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Events are in the driver’s seat now, not personalities. Gil Scott-Heron was right way back in the day when he said, “the revolution will not be televised.” Only what he called “revolution” turns out to be collapse, led by the disintegrating news business, so that the people of this land are flying blind into a maelstrom of hardship. Everything is going south at once here, and you probably don’t know it.
If you think we’re headed into a transhuman nirvana of continuous tech-assisted orgasm, social equity, and guaranteed basic income, you are going to be disappointed. Our actual destination is a neo-medieval time-out from all the techno-dazzle of recent decades. It’s not as bad as you might think. The human project will continue at a lower pitch, probably for a good long while, but minus most of the comforts and conveniences we’re used to, and with very different social arrangements. You can waste your energy hand-wringing and wailing over all this, or summon the fortitude to go where history is taking us and make something of it.
The old economy is wrecked. Many Americans already know this because they’ve lost their businesses and their livelihoods. What used to be there isn’t coming back. But there will always be ways to make yourself useful providing things and services that other people need, just not within the crumbling armature of the economy we’re leaving behind. There will be a lot of debris left in the way to overcome, especially the crap we’ve smeared all over the landscape.
One business you can begin to organize right now is a salvage industry, sorting out the reusable components of all that crap — the steel I-beams, the aluminum trusses and sashes, plate glass, concrete blocks, copper and PVC pipe, and dimensional lumber. A lot of this stuff we just won’t be making anymore, certainly not at the former scale. Think of all the shopping malls to be disassembled.
Growing food and getting it to markets is the most critical activity. Poor Bill Gates, addled by his fortune, has bought up something like a quarter-million acres of farmland. His grandiosity prompts him to believe he can organize farming on the super-giant scale — Walmart for corn and turnips. Nothing could be further from the real coming trend: a reduction of scale and scope of farming and of the distribution supply lines that serve it. Poor Bill doesn’t seem to realize that the oil-and-gas-based “inputs” (fertilizers, pesticides) won’t be there for him, nor will the million-dollar diesel-powered combines. Nor the trucking industry. He could do more good for mankind getting into the mule business. (He won’t. Lacks razzle-dazzle.)
The transition between the old giant agri-biz model of farming and the emergent system of small-scaled farms based on human and animal labor will be arduous and disorderly in the early going. A lot of people will miss a lot of meals, and you know what that means. Working on a farm will be one way to make sure you get enough to eat. But also consider all the businesses that have to be created from scratch on the local level to serve the logistics of farming. You are already seeing many food products unavailable in the supermarkets. That will become more distressingly obvious in the disorders of 2021. When food deliveries to the supermarkets get really spotty, the farmers’ markets will not just be for schmoozing over lattes and almond croissants.
For those perhaps not paying attention, Covid-19 has destroyed what remains of education, especially the public school system. It was already moribund, waiting to crash, reduced to a pension racket for teachers. Going forward, the money won’t be there to operate these giant centralized schools and their yellow buses (while paying out pensions). The virus has kick-started exactly the kind of home-schooling pod system (several families combining) that can be reorganized into small-scale schooling for people who want it. People who don’t want it can move into their future without knowing how to read or do arithmetic. We’ll finally get a good test of the noble savage hypothesis. As for the colleges and universities, their business models are toast. They’ll be downscaling and shuttering as far ahead as the eye can see. Whatever remains will be more like finishing schools for neo-medieval ladies and gentlemen — and, by the way, the distinction between men and women will be reestablished. Why? Because reality insists on it. There will be plenty of work for former professors of Intersectionality in the sorghum fields.
A central theme of The Long Emergency is that government becomes increasingly impotent and ineffectual as our manifold crises deepen. Is Joe Biden not the perfect avatar for this feature? He’s spending his first week in office laser-focused on policy that supports transsexuals, about 0.42 percent of the population. When the applause dies down, he’ll be unable to act on anything that might get the people moving on what they need to do and where they have to go.
Meanwhile, we get an exciting show-trial: Donald Trump’s impeachment in the Senate. Not a bright idea. Mr. Trump would get to defend himself, of course. What if his attorneys produce solid evidence (i.e., proof) that the incursion into the capitol building was actually launched by Antifa / BLM cadres? Could happen. What if the Democratic Party gave them some aid-and-comfort in organizing the event? Wondering what is on Nancy Pelosi’s purloined laptops?
President Joe B may not even be in office a month from now. Justice Amy Coney Barrett will rule shortly on the lawsuit against the state of Wisconsin for ignoring constitutional requirements in changing their voting rules. Unlike so many other cases tossed out on procedural grounds, there’s a pretty good chance this case will stand, and the outcome could end up nullifying last November’s national election, cancelling Joe Biden. That will birth a whole new political crisis on top of the cratering economic picture. There are no road maps for any of that.
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GND is a giant psyop. It will be a good show.
GND – Green New Deal. Had to look it up. I thought you were talking about the “Girl Next Door”.
That’s better than my guess– I was thinking GoNaD….
Whatever happened to the Green Old Deal? I must have missed that one.
I think that was the one where we had to give Al Gore money so the polar bears wouldn’t drown. He was supposed to buy them all “floaties”.
Maybe that sorta kinda happened with FDR?
Ask a hundred people at the DMV (if it’s even open due to The Rona), who was FDR and what is the Green New Deal.
I will venture that in Santa Monica three will know and in Chicago none will know.
And this is where we are.
The dumbing down of America.
Success!
Grift Biden’s GND… Buy dysprosium and other raw material inputs for “Green” technology. Windmill turbines, last I read, cost more energy than they put out (all costs figured in).
Just make sure to sell that dysprosium (etc.) to some subsidized green businessman before the system grinds to a halt…
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Loved Jim’s comments about Bill Gates & mega-farms. Yet Another Intellectual Yet Idiot.
Nice essay, but too sanguine, I’m afraid.
You forced me to look up sanguine.
Do you mean, cheerfully confident or accepting?
I would go for accepting, since these days are nothing to be cheerful about. We accept, we adapt and we move on. With America’s, perhaps the world’s social structures circling the drain as they are, acceptance of change, and the necessity to adapt is probably the most mentally healthy position to take.
Events happen.
Pete, yes, that confidence or cheer is another meaning of the word and you could be right. Had to look it up too.
You might want to look up “irony” too.
“Sanguine” not enough for you? There’s lot’s of fun to be had exploring the other ancient Greek humors:
http://www.greekmedicine.net/b_p/Four_Humors.html
Beryl, had to look it up. It can mean a red color, kin or family, bloodthirsty, ruddy, and what I think is maybe the meaning you want, ‘sang froid’, literally cold blood but meaning ‘calm under pressure’. Always good to learn new words on this blog.
I’m wondering what dictionary y’all are using?! Most common synonym for sanguine is ‘optimistic’… I’d suggest that was Beryl’s inference.
^ ^ This.
People need to read more Sam Clemens.
This far down the Comment section road, we/they still haven’t come up with a way to denote sarcasm or irony in word choice. See below.
In medicine, if the drainage from a wound is bloody it is sanguineous. If clear it is serous.
Especially on Amy Barrett or SCOTUS doing anything useful…not likely….
Oh, Jim, there you go again with your dream future of yeoman farmers and village blacksmiths! Much of what you say about the unwinding of the American state is true enough in all likelihood, but technology and machines will persist, maybe in modified and less extravagant ways. Certainly America’s most successful African American will not fulfill the mars colonization project and we won’t be building any more Gerald Ford class supercarriers, but one way or another motorized transportation and electrification will continue. People will not give this stuff up. There is too deep a foundation of mechanization for it not to adapt in ways you may not know at this time. Will we be poorer? Yes we will; all empires’ populations suffer drastic declines weh the tribute economy goes bye bye.
I agree with you. Technology will continue as long as there are the financial and social structures to support it. However, there are possibilities for it to implode, if the polity is not there to provide the law and order necessary for organized society.
Looks like that is already becoming a problem. Antifa tore Tacoma apart in revenge for that poor cop driving through that crowd of kids watching a drag race in downtown.
Speaking of Antifa, it is very interesting how on the verge of The Second Impeachment of Donald John Trump for siccing all his supporters into the Capitol during his big “Insurrection”, “The Justice Department” has suddenly decided to not “charge” any of Trump’s gang because “all they really did was to trespass!”
Of course the REAL reason they do not want to release all the mugshots on these DICKS (personal pronouns he/him/she/her/they/it/them?) is because the bulk of them pre-planned the “riot” by days and are affiliated with Antifa (and Soros and the DNC).
I know.
Yes – it’s all antifa. Everywhere. Paranoid ditherings of an old white dude.
Or as some would call it the truth as well as fact.
Just because you deny the truth and fact does not make it actually false.
Eric:
Since the refineries, power stations etc. necessary to provide power for your future technovehicle will no longer be functioning, perhaps you can stick a mast on the roof, stand behind it, and blow hot air into it.
I wonder how much mileage you’ll get per pound of stewed road kill.
Yep, the only scenario where JK’s feudal arrangement happens is if 50% – 70% of the population is wiped out and there arent’ enough skilled people to maintain things, produce things, get fuel to market, etc. Fuel would have to be flat-out unavailable before large scale farming becomes uneconomical. Then we’re talking mass starvation. Things are gonna get crappy in ways no one has imagined. In the same way no one imaged things would be the way they are now… a year ago.
How long do you think that will take from the time the trucks stop restocking the shelves at Shop-Rite?
The coronation of hologram 46 sent a shockwave through California gas prices.
They have started climbing to levels not scene since the Kenyan declared energy prices will skyrocket.
Last night in XM patriot radio the host said prices have climbed on average .10 cents around the country.
In Southern hell I mean California its almost four times that much.
Its not that the trucks will cease delivering but that the cost of diesel will cause prices to continue to climb into the stratosphere.
The days of cheap junky Chinese made goods and shipping Chickens to China and back for processing will be over.
That might be the only good thing about this.
Other than that Joe Biden is not my resident in the whitehouse.
JHK, do you think our parasitical and mendacious political overlords are going to give up their exalted positions and the perks that come along with it without a fight? The civilization might be going to hades in a handbasket but surely they’ll find a way to tax the citizenry to death to protect their generous pensions and salaries, not to mention their exorbitant expense accounts, generously funded by the taxpaying public. Won’t they come up with some new revenue stream like legalizing prostitution and blackmail or finding new ways to extract money from the public by levying hefty fines on the public for leaving their homes without permission from the proper authorities or inviting their friends and neighbors over for coffee without notifying bylaw enforcement officers?
in upstate NY gas prices are already up 20 cents a gallon
I guess I should expand on one the sentences.
Its not that the trucks will cease delivering but that the cost of diesel will cause prices of the goods they are carrying to continue to climb into the stratosphere.
The people don’t have to be wiped out. The systems that we have in place are complex, so the only thing that has to be wiped out is the means to maintain those complex systems that are managing everything. Complexity is the enemy of design. Technocrats have virtually no idea about that very basic concept.
But with the advance of knowledge, applications of said tech has to get more and more complex.
sundance47, in order to avert the possibility of mass starvation, would you agree that it would be prudent to develop a repertoire of subsistence agricultural skills, starting yesterday?
If the GND were actually implemented, 90% of the American population would be dead within 10 years….
The reason jhk’s work and peak-oil-focused ideas sometimes get short-shrifted is: they are long-term-focused. It may be realistic to assume our tech society will not disintegrate overnight. It’s completely unrealistic to think it won’t essentially fully disintegrate over 2-4 centuries.
gustafson.robert.22, as I recall, John Michael Greer has covered the timeline for societal collapse in his original blog, The Archdruid Report. Or was it Dmitry, channeling Tainter? Perhaps Mr. Kunstler or someone else might provide a link to a site to and archive where collapse scenario timelines are discussed?
Yeah, Jim’s has some deep-seated yearning for the Amish way of life, that’s for sure. But short term it looks more like long line-ups at gas stations, more soup kitchens and billions more for Jeff Bezos and the Waltons (not the ones around Jim Bob) . Of course, there are warning signs that it’s going to get worse before it gets worse even more. Jim is right; the exec order letting pervs into women’s changing rooms and allowing them to destroy their competitive sports is one sure sign that it’s going to be a faster ride downhill from now on. The other is the senile baboon signing an exec order freezing Trump’s HHS directive to lower the price of insulin. Who will benefit from that, Joe ? Do you understand you are killing people ? And where the hell is Bernie?
Yeah, it’s a foregone conclusion that the returning powers-that-be are wacked out more than Don Chaos and his coalition of right-wing fixers, right-to-lifers, gun nuts, Pentagon suppliers and trailer-park imbeciles who don’t give a damn about the insane federal deficit, profess to love for-profit health care which robs them blind, drive over rusty bridges and can’t afford a kid in college. But, all that said, my hunch is that we still have miles to go to farmers’ markets. (Incidentally “Farmers’ Market” is a supermarket chain here in Canada).
Not just insulin but on many prescriptions.
Can’t wait to see how SNL covers “The Big Guy” (refer to Hunter Biden’s laptop if you need to see the clear reference to Joe Biden being “The Big Guy” who needs his 10% cut from the shady Chinese/Ukraine deals).
Jim Carrey playing “The Big Guy” signing absurd Executive Orders while Carmalita hovers around him (Tina Fey?) drooling as she dreams of her swearing-in.
Funny stuff!
Would make me watch again after tuning out 30 years ago!
That EO is horrible, but it won’t kill as many people in the long term as cancelling the Keystone XL and the fracking industry…When the dollar collapses, energy will be unavailable for much of the population….
The oil will get out, carried aboard tank cars riding on Warren Buffett’s BNSF Railway. While I love railroads for their ability to haul massive amounts of freight, pipelines are more efficient for oil and gas. Oh, why did Buffett buy BNSF? He said it was undervalued. I suspect it was because Barry the Savior told him in advance that he was about to kill the Keystone Pipeline, and BNSF provides the primary line to get that oil to American refineries. Not that Democrat pols and Democrat plutocrats collude or anything, though.
As for drugs, as with energy, the goal of our betters is to make them expensive so that we can’t afford them. That makes us increasingly dependent on government for our necessities. It also allows the “better sort” to make the unwashed masses into paupers, if not completely extinguish them.
Kinda makes you glad the “party of the people” won, doesn’t it?
Erik, yes. Many forms of technology using ever scarcer energy sources will be around for those who can pay for them, I think.
Maintenance will be an issue though. Planned obsolescence, things designed to be thrown away and not maintained.
There will always be a luxury market, but the industrial and shipping capacity to keep it supplied will likely shrink at some point.
We don’t have enough electricity from solar or wind to run most of what we do in society. We do get about 17% of electricity, and 11% of overall energy, from renewables:
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=92&t=4
So, reduce energy inputs by 90% and you can get by with what we have. There will be no growth as no excess energy comes into the society.
I think you’re right: fighting to maintain some electric infrastructure is key. I’ve been riding an electric-assist bike for two years, powered by a LiON battery that has dropped in efficiency quite a bit, but it still allows me to traverse 30 miles in about 2 hours. The energy usage compared to a similar car that might burn one gallon of gasoline to go the same distance (in 1/4 the time) is quite a bit less. The battery takes .4 KWh, and the gallon of gasoline is 33.4 KWh, so 83.5 times the energy to go the same distance.
Of late I’ve been biking short distances to the market just to add back exercise that non-commuting has denied me. I’m exposed to the weather; I cannot carry much; I’m a single traveler, so my wife cannot accompany me. Still, this shows a vision of possible mobility preservation in a future world made by hand: no cars, and no horses or mules, for which we will not have enough forage. Instead, electric-assist bicycles and maybe tricycles (for more people) will have to suffice, and the amount of distance we can traverse in a day might be limited to 50 miles or so.
A larger world than medieval people, but a much smaller world for most than we have now.
You’re ignoring the hidden costs in that technology on the macro level. The oil needed to produce the machines and power the battery.
Thus you calculations are meaningless even if true.
I figured I powering the battery on small solar cells. I could still get around; would anything get delivered by diesel truck, though? Likely no.
Eventually electric assist bikes will be unsustainable, too, as you note, but that won’t be my longer term problem. I expect that unpowered bikes will be a large part of transport, providing as they do horse-level distance without horse-level expense.
The calculations are true, btw.
Truthfully, the only way to make bike transport work is converting old rail lines to relatively level bike paths. The hills are a killer for all but the healthiest of older people.
TomSchmidt,
You forgot to factor in the petroleum needed to maintain smooth asphalt for you to ride your bike on. Biking’s impossible when you’re trying to pick your way through craters, cracks, chasms, and heaped tar rubble.
A road bike yes but some of the higher end mountain bikes well go around over or through some pretty messy terrain.
Mountain bikes: how we visit friends and go into town in the future. Get yours now, plus 2 or 3 pumps and a bunch of tubes.
(Or cozy up to your Amish neighbors. Those people are looking so prescient now…)
Many bike paths near me are concrete. Ancient technology. Could we still produce Portland cement in the long emergency? Possible, but unlikely.
Asphalt paths are quick and easy and useless after 10 years due to root intrusions. Sadly, that’s all we are getting now.
I expect that pm as in WMBH, a lot of obsolete roads will become the feedstocks for future asphalt, which is highly recycled today. All you need is heat: solar asphalt recyclers anyone?
the asphalt will be mined for fuel going forward — it will be burned like bituminous coal. Much like the medieval romans cannibalized classical temples to build villas. The barbarians didn’t destroy much — 500 years of gentry did. Had Rome been abandoned the city of the Caesars would be completely intact
How about recycling plastic and/or old rubber tires to make a biking surface?
Although I am a big bike fan and bike a lot I think it was unwise to convert so many railroads to rail trails. That has cut off a possibly important avenue for rail transportation infrastructure of the future.
DrTomSchmidt:
Thank you for your post, for two reasons, primarily. 1) The link to the era.gov energy website, and 2) your cost/benefit comparison & contrast of energy used by an internal combustion powered car and a LiON battery powered bicycle.
I was a daily bicycle-commuter in the days up until 2018 when we pushed the GRB (Great Reset Button) and relocated to the sticks. I still have my man-powered bike, (a TREK), and ride it occasionally, but not to the same extent I did between 2015 and 2018.
I also still have my 2002 Chevy Silverado Crewcab powered by a 6.0 liter Vortec V-8 engine paired with an Alison Transmission. Hoo-ha! It’s one hell of a powerful truck! Right now, it sits in my driveway with a full tank of the gas I filled her up with back in November. “Necessary Use Only”. It’s a good policy. My bike, truck and I work together in a symbiotic relationship that makes daily practical sense.
Great to read, Paul.
JHK for years has been advocating the reconstruction of America’s railroads, as we will not be able under the long emergency, to move everything by truck or passenger car. We did not do that, though wise states have preserved rights of way as bike paths so that rail restoration could be done quickly in an emergency. The Harlem Valley railroad was originally a source of fresh milk into NYC before it was replaced by trucks.
If our world shrinks, we won’t need to move people far; that’s what the Great Reset has done with all that commuting gas no longer needed to get to offices. We will still need to move goods, and that problem will remain a problem if oil is in short supply.
Technology will exist. That is, there will always be techniques to smartly apply knowledge to accomplish necessary tasks. What will die is the unnecessary complexity that has become a cancer that eats the practical in exchange for Rube-Goldbergian insanity. The rubes who hold the gold (not really, but metaphorically in the forms of 0s and 1s) don’t know how to turn a screwdriver, but they love shiny things and gloat about how their plumber/electrician/carpenter is the best. Those guys know their trades. In complex systems, someone has to know something about all of them to put it together. The more complex it gets, the less likely someone or some team is able to do that. If it requires a team, and the complex economic system we have makes teams more and more difficult to manage also, and/or those teams themselves rely on complex management schemes….you see where this is going.
The statement might be understood saying:
“Energy, like time, only flows from past to future“
Wailing.
For a preview of what to expect from technology in the future, you may want to read “La Chaleur Solaire et ses Applications Industrielles” by Augustin Mouchot (Now available in English under the title “Steampunk Solar.”)
Mouchot worked out the practical details of the physical engineering of solar heat in the 1860’s and 1870’s (ie., not solar panels–but refrigeration, yes!). His barely-achieved goal was devices that can provide up to 1 horsepower of usable power.
If you scale back your expectation to 1 horsepower (or less) on sunny days only, then you can indeed have small electric devices for centuries to come– So long as the Village Electro-Smith can make them with hand tools…
Exciting, aibohphobia! Do you have a link? I’m wanting to read that sucker!
Ditto. (He means well but the solar thing is a tragicplan.)
Here’s the 1879 2nd edition, print only from the Big River:
https://www.amazon.com/Steampunk-Solar-Engineering-Age-Steam/dp/B088GKF31G
Here’s the 1869 1st edition, ebook only– It seems to have most of the content of the 2nd edition.
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/789934
Here’s a scan of the 1869 1st edition in French;
https://archive.org/details/lachaleursolair00moucgoog
Small-scale, localized, individual expertise: the future – for those that have one.
People do not have to give things up – when those things are taken away from them.
Erik – Part of the whole meltdown is that we will be losing the electric grid. Yes, this will happen. We already have many outages you don’t hear about unless you read the fine print in the print newspapers…. Then what happens to all your gadgets? Many young people do not have their times tables memorized so without their iphones they’re lost…I asked a bank clerk – just testing – what was 8 times 7? She tried to look at her phone, I said no, just your brain, and she came up with 35. 35! No clue/ Sad. Jim is right. I left cityworld years ago and am up here in Maine on my little farm growing my own organic food—not idyllic but an all right life sufficient for most of my needs…
I bought The Long Emergency several years ago, and have read it through two or three times. Seems like it might be time to read another book. Wondering, should I get Living in The Long Emergency, or is it mostly a repetition of TLE? Or maybe I should get the World Made By Hand series?
