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The Democratic Party with its deep state auxiliaries begins to look like a monstrous hybrid of Matt Taibbi’s fabled Vampire Squid and the skulking Kraken of the maelstrom, devouring the innards of our republic in its deep, dark depths one institution at a time while a storm rages on the surface and citizen’s eyelids flutter in horror, frozen like sleepers in the paralysis of a nightmare, at the rising havoc and ruin. Or, to put it plainly: what the fuck is going on in America?

Ongoing sedition is the answer, with fetid slime trails across the political landscape everywhere you look. We’re informed hours ago, for instance, that the top lawyers in Robert Mueller’s Special Counsel operation wiped all the records from their cell phones before the DOJ Inspector General could collect evidence of their communications from the SC team’s three-year exercise in overthrowing a president. How is that not an obstruction of justice, and who will answer for it?

That’s on top of many other bits of essential evidence in the RussiaGate coup and other perfidious acts mysteriously gone missing — Special Agent Joe Pientka’s original “302” document from the Flynn interrogation, thousands of Strzok-and-Page’s text messages, official verifications of the Steele Dossier submitted to the FISA court, communications between the FBI “small group” (Comey, McCabe, Priestap, Carlin, McCord, Baker, et al.) plus CIA Chief John Brennan and DNI James Clapper with Senators Burr and Warner on the Senate Intel Committee, communications between “whistleblower” Eric Ciaramella, Col. Alexander Vindman and House Intel Committee chair Adam Schiff, records of CIA prop Stephan Halper’s doings with the Pentagon’s Office of Net Assessment, all communication records between State Department official Jonathan Winer and British ex-spy Christopher Steele….

And now, like a fever building to climax, comes the news right out-front that the Democratic Party intends to foment insurrection if the election goes against them. They’re supporting the coming siege of Lafayette Square set to kick off fifty days of “protest” across from the White House beginning Sept 17 as a warm-up for anarchy in the streets across the nation following the Nov 3 vote. Behind us is the summer of riots, arson, and looting, and who paid to support all that? Who paid for flying Antifa and BLM personnel from city to city, feeding and housing them, paying for their “commercial-grade” fireworks, pallets of bricks, gas masks, lasers, bullhorns, black riot outfits? Why is it hard to find out who bought the plane tickets, booked the hotels?  Months have gone by since all that started. Is someone in the DOJ following the money? And following their communications (especially considering the crimes against property they’ve committed)?

Why is Christopher Wray still director of the FBI? Why is Bruce Ohr still collecting a paycheck from the DOJ? Why is Eric Ciaramella still keeping a seat warm at the CIA? What exactly was US Attorney John Huber doing for two years? Why is Mark Esper still running the Pentagon? Why is General James Mattis not facing a military court of inquiry for proposing a coup against the president? Why is Federal Judge Emmet Sullivan still defying the DOJ’s motion to dismiss the case against General Flynn? Why is it taking years to resolve the legal issues around Julian Assange while he rots in jail? Where exactly does William Barr stand with all this? And is it possible that John Durham’s efforts to unravel the giant hairball of sedition begins-and-ends with one lame guilty plea of petty fall-guy Kevin Clinesmith?

It may sound paranoid, but I feel compelled to ask: is Barack Obama running some kind of shadow government from his Kalorama fortress —that is, issuing suggestions (or instructions) to scores of loyal high officials in federal agencies for opposing and undermining everything the current president attempts to do — such as Mr. Trump’s executive order this week to cease and desist the depraved “critical race theory” and “white privilege” struggle sessions run all over DC by obscenely highly-paid “diversity-and-inclusion” consultants? And what role is Hillary Clinton playing behind-the-scenes these pre-election days, since her foundation is so heavily invested in the DNC, and she is issuing directives on subverting the election through a complicit news media?

How on earth can responsible adults pretend that the empty shell of Joe Biden is a plausible candidate for president? What will Joe do in the two scheduled debates without his teleprompter or an earpiece? He can’t possibly perform without them (and barely even with them, it appears lately). When was the last time Joe Biden took impromptu questions from reporters? When has he stood before a crowd of actual voters, not live-action-role-players picked by his handlers? Who is trying to hustle the USA out of existence and what are you going to do to stop them?

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571 Responses to “When There are No Consequences for Anything”

  1. Rodster September 11, 2020 at 10:00 am #

    JHK asks all the right questions. And the answer is this is all part of The Great Reset the Globalists have been working on for decades. This is their moment.

    • shotho September 11, 2020 at 10:14 am #

      Yes and they aren’t about to let someone like Trump thwart their efforts.

    • Nightowl September 11, 2020 at 10:51 am #

      I think Trump forced them to accellerate it, hence the chaos at present.

      • hmuller September 11, 2020 at 10:55 am #

        I also think it suspicious that Trump hasn’t done more to stop the globalists. Have we the people been played again with some “good cop. bad cop” act?

        • Nightowl September 11, 2020 at 11:11 am #

          You misunderstood me. I think they accellerated things because Trump exists.

          When Trump is gone, you will have no one.

          • hmuller September 11, 2020 at 11:20 am #

            We almost have no one now. Trump talks the talk, but he don’t walk the walk. Maybe he’s a placebo to keep us calm while THEY set up their takeover.

          • Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 12:37 pm #

            There’s factions. Trump is in with the Zionist faction of quasi-globalists with one nation to be given favored status and perhaps America as well if it is a good servant. The Democrats are part of the larger – and apparently stronger – UN/China/WHO faction.

            There may be more.

          • Nightowl September 11, 2020 at 3:14 pm #

            No. He walks the walk. I have posted a list of his accomplishments on many occasions.

            That list now includes two more historic peace deals for Israel and Kosovo. And those were major issues. Trump has just received a second nomination for a Nobel Peace Prize.

            The problem (domestically) is that the US attorneys investigating the corruption in the DOJ, FBI, State, etc. need an airtight case. I still think it is coming. There is no way this stuff just disappears.

          • Pat Ormsby September 12, 2020 at 1:13 am #

            Something similar has been said about Putin. The internationalists want him gone so they can rape Russia again and steal all of the resources. He was a bureaucrat that looked like a nice mild-mannered cypher, so they chose him to replace the ailing traitor Yeltsin. Turned out to be both shrewd and incorruptible, made himself global target number one in a hurry. People who should know better than it hate him. If the internationalists have any analysts who are not total yes-men, they should know that if they kill Putin, nothing stands between them and a huge number of very sturdy and enraged nationalists whose trigger finger could use a good itchin’.
            I suspect “when Trump is gone,” at best the internationalists’ll see a period of deceptive quiet while the pressure builds. When the SHTF Antifa will flee with its tail between its legs.
            Jim here used to talk about “corn-pone nationalism” as a big future threat, and now who really wants that kind of extreme? Given the choices though, I’m sure they’re getting lots of quiet support.

          • Majella September 13, 2020 at 5:31 pm #

            “Accelerate”. Once is a typo, twice is clear short-wiring in the spelling function.

        • Kim September 11, 2020 at 11:29 am #

          He has done plenty. Against endless opposition. This week he ended visas for hundreds of Chinese spies. He closed their Houston spy center some weeks ago. He is defanging Hua Wei. Got out of TTP and the Paris Accord. NAFTA. Appointed 200 conservative federal judges. Did some good stuff to slow down AFFH. 270 miles of border fence. Ended all that crazy mess on the southern border. I could go on and on. One Supreme Court justice.

          He did this and more against an astonishing level of hysterical, media-enabled opposition and frankly, seditious behavior and bureaucratic sabotage the like of which has never been seen before.

          Objectively, he has actually been astonishing.

          • hmuller September 11, 2020 at 11:52 am #

            I like all that. But I want to see Hillary in an orange jump suit and inside a Gitmo cage (among many others).

        • elysianfield September 11, 2020 at 11:39 am #

          ” also think it suspicious that Trump hasn’t done more to stop the globalists:


          “…when your enemies are fucking up…don’t encourage them otherwise…” Paraphrased and attributed to various sages….

          • Nightowl September 11, 2020 at 3:32 pm #

            He. Elysian has been quite the comic lately.

            That quip from the previous entry about explaining things in scientific terms still makes me chuckle.

        • darrell dullnig September 11, 2020 at 6:53 pm #

          Good cop, bad cop. Of course. Trump is controlled opposition. With one tweet to tell the masses to take off the stupid masks, he could end all the lockdown idiocy. That he does not tells columns re his intentions or power.

    • Vadrosaul September 11, 2020 at 10:58 am #

      I refuse to live in a world of beige automatons marching and thinking in lockstep with an anti-reality ideology.

      • beantownbill. September 11, 2020 at 11:42 am #

        I don’t blame you, but what will you do about it? Kill yourself or move to whatever uninhabited area that is still left? What are your choices?

        • Vadrosaul September 11, 2020 at 5:20 pm #

          Stand by my principles and let the chips fall where they may. If I’m pushed to a breaking point because of them, I honestly don’t know what I’ll do.

      • abbybwood September 11, 2020 at 11:54 am #

        You mean like Black Lives Matter and their various corporate minions squawking:

        “Silence is violence”?

    • Pete September 12, 2020 at 11:25 am #

      “How on earth can responsible adults pretend that the empty shell of Joe Biden is a plausible candidate for president?”

      Short answer: They can’t

      Long answer: There are no responsible adults left in the democrat party. They are mostly children, or psychopaths seeking power. The children in the democrat party, by the direction of the psychopaths seeking power have thrown themselves onto the supermarket floor and are screaming and kicking at the top of their lungs, and they won’t stop until mommy buys the fruit loops.

      The responsible adults are the Republicans.

      “what are you going to do to stop them?”

      This is the crux of the matter. Responsible adults get rubber knees when their kids do this. They sure as heck don’t want to, but they snatch those kids up by the ear and slap the shit out of them.

      Responsible adults are currently waiting for the election, and they’re doing so because they have rubber knees, caused by their deep ‘normalcy bias.’ They believe, when we reelect Trump, that the democrats and the deep state will somehow concede and come to their senses – as the people have done in our country since it’s inception.

      I don’t believe this.

      I believe whatever the outcome, the democrats are going to double down, and they are going to continue their assault, and each time they ratchet up, the threat to my personal safety will grow untenable.

      I will defend my home, my family and my second amendment rights, and I will not die on my knees.

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    • toktomi September 12, 2020 at 8:50 pm #

      “All” except the most important question –

      Who cares [or why would anyone care] when none of the current political circumstances of the US have any bearing on the future of the country or the world?

      ol’ Jim, chortling all the way to the bank, the dawg 🙂


  2. bluekayak September 11, 2020 at 10:02 am #

    AG Barr is as deep state as they come — first appointed to that office by poppa Bush. Expect NOTHING from him.

    • Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 12:40 pm #

      Quite so. He could have ended the rioting at any point by invoking the Rico Act and actually prosecuting the terrorists – beginning with the Leaders. If Antifa was actually investigated, it would lead back to people Trump doesn’t want to offend.

      • malthuss September 11, 2020 at 1:47 pm #

        what did the “” from Stalin mean? About a hero in the army.

        • Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 2:01 pm #

          Stalin: One must be a very brave man not to be a hero in my army.

          SV: Because what he would do to slackers was certain. Brave men sometimes survive wars, but no coward was going to survive Stalin or his Watchers.

    • C.O. Jones September 11, 2020 at 2:53 pm #

      Barr is the criminal who covered up Ruby Ridge and is on record as saying Epstein killed himself. Barr’s dad hired Epstein at a girl’s school in NYC. Expect obfuscation and lies from him. By appointing him AG, Trump gave himself plausible deniability – ” I hired him to investigate and prosecute but he found no evidence of wrongdoing.”

      By permitting sedition, Donald Trump is complicit in the fall of the United States. If he had prosecuted those responsible for the coup attempts, we would not be looking at a convoluted election as we are now.

      Trump owns this.

      • outsider September 11, 2020 at 5:42 pm #

        Trump is not permitting sedition. Pretty much the whole deep state which includes the Pentagon are working against him. Trump has very few he can trust. Who is left to carry out his orders? And, remember, the AG’s Office is independent. Isn’t Mr. Barr the man responsible for prosecuting crimes of sedition?

        • C.O. Jones September 11, 2020 at 8:47 pm #

          The attorney general serves “at the pleasure” of the president. That means the president can hire and fire at his will.

          It is entirely within the scope of the presidency to say “I need this done and on my desk by the end of May.” Barr has had YEARS to investigate campaign spying and the RussiaGate coup attempt, less time to investigate the UkraineGate coup for which Trump was impeached. So far, a low-level lawyer is the only one charged. There are mountains of evidence in the form of youtoob videos, for instance, Brennan openly lying to congress. Still, Barr can find nothing. He has effectively run out the clock while his boss stares at the stock market.

          If I do not present my deliverables within the deadline set by my boss, I am fired. This AG “works” with no oversight and no deadline.

          If the law is not enforced, there is effectively no law. The laws against sedition are not being enforced by Trump’s DOJ ergo Trump is permitting sedition.

          • Night Owl September 12, 2020 at 1:13 pm #

            What are Durham and co. doing right now?

            Exactly. You don’t know, aside from the news about Mueller sidekick, Kevin Clinesmith.

            The case has to be airtight. Think of how many high-level individuals are involved. Get it wrong and it is all over.

            Also, Rudy is involved in this, too. Read about how he brought down the mob in NYC. The operation was incredibly complex and slow moving. But he took them all down in one fell swoop.

          • benr September 13, 2020 at 10:37 am #

            Which is why the DNC is all out for mail in ballots if they lose or fail to steal the election some high level heads are going to be prosecuted.

        • bluedog September 13, 2020 at 8:46 pm #

          And who hired those he surrounds himself with,Trump unless he has a mouse in his pocket,as they say the buck stops here and here is the oval office.!!!

  3. edpell September 11, 2020 at 10:07 am #

    Jim, there is no rule of law in the US. We are at the war lords fight for what they can get stage of collapse.

    • Kim September 11, 2020 at 11:31 am #

      Probably not for off. You got body armor?

  4. Pucker September 11, 2020 at 10:08 am #


    JHK says that the methods of the “Progressives” are no longer about the rational discussion of ideas, but rather it’s all about “the pleasures of coercion.”


  5. Jeremy September 11, 2020 at 10:10 am #

    Jim – when you realise that the average voter couldn’t give a Flying F about any of this, you’ll understand why the US is dying.

    Ask these two fine examples of US probity:


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  6. teddyboy46 September 11, 2020 at 10:18 am #

    I can hardly believe my good fortune. I am the 1st to reply! Is Barak Obama running a shadow government? I had not thought of that , but it answers alot of questions.

    I have been asking myself the same questions JHK is asking this morning. I also wondered why the IRS has not taken an interest in all this money?

    But I believe I have answer. This is the result of a Chinese Communist Party plot that started in 1964 with the 2nd wave feminist movement, A movement to divided men and women and broke up families. It worked very well for a long time. Indeed the Single mother with one child has become a standard folk hero in television and movies.

    The 2nd part of the Plan started with Bill and Hillary Clinton in 1992 with Politically Correct Speech and continues with mandatory Critical race Theory being taught and that work of fiction Project 1619 being taught as fact to small children.

    Barak was supposed to start part 3 of the plan and Hillary was going to finish it. Which would have turned America into a Maoist colony of China. When Trump got elected They shifted into emergency mode and actually started acting directly thru their operatives in our Government. Russia gate , Ukraine Gate, and Impeachment. When none of this worked they moved right to agitating the blacks and useful idiot whites into rioting , burning and looting. In an effort to force Trump from office and install their Trojan horse Joe Biden who will bring in their paid operatives Kamala Harris and crew.

    I do not think it will work . BLM and ANTIFIA both financially supported by the CCP have already warned the Social Unrest will not stop no matter who is elected. Stay tuned for part 4.

    • Nightowl September 11, 2020 at 10:43 am #

      BLM and Antifa are the footsoldiers of the Purple Revolution. They are backed by OSF and various globalists/neocons in finance and industry.

      • thirdcoastlegend September 11, 2020 at 10:54 am #

        I believe that the CCP and high-level globalists are working in concert to convert the US into the aforementioned Maoist colony of China.

        I would love to see the payments received by certain governors and mayors over the past four or five years.

        • Nightowl September 11, 2020 at 11:14 am #

          China appears to be the new base of operations, but this is based on economics. IDK about any “Maoist colony.”

          The Purple Revolution and globalist support in developing Chinese tech. infrastructure is very real, however, and I suspect that if they can finish the US, Russia is the next target.

          After that, centralized control, or the global plantation, shoud be a cinch.

          • malthuss September 11, 2020 at 1:52 pm #

            Russia will not allow riots like we see and has almost no Blacks. It does have lots of Muslims. In the 1980s various people
            predicted the end of the USSR–due to its prolific muslims.

            Ergo, abortion did the USSR in. I read average woman had 7 abortions, by jumping off refrigerator when period didnt happen.

        • C.O. Jones September 11, 2020 at 3:02 pm #

          Yes! Beginning with the west coast. Pelosi, Newsome, Feinstein, Durkan, Wheeler – all complicit. All guilty. Tons of evidence is being overlooked because the Bob Costas in a fat suit lookin’ AG can’t seem to find his backside with either hand.

    • malthuss September 11, 2020 at 1:50 pm #

      what about Soros? how much money? what can DT do?

      ‘I do not think it will work . BLM and ANTIFIA both financially supported by the CCP have already warned the Social Unrest will not stop no matter who is elected. Stay tuned for part 4.’

  7. butter56 September 11, 2020 at 10:18 am #

    What are you going to do to stop them? That’s the sixty four million dollar question. The possible answers should scare the hell out of us all.

    • thirdcoastlegend September 11, 2020 at 10:57 am #

      Sadly, I have no good ideas about stopping or reversing this course.

      I’ve followed JHK and others for a while, and have thought the US would trend in this direction for about 10 or 15 years.

      As a result, I haven’t prepped for squat. I was always going to, “get around to it.”

      Don’t be me!

      • Kim September 11, 2020 at 11:33 am #

        You still have time.

      • 100th Avatar September 11, 2020 at 2:19 pm #

        Prep for what?

        A life living in a bunker, a commune?

        A farm? Which only guarantees you a future
        fighting off marauding rapist bandits.

        What is the point?
        Your precious DNA?

        Better idea: shoot until ammo is dry, burn everything down to the ground with you.

        Hopefully the next simulation you find yourself in is an improved one.

        • Nightowl September 11, 2020 at 3:33 pm #

          True. Unless you are part of a heavily armed commune out in the middle of Idaho or something.

          Sadly, there isn’t much most of us will be able to do in the long run.

          • elysianfield September 11, 2020 at 6:46 pm #

            “heavily armed commune out in the middle of Idaho”


            Those commune/redoubt scenarios will work until one of the alpha males decides that…well, that he is just a bit more equal than you are. Food, money, women…you know the drill…the unchanging story is as long as humanity’s existence. Benevolence is a rare commodity where anarchy reigns.

            …it’s good to be da king!

          • Night Owl September 12, 2020 at 3:31 am #


            Yep, just a matter of time.

        • roccofire September 11, 2020 at 6:25 pm #

          JHK awesome description today, but I think H.P. Lovecraft had it right, Cthulhu us running things.

          I prepped some because of JHK, but I live in an inner blue collar burb, once part of Kodak, GM delco, IBM Xerox, blue collar jobs, now empty malls, and parking lots. Those of us with jobs work 2 at least 70 hours plus is the normal. Old folks like me, single parents or even 2 parent households working variety of jobs just for life’s necessities not luxuries.

          Police forced is broken into a dozen small town forces, the city of Rochester police had it’s whole leadership leave, we have no protection, how can we organize? Enjoy life now, be your best what can I do?

        • toktomi September 12, 2020 at 9:04 pm #


          You cannot begin to imagine how reassuring your fatalistic expressions as an affirmation of the widespread defeatist attitude of the masses are to the few with intact survival genes. At least we probably won’t have that nightmarish zombie crew to deal with cuz “life just ain’t worth living without a Starbucks on the corner”.

          DNA? phuque an A, bubba What else ya got besides your word and your opinions?

          Now, “say goodnight, Gracie.”
          “Nighty night, all you little tooth fairies.”


      • Rulo Deschamps September 11, 2020 at 4:56 pm #

        Third coast, cheer up. “Prep” is mental. Think. Where do I have friends? Where am I needed? What can I bring to the table? Above all, follow that hard to define thing. Your heart, or what feels right, or whatever you wanna call it. Where am I less likely to be seen as a liability and more like an asset?
        What can you bring to the table? That’s the golden rule of tribes. Find yours.

    • Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 12:43 pm #

      Is the Corps that mans the nuclear silos loyal to Trump, the Old America, and Heritage Americans?

    • DuckandCover September 11, 2020 at 4:39 pm #

      The answer to this seems simple to me: In the rioting cities the President declares Martial Law, sends in the National Guard (nationalized) to replace the civic government, begins arresting rioters and sends them to Federal Camps. Do this to 3 or 4 cities and things will calm down. The vast majority of people want Law and Order.

      • outsider September 11, 2020 at 6:10 pm #

        Why hasn’t Trump invoked the Insurrection Act? I believe he wanted to, but has been told by SecDef Esper and General Milley that they would refuse his order and have him arrested if he did so. They’re still pissed of that Trump used them as a prop in his photo op holding an upside down Bible in front of St. John’s Episcopal Church.

        • Q. Shtik September 11, 2020 at 9:19 pm #

          holding an upside down Bible – outsider


          Jesus H. Christ, here we go again…
          The Bible was NOT upside down.
          Are you K-Dog with a new handle?

          • K-Dog September 12, 2020 at 2:04 am #

            Q. Shtik this is unforgivable. The only time I am not K-Dog is when I’m Keith Hayes. I have my own blog. Why the fuck would I troll this place anonymously.

            I got the word by way of the GCHQ voices that real identities get preferential treatment by the Deep State so again, why the fuck would I be autonomous. Especially after being harassed by homeland security as I have??? Especially after having been vetted as merely being an annoying lone wolf. One step up from a grease spot.

            The fake-dog derivative names piss me off too but nuthin I can do bout that. You yourself said I’d be in for a wild ride and do you know what?

            You were right.

            I’ll remind everyone I’m going quietly into the night here and leaving your conservative hating asses behind. I have my own blog but I do check in from time to time to see if my name is being used in vain. As it has, and since it has I give you this:


            Close the Skoolz

            Because dead people can’t teach students to spell. If the point is to teach students to spell, dead people can’t do it. The same goes for teaching anything at all. Dead people can’t teach. What is hard to figure out about this?

            The summer could have been spent figuring out how to pair educated and unemployed Americans with students furloughed by COVID-19. Doing this would eliminate problems caused by remote learning and keep lives moving ahead. Like lives matter.

            The knee-jerk solution, remote learning, by itself has serious problems. The biggest problem is the mere suggestion of remote learning causes a person to think the problem is solved. Techno-narcissism creeps in and stops thought. Today we have remote learning and tomorrow we will have Mars. It takes a strong mind not to go fantastical. Particularly if you are an educated person who has used the internet to acquire a skill or two or three. You think everyone can do it and you don’t see that you are unique, special and hooked up. You are also likely to think that there is no problem technology can’t solve.

            Remote learning is part of a solution for doing education in a pandemic but it is not a one size fits all solution. Distance learning panders to a connected elite in the same way mail-in voting does but more so. Part of a solution under the circumstances but far from ideal. A minimum computer literacy, which many students do not have, is required for remote learning to work. Those most in need are the least capable.

            Schools as a COVID-19 Petri dish is a true fact even to those who deny that COVID-19 even exists. A rational person can be perhaps slightly forgiven for the current situation since the idea that the COVID-19 pandemic would not have been contained by September seemed crazy in May. Sadly we live in crazy times, and we are now in crisis. Paring educated and unemployed Americans with students furloughed by COVID-19 leads to small classes which by their size, contain COVID-19 infection.

            Thinking about what to do about schools in September was put on hold. According to President Trump America will panic if they find out that we are in a COVID-19 pandemic. Trump’s solution thus has been to pretend COVID-19 does not exist and that it will just go away someday. Obeying the impulse to follow the herd, America continued to assume it had a leader all summer long. Easily seduced America trusted in the miracle of remote learning. In both cases trust has been misplaced. Everything goes away and soon enough we are all dirt. Knowing this and knowing that it is the POTHUS job to protect the nation, I find the Trump reassurance disgusting.

            Small class sizes so outbreaks can be contained. An obvious answer and one which in a time of no leadership is ignored. A national program using the forcibly retired and unemployed. Homeschooling at the local instead of the family level of implementation. This is and continues to be, a valid solution. Perhaps the only solution. A solution which could be deployed now as early as January.

            Elite leadership made the mistake of pretending that the COVID-19 problem does not exist. Getting classes up and running in the fall because of the choice made in the spring is nonsense now. Countries which took appropriate action can recover somewhat. It may be safe to have coffee in a Rome Café now because Italy locked down. Not so in America which made no progress in eliminating their COVID-19 problem with any national lockdown. In America money has been far more important than lives and this continues to be true. COVID-19 remains someone else’s problem in America. It is an exceptional point of view which on the scales of cosmic justice does not balance.

            I realize an effort to create a New Deal style program of citizen teachers has no chance of being adopted by the major US political parties. It would empower people far beyond any mainstream Democrat or Republican level of comfort. I write this knowing that America will continue to choose ignorance because this is a ‘write’ thing to do.

  8. izzy September 11, 2020 at 10:20 am #

    I misread “obscenely” as “obesely”, but it all came out the same.

  9. drewkeeling September 11, 2020 at 10:28 am #

    We -meaning readers of the works of Jim Kunstler, the US of A as whole, and the wider world beyond- have come along way since the Clusterfuck blog entries of 2008 (four presidential election campaign seasons ago) where, for example on September 15, 2008, one could read:

    “The Republicans must be clearly identified as the party that wrecked America.”

    Leaving aside that at least several of the names mentioned in today’s blog are -or at least were- long time members of the Republican Party, I am not sure that the “deep state” has necessarily changed as much (for better or worse) than have the more extreme forms of politicking from which the civil service is in theory supposed to be independent. I would however suggest the following, as a update to those 12-years-ago observations about “wrecking”:

    “The current Democratic and Republican party establishments are the two-party duopoly which has for too long been doing long term damage to the functioning of America’s systems of government.”

    Both these establishments are self-serving entities, each of which has managed to persuade a solid base of followers that the other is the main if not sole source of practically all difficulties. Under such circumstances, the consequences of ineptitude and denial (at least in a corrective direction) have indeed become scarce, especially when it comes to putting a check on the prime objective of this duopoly, which is to preserve itself heedless of costs or long term consequences.

    • JohnAZ September 11, 2020 at 11:32 am #

      There are two”parties” now. Dems and GOP are obsolete

      There are the socialized Dems or the American Communist Party,ACP, followers of the globalist Marxist groups. AKA the Deep State. What is left of the old Reagan GOP have jumped ship and joined up.

      And there is Trump, not the GOP, Trump!

      The ACP has one person to attack, that is all. Easy peasy! The fact that the majority of states put Trump in power is of no consequence. The Deep State is removing the power of the vote from the people. If Trump fails in November, there will be one party, one government dominating the public and no more choices to vote for, Uniparty control.

      Ask yourself, we elected a bad boy to try to put bully the Swamp. So far, not much progress, just a little slowing of the takeover. Eliminate Trump and the takeover is a fait accompli as there is no one else with the cojones to try to take on the Mob.

      • beantownbill. September 11, 2020 at 11:46 am #

        There’s no one with the cojones that you are aware of. That doesn’t mean there’s none.

        • Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 12:47 pm #

          One would have to be a Billionaire as well. And they aren’t going to let any such person do what Trump did ever again in any case.

          Trump filled his cabinet with Globalists, and of course there is the ongoing disaster of his listening to his smarmy Son in Law who should have never gotten security clearance. So many mistakes. So much lost opportunity that will not come again.

          • malthuss September 11, 2020 at 1:59 pm #

            what did DT do? become president while bucking us nationalist, non zionistas?

      • abbybwood September 13, 2020 at 11:27 pm #

        And if Trump loses and the Democrats take control of the Senate and keep the House it WILL be the end.

        The Democrats will quickly make D.C. a state and give them two senators and then they will quickly end the filibuster.

        Done and done.

        A few choice names on The Supreme Court and that will be it for any conservatives in the United States.

        All war all the time, the Biden/Harris mask mandate forever.

        Glad I am 70 and it is almost over for me. Will be deeply saddened to leave this planet to the rabid BLM Democrats who are currently “protesting” outside the Los Angeles hospital where two sheriffs are fighting for their lives tonight after being ambushed and shot by some psychopath while they were sitting in their patrol car in Compton.

