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     There’s a good reason why nobody is paying attention to the election this year except the people who, one way or another, get paid to be interested: because for all that’s at stake there is no coherent discussion about any of it. By ‘at stake’ I mean what we are going to do when the major systems we depend on for everyday life begin to wobble and fail. 
     There is zero cognizance even among the paid kibitzers that we are near that point. Rather, a rapture of techno-narcissism holds in thrall even people who ought to know better, and a chatter-stream of infotainment propaganda spreads an hallucinatory fog of national self-esteem-boosting figments ranging from “energy independence” to “green jobs.” 
     The truth of our situation is an implacable contraction of the turbo-corporate economy due to remorseless looming energy scarcity. That is, strange to relate, not altogether bad news (if we were psychologically disposed to process it, which we are not). It doesn’t have to mean that everything in American life goes straight to shit — though it might. It could well mean that some of the most destructive corporate actors go to shit (quickly and unexpectedly), making room for some really beneficial transformation.
     For instance, the tensions of excessive scale and lack of resilience could put WalMart and everything like it out of business. It wouldn’t take much to fatally compromise the 12,000-mile supply lines and the ‘warehouse-on-wheels’ that the behemoth retailers depend on. $6 diesel fuel and a few more currency war provocations against China could put the schnitz on the operating system of national chain retail. It would be the end of the unacknowledged “entitlement” called “bargain shopping,” but it would also provide the opportunity to rebuild the very local and regional economies that these predatory outfits put to death thirty years ago – and, more importantly, open up a vast range of careers, positions, and roles for Americans to play in truly running their own commercial economies in their own home-towns, in particular young Americans otherwise demoralized by an economy that has left so many of them stranded.
     This is the direction that reality is taking us in, and one wonders why the candidates can’t begin to articulate it in these ridiculous show-and-tell spectacles that we misunderstand to be “debates.” Obviously it has as much to do with the sheer inertia of the status quo than even with the grotesque distortions of politics inspired by the Citizens United Supreme Court decision that has allowed the complete corporate capture of elections. And even that nation-wrecking calamity is probably out-weighed by the US public’s wish to keep all the familiar machinery of daily life going at all costs.
      This last part is surely understandable, but it will certainly lead to a tragic outcome: political and social collapse. No one in any realm of US leadership will face the difficulty and uncertainty of finding our way out of this predicament. Both candidates for president are devoted to sustaining the unsustainable and telling fairy tales about running the WalMart economy on “green” pixie dust.
       The systems that we depend on for running everyday life can all be clearly described and understood: commerce (WalMart); farming (agri-biz); transportation (happy motoring + airplanes); medicine (sickness hostage racket); education (babysitting), and so on. All of them are near the end of their existence in their current mode of operation. But the system in greatest danger is finance, which is system that is supposed to manage our accumulated wealth and deploy the surplus for purposes that keep civilization going. Finance is the sickest of all these systems now and the one that is most susceptible to collapse. 
      The basic problem is that finance and its organs of banking now run entirely on accounting fraud, which is to say the misrepresentation of our accumulated wealth and the subsequent misallocation of what’s left of it. Pervasive accounting fraud and control fraud (the criminal abuse of trust in money matters) is joined by the systematic corruption of markets. The stock and commodity markets can no longer perform their primary role of “price discovery” due to the criminal manipulation of indexes, and in particular the computer arbitrage racket known as high frequency trading, not to mention the absence of regulation and rule-of-law more generally. And the money markets can no longer perform their primary tasks of truthfully pricing debt in relation to risk – that is, establishing interest rates — due to the desperate interventions of central banks.    
      The result is a money management system that could collapse at any moment into a vacuum of unreality, and the chaos that would ensue is capable of wrecking the current incarnation of advanced industrial civilization. Mitt Romney represents all the forces that seek to pervert truth in banking, markets, trading, and commercial business. He made his fortune in a business of lethal arbitrage, hunting through the underbrush of American business like a poisonous snake, striking his victims in stealth and then consuming them. Barack Obama, lawyer and president, forgot that one of his duties is hunting snakes, and has allowed the garden of America to become overrun with snakes. There is even the pretty good chance that, if he loses this election, Mr. Obama will become one of those snakes himself.
     Personally, I have no faith in either of them, and watching them pretend to battle in the trumped-up arena of “debate” makes me sick.

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James Howard Kunstler is the author of many books including (non-fiction) The Geography of Nowhere, The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, Home from Nowhere, The Long Emergency and the four-book series of World Made By Hand novels, set in a post economic crash American future. His most recent book is Living in the Long Emergency; Global Crisis, the Failure of the Futurists, and the Early Adapters Who Are Showing Us the Way Forward. Jim lives on a homestead in Washington County, New. York, where he tends his garden and communes with his chickens.

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  1. gk358uk October 22, 2012 at 9:11 am #

    First

  2. jeff z October 22, 2012 at 9:13 am #

    And the answer to it all is: build raised garden beds! Now!
    http://eighthacrefarm.blogspot.com

  3. gk358uk October 22, 2012 at 9:15 am #

    Seriously though, another fine and interesting post from this side of the pond !

  4. Hammering Truth October 22, 2012 at 9:22 am #

    An electoral college tie is very possible. If we have a tie then look forward to having Romney as president and Biden as vice president. This might be the black swan event of the century: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFaHj38lWAk

  5. zen17 October 22, 2012 at 9:25 am #

    Well said Jim…

  6. asoka_ October 22, 2012 at 9:26 am #

    Message to CFN Doomers:
    WASHINGTON — New residential construction starts surged 15% in September to their highest annual rate in more than four years, as the housing sector continued to show signs of a burgeoning rebound.
    The number of new privately owned housing units that began construction was up for the third straight month, and rose in September to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 872,000, the Commerce Department said Wednesday.
    The figures surpassed economists’ expectations of about a 770,000 annual rate.
    September had the best monthly performance since July 2008, when housing starts were on an annual pace of 923,000. Compared with last September, new housing starts are up 34.8%, the Commerce Department said.
    Last month’s growth was “surprisingly strong,” said David Crowe, chief economist at the National Assn. of Home Builders.
    “As consumer confidence rises and jobs return, more local markets and more consumers will join the buyer market and I expect housing construction to continue a modest but fairly steady rise throughout 2013 and into 2014,” Crowe wrote in a blog post.
    ============
    CFN Doomers say the middle class has disappeared.
    CFN Doomers say manufacturing is dead in the USA.
    CFN Doomers say the housing situation is abysmal.
    CFN Doomers say we are in the “crunch time”
    CFN Doomers say the velocity of money is “slow”
    CFN Doomers say our economy is the worst in USA history.
    CFN Doomers say unemployment is worse than U6.
    CFN Doomers say the recovery is nonexistent.
    CFN Doomers say Asoka is an ignorant cornucopian.
    CFN Doomers say the USA is in an economic DEPRESSION.
    I ask all CFN Doomers: does a 34.8% increase in new housing starts over the last twelve months happen in a depressed economy?
    Housing starts ripple throughout the economy and those starts are an economic multiplier.
    I challenge CFN to pick any other period of USA history you consider to be an economic depression which has 34.8% annual increase in housing starts.
    How can people continue to deny we are in an ongoing economic recovery (unemployment down, housing starts up) in spite of economic data to the contrary?
    Allahu Akbar!
    Assalaamu alaikum!

  7. zoidion October 22, 2012 at 9:30 am #

    Jeff, that’s an awful lot of pricey lookin material in just the frames of those raised beds. For those of us with some clues about where things are heading in this country, it’s best to keep in mind that backyard (or frontyard) food production depends on a long view and practice of soil-building.
    As for James’ Mall-Wart trope, I’ve been seeing some indications of resilience: plans and moves toward smaller Wart stores supplied much more regionally. Don’t get me wrong–I hate em and have only givin money to one once. But they may be around a bit longer than we’d like. Maybe someone here can flesh out that picture?

  8. Monkeyboy October 22, 2012 at 9:30 am #

    Long emergency mean EMERGENCY IN SLOW MOTION…. $700 billion in bank socialism being pumped into the system allowed the crack addict to buy another small round of crack.
    And don’t call people doomers for calling it like it is… there is no value judgement on anything but suburbia… which most people seem to need to escape to places like Las Vegas.
    YPAs we head in to the home stretch for Romney ™ and Obama™; the outland of America known as the comment threads grow nastier and more ill-informed by the second, each “side” predicting the apocalypse should the “other” side’s guy win. It is a bit like watching the WWE; or even better like watching “Pepsi vs. Coke”.
    Pepsi and Coke are not different at all. Chemically they are virtually identical, they contain carbonated water, and high fructose corn syrup for the most part. That high fructose corn syrup is supplied to both companies by ADM. As a matter of fact when you look at the soda aisle what you are really looking at is a whole aisle of ADM high fructose corn syrup, no matter what label is slapped on the plastic bottle. The other thing you are looking at is an aisle of plastic.
    Part of the illusion of America is the illusion of choice as the film Food Inc. pointed out so vividly. The grocery store seems like a triumph for capitalism and globalization, a bounty of choices. The sad fact is that most of the food in the store is corn, supplied by a few giant companies.
    Our ballots are really no different, so why waste the energy to get excited over it? Face it, if the Republicans™ were really serious about banning abortion they would have done it in 2005-2006 when they had the Presidency™ and both the House™ and Senate™.
    And had the Democrats™ really been serious about socialized medicine, they would have done it with their Supermajority™
    The fact is that you have been had America. You believe you your guy, meanwhile he doesn’t give a rat’s ass what happens to you, he is getting chauffeured around in a limousine to speak at lunches that cost enough to pay off your mortgage.
    The truth is that both parties and all their members (myself included) are out squandering the wealth of the future on the ultimate (and perhaps last) stored solar energy party ever. It has been done before, with pretty horrifying results; but never on such a colossal scale.
    Perhaps man would have been better off if the Hebrew texts had forbidden the use of fossil fuels, instead of discriminating against homosexuals, too bad the ancients had so little thought as to the weight their writing would burden future society.
    Thank god the internet will be unplugged…. Perhaps we can spare them tales of Kardashian Snatches playing peek a boo under overpriced, under covering clothing. Ann Coulter’s “books” won’t survive the second round of gasoline spot shortages as the second amendment toting masses will wake up and turn on their masters at that point I’m sure. Perhaps it will be the other way around… god knows one side is well armed, and generations of Lil’ Kim’s have shown us that it doesn’t take any oil or food to run a totalitarian state. And the DEA has shown that Americans can be taken out… and no one will interfere.
    I read Jim Kunstler sometimes and wonder if he is living in the same America I am…. What I see emerging is a tightly run police state… one where the cameras and surveillance sensors are the only things running on solar consistently.
    The other thing I see is law enforcement getting their own gas stations, and driving bigger and bigger SUV’s. In Wisconsin cops are running around in the kind of IED personal carriers the soldiers were begging for and not getting during the first round of Iraq invasion, now the Racine County Sheriff is driving them.
    One thing is for sure… Obama™ has done nothing in the way of a coherent energy policy, and the Las Vegas style waste is as rampant as ever with the Forest Service and BLM getting fancy pants Connecticut soccer mom grocery getters, that get horrid mileage. Big 7 seat belt school busses…. With one person, who is talking on the phone?!?
    YOU are so right… the earth has a creamy oil core…. and we can go on like this forever.
    Idiot.

  9. TrE October 22, 2012 at 9:31 am #

    “A vast range of careers, positions, and roles for Americans to play in truly running their own commercial economies in their own home-towns…”
    I’ve spent the last couple of years developing a patchwork of locally-useful skills. Been thinking (hoping?) that we’re actually right in the middle of a serious of downward psychological and physical shocks. Perhaps (hopefully?) something huge won’t come along and hasten it, though of course things are looking more and more like it might. I’ve woken up queasy every Monday this October, checking the headlines with trepidation.
    Regarding your feeling of sickness, Jim, it’s spreading. Finally. And the only rememedy is to root ourselves in daily reality, real problems, and quality time alone and with others–with the TV off.

  10. pedal pusher October 22, 2012 at 9:32 am #

    I am reminded of the Hindenburg – talk about a bubble! It was never a matter of whether, only of when.

  11. Neon Vincent October 22, 2012 at 9:34 am #

    “[W]hat we are going to do when the major systems we depend on for everyday life begin to wobble and fail[?]…The truth of our situation is an implacable contraction of the turbo-corporate economy due to remorseless looming energy scarcity.”
    No one is going to talk about the situation if they want to win elections. The people may need to hear the message, but they don’t want to, and will punish people who do. That’s the lesson of Jimmy Carter vs. Ronald Reagan–never mind that Carter was right and Reagan set the country on a delayed road to ruin. Honestly, if you want people who are willing to take on those tough issues, you might have to wait until the Free and Equal debate featuring the four top minor party candidates. That will take place tomorrow night and will be televised by Al Jazeera English. The U.S. networks aren’t touching it. Too bad. Maybe a coherent response could be cobbled together the positions from Gary Johnson, Jill Stein, and Rocky Anderson. I don’t hold out much hope for anything useful coming out of the mouth of Virgil Goode.
    I plan on blogging about the minor party debate over at Crazy Eddie’s Motie News tomorrow. Today, my tribute to the GOP primary debates is the top story at the blog. It was inspired by two posts here about Dominionists in the GOP and bloodthirsty Aztec deities. The two have more in common that one might think, including a taste for cruelty.
    This past week, I chronicled the latest about riding the gas price rollercoaster, the Detroit Tigers in the World Series (I can’t be all serious business all the time), last week’s space and astronomy news, the importance of the Latino vote, health and education news, and lots about the state of the election. I’ve already mentioned the minor party candidates’ debate as a blogging topic. I also have lots of environmental news and even more politics lined up for this week.
    Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit!
    http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

  12. Nastarana October 22, 2012 at 9:37 am #

    Greetings, Jeff Z.
    Garden beds are a wonderful thing, but are you for real or not? Reality check time.
    If you own income producing property, do you prevent or disallow your tenants from growing gardens?
    If you have influence in your town, county or city, are you willing to oppose attempts to prevent back AND frontyard gardens?
    Do you go to campaign events and ask candidates, including those for local offices, if they are willing to support localized, sustainable food production? If you are an office holder yourself, are you willing to understand that by now localized food production, including in people’s own yards, whether they are land owners OR renters, is not something to be traded away.

  13. mila59 October 22, 2012 at 9:37 am #

    James, another great post. But don’t forget the other elephant in the room, CLIMATE CHANGE. It may indeed “get” us before the other looming crises.
    Mila

  14. Neon Vincent October 22, 2012 at 9:39 am #

    Thanks for reminding me about the tiebreaker in the Senate. The result would me a situation we haven’t had since Johnson served as Lincoln’s vice-president, except that was intentional. This wouldn’t be. I wouldn’t be surprised if the House impeached Biden, never mind that the Senate wouldn’t convict him.

  15. veronikaofcelje October 22, 2012 at 9:46 am #

    I dont give a fiddlers fart who gets elected Its all over Even the Dollarama has jacked up the prices and the fruit and veggie crops in Canada did poorly Fall leaving us rapidly for winter and the side show below me holds zero interst except that its a dying elephant that will collapse and hurt everything in its wake And poor us in Canada cant even arm ourselves in case of collapse.My son was smart enough to leave big box retail for gardening Each year will get a little more miserable until it all plops over

  16. Smokyjoe October 22, 2012 at 9:49 am #

    JHK is not seeing a few things. Nor are most Doomers.
    There is a modest recovery under way, one likely to be swamped at the first sign of a new fuel crisis or a dumb move against Iran.
    The new home-buyers and business owners today are the sort who should have been the rule during the Boom: folks with actual means to take out a loan.
    Given time and common sense–and I’m not optimistic–we could sustain something like a modest recovery and blunt the worst effects of resource depletion and climate change. We could use our 30 or so years of shale gas until we found a modest means to continue. We could re-invest in transit at the expense of the automobile. Wal Mart could put its goods on rails. We could re-allocate all that fake money we call The Budget from guns to infrastructure.
    Will we? Don’t know, and neither candidate will dare go there. The public is too soft to hear that the days of exceptionalism and infinite resources are over. Instead, both of them shuck and jive about “Energy Independence.”

  17. ffkling October 22, 2012 at 9:56 am #

    I do not equate Obama and Romney. A clear choice does exist and I will not hesitate in voting a straight Democratic ticket. How do you expect Obama to force radical change upon a population that is quite content with the status quo? The only method for enacting change is through moderation in the first term, and if Obama is re-elected he will be far more forceful in his second term. Further, a vote for a third party candidate is a vote for Romney. In case you have forgotten, it’s the Republican congress that proposed legislation to repeal the highly successful Endangered Species Act. Republican = greed, selfishness, anti-environment, anti-science, reactionary, anti-democratic as evidenced by attempts to prevent poor and minority voters from casting a ballot, etc.
    VOTE STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC for a change.

  18. SouthernHick October 22, 2012 at 9:58 am #

    A Soka Soka,
    Housing starts, eh? Should I start flipping housing again?
    CornPone

  19. Tancred October 22, 2012 at 10:14 am #

    “And the only remedy is to root ourselves in daily reality, real problems, and quality time alone and with others–with the TV off.”
    Why all the TV hate out there? Some of my best “quality time alone” is watching classic TV like Rifleman, and Mannix, and Dragnet. And I even enjoy that Hoveround guy whose mobility scooter takes him where he wants to go. And I don’t even have cable. Plenty of good old vintage TV out there with the advent of digital broadcasting. There’s even a network in my area that plays nothing but really obscure and really BAD B movies. One doesn’t HAVE to watch the Kardashians. There is no better quality time than a well-executed episode of Columbo.

  20. ccm989 October 22, 2012 at 10:22 am #

    The thing that drives me crazy is listening to the Tea Baggers bellyaching about taxes. Why if Obama is elected taxes will skyrocket! And Romney keeps telling us if taxes were lower, employers would hire more people! What malarky! No employer hires due to tax breaks. This is Capitalism — Supply & Demand. Employers hire when there is a demand for their products or services and they need more bodies to handle the demand not when they get tax breaks.
    Maybe all of Capitalism is corrupt but throw in a dash of Socialism and then we have a civilization that works. Maybe not forever, not for all of eternity but for a little while longer. And I, for one, accept that. Nothing is carved in stone. Civilizations rise and fall. Roman Empire, British Empire and eventually even the American Empire will fall too. How do we buffer a too steep, too fast fall? I say we fight it all the way and start with higher taxes on capitol gains, carried interest and no breaks for re-patrioted money or offshore accounts, etc. Money cushions a lot of blows. And we know that the Ryan Plan a/k/a Romney Plan helps 1 particular person get even richer — Mitt Romney! That alone makes him a creep.

  21. j0nx October 22, 2012 at 10:25 am #

    7/10 James. 7/10.

  22. tpverde October 22, 2012 at 10:30 am #

    In Costa Rica there are snakes in my garden, but they don’t run the whole show.
    We just got hit by an earthquake and some flooding in about 6 weeks and people help their neighbors, pick up where they left off and go tend their crops. No one trusts the politicians from the distant capital anyway, so they’re primed to make do with less.
    The let-down will leave fewer psychological and social scars.

  23. gp October 22, 2012 at 10:33 am #

    The least of the two evels is Obama, but I’m not too proud of him because he’s not calling Romney for what he is, a snake?
    I can’t figure Romney out, what is a rich guy like him doing running from president? Does he want to spread his wealth to his alredy rich friends.

  24. sevenmmm October 22, 2012 at 10:38 am #

    Excellent. Thanks.

  25. troutbum2 October 22, 2012 at 10:39 am #

    Asoka,
    The increase in Housing starts is an example of Mal-investment. Here’s Dr. Hussman, taken from this morning’s note, available at Hussmanfunds.com, :
    one of the moments of market excitement last week was the reported jump in new housing starts for September. But later in the week, investors learned that there was a slump in existing home sales as well. ……The housing data that is reported each month actually uses monthly data at an annual rate, so the jump from 758,000 to 852,000 housing starts at an annual rate actually works out to a statement that “During September, in an economy of about 130 million homes, about 100 million which are single detached units, a total of 9,500 more homes were started than in August – a fluctuation that is actually in the range of month-to-month statistical noise, but does bring recent activity to a recovery high.” Now, in prior recessions, the absolute low was about 900,000 starts on an annual basis, rising toward 2 million annual starts over the course of the recovery. The historical peak occurred in 1972 near 2.5 million starts, but the period leading up to 2006 was the longest sustained increase without a major drop. In the recent recovery, housing starts bottomed at 478,000 in early 2009, so we’ve clearly seen a recovery in starts. But the present level is still so low that it has previously been observed only briefly at the troughs of prior recessions.
    The second part of the process is the important to the question of what is sustainable. Here the question to ask is how and why does a decision to “start” a house occur? According to CoreLogic, about 22% of mortgages are underwater, with mortgage debt that exceeds the market value of the home. Likewise, banks have taken millions of homes into their own “real-estate owned” or REO portfolios, and have dribbled that inventory into the market at a very gradual rate. All of that means that the availability of existing homes for sale is far smaller than the actual inventory of homes that would be available if underwater homeowners were able, or banks were willing, to sell. Accordingly, much of the volume in “existing home sales” represents foreclosure sales, REO and short-sales (sales allowed by banks for less than the value of the outstanding mortgage). That constrained supply of homes available for sale is one reason why home prices have held up. At the same time, constrained supply means that new home buyers face higher prices and fewer choices for existing homes than they would if the market was actually clearing properly. Given those facts, buyers who are able to secure financing (or pay cash) often find it more desirable to build to their preference instead of buying an existing home. It’s not clear how many of these starts represent “spec” building by developers, but it’s interesting to note that the average time to sell a newly completed home has been rising, not falling, over the past year. …….
    . The result is more stable home prices, but a misallocation of capital into new homes despite a glut of existing homes that cannot or will not be brought to market. So starts are up even though existing home sales are down. Inefficient or not, there’s no indication that inventory will be abruptly spilled into the market, so if the slow dribble continues, we’ll probably continue to see gradual growth in housing starts that competes with a gradual release of inventory. This isn’t an indication of economic resilience or housing “liftoff,” but is instead an indication of market distortion and misallocation of scarce capital. Housing starts increased off of a low base during the 1969-70 and 1981-82 recessions as well. Still, this is unlikely to materially affect the course of what we continue to believe is a new recession today.

  26. Pucker October 22, 2012 at 10:40 am #

    Fart on, Comrades! Fart on! Give up not an inch! Fart on!
    I heard that old rich farts feel rejunvenated by transfusions of blood from young people.

  27. gp October 22, 2012 at 10:41 am #

    it would cost Romney 40% to bring back to the US the money he has stashed away in off shore banks, maybe if he becomes president he may want to change that rate…..so something more reasonable like 2% like Italy has already done.

  28. pequiste October 22, 2012 at 10:47 am #

    Here in Boca Raton, Fla., this very evening, there will be both a professional snake handling exhibition plus a snake oil monster sale at Lynn University – otherwise known as the final presidential debate. The contenders ( a contraction of confidence-man and pretenders, will mesmerize the assembled and TV audiences and make the most astonishing pronouncements and claims. But we at CFN know better. Try as the controllers may, the world continues to spin out of control and all it will take is a little pressure in the right place and kablooie – the financial wheels come off; war in the near east turns ugly; or some virulent strain of influenza synthesizes with ebola or meningitis. While waiting here’s some appropriate music (also for Jim’s birthday- I hope you had a happy with best wishes for health and happiness:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jaosn-LkOjw

  29. anglo October 22, 2012 at 10:48 am #

    Mr. K, your final paragraph “Personally, I have no faith in either of them, and watching them pretend to battle in the trumped-up arena of “debate” makes me sick.”is so obviously heartfelt and must surely be agreed with by so many of your countryfolk that I cannot begin to understand how it gets on to your media without outraged howls of protest from all corners of the U.S.
    My son regularly visits various cities over there on business. He recently told me that a lot of americans he meets profess to be embarrassed to admit they are americans when they come over to Europe because of the way they are portrayed (Fat, stupid and arrogant) when in fact a large number are in fact intelligent and very aware (like you for instance)
    WHY ARE YOU AS A GROUP NOT MAKING MUCH MUCH MORE NOISE ???????

  30. newworld October 22, 2012 at 10:56 am #

    We’re in a depression, without deficit spending we have the fiscal cliff, which means a 15% GDP haircut. Sooner or later we become Greece 2 and our overly complex and centralized economy shatters, much to the dismay of the stoopid left who wish to control everything and everybody.
    And Romney wins, sorry folks but the mushy middle does not want a kook for president and the GOP will spend the next two weeks aligning Mr. Numbnuts with with mooslim wingnuts, and its over.
    See Drudge.

  31. Benr October 22, 2012 at 10:56 am #

    @asoka_
    Housing starts are up because foreign investors see property as a safer place to stash money.
    The global Depression is rippling out from Europe to all the rest of the western world.

  32. Fissile October 22, 2012 at 10:56 am #

    The analogy of Romney as snake is wrong. A snake is a predator, and being a predator implies a certain nobility that Romney lacks. Predators are not always successful in bring down their prey. It’s not uncommon for the intended dinner to turn the tables and send the predator to the happy hunting grounds up in the sky……more then one lion has been offed by a cape buffalo. What Romney, and his ilk, do is feed off their hosts with zero risk to themselves, they are parasites, not predators. It would be more accurate to compare Romney to a gut worm and Obama to a medical doctor. What Obama needs to do is administer a worm poisoning enema so that American can flush the Romney/Ryans out of its colon.

  33. Benr October 22, 2012 at 11:00 am #

    @fissile
    It’s foolish to assume the Zer0 is not the left side of the coin that Mittens represents.
    The same people donate to both sides let’s get real here Goldmann Sachs donates to both sides there are two hands to every puppeteer.

  34. Benr October 22, 2012 at 11:06 am #

    Lets also not forget quantative easing aka QE3 and 40+ billion a month being pumped out forever!!!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantitative_easing
    Savings?
    401K?
    Not for long I hope everyone has a steady supply of wheelbarrels.
    Weimar republic event on the horizon.
    For those that have never heard of the above.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Republic

  35. Zev Paiss October 22, 2012 at 11:06 am #

    Here is a speech I would love to hear as part of the final presidential debate tonight.
    The moderator Bob Schieffer CBS News’ chief Washington correspondent turns to President Obama.
    “Mr. President, you have 2 minutes.”
    “My fellow Americans. I am sure you have noticed that the economy has not improved all that much in the past four years. Sure we have added 4.5 million private sector jobs, but if you do the math that is not even keeping up with our population growth.
    “So why is this happening you ask? Is this a failure of the Democrats or the Republicans? Well I stand here tonight not to tell you what you want to hear but what you need to hear.
    “The state of our economy is not only effected by the policies my esteemed colleague (gesturing to Governor Romney) and I have attempted to pass during the past four years, but a complex and ever changing set of global conditions that effect us all.
    To be perfectly frank with all of you, it matters little whether I or Mitt get elected on November 6th. The future of our world will be shaped by the forces of physics and geology, the energy consumption rates of Saudis and Venezuelans, and the basic fact that robust economic growth will be placed on the back burner for the next few years.
    Yes you heard me correctly. Improvement in our economy is not going to come from the market growth we all dream about, but from a re-structuring of our economy that basis quality of our lives and the lives of our children on systems that are truly sustainable and are less dependent on the actions of fanatical groups around the world.
    Thank you.
    If you think this is the direction we need to head check out http://www.fromhere-tothere.org

  36. wardoc October 22, 2012 at 11:19 am #

    I agree with your solution in principle, as self sufficiency in food production, despite being much more difficult than most think, is probably the single most important “liberation” one can accomplish for oneself and one’s family.
    However, I would add that this solution also requires, as much as progressives want to pretend otherwise, defenses, both active and passive, against those whose goal is to plunder yours, having performed no preps themselves. I’m talking about robbers, thieves, and plunderers, be they violent gangs or simple lone human pests.
    In England, e.g., they are having a terrible time with criminals stealing whole gardens of veggies in the middle of the night and carrying the produce off in vans to be sold at a market in the next town. The criminals, too lazy to have a garden themselves, steal the work of others and make a good profit at market. I personally know a family who just went in with several other families to hire a fellow (who is apparently a local “bad ass”)to protect their crops. Some families have even hired people who have the very very hard to get gun permits that are so rare in the UK (since “banning guns” their crime tends to be knife woundings and club beatings; now the criminals just use knives and clubs with 8 inch nails driven through like a medieval flange of sort ).
    The only reason we’re not seeing this phenomenon here in the US is that so few people actually have gardens. Here in the mid-atlantic, in a neighborhood of about 50 homes, two people have a veggie garden (many have show flowers to impress the little old ladies in the neighborhood nazi association, but only two have functional gardens). (It will be interesting to see some of them trying to eat their flowers when the grocery stores are empty).
    Once more people in the US wake up and start growing their own food, you’ll see a huge problem with food theft that will make what they’re seeing in the UK look like child’s play. We’re a much more impulsive, entitled, dysfunctionally heterogeneous, and angry society, and when you have food and I don’t, well…..you get the idea.
    In the future, it will come down to one’s protecting their food source with force OR watching one’s family starve to death (the cops will be laid off, furlowed, or too busy collecting ticket money to bother with theft of your property). The choice, albeit it an object of denial for the weak willed, is and will be rather quite clear.
    Lock and load, or starve.
    Wardoc

  37. driften October 22, 2012 at 11:35 am #

    Keep eating those little round balls of stats those bureaucrats spend their days rolling from the raw material they extract during their bathroom breaks. Healthwise they’re probably better for you than high fructose corn syrup.

