, “when they’re not out kissing babies, they’re stealing their lollipops.”

            To hell with regal raiment, abhorrent, empty articulation, and pompous, pretentious prevarication.

            Hail the Golden Gadfly of Gotham!! Hail the Mighty Trump!!

          • BackRowHeckler October 12, 2019 at 6:37 am #


            You have a way with words, my friend.

        • Majella October 12, 2019 at 3:47 am #


          “To hell with regal raiment, abhorrent, empty articulation, and pompous, pretentious prevarication.”

          That’s precisely what *I* saw in Minneapolis – from your Cult Leader, surrounded by RWNJs, gurgling the Kool-aid.

          • benr October 12, 2019 at 12:21 pm #

            Verses what the fools that cried when Oblamer got elected?

            Watch this and learn about fools.


          • Exscotticus October 12, 2019 at 1:10 pm #

            You address me yet quote tucsonspur? Do you now have Exscotticus Derangement Syndrome in addition to TDS?

            Your side didn’t drink the Kool-Aid when Bernie Sanders was made to join Hillary on stage and kiss her ring before the entire world?

            Trump’s events? As opposed to Hillary’s events with rappers dropping F- and N-bombs for hours? Rapping racist, misogynist, bigoted lyrics to the twerking delight of all Dems present?

        • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 9:19 am #

          I find it amusing that teenagers are held to be too stupid and naive to have the right to open their mouths when it comes to the climate or guns – but if they’re acting like over-excited cheerleaders round a rightwing narcissist political leader they’re suddenly wise beyond their years. 🙂

          I’m not hearing anyone say ‘why are those irresponsible parents weaponising their children by taking them to Trump rallies?’. Odd, that.

          • benr October 12, 2019 at 12:25 pm #

            The only ones behaving like fools were the incoherent brain dead climate protestors.

          • Tate October 12, 2019 at 12:33 pm #

            I tend to agree with you Green Alba. Teenagers shouldn’t be allowed the vote or anything else involving responsibility except for training-wheel exercises. You yourself alluded to ‘what you’d expect from a class of 14 year olds’ in a comment above. I don’t know who was saying that teenagers at a Trump rally were acting like “they’re suddenly wise beyond their years,” but clearly teenagers don’t have the maturity to know a lot about the world. But we know now that the brain doesn’t even mature fully until about the age of 25. If anything, we should be raising the age of participation in elections to about that age or even older. Restricting the franchise is only a small part of reforming the system of illusions under which we live.

          • Janos Skorenzy October 12, 2019 at 3:09 pm #

            There are already calls to remedy that – to get them voting. It all makes “sense”. One illusion calls for another in terms of foolish consistency. They must prop each other up. Thus is the Path downwards.

            You project this phenomena onto us while it’s FAR more of a Leftist thing. Typical Leftist or Alba behavior.

          • Majella October 12, 2019 at 5:04 pm #

            ‘’The people who got mad at or threatened by Greta Thunberg’s anger and emotionalism and called it childish and immature are the same people are the same people who applauded Bret Kavanaugh’s anger and emotionalism and called it righteous indignation.’’
            Ed Solomon.

          • Janos Skorenzy October 12, 2019 at 5:16 pm #

            Ed Solomon. Now there’s a name that inspires trust. Kavanaugh had a right to be outraged. He was being slandered. That’s different than believing some autistic 16yr old cult leader. She only makes sense to you because you never grew past that stage. Don’t feel bad – most women don’t.

          • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 9:06 pm #

            Your insults are getting tired and prosaic, Janos.

            And, while we’re here, the singular of phenomena is phenomenon. Like criterion.

            Offered only as a kindness, you being so proud of that white language an’ all. If Greeks come bearing gifts, it’s only polite to look after them when you take them in.

            You’re welcome.

          • hmuller October 13, 2019 at 12:39 am #

            OK GA, Janos did take a gratuitous swipe at women, But I have to agree that it’s silly to compare Greta’s rant to Kavanaugh defending himself from a deep state lynch party.

            A better comparison is Greta to the lynch party – both armed with lies and bullshit.

          • Majella October 13, 2019 at 1:51 am #


            Ha! Nasty little fascist…

        • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 9:26 am #

          Not that I care, obviously, unless he starts a war his UK poodle gets embroiled in. I hope he gets re-elected. You shouldn’t abandon a pack of antibiotics before it’s finished, or you end up making the bugs stronger. I’m glad he’s not ours, though, just the same. His golf course disrupting a dune system of special scientific interest is enough for us. And without the jobs he promised. Well, knock me down with a feather.

          • BackRowHeckler October 12, 2019 at 10:14 am #

            Uh oh

            China contracting to build 300 coal fired power plants in Viet Nam, Indonesia, NKorea, Egypt and Kenya, by 2025.

            Not to be outdone, on the domestic front, it has been revealed China will be building 1 coal fired power plant every 2 weeks from now till 2030.

            GA, someone needs to inform the fanatics at XC that city government in London cannot do anything about this; what they need to do is bring their disruptive street theater to the streets of Beijing, blocking traffic, glueing themselves to the pavement, shutting down retail and so on. They need to be where it really counts. Let’s face it, UK is a backwater. The whole island could sink into the North Atlantic tomorrow and it wouldn’t affect the climate one bit. But reading The Guardian, who have gone balls to the wall on climate change, it seems the London protests aren’t really about ‘Climate’ but something else.


          • hmuller October 12, 2019 at 10:19 am #

            The deep state, intelligence agencies, military-industrial complex (pentagon plus defense contractors) and so-called neo-cons are the warmongers. They are a state within a state and very hard to control – short of martial law and mass executions.

            You give Trump no credit for trying to reign in the monstrous globalist policy of unending warfare. A policy the hand-puppet Obama was happy to rubber stamp.

          • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 11:52 am #

            brh, I’ve tried about 10 times to reply to you and ‘it’ just won’t let me – not under the comment and not at the end. Each time I press ‘reply’ it tells me I’ve posted it already (if only) or nothing at all. I’ll try later…


          • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 11:53 am #

            It didn’t like my smiley shrugger either. 🙁

          • hmuller October 12, 2019 at 12:17 pm #

            You must have angered the gods of the internet, GA!

          • benr October 12, 2019 at 12:26 pm #

            Yes please when Beijing rolls c02 belching tanks over them and squishes them into jelly I want to watch with a big tub of popcorn.

  40. AKlein October 11, 2019 at 6:12 pm #

    Speaking of the government falling apart at the seams, I’ve noticed that red lights and stop signs are just suggestions that may freely be ignored without consequence. Speed limits are also suggestions. In the early morning when I’m on the interstate going to work, 80 to 85 MPH in 55 MPH zones is not uncommon. Also, driving on the shoulder when traffic is slow, that’s OK too. All of the aforementioned is probably a small indicator of what’s to come. No rules, just right.

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  41. Pucker October 11, 2019 at 6:13 pm #

    Some Asshole nicked my Matt Taibbi book off my bookshelf….


  42. San Jose October 11, 2019 at 6:23 pm #

    Now I’ve seen it all. The UK’s Sun published pictures of darling teenage girls shedding tears of joy at last night’s Trump rally in Minnesota! Is this the start of new chapter of Beatlemania?

    Who needs regular television shows when we have daily twists and turns of the Trump show? Decorum was out the window when Trump mocked Peter Strzok and Lisa Page’s supposed post-coital bedtime chatter about Hillary’s seeming inevitable 2016 victory.

    Today my mother wants me to buy her a “Where’s Hunter” T-Shirt. Long gone are the days when we watched “Dallas” and wondered who shot J.R. Ewing.


    • tucsonspur October 11, 2019 at 6:45 pm #

      Good for your mom!

      Here he is, down with the people.


      Look at the petty men walking under his huge legs. May they soon find those dishonorable graves.

      “They all play on the penny whistle, you can hear them blow.”

      • Majella October 12, 2019 at 5:11 pm #

        He’s a grandmaster troller, I’ll give him that. It poses as ‘smart’ humor and sucks in all sorts of teenaged boys & teenaged men for sure! That’s why bent is so enamored of the fool.

        His demise will be quite a sight to see.

        • Nightowl October 13, 2019 at 5:17 am #

          The amusing part is that in that clip, he does nothing other than describe actual text messages of actual FBI agents plotting an actual coup to remove an elected president.

          My advice to you is to engage in critical thinking. You will find your emotional outbursts become fewer, and you will actually have factual material to back up your opinions when needed.

    • benr October 12, 2019 at 12:29 pm #

      Nothing is worse than:


      • Tate October 12, 2019 at 12:51 pm #

        Yes, the Magic Mulatto was going to save us. How many fell for the hope & change sleight-of-hand? Is it any wonder the general public has become jaded & cynical? Only the true believers like Majello, ‘janet’, Paul, & the Cap’n are left to ululate for their icons.

        • Majella October 12, 2019 at 5:18 pm #

          ‘Ululate for their icons’?

          Tate, please point to ANY post I’ve ever made in here that PRAISES or in anyway idolises any democrat? Go on…what? Nothing? Go figure.

          The efflugent praise for Trump in here, combined with the incandescent hatred & loathing of Obama & HRC, surely points to the truth, that it’s you RWNJs that have the delusional issues.

          • Nightowl October 14, 2019 at 7:51 am #

            Heh. Maybe there is a reason?

            Have you ever considered that some of us were like you once — to a degree, at least?

            I am a Green Party member (officially), and I even put my money where my mouth was when it came to my dislike of US culture and my opinions regarding many of our bloody international adventures — I moved to Europe to get away.

            Yet, IMO, Trump is one of the most honest men to hit national-level US political politics since I was born. And our corporate media is beyond corrupt.

            Perhaps you should have a good long think about who you personally attack here. Your desire to lump your “enemies” into a corner speaks to the level to which your brain has been befuddled by media bullshit.

      • Majella October 12, 2019 at 5:13 pm #

        Get over it! He’s GONE, ffs…so has HRC.

        • benr October 12, 2019 at 11:47 pm #

          How little you understand!
          That simple post speaks volumes to what you fail to understand.
          Best part it is there for all to see.
          From henceforth you are relegated to the dustbin when it comes to all things politics!
          Obama has shut his yap for good reason he is afraid of more than a nasty tweet from the Donald at this point!
          Don’t FOR ONE SECOND think both him and Hillary are not manipulating things behind the scenes.

          • Majella October 13, 2019 at 1:56 am #

            Dream your life in a wild irreality, benr. Your delusional Worldview will eventually be shown to be completely inside the RWNJ universe. I hope your personal employment/financial situation is in good order. I’d hate to learn you’d ended up living under a bridge with all those you detest so much.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 12, 2019 at 1:26 pm #

      Worshiping the Fuhrer and idolizing accomplished Men is far more healthy than doing the same with pop stars or pro-athletes. Young Girls should worship the Leader. It’s healthy. Trump doesn’t deserve this though since he hasn’t fulfilled his promises.

      Remember Caesar worship was not imposed from above, but rather grew from below. The People want a Living God. But they need to choose a good one, not a Jim Jones. Trump isn’t that bad of course but his lack of action will lead to mayhem on a far greater scale.

      • elysianfield October 12, 2019 at 2:40 pm #

        ” Trump doesn’t deserve this though since he hasn’t fulfilled his promises. ”

        …Yet. Or as Komaraden Finc would say…Yetski.

        By the way, where is our favorite revanchist?