        A $100k reward is on this deranged criminals head. Hope they catch him/her and he/she gets the death penalty, if convicted. (Can’t tell if it is a man or woman by the video).

    • Cavepainter September 11, 2020 at 11:37 am #

      Jim, our American version of NKVD is obviously paying you attention, soon we followers of your site might find it cancelled by Cancel Culture and we (your fans) will experience what occurred in Russia once the Bolsheviks had eliminated all the other contending factions; “friends, neighbors and associates” will begin to “finger” us as counter revolutionist in order to shield themselves from suspicion. Appearance of social power shift triggers a deep sub-conscious reaction, drawing ever more into it as does a strengthening vortex, causing even those considered the “thinking class” (your term) to react survivalistically with elaborate rationalizations that on basis of objective reasoning would be recognized as simple emotional survival reflex.

    • DrTomSchmidt September 11, 2020 at 12:31 pm #

      He was correct in 2008: the Bush-led Republicans had wrecked America. elected on his promise for a “humble” foreign policy, he launched Afghan and Iraq wars that we are still fighting today, and took a pile of trillions of dollars and blew it sky high.

      As Donald Trump asked in 2015: how much better off would America be right now if we had spent that $4trillion on infrastructure, here?

      Obama left us with higher racial conflict than we had when he was elected, maybe because blacks left his administration poorer than they were in 2008. So the wreckers are no longer the R party of 2008: Trump, for all his faults, destroyed the Bushes as the Republican brand, and removed, hopefully, the Clintons as the Democratic brand.

      Now it becomes clear that the wreckers aren’t really R or Dm but the people who want to kill people and break things so that they can “wet their beak.” They’re ruthless, and will not stop until they get what they want.

      Cut the Defense and Intelligence budget to $100billion, and most of this goes away. As long as there’s that honeypot, we will have flies attracted to it.

    • Rulo Deschamps September 11, 2020 at 5:02 pm #

      I used to read him back then, too. He was brilliant then, and he’s brilliant now. It boils down to what we knew all along, there’s only one party.

  10. scoubidou123 September 11, 2020 at 10:33 am #

    I mostly agree with the author’s observations about the state of american society.

    Yet more and more of his columns are filled with what he thinks Obama must be doing, or William Barr is preparing, or what the Democrat brass is doing in the shadows, or… And it’s nothing but idle speculation

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  11. Nightowl September 11, 2020 at 10:40 am #

    “It may sound paranoid, but I feel compelled to ask: is Barack Obama running some kind of a shadow government from his Kalorama fortress […]”

    Not at all. He is likely down in the high-security comms center he had installed on a daily basis with his Iranian “housemate” Valerie Jarrett.

    Prison. Now.

    • JohnAZ September 11, 2020 at 11:35 am #

      Brings up an interesting question. Once the ACP is in charge, who is going to get all the power?

      Bloodbath, you think the uniparty is going to give one Damon about the Blacks or Latinos?

  12. Zoltar September 11, 2020 at 10:45 am #

    Most of us can readily agree that the Republicans are the official, despicable, permanent enemy, and that is unlikely ever to change. The insight that most liberals have failed to grasp is that there is no party on their side. The puppet masters have an iron grip on both tribes of this electoral sham, and no expectation that they will fail to control the flow of wealth into a handful of the right pockets, no matter who “wins” in November.
    And anyone who supposes that we will, as a nation, have agreed upon a winner by January 20th is naive in the extreme.

    • thirdcoastlegend September 11, 2020 at 10:59 am #

      In the current state of affairs I see the Republicans as the mere punching bag faction of the Uniparty.

      Their role is to make noises that keep traditionalists asleep so they fail to notice the constant leftward drift of American society.

      • Rupert September 11, 2020 at 1:16 pm #

        GOP = Washington Generals.

    • JohnAZ September 11, 2020 at 11:40 am #

      No there is no longer a GOP. It is history! What is left the the patriotic, 20th century American GOP that Reagan led is gone. Today that sentiment is carried by one man, and he has had the s—t beat out of him for supporting a nationalist America.

      • Nightowl September 11, 2020 at 2:48 pm #

        In the United States there is only the Uniparty or Trump. Trump is more or less a classical liberal.

        The neocons killed the GOP, though I was never much of a fan anyways.

      • C.O. Jones September 11, 2020 at 3:29 pm #

        I agree but…this one man has agreed to have the s–t beat out of him by not fighting back. By impersonating a human punching bag, he has allowed this country to be plunged into the chaos we now see and worse chaos that we will experience as the election draws nearer.

        I fear that even if indictments and prosecution of the communists responsible for the coup attempts were announced today, it would mean nothing but years of lawyers wrangling.

        If we don’t administer the Mussolini treatment SOON, the military vaccinators will be kicking down our doors.

        • Nightowl September 11, 2020 at 3:38 pm #

          I feel ya. The logic, as I see it, is that they have to be totally exposed. The majority of the public must understand what is going on. Rushed action will only result in defeat.

          I have to admit, I have been truly shocked by how close these criminals came to having full control. That nearly the entire media is bought and paid for is simply extraordinary, never mind the corruption everywhere else.

          But here we are.

  13. hmuller September 11, 2020 at 10:50 am #

    Is that all you have to say? Don’t you want to support the rioting, arson, looting, rape, and murder? Your party leaders embrace it.

    • hmuller September 11, 2020 at 10:51 am #

      That was meant for a Cancel My Card comment that seems to have disappeared.

  14. sanspeur September 11, 2020 at 10:59 am #

    If anyone has taken a cursory look a exactly what Q has posted over the past 3 years, you would reach the same conclusions as JK. The frustration in the Q community, is that Q claims to be inside, showing us the links to the crimes, but appears to helpless in doing anything.

    My feeling is that it will come down to the citizenry to actually stand up and say NO to the TEEVEE, the DNC, the fraud and the lies.

    My confidence in that happening is about 5%, seeing all the pod people happily accept the COVID lie, and perpetuate the emotional, educational, social destruction of our children.


    from post 4641


    Sometimes you cannot tell people the truth.

    You must show them.

    Only then, at the precipice, will people find the will to change [to participate].

    We, the People, have been betrayed for a very long time.






    WE GO ALL !!!


    • hmuller September 11, 2020 at 11:28 am #

      Screw Trump; let’s elect Q as President. We may never see him or know his identity. But compare that to a do-nothing windbag and an Alzheimer patient drooling jello and pooping his Depends, I’ll opt for Q..

      • vengeur September 11, 2020 at 11:45 am #

        Sure, Trump does nothing. That’s why the Democrats oppose him at every turn lol.

        • hmuller September 11, 2020 at 11:50 am #

          Do you watch daytime soap operas believing them to be real life?

        • hmuller September 11, 2020 at 12:49 pm #

          Bug eyed Adam Schiff and his motley clowns impeached a President for having a perfectly normal conversation with a foreign leader. Maybe we’re watching a SitCom. In the Seinfeld tradition it was “an impeachment about nothing”.

      • Q. Shtik September 11, 2020 at 12:46 pm #

        Screw Trump; let’s elect Q as President. – hmuller


        Thanks for the support hmuller and sanspeur but I don’t ‘do’ politics, plus I’m too old. 🙂 🙂

    • JohnAZ September 11, 2020 at 11:44 am #

      Problem here is the citizenry have changed to support the Marxists. The ACP has spent forty years importing socialistic minded immigrants and educating the indulged last two generations that Marxism is the future. We are outnumbered.

      • SoftStarLight September 11, 2020 at 12:15 pm #

        So does this mean you finally see that immigration is a scourge and that a nation must be homogenous if it is to survive?

        • outsider September 11, 2020 at 6:27 pm #

          Our eventual destruction as a nation was baked in the cake when LBJ signed the infamous Hart-Celler Immigration Act of 1965.

        • JohnAZ September 11, 2020 at 6:47 pm #

          Nope! Unless you want to go out and harvest all the crops in America or do the other menial work that immigrants do.

          I have always believed in controlled immigration according to need only. No screwing over Americans by replacing them, no illegals, limited college visas, absolutely no foreign students in our service academies.

          The rest of our diverse population are Americans and we are stuck with them I guess. Diversity only works with a benign central culture that all groups sign up to. That has been lost in this country as the BLM types refuse to acknowledge the common culture and want their own substituted. And yes, our common culture is White. If the BLM et all cannot fit in, they need to go elsewhere.

          First step is stop uncontrolled immigration and throw out all the Marxist professors. I am very disappointed with Trump on both of these issues.

          That happens? We become the United States of Africa. Never in a million years.

          A really good question here, SSL. Why is it that all the uniparty folks want to have BLM as the controlling group now. The media, polity, corporations, high tech are all turning into BLM lovers. All the white kids too. Whatever has converted these groups is what is destroying America. Whoever wants BLM and Antifa to succeed are enemies of this country.

          Homogeneity can be one creed, allegiance to this country for example. All these groups have lost that.


      • sophia September 12, 2020 at 9:41 am #

        We are not outnumbered. That is the illusion. Selective reporting is a very effective strategy. Seeing the chaos and who encourages it is causing a lot of people to see more clearly.

  15. Kim September 11, 2020 at 11:21 am #

    Just outstanding. What a synopsis.

    As to the final, heavy question, what are we doing about it, it does seem that voting still matters, or they would not be so desperate to interfere with and disrupt it.

    The covid scam + rioting + mass postal voting fraud + coup talk = they see this election as existential. They are desperate to get their hands back on the levers. Maybe their plans call for another war and they think Trump won’t supply it?

    So, vote, that has to be one thing citizens can do.

    Aside from that, prep like a prepper.

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    • JohnAZ September 11, 2020 at 11:45 am #

      The vote is becoming irrelevant.

      • Kim September 11, 2020 at 11:50 am #

        Yeh, maybe so. In that case, prep.

      • sophia September 12, 2020 at 9:44 am #

        Not irrelevant. We voted Trump in and can do so again. What I really hope to see is a vast sweep of Democrats out of office. That does not mean republicans are wonderful, but the dem party is the sedition and America hating party and first step is to get rid of them.

        • edpell September 12, 2020 at 9:21 pm #

          The democrat party is an CCP operation.

  16. QuantumOfIdleness September 11, 2020 at 11:23 am #

    The thing that has me puzzled is the book by Bob Woodward. Does anybody here have any idea why Trump would allow Bob Woodward to interview him, when he must have known full well that Woodward would come out with a book that cast a very negative light on his administration?

    • Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 12:56 pm #

      As one poster said, because he wanted to feel important. Because he is often a fool.

      Woodward has been a darling of the Democrats ever since Nixon. And all Republicans are Nixon. The moral score is always 100 to to their 0 with these folks. Tucker is trying to blame Lindsay Graham for setting it up. That doesn’t excuse Trump. It was an obvious trap.

      Why did Trump ever appoint John Bolton, the ultimate war monger, and an opponent to everything Trump has ever said about foreign policy? Was that Jared’s idea? Why does Trump listen to that loathsome traitor to begin with? It comes back to him, no one else.

      • malthuss September 11, 2020 at 2:02 pm #

        Woodward is Jewish.

        • beantownbill. September 11, 2020 at 4:37 pm #

          You are a dinkshit when it comes to Jews. Woodward is Christian.

          Let’s see. Aren’t Xi and Putin Jewish? After all, their real names are Ximan and Putinburg. Oh, and wait! That means the bogeyman is Jewish. Wasn’t Bogie’s name originally Humphrey Bogyman, too? It’s all the Jews‘ fault! Everything!

          • Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 5:43 pm #

            Attorney General Barr is both Christian and Jewish. A mystery wrapped in an enigma! He won’t be doing anything about the Antifa in other words – too many young kinsmen having the time of their lives out on the street. Anglin estimates 40%.

  17. shox September 11, 2020 at 11:27 am #

    I am really scared for the US and for the world. It looks to me like civil war is imminent as the rot within every institution – from the judiciary system, to the bureaucracy, to even the CDC, 10% of whose employees wants racism to be declared a public health emergency – becomes visible for everyone to see.

    Every single vital organ of the United States – government, media, education, law-enforcement – is infected with the cynical cult of leftism and its lies. One cannot trust the authorities anymore. The law itself is full of unfairness and double-standards, where one group of people is treated differently. A time will come when it will be every man for himself.

    I’m a little gobsmacked that people, especially moderates and conservatives, are still passively going about their every-day lives, oblivious to the fact that the elections are about to be undermined by the mail-in ballot system, oblivious to the civil war that comes in the aftermath.

    There is ONLY ONE resolution to this impasse: Total war, in which one side must completely exterminate the other.

    • Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 12:58 pm #

      What we would have needed is for Trump to strike first by declaring martial law. But the military was undermined by Obama and Trump never thought to put loyal generals in place. So that is no longer possible.

      • malthuss September 11, 2020 at 2:02 pm #

        California is under Martial law, not quarantine.

        • benr September 13, 2020 at 10:41 am #

          I see no evidence of such.
          No machine gun toting people in Uniform.
          No mandatory curfews.
          We are just short of martial law and restrictions are easing but still over the top.

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  18. RaymondR September 11, 2020 at 11:28 am #

    When JHK mentioned the kraken, I was immediately reminded of the name of the new NHL team


  19. beantownbill. September 11, 2020 at 11:30 am #

    I dislike conspiracy theories in general because most of them are presented without facts, but I can no longer Ignore them. Obviously, our country is falling apart. As JHK asks, why? Our government at many levels no longer represents the people, if it ever did before. Any differences between the Democratic and Republican parties are irrelevant. Trump or Biden is irrelevant.

    What’s truly lacking is an active opposition to the way things currently are. Most people just try to go about their business. It’s not that people are dumb or oblivious. It’s that people have been removed from the political process for such a long time that they think what’s occurring now is just a phase we’re going through. I don’t blame them for feeling that way (even though I occasionally complain how dumb they are, but that’s just me being angry).

    What we need is for aware individuals to organize and educate the public about what’s really happening; to speak to public groups and organizations, rationally, without appearing to be tinfoil hat wearers. It wouldn’t require many individuals. Ronald Reagan won his election because he asked the public if they were better off now than before. People need to be asked those kinds of questions. Not lectured to. They need to have their worries and feelings validated. If the citizenry were put in a situation where they must answer questions, then they’ll begin to act much more responsibly and effectively. It’s all about suggesting, not demanding.

    • JohnAZ September 11, 2020 at 11:52 am #

      Conspiracy theories stem from observation of what is going on and hypotheses of what is causing all the coincidences and concerted activity. Ignoring potential conspiracies is fatal. How many coordinated activities from the Left have to happen before it’s conspiracy is acknowledged. Ignoring, denying conspiracies is exactly what the conspirators want, surprise attacks wok well.

      Many Americans ignored the winds of war prior to Pearl Harbor. Hitler could have been stopped early on if not for the deniers.

    • Billy Hill September 11, 2020 at 12:05 pm #

      “…aware individuals to organize and educate the public about what’s really happening…”

      The mind control is complete. I have found that reciting to my leftist siblings the litany of abuses our host mentions above is talking to a brick wall. Logic, to paraphrase the borg, is futile.

      The future awaits us in East Germany!

      • beantownbill. September 11, 2020 at 1:47 pm #

        The whole point is to overcome mind control by opposing it. Mind control can be overcome. It’s a matter of mental conditioning. If it happened once, it can happen again in an opposite direction. That’s what we mean when we say it’s a war for the hearts and minds of Americans. So far the opposing side (us) hasn’t fought very much.

    • SoftStarLight September 11, 2020 at 12:10 pm #

      Not totally true. There is opposition to the way things currently are. The problem is that opposition is always targeted, infiltrated and deconstructed. The most powerful operate in secrets and half secrets. Because the narrative is the war in many cases much of the public may never know the truth. One must assume that the powerful are therefore inherently untrustworthy. But it is a spectrum. There is a vast difference between Trump and Biden. To say there isn’t is misleading. But remember all of the thousands of unelected bureaucrats and judges that rule over our lives. Why have we allowed that?

      • beantownbill. September 11, 2020 at 1:48 pm #

        See my comment just above.

    • malthuss September 11, 2020 at 2:04 pm #

      Obviously, our country is falling apart. As JHK asks, why?

      I know why, due to immigration. the 1965 Immigration Act.
      Signed by LBJ. Ask ‘Shredni’ who really was behind it.

      Thats why ‘we’ are a Dis united states.

    • Nightowl September 11, 2020 at 2:58 pm #

      What a strange statement. In politics, virtually everything can be classified as a conspiracy theory, which those withholding information from you know — which, in turn, is why they use the term “conspiracy theorist” to shame you.

      It is simply a way to shut down debate, and as you aptly demonstrate with your own words, it works.

      All that matters in this context is whether the evidence is strong enough to warrant an investigation that will produce verifiable facts.

      • hmuller September 11, 2020 at 6:04 pm #

        I’ve read articles by self credentialed armchair psychologists smugly analyzing how people who don’t believe the MSM are mentally ill and delusional.

        “How can we help our friends and relatives who have fallen into this terrible mentally deranged state?” the compassionate hand-wringing author asks.

        Clearly, questioning the narrative of The Powers That Be is prima facie evidence of mental illness and sensible people will not let themselves be drawn into such crazy-talk. Facts can be distorted, facts mean nothing. Our leaders would never lie to us. “So just shut your mouth, conspiracy theorist!”

  20. 100th Avatar September 11, 2020 at 11:33 am #

    “It may sound paranoid, but I feel compelled to ask: is Barack Obama running some kind of a shadow government from his Kalorama fortress…”

    No, it’s not paranoid.
    Not in the slightest.

    The brilliance of a soft coup involving both a wide scope and deep stratum (from agency heads to field staff) of bureaucracy is the substantial quantity of people it ensnares. People who are then compelled to work as only those fighting for self-preservation can work, to ensure that they get away with it.

    Intelligence agencies (CIA, NSA), the state/national police (FBI), the military, the US Attorney’s office, are all implicated, for they all are infested with the revolving-door employees who freely move between the private sector and top-level bureaucratic agency positions, “consultancies” in post-agency careers that monetarily reward those who know how to play the game, and sinecures as lobbyists paid for by a myriad of satisfied benefactors.

    It was made easier by the US’s compulsion that inhibits compunction in relation to the cult of personality.
    In essence: Obama is good, Trump is bad. Makes it easier to circle the wagons when you have an idol whose skin color is pretty much kevlar and teflon.

    The system is rotten. It is corrupt. It is infested by the worst kind of people. Mediocre men and women, but mostly men, who can lead careers attaining impressive rank and wealth by simply doing what they are told, following the game-plan, being someone’s “my boy” and riding the civil service wave into post-agency private sector rewards.

    This same system is employed in the commercial media sphere. Honestly, who would have dreamed that we would live in an era when truly rotten people heading agencies such as the NSA, CIA, or military “leaders” that have lost thousands of American lives killing thousands of poor and hopeless people -protecting our “freedoms” in their homelands no less, and losing -would be the rock stars of mainstream media? The heroes. To be a journalist these days is to write, say, and report what your told, because law knows you are not going to find many jobs paying for you to be an investigative journalist these days. Just take the check and get onboard.

    The United States is a failed state. I have said it for a long time. However, people are unable to set aside their desire for nostalgia, their observation that life in America is a lot better in most other places (although +90% of US society has never resided outside the empire), and their perfidious faith in patriotism blinds them from seeing otherwise.

    You can read countless books about leviathan, about the corrupting influences of bureaucracy, about the bottomless swamp, the deep state, but people do not care, because that does not exist in the America that exists in their mind.

    The programmed version. The one instilled with pledges and hands over hearts and flyovers at sporting events, at justifying endless war because of today’s date.

    It is not paranoid. It is resistance of the mind.

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    • lateStarter September 11, 2020 at 1:09 pm #

      One of the best summaries I have seen lately. Hats off to you.

      • 100th Avatar September 11, 2020 at 1:44 pm #

        sorry, Q (does he still exist?), for all the pathetic typos.

        dreamt, you’re, “lawd”, paranoia, et al.

    • beantownbill. September 11, 2020 at 1:55 pm #

      It takes 30 days of practice to overcome a habit, so one or two attempts to counter someone’s mindset is not enough. That’s why the opposition is constantly bombarding us with their propaganda; reinforcement needs time.

      • malthuss September 11, 2020 at 2:05 pm #

        some habits are never overcome. I knew a gal who tried everything to stop cigs. couldnt do it.
        She had OCD as well.

        • Q. Shtik September 11, 2020 at 3:49 pm #

          I knew a gal who tried everything to stop cigs. couldnt do it. – malth


          It’s easy to stop smoking, I’ve done it hundreds of times.

          • hmuller September 11, 2020 at 6:07 pm #

            Every smoker eventually permanently stops. How hard can it be?

  21. Penelope Dreadful September 11, 2020 at 11:36 am #

    Good article. I think this would be more understandable if we quit viewing these people as normal, sane individuals, and instead view them as what they are– religious fanatics. Many Democrats and Leftists have gone off the deep end on the Democratic Party Narrative, the same way some people go off the deep end over Christianity. I think this is the result of a certain mindset, or maybe Jungian archetype that manifests itself in different ways over different time periods. Move these people back in time a hundred years and they would be busting up saloons and trying to save fallen women from alcohol. Move them to 1930-1940s Germany, and they would be just peachy with rounding up the Jews. Move them back several hundred years and they would be burning heretics at the stake. Or prosecuting witches, as in Europe, and then Salem.

    The root of the current manifestation is the whole “we are on the side of the angels” belief among Democrats – that they are good and moral and smart and anybody who isn’t one of them is on the side of the devils. Just like the Spanish Inquisitors thought they were on the side of God, It explains the violent SJWS who are literally trying to burn people (heretics) alive with Molotov cocktails. It explains the Original Sin-like attributes of White Privilege, and the hysterical over-reaction to people who simply say All Lives Matter. And the burning need (literally sometimes) to rewrite history and dwell on 1492 and 1619. It explains the hyperbole about Global Warming and its apocalyptic effect on Earth.

    There is even a parallel between “safe spaces” and the “sanctuary” aspect of churches. It explains the hysteria over various symbols like the Confederate flag, or statues of Columbus. It is simply religious fervor and fanaticism unmoored from a physical church building or any actual belief in a god. In fact, the current religious fanatics of the woke Democratic Left are anti-religion and anti-Christianity most of the time. But I surmise that it is more of a Catholic vs. Protestant schism or interdenominational squabble. This is why you see the tremendous pressure on Free Speech, and the attempt to shut down any dissenting view – because those views are not just arguably “wrong”, but are blasphemy and heresy. You even have a tie-in to “transubstantiation” where instead of the bread becoming the actual body of Christ, a man can become a woman, and vice versa, just because they have that Democratic Party faith. They have even brought back the old practice of “shunning”, where the members of the church would “dis-infellowship” the excommunicated, or others who broke certain religious taboos. Now, it is called “cancel culture.”

    Outside of the cynical power mad maniacs like Pelosi, the Democrat Party is simply being led by religious fanatics. The Democrats had to go to a faith-based belief system because their main theories about life have turned out to be crap. No, you can’t replace fathers with a welfare check. No, you can’t make black people equal by affirmative action and test score-padding. No, you can’t be nice to criminals and cut down crime. No, feminism doesn’t work, which is why you have to import religiously conservative baby-makers from Mexico and Central America. No, smoking dope doesn’t make you a better person, or a better citizen. No, people who burn down buildings and loot shoe stores are not oppressed.

    Democrats are starting to be confronted with the fact that cities and states they have run for decades are not the paradises that were promised. No, by and large they suck. Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, Philadelphia, etc. And it is becoming more obvious to sensible people. Electing Democrats did not make things all better. So that is why they need to double down on that Old Time Religion, so to speak, and wasn’t that FDR a pip way back when!

    And it is not going to get any better. As they are constantly barraged by real, actual facts as opposed to politically correct facts, they are going to become more mentally unraveled. They are already clamoring to defund the police, which pits them against the cynical wing of the party who knows that is nonsense. They are clamoring to secede, and just like the Old Time Puritans, they are trying to set up their own autonomous zones for “religious freedom” purposes, where they can worship at the altar of Social Justice. Delusional people do not go down easily. They go out kicking and screaming.

    • SoftStarLight September 11, 2020 at 12:01 pm #

      And yet your equivocation between the fanaticism of Old Time Puritans and todays SJWS is a symptom of the most corrosive and deadly modern disease. Moral Relativism. It is a vacuum and so it cannot stand. A hypothetical lukewarm middle can’t hold. Human societies tend to organize around religious beliefs. Choices will have to be made.

      • tlauria September 11, 2020 at 2:19 pm #

        Human societies tend to organize around religious beliefs for the same reason they organized into bands to hunt the wooly mammoth:

        Humans need a belief system the same way they need to eat. And clothe themselves, and socialize & communicate.

        It’s hard wired in us to find purpose and if it isn’t a supernatural one then it could be cultural, racial or political.

        Once the supernatural deities were declared dead, did anyone expect that the problem Marx said was medicated by religion would go away?

        No, indeed. A void was created and we know how much nature abhors vacuums,so little by little the state took on the role of a supernatural deity.

        But no one in the Democratic party – not even Obama and his handlers – was smart enough to know this. They’re too pragmatic and grabbed onto anything that would expeditiously get them the reins of power.

        They’re just puppets whose strings are pulled by the guy to whom Alinsky dedicated RULES FOR RADICALS.

        • SoftStarLight September 11, 2020 at 4:12 pm #

          I agree but I do wonder if Obama and at least some of his handlers were very consciously aware and were actively supplanting the old American and Christian ideals (which were waning in mainstream culture before that anyway) with their new Marxist and Globalist ideals? Definitely many useful idiots are being used to “burn the system down” as you say.

      • sevensec September 11, 2020 at 6:01 pm #

        Agree very much on this. There has been a swarm of writers referring to Wokeness as “religion”–to me, though Woke may contain characteristics of religiosity, it is so far from genuine religion that to call it that only shows how spiritually clueless and barren the modern intellectual generally has become.

        • SoftStarLight September 12, 2020 at 2:15 pm #

          And at least with old time religion in the American context there is the possibility of redemption. The new woke religion offers no redemption and thus requires constant and unquestioning affirmation.

    • rainmaker September 11, 2020 at 12:21 pm #

      Penelope – JMG the Archdruid says that Liberals are adherents of “The Religion of Progress”, and that their fanatical mindset is a denial that their “religion” has failed.

      • Penelope Dreadful September 11, 2020 at 12:44 pm #

        JMG the Archdruid is right. The UFO cognitive dissonance researcher back in the 50’s noted that when disconfirmation took place, as long as there were others willing, the delusions and false thinking continued, and often more fervidly. When the midwest did not flood, and the Aliens did not swoop down to pick them up, the true believers just doubled down.

        • Nightowl September 11, 2020 at 3:02 pm #

          Interesting, I was thinking about this topic today. The bizarre aspect is not necessarily the doubling down, but the doubling down in the face of crushing evidence to the contrary.

          It is a fascinating phenomenon.

          • Penelope Dreadful September 11, 2020 at 4:15 pm #

            Very true. One of the key elements is having social support from other people who share the disconfirmed and delusional belief. With Twitter and a complicit media, there is no way most of these looney tunes are ever going to figure out they are cray-cray. There are too many just like them.

      • Penelope Dreadful September 11, 2020 at 12:49 pm #

        You might enjoy this. Good read and amazing how thick-headed some people are.

        “The experiences of this observer well characterize the state of affairs following the Christmas caroling episode—a persistent, frustrating search for orders,” Festinger and his co-authors write. After this, the believers began to disperse, leaving Martin’s home for their own, though not all of them lost their faith. Martin did not—in fact, she went on to found the Order of Sananda and Sanat Kumara (the names of two of the Guardians), calling herself “Sister Thedra.”

        The lesson the researchers learned from all this, as they wrote in the introduction to When Prophecy Fails: “A man with a conviction is a hard man to change.” And when that conviction is as important as the promise of salvation coming from the sky, “it may even be less painful to tolerate the dissonance than to discard the belief and admit one had been wrong.”


      • beantownbill. September 11, 2020 at 2:01 pm #

        So-called progress is different for every group. In the book, “Man Makes Himself”, the author uses street lighting as an example. For the average person adequate street lighting is a plus; for a pickpocket, it is undesirable.

    • Opie September 11, 2020 at 1:02 pm #

      Nicely put, I think it was CS Lewis who said something along the line of “it’s not that they believe in nothing,it’s that they will believe in anything.”

      • Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 1:08 pm #

        No it’s more like: Because they believe in nothing, they will believe in anything.

