What Gives


     The awesome exertions of the global banking system to evade the mandates of reality finally yield in a sickening slippage to epochal unwind. What a bad idea: to try to juke nature itself. In case you weren't paying attention over the weekend - and who really wants to? - the cosmic Brinks truck of free money went over a cliff, and the darn thing will keep free-falling until (at least) the American markets open again on Tuesday.
    So, everybody and his uncle over in Europe got a sovereign debt downgrade and now the math changes for all the pretend bail-outs and back-stops that had been so exquisitely rigged through the long, nauseating autumn. Math is an annoying representation of reality, but hard to argue with. Bail-outs and back-stops finally became unaffordable even as poetic constructs.
     Thus, we also approach the dreaded inflection point for the credit default swaps. Nobody believes that this Mount Everest of jive bond "insurance" can actually pay out, since the first instance of any attempt will bankrupt everybody. And yet there are the holders of all that paper who will object to, say, an 80 percent haircut on their Greek (and other) bonds. Surely some of them will try to invoke their CDS contracts. What then? Three possibilities that I see: 1) all parties and counter-parties go down the drain faster than you can say Benedict Cumberbatch; 2) all parties declare in unison that CDS were a prank that should now just be ignored, as if the cast of Downton Abbey showed up naked at the dinner table; and 3) every sort of loan on God's Green Earth is instantly re-priced and the entire world turns into a flea market. How will America do with its stock of slightly pre-owned Dunkin' Donuts stores, a million-odd Elvis lunch-boxes, and all those old videos of Friends? Don't you wish you'd invested in some hand tools?
     In the background of these grave machinations lurks the tragedy of Iran. Subtract the Islamic maniacs who seized the levers of government there thirty-three years ago, and you'd actually find a perfectly modern society, complete with industries, skyscrapers, highways, TV  shows, and people eating nice food in restaurants. One can understand why the last Shah was hated and resented. But here you now have a whole class of despotic maniacs much worse than the Shah ever was and they cannot be gotten rid of. Worse, they are devoted to exacting vengeance on the USA and its kindred western nations.
     This may be just a tragic case of collective psychological scripting, but it is tending in the direction of a full-dress play-out. Our government believes that their government is determined to build an atomic bomb. Iran's government says, over and over, "...what an idea...!" The trouble is, our guys don't buy their vaudeville act. They will not be allowed to have a bomb, and that's all there is to it. We are doing everything short of all-out war to prevent it, but let's face it, a lot of these things could be construed as acts of war: Stuxnet attacks... blowing up nuclear scientists in their cars. These things are making already-crazy people even crazier, and more reckless.
     If events continue down this path then there will be some action in the Persian Gulf. The oil markets will be thrown into disarray. Iran may sink a US naval vessel or two, but we know about their sunburn missiles and we won't put the whole fleet in harm's way, and before too long we will fuck them up very badly. The Iranians are capable of busting up a lot stuff in their neighborhood even as their air force is vaporized and their electric grid goes down. They could launch missiles into the Saudi Arabian oil terminals, for instance. Surely they will try to rain hell down on Israel. That would be a recipe for turning Teheran into an ashtray and a terrible tragedy for those otherwise normal Iranians who are not religious maniacs who wanted nothing more than to raise their children and once in a while go out for a nice lamb dinner.
      I don't see any percentage in China and Russia coming into this rumble, though more than a couple of European nations may want to forget their troubles for a moment and, at least, cheerlead from the sidelines.
     The result of all this - if the action doesn't get totally out-of-hand - is sure to be a gigantic step down in worldwide energy consumption, trade, and advanced economic activity. It would make the Great Depression look like a sit-com. The American suburban nexus would fail in a matter of weeks. The USA would have to commence the greatest work-around the world has ever seen. In the event, governments everywhere are liable to fall, even here, with elections postponed. There will be little in the way of real money to repair all the things that are falling apart. 
      Most amazing of all is how quiet the world scene has been, really, since 2001. The buildup of tensions must be out-of-this world. Something had to give.

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The corporate State is becoming ever tighter as a noose around our necks James. Something must give, and soon. kulturCritic

http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/corps-etat-the-corporate-state/

We are facing the inevitable -- a collapse of the modern world -- yet continue to distract ourselves day in and day out with worthless ideas and futile pastimes.

Visit the Leibowitz Society at http://leibowitzsociety.blogspot.com/2012/01/distractions.html for discussion on our continuing collapse, as well as a way forward once the dust has settled.

The Endarkenment of America continues.
Get out while you can: http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2012/01/13/regarding-vipr-teams/

The inevitability of war.

Thanks as always for your fine analysis of all tings that are peaking. And there are so many to count it couldn't all fit on this blog..

I believe that Russian and China have made statements that they will consider our attack on Iran to be an attack on them. We are playing a maneuver to curtail China's ability to get more oil, but of course we want them to do all our manufacturing at slave labor rates---(so what gives?)

Dylan Ratigan in discussing the giant ($1.4 quad. in the value of nothing, has said we should impose a Marshall plan on the debt we know will never be paid off instead of starting a world war to wipe it out. Yes why go through the disasters and carnage when you can just excuse the debt and wipe it clean since it' all over the world?

Well, ya know the banks won't tolerate it. They can bet with no money backing the bets and everyone else has to pay, of course. That's the free market the Republicans tout is so wonderful--so uniquely American, don't you see.

'Nature itself'? Last I heard, Jim Nature was unequivocally female. I guess unfolding time, influenced heavily the the behavior of 'the boyz' will show whether or not Nature is A cruel Mother, a harsh mistress, or simply a bitch! Best not to mess with her, right?

"Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"

Doug Casey has some parallel commentary about the money thing at http://lewrockwell.com/casey/casey104.html

I dunno. Like many of us who go along with a lot of the views of Kunstler and Casey, we comment to others and get some variant of "Who is John Galt?" and a shrug. After all, the Patriots won, as did some others--and the Super Bowl is on the horizon. Nascar starts in February, although testing is underway. And Oprah is just really, really important.

Speaking of Europe, in a story out of the UK: “Children 'dumped in streets by Greek parents who can't afford to look after them any more'”

"Children are being abandoned on Greece's streets by their poverty-stricken families who cannot afford to look after them any more. Youngsters are being dumped by their parents who are struggling to make ends meet in what is fast becoming the most tragic human consequence of the Euro crisis."

Think it can’t or won’t happen here, if things get tough enough? I wouldn’t bet on it. Already the US Census Bureau reports the highest percentage of multi-generation families living together since the 1950s.

Another sobering note from the same Greek story: "Further evidence of Greeks feeling the pinch of austerity measures is the lack of aspirin and other medicines now available in the country. Pharmacists are struggling to stock their shelves as the Greek government, which sets the prices for drugs, keeps them artificially low. This means that firms are turning to sell the drugs outside of the country for a higher price - leading to stock depletion for Greeks."

Common drugs like aspirin going to the highest bidder, which no longer includes Greece. Where this will end is not a place we will enjoy ending up. Already too many drugs in America are in short supply, because the multi-national pharmaceutical companies pursue a policy of taking care of their richest clients first.

As for the Middle East, one can only be sourly amused at the thought of Mr. O-BOMB-a telling the Israelis not to start a war with Iran; apparently he is reserving that honor for himself.

If we left Iran alone, I strongly suspect they would leave everyone else alone. They certainly don't have a history of aggression over the last few centuries unlike Israel or the US. But Isreal and our 1% want Iran put down, so they will sic the great big dumb dog, the 99%, on to Iran. When history looks back on this timeframe, I suspect we are going to be judged as the predators.

...if by 2001 you mean january 20th, when jeb elected his brother...of course to me that was only a visible symptom of an empire birthed in november, '63...love the symbolism, though- i wonder when the world at large (meaning those outside of alternative media streams) will realize that our entire governmental apparati around the planet are running to the naked orgy over at goldman's?

The reason no one is currently afraid of the United States is because they haven't yet gone nuclear over this crap in the middle east. Iran could easily be crushed in short order, and will, if they push their luck. Once they have been crushed like insects the Pakis will sit up and take notice. Nonetheless, just because the west is still militarily ascendant doesn't excuse the grabasstic economics which have held sway since the deregulation mania kicked off by Ronnie Rayguns back in the 'eighties. No matter how many medieval towelheads' asses we kick our economic system still doesn't work, at least not while the robber barons are permitted to persist in their economic treason. And when are we going to wake up and stop fighting over the very thing which is cooking the entire planet, namely fossil fuels? Once we've all been forced to relocate underground shielded against the ruined environment inside of vast geodesic domes it won't matter much who the reigning bully boy on the block is because by then we'll all be losers with nothing much to fight over any more. Fans of the paranormal should be aware that the Scientific Remote Viewers at Fort Meade, MD foresaw [while astrally projecting] that in the near future the entire human race would be forced to abandon the planets' surface owing to massive environmental degradation. Bibliography: "Psychic Warrior" by Moore.

Senor Kunstler,
You sez:

" The awesome exertions of the global banking system to evade the mandates of reality finally yield in a sickening slippage to epochal unwind. What a bad idea: to try to juke nature itself. In case you weren't paying attention over the weekend - and who really wants to? - the cosmic Brinks truck of free money went over a cliff, and the darn thing will keep free-falling until (at least) the American markets open again on Tuesday."

Now I (for one) will be fascinated to see how this is going to be "spun" tomorrow!
There's a lota 'splainin' to do, and we'll probably see at least six different 'splainations from at least as many "respected" analysts (emphasis on the *anal*).

Interesting you mention Downtown Abbey, an era of great change. The change I noticed was a period of transition to the auto. Little did they know.

Correction: the author of "Psychic Warrior" is David Morehouse, who has also written other books on the same subject of remote viewing.

"I believe that Russian and China have made statements that they will consider our attack on Iran to be an attack on them. We are playing a maneuver to curtail China's ability to get more oil, but of course we want them to do all our manufacturing at slave labor rates---(so what gives?)" -LB

I'll tell you 'what gives' (but you already know):
A concentrated dose of bullshittery and hubris, known as the "sumpthin' fer nuthin'" mentality!
See, we should be rewarded for snookering others into working for practically nothing, it's the new 'Murkin way of bid'niz. Plus, that sacred dollar is what all the black gold is denominated in. 'What gives' there? (That would be a rhetorical question, of course. ;o)

You are a card... World collapse is due within minutes but

  'My books are available at all the usual places'

It says something for the free market spirit! I'm off to buy a hand tool rather than a book on collapse

Ahem.... Naval. From the guy stumped on secede.

I think the USA will back off from any serious naval action in the straight. The reason is this. Iran can make good on its threats to close the straight by taking out aircraft carriers with "swarm" techniques. Launch a thousand boats, each with a missile or 5 that can blow a hole in the hull of a carrier and at least one will get through. Possibly more. You lose both the carrier and the perception of invulnerability.

Given that neither Russia nor China will stand idly by if we try and use nukes as an alternative, we're left with... not much. Ground troops, and another long, politically untenable middle east war.

This will wind down over the next few months. RealPolitik ensures this outcome.

"US navel vessel"

Hmmm...The USS Bellybutton goes down in a flurry of anti-shipping missiles painted up with Islamic slogans.

JHK is in high-gloom mode with this one. I don't buy into the likelihood of a collapse of the Cheese-Doodle Axis of Fatness "in a matter of weeks" but the damned thing IS doomed. We'll see a slo-mo unraveling with some sharp shocks...the 70s with no fake cowboy at the end to proclaim "morning in America" yet again.

The market for oil is tight, so unless an economic collapse suppresses demand again, it will take but one spark somewhere in the Gulf to light the Big Fire.

James,
If we intone the name of Benedict Cumberbatch into a mirror in solemn monotone on the night of a full moon by candlelight (said candles rendered from human tallow), will the worldwide CDS edifice explode in tatters of trillions of broken promises?

(If so, I might just try it, but acquiring those candles could prove nigh impossible.)

On the subject of Iran, I mostly agree with Paul Craig Roberts over at Counterpunch.org.

Jim

Yes the world is kinda quiet, just waiting, I suspect for the shindig to really start. When that happens, then of course all bets are off. The Strait of Hormuz is the Ace up the Iranian sleeve. They can cause serious world disruptions should they be sufficiently terrified. They are surrounded on all sides by menacing forces. Is it any wonder they have turned to fanatics to lead them through this frightening situation? Never scare a little man, he will probably kill you if he can. Iran is being left with very few options, the old "how to prove a negative" thing, they have over and over been inspected for nuke bombs with no evidence being turned up. But some obsessive world leaders just don't like that answer.

The disintegration of the world financial system demands a solution. A solution favorable to the banks. So forgiveness of debts is off the table, these financial criminals would rather ignite WW III for fun and profit than give up one penny of their precious money. So the perilous game of chicken continues while the world cowers in terror.

The Ides of March await. Stock up on beer and cheeze doodles. By the way have you heard? Twinkies will soon be a thing of the past, Hostess is bankcrupt, well good riddance is all I can say.
loveday

Excellent commentary, Jim.

I suspect a slight link between our actions in the MENA (Middle East/North Africa) Region over the last decade might just have something to do with the fact that there was one thing all of the countries involved shared: government-owned central banks and no membership in the Bank of International Settlements (as well as some relation to oil, but just bare with me on this argument). I'm specifically talking about: Iraq, Iran, Libya, and Syria (and you could put Afghanistan in there as well, but they're insignificant other than strategic location, in my opinion).

In fact, back in April 2011, well before their uprising was even remotely close to toppling the entrenched Ghaddafi regime, the rebel leaders in Benghazi announced they had created their own Central Bank. And they were immediately assisted by the Europeans, with France and the UK at the lead... Coincidence? Perhaps.

Given the fact that Iran currently has a government-owned central bank, which issues currency to the Iranian people with no debt attached, as well as their history with Israel, it almost seems inevitable to me that there will be a black swan/staged (depending on your opinion) event, which will suck American/European countries into some sort of hot-war with Iran. Of course, nobody in the MSM seems to care about the fact that we have positioned tens of thousands of more troops into the region recently (Israel, Kuwait, Western Afghanistan, at sea in the Persian Gulf and Indian Ocean).

Just like JFK had advisors urging for more troops and action in Vietnam and Cuba, our own president is surrounded by like-minded folks when it comes to the Persian Gulf Region, as well as a main-stream media which would love to boost their ratings with stuff other than economic catastrophes underway in our own backyard.

Maybe we can avoid a full-blown intervention, but I'm pretty skeptical about that, given our past and present...

Best of luck to us all,
Torin
The Rocky Mountain Pilgrim

While we're on the subject of America's greatest export:
Check out a very good essay on the matter of war on Paul Craig Robert's site:

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/

Yup Paul Craig Roberts rocks! He always provides valuable insight in his essays on current events. I see he has established his own web page. Check it out gang!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlBadkb-xqw

Garbage Warrior

Watched that with some environmental folks over the weekend and got some hope back...