Recommendations requested.
Have your read JK’s Novel series the World Made by Hand?
So Many Liars: Get all of them! Jim’s talents shine in these books. His novels are world-class, IMO. They are very engaging, and hard to put down.
Living in the Long Emergency is a nice follow up to the original book. It rehashes the basic premise but only to set the stage as most of the book is a collection of case studies of various people across America that have actively taken measure to live in a world that is more both more grounded in nature and more local in disposition.
The World Made By Hand series is a completely fictional version of a near future after collapse. Some very memorable characters and I especially like the 2nd book in the series, Witch of Hebron. Very good tale in that one.
I loved the WMBH series too. And re, Living in the Long Emergency, I love that, somewhere in upstate NY, there’s a hen called Solange. Hope she’s still there!
Living is a compendium of folks relating how they are doing during the early part of TLE. Good read. It also updates the progress into the abyss.
One thing is apparent, JHK wants “signs”, that what he sees as a major collapse in our world. He wants people to be aware and prepare. What he says is going to happen, is going to happen, especially Peak oil.
Medieval times? A statement of what life will be with no mechanization available. Oil shortage and a lack of capital will destroy big ag. I wonder if the movement of capital from the producers to the gimme population is not going to pre date the Peak oil. You cannot pour money down the economic cesspool forever as the Liberals seem to want to do. Also, remember that this model cannot support the number of people, a harbinger of the die off the Elite want so much.
BTW, if this suicidal tendency continues, we may be better off with China running this country. They could not be worse than the group of nincompoops doing it right now. The Democratic Party is lethal.
Maybe China is already running the country. I know it can’t be Sleepy Joe.
The country is being run by the same people it has ALWAYS been run by. George Carlin explained it all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5dBZDSSky0
John AZ, “we may be better off with China running this country”: God forbid.
At least we would have functional rail infrastructure. Would speech be any less free?
I think I’ll visit the local library first just to see if JHK is represented there. Maybe check out WMBH and then order the rest of them after I read the first.
Usually I prefer non-fiction, but fiction is a nice diversion sometimes. I’ll probably get Living in TLE as well.
Thank you for the book reviews!
I loved the four volume WMBH series. There were enough lose plot lines and possibilities at the end to justify more books. I hope JHK writes them. You can find good deals on used copies on Amazon.
Before you go, check online to see if it is even open. Mine has been closed since last March. But it does offer books online which I can read with my Kindle.
All four of the WMBH set are available at one library convenient to me. Open from 10:00 to 8:00.
Sometimes things just work out, don’t they?
By the way, I don’t mind purchasing the books, but I think we need libraries too.
In many aspects, WMBH series could be considered ‘speculative documentary’.
I’m not much a fan of fiction, but I really enjoyed WMBH series. Very entertaining. Living the Long Emergency is also good. It has interesting, real-life characters and that’s the best part of fiction anyways. Get ’em all. I doubt you will be disappointed.
So many liars:
I’m wondering if there might be any interest in taking a stroll through The Long Emergency taking a book-club approach? It’s been a hell of a long time since I’ve read it, and it might be good to have a weekly read/discussion, mediated-seminar kind of approach. It might be a fine alternative to those following CFN who would like to remain with some of the original ideas and questions originally posed by this website, before it shifted to a weekly discussion of U.S. domestic politics and speculative intrigue took over.
Paul
That’s a great idea. Count me in.
I guess I’d better start by buying the book; when I read it years’ ago it was from the library.
Get the World Made By Hand series. I read them when they first came out and have referred to them several times – – some is a bit la-la but the practical living stuff is excellent – and they are mostly, in the end, rather optimistic, despite awful things occurring in between – and then showing how to deal with same.
I am going to make a prediction here that Amy comey Barret will not rule in favor of ousting Joe Biden.
Not because the case has no merit but because she has children and the children can be used as leverage against here.
Yes just like in some mafia thriller plomo o plata style event.
here should be her.
SCOTUS will not remove Biden from office for several reasons; the main one being that they do not want to be responsible for the ensuing disorder.
yes she knows the implicit threats if she rules ~that way~
Expect them to suddenly find the case has no, “standing,” and must be thrown out as a result.
Agree. SCOTUS has already passed up three chances to weigh in on state procedures being unconstitutionally changed by bypassing state legislatures. The constitution is a dead letter even with SCOTUS. America 1.0 has ended.
Should she rule in favour, would that actually nullify the election or merely reduce the deficit?
That’s my question, too. Flipping Wisconsin would not give Trump an electoral vote victory.
It would how ever bring up the merit that election fraud happened on a much larger scale than the MSM was willing to report.
It won’t happen the left is vicious.
PA’s law to change to mail-in balloting was unconstitutional, too. Throw out all the mail-in ballots and Trump wins PA. I think the Republicans take the House, too.
That makes any challenge that flips 8 more votes from Biden to Trump meaningful in making Biden clearly illegitimate. I don’t see it overturning the election, however, or removing Biden.
They failed us once already as a group. Some people say she ducked out of ruling on the Georgia case as well. She’s crap like most the vast majority of them.
She lives in a very, very insulated little world. And her larger world is still very insulated. She would be an outcaste if she ruled against Biden. She won’t do it. Justice isn’t blind with people like this – it’s calculating, and thus not Justice at all.
“Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully.”
? Samuel Johnson
That’s the mindset of everyone who joins the mob, whether it’s the RICO of DC swamp or elsewhere. Go along or it’s your last fortnight.
I agree. “Don’t Make Waves!”, number 1 rule of those who pander to those in power.
“I am going to make a prediction here that Amy [Coney] Barret will not rule in favor of ousting Joe Biden.”
They might rule that the executive action by Wisconsin officials to amend election rules in the face of the pandemic were not “constitutional” – but whose constitution is in play here? AFAIK the Wisconsin Supreme Court has not ruled that way, and aren’t state supreme courts, well, supreme on state constitutional matters?
Anyway, while SCOTUS claims authority to rule on the mechanics of elections (as they did in Bush v Gore), they almost certainly don’t have powers to rule that a president be ousted. A president can only be removed by impeachment or the 25th Amendment. I guess assassination is the option of extreme prejudice.
The Presidency-Executive is an equal branch of government, and not subject to removal / invalidation rulings from the Supreme Court. I expect John Roberts is very aware of that.
Although it would be interesting if they tried it – I assume Joe Biden would simply ignore any such decision(s) – and possibly move to appoint another 12, 24 or 36 liberal justices to the court – or threaten to if they don’t behave themselves.
I think the point is that per the U.S. Constitution only a vote of the state legislature can change the way an election is run. Not a state court. Certainly not a state attorney general. I believe a state legislature trumps a state court.
There is a long discussion of the legal ins an dout at the Unz Review but I think it was back in December. https://www.unz.com/article/election-bomb-shell-the-us-constitution-goes-to-court-or/?highlight=Titley
“I think the point is that per the U.S. Constitution only a vote of the state legislature can change the way an election is run. Not a state court. Certainly not a state attorney general. I believe a state legislature trumps a state court.”
State legislatures (which includes the Executive of each state) are empowered to determine the manner in which electors are chosen, and every state has legislated so that the popular vote winner gets all the electoral college votes (although Maine and Nebraska use congressional districts for this).
However it depends on the legislation – if it says that the Executive (governor, attorney-general, secretary of state, etc) are authorised to make changes to the voting system if circumstances warrant it, then they may be quite within their constitutional powers to make the changes that occurred.
For example, in the case of a hurricane or similar natural disaster, they might be empowered to change voting locations, hours of operation, drop-box numbers, amend mail-in and absentee rules, and so on.
It might be the case that the pandemic was sufficient cause for various Executive officers in the states to make amendments to election rules. I don’t know for sure, but it would seem to me likely that such provisions exist to allow flexibility, and to ensure that the vote occurs in emergency situations.
It’s also fairly likely that Executive officials would not have made the changes they did without solid advice from their legal counsel that the changes they proposed were legitimate.
It’s also worth noting that a number of states won by Donald Trump also modified their rules (Texas and North Carolina have been mentioned), but I don’t see any legal challenges in those states.
The best part about impeaching a President after he has left office? Why stop with Trump?
Next up the Bushes for war crimes. Then Clinton for associating with Epstein. And, of course, all of those old guys that used to own slaves. It will be much easier to remove their statures once they’ve been impeached.
Congress can become a full-time impeachment machine. It’s not like they have anything better to do, right?
This is a real problem: instead of writing laws, Congress spends too much time investigating and trying political crimes. Meanwhile, the judicial branch is more interested in legislating with their decisions. Can’t any of these people just doo their jobs?
And then the poor Executive Branch is left to either defending itself on trumped up charges or enriching itself with grift…depending on which party controls what. Total mess.
Well no: They’re all part of the Club.
” Why stop with Trump?
Next up the Bushes for war crimes. Then Clinton for associating with Epstein. ”
Absolutely! And why stop with Clinton? How about Obama for the illegal bombing/destruction of Libya and the murder by bayonet of Qaddafi?
And why would the impeachee even have to have been president? Wouldn’t the overriding, pathological desire and attempt to become president do the trick? Send her to jail!!
“The best part about impeaching a President after he has left office? Why stop with Trump?”
Trump was “impeached” (House of Reps indictment) while he was still in office. The Senate voted on Tuesday 55-45 that it is constitutional to conduct the senate trial after a president leaves office.
What is at stake (apart from the politics of a conviction for incitement) is the disbarment of Trump from future office. I actually think this is more critical for the Republicans than the Democrats.
A yuge trend in the restaurant business, for years now, has been the farm-to-table movement.
I can’t help but notice that in some of the places that trend was biggest, the locally owned restaurants have been systematically destroyed.
CA “health” officials are now claiming their rationales for who gets wiped out are based on such complicated calculations that they cannot be shared with the public.
Forget farm-to-table, It’s the worm-to-table movement that will revive the restaurant industry. At least, according to the globalist bureaucrats running the EU.
Poor GA, missing out on those delicious, edible mealworms because of Brexit. Yes, those globalists love us like an invading army loves farm girls. They simply want to replace that eco unfriendly meat with environmentally friendly protein (which you can even raise at home in your trash can).
“Yellow mealworm safe for humans to eat, says EU food safety agency
Move paves way for high-protein maggot-like insect to be approved for consumption across Europe
Yellow mealworm finger foods, smoothies, biscuits, pasta and burgers could soon be mass produced across Europe after the insect became the first to be found safe for human consumption by the EU food safety agency.
The delicacies may not be advisable for everyone, however. Those with prawn and dustmite allergies are likely to suffer a reaction to the Tenebrio molitor larvae, whether eaten in powder form as part of a recipe or as a crunchy snack, perhaps dipped in chocolate.
The conclusion of scientists at the EU food safety agency, following an application by the French insect-for-food production company, Agronutris, is expected to lead to EU-wide approval within months of yellow mealworm as a product fit for supermarket shelves and kitchen pantries across the continent.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/13/yellow-mealworm-safe-for-humans-to-eat-says-eu-food-safety-agency
hm
“Poor GA, missing out on those delicious, edible mealworms because of Brexit. ”
Why would you think you can’t already get mealworms and bug-burgers here? We don’t follow the EU in everything.
I’ll pass, personally, although I recognise my own neuroses.
I love prawns, but a friend of mine calls them sea maggots, which is pretty much what the scummy little bottom feeders are. She wouldn’t touch them with a barge pole. We are in thrall to our emotions and our habits.
Which is why I won’t be eating any bugs, thank you. There is plenty of other food around if there’s no meat.
It would be a French company to market the worms. I guess if they’ll eat snails, they’ll eat meal worms.
Nothing wrong with prawns; they’re just big shrimp. I never ask and don’t want to know what they’ve been eating.
These ones are homegrown:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/08/the-worm-has-turned-how-british-insect-farms-could-spawn-a-food-revolution
I’ll still pass. I don’t care if they come from Buckingham Palace.
I’ve eaten two snails in my life, in France.
After my dystopian experience with the first one, I swallowed the second one whole and washed it down rather desperately with my sauvignon blanc. Then I decided my obligations as a dinner guest were fulfilled and I politely refused any more. Permanently.
I did once have ‘cuisses de grenouille too. They didn’t look quite so gross with the rest of the grenouille not attached, and tasted like (you’ve guessed it …).
But I only had one (a pair!) and after that I stuck to actual chicken.
I did used to like a well grilled andouillette, cooked in white wine. And you really don’t want to go there.
“But I only had one (a pair!) and after that I stuck to actual chicken.”
Are you SURE it was chicken??
Actually the point of snails is the deliccious garlicky butter and French bread that go with them. The snail itself is just an excuse.
Totally agree about the point of snails but you can do that with prawns if you have a mind!
Beryl, I thought the same thing – part of my livelihood depends on these trendy establishments, and they are being wiped out.
The pattern I see: big ag & big biz doing well, small growers and their ecosystems (farmers markets, CSA boxes, niche restaurants) not so much.
By design? There’s aisles and aisles of organic and specialty produce for sale, but most is trucked in from far away, or shipped, or flown in. Berries from Chile, produce from Mexico, lettuce from CA. All worked by low wage laborers, and most of the profit stays with the retailer not the farmer.
Like Colin the Chicken in Portlandia? Instead of reading a menu, they read his biography first?
From an interesting article on how ‘Mexican Leftists Fear Biden More than Trump’:
“Recognising portents from their own history, many Mexican leftists see the USA as now being pushed into a civil war scenario by the belligerence and arrogance of the USA Democratic party of Biden-Harris. They see a horrible potential for totalitarian tyranny by this fraudulent ‘Left’.
Many Mexicans see the USA Democrats, as in thrall to a fake ‘leftism’ of billionaires, who mis-use various themes to create a set of pseudo-leftist weapons to grab power:
– The weaponising of minority and ethnicity
– The weaponising and encouragement of de-stabilising migrant waves
– The weaponising of LGBTq and other minorities against those who think in traditional terms of family and gender
All of the above being done to de-stabilise societies and create conflict, the disorder favouring oligarch dominance, along with creating a class of tyrannical commissars posing as ‘leftists’ or ‘antifa’ or whatever, but actually loyal to the billionaires
In poorer Mexico, with its often religious, often traditional and family-loving people, leftists reject and do not even have time for all this ‘woke’ bolshite like fake leftist Americans. But we can see the internal USA war coming. Mexico will be greatly affected, and will be a haven for escaping Americans.
Mexico’s fine President Andrés Manuel López Obrador or ‘AMLO’, a democratic, socialist, but very libertarian figure. AMLO is himself both a victim of election fraud, and a victim of ‘fake news’ media slanders and sidelining. AMLO privately considers it likely that Trump was cheated of his victory.”
The article also discussed ‘likely parametres of USA civil war’, including how one of the big quick problems will be the choking off of food deliveries to the urban areas, and all the consequences that entails. It ends by suggesting that:
“- Mexico will be greatly affected, and will be a haven for escaping Americans
– Rebels will win, USA will dissolve, Mexico will become somewhat larger as majority-Mexican areas near the border choose to join”
Article by ‘Rio Grandito’
https://www.henrymakow.com/2021/01/-patriotic-mexican-girl-and.html
Wouldn’t that be something; Americans flooding the borders to illegally enter Mexico. It could happen, if civil disorder is too great here.
Read Cormac McCarthy’s The Road; plausible scenario.
I agree with you about Lopez Obrador, a man who does seem to see the world as it is.
“Read Cormac McCarthy’s The Road; plausible scenario”
Plausible, except there are going to be a lot more than two bullets for that old revolver. Just sayin’. What was it? Nuclear winter? Asteroid strike?
There weren’t many people left in McCarthy’s post-apocalyptic scenario. No flooding of the border because very few people.
Maybe Mexicans will rush out and complete that wall to keep out the Americans. LOL.
The article make a point I’ve long believed. Those with most of the money and power (globalists elitists) are dividing Americans over contrived issues and tearing down this nation. A people cherishing freedom, heavily armed, and grounded in moral values stands in the way of their one world luciferian agenda.
I often wonder if some of the angrier commentators on this site are paid trolls or true believer “useful idiots” for the criminal deep state.
The angrier or more to the point stupid trolls are probably both.
Brabantian, thank you for sharing that. Interesting ideas.
It’s refreshing to talk about reality, which the first 3/4 of this post did. However, I don’t share our host’s faith in humanity. Instead of finding new ways to be productive, I think most will find new ways to steal stuff, possibly resorting to violence to do so. But I’m probably wrong about that. The last 1/4 of the post, though, expressed belief that some justice might yet come from the grifter class in our country – those who were elected or appointed. It’s not gonna happen. None of those folks are going to risk their federal perks and salary to do the right thing, not to mention their income from under-the-table influence peddling.
The elites will do EVERYTHING to keep the illusion going. Trump did itby printing more money than any predecessor combined and claiming he had the best economy, best military, best of biggly.. he borrowed (printed $$) from nothing just like O, B, C, B, and R before him.
The illusion depends on acceptance of the show as real. Once the illusion is seen for what it is by a majority, any number of small interruptions in the fabric of the illusion can make it fall like a mile high jenga tower.
JK is on point saying the new future is using the components of the fallen tower to build a real future.
Trump did it huh….
Trump had his hand on the tiller but Congress controlled funding.
If indeed the collapse / reset to medieval world is imminent, there will be a horrific death toll before there’s any kind of stable “reduced circumstances” society. Non-mechanized / non-petrochemical agriculture cannot feed 330+ million Americans; 100 million? maybe. Most of the rest of the world is beyond screwed.
Even this may be optimistic – if supply lines break down and society goes “tango uniform” there’s a whole lotta nuke plants going to go critical. At that point it’s lights out in more ways than one. A dozen or so Chernobyls and there won’t be any bucolic “Morgenthau Plan” ex-USA.
Enter the suicide clinics that Vonnegut wrote about in his short story? Who knows.
My hope is that the owners, engineers and average workers at these truly critical mechanized cogs of our infrastructure, understand and appreciate their roles and their importance and look at the circus that is the outside world and see us all as naive fools – meaning, they aren’t influenced as much as we think they are, communicate with each other and have a plan.
I know, it might be wishful thinking, humans are gonna human after all, but out of hubris we often project our vast limited knowledge (since we have “access” to so much information) as us all being able to grasp what your average engineer might know. And of course, all those farmers are just dumb hicks (never mind the vast knowledge they have that the college-supremacists lack the wisdom to consider).
An example: I always found it insulting that some of our great achievements in tech over the last 100 years be attributed as “alien-assisted” on shows like ancient aliens. Just because the hosts can’t imagine coming up with those things 50-100 years ago, doesn’t mean some smarter person didn’t. Heck, just throw on a few old episodes of “How It’s Made” from the late 1990’s, not only is it amazing how they figured out how to engineer ways to mass produce everyday items, someone had to figure out how to make each component of each machine that works together to mass produce these items. It’s a whole other level of ingenuity that I fear is lost these days.
That’s a good comment, and I hope you’re on to something. But here’s the problem, Unperson – you denigrate and beat the snot outta the blue collar beer swilling guys that really know how shit works and how to fix it (with baling wire, repurposed gaskets, silver solder, etc.) at some point they get disgusted and throw their tool box in the back of the Ford and head for the hills. And fuck you yuppie douchenozzle virtue signaling people whose every morsel of chow comes over tops half a dozen measly bridges. 12 million downstaters will be sucking dick for beer money if two squads of Seabees wanted to teach them a lesson. If a company of combat engineers went to work they’d be cannibalizing eachother in two weeks.
If we do get the collapse, part of the fun is going to be seeing the marauders drawn to the easy prey like moths to light. I suspect they’ll be able to find the most edible Eloi based on what kind of yard signs they have. “Hate has no home here” houses should, god willing, become flophouses for Hobbesian squatters. I certainly wouldn’t lift a finger to help such neighbors.
fun??
Schadenfreude, sure. America’s a massive gulag. I’d at least like to see those who side with the warders and preach constantly forced to finally eat their lofty words.
While dining on each other.
I expect marauding gangs will get smaller and smaller as the pickings become slimmer in an impoverished land. For example, a gang of 300, 200, or even 100 can’t maintain cohesion, if they can’t steal enough food to feed themselves.
I expect local defense efforts will be organized. So it may take a while, but eventually the marauders retrain as armed yet mostly peaceful traveling traders, always with one unethical eye open to opportunity.
Ah, Gypsies.
They’ll start small, grow out of necessity in order to find safety in numbers, overshoot that critical mass you speak of and then contract – which will work for a bit – then contract again to a realistic size based on the population and resource market they’re in, but it’ll only take a larger “tribe” from a competing, depleted market to come in and destroy balance.
This all only allowed to happen if things turn into such a hot mess that another world super power (or collectivist group) don’t want to touch the situation, even to exploit it, with a 10-foot pole.
I think there’s this idea of self-sustaining like-minded people “escaping” the consequences of all the bad planners and bad actors, and retreating to some fallback off-the-grid haven. But it would have to a) stay hidden until a significant number of the clowns thin their own numbers, b) be as militarized-focused as they would be food/shelter/clothing c) be prepared to be mobile (up and move their community). And of course, if over the years this “off-grid” community were to become a successful example of non-federally-run society, then if the federal government ever put itself back together, it would see this “competing” way of life as a threat.
The “get off the grid” “panic in the year zero” scenario is wishful thinking that has made a lot of freeze-dried food sellers quite wealthy. Sad fact is that even at 3 million square miles the USA is much too overpopulated to support subsistence agriculture let alone hunter gatherers.
