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      With little to do while waiting for something possibly very bad to happen people tend to get jokey. That was how I felt about the election until Hurricane Sandy came along. For one thing, I happened to travel (by car – how else?) last week from Bennington through Brattleboro, Vermont, and down into a de-industrialized corner of northwestern Massachusetts. There were at least three major highway bridge re-construction projects (and many lesser ones) still underway along the route from last year’s Hurricane Irene, which devastated Vermont. There’s a fair chance that Vermont will get whacked again, undoing a billion dollars of work along the same mountain river roads. How demoralizing will that be? And where does the local share of the money come from?
     I remember, too, being in Wilkes-Barre, in Eastern Pennsylvania just a few years ago and seeing that the city never actually recovered from floods induced by Hurricane Agnes in 1972, which coincided with the beginning of the end of the local coal industry. The downtown was functionally dead, with a zombie overlay of social services, wig shops, and street people conversing with themselves. It appears that Hurricane Sandy is going to rip through the same region again, then curl east into my part of upstate New York and finally slog into the same new England states that got bashed last year.
     Then, of course, there is the question of what happens to New York City in the next 48 hours, a potential enormity too vast to quantify from here (not to mention Washington DC, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Wilmington, and the toxic waste dump formerly known as New Jersey).
     My own main worry, sitting here in comfort, in a well-lighted room, is how widespread the electric power outages might be and how long might they last — conceivably even through the election. Surely, Mr. Obama is pacing nervously now in some deep underground White House command center, worrying about what might be required if there is no electricity to run the voting machines across the nation’s most populous region, or if many hundreds of thousands of voters get stranded at home by broken bridges and washed-out roads, or how many votes his government might lose if the juice stays on but he can’t relieve the anticipated misery fast enough… with the idiot Romney kibitzing from the sideline.
      I don’t know if the US can take that kind of disruption and come out the other side the same way it went in. The systems that keep us going are already in trouble, some of them already teetering, like the airline industry, which can barely keep going with jet fuel clocking at 40 percent of its operating costs due to $90-a-barrel oil. The political system itself is more fragile than we might suppose, despite the seemingly despotic reach of surveillance, the size of the government payroll, and the amazing complacency of the sports-and-fructose-saturated public. Few believe in the two major parties, or what they pretend to stand for, including many officers and foot-soldiers in those parties. If the system finds itself unable to hold an election on the day specified by the constitution, what happens then? Another trip to the Supreme Court. Uh-oh….
     Anyway, Hurricane Sandy and all it portends this Monday morning is a nice distraction from all the other things un-winding, tottering, and fracturing in so many advanced nations. Promises of massive (and improbable) bailouts have kept the financial meltdown of Europe a few degrees below critical mass for a couple of months, but the thermometer is inching upward with the ominous Catalan regional election in Spain tipping well toward the secessionists, and Greece whirling around the economic drain, with all of its previous bail-out money merely yo-yoing back to the client banks of the “troika” that arranged the bail-outs, and countries like Italy, Portugal, and Ireland whistling past the graveyard beyond the news media’s peripheral vision. And then there is China with its government transition hugger-mugger, its empty make-work cities, its crony banking system unaccountable to anyone, and its extremely modest reserves of its own oil to run the whole hastily constructed shootin’ match. They have been working earnestly in plain sight – off the news media’s radar screen – to construct a resource extraction empire in Africa, but then they will be stuck with the job of defending 12,000 mile supply lines. Good luck with that.
    Finally, there is the nauseating spectacle of the presidential election itself, with two creatures of corporate capture pretending to represent the interests of some hypothetical majority who wish to remain the slaves of WalMart and Goldman Sachs. If Hurricane Sandy causes such massive disruption as to interfere with the election, perhaps that will be a good thing – a sudden, unavoidable re-thinking of our ossified institutional customs, and a thrust into the emergent history of the future.


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506 Responses to “Apocalyptoween”

  1. kulturcritic* October 29, 2012 at 9:55 am #

    James, with a shitstorm bearing down upon me, Sandy, the kulturCritic, writes you from the center of superstorm Sandy in Manhattan

  2. PRD October 29, 2012 at 10:00 am #

    I’m waiting for the crazies on the Right to claim the Obama people planned the hurricane, so he can look presidential.

  3. orbit7er October 29, 2012 at 10:03 am #

    Once again the Corporate Media never dares to mention Climate Change as the likely cause of this latest Weather disaster following upon Midwestern droughts, last year’s Halloween Blizzard in the Northeast, last year’s Hurricane Irene. Both Corporatist candidates preach “Drill Drill Drill” to promote Happy Motoring forever…
    This is the cost of 20 years of Climate Change Denials and 40 years denying the lessons of “The Limits to Growth” MIT study from 1972….

  4. nino October 29, 2012 at 10:05 am #

    I’ve not been too wrapped up in the faux elections but, Mr. Kunstler, you’ve got an excellent point. If the Prez postpones things then the repugs will flip out. But if your worst case in fact is our reality, you tend to hit the nail on the head well before, then that broad area of the country represents at least half the Dem’s stock and trade.
    What a mess on all counts. Good luck weathering the storm. We here in the midwest still sit on over a 20″ defecate in rainfall for the year…

  5. Onthego October 29, 2012 at 10:06 am #

    One look at the Electoral map tells you that Hurricane Sandy could very well take out the Northeast, which (along with the Left Coast and NM) is the bastion of Democratic presidential electoral votes. Any long lasting power outages will cripple counting the vote (let alone getting to the polls) on Nov. 6.

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  6. asoka_ October 29, 2012 at 10:08 am #

    How many empty houses and commercial buildings do banks hold titles on now?
    xhalor, thank you for that question because it gives an opportunity to share more GOOD NEWS, and puts the lie, once again, to XXX5’s contention that we are in the worst economic DEPRESSION of our history.
    The number of empty houses is declining.
    Nationally, the number of occupied housing units – that is, those receiving mail – rose by 970,000 in the last year, from mid-July 2011 to mid-July 2012. In fact, vacancies have declined in 90 of the 100 largest metros. The biggest year-over-year decline – by a wide margin — was in San Jose, where vacancies dropped by 24.1%.
    XXX5 is wrong. And so is anybody else who tries to say we are not in an economic recovery. The data speak for themselves.
    SOURCE OF DATA FOR THIS POST: The U.S. Postal Service (USPS) Delivery Statistics. These files, report “active” and “possible” addresses on postal carriers’ routes. These data show the number of residential addresses that are occupied and vacant each month at the ZIP code level. Typically, addresses are considered “vacant” 90 days after mail delivery to that address stops. Seasonal or vacation homes are not counted as vacant. P.O. Boxes are excluded from this analysis.
    Assalaamu alaikum!
    Allahu Akbar! (???? ????)

  7. Protour October 29, 2012 at 10:15 am #

    One of Kunstler’s weakest posts. Doesn’t mention the “promising” oil forecast the oil companies are predicting that came out this week. Also doesn’t mention that Hurricane Sandy is primarily fueled by global warming, which is what will likely seal our fate in the long run, not peak oil or financial collapse. But our lifestyles are like the insurance industry; not sustainable. We all agree on that.

  8. 3rd Generation October 29, 2012 at 10:19 am #

    “I’m waiting for the crazies on the Right to claim the Obama people planned the hurricane, so he can look presidential.”
    Impossible, especially the second count about ‘looking presidential’.
    Come Nov. 7th The Game will be over for the pretender and never mind the weather.
    Time to put the Gambinos back in the top chair and the Bonnanos to regroup for next time.
    Maybe there will be jobs for Pelosi and Reid back in the nether regions of the South Side.
    Pray that storm zeros in on Wall Street.
    Today’s PIG is Tomorrows Bacon – HST.

  9. Desertrat October 29, 2012 at 10:20 am #

    I don’t wish ill onto anybody, but I sometimes wonder at the hurricane damage in the northeast as compared to that along the Gulf coast.
    85 mph winds? Ten inches of rain? Heh. Check out some of the down-south hurricanes of history. Camille, 1969. Carla, 1961. Beulah, 1967. When you get near thirty inches of rain in a day or so, after 140 mph winds (and even higher), you figure that it’s a truism that Nature Bats Last.
    In 1961, Carla’s winds blew out the anemometer at the Victoria, Texas, airport. 120 mph–and that was well inland from the coast. She pushed 17 feet of water into Trinity Bay by Houston.
    1970’s Celia came onshore with 160 mph winds, with gusts to 190. I worked on the damage survey/relief, afterwards. Awesome.
    So I dunno. Why the problems in the NE that are relatively less trouble down south? If all we get are 85 mph winds and ten inches of rain, we just go get a beer and wait a day or so to do outdoor stuff…

  10. empirestatebuilding October 29, 2012 at 10:22 am #

    Last year I lost power for 10 days because of Irene. And for 7 days because of a snow storm the winter before. This time, I imagine it will be at least a week. I’ve stopped stocking up on frozen food. I don’t want to throw it all away. I joke that we live in Baghdad. But it’s not a joke.
    Aimlow Joe was here

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  11. Loveandlight October 29, 2012 at 10:28 am #

    Watch and weep for your species.

  12. Phaedrus October 29, 2012 at 10:29 am #

    It is quite a “nauseating spectacle” for sure.
    I feel that BOTH Obama and Romney are out of touch. Politics has become a bad joke. Useless and OUT OF CONTROL memes are becoming more powerful messages than the campaigns themselves. We end up discussing more about “Binders” and “Bayonets” than the important stuff. Voters are not voting “for” a particular candidate as much as they are voting “against” another candidate. http://wp.me/p1LP6G-7V

  13. lsjogren October 29, 2012 at 10:30 am #

    “Once again the Corporate Media never dares to mention Climate Change as the likely cause of this latest Weather disaster following upon Midwestern droughts”
    Maybe because journalists still have a few remaining strands of professionalism that deter them from being too willing to entertain unsubstantiated speculation by scientifically-illiterate leftist crackpots?

  14. Phutatorius October 29, 2012 at 10:30 am #

    I used to think that the use of portmanteau words signified something about mental states, but now I have forgotten what it was.

  15. casual observer October 29, 2012 at 10:30 am #

    Obama is a fraud
    The banking system is a fraud
    The money is a fraud
    The Courts are a fraud
    The legal system is a fraud
    911 is a fraud
    The edical systemis a fraud
    The war on terror is a fraud
    The financial system is a fraud
    Any questions???

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  16. icurhuman2 October 29, 2012 at 10:31 am #

    I’d be more concerned about the twenty plus nuclear power plants directly in the path of Sandy and the likely blackouts and flooding about to land in the midst of them. Considering the aging facilities that most of them are and that some of them are GE BRW1 boiling reactors of the Fukushima kind, the real worry is more about a real apocalypse than some election mess. Too bad they turned off all the radiation detectors across the U.S. after Fukushima, a real ostrich-head-in-the-sand reaction to keep many of the moronic masses safe from the truth of their own inevitable slow death as I’ve ever seen.

  17. KT October 29, 2012 at 10:39 am #

    It looks like the storm may take a more inward track than originally thought. Perhaps New England will be spared.
    Great Lakes may feel an impact, though.
    I’ll bet final vote count will be delayed.
    I’m not looking forward to the election outcome or aftermath.
    For your viewing pleasure: Art among the ruins in Detroit. Hurricane not needed to do this. Just regular collapse.

  18. Smokyjoe October 29, 2012 at 10:42 am #

    Central VA is getting off easy this time, but we’ve had our share of shitstorms in the past 10 years. We’ll send our power crews out to help other states, and patch and mend back to something like normality.
    At an ever-lower level of reliability after each of these weather events. I suspect that in 20 years, much of our public infrastructure will look like Nigeria’s. Especially if the Plutocracy Twins get into office after next week.

  19. asoka_ October 29, 2012 at 10:43 am #

    LOL!! This is your brain on drugs, Casual.
    Any questions??
    Allahu Akbar! (???? ????)

  20. Puzzler October 29, 2012 at 10:46 am #

    Nino, you describe a 20″ defecate in rainfall.
    That’s a pretty big crap to take in the rain — I hope someone got a photo of it. Post it on iPoo.

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  21. pequiste October 29, 2012 at 10:49 am #

    Today’s essay title is PERFECT for an au courant indie film. Think Mel Gibson meets Michael Myers. The setting is Cancun for the NWO’s final planning meeting. Using Spring Break as cover, The whole affair is sponsored by Goldman Sachs where the globe is divided into new satrapies. The evil shadow government plans to paint useless eaters blue and then establishes mandatory “flu shots” to prevent an outbreak of Marburgh. Lloyd Blankfein makes a cameo appearance with Ben Bernanke when they buy Quintana Roo to celebrate the collapse of the Euro $. Partying and mayhem are at fever pitch as the storm approaches and the rancid Madonna, with a opening act of cabaret-ist Michael Feinstein, provide the entertainment. It’s an all-inclusive, all-you-can eat and drink debaucherie extravaganza with the denoument ” a shocking surprise” on 21 Dec 2012. The American taxpayer will actually pick up the tab for it.
    On a reality note the beaches here in South florida have been destroyed as a result of Sandy. Sad.

  22. sooty October 29, 2012 at 10:53 am #

    Please go away and take your ignorance with you. Your “unsubstantiated speculation” has been peer-reviewed up the yin yang, with agreement rarely seen–by scientists who do climate science, jackass. It would be nice if hyper weather events limited their impact to those who needed a smack upside the head to register reality, but unfortunately the rest of us must be swept along.

  23. Hugh Culliton October 29, 2012 at 10:55 am #

    “Surely, Mr. Obama is pacing nervously now in some deep underground White House command center, worrying about what might be required if there is no electricity to run the voting machines across the nation’s most populous region…”
    Can someone please explane to me America’s obsession with extremely over-complicated voting machines? I’m Canadian. A land where we’ve run successful voting at all levels since the 18th century using paper and pencils. I teach high school civics and my students participate in a program call Student Votes where the research the various party platforms and then have their votes submitted provincialy or nationally to compared the actually election results. We run it using the same equipment as the real elections. Without problems, and no dimpled chads, or hanging chads or any of that over-complicated stuff. What gives?

  24. ront October 29, 2012 at 10:57 am #

    This thinker/writer lays out an excellent description and reasoning for why he (and I) intend to vote for Jill Stein. I live in California which I understand is not a so-called swing state.
    Voting Green in a Swing State
    Thursday, October 25, 2012
    This article isn’t really meant for everyone, so I might be able to save you some time. If you think climate change isn’t a serious electoral issue, this probably wasn’t written for you. If you think American presidents should conduct wars on their own authority and that it’s okay if they secretly assassinate whomever they (secretly) decide are bad people who might hurt us then you needn’t concern yourself with what follows. If you think the Bill of Rights of the Constitution doesn’t necessarily apply when terrorism is involved, or that letting gays have civil rights should be decided on a state-by-state basis like slavery before the civil war, or that the health of the environment isn’t more important than economic growth, or that whistle-blowers who expose governmental and corporate crimes should go to prison but that privileged lawbreakers shouldn’t, or that whether a candidate is electable should depend on how much she pleases wealthy donors—if any of these approximates your own take on the issues, please read no further. You’ll be bored. Honestly.

  25. progress4spam October 29, 2012 at 10:57 am #

    Nice work this week, JHK.
    And thank you for this wild-ass comment thread, with its dissent and argument.
    (you could ban china..spam..boy and one other recurrent..over..poster and it would be better.)
    Whether you agree with him or not, JHK is extraordinarily gifted at finding the ONE thing most every week that could make this “sucker go down,” in the words of BushII.
    Storm Sandy, city Democrats, and Diebold Machines are certainly a plausible trigger for a plausible plot.
    So thanks again.
    In other news, TrippTicket, who is known to regular visitors to this blog – has an interesting look at US Politics and energy descent on his own blog. I’ll take the liberty of posting it now because I think many of JHK’s Monday visitors will find it interesting.

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  26. PRD October 29, 2012 at 11:00 am #

    It’s not just the MPH of the winds, and inches of rain, another important factor is WHERE this is going to hit. A concentrated area with millions of people, subways, huge skyscrapers that create wind-enhancing tunnels between them, and little more than concrete to absorb some of that rain is a lot different than some place like Victoria, Texas.

  27. sevenmmm October 29, 2012 at 11:02 am #

    Mr. Kunstler, you knew it was coming sooner or later. Yeah, the collapse. Oh, yeah, the superstorm too. Mankind has stacked the deck to get the best cards on the table first, now there are only shitcards left to play…
    Here is some advice – now that you are willing to listen. Buy solar electric panels, install a nickle iron battery, and use a Flexpower controller to have the ability to hook the system into the grid.
    This way, when you are off gallavanting around telling everyone about the collapse that is about to go down, you can, at least, be adding something into the grid so the idiots have enough power to watch the sporting games on tv. Of course, they will pay you for the service.
    Oh, and please remember, doesn’t matter how much insulation you have if there is no power source.

  28. rocco October 29, 2012 at 11:11 am #

    Great title and article James. I was at our local Wegmans where folks cleared the shelves of bottled water, and I heard shoppers complain that the main box supply stores out of battries. I gave 6 neighbors on my street, 4 senior citizens, 2 young folks with new borns, liquid candles, light sticks, heater cans, emergency blankets and sleeping and battries. I have switch to wing up power sources, solar to recharge battries, so I have extra, but folks cannot handle this storm, what about the long emergency storm. But I do have extra Halloween candy, maybe a sign from the creator that he hates Halloween and Obama!

  29. Pucker October 29, 2012 at 11:17 am #

    Oh Sandy my darling you hurt me real bad…it’s true….Oh Sandy!”

  30. bossier22 October 29, 2012 at 11:20 am #

    you forgot the war on drugs and securing the border. two more frauds.

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  31. newworld October 29, 2012 at 11:29 am #

    Actually we here in America are in the “Collapse”, it’s just grinding on in a slow state, but it is the collapse.
    Politically the Left is in full reactionary retard mode to try and save the expensive depth of control welfare state. (Never mind the Right they want DoD welfare and they will shut up). Three states make the backbone of the D party’s electoral base and two of them are bankrupt and in desperate need of a Bernanke bailout and the third is gonna get raped by a tropical storm and require disaster bailouts (lucky them).
    See Mish’s article at NRO for where Illinois is headed. (down)

  32. Common Cents October 29, 2012 at 11:34 am #

    Just for thought (in case any of you are actually thinking on your own), a report published last month from some reputable think tank in the UK said that the world, as a whole, has actually been getting cooler for the last sixteen years. I’ve also read that the polar ice cap (at the South Pole – at Antartica) is actually growing. I know it may be hard for all of you “climate change” fanatics to fathom, but I live in the desert Southwest and this summer, on average, the temp was actually a degree cooler than last. I believe what has affected the Midwest so dramatically this summer, is the fact that the Gulf Stream, which brings warm water to the North Atlantic, has died (do to the BP oil spill in the Gulf); and this has changed the upper atmosphere Jet Stream. If you really want to make a change to global atmospheric conditions, than I suggest you research the source of the largest polluters on the planet – you know, the one’s that are large enough to see from space! Wow, you’ll find them in the countries of China and India. Maybe you should move to China or India so your voices of concern will matter. Or are you afraid you’ll be executed as a discident?

  33. Zev Paiss October 29, 2012 at 11:36 am #

    To Jim and the other 60 million American’s being hit by Sandy the freak of nature – thank you Climate Change – please stay safe. It is ironic that the 2012 election was challenged by a topic almost never mentioned during the long, expensive and uninspiring election cycle – thank you Climate Change.
    I write to you from my unique perspective here in the year 2060. Yes we have figured out how to communicate with you in 2012 to help in whatever way we can to ease the pain of the coming Great Transition.
    Just know that what you will experience in the next week will become all too familiar in the years to come. If you want to see how it all turns out, pick up a copy of the novel “From Here to There: A Story of America’s Future.
    In the mean time stay safe and get to know your neighbors. They may very well save your life.

  34. BeingThere October 29, 2012 at 11:39 am #

    It’s a big cold wind that may be a game-changer as JHK describes. Let’s just call it the fall or our discontent soon to be the winter)
    There are so many tricks and not so many treats as we find out from Greg Palast that Ann Romney made millions on the auto bailout via Delphi Auto parts made possible by the hedge funds handling Delphi’s assets. [How Mitt and Ann made millions–and Mitt’s hedge fund donors made billions–from the auto-industry rescue that he condemned.]
    Meanwhile Obama says nothing leaving one to wonder if the system is so hijacked that no good can come of anything they try to do. I keep thinking he really doesn’t want this anymore–I couldn’t blame him, though we are being handed over to the sharks.
    While there is no discussion on global warming on the campaign trail and a general decline in the public’s interest, not to mention those who claim it’s a hoax,
    Naomi Klein wrote an op ed in the NYTimes: “Geoengineering: Testing the Waters”.
    An article well worth reading as we make yet another Faustian deal to continue our way of life without making any changes in how we do things.
    She describes an experiment by entrepreneur Russ Gorge who off the islands of Haida Gwaii nr. Brit Columbia
    […dumped 120 tons of iron dust off the hull of a rented fishing boat; the plan was to create an algae bloom that would sequester carbon and thereby combat climate change.]
    Yes, folks, that’s the way our elite like to do things. There are never any consequences considered, but in stealth, they will do some quick fix to make sure they don’t have to stop their ways of doing business.
    […one of the disturbing repercussions of geoengineering: once we start deliberately interfering with the earth’s climate systems — whether by dimming the sun or fertilizing the seas — all natural events can begin to take on an unnatural tinge. An absence that might have seemed a cyclical change in migration patterns or a presence that felt like a miraculous gift suddenly feels sinister, as if all of nature were being manipulated behind the scenes.
    Most news reports characterize Mr. George as a “rogue” geoengineer. But what concerns me, after researching the subject for two years for a forthcoming book on climate change, is that far more serious scientists, backed by far deeper pockets, appear poised to actively tamper with the complex and unpredictable natural systems that sustain life on earth — with huge potential for unintended consequences.]
    Note: Here in NYC our building just contacted us that elevators will be turned off this afternoon in anticipation of power failures and we will just hunker down for today. Hope all CFN followers will fare well in yet another storm of the century.

  35. Common Cents October 29, 2012 at 11:43 am #

    If you think the current guy looks “Presidential”, I guess you must be watching a different channel!

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  36. Neon Vincent October 29, 2012 at 11:57 am #

    I had a feeling you’d be venting your concerns about Hurricane Sandy, the Frankenstorm, today, and I was right.
    Here in Michigan, the very outermost bands of Sandy have been giving rise to winds that stripped most of the last leaves off the trees as well as scattered showers. The prediction is winds up to 40 mph tonight and rain the rest of the week, including some downpours. Compared to what Sandy will do where you are, it’s trivial, but it’s as bad as Michigan gets when it comes to hurricanes.
    I blogged about Sandy yesterday morning, but that was only one post of eleven since last Monday. Seven of the rest have been about the election, including two about Proposal 3, which would establish a goal of Michigan generating at least 25% of its electricity from renewable sources by 2025. The only fly in the ointment is that it does so by amending the state’s constitution, which is enough to make people oppose it for overkill. I’m not one of them.
    Two of the rest were about the third party presidential debate, which I mentioned in my comment last week. I predicted that the Libertarians, Greens, and Justice Party would come out with a coherent agenda; they did, on three separate issues. Unfortunately, they agreed on the drug war, foreign policy, and privac; only the Green candidate said anything about how to deal with our environment-related contration issues.
    As for the non-storm, non-election posts, they concerned themselves with space news, food news, and predictions for snow this winter.
    As for what’s coming up, tonight is a full moon, tomorrow has more campaign events on the schedule, Wednesday is Halloween, and Thursday is Day of the Dead, with the election and hurricane aftermath continuing after that.
    Trick or Treat and Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit!

  37. LifeSupport October 29, 2012 at 11:59 am #

    “Another trip to the Supreme Court. Uh-oh….”
    There it is. As Phaedrus notes, there IS some “important stuff” lurking beneath all the blather over “binders” and “bayonets”. I am inspired to repost my first comment to last week’s thread:
    “All other considerations aside, I find some reason to be concerned about the possibility that the Supreme Court may still exert a strong influence upon quality of life in post-peak society. That concern alone would be enough to drive me to the voting booth.”
    One of the few things that appear certain is that sometime within the next few years I will need to make some adjustment(s) to the memonic I use for remembering the SCOTUS lineup: Ruthless Kings Think All Kangaroos Should Be Gut Shot.
    Twice now during this election season my powers of telekinesis have proven too weak to redirect the paths of major storms (the first being the complete miss on the GOP convention, of course). I’m giving up on any future efforts. It’s just exhausting. For all I know, this storm is the answer to a great many Republican prayers. After all, praying a lot is something they are generally rather well known for. Or maybe it’s just coincidence. Either way, it seems to hold a lot of potential for working out better for them than for Dems, and if it ultimately leads to the appointment of another conservative SCOTUS judge or two, it could be back to the Gilded Age for this lot. As if we weren’t headed that way already. Uh-oh. Ooops. Fuck.
    Hang in there all you East Coasters. Our thoughts are with you (and prayers, for those who are into that). Look on the bright side: maybe this will be useful as a drill.

  38. Scotty October 29, 2012 at 12:05 pm #

    No, PRD, more likely for the crazy right-wing hatemongers like Pat Robertson to claim that Sandy has been sent by God the week before the election to punish the Northeast for being pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-Obama, and pro-Democratic.

  39. azgog October 29, 2012 at 12:05 pm #

    I like it. After a Presidential campaign narrowly focused on returning to/continuing BAU and with no mention of the now plainly visible effects of Global Warming, Nature winds up to deliver a 1000 mile wide suckerpunch right between the eyes of the financial/political empire. One week before the election it threatens a costly further degradation of our infrastructure and a spooky reality check.
    Oh yeah, turning 12 million tons of crude oil into 38 million tons of (unfortunately) invisible CO2 EVERY DAY and transforming 7 Billion tons of coal into 189 Billion tons of CO2 EVERY YEAR can’t change the atmosphere – melting ice caps and record heat is all part of a natural cycle. And the fact that the USA is responsible for over 20% of the total (3x more than the next bigger consumer)doesn’t mean we have to demonstrate any concern or leadership – cause we are so exceptional ya know.

  40. cbwim October 29, 2012 at 12:06 pm #

    Many of the models are showing Sandy heading in with its storm surge close to Delaware Bay, home to many oil refineries as well as “Artificial Island”. Sitting on this “island” are two decades old nuclear plants, the Hope Creek (with the same design as Fukushima’s) and Salem. From what I’ve been able to dredge off the Internet the island only sits 9′ above highest annual tide. The storm surge with waves are generally expected to be worse than that. Also, this is a part of the bay where it has narrowed to about 1/3rd compared with its opening and this usually has an amplifying effect. I’m trying to find out more information on other blog sites such as the Oil Drum. But we could have a Fukushima emergency scenario unfolding before our eyes before the day is done.
    Consider that these are just 18 miles south of Wilmington DE where most of the credit card companies are based, Delaware corporations etc. Expect that if we end up with a meltdowned reactor, that they will minimize the evacuation zone to 10 miles or so. Not the 50 mile zone the NRC recommended for Fukushima! Baltimore is just 50 some miles away and just beyond that is Washington DC.

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  41. PRD October 29, 2012 at 12:08 pm #

    For cryin’ out loud—it was a JOKE about how insane and divorced from reality the Right Wing has become. I am not somehow defending/promoting/supporting Obama.
    What challengers fear are “October surprises” (you’ve heard this term, I’m sure?). A natural disaster, would give any president the opportunity to hug survivors, deploy the National Guard (those that aren’t in the Middle East), reassure the nation, etc.

  42. Scotty October 29, 2012 at 12:09 pm #

    orbit7er, the weather media (like the Weather Channel & Weather Underground) have certainly mentioned the aspects of Sandy that are amplified by global climate change. But I agree the MSM has fallen down on the job. But really–a superstorm with one of the lowest barometric pressures ever recorded and an epically large windfield slamming into the Northeast right before Halloween? How crazy is that?

  43. cbwim October 29, 2012 at 12:11 pm #

    This storm may be normal, not climate change derived. Its very similar to the 1938 hurricane.
    It won’t help to use belief systems to win the climate change argument. The arguments against are all belief systems. Instead, we need to rely on facts such as the melting ice, disappearing ice caps, thawing permafrost etc.
    These storms are a good illustration of what we might expect however.

  44. shankspony October 29, 2012 at 12:11 pm #

    This may be the first political party removed from office by Climate Change. Obama’s biggest threat right now is Hurricane Sandy. The timing re:election day is absolutely awful. Sandy is going to wipe out the mid-Atlantic and Northeast all the way to Ohio and Michigan. These are all Obama’s core states, the heart of the Democratic Northeast. People will be in still be in recovery mode on Nov. 6; power may not even be restored in may areas, trees will be down, houses destroyed, floods, etc. People will be just getting out of evacuation mode and might not make it to the polling places; polls may not open. They won’t give a damn about voting if they’re without housing, food, water, electricity, transportation, or anything that resembles a normal life. That leaves Obie with the Pacific coast. All the rest of the ‘flyover’ states that Democrats laugh at, that vote Romney, could pull as many votes and elecctors as the Northeast states. If Obie doesn’t win Florida, he’s through. And it’s too late for the Heroic Halo; if the storm had happened a month ago, Obama would gain votes by being the Daddy in Charge who pulls the country together and makes everyone feel taken care of. But it’s too late for that. There is no recovery time that will allow him to spin this into a Heroic Halo. This storm is going to blow through the election in the worst way. This may be the first time in history a political party is voted out of office by CLIMATE CHANGE.

  45. Scotty October 29, 2012 at 12:19 pm #

    asoka, your post about the drop in vacant housing units overlooks a glaringly obvious point, that you’d notice and admit if you were an honest broker and not a propagandist. That point is that the banks have very noticeably and deliberately slowed the foreclosure process over the last 2-3 years so as to mask the mountains of bad debt they’re sitting on and to keep housing prices from tanking even more than they already have. There is likely a current backlog of several million foreclosures that are mired in the process, and many, many homeowners who are essentially squatters, living in homes for which they’ve stopped paying. And the banks are letting them, for their own selfish reasons. Certainly if the system were functioning “normally” there’d be many more vacant properties sitting around than there are currently.

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  46. azgog October 29, 2012 at 12:27 pm #

    Correction: Burning coal produces 2.7 tons of CO2 per ton of coal, so that is 18.9 billion tons/year, not 189 billion (that would be correct for 10 years). Burning oil produces 3.15 tons CO2 per ton, so each 25 gallon SUV fill-up (157 pounds) results in almost 500 pounds of CO2 out the tailpipe. Cars are basicly climate destroying machines that also move us around.

  47. Radu Voda October 29, 2012 at 12:38 pm #

    Oh really? Would Baba approve of “Gay Marriage”? And seeing that he didn’t even approve of birth control, what did he say about abortion? And how many of his followers can accept any of his views on these subjects? Or do you just trot Baba out when you are in “Baba mode” and not talking about politics?
    And what about you? Do you think women should get to decide who is human and who isn’t?
    The state’s rights gambit is a desperate attempt to stop complete takeover by the Left. But yes, it is part of our heritage too. Diversity – which you people are supposed to be in favor of… And it is a check on Federal Tyranny. Obviously some things are universal though – like the sanctity of life for example.

  48. Radu Voda October 29, 2012 at 12:43 pm #

    The Media love emergencies because they get to pretend to be compassionate and brave. Lately they have taken to going into the ocean during storms. Hopefully one will be taken out by a wave this time. It’s almost happened several times.
    People in general love it too. It is the Shiva or destructive aspect of God. And we Americans love creation, Brahma, and destruction, Shiva. Maintainance or Vishnu – not so much. Where’s the chance to make money in maintainance?