    • PeteAtomic October 13, 2019 at 10:23 am #

      “Today my mother wants me to buy her a “Where’s Hunter” T-Shirt. ”

      ha ha that’s great

  43. Pucker October 11, 2019 at 6:35 pm #

    Are you one of those blokes who likes the catch the “Enemy” “Off-Guard?

    Are you one of those blokes who likes the catch the “Enemy” “With-Their-Pants-Down”?

    Are you one of those blokes who likes the catch the “Enemy” standing there “With-Just-His-Cock-In-His-Hand”?

    How did Jesus outsmart Satan using guile and subterfuge?

  44. Jihadi Colin October 11, 2019 at 7:13 pm #

    I think it’s fairly clear that, economic collapse or no, the Wall Street/City of London economic vampires and their media stooges are already preparing to do away with elections. We heard it after Trump won and again after the Brexit vote: people can’t be depended on to vote for the “right side”, so something has to be done about that. We saw how the Greek anti austerity plebiscite was ignored and how the Catalan secessionist referendum was crushed. As an Indian, much as I despise the Modi regime and though I voted against it in 2014 and again in 2019, I can tell you that democracy is more acceptable in the so called “Third World” than in the “developed” countries.

  45. Pucker October 11, 2019 at 8:11 pm #

    A Power Vacuum may arise as the escalating US – China conflict splits the US National Security Deep State between the Deep State Faction whose jobs and power depend upon Russia being the “Enemy”, and a new nascent Faction whose jobs and careers look to China as the new “Enemy” to replace Russia? It looks like the Democratic voters will likely choose Elizabeth Warren, in which case, the Corporations will dump the Democratic Party to support Trump, thereby creating a fractured Democratic Party floundering in the water. This is Chris Hedges’ prediction in his book “America: The Farewell Tour”. A Power Vacuum is a rather dangerous situation…. Voids demand to be filled….

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  46. Pucker October 11, 2019 at 8:18 pm #

    American corporations are now reacting to the Xenophobic “White Terror” in China being trying to appear “Anti-American”.

    This doesn’t appear unusual to the Americans because white Americans are so used to apologizing for being White Americans (“White Privilege”).

    I wish them the Best-of-Luck with that strategy in China.

    • BackRowHeckler October 11, 2019 at 8:40 pm #

      Got a book around here about the Boxer Rebellion.

      It’s been awhile since I read it, European and American legations, merchants, business people and missionaries surrounded by tens of thousands of Chinese soldiers and rebels trying to kill them.

      Japanese, German, Russian, British, Sihk and American troops (1st Marines, 9th Infantry) fought their way in and saved the day.


      • Pucker October 11, 2019 at 9:10 pm #

        Hint: The Modus Operandi of the Chinese Communist Party is to select a Target group and then to concentrate fire on the Target until the Target is “Exterminated” (“Mie le”), and then move on to the next Target. It’s not a diverse, multicultural society wherein a target group can survive by apologizing and groveling. Get the Picture?

        • BackRowHeckler October 11, 2019 at 9:27 pm #

          I think I get the picture: Hans Chinese do not grovel and apologize for their own existence like Whitey does in the United States and Western Europe. Does that about sum it up?


          • Pucker October 11, 2019 at 9:40 pm #

            Well, I think that for the Chinese what you need is a hierarchical social system wherein everyone has his bit of dignity (“Face”) and the subordinates can grovel without appearing to grovel? People grovel in different ways. For example, much of the anti-American, xenophobia hysteria in China now, to a certain extent, may not be entirely genuine and may be Chinese people pretending to be anti-American? This is a feature of tot..tal..Italian societies, and is reflected in the confessing “White Privilege” phenomena in the US, which, to a certain extent, makes the US now somewhat proto-tot…tal..itarian. In any case, this pretending is a kind of face-saving groveling to authority, and the power holders know this. A sadomasochistic political system requires groveling.

          • Pucker October 11, 2019 at 9:43 pm #

            The Joker – You have to wear a mask to tell the Truth….

          • Pucker October 11, 2019 at 9:57 pm #

            “It’s all about the pleasures of coercion.”


          • Pucker October 11, 2019 at 10:16 pm #

            I grovel, but it’s not obvious because it’s ritualized. The Chinese are into Ritual, Big Time…. It’s a Confucian “Thang”. If you know how to perform the Ritual, which is integral to the social hierarchy, then we’re considered a “Gentleman” (“Junzi”), which is a good “Thang”. So it’s a paradox: It’s groveling, but it’s not.

          • elysianfield October 12, 2019 at 2:43 pm #

            “This is a feature of tot..tal..Italian societies”

            Yo! Adrian!!!

  47. Billy Hill October 11, 2019 at 8:28 pm #

    This week’s metaphor: Death in the Afternoon.

    Add ‘US President” to Hemingway’s list of Sports.

    Preferred Final Solution executed by lone gunman with middle name.

    Was McKinley this predictable?

    Military coup? Cue laugh track. Bought, paid, check cashed.

    Elvis has left the building.

    • Trump will remain politically dangerous outside of DC. And certainly relevant for the rest of his life. Which means “they” can’t allow it….

      So, after the state funeral, what happens?

      Deeper Deep state moves Trump back in… staging a return from a literal grave, triggering mass conversions to Evangelical faith in a wave of adoration and we end up with Trump as God-Emperor and the House & Senate kneel in awe.

      • Billy Hill October 12, 2019 at 7:34 am #

        “They” have a lot of popular support.

        The Evangelicals have been leaving the bus.

        No resurrection this time.

        • This is an interesting perspective and one that I did not anticipate. You think they will be split among other candidates?

          And wouldn’t they coalesce around Pence should an impeachment or resignation remove Trump from office?

  48. Pucker October 11, 2019 at 10:39 pm #

    Did the Partridge Family ever play Harlem?

    • BackRowHeckler October 11, 2019 at 10:49 pm #


      They appeared at the Apollo with the Osmonds.

      • BackRowHeckler October 12, 2019 at 1:04 pm #

        Just after the riots in ’68.

        Lineup was the Partridge Family, the Osmonds featuring Donny, and the New Christy Minstrels. They were at the Apollo, in Harlem, ‘helping the community to heal’.

        The ‘Angels’ provided security at Altamont (with disastrous results, but that’s who Jagger wanted), well, at the Apollo security was provided by the ‘Panthers’.


        • Janos Skorenzy October 12, 2019 at 1:21 pm #

          Security should have been provided by both the Panthers and the Angels. As a boy I would put red ants and black ants together to watch them fight. My Dad caught me doing it and said it was cruel. I respected that correction. But old Adam lives in me still – thank God.

          • Tate October 12, 2019 at 2:08 pm #

            With hindsight, you could’ve told him that you expected them to make love not war, being sociable insects ‘n all.

          • Janos Skorenzy October 12, 2019 at 2:45 pm #

            Yes, there is complete conflation of inter and intra – as if complete isolationism was the policy of the old Nation States.

  49. GhostOfHam October 11, 2019 at 10:53 pm #

    … About that little passage in the books — well, that little 68-odd square miles of a City State and corporation to which we are all certified, abandoned, ratified, and contracted to goes BANG! and Israel has a few problems too — which may mean we finally get back to being the man or female instead of the titles by color of law so we can return to fixing the pipes and getting the town going as much as we can. 100 strong — like Dmitry says.

    Now here’s the irony: that a imaginative novelist writes that we’re divorced from reality–that we’re adversarial to it; that a plan from imaginative fiction very well might become real to us (after tragedy) as a descriptive path back to the New Testament Law and Jobe’s Christ over Torah and loveless Roman Strict Law.

    Sans Washington.

    That is, if you think it will end there–if we stop taking the left-hand (synister) platonic path down Strauss & Howe to Devilmasters lane again. Otherwise, as P. K. Dick writes —

    “The Entire Never Ends.”

    And the Matrix reloads.

    In China. Or Russia. or ….. forever. Always artfully ass-simulated.

  50. Okay….

    Please form a line at the microphone, and in as few words as possible, answer the question, “Why do you think you’re smarter than 95% of the world’s scientists?”

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    • ellipsis October 12, 2019 at 9:02 am #

      RE: 95% of the world’s scientists. They suffer from groupthink brought on by funding consensus. This is an increasing problem in all the sciences now, as funding becomes more and more politicized. Publishing tends to work the same way as peer pressure inevitably coalesces toward a consensus and not always the correct one. Human beings – including intellectuals – are inherently pack animals, with few daring to risk all by going rogue. Not to say that AGW is necessarily wrong or entirely wrong, but dissenting opinions are increasingly just not funded and heard, and when they are they’re more often than not shouted down. I work at a large scientific institution and I see the process at work every day.

      • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 10:18 am #

        Some other interesting points about funding, ellipsis:


        SSL, if you’re around… you, in particular, might be interested in the trajectory of the author’s Christian pastor husband (still a Christian pastor, don’t worry):


        • SoftStarLight October 12, 2019 at 12:16 pm #

          Yes, it is a shame that new devotions have taken over most of the churches. If it isn’t self-help, psychotherapy, finance and debt management, then its Social Justice, exploration and acceptance of White Privilege and Guilt, and as you see the adoption of Anthropogenic Global Warming Theory as Gospel. Anything and everything but Christ. I have no argument with responsibility and conservation as I have stated so many times. I simply don’t believe AGW theory. Climate is naturally cyclical and often violent. Nature is too. One of the defining features of the human condition is the constant struggle to contain Nature. The Truth is that Nature is ultimately uncontollable and answers to a Force far greater than anything our minds can ponder or comprehend.

          • hmuller October 12, 2019 at 3:37 pm #

            I long for that old time religion – church bingo!

          • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 9:19 pm #

            What a thoroughly silly post, SSL.

            All the guy has done is read proper scientific literature in addition to the denier sites he used to trawl to argue with his scientist wife. He hasn’t done anything to his church or his flock. He’s still a pastorm unless I’ve missed something. You mentioned below his or their money-making presentations – you’re confusing him with his wife. She’s a scientist, not a pastor – she just happens to be a Christian, but that’s not her job.

            Her job is communicating science – are you suggesting she should do it for nothing? Does your pastor work for nothing?

            “I simply don’t believe AGW theory.”

            That’s fine, but don’t insult people who’ve actually read up on the matter as cultists, just because you don’t want to for fear of having to accept it out of intellectual honesty. Just keep on spouting platitudinous nonsense like ‘the climate has always changed; we don’t control the climate’, ad nauseam.

            “The Truth is that Nature is ultimately uncontollable and answers to a Force far greater than anything our minds can ponder or comprehend.”

            Answers to? Really? You mean God could stop Tsunamis killing thousands of people if he really wanted to? Or stop the polar ice melting?

            Interesting philosophy.

          • SoftStarLight October 13, 2019 at 1:11 pm #

            He hasn’t simply adopted a new way of thinking and looking at the world Alba. If only it were that simple. He has adopted a new way of living. He isn’t just a pastor anymore he is a promoter of his wife’s theories. Because her theories are the fashion of the day both he and her are very likely to be out capitalizing on all the new venues they’ll be invited to to advocate their theories. Don’t pretend you didn’t hear the enthusiasm in the video when it was said that this woman can reach so many people of faith and science. It is their gospel, and a trendy and fashionable gospel, but you act like it isn’t.

            Why are you so angry with God? From everything you have posted here it sounds like you are in a good place in life. But when He comes up it seems like you blame Him for everything bad in the world. But would you thank Him for the good things?