Started to stir things up a bit on the internets like I've never done before... Makes me nervous but also feeling alive.

Cheers Clusterfuckers!

PUSH ON. DO GOOD. KEEP SMILING.

Thanks for the link... another good 'un.

you might as well just call them niggers or rednecks, equally denigrating labels...the thing is, marc, de-humanizing a group of people is the first step towards genocide and concentration camps, as evidenced in a certain german country; i m sure you ve heard of the nazis? just because neither one of us agrees with someone s ideology (or what we know of it) does not give us the right to take away their rights to do the same thing anyone anywhere is trying to do; namely persue life on earth...it is the robber barons who promote the division of classes (...insects, ...towelheads) in order TO DISTRACT YOU from the real division we are all laboring under, and for (in the sense of to their gain; not to promote in favor of), that is the status quo of an elite system of rape and rule...surely you realize that dna does not manifest itself differently in 'other' forms of life? that fundamentally, we are related to crickets, dogs, trees, and EACH OTHER...? that as long as you allow yourself to think of people as less than or as "other", then you are literally playing a part in the destruction of all life on Earth, at the cost of your own humanity...?! please don t take this as a personal attack; i m only trying to help you see the puppet strings that are attached to your shoulders: think for yourself and you will no longer be a marionette...

I will be watching that. It's in full length on youtube and also Netflix has it snail mail. This is why I come to this site; thanks.

Howdy DR, Per your comment clip "Doug Casey has some parallel commentary about the money thing".

Interestingly, Doug Casey is of the opinion that the federal government is the root of all that is wrong in the usa not the banksters, coporations and the military industrial complex. Who the fuck does he think owns the government; the poor and what is left of the middle class?

SNAFU

desertrat, at the end of doug casey's post he says there is nothing that can be done.

So what can you do about it? Well, actually, there is nothing you can do about it.

So, why criticize people who choose to watch the SuperBowl, or go to a NASCAR race, or listen to Oprah? After all, according to Casey nothing can be done about peak oil, the end of the middle class, etc. anyway.

And why do you go after Oprah? She was probably born with less wealth and privilege than desertrat, and she has millions of people listening to her.

Do you even know Oprah's positions on peak oil, credit default swaps, and human freedom? Seems like you would want her to be able to speak out, unless you criticize her out of jealousy, ignorance, or racism.

P.S. I also note that Casey is posting from South America. At least I give him credit for recognizing the Global South is where to be.

Since no one else has mentioned it yet, Happy MLK Day to you all!

Iran certainly makes for a more serious looking threat to oil supplies than the "five pounds of plastic explosives and a camel" that you said would be all that was needed to damage an oil pipeline in "End of Suburbia." Because of that, people are beginning to take that threat a little more seriously now.

Over at Crazy Eddie's Motie News, I didn't blog about the situation involving Iran this past week except for the clip from Real Time showing David Frum fulminating about Iran that I included in my most recent post about the Republican primary. It seems that the latest brouhaha over Newt Gingrich's attack ad against Romney has exposed something that I figured out during the past few years--the Republican Party has no respect for its own ideas other than a vehicle for more power. If their own ideas get adopted by someone else, instead of praising them for doing the right thing, they'll immediately attack their own formerly cherished notions. In that case, Romney and Gingrich, two notorious flip-floppers, make for perfect modern Republicans.

I also blogged about the North American Auto Show, and how the current perceived success of the auto industry is attracting politicians who want to bask in its glory. Of course, that will all change very quickly if the Straits of Hormuz are closed.

Oh, I also mentioned the bankruptcy of Hostess Cakes. The loss of Twinkies would be almost as tragic as the loss of cheese doodles.

Happy Motoring--for now--from Detroit!

http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

loveandlight, PCR says Israel wants to

seize all of Palestine and the water resources of southern Lebanon.
Do you think then Israel will stop its expansion?

If you've actually met a group of people and know that they're assholes then you're not prejudiced because, if you refer back to the original statement that I've actually been there, I've not pre-judged them, because I've actually met and interacted with them, and consequently know that they are assholes. The reason that they're assholes is because they are mental inhabitants of the middle ages, and have not outgrown their early religious brainwashing as most of us have. Report back after they've cut your throat and we'll see how much you like them then. Of course once they've murdered you we'll have to conduct a seance to see what you think of them, since they would have already done you in.

This is kind of like my belief that nuns are assholes. That isn't a consequence of some imagined nonsense or a prejudice without foundation. I think that nuns are assholes because I once spent nearly two years working for an order of nuns. Guess what? Most of them were assholes with perhaps one exception. This is not protestant anti-catholicism, nativism, or know-nothingism. I was raised in the only protestant church which has nuns, the Episcopal Church. I then converted to Roman Catholicism for some eighteen years. I don't think that nuns are assholes. I know that they are. If nuns are not assholes then no one is an asshole because that would mean that the term is meaningless and that it would be impossible for anyone to be an asshole. Well guess what? Nuns are assholes. Just like towelheads are assholes. And their assholism is religiously induced, which is not a coincidence. I've been to the middle east five times and have worked and interacted with them closely and no one is going to tell me that the medievalists who inhabit that region are not fucked up. For instance, as soon as our ship tied up in Jiddah back in 1990 an Arab truck driver ran down and killed our chief cook for absolutely no reason. Eventually They are going to get their comeuppance and if we don't do it the Isrealis most certainly will. Some day they will grow up and then they will no longer give a rat's ass about religion, but that day hasn't yet arrived. In any event I don't believe that we should bother with them, nor do I endorse invading and occupying their lands, but I do believe that they will deserve what they get when all their pigeons have flown home to roost, as it were. As Sir Isaac Newton said, "every action has an equal and corresponding reaction."

It is not jobs that are needed and it is not a means of exchange (money). All that is the fallacy we humans have lived with for at least the last 30,000 years but there was a time before that when exchange was not in the lexicon.

Let me start from scratch. We are born taking ... we die giving ... between times we sometime give and we sometimes take, except those moments when we are FORCED TO PAY FOR OUR NEEDS. This is all borne of the idea that if freely giving and freely taking we would only take what was needed (otherwise we would have to hoard). This is a conceptual leap that is needed for THINKING mankind to get beyond ... take that conceptual leap. It's not a new idea and was first practice to the best of my knowledge some 400 years ago when some citizens of London (decenters) decided between themselves (without leadership) they could all co-operate to make a decent life). They moved to some common ground in Henley just outside of central London and set up their community (commune) The authorities of the time saw this as a threat to the system and squashed it.

The next time it was tried was in Catalonia (around Barcelona) during the Spanish civil war. Just as it began to work and show signs of where it needed to go General Franco marched in and squashed that attempt. Now the time is ripe, with thousands out of a job in order to perform exchange, we see a movement by the 99 %ers who (co-incidentally) are leaderless)

If we were to stretch our imagination a little further, instead of attempting to create rules for more equilibrium; which is tantamount to merely re-arranging the deck chairs of the Titanic. It's the Titanic that is sinking. We could realize that those two community events I mentioned above (communes) could exist without specific leaders but with all participants putting in their 'two pennyworth' and for that commune to come to it's own idea of how to collectively survive. (co-operate). Philosophically the idea has be written about by Proudhon, Bakunin and Kropotkin, but no-one has had the deep foresight to see how this would work out. Marx thought out a plan, but planning requires dictatorship. That never works.

Should this process begin the mental capacity to see this evolve would grow exponentially; BUT sadly humankind (the only kind) has been in denial for at least 30,000 years about this means of exchange. Scrap exchange and learn to give and take ... sometimes giving... other times taking. In reality it is not that much of a mental stretch. The OWS could (I dearly hope) be the beginning of that movement. Sure the military and the police would do their utmost to prevent it until members of the military and police forces realized they were battling against their very own people ... and families.

Everyone, deep down, knows we cannot go back to what was ... that time has now passed. Give it a thought ... without an instant rejection.

Jack

Nature does have a way of asserting itself, whether in response to a 'Super-size me' lifestyle for any given individual, or for nations, collectively, that choose to ignore the precepts of sensible living. Kipling's 'The Gods of the Copybook Headings" sums that up nicely, as does Mr. Kunstler's writing here.
Kipling link: http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_copybook.htm

I could not agree more. The posturing by the US was predictable. Timing, however, is lousy as any aggression now will throw a massive wrench into the global economy sinking it faster than the Costa Concordia. Chris Martenson has a great article last week on Iran at his website.

Three Days of the Condor - Final Scene
- http://goo.gl/EtPrZ

Who knew what when how? LOL!

Sadly, in discussions with friends this weekend, we all came to the conclusion that Iran will be attacked this spring. It will make a nice distraction, even tho it probably won't turn out quite like it was 'war gamed'.

The so-called 'leaders' of the US are insane.

What a mess. Best try to get out from under it as it collapses, thus some have left the country for more tropical climes. I know, some will yell "chicken" or whatever, but they are just jealous that they didn't or couldn't move themselves.

To each their own, dudes & dudettes.

Hava good one ;)

"...our economic system still doesn't work, at least not while the robber barons are permitted to persist in their economic treason" - BBM

That's how I see it. Of course those on the "right" side of the spectrum would bellow that they are for "free markets".

Well fuck that and fuck them. I'm for results and what results have we got? A decades long economic debasement and progressive impoverishment because millions of jobs that once sustained a middle class were airlifted to slave wage crapholes soverseas. If not for the steroidal stimulation of 15 trillion in debt where would the American economy be?

JHK refers to CDS's. Imagine what was done here. Bazillion dollar bailouts of financial shitholes like AIG because they wrote contracts insuring bonds that purchasers of the insurance didn't even own (like buying insurance on your neighbor's car). So taxpayer money (or should we say magically concocted money from the Fed) got shovelled into AIG so they could pay off bets to other megabuck Wall Street outfits. And they say with a straight face that this is all legal.

It's indicative of our contagious national sociopathy when the potential genocidal extermination of another nation's people is described with such insouciance. We have already declared war on the Iranians and the 'embargo's' goals will soon begin to produce the desired results: Dead kids, dead old folks, dead sick people and healthy people becoming sick, dead women and ultimately death to male portion of their population. An ugly repeat of all those children, women and old folks we starved, sickened and disabled in Iraq - hundreds of thousands it turns out when our 'embargo' irrevocably stamped on their lives. Mr. Kunstler repeatedly refers to the 'maniacs' in charge in Iran as if that's a possible reason we're seriously considering murdering more human beings and that they're the only maniacs out there. I guess it'll have to do as there's not much else to latch onto as far as excuses go when we're talking about killing a few hundred thousand more human beings. A seemingly insignificant mote of truth: whenever our 'leadership' proclaims our latest 'victory' over our 'enemies', they always produce numbers and smiles to support their claims. Rarely do they acknowledge the fact that killing human beings is tragic, very tragic and cause for reflection and remorse. Insignificant, yet noteworthy as eventually with these monstrous 'leadership' it will apply to us, too. Mr. Kunstler rarely mentions Israel in his assessments and I think I understand why: It doesn't matter very much at this point who's behind these strategic moves to murder and destroy yet another civilization. It's proceeding under its own power right now and I would consider the possibility that we're ALL digging our own graves in regards to the situation as something to also reflect upon . The 'leadership' here in the USA have finally completed construction of the alternate reality they've spent years developing and they've successfully crossed the threshold and are behaving accordingly. The rest of us, thankfully, are not welcome to join them in their new world. Unlike other sociopaths, though, our 'leadership' continue to evolve: Sociopaths in a majority of cases understand that they cannot commit acts which would possibly destroy their own world. They wouldn't then have a stage to perform upon. I'm unable to detect any sense of urgency on their part to defuse the situation so I must conclude that the game is on and it will involve nuclear detonation. (One more article claiming how worried the United States is about Israel unilaterally attacking Iran and I'll burn my own house down) Why? Visualize a sunken American super-carrier or a few dozen large missiles landing upon Tel Aviv. The right wing zealots are correct in their observation that it will not be a drawn out conflict, but for the wrong reasons. It has little to do with the militaries of all the players involved and more to do with the shortest path to 'victory' and ultimately dominance not only in the region, but over the rest of the earth as well. Should be a good show, but I really do not enjoy being in the cast.

Well stated James! The world, as well as this country, feels like it is sitting in a pot of water slowly coming to a boil. The private equity and hedge fund predators, who bought MBSs over the last 12 months as homes began to sell off from the huge stockpile of foreclosures, short sells, and new builds, are seeing their bonds go crap. Now they want Bada Bing Bernanke to bail them out, along with the bankstas who are still sitting on self-destructing toxic mortgage debt swirling down the tiddy bowl. They are calling for a QE3 for a bailout.

No lifelines for the EU, either.

More praising in the Romney camp for income inequities. "Bailouts to the rich!! Cheer, Cheer!! Hip, Hip Hurray!! Corporate welfare for those with "skin in the Gamey Game."

Iran is a pool of quick sand wanting for someone to step into it. Israel and the US neoliberal war hawks are chewing at their bits waiting for a chance to drop the Big Bomb vaporizing the land of Persia. If one lives in Tehran, it might be time to move out to the highlands.

The US lacks strong, and convincing leadership to move the nation and the world forward. China is a terribly exploitative manufacturing state, which is dearly embraced by the corporate elite in the US. We lack total honor, and integrity in our trade policies, our diplomatic positions, our economic policies, our social policies, and more. It is all about economic housing bubbles, credit bubbles, spending bubbles, and wage inequalities.

It might be time to start buying those vegie seeds for spring planting, and picking up abandoned logs for firewood come next winter.

http://eye-on-washington.blogspot.com

Precisely Jagger! Who the F*** do we think we are to tell Iran what they can and cannot do?? None of our F***ing business! But OBoob wants to invade to protect our oil delivery infrastucture; make sure we get all that's left. Sickening.

James, James, James, there, there. Use your indoor voice. The problem with Europe will sort itself out. Probably with a moderate to almost serious recession. They will decide on either tighter monetary integration and control through the ECB or tighter political control (doubtful). The banksters will probably use a combination of quantitative easing (free money) and allow inflation to rise over German objections.

Iran is going through a dark time and it will be interesting to see if they can emerge out the other end without being more overtly attacked by bigger powers. Leon Panetta let slip the other day that Iran was no where near the development of weapons grade nuclear material. An open secret in D.C. The opinion in the scientific community is that they have a bad fuel cycle and are years away from getting it right.

The U.S. will stumble through another election cycle with one or the other 1%er being elected. Gas prices will go up and down and up. The economy will sputter along. Same old same old

Good post, Marc.

Yes, they are assholes. The worst kind of assholes. The criminally insane type of assholes. Not that the "manifest destiny" yankee imperialists type of assholes are much better.

But all these assholes serve one shit maker. And that shit maker is Rome/Vatican.