        It can be subtle: one guy I mentioned this to simply denied it. And he was an agnostic about most things, but his God was Sports. That’s where he put his Faith. He would deny that too, but so what? The Democrats deny that they’re a religion or that Obama is their savior. It changes nothing.

        As Christ said, Where your treasure is, there shall your heart be also.

    • Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 1:05 pm #

      Well said. Now consider Obama as the Christ of this religion: half sinful human (White) and half Divine (Black), only he can save Whites from their original sin. This religion teaches that Whites must be put beneath all other races, but of course especially the Blacks who will be supposedly at the top. But of course Pelosi and the rest will snicker as she kneels to her inferiors.

    • SW September 11, 2020 at 4:22 pm #

      They’re the “true believers” and all actions are justified by this fervent belief. If some people really do consider Trump to be Hitler it’s easier to see why any and all action taken to “stop him” no matter if it breaks the law, is an outright falsehood or a matter of sedition is too extreme. All the people noted in today’s post felt justified—perhaps even heroic—in their lawless behavior and have many others equally convinced. From the beginning of his presidency, the pussy hat resistance (and on & on) had the flavor of a witch hunt. The hunt will be over when the witch is dead or expelled. They’ve made that very clear.

      I don’t think this can be stopped and the only prediction I can make is no matter who’s president-elect on November 4, the country as we knew it won’t be back. The public school system with its many failures was still the ballast in most communities—now its crippled, the public restaurants, libraries, parks are emptied, and shopping is an online activity (enriching Jeff Bezos).

    • sevensec September 11, 2020 at 5:59 pm #

      in a very real sense the entire United States IS a cult. Though there are differing views on what exactly that cult should be called.

      A very good recent reference to this is Aris Roussinos’ article, “Covid has exposed America as a failed state”. He says:

      “America’s rapid rise to global hegemony and equally rapid decline is a grand historical tragedy of the highest order, and as in classical tragedy, the root cause is the protagonist’s central character flaw. Born of 18th-century liberal ideals, and centred on a sacred set of texts, a constitution and declaration of independence debated with rabbinical exactitude and religious fervour, for the United States, that flaw is its civic religion of liberalism.”

      Also Moldbug’s take on the central role of Quakerism in the American Founding and subsequent evolution (or “progression”) is worth pondering. See “An Open Letter to Open-Minded Progressives,
      Chapter 5”.

      Whoever is right, here is one truth: the inner motivating essence of the USA is far weirder than most of the people living in it have had any inkling of. And that weirdness has to do with something more than just *religiosity* or *obedience*–those things have been present everywhere, but have not created quite this same weirdness.

    • sevensec September 11, 2020 at 6:03 pm #

      Also, this:

      “The Democrats had to go to a faith-based belief system because their main theories about life have turned out to be crap. No, you can’t replace fathers with a welfare check. No, you can’t make black people equal by affirmative action and test score-padding. No, you can’t be nice to criminals and cut down crime. No, feminism doesn’t work, which is why you have to import religiously conservative baby-makers from Mexico and Central America. No, smoking dope doesn’t make you a better person, or a better citizen. No, people who burn down buildings and loot shoe stores are not oppressed.”

      …is dead-on. I’d contend that much of the madness we see on the side of “progress” has precisely to do with the widely felt reality that both Progress and the policies and opinions commonly associated with it are palpably *failing*, or at least heavily disappointing. The Left, in other words, is beset with a Festinger-style psychotic break due to disconfirmed prophecy.

      As you say, the danger is that the disconfirmation will not lead to abandonment of the prophecy, but doubling down. With regard to this, I think we are unfortunately only in the opening stages.

      In my opinion the grand significance of ideas like JHK’s “World Made By Hand” is that these too offer a kind of corrective or countervailing prophecy–one that is both much more plausible than liberalism’s infinitely increasing techno-goodies or infinitely increasing licentiousness, and also is the exact nemesis of progressivism’s increasingly hideous grand-scheming and anti-realism.

      • SW September 12, 2020 at 10:57 am #

        The reality of what life is like in Baltimore for example is ignored by the Democrats because it’s hard to argue with cold reality—high schools where not one kid passed the math test, high murder rate, and neighborhoods gutted. And Democrats have been in charge for 53 years. I don’t agree that America is a cult but the state religion is “there’s nobody quite like us & we’re always right (even when proven wrong). “

  22. BackRowHeckler September 11, 2020 at 11:39 am #

    Bob Woodward, same age as Biden, 77 years old.

    Trying to relive the halcyon days, the glory days of Watergate a half century ago.

    These people just will not or cannot take a bow and leave the stage; that’s how important, that’s how essential to history they consider themselves.


    • JohnAZ September 11, 2020 at 11:56 am #

      Do not forget that Watergate was a smashing success for the Left, got Carter elected. His failures led to Reagan.

    • Robert White September 11, 2020 at 1:31 pm #

      Woodward is a veteran hawk investigative journalist that is recognized worldwide for his reporting that led to Nixon’s resignation. Woodward is entitled to write for a living as he is not yet retired, or dead.

      Writers like Woodward write until they die, BRH.

      Jim will write til he dies too.

      Veteran writers never stop writing as writing is their passion.


      • Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 2:17 pm #

        He’s a fossil who thinks it’s still 1968. Lost in past glories.

        • Nightowl September 11, 2020 at 3:03 pm #

          Watergate aside, he also has a terrible track record of making things up.

          • SW September 11, 2020 at 3:59 pm #

            Woodward’s glory days are over and he hasn’t written anything in the last 30 years worth reading. Sorry, but he’s simply part of the DC echo chamber & has gotten maximum benefit from Watergate.

        • drewkeeling September 11, 2020 at 6:46 pm #

          In 1968, Woodward was in the Navy (says Wikipedia) and (say various reviews of “All the President’s Men”) a Republican who voted that year for Nixon. He did not become a Wash. Post reporter until 1971.

          This is not to advocate for or against his latest book, but just to point out that “past of glories” of 1968 are an unlikely motive or objective for that book.

          • SW September 12, 2020 at 10:38 am #

            There’s an article in The Spectator by Amber Athley about Bob Woodward’s extensive history of lying & distortion. An opportunist with mediocre writing skills apparently can make quite a career for himself in DC.

  23. abcdef September 11, 2020 at 11:41 am #

    Hi Mr. Kunstler,
    You do sound paranoid, but that doesn’t mean that you are–there could be large scale protests if the election doesn’t go off the way that people want it to go. What interests me is your unwillingness to see that what you fear the Democratic Party might do is matched–over-matched by what the Party of Donald Trump will do.

    Let us not beat around the bush here–Given that 40% or more of people are voting by mail this year, and that the majority of them are projected to be voting for Biden et al, it is quite possible that on election night Donald Trump will declare himself the winner, only to find that when postal votes are counted, that he isn’t. This is a predictable outcome–not from graft or fraud, but just reality.

    And what will happen then as the President clings desperately to power? If you care about the Republic, care about that possibility AS WELL, Mr. Kunstler.

    Well, ABCDEF, that’s the Democratic Party’s narrative, isn’t it? And the opportunity for voter fraud is why mail-in voting is so popular with people of bad faith.–JHK Admin

    • vengeur September 11, 2020 at 11:53 am #

      Trump is going to match and over -match what the Democrats are going to do? What a stupid ass inanity. Please quit watching MSNBC.

    • JohnAZ September 11, 2020 at 11:58 am #

      Uh, remember Abe Lincoln? The reaction to him was CW1.

    • rainmaker September 11, 2020 at 12:27 pm #

      I heard a joke the other day, probably an oldie, but a goodie. “According to the yard signs, Biden will come in third, behind Trump and garage sale.”

      • elysianfield September 11, 2020 at 7:02 pm #

        Worse. My Grandfather has voted Republican all his life, but will be voting for Biden this election…if he were still alive, this never would happen….

    • Ishabaka September 11, 2020 at 12:42 pm #

      Democrats are driving themselves insane with imaginary crimes President Trump will commit in the the future, in their minds.

      • Nightowl September 11, 2020 at 3:08 pm #

        No, it is just a propaganda technique. Consider the fact that they actually claimed Trump secretly groomed by Putin from a young age to destroy America, and things get a lot clearer.

        The Manchurian Candiate conspiracy theory remains one of the most comical conspiracies most of us have ever heard, and it was on the lips of every MSM hack and low-IQ lemming around for over two years.

        It is a great time to be alive.

      • Majella September 11, 2020 at 5:16 pm #

        That’s rich, given all the utter TRIPE issuing from the mouth of DJT, especially the ‘mail ballot fraud’ narrative.

    • Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 1:11 pm #

      Could be protests? Weak tea. Small beer. There WILL BE mass rioting possibly leading to Civil War if Trump clearly wins beyond any reasonable doubt.

      • beantownbill. September 11, 2020 at 2:04 pm #

        I agree.

      • Nightowl September 11, 2020 at 3:10 pm #

        Part of me actually wants to see DC burn. Not the rest of the country, mind you, but DC …

        Set up security around the stuff that matters and let the hood rats and vegan gentrifiers torch the rest.

    • abcdef September 11, 2020 at 7:23 pm #

      Yes, Mr. Kunstler, it is the Democratic Party’s narrative, but that is irrelevant to my claim, when looking at the President’s behaviour, rhetoric, and responses to the crises he is facing. I also agree that there are people of bad faith–many of them argue against mail-in voting–not because of fraud but because It makes voting easier, and makes it more likely that Republicans will lose (something Mr. Trump freely acknowledges).

      So, are you going to say–in the face of plenty of evidence to the contrary of your position and very little to support it–that the scenario I offer is the really that unlikely? The President (who has never been good at losing and who will do everything in his power–ethical or unethical to get his way) has already given us the blueprint of what he intends to do. I am guessing you agree with me on the underlying situation as I have described it, qui? Is it that don’t want to contemplate the possibility that the American public will kick someone out of power who clearly gives zero fucks about them.

      When I look at the other folks who have commented on my reply to you above, I don’t see any commentator willing to engage on the substance of what I offer. I think we all agree that what I have outlined is the way it is very likely going down in November, if Mr. Trump “appears to lose.”

      The evidence for widespread fraud is extremely weak–at best–very little has been cited in the face of widespread mail-in voting over many years, yet you (and many other commentators here) cling to its possibility or even inevitability, as you would to a talisman. And all you can offer is an ad hominem attack on those who favour it as being “popular with people of bad faith.” The idea that the polls reflect what is the likely trajectory of the contest is a possibility that you admit on the one hand and want to reject on the other. You have acknowledged that Mr Trump, to paraphrase, “is no angel.” I think those facts mean that the person most likely wanting to commit fraud is the President. Would you prefer him to win, by fraud, if the other alternatives is to not win at all?

      As someone who passionately believes that even flawed, Mr Trump is the best choice is something I respect. But the manner in which you have had to deform a narrative by ignoring the very real dangers and incompetencies that Mr. trump embodies, to make it fit your beliefs, is something I don’t really understand.

      You have definitely changed your beliefs and attitudes since I started reading you before the Great Recession (not about the Long Emergency though). I would like to understand that change better. I am sure you have spoken of it in your blog, but if you could point me to the point(s) or hyperinks of past entries where it changed for you (and you described it in your blog), back when these realisations happened, I would appreciate this. I stopped reading you for a while after the Great Recession (and then again spottily for a few years), and I missed this change.

      • Q. Shtik September 11, 2020 at 9:40 pm #

        Yes, Mr. Kunstler – abc


        Yippie, abc has dropped “Hi.”

    • sophia September 12, 2020 at 6:36 pm #

      The problem, abcdef is that mail-in voting has never been done and for very good reasons. If we simply have a normal election, Trump would not engage over it. But if the dems, who are openly dishonest and seditionist, insist upon creating a chaotic election, why should the populace believe his loss? And why should Trump accept it?

      If you think Biden could win, your head is in the sand. He is even more unpopular than Clinton, and Trump and the R party have gained steadily. There is no way Biden wins without cheating.

      • abcdef September 14, 2020 at 6:10 pm #

        Hi Sophia,
        I don’t think that is actually true–all the analysis I have seen is that overall, Biden is more popular than Clinton (hence why he has the advantage at the moment. The weight of polls also does not support your contention, so what are you relying on exactly to support your claim?

  24. vengeur September 11, 2020 at 11:43 am #

    Mr. Kunstler doesn’t have all the answers. But he definitely has all the right questions.

    • JohnAZ September 11, 2020 at 12:01 pm #

      The reason the right answers are not there is numbers. Custer faced the same problem of being outnumbered in 1876. It did not end well for him. BTW, it did not end well for the victors either eventually.

  25. Kim September 11, 2020 at 11:48 am #

    The deagel forecast for US population by 2025 is 100 million.

    I don’t see that as impossible at all.


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    • woe September 11, 2020 at 12:06 pm #

      Well then, most of those deaths will be from gunshots.

      • vengeur September 11, 2020 at 12:12 pm #

        Well there’s always the Rapture for those so inclined.

    • Majella September 11, 2020 at 5:20 pm #

      236 million reduction in 1,936 days. Right…121,900 per day, starting today, on top of existing death/birth rate. Does ‘deagel’ speculate on what’s going to cause this, Kimmy?

      • beantownbill. September 11, 2020 at 6:05 pm #

        There was just a posting, no attribution. How are these numbers derived, and what causes them?

        • Kim September 11, 2020 at 9:53 pm #

          @ beantownhill

          Nobody knows anything about the how or why of the Deagel numbers. It is some kind of weapons-industry related company. The numbers are startling of course but what gets me is that they don’t predict negative demographic outcomes for China. I don’t see how China could survve bad outcomes for the USA. They can’t even feed themselves. In the end, Deagel is just a basis for speculation and thought experiments.

          • Majella September 12, 2020 at 4:43 am #

            So, ‘fake noon’, and you’re posting it. Duh.

          • Majella September 12, 2020 at 4:44 am #


      • Kim September 11, 2020 at 9:49 pm #

        Yes, it would be the greatest population falloff in history by any measure. The only way that I see it happening – and this is the “not impossible” part – is if shale oil, which is currently in its death throes, did not come back at all, but I think that would require that the money were no longer available to do the financial CPR that has kept it operating unprofitably these last ten years. Still, even then, many of the holes are now done in any case.

        In recent times, the United States has consumed 20 million barrels of oil a day. Shale oil has provided about 8 million of those barrels. Could that become zero by 2025? Certainly that is possible.

        Then there is the issue of the value of the dollar, which could exacerbate the oil problem as a valueless US dollar would mean the end of oil imports too, except under the gun. For example, 9% of US crude oil imports today come from Mexico (they are third behind Canada and Saudi Arabia). Would Mexico still export crude to the US? Would Saudi Arabia or Canada? With current oil prices, Saudi Arabia is herself currently about three months from bankruptcy. The situation is very serious.

        The fed debt has gone up from $4 trillion to $7 trillion in just a few months and if the covid scam is not stopped very soon, it could become any number you care to name, especially as MMT is introduced post-election and if the Fed keeps its promise of zero interest rates and financial repression. Whether the economy got hyperdeflation or hyperinflation, accompanying mass unemployment (what is it today, 60 million? Will their jobs return?) and underemployment (half empty restaurants) would impoverish the entire country. Already the average citizen has no financial reserves.

        So now we get to the imagined mechanics of such an historic disaster. Let’s say that without shale oil – but still importing from SA, Canada and Mexico) the USA had only 12 million barrels a day to operate on, 60% of the current amount. That would call for rationing of petroleum and it would be rationed – broadly – only to four uses main 1) agriculture 2) essential manufacturing such as agricultural chemicals, pesticides and grain milling 3) trucking. 4) Military and law enforcement. No private car travel. Oh, and there would be no more energy-negative alcohol fuels either. They require too much in the way of oil based inputs.

        This would be the end of private business and employment. The current unemployment levels would increase. MMT would continue and money would quickly become worthless. Citizens would have to register for their electronic Fed money. Yes, this plan already exists.

        At that point, unless they can get a Fed account, I would expect every illegal South and Central American in the United Sates with relatives with access to a little finca back home would leave the USA. So that is maybe twenty million gone.

        Rationing would mean that the obese 38% of US citizens – 120 million people – would get the diet they so very much need but it would also mean that there would be no medecines or pharmaceuticals available for the fattie cohort. It woud be the end of medical treatments. Would these people get healthier, at least for while, or would they succumb to their obesity-induced illnesses? Who knows? In the short term, their health might improve. In the longer term, in a low-oil rationed system, they would be dead. With failing health, it could be common for people to have compromised immune systems, making the entire country vulnerable to (real) epidemic diseases. I would expect most of any such predicted deaths would come in this group, who already have severely damaged health.

        Hunger strikers usually last 21-40 days but they are inactive. People who have to be active and seek out food do not last that long, especially in cold environments. The Holodomor ran for about two years and finished off – as a lower estimate – about 15% of the population of Ukraine. The equivalent in the United States today might be 45 million. But much of the Ukranian population of the time were farmers or on the land. Few Americans in their high rise condos would have the opportunity to keep ducks or grow cabbages to supplemnet any ration.

        Of course, in China, the famine associated with the Great Leap Forward killed 65 million in two years. And again, the population in question there had deep traditions of farming. Few Americans would know how to grow an geranium.

        With no money to pay their way, and no pensions worth naming, the entire elderly cohort, especially those who are in nursing homes, but any elderly person who lives alone or is not in sturdy good health, would be on the mortality clock. That is about 17 million people today. And of course, in a world without oil, adanced old age starts around 45, not 65. In the year 1900, 45 was the average age of death in Europe. Expect to return to that very quickly.

        As it is in Venezuela today – except that Venezuela is being supported externally from China and Cuba while the USA would receive zero eternal help – the biggest problem is of course food delivery and making a rationing system work.

        In most respects in this area any Third world country has a great advantage over the United States because Third world people still eat or at least remember real food and can cook and fend for themseves in a day to day way. Especially if grandma is still alive to teach them.

        In Venezuela, a family monthly food ration package might (I speculate) look like ten kilos of rice, ten kilos of soybeans, five kilos of sugar, four kilos of baby formula, and 500 grams of coffee. Pregnant women might apply for eight eggs or 1,500 grams of chicken a week.

        The Third world person – usually a housewife – will take this meagre ration and try to supplement it wth some local traditional greens. Maybe they have a relative who lives in walking distance (20 miles) who has a small garden. The husband will try to find some work, or maybe sell something he has come by, legally or otherwise. Maybe he can find some firewood because electricity is no longer reliable and there must be a fire for cooking.

        What is the United States citizen living in a city going to do, I wonder? What will Shanniqua and Trayvon in their subsidized housing or that hipster in a Tribeca loft do with ten kilos of soybeans? What does a person who grew up on Wheatie Puffs for breakfast and tetra packs of milk and orange juice do with ten kilos of soy beans? What vegetables does such a person eat? And no vergatables means poor nutrition. Poor nutrition means quickly failing health.

        And then there is the issue of what industrial farming in the USA produces. Masses of corn and wheat. No doubt this is food to people who know what to do with it, but for most people in the United States this arrives in their mouths in the form of frozen pizza or even, quite simply, bread. So how will bread be produced and distributed? Well, it can’t be kept fresh for very long and can’t be delivered daily as warm baguettes just out of the oven so it has to be delivered as flour. What will the average person do with his ration of flour or of corn meal?

        Maybe they can sell it for crack?

        There is of course also the issue of endemic violence. Trucks on the road of all kinds will be the targets of well-organized gangs. It already happens across the United States that trucks are ambushed and emptied on a regular basis. How would any truck be safe as it entered any city in the United States. A truck full of milk powder would be the target of some pretty heavy weaponry. What man in the United States would not be in a gang, prepared to kill to steal to eat?

        In fact, any such rationing system as I propose could not succeed. How could it be protected?

        And then there are drugs and drugs withdrawals. I am sure that the drug trade would survive and even thrive in this scenario. Drugs are great barter items. But nonetheless, thedrugs of choice of the average US drug consumer would not be availabe under this scenario. About 12% of US citizens (at least 36 million people) are users of anti-depressant and psychotropic drugs with about 80% being long-term users. It would ne interesting to see how they handled the new reality. The suicide rate would be stupendous.

        Would the prisons be emptied? That would add nicely to the total confusion?

        Would children continue to be born? This is not an issue for 2025 of course, but I wonder how fast the birth rate would plummet from the current 4 million births a year in the United States and how many chidren would die in their childhood. Again, not a 2025 issue.

        Then there is the issue of whether this all came to outright civil war. To me, that would be an utter certainty and would kill of millions wherever the back/other racial faultlines met. If that didn’t produce the most ferocious and bloody race war in history, with an incredible death rate – easily millions – then I would be very surprised.

        Consider what happened in the civil war in Nigeria/Biafra:

        “Within a year, the Federal Government troops surrounded Biafra, capturing coastal oil facilities and the city of Port Harcourt. The blockade imposed during the ensuing stalemate led to mass starvation. During the two and half years of the war, there were about 100,000 overall military casualties, while between 500,000 and 3 million Biafran civilians died of starvation.”

        Such a civil war or hot conflict in the United States would quite simply make any rational type of system of public feeding impossible. The result would be certain mass starvation.

        And then, of course, internationally few would try to hose this situation down. On the contrary, there woud also be many countries, people and gobal institutions which would be perfectly happy to see the United States tear itself apart in this way. They might even seek to amplify the problems.

        Is all of this impossible? No. It is in fact, as I said, “not impossible”.

        • Majella September 12, 2020 at 10:19 am #

          Good answer. Thanks.

          • EnterpriseSpaceship September 13, 2020 at 8:30 pm #

            ….The fed debt has gone up from $4 trillion to $7 trillion in just a few months…

            And why one needs to consider this debt so real and cannot be wiped out by a push of a button, similar to how it was created in the first place?

            Economics is not a closed system, and having the Fed increasing the debt at will on the fly like this – is a confirmation…

            Physics is a closed-system, though!

            That is a barrel of oil will never come by its own from the underground to your car on the flying carpet ever, whether the price of oil is set to $0 or $infinity – it needs Energy for that to happen…

            That Energy should have been stocked in the past, readily, and it is this what we are running out of, owing to wear and tear internal to matter – aka repairs…

            Energy, like time, flows from past to future.

            The hey days of fossil fuels for the masses are over, even if by 2025 the population decreases back to 500 millions worldwide!

        • abcdef September 12, 2020 at 3:28 pm #

          Hi Kim,
          Consider the possibility of a large scale nuclear exchange… that will get you those figures, and a few years later, it might be even lower numbers all round …

        • Rulo Deschamps September 12, 2020 at 9:14 pm #

          Sad but true, Kim. That was a very methodical and rational list of the ways things could go very wrong. One can only hope they won’t get that bad. Yet, si vis pacem, para bellum, as the Romans used to say.

  26. Cavepainter September 11, 2020 at 12:06 pm #

    See what’s happening in the Willamette valley of Oregon? Officials are uniformly denying that Antifa/BLM has anything to do with the outbreak of fires (three times beyond usual) through this mostly rural part of Oregon. Yet figure, what stratigic genius for wreaking chaos across rural areas whereas intercity tactics wouldn’t work. In either situation it forces disruption of narmalcy at levels giving government excuse to impose absolute rule — fits perfectly with the global warming argument.

  27. Ishabaka September 11, 2020 at 12:17 pm #

    President Trump is the first president since Jimmy Carter to not start a new war. He is now nominated for TWO Nobel Peace prizes. President Trump is giving peace a chance.

    • Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 1:13 pm #

      Who has nominated him?

      • Nightowl September 11, 2020 at 3:22 pm #

        Swedish Parliament member Magnus Jacobsson, and Norwegian lawmaker Christian Tybring-Gjedde.

        • Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 5:40 pm #

          Trying to make up for their grotesque mistake in nominating Obama before he was even elected – because he was Black and cool or something. First thing Obama did was order a drone strike.

    • SoftStarLight September 11, 2020 at 4:08 pm #

      And yet that doesn’t mean much any more to all of the supposed journalists who in the past feigned to be anti war. Most of the media are the enemy of the people. And now the same sorts of psychological warfare and propaganda that the rogue spookies used overseas are being used widely in mainstream media. So now alleged liberals are big supporters of endless foreign wars and the big weapons industries. That flip was a psyop operation in and of itself.

      • JohnAZ September 11, 2020 at 7:02 pm #

        The fusion of the Dems and the RINO GOP is what has created the situation. The Deep State is the MIC as they gird themselves to protect the DS from the American public.

        It really is Us versus the Deep State. The power and money reside with the DS. The only control is the vote, Trump, and that is going away.


  28. 4014HAMPHEDGE September 11, 2020 at 12:41 pm #

    Here are 2 palindromes containing clues…

    # 1. SOROS: A demonic element bringing anarchy to America.

    # 2. A man, a plan, a canal, Panama

    Of course these are not the only important facts in our fall of Empire: to the canal- -when President Jimmy Carter opened the door to Chinese participation in operations and maintenance and warehousing in the Canal Zone. The Monroe Doctrine has been subsumed by big box stores filled with goods from China. This is how Sun Tzu expected China to dominate. Make stuff for the target country… Carter was the useful idiot of the moment. Sorry, Jimmy, you can never build enough bungalows to blot out the existential folly of giving up the Canal Zone for use by an adversarial power.

    The 2nd Amendment as applied by shopkeepers and restaurants seems to be at hand. The Flash Mob tactic shall be employed in many places simultaneously, using “Time On Target” methodology in a given downtown business district. Jezebel Hillary has already made the call to action.

    If Joe Biden or stand-in are the designated ones for the January 20 Inauguration, Sheriffs of 3000 US counties are natural framework enabling formation of well (regulated) trained civil militias, carrying arms in their daily affairs. In restaurants and shops and anyplace deemed necessary to a degree discouraging to anarchists. Where cartridge firearms are disallowed by mutual agreement of owners and patrons, uniformed or plain clothes security should be considered, use of paint marking device might be a means of identifying miscreants, along with video.

    Mobs are difficult to control, and if they become commonplace, a last option may be area containment and -conscription; into work gangs, maybe on loan to Cuba for on the job cane field experience. This is all surreal, like a former first lady calling for anarchy. One Worlders like the DNC, BDS crowd, and vaunted collection of computer oligarchs must realize their population (abortion) control goals come down to the same result. We, the proletariat masses, should realize that as well .

    A Spiritual branch of the deplorables understand Middle East events aimed at destroying Israel now in motion, shall soon make all other human activities a side show, with nuclear collaboration seen between Asian and Muslim powers. It was not so apparent how America stands in context of Deuteronomy 28 until Hillary’s seditious call to action. In Scripture ,we see an unlikely King Jehu raised up to remove evil Ahab and Jezebel. God’s man can be an ungodly man as we see in our time. America is at the Dt 28 v14/v15 divide. Follow the Jehu/Ahab/Jezebel saga Book 1 Kings 19 v1-7. Elijah anoints Ahab. Ahab and Jezebel are an evil pair analogous to Bill and Hil.. Jezebel ends in 2 Kings 9 v30-33. Expect a similar ignominious end for America’s Jezebel.

    See Elijah witnessing Transfiguration of Christ Matthew 17 v2; and so credentialed as a witness, Elijah is seen again in Revelation (last book in New Testament) Chapter 11 v3-V12. Note command to “Come up here” may indicate last roundup (Rapture) of Believers.

    Unbelievers can concern themselves with Famine Hedge, because events prophesized affect all. this writer has looked at whys and wherefores of needed railway enhancements for food distribution. Food distribution infrastructure security shall be priority assignment for the 3000 county militias (above 3rd paragraph) formed during the interregnum riots. Regardless of election outcome, weather events alone will steadily erode US food production; EMP will assure North American famine without robust railway matrix into farm districts and especially, Canadian Wheat Trust Provinces. See William Forstchen’s “ONE SECOND AFTER”

    • 100th Avatar September 11, 2020 at 12:52 pm #

      Where do you get your drugs?

      *asking for a friend

      • Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 1:16 pm #

        John Hagee is the main dealer now.

        • 100th Avatar September 11, 2020 at 2:03 pm #


          They don’t make evangelicals like they used to.

          They were in it for the money and the women… and the guys porking their women… as they watched.
          Some of that is respectable in its own way.

          They didn’t actually believe in their snake oil.
          True believers.
          The scariest.

    • Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 1:31 pm #

      The poisonous fruit of Darbyism on display.

    • malthuss September 11, 2020 at 6:37 pm #


  29. Robert White September 11, 2020 at 1:19 pm #

    Logically, all governments defeat themselves in the polls thereby rendering their politicians to position of opposition backbench for the next iteration of democratically elected government.

    All OECD governments want two terms to deliver their programming and ultimate mandate that screws their opposition planing long term so that each iteration that switches governing parties follows the shakedown of the masses so that they are feudal serfs losing ground each electoral round.