  49. Scotty October 29, 2012 at 12:44 pm #

    Desertrat, you really displayed your insulated ignorance with your post. There are major differences between the typical Gulf Coast hurricane and Sandy, that have been mentioned by the media, if only you’d listen. Most importantly, the Northeast coastal areas are vastly more populated than the Gulf Coast, with typically older construction that is not as well-designed for storms like this as the newer codes in the Southeast coastal regions usually require. The geographical features of the coast and the seafloor in the Northeast accentuate storm surge more than you’d typically see in the Gulf regions (on top of the fact that Sandy is hitting during a full moon high tide). The vegetation (trees) in the Northeast are different from what you have on the Gulf Coast, and are more vulnerable to toppling from wind and rain-soaked ground (on top of the fact that the coastal regions still have most of their trees in leaf, meaning more will come down in the wind than would from a typical winter Nor’easter). Sandy is also slow-moving, and has an astonishingly large windfield, even if her max sustained winds are only category 1 strength, meaning that the wind event will last a very long time, much longer than the usually more compact, fast-moving Gulf storms cause. 10-15 inches of rain on relatively flat Gulf coastal plain is not the same as an equivalent amount of rain over the Northeastern mountains and ridges. The latter is a great recipe for major problems with flash flooding. There’s about a 50-50 chance that storm surge will top the Manhattan seawall and flood parts of the subway system. That alone could cause billions in damage on top of epic transportation snafus in the nation’s largest metropolis. How many flights are typically canceled when a hurricane comes ashore near Biloxi, MS? Not too many, I’m guessing. Now, we’re seeing flight cancellations in DC, Baltimore, Philly, NYC, etc. totalling upwards of 10,000 flights. How much economic disruption will that cause? Consider evacuations of just the vulnerable coastal areas of the Northeast. How many people would be involved, how long would it take, how much economic disruption would it cause? Metropolitan NYC alone has 22 million people–nearly double the combined populations of Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama. I could go on…the point is, just think a little bit before you so casually and callously post about Northeasterners being a bunch of wimps compared to you tough guy Gulf Coast residents.

  50. Scotty October 29, 2012 at 12:45 pm #

    You forgot one line of your poem: “Romney is a fraud.” Other than that obvious oversight, the rest was pretty much spot-on.

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  51. ksat October 29, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

    The media is now reporting that there may be power outages of 10 days due to Sandy. If true, this would put us past election day. How could they still have an election on 11-6 if millions on the east coast canot vote? The Repugnicans will scream bloody murder if the election is postponed (can it legally be done?) because power outages in the northeast favor them. Most affected states are ‘blue.’
    If Romney is elected due to this freak storm, Pat Robertson and the bible-thumpers on he right will proclaim it an act of God to remove the evil Obama from office!

  52. Scotty October 29, 2012 at 12:48 pm #

    Well, Hugh Culliton, the difference is that you Canadians still believe in democracy and the democratic process, while we Americans only pretend to.

  53. azgog October 29, 2012 at 12:48 pm #

    How many subway systems and under river highway tunnels in the Gulf Coast States again?

  54. Scotty October 29, 2012 at 1:15 pm #

    Wow, Common Cents, so much ignorance on display in one post! How do you do it?
    You clearly know nothing about weather or climate and how it all works. Please provide a link and cite the study from the “reputable” UK research outfit that the globe has been cooling for the last 16 years.
    While you’re doing that, you can actually check out what NOAA has to say about the subject. Here’s an excerpt, followed by the link. Please note the point about warming not being globally uniform (meaning that some spots on the planet have actually cooled slightly, but the global trend as a whole is for warming), and especially the last sentence:
    “Global surface temperatures have increased about 0.74°C (plus or minus 0.18°C) since the late–19th century, and the linear trend for the past 50 years of 0.13°C (plus or minus 0.03°C) per decade is nearly twice that for the past 100 years. The warming has not been globally uniform. Some areas (including parts of the southeastern U.S. and parts of the North Atlantic) have, in fact, cooled slightly over the last century. The recent warmth has been greatest over North America and Eurasia between 40 and 70°N. Lastly, seven of the eight warmest years on record have occurred since 2001 and the 10 warmest years have all occurred since 1995.”
    Your idea that the Gulf Stream has “died” due to the BP oil spill disaster is laughable. If the Gulf Stream is starting the process of winding down, it will be because of the melting ice cap in Greenland, among other factors. Finally, yes, China and India are massive polluters, but the US is still right there in the top two with China, and given this country’s wealth, technological advancement, and 30+ year process of deindustrialization, we have no excuse.

  55. Radu Voda October 29, 2012 at 1:16 pm #

    Or 20 or so feet of snow. Superstorms will create the new ice age in another year or two.

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  56. Scotty October 29, 2012 at 1:22 pm #

    No, cbwim, Sandy is NOT just like the 1938 Long Island hurricane. For one, that storm occurred in summer, and if you haven’t noticed, it will be November in 3 days. Also, the 1938 storm was relatively compact and powerful, and didn’t have a windfield nearly as enormous as Sandy’s. It was also fast-moving (thus the nickname “Long Island Express”), while Sandy is slow. Sandy is also one of the lowest barometric pressures on record. A storm of this size and strength hitting this far north this late in the season is virtually unheard of. But no reasonable person is claiming that Sandy was “caused” by global warming. That’s an oversimplification of the theory and its implications that right-wing nutjobs love to indulge in. What people ARE saying, is that the effects of global climate change are helping to make these freakish weather events more frequent and destructive.

  57. Radu Voda October 29, 2012 at 1:29 pm #

    Gotham is a human and eco-disaster waiting to happen. No wonder the League of Shadows want to give it a lil push…

  58. cheesemoose October 29, 2012 at 1:40 pm #

    Oh boy! Another JHK prediction:
    “I don’t know if the US can take that kind of disruption (Hurricane Sandy) and come out the other side the same way it went in.”
    Although he’s learned from painful experience to be as vague as a politician running for office (“same as it was”? What a hedge!), our secular Savanarola just can’t keep from putting his brand on our impending doom.
    Imagine Jim’s disappointment as Sandy passes by and The Apocalypse, once again, fails to materialize.

  59. anti soak October 29, 2012 at 2:18 pm #

    MB was not ‘against’ Homos, but was ‘against’ sex in general!
    According to his writings and long time devotees, he was 100% against birth control, including abortion.
    Do you know they switched In-hog-uration Day next year? To MLK day, 1-21, I think.

  60. anti soak October 29, 2012 at 2:19 pm #

    When has Climate not changed?
    It changes with the weather.

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  61. Monkeyboy October 29, 2012 at 2:22 pm #

    My feelings on Sandy as well, I even tuned to Faux News this morning for a minute to see how they would spin the storm.
    They announced that RRomney had sent his campaign bus to the rescue.
    At that point I projectile vomited on my television set, and will be seeing no more “news”.

  62. Tancred October 29, 2012 at 2:22 pm #

    I recall the “Perfect Storm” of 1991, a strangely similar convergence of a cold front, a hurricane (Grace, I think) and big ratios of warm to cold air. It also occurred during Halloween week. I remember watching the ocean start covering Morrissey Boulevard near U-Mass Boston where I was in school. Once I waded across the road, I actually could take the The T Red Line home; glad they didn’t close it like they did today in NY.
    That was a CRAZY storm that was based on once-in-a-century meteorological convergences, kinda like Sandy. I also lived through the Blizzard of 78’ which was like a winter hurricane with snow instead of rain. I love storms in general, and the Atlantic Coast remains home to some of the more interesting ones.
    And to be able to watch in real time with live satellite and radar…I’m like a kid in a meteorological candy store.

  63. Scotty October 29, 2012 at 2:26 pm #

    Here’s my Sandy-influenced election forecast: Sandy will cause significant damage, major power outages, and large disruptions in the Northeast. Largely as a result, voter turnout will be quite low in that region. Obama will still win all of the states/territories most affected (MD, DC, DE, NJ, PA, NY, CT, RI, MA, VT, NH, ME, and on the periphery OH), and will possibly eke out a very tight win in VA, although he will lose big in WV as expected, and likely lose a fairly close one in NC as well, also as expected. The reason he will still win all those states is that all but OH, NH, and VA are solidly blue in presidential politics this year, while OH and NH are now looking to be likely Obama wins, and VA is a toss-up that is starting to lean a little more Obama in recent polling. Both Dem and GOP turnout in the states will be affected, but he has enough of a cushion in most of them that even if the Dem turnout is more affected, it won’t change the end result, and with the way our system works, even if only 100,000 voters go to the polls in a state like NJ, if Obama gets, say, 50,250 of those votes, then he’ll get all of NJ’s votes in the electoral college (after the mandatory recount, of course). With the current electoral college map and math the way it is, that will very likely lead to Obama winning the EC and thus the election, although with significantly fewer electoral votes than in 2008.
    HOWEVER, the suppressed turnout in the solid blue Northeast will lead to Romney winning the national popular vote, as he has much bigger margins in solid red states in the South and Plains than Obama has in most blue states. It was going to be very close in the popular vote anyway, but the effects of Sandy on turnout in the Northeast will probably tip the popular vote to Romney nationally. And this isn’t even taking into account all the election shenanigans that we’ve come to expect in the last decade in states like Ohio and Florida, which are sure to happen again this November, in some fashion.
    Anyway, we’ll have Obama winning the EC and the election, but Romney winning the popular vote, along with the GOP retaining a reduced majority in the House and the Dems clinging to a slim majority in the Senate. Cue four more years of utter political dysfunction, and a constitutional crisis fostered by incessant GOP shrieking about the unfairness and illegitimacy of the presidential result, no matter that the existing rules were followed. It will be a hundred times worse than all the Dem moaning and complaining after 2000 (which was really an even more egregious scenario, as Gore won the national popular vote and almost certainly would have won the electoral college as well, had the votes in Florida been counted properly). It will be made much worse by untold millions of corporate dollars in Super PAC support for a reinvigorated Tea Party movement, and perhaps a contrived effort at impeachment (there are already GOP pols putting out impeachment feelers over the Benghazi events, and the GOP misinformation campaign surrounding them).
    On the plus side, this train wreck might finally convince a critical mass of the political elite that the existing system for electing presidents has to be overhauled. Then again, probably not. Dem critics of the EC in 2000 will morph into defenders of it in 2012, while GOP defenders of the EC in 2000 will morph into opponents of it now. **Sigh**

  64. ASPO Article 1037 October 29, 2012 at 2:29 pm #

    As we wait for the confluence of November 2012 events here are a couple of source persons with some inputs for future reference:
    John McTernan has compiled a moderate sized list of US disasters and chronologically adjacent meddlings with the State of Israel. Japan’s Tsunami is in this category, in context with top Japanese official stepping into the two-state rhubarb… Check the transcript, Mr. Obama.
    Shane Warren has a previous work, more general in scope, relating US fortunes with cultural change, mores of behavior, etc. For the information of many, God has made a list of particulars for people to avoid, with stern consequences for non-compliance…
    Referenced repeatedly in the Judeo-Christian scriptures are warnings against- Homosexual behavior; Shedding Innocent Blood (US abortion score now exceeds total body count of WWII); and, meddling in the affairs of Israel.
    The Ten Commandments are also still in force. Aside from the cardinal items mentioned, it would be a truly enlightening thing to see MBA degrees include assurance holders of same were dedicated to faithful adherence to the letter and spirit of ancient writ. For MD’s, we have the Hippocratic Oath as well…
    Our usual presence here is to keep the proprietor on his toes about railway’s key part in the American scheme. Again, we expect to see key Eastern Seaboard railway lines rebuilt with all due haste, as were the rail links to the Port of New Orleans after the Hurricane/flood disasters a few years ago.
    What we do/did not see in the Gulf rebuild, or in Japan, or poor little Haiti, utilization of dormant secondary rail lines to expedite removal of debris and better flexibility for cargo and personnel mobility. Highways really are not only priority for post disaster (or attack) infrastructure rebuild. With energy emergency as a given even in best case, replacement of any and all rail links must be undertaken ASAP.
    Electrified portions of Northeast rail Corridor knocked out by Sandy should borrow Diesel power from BNSF & UP, idle units available to keep traffic moving as the electrified portions are repaired.
    People in tune with a different infrastructure set needed for making our way through the Oil Interregnum should speak up at FEMA and political party committees to assure we don’t throw good money after bad transport methodology. It is most important to note these guidelines also work for cases of temporary insanity I,E., atheism.

  65. ASPO Article 1037 October 29, 2012 at 2:33 pm #

    Special for Mr. asoka:
    See Old Testament book Obadiah, and also, Psalm 83; share with your local Cleric, please…
    We’ll get together next week, Lord willing and Jimbo gets his volts back!

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  66. Radu Voda October 29, 2012 at 2:33 pm #

    Is Carville even human? The guy has no forehead at all…

  67. Tancred October 29, 2012 at 2:35 pm #

    “Electrified portions of Northeast rail Corridor knocked out by Sandy should borrow Diesel power from BNSF & UP, idle units available to keep traffic moving as the electrified portions are repaired.”
    Can’t run any trains when the roadbed is washed out. Much of the NE Corridor hugs the coast…

  68. Radu Voda October 29, 2012 at 2:40 pm #

    Lucan has triumphed: his nemesis, the Ramtha Cult is in disarray. Ramtha, a world conquering warrior from 30,000 yrs ago, is anti Mexican and Catholic. The clip is out, embarrasing the Democrats who took a large contribution from Ms Knight. Also Ms Knight seems a bit under the weather in the clip, but we shouldn’t hold this against Ramtha himself.
    The Democratic Party has given the tainted money to the ADL and Gay groups to be purified. Reasonable, since they are the high priests (along with the Blacks) of “”our” “culture””

  69. Tancred October 29, 2012 at 2:55 pm #

    Holy Crap!! What if the Intar-Webs data center gets swamped? We’ll all be screwed!!

  70. Scotty October 29, 2012 at 3:00 pm #

    Huh? Where did I mention James Carville? And how does he have anything to do with the Northeast’s hurricane vulnerability?

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  71. Grouchy Old Girl October 29, 2012 at 3:04 pm #

    Thanks for that, Hugh. I’m Canadian too and I was asking myself the same question. Electronic voting has too many pitfalls. In Canada, with scrutineers on site from each party watching the vote count after the polls close, it works quite well and results are almost always in within a couple of hours.
    Our town has turned to some stupid internet voting system and nobody is happy with it except the bureaucrats who installed it. Just too many opportunities for honest glitches and/or deliberate manipulation.
    If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

  72. Scotty October 29, 2012 at 3:04 pm #

    Tancred, I’m sure the “series of tubes” will survive the Sandypocalypse. Too bad the late king o’ corruption Ted Stevens isn’t around to issue dire warnings about it from the Senate floor.

  73. bproman October 29, 2012 at 3:13 pm #

    Snorkel or snow shovel. Trick or Treat.
    Soon everyone will be deep in the digital dog doo and trying to keep themselves from drowning in the fiat financial fiasco of quantatative hurricane printing.

  74. Widespreadpanic7 October 29, 2012 at 3:13 pm #

    So far this so-called superstorm hasn’t amounted to much (in NW Connecticut anyway); maybe its just some more self-aggrandizing bullshit by the cranked up media to show us how important they are …
    Who Knows?

  75. Widespreadpanic7 October 29, 2012 at 3:17 pm #

    Just a little rain, and a lot of Bullshit!

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  76. ozone October 29, 2012 at 3:23 pm #

    Just a note.
    Thanks for cutting straight through a concentrated layer of floating scum and bullshit that has appeared early on in the proceedings this week. I appreciate your insights and concur.
    Nothing to add now (which most are grateful for ;o), maybe later on, we’ll see. (Hooking up the ‘puter is a bit of a pain when power is out, as the generator is mandated for priority functions. Playing it by ear.)

  77. Grouchy Old Girl October 29, 2012 at 3:29 pm #

    Anyone remember Hurricane Hazel on October 15, 1954? That was one hell of a storm that ravaged the eastern coast from Carolina on upwards until it met up with a cold front and veered off inland. In Toronto Canada 81 people were killed by the flooding that swept homes away into Lake Ontario.
    There is much speculation that Sandy may rival Hazel for its destructive power and we in south eastern Ontario are bracing for it too.

  78. ozone October 29, 2012 at 3:29 pm #

    What? MORE bullshit?
    Hunker down; I don’t think we’ll have too much problem from rain ’round hyar, but the wind might bring down a bunch of trees if the roots get too loose in saturated soil.
    Good luck and good eats! (You get to munch all that yummy freezer stock.)

  79. RyeBeachBum October 29, 2012 at 3:59 pm #

    It is all on Dick Cheney and his Halliburton Hurricane machine.

  80. AMR October 29, 2012 at 4:20 pm #

    Aside from well-read meteorologists, the media have practically no perspective about severe weather. They can’t place storms into any meaningful historical context, and they’re clueless about the specific kinds of severe damage that are likely and the relative risks of each.
    The way that these storms are covered on cable news reminds me of the amateur hoopla a few years ago when that Jet Blue plane couldn’t retract its forward landing gear on takeoff from Long Beach. The flight crew did exactly what it was trained to do, burning off fuel for a few hours until the plane was light enough to safely land, then bleeding off as much speed as they could on landing at LAX, where a fire crew was on standby. CNN’s idiot reporters carried on about how the passengers and crew might be in danger for their lives, then showed live feed of what turned out to be a perfectly standard emergency landing.
    The unfortunate corollary is that these idiots are also too ignorant to appreciate very real, very deadly risks that are less spectacular and don’t have live feeds that can be aired on a slow news day.

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  81. ront October 29, 2012 at 5:08 pm #

    Radu and Anti, approaching Meher Baba with a fundamentalist sensibility is not my thing, and has not been for a long, long while. As He is universal, He is approachable by one and all. However you are apt to get what you come looking for. If you seek rules to argue with other over, you can probably find something.
    For something much more broad in scope on how one can live a life in accord with the will of God, read this prayer given by Meher baba in the 50’s.
    Prayer of Repentance
    We repent, O God Most Merciful, for all our sins;
    for every thought that was false or unjust or unclean;
    for every word spoken that ought not to have been spoken;
    for every deed done that ought not to have been done.
    We repent for every deed and word
    and thought inspired by selfishness;
    and for every deed and word and thought inspired by hatred.
    We repent most specially for every lustful thought
    and every lustful action, for every lie, for all hypocrisy,
    for every promise given but not fulfilled,
    and for all slander and backbiting.
    Most specially also, we repent for every action
    that has brought ruin to others,
    for every word and deed that has given others pain,
    and for every wish that pain should befall others.
    In Your Unbounded Mercy! We ask You to forgive us, O God!
    for all these sins committed by us,
    and to forgive us for our constant failures to think
    and speak and act according to Your Will.

  82. Barfy Barf October 29, 2012 at 5:31 pm #

    The real story is the death of 4 of our fellow Americans in Benghazi. The lack of coverage by the broadcast networks, CBS, NBC and ABC or CNN is disgusting and these networks are adding to the guilt of this administration of leaving these men out there to die. I am surprised that these major networks are not on this 24 hours a day, as it is a huge story. But with 99% of the media biased and liberal, American lives means nothing if it means keeping their man in office. Thank God for Fox News. I am looking forward to Romney and Ryan winning in 8 days, because no matter what, I doubt Romney would have left these 4 men out there to fight for 7 hours and then die. This is a national tragedy and disgrace. To hell with peak oil and the end of the world nonsense by this author and his zombie followers — 4 men died.

  83. Scotty October 29, 2012 at 5:55 pm #

    When I read the comments from ASPO Article 1037, Radu Voda, ront, and anti-soak, I confess to thinking, “who let you guys out of your padded rooms and gave you access to keyboards?”
    Going down the rabbit hole of religious delusion and conspiracy theory is not a wise way to face the real world and prepare for the crises and dislocations to come.

  84. Radu Voda October 29, 2012 at 6:10 pm #

    In other words, abortion and birth control are your thing and you don’t give a damn what He said about these subjects. It’s easy to be all general and holy, but the devil’s in the details and how one deals with them. As King David said, meditate on His Statutes night and day.
    That’s a nice prayer. Many women would love it both before and after they get an abortion. But they wouldn’t even think of ever contemplating their specific sins and repenting. And avoiding the same in the future. That’s what separates the men from the boys morally speaking.
    Youth is always Good n’ Holy in their own minds. Remember the Google Guys telling people not to be evil? Then they cooperated with China to spy on its own citizens. One of them admitted that they had done evil. It’s inevitable if one thinks that one is too holy to sin. The Traditions were wiser, don’t you think? Many is born to trouble like sparks from a fire. Admit your evil impulse/original sin and ask for Grace.

  85. Radu Voda October 29, 2012 at 6:14 pm #

    The Left and its Mainsteam Media loved Woodward when he wrote about Nixon. But his book about Obama is getting scant attention. Too many things like Pelosi muting him when she was talking to Harry Reid.
    Hillary said she “takes full responsibility” – but what does that mean? To me it means she should be arrested for Benghazi. I have no doubt that she’d then sing a different tune.

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  86. ozone October 29, 2012 at 6:36 pm #

    It’s almost enough to “make one wonder” about the ‘Murkin standing next to you in a public venue, isn’t it? ;o)
    Go armed; it’s not enough to be rational and “innocent” in these mutating times.

  87. ozone October 29, 2012 at 7:00 pm #

    Just when you go and get a “position” on an “issue” nailed down, Apocalyptoween comes along to give you a spankin’ and a bad name, all at the same time! Geez, can’t a plutocrat catch a break??
    Won’t you please help?…

  88. anti soak October 29, 2012 at 7:08 pm #

    MB was a STRICT Moralist.
    For a year he lived on a glass of milk per day, in isolation.
    It is a funny story since he asked for a thermos of milk. After his year in isolation, he asked ‘why did I get 1/2 a thermos of milk daily, I asked for a full one’?
    Answer, the delivery boy had been drinking half the milk enroute to his hut.
    MB was ‘almost’ all knowing.
    MB was a STRICT Moralist. He said suicide is one of the worst things one can do to oneself.

  89. anti soak October 29, 2012 at 7:10 pm #

    ‘However you are apt to get what you come looking for.’
    And Im calling you on yr BS.
    I read his books. I know what he taught. I met many who knew him before he passed.
    Face the / his facts.

  90. Headless October 29, 2012 at 7:17 pm #

    Gee. Can’t imagine what you might do for a living…

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  91. Pucker October 29, 2012 at 7:22 pm #

    CO wrote; “Obama is a fraud
    The banking system is a fraud
    The money is a fraud
    The Courts are a fraud
    The legal system is a fraud
    911 is a fraud
    The edical systemis a fraud
    The war on terror is a fraud
    The financial system is a fraud
    Any questions???”
    Uhhh…yeah…uhhh…Will this be on The Final Exam?

  92. Scotty October 29, 2012 at 7:56 pm #

    You want the “real story”, Barfy Barf? Well, here it is: The four Americans killed in Benghazi (including “Ambassador” Stevens) were spooks engaged in covert ops, meddling nefariously in the internal affairs of a country that we’d just helped to devastate and rip asunder by fostering and supporting a civil war of Islamist insurgents (including, oddly enough, our officially declared archenemy, “al-Quaeda”) against the duly recognized secular government, all justified by cynical, self-serving, completely fraudulent rhetoric about “humanitarian concerns”, “democracy”, and “human rights”. Yes, the Qaddafi regime was a dictatorship, and yes he had a sordid history of nasty international behavior, but he’d made big strides in recent years and reached out to the West, and nevertheless the country was stable. Now, the country is in a shambles, is anything but stable, and is described by impartial international organizations as a much bigger human rights disaster than it was when Qaddafi was in power. And all thanks to us! We thought we could cynically manipulate the factions on the ground, including unabashed al-Quaeda elements, in order to topple Qaddafi, install a more pliant puppet regime, and sink our talons even more firmly into the country’s large oil reserves, and then deftly control the scene and maneuver the al-Quaeda elements out of the picture in the muddled and confusing aftermath of the civil war that we caused. But surprise, surprise–the Libyans and al-Quaeda had other ideas, and decided they’d double-cross us before we had the chance to double-cross them! OOPS!
    Now, I’m not necessarily saying that Stevens and the other 3 guys had it coming…but they were involved in covert ops in a country where the US had just fostered a calamitous civil war and led a foreign intervention that had killed thousands of people and demolished much of the country’s infrastructure. So, there’s that. Consider their deaths yet more blowback for America’s bloody and destructive meddling in the Middle East. There are a few venerable, wise old sayings that come immediately to mind. Hmm, let’s see:
    “If you play with fire….”
    “He who lives by the sword….”
    “He who sows the wind….”
    “What goes around….”
    I’m sure you can fill in the rest.
    Oh, would you like even more of the “real story”? How about the fact that the Obama administration requested a significant increase in funding for embassy and consulate security, to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, but was turned down by the GOP House? Or the fact that the four deaths over which you’re making such political hay are merely a drop in the bucket compared to the thousands of Americans who’ve died in the fraudulent and unneccessary wars that were launched by the Bush administration? (Let alone the hundreds of thousands of civilians in Muslim countries–likely a million or more–who’ve died due to American aggression over the past 20 years. In spite of their dark and swarthy appearance, and prayers to Allah, they’re human beings too.) Or the fact that no matter which party is in power, no matter who sits in the Oval Office, the US is pursuing a policy of unbridled aggression in the Muslim world that will ultimately fail to get us everything we want and need and will come back to haunt us? The fact that both parties are gearing up for war against Iran–a war that could result in a regional catastrophe? The fact that the US is using the same tactics and playbook in Syria–fostering a civil war, supporting Islamist radicals, and collaborating with elements of our official archenemy “al-Quaeda”–as we used in Libya? The fact that in its rush to stall its economic and financial decline by unleashing military aggression around the world, the US is transforming into an authoritarian police state?
    Maybe you could care a little more about some of those things than flogging the deaths of four spooks for political points?
    But run along now, back to your ignorant, fact-free FAUX News echo chamber. I wouldn’t want you to become too upset by reality and soil your diaper.
    (Oh, and since when has 99% of the media been comprised of “liberals”? LOL Seriously. FAUX News is virtually omnipresent in public venues, and gets more eyeballs watching it than MSNBC and CNN combined. The airwaves are filled with right-wing yell radio. Are we seriously supposed to believe that FAUX, yell radio, the WSJ, the NR, and many, many more organs of the right-wing media machine only make up 1% of American media? Riiiiiiight.)

  93. Goat1080 October 29, 2012 at 8:21 pm #

    Nuclear power stations in the Northeast about to take a hit from Sandy.

  94. ozone October 29, 2012 at 8:22 pm #

    Hey Kids!
    Just in time for JHK’s Apocalyptoween, Joss Whedon shows and tells why we’d be so much better off with a Romnocracy. (Well it’s about time.)
    Watch, and be amazed at the irrefutable logic and heartfelt appeal…

  95. ront October 29, 2012 at 9:44 pm #

    “And Im calling you on yr BS.”
    Go ahead. What is the BS you are calling on?
    “I read his books. I know what he taught. I met many who knew him before he passed.”
    Then you know very little. Do you long to know God, see God, love God, or please God instead of yourself? If so, it will require more than reading or theory. It takes practice. Everything you will ever need to know is already within you, you have to strip away that which veils you from it. Love and service to others is proven path to that end. Self-effacement and self-sacrifice are not very popular in this culture. They are considered by many as naive, delusional, foolish.
    If you want some inspiration on how to live in the world, one of the best examples is the World Series Champions, the SF Giants. Read some articles that interview the players and manger. These guys are really on to real brotherhood, real learning, humility, living in the moment, and spiritually-minded attitudes.
    “Face the / his facts.”
    What facts?

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  96. Radu Voda October 29, 2012 at 11:31 pm #

    I love it: Baba’s moral teachings are “fundamentalist” for Ront. I met his followers, and I sensed that most of them were fairly typical hippy types – lacking in asceticism in other words. Their attraction might be sincere, but they will “find themselves” ignoring the hard things. After all, that’s what Americans do.

  97. anti soak October 29, 2012 at 11:37 pm #

    I attended ‘the gatherings’ in the 70s.
    The devotees were often conservative and past 40 YOA.
    Some had known him.
    Teachings included: No social drugs, ever.
    MB had told ‘Baba Ram Das’ to stop taking LSD. He didnt. Now hes in a wheel chair, for the last 15? years.
    Let Ront have his fantasy! Who cares?
    Theres a great rare book called “The Wayfarers’
    about MB working with the ‘God Mad’.
    I knew someone who was there during that phase.
    It was called the ‘Mad Ashram’.
    If you read Muktanandas autobio, he has a photo of an old adept who he calls ‘Zipuranna’ [I think]
    MB gives a great run down on him in ‘Wayfarers’.

  98. asoka.. October 30, 2012 at 12:08 am #

    Special for Mr. ASPO Article 1037:
    Ecclesiastes 3:1
    I am Asoka..
    Someone else is posting under Asoka_
    I’m not sure which of the Asokas you are responding to, but my answer to Psalm 83 is Ecclesiastes 3:1.

  99. radonee9s October 30, 2012 at 1:49 am #

    June Carter Cash Remembered


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  100. asoka.. October 30, 2012 at 1:50 am #

    “We have been on a steady road toward cheaper gas prices nationwide. The storm could mean a small wobble to the upside for a few days, but I suspect prices will resume their downward trend,” said Tom Kloza, chief analyst at Oil Price Information Systems.

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  101. shastatodd October 30, 2012 at 3:27 am #

    “nickle iron battery”
    um, no thanks… there are far better battery technologies.

  102. Radu Voda October 30, 2012 at 3:33 am #

    Yes Ram Das badly disobeyed his Guru Neem Karoli Baba – a much more serious offence. One doesn’t get away with such things with such Beings, not if one is representing them to others at least. That’s a serious responsibility.
    I don’t remember Zippurana being featured in the Wayfarers – not as one the main half dozen or so. Many masts and saliks (yogi pilgrims) are mentioned though. He may well be in that list. I remember your Grand Guru, Swami Tapovan of the Jyotir Math is mentioned as being met by Baba.

  103. Stephen Daedalus October 30, 2012 at 3:40 am #

    I don’t understand why you posted that quote. This vlog is about energy depletion and its ramifications. Giving us sayings from no-nothings without stating a point leaves us with nothing. No wonder why nobody believes anything you say.

  104. Stephen Daedalus October 30, 2012 at 4:00 am #

    A perfect example of the Tower of Babel. Nobody could understand what the other guy was saying. As I just posted to ‘asoka,’ what is your point?

  105. Stephen Daedalus October 30, 2012 at 4:21 am #

    Quite a post Scotty and not beyond the unbelievable. The world is full of insanity.

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  106. Stephen Daedalus October 30, 2012 at 5:57 am #

    Cyclones form in the oceans all the time due to nature. Man has impact on his surroundings but not at that level. Nature is vastly bigger than us.

  107. robpenfold October 30, 2012 at 7:00 am #

    I have been watching everything I can in the media about Hurricane Sandy and I haven’t heard anyone yet mention the words “climate change”.
    I can’t help wondering just how many times we gotta get whacked around the head by these kind of storms before someone mentions “climate change”?