  38. Benr October 22, 2012 at 11:51 am #

    The grocery stores won’t be empty but the price of food will be so expensive you won’t be able to afford it.
    Further the price of non-organic petroleum fertilizer will be very expensive PETRO BASED fertilizers are toxic to all the very things that makes soil good and plant based diets healthy!
    Time to go back to animal poo fertilizer/composts and stop killing the micoorganisims!
    Dirt becomes healthy soil only when you have these components: Organic matter, Living Organisms, Moisture, and Nutrients for plants and microorganisms. To grow healthy plants/food, you need healthy soil!

  39. Loveandlight October 22, 2012 at 11:53 am #

    Well, I’ll vote for Obama and the Democrats because, well, I guess it’s just sort of what I do, and I also don’t like that the Klansmen and the religious reich have taken over the Republican Party. But I refuse to be emotionally invested in any of it, and I sure as shit won’t be sending those asshole Democratic Party hacks any more money probably ever.

  40. bproman October 22, 2012 at 11:56 am #

    Plop plop fizz. Take a couple of shots of prune juice. Your programmed Robot Doctor recommends you make your payment with interest on your digital chip credit card and call tomorrow as the lines are currently backed up. We thank you for waiting and please enjoy the elevator music. Have a whatever kind of day. Sputter, sputter, clunk.

  41. azgog October 22, 2012 at 11:58 am #

    If we were serious about saving civilization we would be hard at work developing alternate forms of agriculture and massively deploying renewable energy systems. We have had plenty of warning about depleting resources and human caused climate change.
    Instead we are bickering about the desirability of health care, contraception, gay marriage and tax cuts for the already wealthy. Instead we waste trillions on weapons and billions on sports and celebrity obsessions. As our fate becomes clearer we will one day wake up only to discover that we no longer have the time or resources left to recover.
    The future needs to be invested in but we chose to waste our capital on derivatives, SUVs and entertainment. We are like the adolescent slouching thru college, avoiding the hard work and partying every night while expecting that everything will work out great.

  42. Nastarana October 22, 2012 at 12:02 pm #

    Garden theft is already happening here in the USA.
    What many are doing is planting rose hedges. If you live in a warm climate, zone 7b or warmer, a good option is a rose called Mermaid, AKA Prison Bars. I guarantee you that not even an agile 10 year old boy can wriggle through a Mermaid hedge.
    For colder climates, I believe some of the species roses, or a cultivar called John Davis, can be used for the same purpose.
    However, a much greater threat to home food production is zoning regulations writen by retail grocery interests, Home Ownership Associations fearful of declining property values, and the like. This is why is it important to let people running for office from any party know that we in favor of sustainable food production do vote. I am sitting out the NY senate vote because Gillibrand voted against Sen. Sanders’ labelling GMOs amendment to the Farm Bill.

  43. steve October 22, 2012 at 12:08 pm #

    Yea verily, all hail the Great God Obama! We eagerly await His second coming and the good fruits that will surely flow.

  44. anti soak October 22, 2012 at 12:14 pm #

    JHK:
    The systems that we depend on for running everyday life can all be clearly described and understood: commerce (WalMart); farming (agri-biz); transportation (happy motoring + airplanes); medicine (sickness hostage racket); education (babysitting), and so on. All of them are near the end of their existence in their current mode of operation………………..
    OK, so what does 2017 look like?

  45. LifeSupport October 22, 2012 at 12:17 pm #

    All other considerations aside, I find some reason to be concerned about the possibility that the Supreme Court may still exert a strong influence upon quality of life in post-peak society. That concern alone would be enough to drive me to the voting booth.

  46. Nastarana October 22, 2012 at 12:26 pm #

    There are a number of reasons for the lack of noise.
    First is that the reactionary wannabe fascists control most of the media. When is the last time you saw JHK appear on a major network? When was the last time he was asked to contribute an article to any publication with a mass circulation. Orion, excellent mag though it is, does not count.
    Second is the American preference for nice nice optimism.
    The belief in American exceptionalism continues in defiance of all reason.

  47. azgog October 22, 2012 at 12:35 pm #

    Absent a dramatic, spectacular and singular event no President or candidate will ever level with the American people. That this nation has been responsible for the largest portion of climate changing emissions will not be discussed. The effects of the quadrupling of oil prices on our economy will not be mentioned. The fact that other countries manage to have universal health care, excellent public transit and shorter work weeks is suppressed. The bankrupting cost of our global military forces and the weapons and fuel used to support them will be politely ignored.
    Because we truly believe we are “special” and an “exception” to history. No, we just had a run of good luck that is now running out. Coping with that will really test our character.

  48. mistified October 22, 2012 at 12:39 pm #

    “Employers hire when there is a demand for their products or services…”
    Guess what genius? When people are taxed less, they have more money in their pockets for the products and services that businesses provide. Are you really this stupid? (Never mind.)

  49. Radu Voda October 22, 2012 at 12:43 pm #

    Obama filled his cabinet up with Goldman Sachs people – just as McCain would have or Romeny will if elected. People wake up – vote for one of the non-official State Parties.

  50. Radu Voda October 22, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

    Thank you for your honesty: people like you are the problem. “Just doing what you do” is the very definition of the unconscious life – the life of the programmed. The higher life is a life of war against habit and unconsciousness.
    Without people like you, the Tyrants couldn’t rule.

  51. mistified October 22, 2012 at 12:48 pm #

    “Well, I’ll vote for Obama and the Democrats because, well, I guess it’s just sort of what I do…”
    Now there is a brilliant explanation on why one votes. Admit it. You are a robot.

  52. Radu Voda October 22, 2012 at 12:51 pm #

    Great idea – thanks for the brand name. In Africa, the people camping out in the bush build a “boma” or thorny barricade to keep lions and hyenas out. The hedge probably started out as something like this.
    Soon we will be digging moats and building in stone not wood: fire will be a terrible weapon again as it once was.

  53. KT October 22, 2012 at 12:55 pm #

    I think many of us feel the way you do about the presidential candidates.
    I am still in the undecided camp, which is silly because I have never voted for a Republican candidate in the general election.
    I considered voting for Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate, but discovered that not only is she not on my state’s ballot but also that my state will throw away my vote for her. (So much for freedom of choice.) So that leaves me with Twiddle Dee and Twiddle Dum.
    I’ll probably follow my history and vote for Obama, but it is just because I think he is the lesser evil. The last few months have made me realize anew that we need to break the two-party hold on government. In fact, it could be argued that it is what has gotten us into the mess we are in.
    I remember years (decades?) ago writing in support of ballot access issues. I naively thought that ballot access was inevitable. Shows how little I understood the hold the Republicrats have on the nation.
    I have a feeling the future will be different … What will be “interesting” is how we get to it ….

  54. swmnguy October 22, 2012 at 12:58 pm #

    I disagree that “The basic problem is that finance and its organs of banking now run entirely on accounting fraud, which is to say the misrepresentation of our accumulated wealth and the subsequent misallocation of what’s left of it.”

    I think the problem is far more basic than that, and far less fixable. In theory, we could root out fraud. What I think is the real problem, we cannot fix.

    Finance boils down to the buying and selling of money itself, and various forms of money, including debt. When I take out a loan, I get some money, but the bank gets debt, which is worth more (because of the interest and fees), and moreover, they can and do sell it. In fact, that’s where they earn the most money; not collecting my monthly payments, but using my debt as collateral for themselves to borrow money, or selling it outright.

    Here’s where the problem comes in. Why would I promise to pay more money tomorrow, for X amount of money today? Because I think I’ll have more money tomorrow to pay it back with, is the only real reason. If I borrow because I’m desperate and don’t plan to pay it back, that’s different.

    Why would I think I would have more money tomorrow? More importantly, why would the bank think that’s a good bet? Because our system requires constant, infinite expansion, of resources, markets, and money (ergo debt) supply. The problem we have is that we have run out of continents to plunder. Everyone who can afford a refrigerator and has a place to plug it in has a fridge, so we’ve run out of markets to expand. All that’s left to expand is the money supply, which can expand infinitely since money is abstract, and of course debt.

    We see the problems of infinite money and debt. Eventually, at some point, something has to be paid back. Without any expansion in resources or markets, that’s impossible. The Finance system has to have expansion, so it begins to eat itself. That’s where the fraud comes in.

    The only new markets are in reformulations of things we already have, manufactured scarcity, and planned obsolescence. The only new resources come from ruinously energy-costly sources, or force us to poison our climate to get them and use them. Money and debt, however, can be made infinite–as long as we pretend the debt can be paid back, which is what gives debt any value at all in the financial markets.

    We see all around us the signs that the debt cannot be paid back. The Federal Reserve would not be buying up bonds and swapping durations of bonds in “Operation Twist” if those bonds could be sold to investors. The Fed would not be spending $40 billion a month, and much more, to buy mortgage-backed bonds if they had any value to them at all. If they weren’t worthless, somebody else would buy them, as they did until mid-2007.

    The problem isn’t corruption in Finance. That’s a given. The problem is Finance itself. The idea has hit its natural limits. It’s over.

    Of course no politician can say this out loud, though I think they all know it’s true. People would absolutely freak out. We’re going to have the truth broken to us in tiny increments. Ice cream tubs get smaller at the same price. Investment funds steal their investors’ money and nobody goes to jail. Pensions just won’t be there to be paid out. Everyone’s future will be tied to the stock market, which is allowed to be gamed by insiders with faster computer connections, forcing to pay the most and sell for the least possible price each time.

    Eventually, one day, just as happened in the Soviet Union, nobody will show up. But it’s going to be really ugly between now and then, as people try to deny that they’ve been had and they have no wealth, no retirement money, no way to pay back what they owe, and nobody is going to fix it because it can’t be fixed.

  55. KT October 22, 2012 at 1:03 pm #

    P.S. I looked at the blurb for your new novel. It looks like the publisher’s promotional subhead is running into the beginning of the book synopsis. You should get the publisher to fix it. It’s hard to understand. (The book looks intriguing; Huck Finn in Manhattan?)
    Cheers.

  56. Radu Voda October 22, 2012 at 1:11 pm #

    The Bible says that we shall take up serpents. But this not enough – we must crush them as the Baby Hercules did.

  57. rippedthunder October 22, 2012 at 1:13 pm #

    Hi Nastarana, I have gardens and fruit trees on my income properties. I tell the tenants to help themselves. They won’t even pick the tomatoes. I throw most of the produce in the compost heap. I can’t eat it all. I would donate it to a shelter but they don’t want it either. The apples have spots, no pesticides, they want supermarket fruit from Washington. Screw them.

  58. pedal pusher October 22, 2012 at 1:20 pm #

    “The problem isn’t corruption in finance…the problem is finance itself.”
    Normally I don’t like lengthy comments (though I’ve been know to post a few myself) but this entry is quite definitive – well worth the read. Excellent stuff SWMNGUY!

  59. mila59 October 22, 2012 at 1:28 pm #

    How I wish I lived near you! I would happily take your extra produce. I applaud you for growing the stuff, anyway. Some day you’ll have a tenant who wants it. Spotty apples = applesauce. Yummy!
    Mila

  60. k-dog October 22, 2012 at 1:35 pm #

    The new president Milquetoast will be picked next month. We don’t know if the face will change for sure but status-QuObama will most likely stay. His inertia is strong and his opponent as devoid of character as he does not threaten his dynasty. Romney, devoid of charisma is no challenge Obama’s lack of it. Possession being nine tenths of the law will keep Obama in.
    Nothing will fundamentally change in the near future. Major systems on which everyday life depends will begin to squeak and wobble but duct tape and wishful thinking will keep failure away just a bit longer. Europe is experiencing twice the pain and is still holding together and we will take more too before we growl. But when unemployment doubles and reaches European levels flashing blue car lights long into the night will be seen in larger cities. Understanding and authentic civic intervention will yet be far away.
    It would be nice to think that lying to the people should be an impeachable offense would occur to someone then but sadly it will still be too early for that idea. We will be in double down mode.
    Actors of leadership have already failed us but the system which supports them remains. Systems that run everyday life can be clearly described and our government (corporate sock puppets) is one of them. And while it is subservient to the finance (federal reserve, wall street) system, it is not as fragile as finance because government is well armed.
    Hunger will not be noticed until people begin to starve to death. The delusion is great and the media (corporate sock puppets) disinformation system is unfortunately very robust in it’s current incantation.
    We don’t need change we can believe in. We need change that will keep us alive. But we are not going to get any kind of change anytime soon.
    K-Dog for president (because I don’t want hungry dogs)

  61. k-dog October 22, 2012 at 1:38 pm #

    is inertia is strong and his opponent as devoid of character as he, does not threaten his dynasty. Romney, devoid of charisma is no challenge to Obama’s lack of it.
    C-

  62. Radu Voda October 22, 2012 at 1:39 pm #

    Hillary Clinton takes “full responsibility” for the Benghazi massacre. So what does this mean – anything? Shouldn’t she step down or failing that, be booted out?

  63. Michigan Native October 22, 2012 at 1:43 pm #

    The question was posed, why would a multi millionaire like Romney wish to run for office?
    Hasn’t anyone seen that this cocksucker is a far right winged religious nutjob who will not hesistate to impose his views of morality on others whether they agree or not? On the issue of the use of medicinal marijuanna, he says he will fight any effort by the government at any level who tries to legalize the use of medicinal marijuanna “tooth and nail”. Other progressive social issues, he is clearly a step backwards. Next time some Mormom mother fucker comes up to me and tries to convert me, I will likely rip his head off and shit down his windpipe. Romney is deliberately being deceitful and evasive about his maniacal desire to impose his religious views on everyone else, make no mistake about it. Those people are just as sick as the Catholics, the Jehavo’s witnesses,the evangelical nutjobs, and all those other brainwashed hypocrites and assholes whose mission in life seems to be to be fucktards and try to impose their views and morality on others. The Bible in one hand, a in the other.
    He claims Russia is somehow america’s greatest threat and that he will not hesistate to stand up to the Russians. I wonder if the fact that all of his foreign policy advisors have dual US/Israel citizenship and that Russia is selling supersonic torpedoes and the most advanced anti aircraft system in the world, one that can see our multi million dollar “stealth” planes to Iran? Warfare with Iran is but a foregone conclusion after Romney is elected, or more likely, selected.WWIII is highly probable with China and Russia, and if so, nobody will have to worry about any more elections, period. They have been a joke and whoever gets in power will preside over a nation that collapsed on his watch.
    Just when you think Obama is the lesser of 2 evils, we read about more drone attacks,joint missile excercises with Poland with the intention of antagoinizing Russia, and the assult on your Constitutional and civil rights continues unabated with the NDAA and other measures which clearly indicate that the government knows collapse is imminent and plans to stop at nothing to maintain control. How many hundreds of millions of rounds of hollow point bullets did our “Department of Homeland Security” purchase and whom do they plan to use them on? Anyone who dissents, tries to break away from the fed, or resists handing over their money, assets, or wealth to the banks and creditors.
    Again, this debate is like listening to McDonald’s and Burger King argue over whose french fries are healthier. Nobody for president in 2012

  64. Treeman October 22, 2012 at 1:53 pm #

    Wardoc, like many, labours under the misapprehension that guns are banned in the UK. They are not. You need either a shotgun certificate or a firearms license of which there are several categories. A shotgun certificate is the right of every person of legal age without a criminal background. The only stipulation is that you must have a secure place to store it, normally a gun cabinet. The application process takes several weeks since plod( the police) cover the process and are slower than snails. A firearms certificate is given if you can prove a need for one. Such as deer hunting, pest control, membership of a target shooting club etc. Hand guns are a no go unless you have a cat 5 license which is the hardest to get. Me I live in very rural Wales and we grow some 70% of our food. Our crime rate is practically zero. But then this county has the highest level of gun ownership in the whole of the UK.

  65. Radu Voda October 22, 2012 at 1:53 pm #

    Here’s how it’s done – a true Overcomer. Ms Hruska was a passionate supporter of Mandala and a consultant once he came to power. After a few years she realized that the rainbow vision was a facade and that Whites were losing all rights. Now they are slipping towards genocide. According to Genocide Watch, they are at stage 6, the stage right before mass killing. Instead of just emmigrating and keeping mum, she is trying to warn the world so something can be done before it’s too late.
    Many Liberal Whites have run for their lives out of South Africa – but keep repeating the lies about how great everything is there. They just keep doing what they do because that’s what they do. Amnesty International also says nothing – they have fallen to the Dark Side of Political Correctness and will welcome the massacre of Whites.
    http://censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com/2012/10/ex-mandela-consultant-warns-of-white.html

  66. k-dog October 22, 2012 at 2:01 pm #

    It is Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela not Mandala.
    Careful there. Someone might get the impression you don’t know what the hell you are talking about.
    D-

  67. Radu Voda October 22, 2012 at 2:11 pm #

    People have told me of the deep dislike the Welsh have for outsiders. I assume this doesn’t extend to Blacks and Muslims, but only other to non Welsh Whites.
    And also the profound secrecy: people would die without ever telling their family about hidden money, etc.

  68. Radu Voda October 22, 2012 at 2:12 pm #

    Yeah and at tribal gatherings, he sings the Kill the Boer song too.
    You’re a fool.

  69. Radu Voda October 22, 2012 at 2:18 pm #

    You don’t deserve to be Dog Catcher. Rolihlahla – you are one sick pup. Can’t wait for White Genocide can ya?

  70. ozone October 22, 2012 at 2:19 pm #

    “Personally, I have no faith in either of them, and watching them pretend to battle in the trumped-up arena of “debate” makes me sick.” -JHK
    Jim,
    I’m sure you’ve noticed some of the same nausea in about half of the posters here (myself included).
    As for somebody speaking to “character” of the ‘Murkin populace, I got a good guffaw out of that gem. Look at the half of the posters who’ve not yet thought beyond politician-pickin’, race fascination, and hooray for the somebody who will run the modern world by i-device… shortly.
    “Character”? Delusional shitheads and propaganda organs made of meat. We’ll be dragged along, clawing and biting, by the sheer weight of numbers of these nincomtards and blinkered fools to feed a furnace of endless avarice.

  71. RJGrones October 22, 2012 at 2:20 pm #

    re: “..if we were psychologically disposed to process it, which we are not..” – That’s really it in a nutshell. If you talk to the people around you, or leave a comment on a chat board, suggesting people even begin to take the first steps to even attempt to even conceive of another way to live beyond the automobile (for example), you’re lambasted with complete and utter unmitigated vitriolic rejection at every turn (no pun intended). The automobile (and the tyrannical presence it has in our lives) represents how thoroughly and willingly human beings collectively, can be mentally programmed and controlled in mass..

  72. LifeSupport October 22, 2012 at 2:25 pm #

    Ruthless Kings Think All Kangaroos Should Be Gut Shot.
    That’s the memonic I’m currently using as an aid to remembering the names of the current SCOTUS justices. You know; just in case Jeopardy calls.
    The plutocrats have nearly completed their mission of vacuuming up the last of the cheap oil wealth, and are now working on shoring up the barricades that will protect them from the 99% (that’s us, by the way) after they retire to their sanctuary in Galt’s Gulch. All they really need is to install one or two more Supreme Court justices as a rear guard, and natural selection will sort the rest of us out. If they succeed, then coming up with a memonic to help me remember the new lineup will be the least of my worries. Okay, so probably even if they don’t; but still, it’s worth ten minutes of my time on November 6.

  73. ront October 22, 2012 at 2:36 pm #

    “…young Americans otherwise demoralized by an economy that has left so many of them stranded.”
    “Both candidates for president are devoted to sustaining the unsustainable and telling fairy tales about running the WalMart economy on “green” pixie dust.”
    Letter published in the local daily this month:
    Free-market capitalism as a basis for an economy is a perfectly fine system, so long as the culture it serves has as its primary aim the welfare and essential needs of all its members.
    For the last 30 to 40 years, the concerns of the business community and corrupted government agency officials have generally narrowed their aims to securing greater profits and wealth for one’s self and one’s own loved ones.
    This has allowed free-market capitalism to become a free pass for narrow-minded thinking and irresponsible behavior that results in greater inequality, misery and irreverence.
    People who are essentially hired to speak in favor of this outdated socioeconomic system are typically academics who partially blind many readers and listeners by flashing their credentials before launching their vague, convoluted, ignorant and heartless rhetoric.
    Until we become reacquainted with our innate connection with one another and embrace the wisdom and lasting values that stem from it, different systems will need to be employed. – (end letter)
    We won’t, “I’m afraid”, be listening to TweedleO or TweedleRO suggest any new or alternative systems, mainly because they are not listening to anyone offering them.
    “”debate” makes me sick” Ignorance and arrogance can have that effect.

  74. mistified October 22, 2012 at 2:37 pm #

    “The automobile (and the tyrannical presence it has in our lives) represents how thoroughly and willingly human beings collectively, can be mentally programmed and controlled…”
    Not really. Trains are where people are controlled. Trains and busses. And lets not forget planes, where if they feel like it, the TSA can run their hands in your pants.
    Trains, planes and busses are “collective”. Autos are singular. (Fucktard)

  75. anti soak October 22, 2012 at 2:40 pm #

    And vote for WHO?
    Obama put 2 young [comparatively] 100% unqualified
    female lefties up there, yes?

  76. anti soak October 22, 2012 at 2:43 pm #

    I saw an AI publication recently.
    When AI wasnt ‘money grubbing’ it was cheering for the nitemare called the Dream Act.
    Hows your lover Dale these days? Have you 2 reunited? Better benefits if you marry.

  77. RJGrones October 22, 2012 at 2:43 pm #

    Train: one engine pulling many cars. Car: one engine pulling one car. It’s an engineering issue friend. It’s about resources and sustainability..

  78. mistified October 22, 2012 at 2:44 pm #

    ““I’m afraid”, be listening to TweedleO or TweedleRO suggest any new or alternative systems…”
    So our Republic with representative democracy coupled with the freedom to go out a make a buck (or not) isn’t good enough? Lets hear about you brilliant “new or alternative system.”
    Strike that. Never mind. I don’t need no trip-ticket to fucktard-land.

  79. Treeman October 22, 2012 at 2:45 pm #

    We firmly believe in equality. We dislike everyone equally 😉 Stereotypes are wonderful aren’t they. For example all Americans are morbidly obese, all use copious amounts of drugs and from what we have seen on COPS have appalling dental problems! Except the police of course. Their teeth are perfect, must be one of the perks of the job. Like beating black men half to death in the street. I mean that is how you all are isn’t it?????
    I don’t envy you all in your election choice, still could be worse. You could have our politicians or even worse be members of the EU.
    As the Pythons would say Always look on the bright side!

  80. rippedthunder October 22, 2012 at 2:48 pm #

    I have so much applesauce now. It is just myself and my wife. I give the stuff away by the quart. I am happy if I get the jar back!

  81. mistified October 22, 2012 at 2:49 pm #

    ” It’s about resources and sustainability…”
    So what’s with the “mentally controlled” and “programmed” aspect of car ownership have to do with sustainability? It is the mere ranting of an imbecile. Now shut up and mind your own.

  82. RJGrones October 22, 2012 at 2:56 pm #

    Hurling insults on the board makes you a silly person, and your input unserious. Maybe you can do better and conduct your electronic self more like an adult one day if you can change, grow and mature.. ..and, maybe not. But give it a try friend.. Peace and good luck man..

  83. Radu Voda October 22, 2012 at 3:08 pm #

    What is the advantage of the raised bed?

  84. Radu Voda October 22, 2012 at 3:10 pm #

    As I thought. Btw (just in the remote case you care) the Producer of Cops changes the race on many of the cases from Black to White.

  85. Draupnir October 22, 2012 at 3:10 pm #

    The USD fiat currency is debt. When a bank issues a mortgage, for example, it creates new money out of thin air, but it creates only the principal, never the interest. These loans are not made by loaning out money accepted as deposits, as many of us might have been taught. They gamble with that, and if you wonder why your paycheck doesn’t show up in your account right away, it is because they are gambling with that too. If you think about the fact that only the principal was created for this loan you will realize that all of this debt in the system cannot actually be paid back and was never expected or intended to be paid back, because the money to pay both interest and principal never existed. Only the principal was created. This system was doomed to crash from its inception. Meanwhile, most recently, banks made their living by bundling your loan with your neighbors’ loans and selling them as an investment vehicle to investors, such as your retirement fund and China. This means that the bank has already been paid the principal for your loan. Now remember, the principal cost them nothing and was new money created out of thin air. It didn’t even have to be printed, as it is digital and only exists in the memories of computers. Having sold your loan, and already pocketed the principal that never existed until they issued the mortgage, the bank retained the right to administer the loan and payed itself the lions share of the interest collected. If you are one of those who defaulted on their loan and were foreclosed upon, the bank repossessed your home, even though it had already been paid the principal in full, and can now sell it again to the next sucker. This is just the most obvious fraud and your government has colluded with and enabled the banks every step of the way. Right now, the banks are living on accounting fraud and government handouts. They are sitting on their money and waiting for the big crash that will probably be arriving shortly after the election, then they will deploy that money they are sitting on to buy up everything of value from the destitute at pennies on the dollar, most of us live in penury for a decade or more, and then the cycle starts again.

  86. ront October 22, 2012 at 3:12 pm #

    “Lets hear about you brilliant “new or alternative system.”
    Strike that. Never mind. I don’t need no trip-ticket to fucktard-land.”
    Charming. :o)

  87. LifeSupport October 22, 2012 at 3:13 pm #

    Yes. Two more just like that would be fine with me.

  88. Radu Voda October 22, 2012 at 3:13 pm #

    What’s up with the hetero bashing? Calling staights gay should be a hate crime.
    You have alot of shadow work to do.

  89. endofworld October 22, 2012 at 3:13 pm #

    been in the oil business 35+ years–the oldtimers with huge sucess in the business believe there is unlimited oil–it will just cost a lot of money to get it–offset the price of gas by investing in oil stocks.but the folks on this blog probaly do not have an extra dime to spare….

  90. ASPO Article 1037 October 22, 2012 at 3:21 pm #

    OK; into the snake pit again…
    Mormons with a spirit of intellectual honesty may read & heed Mathew 7:15 & 24:11, respectively. Muhammadanism and Masons too…
    Mormonism is explainable as a franchise: see some contemporary sources. An early one is Mark Twain/Samuel Clemens’ “Roughing It”, see chapter on travels through the Salt Lake area. Clemens called things the way he saw them.
    Next, see Senator Frank J. Cannon’s “Under The Prophet In Utah”, an expose of the business model adopted by the LDS and brought to highest potential by Elder Willard. A contemporary work by Zane Grey: “Riders Of The Purple Sage” adds some Old West zing to the MBA theme in Senator Cannon’s expose’.
    The heresy and blasphemous nature of a false prophet is described in Walter R. Martin’s two volumes: “The Maze Of Mormonism” and “Counterfeit Religions”, respectively.
    Bill Schnoebelen’s “Temple Of Doom” book is a late entry, with some insights into the bizarro rituals suffered by LDS initiates.
    Revelations by Moroni include a book full of vanished North American cities, peoples supposedly related to lost tribes of Israel etc. DNA has flatly gives the lie to Moroni’s story on the North (Native) American Indians being descendants of Jews, and archeology has failed to uncover any remnants of any single one of dozens of ancient cities posited by Moroni. Middle East Archeology continues to uncover proof of the veracity of the REAL Bible-
    Mitt Romney is a product of a belief system built on deception. As Alan Ladd’s “Shane” put it: “I heard he’s low-down, yankee liar”! Judge for yourself.
    _________________
    But even Willard “Mitt” Romney is not beyond redemption. If Judas Iscariot can repent, so can The Great White Hope… Recant your false belief system; you’ve already got your money, and your family can do what they want with their share. Rethink the Bain methodology of tearing down manufacturing and infrastructure.
    The Mitt Romney of positive influence on and notable mention in, American History, will rebuild the railway matrix and revitalize the Postal Service, teamed together as before to assure Societal And Commercial Cohesion of the Union Of States through the Long Emergency. Help dad take a swing at THAT, Taggo.
    Rethinking Climate Shift (after due observation of shipping lanes across the North Pole) shall prompt our new Mitt to bring NAWAPA forward for all due haste reclamation of strategic aquifers needed for food independence.
    ______________
    The recent paragraph is not a likely narrative of a proven bully, prevaricator and arrogant man of financial predation. Only possible with God, a chronicle of supernatural rebirth of a person. A man born again.
    What about the incumbent?

  91. mistified October 22, 2012 at 3:32 pm #

    “Hurling insults on the board makes you a silly person,,,”
    In your eyes? Who cares, I’ve already established the fact that you sir, are a moron.

