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C. J. Hopkins is an award-winning playwright, novelist, and political satirist, and author at The Consent Factory blog. His plays have been produced and have toured at theaters and festivals including Riverside Studios (London), 59E59 Theaters (New York), Traverse Theatre (Edinburgh), Belvoir St. Theatre (Sydney), the Du Maurier World Stage Festival (Toronto), Needtheater (Los Angeles), 7 Stages (Atlanta), the Edinburgh Festival Fringe, Adelaide Fringe, Brighton Festival, and the Noorderzon Festival (the Netherlands), among others. His writing awards include the 2002 First of the Scotsman Fringe Firsts, Scotsman Fringe Firsts in 2002 and 2005, and the 2004 Best Play of the Adelaide Fringe. His political satire and commentary has been published by OffGuardian, ZeroHedge, ColdType, Rubikon, RT.com, CounterPunch, Dissident Voice, and many other publications, and has been widely translated. His dystopian science fiction novel, Zone 23, is published by Snoggsworthy, Swaine & Cormorant.

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22 Responses to “KunstlerCast 369 — A Chat with CJ Hopkins of The Consent Factory Blog”

  1. Peter Starr January 21, 2023 at 4:37 pm #

    Kunstler reveals himself as a peak oiler once again (after years) at exactly minute 41. It’s at that point that C. J. Hopkins starts stumbling. His voice, cadence and timbre noticeably change. The debate on Russia is one-sided. Russia has come out of the war and embargo stronger than before. Of course . . . Russia now has a better oil-trading partnership with India and China, two nations on the rise. Not sclerotic old aunties teetering on their American crutches

    • Patient45 January 25, 2023 at 12:11 am #

      Great episode, Jim. The podcast is so much more meaningful — and less echo chamber-y — when your guest has a POV that is different than yours, as was the case here. Civil disagreement is a rare thing these days.

      While you and C.J. agree on govt overreach with regard to covid protocols, he was having no part of the “cultural Marxism” lens.

      Anyway, really enjoyed this one. Well done.

      • Bill of Rights February 13, 2023 at 10:00 am #

        I agree with Patient45…this podcast started to get “suspenseful” as each party had to carefully explain their reasoning.

  2. DurangoKid January 21, 2023 at 7:27 pm #

    GlobalCap has no choice but to expand or die. What Jim and CK might be alluding to is a conflict between thermodynamics and the drive to commodify everything. Expansion is impossible when everything has been commodified. Commodification is impossible when the energy to commodify is uneconomic. They’re on the same page. One might envisage them as two texts with opposite word orders. Jim comes from the right heading left. CK comes from the left heading right. Where they meet is a great simplification as described by Joseph Tainter.

    • happiface January 22, 2023 at 11:35 am #

      been following jhk since back in his peak oil days in what he always he harped on–bought his first book–i always saw him as a left leaning dude–he seemed to push goooooovermint had the solutions-do not really know if he is a reforming leftist–going back 30 years or so—when college in socal in the early seventies paul erlich gave a talk at our school–it was all about peak people–friends and i thought what nonsense where 98 percent of the other kids bought into that bs–Japan puts 175 million people in a country the size of california and has a very civil society –usa is still very tribal and will go nuts some day…wonder how far down the mad max road we will go after the nukes fly..

  3. DurangoKid January 21, 2023 at 7:29 pm #

    Also, I think this is one of Jim’s better podcasts. Lot’s of back and forth.

    • Warren Monty Q_ January 22, 2023 at 3:00 am #

      International Facism is the precise terminology; global-capitalism is a cover.. Ref:
      “The Empire On Which The Black Sun Never Sets;
      The Birth of International Facism and Anglo American Foreign Policy” -Cynthia Chung CanadianPatriot.org

  4. kaakberg January 22, 2023 at 5:18 am #

    ‘I know CAF personally’. Then I think about Breggin/Fitts slaughtering deSmet. Have not listened yet to Hopkins/Fitts. When you talked about that deSmet thing the conversation could take a different turn. #Unangenehm

  5. tom clark January 22, 2023 at 10:14 am #

    It’s all pretty simple, really…infinite growth can’t go on forever in a finite world…’nuf said.

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  6. happiface January 22, 2023 at 11:14 am #

    excellent podcast

  7. Blackbird January 22, 2023 at 8:11 pm #

    I’m guessing C.J. did a lot of coke during his San Fran days. Go back and listen to that self-satisfied snort @ 2:52.

    He reveals more of himself when he talks than when he writes (in my opinion…) – we all do (in my opinion…).

    Great interview. I’m going to go back and re-read Mr. Hopkins’ from my new perspective (and no, I don’t mean cocaine use – I mean my perspective of his perspective).