  108. Monkeyboy October 30, 2012 at 7:33 am #

    “Duck and Cover under a school desk will protect you from a nuclear blast.”
    Burt the Turtle
    Federal Civil Defense Administration
    I just LOVE it when people quote the United States Government like it is a source of factual information.
    But my very favorite involves a recent homework assignment.
    My professor assigned a paper to the class.
    I wrote the paper, took a picture of it, and dumped it in the Indian Ocean.
    When the professor asked for my work I told him I did it, took a picture of it, and dumped it in the Indian Ocean.
    He asked to see the picture.
    I told him that he might find it too “disturbing”
    He gave me an “incomplete fail” grade on the paper…. I cannot for the life of me imagine why.
    It is not limited to these two examples… right off the top of my head “duct tape will protect from chemical attack”…. the Gulf of Tonkin incident… Watergate… “I did not have sexual relations with that woe-man”.
    The US Government is as an accomplished a liar as most of the elected officials who staff it.
    You base your personal economic recovery on the rich creamy filling of oil that the US government assures you is there in one hand, and shit in the other…. guess which hand is gonna fill up?

  109. Barfy Barf October 30, 2012 at 8:16 am #

    You are too emotional a person with which to have a conversation; however, you might like this to read in your spare time: http://www.fhu.com/brainwashing_book.html

  110. Monkeyboy October 30, 2012 at 9:09 am #

    You’ve been busy today!
    Thank you for (sort of unofficially) confirming what I have suspected about the whole “Arab Spring” thing… CIA fingerprints all over it.
    I look at Obama ™ and see “intelligence” fingerprints all over that resume as well.
    Actually just looking at the US “Election” gives me the heebie jeebies anymore… it is all so WWEesque.
    Very staged… and pre-determined. I am quite certain that Obama ™ will “win” by a “narrow margin”…. hell, they might even lose the popular vote and assume the office again to make it a nail biter.
    Jim says he is allergic to conspiracy theories, and a few years ago he cutoff a whole bunch of people for bringing up 9/11 which I will never do from that angle on here…. fortunately I don’t need to.
    I said this earlier on the thread, and it bears repeating so I will say it again.
    My professor assigned the class a paper.
    I wrote my paper, took a picture of it, and dumped it in the Indian Ocean.
    When the professor asked for my paper, I told him that I did it, took a picture of it, and dumped it in the Indian Ocean.
    When he asked to see the picture I told him that he might find it “disturbing”.
    He gave me a “Incomplete Fail” on the assignment…. I cannot imagine why.
    My first problem with our governmental credibility begins with the idea that a school desk can protect you from a nuclear blast.
    And the pictures of bullet ridden Uday and Qusay Hussein that I can google anytime I want.
    And the idea that no matter what Bin Laden’s body looked like, It couldn’t possibly be as grossly graphic as the weekly episode of “Bones” on FOX.
    I get my privates groped by the government in airports, get my phone calls listened to, get to pay for it all and a couple of wars….. for the money we spend “getting” Bin Laden…. THEY SHOULD PUT THE BODY IN A MACY’S WINDOW DISPLAY FOR THE ENTIRE CHRISTMAS SEASON.
    I should be able to buy the body on EBAY (in a debt reduction program)
    But Obama ™ took a picture, dumped the body, and won’t show the picture.
    When you “crash” four airplanes into building you lose the right to the funeral of your wishes….. your body becomes the property of “the people”, no matter what your religion demands.
    I have taken the approach to Obama’s ™ claim that his homework is “done” that my professor wisely took to mine….no matter what response Jim’s allergies may evoke.

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  111. EndofMore October 30, 2012 at 9:33 am #

    While every effort is being rightly made to counteract the effects of hurricane Sandy, it is vitally important not to ignore the wider implications of what mankind faces. This disaster is just the start of it.
    As the hurricane hits the eastern seaboard, every emergency service will swing into action; every rescue vehicle will do what it is supposed to do: winch people to safety, pump out flooded basements, restore power as fast as possible, get food and water to those who need it and restore functioning services that make cities possible
    Ultimately the fight to overcome chaos will be won, and order will be restored. Everything will get back to normal, the skies will clear and the seasonal cries of the hoax merchants might be heard across the land once more.
    But ultimately we fight a losing battle.
    Over millennia we have constructed an infrastructure that allows us to ignore climate, but we have only been able to do that by burning fossil fuels. Essentially we have used the power of hydrocarbons to stop ourselves getting wet when it rains. (doubters should think clothes cars and houses) Whether you build a skyscraper or just cut down trees to build a log cabin, the principle remains the same: it is only possible to maintain our systems and keep the rain out by converting hydrocarbons into stuff we need.
    And so it is with the response teams dealing with hurricane Sandy. Our fuelburning has increased the ferocity of the climate, which has unleashed its fury on us. But to save ourselves from its worst effects we must burn more fuel. It should be obvious by now to even the most dimwitted hoax-peddler that pumping heat into the oceans and atmosphere has let loose the forces of nature, whereas our energy sources are diminishing.
    So as we look forward to the storms of our future, we also have the certainty that we will not have the means to do anything about them.

  112. progress4spam October 30, 2012 at 9:52 am #

    Hell of a mess in the Northeast today.
    I try to have my bs detector turned to the highest setting when watching TV news – but things look legitimately bad up there. More importantly, the areas affected cover a HUGE area.
    Any human’s feelings of concern should go out to any of the folks put in distress by this event. And if you don’t believe prayer can help an affected individual as a coping strategy – that probably means that you don’t believe in God. (god?) Sorry about that.
    It certainly would be good to get a report in from Ozone, Widespread Panic, K/Q, JHK, or any of the rest of the NE contingent of CFN concerning their personal situation and a report on their own observation of events.
    2 million out of power in NJ.
    2 million+ out of power in NY State.
    Physics and Mother Nature are sending a gentle (so far) little message that we have too many people in the US and too many people living too densely on the coasts.
    How long will it take to rebuild, replace, and inspect all of the electrical equipment just in the NY subways that were flooded by saltwater?
    Now extrapolate those numbers.
    Good luck, folks. Seriously.

  113. progress4spam October 30, 2012 at 10:02 am #

    Complete and utter bullshit continues.
    This comment thread was once filled with the life of the mind, and with original thought.
    Now it slowly dies in front of our eyes.
    The “chinese spammer” is part of the reason.
    He posts his sh*t regardless of season.
    Thread traffic is bound to be light this week.
    I hope JHK gets back power
    Then gets mad
    And perma bans this freak!

  114. progress4spam October 30, 2012 at 10:24 am #

    One more thing before I go out to do some honest work for the day. This is a cool concept.
    Personally, I hope something like this turns out to be true.
    “A near-death experience happens when quantum substances which form the soul leave the nervous system and enter the universe at large, according to a remarkable theory proposed by two eminent scientists.
    According to this idea, consciousness is a program for a quantum computer in the brain which can persist in the universe even after death, explaining the perceptions of those who have near-death experiences.”

  115. Left Coast October 30, 2012 at 10:33 am #

    Too bad you had to write this the day before all hell broke loose in your area.
    I wonder who is the next group of corporations will be asking for a bailout from old Uncle Sam. Could it be the insurance industry?

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  116. ront October 30, 2012 at 11:11 am #

    The following quote does a far better job at saying what ai tried to in my last couple of posts.
    Meher Baba
    In 1962 at the East-West Gathering, Bal Natu described a
    visit to Baba by several people. During the course of the
    conversation, reference to reading and books was made. Aloba
    was called to recite some lines of Hafiz in Persian meaning:
    “Happiness and misery are the lot of life and are
    experienced in the circle of duality. Once one gets out of
    this circle the duel of duality vanishes. Hence happiness
    and misery mean nothing.”
    One visitor said, “Baba, in a way we understand this pretty
    well, but we cannot live up to it and cannot help being
    miserable though this is all a game of nothing!”
    Baba replied, “Mere verbal knowledge does not help much, but
    remember one thing, if misery and happiness are in the
    domain of Nothing and are really nothing, then why not
    always choose to be happy? Remain happy. Try to remain
    happy. Know that God alone is and all else is nothing.”
    One of the Baba lovers then said that understanding derived
    through reading is vague and later on becomes confusing, so
    he had quit reading books on spiritual subjects. The first
    visitor said, “When we are with our Master, Baba, reading
    becomes inessential, but when we are away from Baba, reading
    his books and meditating on the themes mentioned therein are
    the real solace in life for me.”
    Baba stated, “The effect of reading depends upon the kind of
    books and the value you attach to them. We find people
    quarreling in the name of religion. Is it not like dogs,
    fighting for the bare bones which have no marrow in them?”
    Aloba then repeated Hafiz’ lines: “The real lovers of God
    and Master do not pay heed to ritualistic books but
    inculcate the high truths revealed by the Perfect Masters.”
    The visitors then asked, “But why does man, although he
    desires to be good and honest, fail to be so?”
    And Baba replied, “Not one but many questions crop up in the
    mind and will go on cropping up. But there is only one way
    out, only one remedy: obey the Master. That will answer all
    your questions. That will lead you, guide you and make you
    understand what is in fact ununderstandable. Hafiz says:
    ‘Whatever the Master says, obey him without asking the why
    and the wherefore of it.'”
    HOW A MASTER WORKS, pp. 577-578, Ivy O. Duce
    Copyright 1975 Sufism Reoriented, Inc.

  117. Widespreadpanic7 October 30, 2012 at 11:17 am #

    The Insurance industry already got bailed out.
    The Hartford Insurance Group scammed $20 Billion. AIG Got $197 billion … and 3 weeks later threw themselves an awesome party in The Hamptons with some of the bailout money. There were Yachts, Bentleys, and esteemed partyers Helicoptered in from the tops of Manhattan Skyscrapers. The cuisine and Champaigne were top notch from what I understand. Rest assured everybody had an asskicking time.
    RipT and Oz2, hows it look? Much damage?

  118. Widespreadpanic7 October 30, 2012 at 11:20 am #


  119. burntdogg October 30, 2012 at 11:38 am #

    Browsing through my favorite conspiracy site looking for their take on the unfortunate weather disaster and I came across a post by a gentleman who works for the distribution company that supplies Walmarts, K-Marts, Targets and virtually every gas station in Penn, New York and New Jersey. They have not been able to deliver any goods (including milk and bread) since Monday morning.
    PP&L called all of it’s customer’s and told them to expect outages up to a week.
    A man fell asleep while driving and drove into the transformer. Guess what? It might be out for 3 days. Which means, Walmart’s in three states won’t have supplies. Target’s and K-marts aren’t excluded from that.
    The work I did on Friday, they didn’t even ship that for fear of the trailers getting stuck. So some NJ Walmart’s haven’t had supplies since Thursday.
    On a side note, I have a weird coincidence for you.
    At my girlfriends mom’s job, a man fell asleep while driving and hit their transformer as well. Gentex corporation. Strangely enough, Gentex manufactures military helmets, lenses, backpacks, and other clothes. So the military will be without clothes and Walmart without food.

  120. anti soak October 30, 2012 at 11:51 am #

    ‘badly disobeyed his Guru Neem Karoli Baba ‘
    How so?
    Zipuranna was the ‘dark little guy, sat naked on steps, smoking and throwing his smokes away’.

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  121. anti soak October 30, 2012 at 11:55 am #

    Free book:
    The Guru Darshan – Nityananda: The Living Tradition
    File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – Quick View
    Although Swami Muktananda traveled all over India and met several saints, it was Zipuranna who indicated that his Guru was none other than Bhagavan …
    You’ve visited this page 2 times. Last visit: 10/30/12
    Chapter-9 – Shree Samartha Ananda Lahiri
    Saints like Swami Samartha, Bhagavan Nityananda, Zipuranna etc never differentiated between stink and aroma, good and bad etc. They were free from

  122. anti soak October 30, 2012 at 11:57 am #

    In what context?
    Since when did climate not change with the weather?

  123. Casualty09 October 30, 2012 at 11:58 am #

    Barfy wrote:
    “The real story is the death of 4 of our fellow Americans in Benghazi. The lack of coverage by the broadcast networks, CBS, NBC and ABC or CNN is disgusting and these networks are adding to the guilt of this administration of leaving these men out there to die. I am surprised that these major networks are not on this 24 hours a day, as it is a huge story. But with 99% of the media biased and liberal, American lives means nothing if it means keeping their man in office. Thank God for Fox News.”
    How ’bout a little perspective? Under Bush 43 we invaded a country – Iraq – that posed no threat to the USA. We sent thousands of Americans in armor-less Humvees to become targets of jihadists and other assorted ne’er-do-wells, and when someone asked Secretary Rumsfeld about THAT (i.e., the military being poorly prepared for the task our neocon pols handed them), he shrugged it off and said “You go to war with the army you have.” How’s that for uncaring arrogance or a clearer statement that American lives mean nothing to the neocons?
    Whatever happened in Benghazi (and the picture is still murky, not surprisingly given the “fog of war”), the big difference is this: I haven’t heard President Obama or his Secretary of Defense or State say, with respect to the 4 Americans killed there, in effect, “Oh well – sucks to be them” – as Rumsfeld basically said when referring to the TENS OF THOUSANDS of Americans that he and his neocon wet-dreamers sent into harm’s way on a fool’s errand.
    And as for your comment that Romney/Ryan will be an improvement: about two-thirds of Romney’s foreign policy advisers come from the Bush 43 foreign policy team that dropped the ball on Bin Laden and Afghanistan and instead gave us Iraq. Dan Senor is apparently Romney’s chief adviser; he was a high-ranking assistant to Paul Bremer, who botched the immediate occupation of Iraq in a myriad of ways (in part because they wanted to attempt to remake Iraq into some free market Utopia to satisfy their party’s ideologues, rather than do the hard but actual work of governing in a war-torn “state” with internal divisions that had been held together under the iron fist of a strongman). All throughout this campaign you could can hear the Romney camp (at least up until Romney changed his tune somewhat at the final Presidential debate, apparently in an attempt to look less scary to Americans tired of a decade of war in the Middle East) beating the same war drums and chest-thumping on Iran.
    So yeah, thank God we have Fox News to parrot the neocons’ imperial fantasies and attack the President on everything that goes wrong. I can’t wait till President (“I got two deferments to avoid serving in Vietnam – even though I vocally supported that war – but I’ll be super-tough when I’m sending other people to die a la Dick Cheney”) Romney sends another couple hundred thousand troops to Iran, ill-prepared for the military or political mission, just like his ideological predecessor and neocon soulmates Dubya/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz did in Iraq. To Santayana’s famous maxim: “Those who are not aware of history are doomed to repeat it” add this corollary: “and those who get their history from watching Fox News will be too stupid to even appreciate that there were past mistakes that they’ve chosen to repeat.”

  124. Casualty09 October 30, 2012 at 12:13 pm #

    P4S: You asked for a progress report from some of the well-known NE posters. . . . I am not one of them, but I do reside in the Albany area (not too far from JHK – I’d guess about 50 miles to the South & West of his location). We managed quite well in spite of dire forecasts to the contrary. Lots of wind and a good amount of rain, but this morning we had sunshine and the area doesn’t seem to have been hit with widespread power outages like we had last year with Irene. It’s not over yet (it’s still windy and we may still get a good amount of rain from this storm system), but 150 miles north of NYC, things could be a LOT worse.

  125. asoka,, October 30, 2012 at 12:39 pm #

    I am blessed. I love Lord Krishna.
    Krishna is the original Lord, before all those other copycat “Lords.” A Sanskrit word in its origin language, K???a is primarily an adjective meaning “black” … Black is beautiful.

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  126. Radu Voda October 30, 2012 at 12:44 pm #

    It’s called a converstation. Did you ever ride a bus or train? And hear people talking without understand everything they were saying? It’s like that. It’s not strange since it wasn’t meant for you or for the whole blog, but only for the person I was talking to. This happens on blogs sometimes, I know it’s hard but that’s just the way it is. You have to be able to tell the difference. It’s an art. But someone who knew what we were talking about could chime in – so it’s not private per se. But you don’t know about this so you can’t play.
    It happens to everyone so don’t feel bad. Nothing whatsoever to do with the Tower of Babel – which of course is happening with all the immigrants and subcultures. One English Village has 100 languages spoken including English. Some people are actually foolish enough to think this is great.

  127. asoka,, October 30, 2012 at 12:44 pm #

    Jesus Christ was an incarnation of Lord Krishna. You can follow Jesus if you want, but for my money it’s best to go to the Source: Lord Krishna.

  128. asoka,, October 30, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

    Assalaamu alaikum!
    Allahu Akbar! (???? ????)

  129. Radu Voda October 30, 2012 at 12:47 pm #

    Ramakrishna, like most Hindus, looked down on dark skinned, flat nosed, low browed, aboriginal types.
    The dark skinned Dravidians are an ancient race of Caucasians very well adapted for their tropical environment. They are not the same as these “monkeys” – as described in the Ramayana. They had cities and high culture before the Aryans came in and conqured them.

  130. Radu Voda October 30, 2012 at 12:51 pm #

    So why don’t you follow his teachings about caste and sex? As He says in Bhagavad Gita, These distinctions are not arbitrary social division. They were made by Me.
    Everything you believe in is contrary to hierarchy and distinctions. Just like Ront, you are at war with manifest life – which is all about differences of species, sub species, and individuals. There is no affirmative action in Nature and there shouldn’t be in human society either. Like water, people must find their own level.

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  131. Radu Voda October 30, 2012 at 1:00 pm #

    You are right, but still it was horrible the way the Administration just watched them die. It speaks volumes about who they really are.
    Agree 100%: Rumsfield was and is a little creep bleating about conducting and economical war. And that the Army must make do. That went over like a lead balloon. Thank God a soldier spoke up about the shoddy equipment and how they were trying to armour their own vehicles, etc. One of the few real things to happen during that whole administration.
    One of the big reasons our military has been successful is that they have had great equipment -and not just because we “are Americans”. Sure the training and esprit de corps come into it, but the latter isn’t going to last if they are treated like expendables. I’m amazed so many quality men keep joining – the real battle is here at home. Iraq’s border, Afghanistan’ border, Israel’s border – what about our borders?

  132. Radu Voda October 30, 2012 at 1:08 pm #

    Just by going back to being Richard or Dick Alpert. He talks about going to a porn movie and being recognized by a hippy when he came out. The Hippy was saying “wow Ram Dass” and “cool” and what not. Then he asked what Ram Dass was doing and Ram Dass felt he had to tell him the truth. The hippy was crushed.
    This is how faith is destroyed – he wanted to be a spiritual leader without the responsibility and morality.
    I have a CD of him doing readings and meditations and Krishna Das chanting. I love Krisna Das’s kirtans, but I literally cannot listen to Ram Das’s voice – it is so utterly false in its fundamental quality. It’s not because he’s Jewish or anything – many seekers were and are because their religion is utterly bankrupt so they seek outside it. I have no problem with them on that – though most of them don’t change much when it comes to Israel and Zionism.

  133. LifeSupport October 30, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

    It bugs me that I keep seeing this storm referred to as a “once in a generation” event. Climate scientists have been saying for years that as global mean temperature increases, the frequency and severity of storms will increase correspondingly. It logically follows that a recalibration will be required in the way timescales are used to describe the severity of storms.
    What was a once-in-a-generation event for our grandchildren could become a once-in-a-decade event for our grandchildren; maybe even for us. I mean, how many “once in a generation” heat waves have we seen in like the last ten years? I see a rigidity in thinking here, one which does not bode well for our society’s ability to adapt.
    Long before maps will need to be redrawn to show coastlines pushed back by rising sea levels, those that show where “thousand-year floodplains” have become “hundred-year floodplains” (or whatever) will need updating. I predict a considerable amount of resistance to this (except perhaps among insurers).

  134. asoka,, October 30, 2012 at 1:12 pm #

    Jesus (if you want to believe he existed as an historical person) did not fulfill the messianic prophecies. Jesus FAIL, big time.
    What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish?
    The Bible says that he will build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28) and gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6) and usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease (we get to eat sweets, too). As the Bible says: “Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore.” (Isaiah 2:4)
    The true messiah will spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. Again, Jesus FAIL on the nondualistic unity thing. As it says in the Jewish scripture: “God will be King over all the world — on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One” (Zechariah 14:9).
    The historical fact is that no historical person, Jesus or otherwise, has ever fulfilled these messianic prophecies.
    OK, Vlad, I can hear you now saying that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming. No cigar. Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.
    Jesus FAIL. Big time. Even as a mythological being Jesus is pretty uninteresting and unimportant.
    Christianity has done great harm throughout human history with its doctrines of sin, its use of guilt to manipulate populations and its penchant toward violence. Jesus has loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword: His truth is marching on. And millions are getting stomped on in the process.

  135. Radu Voda October 30, 2012 at 1:15 pm #

    And when you love the Master, you must see him in all Beings and love them too. That means treating them with justice – in other words morality. And that includes the unborn. Piercing their skulls and sucking out their brains falls a little short, don’t you think?
    If a woman fails in her personal responsibility, and gets pregnant out of wedlock, then she must see it through to the end. After birth, she’s free to give it up for adoption. To resort to murder is monstrous and shows that women aren’t the paragons of morality they imagine themselves to be. They are enabled in this fantasy by countless men knows as “White Knights” – poor schmucks and also con artists trying to get into their pants or get their vote.

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  136. Radu Voda October 30, 2012 at 1:30 pm #

    We were talking about Krishna and your misunderstanding of His Teaching. We can talk about Christ and your misunderstanding of Him some other time.

  137. Radu Voda October 30, 2012 at 1:40 pm #

    People should feel guilty when they do something wrong. Blacks and women seem to have trouble with this. The Blacks who broke Reginald Denny’s skull weren’t remorseful. Al Sharpton still hasn’t apologized to the White Officers he slandered during the Tawana Brawley case.

  138. asoka.. October 30, 2012 at 1:43 pm #

    Radu, you are being played. Look at the punctuation that follows my name.
    Asoka,, and Asoka_ are impostors.
    My handle is Asoka..
    I don’t know which Asoka you thought you were replying to (there are so many of us!).
    The other Asoka’s are plagiarizing my previous posts: I love it!
    I don’t even have to post anymore.
    I am enjoying the divine play happening on CFN. My work is done.

  139. Radu Voda October 30, 2012 at 1:44 pm #

    The Country might be torn apart by this storm. The places hardest hit are all heavily Democratic and if they lose, may blame the storm for keeping voters away – and Republicans for refusing to postpone the election.

  140. Radu Voda October 30, 2012 at 1:57 pm #

    But his or her views are consistent with your’s and thus my argument is still valid. Like Krisna, you are expanding yourself. Each Gopi thought she had Krisna all to herself. And unlike the tulpas, or projections of yogis – each expanision was fully Krishna just as the Eucharest is Christ all in all in every altar in the world.

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  141. Scotty October 30, 2012 at 2:27 pm #

    Radu, see my comment above forecasting the election results with Sandy factored in. Low turnout due to the storm would only be an issue in very close battleground states in which a statistically significant drop in primarily Democratic turnout could swing the election to the GOP (Dems, for a variety of reasons, being a bit more vulnerable to fluctuations of turnout due to weather than GOPers). However, that is not the case here. All of the states most affected by Sandy are solidly blue this election. Even PA is blue enough that there would have to be a very large drop in Dem turnout to swing it to the GOP. VA is tighter and more of a toss-up but suffered far fewer lasting damaging effects from Sandy. So, even if overall turnout (and particularly Dem turnout) in the most heavily affected states drops due to Sandy’s impact and aftermath, Obama should still win all of those states in the Electoral College (and, most likely, the election). What COULD happen, though, is that Romney could win the national popular vote thanks to a drop in turnout in the blue Northeast and his big margins in the red South. Of course, the rules state that the winner of the EC is all that really matters, but the a “split” decision like I just described would undoubtedly unleash a GOP fury storm on a par with Sandy herself.

  142. Benr October 30, 2012 at 2:36 pm #

    here here a society that throws human lives away as trash and wants to kill what would be fully functional human is a sick society.
    Next comes the elderly death squads like Logans run and murdering children up to age three calling it after birth abortions.
    One need only read works like John P Holdrens ecoscience Obamas science czar to understand what a death cult the elite of society really are.
    Leftist cultures typically resort to culling those who they deem of less worth or different opinions.
    To all those that think the planet is over populated please start fixing the problem by exiting stage left first.
    Sick disgusting globalist scum.

  143. Radu Voda October 30, 2012 at 2:39 pm #

    Blacks use Twitter to organize looting parties during hurricane.

  144. Radu Voda October 30, 2012 at 2:46 pm #

    Sounds right. Changing the subject: ever think that the colors are wrong? Red is obviously the color of Leftism. And Blue is a cool Conservative color. In fact, the colors of the board used to be as I describe. Then they were reversed? Why? To mind fuck with people of course. The Tavistock Institute in England specializes in this kind of thing.
    The fury if the Left is denied will be far worse -large scale Black rioting with the White Anti Fa, the Poor, and Hispanics joining in. Blacks have already threatened to riot on Twitter.

  145. Scotty October 30, 2012 at 2:47 pm #

    Um, I beg to differ, but I think straight white men in this country have had the most trouble of any group admitting and apologizing for their wrongdoing and mistreatment of others over the centuries. In fact, they almost always have to be dragged kicking and screaming to acknowledge it, and even then often find roundabout or backdoor ways to keep acting badly and mistreating others, and sustaining their social advantages. And, of course, they have by FAR the most to feel ashamed and guilty of. Look at the South’s treatment of blacks after the Civil War and the abolishment of slavery for a prime example. Another great example is the Wall Street shenanigans that led to the 2007-2008 crash and our current economic doldrums. There was fraud, trickery, manipulation, and theft on a gigantic scale, that very badly affected tens of millions of people in America alone, and it was almost entirely orchestrated by white men (with a few token women and people of color thrown in for effect). As JHK as pointed out tirelessly on this blog, not only have they not been punished for this horrid misbehavior, but they’ve actually been REWARDED for it!
    Against that, you’re actually going to toss out the Reginald Denny and Tawana Brawley cases to “demonstrate” how blacks and women–all of them collectively, I’m left to guess–can never admit they were wrong, regret their actions, and apologize for them? Seriously? As worthy of condemnation as those cases are on an individual level, they’re very small potatoes in the grand scheme of things. Oh, and BTW, did the white police officers who beat Rodney King savagely for no good reason, or the all-white jurors who acquitted them (you know, the triggering event for the riots in which Reginald Denny was beaten), ever admit wrongdoing and apologize for their actions? I don’t recall that ever happening. So much for your pet theory.

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  146. Scotty October 30, 2012 at 2:55 pm #

    Infowars is far from a reputable source, Radu, and you’ve yet again exposed yourself as a conspiracist loon.

  147. Radu Voda October 30, 2012 at 3:04 pm #

    Right – it’s only logical. Professor Peter Kreeft of Boston College finally convinced two very vocal female students that killing a fetus is no different than killing a newborn. They told him at the end of the semsester that he was right – and that they now approved of the “Mother’s” right to kill newborns.
    So Women get to choose life and death; who’s a person and who isn’t. Well that’s what they think – with the power of the State behind them. The idiots will be amazed when the State starts deciding this against their will. And why not? If Fathers have no rights, Mothers don’t either. And if you give your power away to a powerful ally, you may not be able to get it back once that ally is an ally no longer.

  148. Radu Voda October 30, 2012 at 3:06 pm #

    So they just made up the tweets? Face it, Blacks have rioted and looted before, and they will again. In New Orleans, Black police officers abandoned their posts to flee – or join in the looting themselves.
    Scotty you’re a clown.

  149. Radu Voda October 30, 2012 at 3:09 pm #

    Blacks rampaged against the disarmed Whites after the Civil War. Rapes were a daily occurence – and the Union soldiers laughed at the Southern Whites who asked for justice. So they fought back – and won with the help of good men from the North who saw what was happening.

  150. Scotty October 30, 2012 at 3:16 pm #

    Yeah, the color scheme is ass backwards in the US, as compared to most of the rest of the West. This has a pretty good history:
    As for large-scale rioting by blacks, Latinos, and the poor if Romney wins on November 6? I seriously doubt it. There might be a few isolated incidents, but nothing coordinated or large-scale. I’m not saying there wouldn’t be anger, but I very much doubt that it will result in widespread violence. And, those groups generally don’t have the power to force the issue constitutionally if, for instance, Romney were to win the EC and Obama win the popular vote. Bitterly angry right-wingers and GOPers, backed by their billionaire friends, however, DO have the power to force a constitutional crisis if Obama wins the EC and Romney takes the popular vote. If that is the actual result, I’d bet good money that a crisis will be deliberately manufactured that will paralyze our government even more than it already is.

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  151. Scotty October 30, 2012 at 3:26 pm #

    Radu, you’re obviously a racist and misogynist and have a truly warped understanding of history. AS IF the only reason the KKK was born was because blacks were rampaging through the South raping white women and the Union soldiers laughed about it! Get a grip, man. You sound like you just came from a screening of Griffith’s Birth of a Nation. Anyway, I’m done with you, and I’m also just about done with this blog’s comments section. There are a handful of reasonable, intelligent, and insightful comments sprinkled throughout, but the rest is so much religious nuttery, conspiracist twaddle, and bigoted right-wing political bloviating that it’s hard to stomach. I’ll tell you what though–it serves as a perfect illustration of why this society is circling the drain! That’s likely why JHK doesn’t even bother to moderate or participate–what better to illustrate his various points than a lengthy and unadulterated display of delusional and bigoted American ignorance after each of his columns?

  152. asoka.. October 30, 2012 at 3:27 pm #

    just as the Eucharist is Christ all in all in every altar in the world.
    Yes, literally! Literally the body of Christ! Literally the blood of Christ! Thanks to the miracle of transubstantiation, through the Eucharist the Christian cannibals are kept happy.

  153. Scotty October 30, 2012 at 3:30 pm #

    Good point, LifeSupport. Global climate change is going to force us to recalibrate our expectations of the “normal”.

  154. Radu Voda October 30, 2012 at 3:36 pm #

    White Men aren’t perfect, either individually or collectively. But face it: we built this Civilization. Black helped just like an ass or a mule could, but no more. Of course, the Blacks wer wronged by bringing them here, but letting them destroy our civilization is just another wrong. Lincoln, Jefferson, et al admitted the wrong doing and asserted the remedy was to send them back to Africa before they adulterated our gene pool or started killing us like they did to the Whites in Haiti.
    Only a small number of Whites owned slaves and many Whites died defeating slavery. But all Whites are blamed collectively for it. Another wrong was the wrong done to poor Whites who had to compete with the Black slaves in labor. And no one cares to remember the brutal system of indentured servitude in which Whites did the heaviest jobs in order for the Masters to get their money’s worth out of them. Indeed, in the Carribean, most Whites didn’t live out their term. And also there were real White slaves there as well – often guarded by Blacks.
    Now when was the last time a Black thanked a Northern White for the efforts of his fore fathers to free his people? Meanwhile in some areas Black on Black slavery continues in Africa. Our oh so virtuous Black Mau Maus and their White Enablers don’t seem to care about that at all. Only when Whites are involved do they care at. So they don’t love Blacks so much as they hate Whites. The Black Man has much pride but little love you see. And their White Enablers hate their own people and love those who don’t love them.

  155. asoka.. October 30, 2012 at 3:38 pm #

    Al Gore was ridiculed when he spoke of New York City under water by 2050. 2050 came in 2012. Global warming is real. Or, as Gov. Cuomo said to Obama: “We are having once in a century storms every two years now.”