So if the supply lines collapse even the healthy ghetto rat gang-bangers will die about a week or two after the bariatric diabetics. The latter will pass on from organ failure, etc. The former will largely self cancel – the few who don’t die of gunshot wounds will starve in a month (assuming they can even get clean water).
The preppers will mostly hang on longer until they start to kill eachother. There will be a core of real mountain men and women who go deep country and eke out a living and survive. Maybe in 500 years they’ll produce a Thucydides.
People will have to demarcate and defend territories. Only the gypsies are “eternal” wanderers with no home.
Other tribes have a circuit, and a home territory.
Until population is substantially reduced, I think we have to expect vicious local fights over territories and vantage points. Like in the old days. Read Josephson, The Robber Barons. The smart guys figure out where the “narrows” are in the economic system and dominate those narrows.
If anybody is even remotely interested here is a link to the Articles of Impeachment passed by our illustrious leaders in their infinite wisdom. It does not even make sense logically, especially the last paragraph. Removal from office? What office? Let’s Impeach Washington,Jefferson, etc. and remove them from office and the history books too. Surely owning slaves is an impeachable offense.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7347691-Articles-of-impeachment-against-President-Trump.html
The Democrats are delusional. One wonders why they are acting in such a desperate manner. Well, I actually dont…
It is because the Dem leaders are demented to the point of being insane.
Its because the elected leaders are demented to the point of being insane.
I believe the sanity issue is across both parties and not exclusive to just Democrats.
The Dems just appear more bat guano crazy.
I’ll agree that is across both parties, but for most of my lifetime the two-party system has just been a tale of two “competing” grifts, that actually rely on each other.
The Republicans have been out of touch with anyone who could be considered close to their base for years – they were about toast before Trump came along. They are shameless grifters all about exploiting lip-service to the original concept of this country to keep themselves employed and in power while they allow themselves to play “villain” on the national stage to the Democrat “heroes”.
The Democrats are worse, I’d guess half of them actually believe the insanity they spout: freedom is slavery, criminals are victims and victims are criminals, this country was founded on slavery, half the country are white supremacists and systemic racism is everywhere. The half who know it’s all a con are diabolical in that they’re willing to incite riots, violence, death, destruction, division, generational contempt – heck, if it gets out of hand, REAL genocide (not their fake claims of genocide against the ultimate-exploited-class [african americans, aka, americans who happen to be of african decent some how many generations ago? longer than my family have been here]).
The Democrats are willing to destroy an economy just to associate a bad economy with someone they hate so bad they can’t stop lying about them. They’re like that person in a breakup that won’t shut up about their ex.
Furthermore, these criminals in suits – have they ever taken a history class? Do they have ANY intellectual curiosity? They’re just repeating what the communists did in Russia and China, and heck, they’re proud of it. Either they’re naive, or sociopaths, but regardless, they are in total control from an influence perspective. As phony and spineless as the Republicans are, the Democrats are far more conniving and dangerous, and are willing to kill the golden goose to get their “utopia” by any means necessary.
Whosoever sees as you see, sees indeed. Capitalism/Communism: one system, heads and tails. But because of the crazies, the tails tends to get away from the heads. AOC believes every word she sputters. Very dangerous and very angry person of only average intelligence. And that’s just not enough. Charisma can’t replace it, but it can sure get the mob doing what she wants.
You won’t get any argument from me.
What office? The Office of the Former President. Just established today.
Good to have the troller-in-chief back in the saddle, poking away at Biden’s Office of the President-Elect power grab, being funny and deadly serious at the same time. Only those realizing the truth and gravity of the situation get both.
@Uncle Abraham
I must confess, when I saw the Trump had established this hobby-horse of “The Office of the Former President” so that he can continue to make the TDS afflicted masses miserable, I let out one whopper of a belly laugh. This is a hoot.
Anyone with a brain realizes that this is Trump’s way of trolling that ridiculous, non-existent “Office of the President-Elect” that the Biden crew utilized in November, December and January to try to legitimize Biden at a time when the election was still being contested.
Well, what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Now Trump can use his fictitious “office” to troll Biden for the next 4 years and to lead the new Patriot Party Resistance from his HQS in exile at Mar-A-Lago.
This is gonna be great fun….
First I heard of this, and, yes LOLOLOL!!
Good on ya, Don!
If this doesn’t get thr whole country laughing I’ll be a blue-nosed gopher.
And this country sure needs a laugh!
@stelmosfire
I share your incredulousness over this unconstitutional impeachment.
Yes, I know there are 2 or 3 obscure examples of impeachment’s of people who were no longer office holders that have been cited as “precedent,” but all that really means is that past Congress’s were as willing to do violence to our Constitution in pursuit of their immediate petty political goals as our current one is.
It is simply my view that you cannot make an unconstitutional act “constitutional” simply by doing it and not getting called on it. All that means is you got away with it before, but it does not alter the fact that the act was one of non-conformity with the letter and intent of what is in our U.S. Constitution.
At the end of the day, impeachment remains what it has always been, a political weapon – a club – used to beat the crap out of your political opponents simply because you can.
Clearly, the Founders understood that this could and WOULD happen. Which is why the imposed as 2/3’s supermajority requirement for an actual conviction, which they knew would foil most of the frivolous impeachment’s.
This is why impeachment used to be used so rarely. The chances of success were exceedingly small unless the case truly was legitimate and not simply driven by political animus.
It is a shame that the current crop of doofuses on Capitol Hill have lost sight of this essential fact. Apparently, in the age of the 24 hours endless cable news cycle, impeachment is worth doing merely for the opportunity it provides to TAR your political opponents in the court of public opinion.
Like the corrupt cops like to say, “You may beat the rap, but you won’t beat the ride.”
The Medievals used to disinter people to try them all over again.
I enrolled my daughter in 1st grade in a local Catholic school here. Her class size is 16 children. The Catholic school system in town encompasses 3 schools, and it never shut down because of the pandemic. Virtual class is offered, but the majority if not nearly all of kids are still coming to school.
There is a good reason an organization like the Catholic church as an institution has survived. Things like democracy, or the corporate multinational business model that defines modern capitalism– may fall away.
An ancient, universal, centralized, and already feudal organization like the Catholic church (or orgs/religions similar to it), with its diocesan structure– may be the default that the West goes back on.
I’m not advocating for religion. I’m talking about an organizational structure that has survived in the West for around 1700 years. For all its faults, the reason we even know about the idea of democracy (or any advanced philosophy for that matter) comes from the transmission of Greco-Roman knowledge via monastic schools/monasteries.
I don’t think we are going to have fealty to a church again, or maybe we will. Medieval society maintained social order on the Clergy, the Nobility, and the Peasantry: those who pray, those who fight, and those who work.
I am now reading a history of the popes and you are right about the social structure that the Church provided for centuries.
However, I don’t think you understand the current state of the Roman Church. It is now firmly in the grip of ‘modernists’ and globalists. Bergoglio and his gang have captured it and are using it for some kind of secularism that is destroying the essence of it, spirituality. It has regenerated several times in the past, so maybe will do so again.
@shotho
Right thinking…..wrong church.
Rome will not lead the counter-culture resistance to Wokeism.
But Eastern Orthodox Christianity can and probably will. This is about the last segment of genuine Christianity that has not been corrupted and subverted by post-modernism.
The Church has been corrupt for ages. Just ask Dante. What intrigues me is that in the midst of this immensely corrupt organization, large numbers of people find ways to cooperate with each other and accomplish that which is decent despite whatever happens in the upper levels of the hierarchy. There must be an art to it. Religions that have been around a while find ways around corruption, it would seem.
Pete, it seems those who fight did not see it worth while to fight for the republic. Judging by the long faces of the, lets call them clergy, we may already have rule by the nobility.
.. the reason we even know about the idea of democracy (or any advanced philosophy for that matter) comes from the transmission of Greco-Roman knowledge via monastic schools/monasteries ..
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Tell me, how many Arabs and Jews lived in them monastic schools/monasteries? Because that’s where all of the Greek books came from — from the Arabs and Jews of the Middle East. By the Middle Ages, the Catholic Vatican Darkness was so great, that there was NOTHING that existed in them monastic schools/monasteries of the former West. Even a whiff of the Book, the actual Bible was a rare event.
you will be able to expound on this in the future from the safety of your own room in the monastery, akmofo
ha ha 🙂
The muzzies will reduce all that Roman Imperial paganism to rubble and dust.
Hey AK, What’s up with this story? The guys lawyer is 97 years old and the lawyer gets 9 years? Why don’t they just put him in an Italian Nursing home and save the money?
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2021/01/22/Former-Vatican-bank-chief-sentenced-to-9-years-for-embezzlement/8231611338752/?utm_source=join1440&utm_medium=email
The jail is safer and has better access to younger meat to diddle.
Because that’s where all of the Greek books came from — from the Arabs and Jews of the Middle East.
Sure… if only there had been a Greek-speaking empire around to preserve them until, say, 1453 or so.
Your reading assignment: The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise, written by one knowledgeable and pissed-off Spaniard
You win the internet today, thanks.
Best Regards,
Constantine XI Paleologous
I do love the name Paleologos.
No, they had the Bible even if most couldn’t read it. Of course it had the New Testament and thus it was the Completed Bible.
I’m thinking here of the NYC crackdown on the Orthodox Jews, who already had their own system and structure, and didn’t need ignorant boobs like Cuomo the Killer or Commie de Blasio coming in and telling them how to live, for their own “safety”.
Yes, absolutely.
I love the Hasids they do not take *hit from the government. They protest against man’s Israel because it is not God’s Israel, which only comes after the messiah comes. They may be the only sane people in New York State.
edpell, correct. I lived in Israel a while working in a collective farm there, and messianic Hasids are not liked by most Israelis. They refuse to do military service, a big no no in a country where most able people have to do years of service and then be available and train with the reserves for most of their lives. Not uncommon to be on the bus in Tel Aviv surrounded by no less than 10 M16 rifles carried by young men and women, not always in uniform. One gets used to it.
Correct me if I’m wrong. But I thought it was only a minority of the Chasidic Jews who opposed Zionism. I thought most have embraced it by now (if not initially in 1948).
Oh, you didn’t mention all this in your biography heretofore.
hmuller: There are various sects of ultra Orthodox Jews. The Satmars do not support Zionism. But none of the sects really support democracy as readers of this blog know it. They favor a theocracy where rules are laid down by rabbis and there are no voters or elections.
There is a big difference between the Modern Orthodox (like the Kushners) and the Ultra Orthodox (the ones with the side locks, black suits and white shirts). The US does not keep good data based on religion but in Israel, the Ultras over 65 have been dying at a rate 3x the general population from Covid-19. When thousands of people show up for a wedding or funeral, with few wearing masks and none practicing social distancing, it is a recipe for a public health disaster. Read here: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9167889/Enormous-Jewish-wedding-Hasidic-grand-rabbis-son-Brooklyn-cops-say-legal.html
The religious conservatives on the Supreme Court did the country a terrible disservice when they placed absolute freedom of religion above public health considerations.
I totally disagree, People should have choices and control over their own bodies, who they meet, where they go.
Why did these politicians so concerned with health as to ban worship services, grant permission for BLM and Antifa to gather, riot, loot, burn, and hurt other human beings? Or is that all down the memory hole already?
Indeed, let it never be forgotten. Tell it not in Gath, but let it echo forever in the streets of America.
I really doubt that the politicians granted permission for BLM and Antifa to riot, loot and burn.
They certainly permitted it and neutered the police and national guard from effectively controlling the riots.
Anon1970, True, left-wing Democrat Mayors and Governors did not issue formal written licenses for Antifa mobs to burn, loot , vandalize,etc.
But as draupnir points out, this behavior went on in certain cities night after night for months. The police and all law enforcement were ordered to stand down and let “the summer of love” play out.
By any legal standard, the elected officials are responsible along with the Soros funded District Attorneys who refused to prosecute these rioters.
But that’s all forgotten. It’s those dangerous Trump insurrectionists of Jan 06 that keep getting dragged up on all the mainstream news channels..I won’t go over again how clever, experienced agent provocateurs from Antifa manipulated that naive herd. We are ruled by liars and deceivers.
Their bodies, their choices, no?
Your freedom to choose should not include exposing your neighbors to a major health risk and possibly death.
So we need only declare fetuses as neighbors to outlaw abortion, then? It’s a dangerous path you select.
Do tell me what stopped the people concerned with COVID from wearing a proper (N95 or better) mask to one of these mass gatherings?
DrTom: There is a big difference between fetuses inside the mother’s womb and real people.
Re proper masks: Are you referring to BLM/Antifa or the Hasidics? Back in May, N95 masks were expensive and hard to come by. In any event, they are more suitable for protecting the wearer from dirty air related to forest fires or in hospital environments.
Anon1970. Back in May, mask were required everywhere in public where I live (Illinois) They were not hard to come by; they were certainly not expensive. If so, why did everyone have one, as required by the Governor’s decree?
Dr Tom is saying: if your mask protects you, why do you care if the maskless infect one another? It is their choice to take that gamble.
As for fetuses not being “real people”; that is a personal value judgment and a pointless topic for debate.
Any discussion of mask wearing in the context of protection of anyone is a massive misdirection of energy.
There is no evidence that mask wearing protects anyone from catching a virus. Meanwhile the dangers of mask wearing have been demonstrated in study after study.
We are truly living in a world where people fight about how many angels can dance on a pin.
they’ll die off in a few weeks without their Medicaid fraud rackets.
The Church kept order with ignorance and fear. Fear of excommunication.
When the fear of the Black Death overcame the fear of the church, it showed that the church was not omnipotent. Humanism was born, led by the Renaissance and Reformation.
Move to today. Is the impact of Covid leading populations to revolt against today’s Catholic Church, big government associated with hi tech. Are people waiting for the Big One, the high mortality disease, to throw out the bums in DC. Without government, who will control the populace? Social conscience is gone, individual responsibility has died with the election and the hoaxers. What will restructure society?
The Catholic Church? God loves irony!
Or maybe Islam?
https://web.maths.unsw.edu.au/~jim/renaissance.html
Indeed, one can’t be a Christian and a Covidian at the same time. One must choose – and it’s obvious what your choice is.
Yo,
Are you a Christian??
Asking for a friend, she thinks…
During a dispute with the Church over who would be Archbishop of Canterbury, bad old King John was excommunicated and all of England put under Papal Interdict in hopes his people would pressure him enough to submit, but John was nothing, if not stuborn. It lasted about four years, and during that time, the church doors were closed. Baptisms were permitted for the sake of the souls of the newborn, but when chrism (holy oil) ran low, the priests were not allowed to consecrate more and they had to mix it with unblessed oil. The sacrament of penance was allowed, but no dead could be buried in holy ground. That didn’t effect marriage much, because handfasting was still a common practice. When John finally submitted to the Pope, as part of his penance he was required to remove his gown, kneel and be flogged by monks.
That last part sounds like the Catholic clergy were a little kinky, even back then. Was there a fine payable in gold or pre-pubescent boys?
Actually, flogging was a common punishment at that time, but usually only inflicted on commoners, It was particularly mortifying for John to have to kneel there in his skivvies and submit his person to such a thing. I believe they laid it on him with gusto and perhaps ill-concealed glee.
“I don’t think we are going to have fealty to a church again…”
I’d argue this current “cultural revolution” shares many traits of religions of old: blame, public shame, blind obedience, control through guilt, religious chants, forced displays of faith, believers and heretics, sinners and saints, evangelists, priests, cardinals, bishops and a pope.
I don’t disagree that local Catholic schools that haven’t been corrupted yet, are some of the last places you can send your kids where they won’t be indoctrinated with victimhood etc. (all the tactics of critical theory meant to groom a society to be manipulated and dividing making way for a marxist-inspired government). But I think those too will eventually be corrupted. In order to survive they’ll be forced to play along, never mind that the current pope is leaning communist imo.
There’s also Hillsdale College-sponsored middle and high schools. Some of those popped up around me, gave me some hope, because those specifically exist to counter the marxist indoctrinating alternative – and therefore won’t play along – but they too could get “cancelled” once they’re labeled “domestic terrorist” training centers. Evidence not required of course.
Interesting, and probably right.
To this point, I will recommend A Canticle For Leibowitz.
Greetings,
I am very interested in seeing what happens when our very sick population loses access to its medications. 1 in 10 has diabetes so that crowd will be gone within the 1st year. 30 million dead.
1 in 4 women have to take an anti-psychotic to get through the day. I’ve seen what happens when someone goes cold turkey and it isn’t pretty. We’ll have tens of millions of women entirely out of their minds and of no use to anyone – they’ll starve.
The typical Boomer is now taking 4 prescription medications in order to stay alive. Loss of those medications should easily take out half of them and it certainly wont be pretty.
All it would take to put 100 million people in the ground would be an embargo on medications to the United States.
Only 30 Million?
Meet Professor Cahill. First read her resume – https://people.ucd.ie/dolores.cahill
Now watch what she has to say about the mRNA vaccine:
https://video.wakkeren.nl/videos/watch/9bd9f602-e5e9-47e0-b35d-8f1bfd78f0f4?
She describing something known as Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE). Something you’re going to be hearing alot more of next winter.
“What could possibly go wrong?” – http://tapnewswire.com/2021/01/dr-wakefield-this-is-not-a-vaccine-it-is-irreversible-genetic-modification/
Science only a fool would follow.
I have already had my first dose (Moderna) and will show up for my second in a few weeks, I suspect that a lot of people would improve their chances of survival by improving on their lousy diets and getting a little exercise every day. But you can’t tell most Americans anything.
I hope you don’t suffer adverse effects but since this modifies your genetic makeup, you might not know for some time. Good luck.
In the long run, we are all dead. Except for a little discomfort a day after the first dose, I am doing fine.
Maybe I misunderstood, but the RNA modifiers were only in the Pfizer product. Or are they in the Moderna and other vaccines also?
cbeard
This grid groups the vaccines according to the methodology used. The mRNA group is the fourth one down (and includes Moderna). The Astra Zenaca (Oxford) vaccine isn’t an mRNA vaccine.
https://lozierinstitute.org/update-covid-19-vaccine-candidates-and-abortion-derived-cell-lines/
Say hello to Hank Aaron, if your dose doesn’t go so well.
I’m shocked every time I hear someone actually took that nanobot nectar into their bodies.
“Lousy diets.” –Anon1970
Ironic in that most “Covid” cases are from vitamin deficiencies, chiefly from a lousy diet which destroys vitamin reserves, specifically thiamine (Vitamin B1), or from co-morbidities which also stem from vitamin deficiencies and a sympathetic-dominant autonomic nervous system, exacerbated by MSM fear porn.
Fear makes you sick. When you’re sick, you succumb to diseases, including “Covid”. The more people get “Covid”, the more the media bullshits about its dire “reality”, which spawns more fear from a dumb populace.
The vicious cycle keeps repeating.
I take 5,000 IU of Vitamin D, along with various other supplements.
Why a fool??
great point. There is a tremendous amount of psychiatric trouble.
however, a consequence of decoupling from all the techno wizardry, and creating a life routine around working outside to grow fresh nutritious food, in an environment of functional fathers & mothers– will create/provide counterweight to some of the psychiatric problems out there.
So, you are right. We have a very sick population. However, how much of these diseases are directly caused from all the absolute shit people consume through their mouth & eyes & ears in this society? I’d argue quite a bit.
Modern medicine has worked miracles in some areas, but has failed to recognize and provide treatment for the diseases of modern life.
It doesn’t help that some of the causes of diseases of modern life cannot be mentioned for fear of angering powerful profiteers.
” We’ll have tens of millions of women entirely out of their minds and of no use to anyone – they’ll starve.”
I think you might find the exact opposite. Or at least a bit of both. There’s nothing so good at removing an ‘issue’ as a real problem.
Likewise, many diabetes cases (those that haven’t gone too far, anyway) can be reversed by a return to healthy eating and a significant loss of weight, as an alternative to medication. Not all, obviously. Same with those on medication for high BP – exercise (there will be plenty of that) and an unavoidable strict diet and that ol’ hypertension will resolve itself in many cases. The poor folks who got Type 1 diabetes, however, through no fault of their own, will be screwed. Likewise my friend with the defective thyroid.
30 million dead? Well, whatever they die of, you’re looking at a cholera epidemic if you can’t get them buried quickly.
Many times the more high strung in our society turn out to be the most calm ones in a real emergency.
That high level of nervous energy needs a place to go.
Perhaps! People don’t know what’s in them until they’re tested.
Again, I’ve seen what happens when someone goes off of their psych meds and it isn’t pretty. Now imagine that happening to tens of millions of people all at once concurrent with, say, a complete financial collapse. Well, you’d have no choice but to treat these people no differently than if they’d become zombies else sacrifice those that could be saved.
Hard choices await us.
Brewing, fermenting, and distilling are skills known to many and not so hard to learn. Bottom line, there will be plenty of homemade, mostly low quality alcoholic beverages soon after collapse
hmuller, yes! My old farmer friend produced mead and moonshine for years. A valuable skill, and I wish I had learnt more about it. I was trying to learn as much as I could during my time with him, but mostly focused on raising veggies.
Another comfort that farmers can provide is cannabis. But seed is vary hard to obtain now because of the corporate rush to get into it. Like everywhere else, the small grower can’t fight the corporation.
I’ve been experimenting with tobacco. I can grow it, but don’t know how to cure and process it. Disruptions in supply can make nicotine fiends very edgy.
My 90 something grandmother had a rough couple weeks recently because her Virginia Slims (or any other brand) were not available where she lives because of virus restrictions. A potential market to explore there.
Hi Rulo,
re: Cannabis
Seeds are readily available, relatively expensive, but so is the end product. Better to get to know your local growers (go to a township board meeting, throw a rock into the air – you’ll probably hit one), a lot of them will give you cuttings. Most of them aren’t making money and never will.