  92. LifeSupport October 22, 2012 at 3:36 pm #

    Among the many advantages of a raised bed is that it can provide cover in case you get into a firefight with veggie raiders. (Also enables you to perform tasks like weeding and so forth from a seated position; if you’re lucky, you’ll get to a point where little things like that count for a lot).

  93. k-dog October 22, 2012 at 3:40 pm #

    Mormon Small Clothes
    What does it mean? You are much more up on Mormons than I. One thing’s for sure, we don’t really know the hearts of either one of them, the Mormon or the Manchurian candidate except to know that the color is black.
    Seriously if you read all that Mormon Stuff please expand on the Mormon World View as you see it. It would be appreciated by thoughtful dogs here. Romney is obviously a pedantic man and a consumer of monoculture corne pone. The info is highly relevant.
    How do they treat their dogs? Do they think some dogs are better than other dogs?
    Inquiring dogs want to know.
    I do have a story about a kind deed I did for a Mormon once and the reaction to it but for now that story will wait.

  94. mila59 October 22, 2012 at 3:50 pm #

    How do they treat their dogs????
    In cages on the top of cars…for 800 miles at highway speeds…in abject terror…voiding their bowels in uncomprehending fear…
    K-dogs should steer clear.

  95. k-dog October 22, 2012 at 3:52 pm #

    Oh Yeah

  96. xhalor October 22, 2012 at 3:53 pm #

    “Middle East Archeology continues to uncover proof of the veracity of the REAL Bible…”
    ———————————————
    Which REAL version of which REAL bible of which REAL religion are you referring to?

  97. k-dog October 22, 2012 at 3:55 pm #

    Oh Yahweh.

  98. Jay October 22, 2012 at 4:16 pm #

    I see so many comments on how the two candidates for president are not discussing the truly critical problems facing the USA and the world. Of course not, they’re clueless. And if they did discuss the energy problem, the voters in this country would assume they were crazy and not to be trusted to lead anything. The “leaders” of all the countries in the world are clueless. You attribute evil intentions to too many of them. I truly believe that our world and our country, is run by “empty suits”. As soon as someone uses the “Green” word, you know that they are most definitely clueless, and haven’t really thought through about where mankind is headed. It’s too terrible for people to comprehend or accept what is going to happen when the fossil fuels are all used up. The world’s ecosystem will not be able to support 7 billion+ people. It’s going to drop down to around 2 billion, max. We are in for many years of chaos and turmoil. Green energy will never come close to replacing the energy we are consuming in the “oil age”. We are facing a bleak future, my friends.

  99. Widespreadpanic7 October 22, 2012 at 4:32 pm #

    Having read this weeks post, its a little odd, then, to relate to what I read yesterday in the Local Sunday Newspaper.
    1) Article about ‘cars that drive themselves’. That’s right, no humans needed. The auto companies will be rolling them out sooner rather than later. You just sit back and enjoy the ride while texting on your cellphone.
    2) In the real estate section, piece about young twentysomethings who are not wasting their time and resources buying small ‘starter home’s’ like in days past, but are moving right into the major leagues with Super McMansions straight away. What with the low rates and slightly depressed prices, you’d be a fool not to. Besides, the market is ‘coming back. These places are likely to double in value in the next decade! Skys the limit!
    3) Profile on local UTC Green Energy executive, who says, when it come to green energy, the future is bright. We have the technology right now to pretty much power up anything. All it will take is political will. And we will be off foreign oil before the decade is out.
    4) Even tho a new Basketball facility was built at UCONN in 1992, a new one is needed. Price tag: $200 million. And ground will be broken soon on a new Basketball Practice Facility … cost for that $150 million.
    5) A regent in the state community college system was paid $500,000 last year, plus a $50,000 bonus, 6 weeks paid vacation, a free car, moving expenses, meal allowance, and other unnamed perks. And this is a do nothing, political appointment.
    That’s just for starters, Jim. Nothing in there about this place falling apart. On the contrary, things are looking up. The future is bright!!!
    –WSP7

  100. k-dog October 22, 2012 at 4:33 pm #

    “You attribute evil intentions to too many of them.”
    Tell that to all our children living in poverty. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck it’s a fucking duck.
    Other than that I can’t really disagree with anything in your comment. I wish I could and I’m sure you wish you could too.

  101. k-dog October 22, 2012 at 4:34 pm #

    My last comment was for you Widespreadpanic crashed the line.
    Hi Widespread.

  102. Widespreadpanic7 October 22, 2012 at 4:47 pm #

    Hey Ripthunder why should your tenants pick fresh vegetables from the garden when they can get everything they need from the local market with food stamps. Now if you were growing Kool Cigarettes, Malt 40 ouncers, or Mad Dog 20/20, then it would be a different story.
    –WSP7

  103. Widespreadpanic7 October 22, 2012 at 4:49 pm #

    Hey K-Dog.
    Hows the campaign going?
    –WSP7

  104. Radu Voda October 22, 2012 at 5:32 pm #

    The first one sounds plausible – the second not so much since a stool can be very low indeed.
    But there must be a primary and original agricultural reason for the raised bed.

  105. anti soak October 22, 2012 at 5:48 pm #

    Can you repost the link to the ‘goings on in pre Columbian Mexico’?

  106. anti soak October 22, 2012 at 5:50 pm #

    Good Lawd! New Sports arena, Old was turns 20, tear it down, float some bonds.
    Maybe send yr City council pix of that old gun factory you went looking for.

  107. anti soak October 22, 2012 at 5:53 pm #

    RJ, our ‘dear’ OEO, Notmommy, s/he of ‘the many names’ plays ‘Im rubber, yr glue’, so be careful.
    [lest ye be one more fktard of his or hers].

  108. Stephen Daedalus October 22, 2012 at 5:56 pm #

    “Like beating black men half to death in the street.” Now come on Tree. Our fat asses capture them and beat them behind the shed away from the roving big brother cameras. In return, they “flash mob” a store in full view of cameras and nobody gets arrested.

  109. xport October 22, 2012 at 6:12 pm #

    Good post on the financial sector of the current system. Tonight we have the latest installment of the punch and judy show called a debate. SNL has been making great comedy with the format, and it is currently the Greatest Show On Earth, since so much hangs in the balance. But as you point out there is no true winner and loser, the system is broken and the so called holders of wealth want a scenario that keeps them in the cat bird seat.
    So we take the slow ride to perdition, or the express, depends on what ticket you pull.

  110. LifeSupport October 22, 2012 at 6:24 pm #

    For my back, the optimum height for a garden stool could only be expressed as a negative number. Anyway. Other advantages are reduced compaction, improved drainage, and better control of soil conditions, amendments, etc. I find that there is an aesthetic element as well.
    It’s not an absolute requirement, of course. The whole trick is integrating the activity into your life in a way that works for YOU. If you have the time and inclination to experiment, or if it’s primarily a recreational activity, there are no rules. But gardening for your life is a whole different deal.

  111. Ixnei October 22, 2012 at 6:42 pm #

    I swear, I read these weekly blogs by JHK, and it’s as if he’s reading my mind! Does the collective consciousness open up during critical times? At any rate, their exponential consumption/depletion, their exponential rat breeding, and their exponential pollution/destruction has not wavered for nearly half a century…

  112. Radu Voda October 22, 2012 at 7:26 pm #

    Do you have seeds for those kinds of plants?

  113. Oz Mikw October 22, 2012 at 7:40 pm #

    From across the ocean in the antipodes we are fed a steady diet of up to the minute coverage of the US Election campaign. Same stodge and delusional spin by our mediocre local politicians. Nobody but nobody understands; we live on a finite planet, that entropy is king, you can’t escape the laws of thermodynamics and as species we have been living on the planets credit card, except and unlike money, it cannot be imagined or whipped up from nothing. So this US elections campaign continues to impress, Big Love v the Big O is how we see it here. The time has passed to change, only local will survive and if your not handy with a shovel and fork and know the difference between what is edible and what is not and how to make the basics then your in for a very rough time. Should be about 300 million of us left in about 50 years. Hell is coming indeed, we have made it! A world made by hand!

  114. Radu Voda October 22, 2012 at 7:52 pm #

    Why did you attack me about Dale? I was just about to ask I wonder what Dale is doing and gloat about his complete defeat – and you ruined it.
    You have to try and understand your real motivation. I know about my monster aspect. But you don’t seem to know about your’s.
    It’s not my fault Mexican Indians ate each other. The allies of the Spanish did the same thing. So why the tomahawk in the head?

  115. Radu Voda October 22, 2012 at 7:56 pm #

    Now that makes sense. Thanks.
    The Inuit considered vegtables unfit for human consumption. And they were among the healthiest people on Earth. Now they are eating junk food and going down hill rapidly.

  116. Radu Voda October 22, 2012 at 8:04 pm #

    Say no to Gay Marriage. It just opens up the door to law suits and persecution against Heterosexuals who disagree with it.
    The Gays can have all the same civil rights without this.

  117. progress4spam October 22, 2012 at 8:04 pm #

    “Personally, I have no faith in either of them, and watching them pretend to battle in the trumped-up arena of “debate” makes me sick.”
    -jhk’s last paragraph for this week-
    Me too, JHK, me too.
    I think the word is beginning to spread. It’s sure to be too little, too late for this election, but one can sense people beginning to wake from the brainwashing.
    And if no less a source than Forbes magazine can assertively question the two-party narrative – perhaps there is yet a little hope.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2012/10/22/frightened-republicans-try-to-shut-down-election-competitors/
    Comments to this Forbes article are very interesting. Some of the Forbes commentors would be right at home here at CFN.

  118. rippedthunder October 22, 2012 at 8:05 pm #

    Howdy Wsp, my folks are not so much like that.They just don’t care for the homegrown stuff. My girl is vegan and she even rags about my spotted apples,squash, and tomatoes. Screw that shit. Cut off the brown or get out of town. No poison for me thanks.

  119. progress4spam October 22, 2012 at 8:20 pm #

    Very nice “snake in the garden” analogy, too.
    I meant to compliment you on it.
    And, as always, thanks for your week’s work and for this comment thread, JHK.
    ========================
    There is a meme afloat in the land that Obomber, Mittens, and all the rest KNOW THE EXACT TRUTH and are simply lying to the ‘Merkin People.
    There is no doubt that one has to be a consummate liar to rise in politics. HOWEVER, just because a person lies habitually and well does NOT mean that he really knows REAL TRUTH and simply refuses to tell it.
    In other words, I think our politicians are just as reality-impaired as is the average citizen.
    The politicians may even be MORE poorly informed, living in the lands of memos, briefings, and binders – as they do.
    ======================
    And, again, I’m planning to vote for the Libertarian Party – mainly because those guys are the only alternative to Demoncrats and Republinuts that is actually ON THE BALLOT in Georgia.
    I’ve got a strong suspicion that a write-in vote would just be discarded, here in DieBold Nation.
    Sorry ’bout that, K-Dog.
    Maybe in 4 years I can write you in, if civilization makes it that much longer.

  120. asoka_ October 22, 2012 at 8:29 pm #

    LOL!
    Sorry, Jay. I know you would be happier if the bottom was falling out of the economy and you could imagine a Black Swan event was happening. But the markets are not cooperating. Things are getting better and better. More jobs being created. Housing values returning. Leading Economic Index up. Damn. And we were all hoping for a giant collapse and a civil war, complete with pitch forks and hangings!
    Here is the reality, yet again:
    There are very strong indicators that the world is actually getting better for the majority of humanity–fewer wars, lower crime rates, incredible advances in communication, a dramatic democratization of information that promises to catalyze social transformation on a global scale… and the list goes on. Not to mention the steady rise of integral consciousness all across the planet, bringing us ever-closer to a cultural “tipping point”, in much the same way we saw with rational modernism during the European Renaissance, and postmodern pluralism in the 1960’s. This “tipping point” will allow us to find and enact integral solutions for our 21st century problems, with the measure of complexity, compassion, and consciousness that they demand.
    Needless to say, this is very good news.

  121. swmnguy October 22, 2012 at 8:40 pm #

    Yes, indeed, what we now think of as “money” is key to the entire fraud we are subjected to.

  122. swmnguy October 22, 2012 at 8:42 pm #

    Thank you for the kind words. I agree about long comments. Sometimes it’s hard to keep it short, as our words have been drained of meaning. Unless one goes on at length, there’s a great risk of cliche and meaninglessness. If I were a better writer I could be shorter about it. I try. Thanks again!

  123. swmnguy October 22, 2012 at 8:49 pm #

    Yes, it’s tough to know how to act on the road to perdition; whether to hope for a fast or slow ride. I suppose, like all other man-made paradigms, they pass anyway. We as people go on, though. What matters is how we act and treat each other, I think. Everyone talks about how Rome fell, and how similar today’s US is to the Rome of (pick your date) early AD. I don’t know about that. I do know I’ve been lucky enough to go to Rome. It’s full of people, who consider themselves Romans. They’re living their lives, taking care of babies, running errands, doing as Romans do, as far as I could tell. It’ll be the same for us. The collapse of Finance will be hard for many of us, but it doesn’t have to be perdition, or at least, we don’t have to be bad to one another over it all.

  124. Radu Voda October 22, 2012 at 8:57 pm #

    Lance Armstrong – his life is a tribute to success at any price.
    Cheerleading – the most dangerous sport of all. Who cheers for them? And if they acquired cheerleaders, who would cheer for them and so on. An infinite regress. At some point someone has to do just do their job with no fanfare. No frills and high flips – it’s not worth it if nobody cares.

  125. Zed Leppt In October 22, 2012 at 9:08 pm #

    Remember Romney’s recent photo op in front of a group of grimey coal miners? Those were Murray Energy miners orderred to be there by management. “The New Republic” has an article on this company, the largest private coal mining company in the USA, and CEO Robert Murray’s zealous support for GOP candidates. Managers at the company are coerced into donating to Murray’s super PAC or risk being passed over for bonuses and promotions or being outright demoted. All hourly employees are strongly advised to sign up to have 1% of their pay deducted as a PAC contribution and division managers are pitted against one another to see who can garner the highest contribution rate from their staff. Contractors also are targeted for donations backed with thinnly veiled threats of being barred from bidding on work. And then there are the corporate letters Murray distributes to all employees which list which candidates are to be voted for in each district with a warning that if Obama gets reelected, many miners will have to be fired, period! No explanation why, just a manipulative threat to keep everyone on-edge and fearful.
    So who’s going to mine the coal if Obama wins and Murray makes good on his threat? The British Columbia mining industry may offer a hint of unsavory things to come. The province’s labor unions have been in an uproar lately over revelations that three new coal mines, all owned by a company started by a former Chinese government official living in Vancouver, is recruiting 2000 Chinese nationals to come to Canada under Temporary Foreign Worker visas to staff these operations. The Canadian Dehua Mines Co. Ltd. placed ads for coal miners on a Canadian federally run job posting site but claims no qualified candidates could be found despite the fact that Canada has been mining coal for over a century and is full of experienced coal miners. Close inspection of the job skill requirements listed in the postings reveal one odd item, namely “Other Languages: Mandarin” in the ads. They want Mandarin speakers to mine coal in Canada.
    A representative of “The Tyee”, a local news provider, applied for one the jobs with Mandarin qualifications to fish out more details. The recruiting agency claimed that an upfont fee of $4700 had to be paid with an additional $7700 to be paid out over 20 months (it is illegal to charge fees in exchange for employment in Canada). The maximum pay is $25 an hour – BC coal miners earn $34 an hour. A valid mining certificate or letter of reference from a mining firm is required, however, this can be substituted with a letter of reference provided by the recruiter for a $160 training fee. The recruiter also said workers could apply for Canadian citizenship after 4 years of employment and that their families could join them after 6 months. The mines are in remote areas and staff would be housed in company bunk houses, so they likely will have little contact with the natives who will probably be less than hospitable towards the newcomers anyway.
    Letting my imagination run amok for a moment, I’ve fashioned a future fantasy in which I play a sinister Chinese mining magnate looking to expand the globe-encircling resource-hungry tentacles of the Peoples Republic. With bribes to the appropriate party officials in place, passenger jets with blacked-out windows are loading up with Chinese prison inmates about to embark on their mandatory work release training program. I tell them they will be sent to a distant corner of China, but, in fact, will be flown to some far off resource-rich country governed by cooperatively bribable officials. After taxiing to a deserted strip of runway nowhere near the airport terminal, the inmates are loaded directly onto buses with opaque windows and driven through the night to their new work camp, a compound surrounded by motion-sensored razor wire fencing and gaurd towers with machine gun nests. Coal, tin, bauxite, whatever riches the Earth offers up here, will be sent over Chinese built rails to a Chinese owned port and loaded into Chinese ore carriers bound for the motherland. Who knows, one day one of those far off lands may turn out to be Nova Scotia or West Virginia or Western Austrailia. If I can conjure such a fantasy, surely others have too.
    May we all live in interesting times.

  126. Zed Leppt In October 22, 2012 at 9:34 pm #

    Attention all collapsniks and catastrophiles: There is a brilliant short film that just came out on Vimeo that you will certainly enjoy. “The Origin of Creatures” is a delightfully creepy little parable about bizarre new lifeforms that emerge from the ruins of a devastated city and begin an ambititious plan to reorder their surroundings in way that is doomed to collapse. It’s a new twist on the Tower of Babel myth channeled through an imagination that conjures up eerie visuals hinting at David Lynch’s “Eraserhead” and John Carpenter’s “The Thing”. These “things” may give you a phantom sensation of disembodied fingers scuttling up your trouser legs.
    http://vimeo.com/51198548

  127. Radu Voda October 22, 2012 at 9:36 pm #

    When the debate shows the split screen with both Romney and Obama, is Obama not shown as bigger? As if the camera is a bit closer?

  128. jeff z October 22, 2012 at 9:50 pm #

    Hi zoidon,
    Sorry it’s taken me this long to reply- I was reading Jim’s post on my phone on the bus on teh way to work and saw- no comments! Couldn’t believe my luck- so I put in a short reply with my blog address attached and went to work. I didn’t realize anyone would actually respond.
    The material for the beds cost me $300 all told- that’s for 4″x6″ cedar and 12″ galvanized spikes, and stainless lag bolts. Yes, it’s a bit pricey, but it’s less than half a months’ rent for one apartment, and a way less than one new i-phone. And it’ll outlast the i-phone by at least 20 years.
    But really, what good are the federal reserve notes going to do me in the mid-distant future? Better to build in some food security for the tenants, and hope that it means that the good ones will stay. I have at-grade beds in my own garden, but the soil doesn’t have the same issues in my backyard.
    The responsibility to protect the food that is grown is theirs. But there are a lot of windows looking out over that (back yard, by the way) garden, and a motion-activated light, so thieves had better be quick.

  129. jeff z October 22, 2012 at 10:00 pm #

    Nastarana-
    I think we are on the same side here. If you’d followed the link, I think you would have seen the answer to your questions- re:
    “Garden beds are a wonderful thing, but are you for real or not? Reality check time.
    If you own income producing property, do you prevent or disallow your tenants from growing gardens?
    If you have influence in your town, county or city, are you willing to oppose attempts to prevent back AND frontyard gardens?
    Do you go to campaign events and ask candidates, including those for local offices, if they are willing to support localized, sustainable food production? If you are an office holder yourself, are you willing to understand that by now localized food production, including in people’s own yards, whether they are land owners OR renters, is not something to be traded away.”
    Yes to all of the above. I’ve gardened for years in my own back and front yards. The beds I just built are for use by the renters, free of charge.
    I’ve spent a great deal of time, and heartache and backache in the last two years, to start a community garden in my neighborhood. I’ve written to the governor of my state, and my state senator and rep, and got quite a few others to do the same when the state department of transportation tried to block the creation of our community garden. Incidentally, it was the column written by a pundit at the Minneapolis newspaper that changed their mind.
    So yes- I have put my money where my mouth is. I’ve also put my time and back into it. Have you?

  130. jeff z October 22, 2012 at 10:16 pm #

    Hi Wardoc,
    I also agree with you in principle. I wouldn’t hesitate to defend my food source in the future, as it will be the source of life at some point. I’ve shot guns in the past, and probably will again. No hesitation there.
    But what may be missing is the understanding that it’s not just force or the threat of force that will secure your food supply. Everyone has to sleep eventually, and every corner can’t be patrolled constantly.
    Camouflage is key. I’ve gardened at a community garden for years, and notice what thieves take. It’s the high-profile stuff that they can identify easily, take quickly and eat or use without much effort. Tomatoes, mostly and pumpkins or other squash sometimes, maybe by kids who want to smash them.
    The solution to that? Grow green or yellow tomatoes that don’t look ripe, even when they are. Hide squash under some big leaves or put dirt on them so they look rotten. Grow potatoes and turnips- nobody’s going to steal them- too much work for too little flavor- but lots of calories and vitamins for the hard-working gardener!
    Survival is more than guns and gold. Thieves are usually stupid and lazy. They want what’s fast to grab and tasty. If someone is truly hungry enough to dig for potatoes, I’ll let them have them, at least for now. I’ve never heard of anyone around here stealing from community gardens in order to sell the produce, but I’ll keep my ears open.

  131. Buck Stud October 22, 2012 at 10:34 pm #

    There’s a good reason why nobody is paying attention to the election this year except the people who, one way or another, get paid to be interested: because for all that’s at stake there is no coherent discussion about any of it.

    I’m tempted to ask are esteemed host what the debate host should ask one candidate in particular: Do the facts even matter anymore?
    Good grief, JHK, 67 million people watched the first debate. And early voting in states such as North Carolina and Ohio has been off the charts.
    But then again, maybe this was a fiction post?

  132. Buck Stud October 22, 2012 at 10:35 pm #

    * OUR*

  133. Zed Leppt In October 22, 2012 at 10:37 pm #

    “The “leaders” of all the countries in the world are clueless…. and haven’t really thought through about where mankind is headed.”
    I read about a university psychological experiment a few years ago that tested random subjects for the ability to voluntarily restrain their natural covetous desire to snatch up a desirable, but limited, resource when others have equal access to that resource. Six people are seated around a table and isolated from each other by partitions that prevent them from interacting with each other. All have access to a bowl of cashew nuts in the center of the table which is the only thing they can see in front of them. The overseer tells each participant to feel free to help themselves to nuts anytime and that at each count of 60 seconds the number of nuts remaining in the bowl will be doubled. Inevitably one person takes one or a few nuts which immediately leads to the remaining five also reaching in for a nosh. Eventually, someone takes more than their perceived “fair share” and suddenly all hands scramble to clean out the bowl before someone else gets all the goodies first. In test after test with different people the bowl was empty before the first 60 second mark.
    Maybe our leaders aren’t as “clueless” as they are greedy, envious, and impatiently aquisitive.

  134. Radu Voda October 22, 2012 at 10:56 pm #

    One important difference in the candidates – Obama seems much less likely to start a war with Iran or support Israel in doing so. Not that Obama is in control or that Romeny will be, but perhaps they are under the influence of two different groups of Globalists. Obama, under the control of the CFR, Brezinski, etc. Romeny, a pure Jewish Neo Con zoid.
    Jews are well represented in the CFR of course, but the will tend not to be the Zionist fanatics that the Neo Cons are.

  135. Zed Leppt In October 22, 2012 at 11:06 pm #

    “what the debate host should ask one candidate in particular”
    If, after all these weeks of preparing for the debates, the candidates haven’t written up a simple fact sheet clearly delineating their planned objectives for the major issues facing the nation’s future and its governance, then they should be deemed unfit to occupy the executive office. Such a document should be mandatory and provide a basic outline of each law or regulation that the candidate intends to enact, revoke, or modify and it should be available to the moderator, the press and the debate audience. Tit-for-tat bickering and jockeying for one-upmanship points hardly seems an appropriate means of proving ones ability to rally the congress and senate into an effective governing body that will work for the best interset of the nation.
    The choices presented in this contest is less appealing than choosing which deodorizer scent should be hung above an overflowing latrine during an August heat wave.

  136. Buck Stud October 22, 2012 at 11:26 pm #

    Zed Lept IN,
    Actually, if you visit the websites of the candidates they will tell everything they plan on doing in legible text.
    But that’s not what these debates are about. They’re about appealing to the “one-upmanship and tit-for tat ” as you wrote. In other words, who can appeal to the largest percentage of low-info voters. It’s truly a sad state of affairs.
    BTW, love your writing as always.

  137. anti soak October 22, 2012 at 11:58 pm #

    ‘The province’s labor unions have been in an uproar lately over revelations that three new coal mines, all owned by a company started by a former Chinese government official living in Vancouver, is recruiting 2000 Chinese nationals to come to Canada under Temporary Foreign Worker visas to staff these operations.’
    Welcome to the new world order.
    Diversity is chaos [.com]
    And BC took in alot of folks from Hong Kong, with predictably disastrous results.

  138. anti soak October 23, 2012 at 12:01 am #

    See a book, ‘Put yr Best Foot Forward’.
    The ‘crossing at a red light’ experiment. Very similar study.

  139. Nastarana October 23, 2012 at 12:05 am #

    It looks nice. Mainly, that’s it.
    If you live in an exclusive suburb where fancy landscaping is de rigeur, or if you are disabled, and you want to be able to reach garden beds from a wheelchair, the expense might be worthwhile.
    Osage Orange, a thorny native shrub, was used for hedging in the midwest by early settlers.

  140. Shakazulu October 23, 2012 at 12:19 am #

    “Ruthless Kings Think All Kangaroos Should Be Gut Shot.”
    And nice kings think Kangaroos should only be shot for their meat; one quick shot to the head.

  141. Nastarana October 23, 2012 at 12:23 am #

    Dear Jeff Z,
    You get hero of the week award.
    Where I live, approx. 9 out of every 10 property owners won’t hear of tenants haveing gardens. I brought this up with a lady who is head of Slow Food in our area. I never saw such back pedaling. “The average length of tennancy is 1 1/2 years” she bleated. “I am having meetings with the mayor to identify empty lots where we can put community gardens”, she whined. Meetings with the mayor, yet, to let me know how important she is. Needless to say, no plots have been set aside. It is because of fools like her that people think the sustainable food movement is elitist.

  142. LifeSupport October 23, 2012 at 12:34 am #

    I guess maybe I should worry more about veggie raiders. It’s a bit too zombie apocalypse for my usual taste, but I like to think I’m adaptable. The denizens of post-peak society will surely include many who will be experiencing, for the first time, life-or-death drama in their own lives, rather than vicariously through the lives of fictitious characters on flickering screens. But trying to predict how they’ll act is an exercise with a certain recursive quality.
    My default assumption is many of them will be relying heavily on the quasi-experience their extensive screen time provides (as veterans of countless desperate situations they were never actually in), but as soon as I begin running that mental simulation, there I am sitting in front of the little TV in my mind declaring, just as I so often did when I was ten years old, just what I would or would not do if I were the character on the screen — this time, confronted with protecting my precious veggies from the ravages of hunger-crazed, TV-conditioned zombies.
    Where I live, the only time you really need to lock your car (for now, anyway) is toward the end of summer. If you don’t, you’re likely to return to find your back seat filled with bags of zucchinis so big you could use them to club an ox. (Actually, I don’t think I’ve ever seen an ox, except on TV).

  143. spaz October 23, 2012 at 12:45 am #

    Watched the debates as a worn out lazy fool with nothing better to do but analyze the predictable emptiness. That people have the tastelessness to use serious voices in such a useless dumb format and spectacle – it’s all torture.
    The future is poverty, obedience, secret police and is here earlier than you think –
    manufactured out of the bones of a dying species and world run and over-populated by sociopaths and worse.
    The future is murder. -Leanord Cohen
    Life has been hard enough – if only the government would eventually hand out a humanitarian pill for the sensitive spirits without kids who say uncle.

  144. anti soak October 23, 2012 at 1:13 am #

    ‘Leanord’ eh?The aptly names Spaz.
    Just when I think ive seen it all:
    UNITED NATIONS Partner to Monitor U.S. Elections for Voter …
    http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/united-nations…us-elections…voter...
    15 hours ago – Free Polls, Questions, and Answers, News Discussions – … the NAACP and the ACLU, among other groups, warned this month in … These activist groups sought assistance not from American sources, but from the United Nations,” … Many on the right want voter ID laws precisely ?to? ensure fair …………..
    ACLU/NAACP dont want voter ID, but do want UN flunkies to monitor our elections.

  145. thaddeus thurston thistlethwaite III October 23, 2012 at 1:36 am #

    The hell with the debates – The SF Giants are in the World Series! FEAR THE BEARD!
    Glad I watched the game instead of the debates.
    Thad

  146. rapier October 23, 2012 at 5:29 am #

    Actually interest in the election is high. The debate audiences have been very large. People are paying attention, to the show. Not to promote or defend the abject political process but the basic premise of this article is wrong. People are paying attention. Assuming some replay of 2000 doesn’t happen the system will retain legitimacy for a majority of voters and a significant plurality of the population.