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  156. Scotty October 30, 2012 at 3:42 pm #

    “A near-death experience happens when quantum substances which form the soul leave the nervous system and enter the universe at large, according to a remarkable theory proposed by two eminent scientists.
    According to this idea, consciousness is a program for a quantum computer in the brain which can persist in the universe even after death, explaining the perceptions of those who have near-death experiences.”
    Right, just like the quanta that make up MS Word or PowerPoint persist in the universe even in the absence of computer hardware and software, and electricity.
    The presence of the phrase “quantum substances which form the soul” should have been your first clue that you’re dealing with pseudoscientific gibberish rather than an actual scientific hypothesis worthy of discussion.

  157. asoka.. October 30, 2012 at 3:44 pm #

    Black brains gave rise to hundreds of inventions that made your so-called “civilization” possible. For example, a fireman\oilman on the Michigan Central Railroad, Elijah McCoy was responsible for shoveling coal to keep the locomotive running and for ensuring that the train was well lubricated. He walked alongside the train, applying oil to the axles and bearings every few miles. To improve efficiency and eliminate the frequent stopping, he developed a “lubricating cup” in 1872 that automatically dripped oil when and where needed. The “lubricating cup” was so popular that orders for it came in from railroad companies nationwide. Other inventors tried to sell their own versions of the device, but most companies preferred “the real McCoy,” ‘giving rise to the popular American expression meaning the ‘real thing.’
    Through Black brains, Black brawn, Black inventions, and Black technology, Blacks built the USA. White brains did not.

  158. Scotty October 30, 2012 at 3:47 pm #

    “I have been watching everything I can in the media about Hurricane Sandy and I haven’t heard anyone yet mention the words “climate change”.
    I can’t help wondering just how many times we gotta get whacked around the head by these kind of storms before someone mentions ‘climate change’?”
    Maybe when energy companies stop spending millions of dollars advertising in the MSM?

  159. Radu Voda October 30, 2012 at 3:48 pm #

    Einstein was very interested in the theory of the Eucharest, seeing it as a particle free from the chains of relativity.
    I find the body and blood part a little strange I must admit. Does Christ still have a body like our’s? I prefer Luther’s expalantion of it as being Christ’s Essence better.

  160. asoka.. October 30, 2012 at 3:52 pm #

    Black inventor Granville T. Woods began work in a machine shop at age 10 and studied electrical and mechanical engineering from 1876 to 1878. Woods received his first patent in 1884 for a steam boiler furnace. In 1885 he invented a system called telegraphony, which allowed telegraph lines to carry voice signals. In 1887 he patented the induction telegraph for sending messages to and from moving trains. Other inventions for electric railways included electromechanical and electromagnetic brakes, a wheeled trolley for drawing power for streetcars from an overhead wires and a safety cutout to prevent injury from accidental contact with overhead wires. In 1890, with his brother, Lyates, he also patented emergency braking systems.
    Transportation, communication, civilization, etc. Through Black brains, Black brawn, Black inventions, and Black technology, Blacks built the USA. White brains did not do so alone. It takes a village to raise a civilization.

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  161. asoka.. October 30, 2012 at 4:01 pm #

    I prefer Luther’s expalantion of it as being Christ’s Essence better.
    So you want to be a Christian, but you are picking and choosing what parts of Christian doctrine and Christian scripture you “prefer”? What a wuss! Man up and be a Christian, if you can. Eat the Body of Christ! Drink the Blood of Christ! They are the “essence” of Christ. Don’t shy away from Christian cannibalism.

  162. asoka,, October 30, 2012 at 4:02 pm #

    And then there was George Washington Carver. Can you imagine having that much passion for the peanut?

  163. anti soak October 30, 2012 at 4:03 pm #

    ‘I’ll tell you what though–it serves as a perfect illustration of why this society is circling the drain!
    The fact is White [or once mostly White Countries]
    are finished due to third world immigration.
    How old are you?
    Are you in the USA?
    How many people did the USA have in 1965?

  164. anti soak October 30, 2012 at 4:05 pm #

    And then he also bought a home on the coast!
    He is a fraud.

  165. anti soak October 30, 2012 at 4:07 pm #

    I suspect Radu /Vlad was born elsewhere, not in the USA.

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  166. asoka,, October 30, 2012 at 4:10 pm #

    And then there was George Washington Carver. Can you imagine having that much passion for the peanut?

  167. asoka.. October 30, 2012 at 4:16 pm #

    You are a racist idiot, you Asoka imposter, whoever you are. George Washington Carver is best known for developing crop rotation methods that alternated nitrate-producing legumes, such as peanuts and peas with cotton, which depletes soil of its nutrients. Following Carver’s lead, southern farmers soon began planting peanuts one year and cotton the next. While many of the peanuts were used to feed livestock, large surpluses quickly developed. Carver then developed more than 300 different uses for the extra peanuts, from cooking oil to printer’s ink. When he discovered that the sweet potato and the pecan also enriched depleted soils, Carver found more than 100 uses for sweet potatoes and about 75 for pecans, including synthetic rubber and material for paving highways.
    Transportation, communication, agriculture, etc. Through Black brains, Black brawn, Black inventions, and Black technology, Blacks built the USA. White brains did not do so alone. It takes a village to raise a civilization.

  168. asoka.. October 30, 2012 at 4:31 pm #

    It wasn’t exactly on the coast. It was a ways away from the coast. It had a “Peekaboo ocean view” means you can see the ocean if you stand on a chair and look out the kitchen window.

  169. asoka.. October 30, 2012 at 5:16 pm #

    I am voting for Jill Stein this November for the same reason I was arrested with other Occupy demonstrators in front of Goldman Sachs. I do not want to be complicit in systems of corporate power, systems that if left unchallenged will doom the future for my children and your children.
    As I recently wrote about in my endorsement of Jill Stein, it’s not about us anymore. It is all about protecting the planet for future generations. I urge you to join me in voting for a candidate who seeks to protect our eco-system and who represents the concerns of working and poor people.
    We must combat the corporate state through small and large acts of defiance. We have a moral obligation to stand up and say no. By stepping outside the two party charade, by saying that we will not remain passive as the ecosystem is destroyed and the global economy reconfigured into a world of masters and serfs, we assert our independence, our dignity and ultimately our power.

  170. asoka.. October 30, 2012 at 5:21 pm #

    Want less government? Are you sure?
    Why not give it a try in one of the countries without government, like Haiti, or Somalia. Report back to CFN how less government works out for them.
    Big storms require big government. States, many of which have trouble balancing their budgets, could not manage an extra $20 BILLION in damages. Big federal government can. We need more taxes, more spending, more big government.

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  171. asoka.. October 30, 2012 at 5:25 pm #

    We need more taxes on the rich, more non-defense spending, and mo’ better big government.

  172. asoka.. October 30, 2012 at 5:58 pm #

    NEW YORK — The price of gasoline fell Tuesday after Hurricane Sandy left a wide swath of flooding, power outages and disrupted transportation in the eastern U.S.
    The national average for a gallon of regular fell by about a penny, to $3.53. That’s more than 11 cents lower than a week ago. Gasoline futures fell 3 cents to end at $2.73 a gallon.

  173. Radu Voda October 30, 2012 at 6:15 pm #

    See Scotty, Kdog, Xhalor, Zoned One – see the results of your pandering and enablement? Not harmony but arrogance and presumption. We didn’t build our own civilization now – that’s how desperate they are to be us since they are so little in themselves. Some straighten their hair or dye it, some use blue contact lenses, some adopt our mannerisms, this BSer peddles textbook frauds perpetrated by Affirmative Action industry. Go here for more on Fake Black inventions including the Fake McCoy.

  174. asoka.. October 30, 2012 at 6:17 pm #

    Eating Meat is Unsustainable
    Eating Meat = Apocalyptoween

  175. Radu Voda October 30, 2012 at 6:19 pm #

    Haiti still hasn’t cleaned up from the earthquake two years ago – at all hardly. Lots of people still living in tents. Now imagine a million Germans or Swiss going to live there. They’d make it into a paradise in one generation. Imagine the opposite – all Haitians going to live in Germany or Switzerland. They’d all be dead from the cold or starvation within a decade.
    Everything comes down to human quality. Blood will tell in the end.

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  176. Radu Voda October 30, 2012 at 6:27 pm #

    You’ll know once you leave your body, be it during life or at the time of death. This neurosurgeon was in a coma for a week and now believes in life after death since he’s seen it.
    If you know any doctors or nurses, ask them. People talking about seeing what was going on during an opearation and being able to confirm things they have no way of knowing is common. It is not talked about due the intense taboo about it though. Give a couple of drinks to loosen their tongues…

  177. asoka.. October 30, 2012 at 6:27 pm #

    some adopt our mannerisms
    Critically adopting certain memes happens across many different cultures and is a good thing for global dissemination of cultural ideas, and benefits everyone. Know what I’m sayin’? We would be stupid if we did not adopt from other cultures, preserving our own, of course. A salad, not a melting pot.

  178. progress4spam October 30, 2012 at 6:41 pm #

    Ah, wonderful –
    Another bigoted know..it..all nitwit joins the CFN thread and begins to share his knowledge of ALL ABSOLUTE TRUTH of the UNIVERSE.
    Here is the curriculum vitae of the gentlemen who proposes the idea which I linked.
    “Professor Emeritus, Departments of Anesthesiology and Psychology,
    Director, Center for Consciousness Studies
    The University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona”
    Scotty, I have no real knowledge of your curriculum vitae. However, you prove yourself quite well qualified for:
    Director, Center for Small-Mindedness
    Professor Emeritus of Shallow Thinking

  179. asoka.. October 30, 2012 at 6:43 pm #

    He concludes that “heaven is real.”
    Which heaven? Did he arrive at the Pure Land heaven? Or were there bashful, dark-eyed virgins awaiting him, like in the Islamic paradise? Was it a Zoroastrian heaven? He didn’t mention singing and rejoicing before God, which is characteristic of the Christian heaven.
    Eastern religions don’t really have notions of heaven like those in the West. Too bad he didn’t use his coma time to discover that this world of appearances is in fact illusory. What is real is Brahman, the ultimate reality that transcends our sensory experiences. He has not escaped his ignorance. He has not realized that ultimately you are not you but Brahman itself. No moksha for the neurosurgeon!

  180. cameta October 30, 2012 at 6:46 pm #

    Hello from Catalonia,
    I’m Catalan and the Spain’s government does not want to invest in any railway infrastructure and is leaving us to our fate.

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  181. progress4spam October 30, 2012 at 7:02 pm #

    I am truly sorry. (and welcome the the discussion thread, btw.)
    American-style growth at all costs multicultural capitalism – has infected most of the World.*
    Certainly it has infected all of the world that has any resources or human capital worth exploiting.
    Sorry it has spread to wonderful old Spain.
    You deserved better.
    *And please keep in mind that many – perhaps most – Americans were never in favor of this madness,

  182. beantown bill October 30, 2012 at 7:13 pm #

    Welcome to CFN.
    I believe the world is being pulled in 2 opposite directions: one by globalists who want one-world government, and one in which balkanization will occur.
    Therefore, I’m curious as to your opinion on the probability that Catalonia will sucessfully break away from Spain.

  183. beantown bill October 30, 2012 at 7:24 pm #

    Here in the Boston area, we had just a windy, rainy day, no problems on the scale of NYC. Areas along the coast, right by the ocean did get battered somewhat, but these areas always get battered during storms.
    I did stock up on a few items, but basically I felt that the more the media hyped the storm, the less chance that it would impact me. The MSM overdid it, IMO.
    As I just said, the shoreline always gets beat up, so that was no surprise. What caught my attention was the very low barometric pressure, which drove a large storm surge.

  184. beantown bill October 30, 2012 at 7:26 pm #

    OOPS, sorry Procon, my post was supposed to be directed to Cameta.

  185. progress4spam October 30, 2012 at 7:54 pm #

    No problem, bill.
    And I’m glad you came through the storm OK.
    Which endpoint do you think is better, global or balkanized, btw.?
    Myself, I think the term “balkanization” is a bit severe.
    But I would prefer that to a global government.
    For one thing, I think that aglobal govt. would come down – hard and forever, on the US and especially on my gender, age, and ethnic group.
    Furthermore, I prefer the GENUINE diversity and resilience that can presently be found in the present “nations” that are being degraded by the forces of globalism.
    That’s my opinion. What’s yours?

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  186. beantown bill October 30, 2012 at 8:12 pm #

    I agree with you. I’d rather have regional governments in ascension than an overweening single, all-encompassing authority.
    Many smaller nations could ideally foster healthy competition, whereas a one-world government, in a universe where absolute power corrupts absolutely, would eventually enslave us all to its wishes, IMO.

  187. progress4spam October 30, 2012 at 8:20 pm #

    So, benr, you must intend to be the match to the Resident Excessive..Poster, we see.
    Except from the opposite side of the political spectrum from the RI.
    You argue:
    “To all those that think the planet is over populated please start fixing the problem by exiting stage left first.
    Sick disgusting globalist scum.” -benr-
    You ignore the fact that “globalist scum” are chiefly responsible for the planet’s overpopulation, first of all.
    When it’s really the Religious Nuts (especially the Catholic Church, imo) that is most responsible.
    But anyway, asoka..who very much favors abortion, likes to argue that anyone in the US who has a child has no right to address overpopulation due to immigration INSIDE of the US, without being a hypocrite.
    Which is amazing.
    No one has ever beaten asoka..for illogic.
    Because you argue that all who even “think that the planet is overpopulated” should KILL themselves (“exit stage left”?) before expressing the thought.
    Doctrinaire much?

  188. neckflames October 30, 2012 at 8:56 pm #

    This was actually a very funny line from one of the better Seinfeld episodes. A tongue-in-cheek line to be sure but certainly not racist. Do a search on it and you might find it funny yourself.
    So what makes this poster a “racist idiot”? Is not this an ad hominem attack, the type you are so sensitive about yourself?
    This poster is having some fun spoofing you, nothing more. You do come across most of the time as unusually self=absorbed and you have a rather inflated view of yourself.
    So someone is spoofing you, big deal. You’re probably the easiest poster here at CFN to be made fun of. Deal with it.

  189. Radu Voda October 30, 2012 at 8:56 pm #

    Behold the Mighty Englishman,
    He rules the Hindoo small.
    It is because for he eats meat,
    That he is two cubits tall.
    Should be chanted in Sun Ra fashion.

  190. asoka.. October 30, 2012 at 9:46 pm #

    You’re probably the easiest poster here at CFN to be made fun of.

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  191. queenie October 30, 2012 at 10:07 pm #

    It seems that human nature favors the small, neighborly groups over the big-world types.
    Right now, Scotland is close to becoming its own nation once again. (Wonder if the UK will still be called the UK?)
    When we vacationed on the Spanish riviera, the TV always identified itself as TV Catalonia – though Catalan may be more similar to Spanish than Gaelic is to English, the feeling toward the bigger country are similar. If the Czek’s and Slovaks could do it…

  192. beantown bill October 30, 2012 at 10:32 pm #

    I’ve heard that Wales might also want to be independent.

  193. radonee9s October 30, 2012 at 10:44 pm #

    and Videotape

    It’s a great place to get help with your writing or just lose yourself in nearly a half-million pieces from over a decade in existence. People come here to contribute and read fiction, nonfiction, poetry, reviews, or their thoughts on the day. If you’d like to give feedback, offer a correction, or contribute your own work, sign up!

    My brother, my sister and I have been going to Melbourne about once a year to visit our grandparents for as long as I can remember. Their house is like a time capsule from the 70s: a television with no remote control, shag carpet, Corduroy upholstery and a cupboard full of vinyls. Every year it’s the same: I fly down there, Grandpa wants to shake my hand but I hug him, Grandma stares up at me and says, “either you’re still growing or I’ve started shrinking!” We talk and talk for about two days, and soon after that Grandpa gets sick of having guests, so he is argumentative for a few days, and then we go home. In the year that I was about 14 or 15 I went on my own, and one evening we were watching The Shipping News on their tiny old TV.

    I don’t remember much of the film, but I remember the sex scene vividly. Kevin Spacey had just met his soon-to-be-wife, and she was viciously riding him as he laid there looking frightened. She suddenly finished and from her handbag pulled out a little cake, like a lamington. She took a bite, said that she was always hungry after sex, and shoved the other half of it into his face, saying, “nibble nibble, little mouse.” He nibbled, like a mouse.

    I was still doing my best to look uninterested and show absolutely no signs of arousal, waiting for it to be over so we could all get on with our lives. The tension was like holding my hand in the fire, and my grandma said in her tiny old voice, as if she were talking about an injured child, “Oh, that poor, poor man.”

  194. cartier4q October 30, 2012 at 11:56 pm #

    The Gift of Gold

    Percy Marsden set the pistol down on the arm of the chair and poured another generous glass of Scotch, spilling some but not caring. As he put the bottle back on the table, the shower upstairs shuddered off. He looked up at the ceiling and imagined his wife’s progress from the shower to her make-up table.

    JoAnn turned heads, with or without make-up, with or without clothes, come to that, as too many men knew. Percy drank and brooded about how long their marriage had been a sham. Wouldn’t matter in a while.

    Finally, after thirty minutes more of drinking and brooding, he heard her high heels on the stairs, and he put his glass down, picked up the pistol and focused on the doorway. He gulped in several breaths and put the barrel of the pistol in his mouth.

    She would stop, look in the room and gape as she figured out what he was about to do. That would give her an image to mull over, something to go with the gift he was giving her and Daddy.

    But she passed by in a blur — dark hair, light blue sundress, tan leather shoulder bag — and Percy sat, staring at the empty doorway, until the metal taste of the pistol registered and he gagged and pulled it out of his mouth. His head dropped and he tried to spit out the taste.

  195. bretiling4x October 31, 2012 at 12:29 am #

    Quality Marketing With Promotional Clothing

    Promotional clothing has really broadened the marketing possibilities of giveaway and “loyalty” items thanks to a hike in quality that allows companies to align public perception of their brand with classy work and attention to detail. Where customers and clients are given the option to own and even buy well made company clothing, they are more likely not just to accept the item in question but to use it and that of course spreads the word about the company to a much wider Audience.

    Promotional bags carry the same kind of cachet. Now that companies are able to source high quality luggage with specific design intentions sports bags; casual bags; laptop bags they know they can give their staff and clients items that will really get used. And as soon as promotional clothing and bags are used, you as a company are looking at hundreds of mobile advertising boards, all walking around with your logo and message on them.

    There a subliminal reinforcement that comes with the ownership and use of higher quality promotional items. If you see someone wearing a good quality polo shirt or sweatshirt, or carrying a well made bag, you make a subconscious positive assessment of his or her taste. Your assessment of the company, whose logo appears on that shirt, or that bag, is similarly positive. You can see that the company that has sourced the promotional bags and clothing you are looking at cares about what people think of it.

    The versatile nature of modern promotional clothing heightens its advertising potential too. Wherever a company has a direct connection between its market and the kinds of clothing it gives out as promotional items, it is able to attract the attention of a targeted group of potential future customers. Computer and software companies, for example, can adorn laptop bags with their logos and slogans. The kind of person who notices a laptop bag is often the kind of person who would use the products and services provided by a computer company. So putting your name or logo on a laptop bag, as a computer company, allows you to bias your advertising effect towards the people you are really trying to reach.

    The same is true of promotional clothing. Work wear is an ideal case in point. On the job, logo work wear allows your customers to quickly recognise employees. It ensures that customers seeking service are quickly able to find what they want.

    Potential customers may see your work wear on its way to and from a job. If you as a potential customer are in the market for having a driveway built, or getting work done in the garden, and you see someone wearing obvious work clothes, you pay attention to the name and number written on the back.

    Both promotional bags and promotional clothing fall into the category of useful items things that your clients and customers, as well as your staff, are likely to use when they are given them. That makes them worth every penny of your advertising spend, as guaranteed mobile marketing.

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  196. ak October 31, 2012 at 1:28 am #

    In case any of you are wondering what the above, non-sequitur posts (with no links) are all about, just point at the poster’s name and your ‘status bar’ (in the bottom left of most browsers) will show the poster-name-link points to the following (less the dot-invalid part I added)


    Not the sharpest tool in the shed, I’m afraid.
    So, if you come across a poster name that doesn’t look right (and is a link), just point at it and check the status bar. You will know what to skip.
    (If you’re adventurous and would like to know what’s on those websites, I recommend doing it while on Linux or MacOS, as those OS’s are less susceptible to various hijacks and viruses [L., slimy liquid, poison, stench])

  197. anon y'mouse October 31, 2012 at 1:50 am #

    there is no better proof that the loonies are running the joint than this comment thread when most of the prime posters appear to be bailing out their foyers and de-sandbagging their garages while the three chuckleheads battle it out over who will win the NWO.

  198. asoka.. October 31, 2012 at 2:07 am #

    But Gandhi won that battle, forcing the British Raj to meet its demands using Satyagraha.
    Dust to dust,
    Ashes to ashes,
    Into her grave
    The Great Queen dashes.
    Gandhi changed the history of the colonized world and, indeed, of the way vast human affairs are conducted. The vegetarian was ultimately victorious.

  199. rolexx2b October 31, 2012 at 2:25 am #

    Stop my messenger bag from sliding down

    Can you add some of that grippy rubber stuff to the shoulder strap? The extra friction at the shoulder might be the key to keep from it from sliding. Extra friction on the back might be overcome by the bounces, jiggles, and body movement inherent in cycling. (Which what I assume “riding” means; your not in the pony express, right?)

    posted by Fuzzy Skinner at 9:47 AM on October 4, 2008

    Some backpacks have somewhat tacky material on the inside of the waist belt to prevent it from sliding down. Perhaps ask your friendly neighborhood outdoor shop? Until then, the best thing to do is to shorten up the main strap. If the bag sits higher on your back, it’ll be less likely to slide down into your armpit.

    posted by harkin banks at 9:59 AM on October 4, 2008

    I do wear it quite high up; I think if I cinch it further I will be unable to breathe. :o) The outdoor store suggestion is a good one.

    posted by everichon at 10:00 AM on October 4, 2008

    Timbuk2 themselves make an extra-grippy shoulder strap pad. I’ve never used one myself, but it seems like it might be good for your purposes.

    posted by box at 10:46 AM on October 4, 2008

    posted by ddaavviidd at 10:47 AM on October 4, 2008

    You need a sternum strap. It attaches to both shoulder strap anchor points and goes around your waist/chest area in front to cinch it tightly. They’re usually also removeable and do double-duty as a tie-down (I last used mine to keep a fork/stem/handlebar assembly tied into my bag on a ride home from the LBS).

    I don’t know why a “messenger” bag would come without one.

    posted by kcm at 10:59 AM on October 4, 2008

    You need a sternum strap

    It came with one. I’ve not wanted to use it, for simplicity’s sake, though my resolve is weakening.

    posted by everichon at 11:09 AM on October 4, 2008

    I commute to work with a laptop bag that did this until I lengthened the strap so the bag was lower on my back. Once I got it below both my shoulder blades, it stopped bouncing around so much (and it would always slip after a bounce). It stays put now that I’ve got the strap let out so far the bag sits over my kidneys while I’m riding.

  200. Stephen Daedalus October 31, 2012 at 2:39 am #

    In my area, the price jumped 25cents on news the super storm was forming and going to hit the east coast. It wasn’t just Sandy but also the merging of other storm systems coming from the n/west that created this calamity. Also, average price reports are based on data collected from the previous 2 weeks, not what is going on at this moment. Sandy’s impact on prices are yet to follow.

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  201. asoka.. October 31, 2012 at 2:49 am #

    CNBC — Gasoline prices are likely to keep falling, after Super Storm Sandy shut down highways and air travel across the East Coast.
    “We’re not going to see prices move higher because of this storm. We’re going to see prices move lower,” said Tom Kloza, oil analyst at OPIS. RBOB gasoline futures were down a half percent, at $2.62 per gallon in afternoon trading Tuesday.
    Gasoline at the pump continued to decline, with the national average for unleaded regular $3.53, a penny lower than Monday and 11 cents cheaper than a week ago.
    Kloza and others said gasoline could move higher in the short term but the dynamic favors lower prices.
    “My guess is we’ll have 20 to 25 states that will have prices below where they were a year ago,” he said. “It could be in the $3.40s (a gallon) by next week. There’s a huge swatch of the country that’s going to be get closer to $3.”

  202. Stephen Daedalus October 31, 2012 at 2:57 am #

    Touche Radu. I concede your point. You were in a semi-private conversation with someone else who understands Hindu gawdism. Only those whose who understand it properly can really get it. Then you complain that others in their language are the problem. Which side of Babel are you on? James Joyce, Monty Python, John Lennon, 8M?

  203. Widespreadpanic7 October 31, 2012 at 7:34 am #

    Coastal Connecticut, where I spent a good part of late summer/early autumn, got hit hard. Here 40 miles inland not too bad, ‘specially compared to the snowstorm exactly 1 year ago. But it looks like parts of lower Manhattan and Queens are in real trouble and might not recover for awhile, if ever. I notice some Gas lines ’round here, something I haven’t seen for a long time.
    Leaves from the Oak and Maple trees on my property are pretty look at for few weeks in October, but cleaning them up is a real time consuming chore. I used the old method of a rake and a tarp. What really gets me are these backpack leaf blowers that look like a WW2 flamethrower and sound like a F-4 taking off from an Aircraft Carrier. Goddam things! You can hear running them from miles away! Some towns have banned them. I wish we would here.
    Cameta, if you’re looking in, welcome to CFN. I mentioned to my wife, who is from San Sebastian near the Pyrenees, about the what you said about the possible breakup of Spain. We hadn’t heard about it, and did a little research. Its seems its true. Having had relatives who served on both sides during the Spanish Civil War, she thought that all that was in the past, was a sad thing, and doubts Madrid will lt Catalonia go so easily. We had States who tried the same thing here, and the results, for them, were catastrophic.

  204. rippedthunder October 31, 2012 at 10:17 am #

    Mornin’ WSP7, up in these parts the storm was a flop. some wind, maybe 35 mph max,and 1/4 inch of rain. I didn’t even lose a branch. Last Halloweens blizzard culled all the weak stuff for me. The wind did blow most of the leaves off the lawn which is actually a good thing. My wife was PO’d that she didn’t even get a day off from work! Nobody lost power in the valley that I know of but up in the hills where O3 is they had more wind and some tree damage I believe.

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  205. eud2e5s7 October 31, 2012 at 10:37 am #


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  206. Widespreadpanic7 October 31, 2012 at 11:05 am #

    Hey Rip stopped up at Cambridge last week … downed a few. Then the Bike wouldn’t start. Called my wife; she said find your own goddam way home. So I got a ride from a guy who works at Smith & Wesson in Westfield, lives in Avon. Had to drive back up and wrestle that MC onto the bed of my pickup. ‘Beaner’ wasn’t working.
    Same here with the Storm. Haven’t heard from 03, maybe no power.
    We ought to meet up at Cambridge some time. Not too far for 03 either, is it?

  207. cameta October 31, 2012 at 11:06 am #

    If it is very possible we get independence since Spain concentrates all its resources in the capital and used only to Catalonia as a colony in which levy taxes.
    We do not feel Spanish because Spain hates Catalonia.

  208. asoka.. October 31, 2012 at 2:29 pm #

    Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein has been arrested again.
    Jill Stein was just arrested while delivering supplies to Tar Sands Blockade activists in Texas. Read why she went there and what happened by clicking here. Dr. Stein is still being held in the Wood County Jail. Activists fighting for a safer, healthier planet are heroes. Not criminals.
    The real criminals are fossil fuel CEOs plundering our world to maximize short-term profits, and the politicians who enable them. We must reach out to the millions of people that have had enough that there is a candidate standing with working and poor people and fighting for the next generations.
    Vote Jill Stein, Green Party.

  209. asoka.. October 31, 2012 at 2:30 pm #

    Read why Jill Stein is in jail again by clicking here.

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  210. asoka.. October 31, 2012 at 2:37 pm #

    If we vote to elect Dr. Jill Stein as our country’s first Green Party president, they will let her out of jail before her presidential inauguration.

  211. Funzel October 31, 2012 at 7:35 pm #

    By the way,has the guy that makes us mess with our clocks,watches etc TWICE a year,been killed yet ,or is there still the opportunity to kick that bastard in the ass forceful enough to raise him off the ground at least 2 feet????

  212. Funzel October 31, 2012 at 7:50 pm #

    People,has it ever occurred to you that the biggest polluters(corporate,)are still running around loose,putting greed before human needs.That’s why wee need strict laws and enforcements to put this murdering bunch out of business.Every CEO or business owner needs to attend a 3 year course in that field,mandatory,no hanky panky.Even a certified plumber needs to go to learn about his trade,so,how come not the corporate misfits???

  213. ront October 31, 2012 at 7:50 pm #

    I came across these three quotes today and I felt that posters here might find them relatable.
    “I’ve learned one thing–people who know the least anyways seem to know it the loudest.” Cartoonist Al Capp
    “The conventional view serves to protect us from the painful job of thinking.” John Kenneth Galbraith
    “A person without a sense of humor is like a wagon without springs. It’s jolted by every pebble in the road.” Henry Ward Beecher

  214. anti soak October 31, 2012 at 8:22 pm #

    ‘ I remember your Grand Guru, Swami Tapovan of the Jyotir Math is mentioned as being met by Baba.
    Whats Jyotir math? and where?
    Swami Tapovan? who is he?
    Which Baba do you mean? [being met by Baba.]
    O inscrutable one.

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  215. Goat1080 October 31, 2012 at 9:18 pm #

    Sands in the Northeast, knocking out the power to millions of people, dogs, cats, etc. This is the perennial problem always the power getting knocked out by wind and falling trees.
    Isn’t it about time the power companies suck up and put the power lines underground – all of them – major transmission lines and all. It would really save a lot of hassles every time a tree (or ten thousand trees) falls.
    The obvious place is under the road. The right of way is already there and manholes at regular intervals will allow for access for maintenance.
    Still they just keep re-stringing those wires on those flimsy poles next to trees. Wow.

  216. Goat1080 October 31, 2012 at 9:21 pm #

    Curious why the first word in my entry “Sandy” got changed to “Sands” after I posted – there’s a bug in this blog software? This stuff has happened before… Oh well – must be due to Peak Oil or something…

  217. asoka.. October 31, 2012 at 11:09 pm #

    The Politics of Tiny Houses
    Discusses mandatory consumption laws, building codes, safety laws, zoning, voluntary simplicity (extreme downsizing), architectural, planning, and constitutional issues related to laws requiring us to live in excess.
    The average American house consumes and pollutes… even LEED homes, due to their excessive size. A 6,000 sq. ft. home for one person can receive a platinum LEED certification: extreme waste legalized, and supposedly “green”.

  218. asoka.. October 31, 2012 at 11:34 pm #

    11 Excellent Reasons Not to Vote?

  219. IxNoMor November 1, 2012 at 12:12 am #

    “11 Excellent Reasons Not to Vote?”
    Electronic voting booths are *rigged*?!? Leave it to *SOKER* to give *ADVISE*…

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  220. asoka.. November 1, 2012 at 12:25 am #

    Advise is a verb. You have used it incorrectly.
    ** In memory of Qshtik, may the peace of Allah be upon him.