Mead and Moonshine….
Rulo, now you’re talking, my friend.
@brh
I made a bunch of mead starting very low tech with a plastic food grade one gallon jug, a needle and a ballon, honey, orange rinds and raisons with clean pure water and last everyday bread style yeast.
Not only turned out pretty good but the longer it sat after transfer to a glass carboy the better it got.
As I got more sophisticated the mead tended to get better using different yeasts and I wound up with a carbonated mead that was like very good champagne.
Never got the point where I bothered to look at ABV but it was pretty strong much more potent than most wines or beers.
Had a thought of attempting to distill it and see what I got but I never got around to it.
Then we moved and I was forced to give most of it away.
Rulo Deschamps, I quit smoking 12 years ago. But back in the day I once bummed a Virginia Slim from a lady. OMG, those things are nasty! Maybe, they are an acquired taste.
Ben, sometimes I think you’re my Brother on the West Coast.
A valuable skill I learned in Siberia in the 1990s was to recognize a bad batch of vodka and help each other cough it back up.
Vomiting up vodka with drunken Russians. Sounds like you really know how to enjoy a party, Pat.
Blackbird, I like the seed or cutting bartering or gifting, as you suggest. Corporate crap I hate and avoid. Yes, you can order seeds. Use your debit card, etc. Expensive. Too potent. I don’t like it.
And one thing I noticed, many of that seed is sexed? You only get females. So no seed possible. Any seed of such manipulated stock wouldn’t come true anyway, but you’d get something. Less potent for sure. A friend gave me a few seeds, and no males.
One of the many areas that I know almost nothing about. But certainly has a future. Humans want comforts. The corporate and politico drive to control it is very bad I think.
Heckler, not on the same night though. They dont combine well.
benr, mead does indeed get better with age. I like it that it’s not sweet, more like a good dry white wine. And I can use my own honey, and it has a long history, mead, of millenia. One of the first alcoholic beverages I think.
hmuller, congrats on the tobacco free 12 years. And yes, V slims suck.
I suppose I was thinking more of anti-depressants, Nickelthrower.
How can 1 in 4 people need anti-psychotics? Aren’t they mostly for people with schizophrenia?
I was on an anti-depressant for 2 or 3 years 20 years ago, for a particular reason, not because I’m generally loopy or inadequate.
When I decided I didn’t need it any more I didn’t even tell the doctor. Just went from one a day to half a day, then half every other day, and so on till I’d stopped. Didn’t experience the slightest flutter. Perhaps I’m lucky.
Good for you, GA. Commendable. I went through a similar thing. Had terrible digestion late 80s for several years. Put on an anti-depressant. Did nothing for my health, but did turn me into a zombie. Got divorced, and voila! that solved my problem. My health improved dramatically, went cold turkey, and got on with my life without any withdrawal symptoms.
But Nickelthrower is also right. Many scary stories of people whose stress levels are so bad their autonomic nervous systems are stuck on high-level alert. Cold turkey for those people — and there are a lot of them — is disastrous and often life-threatening.
Thank you, SF. Nice to see your softer side!
Anti-depressants can be helpful in particular circumstances. My sister-in-law has just got some, owing to losing her son in April and her husband 11 days later. They can take the edge off and help you get up in the morning. She told me she cries in the car all the way home from her part-time job because she wants to avoid getting upset in front of her other kids – grown up but still a bummer to lose a third of your family in days. So I try not to judge generally, on the anti-depressant issue. Everyone has their threshold. And then there are the people who have genuinely serious clinical depression owing to chemical imbalances – nothing to do with their life otherwise.
But your digestive story interested me. I used to get terrible nervous-type stomach aches too until I got divorced. And in the 80s too!
The secret of coming off anti-depressants is to do it very gradually. Don’t know anything about anti-psychotics.
Good point. Brits got healthier during WW2 on reduced rations. Modern life is devastating to women. They live in a perpetual state of terror at having to deal with men – whom they’ve been assiduously programmed to hate and fear since birth. Thus many won’t marry or have children – insuring that their mental illness turns to madness.
“Brits got healthier during WW2 on reduced rations.”
That bit’s true. The rest? O.M.G.
Does the verb ‘ensure’ not exist in US English? Genuine question as I keep seeing ‘insure’ on here.
In the UK you insure your car.
But you ensure that you do it on time.
Yes ensure is used in American english.
Thanks, benr!
Can one even buy insurance, for those times mental illness turns to madness? LOL
That’s hilarious. I’m the happiest woman I know (single by choice for 20 years).
There was even a study out some years ago that concluded single women were happier than married ones, and married men were happier than single ones… because men usually get the best deal in a relationship.
That’s because you’re MarV. The rules that bind lesser women do not apply to you. Marriage is no longer viable for men since it ends in divorce more than half the time, 70% of those brought by women.
@Yohannon that’s right, I do not think I am typical in my thinking about most things.
“Thus many won’t marry or have children – ” Insanity is hereditary. You get it from your kids.
My kid is very smart mouthed. I told him ‘just wait, someday you’ll have kids of your own’. He said ‘yeah, maybe you, too.’
– Rodney Dangerfield
GreenAlba, you’re right that many folks with type II diabetes and hypertension will actually get better, for the reasons you list. Who will die: type I diabetics, hemophiliacs dependent on injections of clotting factors, dialysis patients, a great many cancer patients, a great many heart patients, severe trauma victims, a great many autoimmune thyroid (Hashimoto’s) patients (unless they eat mammal thyroids), anyone who now has to go to the hospital for lifesaving antibiotic treatments (for example, pneumonias, toxic shock syndrome, severe cellulitis, pelvic inflammatory disease, and so on), the severely mentally ill, the profoundly developmentally disabled, anyone subsisting on total parental nutrition like end-stage Crohn’s patients, perhaps a lot of drug addicts, everyone who chooses to commit suicide, everyone who will be victims of homicide, the frail elderly (especially those now in nursing homes)–let’s see, I’ve left a lot out, I know, but these should all total up to a sizeable number of folks.
I think some of those insane women run for office, if DC is any indication.
I’ve lived in the DC area briefly, (and hope to never return) One of the first things I noticed was that the women were different. Very assertive, confident, large and in charge. I found it very off-putting..
D.H. Lawrence has a good essay on this topic, “Women Are So Cocksure.”, which details women — while referencing the situation in the U.S. — who are brassy, super-confident, aggressive, brittle.
But he blames it on men who were then, in the 1920s and 1930s (and, many would say, are) pushovers, ineffectual milquetoasts at home even as they’re lords of the boardroom at work. Women don’t really want this, and so they strike out with ‘independence’ bravado, not realizing that that way is doomed, as well.
I agree, and see this all the time.
As Lawrence also said elsewhere (in a poem), and paraphrasing, “men will stoop so low for a piece o’ cunt.”
Damn, that guy had a lot of insights. In addition to leading the Arabs in overthrowing the Ottoman Empire.
hmuller,
Hope your comment was meant to be funny, because it was. Lest you lead anyone astray with your history bending humor, T.E. Lawrence was the one who stirred up the Arabs. I doubt the Arabs would have teamed up with D.H. if they got a look at his books.
1 in 4 women have to take an anti-psychotic to get through the day.
HAVE TO or told to? 80 years ago, they were prozac [tm] free.
Yep, as soon as a doctor puts up his shingle, the Big Pharma executives come knocking with their product, with freebie incentives (cash, gifts, even kickbacks in some cases) for those same ‘objective, first-do-no-harm’ docs.
It’s a racket from day one.
I’d say 4 prescriptions is pretty conservative.
My most fervent wish is for professors who spent years hawking ‘gender studies’ to end up toiling in the cornfields. How apt.
I wonder how many people will be obsessing over their selfies and pronouns when there’s no food in their pantries?
I am hearing rumors that the inauguration was pre-recorded. That may also come to light: Wag the Dog, the movie, more predictive programming? Sorta like House of Cards was?
We’ll see.
Great post.
Armored men on horseback, sent from the local liege lord to see how the harvest is going– won’t have time for pronouns.
hahahhaa!
MaryV: As someone who is a faculty member at a major university, and who has had to deal with these intersectional gender-study harpies on a regular basis, I loved your post. I hope it is as prophetic as it is amusing. 🙂
Daddyotis,
I hope you and your colleagues find the courage to challenge these evil, envious cretins. They’ve had too-long a run.
I think back to some of the scenes from The Dead Poet’s Society (the movie), where the oppressor is an overly conservative dean and the threat of close-mindedness. And the “villain” seems tame compared to the mainstream-accepted authoritarian rhetoric coming from Democrat politicians and talking heads on the msm.
It’s as if present-day academia looked at the “oppressiveness” of past conservative academia and was like, “hold my beer”.
Little do these geniuses know that in all their infinite wisdom they’re more naive than your average rube. Why? Because the con they’ve fallen for and evangelize – all the ideas inspired by the Frankfurt School’s critical theory con – exploits the ego, not the intellect. And once your ego is exploited you are easily manipulated and will throw out all logic to hold two opposing realities true.
Excellently stated.
Good lord man! My sister is one! She taught gender studies for years. Now she identifies as any number of things, and each new identify gets her closer to a gold medal in the Oppression Olympics. Being a lesbian had gotten too passe, you see….
And I also work in a college. So I feel your pain – AND HOW.
Our district’s academic senate president started the semester by announcing to all students that Trump incited a violent coup d’etat at the capitol, and that all his followers are white supremecists.
They actually preach this stuff as fact. We’re doomed.
Good thought on the profs, Mary. (Gender studies, Whiteness studies, intersectional race theory)
Issue those worthless parasites a hoe and a shovel, send them out into the fields to do something useful.
All those things born out of critical theory. It’s the con that makes its own gravy.
I’m against censorship, but we’re being taught this critical theory con at my work (mandatory) and were even told that if we don’t believe there’s systemic racism, then that proves we’re a part of it. My problem with this being taught, is not that it’s “dangerous” speech. It’s that the counter argument isn’t being taught, nor even allowed, as the critical theory-inspired classes are designed to insulate themselves from criticism. When it would be easy to show all the parallels between critical theory and communism, and poke a million holes in their divisive, contemptuous bs.
MOPEs (Most Oppressed People Ever) wouldn’t make it through the day before collapsing in a temper tantrum.
“Issue those worthless parasites a hoe and a shovel, send them out into the fields to do something useful.”
Mao was so before his time. 🙂
Not that I have any sympathy with intersectional whatever-isms.
I burst out laughing with your Mao line. You made my day.
Well Marlin, Slo Jo will need a shovel. He’s got the other part covered.
The salute was snipped from a ceremony, previously performed, of the Bidens laying a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. It was the salute used for funerals and for greeting foreign dignitaries, with a pause between the shots. It fooled most people, but not all. Biden never got the Presidential salute. Did the military refuse him?
What if Gates is buying all that farmland to grow… nothing?
I do not think so. Gates is a power creature. He cannot handle not being in charge of something. Is Ag next?
I think taking agricultural land out of production is a form of being in charge.
Nonna, he grows. On a vast scale. Mostly mechanized. There’s some of his carrot fields where I live.
In my opinion, it’s probably intended for the Chinese.
NickelthrowerR,
I take a drug made in Switzerland. I know how that is going to work out for me. I’ve had a good life so I am resigned to my fate. Trouble getting prescriptions is already happening. Folks with Type 1 diabetes are having trouble affording insulin. Hard to pay for your drugs when you can’t pay your rent or mortgage.
The future will belong to the young, strong and healthy.
Which they have done their best to cull… with poisoned food, vaccines, water and air. We have an autism epidemic among the youth, and also their immune systems are whacked.
Not looking good for that generation. Maybe the next, if they don’t have pharmaceuticals forced on them since birth.
You will get your vaccine-free world. When you do, remember what you wished for. Watching a baby ‘whoop’ itself to death isn’t nice, just for starters.
Some people have short folk memories.
Modern medicine has a lot to answer for. Vaccines, you will find, if you live long enough through what’s coming, are not it.
You won’t need to thank the pharma industry for antibiotics either, once there are none. Did you read the last of the WMBH books?
Nice little girl – would have lived to be a woman with a bit of pharmaceutical help.
Babies and bathwater …
Vaccine-free versus forced vaccination for anything the Faucis deem necessary is a false choice.
Fauci, like all the scientists, fears for the future. They are wise enough about what they are witnessing to know what is coming.
You think viruses are bad? Just wait until you see bacteria immune to antibiotics! Right, GA?
It seems heartless, I know. The ability to fight off infection is genetic, period. Antibiotics and antivirals help but the immune system is the real McCoy..
The incidence of disease and the genetic culling out without medicines is how the human race survived throughout history. Each generation outran the prior with the strong survivors making the species stronger. The latest good example was the demise of a genetic weakness, hemophilia, that was eliminated by HIV.
Well, I didn’t say anything about forced vaccination, Beryl, and I’m not sure Fauci did either, although I’d defer to you on that one. It’s not been suggested here. I’m not even advising anyone to take a vaccination – it’s an entirely personal decision as far as I’m concerned, based on personal risk assessment. There are no guarantees in life either way.
You mentioned the self-sufficiency of the Orthodox Jews elsewhere, without mentioning the measles outbreaks their views have led to. Measles kills, still, and is so easily avoided (for now – wait until it’s not).
My husband has a brother-in-law in Rockland County, NY. He’s one of three or four brothers each running part of the family business. Near the start of the pandemic, one of them had to close his store because the Orthodox Jewish customers refused to social distance with other customers. He had a duty of care to both his staff and his customers, whatever anyone might think of masks and distancing personally.
If the OJs wanted to hug each other in their own time, that’s their business. But only someone with no respect for other people would refuse such a minimal courtesy to them in a store where they are basically a guest. Poor show, I’d say.
“Just wait until you see bacteria immune to antibiotics! Right, GA?”
JohnAZ, indeed. I mentioned the Britney character’s daughter, who died horribly towards the end of the fourth book in the WMBH series. Didn’t she just stand on a rusty nail? Here today and gone tomorrow – there will be plenty of that once antibiotics either don’t work any more or we just can’t produce them.
And currently they’re being fed to livestock for no good reason except to allow them to be raised in filthy, overcrowded conditions. Other countries (e.g. India) sell them over the counter like sweets.
@Beryl
My first paragraph about forced vaccination and risk assessment was about the Covid vax.
Sending kids to school without certain childhood vaccinations could be construed as an act of singular irresponsibility, so there are grey areas there, and I think some American schools won’t take them without being vaccinated?
I wouldn’t presume to make a blanket statement there and don’t want to get into the topic generally as we’ve done it quite thoroughly on previous occasions!
But we’ll miss them when they’ve gone.
Forced vaccination is nothing but an entry card into the world of the Great Reset.
Money and control talk. Anyone taking a COVID vaccine is out of their mind.
GreenAlba: The US measles epidemic of 2018/19 largely originated in the town of Uman, Ukraine. Religious pilgrims visiting the tomb of a rabbi who died over two centuries ago brought the measles virus back with them from a part of the world where the public health system was in a bad state owing to the Ukrainian revolution of 2014 and the subsequent civil war in that country.
The ultra OJ’s would not be self sufficient without access to the generous government subsidies available to them. (Food stamps, Medicaid, Section 8 housing vouchers and in some cases cash assistance as well).
As you well know, Brooklyn, NY is a densely populated area and many of the ultra OJs live in crowded housing. It is not surprising to me that the covid-19 virus spread so rapidly in crowded areas of New York City in such a short period of time.
“The ultra OJ’s would not be self sufficient without access to the generous government subsidies available to them.”
It’s exactly the same over here. Not that I’m bothered particularly, as there presumably aren’t that many of them compared to all the other loafers, but the sense of entitlement is breathtaking. I’m sure some of them work, but there are others who definitely don’t. They have huge families and spend their lives ‘studying’, and live on state benefits paid for by people they consider their spiritual inferiors.
And guess who pays to look after them when their kids get a serious case of measles?
I don’t have an anti-semitic bone in my body but that’s taking the piss.
“The incidence of disease and the genetic culling out without medicines is how the human race survived throughout history. ”
Can’t argue with that, JohnAZ, but I generally find the modern-day anti-vaxxers stop short of that – they’re somewhat picky-choosy.
Take the argument to its logical conclusion and you just need to close down all the hospitals, GP practices, dental surgeries and everything else. Obstetric units too. May the strong win and devil take the hindmost.
Child gets leukemia? Leave him be – weak stock. Wife gets ovarian cancer? Same thing. The human race will carry on.
But I don’t hear many people saying that??
Vaccines are big business and not about health and safety anymore. Its not like poking a cow pox pustule from someone who is getting over it to protect against small pox.
Like everything else the vaccines are toxic because of the shelf life issues.
If they are produced locally for immediate use many of the toxic side effects would go away.
Polysorbate 80 was never meant to pass the blood brain barrier and while we are at it is not good when run through the digestive track much less injected into soft tissue.
Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative used in some vaccines and other products since the 1930s. No harmful effects have been reported from thimerosal at doses used in vaccines, except for minor reactions, such as redness and swelling at the injection site
Notice the blurb above I am sure in small doses it probably is ok but what about exposure to other mercury sources or even other toxins in low levels?
Mercury is no good and how long does it take to clear ones system?
The term mad as hatter applies here.
Look around everyone is losing their minds.
I’m not an antivaxxer per se just think we give our kids and pets to many with over the course of ones life and many have suspect ingredients for shelf life stability.
“Mercury is no good and how long does it take to clear ones system?
The term mad as hatter applies here.
Look around everyone is losing their minds.” — benr
Yes. A lot of dentists went down over the years from inhaling mercury vapours. Then there’re all the health problems resulting from amalgam fillings which, in many countries, are finally being, or have been, phased out.
The thimerosal concentration and number of vaccines has gone up exponentially since I was a kid getting the standard jabs in the 60s.
A lot of research and history on the ‘mad as a hatter’ mercury effect. Delusional, hysterical behaviour. Hmmm, how convenient for the MSM and DNC.
The World Health Organization has stated that there is no safe amount of mercury for human ingestion. But the USEPA says that 0.1 microgram/kg body weight is safe. The FDA says 0.3/kg micrograms is safe. Well, ok – shoot me up!!
Let’s not forget aluminum, another neurotoxic adjuvant we are assured is safe.
What is an adjuvant? An additive to the vaccine that increases the immune response. How does it do that? Well, we’re not sure – but hey, check out our new vaccine!
You should see this chart I just looked at. It showed death rates from known diseases before vaccines. What do you know, they all had 99%+ survival rates. Including polio. You should do more reading up.
I agree. Public health measures in the late 19th and early 20th centuries reduced the mortality of infectious diseases to close to where it is now, long before the advent of vaccines.
we owe more to plumbers than physicians
Kayak,
Yes, it would seem so.
“we owe more to plumbers than physicians”
Except that it wasn’t the idea of the plumbers.
Credit where credit’s due.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Snow
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2007/jan/19/health.medicineandhealth3
Also, RFK Jr’s most excellent site has peer-reviewed studies proving links between vax and autism, and also the first 10-year study on vaccinated kids vs. nonvaccinated. Guess which group is vastly more healthy and have much better immune systems?
Soon 1 in 42 children will have autism. Used to be one in 10K not too long ago.
So what’s causing it? 70+ vaccines (some of which have killed infants immediately)?
Anecdotal but true: I never get a flu shot. I haven’t had the flu for 25 years. Same for 5 of my friends. Something we all share in common though – having had to cover at work for co-workers who get the flu every year – because they get the flu shot.
ANother anecdotal but true: My boss’ daughter – who is as vaxxed up as you can get, because her mom is a freak about them – got Whooping Cough. She was vaccinated for it. Her mom blames the ‘unvaccinated kids” but couldn’t say who was and wasn’t vaccinated.
Vaccines are bullshit. Mankind existed 250K years without them.
https://www.immunize.org/images/smallpox/thumbs/smallpox-1-lg.jpg
Survival, you said?
Hmmm…
https://www.ukessays.com/essays/engineering/design-of-calipers-for-post-polio-paralytic-patients-engineering-essay.php
“Anecdotal but true: I never get a flu shot. I haven’t had the flu for 25 years. Same for 5 of my friends. Something we all share in common though – having had to cover at work for co-workers who get the flu every year – because they get the flu shot.”
Anecdotal but true: I never got the flu shot for 65 years (it didn’t exist anyway for part of that time). I got flu once when I was 30 and completely healthy.
Now I’ve had the flu vaccine three or four times so why am I not getting flu, when I’m more decrepit than I was at 30?
Anecdotes, eh … 🙂
BTW, 30% of people who contracted smallpox died of it.
And those who survived didn’t look great.
And the very suggestion that your colleagues get flu every year suggests to me that none of you knows the difference between flu and a bad cold.
Every year, yeah …
RFK, Jr’s post on the study:
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/unvaccinated-children-healthier-than-vaccinated-children
Thank you. You posted it already.
Your colleagues are not getting flu every year.
I’m familiar with the practice of getting a bad cold and calling it flu from my own (younger) colleagues. But I’ve had actual flu at age 30, so I really know the difference and would never, ever confuse the two.
Green Alba, why doesn’t Moderna want young pregnant women to take their poison garbage?
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/pregnant-or-under-18-dont-get-modernas-covid-vaccine/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=302ad148-3128-4520-800b-897d3ff1b2ea
In response to the “stages” of testing – they couldn’t. They are lying.
My friend runs trials in the pharmaceutical industry. She explained why they take 5-10 years.
There is no way in hell that they ran the trials and finished them. Where were the animal trials? They skipped them. They are using us as guinea pigs without our consent.
That’s called ‘eugenics’ and it’s completely amoral.