You might want to consider that Iran is run by a gang of sick fucks that talk about wiping Israel off the map. You can make a case that creating Israel was a massive imposition on an already existing Arab population or you can argue the opposite. But at the end of the day what does it matter to the beards in Iran whether or not Israel exists? What do they care?

first off, i never said i like them; i don t agree with any organized religion...not islam, catholic or any other i see arabs and nuns as victims first- while many of their actions are, without question, atrocities, what else would you expect, given what they "know" ? that s not to excuse them, but the real problem is in the programming; and is only obscufated by heaping blame and abuse on the end result...i m sorry for your cook, by the way, and can see how individual interaction and experience (rightously, i might add) color your opinion...i m prejudiced myself because of experience against any man wearing a necktie: yet another instance of a group of people doing something they re trained to do ONLY because that s what they re trained to do...look up the origin of the damned things; you might be surprised marc, i want to stress that i am not attacking you for your attitude or your experience; only trying to point out that we re all in this together, and that the symbols and labels you use to think about a group of humans can very often obscure the fact to your mind that they ARE human, and as worthy as yourself for consideration...when We, as Earthlings, can eliminate the concept of 'them' over 'there', and work together instead of killing our brothers and sisters, then, and only then, will we have peace

Hey Jim,

Here's the way I see Iran. Are they a threat? Maybe. But, what do they have, that the US does not, let me think. That's right, oil. Instead of doing the right thing, we have opted for Resource Wars. And we'll use any excuse to take their oil.

I also think this global house of cards will keep going for another decade or two. But at the same time, things will continue to fall apart. I think you call it the Long Emergency. :)

PS - the biggest threat on this planet is the US.


I think the United States' saber rattling is absolutely sickening. An economy based on McDonald's and Facebook is a sham and TPTB know it so ... war is good for business. Iran, historically, has been a rather isolationist country. Israel can protect itself. Here we go again with being the world's unelected police chief.

If Iran ACTUALLY blocks the Straits of Hormuz, well, the US would have about 20 allies join them to unblock it. It isn't just "strategic" for the USA. Until they do more than spout ugly rhetoric, they should be seen, more or less, the way we saw Kim Jong Il.

Indeed, if their government did something totally bonkers, I suspect that their long-simmering citizens would finally get major army sectors in back of them and oust the crazies running their government. Iran is a modern, civilized country and wishes to remain so.


E.

It is sickening. But the thought of being on foot or horseback permenantly is pretty sickening too. What is the solution?


Oh, no, another John Mauldin'er who claims we'll "muddle through". Never mind that in all of human history, any country with our economic internals has NEVER "muddled through". You must be one of these guys who believes in the sophisticated "financial technology" of the Fed and other Wizards of Oz.

The only thing our "sophistication" has produced is LTCM, one Keynesian failure after another from the Fed, and financial instruments like SIVs, CDOs, and other bundles which brokers cannot even explain to their customers.

We will prove that there's more MUD than MUD-DLE in our mire.


E.

They will decide on either tighter monetary integration and control through the ECB or tighter political control (doubtful) - Colorado

This "integration" is going to involve some combination of German taxpayers transfering a chunk of their money to prop up places like Italy and Greece and giving German politicians and bureaucrats veto power over govt spending in those same places.

The "intellectuals" running this Euro experiment can cook up whatever deal they want among themselves. But it is NOT going to fly with the good German townsfolk footing the bill or the Italian and Greek people in the town squares who suddenly find that the squareheads to the north are telling them what they can and can't do.

The CDS sham has already broken - CDS's pay out on credit defaults. Who calls a credit default? Why the very banks and financial institutions that created them in the first place, and that realize that if even ONE is called, it will cascade into an avalanche that will swamp the entire financial system. Investors are slowly beginning to wake up to the fact that CDSs are worthless, and the insurance that they had bought up is now worthless, and they are out a great deal of money - billions and billions, to quote the late great Carl Sagan.

However, the S&P isn't going anywhere Tuesday - it'll lose maybe 10-15 pts, before the PPT comes in and closes the door, then all the algos will kick in 3:30 EST and push the market back up to slightly above close. The game of pretend and extend (aka kick the can) will continue until the PTB inadvertantly kick the can off the cliff, at which point the game ends.

Iran also won't turn into a hot war, but it's already a cold one. The country is a hard one to crack militarily. Geography works against an invasion - it's mountainous and a guerrilla fighter's paradise. The US could in theory seize the Strait of Hormuz (and it is likely that no one would complain much), but they will lose ships (plural) and men doing so. Staging from Pakistan is not politically feasible, staging from Afghanistan even less so.

Of course, the biggest threat is financial, mostly directed at Europe. The US attacks Iran, the Russians will likely cut off natural gas to Europe, the Chinese would then proceed to flood the market with dollars, possibly by going on a massive gold and oil buying spree. This kicks the final legs out from under both the US and European markets. After that, the invasion of Taiwan begins.

One final thought - we've not had a large scale naval conflict since 1945 (the invasion of the Falklands notwithstanding). In terms of numbers of ships a conflict between the US and China in the China Sea would probably not be a major contest, but that little trick with the drone in Iranian airspace (which was apparently controlled down rather than shot down) has a lot of people in the Pentagon worried, as it should. Hard to fight an enemy that can reprogram your planes to land on their side.

It is a depressing state of affairs, Jim. In many ways, I worry more about the Iran stuff than I do the economic stuff. It would be interesting to see what happens with in the CDS world if people started trying to cash in (and I admit, I have a very limited understanding of CDS) but it seems likely that, much like 2008, governments would team up with financial institutions to do a well-enough job of sweeping it all under the rug and restoring some (imaginary, but still) semblance of stability so that the game may continue, just in a lowered state. It's also certainly possible it all spirals out of control, but all the large powers would be keen to do whatever they could to stop that from happening and I expect they would be able to put on another temporary braking and then put us in a slow slide toward the next cliff.

But a bit of chaos until those brakes could fully engage would be a near certainty. So yes, we could be in for some very interesting times.

I was reading over on Naked Capitalism about some supposed oil dark inventory which the author argued could ultimately burst the oil bubble and drop prices down to $45. I have no idea how valid the idea is, but it's interesting to wonder what the consequences of such an act would be. The idea seemed to be that it would lead to further economic chaos as all the people invested in commodities would lose their shirts. If that were to happen, I wonder if a war with Iran might start looking like a compelling way to get the oil price back up by certain people in power.

So many variables! This is why I try not to predict the future outside of, "It's generally going to get more troubled and we're all likely to become much more poor." That seems the safest bet of all. Which means, as always, that we all have much work to do, and we should probably get to it.

Joel

Rick said: "PS - the biggest threat on this planet is the US."

Martin Luther King said the USA was the biggest purveyor of violence on earth, and then they assassinated him.

Happy MLK Day!

I understand Iran's paranoia. They are completely surrounded by nuclear powers; Pakistan and India to the southeast, China to the east, Russia to the north, Israel to the west, and American submarines in the Persian Gulf to the southwest which carry nuclear weapons. Iran feels the potential for threat on all sides.

Again this is all about fossil fuels. America now controls all of the world's light sweet crude with the exception of Iran. Iran possesses the third largest supply of oil and the second largest supply of natural gas in the world. America covets this "piece of the pie" to quote Dick Cheney.

If we are trying to thwart China's gambit for Iranian Oil, remember that China makes all of our shit, and the making of "shit" (manufacturing) is vastly more energy intensive than information technology and selling pizzas.

Bubblehead. What a approp name!

"As Sir Isaac Newton said, "every action has an equal and corresponding reaction.""

You fail to notice that USA is action.

Martin Luther King said the USA was the biggest purveyor of violence on earth, and then they assassinated him. - A

Why do you live in such a place?

Well, another week goes by and Jim's Apocolyptic Prediction goes down the crapper. First it's Summer of 2011 with Street Rage, then, We're blowing up before Thanksgiving...then it gets postponed to Christmas....the next Monday doubts we make it to New Year's . . . Next Stop...Groundhog Day ..Valentine's Day - Mother's Day, Father's Day...Then the Summer of 2012 Rage...and W T F...we're going down before the election....It's getting tiresome after reading this blog for 5 years. You would think there would be some glimmer of hope that the Banksters and their puppet political elite would screw things up bad enough for the collapse to set in. I for one am amazed at how the whole thing keeps rolling along.

that little trick with the drone in Iranian airspace (which was apparently controlled down rather than shot down) has a lot of people in the Pentagon worried, as it should. Hard to fight an enemy that can reprogram your planes to land on their side.

The day the USA/Israel attack Iran ... ah, woe the day! Iran has weapons the USA does not know about and cannot defend against. The controlled landing of the drone was just a hint of what Iran is capable of.

Thankfully, Iran is not an aggressor nation. We should make friends with Iran while it is still possible.

Iranian culture and Iranian people are beautiful. They are suffering under a recently imposed theocracy, but that too shall pass.

Let's not kill any Iranians.

extremely well said.

Actually, Waddington, you're referring to a communitarian / communist impulse possibly first realized in the period of the Judges in ancient Israel, and later in Jerusalem, with the Christian community, described in Acts post-Jesus. It's been around for a while.



Meanwhile, I'm awfully surprised Kunstler is on a tear about Iran. Iran has an economy the size of Connecticut's. It's military budget is literally 1/100th of ours. And they're the big threat???? Huh?



See Juan Cole's blog for more Iranian facts.



The truth is that such threats are important, not because they're real, but because of their economic and political consequences. When the Middle East is tense, the price of oil rises.



Could our petro-oligarchy enjoy high oil prices enough to arrange for such tensions to occur? Is the Pope Catholic?



Politically, it's also important to have a fearsome enemy from which we must all be protected by Big Brother. When Reagan was prosecuting his illegal war against the Sandinistas in Nicaragua, one of the two poorest nations in the hemisphere, he described Nicaragua as a threat to the U.S.



Reagan famously asked the Mexican president to publicly endorse his assertion that Nicaragua was a threat, and the Mexican president replied that he would be happy to publicly agree with his friend, the U.S. president, if there was any way he could do so without being laughed out of office.



So that's the subtext, not that the Ayatollahs are so crazy. Incidentally, Robert Fiske reports that when the Ayatollahs came to power, they raided the safe houses of the Shah's secret police (SAVAK), and found ovens in the basement, for roasting torture victims...and stacks of severed limbs.



So do you really want to assert that the Ayatollahs are crazy? After all, the CIA overthrew the elected Iranian government and installed the Shah. Can you blame them for hating the U.S?



That coup was at the behest of the British, who were defending the interests of their Anglo Persian Oil company, threatened by Iran with nationalization. The prime minister, Mossadegh, was proposing to pay Anglo Persian the same price per BTU that the Brits were paying their coal mine owners too.



The current name of Anglo Persian: British Petroleum (BP).



Anyway, I'm guessing the communitarian / communist impulse needs a freedom from fear most of us have difficulty even imagining. Kunstler is not exactly the guy promoting fearlessness, too.

The theocracy is Iranian. It didn't come from Mars.

Kurt, surely you jest. Iran could definitely fuck us up if they just had the balls to hit the oil fields and set things in motion. They're a bunch of pussies...at least the leaders, all of this terrorism and posturing is nothing more than entertainment...and I'm not so sure that the USA isn't complicit in faking all of this sabre rattling. I mean W T F...we need something for the talking heads to do for God's sake.

Let's all get real...the Mexican drug Cartel is sitting on thousands of shoulder fired missles...anyone with some kahonas and a few Bud Lights could put us out of business.

Recommendation of an organization to support to prevent loss of civil liberties:

Center for Constitutional Rights

http://ccrjustice.org/

Support CCR, while we are still free to act.

***Twinkies will soon be a thing of the past, Hostess is bankcrupt, well good riddance is all I can say.****
loveday


I think we can all relax on this one. I read that even though that little cutie known as "Hostess" (think Laura Petrie in some tights, bulky sweater and ballerina slippers) is going bankcrupt, we'll still get our deliveries of Ho Hos, Ring Dings, and Twinkies at our local gas fill up stops. China wil be making them now.

according to metuselah, no, the pope is a cia puppet controlled by, who was it again, the jesuit/lizard alliance?

thanks...and that s just off the "tips of my thumbs", so to speak- wonder what a manifesto would look like? have to get back to you on that...!

I have an announcement to make. I have just killed Myrtle May. Tracked the tired old bitch down and shot her in the head with a 45. She never knew what hit her. So that makes 3 CFN'ers I've knocked off: Q, Myrtle, and LLB ...well, I haven't got to Lew yet...just kinda stakin him out up here in Washington.

I love Creedence Clearwater Revival! So YES, support CCR everyone!

Rhino, it came from France in the form of Khomeini. But eight years of the Iraq-Iran War extinguished some of the zeal of the Islamic revolution in Iran and led Iranians to question the capabilities of their leaders.

The Iranians want freedom and will change Iran to have freedom, if allowed to do so. Attacking Iran will not help the pro-freedom movement. An attack will rally people around the current Iranian mullahs against the Great Satan. Counterproductive.

"If we are trying to thwart China's gambit for Iranian Oil, remember that China makes all of our shit"

Not so. The U.S remains the worlds largest manufacturer.
Much of our "shit" remains home-made shit.


whew! if only them druglords don t learn how to surf, we ll be ok... oh, wait- it would seem they DO have cojones, after all (almost 50,000 dead)- we re fooked- chingada, if you will

I've just talked to my Big Foot friends. They are coming for you.

It's cause we like killing people who make trouble for the 1 percenters. Yep, that's why MLK died. JFK for that matter. We could probably come up with a list of hundreds of folks who've been bumped off just because they splash too much around in the turd-ladden punchbowl.

And who actually killed those nuclear scientists in Iran? (hint-it wasn't me.)

"Iran has weapons the USA does not know about and cannot defend against."

But you know about them? Riiiiight.

King liked White Prostitutes more than Black - and sometimes he liked to beat them. Indeed as his wife said, no one would have the slightest respect for him if they knew the truth. Why do you think his record was sealed? Why do you think Obama's is sealed? Or Michele's for that matter?

As Solzhenitsyn said, "Live not by Lies".

google "mexican drug lord monster trucks"

Yeah and look how they're slowly morphing Rosie the Riveteer into a Mestizo. It's not right. Also the Land O Lakes girl is becoming more Indian - but she was supposed to be to begin with so who can complain? I mean I suppose I could...

according to metuselah, no, the pope is a cia puppet controlled by, who was it again, the jesuit/lizard alliance?
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No, according to metuselah, the hierarchy is very simple and it goes like this:

Vatican -> Central Banks -> Corporations -> Secret Agencies (CIA/KGB/MI6/the Mob/etc) -> Government/Media -> idiots

The blue-eyed devil dogs and the jesuit blood thirsty lizardoids are just that, blue-eyed devil dogs and jesuit blood thirsty lizardoids.

So long as I can have a Twinkie in my mouth and gas in my tank, color me happy.