    The elite expect you to vote for either Democrat or Republican each electoral round, and the angrier you get the better it is for beer sales on election day.

    Politics used to be all about a turkey in every pot. Today you vote for saving White House turkeys every Thanksgiving instead of that turkey in every pot. Politicians figured out that they only had to pardon a turkey on Thanksgiving to get your vote.

    And instead of a turkey in every pot politics of yesteryear we have serial felon banks and politicians taking half the income you earn for taxes so that American taxpayers become the turkey that gets basted by the hegemonic rule of the politicians when they offshore their wealth transfer from your bank account or wallet via end user taxation on goods and services.

    It’s a big club and you ain’t in it.

    Wake up, governments fail intentionally for the next wave of interest in the next government administration.

    This is what separates the politicians from the great unwashed masses. They collectively tell you a story manufactured from a fairy tale and then you vote for the story on election day. Hamsters do the same thing on hamster wheels except the hamster does not expect a different result as the wheel turns whereas American taxpayers do expect a different result after about a couple of hundred years of voting the same hamsters into office.


  30. amb September 11, 2020 at 1:21 pm #

    Marxist/Globalists have successfully infiltrated our country via culture, education, media, entertainment, and government. This is the result of the lack of involvement and vigilance by the citizenry. (Ben Franklin’s supposed answer of, “You have a Republic madam, IF you can keep it.” is ringing in my ears.)

    This situation would require a massive uprising and extremely organized purging of this virus which has replicated and moved into every nook and cranny of our country. The citizenry is not capable of this. And, a corrupt institution is not capable of reforming itself–this can only be done by a powerful, neutral, external force that operates purely under the rule of law.

    I don’t envision the above happening. Not even a possibility. America is a candidate for history’s list of fallen empires (Egypt, Persia, Chaldea, Rome, England, et al).

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    • Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 1:30 pm #

      Yes, why did we wait until it had almost taken over to start fighting Anti-White racism? It’s been crushing Whites for generations now. It’s been been obvious to any free mind for just as long, but the mandarins denied it and their followers, dummies trying to look smart, followed them.

      The Systemic Racism is against Whites. Why can’t people see this as wrong – especially if they are White?

      Democracy was always a sham and the Founders rejected it. Very few people should be voting. You need to challenge yourself on this. Do the inner work. Life isn’t as you have imagined because individuals aren’t equal. And obviously, neither are the races.

      • 100th Avatar September 11, 2020 at 1:57 pm #

        neanderthal forebears were inhumanely -strike that- egregiously persecuted.

        To extinction but yet extant. in the code.
        What percentage are you 1, 2, 3?

        Could this explain European aggression, colonialism, tribalism, violence?

        My people did not land on tools forged of rock.
        They landed on us.

        • Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 2:15 pm #

          In other words, you’re for Whites being singled out and destroyed by Critical Race Theory.

          Thank you for your candor.

          • 100th Avatar September 11, 2020 at 2:31 pm #

            It’s Friday Janos, and like most schlubs I have a certain giddiness and playfulness that manifests itself on the run-up to the weekend.

            I’m toying.

            I have an acquired taste for irony and hypocrisy.

            I find it rather humorous that whites, a true minority if we’re so globally color-coded inclined, are the de-facto bogeyman.

            And this is all very human. The need for an easily identifiable scapegoat. That one thing.

            Nobody has the audacity to admit that human beings, all of them, have an infinite capacity for greed and violence.

            We are an unfinished product of a never-ending process.

          • hmuller September 11, 2020 at 6:24 pm #

            Yes Avatar, reparations for neanderthals is a cause whose time has come! I am part neanderthal and bemoan the lack of affirmative action in hiring and college admissions. You know we have bigger craniums, hence bigger brains. (Smaller penises, unfortunately) Those privileged cro-magnons are simply more violent and devious. That’s how they took over and hogged up all the privilege for themselves!

        • Rulo Deschamps September 12, 2020 at 9:30 pm #

          A minority indeed. After much digging the consensus seems to be whites are only 10-15% of the global population. It’s an interesting fact. One that doesn’t get mentioned too often and most people in this country don’t know.

  31. tlauria September 11, 2020 at 1:39 pm #

    “Why is Christopher Wray still director of the FBI? Why is Bruce Ohr still collecting a paycheck from the DOJ? Why is Eric Ciaramella still keeping a seat warm at the CIA? What exactly was US Attorney John Huber doing for two years? Why is Mark Esper still running the Pentagon? Why is General James Mattis not facing a military court of inquiry for proposing a coup against the president? Why is Federal Judge Emmet Sullivan still defying the DOJ’s motion to dismiss the case against General Flynn? Why is it taking years to resolve the legal issues around Julian Assange while he rots in jail?”

    All good questions, Jim.
    Answer: Because the good guys lost.
    Not ‘are losing’, or ‘will lose’.
    No. ‘Lost’.

    When is just academic.

    • beantownbill. September 11, 2020 at 2:18 pm #

      Disagree. The good guys are losing, but I haven’t seen the fat lady singing yet. Ultimately, you may well be right, but I’m not giving up until I hear her song.

      • tlauria September 11, 2020 at 5:39 pm #

        I want to be wrong but how does a corrupt system uncorrupt itself?

        There would have to be deep and widespread arrests and prosecutions and there aren’t enough prisons to hold all the transgressors.

        There has been systematic dismantling of the Constitution for over 100 years now.

        A benevolent dictatorship – an oxymoron if there ever was one – would have to undertake a 5 to 10 year plan and then return power to the people.

        It sounds like science fiction. Jim’s WMBH is way more likely.

    • darrell dullnig September 11, 2020 at 5:29 pm #

      “Nobody has the audacity to admit that human beings, all of them, have an infinite capacity for greed and violence” 100 Avatar

      Actually Avatar, I agree, and have said as much before, but I do not recall that anyone has replied. This is really the kernel of truth that explains all of what we are experiencing. It requires too much self examination, and very few are up to that experience.

  32. Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 2:14 pm #

    So you’re an Indian now? Or a Neanderthal? Careful Culo, look what happened to Krug.

    New York Times

    In the Medium essay, the writer said that she had eschewed her “lived experience as a white Jewish child in suburban Kansas City” and had assumed identities that she had no right to claim, such as “North African Blackness, then U.S.-rooted Blackness, then Caribbean-rooted Bronx Blackness.”

    An associate professor of history, Dr. Krug’s scholarly work included “Fugitive Modernities,” which examined the politics and cultures of fugitive slave communities in Angola and in the African diaspora. The book was a finalist in 2019 for two prestigious awards, the Harriet Tubman Prize and the Frederick Douglass Book Prize.

    SV: Check out her video pretending to be an ignorant Black woman raving about something or other on camera. Blacks are sickened at her racism. Liberals know what Blacks are really like, but it’s not easy to pretend to be someone else exactly. So the moral outrage on their part is partly ridiculous, but they’re right that she shouldn’t have pretended to be one of them.

  33. Mostly Disagreeable September 11, 2020 at 2:16 pm #

    What are you going to do about it?

    How about a general tax strike in 2021–local, state, and federal.

    • beantownbill. September 11, 2020 at 2:21 pm #

      Great idea, but how can it be organized so it’s effective?

      • Mostly Disagreeable September 11, 2020 at 2:54 pm #

        Given that the very notion would be suppressed by SM (e.g., look what has happened to the innocuous ArticlesofUnity on Twitter), derided and vilified by MSM, be viewed as “too rebellious” by the timid–though a much better path than urging people to buy guns–I admit I’m stumped. This is why suppression of free speech always precedes real rebellion, and we see suppression daily. Plus, I’ve only ever organized small vacations and trips to the grocery store.

  34. Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 2:44 pm #

    Now at the 11th hour and 59th minute, people are beginning to question the narrative and considering the plausability of conspiracy theories!

    Hopeless. Tests always have time limits. Americans took too long to get it. The Media’s anti-conspiracy campaign was a smashing success.

    Add to that the America was founded by Conspirators against the Throne. As Mencken said, No one ever went broke underestimating the American People.

    • beantownbill. September 11, 2020 at 2:49 pm #

      You’re way too pessimistic. You always quote spiritual stuff, yet you appear to have no faith in humanity at all. I suppose that’s just you.

      • SoftStarLight September 11, 2020 at 4:41 pm #

        But you are so optimistic about humanity that you missed that there were conspiracies round about you.

        • Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 5:31 pm #

          Touche. Nice counter thrust.

          • SoftStarLight September 12, 2020 at 2:10 pm #

            Thanks 🙂

        • beantownbill. September 11, 2020 at 6:09 pm #

          It’s outcomes that count, not conspiracies. That’s where my optimism comes from.

      • SoftStarLight September 11, 2020 at 4:45 pm #

        And I should clarify by saying conspiracies specifically working against our general interests as Americans, not to mention the things they have been doing in the open.

      • Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 5:35 pm #

        Spiritual means dying quietly without making much noise or hurting your tormentor?

        Not in my book. Read about how the Catholics of the Vendee fought against the French Revolution. They were being massacred wholesale: No guillotines just pack a barge and then sink it. Even Napoleon admired their bravery and military ability.

        I have faith that many of us will die bravely and that many of the opposing camp will live to regret the choices they made and the many friends and loved ones they have lost.

        • beantownbill. September 11, 2020 at 6:13 pm #

          But you said it was hopeless, above. Why even try if you are doomed to fail? That’s no more than suicide by another name. If you have hope, you fight. Suicide is for cowards.

          • Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 8:36 pm #

            About America the historic nation? That ended with mass immigration. Too slow (it was incredibly fast) for the dull witted normies to notice.

        • malthuss September 11, 2020 at 6:39 pm #

          who was brave? the killers or the catholics?

          • Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 8:37 pm #

            Don’t ever change, Asia.

    • Majella September 13, 2020 at 11:53 am #

      Pretty sure that was P.T.Barnum.

  35. Roundball Shaman September 11, 2020 at 3:39 pm #

    “When There are No Consequences for Anything”

    Sometimes – like today – the greatest consequences of all will result from the fact that there ARE NO consequences for anything. There will be Hell to pay, and that bar tab gets bigger and more grotesque by the hour.

    “Consequences” are for the so-called Little People, aka Regular Americans. Get one step above that bargain basement level in the American Caste System, and “consequences” are a big joke for those who commit various levels of crimes and misdeeds on an hourly basis while laughing all the way to the bank while doing those acts on the Taxpayer’s Dime.

    Corruption is not a flaw in today’s American System. Corruption IS THE HEART of today’s American System.

    “Who is trying to hustle the USA out of existence…?

    There are of course several active agents working to hustle the USA into oblivion. Like a despondent hospital patient, the USA has lost the will to live. It has given up on life, choosing now to enjoy its last breaths just before totally succumbing or by letting someone else to put it out of its misery. It’s a pathetically sad ending for a nation that began with a brilliant dream and bold bet and the crazy hope that we could keep The Dream going. The results are in and the scoreboard bears the sad result: We couldn’t, and we didn’t.

    The American Dream is dead, and we – along with lots of help from others along the way for many years – killed it. We refuse to see the lights in the fast approaching Freight Train directly in our path for what they are. Instead, we choose to argue over who is better to be at the wheel of our Sinking National Titanic while the icebergs all around continue tear our National Ship to bits and shreds.

    There are no rescue boats or rafts to save us. There are only dark icy waters below. And as we slowly sink into the deep, will we use our precious remaining moments to still argue over how evil Trump is or how dysfunctional Biden is?

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    • SoftStarLight September 11, 2020 at 3:59 pm #

      Or perhaps things are naturally morphing as they would given the existing system is thoroughly corrupt as you say. I agree that it is too. Is it possible our complex society will fragment into various states the way other dying societies did in the past? Perhaps the various fighting factions will form the basis for those states. Just a thought.

    • rainmaker September 11, 2020 at 4:47 pm #

      I believe that now it will be every man and woman for themselves. Our “betters” operate on that principle. As above, so below.

      • Kim September 11, 2020 at 10:11 pm #

        @ rainmaker

        Every man for himself? Sure, up to a point selfishness is sensible.

        But there will always be allies, people with overlapping interests. Make sensible alliances. Just don’t expect anything good from people who have proven time and gain that they hate you and will betray you.

    • SoftStarLight September 11, 2020 at 4:24 pm #

      Because people chose to believe that multicultural and multiracial societies could be successful despite all of the history and evidence to the contrary. Each Ethnicity needs its Ethnostate. Keep it simple.

  36. tom clark September 11, 2020 at 4:04 pm #

    My name is Donald J. Trump and I approve of this website.

    • Nightowl September 11, 2020 at 4:37 pm #

      TDS alert.

      • SoftStarLight September 11, 2020 at 4:43 pm #

        And TDS is so done now. Are they going to realize it isn’t 2018 anymore or are they lost altogether lol?

  37. KappaJoe September 11, 2020 at 4:14 pm #

    Fear not. Sooner or later, the table will be overturned and reset, as devolving circumstances are approaching fait accompli. America will start afresh (following a brief yet substantial nuclear exchange).

    • BackRowHeckler September 11, 2020 at 4:17 pm #

      With who?

      • Majella September 11, 2020 at 5:39 pm #

        North Korea. It’ll be one-way traffic though…Kim Jong-in will break Trump’s heart with a “Dear Donny”. Pow! See you later, Pyongyang…

        • beantownbill. September 11, 2020 at 6:16 pm #

          Such pessimism! C’mon Maj, offer us a little hope at least.

      • KappaJoe September 11, 2020 at 7:45 pm #

        Does it matter, with cheap energy gone, the financial system in the throes of collapse, the population economically locked down (eviscerated, more like), cities on fire, hired and volunteer numbskulls ‘protesting’ an endless litany of nonsense, and a political-media alliance working overtime to divide the country between majority sane realists and a highly vocal minority of ignorant buffoons being manipulated solely for attainment of self-serving political power?

        The US deep state could start the ball rolling, for reasons known only to them, directly or indirectly, and with a large enough nuclear exchange it will likely be impossible to determine how it started, much less who is directly responsible.

        Or, Russia or China could act preemptively (Bush the Younger doctrine style), fearing their own survival should the US fall into the usual warmonger hands yet again. Then there’s the rogue element, filled with religious or ideological fervor, just waiting to even the score, whatever that is.

        Once bombs start flying and the situation takes on critical mass, there will be no turning back until all scores are settled. Let us pray it never comes to that, but things would seem headed for some sort of definitive showdown. At the very least, the last 70 years of pax Americana has reached it’s end. It started with nuclear detonations and may well end the same way, though one might be led to grudgingly admire the symmetry of such an outcome.

  38. Goodwalkspoiled September 11, 2020 at 4:32 pm #

    The shenanigans haven’t even started. About one week prior to Nov. 3 the lefties will flood mailboxes in key battleground states with millions of Biden ballots. It won’t matter that they’re counterfeit. The Dems will convene state legislatures to declare all ballots with a postmark are valid. It will bring chaos as the left demands Biden’s coronation. And right on cue the media will fan the flames as cities burn.

    • Majella September 11, 2020 at 5:41 pm #

      Utter crap – full marks for imagination, though.

      • hmuller September 11, 2020 at 6:30 pm #

        Yeah, Democrat leaders would never condone rioting, arson, looting, and violence against whites, would they?!

        • Kim September 11, 2020 at 10:21 pm #

          An interesting article on how mass mail-in ballots are a great opportunity for mass ballot fraud.


          The weaknesses of VBM are plenty; via a retinue of logistical complications, it provides leverage for voter fraud, coercion, increased ballot rejection and decreased voter turnout of specific cohorts. Fully transitioning to VBM in six months for a presidential election will only increase these risks.


          VBM fraud can be achieved in numerous ways. Consider duplicate voting: In eastern regions with small states, voters need only drive a few hours to register in an additional state and ultimately receive two ballots in the mail. Double voting prospects are statistically ominous; a study published by APSR estimated that roughly one in every 4,000 votes cast in the 2012 presidential election was a duplicate.

          If the price of gas come November makes this trip undesirable, voters can instead employ false registration to obtain multiple ballots.

          A personal anecdote by journalist Margaret Menge points to the ease of falsely registering in Florida. In 2011, she applied three times using the names Hannah Arendt, Rebecca Bugle and her own, not providing a social security or driver’s license number on any of the applications, as they were not required. Weeks later, she received a voter information card for Hannah Arendt. With elections approaching in 2012, she called the County Supervisor of Elections office and was mailed an absentee ballot. It is curious that the applications for Rebecca Bugle and Margaret Menge did not elicit immediate consequences for Menge or spur an investigation. Thus, a person may send in multiple applications — as many as it takes — to achieve registration.

          This reveals a consequence of the Florida VBM system’s heavy reliance on inaccurate voter rolls, which often are not updated as necessary to remove the names of deceased citizens, felons, or non-citizens. But this issue plagues states across the country, further handicapping VBM integrity on a nationwide scale. For example, Colorado, which conducts its elections completely by mail, was among five states who received a warning from the Judicial Watch this January for failure to update voter rolls. Furthermore, the state supervisory administration has no way of determining if a person with a certain birth date exists — as exemplified in Margaret Menge’s account — because they lack a master list of citizens to cross-check.

          VBM is inarguably more susceptible to fraud, as both parties seemed to agree in the years preceding Trump. A 2005 commission led by former President Jimmy Carter (D) and James A. Baker III (R) concluded that mail-in ballots “remain the largest source of potential voter fraud.”


          VBM is open to coercion and mismanagement by political operatives during ballot harvesting excursions — when intermediaries collect and submit ballots on the voters’ behalf. The elderly and physically disabled are most at risk, both because of vulnerability to intimidation and because they are the largest cohort involved in absentee processes. The bipartisan National Election Defense Coalition recognizes ballot harvesting as a potential disadvantage of VBM in regular circumstances, and a primary reason for avoiding VBM elections. As of 2019, 13 states prohibit ballot harvesting by operatives, and for good reason.

          Higher error rates

          For a system that is advocated for its convenience, VBM has a notorious record concerning lost votes. Such votes are “lost” in the mailing schematic when:

          Mail ballots requested are greater than mail ballots received
          Mail ballots returned are less than mail ballots received
          Mail ballots counted are less than mail ballots returned
          In a study conducted by professor Charles Stewart III of MIT, VBM ballots had an estimated lost-vote rate of approximately 22% in the 2008 presidential election, compared to an overall (in-person and VBM ballots) lost-vote rate of 4% in the 2000 presidential election, in which relatively fewer VBM ballots were cast. Clearly, if 100% of voting had been through mail in 2000, the rate may have been scandalous.

          A Heritage Foundation dataset shows that across the U.S., nearly a fifth (19%) of all legally confirmed voter fraud since 1997 involves absentee voting, which is essentially the voluntary version of VBM. This is important because in the 2016 general election, mail ballots accounted for less than 24% of the total ballots cast. Combining the prospective lost vote rate based on the above calculations and the legally confirmed voter fraud rate, a move to 100% VBM in November would undoubtedly result in less integrity per vote than in-person voting.

          These estimations, while not perfect, are representative and nontrivial enough to raise serious worries about a purely VBM presidential election. The schematic by itself testifies to the multi-step, high-risk pipeline for a mail ballot.

          Lower turnout of minorities; higher turnout of partisans

          Many VBM supporters assert that because voters need not leave their domicile, overall turnout is increased. Research on this topic is inconclusive, and is representative of individual states only — notably Oregon and Colorado — who have had decades of experience with VBM en masse. The increased turnout claim is further weakened not only because the combined effects of moderately increased turnout, increased fraud and vote loss cancel at best, but because VBM has been shown to favor affluent cohorts and partisans.

          With VBM, a postal worker is given a high responsibility, and will encounter difficulty in impoverished, minority-dominated urban communities where the population is more nomadic. As Teresa James and Micheal Slater of Project Vote explain, “First class mail, as its name might imply, does not treat everyone equally. In fact, it discriminates against low-income communities and dense urban areas where residents move more frequently and not every adult shares the same family name. This bias is codified in the U.S.P.S. Domestic Mail Manual, which provides that if ‘the addressee of certain mail is unknown to the delivery employee, the mail may be withheld pending identification of the claimant.’”

          Focusing again on Oregon, MIT political scientist Adam Berinsky argues that “VBM in Oregon accentuated the stratification of the electorate … VBM mobilized those already predisposed to vote — those individuals who are … registered partisans — to turn out at higher rates than before.” Therefore, non-habitual, traditional voters, who with a full transition to VBM face a novel set of election materials, will likely be less motivated to participate.

          Further complications

          To determine the appropriate language for each household in 2020, the U.S. Census Bureau mailed multilingual inserts, with invitations in 12 non-English languages to verify their preferred language by phone or online. It is easy to imagine yet another batch of “lost” mail ballots this November due to oblivious practices, mail theft, or failure to complete a similar procedure.

          Additionally, the mail-ballot pipeline poses an innate risk far greater than the algorithmic hardware within voting terminals. Skeptics of this claim are tasked with proving that postal workers, political operatives, election officials, scanners, tabulating machines and personnel are more reliable than a script of code.

          If in 2008 in-person voters were told by their respective supervisory committees that their terminal input had a 10% chance of defecting, there would have been national outcry. Yet VBM has been shown to pose a greater threat to legitimacy, yet there is little concern among mainstream media.

          For those who point to health concerns, the risks of venturing to poll booths will not be sufficient this autumn to justify a gamble with VBM that endangers the national election process. Many individuals in the U.S. venture to essential institutions every day, accepting the risks involved because survival mandates that they do. They wear protective gear and complete their various tasks. Highly frequented areas are regularly cleaned.

          This is an example of practical adaptation to a crisis, because the fundamental mechanisms by which essential services are offered were not changed. Instead of utilizing Congress’s $400 million aid package to completely overhaul the traditional voting method, the arguably essential services polling areas provide should be practically revised by states to fit the circumstances.

          Excluding those with health conditions and the elderly, a legitimate 2020 election requires that able citizens present themselves to vote as they regularly do. This comes with unavoidable risk, and must be taken when the stakes concern the presidency — that may be, as in the past, decided by mere hundreds of votes. People should undoubtedly be vigorously admonished to exercise hygienic discretion in regard for others’ health. Sad is the day, however, when governments forgo their trust in their constituents to implement even these simple practices, on one of the few occasions they can directly influence the course of the nation.

          A pure VBM election would cause controversy beyond imagination, weakening the fabric of America’s voting system and launching fruitless investigations at the cost of taxpayer dollars. This is because Americans do not have the confidence in VBM that is requisite for its legitimacy. Stanford computer science professor David Dill put it aptly: “Ultimately, [the] debate is about public confidence in our system. The real job of an election is not to convince the winners that they won, which is often easy, but to convince the losers that they lost.” Americans inherently do not trust VBM — the 2008 Survey of the Performance of American Elections found that only 16% of Americans supported laws that would require all votes be cast by mail. Twelve years of full-fledged technological advancement later, it is doubtful this opposition — controlling for virus concerns — has moderated.

          • Sredni Vashtar September 12, 2020 at 1:09 pm #

            The Heritage Foundation is headed by a light skinned Black Woman who supports Black Lives Matter.

            What if the woman had called herself Adolf Hitler? Would that have gotten their attention. Or is it all “automated”? Or do the machines also know about Hitler?

  39. sevensec September 11, 2020 at 4:33 pm #

    JHK saves the desperately critical question for the very end: “what are you going to do to stop them”?

    I see lots of *commentary* on what to do about it *online*, lots of grumbling and even strategizing, but virtually no resistance or even concerted activity *in real life*.

    Could it be that society has already been so thoroughly co-opted by the gilded cage of the Internet and other “information” technologies, that people have forgotten not only how to act like freedom-defending citizens, but even how to form any type of associations that don’t require a high-bandwidth modem and a 6-core CPU?

    (de Tocqueville once marvelled at the penchant of Americans spontaneously to form associations and committees to address whatever problems might arise in their communities. People would jump up to volunteer, nominate, congregate–and things would get done, whether it was building a new bridge or raising a militia. No longer, it seems–unless you are on the Left and have approval from BLM and other shadow-fronts of the DNC

    …Or is it that are we already aware, on some level, that the freedom to associate and the freedom to oppose anything labeled “progressive” has already itself become completely *virtual*?

    (One can read Christopher Caldwell’s latest book to understand how the First Amendment guarantee of freedom of association has already been quietly eviscerated, beginning nearly 60 years ago.)

    …Or has the all-absorbing luxury of modern life and the ubiquitous, endless inculcation of “sensitivity”, “inclusion”, “acceptance” and “tolerance” as the highest imaginable virtues finally given rise a population of perfect Last-Men, so fearful of any discomfort or disapproval that they dare not appear in pubic to fight for *any* cause other than state-approved depravity?

    If any of the above are the case, there is no point caring whether Trump wins or loses: for our freedom is already virtual, while our enslavement is as real as it gets.

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    • beantownbill. September 11, 2020 at 6:20 pm #

      Good comment.

      • sevensec September 13, 2020 at 12:08 am #

        Thanks Bill–

    • Night Owl September 12, 2020 at 4:09 am #

      To combat problems, the public must first be aware of them.

      The most dangerous development in the modern era is the degree to which our media is now controlled. The problem is global. I read the same Fake News in Germany that I see on CNN, only the delivery is dry and free of hyperbole.

      This is why, back home, Trump is letting so many things spiral out of control (accountability for corruption, the riots, etc.)People must SEE and understand what is happening.

      I don’t see the Internet as a “gilded cage” but rather a last bastion of free exchange, although the beast system is tightening its grip.

      • sevensec September 13, 2020 at 12:07 am #

        I agree that the Internet is not “all cage, all the time”–there are certainly liberating aspects. The sheer amount of information passing over it, for instance, makes it almost impossible to censor even a majority of the traffic, especially if you use precautions like encryption/onion routing etc.

        Still, I don’t subscribe to the common notion that “all technology is neutral”–even if there are plusses and minuses, the minuses of a given tech can very well win the day.

        I think the Internet is one case of that, at this point: it gives us useful information and quickly, but huge amounts of that turn out to be “fake news” or hopelessly skewed. And while it promised to reinvigorate society, citizenship and debate, I find that mostly it has simply *deconstructed* them, to the point that hardly anyone remembers how to put these things back together.

        And yes, it does bug me that I am having to make this case *via the internet itself*

        • Night Owl September 13, 2020 at 10:17 am #

          All tech. is definitely not neutral!

  40. BackRowHeckler September 11, 2020 at 4:36 pm #

    Kappa Joe more shots fired at the China/India border today in the Himalayas. Perhaps that’s where your nuclear exchange will be.

    Then again, company of PLA soldiers spotted carrying machetes and long spears so maybe the combat will be more primitive.

    The longbow was abandoned by the English as a weapon of war in 1595 per order of Queen Elizabeth, but still, in the English Civil War, a Regiment of Royalist soldiers deployed the longbow (1644) In WW1 a some British Officers brought longbows to the western front, and before the Battle of Loos would send arrows toward German lines, arcing them like mortar shells into German trenches. There was one confirmed casualty, 500 years after the first longbow casualty at nearby Aguincourt.


    • Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 5:37 pm #

      St George appeared at one point. The arrows probably invoked him.

    • BackRowHeckler September 11, 2020 at 5:50 pm #

      The report of Chinese soldiers approaching the border brandishing spears and machetes is an intriguing one. I’m trying to comprehend what the reason would be; perhaps it was a punishment brigade sent out as a provocation, to serve as Cannon fodder, order them to approach dug in Indians, and when the Indians wipe them out, claim they were just a labor brigade. The last time I heard of combat using spears and machetes is when Somali Tribesmen had at each other in a sort of African tribal civil war blood battle on the streets of Portland, Maine.


    • BackRowHeckler September 11, 2020 at 6:18 pm #

      Yup, photos from yesterday showing PLA soldiers with spears and machetes. This could get ugly real fast. Watching news out of India, they’re pretty confident they would prevail in any general war with China. With a combined population of nearly 3 billion there is plenty of manpower to go around. Both sides are armed with tactical nukes, too What’s it all about? Not sure, but just maybe to see who’s the baddest dude on the block, the block in this case being the Middle Kingdom. India has those new AK203 rifles and quite possibly may want to try them out, you know, like when you by a new gun for yourself and can’t wait to shoot it.


      • beantownbill. September 11, 2020 at 6:27 pm #

        Given the physics of air currents, the effects of a nuclear exchange in Asia would eventually make its way over here, to our detriment. Hopefully, such an exchange would totally scare the shit out of both countries to such an extent that said exchange would be limited to just a few nukes. Of course, one cannot underestimate the blindness and stupidity of some people.

