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What Gives

     The awesome exertions of the global banking system to evade the mandates of reality finally yield in a sickening slippage to epochal unwind. What a bad idea: to try to juke nature itself. In case you weren’t paying attention over the weekend – and who really wants to? – the cosmic Brinks truck of free money went over a cliff, and the darn thing will keep free-falling until (at least) the American markets open again on Tuesday.
    So, everybody and his uncle over in Europe got a sovereign debt downgrade and now the math changes for all the pretend bail-outs and back-stops that had been so exquisitely rigged through the long, nauseating autumn. Math is an annoying representation of reality, but hard to argue with. Bail-outs and back-stops finally became unaffordable even as poetic constructs.
     Thus, we also approach the dreaded inflection point for the credit default swaps. Nobody believes that this Mount Everest of jive bond “insurance” can actually pay out, since the first instance of any attempt will bankrupt everybody. And yet there are the holders of all that paper who will object to, say, an 80 percent haircut on their Greek (and other) bonds. Surely some of them will try to invoke their CDS contracts. What then? Three possibilities that I see: 1) all parties and counter-parties go down the drain faster than you can say Benedict Cumberbatch; 2) all parties declare in unison that CDS were a prank that should now just be ignored, as if the cast of Downton Abbey showed up naked at the dinner table; and 3) every sort of loan on God’s Green Earth is instantly re-priced and the entire world turns into a flea market. How will America do with its stock of slightly pre-owned Dunkin’ Donuts stores, a million-odd Elvis lunch-boxes, and all those old videos of Friends? Don’t you wish you’d invested in some hand tools?
     In the background of these grave machinations lurks the tragedy of Iran. Subtract the Islamic maniacs who seized the levers of government there thirty-three years ago, and you’d actually find a perfectly modern society, complete with industries, skyscrapers, highways, TV  shows, and people eating nice food in restaurants. One can understand why the last Shah was hated and resented. But here you now have a whole class of despotic maniacs much worse than the Shah ever was and they cannot be gotten rid of. Worse, they are devoted to exacting vengeance on the USA and its kindred western nations.
     This may be just a tragic case of collective psychological scripting, but it is tending in the direction of a full-dress play-out. Our government believes that their government is determined to build an atomic bomb. Iran’s government says, over and over, “…what an idea…!” The trouble is, our guys don’t buy their vaudeville act. They will not be allowed to have a bomb, and that’s all there is to it. We are doing everything short of all-out war to prevent it, but let’s face it, a lot of these things could be construed as acts of war: Stuxnet attacks… blowing up nuclear scientists in their cars. These things are making already-crazy people even crazier, and more reckless.
     If events continue down this path then there will be some action in the Persian Gulf. The oil markets will be thrown into disarray. Iran may sink a US naval vessel or two, but we know about their sunburn missiles and we won’t put the whole fleet in harm’s way, and before too long we will fuck them up very badly. The Iranians are capable of busting up a lot stuff in their neighborhood even as their air force is vaporized and their electric grid goes down. They could launch missiles into the Saudi Arabian oil terminals, for instance. Surely they will try to rain hell down on Israel. That would be a recipe for turning Teheran into an ashtray and a terrible tragedy for those otherwise normal Iranians who are not religious maniacs who wanted nothing more than to raise their children and once in a while go out for a nice lamb dinner.
      I don’t see any percentage in China and Russia coming into this rumble, though more than a couple of European nations may want to forget their troubles for a moment and, at least, cheerlead from the sidelines.
     The result of all this – if the action doesn’t get totally out-of-hand – is sure to be a gigantic step down in worldwide energy consumption, trade, and advanced economic activity. It would make the Great Depression look like a sit-com. The American suburban nexus would fail in a matter of weeks. The USA would have to commence the greatest work-around the world has ever seen. In the event, governments everywhere are liable to fall, even here, with elections postponed. There will be little in the way of real money to repair all the things that are falling apart. 
      Most amazing of all is how quiet the world scene has been, really, since 2001. The buildup of tensions must be out-of-this world. Something had to give.
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1,065 Responses to “What Gives”

  1. kulturcritic* January 16, 2012 at 10:08 am #

    The corporate State is becoming ever tighter as a noose around our necks James. Something must give, and soon. kulturCritic
    http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/corps-etat-the-corporate-state/

  2. Leibowitz Society January 16, 2012 at 10:09 am #

    We are facing the inevitable — a collapse of the modern world — yet continue to distract ourselves day in and day out with worthless ideas and futile pastimes.
    Visit the Leibowitz Society at http://leibowitzsociety.blogspot.com/2012/01/distractions.html for discussion on our continuing collapse, as well as a way forward once the dust has settled.

  3. HeadingOut January 16, 2012 at 10:17 am #

    The Endarkenment of America continues.
    Get out while you can: http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2012/01/13/regarding-vipr-teams/

  4. lbendet January 16, 2012 at 10:21 am #

    The inevitability of war.
    Thanks as always for your fine analysis of all tings that are peaking. And there are so many to count it couldn’t all fit on this blog..
    I believe that Russian and China have made statements that they will consider our attack on Iran to be an attack on them. We are playing a maneuver to curtail China’s ability to get more oil, but of course we want them to do all our manufacturing at slave labor rates—(so what gives?)
    Dylan Ratigan in discussing the giant ($1.4 quad. in the value of nothing, has said we should impose a Marshall plan on the debt we know will never be paid off instead of starting a world war to wipe it out. Yes why go through the disasters and carnage when you can just excuse the debt and wipe it clean since it’ all over the world?
    Well, ya know the banks won’t tolerate it. They can bet with no money backing the bets and everyone else has to pay, of course. That’s the free market the Republicans tout is so wonderful–so uniquely American, don’t you see.

  5. Barter4Booze January 16, 2012 at 10:22 am #

    ‘Nature itself’? Last I heard, Jim Nature was unequivocally female. I guess unfolding time, influenced heavily the the behavior of ‘the boyz’ will show whether or not Nature is A cruel Mother, a harsh mistress, or simply a bitch! Best not to mess with her, right?

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  6. Desertrat January 16, 2012 at 10:24 am #

    “Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?”
    Doug Casey has some parallel commentary about the money thing at http://lewrockwell.com/casey/casey104.html
    I dunno. Like many of us who go along with a lot of the views of Kunstler and Casey, we comment to others and get some variant of “Who is John Galt?” and a shrug. After all, the Patriots won, as did some others–and the Super Bowl is on the horizon. Nascar starts in February, although testing is underway. And Oprah is just really, really important.

  7. Onthego January 16, 2012 at 10:25 am #

    Speaking of Europe, in a story out of the UK: “Children ‘dumped in streets by Greek parents who can’t afford to look after them any more’”
    “Children are being abandoned on Greece’s streets by their poverty-stricken families who cannot afford to look after them any more. Youngsters are being dumped by their parents who are struggling to make ends meet in what is fast becoming the most tragic human consequence of the Euro crisis.”
    Think it can’t or won’t happen here, if things get tough enough? I wouldn’t bet on it. Already the US Census Bureau reports the highest percentage of multi-generation families living together since the 1950s.
    Another sobering note from the same Greek story: “Further evidence of Greeks feeling the pinch of austerity measures is the lack of aspirin and other medicines now available in the country. Pharmacists are struggling to stock their shelves as the Greek government, which sets the prices for drugs, keeps them artificially low. This means that firms are turning to sell the drugs outside of the country for a higher price – leading to stock depletion for Greeks.”
    Common drugs like aspirin going to the highest bidder, which no longer includes Greece. Where this will end is not a place we will enjoy ending up. Already too many drugs in America are in short supply, because the multi-national pharmaceutical companies pursue a policy of taking care of their richest clients first.
    As for the Middle East, one can only be sourly amused at the thought of Mr. O-BOMB-a telling the Israelis not to start a war with Iran; apparently he is reserving that honor for himself.

  8. Jagger January 16, 2012 at 10:28 am #

    If we left Iran alone, I strongly suspect they would leave everyone else alone. They certainly don’t have a history of aggression over the last few centuries unlike Israel or the US. But Isreal and our 1% want Iran put down, so they will sic the great big dumb dog, the 99%, on to Iran. When history looks back on this timeframe, I suspect we are going to be judged as the predators.

  9. charliefoxtrot January 16, 2012 at 10:28 am #

    …if by 2001 you mean january 20th, when jeb elected his brother…of course to me that was only a visible symptom of an empire birthed in november, ’63…love the symbolism, though- i wonder when the world at large (meaning those outside of alternative media streams) will realize that our entire governmental apparati around the planet are running to the naked orgy over at goldman’s?

  10. bubbleheadMarc January 16, 2012 at 10:31 am #

    The reason no one is currently afraid of the United States is because they haven’t yet gone nuclear over this crap in the middle east. Iran could easily be crushed in short order, and will, if they push their luck. Once they have been crushed like insects the Pakis will sit up and take notice. Nonetheless, just because the west is still militarily ascendant doesn’t excuse the grabasstic economics which have held sway since the deregulation mania kicked off by Ronnie Rayguns back in the ‘eighties. No matter how many medieval towelheads’ asses we kick our economic system still doesn’t work, at least not while the robber barons are permitted to persist in their economic treason. And when are we going to wake up and stop fighting over the very thing which is cooking the entire planet, namely fossil fuels? Once we’ve all been forced to relocate underground shielded against the ruined environment inside of vast geodesic domes it won’t matter much who the reigning bully boy on the block is because by then we’ll all be losers with nothing much to fight over any more. Fans of the paranormal should be aware that the Scientific Remote Viewers at Fort Meade, MD foresaw [while astrally projecting] that in the near future the entire human race would be forced to abandon the planets’ surface owing to massive environmental degradation. Bibliography: “Psychic Warrior” by Moore.

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  11. ozone January 16, 2012 at 10:31 am #

    Senor Kunstler,
    You sez:
    ” The awesome exertions of the global banking system to evade the mandates of reality finally yield in a sickening slippage to epochal unwind. What a bad idea: to try to juke nature itself. In case you weren’t paying attention over the weekend – and who really wants to? – the cosmic Brinks truck of free money went over a cliff, and the darn thing will keep free-falling until (at least) the American markets open again on Tuesday.”
    Now I (for one) will be fascinated to see how this is going to be “spun” tomorrow!
    There’s a lota ‘splainin’ to do, and we’ll probably see at least six different ‘splainations from at least as many “respected” analysts (emphasis on the *anal*).

  12. tstreet January 16, 2012 at 10:37 am #

    Interesting you mention Downtown Abbey, an era of great change. The change I noticed was a period of transition to the auto. Little did they know.

  13. bubbleheadMarc January 16, 2012 at 10:40 am #

    Correction: the author of “Psychic Warrior” is David Morehouse, who has also written other books on the same subject of remote viewing.

  14. ozone January 16, 2012 at 10:41 am #

    “I believe that Russian and China have made statements that they will consider our attack on Iran to be an attack on them. We are playing a maneuver to curtail China’s ability to get more oil, but of course we want them to do all our manufacturing at slave labor rates—(so what gives?)” -LB
    I’ll tell you ‘what gives’ (but you already know):
    A concentrated dose of bullshittery and hubris, known as the “sumpthin’ fer nuthin'” mentality!
    See, we should be rewarded for snookering others into working for practically nothing, it’s the new ‘Murkin way of bid’niz. Plus, that sacred dollar is what all the black gold is denominated in. ‘What gives’ there? (That would be a rhetorical question, of course. ;o)

  15. Gingerfox January 16, 2012 at 10:44 am #

    You are a card… World collapse is due within minutes but
      ‘My books are available at all the usual places’
    It says something for the free market spirit! I’m off to buy a hand tool rather than a book on collapse

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  16. noel bodie January 16, 2012 at 10:52 am #

    Ahem…. Naval. From the guy stumped on secede.

  17. ian807 January 16, 2012 at 10:59 am #

    I think the USA will back off from any serious naval action in the straight. The reason is this. Iran can make good on its threats to close the straight by taking out aircraft carriers with “swarm” techniques. Launch a thousand boats, each with a missile or 5 that can blow a hole in the hull of a carrier and at least one will get through. Possibly more. You lose both the carrier and the perception of invulnerability.
    Given that neither Russia nor China will stand idly by if we try and use nukes as an alternative, we’re left with… not much. Ground troops, and another long, politically untenable middle east war.
    This will wind down over the next few months. RealPolitik ensures this outcome.

  18. Smokyjoe January 16, 2012 at 10:59 am #

    “US navel vessel”
    Hmmm…The USS Bellybutton goes down in a flurry of anti-shipping missiles painted up with Islamic slogans.
    JHK is in high-gloom mode with this one. I don’t buy into the likelihood of a collapse of the Cheese-Doodle Axis of Fatness “in a matter of weeks” but the damned thing IS doomed. We’ll see a slo-mo unraveling with some sharp shocks…the 70s with no fake cowboy at the end to proclaim “morning in America” yet again.
    The market for oil is tight, so unless an economic collapse suppresses demand again, it will take but one spark somewhere in the Gulf to light the Big Fire.

  19. ozone January 16, 2012 at 11:00 am #

    James,
    If we intone the name of Benedict Cumberbatch into a mirror in solemn monotone on the night of a full moon by candlelight (said candles rendered from human tallow), will the worldwide CDS edifice explode in tatters of trillions of broken promises?
    (If so, I might just try it, but acquiring those candles could prove nigh impossible.)

  20. Loveandlight January 16, 2012 at 11:00 am #

    On the subject of Iran, I mostly agree with Paul Craig Roberts over at Counterpunch.org.

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  21. loveday January 16, 2012 at 11:01 am #

    Jim
    Yes the world is kinda quiet, just waiting, I suspect for the shindig to really start. When that happens, then of course all bets are off. The Strait of Hormuz is the Ace up the Iranian sleeve. They can cause serious world disruptions should they be sufficiently terrified. They are surrounded on all sides by menacing forces. Is it any wonder they have turned to fanatics to lead them through this frightening situation? Never scare a little man, he will probably kill you if he can. Iran is being left with very few options, the old “how to prove a negative” thing, they have over and over been inspected for nuke bombs with no evidence being turned up. But some obsessive world leaders just don’t like that answer.
    The disintegration of the world financial system demands a solution. A solution favorable to the banks. So forgiveness of debts is off the table, these financial criminals would rather ignite WW III for fun and profit than give up one penny of their precious money. So the perilous game of chicken continues while the world cowers in terror.
    The Ides of March await. Stock up on beer and cheeze doodles. By the way have you heard? Twinkies will soon be a thing of the past, Hostess is bankcrupt, well good riddance is all I can say.
    loveday

  22. TheRockyMountainPilgrim January 16, 2012 at 11:02 am #

    Excellent commentary, Jim.
    I suspect a slight link between our actions in the MENA (Middle East/North Africa) Region over the last decade might just have something to do with the fact that there was one thing all of the countries involved shared: government-owned central banks and no membership in the Bank of International Settlements (as well as some relation to oil, but just bare with me on this argument). I’m specifically talking about: Iraq, Iran, Libya, and Syria (and you could put Afghanistan in there as well, but they’re insignificant other than strategic location, in my opinion).
    In fact, back in April 2011, well before their uprising was even remotely close to toppling the entrenched Ghaddafi regime, the rebel leaders in Benghazi announced they had created their own Central Bank. And they were immediately assisted by the Europeans, with France and the UK at the lead… Coincidence? Perhaps.
    Given the fact that Iran currently has a government-owned central bank, which issues currency to the Iranian people with no debt attached, as well as their history with Israel, it almost seems inevitable to me that there will be a black swan/staged (depending on your opinion) event, which will suck American/European countries into some sort of hot-war with Iran. Of course, nobody in the MSM seems to care about the fact that we have positioned tens of thousands of more troops into the region recently (Israel, Kuwait, Western Afghanistan, at sea in the Persian Gulf and Indian Ocean).
    Just like JFK had advisors urging for more troops and action in Vietnam and Cuba, our own president is surrounded by like-minded folks when it comes to the Persian Gulf Region, as well as a main-stream media which would love to boost their ratings with stuff other than economic catastrophes underway in our own backyard.
    Maybe we can avoid a full-blown intervention, but I’m pretty skeptical about that, given our past and present…
    Best of luck to us all,
    Torin
    The Rocky Mountain Pilgrim

  23. lbendet January 16, 2012 at 11:03 am #

    While we’re on the subject of America’s greatest export:
    Check out a very good essay on the matter of war on Paul Craig Robert’s site:
    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/

  24. loveday January 16, 2012 at 11:08 am #

    Yup Paul Craig Roberts rocks! He always provides valuable insight in his essays on current events. I see he has established his own web page. Check it out gang!

  25. Solar Guy January 16, 2012 at 11:13 am #

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlBadkb-xqw
    Garbage Warrior
    Watched that with some environmental folks over the weekend and got some hope back…
    Started to stir things up a bit on the internets like I’ve never done before… Makes me nervous but also feeling alive.
    Cheers Clusterfuckers!
    PUSH ON. DO GOOD. KEEP SMILING.

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  26. ozone January 16, 2012 at 11:13 am #

    Thanks for the link… another good ‘un.

  27. charliefoxtrot January 16, 2012 at 11:14 am #

    you might as well just call them niggers or rednecks, equally denigrating labels…the thing is, marc, de-humanizing a group of people is the first step towards genocide and concentration camps, as evidenced in a certain german country; i m sure you ve heard of the nazis? just because neither one of us agrees with someone s ideology (or what we know of it) does not give us the right to take away their rights to do the same thing anyone anywhere is trying to do; namely persue life on earth…it is the robber barons who promote the division of classes (…insects, …towelheads) in order TO DISTRACT YOU from the real division we are all laboring under, and for (in the sense of to their gain; not to promote in favor of), that is the status quo of an elite system of rape and rule…surely you realize that dna does not manifest itself differently in ‘other’ forms of life? that fundamentally, we are related to crickets, dogs, trees, and EACH OTHER…? that as long as you allow yourself to think of people as less than or as “other”, then you are literally playing a part in the destruction of all life on Earth, at the cost of your own humanity…?! please don t take this as a personal attack; i m only trying to help you see the puppet strings that are attached to your shoulders: think for yourself and you will no longer be a marionette…

  28. ozone January 16, 2012 at 11:20 am #

    I will be watching that. It’s in full length on youtube and also Netflix has it snail mail. This is why I come to this site; thanks.

  29. SNAFU January 16, 2012 at 11:28 am #

    Howdy DR, Per your comment clip “Doug Casey has some parallel commentary about the money thing”.
    Interestingly, Doug Casey is of the opinion that the federal government is the root of all that is wrong in the usa not the banksters, coporations and the military industrial complex. Who the fuck does he think owns the government; the poor and what is left of the middle class?
    SNAFU

  30. asoka. January 16, 2012 at 11:30 am #

    desertrat, at the end of doug casey’s post he says there is nothing that can be done.

    So what can you do about it? Well, actually, there is nothing you can do about it.

    So, why criticize people who choose to watch the SuperBowl, or go to a NASCAR race, or listen to Oprah? After all, according to Casey nothing can be done about peak oil, the end of the middle class, etc. anyway.
    And why do you go after Oprah? She was probably born with less wealth and privilege than desertrat, and she has millions of people listening to her.
    Do you even know Oprah’s positions on peak oil, credit default swaps, and human freedom? Seems like you would want her to be able to speak out, unless you criticize her out of jealousy, ignorance, or racism.
    P.S. I also note that Casey is posting from South America. At least I give him credit for recognizing the Global South is where to be.

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  31. Neon Vincent January 16, 2012 at 11:40 am #

    Since no one else has mentioned it yet, Happy MLK Day to you all!
    Iran certainly makes for a more serious looking threat to oil supplies than the “five pounds of plastic explosives and a camel” that you said would be all that was needed to damage an oil pipeline in “End of Suburbia.” Because of that, people are beginning to take that threat a little more seriously now.
    Over at Crazy Eddie’s Motie News, I didn’t blog about the situation involving Iran this past week except for the clip from Real Time showing David Frum fulminating about Iran that I included in my most recent post about the Republican primary. It seems that the latest brouhaha over Newt Gingrich’s attack ad against Romney has exposed something that I figured out during the past few years–the Republican Party has no respect for its own ideas other than a vehicle for more power. If their own ideas get adopted by someone else, instead of praising them for doing the right thing, they’ll immediately attack their own formerly cherished notions. In that case, Romney and Gingrich, two notorious flip-floppers, make for perfect modern Republicans.
    I also blogged about the North American Auto Show, and how the current perceived success of the auto industry is attracting politicians who want to bask in its glory. Of course, that will all change very quickly if the Straits of Hormuz are closed.
    Oh, I also mentioned the bankruptcy of Hostess Cakes. The loss of Twinkies would be almost as tragic as the loss of cheese doodles.
    Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit!
    http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

  32. asoka. January 16, 2012 at 11:45 am #

    loveandlight, PCR says Israel wants to

    seize all of Palestine and the water resources of southern Lebanon.

    Do you think then Israel will stop its expansion?

  33. bubbleheadMarc January 16, 2012 at 11:49 am #

    If you’ve actually met a group of people and know that they’re assholes then you’re not prejudiced because, if you refer back to the original statement that I’ve actually been there, I’ve not pre-judged them, because I’ve actually met and interacted with them, and consequently know that they are assholes. The reason that they’re assholes is because they are mental inhabitants of the middle ages, and have not outgrown their early religious brainwashing as most of us have. Report back after they’ve cut your throat and we’ll see how much you like them then. Of course once they’ve murdered you we’ll have to conduct a seance to see what you think of them, since they would have already done you in.
    This is kind of like my belief that nuns are assholes. That isn’t a consequence of some imagined nonsense or a prejudice without foundation. I think that nuns are assholes because I once spent nearly two years working for an order of nuns. Guess what? Most of them were assholes with perhaps one exception. This is not protestant anti-catholicism, nativism, or know-nothingism. I was raised in the only protestant church which has nuns, the Episcopal Church. I then converted to Roman Catholicism for some eighteen years. I don’t think that nuns are assholes. I know that they are. If nuns are not assholes then no one is an asshole because that would mean that the term is meaningless and that it would be impossible for anyone to be an asshole. Well guess what? Nuns are assholes. Just like towelheads are assholes. And their assholism is religiously induced, which is not a coincidence. I’ve been to the middle east five times and have worked and interacted with them closely and no one is going to tell me that the medievalists who inhabit that region are not fucked up. For instance, as soon as our ship tied up in Jiddah back in 1990 an Arab truck driver ran down and killed our chief cook for absolutely no reason. Eventually They are going to get their comeuppance and if we don’t do it the Isrealis most certainly will. Some day they will grow up and then they will no longer give a rat’s ass about religion, but that day hasn’t yet arrived. In any event I don’t believe that we should bother with them, nor do I endorse invading and occupying their lands, but I do believe that they will deserve what they get when all their pigeons have flown home to roost, as it were. As Sir Isaac Newton said, “every action has an equal and corresponding reaction.”

  34. Jack Waddington January 16, 2012 at 11:54 am #

    It is not jobs that are needed and it is not a means of exchange (money). All that is the fallacy we humans have lived with for at least the last 30,000 years but there was a time before that when exchange was not in the lexicon.
    Let me start from scratch. We are born taking … we die giving … between times we sometime give and we sometimes take, except those moments when we are FORCED TO PAY FOR OUR NEEDS. This is all borne of the idea that if freely giving and freely taking we would only take what was needed (otherwise we would have to hoard). This is a conceptual leap that is needed for THINKING mankind to get beyond … take that conceptual leap. It’s not a new idea and was first practice to the best of my knowledge some 400 years ago when some citizens of London (decenters) decided between themselves (without leadership) they could all co-operate to make a decent life). They moved to some common ground in Henley just outside of central London and set up their community (commune) The authorities of the time saw this as a threat to the system and squashed it.
    The next time it was tried was in Catalonia (around Barcelona) during the Spanish civil war. Just as it began to work and show signs of where it needed to go General Franco marched in and squashed that attempt. Now the time is ripe, with thousands out of a job in order to perform exchange, we see a movement by the 99 %ers who (co-incidentally) are leaderless)
    If we were to stretch our imagination a little further, instead of attempting to create rules for more equilibrium; which is tantamount to merely re-arranging the deck chairs of the Titanic. It’s the Titanic that is sinking. We could realize that those two community events I mentioned above (communes) could exist without specific leaders but with all participants putting in their ‘two pennyworth’ and for that commune to come to it’s own idea of how to collectively survive. (co-operate). Philosophically the idea has be written about by Proudhon, Bakunin and Kropotkin, but no-one has had the deep foresight to see how this would work out. Marx thought out a plan, but planning requires dictatorship. That never works.
    Should this process begin the mental capacity to see this evolve would grow exponentially; BUT sadly humankind (the only kind) has been in denial for at least 30,000 years about this means of exchange. Scrap exchange and learn to give and take … sometimes giving… other times taking. In reality it is not that much of a mental stretch. The OWS could (I dearly hope) be the beginning of that movement. Sure the military and the police would do their utmost to prevent it until members of the military and police forces realized they were battling against their very own people … and families.
    Everyone, deep down, knows we cannot go back to what was … that time has now passed. Give it a thought … without an instant rejection.
    Jack

  35. lconway January 16, 2012 at 12:06 pm #

    Nature does have a way of asserting itself, whether in response to a ‘Super-size me’ lifestyle for any given individual, or for nations, collectively, that choose to ignore the precepts of sensible living. Kipling’s ‘The Gods of the Copybook Headings” sums that up nicely, as does Mr. Kunstler’s writing here.
    Kipling link: http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_copybook.htm

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  36. Casual Observer January 16, 2012 at 12:08 pm #

    I could not agree more. The posturing by the US was predictable. Timing, however, is lousy as any aggression now will throw a massive wrench into the global economy sinking it faster than the Costa Concordia. Chris Martenson has a great article last week on Iran at his website.

  37. metuselah January 16, 2012 at 12:14 pm #

    Three Days of the Condor – Final Scene
    http://goo.gl/EtPrZ
    Who knew what when how? LOL!

  38. DeeJones January 16, 2012 at 12:18 pm #

    Sadly, in discussions with friends this weekend, we all came to the conclusion that Iran will be attacked this spring. It will make a nice distraction, even tho it probably won’t turn out quite like it was ‘war gamed’.
    The so-called ‘leaders’ of the US are insane.
    What a mess. Best try to get out from under it as it collapses, thus some have left the country for more tropical climes. I know, some will yell “chicken” or whatever, but they are just jealous that they didn’t or couldn’t move themselves.
    To each their own, dudes & dudettes.
    Hava good one 😉

  39. Rhino January 16, 2012 at 12:28 pm #

    “…our economic system still doesn’t work, at least not while the robber barons are permitted to persist in their economic treason” – BBM
    That’s how I see it. Of course those on the “right” side of the spectrum would bellow that they are for “free markets”.
    Well fuck that and fuck them. I’m for results and what results have we got? A decades long economic debasement and progressive impoverishment because millions of jobs that once sustained a middle class were airlifted to slave wage crapholes soverseas. If not for the steroidal stimulation of 15 trillion in debt where would the American economy be?
    JHK refers to CDS’s. Imagine what was done here. Bazillion dollar bailouts of financial shitholes like AIG because they wrote contracts insuring bonds that purchasers of the insurance didn’t even own (like buying insurance on your neighbor’s car). So taxpayer money (or should we say magically concocted money from the Fed) got shovelled into AIG so they could pay off bets to other megabuck Wall Street outfits. And they say with a straight face that this is all legal.

  40. deni January 16, 2012 at 12:29 pm #

    It’s indicative of our contagious national sociopathy when the potential genocidal extermination of another nation’s people is described with such insouciance. We have already declared war on the Iranians and the ’embargo’s’ goals will soon begin to produce the desired results: Dead kids, dead old folks, dead sick people and healthy people becoming sick, dead women and ultimately death to male portion of their population. An ugly repeat of all those children, women and old folks we starved, sickened and disabled in Iraq – hundreds of thousands it turns out when our ’embargo’ irrevocably stamped on their lives. Mr. Kunstler repeatedly refers to the ‘maniacs’ in charge in Iran as if that’s a possible reason we’re seriously considering murdering more human beings and that they’re the only maniacs out there. I guess it’ll have to do as there’s not much else to latch onto as far as excuses go when we’re talking about killing a few hundred thousand more human beings. A seemingly insignificant mote of truth: whenever our ‘leadership’ proclaims our latest ‘victory’ over our ‘enemies’, they always produce numbers and smiles to support their claims. Rarely do they acknowledge the fact that killing human beings is tragic, very tragic and cause for reflection and remorse. Insignificant, yet noteworthy as eventually with these monstrous ‘leadership’ it will apply to us, too. Mr. Kunstler rarely mentions Israel in his assessments and I think I understand why: It doesn’t matter very much at this point who’s behind these strategic moves to murder and destroy yet another civilization. It’s proceeding under its own power right now and I would consider the possibility that we’re ALL digging our own graves in regards to the situation as something to also reflect upon . The ‘leadership’ here in the USA have finally completed construction of the alternate reality they’ve spent years developing and they’ve successfully crossed the threshold and are behaving accordingly. The rest of us, thankfully, are not welcome to join them in their new world. Unlike other sociopaths, though, our ‘leadership’ continue to evolve: Sociopaths in a majority of cases understand that they cannot commit acts which would possibly destroy their own world. They wouldn’t then have a stage to perform upon. I’m unable to detect any sense of urgency on their part to defuse the situation so I must conclude that the game is on and it will involve nuclear detonation. (One more article claiming how worried the United States is about Israel unilaterally attacking Iran and I’ll burn my own house down) Why? Visualize a sunken American super-carrier or a few dozen large missiles landing upon Tel Aviv. The right wing zealots are correct in their observation that it will not be a drawn out conflict, but for the wrong reasons. It has little to do with the militaries of all the players involved and more to do with the shortest path to ‘victory’ and ultimately dominance not only in the region, but over the rest of the earth as well. Should be a good show, but I really do not enjoy being in the cast.

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  41. jerry January 16, 2012 at 12:31 pm #

    Well stated James! The world, as well as this country, feels like it is sitting in a pot of water slowly coming to a boil. The private equity and hedge fund predators, who bought MBSs over the last 12 months as homes began to sell off from the huge stockpile of foreclosures, short sells, and new builds, are seeing their bonds go crap. Now they want Bada Bing Bernanke to bail them out, along with the bankstas who are still sitting on self-destructing toxic mortgage debt swirling down the tiddy bowl. They are calling for a QE3 for a bailout.
    No lifelines for the EU, either.
    More praising in the Romney camp for income inequities. “Bailouts to the rich!! Cheer, Cheer!! Hip, Hip Hurray!! Corporate welfare for those with “skin in the Gamey Game.”
    Iran is a pool of quick sand wanting for someone to step into it. Israel and the US neoliberal war hawks are chewing at their bits waiting for a chance to drop the Big Bomb vaporizing the land of Persia. If one lives in Tehran, it might be time to move out to the highlands.
    The US lacks strong, and convincing leadership to move the nation and the world forward. China is a terribly exploitative manufacturing state, which is dearly embraced by the corporate elite in the US. We lack total honor, and integrity in our trade policies, our diplomatic positions, our economic policies, our social policies, and more. It is all about economic housing bubbles, credit bubbles, spending bubbles, and wage inequalities.
    It might be time to start buying those vegie seeds for spring planting, and picking up abandoned logs for firewood come next winter.
    http://eye-on-washington.blogspot.com

  42. Dirk January 16, 2012 at 12:34 pm #

    Precisely Jagger! Who the F*** do we think we are to tell Iran what they can and cannot do?? None of our F***ing business! But OBoob wants to invade to protect our oil delivery infrastucture; make sure we get all that’s left. Sickening.

  43. Colorado January 16, 2012 at 12:38 pm #

    James, James, James, there, there. Use your indoor voice. The problem with Europe will sort itself out. Probably with a moderate to almost serious recession. They will decide on either tighter monetary integration and control through the ECB or tighter political control (doubtful). The banksters will probably use a combination of quantitative easing (free money) and allow inflation to rise over German objections.
    Iran is going through a dark time and it will be interesting to see if they can emerge out the other end without being more overtly attacked by bigger powers. Leon Panetta let slip the other day that Iran was no where near the development of weapons grade nuclear material. An open secret in D.C. The opinion in the scientific community is that they have a bad fuel cycle and are years away from getting it right.
    The U.S. will stumble through another election cycle with one or the other 1%er being elected. Gas prices will go up and down and up. The economy will sputter along. Same old same old

  44. metuselah January 16, 2012 at 12:39 pm #

    Good post, Marc.
    Yes, they are assholes. The worst kind of assholes. The criminally insane type of assholes. Not that the “manifest destiny” yankee imperialists type of assholes are much better.
    But all these assholes serve one shit maker. And that shit maker is Rome/Vatican.

  45. Rhino January 16, 2012 at 12:39 pm #

    You might want to consider that Iran is run by a gang of sick fucks that talk about wiping Israel off the map. You can make a case that creating Israel was a massive imposition on an already existing Arab population or you can argue the opposite. But at the end of the day what does it matter to the beards in Iran whether or not Israel exists? What do they care?

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  46. charliefoxtrot January 16, 2012 at 12:40 pm #

    first off, i never said i like them; i don t agree with any organized religion…not islam, catholic or any other i see arabs and nuns as victims first- while many of their actions are, without question, atrocities, what else would you expect, given what they “know” ? that s not to excuse them, but the real problem is in the programming; and is only obscufated by heaping blame and abuse on the end result…i m sorry for your cook, by the way, and can see how individual interaction and experience (rightously, i might add) color your opinion…i m prejudiced myself because of experience against any man wearing a necktie: yet another instance of a group of people doing something they re trained to do ONLY because that s what they re trained to do…look up the origin of the damned things; you might be surprised marc, i want to stress that i am not attacking you for your attitude or your experience; only trying to point out that we re all in this together, and that the symbols and labels you use to think about a group of humans can very often obscure the fact to your mind that they ARE human, and as worthy as yourself for consideration…when We, as Earthlings, can eliminate the concept of ‘them’ over ‘there’, and work together instead of killing our brothers and sisters, then, and only then, will we have peace

  47. Rick January 16, 2012 at 12:40 pm #

    Hey Jim,
    Here’s the way I see Iran. Are they a threat? Maybe. But, what do they have, that the US does not, let me think. That’s right, oil. Instead of doing the right thing, we have opted for Resource Wars. And we’ll use any excuse to take their oil.
    I also think this global house of cards will keep going for another decade or two. But at the same time, things will continue to fall apart. I think you call it the Long Emergency. 🙂
    PS – the biggest threat on this planet is the US.

  48. Eleuthero January 16, 2012 at 12:43 pm #

    I think the United States’ saber rattling is absolutely sickening. An economy based on McDonald’s and Facebook is a sham and TPTB know it so … war is good for business. Iran, historically, has been a rather isolationist country. Israel can protect itself. Here we go again with being the world’s unelected police chief.
    If Iran ACTUALLY blocks the Straits of Hormuz, well, the US would have about 20 allies join them to unblock it. It isn’t just “strategic” for the USA. Until they do more than spout ugly rhetoric, they should be seen, more or less, the way we saw Kim Jong Il.
    Indeed, if their government did something totally bonkers, I suspect that their long-simmering citizens would finally get major army sectors in back of them and oust the crazies running their government. Iran is a modern, civilized country and wishes to remain so.
    E.

  49. bossier22 January 16, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

    It is sickening. But the thought of being on foot or horseback permenantly is pretty sickening too. What is the solution?

  50. Eleuthero January 16, 2012 at 12:49 pm #

    Oh, no, another John Mauldin’er who claims we’ll “muddle through”. Never mind that in all of human history, any country with our economic internals has NEVER “muddled through”. You must be one of these guys who believes in the sophisticated “financial technology” of the Fed and other Wizards of Oz.
    The only thing our “sophistication” has produced is LTCM, one Keynesian failure after another from the Fed, and financial instruments like SIVs, CDOs, and other bundles which brokers cannot even explain to their customers.
    We will prove that there’s more MUD than MUD-DLE in our mire.
    E.

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  51. Rhino January 16, 2012 at 12:49 pm #

    They will decide on either tighter monetary integration and control through the ECB or tighter political control (doubtful) – Colorado
    This “integration” is going to involve some combination of German taxpayers transfering a chunk of their money to prop up places like Italy and Greece and giving German politicians and bureaucrats veto power over govt spending in those same places.
    The “intellectuals” running this Euro experiment can cook up whatever deal they want among themselves. But it is NOT going to fly with the good German townsfolk footing the bill or the Italian and Greek people in the town squares who suddenly find that the squareheads to the north are telling them what they can and can’t do.

  52. Kurt Cagle January 16, 2012 at 12:55 pm #

    The CDS sham has already broken – CDS’s pay out on credit defaults. Who calls a credit default? Why the very banks and financial institutions that created them in the first place, and that realize that if even ONE is called, it will cascade into an avalanche that will swamp the entire financial system. Investors are slowly beginning to wake up to the fact that CDSs are worthless, and the insurance that they had bought up is now worthless, and they are out a great deal of money – billions and billions, to quote the late great Carl Sagan.
    However, the S&P isn’t going anywhere Tuesday – it’ll lose maybe 10-15 pts, before the PPT comes in and closes the door, then all the algos will kick in 3:30 EST and push the market back up to slightly above close. The game of pretend and extend (aka kick the can) will continue until the PTB inadvertantly kick the can off the cliff, at which point the game ends.
    Iran also won’t turn into a hot war, but it’s already a cold one. The country is a hard one to crack militarily. Geography works against an invasion – it’s mountainous and a guerrilla fighter’s paradise. The US could in theory seize the Strait of Hormuz (and it is likely that no one would complain much), but they will lose ships (plural) and men doing so. Staging from Pakistan is not politically feasible, staging from Afghanistan even less so.
    Of course, the biggest threat is financial, mostly directed at Europe. The US attacks Iran, the Russians will likely cut off natural gas to Europe, the Chinese would then proceed to flood the market with dollars, possibly by going on a massive gold and oil buying spree. This kicks the final legs out from under both the US and European markets. After that, the invasion of Taiwan begins.
    One final thought – we’ve not had a large scale naval conflict since 1945 (the invasion of the Falklands notwithstanding). In terms of numbers of ships a conflict between the US and China in the China Sea would probably not be a major contest, but that little trick with the drone in Iranian airspace (which was apparently controlled down rather than shot down) has a lot of people in the Pentagon worried, as it should. Hard to fight an enemy that can reprogram your planes to land on their side.

  53. ofthehands.com January 16, 2012 at 1:00 pm #

    It is a depressing state of affairs, Jim. In many ways, I worry more about the Iran stuff than I do the economic stuff. It would be interesting to see what happens with in the CDS world if people started trying to cash in (and I admit, I have a very limited understanding of CDS) but it seems likely that, much like 2008, governments would team up with financial institutions to do a well-enough job of sweeping it all under the rug and restoring some (imaginary, but still) semblance of stability so that the game may continue, just in a lowered state. It’s also certainly possible it all spirals out of control, but all the large powers would be keen to do whatever they could to stop that from happening and I expect they would be able to put on another temporary braking and then put us in a slow slide toward the next cliff.
    But a bit of chaos until those brakes could fully engage would be a near certainty. So yes, we could be in for some very interesting times.
    I was reading over on Naked Capitalism about some supposed oil dark inventory which the author argued could ultimately burst the oil bubble and drop prices down to $45. I have no idea how valid the idea is, but it’s interesting to wonder what the consequences of such an act would be. The idea seemed to be that it would lead to further economic chaos as all the people invested in commodities would lose their shirts. If that were to happen, I wonder if a war with Iran might start looking like a compelling way to get the oil price back up by certain people in power.
    So many variables! This is why I try not to predict the future outside of, “It’s generally going to get more troubled and we’re all likely to become much more poor.” That seems the safest bet of all. Which means, as always, that we all have much work to do, and we should probably get to it.
    Joel

  54. asoka. January 16, 2012 at 1:19 pm #

    Rick said: “PS – the biggest threat on this planet is the US.”
    Martin Luther King said the USA was the biggest purveyor of violence on earth, and then they assassinated him.
    Happy MLK Day!

  55. Jim Eberle January 16, 2012 at 1:19 pm #

    I understand Iran’s paranoia. They are completely surrounded by nuclear powers; Pakistan and India to the southeast, China to the east, Russia to the north, Israel to the west, and American submarines in the Persian Gulf to the southwest which carry nuclear weapons. Iran feels the potential for threat on all sides.
    Again this is all about fossil fuels. America now controls all of the world’s light sweet crude with the exception of Iran. Iran possesses the third largest supply of oil and the second largest supply of natural gas in the world. America covets this “piece of the pie” to quote Dick Cheney.
    If we are trying to thwart China’s gambit for Iranian Oil, remember that China makes all of our shit, and the making of “shit” (manufacturing) is vastly more energy intensive than information technology and selling pizzas.

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  56. balkan January 16, 2012 at 1:32 pm #

    Bubblehead. What a approp name!
    “As Sir Isaac Newton said, “every action has an equal and corresponding reaction.””
    You fail to notice that USA is action.

  57. Rhino January 16, 2012 at 1:33 pm #

    Martin Luther King said the USA was the biggest purveyor of violence on earth, and then they assassinated him. – A
    Why do you live in such a place?

  58. bfarms1 January 16, 2012 at 1:36 pm #

    Well, another week goes by and Jim’s Apocolyptic Prediction goes down the crapper. First it’s Summer of 2011 with Street Rage, then, We’re blowing up before Thanksgiving…then it gets postponed to Christmas….the next Monday doubts we make it to New Year’s . . . Next Stop…Groundhog Day ..Valentine’s Day – Mother’s Day, Father’s Day…Then the Summer of 2012 Rage…and W T F…we’re going down before the election….It’s getting tiresome after reading this blog for 5 years. You would think there would be some glimmer of hope that the Banksters and their puppet political elite would screw things up bad enough for the collapse to set in. I for one am amazed at how the whole thing keeps rolling along.

  59. asoka. January 16, 2012 at 1:36 pm #

    that little trick with the drone in Iranian airspace (which was apparently controlled down rather than shot down) has a lot of people in the Pentagon worried, as it should. Hard to fight an enemy that can reprogram your planes to land on their side.

    The day the USA/Israel attack Iran … ah, woe the day! Iran has weapons the USA does not know about and cannot defend against. The controlled landing of the drone was just a hint of what Iran is capable of.
    Thankfully, Iran is not an aggressor nation. We should make friends with Iran while it is still possible.
    Iranian culture and Iranian people are beautiful. They are suffering under a recently imposed theocracy, but that too shall pass.
    Let’s not kill any Iranians.

  60. bearfoot January 16, 2012 at 1:38 pm #

    extremely well said.

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  61. Adam Eran January 16, 2012 at 1:38 pm #

    Actually, Waddington, you’re referring to a communitarian / communist impulse possibly first realized in the period of the Judges in ancient Israel, and later in Jerusalem, with the Christian community, described in Acts post-Jesus. It’s been around for a while.

    Meanwhile, I’m awfully surprised Kunstler is on a tear about Iran. Iran has an economy the size of Connecticut’s. It’s military budget is literally 1/100th of ours. And they’re the big threat???? Huh?

    See Juan Cole’s blog for more Iranian facts.

    The truth is that such threats are important, not because they’re real, but because of their economic and political consequences. When the Middle East is tense, the price of oil rises.

    Could our petro-oligarchy enjoy high oil prices enough to arrange for such tensions to occur? Is the Pope Catholic?

    Politically, it’s also important to have a fearsome enemy from which we must all be protected by Big Brother. When Reagan was prosecuting his illegal war against the Sandinistas in Nicaragua, one of the two poorest nations in the hemisphere, he described Nicaragua as a threat to the U.S.

    Reagan famously asked the Mexican president to publicly endorse his assertion that Nicaragua was a threat, and the Mexican president replied that he would be happy to publicly agree with his friend, the U.S. president, if there was any way he could do so without being laughed out of office.

    So that’s the subtext, not that the Ayatollahs are so crazy. Incidentally, Robert Fiske reports that when the Ayatollahs came to power, they raided the safe houses of the Shah’s secret police (SAVAK), and found ovens in the basement, for roasting torture victims…and stacks of severed limbs.

    So do you really want to assert that the Ayatollahs are crazy? After all, the CIA overthrew the elected Iranian government and installed the Shah. Can you blame them for hating the U.S?

    That coup was at the behest of the British, who were defending the interests of their Anglo Persian Oil company, threatened by Iran with nationalization. The prime minister, Mossadegh, was proposing to pay Anglo Persian the same price per BTU that the Brits were paying their coal mine owners too.

    The current name of Anglo Persian: British Petroleum (BP).

    Anyway, I’m guessing the communitarian / communist impulse needs a freedom from fear most of us have difficulty even imagining. Kunstler is not exactly the guy promoting fearlessness, too.

  62. Rhino January 16, 2012 at 1:39 pm #

    The theocracy is Iranian. It didn’t come from Mars.

  63. bfarms1 January 16, 2012 at 1:42 pm #

    Kurt, surely you jest. Iran could definitely fuck us up if they just had the balls to hit the oil fields and set things in motion. They’re a bunch of pussies…at least the leaders, all of this terrorism and posturing is nothing more than entertainment…and I’m not so sure that the USA isn’t complicit in faking all of this sabre rattling. I mean W T F…we need something for the talking heads to do for God’s sake.
    Let’s all get real…the Mexican drug Cartel is sitting on thousands of shoulder fired missles…anyone with some kahonas and a few Bud Lights could put us out of business.

  64. asoka. January 16, 2012 at 1:42 pm #

    Recommendation of an organization to support to prevent loss of civil liberties:
    Center for Constitutional Rights
    http://ccrjustice.org/
    Support CCR, while we are still free to act.

  65. Vlad Kramps January 16, 2012 at 1:45 pm #

    ***Twinkies will soon be a thing of the past, Hostess is bankcrupt, well good riddance is all I can say.****
    loveday
    I think we can all relax on this one. I read that even though that little cutie known as “Hostess” (think Laura Petrie in some tights, bulky sweater and ballerina slippers) is going bankcrupt, we’ll still get our deliveries of Ho Hos, Ring Dings, and Twinkies at our local gas fill up stops. China wil be making them now.

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  66. charliefoxtrot January 16, 2012 at 1:46 pm #

    according to metuselah, no, the pope is a cia puppet controlled by, who was it again, the jesuit/lizard alliance?

  67. charliefoxtrot January 16, 2012 at 1:49 pm #

    thanks…and that s just off the “tips of my thumbs”, so to speak- wonder what a manifesto would look like? have to get back to you on that…!

  68. Vlad Kramps January 16, 2012 at 1:51 pm #

    I have an announcement to make. I have just killed Myrtle May. Tracked the tired old bitch down and shot her in the head with a 45. She never knew what hit her. So that makes 3 CFN’ers I’ve knocked off: Q, Myrtle, and LLB …well, I haven’t got to Lew yet…just kinda stakin him out up here in Washington.

  69. Vlad Kramps January 16, 2012 at 1:54 pm #

    I love Creedence Clearwater Revival! So YES, support CCR everyone!

  70. asoka. January 16, 2012 at 1:54 pm #

    Rhino, it came from France in the form of Khomeini. But eight years of the Iraq-Iran War extinguished some of the zeal of the Islamic revolution in Iran and led Iranians to question the capabilities of their leaders.
    The Iranians want freedom and will change Iran to have freedom, if allowed to do so. Attacking Iran will not help the pro-freedom movement. An attack will rally people around the current Iranian mullahs against the Great Satan. Counterproductive.

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  71. Mrs Beasley January 16, 2012 at 1:56 pm #

    “If we are trying to thwart China’s gambit for Iranian Oil, remember that China makes all of our shit”
    Not so. The U.S remains the worlds largest manufacturer.
    Much of our “shit” remains home-made shit.

  72. charliefoxtrot January 16, 2012 at 1:57 pm #

    whew! if only them druglords don t learn how to surf, we ll be ok… oh, wait- it would seem they DO have cojones, after all (almost 50,000 dead)- we re fooked- chingada, if you will

  73. Vlad Krandz January 16, 2012 at 1:59 pm #

    I’ve just talked to my Big Foot friends. They are coming for you.

  74. Vlad Kramps January 16, 2012 at 2:00 pm #

    It’s cause we like killing people who make trouble for the 1 percenters. Yep, that’s why MLK died. JFK for that matter. We could probably come up with a list of hundreds of folks who’ve been bumped off just because they splash too much around in the turd-ladden punchbowl.
    And who actually killed those nuclear scientists in Iran? (hint-it wasn’t me.)

  75. Mrs Beasley January 16, 2012 at 2:01 pm #

    “Iran has weapons the USA does not know about and cannot defend against.”
    But you know about them? Riiiiight.

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  76. Vlad Krandz January 16, 2012 at 2:02 pm #

    King liked White Prostitutes more than Black – and sometimes he liked to beat them. Indeed as his wife said, no one would have the slightest respect for him if they knew the truth. Why do you think his record was sealed? Why do you think Obama’s is sealed? Or Michele’s for that matter?
    As Solzhenitsyn said, “Live not by Lies”.

  77. charliefoxtrot January 16, 2012 at 2:08 pm #

    google “mexican drug lord monster trucks”

  78. Vlad Krandz January 16, 2012 at 2:11 pm #

    Yeah and look how they’re slowly morphing Rosie the Riveteer into a Mestizo. It’s not right. Also the Land O Lakes girl is becoming more Indian – but she was supposed to be to begin with so who can complain? I mean I suppose I could…

  79. metuselah January 16, 2012 at 2:12 pm #

    according to metuselah, no, the pope is a cia puppet controlled by, who was it again, the jesuit/lizard alliance?
    ==
    No, according to metuselah, the hierarchy is very simple and it goes like this:
    Vatican -> Central Banks -> Corporations -> Secret Agencies (CIA/KGB/MI6/the Mob/etc) -> Government/Media -> idiots
    The blue-eyed devil dogs and the jesuit blood thirsty lizardoids are just that, blue-eyed devil dogs and jesuit blood thirsty lizardoids.

  80. Vlad Kramps January 16, 2012 at 2:18 pm #

    So long as I can have a Twinkie in my mouth and gas in my tank, color me happy.

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  81. old69 January 16, 2012 at 2:22 pm #

    Anthropology teaches, Man is an Infinitely Programmable Machine. There are tribes that can’t count to more than two, nay, that don’t even understand the concept of numbers and quantities. I am wondering how some tribes can perceive time and its flow, they may not even understand the concept of time, after all, it is a secondary concept, a logical concept that you acquire much later in your childhood, an arbitrary concept and subdivision of your experience and the way the world is subdivided.
    But even more intriguing is how the concept of memory is applied and used. Some tribes, some mental programs, some cultural programming may make it so that a tribe doesn’t remember things at all or doesn’t even need to remember things or invents and fakes memories to their delights. It is another arbitrary concept and mechanism, you must remember this and that and organize the memories in your mind in a certain way (sequentially, accordingly to cause and effect mechanisms, what comes first and what comes second and so on ?). Of course some memory is necessary in order to survive, but aside from those basic knowledges, I am wondering how the entire experience of life may be programmed differently, maybe a life without the need of memory, or maybe a culture that imposes you to forget or mess up any memory of anything you have ? and so on.
    And this is what could be possible only slightly modifying our Man Brain with what we have, simply culturally and by simply programming it differently as is. Imagine how many other things could be possible by changing the very design of Man Brains, and ever wildy and new different designs…
    But all of the above is false, what I said is not what I meant, all of the above is exactly the opposite of what I wanted to say, I don’t know what I said, I don’t remember saying anything, I am 100 % wrong therefore right, and I don’t even understand what I am saying and so on, and so on…
    TOBOR AN APE

  82. Neon Vincent January 16, 2012 at 2:25 pm #

    Hi, Impaler. I knew that mentioning MLK would troll you into responding to me. Do you like being so predictable?

  83. asoka. January 16, 2012 at 2:28 pm #

    CORRECTION TO METUSELAH’S HIERARCHY
    Vatican -> Central Banks -> Corporations -> Secret Agencies (CIA/KGB/MI6/Mossad/Mafia/etc) -> Government/Media -> useful idiots

  84. bubbleheadMarc January 16, 2012 at 2:29 pm #

    We’re all fucked at this point. And yes, we’re part of the problem because we react to them rather than being proactive. We also suffer from being too religious, and have our own ayatollahs of the mostly radical protestant type. Bubblehead means “submariner”, although to be fair I didn’t like submarine duty and did not reenlist. I joined SUBVETs primarily so I could go to the meetings to reminisce about how miserable it all was. My favorite member of SUBVETs is a retired chief who finished up on surface craft after being kicked out of submarines. The reason I like him so much is because he has a crappy attitude. Just like me. I do believe though that the Israelis are going to clean their clock in Teheran.

  85. old69 January 16, 2012 at 2:30 pm #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177878
    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?t=175489
    Whatever happened to “Progress” ?
    It used to be that people looked forward towards the future for better, improved, more possibilities, all kinds of possible improvements. And in fact the word “Scientist” was held in great respect, they were the high priests planning the future, bringing forth progress and a better future. Then, somewhere down the line, all kinds of reactionary Right Wing Thugs, Environmentalists who are so totally obsessed with that huge pile of crap they call “Nature” and so completely obsessed with that other boogie man called “overpopulation”, capitalists and puny small businesses – entrepreneurs, and just plain dumb folks, ignorant, craps, you name it simply decided TO KILL THE FUTURE. And plan for a new dark ages, nay, a new stone age as Kunstler’s World made by Hand (better known as Ape world of Man returning to Ape condition because he was a scaredy cat of the future, what total punks all of these people be!).
    No more Rockets to Mars (we need trillions of these!), No more Skyscrapers (we need trillions of these! and remember to emphasize BIG numbers, to make a point, to make a statement, to make it clear that you are talking about BIG THINGS, change you can believe in BIG TIME), No more Cheap Rents and Free Salaries (we need trillions of these for thousands of trillions of people, all of them being Scientists and Technicians and Engineers, all of them with wildly Modified brains and Minds, and Mental Contraptions), No more Pride, Ambition, Goals, Collective Goals, Unity of Intent, MIND OVER MATTER, Super Consumption (to KILL AND DEMOLISH ALL AND EVERY POSSIBLE TRACE OF NATURE!) a kind of Super Nationalism, adoration and Worship for the Symbol and Symbols, (and of each of these we need trillions of these and as Intensity goes trillions of times more intense than the puny intensity of everyday life), etc.
    On this website and so, so many others there is this huge constant thread of Overpopulation, we are “Too Many”, and all kinds of Racisms, We against them, etc. On overpopulation, there is nothing further from the truth, we can host thousands of trillions if the greens and tree huggers and environmentalists weren’t such selfish – egotistical slobs that want to hog it all up for themselves, not even noticing how selfish – egotistical and criminal they really are, all along thinking that they are right and correct and good, etc. What morons! the whole deal of overpopulation is a subtle device the rich and capitalists imposed to get a war going between poor people, to create resource “contention” when in fact there are no resource contentions, only rich and ruling class and capitalists that have set things up by design, that have planned this war between people from the outset, but everyone keeps on buying into overpopulation, there is not enough for everyone, etc.
    And if people misbehave, they will be programmed accordingly, they will have some of their neural circuits changed (by computers, not by Man as Man is not reliable, too much of a slave to impulses and his Free Will and his never ending internal contradictions, unsatisfactions, confusions) and we must decompose that entity called Free Will in people so as people no longer contrast and fight each other. They become one unit, one monolithic block of Matter Saturating the Entire Universe with the “Power of Symbol Over Matter”, “Symbol Over the Laws of Physics”…
    Now go little Ryan, go on little Betty, copy this all and bring it to your teacher, another A+ and GOLD star, go on San Jose Mommy, check it out, bring it to your Boss (or your husbands, or whoever supports you), you will get another raise, they will like it a lot, finally some direction in a world that has lost all possible directions.
    And check out this Mental Contraption that fell from the Sun in Betty and Ryan’s backyard:
    QII(//WII(//WOOO///////&&GJJJHKKK/////TTELLELLL=======
    Whaow, what on earth is going on in there, honey bunch ? Wowo, that is really far out, I see all kinds of Mass to Thought converters, Aggregators to disaggregators, units to independence limit machines, wow, so much to discover and play around with. Betty and Ryan are going to have a ball today!
    Quo Vadis ? baby …

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  86. BeantownBill January 16, 2012 at 2:31 pm #

    Paul Craig Roberts is full of shit. The idea, so popular with him and others, that Israel through the American Jewish lobby tells America what to do is ludicrous and stupid because it is so illogical. How can a nation with 5 or 6 million Jews mostly crammed into an area the size of Massachusetts dictate to the world’s most powerful country? I think that claim is a case of the tail wagging the dog. I think Israel made a devil’s bargain with the US when it was very young and frightened. I think the US said to Israel, “Ok, we’re gonna give you money and weapons like you want, but here’s what you have to do for us…..”
    I know, people with weak minds will say that powerful Jews like George Soros and others control things way out of proportion to their numbers. Believing that is a slippery slope which leads to belief in an international Jewish conspiracy and further paranoid delusions, and ultimately leaves one out of touch with reality and with major dysfunction.

  87. Mrs Beasley January 16, 2012 at 2:31 pm #

    “But all of the above is false, what I said is not what I meant, all of the above is exactly the opposite of what I wanted to say, I don’t know what I said…”
    SHUT UP.

  88. bubbleheadMarc January 16, 2012 at 2:38 pm #

    To be fair, Iranians are not Arabs, but Persians. And I must confess that I have met both Arabs and Persians that I liked. Once in Dubai, UAE, I got stinking drunk at the seaman’s club with a Persian tanker sailor and thought that he was a prettty good guy. I got so messed up that I ended up on the floor underneath a table kicking people as they walked by. My shipmates found that hilarious. I ended up flying home on my own dime to take the cure at the detox ward again. Fortunately I managed to sober up finally. If they seem likeable when one is dead drunk then perhaps they’re not all bad. Maybe we could learn to like them after we enslave them and they’ve been doing our bidding for several decades…just kidding. Also, the Arabs in Saudi Arabia liked us just so long as we continued to provide them with an endless stream of pornography. American soldiers we took there on the ship loaded their Bradley fighting vehicles with enough vodka to fill a swimming pool, something which the Saudi’s remained blissfully unaware of since the military wasn’t subject to customs inspections. What can I say? Saudi Arabia is a creepy place.

  89. Norman Conquest January 16, 2012 at 2:38 pm #

    Thanks Deni, for perhaps the most intelligent and humane comment so far today (and thanks Rhino, for the least).

  90. metuselah January 16, 2012 at 2:40 pm #

    Paul Craig Roberts is full of shit.
    ==
    Paul Craig Roberts is a yankee imperialist asshole. His main lament is not about the theft, slavery, mass murder, and propaganda lies that is yankee imperialism, but that it might end sooner than he would like, due to mismanagement. The guy has racist imperialist turd written all over him.

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  91. bubbleheadMarc January 16, 2012 at 2:45 pm #

    Jews have influence disproportionate to their numbers in this country [USA] because they don’t waste their school days on sports and baton twirling. What a concept! School is for learning academics and cultural enrichment, not for recreational activities that often like football, could end up making a cripple of you. By the way, wasn’t it fun watching that relgious asshole Tebow get his ass handed to him by the New England Patriots?

  92. Vlad Krandz January 16, 2012 at 2:47 pm #

    Nice ad from American Military University at top of page. Study Anti-Terrorism etc. They really know where to place their ads!

  93. Vlad Kramps January 16, 2012 at 2:48 pm #

    I think it’s fairly obvious that Israel has a great deal of influence over our leaders, despite the country’s small size. They have Jews all over the world to do their bidding for them. Take Obama’s overheard remark about how he hates to deal with Netanyahu. It is telling. Why would the (arguably) most powerful leader in the world (Obama) put up with Netanyahu for even a nanny second if Bibi didn’t hold some sway over what goes on in the world theatre, and most particularly, America. Most of the industry that hasn’t gone to China belongs to the Jews. Think Hollyweird entertainment/ infotainment and retail. They’re smart. It’s the way things work in the world.
    China makes $$$ off of the U.S. because we buy their cheap shit made from slave wages. Imagine 10 year old boys and girls working 12 hour days producing Barbie dolls in this country. If Newt has his way, this will happen here, too. I think that’s what the Repubs. mean when they say they want to bring jobs back here again. Pay scale could be 50 cents per assembled doll. That’s big money for a 10 year old. Not so much for one who is 30.

  94. Vlad Krandz January 16, 2012 at 2:52 pm #

    How? Um because the Jews are Nation without Borders. Now I didn’t make that up – Theodore Herzl or Chaim Weitzman did. Are they Anti-Semites?
    Are you stupid or do you think we are? In other words Bill, it’s not working anymore. You folks better work up some new material.

  95. metuselah January 16, 2012 at 2:55 pm #

    the Jews are Nation without Borders
    ==
    Because? Continue the thought. What happened to make it so?

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  96. Vlad Krandz January 16, 2012 at 2:56 pm #

    Also they seek power. Nothing else explains how the 3% are such a big percentage of the 1%. And unlike “our” 1% they use their power for the advancement of their own people. Out 1% is amoral or under social pressure from their peers, give away vast sums to Africa while America goes down the toilet.

  97. Vlad Krandz January 16, 2012 at 2:58 pm #

    Thank you for admitting I’m right. You just shot Bill in the foot. I win and you two lose.
    Get it? We think just like you guys. Where did we learn it? From you.

  98. sevenmmm January 16, 2012 at 2:59 pm #

    Well, those out of unemployment benefits won’t be effected…

  99. asoka. January 16, 2012 at 2:59 pm #

    Nation without Borders? Now you are talking my language!
    Vlad, why would you be opposed to Jews running things; are you not in favor of meritocracy?

  100. Vlad Kramps January 16, 2012 at 3:01 pm #

    If the U.S. dares fuck with Iran, it’s not the Iranians to be feared, but Iran’s neighbors. China, as usual, will sit things out to see who blinks first. Russia has its eyes on the prize as well. As the entire world collectively grows to hate us (as we so deserve), you may find a shit storm the likes of which neither you nor I have the capacity to imagine. I’m not sure, but I think most Muslims find the idea of our marines giving Muslim corpses golden showers isn’t redeeming and doesn’t endear us to them, somehow.

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  101. Vlad Krandz January 16, 2012 at 3:01 pm #

    If we could just inject alcohol into their water supply…Beats bombing Mecca like the Neo Cons want.
    People have no idea of how bizarre this influential school of Foreign Policy really is. Thus they get away with murder.

  102. Vlad Kramps January 16, 2012 at 3:08 pm #

    Creepy is right. Having homo sex is a crime which will get you killed in Saudi Arabia, yet the Saudi princes delight in having “dancing boys” dress up like girls in harem costumes for parties. The guests routinely orally and anally ravage these pre-pubescent “entertainers”. If you don’t believe me, pull it up on Youtube.

  103. Vlad Krandz January 16, 2012 at 3:09 pm #

    I don’t feel like being a slave and seen as an animal, thank you very much.
    The Chinese are a higher race and they know it. They consider the Malays as trash – and the Malays know it. A few years ago the Chinese Minority were well on their way to dominating Malaysia until the Malays started kicking Chinese heads thru the streets.
    I support the Malays. And I support Whites in their own Countries. We have a right to be ruled by our own Elite – which is just as smart as East Asians or Jews. The percentage of high IQ’s is lower among Whites but the highs are just as high.
    Now no race could benefit more from some Eugenics than Whites – especially Northern Europeans. We produce far more retards and degenerates than the East Asians or Jews. They know this and like it. If we were to try and remake ourselves the shitstorm on our heads would be beyond belief – just one more reason to have countries of our own.

  104. jonabark January 16, 2012 at 3:09 pm #

    For those unfamiliar with Jm’s political leanings, he was a full on supporter of the war on Iraq, admitting it was surrogate revenge. This fear mongering about Iran is pretty ugly. They are not threatening us and are far too realistic to attack Israel, even with nuclear weapons. They are surrounded by USmilitary bases. They were overthrown by the US and the ruthless fake royal Shah put in place. Those were the halycon days when some Iranian professors read Lolita while fellow Iranians were screaming in agony in the Shah’s torture chambers, and we aren’t talking hundreds , but tens of thousands. When they kicked out that piece of shit with the only base of solidarity they had-Islam- after they returned all the Americans safely and untortured we soon organized a mass attack by Iraq supplied with our weapons, conventional and chemical. They had the audacity to defend their borders. There are 25,000 Jewish Iranians, with a seat in parliament . They annually turn down money to move to Israel. Kuntsler is good on the economy and peak oil but is full of nasty stereotypes, surrogate war crimes and hyperbolic bullshit when it comes to politics and war in the Persian Gulf region.

  105. Vlad Krandz January 16, 2012 at 3:12 pm #

    You don’t disagree though. You know I’m right yet continue to worship him, your unclean idol. You live by Lies.

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  106. 8man January 16, 2012 at 3:13 pm #

    The Kramp says:
    “I have an announcement to make. I have just killed Myrtle May. Tracked the tired old bitch down and shot her in the head with a 45. She never knew what hit her. So that makes 3 CFN’ers I’ve knocked off: Q, Myrtle, and LLB …well, I haven’t got to Lew yet…just kinda stakin him out up here in Washington. ”
    I answer:
    I am worried about Cash and Marlin, haven’t seen them in a while either; I am wondering if the killer, the Kramp, killed them too, hmmm…..strange things happen here, this site is getting dangerous. We want pretty so as to reflect ourselves in pretty (we don’t want ugly girls right ?) but why do we need to confirm ourselves through others to ourselves ?
    This site attracts kind of crazy kinds….
    TOBOR ATE MAN

  107. metuselah January 16, 2012 at 3:14 pm #

    Thank you for admitting I’m right.
    ==
    I did no such thing. Theodore Herzl or Chaim Weizmann comments were obviously made pre-1948 Israel.
    Now, how about you show a little integrity and explain what happened to cause the Jews to be a nation without borders for almost 2,000 years.

  108. Vlad Kramps January 16, 2012 at 3:15 pm #

    According to Elaine Supkis, JHK is a Zionist. Apparently they used to be friends before she found this out about him. And now they don’t speak to each other. Still, he continues to have her under the “links” section, which, if nothing else, tells something about JHK’s level of tolerence.

  109. Vlad Kramps January 16, 2012 at 3:24 pm #

    I liked Cash and Marlin (even tho he hates queers), so I wouldn’t want them killed. Q had to die because he was such an a-hole about grammar and shit. This is a blog for Christ’s sake, not an English class. As for Myrtle, she deserved to die for being a worthless, petty, miserable old drug-hazed crybaby. Both Q and MM, having both been born and lived their entire lives in the era of super abundance in America, with a never-ending reign of affluence coming down on them, what use were they to CFN? I did ya’ll a favor. I especially didn’t like MM, as she lived the priviledged life of the upper-crust, well-educated white woman while at the same time bitching about how unfair life was to her. Talk about good riddance. If a gun hadn’t killed her, I’d probably have had to purchase a spike and drive it through her miserable old heart.

  110. treuburger January 16, 2012 at 3:26 pm #

    “Since no one else has mentioned it yet, Happy MLK Day to you all! [….]
    ..from Detroit”
    hmm, I’m a little puzzled here as I’ve seen Detroit and few other places where his “dream” came to logical conclusions. Maybe that’s why no one has mentioned it?…
    The trouble is that following on his advice to give everyone a fair chance may open folks’ eyes to those nasty and diverse outcomes of human evolution. Some may even find a strange correlation between that and the color of the skin – and then what? Calculate the mind boggling monetary costs? Segregate schools, cities, infrastructure? Terrible thoughts…
    So we better follow Jim’s example and stay the heck out of that subject. Let’s just talk about safe walkable communities, white Christian corn-pone wannabe dictators, and oil peak chaos. And stick it to the Vatican whenever we can. And that fat, lazy, clumsy, needy elephant in the room? The next generation can worry about it. That’s the american way, after all.

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  111. Vlad Kramps January 16, 2012 at 3:29 pm #

    I have seen the fat, lazy, clumsy, needy elephant in the room, and he is us.

  112. anti soak January 16, 2012 at 3:36 pm #

    “Live not by Lies”.
    Not even WHITE Lies???
    HAPPY MLK DAY TO ALL!

  113. anti soak January 16, 2012 at 3:40 pm #

    And what groups are most violent in USA?
    The guy accused of killing 4 homeless is the child
    of [no surprise] a mexican immigrant…
    Also the accused killer is a Vet who is PTSD.

  114. Vlad Krandz January 16, 2012 at 3:40 pm #

    Read the book “The Grandees” about the Sephardics who controlled much of the American Slave Trade out of Newport, Rhode Island.
    You are such an asshole.

  115. Vlad Krandz January 16, 2012 at 3:47 pm #

    Which White lies deepest in the dust? How about the guy who King plagiarized: when interviewed, he said how proud he was to be plagiarized by such a great man. Great self esteem huh? Indeed how low the Builder Race has fallen. We who were about to venture out into Space, but an ape leaped up and grabed our heel and threw us into the mire.
    Not Tobor. He is innocent – a good space monkey.

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  116. wagelaborer January 16, 2012 at 3:47 pm #

    Thank you to all who pointed out JHK’s impudent reversal of the truth re: Iran.
    I get the feeling that JHK watches and internally absorbs a LOT of TV. He references TV personalities I’ve never heard of.
    Clearly, he has internalized the propaganda about Iran. You would think that a man who writes about peak oil and spends so much time ruminating over money matters would draw the connection that others have over Iran’s oil. And their disattachment to the global banking system. But he just parrots the corporate media line.
    It amazes me that our ruling overlords and TV talking heads can say such nonsense without choking on their own hypocrisy. And that otherwise intelligent people can swallow it.
    He states as fact that Iran has been run by crazy people trying to exact revenge on the US for 33 years. Really? And how exactly did they do that?
    By fighting against the US-backed Iraqi invasion of Iran a year after they had the audacity to throw the US-backed Shah out?
    The nerve of those towel-heads!
    Thank you again to all who responded so politely and factually. My first reaction was not as polite.
    Especially to charlie, who has the tact and charm that I wish everyone could have. Kudos to you, charlie!
    And Deni, who I’ve never seen before. Thank you also, for pointing out that the casual acceptance of mass murder, whether by war or sanctions, shows that the US has achieved the spiritual death that MLK warned us about.
    A nation that spends more every year on the military, rather than programs of social uplift, is approaching spiritual death.
    Well, we approached and then embraced it. And the results are not pretty.

  117. wagelaborer January 16, 2012 at 3:52 pm #

    I don’t know what happened to cash, but marlin is still around, as widespreadpanic. Can’t you tell by the jingoism, mixed with gun fetishism?
    I am defending Myrtle’s honor here. She was a sharp and funny woman, with a talent for writing.
    She didn’t come from money, although she seemed to have married into it.
    If she’s dead, I’m sorry.

  118. metuselah January 16, 2012 at 3:58 pm #

    LOL! I might as well read your vatican/jesuit authored “Protocols of Zion”.
    But again, you show you have zero integrity. You misrepresent, lie, and misdirect with every David Duke plagiarized and parroted utterance you make. You are pathetic beyond belief. Calling you an asshole would be to elevate you a step beyond what you are. I’m not going to do that, you pathetic Vatican Sith.

  119. wagelaborer January 16, 2012 at 4:01 pm #

    I’m surprised that you don’t like Obama then, Vlad.
    After all, he and his mama moved to Indonesia with his step-daddy, who got pulled out of his Hawaii college to go back home and help Suharto kill close to a million leftist civilians, who were mostly ethnic Chinese.
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/08/18/wayne-madsen-obamas-cia-connections-part-i-and-ii/
    I would think that a million dead Chinese leftists would make you feel a little more friendly to Barry.

  120. Bustin J January 16, 2012 at 4:02 pm #

    Leib, I think the thing is Americans have been getting dumber and dumber.
    Look at the stats.
    18th in quality of education
    26th in graduation rate
    43rd in realizing God is a mental construct
    but
    1st in blowing away digital zombies
    1st in neck flame tattoo art
    1st in breast implants
    There you go.

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  121. Jim Eberle January 16, 2012 at 4:03 pm #

    Mrs. Beasley.
    Why is it that the only items I can find for sale at Walmart are food and stationary? Everything else is made in east Asia, primarily China. Check it out.

  122. bubbleheadMarc January 16, 2012 at 4:03 pm #

    LLB just emailed me and said he was wondering if you’re the frozen wino camped out in the alley next to this bookstore? All in all this has been a delightfully creepy day on the blog which has made my day off more entertaining than usual so thank you for your contributions.

  123. Vlad Krandz January 16, 2012 at 4:05 pm #

    Well the Romans kicked them to the four winds after the Bar Kokhba rebellion. The Jewish forces under this false messiah had behaved with extreme brutality killing, raping, mutitlating, and yes, eating both Roman Soldiers and Civilians through out Palestine, Cypress, and Alexandria. Read about in the unedited versions Gibbons “Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire”. Forget Wikipedia of course.
    This was the third revolt and the worst. The Romans had had it. So the payback was extreme. You have a moral right to revolt of course – but not to butcher Greek Civilians in Alexandria or Roman ones everywhere. You had the right to Palestine after taking it from the Phillistines and Amorrites etc. And they had every right to revolt against you as imperialists. The dog barks, the caravan passes.
    Catholic Tradition is clear: the Jews will again choose a False Messiah, this time the Anti-Christ. All talk about a World Religion is leading to his Advent.
    In the end, many Jews will awaken and accept Christ. True Jews have always known that Palestine could never be their’s through military force but rather only through Supernatural Agency. Until then they were to pray and repent of the sins that caused theme to lose the Holy Land. Also to pray for the Rulers in whom Countries they dwelt. In other words, true Jews are and always have been very rare. Just like real Christians.

  124. Jim Eberle January 16, 2012 at 4:05 pm #

    Correction: Only items which are American made at Walmart are food and stationary.

  125. Vlad Kramps January 16, 2012 at 4:06 pm #

    Yeah, he does that. Kinda reveals what Elaine says about him being a Zionist. Problem in this country is that Zionism rules. The Clinton’s daughter married a big time Jew. Now she’s got a reporter job to continue selling the spew.
    Who owns the banks? The movie industry? Since, oh, I don’t know, 1910? Yep, you guessed it, da Jews. And they all have a foot in the door in every single room of the White House. Note how bankers and Hollywood are forever guests at White House dinners. It has been revealed that in 2009, right after “The Great Recession” squeezed all of us by the balls, that Obama and Michelle threw a Halloween party featuring Johnny Depp in costume as the Mad Hatter, and the East room decorated by Hollywood director Tim Burton. Unemployment was souring, people were threatened with eviction, and the White House left this little party unmentioned. The (Zionist) press dutifully remained silent. Continue playing with you thing-a-ma-bob, peasants. Party on, Garth!

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  126. charliefoxtrot January 16, 2012 at 4:12 pm #

    wage, either vkramps is pulling our collective chain, or has committed the fauxest of pas: upthread, (he) claims to have killed myrtle by shooting her w/ a .45- the same mo, btw as claimed for the demise of Q-check- which i for one hope is greatly exaggerated; i was having fun with him

  127. k-dog January 16, 2012 at 4:16 pm #

    In the background of these grave machinations lurks the tragedy of Iran.

    Yes Iran is tragic:
    But it’s all a put on. Imagine a very large and powerful country invaded Canada or Mexico to ensure their supply to the tar sands or the soon to be extinct Mexican oil supplies ten years ago. Now ten years later this rich and powerful country is in a state of festering internal rot and can’t afford to keep its troops in Canada or Mexico any more so they are pulled home.
    Imagine as well the media of this rich powerful and mythical country wants to save face and try and project an image of strength as it withdraws troops with its tail between its legs like the scared dog it is.
    I’m sure they could find a few nutballs here who will loudly shout how much we hate the occupying imperialist dogs and want to destroy them. Turn on the microphone and point.
    Imagine this rich powerful and mythical country has a compliant media that touts whatever imperial propaganda they get in the morning email.
    Yes, it is tragic to see so many drink the Iran kool-aid every day.
    Why would Iran start a war when all hey have to do is wait. They have oil of their own. All they have to do is wait.
    Does it really make any sense?
    K-dog

  128. asoka. January 16, 2012 at 4:18 pm #

    The (Zionist) press dutifully remained silent.
    ===============
    Zionist press?
    Your antisemitism is ugly.

  129. Vlad Kramps January 16, 2012 at 4:26 pm #

    And unlike your hatred of whitey and your embrace of open borders? You are a hypocrite. Fleeing to Equador was the nail in your coffin where hypocrisy is concerned. The more you dig, the deeper and farther in shit you become, ass wipe.

  130. Alexandra January 16, 2012 at 4:30 pm #

    I have to conquer with our blog-meister James HK, and the insightful musings of John Robb… its green-lighted for the US/UK NATO coalition action to go hit Iran soon and the drivers are all in place now…
    http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2012/01/the-heartbeat-of-war-with-iran.html
    And its not Iran’s oil that’s really important folks, they have to import petrol for cars there you know… tis the LNG, twas Libya for the sweet crude we needed my dears and critically there underlying water table too.
    (Water wars will be the next decades play)
    This could seriously f#ck-up my plans for sailing outta Turkey come April… b#gger and damn, defo if Nukes go orf!!
    And I’m with the lovely Lbendet on this call, the virtual ‘pre-op’ games in post play out analysis are never replicated as expected, come the shock-an-awe real-time strikes…. but I would also agree with JHK, that when the OECD audience get totally spooked, with ghastly ‘yuff’ unemployment prospects as they be collectively right now, mixed with economic doom-n-gloom perspectives…
    You really do need to up the level of ‘magic’ lever pulling behind the curtain… and a new war of note does that beautifully of course. It means O’Bammy could also put off the looming election too due to the security emergency unfolding…
    The tiny% of peeps reading this blog, and those that might protest are of no significance, much like the OWSERs et al are insignificant. Your national laws have just been changed to make sure that any derision will be crushed in fact… since 9/11 lots has quietly been moving on.
    War’s good for business here in the West, its well proven, has been before, time and time again in fact. So if I were smart and a middle-class Iranian, I’d be getting me & my family the f#ck out of the locale PDQ…
    In the words of ‘Colonel Kilgore’ keep your heads down CFN’ers… this is gonna be a big one… the clue will be continued troop movements…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My3aRRe3MqQ&
    Toodle-pip
    A xx

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  131. Vlad Kramps January 16, 2012 at 4:32 pm #

    anytime, big guy!

  132. Kurt Cagle January 16, 2012 at 4:38 pm #

    I agree. I’m laying out that the US COULD attack Iran, not that I feel they should (and personally I think it would not only be ethically wrong, but just a dumb idea). Of course, this is the United States wer’re talking about here – it’s essential that they protect the dollar as reserve currency at all cost, even if it means sacrificing what’s left of real morality and ethics in this country.

  133. Bustin J January 16, 2012 at 4:41 pm #

    I think commentators are forgetting that Iran is a very large country and it is by no means homogenous. They had their own ‘Persian spring’ and it you subtract all the brown-shirts and mullah-Omar characters, you have a very large population of people who are generally itching to overthrow their religious dictatorship and invoke secular reformation.
    As for the military threat, I don’t find any of the scenarios on offer here to be credible. The strait of Hormuz is a well-defined, relatively small area which has been mapped to the millimeter and monitored by a seasoned crew of 22 year old kids deep in the air force bunkers under the Rocky Mountains, able to put a pound of high explosive on the forehead of any mullah within 15 minutes.
    Neither do I think an engagement of Iran result in widespread economic turmoil. Hillary has already negotiated the displacement of potential supply disruption.
    I think the example of Egypt is instructive. As in Egypt, you have a solid core of MEN who are the government-paid enforcers. They are brownshirts, cops, secret police, domestic military, standard military, what-have-you. These men have no other skills or abilities. They are a population surplus. In Egypt, the Arab spring failed to realize its aims by naively concluding that MEN will rise to the occasion.
    It is my general perception that human beings tend to ossify with time, that is, they reinforce their existing patterns of behavior at the expense of any change. A sort of negative inertia. In Iraq, professionals at the art of shooting people and taking orders to oppress their countrymen were more or less unreformable. They gave up their weapons, spent a few months wandering about without an identity (job), and then found themselves back in what was familiar (blowing people up, shooting people, and taking orders).
    So the real task to remediate Iran is to take a very large straw, stick it in that Persian milkshake, and filter out all the good people, and flush the rest down the sink with a chaser of strong bleach.
    In the long run it might just make sense to lure the larger part of their armed forces into a single area and then nuke them, and see if the mullahs can resist the next pro-democracy movement.
    It would be awesome, if, some quantum physics type weapon could be designed that violently liberated the energy in kalashnikov rifle stocks all over the world so they would blow up, killing their owners. Sadly, we might have to rely on drone strikes. What about using pennies instead of expensive ammo? A drone patrols at 50,000 feet, about 48,750 feet higher than the Empire State building, and everyone knows a penny dropped from the top of the Empire State building can kill a pedestrian on the street…

  134. metuselah January 16, 2012 at 4:47 pm #

    This was the third revolt and the worst. The Romans had had it.
    ==
    LOL! The imperialists had had it. The shameless fscks have had it. They had it with the insolence of their subjects wanting to be free of imperialist slavery thievery brutality depravity lies and mass murder. The shameless imperialists fscks had had it! They had had it! LOL!

  135. Stuart January 16, 2012 at 4:49 pm #

    I thought Jim and readers might enjoy the following, lifted from the current edition of UK satirical magazine Private Eye.
    ““U.S. OCCUPATION OF AMERICA IS A FAILURE”, DECLARE CRITICS
    AFTER a 250 year military presence, the achievements of the American occupation of America have been called sharply into question. “Despite spending billions of dollars, the country still remains a hotbed of gun-toting religious extremists with only a toehold on democracy,” say critics. “Pity the poor ordinary American people. At least in Iraq they were only there for 8 years. This looks like going on forever.” (Reuters)”
    Many a true word spoken in jest.

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  136. metuselah January 16, 2012 at 4:50 pm #

    Vlad, tell me again how your imperialists fscks had had it.

  137. BeantownBill January 16, 2012 at 4:55 pm #

    Although I’m a Patriots fan, I REALLY wanted them to win because I desperately didn’t want to hear from all the religious freaks that God made Tebow win. Tebowmania already was obnoxious enough.

  138. Bustin J January 16, 2012 at 4:59 pm #

    BHM said “Fans of the paranormal should be aware that the Scientific Remote Viewers at Fort Meade, MD foresaw [while astrally projecting] that in the near future the entire human race would be forced to abandon the planets’ surface owing to massive environmental degradation. Bibliography: “Psychic Warrior” by Moore.”
    As an alternative, see James Lovelock’s Gaia’s Revenge for the same conclusion.
    I said “think the example of Egypt is instructive. As in Egypt, you have a solid core of MEN who are the government-paid enforcers. ”
    I think I should also add this is not a problem indigenous to Iran, but all over the world, and the US is no exception. In America, kids are mindwashed early and often to anticipate and pursue a career via the gun. They join the varsity sports teams and end up in the army for a tour or two or three, and then, upon graduating, parlay their skills of obedience to authority and a reverence for macho posturing and fetish for violence and fill the ranks of the police, private security, professional mercenaries, domestic and international “law enforcement”, TSA, Border patrol, and of course, the CIA, DEA, ATF, FBI and all the other inertia-bound organizations whose sole purpose is to keep the status quo the status quo.
    On the weekends these clowns take their high median wages down to the local Paki-mart and buy a half-rack of beer and grille meat while associating with… other like minded public servants. Later, they will enjoy full benefits, unearned and lavish praise from the nation for the ‘huge sacrifices’ and a generous pension. They fill our roads with very large trucks, very large dogs, and very large outsize American Pride stickers, and, pf course, grow most of the nation’s crop of moustaches.

  139. k-dog January 16, 2012 at 5:06 pm #

    Good Job WL.
    People can see what I mean by clicking on the WL above.
    I used an anchor tag.
    All one has to do to learn to make an anchor tag is Google ‘HTML anchor tags’. Two minutes is all it takes to learn and they can be used here.
    I’ll try and use HTML comments to publish an anchor tag template now to make it even easier. This may not work.
    .
    It would be nice if those who frequently publish URLs knew this blog accepted anchor tags.
    It would be a lot neater to see the burst of self promotion at the start of the comments every week done this way. They could even be saved and cut and pasted later.
    K-dog

  140. BeantownBill January 16, 2012 at 5:06 pm #

    Could you please tell the appropriate Jews to give me retirement money, so I can retire NOW? After all, they rule the world, and I’m a member of the tribe. I mean, at the Indian casinos, after all expenses, the net, net profit is divided up and distributed to every member.
    I’ve heard this word before, I think it’s called diplomacy. Ya think maybe that’s why Obama didn’t boot Netanyahu’s ass?
    What a dumb, ignorant fuck you are.

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  141. Bustin J January 16, 2012 at 5:07 pm #

    VK says “Catholic Tradition is clear: the Jews will again choose a False Messiah, this time the Anti-Christ. All talk about a World Religion is leading to his Advent. ”
    Eh, what have you been smoking? DMT?
    The Jews believe in the absentee God. You know, he created us & then took off because he had other things to take care of in some other time and space. He may or may not come back.
    Thus a sub-population of Jewry forming a sect and adhering to a new messiah doesn’t seem likely. Jew-day-izzum didn’t fall for any of the other messiahs since the time of Moezehz, so what is so special about >Now

  142. BeantownBill January 16, 2012 at 5:11 pm #

    If, by “we” you mean the white supremacists and the bunch of anti-Semites who comment here, yes I do think you’re all stupid.

  143. Bustin J January 16, 2012 at 5:13 pm #

    Wage you should traipse to your local netflicks and take a gander at “Offside” an indie Iranian film banned in Iran about women who are football fans who are barred from watching football because they are women. Most of the film is an eye-opening account of standing outside the stadium trying to cajole the dumpy-looking inbred moron Male militia/policemen to allow them inside.
    It was subversive and banned in Iran because the script creates a dialogue that examines the absurdity of life in Iran, the absurdity of its Shariah law, and the struggle of Persians under Islamic fascism.
    See it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499537/

  144. metuselah January 16, 2012 at 5:16 pm #

    Why not google “CIA and Hollywood” or “Rothschild and Vatican”?
    It’s time you educate yourself.

  145. Bustin J January 16, 2012 at 5:19 pm #

    Vk says “King liked White Prostitutes more than Black – and sometimes he liked to beat them.”
    Who cares how many women, men, or miniature ponies of any color polished his knob, he spat this into a microphone in front of the world:
    http://youtu.be/b80Bsw0UG-U
    Doesn’t that deserve a blow job, or maybe some light S&M? Who cares?
    MLK was a man living under a 24 hour death sentence, and yet he spoke truth to power- that is raw courage. In the end it is not a man’s sexual relations or marital fidelity that matter, but how he participated in the fight against Evil in his day and age.

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  146. ctemple January 16, 2012 at 5:24 pm #

    Oddly enough I don’t remember this complaining about religion in sports when Muhammad Ali could’t go anywhere without a Nation of Islam representative with him. Or when Bobby Joe Jackson changed his name to Muhammad Abdul Muhammad to honor the great Allah.

  147. Vlad Kramps January 16, 2012 at 5:27 pm #

    As Carlin once said, “You’re not in the club.” Just because you have Jewish heritage doesn’t necessarily make you a Zionist. And just because I’m Catholic, it doesn’t make me pro-life or any of the other shit they may say. I ain’t in the club, either. Ignorant? Perhaps. But I don’t shut my eyes and mind to the truth, which is that the Vatican, the Zionist Jews, and their paid-for lackies in Congress run the whole show. Hint: Just cause you’re old don’t make you smart. Just look at Asoka for proof of dat, mo fo!

  148. ctemple January 16, 2012 at 5:29 pm #

    The money the police and military earn is not unearned, as you put it. They do their jobs. Do we need to start one war after another, no, not in my opinion. And if they are too over weight and gauche for you, ohh goodness gracias.

  149. insufferable January 16, 2012 at 5:30 pm #

    This may be a small commentary on a small aside from Jim, but Downton Abby is a wonderful program that highlights the era of 1900 to after WWI. This has always been a favorite time of history for me for various reasons. First of all my grandfather fought in WWI on the side of Italy. In Sicily, he told me, the Italians were not really into war. Especially him. He went from regiment to regiment and was eventually caught. He however, gave himself a horrific rash and wound up in a hospital and eventually, as they were coming to arrest him, escaped out the back window of the hospital on a horse. He spent the remainder of the war in the Sicilian hills. I met the man who brought food to my grandfather (as a boy). He testified that he was a hero and much respected in his town for his ability to evade the army. He has always been my hero and I have tried to mould myself after his abilty to stand up to the people who just want to f***k you over for their own well being. However, I digress!. The era of Downton Abby took place in England and signaled the end of the rich Aristocracy as they knew it. (try to get good help today!, impossible). My grandfather’s class struggle however, led to a better place. He came to America, and made a good name and place for himself and my family. He became rich, in monetary and spiritual ways that he could NEVER have in europe. America, for all her faults may really be a country for only the downtrodden and poor. Maybe those of us who have “made it”, must adhere to the rules they followed which was to have a dream and follow it. Maybe those of us who have lost that abilty will loose the gift of america and fall to the wayside. If you truly want to make it here, you have to rise above yourself. Think out of the box. Become someone you could never be in a small world of defeat. You too can be happy here. Believe, try, work hard and keep the faith. There is a place for you here. The rich from Downton Abby had to adapt or die. The poor workers for Downtown Abby had to work and adapt to survive. The key here is to adapt to changing times, keep you faith in yourself and abilty to succeed no matter what the circumstances and you will make it. I guarantee it!

  150. ctemple January 16, 2012 at 5:36 pm #

    And here I thought there wssn’t any good or evil in the world, that religion is just a superstitious concept, better left in the past.
    Reality is just a head trip.
    I assume the sainted Dr King did do some good if he got the left to admit to concepts of good and evil.

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  151. Widespreadpanic7 January 16, 2012 at 5:40 pm #

    Good Post, Jim … Right to the point. But get ready for some of your fans, right here, to label you a Zionist, an imperialist and a warmonger. (Asoka and WageLabor) Not that you should care. You didn’t mention the ‘Carter Doctrine’, pretty much taken from FDR, which labels middle east oil a strategic national asset which will be protected by US force. That was the basis of President Bush’s invasion of Iraq, and it would be the basis of the Navy clearing Iranian ships out of the Straits of Hormuz.
    –WSP7

  152. metuselah January 16, 2012 at 5:41 pm #

    I’m a Zionist. Where the fsck are my paychecks!?