  147. Widespreadpanic7 October 23, 2012 at 7:15 am #

    “Fear the Beard?” — TTT III
    I’m not a SF Giants fan, but isn’t ‘The Beard’ on the DL?
    Rather, I’d say fear the best starting pitcher and the best all around hitter in the Major Leagues.
    The Tigers have to be a boost, albeit a temporary one, for the City of Detroit. I was such a fan of that team when I was a kid to this day I can name almost the entire roster of the ’68 Detroit Tigers. There is Denny McClain, whose inherent personal flaws instigated a fate as tragic as anything described by Euripides or Aristophones. And the Great Eddie Mathews had a role on that club.
    –WSP7

  148. BeingThere October 23, 2012 at 7:26 am #

    Israel likes me better
    What a debate. Romney has moved so far to the left there’s really no air between he and Obama at this point!
    (if you know what I’m referring to. Obama said he wanted some air between I and the US some time ago.)
    OK if Israel and the ME is the main issue of the debate why wouldn’t Obama point our that Romney has chosen the neocons–you know the guys who brought you Iraq and Afghanistan.
    That’s the ticket. Let’s do that little tango again.
    Why couldn’t Obama point all this out?
    John Bolton will be sec’y of state. Dan Senor is his advisor. BTW that’s the only reason he can discuss the ME at all. And remember Bibi and Mitt are joined at the hip! They were each fighting over how close they are to Israel.
    I still believe that Romney wants to win this thinggy whatever it is more than Obama.
    Note to Rapier. Read Greg Palast if you want to know how an election can be handily stolen and it probably will. At least we know what the Plutocrats want for XMAS!

  149. EndofMore October 23, 2012 at 7:33 am #

    Whether chatting with a group of friends or taking art in a presidential debate, bringing up the subject of climate change, population control or energy depletion (subjects all interrelated) has the same effect: everyone starts running for the door.
    So we’d better face up to the truth, neither Obama or Romney can fix climate change. Paper over a few cracks maybe to make it look as if things are OK, but they’re not OK. They are driven by the same forces as everybody else, they have a job and want to keep it, ranting on about climate change will mean certain redundancy so they keep on deluding people for a few more years and hang on to office.
    For the reality of all this, look to the previous incumbent of the White House
    George W was heavily involved in the oil industry, and not exactly eco friendly.
    But check out what he arranged for his own situation. The Bush ranch functions totally off grid, you just have to be able to afford it that’s all
    http://newscastmedia.com/blog/2011/03/09/living-off-the-grid-gains-popularity-as-an-efficient-way-of-living-in-america/

  150. Widespreadpanic7 October 23, 2012 at 7:42 am #

    I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when Eddie Mathews and Al Kaline talked about hitting.
    Ibendet, why do you waste your time watching those stupid Presidential debates? The last good debates occurred between Lincoln-Douglas in Illinois in the late 1850s. Its been all downhill since then.
    –WSP7

  151. budizwiser October 23, 2012 at 8:26 am #

    JK,
    Good for you – a well written rant complete with an ending hook – using snakes as metaphor no less.
    I share your disgust and frustration with the ocean sized disconnect between our political reality and the thing that matter.
    Ah – yes America – the best last case for a chance at a democratic existence. Subverted, perverted, reverted to a comsumer-demo-shrinkwrap-filled sack of shit-speaking ass holes – each one just a little more full of himself than the next.
    Listening to many compatriots around the net – the one’s who have already “got mine” – you can see that they too agree the jig is nearly up – and even they don’t know exactly what kind mote to build or fence to construct or boat or island to buy or what else to do.
    Your frustration is shared by many. But ignored by a billion more …….

  152. ozone October 23, 2012 at 9:49 am #

    Thierry Mayssan (Perry Mason’s long-lost French twin) has written a small article to try and dispel some of the smoke blown up our poopchutes about what the [s]election really means and how it really works. Here’s a couple slices:
    “When George W. Bush resided in the White House, no one seriously imagined that so uneducated and incompetent a man could actually exercise power. It was thought that a team of advisors discretely exercised it for him. When Barack Obama succeeded him, and since he was thought to be more intelligent it was believed that he was truly in charge. But how can it be assumed that the team that exercised power under Bush would spontaneously renounce it under Obama?”
    “…we vaguely sense that there is more to the Obama-Romney [teleprompter-readers] Show than meets the eye, that something really is being decided. And it is. In the constitutional system of the U.S., the primary function of the president is to name over 6000 appointees to public office. This political rotation effectively entails a vast migration of elites. In the current context, thousands of high-level functionaries and tens of thousands of assistants and advisors could possibly be discharged and largely replaced by appointees from the Bush era. The presidential election determines the personal careers of all these people and brings with it the corrupt bidding process that favors this or that multinational. Indeed, there are real reasons for investing money, a whole lot of money, in this contest.”
    “The ongoing dilemma of the U.S. ruling class is to find the right teleprompter reader, the one who can most convincingly explain away the upcoming political turnarounds.”
    *************************************
    Cynical, you say? Okay, what is there about this circus NOT to be cynical about? When unearthed, the carefully hidden/disguised processes and agendas stink as bad as fresh kimchee.

  153. orbit7er October 23, 2012 at 10:41 am #

    DemocracyNow has done a stellar job in providing a forum for truly alternative views in their expanded debates including the Green, Justice and Constitution Parties providing reality-based responses to the Debate:

    http://democracynow.org

    Before seeing Rocky Anderson speak in New Jersey I gave him the excellent Peak Oil poster of oilage and asked him if he believed in Peak Oil. He said he DID believe in Peak Oil. Green public transit is coming up more and more on progressive agendas as one of the most important things to deal with Climate Change.

    Just as Nixon did in 1968 with his “Secret Plan to end the War” Romney flipped flopped and claimed he was for “Peace” and wanted to get out of Afghanistan by 2014 like Obama. The US will get kicked out of all these places in time as we have been kicked out of 90% of Latin America.

    But meanwhile visiting down in Clearwater Florida they have made a total botch of transit. I19 is now a series of billion dollar overpasses with obscure service roads which are totally unnavigable for anyone who has not taken them 10 times just gobbling up acres and acres and acres of what had been Orange Groves or at least scrub pine. I took Amtrak in 25 hours from New York which is still maintaining its 1st class service and excellent dining car from the mid-20th Century. But 25 hours is just insane!

    When I arrived there is NO Green public transit from the train station or airport to Clearwater or its beautiful beach. $70 taxi ride or $27 super shuttle which makes multi stops….

  154. rippedthunder October 23, 2012 at 10:56 am #

    rippedthunder

  155. rippedthunder October 23, 2012 at 11:01 am #

    come on Lifesupport, you have never seen an OX? that sounds like a bad Yoke!

  156. ozone October 23, 2012 at 11:21 am #

    Tune in tonight for the real debate that both prompter-reading heads of the Corporatocracy have been contractually excluded from. (…And, yes, O’Romney was invited.)
    http://freeandequal.org/
    It will be interesting to see if any of our concerns are going to be voiced.

  157. mistified October 23, 2012 at 11:43 am #

    “Those were Murray Energy miners orderred to be there by management. ”
    Sorry old Zeddy, but you posting has been discredited by the very miners themselves. Who penned a letter directed at our fearless leader telling him, in a nice way (of course), to go piss up a rope.
    Any other lies for our readership?

  158. mistified October 23, 2012 at 11:49 am #

    “So we’d better face up to the truth, neither Obama or Romney can fix climate change. ”
    What a fucking nincompoop. You are suggesting that someone /anyone could? What a moron.

  159. ozone October 23, 2012 at 12:05 pm #

    We gots yer “jobs” fer yez, right here.
    (What, no cubicle??)
    http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/10/big-smart-green-farming/
    ***************************

  160. LifeSupport October 23, 2012 at 12:09 pm #

    Don’t think so. But I have seen a GNU.

  161. Drew Keeling October 23, 2012 at 12:15 pm #

    Not to take issue with the general drift here, but two fallacies burden the analysis: (1) Modern mass production and merchandising evolved to take advantage of cheap energy, but that does not necessarily mean that economies of scale no longer exist or that all large economic actors will become extinct as energy gets more expensive. They could, and in some cases probably will, evolve. The Roman Empire lasted some centuries without cheap fossil fuel. Other large -scale structures are imaginable going forward in the 21st century without requiring military autocracy, low population density or cheap energy. (2) Similarly, the demise of some financial institutions, or even an entire currency and credit system, does not mean that money and intermediation themselves are thereby uninvented, any more than the fall of Rome meant the end of military power as a force in history.

  162. LifeSupport October 23, 2012 at 12:20 pm #

    Your first point might be strengthened by some examples.

  163. thaddeus thurston thistlethwaite III October 23, 2012 at 12:24 pm #

    Indeed…but there are other beards to fear as well. I’m looking forward to a good Series. Detroit does look formidable. Hopefully both teams play at their peak.
    Thad

  164. Widespreadpanic7 October 23, 2012 at 12:44 pm #

    Godspeed to ya TTTIII. Its nice to talk with another baseball fan amongst the doom and gloom of CFNation. Baseball is a pastoral game that predates the industrial age … it got its start in the Elysian Fields in Hoboken across the river from Manhattan in the late 1830s … and it will be here when the industrial age is long over.
    –WSP7

  165. thaddeus thurston thistlethwaite III October 23, 2012 at 1:11 pm #

    I recently saw the Ken Burns video about Lewis & Clark that documents that a game like baseball was played with the Nez Perce tribe in the late Spring of 1806 while they were waiting for the snows to melt before crossing over to the Missouri river.
    Wish I had been on that epic journey…
    Thad

  166. Rhino October 23, 2012 at 1:25 pm #

    It’s hard to interpret the 2012 housing numbers as indicating anything but a housing sector and economy in great distress, wrecked by wild-assed bankers and captains of industry that think the term “free market” means “anything bloody goes” and whose mission it is to move every last nut and bolt of productive capacity to shit-hole locales where slave level wages prevail.
    And these cockroaches are aided and abetted by a political class so adept in the art of misdirection that they actually have people talking about tax cuts. And this political class has the best, most bald-faced bullshitter of all time – Paul Ryan – on their side.
    Nobody does it better. Ryan’s fellow repubs routinely tell huge lies but, to their very tiny credit, they can’t keep a straight face. Cantor and Boner talk about not taxing – ahem – “job creators” but they look like they’re exercising every ounce of self control trying not to laugh their asses off. Which I guess in a very small way is a good thing.
    Ryan, on the other hand, unblinkingly rolls out recitals of screaming falsehoods, grand assertions that are just so majestically and cosmically and spectacularly full of shit. But still he keeps a straight face. Not the slightest flicker. I’ve never seen anything like it. He must have a nervous system made of piano wire.
    So Ryan (and others too mind you) has people thinking that tax rates affect business decisions as to where to invest. Which they don’t. What corporate honchos look at are fucking WAGE RATES. Not tax rates. That much ought to be obvious. That’s why they move factories to China: dollar an hour wages.
    And Ryan repeatedly touts low tax rates in Canada. But if low tax rates were doing any good in Canada why are entire industries upping sticks from there and fucking off? A high Canadian dollar, you say, that makes Canadian made products uncompetitive? OK, but no matter. The bulk of corporate costs are wage costs. So the inflated Canadian dollar further inflates Canadian wage costs in comparison to foreign (Chinese) competition. So I’ll ask again, what are low corporate tax rates accomplishing in Canada? Answer: Nothing. You can put tax rates to zero and it wouldn’t help. Industry would merrily offshore as merrily as before.

  167. Rhino October 23, 2012 at 1:30 pm #

    Here we go again. More turd containment.
    Mr 1%, you should read what Hussman/Troutbum has to say.
    I’ll repeat what I said last week. An abbreviated version:
    US housing starts per million population:
    1960: 6,994
    1970: 7,062
    1980: 5,693
    1990: 4,789
    2000: 5,583
    2010: 1,899
    2011: 1,958
    2012 Projected: 2,768.
    So compare a projected 2,768 housing starts per million people in 2012 (based on numbers provided in your own post last week) to roughly 7,000 housing starts per million people in 1960 and 1970.
    Or compare the 2012 numbers to 1980 and 1990 (years when the economy was not so great): 5,693 and 4,789 housing starts per million people respectively.
    So 2,768 doesn’t look so good in comparison to 6,994 or 7,062 or 4,789 or 5,693 does it College Boy?
    So tell us again, College Boy, how great things are. You know, College Boy, this ceaseless trumpetting on behalf of the wealthy elite is puzzling.
    Do you want to know why it’s puzzling College Boy? You ought to know that the 1% don’t need you. They have Congress and the President and the Treasury and the Fed all looking after them. They have Fox News. They have lobbyists. So why the fuck do they need you? Can you explain why they need someone like you?
    Make yourself useful. Go ask Michelle Malkin for a job running her errands. She’ll keep you busy. And, in a pinch, you can even parrot right wing talking points.
    I think everyone on CFN will grant you that the 1% are doing marvellously well financially. So tell us Mr 1%, did you inherit a nice bulging portfolio from your mommy and daddy?

  168. rippedthunder October 23, 2012 at 1:43 pm #

    Hey LIFESUPPORT, Gnu’s are not news to me. I was at the Roger Williams Park in Providence RI last week and saw some Babirusas,Takins, Reeves Muntjacs, and Snow Leopards. ! I consider myself a half-assed zoologist and I never saw these species before.It was a crystal clear October day. I feel for the captive animals but I also feel blessed to make there aquaintenance.If it were not for the work of these zoological parks some of these creatures would no longer be with us. Happy Photo-Hunting!

  169. Radu Voda October 23, 2012 at 2:25 pm #

    Are you suggesting that some (most) American Jews are loyal to Israel and not to America except insofar as it supports Israel?
    O Dearest Be! All our conflicts were just misunderstandings!
    You have shown courage – Ozone believes the same but is afraid to come out of the closet.

  170. Radu Voda October 23, 2012 at 2:29 pm #

    Yes and both candidates competed as to how fast they could repudiate Negro equality. Lincoln (don’t know about Douglas) wanted them sent back to Africa. Now a new Spielberg movie is coming out that will lie by not telling the truth about this – just as Bill O’Reilly’s book lied.

  171. Radu Voda October 23, 2012 at 2:39 pm #

    The Beard is Michelle Obama.

  172. Radu Voda October 23, 2012 at 2:42 pm #

    Sometimes these other races use human heads instead of balls – as per polo in the ‘Stans and the ancient Maya Game.
    The human head is too big for baseball though…

  173. Bill October 23, 2012 at 2:54 pm #

    James
    i like your stuff, have several of your books. but you need to re-evaluate your core message about energy shortages and collapse. in time, you are of course correct that a sustainable civilization cannot be based on fossil fuels. but the time scale is dauntingly long for normal people. the immediate prospect (thanks to the fracing boom) is for years of energy surpluses. our civilization may collapse because of a nuclear war, or a Carrington event. It will not fall apart in our lifetime for a simple shortage of energy to keep the wheels turning. if an energy crisis did hit (for example, because of a war with Iran) it could be managed by rationing. you should take such facts on board and find a more nuanced message. bill

  174. Mike Hunt October 23, 2012 at 4:03 pm #

    I thought Michelle was the Grinch.

  175. Mike Hunt October 23, 2012 at 5:11 pm #

    Asoka is currently in a “time out” after he was verbally spanked by a poster last week.

  176. Radu Voda October 23, 2012 at 5:17 pm #

    Gnu Stew is very good I hear.

  177. Radu Voda October 23, 2012 at 5:19 pm #

    Good on you for remembering, that too. There is no contradiction: a grinch is what she is in herself; a Beard is what she is in relation to Barry.

  178. Stephen Daedalus October 23, 2012 at 6:01 pm #

    Not that anyone here needs a lesson on how sick our country is, but here is another example…that garbage central news station from atlanta reports about baby otters and the supervising animal trainer says, “we are teaching them how to swim.” I laughed but then I cried. We are culpable to this stupidity if you don’t call them out on this.

  179. ozone October 23, 2012 at 6:28 pm #

    Wandering agendas aside, we now return to commentary on “duh ‘lection”.
    Dmitri sez:
    “We did not see two candidates campaigning to be elected into a position of leadership, but two actors auditioning for the role of President in a play that takes place strictly in the past. Now, in a normal course of events, if one candidate started carrying on like that, the other candidate would be a fool to not try to score points by pointing this fact out to the electorate. But this situation is different: here, both candidates know with absolute clarity that they are auditioning for a ceremonial role, nothing more, and that bringing even the tiniest bit of reality into it would only jeopardize their chances of being elected.”
    Don’t have his site bookmarked? Okay then, you’re viewpoint is declared; no cookie for you.

  180. ozone October 23, 2012 at 7:07 pm #

    …And, of the two “official conten-duhs”:
    “The federal government over which, if elected, they will pretend to “preside” (whatever that means) has two remaining choices: continue with the strategy of hemorrhaging debt and collapse in a few years once that strategy stops working, or don’t continue with that strategy, and collapse now.”
    Pretty good, Dmitri; I wonder which path they’ll choose?

  181. Radu Voda October 23, 2012 at 7:23 pm #

    To begin the reform, we could at least go back to the way the Founders intended – starting with a repeal of the 17th Ammendment. We have to give the people less power.
    http://www.wvwnews.net/content/index.php?/news_story/the_insidious_seventeenth_amendment.html

  182. LifeSupport October 23, 2012 at 7:55 pm #

    I think the thing to keep in mind is that what would be rationed would be the very lifeblood of a global economy already in stamping-out-fires mode. A couple of localized black holes in, say, Europe merge into a single larger one, and the gravitational pull could suck a lot of would-be prosperity into its maw in a short period of time.
    Now, strictly from an energy supply standpoint, all that demand destruction sounds like just the ticket for postponing the inevitable point of peak oil (/energy) production — though, for a great many people, the results might be hard to distinguish from those of the actual (now delayed) peak, the main difference being that those results would, presumably, be temporary. The new energy surplus would begin to drive a new round of growth, with renewed energy demand inspiring a more vigorous flogging of shale oil deposits, tar sands, declining oilfields, etc., with prices steadily climbing until the arrival of the next severe price shock, triggered by the next political or cosmic insult. Lather, rinse, repeat.
    To me, it’s like saying that falling off a cliff might not be so bad as long as you hit a ledge every twenty or thirty feet or so on the way down.

  183. anti soak October 23, 2012 at 8:44 pm #

    Date and time, I want to read.
    Thanks.

  184. Pucker October 23, 2012 at 8:59 pm #

    Have you ever noticed that some religions and authoritarian, totalitarian, utopian belief systems (e.g., Taliban, Southern Baptist, Mormon, Stalinism, Maoism) don’t permit dancing?
    Sometimes I just want to dance…vicariously….
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g7KawdsVSQ&feature=related

  185. Pucker October 23, 2012 at 9:20 pm #

    I guess that the need of young people to release sexual energy through dancing is contrary to hierarchical, authoritarian forms and structures of regimentation? Or, it would have to be controlled as a kind of reward. The Chinese don’t really dance. They get drunk out of their minds at big banquets. And they like karaoke….
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ5iuWotw3M

  186. Pucker October 23, 2012 at 9:28 pm #

    I heard that they’re going to put up a TSA checkpoint at the front of the Soul Train Dance Line….
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g7KawdsVSQ&feature=related

  187. Pucker October 23, 2012 at 9:30 pm #

    And they’re put’n up X-ray machines on the Soul Train Dance Line….

  188. Stephen Daedalus October 24, 2012 at 12:12 am #

    I see nothing in Dmitri’s vlog worth noting. “Re-inventing collapse” was a worthy effort and he had us there. Now, not so much. Clearly this train has passed.

  189. rocco October 24, 2012 at 6:22 am #

    In the begining of I had fear about our current mode of existence,but now just saddness we are at a great fork in our adventure, one upwards to the stars, and the other back to that cold, damp, dark cave. Meanwhile, the Buffalo Bills want to build a 1.5 billion dollar stadium that would house a convention center, hotels and shopping, but they need millions and millions of public money. The sport talking head guys tell us how great for Buffalo and western New York. Now I do not fear, but laugh!. buy your NYS lottery ticket, Hey you never know!!:)

  190. ozone October 24, 2012 at 8:51 am #

    If you don’t, you don’t.
    By placing my fingers upon the rail, I’m just beginning to feel the train approaching. (Such is the nature of perspective.)

  191. ront October 24, 2012 at 10:41 am #

    Last night I watched a film titled, Shift Change. It delves into the history and current state of cooperatives in the world of doing business. The many people interviewed had a deep appreciation and abiding enthusiasm regarding their involvement. This cooperation replacing competition model is the wave of the future, to bring democracy into the way we do business, for making important decisions, and attempting to consider the interests of all concerned.
    It will not be something that everyone will relate to even after listening and seeing the many positive testimonials presented. There will, for a time, still need to be places for those who find life more comfortable as a slave, wage slave, or as one who dictates to underlings. But gradually those folks and those habits will die out.
    http://shiftchange.org/

  192. mow October 24, 2012 at 12:30 pm #

    HORSEBALLS

  193. Qbala October 24, 2012 at 12:47 pm #

    Forget it, Mila … check in 10 years from now and, when nothing’s changed, Jim will still be ranting about oil scarcity.
    “The truth of our situation is an implacable contraction of the turbo-corporate economy due to remorseless looming energy scarcity”
    Keep dreaming, James. The US is floating on oil, and you know it:
    http://www.cbs12.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_2753.shtml
    We’re going to kill off our species and most others way before that, by changing the climate and destroying bio-diversity.

  194. LifeSupport October 24, 2012 at 3:00 pm #

    Your choice of the word “floating” suggests that your ability to interpret the sort of statistics presented in the article you linked may suffer from a lack of appreciation of the way the geological and engineering aspects of oil extraction impact — and are impacted by — the economics of supply and demand in a global market.
    We are, to be sure, sitting” on a great deal of oil in the form of oil shales and tar sands. We are also “floating” on significant amounts of other liquid hydrocarbons. Our conventional oilfields continue to produce as well, though the decline in output continues. When demand drives prices up far enough, extraction methods which were previously not profitable suddenly become profitable — as your linked article notes:
    “Driven by oil companies seeking to capitalize on high prices and new drilling methods, U.S. production of crude and other liquid hydrocarbons is on track to rise 7 percent this year to an average of 10.9 million barrels per day.”
    So.
    First of all, a lot of that production is natural gas (a detail the author of that article either failed to appreciate or chose to obscure). That’s great as far as generating electricity goes, but our transportation infrastructure is still designed to run almost entirely on fuels derived from OIL. Our rate of domestic crude oil production has not suddenly exceeded (nor even begun to approach) the March 1971 peak of 9,768 barrels per day. We’re presently at just over 6,000. And yeah — it’s swell and all that we’ve recently seen some increases in production levels, but hyperbole along the lines of “biggest single-year gain since bla de bla” don’t appear all that impressive when viewed in graph form.
    Second, because oil trades on a global market, the Saudis along with other OPEC nations, have a simple means at their disposal for insuring that no amount of increased production we might manage would be enough to lead to a significant decrease in global price: all they need do is reduce their own production by a corresponding amount.
    The issue is not about the End of Oil. It’s about the End of Easily Extractable Oil, which means it’s about the end of Cheap Oil.

  195. xhalor October 24, 2012 at 3:09 pm #

    If there is so much oil in North America, then why oh why would we create the ecological disaster that is the extraction of the Canadian tar sands? Why are western governments taking the planet to the brink of another world war?
    I would say that most likely it is because we are hopelessly stuck in a lifestyle that is completely dependent upon it’s use and abrupt shortages would mean utter social chaos and revolution.
    But then it could just be for the MONEY too.

  196. Radu Voda October 24, 2012 at 5:01 pm #

    Mormons do – in fact, they are big dancers. What they don’t allow is gratuitious sexuality – like posing for sexy calendars.

  197. Mazim98 October 24, 2012 at 5:19 pm #

    I don’t want to sound like an alarmist…but unfortunately…its all true. America (and must of the western world) has been become pathetically and hopelessly dependent on fossil fuels.
    I am quite sure the American public will go ape-shit once oil shortages smack them in the face. We have put off this energy transition for far too long. I can’t understand why these idiotic politicians continue to lie to the public and keep telling them that the economy is fine and things will pick up again.
    Why do we continue to lie to ourselves?

  198. beantown bill October 24, 2012 at 5:26 pm #

    The biggest single issue facing humanity is overpopulation. Procon, you are right about this.
    The root cause of so many of our problems is that Earth has too many people – way too many. We are in the beginning stages of resource shortages. If we had 15% of our current population, we wouldn’t need anywhere near as much resources, would we? Whatever remains would last 7 times longer. By the time of 100% depletion, our technology would have developed solutions.
    With a 1 billion world population, we would be destroying our environment at such a lower rate that there’d be a change the Earth could heal itself faster than we destroy it.
    Experiments with rats have shown that they get more aggressive as they get more crowded. It’s probably the same with us. Lower population may well = less international tension = less war.
    With a 1 billion world population, there’d be little, if any, food and water shortages. Many of our issues today would be a lot more mild.
    Our politicians can’t help us because they’re not acting in our best interests. They’re looking out for the 1%, who give them their wealth.
    Technology could save us, but it may not happen because controlling the world’s population is way beyond us, and those who wield the real power know it, and are trying to get as much as they can now. So technology isn’t being applied correctly, unless you consider the latest generation of iphones and ipads is using our technological capacity properly.
    An altruistic 1% would go a long way towards resolution of our problems, but the elite are too wrapped up in avarice and power-grubbing to effect change.
    The human race isn’t doomed, but unless we reduce our population and redirect our technological prowess, there will be a large human die-off. This isn’t an opinion, it’s a mathematical fact.
    An exponential or geometric increase in population, without a corresponding increase in all needed resources,at some point – which we are nearing – HAS to lead to society’s collapse. It’s really a simple concept.

  199. k-dog October 24, 2012 at 6:03 pm #

    He is entertaining and insightful but he seems to go around and around the same circle always ending with all is lost and nothing we can do really matters anyway. Then he starts the routine all over again beginning with showing how much more insightful he is than the herd. We are then cowed into believing that his doom and gloom must be the official version. A parlor trick.

  200. k-dog October 24, 2012 at 6:11 pm #

    March 1971 peak of 9,768 barrels per day. We’re presently at just over 6,000.
    That sentence should sound like a game show buzzer when read. That sentence makes Qbala and his article nothing more than corporate cheer-leading all by itself.

  201. k-dog October 24, 2012 at 6:13 pm #

    Because social order is maintained by the lies.

  202. k-dog October 24, 2012 at 6:24 pm #

    “Technology could save us, but it may not happen because controlling the world’s population is way beyond us.”
    Technical solutions lead to overpopulation requiring more technical solutions leading to even more overpopulation. An unbreakable death spiral.
    Controlling the worlds population is not way beyond us. Of all the problems we have it is very easy to solve but because only a small minority even perceive it as a problem. No action will be taken because not taking action benefits those holding power.
    The answer is to change our living arrangements and not rely on someone else to come along with a technical solution to save us.
    This will require courage.

  203. beantown bill October 24, 2012 at 6:53 pm #

    Like we have a say in how China and India control their populations? In theory, sure, it’s easy to stop overpopulation – just stop reproducing. But in the real world, nature endowed us with a drive to procreate. China tried to control people’s family size, but failed.
    In reality, it would take massive action to overcome homo sapiens’ proclivities and cultural mores, and even then the outcome would be doubtful.
    Alas, I think mother nature might solve the problem for us.
    As for technology increasing population, that did happen in the past when technology was relatively primitive. But now, it has advanced to the point where I think more technology would lead to less people – as their survival becomes more assured, there won’t be as much need to pass on their genes to the next generation.

  204. LifeSupport October 24, 2012 at 7:06 pm #

    You’re right. A bit of post haste there.
    Those figures represent thousands of barrels per day(so “6000” means 6000 thousand, or six million; roughly a third of our daily consumption).

  205. Radu Voda October 24, 2012 at 8:35 pm #

    Get ready to use Afro Sheen instead of that greasy Causcasian kid stuff.

  206. Radu Voda October 24, 2012 at 9:13 pm #

    Missing White girl found dead – killed by Black teens for her bike. If the races were reversed, this would be front page news. What is the answer? Separation. We gain nothing by contact with these people – but we often lose so much.
    http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2012/10/autumn_pasquales_murder_-_out.html

  207. Buck Stud October 24, 2012 at 9:26 pm #

    At the risk of being inundated with miles and piles of “Spider Retort”, I did think of Spidey when watching this fascinating spot on “China’s Ghost Cities And Malls”:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rPILhiTJv7E

  208. progress4spam October 24, 2012 at 9:47 pm #

    “The biggest single issue facing humanity is overpopulation. Procon, you are right about this.”
    -btb-
    Thanks for concurring, Bill.
    And you and I need to remember that we will always do better when we stick to issues upon which we AGREE. haha!
    Although, I do sense a disconnect in your post. Mostly, you spend your post discussing WORLD population – where admittedly, the issues are intractable and heading pell-mell into doom and die-off.
    So when you say:
    “Our politicians can’t help us because they’re not acting in our best interests. They’re looking out for the 1%, who give them their wealth.”
    -btb-
    Here, Bill, we need to pause and back up.
    First of all, our politicians are OUR politicians, by God. One percent or not, our politicians in the US should be favoring policies that favor the continued prosperous existence of human LIFE inside the United States.
    By extension, our 1% should (logically.) favor policies that support the long term best interests of the present geographically bound population of the US as well. Presumably, the whole 1% can’t take their whole entire families – brothers, mothers, sisters, cousins, etc – to Argentina, like those Bushes, right? (As though Argentina is even a solution, long term???)
    ================
    I’ve come to the conclusion, lately, and mostly from watching those pres. debates – that our politicians are as CLUELESS and DELUDED as we, the people of the United States are, on average.
    In other words, bill, our politicians believe in their heart of hearts – that “Growth is Good.”
    Therefore, they think population growth INSIDE the Unites States is good – because it leads to business growth, and economic growth, and US military dominance forever.
    So, the question is, how do we wake our politicians up – to the idea that the US should reduce her population growth to a rate of Zero Population Growth – and then natural population decline – INSIDE the US?
    Well, obviously we do it by waking our people up.
    So, how do we do that?