MaryV
“Green Alba, why doesn’t Moderna want young pregnant women to take their poison garbage?
Things were a bit more lax when I had my kids. These days you’re not supposed to eat shellfish. Or blue cheese. Or other things I don’t recall, but which surprised me when I read about them. None of those things are bad for any normal, non-pregnant adult unless they have a specific allergy. But if there are proper reasons for avoiding them while pregnant, fair enough.
Perhaps you’d prefer if they didn’t advise pregnant women not to take the vaccine? No-one young enough to be pregnant needs it anyway one the whole (a 28-year-old pregnant nurse died in England of Covid during the first surge).
Your friend is not the fount of all knowledge, thankfully. And I provided a link elsewhere to explain how the time was shortened. Perhaps you could forward it to your friend, if her mind is remotely open.
“There is no way in hell that they ran the trials and finished them. Where were the animal trials? They skipped them. They are using us as guinea pigs without our consent.”
You really could inform yourself properly with just a little effort. I realise you prefer your fear-porn propaganda, but the information is there.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9792931264#:~:text=Due%20to%20the%20urgent%20need,tested%20on%20mice%20and%20macaques.
“Due to the urgent need for a vaccine in a surging pandemic, Pfizer and Moderna were given approval to simultaneously test their vaccines on animals while they were conducting Phase 1 trials on humans. The vaccines were tested on mice and macaques.
“They overlapped preclinical studies with the early phases of the trials,” said Dr. William Moss, executive director for the International Vaccine Access Center at Johns Hopkins University. “In fact one of the reasons we are even talking about vaccines now just 10 months later is that some of the phases in which vaccine development normally occurs were overlapped rather than done sequentially.”
“Posts online appeared to suggest that the animal trial phase was skipped completely when testing the two vaccines.
University of Pennsylvania professor of medicine Dr. Drew Weissman, who has been studying mRNA and mRNA vaccines for decades, said they do not cause dangerous inflammation to animals. Along with the vaccines for Pfizer and Moderna both passing animal trials, they also passed clinical trials on humans where they were tested on more than 70,000 people.”
You can send that to your friend as well – she doesn’t seem very well informed.
If you don’t want to take it, don’t take it – but maybe just stop spreading downright lies.
GreenAlba, I’m sorry to inform you: COVID19 is a hoax.
It doesn’t exist.
The powers that be got together and decided to make a massive marketing campaign to fool easily duped people.
How does Jacques Ellul describe you over-educated messes in his brilliant tome? You’re so much more easily propagandized.
You gotcher big words. I got reality.
And it’s backed up by RFK, Jr.’s most brilliant site, as well as 1000s of other scientist’s and doctor’s work.
People like you make me laugh. You prefer your grotesque idea of transhumanism over nature. It won’t work, ever. Nature is queen. Mother Nature bats last. You can’t ever answer the question of why humanity managed to live hundreds of thousands of years without eugenics.
But you’re on Bill Gates’ side – so I get the bloodlust. I don’t share in it, I’m on the other team. Keep spreading your pararnoia of the awful germs – of which our bodies are made up. Laughable, that. Smother your children, you sick mess. Give them staph and brain infections and pleurisy. That’s what you Karens want. I’ll sit here, quietly, in nature, reading as I do, learning from great minds as I do, people, who have opposed you Golums for decades.
MaryV
You are one of the most dishonest and/or gullible people I’ve ever come across on this site. Not to mention repulsively nasty.
I present you with facts and you respond with pathetic vitriol like:
“Smother your children, you sick mess. ”
My kids are probably as old as you and a whole lot more sensible.
But do tell me about my over-education – that one was brilliant. And my support of ‘transhumanism’. Jeez …
You are unutterably arrogant, based on zilch.
Did you even notice that you haven’t responded to a single actual point in that last comment? The one with the facts in it?
You come on here to comment for social approval. Poor you.
“You can’t ever answer the question of why humanity managed to live hundreds of thousands of years without eugenics.”
What does that even mean? The black death killed an estimated 30-50% of the European population. But humanity survived because it didn’t kill 100% of them. Craftsmen even got better wages out of it.
Your point being?
BTW, as regards that autism thing, you might find this helpful:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK332896/
“The first studies of the prevalence of autism, which were conducted in the 1960s and 1970s in Europe and the United States, reported prevalence estimates in the range of 2 to 4 cases per 10,000 children (Lotter, 1966; Rutter, 2005; Treffert, 1970). This led to the impression that autism was a rare childhood disorder. The earliest prevalence studies also found a consistent sex difference, with boys being three to four times more likely to have autism than girls. Following an expansion of diagnostic criteria for autism that occurred in the late 1980s and 1990s, autism prevalence studies around the world showed dramatic increases (Fombonne, 2009; Rice, 2013; Rutter, 2005). The association between rising autism prevalence estimates and changes in the criteria for diagnosing autism can be seen in Figure 14-1.
“It is likely that the rise in autism prevalence during the latter decades of the 20th century, based on epidemiologic studies, can be attributed largely to the expansion of diagnostic criteria and the adoption of the concept of autism as a spectrum of impairments (ASD) that occurred during this period (Fombonne, 2009; King and Bearman, 2009; Rice, 2013; Wing and Potter, 2002). It is also possible that other factors, including improvements in screening and services for children with ASD and increases in specific risk factors for ASD (such as increases in the proportion of births to older parents) have also contributed to increases in the prevalence of ASD over time (Durkin et al., 2008; Grether et al., 2009; Rice, 2013; Rice et al., 2013; Schieve et al., 2011).”
When you’re sitting quietly in nature reading, you could add that to your list.
You’re welcome.
Despite your disgusting manners and attempts at social shaming.
“But humanity survived because it didn’t kill 100% of them.”
Also because there are places other than Europe. 🙂
I hope you were perceptive enough to notice that the rise in recorded autism cases, caused as it was by a broadening of diagnostic criteria and better screening, aligns cutely with Mr Trump’s claim that ‘if we stop testing, we won’t get so many cases’.
Well, yes. Neat, eh?
Perhaps you could mention it to RFK. Not sure how perceptive he is either.
When challenged by a new disease, the species evolves. Those particularly susceptible die off. That is why most Native Americans have type O blood. It is the most resistant to syphilis, which decimated Europe when the men sailing with Columbus brought it home. When the plague made its second tour of London, there was great death, yes, but people carrying two copies of the CCR5 delta 2 mutation were immune and that mutation had spread among the survivors of the pandemic of the fourteenth century. Even one copy of the gene allowed people to recover, and the pneumonic form of plague is second only to rabies in its virulence. It also protects against HIV. Small pox is supposed to have been eradicated, with its 30% mortality rate. That leaves only the diseases of childhood, with low mortality rates to really worry about. Kids will get sick. Most will survive. That is how we have always lived.
If you valued Modern (Western) Civilization so much, why did you support the ingress of millions of medieval Muslims into Europe?
The Covid vaccine isn’t a vaccine, but rather untested gene therapy. Only a fool would give it to their children who are largely immune to Covid.
There are hundreds of Covid ‘vaccines’. Some are traditional vaccines, like the Astra Zenica (Oxford) one.
“Only a fool would give it to their children who are largely immune to Covid.”
Under-16s aren’t being given it here. So, yes, I agree with you that only a fool would give it to their children. Except that they won’t be able to anyway, on account of it being unavailable to them (national health care systems have their uses!). So, one less thing for you to worry about?
“why did you support the ingress of millions of medieval Muslims into Europe?”
You tell me how I did it and we can take it from there.
Exactly. They skipped the testing and are just testing on the populace. It’s amazing people are fine with eugenics at work.
” They skipped the testing and are just testing on the populace.
So which part of the Stage 1, Stage 2 and Stage 3 trials did you think weren’t ‘testing’?
Asking for a friend.
Are you always this relaxed about the accuracy of your words?
The Pfizer Stage 3 trials involved 44,400 volunteers. How many would be required for your definition of ‘testing’?
Years of follow-ups to assess long-term consequences would be my preference. They’ve been trying, unsuccessfully, to develop a vaccine for SARS for years. Unfortunately, all of the animal test subjects died when challenged with either SARS or another corona virus.
I think everyone would prefer years of follow up.
The SARS-CoV-1 vaccine development attempt ground to a halt because the disease disappeared. The SARS-Cov-2 vaccines use much less virus, which so far seems to have avoided the problems of the earlier SARS vaccine attempts.
https://theconversation.com/the-mysterious-disappearance-of-the-first-sars-virus-and-why-we-need-a-vaccine-for-the-current-one-but-didnt-for-the-other-137583
Why do we need a vaccine for such a benign disease? Over 99% survive it. Even if you are over 80 your chance of surviving it is 97%. My daughter has it right now and all she suffers is a stuffy nose, a slight cough, and a complete loss of her sense of smell and taste. She is a little more tired than usual, but no fever, no headaches, no aches and pains, and she’s no spring chicken, she’s nearly 40 and a smoker. She works at home, and she doesn’t find herself ill enough to stop working. She’s starting to recover. We’ve only seen a fraction of the 50 to 100 million dead suffered during the Spanish flu, when the world’s population was only about a billion. The current hysteria appears to be unwarranted. Covid, and the deaths attributable to it, appears to have subsumed the seasonal flu entirely, The statistics of deaths from all causes in 2020 is actually slightly improved from 2019–closer to 2018, which is surprising, given we’re in the middle of a deadly pandemic. .
“Why do we need a vaccine for such a benign disease? ”
If a man of 50 (men account for 70% of the dead) with kids of 12 and 14 dies of it, it’s not terribly helpful to his wife to know that he was an outlier and the vast majority of people in his demographic were hunky dory.
Flu is much less infectious than Covid and we have flu vaccines, albeit never perfect.
You don’t want either? Don’t take them.
Doctors and nurses have died; teachers have died; bus drivers have died; care home workers have died; shop workers have died. Not all of these people get death-in-service benefits for their families or can afford life insurance. And by definition they’re not 80. So they may choose to get a vaccination, despite social shaming of the kind that goes on here.
Nobody is making you take it, even while people can’t get medical treatment they need because their hospital is full of Covid patients.
I hope nobody will make you take it – directly or indirectly.
“The statistics of deaths from all causes in 2020 is actually slightly improved from 2019–closer to 2018, which is surprising, given we’re in the middle of a deadly pandemic. .”
Lucky you. In the UK, excess deaths for last year were over 80,000, which helped confirm the number of Covid deaths. And remember that fewer people died of flu and other respiratory diseases, so that would have mitigated the overall number.
Not that it’s a terrifying number at all. As I’ve said before, deaths aren’t the primary problem – managing the living is the issue.
Alba: You (and many others) are playing with words. Testing is by definition before mass distribution.
They intend to make us take them. Don’t ask me why. For some reason they’ve just gone crazy about this. I have my theories which of course you would find mad. But something has changed, that’s clear.
So the Stages 1, 2 and 3 of the trials were what?
There were 44,400 volunteers in Pfizer’s Stage 3 Safety and Efficacy trials. BEFORE it was approved for distribution.
You will recall that only the (anti-globalist) Russian Sputnik vaccine was rolled out at the same time as their Stage 3 trials, on the basis of Stage 2 trials on two cohorts of 38 volunteers.
So what exactly is your problem with the word ‘testing’?
We are all aware that it hasn’t been possible to wait 5 or 10 years to find out gleefully about hypothetical long-term issues. But 5 or 10 years isn’t all that long term anyway, so something that happens 15 or 20 years down the road would be missed by that too.
Make your own decision on the basis of what you know and leave other people to make theirs on the same basis. You’re not even at risk, so you have no decision to make.
https://www.sunderland.ac.uk/more/news/story/covid-19-busting-the-vaccine-myths-1454
You’re welcome.
“They intend to make us take them. Don’t ask me why. ”
I’d be better asking you when?
If the vaccine is used to turn us (here in the UK) into some kind of social-credit state I’ll be joining Liberty (previously the National Council for Civil Liberties) even if I choose to take the vaccine if they ever get round to offering it to me.
On the other hand I recall hitch-hiking to Tunisia as a student and being advised or instructed to get a cholera vaccination before I went, which was just as well as there was a cholera outbreak while my friend and I were there and we had to stand in a long queue after getting off the boat in Marseille to have our vaccination papers checked. As Europeans, they shushed us to the front of the queue ahead of the Tunisians (my only specific experience of white privilege!).
I don’t recall anyone back then thinking that sort of thing was unreasonable.
GA? I explained above, due to the many moving parts and situations that trials require, vaccines never take less than 5 years to create.
So explain that.
My friend who RUNS pharaceutical trials for a living – for years – explained it to me in detail. She knows the trials for this were bullshit, and impossible.
BUt you buy everything big pharma and Dr. Fauxi say because those billionaires never lie, huh?
Do you know about Fauxi’s part in the AIDS epidemic? The man is a monster.
Please do get the jab, if you’re so enamored of it.
You continue to deflect. We’re all aware that there hasn’t been time for extended follow up of the already-tested volunteers. But the 5 years or so a vaccine normally takes to roll out are about the start of the process too, which has been very different in this case (see below).*
You said quite clearly that the vaccines haven’t been tested. I have explained to you more than once that they have. There is no evidence of corners having been cut in the trials themselves – except in Russia (I haven’t heard of any adverse effects there, but maybe you have?). I repeat, the Stage 3 Pfizer safety and efficacy trial involved 44,400 volunteers.
You have still to explain to me in what way that is not testing.
“BUt you buy everything big pharma and Dr. Fauxi say because those billionaires never lie, huh?”
I pay no attention to your Dr Fauci. Nor do I get my news from big pharma.
I hope this will help explain how it has been possible to speed up the processes:
* https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/concerns-vaccine-safety-understandable-must-address-facts/
I keep hearing people say how much money the pharma companies are going to make and that we should not trust the vaccines on that basis alone. I’m sure they are going to make a lot of money.
But have you ever heard anyone say ‘I’m not going to use cars because people make vast amounts of money out of them, since everyone uses them, and keeps replacing them.’?
Or planes, or wine, or water, or toilet paper?
No, me neither.
Dr. Charles T. Pearce in his 1868 essay on vaccination wrote:
“It is a remarkable fact that Jenner’s [the inventor of smallpox vaccine] first child, his eldest son, on whom he experimented, died subsequently of consumption [tuberculosis].
Another of his subjects, the man Phipps, whom Jenner vaccinated, also died of consumption.”
Those who were vaccinated for smallpox were noted to be more severely affected by smallpox and tuberculosis. Many were exposed to tuberculosis from tuberculous animals that were used to make vaccines.
Smallpox manifested in several different forms(ordinary, modified, malignant, hemorrhagic). Genetically the minor and major forms of variola are related and indistinguishable by PCR. Individual susceptibility, rather than the virus probably made the biggest difference.
Susceptibility would have certainly increased after injection of filthy vaccines that contained myriad bacteria and viruses.
What is most likely is that the appearance and disappearance of epidemics had much to do with the constitution and care of the population of the times.
Scurvy was common in areas with hemorrhagic smallpox.
This is no surprise to anyone who understands the full spectrum of ascorbic acid’s function in the body, especially on blood vessels.
Pox epidemics declined as a result of sanitation and improved nutrition.
During the era of smallpox most people were living in squalor, eating no fresh food, but rotten milk and rotten meat, drinking sewer water, living among filthy rodents, and working long hours for little pay.
Pox viruses are ancient, but smallpox evolved as a deadly killer as humanity devolved to overcrowded city dwellers living with filth, squalor, and desperation.
Historical evidence points to the fact that the vaccinated were amongst the sickest in times of smallpox vaccines. Protests against the vaccinators and smallpox vaccination were massive.
Parents commonly chose jail rather than permit their new-born babies to be vaccinated.
Entire towns and districts revolted before the disease was finally declared eradicated, and the vaccine madness ended.
Smallpox vaccination ended in the 1980s because smallpox had declined and because there was so much trouble with the old unsafe vaccine.
That same trouble with the newer supposedly more safe smallpox vaccines is why smallpox vaccination ended after the 2003 first responder effort.
Which makes you wonder just how much more trouble there was with the old smallpox vaccine which had a very long list of known bacterial and other “contaminants” because of its method of production.
After the 2003 vaccines, reports of generalized vaccinia, autoinoculation, erythema multiforme, myopericarditis, ocular vaccinia, and postvaccinial encephalitis were reported.
Smallpox was declared eradicated before clear distinctions between different poxviruses were made using DNA analysis.
Symptoms alone are what were counted for smallpox during smallpox epidemics.
Vaccination was a major source of smallpox outbreaks, and only a small portion of the earth’s entire herd was ever even vaccinated. Considering all of this, how can anyone believe that smallpox was eradicated with a vaccine?
Dr. Charles T. Pearce…
Hey! I’m related to that guy! Crazy genius–most of his voluminous writings were never published.
Just read a terrific book on the history of vaccines titled Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History (by Suzanne Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk). The authors consider numerous diseases such as smallpox, measles, whooping cough, polio and so on, and discuss in enlightening detail how the vaccines were developed and how they didn’t work. Frightening info about the horrific state of housing, lack of sanitation and so on, which spread disease. Totally worth the money and pretty easy to read. Highly recommended!
That is because the Moderna and Pfizer DNA disrupters (they are not vaccines) have only gone through phase 1 testing. mRNA was been developed over 20 years ago and experimented on animals with disastrous results. Now they want to use the excuse of a “pandemic” to start human trials on a world wide scale.
Moderna and Pfizer are not traditional vaccines, but they do not change your DNA.
That they have only gone through phase 1 testing is one of your big, fat shameless lies.
Neither your regulators nor ours are allowed to approve a vaccine that has not successfully passed phase 1, 2 and 3 trials.
The two vaccines above have also been tested on mice and macaques.
I don’t know how you sleep at night. You are as dishonest as the day is long.
Some examples of reasonable statements by reasonable people (try draupnir, who doesn’t behave like you):
(1) I don’t want to take the vaccine.
(2) I don’t want to take the vaccine because it’s a new vaccine and I’d prefer it to have been monitored for quite a lot longer.
(3) I don’t want to take the vaccine because I’m wary of vaccines generally.
(4) I don’t want to take the vaccine because I don’t consider myself at risk.
All these statements are unproblematic and understandable, and don’t involve the kind of shameless lying in which you indulge without scruple.
Shame on you. People die because of liars like you.
I watched a young Mexican woman in her early 20s, broken-hearted because she’d lost her four-year-old and her baby to measles precisely – as she indicated herself with huge remorse – because she’d been taken in by lies on websites like the ones you promote.
We’re still waiting for your link demonstrating that the vaccine companies are refusing their product to poor southerners in the US.
If it’s not forthcoming, a clear apology will be acceptable instead, if you remotely hope to salvage an iota of your credibility.
The apology would have to cover your lies as detailed in my post above as well.
Shameless baggage.
This is an honest question–why don’t JHK’s repeated incorrect guesses about what is gonna happen hurt his credibility with you guys at all? This is like the umpteenth court case he’s said would reverse the election, and none have come close. He was predicting that Biden would step down BEFORE the election, and was extremely wrong there as well. Las week he was spreading obvious nonsense about a career secret service agent. Most of his election theories are blatantly recycled from Qanon forums, which he masks by calling them “some corners of the internet” or whatever. Why isn’t this a deal breaker for you guys? Shouldn’t he have to get SOMETHING right occasionally to earn your trust somehow?
He seems to be pivoting back to his stock in trade, the collapse of life as we know it. I agree that political machinations is not his strong suit, but he’s spot on with his predictions of social and political collapse.
I used to believe he had made sense in that arena too, but the (lack of) quality and research he puts into his political prognostications has made me rethink that. He’s been often wrong there too, and if he’s willing to just repackage widely debunked ideas like Hammer and Scorecard, is there any reason to have faith that he takes more care elsewhere? My gut is that if someone will fall for Q Anon, they will fall for anything.
Why do I come here? Well for starters, Mr. K cannot write a bad sentence even if he tried. That alone makes this site worthwhile. Nobody’s predictions are worth a bucket of warm spit. So, if I’m going to read inaccurate prognostications, I’d prefer they be well drafted and wryly amusing.
There’s only two reasons JHK would continuously spread these wish-fulfillment fantasies, and neither is amusing. Maybe (like other Qanons) he really can’t discern the difference between a bunch of Da Vinci Code enthusiasts LARPING on a message board and actual current events. Or he can, but doesn’t think his audience can, and this is all a grift for clicks. Doesn’t either of those answers give you some doubt about The Long Emergency and his other stuff? If he would grift now, he would have grifted then, and if he is a naïve wackadoodle now, maybe he always was.
BS!
JHK has been right on with the forecasts he made in 2015. Watching what society has done has matched history.
He wants validation. He wants the decline to indicate itself. Deniers like you put inertia into the system . The government just keeps injecting false capital into the system to bolster the inertia. The idiots in DC right now are fixing to repeat the process. It will come down. In the Long Emergency, JHK said that the Peak oil will come to fruition by 2100, not 2020. We are following his forecasts right on schedule.
His support of Trump was a reaction was a wise person seeing the oncoming evil of the Uniparty taking over the country. He does not want what he is forecasting to happen, but he sees the inevitability. The ascent of the evil socialistic, elitist Democratic Party is the biggest fear of the inevitability of the collapse. The collapse has started to accelerate during the last six days, and it is going to get much worse fast. JHK was a harbinger of what we are now seeing, he tried to publicize his concern. Stupidification won!
@BlueKayak
Beautiful response. I concur.
JHK could write about aliens copulating with kangaroo mice and I’d probably give it a gander because the damned writing style is so freakin’ good.
…cannot write a bad sentence even if he tried.”
What” …hold my beer….
Debunked by whom?