  153. Bustin J January 16, 2012 at 5:43 pm #

    Deni said, “It’s indicative of our contagious national sociopathy when the potential genocidal extermination of another nation’s people is described with such insouciance. ”
    Oh you sanctimonious prick. Its hard not to applaud the destruction of religious fascism no matter where it occurs. And if the anti-war forces of the world wish to affect real change, no one is stopping them.
    But they are not, because the peace movement is filled with peaceniks who believe that ideology alone can accomplish goals. It cannot.
    Deni said “Rarely do they acknowledge the fact that killing human beings is tragic, very tragic and cause for reflection and remorse.”
    Actually, it is a sliding scale. When old people die no one thinks it is tragic. When babies die, thye think it is. And when pet animals of any age or condition die, their owners think it is tragic. No one thinks the amphetamine-fueled nazi stormtroopers that died in WWII died “tragic” deaths.
    Indeed, there are non-tragic deaths. There are deaths where the planet is MUCH better off without them. When George W. Bush dies of a bladder infection from too much alcohol, it will not be tragic. When Humpy the dancing whale dies at SeaWorld it will be tragic. It will not be tragic for the stumbling, antibiotic-addled Geurnsey cow is finally put down. It will not be tragic as the hundreds of fetuses with chromosomal deficiencies are aborted every year due to mom’s imbibement of alcoholic beverages.
    In short, not every person is special, and certainly, some people are just creepy products of mindless procreation without any participatory value. The Iranian armed forces is filled with subnormal boys and men whose limited capacity for intelligence has relegated them to life-long status as street corner snitches and enforcers, to beat old women and sick men for wearing shorts or unveiled chops.
    Line em up and machine-gun these useless bags of shit in mass graves. Or, do it from 50,000 feet with supersonic pennies.
    If there is one thing the world is overfull with, it is destructive little pricks thinking themselves full of God’s favor and made in his image.
    “Visualize a sunken American super-carrier or a few dozen large missiles landing upon Tel Aviv. ”
    I’m trying, but can’t. Believe it or not their ability to land missiles on Tel Aviv would have come from one source technology- the Russians- who haven’t been able to achieve competence in modern rocketry of late. What might happen is a pathetic attempt at a launch and the accidental bombing of the Gaza strip, Jordan, Lebanon, or may be splash down in the Meditteranian.
    In other words, IF they overcome their own incompetence and launch, IF their math is strong enough to carry an unguided missile without the use of GPS. IF it makes it through a blizzard of anti-missile defenses, it might make contact delivering a negligible amount of ordinance in what will probably be a tactically inconsequential area.
    As for Iran being a civilization… It does not have the history past one generation of being “Iran”. In fact it is filled with proud Persians who really don’t want their oppressive regime. It will not be like Iraq, where, when the snake head was chopped off, there was no living memory of anything but a clabbered-together, military and colonial history.
    Jagger said “If we left Iran alone, I strongly suspect they would leave everyone else alone. They certainly don’t have a history of aggression over the last few centuries unlike Israel or the US. But Isreal and our 1% want Iran put down, so they will sic the great big dumb dog, the 99%, on to Iran. When history looks back on this timeframe, I suspect we are going to be judged as the predators. ”
    …unless we win, and then history will write us up more or less positively!
    Anyway, the idea that we should lay off Iran is just silly. We are the world’s policeman and enforcer, and its been real good for us and for the world.
    Iran is a state that keeps threatening to blow up Israel and blow up the US. A Precautionary principle should apply to all things, and so it is a balance: precaution toward Iran’s implicit threats of war, precaution toward our own instigation of neutralizing force.
    As the moment of truth approaches, the anti-war crowd simply becomes more and more shrill. It is annoying to those of us who are sympathetic because it is an unrealistic view. Humans are bestial creatures who are more or less responsive to a good ass-kicking and occasional reduction to compost-able remains.
    At a certain point, most oppressive regimes (ours included) tend to become peopled by authoritarian douche-bags. As sad as it might seem, perhaps the best use of such populations is the controlled release upon other populations of authoritarian douche-bags.

  154. metuselah January 16, 2012 at 5:44 pm #

    He spent the remainder of the war in the Sicilian hills.
    ==
    I wish everybody everywhere would be smart enough to do the same.

  155. BeantownBill January 16, 2012 at 5:46 pm #

    I just wanted to congratulate you on your website. I think it’s great. You got my vote, man.
    K-dog for President!

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  156. Bustin J January 16, 2012 at 5:47 pm #

    Deni said, “It’s indicative of our contagious national sociopathy when the potential genocidal extermination of another nation’s people is described with such insouciance. ”
    Oh you sanctimonious prick. Its hard not to applaud the destruction of religious fascism no matter where it occurs. And if the anti-war forces of the world wish to affect real change, no one is stopping them.
    But they are not, because the peace movement is filled with peaceniks who believe that ideology alone can accomplish goals. It cannot.
    Deni said “Rarely do they acknowledge the fact that killing human beings is tragic, very tragic and cause for reflection and remorse.”
    Actually, it is a sliding scale. When old people die no one thinks it is tragic. When babies die, thye think it is. And when pet animals of any age or condition die, their owners think it is tragic. No one thinks the amphetamine-fueled nazi stormtroopers that died in WWII died “tragic” deaths.
    Indeed, there are non-tragic deaths. There are deaths where the planet is MUCH better off without them. When George W. Bush dies of a bladder infection from too much alcohol, it will not be tragic. When Humpy the dancing whale dies at SeaWorld it will be tragic. It will not be tragic for the stumbling, antibiotic-addled Geurnsey cow is finally put down. It will not be tragic as the hundreds of fetuses with chromosomal deficiencies are aborted every year due to mom’s imbibement of alcoholic beverages.
    In short, not every person is special, and certainly, some people are just creepy products of mindless procreation without any participatory value. The Iranian armed forces is filled with subnormal boys and men whose limited capacity for intelligence has relegated them to life-long status as street corner snitches and enforcers, to beat old women and sick men for wearing shorts or unveiled chops.
    Line em up and machine-gun these useless bags of shit in mass graves. Or, do it from 50,000 feet with supersonic pennies.
    If there is one thing the world is overfull with, it is destructive little pricks thinking themselves full of God’s favor and made in his image.
    “Visualize a sunken American super-carrier or a few dozen large missiles landing upon Tel Aviv. ”
    I’m trying, but can’t. Believe it or not their ability to land missiles on Tel Aviv would have come from one source technology- the Russians- who haven’t been able to achieve competence in modern rocketry of late. What might happen is a pathetic attempt at a launch and the accidental bombing of the Gaza strip, Jordan, Lebanon, or may be splash down in the Meditteranian.
    In other words, IF they overcome their own incompetence and launch, IF their math is strong enough to carry an unguided missile without the use of GPS. IF it makes it through a blizzard of anti-missile defenses, it might make contact delivering a negligible amount of ordinance in what will probably be a tactically inconsequential area.
    As for Iran being a civilization… It does not have the history past one generation of being “Iran”. In fact it is filled with proud Persians who really don’t want their oppressive regime. It will not be like Iraq, where, when the snake head was chopped off, there was no living memory of anything but a clabbered-together, military and colonial history.
    Jagger said “If we left Iran alone, I strongly suspect they would leave everyone else alone. They certainly don’t have a history of aggression over the last few centuries unlike Israel or the US. But Isreal and our 1% want Iran put down, so they will sic the great big dumb dog, the 99%, on to Iran. When history looks back on this timeframe, I suspect we are going to be judged as the predators. ”
    …unless we win, and then history will write us up more or less positively!
    Anyway, the idea that we should lay off Iran is just silly. We are the world’s policeman and enforcer, and its been real good for us and for the world.
    Iran is a state that keeps threatening to blow up Israel and blow up the US. A Precautionary principle should apply to all things, and so it is a balance: precaution toward Iran’s implicit threats of war, precaution toward our own instigation of neutralizing force.
    As the moment of truth approaches, the anti-war crowd simply becomes more and more shrill. It is annoying to those of us who are sympathetic because it is an unrealistic view. Humans are bestial creatures who are more or less responsive to a good ass-kicking and occasional reduction to compost-able remains.
    At a certain point, most oppressive regimes (ours included) tend to become peopled by authoritarian douche-bags. As sad as it might seem, perhaps the best use of such populations is the controlled release upon other populations of authoritarian douche-bags. Its sad but true, some people should be killed. Its a fact of life that is ugly and profane. I blame God.

  157. Widespreadpanic7 January 16, 2012 at 5:50 pm #

    Wage;
    Not a gun fetish. Just Marlins, Winchesters and Colts. That’s all 19th century tech.
    –WSP7

  158. Widespreadpanic7 January 16, 2012 at 5:52 pm #

    A jingo, yes I am a Jingo. But so was John Kennedy … and the great Teddy Roosevelt.
    –WSP7

  159. insufferable January 16, 2012 at 5:57 pm #

    Dear Metsulah,
    Yes, my grandfather always said, “They didn’t do anything to me personally, so why should I kill them.” One day he was assigned to watch a building overnight. He of course, left. The building was blown up. If would have stayed there, I might not be writing this comment. There is a certain amount of common sense there. He never had anything personally against the Germans. He always said, “Everyone in the world wants the same things, the ability to have a family and work. Its the Governments in the world that use its people to do the work for their agendas. Don’t ever fight for anyone or anything unless it personally affects you or someone you love.” Good words to remember, for a lifetime.

  160. BeantownBill January 16, 2012 at 6:00 pm #

    I wasn’t complaining about Tebow himself. He seems like a nice enough kid and he’s entitled to his beliefs. It’s all the religious folks and the media who make a big deal about Tebow’s beliefs that gets my goat. Football is just a game. I’m sure other pro athletes are strongly religious, as well. Maybe we ought to just concentrate on the final scores and save the religion for church.

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  161. metuselah January 16, 2012 at 6:04 pm #

    People can be programmed whichever way. Why not target the program the programmers the operating system that allows it all to happen?

  162. metuselah January 16, 2012 at 6:08 pm #

    Your grandfather was a beautiful person, and you sound like you are one too.

  163. asoka. January 16, 2012 at 6:09 pm #

    You are a hypocrite. Fleeing to Equador was the nail in your coffin where hypocrisy is concerned.
    ================
    From reading this blog I got the idea that survival was important.
    Could you explain how developing a Plan B that involves crossing borders to a tropical paradise makes me a hypocrite?
    Your accusation lack gravitas, so I am having trouble taking it seriously.

  164. BeantownBill January 16, 2012 at 6:11 pm #

    Bustin, well said.

  165. asoka. January 16, 2012 at 6:13 pm #

    Agreed. Which is why it does not bother me in the least if it is true Jews have influence in the media. We need good influences from caring people who are intelligent and have a good sense of humor.

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  166. bubbleheadMarc January 16, 2012 at 6:21 pm #

    I’ve been saying all along to anyone who would listen that we should surrender to the British and rejoin the commonwealth, preferably as a constitutional monarchy like the Canucks, and not as a republic, like India. That would have the advantage of true majority rule as we would get a unicameral legislature with a Prime Minister instead of what we’re currently getting, which is a bicameral clusterfuck headed by an elected king called the president. Maybe then the government could finally get something accomplished.

  167. BeantownBill January 16, 2012 at 6:24 pm #

    So while we’re on this subject, tell me about Zionism. What makes one a Zionist? Enquiring minds want to know.
    BTW, age is just a number. I’m still physically and mentally agile. I may not be able to run as fast as I used to, but I’m not slow. And my joints might creak a little when I get out of a chair, but I can still bend my head to my knee standing up, and can touch my toes as well.
    Intelligence is a genetic trait, and unless one suffers from a mental degradation condition, it remains mostly intact. It’s wisdom that aging is thought to bring; but I’ve seen too many old fools to believe it.

  168. Vlad Kramps January 16, 2012 at 6:32 pm #

    Pretty simple, Bill. Zionists think they’re superior and can and WILL take out anyone who is not Jewish by blood. They do this all the time in Palestine, murdering all Muslims who dare cross into their borders. SAme with business. It, in short, is Nazism in reverse. BTW, How in Hell could you and Asoka reach your old age and still (pretend?) not to know this? Or are you, perhaps, a fifteen year old boy from Kentucky and not an old codger from Boston?

  169. metuselah January 16, 2012 at 6:35 pm #

    Zionists think they’re superior
    ==
    How so?

  170. asoka. January 16, 2012 at 6:39 pm #

    How in Hell could you and Asoka reach your old age and still (pretend?) not to know this?
    ================
    I’m learning new stuff every day. Just cause I’m old doesn’t mean I’m omniscient.
    You did not answer my question regarding your claim that the press is Zionist. I dispute that claim. Especially after your “definition” of Zionist.
    Journalists do not consider themselves superior, nor do they “take out anyone” (in your words).

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  171. asoka. January 16, 2012 at 6:52 pm #

    South Carolina has seven military bases, accounts for SEVEN Billion in war spending.
    73% in South Carolina said they don’t cut Social Security or Medicare and want MORE SPENDING on the military.
    South Carolina is a welfare state. For every dollar in taxes sent to Washington DC, South Carolina gets back $1.45.
    And they say they are against “big government”?

  172. dale January 16, 2012 at 6:53 pm #

    Let’s not kill any Iranians.
    ——————————-
    While I agree with this statement, your first paragraph is something you must have pulled off a website that Metuselah visits….pure nonsense.

  173. asoka. January 16, 2012 at 6:56 pm #

    dale, you are not obliged to agree with anything I say, especially if you consider it pure nonsense.
    However, I did not pull anything off a website. I am the intellectual author of the first paragraph, except for “Oh, woe the day” which I did borrow from Shakespeare without attribution or quote marks.

  174. charliefoxtrot January 16, 2012 at 6:56 pm #

    wow do you really believe all of that? that line about being the world police and enforcer almost looks like sarcasm, but the rest of it is pretty fuckin’ ugly…makes it hard to tell

  175. dale January 16, 2012 at 6:58 pm #

    Why not google “CIA and Hollywood” or “Rothschild and Vatican”?
    It’s time you educate yourself.
    ———————————–
    Yeah….just “google it” Vlad. That’s where all the facts are, right? That’s where you get your “cutting edge” swing from the heels info, right?
    It’s going to be fun watching you to argue in the information free zone.

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  176. dale January 16, 2012 at 7:01 pm #

    Ok, I get it, all the crap about Iranian capabilities, you just made that up. Thanks for wasting our time.

  177. asoka. January 16, 2012 at 7:02 pm #

    My understanding is when something is considered “common knowledge” there is no need for attribution or quote marks. Perhaps I have too high a regard for CFN in assuming y’all have read Shakespeare.
    In any event, I like your objectivity and direct style, dale. I always find your comments informative, and I am especially grateful for the links you provided to Alan Wallace dharma talks. Have you seen his book, Contemplative Science: Where Buddhism and Neuroscience Converge (Columbia Series in Science and Religion)

  178. asoka. January 16, 2012 at 7:06 pm #

    For obvious reasons, I cannot reveal my source of information about Iranian capabilities, but Iran does possess weapons the USA does not know about. War with Iran would not end well for the USA.

  179. metuselah January 16, 2012 at 7:09 pm #

    It wasn’t Vlad, that was me. And no, the internet is not where the facts are. The internet where you will find catalogs and references to books (sometimes the books themselves) where the facts are.

  180. Vlad Krandz January 16, 2012 at 7:15 pm #

    Thank you Kramps. You humble the so called Right by your honesty about Zionism. You show Hancock’s idea that Fascism is only of the Right for the lie that it is.
    The whole paradism of Left/Right does not illuminate anymore as I’ve tried to tell him. Mexican Immigrants are far left when it comes to social spending and far right when it comes to social values. Our political categories don’t make any sense when applied to them.

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  181. metuselah January 16, 2012 at 7:15 pm #

    Pretty simple, Bill. Zionists think they’re superior and can and WILL take out anyone who is not Jewish by blood. They do this all the time in Palestine, murdering all Muslims who dare cross into their borders. SAme with business. It, in short, is Nazism in reverse.
    ==
    That, pretty much describes the US. But your false projection is very interesting, Dostoevsky, and again gives you away. It only further confirms my original suspicion about you being CIA.

  182. Vlad Krandz January 16, 2012 at 7:16 pm #

    Hatred leads to confusion of mind and senses and to mistakes in daily life.

  183. Vlad Kramps January 16, 2012 at 7:17 pm #

    You’ve discovered my hidden identity at last. Congrats!

  184. metuselah January 16, 2012 at 7:23 pm #

    Wait til your Zionist boss finds out about what you been doing in your spare time. He might finally make you one of us by circumcising your Vatican dick.

  185. Vlad Krandz January 16, 2012 at 7:23 pm #

    A couple of decades ago no one would have made a big deal about it – nor could they have gotten away with it if they did. Jews, Leftists, and Non Whites are all united in their desire to persecute traditional Whites.

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  186. JonathanSS January 16, 2012 at 7:30 pm #

    Their definition of “Big Gov’t”, of course, is any programs that don’t specifically benefit them.

  187. k-dog January 16, 2012 at 7:31 pm #

    You said:
    The Jews believe in the absentee God. You know, he created us & then took off because he had other things to take care of in some other time and space. He may or may not come back.
    The best perspective I have on this is from a book I read a long long time ago which attempted to answer the eternal question:
    Why are we born to suffer and die?
    The book is ‘Venus on the Half-Shell’ by Kilgore Trout. Kilgore Trout turns out to be a pen name of a Mr. Philip José Farmer and not Kurt Vonnegut who I thought.
    Anyway in the book god created the universe one day as something to do but then lost interest and left. Something akin to defecation I’m assuming. At the end of the book the answer to the central question of ‘Why are we born to suffer and die‘ turns out to be:
    Why Not.

  188. Vlad Krandz January 16, 2012 at 7:37 pm #

    How about plagiarism then? That’s a sin of soul not the flesh. He was a clever character despite his lack of academic acumen. People never noticed the violence that always followed The Great Man of Peace.
    I have no doubt that he would be 100% behind the whole equal outcomes debacle – which means eternal affirmative action and hand outs. Blacks aren’t equal and therefore we must be punished for that. And then extend those benefits and “rights” to Browns, and then Browns, Blacks, and Yellows from other places – you have a program that will in effect enslave Whites in time. Luckily it’s not going to last..

  189. flying picket January 16, 2012 at 7:44 pm #

    James, Ive just read a hilariously wry, dark comment by a certain Rober Green Ingersoll, very reminsiscent of your pithy disquisitons upon the brutal, ‘unfeeling’ nature of reality:
    “In nature there are neither rewards nor punishments; there are consequences.”

  190. Vlad Krandz January 16, 2012 at 7:53 pm #

    When will you Leftists learn that people want nations of their own? As an article I once read said about the Shining Path: They could have set the Andes on fire except that they couldn’t hide their contempt for the Religion, Culture, and Folkways of the Indians they were supposedly interested in helping. You’re just broken records always repeating the exact same mistakes over and over again.

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  191. k-dog January 16, 2012 at 7:54 pm #

    What? There is talk of knob polishing here? Dogs have good noses. I smell an argumentum ad hominem about. Time to help.
    Public Domain Speeches by Martin Luther King.
    Hero of the People.

  192. asoka. January 16, 2012 at 7:59 pm #

    Luckily it’s not going to last..
    ==================
    Correct, luckily miscegenation is taking care of it.

  193. Desertrat January 16, 2012 at 8:13 pm #

    asoka, I’m not going after Oprah. What I’m saying is that an apparent majority of voters attach more importance to TV programming than they do to learning about monetary and political problems.
    And for all that I happen to like a fair bit of TV to which Mr. Kunstler shows scorn, I had still figured out enough of this world in which I live such that I started the same sorts of gripes as his, some twenty and more years ago. Heck, some inevitabilities became apparent early in the early years of LBJ’s Great Society. Demographics and arithmetic can be quite illustrative.

  194. metuselah January 16, 2012 at 8:17 pm #

    There’s a beautiful Italian film directed by Vittorio De Sica and staring Sophia Loren and Marcello Mastroianni titled “Sunflower” (Italian: I Girasoli), about an Italian draft dodger who wasn’t as successful as your grandfather.
    Sunflower (I Girasoli) Title Theme – YouTube
    http://goo.gl/bLUhs
    I think it’s based on true story. If you haven’t seen it, definitely worth watching.

  195. progress2conserve January 16, 2012 at 9:25 pm #

    Nice week’s work, JHK. Thanks as always. I’ve said before how much we should admire your ability to take any week’s events – spoon in a little pop doomster logic; blend, shake, and bake – to create a unique and interesting weekly casserole for your readership.
    And you’ve been on mostly pure ECONOMIC-caused disaster for several months now – with little attention paid to ENVIRONMENTAL-caused collapse.
    Hey, I don’t blame you. You’re the published author; not the rest of us. And you’ve got to produce something exciting every week, that people will want to read. So, sometimes you make the most horrible predictions sound like an exciting roller coaster ride – for an unaware resident of the US.
    “The result of all this ….. is sure to be a gigantic step down in worldwide energy consumption, trade, and advanced economic activity. It would make the Great Depression look like a sit-com.” -jhk-
    Like a sit-com, indeed! There’s a lot of tragedy and death between where we in the US find ourselves, now – before we descend to a “Great Depression” styled standard of living. Plus there is a HUGE population reduction baked in – to this week’s casserole.
    The 1930 population was 122775046, by census.
    We are well on our way to TRIPLING that number – except now the US is now bereft of all the easy oil, and all the easily mined minerals, and lots of good topsoil too, lost in the dust bowl and gone forever.
    I’m beginning to think that we had better HOPE that economic collapse brings today’s US population growth to a halt. Because, otherwise the US is killing itself with excessive LEGAL immigration, and killing the planet, too.
    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/

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  196. Buck Stud January 16, 2012 at 9:27 pm #

    Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been threatening to nuke Israel since at least 2006 – nearly six years ago. So the obvious questions is why? And even more perplexing, why issue a threat when the capability to deliver on a threat still hasn’t been achieved six years later? Convenient labels such as “Madman” and “Nutjob” do not fully explain the incongruity between issued threat and inability to deliver.
    If the lines of this war drum narrative read as an incoherent madman waving a gun without bullets on the world stage, then what diabolical narrative fills the interstices, those feigned negative spaces that actually form the mainline story?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WninWFtO0Gg

  197. progress2conserve January 16, 2012 at 9:30 pm #

    “Ahem…. Naval. From the guy stumped on secede.”
    -noel bodie-
    That’s the beginning of an interesting word analogy, noel b.
    Naval:secede::navel:Succeed ???
    Do they still put analogies on standardized tests?

  198. progress2conserve January 16, 2012 at 9:36 pm #

    “….Ahmadinejad has been threatening to nuke Israel since at least 2006 – nearly six years ago. So the obvious questions is why?”
    -buck-
    A very good question, indeed. It looks like posturing for internal politics, first. And then – posturing for a certain large subset of the World, that enjoys watching somebody/ANYbody, talk tough to the US and Israel.
    Don’t these “posturing” guys ever watch the news?
    a. Hussein, Saddam
    b. Kadafi, Momar
    c. Hitler, Adolf

  199. asoka. January 16, 2012 at 9:47 pm #

    ProCon, Iran has not threatened “to wipe Israel off the map” … that is a mistranslation of the Persian.
    Ahmadinejad’s phrase was “???? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ???” according to the text published on the President’s Office’s website. The translation presented by the official Islamic Republic News Agency has been challenged by Arash Norouzi, who says the statement “wiped off the map” was never made and that Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the “regime occupying Jerusalem”.
    Norouzi translated the original Persian to English, with the result, “the Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time.”
    Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, agrees that Ahmadinejad’s statement should be translated as, “the Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).
    According to Cole, “Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to ‘wipe Israel off the map’ because no such idiom exists in Persian.” Instead, “he did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse.”
    The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translated the phrase similarly, as “this regime” must be “eliminated from the pages of history.”
    Iranian government sources denied that Ahmadinejad issued any sort of threat. On 20 February 2006, Iran’s foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference: “How is it possible to remove a country from the map? He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize legally this regime.”
    Shiraz Dossa, a professor of Political Science at St. Francis Xavier University in Nova Scotia, Canada, also believes the text is a mistranslation.
    Ahmadinejad was quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini in the specific speech under discussion: what he said was that “the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time.”
    No state action is envisaged in this lament; it denotes a spiritual wish, whereas the erroneous translation – “wipe Israel off the map” – suggests a military threat.
    There is a huge chasm between the correct and the incorrect translations. The notion that Iran can “wipe out” U.S.-backed, nuclear-armed Israel is ludicrous.

  200. asoka. January 16, 2012 at 10:27 pm #

    Little known information about drones:
    MYTH: Drones are unmanned aircraft that 22 year olds can operate from an Air Force bunker under the Rocky Mountains. (from Bustin J | January 16, 2012 4:41 PM)
    FACT: It takes nearly 170 people to keep a single Predator in the air for 24 hours.

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  201. James Hansen January 16, 2012 at 10:31 pm #

    Excellent post Asoka, yours is only the 2d time I have ever seen the “Wipe Out Israel” claim clarified. Knowledge of the arcane separates the men from the boys in the study of politics.

  202. progress2conserve January 16, 2012 at 10:39 pm #

    Seems to me that the Iranians could clear up this little misunderstanding, with a simple press release, this morning.
    Hmmm. Wonder if they don’t WANT to clarify this?

  203. asoka. January 16, 2012 at 10:45 pm #

    Several years ago, when the rumor mills were saying Israel or the USA was going to attack Iran, I said on CFN it would not happen. (I was right, even though the conspiracy folks were saying they had inside information.) Now I must once again explain why there will be no attack on Iran.
    The USA Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, is on his way to Israel. There he will warn Israel not to act unilaterally.
    The USA will not act unilaterally against Iran either. Obama will not risk war with Iran (with an uncertain outcome) in an election year. Obama will also not OK an Israeli strike. That is why General Dempsey is going to meet with his counterparts in Israel this week: to tell them to back off.

  204. mika. January 16, 2012 at 10:56 pm #

    Yes, I agree. In fact, from now on I too will be using this argument.
    So When I say that the pagan occupation roman regime must be eliminated from the pages of history, I really don’t mean to say that the Pope and all them Vatican/Jesuit pederasts should be eliminated and that the Vatican be wiped off the political map. What I really mean to I say that pagan occupation roman regime must be eliminated from the pages of history. The silly notions that some people get parsing meaning out of words!

  205. asoka. January 16, 2012 at 10:58 pm #

    Hmmm. Wonder if they don’t WANT to clarify this?
    =====================
    Hmmmm. Could it be because they have already cleared it up? On 20 February 2006, Iran’s foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference:
    “How is it possible to remove a country from the map? He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize legally this regime.” Iranian government sources denied that Ahmadinejad issued any sort of threat.

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  206. James Hansen January 16, 2012 at 11:05 pm #

    They might of tried, but who would publish or broadcast the clarification? To make Iran look anything but warlike is not the aim of the MSM.

  207. asoka. January 16, 2012 at 11:10 pm #

    In fact, from now on I too will be using this argument.
    ===========
    It is not an argument. It is just a correct translation. The verb used by Ahmadinejad was intransitive, not transitive.
    You are misinterpreting a simple verb that was badly translated.
    By the way, it does make a difference whether you say: “I am going to wipe out the Vatican” or you say “The Vatican will eventually disappear.”
    The latter statement is true. You can count on it.

  208. Bustin J January 16, 2012 at 11:18 pm #

    Wage said “And Deni, who I’ve never seen before. Thank you also, for pointing out that the casual acceptance of mass murder, whether by war or sanctions, shows that the US has achieved the spiritual death that MLK warned us about.”
    Look, lets face reality, which is that we are fleas (citizens) on mangy dogs (countries) and this situation something we have to deal with in the junkyard.
    I believe that by the time MLK said that most of the spiritual death had already occurred. It metastasized across the landscape and invaded previously untouched areas via the interstate highway system. I’ll bet MLK used the word “Clusterfuck” alot when he wasn’t around a microphone….
    azoka said “Several years ago, when the rumor mills were saying Israel or the USA was going to attack Iran, I said on CFN it would not happen.”
    I’m of the mind to start trading prediction futures on intrade… problem is you can’t use a US-bank issued credit or debit card to fund an account. Seems the US government views prediction markets to be a sort of gambling activity- and the quasi-illegal status hangs over the site like a sword of Damocles. Apparently the banks are conspiring to stop the trading of prediction futures, much like they thwarted donations to Wikileaks. What will they think of next?
    Still, one can play if one sends a check by mail or wire transfer. Just think, asoka, the US not attacking Iran by So-and-so date putting money in your account! Nice huh?
    I wonder if Hillary is playing. Or the Mossad or CIA. The boyz in the air force bunkers could do a quick buy position before pressing the button on Tehran. This prediction market is rife for exploitation. I have no idea what country it is run out of but Amazon forwards their email, a favor they wouldn’t do for Wikileaks.

  209. Vlad Krandz January 16, 2012 at 11:23 pm #

    Genocide in other words…

  210. asoka. January 16, 2012 at 11:26 pm #

    So-and-so date putting money in your account! Nice huh?
    ===============
    I don’t want more money. I want to stay below the taxable level so as not to fund the USA military empire, as MD and metuselah suggest: withdraw support, starve the beast.

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  211. asoka. January 16, 2012 at 11:28 pm #

    Genocide involves physical death.
    Miscegenation involves physical love.
    Do you own a dictionary, Vlad?

  212. Kurt Cagle January 16, 2012 at 11:33 pm #

    Interesting commentary. A few things to put into perspective: Iran, Iraq and Syria were the results of the partition of the southern part of the Ottoman Empire after the First World War, but unlike both Iraq and Syria, Iran (Persia) has had a continuous civilization going back to at least 3200 BC, and was itself an empire through much of the 18th and 19th century.
    The Iranians established a parliamentary republic in 1906, but when the Shah at the time looked like they would support Germany in World War II, Britain and the USSR invaded Iran in 1941. In 1953, the US under Eisenhower worked with the UK under Churchill to overthrow the democratically elected government of Iran and to confirm Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi as autocratic ruler.
    The Shah then received military support and aid amounting to hundreds of millions of dollars each year (billions in current dollars), which he used to repress the Iranians. In 1979, the revolution overthrew the Shah, who was whisked out of the country by the US, to die later that year of cancer.
    It can be argued whether rule by the Ayatollah clergy since then has been much better, but the Iranians have solid reason to distrust the US. The US has no interest in the Iranian people or in democracy there. It is interested in Iran because, 1) Iran has oil and infrastructure, 2) Iran has strategic control of the Gulf of Oman and the Strait of Hormuz, and 3) They have no interest in satisfying US demands in the region.
    War with Iran has been on the horizon for several years, but never seems to happen. I doubt it will under Obama’s watch as well.

  213. Vlad Krandz January 16, 2012 at 11:43 pm #

    How do you know they haven’t? He has explained himself numerous times at the UN.
    They may want a nuke but that is no direct threat to Israel which has 300 or so – in violation of International Law. But it’s one rule for the Jews and another for everyone else. Why do they want one? As a deterrent of course. As a local doomsday device: you invade us, bomb us, etc and you may get it. Obviously they aren’t going to first strike and be annihalated. Basically the same stragtegy as North Korea probably. Pakistan is a whole other situation and far more dangerous.
    They may even be interested in nuclear power as they claim as well.
    Btw, they don’t seem close to either.

  214. Vlad Krandz January 16, 2012 at 11:45 pm #

    Is rape love? Rape of the body by Black Males and rape of the mind by Liberal Globalist Hacks.

  215. asoka. January 17, 2012 at 12:00 am #

    Vlad, you know surprisingly little about racial mixing. The black-white marriages increased from 65,000 in 1970 to 558,000 in 2010, according to Census Bureau figures.
    Here’s a clue, Vlad. Marriage is different from rape. Do you own a dictionary, Vlad?
    Oh, by the way Vlad, in the United States, rates of interracial cohabitation are significantly higher than those of marriage.
    You are on the losing end of history Vlad, and falsely crying “Rape!” is not going to change the miscegenation trends. You cannot stop global Eros.

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  216. BeantownBill January 17, 2012 at 12:15 am #

    Regardless, Asoka, the intent of his statement is clear: End the nation of Israel. Israel is a nation, and its government represents the people of that nation, so to my mind, saying he wished that the government in Jerusalem be erased from the page of time is almost the same thing as saying he wishes the state of Israel be erased from the pages of history. If he intended the more innocent statement, he could have easily said that he wished the regime in Jerusalem be replaced with a more reasonable government. Given that he doesn’t officially recognize the state of Israel, I think claiming his remarks were innocent is disingenuous, IMO. His actual remark may not have been menacing, but it certainly was threatening.

  217. Bustin J January 17, 2012 at 12:22 am #

    Met says “People can be programmed whichever way. Why not target the program the programmers the operating system that allows it all to happen?”
    As an apostate of programming, you’ll be labeled a propagandist and shunned. Never happen.
    Only the programmers can stop the program, and they release updates to the source code in a billion ways every day.
    A person who questions his program doesn’t necessarily have control over the effects of code execution across the globe. Hence only the programmer can stop the programmer.
    We are basically fated to see this thing happen in the Strait of Hormuz if the program is executed. No say. And No se.
    No one is not under the power of the programmer. At some point he slipped into the status of worlds “most powerful individual“.

  218. asoka. January 17, 2012 at 12:24 am #

    I guess I see it as when the Bush regime was in power for eight years. I actually thought Bush was illegitimately in power having been installed by the Supreme Court.
    There were times when I thought “this is going to come to an end some day” (thinking of the regime of Bush, not the nation). If Iran, six years ago, had the intention of “wiping out” Israel, don’t you think there would have been some attempt to do that in the last six years?
    The lack of action puts the burden of proof on those who continue to insist on an interpretation for which there is no historical evidence.

  219. BeantownBill January 17, 2012 at 12:27 am #

    I hadn’t realized the number of mixed marriages was so high – that’s a good thing. Hopefully we’re well on our way to being a golden-skinned nation (with no apologies to Vlad).
    In my Sister’s family (I only have one sibling), I have a good looking half-white, half-black great nephew of Russian-Kenyan ancestry, and another good-looking half-white, half-Chinese great nephew of Russian-Chinese ancestry, so at least my family is contributing to the end of Race as we know it. By the way, I met many of my nephew’s wife’s Kenyan family and friends at their wedding, and goodness, they all were so handsome and attractive. Black is beautiful!

  220. BeantownBill January 17, 2012 at 12:30 am #

    I think the statement was wishful thinking, an indication of his true feelings for Israel. But to an Israeli, the remark would be scary.

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  221. BeantownBill January 17, 2012 at 12:33 am #

    I also believe that if Iran could annihilate Israel with no chance of reprisal, then it would have no qualms in killing the 6 million Israeli Jews. Does that number feel familiar to you?

  222. asoka. January 17, 2012 at 12:40 am #

    Does that number feel familiar to you?
    ===============
    Yes, Ahmadinejad is an idiot for his holocaust denial. Though it may be something Ahmadinejad has in common with Vlad.

  223. anti soak January 17, 2012 at 12:56 am #

    Did these guys ever watch the news?
    a. JFK
    b. RFK
    c. MLK
    D. HENDRIX
    E. LENNON

  224. anti soak January 17, 2012 at 12:59 am #

    YET YOU WANT ANOTHER 200 MILLION HERE TO FEED THE GOVT TAXES AND GO INTO ITS MILITARY!

  225. asoka. January 17, 2012 at 1:28 am #

    Yes, I believe in freedom of movement on the planet. It is inevitable.
    Millions arrive and millions leave the USA … According to U.S. State Department data 4.1 million U.S. citizens have left the USA to live in other countries. That trend will be increasing as the quality of life in the USA declines.
    So, I don’t care how many millions are moving back and forth across the border … it makes me happy that people are exercising their freedom and living their dreams!
    You, Vlad and ProCon, fighting against the tides of history and against freedom … and you will not win. You cannot keep people from leaving the USA and you cannot keep people from coming to the USA. You cannot go against freedom of movement. People will find ways and laws cannot stop them.

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  226. WestCoast January 17, 2012 at 1:39 am #

    “Well, another week goes by and Jim’s Apocolyptic Prediction goes down the crapper. First it’s Summer of 2011 with Street Rage, then, We’re blowing up before Thanksgiving…then it gets postponed to Christmas….the next Monday doubts we make it to New Year’s . . . Next Stop…Groundhog Day ..Valentine’s Day – Mother’s Day, Father’s Day…Then the Summer of 2012 Rage…and W T F…we’re going down before the election….It’s getting tiresome after reading this blog for 5 years.”
    You are just jealous because you don’t have a great supply of stuff left over from Y2K like most of the readers here!

  227. 8man January 17, 2012 at 2:40 am #

    All the permutations of concepts, the square root of the word “concepts”, how many numbers is the word “concepts” made up of, assign the number as a million and decode what each number means and so on, a never ending stream of new concepts, performing mathematical operations upon words, any random mix and match of words could be a new concept, theory, anything at all, and you can assign it to any goal achieved, to any win, to any success you make believe you have had, and the connection of that success based on that random agglomeration of words, numbers and signals can be connected to any feelings, emotions, pain/pleasures, you make it up, you create it, you can’t contain the infinite number of ideas and blocks of texts and sequence of symbols no matter how large this digital memory is.
    So here’s the deal: logic, language and memory create “REAL”, create reality, not the input from sense organs or the sensations or the pain/pleasures because without these signals becoming symbols and getting inserted into a memory, a rationality, a logical mathematical affair, they would simply not even exist, they would be invisible, impossible and not real. What we have is the exact opposite of what we think is operating, reality is just abstraction, real is just what is inserted in our memory and we become aware of a chunk of information and how it is associated to some other signals (pain/pleasure/feelings/sense organ inputs, etc.) only through its relationships of cause and effects, its delimitation in time and space, its edges and how we remember them, etc. We are simply action reaction, like animals too are simply action and reaction and may have some primitive logicalification of reality going on, but we actually create reality 100 % by our oh, so precise logic and concepts and delimitations. And notice how we refine our holds on things, from the random movements of the hand a baby has, to the great precision of grasp we obtain in time. Perfectly matched to reality, but really perfectly matched to a picture of reality in our mind.
    Reality would be a vague series of sensations, actions and reactions and instincts that are never recorded, never memorized in any way therefore never obtaining the condition of “existence”, since existence becomes only through logic and words.
    And logic creates awareness, especially of “other minds” hence reinforces reality even more by imagining the same reality being perceived by another chunk of matter (but there are chunks of matter that don’t perceive, hence we must think of the limits of the numbers of “other minds” as tending to infinity, every elementary particle must become another mind that is aware, or else, no other minds exist, as just one particle that isn’t another mind being aware contradicts the existence of any other mind).
    All we do is create memories, we don’t want something or some narrative, we want to do something or create a narrative only to create a memory so as to record it, so we have recorded it, and recording it makes it exist and become real.
    Will power is always a local target, but you can instantly change the local target and execute a new will power to obtain a new target, new that always 100 % contradicts the previous target no matter how similar they may seem, since any difference is simply the identity principle and identity needs difference so our will power is constantly being challenged and contradicted by the very existence of itself, so will power is an infinite recursion of “unresolved internal conflicts” from the outset, metaphysically, because the structure of the Universe decided that that was the way to go.
    Boredom is the only political game in town, conflicting positions just because. So if we had an earth completely covered with cement, steel and skyscrapers everyone would be bored and say, no lets all go back to nature, and would demolish it all and plant trees. If the earth became completely green and “Natural”, everyone would become bored and would want to cover it up completely with cement, steel and skyscrapers and so on. Every position is only a reaction to another, every action is a reaction to something else, just to be different, just because, because man is conflictual and by creating opposing targets we can create a goal, a struggle, a fight, and hence a meaning, we are fighting a “war” and trying to win.
    But for Matter and Mass Energy nothing is different, it doesn’t matter what configuration of atoms the earth is made up of, so then please, apply my will power, everyone do what I want (only to then do the opposite after, because after I will get bored and demand to tear it all down and go back to Nature) build thousands of trillions of 1966 Oldsmobile Ninety Eights, Lincoln Continentals and 1967 Chrysler Imperials, just because, for fun, just to be Iconoclastic…
    AN APE

  228. Pucker January 17, 2012 at 3:47 am #

    Pucker —
    When you become president, one thing that happens overnight is that you and everyone you love get a bunch of new nicknames.
    I was already pretty used to this. But “FLOTUS,” short for First Lady of the United States, is really something else.
    I’m writing because our FLOTUS, Michelle, turns 48 on Tuesday, and I know I’m not her only fan out there.
    Will you join me in wishing her a happy birthday?
    The decision to become part of this campaign was deeply personal for a lot of people, and Michelle and I are no exception. But we both knew, like anyone else who believes in what we’re trying to do here, that this was never going to be easy.
    This fall, Michelle and I will have been married 20 years. The next 10 months will be harder than any we’ve experienced together, and I couldn’t do it without her. I know she’d love to hear from you today:
    http://my.barackobama.com/For-Michelle
    Thanks for your support,
    Barack
    P.S. — This weekend, people are getting together to volunteer in their communities in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Day. Find out how you can join in at serve.gov.

  229. 8man January 17, 2012 at 4:14 am #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177908
    As in every encounter, transfer of information between two (or more) chunks of Matter (named people (for the chunks of matter ? to make the sounds of the words pretty ? ) ) is actually a game of imagined and subtle will powers playing chess, or seeing which is dominant or not, which is guessing right or wrong, which feels or seems right or wrong (
    are they synchronized, or imagined synchronized, do they resonate or imagine to resonate on imagined or real intersection points ( but how can you tell if all is only information, hence, logic, hence reality only because delimited ? and the word synchronized and resonate can be used in many different sentences, but isn’t it the other way around ? the word develops the sentence and defines the sentence ( and concept ? disjoint concepts are all equal even though they are different pictures as long as they have even one common word, or even one common letter ? ) ), the sentence and set of other words are a subset of a word, put it all upside down, make all kinds of logical mistakes, be colorful, invent anything, it doesn’t make any difference), but it is all imagined, all a misunderstanding, a game, an instantaneous game of action reactions, imagined, fake and real, and change is the name of the game, etc.
    But all of the above is false (and all I have ever written (all of nameta9’s post on ilovephilosophy ?) ), what I said is not what I meant, all of the above is exactly the opposite of what I wanted to say, I don’t know what I said, I don’t remember saying anything, I am 100 % wrong therefore right, and I don’t even understand what I am saying and so on, and so on…
    QUO VADIS, BABY
    SHLAAK A LAKK, SHLAAKALAAK A LAKK,SHPAAK A LAKK, SHLAAK A SHPAAK A LAAK, SHLAAK A ALK SHPAKA AHLAAK A LAKK, SHLAAKA LAAK A SHPAAAK A LAAK, SHLAAK A SHPAAK ALAAK SHLAAK A LAKKK SHPAAKK A LAKKK…

  230. 8man January 17, 2012 at 4:52 am #

    Always searching for the next cheap thrill, every sequence of action, event, every narrative, (planned event, planned sequence, intentionality of results hoped ?) action reaction, interaction, Information Relationship (between people ? choices, between more correctly monolithic slabs of chunks of matter arbitrarily delimited and assigned moving parts only to give them importance as in defining a given chunk a “person” ?).
    Repetitive patterns that imply the same emotional rollercoaster or simply the same comforting sequence of emotions/feelings (maybe none at all, but just a comforting logical sequence that hinges you to a stable reference system ?) only to see them disintegrate in a jiffy (but they were never there in the first place or stable, aside from the fact that you remembered them, but memory is the great liar, memory falsifies reality by making it seem and making believe that things really happened and really are and are “stable” ?). Kill memory, forget all and make up all new “fake things” as fake is more real than real. Memory is the great liar and the great prisoner of reality, Reality and Matter and Mass Energy want a memoryless Universe, no memory possible here, memory is against the laws of physics here…
    Misunderstand all of the above, misunderstanding and getting things wrong opens many more doors (to fail ?), all has been said ? never, it never ends…The more you read all that “drivel” and “trype” the farther you are getting away from what I think I wanted to say but forgot…Did I forget something ? I don’t remember if I forgot to forget to remember what I forgot, but I can’t pinpoint…all circuits shut off then.
    TOBOR THE 8

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  232. 8man January 17, 2012 at 5:48 am #

    So given that reality is achieved only through logic, language and memorization of events, configurations of bits as associated to narratives, sequence of events, past interactions and past Information Relationships and how various moving parts relate to each other (or are imagined they relate to each other, but could and almost always are 100 % wrong), Metaphysics is more than justified as it creates superstructures on top of logic and creates things that are more real than “real” (such as the limit of the word “concept” as the word “speed” tends towards the word “view”, etc, mathematical analysis applied to words and concepts but without the necessity to respect any rules and truth and logic, as in just make it all up, without the need to respect that pain in the a*s that is being coherent and “making any sense”, without needing the communication to be shared amongst other people to create a consensus as to what we are talking about, in fact it must be completely and totally incomprehensible as in no conensus is possible, not even the consensus I can have with myself on this, not even the consensus the ideas have within themselves), it is a Reality Amplifier, it creates entities and relating items that are ever more real, concrete, and ever more abstract, non logical and impossible structures built on top of the previous becomes realer and realer, more authentic by many orders of magnitude, it is way past sense organ inputs and pain/pleasure/feeling circuits and in the realm of the pure construction of hyper-reality (the exact opposite of what physics thinks, as they think metaphysics is fluff, but it is upside down, they got the thing wrong, Matter and Hard Matter and even extreme pain/pleasure and all with all of our laws of physics are barely a ghosts of reality, barely real, metaphysics creates a harder and harder and deeper and deeper reality)…
    Am I convinced now ? do I still have guilt complexes ? Of course I am not convinced, of course that all just made the guilt complexes even deeper and the “unresolved internal conflicts” even more harsh, ever more harsh, ever more regrets, eating oneselves up, how much fun constantly failing at achieving, but I win, I won, I can lie to myself knowing that it is a lie and feeling even worse about it, and so on in an infinite cycle of worse to worse to worse…

  233. old69 January 17, 2012 at 6:23 am #

    Everything is mostly virtual, a virtual life, for a long time, as long as language and thought and communications became dominant, then what you couldn’t do “for real” in “real life”, you did “for fake” within the fake life of language, thought and communications. So society is mostly based on the Information Economy meaning the fake economy, the virtual, the easy way out as in pretending to do something (or fantasize to do something when you know it can never really be done practically) when in reality you can’t do anything but think about it, talk about it and communicate it to others that are pretending to do something but only faking it and imagining it. Hence all the importance of cell phones, Internet communications, TV (as in the Automatic Life) and such and move bits and think about stuff all making it seem as if you are actually doing something in reality. The easy way out for people that are extremely restricted in what they can really do concretely and in reality, let them talk about it and think about it, that will be good enough (and the greens should be happy, no more moving real matter or building real things, no more assembly lines to manufacture, now just chat on the tweets and cell phones and talk and talk and think and think, etc. save nature by not touching it anymore (except some electronic gadgets)).
    So then JHK can mostly fantasize a World Made by Hand (it will never happen) and all can talk about it, imagine and do wonders with words and concepts and thoughts through the Internet but never doing anything real, it is ok, the easy way out, all can talk about all these new revolutions and changes that will happen, but all are extremely restricted in what they can really do, the real possible interactions they can have with real matter and society and economy. And the APE can talk about trillions of skyscrapers and 1966 Oldsmobile Ninety Eights and such, talk is cheap, talk is easy, imagine and think about all of those things that can never be done materially.
    But then what difference does it make ? If it were done materially would it change anything ? It is all simply information, and Information Relationships, simply interactions (some implying a huge amount of “work” like building skyscrapers and cars, others not, but then is that the goal ? something that has an associated property based on how much past work was needed to produce it, a denotation ? a metaphysical entity ?).

  234. old69 January 17, 2012 at 6:36 am #

    As in those mixed signals that you don’t know how to decode (maybe because they have no decoding or can be decoded anyway you want, it is all wrong or all right and no one and nothing knows ?), those incoherent set of bits that can mean both A and B and the opposite and something else and that you like but don’t like and don’t know what to or whether to like and you jump back and forth and in between (exactly “in between”, or even some place else, not 0, not 1 and not even 1/2 but something else, some vague else), the judgment of something is in between, but not even in between, but you don’t know even where to put the judgment, very mixed, no digital mode here, and thus you enter crisis mode that can never be solved because the “or else” is not digital, not clear, not easy to judge in any way, and you can’t even judge it in between. Hence just assign it arbitrarily, just do anything, who cares, it will always have been “bad judgment”. The decoding circuits break down, the interpretation is anything, but there is no interpretation, just any random reaction to an action, always thinking that maybe the judgment could have been better or different, but it is not even like this, you don’t know, but you don’t know that you don’t know, etc.

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  237. asoka. January 17, 2012 at 6:57 am #

    Yes, antisoak, I believe in freedom of movement on the planet. You cannot limit peoples’ freedom.
    Millions arrive and millions leave the USA … According to U.S. State Department data 4.1 million U.S. citizens have left the USA to live in other countries. That trend will be increasing as the quality of life in the USA declines.
    So, I don’t care how many millions are moving back and forth across the border … it makes me happy that people are exercising their freedom and living their dreams!
    You, Vlad and ProCon, fighting against the tides of history and against freedom … and you will not win. You cannot keep people from leaving the USA and you cannot keep people from coming to the USA. You cannot go against freedom of movement. People will find ways and laws cannot stop them.

  238. Alexandra January 17, 2012 at 7:20 am #

    Yoh… old69, 8man, iesaeff1686c, blgmlesfgl, tegmark et al – and the multitude of warped weird handles just keeps-a-coming – whither goest thou… with your multiple posting personality disorder ??
    I’m starting to wish that JHK would reinstate the spam filter to mega-high again, so as to lessen the amount of your mono-syllabic turrets-syndrome latherings… Shame too that one can’t set a filter to race/class/hate obliterate also, as it helps not when Vlad-the-pale-face-vatican-dweeb-obsessed-impaler encourages you…
    ‘Jibe-ho!’
    Its seems the moneymen this week are getting set for pricing in the MENA shenanigans, and ‘rumour’ has it Putin’s boyz think it will be a Turk levered kick-off, as you guys have leverage there, maybe the deal is they get the spoils of Northern Iraq, they are the only EU zone nation with a growth rate pulse and a muslim bent too… so religiously it would help…
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-16/oil-climbs-from-four-week-low-as-iran-warns-of-hormuz-supply-disruption.html
    It’s a high-stakes crap game for sure, to go figure if the USA can/can’t handle the SOH shut off, seems the hawks fave gal, Billary C thinks you can… now that’s gonna be a ‘change’ you’ll have to count on…
    ‘Tacking… Lee-Ho!’
    Hopefully smart white men of a more enlightened kind, might still come to the collective gaia rescue with tech of a nano kind…
    http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/justin_hall_tipping_freeing_energy_from_the_grid.html
    This is a change I would love to believe in…
    Be seeing you…

  239. old69 January 17, 2012 at 7:59 am #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177908
    A person or item is a mix of its appearance, its properties, its functionalities (a nurse ? or pilot ?), the area and context (buildings, rooms, environment, whatever) the person is in, ever changing contexts, meanings, groups (of people), situations (and each situation creating a completely different perceived person, or is that the experience of the perception of the person on behalf of another person ?) (and so many other quirk delimitations) its narrative (of itself and of it related to you or related to any other item, hmmm, an infinite number of stories, or imagined stories of an item, person, feeling, sensation, thought, concept or any chunk of Delimited Information) its narrative and history and story (be verbose, please) related to yourself, or to imagined yourselves, to imagined and real others or sets of others or sets of things, you get the idea. And this person or item can be constantly viewed and judged differently every picosecond (and can judge itself or you or any other item, in a sea of judgments mixing, contrasting, always being wrong, but being all correct since they are always all wrong (or was that the memory of the “person”(which is mainly a monolithic slab of Undistinguished Matter pretending to have Delimitations) or the memory of the story of the person as related to you, or the imagined story of the imagined relation to you (and the imagined story the person could have ? or maybe there is no story) and symbols and judgments and experiences and whatever, an infinite vague recursion)) as in there is no stability as in reality is an instantaneous change of configurations constantly even when you don’t want them to change.
    Every new block of text is a new atom of Matter as Reality is Information as Metaphysics before demonstrated, the construction of a new material by a never ending set of blocks of texts.
    TOBOR THE 8 MAN

  240. lbendet January 17, 2012 at 8:09 am #

    The Media is the message
    This morning I woke up to the news that the evangelical voters are now considering Romney as the inevitable winner and are planning to vote for him in SC.
    It seems the media picked the winner and the folks are falling in line. No more worries about Mormonism, or the lack of trust in Romney’s conservatism, its about winning the election and the talking heads have all said it’s Romney.
    What a fascinating experiment in corralling the will of the people.

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  241. 8man January 17, 2012 at 8:11 am #

    Hey slut, do you ph*k alot ? why do you ph*k alot ? why do you do that to me ? why do you pl*y alot with yourself ? you enjoy and I suffer, your pleasure is my pain, why are you killing me and beating me up like this ? help me mommy, get me out of my misery, please help me, don’t beat the living daylights out of me, an old sad, sad, impotent man, please, help me…all those hot horny sluts doing all those things, and I rage with anger and envy, I hope no one ever becomes like me…
    Jesus Christ, I can’t believe what weirdos are on this website, you all have all this deep philosophical theory I furnished y’all to read and study, please study it all very carefully, it will take all your time, please waste your time, I hope you all waste a lot of time so that you finally all have a task to do, and not get bored, Occupy your time by studying all of nameta9’s posts on ilovephilosohpy, please, pretty please…

  242. old69 January 17, 2012 at 8:29 am #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177908
    On parallel universes: not only do they exist, but the very reason they exist (they exist trillion times more deeply and really! deeper and realer! etc.) more than yourself and your pain/pleasure or whatever is exactly because they are metaphysical entities, that are composed of Super Reality, a Hyper Reality (be verbose, please), as they are only mathematical – logical and information relationship entities, a sequence of symbols. And those denote another set of entities ever more abstract, indirect and denoted that means ever more real (a set of symbols then mapped on a set of items like a beach, a mountain, a car spark plug, and then these new items become another set of symbols associated with another more wildly random set of items, in an infinite loop, and infinite recursion), without constraints (without the constraints of our puny ghost like existence based on the identity principle and non contradiction), not even the constraints of existence, not even the constraints of true and false, as these are valid within a very narrow and shallow decoding of our universe by a very primitive, simple and coarse mind, a very rudimentary mind, a simple one transistor mind, while more evolved minds, made up of trillion bit Microprocessors, and wild jet engines shoved in chunks of meat brains, and many other interesting combinations, like wild neutron star chunks with stellar plasma chunks inserted into Processing Matter, as the Matter delimited as an observer becomes the new Brain, as in Brainium, you get the idea…

  243. Pepper Spray January 17, 2012 at 8:48 am #

    WTF..? I leave for a while and when I come back weirdos have taken over the comment section…

  244. Madcat January 17, 2012 at 8:57 am #

    Re potential US v Iran conflict – just a bunch of tiny-brained cavemen who want to throw nuclear tipped spears…. and I’m not referring to the Iranians. Out.

  245. lbendet January 17, 2012 at 9:02 am #

    Age of the Technocrat rule
    The technocrats are coming….The technocrats are coming
    Celente:[ I am so sick of hearing how, “Oh, this Obama is a socialist. He’s a Marxist.” No he is not. The merger of state and corporate powers is called fascism.]
    Nobody expects the bait and switch game that democracy has become. You think you voted in a progressive and you got a technocrat instead. The talking heads last night were complaining that the progressive voters are grousing over Obama not being left wing enough for them.
    We all imagined that O was a democrat in the traditional sense and he’s really a moderate Republican probably a bit right of Nixon. They deem a centrist on whom we all just super-imposing our imaginary hopes on.
    Now let’s all become realists–let’s all say progressivism is dead and we should all be happy for globalism and anything but free markets, TBTF banks and more loss of jobs. And please get with the program while wealth extraction continues around the globe. At least O is willing to raise taxes on the wealthy… It’s all in the bag, my friends.
    Now let’s see where else on earth the Neoliberal agenda is being imposed: In Zero hedge they are talking about wealth extraction in New Zealand and voter apathy from a polity who has no idea what’s going on thanks to their corporate media. You know that wonderful fourth estate which isn’t doing it’s job—sound familiar?
    Celente is talking about the former GS banksters taking the reigns of control in Italy and Greece.
    [Where did what’s his name, Draghi come from? Oh he was head of the Goldman Sachs group there in Europe wasn’t he? Member of the Trilateral Commission and a senior member of the Bilderberg. I’m not making this up it is right here in Wikipedia. And how about that guy Papademos over there? Oh yeah, another trilateral member and also a roommate…a roommate of Draghi during college years.]
    Ironic that the birthplace of Democracy is now being run by an appointed technocrat, not voted in by the people. It’s for their own good, you know.

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  246. progress2conserve January 17, 2012 at 9:11 am #

    OH, OK – I see.
    Ahmadinejab doesn’t want to destroy Israel.
    He just wants “regime change.” Sure.
    He just wants the Israelis to vote in new leadership. That was all BushII ever wanted for Iraq, too. And look how well that went.
    You know, with the entire world as pissed off and armored up as it is – this is not a good time for veiled and ambiguous Persian threats.
    Threats should be straight up, linear, and served in a crystal clear glass – for all to understand.

  247. progress2conserve January 17, 2012 at 9:17 am #

    “What a fascinating experiment in corralling the will of the people.” -lbend-
    That’s another good one, lbend.
    I still think there is no way any of the current crop of Repubs has a prayer (irony intended) of beating Obama.
    So is this an experiment in deliberate mass psychological manipulation? Or is it just a mass media quest for public attention and ad dollars.
    “Only her hairdresser knows for sure.”
    “I’d walk a mile for a Camel.”
    “Hope and Change.”

  248. DeeJones January 17, 2012 at 9:19 am #

    Asoka, thanks for looking up and re-posting that clarification on the so-called Iranian “threat”.
    BTB will never see it otherwise tho, even tho in the past 20+ years its the only so-called “threat” that Israel can drum up.
    Never mind that both the US and Israel threaten Iran almost on a daily basis including the use of nuclear weapons against them.
    And as far as I know, Iran has never threatened a first strike against Israel. In fact, I believe that they have forsworn such.
    I bet that sometimes the Iranian leaders really do wish they had a nuke or two, just so they could tell the US & Israel to shut the fcuk up and treat them like equals.
    Oh well. I am glad to see that you don’t foresee a US attack on Iran this year.
    Oh, here is the REAL reason the Isrealis don’t want Iran to be able to defend itself:
    ‘Nuclear Iran could deter IDF from wars in Gaza, Lebanon’
    http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=253998
    😉

  249. metuselah January 17, 2012 at 9:46 am #

    Oh, here is the REAL reason the Isrealis don’t want Iran to be able to defend itself:
    ‘Nuclear Iran could deter IDF from wars in Gaza, Lebanon’
    ==
    I see. A nuclear Iran defends itself by deterring Israel from going after Iranian rockets that rain on Israelis from Gaza and Lebanon on almost a daily basis. Interesting.

  250. dale January 17, 2012 at 10:09 am #

    Hatred leads to confusion of mind and senses and to mistakes in daily life.
    ————————————-
    The reverse in true as well Vlad, that’s how you got to where you are.
    You desperately needed an alibi for why, with all your superior intellect and all, you didn’t become a powerful ubermensch of your childhood dreams.
    Only two options once you realized you were pretty insignificant; take responsibility for you failing and admit to delusions of grandeur, or find someone else to blame….guess which one you picked?

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  251. old69 January 17, 2012 at 10:14 am #

    We are ourselves excess capacity from the outset: we want more than can be achieved, we want always different, we want cheap thrills, a never ending flow of new bits (or at least we can dream about it, or think about, fantasize about it, or talk and write about it, everything but really applying and having and doing in practice because the bandwidth of reality is so much more narrower than our never ending thirst-hunger for it all but that is why communications, the virtual, and TV and all, Information in general is so fashionable today: it discharges the excess capacity our Man brains have been programmed to contain (in terms of desire, inventions, always new information bits, new comparisons, “News” in general, “economic crisis adventures” (invented or real ? who knows ) through cultural artifacts such as time awareness (the need to fill it up somehow), production, always something “new” (therefore “exciting” ? or we just make believe and brainwash ourselves that it is new and exciting ? self autoprogramming mental computer programs…) ) new bits to contain in our mind, manipulate and produce other new bits.
    We are too much for ourselves and reality, we are oversized information hogs, oversized novelty desiring machines. Excitement searching machines (even if just slightly or barely ? some football game ?), hence the hire and fire, restructure, always change mentality. A prisoner of inherent excess capacity in terms of information content and processing capacity. Maybe we need to kill our memory, erase it all so we just loop around a few bits over and over again forever and free our minds forever…

  252. dale January 17, 2012 at 10:16 am #

    Have you seen his book, Contemplative Science: Where Buddhism and Neuroscience Converge (Columbia Series in Science and Religion)
    —————————————-
    Just ordered it this weekend, ironically. Probably mostly things I’ve covered already, but what the heck.
    If you really get interested in the topic, consider “Irreducible Mind”, a real tome, but worth the read to those who find the topic engrossing.
    Once neuroscience gets over its materialist hangover, science and religion will have a chance to converge. If we don’t kill ourselves first.

  253. Widespreadpanic7 January 17, 2012 at 10:16 am #

    BeanTownBill;
    Pretty good posts yesterday. On the other hand, there’s is no need for you to defend your heritage and Israel’s existence to the anti Semites, cranks, Islamists, Commie-Marxists, anti Americans, west deconstructionists, and Nazis who frequent this site and seem to be attracted to the subject of Peak Oil. Its a waste of time.
    Both major political parties in the US support Israel, as does most of the majority population. Israel will be defended against any existential threats by a US Navy that is still ubiquitous and powerful.
    –WSP7

  254. old69 January 17, 2012 at 10:17 am #

    Boredom leads to the need of excitement, boredom is a cultural artifact we are programmed with.
    Boredom leads to the need of excitement, boredom is a cultural artifact we are programmed with.
    Boredom leads to the need of excitement, boredom is a cultural artifact we are programmed with.
    Boredom leads to the need of excitement, boredom is a cultural artifact we are programmed with.

  255. lsjogren January 17, 2012 at 10:33 am #

    For those who blame corporate greed for the financial mess, I would like to ask, did greed not exist before and then suddenly appear in 2006?
    Greed has always existed yet financial calamities such as the one that struck in 2008 have not always been the norm. So what triggered this disaster, that is the question.
    My contention is that those on the left have part of the explanation and those on the right have part.
    For one thing: The low interest rate policy of the Fed. Manipulation of the economy by our central is something generally favored by the establishment left and opposed by the right. Setting interest rates artificially low encouraged reckless lending practices.
    Lack of adequate regulation played a huge part too. On this the left is correct and the right is wrong. (Paulites claim that under a true free market system we would not have these financial disasters. Who knows. That is an academic point. The system we have now does require regulation.
    It is kind of like immigration policy. Libertarians claim that open-borders immigration policy is compatible with their utopian model of society. However, they acknowledge that open-borders policies are disastrous so long as you have social programs. It is an academic point whether a system of no social programs would create a utopia (I suspect it would be quite the reverse), but the point is that Libertarians cannot honestly advocate open-borders policies so long as there are social programs. Likewise, as long as we have our heavily centrally-controlled economy, Libertarians cannot honestly claim that an unregulated banking system could possibly be a desirable thing.
    Another factor was bailouts. Knowing they could take huge risks and have the government bail them out if things went sour was another factor that contributed to recklessness by the banks. On this one the far left and far right are correct, bailouts are wrong. The establishment, both liberal and conservative (remember, Nancy Pelosi blasted Tea Party Republicans who voted against the bank bailouts for being “irresponsible”)

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  256. lbendet January 17, 2012 at 10:44 am #

    I wasn’t saying anything about the general election. In fact, I’m not convinced that the Reps want to win the election. They would prob. want Obama to do their work for them, constantly pushing him further right, while constantly saying he’s a European socialist.
    I was saying that those who claim to care so much about their conservative values, their religious beliefs against Mormonism and think Romney is a phony –a liberal Republican posing as a right-winger are planning to vote for him in this set of primaries according to polls.

  257. bossier22 January 17, 2012 at 10:57 am #

    why is the quality of life in the US declining? Going with your logic the less white it becomes the better the quality of life should be. Only , the opposite is true. but I’m with you on the tide of history. As white populations decline so will the quality of life. Trying to equalilize outcomes is a game plan for failure.
    bustinj quotes how low we are in eductional ranking. i wonder where we stood in 1960. I read where we spend the second most per student so it is not a matter of money. It is a matter of who’s pocket it is going in and what they trying to accomplish.

  258. Rhino January 17, 2012 at 11:38 am #

    Take some courses in reading comprehension.

  259. Dirty CT January 17, 2012 at 11:39 am #

    Dear Jim,
    Good post! but, If the U.S. makes the fatal flaw of going nuclear, and turning Teheran into an ashtray, then the fallout from this folly will likely be massive unrest and protest internally and in the societies of our allies.
    It will probably galvanize currently balkanized Muslim moderates, regardless of whatever branch of Islam they belong to, and push them to the political extremities. Those already on the edge will be motivated to violence, which is likely to make the memory of Al-Qaeda seem like the ‘boy scouts’.
    At that point, the pressures on both Russia and China to step forward would factor in as an ENORMOUS percentage.
    Hey, can’t we all just ‘get along’?

  260. old69 January 17, 2012 at 11:40 am #

    Excuse me while I Vomit on the Internet. PLease scroll over the following block of text (actually all of my blocks) unless you have time to waste, but since you all have time to waste and are all useless slobs, please waste all your time reading my BS, drivel and trype. Pretty please, waste all of you time.
    So experiences and people and events are like a language, the same person in a situation for you may be perfect, but in a slightly different situation completely invisible or in another slightly different totally in love or whatever. The point is the events and environments and situations and people are all tags of a language, all words so to say, and can change and mix and match, and in your head can be connected in such a way to mean something and a moment after connected in another way to mean something different, and the other person or group can create a different sequence of imaginary symbols with the same input to mean something different still and the two sequences may be not synchronized, and be disjoint, hence misunderstandings, etc.
    The law of conservation of experience, it doesn’t matter if you do something with a lot of different items (like building things by hand) or just shuffle 2 or 3 bits all day long, the experiences are always equivalent, there is no richer or poorer life according to how many different items and manipulations there are, it is all the same, the experience is simply the organism living without further meannings we try to apply.
    Hey Kramp, why did you kill tzatza and cash and marlin ? why don’t you kill the APE, I am sick and tired of him telling me to shove a jet engine in my brain to enter another universe.

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  261. old69 January 17, 2012 at 11:44 am #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177908
    Generalized will power and opposition to will powers, it doesn’t matter what face is behind a will power, it only matters that it is an opposition to yours…the euro downgrading is simple, it is just one will power against another, one stronger power deciding against a weaker, simple, a one transistor circuit, nothing further to analyze…

  262. dale January 17, 2012 at 11:45 am #

    It wasn’t Vlad, that was me. And no, the internet is not where the facts are. The internet where you will find catalogs and references to books (sometimes the books themselves) where the facts are.
    ————————————
    Yes, well…perhaps you could enlighten us with the erudite sources which state that Hitler and Stalin were working together in some sort of Papist plot during WWII.
    There is an old saying: extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. So far you’ve presented nothing, except to tell us in the manner of the X-files; “the truth is out there”
    Most of us don’t have the time to spend chasing down every bat shit crazy notion that pops into the heads of some of the folks that choose to vent around here.
    I sure you’re from the same school as Vlad on this count however, dwelling in the fact free zone, willing to believe what ever ‘feels right’ to you, or in Vlad’s case, whatever excuses his miserable life performance.

  263. dale January 17, 2012 at 11:50 am #

    why is the quality of life in the US declining?
    —————————————
    1. overpopulation
    2. structural issues requiring change
    3. a political system incapable of change
    4. corruption

  264. dale January 17, 2012 at 12:01 pm #

    In any event, I like your objectivity and direct style, dale.
    ——————————–
    Fair enough on the sourcing issue, but I’m not buying the Iranians have some sort of ace-in-the hole, although I don’t doubt they would like us to think so.
    Periodically I run out of patience with some of the sloppy, weak minded, undisciplined thinking around here and manifest in my wrathful emanation. Actually, I supress it for the most part, or I would have burned twits like Vlad to a crisp long ago.
    Perhaps not the best side of my nature, but there it is, and I’m not going to make any excuses for it.

  265. dale January 17, 2012 at 12:04 pm #

    BTW, don’t you just have a feel for how Vlad is going to reincarnate? hehehe….

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  266. bossier22 January 17, 2012 at 12:09 pm #

    5. ethnic balkanization
    6. coporate globalism
    7. a traitorous elite

  267. Rhino January 17, 2012 at 12:24 pm #

    Rhino, it came from France in the form of Khomeini. – Asoka
    I learned something today. That it’s all to do with France, that Ayatollah Khomeini is a product of France and French culture and education and upbringing, that it’s French mentors that instilled his zeal, that Khomeini’s years of education and experience in Iran are irrelevant, that the Iranian theocracy is of French origin via Khomeini, that Islam as a historical and religious factor is irrelevant, that Iranians are bystanders and that Iranian history and culture are inconsequential in all this.
    OK good. What else can you tell me?

  268. Rhino January 17, 2012 at 12:28 pm #

    The Iranians want freedom and will change Iran to have freedom, if allowed to do so. – Asoka
    “…if allowed to do so…” LMFAO, what the hell are Iranians? Children needing permission? Let’s not be fucking ridiculous.

  269. Rhino January 17, 2012 at 12:38 pm #

    Iran has weapons the USA does not know about and cannot defend against. – Asoka
    Didn’t you and I agree about a week ago that you’re full of shit?
    No? Did I misunderstand? OK, my bad, I guess I misunderstood.
    But do tell us again how YOU would know about secret Iranian military capabilities.
    Asoka, the Iranian military insider, the confidant of the Ayatollahs and the Iranian general staff.
    Please hurry, we can’t wait. Or at least I can’t.

  270. anti soak January 17, 2012 at 12:39 pm #

    Gee Dale, The Dems opened the floodgates in 1965
    and ‘we’ have added 130 million people since then!
    And Clinton signed NAFTA that spelled the end of the middle class here.
    Overpopulation by design.
    See ‘CRIMES OF THE TIMES’ blogspot for more.

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  271. charliefoxtrot January 17, 2012 at 12:44 pm #

    8. more corruption

  272. anti soak January 17, 2012 at 12:44 pm #

    Were the Huffingtons or 1 of them deep in East Timor oil and the killings there?
    Arianas father in law?

  273. 8man January 17, 2012 at 12:44 pm #

    Narrow Bandwidth Life
    There is really not much you can do practically. You can go to the movies, go eat out, buy some crap, watch TV, take some trips to BRAZIL or JAPAN (but the enitre world is the same Standard International building styles (see street view google map), boxes, or some pseudo suburbs, some midrises, some highrises, end of story) and a few other things (play sports) but that is it. So then what ? Well that is where Information comes in: it expands the bandwidth of life which deals us a very low bandwidth life naturally, there is not much you are supposed to do in life, probably mostly sleep like other animals. But this Information, and further the language, thoughts, fights, and all of the “Drama” between people make it more lively, more interesting, etc.
    But we are at a crossroad today: even Information, video games, movies and internet crap is no longer enough (we get bored fast, eveything becomes old fast): we know that we must go forward but we are afraid. And what are we afraid of ? Of directly manipulating our mind, our brain structure, changing the very circuits that force us “to do something”, that “get us bored”, or that “get us unsatisfied” change all of our logic and memory structures (messing them up as much as possible, make it go wild, break it, make it so that you can’t go back to where you started, irreversible transitions or phase transitions or transformations). And this is where the Instant Singularity comes in: design new brains, design all kinds of wild combinations as wicked as possible, let little childen design schematics and block diagrams of new brains that will then have new experiences (and enter new universe with new laws of physics and where Matter undegoes new Experiences). Dump this stone age contraption natural evolution dealt us, and tell Nature to go take a hike.

  274. Rhino January 17, 2012 at 12:47 pm #

    But you still haven’t explained to us how it’s in the interest of immigrants (legal and the undocumented) and the already resident population of the USA for the American govt to have an open border policy wrt immigration at the same time as American captains of industry are exporting millions of good paying jobs via offshoring.
    Get back to us asap. We’re still waiting on this and have been for a couple of weeks.

  275. anti soak January 17, 2012 at 12:47 pm #

    INFLATION [PRINTING $]
    POLLUTION
    CRIME [and we know who does the violent crimes]
    HUGE GOVT
    MILITARY
    OPEN BORDERS

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  276. Rhino January 17, 2012 at 12:51 pm #

    …it is not a matter of money. – Boss
    Right on. IMO it’s a matter of having parents that give a damn. Maybe not quite as nuts as the Amy Chuas of the world but somewhere in between the Amy’s and where things are at now.

  277. metuselah January 17, 2012 at 12:52 pm #

    Just google it. Google: “Stalin and Jesuits” or “Hitler and Jesuits”. Why are you so lazy? There’s tons of material on this.
    But that’s only part of the story. You need to understand the thread of history to understand the deceptions and why they occur. Eric Phelps in his book Vatican Assassins, does a good job piecing together some of this material and their historical context. He provides hundreds of references, photos, etc. Another good source is Anthony Sutton. He produced volumes and volumes on this.
    The problem is that you’ve been emotionally conditioned to automatically reject everything that does not jibe with the official propaganda narrative. What you see and know is only a small portion of the truth. That small portion, though in some instances it might be accurate, is completely misleading and completely misrepresents reality. These guys that sell you the official narrative are professional at this kind of lying and propaganda. Still, you must be a really dumb fsck to believe any of it.

  278. Rhino January 17, 2012 at 12:57 pm #

    5. ethnic balkanization
    6. coporate globalism
    7. a traitorous elite – Boss
    Yer hittin’ homers.
    So’s anti-soak. And Dale has some good points. It’s hard to imagine a lot of what you and Dale and Anti have come up with without the traitorous elite to help it along. Mind you a docile populace that acquiesces in all of it doesn’t hurt either.

  279. 8man January 17, 2012 at 1:06 pm #

    But alas, we will never know what we want (or I will never know), first I want A, then not A, but then again maybe B, etc. And every new path, every new transition point, decision point brings forth new things to want and not want, always changing ideas, judgment, evaluations, always going back and forth and up and down and everywhere and anywhere, always new actions and reactions. We will never know what we want, indecision, confusion, change, but I wanted that ? no, maybe that, but I will change my mind ? no, I am now this and so on forever. So what gives ? I will always be confused and never know what I want and always know what I want and always change my mind and never change my mind….

  280. wagelaborer January 17, 2012 at 1:08 pm #

    Wow, Bustin, I’m really surprised at your callous attitude towards mass murder. This is not like your usual contrarian stance towards US culture. On this, you’re falling right into the genocidal mindset of the average American.
    I yield to no one in my dislike for fundamentalist religion. But to say that the victims of fundamentalists should be killed for their own good is a bizarre stretch.
    It sounds almost Christian for you to say destroy the country in order to save it. Sure, you don’t believe in killing them all and letting God sort them out. You just believe in killing them all.
    I am appalled by what happened to the people of Iran when they overthrew the US backed Shah and then were saddled with crazy fundamentalists.
    My son’s best friend for a while was Iranian. And an atheist. When he announced that he was going back to Iran, I strongly advised him against it, for the very reason that I was afraid for his safety.
    But bombing them? That’s just too horrible to contemplate.

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  281. wagelaborer January 17, 2012 at 1:15 pm #

    It’s always fascinating to watch the mighty wurlitzer play the minds of the American public.
    Turn a knob here and they’re screaming for Iranian heads. Turn that knob down and turn up the Pakistan knob and watch the crowd turn.
    Rommey the Mormon being elected by Republicans. That is amazing.
    But so was a black guy named Barack Hussein Obama.
    Especially just after Americans had been conditioned to hate the name Husssein.
    All they did was turn down that knob, and turn up the ain’t-America-great-we’re-so-non-racist knob.
    And here we are with a blackface on the Wall Street agenda in the White House.

  282. wagelaborer January 17, 2012 at 1:18 pm #

    Yes, they did try to clear it up, but if Iran issues a clarification, and the corporate media doesn’t report it, did it happen?
    No, not in American minds.

  283. wagelaborer January 17, 2012 at 1:28 pm #

    I agree with asoka on this one.
    Somehow the voices of reason have stopped the US aggression toward Iran, at least for now.
    We’ve been listening to the mighty Wurlitzer demonize Iran for weeks now, with dire predictions and blustery threats.
    Including the orwellian threat of the US using nuclear weapons (the usual “all options are on the table”) to stop the Iranians from someday getting such weapons. Bizarre.
    But, now the US is blaming Israel for all the threats, and releasing statements that the US, like a wagoneer bracing himself against the buckboard pulling on the reins of the runaway team, is doing its best to stop those crazy Israelis from bombing Iran.
    Oh, and they’re dropping plans to hold war games off the coast of Iran.
    So it looks like cooler heads have prevailed again. As they did in 2007.
    But as long as Iran has oil and an independent foreign policy, they will be at risk.
    As Marlin pointed out, the official US policy is that Middle East oil belongs to the USA, and we give ourselves the “right” to kill anyone to get it.

  284. Confusionism January 17, 2012 at 1:29 pm #

    You gotta hand it to the Iranians for their sense of humor. I just read that in response to the U.S. government asking for the return of the crashed drone the Iranian government will be sending the White House a $4 toy replica.

  285. wagelaborer January 17, 2012 at 1:32 pm #

    Thanks, k-dog, and congratulations on your evolving web skills.

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  286. asoka. January 17, 2012 at 1:33 pm #

    Didn’t you and I agree about a week ago that you’re full of shit?
    ================
    I don’t think we agreed. But, upon further reflection, you may be right.
    I apologize if it bothers you that a weapon might exist which you do not know about.

  287. asoka. January 17, 2012 at 1:35 pm #

    k-dog, thank you for teaching me about anchor tags. Cool!

  288. asoka. January 17, 2012 at 1:38 pm #

    I just read that in response to the U.S. government asking for the return of the crashed drone the Iranian government will be sending the White House a $4 toy replica.
    ——————–
    Made in the USA, I hope.

  289. dale January 17, 2012 at 1:45 pm #

    And Clinton signed NAFTA that spelled the end of the middle class here.
    Overpopulation by design.
    See ‘CRIMES OF THE TIMES’ blogspot for more.
    ———————
    agree on NAFTA, but over population is a worldwide phenomenon, with immigration here only a reflection of it.

  290. Vlad Krandz January 17, 2012 at 1:56 pm #

    Anti is right: the offical position and policies are insane yet that’s where you lay your head. You like the world and your position and you want Enlightenment as another notch in your belt and item on your resume. Thus any talk about the world not being as it seems hits you hard – even though that’s what Buddhism is all about.
    What if I am poor and unsuccesful? Do you despise all poor people? Or just those with fair skin? We both know the answer to that I think. And how do you know what I don’t take responsibility for?

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  291. Rhino January 17, 2012 at 1:59 pm #

    Why do YOU apologize Asoka? Are you to blame for this um secret weapon (that might exist)?
    Are you going to tell us what it is (or might be)? Just give us a hint. Please, oh pretty please, with sugar on top.

  292. asoka. January 17, 2012 at 2:03 pm #

    Sorry. No weapons for you.

  293. dale January 17, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

    Eric Phelps in his book Vatican Assassins, does a good job piecing together some of this material and their historical context.
    —————————————-
    Yes, Eric Phelps, talk show nutjob, who among other absurdities, believes the Jesuits have hatched a plot to cast “professional sports” on us all, and naturally they were responsible for killing JFK (a requirement apparently, of every crazy conspiracy theory in creation) Not sure if he also believes the Jesuits are reptilian alian overlords or not, but in the same general class of wackadoodledo.
    Thanks for at least having the courage (if that’s what it is) to post your “source”, that’s more than we can say for Vlad. But seriously, no one who can catch even a glimpse of reality from some corner of their mind, would bother to consider this nonsense of value.
    See below for a few laughs.
    http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Eric_Jon_Phelps

  294. dale January 17, 2012 at 2:06 pm #

    And how do you know what I don’t take responsibility for?
    —————————
    That you have drawn for us here in vivid colors.

  295. jackieblue2u January 17, 2012 at 2:09 pm #

    WTF are you talking about. US being the biggest threat.
    in what way ?
    You are Very Wrong. IMHO.
    If you think WE are a threat, go live in europe.
    get the fuck out.
    this post pisses me off. i am glad the poster was able to post it tho. free speech.
    whatev.

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  296. jackieblue2u January 17, 2012 at 2:11 pm #

    or better yet another planet !

  297. Rhino January 17, 2012 at 2:12 pm #

    Way to go Jackie. Put on the brass knucks.

  298. dale January 17, 2012 at 2:20 pm #

    But Please, let me step back now, and watch you and Vlad debate the “competing merits” of whether it is the Jews who have hatched a fiendish 500 year old plot to distroy Western Civilization, or the Jesuits.
    I’m all ears…..Pass the popcorn.

  299. Rhino January 17, 2012 at 2:21 pm #

    You still haven’t gotten back to us. Maybe you missed it. Here it is again:
    “But you still haven’t explained to us how it’s in the interest of immigrants (legal and the undocumented) and the already resident population of the USA for the American govt to have an open border policy wrt immigration at the same time as American captains of industry are exporting millions of good paying jobs via offshoring.” – Rhino
    You suppport a destructive immigration policy. Why?
    I’ll explain my puzzlement at your stance: getting a job, making mortgage payments and buying food. Not inconsequential matters don’t you think? Add to that a reasonable future for the little ones. Do you have little ones Asoka? Do you have kinfolk? Presumably you have one or the other or maybe both. So why do you want to screw them up?

  300. BeantownBill January 17, 2012 at 2:26 pm #

    Marlin, I’d like to believe what you say is true. It’s just that I see so many anti-Israel posts here, and so few pro ones that I wonder if that’s the way it is across the country.
    I’m an American, for better or worse. I don’t live my life being involved with all things Israel, but I am concerned about it’s survivability, just as I’m concerned about America’s. But I don’t stay up at night worrying.
    If life became unbearable here, say, kind of gulag-like, I could see me trying to get out. But other than that extreme, I was born in America and I’ll die in America. I won’t run away just because things aren’t going well here, like some other pussies who have already done so.
    Semper fi (I’ve never been a marine, but the phrase is a good one, literally).

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  301. metuselah January 17, 2012 at 2:28 pm #

    What Eric Phelps does in his Vatican Assassins is aggregate or gather dispersed materials and sources already in existence. He adds nothing original of his own. All he does is provide you the quotes and references to the books from which he draws the material.
    Your disparaging remarks smell of desperation and denial.

  302. BeantownBill January 17, 2012 at 2:36 pm #

    Good post. But I would carry your argument a step further. Just like technological advancement increases exponentially, then why not greed? Sure, greed has always been around, it’s an unfortunate human trait, but as more and more time passed without greed being punished, the greedy got much greedier, until the American superstructure became strained and disfunctional.
    How much power and money do people and institutions really need? Greed unpunished is greed rewarded.

  303. Vlad Krandz January 17, 2012 at 2:40 pm #

    So because NAFTA hurt other countries it’s bad but because illegal immigration hurts America it’s “just a reflection” and therefore fine.
    No wonder you get along with Asoka most of the time.

  304. BeantownBill January 17, 2012 at 2:41 pm #

    Hey, Dale, me too. Sometimes I just get tired of the same unthinking bullshit that appears here, and I vent.

  305. Vlad Krandz January 17, 2012 at 2:51 pm #

    Your kind of mindless war mongering is among the worst parts of America. And of course your Jews good/Whites bad unless they serve Israel is pure evil. It’s the philosophy of a dog not a man. Your kind of attitude is what lead to the attack upon the Liberty and subsequent cover up – and Johnson’s telling the Air Force to let the Israelis sink it. That is an abomination.

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  306. Vlad Krandz January 17, 2012 at 2:55 pm #

    Your Country is not the same as the goverment. Someone once said I love my Country right or wrong. Someone else corrected him: My Country right or wrong – if right to be kept right. If wrong, to be put right.

  307. Vlad Krandz January 17, 2012 at 3:00 pm #

    People are awakening Bill. We’re sick of the absolute power of the Israel Lobby in our foreign policy. It’s a good thing. Now just admit your allegiance to America is only as deep as its submission to Israel.
    I saw a great video of a two Jewish couples coming out of a night at their local ADL. They said America was the spouse but Israel the child. Which committment is deeper?

  308. Vlad Krandz January 17, 2012 at 3:05 pm #

    I accused him of this once and he denied it – but he assents to it at his leisure. And let’s face it, you would enjoy it as well. Glad your principles sometimes reign you in.

  309. JulettaofOhio January 17, 2012 at 3:14 pm #

    It’s affected, not effected. And no, I’m not the old guy who used to scan this blog, living only to correct other people. Affect/effect and lay/lie are particular pet peeves so I won’t be stalking you for random mistakes or typos.
    My son-in-law is currently battling Ohio to get unemployment benefits. He’s in construction and while this has been a mild winter, it’s finally over. Construction itself is probably dead which is too bad as he’s great at what he does and is a terrific worker. Ohio’s argument is primarily that the state is broke and it’s your fault anyway. They have set so many barriers up that he spends 4-6 hours a day trying to fill out forms to their specifications and complete it within impossible time limits. If all else fails, they disconnect and he loses his place in line which is grounds for warfare in my opinion. Anyway, my point (finally) is that unemployment is not necessarily automatic and you have to shed some blood to the state before you get anything.
    Vlad, Aunt Jemima is becoming slightly more white in appearance, so guess we’re celebrating the year of the Great Mulatto. Yippee….

  310. bossier22 January 17, 2012 at 3:26 pm #

    Prog, Antisoak, Rhino, is there a little ground swell of common sense and pragmatism breaking out on CFN today.

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  311. anti soak January 17, 2012 at 3:29 pm #

    Dale….
    heres yr post..it SPECIFICALLY refers to USA..
    aand as you may know immigration to ‘white’ countires encourages ‘overpopulation’ in non white countires…for many reasons..
    did you know Mexicans here have larger families than mexican mamams in mexico?
    here:
    dale replied to comment from bossier22
    why is the quality of life in the US declining?
    —————————————
    1. overpopulation
    2. structural issues requiring change
    3. a political system incapable of change
    4. corruption

  312. Vlad Krandz January 17, 2012 at 3:37 pm #

    When I saw you link to the CofCC, I thought I had pulled you over to the Dark Side at last. But then you say Happy MLK day! Such perversity. Ah well the, my work is not yet complete. Have you not at least glimpsed the glory of the dark side? And surely you observed how many Assholes exist on the Right Hand of God as Marc has observed?
    Here’s the secret: the Left Handed Path starts higher. You have to go thru the Right first in general. So most lose their way long before they get there – in self indulgence. Just as most Righties lose their way higher up and never get over themselves as being “good people”. Morality is a necessary and also a trap for the unwary.
    The darkness is just the weakness of our eyes to comprehend unendurable light. Read!
    http://takimag.com/article/im_so_bored_with_mlk#axzz1jU5a6rY2

  313. BeantownBill January 17, 2012 at 3:41 pm #

    It’s true, people are awakening me. Just this morning a telemarketer got me out of a deep sleep. I must be very lucky – I’m on the winning side of the power equation. Since Israel runs the US and I’m Jewish…..

  314. asoka. January 17, 2012 at 3:57 pm #

    You suppport a destructive immigration policy. Why?
    ——————
    Rhino, I have spelled it out in many posts. I’m not going to repeat all the reasons for you.
    Besides, what Asoka wants is irrelevant. Fact is we have an immigration policy, we have a border patrol, we have dozens of government agencies, including huge ones like Homeland Security. You want big government to go after immigrants, that’s what we have happening right now.
    Billions are being spent on protecting the borders, rounding up immigrants, etc. Obama has deported more immigrants in three years than Bush did in eight years.
    You can relax. No one is listening to me.

  315. Belisarius January 17, 2012 at 3:59 pm #

    Jim
    CDS were never meant to pay out. Banksta A says to Banker B “You cover my paper and I cover yours, both our balance sheets look better that way.” Since they each owe the other, there is zero net effect. When it comes to CDS that are casino bets, since the CDS writer defines default, default will never happen for CDS purposes.
    I suspect the saber rattling at Iran was/is more about correcting a falling oil price than immediate military action. I am not “in the big club” so i could be wrong, and it may be time for the cruise missle guys to get new orders.
    When it is time, likely some “missing” nukes could be exploded in various cities, and blamed on Iran. How can war be opposed with the country who just nuked the victim cities? Still i don’t see how they can keep Russia and China off the board.

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  316. Vlad Krandz January 17, 2012 at 4:02 pm #

    English speaking Wikipedia to shut down tomorrow in protest against proposed legislation to censor the internet – supposedly for our benefit of course. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/English_Wikipedia_anti-SOPA_blackout

  317. Vlad Krandz January 17, 2012 at 4:09 pm #

    Jews are humorous people and I often enjoy it – not when Sarah Silverman and Co mock Christ’s agony though. Or when what’s her name said she wanted to get some of her Black Brothers to rape Sarah Palin.
    It’s funny when Sarah Silverman joke about Jewish control of Hollywood and the Media. But it doesn’t cease to be true. “Funny” is not a logical proof but in fact a logical fallacy just as much as ad hominem, or arguing from what “everyone knows” or consensus like Dale always does.

  318. Vlad Krandz January 17, 2012 at 4:15 pm #

    Remember how hilarious you thought my idea of comic book heroes as golems was? And how you viciously mocked me (good buddhist!) as usual? And asked me for my sources etc?
    That time a source just fell into my hand and I posted it for you. And predictably, you just ignored it like you always do when proven wrong.
    Comic Books have been dominated by Jews and the super heroes they create reflect this and the directions they want America to go. They are imaginary golems like the giant created by Rabbi Loew to protect the Jews of Prague. But imagination is very real – and their creations effected generations of young Americans.
    Get some integrity, clown.