  221. asoka,, November 1, 2012 at 10:18 am #

    NEW YORK (Reuters) – Companies added 158,000 jobs in October in the biggest gain in eight months, data from a payrolls processor showed on Thursday in a revamped report on the private sector labor market.
    The historical data for the ADP National Employment Report was revised as part of the new methodology, which was used for the first time in the October report. September’s increase has halved to 88,200 new jobs from an initially reported 162,000.
    October’s increase was the biggest jump since February and topped economists’ forecasts for a gain of 135,000 jobs.
    Economists often refer to the ADP report to fine-tune their expectations for the nonfarm payrolls report due on Friday, though it is not always accurate in predicting the outcome. The overhaul is meant to bring ADP’s numbers more in line with the government’s final revised jobs figures.
    “I think markets have already begun to be quite wary of ADP’s lack of predictability. I think that’s exactly what’s driving some of these revisions,” said Bricklin Dwyer, economist at BNP Paribas.
    “We’ve been surprised by some of the magnitudes of the increases or decreases in ADP before and they have not suggested such significant changes in nonfarm payrolls.”
    The closely watched nonfarm payrolls report is expected to show employment picked up in October, but not enough to prevent the unemployment rate from rising off a near four-year low.
    U.S. stock index futures saw little impact from the data with Wall Street looking at a flat open in the aftermath of the massive storm that hit the U.S. northeast. The dollar rose to a session high against the yen.
    Recession, excuse me, DEPRESSION anyone?

  222. asoka.. November 1, 2012 at 11:28 am #

    Thank you, asoka,,
    whoever you are asoka comma comma.
    Asoka period period

  223. Widespreadpanic7 November 1, 2012 at 11:39 am #

    Hey Asoka a gain of 135,000 jobs in a month doesn’t amount to shit and you know it. 150,000 immigrants, legal and illegal, are still arriving each month. Its a net loss.
    Round here in the insurance industry American IT workers are required to train IT workers from India, who get paid less … then they get laid off.
    Goat, power lines buried underground don’t last long, ‘specially in unstable or wet ground. Plus they are hard to get at and repair when something inevitably goes wrong. That’s why they’re still hanging on poles.

  224. anti soak November 1, 2012 at 12:02 pm #

    Seems this site reached ‘Peak Blog’ and is dying.

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  225. Goat1080 November 1, 2012 at 12:11 pm #

    That’s why I suggested placing the underground power lines under the roadways – they will be protected by the road gradient, accessible via manholes and the right-of-way already exists. Yeah, they will have to “tear up” the roads to put in the cables and conduits but since most roads need work anyway, nothing lost…

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  227. progress4spam November 1, 2012 at 12:28 pm #

    May be, antisoak.
    What do you think is mostly killing it?

  228. progress4spam November 1, 2012 at 12:34 pm #

    “150,000 immigrants, legal and illegal, are still arriving each month. Its a net loss.” wsp
    Dong, dong, dong.
    The Bell of Truth and Doom rings – slowly and sadly – for WSP7.
    Any suggestions on waking up the citizenry and our growth-addicted “leaders?”

  229. Radu Voda November 1, 2012 at 1:20 pm #

    In other words, you have no defence to the charges laid at your feet. Al Capp and the Giants, huh? Where’s Baba now? You have abandoned him.

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  230. Radu Voda November 1, 2012 at 1:24 pm #

    So the only converstations allowable in public are those which everyone understands? Farewell culture, science, personal life…
    Shame on you for your espousal of the lowest common denominator which is another word for Communism. Oh and “gawd”? Sickening.

  231. budizwiser November 1, 2012 at 1:34 pm #

    As the “long emergency” continues – patterns perpetuated by the “status grow” will make at a few people think about the divergence of the news media and their own reality.
    The freakish storm – no matter how big or why – has effectively lessened the standard of living of thousands – most likely for the rest of their lives.
    I kind of think this is the way “it” will go. Nature will eventually step in and re-allocate resources regardless of human inspired social engineering.
    The only subjects to argue are years-long time-frames and the size of things that will go “bump in the night.”

  232. Radu Voda November 1, 2012 at 1:43 pm #

    I couldn’t get on yesterday. My memory may be playing a trick on me – who’s was the Hindu teacher you sat with and called “impressive”? If it’s the one I’m thinking of, Swami Tapovan was his Guru. Forget the jyotir math part. Swami Tapovan lived in the Himlalyas at the Gangrotri. He descended to lower ground during the winter.
    In the lists of the sadhus Meher Baba met, Swami Tapovan was listed as an advanced pilgrim or Salik, as opposed to a “Mast” or God Mad.

  233. Radu Voda November 1, 2012 at 1:46 pm #

    Yes, it will take alot of work but anything is better than what we have now – especially if the climate really is getting worse. Many New Yorkers are going to be in the cold and dark until Nov 10. What if this had happened in January and temperatures were in the 20’s?

  234. Radu Voda November 1, 2012 at 1:53 pm #

    Yes, same thing as in New Orleans – how much will get rebuilt? The Goverment doesn’t have the money to rebuild everyone’s home, and insurance companies may not be able to either. The rubber hits the road here: the Goverment didn’t build these cities, people built their houses there because they were good places to live. The Goverment cannot and has no obligation to rebuild what it didn’t build in the first place.
    Then who is to blame? No one. Or Nature who does what She wills. I mean building so close to the water guarantess that someday the water will take your home. It just hasn’t happened much on the East Coast lately.

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  235. ront November 1, 2012 at 2:07 pm #

    Troll elsewhere.

  236. rippedthunder November 1, 2012 at 2:23 pm #

    Hay Radu, I think you have it all wrong about the government not having money to rebuild. “Helicopter Ben” is going to fly over the people and toss out bags of cash. After all what’s another $50,000,000,000.00 when you are already $16,500,000,000,000.00 in the red, won’t matter a bit. Actually I think this is a huge job creation program. Do you realize how many people will be put to work rebuilding, not to mention the loggers and other people who need to make the materials. I think Obama used the governments hurricane machine located in the Bermuda Triangle to whip this up and send it to the most populated place he could find. We all know Bush and Cheney had the machine built so they could send Katrina crashing into N’Orlens so they could drive the black folk out.

  237. asoka.. November 1, 2012 at 2:24 pm #

    Thank God for Fox News. I am looking forward to Romney and Ryan winning in 8 days…
    I have some bad news for you, barfy barf barf. Karl Rove efforts have been in vain. The millions of dollars from SuperPACs have been in vain. The Citizens United decision has been in vain. The voter suppression attempts have been in vain. Nothing Republicans have tried has succeeded.
    Obama continues to hold the lead in the vast majority of polls in Iowa, Nevada, Ohio and Wisconsin, the states that represent his path of least resistance toward winning the Electoral College. This was particularly apparent on Wednesday, a day when there were a remarkable number of polls, 22, released in the battleground states, showing Obama’s lead is holding.
    Oh, in the only poll that really counts: the actual votes cast, Obama is leading by a wide margin in the 17% of votes cast in early voting also, including those in the military. The soldiers, sailors, and marines in the military love Obama.

  238. Radu Voda November 1, 2012 at 2:40 pm #

    Furthermore, you are avoiding relationship again -love endures conflict.
    Face it, your Liberal, Democratic values are inconsistent with the words of Meher Baba – and the values communicated by those words.

  239. Radu Voda November 1, 2012 at 2:41 pm #

    Is this Love? Is this Baba or the Jew Al Capp?

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  240. asoka.. November 1, 2012 at 2:42 pm #

    Hey Asoka a gain of 135,000 jobs in a month doesn’t amount to shit and you know it. 150,000 immigrants, legal and illegal, are still arriving each month. Its a net loss.
    WSP7, you sound like you have a negative view of immigration, perhaps an anti-immigrant bias. You sound anti-American. America is a nation of immigrants. Always has been. Immigrants are job creators. They are entrepreneurs. They create businesses and create jobs for the communities where they live. It has always been that way. Immigrants should be welcomed.

    Contrary to many who assume Latino immigrants just take away American jobs, Hispanic immigrants have played an important role in helping to revive small U.S. towns. While many come to find work, they often create the positions themselves, opening up new restaurants, storefronts, and services that line small-town Main Streets. Big cities are no different. In fact, almost half of New York City’s small businesses are immigrant-run. The report finds that immigrant entrepreneurs often have a distinct advantage due their ability to understand and work within both the United States and their home countries, allowing them to appeal not only to immigrant communities within the U.S. but also to export markets back home. Due in part to these benefits (as well as geography), Mexican immigrants have taken the entrepreneurial lead, starting more new companies (in sheer number) than any other immigrant group. On average Hispanic-run enterprises are small, though 16 percent employ between one and twenty employees (similar to 21 percent of non-immigrant-run small businesses).


  241. progress4spam November 1, 2012 at 2:55 pm #

    Perhaps now would be a good time to review the three, and only three, categories of reasons to be in favor of high rates of immigration into the United States:
    1. More Growth is always good
    2. Moral platitudes
    3. More Diversity is always good
    Since 1 and 3 are demonstrably false, most appeals by the pro-population-growth-due-to-high-US-immigration-forces –
    Usually include some reference to emotion, from reason # 2.
    We are, after all and including Native Americans, a Nation of Immigrants.
    Thus we in the US drift and fill up – one more useless lifeboat at the scene of population disaster.

  242. asoka.. November 1, 2012 at 3:07 pm #

    I welcome all immigrants, with or without documents, legal or “illegal” because they contribute to making America a better place. Even though initially there has always been resistance to new immigrants:
    On arrival in America, the Irish people encountered new struggles. The American people had kept old prejudices alive and these included prejudices against the Irish.
    After the 1850s, Polish immigration to the United States (and elsewhere) increased. The Polish community was long the subject of anti-Polish sentiment in America.
    Mexicans, Chinese, Muslims, etc. … they all contribute positively to America … and they have all been vehemently opposed throughout American history.
    Besides being entrepreneurs and job creators, immigrants are also lovers. It’s still the same old story, a fight for love and glory, a case of do or die, and the world will always welcome lovers, as time goes by.

  243. asoka.. November 1, 2012 at 3:10 pm #

    1. More Jobs are always good
    2. Moral principles are good
    3. More Diversity is always good
    I agree with the above Procon. That is what immigrants contribute to the USA. Thanks!

  244. asoka.. November 1, 2012 at 3:17 pm #

    Thus we in the US drift and fill up – one more useless lifeboat at the scene of population disaster.
    Such self-condemnation is rare. I congratulate you for condemning your own ZPG-style two-children- replacement reproduction rationalization.
    You, too, have contributed to helping fill up the USA. You, too, have contributed to the world population disaster by adding to the population in a country that consumes much more than the rest of the world.

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  245. asoka.. November 1, 2012 at 3:27 pm #

    In Ohio, the “Ohio Poll” conducted by the University of Cincinnati, which uses live interviewers to reach voters on both landline and mobile phones, gives Obama a 2 percentage point advantage (48 percent to 46 percent). That brings the total number of polls conducted in Ohio in the last week to 11; using a wide variety of different methods, all but one gave Obama the advantage, ranging from 1 point to 5 points.
    No Republican candidate who loses Ohio has ever won the Presidency.
    Regardless of what the MSM want you to believe (that the election is close, that it is tied, that it is a horse race), the reality is Obama is ahead, and has been for the last few months.
    Though Obama’s lead diminished after the first debate, Romney’s momentum has been stopped, and Obama has never lost the lead. Obama is firmly in the lead, and always has been. I don’t think that is going to change in the next few days.

  246. progress4spam November 1, 2012 at 3:49 pm #

    I” congratulate you for condemning your own ZPG-style two-children- replacement reproduction rationalization.”
    -the resident impediment, twisting the words of another poster to the complete opposite meaning-
    RI, as I’ve told you too many times – I’m actually pretty proud of my 2 kids – and of the fact that I had only two. That’s legitimate ZPG (actually slightly negative population growth, mathematically – do the math)
    Absent immigration, the US would have stabilized at 200,000,000+/-. And we could now lead the world into a better, and more sustainable future, which would include ZPG, here and around the world.
    It is evident that you oppose that, of course.
    That’s why you always shill for continued growth of the US, economically and otherwise – whether you intend to or not.
    Because that is the one huge and overriding effect of US immigration.
    Now, I do condemn you for being the Resident Impediment to this CFN thread.
    And I condemn myself for wasting time dealing with your blather and obfuscation.
    Talking with you is something like a man hitting his thumb repeatedly with a hammer.
    Because it feels good when he finally stops.

  247. 8man November 1, 2012 at 4:27 pm #

    The Future …
    The myth of the future, the myth of destiny, you could have done this or that, if only, if only you did this you would be that or in another place, situation, whatever, etc. This myth is at the basis of all of the problems people force themselves to have (the logical mental problems a Man Brain forces itself to have according to models of cause and effect and control when 99 % of what happens is out of any control at all) the goal, the target, the success reached according to some model or whatever, but the truth is the future doesn’t exist, it is not some metaphysical destiny that you could have achieved or should have achieved, the sequence of events that occur mostly just happen with no goal or control or model in mind, no matter how hard you try to control or force things to go in certain ways (the myth of science and finding out why and then how to control the future and such). So if the future doesn’t exist and is random and without any control, then it isn’t a model, there is nothing to regret or nothing to be sad about since you didn’t reach the future you wanted, the future never existed in the first place if only as a figment of the imagination as a utopia as an imagined place that should have and could have been so and so and you could have reached it: nothing further from the truth, there is no future, there is no model, there is no control, there is no metaphysical external future waiting to be reached according to your effort and responsibility and such (but you are forced to think in these terms and force yourself to constantly fail because you didn’t reach the fairy land, etc.).
    But this is due to the cause and effect and logical model of the world that works so well in so many instances, becoming a mental jail, everything is logical and under control but this control is an illusion, when you least expect it it will deny all of your intentions and hopes and models and since you can’t accept that the model of the future was false and impossible to reach, since any and all futures are a wild guess, you blame yourself, you blame some logical consequence, you blame some control you missed, some bad choice you made (or all of the people stuff, she said, she did, he did, all of the family, emotional, career crap and such and blame him or her and lawyers and fights and politics etc.) and such.
    But just like god cannot be proven to exist or not exist, the question is in an eternal limbo, and just like it is impossible to pinpoint down what is relative and what is absolute, the same thing happens with all of the narrative of a life, how much control did you have, what could you have done, why didn’t that great future occur, who is to blame, what bad choice I made (or someone else made, hence blame him or it or them, etc. and fight and wars and conflicts), if only, if only I could go back and such, it can never be known, it is just suggested, to torture you, to torture your mind with regret and killed hopes and bad choices and with future effort, a lot of effort to reach a future that is and will always be impossible to reach because it doesn’t exist anywhere, it only exists the moment it occurs and only for a picosecond only to disappear again and remain in your memory (to keep on torturing you with its imaginary reality, when there is no reality behind anything that has happened, there is no past, another figment of the imagination, the past is just a random collection of bits in your memory in your man brain…), and what occurs moment by moment is so totally random and quirky and without any substance, reality, only a metaphysical invention that worrying about it, planning it, regretting it, projecting future goals is a joke on the mind always, is a joke to torture the mind that will always lose this chess game against god.
    But exactly because so many things work and are logical, we are full of perfect machines, perfect programs (like computer programs, predicting and controlling events in the future so perfectly) that we are fooled and induced into thinking that this control and projected future is real and possible and if something good doesn’t happen it is our fault since we didn’t control or predict well enough and such, and we must regret a bad choice, a bad sequence of events we could have controlled and such. Nothing further from the truth, we can control a lot of things but only up to the point that random events and forces allow us to go, then pure nothing and randomness and pure blind chance will decide for us but leave us tortured and always finding something that should have been but didn’t come to be, something or someone to blame, even yourself, mostly yourself, and some further study and investigation, and further research and science to allow us to control something that doesn’t exist and will never exist, namely the future, the ghost of an imagined future that can be reached by imagined controls but always a total falsification of reality, as reality doesn’t exist, models don’t exist, we are constantly being taken for a ride by god, physics, (and the huge success we have ha in controlling a lot of things, but not everything and that is where we always fail) the principles of non contradiction, the identity principles always making us believe in this crap of logic and control and prediction only to hose you when you least expect it etc.
    Like the news and newspapers TV, some new catastrophe to worry about, (some new challenges some new bad news to torture you, some new problem, some new threats, constant threats all over the place on any issue) you have to take sides and win or lose, always new news and new problems and new frustration and new impossible problems to solve and such, there is always something new to torture you, some new conflict, some new problem, the entire idea of problems means that there are solutions, but this is false, almost all problems are without any solution since they can only be solved politically, by social consent, but no two people will ever agree on anything, as man is conflict, fight, is conflicting will powers always and such…
    Like Global Warming: it can’t be demonstrated precisely (because the laws of physics make believe they are precise but they are a hoax, the three body problem can’t be solved, hence there are no laws of physics to start with), but it is a possibility, it is suggested that we are wrecking the climate, hence something or someone to blame for the NYC storm and such…
    Always these undecided situations, everything is a joke on us, does god exist yes or no ? did you control your future and are you to blame for what happened yes or no ? did you kill the climate by driving yes or no ? and so forth, all undecided, all suggested: the truth is all of these problems aren’t problems in the first place because they have no solutions to begin with (or impossible solutions like the whole world stops industrial production and car driving and such, totally insane solutions), they are false problems so don’t think about anything anymore, who cares what happens, we are hosed anyways in the end, the future doesn’t exist, the past doesn’t exist, what happens is pure blind chance, and I am not feeling very well myself anyways…
    The future as some external picture outside waiting to happen (or as things happened as we wished but we can’t have a part in that imaginary movie), the picture as something that exists and is real, there is no external picture or metaphysical place where the events are playing out as we imagine, there is no future …
    I AM THE OVERMAN (as imagined by Frank Zappa).
    12-21-2012 12:1212121212 …. pm THE END IS NEAR
    As in Free Physics…
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  248. asoka.. November 1, 2012 at 4:32 pm #

    And I condemn myself for wasting time dealing with your blather and obfuscation.
    I provide facts and statistics. You call it blather and obfuscation. Who is the resident impediment?

  249. 8man November 1, 2012 at 4:35 pm #


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  250. Radu Voda November 1, 2012 at 5:18 pm #

    At least FDR did useful things with his Monopoly Money – and employed at lot of lost young men. What has Obama done in this regard?

  251. asoka.. November 1, 2012 at 5:40 pm #

    GOP Senators Block Obama Jobs Bill
    Washington (CNN) — Senate Republicans on Thursday blocked the No.1 item on the president’s congressional “to-do-list,” refusing to allow a vote on a bill that would give tax breaks for companies that “insource” jobs to the U.S. from overseas while eliminating tax deductions for companies that move jobs abroad.

  252. asoka.. November 1, 2012 at 6:01 pm #

    The New York Times reported on Thursday that Senate Republicans applied pressure to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service (CRS) in September, successfully persuading it to withdraw a report finding that lowering marginal tax rates for the wealthiest Americans had no effect on economic growth or job creation.
    “The pressure applied to the research service comes amid a broader Republican effort to raise questions about research and statistics that were once trusted as nonpartisan and apolitical,” the Times reported. Democrats in Congress, however, have resurfaced the report and published it in full. It can be read below.
    Republicans told the Times they had issues with the tone, wording and scope of the report, but they clearly objected most strongly to its findings, which undermine the governing fiscal philosophy of the party, that tax cuts for the wealthy will spur growth and benefit everybody.

  253. asoka.. November 1, 2012 at 6:05 pm #

    It can be read here: Taxes and the Economy

  254. asoka.. November 1, 2012 at 6:09 pm #

    We have 65 years of evidence that the Republican trickle down theory, based on cutting taxes on the rich, does not work.
    Throughout the late-1940s and 1950s, the top marginal tax rate was typically above 90%; today it
    is 35%. Additionally, the top capital gains tax rate was 25% in the 1950s and 1960s, 35% in the
    1970s; today it is 15%. The real GDP growth rate averaged 4.2% and real per capita GDP increased annually by 2.4% in the 1950s. In the 2000s, the average real GDP growth rate was 1.7% and real per capita GDP increased annually by less than 1%.
    If anything the Bush tax cuts have torpedoed our economy, bringing it to a grinding halt.

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  255. Barfy Barf November 1, 2012 at 7:50 pm #

    Romney will win by a landslide. That’s just the facts, no spin on it. Now, if you want some spin, then maybe Romney can learn from the current President and blame President Bush (43) for everything that goes wrong.

  256. asoka.. November 1, 2012 at 8:03 pm #

    Barfy barf, let’s talk next Thursday. We might have a better idea by then.

  257. Barfy Barf November 1, 2012 at 8:08 pm #

    I am actually a Ron Paul supporter and sad to see he didn’t even get a real shot — pushed out by the establishment. I do want Romney to win as I feel this group is too far left, not that I want any group too far right either. If we can agree on anything, it’s that the country is a mess. As for the specifics of what messes are out there, well, we probably don’t line up in full agreement.

  258. asoka.. November 1, 2012 at 8:20 pm #

    Con Edison is marshaling resources from near and far to conduct the largest customer restoration in its history. The company has commitments from more than 1,600 external contractors and mutual aid workers from as far west as California. Most of these contractor and mutual aid crews have already arrived and the rest are expected to arrive in the next few days. Crews specialize in tree cutting, repairing overhead lines and underground equipment, as well damage assessments.
    That is what America does in crisis. People cooperate. Neighbor helps neighbor. There is no degeneration into a race war as Vlad thinks. Unprecedented collaboration with help being sent from all over the country is what happens. Most people are not involved in looting. Any incidents of looting are isolated incidents, not widespread. Most people are involved in helping each other in the emergency. That is our nature.

  259. progress4spam November 1, 2012 at 8:47 pm #

    “Who is the resident impediment?”
    Well, let’s see, by analyzing your CFN posts for today, asoka…
    1. Who refused to respond to the facts of WSP7’s concerns about immigration and job growth?
    And who instead accused WSP of being “anti-immigrant???”
    (isn’t calling someone “anti-immigrant” almost exactly like calling someone “racist?”
    Answer to #1:
    Asoka..the Resident Impediment.
    2. Who twisted the words of a poster (P4S) so that an honest family planning decision for Zero Population Growth, made in the 1980’s – became a “condemnation” in asoka..speak??
    Answer to #2.
    Asoka..the Resident Impediment.
    3. Who continues to post one “Positive” Obama “Factoid” after another “Positive” Obama “Factoid”
    over, and over, and over, and over – endlessly?
    Despite the fact that he claims to support the Green Party and not the Dem. Party???
    Answer to # 3.
    Asoka..the Resident Impediment.

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  260. progress4spam November 1, 2012 at 8:56 pm #

    OK, one more –
    Con Ed has “….commitments from more than 1,600 external contractors and mutual aid workers from as far west as California.” -asoka-
    4. Who signs on to a peak oil blog to say that a bunch of $20.00++/hour employees – moving coast to coast to NY, and burning millions of gallons of finite fossil fuel in the process –
    is an example of “Unprecedented collaboration,” which we in the US would be able and willing to do WITHOUT fossil fuel?
    Answer to # 4:
    Well, you all see the pattern, right??

  261. Stephen Daedalus November 1, 2012 at 9:15 pm #

    I think you missed the point. You are the one complaining about the destruction of the West from outsiders. Yet, you continue to espouse the values from gods that are not of the West. You continue to speak in a language we do not understand. It’s all Greek to me. Calling me a communist was cheap by the way. I am not in a fight with your ideas, but if you can’t get your point across, then why should we believe anything else you have to say.

  262. eud2e5s7 November 1, 2012 at 9:20 pm #

    Der Keeper von Deportivo La Coru?a brachte das Kunststück im Punktspiel bei UD Almería fertig und sicherte seinem Club damit ein 1:1-Remis. Der Ausgleichstreffer gelang dem Torwart am Sonntagabend nach einem Eckball in der fünften Minute der Nachspielzeit.

    Zuvor hatten sich in der Primera División Torhüter nur bei Elfmetern als Torschützen hervorgetan, aber nie in einer Spielsituation. Vor elf Jahren hatte der Keeper Jacques Songo?o ebenfalls für La Coru?a ein Kopfballtor erzielt, das vom Schiedsrichter aber wegen Foulspiels nicht anerkannt wurde.

    Der Torwart des FC Barcelona, Victor Valdés, wird dem spanischen Meister wegen einer Kapselverletzung im linken Knie vorerst fehlen. Der Club machte am Montag keine Angaben darüber, wie lange die Zwangspause dauern wird. Nach Presseberichten dürfte Valdés voraussichtlich zwei bis vier Wochen ausfallen.

  263. progress4spam November 1, 2012 at 10:05 pm #

    “If kindness and comfort are, as I suspect, the results of an energy surplus, then, as the supply contracts, we could be expected to start fighting once again like cats in a sack.”
    —George Monbiot

  264. asoka.. November 1, 2012 at 10:59 pm #

    And who instead accused WSP of being “anti-immigrant???
    You need to read more carefully. What I said to WSP7, in a detailed response with facts and sources cited, is that he “sounds” like he is anti-immigrant. That is different from accusing. WSP7 chose not to respond to me. You always chose to respond and your cooperation is appreciated.

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  265. asoka.. November 1, 2012 at 11:20 pm #

    Who signs on to a peak oil blog to say…
    Who says this is a “peak oil blog”? The title is “Clusterfuck Nation: Comment on Current Events.” Peak oil is one of many factors affecting current events.

  266. asoka.. November 1, 2012 at 11:46 pm #

    Who continues to post one “Positive” Obama “Factoid” after another “Positive” Obama “Factoid”
    Procon, I still have some respects for facts and based on all available public polls, which give Obama 50 percent of the vote in Nevada and Wisconsin and 49 percent in Iowa and Ohio, if an incumbent will do “a percentage point or so” better on Election Day than in his final poll averages, as Karl Rove argued, Obama is on the verge of locking up electoral votes he needs to win.

  267. progress4spam November 1, 2012 at 11:55 pm #

    “with facts and sources cited, is that he “sounds” like he is anti-immigrant” -the RI-
    That’s very nuanced of you a….
    Do I “sound” anti-immigrant, too?
    You certainly “sound” like the Impediment that
    you are.
    And your “facts and sources cited” always lead to more growth for the United States in many areas:
    1. Population
    2. Economic vitality
    3. Military Strength
    You have Unintended Consequence, as one of your Multitudes.
    Do you not?
    The number of people who can be loved by another living human on Earth –
    Is FINITE. and relatively small, BTW.

  268. asoka.. November 2, 2012 at 12:08 am #

    If kindness and comfort are, as I suspect, the results of an energy surplus…
    So, people in pre-fossil fuel eras did not live comfortably? People in pre-fossil fuel eras did not practice kindness? Those assertions don’t even pass minimal tests of historical analysis.
    When someone starts out with “as I suspect” they are telling you it is their own opinion they are offering, not anything fact-based.
    Thanks for playing though.
    Oh, and Tripp better beware. When he becomes free of fossil-fuels and achieves off the grid status, Monbiot suspects Tripp will become meaner and not live comfortably. LOL!

  269. asoka.. November 2, 2012 at 12:11 am #

    The number of people who can be loved by another living human on Earth –
    Is FINITE.
    I have never said otherwise. What I have said, and will repeat for your benefit is:
    There is no limit to the number of people we can love.
    The operative word is “we” (plural), as a collective 6 billion people, not “by another living human” (singular). I explained that to Mudd Mike. Your reading comprehension skills appear to be lacking.

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  270. asoka.. November 2, 2012 at 12:25 am #

    your “facts and sources cited” always lead to more growth for the United States in many areas:
    1. Population
    2. Economic vitality
    3. Military Strength
    There are serious accusations you are making and they are unfounded. Military Strength?
    We deserve real leadership on international affairs, and that’s why I’m supporting Jill Stein for president. We must cut our military budget by 50% — not increase secret programs using faulty technology and bad intelligence to kill innocent people.
    As the U.N. Human Rights Council launches an investigation in drone strikes, President Obama keeps ordering more attacks. We deserve better.
    Ben Emerson, U.N. special rapporteur on counterterrorism and human rights said:
    “The Obama administration continues to formally adopt the position that it will neither confirm nor deny the existence of the drone program. .?.?. In reality, the administration is holding its finger in the dam of public accountability.”
    There’s an anti-Obama factoid for you. I call attention to it because you don’t seem to notice my anti-Obama posts.

  271. progress4spam November 2, 2012 at 12:54 am #

    “I have never said otherwise.”
    -RI, in response to the finiteness of love-
    Yes, asoka..did say otherwise – REPEATEDLY and SPECIFICALLY.
    You hear this, BustinJ, and anyone else who cares.
    Which is probably a finite and VERY small number of CFN posters.
    It was always correct that individual human love is finite – and asoka..now admits he was deliberately obfuscating the point.
    Now – maybe asoka..will quit obfuscating the point about the central importance of high immigration rates to continued US economic GROWTH and military dominance.
    You won’t have one without the other.
    Will you?

  272. asoka.. November 2, 2012 at 1:09 am #

    You hear this, BustinJ, and anyone else who cares.
    Nobody cares. It is your private battle with Asoka.
    Asoka has never said there is no limit to the number of people a single living human being can love. He has REPEATEDLY and SPECIFICALLY said:
    There is no limit to the number of people we can love. And that is a true statement.

  273. neckflames November 2, 2012 at 1:12 am #

    Why do you waste time with this guy? He’s not here to further any kind of understanding; he’s here to show you he’s right. Even though he doesn’t succeed at that except perhaps in his own mind. (Asoka – a legend in his own mind) He’s basically a puffed up nitwit.
    Other than that, everyone, I would like to recommend the book entitled “The Kunstlercast”. It is a synopsis of the many Kunstlercasts done with Duncan Crary. I’m not big on sitting around listening to podcasts so I appreciated his effort to edit them into what was an enjoyable and informative read.

  274. Radu Voda November 2, 2012 at 1:15 am #

    Your radical Atheism is at odds with all Cultures including this one.
    There is only One God, but the ways to Him are as many as the lives of men. The main paths, associated with Cultures and Nations, are called religions. And yes, Christianity is somewhat at odds with the Faustian Genius of the West. The ancient Aryan religion of Persia and India is somewhat closer in its higher forms….

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  275. ferreari6e November 2, 2012 at 1:21 am #

    but I love spending time in NYC. I ventured into The Village (yes.
    The best way to kill fleas is with a fogger since they are not just living in your carpet – they are also in your furniture, you should be all set; flea eggs should have hatched within the week. Chantilly started inspired Lady out of profound life changing experience. again, he kindles in them, Therefore, They are an outgoing couple that reside in the cheese steak capital of the world, He is in a fraternity and I a member of a woman organization and the National Urban League Was the wedding proposal a surprise? you could hold the area with the candle wax at a level and horizontal manner, scissors or too-sharp objects.
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  276. neckflames November 2, 2012 at 1:23 am #

    Quote for the week:
    “The refusal of King George III to allow the colonies to operate an honest money system, which freed the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators was probably the prime cause of the revolution.”
    -Benjamin Franklin
    We certainly don’t have an honest money system now.
    Something will have to give.

  277. asoka.. November 2, 2012 at 2:13 am #

    he’s here to show you he’s right.
    You are correct. I am not here to show you I am wrong. I am here to show you I am right. Just like back in 2008 when CFNers were saying Obama didn’t have a chance; the country wasn’t ready for a Black president, and I said Obama would be elected. I was right. Not because I made a lucky guess, but because I made reasoned arguments (not just offering opinions (like “We certainly don’t have an honest money system now”) and I provided evidence to back up my statements, just as I did today with the 22 polls in swing states showing Obama’s lead in increasing over Romney. And I have every right to continue to be here and continue to offer facts, statistics, and reasoned arguments backed by credible and authoritative sources. A statement of opinion (“he’s a puffed up nitwit”) without anything to back it up is irrelevant. I’m just glad you are reading and responding. I’m glad Procon is reading and responding. That kind of attention to my posts and the fact that y’all take the time to respond… why it just makes me puff up! NOT!