Anthropology teaches, Man is an Infinitely Programmable Machine. There are tribes that can't count to more than two, nay, that don't even understand the concept of numbers and quantities. I am wondering how some tribes can perceive time and its flow, they may not even understand the concept of time, after all, it is a secondary concept, a logical concept that you acquire much later in your childhood, an arbitrary concept and subdivision of your experience and the way the world is subdivided.

But even more intriguing is how the concept of memory is applied and used. Some tribes, some mental programs, some cultural programming may make it so that a tribe doesn't remember things at all or doesn't even need to remember things or invents and fakes memories to their delights. It is another arbitrary concept and mechanism, you must remember this and that and organize the memories in your mind in a certain way (sequentially, accordingly to cause and effect mechanisms, what comes first and what comes second and so on ?). Of course some memory is necessary in order to survive, but aside from those basic knowledges, I am wondering how the entire experience of life may be programmed differently, maybe a life without the need of memory, or maybe a culture that imposes you to forget or mess up any memory of anything you have ? and so on.

And this is what could be possible only slightly modifying our Man Brain with what we have, simply culturally and by simply programming it differently as is. Imagine how many other things could be possible by changing the very design of Man Brains, and ever wildy and new different designs...

But all of the above is false, what I said is not what I meant, all of the above is exactly the opposite of what I wanted to say, I don't know what I said, I don't remember saying anything, I am 100 % wrong therefore right, and I don't even understand what I am saying and so on, and so on...

TOBOR AN APE

Hi, Impaler. I knew that mentioning MLK would troll you into responding to me. Do you like being so predictable?

CORRECTION TO METUSELAH'S HIERARCHY

Vatican -> Central Banks -> Corporations -> Secret Agencies (CIA/KGB/MI6/Mossad/Mafia/etc) -> Government/Media -> useful idiots

We're all fucked at this point. And yes, we're part of the problem because we react to them rather than being proactive. We also suffer from being too religious, and have our own ayatollahs of the mostly radical protestant type. Bubblehead means "submariner", although to be fair I didn't like submarine duty and did not reenlist. I joined SUBVETs primarily so I could go to the meetings to reminisce about how miserable it all was. My favorite member of SUBVETs is a retired chief who finished up on surface craft after being kicked out of submarines. The reason I like him so much is because he has a crappy attitude. Just like me. I do believe though that the Israelis are going to clean their clock in Teheran.


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177878


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?t=175489

Whatever happened to "Progress" ?

It used to be that people looked forward towards the future for better, improved, more possibilities, all kinds of possible improvements. And in fact the word "Scientist" was held in great respect, they were the high priests planning the future, bringing forth progress and a better future. Then, somewhere down the line, all kinds of reactionary Right Wing Thugs, Environmentalists who are so totally obsessed with that huge pile of crap they call "Nature" and so completely obsessed with that other boogie man called "overpopulation", capitalists and puny small businesses - entrepreneurs, and just plain dumb folks, ignorant, craps, you name it simply decided TO KILL THE FUTURE. And plan for a new dark ages, nay, a new stone age as Kunstler's World made by Hand (better known as Ape world of Man returning to Ape condition because he was a scaredy cat of the future, what total punks all of these people be!).

No more Rockets to Mars (we need trillions of these!), No more Skyscrapers (we need trillions of these! and remember to emphasize BIG numbers, to make a point, to make a statement, to make it clear that you are talking about BIG THINGS, change you can believe in BIG TIME), No more Cheap Rents and Free Salaries (we need trillions of these for thousands of trillions of people, all of them being Scientists and Technicians and Engineers, all of them with wildly Modified brains and Minds, and Mental Contraptions), No more Pride, Ambition, Goals, Collective Goals, Unity of Intent, MIND OVER MATTER, Super Consumption (to KILL AND DEMOLISH ALL AND EVERY POSSIBLE TRACE OF NATURE!) a kind of Super Nationalism, adoration and Worship for the Symbol and Symbols, (and of each of these we need trillions of these and as Intensity goes trillions of times more intense than the puny intensity of everyday life), etc.

On this website and so, so many others there is this huge constant thread of Overpopulation, we are "Too Many", and all kinds of Racisms, We against them, etc. On overpopulation, there is nothing further from the truth, we can host thousands of trillions if the greens and tree huggers and environmentalists weren't such selfish - egotistical slobs that want to hog it all up for themselves, not even noticing how selfish - egotistical and criminal they really are, all along thinking that they are right and correct and good, etc. What morons! the whole deal of overpopulation is a subtle device the rich and capitalists imposed to get a war going between poor people, to create resource "contention" when in fact there are no resource contentions, only rich and ruling class and capitalists that have set things up by design, that have planned this war between people from the outset, but everyone keeps on buying into overpopulation, there is not enough for everyone, etc.

And if people misbehave, they will be programmed accordingly, they will have some of their neural circuits changed (by computers, not by Man as Man is not reliable, too much of a slave to impulses and his Free Will and his never ending internal contradictions, unsatisfactions, confusions) and we must decompose that entity called Free Will in people so as people no longer contrast and fight each other. They become one unit, one monolithic block of Matter Saturating the Entire Universe with the "Power of Symbol Over Matter", "Symbol Over the Laws of Physics"...

Now go little Ryan, go on little Betty, copy this all and bring it to your teacher, another A+ and GOLD star, go on San Jose Mommy, check it out, bring it to your Boss (or your husbands, or whoever supports you), you will get another raise, they will like it a lot, finally some direction in a world that has lost all possible directions.

And check out this Mental Contraption that fell from the Sun in Betty and Ryan's backyard:

QII(//WII(//WOOO///////&&GJJJHKKK/////TTELLELLL=======

Whaow, what on earth is going on in there, honey bunch ? Wowo, that is really far out, I see all kinds of Mass to Thought converters, Aggregators to disaggregators, units to independence limit machines, wow, so much to discover and play around with. Betty and Ryan are going to have a ball today!

Quo Vadis ? baby ...

Paul Craig Roberts is full of shit. The idea, so popular with him and others, that Israel through the American Jewish lobby tells America what to do is ludicrous and stupid because it is so illogical. How can a nation with 5 or 6 million Jews mostly crammed into an area the size of Massachusetts dictate to the world's most powerful country? I think that claim is a case of the tail wagging the dog. I think Israel made a devil's bargain with the US when it was very young and frightened. I think the US said to Israel, "Ok, we're gonna give you money and weapons like you want, but here's what you have to do for us....."

I know, people with weak minds will say that powerful Jews like George Soros and others control things way out of proportion to their numbers. Believing that is a slippery slope which leads to belief in an international Jewish conspiracy and further paranoid delusions, and ultimately leaves one out of touch with reality and with major dysfunction.

"But all of the above is false, what I said is not what I meant, all of the above is exactly the opposite of what I wanted to say, I don't know what I said..."

SHUT UP.

To be fair, Iranians are not Arabs, but Persians. And I must confess that I have met both Arabs and Persians that I liked. Once in Dubai, UAE, I got stinking drunk at the seaman's club with a Persian tanker sailor and thought that he was a prettty good guy. I got so messed up that I ended up on the floor underneath a table kicking people as they walked by. My shipmates found that hilarious. I ended up flying home on my own dime to take the cure at the detox ward again. Fortunately I managed to sober up finally. If they seem likeable when one is dead drunk then perhaps they're not all bad. Maybe we could learn to like them after we enslave them and they've been doing our bidding for several decades...just kidding. Also, the Arabs in Saudi Arabia liked us just so long as we continued to provide them with an endless stream of pornography. American soldiers we took there on the ship loaded their Bradley fighting vehicles with enough vodka to fill a swimming pool, something which the Saudi's remained blissfully unaware of since the military wasn't subject to customs inspections. What can I say? Saudi Arabia is a creepy place.

Thanks Deni, for perhaps the most intelligent and humane comment so far today (and thanks Rhino, for the least).

Paul Craig Roberts is full of shit.
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Paul Craig Roberts is a yankee imperialist asshole. His main lament is not about the theft, slavery, mass murder, and propaganda lies that is yankee imperialism, but that it might end sooner than he would like, due to mismanagement. The guy has racist imperialist turd written all over him.

Jews have influence disproportionate to their numbers in this country [USA] because they don't waste their school days on sports and baton twirling. What a concept! School is for learning academics and cultural enrichment, not for recreational activities that often like football, could end up making a cripple of you. By the way, wasn't it fun watching that relgious asshole Tebow get his ass handed to him by the New England Patriots?

Nice ad from American Military University at top of page. Study Anti-Terrorism etc. They really know where to place their ads!

I think it's fairly obvious that Israel has a great deal of influence over our leaders, despite the country's small size. They have Jews all over the world to do their bidding for them. Take Obama's overheard remark about how he hates to deal with Netanyahu. It is telling. Why would the (arguably) most powerful leader in the world (Obama) put up with Netanyahu for even a nanny second if Bibi didn't hold some sway over what goes on in the world theatre, and most particularly, America. Most of the industry that hasn't gone to China belongs to the Jews. Think Hollyweird entertainment/ infotainment and retail. They're smart. It's the way things work in the world.


China makes $$$ off of the U.S. because we buy their cheap shit made from slave wages. Imagine 10 year old boys and girls working 12 hour days producing Barbie dolls in this country. If Newt has his way, this will happen here, too. I think that's what the Repubs. mean when they say they want to bring jobs back here again. Pay scale could be 50 cents per assembled doll. That's big money for a 10 year old. Not so much for one who is 30.

How? Um because the Jews are Nation without Borders. Now I didn't make that up - Theodore Herzl or Chaim Weitzman did. Are they Anti-Semites?

Are you stupid or do you think we are? In other words Bill, it's not working anymore. You folks better work up some new material.

the Jews are Nation without Borders
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Because? Continue the thought. What happened to make it so?

Also they seek power. Nothing else explains how the 3% are such a big percentage of the 1%. And unlike "our" 1% they use their power for the advancement of their own people. Out 1% is amoral or under social pressure from their peers, give away vast sums to Africa while America goes down the toilet.

Thank you for admitting I'm right. You just shot Bill in the foot. I win and you two lose.

Get it? We think just like you guys. Where did we learn it? From you.

Well, those out of unemployment benefits won't be effected...

Nation without Borders? Now you are talking my language!

Vlad, why would you be opposed to Jews running things; are you not in favor of meritocracy?

If the U.S. dares fuck with Iran, it's not the Iranians to be feared, but Iran's neighbors. China, as usual, will sit things out to see who blinks first. Russia has its eyes on the prize as well. As the entire world collectively grows to hate us (as we so deserve), you may find a shit storm the likes of which neither you nor I have the capacity to imagine. I'm not sure, but I think most Muslims find the idea of our marines giving Muslim corpses golden showers isn't redeeming and doesn't endear us to them, somehow.

If we could just inject alcohol into their water supply...Beats bombing Mecca like the Neo Cons want.

People have no idea of how bizarre this influential school of Foreign Policy really is. Thus they get away with murder.

Creepy is right. Having homo sex is a crime which will get you killed in Saudi Arabia, yet the Saudi princes delight in having "dancing boys" dress up like girls in harem costumes for parties. The guests routinely orally and anally ravage these pre-pubescent "entertainers". If you don't believe me, pull it up on Youtube.

I don't feel like being a slave and seen as an animal, thank you very much.

The Chinese are a higher race and they know it. They consider the Malays as trash - and the Malays know it. A few years ago the Chinese Minority were well on their way to dominating Malaysia until the Malays started kicking Chinese heads thru the streets.

I support the Malays. And I support Whites in their own Countries. We have a right to be ruled by our own Elite - which is just as smart as East Asians or Jews. The percentage of high IQ's is lower among Whites but the highs are just as high.

Now no race could benefit more from some Eugenics than Whites - especially Northern Europeans. We produce far more retards and degenerates than the East Asians or Jews. They know this and like it. If we were to try and remake ourselves the shitstorm on our heads would be beyond belief - just one more reason to have countries of our own.

For those unfamiliar with Jm's political leanings, he was a full on supporter of the war on Iraq, admitting it was surrogate revenge. This fear mongering about Iran is pretty ugly. They are not threatening us and are far too realistic to attack Israel, even with nuclear weapons. They are surrounded by USmilitary bases. They were overthrown by the US and the ruthless fake royal Shah put in place. Those were the halycon days when some Iranian professors read Lolita while fellow Iranians were screaming in agony in the Shah's torture chambers, and we aren't talking hundreds , but tens of thousands. When they kicked out that piece of shit with the only base of solidarity they had-Islam- after they returned all the Americans safely and untortured we soon organized a mass attack by Iraq supplied with our weapons, conventional and chemical. They had the audacity to defend their borders. There are 25,000 Jewish Iranians, with a seat in parliament . They annually turn down money to move to Israel. Kuntsler is good on the economy and peak oil but is full of nasty stereotypes, surrogate war crimes and hyperbolic bullshit when it comes to politics and war in the Persian Gulf region.

You don't disagree though. You know I'm right yet continue to worship him, your unclean idol. You live by Lies.


The Kramp says:

"I have an announcement to make. I have just killed Myrtle May. Tracked the tired old bitch down and shot her in the head with a 45. She never knew what hit her. So that makes 3 CFN'ers I've knocked off: Q, Myrtle, and LLB ...well, I haven't got to Lew yet...just kinda stakin him out up here in Washington. "

I answer:

I am worried about Cash and Marlin, haven't seen them in a while either; I am wondering if the killer, the Kramp, killed them too, hmmm.....strange things happen here, this site is getting dangerous. We want pretty so as to reflect ourselves in pretty (we don't want ugly girls right ?) but why do we need to confirm ourselves through others to ourselves ?

This site attracts kind of crazy kinds....

TOBOR ATE MAN

Thank you for admitting I'm right.
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I did no such thing. Theodore Herzl or Chaim Weizmann comments were obviously made pre-1948 Israel.

Now, how about you show a little integrity and explain what happened to cause the Jews to be a nation without borders for almost 2,000 years.

According to Elaine Supkis, JHK is a Zionist. Apparently they used to be friends before she found this out about him. And now they don't speak to each other. Still, he continues to have her under the "links" section, which, if nothing else, tells something about JHK's level of tolerence.

I liked Cash and Marlin (even tho he hates queers), so I wouldn't want them killed. Q had to die because he was such an a-hole about grammar and shit. This is a blog for Christ's sake, not an English class. As for Myrtle, she deserved to die for being a worthless, petty, miserable old drug-hazed crybaby. Both Q and MM, having both been born and lived their entire lives in the era of super abundance in America, with a never-ending reign of affluence coming down on them, what use were they to CFN? I did ya'll a favor. I especially didn't like MM, as she lived the priviledged life of the upper-crust, well-educated white woman while at the same time bitching about how unfair life was to her. Talk about good riddance. If a gun hadn't killed her, I'd probably have had to purchase a spike and drive it through her miserable old heart.