          • GreenAlba October 13, 2019 at 5:13 pm #

            I didn’t listen to the video, I only read the article.

            I take it you object to Christian missions teaching secular subjects in schools and nursing in hospitals too. That seems a shame. But basically it’s not for me to say what you do within your churches.

            “Why are you so angry with God? From everything you have posted here it sounds like you are in a good place in life. But when He comes up it seems like you blame Him for everything bad in the world. But would you thank Him for the good things?”

            I really don’t get how your mind works, SSL. How can someone be angry with an entity they don’t believe exists? I don’t blame ‘him’ for anything – I can’t because I haven’t the slightest evidence that he’s ‘there’ and a lifetime’s observation and consideration has led me to the conclusion that ‘he’ is a projection of human aspirations – both good and bad.

            What I get angry with are people who believe something for which there’s not a scrap of evidence (I don’t begrudge them that at all in itself) but describe rational people as ‘cultists’ because they have the nerve to accept scientific evidence WHICH THE DENIERS THEMSELVES REFUSE TO READ. But you can’t help the way your mind has been trained to work – I get that.

        • Janos Skorenzy October 12, 2019 at 1:06 pm #

          Same thing with the Catholic Church. Google “Amazon Synod”, an attempt to fundamentally change to Doctrine of the Church. Apostasy in other words, as Bishop Burke and Branmuller have said.

          All coming at the same time in all denominations and in the secular world. Coincidence? Your mother’s pink pyjamas.

          Alba reassures us that he’s still a Christian pastor. Why? Becuase he calls himself that? Oh deep man, real deep.

          Btw, on my Traditionalist Catholic site, I argue for environmentalism. It’s not either/or. Those bozos end up thinking that to save our souls, we have to let the planet be trashed. Human, all too human. Holding onto one set of facts (in this case sound Doctrine), means the can’t hold onto anything else or take up anything new. The Fathers don’t have the answer on this one since they knew nothing about environmentalism. Yet the monastic ethos of not wasting is certainly in line with it.

          The idea of doing anything new terrifies them, as if God is only the God of the Past and not the Present as well.

          • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 9:28 pm #

            “Alba reassures us that he’s still a Christian pastor. Why? Becuase he calls himself that? Oh deep man, real deep.”

            Are you losing it, Janos? The man’s a pastor, unless you know something that’s not in the article. That’s his job. His wife’s a climate scientist – that’s hers. They talk and discuss things. That’s normal.

            He started to read proper science, rather than sticking with cherry-picking denier sites. That’s great – the world just got a tiny bit less ignorant. Although there’s some way to go.

            But well done on arguing for environmentalism on your site.

          • SoftStarLight October 13, 2019 at 1:27 pm #

            Yes, I feel the way you do. The environment is very important, having both a physical and spiritual purpose. It is all to human to take things to excess and I think that is probably what happened to us when God told us we were at the top of the food chain. What we didn’t get is that being at the top came with a great responsibility. Remember how God put Adam in the Garden specifically to take care of it and look after it? But we have done much to ruin that. We have this knowlege within ourselves, our memory, and our religion. We don’t need alien ideas in order to do what’s right. We need the will.

          • GreenAlba October 13, 2019 at 5:20 pm #

            “We don’t need alien ideas in order to do what’s right. ”

            You need the scientific knowledge that will help you keep the atmosphere and the oceans in a state that won’t lead to to climate change of a level which will harm both your own species and those you feel obliged to steward. But you refuse to read it. Out of ideological narcissism.

          • SoftStarLight October 13, 2019 at 7:28 pm #

            Well do you really think its possible to have a technologically complex society that doesn’t pollute and negatively impact the Earth? We haven’t found the magic formula and the impacts keep getting bigger. To do what you want. Better yet, to achieve what you want means we have to give up the Modern Era. Incremental change isn’t going to make a big enough difference soon enough. Right?

        • SoftStarLight October 13, 2019 at 7:35 pm #

          I didn’t say it was a Cult. I said it was a mainstream theory that is widely accepted and fashionable and they have turned it into their gospel. I think its funny that you think I am so brainwashed. You don’t think maybe you are? I mean why not? Why is it me that is the brainwashed one?

      • What’s the disposition of these rogue views? What would be an example of an unfunded alternative research subject?

        Are the proponents of canonically supported theories being unreasonable?

      • “… dissenting opinions are increasingly just not funded and heard, and when they are they’re more often than not shouted down. I work at a large scientific institution and I see the process at work every day.”

        Which opinions are these (which you presumably take as valid, at least in theory)?

  51. Hey… isn’t it odd Finca is gone on vacation over this lovely 70th anniversary of the Communist party’s? Big public holiday to spend at home with your child.

    Ah…heh heeeeeee

    • BackRowHeckler October 12, 2019 at 6:39 am #

      There are many ‘Fincas’ They work in 8 hour shifts.

  52. axisboldaslove October 12, 2019 at 2:50 am #

    James, rather than the usual ranting about what a mess we’re in (as if anyone who comes here isn’t already aware of that), and yet more predictions (well, OK, they are interesting even if they don’t come to pass or the timing is way off), and metaphors that aren’t up to your potential, it would be great to see you use your very good brain to put forth some suggestions for ways we might actually work as individuals and/or groups to make things better. Are we simply resigned to being screwed or can we at least get a little of our shit together enough to move forward rather just bitch while we slide down the drain? I think you’re better than that. I think we all are… or could be.

    • Walter B October 12, 2019 at 8:41 am #

      Well I’d be happy to do that for you axis. Whether you or anyone believes in God and in Jesus or not, paying attention to that which was said to have been spoken by Jesus is the key to not only getting ahead rather than behind, but to happiness as well (if you know how to do it properly).

      I have never seen anything worthwhile accomplished by a group of people fight against one another. For anything worthwhile to get done it takes teamwork, cooperation, and compromise. Human beings are a pain in the ass to deal with to be sure, but so are you and so am I. Developing patience and learning how to get people to STFU and pick up the rope and pull in the same direction can be difficult and frustrating. Developing the skills to motivate others and achieve cooperation rather than conflict is priceless. Learn to never hate and develop tolerance for those who have been dealt far less than you have been given. To whom much is given, much is expected.

      I know that none of this will ever really happen on a larger scale, but at a small, local level it can sometimes be made to happen. Prepare for proverbial rainy. Spend less than you make and save all that you can. How’s that for starters?

      • axisboldaslove October 12, 2019 at 1:31 pm #

        I don’t call myself a Christian , Walter, but I agree that the words of Jesus are fine gems of wisdom well worth following.

        I agree, simply fighting with each other is gaining us nothing! Thank you for mentioning cooperation.

        Yes, working on a smaller scale to make positive forward movement seems like a wise idea.

        Thank you for some positive input here!

    • SoftStarLight October 12, 2019 at 12:04 pm #

      Do you have any suggestions?

      • axisboldaslove October 12, 2019 at 1:28 pm #

        I’d be happy to list a few here, SoftStarLight.

        -Shop carefully. Choose durable good rather than cheap throw-away products. In the long run, well made goods save the consumer money and use less energy and fewer resources.

        -Cut down on driving, use public transit, car pool, take as many no-drive days as possible.

        -Reproduce less often (over-population is a huge problem world-wide).

        -Desist from having an us vs. them attitude about things and strive for fostering cooperative efforts rather than a bitter competitive spirit.

        -Maintain good sense of humor!

        There are a few idea off the top of my head.

        I’m hoping that people like JHK who study economics, politics, environment and social issues and who reach a wide audience will use those opportunities to help us move forward rather than mostly just grumble about how screwed up things are. As I said, we all know that already.

        • “All progress depends on the unreasonable man” and guess what? Being unreasonable is akin to status in this political economy. It’s basically civil disobedience in the service of maintaining a status quo they say they publicly loathe but privately support, and perhaps depend on.

        • elysianfield October 12, 2019 at 2:49 pm #


          …And learn to code, goddamnit!

          And, as Old Remus opines…”Stay away from crowds”.

    • https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/a-hard-rain/#comment-445087

      lays down an outline of a progressive tax on carbon paid for by consumers which would fund energy transition via technological research and development.

  53. volodya October 12, 2019 at 11:10 am #

    Dubious financial obligations? How about Greek government debt? How about Greek government debt with negative yields? So, you wanna lose money a little at a time before you lose a shitload all at once? Line up here.  

    No doubt, there’s no shortage of explanations for what, to the naked eye, looks like complete lunacy. No doubt, they’d say “counter-intuitive” a lot. No doubt, the Greater Fool Theory would figure prominently, implicitly if not explicitly.

    But every rationale would be larded with incomprehensible jargon, would involve the abuse of logic and reason, and, in the end, would make no sense whatsoever. You could do worse than suspect that some Wall Street bank or other is involved in this preposterous scam, and that somehow, through some trickery, will rake off a shit-load of dough for themselves. 

    In Memoriam, Reality? Yes, especially but not exclusively with respect to the financial realm. Because people with doctorates in the social – cough – sciences took leave of their senses long ago.  
    And the absurdity is viral, it spread to other areas. It’s like Ellipsis sez, the sciences became infected with politics. 

    One of our illustrious commenters, one that apparently supports the untenable status quo, one that seemingly respects authority such as it is, asks, “In as few words as possible, answer the question, why do I think I’m smarter than 95% of the world’s scientists?”

    Speaking for myself, the answer is straight-forward; because I am. 

    That’s as few words as I can muster. Why this unseemly expression of self-confidence? Because I’m not subject to the scientific community’s particular brand of “group-think”, and I’m not in thrall to campus politics, and a big-money funder hasn’t got me by the balls. And because I’ve accomplished enough in life and in a demanding line of work. Pride goes before the fall? Maybe, but I’ve seen enough howling misjudgments by people that ought to have known better such that I’ve concluded that I can’t do worse.

    Don’t underestimate the common sense of the common man. If people draw themselves to a great height and talk down to you, tell them to go fuck themselves. Facility in some brand of logic or knowledge doesn’t confer facility in all of them and it doesn’t preclude blindness to the blindingly obvious. 

    Take responsibility. Have confidence in yourself. Trust your own eye-balls. Especially trust your own common sense. If something looks crazy, it is. And don’t let some perfesser tell you otherwise. 

    • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 11:33 am #

      “Trust your own eye-balls. ”

      My brother would say that too.


      Boxing Day. Extra Xmas present that Santa only started bringing in recent years.

      • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 11:56 am #

        David Attenborough would agree as well. His eyeballs have seen more than most.

        • Janos Skorenzy October 12, 2019 at 1:16 pm #

          He has seen Black Africans driving every large species of African animal to extinction. Yet still he has to act like they are wonderful and more evolved than Whites. What a farrago and farragoist.

          • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 1:21 pm #

            Please send me a link to him acting as if black people are more evolved than white people.


          • Janos Skorenzy October 12, 2019 at 1:35 pm #

            Environmentalism is a White Thing for the most part. Thus as an Environmentalist, you should be pro-White.

            Some of the East Asians traditionally had a deep appreciation for the beauty of nature. And some of their religious traditions advocated vegetarianism. Are you a vegetarian yet? No, right? Can’t give up that blood pudding, eh?

          • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 9:30 pm #

            You haven’t got a link, then. What a shame.