  8. Hockeyguy January 23, 2023 at 12:48 pm #

    Good conversation, and a couple points:

    1) I think CJ (and CAF) should more accurately refer and describe “Global Capitalism (GloboCap)” as an international banking cartel phenomenon. Globalist financial institutions like the BIS and IMF are the ones truly seeking global financial hegemonic domination over all humans and resources, without regard for pesky roadblocks like national sovereignty or populist elections to permanently institutionalize usury and digital feudalism. The banks work with the WEF to install their preferred puppets in the various world governments, and then use unelected NGOs and national government agencies like the WHO, UN, World Bank, FDA, CDC, etc to implement policy without the need for democratic debate.

    2) Interesting that CJ seems to have such a problem with Desmet describing the covid situation as a “mass formation,” when CJ himself is bewildered and doesn’t understand how Germans everywhere simultaneously “clicked their heels and accepted all orders.” They’re both describing the exact same phenomenon. To-MAY-to, To-MAH-to.

    • thirdcoastlegend January 23, 2023 at 10:01 pm #


      I agree with you about Hopkins’ comments on Desmet’s work.

      It would have been interesting to hear CJ articulate his specific objections to Desmet’s thesis.

  9. xarat January 23, 2023 at 2:10 pm #

    Is GloboCap just the combination of cheap energy and unlimited currency and credit creation. Now that cheap energy is in the rear view mirror in the west, it’s now morphed into a new beast since most projects are no longer economically viable.

    So woke ideology (the Message) merges with the currency and credit system to form some new bizarre system. Elites no longer solve real problems with abundant resources, but virtue signal oddball ideas with an ever shrinking pool of resources.

    I think the energy story eventually kills this new beast as most of us will be busy getting by to worry about woke ideology anymore.

  10. JackStraw January 24, 2023 at 12:01 pm #

    CJ certainly has a strange outlook on the world, and I would describe many of his concepts of how the world works as borderline lunacy.

    His ranting on Musk and Twitter was utter nonsense. Somehow, we were better when we were being censored, and Musk is some shadowy agent of the military-industrial complex?

    Musk has done more to defend free speech than anyone in the last 30 years, yet this dilettante condemns him because the algorithm isn’t quite perfected yet?

    I’m shocked that anyone would take this guy seriously for more than a few minutes.

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    • John K January 25, 2023 at 12:34 pm #

      Hopkins didn’t say “we were better when we were being censored.” He said the censorship is still ongoing under the cover of “change,” which makes Twitter that much more dangerous because people think it’s “open” now. Some accounts get re-platformed while de-platforming elsewhere continues. Plenty of accounts I followed are still stuck out in the ether.

      And yes, of course, Musk is deeply entwined with the military. See: businessinsider.com/elon-musk-spacex-military-contracts-dod-space-force-2020-10

      And remember, this is the guy who wants put chips in people’s brains: cnet.com/videos/neuralink-explained-elon-musk-plans-to-tap-our-minds-with-brain-implants/

      No, nothing shadowy about him at all . . . so long as you’re only looking at one side of him.

  11. docmartin January 25, 2023 at 2:32 pm #

    Guess the guest never read any history of the Weimar turning to Nazism overnight… dude needs to read!

  12. priv_SK January 26, 2023 at 11:55 am #

    Enjoyed the interview, but I’m getting really tired of hearing people that start every sentence three times. CJ has that problem.

    It’s not stuttering. Is there a term for it?

  13. Left Sceptic January 26, 2023 at 9:37 pm #

    Yes, shame he didn’t elaborate. My guess is he thinks the mass formation can’t be deflected by 3-5% or whatever the figure Desmet writes about, which I would agree with. Strange though that he didn’t seem to get the point that I think Jim was implying, that Globocap is eating and destroying itself. Whether or not you accept peak oil, the beast Mr global is coming apart. The only way that might not be the case if you are on Whitney Webb team and think Putin is in cahoots. That takes no account of human nature or emergent processes. There is no way all of the “elites” are in agreement on everything. They have conflicting ambitions. They are in conflict and Globocap will stumble and fall.

  14. Paul Schuyler January 27, 2023 at 4:48 pm #

    I think a communist movement is in charge of Globo Cap, or is at least vying for it.

    How else to explain American Wokeness, and the complete disgrace of American Science and Medicine? That’s totally gone grown and I watched it grow from California since the 90’s.

  15. Walter B February 16, 2023 at 12:01 pm #

    I agree with CJ that Mr. Global and his quest to create one big, worldwide is what is being pushed with the assistance of the West and the US who pretends that it is spreading democracy when it is in fact trying to create this one big marketplace where we are all reduced to the level of mindless consumers. Yes, that cannot ever work because too many consumers are akin to hordes of locusts that strip everything in their path to desolation. That is why, of course, depopulation is a big requirement to be achieved first.

    Jim, you see the global plan failing and things returning to the smaller, local level operations, and to some degree I think you are right. We used to have an anachronism called SIBAKIS, See It Big And Keep It Simple and it was always accurate. The bigger something gets the harder it is to sustain. The question on Mr. Global’s plan is how much bullshit he is going to ram up our collective bung holes before it all craps out. I don’t see it dropping dead soon, but I long for the day when we return to A World Made By Hand, or at least, a whole lot less centralized.

    Great podcast Jim, thank you.

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