"Since no one else has mentioned it yet, Happy MLK Day to you all! [....]
..from Detroit"

hmm, I'm a little puzzled here as I've seen Detroit and few other places where his "dream" came to logical conclusions. Maybe that's why no one has mentioned it?...

The trouble is that following on his advice to give everyone a fair chance may open folks' eyes to those nasty and diverse outcomes of human evolution. Some may even find a strange correlation between that and the color of the skin - and then what? Calculate the mind boggling monetary costs? Segregate schools, cities, infrastructure? Terrible thoughts...

So we better follow Jim's example and stay the heck out of that subject. Let's just talk about safe walkable communities, white Christian corn-pone wannabe dictators, and oil peak chaos. And stick it to the Vatican whenever we can. And that fat, lazy, clumsy, needy elephant in the room? The next generation can worry about it. That's the american way, after all.

I have seen the fat, lazy, clumsy, needy elephant in the room, and he is us.

"Live not by Lies".
Not even WHITE Lies???

HAPPY MLK DAY TO ALL!

And what groups are most violent in USA?
The guy accused of killing 4 homeless is the child
of [no surprise] a mexican immigrant...
Also the accused killer is a Vet who is PTSD.

Read the book "The Grandees" about the Sephardics who controlled much of the American Slave Trade out of Newport, Rhode Island.

You are such an asshole.

Which White lies deepest in the dust? How about the guy who King plagiarized: when interviewed, he said how proud he was to be plagiarized by such a great man. Great self esteem huh? Indeed how low the Builder Race has fallen. We who were about to venture out into Space, but an ape leaped up and grabed our heel and threw us into the mire.

Not Tobor. He is innocent - a good space monkey.

Thank you to all who pointed out JHK's impudent reversal of the truth re: Iran.

I get the feeling that JHK watches and internally absorbs a LOT of TV. He references TV personalities I've never heard of.

Clearly, he has internalized the propaganda about Iran. You would think that a man who writes about peak oil and spends so much time ruminating over money matters would draw the connection that others have over Iran's oil. And their disattachment to the global banking system. But he just parrots the corporate media line.

It amazes me that our ruling overlords and TV talking heads can say such nonsense without choking on their own hypocrisy. And that otherwise intelligent people can swallow it.

He states as fact that Iran has been run by crazy people trying to exact revenge on the US for 33 years. Really? And how exactly did they do that?
By fighting against the US-backed Iraqi invasion of Iran a year after they had the audacity to throw the US-backed Shah out?

The nerve of those towel-heads!

Thank you again to all who responded so politely and factually. My first reaction was not as polite.

Especially to charlie, who has the tact and charm that I wish everyone could have. Kudos to you, charlie!

And Deni, who I've never seen before. Thank you also, for pointing out that the casual acceptance of mass murder, whether by war or sanctions, shows that the US has achieved the spiritual death that MLK warned us about.

A nation that spends more every year on the military, rather than programs of social uplift, is approaching spiritual death.

Well, we approached and then embraced it. And the results are not pretty.

I don't know what happened to cash, but marlin is still around, as widespreadpanic. Can't you tell by the jingoism, mixed with gun fetishism?

I am defending Myrtle's honor here. She was a sharp and funny woman, with a talent for writing.

She didn't come from money, although she seemed to have married into it.

If she's dead, I'm sorry.

LOL! I might as well read your vatican/jesuit authored "Protocols of Zion".

But again, you show you have zero integrity. You misrepresent, lie, and misdirect with every David Duke plagiarized and parroted utterance you make. You are pathetic beyond belief. Calling you an asshole would be to elevate you a step beyond what you are. I'm not going to do that, you pathetic Vatican Sith.


I'm surprised that you don't like Obama then, Vlad.

After all, he and his mama moved to Indonesia with his step-daddy, who got pulled out of his Hawaii college to go back home and help Suharto kill close to a million leftist civilians, who were mostly ethnic Chinese.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/08/18/wayne-madsen-obamas-cia-connections-part-i-and-ii/

I would think that a million dead Chinese leftists would make you feel a little more friendly to Barry.

Leib, I think the thing is Americans have been getting dumber and dumber.

Look at the stats.

18th in quality of education
26th in graduation rate
43rd in realizing God is a mental construct

but

1st in blowing away digital zombies
1st in neck flame tattoo art
1st in breast implants

There you go.

Mrs. Beasley.

Why is it that the only items I can find for sale at Walmart are food and stationary? Everything else is made in east Asia, primarily China. Check it out.

LLB just emailed me and said he was wondering if you're the frozen wino camped out in the alley next to this bookstore? All in all this has been a delightfully creepy day on the blog which has made my day off more entertaining than usual so thank you for your contributions.

Well the Romans kicked them to the four winds after the Bar Kokhba rebellion. The Jewish forces under this false messiah had behaved with extreme brutality killing, raping, mutitlating, and yes, eating both Roman Soldiers and Civilians through out Palestine, Cypress, and Alexandria. Read about in the unedited versions Gibbons "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire". Forget Wikipedia of course.

This was the third revolt and the worst. The Romans had had it. So the payback was extreme. You have a moral right to revolt of course - but not to butcher Greek Civilians in Alexandria or Roman ones everywhere. You had the right to Palestine after taking it from the Phillistines and Amorrites etc. And they had every right to revolt against you as imperialists. The dog barks, the caravan passes.

Catholic Tradition is clear: the Jews will again choose a False Messiah, this time the Anti-Christ. All talk about a World Religion is leading to his Advent.

In the end, many Jews will awaken and accept Christ. True Jews have always known that Palestine could never be their's through military force but rather only through Supernatural Agency. Until then they were to pray and repent of the sins that caused theme to lose the Holy Land. Also to pray for the Rulers in whom Countries they dwelt. In other words, true Jews are and always have been very rare. Just like real Christians.

Correction: Only items which are American made at Walmart are food and stationary.

Yeah, he does that. Kinda reveals what Elaine says about him being a Zionist. Problem in this country is that Zionism rules. The Clinton's daughter married a big time Jew. Now she's got a reporter job to continue selling the spew.

Who owns the banks? The movie industry? Since, oh, I don't know, 1910? Yep, you guessed it, da Jews. And they all have a foot in the door in every single room of the White House. Note how bankers and Hollywood are forever guests at White House dinners. It has been revealed that in 2009, right after "The Great Recession" squeezed all of us by the balls, that Obama and Michelle threw a Halloween party featuring Johnny Depp in costume as the Mad Hatter, and the East room decorated by Hollywood director Tim Burton. Unemployment was souring, people were threatened with eviction, and the White House left this little party unmentioned. The (Zionist) press dutifully remained silent. Continue playing with you thing-a-ma-bob, peasants. Party on, Garth!

wage, either vkramps is pulling our collective chain, or has committed the fauxest of pas: upthread, (he) claims to have killed myrtle by shooting her w/ a .45- the same mo, btw as claimed for the demise of Q-check- which i for one hope is greatly exaggerated; i was having fun with him

In the background of these grave machinations lurks the tragedy of Iran.

Yes Iran is tragic:

But it’s all a put on. Imagine a very large and powerful country invaded Canada or Mexico to ensure their supply to the tar sands or the soon to be extinct Mexican oil supplies ten years ago. Now ten years later this rich and powerful country is in a state of festering internal rot and can’t afford to keep its troops in Canada or Mexico any more so they are pulled home.

Imagine as well the media of this rich powerful and mythical country wants to save face and try and project an image of strength as it withdraws troops with its tail between its legs like the scared dog it is.

I’m sure they could find a few nutballs here who will loudly shout how much we hate the occupying imperialist dogs and want to destroy them. Turn on the microphone and point.

Imagine this rich powerful and mythical country has a compliant media that touts whatever imperial propaganda they get in the morning email.

Yes, it is tragic to see so many drink the Iran kool-aid every day.

Why would Iran start a war when all hey have to do is wait. They have oil of their own. All they have to do is wait.

Does it really make any sense?

K-dog

The (Zionist) press dutifully remained silent.

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Zionist press?

Your antisemitism is ugly.

And unlike your hatred of whitey and your embrace of open borders? You are a hypocrite. Fleeing to Equador was the nail in your coffin where hypocrisy is concerned. The more you dig, the deeper and farther in shit you become, ass wipe.

I have to conquer with our blog-meister James HK, and the insightful musings of John Robb... its green-lighted for the US/UK NATO coalition action to go hit Iran soon and the drivers are all in place now...

http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2012/01/the-heartbeat-of-war-with-iran.html

And its not Iran’s oil that’s really important folks, they have to import petrol for cars there you know... tis the LNG, twas Libya for the sweet crude we needed my dears and critically there underlying water table too.

(Water wars will be the next decades play)

This could seriously f#ck-up my plans for sailing outta Turkey come April... b#gger and damn, defo if Nukes go orf!!

And I’m with the lovely Lbendet on this call, the virtual 'pre-op' games in post play out analysis are never replicated as expected, come the shock-an-awe real-time strikes.... but I would also agree with JHK, that when the OECD audience get totally spooked, with ghastly 'yuff' unemployment prospects as they be collectively right now, mixed with economic doom-n-gloom perspectives...

You really do need to up the level of ‘magic’ lever pulling behind the curtain... and a new war of note does that beautifully of course. It means O’Bammy could also put off the looming election too due to the security emergency unfolding...

The tiny% of peeps reading this blog, and those that might protest are of no significance, much like the OWSERs et al are insignificant. Your national laws have just been changed to make sure that any derision will be crushed in fact... since 9/11 lots has quietly been moving on.

War’s good for business here in the West, its well proven, has been before, time and time again in fact. So if I were smart and a middle-class Iranian, I’d be getting me & my family the f#ck out of the locale PDQ...

In the words of ‘Colonel Kilgore’ keep your heads down CFN’ers... this is gonna be a big one... the clue will be continued troop movements...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My3aRRe3MqQ&

Toodle-pip

A xx

anytime, big guy!

I agree. I'm laying out that the US COULD attack Iran, not that I feel they should (and personally I think it would not only be ethically wrong, but just a dumb idea). Of course, this is the United States wer're talking about here - it's essential that they protect the dollar as reserve currency at all cost, even if it means sacrificing what's left of real morality and ethics in this country.

I think commentators are forgetting that Iran is a very large country and it is by no means homogenous. They had their own 'Persian spring' and it you subtract all the brown-shirts and mullah-Omar characters, you have a very large population of people who are generally itching to overthrow their religious dictatorship and invoke secular reformation.

As for the military threat, I don't find any of the scenarios on offer here to be credible. The strait of Hormuz is a well-defined, relatively small area which has been mapped to the millimeter and monitored by a seasoned crew of 22 year old kids deep in the air force bunkers under the Rocky Mountains, able to put a pound of high explosive on the forehead of any mullah within 15 minutes.

Neither do I think an engagement of Iran result in widespread economic turmoil. Hillary has already negotiated the displacement of potential supply disruption.

I think the example of Egypt is instructive. As in Egypt, you have a solid core of MEN who are the government-paid enforcers. They are brownshirts, cops, secret police, domestic military, standard military, what-have-you. These men have no other skills or abilities. They are a population surplus. In Egypt, the Arab spring failed to realize its aims by naively concluding that MEN will rise to the occasion.

It is my general perception that human beings tend to ossify with time, that is, they reinforce their existing patterns of behavior at the expense of any change. A sort of negative inertia. In Iraq, professionals at the art of shooting people and taking orders to oppress their countrymen were more or less unreformable. They gave up their weapons, spent a few months wandering about without an identity (job), and then found themselves back in what was familiar (blowing people up, shooting people, and taking orders).

So the real task to remediate Iran is to take a very large straw, stick it in that Persian milkshake, and filter out all the good people, and flush the rest down the sink with a chaser of strong bleach.

In the long run it might just make sense to lure the larger part of their armed forces into a single area and then nuke them, and see if the mullahs can resist the next pro-democracy movement.

It would be awesome, if, some quantum physics type weapon could be designed that violently liberated the energy in kalashnikov rifle stocks all over the world so they would blow up, killing their owners. Sadly, we might have to rely on drone strikes. What about using pennies instead of expensive ammo? A drone patrols at 50,000 feet, about 48,750 feet higher than the Empire State building, and everyone knows a penny dropped from the top of the Empire State building can kill a pedestrian on the street...

This was the third revolt and the worst. The Romans had had it.
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LOL! The imperialists had had it. The shameless fscks have had it. They had it with the insolence of their subjects wanting to be free of imperialist slavery thievery brutality depravity lies and mass murder. The shameless imperialists fscks had had it! They had had it! LOL!

I thought Jim and readers might enjoy the following, lifted from the current edition of UK satirical magazine Private Eye.

““U.S. OCCUPATION OF AMERICA IS A FAILURE”, DECLARE CRITICS

AFTER a 250 year military presence, the achievements of the American occupation of America have been called sharply into question. “Despite spending billions of dollars, the country still remains a hotbed of gun-toting religious extremists with only a toehold on democracy,” say critics. “Pity the poor ordinary American people. At least in Iraq they were only there for 8 years. This looks like going on forever.” (Reuters)”

Many a true word spoken in jest.

Vlad, tell me again how your imperialists fscks had had it.

Although I'm a Patriots fan, I REALLY wanted them to win because I desperately didn't want to hear from all the religious freaks that God made Tebow win. Tebowmania already was obnoxious enough.

BHM said "Fans of the paranormal should be aware that the Scientific Remote Viewers at Fort Meade, MD foresaw [while astrally projecting] that in the near future the entire human race would be forced to abandon the planets' surface owing to massive environmental degradation. Bibliography: "Psychic Warrior" by Moore."

As an alternative, see James Lovelock's Gaia's Revenge for the same conclusion.

I said "think the example of Egypt is instructive. As in Egypt, you have a solid core of MEN who are the government-paid enforcers. "

I think I should also add this is not a problem indigenous to Iran, but all over the world, and the US is no exception. In America, kids are mindwashed early and often to anticipate and pursue a career via the gun. They join the varsity sports teams and end up in the army for a tour or two or three, and then, upon graduating, parlay their skills of obedience to authority and a reverence for macho posturing and fetish for violence and fill the ranks of the police, private security, professional mercenaries, domestic and international "law enforcement", TSA, Border patrol, and of course, the CIA, DEA, ATF, FBI and all the other inertia-bound organizations whose sole purpose is to keep the status quo the status quo.

On the weekends these clowns take their high median wages down to the local Paki-mart and buy a half-rack of beer and grille meat while associating with... other like minded public servants. Later, they will enjoy full benefits, unearned and lavish praise from the nation for the 'huge sacrifices' and a generous pension. They fill our roads with very large trucks, very large dogs, and very large outsize American Pride stickers, and, pf course, grow most of the nation's crop of moustaches.

Good Job WL.

People can see what I mean by clicking on the WL above.

I used an anchor tag.