      • SoftStarLight October 12, 2019 at 12:01 pm #

        Sounds like something my brother would say too. And I would say that there is more to the world than meets the eye. Its cycles and rhythms have been here far longer than we have been and will be here long after we are gone. Unfortunately for us little people, disasters have always been and will always be a reality from time to time.

        • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 12:09 pm #

          Yes, dear. 🙂

        • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 12:12 pm #

          It would be rather nice if the cycles and rhythms could have been left in the state we found them, but what can you do?

          I left you a link further up to an article written by someone with all your beliefs but a more open mind. I hope you enjoyed it.


          Try to be as open-minded as he was. Go on, I dare you.

          • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 12:14 pm #

            Sorry, wrong one:


          • SoftStarLight October 12, 2019 at 12:32 pm #

            I responded to you there and I am guessing you won’t care for my reponse :-). He isn’t open minded in my opinion. He is joining the mainstream and the open and broad path. They are set to make a fortune from all those speaking engagements I bet. One does not have to adopt the doctrines of AGW to act responsibly. Conserving natural resources and protecting the natural habitat around us to me seems like a natural desire that doesn’t require ideology. But the rise of Secularism and the Industrial Revolution go hand in hand. I wonder why that is not discussed more often? If you would like to go back to the pre-Industrial age perhaps that would be better for me any way because I am tired of the gray, dehumanized, hyper rational and mathematic, robotic world that has been created.

          • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 1:17 pm #

            “But the rise of Secularism and the Industrial Revolution go hand in hand. I wonder why that is not discussed more often?”

            You haven’t read your Max Weber then? Protestantism and the rise of Capitalism? 🙂

            “He is joining the mainstream and the open and broad path. ”

            You keep coming out with smug platitudes like this, as if it would be virtuous and clever to refuse to believe in gravity or the effectiveness of antibiotics, just because it’s ‘mainstream’, It makes no sense. But I see that you like to think of yourself as a ‘maverick’, which is one of the well-established psychological reasons why climate science denial has such a strong hold in certain cultures.

            “Conserving natural resources and protecting the natural habitat around us to me seems like a natural desire that doesn’t require ideology.”

            Of course it doesn’t. And neither does accepting the evidence for AGW. Although Ideology will indeed often play a part in refusing to accept the evidence. As in the US.

          • GreenAlba October 12, 2019 at 1:19 pm #

            And that ‘gray, dehumanized, hyper rational and mathematic, robotic world’ (my life is thankfully not like that) is one of the reasons you didn’t die in childbirth or your children before their fifth birthday.

          • Janos Skorenzy October 12, 2019 at 2:59 pm #

            Yes, drear.

          • hmuller October 12, 2019 at 4:48 pm #

            GA, the following article completely demolishes the cherry picking pseudo-science of the AGW crowd, although I’m sure you’d never admit it.

            “Climate change alarmists have convinced the public something must be done now. The reports are easily debunked as fraud.
            Tony Heller does an amazing job of showing how the fraud takes place in his video entitled My Gift To Climate Alarmists”


          • GreenAlba October 13, 2019 at 9:38 am #

            That’s wonderful, thank you hm.

            What a pity you couldn’t have shown it to me 25 years ago, before I wasted so much time reading the work of actual climate scientists, when all I needed to do was consult an… investment advisor for SitkaPacific Capital Management.

            I’m just writing to Greta now. After that the Royal Society and NASA.

            It always amazes me that people can work for 50 years in the field and miss such obvious points that a capital management bod can pick up between glancing at one investment portfolio and another, while enjoying a flat white, but you’ve just demonstrated to me the falsehood of my foolish judgements. 🙂

            BTW, you may not know that some scientists who participated in the infamous The Great Global Warming Swindle complained publicly afterwards that the producers had misrepresented their views for propaganda purposes… But we should probably just sweep that under the carpet. It’s a big carpet – it can cope.

          • SoftStarLight October 13, 2019 at 2:11 pm #

            Don’t get into too much of a tizzy Alba :-)! Your viewpoints on the matter are the predominating ones in the world. You are arguing with those whose views have been swept under the carpet. You really are a true believer aren’t you.

          • GreenAlba October 13, 2019 at 5:34 pm #

            “Don’t get into too much of a tizzy Alba :-)! ”

            I’m not in a tizzy, SSL. Stop being manipulative.

            “Your viewpoints on the matter are the predominating ones in the world.”

            I don’t have a ‘viewpoint’ on the matter. I just read evidence. My ‘viewpoint’ is that reading evidence is the way to approach such things.

            “You really are a true believer aren’t you'”

            No, but you are being a manipulative gaslighter. However, since your indoctrination probably leads to such a propensity, I guess I will have to forgive you.

          • SoftStarLight October 13, 2019 at 6:46 pm #

            Oh Alba, why do you see light-heartedness as manipulative? I think you understood the drift of what I was saying. The belief that increasing CO2 concentrations are causing harmful impacts on the climate is widely established and accepted. And all I meant by you being a true believer is that you accept their evidence and ideas ahead of others. I didn’t say it was a negative thing in that comment. No doubt you would call me a true believer as well, but of course not in the same things.

          • hmuller October 13, 2019 at 9:11 pm #

            GA, we can agree to disagree. But I’m fed up with the attitude that you know the truth and all the facts are on your side, and people who disagree are deluded idiots.

            Your ad hominem attack implies the makers of the video have disingenuous (or worse) agendas.

            Fine Believe what globalist controlled politicians and NGO’s tell you. They have their agendas, too.

    • hmuller October 12, 2019 at 5:07 pm #

      Volodya, I agree. We live compartmentalized lives, and the more educated among us, even more so. Few people even try to step back and see the big picture of who and what moves our world and controls our perceptions.

      The genetic researcher with 2 PHD’s is no more qualified to speak on the meaning of life and the basis of morality than the Wal-Mart cashier, in my opinion. I’ve met “highly educated” people who were amazingly ignorant about many basic facts – as in things I learned in high school half a century ago.

      People should not defer to the experts, who are in fact nothing more than the snot nosed kids who best memorized the material (propaganda) the schools force fed everyone, and parroted it all back at test time. I’ve spent decades trying to sort out the truth from the bullshit, with little success. Some here might argue “none”.

      • GreenAlba October 13, 2019 at 9:27 am #

        “The genetic researcher with 2 PHD’s is no more qualified to speak on the meaning of life and the basis of morality than the Wal-Mart cashier, in my opinion. ”

        A genetic researcher wouldn’t be speaking on the meaning of life as part of his job, hm – if he did he’d be doing it as a human being, just like you or me. But he would have greater knowledge about any aspects of it related to genetics, obviously.

        For instance, if he showed there was a genetic marker for psychopathy, that might have relevance to some aspects of ‘morality’, perhaps? Those who wish to infer a creator would have to ask why God included psychopathy in his universe. For example. That would be part of the ‘stepping back’ tactic you mentioned.


        We shouldn’t throw the baby out with the bathwater just because people annoy us by knowing a lot about things we don’t know much about. That happens a lot in the climate ‘debate’. Some people just can’t stomach that other people have spent their whole life studying something and know more than they do, in enormous detail, when they want good ol’ common sense to be the only basis for judgement. So they go for the ad hominem approach to the scientists.

        Thank goodness we don’t ask our neurosurgeons to operate on the basis of common sense.

  54. SoftStarLight October 12, 2019 at 12:44 pm #

    The Joker is indeed wild and dangerous. So is Harley Quinn!

  55. volodya October 12, 2019 at 12:48 pm #

    When they say it isn’t the money, it’s the principle, it’s really the money. When it comes to Big Business, they don’t even say it’s the principle, they make no bones about it, it’s always the money.

    So who was surprised that Google pulled a game because it was about role-play as a Hong Kong protester? It violated Google rules about “sensitive events”. I’ll bet. But see, Hong Kong authorities objected to the game. And who holds these Hong Kong “authorities” on a leash? 

    And Apple pulled an app that allows Hong Kong protesters to track police activity. This took place after the Chinese Communist Party rag, People’s Daily, called it “toxic” software. I’m sure that opinion had no bearing on the matter.

    And the NBA found itself on China’s shit-list for an unfortunate tweet about Hong Kong protesters. The tweet has disappeared. But so have licencing agreements with the Houston Rockets which were suspended by Chinese companies. And now the Rockets are blacklisted from Chinese state TV. A lot of dough now hangs in the balance.

    Reality is an unforgiving bitch, the reality in this case being a far-away authoritarian regime whose reach extends far beyond its borders. Who gave it that reach? A few lonely voices warned the US government and US and western companies about doing business there, but billions beckoned and so they disregarded what was so easily foreseeable.

    They made up fairy-tales about China democratizing and liberalizing. It didn’t. You don’t tell authoritarians what’s what. They tell you.

    Reality wins again. Don’t listen to fairy-tales. 

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    • Janos Skorenzy October 12, 2019 at 1:12 pm #

      The NBA should be kept out of China. It’s basically Negro worship and the Chinese are blessed to be without this bad element for the most part. Though why they have let some into a southern coastal province is very troubling indeed.

      If the Chinese want to get into sports (a mistake in my opinion), let them take up soccer, a sport for the masses. Football and Basketball are for large and/or tall people – which leaves most East Asians out.

      • tucsonspur October 12, 2019 at 5:33 pm #

        Yellow devils should stick to ping pong and gymnastics.

    • hmuller October 12, 2019 at 5:20 pm #

      Volodya, there’s an old saying about the debtor being slave to the creditor. We owe China, so they get to crack the whip.

      We should have smelled that something was not quite right when the Satanic Arch-Mage George Herbert Walker Bush pushed for helping China develop rapidly into a world super-power.

      The globalist plan is that one day we’ll enjoy the same level of freedom the Chinese have. And maybe – best case scenario – the same standard of living.

  56. BackRowHeckler October 12, 2019 at 1:38 pm #

    Well, right on time maple and oak leaves turning a golden hue, now begining to gently fall to the ground, same as it’s been for 20,000 years or so, since the ice melted in this valley, glaciers receded, and the Ice Age ended. I’ve been reading articles from The Guardian, is that a serious newspaper? Do they have any skepticism at all about the apocalyptic claims made by XC fanatics right outside their office windows? They seem to be cheerleaders, at the same time spelling out our doom. Worked around the property this morning, sun is breaking thru, air turning crisp and fragrant, time too turn on UConn football, open up a Sam Adams, and dig out my copy of Mackay’s ‘Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds’, and try to figure out what the fuss is all about in London, Stockholm and NYC.

    Too bad you weren’t here to join me GA. I’m not a Guinness man, but I could make an exception.


    • BackRowHeckler October 12, 2019 at 1:42 pm #

      Oh, SSL, we’re (UCONN) playing Tulane today!

      • SoftStarLight October 13, 2019 at 2:24 pm #

        LSU gave Florida the beat down too last night lol :-).

    • BackRowHeckler October 12, 2019 at 1:49 pm #

      The Tulane Green Wave!!!

    • Here it is in all its glory, the provincial point of view. All the elements are here. The insincerity, the recapitulation of intellectual prejudice, the prosaic stereotyping, the bad faith, the incitement, the slander, the innuendo, the Caucasian lawn care fetish, the alcoholism…

      • Janos Skorenzy October 12, 2019 at 2:42 pm #

        Tell us what you’d like to do to him. Don’t hold back: we’re all friends here, right?

        Too bad “The Hunt” was cancelled. You would have enjoyed that movie very much no doubt.