  319. charliefoxtrot January 17, 2012 at 4:24 pm #

    bill, i don t have a dog in this fight, but let me point out that the appearance alone of impropriety may have something to do with anti-israeli sentiment…for example, it is hard to remember the mortar shells, which are impersonal to a degree, when the prevailing image is of teenagers throwing rocks and molotov cocktails at tanks; or helicopter gunships strafing hospitals etc…keep in mind that the arab world sees occupation and invasion where you see defense and retaliation…personally, i think you are both wrong; at some point it must be accepted that thousands of years of persecution and strife are enough already, and a new timeline must begin…again bill, dog, fight; two thousand wrongs don t make one right…as to the charges of ‘lobbying and control’, i believe that goes on; but we can all see that from ANY interest group, and if honest with ourselves, singling out israel from all the corporations etc is disingenuous at best and only serves to cloud the issue of influence peddling as a whole…let me ask you this- do you believe the palestinian people (not hamas or other militants) could be given assurance of their homes, with most of the ‘settlements’ turned over and no further incursions, would accept peaceful terms and conditions? how about the average israeli, do they want war to the exclusion of compromise…?

  320. bossier22 January 17, 2012 at 4:30 pm #

    I know how you feel. No one listens to me either, unless I come up with a corker of a bad idea. I have been in trouble a couple of times when my friends have gone along with a one of those. Fortunately it was nothing serious.

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  321. metuselah January 17, 2012 at 4:33 pm #

    Vlad, why don’t you move to the Vatican? There be no Jews in the Vatican, though one or two token blacks. You can’t get along with woman. You worship authority and nazis/fascists. It would be perfect for you.

  322. metuselah January 17, 2012 at 4:45 pm #

    keep in mind that the arab world sees occupation and invasion where you see defense and retaliation
    ==
    That’s actually false. The arab population at large, despite the propaganda on their state media, knows the score, and they know that the Jewish land that they stole with British help belongs to us.

  323. messianicdruid January 17, 2012 at 4:59 pm #

    “Knowledge of the arcane separates the men from the boys in the study of politics.”
    This week’s understatement.
    arcane
    hidden, secret, cabalistic, esoteric, impenetrable, mysterious, mystic, occult, recondite, unaccountable, unknowable

  324. BeantownBill January 17, 2012 at 5:03 pm #

    CFT, I agree that this 4000 year enmity should be ended. In modern times a lot of the blame should go to 3rd parties like Britain, which carved up the area with no regard to traditional tribal boundaries.
    I think the Israelis just want to be left alone. As long as they feel threatened by countries and organizations that not only won’t recognize its existence, but also call for its destruction as a basis of their charter (PLO, for example), they will not be willing to cede any more of the land they won in 1967.
    My own opinion is that in order to grant the Palestinian people their own land and country, Israel’s neighbors must be willing to grant Israel its right to exist as a nation. It doesn’t matter who was there first, Israeli Jews are not going to leave the region, that’s a fait accompli. So everyone can diplomatically recognize everyone else, and then the Palestinians can get what they want. If arab shelling and bombings cease, there would be no need for Israeli incursions.
    However, one thing is non-negotiable:
    Israel will never split up Jerusalem.

  325. BeantownBill January 17, 2012 at 5:06 pm #

    Hey, that’s a great idea!

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  326. turkle January 17, 2012 at 5:09 pm #

    Damn, you all got the drop on me this week. I can’t read all these dang comments! Can someone please post a summary at the end of the week on what you all decide and/or agree upon?

  327. asoka. January 17, 2012 at 5:22 pm #

    Vlad, why don’t you move to the Vatican?
    ==============
    I don’t think they would let him into the Vatican, (which is actually Vatican City, with an area of 110 acres and has a population of 800) but he could move to Rome.
    Italy is a great country. The Italians are beautiful people.
    Vlad could be happy there, especially if he doesn’t mind a bit of olive-skinned Mediterranean skin coloring.

  328. h7m1s7g1 January 17, 2012 at 5:22 pm #

    ??????????????????? ????,??????????????????????????”“???”“???”?????????????????????????2011? ??????????????????????? 3?11???? RS485???????????????????/??/????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????? 21:28:11?? ?????? 21:28:22???? ?? 21:28:28 ?????? 21:29:12????? ?? 21:29:22????????????????? ?????? 20:57:23? ???????????????????

  329. asoka. January 17, 2012 at 5:24 pm #

    I’m going with “unaccountable” … there’s no accounting for what pops into my head. If God created the neurotransmitters, God is to blame.

  330. ctemple January 17, 2012 at 5:25 pm #

    I think it’s good idea that something irritates one of these psychos once in awhile enough that they stop hiding behind this compassion horseshit and you can see these creeps for what they really are, haters. The liberal wacko left despises ordinary people, they’e fat, they have tattoos, they joined the military, they believe in Jeeezus, the left is a bunch of little snots looking down their noses at just about everybody.
    Butt plugging little bitches.
    And they don’t care about blacks either, that’s just a lot of crap, otherwise they would have never allowed every Goddamn Mexican to come here and bust unions and take jobs away from the working classes.

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  331. asoka. January 17, 2012 at 5:35 pm #

    LOL! One of your funniest posts!
    Mexicans? Sounds like you are a hater, probably a Red diaper doper baby.

  332. asoka. January 17, 2012 at 5:41 pm #

    they know that the Jewish land that they stole with British help belongs to us.
    —————-
    Should all of that land be given back to Israel?
    What countries should be given over to Israeli control?
    How much “Lebensraum” does Israel need?

  333. charliefoxtrot January 17, 2012 at 5:45 pm #

    well curl my toes and call me a rafter-monkey, that makes sense…! so what s the hold up? (rhetorical question…) i hadn t considered the third party aspect; that illuminates a bit, too- admittedly, i m not all that well informed on local politics, as it has been about 25 years since world history; i ve mostly just gleaned what i could from M$M & public tv- and even frontline has to be taken with a pillar of salt, ha ha i was under the impression that jerusalem has always been jewish (if that s the correct term)- is somebody else claiming it?

  334. Vlad Krandz January 17, 2012 at 5:54 pm #

    Humor is a weapon that the Enemy uses to great effect. As Betrand Russell said, many funny men think that their wit makes them wise, but it is not so. High IQ is probably a prerequiste for a good sense of humor, but as we know, many smarties are complete fools.

  335. Vlad Krandz January 17, 2012 at 5:59 pm #

    The Brits gave you Palestine – after putting down the Arab revolt. And then you used terrorism on your benefactors. And now you pretend that they never helped you only hurt you. History is just cognitive terrorism for you people.

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  336. Vlad Krandz January 17, 2012 at 6:00 pm #

    If only you were this smart…butt pluging little bitches indeed.

  337. Vlad Krandz January 17, 2012 at 6:04 pm #

    Trying to remember last time you disagreed with Mika. Why, I don’t think you ever have – even when he’s calling us all blue eyed reptiles and threatening genocide. Not that you believe that but yet you don’t disagree. Strange. It couldn’t be that you don’t because you’re both Jewish? I mean that would be awfully primitive and protective and mean that you’re not the gentleman Prog thinks you are.

  338. dale January 17, 2012 at 6:05 pm #

    heres yr post..it SPECIFICALLY refers to USA..
    ——————————-
    Well, ya got me thar matey! HARHAR. Could it be that overpopulation is a problem both in the US and the rest of the world? If that answers whatever the fuck point you were trying to make.

  339. dale January 17, 2012 at 6:07 pm #

    Your disparaging remarks smell of desperation and denial.
    ————————————-
    Eric Phelps is your source, and I’M desperate? Did you graduate from grammer school?

  340. dale January 17, 2012 at 6:12 pm #

    Remember how hilarious you thought my idea of comic book heroes as golems was? And how you viciously mocked me (good buddhist!) as usual? And asked me for my sources etc?
    ——————————————-
    I have no idea what the fuck you are talkiing about in your first sentence….as for the rest of it….as usual when your nonsense gets adequately pointed out to be what it is, you get all weepy and think you are being abused. BTW you still haven’t posted any sources, but like I said, you don’t have metuseleh’s guts. Ubertwerp.

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  341. dale January 17, 2012 at 6:23 pm #

    So because NAFTA hurt other countries it’s bad but because illegal immigration hurts America it’s “just a reflection” and therefore fine.
    ———————–
    I’ve always been consistent that NAFTA is unfair to American workers (see point four in my four point “manifesto”) Man! I’ve always wanted to have a Manifesto!

  342. charliefoxtrot January 17, 2012 at 6:25 pm #

    i ll take a swing at it now:
    jim has tried to warn us of tomfoolery and
    shenannigans in yet another slice of the pie…
    some of us have taken heart; some tried to pick him apart by saying “again?”
    in no particular order, and by no means all-inclusive:
    asoka has stayed true to form, and is all over the planet
    progress2conserve still wants people to stay on their parts of the planet, at least until there is some good reason for them to come here
    wage laborer still gets called a communist for thinking there should be some kind of fairness and equity imposed on this mess
    vladdikins still gets called nazi; the latest is CIA shill, and he s moving to italy so as to be closer to the vatican/jesuit/lizard conspiracy
    metuselah still has a hard-on for said vatican/jesuit/lizard conspiracy
    tegmark the robot maneater is still crazy as a shithouse rat with schizophrenia
    some jackass is still trying to sell us fur coats and naugahyde shoes from east asia with no real success
    the usual suspects keep arguing back and forth about whether or not there is a dog, and if so will we ever get some sleep
    others can t seem to agree whether our fearless leaders are going to start WWWIII, or let iran do it for us
    there have been some intelligent and insightful comments so far, much like any other week- i ll let you separate the wheat from the chaff as far as that goes
    I HOPE I HAVEN T OFFENDED ANYONE EITHER BY INCLUDING OR EXCLUDING YOU FROM THIS SUMMATION
    (it is, after all, intended as a tongue-in-cheek review)

  343. dale January 17, 2012 at 6:28 pm #

    Comic Books have been dominated by Jews and the super heroes they create reflect this and the directions they want America to go.
    ——————————————–
    Oh….I see… comic books, that’s your source.
    Seriously Vlad, now comic books are an evil jewish plot? Been seeing a number of alien reptilian overlords lately, have ya?

  344. progress2conserve January 17, 2012 at 6:32 pm #

    “Marlin, I’d like to believe what you say is true. It’s just that I see so many anti-Israel posts here, and so few pro ones that I wonder if that’s the way it is across the country.”
    -beantownbill-
    Bill, first of all, I would be cautious extrapolating the demographic of posters here as a proxy for the sentiments of the population of the United States at large. A representative sampling, we are not. (P2C now wins understatement of the year award for January.)
    And this website is hemmed in between two posters, like logical bookends.
    Vlad – everything bad in the world is purely the fault of a Jewish conspiracy.
    Mika/Metuselah – nothing bad in the world can be the fault of a Jewish conspiracy, because it is all the fault of a Vatican conspiracy.
    Very interesting.
    Keep posting, Bill, you’re on a roll.

  345. progress2conserve January 17, 2012 at 6:41 pm #

    “i ll take a swing at it now”
    -charlieF, preparing a summary for turkle-
    WOW! That’s beautiful, CF, a magnificent summary of a typical week.

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  346. progress2conserve January 17, 2012 at 7:03 pm #

    Bill, Metuselah, anyone else interested.
    As sometimes happens – there’s a Fred for this.
    One of these days I’ll share a story or two to try to prove my non-antisemitic credentials.
    Posting this guy probably doesn’t help that case all that much. But Fred just sounds like a realist to me. If he’s demonstrating antisemitism in this column, somebody is going to have to point it out to me.
    http://www.fredoneverything.net/Israel.shtml
    It’s well worth reading. Some of it is even funny, about how the US Congress is for sale to the highest bidder. Here’s an excerpt of some less funny parts:
    “Why does Israel…..? Because it can. Why can it? Because America is its enabler. Israel has a huge air force because America gives it airplanes. Nobody else would. Its economy stays afloat because America gives it money. If it wants to bomb somebody, the US keeps the world from stopping it. If it loses a war, which it did in ’73, the US bails it out. Israel can always say, “If you don’t like it, I’ll make my big brother beat you up.”
    “Can anything shake ….. Washington? Yep. Money. Oil. Twelve dollar gas. The American public is the most clueless in the First World, but it knows the price of gas. So far, AIPAC has had an easy ride because Israel hasn’t really cost much: a few billion a year in aid, some vetoes in the UN, and a bunch of angry ragtops growling on their sand dunes. This doesn’t affect folks back in the district. You can do anything you want in Washington as long as people back home are comfortable.” -fred-

  347. charliefoxtrot January 17, 2012 at 7:07 pm #

    #B >]

  348. Vlad Krandz January 17, 2012 at 7:21 pm #

    Thank you Prog and Fred. Exactly what I said. It’s not for nothing that the Jews have been thrown out of every European Country at one time or another. And of course, just like the guy whose been thrown out of every bar in town, it’s always someone else’s fault in each and every case. He’s COMPLETELY innocent – always of everything. Not 50/50, 60/40, 70/30, 99/1 – NO! Fucking 100% innocent of everything. And then they wonder why we don’t believe them about anything.

  349. asoka. January 17, 2012 at 7:22 pm #

    CFT, that was an excellent summary. I am, indeed, all over the planet. No problem with your characterization. Very perceptive.

  350. Vlad Krandz January 17, 2012 at 7:24 pm #

    Btw, I never said that Whites bear no responsibility for the state of America and the West. Unlike Mika I’m capable of subtlety. But are you capable of appreciating it?

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  351. asoka. January 17, 2012 at 8:13 pm #

    But imagination is very real – and their creations effected generations of young Americans.
    =================
    This a typical non-statement, completely lacking in meaning. Vlad appears to intend to implicate Jews in something nefarious.
    Jewish creations “effected” [sic] generations of young Americans? How? Positively?
    No indication of what the effects were? No evidence offered that there were any effects at all?
    Just smear the Jews because they supposedly created comic books (no proof of even that assertion).
    Really lame, Vlad.

  352. youmouyixia January 17, 2012 at 8:38 pm #

       According to Voice of the economy, "World Finance" report, following the 6th and in Paris after meeting Italian Prime Minister Monty, French President Nicolas Sarkozy said that he and German Chancellor Angela Merkel will be in Rome on 20 October to meet with Monty .
       In Italy and France cut the deficit to dispel people who challenged the program created a new war, the Rome Conference will make three deep crisis in the euro zone’s largest economy together. wedding dress
     

  353. youmouyixia January 17, 2012 at 8:40 pm #

       According to the Saudi "Economic Daily" reported that Saudi oil minister Ali Naimi has said the current crude oil production capacity of Saudi Arabia about 1250 barrels / day, exports remained at about 900-1000 million barrels / day. Saudi Arabia is ready to make up for any oil supply gap in the market, Saudi Arabia’s oil production will be based on market supply and demand adjust. Saudi Aramco, said the former senior vice president of Sada De, OPEC crude oil production capacity can compensate for the international market due to the embargo Iran’s crude oil supply shortfall occurs, the remaining Saudi crude oil production capacity up to 250 million barrels / day, and Iranian Oil exports only 200 million barrels / day, Saudi spare capacity of a country is enough to solve this problem, while other OPEC members will be added to the increase in the coming weeks. bridal dress
     

  354. anti soak January 17, 2012 at 8:41 pm #

    My points similar to P2C and Pat Buchanan’s..
    That we cant control the world but we can easily
    control the borders, except the power elite dont want us to.

  355. asoka. January 17, 2012 at 8:47 pm #

    NO! Fucking 100% innocent of everything. And then they wonder why we don’t believe them about anything.
    ==============
    With antisemitics like you the very fact of being Jewish implies guilt of something, not innocence. Your prejudice is ugly.
    Being Jewish is not indicative of anything other than being human. There is diversity among Jews and you are falsely painting all Jews with a broad brush. Your antisemitism is ugly.

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  356. anti soak January 17, 2012 at 8:48 pm #

    USA DECLINE….Ya can only add so much ‘Third World’
    to the population before a tipping point is reach and viola, 3rd world!
    MULTI CULTURALISM
    MULTI LINGUALISM
    Diseases like TB and even Leprosy increasing.
    I caught a news show today..US pays almost half a billion to contain pythons and other species in the everglades etc.
    US just banned importation of a few snake species today and now beagles are sniffing for them at airports among the luggage!

  357. ozone January 17, 2012 at 8:49 pm #

    One might do well to consider this comprehensive article when pondering the multi-layered Iranian puzzle. My opinion ain’t worth much, but after reading this I’m certainly convinced I’ve been on the right track at least.
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30269.htm
    (I know it goes against the pet theories of many, but there’s that ol’ “tough shit” thang again. FOLLOW THE FOOKIN’ MONEY…)

  358. asoka. January 17, 2012 at 8:50 pm #

    we can easily control the borders
    =====================
    Thousands of miles of land borders to the north and the south … and two oceans to the east and the west, and you use the word “easily”?
    You are a dreamer. Easily? Ha!

  359. progress2conserve January 17, 2012 at 8:52 pm #

    We don’t even have to “CONTROL” the borders, anti.
    Require E-verify for workers, and the borders would take care of themselves.
    We do need to lower the high rates of LEGAL immigration.
    JOIN FAIR.
    http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer

  360. ozone January 17, 2012 at 8:53 pm #

    CFT,
    And you did all that with just your thumbs??
    Nice rundown! Saved a bunch of time and energy (not to mention eye strain). ;o)

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  361. DeeJones January 17, 2012 at 8:59 pm #

    “On the other hand, there’s is no need for you to defend your heritage and Israel’s existence to the anti Semites, cranks, Islamists, Commie-Marxists, anti Americans, west deconstructionists, and Nazis who frequent this site and seem to be attracted to the subject of Peak Oil. Its a waste of time.”
    Yeah, right, so everybody that disagrees with you is one of the above. You are such a fuckwad.
    😉

  362. DeeJones January 17, 2012 at 9:02 pm #

    Hey, Jackie, lay off the tequila before you post.
    😉

  363. progress2conserve January 17, 2012 at 9:03 pm #

    “Your antisemitism is ugly.”
    -asoka, to vlad-
    OK, we get that, asoka..
    But – for purposes of this discussion tonight – vlad is reacting to Mika/Metuselah, who essentially holds the Jews and Israel 100% blameless.
    I trust Bill of Boston. My jury is still out on Mika/Metuselah – but he does claim to be a “boot on the ground” in Israel, and I’ve not yet seen anything to directly contradict this assertion of his. So, Mika has my full attention right now.
    You don’t have a voice here, asoka., except as a Resident Impediment. One thing you have NEVER claimed to be, even once – as one of your many, many multitudes – is that you are Jewish.
    Nor, have you claimed that you live in Israel.
    yet.

  364. DeeJones January 17, 2012 at 9:04 pm #

    “f life became unbearable here, say, kind of gulag-like, I could see me trying to get out. But other than that extreme, I was born in America and I’ll die in America. I won’t run away just because things aren’t going well here, like some other pussies who have already done so.”
    Let see if you are saying that when things get really tough, or if you are wishing you were neighbors with Asoka. Asshat.
    😉

  365. Vlad Krandz January 17, 2012 at 9:06 pm #

    Great clip about the shameful relationship between Israel and the Republican Party. Bibi has it in for Obama and Ron Paul – the only Republican candidate they’re attacking. So my path is clear for this election. But long term what to do? It seems clear that the future of anti-semitism so called lies with the Left. What a shameful thing for so called conservatives. I can’t vote for the Democrats at all. All I can hope for is the rise of a Third Party which will be American First and incorporate the best aspects of both the Left and the Right.
    http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=10829

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  366. progress2conserve January 17, 2012 at 9:06 pm #

    My 9:03 post was supposed to go to asoka., not to you antisoak.
    Apologies.

  367. Vlad Krandz January 17, 2012 at 9:10 pm #

    And you trust Bill why? When has he ever spoken against Met? When has he spoken against anything his people have ever done? You are being played.

  368. metuselah January 17, 2012 at 9:13 pm #

    Haha, thanks Bill. It’s the perfect fit, isn’t. Though it’s interesting how characters like Vlad always seek Jews to be around with. Seems as though we are the only thing that animates them. Without us they are completely dead. Did you not notice that? I’m going to take a new tact with Vladik. I’m going to completely ignore him until he apologizes to me and to you for his trolling his lies and his malice towards Jews and Blacks.

  369. progress2conserve January 17, 2012 at 9:25 pm #

    “Let see if you are saying that when things get really tough, or if you are wishing you were neighbors with Asoka. Asshat.*”
    -dee, to btb-
    Dee – One thing that consistently gets your Irish up around this CFN webspace, here – is suggesting that leaving the United States shows ________.
    (you fill in the blank, however you like)
    So, let me say this about that. hahoeh
    I’m glad you like it in Costa Rica. Truly. I’m sure it’s a great place to live, with people, and certainly with a CLIMATE, that favors TLE survival better than does the United States.
    Good for you. And I assume you are making a life down there, and you’re planning on ways to live among the locals – should your flow of money from the States be cut off. And especially – should the money and the oil be cut off forever, to the point that you only get ONE more airplane flight, EVER, and you elect to remain in Coast Rica for the duration of forever.
    If you’re doing all of that, and you have RELLY though through all the implications, then you’ve got bigger ovaries – than I’ve got balls – girlfriend! ;o)
    I’m going to stay closer to where I was born.
    And try to make things better there.
    I wish more people would do that.
    We would be less doomed.

  370. asoka. January 17, 2012 at 9:29 pm #

    One thing you have NEVER claimed to be, even once – as one of your many, many multitudes – is that you are Jewish. Nor, have you claimed that you live in Israel. yet.
    ================
    ProCon, I cannot claim to be Jewish. Nor have I ever set foot in Israel. Existence decided otherwise.
    I do have great respect for Jews and Israelis. I have never wanted to visit the “holy land,” though I did visit Jesus’ tomb in Kashmir and respect Jesus as a Jewish teacher (not as a Messiah).
    The amount of noise on CFN in the form of long rambling double posts and h7m1s7g1 Chinese character posts is impeding dialog much more effectively than the RI. Asoka=RI Fail.

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  371. progress2conserve January 17, 2012 at 9:32 pm #

    you have RELLY though through all the implications
    Do what?
    Apparently, the imagery involved in DEE and me measuring our respective reproductive apparatuses – upset my spelling and typing skills.
    Let’s try:
    “you have REALLY thought throudh all the implications”
    —————
    And Dee, I meant to compliment you on this one:
    “Asoka. Asshat.*”
    I like it.
    I like it a lot.
    Perhaps we should let the term “Asoka. Asshat.” replace the sobriquet of “The Resident Impediment,” for purposes of discussion – on CFN?

  372. progress2conserve January 17, 2012 at 9:40 pm #

    “you have REALLY thought throudh all the implications”
    -p2c-
    Freak on a leash! OK – no further mention of DEE’s ovaries, or my testicles, is to be allowed on CFN for the duration of the week. Something about it really upsets my typing.
    And – if anyone is interested – I’m trying to slam in a bunch of posts tonight, because I’m going off the internet tomorrow – in honor of Wikipedia doing the same thing.
    Actually, I’m going out of town for work.
    But, what good is the internet without Wikipedia?
    Seriously.

  373. asoka. January 17, 2012 at 9:40 pm #

    CORRECTION
    I respect Jesus as a flawed Jewish teacher with anger management problems (not as a Messiah).
    Overturning tables IN THE TEMPLE, cursing fig trees for not having fruit out of season, telling people to hate their parents, saying he came to bring a sword, not peace, etc. …
    The dude was just nutso out of control with his anger and egotism: “I am the way, the truth and the light. Nobody gets to the Father except through me.” Riiight. That is the Fucktard Idiot Jesus.
    The Sermon on the Mount, on the other hand, had some redeeming social value. That was the beautiful Jesus that inspired liberation theology and communist movements around the world.

  374. asoka. January 17, 2012 at 9:44 pm #

    Perhaps we should let the term “Asoka. Asshat.” replace the sobriquet …
    ================
    I pray to God that you are not denied entrance to heaven based on your meanness toward me. Your uncouth behavior is simply uncalled for and not becoming of a southern gentleman.

  375. metuselah January 17, 2012 at 10:04 pm #

    PC, nowhere did I say that Israel is 100% blameless. In fact, I said that nobody is perfect. The difference is that Israel is always judged very harshly and completely out of all proportion. That is a blatant double standard. Furthermore, the media controlled by the Jesuits and their apparatchiks, always focuses on Israel. There’s nobody and nothing in the world that can withstand that kind of constant scrutiny applied for that long a time. But that’s not all. Much of the “reporting” is contrived and fabricated, hostile and misleading to the point of being an outright deception and incitement. It is a modern day witch hunt and an inquisition. If the same was applied against the Jesuits/Vatican/CIA/etc, there would be no Jesuits/Vatican/CIA/etc.

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  376. bvdxsupohc January 17, 2012 at 10:27 pm #

    Beijing – Gao Yuanyuan

    Shanghai – Sun Li

    Tianjin – ???

    Chongqing – Jiang Qinqin

    Guangdong – Yoyo Mung

    Sichuan – Baby Zhang

    Jiangsu – Han Xue

    Zhejiang – Jiangxi

    Zhou Xun – Chen
    Hubei – Hunan

    Liu Yifei – Zuying

    Shandong – Shanxi

    Fan Bingbing – Zhang Yan

    Xinjiang – Xia

    Shaanxi – Nursery

    Heilongjiang – Li Bingbing

    Jilin – Liaoning comfortable

    – Dong Jie

    Guangxi – Wenqing

    Fujian – Zhang Jing early

    Guizhou – quiet

    Anhui – Zhao Wei

    Yunnan – Hu Jing

    Hainan – Amy Chan

    Hebei – Sun Feifei

    Henan – Ma Yanli

    Inner Mongolia – Wang Likun

    Gansu – Wang Yi

    Hong Kong – Cecilia Cheung

    Macau – Michelle Reis

    Taiwan – Lin Chi-ling

  377. progress2conserve January 17, 2012 at 10:29 pm #

    “And you trust Bill why?”
    -vlad-
    Vlad, I trust Bill because I know him. Not in the literal sense, of knowing him personally – but I know him in the many good Jewish men and women I’ve worked with and socialized with through the years.
    “You are being played.”
    -vlad, concerning btb-
    Well, maybe – but it’s an anonymous website, not the stock market or a video game. So, I’m very interested in what Bill has to say.

  378. progress2conserve January 17, 2012 at 10:35 pm #

    “I pray to God that you are not denied entrance to heaven based on your meanness toward me.”
    -asoka.-
    So, to whom are you praying, a.?
    “That is the Fucktard Idiot Jesus.”
    -asoka.-
    Not sure prayers like that are going to help me a whole lot, a..

  379. asoka. January 17, 2012 at 10:49 pm #

    I prayed to Allah for your wife’s recovery and you gave me holy hell. (your wife did recover though)
    I don’t pray to the second-rate moral teacher named Jesus.
    I pray to Existence, the only atheist-approved option.
    Who do you pray to?

  380. progress2conserve January 17, 2012 at 10:50 pm #

    “The difference is that Israel is always judged very harshly and completely out of all proportion. That is a blatant double standard. Furthermore, the media controlled by the Jesuits and their apparatchiks, always focuses on Israel.”
    -metuselah-
    Met, the perception is building in the States that the “media” is not controlled by the Jesuits, at all. In fact, there is concern being expressed that (well, let’s be honest here) some of the media may be controlled by – let us carefully and politely say – gentlemen and gentlewomen of a Hebraic persuasion.
    That’s not to say that there is a Jewish Conspiracy, IMO Met there is not – but I DO NOT KNOW WHERE you would go to find a JESUIT – anywhere in control of the “media” inside the United States. A JESUIT in charge of a movie studio, or a major news operation in the States??
    Come on, Met.
    ===========================
    As far as Israel being judged “harshly,” …
    Met, I don’t think so. At least not inside the United States. As far as the world press goes, I don’t know – Al Jezerra doesn’t seem that pro-Israeli, but most of what I see in the US and in the World press – looks fairly non-judgmental.
    Israel has had since 1948 to get things right.
    What do they need to do to make things better for good and for all time?
    You, Met, keep saying for the CIA/USA to get out of the way and let the Israelis handle things by themselves. Is that really what you want?
    Because – one day – that’s probably what you are going to have.
    What does the United States need to do – maybe for one last time – to back the Israelis up, while they make one last attempt at making things better for good and for all time.
    20 years, 50 years, 100 years – we can’t keep having Arab/Israeli wars and do-overs forever.
    Somebody needs to figure out how to fix this before all of the oil, natural gas, and coal run out.

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  381. progress2conserve January 17, 2012 at 10:59 pm #

    “Who do you pray to?”
    -asoka-
    I pray to whatever organization, club, or deity (Deity?) will get you to stop sticking your Residentially Impedimentarily Proboscis – into every single discussion and every single issue that comes up on this Cluster Fucked Nation.
    =========================
    For example – you don’t really add anything by labeling Sir Vlad Krandz as an anti Semite.
    Jesus (a nice Jewish man, btw) H. Christ on a Broken Crutch – do you think you are telling us something new about Vlad that we have not already discovered for ourselves, here?
    Jeeze.

  382. Vlad Krandz January 17, 2012 at 11:06 pm #

    Ok so Met and I are the same – fanatics. And you and Bill are the same – reasonable, middle class men. So why does Bill never say a word against Met? You two only appear to be the same, or in this case, feel to be the same to you. He is in fact, a soldier for his People. You are not, but in fact, are glad that the South lost. Bill is far more like me than you. He and Met are good cop/bad cop. You’ve been played.
    Try and get him to criticize Israel or the Jews in any way, shape, or form. Dare you. And now compare him to yourself who would happily talk about the evils of the White Race for hours. And he would gladly listen too. But there would never be any reciprocity.
    Men of your type often mistake a sense of familiarity and comfort with someone for intuition. You are not advanced enough to tell the difference.

  383. asoka. January 17, 2012 at 11:08 pm #

    I pray to whatever organization, club, or deity…
    ================
    Procon, you are either not praying hard enough, or your heart is insincere, or deities don’t exist.
    For whatever reason, it’s not working. Q is gone, but I’m still here.

  384. Vlad Krandz January 17, 2012 at 11:09 pm #

    Oh No! Not that! Anything but that! I’m dyiiiiiiiiing….

  385. BeantownBill January 17, 2012 at 11:13 pm #

    Sorry, CharlieFT, I went out to supper with friends and just got back.
    To answer your rhetorical question of “what’s the holdup?”, all it would take is diplomatic recognition. I mean, how can Israel enter into serious discussions with its neighbors in the region if said neighbors refuse to acknowledge it exists (except for Egypt)? Oh, by the way, Palestinians as a people were refused entry to any other Arab country by those countries’ own peoples.
    Jerusalem was the capitol city of the Jews since 1000 B.C. By Christ’s time, the psychic and emotional center of Judaism was at the Second Temple in Jerusalem. This pre-dated any Islamic claim to Jerusalem by some 700 years. Jerusalem is the 3rd most holy city of Islam, but it is the only holy city of Judaism.
    During the next 1900 or so years, when Jews were dispersed across Europe (most people are unaware that during this time period, some Jews were always residing in the holy land), their rallying cry was “Next Year in Jerusalem”. That’s how important Jerusalem is to the Jews.
    When Israel was created in 1948, Jerusalem was divided into East and West Jerusalem, one part Arab, and one part Jewish, at the request of the European powers and the US – I’d guess, to assuage the Muslims. It was a bitter pill (er of salt, as you said) for Jews, but they had no choice but to accept those terms if they wanted their own country.
    When the Six-Day War was won by Israel in 1967, part of the territory the Israelis captured was East Jerusalem. Israel united the city and vowed to never allow Jerusalem to be divided again, and that’s where the situation stands now.

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  386. rippedthunder January 17, 2012 at 11:27 pm #

    Since the restaurant is open H7M1S7GI
    I’ll have a number 2 and a number 7 combo with that, hold the eggroll and add extra noodles. Thanks, That will be delivery. My address is :
    Rippedthunder, heh
    999 What da Fuc Ln.
    Tehran, Iran
    KAHBOOM!

  387. progress2conserve January 17, 2012 at 11:31 pm #

    “Ok so Met and I are the same – fanatics. And you and Bill are the same – reasonable, middle class men. So why does Bill never say a word against Met?”
    -vlad-
    Bill, vlad asks a reasonable question.
    Floor is open.

  388. rippedthunder January 17, 2012 at 11:34 pm #

    No ill will towards Iran. Please do not misconstrue my lame attempt at sarcasm. Ka boom was a zip code. I just get frustrated when I can’t read a foreign language.

  389. BeantownBill January 17, 2012 at 11:37 pm #

    Procon, you think I should start hanging out in other internet places, too? I don’t, too much. CFNers are willing to think the unthinkable with regard to the future. Even though I’m not as pessimistic as most here, I like it that posters look at the world differently than the mainstream. Also, my impression is that the average CFNer is more intelligent than the, well, average.
    I hope you’re right about people’s attitudes concerning Israel are more positive in the mainstream.

  390. metuselah January 17, 2012 at 11:41 pm #

    What does the United States need to do
    ==
    The Vatican/US fscked the region so badly it might take generations to undue all the damage that you’ve done. And yes, the Soviets and the Nazis were surrogates of the US/Vatican war machine.
    I want the truth to be told. I want the Vatican/US machinations exposed to all, so that everyone everywhere knows and understands what I know and understand. This will be good for you. It will be good for us. It will be good for the world.
    I want the Faisal–Weizmann Agreement that was signed on 3 January 1919, honored and implemented.

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  391. k-dog January 18, 2012 at 12:00 am #

    Your welcome, anchor tags are cool. Be careful though, if you try and use too many in one post the span filter eats your post. You will think you have disrespected the gods and have been banned.
    I hate it when that happens. Paranoia will annoy yah you know.

  392. Vlad Krandz January 18, 2012 at 12:02 am #

    As Bustin asked: a reasoned argument in favor of Old’s Free Money. The premise: since the Banks create it out of nothing why can’t the State? And by not charging interest on it the people are not impoverished. Banks could still exist, but the creation of money is the unique province of the State – as the Founders indicated. Thus banks would have to compete giving real interest and having real money in reserve.
    http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/01/money-for-nothing/#more-22636

  393. BeantownBill January 18, 2012 at 12:04 am #

    Well…..
    I was just stating my opinion, not trying to disparage you. HOWEVER, you did irritate me awhile ago when you posted several times with what I considered a superior attitude about you leaving the US behind, and you kind of gleefully chortling about the US’ troubles. I was going to reply to you then, but another poster replied with a comment that was pretty much the same as I would have made, so I didn’t post. Your anti-Israel commentsalso didn’t exactly endear you to me (as if you care).
    I would like to know what an asshat is. I understand the meaning in the perjorative way, but how is it different from an asshole? An asshole is a real object that shit passes through, and it has always been considered, at least in our country, as a dirty and disgusting object of disdain – so I can understand why the word is used as an insult. But an asshat? Is this a real object? Is it some kind of garment that is placed over one’s anus? And if so, why? A hat is used as a covering to keep the head warm, so is an asshat a covering to keep one’s ass warm, too? I mean, my ass doesn’t really get cold enough here in New England for me to justify wearing an asshat. And, does one wear it inside the pants or outside? If outside, how does it stay attached in the ass area?

  394. k-dog January 18, 2012 at 12:06 am #

    Thanks BeantownBill, I hope you enjoy it. There will be more to come.

  395. k-dog January 18, 2012 at 12:12 am #

    From the slang expression having one’s head up one’s ass, thus, wearing the ass as a hat. The term is extended to people who are clueless or bumbling, who don’t understand what is going on.

    ASSHAT ORIGIN

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  396. BeantownBill January 18, 2012 at 12:14 am #

    Procon, with all due respect, I’m not going to get involved here as a 3rd party in a discussion between you and Vlad, and I think it’s inappropriate for me to try to explain or justify the kind of on-line relationship I have with Mika. But I will say, Mika and I did get into it a little, back near the time I started posting here. So, as usual, Vlad’s comments are not accurate.

  397. BeantownBill January 18, 2012 at 12:21 am #

    Thank you so much, k-dog. You’ve made my day. I never thought of the term as having one’s head up one’s ass. In the spirit of this discussion, I checked out your Wikipedia link, and found the word asshelmut, which is much worse than asshat. I can’t wait to use the word in a post.

  398. progress2conserve January 18, 2012 at 12:28 am #

    Bill –
    Forget Vlad.
    I’m of the slowly growing opinion that Mika/Metuselah is about 85% crackers.
    What makes you think he’s Jewish, anyway?
    Do Jews never go mashugana?
    What did you think of the Fred Reed piece I linked?
    If we can’t speak truth to each other here, Bill, where are we going to speak it?
    =============
    OK, I’m out of here for a day.
    Everybody:
    Do a Google search.
    Do a Wikipedia search.
    Very weird, definitely!
    Powerful, though?
    I hope so, but that remains to be seen.

  399. metuselah January 18, 2012 at 1:06 am #

    PC, you know I’m telling the truth.
    Read Anthony Sutton.
    Read Carroll Quigley.
    Read Samuel Morse.
    Read Jeremiah Crowley.
    Read Eric Phelps.
    And the list goes on and on.

  400. metuselah January 18, 2012 at 1:07 am #

    EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ THIS!

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  401. Vlad Krandz January 18, 2012 at 1:17 am #

    Spinoza, a Jew, said the essence of Judaism is hatred or separation. That’s a little strong, but they do need enemies to keep their rationale for their existence.
    White Nationalists seek separation but we don’t need enemies to value ourselves. Needless to say, everyone hates us.
    The Jews have a concept called Tikun Olam or repairing the world. That’s another way of saying of sticking their noses in everywhere and ultimately taking over. They think God has given them their superiority for this reason. We wont no part of it. Btw, earlier White Nationalists had similar fantasies but we have matured as a movement and now just want our own spaces.

  402. Vlad Krandz January 18, 2012 at 1:33 am #

    Right. He acts like this has all been resolved long ago. In fact, it never has. They never want to talk about it. Anti-Semitism is like Racism: a shibboleth, an idol, a magic word to end all discussion.
    A preliminary definition: Anti-Semitism is when anyone, at any time in any place for any reason renders any negative judgement about any Jew or anything remotely Jewish.
    See if I’m wrong. And see what these FANATICS want to do with people who disagree with them. The Muslims in Europe only built upon the intellectual and legal foundations that the Jews had already laid. Ironic, is it not? But anyone who knows history knows the tragic foolishness of the Jews.
    Ever read about the Cossacks? The Jews got themselves right in the middle of an ugly conflict between two Civilizations: Catholic and Orthodox in the Ukraine. The Poles had conquered and the Jews were the middle men and muscle the Poles used to exploit the Ukrainian Peasants. The Polish Lords were safe, hundreds of miles away in their castles. The Jews exposed themselves and their families to the revenge of the Ukrainians who couldn’t get at the Poles directly. And unfortunately for the Jews, they had a very powerful friend in the Cossacks. Of course the Jews will tell about the atrocities and leave out their role as thugs and enforcers. They always twist history to make themselves look Perfect and Perfect Victims.

  403. k-dog January 18, 2012 at 1:41 am #

    Wikipedia is fascinating tonight. Their pages still preview in Google using AJAX technology I imagine but when actually following a link their blank protest page HTML comes up. Quite sophisticated and coordinated.
    Seems we have more than one big brother. The U.S. Congress and Wikipedia which loves to package information the way they want you to see it.

  404. asoka. January 18, 2012 at 1:55 am #

    Because the Wikipedia protest message is powered by JavaScript, it’s still possible to view Wikipedia by completely disabling JavaScript in your browser.

  405. IxNoMor January 18, 2012 at 2:20 am #

    “Garbage Warrior”
    Seriously? The guy opens the video, guzzling full-out on a motorcycle, in the middle of nowhere/uninhabitable space (aka – THE DESERT). Then he claims, “A family of 4 could totally survive here, without even going to the store”?!? If so, someone is sitting on the miracle cure to overpopulation/overconsumption/overpollution.
    Finally, it ends with him in his 2-ton-death-metal-coffin, cruising the desert interstate, contemplating his own demise (how sad, TOO FUCKING BAD).
    VERY, VERY MUCH *WRONG*. There is no food or water in the desert for a family of 4, much less a survivalist. More of the same old *THRIVE* horse-shit.
    Garbage Man – stop guzzling gas in your cycle/2-ton-death-metal coffin, and live somewhere hospitable, where crops grow and livestock can graze (ie. not in the middle of the desert). My stomach turned, watching that drivel…

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  406. k-dog January 18, 2012 at 2:38 am #

    I’m happy without it.

  407. asoka. January 18, 2012 at 2:42 am #

    Garbage Warrior is a testament to the human spirit, an inspiring movie.

  408. asoka. January 18, 2012 at 2:44 am #

    Me, too. It is basically an unreliable source that can be edited by anyone, even me. I improve articles on Wikipedia and cite my sources. My changes are then reverted or changed by someone else. It is a dynamically changing mess.

  409. Vlad Krandz January 18, 2012 at 2:55 am #

    And also don’t forget to read Eustace Mullins on the Jewish part of the Conspiracy.

  410. old69 January 18, 2012 at 3:03 am #

    Impotency Achieved
    We are (or I am or they or it ? whatever) 100 % impotent, totally, in all ways, sexually, psychologically, spiritually, you name it. Total failures, total losers. Sore losers. Be a sore loser. No problem can ever be solved, give up all real fast, there are no solutions for any possible problem, end of story. Because of all the information we receive and all of the imaginary battle grounds (ever changing battle grounds) we can’t do absolutely anything about it, we cannot even touch it, or modify the path all those ever changing and new battle grounds follow. Of all of those battles, contradictions, contentions (do you want the right or left to win ? do you want the war in Irak ? do you want more or less taxes ? do you want the green economy or keep on “wasting” gas ? especially do you want “this specific person in jail or to lose” (we love personalizations of contentions, we love to fight people figures) you name it) you cannot do absolutely anything about them, you can’t do nothing about where they go, total 100 % impotency achieved no matter what, they are 100 % independent of your will power, so much so, that it is totally useless even knowing about the battle or following any of all of this information and news BS.
    It is all so far away and so detached from anything you can do, and so much of an indirection, denotation, etc. that it is incredible that people waste so much energy and time and emotions and feelings over all of this imaginary, non existent, abstract BS. Who gives two c*cks and a d*ck about Iran, Irak or Afghanistan ? what are they even ? two countries far away that have nothing at all to do with me. And why should I follow any news about them and get all worked up when my power to change or influence or interact with such remote abstract entities is a big fat zero ? So as usual, you better free your mind instead and not think about all of this BS, better no news about anything at all, it is all worthless drivel.
    And you are always within a simulation of winning or losing, an emotional roller coaster, where your rage and happiness (but it could also be very shallow, it doesn’t have to be extreme feelings) are constantly being pushed up and down according to who or what is winning.
    Is the stock market going up ? do I want it to go up or down ? if I want it to go up “then I win” when it goes up, etc. Is oil “finishing” ? if it does “I win” (if I wanted it to finish), hence I won my little imaginary battle and so on. Actually the “News”, all new information is always framed within an imaginary battle ground of contrasting forces, it is always some form of A versus B, and you have to take sides (do I want A to win or A to happen versus B ? are things going in the direction that I would like them to ? if yes I “feel good”, “I win”, “I have achieved”, if no “I feel bad”, etc.), you automatically take sides no matter what since our mind is a simple one transistor circuit (and we love to imagine how “right” we are, how are positions are all “so correct” and so “special” and how we can “figure the correct way to go” as opposed to all the other slobs, we like “to feel smart” and assign ourselves as smart, correct, the winners and so on), we are designed to fight, to be within the stage of a battle ground (it doesn’t even matter if it is real or fake or make believe or whatever), and after you take sides you break the symmetry of a constant emotional and feeling state to put it in an agitation state of winning – losing – following the game – taking sides, the same old emotional roller coaster, etc.
    At least in sports, the battle ground is clearly simply a game, no other consequences and we take sides for fun (sometimes it gets violent and bad anyways, go figure), but in politics, economy, society we take sides thinking that there are “deeper” metaphysical, spiritual reasons, it is supposed to be deeper, what the “common rules of society must be” is so much more important (but is it ? who gives two c*cks and a d*ck!).
    But that is also because we need a constant emotional stimulation, since a steady state – a state where no battle is going on is “boring”, so we need new information to fight a new battle (but we don’t fight anything, we just follow the game as spectators hoping a given side wins and “commenting” the game “showing off” how correct we are and how our side must win). It is all based on changing your emotional and feelings state into something that is not neutral or steady and into something that is activated and going up and down and following an input information that is associated with given feelings of feeling good or bad according to “the information coming in”. What an idiotic machine our Man Brain is.
    We need a constant new battle ground, and if there is no news to create it, we create it in our own mind, we create new targets to reach (but mos t of the targets are external things that we hope will happen and are independent of our will power), we invent new imaginary targets both in our personal life and in the external social world like will that building get finished ? (if it does I win), will that person do this and that (if they do this I win, etc.), will I get that raise ? Does person A do that or this, whatever etc. So we break a steady state, a neutral state, an indifferent state of feelings to activate good/bad states and involvement.
    And every new news fragment becomes the next battle ground, we don’t even notice how many times we change the battle grounds, how what seemed so important yesterday is invisible today, like the Irak war is no longer on the radar, but it was oh, so important for a few years, now the sinking ship is the new battle ground (what did the captain do ? what a c*ck, and everyone likes to feel so superior to the situation) and what happened to the oil spill in the gulf of mexico ? it is off the radar, the battle ground has changed, it no longer creates a new emotional roller coaster.
    And we have the never ending “Economic Crisis Adventure”: I read an old 10 years old magazine where they were talking about the then “Economic Crisis” and how the “Economy had to grow more” and such BS. In other words, we have always had (or do we need to create a battle ground ?) an economic crisis. And in the same magazine they were talking about grading system corporations have in order to fire some “non performing” workers, and the managers were saying that they have to invent and force inequality between people, find inequality between people even when there is no apparent inequality.
    Like today Italy and Greece are in “Economic Crisis” mode, but I remember that these countries have been in crisis mode for decades, for Italy, after some 15 years of real economic growth from the 1960s to the 1970s, the economy there was always in “crisis mode”, go figure, and yet their level of wealth remains sky high compared to at least a hundred other countries and it will take 100 years for entire continents to reach their puny level of “middle class” wealth, so what gives ? maybe growth is a limited concept from the outset ? maybe a country cannot grow past a certain point structurally ?
    And this comparison with Germany and such, well inequality exists, some areas are economically stronger than others, after all Germany fought the entire WWII against the whole world all by themselves, they have always been an economic powerhouse, so what is it with this idea that every country must be as economically as strong as Germany ? doesn’t make sense, you cannot eliminate inequality from the outset, and you can’t make believe that every country or area must become a first class economic region.
    It is as if all the states of the USA must become like Silicon Valley, now what sense does that make ? how is that possible ? so Alabama and Kentucky must all become like San Francisco and silicon valley and startups etc. otherwise they are failed economic entities, etc. How idiotic can you get ?
    Hey vlad, be your own queer, you don’t need another body, jackass. What a jackass always fighting this imaginary battle against niggers, how crazy can you be ?

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  411. old69 January 18, 2012 at 3:23 am #

    Information Particles
    Compare the extension and size and the amount of Matter Information occupies with regards to the external macro world. While the macro world with all of its cars, streets, trees whatever are the words, the tags, the categories, the entities information works upon, detaches from, denotes from to create a sequence of abstract symbols that become independent of the material world and can have any possible space and time occupied to express itself (but information as such is independent of space and time and can theoretically, in the limit, occupy zero space and time, as information is a pure mathematical and abstract entity, it is a pure Information Relationship, a formula so to say, a relationship independent of the substrate the information is grounded upon) occupies space and time and is made up of so much irrelevant noise compared to the tags they create (a rock is made up of millions of details and atoms, but it ends up being just a 4 letter word and used just as a pure mathematical entity, a relationship within our language and thought processing system), information is invisible, occupies in theory no space and no time. What a contrast.
    But that is why we (our or mine or its ? as usual ? Man Brain) are so much excess capacity ourselves because we are information machines containing a never ending probably infinite amount of information chunks, potential information relationships etc. while the material substrate of it all is heavy and limited.
    The limits of matter as it tends to information, the conversion of matter to information, the new Einstein formula for the “information to mass matter converter” or the “matter and mass energy to information converter” …
    APE

  412. 8man January 18, 2012 at 3:40 am #

    When you finally get something the value of that something becomes zero, we are always a contradictory machine, or sometimes the value may become even greater the more we have the same thing (you can extend the example to all possible items and narratives and entities), so maybe you bought that new car and the next day you are totally indifferent about it (or maybe angry, even worse off than before you had it, anything as the mind will find a million ways to self torture itself, etc.), but then maybe you will become ever more attached and end up thinking about it always more until it becomes the only possible thing that exists, a total obsession (you are hoping to lose it so you have an excuse to mourn and self torture yourself with regret, and hoping that the past would come back knowing it will never and so crying to yourself, etc. you get the idea).
    But even better, you can switch back and forth between something being 100 % important to zero importance in a jiffy (or forget and remember something, or forget to remember, or make up false memories, or make up anything you want, it is all a lie), or create associations, cause and effects in you mind that something is important and valuable exactly because you cannot get it, or maybe only because you can get it and all of the intermediate steps. You will always want that that is impossible to get only to fantasize it, and make it become this impossibly metaphysically high entity when it is only a pure turd, like everything, nothing has value, all is zero, a pure turd. Amen.

  413. 8man January 18, 2012 at 4:34 am #

    Every new configuration of bits our mind is merged in creates a new environment, a new box against which to compare all other boxes we remember (and especially all of the older and previous Information Relationships, imagined or remembered feelings/pains/pleasures or whatever), the comparison, the new reference system, the new situation as compared to the previous or older or even that of 10 years ago, etc. You worked in place A, now you work in place B and you compare, and the new B becomes the new reference system against which to compare all, every new event is a new world, a new reference system, all of the previous ones are nulled, on longer applicable, only applicable as remembered.
    Every new event is a new starting point for random actions and reactions, you never know, it never knows, nothing knows, not even after the fact, not even knowing knows.
    The sequence of events as the sequence of new reference systems, ever changing and all the values meanings changing, and so on, you take a trip to BRAZIL and then compare all to that, but since there are an infinite number of possible new reference systems, new trips, and even more so, there are infinite number of possible comparisons you can make between the last trip and any other place – situation, compare BRAZIL to JAPAN or to San Francisco or to whatever you remember (and remember memory is vague, flawed, or did we just make up all of those memories, etc.) there are an infinite number of relative reference systems ( the new wife compared to the old ? and so on) then reference systems are inherently relative, all is a comparison and relative, there are no absolutes, only quirks, random, chance, fluke and arbitrary, nothing solid here, it all can be changed.
    That is why people need religions, to hinge themselves on something solid, but it is destined to fail because god wanted it this way, wanted a vague impossible world for his turdy and pukey creation of Man Brain…
    As in always changing emotions and feelings about something, the constant change, the constant jumping around all over the place, the feelings, decision on what to feel is never clear, vague, doesn’t know what to feel or what it wants, ever changing vague, right and wrong, A or B and A and B and so on, nothing knows what it wants because nothing and everything is always changing his mind forever…

  414. IxNoMor January 18, 2012 at 4:59 am #

    “It is basically an unreliable source that can be edited by anyone”
    Agreed. I went to a wiki link the other day, looking up info on Syed Fahad Hashmi and the guy/*friend*/US govt agent “plant”/”terrorist” (free now) who entrapped him, Mohammed Junaid Babar – and wiki was severely lacking info on both accounts. I had to rely on news sites to get the (???) full story/details.
    Garbage man – “testament to the human spirit, an inspiring movie” – really? That dude guzzling gasohol in the DESERT, as if there was no limit in sight? Sure, he recycles garbage into houses – big fucking deal… Millions of already-constructed *livable* houses are being looted for scrap copper/bulldozed, as we speak. Shame on the garbage man!
    FWIW, I changed my garbage collection to “call the day prior for pickup” back in mid-August. It’s 5 months later, and my garbage can is almost 1/2 full (my recycle bin is almost 3/4 full). $10/pickup, next time I call in (nice savings – used to pay $23/month, and never put garbage out).
    Oh, *INQUIRING* minds must know – what theatre are you watching the GARBAGE MAN in, down there in the clearcuts of the Amazon Basin, Soker? Me wonders if they can trace the clearcutting of Australia back 15,000 years ago, to the aborigines? That southern hemisphere is *THE BOMB* (Saharan Desert clearcut 6-8k years ago).

  415. 8man January 18, 2012 at 5:53 am #

    Please scroll over the following block of text.
    Every configuration of bits (complete environment a Man Brain obtains and is instantaneously experiencing from a set of signals from its sense organs (and also the complete set of internal sensations, and all of the simultaneous comparisons operating in parallel with its memory and all the rest)) can transit, navigate, follow a path to any other possible configuration no matter how far away, different, completely different according to how it randomly is pushed there by a mix of external forces and internal will power forces, by a path of new events and configurations setting the stage for another new configuration and event set and paths and so on. Of course the intermediate steps to go from configuration A (trip in BRAZIL ? or more concretely walking down some random street in BRAZIL) to configuration M (a small visit to the local cemetery in NJ ?) may be many separate steps, maybe 10 maybe a trillion or maybe even just one, and the path may be completely random intermediate configurations or it could be, as we usually expect a smooth transition from one situation to the next according to logic, cause and effect and the laws of physics: but there can be trillions of paths that go from point A to point M, and for any point A and any point M there are trillions of possible paths. But we use our Will Power to try to guide the trip, the transformation, the travel from A to M, and we are constrained by the laws of physics that limit which paths can be taken, and at what speed, etc.
    But since there is a path that can bring you from any configuration to any other no matter how far out and improbable, a new modified Man Brain knows that there is a path that can bring you from any configuration to any other, so then it simply assigns the configuration it wants on the fly without following any paths like we must follow because we are constrained by our body, and the laws of physics and the contrasting set of other will powers and forces interdicting our desire to reach a given configuration. Or it may desire to follow a very quirky random path visiting many intermediate configurations that furnish a very random set of experiences and sensations, or even a smooth path, and anything else, and it may decide to make some will powers oppose it (but may force itself to always win the confrontation ? or does it want to play the guessing game ? or does it want to see if it can win by itself and accepts any new paths that are imposed because it chose to play closer to how our reality works ?). Of course this modified brain must be carefully designed with a very precise simulator of reality and maybe it can be done in a few decades, but then again does it matter how precise the information set is when all you really want is an experience ? and so the precision can be also very low but the Information Relationship creating the equivalent Experience is just enough for that Man Brain to have exactly the experience it wants, especially when you modify the variable C (of being convinced that something is real) in the mental computer program from our everyday 70 % to 95 % even if a set of signals are totally false (and maybe 100 % unrelated ?, an experience that is independent of the set of signals representing it ? hmm..).
    Like when one thinks that a set of behaviors and actions and activities and choices mean so many different things (other people performing them or yourself or a group or an interaction between so many people performing them, etc. cross information groups are communicating to each other, etc.) when they are all disjoint, or you are completely misunderstanding what they mean (but the information itself may misunderstand itself and so on in an infinite recursion. Regrets, self torture ? always and ever (never ?), you will always have a deeper and deeper guilt complex and you will never be ok, oh you should have done this or that, oh what a mistake, just that one decision could have changed everything, oh, how I want to go back to that one decision point or action point or behavior in that circumstance (but as Buddhism teaches, you may go back change your path only to get into a worse path and even worse and more regretful and even more guilt complex plagued reality, etc.) and more importantly the idea of having made a mistake in the past implies that there is an external reality operating: nothing further from the truth, reality is just an instantaneous configuration of bits with our memory of the past conditioning, falsifying and inhibiting (opposing resistance to) the possible new configurations that could be activated, memory as an interdiction towards new configurations of bits), but maybe all is always misunderstanding all, all signals falsify and create a fake language and narrative that means something completely different and again even that meaning becomes another narrative meaning something completely different forever until you get lost forever…
    Wow, what a boatload of drivel, trype and self delusion…

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  416. IxNoMor January 18, 2012 at 6:10 am #

    So, is this wiki thang the anon hack3rs? It’s barely affected me so far, but it seems to have dragged on for over 3 days now – Bwahahaha!!!
    Oh, PS – they forgot to shut down guild wars wiki, along with all the other educational-based wiki servers…
    Hope they have a reason, or solution. However, I doubt it – they’re the same IPO bought-and-payed-for asshats, that sell adds next to every link you might choose (I seriously miss all those Obama adds on YouTube)…

  417. old69 January 18, 2012 at 6:25 am #

    From:
    http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/01/money-for-nothing/#more-22636
    “Thus bankers, by loaning out the money they create for nothing, gain a mortgage on future production of real world goods and services.”
    Or are trying to force the world to produce many more goods and services than the world needs or can even absorb, are trying to force and make believe the economy is much richer than it is, but especially, much richer than it can possibly be structurally. In order to compensate the trillions and trillions of dollars of debt and fake money the banks created you would need so much real work and goods and services that there is no way that is is realistically possible.
    Add in optimizations and the Technological Economy killing jobs structurally and you have a recipe for insanity and disaster.
    Another reason why the only solution is free salaries and homes: since the banks created free money, then they must distribute all the free money, freely, since the machine is crashing, is a logical contradiction, can’t work any other way any more.

  418. old69 January 18, 2012 at 6:26 am #

    Also check out:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177908

  419. IxNoMor January 18, 2012 at 6:47 am #

    Seriously, 6969?!? (You fukin’ spammer) Strait of Hormuz. Nuff said. Let’s play this SHEET out!!!
    Fingers point at Jews (U know U love it, racist psychopaths), while drones rain down guided death on innocent women and children. And apparently, “they” (the US of A) most often use simple non-guided bombs, to take out the civies, err *terrorists*. Sux to be *THEM*. Anyone doing a tally? I though *NOT*…

  420. IxNoMor January 18, 2012 at 6:49 am #

    Soker lives in 2 places at once, and watches movies on the big screen in *BOTH PLACES AT ONCE*
    Hahahah! The Master Debater himself. Flips on a half-cent…

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  421. old69 January 18, 2012 at 6:49 am #

    Like when you think someone did something for a given reason while the reason was completely different or there was no reason at all. Constant misunderstandings, constant guessing games, you would never have imagined the real reason for him doing that, etc. Always a surprise, and do “real reasons” even exist ? aren’t all reasons hiding other reasons and new reasons and aren’t the reason being invented on the spot, or are some been going on for decades ? etc. I forgot what I forgot but remembered what I forgot but forgot if I remembered what I forgot to remember.
    And everyone thinks that there are all different reasons for the same things, but everything is hiding everything, no synchronization here, everything a total mismatch, an embaressing mismatch and total misunderstanding of all with all ?
    And when you see an item, and then see it slightly differently again, and see it yet differently again in a never ending change of perception, ideas or reason ? all change, vague, and rock solid clear and true…

  422. old69 January 18, 2012 at 6:52 am #

    Some corrections for your thesis:
    Like when you think someone did something for a given reason while the reason was completely different or there was no reason at all. Constant misunderstandings, constant guessing games, you would never have imagined the real reason for him doing that, etc. Always a surprise, and do “real reasons” even exist ? aren’t all reasons hiding other reasons and new reasons and aren’t the reason being invented on the spot, or are some been going on for decades ? etc. I forgot what I forgot but remembered what I forgot but forgot if I remembered what I forgot to remember.
    And everyone thinks that there are all different reasons for the same things, but everything is hiding everything, no synchronization here, everything a total mismatch, an embarrassing mismatch and total misunderstanding of all with all ?
    And when you see an item, and then see it slightly differently again, and see it yet differently again in a never ending change of perception, ideas or reason ? all change, vague, and rock solid clear and true…

  423. IxNoMor January 18, 2012 at 6:52 am #

    d00d, you sound like one of those bad translation programs, translating chinese spam into utter douche-bag *SPAM*.
    Really, time for you to poast on your other 3 aliases (and *GHAD* only knows why your IP isn’t banned yet)…

  424. IxNoMor January 18, 2012 at 7:16 am #

    Time for not x-poasting your iHeart philo-bunk bull-shit. Time for talking from the heart, you gutless *WONKER*!!! I suspect you’ll just continue to flood this page with walls of text, from 5 different aliases (including the one that sells the winter coats). PROVE ME WRONG.

  425. bubbleheadMarc January 18, 2012 at 7:19 am #

    I think it’s “wanker”, not “wonker”.

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  426. tegmark January 18, 2012 at 8:19 am #

    Please scroll over the following block of text. But please waste your time boys and girls you all got your “work” cut out for you today…study it all carefully, JHK will test you on it…
    Isn’t it interesting, when you talk to someone who is talking about something, and they are concentrated on that “something”, it is almost as if they are talking to the “something” or themselves, or their capacity to reason, the narrative that they are talking about becomes the real person to whom which they are talking to so to say, they are actually showing off their capacity to reason, as if the person in front is invisible or just a tag or just a design used as an excuse to express a sequence of symbols, a block of text, as if we were all just blocks of potential texts walking around and mixing and matching threads of logic, interacting threads of logic, with a sprinkle of free will possibly “contradicting” some logical threads (but the logical contradiction is always a proxy for a deeper urge to simply beat the other person up, as in man is a fight, or maybe not that extreme, but simply to contradict and approve and mix and match in a never ending vague game of guessing and “we are the same”, or no “we are different on this” and so on, always changing ideas, subjects, issues, a game of interactions, and actions and reactions, the “Human Relationship Game”). But even more interesting is that if the same block of text is output from a pretty face, then it seems to be “more interesting”, it acquires a completely new property; you get confused between the pretty face and the text, but at that point maybe you don’t really care about the text anymore, you are “thinking about” something else, and so on. And how many indirections and thinking about other things can be going on, how many levels away and deep, and lost forever ? and reciprocally thinking of something else, two people or more all talking, distractedly but all thinking of many other things, subtle confusions and mix and matches and changes of perceptions and so on.
    And just one bit, one small mistake, one change in perception and the other person can be digitally put in a category, can be extremely simplified as good or bad, no turning back, nothing you did in the past will ever change the final judgment, that subtle phase transition that that one bit mistake provoked, etc.
    As in when you see another person and that person remains a mystery that kind of ticks you off until he finally opens his mouth and says something and you can finally possibly classify or determine or define what and where in the never ending sea of logical threads he stands, it is comforting to know that you can know where the person is in the “Debate Space”, in the “Information Space”; the space of possible configurations. But it is cool to see so many anonymous thugs in large cities, all mystery, not talking to you or not saying anything, and that is why you feel lost and threatened and so on. A total mystery until some cue, any clue is hinted so that you try to guess what is going on his mind…
    Like when you think about some very complex issue, situation for years and plan and consider and then finally when you reach a decision point you just do something random and throw away years of pondering and meditation and planning. Like when you wanted that car for years, but then, just when you can have it, or just because, from one second to the next, you don’t want it anymore, you completely forget your obsession, nay, you hate it you torture yourself for having “wasted so much time” on that object of desire, and so forth.
    All vague, all change, all weird, no stability here, all odd actions and reactions, always changing perceptions, radical changes in a moment, and the same old “what was I thinking ?” game, when you were never thinking anything because there is no thinking to do, we are just a chain reaction fooling itself into thinking that “it has control”. Constant regrets and torments for an imagined future when there is no future, not even imagined, only wild random pure chance that not even the laws of physics and god himself know what is going on.
    Like when you want to be in another person’s shoes, you imagine that his condition is so much better when in all truth, he is probably even more unhappy then yourself, but you would never know, you just project what you imagine his advantage is in your fantasizing. Like when you want something, but what you really want is the memory of something, so that you can confirm that you had that something (a trip to BRAZIL for example) so you can think that you have achieved, you have obtained what your will power wanted, you want that chunk of memory confirming reality, and better if confirmed by other independent people, but mostly you need a memory confirmation to activate the circuit that has “I am happy”, I did this”, or “I have had this”, or “I have this”, and so on. As if there is something “keeping score”, as if the score will last and is even important. Nothing and no one is keeping score, scores don’t exist, numbers don’t exist, all is a ghost. But we delimit all events within time and by making events pass time we always win and achieve: the goal is to pass time, find ways to be unaware of time, else if you were aware of every second, each second would become longer and longer and we would live an eternity and get bored to death.
    why does a chunk of matter need to know what another chunk of matter is feeling or doing, why do we need to be confirmed, why are we always monitoring how much pain/pleasure another chunk of matter is obtaining, why do we talk and communicate to another independent will power chunked of matter ? to be sure that something has something in common with us ? to feel part of ? but part of what ? part of our own imagination ? our envy ? jealousy, or what ? A chunk of matter wants other chunks to be similar to itself so as to feel confirmed and comfortable and defined, hinged upon something solid, so all the talk, communication, importance of cell phones and Internet, you name it.
    It all goes back to the problem of absolutes and relatives, we want absolutes but the Universe is all relative, hence undefined, not clear, vague, dangerous, iffy, at all times, and our very structure of mind, our very will power, the very structure of Matter and Mass Energy is trying to guess itself, is playing jokes on itself, is playing an obscene guessing game with itself, and always guessing wrong, always being dead wrong on everything. Matter is always telling lies to itself because only lies exist in the Universe, it is impossible to tell itself anything else…
    Wow, what a boatload of drivel, trype and self delusion…

  427. asoka. January 18, 2012 at 8:32 am #

    What big screen? Garbage Warrior can be viewed for free wherever you have access to YouTube
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrMJwIedrWU
    A documentary of a determined fight against government bureaucracy.

  428. lbendet January 18, 2012 at 8:39 am #

    Ozone,
    As you might have guessed Pepe Escobar is one of my favorites and the article on information clearing hs. is a solid one. Thanks for the link.
    It’s all about the oil and it’s all about the global neoliberal agenda. Everything fits like a hand in glove. Flatten the world for transnationals and banks. Shovel more money into the privatized war contractors who can’t get enough of tax-payer money while screaming how much they want to smash big govt., through their crony Republicans. Can’t have that social safety net anymore, now its all about non-stop war waged by the Pax America guys.
    Privatize, Privatize, Privatize.
    It’s always Israel’s fault (our fall guy in the region), having nothing to do with our own agenda in the mid-east and our lust for oil for the big oil companies.
    We are the biggest users of others in the world. Anyone who thinks this is all abut Israel, think again. Yes there’s AIPAC, but who makes them powerful? and Why? Who is really the puppeteer in this kabuki theater? You think our military think tanks haven’t figured out that we could use Israel to look like the heavy? Come on, we should know the patterns by now.
    Just like Newt is trying to make a phoney baloney case that only black people are on food stamps and that’s cuz they’re lazy. No mention of globalism and our jobs bleeding out of this country–oh that. Let’s not discuss. We have a national economy—NOT! But to the clueless among us of which there are many, let’s just say we do and all you have to do is cut taxes.

  429. tegmark January 18, 2012 at 9:02 am #

    Like p*rn, interesting to see the image to instinct converter, why it is so intriguing, maybe because it activates the circuit in between parallel to serial, parallel sense organ inputs associated to a sequential logical path (along with morality, rules, laws, other emotions/feelings whatever). So do we “fall in love” with our instinct, with the image of the pretty, or with ourselves, are we intrigued by how instinct is captured by picture, or something around there. And does a pretty face that talks associate and denote and indirection and symbol to something else ? is the indirections adding up, is everything mixed, along with will power challenges and games, a never ending recursion of guessing games, never to be sure of any outcome not even after 100 years (being sure brings boredom). Why women must be stupid (or pretend to be ?)…
    Like every moment everything must be reconstructed from scratch, every new configuration of bits (in mind and in external reality ?) must be reproduced, a completely new creation, a new big bang, every instant a new universe, who knows what is next…

  430. tegmark January 18, 2012 at 9:05 am #

    On the variable C (being convinced of the reality of something variable)
    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=174981
    “Therefore no stretching of space or black hole travels are necessary to travel in time, only the creation of the equivalent information relationships. It is just as real, as real isn’t defined, real is just how much you are convinced that it is real and since you can never be convinced 100 % of something and not even 0 %, the variable C (convinced) is a number greater than zero and less than 100, then any number is equivalent and equally true.”
    “So there, give me my nobel prize. C, “the degree of being convinced variable” is the real secret, this variable defines reality, you can change it, just assign it, it is done and true. I went to 1950 NJ, and then to 2400 Mars, and they told me this, that is how I learned it. You can also travel in space, as all locations are just a different configuration, so even the speed of light is exceeded. Now go to the other galaxy and come back, and go to 5 trillion years in the past and future, have fun.”

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  431. bossier22 January 18, 2012 at 9:17 am #

    We easily controlled the border in the past. We used a governmental organization known as the army.

  432. tegmark January 18, 2012 at 9:23 am #

    What is the next action reaction between two people encountering, it is the quirk sum of what they remembered of the person, or what they imagine; sometimes a person generates always the same reactions and activates always the same circuits, sometimes it is completely random, sometimes a person is just a standard set of memorized reactions having a standard meaning and region of interaction, a given delimited interaction space only for that person.
    It will be discovered that the real nature of the universe is purely metaphysical: like how will the universe end, what is its large scale structure ? cyclical or just a big bang and then it withers away ? So what difference does it make ? a set of frequencies that interact and match and mismatch to create reality then nothing else.
    So either picture, you end up looking at the whole only metaphysically, nothing else you can do with it, but meditate it from a metaphysical point of view, which mean simply what it means to “us”, that is this very arbitrary, random and fluke design of Man Brain…

  433. asoka. January 18, 2012 at 9:48 am #

    It’s been tried over the last ten years and failed. The Army cannot even control the southern border, even with the help of the Border Patrol and high-tech.
    Macho campaigns, like Operation Hold the Line in El Paso or Operation Gate Keeper in San Diego, and has repeatedly failed to gain control of the land borders.
    High-tech equipment, at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars, has also failed.
    There are not enough soldiers, sailors, and marines combined to patrol the thousands of miles of USA borders.
    Throwing money at the border won’t work. Throwing high-tech at the border won’t work. Throwing the Army at the border won’t work. All your BIG GOVERNMENT military efforts will fail.

  434. budizwiser January 18, 2012 at 10:07 am #

    Yet another week of “patching” up the global fraud. And apparently, this never-ending attention of governmental/financial sector foreplay has some ulterior motive.
    Perhaps all the half-ass, half-baked bond-bailing plans are nothing more than scribblings by the elite on their global whiteboard – sort of testing equations to see how far they will eventually be able to go without arousing the global commoner’s dimly lit spirits.
    Certainly, none of what’s written here has caused any trepidation among the masses. As others have already noted, its time for football, white sales or ski trips.
    There isn’t any resistance – at least none that matters. The situation is becoming dire.

  435. bossier22 January 18, 2012 at 10:10 am #

    They sent a couple of hundred guys down there to make it look like they were doing somethng. Just a show. I’m talking about 30,000 pairs of boots on the boder. It would be more productive than the farting around they been doing overseas for for the past ten years.

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  436. bossier22 January 18, 2012 at 10:16 am #

    It would only fail if they wanted it to. As inept as the government can be, they can move a mountain if they really want to. I saw it first hand after hurricane rita. It was one month after they screwed the pooche during katrina. Didn’t want to make the same mistake twice in one month.

  437. dale January 18, 2012 at 10:19 am #

    My points similar to P2C and Pat Buchanan’s..
    That we cant control the world but we can easily
    control the borders, except the power elite dont want us to.
    ———————————–
    I don’t disagree with that. I think immigration has been too high in recent years for effective assimilation, and that is unfair to the people who already live here.

  438. dale January 18, 2012 at 10:25 am #

    White Nationalists had similar fantasies but we have matured as a movement and now just want our own spaces.
    ——————————
    Vlad, you have your space, that little tear drop single wide outside of Bumjump Idaho.

  439. bossier22 January 18, 2012 at 10:27 am #

    During previous waves immigration, we have usually taken a break from it in order to allow the assimilation process to work. It would be a good time to do that now. Of course it will be much more difficult to assimilate todays immigrants. The cultural divide is so much greater.

  440. dale January 18, 2012 at 10:28 am #

    It’s been tried over the last ten years and failed. The Army cannot even control the southern border, even with the help of the Border Patrol and high-tech.
    ——————————–
    People aren’t ants, if they put half as many troops on the border as they had in one state of Iraq, it would be over.

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  441. dale January 18, 2012 at 10:48 am #

    Of course it will be much more difficult to assimilate todays immigrants. The cultural divide is so much greater.
    ————————————-
    I worked with a group of Buthanese/Napali immigrants for a year, trying to help them assimilate. To a large degree, they didn’t want to. The biggest mistake most immigrants make is not wanting to speak English in the home. Those who will, are successful earlier, IMO.
    It made me question how much my own ancestors, some of which were German, really wanted to assimilate when they first got here. In their case, they were living on farms, so they weren’t always being thrown in the face of a new culture.
    I finally developed a way of looking at it, and expressed it to the Napali’s who loved it and adopted it as their own.
    First Generation: I’m a German, always will be a German.
    Second Generation: I’m a German-American
    Third Generation: I’m an American of German ancestory.
    Fourth Generation: Mommy, where did our family come from?
    I think that’s more typical of how it really works. My mother was third generation and there was still a lot of Prussian in her.
    But, you’re right, about the great differences between our culture and some that are coming here. The Napali’s liked to say “its not different in America, it’s the opposite” I could never put myself in their place, but I can imagine how hard it is.

  442. Rhino January 18, 2012 at 10:56 am #

    Yet you full well know the dire consequences of unrestricted immigration to the US at a time when jobs are being offshored from the US.
    And the consequences are dire for both people immigrating whether documented or not as well as people already resident.
    The only people gleeful are people in the top 1% who benefit from the downward pressure on American wage rates. And you.
    Do you speak for the interests of the top 1%?
    Do you have an interest in seeing people in distress? Does it give you pleasure?
    Do enlighten because your attitude in a mystery to many of us.

  443. bossier22 January 18, 2012 at 10:57 am #

    yeah, i can’t imagine me in their country trying to adapt.

  444. Rhino January 18, 2012 at 11:01 am #

    People aren’t ants, if they put half as many troops on the border as they had in one state of Iraq, it would be over. – D
    Totally agree.

  445. wagelaborer January 18, 2012 at 11:02 am #

    Again, Americans love to think of themselves as the victims. The christians are the worst, always picturing themselves as one step away from being thrown to the lions. 2,000 years of persecution of others ignored.
    Mexicans are the victims of globalization, pushed, as lbendet points out, by the US ruling class.
    First, they’re thrown off their lands. Then, they come here to work and they are oppressed by US agribusiness and other capitalists.
    http://www.foodfirst.org/en/US+Policies+fuel+Mexican+migration
    I get that 99%ers are in the position of having our wages pushed down by immigrant competitors, including the legal ones.
    But to attack our fellow workers, instead of realizing our common enemy, is just ignorant and fruitless.
    As long as the ruling overlords profit from cheap labor, the borders will be permenable from south to north. (They’ve cut us off from going to Mexico without a passport. No more cheap dental care for Americans.)
    It’s actually pathetic to see people calling for the military to protect them from cheap labor. Ha! Who do you think the military is for? Hint: not for you.

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  446. tegmark January 18, 2012 at 11:04 am #

    Can we control what we think ? (and why we ? the generalized chunks of matter that resemble my man brain ? people are all chunks of matter in this philosophy), no we are driven by random, the mind can’t control what it thinks. Self delusion, lie to yourslef, and yet the more you lie to yourself and you know it is lying, the more you delude yourself and feel rage and angry and a sore loser and a pissed of loser, and a failure (this is the new normal) the truer that lie becomes, the more valid, reality is directly proportional to the self delusion, to the intensity of the lie: you can’t do anything else but lie to yourself always. If you can’t get from combination of bits A to C, then associate (a one to one correspondence) that combination to one where you can perform the previously impossible path ( a simpler path F to Y , a projection, a mkae beleive, but then you may not ever be able to do the simpler F to Y, but the original A to C and you hose yourselfagain, go figure) making believe that it is A to C.
    And what reaction can you expect from the encounter with another person (chunked out matter carved into a man brain) ? any reaction, the reaction is unknown not only to that other person, but also your own, you may become indifferent or angry or run away or anything, the other person doesn’t know what reaction to have as all is always a test, a guess, combinations of bits in brains colliding and not knowing at all what the resulting new combinations will be.
    But most likely, near indifference, nothing at all, very little excitement or change, just bordom, no really new thing to guess here. Encounters are mostly huge letdowns because our expectations are always too high maintenance, we are excess expectations aside from excess capacity from the outset. Be letdown, accept total letdown and free your mind.
    And notice how words (or thought aths, picutres, behaviors, whatever) become alive, sometimes as you talk about things, the words become more and more real strangely, they become associated with deeper past feelings/emotions/pain/pleasures even though they are independent and probably have nothing to do with anything at all. That is why we can write the same drivel over and over again and it always looks new, even if it is exactly the same, it is always 100 % new because our man brain and universe has transitioned into a slightly new combination of bits creating a 100 % new creation, new big bang, new universe, infinitely different from anything before, completely new feelings, go for it man, it is all false, man, repeat.

  447. Rhino January 18, 2012 at 11:09 am #

    Adapting is easier the closer the immigrant is culturally. The more backward the country of origin is the more difficult it is for the immigrant.
    I know of one woman in her early 50s whose parents were from a really poor and backward part of southern Europe ie grade school education, retrograde attitudes towards women and girls – that forced her to marry at the age of 16 a man from the old country of the parents’s choosing. The man they chose was much like them, zero education and illiterate. Needless to say that woman had a hard life trying to fit into a modern industrial society while trying to placate parents and husband whose attitudes were from the 1500s. Her life prospects were severely limited by her parents’ mulish unwillingness to open their eyes and see modernity and learn a new culture.

  448. 8man January 18, 2012 at 11:11 am #

    Some corrections:
    Can we control what we think ? (and why we ? the generalized chunks of matter that resemble my man brain ? people are all chunks of matter in this philosophy), no we are driven by random, the mind can’t control what it thinks. Self delusion, lie to yourself, and yet the more you lie to yourself and you know it is lying, the more you delude yourself and feel rage and angry and a sore loser and a pissed of loser, and a failure (this is the new normal) the truer that lie becomes, the more valid, reality is directly proportional to the self delusion, to the intensity of the lie: you can’t do anything else but lie to yourself always. If you can’t get from combination of bits A to C, then associate (a one to one correspondence) that combination to one where you can perform the previously impossible path ( a simpler path F to Y , a projection, a mkae believe, but then you may not ever be able to do the simpler F to Y, but the original A to C and you hose yourself again, go figure) making believe that it is A to C.
    And what reaction can you expect from the encounter with another person (chunked out matter carved into a man brain) ? any reaction, the reaction is unknown not only to that other person, but also your own, you may become indifferent or angry or run away or anything, the other person doesn’t know what reaction to have as all is always a test, a guess, combinations of bits in brains colliding and not knowing at all what the resulting new combinations will be.
    But most likely, near indifference, nothing at all, very little excitement or change, just boredom, no really new thing to guess here. Encounters are mostly huge letdowns because our expectations are always too high maintenance, we are excess expectations aside from excess capacity from the outset. Be letdown, accept total letdown and free your mind. And many people create simply repetitive patterns in their everyday encouters, simplify life, a comforting repetition where everything is perfectly planned, but any slight change may become allarming a threat ?
    And notice how words (or thought aths, picutres, behaviors, whatever) become alive, sometimes as you talk about things, the words become more and more real strangely, they become associated with deeper past feelings/emotions/pain/pleasures even though they are independent and probably have nothing to do with anything at all. That is why we can write the same drivel over and over again and it always looks new, even if it is exactly the same, it is always 100 % new because our man brain and universe has transitioned into a slightly new combination of bits creating a 100 % new creation, new big bang, new universe, infinitely different from anything before, completely new feelings, go for it man, it is all false, man, repeat.

  449. wagelaborer January 18, 2012 at 11:12 am #

    It’s like you said before, they can make us believe anything, no matter how absurd. Or, most of us, anyway.
    Can you picture them giggling away at the Heritage Foundation? “he, he. Let’s blame the breakdown of the entire global economy on the people who bought the $30,000 tarpaper shack and missed 2 months payments. Throw that out there and see if it sticks. he,he”
    And then the Wurlitzer kicks into high gear and people obediently quit blaming pregnant teenagers for their problems, and start blaming poor homeowners.

  450. bossier22 January 18, 2012 at 11:14 am #

    None of the ptb are for the average American. It doesn’t matter which side of the political spectrum they come from, the elites least concern is for everyday people. We all get that, Wage.

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  451. Rhino January 18, 2012 at 11:17 am #

    Personally I’m not attacking the poor bastards that go to the US trying to stave off poverty.
    I’m attacking the asswipes that create the policies that are neither in the interests of immigrants nor the people already in the US ie the 99% that get screwed in this whole process.
    And I’m attacking the asswipes that advocate the same policies. What policies? Not only open immigration but this apparent indifference or support for the gutting of the economy through offshoring.

  452. wagelaborer January 18, 2012 at 11:20 am #

    You know, they say that the unexamined life is not worth living, but in your case, I think it’s the opposite.

  453. wagelaborer January 18, 2012 at 11:29 am #

    Wow, speaking of unbelievable bullshit still being spewed – I’m watching Democracy Now, and they went from Obama telling the Jobs Council that he will support a lowering of the corporate income tax to create jobs, to him telling the King of Jordan that the level of violence in Syria is unacceptable and that Assad must go.
    Wow!. 30 years of lowering the corporate tax, and 30 years of the corporations using that money to move factories out of the country, and still, the same bullshit is spewed, as if there was no proof that low corporate taxes don’t “create jobs”.
    And the violence in Syria is mostly coming over the Jordan and Turkish borders, with western and Arab League-backed death squads coming into Syria and killing civilians and soldiers.
    We are now totally divorced from reality.

  454. anti soak January 18, 2012 at 11:34 am #

    Well lets see….
    Police the borders
    Stop giving citizenship to anyone born here of a non citizen
    End the nitemare of the DREAM Act!!!!!!!!!
    Fine those who hire illegals
    stop the multi billion dollar a year fraud on Foodstamps/EBT
    Close the border with Mexico etcetcetc.

  455. wagelaborer January 18, 2012 at 11:36 am #

    Well, OK then.

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  456. asoka. January 18, 2012 at 11:44 am #

    Personally I’m not attacking the poor bastards that go to the US trying to stave off poverty.
    =========================
    I agree.
    People come here because they think they can find work. Who is employing them? Why are the employers not fined or imprisoned? Why is all the focus on the “poor bastards” who want to work and support their families.

  457. dale January 18, 2012 at 11:49 am #

    Of course, we found a different way to solve the immigration problem….we made it so unpleasant to be here, they no longer want to come.

  458. wagelaborer January 18, 2012 at 11:55 am #

    Because the idea is to divide the working class.
    And, to get US citizens to accept further invasions of their privacy, such as the requirement that we show proof of citizenship to get jobs, on top of the fingerprinting and urinating into cups that are so commonly required now.
    The entire mass of American citizens are being treated not just as potential terrorists for wanting to travel, who need radation and groping, but as potential criminals for wanting to work, to be fingerprinted and background checked.
    We are living in an open prison, complete with vicious guards beating us when we get out of line.
    “Papers, please” used to be an obvious clue that you were living in a totalitarian government, but not anymore. They don’t even say “please” in this version.

  459. daofirry2 January 18, 2012 at 11:59 am #

    Jim, I apaologize if you have already commented upon this… maybe I just missed it. I will have more time this evening to catch up with the goings-on here.
    I just wanted to say, I would be interested to hear your thoughts on the case of mass hysteria afflicting teen girls, in Le Roy, New York. I keep thinking, that seems like the sort of thing that we can expect to see more of, in the years (or is it months? or weeks?) ahead. People will have no rational outlet for dealing with the problems underlying our entire economic existence. In medieval times, they had the Dance of Death. I wonder what the modern parallels to this might be? Maybe it will just be the zombie and vampire mania that we already see everywhere, but it seems to me like it could be much, much scarier, like the uncontrollable nervous tics that these girls have come down with.
    Anyway, it seems like it could be worth a paragraph, in one of your next essays. just a thought.

  460. bossier22 January 18, 2012 at 12:10 pm #

    No one blames immigrants or anyone else for wanting a better life. That’s what I’m looking for. Overpopulation and balkanization lowers the quality of life.

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  461. 8man January 18, 2012 at 12:20 pm #

    Better Nothing or Something ? Better Nothing. Is this all there is to life ? Yes, limit your desires, limit life to a few bits, you will be happier, kill thoughts and memory. Amen.
    There was an error, please correct the text.
    this was the mistake:
    “And notice how words (or thought aths, picutres, behaviors, whatever)
    tihs is the correction:
    “And notice how words (or thought paths, pictures, behaviors, whatever) ”
    from:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177908&start=25
    Can we control what we think ? (and why we ? the generalized chunks of matter that resemble my man brain ? people are all chunks of matter in this philosophy), no we are driven by random, the mind can’t control what it thinks. Self delusion, lie to yourself, and yet the more you lie to yourself and you know it is lying, the more you delude yourself and feel rage and angry and a sore loser and a pissed of loser, and a failure (this is the new normal) the truer that lie becomes, the more valid, reality is directly proportional to the self delusion, to the intensity of the lie: you can’t do anything else but lie to yourself always. If you can’t get from combination of bits A to C, then associate (a one to one correspondence) that combination to one where you can perform the previously impossible path ( a simpler path F to Y , a projection, a mkae believe, but then you may not ever be able to do the simpler F to Y, but the original A to C and you hose yourself again, go figure) making believe that it is A to C.
    And what reaction can you expect from the encounter with another person (chunked out matter carved into a man brain) ? any reaction, the reaction is unknown not only to that other person, but also your own, you may become indifferent or angry or run away or anything, the other person doesn’t know what reaction to have as all is always a test, a guess, combinations of bits in brains colliding and not knowing at all what the resulting new combinations will be.
    But most likely, near indifference, nothing at all, very little excitement or change, just boredom, no really new thing to guess here. Encounters are mostly huge letdowns because our expectations are always too high maintenance, we are excess expectations aside from excess capacity from the outset. Be letdown, accept total letdown and free your mind. And many people create simply repetitive patterns in their everyday encouters, simplify life, a comforting repetition where everything is perfectly planned, but any slight change may become allarming a threat ?
    And notice how words (or thought paths, pictures, behaviors, whatever) become alive, sometimes as you talk about things, the words become more and more real strangely, they become associated with deeper past feelings/emotions/pain/pleasures even though they are independent and probably have nothing to do with anything at all. That is why we can write the same drivel over and over again and it always looks new, even if it is exactly the same, it is always 100 % new because our man brain and universe has transitioned into a slightly new combination of bits creating a 100 % new creation, new big bang, new universe, infinitely different from anything before, completely new feelings, go for it man, it is all false, man, repeat.
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  462. metuselah January 18, 2012 at 12:43 pm #

    oftwominds: You Can’t Fool Mother Nature For Long: Mainstream Media
    http://goo.gl/k4csz
    Excellent blog entry today by Charles Hugh Smith

  463. charliefoxtrot January 18, 2012 at 12:45 pm #

    it took me years to realize that it wasn t the mexican s fault that were taking my job, and seriously depressing wages when i can find work…partly because they are the visible sign of it…i mean, it is natural to hate the messenger, and you can t see a faceless corporation to hate or fight- and when you re trying to make enough money to survive, you aren t that worried about someone else doing the same when they after all are the closest manifestation of the problem…to your point about “papers, please”, i decided in my teens that while i will study for a drug test, even cram the night before, i ll not take one…’Life, Liberty, and the persuit of WHAT?!’ i sure don t like the idea of all the over the top airport security, but already don t plan on flying anywhere, so…guess i ll just wait for checkpoints along the interstate, notsohaha

  464. wagelaborer January 18, 2012 at 1:11 pm #

    Yeah, one of my co-workers was throwing a major CFT-like fit over some obese woman on medicaid that we had in the ER. She was raving about how she had to pay for the woman’s food, and then she had to pay for her medical care, as well as hauling her heavy ass up on the guerney.
    She was going off, and saying “I just don’t know who to blame” and I said “Earl Butz”, and she stopped short. “What?”
    And I started explaining about the change in agricultural policy in the US, and the effect it had on the small farmers in the US and the weight of Americans, and she got all excited, because her husband was a small farmer. I think that I’ve mentioned him before, how first he gave up the corn, because, as she said, he was losing money on it. Well, of course he was. Only the giant farmers make money on it, and only because the government gives them subsidies, not the small ones. As Earl Butz said “Get big, or get out”.
    Then he gave up the wheat, then he bulldozed his apple trees, then he gave up the hogs, then the hay.
    Now he works in concrete and raises a few head of cattle.
    It’s a shame.

  465. wagelaborer January 18, 2012 at 1:15 pm #

    When I moved here, I went 9 years without garbage pickup, because I thought that I could reduce, reuse, recycle, like a good Green.
    Then I got bit by a brown recluse, which I attributed to the bags of recycling in my house, so I got trash pickup.
    Now we run around on Monday nights, trying to fill the trash barrel, or at least put enough in to make it worth hauling to the curb.
    Frequently we just give up, and say, “Let’s give Brian (our trash guy) a break this week”. And we don’t put anything out.

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  466. tegmark January 18, 2012 at 1:40 pm #

    There is a large impedance mismatch (use complex words, make the concepts vague, make it fancy and hard to understand so that it looks deeper than what it really is) between what we expect, how we imagine something to play it (and how the other person, group or machine or whatever imagines and plans how something will play out) and what really happens on the ground: what happens is always random, a fluke, you would never have expected that outcome, etc.
    That is cool,our fantasizing is always just theory and pretty pictures, reality bites back, shows us who the boss is, contradicts us for fun, and all our expectations and plans and what we hope is thrown down the toilet where it belongs: so go on, plan something new, it will never play out like you expect, and even if it did, you would keep on planning new games until you lose, since what we really are all after is the loss, we want to mourn, we want to complain, we want to be unhappy as that defines our steady state (and so we have an excuse to fight back and beat someone up, as an imaginary detached abstract will power opposed our desires) it will never be ok, even if you won all everyday for a trillion years, the last second, the very last one and only loss will cancel all your wins because reality is simply the very present instantaneous configuration of bits and what it means, etc.
    Life is not only not worth analyzing, it is not worth living, we must change how Matter undergoes Experience by changing the Observer, the design of the observer, shove it down the toilet and use the very toilet as a new brain, as in brainium, all could be a potential brain….
    TOBOR AN APE

  467. jackieblue2u January 18, 2012 at 1:42 pm #

    I want to apologize for being rude the other day.
    I just can’t stand to hear Americans putting down our way of life.
    There are FAR more dangerous people in the world,
    and they don’t give a rats ass about anyone other than themselves.
    Period.
    Put your energy to that. Help US.
    Thank You and again sorry.