        • John1945 September 11, 2020 at 6:50 pm #

          What is the big deal ?
          A young fit cat signs for SADM
          Jumps from the Chinook
          Blows something up.
          Watches the beautiful mushroom.
          Returns to base.

          SADM Delivery By Parachutist/Swimmer (Special Atomic Demolition Munition)


        • BackRowHeckler September 11, 2020 at 6:53 pm #

          Hopefully nukes would be a last resort Bill.

          Altho, watching news out of New Delhi, I’m a little surprised at how bellicose the Indians can be. Combat in the Himalayas tops India news, hardly gets a mention in China news.


  41. snagglepuss September 11, 2020 at 4:38 pm #

    In no way is this comment meant to be judgmental given the current state of affairs in my own country. Canada will not be saved until Justin Trudeau is removed from office.
    But if I were an American I would just be seething at the multiple double crosses, lies and especially how bold some of these people in positions of authority have behaved. The only other party worthy of even more contempt is the media who have completely failed the American public in their duty to present the truth. Like Trump or not, ( and I do) I really hope he is going to land a giant, deadly volley back at all the people responsible. I used to think Obama was inspiring. Not any more. He’s worse than any President in history.

  42. Rain Waters September 11, 2020 at 4:47 pm #

    In Southern Oregon there are THOUSANDS of people without housing as of three days ago. There is NOWHERE to rent and if one lucks out the monthly payment is astronomical. Mom and dads spare room was filled years ago and any space in the yard or out front on the street was spoken for by last April. One tiny spark from a passing car on I5 southbound and the entire facade is no more. One tiny spark we are all from the next bardo. Reno is CONSTANT smoke with only 3 clear days here since 2 August. So much for my great escape.

  43. EnterpriseSpaceship September 11, 2020 at 5:13 pm #

    Who is trying to hustle the USA [ and our civilisation ] out of existence and what are you going to do to stop them?

    It is Thermodynamics!

    Shipping finite Energy supplies all the way to the US from as far as Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, etc day-in day-out – burns a great deal of those supplies in the transportation process – to waste…

    Sooner or later, North America will be left enjoying what Energy supplies remaining locally in North America – by Physics.

    When it comes to Thermodynamics, it is better for humans not to fight it, but rather understand and live with it – and that is the best of what they can do – anytime, everywhere.

    Humans remain primitive, or they didn’t need to burn millions of years in the-making, one-off fossil fuels reserves in just 300 years – only to realise:

    “Energy, like time, flows from past to future”

    Our civilisation has tricked the US all along, letting it playing the role of a Super Power – but illusion it to sacrifice its vast forests, coal, oil and natural gas – in executing that Super-Power…

    Thermodynamics won!

    Well, at least when fossil fuels deplete entirely, the natural, non-rigged Future comes back to the US, likely earlier than many others – and that’s the greatest victory for America and mankind.

    • beantownbill. September 11, 2020 at 6:32 pm #

      Thermodynamically speaking, long before fossil fuels run out, the Earth will be heated to such an extent from human activity that life on Earth will become problematical.

      • EnterpriseSpaceship September 11, 2020 at 7:04 pm #

        The rhythm of change in 2020 is much faster than when the time comes and Earth will be sizzling hotter…

        Earth never was air-conditioned, and will never be…

        It is fossil fuels traded cheaper than bottled water under the supply-and-demand doctrine what has made humans think if their climate exceeds the set up of their air-condition’s thermostat in the living room – then something wrong!

        Now fossil fuels are almost out – Welcome back to the non-air-conditioned Earth.

        (Caltech analysis on if all recoverable fossil fuels are burned at once, how that impacts climate – David Rutledge – 2013 )

  44. tom clark September 11, 2020 at 5:14 pm #

    TDS has taken me over for sure. Charlie Krauthammer, where are ye when we need ye? Nappy time…buh-bye!

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    • Nightowl September 11, 2020 at 5:34 pm #

      Charles Krauthammer ran over a cyclist around the corner from me when I lived in DC.

      He then fled the scene.

      A fine, upstanding individual.

      • Majella September 11, 2020 at 5:50 pm #

        So, as you know this for a fact, he must have been charged and tried right? Care to point to the evidence? My low IQ googling skills have failed me.

        • Night Owl September 11, 2020 at 6:12 pm #

          Gawker covered it. Scrubbed from the Internet. Settled out of court. Was a big deal in DC, and everyone knew about it. I rode by the scene on my way home from work.

          • Majella September 12, 2020 at 11:01 pm #

            Gawker wasn’t even ‘faux’ journalism – hell, it wasn’t even ‘gutter’ journalism. Denton got his just desserts.

          • Night Owl September 13, 2020 at 9:46 am #

            Nah, it was a mixed bag. They covered lots of stories others wouldn’t. Particularly local stories about shithead neocons running over cyclists.

        • Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 6:25 pm #


          Most of these Abo media personalities are indistinguishable from low class Irish or Bogans.

          Might not a similar situation pertain in New Zealand with the supposed “Maori” being impersonated by Bogans or the English equivalent?

          Since it’s so terrible to be White, many Boganish women start fantasizing about not being White, but rather noble Indigenous Pocs.

  45. Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 6:18 pm #


    Prepare for the Hunkering. This and the coming massive riots should finish off the independent middle class for good.

    • beantownbill. September 11, 2020 at 6:34 pm #

      We can start threatening our misbehaving children by hunkering them.

  46. beantownbill. September 11, 2020 at 6:37 pm #

    Although we’ve been hunkering miscreants for decades and that doesn’t seem to deter them. Maybe we need to employ extreme hunkering, not the pussyfooting solitary confinement.

    • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 10:49 am #

      Perhaps deep cranial 9mm treatment.

      • beantownbill. September 12, 2020 at 11:19 am #

        Sure, and you get a bonus by operating on them afterwards.

      • Majella September 12, 2020 at 11:12 pm #

        “Primum non nocere”?

  47. RocketDoc September 11, 2020 at 6:54 pm #

    To answer JHK, the question of “what is to be done” is an old one. “I have no gift to set a statesman right. He has had enough of meddling who can please, a young girl in the indolence of her youth or an old man upon a winter’s night”. So I talk to young people. We are in flyover country and these young people do not expect much from my elderly wisdom. I had lunch at the tennis club and asked the waitress whether she thought the 9/11 story was true. No, and neither did the bartender or the cook or the table 6′ over. What CAN we do about this sad state of affairs? They don’t believe the government about anything and yet our town benefits mightily from all the DOD contracts and Army expenditures.

    I could load them up with all the malfeasance but they already know (or suspect). None are planning to vote. I don’t recommend they go pull down a Confederate soldier statue but what could we tell them to do? Everyone seems to be waiting for….Godot?, Clarity?, An edict?. our mayor was just re-elected Aug25th and has plans, big plans. We’ll see how long the unsustainable can unfold.

    • elysianfield September 12, 2020 at 11:29 am #

      “…I had lunch at the tennis club”

      …The Tennis Club? Well, EXCUUUSE ME!

      ” Everyone seems to be waiting for….?”

      They/we are waiting for a “man on a white horse”…Or a man on a Balcony addressing thousands of right-thinking men, or…or

      Our Host, and I, will put our money on the man on the balcony….

      • beantownbill. September 12, 2020 at 1:24 pm #

        Reminds me of an old joke:

        Once there was a guy named Harry. Harry seemed to know everyone and everyone knew Harry. One day, Harry decided to visit the Vatican.

        At that time, something was going on there, and a half million people were standing and looking at the balcony. Then The Pope and Harry appeared together on the balcony. A great cheer went up. One guy turns to another and says, “Hey , there’s Harry, but who’s the guy in the beanie standing next to him?”

        • Sredni Vashtar September 12, 2020 at 3:22 pm #

          Harry the Greek?

  48. JohnAZ September 11, 2020 at 7:04 pm #

    Carter and Trump both underestimated the power of the Deep State and were totally dominated by it.

  49. elysianfield September 11, 2020 at 7:22 pm #

    What is to be done? What are you prepared to do to save the Republic?

    Read History.

    There must have been many, many cultures that had become a bit long in the tooth, and beset with dysfunction and corruption, and then bootstrapped themselves back to their earlier glory without the expected anarchy and blood. Let’s begin by making a list;


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    • John1945 September 11, 2020 at 7:55 pm #

      =bootstrapped themselves back to their earlier glory=

      No.It is one-way street.

      Polybius studied political processes in depth and came up with the theory of “anacyclosis”

      Polybius’ sequence of anacyclosis proceeds in the following order: 1. monarchy, 2. kingship, 3. tyranny, 4. aristocracy, 5. oligarchy, 6. democracy, and 7. ochlocracy.

      Democracy degenerates into Ochlocracy, literally, “mob-rule”. In an Ochlocracy, according to Polybius, the People of the State will become corrupted, and will develop a Sense of Entitlement and will be conditioned to accept the pandering of Demagogues.

      Eventually, the State will be engulfed in Chaos, and the competing claims of Demagogues will culminate in a single (sometimes virtuous) Demagogue claiming absolute power, bringing the State full-circle back to Monarchy.

    • Kim September 11, 2020 at 10:51 pm #

      @ elysianfield

      Ha ha.

  50. PeteAtomic September 11, 2020 at 7:31 pm #

    Much of this reminds me of some fuckery that occurred during ancient Rome, or maybe during Russia under Ivan the Terrible.. or any other time a bloated bureaucracy of an empire went at war with itself.

    I’m amazed the banks & wall street & all other financial institutions in the country haven’t tanked yet. Has MMT worked? Is it too early to tell? How long can an economy exist– and by existing I mean, “stuff” being made & food being harvested– with an economy only operating on Mondays and Fridays? I don’t rationally see how all of this constructed, complicated society which comprises the US can continue. It’s like we’re passing into a full fledged collective dream state. I don’t know.

  51. PeteAtomic September 11, 2020 at 7:39 pm #

    One of the things I’ve thought about is an entropic decline by gradualism.

    One thing that they didn’t have much of in the ancient world was insurance. The Roman Army had burial insurance which soldiers collectively paid into to pay for the funerals of their fellow comrades, but the normal Roman didn’t have an Allstate or Farmer’s Insurance company to call if their ship full of wine casks went down on the Adriatic Sea.

    One thing we may see is a gradual decline in insurance able to covering catastrophic man made or natural disasters. In a way, that happened to Minneapolis, post-rioting. But, the real tests are what is happening right now with the terrible fires out in the western US, or when more hurricanes slam the coasts.

    So, areas of the country may simply remain in their destroyed or decayed state, with little or no rebuilding. Neither governments on the state, local or federal level won’t be able to help, nor insurance companies.

    • BackRowHeckler September 11, 2020 at 8:52 pm #

      Hartford never really recovered from the riots of 1968, in fact the city has grown progressively worse. For example, large grocery stores were looted and burned; they have never been rebuilt. It took decades to remove the rubble from half destroyed buildings; where they stood is now vacant, garbage strewn lots.

      Pete, have you been to Minniapolis since the riots. If so, what condition is the city in?


      • PeteAtomic September 13, 2020 at 12:00 am #

        nope, haven’t been down there for over a year.

        I do know that the streets that have been looted heavily over the past few months were very busy commercial areas. From the pics I’ve seen, that’s no longer true. Further they happened in the more “diverse” parts of town there, so less choice going forward for the much more melanated in shopping choices. Many of the darker demographic is dependent on buses– so they’ll have to bus further to other parts of Minneapolis there to get all their stuff.

    • Kim September 11, 2020 at 10:50 pm #

      @ PeteAtomic

      Very much this.

      Architects should get to work on this right away. Like pre-stressed jeans, they should design buildings with a pre-decayed look because the New Decay is going to be the New Brutalism or the new Classicism.

      That way, the real decay won’t be so noticeable. Then who needs maintenance or urban renewal?

  52. PeteAtomic September 11, 2020 at 7:47 pm #

    How long will the US public accept overseas wars, that make no sense to US national security?

    I see that Trump just helped broker Bahrain accepting Israel. Another historic step. The US is leaving Iraq & Afghanistan. Peace appears to be breaking out in the Middle East. Will we finally see a serious and long lasting peace deal between Israel & the Palestinians?
    Who would that NOT benefit? well, Hamas & Hezbollah for one..the Iranians..

    • Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 8:39 pm #

      Tuckers says Biden/Harris intend to invade Syria.

      • BackRowHeckler September 11, 2020 at 9:02 pm #

        Geriatric Joe is not my idea of a dynamic wartime leader.

        • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 10:50 am #

          But the people behind the puppet are war mongers. Always have been.

          • JohnAZ September 12, 2020 at 11:37 am #

            These people want federal control of the country. What better way than sending all the young males off to war somewhere.

            The US really has no rallying cry to stay unified. In our history, war has been used to rally the country, to stop the division we are seeing today with Antifa and BLM. Every twenty years.

      • Night Owl September 12, 2020 at 4:00 am #

        Well that would be logical, considering Clinton wanted to set up a no-fly zone to stop the Russians from destroying Obama’s proxy army of fanatics (ISIS).

        Another example of Trump foiling the war machine’s servants.

  53. Sredni Vashtar September 11, 2020 at 9:06 pm #


    One has to choose a side. Gaige Grosskreutz or Kyle Rittenhouse. Click on and take a look. Grosskreutz said he only brought the gun to the protest (riot) to protect people – yet he was charging Rittenhouse with his gun drawn. When Rittenhouse got the drop on him, he raised his hands for a second – and Rittenouse did nothing – and then came in again to engage, seemingly trying to grab Rittenhouse’s rifle. That’s when Rittenouse shot him.

    The article, the media, and the entire system is on Grosskreutz’s side. Yet he is in the wrong. Rittenouse is charged with murder yet Grosskreutz is charged with nothing.

    • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 11:26 am #

      Complete loss of rule of law and sanity. Yet another example of what JHK was saying above. Anyone, with a knowledge of recent 20th Century history AND (no soys) actual experience in a war (e.g. Bosnia), try to tell me why we’re not directly headed into CW2 in the US.

      • Rulo Deschamps September 12, 2020 at 10:03 pm #

        I’ve been in that area. Shortly after the war in the 90’s. One side of my family were originally from there. I read about your experience there in the comments a while ago. I also think Balkanization is possible here. My folks were partisans with Tito long ago. Tito was the only thing maintaining Yugoslavia glued together.

        • Q. Shtik September 12, 2020 at 10:23 pm #

          Tito was the only thing maintaining Yugoslavia glued together. – Rulo Des


          Eventually he started making a high end Vodka, didn’t he?

  54. tom clark September 11, 2020 at 10:12 pm #

    I love conspiracy theories. The key word here is “theories”. Whatever turns your crank. Anyone on this site believe in the “theory” of evolution? The world is 2000 years old, not a second more or less! I decree it and it is so. .Get it up, get it in, get it on, get it off, get it out. Easy peasy.

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    • Kim September 11, 2020 at 10:29 pm #

      There are a lot of very reasonable questions asked about the theory of evolution.

      For example, where are the fossils of transitional species? By the theory’s own logic, there should be vastly more fossils of transtional species than there are of “ultimate” species (the bones that are found). So where are they? Why have none ever been found?

      Another excellent question is why would evolution preserve non-functional mid-transformation features?

      For example, if (to fantasize) the flipper of an aquatic animal were over a very long period of time to evolve into the form of an arm of leg, allowing that animal to live on dry land, then there must have been a very extended intermediate period when said limb was neither fin nor leg and was entirely without any function. In fact, it would have been a probably counterproductive appendage.

      Given that, why would it have been preserved by the evolving organism?

      Have you ever considered these issues?

      • beantownbill. September 11, 2020 at 11:40 pm #

        You don’t, I think, understand evolution very well. Who says intermediate forms have to last a long time? Who says intermediate forms are necessarily non-functional?

        Once a mutation occurs it will stay unless it is detrimental to the survival of the organism. If it is, the organism dies off. If the mutation is not detrimental or is neutral, it stays until eventually being replaced by a more effective (for survival) mutation. A case for this is the human appendix. Scientists theorize it’s usefulness, but they don’t really know if it has any. We do know people seem to function just fine without one, yet it hasn’t yet evolved away. There’s other body parts that aren’t real effective and will eventually be evolved out.

        • Sredni Vashtar September 12, 2020 at 12:01 am #

          Most mutations are garbage and hurt the individual creature. And even if helpful, who says they could easily be passed on into the species? Females naturally reject freakiness in their suitors or even their offspring. And on a genetic level too there may be problems in passing the mutation along even if the mutant does manage to mate. Maybe the mutants are females, males being less discriminatory?

          Given the limits of the paradigm that Kim has described, the need for helpful mutations comes to the fore. But according to probability theory there just hasn’t been enough time for them to happen in random fashion, yet happen they have. Ergo, these mutations and evolution itself is guided by a Higher Power.

        • Kim September 12, 2020 at 5:59 am #

          @ beantownhill

          “who says intermediate forms have to last a long time”

          1. the evolutionary story is always explained as playing out over 100s of millions of years

          2. some transitions may taken greater or lesser times but certainly some will take greater amounts of time. But the lengths of time are often measured in epochs.

          3. we do not see creatures carrying around redundant mutations. anything potentially redundant or useless is always explained as having evolutionary advantages.

          4. the example I use of non-functional transitional forms is an argument that goes back 160 years and was first mooted by Darwin himself. See Darwin and the development if the eye for discussion of this.

          5. As I said, the argument of evolution implies itself that transitional forms must be abundant in the fossil record. But they are non-existent.

          How can I make these points any plainer? They are all well known points of discussion in the field.

          You are taking issue here not with me and my opinion or knowledge, but with 160 years of rigorous debate, which I merely point to.

          • JohnAZ September 12, 2020 at 10:49 am #

            Couple of points

            The fossil record is spotty. The requirements for fossilizing organic material or stringent. We are looking at probably less than 1% of the life forms have been found. Stories abound about the environments that contain these animals and plants, none of which have reached beyond being a theory. Another problem is discontinuities in the rocks, caused by long periods of erosion. For example, the top of the Grand Canyon Are rocks from before the dinosaur time, this rest eroded away.

            A few examples of complete evolutionary change of a species do exist. One is the horse, Eohippus, Mesohippus and Modern horses are all in the record.

            Envision trying to describe the Modern world by taking pictures of less than one percent of the world.

            Especially when Hollywood gets involved.

          • JohnAZ September 12, 2020 at 11:25 am #

            One more

            Mark and Scott Kelley ran an experiment two years ago.

            One went in space for and extended period, one stayed on Earth. Both had their DNA analyzed before and after. They are identical twins, their DNA before was identical

            Not afterward, the space twin had changed his DNA in ways that were affected by weightlessness and other space impacts.

            This man’s DNA changed in response to the environment inside one generation. The DNA learned and adapted!!!

            If evolutionary change can happen that way, it shows how environmental change may induce DNA change. Could it be that DNA change inside a single generation is then passed on to the next generation? Could it be that DNA is constantly changing, learning and adapting to a changing environment? Ready for this? Could it be that climate change like we are witnessing right now is going to force our DNA to change quickly to adapt to the changes? Or go extinct?

            A fluid changing DNA that responds quickly to environmental changes allows rapid changes. It also says that species changes occur quickly in response to quickly changing environments. Ie catastrophes breed species extinction or change.

            One question I ask is when a major extinction takes place, and I believe that five have taken place and 90% of the life forms are eradicated, what forms the base for the next group of life forms. Does life begin as hidden single cell organisms or as isolated colonies of survivors. The survival of mammals from the most recent extinction event is a good indicator of the latter idea. Is this the reason intermediary life forms do not show up, because there aren’t any?

            A learning DNA indicates a responsive learning process, an intelligence involved with DNA might be a universal intelligence.

            Hmmm! Is DNA an expression of what we identify as a God Force?

          • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 11:31 am #

            Multiple well done studies, but of course some of you don’t believe in actual science, medicine, etc, have shown that environmental experiences, esp of an adverse nature (i.e. abuse) in the first 4-8 years of life, results in DNA/RNA changes that are permanent. Mainly in the form of a genetic diathesis for certain disease processes. RNA/DNA is clearly mutable in real time.

          • JohnAZ September 12, 2020 at 12:00 pm #

            My point though is that the changes may be partially not chaotic, but learned.

          • beantownbill. September 12, 2020 at 12:24 pm #

            You are correct in one thing: I should not have taken issue with you personally, and for that, I apologize.

            Concerning the eye, some worms (I think they were worms) have had photo-sensitive cells on their surfaces, which are proto-eyes, so in fact, evolution has produced functioning Intermediate forms of the eye. When Jehovah Witnesses used to ring my doorbell they used the eye issue to disclaim evolution. I guess Darwin wasn’t aware of this when he first proposed his theory, or if so, discounted it.

            If mutations play out over 100’s of millions of years, please explain human evolution over the last few million years. Cro-Magnons have only been around for 75,000 years, more or less.

            Most mutations are disadvantageous, so I wouldn’t expect there to be many of them in the fossil records. As an unfortunate example for me, my sister recently died of leukemia caused by a mutation in her bone marrow. The mutation causes the harmful effects almost immediately. My sister had the leukemia for 4 years, so it was created and was in existence for only that relatively short time period. It most likely arose from a negative environmental effect or from misfunctioning due to age.

            The point is that her form was somewhat rare, and in the far future, when old bones are dug up for examination by another species, what with billions of humans having lived and died, chances are that particular disease may not even be uncovered or rarely so. Obviously, many mutations probably haven’t come up much in the fossil records, but they are there. New dinosaur mutations are always being discovered to this day.

          • Sredni Vashtar September 12, 2020 at 1:16 pm #

            Interesting stuff, John. Way back when, Alfred Russell Wallace argued that individual adaptations could somehow be passed on to offspring. But since he didn’t know about the genetic mechanics, it just sounded like Bergsonian moonshine and Darwin’s “Newtonian” outlook took the day.

        • Majella September 12, 2020 at 11:23 pm #

          Wisdom teeth being an example, beantown.

          Around half of us have the full complement still, but about 20-25% of the human population is born with between 1 to 3 wisdom teeth, and 35% is born without any wisdom teeth at all.

      • Majella September 12, 2020 at 11:18 pm #

        “Have you ever considered such issues?


        Read “Climbing Mount Improbable” for your answers.


  55. BornToKillPeace September 11, 2020 at 11:19 pm #

    I’m trying to look on the bright side.

    At least if I die in a war it will be on my own country’s soil…

    • BornToKillPeace September 11, 2020 at 11:25 pm #

      *Joking – this sh*t is f**k*d.

      • Sredni Vashtar September 12, 2020 at 1:19 pm #

        I think that’s a valid point. Don’t you want your death to be meaningful? Isn’t it better to burn out than fade away? A Blaze of Glory! A vivid Sunset – or is it a mortar shell? Suddenly you’re floating thru mist. When the mist clears you see beautiful fields. The women you loved the best is coming towards you in a long white dress, her hands cupping the sheaves of wheat as she comes.

        • beantownbill. September 12, 2020 at 1:40 pm #

          Why you old idealist, you.

  56. tom clark September 11, 2020 at 11:48 pm #

    Kim…actually, I have thought about the issues you raised and I’ve thought about them very deeply. You’ve been censored by JHK in the past, so watch yourself. Evolution is not a perfect “theory”. That’s why it’s a theory. Why would evolution preserve non-functional and midtransformation features? Simple…HUMANS! A belief in evolution involves acceptance of a lot of failures, and sorry to say, we are the latest despite what anyone thinks. I’m a mean, tough sumbitch. Just ask my wife. TC

    • beantownbill. September 12, 2020 at 12:17 am #

      To be more accurate, evolution has proven itself many times, so it’s not a theory, it’s a fact. When Darwin first proposed it, it was a theory. We call Einstein’s work the theory of relativity, but that too was only when it was unproven by the world at large. The proper nomenclature is to just call it “relativity” because it has been proven over and over again.

      But just because a so-called scientific theory has been proven, doesn’t mean it is complete. New facts often come to light that modifies the principle. That doesn’t invalidate it though. That’s the beauty of science.
      I believe the confusion between theory and principle has misled the layman into erroneous thinking.

      • Kim September 12, 2020 at 6:02 am #

        Uh, no, it’s theory. And it has lots of doubtful stuff attached.

        You might like to read up on it.

        • beantownbill. September 12, 2020 at 12:30 pm #

          Sorry, I still stand by my comment. And if there’s still doubt, then the principle will be modified when proof arises. Basically, I think we are differing on definitions.

          • Night Owl September 12, 2020 at 3:16 pm #

            Indeed, some here understand what “theory” means, and you do not.

        • Sredni Vashtar September 12, 2020 at 1:20 pm #

          Herbert Spencer said nothing is uglier than a beautiful theory being overturned by an errant fact.

      • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 11:50 am #

        Kurt Lewin once said, ‘there is nothing so practical as a good theory.’ That was meant for science professionals who view everything, at some point, as an hypothesis or ‘theory.’

        And BTW no theories are definitively PROVEN, there is simply ever growing evidence that supports or rejects a given theory, progressively over time. There is no such thing as a ‘complete’ theory in actual science done by actual SCIENTISTs (i.e. those who actually DO research).

      • Sredni Vashtar September 12, 2020 at 4:55 pm #

        If enough monkeys banged on enough typewriters, sooner or later they’d bang out Shakespeare, right?

        Wrong. How much time? Infinite time? No such thing in any universe we know of. And once you mention “infinite”, you are getting meta-physical….

        Or wait long enough and sooner or later a tornado would assemble a 747 out of a junk yard? No, just no. The higher cannot be created by the lower. The higher can use the lower as the building blocks of something higher. But a tornado is not anything higher.

        • Rulo Deschamps September 12, 2020 at 10:22 pm #

          That’s Jorge Luis Borges’ masterpiece, “The Library of Babel”, general argument. The world as a library of infinite books with letters arranged at random. Pilgrims search the levels and maybe once in a lifetime some of them find a sentence that makes sense in one of the books they open. It’s fascinating stuff, like everything Borges wrote. His work is widely available in English, and most other languages. Highly recommended.

          • Sredni Vashtar September 13, 2020 at 2:05 pm #

            Thanks. Sounds interesting. I’ve read a few of his essays and he’s a great writer.

  57. beantownbill. September 11, 2020 at 11:59 pm #

    I’ve never quite understood why many people won’t completely spell out an uncouth or swear word, and replace a letter with an asterisk. I’m not criticizing, I’m just curious. I mean, everybody knows the commenter speaks the word in real life, so why not in writing? Sure, they can be overused, and someone who regularly overuses swears can be considered foul mouthed, but I’m not talking about extremes.

    My daughter, when younger, was very hesitant to swear in our presence. I eventually sat down with her and explained I felt it was ok to swear, up to a point. I never hesitated to use expletives in her presence.

    Today, she can swear like a trooper, particularly when she’s upset. Strange thing, knowing it’s ok to swear, she doesn’t very often.

    Q, you’re the CFN language guru (in addition to,JHK). What think you?

    • Q. Shtik September 12, 2020 at 12:28 am #

      Q, you’re the CFN language guru (in addition to,JHK). – bean


      Please, bean, don’t give me such an exalted reputation that I can’t live up to.

    • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 11:09 am #

      Obviously working class from boston.

      • beantownbill. September 12, 2020 at 12:56 pm #

        Yeah, and proud of it.

        My grandparents on my father’s side owned or at least lived on a farm somewhere in Russia – my father knew which Oblast, or state, he came from and the name of his village, but the Nazis wiped out the village. It’s not on any map. Believe me, I’ve tried and tried to find it.

        My grandmother didn’t know how to read and write when she got here. My grandfather ended up owning an oil truck and started his own oil delivery business. My grandmother didn’t believe in banks and literally kept her money under the mattress.

        But she knew real estate, and in the depression the bank offered her their foreclosed houses on her street for only $200 down payment and with what was called at that time a standing mortgage. It was a perpetual Interest-only mortgage with a fixed payment. By the time she died in the late ‘60’s, she was still paying $72 per quarter on her mortgages. She bought 5 or 6 multi-family houses, and lived off the rents and sales for the rest of her life. I’d say she had good business sense.

        • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 1:31 pm #

          Interesting story. I too grew up working class. I was the smartest kid in a small industrial town in the mid south (they actually had industries then and lots of them). My grandfather came from the Netherlands with a PhD and was hired as a Professor at UNC. He died on an expedition (to find ancient musical instruments) in Central America when my dad was 3 yrs old and raised by baptist maternal aunts and uncles who knew nothing of my grandfather’s Jewish heritage. Then both my parent’s families lost their farms in the depression of the 20’s locking them into working class all their lives. Some ‘white privilege’ huh?.

          The meritocracy system of America (which is truly hated by the socialist and communists) allowed me, via native IQ and HARD work, to get a professional education. I still have the traits learned in the mill village I grew up in: I had to be both smartass and badass to survive. And very proud of it.