LOL
The election fraud has absolutely not been debunked, even a little bit. JHK was completely correct about that, as he was pointing out the strangeness of the inauguration. And as others here say, the trajectory of the collapse.
I respect our host for putting his reputation on the line by making predictions. Isn’t the purpose of understanding the present and the past to be able to more accurately forecast the future?
When Mr. K’s predictions turn out to be incorrect, I ascribe that to his eternal optimism. I think he does not want to believe that all that we, the people of the USA and more largely the people of western civilization, are about to see the world that we spent centuries building (imperfect as it is) completely trashed.
He may sometimes get it wrong, but for (I think) the right reasons.
You haven’t moved on from Trump, and neither have the Democrats.
I was about to say the same thing, ‘most’ can’t stop talking about him, which makes for the opposite of irrelevancy. Now, repeat ad nauseam: “Russia! Russia!”
‘Trumpism’ will vanish simply because it never existed. in any rigorous philosophical form. Even the dullest MAGA types will have this truth dawn on them and their realization of being duped by a master con-artist will flip over into scorn and derision – something we are already seeing.
Mr. Kaplan, isn’t your name derived from the Mr. Kaplan character in the tv series “the Blacklist”? If so, a strange choice indeed – Mr. Kaplan was a she, and more than a little weird.
That’s classified.
so no specifics, as usual
leftists = empty attempts to sound intelligent
They never will. Just like all the horrible things Obama did continued to be GWB’s fault.
He didn’t predict how horribly deep the corruption in the courts went?
I don’t read JHK for his ‘predictions’ I read him for his viewpoint, some of which I may agree with, some not.
Assuming what his readers get or don’t get out of his posts is kinda silly. Why would anyone waste time on such nonsense?
He was outnumbered hundreds to one by the Deep State.
Indeed.
Another naysayer with an odd name pops up.
Tell me something how can you win a court case when the courts refuse to even look at the evidence?
Not even if it has merit just straight up like the three monkeys.
See no evil
Hear no evil
Speak no evil.
Weasel wording!
How does someone stocking up on long term food items effect you?
I want people like you to stop believing in the DNC talking points and mainstream media lies but does it matter what I think…NOPE
It matters even less what you think or want people to stop doing.
Mind your own business and move on.
You’re ‘concerned’ – hahahahaha. Priceless. Concerned that some people don’t agree with you? Oh the horror.
You are spoon fed authoritarian garbage by CNN and lap it up, but we are the ones who merit concern?
Who is making decisions based on what JHK writes? Got proof of that? Or has your brain been gobbled up with the trendy ‘words as violence’ cancel culture narrative?
You want it to stop? Maybe you should go whine to the Silicon Valley Billionaires to end his hosting so that your feewings won’t be hurt.
FWEEDUMB!
MaryV, I have family that are making decision based on this nonsense, I don’t need to prove it, I live it. Believe me, I wouldn’t be hanging out in this racist looney tune of a comment section if I hadn’t been constantly forwarded this blog for years. I’m not whining to billionaires, I’m trying to figure out why you would have any faith in the opinions of a person so consistently wrong, especially one who continuously acts as though he has some unique insight into what he’s talking about. He clearly doesn’t , and he doesn’t even make a basic effort to research the things he’s peddling. When he gets something wrong (every week) he never admits it, and he clearly goes back to the exact same well for his next predictions, which in turn are of course wrong. JHK is either no longer able to tell good information from bad (a sorry trait for a futurist) or is not making a good faith effort to inform you ( a worse one).
” I have family that are making decision based on this nonsense”
You sound incredibly confused and obsessed.
Like you are afraid of and want to control everyone’s opinion that doesn’t mirror your beliefs.
Good lord… I don’t even know where to start with something this messed up.
Racist loonney tune, here we go again. Repeat after me, RACE REALIST, write the words 1000 times while repeating it.Those two words can be substituted for the word racist 99% of the time, and be factually correct.
Zokpoopette thought Trump was a manchurian candidate — groomed by Dark Lord Putin from a young age to usher in the racist super state.
I am concerned that with this new handle, we may witness Zok take things too far. He has espoused a number of deeply troubling conspiracy theories on this site under his old handle.
I can give you a number for a counseling hotline, Zok. I am truly concerned.
Whoever that is, truly does need help, if they believe JHK is remote controlling their family.
Night Owl, You got the wrong guy, I’m pretty sure.
A familiar claim.
So, when does the White Ethnostate come into existence?
Where are the coordinates for Trump’s secret Antarctic base? Is it visible on Google Earth?
These are the facts we are waiting on, Zok.
Hey there Socks,
I make a lot of predictions myself. I feel forced to because so many family, friends, and acquaintances fail to look toward the future. Plus I’m just generous that way.
If I spent time apologizing for and explaining my not-always-completely-accurate predictions, I’d have no time to make further predictions! If I got it wrong, we both know it, let’s move on. Feel free to kick me in the ass when the opportunity presents itself.
Anyone who is going to buy food or metal based solely on Mr. K’s prognostications – that is, someone who can’t think for himself – is probably so dim-witted that they are not even aware of this blog. If someone that dumb somehow stumbled in here and spent their life savings on wind-up Timex wristwatches, well you could have done worse!
I’m not here looking for a messiah. He’s though provoking and fun.
Zokpoopette,
I’m with you on this. Qanon is a cult, and JHK seems to me to believe in Q bullshit, or he just likes to be provacative. People believe everything he writes on here the same way that people everything Qanon says, those who have sadly been down the rabbit hole of Qanon are now floundering around, not knowing what to do because Biden and every other evil democrat didn’t get rounded up and taken to Gitmo like everyone that believed Q thought would happen. Of course many are still hanging on, with more crazy ideas. Same thing goes on here..
You mustn’t know any true Q culters or you wouldn’t say that. I haven’t seen JHK come anywhere close to being one. There are plenty of crossover in conjecture about the very bizarre goings-on among the ownership class at the moment, between people who don’t go in lock-step with the authoritarian mainstream narrative. That’s hardly joining in a cult.
“You mustn’t know any true Q culters or you wouldn’t say that.” So, clearly, you do, Mary V.
You generously class the “true Q culters” as the MOST extreme, and I’m guessing you don’t count yourself at THAT end of the spectrum…you’re in the ‘mid-range’ that actually holds similar views but isn’t stupid enough to identify with the ‘crazies’ who declare themselves publically.
No, actually, I’m not a Q person at all. But I know a few of them. And yes I consider them extreme, and sorta culty, but not violent, so I couldn’t care less if they like to geek out on Q’s ‘drops’. More power to them.
The extremism I’m seeing on the so-called left is 1000x worse at the moment. I see it because I work at a college. They are insituting horrifying violent garbage and cult-think.
Kbird is posting this from a Trump FEMA camp, as rouge Q elements are clearing a path for the Coming White Russo-Nazi Ethnostate.
Ask him all about it.
The foil is strong with this one.
Love the ” ‘rouge’ Q elements” there. You maybe have a ‘rouge’ keyboard too?
Anyway, yet another classic deflection with gaslighting accusations of tinfoilery, when, in fact, you are only person I’ve ever seen referring to FEMA Camps and this “White Ethnostate” you seem to crave. It sounds like one of Yoho’s bizarre imaginings.
As to ‘tinfoil’, let’s have a quick review of your constant contributions:
1. “Coronavirus is a hoax.”
2. “Trump WILL have a second term – no argument.”
3. “The Storm is coming!”
4. “Things are not what they appear to be.”
The full list would end up in the ‘TLDR’ bin, so I’ll leave it there. It’s a sufficiently comprehensive list as it is.
LOL.
Majella/Freddie/Redneck, CFN Foil Queen.
Banned multiple times for foil.
Can’t get enough abuse.
LOL.
As already exposed multiple times, all you have is deflection and gaslighting, while constantly repeating baseless, nutjob conspiracies. Res IPA’s loquitur
While I do like a good IPA, I did intend ipsa
There is a difference between agreeing with the host’s predictions based on common sense and the law of the land and spreading Manchurian Candidate and White Ethnostate foil far and wide.
Unfortunately, no one here took you seriously after that.
This, no doubt, contributed to your multiple bannings.
LOL.
Don’t you realise that even those who kiss your lily-white ass know that you’re the only one who has ever brought up your favored gaslighting conspiracies?
You constantly refer to the archives – if you want to be taken seriously, Trollmeister, play by your own rules and go present the evidence you refer to. However, everyone knows why you don’t. You can’t. You’re just full of shit.
I see.
Here is some of your classic foil, from the previous entry even:
“Redneck Liberal
January 24, 2021 at 9:34 am #
Someone more eloquent than me puts it this way:
‘Democracy depends on a nonpartisan group of functionaries who are loyal not to a single strongman but to the state itself. Loyalty to the country, rather than to a single leader, means those bureaucrats follow the law and have an interest in protecting the government. It is the weight of that loyalty that managed to stop Trump from becoming a dictator—”
Trump Dictator foil. Manchuran Candidate foil. White Ethnostate foil.
Maj./Redneck. CFN Foil Queen.
Now with extra nuts.
So you DON’T think the Elite are power obsessed perverts who hate us with a passion?
You’re crazy.
JHK does more with pronouns and adjectives in skewering current politics than any writer extant. For his prose alone he is worth the read.
As for failed predictions, a bad track record reflects the power of systematic malpractice less than the veracity of the desired outcomes. We generally relearn often the lesson that what SHOULD be often is not.
As to getting “SOMETHING” right, well, other than missed hopeful predictions, what has he been wrong about? Certainly not Democratic Party intransigence.
He thought BIden would step aside at the national convention to allow Hillary to run, He thought every court case would succeed, and then he thought there was no way Trump would allow inauguration to happen. That’s just off the top of my head. Now he’s saying ACB is somehow gonna re-install Trump in the White House, a theory I doubt even Trump believes. It’s not like JHK is some guy just giving us his best guess on sports picks, he is a person whose whole professional reputation is about anticipating the future, and he is now so bad at it that it has become almost impossible to believe he is predicting these things in good faith.
He said maybe she’d hear it. Not that she would or that she would rule in favor Trump. Try to get it straight.
I doubt she will hear it or that she would rule in favor of Trump.
He said: “There’s a pretty good chance this case will stand, and the outcome could end up nullifying last November’s national election, cancelling Joe Biden.” What does that sound like to you?
You said he said she would. But as you admit, the quote is “pretty good chance”. That’s different.
And as I said, Too optimistic by far.
It’s almost as if Zokpoopette doesn’t understand what words mean.
Says the person who insists the vaccine developers ‘skipped the testing’.
By definition, testing is before mass distribution or sale. This is true in industry or buying a car. You’re playing with words to say the testing is ongoing. Or admit the obvious: we’re part of the test – the guinea pigs in other words.
@GreenAlba, it’s not my fault that clinical trials take 5 years minimum. That you can’t comprehend this is a serious flaw for someone who thinks they are qualified to argue about vaccination.
I have inside scoop from a person who whistleblows to me from within the industry. She explained to me why trials take 5 years minimum. She explained to me how it was logistically impossible for those 30K trials they claimed.
They lie.
Maybe some day you will understand this.
And maybe you will one day get your information from more reliable sources. You are clueless.
“She explained to me why trials take 5 years minimum. ”
And I have explained to you at least twice why it didn’t in this case.
You think Pfizer and Moderna didn’t test on 70,000 people between them?
So accuse them publicly and we can all watch the libel trial. I wouldn’t miss it for a fortune.
Another one for your friend:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03626-1
“The world was able to develop COVID-19 vaccines so quickly because of years of previous research on related viruses and faster ways to manufacture vaccines, enormous funding that allowed firms to run multiple trials in parallel, and regulators moving more quickly than normal. Some of those factors might translate to other vaccine efforts, particularly speedier manufacturing platforms.”
“Zookpoopette.”
LOL!
Just like their leaders at Democratic Central, the trolls don’t even try to hide their intentions any more.
SF, I’m glad somebody finally got it. But the only reason I have to use a sock puppet is because JHK eventually deletes every account that’s critical of him. And I’m not trolling. I’m arguing in good faith and asking a serious question. Everyone you disagree with is not a troll, but everyone who sees merit in Qanon is either deluded or grifting you.
Sock Puppet,
The vast majority of talk about Q comes from trolls like you who like to paint every MAGA-supporter with the same sentiments of those few deluded souls in every movement who fumble with home-made explosives in their mothers’ basements, or who take a drug for a glorified suicide in an attempt to shoot them into heaven.
“Good faith.” Hah!
@Zokpoopette
I have noticed that JHK rarely makes definitive predictions on this blog when it concerns the wilder theories of near-future events floating around on the net. He mostly observes that there are rumors afloat and mentions them because they are fun to hear and give people’s imaginations a stir or two. That’s not exactly prognostication, though I do think he likes to tease us with the idea that if these things DO come to pass it would certainly upset the political apple cart.
JHK is usually on much more solid ground when writing his books. I have read “The Long Emergency” and 3 of the 4 volumes of WMBH so far, and I find most of his futurism in those to be rather well thought out.
What makes you think he’s wrong, rather than simply early. Give him a break. Being Cassandra is probably not an easy role.
I have noticed some peculiar shortages at the grocery store lately. TP and paper towels of course, but try finding yeast or canning jars. They fly off the shelf the minute they go on there. Other parts of the store just have mostly empty shelves for various products. I hope sugar doesn’t become scarce.
The only place I could get the jellied cranberries without the HFCS this year was at Whole Foods.
Odd, because that product has become more popular and the major supernarkets near me all carried it for the last several years.
I’m going to have to make it myself now, I guess.
Lawfish,
I just hit the grocery store this morning. Lots of holes in the shelves. I was able to get grapes from Peru. Wonder how long that will last?
Middle Pen,
Can’t end soon enough. Grapes from Peru are a big part of the problem (of industrial agriculture). I’m not condemning you, I’m commiserating…
Not the grapes that are at issue so much as the horrid avocados from Chile!
Or the ones from Florida! (Sorry, but it’s true…)
@Blackbird
When it all ends, I will really miss being able to buy blueberries from Peru. They are larger and more succulent than the domestic variety and it’s great to be able to get them when they are out of season in the U.S.
Yep – this is probably one of the few benefits of globalism I will miss, but sacrifices must be made for the overall benefit of us all.
Buy a lot of it when you can find it. Sugar doesn’t go bad, though it does get hard. Honey too, though it may crystalize.
Don’t be afraid to use a hammer and chisel on hard sugar. Such instruments could do much to rectify our politics. The true image is still there, we simply must chip away all that is not that.
Don’t be afraid to slowly warm-up your honey – but not to the boiling point!
Such practices could do much to rectify our relationships.
The true image is still there, we must simply remind it of its original character.
Lawfish,
Here, the stores are well-stocked but last Summer, naturally, canning jars completely disappeared. Fortunately, they reappeared in October when the back-ordered stock came in. We stocked up and have a good supply of new jars, but I could use a few more lids.
As for sugar, I know I’m better off without it. There’s SO much of it in absolutely everything already.
Have you heard the old joke? Q: How do you make money? A: Two ways: 1) Add sugar, and 2) Change Zoning.
@Lawfish
The conclusion to draw from this is simple: After what we saw happen in 2020 large swaths of the U.S. population have decided to take up at least some of the habits of the “prepper” community – especially the habits of stockpiling essentials and learning to produce their own foodstuffs.
Salvage, gardening, and homeschooling skills. Sounds about right. I’ve been using the “no dig” method in my garden, and it has simplified my work enormously. No tilling, no digging, and much fewer weeds. You just need compost and cardboard.
If you’re interested, Charles Dowding has many videos on youtube explaining this method. His large garden is beautiful:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCB1J6siDdmhwah7q0O2WJBg
Finally, I think many people are finally seeing that Trump’s 4 years was simply another con.
Over at Ann Barnhardt’s site, she posted a letter from one of her readers where he admits being conned by Trump, and he looks at all his MAGA gear with a good bit of contempt at how easily he was drawn in. But that happens, especially when you see how dire our situation is and you have the hope that a “saviour” will salvage the mess:
https://www.barnhardt.biz/2021/01/23/guest-post-king-con/
Note especially the last photo in the article, at the bottom. See Trump and Bill and Hillary and Melania whooping it up at Trump’s wedding? How the Clintons were front-row guests to the wedding? We’ve been watching a pro wrestling soap opera for years, and they all got fabulously rich, and now they’re pulling the plug on the show as the economy collapses.
Thank you re: the gardening tip! I’m a novice, and finally have a yard this year within which to grow food. This is very helpful. I have a LOT of cardboard from moving boxes.
Just be prepared to make a lot of mistakes! 🙂
I made tons, but things are finally stabilizing. And now I can walk through and enjoy the garden instead of constantly worrying about the weeds.
And if you ever get interested in forest gardening (or permaculture), “Gaia’s Garden” is a solid introductory book on it. That book and ones by Dowding should be at your library, or on the torrents (which is a good place to find many things so you have them in digital format for the future).
I did a test garden on my balcony last year, and I was VERY successful. Just did a lot of reading and followed instructions closely. I think having a mom and grandmas who were huge gardeners didn’t hurt!
I’d recommend books. I suspect that our digital future has “memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead”.
That’s an extreme viewpoint. She rejected one conspiracy theory (Q) to accept an even more implausible one. The hatred of Trump is all too real – as is that of the Deplorables.
Dear James,
Thank you for another good commentary and special
thanks for the inspirational thoughts on what may happen
with this impeachment trial.
Frank
James, you forgot to mention the all too oft recurring Vatican Genie of Genocide. That’s really what this all about. That’s The Plan. That’s where we’re being steered towards by Vatican gov mafia. Everything else is just details.
Tinfoil.
I am a man who turns negatives into positives.
!. Collapse of the university system. Good this will get education back to sanity. Where useful education is provided.
2. Collapse of Federal Government. Good. Makes State and Local Government’s more responsible and accountable.
3. It will stop the domination of the Big Tech companies.
It’s all good.
I like this.
You can add public school education. We figured out with Covid that we don’t need big consolidated school districts. We don’t need half the teachers either.
Yes, such teachers have revealed themselves to be political hacked trash. Just another failed institution filled with corrupt little people.
It’s not just political. Bureaucratic hiring staffs need to scrape the bottom of the barrel to fill many teaching positions. You either get the ‘righteous race’ appointees, and/or ones who can’t even pass basic grammatical tests themselves.
Talk about the blind leading the blind.
Well, in this towns (pop. 25,000) public school system, 3 Diversity Coordinators make $112,000 each, with full bennies and a sweet retirement plan.
There’s not too many POC here but they ship ’em in from Capital City.
Brh
“Collapse of Federal Government. Good. Makes State and Local Government’s more responsible and accountable.”
Teddy,
THAT is an unsupportable assumption.
Sorry, but in re-reading your post, your positions are all unsupportable. You assume a new, post-apocalypse man, perhaps? A moral one? an honest one? An altruistic one?
JHK – “What if his attorneys produce solid evidence (i.e., proof) that the incursion into the capitol building was actually launched by Antifa / BLM cadres?”
Hmm. Well, my guess would be nothing, as any evidence will be dismissed as conspiracy theory and shoved down the media memory hole (which appears to be getting pretty damn full lately).
It has now been proven that the narrative is the narrative and anything counter to it is anathema to the truth. That is a sad…well…truth.
I agree. Turdblossom was very prescient when he said, “we create our own reality”, wasn’t he?
One of the most meaningful and revealing quotes to come from a political official in quite some time.
This is the Neocon/Neolib way.
Yada yada yada…it just gets extremely tiresome, cupcake.
One could say the same thing about your four year long tirades of Trump.
Almost of all what you complained about was either false or displayed even more robustly by the current imbecile sitting at the resolute desk yet not a bad thing do you say about plugs the sniffer uncle joe.
Apologies in advance for the longish post. All about small scale farming, no politics, so skip if it’s not what you want to read here.
“Working on a farm will be one way to make sure you get enough to eat”: Not necessarily.
A small farm, say under 10 acres, worked using only hand tools, compost and animal manures with no weed and pest control chemicals may or may not feed more than a family or tribe of less than 10 people depending on the season. Of the 10, half will be savvy and strong enough to do the farming, the other half probably children and older people that will have plenty of chores to do, but won’t be producers per se.
I’m not talking of monocultures, a field of potatoes with nothing else. I have some experience with that too, but will leave it for another time. What I’ve been doing for years, and still know very little about, but more than most average joes, is sustainable farming. 10 acres that will provide a tribe with 3 meals a day year round plus some surplus to sell, store or barter.
The first need for sustainability is diversity. Can’t bet it all on a good crop. You need seasonal and perennial crops, fast and slow crops, high and low shelf life crops. A mango season may be good, but prices will be down for a month, then the fruit is gone. Honey is also harvested seasonally, but has an extended shelf life (decades) without refrigeration. At the same time, salad greens will fetch a high price during mango season as they’re difficult to grow in the high summer. Hens also stop laying in the tropical heat, so there will be less eggs to eat or sell, but you can replace that protein by slaughtering a batch of the older hens.
This is all delicate clockwork. Parceling the hours on the fields assigning each one the necessary task to ensure not just a good week but a good year too is the most difficult art. Everything needed be done years ago if you don’t have compost ready to spread on the fields, the fruit trees were not pruned and now are starting to bud, no forage has been planted for the rabbits, chickens and bees, and the beehives not inspected for months and are now full of mites and a loss. Those are the errors teach their harsh lesson. Those lessons are better learned in the fat years. The fat years are drawing to a close.