      • BackRowHeckler October 12, 2019 at 3:21 pm #

        That’s the whole point, isn’t it Snacks: make apocalyptic predictions just far enough out into the future that when the time rolls around everyone has forgotten about the predictions, then make more apocalyptic predictions from that time to, say, 12 years out. That way you can keep everyone on edge, keep the donations and the govt Grant’s rolling in, and have an excuse to take to the streets and cause havoc. It’s a cause amongst other things, and a reason to live. Plus, rioting in the streets beats working at a real job where you have to be there at 7::00 am and stay all day.


        • I would win any argument, if only because by late afternoon you’re too drunk to type. Its just not fair.

          • BackRowHeckler October 12, 2019 at 9:46 pm #

            That’s the thing, you’re winning all the arguments,

            Yet, China is building coal fired power plants all over the world, and a new one every 2 weeks inside China.

            Sure traffic can be stopped on Times Square, and aircraft can be delayed at Heathrow (a felony, incidentally) but 100 million bpd of petroleum is being pumped out of the ground and burned up worldwide.

            What are you going to do about it?


    • volodya October 12, 2019 at 2:14 pm #

      I like Bass.

      A long time ago some Brit colleagues told me that beer-drinking was done by people only of a certain class and that people of our exalted status drink wine. I had no idea. A lesson in class consciousness. 

      A clip from the Kingsman. Colin Firth wasn’t allowed to finish his lovely pint of Guinness. And then there was an unfortunate comment about “rent-boys” and this mayhem breaks out. 


      • Tate October 12, 2019 at 2:48 pm #

        One time I used an umbrella to stop a charging German Shepard. He gave me a bruise on my forearm with his teeth that I still carry as a white scar. Then when he circled back for another attack, I opened the umbrella on him which completely freaked the dumb brute. He ran off with his tail between his legs. Wouldn’t work on a human though. An umbrella is a good weapon against human assailants, but mostly as a stabbing weapon.

        • Janos Skorenzy October 12, 2019 at 2:57 pm #

          Do they make special ones for self defense, as in heavy wood handle and a strong sharp point? Or why not a sword cane umbrella? Take out the sword and keep hold of the unfolded umbrella as a distractor? I mean only in cases of dire need when the umbrella spear alone will be insufficient.

      • Majella October 13, 2019 at 1:59 am #

        Tennants’ ‘Sixty Shilling’ ale. Bliss

    • Janos Skorenzy October 12, 2019 at 3:13 pm #

      When do the fighting Black Irish meet the Black Crimson Tide? Football is also religion and you sound like a convert worshiping those convicts. We need a return to the Gladiatorial Games. At last I’d be able to enter a Stadium in good Faith with men like you, have a beer, and enjoy the spectacle and convivality, if that is even a word. I’m getting a red line, but you know what I mean.

      • Tate October 12, 2019 at 3:51 pm #

        I hate those red dotted lines. Most of the time it’s because of word play. This is a symptom of what our ruling elites have in store for us. Complete conformity an’ you’ll like it, by God! I stopped watching football when Colin Kaeperninck took the stage. What a nincompoop. Don’t miss it one bit.

        • Janos Skorenzy October 12, 2019 at 5:12 pm #

          In contrast, the thin blue line will never fail us, not if we don’t fail it. And we fail by not “supporting” it with Marine Praetorians. And who will watch these Watchers? The Holy Vehm.

          • Tate October 12, 2019 at 7:43 pm #

            Many here don’t realize the Ku Klux Klan was actually a force of law & order in the Reconstruction South. It wasn’t a “white supremacist” terrorist organization, as so many fondly believe. Many blacks supported its activities, although the types who did so were vilified as “Uncle Toms.” Of course, today, if any expression of support for White interests is ventured, that one who dares express such a heresy is automatically branded a “white supremacist” by the government terrorist organ the FBI, whose upper echelons are part of a plot to overthrow a duly-elected populist president.

            Many such myths have taken root & flourished over the years, then gullibly repeated by the mindless atomized leftist-influenced rabble, the NPCs. For example no doubt slavery is a moral wrong by Western standards, but where was its breeding ground? Africa, where it was (& is) an endemic institution. You can’t talk about the “dignity” of Man & his inherent rights to Liberty in such a place.

            The Mandingo gave the signal as soon as the ends of the two parties met & completed the circle; &, in an instant, every one of the runaways, except two, was in the grasp of a warrior, with a cord around his throat. Fourteen captives were brought into camp. The eldest of the party alleged that they belonged to the chief of Tamisso, a town on our path to Timbo, & were bound to the coast for sale. On their way to the foreign factories [i.e. New World plantations], which they were exceedingly anxious to reach, their owner died, so that they came under the control of his brother, who threatened to change their destination, & sell them in the interior…

            — chapter 19, Captain Canot or, Twenty Years of an African Slaver by Theodore Canot

          • SoftStarLight October 13, 2019 at 2:33 pm #

            Neat! Now I get why Country Blacks call Ku Klux Klan country “God’s Country”.

        • Majella October 13, 2019 at 2:02 am #

          Tate – bulsheet. Yu r fre to spel iny wird iny wy yu liek.

          • Tate October 13, 2019 at 12:58 pm #

            Soft fascism. You’re never left alone to do anything without being hounded to do whatever the state wants you to do first.

      • BackRowHeckler October 12, 2019 at 11:49 pm #

        Tulane 49

        UConn 7

    • elysianfield October 12, 2019 at 6:55 pm #

      “Oh Goodness, my Guinness…”

      WWII vintage advert.

    • hmuller October 13, 2019 at 1:18 am #

      Agreed BRH, Below is a link to an article which raises the embarrassing inconvenient truth that the advocates of climate doom have been making wrong predictions for the past 50 years.

      And Little Debbie should know that we “provincials” in preparation for AGW armageddon have stocked up on copies of the New York Times for the day the toilet paper runs out.


      Idiotic Environmental Predictions

      The Competitive Enterprise Institute has published a new paper, “Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions.” Keep in mind that many of the grossly wrong environmentalist predictions were made by respected scientists and government officials.

  57. Janos Skorenzy October 12, 2019 at 2:40 pm #


    of Trump’s wall in 20 seconds. Also a Climber did it with one hand while juggling with the other. Trump had said that his Wall was unclimbable according to twenty climbing experts. The Climber said, Oh really? What are their names? And of course young Mestizos do it all the time at Wall protests down there.

    Besides being wide enough apart to climb, the slats of the wall/fence are wide apart enough to pass contraband thru. No doubt this is its real purpose, and not “to be able to see what’s going on on the other side” as Trump Cultists were told by Fox News. If you want to see what’s going on, that’s what cameras and drones are for.

  58. tucsonspur October 12, 2019 at 6:06 pm #

    Fossil Fools
    And Guzzling Ghouls
    Swipe it
    Through the Pipe

    Black Lagoons receding
    Sliding down the Spike
    Black Gold glut
    Pumped up Hype.

    Earth First, Last, and Always.

    • elysianfield October 12, 2019 at 6:56 pm #


      “Earth First! (We’ll log the other planets later)

      Bumper sticker from the 70’s…

      • tucsonspur October 12, 2019 at 11:51 pm #

        That’s just not groovy!

  59. Pucker October 12, 2019 at 7:06 pm #

    Sounds more like a non-binding Memorandum of Understanding. Weird….

    “Washington (AFP) – President Donald Trump on Saturday touted his partial, unsigned trade deal with China as a major achievement and the best deal US farmers have ever secured.

    “WOW, the Farmers really hit pay dirt,” Trump tweeted.

    Friday’s initial agreement, which marks a halt in the 18-month trade war, calls for a huge increase in China’s purchases of US farm products. It also covers intellectual property, financial services and currencies.

    Trump said Friday evening the deal calls for China to increase its imports of US farms goods to $40-50 billion a year — more than double the level of 2017.

    The US will also hold off on a massive tariff increase planned for next week.”

    But the accord will take weeks to finalize, and the details are not clear.

    Nor will it roll back tariffs already in place on hundreds of billions of dollars in two-way trade.

    The two sides have touted progress in their trade talks before, only to see things come apart later.

    • Pucker October 12, 2019 at 7:31 pm #

      Whipping Boy Eunuch Tutor of the Emperor’s kid, the Prince, to the Prince’s Overbearing Mom, the Queen: “We’ll give your kid an “A” first so we can all suck each other’s cocks, and then let him take the test later.”

    • Pucker October 12, 2019 at 7:39 pm #

      It sounds like the Chinese negotiators, in order to avoid being beheaded, agreed to everything that the Americans demanded while agreeing to nothing as a stalling tactic? They’ll think that something like this is “Clever”.

      Trump then jumped on it as an opportunity to start sucking cock. The American companies must be freaking out because of the “White Terror” in China and are screaming for a “De-escalation”?

  60. K-Dog October 12, 2019 at 7:15 pm #

    Janos, is this you?


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    • K-Dog October 12, 2019 at 7:17 pm #

      A little Sky King action?

    • Tate October 12, 2019 at 7:54 pm #

      And one conspirator aiding his protest by filming from the terminal arrested by an ‘Amish gentleman’ dressed in the uniform of a police officer, no less. In the prog police dystopia of the U.K., such is the misery of human existence, where liberty is ‘protected’ by a “Supreme court” recently created by the Labor party, which has usurped the power & privileges of the Crown & where bad-think has been criminalized.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 13, 2019 at 11:48 am #

      Huh? He’s one of yours. A Leftist throwback. Note how deep his eyes are – Neanderthal lineage, but a very poor specimen. Worships “the climate”. His ancestors survived storms that dropped a hundred feet of snow in one night. The mixture with Homo Sapiens ruined them. You obviously hate the Sky King – Why?

      • SoftStarLight October 13, 2019 at 2:46 pm #

        He does look like a Neanderthal but he’s missing the essence like you said. Otherwise, he would have at least attempted to wrestle the plane and disable it. He probably wouldn’t have cared whether or not he was making a video either.

      • malthuss October 13, 2019 at 6:43 pm #

        I found this and thought of you—

        The level of Evil from “He who cannot be Named…
        .” $0r0$ needs to end…..
        He is buying DA’s seats all over the country to destroy the Rule of Law…..

        We need an angel donor to help fight this or we will keep seeing people in these DA offices turning Criminals loose on society to create Mayhem.

        socialism as a method of reconnecting with God – talking about J’s, your problem, right? – has this splinter religion of leftism been used to destroy societies with over 100 million victims. Genius of Marx consisted of reformatting Hess’s delusions into utter deceit of the communist paradise thus creating an army of useful idiots. Marx and Hess crossed paths while working at Rheinische Zeitung. Hess had a dossier of reasons why the communist takeover of the world had to start from RUSSIA, a Christian country, therefore the October Revolution was predominantly Jewish enterprise, see the above mentioned article in the Jerusalem Post “.
        The first Soviet Government was almost completely Jewish, this information is in the public domain also. When it dawned on Stalin that J’s viewed Russia as their promised land also he turned against them, this happened in the late thirties–Genrikh Grigoryevich Yagoda

        –apparnetly the posters claim ‘soros’ is a word that cant be posted at WSJ site.

        • SoftStarLight October 13, 2019 at 9:07 pm #

          I heard about this too. Wasn’t he a big donor to the DA in the Smollett case?