          Now in my late 60’s, I’ve learned that most everyone has incredible family stories. But few tell them. Thanks for yours.

          • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 1:33 pm #

            And I also wore glasses growing up in a tough mill village. God’s way of giving one what they need.

          • beantownbill. September 12, 2020 at 1:52 pm #

            Your family story is interesting too. So are those who’s parents and grandparents came to this country relatively recently. I love those histories. And thank YOU for sharing.

          • malthuss September 13, 2020 at 11:58 am #

            who’s? Bill. or whose? Or

    • Sredni Vashtar September 13, 2020 at 2:06 pm #

      Remember Mika and his G*D

  58. Q. Shtik September 12, 2020 at 12:32 am #

    @Green Alba

    Haven’t seen you around for a few days. Please acknowledge that you’re still alive.

    • BackRowHeckler September 12, 2020 at 11:14 am #

      That’s what I thought about you Q, when you dropped out for awhile. I even tried to draw you out with posts about Jersey Joe Wolcott and Two Ton Tony Galento, local heroes. No response, I thought you were a goner.


      • Q. Shtik September 12, 2020 at 11:27 am #

        I thought you were a goner. – BRH


        Oh, don’t worry about me. If I croak I’ll post something to let you know. 🙂

    • BackRowHeckler September 12, 2020 at 11:19 am #

      When I read that Two Ton Tony would train for a fight by wolfing down T bone steaks and a dozen eggs a day — washed down with a case of Ballentine Ale, I thought, now there’s a Champion!


    • GreenAlba September 13, 2020 at 8:52 am #

      Hello, Q. Shtik.

      The heart is still ticking, thank you. Just been away on holiday, although not that far away, and with a mostly ignored laptop.

      Even geographical distance lends perspective in a multitude of ways. 🙂

      Since the way my wee bro went, though, I’ve become even more aware than usual (and I’ve always been very aware!) of how precarious is the border between here and gone. Having just lost his older son a mere 11 days previously, he was sitting on the bed chatting with his wife and one of his daughters, about to take the dog for a walk together, and a second later he was gone. You never know the minute (and he was only 62).

      • Q. Shtik September 13, 2020 at 8:40 pm #

        Welcome back GA. Sorry about your brother and nephew.

  59. Night Owl September 12, 2020 at 3:54 am #

    Now that Trump has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, Atlantic hack Jeff Goldberg (yes, that JG, of recent fake nooz fame) wants to end it.


    Just when one thinks things can’t get more hilarious!

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    • JohnAZ September 12, 2020 at 11:33 am #

      Just another example of the mass insanity in the world today.

      Where was Goldberg when Obama got it for doing nothing then tried to burn the ME to the ground along with his female side kick?

    • Sredni Vashtar September 12, 2020 at 1:22 pm #

      The whole Establishment has revealed themselves to be a pack of vicious Frauds. That is Trump’s greatest achievement.

    • SoftStarLight September 12, 2020 at 2:06 pm #

      LOL he is so openly pathetic

  60. jtkong September 12, 2020 at 9:05 am #

    Kudos to all the doublethinkers who continue to believe the McGuffin emails would finally prove, Obama is running this global psyop from his garage.

    The only thing interesting about any of this, is that Kunstler still finds it interesting to waste good ink on the American fetid political system. In the end, does it matter whether the actor who reads the lines of our collective bio-captivity is insane or senile? Personally after 4 years of insane, I think senile would be a good change up for the all new fall season.

    Back in the USSR, for those of us who haven’t swallowed the blue pill, the knives are out, or should I say the syringes, and the Malthusian eugenicists have returned with a vengeance after a hiatus of 75 years. The WEF, headed by the scion of Hitler’s heavy water Fuhrer, is running around the European asylum declaring himself in charge of the 4th whatever. While over here, in IBM Germany’s western division, Gates and his “wife” are making the rounds on the Prostitute News Network declaring their vaccine as the final solution. As an ironic paean to BLM, Melinda has issued a fatwah that blacks will be the first guinea pigs corralled for the coming genetic cull.

    • elysianfield September 12, 2020 at 11:21 am #

      “final solution….”

      The “final solution”…read something about that years ago.

      Maybe the concept seemed sound at the time, but there were excesses….

  61. Pucker September 12, 2020 at 9:37 am #

    Read Wolin’s “Democracy, Inc.”

    I suspect that the Constitution was hallowed out a long time ago.

    Join the NRA.


    • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 10:53 am #

      Gun Owners of America is a more active, more aggressive, and less
      corruption contaminated option.

    • SoftStarLight September 12, 2020 at 2:02 pm #

      So basically the growing war industries had lots of incentive to be at the very least ambivalent about the giant wars in the 20th century because it made them much wealthier and much more powerful and they were able to become a permanent industry.

  62. volodya September 12, 2020 at 9:56 am #

    I never had much use for the idea of America as an “empire” aside, that is, from that long and wide territory between the Atlantic and Pacific, a very large patch of dirt encompassing groups of people that don’t play well together and never have as evidenced by that bloody dispute of the 1860s and the long cold war between North and South ever since. 

    The wide world beyond, ie the one that the furrowed-brows in Washington’s foreign policy elite presumed to – cough – control was never much more than a half-assed shambles of partially voluntary and partially involuntary association, tied together sometimes by mutual interest and sometimes by military force as in the case of Germany and Japan. Alliances of the unwilling and unable, led by an incompetent “superpower” that waged disastrous wars that bled its Treasury dry, most lately in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    So, “stupidly inept” characterizes not only the recruitment of Crazy Joe, but American foreign policy since WW2 and its preposterous and calamitous economic policies of the past forty years. America’s elites became possessed of the most cockamamie notions, nonsensical on the face of them, illogical at the core, ideas that nobody with an ounce of sense would subscribe to. Yet they were pushed as if they were the pinnacle of enlightenment, the height of humanity’s achievement and the bald facts on the ground exposing their absurdity proving no barrier to those same thinkers defending their handiwork, and the work of their intellectual predecessors, defying reason and the most obvious, most visually available evidence. 

    What the fuck is going on in America? Dissolution is what’s going on, that empire stretching from Atlantic to Pacific coming apart, its constituent parts refusing to be governed by the imperial capitol by people not of their taste or choosing, not just because of culture and ideology, but because economically the arrangement doesn’t work, can’t work, and can’t be fixed. 

    Black lives don’t matter to those rioters in the streets, it’s their own lives and prospects that matter, Black lives don’t matter especially to the Democrats, what matters to the Democrats are their own fortunes which are tied to those of their billionaire paymasters. The billionaires fucked this thing up most handsomely and the only way I can see to salvage this mess is to let it come down and then re-build, but without the input of those screwing things up in the first place. 

    • wwg1wga September 12, 2020 at 10:10 am #

      IT IS an empire accounting problem.

    • Pucker September 12, 2020 at 11:40 am #

      They’d rather control 100% of a pie 90% smaller than 20% of a pie 10 times larger.

    • JohnAZ September 12, 2020 at 11:54 am #

      Excellent post.

      Think about Rome. Same damn thing, the mob was coming into being, all the new diversity forced by new conquered lands, slave revolts, total incompetence in the representative legislative process, a breaking down of the Republic.

      Reaction, a hero shows up, Julius Caesar and rescues Rome from itself. Enough old schoolers still remained and tried to turn back the clock by killing poor old Julius. The melee that happened after his removal put one man in charge of the Empire with his bureaucracy in place to control everything by force. Remember what happed to Judea in the 70s. Eventually the diversity that continued to grow, destroyed the Empire.


      Homogeneity is a requirement for allegiance to a cause, a country. But homogeneity of what? Color, nationality, religion, sex, economic status.
      Then what stage of color, brown black or white? No such thing any more. Diversity involves all human traits, how does a society accommodate diversity?

      Maybe it can’t, maybe that is the lesson of all the fallen empires.

      • Sredni Vashtar September 12, 2020 at 1:31 pm #

        The races aren’t the same, John. Why would they be? We were separated for tens of thousands of years. Go read your post above to see what that means. Very different environments lead to very different peoples. Putting Swedes and Somali Muslims in the nation? Someone really hates the Swedes. Black Jamaicans in England? Someone really hates the English. The descendants of Black slaves allowed to mix freely with American Whites – a very bad idea even if they had forgiven us (which was always a very unlikely scenario if you know Blacks). But they haven’t. And they’re not going to.

        Lack of integration is your greatest problem. Part of you knows something but the rest of you doesn’t get the memo. You can’t seem to bring everything you know to bear on any given issue at any given time. You’re all over the place inside yourself and thus when you opine as well.

        Bad money drives out good money. Bad people drive out good people. Bad genes drive out good genes.

        You want everyone to mix? That’s just ignorance and madness.

      • SoftStarLight September 12, 2020 at 1:32 pm #

        So ultimately you don’t believe race is a reality. Or if you believe in race it sounds like you think its something as simple as skin color. But here it ultimately confirms what we suspected. You idealize a wish that ideological homogeneity will bring together different “colors”, nationalities, religions, classes, etc. But that hasn’t worked as we both conclude. So back to race.

        • JohnAZ September 12, 2020 at 3:48 pm #

          The lines between the races is so fuzzy, I do not know how to draw a dividing line. Are Haitians black, are Polynesians black, do we need to rid ourselves of Latinos, are all Africans black, is an Egyptian an African-American?

          Please delineate who need to be shipped off shore to purify this country and make if homogeneous. Do we ship out Mike Tyson and keep Beyoncé? Because one’s skin has more melatonin.

          Do we ship out all the Black athletes because they dominate pro sports?

          Now, talk about levels of stupidity. Do we ship out all the stupid people, all the gimmes. There are more white gimmes than there are black, just because there are more whites than blacks.

          One I like is make every person pledge allegiance to the US and never bend a knee during the anthem. Kaepernick should be on the first boat out, with the white state governments of the West Coast right behind him. One bent knee and you are out of here.

          One more problem, SSL, where are we going to send all these folks? No one else wants them either.

          • Sredni Vashtar September 12, 2020 at 4:46 pm #

            John, you’re acting out again, like Trump, pasting a “I’m a retard” on your forehead.

            Race isn’t skin color. That’s the least of it. Look at the Dravidians whose are as Black as coal but have heads shaped like ours. Think they’re going to act more like Blacks or us?

            Or look at the ones who look more like Aborigines? Think they’re going to produce any fine minds like the previous group does?

            Blacks are not just White Men with good tans. If it was just skin color, they wouldn’t dominate both sports and crime, right? Right John?

            Yes John, they’re only 13% of the population so more Whites are on welfare. But on questions like that, you look at “per capita” or percentage. Sheesh.

          • JohnAZ September 12, 2020 at 5:12 pm #

            To you I answer the same question

            Please delineate all the folks you want to get rid of.

            And do not be ignorant and say all the Black ones.

          • Sredni Vashtar September 12, 2020 at 5:20 pm #

            Thomas Jefferson wanted to get rid of all the Black ones. Was he ignorant?

            That’s a good start, but more must go, many more. And by “get rid of”, Jefferson meant deport as do I. And I know it’s not going to happen in this America, but of course this America is doomed. And a) does have a relationship with b).

          • Kim September 12, 2020 at 10:49 pm #

            @ John AZ

            “The lines between the races is so fuzzy, I do not know how to draw a dividing line. Are Haitians black, are Polynesians black, do we need to rid ourselves of Latinos, are all Africans black, is an Egyptian an African-American?”

            You say that the lines between the races are fuzzy but then proceed to draw very precise distinctions between them.

            So you don’t seem to have any trouble at all differentiating between them.

            Then there is the “it’s just skin color” trope. You know that isn’t true. If it were, we could just do what they have been doing with symphony orchestras for some years now, having blind trials e.g. public exams without weightings for “disadvantage”, etc, and without quotas. That would leave every group represented in every section of society in proportions very close to their occurrence in the population.

            But that doesn’t happen.

            Instead, blind trials produce exactly the results that “anti-racists” don’t want. For example, blind trials for symphony orchestras produce orchestras with more women than once upon a time but they are still full of white people.


            To Make Orchestras More Diverse, End Blind Auditions

            If ensembles are to reflect the communities they serve, the audition process should take into account race, gender and other factors.

            So it seems that the New York Times doesn’t really believe that race is only skin deep.

            As to your idea that some people should be expelled:

            Kaepernick should be on the first boat out, with the white state governments of the West Coast right behind him.

            Population displacements and ethinic cleansings have been very popular throughout human history. There were many in the 20th C and despite some being judged very successful – by those who survived them – and taking place under international or intergovernmental auspices (e.g. the Partition of India, the removal of the Palestinians, the post-WW2 expulsions of Germans), others, such as in the Congo ethnic wars between the Hutus and Tutsis were not seen as so successful.

            So I am not sure that ethnic cleansing is the policy for today. Maybe in the future.

            A better solution for race conflict – but not race envy, of course – would be to simply remove legal barriers to humans exercising their rights of Freedom of Association.

            Pretty quickly, that would – without improper force or compulsion – allow people to freely and naturally form communities that matched their own personalities and interests.

            But we can’t have that, can we? After all, that might produce results that too truthfully reflect racial characteristics.

          • malthuss September 13, 2020 at 12:02 pm #

            There is an Island.
            On one side the people average 60 Afro -40 Euro in their DNA.
            The other side 96% African DNA.

            NPR did a boo hoo hoo piece on how the bad Dominicans didnt want a Haitian invasion [like USA has, with millions of Haitians].

            Or as a pal in Miami said ‘The Haitians smell bad and are ruining Miami.’

  63. wwg1wga September 12, 2020 at 10:07 am #

    Evacuate to where, EXACTLY?

  64. neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 11:06 am #

    JHK: Your blog report today is almost too much to face; you put it all in a few paragraphs, showing just how far we are down the road of complete loss of rule of law and breakdown of civility and decency in a formerly great country America. We are clearly much closer to the breaking point, followed by a very bloody and confusing Civil War 2, and, IMNSHO, much later by world made by hand. That’s unless we get WWIII with china or others, then we get world made by hand in a few months. Where’s them SSRIs?

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    • JohnAZ September 12, 2020 at 12:13 pm #

      Everyone thinks that war is the result of what is going on.

      The devil’s advocate in me says, does the Deep State have the cojones to fight back against the separatist movements going on? If the current reaction to Antifa is any indication, nope!

      What will be the cowardly political solution, ie how are they going to cut up the pie? Cities are subsets of states, how do you divide up Illinois for example where the south is Red, and Chicago is blue.

      City states? Dissolution like India and Pakistan or the Balkans?

      A good question. The US, fronted by the UN, has plugged itself into these political divisions and helped find solutions. What happens when the “boss” falls apart?

      • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 1:10 pm #

        Excellent points. I’ve done some recent reading about the Balkans from about 1800 onward, and they were like you’re describing above. EasternOrthodox and Muslims living in the same areas, along with both fascists and communists. Selco Begovic (check his work out on amazon), a writer who lived thru their war as an EMT confirms that such still existed in the early 1990’s. It yielded massive confusion, strife and much more violence that one would have expected had the opposing groups been separated by more space.

        Focusing more on what exactly you are saying is that 1-my understanding of THE Civil War is that my state was as you described (eastern part pro Union, western and middle (farmlands, more pro Gray). Today, the eastern part is strongly pro RED, and middle Pro Blue, and the Western part mixed Red/Blue; a recipe for confusion and back/forth with competing groups, maybe yielding city states within opposing regions. What a fucking mess!!!!!

        Personally, I predict that the US will end up like the 1980s-90s Balkans with regions at war, but within regions- confusion, chaos, and 4th gen war stuff. I really don’t think we can get back to a civil system where reds/blues can talk with each. They can’t even agree on a Covid benefits bill, much less anything else. And, they’ll never allow a viable 3rd or 4th party. Historically, IMHO, a very bad sign. Proviso: all of above assume NO WWIII with china, et al. There is nothing that brings people together like a common enemy, only the left coast may not be the enemy of china. Just say’in.

        • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 1:13 pm #

          Responding to JohnAZ. Bottom line to directly answer your question: I think it will be divided up based on which group beats the living hell out of their opposing group (s). Winner takes all, …..for a while. In warfare, might makes right. Red states and regions are far better armed than blue, by far!!!!! And, red states have far more members in the Army and Marines. Don’t know about AF and Navy.

      • Sredni Vashtar September 12, 2020 at 1:41 pm #

        Imagine if it were White Nationalists out on those streets. They would have called in tanks and air strikes. So, No, that’s not what’s happening. A lot of the White kids out there are from the Tribal Elite, some even WASPS. The Establishment isn’t going to kill its own. And the rest are just dupes of the system, despite their hatred of it. They want all the things the Corporations want – they’re just too blinded by hatred to see it. There are out and out nihilists out there too – and they’ll be dealt with sooner or later if they cross the line.

        The Blacks of BLM are more problematic, but obviously have a big role to play in the coming festivities. A very serious criminal element is involved with anything like this.

        • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 5:09 pm #

          Imagine when all the antifa/blm/nfac lunatics come into REAL southern and mid western neighborhoods (st. louis doesn’t count; it has been an african, proto blm/antifa stronghold since I was in grad school in the 70’s. I was told by many profs and mentors, NOT to go to St. Louis U despite its good acad rep, scholarships due to lots of african gang activity). Neither does Atlanta or Louisville, as they are run by antifa/blm supporter and soyboys that relocated from the big shit hole cities in the west and north.

          The county I live in has more CCW permits (that’s concealed carry of firearm weapons, for the soys) than the whole state, and the state is #10 in the country for CCWs, also top 20 for # of weapons per household. The vast majority of the Red states have ‘castle doctrines,’ that extend legal firearm self defense to the front porch and the yard, if a potential ORK/assailant is armed. And 99% of the people in the Red states are totally pissed off and just waiting for the assailants.

          I understand that some on this board are Red ideologically, but live in soyboy shit hole states and cities. Better move before the war starts.

          • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 5:16 pm #

            Hopefully, you won’t convince your self that the war won’t start so you can maintain the ‘comfort’ of ‘bugging in’ forever.

          • Sredni Vashtar September 12, 2020 at 5:36 pm #

            Yup, I’m headin’ for Lovecraft Country.

            Cthulu kept his word (as the mestizo, Castro, reported) when he said he would teach his followers new ways to shout and new ways to kill.

  65. BackRowHeckler September 12, 2020 at 11:09 am #

    At least one arson arrest in southern Oregon forest fire, a meth addict haha. Sure he’s wearing a black shirt, and many of the arsonists and looters in Portland were meth addicts wearing black shirts, but that in itself doesn’t mean anything. Could be that he’s an arsonists who simply likes to start fires, with no political motives whatsoever.

    Besides, the narrative is west coast fires are President Trump’s fault, punishment for pulling out of the Paris Accord. There is really very little going on in the world right now that is not President Trump’s fault apparently LOL!


    • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 11:39 am #

      Bottom line is that most mental hospitals, esp for long term treatment, have been shut down over the past 1 1/2 +/- decades due to the progressive (& sometimes hidden) economic collapse. The crazies are all OUT and about and they group together when they find each other. Start fires, riot, expose themselves in public, attack people (yes, schizophrenics and some schizoaffectives, and bipolars attack people) etc, etc, ad nauseum.

      • JohnAZ September 12, 2020 at 11:59 am #

        Hey, Neurodoc. Notice that all the protest cities are homeless centers. Maybe all the tent dwellers finally have something to do at night, being paid by the globalist elites. A wonderful legacy of decades of Blue control.

        Blue= spending to buy votes even when the capital does not exist. One must keep the natives quiet in those cities.

        • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 1:15 pm #

          So finally, after all these years of talking about ‘rehabbing’ the severely mentally ill, and failing miserably, georgy soros figured out the way. Get rid of law enforcement, and pay the crazies to be crazy….and vote dem/communist. Lovely.


          • JohnAZ September 12, 2020 at 3:34 pm #

            That about says it, doesn’t it.

    • JohnAZ September 12, 2020 at 12:16 pm #

      Been that way since 2016. Lots of people making their living attacking Trump 24/7. Wouldn’t it be nice if they spent that time governing?

  66. Goldy89 September 12, 2020 at 11:20 am #

    Has it ever occurred to you that there is actually not “anything” and that your positive desire to be right and live in a world made by hand has made you fall for the biggest con of late – QAnon? You used to care about real sh*t.

    • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 11:42 am #

      WHo are you responding to? Not clear. Who reads this qanon?

      • wwg1wga September 12, 2020 at 12:45 pm #

        ALL is not lost!

      • Q. Shtik September 12, 2020 at 1:25 pm #

        WHo are you responding to? Not clear. Who reads this qanon? – neurodoc


        Here is my best guess as to an answer to your question, neuro… plus further analysis:

        Goldy89 is a Jewish woman born in 1989 and thus 31 years old, give or take a year. I say Jewish as Goldy is a common nickname for Jewish women but has no bearing on what she wrote. Being 31 yo means she is young and thus has written the word shit with an * replacing the letter i because she is still affected by a strict up-bringing and doesn’t want her mommy to wash out her mouth with soap. (This was a common threat back in the day which no one ever actually followed through on.)

        The reference to QAnon is interesting, at least to me, since there was a big op-ed piece about it (the organization/phenomenon) in yesterday’s NYT. I read it yet still could not tell you what it is if my life depended on it. I DO get the impression it is considered to be right-wing, but I could be completely wrong.

        Goldy is pissed at our host because she sees him as desiring to turn back the clock and live in “a world made by hand” and she believes Jim has swallowed a right-wing pro-Trump message that, I presume, is being touted by QAnon. Goldy, of course, is politically sky blue due in part to her young age and the fact that she is surrounded by others (girl friends) in a blue town, blue state and blue region (probably in close proximity to a commie pinko fag university).

        • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 1:47 pm #

          In response to my questioning him, A friend just emailed me and told me that Qanon is an anonymous ‘insider’ person/group that gives cryptic notes and messages to the internet followers that hint at what’s supposedly ‘really’ going on in DC, etc. Apparently, it said that Barr would lock up people like hillary, strok, etc. So much for that.

          • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 1:50 pm #

            My friend also said that Qanon basically give hope and encouragement to those who think that the current system is going to be completely fixed, and everything will be fine. Plllllllease.

          • Night Owl September 12, 2020 at 6:06 pm #

            I have no opinion on Q either way, TBH.

            But here is the big but — Anyone who has looked into Trump’s past would know that Q could very well be a Trump operation. He was known to call up media outlets posing as an agent and spreading stories that he wanted to be spread. Q, whatever it is, is exactly the sort of thing Trump would be involved in.

            And, I find it rather interesting the Mike Flynn has repeatedly said Trump has an army of digital soldiers and that he keeps posing with Q signs.

          • Majella September 12, 2020 at 11:37 pm #

            Flynn is a nutjob, along with his son.

          • Night Owl September 13, 2020 at 9:55 am #

            Michael Flynn is a 3-star US Army general who headed up the DIA, one of the most powerful intelligence agencies in the world.

            You are a low-IQ individual who posts in a chat room.


          • Majella September 14, 2020 at 5:59 am #

            Mike Flynn is QAnon NJCTist, who has confessed on multiple occasions to several felonies.

            Ouch, indeed.

          • Majella September 14, 2020 at 6:01 am #

            …and given your low opinion of intelligence agencies, don’t you smell the smoke of your own cognitive dissonance streaming from your ears, Troll?

          • Majella September 14, 2020 at 6:06 am #

            ‘I have no opinion on Q either way, TBH’

            ROFL.! You make a lot of dishonest statements, Narc-troll, but that one takes the cake.

            Methinks, a slight trepidation (never to be admitted to self or publically of course) at further incurring the wrath of neurodoc has a LOT to with THAT particular whopper.

        • Sredni Vashtar September 12, 2020 at 2:46 pm #

          Forest Gump is the story of the 60’s. Beautiful blonds like Jenny go out to “protest/tease” and hook up with dark, hairy guys with afros, basically proto-Antifa, leaving the Aryan guys who love them like Forest pining!

        • Q. Shtik September 13, 2020 at 12:07 am #

          (probably in close proximity to a commie pinko fag university). – Q.


          If technology and this boards rules allowed for a do-over I would change the above sentence by adding single quotes around ‘commie pinko fag’ to reflect that this was an expression often used back in (I think) the ’60s and not the fruit of my own mind nor attributable to some well-known person, in which case the full ” … ” double quotes would’ve been used.

          Rutgers, onto whose property I could almost toss a stone from the western side of my home, my grad school alma mater and the institution of higher learning where my daughter earned a degree in Women’s Studies (yes, alas, the women’s studies of useless-degree infamy), would be a perfect example of what would derogatorially be called a ‘commie pinko fag’ university. There are many others.

          • BackRowHeckler September 13, 2020 at 8:58 am #

            With a lousy football program, I might add.

    • SoftStarLight September 12, 2020 at 1:10 pm #

      So why exactly is Netflix promoting child pornography? Do you think that is something? The Obamas advise on production and Susan Rice is a board member. Connected to the wealthiest people on the planet.

      • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 1:18 pm #

        I wonder if there are a bunch of super wealthy pedofiles out there who abuse children. Is that possible in our civilized society? Surely not!!!! After all this is America. Isn’t it?


        • wwg1wga September 12, 2020 at 3:34 pm #

          Meet the NEW Royalty:

          • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 4:56 pm #

            And sometimes, e.g. 18th century France, the so called ‘royalty’ gets the guillotine!!! Perhaps history will repeat or at least rhyme.

        • JohnAZ September 12, 2020 at 5:10 pm #


          Where do you think those wealthy folks got their money?

          • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 5:33 pm #

            I don’t know for sure, but I do know for a fact that USreps making ~150K$ per year cannot legally become multi millionaires in just 4 or five years. Yet it’s a fact that most ARE, after their first term of service (to self). Unless of course they are ALL trading geniuses like hillary who turned 1K into 100k in 3 days as a lawyer (of course she had documented inside info). BTW, the congress has made a law, several years ago, that the insider trading laws are not applicable to them because they have to see inside info as part of their job. Actually true, look it up. Perhaps that’s their edge.

            The super wealthy? I think most of them are from families that have stolen massive amounts of money and have been able to keep it over the years and pass it down.

            Others like biden simply did as much crime as possible during his service (to self) years in congress and vp, and lined the pockets of his relatives and self; all well documented for those who can actually read things they may not like to hear.

            Some famous guy once said that: ‘behind every great fortune, is a great crime.’

            Interesting aside, it was announced today that hunter biden resigned from the chinese owned company on which he was a board member. citation: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/13/20912336/hunter-biden-resigns-chinese-firm-impeachment-inquiry-joe-trump

          • Majella September 12, 2020 at 10:47 pm #


            The STOCK Act of 2012 put an end to that particular rort:

            “The Stop Trading on Congressional Knowledge (STOCK) Act (Pub.L. 112–105, S. 2038, 126 Stat. 291, enacted April 4, 2012) is an Act of Congress designed to combat insider trading. It was signed into law by President Barack Obama on April 4, 2012. The law prohibits the use of non-public information for private profit, including insider trading by members of Congress and other government employees. It confirms changes to the Commodity Exchange Act, specifies reporting intervals for financial transactions.

            After a 60 Minutes segment on congressional insider trading in 2011, Republican Senator Scott Brown and Democratic Senator Kirsten Gillibrand introduced bills to combat the practice. In February 2012, the STOCK Act passed in the Senate by a 96–3 vote; the only no votes were senators Jeff Bingaman, Richard Burr, and Tom Coburn.[2] Later the House of Representatives passed it by a 417–2 vote.[3] The bill was supported heavily by vulnerable incumbents and signed into law by President Obama.[4] According to the current United States Senate Select Committee on Ethics, “A member, officer, or employee of the Senate shall not receive any compensation, nor shall he permit any compensation to accrue to his beneficial interest from any source, the receipt or accrual of which would occur by virtue of influence improperly exerted from his position as a member, officer, or employee.”[5]

      • benr September 13, 2020 at 10:13 am #

        Well lets examine the movements and attempts to normalize things thought of as not normal.
        RACE HUSTLE = 60’s
        interacial mixing Think =Star trek Kirk Uhura or Jungle fever.
        GAY HUSTLE = Bill clinton and obama era
        Newsweek proclaim Obama first gay President.
        back to gay hustle a la gay marriage
        1% hustle for a bit you know kill your banker nonsense.
        Feminist hustle = pink pussy hats and Trump outrage
        Race hustle aka social justice and systemic racism
        #metoo movement till it ran afoul of Biden and was eating prominent leftist turds.
        BLM and antifa nonsense.
        Now we are being presented with pedo’s just want to have fun messaging. This really is one of the last bastions of “sexual taboos” left.
        I started seeing Nambla messaging a couple of years ago percolating in news cycles.
        Which is why they started story time with a tranny and other really seriously odd stuff.
        The only other mentally ill topic to bring up for the insane left is fun with furry friends and I am sure we will see that at some point soon.