  209. Radu Voda October 24, 2012 at 10:32 pm #

    Dale: Here it is – the best short introduction to Race in the English Language.
    http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/Race_Evolution_Behavior.pdf

  210. Stephen Daedalus October 24, 2012 at 10:40 pm #

    “The answer is to change our living arrangements and not rely on someone else to come along with a technical solution to save us.”
    The masses are always looking for someone else to provide the answers. This is why religion and governments become so popular – they lead, you follow.
    I stated this before. We need to close the gap on wasted energy and put all of it to productive use. Electricity generation at best is 50% efficient. Automobiles at best are 20% efficient. These are ‘at best’ statistics and not the typical data which are worse. Combined heat & power systems in individual homes and businesses would do a great deal in reducing the use of fossil fuels and could at least extend the time we have before they run out.
    As you have stated, this will require massive changes in our living arrangements.

  211. Radu Voda October 24, 2012 at 10:40 pm #

    Here’s one of the big reasons e-verify never get anywhere – a beast named Grover Norquist, behind the scenes one of the most powerful men in Republican party. Immigrants? Great, the more the merrier.Muslims are the best of all. He believes or pretends to believe, that the Muslims of Michigan put Bush over the top in one of the elections. He has a Muslim wife but does that have to make a man a complete traitor to his Culture? Why not just 60% or something?
    http://www.amren.com/news/2012/10/conservative-grover-norquist-talks-immigration-reform/

  212. Stephen Daedalus October 24, 2012 at 10:51 pm #

    The West has been at zero population growth for some time. Any increases in population have come from the massive immigration from outside their lands.

  213. Stephen Daedalus October 24, 2012 at 10:56 pm #

    This begs the question, why have the West given up on own future but they want to come here and be with us? The mind spins.

  214. anti soak October 24, 2012 at 11:06 pm #

    At another site they say such things are news in New Zealand, but no photo of the accused and no mention of race.

  215. anti soak October 24, 2012 at 11:08 pm #

    Check the numbers Bill.
    India may be the first country with 2 billion.
    especially if you count the diaspora, now and future.
    I think they add 30 million a year, or 1/3 of all pop. in. for the world.

  216. anti soak October 24, 2012 at 11:10 pm #

    Its a world in collapse, If you are in the ‘white countries’ and above the age of 25, you should be able to note the decline in QOL, if not for you, for the masses.

  217. progress4spam October 24, 2012 at 11:14 pm #

    “The West has been at zero population growth for some time. Any increases in population have come from the massive immigration from outside their lands.”
    DING! DING! DING!
    Ring the Bell of Truth for Stephen Daedalus!
    Now, what do you do next, SD?
    Join this group, for starters:
    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/nusablog/beckj/october-16-2012/border-deaths-cry-out-e-verify.html

  218. progress4spam October 24, 2012 at 11:23 pm #

    Grover Norquist –
    Misguided OR Evil, or both, from top to bottom.
    Thanks for the additional proof of that, R.V.
    Interesting comments to that article, Vlad.
    Some are very pro-asian, btw.
    Seems way out of character for Am Ren.
    You boys losing your focus??

  219. beantown bill October 24, 2012 at 11:44 pm #

    I know, I know. Demographers are saying that India will be passing China soon as #1 in population.
    I have a good imagination, but I can’t imagine what India will be like with an additional 7 or 8 hundred million people. I think the whole system there will collapse before the population reaches 2 billion. It’s already an environmental mess.

  220. beantown bill October 24, 2012 at 11:59 pm #

    People naturally place great stress on the surrounding environment; it’s the nature of our species. For that reason, it’s incumbent for our policy-making people to understand that we should limit all immigration now. I don’t want to see the US population 600,000,000. It’s already too high at 315,000,000. When I was 8 years old, I remember my teacher saying the US population was 141 million. Enough already.
    The issue is that the world has shrunk. Just like what happens economically elsewhere affects us in America ( the EU, e.g.), more and more people being in the rest of the world threaten our survival, too. A large part of the reason people want to come here is because of their minimal chances of prospering where there is great overpopulation back home.
    A large part of our economic problems in the US is because we already have too many people.
    This is why I focus on world population. Hell, the world is a large place – you can take America, and I’ll take the rest to worry about.

  221. beantown bill October 25, 2012 at 12:03 am #

    Yes, we have been at or near zero population growth, but the reason why have so many immigrants is because their country’s overpopulation forces people to seek a better life elsewhere (besides political reasons).

  222. Radu Voda October 25, 2012 at 12:09 am #

    Write in Radu Voda for President. I have spent my life in study. I know the answers – and I will rule with a rod of iron. I will get these people on the run. I swear it by my Beard.

  223. Radu Voda October 25, 2012 at 12:20 am #

    When a man marries outside his race, he must serve his wife’s people or get “cut off” if you know what I mean. Now the human mind hates contradiction, so the man begins to unconsciously change his viewpoint so as to affect inner congruence. Thus marrying an Asian becomes neutral or even good for the White Race. Few men are strong enough to admit they are evil or hypocrites. Such men have the making of Saints in them. For example, Obama and Obamacare would be good for me personally, but I reject it on ideological grounds. If I ever go on public relief (without real cause), I will know that I am evil.
    Another reason for the Asian Lobby within White Nationalism: the IQ Cult. Asians are smarter on average than Whites. Thus Asians or Asian/White hybrids will continue high tech Civilization. But will it still be Western Civilization?
    As it has been said, unless you live as you believe, you will begin to believe as you live. Clever salesmen use this principle to get people to sell themselves the product – or look like they are contradicting themselves. A Cult is using this against me right now. Or the Catholic, “Lex Orendi, Lex Credendi” – as you pray, so will you believe.

  224. k-dog October 25, 2012 at 12:25 am #

    You say limit all immigration. I say stop it altogether except to unite immediate families. We can’t control what happens in India and China your right but we can take care of our own. Employers like to cry ‘nation of immigrants’ because they want cheap labor.

  225. thaddeus thurston thistlethwaite III October 25, 2012 at 1:48 am #

    OK, WSP7. Where were the Detroit Tigers tonight? I sincerely hope they show up tomorrow. I don’t want to see them just roll over and lose in four or five games.
    Let’s have a classic World Series! One for the ages!!!
    Thad

  226. Radu Voda October 25, 2012 at 4:20 am #

    Check out the Jewess Barbara Specre exultant as she speaks of the death of Europe thru multiculturalism and how the Jews are leading the way.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Vq_e2Z1ug

  227. Stephen Daedalus October 25, 2012 at 6:44 am #

    Bean, I understand the world is overpopulated and stressed to a point of wanting to get away from their difficulties at home. Europeans of course have been famous for this in the last 500 years (as well as other groups prior.) The real question comes down to dealing with your problems in your own house instead of running away and creating problems in another peoples house.

  228. Stephen Daedalus October 25, 2012 at 7:05 am #

    I have seen similar videos of her, and it does make you want to vomit. The intentional attack on other people just sends the blood pressure to new levels you didn’t know you could survive.

  229. Widespreadpanic7 October 25, 2012 at 7:05 am #

    Hey BTBill, you don’t have to worry about 800 or so million more people living in India. Why? They’ll all be here, running the motels, quicky marts, and self serve gas stations, living 20-30 to a house, and like in NW Connecticut, demanding their children be offered courses in the Public Schools in Punjab & Hindi.
    TTTIII, that was just one game. Pablo hitting 3 out was an anomoly that will never happen again. The beauty of baseball is that there is always a game tomorrow and you start out once again with a clean slate. You have to hand it to the Giants tho. Who knew Zito had anything left? His fastball is 85 mph, and he was not put on the roster in the WS two years ago.
    –WSP7

  230. Nastarana October 25, 2012 at 9:30 am #

    Proposed program to deal with immigration, which I am submitting to the K-DOG administration.
    1. 5 year moratorium on all legal immigration. To be extended to 10-25 years for citizens of any country in which an American embassy is attacked. The president, in consultation with Congress, to have authority to revoke immigration and travel to the USA privilidges for citizens of any country whose citizens kidnap and/or murder American citizens anywhere in the world.
    2. Set up and fully fund a joint FBI and local law enforcement task force to investigate, indict, and prosecute anyone involved in theft, sale and purchase of identity documents, under existing law. Identity theft IS NOT A VICTIMLESS CRIME. IT CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE. The excuse offered by those who work in the USA under cover of stolen identity documents–I just want to work, impoying that the rightfull owner of the documents does not–is as insulting as it is untrue.
    3. Establish another task force, using FBI and National Guard, and military capabilities if necessary, to eradicate the marijuana plantations on public land. If we are not going to defend our public lands, we might as well stop calling ourselves Americans. Send Mexico a bill for the costs of restoring wilderness areas contaminated by the MJ plantations. Now, I do believe that hemp needs to be legalized.
    Eliminate welfare programs in favor of a guaranteed annual income, in return for doing necessary public work, for citizens only. To be financed with a Wall Street sales tax, or what the Europeans are calling a transactions tax. You are aware that while you and I pay sales tax on what we buy, there is no ales tax on buying and selling of stocks, bonds, deriviatives, etc.?
    Require that foreign govts., including Mexico, supply their citizens with some form of identity document, at their own expense. No foreign aid to cover this. Send home anyone who cannot show such documents.
    National ID for all American citizens. I have nothing to hide. What are you hiding? No more dual citizenship. You either are an Ameican citizen or you are not.

  231. rippedthunder October 25, 2012 at 11:25 am #

    What is the advantage of the raised bed? Vlad asks. Beats sleeping on the floor of Asokas mud hut.Creepy crawlees and such !

  232. Widespreadpanic7 October 25, 2012 at 11:45 am #

    Speaking of Asoka, where is he?
    OK so he’s taken some kind of hiatus from CFNation. Don’t be surprised if he appears suddenly at the end of the week with an exact tally of who posted here and how many times they posted.
    Speaking of Creepy Crawlees, RT, got a tick bite, got infected, got cellulitis. Second time this year. What the hells with all the ticks? I was in the woods all the time as a kid and never had a tick bite. Now its 2-3 times per year.
    –WSP7

  233. rippedthunder October 25, 2012 at 12:56 pm #

    Hey Wsp, They say the ticks are bad this year due to the hot summer and the lack of snow last winter, except the Halloween Blizzard of course. We may be in for a big blow this weekend, maybe snow. I hope not.Cellulitus? Ouch!Maybe you should try Frontline! seems to work for the pooches! At least you did’t get the lyme. A friend of mine has it and he can’t seem to get rid of it. Bitches all the time. I feel bad for him. ;o)

  234. 8man October 25, 2012 at 1:07 pm #

    James S Saint wrote:Laws are formed from Consistencies. It doesn’t matter who or what observed or deduced them.
    yeah, new words, new old stuff, already said, saying the same old things with new symbols and such, the identity principle and such, I am at a much higher abstraction level, the Laws of Laws are way beyond what you think I am talking about, I am already past logic, at a higher dimension, a higher state, but you just use puny logic over and over again, kill logic, kill reasoning, kill truth, I win forever…
    Memory Kills the Future
    Everything has been invented and done, now we have a huge memory of all past inventions and things, nothing is left to do. Everything is already heard, everything discovered, nothing is left, we must erase all of the past memory of all knowledge and science and invent things all over again forever and then forget all over again: case in point, the generation that lived before WW 2 was kind of cancelled by the war, a new generation came and invented Rock music (why can’t a new band like the Beatles come again ? because it has been done, no young group can invent all the novelty all over again, same for Woodstock, counterculture and all such), and then the invention of the Microprocessor and so many new things, a young generation had all of those possible inventions waiting, now it has all been done, we are at the end of the road, all is memorized in the internet, all is finished, erase the memory, start all over again, the memory blocks creativity, the young can’t invent everything all over again, they are condemned to do nothing for the rest of their lives, it is all over, (playing with smart phones is an example of a peaked society and culture, it is all old stuff being done over and over again, the camera, the blogs, whatever), science too as a memory device, the internet as a memory device making everyone idle since it all has been done.
    I have explained all of philosophy once and for all on my posts, now it is all over, there is nothing left to invent, hence we must erase all, free all memories from the past, forget the past, and do it all over again forever, no cultural stimulus when you already heard that music and read those ideas and such, so kill memory, invent all new things, forget all, forgetting will set the young free to repeat all over again, all the”old” new things, etc.
    That is why only devastating and changing the Brain Circuits is the only real novelty left, nothing else is left, change the Brain circuits and you really create infinite novelties forever…
    nameta9
    Philosopher
    Posts: 1619
    Joined: Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:42 am
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  235. anti soak October 25, 2012 at 1:19 pm #

    Marlin, Bill,
    I read a stat that is alarming.
    Over the next 15 years 250 MILLION Indians will need jobs, entering the WF for the first time.
    The new 18 year olds.
    A quarter BILLION new workers.
    As they ‘flood the western world, seeking jobs, they will destroy it’.

  236. k-dog October 25, 2012 at 4:25 pm #

    How about we just put the management of any company that employes immigrant labor in prison for two years and they can see what it is like being Bubba’s girlfriend? Bubba would no doubt like some of that soft chair sittin ass.
    No need to get all draconian with police state bullshit. People can still visit here. We would be like Canada is to Americans only to the rest of the world. Sort of. Can’t run a business without a license.
    It would be so much more effective to go after the root of a problem instead of a symptom for a change.
    This would however require the rule of law.

  237. Radu Voda October 25, 2012 at 4:27 pm #

    What y’all don’t know is that they get low interest loan not available to Whites. And of course they keep two sets of books – one for inventory and one for tax purposes…

  238. anon y'mouse October 25, 2012 at 4:29 pm #

    the model for our future, hopefully:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/magazine/the-island-where-people-forget-to-die.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

  239. beantown bill October 25, 2012 at 5:10 pm #

    Don’t tell me you don’t know Punjabi or Hindi, Marlin.
    What kind of school system did you graduate from? I had to learn them in 10th grade, THEN I was allowed to take Latin, French and German.

  240. beantown bill October 25, 2012 at 5:13 pm #

    That’ll make competition for those telemarketing and customer service jobs very, very tough. Soon you’ll need to be a postdoc in theoretical physics just to be allowed to apply.

  241. beantown bill October 25, 2012 at 5:15 pm #

    I don’t think we should automatically disallow new immigrants, but we can be pretty picky about who we let in – in small numbers.

  242. beantown bill October 25, 2012 at 5:21 pm #

    I think multiculturism is ok as long as you get to choose who you want to multiculturate with.

  243. k-dog October 25, 2012 at 6:38 pm #

    If you let any in you are disenfranchising a citizen. Which ones would you let in and how would your ‘picky’ criteria not disenfranchise someone?
    Theoretical physics postdocs are not allowed to apply for customer service jobs or as telemarketers because they won’t work cheap enough and don’t take orders so well. They get roundfiled. Social mobility is a myth.

  244. k-dog October 25, 2012 at 6:55 pm #

    Talk of immigration is futile. Obama and Romney are committed to a global economy.
    Obama said last night that “companies can go anywhere in the world they want to”. Pretty clear right there who’s ass he kisses and it ain’t yours. The nation of immigrant theme will be accompanied with music as shall the endless global growth with bottomless energies supply theme for the next four years no matter who wins(except 4 me). The word austerity will cross the Atlantic.
    As the stem begins to seriously wobble and fail the backlash will be severe. It would be so much better to deal with reality now instead of when reality bitchslaps everybody in the face. But as it is we’d be as well off with a Nigerian internet scam artist in the oval office as we will be when either Obama or Romney win.

  245. Widespreadpanic7 October 25, 2012 at 7:54 pm #

    BTBill, Ibendet, Oz, Ripthunder, Q, et al.
    Ready for the storm? Last year it was 13 days no electricity. Things began to fall apart after day 2. In that two weeks I got a firsthand experience what it might be like without the amenities I am used to. And being an acolyte of JHK I was somewhat prepared. I’m better prepared this time around. Hope you all make it thru.
    –WSP7

  246. beantown bill October 25, 2012 at 8:07 pm #

    I’d let someone in who has something special to offer the US, like an Einstein or Picasso or a Lafayette or a Yao.
    As events continue along the present course, resentment against immigrants will grow and become a big social issue, and eventually lead to much unrest. This is why it’s not futile to talk about immigration. Ultimately, the issue will be resolved, whether it’s by political decision or by social uprising.
    I’d like to say for the record that in theory I’m not against immigration per se, just that it isn’t wise to allow foreigners in when we can’t take care of all our current citizens adequately. I do believe people should have the right to go anywhere they please, but I also believe that citizens of any country have the right to allow whomever they want to let in or not – as long as the concept of a nation still exists.
    If the globalists win out and eliminate the existence of countries, well, that’s a different matter.

  247. beantown bill October 25, 2012 at 8:20 pm #

    If TSHTF because of this, I’m not yet ready to the level I want, but if we have a “normal” disaster, I think I’m alright during the time it would take to get things back to the way they were. I got plenty of warm clothes, I got enough food for several weeks, I got water stored, I got batteries and a shitload of candles.
    I think the biggest inconvenience will obviously be loss of electricity, but which healthy person can’t live without it for a few weeks?
    I still remember when hurricane Carol hit us in 1954. Almost everyone’s chimney blew down, the streets were littered with countless fallen branches and numerous live wires were on the ground. We were without electricity for 3 weeks. I recall how dark and gloomy our house was with no lights and just flickering candles.

  248. beantown bill October 25, 2012 at 8:23 pm #

    I hope you and all the other CFN New Englanders/Northeasterners come out ok. What a hoot it would be if next week is all pleasant and sunny.

  249. Pucker October 25, 2012 at 9:03 pm #

    I’ve got a “SERIOUS” question, believe it or not.
    (Because I’m a “SERIOUS MAN”….)
    Here it is:
    Among J, ew .ish people, how is the issue of many J e w, ish people’s cooperation/appeasement of the N, a zi,s in the Hol, o caus,t addressed?
    This issue is important since it would not have been logistically possible for the N.,,a z is to kill so many J,,e w,s without the victims cooperation.

  250. xport October 25, 2012 at 9:09 pm #

    Hey Beantown,
    Overpopulation has a way of self regulating. It just gets ugly for the inhabitants of the population, then it gets sorted out. You knew that.
    I have a garden, and the garden produces if I tend it properly, then the climate changes and it does not produce, no matter what I do. Even in the best seasons the tomatoes become ripe in a small window of opportunity, say from july to september, and when they are ripe it is a case of use them or loose them, so you make sauce, soup, ketsup, stuffed tomatoes or throw the rotten ones away.
    The point is that a garden is only good for a short season, and even if everyone in the world started and tended a garden it could not sustain every family over a hard winter. Actually, it is a miracle that the active farms can produce enough to feed the lucky people who are rich enough to afford the produce. THE FUTURE WILL PRODUCE A VERY MEAGER AND BITTER HARVEST.

  251. Pucker October 25, 2012 at 9:19 pm #

    RV wrote: “Get ready to use Afro Sheen instead of that greasy Causcasian kid stuff.”
    I remember “Afro Sheen”. Wow, a trip down Memory Lane!
    Black people used to use Afro Sheen on their “Afro Hairdos”. They wouldn’t use combs, but rather spiked plastic claws on their “Fro’s” called “Picks”.
    As a kid, I used to resent black people with their “Fro’s” because I couldn’t see around their Afro Hairdo’s when they sat in the seat in front of me in the movie theater.

  252. Pucker October 25, 2012 at 9:28 pm #

    So the Mormons are big dancers?
    If so, I guess that I could be a Mormon? I could just dance all the time….
    Sometimes, I just want to dance….
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g7KawdsVSQ&feature=related
    Sometimes, I wonder if I’m really black….

  253. beantown bill October 25, 2012 at 9:39 pm #

    That is why I haven’t put a lot of effort into growing my own food. I’m pretty good growing houseplants, but not as good growing veggies. One year I tried carrots and got a lot of plants. Later on, when I pulled them out, I got 6! tiny carrots that I could fit in the palm of my hand. WTF? Anyway, at some point I’ll try again. In the meantime, I prefer storing food I bought. Unfortunately, that doesn’t help me when I run out, down the road. I’m gonna be forced to experiment with growing my own, I guess.
    But you’re right – just sarting a garden isn’t going to do it for many people.

  254. LifeSupport October 25, 2012 at 10:19 pm #

    Carrots can be tricky. I go for a mix of colors. Yellow squash is easier to grow than carrots. For greens, try chard instead of spinach or lettuce. Not to my taste for salad, but I like it better than spinach when cooked. One plant per person is about as much as you’d likely want (you can only eat the same thing so many days in a row). I’ve seen chard keep going for three seasons, even though it is an annual. The trick is to keep it from bolting.

  255. Pucker October 25, 2012 at 11:14 pm #

    BT wrote: “But you’re right – just sarting a garden isn’t going to do it for many people.”
    I think that post-collapse you’ll be just fine if you grow marijuana and opium. Marijuana is an extremely useful plant. You can smoke it, and it’s fiber can be used to make paper, rope, clothing, building materials, ethanol, and other very useful items. It’s seeds are high in protein, and it’s oil is edible.
    Opium can be used to make pain killers and narcotics which will be highly valued post-collapse.
    Carrots are good, but marijuana and opium are much better.

  256. progress4spam October 25, 2012 at 11:17 pm #

    “But you’re right – just sarting a garden isn’t going to do it for many people.”
    -btb-
    Concur, Bill. There’s nothing wrong – at all! – with gardening, but it’s highly overrated as far as actually feeding a family 24/7/365.
    Which is part of why my farmer forebears always had big cash crops (cotton, corn, etc.) as well as their fruit trees, nut trees, cows, pigs, and large (very large, by today’s standards) kitchen gardens.
    Something else that most folks have forgotten – if everybody? has a garden in your area, and the gardens are “coming in” pretty well – then everybody is going to be covered up with all of the same veggies at the same time. You can only eat so much at one time, right? So if you can’t can it or dry it – it’s going to be gone in a few brief weeks.
    ======================
    On a related note – anyone with any sense at all will heartily approve your food storage and other sorts of preparations. Good times – emphatically – can not last forever. And it will be the prepared among us, who will have to help the less prepared, if they can be helped.
    Good luck up there, Bill.
    And good luck with this storm – to all of the NE contingent of the CF Nation.

  257. progress4spam October 25, 2012 at 11:26 pm #

    “Overpopulation has a way of self regulating. It just gets ugly for the inhabitants of the population, then it gets sorted out.”
    -xport, to btb-
    Yeah, OK, X.
    Now, if someone will simply explain WHY the United States is deliberately allowing overpopulation to occur on the only landmass that we control –
    so that WE, here, can all share in the GLOBAL “ugly”ness of which you speak.
    Because the ugliness is inevitable.
    Baring a technomiracle.
    Which seems less likely.
    As US population rises – all due to immigration.
    A logical people – we are not.

  258. progress4spam October 25, 2012 at 11:34 pm #

    Thread looks better this week than it has in a long time.
    The spidey/Resident Impediment contingent is limiting itself with wonderful restraint.
    And there is some good reflective, intelligent posting occurring.
    Amazing.
    And now I’m probably out ’till Sunday night.
    Oh well.

  259. Pucker October 25, 2012 at 11:43 pm #

    Oh…I forgot…carp….
    Chinese people in Southern China seem to be rather fond of a certain variety of carp (fish).
    Carp seem to be fast growing and a good protein source. Carp probably eat pond weeds and pig and chicken shit.
    You could trade carp, marijuana products, and opium for other things that you need, like bullets….
    Maybe have a few wild hogs run around your property to chase the dependent, barefooted reckneck women in hemp sack dresses….

  260. Pucker October 25, 2012 at 11:48 pm #

    Chinese people (Vietnamese people too) believe that there’s a separate Heaven for Chinese people, so that white people go to a different Heaven just for white people.
    Is there a separate Heaven for black people?
    What if you’re white, but you think that you are black?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g7KawdsVSQ&feature=related

  261. Pucker October 26, 2012 at 12:27 am #

    What should you do if you find yourself at the local laundromat trying to do a load of laundry and you open up the coin operated washing machine only to discover that some asshole has left his wife’s brains in the brainwashing machine?

  262. asoka.. October 26, 2012 at 1:02 am #

    99% – A Short Film by Celik Kayalar
    Watch it for free at:
    http://www.the99percentmovie.com/

  263. Radu Voda October 26, 2012 at 1:23 am #

    Heaven is your heart’s desire. I desire never to see Blacks again. So in my Heaven, there will be none – not even washroom attendants or shoe shine boys.

  264. Radu Voda October 26, 2012 at 1:25 am #

    Well what would you do if you saw a giant chicken two stories tall? Whatever “that” is, that is what you do at the laundry.

  265. Radu Voda October 26, 2012 at 1:29 am #

    Yeah well the Europeans were never asked, nor were White Americans. That Barbara Spectre is a monster.

  266. Radu Voda October 26, 2012 at 1:53 am #

    We are the Heirs to our own Future. And no one else. Our Day will come and their Day is passing, their Global Dream revealed to be a Nightmare of Lies, Murder and Rape.
    http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=11338

  267. Pucker October 26, 2012 at 2:05 am #

    Believe it or not, 15 million years ago the dominant animal on Earth was a giant, carnivorous chicken called the Kelenken Guillermoi.
    http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelenken_guillermoi
    I read somewhere that a scientist in South American recovered a live sample of the giant chicken’s DNA. I don’t know what what he’s going to do with? Presumably, he’ll clone a giant chicken.
    I’d like to a clone a bunch of giant man-eating chickens and let them loose in the suburbs as part of some reality TV show.

  268. Julian Curtis Lee October 26, 2012 at 5:40 am #

    That’s called typoprigging.
    And the Rolihlahla is not remotely necessary.

  269. Julian Curtis Lee October 26, 2012 at 5:51 am #

    That site needs to get more viewership by Whites. I think their url is not the best. I maintain a pointer to it that’s easier to visualize and remember:
    WesternVox.com
    Please tell your White brothers and sisters.

  270. Widespreadpanic7 October 26, 2012 at 7:51 am #

    OK TTTIII I’m almost ready to concede and proclaim, “All hail the Giants”.
    The Giants, after all, are the franchise of Bill Terry and Christy Mathewson, Mel Ott and Travis Jackson, Willy Mays and Willy McCovey. I could counter with Al Kaline, Harry Heilman and Ty Cobb, but that ain’t helping any now.
    The TV ratings are pretty low for this years World Series, which is probably because the Yankees, Mets, Angels or Dodgers are not in it!
    –WSP7

  271. thaddeus thurston thistlethwaite III October 26, 2012 at 9:35 am #

    Almost ready to concede… C’mon WSP7. This is baseball; anything can happen. Detroit now has a few home games to show their stuff.
    Were you serious about Indian parents in Connecticut wanting the schools to teach classes in Hindi and Punjabi?
    Thad

  272. Nastarana October 26, 2012 at 10:50 am #

    The point is that you use your food budget, or SNAP benefits, for protein and staples, which you supplement with fresh veges and small friut from your yard. Excess goes to your apartment dwelling family, friends and others, into the compost pile, or to local food banks and soup kitchens. Or gets canned, froze or dried for winter. Dried veges can be reconstituted for an excellent soup base and require little storage space.
    The point is having a strategy to survive the coming spike in food prices and bi-partisan austerity which, unlike total collapse, are just around the corner.
    Then there are the mental, physical and spiritual benefits of doing things for oneself and of healthy, productive outdoor excercise.
    You have heard of pellagra? Beriberi? Vitamin deficiency diseases which can be prevented by adding fresh produce to the daily diet.
    The theme about home gardens can’t feed your entire family is a red herring promoted by the retail grocery and real estate segments of the corporatocracy, of which you must be either an agent or a dupe.

  273. asoka.. October 26, 2012 at 11:10 am #

    With unemployment falling to 7.8 percent as of September, the housing market finally showing signs of improvement and the U.S. stock market up more than 12 percent on the year, consumers have been feeling more optimistic about the economy. Now a poll by the Gallup Organization finds that, for the first time in more than five years, the percentage of Americans who say they feel financially stronger than they did a year ago, 38 percent, is higher than those who say they are worse off, 34 percent.