  278. asoka.. November 2, 2012 at 2:21 am #

    “The constitution only guarantees the American people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.
    –Benjamin Franklin
    Bitching about the money system and how “honest” it is … is barkin’ up the wrong tree.

  279. asoka.. November 2, 2012 at 3:54 am #

    Incidentally, happiness research has determined that cultivating happiness is a skill, no different from learning to play the violin or learning to play golf.
    The formula for happiness is not the same for everyone. But the good news is that the things we love to do (posting to CFN, for example) are the building blocks of a happy life. PLAY, HAVING NEW EXPERIENCES, FRIENDS AND FAMILY, DOING THINGS THAT ARE MEANINGFUL, APPRECIATING WHAT WE HAVE. These are the things that make us happy, AND THEY ARE FREE.
    There is no limit to the amount of happiness we can generate in the world.

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  280. asoka.. November 2, 2012 at 4:13 am #

    First, Bill Clinton read the book, This Time It’s Different: Eight Centuries of Financial Folly, by Kenneth Rogoff and Carmen Reinhart
    Rogoff is a moderate Republican. Bill Clinton then had a conversation with Rogoff.
    CLINTON: “I read this very carefully. I just have a question. Do you believe that there’s any way America could have fully recovered from that crash in four years?”
    ROGOFF: “Lord no. No serious person believes that. The average country takes 10 years.”
    CLINTON: “Can we beat the global average of 10 years?”
    ROGOFF: “You bet we can. … But we have to do the right things.”
    CLINTON: “President Obama wants to do the right things in the next four years.”

  281. asoka.. November 2, 2012 at 4:28 am #

    While Nevada’s non-Hispanic white population grew by 12 percent from 2000 to 2010, African-Americans grew by 58 percent, Asians by 116 percent and Hispanics by 82 percent.
    This is your new country. Love it or leave it, the country is changing before our very eyes. I love it. I love multiculturalism. I love diversity. I am happy when I am in the USA.
    More immigrants, please!

  282. XXX5 November 2, 2012 at 7:33 am #

    I just have to drop in to see the wreckage this blog has become and who the latest person is that Asoka delights in pissing off … now Progress4Spam is the latest victim. Neckflames is, of course, absolutely correct about Ass Soaker but the other members, dwindling rapidly, seem to insist on believing this is still a blog.
    Freaking hilarious. This farcical locale will be commented on in my book. Ass Soaker, bitter about nothing to do but post here, pisses off a different person each day to remind himself that he’s alive while claiming he’s a “lover”.
    I can’t believe you chumps still won’t exit en masse and let JHK restart it anew.

  283. 8man November 2, 2012 at 8:04 am #

    No, I disagree. I take that all back. I am Wrong. We need to do the opposite create ever more complex programming languages, create trillions of complex, insanely complex languages and chips and systems, things that require trillions of people working for trillions of years just to print “Hello Idiotic World”, etc. So I imagine trillions of languages made up of trillions of books full of symbols (wild symbols, wild logic, wild diagrams and concepts), concepts, indirections, denotations, trillions of chips with trillions of transistors, the more complex the better, the more time wasting the better, since time is there to be wasted anyways, time is always wasted anyways, we need to be occupied and need to kill time (all of this as a corollary of my other projects for Mankind like building trillions of robots and skyscrapers and rockets and space travel and so forth and trillions of new brain designs, etc.)
    So, yes, we need to invent very large languages and programs full of wild symbols (that doesn’t work and will need an infinite amount of time to debug, the more they don’t work the better, the more insanity the better, contradict logic always, go backwards, do the opposite of what should be done, go backwards always, so cool…) a language that occupies a hundred books each a thousand pages long, and trillions of new languages, by the time the future comes, the year 2100 we will have an encyclopedia of programming languages having trillions of incredibly complex languages and systems, the mind occupied is the mind free…

    the ape job, the spe can, the tobor, the 8th men..
    shapc a lack a shpac , shpeck a lag al lag barbie confused… shapak a lak,,ùùù

  284. progress4spam November 2, 2012 at 8:22 am #

    Yeah, E, I was bored.
    And the blog traffic is light this week.*
    There was so little talk that I engaged with RI.
    Old Soaker Hose does twist and turn the facts so he can always be “right” doesn’t he?
    But you should not characterize me as “victim.”
    After all, I got him to publicly admit that all of his blather and drivel about infinite human love was a LIE, on his part.
    And he also won’t admit it – but Rhino and I have proved the point that asoka..’s positions are all in FAVOR of GROWTH and thus in favor of the existing TOP tier of US society.
    *AND, E, seriously, why do you think this blog is dying? I point out the chinese spammer, the screenname bannings, and asoka (aka the Resident Impediment) as primary reasons.
    Can you think of any other reasons?

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  285. borse2st November 2, 2012 at 10:39 am #

    In der Nacht zum Mittwoch rückte die Armee nach Augenzeugenberichten mit rund 25 Panzer in ein Flüchtlingslager nahe der Ortschaft Chan Junis im Süden des Gazastreifens ein. Nach Armeeangaben wurden zwei bewaffnete Pal?stinenser bei dem Versuch erschossen, in die jüdische Siedlung Morag im Gazastreifen einzudringen.

    Die M?nner seien mit Tarnanzügen bekleidet und mit Sturmgewehren bewaffnet gewesen, hie? es weiter. Sie h?tten eine Tasche bei sich, in der eine Bombe vermutet wurde. Aus israelischen Milit?rkreisen verlautete weiter, bei dem Panzervorsto? handele sich um eine begrenzte Operation mit dem Ziel, ein Gebiet zu sichern, von dem aus militante Pal?stinenser immer wieder israelische Truppen und Siedlungen beschossen h?tten.

    Anwohner berichteten, die Panzer würden von Kampfhubschraubern unterstützt. Planierraupen h?tten mehrere Geb?ude zerst?rt. Nach einigen Stunden zogen die Israelis wieder ab.

    Israelische Kampfhubschrauber er?ffneten am Abend das Feuer auf pal?stinensische Extremisten in Südlibanon. Zwei Menschen kamen ums Leben, ein weiterer wurde verletzt, wie aus libanesischen Sicherheitskreisen verlautete. Die Pal?stinenser in Wadi Sluki, rund zehn Kilometer n?rdlich der Grenze, h?tten zuvor Raketen auf Israel abgeschossen. Die israelischen Streitkr?fte erkl?rten, die Luftwaffe habe eine Gruppe von Rebellen getroffen, die Raketenwerfer aufgebaut h?tten.

    Israelische Soldaten schossen au?erdem vor der Küste des Gazastreifens von Kanonenbooten aus mit Maschinengewehren auf pal,Louis Vuitton Outlet Italia?stinensische Fischerboote und Einrichtungen an Land. Es sei niemand verletzt worden, hie? es. Nach israelischen Milit?rangaben wurde ein verd,louis vuitton borse?chtiges Objekt beschossen.

    Israel verteidigt T?tung Jassins

    Israel verteidigte in einer Sitzung des Weltsicherheitsrats die T?tung des Hamas-Führers. Botschafter Dan Gillerman nannte Scheich Jassin einen „Paten des Terrorismus“.

    Die Pal?stinenser sprachen dagegen von einem Kriegsverbrechen. Der pal?stinensische Botschafter Nasser el Kidwa kündigte an, die Verbündeten seines Volkes würden ein Votum über eine Resolution ansetzen, in dem die T?tung verurteilt werde. Es galt als sehr wahrscheinlich, dass die USA einen solchen Resolutionsentwurf mit ihrem Veto blockieren werden.

  286. Rupert S. Lander November 2, 2012 at 11:30 am #

    With long lines and frayed tempers at filling stations along the East Coast I think I can venture a guess as to what JHK’s next post is going to be about.

  287. Widespreadpanic7 November 2, 2012 at 12:01 pm #

    How about those long lines forming up at gas stations around NYC and in New Jersey? Tempers are short, violence is in the air, and the whole situation is taking on an apocalyptic hue.
    It seems we can put up with anything here, but when gasoline runs short … that’s when the shit hits the fan. And nobody is commenting much on the widespread looting in Brooklyn and Queens. Maybe this is what the future is going to look like.

  288. asoka.. November 2, 2012 at 12:20 pm #

    “nobody is commenting much on the widespread looting”
    NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly announced on Thursday afternoon that 18 individuals were arrested for looting at a Key Foods in Coney Island, and 2 more were arrested in Staten Island, ABC News reported.
    How many millions of people live in the NY metro area? How many engage in looting? A miniscule, a tiny miniscule percentage. Social breakdown? Evil human nature? I think not. The data don’t support it.

  289. asoka.. November 2, 2012 at 12:23 pm #

    XXX5, the data don’t support you. We have now had 32 months of private sector job growth with zero help from the Republicans. How many months do you need? You have failed to derail this economy with your hyperbolic doomer talk. The economy is headed in the right direction in spite of all the forces aligned against Obama.

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  290. asoka.. November 2, 2012 at 12:29 pm #

    Widespread? Get real, WSP7.
    Despite pre-storm fears about roving gangs of bandits terrorizing a crippled city, the post-storm reality of crime in New York City is very… New York. The Wall Street Journal reports that there have been 13 arrests for various minor offenses, including burglary, trespass, and “mischief” since the hurricane blew through on Monday night. None of the crimes were violent and there have been no solidly confirmed reports of large disruptions or other violent crimes.
    “Looters Fail to Tear NYC Apart”

  291. ozone November 2, 2012 at 12:48 pm #

    In a large disaster, I think I’d much rather be in “the country”, where expectations of outside help are much lower and the preparedness for contingencies is much higher.
    We’re just beginning to get a glimpse of the way ‘Murkins REact when services that they take for granted disappear.
    This is all about energy; how it’s dispensed, the uses it’s put to, how it’s made, and what it costs in the “other currency” that’s denominated in the energy of human labor.
    So, there we have it, and that’s why the crushing idiocy of postings having to do with the shiny, sugar-encrusted shores of Peppermint Bay; the Glorious nigger-free world of Nazi wannabes; the delving into the fetishistic Elysian Fields of guru-driven bullshittery; the interminably loooooooooong commercial sales pitches wrapped in nothingness and “philosophy”……….ETC., IS HERE, ON THIS BLOG!
    ……..Those postings are here to distract us from reorganizing for energy descent (also known as the crux of all matters relating to “modern civilization”).
    There is nothing “reasonable” or “worth discussing” about these posts that make up the majority of the writings here. Kunstler’s message is blunted by these ramblings, and as someone above noted, perhaps it’s a reflection of the actual zeitgeist of the ‘Murkin publick (and the clusterfuck thereby). If this is the truth of it, we’re in deeper shit than I had first surmised. If this is just a continuation of counterintelligence efforts to blur every reality they can envision, then I have more faith that some may have enough gray matter in the mix to muster the courage to face looming predicaments.
    …And now a Nor’easter deigns to strike, compounding miseries brought on by a Category ONE hurricane. (Did you note that? Category ONE! Where are they going to get the capital to build this seawall around NYC and environs?)
    It’s going to get very cold. Not a good thing for city folk without power or access to portable energy.
    Ignore the smoke and mirrors, all we have to do is read the very large writing on the very large wall. Disinterested observation is going to yield a lot more useful information than wishful whinings and bloviations will. (And no, I am absolutely not going to engage or acknowledge the distractors. They already have my utter contempt; what more do they need?)

  292. ozone November 2, 2012 at 1:02 pm #

    Not too much damage in the hills here. (As noted before, the 2009 ice storm and Halloween snow dump of 2011 cleaned most of the deadwood out.)
    2 1/2 inches of rain, when we were expecting 5 or 6.
    I’d say we got off very easy in these particular parts, wouldn’t you?!?
    (Cat. ONE, can you believe it? What if it had been a Cat. 3? I can hardly imagine.)
    NJ shore; the graveyard of petroleum-powered pleasure boats…

  293. Radu Voda November 2, 2012 at 1:23 pm #

    It’s the niggers that are looting and assaulting. Don’t try to be smart, you just outsmart yourself wise ass.
    Remember, Sandy wasn’t much of a hurricane but it was an incredible storm – lowest pressure on record perhaps with an incredible surge. The destruction came from the surge not the wind.

  294. Radu Voda November 2, 2012 at 1:28 pm #

    Non Union repairmen and contruction workers who have come to volunteer during the crisis, are being turned away by Union officials. Corruption isn’t just at the top, though they are much more responsible for it. As the Chinese Classics say, the ordinary people will do as the Great do. If the Great are virtuous, so will the people be. And if not, not.

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  295. Jam47 November 2, 2012 at 1:37 pm #

    Really Ozone, how are a few beside-the-point (according to you) postings on an obscure blog like this one going to distract anyone from preparing for energy descent. And any prepper who is in fact distracted is too feeble to survive a general collapse in any case.
    People who come here for survival instruction would be better served by buying a book like “When Technology Fails” and start studying what’s in it and then putting into practice what they learn.
    If this blog is about civilization,s collapse, then it’s about civilization, as it is now. Huge topic, you know.

  296. Rhino November 2, 2012 at 1:40 pm #

    Hey Asoka a gain of 135,000 jobs in a month doesn’t amount to shit and you know it. 150,000 immigrants, legal and illegal, are still arriving each month. – WSP-7
    Of course he knows it. His posts don’t illuminate or add to knowledge or general wisdom but rather detract.
    As far as Assoka’s stance on immigration goes, he still hasn’t illustrated how adding millions of semi-literate, non-English speaking peasants from south of the Rio Grande to the population of the US is in either the interests of those immigrants (legal and illegal alike) or in the interests of the existing American population especially since during that same time millions of jobs have been offshored.
    He says that these immigrants “contribute”. Yes they “contribute” to the bank accounts of people in the upper tier of the economy who would love more people in the US to further depress wages.
    Nothing like marginalized and impoverished people you can pay peanuts to and dictate to in order to cement your own high position in the economic and political food chain. What these poor hispanic bastards are unable to do is contribute to their own bank accounts. What they are faced with is a future in the USA that is much more difficult than that faced by past generations of immigrants. To that fact Assoka is utterly dismissive preferring to give this cartoonish portrayal of hispanics as happy, laughing, dancing, guitar strumming clowns, contented with just tortillas and beans. My family has a Spanish speaking component from South America and I can tell you they are anything but clowns.
    Much of what he posts is just plain ludicrous like his trumpetting of recent housing statistics as “good” news. In an earlier post I rebutted his absurdity using historical figures from the US Census Bureau (seeing as government provided numbers are Assoka’s favorite), showing that what Assoka trumpets as “good” news” is actually bad news when compared to housing numbers from the 1960s and 1970s when the economy was doing well and even when compared to figures from economically troubled times ie 1980, 1990.
    So Assoka’s main stance on economic matters is don’t worry, be happy.
    If you are in the top one percent I would say yes indeed don’t worry, be happy. Why so? Because the 1% have done wondrously well these past thirty or forty years. And because you have the Fed, the US Treasury, the POTUS and Congress all solicitously looking after your interests all the while ignoring those of the bottom 99%.
    So did you lose your job? Go fuck yourself. In trouble financially? Go fuck yourself. Your job went to China? Go fuck yourself. Your neighborhood school is a shithole crawling with armed goons and a nightmare for your kid? Go fuck yourself. There’s sweet bugger all that can be done for you. You see, that’s the market, that’s how it is, times are a changin’, governments are strapped and you are SOL little man. You say you pay your taxes? What’s your point? Piss off, man up and take care of yourself.
    You see the American working class is a despised category, begging for their comeuppance, waiting for a karmic shake-up, spit on as uneducable, untrainable, disposable, contemptible, unworthy of consideration, who should be happy with the princely sum of 12 thousand dollars per year, which is all they need. Assoka insists it is so.
    On the other hand, are you a banker? Do you work on Wall Street? Well, that’s different. For you there are multiple Mississippis of money in the form of QEs, Operation Twists, all for you to play with, to entertain yourself, to steal, inflation and destructive asset bubbles being laughed off as non-concerns, the economically debilitating effect of all this counterfeiting by the Fed airily waved away as a non issue. Assoka insists it is so.
    What? Wall Street blew itself and the financial system to hell? Don’t worry, the might of the Federal Reserve will make everything right for Wall Street, Congress will bend and/or break any law. There’s no end of money, no end of creative solutions, legal or illegal, that can be conjured up. For Wall Street that is.
    And things are looking up, up, up. Things have never been better, the statistics and Assoka say so. Not believable? Never mind yer lyin’ eyes.

  297. Jam47 November 2, 2012 at 1:55 pm #

    Most near-death returnees come back with stories of having visited a realm of luminous beauty where they encountered ethereal beings aglow with wisdom and love. Other returnees have come back with a different story. They claim to have passed through a place of pure horror.
    The heaven-approximating ND accounts are evidence of heaven, you say? Very well. But if that’s what you think, you’re thereby obliged to treat the hell-approximating accounts as evidence of hell.
    Not to worry, though. The giveaway word in the phrase “near death experience” is the word “near.” To be NEAR death is not to be IN death. You can’t give a first-hand account of an experience that you haven’t had.

  298. Jam47 November 2, 2012 at 2:19 pm #

    A poem by Philip Larkin that helps explain the predicament we’re all in.
    They fuck you up, your mom and dad
    They don’t mean to but they do
    They give you all the faults they had
    And add some new ones just for you
    But they were fucked up in their turn
    By fools in old style hats and coats
    Who half the time were sloppy stern
    And half at each others throats
    Man passes on misery to man
    It deepens like a coastal shelf
    Get out as early as you can
    And have no kids yourself

  299. ozone November 2, 2012 at 2:29 pm #

    “If this blog is about civilization,s collapse, then it’s about civilization, as it is now. Huge topic, you know.” -J47
    Point taken.
    A huge, ugly civilization, undeserving of saving from itself, and chock-full of navel-gazing pud-pullers without any future whatsoever.

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  300. ozone November 2, 2012 at 2:30 pm #

    (…Your posting about the futility of predicting “what’s on the other side”, shows this quite clearly.)

  301. robertawarshaw November 2, 2012 at 3:02 pm #

    I am looking forward to your column on Monday now that everything you predicted is coming to be.

  302. Michigan Native November 2, 2012 at 3:17 pm #

    Asoka is a fucking asshole. If everyone here would just ignore him and not respond to his denialist, delusional horseshit, then he would not get the attention he seeks by living in this place. Ignore him and he may realize he doesn’t have a life and go to another village and deprive them of an idiot there.

  303. 8man November 2, 2012 at 3:28 pm #

    Excess Capacity – Part II
    How many working gadgets do we throw away ? how many working electronic components do we throw away each day ? most gadgets just have one or two components broke all of the others are ok, and all of the others are thrown away, maybe some recycled, maybe some put underground, etc. Trillions of resistors and capacitors (and where did all of those transistors in that 1960 TV set in Oklahoma go ? where are they now ? and all of those cars of the 1970, where are all of the wires and the dashboards ? and so forth, and extend to all items you see, all the tables, forks, bottles, you name it) all working, all thrown away, and the same with TV sets (the old CRT types) and computers and cars, and all of those almost new back seats of cars that are thrown away with the millions of cars thrown away every year and such. And all of the houses the storm broke, but pieces of the houses are still good and working, but now gone forever, hidden ? recycled ? who knows….and the day will come, in the future that all of the trillions of electronic gadgets – microprocessors, resistors, CRT tubes, etc. (and old car engines, and old plastic, bottles, you name it, I have been throwing things out for years, I am the trash man of the house, I can imagine how much crap has been thrown out everyday for 200 or 300 years since the start of the “Industrial Revolution”…) will become the substrate of a new branch of Natural Evolution, evolving new things, new life forms, all of those electronic components combining randomly to create new animals, and life forms, and new brains, all new circuits and new thoughts, maybe in the year 300 million, all of these items will interact and become a new living organism, a new Instant Singularity, etc.
    This is the product of an Excess Capacity society, that can keep on producing forever, there is enough for everyone, there is a lot of waste, forever waste, but no circuit to distribute all of the Excess Capacity a Technological Society and Economy generates automatically: we need hence free salaries and cheap rents, and we all need to free load, long live freeloaders…

  304. Benr November 2, 2012 at 3:31 pm #

    Reality check.
    Obama = globalist and has talked at length using code words like New World Order.
    Gee just like the last 5 Presidents in a row.
    Mitt is also a globalist!
    Since these two guys thinking is globalist in nature when hear them talk about the 1% they are talking about YOU and the rest western world in general!
    Everyone in America is considered the 1% even people begging for change on street corners all over America!

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  305. Michigan Native November 2, 2012 at 3:45 pm #

    There are no shortage of crazy people out there. Many people are blabbing about the recent earthquakes and weather patterns as being the result of some one world government trying to create a “new world order” by using some HAARP weapon to trigger these recent disasters.
    Why they would like to experiment and wreak havoc on the people of the world is never explained, and of course, when the subject of peak oil and resource depletion/the end of growth is brought up, they insist there is plenty of oil, endless they insist, but it is a some conspiracy by the NWO to control and enslave us by limiting the supply. I want to stab these people in the neck with a pencil, they are hopeless
    Lyme disease, the West Nile Virus, these recent natural disasters, drought, food shortages, increasing global pandemics….I am more inclined to believe the Gaia theory, that the earth itself is turning against the cancer that is making her sick, namely, the human race. If true, then this latest hurricane may be just the start of a series of geological and meteorological convulsions that are essentially te earth trying to puke us off. I hope that is not the case, but there are far too many people on the planet, some 7 billion souls and the earth’s natural carrying capacity was 1 billion people, and even that was based on something which is clearly a thing of the past, a stable climate.Collectively we have treated the planet like it was our littering box and misused and abused its resources, and maybe we should have been better stewards of the planet and been less selfish and treated her with a great deal of sadly needed respect
    The people on the right. At least you know where you stand with them, as they are total cocksuckers. Romney will bring back growth and jobs by lowering the minimum wage and knock off the 47% of those scumbags who are dependent on government handouts while he stashes 145 million in overseas bank accounts. What a disaster he will prove to be, gutting safety nets and social programs at a time when people will need them the most. Global warming isn’t real, so let’s deregulate so industry that was outsourced to China and other prison/slave labor countries will come back and we can all live happily ever after trying to pay rent, let alone your water bill on $2.00/hour, and if we all convert to his brand of insanity, the cultists/stalkers that call themselves “Mormons”, we will all be able to be together in the hereafter. If fucktards like him go to heaven, then I prefer to go to hell. Same goes for Obama. So much for closing Gitmo, pulling us out of Iraq immediately, and signing the “national defense authorization act” which is a dead give away that the government knows full well collapse is imminent and plans have been made to impose martial law. Kiss your rights and your freedoms goodbye with either of these assholes

  306. ak November 2, 2012 at 3:47 pm #

    Fred Reed: A Surrender of Sorts

  307. lancemfoster November 2, 2012 at 4:12 pm #

    Amen, Michigan Native, Amen. I think you covered it all here.

  308. lancemfoster November 2, 2012 at 4:21 pm #

    Excellent, Rhino.

  309. KT November 2, 2012 at 4:34 pm #

    Well, the aftermath of Sandy certainly underscores many of your points.
    Take a look at TheDrudgeReport. The links on the top left show we’re in the midst of The Long Emergency: “Drivers Waiting 6 Hours for Gas in NYC,” “Finding Bodies Left and Right,” Residents Furious Red Cross Offering Cookies and Hot Chocolate, Not Blankets and Clothes” …. and on and on and on.

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  310. asoka,, November 2, 2012 at 4:53 pm #

    Any jump in jobs is good for housing, and September’s gain of 171,000 is no different.
    One of the biggest barriers to entry for potential home buyers, new and move-up, has been uncertainty in employment. So this positive report can only add to rising consumer confidence and wealth.
    When you dig down into the numbers, however, you can see where the numbers are not quite as rosy as some would hope for both home buyers and builders.
    While overall construction added 17,000 jobs in September, residential-building construction employment fell by 2,000. Residential specialty contractor jobs increased by 6,700, which speaks to the real root of today’s housing recovery.
    (Read more: Jobs Report Shows Some Gains.)
    All-cash investors are leading the gains; they buy distressed properties and then repair and remodel them to turn them into rentals. It’s no wonder remodelers are seeing greater gains than the home builders.
    An industry index of remodeling finally climbed into the positive in October, making a significant jump to its highest level since the end of 2005. Both current conditions and future expectations saw gains on the National Association of Home Builders’ remodeling index (RMI). The builders claim it is not just investors, but a result of rising home equity.
    “The strength of the RMI, especially in owner-occupied properties, shows that home owners are investing in remodels as home prices stabilize,” said NAHB Remodelers Chairman George Moore Jr., a remodeler from Elm Grove, La. “As owners become more confident that investments in housing will hold their value, they are beginning to undertake projects to improve their comfort that they had been putting off.”
    While any construction is better than no construction, housing analysts focus more on home building than remodeling, as the nation’s home builders contribute more to the overall economy, with more jobs and materials. Home builders have ramped up production dramatically, as they rise from the ashes of the housing bust.
    Soundtrack for this post – The Beatles’ “It’s Getting Better”

  311. XXX5 November 2, 2012 at 5:00 pm #

    P4S said:
    But you should not characterize me as “victim.”
    After all, I got him to publicly admit that all of his blather and drivel about infinite human love was a LIE, on his part.
    I was just being a provocateur … sorry. However, even you know that his public admission will be retracted in bits and pieces over he weeks and he will re-advertize himself as a “lover”. The posters who’ve been calling for a MASS SHUNNING of Asoka are the sanest, most pragmatic thinkers. If it can somehow be pulled off, he’ll disappear because he thrives on constant provocation of others and succeeding in getting a rise out of them. When he fails at that, he won’t stay for long.

  312. XXX5 November 2, 2012 at 5:06 pm #

    Ass Soaker said:
    Any jump in jobs is good for housing, and September’s gain of 171,000 is no different.
    One of the biggest barriers to entry for potential home buyers, new and move-up, has been uncertainty in employment.
    Yeah, it’s such great news that we’re gaining 171,000 jobs when 180,000 people per month are entering the USA. Shiller said that housing won’t recover for FIFTY years and what does he know since you must have some esteemed “index” that’s more revered than the Case-Shiller index … merely followed by the entire real estate industry.
    So there you have it. My once-every-two-weeks post ’til you go away and allow the blog to be something other than your egotistical plaything once gain. You always have been, are now, and always will be the biggest prevaricating asshole this site has ever known or ever will know.
    You’re just like Satan … evil disguised as Buddhist/Vedantic “love”.

  313. asoka.. November 2, 2012 at 5:10 pm #

    The posters who’ve been calling for a MASS SHUNNING of Asoka are the sanest, most pragmatic thinkers
    I agree.
    Let’s all go for it. Ignore him and he will go away.
    ANY kind of response only feeds his ego. Complete shunning is the only way to rid CFN of Asoka..
    We’ll still have to deal with the imposters like, Asoka_ and Asoka,,
    They are Asoka wannabees and may be harder to convince to leave.

  314. asoka.. November 2, 2012 at 5:17 pm #

    XXX5, you have just called for a shunning of Asoka..
    Then you turn around and reply to Asoka,,
    Are you calling for a shunning of all the Asokas? Which ones?
    You are sending mixed messages through your inconsistent and illogical behavior.
    We must get rid of Asoka. Then the Clusterfuck Nation will be a better place.

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  315. asoka.. November 2, 2012 at 5:19 pm #

    We must get rid of Asoka.
    Then the Clusterfuck Nation will be a better place.
    Doomers will then be unchallenged in their pessimism and gloom, unmolested by Asoka’s pesky facts.

  316. anti soak November 2, 2012 at 6:58 pm #

    Asoka, I dont want to ‘get rid of you’.
    I would like for you to limit yr posts to 1 a day.
    Up to 10,000 words per post.

  317. asoka.. November 2, 2012 at 7:49 pm #

    antisoak, thank you for that generous offer.
    Unfortunately, Asoka could function as a resident impediment, even with only one post a day. He is a cancer on CFN and must be shunned completely.
    When Asoka is gone, then you will see the return of intelligent posts, thoughtful discussion, solutions to the issues we face, etc. Asoka is impeding this. No one can make intelligent posts as long as Asoka is lurking in the background. Asoka has singlehandedly taken control of CFN, driving away all the intelligent people who could not stand to be challenged by peer-reviewed scientific data published in academic journals.
    You are too generous, antisoak. Asoka must be completely shunned. To engage or respond to him is only to encourage him (them, depending on how many Asokas there are) and CFN cannot stand for that. We are in crunch time and shunning is the answer proposed by XXX5. Let’s listen to XXX5.

  318. asoka.. November 2, 2012 at 8:42 pm #

    A comparison of the Multi-Hubbert Variant (MHV) approach used with both the Single-cycle Hubbert (SH) and the “original” Multi-cyclic Hubbert (MH) approach allows you to come up with estimated peak values for oil, NG, and coal. If you use a multi-cyclic Hubbert approach and apply that approach to forecast future trends in world fossil fuel production, starting from historical data on oil (crude and NGL), natural gas, and coal production, then take into consideration three possible scenarios for the global Ultimate (i.e. cumulative production plus remaining reserves plus undiscovered resources), you can come up with dates for when these important energy sources should peak and start to decline.
    Here are the estimated peak values, without any further suspense:
    30Gb/year in 2015 for oil
    132Tcf/year in 2035 for natural gas, and

    4.5Gtoe/year in 2052 for coal.
    This is vital information to have because many believe CFN is a peak oil blog, so we, of all people, should know when peak oil is going to occur.

  319. Radu Voda November 2, 2012 at 8:53 pm #

    There’s now a company that gives money for old ipads, phones, etc.

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  320. Radu Voda November 2, 2012 at 8:55 pm #

    So you think these experiences are just the dying brain? Why would such expiences be wired in? What biological or evolutionary purpose would it serve?

  321. asoka.. November 2, 2012 at 8:59 pm #

    CFNers insist that the descent in oil production, once the Hubbert oil peak has passed, must be irreversible, rapid, and accompanied by pervasive social and economic chaos. They say peak oil happened in the USA in 1970. Let’s look at the data:
    2008 … 1.83 billion barrels
    2012 … (through July) 2.33 billion barrels
    Hmmm… anybody see a problem here with “irreversible, rapid descent”? “Peak oil” has kind of turned upside-down, CFNers never predicted this increase. Production is not supposed to be increasing according to Hubbert and peak oil theory. Somebody got some ‘splainin’ to do.
    CFN response, more or less, is usually, “Yes, but, but, but, we have to be right eventually!”
    Right. We are all waiting. And your predictions have lost credibility from having been wrong so many times.

  322. asoka.. November 2, 2012 at 10:16 pm #

    American utility companies have executed a massive switch from coal to natural gas, reducing total national carbon dioxide emissions by at least 400 megatons a year — about twice the total effect of the Kyoto Protocol … in the rest of the world. Per-capita CO2 is down to Eisenhower-administration levels.

  323. asoka.. November 2, 2012 at 10:20 pm #

    Another thing that bugs me is the misrepresentation of Hubbert to support a pessimism that Hubbert himself did not share.
    In a 1956 paper Hubbert’s discussion of uranium and thorium was well-informed, and even at that early date it was clear “that there exist within minable depths in the United States rocks with uranium contents … whose total energy content is probably several hundred times that of all the fossil fuels combined.” On the scale of millennia, Hubbert said, “the discovery, exploitation, and exhaustion of the fossil fuels will be seen to be but an ephemeral event.”
    Hubbert is on my team, the optimists’ team, when it comes to the future of energy. (Thorium avoids all the problems associated with Japan’s Fukushima disaster.)
    A romantic reversion to pre-industrial life is just a CFN peak oil fantasy.