Anything can go wrong at any time. And that is counting on the world as is today, without further complications. I categorically affirm, from knowledge and experience, that most people, even the starry eyed young people that muse about the romance of living and working in an organic farm cannot be farmers, not even agricultural workers or serfs. Mr K says farms will ALL be organic at some point out of necessity, as they used to be before we were 7+ billion. So you go figure. No energy inputs means a lot of elbow grease. And you need a brain, knowledge and discipline to farm, too, not just muscle.
I have had people seriously ask me if I was getting an app to do my farming remotely when the virus started. I have had young men pushing a broom and checking their phone in the shade while my 40-something wife ran the walk-behind rototiller (a TroyBilt as old as I am: 1971). I have had snowbird cretins from Michigan try to negotiate the price of my perfect, ripe, just harvested tomatoes because “they’re cheaper at walmart” (“you get what you pay for – maybe your walmart pharmacy bill would be smaller if you didn’t get your food there as well”)
My point is, none of those idiots will eat from MY farm. Eating, creating the possibility of eating tomorrow, is intense hard focus and concentration, insane punishing work at all hours in all seasons, reading, learning, keeping statistics and logs, being miser with $ and chuck most luxuries and entertainments. At this point, very few have all that, the know how, grit and accrued value of plots of land they know and have been improving for years. It is Mr Kunstler’s hope, and mine, that this can change in a generation or two. But there will be trouble first. Big trouble.
A sweet potato, an egg, a thin bean and veggie soup, a piece of grilled rabbit or squirrel, some berries, a mint tea with honey per day. Per day. Best case scenario. Anyone who “works” for me and expects that better be good enough to earn it. With the right attitude, too.
I’ll stop rambling here for now, but surely will come back to this most welcome post, as food and farming are the one subject I may have 2¢ to share with this group of thinkers.
Nice post.
excellent post. thank you.
now’s the time to start gardening and permaculture. make your mistakes now and lay the foundation for the future.
are you wasting time on the internet reading politics or watching videos? that’s one more day wasted, and like Rulo said, the fat years are coming to a rapid close.
your sense of perceived safety is evaporating fast.
wet dog, thank you. I hurt my back yesterday and can barely function today. Was out there earlier doing what little I could, groaning in great pain the whole time, but I’m here now because I have to nurse this old body.
This website, and ibuprofen, are my great luxuries today.
I can see you in my mind’s eye (is it remote viewing or “just” imagination?) sitting like Effendi while your imaginary peasants do the work.
Yohannon, ha, yes. Wearing a white linen suit w a black necktie and one of those cork hard hats.
Try Aleve since ibuprofin barely works on messed up backs.
You could even do one of each Aleve and Motrin.
benr, thank you for that tip. I go for the ingredient and not the brand. I will try the brand you recommend and if it works, buy the generic. Ibuprofen helps some, but rest is the main thing. Thanks again.
Rulo
Not a ramble at all, but a valuable perspective for Jim’s readers who have never farmed.
I grew up on a family farm not too far from where Mr. Kunstler lives, during the period when that traditional way of life was getting wiped out by agribusiness.
I’ll just add one reminiscence: the day my father shared with me the old farmers’ adage, “A dry year will scare you to death; a wet year will starve you to death.”
Rulo — I enjoyed reading your post and it brought back memories for me of my grandfather’s one acre garden. There was a vacant lot across the street from their house and he planted all kinds of vegetables every summer. No chemical fertilizers or pesticides were ever used and he had a beautiful crop every year. And while tending his garden he also worked the night shift in the local steel mill. He walked to work every night as they never owned a car. Both he and my grandmother had been raised in the hills of Kentucky and had a lot of practical knowledge plus understood that it took hard work to have a clean, safe home and nutritious, plentiful food — it was not an entitlement.
And that’s what worries me. It will be difficult to first, retrieve practical skills, but it may be even more difficult to remember the second lesson.
SW, I admire your grandfather. A wise and hardworking man. That generation is mostly gone, and every one of them we lose, some knowledge disappears from this world. The lessons he had to teach are both equally important. The right skills but also the right attitude: nothing’s for granted.
Did he own the lot? If not, what gave him the right to work it? Or to keep other non-owners from taking what wasn’t his? Or was it such a high trust area that all this wasn’t even an issue?
The owner of the lot gave his permission for a garden there. No one else was using it and maybe people had more common sense then. He gave away bushels of beef steak tomatoes to the neighbors, fresh corn and Kentucky wonder pole beans. No one was complaining or running to the city council.
A new Aristocrat is born. Now he just needs the Fighters to control his skinny fellaheen.
Another thing Old White Joe has prioritized is war. He’s sent more troops in to kill Syrians, and is talking about sending more troops in to kill those old perpetrators of 9/11, the Iraqis. One thing about Trump – he was the first president since Eisenhower to not start a new war.
Well, maybe a foreign ‘war’. He certainly declared war on his own government and the rule of law, which makes him far worse than any other president by a wide margin.
empty leftist nonsense
all blather and no facts
wait….wasn~t he a nazi tyrant, too?
Please as if Oblamer did not do all the above and more!
Your perspective is one of blindness.
Like the mule with blinders on you only see what some want you to see.
“far worse than any other president by a wide margin”!
What a clown you are.
Check with us in a year, after Old White Joe has raised the bar for you.
Is that why he was up for the Nobel Peace Prize? A far better choice than Obama needless to say.
Yoho, those obscure right-wing pols who nominated Trump, could have nominated YOU if only they were aware of your existence.
Keep tilting at windmills and what do you get?
Obama was nominated for simply existing as he did next to nothing.
You hate Trump we get it but he still managed to do some pretty strong things in foreign policy.
What’s a carrier group or two amongst friends, heh? China is poking a stick into their pal Slo Jo’s cage already to see what they can get away with.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southchinasea-usa/u-s-carrier-group-enters-south-china-sea-amid-taiwan-tensions-idUSKBN29T05J?utm_source=join1440&utm_medium=email
Have I missed mention of the 32% element in any population group which goes full rogue pirate whenever no agency of civil control is extant with force to maintain order? Not two centuries ago the titled folks wouldn’t risk travel outside of their hilltop castle without full force armored mercenary guard. James: This is the one omission I see in your wonderful posts.
They weren’t brainwashed to idolize the wealthy and make them into ‘rock stars’ by the TV and film industries…
I’m kind of doubting that technology will collapse *this* far. Remember, a lot of the things about today’s technology are conditional on automation and human labor costs. When the cost of human workers will go down, technologies that were previously unsustainable might become more attractive. That is, labour-intensive manufacturing, fuel production, etc.
Also, Internet won’t be going anywhere. It doesn’t take much electricity to move bytes around, and instant communication is just too attractive to ignore. It might downscale (no more broadband Internet access in every home), but every town will want to have some access. Spotty (due to power outages) access is OK (we still have software for doing non-realtime communications, from the yesteryears of dial-up). And maintenance shouldn’t be an issue – a cable put in the ground will continue to work, unless some numbnut cuts it. Existing cables can be cannibalized and re-used (remember, downscaling).
Recent technological trends were all about making things smaller and thinner (for the sake of making things smaller and thinner), energy-efficient and non-repairable (i.e. planned obsoletion). Of these three only energy-efficiency is something that’ll stick around. Things will be bulkier, and more repairable (because you can’t ship a replacement product from China anymore). Also, mass manufacturing will lean away from automated robot-conveyor-factories toward more labour-intensive methods.
OTOH, with repairability on the raise, localized small-scale manufacturing will take off. A shop with some kind of milling machine, a 3D-printer (and a scanner) can manufacture a lot of stuff, as long as it has power and raw materials (which you will likely need to ship, true, but it will be planned monthly/bi-monthly shipments, not just-in-time deliveries to the door).
For electricity you need copper wire, magnets, and something that rotates (how or why it rotates is not important, as long as you can ensure that it rotates constantly and at constant speed). Humans are very good at figuring out how to make stuff rotate. And, again, labour-intensive ways of doing that might have slipped your notice.
I already voiced some doubts about the collapse scenario due to US running out of oil (that is, if the US runs out of oil, the US will go to Venezuela and take its oil; that’s what US does). Even if it does happen, it won’t be “we don’t have any oil anymore”. It will be “we still have oil, but it’s too expensive to be used the way we used to use it”. Vehicles will continue to run, just not everywhere all the time. When it’s a choice between paying through the nose (for some definitions of “pay” and “money”, since we’re talking about post-collapse here) for fuel to ship stuff, and letting the economy of your town go down the drain completely, trust me, you’ll pay.
By the way, this completely ignores the rest of the world. US might run out of oil and collapse, but US is not the only country on the planet. Some countries will fare much better, and they will be able to make and ship critical technological items (the people in US will, again, pay through the nose for these, probably in gold, uranium, or whatever else is going to be valuable and available in the US).
The whole project of peak-oil-scenario comprehension is the ability to think long-term. Your post (reltsnuk), in my opinion, is not a good fully-realized example of this ability; instead, seems short-term-focused (biased).
(reltsnuk here; had to create a new account – couldn’t log into the old one for some reason, even with password reset)
How long-term is “long-term”? The way Kunstler is talking about things, “any day now” and “young people should start looking for opportunities”, it sounds like he does expect this to happen very quickly. Less than 10 years, I’d say. IMO, that’s short-term.
Now, 30-50 years from now, that’s more consistent with my understanding of “long-term”. What happens long-term? Well, either we find a new/better source of energy (if you’re a techno-optimist), or we go back to 18 century, technologically-speaking (if you’re a techno-pessimist). Or we keep the technology, but reduce the population size significantly (if you’re Malthusian), though I am not sure how today’s technology can work at such a small scale.
There’s no doubt that civilization, especially the democratic kind, is more fragile than most people think, but I don’t believe a dystopian future is right around the corner because we run out of fossil fuels. Rather than a supply side, it will be a demand side issue. People won’t be buying as much of everything because they’ll be broke. What happens when the federal government can’t keep it’s promises? That will make last summer’s riots seem like a dress rehearsal.
Some drop in the market occurring; GameStop poster child for fiscal discovery; bidet winner of most horked up 1st week in office; viral mutations that seem to laugh at vaccine; UK wanting to space out shots – giving virus AWESOME Petri dish environment to further mutate against that vaccine.
Better hope JHK’s outline of a much starker physically strenuous future stays in said future kids. Saw a photo of several Indian farmers sitting/standing in a paddie harvesting rice. Nothing unusual for third world, from Vietnam to China. Anyone here ever sit in muddy water collecting food? Walk a mile with a gallon or so of water in a rusty bucket on your head? To think even 30 million have the physical stamina to last ONE week, without Tylenol, hot baths, cheeseburger cheeseburger, is laughable. Has anyone here exercised 4/5 days weekly for years? Walk 10,000 steps outside in all weather? Yet some of you think 30 million will survive a societal breakdown necessitating a degree of physicality most gym rats do not evidence.
I personally do not see near future events slingshotting our obese, weak (physical from mental), unfocused society into a situation that will cull this diseased herd, but nothing is impossible.
For anyone who wishes to physically improve: Above all else – how much, what equipment, how hard – identify a daily timeframe and make it SACRED. Wife – I need you…NO! Kids – we need a ride to…NO! God – it’s your time – Fuck NO! (O.K. MABYE not the last one). Nuff Said.
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Yes, how many men have been killed by killers like wife, kids, family, and friends?
The young people with whom I discuss our scaled-down future fall into two categories. One group agrees and would be relieved by jettisoning overcomplexity. Many mention their carpentry, arts and crafts, and gardening skills. I recommend the “World Made by Hand books” to these people. The other group is unable to imagine a world sans technology and declares me delusional. When the grid finally conks out, I hope my neighbors are in the first group.
show us one time the world went backwards regarding technology
isolated instances sure, but not widescale
(gambler who started with $20k, peaked at $100k, plunks down his last $20k on a single hand…) “Tell me one time all night when I’ve been out of money? I cannot lose this hand. It’d be completely unprecedented.”
Maybe about 9,600 B.C.? Could we build the pyramids today? I’m sure they couldn’t match that technology for several thousand years after the pyramids were built. The megalithic structures at Sacsayhuamán or Ollantaytambo? Pretty sure we can’t replicate that stonework even today.
Nice point. Different kinds of perfections in different time frames and their unique trajectories of development. A gang of ten street thugs would be no match for ten Greek hoplites or Roman legionaries. Guns? No fair.
The poor froze in Thoreau’s Concord. Yet the stone age Indians were toasty in their furs and well insulated long houses.
Hey, even White people can learn to run around naked in the winter. Wanna go swimming with Wim Hof?
It snowed here in Sunny San Diego well in the local mountains.
Last Sunday I loaded the dog and friend into the 4runner and cruised up there.
We went for a long hike and by the time we were done I was in shorts a t-shirt socks and my shoes.
Balmy 37 degrees and I was dripping sweat.
When we finished I pulled out the jet boil and made some coffee with Banana pudding sippin cream for good measure.
I had people actually asking to buy some from me as most of them were not prepared for anything. No snacks, blankets, matches or ways to get warm if they got stuck.
https://www.sugarlands.com/products/banana-pudding-sippin-cream/
Snow in San Diego mountains is a huge draw but the law enforcement turned everyone around if you did not have chains even guys in full blown four wheel drives.
http://www.lagunamountain.com/
Site above has a snow cam.
Fraid not. This “doom and gloom” will not occur. Saying technology will go away (internet, computers, etc.) is like having said in the past that electricity, the radio, the trains or trucks, or TV, etc. would go away. Not happening. These are milestones in development and evolution that the people will never allow to go away. Dependency creates a “refusal to do without” and the ingenuity and mettle of the people as a whole will keep it all in place.
Smaller, self-sufficient localities are definitely on the way now. That I can agree with or envision. A small town, with Mom & Pop stores, ability to easily get around, surrounded by small farms and ranches (supplying the meat, eggs, vegetables, fruits, etc.) will be the ideal arrangement.
Absolutely – the efficiencies that technology has given us will never be rolled back. A certain percentage may go back to the land and that is fine, but the vast majority of what we call economic activity will be tech-driven.
Absolutely – those technologies that make life so easy for the masses will never be taken away by their masters.
What you describe as an ideal arrangement is pretty much what we had not long ago, amb, at least within living memory of people still around today.
I’d love to go back to the technology of the 1970s. When we still played outside all day sans phones, and somehow managed to survive.
Absolutely, Mary
I think Mary and I went to the same elementary school!!
Trigger warning to any snowflake who might be reading this (& the linked article from Washington Watcher II at Vdare): Politically incorrect commentary ahead.
Wash Watcher II talks about the military, how its top brass is all onboard with the wokeness. It describes the hostility & loyalty tests that White kids will have to face who want to join up in the future. For example, Dem Rep Steve Cohen who wanted to purge National Guard soldiers who were sent to Washington because the NG is 80% White.
My advice to any White folks who are reading this is to boycott the U.S. military whenever possible. Try to seriously discourage your younger family members (especially if they’re female because of the high risk of being raped by Black non-coms) to join the military. There are still many poor whites who have no other option but to join the military for a required hitch to get benefits, but they should rule out a career in the military if this is the case. As far as appointments to elite military academies, ‘just say no!’ if you have other options.
See how the illicit inner party regime likes it by depriving its military muscle of its White backbone. Make the Navy recruitment ad in the linked article a reality! & see how the empire functions with a multi-culti backbone.
https://vdare.com/articles/woke-purge-of-u-s-armed-forces-underway-but-how-will-they-fight-their-mideast-wars-without-whites?scroll_to_paragraph=5
Well, Beijing Biden has lifted the ban on Trannies in the armed forces.
I’m sure Putin, Xi Jingping and the Mullahs in Iran were pissing in their pants when they heard that news.
Brh
Iran has lots of ‘trannies’. They’re so freaked out by the existence of homosexuality that they prefer to deny reality and have their sons chop their bits off to become women.
Also happens at the Tavistock clinic, apparently.
Neurotic parents, and mullahs – what can you do?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10998169/iran-gay-people-gender-reassignment-surgery/
Your bits or your head. You choose.
I agree, women are vastly underrepresented in battlefield deaths so it’s a man’s duty to yield and give them that chance. Repeat for each intersectional group until the exact makeup of the population is reached.
We should also discriminate against female midwives since the aren’t enough men in midwifery.
Male bricklayers…
Female beauticians…
That’s the correct logic, isn’t it? Equal outcome?
What about Hispanics? With millions to choose from, could they replace Whites? Not Blacks, obviously. But Hispanics, maybe. With the officers being the whiter ones, obviously.
I wonder what General Pershing would think of Bedpan Biden’s US Army.
“Riflemen, I want an army of riflemen” – Gen. John Pershing USA, 1917
“Trannies, I want an army of trannies” – Bedpan Biden, Commander in Chief, 2021
BRH
Well maybe that’s the answer to the political struggle. They know the election was stolen, but they hate Trump and traditional America so they didn’t want to help. On the other hand, maybe they don’t like the idea of Beijing Biden and bowing down to the Chinese either.
There’s more than two points of view. And more than three…..
Trannies not even .05% of the population?
And that’s what Joe goes Balls to the Walls for “ON DAY 1?”
It’s not as tho we have any other matters that need addressing.
GO JOE!!!
ahahahahaha ahahahaha ahahahahaha!!!
Brh
mental illness was pushed hard in the soviet union, same diff here
easy to control people when they~re always confused
i~m very impressed with biden, remarkable how an 80-yr old from scranton loves trannies
he~s groovy
Yeah, Bedpan Biden is a Rebel!
Campaigned as a moderate — in the little campaigning that he did — now suddenly he’s down for the whole Woke cause. Looks like Bedpan Biden saw the light.
Brh
I don’t see any facts here.
Ok, let’s take it slow then: Trannies aren’t actual women, but rather actual men. Letting them play in women’s sports cancels Title 9. “Why” you gasp! Because you see men are stronger and faster than women, and since they aren’t women but men, actual women won’t be able to compete against them. This is what Biden has done.
This is what’s called “an argument”. Calling me names won’t defeat it…..
Kaplan can~t post on leftist sites since comments are by and large banned.
He is unable to deduce anything from that fact, nor from the fact that he must come here to express his cogent arguments.
Current events strike me as the execution of a massive bankruptcy. Clearly many debits will have to go unpaid; pensions, social security, medicare/Medicaid. The money, if it ever existed, has been embezzled and lines the pockets of 1/10 of 1% of humanity. The accounts have largely been assigned and we are in the opening stages of liquidation of non-performing assets. Boomers, out. Rednecks, out. And I suspect much to their imminent surprise, Antifa, out.
Our few Owners won’t need nearly as many resources or workers and the plebes that remain will work to pay the company store and pay company rent.
No work, no eat.
The folks who will be most surprised I think will be the PMC, professional/managerial class. They are counting their widgets from home for now. When the accounting winds down they will receive their biscuits and underwear from Amazon via UBI until they don’t.
Then the whimpering begins in earnest.
the folks who stand to most be surprised are the fools that thought they were with the cause, antifa blm, minorities, women, union members
just like the tens of thousands of union jobs that~ve been axed on day 1 and 2
these groups~ll be shunned until 2024 if voting ever returns to non-corrupt machines, which it won~t
You left out mortgages; they ain’t getting paid, and they ain’t going to get paid. Rent isn’t being paid either. Landlords and property owners are just up Sh#ts Creek (without a paddle)
My daughter who lives in an affuent area known for well-heeled retirees remarked on the number of lower priced homes for sale. She has never seen so many and thinks it is rental property people are trying to unload. Don’t know if they come with “hostile tenants” or not.
Reminds me of a relative that took out a car title loan. The car battery died in a not so good area while he had one of the windows down. He was subsequently arrested. His friends went by the car and let me know a homeless person was living in it. The car title folks called me and I told them where to find the car. I told them they would need a tow truck because the battery was dead. I didn’t mention the homeless person. I decided the tow truck driver could deal with that situation. 🙂
Hunger is the teacher with the largest class and most attentive students. The stomach is the most relentless tyrant. Never complain about a heavy grocery bag.
Nice. My wife often goes out ‘for a couple of things’ to make a cake or some such and always ends up bringing home four giant carrier bags of foodstuff. I chuckle but then think to myself ‘this is good, the cupboards are full’.
If I read your dystopian novels correctly, there is a hint that Canada may not be affected as severely as the US. Canada is a loosely held together federation where its sole French-speaking province separated mentally back in the ’60s (European model of education with its virtually free mandatory community college system, its own Social Security system (Quebec Pension Plan) funded like a private pension plan, French as the official language, Hydro-Quebec: the province-owned electricity utility, medicare and pharmacare. High schools goes to grade 11 then two years of community college and then three years of college to get a bachelor’s. College tuition for Quebec residents is dirt cheap despite a conservative government attempt (they called themselves Liberals) to make it more expensive, which will never happen as a large portion of middle-class French Quebecers send their kids to government-subsidized private schools (not cheap but not comparatively expensive, either).
Quebec is busy building a network of light rail systems in the Montreal area (Two have been announced: the REM, Réseau express métropolitain, and the REM de l’Est) plus a tram system in the Quebec City area in preparation for the end of the private car.
Heavy crime in urban areas: the fools made language and not ethnicity the basis of their culture. Entire their beloved Black Frenchies! No doubt the “Cajun” types tried to warn them – the descendants of the survivors of the White Genocide in Haiti – but to no avail. Women voters prefer Trudeauean type males to actual men.
Where would Quebec be without all the transfer payments made to them from Western Canada?
Nice deal when you have a demographically over-representation of political power coming from Quebec.
I always find it hilarious when Quebec, like a petulant 4 year-old child not getting even more parental largesse, threatens to secede. I’ve always been for Canadian sovereignty, but lately I just say: fuck it, let them go it alone, and then watch them cry for handouts when their society goes down the shitter.
Kinda like what would happen to Blue States if/when the U.S. splits up.