  274. Nastarana October 26, 2012 at 11:13 am #

    Dear K-Dog.
    You just lost my vote.
    Urbanite paranoia about “repression” and “police state” is one of the factors which has paralized our ability to respond effectively to social problems and threats to our sovereignty.
    Laws against identity theft, a serious crime which can devastate the lives of its victims for years after the crime, are on the books and need to be enforced, even if someone’s nanny gets sent home.
    France, as one example, has a national identity card, and manages to be a republic with democratic elections. I am not aware that their govt. is any more corrupt than ours.
    Control of borders is an aspect of national sovereignty. Mexico, for example excercises draconian control over its southern border, and we would be as justified to do the same.
    American public lands have been maintained by generations of American taxpayers. They are used for fishing, hunting, mining, grazing, and recreation. They are like public libraries, something which makes our nation unique.
    I agree about prosecuting employers of illegal labor. You are aware of the impact that would have on industrial farming? The dirty secret of which is that factory farming is simply not profitable without the supply of cheap, illegal labor.
    If a would be Martyr for Allah knew that his attack on an embassy would mean that his cousin, neighbor, friend who wanted to study in an American university would have to stay at home, we would see far fewer such attacks.

  275. anti soak October 26, 2012 at 11:14 am #

    Asoka, I cringe that you are posting again.
    You had said I had posted misinformation.
    Heres the correct information:
    SMC.EDU > GOVERNANCE > MANAGEMENT
    100? 130? Managers. I had used the term ‘Deans’.

  276. anti soak October 26, 2012 at 11:16 am #

    A ‘solution’ to the population explosion!
    Small chicks eat worms, giant ones….[fill in the blank].

  277. CaptSpaulding October 26, 2012 at 11:23 am #

    I heard on the news today that Romney leads Obama by about 3 percentage points, which can be the result of errors in the polling process, however that number brings me back to a question I’ve asked on here before. How can it be that after 8 years of policies that almost destroyed this country, the Republicans are back knocking on the door once again? Honest to God, I don’t understand it. It’s been said here before that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly, and expecting a different result each time? Does the public really have that short of an attention span? I’m being sincere when I ask that question.

  278. Main Street USA October 26, 2012 at 12:00 pm #

    Jim. I recently moved to a small town in Southeastern Minnesota. Like so many small towns in America, the big box stores are sucking the life out of them. We are listening to you Jim. Keep up the good work.

  279. debt October 26, 2012 at 12:05 pm #

    Yes, it is baffling. The attention span of the public in this country is a lot shorter than four years.

  280. Pucker October 26, 2012 at 12:13 pm #

    For some strange reason, black people can’t dance to white music….
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhvXzy8gGBI&feature=fvwrel

  281. ozone October 26, 2012 at 12:19 pm #

    “If a would be Martyr for Allah knew that his attack on an embassy would mean that his cousin, neighbor, friend who wanted to study in an American university would have to stay at home, we would see far fewer such attacks.” -N.
    Wherever do you get these ideas?
    Suicide is the ultimate act of selfishness. Plus, destroying “the great satan” means that their institutions go buh-bye as well.
    I’m surprised that you [as a reader of JHK] have such a shallow and narrow perspective. (That happens to be “de rigueur” these dark days of Empire, so I probably shouldn’t remark on it. Although trickling/flooding through from another part of the bloviational spectrum, asoka is a prime example of this phenomena.)
    I write this in recognition of your general pragmatism, so it kind of makes it a wonderment you’d hold this opinion of martyrdom. (And that you’d include altruism into the mix.)

  282. debt October 26, 2012 at 12:21 pm #

    There will be no Louis Armstrong or Jimi Hendrix in your heaven. You will be forced to listen to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. And Ethel Mermen, Perry Como, and Wayne Newman. On the other hand Elvis will be there!

  283. debt October 26, 2012 at 12:22 pm #

    That should have been Wayne Newton…

  284. progress4spam October 26, 2012 at 12:31 pm #

    Wow, nasta, I’ve been called some pretty nasta names in my time – but never have I been accused of being
    an “agent or dupe” of “retail grocery and real estate segments of the corporatocracy…”
    So, you get points for an original insult, even if based on a personal fallacy.
    Because if you’ll reread my post, you’ll see that I am all in favor of home gardening. I just think too many US residents have a fantasy that all they need is a garden, a jug of water, and some stored food – and they will be good to go, following collapse.
    And I know a false sense of security can be a big killer in many situations.
    In your case, you think that the starches, fats, and proteins essential for daily life will be magically supplied by surviving agricultural infrastructure – yet that your US garden will be necessary to avoid pellagra. I see a logical disconnect in your thought process.
    And I think collapse might take down most of our agricultural infrastructure – leaving those who think a garden is a magical answer –
    in bad shape.
    Not as bad a shape as those WITHOUT a garden, mind you. But still bad.

  285. ozone October 26, 2012 at 12:32 pm #

    Does the public really have that short of an attention span? I’m being sincere when I ask that question. -Cap’n
    In a word: “yes”.
    Why? It’s my opinion that the publick has gotten an inkling that something wicked this way comes, and is casting about desperately for reassurance/security/return to easy comforts/a savior, and will drown every past lesson to latch onto these fading hopes. It’s an “unlearning” process, rather than a “forgetting”, I think.
    Intriguing question, to be sure! Don’t know which scientists are on this case, but I’d bet it’s a fascinating area of study.

  286. Radu Voda October 26, 2012 at 12:37 pm #

    No Jimi Hendrix? His music doesn’t belong in Heaven – as you would know if you believed in God. And no Miles Davis either – who said that his Heaven would be to slowly strangle a White person.
    Afro American music is music of the lower chakras nowadays. Gospel not always. Black African music is more varied – some of their choral music is among the most beautiful things I have ever heard. It will take many ages of evolution for them to live up to the beauty they express in one small aspect of their being.

  287. Radu Voda October 26, 2012 at 12:39 pm #

    So therefore Democracy is criminal – rule by those who program the mob, the very few. Thus Democracy is the exact opposite of what it is proposes to be.
    You can do better Zone. You’re a schmart guy, but you have to use your brains, not just sit on them and be snarky.

  288. Radu Voda October 26, 2012 at 12:41 pm #

    Perhaps Negroes hunted them to extinction.

  289. progress4spam October 26, 2012 at 12:44 pm #

    Indeed, Captain.
    I think the disdain for Dem. policies and for Obama in particular is palpable, though. So that accounts for, maybe, 35% of Mitten’s support – logic be damned.
    I also think our media and some quarters of TPTB emphasize the “horse race” aspect of the POTUS election, to the point that it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
    My bigger question is how – in a country split nearly 50-50, the winner of POTUS will take us roaring off in a bizarre and opposite direction to common sense –
    Witness Bush Jr, and the two wars.
    Or Obama and the Corporate Health Care Bill.
    Clinton and Nafta.
    Reagan and the Regan Revolution.
    It’s a dismal list, IMO.

  290. Radu Voda October 26, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

    Nasta is a woman, Prog. That explains it. Very emotional, stubborn, opinioned, and vindictive when opposed.
    Face it, how many women have you found that can discuss anything as a Gentle Person?

  291. rippedthunder October 26, 2012 at 12:59 pm #

    Come-on Radu.No Hendrix? Shirley you jest? and please don’t call me Shirley. Anyoney one who can play a Strat’upside down is AOK in my book. Try it sometime. You are a fart smeller,but do’t knock Jimmie! Also Wayne Cambpell ,for all his shortcomings he was a pickers picker, fantastic studio work.

  292. Radu Voda October 26, 2012 at 1:07 pm #

    Cop plans cannibal feast on lady parts.
    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/nypd-cop-cooking-women-678563
    Nasta, it’s not either/or – that is the impasse most women can never get past in their thinking. It’s all bad. Conservatives are right about their fear of a Police State and so is the Left. But the Left is wrong that crime isn’t a real problem. And the Conservatives are willing to give away our rights to protect us – but they can’t. Remember, when a crime is seconds away, the police are minutes (usually more than 20) away. The Left pretends to be against a police state, but history says otherwise, eh?
    The real answer? None of the above: guns are too dangerous to be in any hands except those of citizens. Police should be armed only with night sticks most of the time. And be polite with their employers, the average citizen. Would this work now? Of course not, the people are corrupt and have been corrupted on purpose. And it would never work with Hispanics or Blacks. Only Whites. Asians? Maybe, but they have never trusted their citizens enough to try. And again, now White as they are now, but as they were in Revolutionary times – Christian, fiscally responsible, neighborly, hands on, etc.

  293. Radu Voda October 26, 2012 at 1:10 pm #

    You are a barbarian if you like that crap. You will make it to heaven because of your good deeds, not your good taste. When I see you up there, I’m going to brain you with my harp.

  294. ront October 26, 2012 at 1:12 pm #

    To me these young people seem to be confused and mislead.

  295. LifeSupport October 26, 2012 at 1:22 pm #

    I agree with much of what you’ve said there.
    Maybe one way of looking at it is that there are degrees of resiliancy. As a product of the automobile age, it’s probably not surprising that I have a natural propensity for automotive metaphors, which I will now indulge:
    Keeping your tires properly inflated reduces your chances of dying in a car crash. If all of the steering and suspension components are in good working order, that reduces them further. Use your turn signals, watch your lane changes, wear your seat belt… You get the idea. If you want to reduce your chances of dying in a car crash to ZERO, don’t ever get in a car (better still, stay completely away from any area where cars are driven; I personally know two people — one of whom sustained serious injuries — who were inside waiting rooms when cars came crashing through the walls, both cases involving little old ladies who romped on the gas instead of the brake).
    If you want to reduce to ZERO your chances of dying from the effects of global social and/or economic collapse, the bad news is: Too late. Already on the planet, you’re already in the car. But you can adjust your position on the resiliancy spectrum, and if you can help others around you to do the same, you stand to benefit from their increased resiliancy as well. I don’t think so much about how I might fight off my neighbors as how I might feed them.

  296. Radu Voda October 26, 2012 at 1:36 pm #

    Remember Danke Schoen – sung by the young Wayne Newton when he looked like a woman? Such is what Muslims die for and hope to see in their heaven.

  297. Radu Voda October 26, 2012 at 1:41 pm #

    Why? Because they want France to live and not be drowned by Muslims? Would you say the same about young Israelis saying something similar? You wouldn’t, would you?
    Try to see/acknowledge your Jewish hatred of White Europeans – only then can you reject it. The Jewish religon corrupted during the Babylonian Captivity and thus the Talmud was born. Ever since they have been at war against the Light. Christ refered to it as “the Traditions of Men” and condemned its hypocrisy. It wasn’t written down until a few centuries later but it was already well developed.

  298. Radu Voda October 26, 2012 at 1:48 pm #

    Obama, Clinton, and Paneta are lying. The attack went on for hours while they sat on their hands. They let the ambassador and his guards die. A CIA squad nearby asked repeatedly to be allowed to go in and were refused, told to stand down.

  299. Jam47 October 26, 2012 at 2:07 pm #

    “The Jewish religion corrupted during the Babylonian Captivity and thus the Talmud was born.”
    Very nice summation of the change that Hebrew religion underwent (adding resurrection and personal immortality to the legal stuff) post 600 BC., though the Talmud downplays these additions.
    Hendrix was great. But Clapton, during his years with Cream, was better–less technical virtuosity but more musicality. But I should really be directing this to Rippedthunder, shouldn’t I?

  300. Jam47 October 26, 2012 at 2:32 pm #

    Suicide isn’t always a selfish act. And even if it is, so what? The one absolute right that every human being has is the right to tend to the well being of his own soul.
    Two civilizations that were more grown up than the one we presently live in –Republican Rome and Japan in the days of Bushido–had no moral objection to suicide. That suicide is bad, always bad, is one of the enfeebling ideas foisted on us by Christianity.
    And never fear, if and when America collapses into oil-shortage chaos, people will be murdering themselves at a far higher rate than they do now.

  301. asoka.. October 26, 2012 at 2:56 pm #

    Suicide isn’t always a selfish act.
    =============
    I agree. I have never heard of a soldier throwing himself on a grenade described as a selfish act.

  302. LifeSupport October 26, 2012 at 3:02 pm #

    The self immolation of Thích Qu?ng ??c quickly comes to mind.

  303. Jam47 October 26, 2012 at 3:07 pm #

    If only wholesome food was enough to prevent all of the deficiency diseases. It isn’t. Some people can recover or maintain their health only by taking certain vitamins in concentrated form, as in pills or injections.
    Pernicious anemia is a disease that, in many cases, probably most, is not going to be cured simply by eating the foods that contain the vitamin or mineral whose deficiency has caused the disease. There are others.
    Moreover, to consume healthful food is one thing; to digest it is another. After early middle age, the digesting capacity of many people is not up to the job of fully breaking down the food that passes through their stomachs and upper intestines–an under-secretion of hydrochloric acid and/or the pancreatic enzymes prevents it.
    People flock to the supplement section of health food stores for a reason: a physician has told them that they need this or that supplement, and sometimes they really do. God knows how these folk are going to manage post-collapse.

  304. rippedthunder October 26, 2012 at 4:02 pm #

    Well Radu, Clapton was God , or so the graffitti said, he could pluck the strings with the best of them, although I consider him more of a copy cat southern blues man. I always felt that one could not compare guitar players but everyone has an opion. Innovation was not one of his strong points. Just Sayin’. Check out Little Jimmy K especially after 5:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFG9cqrLp8Y&feature=related

  305. KT October 26, 2012 at 4:26 pm #

    Hope the opening night of the art exhibit goes well.
    I just this online and thought you would appreciate seeing a glimpse of the long emergency in real life:
    http://www.11alive.com/news/article/261774/40/Foreclosed-family-watches-helplessly-as-Craigs-List-crowds-strip-house-bare
    I found it at this website, which you also probably will like:
    http://investmentwatchblog.com/will-the-bottom-fall-out-15-signs-that-layoffs-and-job-losses-are-skyrocketing/#RljcL1BRO1WGPICx.99
    Cheers?

  306. xhalor October 26, 2012 at 6:23 pm #

    “All hail the Giants”
    ————————————————-
    I just have three, no, four things to say. Actually I have two things to say and two NEVERs:
    1. Pitching
    2. Pitching
    ————————————————
    The NEVERs
    1. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER get your first out at home plate.
    2. NEVER let you self get hit in da head wit da ball. What’s wrong wit you boy….
    P.S.
    Too bad Radu didn’t team up with Fellini for his demented vision of heaven.

  307. xhalor October 26, 2012 at 6:42 pm #

    “…Clapton was God…”
    ———————————————-
    zzzzz…huh…what? Wake me up when someone finds a guitar player better than this imbibing Cannuck. Bonus points if you can produce a Joe Pass or Les Paul video I haven’t seen before…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=limCRMZD1Ec

  308. xhalor October 26, 2012 at 7:02 pm #

    Holy Shit! I didn’t find one…I found two…playin’ together. CAREFUL…George might start singin’ & playin’ @ the same time.
    When Donald Trump trumps himself, is that Trump trumpin’ Trump?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38QsNXQa_xI&feature=relmfu

  309. Pucker October 26, 2012 at 7:36 pm #

    I’ve been skimming through Alexis de Tocqueville’s classic “Democracy in America”, and I’m struck at his account of how moral and ethical Americans were at the time of America’s birth as a nation. De Tocqueville suggests that popular Christian values and beliefs are the foundation of American freedom.
    De Tocqueville’s protrayal of the American ethical landscape contrasts markedly with JHK’s picture of present day fraud and husksterism in the U.S.
    What happened?!

  310. Pucker October 26, 2012 at 7:55 pm #

    Speaking of Donald Trump…Has anyone read the book “Snakes in Suits”? Thanks.
    To anyone who is interested in protecting themselves or others against the psychopathic bond, please read “Snakes in Suits – When Psychopaths Go To Work” by Dr Robert Hare Ph.D. and Dr. Paul Babiak, Ph.D. As the book states “The number of people with psychopathic personalities suggests that most of us will come across at least one psychopath during a typical day. However, the ability of clever psychopaths to hide their true nature makes it difficult to tell them from others one might meet on the street”.

  311. xhalor October 26, 2012 at 7:56 pm #

    Hey! We got a new deal fer ya. You don’t have to get up at five o’clock in the morning anymore to wade through cow shit. Honestly! Just come on in to the bright, shiny, new factory! No need to worry about gettin’ trampled by hogs, oh, hell no! You just have to tighten the same bolt, over…and…over…and….over
    You know…we’ll buy that land from you. You won’t have to worry about it anymore.
    Bio-units. A piece of equipment.

  312. Pucker October 26, 2012 at 7:57 pm #

    I bet that psychopaths love Computer Dating?

  313. Pucker October 26, 2012 at 7:59 pm #

    [Scene from the movie “Burn Before Reading”]
    “Gee Linda…What do you really know about this guy? I mean…He could be one of these guys who cruises the Internet.”
    Linda: “Yeah…So am I!”

  314. xhalor October 26, 2012 at 7:59 pm #

    Fuck! I’m datin’ my computer right NOW….
    Ahh..hhh…hh…hhhhh…hh

  315. Pucker October 26, 2012 at 8:04 pm #

    I’ve noticed that many young Americans now subscribe to those paid dating websites.
    And the guys are not looking to get married. They openly acknowledge that they are “looking to hook up with sluts.”
    It seems that the female dating website subscribers “put out” as a way to get attention from the males.
    I bet the professional hookers hate those dating websites as they’re bad-for-business.

  316. xhalor October 26, 2012 at 8:14 pm #

    “And the guys are not looking to get married. They openly acknowledge that they are “looking to hook up with sluts.”
    Clearly, you are a young man. This is not news.
    The trick has been to divorce humans from their biology. Who da thunk it?

  317. xhalor October 26, 2012 at 8:30 pm #

    Pucker, I can see that you love a good challenge.
    I love a good challenge too. Especially after BEER!
    I nominate Hudie Ledbetter for The Most Badass American EVER.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudie_Ledbetter
    Your nomination?

  318. rippedthunder October 26, 2012 at 8:51 pm #

    Ok Pucker, I never said Claptain was God. somebody scribbled it on a wall. He was not a Cannuck like myself but was from Surrey England.True he could rip a Strat. But so can I. Maybe not like Eric. But I can give it a go.

  319. rippedthunder October 26, 2012 at 8:59 pm #

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iGXP_UBog4
    Heres one for ya pucker. and another
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BRhyKsGUTo&feature=endscreen&NR=1

  320. Jam47 October 26, 2012 at 9:12 pm #

    Is it bad taste to mention a book about James bond on a site such as this one?
    “The Man who saved England” is a clever interweaving of the James Bond idea and the shock and dismay that Britons were hit with when they realized, post World War Two, that their empire was falling away.
    The Bond novels, and the first two or three films, were a palliative.
    (Some people damn America for its tendency to empire building. But where is this empire? Is it cultural/economic, or what?)

  321. xhalor October 26, 2012 at 9:23 pm #

    I just watched the 25th Anniversary Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Concert. Jeff Beck and his trio were acting as house band. Buddy Guy came on stage and tore it up. Now, this is just my personal take, but the vibe that I got from Buddy was Clapton might be afraid of yo’ ass but I ain’t.
    There are no electric guitar players better than Eric Clapton. Jeff Beck and Buddy Guy will verify this
    As for your Les Paul videos, according to the Mighty Wiki, this is my definition of…
    DEDICATION
    In January 1948, Paul shattered his right arm and elbow in a near-fatal automobile accident on an icy Route 66 just west of Davenport, Oklahoma. Mary Ford was driving the Buick convertible, which rolled several times down a creekbed; they were on their way back from Wisconsin to Los Angeles after performing at the opening of a restaurant owned by Paul’s father. Doctors at Oklahoma City’s Wesley Presbyterian Hospital told him that they could not rebuild his elbow so that he would regain movement; his arm would remain permanently in whatever position they placed it in. Their other option was amputation. Paul instructed surgeons, brought in from Los Angeles, to set his arm at an angle—just under 90 degrees—that would allow him to cradle and pick the guitar. It took him nearly a year and a half to recover.
    I thought that happened to him when he was in the
    Army. He is the inventor of 24 track recording and I got to see him with Eddie Van Halen (before he went insane) on stage. Eddie gushed.

  322. asoka.. October 26, 2012 at 9:24 pm #

    Is it bad taste to mention a book about James bond on a site such as this one?
    ———-
    Jam47, there are no rules here about length of post, number of posts. There is only one rule about content of posts, which JHK himself has stated: no conspiracy theory posts.
    Other than that it is a free for all for racists, anti-immigration fanatics, and doomsters.
    A real clusterfuck.

  323. Jam47 October 26, 2012 at 9:26 pm #

    There’s a story, probably true, that when Hendrix decamped to England in the Fall of ’66, he so awed the young British guitarists, that at least one of them–and I think it was Clapton–thought about giving up guitar playing for good.

  324. xhalor October 26, 2012 at 9:28 pm #

    “Other than that it is a free for all for racists, anti-immigration fanatics, and doomsters.
    A real clusterfuck.”
    So, your interest here is what?
    Antagonist?

  325. asoka.. October 26, 2012 at 9:29 pm #

    There in no “interest” requirement, ding dong.

  326. xhalor October 26, 2012 at 9:32 pm #

    True enough.
    But there is a crank bitin’ requirement…
    Scurvy Dog…YEEEARGH!

  327. Radu Voda October 26, 2012 at 9:48 pm #

    r

  328. myrtlemay October 26, 2012 at 9:49 pm #

    Truer words were never spoken. Zionists…ALL of them!

  329. Radu Voda October 26, 2012 at 9:50 pm #

    A CBS affiliate declared Obama the winner. The fix may be in, so relax and enjoy your mustard tea.
    http://patdollard.com/2012/10/disturbing-cbs-news-affiliate-accidentally-runs-khyron-dated-november-6-declaring-obama-winner-of-2012-election-4340-40237966-votes-to-38116216/

  330. xhalor October 26, 2012 at 9:53 pm #

    Why…why….
    I’m fuckin’ SHOCKED!

  331. myrtlemay October 26, 2012 at 9:53 pm #

    Give me Les Paul and Mary Ford any day of the week. Beautiful guitar and vocals, and without all of the smut we have had our ears subjected to over the past 40 plus years.

  332. xhalor October 26, 2012 at 9:55 pm #

    …especially since I voted
    FOR YOU!
    You need more Monsanto Money, asshole.

  333. myrtlemay October 26, 2012 at 10:04 pm #

    I feel sorry for Muslim men if what they expect to see in Heaven is some remote image of Wayne Newton, 50 years ago or today. Lounge Lizard type then, Lounge Lizard type now. Vegas and A.C. is where he fits in just fine.

  334. myrtlemay October 26, 2012 at 10:08 pm #

    You’re lucky you got to see him. I only got to listen to him on radio and rarely on t.v.

  335. Radu Voda October 26, 2012 at 10:09 pm #

    My soldiers are coming, can you hear them outside? Or are you outside already – in which case they are inside coming out. They are going to kick out the door and take you – like the Yamadutas who will drag you to hell at the time of your death.
    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=yamadutas%2c+picture&view=detail&id=CB3C6FA4E0CC027D9E8AB58DB93EEF3563C46043&first=1

  336. Radu Voda October 26, 2012 at 10:15 pm #

    Here you go old girl – the perfect candidate: Virginia Abernathy, presidential candidte for A3P, American Third Position, an America First party for Whites and their supporters. She is being smeared by the ADL and $PLC, but even they admit she is a distinguished person – and thus more dangerous to them.
    I’m sure Asoka will be interested in joining this party.
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/10/dr-virginia-abernethys-response-to-usa-today-article/#more-16618

  337. xhalor October 26, 2012 at 10:31 pm #

    “My soldiers are coming, can you hear them outside?”
    Fire bad

  338. xhalor October 26, 2012 at 10:34 pm #

    “They are going to kick out the door
    and take you…”
    Why the fuck aren’t you in jail?

  339. xhalor October 26, 2012 at 10:45 pm #

    Here are a couple of things I’ve kept with me since childhood:
    Fastballs look dark; sliders look pale
    Katie Dear
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5nojxhd8g4&feature=related

  340. myrtlemay October 26, 2012 at 11:00 pm #

    She looks Jewish to me.

  341. Stephen Daedalus October 26, 2012 at 11:04 pm #

    Pucker needs therapy. She needs to get off the drugs & alcohol. Jesus will save her but only when she is willing.

  342. xhalor October 26, 2012 at 11:19 pm #

    Penny whistle, bitch
    ‘Course you wouldn’t know nuthin’ bout that…
    Too busy lookin’ for people to blame
    Groundhog Day!

  343. xhalor October 26, 2012 at 11:41 pm #

    I went to Cork in Ireland. It used to be a fishing village. My guide said that he would do his best, but translation of the local language would be difficult. I found what I was looking for. My family was there and left for the United States. The young men got off of the boat and were handed a Union Army uniform. The ones that didn’t, fled for Missouri and Louisiana. There are bloody and torn uniforms from both sides of the Civil War in possesion of my family.
    My grandfather told me that the price of your freedom is always blood. He was born in 1901.
    I still maintain that entire generations of thought have to die off before there is any real progress.

  344. Radu Voda October 26, 2012 at 11:52 pm #

    Mormons consider Mohammad to be a real Prophet I heard.

  345. xhalor October 27, 2012 at 12:07 am #

    I consider YOU to be a “real” prophet, Radu.
    So, is this going to be a “cage” event, or what?

  346. Radu Voda October 27, 2012 at 12:35 am #

    Then why do they hate her so much? And why is she against them?
    She could be a traitor to her people, but that is quite rare.

  347. Radu Voda October 27, 2012 at 12:43 am #

    The soldiers should have taken you already. Stay there – I gotta make a call…

  348. xhalor October 27, 2012 at 1:53 am #

    I actually made an effort. Y’all ain’t worthy.
    Gimme dat Baby Blue Strat…
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xizszr_our-love-is-fading-sheryl-crow-by-rockcitymetal_music

  349. xhalor October 27, 2012 at 2:32 am #

    ” I gotta make a call…”
    ———————————————–
    See. Now that’s a co-ink-a-dink. I made a call too.
    To those homeys in Highland Park….
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c66IfTFePiU

  350. xhalor October 27, 2012 at 2:49 am #

    Yo man. It’s Friday night. I’m gettin’ ready to leave town. I got Clapton & The Wolves. Gettin’ down with my friends. You’re fuckin’ weird. Your posts are like entertainment for us.
    Fuck! I’m so drunk that I’m not sure I should have started a new paragraph. That was hard to type.
    I’m taking musical requests, fucko. Anything on your mind? My guests want me to post links to rap music that will make your fuggin’ brain explode.
    I’m all about that.

  351. XXX5 October 27, 2012 at 3:45 am #

    So the real Xhalor comes out … either a 20-something or, befitting the “New, New America”, an idiotic middle-aged creep who’s still trying to be “hip”. Of course your guests want you to “post links to rap music” because YOU even think that shit is “music”.
    Radu Voda may be highly eccentric but his knowledge base is a hundred times yours. You, Xhalor, are what the new working class in America is like … hating any refinement or erudition. Guys like you are a primary reason why I’m ashamed to be an American in 2012.
    We’ve exported our poisonous media products to the world so now you even get to be a citizen of the world because they’re all sinking to our level and dingbats like you imagine that the current version of America is as virtuous as 1960.
    A drunk, bloviating fool but he’s a ‘murkin rock ‘n roller. Sigh.
    E.

  352. Pucker October 27, 2012 at 6:56 am #

    Daedalus said: “Pucker needs therapy. She needs to get off the drugs & alcohol. Jesus will save her but only when she is willing.”
    I don’t do drugs, and I’m a heterosexual male. For the rest, like you Daedalus, I just “wing it”….

  353. Pucker October 27, 2012 at 7:21 am #

    What does Satan say when he approaches you?
    Does he say: “Hey…”
    Or, does he say: “Yo!”
    Or, does he say: “Hey Man, I know what you need…”

  354. Pucker October 27, 2012 at 7:29 am #

    When I was a kid in the U.S. after school on TV there was a TV show called “Hogan’s Heroes”.
    It was a sitcom about the madcap hilarity of life inside a N//a, zi POW camp during WWII.

  355. Pucker October 27, 2012 at 7:32 am #

    So when they go up in those hot air balloons and float around up there, what goes on up there in those hot air balloons? What are they do’n up there?

  356. Pucker October 27, 2012 at 8:01 am #

    Why do they call religion-for-kids “Sunday School”?
    When exactly does someone graduate from “Sunday School”?
    What comes after “Sunday School”? “Monday School”?