  61. Pucker October 12, 2019 at 7:24 pm #

    Who was the Roman Aristocrat turncoat who turned his back on the Roman Aristocracy during the globalist phase of the Roman Empire and became a demagogue to champion the interests of the Roman Deplorable Plebs? The Roman elite started importing cheap slave labor from the newly-conquered provinces which undercut the price of domestic Roman labor; this pissed of the Plebs (the “Deplorables”) who also had to fight all of the overseas wars which only benefitted the Elite Roman globalists. Was it Tiberius and Gaias Ghracchus, the Ghracchus Brothers?



  62. Pucker October 12, 2019 at 8:24 pm #

    Would you let an emotionally dysfunctional bloke named “Chaz 10” who communicates in fragmented sentences on Twitter and whose mentor is Harry Potter run the country’s public Education System?

    Thank you
    for listening to our teachers as they had an honest, rich discussion about education. Thank you fellow teachers who attended, great job! Valuable information headed back to

  63. Pucker October 12, 2019 at 8:39 pm #

    It looks like during the US Civil War the Union Generals (McClellan and Halleck) would basically take the actual number of Confederate troops and then always double it in reports to Lincoln? The excuse is that the Federals had bad intelligence on the Rebel armies. While this may be true, it looks suspicious. It’s not that the Yanks didn’t have the Pinkerton spy network nor Northern sympathizers in the South. And there were the Slaves who always helped out the “Blue Bellies”. I can understand having bad intel a few times, but why was it always the case that the estimated number of Confederate troops was always double the actual number? It looks like McClellan and Halleck may have been doubling the actual number of Rebel troops for personal and for political reasons?

    • Pucker October 12, 2019 at 9:36 pm #

      So the US Civil War just kept grinding on infinitum in the Eastern theater because of the bureaucracy, but Ulysses S. Grant in the West didn’t do this because he was a deranged alcoholic with a vain, spoiled Southern slave owning wife, Julia, who kept pussy Whipping and shaming her ner-Do-well husband to “Succeed”. Go figure….

      • Pucker October 12, 2019 at 10:07 pm #

        “No! No! That’s not what happened! That’s a Conspiracy Theory! It was about the White People freeing the slaves!”

  64. Tate October 12, 2019 at 8:42 pm #

    Quoted from Occidental Dissent:

    Personally, I find it hard to believe that progressive liberalism is losing so much ground to “rightwing extremists” who are telling young White men that they don’t have to hate themselves, chop their dicks off, worship the Jews, genuflect before minorities and jump through every hoop of political correctness in order to conform their lives to the whims of the “mainstream.”

    New York Times:
    “Raising teenagers can be terrifying. Our squishy little babies become awkward hormonal creatures who question our authority at every turn.
    I expected that. What I didn’t predict was that my sons’ adolescence would include being drawn to the kind of online content that right-wing extremists use to recruit so many young men.
    The first sign was a seemingly innocuous word, used lightheartedly: “triggered.”
    As my 11- and 14-year-old sons and their friends talked and bantered — phones in hand, as always — in the back seat of the car, one of them shouted it in response to a meme,and they all laughed uproariously.
    I almost lost control of the car. That’s because I know that word — often used to mock people who are hurt or offended by racism as overly sensitive — is a calling card of the alt-right, which the Anti-Defamation League defines as “a segment of the white supremacist movement consisting of a loose network of racists and anti-Semites who reject mainstream conservatism in favor of politics that embrace implicit or explicit racism, anti-Semitism and white supremacy.” People associated with this group are known for trolling those who disagree with them, and calling critics “triggered” is a favorite tactic. …”

    What is the message of progressive liberalism to young White men?
    The message is that cisgendered heterosexual White men are to blame for everything that is wrong with the world. Virtually every other group in our society is legitimate and can organize to advance its interests and should be encouraged to celebrate its identity but our own. It’s true that young White men are being “radicalized,” which is to say, they are rejecting this self-serving Jewish bullshit from our hostile elite which is unsustainable on an even playing field on its own merits. The vast majority of this bullshit has nothing really to do with race either.

    — Hunter Wallace

  65. capt spaulding October 12, 2019 at 8:56 pm #

    I watched the news tonight and saw Turkish soldiers execute captured Kurdish fighters by the side of a road. You know, the ones who fought along side us against ISIS? Not only did president bone spur keep himself nice & safe during the Vietnam war, he now has thrown the Kurds under the bus, just like everybody else he has no more use for. How it is that people continue to go to the wall for him is a complete mystery to me. For a draft dodging chickenshit like him, his treatment of the loyal Kurds is a new low. This guy is a real piece of shit. Absolutely no sense of honor or gratitude.

    So make sure and vote for him the next time around, but do it with the understanding that if you (the voters) wind up in his way, he won’t hesitate to betray you just like he does everyone else. The US? He’d drop us like a bad habit if there was a payoff in it for him.

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    • BackRowHeckler October 12, 2019 at 10:26 pm #

      It was 50 troops, he got them out of harm’s way? What can 50 troops do against the Turkish army?

      Besides, didn’t we abandon the South Vietnamese to the tender mercies of the communists, and South Africa, after helping the allies in two world wars, Korea and Viet Nam, got kicked to the side of the road and turned over to the ANC? Nothing new here.


      • JohnAZ October 12, 2019 at 10:49 pm #


        The US is a fickle ally. We get involved in local wars siding most of the time with the loser. It sounds great at the beginning, eg Afghanistan after 9/11, but we never win the wars. It hangs on and on until the public says it is enough. Then we quit, regardless of who is left behind. I remember watching the Helos flying out of Saigon at the end of VietNam and being disgusted nor by the disconnect but by the betrayal after years of war.

        We face the same thing with the Kurds, betrayal. But we have little choice, but letting the Turks have their way without mediation is wrong, just like the S. Vietnamese.

        In this, there is no answer. We need to learn to stay out of ethnic disputes. Heck, we have enough of them here. No more battles overseas. America First

        And last!

        • JohnAZ October 12, 2019 at 10:58 pm #


          The war powers act should be rescinded, it allowed a small group in DC to send our boys and girls into harms way for special interests.

          A war plan should be a requisite for any declaration of war and should be passed by the Congress. The most important part of the declaration needs to be the definition of victory. How to quit!

          WW2 was fought to unconditional surrender by specific enemies, when accomplished it was over. We have not done the same since.

          • BackRowHeckler October 12, 2019 at 11:45 pm #

            Well, if it will make the Captain any happier, from today’s WSJ: ‘US Sends more troops to Saudi Arabia.’ 2000 more troops exactly, and a fighter squadron.


          • tucsonspur October 13, 2019 at 12:15 am #

            Thanks for the compliment up top, Brh. Words are kind of like fun toys to me.

            I have to catch up on this stuff. Is Turkey looking for more than a buffer zone? I guess that they wouldn’t mind taking over all of Syria with our (NATO) blessing.

            Quid pro quos between Trump and Erdogan come to mind. Did the Kurds have much warning, or did it matter? And what about those ISIS captives?

            I know, time to do some homework.

      • Majella October 13, 2019 at 2:14 am #

        BRH – you’re surely not THAT naive, I’m sure. The Turks (Erdogsn) would not have moved to crush the Kirds if the C-on-C had said ‘Hey, we have 50 (odd) troops there. If you hurt one of our own, you’re in big trouble, buster!’

        What he did say on that call last Sunday, no-one actually knows, publically. I don’t know what quod pro quo was involved, but for some reason (or emolument) Erdofam managed to play Trump to the point of the ‘withdrawal’ (to a different/secure location) was the green light.

        So, he hadn’t withdrawn anyone from Syria – he’s moved his chess pieces to somewhere else and has promised to leave Turkey to it.

        What a nasty old immoral person.

        • benr October 13, 2019 at 10:13 am #

          We should be supporting the KURDS they have been some of our staunchest allies and to my knowledge have never shot one of our American trainers in the back.

          • capt spaulding October 13, 2019 at 11:11 am #

            Absolutely we should have supported them. Unfortunately this time it was the Kurds who got shot in the back. I guess that old saying is true: “No good deed will go unpunished”.

          • BackRowHeckler October 13, 2019 at 11:43 am #

            What about the US airbase in Turkey which I assume we would like to remain in Turkey, also Edrogan’s threat to open up the gates and flood Europe with 3.5 million more refugees. It seems the Turks have leverage they could use against us if they wanted to.

            So, say in a year and a half a Dem is in the White House, what would her solution be (that would suit you) Bomb Ankara? Open up another front in the never ending wars in the Islamic world? Bring the Kurds into the US?


          • capt spaulding October 13, 2019 at 12:22 pm #

            It’s wrong no matter how you try to spin it. Your reasoning is a textbook example of justifying cognitive dissonance. I see examples of it every day. Just keep watching the news, and see how well Trump works out. I remember when “W” lied and got us into Iraq. People used the same type of arguments to justify what he did. Result: 4500 combat deaths, 5.2 trillion dollars, and when it was all said and done, nothing changed. Not a thing, but people still wildly supported him, when by his second term, they should have realized that he was a simpleton being manipulated by Cheney and the boys. And after that of course, he ran the country into the ground. Get ready for round two, and while you’re waiting, you can work on your explanations as to how we wound up in deep shit again.

          • BackRowHeckler October 13, 2019 at 1:01 pm #

            Ok I had to look up what Cognitive Dissonance meant

            Having only a lowly BA from State U, where I majored in beer drinking and coed chasing … not political science.


          • capt spaulding October 13, 2019 at 8:04 pm #

            I’ve been known to quaff a few myself, maybe some day we can have a couple while discussing world events.

          • Majella October 13, 2019 at 10:24 pm #

            “What about the US airbase in Turkey which I assume we would like to remain in Turkey, also Edrogan’s threat to open up the gates and flood Europe with 3.5 million more refugees. It seems the Turks have leverage they could use against us if they wanted to”

            So, a couple of threats and you’d back off? A spine like Trump’s.

          • Majella October 13, 2019 at 10:26 pm #

            “…I majored in beer drinking and coed chasing ”

            Two of the thee qualifications required to be appointed to the Supreme Court.

  66. Majella October 13, 2019 at 2:22 am #

    Ah-ha!!!it all makes sense now…

    Trump famously doesn’t drink alcohol or smoke tobacco (at least one smart move there…probably his only one to date) but he’s been symptomatic of another addiction, besides the fast-food – speed, it explains so much.


    Okay you RWNJs, Trumpistas and the intersecting subset – have at THIS as ‘fake news’!

    (again) https://youtu.be/tPFVHM_G05o

    • Majella October 13, 2019 at 2:29 am #

      ‘Ashes to ashes
      Funk to funky
      We know President
      Don’s a junkie…’

    • Majella October 13, 2019 at 2:38 am #

      …which brings me to wondering – when do we get Jared’s Opioid Addition Cure-all Plan? He’s had 30 months on the taxpayer’s tit, so let’s see some feching results!

      • BackRowHeckler October 13, 2019 at 11:58 am #


        It seems you have the “Two Minutes Hate” drill down perfectly.

        I have to admit I’m looking forward to a Warren victory in 2020. Then when things start going bad — as they most assuredly will — it’ll be our turn, and we’ll hammer her mercilessly.


        • Majella October 13, 2019 at 6:40 pm #

          BRH – I really don’t give a toss who wins – Romney might come through if the Senate realizes its got a loser candidate on its hands and deep-six’s him. I’m just an Anyone But Trumper.

          The guy is an embarrassment on every level and you RWNJs who love him so should also be embarrassed…and may well be when he slips on his own banana skin.