Re: When the Long Emergency starts. Having spent a couple years traveling the western states in an RV, followed by settling in AZ with seasonal trips to places north (by car as I was allergic to airports and flying long before Covid), one can’t help but be impressed with exactly how much effort is required to maintain paved roadways.
A constant annoyance while traveling across states on both the Interstate freeway system or two-lane back-roads, are the numerous road crews either repairing potholes or repaving long sections that have crumbled altogether. Lanes are closed, flag-persons stop you, and often you must wait for a “pilot car” to direct you around the construction crews. Ten to 50 personnel might be involved as well as numerous scrapers, front-loaders, pavers, dump trucks, bulldozers, and other diesel powered vehicles I can’t name.
In contrast, when one encounters a piece of road that is not maintained, most commonly in poor counties or reservations, it becomes clear how nearly impossible it is to travel on such roads. The speed limit might be 55-65 mph but you have to slow down to 15-20 mph not to break a ball joint or perforate an oil-pan.
When either the financial structures that pay for this maintenance fail, or the raw materials (mainly asphalt and diesel) becomes scarce, trucks are going to stop moving anything anywhere. Rail will not be a substitute as tracks don’t exist most places and we sure aren’t going to start laying any now. When the trucks stop running, a lot of people are quickly going to become uncomfortable. This might happen in the very near future as States become insolvent. We’d all be wise to exchange recipes for the gopher stew JHK has frequently alluded to.
how convenient for those with lots of money
“not our fault everyone~s bankrupt and got sick with a manufactured virus! hey, let~s buy up everything for 10 cents on the dollar and then make everyone serve us like lords. it~ll be great fun.”
A hugely intelligent post, just bristling with ‘facts’
economic semi-collapse = falling prices
virus comes from city where biolab operates
great reset proposed several months ago
– reset involves killing off petroleum industry
— biden nixed pipeline etc
– small businesses decimated
leftists = unable to reason
facts?
Isolated facts are useless, Kap. It’s the ability to put them together that’s important. Something you can’t do on your own, dependent as you are on the Media and their Narrative.
All those guys working on the roads were the Reeks and the Wrecks’ from Kurt Vonnegut’s ‘Player Piano’.
Cue in Billy Joel’s “The Piano Man”.
Up here the Long Emergency has been going on since about ’71. Road commission has been tearing up blacktop for years, replacing it with “gravel” – rocks the size of my fist.
Yeh can’t paint BLM on no gravel so quit your bellyachin’.
I ain’t a’belly-achin’, ahm a-celebratin’ nobodys a-paintin’ BurnLootMurder on ennya mah rocks!
My tires (and my checkbook) – they ain’t so happy.
Same here, Backbird. And when they DO use asphalt, it’s a cheap composite which just gets torn up by the first truck with a heavy load.
I know! Worse than nothing!
That started in earnest under Obama.
urine village
No need for a road map, leadership by the power of example.
Chuck and Nancy on their knees and Mr. Biden fumbling in his pockets looking for his bottle of B12.
Supply Side meets Peak Demand, an intriguing tale of lunacy and irresponsibility, now showing at your local mall. Mask required for admission.
“One business you can begin to organize right now is a salvage industry, sorting out the reusable components of all that crap — the steel I-beams, the aluminum trusses and sashes, plate glass, concrete blocks, copper and PVC pipe, and dimensional lumber. A lot of this stuff we just won’t be making anymore” JHK
Perhaps tent grade canvas and fiber reinforced tarp fabric would be a more direct path to profitablity.
Post and rails from chain link fencing, a manual tubing bender and a swedging tool for tent frames might have some future. There’s your low carbon footprint.
Camping is trending in LA!
How much is the rent-a-cop at the gate shack being paid? Reckon it might look something like entry into the east side of the Capitol when the neighbors come calling?
Take a look at margin debt just for fun.
Hey just kidding.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-biden-and-his-team-have-thrown-their-hands-up-at-the-pandemic/ar-BB1d506b?ocid=msedgntp
What an absolute joke but but a team of adults is now leading the gubberment.
meanwhile, trump got vaccines out there in record time
but a guy wearing a wig in a huge position of power…and opening up bathrooms to mentally ill people….
is the real important stuff
No facts here – just idle, idiotic conjecture.
(CNN)President Donald Trump finally has something legitimate to take credit for in his coronavirus response: A vaccine that appears poised to reach Americans in record time.
The federal government poured billions into developing and manufacturing vaccine candidates in the hopes they would prove safe and effective. The pricey gamble appears to be paying off, with a vaccine on track to reach some Americans by the end of the year — the fastest a vaccine has ever been developed.
there are other articles, i~ll leave it up to you to learn how to access them
leftists = unable to reason
Private industry and the profit motive led to those vaccines – along with much previous groundwork.
NOT that orange moron.
“manufacturing vaccine candidates” – great stuff!
Just as Father Issac Jogues beat the Indians at their own games of Lacrosse and running, Trump beat them at their own covidian game with his project Warp Speed to get a hundred million shots into a hundred million arms. His man, General Gus Perra?(something Hispanic) said that Americans could ALL be vaccinated in two days if circumstances demanded.
I love Trump. I love the Bomb. I love the Vaccine. I am a Candidate for Inhumanity.
Hey Rube (don’t mean that as an insult),
Pouring money into the fast-tracked development of a vaccine does not make a better vaccine. Long-term studies – a requirement of vaccines until now – cannot be replaced by a massive influx of cash. Fast vaccine development is not a good thing!
I would recommend that you not allow yourself – or anyone you care about – to be “vaccinated” by anything claiming to protect you from “Covid-19”. I hope to be able to argue with you far into the future.
But, Conned Rube, there are many voices around here that utterly scream about what a terrible thing these ‘rushed vaccines’ are.
So which is it? A ‘good’ thing (for which Trump is happy to take undeserved credit) or a ‘bad’ thing (which, many reckon, you’d either be a) crazy to take or b) don’t need because COVID is a hoax)?
And I see you’re now quoting “CNN” as a reliable source? LOL…there’s some irony in that, too.
@CARGHOUL
Says the fool that peddles nothing but No facts here – just idle, idiotic conjecture.
hi Blackbird, no offense taken, and i personally don~t want to take it. was just showing that trump got the vaccine done in record time.
“is that a fact?” (Monty Python)
trump promised 20 million INJECTIONS by Jan 1st
Real number – less than 3 million.
Of course in trumpworld delivering 10% of what you promised is considered a job well done.
did you leftists ever succeed in counting the votes in your own primaries?
Mr. Kaplan — “Private industry and the profit motive led to those vaccines – along with much previous groundwork.
NOT that orange moron.”
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Financial Times:
How Trump’s vaccine effort produced results at ‘warp speed’
“The easy answer for experts [like Mr. Kaplan lol] was to say it was impossible and find reasons why the operation would never work,” he told the Financial Times.
But the vaccine push is now hailed as the bright spot in the Trump administration’s Covid-19 response, as products from Pfizer and BioNTech, Moderna, and AstraZeneca and Oxford university move closer to approval.
Operation Warp Speed is a more than $10bn investment programme with a remit to fund vaccines, therapeutics — such as two recently approved antibody treatments — and diagnostics.
very easy to demolish vacuous leftists
they operate on a childish level where name-calling is accepted as demonstrable fact
Trump is gone Mr. Kaplan.
Let’s here more about the job Bedpan Biden is doing.
Yep, it’s all about The Bedpan now, my friend.
Brh
It’s a hoax.
That’s why Trump promised that. He knows it’s a hoax.
My friend runs trials in the pharma industry, she has explained to me in minute detail what an absolute hoax the vaccine is. Vaccines take 5-10 years minimum to create and test.
This one was whipped up in a few months.
God only knows what’s in it – or what it will do to people. no one knows, because we’re the ones they are testing it on. That is, people stupid enough to take it, or those who it’s forced on and have no choice.
It’s a hoax vaccine for a hoax virus. Maybe someday you’ll understand.
Ding, ding, ding!
DOJ to come down hard on anyone plotting to undo the election.
Excellent.
They really need to toss these slobs in jail – including the greasy lube & oil mechanic Cruz and his witless sidekick Hawley,
It’s easy to spot the Good German. ^^^
I bet it snitches, too.
Think of the level of mental illness required to return 24 times after the ban.
I have never seen anything like it.
Kaplan/Carghoul’s CFN tormenters live in his head 24/7.
So there are 2 obsessives on this post today. Hilarity ensues.
Surely he’s just doing for the constant.t stream of cash from Soros? You should apply. Troll Wages are way better on the other side…you’re just being a mega-troll for free. Mug!
To all you Buddhists, Hinduists, and others aware re reincarnation…
How many collapsing empires have we lived through? Over 20, just based upon our 14,000 years of written history. Way way more than that before our recorded history. We can do this. We always have.
14,000 years? What do you have before Sumer? I believe 5000 is the absolute limit if that even. You said written…..
Yohannon — The Vedic Hymns. Passed on verbally for a very long time, then they manifested as written hymns. We are talking about a very long time ago.
Now, there’s the ‘big picture’ perspective! An ever-so-rare breath of fresh air in these intellectually stifling close quarters…
Thanks, amb.
This time is different. We are an exceptional nation.
Guffaw. That’s what they all said.
James Kunstler is back to dystopian porn, which is his specialty. I’d write more, but I gotta go out and feed the chickens and cut some firewood.
i give him grief, but you~re write
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Cutting firewood and feeding chickens – isn’t that what Mr. K. said we’d be doing? If that’s porn, I’m missing something (the chickens maybe?).
Are you using and ax and bucksaw? I use a stihl myself.
Stihl is nice, but Husqvarna has the best idling sound.
Mossberg, Husqvarna, Estwing, Fiskars…
Molon Labe!
Treat them as exiles, and protect them.
I tried twice to copy/paste a lot of pizza information but this site would not allow it.
great comments,
https://www.corbettreport.com/reddit-bans-pizzagate-investigation-the-corbett-report-continues-it/
“… but Husqvarna has the best idling sound.”
For some reason this elicited visions in me of a ranch in some idyllic rural backwater, where the only other sounds are those of birds singing and a windpump creaking.
I want a Husqvarna.
YES!
Sounds to me like you are already living JHK’s prophecies.
“The virus has kick-started exactly the kind of home-schooling pod system (several families combining) that can be reorganized into small-scale schooling for people who want it. ”
This is what Andres Duany was talking about in the recent interview he did with Jim. Everything reverting back to very small scale, family compounds and local community decision making.
The ironic part of that is Duany was describing pre Revolutionary Cuba, with Fidel’s family compound in Biran, Holguin a perfect example. I wonder if Andres realized that given his Cuban background…..
For that much vaunted small farming to survive, the regulatory structure has to die. Perhaps 308 meters from the south 40?
My garden measures 7.62×51 meters.
LoL
The austistic teenage daytraders from the wallstreetbets subreddit have managed to wipe out one hedge fund with their bull raid on GameStop:
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/first-casualty-big-short-squeeze-melvin-capital-gets-275bn-bailout-citadel-point72-after
Apparently the bull raid has already cost shorts $3.3 billion on GameStop alone this year.
This is reverse Clown World, where the little guys actually win.
President Job B. as in Bah-ching?
Speaking of smearing crap all over the landscape, there is an article on the front page of today’s local cat box liner, “The era of expansive parking lots appears to be expiring.” Ya think?
The owner of a large local furniture store wants to decrease the size of a 575 space parking lot at a former 20 screen movie theater that they are proposing to occupy. Seems the city’s basic minimum is currently one parking spot for every 185 sq. ft. of retail. That means parking lots end up being about 50% bigger than the store itself!
The city administrator Is “cautiously optimistic” about putting the parking lot on a diet, but is watching to see if it will be allowed elsewhere. “This is a test,” she said. Duh!
Jimbo…thanks for returning more to your roots with this post…it was a good one.
If there is any city that seriously needs entropy, it is Minneapolis.
All those farms that used to ring the Twin Cities before land developers took over the place must surely have fantastic top soil.
Could the asphalt have protected it all these years? Maybe we’ll find out lol
You’ll have to pick out all the syringes & scrub out the plastic from the used condoms.
Yeah, here in southern New England some of the best topsoil in the Northeast is regularly paved over, concreted in, and built upon. Believe it or not, massive condo subdivision projects are still being proposed, approved and built. Ancient apple orchards, cornfields, blueberry arbors, open meadows and stands of maples and oaks don’t have a chance when the white shoe developers show up with their small army of bulldozer drivers and chainsaw operators. Then in a matter of day it’s all over, irrecoverably.
Brh
Today’s asphalt is tomorrow’s coal. It’ll burn nasty, but it will burn. And the soil underneath will then be available to plow. It’s a dystopian win-win
BK, I never really thought of that. How many billions of barrels of bitumen ( has a ring to it) must be locked up in the US infrastructure. That is a whole lotta energy stored up there.
I’ve been wondering how long it will take the car companies to retrofit one of their 1000HP monsters with a pavement catcher on the front to literally tear up the pavement (and anything else that gets in its way) as it goes and turn it into more HP. Watch for that in the 2022 model year. Makes an excellent urban assault vehicle as well.
“You’ll have to pick out all the syringes & scrub out the plastic from the used condoms.”
Pete,
Consider that the thrift-minded savvy amongst us can save the environment, the trees, and even the air by re-using the condoms;
https://www.newsweek.com/used-condoms-washed-resold-inspectors-raid-factory-vietnam-1533783
You gotta do it…you know, to save the Earth, and shit….
Be Green…Re-clean…your wife will love you for it.
Just think. In 1500 years from now, academics will be quoting from the ancient texts, like; the Time Life books on Home Remodeling, or the Time Life books on the Old West (I remember reading those at my grandfather’s house as a kid, great books!) and will wax philosophically about the Golden Age when they ate treats made of cheese & beef in between two pieces of buns that you were able to buy at a magical place called McDonalds (!!) Nothing will be known of this McDonald, other then he must have been a fantastic agriculturalist.
video of a frail elderly man who is clearly confused
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21BU0YK0cO4
Grimace walks with the grace of a Nile hippopotamus.
LOL. Triggered by Harris, gorgeous purple outfit, I’m guessing.
Maybe she is part Maori. Birds of a feather.
no one can watch that video and not see a frail failing old man who is fairly disoriented
compare that to hale, strong trump
‘the hale strong Trump’
Haha!
They made fun of Trump for worrying about slipping on a steel ramp in dress shoes.
I walked out onto a tile floor yesterday and wound up on my ass even after I took precautions to avoid it and I am half Trumps age and weight.
Yes maj aka freddie now calling yourself redneck liberal which is an insult to all true rednecks.
I doubt you have worked a hard honest days work in your life.
Jezus Krist, I didn’t realize it was that bad.
Well, at least he made it up the steps.
Look at all their funny masks! Do they think it’s Halloween mommy?
A little adopted White girl in South Carolina is beaten to death by her Ebon adoptive parents. They are charged with murder but the question everyone must ask is how did she end up with these two as adoptive parents? The other accessory criminals will never be charged, we may safely assume. Who are they? They are employees of the family court system in South Carolina.
One more innocent slaughtered.
https://www.wyff4.com/article/former-upstate-teacher-charged-in-childs-death-has-teaching-certificate-suspended/35308747
The Netherlands rises against their Covidian Masters. No one thought it would be the Netherlands first. But they do have a strong martial history though it hasn’t been seen in a long time. Spinoza’s friend, Jan de Witt, was torn apart by a Dutch mob. Spinoza went to go out and denounce them but his landlord blocked his path, thus saving his life.
https://www.rt.com/news/513507-netherlands-anti-lockdown-clashes-riots/
“No one thought it would be the Netherlands first.”
No, they should have (history and all…).
Go NL!
I read Jan de Witt was hanged?
Maybe the mob hanged him instead of tearing him apart? I wish they’d make up their mind.
Those loveable Nederlanders!
All is not well in Bedpan Biden’s Woke Utopia.
Just yesterday.
Antifa rampaging thru Tacoma, looting, burning, setting fires in streets, fighting cops, and vandalizing property.
And in Manhattan, a gang of about 2 dozen distinguished ‘Community Members’ set upon a young Chinese man as he gets off a bus, beating him savagely, stripping him naked on the street, then mercilessly stomp him as he lay helpless on the pavement. Video shows them grabbing his cell phone and wallet, and casually climbing into waiting cars, a job well done.
Joe is setting the table.
Thanks Joe!!
The Asian fella is a kulak, obviously.
And now, news approaches me that poor folks in the south are ‘out of luck’ if they want the cuckoo virus vaccine. Apparently, the vaccine companies don’t think it’ll make ’em enough profit, so they’re leaving those deplorables off the list of the vaccinated.
Meanwhile, the privileged liberals are clamoring for it. LMAO.
Got a link to where that news approached you from, MaryV? I’d be interested to read what the vaccine companies are saying as an excuse. B*st*rds …
Here’s a state-by-state er … state of the vax – doesn’t seem to show anything particular about southern states.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine-doses.html
Also, it seems the vaccine is free to all Americans, so any charge isn’t going to the vaccine companies, but to your care provider? So not sure what difference it makes to the vaccine companies whether you are in Mississippi or Maine.
https://www.cnet.com/personal-finance/the-covid-19-vaccine-is-free-so-how-could-you-still-get-charged/
My intuition from a number of your posts is that you just make stuff up. And/or believe anything at all.
Which is considered fine on here as long as you stick with the template.
’ My intuition from a number of your posts is that you just make stuff up. And/or believe anything at all.
Which is considered fine on here as long as you stick with the template’
GA, you’re an oasis of common sense is a desert of trolling dipsticks. Thanks for your insights. I particularly enjoy your smack-downs of the Troller-in-Cheif on a regular basis. He knows his gaslighting lies are all-but-impossible to quash, so he’s elevated it to a low-art form.
Suddenly everything has cleared up!
Gavin Newsome suddenly eases restrictions on Covid lockdowns!
What could it possibly?
Could it be this was all done as some believe to get rid of Trump?
Could it be his recall is moving along at a speed we might actually be rid of this smarmy used car salesman?
Could it be both?
The timing is VERY suspect!
indeed..and gruesom newsom got a gift of a mansion.
His recall petition has more than 1 million signatures now. And guess what. Now Dem officials want in person signatures or some such nonsense because they are now concerned that there are fraudulent signatures for the recall. Their hypocrisy is fully exposed and I hope California residents take note of who is trying to change the petition/signature rules midstream and go after them legally for changing the process. That type of corruption keeps the arrogant Gavins of the world right where they are.
#TheCoronaHoax
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What? No new material????
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Funny, I hear from all other sources that Joe Biden is the savior in shining armor come to rescue all the good people from the conniving evil deplorables.
America’s so-called left is the least prepared part for what is coming up, and I think they’ll handle it by blaming the deplorables stridently.
A big concern ahead is that the globalists have just as sharp a vision of the future challenges that you do, but as they see it, to make transhumanism a reality will require a massive population cull in the near future. Then they’d have a certain amount of reasonably economic fuel to power their orgiastic vision for a generation or so.
I guess thinking like this makes me a conspiracy theorist.
It also makes you a realist.
Proof that the far-right has a sense of humour after all, the wall-eyed fright that stiffed armed the press for so many forlorn months has now decided she is qualified to be governor of Arkansas.
She just might be able to bullshit her way into that office. We simply cannot find the bottom in this special time.
The bottom – is it in Arkansas?
Unlikely, Arkansas has modern plumbing.
Perhaps Whakarewarewa. It’s like Wakanda for Majellas.
No Red, the bottom is in San Fran, LA, Portland, Seattle and a dozen other lefty dystopic sh#tholes, with hundreds of thousands of vagrants, squalor, chaos, disorder and violent street theater.
That’s the bottom. Not rural Arkansas, hater.
Brh
You hated Sarah Sanders for her goodness. And Kayleigh McEnany for her beauty and wit.
Wall-eye and the potato eater.
The latter of the badly skinned knees.
Said the rude and thoughtless worm
who needs to get stepped on. Or used as fish bait.
Thank you for providing me with perimeters as I felt like I was just liable to do anything to strike back at Kap Stoopid. Let the piranhas devour him lol!
Sounds like you have some serious fantasy issues with two ladies that would not even talk to you.
Sanders was a pretty smart cookie herself. She handled the muppets quite well.
Yes, she was and yes she did.
‘…a pretty smart cookie…
Your standards are -ratty low-bar if you actually MEAN that.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/11/white-house-announces-press-briefing-after-record-time-without-one.html
She ended up running away, probably because the lies she was forced to spout for Trump eventually stuff in her craw.
<‘…handled the muppets quite well’’
Should one expect less of Miss Piggy?
More qualified than the Kenyan or the current faux resident in the Whitehouse. Far more than Ol’ Bubba was.
As far as finding the bottom you keep trying to wipe your mouth and ears I know you have guano for brains and all but stop telegraphing it for all to see with low IQ posts.
Double down on masks to protect against the “new strain”. And the next new strain? Double down again – four masks!
Why not? What do you have to lose? You already gave up your dignity, why not your humanity? Four is better than two, isn’t it? Why wait for next next strain? Do it now.
N95’s? Only for medical personnel. Stop being selfish you swine.
Cut straight to the chase and go to pull string garbage bags. 100% effective or your money back guaranteed! The upscale ones have nice stretchy pull strings and some are even scented. Might as well asphyxiate in style I always say!
I am all for this sort of thing. The amusement of watching some drone struggle with his self-imposed breathing problem brings me a modicum of joy in these sad times.
Jim
See that you still believe that the constitution and justice under our laws means something in Amerika. How long you going to believe that, 2 years, 4 years?
They might still mean something, but you have a point. Many of us miscalculated just how far this gang of criminals would be able to go.