  468. asoka. January 18, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

    Overpopulation and balkanization lowers the quality of life.
    ========================
    This is another CFN “truism” that never gets challenged. I am here to challenge it.
    Overpopulation does not lower quality of life.
    Look at the population density figures (per sq.km.) for these countries:
    COUNTRY … POP. DENSITY (PER SQ.KM.)
    Netherlands … 402
    Japan … 339
    UK … 254
    Germany … 230
    Italy … 202
    China … 140
    France … 116
    USA … 32
    Higher population density (more people per land mass)does not correlate with “lower quality of life”
    The USA could easier absorb another 300 million and still not have the population density (increasing from 32 to 64) of countries with a better quality of life, countries that have a higher population density.

  469. old69 January 18, 2012 at 2:15 pm #

    Why was I so happy when I was a little boy (and why should anyone give a sh*t ?) ? I could draw my cars and play in the backyard in the suburbs while mommy cooked, I could imagine my science fiction world (back then science was the future, now it is a sin) and I always played around with fake new brains decoding the world in wild fun ways, colorful ways even when I was five years old, go figure. And no one wanted to play with me, they didn’t like my games. And I didn’t like other people, they all sucked for me and still do, why on earth are they different from me ?!?! why and how is this even possible ?!?!? how I hate all their guts and the world’s gut for being not how I want it!!! go figure…
    What happend along the way ? how did I become this sad, sad huge piece of turd ? how did I degrade in time ? who knows…eat, drink and be merry, life is a bitch and god doesn’t exist…

  470. old69 January 18, 2012 at 2:18 pm #

    That should have been eat, drink and be merry, life is a bitch and then you die…
    I have been always challenged the overpopulation myth, for me we can easily handle thousands of trillions of new skyscrpaer buildrs and oldsmobile builders…

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  471. asoka. January 18, 2012 at 2:18 pm #

    Apology accepted.

  472. old69 January 18, 2012 at 2:21 pm #

    I have been always challenging the overpopulation myth, for me we can easily handle thousands of trillions of new skyscrpaer buildrs and oldsmobile builders…

  473. old69 January 18, 2012 at 2:22 pm #

    I have been always challenging the overpopulation myth, for me we can easily handle thousands of trillions of new skyscraper builders and oldsmobile builders…

  474. asoka. January 18, 2012 at 2:22 pm #

    Yes, but you do not provide any hard data from objective, reliable sources on the non-correlation of overpopulation and quality of life. There is no dispute over population density figures and higher population does not correlate with a “lower standard of living”
    You only use trillions and trillions of skyscrapers and oldsmobiles, over and over again.

  475. IxNoMor January 18, 2012 at 3:23 pm #

    Wow, nothing but good news on the stock market! The dow is up again, to 12,575. Anyone think it will actually break through 12,600, all the way up to 13,500? I guessing no, but who knows? Work that black majik!!!

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  476. Alexandra January 18, 2012 at 3:36 pm #

    @ old69 (and your myriad of pseudonymous)
    You ask: *What happened along the way? How did I become this sad, sad huge piece of turd?*
    I’ll take a stab at it… you are heavily afflicted with Asperger’s Syndrome…
    Next up @ Vlad, super frömmler weißen Mannes…
    You’re not going to like Mr. Lucas at all, he turned up at his latest films premiere with his statuesque black American g/f on arm, and this movie is an action packed one, based on fact.
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0485985/
    George’s swan-song project it would seem, the majors will under play it due to the colourful content…
    In this day an age how sad is that?

  477. wagelaborer January 18, 2012 at 3:38 pm #

    I think that many people have responded to some of your ideas in a positive way, old.
    I prefer you to notmommy, that’s for sure.
    Perhaps if you only posted one time, instead of repeating your posts. And when you say that you are going to vomit on the internet, it seems hostile and aggressive. And, of course, your attacks on some women are very offensive. And the long chinese posts and the long chinese translations are annoying.
    But, other than that, everything’s fine.

  478. IxNoMor January 18, 2012 at 3:40 pm #

    Heh, hoarding recyclables?!? About 12 years ago, I spent about 4 hours in the garage, peeling paper labels off tin cans, opening the bottoms, and flattening them. I started with about 20 paper bags full of tin cans from many years. The electric can opener failed during the second paper bag – the manual one I bought (made in USA) still works to this day. I ended up with over 75 pounds of compressed metal, that fit in the little red recycle box (16″x18″x24″ approximately). I bet that might have actually been worth money to a scrap metal buyer…
    You should check with your garbage collector to see if they have different collection programs. I didn’t even know, but mine has smaller garbage cans that would have saved me $3/month, and also have a “call for pickup” deal which is awesome. I guess you could try working with a neighbor to cut it in half, but that would get tricky fast, I’m sure…

  479. Bustin J January 18, 2012 at 3:43 pm #

    Wage said “Wow, Bustin, I’m really surprised at your callous attitude towards mass murder. This is not like your usual contrarian stance towards US culture. On this, you’re falling right into the genocidal mindset of the average American.”
    I went to the movies recently. A long line of people, an assortment of Americans, waiting under warmspotlights, in every conceivable pairing, young punks, old geezers, couples, the working class, the upper class, and the uncomfortable class.
    As the line grew I noticed all the movie posters on all the walls were advertising themes that stated, rather consistently: Dystopia, Chaos, Armageddon, Demonic Possession, Mass murder, etc.
    So here we are, medium tempo soft rock, slowly filing past these images. The movie I saw was about the destruction of the world by a corporate military force. The movie was Avatar. Afterward the human beings were spat out of the movie theater and they scurried to their cars.
    I wasn’t entertained, I was disturbed.
    Wage said, “I yield to no one in my dislike for fundamentalist religion.”
    I think you must agree that I dislike it far more than you do, and for good reason. After all, the penalty for atheism is harsher than for being a woman. I would be killed, but you, merely enslaved.
    “But to say that the victims of fundamentalists should be killed for their own good is a bizarre stretch.”
    I never said they should be killed for their own good.
    “It sounds almost Christian for you to say destroy the country in order to save it.”
    I never said I preferred the country be destroyed in order to save it.
    I read headlines like

    Loggers destroy uncontacted Awá Indians’ camp
    Loggers have invaded the forest home of uncontacted Awá Indians in Brazil. According to unconfirmed reports, a camp where around 20 people were living has been destroyed, and the burnt remains of an Awá child were found nearby.
    also,

    India listens – after a worldwide outcry
    India’s government has promised to crack down on ‘human safaris’ on the Andaman Islands after video footage emerged of Jarawa women being ordered to dance in exchange for food. We first exposed the scandal in 2010, but an undercover audio tape proves that the tours are still going on.

    What’s in your daily news?
    😉
    No, the Schadenfreude I feel about what the US Military might do to the Iranian war machine is relatively casual.
    Like the feeling of Schadenfreude I might have if the tour bus from the above example happened to fail to negotiate a mountain road and tumble off a cliff.
    “Sure, you don’t believe in killing them all and letting God sort them out. You just believe in killing them all.”
    I believe if they were all killed, they should be composted. That is an incidental distinction.
    Lets pretend that I think I am a modern-day Kissinger and I was the ‘decider’- would I feel the same Schadenfreude toward the religious fascists? No, because I would be responsible.
    If I was the decider, I’d suggest we develop a low orbit ion cannon with the resolution and zoom to have complete confidence in strike precision.
    It would be like burning ants with a magnifying glass.
    Old69 is like a broken clock: he’s right twice a day: he says that we should build out a fantastic machine in a massive public project- which we have been doing- building missions to Mars, as well, and even funded a building boom. But lets face it, there is nothing inherently interesting about these things. The $14 trillion US GDP or our massive military isn’t a big enough expense. Too bad Old69/Tegmark isn’t genious with proportionality. Maybe its simple ignorance. I’ll bet he’s never stepped foot inside of a military base.
    Old69 is merely repeating reality: the massive machine is the decades and trillions we have invested in war power. This is America’s main investment. This is the jobs engine. It is the fossil fuel engine, and therefore the economic basis. The legitimacy of America as the dominant force on the planet is inherent in its war power.
    Our future? The refinement of this war machine into a force that no one can possibly stand up to, so that when push comes to shove, the oil flows to the war machine, first. The war machine is why our diplomacy is so powerful. The rest of our society, increasingly since the establishment of the world economy, is secondary, even tertiary.
    Hence everything will grind to a halt during peak oil- if you are in the tertiary or secondary realms in that dependency supply chain of primary energy.
    The military will control and have sole access to primary energy long after the rest of the world has gone “dark”.
    The US military is the continuance of government plan of the United States.
    There is nothing controversial about any of this, except to point out that I feel some Schadenfreude for religious fascists getting blown away by tangling with it.
    In some ways, perhaps Schadenreude is a reflection of our perception on how the universe is supposed to work on a basic level. If you thrust your hand into a fan’s blades you expect something to happed, and when it does, there is satisfaction, especially when the hand is not your own.
    The American military, and the global oil supply chain are like a fan in that they move as a machine. That machine exists in a giant ring around Iran and is closing in.
    All throughout history, we see nations engaging in wars and siege as a war strategy is a proven tactic going back to ancient times.
    It is the privileged position of overwhelming dominance. It reflects post-vietnam awareness of its value. Iraq was occupied for 9 years (officially) but under siege for decades.
    The siege is intensifying. War is already the condition.
    It does come back to oil, but thats natural- it is a primary energy source after all.

  480. lbendet January 18, 2012 at 3:43 pm #

    IX,
    When everything is geared and manipulated fro the Maahket, it isn’t hard to understand why it looks this good on no fundamentals. What do you think Summers and the other Clintonistas were put in place for?
    Everything will look like its coming up roses in the stocks until someone decides it’s time to crash it and bet against it. Ooh what money they can make!

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  481. wagelaborer January 18, 2012 at 3:44 pm #

    Wow, that was really you?
    I just thought that it was someone changing your name slightly, like vlad kramps.
    I still don’t understand what you’re trying to say.
    You think our way of life is decent and sustainable?
    I certainly never heard you say anything like that before.

  482. Widespreadpanic7 January 18, 2012 at 3:51 pm #

    Any of you CFNers a member of the American Hot Rod Association (AHRA)?? Probably not. They have a segment each night on the American Truckers Network out of Cincinnati. Its a call in show for over the road long haul truck drivers. The Dems and the left like to think of themselves as champions of the working class; the truckers calling in all night, blue collar and union, hate your guts, and hate Obamas guts to. I’ve never heard anything like it. I think he Dems got their work cut out for them if they want to represent anybody other than elites in the universities, people on welfare, organized homosexuals, public sector union members, illegals with fake IDs, and anybody getting a free govt. check. But its already been proven that that’s enough to win elections.
    Those AHRA dragsters, 1000 bhp, 0 to 300 in 1 second flat, a quarter mile covered in mere microseconds, consuming barrels of oil in a single run; its hard to believe they’re still in existence. But this weekend outside Las Vegas is the first race of the season and thousands will be in attendance.
    –WSP7

  483. Bustin J January 18, 2012 at 3:51 pm #

    Sorry about the formatting erorrss.

  484. Bustin J January 18, 2012 at 3:54 pm #

    Take a look at
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Drake
    He’s a singer/songwriter who died of a drug overdose in 1974. Had some good tunes.

  485. Widespreadpanic7 January 18, 2012 at 3:55 pm #

    Alright Jackieblue … a gal after mine own heart!
    –WSP7

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  486. wagelaborer January 18, 2012 at 3:55 pm #

    OK, I’m a woman AND an atheist. I’m double screwed.
    As for the rest of your post, I still don’t get how you go from describing the industrial war machine, and its effect on both tribal societies and the ecosystem, to acceptance of such atrocities.
    I can describe the horrific effects of industrial capitalism also. I think that the movie Avatar was an effective illustration of it, and the military fist that makes it possible.
    But the US attack on Iran would involve a lot of innocent deaths, like the usual US attacks on civilian populations.
    The only Iranians I know are atheists. (I know four). And two of them are as militantly atheist as you or I.
    Not that it’s OK to kill Muslims.
    I still am surprised by your attitude, and I don’t think that your explanation was logical.

  487. Bustin J January 18, 2012 at 3:56 pm #

    Old69/Tobor/Tegmark said:
    “It all goes back to the problem of absolutes and relatives, we want absolutes but the Universe is all relative”
    Heres your problem. You are forever mentioning it. You need to get it through your thick ape skull that the universe is not filled with your relatives.

  488. wagelaborer January 18, 2012 at 3:56 pm #

    Oh, wait. I know five Iranians, and the other one is also an atheist.

  489. bossier22 January 18, 2012 at 4:04 pm #

    The countries you site are pleasant with a high quality of life. i guess it is just a personal preference. I try avoid preposterous crowds(ie. nascar or theme parks.)
    I went to a Gordon Lightfoot concert last night at a small venue. There was an enthusiastic but polite audience without any mass hysteria or drama.
    The old methodist philosophy: everything in moderation.

  490. Bustin J January 18, 2012 at 4:15 pm #

    Old69/Tobor/Tegmark said:
    “It all goes back to the problem of absolutes and relatives, we want absolutes but the Universe is all relative”
    Heres your problem. You are forever mentioning it. You need to get it through your thick ape skull that the universe is not filled with your relatives.
    Asoka said, “Overpopulation and balkanization lowers the quality of life.
    ========================
    This is another CFN “truism” that never gets challenged. I am here to challenge it. ”
    You shouldn’t challenge truisms. The fact is that a truism isn’t an argument. You are only substituting an alternative truism. This is logical fallacy.
    Asoka, you don’t give a shit about America, so, let us know how your evangelism to your neighbors in Costa Rica to promote immigration is going.
    You really are stubbornly refusing to accept that most people don’t agree with you- its not that we engage in some kind of delusion. Its not like we don’t have informed opinions. Most of us know what population density is like and we have our own opinions about it.
    America’s population density is one of its special features. You are just a troll, anyway.

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  491. bossier22 January 18, 2012 at 5:14 pm #

    Rough but true Bustinj.

  492. bossier22 January 18, 2012 at 5:22 pm #

    I’m writing a book about my experience in central america. I have only been able to come up with the first two sentences so far.
    “as soon as he stepped outside sweat started trickle down the crack of his ass. ten seconds later he was stung by his first mosquito of the day. ”
    have not been able to get any farther.

  493. rippedthunder January 18, 2012 at 5:23 pm #

    There is a show on weekdays at 5 PM on FOX called “THE FIVE”. Sometimes I put it on while I make dinner so I can jump up and down and scream ” What the fuck is wrong with you people?”. It is a stress releiver. I could watch “Wheel of Fortune” at the same time but the hand clapping annoys me and the puzzles are rather easy to solve. Am I Un-American?

  494. rippedthunder January 18, 2012 at 5:26 pm #

    Sorry, Should have been reliever, I knew that. I before E except after C. Hey I actually got an edumacation in spelling back in the real USA in the 60-70’s era.

  495. asoka. January 18, 2012 at 5:31 pm #

    You are only substituting an alternative truism. This is logical fallacy.
    ================
    No, it is not a logical fallacy when concrete data is provided to disprove the “truism.”
    I have an important point of view to share that is informed. I share my point of view without attacking anyone and provide more than just my opinion. That disqualifies me from being a troll.
    If you dare to challenge my population density facts, cite your sources. Just calling what I say a “logical fallacy” is not an argument.

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  496. Bustin J January 18, 2012 at 5:39 pm #

    Wage said, “OK, I’m a woman AND an atheist. I’m double screwed.”
    Well, no, you’re not in Iran.
    “As for the rest of your post, I still don’t get how you go from describing the industrial war machine, and its effect on both tribal societies and the ecosystem, to acceptance of such atrocities.”
    Wage, I am not a polemicist at heart. There are Atrocities and there are atrocities. The destruction of tribal societies are more of an atrocity because they are more poignant. We all know what is going to happen in the middle east.
    In the conflict between America’s corporate armies and Islamic fascism is a conflict between two great evil powers in which the ass kicking of one or both evil powers represents a net good. The conflict against tribal societies is a lopsided conflict which will surely eliminate the good and preserve only evil.
    Is it clear what I consider the greater atrocity?
    This is playground ethics. You support the picked on underdog and sympathize with them above and beyond the handful of other belligerents on the playground- that defines your ethical position.
    Modern corporate America pretends to sympathize with the victim, but is really picking winners among the other belligerents. More, it generally sees the victim as the deserving party.
    “But the US attack on Iran would involve a lot of innocent deaths, like the usual US attacks on civilian populations. ”
    Your standard of perfection is absurd, but clearly, munitions can be better and more precisely delivered. And that has been the mission of the US military since Vietnam. Its why we spend such a huge chunk of GDP.
    WSP8 mentioned: “Dems got their work cut out for them if they want to represent anybody other than elites in the universities, people on welfare, organized homosexuals, public sector union members, illegals with fake IDs, and anybody getting a free govt. check.”
    Yes, and why not. Are you opposed to stimulus?
    It should be distributed as a dividend, and we should aim to increase it year over year until it becomes a social safety net and guaranteed income. Otherwise, the only thing you’re voting for in the voting booth is more of the same: they take from you and you don’t get jack-squat back, and no one ever houses the homeless, or gets medical care, or the 44 million people that can’t afford food will just have to eat shit and America will go down the tubes even farther than it has.
    A guaranteed income would improve America’s overall quality of life, not the importation of desperate people looking to compete for jobs and resources. Thats the system we’re stuck in for now until people start demanding basic and fundamental rights- new rights. More days in the week. Higher minimum wages. Freedom from having to work, even.
    The more people we liberate from desperate straits the better a society we are. The distribution of wealth is unequal. It is time for a guaranteed income. Its time to rise up and demand something concrete, and real, a vision of America as one that liberates people from having to work at jobs they don’t want to do.
    Why not let “the market” decide among a population of people who don’t have to work as garbagemen? Is it really in society’s interests to force people to work these shit jobs at wages that aren’t worth it?
    What the status quo is afraid of is the price of their garbage collection rising because the wage will rise. Eventually it will settle at a price the new employment market sets.
    Fundamentally we are society that operates under the scheme where everyone is forced to work at jobs we don’t want to do. This is a false incentive.
    It has created an economy filled with jobs of no value to anyone.
    The standard argument against is, If people had a choice, maybe no one would fill the Aircraft carriers, or man the cash registers, or collect the garbage.
    But that is utter bullshit. A guaranteed income would mean more workers available for all jobs- because they wouldn’t be running around, desperately trying to fulfill basic needs, terrorized by not having health care, or the rent paid for.
    Over and above this ‘safety net’ minimum, this “basic benefit” of citizenship, the job economy would still exist, so people could afford all the un-necessary crap: cars, fashions, technology, etc- pretty much like they do now.
    What we have now, at present, is a situation that is intolerable, a system which is broken. A system working only in the best interests of the people with all the wealth.
    So a guaranteed income is a great idea- I believe it can be accomplished. It can be accomplished with a corresponding dissolution of the tax structures and government bureaucracy that supports it. We can have a more humane, advanced, democracy and society by giving up costs to pay the benefits.
    A redistribution of wealth has been occurring and will occur until the people whose wealth is being destroyed and siphoned away rise up to put in place guarantees (rights) against it.
    Its up to us to ask for it, demand it, educate others about it, and agitate for it, with all the enthusiasm and zeal of our ancestors who advocated so successfully for the rights we enjoy.
    We have nothing to lose but our chains.

  497. rippedthunder January 18, 2012 at 5:44 pm #

    Hey O3, Right down the hill from ya and up the hill from me. The ice is really thin this year. I think without modern refrigeration people would be suffering for a nice cold beer next summer!.
    Ice was “cool” years back! I’ve got a pike and a breaker bar but I am still looking for an ice saw! A Stihl works good though without bar oil!
    Ice Harvest — Granville, MA
    February 4, 2012 to February 4, 2012
    Time : Noon-3 p.m.
    42 Water Street
    Granville, MA
    Admission : No charge; donations gratefully accepted
    Come join Dennis Picard of Storrowton Village Museum as he demonstrates and encourages others to take a turn using the ice saw, breaker bar, pike pole and ice tongs to harvest ice the way our ancestors did in the days before refrigeration. For your listening pleasure, Rick Spencer will be performing a selection of songs from his “Historic Songs of American Work and Trades” program during the ice harvestHarvesting natural ice became big business in New England during the 19th
    century. The birth of America’s large scale commercial ice industry began in
    New England in 1805. Frederick Tudor, a Boston merchant, created the first
    natural ice business in the United States. He shipped ice harvested on a pond in
    Lynn Massachusetts to the West Indies. Over the next thirty years Tudor made
    a fortune shipping ice around the world to places like Charleston, New
    Orleans, Cuba, Calcutta, South America, China and England. British records
    show that Queen Victoria purchased some ice from Massachusetts in the 1840’s
    .

  498. charliefoxtrot January 18, 2012 at 5:51 pm #

    gotta call BULLSHIT!! you provided some numbers that don t mean anything…here are some numbers: 20,000,000 here are some more: 0.5, or 1/2 the first # is the approximate mexicans who have entered the construction trades over the last twenty years or so…the second is the impact on payscales because of the first number now i don t know what you do for a living; i and millions like me have suffered immensely as a result…i d say that doesn t quite qualify as “no impact on quality of life”, not by a long shot i know this is not the first time these things have been pointed out to you; that notwithstanding, i still think it is disingenuous at best of you to say something like you did…unless you are willing to admit you are either stupid, and cannot see the obvious result of millions of extra people in a disappearing labor market; or ignorant of how many people in this country work for a living- and i DON T mean data entry and retail management; i said WORK…so please, either talk about religion or something, anything else…surely this is enough of the reaction you must have been looking for, for one day…@wage: how about that for a ‘CFT style rant’?

  499. Bustin J January 18, 2012 at 6:02 pm #

    Asoka said “it is not a logical fallacy when concrete data is provided to disprove the “truism.”
    You cherry-pick your statistics. Your presented “evidence” has no clear correlation. In fact, as stated, your argument is not really an argument but a elaborate falsifiable statement, something in which you argue from discrete particulars in support of a general theory. I am picking logical fallacies out of it left and right.
    That is the first sign of trolling. But I’ll stop accusing you of such, it is fruitless.

  500. bossier22 January 18, 2012 at 6:08 pm #

    My Dad did constuction WORK for a living And I was able to put myself through school alongside him. I would not take anything for that experience. That’s why I blame a traitorous elite on both sides of the spectrum for the demise of jobs and quality of life in this country.

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  501. charliefoxtrot January 18, 2012 at 6:33 pm #

    why does that plan sound so reasonable? for those of us who do most of the work, anyway…i ll tell you though, it s more than i m asking for; i just want enough money to buy a fuckin’ house, maybe a newish truck that doesn t break down twice a year…i m old enough i don t guess i ll get to have kids, but that sure woulda been nice, too the ol’ american dream, and all that…bastards…sometimes i kinda hope it all falls apart, just so i ll get to see some ‘financial wizard’ wearig guccis try to kill some food and start a fire, cook outside, motherfucker, like i ve had to do more than once growing up…guarantee one thing: no matter what happens, i won t be hauling their trash around for em…

  502. wagelaborer January 18, 2012 at 6:33 pm #

    Good work, cft, but I’ve got a immigrant here who’ll do it for cheaper.

  503. wagelaborer January 18, 2012 at 6:36 pm #

    I don’t know, cft, my mom talks about how the housewives on our block loved summer, when the trashmen wore no shirts, and the women could admire their tanned, muscular bodies.
    Just saying…..

  504. rippedthunder January 18, 2012 at 6:51 pm #

    Hi Wage, I worked for a coupla’ years as a “sanitation engineer” in a past life.1972-1975. Maybe I met your Mom then. Do you look like me? HAHA ;o)

  505. wagelaborer January 18, 2012 at 6:52 pm #

    OK, I give up on the war argument.
    I agree that there needs to be a national income, as even Nixon and Milton Friedman agreed in the 70s.
    The government should take the power to create money from the private sector, as authorized in Constitution, which gives Congress the power to create money and regulate its value.
    Everyone in the US unable to work should get a monthly check, created as fiat money, not loaned into existence. I would include maternity leave of two years in this, to encourage people to nuture their offspring. Also, retirement at age 60, any disabled, the mentally ill, all those who end up on the streets now.
    Then the government could spend more money into existence, by paying people to do public works with fiat money.
    Teaching, firefighting, tree planting, health care, home repair (unemployed construction workers could be paid to fix people’s houses), infrastructure building (rails, not roads), sustainable energy production, even the military, as long as it was defensive only.
    The government could loan money into existence, for people who want to start their own business or farm.
    Figure out what we need to live decent lives, and repair the damage to our environment, and then pay people to do it.
    Why have taxes? The government can simply create the money. Our money hasn’t been backed by anything but military might for 40 years.
    No more corporate welfare. Let the bastards live or die on their own.
    No problem, if we’re not tied to them for our ability to pay the rent or buy food. It’s incredibly stupid, anyway, to give them billions in tax money, which we have to pay, in the hopes that they will trickle mininum wage jobs onto us.
    We need money to keep goods and services flowing, but we most certainly don’t need money created as debt, which needs to ever-expand to pay back the interest.

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  506. dale January 18, 2012 at 6:53 pm #

    See where Newt says he’d give Palin a big role in his administration? Whatdaya think…angling for a BJ?

  507. charliefoxtrot January 18, 2012 at 6:54 pm #

    thing the ‘traitorous elite’ (thanks, boss) never seem to realize or care about is, nobody is going to do as good a job; immigrant or otherwise…and on a lighter note, how do YOU feel about tanned muscles? that i have; i think however that i might be a tad youngish for her…(impish leer)

  508. wagelaborer January 18, 2012 at 6:57 pm #

    I wasn’t born 9 months after the summer, RT.
    But we did have milkmen then, also!

  509. wagelaborer January 18, 2012 at 7:01 pm #

    I think that a tan makes muscles look even better.

  510. charliefoxtrot January 18, 2012 at 7:02 pm #

    she d just quit half-way; leaving him with a handjob to nowhere…

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  511. asoka. January 18, 2012 at 7:08 pm #

    mexicans who have entered the construction trades over the last twenty years
    =================
    Did they enter the trades legally or illegally. I was in the Carpenters Union and started out as an apprentice. If that is how the Mexicans worked their way up, you got no beef.
    If they worked illegally, you got no beef with the Mexicans. Take it up with the employers who broke the law by hiring illegals.
    Either way, stop blaming the Mexicans. You and your white kin are not victims. Stop acting like it. Stop your whining.

  512. wagelaborer January 18, 2012 at 7:37 pm #

    According to a fellow traveler, the G8 has not met since Genoa, in 2001, when they killed a protester.
    But this May they are having BOTH the G8 and NATO meet in Chicago.
    What’s up with that?
    Clearly, pissed off people, kept off islands and mountain resorts for the last 11 years, will be storming Chicago by the hundreds of thousands.
    What is the elite plan?
    I am very suspicious of this. Clearly, they’re asking for it. Why?

  513. bubbleheadMarc January 18, 2012 at 7:42 pm #

    Your comments on “fiat” money are interesting. This is an arcane point that has been discussed more in recent years it seems. And of course many more people now are suspicious of the federal reserve and how it was founded at Jekyll Island [sp?]. This is a totally out of left field concept for most people but it is fascinating to think about how theoretically, and perhaps constiutionally as well, the government could simply print its own money. I’ve even seen JFK assasination conspiracy theories which speculate that his assasination was prompted by a proposal to do just that.

  514. wagelaborer January 18, 2012 at 7:54 pm #

    It is treated as an arcane point, which is also fascinating.
    Here we are in the United States of America, in which money is king. Where people will kill their grandmothers for money, where your social status depends on how much you have, where you can starve in the gutter if you have none, and the question of who makes the money? Where does it come from? How can money created by debt be paid back when only the principal is created, not the interest?
    Never asked.

  515. lbendet January 18, 2012 at 7:55 pm #

    Love your economic plan, Wage,
    It works really great in the alternative universe. Ah, the pursuit of happiness.

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  516. wagelaborer January 18, 2012 at 8:04 pm #

    Well, bubblehead is right. More people are bringing up the issue.
    If you read Ellen Brown’s the Web of Debt, she makes the point that the history of the US includes a lot of talk about money and banks, from the Hamilton vs Jefferson debates, the first Bank of the US, the fight over the corporate charter, Andrew Jackson’s fight, the rise of the bankers during the Civil War, the Greenback Party after the War, the populists and William Jennings Byran, and the cross of gold that farmers and workers were being sacrificed on, the making of the Federal Reserve, the entrance into WW1 of the US, to save the bank loans to Britain, the monetary policies of Hitler, the formation of the World Bank and the IMF, the end of the gold standard, and the beginning of the oil-backed dollar, money speculation and the takeover of national sovereignity now going on in Greece, Italy and Benton Harbor….
    Oh, yeah, our ancestors fought the monetary policies of the elite. Now it’s our turn.
    She says that in Kansas, back in the 1890s, there would be hundreds of wagons parked in fields where the populists spoke. Farmers would come from miles around to educate themselves.
    Now we have the web. Maybe that’s why SOPA is being pushed through so quickly. A self-educated people are to be feared by the elite.

  517. wagelaborer January 18, 2012 at 8:07 pm #

    I left out a phrase – the G8 has not met in a city since 2001.
    They’ve met in very out of the way places.

  518. charliefoxtrot January 18, 2012 at 8:35 pm #

    what difference does that make? and to reference an earlier post, i know they re only trying to make it too- i do blame the employers, as well as both govts involved, and people with attitudes like yours…you are part of the problem,too, you know; if only for advocating and agitating as you do…as to your apprenticeship, forgive my incredulity, but can you tell me what a jack stud is? how about cripples?

  519. charliefoxtrot January 18, 2012 at 8:38 pm #

    …before wikipedia comes back up?

  520. ozone January 18, 2012 at 8:48 pm #

    Whoa! Waaaaayy kewl, I done wroted it down and I shall be there, sky-ghosts willin’ and the crick don’t rise! Water St. Hmmm, would that be where Noble and Cooley is? No worries, I’ll look it up in the good book of W. MA cow paths and smuggling trails. ;o)
    Fellow gar-bologist, eh? Damn funny world; I spent about 4 years riding the back of the spoog wagon. Hey, I was a kid; first “real” job, and it was actually kind of fun. (And buff? Holy sheisse, I could lift some hebby t’ings and put ’em back down much lighter. ;o) When they wanted me to drive it took the fun right outta it. Riding the back, we’d RUN between stops, because when the route was done, you were done and the beer quaffing began. Carefree and dangerous days.
    Then, into the construction trades with CFT. Never made much for wages (non-union), but again, enjoyable and gratifying work most of the time. (I could have done without the damn-near freezing to death sometimes, but that’s how she goes…)

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  521. charliefoxtrot January 18, 2012 at 8:50 pm #

    that does clarify…and i agree, about possible motivation, and about sopa…”shudder” scary for sure; figure they re trying to push through in time for occupy spring

  522. ozone January 18, 2012 at 8:51 pm #

    LOL!
    Good ‘un, Charlie.

  523. ozone January 18, 2012 at 9:02 pm #

    Youse’s is hitting the big war-drums now; lots of weird shit going down for the express purpose of “legally” corralling the populace in distinctly Orwellian [and unconstitutional] ways. We’ll have to see how much fight there is between the rock and the hard place when we get there; and we most assuredly will…

  524. charliefoxtrot January 18, 2012 at 9:13 pm #

    i d sure as all get out like to see it too- maybe one of y all could link a video…and wear yer carharts, with maybe some of them chemical handwarmer packs…

  525. asoka. January 18, 2012 at 9:49 pm #

    as to your apprenticeship, forgive my incredulity, but can you tell me what a jack stud is? how about cripples?
    ===============
    I could google it and bullshit you, but I was in the Carpenters Union in a large urban area.
    As an apprentice they basically had me doing concrete form work for warehouses, retaining walls, etc. I wasn’t doing framing or finish work. I was a grunt shoveling, carrying, and driving home double-headed nails that I later had to take out after a pour.
    I worked on big commercial jobs … framing for tilt-ups. If you’ve never done tilt-ups, you haven’t missed anything.
    I lasted two years as an apprentice carpenter and never became a journeyman carpenter. I got out while I still had a back and all my fingers. I did lose a knee … went “pop” while squatting to snap a line. Thankfully, that’s all history now.

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  526. rippedthunder January 18, 2012 at 10:07 pm #

    Yo CFT, I will be there. I will be wearing a red plaid coat like Elmer Fudd and I will have a 4 ft. ice pike. Those crazy Yankees do this every year but I have never gone before. Brandy, anyone?
    http://compare.ebay.com/like/220814405203?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar

  527. charliefoxtrot January 18, 2012 at 10:46 pm #

    sure seems like somebody is forgettin’ that fighting and shootin’ is our idea of a saturday afternoon wingding in these hyar parts, south of the mason-dixon line…them inner cities y all got up nawth are gonna starve out long before we do…hmm, it occurs to me y all got the ammo factories- mebbe a little bartering will be in order: trade ya some cabbage n okra for some .44s…

  528. asoka. January 18, 2012 at 11:14 pm #

    0 … Big Oil
    1 … Obama

    Let’s face it: Big Oil is used to getting its way. But not today… and we have President Obama to thank for standing up to them in spite of the political risk. President Obama has just rejected a permit for the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline, a project that promised riches for the oil giants and an environmental disaster for the rest of us. His decision represents a victory of historic proportions for people from the pipeline’s path and all across America who have waged an uphill, years-long fight against one of the most nightmarish fossil fuel projects of our time. –Robert Redford

    I still give the credit to Bill McKibben and 350.org for forcing Obama’s hand, through a campaign of civil disobedience in front of the White House which resulted in so many arrests and major news coverage that aroused public opinion against the pipeline. The 99% are the clear winners.

  529. charliefoxtrot January 18, 2012 at 11:33 pm #

    ok, ok…sorry about the knee- mine still works; but it does have a permanent *pop* most times it bends under a load

  530. asoka. January 18, 2012 at 11:37 pm #

    Mine locks up, but I have figured out what kind of contortion I have to do to unlock it, so it’s not a big deal, except for the people staring when I’m in a public place trying to unlock it.

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  531. charliefoxtrot January 18, 2012 at 11:38 pm #

    Niiice threads

  532. BeantownBill January 19, 2012 at 1:32 am #

    Bustin, I have to disagree with your guaranteed income thesis. Maybe it will work, but I don’t think so. It’s pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking.
    Giving people wealth just because they exist is the economic version of a perpetual motion machine. I’m not talking morality, just arithmetic. Who gives everyone the money? The government, right? And where does the money come from? From taxes, right? But guaranteed incomes would increase expenditures, and the government would need to increase revenue. Without taxing everything to death, the only way government can give out money is to set policy to create it. Printing money eventually devalues it and leads to destruction of the currency.
    The problem with our economy is that we have created way too much debt. Debt should only be created to increase productivity, not to consume more goods and services. It’s ok to consume more when you have discretionary income, not otherwise.
    We already have free income – it’s called Social Security and Medicare. Unfortunately, it’s only for the elderly. And the government has already spent the retirees’ funds and replaced them with IOUs, while making up any shortfalls from funds contributed by younger individuals who are paying out, but won’t collect until they are elderly.
    Social Security will be unable to make payments by 2037 – and that’s if everything goes smoothly. This system is doomed to fail.
    And if we cannot have a working pension system for the elderly from funds they already gave the government, how are we going to give everyone a guaranteed income? Government stimuli didn’t work in 2008-2010, and won’t work today.
    The ultimate bottom line is that we need national reform from the largest institutions down to the individual. It would take a rebellion of the people that results in the establishment of new social values to accomplish this. Allow a capitalistic-like structure, but punish excess, greed and corruption.

  533. BeantownBill January 19, 2012 at 1:36 am #

    My grandfather was an ice man, delivering ice for iceboxes to the locals around Boston.

  534. BeantownBill January 19, 2012 at 1:49 am #

    Obama rejected the permit because the deadline for it requested by big oil was too short for him to adequately study the proposal. This is not a dead issue, unfortunately.

  535. 8man January 19, 2012 at 3:06 am #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177939
    Troll Alert ! Troll Alert! Warning ignore the following blocks of text, they are a Troll.
    Information Relationship
    Definition of Information Relationship: A set of bits (Observer – Processor) interacting with another set of bits (External Reality).
    A set of bits (particles, atoms ? granular chunks of Matter – Mass Energy as distinct moving independent parts interacting and talking to each other) as delimited and defined and assigned as an Observer (a Processor, a brain, or in our case a Man Brain) interacting, colliding, being conditioned by another set of “external” bits, (but external is assigned arbitrarily, there is no in or out, no observer and reality, just a smooth continuous monolithic slab of Matter fooling itself, making believe that it is something else, or something more than what it is, inventing and forcing self delusional relationships upon itself so as to become alive and produce a state of Experience (consciousness, logic, pain/pleasure, you name it), in other words Matter decided to go out and play while it should be sleeping in bed (aka DEAD)) acting as the external reality, the external physical world, the external constraints of an imagined “absolute” physical world acting as the input to the Observer, furnishing signals through sense organs to confirm an external reality (but I have issues with the concept of external reality, since the relationship is not anywhere, is not in any space or time, in any reference system, it is just reciprocally defining itself and interacting with itself, no absolute reference or background hence, there is no external reality, only interactions).
    So an observer – processor can be any set of bits having any kinds of connections amongst themselves, any hard wired connections between some bits or groups of bits and the external reality can interact with the Observer (the chunk of Matter designated to undergo a state of Experience and Existence (phase transition into Matter becomes Experience ?), since experience must have some slight intersections with some slight and vague identity principles and non contradictions)) through another set of bits assigned the role of input; external reality through sense organs.
    So the possible combinations of these bits, the Observer and the External reality defines all possible ways Matter may undergo the phase transition into Experience. Since the observer can be so many different things and combinations and so can the sense organ inputs in terms of representing the external reality, the number of possible new minds, brains, and essentially Information Relationships is truly infinite.
    Just 800 bits, 100 slots of numbers, representing the Observer set of bits can be in 10 ^ 100 different configurations; and a set of 800 bits representing the External Reality can also be in 10 ^ 100 different possible combinations. And the Information Relationship set, the interaction set, the possible – potential interaction set of both groups of bits can be in 10 ^ 200 combinations of possible Experiences and Event states, event phase transitions. And considering that a Man Brain has billions of bits and so does the external reality, you can see how large the combinational state space can really get; and then considering all of the possible delimitations, possible arbitrarily assigned connections between sets of bits both externally and internally, and all the possible rules in terms of cause and effect, or symbols imposed upon the contraption, sequence of signals meanings, possible emotion/feeling/pain/pleasure states, and other ever higher denotations, and indirections and pure inventions, the more wild, impossible and abstract, the more totally incomprehensible and totally mysterious, the better, you can see that there could be trillions upon trillions (a very small number) possible new minds – brains. so the concept of BRANIUM is correct; everything you see and think and anything at all could be the representation of a new brain.
    I was thinking about death, about time, about how the age of a person, born 1950 died 1998 for example conveys a sense of reference system, inserts the dead person in an abstract comforting absolute reference system, the illusion of knowing where you are, knowing where the dead are since they are delimited by symbols, symbols keeping a numerical score of that set of experiences that matter underwent when it was “alive”. But interestingly the delimitation and reference system is valid only for another mind reading those symbols, inserting them in a system of knowledge etc. It is not valid for the pebble next to the grave, or to any other chunks of matter you see around you, only for those very rare chunks of point like particles considered alive and conscious and considered Man Brains. But then what makes that different from any other arbitrary make believe invention ? If it weren’t arbitrary and make believe all particles of the universe would have to be alive and know what those numbers mean, the system would have to be an absolute reference system but this is not the case. So all of our reference systems are make believe phony constructions, hose them they are all telling us lies and make believes.
    Parallel time dimensions, partial delimitations, multidimensional space, wildly contradictory logic, the goal is to lose yourself and all reference systems and not find yourself anywhere. Even just two bits are infinitely far from each other, totally non related, we force a relationship and look at them as one, as being something but they are both lost forever and infinitely far away from each other and completely disjoint.
    Wow, and who on earth is so insane to actually read that huge pile of drivel, trype and self delusion…?

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  536. old69 January 19, 2012 at 4:12 am #

    6:52 to wagelbr:
    “I agree that there needs to be a national income, as even Nixon and Milton Friedman agreed in the 70s.”
    God punishes you by making your dream come true. You don’t know what you are wishing for.
    You never know how things could play out even if you did all I wanted. it could turn into a hell anyways, everything is unpredictable.
    I think that that would be the wrong way to do it: you just can’t bluntly say we will give out free money: you must first create large projects and goals most of the society would approve of, a large mass transit (public – private ?) BUS system that could involve alot of different companies, people, internet, software whatever. Next a large buildings program creating many different kinds of new building all over the USA, construction is good, it increase the amount of wealth in a society by lowering the cost of a basic need, houses and real estate and space for offices, etc. Next, fire the imagination of the young, start a goal of Man on Mars by 2020, you get the idea. Next set up a government (and state and local run) health care system that has most of the basics, it may not be top notch but should do most of the job people need, if you want better, more etc. good, pay for your own private health care, nothing wrong with that, etc.
    And after, in the background, silently, without anyone noticing it start a very gradual different kind of welfare system where cheap health care and a small free salary and cheap rents can be gradually introduced.
    Will it ever happen ? NO. Why ? because people are too conflictual, ideological, right against left, stereotyping everything, simplifying everything…
    1:32 To BeanBill:
    “my is that we have created way too much debt. Debt should only be created to increase productivity, not to consume more goods and services.”
    But what is money if not more exchanges of goods and services ? So you are dead wrong, debts actually means the need to consume ever more goods and services, so much more that there is no way that saturated western economies can do it anymore as they are all full of all of this BS.
    What is productivity ? oh, you mean producing the same with fewer workers ? finding ways to produce more with less inputs ? right ? and that means somewhere down the line fewer jobs. I don’t remember how many times I heard this BS of “productivity” (which no one really knows what it is and how to define it, because it is one of those abstract words that are supposed to justify firing people, restructuring and all in the name of some metaphysical entity that is undefined or defined as anything you want it to be). It really simply means increasing profits by using fewer workers, end of story.
    I am sick and tired of people repeating all of the Standard Economic ideology that means nothing, is undefined, no one knows what they are talking about, there is no clear cut concrete example and understanding of how these words really map onto real day to day life etc. the same old “Productivity”, “Innovation”, “Startup”, “Small Businesses”, “Competition”, “More Education”, “New Skill Sets”, you name it BS that hasn’t provided anything to anyone in years…except huge profits to the 1 %.

  537. old69 January 19, 2012 at 4:15 am #

    God punishes you by making your dreams come true.

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  540. 8man January 19, 2012 at 5:25 am #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177939
    Scroll over these blocks of text.
    The entire idea of a parallel universe is not even important since the Information Relationship equivalent to visiting a parallel universe can be assigned and imposed upon matter by the exact same configuration of set of bits that that event would have onto a machine (the Processor ? Observer ? the Man Brain ?) that executes pure Information Relationships (the substrate of the machine and the bits is irrelevant, just the relationship is relevant). So it is with space travel and time travel, you can visit anything simply creating the exact same combination of bits corresponding to the equivalent experience.
    And as a corollary this demonstrates that space and time is irrelevant, there is no external world since the sequence of configuration of bits that transit from point A to point B can be a sequence of different pictures in time, or space, or any other sequence of pictures defined according to any other kind of rule of transportation, even completely new kinds of transits from a picture to the next, not only through time and space, but through X and Y and invent another trillions of new dimensions, transit paths, transit rules (any sequence of pictures can be mapped upon new transit rules and properties, just because) defining new imaginary “external dimensions” hence external worlds, so then we go in the opposite direction, not only does an external world exist, but a hyper external world exists even compared to the standard external world, and so on, hyper hyper external worlds constructed upon the basis of the rules of transit arbitrarily assigned and equivalent to physical dimensions or analogous to physical dimension of extensions like space and time, etc.
    Corresponding correspondence of bits.
    Words are tags, a set of tags is a thought, concept, meanings, but words can be associated to any delimitation of bits (and notice we don’t use the words particles or electrons or atoms, as it doesn’t matter how matter is subdivided, or how many subparticles may be discovered, a bit is simply a small chunk of matter); but the bit itself can be a macro item, a story, an event, anything, and anything can be defined within and as a part of or being part of anything else. Reductionism no longer applies, something is not composed of something else, or associated with something else, all is just put in a bag, a bag of tags that can be read in any sequence at all, or in parallel, or partly parallel and partly sequentially, you name it. So the composition of a denotation of an indirection doesn’t necessarily have to be a sequence of symbols, but a set of tags, like reading a trillion page book in a jiffy, in parallel, etc. Now, what did I want to say ? I don’t remember, or maybe I didn’t have anything to say ? And why does it matter if some other chunk of matter reads this drivel ? why must something be confirmed in another point of space and time by another observer ? is matter not sure of itself ? does matter need ever more security to really believe that it is valid in more than one mind, that a multitude of Observers, observing and decoding the same or similar things is more comforting for matter that decided to go out and play ? Or wouldn’t it be more comforting if every observer was completely different and totally disjoint form any other, a multitude of Information Relationships not communicating.

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  541. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 7:28 am #

    So, when Big Oil says “Jump!”
    Obama does not say “How high?”
    Obama went against Big Oil and against Unions in killing the Keystone Pipeline.

  542. charliefoxtrot January 19, 2012 at 7:41 am #

    whoo boy, i sure hope we don t follow the japanese growth model…the central bank of japan is forecasting 2% “economic growth”, due to the expenditures associated with rebuilding after the tsunami and the cesium fountain…i feel more than a little sorry for the citizens; it is high time the entire governmental apparatus, along with the investment usurers and executives of tepco embrace a little of the old fashioned honor system- hint hint- it involves asking forgivness of their ancestors in “person”…

  543. charliefoxtrot January 19, 2012 at 8:01 am #

    all of the unions were not in support…and it may not be a mortal blow; we ll have to see if it was an election year stunt i was watching bbc this morning, and saw a brief image of the tar sands operation for the first time…obscene

  544. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 8:04 am #

    Final GOP Certified Iowa Vote Count
    Rick Santorum – Final total: 29,839
    Mitt Romney – Final total: 29,805
    I’m not a mathematician, but it looks like Santorum won Iowa, not Romney.
    Most people think Romney won.

  545. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 8:09 am #

    Election year stunt?
    To go against the big money donors who give support in elections is a stunt?
    How is pissing off big donors an election year stunt?

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  546. Madcat January 19, 2012 at 8:17 am #

    Iran’s stated focus on domestic nuclear energy production (in order to sell extra oil, excess to domestic requirements) would explain why no inspection has yet turned up weapons grade uranium (or any solid indicators that Iranian enrichment is trending towards weapons grade).
    Meanwhile US ground forces are being kept busy chasing shadows in Af-stan until they can be employed in the end-game oil grab, citing Iran’s nuclear intentions as cause to invade.
    As BusJ said “The (US) military will control and have sole access to primary energy long after the rest of the world has gone “dark”.
    The US military is the continuance of government plan of the United States.”
    To be sure, the energy source at the centre of the Iran storm is not the type that makes things glow in the dark…..

  547. 8man January 19, 2012 at 8:23 am #

    Please, Scroll over the following blocks of text.
    slut says:
    “You ask: *What happened along the way? How did I become this sad, sad huge piece of turd?*
    I’ll take a stab at it… you are heavily afflicted with Asperger’s Syndrome…”
    No, I think it is more like “Obsessive Compulsive” forcing me to write this huge pile of BS (along with other broken gears in the Man Brain…); but anyways, that is the point, who defines “Normal” ? even if a thousand trillion people (point like chunks of matter spatially and temporally separated, but acting as mostly one vague entity of sets of thought paths, communication channels between, inside, and in between the inside and outside the points, interacting with other more invariant and will power free chunks of matters (the buildings, mountains cars…), amongst (and inside each point like Observer and amongst the points, etc.)) all reach a consensus on what the normal set of patterns of behaviors and patterns of interaction between people are, who says that it has any value or worth outside what they ARBITRARILY DEFINED ? And then, as you see you go back to the modified brains problem, the absolutes and relatives problem: which brain design is the reference system, the ground state, the point zero upon which all other brains must be measured and compared to and defined ? which is reality and which is a test, a “fake brain” ? neither of the two different brain designs can declare themselves the absolute reference system, hence all is arbitrary, hence there is no “Normal”.
    And it is also very easy to define any behavior or pattern that is not within a statistical range of make believe and arbitrary patterns that a society, civilization but more correctly a tribe decided was the “norm” as a “sickness” needing to be “cured”.
    And very convenient for doctors and health care creeps making money by saying you are “autistic”, you are “this” and you are “that”, etc. and since you are outside of the statistical average you “must be cured” and pay me money for this.
    And even more interesting is, when you see those very crazy people in crazy houses, those that have very different and frightening behaviors, how hard it is to look at them, how much a punch in the stomach those behaviors appear; they make you feel bad (and imagined “bad for them”?). But what is really going on is we are seeing a small glimpse of how very arbitrary the world is according to our definitions of normal brains, how all can change if the man brain is working differently, all of our security disintegrates, all of what we think is objective shows its subjective and variable face: once again there are no absolutes but only relatives.
    A man brain is definitely the most artificial and less spontaneous contraption you can ever think of: as soon as you think and start to know other people think, and think like you or similar, you enter the infinite loop of I know you are thinking that you know that I am thinking that I know that you are thinking about this and that, and our interaction, and I can see through you partially, and I can partially guess or try to guess what you are trying to guess what I think, and I will act according to how I imagine you could judge me, knowing that the judgment could change in a jiffy if I do something that may be slightly wrong, but I can’t know if it is wrong, since you may give me trick clues to make me make a mistake, and then make fun of me, but I can do the same, but then I can get confused and not be sure if the joke is on me, or you, or this or that and I can never really know where your thought paths are going and if there is an intersection with mine, if I can use you or you can use me, but then I do (or don’t ?) want a dependency on you, but so do you, but then the next moment you are completely indifferent to me, or vice versa, I want to simply beat you up, or you want to me, but I want to condition you, but then I don’t and you don’t want to condition me, but you are conditioning me anyways and all we do does the exact opposite of what we thought we wanted, but we changed our minds, etc…
    So given how fake and artificial a standard Man Brain is, any other design is just as real and maybe more authentic, less artificial, less problematic…
    A deep infinite recursion of reciprocally conditioning imaginary minds (and even if they are not present as the internet shows, they can be thousands of miles away, invisible and not even existing) that become real in our mind because we know that there is some point in space and time where a real similar mind is operating…
    Wow, what a blog hog I am ! That is not good manners now is it ? That is not good behavior ! Hey alexandra, slut, did you build me my trillions of skyscrapers and oldsmobile ninety eights ? why didn’t you ? why did you disobey me ? please, pretty please build me what I demand…you whore get vlads black d*ldo and use it too, you horny bitch…Now crack open your skull, shove a jet engine in it, you will enter a new universe…
    And notice how we can keep on writing this BS forever, the blocks of text never end, the nature of language is to be able to say similar things over and over and over again but seeming like they are saying slightly different things, that look always completely new, so strange, go figure…I hope, I really hope I run out of BS to post here, tell me it has all been said, all has been said, pretty please ?
    TOBOR THE EIGHTH MAN

  548. DeeJones January 19, 2012 at 8:24 am #

    “Who gives everyone the money? The government, right? And where does the money come from? From taxes, right? But guaranteed incomes would increase expenditures, and the government would need to increase revenue. Without taxing everything to death, the only way government can give out money is to set policy to create it.”
    Have to disagree with you here (what else is new ;))
    It ALSO depends on how the government prioritizes spending. On this side of the budget, there is plenty of room for redirecting expenditures towards a “monthly stipend” or what ever you want to call it. Who about a federally guaranteed rent support program?
    For one thing, there is HUGE room in the millitary & “intellegence” budgets, if anyone would develop the balls to call out and make those cuts.
    There is also huge waste in the IRS. By eliminating taxes on those making less than $75-100K/yr, a huge section of the IRS budget could be reduced, with enforcement focused on the wealthy & corporations.
    On the revenue side, there is much room for improvement by simply eliminating all the exemptions & deductions on Corporate income taxes, and instituting a progressive rate. There are multi-billion dollar corps that pay NO taxes at all.
    There are also mulit-billionaires that pay little or no taxes at all. Just look at Romney, he has admitted that he pays only %15. Less than some people on Social Security pay now.
    So it IS possible for the government to ‘take care’ of its people without bankrupting itself or debasing the currency. Its just that the moneyed interests have hijacked it to their own ends, not the general good of the people as a whole.
    “The problem with our economy is that we have created way too much debt. Debt should only be created to increase productivity, not to consume more goods and services. It’s ok to consume more when you have discretionary income, not otherwise.”
    I agree with you here, but try telling the Republicans that, “debt doesn’t matter” they will tell you, because their (& the Democrats) special interests profit off debt.
    😉

  549. 8man January 19, 2012 at 8:44 am #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177908
    From:
    http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/01/what-gives.html
    Unemployment Solved !
    If we get all 7 billion people in the world to read all of my posts all day long over and over again for a trillion years, well finally unemployment will have been licked, no unemployment here anymore, it has been achieved, an age old complex, intractable social – cultural – economic and political problem has finally been solved once and for all!
    Finally, everyone in the world has a clear cut productive task for them, they finally have a clear cut goal, they can finally all work and achieve by my simple solution!
    Wow, and people are always thinking, and examining, and trying to figure out, and we now have thousands upon thousands of blocks of text trying to explain the complexities of the economy, what is wrong, what must be done, who’s fault it is, this and that, money, OWSers, tea party, Europe, JAPAN you name it.
    When all along, the solution was staring right in everyone’s eyes: the very blocks of texts themselves, just let everyone worldwide read them over and over again forever, for 8 hours a day and give them a free salary and cheap rent. It has finally been solved.

  550. Alexandra January 19, 2012 at 8:57 am #

    Re: Garbage Warrior
    It’s a testament to the self-imposed ‘inertia’ caused by complex politics and senseless bureaucracy… and his flat bed runs on the collectives home made biodiesel…if you cared to watch the end credits.
    I found maverick architect Michael Reynolds ‘story’ very uplifting and right on the money, defo as 2012 is supposedly the year of anxiety ridden mayanistic doom and gloom. And ‘wow’ what a beautiful person in every sense that legal-eagle bill analyst Renni ‘Zee’ Zifferblatt was… the only ‘light’ and way through the baffling Kafkaesque mire of the senate committee…
    (Many thanks for the whole film link, I really enjoyed it Asoka)
    Its quality info like this which does give me the will to wade across the acreage of type drivel, oft continually repeated and uploaded here on CFN… by adult folk whom should really know better, people that are so crassly lacking in manners or personal emotional intelligence which means they really are (a) simply nuts or (b) just paid for shills briefed to debase the writings of JHK.
    But thinking and critically doing ‘different’ is the only key to future success, no matter what century or what the combination of particular people, skin colour, class or creed… in charge or otherwise.
    (I wonder if there’s an opening for me down in New Mexico?)
    Toodle-pip

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  551. DeeJones January 19, 2012 at 8:58 am #

    8man: You must be in California, and you must be smoking some of that ‘Medical Maryjane”.
    Now, that is some serious strong medicine.
    Care to Share? 😉

  552. charliefoxtrot January 19, 2012 at 9:16 am #

    going by what it looks like: say “no” now while the electorate is watching and protesting, while leaving the option open to say “yes” later…according to bbc, he hasn t denied the possibility; only put it off until it can be ‘thoroughly studied’…like i said, we ll see…

  553. 8man January 19, 2012 at 9:22 am #

    Troll Alert! Troll Alert! Please ignore the following post. Please ignore all the posts from me. Please erase all the posts from me on the Internet.
    There is always one last idiotic concept that I forgot to say. Ah Shucks, when will it end ? There will always be one last concept that has not been said, why do the concepts never end ? please make them end, pretty please…
    Like when we think of an item, person, situation, whatever and that thing becomes more important for us than it is for itself, like when we think of something and we actually become that something (don’t we always become 100 % what we think ?). We think of item A and that item becomes more important for us than it would ever be for item A itself, nay, item A probably completely ignores itself, doesn’t even know that it is the object of so much obsession and thought, would have never guessed. And why should another chunk of matter become important for a given chunk of matter ? why do chunks of matter want to be other chunks of matter, why to switch places ? because they imagine and construct a completely falsified fairy tale, greatly exaggerated on how “much better” the other chunk of matter is undergoing the phase transition of Matter to Experience. And isn’t communication always a set of symbols targeting imaginary minds ? generalized imaginary potential actions and reactions (but totally unpredictable, not even for itself, not even the mind (or minds ?) itself can ever know what it will do!) according to how the neural circuits of a given mind has been programmed (throughout the personal history ?) as a reply to symbols…
    And then, as soon as we think of anything, consciously, doesn’t that anything become everything, don’t we become exactly 100 % that item we are thinking about ? So strange, we become the contents of our thought, the Matter to Thought Converter, we become our concepts…but remember that I use “WE” only as a proxy to mean “I” or “IT” or “WHATEVER”, since it is a simple device to represent the generalized contraption of similar thinking Man Brains.

  554. charliefoxtrot January 19, 2012 at 9:25 am #

    besides all that, it seems if “they” can print money to flat give to the investment usurers without triggering inflation & collapse; why couldn t they do the same thing for the rest of Us? i mean, really, doesn t it make sense for the traitorous elite to keep the population from having nothing- and by extension nothing left to lose?! Rome, anyone?

  555. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 9:46 am #

    Con mucho gusto, Alexandra!

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  556. 8man January 19, 2012 at 10:02 am #

    Nonlinearity is the name of the game: in all areas, endeavors, in all social relationships, in all things you may think, what you think is probably cause and effect, may be the exact opposite: for example the more I do A the more I will get B, when in all truth most probably the exact opposite is operating, the more you do A the farther away from B you get (especially when two dating people interact ?) (only maybe to have B immediately occur when you least expected it ?) and so with reciprocal minds interacting, what is stable becomes always more stable and excludes a large number of possible new behavior and interaction patterns; until maybe, when you least expect it, the linearity shows up all of a sudden (was it hiding behind a nonlinearity ? or were there many layers of linearities hiding behind non linearities and so forth ?) or a completely new nonlinearity may become operative, or maybe, no you were right, it is the same old, same old linearity operating, hard work brings more wealth for a society for example, and flowers will always buy a lady’s heart and such huge BS.
    But the entire endeavor of constantly explaining things, analyzing, trying to figure out the “laws that are operating”, the “illuminism”, “positivism”, “reason will set you free” myth is based on determinism, thinking that reality can be understood, controlled, constrained within a set of laws and manipulated. Nothing further from the truth (always this same idiotic sentence, when all I say is always all wrong, go figure), everything is random, pure chance, a quirk unpredictable. Therefore all of the above is totally false and everything is completely predictable, crystal clear.
    Everything is linear, predictable and if you predicted wrong you are simply a loser, a sore loser…
    Ignore this troll, all the information he furnishes is false, all he says is wrong and the opposite of all what he says is true…

  557. Rhino January 19, 2012 at 10:23 am #

    You haven’t answered my questions so I’ll repeat them:
    “Do you speak for the interests of the top 1%?”
    “Do you have an interest in seeing people in distress? Does it give you pleasure?”
    Do tell, we’re waiting.

  558. wagelaborer January 19, 2012 at 10:36 am #

    We already give money to some people without their working. It’s just that it’s created by debt, instead of just being true fiat money.
    I did say that the government should pay for actual work. Just not skyscrapers, when we already have millions of empty houses. And not going to Mars, when we have limited oil.
    Productive work, that will help the environment and the people that live here.
    And you are absolutely right about the bullshit that people parrot without thinking.
    Productivity has risen since the 70s, remarkably, especially with computers, which wiped out whole rooms full of people with slide rules and balance sheets and inventory pages.
    And small business worship is the code phrase for massive giveaways to big business. Yes, we are going to give tax breaks to WalMart and then they will hire more people. Bullshit.
    Wages are deducted from profits before taxes are calculated. They could hire many more people and just deduct their wages, but they don’t. That is just one more piece of bullshit that unthinking people swallow.

  559. wagelaborer January 19, 2012 at 10:43 am #

    asoka, Obama did not permanently stop the pipeline, he postponed it until after the election.
    That would be the very definition of an election year stunt.
    He said that he would veto the indefintite military detention bill, but he signed in into law on New Year’s Eve. Very sneaky.
    He also approved three more Monsanto GMO products that will further destroy our environment, without much publicity. He did that between Christmas and New Year’s.
    http://www.foodfirst.org/en/GMO+Corn+and+Soy
    Obama says whatever the peons want to hear, and then does what his corporate overlords tell him to do.

  560. wagelaborer January 19, 2012 at 10:46 am #

    You got that right.
    There will be no massive oil drilling project in the US to fill the tanks of the masses.
    The four wheelers will go quiet.
    But if the military needs it, it will be done, destructive or not.

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  561. ozone January 19, 2012 at 10:52 am #

    …The denial of the permit application doesn’t preclude any subsequent permit applications for similar projects, according to the State Department’s statement.
    ******************************
    Okay then, sounds like the game is still afoot to me.
    IMHO, the prez’dint has been taking a lot of heat lately for being the tool of the 1% (which, of course, he is), and a [temporary] denial of a permit for a boondoggle was a pretty easy piece of legerdemain that diverts attention from all the other very nasty shit that’s been signed into “law” of late.
    I think we might look into the EROEI of the tarsands in the first instance. It’s a naked INVESTMENT BUBBLE people, just like the whole fucking fracking farce and fiasco! This is nothing but fraud on a massive scale. (I’m a little amused that this point is conveniently glossed over, but maybe there’s a good reason for that, eh?)

  562. ozone January 19, 2012 at 10:57 am #

    BTW,
    Don’t think the squeezing of the internet pipeline in service to the 1% is going to be signed into “law”? Just watch; do not become distracted by temporary/meaningless pronouncements from the servants of the wealthy and powerful (the federal gum’mint, in case you hadn’t guessed)…

  563. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 11:00 am #

    You already know the answers to those questions, Rhino. Ask a sincere question.

  564. wagelaborer January 19, 2012 at 11:05 am #

    Although Nicole Foss, on that radio link that someone provided last week, said that she didn’t think that the pipeline would ever be built, due to the massive use of natural gas to melt out the oil. (Is that what EROEI is?) I believe she said that the gas would run out before the oil was extracted.

  565. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 11:13 am #

    Wage, Obama is being criticized by Newt for the decision as being against national security and against job creation.
    Newt gives the reason I gave, except instead of giving credit to Bill McGibben by name, Newt says Obama is “capitulating to the radical environmental fringe” … so Obama is being blasted by the right and by the left for the decision not to go forward NOW, TODAY, with the pipeline.

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  566. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 11:16 am #

    If that is Nicole’s position, I am in agreement.
    This was no “election year stunt” nor was it a delaying tactic with the intention of building it later.
    You are right about the EROEI, Wage.
    The pipeline is DEAD. It will NEVER be built.

  567. Rhino January 19, 2012 at 11:34 am #

    “unless you are willing to admit you are either stupid, and cannot see the obvious result of millions of extra people in a disappearing labor market; or ignorant of how many people in this country work for a living” – Charlie letting Assoka have it
    Good job Charlie. Assoka comes across as a malicious little prick. Hate stands out on him like beads of sweat.
    And then his crack about your “white kin”. What was THAT about? Imagine the fucking gall for presuming to know better than YOU what you and your kin are going through.
    And imagine if the comment had been directed to someone black ie you and your “black kin” should stop complaining. Be grateful for what you have black man. How would THAT have come across. POS racism if you ask me.
    Maybe someone should remind Assoka that this immigration issue isn’t only a racial issue, it’s a CLASS issue. Unless you’re in the investor class you’re getting fucked. People come into the country, jobs go out of the country. Progressively, year after year, decade after decade, prospects are getting worse and worse for the majority and that includes white people.
    And maybe someone should ask ASSoka about the prospects for black people when the labor market expands and expands and expands all the while that jobs get offshored.
    What about it Assoka? Give us your take on this. How is it for black people? Liberally salt your answer with learned references. Tell us how great unrestricted immigration combined with offshoring is for native born black Americans. I for one need a good laugh this morning.
    Two generations ago uneducated immigrants could get decent paying jobs. No more.
    Why the fuck the “big hearted” Assoka would support MORE people coming is beyond me. He knows full well the consequences for all involved. The only ones benefitting are the people at the top. And he would know this.

  568. wagelaborer January 19, 2012 at 11:38 am #

    Why, yes, cft, you have nailed it on the head.
    Anyone capable of independent thinking should had looked at the quick handing out of $16 trillion dollars to Wall Street and known thereafter that when they say that they can’t afford teachers, or health care, or Social Security, they are lying.
    $16 trillion is far more than any other program costs.
    Especially Social Security. Anyone who parrots the corporate media line is willfully ignorant, or just too stupid to understand explanations.
    Social Security was a direct income transfer for the first 50 years. It is a separate deduction from the federal income tax.
    When Reagan cut taxes on the wealthy, he announced that the Baby Boomers, and only the Baby Boomers, needed to prepay their retirement. They needed their payroll taxes increased, and put into a trust fund, to be used for the Baby Boomers retirement, and then we would go back to the old direct transfer system.
    Now, they tell us that the US government doesn’t need to pay its debt to its citizens, although they insist that the US government must pay all other debts.
    Now they tell us that the trust fund will run out in 2037. Yes, it was supposed to. Then we’re supposed to go back to the way we did it the first fifty years, with the currents workers paying for the retirement of their forefathers in return for the security of knowing that they will in turn be taken care of.
    Anyone who parrots the ruling class line that “we” can’t afford to take care of our own citizens is the kind of person who still insists that the Emperor is wearing the best, most beautiful clothes they’ve ever seen, long after the child points out that he’s naked.

  569. Rhino January 19, 2012 at 11:42 am #

    It IS a sincere question.
    You explicitly support policies that are disastrous for the vast majority. And that includes both immigrants and non immigrants.
    Why?
    And don’t fucking tell me that your answer is irrelevant, that nobody listens to Asoka (as you refer to yourself). You have a lot of fellow travellers, who give full throated support for open borders, who apparently revel at the sight of impoverished families in America.
    Do you speak for the interests of the top 1%?
    Do you have an interest in seeing people in distress? Does it give you pleasure?
    We are waiting. Or at least I am.

  570. wagelaborer January 19, 2012 at 11:44 am #

    That is Kabuki theater, asoka.
    The right wing postures and announces that Obama is a socialist, then Obama gets to look as if he’s standing up to them.
    I can’t believe you’d fall for this.
    If ozone is right, and it’s not about oil, it’s about speculation, then Obama will approve it next January.

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  571. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 11:53 am #

    You explicitly support policies that are disastrous for the vast majority.
    =====================
    What evidence do you have for this claim?

  572. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 11:56 am #

    We’ll have to wait until Feb. 2013. If we are still here, I’ll remind you that the pipeline is still dead.
    You can call it Kabuki theatre. I call it a victory for the 99% and for our environment, and I give nonviolent civil disobedience the credit for the victory.

  573. Rhino January 19, 2012 at 11:58 am #

    A pipleine will be built. The question is whether the pipeline goes south to the USA or whether it goes to the Pacific coast of Canada to fill up tankers for transport to China.
    Here’s how I see it: the Pacific pipeline is running into opposition ie from landowners, Native groups, environmentalists etc. But you would know as well as I do that money fixes these things. And there’s a lot of money involved: oil companies want their profits, CEOs want their bonuses, investors want their dividends, unions want the construction jobs, govts want the royalties, native bands and landowners want their payoffs and at the end of the day the Chinese want the oil and will pay for everyone. And who gives a shit about the Chinese? Nobody that I know of.
    So the only issue is who gets the oil. Americans or the Chinese. Maybe Obama just decided that the Chinese should get it. If that’s how it is, that’s how it is.

  574. Rhino January 19, 2012 at 12:04 pm #

    The evidence of my own eyes. My memory goes back decades and I’ve seen the changes. Right in front of me. And the reportage of others that I trust.
    What evidence do you use?
    Oh no don’t tell me …

  575. Rhino January 19, 2012 at 12:09 pm #

    You still haven’t answered my questions Asoka:
    Do you speak for the interests of the top 1%?
    Do you have an interest in seeing people in distress? Does it give you pleasure?
    Still waiting. These should be easy to answer.
    YES or NO will do.

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  576. diogen January 19, 2012 at 12:12 pm #

    Well, hello Clusterfukkers, long time eh? In this constantly changing world it’s very reassuring to find one place of stability, right here! Nothing is changing here, Meth/Mika is still the same psychopath and clear-case lunatic, Vlad is still a self-hating closeted gay man who makes himself feel better about himself by demonizing other people and refusing to admit that jews, blacks, women, etc are the NOT same (hint Vlad: humanity is divided into good people, bad people and everything in between regardless of their skin, race, religion or ethnicity). Prog2 is still one of the few voices of intelligence and reason (where’s Cash?) The debate is still focused on the irrelevant crap. Wage is still courageous and honest even though she’s blind to her Utopian Marxist delusions. Asoka is still the same demagogue and ideologue, though his heart is (probably) in the right place. Even though I haven’t seen Q around, the grammar is good enuff here for folks to express what they mean. By the way Vlad, you’re much luckier than Mika/Math, being gay is OK while being crazy like Mika is not OK, and just because you’re gay you don’t need to hate and demonize women and other groups of people (how un-Christian of you btw). Is Tripp still posting? All’s good here, spent some time back home in Germany, they’re getting really testy having to pay for other people’s lack of discipline and good sense. Back here in Ohio we had a bumper crop this past Sommer in our garden, gave lots of food to the kids and other willing takers, and the canning jar’s don’t seem to diminish on the shelfs. Reminder people: you can grow A LOT of food in the Suburban backyard, just improve your soil, use a site with full sun and good drainage, collect rainwater in barells, and use Reemay cloth and row covers instead of pesticides and herbicides (they’ll give you cancer). Tschüss…

  577. wagelaborer January 19, 2012 at 12:16 pm #

    The pipeline oil goes to China either way.
    The proposed route goes down to Texas, where the oil was to be refined and then sent to China.
    Your four wheeler will sit quiet either way.

  578. wagelaborer January 19, 2012 at 12:24 pm #

    Hi, diogen. Nice to hear from you.
    Cash is gone. Maybe his library shut down.
    Q is gone. One of our posters claims to have killed him.
    Other than that, you’re right, we’re all the same.
    I still persist in my Marxist utopian delusions:)

  579. rippedthunder January 19, 2012 at 12:33 pm #

    Howdy Diogen, Q has not been around so I’ll sit in for him. That would be summer, not sommer, and barrels, not barells. ;o) Welcome back. Tripp still posts occasionally. What is reemay cloth?

  580. BeantownBill January 19, 2012 at 12:38 pm #

    Dee, believe it or not, I do agree with you that in changing the government’s expenditure priorities, a program would allow for some amount of guaranteed income. But think this through:
    The US population is 310 million. If everyone, children included, got an income of just $200 per month – which is nothing – the total annual expenditure would be $7 trillion, which is one half of our yearly GDP. Since paying off the interest on our national debt is currently 40% of GDP, that leaves almost no money for all the social programs currently in existence, including near zero for the military. I’m in favor of cutting the defense budget, but not to the extent of leaving us defenseless.
    The only way a guaranteed income program even stands a chance of working to a small degree would be if we repudiate our national debt, which would lead to global collapse and possibly war.
    This leads us back to the only possible solution: A rebellion that totally changes the way we do things.
    In the end, it’s the arithmetic that does us in. And this is why we need to cut the US government budget so we don’t run deficits. With deficits, our national debt increases, and our interest payments on it, currently at 40%, increases as well. Whether or not we have a rebellion makes no diference to the math – we’re going to end up changing our ways.
    I know Wagelaborer will call me a heartless bastard. I wish very much that we COULD provide everyone with a guaranteed income; I wish very much I could make everyone I know happy. But reality is reality and mathematics is mathematics.

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  581. San Jose Mom 51 January 19, 2012 at 12:41 pm #

    Alexandra,
    We truly live in a graceless age.
    SJmom

  582. diogen January 19, 2012 at 12:44 pm #

    hey RT, Reemay is very light polyester cloth that lets like 80% of the sunlight thru but keeps insects and weeds off your soil, it’s so light it floats on top of the plants, and its reusable year after year. A.M. Leonard and Amazon sell it among other places. It’s the God’s gift to Organic gardeners. It also allows rain to go thru, and reflects heat when there’s too much of it, but conserves it when there isn’t, don’t ask me how it works, it may just be magic.

  583. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 1:00 pm #

    The evidence of my own eyes.
    ================
    So, seeing is believing. No need to ask me.

  584. metuselah January 19, 2012 at 1:05 pm #

    Why the hating, you ignorant sob? Get some sunshine and education in your life. “GS Elevator Gossip” over at twitter. The funniest twitter feed out there!

  585. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 1:05 pm #

    Still waiting. These should be easy to answer. YES or NO will do.

    My answer is: MAYBE.
    I am interested in the well-being of ALL, including the 1% and the 99% (which equals 100%).
    Pitchforks, firearms, and nooses do not interest me. I am not angry. I am happy. I do not want harm to come to anyone.

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  586. diogen January 19, 2012 at 1:12 pm #

    Sorry to hear about Q, I hope the shooter was aiming at Methuselah but missed and nailed Q unintentionally, even though I’ve been miffed with Q on occasion, I did appreciate his finely-tuned and subtle sense of humor. Heck, I’ve been miffed at you Wage occasionally, but I do appreciate your principles of egalitarianism and fair treatment of people. A friend recently posed this dilemma over a few Steinkrug of fine Weissbier: suppose somehow wealth was evenly distributed between one and every individual in the world (perhaps as a result of electing YOU for the job as the Queen of the World). It’s virtual certainty that within a very short time some people would become very poor again while some people would become very rich again. Such is the Human Condition Wage 🙂 Re-destribution of wealth would never work to alleviate inequities. Only education and kultural progress would…

  587. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 1:13 pm #

    Beantown, I noticed you did not mention the 1.6 fiscal multiplier effect for domestic government expenditure (which is much higher than military expenditure: once you build a bomb and use it there are no more economic benefits). The domestic economy money does get recycled in the private sector. Guaranteed income (which would be low income and would be recycled completely for most people) is not a 1 to 1 proposition.

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  589. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 1:18 pm #

    It’s virtual certainty that within a very short time some people would become very poor again while some people would become very rich again.
    =======================
    Which is why I favor a 10 to 1 ratio with a minimum guaranteed income (no more “very poor”) and a maximum income limit (no more “very rich”)
    That way everyone has the basics if they want to live poor, they can. Some people can have more luxuries and toys, if they want that, but not to an excess. The maximum income allowed would be 10 times the minimum income.

  590. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 1:24 pm #

    Let me use a different metaphor: a 1 to 10 breakfast ratio.
    Say poor guy has $10 to spend on breakfast for one, adequate for basic nutrition, a “bread and butter” breakfast.
    Rich guy would have a maximum of $100 for breakfast and can buy bread and butter but can also buy fancy jams and fancy breads, etc.
    But, then, why would anyone want or need to spend more than $100 on breakfast for one?

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  591. diogen January 19, 2012 at 1:35 pm #

    Ha, Meth is talking to me! Meth, I showed some of your writings to my jewish friends and they were horrified by your insane garbage (except those who laughed their asses off at your inanity). And by the way, so you know, most of the jewish people I know are as critical of Israeli zionist policies as everyone else. They are sad that what started out as a hopeful beginning for the jewish people morphed into another corrupt corporate-nationalist-militarist state that has no future. And you are a caricature and a cliche of what folks like Vlad want to portray you jews as. You’re your own worst enemy. Other than that, you’re a pretentious ignorant prick and a psychopath. Have a nice day 🙂

  592. lbendet January 19, 2012 at 1:40 pm #

    Everything is illuminated….
    Wage (I know you like this)and all other CFNers,
    I apologize for not reading the thread today, Therefore I don’t know if anyone recommended these must listen to streaming videos or radio.
    While I’m working, however I keep up with my usual sources of info and I couldn’t recommend more wholeheartedly that you listen to Guns and Butter from yesterday
    http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/77020
    [“Iran and the Globalization of War” with Michel Chossudovsky.] What I said yesterday about us using Israel–spot on, if I do say so myself.
    Keiser report: Scam On Epic Scale.
    http://maxkeiser.com/
    These two work together rather well….
    Please do listen.

  593. Widespreadpanic7 January 19, 2012 at 1:42 pm #

    I’m trying to look critically at everything around me … compare the reality I see with Jim’s predictions and what is posted here … so far there is nothing like collapse … the petroleum keeps on flowing in with no end in sight … there are winners and losers as always … life goes on. We didn’t have much growing up so now I have it pretty good and it looks like gravy to me. The Dow is up and unemployment claims are down. Yes, there are poor people, but there have always been poor people. I don’t know, I just don’t feel the hatred for the rich, the blacks, the Jews, Israel, Mexicans, the US etc that many do here. I think maybe that makes me an anomoly in CFN.
    What gives, indeed, Jim?
    –WSP7

  594. diogen January 19, 2012 at 1:42 pm #

    >The maximum income allowed would be 10 times the minimum income.
    Asoka, while one may argue the particular number 10, I agree this is a sound idea. A few decades ago the factor was about 40, and wealthy people didn’t suffer from the lack of luxuries. Now the factor is about 400 from what I read, and this is un-American (not to mention short-sighted). There’s much greater equity in Northern Europe between lower and upper earners, and the results speak for themselves.

  595. ozone January 19, 2012 at 1:44 pm #

    A.,
    Despite much crap-slinging, delusionary mouthings, and general paper-hanging cover-ups, there’s this (concerning you and yours directly):
    http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2012/01/january-16-2012-quo-vadis-britannia.html
    Seems the very keen scythe of the over-burden of debt, chicanery, tomfoolery, and bait-and-switch shenanigans is coming for us all in its’ own good time.
    Thanks a pantload, Globalization… heckuva job!

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  596. ozone January 19, 2012 at 1:49 pm #

    Exactly: Energy return on energy invested. (The equations just don’t prove out for tar sands or fracked gas. They’re LOSERS. It’s all about bilking “investors” and skimming commodities casinos in which the profiteers manipulate the pricings.)

  597. metuselah January 19, 2012 at 2:06 pm #

    Your Jewish friends? LOL! Nice try!

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  599. BeantownBill January 19, 2012 at 2:24 pm #

    Asoka, I honestly didn’t think of that. Good point. However, without putting too much thought on the matter, if you consider the national economy as a balance sheet or income/expense statement, since our expenses almost always exceed our income, an increase on the income side would cause a greater increase on the expense side, thus exacerbating the issue even more than I originally thought.

  600. anti soak January 19, 2012 at 2:33 pm #

    CFN CANARD OF THE DAY:
    ‘Overpopulation does not lower quality of life’
    Then why is it Over-Population, Dimwit?
    You are on a fools mission, attempting to offer Reason to that fool!
    [AND WHY DID HE -SUPPOSEDLY- MOVE TO THE JUNGLE?]

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  601. BeantownBill January 19, 2012 at 2:33 pm #

    Asoka, please read this link:
    http://www.financialarmageddon.com/

  602. anti soak January 19, 2012 at 2:35 pm #

    ‘ less than $75-100K/yr, a huge section of the IRS budget could be reduced, with enforcement focused on the wealthy & corporations.’
    YES BUT…That means less govt parasites puishing paper.

  603. old69 January 19, 2012 at 2:41 pm #

    Please, Scroll over the following blocks of text. It is someone sh*ting on the Internet.
    Good evening ph*ktards ! Excuse me if I suck too much, but I can’t really do anything about it…
    We need a content that activates constant thought paths, what we want is an excuse to think and try to figure out something, a plan, an imaginary work in progress as a never ending sequence of thoughts, calculations, logical situations and imaginary sets of causes and effects that will finally bring to a new thought conclusion, so as to think that a long series of past thought paths, past events, causes and events, past guesses, past interactions with things and people (or that “special” person ?) and mistakes, you name it has finally made us reach a concluding thought synthesis: a conclusion, a definite plan, etc. But alas, it will never be so, we will always make a mistake, we will never conclude the work in progress, we will never find the final solution as it depends on random quirks, other will powers that are just as lost as you, on random changes in other people’s judgments and desires, everything changes constantly because nothing can be very stable, etc.
    And we are actually in love exclusively with our thought paths, ever changing, ever needing to be activated, we need content, a start point and target point, if only in our mind, if only just fantasized to keep our mental computer program running, and as the mental computer program runs and runs it gives us a feeling of achieving, of being right, of producing, of getting closer to all of our soluitons to problems (if they really are problems or imaginary problems ? and as the progam runs it activates slight good feelings, or slight satisfaction feelings ? all a very simple – complex machine our Man Brain), and as I said in the past, give them a content, they will be happy.
    So we calculate a situation that depends on how another third party (or thing ? or group of persons ?) will react, should react, how we hope will react and all the intermediate steps and situations. And we try to imagine and calculate what inputs, what activities, what behaviors, what anything will bring forth a certain reaction, (but even the resulting reaction desired is never very clear, is not very clear cut, in other words, we don’t really even know what we want and we are always changing our minds and ideas an judgments because we are essentially a crashed computer program with too many possible inputs and too many possible outputs not knowing which to choose or even if any should be chosen).
    So what to do ? leave it to the free play of forces, don’t push anything at all (or just slightly push it ?) wait to see if the action reaction will play out automatically (but I doubt it), and the golden rule: leave the reaction the job of executing some stimulation that brings forth a play of forces that may bring some desired result that you really are not even sure you want, or what you want.
    Notice the level of abstraction. Jesus ph*king Christ and you slobs are insane enough to even read this ?!?!?!
    AN APE

  604. old69 January 19, 2012 at 2:47 pm #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177908
    Some corrections:
    From:
    http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/01/what-gives.html
    Please, Scroll over the following blocks of text. It is someone sh*ting on the Internet.
    Good evening ph*ktards ! Excuse me if I suck too much, but I can’t really do anything about it…
    We need a content that activates constant thought paths, what we want is an excuse to think and try to figure out something, a plan, an imaginary work in progress as a never ending sequence of thoughts, calculations, logical situations and imaginary sets of causes and effects that will finally bring to a new thought conclusion, so as to think that a long series of past thought paths, past events, causes and events, past guesses, past interactions with things and people (or that “special” person ?) and mistakes, you name it has finally made us reach a concluding thought synthesis: a conclusion, a definite plan, etc. But alas, it will never be so, we will always make a mistake, we will never conclude the work in progress, we will never find the final solution as it depends on random quirks, other will powers that are just as lost as you, on random changes in other people’s judgments and desires, everything changes constantly because nothing can be very stable, etc.
    And we are actually in love exclusively with our thought paths, ever changing, ever needing to be activated, we need content, a start point and target point, if only in our mind, if only just fantasized to keep our mental computer program running, and as the mental computer program runs and runs it gives us a feeling of achieving, of being right, of producing, of getting closer to all of our solutions to problems (if they really are problems or imaginary problems ? and as the progam runs it activates slight good feelings, or slight satisfaction feelings ? all a very simple – complex machine our Man Brain), and as I said in the past, give them a content, they will be happy.
    So we calculate a situation that depends on how another third party (or thing ? or group of persons ?) will react, should react, how we hope will react and all the intermediate steps and situations. And we try to imagine and calculate what inputs, what activities, what behaviors, what anything will bring forth a certain reaction, (but even the resulting reaction desired is never very clear, is not very clear cut, in other words, we don’t really even know what we want and we are always changing our minds and ideas and judgments because we are essentially a crashed computer program with too many possible inputs and too many possible outputs not knowing which to choose or even if any should be chosen).
    So what to do ? leave it to the free play of forces, don’t push anything at all (or just slightly push it ?) wait to see if the action reaction will play out automatically (but I doubt it), and the golden rule: leave the reaction the job of executing some stimulation that brings forth a play of forces that may bring some desired result that you really are not even sure you want, or what you want.
    Notice the level of abstraction. Jesus ph*king Christ and you slobs are insane enough to even read this ?!?!?!
    AN APE

  605. old69 January 19, 2012 at 3:31 pm #

    Person A would like a set of actions reactions with or from person B, but person B (or A and B could be things, situations, groups whatever) lives within a set of fixed standard patterns of interactions and behaviors F, a comforting standard set of 3 or 4 base areas where all the inputs and messages are all within a certain limited range. Obviously the range can also be mapped to an imaginary other range, could be a proxy for another range (unconsciously or projections or fantasy in either or both the minds of A or/and B ?), but the basic range does not allow much wiggle room: so if person A tries to force the types of messages – behaviors – interactions within a typical standard behavior pattern in F, the result may be many and varied and could provoke many different impossible to predict outcomes, such as it may reinforce even more the standard behaviors of B and person A may be completely excluded hosed, eliminated and be assigned definitely a slot of out/loser/not part of/no interaction with anymore/sore loser etc. But it may also subtly provoke some slight opposite effect like interesting/slightly in/possible further interaction etc.
    And all the intermediate and sideways and up/down/right/left more or less intense possible interactions can be activated, can be set forward, as a new play of forces in terms of actions reactions and further actions, a feedback loop (neither positive or negative, but in between ?) can commence even when you least expect it.
    But more likely, the standard set of F is very stable and difficult to manipulate, change or interact with…

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  606. Bustin J January 19, 2012 at 3:45 pm #

    seapony said, “And here I thought there wssn’t any good or evil in the world, that religion is just a superstitious concept… I assume the sainted Dr King did do some good if he got the left to admit to concepts of good and evil.”
    Evil doth never prosper, for it it prospers, none dare call it evil.
    Also, “The money the police and military earn is not unearned, as you put it. They do their jobs.”
    It is “unearned” in this context: Global Warming.
    is that the present system will enable the continuance of the social, economic, and cultural forces that will eventually end the world as we know it by the consequences of those processes. They are human processes, and the functional parts are the occupations that protect, serve, and enable it.
    By creating Carbon dioxide, you are polluting a commons, which is the life support system. It is a cost shared by everyone who relies on it in common.
    The functional roles of society are filled with people who are taking from the rest of the people that rely on the commons, for a transient benefit to themselves, even if they are “on a mission to protect and serve”.
    This is all very abstract because the system as a whole could eventually work toward- not only a solution to the problem, but repairing the damage, although that seems unlikely. They will try, though! The men will huddle around the problem and everyone will cheer them on as heroes. They’ll come up with Plan A, which will be refined to plan B, then compete with plans C, D, and E, until Plan F is implemented, and then Plan G to fix Plan F’s problems, and then its back to the drawing board to create Plan H to replace Plan G (and partially mediate the damage done by Plan F, until Plan H is abandoned by Professor X’s great idea that results in Plan I, which requires implementing Plans J, K, and L, which together will form a Plan MNOP, which combines the effects of Plan I and JKL. After a period of time in which this Plan fails, and people start to panic, losing confidence in Plans and Planners, Grand Plan QRSTUV rev. (double you ex why zee) Is implemented in secret by the military which is not successful at all and things get much, much worse, as people start starving and lose hope.
    No, it seems more likely that (a few of us) end up living underground. Not the policeman, businessman, or regular joe, but the specialists who make it possible to survive underground, and the just plain lucky- that is, the kind of luck required to get at the top of a pile of rats in a flooded basement.
    And I’m sure they might have a different view of us, the people who knew a more or less stable world, the ones who caused all the damage, and even the soldiers and policemen making the world safe to burn fossil fuels and bring about a total destruction of the Earth’s life support systems.
    They are not going to give a care whether we recycled. They are not going to care whether we drove a hybrid or a smaller car. They are only going to care about how they are going to get enough insects to eat until tomorrow, and keep repairing and maintaining the equipment that allows them to live until a key component fails and then they will think about what they can do to mitigate the problem, as well as think about other ways to get water, and more insects (lots more insects!) or maybe they will just shoot themselves in the head at that point.
    Maybe they’ll climb to the surface one last time, and breathe the 500ppm CO2 air, and gaze out across a landscape of rotting decay. Maybe they’ll be glad there are clouds and the temperature is temporarily in a comfortable zone. There will be nothing but the dense, wet smell of bacteria and algae. Certainly mice might exist. But there will be no sound, no artificial light, no movement. When the clouds part a blazing orb in the sky will cause the temperature to hike quickly over 110 degrees. Sunstroke is only minutes away. Hiding in the shade, it gets hotter, and hotter until it creeps above 125, and you start to lose the ability to regulate your body temperature.
    Then you get woozy, lightheaded, and start to feel weak. You start to stand about, not moving like the men hanging around the streets in Baghdad in 2004. Except there is no water to sip. So its back down into the hole with you, human.
    So much for a million billion prayers and the unearned and earned right to be a 21st century stooge for the True Evil Ones.
    You will be gone in a few years but your plastic trash will blow across the landscape…
    forever….
    “Do we need to start one war after another, no, not in my opinion. And if they are too over weight and gauche for you, ohh goodness gracias.”
    The thing is, in the military, opinions don’t count. You do what you’re told. Its a direct chain of command from one person all the way down to you, and your opinion doesn’t matter at all.
    As to the gaucheness of military or regular people’s being out of shape… ? That is a Huge Public Health Issue, an issue that is tragic-
    Tragic-
    with a capital “t”.
    The Fatness of us all is a “huge” problem.
    1. Physical disability is your future
    2. You are a drain on social health services
    3. It is not attractive
    4. You consume too much food
    5. Which consume too much water
    6. You annoy everyone with your obliviousness to your own blimpness
    7. Lets face it your quality of life is shit as an obese person
    8. You demand annual increases in sympathy for your fat ass
    9. You start relying more and more on cars
    10. Then you require a motorized scooter
    11. Then you are multiply diabetic
    13. Complications begin

    19. Your complications have complications.
    I think the problem of obesity (HUGE problem) is due primarily to the fact that America is a society where people don’t have sex, alcohol (which is a driver of fatness) is the only legal drug, and people are generally miserable, but have excess cash from being such a diligent slave that they gorge themselves on the only remaining pleasure: food.
    Lets face it, the only reason a lot of people live these days is because of the pleasure of eating food.
    You know, that old “don’t live to eat, eat to live” saying.
    Obesity is the cautionary state: people ARE living just to eat.
    They talk about it! All the time…
    Americans LOOOVE to talk about food. Talk about types of food, good places to find food, mmmm, things they LIKE to EAT. They talk about what they should eat, shouldn’t eat, every variation on the theme.
    Yum, yum, yum – I’m not fat, I JUST LIKE FOOD!
    Food: America’s drug problem #1.