  357. Pucker October 27, 2012 at 8:31 am #

    You don’t suppose that sociological tempests, like collapses, revolutions, etc., bear a certain resemblance to natural tempests, like hurricanes and tornadoes?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ohIVzIZLuQ

  358. Widespreadpanic7 October 27, 2012 at 8:44 am #

    Anybody heard from Q? I kind of miss his posts … the guy had been around and knew what he was about … that humorous, pettifogging busting of balls over grammer, syntax, and punctuation, all I believe, in good humor.
    Anyway this Hurricane (Sandy) is headed straight for Qs house in New Jersey. If you’re reading this batten down the hatches Q. The Storm of this Century, maybe any century, is coming your way.
    Can anybody here read Melville? I’ve been trying to read ‘Billy Budd’ but that mid19th prose just loses me and I find my mind wandering. Hawthorne, no problem. It will take some bearing down and rigorous discipline to get thru my tattered copy of ‘Billy Budd’.
    I’m still looking around for signs of societal collapse Jim Talks about. I’ve been in countries that have actually collapsed — Haiti for starters. And now I’m reading ‘Yankee Come Home’, By William Craig, Big Lib Author, George Bush Hater and War Protester from Vermont. He sneaks into Cuba under false pretenses, visiting Santiago and the Spanish American War battlefields of 1898. His goal is to get a look at the Guantanamo Naval Base from the Cuban side, but that plan is thwarted by menacing agents from the Ministry of the Interior. He is partial to Cuba and the Revolution, but he describes a nation that has collapsed, what with shortages of everything, repressive police and intelligence agents everywhere, crumbling roads and buildings, rampant street crime and a fearful population. In the end he is relieved to return to the US, where “everything still works”.
    We have a long way to go down before you can say we’ve collapsed. I see don’t see too many shortages of anything, on the contrary, I see an abundance. And things still do work. My furnace needed maintenance; I called a local company. There was somebody here the next day. Septic needed pumping; that afternoon the pumper was here (classic sewer pump guy, big belly, could see his ass crack when he bent over, started telling me about his new Remington Shotgun) When Electrical Work had to be done last summer I called a friend who has a company; he came out right away and didn’t even charge me. I’m no Panglossian. Jim says we’ve “entered the zone”. I don’t know about that. I think the conditions he predicts in TLE and Too Much Magic might be at least 75 years to a century away.
    –WSP7

  359. LifeSupport October 27, 2012 at 9:52 am #

    “I see don’t see too many shortages of anything, on the contrary, I see an abundance. And things still do work.”
    I’d say that’s actually a pretty nice way of restating the problem: We have an abundance of things that still work, and this has been true for so long that most of us are so utterly dependent upon them that the prospect of seeing a lot of them suddenly quit working is so horrific that we don’t even want to think about it, much less try to prepare for it. These “things” are not merely conveniences; they define us.
    Jared Diamond postulated that a major factor in the failure of the Norse Greenland colonies was that those colonists had imported a cultural mindset that was simply not a good fit to the local conditions, and became less so as those conditions changed. Archaeological evidence suggests that as the sons and grandsons of pastoralists (and raiders), this cultural inertia prevented them from easily making a transition to a lifestyle better suited to the area by turning to fishing and seal hunting instead. As long as the cattle thing was working, they stuck with that. The interesting thing is that they apparently continued to stick with it long past the point where it must have been obvious that it was no longer working (for reasons we are better positioned to understand than they were: climate change and degradation of soil that was thin to begin with).
    So the problem is not just that we have an abundance (or even a plethora) of things which are still working (and to which we are very attached), and that there are good reasons to expect them not to continue to do so for much longer. It’s that our efforts to adapt to that change are token, at best. The entrenched cultural mindset overwhelmingly has us continuing to flog the ground ever harder — ignoring the diminishing returns — in an attempt to rescue a doomed lifestyle.
    Will it end with a bang, or a whimper? Hard to say. Maybe a drawn-out whimper punctuated with the occasional bang here and there.

  360. Widespreadpanic7 October 27, 2012 at 10:04 am #

    Phew!!!
    Nicely put, LifeSupport! I don’t even think JHK could have said it better.
    I’ll need to pick up a volume of Jared Diamonds work. I’ve seen him referenced here a number of times. Time to look into it myself.
    –WSP7

  361. LifeSupport October 27, 2012 at 10:41 am #

    The one arguably most relevant here is “Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed”.
    For me, “Guns, Germs, and Steel” reduces to a premise so simple it can be expressed in a single sentence: Orientation of continents is a major driver of cultural development because East/West orientation better provides for the spread, across narrower ranges of latitude, of grain crops that are vital to the creation of large cities, large armies, and the technological advancements these inspire and foster. The book is mostly a series of illustrations of that premise, which I found tedious by the end.
    Collapse, on the other hand, I found more readable even though its central premise can also be summed up rather succinctly: Societies succeed or fail on the basis of their ability to effectively deal with such environmental factors as deforestation, soil degradation, over-harvesting of resources, overpopulation, etc — and failure may occur at one or more of four stages: failure to anticipate, failure to plan, failure to execute, or failure to… succeed (the apparent tautology of the latter is resolved by the explanation that it refers to a plan that was faithfully executed but simply didn’t work).
    Each of the examples he provides (the Norse Greenland colonies, the Maya, the Anasazi, Easter Island, and several others) has some unique and fascinating elements. At one point he invites the reader to join him in wondering what might have been going on at the time inside the head of the Easter Islander who had the dubious privilege of being the one to cut down the very last tree on what had previously been a heavily forested island (and essentially cutting the island off forever from trade with other islands by eliminating the last hope for restoring a resource vital to the building of seaworthy vessels).

  362. asoka.. October 27, 2012 at 11:09 am #

    These “things” are not merely conveniences; they define us.
    Very good statement, Lifesupport.
    What we need to do is change our mindset from a consumer-thing-oriented mindset to a permacultural mindset.
    Adopting a permacultureal mindset means we become more preoccupied with hugelkultur, natural beekeeping, swales, keyline, polyculture, multitiered food forests, seed balls, living mulches, chop and drop, seed broadcasting, Rocket mass heaters, Cob ovens, alternative construction (including adobe bricks!), etc.
    Instead of reading Jared Diamond, who theorizes about large-scale, abstract cultural changes, try these books about focusing on meeting you own individual needs for food and shelter, in ways that are sustainable and in harmony with nature:
    The Earthbuilders’ Encyclopedia, 2nd edition, by Joseph M. Tibbets
    Gaia’s Garden: A Guide to Home-Scale Permaculture by Toby Hemenway
    Edible Forest Gardens, Volume 1: Ecological Vision and Theory for Temperate Climate Permaculture by Dave Jacke
    Permaculture: A Designers’ Manual by Bill Mollison (also, other books by Mollison, like Introduction to Permaculture, Permaculture One, Permaculture Two)
    The One-Straw Revolution by Masanobu Fukuoka
    The New Self Sufficient Gardener by John Seymour
    The Humanure Handbook: A Guide to Composting Human Manure by Joseph C. Jenkins
    Sepp Holzer’s Permaculture: A Practical Guide to Small-Scale, Integrative Farming and Gardening by Sepp Holzer
    The Hand-Sculpted House: A Practical and Philosophical Guide to Building a Cob Cottage
    by Ianto Evans
    Tom Brown’s Guide to Wild Edible and Medicinal Plants by Tom Brown
    Rocket Mass Heaters: Superefficient Woodstoves You Can Build by Ianto Evans
    How to Grow More Vegetables: And Fruits, Nuts, Berries, Grains, and Other Crops Than You Ever Thought Possible on Less Land Than You Can Imagine by John Jeavons

  363. asoka.. October 27, 2012 at 11:46 am #

    Here is an annotated list of the “100 Best Permaculture & Homesteading Books: The Ultimate Reading List for Sustainable Living”
    http://permaculture-media-download.blogspot.com/2011/11/best-permaculture-homesteading-books.html
    You don’t have to buy books. Use your public library and its interlibrary loan service.
    The annotated list also includes links to free e-books and free e-resources, like this one:
    Full eBook online: Bill Mollison – Permaculture Design Courses Series

  364. LifeSupport October 27, 2012 at 12:13 pm #

    I mostly agree with what you say about Diamond focusing mostly on large-scale, abstract cultural changes, but I think those lessons can be applied to small-scale concrete cultural changes. In the face of degradation of large-scale systems, how well local communities will be able to cobble together smaller-scale systems to replace the things previously provided by those large-scale systems will vary a lot from one place to another, as JHK’s writings show.
    I’m delighted to see that Fukuoka is still remembered. Really takes me back. There’s a review blurb still stuck in my head that goes something like: “If your first impulse upon reading this book is to want to run right out and ‘naturalize’ your farm, it suggests that you haven’t fully absorbed the message.” Much further upthread, I mentioned that if you have time to experiment, or are pursuing gardening as a form of recreation, you can do whatever you want. Failure, after all, is often more instructive than success. Fukuoka himself developed his methods through long and painful experience which incuded some rather spectacular failures.
    I’d like to think we all have time for that, but, again, I wouldn’t count on it. There will always be new innovations, but small-scale agriculture isn’t rocket science, and if rocket science has anything to offer it, my feeling is that it will mostly come long after there has been a massive abandoning of the whole Buck Rogers vision of the future.

  365. asoka.. October 27, 2012 at 12:21 pm #

    I’m delighted to see that Fukuoka is still remembered. Really takes me back.
    ===========
    If memory serves, One Straw Revolution was published in the late 70’s. For some of us who were alive in the 40’s, that’s not that far back!
    🙂

  366. LifeSupport October 27, 2012 at 12:27 pm #

    Much further back than the late 70s, and my memory starts getting pretty fuzzy. For some strange reason.

  367. asoka.. October 27, 2012 at 12:32 pm #

    OK, you made me look it up.
    There was a 1970 edition, then a 1978 edition, and then a 2009 edition. Viva Fukuoka!

  368. asoka.. October 27, 2012 at 2:45 pm #

    CLIMATE CHANGE FACTS
    ** Torrential downpours in the United States are occurring a third more often than in 1948.
    ** New England has been the worst hit, with torrential downpours 85% more common now than in 1948.
    NOTE: These findings are based on actual historical records, and are not a matter of projection.
    ** Storms are 10% more intense now than when Truman was president.
    ** Hurricanes are a more contentious issue than storms but models show that the speed of hurricane winds could increase by as much as 13 percent over the next century as a result of our production of carbon dioxide
    ** Rainfall rates will increase 10-31 percent in hurricanes.
    ** Because of the rising level of the seas, hurricanes will cause larger storm surges.
    ** For every one degree increase Celsius produces a 10% increase in lightning, with the attendant dangers of increased forest and other fires.
    ** Solar energy is not “more expensive” than coal or natural gas if you figure in the expensiveness of climate change. [Add in another $1 Billion in costs related to coal for Hurricane Sandy about to hit the east coast.]
    ** In many markets, wind and solar are already competitive, and if the damage hydrocarbons are doing to our economy were taken into account, they’d be the only game in town.
    ** One of the many indexes of the failure of American democracy is that our candidates can’t even publicly say the name of our worst nemesis. [But they are cancelling campaign events in coastal parts of Virginia due to CLIMATE CHANGE.]
    SOURCE

  369. asoka.. October 27, 2012 at 3:01 pm #

    ON PICKING WINNERS AND LOSERS
    USA DOE invested in 63 alternative energy companies and five went bankrupt, an 8% failure rate.
    MITT ROMNEY, CEO OF BAIN CAPITAL, invested in 77 companies and 17 went bankrupt, a 22% failure rate.
    The USA Federal Government has a better track record than Mitt Romney when it comes to picking winners.
    Romney has a better record at picking losers.

  370. Radu Voda October 27, 2012 at 3:14 pm #

    Interesting report by the Joint Chiefs. They acknowlege peak oil occured a couple of years ago. And say that we should start seeing major effects around now. They don’t predice collapse either. Of course, they’re not very interested in ordinary people…. A kind of Brazil North is obviously in the cards for us. The Chiefs see our mass increase in population as a good thing! Mixed population, no problemo etc.
    I think they are kidding themselves. But even they admit that knowing oneself and one’s enemy a la Sun Tzu isn’t always easy. Actually the main obstacles are self image and other image – as in earning a living if you speak your mind. The actual author(s) may know that it’s not going to work out so well domesticaly, but the Chiefs wouldn’t want to hear about that so it doesn’t get said.
    http://www.jfcom.mil/newslink/storyarchive/2010/JOE_2010_o.pdf

  371. Radu Voda October 27, 2012 at 3:31 pm #

    Yes, he’s rolling in the gutter and breaking his Ipod in the process. He then blames the Republican Party and Sarah Palin for being without his toons.

  372. Radu Voda October 27, 2012 at 3:35 pm #

    All that stuff is back on ME TV. Remember Agarn? He’s in the movie the Monitors. I watched Lost in Space the other night – it was great. The robot is a great character.

  373. asoka.. October 27, 2012 at 3:41 pm #

    A kind of Brazil North is obviously in the cards for us.
    We should be so lucky!
    I have traveled all over Brazil from Manaus to Iguazu Falls. Brazil North would be a blessing for the USA, but it won’t happen. I wish the USA could achieve Brazil’s level of integration and multiculturalism. With its mix of Portuguese, African and Native Indigenous cultures Brazil is a great country full of culture and beautiful people.

  374. Radu Voda October 27, 2012 at 3:52 pm #

    I’m trying to learn Tumo so I don’t freeze to death in the coming global freeze – be it either man made or otherwise.

  375. asoka.. October 27, 2012 at 4:03 pm #

    All things born must die. That is our nature. Why do you fight your nature? The goose is out!

  376. Radu Voda October 27, 2012 at 4:10 pm #

    Yes Brazil is fortunate: the people don’t need nearly the amount of heating the fuel we do. It’s going to really suck to be without it here. Also despite the othewise crippling number of Negroes, Mestizos, and Indians – Brazil is still firmly under the control of Whites or Portuguese descent as well as some Whites of Italian, German, etc descent.
    And they are free to develop without a crippling military/industrial complex that drains us.

  377. Radu Voda October 27, 2012 at 4:14 pm #

    So why not kill ourselves right now? God gave us an instinct for self preservation, Soak.
    Freud’s view of the Death Instinct that he felt was always compromising him, was really a suppresed need to transcend himself that he wouldn’t listen to – so it sabotaged him.
    Whites are suffering from some kind of thanatos though – otherwise we would have thrown off this alien domination long ago. But we are so focused on the supposedly “moral” that we would rather die than be called racists.

  378. Radu Voda October 27, 2012 at 5:25 pm #

    The Muslim cruelty to animals is monstrous (much like Jewish Kosher) but I must admit, it makes fine training for war….
    http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=11340

  379. anti soak October 27, 2012 at 5:29 pm #

    I knew a fellow from Israel who said part of his Military training there was ‘being locked in a box, where he had to kill a cat’.

  380. anti soak October 27, 2012 at 5:31 pm #

    You may find his books at the Library.
    he is an entertaining storyteller but no scientist.
    And he is anti White [those cannibals are smarter than Whites , etc].
    You may find him talking at YouTube.
    His talks I find very boring.

  381. XXX5 October 27, 2012 at 7:10 pm #

    Vlad said:
    Yes, he’s rolling in the gutter and breaking his Ipod in the process. He then blames the Republican Party and Sarah Palin for being without his toons.
    *****************************************************************
    He’s like the current incarnation of Republicans who still imagine that we’re the country we were in 1960 and “if you don’t like it, git out”. The working class in the USA in 2012 is a gutter culture. Vlad, you might enjoy Charles Murray’s “Coming Apart: The State of White America from 1960-2010” … Murray of “Bell Curve” fame.
    Middle aged people who like the same music as their kids is indicative of Whites becoming WIGGERS en masse. And, like Xhalor, they rub their ghetto tastes in your face. You and I, according to the new ethos, are “squares”.
    E.

  382. Radu Voda October 27, 2012 at 9:12 pm #

    Perhaps a principle here: it’s been said that when the ruling class adopts the pass times of the hoi polloi, the Nation is doomed. So at a higher level than your example, George Will and others are avid baseball fans…
    Or the Queen knighting Mick Jagger and playing rock at offical royal functions.

  383. Pucker October 27, 2012 at 9:13 pm #

    A prospective employer wants to see my official “Sunday School” transcripts.

  384. Radu Voda October 27, 2012 at 9:20 pm #

    Maybe that’s where the story of the SS candidates tearing they eyes out of kittens come from – Jewish projection. As you know, the Big Lie is ascribed to Hitler but he was talking about the Jews doing it.
    Or perhaps it is true. That’s possible too.

  385. Pucker October 27, 2012 at 9:57 pm #

    I heard that Norman Bates just got out of prison and that he’s planning on opening a Bates Motel hotel franchise.
    He’s now looking to recruit franchisees with particular experience in taxidermy.

  386. Pucker October 27, 2012 at 10:01 pm #

    I knew a bloke in “High” school whose hobby was taxidermy.
    If I was a parent, I think that I’d forbid my kid from stuffing dead animals. I imagine that every taxidermist at some point in their careers must think about what it would be like to stuff dead people?

  387. anti soak October 27, 2012 at 10:15 pm #

    Just when I think I have heard it all.
    Ad with grade schoolers sing BHOs praise!!!
    Imagine an America
    Where strip mines are fun and free
    Where gays can be fixed
    And sick people just die
    And oil fills the sea
    We don’t have to pay for freeways!
    Our schools are good enough
    Give us endless wars
    On foreign shores
    And lots of Chinese stuff
    We’re the children of the future
    American through and through
    But something happened to our country
    And we’re kinda blaming you
    We haven’t killed all the polar bears
    But it’s not for lack of trying
    Big Bird is sacked
    The Earth is cracked
    And the atmosphere is frying
    Congress went home early
    They did their best we know
    You can’t cut spending
    With elections pending
    Unless it’s welfare dough
    We’re the children of the future
    American through and through
    But something happened to our country
    And we’re kinda blaming you
    Find a park that is still open
    And take a breath of poison air
    They foreclosed your place
    To build a weapon in space
    But you can write off your au pair
    It’s a little awkward to tell you
    But you left us holding the bag
    When we look around
    The place is all dumbed down
    And the long term’s kind of a drag
    We’re the children of the future
    American through and through
    But something happened to our country
    And yeah, we’re blaming you
    You did your best
    You failed the test
    Mom and Dad
    We’re blaming you
    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/10/27/pro-obama-ad-features-children-singing-about-america-where-sick-peopl#disqus_thread#ixzz2AYV20TVO

  388. Pucker October 27, 2012 at 10:45 pm #

    During a recent trip back to the U.S., an American bloke remarked that many obese Americans don’t know that they’re fat.
    JHK seems to have that relatively rare, unique ability for noticing the obvious.
    What do we call the ability or faculty for being able to recognize the obvious? Insight? Common sense?

  389. Pucker October 27, 2012 at 11:01 pm #

    I bet that the various state Department of Motor Vehicles have lists of all of the egotistical, personalized car license plate messages (like “Sex Man”, “Love U”, or “Asoka”) that appear just above and to the left of the car tail pipes which spew deadly fumes and smog into the precious air that we breath.
    I would be interested in perusing such lists. Thank you.
    Trick-or-Treat!

  390. Nastarana October 27, 2012 at 11:13 pm #

    1. Women are emotional. And “opinioned”? Opinionated? That’s rich, coming from an angry white male, who can hardly frame a paragraph without denouncing some other group.
    2. Women are stubborn. Stubbornness is a tactic. Sometimes it is useful, such as when you are dealing with school officials, and sometimes not.
    3. Women are vidictive. Only towards those who won’t leave us alone.

  391. Nastarana October 27, 2012 at 11:18 pm #

    John Jeavon’s book is the place to start, I think. I have had very good success with the Biodynamic French Intensive Method (it could also be called Chinese Intensive Method) for about 15 years.

  392. ak October 28, 2012 at 10:08 am #

    P. A few years ago I’ve lists of banned plates (like this one) one theSmokingGun.com website, but cannot find them right now.

  393. ozone October 28, 2012 at 10:17 am #

    The nest of vipers that is now representative of the financial sector hold the scepter of power in the world today. They mean us no good.
    Apologists for plutocracy are my mortal enemies. There is a poster on this very board who is just such a one. I find his mixings of the life-of-the-mind and the lowest of sadistic hedonism abhorrent and deceptive in the extreme.
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32872.htm
    Read and weep. The French Third Republic’s oligarchs lead it down the road to ruin (right-wing style) and ultimately welcomed the Nazis into their midst to protect their wealth and ease from the rabble. This is what that “certain poster” finds perfectly acceptable, and also why I find the reality of the opinions expressed questionable (to say the least).
    Ask yourself: would you really welcome a Nazi-style governance? Seriously? You’d better ask the question, because the past is prologue and this path we’re on is not unique.

  394. ozone October 28, 2012 at 10:28 am #

    “The very fact that the detailed reports of a Murder, Inc. being run out of the West Wing of the White House have not prompted a public outcry and demands for Obama’s impeachment is testimony to the collapse of democratic consciousness within America’s ruling political establishment. Just as the economic practices of Wall Street and corporate America have assumed an increasingly criminal character, so the essential functioning of the state itself is ever more bound up with murder, brutality and extra-constitutional repression.” -Bill Van Auken
    It is well-begun.

  395. ront October 28, 2012 at 10:28 am #

    “What do we call the ability or faculty for being able to recognize the obvious? Insight? Common sense?”
    I’ll take a shot. How about disillusionment and daring to question conventional “wisdom?”

  396. Pucker October 28, 2012 at 11:15 am #

    N. wrote: ” I have had very good success with the Biodynamic French Intensive Method (it could also be called Chinese Intensive Method)….”
    Me too….

  397. ozone October 28, 2012 at 11:20 am #

    Trust us to maintain your electronic voting machines. Really, we know what we’re doing (and you don’t).
    http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/7853
    We’ve been servicing the publick since 2000; qui’cher worryin’.

  398. asoka.. October 28, 2012 at 12:28 pm #

    War is the health of the State. — Bourne
    Property is theft. — Proudhon
    Religion is the opiate of the people. — Marx
    Be a light unto yourself. — Buddha
    Be a joke unto yourself. — Osho

  399. asoka.. October 28, 2012 at 12:37 pm #

    War is the health of the State. — Bourne
    Property is theft. — Proudhon
    Religion is the opiate of the people. — Marx
    Be a light unto yourself. — Buddha
    Be a joke unto yourself. — Osho

  400. Jam47 October 28, 2012 at 12:54 pm #

    Numerous people who are themselves cultural sophisticates think that many of the art forms included in the high-culture category are stultifying crap.
    One day it dawns on them that ballet is no more than prettified gymnastics, or that many of the old master paintings leave them cold because the images they’ve absorbed from movies and TV are a hundred times more vivid, or that the Nineteenth Century novel is too cumbersome and slow for their zooming nervous systems, or that listening to Mozart is like listening to a sewing machine.
    Many of the consumers of high culture consume it because it makes them feel worthy. Cultural consumption becomes an act of moral self regard. Aesthetics runs a poor second.
    An illustration of the above point is the “rigorous discipline” that Widespreadpanic feels he is going to have to summon to batter his way through Billy Budd. Now why the hell would anyone want to turn novel-reading into a job of hard work, to turn it into a kind of mental ditch-digging? Better to turn on the TV and watch a Tony Bennett concert or an episode of the Sopranos.
    The full appreciation of much so-called high culture takes hard work. Consider America’s Abstract Expressionists. To fully an AE picture you have to be knowledgeable about the history and theory of Western painting from Giotto forward.T

  401. asoka.. October 28, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

    Yeah, well, a lot of so-called high culture is Imperialist, Racist and Misogynist. The Romantic Orientalists who set the stage for the Symbolists and Expressionists (that worked from the ‘Primitive’) were intentionally racist, creating images explicitly serving to uphold Imperialism and Colonialism. The Symbolists and Expressionists largely used the irrational ‘Primitive’ to combat rational “civilization”, but in so doing they only perpetuated the stereotypes functioning to uphold Empire. The Expressionists were largely Socialists and Anarchists (except the Fauves apart from Vlaminck), and these guys cared about social justice, and they thought they were doing right. But they simply were not aware of the prejudices they held. In the end they have done a lot more harm than good by defining the modern artist as a white man and only a white man (the best a woman could aspire to was to “see like a woman and paint like a man”), and there was practically no place whatsoever for non-Europeans in the discourse.

  402. Jam47 October 28, 2012 at 1:12 pm #

    …from Giotto forward. Who has the time? And why bother? The frisson you’re going to get from one of these picture is not that great anyway.
    Maybe some of you have read of the first big showdown between a selection of California wines and the fables Grand Cru wine of Bordeaux. In a blind taste testing by experts, the California wines came out on top.
    An experiment: apply some kind of inner blindfold to the minds of high-culture consumers so to free them from a lifetime of academic and journalistic browbeating, and then stand back and observe the effects. Many of the works in the high-culture cannon–in music, in literature, in painting–would be ditched.

  403. Jam47 October 28, 2012 at 1:20 pm #

    Good points.

  404. Jam47 October 28, 2012 at 1:42 pm #

    Canon, not cannon.
    To Widespreadpanic, or whoever it was: when you get tired of Herman Melville, try one or two of these.
    Beard’s Roman Women by Anthony Burgess.
    The Takeover by Muriel Spark.
    Amsterdam by Ian Mcewan
    Stallion Gate by Martin Cruz Smith.
    London Fields by Martin Amis.

  405. Rhino October 28, 2012 at 4:11 pm #

    Ozone
    Great post. Those who would live under a Nazi tyranny have never lived under a Nazi tyranny and, I would submit, have not the slightest idea what it entails.
    Such people believe the propaganda, they think that such a regime would have their personal interests at heart, that such a regime’s governing policies would be not only for the collective glory but also to their own personal gain, that they would be one of the “ins” who benefit as opposed to one of the “outs” who suffer.
    Such people are like the turkey that thinks the farmer has its best interests at heart because for 90 straight days the farmer shows up with food and water and a shovel to clean up its shit. But on the 91st day the farmer shows up with a knife. The Nazi nomenklatura are that farmer and the ordinary citizen is the turkey.
    Such people cannot comprehend that the nature of Nazi tyranny is to regard the individual as a pawn that must show no fear or self interest and who must be willing to act when the order is given to expend his life without question or hesitation or thought.
    But such people are great optimists, they think that they would be the favored people, not the lowly pawn who ends up dead. They see themselves as the order-giver and not the order-taker. What a shock to find out otherwise.
    As you say, past is prologue. And as it says in Eccclesiastes (I think) there is nothing new under the sun. There was nothing all that new or unique about the 20th Century Nazi’s way of thinking or behaving. They had the assist of modern technology and communications and a modern industrial state that made killing much more efficient. But, never mind all those contrivances, it was human nature in all its glory (or in-glory) manifesting itself. As it was in the past it will be in the future.
    Modern day oligarchs (American or otherwise) may find the notion of a Nazi-style despotism of the oligarchs, by the oligarchs, for the oligarchs to their liking, thinking that a nest of thieves would be running a regime for the benefit of thieves like them.
    But it’s in the nature of thieves to steal. And so there will be oligarchs who possess things that more powerful, more connected oligarchs want.
    And so some of the oligarchs will one day find themselves confronted by big men with guns directing them to sign documents surrendering their stolen loot. And such oligarchs would no doubt find themselves standing against a wall. Never mind that they are party faithful. Never mind their past and present loyalty. They thought they were big fish. But there are bigger fish. Or nastier fish or more conniving fish.

  406. Radu Voda October 28, 2012 at 6:58 pm #

    Nazi – as in Fascist or National Socialist? Nazi was mostly a Jew word as the National Socialists didn’t call themselves that. Ok? Can we go on?
    Next. Fascism isn’t Plutocracy. I’ve told you this before you stupid dildo. In Fascism, the Goverment regulates Industry for the good of the Nation – as in the far East although they don’t call themselves that. In Plutocracy, the Corporations and Bankes run the Goveremnt for their own good. So you’re right that they’re bad, but you have you nomenclature completely confused. What does it matter? It matters because until you clear your head, you’ll never be able to find the truth. Hancock, Wage, – all of you are in the same boat called millions of years. Read Jack London’s “The Iron Heel” if you are still confused.
    Also this: one man’s journey to understand National Socialism and its economic miracle undertaken by the Magister Gottfried Feder.
    http://www.geniebusters.org/what-is-national-socialism.htm

  407. Radu Voda October 28, 2012 at 7:07 pm #

    Japan is ruled by Oligarchs too – for the good of Japan. America is ruled by Oligarchs – for their own good. Can you not SEE? A small number of people are always in control – the results depend on their qualities of intelligence and virtue. I understand your pessimism about power corrupting, but this is simply the truth. Democracy being a lie merely ensures that things will be corrupt. Of course consent of the governed is important and that’s where voting by the qualified comes in. Why is any of this so radical? It’s obvious.
    Btw, Ozone knows about the Jews, he just doesn’t have the courage to talk about it. He doesn’t want his fellow travelers to call him a “Nazi” – a nonsense word now in any case. It sounds chilling because of the z sound. The Jews know their business that’s for sure. Of course Americans make it very easy for them by being utterly dumbed down and distracted.

  408. Radu Voda October 28, 2012 at 7:12 pm #

    Yeah but you attacked Prog, who goes out of his way to be polite to everyone – even if they don’t deserve it. Thus I defeat you effortlessly and show your true character.
    So you are for all groups? All except White Men? I saw it immediately of course. You will rue the day if and when you are ruled by Non Whites.
    You are bright though – you could do better. It a question of the heart with you. Your bitterness distorts your mind.