  324. beantown bill November 2, 2012 at 10:21 pm #

    Asoka, you seem to be getting stronger in your opposing views to doom and gloom. Is it a reaction to CFNers’ getting gloomier and doomier?
    Personally, I don’t mind your posts at all; just because you are contrary to what most of the posters here believe about general conditions in the US. is no reason for them to castigate you as a person. IMO. Having an opposing argument is good exercise for the minds of others. Unfortunately, many others don’t want to put in the effort to effectively refute you in a polite manner.

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  325. beantown bill November 2, 2012 at 10:25 pm #

    I also recommend you read Nicole Foss’ posting of October 27th over at theautomaticearth.com. I’d be interested in your comments about it.

  326. Radu Voda November 2, 2012 at 11:38 pm #

    Saw one of the would be marathoners on TV: he was outraged at the cancellation. He said, Look I’m sorry about the PROBLEMS these people are having, but…
    This is a fine example of the typical middle class American character stucture.

  327. asoka.. November 3, 2012 at 12:39 am #

    The article starts of by making an assumption which I do not share: that renewables should or could replace our current practices which are wasteful of energy.

    It will never be possible to deliver what we consider business as usual, or anything remotely resembling it, on renewable energy alone.

    We are going to have to learn to live on less energy, so the real question is can renewables provide a fraction of our current energy wastefulness, and I say yes, that is possible.
    With the exception of a mention of India, the other assumption I do not share is that energy should be available on-demand, 24/7, instead of on an intermittent basis. I have lived in the third world, where electricity was rationed. You quickly adapt to four hours in the morning, four hours in the evening, for a total of eight hours a day of electricity. So, we could get along on one-third of our current 24 hours a day wasteful use patterns. Again, no reason renewables have to substitute watt for watt the power we are now enjoying from electrical energy now produced by non-renewables.
    I did not see any mention of biomass alternatives that do not use up real estate, e.g., algae. I did not see any mention of space-based solar. I did not see any mention of local nuclear power using thorium.
    The article did provide an answer with which I agree:

    the true potential of renewable power, which is to provide small-scale, distributed supply directly adjacent to demand, as negative load. Minimizing the infrastructure requirement maximizes the EROEI, which is extremely important for low EROEI energy sources.

    The article could have said something about passive solar, or about conservation, or about living with less, but the initial assumption (straw man?) was renewables have to provide exactly what non-renewables are now providing, as if changes in life-style are out of the question.
    Finally, all the talk about costs and how prohibitive the development of renewables is, and not a word about where giant portions of our current budget goes: to the most wasteful use of tax dollars ever invented: war and preparation for war. We could have done quite a bit with the FOUR TRILLION DOLLARS wasted in Iraq (four trillion and counting, as we continue to support military pensions and medical care for wounded warriors for the rest of their lives).
    Oh, no mention of Taleb’s positive Black Swans, either. (I say that tongue in cheek).
    That is my initial reaction to the article. The solution has to be:
    1) take steps (birth control, family planning, education and empowerment of women, etc.) to reduce global population
    2) redirect spending away from war and toward development of renewables
    3) prepare ourselves to live on a fraction of our current nonrenewables energy obesity diet.

  328. asoka.. November 3, 2012 at 12:57 am #

    The solution has to be:
    1) take steps (birth control, family planning, education and empowerment of women, etc.) to reduce global population
    2) redirect spending away from war and toward development of renewables
    3) prepare ourselves to live on a fraction of our current nonrenewables energy obesity diet.
    I say “the solution has to be” … when I should have said: “my solution has been”
    1) get a vasectomy at age 19, before having children.
    2) refuse to go to war and perform alternative service instead.
    3) build an adobe house and live on $12,000 a year.
    In other words, for me these are not theoretical, abstract, or merely intellectual musings. In my personal life I have practiced what I have preached:
    1) by deciding to forgo children
    2) by becoming a conscientious objector to war
    3) by simplifying my life to use less energy

  329. Pucker November 3, 2012 at 1:44 am #

    I suppose that one has to at least admire the audacity of trying to hit me up for 5 Bucks?
    According to award-winning investigative journalist, Greg Palast, there’s a power struggle between the U.S. investment banks that support Obama, and some powerful hedge fund managers that support Romney. It has something to do over a fight over the country of Argentina and Argentina’s repayment of loans to U.S. banks. (I understand that the Clintons and the Bushes own huge estates in Argentina.)
    “This is it, Pucker.
    This is the last week of Barack’s last campaign, and today is your last chance to chip in and help strengthen it for the final (and most difficult) stretch.
    Our final budget deadline is tonight at midnight, and that means our final decisions will be made tomorrow based on what we have in the bank. In a race as close as this one, every single dollar will play a role in whether Barack wins or loses.
    I don’t plan on waking up on November 7th wishing I had done just a little bit more when I still had the chance.
    I hope you don’t, either — so please don’t wait any longer to take ownership of this campaign. Donate $5 or more today:
    Thank you for everything.

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  330. asoka.. November 3, 2012 at 1:45 am #

    When a thing is new,
    people say, “It is not true.”
    Later, when its truth becomes obvious,
    they say, “It is not important.”
    Finally, when its importance cannot be denied,
    they say, “Anyway, it is not new.”
    — William James

  331. borse2st November 3, 2012 at 2:37 am #

    La contemporaneità è contrassegnata da una vera e propria rivoluzione culturale, una rivoluzione ancora più profonda di quella che Platone presagiva nel Fedro a proposito dell’avvento della scrittura.

    In un libro recente, Presi nella rete. La mente ai tempi del web, uno dei nostri intellettuali più lucidi, Raffaele Simone, individua una delle dimensioni portanti di tale svolta radicale nel modo stesso di pensare, che contempla come sue principali conseguenze la trasformazione del testo scritto e la virtuale scomparsa della ‘autorialità’, ossia del concetto di ‘autore’.

    Una rivoluzione culturale che incide profondamente negli stessi rapporti politici, costruendo di fatto una nuova forma di democrazia, la “democrazia digitale” (l’espressione è dello stesso Raffaele Simone), ossia una sorta di “movimentismo reticolare”, che ha svolto un ruolo straordinario nel successo di Barack Obama nelle ultime elezioni presidenziali statunitensi e nella caduta di alcuni regimi dittatoriali arabi (Mubarak in Egitto e Gheddafi in Libia),louis vuitton borse. Nel nostro contesto nazionale la conseguenza politica più rilevante sta nello straordinario successo, alle recenti amministrative, del movimento di Grillo, considerato ormai da molti sondaggi, come il secondo partito italiano, con una percentuale di consensi vicina al 20 per cento.

    Il mio atteggiamento è sempre lo stesso, la contemporaneità va compresa e discussa senza essere demonizzata pregiudizialmente, la democrazia elettronica, quella digitale, vanno riconosciute per quello che sono, con i loro meriti – tra cui un nuovo impulso alla dimensione partecipativa della democrazia, senza la quale la stessa democrazia rappresentativa finisce per estinguersi – e per i suoi rischi: da ‘umanista’ come non tenere presenti le sottili disquisizioni di Ulrich, il celebre protagonista del romanzo-saggio, L’uomo senza qualità, quando in una stazione di polizia deve esibire la sua carta d’identità. Di quale identità si tratta? Qual è l’identità di ciascuno di noi nella democrazia digitale,Louis Vuitton Outlet?

    Perché sia ancora possibile avere una o più identità, Georg Steiner in uno dei suoi ultimi saggi, I libri che non ho scritto – “un libro mai scritto è più di un vuoto. Accompagna l’opera che si è compiuta come un’ombra fattiva, insieme ironica e dolente. ? una delle vite che non abbiamo voluto vivere, uno dei viaggi che non abbiamo intrapreso” – propone nel quinto capitolo, Interrogazioni scolastiche, una riforma globale del sistema formativo a venire.

    Se è ormai datata la contrapposizione cultura umanistica/cultura scientifica (Peter Snow) – dopo la svolta informatico-digitale della “terza cultura”, un paradigma che non può essere interpretato secondo i canoni regressivi pensati da Martin Heidegger per la tecnica – è necessaria la costruzione di un nuovo quadrivio formativo, incentrato su musica, matematica e scienze della vita (biologia molecolare e genetica).

    Un apparente ritorno al passato, come non ricordare le antichissime relazioni tra matematica e musica e quelle tra musica e architettura, e un investimento per il futuro, le scienze della vita: confini all’interno dei quali la democrazia e la filosofia potranno continuare a esercitare la loro funzione critica e a costruire le nostre identità.

  332. asoka.. November 3, 2012 at 2:41 am #

    When a thing is new,
    people say, “It is not true.”
    Later, when its truth becomes obvious,
    they say, “It is not important.”
    Finally, when its importance cannot be denied,
    they say, “Anyway, it is not new.”
    — William James

  333. jeloughrey November 3, 2012 at 2:56 am #

    Perhaps the real shitstorm will be the aftermath of Sandy. It’s already looking like NYC is mere days away from total anarchy. Then what?
    People who don’t have basic necessities will not be concerned about voting. Those who do want to vote will not be able to. Hoboken is being evacuated today, and those people are being told they cannot vote absentee. If they are refused entry back into their own neighborhoods in order to vote, then what are they supposed to do?
    Maybe this is the perfect storm of all Clusterfucks. I can feel the wheels coming off the bus, all the while the bus is accelerating. The aftermath is not going to pretty. And if the Republicans steal the election-either by hacking, or by default because those in largely blue areas can’t vote, then I’m envisioning a modern-day Dark Ages. Hold onto your hats–it’s gonna be an interesting few weeks.

  334. asoka.. November 3, 2012 at 3:16 am #

    But the really important things will not be disrupted!
    EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. — The NFL game between the Super Bowl champion New York Giants and Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday will be played despite transportation and power issues

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  335. anti soak November 3, 2012 at 3:19 am #

    Or will someone ‘give me a score card’
    …we have 3? asokas?

  336. BeingThere November 3, 2012 at 8:29 am #

    A Tale of Two Cities
    Yes I lived this past week between the city of light and the city of dark.
    Downtown where I live it was pitch black. I live on the 25th floor of a high rise with my guy and two cats and the experience was like camping out in your own home. Getting to work in midtown was not too much of a challenge in the light of day, but getting home was a different story.
    In the dark with nobody around I felt as if I just entered into a future dystopian movie–not the city I’m familiar with. Going downtown meant leaving all those bright lights descending into a cavern of darkness.
    I was lucky to get cabs because the free bus service was not going there.
    Somehow we persevered and found cool ways to do things. My guy would meet me in the lobby lit with some generator they had and walk me up the flights to our apartment. The halls so dark only the cats enjoyed it.
    Well, the lights turned on at 4:00am and we couldn’t be more relieved! Running water lights, no heat for now.
    Public radio kept our sanity not only keeping updated, but entertained us with musical selections to fit the mood of the city.
    No the city isn’t falling apart or moving into anarchy, but there is much loss and displacement and it will go on for a lot longer than the blackout.
    One thing we can all agree on is the JHK is dead on when he says this complex system we have built is very vulnerable and could fall apart.
    Lots of issues with getting gas to the right places and in NJ and NY people are having a tough time just getting gas to run their cars.
    We can only hope that we can start to discuss how we deal with this in the future and address climate change like adults–wouldn’t that be a change!

  337. ront November 3, 2012 at 9:18 am #

    Today marks the fiftieth anniversary of a 4-day gathering (Nov 1-4) in Pune, India of invitees who longed to love and/or obey Meher Baba as their Beloved Lord (Master, Father, Friend). Those attending were from both the East and the West. The following message was read out to those gathered. I offer it here because I think it can serve to focus on and challenge some universal road blocks suffered by humanity. If you read this as if it were coming from your own imagining of what “the Father of all Creation” might say to those wishing to help make a positive difference in the world through whatever means (science, religion, art, service, contemplation, etc), I think this will speak to you.
    It is my feeling that more important than what one chooses to do and attachment to the fruit of that labor, is the attitudes which one embraces that motivate the words and actions.
    Even a small bit of self-examination and questioning into one’s own motives and values can be a step toward purifying one’s heart. Nothing in my experience is more fulfilling than this.
    Meher Baba
    My dear workers: In spite of telling you very often that I will not give you any more messages or discourses, I find myself doing just this thing which is what I do not want to do. This is because most of you do things which I do not like you doing.
    I had to give you a message yesterday because you expected one, and the theme of the message was on your being my children, because despite much talk about a Baba family, there is more a semblance than a reality of kinship among you who are the children of one Father. True children of one Father do not greet one another with smiles and embraces and, at the same time, harbor grudges and ill-feeling; but they have an active concern in their hearts for the well-being of one another and make sacrifices for that well-being. If you make me your Real Father, all differences and contentions between you and others 
    and all personal problems in connection with your lives will become dissolved in the Ocean of my Love.
    You are all keen on spreading my message of Love and Truth, and many of you in the East and West have labored hard in this work, publishing magazines and other literature, organizing meetings, sacrificing your vacations by travelling, building halls and having statues made of me. But I wonder how much of my love and truth has been in your work of spreading my message of Love and Truth? Unless there is a brotherly feeling in your hearts, all the words that you speak and print in my name are hollow; all the miles that you travel in my cause are zero; all organizations for my work but an appearance of activity; all buildings to contain me are empty places and all statues that you make to embody me are of someone else.
    I have been patient and indulgent over the way you have been doing these things, because you have been very young children in my love, and children must have some sort of games to play. But now you are older and beginning to realize that there is a greater work ahead of you than what you have been doing. And you have been searching your minds and hearts as to what this work might be.
    It is not a different work to what you have been already doing. It is the same work done in a different way. And that way is the way of effacement, which means the more you work for me, the less important you feel in yourself. You must always remember that I alone do my work. Although only the one who has become One with God can serve and work for all, I allow you to work for me so that you have the opportunity to use your talents and capacities selflessly and to draw closer to me. You should never think that in your work for me you are benefiting others, for by being instrumental in bringing others to me, you are benefiting yourself.
    My work is your opportunity. But when you allow yourself to intervene between you and my work, you are allowing the work to take you away from me. When you put my work before yourself, the work will go right, although not necessarily smoothly. And when the work does not go right, it means you have put yourself between it and its accomplishment.
    The way of my work is the way of effacement which is the way of strength, not of weakness; and through it you become mature in my love. At this stage, you cannot know what real love is, but through working for me as you should work for me, you will arrive at that ripeness where, in a moment, I can give you That which you have been seeking for millions of years.

  338. Ixnei November 3, 2012 at 9:41 am #

    Just leave it to @$$ SOKER to give ADVICE. Or rather, to ADVISE. MASTER DEBATER. You can never have too many sides to one argument…
    Hottest year on record? Yes, my prediction will come true – with a shocking 0.2-0.3′ temperature increase over any other measurement in human history.
    Where are the forests, again?!? Oh yeah, bulldozed and clearcut. GL SOKER – Hope the Amazon provides you water/food for a while, before the corporate interests clear it all out.

  339. Kyooshtik November 3, 2012 at 12:08 pm #

    Super Storm
    Sandy and his, her, or its aftermath is a small foretaste of the “long emergency” to come, like an hors d’oeuvre before the entrée, but not so pleasant. As usual, though, Q’s luck held strong where he lives at the bottom of a hill a football field’s length from the banks of the old Raritan while not two blocks uphill large trees fell against houses and crushed cars. The burg’s more energetic and disorder-averse citizens have already chain-sawed the smaller fallen trees and limbs and stacked them curbside in neat piles. The big stuff is being handled by professionals.
    Some prior storms such as last year’s Irene had the Raritan River overflowing and completely inundating Johnson Park and River Road for a stretch of more than two miles. Its muddy waters lapped against the bottom course of wood ties of which the knee-high retaining wall on the lower side of my property is constructed. Ours is the bottom-most house on a street that slopes toward the river.
    Forecasts of Sandy’s coming onslaught proved not to be meteorological hype, hyperbole or error except in one respect: rainfall was not of biblical proportions. Rather, it was modest, continuous and wind-driven. This made a big difference. In the scenario that played in my head I saw an epic flood that would top my retaining wall (and perhaps then some) when relentless downpours, draining and converging in the Raritan River locally and from feeder creeks further upriver, would run finally into a high-tide full-moon storm-surge pushing ocean waters into Raritan Bay, holding back, if not reversing, the natural outflow of the swollen river.
    As of Hurricane Irene last year, we had lived in this house for the most recent 33 years of its 100 year existence without a drop of water having entered the basement. I attributed this to its French drain system and good fortune. But when my wife went to start a load of laundry she shrieked that we had a flood in the basement to a depth of 3 or 4 inches. Typical of basements everywhere, ours was filled to the gills with a lifetime’s accumulation of unnecessary stuff. What a mess! A week or two later I hired middle child Thom to take the train up from Philly to clean up our mini-disaster. I felt too old to deal with this shit. It is a blessing to have a son who can face such a daunting task without complaint or even a sigh. Maybe because he could use the money.
    But that was last year’s hurricane. I foresaw a worse basement flood this current go-round, possibly measured in feet, not inches and I thought long and hard on what could be done to mitigate it. The entire populous of the mid-Atlantic region seemed, like myself, to understand instinctively it was no bullshit this time…there would be no half-assed glancing blow as the storm veered off to the northeast and petered out in the north Atlantic like so many storms of yesteryear.
    I conceived a siphon arrangement and ran a test the day before the storm to prove that it actually would work. I filled a large trash barrel about half full with water in my back yard to represent a flooded basement. I uncoiled the full length of hose attached to a spigot at the back of my house, ran it across the ground, out the fence gate and down my back driveway to the street. I had to twist it this way and that way to get out all the kinks so it would lay flat and there would be no obstruction or interruption to the free flow of water through it.
    I squirted water out the spray nozzle on the end until I was sure the hose was full and had no air pockets in it. I left the spray nozzle in shut-off position at the street’s curb and walked back up to the other end and shut off the water supply at the spigot. I then unscrewed the hose from the spigot and held it up at chest level. I now had a hose filled with water from one end to the other. I lowered that open end of the hose into the very bottom of the half-full trash barrel and had my wife hold it in place while I walked back down to the sprayer end of the hose at the street. I unscrewed and removed the spray nozzle from the end of the hose and the water within it began to run out by force of gravity. It ran and it ran and in short order sucked up every drop from the barrel. My wife was amazed and I was proud.
    Once I knew the siphon would work I set up the real thing with a hose deployed from the lowest point in my basement, up and out a cellar window, then downhill to the lowest edge of my property at the retaining wall. As long as the end of the hose from which the water is exiting is lower than the end from which the water is being drawn the water will siphon forever or until there is none left, whichever comes first. I don’t mean to imply by my detailed description that this is some brilliant invention I just came up with. The underlying principles of physics have long been common knowledge among teenage gasoline thieves everywhere.
    Naturally, when one has prepared well, the preparation will prove to have been unnecessary. It is axiomatic, for example, that if you do not fix a hole in your roof it will rain but if you do fix the hole, it will not rain. ;o) Accordingly, the Raritan River swelled full but didn’t overflow its banks and my cellar remained bone dry.
    While towns all along the Jersey shore were hammered unmercifully by Mother Nature (I reconnoitered portions of it yesterday with my brother-in-law and the devastation is remarkable) the Q household’s only hardship was 36 hours or so of electrical power outage which, beside no lights, meant no heat, no TV, no internet, no IO Cable-reliant house phone and, for awhile, no cell phone service either. (Everything associated with the Comcast Cable system was still out of service when I typed this comment on Thursday afternoon, Nov. 1st. Service was restored in fits and starts on Friday and Saturday).
    Additionally, there was no delivery of the NY Times on Tuesday and, for me, boredom was made worse by a two-day shutdown of the stock market. I filled the unusual hole in my usual routines by working myself to exhaustion cleaning up the storm’s debris on my property. On the plus side, all our refrigerated food remained sufficiently cold and fresh enough to consume without triggering a case of “the trots” and we were able to cook normally on our gas range, eat by candle light, and quaff a nice Pinot Grigio.
    Every few minutes as we sat in dim candle light it would occur to my ancient mother-in-law to ask “What’s wrong with the lights?” or “Why doesn’t the TV work?” The simple sense of my answer, about the recently raging hurricane being the culprit, would pass through her mind like water through a sieve and disappear in seconds on its way, I imagine, to where the light of blown out candles resides and the animating principle of living beings goes upon death. How many times in close succession can one answer these same questions before one loses one’s own mind? If you haven’t cared for the elderly yet you don’t know what you’re in for.
    As minor as these inconveniences were, and particularly knowing they would be resolved sooner or later, (Note: I am more philosophical about life’s unavoidable disruptions than my wife who was becoming testy before a full day of power outage) I could not help but recall Kunstler’s book, The Long Emergency and his novels, World Made By Hand and The Witch of Hebron published subsequently, that brought TLE to life.
    With no power in our entire region it was pitch dark outside very early on Tuesday evening and I was in bed by 8:10 reading War and Peace by flashlight. A gas powered generator thrummed faintly somewhere in the distance.

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  340. anti soak November 3, 2012 at 12:16 pm #

    Thanks for the first hand report [same 2 Being There].
    Good you made it thru.
    Anyone who lives in a High Rise in a BIG city is asking for trouble.

  341. anti soak November 3, 2012 at 12:19 pm #

    As I woke this morning ‘handle on the law’ was on the radio. I was half asleep as I heard that..
    According to the lawyer [Mr Handlebaum] who DJs the show, Francisco, the captain of the Costa Concordia, is a SUING FOR WRONGFUL TERMINATION.
    Thats the ship where all those people died.

  342. Jam47 November 3, 2012 at 1:47 pm #

    The near death experience HAS no evolutionary purpose. It can’t. It can’t because evolution itself is without purpose. As I understand it, evolution is a big cause/effect machine creating and destroying species as it rolls through time. And that’s why deists fear the idea of it.
    If there is no purpose in evolution, there is no sentience in it. If sentience is absent from evolution, so is God. And if God is absent from so powerful a force as evolution, what else is God absent from? Maybe everything.
    So what do I think is the MEANING of the ND experience? I don’t know what the meaning is. I could say, as others have done, that’s it’s an hallucination. But how would I know that it is? On the other hand, I’m not going to say, for the reason I earlier gave, that having the ND experience, is, in point of fact, being temporarily dead, which is what the near-death-equals-death contingent DO say.
    I’ll go only as far as to say what I think the ND experience ISN’T. As to what it IS, don’t know.

  343. asoka.. November 3, 2012 at 1:54 pm #

    Asoka hereby proposes a 20 year moratorium on male voting. For 20 years men should not have the right to vote. Having only women voting for 20 years would allow for righting most of the male-created world problems.
    Elizabeth Warren for President, 2016

  344. asoka.. November 3, 2012 at 2:03 pm #

    WASHINGTON — The Mitt Romney campaign and its business allies are driving home a final message unlike one we’ve seen in past presidential campaigns: Vote Romney, or you’re fired.
    The pressure on workers in swing states to toe the GOP line hasn’t been restricted to any particular industry. Corporate apparel makers in Ohio, truck stop attendants in Ohio and Virginia, casino employees in Nevada, construction workers in Florida, gift-card purveyors in Colorado and Florida, car-parts makers in Michigan, software technicians in Florida and Colorado, coal miners in Ohio, dock manufacturers in Wisconsin, frozen-food packers in Michigan, resort staff in Florida, Virginia and Nevada, and people all over the country who work — or used to work — for Koch Industries or another Koch-owned company have all been given notice by their boss that an Obama victory could lead to layoffs or otherwise harm the company and its workers.
    Even workers who’d already been laid off by the Kochs were mailed letters urging them to vote Republican or else “suffer the consequences” of Obama policies that would harm the company.
    Romney himself urged conservative business leaders this June to “make it very clear to your employees what you believe is in the best interest of your enterprise and therefore their job and their future in the upcoming elections.”
    Before the Supreme Court’s 5-4 Citizens United decision, it would have been illegal for a boss to tell an employee that “their job and their future” was on the ballot on Election Day. But the court now considers such electoral pressure an expression of free speech.

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  345. Stephen Daedalus November 3, 2012 at 2:30 pm #

    Wow Jam! Nothing angry in that post. While I can’t speak of near death experience, I will say your interpretation of evolution is wrong. Evolution is simply about the adaptations life makes in order to survive. Sometimes it is more complex, other times, it ‘simplifies.’ It’s all about making it to the next day.

  346. Jam47 November 3, 2012 at 2:31 pm #

    Theists, not deists.

  347. Stephen Daedalus November 3, 2012 at 2:52 pm #

    Women are responsible for all births of males and females. The whole of humanity really. Seems to me the real problem comes from women instilling shit into their offspring, and then, ad infinitum…here we are…you making a sexist statement.

  348. asoka.. November 3, 2012 at 2:56 pm #

    “Once again, the G.O.P. is threatening to inflict large damage on the economy unless Mr. Obama gives it something — an extension of tax cuts for the wealthy — that it lacks the votes to pass through normal constitutional processes.
    But are we ready to become a country in which “Nice country you got here. Shame if something were to happen to it” becomes a winning political argument? I hope not. By all means, vote for Mr. Romney if you think he offers the better policies. But arguing for Mr. Romney on the grounds that he could get things done veers dangerously close to accepting protection-racket politics, which have no place in American life.”
    — Paul Krugman

  349. Jam47 November 3, 2012 at 3:03 pm #

    I haven’t the facts to make a worthwhile reply.
    By the way, you call yourself Stephen Daedalus, and earlier in the week you mentioned James Joyce. You’re a fan of his? I haven’t read anything by Joyce, but I have read novels by one of his disciples, Anthony Burgess, who himself is a huge literary talent.

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  350. mow November 3, 2012 at 3:19 pm #


  351. Radu Voda November 3, 2012 at 4:17 pm #

    Evolution is obviously guided to produce higher forms – forms more capable of accomodating the soul. Darwininan survival of the fittest cannot account for the development of legs, wings, eyes, etc. It can only be from “mutations”. And the vast majority of mutations are harmful. And there just hasn’t been enough time for the random helpful mutations to have done the job. So the mutations must have been guided.
    To think otherwise is to believe that a bunch of monkeys banging on typewriters could produce the work of Shakespeare. Now theoreticaly, a gigantic number of monkeys banging for infinite years might do it, but such infinity time is out of the question. How did life evolve so far in a scant four billion years on Earth is the question.
    Glad you didn’t call yourself an atheist. You know that you don’t know. Now extend that “not knowing” from God to Evolution (his possible handiwork) and to life after death (his possible mercy to creatures created in His Eternal Image).

  352. Radu Voda November 3, 2012 at 4:21 pm #

    What hubris we had to have built houses without fireplaces, eh?
    Your son is too tall for such stoop labor. That’s why Mexicans are good at it. We should breed a caste of short White Men – beta plus morons say. Don’t bother, they’re here.

  353. Radu Voda November 3, 2012 at 4:24 pm #

    Over twenty thousand dead people in Florida registered to vote. Over a thousand people in a Texas city who live out of one P.O Box. Non Citizens voting. Acorn inspired Negro fraud. Vote early and often as Al Capone said.
    Friends, it’s time to True the Vote.

  354. asoka.. November 3, 2012 at 4:42 pm #

    Q., our communication will become increasingly intermittent as our infrastructure deteriorates.
    Glad you made it through Sandy. Hope you are ready for the next one coming your way. Yes, there is a new storm whose path is predicted to move from the Southeast Tuesday night into New Jersey on Wednesday. This one will be just your average Nor’easter that comes in off the coast. Have fun next week. You could be getting snow.

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  355. asoka.. November 3, 2012 at 4:46 pm #

    Friends, it’s time to Rock the Vote.

  356. asoka.. November 3, 2012 at 5:27 pm #

    Nate Silver Criticizes the MSM
    My argument, rather, is this: we’ve about reached the point where if Mr. Romney wins, it can only be because the polls have been biased against him. Almost all of the chance that Mr. Romney has in the FiveThirtyEight forecast, about 16 percent to win the Electoral College, reflects this possibility.
    Yes, of course: most of the arguments that the polls are necessarily biased against Mr. Romney reflect little more than wishful thinking.
    Nevertheless, these arguments are potentially more intellectually coherent than the ones that propose that the race is “too close to call.” It isn’t. If the state polls are right, then Mr. Obama will win the Electoral College. If you can’t acknowledge that after a day when Mr. Obama leads 19 out of 20 swing-state polls, then you should abandon the pretense that your goal is to inform rather than entertain the public.
    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/nate-silver-on-who-political-pundits-who-are-mostly-entertainers-2012-11#ixzz2BCG3uiHE

  357. asoka.. November 3, 2012 at 5:33 pm #

    The election is not a horse race. It is not “too close to call” … It is not even close.
    Percentage Chance to Win the Electoral College
    80% Obama
    20% Romney
    The media just wants to keep people interested, so they say it is a toss up. It is not. They are not “statistically tied” … Obama has a far greater chance (80%) of winning 270 electoral votes than Romney (20%).

  358. BeingThere November 3, 2012 at 5:37 pm #

    True enough, Anti Soak
    Living in the big city and a high rise is a tough one especially as we get older. That said, my sister in the burbs will have no power for 1 week more than I and others have had extensive damage to their homes.
    This is a difficult time for anyone in these states that were so badly hit by this storm.
    Where we are discussing losing the great view in favor of a more survivable set up for our future as we get less able to navigate the stairs, we also recognize that it’s all going bad.

  359. Radu Voda November 3, 2012 at 6:01 pm #

    In other words, the Liberal/Democratic Agenda in its support Abortion, Homosexuality, and the destruction of the Family is unspeakably evil. Question YOUR Agenda.

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  360. Radu Voda November 3, 2012 at 6:04 pm #

    One more monkey banging on a typwriter to the tune of Red Rose, Red Rose *tea*.

  361. asoka.. November 3, 2012 at 6:12 pm #

    To all Christians on CFN, let me be the first to wish you a Merry Christmas.
    The real reason for the season is not Jesus, it the solstice celebration.
    The video explains the Christmas hoax.

  362. asoka.. November 3, 2012 at 6:22 pm #

    There is supposedly a Black Swan event coming on December 21 of 2012 AD (though Black Swans are by nature unpredictable), at the moment of the solstice. The exact nature of the event is speculation (unknowable, as Taleb indicated) but could be one of the following:
    * Hyperspatial Breakthrough
    * Planetesimal Impact
    * Alien Contact
    * Historical Metamorphosis
    * Metamorphosis of Natural Law
    * Solar Explosion
    * Quasar Ignition at the Galactic Core
    Or it could just be a World War III nuclear conflagration, or something more serious, like the end of CFN. We don’t have long to wait and see.

  363. asoka.. November 3, 2012 at 8:48 pm #

    ront, thank you for sharing your devotion and love for Baba.
    Science without religion is lame.
    Religion without science is blind.

    — Albert Einstein

  364. asoka.. November 3, 2012 at 9:48 pm #

    If you are still attached to your religion, your color, or the country you were born in, then you still don’t know who you are.
    — Prince Hanuman

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  365. Radu Voda November 3, 2012 at 10:06 pm #

    Hanuman was the greatest of all Monkeys. When tribal people in India obejct to be called monkeys, they don’t know what they are saying…
    How dare you invoke him in defence of your agenda! He meant that we should all be devotees of God or Ram – not that we should open our borders to lawless men or monkeys.

  366. Radu Voda November 3, 2012 at 10:21 pm #

    No more BS. Let’s get back to Law and Order.

  367. asoka.. November 3, 2012 at 11:19 pm #

    Don’t waste your time on human law and order.
    Hanuman is God. You are realizing Hanuman’s agenda, whether you realize it or not. Tat Tvam Asi.