    BUT the OTHER THING about “America’s Heroes(tm)”…
    After they’ve “retired” and continue to receive free money (as generated by the world-destroying economy)… they continue to receive the respect and admiration of the General public. They eat their Pot Pies and watch cable TV and read the worshipful talk about their virtue and sacrifices (mostly from local news sources, newspapers and TV)… and they end their days, not in a blaze of righteous glory, but, dead from a heart attack after too many grilled pork sliders, dead from too many ATV expeditions into public lands to blow away wild boar, dead from too many six-packs and red meat, face down in the bowl of oatmeal 9:30 in the morning.

  607. Bustin J January 19, 2012 at 3:53 pm #

    The United States is one of the world’s largest wildlife consumers, with J.F.K. International Airport in Queens seeing the most imports. From 2000 to 2006, approximately 1.5 billion live wild animals legally entered the country, as did about 55 million pounds of wildlife products. No one knows exactly how many animals or products enter the United States illegally each year, given the covert nature of the imports, but researchers suspect that the number is substantial.

    Jobs!
    JobbbS!!!!
    JOBS!!!!
    YAYAYYAAYYYYYYY

  608. BeantownBill January 19, 2012 at 4:05 pm #

    Gee, thanks for cheering me up, Bustin. I think I’ll go out now and shoot myself.

  609. Bustin J January 19, 2012 at 4:09 pm #

    Old69 says, to paraphrase: “(communicating an idea to someone)… may reinforce even more the standard behaviors of B and person A may be completely excluded hosed, eliminated and be assigned definitely a slot of out/loser/not part of/no interaction with anymore/sore loser etc. But it may also subtly provoke some slight opposite effect like interesting/slightly in/possible further interaction etc.”
    Yes! The simple fact is that someone can refuse to accept reality, or refuse to accept your conclusion even if it is makes sense and is presently fairly and validly. Further, you are correct that, in most realms of inquiry, most people will not accept your reasoning, or your conclusions, even if it is right (and sometimes just because it is!)
    AT THE SAME TIME
    Evolution designed our minds with many back-doors, side entrances, and trapdoors. So there is the fact that simple exposure to the idea, rejected or accepted, is integrated into their minds.
    Granted, this is inserted in the “trunk” of the mind, where the “Driver” (the frontal lobes) doesn’t have to think about it. But, it a rememberance, it is preserved, and by repetitive encounters with the memory (prompted by reminders) and thinking about it, vestigial neural networks are established.
    At that point there is a kind of evolution occurring in the mind. The existing set of prejudices fight the incoming information. If the existing prejudices are strong, the information is ignored (unless the external reinforcement of the information is significant). If the neural network becomes sufficiently stimulated over time, it moves up from the subconscious to the level of awareness, and then into the realm of thought. Even then it must move through a physical expression matrix, which is usually occupied by the mental processes required by the task of seeking doughnuts or beer or sex.
    It is actually a long period of time before they are making baby faces and stretching their mouths to start verbalizing the truth.
    If you take in account every step in the process, from the communication, receiving, storage, growth, and finally an ongoing relationship with the truth, there are multiple points where the process can be derailed or stopped.

  610. Bustin J January 19, 2012 at 4:20 pm #

    So, if I may grant a diagnosis of your intellectual evolution from the framework of the theory of mind I’ve outlined above, I’d say your frontal lobes are simply confused. You don’t have sufficient skill or prior expertise in handling information logically. It sees all things as relative.
    Or it could be a back-end problem. A messy trunk, or perhaps there is a hole in your head, its leaking information in and out.
    You talk about killing thought, killing ideas off and whatnot. That could be subconscious awareness that much of the ideas you are maintaining by talking about obsessively are really just crap ideas that need to die. (here’s that frontal lobe/executive function problem again: how do you get the driver to stop driving in circles, driving into the same dead ends?)
    In the past there was a therapy that “hit the reset button”. It involved sending a stream of electrons through the brain via electrodes. It is a well-known medical procedure performed in a controlled environment. It is still performed but a person has to demand it as treatment.
    Not being able to think rationally is not a medical condition, but, I tend to think most modern practicioners would think there is a biochemical cause and recommend drugs. This is a misdiagnosis. You need the electricity for more fundamental purposes.
    There is also entheogens, mushrooms, that kind of thing which have reported therapeutic benefits for the scrambled-egg brain set.

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  611. Widespreadpanic7 January 19, 2012 at 4:20 pm #

    Old6699, What the F–k are you talking about???
    Bustinj you’re just encouraging him!!!
    –WSP7

  612. 8man January 19, 2012 at 4:24 pm #

    A person (or thing ? or situation ? or group ?) is a pretty face + past behaviors + the history as related to you of that person (and you to that person) + that person’s idea, ideology + the body, way of moving, talking, sound of voice + past conflicts, opposition to your will power + past fights win/loses as related to person (and you to that person) + past memories good/bad + expectations of future good/bad + future happiness, fun etc. and all those applied and mixed, etc. Now how can one of the properties overtake another property, condition another ? because they form a narrative, language, that only logic and thought evaluates constantly, no instinct here, no spontaneous here (only slightly, sometimes ?) but always short lived and imprisoned in an entire host of other influencing and conditioning properties that make the person and may make the person change completely, as in always being something different. Why does a set of thought paths the person shows off (when talking) have an effect on the judgment of the person ? is the person then simply a block of texts ? No, it is a mixture of that plus the image, etc. but all influencing all…and when we want a pretty block of text but get an ugly face ? we can compensate and confuse the properties ? and vice versa, a pretty face and ugly bock of text ? and the same person according to the block of text or relationship, or experience can become good/bad, pretty/ugly, etc…

  613. Bustin J January 19, 2012 at 4:34 pm #

    WSP7 reports: “I’m trying to look critically at everything around me … compare the reality I see with Jim’s predictions and what is posted here … so far there is nothing like collapse … the petroleum keeps on flowing in with no end in sight … there are winners and losers as always … life goes on. We didn’t have much growing up so now I have it pretty good and it looks like gravy to me.”
    What we have here is the persistent illusion that nothing is changing even though it has never been changing faster. It is what gives.
    A cumulative effect, acting on the system from outside, arising from the particular causes, which are everywhere in front of your face, which you don’t recognize as such, including the sum of all effects arising from the global multitude of reactions.
    It is a bias of perception toward what is in front of you, immediate, and local. That can be stretched with training to involve other reliable indicators, such as news media, and the like, but still you are limited in your intuitive ability to grasp the magnitude of what you don’t see, and especially of what has been accumulated through that old, slow process of accumulation.
    Therefore, we think those wizards special who look back on the records, peer at the data, and attempt to wrap their thoughts around the millions and the billions, per day, per years, per decades.
    Through mathematic logic and technique one can grasp millions of years, and feel some of the weight of the hundred trillions.
    One can calculate the mass or weight of all the invisible molecules of the fraction of the atmosphere that is composed of oxidized carbon molecules, and than from there do fanstastic maths that uncover its effects and produce data sets which clearly show the movement of planetary forces.
    These are the scientists who study atmospheric science, and the rest of us are mere children at their knees. We look at the world through a smeary, degenerate lens of utter self-absorption. And then some of us, well trained and carefully educated, like a strange flower growing in a controlled environmnet, look up and see the movement and trajectory of whole universes, whole galaxies, and these are Astrophysicists.
    Then there are the poeple who will tell you amazing things about your body and its composition, and all the ways the world interacts with it and can look out into the same scene you gaze upon and receive a wealth of information and insight about all the hidden links, and thier consequences, the forces involved, the invisible mediators of processes we detect only as scenery, and we call the people Ecologists.
    And then their is Jim Kunstler who more or less rides on the shoulders of these people, and speaks in a talented way to shock people into awareness of things they might not otherwise see….

  614. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 4:43 pm #

    The deficits that had aimed to stave off a rerun of the Great Depression after the 2008 financial crisis now are having a depressing effect on the U.S. economy
    =================
    Beantown, the problem with a statement like this is that we will never know what would have happened if the spending had not occurred. We could be at 30% official unemployment (60% real), instead of 9% official (18% real).
    You can only run the experiment once. We will never know what would have happened if we had not run the experiment. But, at the time (2007-2008), McCain, and Obama, and Bush and many economists were saying it would be financial Armageddon if we didn’t run the experiment. It had broad bipartisan support.

  615. Widespreadpanic7 January 19, 2012 at 4:56 pm #

    BustinJ
    You sir, are an intellectual. We are lucky to have you here.
    –WSP7

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  616. turkle January 19, 2012 at 5:02 pm #

    So, to sum up what WSP has to say about everything….
    I’m okay. Yer okay. Everything’s okay.
    Well, okay!

  617. turkle January 19, 2012 at 5:12 pm #

    “Scroll over the following blocks of text.”
    Thankee kindly for the warning.

  618. Alexandra January 19, 2012 at 5:12 pm #

    @ SJMom…
    Indeed hon’ manners maketh the man, was a fond saying of my ole Gramps (ex Royal Irish Guards officer)… he never left the house without his boots shining black mirror finish, and a true gentleman he was, right till the very end and he even did that part too with good grace and full tight-lipped dignity… a passed by age.
    @ Asoka…
    La mitad de saber lo que quieres es saber lo que tiene que dar antes de que lo consigas.
    @ Ozone
    Yep, the smart and the savvy here in Blighty have long known…(much like in any other OECD nation with own currency) that national/central banks/govts perpetually print money to buy votes. It’s happening right now in the USA too as Obama’s team sits there in Chicago orchestrating his re-election campaign… you’ll see top-line stats ever improving as you get to the wire this year…
    (But back to the green, green fields of England, where I am in Exmoor)
    The last two decades has seen 60% of the hard purchasing power of £ sterling be stolen, softened and eroded by never ending inflation and continued money printing (QE). Waved on cheerily most recently by Mervyn King for his city bankster cronies. Guess what? Yep… big bonuses once more this year for those Goldman boyz in London!! Meanwhile the real rate of annual inflation here is consistently over 6% and increasing…
    But there’s still a big difference here than say in Ireland, Spain, Portugal and Greece, as (a) many Brits own their houses so the Banks are underlining this asset base they’ve lent against, so property prices remain more or less ‘stable’ – amazing but true! And (b) we can print £ cash as much as we like… even if the bulk of the UK population continues to be fooled by economic smoke and mirrors propaganda… though at huge personal expense that will continue to be born for many years if not decades.
    Which is why I never, ever bother to listen to the mainstream UK media regarding any economic or financial news… as its PR ‘soundbite’ drivel…. much as the clip below demonstrates…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7z_hd7k9zo&
    Be seeing you…

  619. MissusQuiche January 19, 2012 at 5:25 pm #

    “In the past there was a therapy that “hit the reset button”. It involved sending a stream of electrons through the brain via electrodes.” – Bustin J hinting that Old69 should go for shock therapy.
    This is Old69 after the procedure:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibx09Z86PYM&feature=related

  620. bearfoot January 19, 2012 at 5:30 pm #

    bustin do you really think everyone reads your crap and gets something out of it? not a chance!GET YOUR OWN BLOG…………….please

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  621. charliefoxtrot January 19, 2012 at 5:32 pm #

    issall gooood! @wsp: uh, actually it only seems like no end of oil; that s because ya can t see the bottom of the well, and won t til it s gone…

  622. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 5:38 pm #

    La mitad de saber lo que quieres es saber lo que tiene que dar antes de que lo consigas.
    =============
    ¡Excelente su comentario! Es muy cierto y me llegó justo en el momento que lo necesitaba.
    ¡Gracias, Alexandra!

  623. Eleuthero January 19, 2012 at 5:51 pm #

    Get ready for QE3. Your children, over the past few years, have had $10 trillion of future wealth stolen from their wallets by the Federal Reserve.
    Now, the buzz is that they are prepared to buy mortgage-backed securities and other bonds to the tune of a QE3 of $1 trillion more. The tragicomedy of all of this is that all of the QE’s, put together, have increased our national debt astronomically and REAL WAGES CONTINUE TO PLUMMET.
    When will these cretins get it through their thick heads that unless household INCOME rises, there won’t be durable increases in sales of ANY big-ticket items? Once again, the already-wealthy will be handed another jubilee.
    If Bernanke really had you and me and our children in mind starting in 2008, instead of pumping trillions to bankers, every household in America $20,000 for a grand total of roughly $3 trillion. Virtually ALL installment credit debt would have been erased (household average is somewhere in the $8000-$9000 range). The extra $10K could have been used to forestall foreclosures for at least a year.
    OWS may not be terribly well organized but if Bernanke does what the biz channels insist he’s going to do SOON, the dollar will take a terrible shellacking and inflation, which I hadn’t anticipated until at least 2015 may arrive far soon than that.
    One would think that the Fed, seeing the net result of their multiple stimuli, would conclude that it was a gross failure. I also hate the tactic (similar to one that use “security” as an excuse for perpetual war) of FEAR used in this “war against recession” i.e., “the economy will collapse if we don’t do X”. The irony is that these further forays into extreme debt virtually GUARANTEE that the economy is going to collapse.
    The Law of Diminishing Returns was already in effect during QE2 whose effect lasted a whopping six months while adding a quick $700B to our debt with unemployment only ticking down a few tenths of one percent (part of which could have been purely cyclical and had nothing to do with the stimulus).
    One thing’s for sure … you’d better not short the STOCK MARKET is we get QE3. That’s where the bankers will put all of the new money they get. Speculation is all that’s left of our “economy”.
    E.

  624. charliefoxtrot January 19, 2012 at 5:56 pm #

    what gives, bearfoot? got an alternative? why the ad hominemhominemhominem, huh…?

  625. MissusQuiche January 19, 2012 at 5:58 pm #

    “When the clouds part a blazing orb in the sky will cause the temperature to hike quickly over 110 degrees. Sunstroke is only minutes away. Hiding in the shade, it gets hotter, and hotter until it creeps above 125, and you start to lose the ability to regulate your body temperature.”
    Sounds like my trip to Vegas a few years ago.

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  626. progress2conserve January 19, 2012 at 6:20 pm #

    “Notice the level of abstraction. Jesus ph*king Christ and you slobs are insane enough to even read this ?!?!?!”
    -old69, tegmark, 8m, etc, etc, etc-
    No, olde69, I’m not that insane. I was reading the through the thread from bottom to top, and the question marks caught my eye, leading me to read one of your posts for a second.
    But only for a second.
    I do like your little warnings, when I am reading the thread from top to bottom.
    “Scroll over this block of text.”
    That’s very good advice.
    And it’s all quite unfortunate, Old69.
    You’ve probably got good ideas, but I’m not going to read through all of the circular prose and REPETITIVE DOUBLE AND TRIPLE POSTS –
    In search of your good ideas.
    Sorry.

  627. lbendet January 19, 2012 at 6:38 pm #

    Yes, E.
    Sadly we’ve fallen and we can’t get up.
    Once we went down this rabbit hole we can’t get out, so it keeps going, going going till there’s nothing left.
    Yep all the nation debt could have been handled better and excused once the fraud was uncovered, but the folks that won’t invest in this country got the money instead. Just like BP will get the Iranian oil once we steamroll through there with our buddies NATO.
    I think the citizenry here are the only ones who still think of this as a sovereign state. The elite don’t.

  628. lbendet January 19, 2012 at 6:43 pm #

    Final note we are truly living in the age of perverse incentives.

  629. Vlad Krandz January 19, 2012 at 6:51 pm #

    Where do I say that Jews, Blacks, and Women are all the same? They, and Whites too, all suck in their own unique way. The World is mindlessly optimistic; always bright siding. By being relentlessly negative, I help balance it out. It’s is a great science of which I am no mean pupil. I resent your leveling all down like that.
    Gay? Because I criticize women? Oh aren’t you original – a real little suck up. Gays are ugly and their energy fields utterly distorted. Even alot of Gays themseleves know that they suck. Even where accepted, as in the Netherlands, these poor unfortunates kill themselves at an appalling rate. Part of the explosion of gaiety may be due to exposure to plastics which mimic estrogens. The sperm counts are way down and have been so for a long time. Frogs too now are going gay so it’s not just “psychological” altho it’s that too of course.
    And women have become mannish. Such role reversals are common near the end of a cycle. Women want to be men and men are encouraged to assume a more feminine role. Other men who hate all this become hyper masculine. Before the Russian Revolution young women were dying their hair blue and young men were wearing pink or blue granny glasses and long hair. Things repeat endlessly altho never exactly the same twice.
    Courage Dio! We will see it all end and fall. And the weak will go to the wall. Have no fear, all that I have said shall come to pass. All your evil dreams will come to nothing – while my visions come to fruition in the new Aeon.

  630. progress2conserve January 19, 2012 at 6:54 pm #

    Hey Diogen, and thanks.
    It’s good to have you back posting with us.
    Now stick around, why don’t you?
    I’ll look into the Reemay fabric. Sounds like good stuff..

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  631. BeantownBill January 19, 2012 at 7:02 pm #

    At the rate we are going, we’re going to routinely be talking about quadrillions. The US probably will collapse before we hit quintillions. Remember when billions seemed like an unfathomable amount of money?
    Do you really think that if households got the $20,000 they would pay off their credit cards and save the rest? How about buying that new super-duper 60″ TV with dolby surround sound, thenew sofa and kitchen set, etc.?

  632. Vlad Krandz January 19, 2012 at 7:08 pm #

    So you hate poor Whites – what else is new? Have you told/confessed this to Alan yet? Your meditatopm isn’t working. You would never mock poor Blacks or your Bhutanese. So what gives? Guess you can’t live without a hate object.
    Btw, none of this has anything to do with me. I’m in Washington now and am in the process of selling my “single wide” in Idaho. I now live in a regular house which I own – no mortgage.
    Too bad snow wasn’t Black, eh Dale?

  633. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 7:24 pm #

    I now live in a regular house which I own – no mortgage.
    ———–
    Congratulations, Vlad! Is Washington State expensive? How much are your annual property taxes?

  634. Widespreadpanic7 January 19, 2012 at 7:35 pm #

    Nah, Turkle, I ain’t saying I’m Ok, you’re OK, everything is OK. If that were the case I wouldn’t be reading Jim’s books or frequenting this blog. I believe peak oil is real. But its hard to live up here in New England and be negative about everything or bitter. Other New Englanders here would probably say the same thing. Ozone’s got a nice remote spread in rural southwest Mass., many acres in one of the most beautiful, cultured areas in North America. Ripthunder lives in a pretty little town about 30 miles north of here on the Mass.-Conn. border. It has a beautiful lake, a lovely center and a lot of open space. I don’t know BeanTownBills situation on Boston; it sounds like he is getting on just fine. Myself, our place is on 2 fertile acres, a former apple orchard with many apple trees remaining, amongst well tended colonial houses that date back to the 1660’s. I’m saying it would be specious for me to be griping about anything. That’s all.
    –WSP7

  635. diogen January 19, 2012 at 7:54 pm #

    >Where do I say that Jews, Blacks, and Women are all the same?
    Sorry, I didn’t make myself clear. What you repeatedly imply that all jews are alike, all blacks are alike, etc. You would be a happier man if you looked for the good in people whom you demonize, and only condemn the people who objectively and personally earn your contempt thru their behavior and not their skin color or ethnicity.
    You know, people of the same ethnicity are much more likely to have conflict with each other than people of different ethnicities. Just look at Chinese vs. Taiwanese, N. Koreans vs. S. Koreans, Russians vs. Ukrainians, English vs. Scotts and English vs. Irish (much bloody history there), various assorted Africans vs. their neighbors, American Indian tribes in constant warfare with other tribes before the white man exploited their conflicts, orthodox Jews vs. regular Jews, Sunni Arabs against Shia Arabs, Japanese pre-WWII vs. various other Asian nations, … and YOU vs. other whites (e.g. politically different from you, gays, etc.)
    >Gays are ugly
    Thou protest too much
    Peace brother!

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  636. progress2conserve January 19, 2012 at 7:56 pm #

    CharlieFoxtrot and Rhino-
    Great answers to asoka.s’ lipflappery on immigration, guys.
    I’ll be waiting on his answer(s). I will guarantee you that his answers will fit into one of the following three categories:
    1. All economic growth caused by immigration is good for the US and good for the world. (no peak oil or peak resources in #1, here.)
    2. All immigration into the United States is to be explained and excused by a moral platitude.*
    3. All immigration into the United States is justified by the burgeoning opportunities in Ethnic Entertainment and Ethnic Dining.**
    *asoka.’s favorite moral platitude on Monday/Tuesday was, “Free Movement and Open Borders are the same thing as Unrestricted Permanent Immigration.” What an insane joke of a Planet Killing idea this one is.
    **Pangolin will, hopefully, log on this week to justify uncontrolled immigration because of its benefits for those who constantly seek novel Ethnic Dining opportunities.

  637. anti soak January 19, 2012 at 8:03 pm #

    Pangolin will laud ethnic dining.
    I thought thats Turkle who links the 2.

  638. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 8:29 pm #

    Procon, I feel your pain. Every week with the same 3 arguments you consider invalid, the 3 you will not allow. Yet the objective situation does not change. La reconquista continues full bore and ain’t nobody gonna stop it.
    Must be difficult for you, since you, in your LEGAL immigration paranoia, think you are losing your country, when in reality it is still the USA, just different from the way you want it to be.
    You will suffer until you accept the reality of a multicultural USA with 350 million, 400 million, 500 million, etc. That’s just the way it’s going to be. Learn to live, love, and laugh a little.

  639. DeeJones January 19, 2012 at 8:50 pm #

    “3. All immigration into the United States is justified by the burgeoning opportunities in Ethnic Entertainment and Ethnic Dining.**
    Damm, you got me on #3!!! As Jim says:
    “Its ALL Good!”
    And also saves on the damm airfare too!!
    😉

  640. Vlad Krandz January 19, 2012 at 9:09 pm #

    Yes Met. He’s German, a Nazi. As is anyone who criticizes any Jew for any reason. Who was the guy who said that the whole Arab People weren’t worth one Jewish fingernail?

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  641. SNAFU January 19, 2012 at 9:10 pm #

    Howdy BTB, Per your comment clip “The US population is 310 million. If everyone, children included, got an income of just $200 per month – which is nothing – the total annual expenditure would be $7 trillion, which is one half of our yearly GDP.”
    Me thinks you may need a new calculator:
    3.1*10^8 (US citizens)* $2*10^2 = $6.2*10^10 monthly outlay
    $6.2*10^10 * 1.2*10^1 = $7.44*10^11 Yearly outlay
    $744*10^9/$12982*10^9 (current US GDP guesstimate for 2011) = 0.057 or 5.7% not 50%
    $12982*10^9 – 744*10^9 = $12238*10^9 or a measly 12.238 Trillion left over for the wealthy 1% Fucks to squabble over.
    What is that old time saying “figures don”t lie but liars figure”?
    SNAFU

  642. Vlad Krandz January 19, 2012 at 9:13 pm #

    It all depends on your location Soak. Your’s gets mine.
    What did Osho teach about Homos?

  643. Vlad Krandz January 19, 2012 at 9:26 pm #

    His platitudes have worked up to now – for decades. Why change a winning program? The browing of America has tremendous momentum – Americans didn’t even start talking about it till it had been in full swing for years. The pioneers who did talk were ignored or called Nazis etc.
    White Americans – including you – still don’t have the fortitude to do what needs to be done. Yes, there would be blood. As Churchill said, if you don’t avoid sweat, you can avoid blood and most tears. We refused to face the situation and now we have to pay. And I say doing nothing is worse. Yes, there are worse things than a little blood being shed. And by that I mean Whites being killed by Mexicans and then shooting back. My proposed program would be as peaceful as possible.

  644. progress2conserve January 19, 2012 at 9:43 pm #

    Justifications for excessive immigration:
    1. growth is good
    2. moral platitudes*
    3. multicultural bullsh*t
    And now, for our CFing Pleasure – asoka. gives us
    So, now we consider a “new” type of subtype of moral platitude; already presented to CFN many times before by you, a..
    ========================
    #2 Moral Platitudes:
    Subtype C – Resistance is impossible!
    “You will suffer until you accept the reality of a multicultural USA with 350 million, 400 million, 500 million, etc. That’s just the way it’s going to be.” -asoka.-
    Complete and total bullsh*t, asoka.
    As soon as TPTB, and our “Elites” realize that their lives and personal affluence are degraded by immigration – the immigration will stop.
    Rhino and CF are totally correct.
    You are shilling for the 1% elite.
    wow. who would have thought it?

  645. BeantownBill January 19, 2012 at 9:50 pm #

    No, the saying is, “Figures don’t lie, but dumbfucks don’t figure”. The calculator of which you mention is my brain. Unfortunately, my remaining brain cells dropped a factor of 10, so you are right. I apologize for screwing it up. It sounded good when I made the calculation. Ah, well. Back to the argument drawing board, and thanks for checking the figures (that;s why professors have their grad students doublecheck).

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  646. progress2conserve January 19, 2012 at 9:55 pm #

    Nice analysis SNAFU.
    We are so f*cking math impaired in this country.
    And nobody’s calculator goes past 8 places –
    Before said calculator gives a EE error, or else goes to exponential notation. (I’ll bet that not one politician in 100 can explain the simple difference in a million, a billion, and a trillion – of ANYTHING – dollars, turnips, or immigrants!!
    Is this part of an explanation for the coming doom of population overshoot and economic collapse INSIDE the US, perhaps?
    wow.
    To be so miserably led, at such a critical time.

  647. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 10:39 pm #

    Complete and total bullsh*t, asoka.
    ====================
    I feel your pain and anger, Procon. It sounds like you want the USA to have 100 million inhabitants, and you are grieving the loss of your imagined USA. In the stages of grief you are just getting started with your anger of LEGAL immigration policy and denial of 400 or 500 million LEGAL USA residents.
    As I said, you will suffer until you can accept reality. Population will continue to increase. The quality of life will improve. Keep working through your grief until you get to acceptance and the peace which passeth all understanding.
    Here’s to inevitable growth, moral platitudes (the USA is founded on moral ideas), and a rich multicultural USA, a USA that I love and accept as it is. Life is good.
    ¡Viva la reconquista!

  648. mika. January 19, 2012 at 10:43 pm #

    You’re welcome!
    Now, go work on a much needed tan, you purple-face blue-eyed lizard.

  649. charliefoxtrot January 19, 2012 at 10:47 pm #

    prog- coupla things: first, to give soaker the benefit of the doubt, my sense is that rather than shill, he s playing devil s advocate in order to provoke argument, or to be polite, “discussion”…my gut just tells me he isn t dim, and we know he isn t ignorant of the basic results of immigration (legal or otherwise) and has admitted, i believe, that things aren t good for them either…
    next, i would respectfully (to you, that is) submit that by definition, polititions are not leaders, they are followers…the problem is that they re following the money rather than a mandate from Us, The People…
    lastly, i just wanted to thank you again for reminding me about mr reed- ‘twould seem truth in advertizing is still to be found: he has an opinion about quite literally everything…and while i don t agree with 100% of his views; i don t have to- he s effin’ hilarious, and it sure makes you think about some things, often from a new angle…plus having grown up in the woods myself, i can relate…possums, indeed…!

  650. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 10:49 pm #

    I live near the border with Mexico. All my neighbors are Mexicans or Mexican-Americans.
    Hispanics are wonderful people. Nobody shooting anybody here, Vlad. No animosity between whites and browns.
    As for #3 there’s a taco stand here where you can get an authentic veggie quesadilla for two dollars. Wonderful and nutritious lunch! Life is good!

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  651. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 10:50 pm #

    CORRECTION
    Hispanics are beautiful people, people with soul.

  652. progress2conserve January 19, 2012 at 10:57 pm #

    “Population will continue to increase. The quality of life will improve.” -asoka-
    And here asoka. moves back into his favorite – the big number 1. “Growth is good, immigrants cause population growth, therefore unrestricted immigration is good.
    Why don’t you go over the the Chamber of Commerce website a.., those fools are still all about grow, Grow, GROW! Those of us who understand peak oil and peak resources – know better. And some of us work for lower growth and a better day.
    You impede.

  653. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 11:00 pm #

    has admitted, i believe, that things aren t good for them either…
    =================
    That was in the context of a discussion of Alabama and Arizona’s racist anti-immigrant laws. In most other places the USA is highly valued and people are very happy to be in the USA, unlike a lot of grumpy folks here on CFN who think the USA is being overrun. Some people think 32 inhabitants per sq. km. is just too many people! Ha! You ain’t seen nothin’ yet.
    La reconquista is just simple justice, taking back what was stolen from them when the treaty to end the Mexican American war was negotiated in good faith in Mexico City, and then Article X was later removed by the USA congress.
    But the hispanics are putting Article X into practice de facto, after the USA congress sneaky elimination of Article X de jure.
    Just karma, that’s all.

  654. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 11:12 pm #

    Those of us who understand peak oil and peak resources – know better.
    ===================
    Oh, really, ProCon? Then how do you explain US oil consumption, contracting from a year ago, since we got all those MILLIONS of LEGAL immigrants you so worried about. How do you explain the USA having so much production surplus that the USA is selling to other places? You’d think with all those MILLIONS of LEGAL immigrants we wouldn’t have any extra to sell. And you think you “know better” … you fightin’ with phantoms, Procon, and that’s why you are angry about USA immigration policy. And you are in complete denial about immigration improving the quality of life, even though I have posted numerous studies showing immigrants are NET CONTRIBUTORS AND JOB CREATORS.

  655. progress2conserve January 19, 2012 at 11:14 pm #

    Regarding asoka. on argument, err discussion.
    You are probably right. I just wish he’d let some other people discuss things. I’d still like to know why Mila51 wants unrestricted immigration – and it’s been over 6 months since she posted here.
    Pangolin told us why last week, his pro-immigrant beliefs are all about his appetites and his base instinct to fill his belly with a variety of ethnic food, while avoiding Red Lobster.
    Meanwhile, Pangolin explains why it is all OK for urban black men to kill cops.
    strange. very strange.
    So, those two posters and asoka. are in favor of more immigration. Seemingly, every other poster who comes thru CFN is AGAINST it.
    And as regards Fred-on-Everything Reed.
    You are very welcome. I think Ozone linked to him on CFN first. And yeah, he’s irreverent, but he’s very realistic and fairly accurate.
    I’d still like to hear from Mika/Metuselah or one of our other Jewish CFN brethren – concerning Reed’s take on the relationship between the US, Israel, and the Arab world. I’ve already posted the link once this week, with excerpts.
    Reality. It’s out there, waiting.
    It’s going to get us all.

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  656. progress2conserve January 19, 2012 at 11:19 pm #

    “I have posted numerous studies showing immigrants are NET CONTRIBUTORS AND JOB CREATORS”
    -asoka-
    Growth is good.
    Growth of the US helps the US military, too.
    I think I’ve seen you yelling, “USA! USA!,” at a TEA party rally asoka.
    Shill on! I think my stocks and real estate holdings just went up another notch in value.
    Thanks, a..

  657. charliefoxtrot January 19, 2012 at 11:32 pm #

    sorry, but the statute of limitations is up- it is what it is; even if it aint what it s supposed to be we still have our modern day paradigm to work with: just like i don t own slaves, i didn t sign the treaty; by your argument, since my ancestors were either here first as cherokee, creek, and blackfeet,or as scots and irish slaves then this is my land and you owe me 40 acres and a mule…sure you want to fo there? once again, my main problem is with the power structures, on both sides of the border, which exploit all of us for gain and profit but logic provides that if there weren t a replacement handy, then the traitorous elite would have to deal with us, and give us a decent, human wage in return for our backs…and common sense would dictate that maybe if the beautiful,hispanics had to stay home, then they would be motivated to fix their own problems, REMOVING THE NEED TO COME HERE FOR A BETTER LIFE…do you begin to understand the frustration? that how things are can only get worse, and will prevent either US or Mexico from being better…?

  658. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 11:36 pm #

    I think I’ve seen you yelling, “USA! USA!,” at a TEA party rally asoka.
    =====================
    I think I’ve seen you at a KKK rally, hatin’ on immigrants.
    You don’t have an argument. You don’t address mine. You just tally up names and say there’s more on CFN against than in favor. As if truth was found just by going with the majority. That’s not an argument.

  659. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 11:40 pm #

    i didn t sign the treaty
    ===================
    You didn’t sign the Constitution either, but you live by the Second Amendment.

  660. charliefoxtrot January 19, 2012 at 11:43 pm #

    pbbbbth! you mean all of the refined gas and other products that we can t buy? because we can t afford to go anywhere? that is just plain obtuse; this gem was discussed maybe a week or two ago- i seriously doubt you missed it

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  661. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 11:46 pm #

    I think my stocks and real estate holdings just went up another notch in value.
    ================
    I am impeding their fall in value. You have no idea how much I control, besides discussion on CFN. 🙂

  662. charliefoxtrot January 19, 2012 at 11:59 pm #

    why, you re quite welcome! proud to do my part to allow us to be a nation, rather than huddled masses waiting for the next mob…

  663. asoka. January 19, 2012 at 11:59 pm #

    Reality. It’s out there, waiting.
    It’s going to get us all.
    ===================
    Damn! What a twisted view of life.
    For me reality is here-now and I am celebrating it every day with every breath. What a gift!
    For you, reality is “out there” and it’s “waiting” and it’s going to “get us all.”
    Paranoia and schizophrenia writ large.

  664. progress2conserve January 20, 2012 at 12:00 am #

    “You don’t have an argument. You don’t address mine. You just tally up names and say there’s more on CFN against than in favor.”
    -asoka-
    You made a pro-economic growth argument in favor of immigrants, yet again. I’ve addressed every possible nuance of that argument before, more than once. I’m not doing it again. And I’m against economic growth – although growth has huge benefits to me personally – if I want to be purely selfish about it.
    This is a peak resources website. The overriding conclusion is that growth is bad, and that economic and population growth will stop, sooner or later and one way or another.
    You mentioned 100 million as a target population of the US. There is ample evidence that we will fall FAR below that – especially if the growth does not slow down, and soon.
    =====================
    I know three on CFN who are pro-immigrant; asoka., mila, and pangolin.
    There might be others, but we’ll,apparently, never hear from them – because asoka. is too busy covering the the same 3 tired pro-immigrant arguments – over and over and over and over –
    growth, moral platitudes, multiculturalsim
    wow.
    That really is all you have.
    Now, I will wait, while you restate one of your positions from an earlier post for us.
    aoska. – “I reside, therefore I impede.”

  665. asoka. January 20, 2012 at 12:03 am #

    Immigrants’R’Us unless your family has been here since before 1492. We are all immigrants.
    I am embracing the nation: all of us, regardless of legal status or country of origin. You are physically here, so you are part of my tribe … same for the “undocumented” poor brown people.

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  666. asoka. January 20, 2012 at 12:07 am #

    aoska. – “I reside, therefore I impede.”
    ==================
    Procon —
    “I reside, therefore I bitch about immigrants.”

  667. charliefoxtrot January 20, 2012 at 12:09 am #

    oh wait, you thought that was an attack or an insult…guess you re ignoring the fact that the 2nd ammendment is what has allowed us to last this long as a sovereign people…you live by the right to bear arms, too, bub…

  668. charliefoxtrot January 20, 2012 at 12:15 am #

    did you even read my post?

  669. asoka. January 20, 2012 at 12:18 am #

    Those of us who understand peak oil and peak resources – know better.
    ===================
    You made a pro-economic growth argument in favor of immigrants, yet again.
    =================
    No, I made a direct attack on your population/resources argument, and you did not respond.

    Oh, really, ProCon? Then how do you explain US oil consumption, contracting from a year ago, since we got all those MILLIONS of LEGAL immigrants you so worried about. How do you explain the USA having so much production surplus that the USA is selling to other places? You’d think with all those MILLIONS of LEGAL immigrants we wouldn’t have any extra to sell. And you think you “know better” … you fightin’ with phantoms, Procon, and that’s why you are angry about USA immigration policy. And you are in complete denial about immigration improving the quality of life, even though I have posted numerous studies showing immigrants are NET CONTRIBUTORS AND JOB CREATORS.

    What is the ideal USA population for you? 50 million? 10 million? Your extended family in Georgia?

  670. charliefoxtrot January 20, 2012 at 12:20 am #

    although upon reflection, i must concede that we immigrated too- sometime shortly after the last ice age…

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  671. progress2conserve January 20, 2012 at 12:36 am #

    “I reside, therefore I bitch about immigrants.”
    -asoka, impeding with a moral platitude-
    and impeding with another gross simplification.
    I told you you would rehash a previous post for us. Didn’t know you could do it so quickly, though.
    OK – now call me a racist in your next post.
    Be sure to mention the KKK again.
    Then it’s time for another one of your “growth is good” posts.
    Don’t forget to praise multiculturalism, before the night is over, a..
    Then, let’s have another moral platitude, how about, “We are a nation of immigrants,” this time.
    Oh, and be sure to deny some physics, and some biology, and any ideas about human evolution and genetics.
    =================
    Take the big population all the way, really take it through to its logical endpoint, a..
    Growth is good. Go Army. Nuke Iran!
    USA! USA! Grow! USA! USA! Grow!
    ======================
    wow.
    Standing by for regurgitated racial insult.

  672. charliefoxtrot January 20, 2012 at 12:37 am #

    he may have noticed that i responded; and felt no need so what s your deal, just looking for an excuse to attack mindlessly? your statistics mean nothing to someone who is adversely affected by a population we think shouldn t be here in the first place…i find myself waiting for a coherent response to what i feel are legitimate points- until then…[end transmission]

  673. Vlad Krandz January 20, 2012 at 12:45 am #

    Neither Bill nor Met nor any other will comment. I mean what could they say? They have the Power here, they mean to keep it, extend it, and use it.
    We’re waiting for you Prog. We have the answers you’re looking for – as soon as you have the ears to hear.

  674. BeantownBill January 20, 2012 at 1:01 am #

    You’re right, Vlad. We can’t hide it anymore, Mika and I have all the power here on CFN. When you wake up tomorrow, your computer will not function. We control the horizontal; we control the vertical. We will transport you to the furthest reaches of the outer limits. Kiss your presence on CFN goodbye.

  675. Vlad Krandz January 20, 2012 at 1:10 am #

    Btw, the Statue of Liberty was a gift from the people of France – has nothing whatsoever to do with immigration, huddled masses or wretched scum. A Zionist Poet named Emma Lazarus was allowed to deface the Statue with her poem. The Plan of the Judeo/Masons was very well laid – and of too great a duration for ordinary people to observe or believe.

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  676. Vlad Krandz January 20, 2012 at 1:13 am #

    Ah, humor again little man? Just like you people don’t control Hollywood right? It wears thin sir. You really better get some new material.
    So let’s hear about AIPAC. There’s going to be an Occupy AIPAC you know. The Left is awakening at least.

  677. anti soak January 20, 2012 at 1:25 am #

    ‘We are all immigrants’
    Uh no Soak!
    The red man who crossed the land bridge [If thats how they got here] were Immigrants.

  678. anti soak January 20, 2012 at 1:26 am #

    I think stupid, therefore I am.

  679. anti soak January 20, 2012 at 1:31 am #

    Today on yahoo a ‘worst college majors for jobs’ popped up…
    As usual they got it mostly wrong…
    Theater
    Fashion
    And..Agriculture, Horticulture and Animal science.
    I guess ‘Peak Everything’ isnt Yahoo News.
    ‘ you’re considering going back to school in hopes that you’ll graduate to more opportunities, there are certain degrees that you might want to avoid.
    Consider the National Association of Colleges and Employers’ (NACE) 2012 Job Outlook study, which surveyed ………………’

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  681. xosi0k3js7 January 20, 2012 at 3:23 am #

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  682. IxNoMor January 20, 2012 at 3:26 am #

    WoW!!! Seriously? Immigration and Jew-hate? That’s it, that’s all you can muster?
    Are you fucking morons *BLIND*? Do you not see the rot and decay, and the surface clearcutting? Want to see a real good picture of what oil tar sands are all about?
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    That’s what I call a *NICE CLEANUP JOB*. This shit is visible from deep space. And it’s already depleted!!!

  683. IxNoMor January 20, 2012 at 3:30 am #

    “I think stupid, therefore I am.”
    No argument here. Maybe you should shut that mouth for a few minutes, prior to each *VOMIT*…

  684. xosi0k3js7 January 20, 2012 at 3:35 am #

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  685. IxNoMor January 20, 2012 at 3:39 am #

    “Final note we are truly living in the age of perverse incentives.”
    A voice of sanity, in a sea of douche-baggery. Or, rather, a sea of *SOCK PUPPETRY*. ***MULTITUDES***!!!
    We don’t need to let them overwhelm us with their excessive spam. We can reach a consensus, while those 6-figure-government stalkers are left alienated, and *TYPING WITH ONE HAND*…
    So what will it be – their incessant spam, or our *AWAKENING*?!… Heheh – bah, you know it will be them and theirs…

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  691. xosi0k3js7 January 20, 2012 at 4:02 am #

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  692. old69 January 20, 2012 at 4:23 am #

    Please scroll over the following blocks of text. Please erase all of my posts from the Internet. Thank you.
    Like you want A (a person, a thing, oh, you have a “crush” on A ? fantasizing ? images ? playing around ? instincts ? but rules ? morality ? embaressing ?, etc.) and the next moment you realize what a mistake, “what were you thinking ?”, and maybe the other person “finds out” and may think and do and act and behave in anyway at all from the complete spectrum from hate, aggressive to pure love or whatever (and the thought paths activated between you and the other person, the reciprocal intentionalities path may be and go anywhere and may be put in the strangest and most unpredictable kinds of narratives, you would never have guessed, etc., meanings are switched, mistakes and misunderstandings abound and the real reason you or A does something is C, but then it becomes D and the original reasons are forgotten or become many different ones, ever changing, always a completely new narrative and so on like “first I felt sorry for him” then “I got angry and wanted to punish him” , “what is he crazy to think that or even imagine that?” and then switch back and forth and something else (jealous ? envy ? but I don’t want to be jealous! internal conflicts) and a million new start point to targets and new reasons, new intentionalities changing the whole game) and you switch back and forth yes, no, (and the emotional roller coaster, but the intensity can be even very low level, just slightly, almost purely simply a logical, mental game, almost like playing chess, no emotion or feeling, or it can be extreme feeling, or anything in between and it can last a second, day, year or decades, and the “affair” can go on, mix, be wrong, right and switch all over the place forever) maybe and the other person switches too and the interactions are now random, a new stage from which to start a new mysterious cycle, but also, you can completely forget all what happened, or only remember a part, same for A, other thing(s), person(s) or group(s) or whatever(s) etc. And the same person could have a certain meaning in a certain context, and another in another context, and be part of a general image in yet another context (but wasn’t that person this or that, and didn’t I feel or think or anything with regards to that person according to that other context) and so on. And you can insert that person in a vague internal narrative that defines it (the person, as the person is an it, a thing after all, a chunk of matter) as a tag, a word, a placeholder implying some certain potential interactions (but maybe not, etc.), but then the narrative can change and the reciprocal narrative of the “other”(?) person can also be vague, change, jump all around, or being completely out of synchronization with yours or anyone’s else.
    And all of that drowning in a complex network of potential “intentionalities of Use”, “Intentionalities of Behaviors, Interactions, Games”, “Expectations, Expectations of Great (or shallow or no ?) Outcomes”, “Expectations of Achieving and Happiness (?)”, etc. And all of those networks creating complex, vague feedback loops, influencing each other, conditioning each other…
    Or all may be all very simple you have a very complex and contorted view of all, while the other person, thing, object is simple to the extreme, but you will never know, or even if you know for you it may become even more complex, or maybe very simple or maybe you will forget all, etc.
    All of that just to prove to you how our Man Brain, our thoughts, and logic and reasoning is the most artificial thing possible and all of the talk of nature is totally absurd as we are “Not Nature” to the extreme.
    To Busty and similar posts:
    “and gaze out across a landscape of rotting decay.”
    But you wouldn’t know it was rotting and decay if you didn’t remember how it was, but how it was was only temporary, man is the infinitely programmable machine that can get used to anything, and anything can become the new normal. Who said that our previous clean landscape was ever normal, or was supposed to be like that forever ? things change, all changes, and most changes are almost always for the worse, just suck it up, deal with it: the global economy, the increase of technology and the industrial revolution and all the forces that have jumped around and played with themselves in the last 200 to 300 years have been very unpredictable (and then, what is it with this idea of predicting things ? who ever thought things are predictable in the first place ? go figure), chaotic, and can and will go anywhere at all no matter how much we try to figure them out: that is why the Standard Economic Model is so useless, it is mostly just wishful thinking, always forcing the world to abide to an imaginary fairy tale model of the world that is not operating and probably has never operated (if only slightly for only 20 to 30 years from the 1960s to the 1990s but with a very specific level of technology, population, degree of globalization, in very specific countries, nay, specific regions of countries, etc.)
    OK, true, I say way too much crap here and elsewhere but may I say this, seriously: no matter how many times we try to analyze, figure out, think it out, and no matter how many new things I say, or anyone else says, and no matter how much or how many times anything else, a fundamental constraint, limit, law is and will always be operating within the society, economy, you name it: the constraint of conflicting people over everything and anything, there is no way out of this, there will always be a boatload of contradictions, unresolved conflicts (just like my “unresolved internal conflicts”), contention of resources, fighting over resources or jobs or goods or status, political programs, you name it. Man is fight, and fight is the name of the game and all of the attempts at find some general rules, some objective rules that are correct and by which a society should govern itself are destined to fail or in the best case be partially successful, but always partially, no matter what.
    And every time you may reach an equilibrium, a steady state (even after you say a million blocks of texts, you live through a million experiences thinking that now you know, now you are ok, now you will not make a mistake) you can be sure that something, anything, any random interaction will tip it off balance again, will start the game rolling all over again, and there you go again, start analyzing all over again, find solutions to “that new problem” (but mostly likely that same old problems that have been around forever), etc.
    We are and man is and society is and economy is instability from the outset, permanent problems mode structurally, permanently unresolved, unstable, permanently without any solution.
    Now, go on give me another block of texts explaining what is wrong and what we need to do.
    Is that all there is to life ? yes that is all, it is a one transistor circuit, very simple, very nothing, very empty and bare and useless. Just juggle 2 or 3 bits and you will be happy. Free you mind, do not think of anything, it is all a “waste of time” (but isn’t time always wasted from the outset ? isn’t time a waste by definition ?).

  693. xosi0k3js7 January 20, 2012 at 4:26 am #

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  694. Vlad Krandz January 20, 2012 at 4:28 am #

    Chivalry died with the Estonia and is even deader with the Concordia. You see we have a saying over here: freedom isn’t free. And neither is equality, a form of freedom. Women wanted equality but now don’t want to pay the price for it which is taking the bad with the good and the responsibility with the pleasure. No atheists in foxholes and no feminists in lifeboats.
    .http://www.the-spearhead.com/2012/01/18/lifeboat-feminism-in-practical-application/

  695. old69 January 20, 2012 at 6:22 am #

    Myth of Services
    Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal (and EU, JAPAN and USA) must grow their economy (to pay back impossible debts), they must generate more goods and “Services”: now exactly what do they mean by services ? it seems that the fewer services “we need”, the fewer pains in the a*s in terms of interactions, relationships with other entities THE BETTER, the richer we actually are, the easier life is; the simpler the things we need to get implies fewer services, not more services. Who on earth wants to deal with more services ? what exactly are they talking about ? Oh, I see, all of that huge flufforama, complexity of having a million different credit cards, a million different ways to pay for the same BS, all of those consultants to tell you about all of these new discoveries about the economy and “Productivity”, all the new restaurant types and especially all of the new sicknesses and pills and psycho sicknesses, behavioral sicknesses, you name it sicknesses you can imagine so that there can be a million different new fangled kinds of pills, new doctor types, new “social worker” types, new specialized “nurses”(better if hot and horny!) types new health care center buildings and “services” and types, new exams, new tests, new [and put in any word of anything useless, not needed, just complicating your life, aggravating it, etc.] things.
    And that is what must increase, we need more of all of that, get it ? We need to invent ever more things “we never knew we needed” to then count them in a computer and count how many of those there are and make the number of those things increase so the GDP of those failed and bankrupt countries start showing that they are “growing again” so that the financial jokers and poker game card players can trust that, if their economies grow they will eventually pay back their debts.
    Now, honestly, how idiotic can you get ? you couldn’t make this stuff up!
    I don’t believe in the Services economy, I think it is all BS, I think more services make everyone worse off, I think the less services we need and have the better and richer we are. There. I said it.
    I also think no one in those EU countries and most of the world see the real problem: it will be impossible to create enough real jobs to pay back the debts, because extra jobs are no longer needed structurally because a Technological Economy kills jobs, doesn’t create them: also add in that we now have millions of new workers and areas of the world producing the “goods” part of the economy (think your LCD TV in South Korea, think China, India (your software ?), think Brazil, Indonesia, etc.) and you can be sure that the USA, EU and JAPAN are headed for a huge gradual economic contraction that will last years.
    There is truly only so much BS that you can make up as services, it won’t work, you can’t fool yourselves any longer…
    To Busty:
    “Yum, yum, yum – I’m not fat, I JUST LIKE FOOD!”
    “They eat their Pot Pies and watch cable TV ”
    You have deeply acquired a “Pleasure must be punished” mode of reasoning from you prior christian religion: but since you need to believe in god since you need to believe in absolutes, you have transferred that god to that huge turd called Nature, and since we punish nature by using it for our pleasure, we must all be punished. Nice job of fooling yourself, of making believe you don’t believe in god anymore.
    We need ever more pleasure forever for all because we simply must be honest and say to ourselves: we are slobs, filthy slobs that just want pleasure and fun, and there is no god and therefore: EAT, DRINK AND BE MERRY AND THEN YOU DIE.

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  696. Alexandra January 20, 2012 at 7:57 am #

    @ Vladdie darling…
    You’re approving of cowardice then – seeing it as a natural extension of our recently found sexual equality – how terribly disappointing…
    I’d love to know what your ‘take’ and definition of ‘womanhood’ is? Not wearing trousers obviously or ever challenging (hen-pecking) the master for sure. I guess too, no contraception and endless children attached to the teat…
    Ironically, that cruise ship disaster was driven by Capt’ Francisco Schettino ‘masculine’ ego trait of show-boating, allowing him a night sail by salute of an olde pal… Giglio isle bound. A trick he’d pulled off before, by flagrantly breaking company rules. Handling the massive ship like a ‘Ferrari’ with a young blonde Miss Cemortan half his age at his bridge side…
    (Recklessness that caused 11 people to die and 24 are still unaccounted for)
    Perhaps his mother had overly spoiled him as a child? Which would go some way to explain his narcissistic behavioural problems from overindulgence… and his dereliction of duty due to a total lack of consideration for the 3000+ passengers…?? Which is why he will show no remorse during his trial.
    I have no doubt that he’ll serve the 12 years in prison… perhaps only then he’ll have a little more ‘quiet’ time to reflect on the serious error of his ways…
    So you see Vlad, it’s never, ever too late to turn the ship around and seek true enlightenment… you just need to have a well set moral compass.

  697. 8man January 20, 2012 at 8:02 am #

    Please scroll past these blocks of texts. Please erase all of my posts from the Internet. Please erase the Internet. Thank you.
    People are simply chunks of matter with a block of text attached. So when 2 people encounter each other their blocks of text collide and that generates 2 new blocks of text in their mind ready to collide again, and the cycle repeats. But it is mostly a game of testing what opposes our will power, the opposing will power games, we want A and the other person may or may not want the same or similar or slightly different hence the debate, interaction, the colliding and interacting blocks of text (and that is why people want to eat and stay together to feel they have a similar will power wanting the same things, friend or foe, but mostly a slight game of approval and disapproval, but mostly approval as we are all friends, etc.). And even our face, body, situation, all of those objective invariants of which we cannot do much about (the girl wants a pretty face but has an ugly one, etc.) seem to be part of an abstract will power opposing ours (and we try a surgery to fix a face, body and make it prettier and such) with the idea that in some strange way our invariants are actually dependent on our will power, when they are a given, independent: as if our ugly face is saying something that we don’t want to say since it gives a given reaction of disgust from the other person, as if that can depend on my will power, but it can’t, it is independent but we still create a guilt complex on something that we didn’t do or choose but gets associated with our will power and wanting it. So we try to compensate in all possible ways, but, lets face it, nothing you can do can make ugly pretty, so just give up and accept it (especially if pretty also means pretty body, sound of voice, way of moving in others word hot and even more than hot, intriguing and so forth, and then add nice and interesting blocks of text that pretty chunk of matter emits and there is then no comparison, matter just decided that one chunk is better than another and you are the bad chunk, the envious, jealous bad one full of guilt because you know you are the bad one and you suck and you assign it your own fault when matter and that huge turd of nature decided for you). As if the ugly face is a set of symbols that you always say but goes completely against what you want to say therefore embarrasses you, makes you lose a win/lose game, it opposes your will power but it is saying it all the same.
    And even more interesting is the association of a pretty face with a block of text and how the block of text changes and becomes more interesting and almost acceptable independent of what the block of text says: if San Jose Mommy’s (by the way, will you be my mommy, please ? I need a mommy more than I need to get laid, I haven’t had a boner in 20 years, go figure, will you be my mommy ? pretty please ? I can play in the backyard while you cook..and I need a spanking too!) hot and horny teenage slut talks, then whatever she says, whatever block of text becomes “pretty” interesting, but only because a pretty chunk of matter is emitting the symbols, but the symbols get confused and interact with the other parts of the chunk of matter, while if that old piece of crap Alexandra talks (maybe she was hot when she was young, but she is now a horny slut that plays with vlad’s black d*ldo, go figure) any block of text she emits becomes a huge pile of crap and false: the independence of the symbols emitted from the chunk of matter no longer holds, the symbols get contaminated by the emitting chunk of matter.
    TOBOR

  698. tegmark January 20, 2012 at 8:18 am #

    Please scroll past these blocks of texts. Please erase all of my posts from the Internet. Please erase the Internet. Thank you.
    Since the chinese spammer is emitting all of those weird symbols, so cool! I love the fact that I can’t understand them, they must mean something really cool and interesting…. then I will take a stab at emitting a set of symbols that represent a new design and schematic and block diagram of a new modified mind (or mind – brain ? or man – brain ? ):
    £K$KK&KMKM&G&çG;ç;&çG;ç;ç;H°;°$/%(&
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    Wow! Who knows what is going on in those neural circuits, in those symbol processors and information to matter converters, in those healthy emotional to symbolic converters, etc…
    Each symbol must be a completely different circuit, a metaphysical recursion engine producing the structure of abstract, each set of symbols must be an equation, an interaction, a wild new universe that is colliding with the next set of symbols, but the delimitations and words are not given, it must be figured out, whoow, it will take many trillions upon trillions of man years to finally understand that new mind….

  699. lbendet January 20, 2012 at 8:21 am #

    Yes,
    And Alexandra the Captain’s explanation for why he was in a lifeboat was because in the dark he ripped and fell right into a lifeboat and couldn’t get up!!
    Speaking of scallywags, I’m not one for gossip but Neocon-Newt is just too good to pass on. This guy’s a pig. And don’t forget he once told me that turning back Roe v Wade would never happen.
    Newt’s X shares the dirt:
    On Young Turks last night the story of Newt’s affair goes on to describe how Newt invited Callista into his conjugal bed when his wife was away. At night he would call his wife while Callista listened in. He told his wife that he loved her at the end of the call. Boy what a laugh that must have been. You could just imagine the laughter and the great sex afterwards…
    Gee I hope he at least changed the sheets!!!

  700. ozone January 20, 2012 at 8:24 am #

    Ix,
    You’re probably correct (witness recent projectile regurgitation; ‘tho I found your post despite it). However, enough real pain will make this very dangerous for the practitioners.
    Remember there is always a reckoning. Recent serious hackings of gum’mint sites show that the push-back is galloping closer by the hour. This causes real problems. Let’s also see how much impact this [quite small] magnetic storm has, eh?
    Keep your head down and powder dry…
    …and place yer bets! ;o)

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  701. asoka. January 20, 2012 at 9:12 am #

    My thoughts are with those in Washington State who have suffered from the ice storm. 300,000 are without electricity. The governor has declared an emergency.
    I hope k-dog, Lewis, and Vlad are OK, and anyone who lives in the Issaquah or Auburn area. Stay safe.

  702. ozone January 20, 2012 at 9:26 am #

    A.,
    Here’s a piece from William Bowles that describes the dimensions of the FUSA’s pickle. (Simply replace any mention of the UK with FUSA and, magically, there it is!)
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30291.htm
    I think the beginning of the devolution happened EARLIER in this country, but was on a LONGER timeline, so it wasn’t as noticeable and gave the MSM a bit more time to craft the veils and obfuscation propaganda. This is possibly why there seems to be so much elbow-room for irrelevant crapola on this site (amongst others). The frog doesn’t know it’s being boiled alive, as long as the temperature comes up sloooowly enough…
    What DOES surprise me is that the UK took the exact same suicidal path to ultimate ruin! That’s a head-scratcher, as there was plenty of time to analyze what went so drastically wrong in the US… must have been huge piles of lucre to be creamed from the clusterfuck, I’d guess.

  703. ozone January 20, 2012 at 9:34 am #

    Ewwwww!
    “The Newt” is indeed a slimy salamander, who lives under a rotted log.
    Why does anybody listen to these reprehensible fucks (much less actually VOTE for them)??? Sure, they’re backed by the media, but c’mon, credibility has been more than stretched, it was snapped, brutally raped and abandoned MILES back down the road.

  704. ozone January 20, 2012 at 9:43 am #

    …We now return you to the paid agent-provocateurs of our destruction.
    (As Newt’s X is called “despicable” by the Salamander hisself, also characterizing her accusations as “an attack by the elite media”. More bizarrely Orwellian by the hour! Don’t forget to VOTE for a candidate of Corporate choosing; don’t waste it on anyone not in the media’s tightening circle of attention.)

  705. Alexandra January 20, 2012 at 9:48 am #

    @ Lbendet
    Indeed the return of the ‘Gingrich’ – he could very well win the Republican nomination.
    (Borrowing from Mr. Ferguson)
    ‘For Americans utterly fed up with President Obama’s repeated failure to feed the five thousand, cure the lame and turn water into wine, there is something irresistibly attractive about a man who embodies so many human frailties.’
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/9026988/US-election-2012-Newt-Gingrich-appalled-at-CNN-question-about-his-ex-wife.html
    Perry’s thrown in the towel it seems, so it does look like the play-off now will be between Newt and Mitt Romney. Though why this should generate the level of ‘excitement’ it does both sides of the Atlantic… totally baffles me?
    Two party politics both in the UK and USA as a functional ‘concept’ is dead end. Talk is cheap, walking the ‘talk’ far harder to ever pull off. And more worryingly both camps Red/Blue Left/Right increasingly want more legally sanctioned control of its citizens or subjects. 1984… back to the future it would seem.
    But I doubt it will happen, as the doyens, PTB head gauchos of the republican party know that Gingrich (the sinner) v (saintly) Obama is a game loser… where as the money/Wall St folk fully get the concept of putting a private-equity guy in the White House… they win/win either way.
    (Exactly what Romney is)
    And QE’ing and a quality campaign push by Obama’s team come the summer will really lay the pressure on, so it will then be a close finish for sure…
    And Vlad look away, all the independents, blacks and Latino’s will muster behind Obama once more…as what else can they really do?
    (Well we CFN’ers do know… but people ‘out there’ are not ready for that type of change yet)

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  706. ozone January 20, 2012 at 10:13 am #

    “(Well we CFN’ers do know… but people ‘out there’ are not ready for that type of change yet)” -Alexandra
    This awareness only comes from not being allowed in the breadline due to improper credentials. ‘Til then, the constraint and corralling will continue unabated, [generally] unquestioned and unhindered.

  707. lbendet January 20, 2012 at 10:20 am #

    Alexandra,
    Both our countries are a disaster for their citizens.
    I think people are indeed ready for change, at least the literate ones are. Progressives and people like Dylan Ratigan who discuss the ideas of hot-spotting as a way to put efficient capital into worthy programs/endeavors and private enterprise.–but our politics are so far behind…we will never get there.
    The liars who denounce government–who don’t want us to remember how well this country once functioned between a strong central government and business without actually going over the edge to fascism, will continue to obfuscate reality. They, will fight with us for the last dollar of our social safety net while coveting that money for themselves and the privatized security-military complex. (no more Industrial–that’s why we build wealth on debt for a special few).
    Seems to me that the last 30 years has been the American Revolution betrayed. We are now the subjects of BP and fight wars for them and the other big oil transnationals.
    There is no protection of the nation or its constitution because as I keep saying the sovereign nation state is all but illusion for its citizens who think they are voting for someone who will feed the nation-state.
    In the eyes of the global elite it is all over now. Presently we are entering into a moment when a tiny few will have 100% monetary, energy and military hegemony, but nothing will go back to the citizens.
    Yes our young people will fight the wars and get nothing back. The US will not get the oil or any of the spoils of war, but a select few who are above the law will be continually enriched.
    Eventually, we will all be North Korean.

  708. ozone January 20, 2012 at 10:25 am #

    Now hear this:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/20/us-usa-holder-mortgage-idUSTRE80J0PH20120120
    Allllrighty then, any questions why “certain persons” still roam free to scam and pillage?
    …I thought not.

  709. ozone January 20, 2012 at 10:26 am #

    I forgot to add: and THAT’S “what gives”!

  710. Rhino January 20, 2012 at 10:37 am #

    We’re so sorry perfesser. Yeah, we’re fucking blind. We need your enlightened leadership. So we’ll check in with you from now on and you can tell us what to talk about. After all, you’re so much smarter than the rest of us.

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  711. dale January 20, 2012 at 10:38 am #

    Perry’s thrown in the towel it seems, so it does look like the play-off now will be between Newt and Mitt Romney.
    ————————————
    It is something of a relief to know that the Republicans have finally found a candidate that is too stupid even for them.

  712. SNAFU January 20, 2012 at 10:51 am #

    Howdy Vlad, Per your comment clip: “No atheists in foxholes and no feminists in lifeboats.”
    Have you ever been in a foxhole or a lifeboat or even been at a time and space such that the utilization of either was a necessity? Somehow I have doubts that you have.
    I was an atheist when I arrived in country, Da Nang May 65, and when I left. Arrived brainwashed/convinced we were there to save the free world; left left with opened eyes/realization we were there to kill the hell out of people who I found I liked better than many of my so called countrymen.
    This is a no shit incident experienced first night at the Da Nang. We had bed down in our mosquito netted hammocks, in tents, and I had promptly fallen asleep (a handy talent). About midnight all hell appeared to break loose, the ground shook, the interior of tent filled with flashes of light all accompanied with a sound similar to rolling thunder. As I sat up an NCO passed by me in what appeared to be a cartoon motion as to this day my visualization of him is traveling horizontally feet trailing behind him. He dove into the sand bagged foxhole directly outside the tent. As I was looking out the end of the tent I could see the tree line illuminated by the flashes and exiting the flashes I observed the telltale streaks of projectiles leaving. To this day I recall thinking “outgoing” and rolled over and proceeded to fall back asleep. Next morning the NCO was still in the foxhole. Found out that excitement was provided courtesy of an Army 155 battery set up about 1000 feet from our tents.
    Survival in an adverse situation can most likely be attributed to luck, planning/training, instinctive actions/reactions and more luck. If a sniper shoots you, a bomb/mortar lands near you, or you step on a mine whilst you are unaware of them me thinks you are SOL. Praying to an invisible deity in the sky for help appears to be of little value since if he/she/it gave a shit you and the others would not have been put in such a situation in the first place.
    SNAFU

  713. Rhino January 20, 2012 at 11:07 am #

    Then how do you explain US oil consumption, contracting from a year ago, since we got all those MILLIONS of LEGAL immigrants you so worried about. How do you explain the USA having so much production surplus that the USA is selling to other places? – Asoka
    So what are you saying, that the Earth is producing oil faster than we’re consuming it?
    Are you saying that this business about depletion of the Earth’s reserves of oil is just a monstrous fraud?
    Is it just misinformation from oil industry propaganda organizations to restrict the pumping of oil and therefore boost the price per barrel and boost oil company bottom lines and CEO bonuses?

  714. ozone January 20, 2012 at 11:11 am #

    “It is something of a relief to know that the Republicans have finally found a candidate that is too stupid even for them.” -dale
    LOL
    Yes, it’s pretty obvious that the strategy of the Greedy Old Pederasts party is to avoid any culpability in the collapse of the FUSA by virtue of not “winning”. After all, Obama is the bestest [semi-]covert operative they’ve ever had! ;o)

  715. ozone January 20, 2012 at 11:23 am #

    I admire your attempt to make hide-bound idealogues spark a few synapses with some experiential reality, but………….. ah, you know.

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  716. Rhino January 20, 2012 at 11:28 am #

    You can look at your statistics purporting to show whatever.
    I’ll give you an example of what’s happened in real life: my home town used to have a plant that employed 2,000 workers (including my father) at decent wages for about 50 years. It’s GONE. Nothing there but a huge empty field.
    My grandfather used to work in a nearby scrapyard for reasonably good wages. It’s GONE. Also nothing there but an empty field.
    My grandmother used to work at a commercial laundry. It’s GONE. The building is boarded up and falling to pieces.
    My mother used to work fo a ladies wear shop. It’s GONE. Boarded up too.
    My aunts used to work at a shoe factory. It’s GONE. Boarded up.
    They even tore down my elementary school. Just a depressing empty field where it used to be.
    The population of the town is down by 30% from its peak. The downtown is just boarded up buildings.
    This is nothing unique. Happening all over for the last four decades.
    This is just one example of what’s happening with de-industrialization brought on by offshoring or globalization as some would call it.
    Now, I don’t mean to bore but these places employed a multitude of immigrants. People came in the post war era, dirt poor and uneducated and got decent paying work.
    And now?
    You can tout all the statistics you want, cooked up by who knows who, to shill for who knows what organization(s).
    Problem is ASSoka, I have eyes as do people around me.
    You can blue-sky all you want (like the Soviet politburo) about how great things are, about hwo wonderful life is. But I’m not buying the bullshit.
    And you want to bring in millions more people when there aren’t jobs for them. Because that’s why they come, to look for jobs.
    Do you so detest the sorry assed people immigrating here? Is it malice motivating you?

  717. ront January 20, 2012 at 11:43 am #

    As the word “public” is found at the heart of “Republican,” as in Party, I offer a change for the sake of truth and accuracy:
    Let the GOP be called The Reprivatean party.

  718. Rhino January 20, 2012 at 11:45 am #

    “My answer is: MAYBE.
    I am interested in the well-being of ALL, including the 1% and the 99% (which equals 100%).
    Pitchforks, firearms, and nooses do not interest me. I am not angry. I am happy. I do not want harm to come to anyone.’ – Asoka
    Maybe?
    OK well at least it’s an answer. And here’s a question: why the fuck do the 1% need YOU to shill for THEM? Especially given the damage they’ve done? Or maybe you didn’t notice.
    Here’s what I’m interested in: decent jobs for people, immigrants and non immigrants alike.
    Am I angry? Fucking right, yes, you know why? Because I can see the economic prospects for working people (like my parents and grandparents) steadily diminishing because of deliberate govt policies that smile on offshoring work while at the same time opening the borders. And I’ve seen what happens to ordinary folk, immigrant and non immigrant alike as a result.
    Here’s some friendly advice (and this is assuming you really are interested in the well being of the 99%): Pull your head out of your ass.

  719. Rhino January 20, 2012 at 12:16 pm #

    Pitchforks, firearms, and nooses do not interest me. – asoka
    Well fucking excuse me your majesty. I should have known better than to raise such miniscule concerns as jobs and income with someone as high and mighty as you, yourself, the exalted Assoka.
    You showed your class loyalties as plain as can be with THAT comment. And your disdain for the ordinary man/woman, your beloved immigrant included. Looks like you despise them as much as you do whitey. Am I right?
    Pitchforks, firearms and nooses my ass.

  720. 8man January 20, 2012 at 12:59 pm #

    Interactions between groups of people, between 2 people are always a person searching for confirmation for himself, always looking for a good judgment, or any judgment, or any trigger of a flow of thoughts in the other person or any possible conditioning of the other person’s will power by making him answer and interact, etc. So this flow of interactions make it seem that you are always winning because you are forcing an interaction, getting confirmed, a slight win/lose game based on talking to pretty or interesting: you want to talk to pretty because you want to be reflected in the acceptance from pretty and associate youself with that acceptance, etc. So we want pretty to reflect ourselves in.
    Snob, but by explaining it always you think you can put yourself on top of it and be superior to it and compensate the imaginary or real or subtle good judgments you are not getting by pretending to be outside of it and rationalizing it: sore loser, no way jose’, nothing you think or any truth you reach will ever compensate the experience of interaction and receiving a good judgment and being accepted, recognized or loved, liked, or whatever.
    And then those who may work – force on some detached task that will give them an indirect confirmation or acceptance, but the deatched item may interact once evey now and then, maybe once a year, or every ten years so all the expectations are thrown on only those very low frequency interactions: the lower the frequency the higher the expectations, better many more often and lower expectations, or none at all, so you just give up and you are not a slave of the need to interact and be affirmed and judged well, loved, etc. you just cancel the function that forces you to interact and that assigns non interaction as you supposing to feel bad.

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  721. Vlad Krandz January 20, 2012 at 1:25 pm #

    You’re changing the subject and then going on the attack – a classic feminine tactic. Anything than argue the point: men’s lives are just as important as women’s. It’s the Captain’s duty to be the last one off – which he obviously failed at. Yes, despicable. But it’s not men’s duty to let women live at the expense of their own lives. That social contract is dead – women killed it. You want us to behave like Victorian Gentlemen? Then you have to behave like Victorian Ladies. See how easy logic is? Try it!
    The seminal Men’s Rights author Warren Farrell told of a Female Captain who crashed a ship into a dock – injuring many. She was given alot of sympathy because of the trauma of it all. A man would have been given zero sympathy. The double standard is huge. Also when it comes to the Law, women routinely get lighter sentences for the same crimes.

  722. Vlad Krandz January 20, 2012 at 1:29 pm #

    Yes there are exceptions to every rule – at least in the human realm. But perhaps you are blocking out what you felt during those moments of terror -since it isn’t acceptable to your self image? Just a thought. Many of the Spanish Communists justly put to death by Franco, reconverted to Catholicism towards the end.

  723. Vlad Krandz January 20, 2012 at 1:47 pm #

    Atheism is the opiate of the intellectuals.

  724. ront January 20, 2012 at 1:48 pm #

    Here is a young fellow onto something.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IAhDGYlpqY&feature=player_embedded

  725. Vlad Krandz January 20, 2012 at 1:55 pm #

    The ordinary Leftist has amazingly little compassion for the people whom they claim to love. Ideology is not the same as patriotism – which by its very nature is for one place and people and not universal. The average Leftist has a “patriotism” or loyalty for his own class. Kind of like the Jews, borders don’t matter that much so the “place” is excluded. Many of them feel more kinship with Liberals and Leftists in Europe and elsewhere than they do with Conservative Americans.

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  726. Rhino January 20, 2012 at 2:10 pm #

    From what I’ve seen the ordinary Leftist is contemptuous of the people they claim to love. Just look at Assoka’s nooses and pitchforks comment.
    Look at the moral support they gave to murderers like Stalin and Mao. Never mind the eyewitness accounts of people that came out of the Soviet and Chinese abattoirs – this was mass slaughter all done for a good cause, the remaking of society to the Leftist taste, in pursuit of “justice” or at least the Leftist conception of it.
    But never mind. What the leftist experiment was all about was to show that a man can be trained like a dog.

  727. Rhino January 20, 2012 at 2:23 pm #

    Everyone reacts differently in times of mortal danger. I know one guy that was in North Africa in WW2. He said he used to shit his pants all the time. I know another guy that said he would drop to the ground as stiff as a board from sheer terror under artillery fire.

  728. Widespreadpanic7 January 20, 2012 at 2:33 pm #

    The price of natural gas is at a 10 year low. Supplies are abundant, and T Boone Pickens predicts that nat gas prices could fall to all time lows soon.
    Is this just a bubble, or has something fundamentally changed since Jim wrote TLE in 2004?
    Pickens is of the opinion that we could run the whole show here on natural gas alone, and it could (almost) replace petroleum. How much is there in the US, and is Pickens right?
    –WSP7

  729. ront January 20, 2012 at 2:34 pm #

    “Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men.” –Martin Luther King, Jr
    Coincidently, today, both are known as drones.
    2: one that lives on the labors of others : parasite
    3: an unmanned aircraft or ship guided by remote control

  730. asoka. January 20, 2012 at 3:16 pm #

    I am glad you are expressing your anger. Back in those glory days of your father and grandfather, Blacks were experiencing what you are experiencing now.
    They were called “angry Black men” and imprisoned by the millions. I guess you are getting a taste of what it was like for us in the 50s after fighting in WWII and coming home to discrimination and high unemployment and desperation, and the kind of anger you are feeling right now.

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  731. progress2conserve January 20, 2012 at 3:18 pm #

    “WoW!!! Seriously? Immigration ….. ? That’s it, that’s all you can muster?
    Are you fucking morons *BLIND*? Do you not see the rot and decay, and the surface clearcutting? Want to see a real good picture of what oil tar sands are all about?” -ix, seeing forest but no trees-
    IX, pick your poison – tar sands, Brazilian (and other) clearcutting, fracking, US Military Adventuring in the Middle East –
    IX, all of it comes down to keeping the cheap? energy and cheap? stuff coming into the 1st world countries – flowing OUT of the 2nd and 3rd world countries.
    Why? Because the 1st world has the capital.
    And the 3rd world has what’s LEFT OF the resources.
    Enter US immigration and population growth rates into the discussion. The US may be going slowly down as an independent economy with a strong middle class. But we are the NUMERO UNO consumers of the world’s resources.
    The more souls in the US – the more we consume.
    The more we consume, the worse the damage done to keep us in resources – in an endless death spiral.
    Are you aware that about 90% of the INCREASE in US consumption of fossil fuels over the past 25 years is due to US population growth. Are you aware that US population growth for the past 25 years would have been near ZERO without immigration.
    Some of you CFN’ers do some admirable stuff – cold water showers, eschewing private cars, riding bikes, putting up solar.
    Noble stuff – but nearly meaningless in the face of 1,000,000 LEGAL immigrants coming into the US every year. It’s all about the numbers.
    http://www.cis.org/

  732. progress2conserve January 20, 2012 at 3:38 pm #

    Here’s an interesting website.
    http://www.realists.org/
    And here’s an excerpt of a review of a book available for free from the .org website above.
    “As an intellectual concept about God, atheism is part of theology.
    In a backlash against intellectual suppression and religious violence during the Inquisition, reactionary theologians created the cult of atheism out of whole cloth!
    There is no empirical evidence to support the myth of atheism; yet, it is wrongly perceived as having scientific veracity. Atheistic theologians impose their beliefs on vulnerable children in elementary schools around the globe. The results of that forced indoctrination have proven to be disastrous!
    Atheistic ideology caused the violent revolutions of: Russia, China, Cuba, Vietnam, Cambodia and Korea. It also caused: the Korean and Vietnam wars, the Cold War, the Arms Race and left us with stockpiles of deteriorating nuclear, biological and chemical weapons that are now falling into the hands of atheistic and religious terrorists!
    Traditional theologians, who’s predecessors burned people at the stake for the slightest variation of dogma during the Inquisition, became so intimated by the rebellion of the atheists that they now feel compelled to “tolerate” the most radical beliefs about God – even atheism!
    If ‘religion is the opiate of the masses;’ atheism is the opiate of the intellectual classes!”
    I’m probably out ’till Sunday.
    Y’all have fun now, you hear.

  733. Vlad Krandz January 20, 2012 at 3:51 pm #

    Thank you Asoka. I’m to the East of Eden and am fine. Just lots of snow but no outages.
    Blacks don’t take the cold as well as Whites. During the Korean War, Black GI’s suffered from frostbite at a much higher rate than Whites.
    An Angel with a Flaming Sword prevents Blacks from ever entering the Path of Higher Civilization. Individual Blacks of Merit should focus mostly on their own path. Of course, in your own Societies more might be possible if one such was born to high status.

  734. Widespreadpanic7 January 20, 2012 at 4:04 pm #

    Ya, P2C, right now I’m reading an autobiography by a high level Polish communist who eventually converted to Christ and left the communist party, defecting to the US in the 1980s. Anyway, he says some astonishing stuff about attacks on the Catholic and Orthodox churches, both physical and political, by organs in the Soviet and eastern block governments. For millions of citizens in the east the Church was the only refuge from the brutality of the communist parties who ran those places. Did you ever hear of “The Committee of the Godless”, or the “Atheist League”. These were powerful organizations inside Russia and Poland whose job it was to burn down churches and beat up believers on behalf of the government. That’s not me saying this, its Romauld Spasowski in “The Liberation of One”. He should know, he was in charge of them.
    Maybe some of you CFNers would like to see a ‘committe of the Godless’ here in the USA, working out of Democratic Party HQ? Cynk Uger could be in charge of it.
    –WSP7

  735. k-dog January 20, 2012 at 4:22 pm #

    I’m fine.
    If you peek at k-dog I have something on our ice storm under ‘featured content’ on my videos page.

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  736. anti soak January 20, 2012 at 4:28 pm #

    WHAT STATE AND COUNTY?

  737. anti soak January 20, 2012 at 4:32 pm #

    HAHAHHAHA
    That brought a laugh.

  738. anti soak January 20, 2012 at 4:33 pm #

    Kiss your presence on CFN goodbye.
    Wish I could say the same of you…………….

  739. Vlad Krandz January 20, 2012 at 4:35 pm #

    Indian sheeple line up to get Mark of the Beast.
    http://www.infowars.com/cashless-society-india-implements-first-biometric-id-program-for-all-of-its-1-2-billion-residents/

  740. anti soak January 20, 2012 at 4:37 pm #

    In US did ya know the OFFICIAL COUNT for newborns with Mother getting food aid is 50%?
    And most babies born here are ‘minority’
    [Hows that oxymoron..60% is ‘minority!]
    [Minority means third world].

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  741. anti soak January 20, 2012 at 4:41 pm #

    ‘we will all be North Korean’
    No, Communist China…which is NKs enabler.

  742. anti soak January 20, 2012 at 4:48 pm #

    See P2Cs comment about who is using energy in USA.

  743. Vlad Krandz January 20, 2012 at 5:06 pm #

    The ordinary man can be trained like a dog. The proof? It’s been done – just look around. The Solution? None per se. The answer is to severely limit the power the ordinary man has – and to train the talented tenth in their responsibilities as citizens. And then test them before allowing them anywhere near a voting booth.

  744. lbendet January 20, 2012 at 5:23 pm #

    If the CEOs and Milton Friedman globalists insist on this continued wealth extraction of our economy, we will be more poor than China. More like NK. Eating dirt and bark.

  745. ozone January 20, 2012 at 5:53 pm #

    Was this post for the simple sake of provocation?
    If not, lemme just say this very briefly:
    You’ve got a giant shitload more to worry about than some atheist cult followers comin’ round yer patch to burn you and yours at the stake! Methinks us non-believers will have to be a mite suspicious of youse rabid Krishans from now on. Happy? Good. You’ve properly sown your childish fears of the unknown, hope you enjoy the fruits.
    Man, what you’re on about here is just whacked, and didn’t even deserve this piddling response (if you’re actually afear’d of “them godless heathens”).

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  746. Alexandra January 20, 2012 at 6:11 pm #

    @ Vlad Krandz
    You really are a one trick prick pony, much like ole69 is too…. just because some patronising male ideology author hero of yours states ‘something’ doesn’t make it absolutely true.
    (Sounds more like an urban sad-man inferiority-complex fallacy to me)
    Unlike the reality of the 2003 Staten Island Ferry crash, yet another boat driven by a man, Richard ‘Dick’ Smith…
    So there is absolutely no point, on my part of getting into any discussion about anything with you because you’re a myopic Neanderthal… and I don’t buy the BS re: the female captain special favours story either…
    Any woman that attains rank, making her responsible for others would expect no condescending let off treatment if things go badly wrong… I wouldn’t for sure, and neither does our current monarch Elisabeth II. Interestingly most Brits do not want to see her son taking over the royal reigns from her, seeing him as an infinitely inferior option for the level of level-headed duty required.
    We woman quietly accept that the world is ruled by men, in the private sector men get better pay for parity level work with women… and once you get to third world nations a woman’s lot drops quickly to medieval levels. And when it comes to crime yet again you bleat but don’t care to vocalise the greater facts…
    First and foremost it pays overwhelmingly to be WHITE… especially for drug crimes and for bank robberies, where it brings you a big advantage if you’re being sentenced for a federal crime. And lest we forget if you’re a WASP male bankster – then you can get away with stealing mega money scott-free, oft with a hand-shake and then a flit into a top govt’ job off the back of it.
    And the only reason women may get lighter sentencing is once more due to sexist paternalism among the mostly (male) judges doing the sentencing; whom see women as less than fully functioning adults, therefore being less capable of being fully responsible for their own actions… (total bullshit again)… but hey-ho once more its you boyz doing the critical thinking.
    And fret not baby, forget about me harbouring any penis envy… what’s more interesting to me is why men such as yourself have such a ‘great’ need to keep women like me down, and why are you so lacking in compassion, is the fear of emasculation too overwhelming for you? If so..
    Is this why you and your fellow Nazis are so terribly threatened and frightened of the superior physicality in a muscular sense of the well endowed black man?

  747. Widespreadpanic7 January 20, 2012 at 6:23 pm #

    Hey Oz, ready for some snow?
    Finally!
    –WSP7

  748. 8man January 20, 2012 at 6:35 pm #

    May I intercede on god – atheism and such: no one knows, there is no right answer, you can only say to the question:
    Does god exist ? I don’t know. End of story.
    The universe is too weird, crazy, relative, strange, insane, you name it to exclude the possibility that a god exists go figure.
    We search interaction with pretty (the pretty lady – girl ?) to find ourselves, to affirm ourselves: we are only searching for an extension of ourselves through the other, and we are really talking to ourselves through the other, hoping in a good judgment, we need affirmation, value given to us through other independent minds to be sure.(or even bad judgments ? being seen as evil ? anything as long as ee are defined ?).
    We are searching for ourselves through others always.
    And the mesages we communicate interacting, slight messages or body languages or anything can be interpreted in so many ways by the other party, from indifferent to extreme, and maybe they both get it all wrong or all correct and you would never have imagined, and you may attempt a chance but the other party may think “are you insane to try that ?”, or “what were you thinking ?”,or may be plesantly surprised, or anything you can imgine. Unknown is the name of the game, always…

  749. ozone January 20, 2012 at 6:35 pm #

    Why sure! Although I don’t guess I could do much about it if I wasn’t, eh?
    ;o)

  750. Vlad Krandz January 20, 2012 at 6:39 pm #

    Wow – you can’t even engage in a polite discusion but immediately resort to all out slander. You must really know that you’re in the wrong here. And true to form, some women long ago criticized men for giving up their places on the Titanic Lifeboats. No matter what we do we’re going to get disrespect. As one wit said, “Women don’t know what they want and men have to give it to them.
    Other points: WASP Banksters? Sure some. As well as Greek, Irish etc. But the bulk of them – at least out of all proportion to their population, are Jews. How can any slightly aware person not know this?
    Blacks aren’t stronger than Whites. Most weight lifting records are held by Whites. They’re good athletes, certainly. Or are you talking about their penis size? I guess that may be important to you…
    Watch out if you see me out of the corner of your eye as we run to the lifeboats. My elbows are large and sharp. And if you’re behind me, think about cutting someone else. If you’re all equal and shit, you should welcome the chance to show it. But you don’t and you’re not.

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  751. Vlad Krandz January 20, 2012 at 6:45 pm #

    We must strive for self sufficiency. Or in the noble words of Old, “be our own queer”.

  752. Vlad Krandz January 20, 2012 at 7:00 pm #

    Comrade, make a full report of his indescretion and have it on my desk by Monday morning. We’ll meet in full committee to decide what should be done. Perhaps a long vacation in Siberia will cool his spiritual aspirations? Conclude your report with your reccomendation. I trust you will be neither too harsh nor lax – especially the latter.

  753. dale January 20, 2012 at 7:00 pm #

    Watch out if you see me out of the corner of your eye as we run to the lifeboats. My elbows are large and sharp.
    ———————————–
    well, that makes up for what you’ve got between the ears then…..

  754. 8man January 20, 2012 at 7:02 pm #

    Everything is a Dream gone Bad

  755. DeeJones January 20, 2012 at 7:29 pm #

    Everything is a Dream gone Bad
    Then why can’t I wake up?
    :0

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  756. Vlad Krandz January 20, 2012 at 7:55 pm #

    Men are also to blame for this sad state of affairs. They pander to women – the majority – in order to gain votes and gain access to the secret place. Many female pilots have died – pushed to do more than they were capable of, just so they could fufill Feminist Fantasy and get the appaluse. Amelia Earhart was an early case. And men whose job it was to say no let it happen. Women need men to keep them safe and sane.

  757. Bustin J January 20, 2012 at 7:57 pm #

    Asoka said “You will suffer… That’s just the way it’s going to be. Learn to live, love, and laugh a little.”
    Yes, Procon, Live, Love and Laugh at le reconquista. But there isn’t one. 50 million latinos in America mostly consider themselves… American. T
    BTB sed, “I know Wagelaborer will call me a heartless bastard. I wish very much that we COULD provide everyone with a guaranteed income; I wish very much I could make everyone I know happy. But reality is reality and mathematics is mathematics.”
    You know how those senators build those gigantic omnibus bills and try and shove them into the jaws of the system? Look at how they do it- they provide a “convincing” argument that says, we’ll cut this, consolidate this, and then X will be paid for- no problem!
    We should be more creative in our remonstrations.
    First, the guaranteed income needs to be around $1000- it has to pay for food, shelter, water, and health insurance.
    Second, since this is a “subsistence” benefit, it should probably be the case that not everyone should qualify for it, especially if they’re already making a certain cutoff (say, 2x the benefit level.)
    So what kind of numbers are we looking at?
    We have 44 million people on food stamps and assistance, regardless of their other status, we can assume that they are at the qualifying level.
    44 million times a ($1000)thousand is 44 billion.
    Times 12 months in a year, 12*44 or $528 billion, or, less than half of 1/1400th the size of GDP.
    No, YOU do the MATH.
    In the end I think the breakthrough is this:
    We forget that our economy is meant to serve our social system.
    We end up discussing these things as if the primary objective is financial or economic: who pays, how much, and so forth.
    We forget A) that it is affordable, and B) We should be treating the question as a social one.
    That means the value of the Right to guaranteed income is in its ability to make more Americans lives better.
    I know I forgot why I liked coming here. Its because the discussion allows me to participate with people, in a larger context about very important things.
    Even MissQuiche can participate if she wants.
    But some might still object: where does all this money go?
    Remittances come back as taxes- because the guaranteed income would ostensibly benefit local businesses (but how about non-local businesses?)
    Heres how the economic sector shakes out after the Right to Guaranteed Income is established:
    1. Health care services- Before, unfunded medical bills and real disability (lack of medicine, treatment or both) represent a drain on resources at all levels. $$
    2. Productivity- the real economy would get a jolt of new energy, because people who are unhealthy and undernourished, unsheltered, and smell like they crawled out of a gym sock cannot get jobs or be productive (obviously). $$$$
    3. Scrapping the entire Food Bank / Food Stamps scheme because it is replaced by guaranteed income. $
    4. Crime- the real reduction in economic damage done by people who would otherwise have no reason or need to do so. $
    And the benefits:

    A recent study proved that people who are forced by economics to think more carefully about purchasing decisions actually have less mental energy for anything else. (google it)

    – This is called a Tax on the Poor
    The net effect is, for poor people, not only do they have to think harder about what they do buy, they can’t think as much about anything else (like, education for skills, or who to vote for).. let alone stop and think about anything, or develop ideas or political awareness.
    So the other very tangible benefit would be the mass liberation of thought-energy, an effect of 44 million people suddenly unburdened by questions like, “where will I take a shower?” or “How will I afford my meds?” or “What can I afford to eat today?”
    To put a price tag on that is a mistake of understanding the purpose of a Right.
    The effect of millions of people suddenly unburdened from the affliction of poverty, medical infirmary, hunger, and worst of all, uncertainty, is something that should not be calculated. Because to start that process is to deny that right.
    Americans should be rights-giving people. The value of an American is not an economic value at all.
    Yet thats all they talk about on TV… 🙂
    For decades now, advocates for reform have neglected big ideas and fought hard for marginal cases. Its time to stand up and make demands, demand rights, and move society forward in more direct fashion- in spite of short-term capitalism and even in spite of global economic policy theorists who will always come up with economic reasons to argue against it.
    We have the ability to control our domestic policy in a way that eliminates poverty. We can reform government into a public servant. We can improve public mental and physical health. We can improve participation, dialogue, political engagement, and civic life.
    We can improve the quality of life for everyone in this country. Then, mock the rest of the world’s attempts to do the same. No, just kidding. We’ll clap.
    We would graduate from the ossified economic dynasty that birthed the world’s first “superpower” in the 20th century into a real “advanced economy”, and not a cheap imitation with none of the benefits.

    Albert Einstein worked as a Patent clerk- because he had to. Maybe he wanted to. But I doubt it. Lets assume under this system, Einstein has a few brilliant ideas that need time and energy to work out. He takes his subsistence check and spends a few years scribbling out mathematical calculus, while some breeder with a kid takes the patent office job. The end result is that Al Einstein didn’t die before completing his Unified Theory of Physics. He had that extra amount of time, and now we all travel around in Teleportation chambers.