        • Majella October 13, 2019 at 8:06 pm #

          Actually, I’m disappointed, BRH. I thought I’d get a bigger rise and a few ‘fake news’ rejoinders. The eerie silence is unnerving – could it be that the claim rings true?

    • benr October 13, 2019 at 10:12 am #

      Speed usually = bad skin, bad teeth and skinny sorry does not compute.

      • Majella October 13, 2019 at 4:48 pm #

        Who knows what his skin really looks like, benr, under those layers of orange goop?

      • Majella October 13, 2019 at 8:05 pm #

        benr – I’m guessing your experience with ‘tweakers’ has been the down-and-out street people, who don’t wash or clean their teeth (explaining two of your counterpoints) and can’t afford both speed/meth AND food, so lose weight.

        You got anything else?

        • benr October 13, 2019 at 9:37 pm #

          I know what is in the meth chemically and have seen what it does to rich and poor alike.
          Money has nothing to do with weight loss its a simple fact of not being hungry and not eating.
          The Donald clearly likes food and cake!

          You ask me if I have anything else the real question is do you have anything of actual merit or more throw crap at the wall nonsense?

  67. Janos Skorenzy October 13, 2019 at 4:27 am #


    Whites are fighting against the defamation of their Race and Culture more and more. It’s beautiful.

    • hmuller October 13, 2019 at 9:03 am #

      I believe these left-wing white haters need to be confronted, exposed, debunked, and refuted. But book burning seems a little extreme and unsavory to me. Can’t we just boil a couple pamphlets?

  68. Walter B October 13, 2019 at 10:03 am #

    Speaking of un-reality, the NY Ragtimes it up to their favorite line of horse shit once again attacking Russia as a bad guy:


    “Russia has long been accused of carrying out systematic attacks against hospitals and clinics in rebel-held areas as part of a strategy to help Mr. Assad secure victory in the eight-year-old war.

    Physicians for Human Rights, an advocacy group that tracks attacks on medical workers in Syria, has documented at least 583 such attacks since 2011, 266 of them since Russia intervened in September 2015. At least 916 medical workers have been killed since 2011.

    The Times assembled a large body of evidence to analyze the hospital bombings on May 5 and 6, including SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS!”

    Damn, social media posts! Who needs a jurisprudence system when social media can do the job quicker and easier? What a whore, what a worthless rag!

  69. PeteAtomic October 13, 2019 at 10:25 am #

    Where’s Hunter??


    • capt spaulding October 13, 2019 at 11:14 am #

      My guess is he just stepped out to buy a bag of blow.

    • elysianfield October 13, 2019 at 11:21 am #

      Where’s Finc?

      Where’s Scratch?

    • Majella October 13, 2019 at 10:29 pm #

      What business is that of anyone?

      He’s a private citizen. He doesn’t work for the government, doesn’t trounce around the planet on the taxpayer’s dime, doesn’t sit in on phone calls to international leaders…so, where is Ivanka?

  70. Q. Shtik October 13, 2019 at 12:54 pm #

    “Reakwon Jones (Reakwon? Wow, that’s a new one) raced 17 yards with a Rutgers fumble to score 10 seconds into the game sending host Indiana on its way to a 35-0 rout.”

    ^This^ says it all about Rutgers football.

    I tuned in at 1 PM and the camera was on an unfamiliar guy wearing a headset and holding his charts. Turns out it was an interim coach for the balance of the season. Head Coach Chris Ash got canned last Sunday for his less than stellar record over the past 3 + seasons. But let’s not weep for Coach Ash. Rutgers still owes him $7 million and he already has a new job doing color commentary somewhere in Texas, I think.

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    • elysianfield October 14, 2019 at 12:50 pm #

      ““Reakwon Jones (Reakwon? Wow, that’s a new one) raced 17 yards with a Rutgers fumble to score 10 seconds into the game sending host Indiana on its way to a 35-0 rout.”

      ^This^ says it all about Rutgers football.

      Sooo…their hired blacks beat your hired blacks?

      That says it all about College ball in the bigs….

      Boola Boola

  71. Evidence of Russians bombing hospitals in northern Syria looks comprehensive and utterly damning.

    The only proper response to this is to start thinking about Regime change in Moscow. A touchy subject here, I know. So many friends of Putin.

    • BackRowHeckler October 13, 2019 at 1:43 pm #

      You can lead the charge, Snacks,

      • BackRowHeckler October 13, 2019 at 1:45 pm #

        Navigate your Gunboats thru the Dardenelles into the Black Sea. The Russian Atlantic Fleet will be waiting for you with a warm welcome.

        • Walter B October 13, 2019 at 4:50 pm #

          In 1972 those of us serving in the army took note that those who shouted the loudest for military action were always the scum bags that never served nor ever would, but were happy to have us do the killing while they pointed out the victims. Screw them, let them fight their own battle, cowards and shirkers that they are, not that they have the courage or the fortitude to shoot anything off besides their big mouths!

  72. It’s become critically obvious that Trump is a threat to national security.

    If the deplorables are prepping to march in the streets they better get their walking shoes and picket signs ready.

    He’s going to be removed by end of month.

    • SoftStarLight October 13, 2019 at 3:06 pm #

      Lol this is really good! I bet your stand-up routine is becoming a smash!

    • Walter B October 13, 2019 at 6:17 pm #

      The biggest threat to national security is a growing population of mindless idiots!

    • Exscotticus October 13, 2019 at 9:36 pm #

      LOL. Is that before or after AG Barr and Durham conclude their investigation?

      Barr personally asked foreign officials to aid inquiry into CIA, FBI activities in 2016

      Attorney General William P. Barr has held private meetings overseas with foreign intelligence officials seeking their help in a Justice Department inquiry that President Trump hopes will discredit U.S. intelligence agencies’ examination of possible connections between Russia and members of the Trump campaign during the 2016 election, according to people familiar with the matter.

      Does this mean Dems will try to impeach Barr, too? Oh—that’s right—they can’t impeach him, LOL. But they did hold him in contempt!

      Nothing can and nothing will stop the truth from coming out. I predict subpoenas are coming. Not the congressional political kind, but the criminal judicial kind. The kind where if you don’t show up, police come and arrest you.

    • benr October 13, 2019 at 9:41 pm #

      Impeachment does not equal removed from office!
      Never get through the Senate.
      Get ready to go scream at the sky some more.

  73. Cavepainter October 13, 2019 at 1:20 pm #

    Well JHK, out here in eastern Oregon where I live, a locale greatly favored by those who have the leisure time and discretionary disposable finances, we’re witnessing another aspect of what you’ve prophesied (yet building already several decades back).

    The attraction is obvious; scenic vistas of forested mountains, crystal clear streams, rivers and lakes, where wildlife abounds.

    Notable though (re the topics that reign on your blog site) is this; such activities as hunting, snowmobiling, motorcycle touring, and even the human powered activities requiring much less burdensome cost for equipment outlay (bicycling, snow shoeing, skiing), they’ve all become exclusive to a narrowing demographic much like the “titled families” of monarchical Europe prior to the historical anomaly of 20th Century — broad middle class.

    The contrast between our “titled families” and that of the past is this; instead of castles defensively built on heights (or otherwise socially isolated like the “forbidden cities” of dynastic China) mobility of today permits the economically privileged to geographically distance themselves from the perdition of spinning economic down turn confining today’s “commoners” to an exurbia of failing infrastructure.

    Actually, such defensive isolation is apparent too in how economic privileged families send their children to private schools.

  74. BackRowHeckler October 13, 2019 at 1:50 pm #

    Another lovely autumn day in Southern New England,

    I know, I know, how provincial. I’m not seeing the Big Picture.

    Not too worry, my eye is out for any evidence of Climate Extinction.

    I remain vigilant. (Dont take that to mean if we have an Indian Summer day I’ll be on Times Square, blocking traffic and getting arrested with self righteous zeal)


    • PeteAtomic October 13, 2019 at 2:18 pm #

      What, you can’t have a peaceful day, BRH!!

      Like AOC, you need to be crying & bemoaning your children’s extinction in 10 years 🙂

      how dare u!

      • BackRowHeckler October 13, 2019 at 3:29 pm #

        I’ll have to admit PA, it’s so much fun mocking these ‘Climate Extinction’ lunatics that I’ll miss them when the ‘movement’ fizzles out some time next winter. But by then I’m confident some other ‘Extraordinary Delusion’ will emerge we can make fun of.

        And Climate Extinction isn’t even my favorite. No, my favorite is Wokesters is identifying themselves with pronouns after ther names, “I’m Pete Buttplug, him, he. This is my wife Chasten, her, she”. This is priceless material. The comic possibilities are deep, real deep.


        • Tate October 13, 2019 at 4:05 pm #

          Watch out there big fella, the moderator &/or owner of this blog chastised me for using that apothegm for Mayor Pete once — he even went in & changed the wording in my comment.

          • BackRowHeckler October 13, 2019 at 4:27 pm #

            Really, thanks for the heads up Tate

    • SoftStarLight October 13, 2019 at 3:14 pm #

      Oh wow Brh! Indian Summer? That sounds racial. Do you have enough social credits in your account to utter those words? I’ve earned enough credits to say Indian Giver ;-)! Do you think Liz may be one of those?

      • capt spaulding October 13, 2019 at 8:08 pm #

        Here in Minnesota, we have halfbreed summer.

        • SoftStarLight October 13, 2019 at 8:29 pm #

          Is it your favorite time of the year?

  75. Pelosi’s running impeachment across 4 committees now, beginning to look like a tar baby for Trump.

    Across the isle in Congress, a big spinning grindstone is throwing off sparks as the Republicans sharpen their knives.

    There are three ways this can go from here:

    One is with Trump in front of a microphone and swearing on a bible.

    Two is Trump attempting to evade testimony by running.

    Three is resignation.

    Since I assume the House will vote to impeach, Trump has to be thinking about resignation right about now.

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    • benr October 13, 2019 at 9:46 pm #

      What planet do you live on?
      Or three Trump thumbs his nose at them and has another tweet storm hurting all their feelings.
      Then demands the Justice department redouble the investigations!
      It so simple everything the Dems accuse him of just start the investigations into them and tada.

      • Majella October 14, 2019 at 1:45 am #

        Bent: Li’l Debbie, myself and the majority of the America’s public live in the REAL world…you may vaguely recall it?

  76. There has to be consequences for the Russian bombing of 4 Syrian hospitals in northern Syria.

    I don’t think you guys understand the gravity of the situation. Trump is gone within weeks or months.

    • SoftStarLight October 13, 2019 at 8:41 pm #

      The alleged bombings happened in May. What does this have to do with the situation now? Are you saying we need to get more involved?

    • JohnAZ October 13, 2019 at 11:35 pm #

      Seeing how the House Dem leadership do not have the guts to call a full House vote to initiate the articles of Impeachment, I do not know if impeachment will ever happen. Sorry, Pelosi, OAC and the squad, Nadler and Schiff cannot impeach him by themselves.

      First, they have to have a charge, that does not exist.

      Second, the Red State Dems will not go 100% to follow the leaders.

      The impeachment is a Dem pipe dream.

      Do not forget the Senate. Remember Clinton? Impeach and no convict. Just because the Dem leadership idiots are doing their thing does not mean the rest of DC is nuts.

      I cannot wait until the Republican Senate side starts showing all the Barr, Burham and Giuliani data as they will have to, plus the cowardly whistleblower will have to face Trump and the Senate. This will blow the Dem party to bits.