  368. Pucker November 3, 2012 at 11:28 pm #

    What’s with the authoritarian fixation with planned destruction for the purpose of building a Utopia?
    “Speer also made plans to reconstruct Berlin on a grand scale, with huge buildings, wide boulevards, and a reorganized transportation system.”
    The Masons are also utopian “Builders”, right?

  369. Pucker November 3, 2012 at 11:37 pm #

    Frustrated with daily life of smog, pollution, traffic jams, and overcrowding, the architects came upon the idea of the perfect city: a modern, green city with no cars, no pollution…and no people…..

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  370. asoka.. November 3, 2012 at 11:46 pm #

    In January 2012 Gerald Celente predicted that the Euro Zone would collapse within 90 days, by April 1st 2012.
    Why doesn’t anyone challenge their bullshit when their predictions do not come true?
    Celente says the world could not go on printing money out of thin air without suffering an economic collapse.
    But an economic collapse didn’t happen by April 1st like he said. Celente reminds me of XXX5 in his hyperbolic language (in all caps).
    Both XXX5 and Celente were wrong about “crunch time” and the EU. Senseless, pathetic alarmism.

  371. Pucker November 4, 2012 at 12:34 am #

    They say that the kids in New Jersey and New York couldn’t go out trick-or-treating on Halloween this year because of Hurricane Sandy. (Unplacated spirits.)
    Researchers say that after 15 days without food people will resort to cannibalism.
    Why exactly 15 days?

  372. Buck Stud November 4, 2012 at 1:08 am #

    Good article by Silver. I don’t think the election will be all that close. Obama will win Ohio handily and perhaps Florida by two or three. Ditto for VA.It’s going to be an early night.
    As an aside, rumor has it that there is a public option aspect to the ACA coming down the pike. And when all is said and done, an epic economic revival will erupt as a result of the ACA. And the GOP will be completely and utterly marginalized, as they deserve to be.
    Tuesday night will be fun and I will celebrate.

  373. Michigan Native November 4, 2012 at 1:09 am #

    Why don’t we petition JHK to employ an ignore feature, whereby assholes who have no life and are full of shit will be iggied by one’s choice, and then divert ignoramuses and denialists like Asoka so he can finally cut holes in his pockets and find other ways to play with himself? Until then, ignore the asswipe. Then they will disappear, yet still have exrecised to their right to be as stupid as possible, just tey will have no desire to abuse the privilege. So much te better for the rest of us. First iggy Asoka, then iggy people that respond to him. Watch the quality of discussions here improve in no time

  374. asoka.. November 4, 2012 at 1:20 am #

    Radu, there’s a Sufi metaphor about identification. Misery doesn’t come to us, we unconsciously seek it out and hold on to it, like flinging our arms around a pillar. As we squeeze tighter we yell, “Oh, if I only could be rid of this misery and pain!”
    Your misunderstanding about “lawless men or monkeys” is your choice. As American mystic Adi Da Samraj once remarked, we do misery. Hell is not a place with open borders. You do it. For me open borders, multiculturalism, and diversity mean heaven.

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  375. asoka.. November 4, 2012 at 1:29 am #

    The irony of Romney saying he wants to repeal ACA is that ACA actually reduces the deficit. What Romney is saying is that on Day One of his presidency Romney wants to increase the deficit!
    There is going to be an internal Republican party bloodbath as they search for scapegoats (Tea Party? … those obsessed with rape? … those of the planet Kolob?) to blame for the loss.
    Meanwhile, Obama still needs to grow a spine and play rough with the loser Republicans: a public option for healthcare, no extension on tax cuts for the wealthy, a new emphasis on global warming, ending the war in Afghanistan ASAP, no Keystone pipeline construction, no war with Iran, etc.

  376. Michigan Native November 4, 2012 at 1:30 am #

    I would not put anything past the US government. Granted, they do have a HARRP system in Alaska, but that was designed to boil the upper atmosphere in what would likely be a vain and futile attempt to “melt” incoming ICBMs.
    How this device can cause every earthquake,tornado, hurricane, and tsunami is never explained by these lithium deprived NWO assholes, nor is the motive
    The “chemtrails” may or not be real, but their insistance that some chemicals are used to induce “mind control” (when they have an almost total control over the mass media) makes me further want to bitch slap them.
    And so now the 3 day “love of fellow mankind” reveals itself in NY and NJ. Dumpster diving, fist fights at gas stations, near riots, as state troopers have to divert their energies from writing out endless traffic violations, selling lemonade without a license, and your driveway being wet after a rainstorm, to maintain “law and order”
    Imagine what the US
    will be like, armed to the teeth, after the long emergency sets in. This latest disaster in just a drop in the bucket of what will come when the flow of oil gets abruptly cut off and the lights go out.

  377. Stephen Daedalus November 4, 2012 at 1:32 am #

    Thanks for acknowledging the connection. The work of Joyce is very complex and truthfully, over my head. At least awareness of something, even if you don’t understand it, is better than complete ignorance of it.

  378. Stephen Daedalus November 4, 2012 at 1:39 am #

    Misery – replying to you and expecting a reasonable response. I won’t be holding my breath. Cockadootie.

  379. Michigan Native November 4, 2012 at 1:46 am #

    yes, fine and dandy….if only we had an ignore option for those who have no life other than to serve as a warning for others

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  380. Stephen Daedalus November 4, 2012 at 1:56 am #

    My apologies. I get a bit belligerent at times. Nothing personal really.

  381. Radu Voda November 4, 2012 at 2:25 am #

    Lord of Monkeys! Become him by getting into his Heart. Or find Him in your’s.

  382. Radu Voda November 4, 2012 at 2:28 am #

    These pictures of Michelle are terrible!

  383. XXX5 November 4, 2012 at 4:37 am #

    Ass Soaker said:
    Both XXX5 and Celente were wrong about “crunch time” and the EU. Senseless, pathetic alarmism.
    As usual, you show your ignorance of history. The EU has ALREADY collapsed. Depressions are only recognized after the fact. Read Galbraith’s book on the subject or shut up. There are no announcements when collapses take place because of the complexity of events. Try taking a trip to Spain and Italy and see the devastation in the life in the streets. People are miserable, property theft is incredible, the usual Latin upbeatness has been supplanted by surliness.
    In the USA, we no longer have a true middle class. Our health care system is somewhere between 23rd and 40th depending on the metrics. Infant mortality is 17th. Real wages in the middle 50% are in shocking decline.
    It took several years before the Depression of the 1930s was even recognized as such and Jiminy Crickets just like you said it was over in 1932 when, in fact, it took WWII to end it and the Democrats were thrown out of Congress in the midterm elections of 1938 because FDR’s New Deal was perceived as a failure by the US public.
    At all levels, observational, statistical, and historical, you have never known your ass from first base and you never will.

  384. BeingThere November 4, 2012 at 7:20 am #

    On another blog yesterday I responded to something someone said concerning how O got a boost from the disaster.
    It is basically about this. It’s not complicated, but somehow it has become too complicated because of ideology of pure trickery.
    Here’s the thing. Our collective GDP is around $15 Trillion, we’ve been bailing out the TBTF nationally and internationally to the tune of tens of trillions. We have a system where no bid war and security contractors are feeding off the Fed all the while they tell we the people that we should not want Federal money, yet we pay taxes and contribute to ss and medicare.
    That should all be removed from us, replaced by super expensive privatization. So where do the states and localities get enough money to support all the human needs?—Nobody really addresses this in the ideological circle jerk!
    Instead they are quietly selling our public assets to sovereign wealth funds consisting of wealthy arabs and other foreign investors?
    So when the states get hit hard by natural disasters, who does Romney think will have the money to clean up the mess? Insurance companies? I think they are trying to redo many of their coverages since they can’t afford this either.
    The Republicans look like they love this country, but they are demanding of the people that they give up the national government in favor of state local and privatization none of which could afford to build an infrastructure. (while the special interests get the booty)
    This is not just a national economy anymore. It’s global so assets go elsewhere where the labor’s cheap.
    As E. points out if Europe is in trouble so is everyone.
    Look what our infrastructure looks like! And it’s only going to break down more!
    Check out the NYTimes Mag. section concerning the corridor of former manufacturing between NY and Wash. Great article.

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  385. ozone November 4, 2012 at 7:43 am #

    Happy to hear that you and yours came through okay.
    (“Pre-filling” a siphon hose was a stroke of low-tech epiphany there, good goin’.)
    I’m wondering at the propensity of folks to rebuild/remain in areas that are prone to powerful demonstrations of Nature’s forces. (Plus, I’ve never looked into what happens to long-term property values after such events. Does it rebound, say, 5 years out? IOW, what’s the “amnesia factor” here for residents and potential buyers?) Not a “comment” per se, just curious. Anybody want to buy some rice paddy “land” in Bangladesh?

  386. ozone November 4, 2012 at 8:01 am #

    “We have a system where no bid war and security contractors are feeding off the Fed all the while they tell we the people that we should not want Federal money, yet we pay taxes and contribute to ss and medicare.
    That should all be removed from us, replaced by super expensive privatization. So where do the states and localities get enough money to support all the human needs?—Nobody really addresses this in the ideological circle jerk!” -BT
    But… but… but it’s just too HARD to think about all this complicated-idity!! I won’t do it, and Romney’s a real smart guy with a big head (and so’s that other guy, what’s-his-name, who lives in the White House). Those guys are better at figgerin’, so just leave it to them.
    And, hey, you wouldn’t want anything that smelled of “socialism”, would you? No real ‘Murkin could live with that… Off-the-leash capitalism means freedom; everybody knows that!

  387. BeingThere November 4, 2012 at 8:11 am #

    My sister calls it Free-dumb.
    Hopefully people who aren’t too blinded by ideology saw what a responsive Fed govt does in disasters.
    Compare W. and Katrina with Obama and Sandy.
    Christie who knows he can’t possibly cover the costs of destruction to NJ by this storm was real schmoozy with the O-man. Why?
    Cuz he’s desperate for Federal disaster relief–and you can’t bite the hand that feeds you.(that would be unseemly)
    What do the ‘Merkins think of how our economy was run from FDR to Reagan? In the height of the cold war with the greatest economy and marketplace in the war and a strong infrastructure. Were we commies?

  388. ozone November 4, 2012 at 8:27 am #

    Fred shares your unease about where this all might be headed:
    …However, he’s proposing that we relax in the hell-bound handbasket as things are going to run their course, despite whinging and wheedling.
    (Perhaps fascism just wasn’t taken far enough in its’ former and present iterations; let’s try that… should fix everything, right?)

  389. BeingThere November 4, 2012 at 8:56 am #

    Thanks, O
    That was an excellent article. I noticed while at Rock Ctr. the other day that the place was being decorated in a new Branding of reds and blue as Democracy Plaza. Oh boy, let’s sell democracy like a product with a logo!
    Everything’s fine—we’re still a democracy just in case anyone was wondering.
    I feel so much better now.
    check out Max Keiser’s page a few interviews to watch and Webster Tarpley World crisis radio…Guns and Butter. that should be a tad more informative than the Teevee.

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  390. BeingThere November 4, 2012 at 10:52 am #

    Before I leave for work today, just thought I’d share something with you.
    WNYC Soundcheck this past week in the evenings was playing songs requested by musicians and listeners to describe how they feel about Sandy and it’s aftermath.
    My choice if I could have called in would be Randy California’s “Nature’s Way”.
    It’s nature’s way of telling you something’s wrong
    It’s nature’s way of telling you in a song
    It’s nature’s way of receiving you
    It’s nature’s way of retrieving you
    It’s nature’s way of telling you something’s wrong
    It’s nature’s way of telling you on the breeze
    It’s nature’s way of telling you–dying trees
    It’s nature’s way of telling you to slow down
    It’s nature’s way of telling you–look around
    It’s nature’s way of finding you
    It’s nature’s way of reminding you
    It’s nature’s way of telling you something’s wrong

  391. Dangerous Christian November 4, 2012 at 10:54 am #

    Howdy JHK from NJ, right in the thick o’ post-Sandy insanity!
    I see long gas lines and short fuses in the NY area, where many parts (including my neighborhood) don’t have power. In some places, phone, cell and internet were spotty.
    Although Obama promises quick relief, there are other things we won’t have relief from. The utilities that were disrupted due to Sandy still expect our monthly financial fealty. Mortgage companies, who got a “get out of jail free” card thanks to Obama, still expect us in impacted properties to pay. NYC has flooded tunnels and streets. Our beaches have been eternally altered. Many of us are just trying to stay alive and sane. I spoke with many who still are without power and it’s wearing on them.
    We’re witnessing the beginning of a “new normal”; the old normal up to October 26, 2012 is now history. We’re going have to live with the fact that thanks to our mess, we now have to live with whatever comes. All we can do is make adjustments to do the best we can.

  392. Buck Stud November 4, 2012 at 11:20 am #

    Yes, we can watch ‘the quality of discussions improve’. And we can also envision you, the worshiping sycophant, slobbering and gobbling on a certain “Russian Pole”, post after post.
    What a boring clown you are.

  393. asoka.. November 4, 2012 at 11:25 am #

    If you don’t think education matters, then you probably get your news from the dropouts.
    Rachel Maddow: B.A. from Stanford University in Public Policy and PhD from Oxford University in political science.
    Rush Limbaugh: college dropout
    Sean Hannity: college dropout
    Glenn Beck: college dropout

  394. asoka.. November 4, 2012 at 11:43 am #

    So much for Mass Shunning, eh?
    Now your position is that Europe has already collapsed? That must mean the USA has already collapsed (according to your logical proposition).
    But most (especially Asoka) do not realize it yet according to you.
    Right. You keep moving the goal posts and redefining your parameters when you are confronted with hard data.
    So, the TSHTF. Credit has run out. Everyone is debt. The highways are empty because people cannot drive their cars. The big box store parking lots are empty because no one has money or credit. The grocery store shelves are empty because the truckers have no fuel and the distribution network has shut down. No one has housing because all the houses have been taken back by the 1% through foreclosures. Without food, housing, or transportation, the corpses are piling up in the streets. There is no fuel for sanitation vehicles or public health workers to do clean up. There isn’t enough room in the cemeteries anyway for hundreds of millions of corpses and diseases, like the plague, are rapidly killing those who are still alive, so no one will be left to care for the dead, or eat the dead, or pray over the dead. It is all darkness and gloom in the land and we won’t have an internet or our normal functioning communication systems.
    Get real, XXX5. Open your eyes. Do you see collapse? Where’s the hyperinflation? Are gas prices increasing? No.
    Instead, gas prices continued their downward trend for the third consecutive week, following Hurricane Sandy’s impact on the northeastern U.S.
    The national average price for a gallon of regular self-serve gasoline dropped 8 cents in the past week to $3.50 Friday.

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  395. GAZ November 4, 2012 at 12:02 pm #

    Regurgitation of rote memory from modern day diploma mills is a poor gauge of intelligence or wisdom. Every one here could come up with a list of “highly educated and succesful people” who have been responsible for destroying countless lives…and vice-versa.
    Come up with something that a child can’t throw back in your face with an opposing argument just as valid as yours.

  396. asoka.. November 4, 2012 at 12:49 pm #

    Regurgitation of rote memory from modern day diploma mills is a poor gauge of intelligence or wisdom.
    You don’t get a PhD in Political Science from Oxford University by engaging in regurgitation of rote memory. Success and intelligence are not measured by wealth.

  397. asoka.. November 4, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

    Every major movement, from suffrage to civil and labor rights, has had an electoral component pushing the agenda in our state houses and capitols. Join me in building demand for progressive change with the Green Party and Jill Stein’s presidential campaign.
    People around the world wish they had a voice in American politics. We have the capacity to direct leaders to international war, shape relations in the Middle East, and peak or crash markets in far-reaching places. Our national policies that in turn shape policies in every corner of the earth.
    Please give to Jill Stein for president for all the people who so badly need her leadership but do not have a choice. Please contribute to her campaign for the people in Pakistan, Palestine, and Afghanistan. For the people around the world whose daily lives are affected by American policies but will not have a say.
    — Noam Chomsky

  398. anon y'mouse November 4, 2012 at 2:02 pm #

    sounds like sunny california needs no further disasters to slip into dis-civilization:

  399. Radu Voda November 4, 2012 at 2:15 pm #

    What a snob you are! As if College means anything now anyway…

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  400. Radu Voda November 4, 2012 at 2:20 pm #

    We were never a Democracy nor ever supposed to be one. That they sold people on that is indicative of how unrealistic Democracy. The people can be made to believe anything – like the idea that America is number one or that Negroes are equal with Whites or that discriminating against Whites is good for America. Anything.
    Did you find the word Democracy in the Constitution yet? Keep looking….

  401. beantown bill November 4, 2012 at 2:35 pm #

    We do have an ignore option here – it’s called “scroll past”.

  402. beantown bill November 4, 2012 at 2:51 pm #

    New Jersey is a perfect test case for the SHTF crowd.
    If the situation deteriorates further with rioting, looting, a lot of violence, and continued lack of electricity and other basic commodities, resulting in a perceived indefinite period of lower quality of life, then maybe the doom and gloomers have a very good point.
    However, if NJ gradually gets back to normal within a reasonable period of time given the destructive power of the storm, then the catastrophisizers probable should re-think their viewpoint.

  403. XXX5 November 4, 2012 at 4:50 pm #

    Vlad said to Asoka:
    What a snob you are! As if College means anything now anyway…
    Indeed!!! I taught college and I can tell you without a scintilla of equivocation that college is so watered down now that a graduating senior from a decent institution doesn’t have the literacy that an 11th grader had in 1900. People who doubt this should dig up Willa Cather’s entrance exam for the University of Nebraska in precisely that time period. It will humble all who dare to take it.
    I find most recent college grads to have shockingly poor language skills and stark innumeracy. In Willa Cather’s time, you had to be as conversant in LOGIC as you were in MUSIC as you were in LITERATURE. Now, we have a world of peevish specialists just as Huxley predicted in “Brave New World”.

  404. Kyooshtik November 4, 2012 at 5:17 pm #

    The suspense was unbearable, wink wink. The NY Times came out this past week in support of Obama for President.
    For my part, I support no one* and will not be voting this election nor probably ever again in this lifetime. I will reconsider when a declared atheist, non-politician, believer in minimal government is somehow shanghaied against his will and better judgement into running under a third, fourth or fifth party banner. Alternatively, I will vote when ballots are provided with check boxes labeled None Of The Above.
    I could never vote for someone with the lifelong ambition and audacity to actually RUN for political office.
    My plan beginning Nov 7th is to adapt to whatever nonsense the winning Obama administration does going forward. Reiterating what I said 6 months ago: Obama will win the popular vote with 51% to Romney’s 47% and 2% for all other and the EC vote by 270+.
    *At the breakfast table this morning my antediluvian m-i-l asked me “Who do you want to win?” I thought quickly how to end a conversation I knew would be unfruitfull. I said “no one, who do YOU want to win?” “Obama,” she says. I ask “why?” She gets that water through a sieve look and finally says “I just like him.” I ask, “who is his opponent?” She struggles mightily but can’t remember. She asks “Obama’s a Republican right?” I say, “no.” She says, “oh yeah, everybody back in Pennsylvania (recalling coal country back in the ’30s) was Democrat.” I persist: “OK, so you’re voting for him because everybody was a Democrat back in Nanty Glo (a town about a hundred yards wide and 200 long) when you were a little girl, but why do you like Obama?” She says “I’ve heard some speeches.” I asked her to explain the pros and cons related to Obamacare. I get the long blank Alzheimer’s stare. I said, “that’s OK mom, I don’t know either.”
    These are the kind of people who are allowed into voting booths.

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  405. asoka.. November 4, 2012 at 5:27 pm #

    So now we are comparing a USA community college with technical training programs with an academic doctoral program at Oxford University in England.
    You (GAZ, Radu, XXX5) are making a category error, comparing apples and oranges.
    I have never, before today, heard Oxford University called a “diploma mill.” Perhaps that comes from an unfamiliarity an Oxford doctoral program’s oral exams, dissertation projects, and extensive reading lists.
    Community college students are not exposed to those pedagogical methods. They are more likely to have multiple choice exams, 5-page papers (if that!), and a textbook. Like I said, you are comparing apples and oranges.

  406. beantown bill November 4, 2012 at 5:29 pm #

    I agree with you Q, and I, too, probably won’t vote for president in my lifetime. A vote for Obama or Romney is just a choice of how you want the broomstick shoved up your ass: angled to the left or angled to the right; either way, it is painful and very uncomfortable.

  407. GAZ November 4, 2012 at 5:54 pm #

    “So now we are comparing a USA community college with technical training programs with an academic doctoral program at Oxford University in England”
    A degree from Oxford impresses me about as much as a Nobel peace prize. What has Rachel Madcow done with her piece of paper besides polarize people?
    If she’s such hot shit run for office like Bill Clinton.
    When TSHTF I’ll take a farmer, carpenter, mechanic,etc. over a useless degree holder. People like Rachel will be dead weight that no one wants to carry around, or most of all listen to.

  408. anti soak November 4, 2012 at 6:28 pm #

    Great Point. In ‘one of them books’ [Larry Elders?
    Bell Curve?] They have questions from a NJ High School entrance Exam, circa 1900.
    I have a Science Bachelors, I couldnt answer the questions.
    radu once noted ‘in the 1800s, people were well educated’, or some-such.
    BT, I caught ‘Spirit’ at the Fillmore. Was sad to hear RC drowned in Hawaii.
    As far as :
    Check out the NYTimes Mag. section concerning the corridor of former manufacturing between NY and Wash. Great article……..
    The NY Times is anti American.
    Check ‘Crimes of the Times’ blog. A few years back I read their ‘Sunday section’. Unbelievable.
    Drag queens in New Orleans and to cap the crap off, the last page was color, Vicente Fox,
    ‘Border Rap’ was the title, about how kind he is to give us millions of immigrants.
    Perhaps that article is online, along with the one on ‘Sissy Bounce’.

  409. asoka.. November 4, 2012 at 7:42 pm #

    The U.S. Payroll to Population employment rate (P2P), as measured by Gallup, was 45.7 percent for the month of October, up from 45.1 percent in September, and reflecting the highest percentage of Americans with good jobs since Gallup began daily tracking of U.S. employment in 2010.
    Yet, according to XXX5, the middle class has disappeared and we have the worst economy in USA history. There is so much good economic news there is a saying that applies to XXX5:
    In the curious case of professor XXX5, that would be the middle finger.

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  410. asoka.. November 4, 2012 at 8:43 pm #

    If voting was meaningless, government officials would not try to prevent voting from happening.
    There have been massive lines this weekend in the key swing states of Florida and Ohio, with some voters waiting six hours or more to cast their ballot. This is not an accident. In Ohio, after attempting to cancel weekend early voting all together, Secretary of State Jon Husted (R) drastically rolled back early voting hours. In Florida, Gov. Rick Scott (R) reduced the number of early voting days from 14 to 8.
    If you think voting for the major parties is meaningless, you can cast a protest vote for Dr. Jill Stein. A large, extremely large, protest vote will send a message.
    Of course, you have indicated that you are going to choose the option of sitting at home, just watching the show. I guess you do not buy the rhetoric about how so many people died for our right to vote. In my case, since my ancestors did not have a guaranteed right to vote until 1965, I choose to honor my ancestors by exercising that right. It does not matter if my Green Party candidate loses. It does not matter if it is a meaningless exercise. It is a game I want to play, if for no other reason than that some want to take that right away from me. Use it or lose it.

  411. anon y'mouse November 4, 2012 at 9:13 pm #

    do you mean this test?
    not that they approach the ‘meat’ of the argument: that this was a real test used and what the pass/fail rate of it was back then vs. what it would be now. that is sidestepped somewhat.
    perhaps relevant is whether anyone who had taken and passed the SAT’s would do better or worse if they took it again with zero preparation vs. a typical high school student who was supposed to have been crammed with the ‘proper’ information quite recently. which seems to be aligning with the snopes argument.
    i will say, from recent experience in a college junior level writing course, that if this class was representative, there are many bad readers running around on campus nowadays. bad readers make bad writers, and some might claim that both make for bad reasoners.

  412. Radu Voda November 4, 2012 at 9:32 pm #

    The story is the comedy “man”. And the hero, the conqueror worm!

  413. Radu Voda November 4, 2012 at 9:40 pm #

    No, you’re forgeting cumulative effect. One disaster after another. Large parts of New Orleans are still in ruins remember… So before either New Orleans or Staten Island can be rebuilt, something else will happen somewhere else. And people will know that some places like Manhattan get priority treatment.

  414. Kyooshtik November 4, 2012 at 10:34 pm #

    This is a quiz to demonstrate the value of third party protest votes that are intended to “send a message.”
    With out using Google or any other search engine, tell me who comprised the Green Party ticket in 2008? Take your time…I’ll give you a couple minutes before I reveal the answer.
    etc etc—-
    OK, It was Cynthia McKinney, a black woman, for Prez and Rosa Clemente, also a woman, who I assume is Hispanic but couldn’t tell for sure from the video (she could be of mixed race, but let’s not get into irrelevancies right?) for VP.
    Needless to say, I had to look it up.
    I watched a couple of short videos. Rosa said something about them being the hip-hop generation. She said movements like theirs start with 10 people in a basement and before you know it it’s 100 people in a park. She mentioned being from the South Bronx and had the accent guaranteed to lose more votes than it wins to back up the claim. She spoke of needing to get 30,000 “valit” signatures in order to get on the ballot in NY. (Notice, valit rhymes with ballot.) A tip of the hat to Rosa for the nifty tattoos on her left shoulder, BTW.
    OK, times up. How many of you, other than Asoka, ever heard of these two women or what has become of them since 2008?
    Seriously, how can one take these people seriously? That was some message they sent to the Repubs and Dems.
    I’d like you to make a note that their will be a follow-up quiz in six months to see how many can remember who Dr. Stein was.

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  415. Kyooshtik November 4, 2012 at 10:39 pm #

    there will

  416. Mike Hunt November 4, 2012 at 11:09 pm #

    Food for thought…

  417. asoka.. November 4, 2012 at 11:16 pm #

    What difference does it make who is on the ballot for Green Party? When you skip the major party candidates and vote Green Party, doesn’t it serve exactly the same purpose as checking a box labelled “None of the above” (which you said you would vote for)? You are not being consistent. But, then again, maybe you are large and contain multitudes.

  418. Mike Hunt November 4, 2012 at 11:59 pm #

    When did Randy California drown? I didn’t follow the band but “12 Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus” is one of the great albums from the sixties.
    Mike Hunt

  419. anti soak November 5, 2012 at 2:24 am #

    Wiki is yr friend.
    Wiki/ randy california
    Sadly his son saw it happened.
    Didya know he was in a band with Jimi Hendrix, and his folks would not allow him to go to UK when Jimi
    got management?

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  420. anti soak November 5, 2012 at 2:30 am #

    That one is longer and more difficult than the one in the book I mentioned, but similar.
    Today alot of average [100,110 IQ] HS and College Grads would flunk it.

  421. borse2st November 5, 2012 at 3:39 am #

    Sie w?re die ideale Kandidatin für einen Ministerpr?sidenten und Medienmogul: Sie ist attraktiv, geschult im Umgang mit Medien und vor allem ?u?erst telegen. Doch Lilli Gruber, die berühmteste, beliebteste – und für viele Italiener sch?nste – TV-Journalistin im Belpaese steigt gegen den italienischen Premier Silvio Berlusconi in die Arena und zieht mit lautem Paukenschlag in die Politik.

    Das Arrivederci an den r?mischen Arbeitgeber klang bitter, ein j`accuse. Polemisch und medienwirksam schrieb die Starreporterin und Moderatorin der Hauptnachrichten des staatlichen italienischen Fernsehens RAI: ?In 20 Jahren arbeitete ich mit vielen Chefredakteuren.“ Nie allerdings habe es ?hnliche Versuche gegeben, das Programm des staatlichen Fernsehens der Meinung einer Regierung und einer Parlamentsmehrheit so sehr zu unterwerfen. Lilli, la Rossa, wie sie wegen ihrer roten Haarm?hne genannt wird, kandidiert für die EU-Wahlen im Juni.

    Schick und professionell

    Bisher garantierte die zierliche 47-j?hrige Südtirolerin dem ?ffentlichen TV-Kanal Rai Uno, dem ersten Sender des Staatlichen Fernsehens, sachkundig Quoten. Mit professionellem Auftreten und schickem Look am Bildschirm eroberte sie das Publikum zwischen Palermo und dem Brenner. Ihre Reportagen aus Berlin, den USA und Moskau und zuletzt aus Irak fanden breite Zustimmung bei Bürgern und immer ?fter den Missmut von m,Louis Vuitton Italia?chtigen M?nnern in Rom. EU-Kommissionschef Romano Prodi, der selbst nicht kandidieren kann und in Brüssel wegen seines starken Engagements für die italienische Innenpolitik ins Visier der Kritiker geriet, dagegen umwarb den Publikumsliebling und stellte sie als Zugpferd an die Spitze der Mitte-Linksliste Ulivo für das Europaparlament.

    Als „Wassertr?gerin Saddams“ beschimpft

    Der Job als Journalistin war für die streitbare Frau ohne Hang zu Kompromissen mühsam geworden. Sie kassierte in den letzten Jahren heftige Kritik und sogar Spott vom Mitte-Rechtslager. Politiker witzelten über ihre sorgf?ltig um den Hals gebundenen Schals, als sie w?hrend des gesamten Irak-Kriegs aus Bagdad berichtete. Als ?Wassertr?gerin“ von Saddam beschimpfte sie ein Abgeordneter der Mitte-Rechtskoalition.

    Mitte April wurde sie nach einem weiteren Irak-Einsatz nach mehreren Wochen Berichterstattung aus Bagdad zurückberufen. Offiziell aus Sicherheitsgründen, obwohl sie vor Ort bleiben wollte. Gruber bezeichnete die Guerilla im Irak als ?Widerstand“, die ausl?ndischen Soldaten als ?Besatzungstruppen“, die gefangenen italienischen Geiseln als ?moderne S?ldner“. Politiker, die den Einsatz von 3000 italienischen Soldaten in Südirak als ?Friedensmission“ begreifen, waren wütend.

    Die perfekt zweisprachige Südtirolerin aus einem kleinen Dorf bei Bozen, die 1987 von der Südtiroler RAI-Redaktion nach Rom zog und 1996 in München knapp ein Jahr lang FOCUS-TV moderierte, wurde übereinstimmend als Spitzenkandidatin im Wahlkreis Zentrum – Rom – aufgestellt. Beifall fand sie bei den Frauen der Parteien des Mitte-Linksbündnisses: ?Sie ist kompetent in der Au,Louis Vuitton Sito Ufficiale?enpolitik und wird ihre Arbeit gut machen,“ lobten zukünftige Kolleginnen.

    Angriff auf den Premier

    Ein Hauptanliegen für die neue Herausforderung kündigte Gruber pers?nlich an. Sie will gegen den Interessenskonflikt des Ministerpr?sidenten und Medienzaren Berlusconi, der drei private TV-Sender besitzt, ins Feld ziehen, ein ?wunder Punkt für die Glaubwürdigkeit der Demokratie,“ schrieb sie. Gute Chancen für die Wahl zur EU-Parlamentarierin r?umt ihr sogar Ex-Chefredakteur Clemente Mimun ein: Sie habe nie etwas getan, ?wo sie nicht wusste, dass sie gewinnt.“

  422. eud2e5s7 November 6, 2012 at 9:42 am #

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