        When one cause de jour burns out or runs out of funding they cycle through one of the social experiments designed to destroy societies.
        I was listening to Sonnies corner on xm radio and she brought up this cycle of rinse repeat on Saturday.
        She is obnoxious and hard to listen to but I find her viewpoints enlightening at times.

        • beantownbill. September 13, 2020 at 1:01 pm #

          Bestiality? Ewww!

          • benr September 13, 2020 at 2:22 pm #


            Why how disparaging of you I remember the same being said of mixed race relationships and homosexuality.
            However with the above sarcasm injected I must say it won’t be long before someone will be attempting to Doxx you for saying eww to raping kids or fido.

            We live in sick times.

        • Majella September 13, 2020 at 8:01 pm #

          I trust she expressed herself more clearly than you managed to there…

  67. Wormies Bindabau September 12, 2020 at 2:31 pm #

    Truly one of the saddest things in this horrific year has been to watch the formerly prescient and wise JHK go over to the hideous camp of trump.

    The bycatch that he was netted by championing his new hero are all too apparent on this board.


    • Sredni Vashtar September 12, 2020 at 2:42 pm #

      Poor Wurmies! Watch out for those Birds of Pray known as Christians, and the Hawks of Truth in general.

      • JimInFlorida September 12, 2020 at 4:35 pm #

        hehehe… either I’m blocked again or our Host has an algorithm designed to filter out Inconvenient Truths! If this posts, then we’ll know.

        • Sredni Vashtar September 12, 2020 at 4:47 pm #

          Hi, Jim!

        • Sredni Vashtar September 12, 2020 at 5:00 pm #

          Third possibility: a general internet ban or quarantine on certain sites. Sometimes I try to post something and it won’t take – from sites I had never posted before and he probably wouldn’t know about.

    • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 5:37 pm #

      I think this guy is another pro dem/communist troll or paid shill (one who irrationally spews misinformation and divisiveness) that replaced the prior one that appears to have left in shame.

      • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 5:38 pm #

        I’m referring to the wormies guy.

        • Night Owl September 12, 2020 at 6:03 pm #

          It is Cargill. Not sure it could be more obvious.

        • Wormies Bindabau September 12, 2020 at 7:08 pm #

          Oh, THAT guy – forget it. Truly hopeless. A definite raisin in this foul pudding of trumpers. He doesn’t SEE it. Doesn’t get it. A lost cause.

          • Q. Shtik September 12, 2020 at 9:35 pm #

            A definite raisin in this foul pudding of trumpers. – wormies


            Ha ha haha ha,,Ahh ha ha hja hahaha. That’s funny!!!

  68. xxzzy999 September 12, 2020 at 3:11 pm #

    The Democrat Party has become the (Socialist Identity Party) and promise Progressive fantasies, (“The Carrot”), i.e. Bernie’s unsustainable Socialist programs to further their evolving Marxist/Maoist ideology (“The Stick”). Maoist methods (Cancel Culture) are used to erase America’s Customs, Culture, History, and Established Ideas in their strategy to destroy America’s current form of government based on the Founding Father’s Constitutional blueprint. Their ultimate goal is to install a Totalitarian atheistic government that starts out as a form of corrupt and unworkable Socialism.

    America endured 8 years of Obama’s criminal political assault and his failed coup called (RussiaGate) to overthrow President Trump. RussiaGate was a conspiracy to overthrow a sitting president carried out by a coordinated effort of high-ranking government employees across many agencies, who knew exactly what they were doing. Americans are starting to understand how the Obama administration weaponized the DOJ, FBI, CIA and IRS to go after his political opponents, and in doing so, he trampled the Constitution and fueled the violent overthrow of cultural norms. America, in her glorious history, has never experienced anything in politics as corrupt as Obama’s RussiaGate. Nixon’s WaterGate political crimes look like an overdue library book by comparison.

    Read “The Permanent Coup”, by: Lee Smith to fully understand the scope and depth of Obama’s RussiaGate crimes. Try the “Audible” version.

    • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 5:55 pm #

      A bit off topic, but has anyone thought about forming a group called DEFUND THE IRS. I just finished extended tax data for my accountant and wanted to write FUCK YOU on the return but decided to wait until my daughter is thru med school.

      And while we’re at it, why not DEFUND THE BATF and DEFUND THE DEA. All criminal organization IMNSHO.


      • BackRowHeckler September 12, 2020 at 7:37 pm #

        Doc, I have wondered of late why income tax is necessary, what with the Feds ability to create money out of thin air.

        • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 8:23 pm #

          Damn Good Point

        • Q. Shtik September 12, 2020 at 9:43 pm #

          why income tax is necessary, – BRH


          I have wondered this for decades. If they’re just gonna print up the difference between income and outgo……..

    • Wormies Bindabau September 12, 2020 at 6:57 pm #

      Amazing otherwise normal folk walk around thinking this kind of horseshit.

      • Sredni Vashtar September 12, 2020 at 7:53 pm #

        Do you understand the social contract? They provide protection in exchange for food (now money) from us? They are falling down on the job, worm. Why should we pay if they won’t protect?

        • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 8:18 pm #

          Worries is a demo/communist troll/ plant. Ignore!

          • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 8:22 pm #

            I meant wormmies damn the AI spell check.

          • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 8:25 pm #

            AI spell check persists in spelling it’s names worries. Need to check this out. Watch it run now!

          • Majella September 13, 2020 at 6:19 pm #

            Does it also insist on spelling “its” as “it’s”?

  69. SoftStarLight September 12, 2020 at 3:33 pm #

    Why is there a huge campaign going right now to silence “rumors” that the fires are a mass arson attack?


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    • Sredni Vashtar September 12, 2020 at 4:50 pm #

      Only because it’s True. As Anglin said, They’ve only been trying to burn shit down for months. Why would anyone think they would do a thing like set the forests on fire?

      What’s the Big Foot situation down there? Got any? I’ve heard rumors of “Skunk Apes”.

      • SoftStarLight September 12, 2020 at 6:24 pm #

        Exactly, like come on people lets at least try to follow things logically! It’s interesting you ask. So yeah the Skunk Apes are more like actual primates. Some sort of relict species I guess that has survived in the deep swamps for ages. And then in the hills in the northern part there are the more traditional humanoid Bigfoots. They aren’t aggressive unless they feel like you are attacking them so you don’t have to be really worried about them or anything. Skunk Apes are extremely dangerous though and will attack just because they are naturally violent and vicious.

        • Sredni Vashtar September 12, 2020 at 6:43 pm #

          The Skunk Apes are the Black Big Foot in other words? Gentlemen, this one is a keeper.

        • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 8:27 pm #

          You are a distraction from the flowing dialogue. Who pays you?

      • PeteAtomic September 13, 2020 at 9:52 am #

        “skunk apes” lol

        does it have a white stripe down its back?

    • JohnAZ September 12, 2020 at 5:08 pm #

      Because the media runs the communication in this country. And the media is Liberal +.

  70. Sredni Vashtar September 12, 2020 at 5:16 pm #

    from Barnhardt.biz

    Dear Ann,

    I too had a startling experience with a complaining mother in a meeting. Parents like myself had been summoned to our local Catholic High School for an urgent discussion on an unprecedented problem afflicting our girls: cyberbullying. There were many experts. There were many parents.

    One tearful mother stood up to give her terrible story of how viciously her thirteen year old was tormented by phone texts. It was so bad, she said, that it caused her child to start cutting herself. She found her daughter passed out in a blood spattered bathroom with a pair of scissors lying next to her limp hand. Ambulance, hospital, stitches, medication, psychiatrist, psychologist, all ensued.

    The experts nodded solemnly. The parents leaned over in consolation and congratulated her for her courage in speaking. I stood up, and for the first time ever in a meeting, I spoke.

    “ As a mother I am appalled by the terrible suffering your daughter has endured. And I can see how concerned you are. But I have good news. I can save her. Right now. Right here. Give me her phone and will crush it to smithereens under the heel of my shoe. Problem solved.”

    She replied, with near unanimous support, expert and parental, “ How could you be so cruel? I could never do that to my child.”

    I paid the price for that interjection in the years that followed by being derided, mocked and excluded. My daughter didn’t. She survived, unscarred, and thrived.

    With love,


    SV: How few are willing to pay the price, to become small enough to pass thru the Eye of the Needle, to walk naked into Eternity.

    • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 5:48 pm #

      I, personally, can’t wait until the power goes out for extended periods, or, more likely, is severely rationed (a la Argentina, Venezuela, etc), and the cell phones all die or become too expensive for casual use. I want to see how the millennials, gen Xers and tweens survive. Perhaps they can be taught to grow food in the family garden, preferably in the damn FRONT YARD. And maybe read some actual BOOKS.

      And for the soys and trolls, yes I will miss forums like this but will survive. Will probably become an even better Physician by reading more material that’s not on the net.

      • elysianfield September 14, 2020 at 2:13 am #

        “I, personally, can’t wait until the power goes out for extended periods, or, more likely, is severely rationed (a la Argentina, Venezuela, etc), and the cell phones all die or become too expensive for casual use. I want to see how the millennials, gen Xers and tweens survive.”


        What an odd sentiment for someone highly educated,. You, we, are well aware of the consequences. Comeuppance of the great unwashed, who have been manipulated through our arguably degenerate culture, is not something I want to see…I can wait.

        ” Will probably become an even better Physician…”

        Hopefully you might become a more compassionate one.

        Heal thyself.

    • Q. Shtik September 12, 2020 at 8:29 pm #

      How few are willing to pay the price, – Sred

      As melodramatic as your post is, am I to believe your position is that our kids must give up their smart phones??

      • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 9:36 pm #

        You miss the point entirely due to obvious poor schooling and very limited education. Are you a plumber or a carpenter? There are many boards for the 12 th grade schooled that you might want to try. Don’t respond if you don’t understand, moron. Please leave since this board is obviously beyond your grade level.

        • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 9:42 pm #

          Maybe you should try noabstraction.com or itakethingsliterally.com or even idunce.com.

        • Majella September 12, 2020 at 11:41 pm #


          Q.Shtik’s post was in response to Sredni Vashtar’s, not yours, you egomaniac. You owe him an apology for that unwarranted, nasty, elitist smear.

          (You also seem to have forgotten the joke told here recently about why the plumber had given up brain surgery.)

          • Sredni Vashtar September 13, 2020 at 12:55 am #

            Well said. Spiritual work is performing plumbing on your own mind. It’s sad: the only other guy on the blog who knew about the Black brain…..

      • Sredni Vashtar September 12, 2020 at 11:05 pm #

        Well that’s Anne’s point and I agree – and then I just use metaphors (one Christian and one generic) to unpack the Principle of Sacrifice. I believe Anne would go along with this.

  71. tom clark September 12, 2020 at 5:47 pm #

    Note to Washington, Oregon and California…c’mon over to the red side.
    Then you’ll be sure the color of your politics will match the color of your skies for the next four years.

    • Night Owl September 12, 2020 at 6:01 pm #

      Wait until you find out the fires are a product of arson.

      It is almost like you have no clue what is going on.

      • Sredni Vashtar September 12, 2020 at 6:46 pm #

        The media have dropped all mention of the Antifa. Have no idea if they are still out “protesting” or not. They are as guilty as their clients.

        • Night Owl September 13, 2020 at 10:00 am #

          There is a good vid. up of a recent arrest on Twitter. Guy called the cops to report a fire that he started himself.

          Powerful intellects in the Antifa horde.

      • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 9:28 pm #

        And YOU know. Explain your credentials for KNOWING, troll.

        • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 9:29 pm #

          I’m referring to the night owl TROLL

          • Night Owl September 13, 2020 at 9:59 am #

            I see you are still angry about being embarrased by a non-doctor on reading basic stats from the CDC.

            You are still free to answer the question like an adult.


          • Majella September 13, 2020 at 6:24 pm #

            Yay! Result! You’ll be very pleased with yourself, I expect!

            You now have ANOTHER poster recognising you for the low-life troller you are, and someone else you can snark and “lol” at in your infantile manner.

            Troll heaven.

          • benr September 13, 2020 at 8:59 pm #


            Put your hand back in the Palmolive and while your at it sink your face into it as well.
            Rich coming from one of the worst snarky leftist trolls on this board.
            You give far more in snark and disinfo than you receive.
            Good one.

          • Night Owl September 14, 2020 at 3:45 am #

            The “doc” can call me whatever he likes. I couldn’t care less.

            I care about the evidence. And when the evidence was presented, the doc ran away.

        • benr September 13, 2020 at 9:41 am #

          Long memory for facts that have been scrubbed from internet.

          There was a terror cell taken out prior to 9-11 that had a training manual captured.
          Inside this manual was two very significant attacks laid out.
          One was to use jet liners to run into buildings and the other was to set forest fires in areas that were prone to them.
          Was big news at the time and now can’t find the report anywhere.

          • Night Owl September 13, 2020 at 10:13 am #

            Twitter is ablaze with arrest reports, vids, etc. for suspected arsonsists. Posted a few links further down.

    • Siebert September 12, 2020 at 8:55 pm #

      I’ll tell my wife. She’s always been into those matching decor schemes.

  72. stelmosfire September 12, 2020 at 8:01 pm #

    I can’t believe it, “I just found out my uncle, a lifelong Republican, will be voting Democrat this fall. This never would have happened if he were still alive!”

    • neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 8:31 pm #

      He and thousands of other zombies. Could it be that zombies are democrat communists?

  73. Siebert September 12, 2020 at 9:30 pm #

    A nice post this week, thank you JHK. I knew this author from the Geography of Nowhere and followed many years, and I’m glad I did.


    The sequence of Anacyclosis proceeds in the following order: 1. monarchy, 2. kingship, 3. tyranny, 4. aristocracy, 5. oligarchy, 6. democracy, and 7. ochlocracy.

    According to Polybius’ elaboration of the theory, the state begins as a form of primitive monarchy. The state will emerge from monarchy under the leadership of an influential and wise king; this represents the emergence of “kingship”. Political power will pass by hereditary succession to the children of the king, who will abuse their authority for their own gain; this represents the degeneration of kingship into “tyranny”.

    Some of the more influential and powerful men of the state will grow weary of the abuses of tyrants, and will overthrow them; this represents the ascendancy of “aristocracy” (as well as the end of the “rule by the one” and the beginning of the “rule by the few”).

    Just as the descendants of kings, however, political influence will pass to the descendants of the aristocrats, and these descendants will begin to abuse their power and influence, as the tyrants before them; this represents the decline of aristocracy and the beginning of “oligarchy”. As Polybius explains, the people will by this stage in the political evolution of the state decide to take political matters into their own hands.

    This point of the cycle sees the emergence of “democracy”, as well as the beginning of “rule by the many”. In the same way that the descendants of kings and aristocrats abused their political status, so too will the descendants of democrats. Accordingly, democracy degenerates into “ochlocracy”, literally, “mob-rule”. In an ochlocracy, according to Polybius, the people of the state will become corrupted, and will develop a sense of entitlement and will be conditioned to accept the pandering of demagogues.

    Eventually, the state will be engulfed in chaos, and the competing claims of demagogues will culminate in a single (sometimes virtuous) demagogue claiming absolute power, bringing the state full-circle back to monarchy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anacyclosis GO TEAM CHAOS!

  74. neurodoc September 12, 2020 at 9:44 pm #

    Signing off. The dunces have invaded yet again, distracting from conversations among the educated.

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    • Siebert October 1, 2020 at 8:42 pm #

      Who you calling a dunce?

  75. Kim September 12, 2020 at 10:25 pm #


    I wonder if on these flights they also serve fried chicken and watermelon.

    I mean, as long as they’re pandering.

    • Majella September 14, 2020 at 5:56 am #


  76. Sredni Vashtar September 12, 2020 at 10:55 pm #

    Social control for one thing. And also remember that with that fake money they get real resources, labor, and capital.

    As the middle class dies, much of its wealth will flow to them. With automation, they don’t need us as much in any case. With highly skilled Asian employees, they don’t need Whites at all anymore for the most part.

  77. tom clark September 12, 2020 at 11:06 pm #

    Note to Nightowl…sorry, buddy, I can’t compete w/ you. You da best, fellla…I’m not awake at 3AM. California arson…gotta love it! What idiot would set off fireworks for a gender reveal party under drought and extreme heat? Only a Democrat, I’m sure. Sweet dreams, jackass.

    • Majella September 13, 2020 at 4:44 am #

      Hey TC, you do know, he’s not joking, don’t you? Narc-troll will propagate any CT he finds, but through a thin veil of a faux ‘intellectual superiority’ He’s a fraud (and a projectionist).

      • GreenAlba September 13, 2020 at 9:58 am #


        I liked the one where the Narc-troll posted this:

        ““Weird, the World Bank is reporting that COVID19 test kits were being sold in 2017…”

        … with a link, then, when challenged by cc rider, from the actual linked item, extracted his weaselly self thus:

        “I posted it to get brains thinking. When I have hard evidence, I make that clear […]”

        I mean, yeah, really. He posted it ‘to get brains thinking’. Shit like that you cannot make up. And his projecting was so far off the charts it was best left without comment, as it did the job so perfectly itself.

        cc rider, mind you, wasn’t averse to a bit of trolling himself, but he’s admitted to it before, so I guess he just couldn’t help himself. I learned that I was included with HRC (and yourself) in a list of ‘warmongers’, on the basis of … well, nothing at all, naturally. Once wasn’t enough, so the next post suggested, cagily, that I must wish for war with Putin. Say, what? If one dares suggest that poisoning your opponents or having them otherwise topped isn’t statesmanlike, one is proposing war? Really? How flippin’ gaslighty is that?

        But the trolling on here is getting depressing. Kimmy Boy (he-who-demands-apologies-but-cannot-apologise) joined in with his humourless view that a sarcastic smiley aimed at the Narc-troll (for whom the period between October 2018 and today is over three years long) denoted ‘passive aggression’. Really, he has that much insight.

        And then he proceeded to regale the readership with his ignorance (despite his implicitly claimed knowledge of the UK) of the meaning of ‘Alba’. Oh, dear.

        But trolls gonna troll …

        BTW, re your reference to Buckden, we drove through it midweek, along the Wharfe, on the way from Grassington, where we were based, to Hawes, before gratefully joining the A road to Aysgarth, Castle Bolton et al, in Wensleydale. The tiny, single-track road, with its unannounced (in the English fashion) passing places, was a bit of a challenge, as my husband always hires a Hilux for such trips (cheaper than a car). Lots of the Dales roads wouldn’t have allowed two modest horse and cart combos to pass each other back in the day either!

        Don’t know if the Dales TV programme ‘Our Yorkshire Farm’ is showing over your way or likely to be. You might like it if you liked the Dales. The shepherdess is a city girl from Huddersfield who always wanted to keep sheep (since reading ‘James Herriot’’s All Creatures Great and Small!) and now has 1000 sheep and 9 children on a farm in N. Yorkshire. She popped the last child out downstairs without even waking her husband, as it was winter and she didn’t fancy the drive across the Dales in the snow!

    • GreenAlba September 13, 2020 at 9:42 am #

      Note to tom clark …

      ‘Nightowl’ (now also ‘Night Owl’, to confuse lower beings, or perhaps to make counting his posts less intuitive?) is a high-IQ individual (or two?), who should be approached with both trepidation and due reverence. And best not disturb him when he’s gazing at his reflection in the pool …

      What I like, though, is that he – with his theories on the increasing frequency and intensity of forest fires worldwide – and the Iranian Ayatollah who confirmed that increased flooding globally is caused by homosexuality, have pretty much got this AGW hoax sewn up between them. 🙂

      Strange bedfellows, once might think, but maybe not?

      • Majella September 13, 2020 at 5:29 pm #

        Re: the two handles – good catch! What’s with that? There must be some perceived advantage to the Narc-troll in that, otherwise why would he set up a second account? I mean, it couldn’t possibly be an error on his part, could it?

    • Night Owl September 13, 2020 at 10:11 am #

      Oh, Tom. You make it so easy. A new member of the low-IQ club, perhaps?



      The usual suspects are raging. Which can mean only one thing: Volltreffer.

      • GreenAlba September 13, 2020 at 10:28 am #

        @Nightowl/Night Owl

        It is confusing to see someone who fancies themselves an ‘editor’ so poor at distinguishing emotions from the written word.

        BTW, your spellchecker’s malfunctioning again, at an *accellerating* pace, one might say.

        But you are coming to be more widely recognised as a troll, which is good.

        Perhaps we could arrange to introduce you to the Iranian Ayatollah? I’m sure the two of you have important work to collaborate on? He’s not great on nuance either.

        • Majella September 13, 2020 at 12:43 pm #

          He should also organize a high-level meeting with the Nigerian “demon sperm” Doctor. He could then introduce her to Dr Ronny “Candyman” Jackson, who could then use her ju-ju to fix DJT’s various ailments (no mini-strokes, mind you), given as how Dr Ronny is the WH Physician (in Narc-troll’s universe).

        • Night Owl September 13, 2020 at 1:44 pm #

          Three posts in a row dedicated to me.

          So easy.

          • Majella September 13, 2020 at 6:12 pm #

            “Dedicated to me”(preen)

            That says it all. This is no fecking fan club, in case you hadn’t noticed.

            Your narcissism competes with that of President DimDon – all he craves is attention, too – and he doesn’t care what sort.

            Yes, I know, this makes it four. I hope you get all excited!

          • Night Owl September 14, 2020 at 2:02 am #

            All it took was a 5-minute Interwebz search.


          • Majella September 14, 2020 at 5:04 am #

            I know you don’t realise it but you’re just a fucking joke.

      • Kim September 13, 2020 at 11:26 am #

        Those are great threads, thanks.

        Fauci telling people to take vitamins c and d for their immune systems. I expect majella to berate him over that, lol.

        • Night Owl September 13, 2020 at 11:58 am #


          RE: Vit. D and C — D is critical. Been on a high-dose for a few years and I have had only one or two minor colds.

          D is actually a hormone, and if you are deficient (most people are), all kinds of nasty stuff can happen.

          As with the carb-rich food pyramid, the guidance from many of our caring authorities on the subject seems to have been rather misleading.

          But hey, docs once recommended smoking, too.

        • Majella September 13, 2020 at 12:33 pm #


          • Majella September 13, 2020 at 12:34 pm #

            I mean, why would I “berate” Fauci for this?

          • Night Owl September 13, 2020 at 1:35 pm #

            I imagine it is because vitamin D was one of your classic conspiracies.

            Rright behind your “Manchurian Candidate” and the “Coming White Ethnostate.”

            At least you have now accepted that it is a hormone. That post was another of your many classics.

          • Sredni Vashtar September 13, 2020 at 2:39 pm #

            She doesn’t even remember – really in all probability. And if the White Ethnostate ever arose, she wouldn’t remember she had ever been opposed to it.

            Nature is Merciful and shields women from what they are.

          • Majella September 13, 2020 at 6:33 pm #


            You’re just making shit up or attributing other posters’ remarks to me, you troll.

            You’re constantly referring to the archive, so go on – go and find my posts wherein I have supposedly

            a) propounded ANY conspiracy theory (except perhaps in sarcasm)

            b) called Vitamin D a ‘conspiracy’

            c) ever referred to the ‘white ethnostate’ you constantly bring up.

            I’m waiting.

          • Kim September 13, 2020 at 10:02 pm #

            @ majella

            How is all of that government anti-sunlight wisdom looking to you now?

            How many people do you suppose had their quality of life damaged and their life-years reduced because of that genius slip, slap, slop campaign?


            Colorectal disease and impaired lung function associated with low levels of vitmain D3.

            So how many cases of lower colorectal cancer can we attribute to the slip-slap-slop campaign, these decades later?


            The role of vitamin D in pulmonary disease: COPD, asthma, infection, and cancer


            Vitamin D Deficiency Associated With Worsening Lung Function in COPD

            You really are a thorough-going I-just-follow-orders stooge for any misinformation a government cares to push at you.

            And guess what, this covid bs has punked you yet again. Will you ever learn?

          • Kim September 13, 2020 at 11:09 pm #

            One of the many ironic things about your support for the promotion of a low-sunlight lifestyle can be found in the fact that, regarding melanoma deaths in Australia, it is more common for people to die of colorectal cancers, a disease that is associated with low levels of D3.

            Doesn’t that amuse you?


            Melanoma is the third most common cancer in Australian men, after prostate and colorectal cancer

            Note that prostate cancers – which are more deadly than melanomas – target men in advanced old age. It is an aged, end-of-life disease.

            Again, slip slap slop was an entirely wrong-headed program and a disaster for Australian public health. Melanomas are not a public health emergency. They never were.

            You have to wonder at the “incompetence” of these public bodies and their plans. Why do they always get it so wrong?

            Why, for example, haven’t they tackled obesity with the same politicized fury and the same totaltiarian police powers that they have covid, or even melanoma? Obesity is certainly more deadly.

            34% of Australians are obese, a condition which is deadly and debilitating throughout life (not just at life-end). It is a phenomenal economic burden on society. So where are the mass closures of supermarkets and why don’t Australians have to use apps that record and regulate their carbs consumption?

            These strategies would not be more invasive than the ridiculous things they are doing for this flu. It would save more lives and greatly reduce public costs. If that is the real issue.

            Why won’t they apply their current extreme strategies to a much more rational and economically sensible target?

            The reason why they don’t do it is that covid is not about health. It is about control, and that is all.

          • Majella September 14, 2020 at 5:24 am #

            Kimmy…don’t you have a real life?

            Spending what must amount to quite some time, desperately trying to firstly misconstrue what I posted, then frantically trying you prove your non-point and finally “ad hominem” manufacturing for no real reason? You must be on a pension, or living off a fat trust fund.

            I’m flattered by the amount of attention you’ve given my simple post about melanoma, which, by the way, was not an “anti vitamin D” conspiracy.

            You’ve proven that YOU, somehow, have come to the conclusion that Australasian governments WANTED to see soaring rates of colorectal cancer by convincing people NOT to be exposed to the wonders of sunshine.

            Jimmy’s theory – “Let’s ignore UVA & UVB. This is just an evil plot by your feckless government to stop you getting a sexy tan! What’s more, we’d like to increase your chances of cancer of the butthole!” What a wanker…

            You see “deep state/five eyes conspiracies” every time you look over your shoulder, because you’ve become infected with the whole CT meme. It’s sad, but ultimately, yawn-inducing, and I don’t care. Waste as much of your limited life looking under the bed every night as you like…I just don’t give a toss.

            Thanks for your walls of text (three! I am flattered!) but in the end, TLDR.

        • Kim September 13, 2020 at 9:48 pm #

          @ majella

          Your ignorant defense of a low-D3 government health strategy can be found in “Back to School D’ya Think?” where you knee-jerk defended the atrocious and ignorant slip, slap, slop campaign.

          In that post, I pointed out that government health advice, both explicit and implied, wrt D3 is crappy health advice. I referred to the very unhealthy and misleading “slip, slap, slop” anti-sunlight campaign in Australia.

          WRT Vitamin D3 and sun exposure I pointed out that the government recommendation in Australia for how much sun a person needs was 5-10 minutes a day on face and hands in the summer.

          I pointed out that this was terrible advice as it is based on the “minimum requirement” in order to avoid rickets. This amount of D3 is of course grossly inadequate to a person’s real need for D3.

          You responded to my comments by quoting the government’s skin cancer propaganda/statistics that tell us that 2000 people a year in Australia die of skin cancers.

          These stats do their best to conceal the fact that the vast majority of people who die of skin cancer in Australia are in their 70s and downplayed the role of severe sunburns – not casual or even regular or even extended exposure, but repeated severe burning – in the development of skin cancers.

          Most important of all, the campaign neglected to tell people that by hiding from the sun they were failing to acquire the levels of D3 that the human body in fact needs for optimal health.

          No, we just got ridiculous and overblown fear-tactics and a fake public health emergency producing policies based on the usual combination of bureacratic over-confidence, bureaucratic ignorance, and the leftist desire to bully.

          In this respect, the slip, slap, slop campaign was a template for the lunatic corona-panic we have today, with people following rules and protocols that are not only a waste of time and intrinsically unhealthy – it is not good to rebreathe one’s own air all day – but are “protecting” them from a danger that for the vast majority of people is almost non-existent.