      Dream on!

  77. Pucker October 13, 2019 at 7:41 pm #

    Do you remember when the Democratic Party used to be the party of the working man and opposed the Deep State and all of the wars?

    What happened?

    But what about the Chinese? Do you remember how until just very recently everybody thought that the Chinese have-their-shit-together because they have a “Plan”, and they can build shit insanely quickly, literally leveling residential neighborhoods, relocating thousands of people, building bridges and buildings in a matter of days? The Chinese are flip-out, ass-backwards, deranged psychopathic bonkers. And the Americans may be worse? We could put Pete Buttigieg’s “Husband”, Chasten Buttigieg who calls himself “Chaz 10” and who listens to a playlist of pop songs he calls “Buttijams” and whose mentor is Harry Potter in change of the American public education system.

  78. Pucker October 13, 2019 at 8:00 pm #

    Nichelle Nichols who played “Uhuru” in the original “Star Trek” TV series and Captain Kirk perpetrated the first inter-racial kiss on American TV. It was in the episode in which they’re on the planet where the alien inhabitants have super ESP powers and can make the humans do whatever they want. (Read: MK Ultra mind control). At one point, they make Spock get a huge boner, and Spock’s really apologetic because huge boners are “illogical”. They make Kirk and Uhuru “Do It”.

    Apparently, at the moment when Kirk kisses Uhuru according to the script and on the set, Gene Roddenberry literally flips out and shouts: “Jesus H. Christ! What-the-Hell are you doing?! Cut! Cut!”

    William Shatner retorts: “What?!” (Kirk’s got a big stiffy in his pants, and Scotty’s freak’n out.)

    Apparently, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. wrote a letter to Nichelle Nichols encouraging her to pursue her role as Uhuru in order to break down barriers and to stick it to the white man, which she did. Uhuru was “Hot”.

  79. BackRowHeckler October 13, 2019 at 8:01 pm #

    Bad News!!

    Another refugee crises brewing in Europe.

    Erdrogan to fellow NATO countries (paraphrased) “We are creating a buffer zone on our southern border. Object if you will; object too strongly and we will release the 3.5 million Syrians you are paying us to hold inside Turkey.”

    What do you think, this time around, will young German girls be at train stations holding signs that read “Refugees Welcome”? Or are those days gone?

  80. Pucker October 13, 2019 at 9:14 pm #

    Confederate President Jefferson Davis (who was a West Point graduate) would often travel to the battle front in the thick of battle. Lincoln, in contrast, would hide ensconced in Washington DC. Lincoln was a bit of a coward?

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    • Pucker October 13, 2019 at 10:42 pm #

      Robert E. Lee could always rely on the fact that every time that Washington DC became threatened that Lincoln would literally freak out and pull Union troops back to Washington DC. You’d think that Lincoln would “Grow-a-Pair”?

      • SoftStarLight October 14, 2019 at 1:03 am #

        Custis Lee, Robert’s son was also amazing and truly a fighter just like his dad. They were both so brave and honorable.


        • Majella October 14, 2019 at 1:49 am #

          Statues! Statues! More statues!!!!

          • KesaAnna October 14, 2019 at 3:31 am #

            ” Statues! Statues! More statues!!!! ”

            If only you could !!!

            As things stand though , you haven’t even made a decent porno flick in twenty years.

          • elysianfield October 14, 2019 at 12:56 pm #

            ” you haven’t even made a decent porno flick in twenty years”

            Speak for yourself….

  81. hmuller October 13, 2019 at 9:41 pm #

    Have you ever wondered what esteemed university academicians do with all that government grant money? They write important scholarly papers about how Sponge Bob Squarepants is a racist. I might say a beneficiary of “yellow privilege”, but I don’t want to get into trouble with the Asian community.

    No mention of the injustices done to sponges – snatched from their homes, carried on sponge slave ships to Wal-Mart, and sold to clean toilets!


    A university professor deemed the beloved cartoon “SpongeBob Squarepants” “violent,” “racist,” and “insidious” in a scholarly article.

    SpongeBob and his friends supposedly perpetuate the past injustices against the indigenous people of Bikini Atoll through “SpongeBob’s occupation and reclaiming” of the nonfictional location’s lagoon. The setting of the show, Barker says, is “symbolic violence.”

    “Although the U.S. government removed the people of Bikini from the atoll above the surface, this does not give license to SpongeBob or anyone else, fictitious or otherwise, to occupy Bikini,” insists Barker.

    “SpongeBob’s presence on Bikini Bottom continues the violent and racist expulsion of Indigenous peoples from their lands (and in this case their cosmos) that enables U.S. hegemonic powers to extend their military and colonial interests in the postwar era,” she added.

    Barker is also concerned with the “cultural appropriation of iconic Pacific Island representations” supposedly evident within Bikini Bottom’s “token objectification of Oceania,” taking particular issue with “buildings shaped like pineapples, Easter Island statues, and tikis.”

    She also laments the “Hawaiian-shirt motifs” and sounds of steel guitar that are common themes on the children’s show

    • hmuller October 13, 2019 at 9:43 pm #

      Oh, the horror!

    • KesaAnna October 13, 2019 at 10:20 pm #

      ” …. the children’s show ”

      I suppose I’m some kind of asshole to think that ” Bikini Bottom ” means what I think it means .

      No , the name is entirely coincidental and innocent.

      And that such a name applied in a childrens show is something millions don’t bat an eye at , isn’t tellingly damning.

    • SoftStarLight October 14, 2019 at 1:21 am #

      It sounds like someone who wants to see White Privilege and colonialism in everything naturally sees it in Sponge Bob. This is our future with these psychos. Every bit of existence will be picked apart to find evidence of White racist oppression and patriarchal evils. And they developed all of these things to begin with and then blame Whites for it.

  82. KesaAnna October 13, 2019 at 10:41 pm #

    ” Answers to? Really? You mean God could stop Tsunamis killing thousands of people if he really wanted to? Or stop the polar ice melting? ”

    Are you perhaps suggesting that authority would be bad if it could , but didn’t ?

    Because we have been over this before , and it isn’t rocket science .

    The very best human chess player can maybe think a hundred moves ahead ? ( but maybe doesn’t know how to change the oil in his car. )

    But it’s a good bet that such an authority could think a billion moves ahead.

    The best you could possibly do is assume the worst / assume the bad about such an authority .

    Or , assume the best / assume the good about such an authority .

    Either way , a leap of faith.

    What is certain , certain enough to bet your entire yearly income in a casino if you could , is that no human would otherwise be remotely competent to judge such an authority.

    “Interesting philosophy. ”

    Yours , I’m afraid , is only sophomorically tiresome.

    Like that of a Holy rolling Creationist Cracker , save absent any good news in the narrative.

    • Majella October 15, 2019 at 4:45 am #

      Kesa, your eloquence is engaging and while it doesn’t actually matter, it’d be useful to know who you’re slapping upside the head when you do!

  83. KesaAnna October 13, 2019 at 11:04 pm #

    ” there’s impoverished sections of China where killing female babies is common-place. Female babies? Why females? Because that’s how it’s been. ”

    No , not really just because.

    In Chinese culture , males are fiscally obligated to parents , wives , their children , female siblings , perhaps even grandparents and aunts.

    Likewise , in the same way they are obligated legally .

    Chinese newspapers are chock full of legal notices of parents suing their sons for a cut of their income.

    All of this ; Communism not withstanding.

    In Chinese culture , and under Chinese law , females are fiscally obligated to ………..no one.

    Got a clue as to where I’m going with this ??

    If anyone really gave a good God damned about the welfare of little girls ,

    they would be out stumping with the narrative that women should step up to the plate , and shoulder the burdens , costs , responsibilities , the noxious catch – 22’s and necessary evils.

    Open up YOUR wallet , girl , to people you don’t even like , and who don’t like you.

    Not just the perks , privileges , and the sunny side.

    But who is doing that ?


    Not men , but not women either.

    Not here , and not in Chinese flyover land either.

  84. Pulitzer winner James B. Stewart gave an interview with PBS Snooze-hour on the subject of his new bestselling book, “Deep State: Trump, the FBI, and the Rule of Law”.

    Put. To. Bed.

  85. JohnAZ October 14, 2019 at 12:42 am #

    A model of the USA

    1/2 folks that are liberty first, government control second in their politics. The strongly believe that the US people need to earn their own way through life and the Feds should keep their noses out of it. They are what’s left of the WW2 generation, a big part of the Boomers, part of GenX that need protection from tax tax spend spend.

    1/2 the folks are indulged gimme people who have had their lives handed to them and have not faced life altering character building obstacles in their lives. They will support anyone who offers free anything. Unassimilated immigrants and propaganda babies are heavy in this group.

    The country has two groups of people, very different in polity and characteristics, trying to live together, with majorities of both either in cities, or rural areas.

    The real problem is the Deep State. This is the huge Washington, DC bureaucracy and elected folks that maintain their money supply and power by dividing the two groups above and feeding off the discord. They are huge in scope spreading their tentacles throughout the nation. It is not Dem vs. GOP, as both want their power paramount to supporting the two groups.

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    • SoftStarLight October 14, 2019 at 1:29 am #

      The country is probably even more divided than your suggestion but either way such a fundamental division may just be a bridge too far. The Deep State, IMO, doesn’t need any group of citizens to exist and thrive. They are essentially above and outside of the system. The system is for people like you and me. We are all pawns if and when needed. We are a means to an end for people like these if we are anything at all.

  86. KesaAnna October 14, 2019 at 3:20 am #

    ” The real problem is the Deep State. ”

    The Deep State gave Edward Snowden , Chelsea Manning , and Billy Carter , security clearances , it let Lee Harvey Oswald wander around at will , and globe trot no less , with scarce even the occasional glance in his direction.

    It doesn’t strike me as particularly impressive.

    Meanwhile ,

    a mere three generations ago any poor , illiterate , negro share – cropper could have told you that spies , informants , and moles , are total pond scum no matter who they work for.

    Today , we give such creatures medals and make romantic / heroic movies about them , and a million college graduates don’t bat an eye.

    How many millions believe that you could somehow have a good CIA or a principled NSA ?

    As if you could somehow get a good deal from Lucifer ?

    How many millions today do not grasp the simple concept that state secrets don’t just de – stigmatize lieing for Presidents and generals,

    They de – stigmatize lieing for clerks in the Department of Motor Vehicles of Nebraska , and for 6 year olds ?

    Given all the gross and blatant evils the average person EMBRACES ,

    The Deep State could be a complete joke and yet remain in business.

  87. BackRowHeckler October 14, 2019 at 4:21 am #

    Ukraine is in the news quite a bit lately. Odd thing about Ukrainians I’ve known around here (there are many) Its not one unified community, there are western Ukrainians who are Catholics and attend church with Poles, then there are eastern Ukrainians who are aligned with Russians and attend the Orthodox church. The two groups don’t really mix that much as far as I can see. All of them are solid citizens tho who assimilate real quick; they show up here not speaking much English but in no time at all they are homeowners with pretty good jobs (mostly in the machine tool industry) And then their kids look like they could have stepped off the Mayflower.


    • malthuss October 14, 2019 at 7:35 am #

      Why did the soviets kill millions of them, back when?
      And how many of thier woman are lured to Israel, to be sex slaves
      in Israel?

      Not sure you will see this, JHK starts a new thread today.


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