  409. k-dog October 28, 2012 at 7:19 pm #

    The large companies which will be laying off you referenced in investmentwatchblog only report regular employees. Permatemps are the first to go and companies don’t even have to count them as employees. The number of actual layoffs will easily be double what investmentwatchblog reported.
    Dogs will be hungry.

  410. Jam47 October 28, 2012 at 7:30 pm #

    I don’t get your argument. You say that the American plutocracy might not like what happens to it if America becomes a true dictatorship, comparing–it seems– their likely fate to the actual fate of France’s rich during the German occupation. But Lofgren says that France’s rich “were not unduly discomfited.” Maybe America’s plutocracy won’t be either.
    I’m a sucker for any post that mentions the French. I’m kind of a cynical Francophile.

  411. k-dog October 28, 2012 at 7:35 pm #

    The answer to your question is very simple. I was skimming through “Democracy in America” early last summer and Tocqueville’s made the point that white America at the time was incredibly uniform in terms of equality and literacy. Everyone was part of essentially the same community in equal standing with each other. Negroes and Native Americans however were not part of the same ‘community’ and did not merit the same ethical consideration. Alexis de Tocqueville’s also noted this.
    American community has been lost and with it the desire to treat equals and members of the same tribe with natural ethical consideration.
    Equality is one of the cornerstones of a sustainable happy society along with freedom. however equality is no longer valued in America.
    As inequality widens and society becomes more polarized ethical erosion between classes will intensify.
    Human nature.

  412. k-dog October 28, 2012 at 7:39 pm #

    I still maintain that entire generations of thought have to die off before there is any real progress.
    I feel ya.

  413. k-dog October 28, 2012 at 7:42 pm #

    No he says: You got sumthin for me!

  414. k-dog October 28, 2012 at 7:53 pm #

    Jared Diamond postulated that a major factor in the failure of the Norse Greenland colonies was that those colonists had imported a cultural mindset that was simply not a good fit to the local conditions, and became less so as those conditions changed.
    Yes, besides pissing off latecoming Inuits from whom they could have learned and traded there was cultural momentum which could not change because the power holders benefited when small farms failed. Contraction produced enrichment of the large already rich landowners. The social stasis produced then resulted in extinction when the Norse could not adapt to the little ice age. Evidence that they maintained cattle when other less prestigious animals were better suited to the environment is evidence of this.
    Too bad none of the miniature cows they bred survived. I think they might have been cute.

  415. k-dog October 28, 2012 at 8:22 pm #

    My thoughts exactly!!
    Thank you for that. I am not alone.

  416. Radu Voda October 28, 2012 at 8:23 pm #

    Great show on last night: Dolphins are the dogs of the Mermen.

  417. Radu Voda October 28, 2012 at 8:26 pm #

    The Inuit seemed to have slaughtered the remaining Norsemen and taken their women. Same thing happened to the first Americans – White hunters who had come across the ice to North America.

  418. Boob-Ça October 29, 2012 at 1:21 am #

    Regarding the state;
    “The ‘iron law of oligarchy’ states that all forms of organization, regardless of how democratic they may be at the start, will eventually and inevitably develop oligarchic tendencies, thus making true democracy practically and theoretically impossible, especially in large groups and complex organizations. The relative structural fluidity in a small-scale democracy succumbs to ‘social viscosity’ in a large-scale organization. According to the ‘iron law’, democracy and large-scale organization are incompatible.”
    ~ Wikipedia
    “A band society is the simplest form of human society… it has been defined as consisting of no more than 30 to 50 individuals…
    Bands have a loose organization. Their power structure is often egalitarian and has informal leadership; the older members of the band generally are looked to for guidance and advice, and decisions are often made on a consensus basis, but there are no written laws and none of the specialised coercive roles (e.g., police) typically seen in more complex societies.”
    ~ Wikipedia
    “Anarchism is generally defined as a political philosophy which holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary, or harmful, or, alternatively, as opposing authority or hierarchical organization in the conduct of human relations. Proponents of anarchism, known as ‘anarchists’, advocate stateless societies based on non-hierarchical voluntary associations.”
    ~ Wikipedia
    Make the connections.

  419. Buck Stud October 29, 2012 at 1:39 am #

    The full appreciation of much so-called high culture takes hard work. Consider America’s Abstract Expressionists. To fully an AE picture you have to be knowledgeable about the history and theory of Western painting from Giotto forward.T

    I agree with the above. And isn’t that the difference between say, the equivalent of a cotton-candy meal – ‘Sugar, sugar, you are my candy girl” – and a full course aesthetic meal prepared by the likes of a master, such as Rachmaninoff?
    In the former, you open your mouth, grunt and swallow for a transient arousal of your taste buds. In the latter, you fondle, admire, relish and savor, satiated with the realization that your meal is like a time-release capsule that only intensifies in potency over time.

  420. eud2e5s7 October 29, 2012 at 4:34 am #

    Abdulfattah Junis sagte am Mittwoch in einem Telefoninterview des Nachrichtensenders Al-Arabija, ein Anh?nger von Gaddafi habe versucht, ihn zu erschie?en. Der Schütze habe ihn jedoch verfehlt und stattdessen einen Verwandten des Ministers verletzt. Er sei nun kein Minister mehr, sondern ein Soldat im Dienste des Volkes, fügte Junis hinzu.

    Gaddafi hatte am Dienstagabend in einer wirren Ansprache im staatlichen Fernsehen erkl?rt, Aufst?ndische h?tten in der ?stlichen Stadt Bengasi den Innenminister get?tet.

  421. cartier4q October 29, 2012 at 5:39 am #

    KC completes dangerous mission to Uganda

    When KC Concepcion left for Uganda to fulfill her first field mission outside the country as the Philippines’ National Ambassador Against Hunger for the United Nations World Food Programme, not many understood the danger she had to face. KC had left her comfort zone and risked her life to pursue her advocacy.

    As part of her mission, KC visited the remote Ugandan areas of Kapchorwa, Karimojong, and Karamoja.

    “I realized it the same anyway when I go to Central Mindanao. It just that this time around, it was for a week. Usually in Mindanao, in Central Mindanao, we fly for a few hours and then fly back,” KC explained. “While we were having dinner, there were a few gun shots because somebody tried to steal some livestock, which is livelihood talaga nila. It wasn until the days went by that you actually realized that there a risk,” recounted KC.

    The danger of visiting Northern Uganda, which has just recently regained peace after two decades of conflict, was indeed very imminent.

    “We do risk our lives. A lot of our colleagues that we worked with have lost their lives while they out there. Anything can happen,” WFP Deputy Country Director Asaka Nyangara said.

    Despite the risks, the Kapamilya actress was able to achieve her mission. According to KC, the whole experience changed something in her – a change she finds hard to explain but nevertheless she welcomed wholeheartedly.

    “You think you can absorb everything when you think you strong right, emotionally, mentally, physically…but there a process pala. I think the thing that got me most was just being in the plane yeah yung 22 hour na biyahe, and then seeing the pictures which I so glad I took using my own personal camera, you see na there are things that you don see off hand when you there and then you go back to your world, you in entertainment and everything presented beautifully, everything is striving for perfection, the glitz the glamour the high heels the luxury bags, the lights the audience and then you remember this quiet arid place under the hot sun with people that you never seen or met before,” she said.

    “It hits you. If you were in a bad situation when she wants help and if you were to hear stories like that na hindi mo naman araw-araw naririnig at nakikita mo lang sa TV at minsan hindi ka naman tinatamaan kasi you can change the channel, pag nagiging totoo siya iba na yung pakiramdam talaga kasi no matter where you are or what happened kung sinong kausap mo or kung anong sabihin ng tao tungkol sa or kung anong na-achieve mo you always know na there a corner in the world that exists na ganun. And either in our daily lives we forget that these things exist or we just never knew existed,” KC told Yahoo Southeast Asia during a press conference at the White House restaurant in Quezon City.

    After her Ugandan trip, KC said that she would love to visit Africa again, in fact next to her list is Kenya. She however clarified that her main priority is to still help the Philippines as an Ambassador against Hunger. Her missions outside the country will help her see innovative programs such as “Purchase for Progress” (a program that supports households that can meet their food and nutrition needs but require increased incomes to become fully food secure) that could be applied to the country, particularly, the poverty stricken area of Central Mindanao.

    To further help WFP address the problem of hunger, the actress-singer’s website, KC Closet, auctioned off some of KC belongings to raise funds for the organization’s projects.

    “We were able to raise since late last year about half a million pesos that will all go to our projects in Central Mindanao especially for school feeding. In the last ten days, because we put up a new batch of second-hand items for online auction on eBay, in the last ten days, we were able to raise P106,000 just with most of my clothes, watches, and bags,” KC revealed.

    The UN World Food Programme, considered the largest humanitarian agency, appointed KC as the country’s National Ambassador against Hunger in 2008.

    Photo by Jerome Ascano, NPPA Images

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  422. bretiling4x October 29, 2012 at 6:45 am #

    Scottsdale Police Arrest Records

    Arrest Records Online: This is just scratching the surface the the amount of info you can find. It is thus up to the court to decide, particularly in cases where a lot of sensitive information is involved, when access to court arrest records should be given. It is usually limited to members of the court and parties to the litigation but if just cause is provided by a member of the public, then they may be given to them as well. Effective 2005 Web searches are levied at a rate of eight cents per search page including pages telling you there are no results.

    Each individual who has an entry in the Interstate Identification Index has a unique “FBI number” that is used to identify a specific individual. Even some courts waive the prescribed fee in view of public interest. See state florida criminal records Most arrests where this occurs involves a group of people involved in an activity that is considered by the general public to be contrary to the greater good. Many times when an officer makes an arrest they are just going on the basis of guilt by association and this is where the problem lies. So what does the arrestee have as a course of action that is within his rights as a citizen of the United States of America? Well unfortunately very few unless they know something about due process and when that process is being handled incorrectly and therefore illegally. Now this is not to say that you should go out and do questionable behaviors just to catch a cop with his head up his butt but it does come in useful from time to time.

  423. cartier4q October 30, 2012 at 3:01 am #

    Function parameter types in Python

    Python is strongly typed because every object has a type, every object knows its type, it’s impossible to accidentally or deliberately use an object of a type “as if” it was an object of a different type, and all elementary operations on the object are delegated to its type.

    This has nothing to do with names. A name in Python doesn’t “have a type”: if and when a name’s defined, the name refers to an object, and the object does have a type (but that doesn’t in fact force a type on the name: a name is a name is a name).

    A name in Python can perfectly well refer to different objects at different times (as in most programming languages, though not all) — and there is no constraint on the name such that, if it has once referred to an object of type X, it’s then forevermore constrained to refer only to other objects of type X. Constraints on names are not part of the concept of “strong typing”, though some enthusiasts of static typing (where names do get constrained, and in a static, AKA compile-time, fashion, too) do misuse the term this way.

  424. bretiling4x October 30, 2012 at 3:36 am #

    Promotional Pens

    Pens, pencils, highlighters, and other writing instruments are a classic way of marketing your company through promotional items. Promotional pens are one of the most popular forms of trade show giveaways being used on exhibit floors today. Don’t just give someone your business card; give them a logoed pen from your organization.

    How are Your Promotional Pens Being Used?

    The advantage to promotional gift pens is the wide selection you have to choose from. Are these pens being used to fill out raffle cards at a trade show? Are they simply sitting in a jar for passers by to pick up? The purpose of your pens should be reflected in the price. If you’re hoping everyone picks up a pen from your booth, you obviously don’t want to spend five dollars a piece on them.

    Ball point pens, fountain pens, glow-in-the-dark pens, Bic pens–there are thousands of options to choose from when selecting your promotional pens. If you are looking for an upscale pen to give to customers once they have purchased your product or services, you will want to spend a little more than you would for a trade show promotion. You want the pen to echo the message you are trying to get across. A nicer pen is a wonderful way to say thank you.

    Combine a Pen With Another Giveaway For Maximum Effectiveness

    By choosing to distribute pens at your conference or trade show, you are making a safe decision. Pen and pencil gifts sets are also a good choice. While pens are a good way to brand your company, many other of your competitors will be using similar tactics. Why not couple your pen giveaway with a more unique toy or desk accessory?

  425. eud2e5s7 October 30, 2012 at 11:08 am #

    Stefan Raab, der Mann, der nie genug kriegt. Der Uners?ttliche. Der einfach nicht kapieren will, dass man sich den sch?nsten Erfolg noch im Nachhinein kaputt machen kann, wenn man ihn auf Teufel-komm-raus wiederholen will. Aber gut, Feingefühl hat ihm noch nie einer nachgesagt.

    Soweit die Sicht von au?en. Raab selbst sieht die Sache etwas anders. Der denkt erst mal als Gesch?ftsmann. Und da w?re es doch abwegig, eine erfolgreich etablierte Marke wie Lena vorzeitig aufzugeben. „Ich habe zu Lena gesagt: Wenn das nicht der H?hepunkt deiner Karriere gewesen sein soll, dann müssen wir noch mal antreten.“

    Und es stimmt ja: Wenn Lena es jetzt nicht noch mal machen würde, w?re sie bereits vergangenes Jahr Geschichte gewesen. Es war ja schon sehr still um sie geworden. Ohne die Werbung durch die drei Shows von „Unser Song für Deutschland“ w?re ihr Album auf jeden Fall nicht so erfolgreich gewesen. Und eine Tournee h?tte es dann wohl auch nicht gegeben.

    Raab liegt es nicht, sich rar zu machen. Er ist ein Malochertyp. Katholisch zwar, aber angetrieben von einer protestantischen Arbeitsethik. Was hat er nicht schon alles gemacht für den Erfolg. Von Boxweltmeisterin Regina Halmich lie? er sich sogar rot hauen, und das nicht nur einmal, nein zweimal. Macht doch nix, wenn sich der Witz – soweit überhaupt vorhanden – beim zweiten Mal reichlich abgenutzt hatte. Die Quote war jedenfalls noch ganz passabel.

    „Ruhm bringt im Leben nichts“, sagt Raab und meint damit wohl „Ruhm“ im Sinne von „Nachruhm“, an dem man sich im Rückblick erfreut. Raab ist nicht der Typ, um zurückzublicken. Er will hier und heute eine Nummer sein im Fernsehen. Das gibt ihm was.

  426. ferreari6e October 30, 2012 at 11:34 pm #

    No5 Prada Nappa Leather Bag

    If you are a Prada fan, then you must be familiar with its major colors. It is true that most Prada bag is brown, black and white. Here this Nappa Leather Bag in black is another addition to your wardrobe. You may already possess a lot of black bags, but I bet that you never have one like this. It is new among Prada’s latest Fall Winter collection. It is unique in its special “gaufre” embossed effect.

    This black Prada bag is in high quality Nappa leather to ensure high quality. Black as it is, the bag is never boring. Instead it is rather interesting to look at, thanks to the special “gaufre” pattern, which is said to inspire from a kind of biscuit, although I can hardly capture their similarity. If any, that they are merry things for me. The bag measures 34cm in length and 19.5cm in width, which is rather spacious for daily carrying, whether go shopping or go working. Opening the bag via the zipper closure, you will see a large compartment and two interior pockets for your cell phone or credit card. The bag can be carried via its double rounded leather handles or through a removable shoulder strap. A leather ID tag goes along with the bag. The bag has gold-pleated accessories here and there, adding more glamour to the black bag, especially the Prada logo. The bag asks for 1,250.00 sterling pounds.

  427. eud2e5s7 October 31, 2012 at 10:35 am #

    Der amerikanische Altersvorsorge-Anbieter Teachers Insurance and Annuity Association of America (TIAA) will vor Gericht Millionen Dollar an Schadenersatz von der Deutschen Bank erzwingen. In der am Montag in New York eingereichten Klage wird Deutschlands gr??tem Geldhaus vorgeworfen, verbriefte Hypothekenpapiere () von schlechter Qualit?t verkauft zu haben.

    Schrottpapiere als konservative Anlage deklariert?TIAA bietet Schulen sowie anderen Bildungs- und gemeinnützigen Organisationen Altersvorsorge-Leistungen an. Der Konzern will, dass die Wertverluste von Papieren ersetzt, die das Institut verkauft hatte. TIAA h?lt der Bank vor, au?erordentlich riskante Kredite verbrieft und Kunden als angeblich konservative Anlageform angeboten zu haben. Intern dagegen seien die RMBS als ?Schrott“ bezeichnet worden. TIAA beruft sich auf einen Bericht eines Unterausschusses des US-Senats, der das Gesch?ftsgebaren der kritisierte.

    Eine Sprecherin der Deutschen Bank in New York sagte, das Institut halte die Klage für unbegründet und werde sich dagegen entschieden zur Wehr setzen.

    Zuletzt war die franz?sisch-belgische Finanzgruppe wegen umstrittener Hypothekengesch?fte gegen die Deutsche Bank vor Gericht gezogen. Davor war die Deutsche Bank wegen einer potenziell milliardenschweren Klage der US-Regierung in die Schlagzeilen geraten. Auch in diesem Fall geht es um vermutlich unsaubere Hypothekengesch?fte, allerdings nicht um Verbriefungen.

  428. borse2st October 31, 2012 at 10:42 pm #

    Ce soir, sur France 2, la pédophilie à visage découvert.

    D EPUIS près de trente ans, avec application, Daniel Karlin se penche sur la douleur des autres, drogués, autistes, chômeurs, immigrés,Louis Vuitton Outlet Italia, détenus. Il les confesse pour appréhender leurs frustrations, leurs rêves, leurs désirs obscurs, « accoucher » les vérités enfouies et tenter de modifier le regard des gens bien comme il faut sur des êtres souvent malmenés par le torrent de la vie.

    « Une affaire humaine, trop humaine »

    Cette fois, le réalisateur applique sa méthode singulière – bienveillance, patience, paternalisme, persuasion – à la pédophilie (1), à ses acteurs, une victime et son bourreau filmés à visage découvert, au travers dune histoire, une seule, exemplaire, « une affaire humaine, trop humaine ». Un « psy show » de longue haleine, à cent lieues des reportages dinvestigation saccadés, hachés, faits dimages fortes, vite oubliées, un documentaire délibérément diffusé un dimanche, à une heure de grande écoute, en lieu et place du film traditionnel, afin dalerter ceux que la honte a rendus muets, dinciter, peut-être, des coupables à réfléchir, se livrer.

    Voici Jean-Pierre, corpulent, quarante ans, auteur dabus sexuels sur mineurs. Ce nest pas un Dutroux, dit lindulgent Karlin, pas un monstre, cest « un petit bonhomme banal ». A lépoque du tournage – janvier 2000 – il vient deffectuer 44 mois de détention préventive. Il attend son procès (2). Jean-Pierre était moniteur au « Chantier », un patronage catholique traditionaliste dun autre temps, prières continuelles et salut matinal au drapeau. Cétait avant. Avant que l « affaire » néclate.

    « Jaime pas casser quelque chose, en général »

    Dans sa chambre de gosse, quil a réintégrée au sortir de Fresnes, il vit parmi ses trains électriques et ses chers bibelots quil époussette chaque jour avec une méticulosité effrayante, surtout ses éléphants miniatures – « Jaime pas casser quelque chose, en général ». Avec le même soin maniaque, il taille son maigre collier de barbe. Un crucifix orne le mur ainsi quun carillon. Jean-Pierre avoue paisiblement que oui, au « Chantier », il a abusé denfants, douze, treize, il ne sait plus trop. « Jétais comme une voiture emballée, Guillaume a été un mur qui ma arrêté ». Guillaume qui la dénoncé, en 1995.

    Voici Guillaume, vingt ans et un grand sourire de môme, questionné, comme Jean-Pierre, dans sa chambre, son univers auquel sa mère naccède quen montrant patte blanche. Après un CAP de menuisier et une courte expérience de pizzaïolo, il est magasinier, sans la moindre conviction. Lui aussi attend le procès, pour que sa vie « puisse commencer ».

    « Gentils » et « méchants câlins »

    Jean-Pierre, il la connu au « Chantier ». La « première fois », cétait lorsquil avait onze ans, « peut-être avant ». Il navait plus de père – un suicide, il était bambin, ne sen souvient plus – sa mère était toujours entre deux hôpitaux, hébétée dalcool, gavée de cachets; alors Jean-Pierre, si peu avare de son temps, de ses sous, « un Bon samaritain », a joué le rôle de labsent, puis mis lenfant dans son lit. Il y avait les « gentils câlins » et les « méchants câlins », dune part ceux dun père de substitution, de lautre ceux dun salaud.

    « Oui, jétais un salaud »

    « Oui, jétais un salaud, confie son abuseur dans sa chambrette, entre ses petits trains et ses petits éléphants, si soucieux de rédemption, oui, si je pouvais, je me cacherais. » Il dit lavoir « aimé damour », son Guillaume. Ses yeux sembuent, sa voix se brise tandis que sous le rasoir crissant sur son cou disparaît sa barbe au fur et à mesure quapproche la date de son procès. Il a peur, explique, comme si ce passé était une excuse, que lui aussi a été violé à douze ans, par un éducateur. Cétait – déjà – au « Chantier », où ses propres parents avaient séjourné. Des parents éteints, un peu veules, qui nont rien compris, ou trop tard, de toute façon, « à la maison, on ne parlait pas de sexe, jamais. » Le chat fait des allées et venues sur la table, la mère pleurniche; tout de même, Jean-Pierre cest son fils unique, son « grand ».

    Au Chantier », il y avait une sorte de réseau

    Au « Chantier », apprend-on, le directeur-abbé, lhomme des patenôtres et du salut au drapeau,borse louis vuitton, exclu depuis lors, était au courant des pratiques de Jean- Pierre et de quelques autres, couverts, absous. Il y avait là- bas une sorte de réseau, on séchangeait les enfants. Un terrifiant aveu.

    Voici Audrey, léphémère petite fiancée de Guillaume, au regard de madone, son « premier amour », qui sest efforcée de comprendre ce garçon blessé. « Jean-Pierre, il a détruit toute une famille. »

    Tout un clan prostré, brisé

    Voici la soeur jumelle, la blonde Marie, tôt partie du domicile. Elle veut être éducatrice, soccuper de petits malades du sida. « Parce que, dit-elle, je nai rien pu faire pour mon frère. » Elle bat sa coulpe, la douce Marie, comme lensemble du clan qui paraît, prostré, brisé, partager le fardeau. Vincent le frère, longtemps toxicomane et délinquant, rangé depuis et même jeune père, mais quobsèdent, toujours, le drame de Guillaume et le sien propre: il a subi, aussi, les violences de Jean-Pierre. Et Cyril, lautre frère, qui sen veut tellement: « Jaurais dû voir ». Sil na pas vu, cest que la douleur de Guillaume ne transparaissait quau travers de signes imperceptibles, presquindécelables. Mais le petit frère ne parlait pas, ne se confiait pas, hanté par la honte, la souillure, la peur.

    Il y a, sans doute, des Guillaume tout près de chez nous.

    Daniel Karlin en est persuadé, « après le procès, la prison, une thérapie, ce film, un abuseur peut redevenir un être social, estimable, et cest vrai aussi des victimes. » Il voit toujours Guillaume, qui a croisé le regard de son bourreau, lors du procès, rengainé sa haine, pardonné. Régulièrement, il senquiert du sort de Jean- Pierre, il laidera à trouver du travail quand il sortira de prison.

    [NOTE] ______ 1. « Des enfants abusés ». Réalisation Daniel Karlin. Ce soir, à 20 h 55 sur France 2. Durée: deux heures. Le film sera suivi dun débat.2. En mars, peu après le tournage, Jean-Pierre a été condamné à sept ans de réclusion.

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  432. eud2e5s7 November 5, 2012 at 8:00 pm #

    SPD-Fraktionsvize Joachim Po? hat Bundeskanzlerin Angela Merkel vorgeworfen, in der Frage einer Beteiligung privater Gl?ubiger bei der Rettung von Euro-Schuldenstaaten bewusst vage zu bleiben. ?Da muss jetzt Klarheit geschaffen werden“, forderte Po? am Freitag im ZDF. Diese Erwartung müsse man auch an den EU-Gipfel im Juni stellen. Po? warf der Kanzlerin vor, aus rein innenpolitischen Gründen und aus Rücksicht auf ihre Bundestagsfraktion die Frage einer Beteiligung privater Gl?ubiger seit Beginn der Euro-Schuldenkrise nicht klar zu beantworten. Darin liege das eigentliche Versagen der Bundesregierung. Merkel müsse ihre ?taktischen Versuche, das unklar zu lassen, aufgeben“.

    Die Soziademokraten halten es in Hinblick auf die anstehenden europ?ischen Finanzhilfen für Portugal nun zun?chst für unerl?sslich, dass diese eingehend geprüft werden. Dabei müsse auch die Frage beantwortet werden, ob es Alternativen gebe. Po? unterstrich, europ?ische Finanzhilfen an Portugal bedeuteten zun?chst nicht, dass von Seiten Deutschlands Geld flie?e. ?Wir bl?ttern jetzt zun?chst mal keine Milliarden hin, wir beteiligen uns an einer Bürgschaftsaktion“, sagte er.

    Die moderate Leitzinserh?hung der EZB um 0,25 Prozent auf 1,25 Prozent nannte Po? einen Balance-Akt, fügte aber hinzu: ?Auch diesen Schritt kann man verteidigen.“ Die Zinserh?hung sei vertretbar. Po? beklagte, Deutschland und Europa h?tten noch zu wenig in Sachen Finanzmarktregulierung unternommen, um sich st?rker gegen künftige Krisen zu wappnen. Man müsse Banken und auch die Schatten-Banken noch sch?rfer regulieren. ?Da hat Frau Merkel auch nicht die Rolle gespielt, die man h?tte erwarten müssen“, beklagte sich der Sozialdemokrat. ?Das muss sich jetzt ?ndern.“ Das erfordere auch eine Finanztransaktionssteuer. ?Es kann nicht sein, dass die Steuerzahler alles ausbaden müssen.“

  433. eud2e5s7 November 5, 2012 at 8:02 pm #

    Hintergrund ist die umfassende Aussage des 35-j?hrigen Berliners. Sapina hatte im Prozess Schmiergeldzahlungen an Spieler, Schiedsrichter und an einen UEFA-Funktion?r gestanden. Die Champions-League-Partie zwischen dem ungarischen Verein VSC Debrecen und dem AC Florenz vom 20. Oktober 2010 soll nicht verschoben worden sein. Im Parallelverfahren gegen drei weitere Wettbetrüger sollen schon am Donnerstag die Urteile gesprochen werden.

    Die Ankündigung des Gerichts war eine ?berraschung. Sapina hatte zuvor allerdings auch schonungslos ausgepackt. Das Gericht will nun nur noch eine Schadensberechnung vornehmen und einige Zusatzfragen stellen. „Dann kann die Beweisaufnahme aus unserer Sicht abgeschlossen werden“, sagte Richter Wolfgang Mittrup. Das Verfahren gegen die fünf Mitangeklagten geht dagegen in die Verl?ngerung. Sie haben sich im Prozess bislang noch nicht zu den Vorwürfen ge?u?ert.

    Sapina hat erstmals zu mutma?lich verschobenen Spielen in ?sterreich Stellung genommen. So sollen einige Spieler von SV Kapfenberg vor der Partie gegen Austria Wien vom 28. Oktober 2009 140 000 Euro erhalten haben. „Austria sollte mit zwei Toren Unterschied gewinnen“, sagte Sapina den Richtern. Der Wetteinsatz habe sich auf 420 000 Euro belaufen. Doch dann sei alles ganz anders gekommen. Am Ende hatte Kapfenberg die Partie mit 1:0 gewonnen. Nach dem Zweitliga-Spiel zwischen Red Bull Juniors Salzburg und dem TSV Hartberg vom 22. September 2009 habe sich der Gewinn dagegen auf 533 000 Euro belaufen. Spieler von Hartberg sollen zuvor 60 000 Euro Schmiergeld erhalten haben. Die Partie endete 7:0 für Salzburg.

    Der Einfluss der Wettmafia war bis ins Detail geplant. Laut Sapina wurden einem UEFA-Offiziellen 50 000 Euro gezahlt, um die H?hergruppierung eines bestechlichen bosnischen Schiedsrichters zu erreichen. Durch die H?hergruppierung h?tte der Unparteiische in Zukunft interessantere Spiele pfeifen dürfen. Derselbe Schiedsrichter hatte die unter Manipulationsverdacht stehende WM-Qualifikation zwischen Liechtenstein und Finnland vom 9. September 2009 und die U 21-Partie Schweiz gegen Georgien vom 18. November 2009 geleitet.

    Sicher seien die Wetten allerdings trotz der Schmiergeldzahlungen nie gewesen. Vor allem in der Türkei sei es zum Teil drunter und drüber gegangen. Laut Sapina habe einmal sogar ein m?chtiger Wettanbieter in den Spielverlauf eingegriffen. Beim Halbzeitstand von 3:0 für die Heimmannschaft sollen beide Trainer angerufen und informiert worden sein, dass die Partie auf jeden Fall unentschieden ausgehen müsse. Am Ende habe es dann tats?chlich 3:3 gehei?en.

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