All one has to do to learn to make an anchor tag is Google 'HTML anchor tags'. Two minutes is all it takes to learn and they can be used here.

I'll try and use HTML comments to publish an anchor tag template now to make it even easier. This may not work.

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It would be nice if those who frequently publish URLs knew this blog accepted anchor tags.

It would be a lot neater to see the burst of self promotion at the start of the comments every week done this way. They could even be saved and cut and pasted later.

K-dog

Could you please tell the appropriate Jews to give me retirement money, so I can retire NOW? After all, they rule the world, and I'm a member of the tribe. I mean, at the Indian casinos, after all expenses, the net, net profit is divided up and distributed to every member.

I've heard this word before, I think it's called diplomacy. Ya think maybe that's why Obama didn't boot Netanyahu's ass?

What a dumb, ignorant fuck you are.

VK says "Catholic Tradition is clear: the Jews will again choose a False Messiah, this time the Anti-Christ. All talk about a World Religion is leading to his Advent. "

Eh, what have you been smoking? DMT?

The Jews believe in the absentee God. You know, he created us & then took off because he had other things to take care of in some other time and space. He may or may not come back.

Thus a sub-population of Jewry forming a sect and adhering to a new messiah doesn't seem likely. Jew-day-izzum didn't fall for any of the other messiahs since the time of Moezehz, so what is so special about >Now

If, by "we" you mean the white supremacists and the bunch of anti-Semites who comment here, yes I do think you're all stupid.

Wage you should traipse to your local netflicks and take a gander at "Offside" an indie Iranian film banned in Iran about women who are football fans who are barred from watching football because they are women. Most of the film is an eye-opening account of standing outside the stadium trying to cajole the dumpy-looking inbred moron Male militia/policemen to allow them inside.

It was subversive and banned in Iran because the script creates a dialogue that examines the absurdity of life in Iran, the absurdity of its Shariah law, and the struggle of Persians under Islamic fascism.

See it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499537/

Why not google "CIA and Hollywood" or "Rothschild and Vatican"?

It's time you educate yourself.

Vk says "King liked White Prostitutes more than Black - and sometimes he liked to beat them."

Who cares how many women, men, or miniature ponies of any color polished his knob, he spat this into a microphone in front of the world:

http://youtu.be/b80Bsw0UG-U

Doesn't that deserve a blow job, or maybe some light S&M? Who cares?

MLK was a man living under a 24 hour death sentence, and yet he spoke truth to power- that is raw courage. In the end it is not a man's sexual relations or marital fidelity that matter, but how he participated in the fight against Evil in his day and age.

Oddly enough I don't remember this complaining about religion in sports when Muhammad Ali could't go anywhere without a Nation of Islam representative with him. Or when Bobby Joe Jackson changed his name to Muhammad Abdul Muhammad to honor the great Allah.

As Carlin once said, "You're not in the club." Just because you have Jewish heritage doesn't necessarily make you a Zionist. And just because I'm Catholic, it doesn't make me pro-life or any of the other shit they may say. I ain't in the club, either. Ignorant? Perhaps. But I don't shut my eyes and mind to the truth, which is that the Vatican, the Zionist Jews, and their paid-for lackies in Congress run the whole show. Hint: Just cause you're old don't make you smart. Just look at Asoka for proof of dat, mo fo!

The money the police and military earn is not unearned, as you put it. They do their jobs. Do we need to start one war after another, no, not in my opinion. And if they are too over weight and gauche for you, ohh goodness gracias.

This may be a small commentary on a small aside from Jim, but Downton Abby is a wonderful program that highlights the era of 1900 to after WWI. This has always been a favorite time of history for me for various reasons. First of all my grandfather fought in WWI on the side of Italy. In Sicily, he told me, the Italians were not really into war. Especially him. He went from regiment to regiment and was eventually caught. He however, gave himself a horrific rash and wound up in a hospital and eventually, as they were coming to arrest him, escaped out the back window of the hospital on a horse. He spent the remainder of the war in the Sicilian hills. I met the man who brought food to my grandfather (as a boy). He testified that he was a hero and much respected in his town for his ability to evade the army. He has always been my hero and I have tried to mould myself after his abilty to stand up to the people who just want to f***k you over for their own well being. However, I digress!. The era of Downton Abby took place in England and signaled the end of the rich Aristocracy as they knew it. (try to get good help today!, impossible). My grandfather's class struggle however, led to a better place. He came to America, and made a good name and place for himself and my family. He became rich, in monetary and spiritual ways that he could NEVER have in europe. America, for all her faults may really be a country for only the downtrodden and poor. Maybe those of us who have "made it", must adhere to the rules they followed which was to have a dream and follow it. Maybe those of us who have lost that abilty will loose the gift of america and fall to the wayside. If you truly want to make it here, you have to rise above yourself. Think out of the box. Become someone you could never be in a small world of defeat. You too can be happy here. Believe, try, work hard and keep the faith. There is a place for you here. The rich from Downton Abby had to adapt or die. The poor workers for Downtown Abby had to work and adapt to survive. The key here is to adapt to changing times, keep you faith in yourself and abilty to succeed no matter what the circumstances and you will make it. I guarantee it!

And here I thought there wssn't any good or evil in the world, that religion is just a superstitious concept, better left in the past.

Reality is just a head trip.

I assume the sainted Dr King did do some good if he got the left to admit to concepts of good and evil.

Good Post, Jim ... Right to the point. But get ready for some of your fans, right here, to label you a Zionist, an imperialist and a warmonger. (Asoka and WageLabor) Not that you should care. You didn't mention the 'Carter Doctrine', pretty much taken from FDR, which labels middle east oil a strategic national asset which will be protected by US force. That was the basis of President Bush's invasion of Iraq, and it would be the basis of the Navy clearing Iranian ships out of the Straits of Hormuz.

--WSP7

I'm a Zionist. Where the fsck are my paychecks!?

Deni said, "It's indicative of our contagious national sociopathy when the potential genocidal extermination of another nation's people is described with such insouciance. "

Oh you sanctimonious prick. Its hard not to applaud the destruction of religious fascism no matter where it occurs. And if the anti-war forces of the world wish to affect real change, no one is stopping them.

But they are not, because the peace movement is filled with peaceniks who believe that ideology alone can accomplish goals. It cannot.

Deni said "Rarely do they acknowledge the fact that killing human beings is tragic, very tragic and cause for reflection and remorse."

Actually, it is a sliding scale. When old people die no one thinks it is tragic. When babies die, thye think it is. And when pet animals of any age or condition die, their owners think it is tragic. No one thinks the amphetamine-fueled nazi stormtroopers that died in WWII died "tragic" deaths.

Indeed, there are non-tragic deaths. There are deaths where the planet is MUCH better off without them. When George W. Bush dies of a bladder infection from too much alcohol, it will not be tragic. When Humpy the dancing whale dies at SeaWorld it will be tragic. It will not be tragic for the stumbling, antibiotic-addled Geurnsey cow is finally put down. It will not be tragic as the hundreds of fetuses with chromosomal deficiencies are aborted every year due to mom's imbibement of alcoholic beverages.

In short, not every person is special, and certainly, some people are just creepy products of mindless procreation without any participatory value. The Iranian armed forces is filled with subnormal boys and men whose limited capacity for intelligence has relegated them to life-long status as street corner snitches and enforcers, to beat old women and sick men for wearing shorts or unveiled chops.

Line em up and machine-gun these useless bags of shit in mass graves. Or, do it from 50,000 feet with supersonic pennies.

If there is one thing the world is overfull with, it is destructive little pricks thinking themselves full of God's favor and made in his image.

"Visualize a sunken American super-carrier or a few dozen large missiles landing upon Tel Aviv. "

I'm trying, but can't. Believe it or not their ability to land missiles on Tel Aviv would have come from one source technology- the Russians- who haven't been able to achieve competence in modern rocketry of late. What might happen is a pathetic attempt at a launch and the accidental bombing of the Gaza strip, Jordan, Lebanon, or may be splash down in the Meditteranian.

In other words, IF they overcome their own incompetence and launch, IF their math is strong enough to carry an unguided missile without the use of GPS. IF it makes it through a blizzard of anti-missile defenses, it might make contact delivering a negligible amount of ordinance in what will probably be a tactically inconsequential area.

As for Iran being a civilization... It does not have the history past one generation of being "Iran". In fact it is filled with proud Persians who really don't want their oppressive regime. It will not be like Iraq, where, when the snake head was chopped off, there was no living memory of anything but a clabbered-together, military and colonial history.

Jagger said "If we left Iran alone, I strongly suspect they would leave everyone else alone. They certainly don't have a history of aggression over the last few centuries unlike Israel or the US. But Isreal and our 1% want Iran put down, so they will sic the great big dumb dog, the 99%, on to Iran. When history looks back on this timeframe, I suspect we are going to be judged as the predators. "

...unless we win, and then history will write us up more or less positively!

Anyway, the idea that we should lay off Iran is just silly. We are the world's policeman and enforcer, and its been real good for us and for the world.

Iran is a state that keeps threatening to blow up Israel and blow up the US. A Precautionary principle should apply to all things, and so it is a balance: precaution toward Iran's implicit threats of war, precaution toward our own instigation of neutralizing force.

As the moment of truth approaches, the anti-war crowd simply becomes more and more shrill. It is annoying to those of us who are sympathetic because it is an unrealistic view. Humans are bestial creatures who are more or less responsive to a good ass-kicking and occasional reduction to compost-able remains.

At a certain point, most oppressive regimes (ours included) tend to become peopled by authoritarian douche-bags. As sad as it might seem, perhaps the best use of such populations is the controlled release upon other populations of authoritarian douche-bags.

He spent the remainder of the war in the Sicilian hills.
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I wish everybody everywhere would be smart enough to do the same.

I just wanted to congratulate you on your website. I think it's great. You got my vote, man.

K-dog for President!

Deni said, "It's indicative of our contagious national sociopathy when the potential genocidal extermination of another nation's people is described with such insouciance. "

Oh you sanctimonious prick. Its hard not to applaud the destruction of religious fascism no matter where it occurs. And if the anti-war forces of the world wish to affect real change, no one is stopping them.

But they are not, because the peace movement is filled with peaceniks who believe that ideology alone can accomplish goals. It cannot.

Deni said "Rarely do they acknowledge the fact that killing human beings is tragic, very tragic and cause for reflection and remorse."

Actually, it is a sliding scale. When old people die no one thinks it is tragic. When babies die, thye think it is. And when pet animals of any age or condition die, their owners think it is tragic. No one thinks the amphetamine-fueled nazi stormtroopers that died in WWII died "tragic" deaths.

Indeed, there are non-tragic deaths. There are deaths where the planet is MUCH better off without them. When George W. Bush dies of a bladder infection from too much alcohol, it will not be tragic. When Humpy the dancing whale dies at SeaWorld it will be tragic. It will not be tragic for the stumbling, antibiotic-addled Geurnsey cow is finally put down. It will not be tragic as the hundreds of fetuses with chromosomal deficiencies are aborted every year due to mom's imbibement of alcoholic beverages.

In short, not every person is special, and certainly, some people are just creepy products of mindless procreation without any participatory value. The Iranian armed forces is filled with subnormal boys and men whose limited capacity for intelligence has relegated them to life-long status as street corner snitches and enforcers, to beat old women and sick men for wearing shorts or unveiled chops.

Line em up and machine-gun these useless bags of shit in mass graves. Or, do it from 50,000 feet with supersonic pennies.

If there is one thing the world is overfull with, it is destructive little pricks thinking themselves full of God's favor and made in his image.

"Visualize a sunken American super-carrier or a few dozen large missiles landing upon Tel Aviv. "

I'm trying, but can't. Believe it or not their ability to land missiles on Tel Aviv would have come from one source technology- the Russians- who haven't been able to achieve competence in modern rocketry of late. What might happen is a pathetic attempt at a launch and the accidental bombing of the Gaza strip, Jordan, Lebanon, or may be splash down in the Meditteranian.

In other words, IF they overcome their own incompetence and launch, IF their math is strong enough to carry an unguided missile without the use of GPS. IF it makes it through a blizzard of anti-missile defenses, it might make contact delivering a negligible amount of ordinance in what will probably be a tactically inconsequential area.

As for Iran being a civilization... It does not have the history past one generation of being "Iran". In fact it is filled with proud Persians who really don't want their oppressive regime. It will not be like Iraq, where, when the snake head was chopped off, there was no living memory of anything but a clabbered-together, military and colonial history.

Jagger said "If we left Iran alone, I strongly suspect they would leave everyone else alone. They certainly don't have a history of aggression over the last few centuries unlike Israel or the US. But Isreal and our 1% want Iran put down, so they will sic the great big dumb dog, the 99%, on to Iran. When history looks back on this timeframe, I suspect we are going to be judged as the predators. "

...unless we win, and then history will write us up more or less positively!

Anyway, the idea that we should lay off Iran is just silly. We are the world's policeman and enforcer, and its been real good for us and for the world.

Iran is a state that keeps threatening to blow up Israel and blow up the US. A Precautionary principle should apply to all things, and so it is a balance: precaution toward Iran's implicit threats of war, precaution toward our own instigation of neutralizing force.

As the moment of truth approaches, the anti-war crowd simply becomes more and more shrill. It is annoying to those of us who are sympathetic because it is an unrealistic view. Humans are bestial creatures who are more or less responsive to a good ass-kicking and occasional reduction to compost-able remains.

At a certain point, most oppressive regimes (ours included) tend to become peopled by authoritarian douche-bags. As sad as it might seem, perhaps the best use of such populations is the controlled release upon other populations of authoritarian douche-bags. Its sad but true, some people should be killed. Its a fact of life that is ugly and profane. I blame God.

Wage;

Not a gun fetish. Just Marlins, Winchesters and Colts. That's all 19th century tech.

--WSP7

A jingo, yes I am a Jingo. But so was John Kennedy ... and the great Teddy Roosevelt.

--WSP7

Dear Metsulah,

Yes, my grandfather always said, "They didn't do anything to me personally, so why should I kill them." One day he was assigned to watch a building overnight. He of course, left. The building was blown up. If would have stayed there, I might not be writing this comment. There is a certain amount of common sense there. He never had anything personally against the Germans. He always said, "Everyone in the world wants the same things, the ability to have a family and work. Its the Governments in the world that use its people to do the work for their agendas. Don't ever fight for anyone or anything unless it personally affects you or someone you love." Good words to remember, for a lifetime.

I wasn't complaining about Tebow himself. He seems like a nice enough kid and he's entitled to his beliefs. It's all the religious folks and the media who make a big deal about Tebow's beliefs that gets my goat. Football is just a game. I'm sure other pro athletes are strongly religious, as well. Maybe we ought to just concentrate on the final scores and save the religion for church.

People can be programmed whichever way. Why not target the program the programmers the operating system that allows it all to happen?

Your grandfather was a beautiful person, and you sound like you are one too.