    Here is what the “global economic theorists” can’t calculate: how a guaranteed income can help humanity achieve instant teleportation.
    Except that didn’t happen.
    What our zero-sum economy does is destroy value by forcing people to work at jobs they don’t want to do. Hence Albert Einstein is forced to review Nazi patents for silly doorknockers instead of think about wormholes. Later, the “real economy” forces Al into a job making atomic bombs… a job he was forced to do.
    Now that I think about it, most jobs I wouldn’t want to do if I didn’t have to involve the terms “nuclear” and “Weapon”. But thats me.
    My solution for those who imagine a world where no one wants to work at McDonald’s is that McDonalds will simply adjust- and there will still be plenty of people willing to work there- because its food, folks and fun, and just because subsistence is available, virtually no one will want to have just that and nothing else- they will still need the latest iPhone, the latest fashions- lets not forget personal transportation.
    A Guaranteed Income is about a society that raises its overall quality of life by prevention of the effects of a loss of a minimum level of comfort and livability.
    As long as we deny this benefit, it is going to hold us back- slaves to the status quo way of “Business as usual” where corporations take advantage of a system that forces people to work, and charges the people for its effects and damage.
    Ultimately, the status quo will bankrupt us. By pushing this through, the boomer generation could redeem itself, and the country. We may just see this happen in the next decade.
    Boomers are entering the 65+ age group at a rate of 10,000 a day now. And 2/3 of them are not going to have the money to retire. Their medical bankruptcies are going to choke the system until it cannot function at all.
    Asoka’s “Reconquista” is also flooding America with a cheap underclass for the rich to take advantage of, to maintain a mowed and blow-dried crapscape of tacky houses and strip malls.
    America doesn’t want to do these jobs for good reason- because it is fucking unamerican to want to make your country uglier and less efficient than it is, to work back-breaking labor for poverty wages, when there is no new skill being learned.
    America, it can be said, hates its underclass. The proof is in how difficult it has made people’s lives, when they fall through the cracks. The background is a latent Puritanical streak in the culture which wishes subconsciously and overtly to realize a “As above, so below”, as opposed to, I don’t know- the ACTUAL philosophy of Jesus Christ.
    The net loss of productive capacity, creative energy, vitality, all the intangibles of the concept of “quality of life”, and real aesthetics in our made-to-decay landscape, with multitude of spiritually vacant and anti-social motivations. It is incalculable- far in excess of GDP.
    What would America be today- or the world- if we had instituted as much 30, 40, or even 60 years ago?
    The answer would be, a much more democratic, more emotionally and mentally stable place, with more ideas, more enthusiasm, more energy, and more functional optimism, and more engagement. This would not have ‘broken the bank’- it would have created a wealth explosion like the world has never seen.
    To everyone who tl;dr : You have to fight for your rights to party

  758. anti soak January 20, 2012 at 9:31 pm #

    Remember 15? years ago the little girl
    ‘Pilot’ who had a mom who wanted her to fly the globe? She died w/i 24 hours, I believe over Colorado.
    But her mom got a few minutes of fame [or infamy].
    THE MOM SAID: SHE GAVE IT HER BEST SHOT.
    I recall 2 black guys at the gym laughing at how cold the moms words were.
    Jessica Whitney Dubroff (May 5, 1988 – April 11, 1996) was a seven-year-old pilot trainee who died attempting to become the youngest person to fly an airplane across the United States.
    Twenty-four hours into her quest, her Cessna 177B Cardinal single engine propeller aircraft, flown by her flight instructor, crashed after takeoff from Cheyenne Regional Airport in Cheyenne, Wyoming, killing all on board: Dubroff, her father and her flight instruct…………………..

  759. BeantownBill January 20, 2012 at 9:35 pm #

    NO!NO! NO!

  760. anti soak January 20, 2012 at 9:47 pm #

    READ ‘CREATIVE DESTRUCTION’ !!!!!

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  761. ctemple January 20, 2012 at 10:06 pm #

    I was going to post one of those great old Ronald Reagan speeches about free interprise from the eighties on here today, but I left the copy at the homeless shelter.

  762. BeantownBill January 20, 2012 at 11:16 pm #

    Jeez, that’s a long post, Busin; I don’t think I can address every part of it.
    First, upthread, I was corrected by SNAFU, who rightly pointed out I was off in my calculations about affordability of guaranteed income by a factor of 10. Let me make a correction of my own: $528 billion is 528/14000 or about 1/25th – actually 3.7% – of the annual GDP (it’s nice that other people make errors, too).
    In the final analysis, I believe our difference of opinion results from different philosophies.
    Poverty, which is the unaffordability of basic physical human needs, is a major social problem in America and is the root cause of many other problems. You have stated that this social issue is what we should be focused on, not economic considerations. Yet your proposed course of corrective action is to throw more money at the problem. This action, in one form or another has been tried for decades with little success.
    Just as our difference of opinion lies in philosophy, so does the solution to this issue. We have a rapacious capitalistic system; what we need is a capitalistic system with a conscience. We have to teach our children that greed is NOT good, that one should not get ahead at any cost, that there are moral limits one must not exceed, that helping others less fortunate than ourselves should be a major life goal, that service to others is the highest achievement.
    And teaching this to our children is the responsibility of the parents, not the government. The government’s main priority is to insure the safety of its citizens. Individuals’ main priority is first to insure the well-being of one’s family, then to help others.
    You want guaranteed income? Fine. Let there be a guaranteed income program, but only temporarily, until a revolutionary, moral system is put into effect. Otherwise we’re all wasting our time and money.

  763. jpgkxokbps January 20, 2012 at 11:17 pm #

    ;

  764. Vlad Krandz January 20, 2012 at 11:18 pm #

    Oh yeah that happened to a little boy too. The hippy mom said, “He died doing what he loved”.
    The Founder of Califonia’s biggest Abortion Company crashed a few years ago in Idaho – in a graveyard for victims of abortion.

  765. jpgkxokbps January 20, 2012 at 11:25 pm #

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  766. IxNoMor January 21, 2012 at 1:02 am #

    Wow, I didn’t realize it whuz *U* that whuz 6969’s sock puppet master!
    “First, the guaranteed income needs to be around $1000”
    $1000/month might pay for shelter (if you don’t mind living in the slums). $1000/month might also pay for food, water, clothing, utilities and taxes. Finally, $1000/month might pay for health insurance, car insurance, life insurance, car payments, licenses, and gasohol. However, $1000/month won’t even come close to paying for, “food, shelter, water, and health insurance.”
    Some thing that have really been burning my britches lately:
    1. When I went to University of Illinois in 1990 as an in-state resident, the annual tuition/fees were $3,200, and you could find annual room/board for around $2,700. Today, the annual in-state tuition/fees at UofI are basically $20,000 – a 525% increase, in only 20 years (has inflation even gone up 100% in that time?). And, good luck finding annual room/board for less than $7,200 (~200% increase).
    2. California contracted with China 5 years ago, to build a new bay bridge for $6.8 billion (undercutting American company bids by $400 million). Apparently, after delaying the project 29 months, the Chinese forced California into paying them $7.2 billion (the original American company bids). All of the steel is coming from China (tho ~200 inspectors were sent there to monitor production 24/7 [who payed for that?]), and apparently the vast majority of the labor to build the bridge will be Chinese slaves, working for $12/day (no, not $12/hour – $12/*DAY*).
    3. (Department of Energy) Oh, sh!t, I forgot 3!!!
    Haha, j/k! An old story, maybe poasted here on this site recently? It concerns Syed Fahad Hashmi, and his backstabbing “friend”, Mohammed Junaid Babar (the actual psychopath terrorist, who ratted out others to the govt [mostly innocents?], and got off scot-free [did the govt also pay him $$$, like they payed that Iraq WMD informant?])
    http://chronicle.com/article/My-Student-the-Terrorist/126937/
    And yet, here we all are, facing another 1-2 years max, before we hit the solar sunspot/irradiance maximum, while all remaining carbon sources are clearcut/burnt off the planet, into the ether of deep space… Oh, and how about that DOW!!! 12,720 and no ceiling in *SIGHT* (13,500) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  767. IxNoMor January 21, 2012 at 1:06 am #

    Something/Some things – I’ll let you guess which one whuz meant… (Q,q,q…)

  768. anti soak January 21, 2012 at 1:19 am #

    HUH????
    what was the pilots name?

  769. anti soak January 21, 2012 at 1:22 am #

    IX, Id say food prices are up 3to 7x in 22 years.

  770. anti soak January 21, 2012 at 1:24 am #

    JHK..can ya ban these spammers

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  771. Bustin J January 21, 2012 at 1:24 am #

    Lifestyles of the 1%:
    TBTB said, “Poverty, which is the unaffordability of basic physical human needs, is a major social problem in America and is the root cause of many other problems. You have stated that this social issue is what we should be focused on, not economic considerations. Yet your proposed course of corrective action is to throw more money at the problem. This action, in one form or another has been tried for decades with little success.
    But the economic issue of poverty is the social problem.
    And a guaranteed income has never been tried- nothing like a guaranteed income has ever been added to the Constitution, or the Bill of Rights.
    I am advocating throwing money at people, not problems.
    By the way, a Right to a guaranteed income would go a hell of a long way toward the potential in other rights, like the right to the pursuit of happiness.
    It shouldn’t be diluted down too much. A grudging acceptance of such a program would be like honey to the displaced bureaucrats of other agencies it would replace. It should become simple, accepted common practice among us like the right to bear arms, speech, or assembly.
    BTB says “Just as our difference of opinion lies in philosophy, so does the solution to this issue. We have a rapacious capitalistic system; what we need is a capitalistic system with a conscience. We have to teach our children that greed is NOT good, that one should not get ahead at any cost, that there are moral limits one must not exceed, that helping others less fortunate than ourselves should be a major life goal, that service to others is the highest achievement.
    And teaching this to our children is the responsibility of the parents, not the government. The government’s main priority is to insure the safety of its citizens. Individuals’ main priority is first to insure the well-being of one’s family, then to help others.”
    The capitalist system is not a person; therefore it cannot have a conscience. If I understand you correctly you are saying that individuals’ actions and behaviors are responsible for acting as the conscience (of the capitalist system).
    Well, what the system does need is a conscience. It must protect people against its own excesses where it can. It has been said governments aren’t legitimate if they protect their citizens from their own foolishness. Well, that is Chapter 11 for businesses. So capitalism does have a conscience- for poor businesses which need a break. What about poor people.
    Since the General Public can’t be everywhere at once to provide social services, or run public institutions, or dip its hands into the federal money jar, some might say that that a guaranteed income can’t “be afforded“.
    Obviously that is untrue, we just calculated a back of the envelope figure of around 5% GDP.
    “You want guaranteed income? Fine. Let there be a guaranteed income program, but only temporarily, until a revolutionary, moral system is put into effect. Otherwise we’re all wasting our time and money.”
    Well, I was thinking about this too.
    First, I’m talking about a Right to income, amended to the Bill o’ Rightsley, and a constitutional amendment. (The amendment in the constitution, stating the Right; the Right in the Bill of Rights directing the State is not to suppress that Right).
    So, I imagine there would be a formal “program” that writes the checks and sends them, or puts deposits in the Paypal or bank account, or whatever. Wouldn’t this be massively easier than, say, financing HUD, Medicare, & all the other services that are being paid for? And the price of each displaced?
    Here’s what I’m thinking. We eliminate poverty and then the program eliminates itself as people, enabled to earn income and create value, make enough additional income that they no longer need the guaranteed income (rising into median-wage earnings).
    There will always be people entering and re-entering the subsistence program, especially from the boomer generation, and the young, but the number will stabilize with population trends, and I think settle at some level, a level you’d expect to be higher in worse times or lower in better times. Such is the present level in the typical indicators: jobless claims, food stamp enrollment.
    Just thinking about “food stamps” makes me chuckle. We all know what it is, but food stamps haven’t existed for over a decade now. Its become an archaic part of the lexicon. Maybe it kind of reflects your assertion that social programs have been tried before. An archaic idea kicking around at the bottom of the “top 25 things modern people worry about”.
    Until America needed it.
    Every right goes through a struggle to establish it. Now, as then, the struggle begins with getting the idea out there, firing people up about it. .. the political and economic and social climate is a convergence of factors precipitating its favor toward a progressive movement to demand it.
    I think the thing about the moral hazard of giving people money is something we are attached to by sheer cultural inertia, rather than some fundamental reason, after all, advocacy of a right to a minimum quality of life- equivalent- in a free society, is in itself a system becoming more moral. If its people demand it- and I think the character of America’s people would be willing to try it.
    I’ve found no one who doesn’t think this idea is a bad one, really. Its because these issues have been around, like you said, for a long time, and this really is a new approach- if it stays simple, and pure, and isn’t twisted into some Lyndon Johnson/GeraldFord/Carter/Reagan abomination of 20th century cultural stagnation.

  772. IxNoMor January 21, 2012 at 1:46 am #

    What’s $1.4 quadrillion, between *FRIENDS*?!? Apparently the 2008 CDO/CDS fiasco has doubled in volume from the formerly $600-800 trillion level. Good thing all those regulations were put into place, after that Sept disaster!!! (NOT! Said the liar!)
    Asia – R U serious about the food costs up 3-7x? I definitely see them up 2-2.5x (gallon of milk $2 now $4, bacon $2 now $4, potatoes still $2/10lbs, ground beef $1 now $2.50, etc, ad infinitum). Remember, 2x price is only 100% increase (think about that!)…

  773. Vlad Krandz January 21, 2012 at 1:56 am #

    Scriputure is clear: no one who accepts the Mark of the Beast will see God.

  774. Vlad Krandz January 21, 2012 at 2:03 am #

    Not sure. Like the guy in Idiocracy. Seriously, I heard this story some place and I thought you might be interested. I can’t remember the Company – Planned Parenthood is the biggest in the Country, but another one is bigger in California. If you know which then you might be able to track it down. If you can confirm this story, let me know cuz I’d like to know more too.

  775. youmouyixia January 21, 2012 at 2:22 am #

       British Prime Minister David Cameron has already banned the "imperial cat" Larry into the newly renovated 10 Downing Street. Although Larry did not know what angered the Prime Minister of thing, but seeing the cold, Larry can only squat door, great compassion from the British people, are not accused Cameron heart of stone. The picture shows a man pointing to the 16 guard at 10 Downing Street in front of Larry.  long dress
     

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  776. IxNoMor January 21, 2012 at 2:25 am #

    Guitar-man Pete! Do you have any youtube vids poasted? I’d be interested to hear them, if so.
    It is amazing, that when I (rarely) post my angry vitriol here, that most can read beyond it, and get to the point of what I’m *trying* to say. I’m almost shocked actually, but I kinda understand as well. I think all of us are holding that pent-up anger inside, and can see when others of like-mind simply release the said-same.
    I like to rip on p2c/poc, as his hypocritical immigration sh!t is pure hog-wash. Sure, as long as they stay outside the US, they likely won’t become the overconsumptive/overpollutive human being we know as common citizens in the Lard-asS-of-A (LSofA). Those immigrants have already *HATCHED* tho, and are already a resource burden – so to argue about them being here or there seems completely irrelevant. His immigration argument is nothing more than racism, bigotry, and hatred (seeing as how he himself is basically an immigrant).
    However, I’m still suspicious that Q was one of p2c/poc’s sock puppets, that he (for some reason?) retired. That Q guy was totally a resident impediment, with nothing to offer, but spelling/punctuation/grammar corrections, stock market recommendations, and self-congratulatory stroking…
    Apparently my homegrounds (middle Illinois) are now (TODAY!) so warm and snow/ice free, that camping outdoors is an option. I remember 11 years of residence there, from 1979-1990, where every winter, from December to February, was nothing but sub-freezing weather, 2-3 inches of ice-pack on the roads, and 12-24 inches of snowpack. Global Warming? Ahaha, let’s just call it something other than it is – “climate change”. Kinder and Gentler, indeed!!!

  777. IxNoMor January 21, 2012 at 3:04 am #

    Didn’t that first-day poaster spam his link 3 times last week (‘sif we couldn’t have clicked on his *NAME*)? Or was that this week?!? Bwahaha, I think I’m loosing it!
    But, FWIW, I made myself a millionaire tonite. Second time that’s happened!!! I’ll let you guess what the two times were:
    http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/20/10202878-how-to-make-a-millionaire

  778. IxNoMor January 21, 2012 at 3:59 am #

    Next time a friend of mine wants free lodging, he sure as hell isn’t bring any *BAGGAGE* with him – and he sure as FUCK ain’t using my phone.
    Hahaha! You think that will save me from Hashmi’s fate? I know, prolly *NOT*…
    SAID THE LIAR!!!
    (He pleaded guilty to 1 count of conspiracy for allowing an acquaintance [the sociopath terrorist the feds already had in custody, and have already *RELEASED*] to store waterproof socks, ponchos, and raincoats in his apartment.) No fucking way in hell I would have plea-bargained, if I was innocent. Take it all the way – lifetime sentence/death sentence notwithstanding!!!

  779. IxNoMor January 21, 2012 at 4:08 am #

    Hashmi has to serve only 12 more years. Think he’ll make it out *alive*? I’m betting 10 to 1 he doesn’t.
    Who is the asshole in the govt that had it out for this guy? They already had the real sociopath terrorist under arrest, yet they let him go free, for testimony (that rhymes)? Some serious hate-monger racists running this US of A govt, *TO BE SURE*.
    It’s like that old adage – I had no qualms when they came and took all the blacks. I had no qualms when they came and took all the Jews. GUESS WHO WAS NEXT?!? (Hehe Bush Jr style – we won’t get fooled again!)

  780. nameta9 January 21, 2012 at 5:33 am #

    Good job Busty ! That a boy, create complex Iconoclastic blocks of text! That’s the way I like it.
    1) That would have to be 1,000 dollars a month for a family of 4; so 160 million people could be covered; and housing is a variable cost, house could cost zero, it is already built, etc. Also health care is a variable cost it could cost way less as many countries in the world show that sufficient enough health care can cost a small fraction of the cost in USA. But to the GDP it would be 1/20 of the GDP and the same as the Military Budget so free salaries don’t even cost so much at all.
    2) GDP is really a fairy tale number, it is just a wild number put there to show some correspondence between goods and “services” and numbers, big numbers, so they look like we are so so much richer than what we are; but we are rich only according to how we interact with each other, what we consider and evaluate as rich. Anyways, don’t believe in the GDP numbers too much…
    3) I still think that the problem is cultural – we need some big projects, a lot of them, to make people want to work and engage in big new things…
    4) Don’t believe in the so many new ideas things, I don’t think many great inventions or contraptions are really possible anymore, we got spoiled in the last 300 years, too many huge game changers(Electricity, Trains, Cars, Jets, Computers, etc.) and we took that progress for granted ! Are you kidding me ? No way jose’, most of the biggies have been discovered and applied, now we must choose how to use what we have.
    5) The greatest invention(s) will also be the last invention possible for Mankind: a new design of the mind – brain – new neural circuits, etc. Now we are talking about really game shattering changes, a new way to look and experience the world because you have a new brain! WOW!
    6) The system is a crashed computer program (like me) because work is no longer needed, necessary, that is the real problem, and there is no way to invent or force work that is not needed. And we have two reciprocally reinforcing forces that are making this issue of “what work do we need ? how much should it be paid ? how many jobs to do what ?” worse everyday: technology kills jobs, and millions of new workers worldwide (China, Brazil, Indonesia) now participating in the global workforce, so in a sense there is a real resource scarcity going on JOBS ARE FINISHING AT AN ALARMING RATE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE USA, EU AND JAPAN.

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  781. nameta9 January 21, 2012 at 5:46 am #

    Please scroll past these blocks of texts. Please erase all of my posts from the Internet. Please erase the Internet. Thank you.
    So the interaction, the desire to always communicate and interact with a person, group whatever is always a proxy for self reaffirmation, for self security, to be sure you actually exist, you are loved or like or you interact, but you want the other(s) to like you, or that “special” person to like you and so on, but you are searching yourself through the other, so you are creating a complex dependancy and imaginary cause and effect that you exist if only through another mind – will power gadget that will excute its independent decisions, and the messages may be slight or heavy, right or wrong, clear or vague, even slight body languages, a different word, a small movement may mean everything or nothing or be misunderstood or understood more than you ever imagined and the other person may think “how dare you think of that ?” or “what were you thinking ?” or may not even notice and you be invisible or may beat you up or whatever, always vague, possible change whatever.
    About the fact that you don’t know that god exists: also you don’t know that aliens exist and that anything your mind can dream up exists, and even after you are sure something doesn’t exist it still may exist, and even after the fact you still may be wrong, you will never know what is and isn’t, you can never be sure, actually everything and anything does exist exactly because it is attached to question marks doubting its existence and so forth.
    So all and anything really does 100 % exist and also all and anything really 100 % does not exist.
    The problem is really simple: admit that you are a 100 % loser, a total sore loser and give up and don’t try anymore.
    AMEN

  782. sjpugxgcn January 21, 2012 at 7:33 am #

    I had on the people of this mixed feeling tired ? I do not know mixed up and his girlfriend fight ? They lost a bike ?
    I will wind up . I feel people together in such a way is it? I have a bad feeling about life , I do not know I had someone complex is ever bad.
    spent two months at home full ? Day Break . Full of good feeling ? How many friends can Shajiao good friend ? Han called the intimate friend ? Shajiao buddies ? I have to wind up ? Whether complex or rely on their own .

  783. Alexandra January 21, 2012 at 8:04 am #

    @ Krandz
    For every woman whom had a dream, became accomplished and pushed the envelope – doing something with ‘boy toys’ – tis true some have famously failed, and paid with their lives for it. But many thousands more have succeeded and beaten all comers, and the mega odds stacked against them.
    Women that demonstrate this beautifully even to an uber-male-sexist-berk, such as yourself would include:
    Ellen MacArthur (mariner), Sheila Scott (aviatrix) Tanya Streeter (free diver) Pamela Melroy (STS shuttle commander) Simona De Silvestro (indy Car driver)… and these are just a few. There are many, many others, women who broke boundaries and lived to tell the tale.
    And even you being the Nazi you so obviously are, should have recognised the value of women pilots in WWII such as Hanna Reitsch…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDZxXheJGnU&
    And the RAF used women pilots at that time too…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwKLL0TklxU
    Using this JHK bog as a case in point I’d say there are far more ‘male’ identity posters here that need mental health help, you included.
    The few women who do add info here, and sometimes I do think (what the heck why do I bother), seem infinitely saner and less deluded to me.
    So your last sentences should of course read *Men more than ever need women to keep them comforted, family focused and sane*
    However as many western women are now totally self-supporting you should really take a closer look at yourselves to figure out what you actually do contribute to the mix…??
    Maybe focus on that more Vladdie dearest, and you might not need to opt for the last desperate act of Neanderthal man which is the thai/asian-haus-frau-wifelet slave option… purchased off the internet.
    Be seeing you…

  784. lbendet January 21, 2012 at 8:54 am #

    Ix,
    I’m liking your posts more and more these days.
    Yes the Bay Bridge is a good example to make for why Globalism is a disaster and a destroyer of the US. It’s the giant sausage making machine where no one country can do for itself with its own population. Everything must be made and assembled from abroad with inferior steel. Everything must be made by the cheapest labor possible.
    They Chinese pegged the yuan to 50% of the dollar in the 1990’s and tax our exports at $25% while we tax there’s ( for the sake of US CEO’s) at 2%.
    Willard Romney (his real name, though he won’t admit it) calls the extracting of money from the US “capitalism”. If you don’t like it you’re a communist like Obama.
    There’s no discussion of the Keynesian model which Roosevelt established. That model of economics created the greatest marketplace on the planet with solid employment and protections against corporate communism and monopolies.
    This liar can be contrasted with his dad, who was working in the context of Keynesianism. There’s an article in Rolling Stone about the difference.
    I’ve already discussed Neocon Newt yesterday and then there’s Sanitorium who’s a complete nut and was a big playa on “K Street” during the W. administration. His hands are dirty too.
    RP has lot’s of holes in his argument, but he’s the only one the tea partiers should like.
    These creeps keep talking about a free market when we all know it’s anything but. TBTF and the bolstered-up stock market whould be a hint that something’s wrong with the statement.
    We are so far beyond Adam Smith and supply and demand. We are destroying over 1/3 of our population, relegating them to destitution without jobs and then blaming them. Hey the lazy bums starve!
    Oh yes, Obama is the food stamp president alright, and why? Because this country has lost millions of jobs caused by the bankster fraud and those same banks that have received $Tillions no longer act as lenders, but are in the global casino royale, there to place bets on how badly we will fare. —Ya know there’s more whites on the program then there are blacks, but why let silly facts get in the way of the haters?
    The Republicans are so far to the right of reality and taken over by what we in the ’60s described as the lunatic fringe, they’re arguments are all old-hat, having nothing to do with how you create jobs. Just give the rich and powerful more riches and power.
    And what will they do if they get in power–oh give Goldman Sachs our social security funds to play with for starters. How dare we want the money that we paid into, don’t we know we are just there for the pickings?
    Religion will be established in government and wages will fall.
    I believe the Reps are playing a dangerous game with their definitions. I think calling their keytonic pernacious form of robbery capitalism, they will eventually create a need for socialism. These fools don’t when to stop.
    Under their system the jobs will continue to go to the third world.

  785. lbendet January 21, 2012 at 8:56 am #

    Note to Alexandra,
    Don’t waste your time fighting with Vlad. He doesn’t learn from anyone since he knows everything. You’ll never get through and we’ll go back to square one again.
    It’s futile.

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  786. Rhino January 21, 2012 at 9:37 am #

    OK well I’m going to point out something that you probably missed ASSoka or maybe you didn’t miss it or maybe your high almightyness doesn’t give a fuck because such people are below your station: BLACKS are working people too and, according to people you would know like Tavis Smiley and Cornell West, Blacks are getting fucked as we speak even worse than the white people you so gleefully see suffering. You talk about angry black men? Watch Smiley and you’ll get a snootful of ANGER. You’re happy that whites are suffering? It’s worse for Blacks.

  787. DeeJones January 21, 2012 at 9:43 am #

    “1) That would have to be 1,000 dollars a month for a family of 4; so 160 million people could be covered; and housing is a variable cost, house could cost zero, it is already built, etc. Also health care is a variable cost it could cost way less as many countries in the world show that sufficient enough health care can cost a small fraction of the cost in USA. But to the GDP it would be 1/20 of the GDP and the same as the Military Budget so free salaries don’t even cost so much at all.”
    And Wow! You started making sense.
    But in reality, the $1000/mo should be for ADULTS, with a much lower monthy stipend in for children, up to a max of TWO, so as not to encourage people from just having babies to get more money.
    And it should be variable, as some parts of the country will have a much lower cost of living than others, so it might only be say $600 in some parts, but might have to be $1200 (or more) in say NYC.
    And to satisfy those who just hate the thought of “throwing money” at the poor, why not have most of it as a direct rent payment, with utilities paid, and just a small part of it cash?
    But just the waste in the “defense” budget would cover it.

  788. asoka. January 21, 2012 at 10:30 am #

    FLORICANTO FOR A JUST IMMIGRATION POLICY
    “In the Floricanto, the poetic and political are not only compatible, but complementary, inevitable.”
    So too, in this tradition, is the spiritual complementary, an integral part of the organizing for social change.
    “I am a Mestizo Chicano poet with a grandmother who spoke Nahuatl, the language of the Aztecs,” says prize-winning poet and professor at the University of California-Davis Francisco X. Alarcón. “So, I usually start readings and public events doing an invocation to the four directions following the Mesoamerican spiritual tradition, asking all present to join me in calling forth the invocation ‘Tahui!'” Alarcón concludes by asking all present to face the person next to them and repeat “Tahui!” four times. This ritual, he says, “recalls the Maya mantra ‘in lak’ech,’ which means, ‘you are my other I / tú eres mi otro yo,’ a way of saying, You are my mirror and I am yours, we are responsible for each other.”
    As Americans struggle to devise a just immigration policy, one that treats all with dignity and doesn’t scapegoat anyone — citizen of the U.S. or not — what better words to keep in our minds as we consider our neighbors than these: You are my mirror and I am yours.

  789. budizwiser January 21, 2012 at 10:38 am #

    What is the subject of the Blog? Why do so few of you discuss Peak Oil?
    Why aren’t perspectives offered from experience and understanding? Why can’t anyone discuss just what is happening?
    Technology and industry has produced an enormous world population dependent on centralized sources of energy and government to preserve living standards and well-being.
    It appears that each individuals financial wealth and social station will govern how these centralized resources are allocated for the foreseeable future.
    Mr. Kunstler believes that an unrestrained “market-based” allocation of energy resources will result in social catastrophe. Either you agree or disagree with all or part of this theory.
    Please discuss your perspective and offer your experience as a means of supporting your position.
    Or else GFYS and go away.

  790. Rhino January 21, 2012 at 10:39 am #

    Let’s have a look at this “Reconquista” business:
    First let’s define the term: it was first used in reference to the Spanish recapture of territories ruled by Moors in Iberia, later it was used in reference to the recapture of territories claimed by Spanish explorers and settlers. What territories are we talking about here? Depends on who is doing the talking but let’s say in rough terms the southwestern United States.
    OK. Are we good so far?
    Let’s march on. You say the reconquista is simple justice. Let’s look at this part next:
    I’m not an anthropologist so all I know is what I read in science journals. And there’s differences of opinion on this among people who’ve studied this area but bear with me. The way I understand the peopling of the Americas is as follows:
    15,000-20,000 years ago a group of people crossed over to North America via a land bridge that existed at the time.
    Who were these first folk? Well, according to studies of skeletal remains they look a lot like modern day Ainu or Australian aborigines. In fact some say they’re modern day descendants can be found amoung people living in Mexico and Patagonia. Let’s call these people Pacific Rim People given that their geographical origins and genetic affinities are as yet murky.
    Somewhat later during the last Ice Age more people crossed over. These look like they were Siberian Mongoloid nomads. They look like they supplanted/inter-married with the original settlers and it looks like their descendants are now the more numerous. Over the millenia their descendants fragmented into many ehtnic/linguistic and cultural groups some of which were farmers, some of which were hunters, some of which created spectacular civilizations.
    Later still more people came over. Their modern descendants are known as the Dene and they live primarily in N.W. North America though there is evidence that some of their folk penetrated far to the south. And later still the Eskimo/Inuit.
    And lastly Spanish and Portuguese came over to settle primarily in southern realms and French and British in more northerly areas.
    OK so tell me who the fuck is recapturing what from whom here and what is the basis for what you say is “justice”? Is it the descendants of the Pacific Rim Peoples recapturing from later settlers, the descendants of the Mongoloid Nomads doing likewise, the descendants of Spanish settlers recapturing land from descendants of British settlers? So who gets dibs on what lands?
    Now, given that justice is justice can the principles be applied elsewhere? Would you support the reconquista of Israel by Jewish settlers? How about the reconquista of the West Bank by Jews? How about the reconquista of Anatolia by Greeks and Kurds and others from the Asiatic Turks?

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  791. nameta9 January 21, 2012 at 10:40 am #

    Please scroll past these blocks of texts. Please erase all of my posts from the Internet. Please erase the Internet. Thank you.
    This is like free jazz only using words and concepts instead of notes..
    Like when you want to seduce, conquer, you want the other pretty lady to like you (but why should she like you ? so that you can like yourself ? are you a “painting” that must be liked by an independent will power, mind to confirm your value ? are you looking for value for yourself since you doubt your own value ? and why should you have any value at all assigned to you ? why do you need to like yourself ? and you need to like your thought paths that excute external symbols to the other person and she must like those constructions ? and how and why can a sequence of symbols be pretty and liked ?, etc.) so then you try to devise all kinds of logical paths, all kinds of ideas, you try to be witty and try to make her like your behavior, your choices, your ideas, your surprises (mostly fooling yourself that they are nice, likable, fascinating when they are probably not even perceived by the other party or considered ridiculous, a turd, embarrassing, whatever). And that is if you are pretty physically, which you probably aren’t much, etc. But you can’t force ugly to become pretty, since pretty is not only image but sound of voice, movement of body and many other subtle signals that are automatic, can’t be faked etc. (and this applies to all human encounters and contexts like work, career, you name it).
    So essentially you are trying to seduce yourself through her, through another will power gadget, through another mind, trying your best or trying to figure out the best path, logical, the best sentence, the best block of text to emit.
    And both parties (or groups of people ? or things ? whatever ) are playing a mix of this game, sometimes wth signals that are loud and clear sometimes with very small amost invisible signals (the smaller the harder to decode which makes the guessing game so much more intriguing ?): but then what we want to do is mostly think, we want an excuse to activate a never ending flow of thought processes, thinking, guessing, playing this game of “love”, or “seduction” or whatever, always changing the rules always failing and winning, always with great expectations at the end of the affair and ordeal, the prize is the pleasure, but if you think about it, the pleasure and prize is really so simple and small after all that incredible effort and all, does it make any sense at all ? is it worth it at all ? simply, probably, we do assign the worth of the end result (which is always iffy, the more iffy the better and never guaranteed to last, since each next encounter is always another version of the game) arbitrarily, just because.
    We want to create a perfect thought and guess process to win a game: we are in love with the thought and guess process, not the external object of attention, not the excuse for the thought processes…
    Hose it all, who cares, assign yourself a winner even when you win nothing, simply:
    BE YOUR OWN BOSS
    TOBOR THE 8 MAN

  792. SNAFU January 21, 2012 at 11:07 am #

    Howdy Vlad, Per your post clip: “But perhaps you are blocking out what you felt during those moments of terror -since it isn’t acceptable to your self image?”
    WTF are you talking about? Moments of terror are most likely experienced after the so called terrifying incident has passed or in a thought experiment prior to it’s occurrence. During such incidents most are too damn busy attempting to cope to be terrified. You want to take your life into your own hands and be terrified simply drive your vehicle into rush hour traffic in or about an american city of your choice. During the prime years of the Viet Nam war 65-73 nearly as many americans were killed on US highways each year as were killed in the entire war effort; roughly 53K/yr US highways vs 58K total Viet Nam. Vastly improved brakes, suspension and safety devices have lowered the current slaughter on the US highways to about 33K/year as I doubt that drivers are any more rational than they were in the 60’s.
    As to my self image; yup you got me dead nuts; a more image conscious individual than me you would be hard pressed to locate on the entire planet. Since my wife’s death, at the hands of a careless teen driver, 14 years ago I have lived mostly a semi-Eremitic existence on a run down farm with 5 dogs a dozen and a half rusting vehicles and tractors and my nearest neighbors nearly 1/2 mile on either side. The last new vehicle I procured was a 71 VW van and my current ride is a 1993 ex ambulance with 375,000 miles on it.
    “Many of the Spanish Communists justly put to death by Franco, reconverted to Catholicism towards the end.”
    Ah “Franco” now there is a human we should all wish to emulate especially if we are americans who think that the Joe McCarthy communist witch hunts were ended before he could get them “justly put to death” thereby emulating Franco. The “Spanish Communists” would likely have converted to any version of the invisible man in the sky jingoism if they thought it would have had any possibility of prolonging their earthly existence.
    I recognize you have been appraised by many CFNers of what I am about to attempt to impart onto your momma’s boy psyche, “YOU ARE SICK”.
    SNAFU

  793. DeeJones January 21, 2012 at 11:21 am #

    ” ;”
    Yep, short and too the point! But way too much blank space wasted.
    DJ 😉

  794. anti soak January 21, 2012 at 12:26 pm #

    ‘R U serious about the food costs up 3-7x’
    I think 22 years ago my groceries were 150$/month..
    now 400+$ /mo ???
    However I eat produce and some dairy..way up in prices, even rice is way up.
    At SantaMon farmers market a pound of cheese is 15$.
    Do you remember what you spent a week 22 years ago on groceries?

  795. anti soak January 21, 2012 at 12:29 pm #

    ‘A Guaranteed Income is about a society that raises its overall quality of life by prevention of the effects of a loss of a minimum level of comfort and livability. ‘
    With +3 million people a year what does 10k x 3 million = ????
    Thats alot more $ EACH YEAR TO SOMEHOW FIND.

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  796. 8man January 21, 2012 at 12:29 pm #

    Please scroll past these blocks of texts. Please erase all of my posts from the Internet. Please erase the Internet. Thank you.
    This is like free jazz only using words and concepts instead of notes..
    We are Failure Searching Machines: strangely it is as if we are searching out a stage, a confrontation, a situation where we know we will fail, and then mourn and complain and execute a never ending flow of thought processes, and feel like a “sore loser”, and “feel bad, angry, and all kinds of similar, depressed, you name it” just because, because this is how we really feel achieved: and then we fool ourselves, we find a smaller set of bits, a smaller hobby, a simpler hobby that probably doesn’t involve other free will gadgets, other “people” where it is “easy to win” but then you know it is a cop out, so it is to no avail. And all kinds of associations between failed endeavor of achieving target A to B gets projected to corresponding to easily achieved target C to D, so then you try to feel good about this new win, this new success: but it is justified, it should be correct to feel good since the law that is operating is the law of conservation of experience and values: any affair of going from A to B is 100 % equivalent to any affair of going from C to D, it is a simple projection to another realm that trigger the same emotional slots and results: the emotions are the same but independent of the signal triggering them.
    But then the famous variable of being convinced C enters the equation, and we have a hard time changing it to a higher number than we are used to it having, so we have that the variable C is 80 % for target A to B (convinced that we have achieved and that feeling good is justified and that there are no longer any interdictions to feeling good, satisfied, 100 % satisfied) and only 50 % for target C to D: and the convincing variable is most likely due to other free will gadgets conditioning and intervening to confirm or deny achievment : but we can prooject the free will gadget to something else and win all the same. If we are good enough and smart enough and powerful enough to get on top of the variable being convinced of C in our Man Brain, which can be done, is best if you want, but you don’t want.
    But she did it only because she “felt sorry for you”, or she really considers you “a pain in the a*s” but doesn’t want to let you know, or maybe she is 100 % oblivious to all and you are 100 % totally taken and an emotional wreck for decades over something that doesn’t even know you exist, go figure, or maybe she does have a glimpse but is not sure, and maybe she jumps all around the possibilities, or not, and same for you or not, but it is all true and false, and even being explicit (of both to each other and themselves, even that is only a guess, it is never explicit and clear, only a guess, and the person guesses his own mind which he does not know, etc.) hides the truth and falseness from both actors as true and false are hiding behind each other forever in an infinite recursion creating doubt, strange, etc. But simplify all, either yes or no.
    Be a sore Loser, please.
    BEWARE OF THE MARK OF THE BEAST

  797. DeeJones January 21, 2012 at 12:45 pm #

    Alexandria: I really doubt that Vlad has ever done anything more challenging than taking out the trash.
    Flying a plane? I don’t think so.
    Sailing a boat? Gotta case of dramamine on you?
    Trains derail you know, and better make sure the Greyhound driver takes a breathalizer before boarding.
    Nope, I bet Vlad didn’t even learn to ride a bike, or if he did, it wasn’t till his teens.
    He’s a big ‘fraidie cat….
    He’s only brave here, where no one can see him.
    😉

  798. 8man January 21, 2012 at 1:00 pm #

    The following from an anonymous coward.
    So why should we prefer A to B instead of C to D ? Why do we want to amplify inequality ? Why do we want to construct and produce inequality in order to find a goal and target and a reference system for our experience of life ? Just because, because we need a scale, we need “special”, e need to invent, create, make believe something is “so much better” than something else just because, to find “something to do” (waste time ? or fill up time ? occupy time ?), you like that pretty lady, ok, but why should the like become love and then obsession and then ever more ? why should simple properties she has (or any other context of life, any othet thing or group, job, career, anything..) that are ok, that you like be amplified to higher and higher metaphysical values in you mind so as to produce the need to win it, to achieve it, to get it ? because we need inequality to define things, to make sense of things, we need to find a difference that is worth fighting for: of course there are preferences, and often prettier things, we all know, somethings are a lot nicer, but then it ends there, ok, end of story, nothing to get hung about or obsessed about. But our mind activates an amplifier that will make that difference become obsession and mostly insanity, nothing is really that much better than something else (of course the scale towards the bottom, worser never ends), but we need to amplify it beyond any justification.

  799. charliefoxtrot January 21, 2012 at 1:03 pm #

    Dee- at least he finally admitted his secksuality last night (6:45)- “not that there s anything wrong with that…” considering the bile and poison that has invariably spewed forth from the cloaca which passes for his mouth, it is a big step towards learning to accept his existence, and therefor leaving off from transferring self-hate to the rest of us…sure wish he d hurry it up, though, as there are already plenty of pukes to scroll past…

  800. dale January 21, 2012 at 1:11 pm #

    Don’t waste your time fighting with Vlad. He doesn’t learn from anyone since he knows everything. You’ll never get through and we’ll go back to square one again.
    It’s futile.
    ————————————-
    It’s called obsessive compulsive delusional disorder. What that means in ordinary language is: he lives in a bubble of his own creation, the origin of which is likely his dispair over the lack of success he’s achieved in his life.
    You’re right about it being futile. He should be regarded with compassion. His ideas should receive the constant ridicule they deserve.

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  801. charliefoxtrot January 21, 2012 at 1:22 pm #

    with all due respect, it seems to me that this has become a forum of discussion for all of the conditions we face, which taken together add up to how we as a society might deal with peak oil…with some glaring exceptions, the regulars here have accepted that we are in peak everything- oil, jobs, acceptable population, freedom, etc…i submit that addressing any individual aspect of this list would be futile, at least as far as fixing things; things have gotten enough out of hand that a comprehensive approach is our best hope for a solution as we try to move forward…i mean, what good will it do to “fix” our dependance on oil if nobody can afford to purchase an alternative, for whatever reason? i think the thrust of the conversation has been to try to determine what is wrong with our society as a whole, and what are the things we need to do, and can do, to make things better for everyone…? sure, we each have our sacred cows, but none of them alone is enough, at this late juncture…hope this helps clarify for you, and we ll be looking forward to your slice of the pie…

  802. Rhino January 21, 2012 at 1:29 pm #

    Absolutely correct. Many inter-locking problems: environmental, energy, financial, societal, economic etc the list is a long one and in many people’s opinions too many of these things are going south instead of north. People are cringing waiting for the next black swan to rear it’s ugly head.

  803. asoka. January 21, 2012 at 1:30 pm #

    What is the subject of the Blog? Why do so few of you discuss Peak Oil? Why aren’t perspectives offered from experience and understanding? Why can’t anyone discuss just what is happening?

    “Perspectives” are about all you get on CFN. Opinions based on understanding gained from experience (and insults and ad hominem attacks) are the order of the day on CFN.
    You say you want to discuss Peak Oil? That might be difficult given there is some consensus about its inevitability, but its date is still not consensual.
    There is also no consensus about the problems Peak Oil will create. As much as can be inferred at this moment, the impact of the Peak Oil will certainly be significant but can still range from relatively benign to almost catastrophic scenarios.
    As a direct effect of Peak Oil, the increase in energy prices will be concentrated on the liquid fuels and the transportation sector will be specially affected. That much is pretty sure.
    We can probably kiss goodbye cheap, wide-scale air transport that we presently take for granted.
    We will probably revert to a more expensive and restrictive model closer to the selective commercial air transport of the early jet age.
    Road transportation systems as they currently are will suffer an important transition. There will probably be a reduced incidence of long distance road cargo movements. If we’re lucky that will be partially replaced by increased railway transportation.
    In terms of people commuting, a significant increase of mass transit and electrical vehicles will probably happen. Obama just raised CAFE standards to 54 miles per gallon and more and more electrical and hybrid vehicles are already appearing in the marketplace.
    During this phase of forced adaptation, some countries will face greater challenges than others. However, the future of overall mankind and of particular countries, regions, or any groupings of people, is not yet fixed: it depends on decisions that are being taken at the present moment and on decisions that will still be taken in the future.
    So, Budiwizer, predicting the impact of Peak Oil is something that must be done through a continuously refined process of information collection and analysis, which is not as exciting as predictions of doom, gloom, and collapse.
    You wanted to discuss Peak Oil. What do you think about it and about my “perspective”?

  804. Eleuthero January 21, 2012 at 1:40 pm #

    LB said:
    Yep all the nation debt could have been handled better and excused once the fraud was uncovered, but the folks that won’t invest in this country got the money instead. Just like BP will get the Iranian oil once we steamroll through there with our buddies NATO.
    *************************************************************
    Of course the outsourcers will get the money and invest in … CHINA. Citibank is going to open hundreds of branches in China and, last I checked, not ONE new branch in the United States. Thus, there will be a coupled hundred thousand jobs for tellers, loan managers, ATM repair men, and risk managers in OTHER countries while a kid with a Mechanical Engineering degree and $40K in college loan debt wonders why he’s working at Peet’s Coffee for 18 months.
    In reading through this week’s posts, I am tragically amused by the voices of people saying that since life is “obviously” much better now than in, say, 1920, everything is hunky-dory and we ought not complain. Well, the reason things are better now is mainly due to scientific advancement … not a better economy. We’ve got vaccinations against formerly deadly diseases, many cancers that routinely killed are now often cured (Hodgkin’s Disease, for example), increased knowledge about diet and the effects of bad habits have reduced the practice of those habits (such as smoking), and everything from sanitation to basic utilities have made life far less stressful.
    However, the pollyannas overlook the fact that our SOCIAL health, as a civilization is far WORSE than 1920. Kids are almost all latch-key kids, it takes two full incomes to afford a house, divorce and ruptured families are now the rule rather than the exception, and the USA (along with France) leads the developed world in clinical depression.
    Science made us live longer and not die from bad water or curable diseases. As a civilization we have “Gone Home to Nowhere” to borrow from Jim’s book about the intense alienation of suburbia. As the Beatle’s said: “Money can’t buy me love”. We’re a nation of numbed and bummed people with plasma screen TVs. Our “opulence” is one of the greatest Pyrrhic Victories in the history of mankind.
    E.

  805. asoka. January 21, 2012 at 1:56 pm #

    Our “opulence” is one of the greatest Pyrrhic Victories in the history of mankind.
    =====================
    And that is why there is a movement toward voluntary energy descent.
    http://www.simplelivingforum.net/
    It is not the case that everyone is numbed into stupidity by staring all day at plasma screen TVs.
    OK, I can hear you saying “but only a few people are involved …”
    No, it is the world’s largest movement. Want a glance at the future? Here it is:
    http://youtu.be/N1fiubmOqH4
    The world’s largest movement is global, classless, unquenchable, and tireless.

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  806. Eleuthero January 21, 2012 at 1:57 pm #

    Bill said:
    Do you really think that if households got the $20,000 they would pay off their credit cards and save the rest? How about buying that new super-duper 60″ TV with dolby surround sound, thenew sofa and kitchen set, etc.?
    *************************************************************
    I see your point, Bill, but why should private citizens exercise fiscal responsibility when they see that every town, county, state, and federal agency has set no example of fiscal restraint whatsoever? Indeed, as irresponsible as American citizens are, average total household debt in the US is around $50K with a median household income around $48K. About 80% of that debt is mortgage debt. That’s just over a 1X multiple of income.
    If US total debt is HONESTLY reckoned (including unfunded liabilities), it is in the $100T range, more or less. Well, that’s about 35 times total federal revenue and around 20 times the revenues of ALL governing bodies of the cities, counties, states, and feds put together. Total direct revenue for all forms of government in 2011 was around $5T (it’s a tad more but let’s work with easy figures).
    Thus, as profligate as private citizens are, they are paragons of thrift compared to government. Examples are always set by our leaders, not by our populace. Our leaders are the most irresponsible spendthrifts in world history.
    E.

  807. 8man January 21, 2012 at 2:04 pm #

    Please scroll past these blocks of texts. Please erase all of my posts from the Internet. Please erase the Internet. Thank you.
    6:39
    “Wow – you can’t even engage in a polite discusion but immediately resort to all out slander. You must really know that you’re in the wrong here. ”
    Hey vlad, get that black d*ldo of yours and shove it up Alexandra’s pu*sy (I know you can’t use your puny d*ck since you are impotent like me, but that’s ok) she’s just a horny bitch! I framed the slut along time ago as soon as she opened her mouth. Jesus Ph*king Chirst what a whore! And vlad, get out of the closet, admit that you are a fagot, a queer, a disgusting filthy queer…

  808. Eleuthero January 21, 2012 at 2:09 pm #

    Ix said:
    Are you fucking morons *BLIND*? Do you not see the rot and decay, and the surface clearcutting? Want to see a real good picture of what oil tar sands are all about?
    ************************************************************
    These days, it’s just all about looking like you’re “doing something”. No matter that the Energy Returned over Energy Invested ratio for the Canadian tar sands is turning out to be in the neighborhood of 1.8:1 making it the most anti-economic bit of environmental devastation on the planet.
    The corporate-government complex, instead of copping to the total unsustainability of our lifestyles, is “kicking the can down the road” in much the same way the Fed does with its QEs. Just as the Fed is taking us further into ruin in an economy that is now structurally INCAPABLE of debt repayment or capital formation, the corporate-government complex is willing to poison water supplies permanently to get a month’s worth of oil. It’s that loony.
    E.

  809. Vlad Krandz January 21, 2012 at 2:13 pm #

    Dale, I must really have gotten to you since you scan the postings looking for negative things about me and then chime in. I have you number and I know it. How do I know? You’ve all but told me.
    Now quit fooling around and find a real Teacher and confess your sin.

  810. asoka. January 21, 2012 at 2:16 pm #

    This is the first time on earth that a powerful, non-ideological movement has arisen..During the span of the 20th century big ideologies dominated… “Ideologies stalk the earth clad in armour”… We were told that salvation would be found in the domination of a single system.
    This is where salvation will be found. We know that as biologists. We know that as community organizers. We know that as ecologists. Salvation is found in diversity. This movement is humanity’s immune response to resist and heal political disease, economic infection, and ecological corruption caused by ideologies… It is about possibilities and solutions. Humankind knows what to do.
    SOURCE: Paul Hawken’s 2006 Bioneers speech
    http://350orbust.wordpress.com/2010/08/24/climate-change-its-about-human-rights-and-democracy/

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  811. Widespreadpanic7 January 21, 2012 at 2:16 pm #

    BustinJ, the city where I work, Hartford, is full up with people who get MORE than your guaranteed $1000 per month, what with free rent (section 8), free food (food stamps), free medical care, free education for their kids (at $20,000 per student, $11000 more than the state avg.), free diapers, and the latest innovation, free breakfast, lunch, and dinner in all schools. But despite this cornucopia of free everything the recipients of this largesse seem to spend all their time breeding more dependents, shooting dope, shooting each other in the streets (a daily occurrence), burning down one another’s houses, stabbing one another, stealing cars, hanging around in the streets, selling drugs, breaking into houses in the suburbs, forming up gangs, and in general transforming what was once the wealthiest city in North America into a dystopic living sh-thole.
    Do you think there is any link between all the handouts and the chaos that reigns in inside the “Community”???
    —WSP7

  812. 8man January 21, 2012 at 2:18 pm #

    Abstraction ?
    It is interesting to here the Standard Economic Model economists go on and on with the myth of Startups, new companies, small businesses, there are all these new activities and jobs and new small companies that will generate all of these new fangled jobs, all based on Innovation and Research and Development and Services, you name it, we need ever more Education, we need so many new fangled Specific Skill Sets for all of these new small companies Startups, Venture Capitalist companies investing in all of these new ideas, activities, and what not hiring “Millions” (since we now have millions of unemployed in the USA, EU and JAPAN). And this same magic formula will save the once rich First World, the three stooges, USA, EU and JAPAN.
    And actually, nobody ever, no one on earth ever asks EXACTLY WHAT ARE THESE NEW COMPANIES GOING TO PRODUCE ? EXACTLY WHAT, SPECIFICALLY WHAT KINDS OF JOBS, WHAT ACTIVITIES, WHAT INTERACTIONS, WHAT PRODUCTS AND SERVICES (that we never knew we needed) ARE ALL OF THESE NEW SMALL BUSINESSES GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN ?
    No, no one ever asks, it is there somewhere, it is some abstract formula, just say Startup and Innovation and Education and automatically all kinds of wicked new jobs, ideas and activities will come along. Of course, it is better that it all remains in the abstract, fluff, that no one ever really asks such questions otherwise the huge deception, fairy tale, the huge ride they are all taking us for would be revealed.
    So keep on imaging that there will be oh, so many new activities and jobs and such, we just need more education and a better skill set, there is all of this worldwide demand for so many new fangled goods and services you wouldn’t believe it!
    What we really need is huge public private projects hiring millions seriously, Skyscrapers, Rockets to Mars, Bus Systems, you name it…

  813. Vlad Krandz January 21, 2012 at 2:19 pm #

    Bingo. You have pointed out the cornerstone of Chinese Political Thought from Ancient Times: the common man will emulate the great. If the Elite do not show any probity or prudence, why expect it from them?
    What do you think of free money? Since the Banks create it out of nothing – and then charge interest on it, why shouldn’t the State do it and not charge interest? It would be a bare minimum for everyone and most people would still want to work to get more and for the prestige, fight boredom, creativity, etc.

  814. Vlad Krandz January 21, 2012 at 2:23 pm #

    They’re degenerates and should be disuaded from breeding at all. It’s not for nothing that the early Planned Parenthood set up near ghettoes. And yes, some Whites are like this too, but Blacks are the worst.

  815. Vlad Krandz January 21, 2012 at 2:27 pm #

    Yes quite right. That’s why we must maintain international borders and states rights. What kind of cell disregards the wall of other cells? The Cancer Cell.
    Biological Diversity? Also important. Don’t blend everything together and then call it diversity. That’s oxymoronic. Maintain the White, Black, Brown, and Yellows in all their diversity.
    The whold diversity movement is just an example of the mass stupidity of the average man since it acutally working against its state goal.

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  816. lbendet January 21, 2012 at 2:28 pm #

    E.
    Yes, the globalists did nuke the industrial base of the US and all investments are going to Asia and other BRIC countries.
    Your comment about science bettering our lives. T’is true, but what makes you think the US is going to enjoy any scientific benefits in the future.
    Why do we need it, anymore? If industry and employment will take place elsewhere, if the Republicans hate science and want to institute fundamentalism in government, I guess we won’t be needing the scientific advances either.
    The ideas are all there in pockets in this country on hot spotting issues for economic development in a sustainable way, but these ideas are not being expressed to the larger population.
    Meanwhile the politicians are misleading the public to buy into their: If you don’t lower taxes on the rich and if you don’t get rid of regulations=laws, why then they won’t employ you.
    Blackmail works every time!
    The charge card debt is indicative of not having the wages one needs to stay afloat in what was supposed to be a supportable lifestyle. Though we are intellectually aware of societal debt, everything still feels normal, so people continue doing the same thing…they don’t change until they have to.

  817. BeantownBill January 21, 2012 at 2:30 pm #

    E, I pretty much agree with you, but I think it’s a matter of “what comes first, the chicken or the egg”. The citizenry and the government are co-conspirators in the wrecking of our country – the difference is a matter of degree. The people elect their thieving, corrupt, wack-job of a government. But we shouldn’t argue about who’s more responsible; our country is not doing well and its future is very uncertain, and the issue is, what can we do about it?

  818. Vlad Krandz January 21, 2012 at 2:33 pm #

    Sorry about you wife. I envy your isolation. Try to use it to realize that there would be no Universe without a prior Consciousness. Just like at night you are a character in your own creations, but there would be no creation or drama without you to begin with. You as a character forget that and often suffer terribly – until awakening.

  819. Vlad Krandz January 21, 2012 at 2:38 pm #

    You must have seen how she rejected my calm discussion of men’s rights and launched a vicious ad hominem attack. How about you? Do you also see men as 2nd class citizens who have to sacrafice their lives for women they don’t know?
    That meme died – women killed it. Now own your decison. The old ways had their beauty but the price was high for both sexes. And they were often enforced by force: the Officers of the Titanic had their pistols drawn – some men wanted to live you see.

  820. Vlad Krandz January 21, 2012 at 2:44 pm #

    Taking out the Trash is one of the most dangerous of jobs in big cities like New York. The workers face HIV needles and exploding chemicals. How come no women want to do it?
    Women and Gays hate hard work and getting dirty. That’s how to screen out gay postalants: put the Seminaries in the Monastaries and make them work in the fields for their bread! I love myself and my brilliance.

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  821. BeantownBill January 21, 2012 at 2:54 pm #

    LB, who gets elected in November will depend on what will have happened during the year. I will not vote for anyone (except for k-dog) because that contributes to the continuation of our rotten system.
    My personal history has been such that around this point in the election process I begin to get frustrated. I’m now frustrated that Newt is peaking, although negative campaigning has been elevated to an art form. The idea that I’d have to look at and listen to him for 4-8 years nauseates me. But 4 more years of Obama’s fascism nauseates me as well. I guess I just won’t be satisfied.
    I’d bet, everything else being equal, economic indicators will be manipulated to make the appearance that things are getting better. But everything else may not be equal. Our ME adventures may backfire, European collapse may not be able to hold out until November, and climate change may produce large-scale disasters.
    And that black bird of happiness, the Black Swan, always threatens to disrupt us. And using older vernacular, the most potent factor may well be Mr. Murphy. His law can wreak havoc.
    Hang on, this ride is going to be a real trip.

  822. Vlad Krandz January 21, 2012 at 2:54 pm #

    Franco was a noble man. I mean have you ever read about the atrocities of the Spanish Communists? Sure there were incidents on our side, but with your side the brutality and executions were huge and systematic.
    Franco pardoned many and others got reasonable prison sentences. By no means did he kill all he could have or as many as some called for.

  823. budizwiser January 21, 2012 at 2:56 pm #

    Well part of what I’m looking for – is some measure of discourse and how, what where and why any level of independent action will actually result in preservation of living standards or status quo.
    I realize that Peak Oil means much less to people in a tropical climate of an (under)”developed” nation.
    But is a perspective that involves intelligent centralized, albeit, democratic solutions so ridiculous? Do the rich have it right? Money wins, there is no inalienable right to resource allocation?
    Two generations ago, much of the rural population was closer to self-sustainability. This is hardly the case now…….
    Inaction in the next decade will result in eventual chaos.

  824. Vlad Krandz January 21, 2012 at 2:59 pm #

    Maybe your psych meds are making you impotent. Have you talked to your doctor?

  825. Buck Stud January 21, 2012 at 3:08 pm #

    Since the Titanic sunk in 1912, and the chivalrous society you espouse was still alive more or less, why were men being forced at gunpoint to live up to the social contract? You see, Vlad, you want it all: an obedient woman and the right to throw her off the boat all at the same time if your “manly” life is in peril. In other words, the right to break the social contract when it benefits your own personal interest. And yet, you wonder why the feminist movement gained traction.
    Not that all of your analysis is utterly incoherent and corrupt. For instance, I don’t want a quota hire woman firefighter trying to drag my strapping body out of a burning building. Muscle is damned heavy after all, and this is one instance where innate ability and capability should trump the social/economic scales.

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  826. Vlad Krandz January 21, 2012 at 3:14 pm #

    Yes women are now “self supporting” (with lots of State help) and are more miserable than ever. Women have become the men they wanted to marry and now “Where have all the good men gone” is the cry. Women want to look up to a man – both financially and emotionally. Why do you think all the English girls are going Muslim? They know how to control women and don’t take any guff like White Men do. We should take a clue from our Brown Brothers on this. Or maybe we should just give up and convert. I mean the West may be past saving with the rabid Marxism and Feminist hate now dominant.
    Think of it this way: you people won the Culture War and that just accelarated the Decline of the West. Any culture that can’t arrange its affairs to maintain its own employment, birth rate, and social services is sick. And then to bring in more minority dependants just to create votes – as Labor admits that it did – well that’s just pure FAIL on a massive scale.
    Alexandra honey, it’s time for you to veil up and find yourself a good Muslim Man. Whatever savings you have will be your dowry – a bribe to induce him to take you on. Hope it’s a big one or you wont have any takers. I mean even if you try to act sweet and demure, you wont be able to fool anyone at this point – too far gone.
    Btw, my position is a little more subtle than what you portrayed. I admit there are a few female warrior types. And adventurers, spies etc. But that shouldn’t become an image for ordinary girls to aspire too – it’s completely ludicrous since it fits so few. No these outliers should have to overcome ordinary girl propaganda – if they’re genuine they will persevere. For ordinary girls/women, marriage and family are the means to the greatest happiness. And they are too valuable in that role to risk in war as front line soldiers.

  827. Vlad Krandz January 21, 2012 at 3:23 pm #

    No, I just see the alternatives that’s all. If I had enjoyed all the benefits of the Anglo Patriarchy then it would be bad form to buck it when it called for self sacrafice. But men by and large haven’t enjoyed those benefits for generations now, so why should they sacrafice themselves for strange women? A wife and mother to your children would be another story.
    It’s the Feminists who want to have their Glory Cake and eat it to. And never even say thank you. It’s just a superiority trip – and dying for people who despise you is despicable. You must have noticed how Alexandra didn’t want to talk but launched a full on attack? So why don’t you write her then? Surely you aren’t under the spell too?
    And even the Titanic had many other dark sides. The second class pasengers never had much of a chance. And many of the lifeboats were lowered half full – and the women refused to row back for the men in the water.

  828. Vlad Krandz January 21, 2012 at 3:30 pm #

    Bibi is very angry at Obama so some big money may be going Newt’s way now. He is totally behind Israel as is Romney too. But Romney has his own money so might not be reliable? (rising note)
    But for most American Jews, Liberalism is a religion and they will vote Obama. See? I admit that there is complexity in the Jewish World and not just one big Monolith. That’s not to say that there is no big Monolithic Conspiracy though…

  829. MissusQuiche January 21, 2012 at 3:34 pm #

    “Somewhat later during the last Ice Age more people crossed over. These look like they were Siberian Mongoloid nomads.”
    Rhino, how offensive and politically incorrect of you to say this!! Appropriate terminology today would be “developmentally delayed” Siberian nomads.

  830. BeantownBill January 21, 2012 at 3:43 pm #

    Vlad, since you obviously know so much about the Jewish World Conspiracy, could you please use your influence so I could gain membership? I must be the only non-rich, powerless Jew on the planet. There’s so many great benefits to be a member.
    I, for one, will not be voting for Obama; neither is my wife. But, you’re probably right, Jews will most likely support him, in general. Which by itself destroys your argument about how intelligent we are.

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  831. Buck Stud January 21, 2012 at 3:46 pm #

    OK, thanks for your clarification/point of view. In many ways, I have a hard time arguing against your point here, although my own personal experience hasn’t been as traumatic as what you have experienced, or so I presume. But I have noticed some very militant/feminist attitudes in certain segments of society. Years ago in a teacher training class a woman professor showed a film of a female teacher castigating a high-school male student for calling another student a “queer”. This female teacher also told this kid that “he was never ever going to do this again, even off school grounds”. Well after the film, the female professor asked for our thoughts. I told her that the teacher had overstepped boundaries in addition to displaying a very disdainful attitude toward the male student. Of course, this infuriated the professor; she was demanding consensus veiled in a question. What was funny about this entire exchange was some gay students in the class agreed with me, while many of the female students were appalled at my opinion. But I had these female students measured up fairly well: they were savoring and relishing a future in which they could castrate the spirit of red-blooded males, as opposed to shining a light on morality ethics.In other words, power trippers and stuffed mannequins wielding the sword of political correctness in the most formulaic and personally convenient manner imaginable.
    Right then and there I decided the classroom was not a place where my future would reside.

  832. Vlad Krandz January 21, 2012 at 4:27 pm #

    Old’s clarion call to split the sun is not as crazy as it sounds. For what is the sun but a nucleus of an atom and the planets electrons? Or conversely, the sun the nucleus of a cell within the body of the Galaxy Beast?

  833. asoka. January 21, 2012 at 4:33 pm #

    how, what where and why any level of independent action will actually result in preservation of living standards or status quo.

    The movement is not toward maintaining the status quo because it cannot be maintained after Peak Oil. Our current living standards are too wasteful and should not be maintained. Preservation of the status quo equals the death of the planet.
    The movement is toward a low energy consumption lifestyle, a sustainable lifestyle, a high quality of life lifestyle. More touch, less tech. More sharing with humans, less isolation and division. More celebration, less consumption.
    If your worry is how to maintain our current living standards, your reading of JHK and this blog has been a waste of time.
    The American Way of Life is Negotiable. The American Way of Life will end. The Laws of Physics will see to that, just as miscegenation is doing away with the traditional White majority.

  834. Vlad Krandz January 21, 2012 at 4:35 pm #

    It’s no good arguing: you are smarter as both IQ stats and your incomes indicate. (The positive relationship between these has long been established).
    You want in? Get involved in Bnai Brith, the Jewish Masonry. Advancement is by invitation so be willing to kiss ass. Also membership in other organizations such as ACLU and SPLC, Jewish Congress etc.
    I know – boring and alot of grovelling. My Jewish friend has no interest either. But I told him if things get bad to go over to Brookline and get in line. He’s worked hard – there’s no reason he should have to wait in a bread line with goons. The Jews are masters of survival and will no doubt take care of their own.
    The kind of person who rises to the top is exactly the kind that shouldn’t. An old story in all cultures except the Aristocratic. The skill set of climbing and clawing is completely different than that of ruling. And of course, Aristocracies can go bad too.

  835. Vlad Krandz January 21, 2012 at 4:40 pm #

    Bravo and again Bravo! Brother! It is time to embrace your destiny as a White Man and a Ruler.
    Well let’s not get carried away. One step at a time. Btw, your last point in your previous post: many Feminists now believe that women are as strong as men and will become livid at the contrary suggestion. They are utterly out to lunch – proof that women on the whole don’t deserve the right to vote. But then again, neither do most men.
    If you search the hidden corners of the Femosphere, you will find support for the idea of reducing the male population to 10%. Your intuition of their hatred were completely correct. The worst of them want genocide. The others just continuance of the current servitude.

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  836. Vlad Krandz January 21, 2012 at 4:45 pm #

    Friends, forgive me. I have to go out now and “do” some things in the dream called the real world. I’ll try to be back later. Until then, au revoir.

  837. tegmark January 21, 2012 at 5:36 pm #

    Please scroll past these blocks of texts. Please erase all of my posts from the Internet. Please erase the Internet. Thank you.
    Like when you see a pretty face and she opens her mouth and you don’t like her anymore; what is it ? logic kills instinct ? logic changes the perception of pretty ? the sound of the voice ? the threat ? the feeling that she will provide an opposition to your will power ? not feminine enough ? not the right magic combination ofpretty, body, movements, sound of voice and even the block of texts emitting ? wow, what a very rare complex combination you are searching for, of course it is impossible, but you cover it up by adding artifacts, you make believe that it is better than what it is, you are triggering good feelings (when none should be triggered?) or you are trying to make it up, both in the terms of invention and in the terms of trying to add to.
    Logic and instinct get mixed up, don’t know what to do, don’t know how to separate themselves and they get confused and lie to each other. Basic impulse and all our aesthetic requirements..
    And even when the rare magic combination is found and you can interact and all goes well (it must be reciprocal, which will make it even harder, she must like you, fat chance as you suck so much but you think you don’t, you think you are cool, go figure) every instant, every event, anything at all is a trial and error, just one small invisible bit goes wrong and the entire fragile construction is shattered in a million pieces, you lose all; but you will try to go back in time, try to change what happened, but to no avail, and even if she wants to go back, you really can’t, it is dead, done, over, or you can fake it for a while or even forever, but it won’t be “like before”, etc. And then anything can break the magic, maybe the voice isn’t as nice as it was a second ago, maybe that new block of text she emits is slightly ugly and logic kills all the rest ? how strange, what a mess…
    Don’t make bleive that you are simpler and more basic than all of that BS, don’t be a snob and deny how Unatural and Fake and totally artificial you really are; snotty snob showing how close to nature you are when you are simply a machine, block of text, a flow of thoughts, a microprocessor running a crashed program that doesn’t know what it is doing, all Man Brains are totally artificial constructions, fake, false constructions emitting, nay, vomiting a sea of lies to the outside world and to themselves and all.
    Good luck. Sorry that I sh*ted on the Internet again.

  838. asoka. January 21, 2012 at 5:46 pm #

    you are simply a machine, block of text, a flow of thoughts, a microprocessor running a crashed program that doesn’t know what it is doing, all Man Brains are totally artificial constructions
    ====================
    Confusing your brain/mind with you again?
    You are not your body or your mind. But to know that requires dis-identification, usually accomplished through meditation, leading to a state of no-mind.
    Then relaxation is possible, the striving is over, and it’s all good.
    Meditation brings rebellion in life — rebellion against all traditions, conventions, dogmas, creeds, rebellion against the whole past, because unless you are completely clean of the past you cannot be totally herenow. And unless you are totally herenow you will never know what the truth is. — Osho

  839. tegmark January 21, 2012 at 5:49 pm #

    We are our own worst enemy always. Please give us back Nothing, we don’t need anything else anymore, just give us back our old Nothing, Nothing forever, pretty please…

  840. tegmark January 21, 2012 at 5:53 pm #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177908&start=50
    And this ph*cking website is becoming a poetry class…

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  841. bubbleheadMarc January 21, 2012 at 6:08 pm #

    Have you read “The Zen Doctrine of No Mind” by DT Suzuki?

  842. asoka. January 21, 2012 at 6:12 pm #

    Budizwiser, before we can even talk about Peak Oil, we have to know how much oil we are talking about. Oil production has been measured by the Hubbert linearization, using the logistic and Gompertz models. (They calculate normalizations for the rate of change of production have to depict the trends of oil production)
    Estimated cumulative production based upon the Hubbert linearization of the oil history indicates a total ultimately recoverable resource (URR) for all liquids of 2.6 terabarrels (Tb).
    The Gompertz URR is projected to be near 4 Tb for all liquids including non-traditional sources. But since on CFN we all know about EROEI and don’t want desperate measures to be taken that destroy our drinking water and environment, let’s ignore the non-traditional sources.
    Besides we have corroboration of the Hubbert linearization with the United States Geological Survey estimate of 2.5 Tb URR. That very closely approximates the projected 2.6 Tb URR.
    The normalization of the change of rate of oil production to the rate of production shows a peak potential of 95 million barrels production per day based on the projected URR of 2.6 Tb.
    So, what does all that mean? A terabarrel is one thousand billion barrels. How long will 2.6 terabarrels last?
    Well, divide 2.6 Tb by the daily production rate and we have 27.3684211 years of oil supply left. Unless we drastically reduce consumption … and make it last longer.
    The biggest waste of oil is by the military and its wars.
    Are you ready to reduce the size and scope of the USA military, Budizwiser? Do you still want to talk about Peak Oil and What is Happening? (Hint: giant big government military is the biggest waste of fossil fuels.) Do you dare say that out loud to your friends and family?

  843. asoka. January 21, 2012 at 6:16 pm #

    No.
    I read Zen Mind, Beginner’s Mind by Suzuki in 1970.

  844. Bustin J January 21, 2012 at 6:21 pm #

    Buck said “In other words, power trippers and stuffed mannequins wielding the sword of political correctness in the most formulaic and personally convenient manner imaginable.
    Right then and there I decided the classroom was not a place where my future would reside.”
    Don’t cut & run brother. Stand and deliver!
    I am steeped in an institution where there is a loud-mouthed anti-male, pro”feminista” contingent. The fears of wholesale cultural takeover are overblown though. While the radicals spend their days and nights double-dildoing with their girlfriends, and boi-toys, most of the rest have a good head on their shoulders and it might surprise you how many clearly see “feminism” as a collection of unreasonable complaints, and critical of the extreme rhetoric coming from that camp.
    Ultimately, I think questions of an essential biological nature, while controversial, work themselves out, and never in a way that runs against biology.
    But you’re right, a good moderator would not press an agenda for the kids to argue about and think through but provide ample kindling for light and heat to reach its potential.
    lbendit said “what makes you think the US is going to enjoy any scientific benefits in the future. Why do we need it, anymore? If industry and employment will take place elsewhere, if the Republicans hate science and want to institute fundamentalism in government, I guess we won’t be needing the scientific advances either.”
    The clear, troubling trend here is twofold:
    1. The campaign to sustain the unsustainable. The unsustainable is all the old technology of the 20th centruy: cars, suburbs, desktop computers, Uranium-based nuclear power, and the 2 party system (even more obsolete).
    2. Industry and employment in the unsustainable, in a rational forward-thinking intelligent nation, should be discarded as soon as possible, and the focus should be on sustainable alternatives.
    3. Private industry is moving too slow. The major corporate powers are focusing on unsustainable solutions, and the minor revolutionaries are srtuggling just to set up. The government is locked into doing the simplest thing: rubber-stamping H1-B visas, against the harder project of helping guide us into the 21st century and acting as if there is a future worth pursuing.

  845. asoka. January 21, 2012 at 6:22 pm #

    And this ph*cking website is becoming a poetry class…

    Poetry is very relevant to Peak Oil and TLE.
    Here is a verse from the Peak Oil Poet:
    i’ve often wondered if the peak of population looms
    and our time is bright but short – just like a fleeting flower blooms
    and maybe there’s no going back – the tipping point’s been crossed
    ’cause we’re all of us the most we’ll be – peak people
    SOURCE: http://thepeakoilpoet.blogspot.com/

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  846. Widespreadpanic7 January 21, 2012 at 6:30 pm #

    Hey Vlad my wife’s dad and a few of her uncles served in Franco’s army. Several more uncles fought on the Republican side.
    That was a nasty civil war, over 1 million killed. Spaniards are bitter about it to this day. A few years back, when Zapatera was still president, we tried to visit El Caudillos grave. We found it off limits, and potential visitors had to register their names with the police. Mass graves are still being found all around Spain; last summer the bodies of a bunch of priests executed by the communists were found during an excavation in Madrid. Franco’s side had its own death squads and did plenty of killing, too.
    The issues of the Spanish Civil War were never really resolved, and probably never will be. They still fester underneath the surface. Then again, were the issues of our own civil war ever really resolved? I would say yes. Some people would say no.
    –WSP7

  847. asoka. January 21, 2012 at 6:37 pm #

    Hey, check out the scene at the big Romney victory party in Columbia, South Carolina … 35 min before polls close. http://t.co/2lHHSeDb

  848. Bustin J January 21, 2012 at 6:40 pm #

    8 man said “Interactions between groups of people, between 2 people are always a person searching for confirmation for himself, always looking for a good judgment, or any judgment, or any trigger of a flow of thoughts in the other person or any possible conditioning of the other person’s will power by making him answer and interact, etc.”
    You should actually study philosophy, history, writing, communication, and logic. You are totally ineffective as a communicator.
    The above definition of discourse reflects the fractured, prismatic nature of web dialouge and the self-interest inherent in the consumer-dominated society, as well as the conceit of modern social etiquette.
    The primary ideas of the early modern philosophers were the well-thought out and carefully worded letters in correspondence written during times of contemplation. There was a careful use of language, a specificity in the writing, and a mutual respect for logic and reason.
    This was the practice of philosophy, and the highest value was in using all the tools of logic, reason, observation, and critical thinking to establish an awareness of truth, of what could be accomplished by thought alone, in discerning true principles otherwise hidden from our ordinary senses.
    David Hume didn’t write letters to have the satisfaction of having his opinion in an external form, he wrote to establish a stronger argument, to provoke in his correspondence a dialogue that would advance the human race, out of an age of extreme prejudice and ignorance.
    It was the belief, that by analysis by logic alone, someone could know what is true and what is bullshit, what is possible and impossible that was unusual. The early modern philsophers proved that, not only do we not live in a relativistic universe, we live in a universe apprehendable by reason.
    In this regard, bad forms of thought result in false conclusions about reality, and good forms only result in true conclusions.
    The prescription for humanity was simple: improve the way you think and it improves your ability to know true things about the future. The alternative is medieval confusion of irrational thinking, unjustified beliefs, and so on and so forth.
    We do live in a concrete reality whose laws are discrete, in which physical behavior can explain nearly everything. Language has laws, Logic has laws, and mathematics is the same everywhere. Nothing is, in fact, relative. There is another world, that exists only the minds of people who do not use logic- in that world, any belief is possible. If you live in that world, the consequences are that, sooner or later, you rub up against something real. At that point, if you have no logic to use, you’ll likely invent some reason for the discrepancy, and then your prejudices will survive to make more mistakes in the future.
    The earlier in life you start practicing logic and applying reason, and investigating reality critically, the better off you are. People that do not cultivate no better perception of reality and indeed, establish a great deal of non-sense, upon which nothing accurate or true can be established, except by accident.

  849. dale January 21, 2012 at 6:42 pm #

    I have you number and I know it. How do I know? You’ve all but told me.
    —————————–
    No Vlad, that’s just you having another manic episode.

  850. Bustin J January 21, 2012 at 6:58 pm #

    WSP7 raised this “BustinJ, the city where I work, Hartford, is full up with people who get MORE than your guaranteed $1000 per month, what with free rent (section 8), free food (food stamps), free medical care, free education for their kids (at $20,000 per student, $11000 more than the state avg.), free diapers, and the latest innovation, free breakfast, lunch, and dinner in all schools. But despite this cornucopia of free everything the recipients of this largesse seem to spend all their time breeding more dependents, shooting dope, shooting each other in the streets (a daily occurrence), burning down one another’s houses, stabbing one another, stealing cars, hanging around in the streets, selling drugs, breaking into houses in the suburbs, forming up gangs, and in general transforming what was once the wealthiest city in North America into a dystopic living sh-thole.
    Do you think there is any link between all the handouts and the chaos that reigns in inside the “Community”???”
    I’ve heard about the situation in Connecticut. I’m also aware that a guaranteed income is not a panacea. But it is also not qualitatively the same thing as the above mixed bag of benefits and incentives.
    I think its not reasonable to blame a possible solution as a failure before it has been tried. Dirtbagville, Connecticut, and its dystopian situation, does not mean that a guaranteed income program wouldn’t provide benefits at large.
    Crime is crime, a failure of policing. The breeding of dependents is a long-lamented problem with a solution not in the scope of a guaranteed income program. It is a worthy topic of discussion in its own right.
    Personally, I think a social shaming approach could be successful, but it cuts both ways, and there would be a lot of hue and cry about unfairness. After all we live in a country that is trending against contraception- celebrating unplanned pregnancies and becoming more and more worshipful of procreation and large families.
    I might suggest a state-sponsored series of advertisements illustrating how unsatisfying and difficult it is to raise children, and establish some more realistic images of poor family planning with some retarded babies, obese mothers. Oh yeah, I almost forgot- Wage’s idea of paying people cash money to get sterilized.
    All of these are solutions. As for Connecticut, it is a cautionary tale. What does a town do when every productive citizen leaves, and there is nowhere to buy groceries by a neighborhood 7-11. Creativity is in abundance. There are solutions, we just haven’t tried them yet.
    In some places, it isn’t enough to just give people subsistence money. They should be given the necessary tools to create local economies and build skill sets. That might mean kicking the Mexicans out so entry-level jobs become available, or subsidizing start-ups for the basic community needs like fuel, food, and fiber. And of course, the implementation of proper policework.
    We can’t stop moving forward because America has some bad parts. The Guaranteed income program will put drugs and alcohol in quite a few stomachs, its true. But that is the pursuit of happiness for some. Lets stop moralizing a war on drugs which is costing so much money. Lets create a safety net and then go about approaching the project of civilizing our trouble-spots.

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  851. dale January 21, 2012 at 7:00 pm #

    Hey, check out the scene at the big Romney victory party in Columbia, South Carolina … 35 min before polls close. http://t.co/2lHHSeDb
    ——————————————-
    Yeah! don’t be late.
    My hunch is the Republicans are in self destruct mode this cycle. Unfortuanately, the Democrats refuse to behave as if they are an actual opposition party to the corporatist/corruption hegemony….instead of the pale shadow of same.

  852. asoka. January 21, 2012 at 7:42 pm #

    CORRECTION
    We have 27.3684211 years of oil supply left from traditional (reserves and low-hanging fruit) sources and another 20 years from unconventional sources,
    for a total of 47 years oil supply left.

  853. Vlad Krandz January 21, 2012 at 7:46 pm #

    The siege of the Alcazar was one of the most glorious episodes in recent history. The Nationalist (or whatever they were called) held out for weeks against the Communist “Republicans”.
    They called the Commander on the phone – they had his son. They put him on and the Commander said, Just die with “Viva Espana” on your lips and I’ll see you in heaven. No surrender.
    Of course Snafu et al aren’t totally to be blamed: the media has been completely Leftist for generations now – even back then for the most part. We hear all about Hemingway and Orwell and the other artists who went to fight for the Communists, but nothing about the men who went to fight for Spain as a unique Nation with a long history – which the Leftists cared nothing for then or now. Just as by voting for Gingrich you help end America. Militarism exhausts a Nation and then it falls easy prey. Ron Paul will strenghten our defences by bringing the Troops back here. Military expenditures is not the same as Defence.

  854. Buck Stud January 21, 2012 at 8:05 pm #

    A “ruler” – that’s pretty hilarious. As for women hating men, I’m not so sure in the vast majority of cases. I think most people go along and tow the party line in order to collect a paycheck or get a job. And to be fair, some of the repressive, reactionary party line is a result of Columbine and other mass tragedies on school grounds. In this day and age, a toy wooden gun or a water squirt gun will get a kid expelled for not a small amount of time. And a good old fashioned fistfight – not a chance in hell. Essentially, primal urges which might naturally expunge negative emotions and behavior are repressed in the name of a flaccid conformity. But real violence with real weapons continues nonetheless. It’s the Stepford Wife solution via the lowest common denominator of mass safety concern. But what else can be done?
    And yes, a few Nurse Ratched’s push a dis-honorble agenda, sharpening their Randal McMurphy knives for a little male reduction surgery.

  855. asoka. January 21, 2012 at 8:06 pm #

    Just as by voting for Gingrich you help end America.
    ——————–
    Hey, South Carolina is full of fighters for America and South Carolina decided for Gingrich.
    Gingrich has family values. He involves all his family in his drama. He sent his daughters from his first wife to attack the second wife, in order to defend the third wife. Gingrich is a family man.

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  856. asoka. January 21, 2012 at 8:12 pm #

    Ron Paul will strenghten our defences by bringing the Troops back here.
    =================
    After South Carolina it is time for both Romney and Paul to join Cain, Huntsman, and Perry.
    Romney and Paul should bow out of the race and let Gingrich and Santorum go at it.

  857. Bustin J January 21, 2012 at 8:45 pm #

    “CORRECTION
    We have 27.3684211 years of oil supply left from traditional (reserves and low-hanging fruit) sources and another 20 years from unconventional sources,
    for a total of 47 years oil supply left.”
    Asoka is right: we have 47 years of decreasing supplies of oil.
    That means we are on the wrong side of Hubbard’s curve.
    In other words the decrease in supply will be exponential.
    We’re burning through the Margin of Error now…

  858. Bustin J January 21, 2012 at 8:54 pm #

    Asoka said “Let’s face it: Big Oil is used to getting its way. But not today… and we have President Obama to thank for standing up to them in spite of the political risk. President Obama has just rejected a permit for the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline, a project that promised riches for the oil giants and an environmental disaster for the rest of us. His decision represents a victory of historic proportions for people from the pipeline’s path and all across America who have waged an uphill, years-long fight against one of the most nightmarish fossil fuel projects of our time.” * Robert Fucking Redford. -in 1201
    Oh please, gag me with a spoon. What about the 600,000 miles of pipeline in the US, mostly not as carefully designed as the Keystone XL? And don’t you realize, Mr. Redford, that the president is almost certainly planning to allow the pipeline to proceed, once he has got your money and your vote for opposing it?

  859. Buck Stud January 21, 2012 at 9:24 pm #

    I might decide to teach in a classrooms setting someday. But with so little hours in a day, and with so many art teachers reduced to babysitting duty, my choice was an easy one. And that old adage, ‘those who can’t, teach’ haunted me in earlier days as in I should really have something valuable to impart before I actually start teaching.
    Beyond that I have my own ideas about how art should be taught. Often, art is taught as a compliment to other classes. For example, if the history class is studying Native Americans, the art class might focus on ceramics/pottery. I’m not saying this is all bad,in fact it is good, but I believe art has been marginalized in terms of the full impact it is capable of delivering if taught as a more serious discipline. I have no hard evidence to back up my claims, but I know my own mind came to a greater fruition when I began to train in representational observation and memory training. And not simply for the sake of mimetic fastidiousness, but also for the sake of receiving feedback on preconceived notions and acknowledging faulty observation: that first angle that is the foundation of the entirety is really more of a 7 to 2 o’clock angle rather than an 8 to 3; why wasn’t that observed, or at least corrected?
    I also believe art can be taught as a metaphor. How do we sculpt the material of our life/society without undercutting ourselves in the process? And yet, at some point in the process, we must remove material in order to ‘see around the corner’. But, in many instances, we never know for sure if we are undercutting ourselves before we actually remove the material; we just have to hold the chisel in a way that minimizes the possibility of doing so. Moving forward into the great unknown and non-guaranteed with the sharpest tools and greatest awareness/intelligence – what else can be done?
    As a former master carver once told me, when you think you have gone too far you probably have only gone far enough. But “too far” arrives in the blink of an eye as I have learned too many times to count. In fact, you might say I’m an expert on the subject.

  860. MissusQuiche January 21, 2012 at 9:40 pm #

    This essay published Jan 5th nicely sums up my view of politics, politicians and Ron Paul. I apologize in advance for its length.
    Elections and the Illusion of Choice
    The political season has unleashed its predictable frenzy, much to delight of people who make a living off it. But to what end? There are only two types of politicians who end up holding office, wrote H.L. Mencken: “first, glorified mob-men who genuinely believe what the mob believes, and secondly, shrewd fellows who are willing to make any sacrifice of conviction and self-respect in order to hold their jobs.”
    The about sums it up. The plus side of elections is that sometimes the debates, discussions, candidates and parties raise fundamental questions about what kind of society we want to live in. That’s the best we can hope for.
    But there is a downside to all this hullabaloo: It gives the impression that the mere existence of the electoral process gives “we the people” a fundamental choice about the kind of state we want. This is not true. The politicians we elect are veneers or facades. They are bandits, but they do not constitute what is called the state. This goes for just about every developed state in the world for the last 200 years.
    The whole election process leads people to believe that the state is in embedded in leaders. Not so. In France, this system ended with the execution of Louis XVI; in Germany, with the ascent of Bismarck; and in Russia, with the Bolshevik Revolution. The personal state died in the U.S. pretty early on, as even Thomas Jefferson discovered when he became president in 1801; he felt himself powerless to do anything.
    The modern state lives outside the will of a particular leader or administration. Voting and elections only change the temporary managers, but do not touch the core of the problem.
    The first book that saw through the facade was by the great German sociologist Franz Oppenheimer. It is called, appropriately, The State. It was written in 1908, just as the state had begun to entrench itself deeply into the social order — more so than at any point in the previous thousand years. He described the state as the one class that dominates all others, obeying a different law and thriving off violence against person and property. He sums up this violence in a phrase: the “political means.” He contrasts this with the “economic means,” the essence of which is voluntary human association and trade. (His book came to have an amazing influence through Albert Jay Nock’s Our Enemy, the State.)
    Violence? That sounds like the opposite of elections, doesn’t it? Surely, we are exercising our free will in deciding who leads us. The truth is that the people who run for office specialize mostly in what they do best: running and getting elected as an end in itself. The real state is beneath the surface of this public theater. It is the vast army of professional bureaucrats and the mandates they carry out. It is the enforcement apparatus that oversees a gargantuan tax code. It is the Federal Register that is too large to print. It is the central bankers, their staffs, their machinery, their mandate to bail out the state no matter what. It is the hundreds and thousands of agencies that purport to control every aspect of life.
    No voter ever approved any of this; no election puts any of this at risk. This is because the state itself is not subject to any plebiscite. Imagine if all the elected officials in the entire country and all those who work in their offices decided not to show up to work for an extended period. What would happen? New bills wouldn’t pass. The media wouldn’t have politics to cover. There would be a periodic scramble over superficial issues like the debt limit. But otherwise, the state would go on just as before. Nothing fundamental would change.
    Nor is it the case that any of the elected officials have the power to do serious damage to this system. This goes for the president, too. They can often influence the way the state grows, but they can’t actually fundamentally threaten the apparatus itself. The longer they are in office, the less personal power they realize that they have. The reason is simple. The system is not structured to permit them to dismantle it, even if they wanted to. They are temporary managers of a ruling class, and the members of this class mostly scoff at these people, treating them like actors on a stage that the class itself owns.
    The best source to gain a full grasp of the realities of the modern state apparatus is Robert Higgs’ amazing work , Against Leviathan. No contemporary author has so fully documented the vast expanse of the modern leviathan in all its permutations. He sees how welfare and warfare are not opposed to each other, but work together to form the main two activities of the modern state. He sees how central banking works to sustain the system. He understands the ways in which the state serves as a cash cow for every form of interest group, and how it works to trick the population into believing that the state is doing good for people when it is really wrecking their lives.
    Most of all, Higgs gets that the political system that so enraptures the public mind is not owned by us. It is owned and managed by the state itself and for a precise purpose: to perpetuate the idea that we have all chosen the regime that rules us. That is why there is so little difference between the political parties. As Higgs puts it, the U.S. has “two revolving factions of a one-party state farcically masquerade as authentic alternatives, the one specializing in crushing economic freedom and the other concentrating on crushing every other form of freedom.”
    After the election is all over — in a grueling 10 months! — and our new managers take their seats, the talking heads will tell us once more: “The system worked.” Yes, it did work in exactly the way they want it to work. Nothing much will change. If you don’t like the results, there is something wrong with you. If you don’t like the rules, taxes, human suffering, wars, inflation, intrusions, confiscations and all the rest of the apparatus, you had better run for office, give to another candidate or otherwise throw yourself into the politics full time!
    This is not choice. When we go to the grocery, we face a choice of what to buy. Or we can walk out without buying at all, keeping our money instead. Whatever the result, it is really in our hands. The electoral system is different. The store is the state. The products it offers are produced by the state. There is no real choice, only enough shadings of differences to keep us entertained. And we cannot really walk away. There is “no none of the above” and there is no keeping your own money.
    Every once in a while, someone comes along who offers a fundamental challenge to the whole racket and somehow manages to attract public attention and even use the system to urge the dismantling of the system. This is what has happened with the candidacy of Ron Paul, and it is precisely why the media strains so hard to keep from reporting on him or letting others speak out for his views.
    The elites are not so concerned that he can be elected. The system is fixed well enough to prevent that outcome. The real threat — and Dr. Paul understands this better than anyone — is the fundamental intellectual challenge that he offers. His book Liberty Defined contains enough radicalism and enough intellectual power to destabilize the entire structure that Oppenheimer and Higgs have so beautifully described.
    The ideas in these books are far more powerful than any ballot box. They expose the illusion of choice for what it is and unmask the violence embedded in the state-dominated society, a system that no one chose but has been imposed on the population through propaganda, wars, payoffs and every manner of trickery. If there were a way to re-channel all the human energy that people put into politics into reading and thinking, the state would have finally meet its match.
    Regards,
    Jeffrey Tucker
    Executive editor, Laissez-Faire Books

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  861. Bustin J January 21, 2012 at 9:44 pm #

    Its Gingrich vs. Obama according to intrade.