          “Slip slap slop” was yet another example of government over-reach and crappy health advice which, if you followed it, would be as bad for your health as other bad government health advice like eating the food pyramid (almost a guarantee of far more deadly conditions under the heading of obesity).

          Skin cancer is not some killer lurking out there in the evil sunlight waiting to snatch us away to the netherworld. It is a condition related to old age and to having probably got out into the sun and lived your life well, as opposed to cowering inside the house for 70 years.

          D3 is good. Sunlight is good. We need it. We need D3 today more than just 20% of the population need to be scared of skin cancers in their old age.

          • Majella September 14, 2020 at 5:28 am #

            What? Was all that for li’l ol’ ME? TLDR.

            Go find another bone to chew on. And take you twinsy-narc-troll with you. *yawn*

          • Majella September 14, 2020 at 5:47 am #

            Hang on…I just caught a line of your NJCT there, and it can’t go inremarked upon:

            ‘… the slip, slap, slop campaign was a template for the lunatic corona-panic we have today, with people following rules and protocols that are not only a waste of time and intrinsically unhealthy…

            See, that’s where you LOSE your audience. That campaign was born in the 1970s, but you’re associating it with the current CT du Jour.

            If you’re NOT an Australian, you may never have met anyone who has suffered the rapid and ugly death that melanoma causes in people of all ages. If you ARE an Australian, then you’re being a complete drongo, mate.

            Your own statement says that melanoma is the 3rd most common cancer/death in Ostraya, AND that colorectal cancer is higher, but in older Diggers.

            Did you research identify any significance in the incidence of charred barbecue meat-eating among this group? Like since they could walk till their untimely demise at 68? Or should they have laid on the beach, covered up, except for their rectum pointed at old Sol?

            You’re nearly as ridiculous as your partner-in-trolling, Nightowl (or his doppelgänger, Night Owl). You guys could do a comedy duo act, where you compete to tell the most ludicrous CTs and make the snarkiest ad hominems. It’ll be a huge hit at 3am on Channel 69, in Buttfuck, Arkansas.

          • Majella September 14, 2020 at 5:52 am #

            One last question – are you, in fact, Australian? No answer means, to my mind’ ‘Yes, but I’m ashamed to admit it’.

  78. Sredni Vashtar September 13, 2020 at 12:50 am #

    By Mrs Peggy Smith on the Battle Hymn of the Republic

    Whenever I hear a Southern voice or a Southern band giving vent to that despicable “Battle Hymn of the Republic” I wince. And then I wonder. I wonder if the renderers are plain stupid or if they are maliciously anti-South. That song is the most venomous ever written. The heart of it, if you will listen to its words, expresses the determination of its author to destroy Southern people. And yet, today, Southern bands — public-school bands, mostly — are to be heard thumping away at the malign thing. I heard it twice, last January, during George Wallace’s inaugural parade. Recall its phrases: “… (W)e will trample out the vineyards where the grapes of wrath are stored” …”let us die to make men free” …”as we go marching on.” “Those “grapes of wrath” are you, my friend, if you are a Southern person, you are the one to be trampled.

    Let me tell you the story. Julia Ward Howe, the biddy who wrote those lyrics, was a queer admixture of sex, piety, poetry, reform, and busybody. As such, she was the quintessence of a Victorian breed of cat indigenous to the North during the middle years of the Nineteenth Century. Such as she were known as Abolitionists and they were responsible for more “trampling” than any sect in this nation’s history. The war of Northern Aggression began in April of ’61. Some seven months later this roving eyed woman was to be found in Washington, whisking in and whisking out of this soldier’s tent and that: At age 42, Julia Ward had come down from her Boston home to “minister” to “the boys.” Between “ministrations,” she holed up at the Willard hotel and there — there or in some tent or another, the evidence is not clear — one November night, that first year of the war, she put her feelings to paper. The thought behind her words has been marching ever since.

    The composition, itself, is strictly second-rate-stuff — as, indeed, was Julia — and had there been only words, it is likely once her “poem” was published, that would have been the end of it. But there was the music, too, and that was different. It is a stirring martial melody. And so, piggy-back, stirring music has kept alive Julia Ward Howe’s words of hate. Oddly enough, nobody knows who wrote the tune. Like the Ministering Angel, herself, the music has a clouded history. So far as I can learn, it was first known as a Methodist hymn, “Brother Will You Meet Us?” Later, as “Hallelujah.”

    Sumter had been fired on the preceding April. Perhaps a month after that, in May, at a flag-raising ceremony at Fort Warren near Boston, the old hymn was sung to different words. The new lyrics honored a recently-departed victim of a straight-shooting Confederate. As a patriotic, war-time tune, it caught on. That version became known as “John Brown’s Body” (not the John Brown of Harper’s Ferry infamy). Months later, somebody replaced John Brown with Julia’s “poem” and there we have it. I offer the true significance behind today’s use of the song is to be seen in the fact that it is not sung under its original words or title but as “The Battle Hymn of the Republic.” Such is the legacy of a hate-filled harridan; her spleen goes marching on.

    None of this information is obscure. I am as confident as I can be the recent resurgence of the tune was an inspired resurgence. And I am equally confident those creepy little vixens in our Southern public schools who teach it to their students do so with malice aforethought. Believe me, we’ve got a passel of weevils working our corn meal. So, next time you hear the repulsive thing, ask whoever is in charge if they know its significance. When they deny such knowledge, tell them the story I have told you and watch their “surprised” reaction. Suggest they try “Dixie.” Observe their reaction then.

    * * *

    Source: Liberty Bell magazine, January 1985

  79. BackRowHeckler September 13, 2020 at 9:10 am #

    Battle Hymn of the Republic, that’s so quaint.

    Songs of the South, 2020:

    ‘Wet Ass Pussy’ – Cardi B

    ‘Smell Yo Dick’ – Riskay

    There, that’s what ‘Youts’ are singing in Atlanta, Memphis and New Orleans.


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    • Kim September 13, 2020 at 9:32 am #

      I have said it here, they are simply an anticivizational race.

    • elysianfield September 13, 2020 at 11:35 am #

      “Smell Yo Dick’ – Riskay”

      Riskay’s version is so…derivative.

      Lil’ Kim’s version was performed in so heartfelt a manner that you can visualize the horrors of slavery and insipient racism that blacks have been subjected to for…what? 2000 years? Make it 3000.

      Even though Lil’ Kim was only 16 when she performed what could arguably be called the pinnacle of black cultural achievement, she displayed the pathos and emotional depth that blacks are well known for. She opened her heart…laid her emotions bare. Dylan was given a Nobel Prize for his work…notably “Masters of War”, “God on our Side”, and a “Hard rain’s gonna Fall”. Lil’ Kim…nothing!

      Just another God Damned racial insult. This denial ain’t gonna stand…

      No Nobel, We Rebel!

      No Loot, We Shoot!


      • elysianfield September 13, 2020 at 11:44 am #

        “…Why you comin’ home at 5 in the morning?
        “Something’s goin on, I wanna smell yo dick”~Lil Kim

        Pavarotti singing “Ave Maria”? Why, I would knock him on his ass and walk over his back to get to a Lil Kim concert.

        • beantownbill. September 13, 2020 at 1:32 pm #

          Ya gotta admit, it may be a very effective method to learn whether or not a man is cheating on you. I just picture a man coming home from work every night: “Honey, I’m home!” “Hey, you know what you gotta do, drop trou; let me smell yo’ dick!”

          • Sredni Vashtar September 13, 2020 at 2:01 pm #

            Many Jews into Jazz or owning Record stores ended up with Black women. Remember Skippy White? During the rioting the stores on either side of him got trashed, but not his.

      • BackRowHeckler September 13, 2020 at 2:08 pm #

        Back in the day, Foxxy Brown’s posse shot it out with Li’L Kim’s posse on the streets of lower Manhattan. Cause for concern was that a soldier in Foxy Brown’ posse deployed a full auto Thompson, which was never recovered, but determined to have been stolen from a Class 3 dealer in Pennsy.


  80. BackRowHeckler September 13, 2020 at 9:21 am #

    Two Sheriffs Deputies ambushed and shot last night in LA, suspect appears to be young Community Member, who remains at large. Too late, too late for this BLM Freedom Fighter to have his name stitched on the backs of NFL jerseys (this weekend), and his visage broadcast on NFL scoreboards. He missed opening weekend, but there is always next Sunday, plenty of time for ESPN to honor this revolutionary hero.


    • Kim September 13, 2020 at 9:35 am #

      Man, people are going to be sooooo glad they kept their guns.

      • BackRowHeckler September 13, 2020 at 2:30 pm #

        Speaking of that, at 2:30 am dog started barking, woke up to see a car out front. There have been nightly auto theft raids in our towns and rural areas made by ‘Youts’, who aren’t showing up to discuss SJW issues and thank us for the generous largess we provide in taxes to pay for their housing, medical care, housing and so on … in Ridgefield last week a family lost 2 cars in one night, not sure about the details but as citizens have wised up and secured their cars attempts are being made to enter residences and seize car keys (and other property) by force. Needless to say I grabbed my shotgun.

        Then I heard 2 short beeps on a horn and I could see it was my nephew, proudly holding up a giant fish. Apparently he was returning from a charter fishing trip on Lake Ontario, stopped to drop off a 35 lb. Salmon — what a monster. He had a cooler full of them. Sunrise found us out front cleaning them, and cutting it up into steaks. We got enough Salmon here to last the winter.


    • Sredni Vashtar September 13, 2020 at 1:59 pm #

      Apparently a dwarf (but that was left out of the description – it might offend the little people) and described only as “wearing dark clothing”. Skin color? Unknown, but I think we can assume White. They cause all the problems.

      • beantownbill. September 13, 2020 at 2:14 pm #

        He looked short because of the camera angle.

  81. Night Owl September 13, 2020 at 10:33 am #

    Update to a previous post on this subject: It seems the total number of phones that Mueller, Weissman, and co. wiped during the Russia Hoax is now up to 31.

    31 phones — some reportedly wiped twice.


    What a collection of morons. Explains Mueller’s bumbling testimony. If you are gonna do a coup, do it right.

  82. beantownbill. September 13, 2020 at 2:11 pm #

    Channel surfing last evening, I came upon a Major League Baseball game. Now, please bear with me as I must divert a bit. You will see why.

    I saw a movie back in 1984 called the ‘Lonely Guy’, starring Steve Martin. It was about lonely guys who split from their wives or girlfriends and moped along as singles. There was this one scene where Martin goes to his friend Charles Grodin‘s, a real sad sack, party. When Martin gets there, he at first sees several people in attendance, but upon a closer look, realizes the people are not real, but cardboard cutouts, and Grodin is alone. I thought it was funny at the time, so I’ve always remembered it.

    To return to last night: So I’m looking at the game with my nephew. The camera focuses on the batter, and in the background are all the fans watching in the stands, making the usual fan noises. I thought that only a few fans were supposed to be in attendance because of the pandemic. I commented on that to my nephew, who said to watch the fans as the camera panned across them. Then I realized: None of the fans were moving, all sitting perfectly still and looking flat. They weren’t real, they were cut-outs. And probably the fan noises were outtakes from real games in the past. The whole thing was an illusion so that viewers could feel like things were normal.

    That got me thinking what else isn’t real? We are being manipulated in all aspects of our lives; we’re really living in the matrix. It’s very scary.

    As for current pro sports on tv, I’m disgusted at the illusion. I switched channels immediately, and promised myself I wouldn’t watch any of it until this whole pandemic situation is over, if ever. $400,000,000 salaries and they couldn’t even give us the real thing? Bah!

    • Sredni Vashtar September 13, 2020 at 2:35 pm #

      It’s time for you to read David Icke.

      • beantownbill. September 13, 2020 at 4:30 pm #

        I will soon. I was going to anyway.

        • Majella September 13, 2020 at 7:25 pm #

          It’s a right royal rabbit-hole, Bill.

          • beantownbill. September 13, 2020 at 8:02 pm #

            I know, but to me I’m always interested in learning how far the boundaries extend.

          • Night Owl September 14, 2020 at 2:14 am #

            Indeed. Manchurian Candidate. Possible smoking gun.

            Interested parties should check with Maj for the details — bring your napkin and pen.

    • BackRowHeckler September 13, 2020 at 2:45 pm #

      It is pretty lame, Bill. I tuned in the first game on the belated opening day; when multi millionaire players dropped to their knees at the National Anthem, I turned it off.

      The NFL and ESPN are going after fans in KC for booing during woke ceremonies at the KC – Houston game. What a business strategy huh, ragging on your fans. Sounds like a winner.

      I hope all of them go bankrupt.

      On a brighter note last night in LA BLM mob stopped buses full of ‘Journalists’ leaving the NBA playoff game, causing some uncomfortable moments. I wonder if it will change any minds at ESPN, BLM/Antifa’s biggest shills?


  83. Sredni Vashtar September 13, 2020 at 2:17 pm #

    KOIN News

    Relatives are trying to piece together the events that led to the deaths of a boy, his grandmother and the family dog as a wildfire consumed their Oregon home earlier this week.

    Deputies in Marion County, Oregon said they found the remains of 13-year-old Wyatt Tofte and 71-year-old Peggy Mosso inside of a vehicle. According to family members, Wyatt’s dog Duke was in his lap — a fact that has brought some small amount of comfort to those who loved him.

    Search and rescuers had been looking for Wyatt since he ran from his home as the Beachie Creek Fire approached on Tuesday afternoon.

    Family members told KOIN 6 News the power had gone out earlier at the house and Wyatt’s dad had left to try and find a generator so he wasn’t home when the fire reached their home. Wyatt’s mom Angie Mosso woke up to fire surrounding their home with no way out.

    Wyatt’s mom, Angie Mosso, helped her elderly mother — who was ailing from a broken leg — into the car. But the tires were burning.

    “The flames were all around it and around the car,” said Wyatt’s great aunt, Mary Tofte.

    “If I was in that situation and I thought it was life or death, I would tell my child to run,” said another great aunt named Susan Vaslev.

    At about the same time, Wyatt’s dad Chris Tofte was desperately trying to reach his family. He blew past road blocks as he traveled toward his home.

    Chris came upon a woman crawling along the road but didn’t recognize her. He stopped for her but was frantic to continue on and rescue his family.

    “He helps her into the car and then he’s saying, ‘I’m really sorry but I’ve got to keep going because my family is up there,’” said Susan. “He said, ‘I got to get up to my son and my wife.’”

    That’s when the woman, who was badly burned, whispered that she was his wife.

    Chris drove Angie back to a checkpoint and handed her off to paramedics. Then he drove back into the inferno to look for his son. But his efforts were in vain.

    Deputies with the Marion County Sheriff’s Office found Wyatt’s remains, along with the remains of his grandmother and dog, after clearing a path through a charred hellscape the next morning. They were found inside the family car.

    “He got in there and tried to drive the car and started coming down the hill and then went off to the side for some reason,” Susan said. “I guess all the tires were just burned up and everything, the pavement was so hot.”

    Anglin: Wyatt died a hero, attempting to protect his grandma and his dog.

    SV: The Feds stated that the rumors of these fires being set by Antifa is a conspiracy theory. They’ve investigated! Uh, no they haven’t. That would take a lot more time to do. Sounds to me like they’re running cover for them just like the rest of the Establishment, inlcluding AG Barr.

    • Night Owl September 13, 2020 at 2:29 pm #

      Hey, bro. Listen up. The earth is very angry about Donald Trump right now and is randomly starting fires in multiple states at an unprecidented rate.

      Pay no attention to those videos of people starting fires.


    • BackRowHeckler September 13, 2020 at 3:02 pm #

      Well, in Oregon and Washington BLM/Antifa rabble are immune from prosecution anyway, so what does it matter if they are arrested?

      The anti world thugs in the streets, the governor, big city mayors and Attorneys General, are on the same side. That’s what people need to understand.

      To get right down to the nexus of the BLM movement it is an attempt to make the streets safe for criminals and gangters, so they can operate unfettered and unhindered, without interference from law enforcement. That’s what its really all about.


    • Kim September 13, 2020 at 8:46 pm #

      Tell the FBI a noose was found. They’ll send a dozen agents to investigate.

  84. Sredni Vashtar September 13, 2020 at 2:32 pm #


    The tower is now George 40 or some such nonsense (Alba will correct me) after George Floyd (Alba will see nothing wrong in this). After all, Hume thought Blacks were inferior to Whites – as all sane people do.

    Men and Wo-Men like David Hume, Bertrand Russell, Green Alba, and Beantown Bill, despite their intellects, only see the skeleton of life, never the living body. The minds categorize and in so doing, reduce. Dissect, and in so doing, kill the living reality.

    One is reminded of the “Tookie” madness of decades ago. Tookie, a murderer and thus worse than George Floyd, was a cause celebre. Outraged at his indifference, Arnold’s Austrian home town named a playing field after Tookie. Arnold gave back the key to the city in disgust.

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    • Sredni Vashtar September 13, 2020 at 3:11 pm #

      The University official said: We won’t stop reading him or get rid of his books, but there’s no reason his name should be on the highest point of the campus.

      But there is some reason that a Black criminal’s name should be?

      • Rupert September 14, 2020 at 9:36 am #

        If the University is following that line of reasoning to its conclusion then all of its buildings should be named for Christian martyrs and saints, or perhaps only for Jesus or some such.

        Though I suppose naming it for St. George of Overdose is religious in its own way. I despise their new religion, however.

    • beantownbill. September 13, 2020 at 4:43 pm #

      Gee, thanks for including my intellect with David Hume and Bertrand Russell. I know you didn’t mean it as a compliment, but still…

      Also please explain what you were trying to say about us as I’m not grokking it. So much for my intellect, huh?

  85. SoftStarLight September 13, 2020 at 2:37 pm #

    Gavin Newsom said he has no patience for climate change deniers. But why is Gavin Newsom a Carbon Bigfoot? His opulent mansion, lavish lifestyle, and winery and hospitality investments lay at the feets of the gods of organic ooze. Why Lord are we chastised for seeking and finding solace in You? Is Gavin nothing more than a Pharisee too? Most wise in the letter of the law and at the same time above the law. Rather it is the Carbon Bigfoots and Pharisees that are the enemies of the earth and all life.

    • Sredni Vashtar September 13, 2020 at 3:09 pm #

      Carbon Bigfoot. That’s gold. Someone should be paying you. But alas you are a freelancer like me. Just Olympic Athletes who compete for the Glory of God, our only physical reward to be a laurel wreath in this world – but a Crown in the Heavens and Mansion Worlds.

    • Kim September 13, 2020 at 10:08 pm #

      Don’t forget that Newsom is also making it easier for homosexual child rapists to be treated just as well under the law as hetero child rapists.

      There has to be equity, you see. That is what is most important.

  86. Night Owl September 13, 2020 at 2:41 pm #

    Hey, I said these unprecedented fires had nothing to do with this merry looking chap or anyone like him! The earth got really angry all at once!


    • BackRowHeckler September 13, 2020 at 3:06 pm #

      Hostis Humani Generis

      Enemies of the Human Race.

    • SoftStarLight September 13, 2020 at 5:13 pm #

      Is he an orc?

    • Kim September 13, 2020 at 10:11 pm #

      Handsome man, not. I wonder if these people are so resentful and destructive because they are so ugly?

  87. Sredni Vashtar September 13, 2020 at 3:22 pm #


    This won’t go anywhere. If it did, like Ariadne’s thread, it would lead to the Heads of the New World Order.

    • SoftStarLight September 13, 2020 at 5:08 pm #

      I think you are right. It is very telling that Obama actually vetoed the bill that allows citizens to sue the Saudi officials in the first place. He said it would lead to foreign lawsuits against American officials. But I suppose that assumes that American officials would get involved in terror plots in foreign lands? Did you know that Bush allowed many high level Saudi nationals to leave the US on chartered flights in the days after 9/11?

      • Sredni Vashtar September 13, 2020 at 6:46 pm #

        I remember that, and the Bin Ladin family members being let out without being questioned and the Israeli movers AND the dancing Israelis on a nearby building. Why wouldn’t they be happy? Their project had succeeded and America was coming to the Middle East to fight for them.

        And the journo who announced Bldg 7 had fallen when it hadn’t fallen yet.

  88. beantownbill. September 13, 2020 at 5:21 pm #

    I used to have liberal leanings in several areas, as CFNers know from reading my comments over the years. But that liberalism is steadily being driven out of me by events over the last several years, especially now.

    I’ve always been a believer in law and order in general. What’s been going on this year is way over the top and out of hand. It’s getting to the point where I considered not reading the news at all. But I unfortunately have an innate curiosity to know what’s happening around me. So, I read the news, but I force myself to be unemotionally about it because I dislike walking around angry all the time.

    I think those haters are eventually coming for me after November. My survival is iffy. I would fight much harder if I were younger. I feel good, but let’s face it, I’m not at the same physical level I once was. I’m 75, which is 5 years more than what the Bible says I should be given. I suppose I could get myself in great shape by training much more extensively, but for what purpose? I’ve accomplished much of what I originally set out to do. I could always just metaphorically sit back on my porch and watch the world go by. But that world is not acceptable to me. I hate what’s going on.

    I’m not depressed at all. I’m leading a great life. I’m just trying to emotionally prepare for what I think is going to happen. I suppose I’ll fight, but I know what the result will be.

    • Kevvia Knack September 13, 2020 at 5:40 pm #

      Bill, what do you think is going to happen? I’m not sure if you have gone into detail writing about it before

      • beantownbill. September 13, 2020 at 7:15 pm #


        I tend to follow a few operating principles. First thing, no one knows the future, so anything could happen or not. I also make estimates, more or less, of the likelihood of any event occurring. When any person or group or organization gains any power, they are reluctant to give it up. Everything changes except change itself (that’s the main principle of the I Ching) which means things always eventually change).

        I think that law and order has broken down – that’s certainly change – and those that are breaking it feel empowered, so they have no motivation to stop. The primary people that have the power to stop the breakdown, politicians, have no motivation to do that, only to pander to those with more power than them in order to get re-elected. Those with more power than the politicians are what’s called the deep state, or billionaires, or the military-industrial complex or the establishment. They are the exceedingly greedy ones – they want to win the whole pot.

        Both sides, Republicans and Democrats, have said on the record they will not accept the results of the election if their candidate doesn’t win. Someone will eventually be declared a winner. That means one side won’t accept the results. That’s a sure happenstance for social unrest. Both sides will not quit until they are wiped out or totally exhausted, which would take a long time. The last time, the Civil War, it took 4 years to end overt hostilities.

        I estimate the probability of this occurring is about 70%. There will be a lot of sabotage: attacks on infrastructures like power stations, poisoning of water supplies, and who knows what else. A world made by hand is a distinct possibility. It will be incumbent on each individual to do what he/she can to survive; it will come to that – survival. Store up as much extra food, water and fuel as you can, buy a lot of candles or electric-powered batteries for flashlights and other
        devices, If possible, get a handgun, rifle or shotgun, even though many detest them. Buy a few tactical knives. Most of all, don’t trust anyone – this is most difficult, I know. Don’t let anyone know, and by knowing, I also include seeing lights on when it’s dark out, or smelling food, This list is very far from complete, but everyone starts somewhere.

        I know this sounds like I may have a runaway, rabid imagination. But this has happened many times before in once-stable societies. 70% probability is about odds of 2 1/2 to 1 of occurring. If that was a horse in a horse race, it would be considered a likely favorite. This is why I am somewhat pessimistic about things working out ok in the near-term. Of course, such bad times may not happen, we can only hope. I’m not a prophet, just a humble gambler. I fervently hope I’m wrong.

        • Kevvia Knack September 13, 2020 at 7:44 pm #

          Thank you, Bill. No, I don’t think you have a runaway imagination at all. You explained everything with remarkable clarity. Thank you for defining “Deep State”. I’ve been anxious about November for several months. I will not be buying a gun, but i agree it is a wise idea to stock up on food and other essential items soon. I think there will be rioting and mayhem but of course we cannot truly predict the extent of it.

    • tucsonspur September 13, 2020 at 5:42 pm #

      Are you sure that they’ll really be coming after you?

      They say that growing old isn’t for sissies. Change the viewpoint. You are Fortunate to have that innate curiosity.

      Remember, ‘the unexamined life is not worth living’, or something like that.

      Be positive. No suppose about it. “Be the best you can be”. ‘Fight’ as much as you can. But there’s nothing wrong with being a concerned spectator at your age.

      • beantownbill. September 13, 2020 at 7:36 pm #

        Yeah, I’m pretty sure. Look where I live. In one of the most politically liberal areas of the country. You wouldn’t believe how naive my neighbors are. If gangs ripped through my neighborhood, my neighbors would gladly open their doors for them. I am somewhat hidden in the woods, but I’m fairly close to ultra-liberal, low income neighborhoods. Mobs wouldn’t come to my neighborhood right away, but would after awhile. I know enough about strategy to realize I’m fairly vulnerable. Ah, well.

        I am fortunate, more fortunate than I ever thought possible. As far as innate curiosity is concerned, well you know what happened to the cat. And yeah, I will fight as hard as I can; I like being alive.

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  89. tucsonspur September 13, 2020 at 5:46 pm #

    It’s always like a heavyweight fight, isn’t it? A slugfest for the title of political champion and world leader. And like the fights, it sometimes turns out to be no contest, a one sided mismatch like the Nixon landslide over McGovern in 1972.

    That scenario might also have been the case here in 2020, but the Chinks shipped Trump the covid early on, and his footwork hasn’t been the same since. Trump has taken many nasty shots from his opponents, like wicked left hooks to the liver, head butts, low blows to the balls, rabbit punches and kidney punches, and even sneaky Romney roundhouses.

    Bilge rat Bob Woodward also sets Trump up early on, slipping him nine hours of Mickey Finn interviews. Can Lindsey Graham, who promoted the interview, be trusted? I don’t think so. He seems a rather slithery Senator, one likely to be sitting around eating Sally Lunns and sucking cocks.

    So now Trump goes into the main event on November 3rd, already so bruised and battered and weakened, that no reputable physician in the world would even let him get near the ring, let alone enter it.

    But enter it he will. Nobody to blame but himself, for taking the Mickey. Maybe he can withstand the punches to come regardless, maybe not. Biden, once a 98lb., wheezing asthmatic of an opponent, now seems fit and trim and ready for the bout. Many deep state trainers are in his corner, ready to remove the glove padding and make with the Plaster of Paris.

    Does somebody up there like Trump? Some one better. A lot of people down here hate him. How hard will he fall to the cruddy covid canvas after taking the Mickey? Who knows. No, Trump wasn’t crying out ‘no mas’ like Duran did in the second fight against Leonard, he was crying out, ‘no mask, no mask’ instead.

    Thank him when Kamala Harris gets the title.

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  90. tucsonspur September 13, 2020 at 7:22 pm #

    Is Chris Wallace at Fox news out to ‘get’ Trump, or is he just telling it like it is?


    • Majella September 13, 2020 at 7:49 pm #


      Wallace is one of the few journalists that Trumpian types will agree to be interviewed by, well up until now at least. He tells it like it is.

      • BackRowHeckler September 13, 2020 at 7:56 pm #

        When will Biden be sitting down for an interview with Chris Wallace?

      • tucsonspur September 13, 2020 at 8:43 pm #

        Yes, he does so most of the time Maj, and therein lies the dilemma. Our major conservative ‘news’ outlet goes full blast honest and truthful, and in doing so ruins our Republican candidate’s chances in the election. Will it be honesty or victory? If victory, Wallace and others have to tone it down, back it up a bit.

        And yes, when the hell will Biden or Harris or any of the others in that primed, protected pack be subject to the same tough questioning and analysis?

        • Majella September 14, 2020 at 12:48 pm #

          TC, I’m afraid your Republican candidate ruined his own electoral changes all by himself, in that interview. Don’t blame Wallace who simply fact-checked him in real time. This should have started 5 years ago.

      • Kim September 13, 2020 at 10:13 pm #

        Seven pingbacks for this post. What does that mean?

      • JohnAZ September 13, 2020 at 11:21 pm #

        Until he gives to the other side what he gives to Trump,

        Not fair and balanced. NewsMax.

  91. tom clark September 13, 2020 at 8:56 pm #

    Had supper on the porch tonite (daylight is getting short here in flyover country}. At least I got to eat…an increasing number of people don’t these days, but who gives a shit about them anyway?. We’re all in it for ourselves, now. bring on CW2. Supper was great until the smoke from western arson fires rolled in. Never seen anything like it in 45 years. My beautiful blue skies are ruined (double entendre intended). Global warming is a Chinese hoax and those damn Commies keep setting fires in the overheated and dried out west. What’s a fella to do? I’m sure someone on this pissed out website will tell me. TC

    • JohnAZ September 13, 2020 at 11:19 pm #