You are a hypocrite. Fleeing to Equador was the nail in your coffin where hypocrisy is concerned.

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From reading this blog I got the idea that survival was important.

Could you explain how developing a Plan B that involves crossing borders to a tropical paradise makes me a hypocrite?

Your accusation lack gravitas, so I am having trouble taking it seriously.

Bustin, well said.

Agreed. Which is why it does not bother me in the least if it is true Jews have influence in the media. We need good influences from caring people who are intelligent and have a good sense of humor.

I've been saying all along to anyone who would listen that we should surrender to the British and rejoin the commonwealth, preferably as a constitutional monarchy like the Canucks, and not as a republic, like India. That would have the advantage of true majority rule as we would get a unicameral legislature with a Prime Minister instead of what we're currently getting, which is a bicameral clusterfuck headed by an elected king called the president. Maybe then the government could finally get something accomplished.

So while we're on this subject, tell me about Zionism. What makes one a Zionist? Enquiring minds want to know.

BTW, age is just a number. I'm still physically and mentally agile. I may not be able to run as fast as I used to, but I'm not slow. And my joints might creak a little when I get out of a chair, but I can still bend my head to my knee standing up, and can touch my toes as well.

Intelligence is a genetic trait, and unless one suffers from a mental degradation condition, it remains mostly intact. It's wisdom that aging is thought to bring; but I've seen too many old fools to believe it.

Pretty simple, Bill. Zionists think they're superior and can and WILL take out anyone who is not Jewish by blood. They do this all the time in Palestine, murdering all Muslims who dare cross into their borders. SAme with business. It, in short, is Nazism in reverse. BTW, How in Hell could you and Asoka reach your old age and still (pretend?) not to know this? Or are you, perhaps, a fifteen year old boy from Kentucky and not an old codger from Boston?

Zionists think they're superior
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How so?

How in Hell could you and Asoka reach your old age and still (pretend?) not to know this?

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I'm learning new stuff every day. Just cause I'm old doesn't mean I'm omniscient.

You did not answer my question regarding your claim that the press is Zionist. I dispute that claim. Especially after your "definition" of Zionist.

Journalists do not consider themselves superior, nor do they "take out anyone" (in your words).

South Carolina has seven military bases, accounts for SEVEN Billion in war spending.

73% in South Carolina said they don't cut Social Security or Medicare and want MORE SPENDING on the military.

South Carolina is a welfare state. For every dollar in taxes sent to Washington DC, South Carolina gets back $1.45.

And they say they are against "big government"?

Let's not kill any Iranians.
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While I agree with this statement, your first paragraph is something you must have pulled off a website that Metuselah visits....pure nonsense.

dale, you are not obliged to agree with anything I say, especially if you consider it pure nonsense.

However, I did not pull anything off a website. I am the intellectual author of the first paragraph, except for "Oh, woe the day" which I did borrow from Shakespeare without attribution or quote marks.

wow do you really believe all of that? that line about being the world police and enforcer almost looks like sarcasm, but the rest of it is pretty fuckin' ugly...makes it hard to tell

Why not google "CIA and Hollywood" or "Rothschild and Vatican"?

It's time you educate yourself.
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Yeah....just "google it" Vlad. That's where all the facts are, right? That's where you get your "cutting edge" swing from the heels info, right?

It's going to be fun watching you to argue in the information free zone.

Ok, I get it, all the crap about Iranian capabilities, you just made that up. Thanks for wasting our time.

My understanding is when something is considered "common knowledge" there is no need for attribution or quote marks. Perhaps I have too high a regard for CFN in assuming y'all have read Shakespeare.

In any event, I like your objectivity and direct style, dale. I always find your comments informative, and I am especially grateful for the links you provided to Alan Wallace dharma talks. Have you seen his book, Contemplative Science: Where Buddhism and Neuroscience Converge (Columbia Series in Science and Religion)

For obvious reasons, I cannot reveal my source of information about Iranian capabilities, but Iran does possess weapons the USA does not know about. War with Iran would not end well for the USA.

It wasn't Vlad, that was me. And no, the internet is not where the facts are. The internet where you will find catalogs and references to books (sometimes the books themselves) where the facts are.

Thank you Kramps. You humble the so called Right by your honesty about Zionism. You show Hancock's idea that Fascism is only of the Right for the lie that it is.

The whole paradism of Left/Right does not illuminate anymore as I've tried to tell him. Mexican Immigrants are far left when it comes to social spending and far right when it comes to social values. Our political categories don't make any sense when applied to them.

Pretty simple, Bill. Zionists think they're superior and can and WILL take out anyone who is not Jewish by blood. They do this all the time in Palestine, murdering all Muslims who dare cross into their borders. SAme with business. It, in short, is Nazism in reverse.
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That, pretty much describes the US. But your false projection is very interesting, Dostoevsky, and again gives you away. It only further confirms my original suspicion about you being CIA.

Hatred leads to confusion of mind and senses and to mistakes in daily life.

You've discovered my hidden identity at last. Congrats!

Wait til your Zionist boss finds out about what you been doing in your spare time. He might finally make you one of us by circumcising your Vatican dick.

A couple of decades ago no one would have made a big deal about it - nor could they have gotten away with it if they did. Jews, Leftists, and Non Whites are all united in their desire to persecute traditional Whites.

Their definition of "Big Gov't", of course, is any programs that don't specifically benefit them.

You said:

"The Jews believe in the absentee God. You know, he created us & then took off because he had other things to take care of in some other time and space. He may or may not come back."

The best perspective I have on this is from a book I read a long long time ago which attempted to answer the eternal question:

Why are we born to suffer and die?

The book is 'Venus on the Half-Shell' by Kilgore Trout. Kilgore Trout turns out to be a pen name of a Mr. Philip José Farmer and not Kurt Vonnegut who I thought.

Anyway in the book god created the universe one day as something to do but then lost interest and left. Something akin to defecation I'm assuming. At the end of the book the answer to the central question of 'Why are we born to suffer and die' turns out to be:

Why Not.

How about plagiarism then? That's a sin of soul not the flesh. He was a clever character despite his lack of academic acumen. People never noticed the violence that always followed The Great Man of Peace.

I have no doubt that he would be 100% behind the whole equal outcomes debacle - which means eternal affirmative action and hand outs. Blacks aren't equal and therefore we must be punished for that. And then extend those benefits and "rights" to Browns, and then Browns, Blacks, and Yellows from other places - you have a program that will in effect enslave Whites in time. Luckily it's not going to last..

James, Ive just read a hilariously wry, dark comment by a certain Rober Green Ingersoll, very reminsiscent of your pithy disquisitons upon the brutal, 'unfeeling' nature of reality:

"In nature there are neither rewards nor punishments; there are consequences."

When will you Leftists learn that people want nations of their own? As an article I once read said about the Shining Path: They could have set the Andes on fire except that they couldn't hide their contempt for the Religion, Culture, and Folkways of the Indians they were supposedly interested in helping. You're just broken records always repeating the exact same mistakes over and over again.

What? There is talk of knob polishing here? Dogs have good noses. I smell an argumentum ad hominem about. Time to help.

Public Domain Speeches by Martin Luther King.

Hero of the People.

Luckily it's not going to last..

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Correct, luckily miscegenation is taking care of it.

asoka, I'm not going after Oprah. What I'm saying is that an apparent majority of voters attach more importance to TV programming than they do to learning about monetary and political problems.

And for all that I happen to like a fair bit of TV to which Mr. Kunstler shows scorn, I had still figured out enough of this world in which I live such that I started the same sorts of gripes as his, some twenty and more years ago. Heck, some inevitabilities became apparent early in the early years of LBJ's Great Society. Demographics and arithmetic can be quite illustrative.

There's a beautiful Italian film directed by Vittorio De Sica and staring Sophia Loren and Marcello Mastroianni titled "Sunflower" (Italian: I Girasoli), about an Italian draft dodger who wasn't as successful as your grandfather.

Sunflower (I Girasoli) Title Theme - YouTube
- http://goo.gl/bLUhs

I think it's based on true story. If you haven't seen it, definitely worth watching.

Nice week's work, JHK. Thanks as always. I've said before how much we should admire your ability to take any week's events - spoon in a little pop doomster logic; blend, shake, and bake - to create a unique and interesting weekly casserole for your readership.

And you've been on mostly pure ECONOMIC-caused disaster for several months now - with little attention paid to ENVIRONMENTAL-caused collapse.

Hey, I don't blame you. You're the published author; not the rest of us. And you've got to produce something exciting every week, that people will want to read. So, sometimes you make the most horrible predictions sound like an exciting roller coaster ride - for an unaware resident of the US.

"The result of all this ..... is sure to be a gigantic step down in worldwide energy consumption, trade, and advanced economic activity. It would make the Great Depression look like a sit-com." -jhk-

Like a sit-com, indeed! There's a lot of tragedy and death between where we in the US find ourselves, now - before we descend to a "Great Depression" styled standard of living. Plus there is a HUGE population reduction baked in - to this week's casserole.

The 1930 population was 122775046, by census.
We are well on our way to TRIPLING that number - except now the US is now bereft of all the easy oil, and all the easily mined minerals, and lots of good topsoil too, lost in the dust bowl and gone forever.

I'm beginning to think that we had better HOPE that economic collapse brings today's US population growth to a halt. Because, otherwise the US is killing itself with excessive LEGAL immigration, and killing the planet, too.
https://www.numbersusa.com/content/

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been threatening to nuke Israel since at least 2006 - nearly six years ago. So the obvious questions is why? And even more perplexing, why issue a threat when the capability to deliver on a threat still hasn't been achieved six years later? Convenient labels such as "Madman" and "Nutjob" do not fully explain the incongruity between issued threat and inability to deliver.

If the lines of this war drum narrative read as an incoherent madman waving a gun without bullets on the world stage, then what diabolical narrative fills the interstices, those feigned negative spaces that actually form the mainline story?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WninWFtO0Gg

"Ahem.... Naval. From the guy stumped on secede."
-noel bodie-

That's the beginning of an interesting word analogy, noel b.

Naval:secede::navel:Succeed ???

Do they still put analogies on standardized tests?

"....Ahmadinejad has been threatening to nuke Israel since at least 2006 - nearly six years ago. So the obvious questions is why?"
-buck-

A very good question, indeed. It looks like posturing for internal politics, first. And then - posturing for a certain large subset of the World, that enjoys watching somebody/ANYbody, talk tough to the US and Israel.

Don't these "posturing" guys ever watch the news?
a. Hussein, Saddam
b. Kadafi, Momar
c. Hitler, Adolf

ProCon, Iran has not threatened "to wipe Israel off the map" ... that is a mistranslation of the Persian.

Ahmadinejad's phrase was "بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود" according to the text published on the President's Office's website. The translation presented by the official Islamic Republic News Agency has been challenged by Arash Norouzi, who says the statement "wiped off the map" was never made and that Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the "regime occupying Jerusalem".

Norouzi translated the original Persian to English, with the result, "the Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."

Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, agrees that Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as, "the Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).

According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian." Instead, "he did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."

The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translated the phrase similarly, as "this regime" must be "eliminated from the pages of history."

Iranian government sources denied that Ahmadinejad issued any sort of threat. On 20 February 2006, Iran's foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference: "How is it possible to remove a country from the map? He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize legally this regime."

Shiraz Dossa, a professor of Political Science at St. Francis Xavier University in Nova Scotia, Canada, also believes the text is a mistranslation.

Ahmadinejad was quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini in the specific speech under discussion: what he said was that "the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time."

No state action is envisaged in this lament; it denotes a spiritual wish, whereas the erroneous translation – "wipe Israel off the map" – suggests a military threat.

There is a huge chasm between the correct and the incorrect translations. The notion that Iran can "wipe out" U.S.-backed, nuclear-armed Israel is ludicrous.

Little known information about drones:

MYTH: Drones are unmanned aircraft that 22 year olds can operate from an Air Force bunker under the Rocky Mountains. (from Bustin J | January 16, 2012 4:41 PM)

FACT: It takes nearly 170 people to keep a single Predator in the air for 24 hours.

Excellent post Asoka, yours is only the 2d time I have ever seen the "Wipe Out Israel" claim clarified. Knowledge of the arcane separates the men from the boys in the study of politics.

Seems to me that the Iranians could clear up this little misunderstanding, with a simple press release, this morning.

Hmmm. Wonder if they don't WANT to clarify this?

Several years ago, when the rumor mills were saying Israel or the USA was going to attack Iran, I said on CFN it would not happen. (I was right, even though the conspiracy folks were saying they had inside information.) Now I must once again explain why there will be no attack on Iran.

The USA Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, is on his way to Israel. There he will warn Israel not to act unilaterally.

The USA will not act unilaterally against Iran either. Obama will not risk war with Iran (with an uncertain outcome) in an election year. Obama will also not OK an Israeli strike. That is why General Dempsey is going to meet with his counterparts in Israel this week: to tell them to back off.

Yes, I agree. In fact, from now on I too will be using this argument.

So When I say that the pagan occupation roman regime must be eliminated from the pages of history, I really don't mean to say that the Pope and all them Vatican/Jesuit pederasts should be eliminated and that the Vatican be wiped off the political map. What I really mean to I say that pagan occupation roman regime must be eliminated from the pages of history. The silly notions that some people get parsing meaning out of words!

Hmmm. Wonder if they don't WANT to clarify this?

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Hmmmm. Could it be because they have already cleared it up? On 20 February 2006, Iran's foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference:

"How is it possible to remove a country from the map? He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize legally this regime." Iranian government sources denied that Ahmadinejad issued any sort of threat.

They might of tried, but who would publish or broadcast the clarification? To make Iran look anything but warlike is not the aim of the MSM.

In fact, from now on I too will be using this argument.

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It is not an argument. It is just a correct translation. The verb used by Ahmadinejad was intransitive, not transitive.

You are misinterpreting a simple verb that was badly translated.

By the way, it does make a difference whether you say: "I am going to wipe out the Vatican" or you say "The Vatican will eventually disappear."

The latter statement is true. You can count on it.

Wage said "And Deni, who I've never seen before. Thank you also, for pointing out that the casual acceptance of mass murder, whether by war or sanctions, shows that the US has achieved the spiritual death that MLK warned us about."

Look, lets face reality, which is that we are fleas (citizens) on mangy dogs (countries) and this situation something we have to deal with in the junkyard.

I believe that by the time MLK said that most of the spiritual death had already occurred. It metastasized across the landscape and invaded previously untouched areas via the interstate highway system. I'll bet MLK used the word "Clusterfuck" alot when he wasn't around a microphone....

azoka said "Several years ago, when the rumor mills were saying Israel or the USA was going to attack Iran, I said on CFN it would not happen."