  862. metuselah January 21, 2012 at 10:07 pm #

    Transcendental? thoughts..
    JETHRO TULL
    http://goo.gl/iuV86
    We Used To Know

  863. asoka. January 21, 2012 at 10:08 pm #

    So that means Paul is out of it, and the way is clear to vote for Jill Stein, Green Party.

  864. anti soak January 21, 2012 at 10:11 pm #

    When I was young [1970s] I recall Rocky-feller going to China, in hopes of doing Banking and selling Soda to the ‘reds’.

  865. anti soak January 21, 2012 at 10:15 pm #

    ‘After all we live in a country that is trending against contraception- celebrating unplanned pregnancies and becoming more and more worshipful of procreation and large families.’
    ??????????????????????????????????????????????
    The only reason US population increases is Immigration.

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  866. anti soak January 21, 2012 at 10:17 pm #

    ‘Bill said:
    Do you really think that if households got the $20,000 they would pay off their credit cards and save the rest? How about buying that new super-duper 60″ TV with dolby surround sound, thenew sofa and kitchen set, etc.’
    After 9-11 Bush said ‘go shop’, Presumably to help
    the rich [who benefit from us shopping]
    and the rich in China.

  867. qergadpq January 21, 2012 at 10:25 pm #

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Bao ? small-minded Dan ? set ? ? Tuan ? ? insult wren ? insult ? ? posted Bao ? Silver Gan ? credit swallow ? ? ? ? ? solution ? ? horseleech ? ? Chi ? ? spear ? ?? ? Rong If ? Dan ? ? ? ? dishes ? ? read ? ? ?? ? dry moat Dan ? ?? ? prison ~ Mao ? ? crotch ? Chi swallow ? ? Dan ? ? ? ? ? Jue ? ? Dan ? ? ? ? posted peptone ? Tun Gan ? Eng Hua ? ? ? ? Li ? ? Tiaomao ? Sha ? Dazhong ? ? Bao ? Li ? ? ? swallow ? ? Jue ? ? swallow ? turtle ? ? Li ? ? ? Chi ? Eng ? ? cooked meat used in sacrifice Bodhisattva ? ? ? ? posted ? ? ? Dan ? wholesale Di ? ?? ? ? Dan ? ? Di ? Nam ? ? ? spear ? Rong ? ? Ligan ? strew ? ? ?? ? strew ? ? ? Gan ? Li ? ? posted peptone ? Tun Gan ? strew regression ? Chi ? Duo ? patch of leather Dan ? Dang ? ? ? Chi ? prison ~ Mao ? ? bladder ? ? ? ? ? skeletal Bodhisattva ? skeleton swallow ? ? Qiao ? age ? ? Pi ? ? ? ? ? Vision Sha ? Xiao Li ? ? ? tuck ? suddenly ? Zhuamao ? ? ? ? regression ? fiscal ? ? Qu ? ? Nam ? ? ? swallow ? posted ? ? Mu Ramie ? ?? ? ?? ? Mu ? ? ? touch ? ? ? ? Fangan ? Xue touch ? Tiaomao ? ? ? ? bluefish ? ? ? ? Nam ? ? ? swallow ? posted Sha ? ? ? ? Komagome ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? lying ? posted Sha ? Tan ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? hydrazine Chi ? prison ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? Butterfly ? ? ? Tan Shi Wei ? ? lying ? Ken ? ? ? ? ? Mo Bodhisattva ? Xiao ? ? Nam Chi ? prison Pi ? posted ? ? ? nickname ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? Nam ? ? Sha ? ? ? ? ? ? Bao ? small-minded Chi ? prison ~ Mao ? ? bladder swallow ? blowing ? ? Li tuck ? skeletal ? ? Yizhan ? dirty Duo ? Li ? ? blow ? ? ? regression ? strew ? ? ?? ? Bengdan ? Zhuamao ? mallard ? Dang ? ? Du ? ? Nam ? ? ? Zeng ? ? ? posted ? ? Chen ? ? Gong Chi ? ? ? ? pus Bodhisattva ? ? Guang ? Lv ? ? ? Dan ? ? ? ? ?? ? Chi ? ? wholesale ? ? posted peptone ? only ? ? dry moat Dan ? ?? ? Mo ? ? resounds ? ? strew ? ? ? Bodhisattva ? ? Guang ? ?? ? Beng tuck ? Tun Jie ? Di ? ? Bengdan ? Zhan ? ? ? wren ? ?? ? ?? ? Ne ? ? Pigan ? only ? ? ?? ? Mosha ? ? ?
    ?? ? ? bluefish ? ? Duo ? ? Li ? Li ? ? ? Dan ? ? ? ? Na swallow ? ? Duo ? Ti Hua ? ?? ? Qiu ? ? Huo ? ? ? Ni ? Li bluefish ? Ai ? ? ?? ? ?? ? strew ? ? ? birds ? ? bluefish ? search mallard ? ?? ? Mo spear ? Li ? ? ? bamboo basket ? Long bluefish ? Zhu ? ? posted ? ? ?? ? Bengzhan ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Tiao drug ? Qu ? ? Dong ? ? skeletal ? ? Xin ? ? skeletal swallow ? liver Qin ? ? Dan ? ?? ? posted Ju ? ? Gan ? ?? ? ? wren ? Xiao She ? ?? ? Da ? ? ? Korea ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Pigan ? ? ? ? ? Guang ? ? Korea ? Ken ? ? freshwater fish Dan ? ?? ? ?? ? Mo ? ? Li ? ? Vision ? ? Boza ? ? Chi ? Rong ? ? Bengdan ? paste touch ? ? Ka ? Biai ? sudden ? ? Li Chi ? prison ? ? ? ? Zhua ? ? ? ? ? strew ? ? Zhua ? ? hydrazine horseleech ? Pi ? ? Xiandong ? ? Bodhisattva ? ? ? ? frequency ? ? Qiansui ? ? Jue ? posted ? ? ? Mang ? Ci Ji ? Guang ? ? ? Yang ? Dan ? ? Ju ? ? ? ? ? Danyang ? ? Qiao ? Dan ? ? ?? ? ? meaning ? on ? ? Xiao ? ? Juyang ? Tiao ? ? ? Bodhisattva ? Li Holwen ? ? ?? ? Zhu ? ? Li ? ? Juchi ? Danai ? Tsuji ? ? ? regression ? Li ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? Jiang ? ? Ding ? ? ? Zhong ? Li ? ? on ? ? ? Bi ? paste ? ? ? lying ? wholesale tuck ? Du ? ? ? ? ? iliac Ji ? ? Bo ? ? Chi ? Fan Party ? Xi ? ? Xian ? ? paste touch ? ? ? ? prison ~ Mao ? ? bladder ? ? dried sea ? ? Li drugs ? ? pomfret ? Ju regression ? Vision ? ? ? ? ? posted ? ? ? birds ? Chi solution ? Xian meaning ? ? ? ? Li ? ? ? Butterfly ? Yan Ying ? ? ? ? posted ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? who Jue ? Zhuamao ? ? ? ? Qin ? ? birds ? Zhu ? ? ? ? skeletal Zeng ? Chen Chen ? ? Xin ? ? ? ? ? Nam ? ? Longgan ? ?? ? Chi ? ? ? ? Dan Chen birds ? ?? ? ? musk ? ? deceive ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? posted ? ? ? tenant ? posted ? ? ? ? ? posted ? ? ? ? ? ? Ke ? ? ? Zhou But Gan ? Yan ? ? Tiao ? ? ? ? ? Lian ? ? posted ? ? ? tuck ? Zhong Department ? Chu ? ? ?? ? Ju ? ? tuck ? posted false drug ? ? regression ? Vision ? ? ? Jian ? Oyster Qiao ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? Yanchi ? Na ? ? ?? ? Li ? ? barium ? ? ? Gan ? ?? ? Criticized ? ? ? Gan ? ? ? ? Criticized ? ? Mo drugs ? Yu Long ? ?? ? iliac Ke ? Lo ? ? ?? ? murmur ? ? ? Lun Wei ? Zhuake ? ? ? neck ? ? ? drug ? Yu Long ? ?? ? ?? ? logic regression ? ? ? ? wholesale ? ? ? Ke ? ? end of yoke ? ?? ? Qi ? ? ? Qin Lu Yue ? ? neck ? ? Feng Wei ? ?? ? puffer ? ? ? Gan ? Dan drug ? ? ? ? strew ? ? Da ? ? ? Dan ? paste drug ? ? Gan ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Ji ? ? ? ? ? ? drug ? ? Bodhisattva ? ? Ke ? ? Ke ? ? Bao ? ?? ? ?? ? Civil ? ? wholesale ? ? see Yi ? neck ? ? strew ? ? Shan ? ? Liu swallow ? Qi end of yoke ? Nam Ke ? ? Mao ? ? prison ? Chi ? Miao Zhong ? Li ? ? skeletal ? ? Yi ? ? Lin ? ? Ji ? ? Ken ? ? Miao Zhong ? Zhuamao ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? boast ? ? ? meaning ? small-minded Zhong ? strew ? ? ? Duo ? Nam ? ? phosphine Gan ? ?? ? Ta ? ? Li cross ? pro Zeng ? ?? ? ?? ? ? ? ? Li ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? Li ? ? Fu ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? Liqiao ? ? ? ? Jujie ? ? ? ? Li ? ? ? Ai ? Fu ? ? ? ? ? skeletal ? ? Zhua ? ? falsely Korea ? ? Gan Lu ? ? ? posted ? ? ?? ? ? Dan ? ?? ? puffer ? ? Kui ? ? ?? ? ? Ke Ke ? prison ? ? ~ Mao ? ? Chi ? wholesale ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Lo ? ? Dang ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Jue ? ? ? ? steel mallard ? ? wren ? mallard ? ? Qin ? mallard ? scribe Uu ? ? ? prison ~ Mao ? ? Chi ? ? Yang ? Ju ? ? ?? ? ? Fu ? neck ? ? ? Yang ? Ju ? ? Rong ? ? Li Fu ? neck Zeng ? Chuai ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? paste spade ? ? swallow ? ? Dan ? Chuai ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Chi ? prison ~ Mao ? ? Chi ? ?? ? ? Dan ? ?? ? Miao Wang ? ? ? ? ? ? ? pomfret ? Li Jiong Jiong ? Choi Yang ? posted Bao ? ? ? ? Pian touch ? ?? ? posted Bao ? ? Fu ? ? Ju ? Lichi ? Tan Jiong ? ? details ? Cidan ? on ? ? strew bitter ? Rong ? ? ? Dan ? ?? ? Li bluefish ? Da ? ? Na ? ? Li bluefish ? Daguang ? ? Gan ? Rong details ? Cidan ? posted tuck ? skeletal Wei ? turtle ? ? phosphine touch ? Longgan ? ? ? mares-tail ravioli ? posted Bao Bao ? small-minded peptone ? ? ? ? ?? ? ?? ? Miao Zhong ? Jiang birds ? strew ? ? Ju ? ? Zhubin ? posted tuck tuck ? ? skeletal turtle ? ? ? touch ? ? ? ? ? swallow ? Miao Zhong ? posted ? ? ? Bao ? small-minded ? ? ? ? ? Li bluefish ? Dachi ? Ming tuck ? ? ? ? Yi ? ? ? Dan ? ? Xu ? posted ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? Ju ? ? ?? ? Li meaning ? Xi ? ? musk ? ? ? Chi ? ? drug ? ? Bo ? Ti ? ? ? posted ? ? ? Li ? ? ?? ? Vision Mang ? ? Nam ? ? Vision Bao Bao ? small-minded ? ? paste logic cricket ? ? ? ? Ju ? ? phosphine touch ? Rong Qu ? Tiaodan ? ?? ? wholesale ? ? Yi ? ? ? swallow ? Miao Zhong ? Li ? ? Tiaomao ? ? prison ? ? bladder Bao ? ?? ? sudden ? ? ? ? ? wholesale Qin ? ?? ? iliac regression ? Miao ? ? ? ? ?? ? On ? ? dried sea ? ? ?? ? Chaidan ? ?? ? ?? ? ? lying ? ? ? Ju ? ? ? Gan ? ? ? ? Li ? prison ~ Mao ? ? Chi ? wholesale ? ? ?? ? Miao Zhong ? ? ? phosphine ? ? Dang tuck ? ? Dan ? ?? ? Tsuji end of yoke ? ? ? sudden Wei ? remaining ? ? ? Bao ? small-minded ? ? ?? ? Li ? ? Tiao Tiao Dan touch ? ? Ju ? ? mares-tail ? ? ? limonene ? ? Korea ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Yang ? Mo ? ? ? Dan ? posted bluefish ? ? Bao ? small-minded Dan ? Long bluefish ? Vision Duo ? Qiu ? ? Yu ? ? ?? ? Li end of yoke ? ? ? ? strew ? ? ? limonene ? paste touch ? ? Bao ? Li ? ? ?? ? ?? ? ? Bao ? small-minded ? ? ?? ? posted mallard ? ? Dan ? Miao Zhong ? ? Gan ? Vision ? ? age regression ? Li ? ? Vision ? ? ? ? ? ? Gan ? Miao Zhong ? mares-tail ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? Orioles Bodhisattva ? ?? ? Lichi ? Mao ? ? prison ? ? bladder Ke ? Dan ? ? Chang pomfret ? ? regression ? phosphine ? ? wholesale Butterfly ? pertusa ? ? Dan ? ? Fangan ? balcony swallow ? iliac Dan ? Tiao swallow ? overstep ? ? Dan ? ? Fangan ? monkeys ? ? strew limonene ? posted ? ? scribe Uu ? Xian Jiong ? phosphine swallow ? ? Qin ? posted regression ? phosphine ? ? ? Zhong ? ?? ? ? ? ? wholesale Ji ? ? ? ? posted ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? Lo ? ? posted ? ? ? Gan ? Lv ? ? posted ? ? ? Bo ? ?? ? ?? ? Li latch ? ?? ? kidney Zeng ? only Dan ? Li Yue Xiu ? Huo touch ? ? ? Tiao ? ? ? ?
    ?? ? Yee Fan ? posted Gan ? ? Ai ? Yee Fan ? posted Ju ? ? ? ? Mei ? ? posted ? ? falcon ? ? ? Bodhisattva ? Qianzhan ? ? Bird ? Long ? ? Kui ? ? paste touch ? ? ? ? ? ? ? wholesale ? ? ?? ? Ta ? ? Tiaoke ? prison ~ Mao ? ? Chi ? puffer Bao ? ? ? ? posted Qiao ? ? ? ? strew ? ? ? Bao ? ?? ? Tiao ? ? Vision ? ? ?? ? ?? ? Vision ? ? ? ? ? Xinchi ? ? regression ? Vision ? ? ?? ? Ci ? ? posted Bao ? ? Dan ? ? Bao ? Ju ? ? hydrazine ? ? Tiao peptone ? ? Bao ? ? Bo ? ? ? ? ? Dan ? Feng ? ? posted ? ? ? Dan ? Orioles ? ? Zuo ? ? ? ? ? ? Thlaspi ? Duji ? strew ? ? ?? ? flounder ? ? Lv ? ? ?? ? Dan ? ? Li ? ? Xin ? ? ? birds ? Du ? ? Tiaoke ? prison ? puffer farming Wan ? ? ? ? ? ? posted ? strew ? ? ? regression ? ?? ? ?? ? Pei ? ? wholesale ? ? Dang ? ? ?? ? ? posted Gan Chee epilepsy male ? ? Dunganlishe phosphine P revolves ? ? ? Fan Wan ? Kunbi ? Vision ? ? Tanju ? raccoon ? ? ? ? ? bones of Hua ? posted peptone ? phosphine Fan Wan ? Lv ? ? ?? ? ? Tun Gan Gan ? ? Duji ? strew ? ? ?? ? Dang ? ? debate ? ? Xu Zhen ? ?? ? ?? ? ? mallard ? fawn ? ? Tiaoke ? prison ? Dan ? ? ? ? ? Ji drug ? transcript Mang ? Zhan birds ? ? ? ? posted ? ? reed meaning ? ? meaning ? ? Qiao ? ? ? ? Xian ? ? Dan ? ? monkeys ? ? frequency ? ? Tun Bao ? ?? ? Zhua ? ? ?? ? skeleton Bao ? ? Chi ? prison ~ Mao ? ? Chi ? puffer ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Xian Jiong ? ? ? ? Lo Chi ? ?? ? ?? ? ? ? ? Pi ? ? ? Dan ? ling wine ? ? posted regression ? ? ? ? ? ? ? film ? ? Zhu ? ? Miao swallow ? Tiao ? ? ? ? ? Xi ? ? Vision ? ? ? Ai ? ? regression ? ? ? ? ? swallow ? ? Jue ? ? touch ? ? Ai ? ? regression ? ? ? ? ? dove ? phosphine Dan ? ? meaning ? Xizeng ? drug ? posted Hui Shan Sheng-? Retail ? Pi Di Di Right ? addiction Jiao ? exhaust ? rafter ? Dongzhengyuanwen ? ? transcript Jue ? ? Dan ? ? Korea ? Shan ? ? ? ? ? mullet ? ? ? ? ? ling wine ? ? strew ? ? iliac ? ? ? ? ? film Mang ? posted ? ? wholesale ? ? Yi ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? sudden ? ? ?? ? Ti Mang ? ? Gan ? ? Dan ? on ? ? film Mang ? posted ? ? Ta ? ? ? mallard ? Xue tuck ? Tiaoke ? prison ~ Mao ? ? Chi ? puffer mallard ? Tong ? regression ? Guoqi ? ? posted ? ? ?? ? pounds Xiu ? strew regression ? ? swallow ? ? ? ? strew ? ? ? meaning ? Lv ? ? Guoqi ? ? posted ? ? iliac Ying ? pounds Bo ? ? drug ? Ju ? ? Rong Qu ? ? Sha ? strew logistic regression ? ? ? wholesale ? ? Tiao ? ? Dan ? ? ? ? ? Zhong ? Tun Gan ? ? touch ? ?? ? Nagan ? ? swallow ? iliac ? You ? Tiao swallow ? iliac ? ? sudden ? ? ? Sha ? pounds ? ? ? Chi ? Tan Jiong ? ? Logistic regression ? ? strew logistic ? Guoqi ? ? sudden ? ? paste paste ? ? Mo Bodhisattva ? iliac ? ? ? Chi ? Qimao ? ? prison ? ? bladder Ke ? ?? ? Zhua ? ? ?? ? iliac ? ? ? Chi ? pod ? ? Nam ? ? overstep She ? Xiao ? ? steel ? ? flounder ? ? Zhua ? ? ? Gan ? ? Chi ? ? Dan ? ? ? ? posted Butterfly ? Zhen ? ? ? Chi ? pod ? ? Fiao meaning ? Gou ? ? Fiao meaning ? ? swallow ? Ken ? ? ? Qiao ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? Sha ? ? ? ? ? ? ? posted ? ? Mo ? ? ? Bodhisattva ? ?? ? posted Chi ? ? swallow ? ? Bao ? small-minded ? ? posted peptone ? ? ? ? ? ? ? posted ? ? ? Sha ? ? Jue ? ? Chi ? ? Gan ? strew regression ? Orioles ? ? ? Yang ? ? ? ? Yu ? ? ?? ? ? Gan ? ? ? ? ? Chi ? Qimao ? ? prison ? ? bladder Ke mm ? Dan ? ?? ? Chang ? ? ? Sha ? ?? ? ? Chi ? wholesale ? ? ? ? ? Liqu ? on ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? Na ? ? Tan ? ? Liqu ? on ? ? Dan ? ? Li pomfret ? Yi ? ? ?? ? ? Ju ? ? Zhong ? posted bluefish ? Suo birds ? strew ? ? ? Ju ? Li pomfret ? Yi ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? palladium bluefish ? Suo birds ? ? ? ? ? ? ? skeletal ? ? ? ? ? ? Gan ? Li ? ? Tiao touch ? ? ? ? delicate ? ? ? swallow ? ? ? ? ? Ju ? ? Ju ? Li Yun ? ?? ? Na ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Chi ? Qimao ? ? prison ? Yi ? ? steel meaning ? debate ? ? ? ? ? Li Yue mallard ? ? touch ? birds ? Du Fu ? flounder paste Xiu Hua ? ? ?? ? ? Thlaspi ? see ? ? posted ? ? dried sea swallow ? Li ? ? kidney ? ? ? details ? paste swallow ? Li ? ? kidney Bo ? ? details ? posted ? ? ?? ? ? Jue ? ?? ? ? ? ? delicate ? ? ? ? ? Tiao ? ? ? swallow ? strew ? ? ? Long ? ?? ? Zhu If ? Li ? ? ? ? ? iliac ? ? Dong nickname ? Qin ? ? Vision ? ? ? ? Long ? ? swallow ? ? ? ? Li ? ? Chen ? ? bladder Yi ? ? Chi ? Xian end of yoke ? meat Kuang ? liver ravioli ? ? Dan ? Qin ? ? Vision ? ? ? Pro ? Long ? ? ?? ? ? Zhong ? posted ? ? Vision ? ? ? ? Gan ? ?? ? Kusanagi ? ? ? swallow ? Dong nickname ? Li ? ? cooked meat used in sacrifice Bodhisattva ? wholesale swallow ? cooked meat used in sacrifice Chi ? Dan Bird ? ? regression ? Kundan ? flounder spade ? ?? ? ?? ? attached meaning ? ? ? ? blow ? ? Li ? ? Ju ? ? Bi ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? Zhong ? Yu ? ? strew ? ? ? Ji ? ? ??Chi ? prison ? Yi Bao ? ?? ? noodles ? ? ? touch ? Rong ? ? Lisui ? ? ? ? ? Bao ? ? ? ? Ye ? ? ? ? ? Xiao ? ? Mo ? ? Na ? ? ?? ? ? Guang ? Dan ? ? ? lying ? Ken ? ? Tiaopou ? ? Qin ? Xiao ? ? Mo ? ? ? ? Vision ? ? phosphine ? ? meat swallow ? ? ? ? Yechi ? prison ? Yi ? ? mullet ? ? ? ? ? strew regression ? Orioles ? ? Fiaoxiu ? Li ? ? Chang ? ? door ? ? rendered Dan ? Tiaomao ? ? ? Zang Pro ? ling wine ? ? ?? ? strew ? ? ? Jue ? ? Ka ? Miao Dan ? posted ? ? wholesale ? ? ? Xiu ? Ju regression ? ?? ? phosphine ? ? ? Gan ? Tao ? ? wholesale Di ? paste ? ? ?? ? Chi ? prison ? Yi Bao ? ? ? ? ling wine ? ? ? regression ? strew ? ? iliac harmonic ? dishes ? ? posted peptone ? plutonium ? ? ? harmonic ? dishes ? ? posted ? ? mullet drug ? ? swallow ? ? Dan ? dishes ? ? ? birds ? Long Lu Gan ? birds ? barge Zhong ? paste swallow ? ? Dan ? dishes ? ? ? Gan ? wholesale harmonic ? dishes ? ? Tiao drug ? ? birds ? lying Yang ? Suopou ? ? distant ? Qi Ju ? Tiqu ? ? Dan ? dishes ? ? posted ? ? Long ? ? Aidan ? ? ? ? posted spear ? ?? ? Xue harmonic ? paste drug ? ? Gan ? wholesale ? ? ? Ju ? ? Dan ? dishes ? ? Tiao Mao ? ? ? Dan ? ? ? Wen ? ? Mang ? ?? ? Na ? ? ?? ? ?? ? Tiaomao ? ? ? ? bluefish ? ?? ? silkworm Zhong ? Li ? ? luxuriant ? ? phosphine ? ? ? wren ? ?? ? posted peptone ? wholesal
    e Gan ? bladder Gan ? Criticized details ? Criticized ? ? bladder Gan ? Criticized details ? liver touch ? phosphine ? ? Yichi ? prison ? Yi Bao ? ?? ? ? Jue ? ?? ? Dudi ? Nam Jue ? ?? ? ? Bao ? ?? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? Fu ? posted Bao ? ?? ? ? tuck ? ? end of yoke ? An ? ? only endowed ? Nam Jue ? ?? ? Dan ? ? patch of leather ? ? ?? ? Nam Chi ? prison ? Yi Bao ? ?? ? Mosha ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? lying Xiu Hua ? ? ? swallow ? ?? ? ?? ? ? Bao ? ? meaning ? Table Tennis Wen ? ? ?? ? Mian ? ? ?? ? ? Bao ? ?? ? more if ? Kao ? ? ? Chi ? prison ? Yi Jin Qulangquhun ? Ke Tou ? Jinqulangmou ? Jue ? Mao ? ? ? Zang Pro ? ling wine Thlaspi ? strew wren ? ? fan ? paste swallow ? ? Dan ? ? Xu ? Rong ? ? crane Chi ? prison ? Yi ravioli ? Ken ? ? ? Dan ? ? Xiu ? Michael Gong ? ? Gan ? ? Jue ? ?? ? Li ? ? ? ? ? iliac ? ? ? Chi ? ?? ? bladder ? ? Haochi ? ? meaning ? chin Sui ? bladder bluefish ? Daqu ? flounder Chi ? ? Bao ? ?? ? Tiaomao ? ? ? Dan ? ? Chang pomfret ? ? regression ? phosphine ? ? wholesale Butterfly ? pertusa ? ? Dan ? ? Fangan ? Vision swallow ? iliac Dan ? Chi ? Rong Qu ? posted Bao ? ?? ? ? heron ? ? ? ? ?? ? Lv ? ? Xi ? ? ? ? ? Vision ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? wholesale Ji ? ? Zhong ? posted regression ? phosphine ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? wholesale ? ? ? latch ? Xue ? ? steel ? ? wholesale ? ? ?? ? ?? ? Fanzhan ? ? ? ? posted spade ? ? Dan ? ? pomfret ? kidney ? ? Tuan ? ? Lidan ? Juduo ? Miao regression ? palladium Chi ? Ta ? ? Zhu ? ? ?? ? Long ? ? ?? ? ?? ? overstep ? ? Zhu ? ? ?? ? Pi ? ? ? ? ? ? tuck ? ?? ? ? Gan ? ? Teng ? Xian ? ? meat ? ? debate ? ? ?? ? phosphine Butterfly ? pertusa ? ? ? Chi ? prison ? Yi ? ? ?? ? Jubao ? bladder ? ? ? Ju ? on the end of yoke ? ? ? ? posted Bao ? ? ? ? ?? ? Lu Yue ? Sha ? ? ? Ju ? ? ? ? Nam contact ? ? Dan ? whale ? ? posted Pa ? ? ? ? Tsuji ? ? skeletal ? ? Tiao ? ? dried sea ? ? ? ? ? Fanqin ? liver touch ? ? Dan ? whale ? ? posted Pa ? ? ? ? Fan ? ? Vision ? ? skeletal Chi ? ? ? ? ? Dan ? ? ? ? posted ? ? phosphine ? ? ? ? ? Li ? ? Mang Chi ? prison ? Yi ? ? meat swallow ? Ju ? ? mares-tail wren ? ?? ? ?? ? lie ? ? ? ? ? strew regression ? Orioles ? ? Kong tuck ? skeletal ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? posted ? ? debate ? ? phosphine Bi ? ? Dan ? ? bluefish ? ? Zeng ? ?? ? posted peptone ? wholesale Gan ? Miao Zhong Rong bluefish ? Tiaoxiu ? ? ? Dan ? ? Xu ? Fan ? ? tuck ? posted ? ? balcony balcony ? ? ? ? ? Yi ? ? ? Chi ? bluefish ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? wholesale Sha ? ? tuck ? ? Ai ? ? end of yoke ? Jiechi ? Liu ? ? Ju ? ? Li ? ? greed Qiao ? Gou Bao ? posted ? ? steel bluefish ? ? Bodhisattva ? luxuriant ? ? ? Jue ? ? end of yoke ? ? ? ? Tiao tuck ? skeletal peptone ? ? Gan ? ? ? ? ? Bin ? Tiaomao ? ? Qi slow ? ? ? ? ? Jue ? Li ? ? ?? ? Biao ? ? feed Gan ? ?? ? Kundan ? Na ? ? posted ? ? ? birds ? ? ? ? Ken ? ? ? ? ? spoke Ji ? posted ? ? parameters of SVM regression ? ? peptone ? ? ? ? Dan ? ? phosphine meaning ? ? ? ? shut tuck ? ?? ? Ken Wren ? Tiaomao ?? ? strew ? ? ? regression ? ? ? ? Tiqin ? ?? ? Rong ? ? cadmium harmonic ? dishes ? ? posted ? ? strew Gan ? Vision ? ? arrest Dan ? ? Dan ? ? Xu ? posted ? ? confer Gan ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Li swallow ? iliac ? ? strew ? ? Mai mallard ? ? Dan ? wholesale ? ? ? Gan ? ?? ? posted bluefish ? ? swallow ? iliac Wei ? Tu ? ? ? ? ? strew ? ? Maiai ? Yue ? ? Dang tuck ? ? Bin ? transcript posted ? ? Zang ? ? touch ? liver birds ? Xiu ? ? Kunchi ? prison – prison – Mao Mao ? ? ? ? play Hui Hui ? ? play play play Hui Hui ? ? ? play Hui Hui Hui ? ? play play play Hui ? ? ? Xue ? ? transformation of Gan ? strew ? ? touch ? musk ? ? balcony jump Dan ? ?? ? regression ? posted ? ? strew over Jue Ying Bodhisattva ? ? Junju ? Feng ? ? Li ? ? Zhuza ? ? Chi

  868. Vlad Kramps January 21, 2012 at 11:12 pm #

    Attention all Clusterfuckers: We are doomed. The Earth is going to survive but we humans will not. There will be massive famine and suffering on a global scale. The unraveling has only just started. What you are seeing now is the final stage of a world that has disgarded respect for the individual. All of our civil liberties are gone. Prepare now for how you will obey your new unelected leaders, for they will dictate to you the exact amount of swill you and your family will be allotted for each week. The Powers that Be are clamping down on your civil liberties as we speak. Your money will be worth nothing. You home’s value will be reduced by at least 90%.
    The good news, if there were any, is that America’s obesity and diabetes epidemic will at last be solved. Citizens will die off by the thousands in the coming months of hunger. There will be no Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Medigap, Food Stamps, or any other assemblenge of humanitarian compassion set forth for you by the government. You will die in pain from hunger, thirst, and/or exposure. This is your destiny. Abandon all hope. Your meaningless lives will shortly come to a tragic and prolonged end. Only the cockroaches will survive off of your decaying corpses. And the politicians. Oops, I forgot…they’re one and the same thing.

  869. shecky January 21, 2012 at 11:57 pm #

    My heartfelt advice to all who care: every one over the age of 25 must die. NOW. i am 56 and am ready to fucking go. I would make it 18 but I have nieces and nephews who would not make the cut.
    Kill us old greedy bastidges, younguns. Kill us all, good, bad, indifferent. Fucking kill your parents, your teachers, your mentors, your governors. Do it now, or you are as fucked as fucked can be.
    Especially kill Asoka, Vlad, and me.
    Ok. Spare Bernie Sanders. And Willie Nelson.
    I love you. Now kill me.
    Shecky.

  870. budizwiser January 22, 2012 at 12:45 am #

    The Blog is certainly fucked – my only point was at 200,000,000 the US could be saved at – 300,000,000 it became dicey – 360,000,000 or a little more chaos will develop during a shake out.
    Hence, my request for “government.”

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  871. ctemple January 22, 2012 at 1:31 am #

    You remember the movie Chinatown where the detective Jake Gittes asks the evil and rich old man Cross why he does what he does, how much better could he live, how much better could he eat? he said, “The future Mr Gittes, the future.”
    That’s Mitt Romney and the rest of these venture capital parasites, they never get enough, they don’t want to pay any taxes even when they’re billionaires. They seem very similar to gangsters to me, most gangsters never get enough.
    How many houses do these cocksuckers need?
    Who knows, their greed and stupidity have been institutionalized into half baked economic and political theories, which seem to half a life of their own now, like a lot of other things that seem like zombies.

  872. ctemple January 22, 2012 at 1:36 am #

    Real rut Ese

  873. asoka. January 22, 2012 at 3:51 am #

    Especially kill Asoka…
    ———————–
    Shecky, you have hurt my feelings.

  874. old69 January 22, 2012 at 4:09 am #

    Please scroll past these blocks of texts. Please erase all of my posts from the Internet. Please erase the Internet. Thank you. It is just someone Vomiting on the Internet.
    To WS7:
    2:16
    “But despite this cornucopia of free everything the recipients of this largesse seem to spend all their time breeding more dependents, shooting dope, shooting each other in the streets (a daily occurrence), burning down one another’s houses, stabbing one another, stealing cars, hanging around in the streets, selling drugs, breaking into houses in the suburbs, forming up gangs, and in general transforming what was once the wealthiest city in North America into a dystopic living sh-thole.”
    Answer : Because Man Sucks, End of Story.
    to Busty:
    6:40
    “You are totally ineffective as a communicator. ”
    Answer : And you actually think I have anything of value to communicate ? Or that I am even interested in comunicating ?
    As soon as you look at her or it or whatever in the eyes, there are expectations, possible failures, win/lose games, guessing, oh I don’t want to paly anymore, oh it is too late, oh I can’t go back, oh, the more I try the more it gets worse, or anything else, I meant that, no I didn’t mean that no this, oh I made a mistake oh, excuse me, oh it’s ok, oh this and that and everything in between. And there are “Intentionalities of Expectations”, possible “Expectations of Pleasure”, or “Intentionalities of Behaviors”, or “Not Right” and so on and guess this and guess that, and don’t interact at all forever or run away or interact constantly forever and try even when you are losing try ever harder just because, because we suck, etc. and no matter what it is never enough, but I thought I won, but I lost…
    We need a huge deflation, we need the prices of real estate to crash, homes shouldn’t cost more than 50,000 dollars top, all payments should be much, much cheaper, we have to end this high maintenance society where everyone wants to be paid so much more than the rest of the world: 800 dollars a month is a high salary in most of the rest of the world, so exactly what manipulations, what so special skill set, what so special value added are you bringing to a job compared to anyone in all of those other places to deserve so much more ? Are the manipulations, transformations, the input -> manipulation -> output manipulations and transformations and informational transformations and manipulations you do so much more special, so hard to do, so great that anyone else in the world, that was to do the same, couldn’t do it ?
    Obviously no, what you do can be done probably the same by anyone worldwide with the same training, so why should you be paid so much more ? No way jose’, we need a huge crash in salaries an costs of everything, all at 800 dollars a month unless you are really special, sore losers, freeloaders, turds…

  875. shecky January 22, 2012 at 7:32 am #

    on the advice of my personal attorney, Jesus H. Christ, Esq., i withdraw my admonition to the youth of today, and point out that i had been drinking.
    just me, ok?
    gotta go to work now.
    i still love you. do what you think is best.

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  876. bubbleheadMarc January 22, 2012 at 8:04 am #

    I started reading up on Zen in 1972 when I started in on Alan Watts’ “The Supreme Identity” for high school contemporary thought class. I recommend that you try “Living Zen” by Robert Linssen. And if both you and Vlad are endorsing the same candidate, and that candidate is a Republican, then the apocalypse is nigh. Perhaps even more perverse, I also like Ron Paul, as he sees through all the bullshit. But of course he doesn’t stand a chance, so once again it’ll be back to Situation Normal All Fucked Up.

  877. lbendet January 22, 2012 at 8:05 am #

    Neocon Newt
    The man with the big ideas. Yes, it’s reached a new nadir, the conservative electorate in SC picked Neocon Newt.
    I could not believe my ears when NN gave his victory speech–oh boy, remember I always say about the Repubnicants that they are revisionist, revanches and regressive, but this is just amazing even for the Orwellians that they are.
    Newt says that for the past 50 years we have been living under a European style economic system–and we must go back to a uniquely American system. OK Newt, here’s the problem.
    1) During the depression, FDR instituted John Maynard Keynes economic theory of a kinder gentler form of Capitalism that built the greatest middle class in history. There were price controls, Glass Steagal—you get the picture. That was a demand side economy.
    2)When Reagan got in office 1980 we had a quiet coup, known as supply side economics, utilizing the ideas of Arthur Laffer and Milton Friedman. That my friends opened the door to mergers and acquisitions, when Bain Capital came into the picture.
    Lean and mean and Profit centers was all the jargon. Newt champions supply side, but at the same time he knows its a disaster for the middle class. So he twists all meaning and changes the time-line. Now he reviles Washington and New York, who don’t understand our pain!
    Narry a word about wealth extraction through globalism and how jobs and currency manipulation are making a small group of people billionaires who will spend huge gobs of money on lobbying and paying off politicians but won’t pay taxes that might benefit society.–Oh no we can’t have that!
    His favorite new attack on Obama is that he is the food stamp president. That’s the new welfare queen scenario he’s painted for us. Only there’s no mention of the economic disaster that belongs to W. or the fact that millions lost their jobs thanks to the banksters who got $23 trillion all told and refused to lend to small businesses. Most of the recipients are white, but why tell the truth there either? The truth is so unsexy and you know this guy’s a sex addict!!
    So he takes credit for job creation with Reagan and Clinton—Yep he’s the guy who did it all. You want jobs, you say, gotta vote for him.
    His cheering minions have no idea what he’s talking about, but they sure do love it when he lies through his teeth.

  878. DeeJones January 22, 2012 at 8:14 am #

    Poetry, pure poetry.
    Hey, ever read any Vogon poetry?
    😉

  879. Alexandra January 22, 2012 at 9:13 am #

    @ lbendet
    Lying, poor judgement and dis-information are the ‘new’ normal…
    *giggles*
    Much as this blog continually proves with the multiple personality syndrome ‘drone’ poster and Vlad the Neanderthal man racist/sexist…
    This morning I have real story for you Vladdie-ma-boy…
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/sailing/9030567/Dutch-teen-sailor-Laura-Dekker-completes-solo-world-tour.html
    On your terms, she’ll be just another one of the sad delude young women, who should knuckle down, and subjugate themselves to the ‘natural’ order, accept there ‘masters’ lot as kitchen sink-tied slaves, and male child offspring incubators…
    Fortunately, she’s not alone in having the right stuff, a wee gal I taught to sail over a decade ago, on fast Cat dinghies at Exmouth, has grown into a capable fit young woman whom will be doing her bit for Britain come this years sailing Olympics…
    The irony as an instructor for me was, how such few boyz wanted to come out to sea to learn/play…?? Where as there were stack of young girls, including my GP’s two daughters. And me I’ll teach anyone that is importantly willing, fresh faced and open-minded… no matter what genitalia they come equipped with.
    (No doubt the young male cubs had better things to do, such as be glued to PC’screens and World of Warcraft)… go figure?
    Moving on…
    This spiraling out of control, (financials) read is the most ominous for resets, critically as many Eurozone nations have to roll over debt loans this year/spring the UK included… so 2008 will be the mini-wave to the coming Tsunami.
    http://etfdailynews.com/2012/01/17/twenty-two-signs-pointing-to-a-devastating-global-recession-tza-tlt-vxx-faz-sds-sh-tna/
    As to the ‘Newt’ he’s a weaker stand against Obama come the finals, so perhaps TPTB/WallSt are brokering right now with the Obama team the deal for carrying on… as until the Rep’ candidate is finally declared Barack’s war chest marketing campaign will be keeping its powder dry of course…
    BTW, the Megaupload legals twist is a mark of how ‘change’ is coming to the internet right now… and fits well with the following:
    Q: What happens when national Govt confidence fails and hollows out? A: Private interests take control of the machinery of state to enhance and protect their profitability…
    Toodle-pip!

  880. lbendet January 22, 2012 at 9:36 am #

    Alexandra,
    Q: What happens when national Govt confidence fails and hollows out? A: Private interests take control of the machinery of state to enhance and protect their profitability…
    Why do you think the Reps bad mouth government at every turn?
    Of course they love Big Govt. when it comes to getting money for privatized contractors!
    Happy sailing. I used to take sailing lessons myself years ago and very much enjoyed…

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  881. DeeJones January 22, 2012 at 10:13 am #

    You were her instructor? Congratulations on such a good outcome.
    You know, if Vlad ever met a woman like you in person, he would be on his knees groveling and begging to kiss the sole of your shoe in about 2 seconds. He’s the kind of little man that comes in about 4 seconds, and probably cries “Mommie! Mommie! Mommie!” when he does.
    Outside he is all noise & bluster. Inside he is just a scared little boy. Probably even wears women’s undergarments; a nice frilly bra & thong.
    You are so superior to him.
    😉

  882. DeeJones January 22, 2012 at 10:20 am #

    Sorry Alexandria, I should have said “Great” outcome.
    Poor Flad, the only challenging thing he has ever done is probably go 5mph over the posted speed limit. Oh, how daring!
    😉

  883. asoka. January 22, 2012 at 11:23 am #

    I recommend that you try “Living Zen” by Robert Linssen. And if both you and Vlad are endorsing the same candidate, and that candidate is a Republican, then the apocalypse is nigh.

    Thanks for the book recommendation. I have never heard of Linssen. I did read Alan Watts, and also The Supreme Doctrine : Psychological Studies in Zen thought (1955) by Hubert Benoi?t & Aldous Huxley. Also Zen Flesh, Zen Bones (1957) by
    by Paul Reps.
    Vlad and I are not supporting the same candidate.
    Vlad is supporting a racist who is endorsed by the white nationalists, American Nazis, the white supremacist website Stormfront, the conspiracy theorist group the John Birch Society, and neo-Confederates who believe that the South was right during the civil war.
    I am supporting a woman physician running for president with the Green Party: Jill Stein.

  884. Widespreadpanic7 January 22, 2012 at 11:33 am #

    The Green Party? Does such a party exist here?
    Jill Stein?
    Never heard of her.
    What’s her platform?
    How big is her ‘War Chest’?
    She probably should begin getting the word out before it is too late.
    –WSP7

  885. balkan January 22, 2012 at 11:37 am #

    Buck, it is extremely brave decision to teach art… and sometimes futile. How one does it when knowledge can only be achieved after student makes final push on his/her own – like butterfly coming out of cocoon?
    Here is a soft book cover with beautifully rendered teary eyes, wet lips, reflection on her ring and guy’s belt buckle and in some art gallery there is a painting with beautifully rendered world around us. First one is a mere illustration, albeit good and honest one, and other is a piece of art. How one explains what is the difference?
    How do you explain that swoosh in one expressionist painting is “the right one” and in the other is a fake?
    Wrong “understanding” of art creates a confusion and blind hatred like the one toward Picasso, for example.
    What a comical situation can be if one imagine light hearted guy, like some typical male character from our sitcoms, stumbling into room filled with Picasso’s canvases when he was in his teens, without knowing that was him, and slapping his companion or pulling his wife’s sleeve and exclaiming:
    “Now that’s what I call an art, not like that stupid, what’s his name.. Picasso!”
    How you explain why he did not continue “good” painting style from his youth? Yes I know: “He makes more money pretending that he’s unique” like I’ve heard once.
    Art is present in our lives. Required even, like in conference and board rooms, however it is not uncommon that every single attendee in those rooms is simply oblivious whether the monstrous painting on the wall is piece of art or simple junk.
    Antique Road Show is a great indicator of level of understanding the art by general populace. Painting that was covering a fuse box in a basement game room for decades, suddenly gets prominent spot in the living room only after being told that it’s worth “something”. Not sure what is more annoying, goofy chuckle after being told the price or blind stare into the painting by the lucky owner…
    Now, with that level of “getting it” there is no shortage in “opinions” all over the place!
    Good luck!

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  886. Widespreadpanic7 January 22, 2012 at 11:40 am #

    Asoka, there is a good article in the WSJ this weekend of the elitist and upper class roots and makeup of the environmental movement and how it is at odds with blue collar, union America. I’m surprise there aren’t more posters here from orgs. like the Sierra Club and Earth First. This would seem like a natural home for them.
    –WSP7

  887. anti soak January 22, 2012 at 11:42 am #

    Didnt see the flick but I do remember some years back when McCain was asked how many mansions he and THeinz [?} had he didnt know if its 7 or 8!
    I agree with the recent post that with 200,000,00
    maybe USA had a fighting chance.

  888. Widespreadpanic7 January 22, 2012 at 11:47 am #

    Well, I read a little about Dr. Stein. Is she a Green or a Marxist? Or are they one in the same?
    –WSP7

  889. anti soak January 22, 2012 at 11:49 am #

    the poor have dogs..dogs cost alot of $, including tax payer $…800,000 emergency room visits a year due to dog bites:
    DANGEROUS DOGS CITY JOURNAL.ORG
    HOOD HAD ROUGH EDGES, WE GOT USED TO IT, AT LEAST FOR A WHILE. AFTER OUR SON WAS BORN, HOWEVER—AND AS SPRING BLOSSOMED, AND WE VENTURED OUTSIDE MORE OFTEN—WE FOUND OURSELVES GROWING EVER MORE FRIGHTENED OF DANGEROUS DOGS. PIT-BULL OWNERS HAD CONVERTED THE LITTLE PARK IN FRONT OF OUR APARTMENT BUILDING INTO A DOG-TRAINING GROUND, WHERE THEY GOADED THEIR ANIMALS INTO ATTACKING ONE ANOTHER OR TAUGHT THEM TO HANG FROM TREE BRANCHES TO STRENGTHEN THEIR JAWS AND THEIR TENACITY. NOT SURPRISINGLY, WHEN THE DOGS WERE RUNNING WILD, THE NEIGHBORHOOD’S YOUNG MOTHERS GATHERED UP THEIR CHILDREN AND FLED. SENIORS COWERED TOGETHER ON A FEW BENCHES. LIKE THE MOTHERS, OWNERS OF SMALL DOGS WAITED UNTIL THE PARK WAS PIT-BULL-FREE BEFORE TAKING THEM FOR A WALK. THE PARK HAD BEEN LOST AS A PUBLIC SPACE, IMPOVERISHING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
    THE DOGS HAD TAKEN OVER MORE THAN THE PARK. WALKING DOWN 204TH STREET OR PAST THE GONE- TO-SEED LOW-INCOME HOUSING ABUTTING THE METRO-NORTH BOTANICAL GARDEN STOP, WE REGULARLY RAN A GAUNTLET OF THUGS FLAUNTING SPIKE-COLLARED PIT BULLS, BESPEAKING A WORLD OF ANARCHY AND DREAD.
    AS A FRIEND AND I WALKED HOME ONE SPRING NIGHT, WE SAW THREE STOCKING-CAPPED TOUGHS SLOUCHED AGAINST A CHAIN-LINK FENCE, BARELY RESTRAINING A THICK- NECKED, SNARLING PIT BULL. MY HEART RACED, UNTIL I NOTICED TWO YOUNG COPS WALKING IN OUR DIRECTION, JUST BEYOND THE BAD DUDES. MY RELIEF WAS SHORT-LIVED. “IT’S A FULL MOON, AND DOGS GO CRAZY IN THE FOOOOL MOON,” ONE OF THE THUGS HOWLED WILDLY, AS HE LET THE PIT BULL LUNGE TO THE END OF HIS LEASH AT THE COPS. A CONFRONTATION SEEMED IMMINENT, BUT THE TWO OFFICERS NERVOUSLY CROSSED THE STREET TO AVOID IT. “I GUESS WE KNO
    CENTER FOR ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL (CACC), A NONPROFIT SHELTER THAT OPENED IN LATE 1994 IN THE HEART OF SPANISH HARLEM, TO TAKE OVER NEW YORK CITY ANIMAL CONTROL FROM THE ASPCA.
    PIT BULLS ARE ITS BIGGEST PROBLEM. MORE THAN 60,000 ANIMALS, HALF OF THEM DOGS, ENTERED THE SHELTER LAST YEAR. ACCORDING TO CACC OFFICIAL KYLE BURKHART, “MORE THAN 50 PERCENT OF THE DOGS ARE PIT BULLS OR PIT-BULL MIXES—A HUGE PERCENTAGE.” THAT WORKS OUT TO 40 OR SO PIT BULLS A DAY, MOST OF WHICH HAVE TO BE PUT DOWN BECAUSE OF THEIR AGGRESSIVENESS.
    WAITING IN THE CACC’S LOBBY, I GOT A FIRSTHAND LOOK AT THE PIT BULL AS A STANDARD-ISSUE ACCESSORY TO UNDERCLASS LIFE: TOUGHS IN BAGGY PANTS AND STOCKING CAPS PARADED IN AND OUT CONTINUOUSLY, NEGOTIATING TO GET THEIR IMPOUNDED DOGS BACK OR TO ADOPT NEW ONES.
    CONTRARY TO THE WRITINGS OF VICKI HEARNE, A WELL-KNOWN ESSAYIST ON ANIMALS WHO—IN A BIZARRE BUT EMOTIONALLY CHARGED CONFUSION—EQUATES BREED-SPECIFIC LAWS AGAINST PIT BULLS AS A KIND OF “RACIST PROPAGANDA,” THE PIT BULL IS A BREED APART.

  890. Vlad Krandz January 22, 2012 at 12:07 pm #

    So you if you think women are so superior why don’t you argue the issue instead of slandering me? The issue btw, is why men should sacrafice their lives for women they don’t know. Alexandra refused to discus it, Ibendit refused, and so do you. This is your superiority?
    The men on the Concordia did the right thing. Hate filled modern women are worthless.

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  891. old69 January 22, 2012 at 12:10 pm #

    Someone is about to sh*t on the Internet again…
    Please scroll past these blocks of texts. Please erase all of my posts from the Internet. Please erase the Internet. Thank you.
    10:13
    DJ says:
    “You know, if Vlad ever met a woman like you in person, he would be on his knees groveling and begging to kiss the sole of your shoe in about 2 seconds.”
    But that’s the point: why should you as a chunk of independent matter care what that other chunk is, does, etc. ? why is information and thought always social, always within an imaginary context of someone looking, no matter what, of something outside (but that is the point: there is no external reality, nothing at all, it is all a lie an illusion a make believe that kills you), looking and judging (like god ?), the fact that information and value and what you do, how they are evaluated especially by yourself has been programmed by how they are evaluated by society, by other chunks of matter that are simply other free will gadgets opposing, testing playing around with your free will to achieve, succeed, obtain something, anything, to repeat the same mental program over and over again start point -> target because my free will says to do that, because it is being judged by some external, abstact, denotational, symbolic social environment that will trigger how I am supposed to feel according to how a tribe, society, economy and culture defines normal, good, better, king.
    But so what ? you can fail, no problem. The real problem is the guilt complex (and reciprocal or imagined or invented or real or fake or guilt complex hiding behind a subtle satisfaction behind a subtle terror behind a rage behind a depression behind a joy behind, and you get the idea, a never ending array of levels, recursions, loops, programming loops cycling through so many numbers as emotions so as to reach nothing and everything and be a total contraditory drone) of not having achieved a success model as constructed from outside of you, from some independent, therefore false and irrelevant system of references. And that is supposed to trigger a feeling, as the feeling you feel, the emotion you feel, the pain/pleasure you feel is the only thing that really counts, is the end point of all: so just disconnect the feeling good part from its social artifacts and symbols and denotational abstract models and feel good for no reason at all: trigger the feeling good and satisfied feeling from nowhere and nothing at all, do not make it depend on anything else, anything outside (or inside, or any thought processes, thought flows, on the prison of necessity, on the prison of cause and effects and reason and acceptances) of you or anything at all: you feel good just because, it is independent of anything and everything because the feeling is sufficient of itself it does not need further artifacts, or reason or complications to justify itself, it just is. As soon as you make your feelings depend on externalities or anything at all, you lose and will lose forever, that is how you are chained by reality, but deny reality, lie to yourself, trick yourself and all and win.
    Sore loser, lose, and rage and beat yourself up, it is all in vain, you will never win, the being convinced variable “C” hoses you again…
    TOBOR THE 8 MAN

  892. Vlad Krandz January 22, 2012 at 12:13 pm #

    Boys do well to steer clear of gorgons like you. No doubt misandry drips from you lips ever other sentence – without you even intending it. It’s just what you are.

  893. old69 January 22, 2012 at 12:13 pm #

    That was from:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177908
    Please study it all very carefully, your test is coming up soon, better get a good grade on it all or mommy will beat the living daylights out of you….

  894. Vlad Krandz January 22, 2012 at 12:17 pm #

    Yes Pit Bulls are the Negroes of the Dog World. And something needs to be done when they begin to threaten society. Attend:
    http://vault-co.blogspot.com/2012/01/truth-about-martin-luther-king.html

  895. Vlad Krandz January 22, 2012 at 12:25 pm #

    A Green Cape over Red Underwear – much like saying we are Republicans not Bolsheviks as they did in Spain.

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  896. DeeJones January 22, 2012 at 12:49 pm #

    Dude: I finally clicked that link “i love philosophy”, and I think that you are posting in the wrong forum there, the ‘Social Sciences’ one, instead you should be posting in the ‘Mundane Babble’ forum, altho I was afraid to look in that.
    Just a suggestion….
    🙂

  897. DeeJones January 22, 2012 at 1:03 pm #

    The fact that you take it as slander says alot about your mental state, i.e. deep paranoia.
    There is really no point in arguing it with a peabrain like you anyway, so why bother.
    But disparaging your racist & sexist arguments sure is fun! Why, I bet you really get those panties in quite a twist!
    And “hate filled” men are pretty useless too.
    Why don’t you go back to masturbating now?
    Its sad, you will never get a woman that even you would consider an equal. Only some poor woman with an inferiority complex can make you feel like a “real man”.
    You are not even half the woman that 16 year old is that sailed around the world by herself.
    Why don’t you tell us something about yourself that would make us all sit up and say: “Wow! Thats truly amazing that Vlad, of all people would do something like that!”
    And please, don’t make something up like “I wrestled a tiger and broke its neck with one hand” when in reality it was a stuffed toy and you were just drunk.
    Come on Flad, what have you done in your life that you can be really truly proud of and can brag about here? Anything? Anything at all?
    We are all waiting with baited breath…
    (sound of chirping crickets in the background…)
    Yawn….will probably be a long wait while he thinks of something to make up….
    (sound of chirping crickets in the background…)
    I think I will re-read some Joyce while I wait…

  898. Vlad Krandz January 22, 2012 at 1:03 pm #

    Whether he wrote those newsletters or not, they contained good information what I’ve heard. As they said, the animals are coming – and alot of them will be Black.
    You say racist almost as if it was a dirty word. But you support a Black racist like Barack Obama. What a paradox wrapped in an enigma – for idealistic Whites that is. It’s as clear as day to realists like me and Bill.

  899. Vlad Krandz January 22, 2012 at 1:07 pm #

    Still wont answer the question Dee? Why? It’s very simple: are men’s live worth as much as women’s? You wanted equality and that’s the price. If you wont pay it you don’t deserve equality.

  900. asoka. January 22, 2012 at 1:22 pm #

    But you support a Black racist like Barack Obama.
    ———————-
    Obama has betrayed the Blacks and neglected them. He has gone in with the White establishment.
    I think I have mentioned, in a couple dozen posts, that I am not supporting Obama in 2012. You may have missed that I am supporting Jill Stein of the Green Party.
    Here are the Ten Key Values of the Green Party.

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  901. dale January 22, 2012 at 1:24 pm #

    As the saying goes: it’s always good to read the dharma, but even better to practice it.

  902. dale January 22, 2012 at 1:29 pm #

    You may have missed that I am supporting Jill Stein of the Green Party.
    ———————————————
    How could we miss it, you tell us two or three times a week!?…;) Actually, I like about half of that agenda.
    I think the problem with the democratic party is they abandoned equality in favor of diversity. That was a lousy tradeoff, which allowed the party elite to pretend to support equality while pursuing graft, while leaving most of the population out in the cold.
    As the saying goes: it’s always good to read the dharma, but even better to practice it.

  903. SNAFU January 22, 2012 at 1:41 pm #

    Howdy Bustin, Per your comment clip: “That means we are on the wrong side of Hubbard’s curve.”
    Agree we are on the down slope side of the asymmetric world wide oil production curve: however, I think you meant to give credit to Shell Oil Geoscientist M. King Hubert who invented the peak oil concept and published a paper concerning such in the mid 50’s.
    SNAFU

  904. Vlad Krandz January 22, 2012 at 1:53 pm #

    The dumbing down starts very early now. This child who was saved from death by unbreakable glass, supposedly asked what the Lion was trying to tell her. When I was her age, I would have understood what the Lion was trying to do. Perhaps due to the Lion King movie? Or just a general kid culture of denial of the Reality of Monsters and Boogie Men?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hkycx4uO-NQ&feature=fvsr

  905. Vlad Krandz January 22, 2012 at 2:01 pm #

    Bravo Dale, I agree completely. Endless talk about race but nothing about class. Of course you have no problem with them persecuting poor Whites – your personal hate object.
    Look at Obama Czar Jefferey Imelt taking the public’s money meant for American Jobs and opening up factories in China. The Corruption of Croney Capitalism. Obama’s not a Socialist, he’s a tool of the Plutocrats – a false form of Fascism. Fascism demands the cooperation of Business for the good of the State. That’s different from hijacking the State for the good of Business.

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  906. asoka. January 22, 2012 at 2:16 pm #

    As the saying goes: it’s always good to read the dharma, but even better to practice it.
    ======================
    Thanks for that reminder, dale.
    My initial burst of reading about the dharma was in the 70’s. (I only read about 90 books.)
    After that, emphasis shifted from theory to practice. That’s why I’m not up on all the new Buddhist books. There is a ton of them, but my interest is now more with practice than reading.
    May my parents, teachers, relatives, CFN friends and fellow Dharma travelers,
    As far as the highest plane of existence to as far down as the lowest plane in the entire universe,
    May ALL beings be free of mental suffering
    May ALL beings be free from enmity, physical suffering and danger.
    May ALL beings be happy and free.

  907. Vlad Krandz January 22, 2012 at 2:23 pm #

    Doesn’t make any sense. You can’t have decentralization of power since you would need a powerful Federal and/or State Goverment to enforce all the race and gender quotas. Equality is not natural and has to be created by force.

  908. Vlad Krandz January 22, 2012 at 2:25 pm #

    So Obama’s not enough of a racist for a Black Racist like you?

  909. asoka. January 22, 2012 at 2:27 pm #

    Fascism demands the cooperation …
    =====================
    Thanks, Vlad, for that bit of honesty.
    Except by definition “cooperation” is voluntary.
    Fascism violates cooperation by “demanding” it and by backing up their demands with the most ugly violence imaginable.

  910. Vlad Krandz January 22, 2012 at 2:29 pm #

    Wont work: my happines means the flying of the Stars and Bars. Your happiness means not having to see it. Therefore you demand the State make me take it down – and threaten violence if it doesn’t.

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  911. Vlad Krandz January 22, 2012 at 2:37 pm #

    Quite true: this world is the devil’s. Everything comes down to force here since there is limited space and resources. The most important part of the U.N is the Security Council remember – in spite of all the idealism and we are the world crap. It comes down to big guns to enforce that – which is why the U.N isn’t that effective since the Nations have more and bigger guns.
    There is such a thing as moral force but it isn’t seen that much in the political sphere, more in the personal.
    Under Communism, Green or Red, private companies would be either dissolved or saddled with so many regulations that they would go out of business voluntarily or not. So Fascism is not more dictatorial but in fact, less. And it only asks this of key industries, not small and medium sized businesses. Whereas Communism refuses to refrain from sticking its long nose into everything no matter how small or private – like the idea that house wives should be paid. By whom? The husband? The State?

  912. asoka. January 22, 2012 at 2:39 pm #

    my happines means the flying of the Stars and Bars. Your happiness means not having to see it.
    ================
    Vlad, my happiness is not dependent upon a piece of colored cloth flying, or not flying, over a state capitol building.
    My wish is that ALL beings be happy, and free from inner and outer strife.

  913. BeantownBill January 22, 2012 at 2:45 pm #

    I watched Bill Maher last night; one of his panel members was Haley Barbour. I really don’t know anything about him, but I must say he didn’t appear to be anything like a stereotypical Louisiana governor. Maybe he’s a neanderthal in real life, but he came across as a decent human being. You are pretty politically aware. What’s your thoughts about him?

  914. Rhino January 22, 2012 at 2:53 pm #

    Still waiting about this “simple justice” stuff.
    Is the “simple justice” of the Reconquista simple justice for Amerindian tribes that had inhabited the turf for thousands of years?
    Do Hispanics therefore get first claim on these lands? You seem to think so. Why? What about Amerindian interests?
    As I said this is important because the principles of justice here could have application elsewhere in the world. Like the Middle East (Israel and the West Bank in particular).

  915. Alexandra January 22, 2012 at 3:22 pm #

    Vlad tis you that’s the neo-nazi ‘hater’…
    I love men, adults, babies, and the in-between’ers. I’ve had some of my very best working relationships with them. Even if I didn’t… I wouldn’t espouse on a blog like this with badly thought through latherings…
    And I doubt that any of my few fellow female regular posters here (you lovelies know whom you be) would bother to argue with you at all Vlad, as it seems only silly ole me… that’s regularly belligerent enough to actually get into it.
    I only put the time-n-effort in, because I believe people like you should not get away with the blatant lies you are more than happy to perpetuate. Like Muslim’s over running both the UK and Norway…
    (I doubt you’ve personally visited either country, apart from via the right wing face of the internet)
    And it’s no surprise to me at all, what with you being a Nazi that you don’t personally get why putting the safety of weaker people first makes any ‘animal’ sense at all. The Nazi’s liked exterminating the weak, the different, and the artistic anything in fact that didn’t cut it with male god-heads Wagnerian utopian vision.
    With the ‘Titanic’ issue… do I think women deserve the right to safety first? Yes if mothers of young children, and if elderly, infirm or disabled, then would come the elderly and infirm men… followed by fit adult single women and then finally the fit able bodied men.
    Because pragmatically the most survivors are only possible from a disaster when the stronger folk help the weaker ones… so the strongest bodied and able swimmers taking the toughest stand, by going last and the weaker least able to swim distance going first.
    This reflects into greater society too, making it a civil one… not a fascistic muscle, power, youth, and narcissism worshiping one or where women are reduced to kinder, küche unt kirche… with no legal say so at all.
    Secondly, the crew and captain (on a commercial vessel) are supposedly ‘professional’ mariners, paid for what they do… and if it were my command then most definitely any crew member that failed do their duty fully and to their best ability come ‘crunch’ time, then I would make it my personal mission to throw the book at them.
    In this particular case when the cruise ship was in such shallow waters and very near the shoreline… (more luck than judgement) to have a professional ‘Captain’ desert his post hours before the final passenger were off is worse than disgraceful, and in his case being Italian in charge of an Italian vessel means he was also breaking the rule of local law.
    The polar opposite of this guy was the amazing Capt’ Chesley Sullenberger! A skipper that fully got the concept of cool headed poise and calm demeanour, when faced with overwhelming calamity.
    No small thanks to him no one died when he put flight 1549 into a winter freezing Hudson.
    And why should we admire and respect severely disabled people?… Because some of them are Stephen William Hawking.

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  916. asoka. January 22, 2012 at 3:29 pm #

    Rhino, didn’t you read my criteria for who is an immigrant? The context of the immigration discussion is North America, of which Mexico is a part. The Mexicans are the indigenous peoples.
    If your family has not been here 500 years, then you are an immigrant.
    The Amerindians and Mexicans are not immigrants in my mind because they were here before 1492.

  917. charliefoxtrot January 22, 2012 at 4:33 pm #

    here you go, hose: a chance to change the perception of you as resident impediment- as i understand it, mexicans are not entirely indigenous; but a (forced, for the most part) mix of spaniard conquistadors (rapist soldiers) and indians…the question is moot, since it is not, in fact, 500 years ago; but for the purposes of discussion: i ll take 40 hectares and a bvurro…

  918. Bustin J January 22, 2012 at 4:43 pm #

    Asoka attempts to define the argument in his favor.
    This point of yours is not technical. It is not even a semantic or logical fallacy. It is just pure fantasy.
    Mexico only became an independent state in 1821. Prior to that it was Spanish, and its people subjects to the Royalty of Spain, but they themselves might have objected.
    Various self-defined peoples were: the Olmec, the Toltec, the Teotihuacan, the Zapotec, the Maya and the Aztec.
    Ultimately legitimate citizenship is a legalism and subject to the vicissitudes of history. The history of humanity has been “Might makes Right”, the divine rights of kings, etc. Mexico, as a modern state, maintains this tradition in its crushing of the above-mentioned peoples in its southern states. The USA maintains this tradition in the automatic naturalization of babies that happen to be squirted out of various Uterii on US soil.
    Mexico is a politically impoverished nation, impoverished because the government encouarges emigration and migrant workforces. Its status quo benefits by having its large poor population disenfranchised and out of the country during its elections.
    Emigration has been terrible for Mexico, politically and culturally. Its stagnation and backsliding is partially the fault of US drug and immigration policies, which are really federal employee work programs and de facto subsidies for Big Ag, and corporate Food industries.
    The sooner immigration is stopped, the sooner Mexicans will repatriate and re-mediate its own troubled downward spiral. America needs to dismantle its “War on Drugs” and De-centralize its food supply and begin preparations for surviving the climate crisis.

  919. Vlad Krandz January 22, 2012 at 5:07 pm #

    When have I not been?

  920. Bustin J January 22, 2012 at 5:11 pm #

    I had to comment:
    “With the ‘Titanic’ issue… do I think women deserve the right to safety first? Yes if mothers of young children, and if elderly, infirm or disabled, then would come the elderly and infirm men… followed by fit adult single women and then finally the fit able bodied men.”
    This is chivalry. Society doesn’t advance when the productive and valuable few make way for the weak and indigent, the worthless and old.
    “Because pragmatically the most survivors are only possible from a disaster when the stronger folk help the weaker ones… so the strongest bodied and able swimmers taking the toughest stand, by going last and the weaker least able to swim distance going first.”
    The world has changed. Now we are all “equal”, dear.
    Men don’t get any benefits of their “stronger sex”. Men, in fact, die on average 5 years earlier than women. Men are more susceptible to all sorts of things.
    The victorian-age romanticism of chivalry exists anywhere there is a man who believes that some woman will reward him for it. But today?
    The captain of the Costa disaster off Italy was one of the first in the lifeboats, heading out to sea as his passengers wandered around trying to figure out what to do.
    I have been practicing chauvinism. Its quite enlightening. First, you discard the notion that women are weak creatures in need of your assistance. You stop opening doors for them, or picking up their crap when they drop it all over the floor. You stop returning their insipid social niceties.
    In return you enjoy not being influenced in any way by the female mafia currently overrunning western civilization. You stop caring what they think or how they feel as you are lying your way into their pants. And you are seeing clearly the co-dependent beasts they turn into at the terminal stages of their physical and mental degeneration.
    My philosophy is: they’re all bitches until proven otherwise. You’re pretty cool, Alexandra, but you are not capable of experiencing life like a man does so I don’t think you are qualified to tell us how to act.
    We’re moving into a time of extreme crisis and clusterfuckation, and most women are risk-averse and supporters of steady-state pragmatism: the foot soldiers of consumerism and the status quo.
    It is women who will lead the world’s economies off the population cliff, the consumption cliff, and all the while maintaining any level of ignorance that helps maintain their female vespers of temporary self-fulfillment.
    Ultimately, women are bestial, they never developed a spiritual awareness that comes from being split from the womb of the world by sexual dimorphism. They are well-disguised agents of humanity’s animal nature.
    Consumer society in the hands of women is undoing the world.

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  921. asoka. January 22, 2012 at 5:13 pm #

    Yeah, I should have said MesoAmericans, not Mexicans. Thanks for the correction BustinJ.
    But before the existence of the nations USA and Mexico, the land was shared. There was no border. The invisible legal border was imposed later.
    Now the border is being turned into Swiss cheese by La Reconquista.
    Millions have passed through what, in Spanish, is generally referred to as “El Hueco”
    Anyone who wants to can pass through the so-called border and become a resident of the USA, and they have done just that for decades now.

  922. DeeJones January 22, 2012 at 5:15 pm #

    I believe that men & women are equals. There, does that answer your question?
    Speaking of questions:
    “Come on Flad, what have you done in your life that you can be really truly proud of and can brag about here? Anything? Anything at all?
    We are all waiting with baited breath…
    (sound of chirping crickets in the background…)”
    Geeze, you cant even make something up, like, oh, climbing Mt Everest with one hand tied behind your back, blindfolded, and with both feet bound?
    You really are a sad, pathetic little worm…
    Those chirping crickets are getting pretty loud….
    I’ll give ya till midnight, then you get to wear the Big L on your forehead forever. (That stands for LOOSER, in case you are totally clueless).
    🙂

  923. lbendet January 22, 2012 at 5:16 pm #

    Biil:
    I watched Bill Maher last night; one of his panel members was Haley Barbour.
    I Think you mean Buddy Romer. He seems like a real person with fair ideas. He’s conservative, but not a talking points robot

  924. Bustin J January 22, 2012 at 5:17 pm #

    SNAFU: Quite right, I was referring to Hubbert’s curve.
    Later as I thought about which weaselly way Asoka would argue against my counterpoint, I concluded he would use Daniel Yergin’s powerpoint bonanza of ever-increasing “new production fields”.
    A that point it becomes an exercise of imagination, contingent on questions like, can they extract it, will they extract it, and of course how the fuck do they know how much is really there?
    Either way, the consequences of bringing the carbon to the surface and then putting it in the atmosphere remain, along with the question of how much extra money it is going to cost for the “end-consumer” to use, and at what point does the oil price-point make conventional capitalism impossible?
    In other words, there is no comfort here.

  925. asoka. January 22, 2012 at 5:24 pm #

    Mexico is a politically impoverished nation, impoverished because the government encouarges emigration and migrant workforces.
    ======================
    Really, BustinJ?
    I would say Mexico is about $17 BILION richer as a nation because of emigration.

    Among the countries that receive the most in remittances are Mexico, the Philippines and India. Last year Mexico received more than $17 billion in remittances.

    SOURCE: Immigrants Send Money Home in Record Numbers http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/immigrants-send-money-home.html

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  926. Vlad Krandz January 22, 2012 at 5:25 pm #

    So the elderly or infirm women before the elderly or infirm men? Got you, mein frau. A chauvanist even though hidden in the small print – mixing it right in with the mothers. Nice try! Thank you for your attempt at honesty and logic though.
    I too would let mothers and children go first. Young healthy women? Hell no. Let the super women amaze us with their ability. Let the healthy, both male and female, draw lots. And let the elderly go down with dignity if they must.
    The Nazis had many amazing artists on their side. Ask Buck. They purged the degenerate crap which he doesn’t agree with – and some of which he likes.
    You can’t believe all of Churchill’s bluster. Hitler was an Anglophile and never had any intention of invading. That is well known by now. Churchill was a foolish war monger who helped destroy the Empire – which Hitler admired and considered necessary for world peace.
    Surely you’ve heard the term Eurabia? I’m not the only one to sound the alarm. The math is clear: by 2050 large part of Europe will have a Muslim majority. And the French Army will be majority Muslim long before that. So why are we worrying about Iran and the possibility it gets a nuke when they will have lots of nukes soon enough? But you prefer to pretend that it’s all bull shit. But you’re bullshit and just don’t want to face the fact that the West is going down not like a lion but with a whimper. And your so called morality is not superior since it will lead to this ignomity.
    Twenty years ago Oslo was a place you could walk anywhere anytime of the night. Now tourists and visiting business people are warned off many areas at night. Muslim areas. Surely you don’t pretend that there is no connection between the HUGE spike in crime and the mass Muslim influx?

  927. asoka. January 22, 2012 at 5:28 pm #

    at what point does the oil price-point make conventional capitalism impossible?
    In other words, there is no comfort here.
    ==============
    Au contraire, mon frere. The question should be:
    at what point does the oil price-point make alternative energy development cost effective.
    In other words, there is MUCH comfort here.

  928. Bustin J January 22, 2012 at 5:29 pm #

    8man asks “What we really need is huge public private projects hiring millions seriously, Skyscrapers, Rockets to Mars, Bus Systems, you name it…”
    Really? We have all that. Seriously. Bus services are government subsidy projects, every one. Rockets to Mars- the US has launched 50, 60? (Russia just failed in its 29th attempt). Skyscrapers? They’re going up all over the fucking place. Whoops, all that vertical real estate with no demand leads to market glut, bankruptcy. What do you call the One World Trade Center but a public “image” project. The old Chrysler building was upgraded to LEED status.
    The rest of the economy is driven by “small businesses” and entrepreneurs.
    A hot dog stand isn’t your idea of gainful employment, but it is a cash business which simplifies things. And your customers typically don’t ask annoying questions about where the meat came from, etc…..

  929. Vlad Krandz January 22, 2012 at 5:36 pm #

    Equal? What does that mean? Can a man have a baby? Can a woman sprint the 100 in under 10 seconds or do theoretical physics? Maybe a few can but far more men can. But no man can have a baby – this is women’s unique contribution.
    Equal rights is not the same as equal outcomes – and the attempt to mandate the latter is the obsession of liberal cum communists.
    But thank you for affirming (I guess) that men have just as much right to life as women. And thus women shouldn’t expect men to die for them! I too believe in equality under the law. Though obviously under a just system, far more men would qualify to vote than women – just the nature of things. Mindless entitlement is the enemy of democracy and threatens the very existence of the Republic.
    St Paul told men to love their wives as Christ loved the Church – even to the point of death. But if women want this kind of devotion, they must surrender and obey. Otherwise, trying to get it is just exploitation, trying to get something for nothing or at least much less.

  930. Bustin J January 22, 2012 at 5:42 pm #

    Bustin said “Ultimately, women are bestial, they never developed a spiritual awareness that comes from being split from the womb of the world by sexual dimorphism. They are well-disguised agents of humanity’s animal nature.
    Consumer society in the hands of women is undoing the world.”
    I have to be fair, though and attach the following denouncement:
    The ultimate tools of women are men. The race of men who addicted to females and their whims, the men who cannot deal with reality, deal with being single, and were probably brought up in a miasma of overbearing female attention (being hauled around as a single-mother’s resented reason-for-being) or unwitting victim of feminizing estrogren-mimicing modern chemical pollutants, are as bad or worse than their feminine overlords.
    Its simply more interesting to criticize women directly, since criticizing men is not quite on target. Sure, this race of men are weak-minded tools deserving harsh judgment. But women are still protected by the caul of social protection and idolatry. It is revolutionary from a gender-equality perspective to openly criticize females. Its back in fashion!
    It is high time women’s responsibility for our ongoing problems are exposed. Women will predictably whine about being victimized and implore critics to use kid gloves. But around where I live, women are firmly in control. Of their homes, husbands, 4-wheel drive vehicles, and huge appetites for a never-ending stream of consumer goods, and who cares what pollution is created, or how many kids were enslaved in sweatshops to deliver these comforts?
    There are no more comfortable people in the world that the 1st world female. The world is carrying them and their outsize needs for fuel, fiber, and resources on its back. It is an arrangement without a future.

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  931. Vlad Krandz January 22, 2012 at 5:46 pm #

    One third of American Women said that they would try to get pregnant if they desired it even if their partner was didn’t want it. Fourty five percent of British Women said the same.
    An amazing number of men are cuckolded in marriage – something like 10% of children are not
    the father’s at all. Truly women are not moral creatures as Jim pointed out.

  932. Vlad Krandz January 22, 2012 at 6:05 pm #

    You are the greatest misogynistic writer since Schopenhauer, but will it last this time? Or only until the next slender (for the moment) sylph with mouth and legs ajar comes along?
    The secret of strength is to frankly admit your weakness. This is one of the secrets of Christianity. As St Paul said, “When I am weak, then I am strong.”

  933. Bustin J January 22, 2012 at 6:27 pm #

    VK, I never lower my standards. Not anymore anyway.
    VK points out “One third of American Women said that they would try to get pregnant if they desired it even if their partner was didn’t want it. Fourty five percent of British Women said the same.
    An amazing number of men are cuckolded in marriage – something like 10% of children are not
    the father’s at all. Truly women are not moral creatures as Jim pointed out.”
    Absolutely! The statistics are as follows: 80% of women, on average, survive to successfully reproduce. The figure for men is only 40%.
    In the past month I have been informed by no less than two of somewhat connected relations that they will be procreating. Both college-educated females, both accidental, both sires are willing and able.
    But don’t call it “planned”. Evolution made women and the reproductive organs of both sexes to be “fool-proof” for a reason.
    Even when planning is possible, even when there is pre-term tools like amniocentesis, ultrasound, and centuries of knowledge about things like risks to the fetus due to drinking and lifestyle, when it comes to pregnancy, intellect is short-circuited. It is a matter of instinct and whim.
    So we will see if these blessed accidents come to fruition, or if they come out damaged by the holiday drink binge or the various chemicals imbibed during the months of pre-term awareness, when the fetus was at its most vulnerable.
    Obviously damaged fetii should be aborted. But these college-educated gals want to see what pops out naturally! What fun. The husband and boyfriend utterly resigned to their fate. The health of the progeny is a secondary consideration to mom’s self-fulfillment. Already the females have cloistered, clucking about all the shopping the new baby will “require” as they set about spoiling the shit out of him/her (or the hermaphrodite).

  934. Bustin J January 22, 2012 at 6:28 pm #

    Confidential to 8man, no, we are not blocks of texts, and ideas are not interchangeable, or all of the same truth value.

  935. Alexandra January 22, 2012 at 6:35 pm #

    Norway’s ethnic division:
    Norwegian 94.4% (includes Sami, about 60,000)
    European 3.6%,
    Other 2%
    Religions practised:
    Church of Norway 85.7%,
    Pentecostal 1%,
    Roman Catholic 1%,
    Other Christian 2.4%,
    Muslim 1.8%,
    Other 8.1%
    (Yes the figures bear out Vlad’s fears in VLAD WORLD, Oslo now dominated by the raging Muslim crime wave not)
    So let’s see what’s really going on shall we?
    http://www.dagbladet.no/
    Main coverage is of course Newt the come back kid, the appalling weather, the only crime stories are (1) the fake please twitter page, (2) a youth stabbing at a Karaoke club… and a Nog immigrant talking about his ongoing trauma due to the Nazi terror attacker Breivik.
    What now Vlad… home comforts time? Slip the fake Nazi uniform on, put on a Hitler speech recording and beat the meat to some blond Arian man-on-man muscle type porn?

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  936. Bustin J January 22, 2012 at 6:37 pm #

    NatGeo channel on cable is turning El Hueco (“The Gap”) into the latest televised-entertainment show.
    Soon the tens of thousands of trained American professional ass-kickers will be home looking for a well-paying job, and the drones will be flying all over. Sooner or later “The Gap” will be filled with our new robot overlords.
    The election cycle will be interesting with Gingrich as the candidate. Only Gingrich has the verbal skill and balls to damage Obama.
    Obama would wipe the floor with Romney and the rest of the field, but Gingrich will push the political agenda. The “Immigrant Issue” could become a major centerpiece of campaign dogma.
    The official stats indicate the “le Reconquista” has tapered off, some analysts saying it will never return. Of course there is a saturation point.

  937. asoka. January 22, 2012 at 6:50 pm #

    This is one of the secrets of Christianity. As St Paul said, “When I am weak, then I am strong.”
    ==================
    Cool! Christianity rocks! Blessed are the peacemakers! The last shall be first! Rich people should give all their shit to the poor.
    What a great religion Christianity is! So practical. Virgin birth, water into wine, etc.
    And it works. Look at the great white western civilization Christianity has spawned. Praise the Lord! Pass the ammunition! Such an inspiring religion.

  938. Bustin J January 22, 2012 at 6:56 pm #

    Asoka said “Au contraire, mon frere. The question should be:
    at what point does the oil price-point make alternative energy development cost effective.
    In other words, there is MUCH comfort here. ”
    But alternative energy, even made cost effective, will require fossil fuels to ramp up, to mass-manufacture to replace fossil fuels at the old levels of density and efficiency, and that is the point of contention. That is our “el Hueco”, mi amigo.
    It is a deep, deep pit, too. There isn’t going to be enough to meet demand for transportation, for a great many people on the planet, and all these shiny cars are going to sit there, or their owners will pay dearly. The commodities that are delivered to our ‘just in time’ economic model will likewise be in serious doo-doo.
    Yeah, the great dismounting of the automobile will ensue. It will not be a problem of supply but price which will drive it.
    Its clusterfuck. Nothing will be untouched by $200+ oil. The economy will shrink and governments and money will coalesce around industrial ‘solutions’, but again, there is a temporal gap between ramping up the Thorium reactors of the future and the dead in the water oil driven way of life.
    As JHK said, a good set of hand tools

  939. Alexandra January 22, 2012 at 7:01 pm #

    Father… forgive them, for they know not what they do…
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/20/iran-war-brewing-simon-tisdall

  940. welles January 22, 2012 at 7:02 pm #

    we don’t got none of you yanqui problems down here in brazil, we like life and no one knows what color you are…we got great food and family, everyone lives together one big family, you will find yourself here in amongst a loving family that isn’t even “yours” by birth….
    eff the US, come down here, we will treat you right…..why do you persist torturing yourself in the United Mistakes?????
    peace peaceniks

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  941. Bustin J January 22, 2012 at 7:04 pm #

    There is a practice in Catholicism that involves braiding palm tree leaves and giving them out. I think maybe it was for Lent, when you smear ashes on your forehead instead of dabbing with holy water.
    Anyway, the presence of the palm plant is a reminder that Christianity is a Mediterranean religion, a religion for people who live in stable year-round climates, with year-round food production.
    Northern European/American/”Western” culture is the amalgamated combination of a pagan European tradition going back thousands of years before Christ with the new gospels and visuals, like the man nailed to the tree, the “virgin” birth, etc.
    The point is that one of these aspects is older, more fundamental, and more reasonable. That would be the pagan rites and beliefs. There has always been an unstable relationship between the northern paganism and the southern cosmology.
    The problem is that the north is a harsh world that punishes you if you don’t make prearations and survive. In other words, no “Christian God” inhabits this realm. There is milk and honey, but only if you work for it, otherwise, God comes along and, embodied in the elements, kicks your ass.
    The balmy climes closer to the equator are the true home of Head Homies just Jesus and the holy ghost. A generally milder realm where you could imagine all day long that there is a dude in the sky which makes trees sprout olives and grass and water flow.
    I forgot what my point was….

  942. welles January 22, 2012 at 7:09 pm #

    …each other forever in an infinite recursion creating
    dude shut the fuck up, you’re just infinite possibility recursion backbending onto itself all the time….
    your commentary is useless. if you are right, so the fuck what? people still exist in the reality world, for what it’s worth, they will eat a meal……
    go and build your trillion skyscrapers, you’re useless, and sound like a typical somewhat educated big-city dweller…..
    it doesnt help to know that everything is relative, give us something to grab onto and act in the real world asshole….
    peace peaceniks

  943. welles January 22, 2012 at 7:12 pm #

    I take back any calumny i spewed against bustinJ, bud i like your commentary, though you are somewhat exaggerated in some regards….
    you do not need a point, point is taken
    peace bud
    peace peaceniks

  944. Buck Stud January 22, 2012 at 7:59 pm #

    Balkan,
    Thanks for the well wishes and I enjoyed reading your response. Obviously, you’re very knowledgeable and articulate regarding the subject of art. I also agree with you about Picasso. In fact, a couple of posters on this blog- Vlad and Anti-Soak – have expressed the very opinions you write about concerning Picasso.
    Piet Mondrian is another artist whose work went through an extraordinary evolution. His early landscapes, especially his watercolors, are simply amazing displays of the highest technical acumen as it relates to representational art. But he lost me with his neo-plasticism efforts, however intellectually profound they might be, or at least after the art critics reinvent his purpose. I suppose I am a shallow sort, beauty is what initially grabs my attention and works such as “Broadway Boogie Woogie” struck me as not much more interesting than well-designed kitchen and bath tile.
    But here I am talking about what is “good” and we all know there is no accounting for taste 🙂

  945. Buck Stud January 22, 2012 at 8:08 pm #

    “The Nazis had many amazing artists on their side. Ask Buck.”
    Every time you mention ‘amazing Nazi artists’ I will reward you with an image from one of their best- Arno Brecker.
    Enjoy, Vlad!
    http://static2.akpool.de/images/cards/30/307041.jpg

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  946. Widespreadpanic7 January 22, 2012 at 8:38 pm #

    Asoka, part of Jill Stein’s platform is to end war, end hunger, and provide healthcare for everyone.
    Is she a lecturer on utopianism at a poly sci symposium at the local community college, or is she a serious alternative presidential candidate in a hardcase, bankrupt, fractured, post-industrial, trigger happy nuclear powered declining nation of 310 million embittered souls looking everywhere to kick some ass and score some oil, cash, natural gas and coal???
    End hunger? Outlaw War? Don’t tell me. She is into ‘Zen’ and shops down at the Whole Foods Market. We know the type.
    –WSP7

  947. anti soak January 22, 2012 at 10:30 pm #

    WSP7
    She taught at..UC? NYJoo?
    Has a Prius?
    Is an advocate for the transgendered?

  948. asoka. January 22, 2012 at 10:33 pm #

    But alternative energy, even made cost effective, will require fossil fuels to ramp up, to mass-manufacture to replace fossil fuels at the old levels of density and efficiency, and that is the point of contention.

    No, now you are moving the goal posts and presenting a straw man.
    We were discussing “Peak Oil” and now you have shifted to “fossil fuels” which is a whole different animal. We have plenty of fossil fuels besides sweet light low-hanging fruit crude oil.
    Have you ever heard of natural gas or biodiesel just to name two sources. Ever hear of coal? We have much more than 47 years. What we need is $10 a gallon gasoline as a motivating factor.
    Your argument that we don’t have enough energy to develop alternative energies is bogus.

  949. anti soak January 22, 2012 at 10:34 pm #

    one of yr best posts lately!

  950. asoka. January 22, 2012 at 10:36 pm #

    You have something against transgendered persons?
    You have something against hybrid vehicles?
    You may think that she’s a dreamer, but she’s not the only one. I hope some day you’ll join us. And the world will be as one.

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  951. anti soak January 22, 2012 at 10:38 pm #

    ‘Emigration has been terrible for Mexico’….
    OK BJ……. lets talk numbers!
    My numbers are rough….
    Mexico 1900…10 million people
    Mexico 2020 ..100 million
    + 50? million Latinos here…
    So how could Mexico survive without offshoring its #1 export….Humans?

  952. anti soak January 22, 2012 at 10:47 pm #

    ‘Against hybrid vehicles?
    HOW MANY LIVES PER GALLON?
    AND WHATS THE COST TO CANADA’S ENVIRONMENT FOR MAKING PRIUS PARTS?

  953. anti soak January 22, 2012 at 10:50 pm #

    ‘HUGE spike in crime and the mass Muslim influx?’
    Methinks you are on a fools errand to convince someone of the dangers of muslims and muslim rape
    in Rotterdam, etcetcetc.
    WHY DO YOU BOTHER?

  954. anti soak January 22, 2012 at 10:55 pm #

    IF WSwedes have 1 child families [YES?}
    and Muslim Swedes have 7 child families on the white mans dime [thanks Vlad, for that term]
    And like the Mexicans here in West LA they start
    birthing brown babies starting at the age of 14..
    well….In 40 years [2 generations for the muslims, one for the Christians] HOW DO THE STATS LOOK
    AT 2052?

  955. Bustin J January 22, 2012 at 10:55 pm #

    The response to Auntie soak, is: By buying and selling goods and services in their domestic market and engaging in trade with partners…
    Mexico is a large country, with too many people. That means, in general, it is not unlike many if not most other countries.
    Mexico is a nation of low self-esteem and high potential.
    It needs voters to stay in Mexico and vote progressives into office. The existing oligarchy lost the last election by a hair. It was almost like the people that left Florida on vacation and returned to find out their vote actually counted.
    As for the likes of Gingrich as president, don’t count it out. After all, an ex-alcoholic daddy’s boy was voted by the same electorate twice over the last decade.
    The further Gingrich “fell” (as a fallen man), the better. How could he possibly have less to offer than W.?
    I am imagining a nail-biting shocker as Gingrich is “Born again” in a September Shocker. But will the public be so amused as to leave Obama with no votes?
    Nope. Obama vs. Gingrich will have the country on the edge of their seats. It will be as reverent as Canadians watching hockey. The debates could trigger full-on riots with the Tea Party and Occupy in the offing, plus dark horse internet candidates and other international agitprop.

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  956. anti soak January 22, 2012 at 11:00 pm #

    Usually I try to ignore yr ‘posts’….
    but this….’Ever hear of coal?’
    EVER HEARD OF CHINA?
    EVER HEARD OF AIR POLLUTION?
    Google Image ‘worlds worst air pollution’!!!!!!

  957. anti soak January 22, 2012 at 11:03 pm #

    I know the fate of the guy you just quoted…
    The dreamer is gone.

  958. asoka. January 22, 2012 at 11:12 pm #

    EVER HEARD OF OBAMA?
    EVER HEARD OF OBAMA’S EPA?

    Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency today unveiled tough new air pollution regulations aimed at dramatically cleaning up emissions of coal-fired power plants and boosting air quality across 27 states, a move analysts say will likely cause scores of older, inefficient plants to become uneconomical and be shut down.

    Effects should appear relatively quickly. Under the new Cross-State Air Pollution Rule, some 900 coal-fired, natural gas-fueled, and oil-burning power plants must slash emissions by 2014.

  959. asoka. January 22, 2012 at 11:14 pm #

    For you, maybe.

  960. Bustin J January 22, 2012 at 11:24 pm #

    ” But alternative energy, even made cost effective, will require fossil fuels to ramp up, to mass-manufacture to replace fossil fuels at the old levels of density and efficiency, and that is the point of contention.
    No, now you are moving the goal posts and presenting a straw man.”
    No, the goal posts are moving on their own, and that’s my point:
    You said, “at what point does the oil price-point make alternative energy development cost effective?”
    And I am saying, costs never become effective because, as energy prices rise, so does manufacturing prices, transport prices, installation prices, & etc.
    It is not an assurance that an alternative grid will be established, because the primary energy source is meeting increased demand and imposing cyclical demand destruction on the system.
    If people were running out and getting natural gas conversions or replacing their engines with diesel, there would be “MUCH comfort”. However, what we’re looking at is the balls to the wall scenario where we keep trying to run the global economy and keeping oil as cheap and available as possible.
    The question that assures me that we avoid real pain is whether those changes are developed, deployed, and maintained BEFORE snowballing costs throw the entire system into extreme dysfunction.
    I look at the peak oil problem like I look at the climate problem. In the climate problem, humanity is ant apparently doing anything to avoid the worst, or even change course. Fuck you very much for recycling your plastic bags.
    Here’s the thing: the global economy cannot be controlled. As long as there are cars that burn unleaded, oil will be burned in them.
    So it is not just the moving goal posts that make the alternative fuel infrastructure impossible. It is the technical complexity of the thing. Kill the economy, it kills the technological transition. Kill the technological transition, and say goodbye, runaway out of control climate.
    We are approaching the Point of No Return: The point at which there is nothing we can do even if we wanted to.
    Humanity desperately needs to unplug, give away, turn off, tune out, refuse to participate or play along.
    If 8man wants to survive I’d suggest he start building that mission into Space.
    We were discussing “Peak Oil” and now you have shifted to “fossil fuels” which is a whole different animal. We have plenty of fossil fuels besides sweet light low-hanging fruit crude oil.
    Have you ever heard of natural gas or biodiesel just to name two sources. Ever hear of coal? We have much more than 47 years. What we need is $10 a gallon gasoline as a motivating factor.
    Your argument that we don’t have enough energy to develop alternative energies is bogus.”
    Okay, fair enough. But here’s the thing, gas won’t settle at $10, it will simply rise to the level it destroys demand.
    If the U.S. is at $10/gal, the UK will be at $30/gal, mmkay?
    It means the era of personal transport by the middle classes is starting to cost more than its worth.
    The 12,0000 miles caesar salad will be able to invest in methane and biodiesel, and maybe the end consumer will be able to eat it, but, the end consumer is not going to be able to afford the cash outlay to put a new engine in the car. They will be stuck with the old car, and they will not be buying much gas. The states will not be receiving their revenue, and everyone will have to make other arrangements.
    So far its like a bad dream. You save up for the solar panel setup and wait for the price to fall, but it never falls. Production costs decline but your marginal savings are eaten up by the cost of everything going up while the exchange rate goes down. The economy goes to shit, you lose your job- there went your savings. Get a new job, make less, and the solar panels prices haven’t changed!
    What falls faster, the price point or the dollar?
    I know your advice: move to where the sun is. My advice is simpler: why the fuck you need electrical power? Netflix?
    I don’t approve of current, let alone future fossil fuel orgiastic expenditure.

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  961. BeantownBill January 23, 2012 at 12:37 am #

    Ok, Bustin must have broken up with his girlfriend because he’s on an anti-woman rant, and Vlad, who I don’t know personally, must have been pretty unsuccessful in the relationship area.
    Me, I’ve been lucky. I waited awhile to get married. I frequently had good success with female relationships before that, but I still didn’t know anything about women. After my obligatory divorce, I became determined to truly learn about the female of the species. After several years, I remarried and really learned over the following years how to truly carry on a relationship with a woman. Both parties have to work at it a lot to make it together, but the rewards are wonderful. I’ve now been with my second wife for almost 30 years, and am very happy.
    Women are just human beings, but with different hormones and different builds (obviously). So to my mind, all these complaints about women are bullshit. They’re just sour grapes from men who don’t know how to truly communicate. Grow up and work on yourselves, first.

  962. Bustin J January 23, 2012 at 12:57 am #

    Asoka said “Among the countries that receive the most in remittances are Mexico, the Philippines and India. Last year Mexico received more than $17 billion in remittances.”
    Its impressive, I’m not saying its not.
    But that is not the same value as the value of having hard working, motivated people in-country working for its future. They are engaged in the maintenance of the U.S.’s unsustainable living arrangement.
    A sustainable arrangement would be sustainable development on both sides of the fence, and trading goods and services. Shit, Mexican wages are 1/6 to 1/10th American wages. Where are the Mexican solar panel factories? Mexico has tons of sunshine! They should be leading the world- but they’re not. Who is to say?
    One thing is for sure, they aren’t taking that $17 billion and plowing it into research and development. They are economically and politically stagnant.

  963. Vlad Krandz January 23, 2012 at 1:03 am #

    If you had served in the Pacific Theater, you might have some appreciation for Eastern Culture. Countless G.I’s were enriched. They too have the swastika – the symbol of evolution.

  964. Eleuthero January 23, 2012 at 1:25 am #

    LB said:
    The charge card debt is indicative of not having the wages one needs to stay afloat in what was supposed to be a supportable lifestyle. Though we are intellectually aware of societal debt, everything still feels normal, so people continue doing the same thing…they don’t change until they have to.
    ************************************************************
    Abso-freaking-lutely!!! That’s EXACTLY what the credit card debt indicates. Of course, it’s enhanced by the fact that we’re at a gigantic inflection point as a culture so people still spend AS IF the good jobs that existed as recently as ten years ago in profusion were still around.
    People are living as if they do not wish to witness this inflection point. Besides, when you spend with a credit card, you get to pretend that the expenditure, no matter how large, is only your $25 monthly minimum payment. In this creation of delusion, the bankers, once again, pose as our “friends”.
    You know the old adage, LB: “If you owe the bank $20,000 YOU are in trouble. If you owe the bank $20,000,000, the BANK is in trouble”. This old adage makes clear that even in past ages, the plutocrats are simply the most adept crooks. If an ordinary Joe takes $100 from his company’s cash register, he’s an embezzler. If a plutocrat has a fleet of Gulfstream Jets that he doesn’t need, it’s “compensation”.
    It’s enough to make one a Christian witnessing this horror. The Fighting Jesus threw the moneychangers out of the temple … and so should we. Christ rarely demonstrated extreme vituperation so, being the great man he was, we should wonder WHY he chose that moment and those people. These financiers running the country ARE WORSE THAN MURDERERS.
    E.

  965. Eleuthero January 23, 2012 at 1:47 am #

    LB said:
    I could not believe my ears when NN gave his victory speech–oh boy, remember I always say about the Repubnicants that they are revisionist, revanches and regressive, but this is just amazing even for the Orwellians that they are.
    ***********************************************************
    You’re on a roll, LB!!! These Republicans, starting with Nixon but in spades with Reagan, are all about creating Socialist “inner circle” protections for their cronies in government, arms sales, the energy industry, and the defense industry. “Capitalism” is what they leave to us “little people” i.e., the right to fight over whichever scraps are left on the table after they’ve eaten the entire banquet.
    E.

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  966. IxNoMor January 23, 2012 at 2:06 am #

    What can be said – $1.4 quadrillion in CDS/CDO’s. Sock puppets out the ASS. A DOW market increasing to 13.5K, with absolutely no basis *WHATSOEVER*.
    Sounds like JHK will make us *PROUD*, next week… Cut and dried, *TO BE SURE*.
    And douche-baggery primaries with circus clowns – *NOT* in Florida, Ohio, Illinois, Pennsylvania, New York, Texas, or *California*. Well, maybe in FL, next week. Talk about dragging *SH!T* out. Circus clowns? Circus *CLOWNS*!!!
    Take a look at the clearcuts you can see – they are merely a microcosm of the actual clearcuts that have been engaged. Remember, CO2 in the atmosphere *COULD HAVE* been absorbed by those plants in the clearcuts…
    Put that in your pipe, and *SMOKE IT*.

  967. tegmark January 23, 2012 at 2:47 am #

    Uh, oh, someone is sh*ting on the Internet Again…
    Please scroll past these blocks of texts. Please erase all of my posts from the Internet. Please erase the Internet. Thank you.
    The transition from fixed brain to variable brain (the brain is no longer an independent variable) from the invariant word we live in to the new invariant world for the new world the new brain lives in disconnects the two universes from each other: history no longer exists, space and time no longer exist, the two affairs are disjoint, cannot communicate between each other because they are not supposed to, by definition, the two things having nothing to do with each other. And so, even in this case we see how our arbitrary structures, history, space and time and all of memory segments designing reality are just toys, are just signs written on a slab of matter to make believe that they are somehow real, that they correspond to some absolute reference system when all they are are make believe crystallization of rules and experiences so as to furnish a constant path of navigation of reality to the experiencing brain and nothing more; as the brain gradually transits from one design to another, from one configuration to a new configuration it cannot follow its own transformations, it must relinquish control and it must stop being a free will gadget: it doesn’t know who or what designed its invariant parts, something external, outside, something independent from it designed it, but that independence is disconnected from its internal memory hence reference system and so it always has a partial view of the universe, nay, there is no global view, only so many different partial views since in order to see the entire view it would have to be a variable brain gradually transforming itself into all possible brain designs and remembering all the paths necessary to obtain each new brain designing and comparing them to what ? to nothing, since you always have to arbitrarily choose which memory segment will become the invariant, the reference system.
    As a new design is produced and that brain still contains a free will gadget that is in relinquish mode, it is unaware of its past history, of its origin and story as understood in the designing brains reference system ( but just like we will be always unaware of the past history that designed our brain as understood in “Natural Evolution’s” reference system (and how can blind forces have a reference system ? wow that must be so totally disjoint from us!)).
    Each memory sign is a new reference system to which each new memory sign will be compared to and will reinforce a virtual make believe “reference system” to which that brain – Matter Undergoing Experience is anchored to; the memory segment, no matter how long, how perfect, how well tuned and synchronized to the pain/pleasure/feelings/cause and effects that arbitrarily designed contraption possesses, is always just a short story, only a partial story, so partial that the length of the story is vanishingly small, as the number of combination of new possible brains is so huge.
    So when you go to the cemetery and see born 1944 died 1978 remember that that is just a short memory segment as defined by our reference systems: that slab of matter was never born and never died, never lived in any geographical position and never even lived, we are just petting our memory.
    And as you see, I am like the first DNA molecule, the first molecule to which then all the other molecules of life evolved to: the idea of the brain becoming a variable is like the first DNA molecule of life: it will open up so many new universes, but also close ours up forever and forever shatter all of our certainties as no certainty will ever be possible again, unless you erase you memory, which can be done and should be done since the memory sings creating reference systems are simply a kind of write only memory: anything can be written to your or that or any memory and create a new reference system and anything can become absolutely true or false or anything at all.
    I know, I understand, would you relinquish control and stick chips in your brain ? would you choose to end you existence as a free will gadget ? no way jose’ ! we (or you ? or it ?) are our reference system, we are our memory and rules of engagements and interactions, etc. By sticking wild stuff inside the contraption we have at the top end of our body we would become something else, or something unknown and who wants that ?!?! but it has been done, everything you see is a modified brain as in Brainium, or it is being done gradually with all of these electronic gadgets surrounding us, or maybe it started as soon as we started writing down our memory and as soon as we started executing abstract logic upon the material world.
    But this is simply the end result of thousands of years of increased rationality: sooner or later reason and rationality will want to dismantle itself to see what is inside of itself, it is the natural outcome of our present universe, as our universe is only us using and describing it and nothing else.
    Now, is that what I wanted to say ? I don’t even remember.. and I thought I had something else to say, a whole bunch of other things to say, but I get confused and forget or remember something that I never thought in the first place, and I loose a lot of these blocks of text, I erase them and they go away…

  968. tegmark January 23, 2012 at 2:51 am #

    That was from:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177939
    Please, be so kind as to study it very carefully…

  969. 8man January 23, 2012 at 5:03 am #

    Troll Alert! Troll Alert! Spam Alert ! Please Erase all of these kinds of posts. Please Erase Everything. Please Erase Everything Possible. Please Erase the World. Please Erase the Universe. Please Erase All.
    Please Erase. THANK YOU.
    Warning: I just make this crap up: it has absolutely no value. Thank You. Please scroll past these blocks of texts. Please erase all of my posts from the Internet. Please erase the Internet. Thank you.
    To Busty:
    5:42
    “unwitting victim of feminizing estrogren-mimicing modern chemical pollutants, ”
    Are you sick in the head or what ? You are worried about all these “chemicals”, “pollution” and such BS; why don’t you free your mind instead ? How on earth can you know or care about all that BS (a negative effect of science: too much information, everything is questioned, eveything is a problem, everyone becomes so snotty and a snob wanting perfection and all the studies and all such huge crap. Who the ph*k cares! just do all you want!) and then the truth is lifespans have continually increased, we live longer thanks to all of that pollution then. If it were true that pollution is doing all of this harm then we should all be dying earlier, instead we are healthier than ever, the world is going forward and moving forward by the boatloads and all you greens see is superstitions, boogie mans, and evils and things like that. You all still believe in witches and the Devil: like I said repeatedly, all of this environmental crap, and greenies, and against consumerism and pollution is ALL A RELIGION, A BACKWARD WARPED SICK RELIGION STOPPING MAN FROM GOING FORWARD. MIGHT AS WELL JUST GIVE US BACK THE OLD CHRIST AND HEAVEN AND HELL AT LEAST THEY DIDN’T BUST EVERYONE’S CHOPS WITH ALL OF THIS BS, OH, YOU CAN’T BUILD ATOMIC ENERGY PLANTS, YOU CAN’T BUILD HIGH SPEED TRAINS, YOU CAN ‘T BUILD THIS AND THAT AND YOU NAME IT A NEVER ENDING ARRAY OF DON’T DO THIS AND DON’T DO THAT WORSE THAN THE WORSE FUNDAMENTALIST RELIGIONS!
    5:29
    “Skyscrapers? They’re going up all over the fucking place.”
    And then the USA isn’t building Skyscrapers at all, they have stopped building them a long time ago, while they are building them in other more progressive and advanced parts of the world like China and Dubai. We need to get the USA back into the Skyscraper business big time: build hundreds in all of the cities, in Boston, Philadelphia, Oklahoma City, you name it, hundreds of new 100 floor skyscrapers, large monoliths, large structures of which to feel proud of, an achievement, you have achieved, you have won, man has conquered nature. Show off by building Skyscrapers jackasses!
    We are slaves of “Other Minds”, of what thought processes are occurring in other minds, their judgments, their intentionalities with regards to you, what they intend to do with you, how they feel about you, and how is that tied into so much importance for us ? Is it from our history ? your mommy had complete control over you since the beginning, so that power slowly migrated to other actors, but they are always external actors that always have some power over you no matter what. But the greatest power over you is the power of judgment, even when it rarely has any effect, it becomes a symbolic mechanism in our mind, we need acceptance, we need to be judged well, mommy has to love us no matter what, and if it isn’t mommy it has to be anyone else, anything else, we need security and therefore we are always searching for that acceptance and good judgments from the independent other minds, since independent minds are simply free will gadgets.
    So all we do, no matter how hidden, and indirectly, all we do, we do for some kind of mommy, for so kind of judgment, for some abstract denotational, indirectional external mind, or external eye, the eye of GOD (and this is where religion comes from ?): so much effort, an effort of a lifetime, no matter what, even if it is judged just one second every 50 years (the final judgment ? heaven or hell ?), but just that second of judgment, that says: good, that is good, I liked that, makes up for all the effort. We are slaves of other minds always, a whim of our brain, a fluke of the way our mental computer program operates.
    And we are also the connector of the world, connecting all kinds of random entities through all kinds of narratives, through all kinds of make believe causes and effects, since we can invent anything at all, we can design any cause and effect, any association at all, as our mind can mix and match and make up any sequence of events or situations, or items, any slab of matter can become a word or tag or concept and behavior, anything can be connected to anything at all (and the worldwide Internet makes connecting anything to anything even easier), then we can invent any rules, any world, any make believe interdiction, essentially any game we force ourselves and a group of people and the entire civilization to play: AS IN MAN IS THE INFINITELY PROGRAMMABLE MACHINE AND INFINITELY PROGRAMS ALL MEANINGS, ASSOCIATIONS AND ENTITIES IN HIS ENVIRONMENT IN ANYWAY JUST BECAUSE, FOR NO REASON AT ALL.
    We are just a slab of matter who thinks that it is awake and alive: nothing further from the truth, we a monolithic slab of Mass Energy – Matter, hence nothing that tries to be something.
    Please give us back our Old Nothing. We don’t want anything at all anymore. We want to Give Up. Give us Empty, Bare, Vacuum, Void. Let us Vanish completely. Please give us back Nothing, Nothing at all, give us back our Old Nothing forever (AKA DEAD), that is where we truly belong.

  970. Alexandra January 23, 2012 at 6:50 am #

    @ Bustin J
    One must apologies for missing your retort to me [5:11pm] yesterday.
    But wading through the mass latherings of the dispossessed, means it’s all too easy to miss the odd gem or two.
    You say: *Society doesn’t advance when the productive and valuable few make way for the weak and indigent, the worthless and old*
    This is Fascism and fits well with a neo-con agenda. I’m sure Vald got a hard-on reading it…
    As you state you practise chauvinism too, if you’re under 40 Bustin – I dare say you’d do most well as Jarhead fodder – if white collar unemployment for you looms? The USA is going to need an awful lot of themt soon, as it would seem you are already able to show biased devotion to an attitude or cause… Gingrich is playing hard on miltel service and patriotism… so some clues there maybe?
    And on restoring feelings about ‘great’ America, and his past would show he has a laissez-faire attitude to women. So as a tick-box candidate he should suit you down to the ground…
    And I beg to differ re: * It is women who will lead the world’s economies off the population cliff, the consumption cliff*
    The limits to growth is not an either or uniquely male/female problem.
    Its one of a lack of education, as soon as women are empowered in third world countries given access to higher level schooling and safe contraception – birth rates quickly fall. China is a prime example of this.
    I dare say this change is ‘key’ to what‘s turning some men in to women haters… if we dare to become smarter, more successful and financially powerful than you.
    And as an aside in the UK the head of the Green Party is a woman, Caroline Lucas, and more women vote for it than men do, its political cause is in line with TLE thinking, and a sustainable future for our offspring.
    The ‘misandry weirdo’s’ are already on her back as like in Norway and being considered in France she believes that big corps/plcs should have a mandatory ratio of 40% women on the board…
    (Sounds infinitely sensible to me)
    As it’s those excesses that need to curbed far more urgently, rather than an say an errant air-head trophy wife’s need for excessive amounts of shoes…
    Be seeing you…

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  971. 8man January 23, 2012 at 7:42 am #

    ….Those last posts of the resident genius were kind of depressing…
    Hey Alexandra, just get vlad’s black d*ildo and shove it up your p*ssy, that’s all you need really, horny slut. You don’t need all their BS, just ignore vlad and busty, just ignore those two fagots…

  972. bubbleheadMarc January 23, 2012 at 8:02 am #

    Christianity is paganism. Where do you think it came from? It most certainly didn’t appear out of thin air but was based upon earlier models, namely Egyptian mythology. All of the “events” in the gospels are recycled Egyptian mythology. And all of the paganistic religions in the ancient Mediterranean were essentially the same revolving as they did around god men born to virgins who perform miracles then are killed, then visit the underworld before being miraculously reborn. I think it was Justin Martyr who even went so far as to corrrespond with [other] pagans assuring them that the Catholics believed the same things as they. The other pagans had to be gotten rid of because they knew that Christianity was a made up cult assembled from the components readily at hand. Orthodoxy and Catholicism also owe much to Mithraism, which was the most popular cult among the Roman soldiery. For instance the latinate bishop’s mitre is fashioned after head gear worn by mithraist priests and was intended originally to look like the open mouth of a fish. There is nothing new under the sun. References: The Pagan Christ by Harpur and The Jesus Mysteries by Freke and Gandy.

  973. old69 January 23, 2012 at 8:13 am #

    Please scroll past these blocks of texts. Please erase all of my posts from the Internet. Please erase the Internet. Thank you. No Rights Reserved, all of these blocks of text do not belong to anybody since they were not written by anybody; they are machine generated; feel free to pollute the internet by copying them and posting them anywhere, but please DO NOT POLLUTE THE INTERNET ANY FURTHER ! Thank You.
    Comic Book World
    As a strange affair, people on the internet become fake, make believe, they just become a block of text, disembodied, without substance, inventions, make believe, a comic book world, blocks of text with some associated free will gadget connected to them, but there is no face or body associated with them: but then why must a face or body or name be associated to a block of text ? might as well associate a mountain, a tree, a car or anything else, as in anything can be associated to anything else, anything can be put in a bag and assigned a new symbol, a new content, a new delimitation, and any other thing can be composed of any other things and the rules of engagements (between them or anything else) can be any or even other bags full of items, wickedly different and unrelated items that come together to produce something new and mysterious. very strange…
    I was thinking about why Modified Brains, New Brain Designs is not an issue of discourse, is not a subject of conversation: because it essentially does away with a “common world” amongst people, the entire idea of “consensus” and a “common reality” disappears when talking about a new Man Brain as a new type of Observer, Processor.
    So essentially, there is nothing to talk about, the new brain will observe a reality that is 100 % subjective (but only to us, as our reality is also 100 % subjective but hidden behind a layer of imaginary objectivity since it is made up of many independent but similar processors (each person) communicating that which they have in common and their rules of engagements, but if you take the set of all processors (a civilization, a population, a group of people) and you assign it as one single entity (how it should be assigned as it is made up of multiple copies of itself to make believe that it occupies all of the universe and is a simulation of some kind of external objective reality), that single entity is just one very specific, arbitrary, make believe, joke on itself modified brain, the famous and well known Man Brain the resident genius talks about always.
    We are always interacting and talking with others so as to test if we win/lose and to exist/in the minds of others, to feel that we are achieving, and doing the right thing, to be comforted by the communication, by what we imagine to have in common, we need to reinforce the consensus and common ground our Man Brain is subject to by continuous communication with other copies of itself, nay, better if they contradict you, so that it looks like there is actually some difference amongst Man Brains so as to continue the farce of independence and external reality: nothing further from the truth, each encounter is a new creation, a new game that serves to simply confirm forever the final score of the same game played over and over again, and each new second of interaction is a subtle test, you want excitement and change and guessing and chance, but you all know deep inside that there is no surprise and guess, the Man Brain is always reproducing itself and versions of itself until it doesn’t anymore by sticking wild things in the skull, crack open skulls and start sticking wild gears, pistons, stick an Oldsmobile Ninety Eight in your brain connect, the wires in wildly chaotic ways, you get the idea…
    AN APE

  974. bubbleheadMarc January 23, 2012 at 8:19 am #

    A voice of sanity amongst the misogynistic ranters! Reminds me of the cartoon of a barroom full of men with the bartender announcing: “okay it’s unanimously adopted that ‘all women are crazy’: next item on the agenda”.
    It goes without saying that women are only people just like us, the supposedly in control and masterful Neanderthal Dudes. However, although women may still be just folks, society and the rules of the game keep changing, the goal posts keep getting moved further and further back, and in general we’ve all been awakened in the midst of this societal nightmare in which nobody knows what’s really expected of them anymore.
    A classmate at barber “college” [where we all read one entire book just to prove we could read], a twice divorced ex-sailor [skimmer puke variety not a bubblehead like me]classmate now a Cleveland cop asked me “what do women want?” After telling him about Sigmund Freud [sp?] I managed to pull this one out of my ass: “women aren’t so complicated; just figure out a way to make a quarter million per year [mid ’90s money] and you’ll have all the women you can handle, after all, they like to shop and they’re going to need your money to do that, so get to it lifer dog [my nickname for him since he was stupid enough to reenlist twice before wisely getting out once and for all].
    I live with two female relatives. If I want peace at any price I must continually remind myself: do their bidding or they will subject you to the torments of the damned; take out the garbage, feed the birds in the backyard, run the snowblower, deliver the groceries, never complain about your crappy job or the real world, be patient and some day you’ll be able to disappear to go camping for the rest of your life out west. Don’t admit it to them if you ever vote Republican.

  975. Alexandra January 23, 2012 at 8:25 am #

    Yoh’ Eightman…
    (Polite cough)… I’ll let you in on a special secret, something an attention seeking little boy like you will lap right up. Dildos don’t really do it for me, as do any man-made toys/vibrators/paraphernalia at all in fact.
    If I’m in need of a potent black phallus, I’ll make sure it comes with a living breathing fully-developed man attached, whom has fully mastered the art of using his tongue and fingers…
    (Artificial is so over)
    But thanks for the thought sweetie… now go back to scribbling all over the blog darling… you have Mommy’s permission!

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  976. greyghost05 January 23, 2012 at 8:34 am #

    She probably took Dale Carnigie where the koolaide flows and “it’s all good !” Look for the legalization of reefer down the road as the ultimate pacification tool. Stoners don’t cause trouble unless they can’t get their cheeze doodles and sangria. Liberals are just pussies hiding behind an argument of pseudo intelectual bull shit. Some of them go so far as to grab their ankles and end up with friends up the ass.

  977. bubbleheadMarc January 23, 2012 at 8:37 am #

    With regards to your alternative energy comments back to Bustin J I must agree with you. People forget that their privately owned vehicles are not part of the grid, and hence, their continued viability using present fuels is not essential to the survival of that univeral and basic grid. Furthermore, the grid can be kept going in some form using new inputs such as cheaper thorium fueled reactors, which are superior in every way to uranium reactors. Then of course ultralight motor vehicles using batteries can be recharged from the slowly evolving and adapting grid. Or they could simply be recharged using ones own private windmill or solar array or even a generator which uses methane captured from decaying cow turds on a dairy farm, for instance.
    And we already have an inexhaustible synfuel which is fairly low emissions and carbon neutral namely algae diesel, but unfortunately it now costs $33 per gallon to produce. Of course we are so stupid as a species that were we gifted with unlimited low lying fossil fuel fruit to be handily plucked for our mindless expenditure we would of course cook the entire planet in no time, rendering the planet Earth a sort of cosmic hell on the order of what obtains on the surface of Venus. Climate change contains many positive feedback loops which can continually escalate in a variety of ways releasing for instance all the frozen methane deposits currrently resting on the sea floor in the arctic or even releasing the massive deposits of carbon sequestered in the soil all over the planet. I’m putting my money on the remote viewers who foresaw that the surviving remnants of the human race would eventually be forced to live underneath vast bubbles once the planet was no longer inhabitable as formerly was the case. In other words, if we cannot relocate to other celestial bodies eventually then our collective goose is probably cooked.

  978. greyghost05 January 23, 2012 at 8:49 am #

    You’re right. The true defination of a SLUT is: A Woman with the morals of a Man.

  979. lbendet January 23, 2012 at 8:49 am #

    In other words, if we cannot relocate to other celestial bodies eventually then our collective goose is probably cooked.
    That’s pretty much what Stephen Hawking says.

  980. Martin Hayes January 23, 2012 at 8:52 am #

    I don’t think you’re English. You might write from England, but you don’t sound English. You seem not to have understood a broadside made to you earlier about your lack of grace. So you are at least as ill-educated as you are extraverted as you are dense.
    And what is one to make of your last comment? You must be very young and are used to getting a lot of (male) attention. That’s all very well, but what does your birth canal have to do with JHK’s Long Emergency, exactly?

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  981. old69 January 23, 2012 at 8:57 am #

    I was reading how JAPAN didn’t really ever have the lost decades, all is ok, it actually got rich from 1990 to 2010, it is still the superstar that it was, they got it all wrong: years of articles and studies and this and that all of a sudden are revealed for what they are, errors, we made a mistake, throw the past analysis all down the toilet, etc.: wow, just like Germany became a superstar overnight, now it is JAPAN’s turn. S o all the news was only lies, or better, all news exists only to contradict the news of the day before, go back and forth and make believe, it is all made up, or free to any interpretation you want. In a few years they will say that Greece, Italy and the USA from 2005 to 2015 weren’t in crisis mode or recession at all, it was all upside down and backwards! they were truly economic superstars, were the most advanced and successful societies ever, and so forth, change the statistics, change the interpretation, change the numbers (or better measure numbers you didn’t measure before or “forgot” to measure as in statistics) say anything, go back and forth, it is all the same, all a bunch of BS (Information is by definition BS), since there is no real objective measure of anything only Man’s puny free will and pure Subjectivity assigning whatever he wants…

  982. greyghost05 January 23, 2012 at 9:19 am #

    Jethro Tull rocks. Many of the groups from back in the 70’s had very insightful lyrics embeded. It was a time of cultural change with a clear focus on the epic struggle of resource depletion and industrial pollution killing us or the always just over the hill WW 3 with the Russian’s and the Chinese. I’ve seen Tull bucu times. Great music. Too bad not enough of our generation listened to the message in the music. We wouldn’t have the mess we have today. Check out the Youngbloods song Get Together for a trip back. My generation dropped the ball ! And for that we will pay.

  983. 8man January 23, 2012 at 9:20 am #

    Well, then I was right all along; I framed you as soon as you opened your mouth a long time ago bitch, you are just a horny slut, whore. But do me a favor: go get some nice looking young handsome black man and get down with it (wish I could be in yours or his place, but alas, so is life…) and tell us all about, the two fagots vlad and busty will be raging with envy and jealousy… (and stop talking dirty, slut, this is palce for little children and Jesus speaks to little children)
    BEWARE OF THE MARK OF THE BEAST

  984. DeeJones January 23, 2012 at 9:20 am #

    So, Flad, yesterday I challenged you, after your sexist screed on the accomplishments of women, such as the recent solo sail voyage by a 16 year old girl around the world, to post something, anything, that you have done that you think is even close or equal to such an accomplishment.
    You come back with NADA, nothing, you couldn’t even make something up.
    You are a NOTHING, a ZERO, the worlds biggest LOOSER. You will be forgotten within 5 minutes after you die. No one will care, no one will remember, your writings will be forgotten, and even better, no one will know who really wrote them as you are such a pussy you use a pseudonym.
    You have been challenged by others to post your own blog, but you don’t even have the ball to do that.
    What a LOOSER, what a ZERO, what a big NOTHING…

  985. 8man January 23, 2012 at 9:35 am #

    About jealousy and envy: now that is an interesting feeling, situation etc. it exists only because we are using logic (no instincts or nature here, this thing is totally psychological – mental – thought process based, memory based, principle of identity and non contradiction stuff), trying to “imagine” how much better the other party has it, we are amplifying our imagination and assigning experiences and fun and better and pleasures and enjoyments and all kinds of things to some other remote chunk of matter, imagining that we “could have had that” but didn’t get it mostly because “it was our fault” (even though we want to beat up some other person to compensate when what we really want to do is beat up ourselves), “it was my fault I didn’t get what he got, etc.” and this creates a weird “guilt complex”, kind of like guilty if you succeed and get what you want (guilty towards those that didn’t couldn’t get it or whatever) and guilty if you didn’t get it (guilty towards yourself for failing, you didn’t deal extra pleasure and success to yourself or you failed your target, etc.).
    And the more you fail that “special” target (no matter what it is as it is just a configuration of bits in the brain) you get more and more angry, jealous, envious, and you amplify the importance and all of its imaginary metaphysical properties it has, the more you want it. But what exactly do you want ? Another experience, another example and version of how Matter may Undergo Experience, another example, but especially another win against another Free Will Gadget that can decide and condition you, make you become a puppy, a little puppy craving for that other Free Will to do what you ask or want or imagine or hope: and even if the other free will abides, you may never know what it really thinks, what it really feels, and it can lie to you all along, for years and decades, and everyone in your life could have lied to you all along and decieve you.
    But alas, you are simply punishing yourself since all of these targets and dependencies and conditioning have been arbitrarily chosen by your own Man Brain to punish yourself and give you a failed target, to never let you win and give you an excuse to “feel bad”.

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  986. metuselah January 23, 2012 at 9:49 am #

    Too bad not enough of our generation listened to the message in the music.
    ==
    That’s where my generation comes in. 🙂
    I would guess that I’m about half your age, but as far as wisdom to the ways of the world, I’m an old man. Same regards the many young adults of my generation. Personally, I have zero faith in the system. And that, eventually, will cause the revolution (non-violent) that your generation germinated.

  987. metuselah January 23, 2012 at 10:16 am #

    That which has been is that which will be, and that which has been done is that which will be done. So there is nothing new under the sun.
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    Archeologists in Israel have discovered that the ancient City-States of K’na’an were wholly abandoned and their temple complexes left to rot. The Israelites rejected the old system of Empire and abandoned their City Lords in favor of freedom in the hills of Judea.
    The ancient Israelites have discovered that without YOU participating in the system, there is no system.
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  991. IxNoMor January 25, 2012 at 1:10 am #

    “‘A Guaranteed Income is about a society that raises its overall quality of life by prevention of the effects of a loss of a minimum level of comfort and livability. ‘
    With +3 million people a year what does 10k x 3 million = ????”
    $30 billion – a mere pinch of sand, in the $3.8 annual trillion spending/$1.8 trillion annual deficit…
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    “Do you remember what you spent a week 22 years ago on groceries?”
    Yes, and I actually saved the receipts. Therefore, I *KNOW* food prices have only increased 100-150% over the past 20 years. Not 400-700%, like health insurance/college tuition(fees).
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  993. IxNoMor January 25, 2012 at 1:20 am #

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    Sorry, musta missed your flame the first time through, last week…
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  1004. jackieblue2u January 31, 2012 at 2:19 am #

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    don’t hate me now.
    i do have a difficult time when trying to make a point, say something clearly.
    i think i was trying to say i was tired of people blaming the U.S. for being bullies. all around the world. and causing the terrorist to be the way they are.
    more specifically talking to people who sympathize with terrorists. blaming their actions, heinous actions, on something WE did, or didn’t do.
    and i understand that you cannot reason with them.
    ha both the terrorist and the sympathizers.
    someone posted how sick it was for soldiers to pee on enemies dead bodies, ok, then what is sawing off heads of men who are alive ? and posting it on internet. no freaking comparison imo.
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    them. they will never change.
    as bad as the U.S. may be, we are still better than the rest and help out and do Good. i believe that now.
    i probably better not say who i’ve been reading.
    it’s politics not religion.
    i know about Eurabia. and it sickens me.
    muslims reproduce about 5x more than Americans.
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    europes’ population is in decline.
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    i think that if other races were in power here, well it would be far worse. latino or islam. worse and unimaginably worse.
    and it does seem to me to be where we are headed, if only by default.
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    we’ve had it too easy too long maybe.
    it’s complicated. we are outnumbered, we have no will to fight for our freedoms apparently. most don’t even believe there is a problem. and don’t want to believe it.
    this is off topic, but it is what i’ve been reading.
    it’s late i better try and sleep.
    it’s me tho.
    maybe i better read something on the lighter side, tho this author is pretty funny.
    i wrote this for a few posters who were mentioning the topic. as well as Wagelaborer who wondered is it really me ?
    the ‘bad’ me.
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  1015. jiuzhaigou February 4, 2012 at 4:49 am #

    Reluctantly left the beautiful Austrian lakeside town of Hallstatt, we hope-filled feelings toward known as Germany’s most beautiful places ?????? (this name can be really hard to pronounce) fled. The way the scenery is really beautiful feast for the eyes, often photographed village hut by the roadside parking. Distant rolling majestic mountains as a barrier, daunting. At the foot of lush pastures, in full bloom with wild flowers, they’re Youfu to.

    A beautiful Austrian village, distant mountains such as large screen

    2 Push the BB car to go in this field trail, really relax and comfortable

    3 a heaven-sent beauty of Austria

    Walk in the road

    5 roadside scenery
    the

    6

    7 flowers in full bloom roadside pasture

    8 want to play on the grass roll children

    9 passing simple small village, the GPS to the path we took

    The landscape
    of the 10 roadside

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    12

    driving on the road more and more narrow, more and more corners. In a very humble Pass, see the roadside border card, we again entered Germany. The quality of the German people really is not covered. As the road is quite narrow,
    When her husband slowed down, I shot next to the border signs, opposite to open a German car, simply parked to the side to pass. Courtesy of the German people really embarrassed. In comparison, we opened in Austria
    Cars, especially such a car in Vienna or Salzburg city, and do not know is not because our car is a German brand, if the red little changed green slow start point (husband operations manual, of course not keep up with the locals skilled) Ninety percent of the back of the car drops twice. The streets in Salzburg, but also to see the Austrian car chase after the German car kept pressed the horn. Encountered such a situation, only to remind myself to calm.

    was later discovered that the original However, if you do not take this path, you may miss a lot of rural scenery.

    13

    14

    15 and again into the German border, opposite the German car simply pull over to let us go first, especially humility

    ?????? in Germany, but the map can be seen, this part is actually like a wedge, depth Austrian hinterland, so from Salzburg go ?????? the contrary from many German cities are ever more convenient. Here referred to as Germany’s most beautiful place, indeed, before we go to Neuschwanstein Castle in Germany the peak of the Zugspitze on the road to see the scenery should be spectacular.

    16

    17

    18

    Lake finally came to the king, is indeed one of the most popular attractions in Germany, the huge parking lot, but still difficult to find empty parking spaces. But hard work pays off after a few laps around, and finally we find a These public car parks, generally there will be a lot of payment machines. Choose the right time to stop on the machine, follow the prompts to pay, you can print out a small ticket for parking fees. Small ticket on the car steering wheel in front of it. If timeout is not meeting payment may be ticketed. However, in the King Lake, our last time spent considerably more than the budget back to the parking lot when there are not many cars, and actually did not get a ticket, really lucky.

    Heard too many accolades it did not go to southern Germany before the King Lake. May be expecting too much, it could be we rush to a visit without the essence. Short, see the king lake, we could not help at the same time feeling, the lake looks, the German replica Jiuzhaigou That clear water, green, really, and Jiuzhaigou water Yipin. But do not misunderstand, the German king lake as Jiuzhaigou, absolutely not to belittle the meaning of. Jiuzhaigou,
    I think it is the most beautiful I’ve ever seen one of the natural landscape, but unfortunately developed a bit too distressed ecological damage.

    19 tourist boat had just left the pier

    , however, and Jiuzhaigou in Jiuzhaigou, or ride or walk and enjoy the lakes of the entire form different colors. King Lake, basically the mainstream of tourism visitors are cruise starting from the visitor center near the pier, or go to the red roof church, or the line to the finish, where you can also walk a period to see another lake on the Lake .

    we came to Lake Visitor Center tickets at the long queues but not the tail, also rarely seen such a hot scene in Europe. Take a look at the cruise line map, we decided to sit down at the red roof church (St.
    Empty stomachs up) Well, in ?????? also plans to go to several other places. I did not expect to buy tickets to see the time, is actually one hour after the ticket. King Lake, popular level fast to catch up Jiuzhaigou.

    lake has numerous restaurants, taking advantage of the ship’s time, eating and drinking a touches the best way to kill time, just lunch time, we will take a seat. These places in Central Europe, as if to enter the restaurant is the basic need and others with a bit of his own to find a space to sit down.
    results
    sit down for a long time, busy waiter walked up and down, is no one greeted us to our menu. Whenever we see that after a waiter, a waiter at a distance just turned around and saw us in the direction, and did her best to their attention, but they beckoned us to wait, then do not follow.

    and so on for a moment, her husband simply went to the waiter Research a long time, selected to be lunch, a effort to greet the waiter. Finally, experienced hardships, summoned a waiter to our next single.

    20 idle very boring to shoot the water duck

    then a long wait, just waiting for the beer we want. Start our freehand patted next to the lake, the flowers on the railings, but such as to leave the vessel for half an hour, finally running out of patience. We urge the
    Urging, to no avail. Had under an ultimatum, if you have not already done, we do not, because coming up do not have time to eat. Results waiter very happy to agree immediately to our lunch on the cancel, it seems simply did not do it. Experience in the lakeside restaurant is really very Is it because of the King lake depth Austria, so the locals are not German rigorous punctuality
    A virtue? But advise everyone, If you go to the King Lake, just visitors to the addition of meal points, as in roadside stalls to buy a piece of bread baked ELBOW When the lunch line, they should not think of at the scenic lakeside restaurant. eat large
    Drink. Anyway, I empty stomach on board, think we missed ELBOW grilled sandwiches you’ll regret it.

    21 we really face this landscape,

    22 roadside huts, the inn
    My Königssee, online information on a lot, I also remember clearly, is not written in detail. The boatmen on board all the way to explain, but are German, we do not know what he was saying. The middle somewhere, cruise deceleration, the boatman to come up with a trumpet, blow a few, faintly heard echo in the valley. To quickly disembark, the boatmen took the hat, and in turn through each tourist. I see someone throw a few coins to the inside, guess it is to tip. I am also looking through his wallet, unfortunately euro coins were all gone, but there are two yuan. Boatman just came up to me to put these two out to look around. He actually received. 🙂

    23 the same boat a little boy

    24 boats to go in the long valley

    25

    King of the lake water is very clear and very green. Beginning in 1909, only electric boat, a rowboat and pedal boat was allowed in the lake navigation. Thus, there is said to be Germany’s most clear lake. May be particularly clear, so do not feel the lake deep. In fact, it is the deepest 190 meters, the deepest lake in Germany.

    Emotion the nice
    of their environmental protection 26 here

    To the red roof church, we are down, walk through the grass near the church. Next to Germany’s second peak Watzmann. It is said that next to it several peaks of his wife and children, but unfortunately it did cloud cover, not clear. This peak, the original people want to follow the example of Germany’s first peak, the Zugspitze, built on the mountain cableway. Later, at the insistence of environmentalists, ?????? National Park was established, also rejected the proposal built on the mountain cableway.

    We deeply appreciate that tourism in Germany, the German environmental awareness is really quite strong, with deep admiration. Such as McDonald’s fast food shops in Germany, one-off fork are made of wood, plastic knives and forks. In addition, the German supermarket to buy plastic bottles or glass bottles, drinks, if you pay attention to see the cash register, packaging costs is a separate. Generally can be seen in supermarkets and petrol stations, retreat bottle machine. Basically, a lot of standard styles of plastic bottles, glass bottles, was originally not to buy in the supermarket, can be put into this machine refund. If the deduction of refund of the money of the bottle, mineral water in Germany is quite cheap. From Germany, we bought a lot of mineral water, finished regarded empty bottle thrown in the back seat of the following, and finally drove back to Germany, a dozen bottles, retired at the gas station back several euros, saving money and also support environmental protection . We observed, Austria, Switzerland, the supermarket there is no this retreat bottle machine.

    27 red roof church and next to the cruise ship docks

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    29

    30

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    The red roof church is the protagonist of the Königssee many postcards. My travel book, a red roof church beautiful photos, so I think the red roof church ?????? the itinerary. Although we see pictures of landscapes and travel books compared to the big gap, but the red roof church, located in Lake or beautiful.

    33

    For us, the cruise to see the King’s Lake, is the most beautiful. Disembark to walk on the grass, looking upward, take a look at the clouds in Germany’s second highest peak and then a bite to eat in the church next to the hotel (do not forget we also do not eat lunch), do not seem to know how to spend time . Then by boat to go back.

    34 huts with a special appearance

    35 Here there is a simple children’s playground

    36 lovely self-seal, run out do not forget to pay to the pig Reserve money jar

    Went to the dock to see the tourists have lined up a long queue. Did not expect this to really wait until the flowers are wilted. Such as the waited for, such as the another and so on, obviously King Lake, the boat is there are trips of a lot over the ship to the last stop, then set out return passengers on the full members of the poor us this red roof church passengers, on only waiting for the next boat with or without vacancies. Was really remorse,guangzhou international hotel, might as well spend some money to buy the last stop, at least, the return will be a lot easier. King Lake cruise, I really do not know how to plan.

    no exaggeration to say, start queuing up to buy tickets from the visitor center, we finally boarded the boat back to the pier, in the middle after a full five hours. While waiting for boarding in the red roof church, close to two hours, the afternoon return too many tourists. King of Germany’s most beautiful lake, on the cruise arrangements, there are other services I am feeling very I good impression on the German, the relative requirements also increased.

    37 tourists have been queuing outside the huts lined up in a queue, the hut is filled with people

    38 case is, etc., here take two photos! Neuschwanstein, to King Lake, tourists can also be composed of a small United Nations

    In short, the king of the lake’s green, while pleasing, but back and forth has experienced ups and downs, my impression it is slightly compromised, plus the weather is not so to force. . . I believe other tourists go to the King Lake, may have a totally different experience, the Königssee impression in their minds will be much better. A colleague of mine I’ve been to Germany after the lake was full of praise (though she may not have been to Jiuzhaigou
    🙂

    39 finally come on board, excited tears almost came out 🙂

    King Lake boat trip in five hours, disrupting our plans. After several plans to visit the place, it is an entirely cursory. Strange to say, the destination of this trip, King Lake, and did not let us think America amazing. Driving all the way to see the roadside scenery, it touches on so that we continue to praise. It seems sometimes, the most deeply moving, not the destination of the scenery, but the way the scenery. Expectations disappointed in the end. Do not expect that down everywhere is a pleasant surprise.

    40 noon came here, almost can not find parking spaces. When we come back, have a couple of cars
    However, although ?????? known as Germany’s most beautiful places, although I really like the Bavarian People’s, but have to say, the natural scenery of the Austrian Alps, or more than German beauty a bit. Band of Brothers (Band
    of
    Brothers), the protagonist said, they do not want to leave ?????? until they see Austria. Possible, we really should ?????? tour arrangements in the Austrian front.

    seen Band of Brothers, nature should be aware of the If the weather is sunny, where you can see unforgettable Alpine Mountain View. Eagle nests are not in the past, seems to only take the special bus, private car we can not open up, together with our to ?????? Gordon, the weather has been less clear, we abandoned the tour of the Eagles Nest.

    we just return, passing ?????? town. Because it was too late, the visitor center here has long been closed. Near at the platform, like a natural balcony, you can see the beautiful scenery in the valley.

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    42 evening quiet town
    the

    43 Night Watch people, with visitors about the history here

    Finally, we went of Ramsau (Ramsau). On the opposite side of a creek here, the slope of the green envelops, a simple village church. It and behind it the mountains photos often appear on the postcards of this area, especially in winter snow, is considered the most beautiful rural scenery. In fact, this area is filled with simple beauty of what Ramsau is not beautiful, I have been unable to distinguish. But the hospitality of the people here, warm, or give me a memorable impression.

    44 twilight Ramsau village church

    45 In these circumstances, suddenly I feel like in the northern

    46 quiet small village seems to sleeping
    the

    remember the no parking side of the road, my husband has been driving on, and finally opened to the end of the path of I do not know that it is a small hotel or people. We compared the guilty get off, no one would like to take note, and quickly shot two ran. The results of the upstairs balcony a lady looked at us. I was worried that people will say that indiscriminate parking did not expect the old lady pointed to the distant church, and pointed at my camera and motioned that I should go in front of the Bridge to the camera. Although we do speak the language, but the old lady’s smile is extremely warm. More articles: Austria: Hallstatt Lake Wonderland town (2011-10-12 09:40:55) Germany: to the fairy tale castle, Romantic Road (2010-10-22 08:51: 12) German ice and snow on the highest peak in the world (2010-09-25 23:34:25) Germany: mural of the Alps down the mountain town (2010-09-20 23:19:17) Car Rental traveling by car in Europe, Fun for all ( ) (2010-09-02 10:54:32) Car Rental traveling by car in Europe, Fun () (2010-09-01 10:27:16)

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    8. so when the yellow onion and garlic can be ingredients remove and set aside, not fried red pepper particular attention to black, it does not look good

    10. the rest of the oil used for fried fish it! oil 6 points on it

    11. both sides yellowish on it, you can also fry a little old point!! be careful when turning the fish, broke the fall through the

    12. then you can put a small bowl of water (not broth families) began to cook – well done restaurant oil and more oil people even cooked all the family with their own approach slightly! water was added after the most important wine + sauce, is a fishy flavor staining steps!

    13. into the fire with the previous ingredients, the soup Add a little salt, to consider the amount of oh, because soy sauce is salty, but also add sauce followed, including the fish itself and into the off taste it! kept the sauce over the fish, to ensure uniform heat!

    14. Add a tablespoon bean paste, this is my very favorite things ~ ~ home base is made of red chili paste!

    15. burn a little while, the fish cooked a long period of time are likely to damage shape!

    16. Now the fish dish, and sprinkle with green onion Leaf – do you think so yet?

    17. some soup pot too! essence ah! add a little sugar and vinegar, monosodium glutamate, tuned a bowl of water, starch, pot, the fire to boil, stir quickly, a little sticky when the pot!

    18. the last process – – pour the soup! how much juice to hold their own, less is too dry, not much flavor!

    19. get! looks good!

    bean curd approach (graphic)

    1. prepared materials: tofu, diced (medium hardness), beef mince, bean paste, salt, wine, dry crushed red pepper, garlic, ginger, pepper, water, starch, soy sauce, a little sugar.

    2. the pot and add a little vegetable oil, the fire heating, oil heat, then added to the bean paste, salt, red pepper, garlic, ginger, pepper, beef, can also be ground beef marinated with the sauce after adding together. Saute.

    3. Add the tofu cut into small pieces. Gaixiao fire, boil.

    4. until cooked tofu, change the fire, add the water, starch, sugar, alcohol, MSG, soy sauce a good tune. After the sauce evenly to be attached, turn off the heat, serve.

    5. Remove from heat, sprinkle with pepper noodles, fragrant, full of spicy Sichuan tofu and serve it!

    homemade potato cake (illustration)

    1. Wash potatoes, steaming pot on the tray (in private that the use of a pressure cooker heat is also good, and very easy to do! but , never used a pressure cooker GGMM recommended not to venture ah!)

    2. Beat the eggs, add milk, plus a small amount of salt, soft white sugar, monosodium glutamate (chicken Well even more!)

    3. steamed potatoes, peeled, crumble

    4. good milk, eggs transferred into the juice, add appropriate amount of flour, stir desperately ah!

    5. will be added over flour (amorphous) after the potatoes into the pan fried into a cake shape, do remember that low heat, otherwise it will affect the potato cake color.

    6. lovely delicious and delicate potato pie pan it!

    teach you to do Pork (full figure)

    1, wok clean, hot, the next two tablespoons of oil, put three or four tablespoons of sugar, a small fire.

    read , Duan Yu from the Song Helou Street on the smell of soy sauce, caramel pork aroma, it has been thought that brown sugar caramel is, read this article be considered resuscitation .

    preparation: a pork, cut into one cm square strips.

    2, stirring constantly with Chao Shao, the sugar dissolves, becomes reddish-brown sugar, which is also called fried candy color.

    3, to cut into the pork, fried evenly, so that the meat is coated with sugar, sleep normalized color

    4, add soy sauce, cooking wine, ginger, sugar, salt, boil and then transferred a small fire two or three minutes later. Other juice volatile or less, increase the fire sauce

    5, this is the way to do a warm-up
    winter melon balls boil (Photos)

    Material: pig meat (with a fat with lean), melon, starch, soy sauce, rice wine, spring onion, garlic, ginger, salt, chicken little.

    pig meat plus starch, soy sauce, salt, rice wine and mix well.

    add a little oil in the pot, pan, garlic, ginger until fragrant.

    add water, boil, and then pig meat a round shape into a small ball, the next into the pot. Balls like this.

    balls in the pot the way they forget photos. The heat and simmer 10 minutes, the next cut melon pieces.

    to the melon a little soft cooking time, add chicken and salt, soft melon can completely turn off the heat, the pan. Sprinkle some chopped onion, the taste is really good! We look at it!

    winter nourishing pot belly sheep (illustration)

    market today to see a very fresh lamb belly, I bought a couple of pound
    s, ready to be sheep, pot belly.

    ingredients with a water chestnut, carrot, ginger.

    first to boil hot, fry the lamb back into the dry, remove the water.

    new pot, put ginger, curd fry.

    joining the already roasted mutton, kept the fan speculation, adding a little wine, soy sauce, candy, salt, an appropriate amount of boiled 15 minutes.

    then add water chestnut and carrot stew.

    stew of lamb and a half hours to do pull pot belly, a little smell of urine smell is not

    Pickle Beef (graphic)

    Pickle hot and sour appetizer is my first choice, color and bright red, looking at all people appetizing.

    seasoned beef cut thick wire sizing, pickled strips, celery, shredded beef

    pan temperature under within the oil out

    saute Pickle silk, silk put celery stir fry

    under the beef and stir well can.

    beef, low fat, crude fiber, celery, peppers can also help burn fat, which is a weight loss food.

    sweet and sour octopus (graphic)

    Material: chilled octopus two

    ingredients : ginger, garlic, hot pepper, pepper, onion, sugar, vinegar, soy sauce and other

    1, washed cut pieces, mix a little cornstarch or flour, wok surface and deep fry golden

    2, picked up, air dry

    3, peppercorns until fragrant, pour ingredients (onions first, do not pour), pour the soy sauce, vinegar and sugar, add a little wine

    4, fried octopus into pieces, turned uniform, slightly tasty stew two minutes.

    5, add a little chicken flavored with soy sauce powder, juice, put chopped green onion, ready to pot

    Well, smell the smell of it!

    Jingwei full Braised Prawns (graphic)

    Braised Prawns are an authentic Beijing cuisine, small due to the material resources when combined with the masses of working poor Also in the well-off people on the main street, this delicious and only at the Spring Festival will be on the table to me greedy self.

    good life now, and eat them already commonplace thing, but still can not help but think of a child the father is often done Braised Prawns ……
    Ingredients: shrimp (not the bigger the better, to moderate, so tasty)

    ingredients: onions, ginger, sugar, cooking wine, salt, vinegar, broth, monosodium glutamate

    1, first to be foot shrimp net, sandbags gland wash. I bought the shrimp is not very big, looked pretty clean, too lazy to get him on the sandbags gland, huh, huh.

    2, washed with a small amount of salted shrimp look, and water control.

    onions, ginger.

    or ingredients, ultimately, different: wine, vinegar.

    3, Chao Shao hot oil till almost 50% (hand on top of oil, a slight feeling of heat), add shrimp fry until both sides stiff.

    4, Jian Hao shrimp back out back.

    5, if the time Chao Shao in some oil, then put the oil pan, put onions, ginger and stir-fry flavor; If there is no oil, the need to re-fuel.

    6, and then a little further into the Jianhao shrimp fry color red,

    7, came alive again in wine, vinegar, broth, salt, sugar , MSG, boiled and stir-fry with Weihuo about 3 minutes after the fire sauce spoon and straighten out, I poured the sauce on the shrimp, the dish can be.

    fried eggplant box (Figure)

    materials:

    one meat

    need accessories: green onion, ginger , garlic, salt, MSG, cooking wine, soy sauce, and meat mix.

    two

    flour into a paste with water, add a small amount of salt.

    three

    eggplant slices, each set of two, one side can not cut through, to maintain adhesion, a bit like clam shells.

    Preparation Process:

    the meat stuffed into the middle of two groups of eggplant, two eggplant just caught.

    cooking steps:

    First, the meat of the eggplant sandwiched ban mussels prepared flour paste to put inside, the whole wrapped in a layer of batter.

    Second, the frying pan into the hot oil.

    Third, constantly turning it over fried until both sides of the yellow.

    pan it!

    spicy fish (illustration)

    mild, mostly fragrant. Old is also not much to eat steamed mean, to buy fish, remove the meat, fish bones for the rest of the fish head soup, a fish to eat two, yes.

    a fish, cuts clean, take both sides of the meat, cut butterfly pieces, with the seasonings and marinate for 30 minutes.

    hot fried cooked.

    more than a little pot and saute the garlic oil.

    then dried chili peppers and ginger until fragrant, add a little water, soy sauce, sugar to boil.

    wrapped up fish soup, pour vinegar, hook thin gravy, sprinkle with spring onion, turning spoon pan.

    spicy, crispy, slightly sweet and sour fish will do the work!

    super easy to waffles

    do eat the mouth from the beginning, it does not take half an hour, fast and simple ~~~~~~

    ingredients: flour, 150g, 2 eggs, salt amount, the amount of water (about 300ml), oil 20g, take appropriate

    the eggs, salt , oil, water, beat together until salt dissolves, slowly add the flour mix, flour a lump on the pressure with a teaspoon, plus the final mix to take no dough. Wake up a few minutes.

    open the fire, with a flat-bottomed non-stick pan, pour a little oil, to batter down the middle to go down to the irregular spread to the surrounding batter, that batter is too thick, and in the batter add water.

    dilute fallen after the batter a very uniform to spread around, shaking pan batter quickly flow.

    look batter and shake the pan surface change color when the batter has not moved, you can turn over fried, and (best way to turn it over, the one not hot, and second, to practice Shoujin)

    turn it over, you can cover the pot, you can not cover. Well … … eat! Add cup of black coffee!

    caramelized bananas (graphic)

    material ultra-simple: banana four, flour 50g, starch 75 g, 1 egg, water, sugar, 250 grams, oil

    banana cut, the powder, eggs, plus the amount of water and mix well. Pot with a lot of oil, fried bananas would be fried to a crunchy banana smell of the surface like. I once put a few pieces, and finally all of the bananas back to a skillet, as far as possible so that all surfaces are hardened.

    pot add a little oil, add sugar, stir constantly small fire, you will see the sugar from the dolphin to gradually dissipate, and then quickly from white to beige to dark yellow and then to light brown. This time we can put into banana, stir to sleep bananas are wrapped in the ancient sugar.

    candied banana caramel, crunchy outside, soft inside waxy waxy, very good. Fly in the ointment, banana flour,
    a little outside of the package softened to do to adjust the surface after slurry formulations.

    winter tonic fried lamb (graphic)

    last night to buy a leg of lamb, what is the white goat, stewed together with skin.

    raw materials: a leg of lamb, chopped up into pieces, best known as the butcher cut a little chunk. Two potatoes, a green turnip, two carrots, scallion stalk length, butter a piece of pepper amount.

    preferably whole grain white pepper stew, I did not buy, only a pan, add pepper.

    water fishing off the leg of lamb into soup praise, add the right amount of water, add pepper to taste (can be afraid to eat pepper wrapped with gauze), pepper can be good to go In addition to the smell of mutton, the fire heating.

    lamb stew with one side, while other materials will be handled. Onions cut into sections, cut ginger chunks Crush, potatoes peeled carrot chunks.

    ginger best shot is broken, so that ginger can burn out, will be mild ginger soup to absorb, that fend off the cold and good taste.

    all materials are added to the soup praise in the fire to boil, to bubble, turn small fire burning slowly, at least 1 hour or more.

    after the pan with salt and white pepper can be discretionary, but also have parsley!

    can now drink! !

    pine nuts corn (illustration)

    success for

    necessary ingredients:
    a bowl of sweet corn, pine nuts in a small bowl, chili (small) one carrot (small) one, onion one.

    seasonings: salt and a half teaspoon.

    practice:

    1, the pepper, carrot, onion cut all the small size of corn kernels.

    2, first pine nuts over oil. This step to be more careful! ! Because Song Rente easy to paste! ! ! !

    pot oil until the oil temperature with 30% heat, put the pine nuts into the pot, to keep a small fire, eyes wide open, while stirring and as soon as look at white pine nuts a little bit color, it is necessary to quickly remove and drain. Thus, the use of residual heat, pine nuts can Zhashu become crispy up.

    I is good before the bombing of the pine nuts, so there is no process map, and this step is too tight can not attend to take photographs.

    3, the other from a pot, add base oil, while the next green onion and carrots and stir-fry, stir a small flavor, add pepper, toss, you can add sweet corn kernels stir fry, and to cooked, add a half teaspoon of salt, dish pan.

    fried corn!

    4, will be ready, pine nuts, poured into the dish, mix well, you can open eat)

    intimate Tip:

    1, pepper, carrot color here mainly as an effect, so basically you can pick a smaller one.

    2, although the dish did not add a little sugar, but sweet corn kernels and pine nuts reasons, basically sweet flavor. But cooking with salt plus the usual half or even 1 / 3, you can make this dish taste more fresh.

    3, the reason why the final mix in the pine nut dish, you can better maintain its taste spicy crispy shrimp (Photos)

    number of sea shrimp, back open side.

    main ingredient chili, pepper some ginger, garlic slices, shredded pickled pepper some onion, also sliced ??ginger foam.

    pot and pour the oil, remember to be more than usual amount of meat dishes as fried oil more than doubled it to the hot oil a large fire, into the shrimp.

    fry for a while, add dried chili and pepper, stir fry, heat oil to taste the spicy and hemp are

    a spicy flavor and hemp, add ginger and garlic pieces, Pickle, ginger foam (do not put onions first)

    Stir ginger and garlic flavor, add soy sauce, sugar amount, a little wine is about pot, add onion, stir add salt.

    a clean wok.

    old jar chicken legs (Figure)

    remember a few years ago my mother came to Shenzhen, I go home for dinner, a look was served a white sauce of chicken legs did not put Han, heart straight to himself, like the white water is boiled chicken legs, dipped spices it, he found not any seasoning can bowl, clip a bite, ah, how so tasty, my mother said with a smile, old jars of pickles with blisters, ah! It is no wonder that this delicious, I love, and my mother look at me so fond of, often do, the fridge, I love watching TV while eating, really happy days ah … … …

    practice: Wash chicken legs, open water, the pot is not more than ten minutes, using chopsticks can penetrate on it, picked up over cold water, put in the crisper, scoop water into the old jar of pickles, swamp chicken legs, by the way fishing for a few pickled pepper, celery pieces together and then cut-point bubble, in the fridge two hours before you can eat.

    Note: Do not cook chicken legs, a long time, gum out, it froze into the skin.

    oyster burned two winter (Figure)

    ingredients: mushrooms 50 g (dry), bamboo shoots 150 grams.

    accessories: 1 tablespoon oyster sauce, onion amount, 1 teaspoon soy sauce, salt, sugar, MSG, water, starch, sesame oil.

    practice:

    1. dried mushrooms wash, bubble, change the knife into 3 pieces each, soak mushrooms in water retention.

    2. bamboo shoots cut hob, boiled, remove and control of water.

    3. the oil pan, add mushrooms and bamboo shoots, onion, explosive look, add oyster sauce, soy sauce, salt, sugar, monosodium glutamate, mushrooms and a little bubble of water, a small fire to braise for 5 minutes.

    4. After the fragrant soup, water, starch hook thin gravy, Drizzle sesame oil, stir well.

    features:

    mushrooms is characterized by plain, fresh, fragrant, but some people do not like the aroma of mushrooms, but it is this Hong to bamboo shoots aftertaste. Note that with savory and sweet, we do to try it …..

    pickled loach (graphic)

    starring play!

    loach (water for two days to keep the first abdominal, water a few drops of oil). Pickle, wild salamanders, fermented glutinous rice, ginger and garlic.

    practice:

    1, pickled ginger and garlic finely chopped Sansho,

    2, 1 pot put the oil under the material saute
    3, stir-fried loach next moment

    4, pour a little hot water salamanders, wine

    5, put the fermented glutinous rice

    burning forty-five minutes after the seasoning, not long burning, loach easily broken, I would burn for a little more.

    loach fresh, pickled Sauvignon, typical of Sichuan cuisine, was said to have beauty (what is now the United States should add beauty?)

    then introduce a child or the elderly to practice, tofu milk loach

    oil heat, after a little ginger and garlic until fragrant oil under the loach fry, mixed with milk, boil, add tofu cooked. Physical fitness for children and frail elderly people.

    farm fish (illustration)

    condiments are as follows:

    scallions, ginger, garlic, parsley, Pixian, mustard, pepper, pickled, pickled ginger if you can make it more perfect, and Oh, broiled fish, especially farm-style, in the absence of more than pickled ginger to taste and the bubbles of the.

    practice:

    first
    fried fish, a lot of people afraid of this part, because it is easy to be thrown into the hot oil, so the fish stick pan, fry skin broken out, in fact, as long as the preparation well, these will not happen, the first fish to dry after washing is good about water vapor, and then use kitchen towel to drain water fish

    another pan fried fish must be washed, dried before firing the pot, turn off let cool slightly, rub the pot with the ginger and let the pot with a layer of ginger, then pour oil fired, hot oil, the fire reduced, not too large, this time down to the fish, slowly fried on it.

    other fish fried to a golden brown on both sides, you can serve.

    they going to pot another oil, the pepper, hot ginger, pickled, mustard, Pixian stir the pot, then under the soy sauce, vinegar, rice wine, sugar and adjust seasoning with water after the fish stew, the next onion, garlic.

    juice fast such as when received, under dry parsley, pot!

    a success! It looks good!

    spicy broth (Figure)

    Chongqing, the pig intestine called the broth, sounds greasy, practices, there are many, such as roast, stew , dry stir so on, which I think the number of and spicy pepper taste delicious, but also to remove the smell of the large intestine, to eat up with Ma and spicy, very tasty, eat a bowl every time ~ ~ ~

    talk about the practice By the way I approach the large intestine wash, wash it very clean!

    materials:

    1, pig intestine 500g

    2,Soldes Abercrombie Fitch, dried chilli 100g (adjust according to personal taste)

    3, pepper 20g (based on personal appropriate adjustments to taste)

    4, ginger, garlic little

    5, cooking wine, salt, soy sauce, sugar, chicken amount

    approach:

    1, will buy back the pig intestine wash;

    By the way, the large intestine washing method: buy back some of the large intestine into the flour into the pot to the (slightly more than put a little) and salt, rub back and forth a bottle of beer, until the large intestine on the dirt washed into the sink, with running water rinse the large intestine, large intestine on the flour until the clean up. Then drain the pot, into the wash of the large intestine, then add cooking wine, ginger (purpose is to remove the smell on the large intestine) Bring to a boil (the water is meant to fly), remove the large intestine;
    2, re-turn on the water pot, add ginger wine, such as pot and then put the large intestine, the colon and cut into small pieces to cook a soft cool reserve (Figure 1);

    3, dried peppers from middle cut cut in two, add pepper spare (Figure 2);

    4, the pot of oil until the oil temperature heat into the colon six, put some salt, turn the fire slowly The stir some dry moisture to dry and then drained the oil colon Sheng out of standby (Figure 3,4);

    5, the ginger and garlic pieces into the pan stir fry just out of incense, into the ready pepper and pepper, stir fry until peppers turn the fire a little color into the previously filled out after the colon continue to stir fry for a little, add cooking wine, soy sauce, sugar, chicken stir fry for a while and then continued to pepper into the dark red off Huosheng out after transfer to a plate (Fig. 5,6)!

    from pickled salted egg (Photos)

    First, choose coarse salt (fine salt will do, if not coarse salt is good)

    boiling salt water, depending on your weight of the egg determines the amount of water, until the salt is saturated so far (not soluble in water and salt) that line.

    cool place to be salt egg (duck also, the personal favorite) If you eat Fei eye (that is, out of the salted egg yolk pickled black, protein is white) can be hot salt water to lay eggs, then dip pickled fifteen days, do not flip the egg.

    this is a half months after the salty pickled eggs, take the food, the salt water can still go on to pickled eggs came alive again.

    we look at it, a lot of egg yolk oil Oh, my yellow egg yolk, egg yolk if you want to hearts in boiling salt water can add a red tea when boiled with salt, egg yolk will red, and like to eat salted’s try it!

    rice bacon roll (Photos)

    open blisters rice, more than an hour after the release of steam steam inside the pot for 15-20 minutes

    cut bacon onions, and lettuce, lettuce must maintain the integrity of

    the lettuce a little hot, hot soft

    fried bacon, add the steamed rice, plus salt raw soy sauce chicken (a little) cooking wine, stir, add onions out pan fried

    good!

    take half a slice of cooked lettuce leaves, a good amount of fried rice

    wrapped like

    steamed about 3,4 minutes

    loose soft coconut balls (graphic )

    materials:

    butter 100 grams sugar 130 grams (I only use 90 grams, enough to flavor), milk 40 g , 80 g egg yolk, milk powder and 20 grams of coconut 270 grams.

    practice:

    1, butter, powdered sugar together and stir until mixed;

    2, graded by adding egg yolk mix;

    3, graded by adding milk mix;

    4, add coconut, milk powder and mix well (my pot is relatively small, so I was graded to join).

    the marinated coconut knead small pellets group (the entire production process on a number of this step is the most accurate, and good oil good sticky yo, can only put up with, Coconut relatively loose group, using disposable gloves or plastic bags is not good to do), the row of small pellets in the baking dish into the preheated oven. 120 degrees up and down the fire (I feel a little low, the temperature of the oven may be mainly the home, so I used 140 degrees) baked to golden brown like small pellets, and I used it for 35 minutes!

    delicious yo, taste soft, full of aroma! Genuine material from the household, than before the justice and interests may be strong to eat more! The difference is obvious.

    done such a case, less than I imagined, but also eat on the days!

    mouth fragrant taste ribs (Photos)

    cola ribs

    materials: pork 600 grams, 2 cans of cola , ginger, onion, star anise, soy sauce, salt.

    practice:

    1. Wash and cut the ribs inch form, and then fly water retention;

    2. with peanut oil saute ginger (3), then add ribs stir-fried;

    3. and then cook ribs into the cooker, add a small amount of star anise and soy sauce, salt, cola;

    4. with the fire burning to the sauce like, came to power when you put a small amount of onion.

    plum garlic steamed pork ribs

    materials: pork row of 600 grams, ginger, green onion, garlic, cornstarch, Plum 5, pepper, sugar, rice wine.

    practice:

    1. Wash the ribs cut into small pieces and drain water retention;

    2. add the right amount of salt, rice wine, pepper and marinate for 15 minutes, Plum with the clutch bad, to cut a little bit, add sugar, garlic, mix, sugar, melted, into the ribs, add dry starch, then mix well;

    3. to tile plate ribs on the water to boil, put the steaming rack, and steam for 8 to 10 minutes until cooked;

    4. when the sow green oni
    on and serve, pour 1 tablespoon hot oil can.

    salt and pepper ribs

    Material: 750 g pork ribs, onion, ginger, red pepper at the end, the end of green pepper, 2 eggs, black pepper, monosodium glutamate , Hua Diao wine, salt and pepper.

    practice:

    1. the pig-shaped ribs cut into small pieces (5 cm) washed, and ribs with a cloth to dry the moisture retention;

    2. then be pickled, salt, black pepper, monosodium glutamate, Hua Diao wine, ginger marinated for 15 minutes;

    3. oil in the firing process, the main ingredient of modulation an egg batter, stirring it with a small spoon uniform;

    4. the marinated ribs evenly coated with the egg into the boiling oil in the paste, fry until golden shortening picked up on the plate;

    5. Jiaru Qie good red pepper at the end, the end of light blue, green peppers at the end and after an appropriate amount of salt and pepper saute slightly and evenly sprinkle the ribs, then this dish even do a good job.

    ? steamed pork ribs when there is no steamer available if the home bowl instead of directly into the pot watered, flooded to the high half of the bowl can be. Otherwise, when the pot when steaming to add a little water, so water Shaogan. Remember to add the boiling water, or hot and cold, bowl easy to explode.

    ? Salt and pepper pork ribs with a layer of custard outside, so the pot, the pot of sauce will thicken immediately, then stir to stop to prevent the stick pan. Juice must be received dried, when the bottom of the pot are basically oil, divided between the ribs in the ribs will pull a wire of sugar, the juice can be received almost the same. Juice will seriously affect the finished dry confiscated luster and texture.

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    disease, it is difficult to tell my pain, frequent thirst, urine, insomnia, elevated blood sugar and sometimes ketoacidosis,

    hyperosmolar coma. Bananas, apples, grapes and other fruits, can only smell the smell, can not drink a drop stick. Eat it, the doctor

    that not more than six two, my poor self-control, could not help but eat a few mouthfuls, blood sugar often wandering in the 16-20mmoI / L

    between the doctor warned me many times, do not control blood sugar, would be dangerous.

    1995 years of my old father, I do not know where I heard: PDB can cure diabetes. A grass cure disease? I half believe

    half suspect, sick trying everything, decided to try this test is 9 years. This is the most obvious effect of the grass plants have five points: to

    so thirsty symptoms, diabetes can eliminate urine odor, who obviously felt the effort to reduce the night

    between frequent urination symptoms, has a significant hypoglycemic effect.

    suffering every day I use 20-30 grams of PDB casserole, and sometimes add a little mulberry leaves, grass cup of tea. Since the turn insist on drinking

    Pennisetum water, I have more stable blood sugar control, weight, and ruddy, with abundant energy. Many people are

    said: And my two friends, because they do not note

    intended to control blood sugar, diabetes was seven or eight years, has been blind, but not the kind of pain really poor light it!

    PDB Why can cure it, I check over the medical books, medical books this description: PDB alias chicken claws, a thousand

    hammering, azure to white, is the rose family. Across the country are produced, can be eaten raw and cooked, but also for medicinal purposes.

    PDB nature, taste joys, non-toxic. Whole plant contains tannins, flavonoids containing the root, there are detoxification, Zhili

    hemostatic effect, treating women Chibai vaginal discharge and menorrhagia.

    PDB growth in the mountain, street, before flowering in the summer without digging roots, washed and dried storage backup.

    medical books on the PDB said nothing about the efficacy of treatment of diabetes, even the

    set. The practice does have the magical effect of PDB, PDB treatment of diabetes with many advantages, rich source of drugs, do not spend

    money, spend less cure serious illness, reduce the financial burden of patients, effective, and as long as not insulin-dependent diabetes,

    grass cup of tea every day, half a day to drink thermos bottle, can lower blood sugar, urine sugar, the thirst, frequent urination and other symptoms gradually lessened.

    9 years, the PDB alleviate a lot of pain for me, so that the same boat, she has to understand that all strains of grass it!

    ; PDB

    Herba Potentillae Discoloris
    ; (British) Discolor Cinquefoil Herb
    Alias: azure to white , Pulsatilla, under the leaves white, chicken fry, knot pears.

    Source: for the Rosaceae PDB Poterntilla discolor Bge. the whole plant.
    plant form: Perennial herb, 15 ~ 40cm, in addition to whole-plant growth and leaf surface sparsely pubescent or old when nearly hairless outside,

    densely white hair and mixed growth of soft hair. Root multi-branched, often spindle-shaped swelling into roots. Stems erect Su obliquus. Feather

    compound leaves, with stipules; basal leaf clusters, leaflets 3 to 9, with long-handled; stems and leaves of three leaflets, stalk short, small blade length

    round to oblong, length 1.5 ~ 6cm, width 0.6 ~ 2cm, with thick serrated edge, show sparse cymes; calyx 5

    crack, vice calyx lobes narrow; petals 5, yellow, inverted heart-shaped; stamens many; pistil majority. Achenes smooth, most,

    dense clusters at the receptacle to be cotton wool, with Calyx. Fruit 4 to 7 months.

    born in the hillside, roadside, grass. Primary production in Hebei, Beijing, Anhui.

    mining system: summer, autumn flowers before the excavation, removal of impurities, and dry.

    chemical composition: the root contains tannins, flavonoids.

    Nature: nature,Jeans True Religion, sweet, slightly bitter flavor.

    Indications: bleeding, dysentery, detoxification. For vomiting, blood in the stool, uterine bleeding, dysentery, malaria, carbuncle boil.

    PDB

    PDB (Potentilla discolor Bge), also known as chicken children, child day lotus, lake chicken, chicken feet grass,

    Rosaceae Potentilla discolor the whole plant with roots, are distributed throughout the country, the Northeast, North China and other regions have their same plant

    material Potentilla Potentilla discolor the whole plant used to do.

    root contains tannins and flavonoids, sweet, bitter, flat, with swelling of the power and cooling blood detoxification, cure dysentery, malaria,

    hemoptysis, hematemesis embolism [1].

    clinical effect of contrast a:

    Shao Changping [2] observed PDB mixture Qi Deficiency treatment efficacy in patients with type 2 diabetes, PDB together

    agent from the PDB, Astragalus, Chinese yam, Digupi, Polygonum and other drugs. Using random group therapy, the treatment group

    mixture PDB oral tablets and Mogadishu, Mogadishu control group was treated with tablets.

    treatment group 80 cases, 51 males and 29 females; the youngest 39 years old, maximum 68 years, mean 55.4 years; diabetes

    history of 1 to 5 years, 34 patients 6 to 10 years, 33 cases more than 10 years in 13 cases, the average duration of 6.4 years. Control group, 36 patients,

    19 patients, 17 females; the youngest 38 years old, maximum 67 years, mean 54.3 years; history of diabetes 1 to 5 years 15 cases, 6 ~

    10 years in 17 cases, 4 cases of more than 10 years, an average of 6.3 years. Two groups of patients had no severe liver, kidney, heart, brain disorders and sugar

    diabetes complications, and the gender, age, severity, course, the difference was not statistically significant (P> 0.05).

    comparable. Laboratory tests: fasting blood glucose and 2h postprandial blood sugar, urine sugar quantification, total cholesterol (TC), Gan

    oil triester (TG), blood, urine, stool, liver and renal function.

    results showed that after treatment, all parameters were significantly lower before treatment, was statistically significant, P

    the control group after treatment, fasting blood glucose, postprandial blood glucose 2h, 24h urine before treatment was significantly lower than quantitative, statistically

    significance, P 0.05. PDB treatment of type 2 diabetes mixture

    Qi Deficiency disease is effective, no obvious adverse reactions.

    clinical effect of contrast two:

    Ma Ying, Wen Shaozhen [3] with the PDB for a certain function of insulin secretion, 50 patients with type 2 diabetes into

    lines were observed, compared to their blood glucose.

    treatment group of 50 patients, including 26 males and 24 females, aged 45 ~ 68 (58.0 ± 7.1) years, duration of 1.5 ~ 14

    (7.6 ± 3.6) years, body mass index (BMI)> 25 in 19 cases, including 12 cases complicated by mild hypertension, hyperlipidemia

    disease in 20 cases. FBG (11.82 ± 1.35) mmol / L. Control group of 40 patients, 18 males and 22 females, average age 46 ~

    69 (58.5 ± 7.1) years, duration of 2 ~ 15 (7.7 ± 4.1) years, BMI> 25 were 12 cases complicated by mild hypertension

    9 cases, 5 cases of hyperlipidemia. FBG (11.58 ± 1.30) mmol / L. Control group and treatment group, age composition, BMI,

    FBG, etc. There was no significant difference between the two groups were comparable. All patients were regular exercise, strict diet,

    the control group was treated with metformin therapy, the treatment group on this basis, while giving the PDB 30g / d, on behalf of the tea. 30 days

    course of treatment, evaluated after 2 courses of treatment.

    overall efficacy of the treatment group than the control group, P

    significant difference (P

    compared three clinical outcomes:
    Wang Zhenqing [4] containing PDB treatment of 105 cases of diabetes Ning diabetes, One male 55, female 50 cases;

    aged 30 to 63 years; duration of 6 to 24 years; glucose 12 ~ 26mmol / L, serum insulin levels (7.5 ± 4) mU / L; and

    fat diabetic nephropathy, 36 cases of diabetic retinopathy in 11 cases, 4 cases of diabetic foot, diabetic peripheral neuropathy

    19 cases of cerebral infarction in 3 cases, coronary heart disease in 6 cases, 10 cases of high blood cholesterol, high cholesterol in 11 cases. Every 20 days, fasting blood glucose,

    method using real sugar; cholesterol, triglycerides, using the enzymatic method; hemorheological parameters, using the enzymatic method;

    1 every 10 days qualitative urine test the next morning, the conventional method.

    71 cases were cured, 67.6%; effective in 30 cases (28.6%); effective in 2 cases, 1.9%; no

    effect in 2 cases, accounting for 1.9%. Efficiency 98.1%. Fasting blood glucose, cholesterol, triglycerides, whole blood viscosity, whole blood also

    original viscosity compared with before treatment P

    statistically significant.

    Jiang Changling [5] 37 patients with abnormal lipid metabolism in type 2 DM were treated with PDB, of which 20 males and 17 females,

    average age (60.05 ± 11.58) years, mean body mass index (BMI) 23.7 ± 2.5. Before treatment, at least disable it

    month lipid-lowering drugs, of which 32 patients were treated with metformin, sulfonylureas and acarbose therapy, 5 patients were treated pancreas

    insulin treatment. All objects better blood glucose control, fasting blood glucose ? 6.5mmol / L, postprandial 2h plasma glucose ? 10.1mmo

    l / L. With PDB 30g / d, decoction, oral morning and after meals. Medication before and 4 and 8 weeks after medication was extracted from empty

    abdominal blood for blood glucose, blood lipids, blood rheology testing. Determination of blood lipids, including triglycerides (TG), cholesterol

    alcohol (TC), low density lipoprotein (LDL-C), high density lipoprotein (HDL-C), apolipoprotein A (ApoA),

    apolipoprotein B (ApoB), rheology, including whole blood viscosity, plasma viscosity, fibrinogen, red blood cells

    hematocrit. Treatment observation period to monitor liver and kidney function. Statistical analysis were used X ± s that the groups were compared using t check.

    results of triglycerides, cholesterol, blood viscosity, plasma viscosity, fibrinogen, hematocrit, set

    lipoprotein B (ApoB) was significantly lower than before treatment. Including triglycerides, apolipoprotein B, and treatment of whole blood viscosity

    before there was significant difference (P

    difference was significant (P
    Kunming Institute of Botany, Chinese Academy of Chemistry Laboratory [6] for the first time mentioned methanol from PDB

    extract isolated six compounds were flavonoid glycosides and triterpenoids. Chen Keji and so that [7], yellow

    ketones may affect the islet B cell function, triterpenoids may affect glucose metabolism.

    recent years, many Chinese and foreign scholars from plants, the separation of a variety of pharmacologically active compounds, including

    importance of flavonoids rather than from the perspective of the role of diabetes and its complications explore the mechanism, the main as

    with the mechanism is clear free radicals, lipid peroxidation and non-enzymatic glycation damage; affect ?-cell function; for around

    cell, tissue and target organ for the use of sugar; inflammation, enhancing immune function; inhibition of aldose reductase; improve micro

    circulation. Such as quercetin [8-10], silymarin [11], hesperidin [12] in scavenging free radicals,

    correction of lipid peroxidation and fat, protein metabolism there has been reported.

    quercetin can significantly reduce the STZ diabetic rat serum total cholesterol, triglycerides, lipid peroxides

    content, while no effect on blood glucose in normal rats. Of kidney tissue lipid peroxidation (LPO) and advanced glycation end

    end products (AGEs), pentosi ? dine and lipid peroxides were significantly inhibited adduct fluorescence in urine

    significantly reduced albumin excretion, glomerular basement membrane and stromal hyperplasia were improved.

    Lijia Fu et al [10] reported that quercetin on experimental myocardial protection in diabetic rats may be related to clear

    addition to free radicals, lower cholesterol and other biological activity. QU treatment of diabetic nephropathy in the mechanism that,

    silymarin diabetic rats by inhibiting the aorta and kidney tissue non-enzymatic glycation and oxidation, and thus control of diabetes

    chronic vascular complications and diabetic nephropathy. Hesperidin in the inhibition of protease glycosylation, prevention of diabetes complications side

    surface has a similar role with aminoguanidine. Currently, flavonoids pharmacological effects of anti-diabetes and its complications

    study, the majority of animal testing, clinical trials reported only a small part.

    recent years, scholars of natural medicine and traditional Chinese medicine research very seriously. Flavonoids drug source

    development, extraction of new active ingredients and pharmacological efficacy, so that clinical applications has been extended, and its mechanism of action

    pharmacological research is still the focus of future research. Potentilla discolor flavonoids toxic side effects, not only down

    low blood sugar, heat and detoxification can improve immune function, prevention of DM complications, and its price

    grid low, great value for development. With modern technology, the rapid development of medical science, it is necessary to do more in-depth research,

    explore its mechanism, its application for the clinical treatment of diabetes and its complications and the development of new drugs to provide management

    on the basis.

    References
    1 Jiangsu New Medical College.

    .

    ; Traditional Chinese Medicine, 2001,20 (10) :588-589.
    3 Ma Ying , Wen Shaozhen.

    observation.

    ; Chinese herbal medicine, 2002,3 ??(7): 644.
    4 Wang Zhenqing.

    ; Henan Traditional Chinese Medicine, 2001,21 (5) :33-34.
    5 Jiangchang Ling, Hu Xiaochen , Zhao Xiaogang.

    rheology of the impact.

    ; Chinese Journal of Medical Informatics, 2002,9 (8): 41.
    6 Zhong Haijun .

  1045. desg120e3 February 17, 2012 at 2:25 am #

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    At least one of the strategies to preserve fertility in these women looks to be a failure, however. Researchers led by Dr. Pamela Munster at UC San Francisco conducted a study of premenopausal women undergoing chemotherapy. Half of the women received a gonadotropin-releasing hormone analog called triptorelin,chaussures nike, which some previous studies have suggested may protect the ovaries and preserve fertility. The other half of the women did not receive triptorelin.

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  1048. desg120e3 February 17, 2012 at 1:02 pm #

    The U.S. Preventive Services Task Force is set to recommend that middle-aged men skip routine screening for prostate cancer, according to reports circulating Thursday. The task force, which sets disease prevention policies for the federal government, is scheduled to issue its new recommendations Tuesday,gucci outlet, according to the Santa Monica-based Prostate Cancer Foundation. But the New York Times and a weekly newsletter known as the Cancer Letter reported Thursday that the task force would change its position on the widely used PSA test to recommend that men under age 75 forgo it. The chairwoman of the task force, Dr. Virginia Moyer of Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, could not be reached for comment Thursday.

  1049. desg206f9 February 17, 2012 at 3:29 pm #

    The market for hot tubs isn’t the only one suffering.

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    “Luxury markets tend to be a harbinger for the broader economy,” said Kennison, who specializes in the similarly slumping market for recreational vehicles. “We go into the recession much before the overall economy. The boat market, the motorcycle market, pool tables, spas, RVs — all of these luxury markets are impacted the same.”

    Another problem is that when it comes to hot tubs, consumers don’t really think about the brand, said Wood of SpaRetailer magazine. So the Coleman name won’t necessarily spur any sales, he said.

    “We ask consumers all the time, ‘What brand do you buy?’ ” he said. “Almost 62% of people don’t even know what brand of spa they own. There is virtually no brand recognition in the hot tub industry.”

    Coleman has had hot tub licensing agreements in the past, with only moderate success, Wood said.

    The backyard and camping company has not had a spa on the market in three years — and its last licensee went out of business before a single tub could be made, said Jason McClintock, Coleman’s senior director of product and licensing.

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    Hayley Wolff, an analyst who covers Jarden for Rochdale Securities, said the LMS deal is part of a broader strategy by Jarden and Coleman to set up licensing arrangements with manufacturers and distributors. The company hopes to bring in $50 million a year from licensing deals.

    “Licensing, if done right, is a great way to increase brand visibility,” Wolff said. “You get someone to build a product with your name on it. It’s almost all profit, and there’s very little expenses.”

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  1050. desg206f9 February 17, 2012 at 3:35 pm #

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  1051. h7m1s7g1 February 17, 2012 at 4:20 pm #

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  1054. desg120e3 February 18, 2012 at 12:18 am #

    Alzheimer’s disease doesn’t seem like a great subject for a page-turner. Affecting 10% of us over 65 and 50% older than 85, it inspires dread in the culture. And yet a page-turner is exactly what Alice LaPlante has crafted with “Turn of Mind,” a novel told from the point of view of a woman with dementia. LaPlante manages to take hold of the aforementioned dread and modulate it, creating a startling range and texture of fear. From agonizing,sito louis vuitton, slow-motion-car-crash moments to the ironic frissons of a good horror movie, she hits every bell.

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    Even as her mind deteriorates, Jennifer is able to look back and savor these experiences, often far more vividly than she can recall what she was doing that morning. At first this capacity, combined with her natural wit and pleasure in her own company, allows Jennifer to keep her spirits up ?? and her personality intact ?? even when she can’t recognize her friends, her caregiver Magdalena, or her children. She makes a David Letterman-style list of “Top 10 Signs You Have Alzheimer’s”: “7. Strangers are suddenly very affectionate…. 3. Girl Scouts force you to come over and decorate flower pots with them….”

    Her doctor’s taste in art presents a fresh affront to her sensibilities with every appointment.

    “I was looking through my notebook this morning,” she muses, “and apparently on some days I still have my parents with me. Magdalena has recorded some long talks I have with them. I don’t remember any of this, of course. But I like the idea very much.”

    Jennifer’s smarts also allow her to capture the experience of the disease with uncanny acuity.

    As Jennifer deteriorates, though, the amusing or thought-provoking moments give way to an atmosphere of constant fear ?? fear for Jennifer, and sometimes fear of her. It emerges that her longtime best friend and neighbor Amanda has been murdered and the fingers removed from one of her hands. The grisly, apparently pointless operation happened to be Jennifer’s surgical specialty. Periodic visits from the police punctuate Jennifer’s accelerating decline. As she becomes increasingly childlike, they become more brutal in their questioning. The answer to the mystery seems to be locked away in one of the shutdown parts of Jennifer’s mind, out of her reach and the reader’s.

  1055. desg120e3 February 18, 2012 at 12:23 am #

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    The question of what’s best for mom and/or dad is one that bedevils many children with aging parents, says Dr. David Reuben, chief of the geriatrics division in UCLA’s Department of Medicine. “One of the things older people want most is to stay in their own homes. But there’s always a tension between autonomy and safety. Children may want to err on the side of safety, but parents may want to err on the side of autonomy.”

    Of course, the time may come when physical or cognitive limitations make independent living impossible. But until then, there are steps you can take to make your parents’ home safer, their lives in it easier — and your concerns about them a little less daunting.

    To make a home more elder-friendly, a safety assessment is a good place to start, says Myra Hyatt, a specialist clinical social worker at the Landon Center on Aging at the University of Kansas Medical Center in Kansas City. That means having an occupational therapist inspect your parents’ home for safety concerns and suggest ways to deal with them. These are some of the main issues that often come up in such assessments.

    Stuff happens, so be prepared. If they have a personal emergency response system, your parents can call for help, 24/7, with only a push of a button. Newer systems can detect when a person has fallen down, so even if they’re too injured to push the button, the system will automatically alert an operator, Hyatt says.

    Being prepared can prevent stuff from happening. An emergency response system is a very fine thing, but in the long run it’s more important to create an environment where such a system is needed as rarely as possible, says Linda Ercoli, director of geriatric psychology at UCLA. “If you fall and break your hip, you might be able to push a button and get help, but the fact remains that you’ll have broken your hip.”

    Indeed, your parents’ home may be booby-trapped with all sorts of falls waiting to happen — including slippery showers or tubs (add grab bars), slide-prone throw rugs (get rid of them or tape them down) and fate-tempting steps and stairs (consider installing ramps or even chairlifts). Poor lighting is another open invitation for your parents to take a tumble or bang their heads or stub their toes. With brighter, better-positioned lights,sito louis vuitton, you’ll be sure they can see what they’re doing and where they’re going.

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    Life-simplifying devices. Clothing that fastens with Velcro — instead of buttons or zippers — can make a welcome difference for fingers stiff with arthritis. And for backs no longer terribly keen on bending, an extra-long shoehorn can be a real blessing. Speaking of recalcitrant backs, a handy-dandy reacher/grabber allows for bend-free retrieval of items that fall on the floor as well as stretch-free retrieval of objects from high shelves.

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