I'm of the mind to start trading prediction futures on intrade... problem is you can't use a US-bank issued credit or debit card to fund an account. Seems the US government views prediction markets to be a sort of gambling activity- and the quasi-illegal status hangs over the site like a sword of Damocles. Apparently the banks are conspiring to stop the trading of prediction futures, much like they thwarted donations to Wikileaks. What will they think of next?

Still, one can play if one sends a check by mail or wire transfer. Just think, asoka, the US not attacking Iran by So-and-so date putting money in your account! Nice huh?

I wonder if Hillary is playing. Or the Mossad or CIA. The boyz in the air force bunkers could do a quick buy position before pressing the button on Tehran. This prediction market is rife for exploitation. I have no idea what country it is run out of but Amazon forwards their email, a favor they wouldn't do for Wikileaks.

Genocide in other words...

So-and-so date putting money in your account! Nice huh?

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I don't want more money. I want to stay below the taxable level so as not to fund the USA military empire, as MD and metuselah suggest: withdraw support, starve the beast.

Genocide involves physical death.
Miscegenation involves physical love.
Do you own a dictionary, Vlad?

Interesting commentary. A few things to put into perspective: Iran, Iraq and Syria were the results of the partition of the southern part of the Ottoman Empire after the First World War, but unlike both Iraq and Syria, Iran (Persia) has had a continuous civilization going back to at least 3200 BC, and was itself an empire through much of the 18th and 19th century.

The Iranians established a parliamentary republic in 1906, but when the Shah at the time looked like they would support Germany in World War II, Britain and the USSR invaded Iran in 1941. In 1953, the US under Eisenhower worked with the UK under Churchill to overthrow the democratically elected government of Iran and to confirm Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi as autocratic ruler.

The Shah then received military support and aid amounting to hundreds of millions of dollars each year (billions in current dollars), which he used to repress the Iranians. In 1979, the revolution overthrew the Shah, who was whisked out of the country by the US, to die later that year of cancer.

It can be argued whether rule by the Ayatollah clergy since then has been much better, but the Iranians have solid reason to distrust the US. The US has no interest in the Iranian people or in democracy there. It is interested in Iran because, 1) Iran has oil and infrastructure, 2) Iran has strategic control of the Gulf of Oman and the Strait of Hormuz, and 3) They have no interest in satisfying US demands in the region.

War with Iran has been on the horizon for several years, but never seems to happen. I doubt it will under Obama's watch as well.

How do you know they haven't? He has explained himself numerous times at the UN.

They may want a nuke but that is no direct threat to Israel which has 300 or so - in violation of International Law. But it's one rule for the Jews and another for everyone else. Why do they want one? As a deterrent of course. As a local doomsday device: you invade us, bomb us, etc and you may get it. Obviously they aren't going to first strike and be annihalated. Basically the same stragtegy as North Korea probably. Pakistan is a whole other situation and far more dangerous.

They may even be interested in nuclear power as they claim as well.

Btw, they don't seem close to either.

Is rape love? Rape of the body by Black Males and rape of the mind by Liberal Globalist Hacks.

Vlad, you know surprisingly little about racial mixing. The black-white marriages increased from 65,000 in 1970 to 558,000 in 2010, according to Census Bureau figures.

Here's a clue, Vlad. Marriage is different from rape. Do you own a dictionary, Vlad?

Oh, by the way Vlad, in the United States, rates of interracial cohabitation are significantly higher than those of marriage.

You are on the losing end of history Vlad, and falsely crying "Rape!" is not going to change the miscegenation trends. You cannot stop global Eros.

Regardless, Asoka, the intent of his statement is clear: End the nation of Israel. Israel is a nation, and its government represents the people of that nation, so to my mind, saying he wished that the government in Jerusalem be erased from the page of time is almost the same thing as saying he wishes the state of Israel be erased from the pages of history. If he intended the more innocent statement, he could have easily said that he wished the regime in Jerusalem be replaced with a more reasonable government. Given that he doesn't officially recognize the state of Israel, I think claiming his remarks were innocent is disingenuous, IMO. His actual remark may not have been menacing, but it certainly was threatening.

Met says "People can be programmed whichever way. Why not target the program the programmers the operating system that allows it all to happen?"

As an apostate of programming, you'll be labeled a propagandist and shunned. Never happen.

Only the programmers can stop the program, and they release updates to the source code in a billion ways every day.

A person who questions his program doesn't necessarily have control over the effects of code execution across the globe. Hence only the programmer can stop the programmer.

We are basically fated to see this thing happen in the Strait of Hormuz if the program is executed. No say. And No se.

No one is not under the power of the programmer. At some point he slipped into the status of worlds "most powerful individual".

I guess I see it as when the Bush regime was in power for eight years. I actually thought Bush was illegitimately in power having been installed by the Supreme Court.

There were times when I thought "this is going to come to an end some day" (thinking of the regime of Bush, not the nation). If Iran, six years ago, had the intention of "wiping out" Israel, don't you think there would have been some attempt to do that in the last six years?

The lack of action puts the burden of proof on those who continue to insist on an interpretation for which there is no historical evidence.

I hadn't realized the number of mixed marriages was so high - that's a good thing. Hopefully we're well on our way to being a golden-skinned nation (with no apologies to Vlad).

In my Sister's family (I only have one sibling), I have a good looking half-white, half-black great nephew of Russian-Kenyan ancestry, and another good-looking half-white, half-Chinese great nephew of Russian-Chinese ancestry, so at least my family is contributing to the end of Race as we know it. By the way, I met many of my nephew's wife's Kenyan family and friends at their wedding, and goodness, they all were so handsome and attractive. Black is beautiful!

I think the statement was wishful thinking, an indication of his true feelings for Israel. But to an Israeli, the remark would be scary.

I also believe that if Iran could annihilate Israel with no chance of reprisal, then it would have no qualms in killing the 6 million Israeli Jews. Does that number feel familiar to you?

Does that number feel familiar to you?

===============

Yes, Ahmadinejad is an idiot for his holocaust denial. Though it may be something Ahmadinejad has in common with Vlad.

Did these guys ever watch the news?
a. JFK
b. RFK
c. MLK
D. HENDRIX
E. LENNON

YET YOU WANT ANOTHER 200 MILLION HERE TO FEED THE GOVT TAXES AND GO INTO ITS MILITARY!

Yes, I believe in freedom of movement on the planet. It is inevitable.

Millions arrive and millions leave the USA ... According to U.S. State Department data 4.1 million U.S. citizens have left the USA to live in other countries. That trend will be increasing as the quality of life in the USA declines.

So, I don't care how many millions are moving back and forth across the border ... it makes me happy that people are exercising their freedom and living their dreams!

You, Vlad and ProCon, fighting against the tides of history and against freedom ... and you will not win. You cannot keep people from leaving the USA and you cannot keep people from coming to the USA. You cannot go against freedom of movement. People will find ways and laws cannot stop them.

"Well, another week goes by and Jim's Apocolyptic Prediction goes down the crapper. First it's Summer of 2011 with Street Rage, then, We're blowing up before Thanksgiving...then it gets postponed to Christmas....the next Monday doubts we make it to New Year's . . . Next Stop...Groundhog Day ..Valentine's Day - Mother's Day, Father's Day...Then the Summer of 2012 Rage...and W T F...we're going down before the election....It's getting tiresome after reading this blog for 5 years."

You are just jealous because you don't have a great supply of stuff left over from Y2K like most of the readers here!

All the permutations of concepts, the square root of the word "concepts", how many numbers is the word "concepts" made up of, assign the number as a million and decode what each number means and so on, a never ending stream of new concepts, performing mathematical operations upon words, any random mix and match of words could be a new concept, theory, anything at all, and you can assign it to any goal achieved, to any win, to any success you make believe you have had, and the connection of that success based on that random agglomeration of words, numbers and signals can be connected to any feelings, emotions, pain/pleasures, you make it up, you create it, you can't contain the infinite number of ideas and blocks of texts and sequence of symbols no matter how large this digital memory is.

So here's the deal: logic, language and memory create "REAL", create reality, not the input from sense organs or the sensations or the pain/pleasures because without these signals becoming symbols and getting inserted into a memory, a rationality, a logical mathematical affair, they would simply not even exist, they would be invisible, impossible and not real. What we have is the exact opposite of what we think is operating, reality is just abstraction, real is just what is inserted in our memory and we become aware of a chunk of information and how it is associated to some other signals (pain/pleasure/feelings/sense organ inputs, etc.) only through its relationships of cause and effects, its delimitation in time and space, its edges and how we remember them, etc. We are simply action reaction, like animals too are simply action and reaction and may have some primitive logicalification of reality going on, but we actually create reality 100 % by our oh, so precise logic and concepts and delimitations. And notice how we refine our holds on things, from the random movements of the hand a baby has, to the great precision of grasp we obtain in time. Perfectly matched to reality, but really perfectly matched to a picture of reality in our mind.

Reality would be a vague series of sensations, actions and reactions and instincts that are never recorded, never memorized in any way therefore never obtaining the condition of "existence", since existence becomes only through logic and words.

And logic creates awareness, especially of "other minds" hence reinforces reality even more by imagining the same reality being perceived by another chunk of matter (but there are chunks of matter that don't perceive, hence we must think of the limits of the numbers of "other minds" as tending to infinity, every elementary particle must become another mind that is aware, or else, no other minds exist, as just one particle that isn't another mind being aware contradicts the existence of any other mind).

All we do is create memories, we don't want something or some narrative, we want to do something or create a narrative only to create a memory so as to record it, so we have recorded it, and recording it makes it exist and become real.

Will power is always a local target, but you can instantly change the local target and execute a new will power to obtain a new target, new that always 100 % contradicts the previous target no matter how similar they may seem, since any difference is simply the identity principle and identity needs difference so our will power is constantly being challenged and contradicted by the very existence of itself, so will power is an infinite recursion of "unresolved internal conflicts" from the outset, metaphysically, because the structure of the Universe decided that that was the way to go.

Boredom is the only political game in town, conflicting positions just because. So if we had an earth completely covered with cement, steel and skyscrapers everyone would be bored and say, no lets all go back to nature, and would demolish it all and plant trees. If the earth became completely green and "Natural", everyone would become bored and would want to cover it up completely with cement, steel and skyscrapers and so on. Every position is only a reaction to another, every action is a reaction to something else, just to be different, just because, because man is conflictual and by creating opposing targets we can create a goal, a struggle, a fight, and hence a meaning, we are fighting a "war" and trying to win.

But for Matter and Mass Energy nothing is different, it doesn't matter what configuration of atoms the earth is made up of, so then please, apply my will power, everyone do what I want (only to then do the opposite after, because after I will get bored and demand to tear it all down and go back to Nature) build thousands of trillions of 1966 Oldsmobile Ninety Eights, Lincoln Continentals and 1967 Chrysler Imperials, just because, for fun, just to be Iconoclastic...

AN APE

Pucker --

When you become president, one thing that happens overnight is that you and everyone you love get a bunch of new nicknames.

I was already pretty used to this. But "FLOTUS," short for First Lady of the United States, is really something else.

I'm writing because our FLOTUS, Michelle, turns 48 on Tuesday, and I know I'm not her only fan out there.

Will you join me in wishing her a happy birthday?

The decision to become part of this campaign was deeply personal for a lot of people, and Michelle and I are no exception. But we both knew, like anyone else who believes in what we're trying to do here, that this was never going to be easy.

This fall, Michelle and I will have been married 20 years. The next 10 months will be harder than any we've experienced together, and I couldn't do it without her. I know she'd love to hear from you today:

http://my.barackobama.com/For-Michelle

Thanks for your support,

Barack

P.S. -- This weekend, people are getting together to volunteer in their communities in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Day. Find out how you can join in at serve.gov.


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177908

As in every encounter, transfer of information between two (or more) chunks of Matter (named people (for the chunks of matter ? to make the sounds of the words pretty ? ) ) is actually a game of imagined and subtle will powers playing chess, or seeing which is dominant or not, which is guessing right or wrong, which feels or seems right or wrong (
are they synchronized, or imagined synchronized, do they resonate or imagine to resonate on imagined or real intersection points ( but how can you tell if all is only information, hence, logic, hence reality only because delimited ? and the word synchronized and resonate can be used in many different sentences, but isn't it the other way around ? the word develops the sentence and defines the sentence ( and concept ? disjoint concepts are all equal even though they are different pictures as long as they have even one common word, or even one common letter ? ) ), the sentence and set of other words are a subset of a word, put it all upside down, make all kinds of logical mistakes, be colorful, invent anything, it doesn't make any difference), but it is all imagined, all a misunderstanding, a game, an instantaneous game of action reactions, imagined, fake and real, and change is the name of the game, etc.

But all of the above is false (and all I have ever written (all of nameta9's post on ilovephilosophy ?) ), what I said is not what I meant, all of the above is exactly the opposite of what I wanted to say, I don't know what I said, I don't remember saying anything, I am 100 % wrong therefore right, and I don't even understand what I am saying and so on, and so on...

QUO VADIS, BABY

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Always searching for the next cheap thrill, every sequence of action, event, every narrative, (planned event, planned sequence, intentionality of results hoped ?) action reaction, interaction, Information Relationship (between people ? choices, between more correctly monolithic slabs of chunks of matter arbitrarily delimited and assigned moving parts only to give them importance as in defining a given chunk a "person" ?).

Repetitive patterns that imply the same emotional rollercoaster or simply the same comforting sequence of emotions/feelings (maybe none at all, but just a comforting logical sequence that hinges you to a stable reference system ?) only to see them disintegrate in a jiffy (but they were never there in the first place or stable, aside from the fact that you remembered them, but memory is the great liar, memory falsifies reality by making it seem and making believe that things really happened and really are and are "stable" ?). Kill memory, forget all and make up all new "fake things" as fake is more real than real. Memory is the great liar and the great prisoner of reality, Reality and Matter and Mass Energy want a memoryless Universe, no memory possible here, memory is against the laws of physics here...

Misunderstand all of the above, misunderstanding and getting things wrong opens many more doors (to fail ?), all has been said ? never, it never ends...The more you read all that "drivel" and "trype" the farther you are getting away from what I think I wanted to say but forgot...Did I forget something ? I don't remember if I forgot to forget to remember what I forgot, but I can't pinpoint...all circuits shut off then.


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So given that reality is achieved only through logic, language and memorization of events, configurations of bits as associated to narratives, sequence of events, past interactions and past Information Relationships and how various moving parts relate to each other (or are imagined they relate to each other, but could and almost always are 100 % wrong), Metaphysics is more than justified as it creates superstructures on top of logic and creates things that are more real than "real" (such as the limit of the word "concept" as the word "speed" tends towards the word "view", etc, mathematical analysis applied to words and concepts but without the necessity to respect any rules and truth and logic, as in just make it all up, without the need to respect that pain in the a*s that is being coherent and "making any sense", without needing the communication to be shared amongst other people to create a consensus as to what we are talking about, in fact it must be completely and totally incomprehensible as in no conensus is possible, not even the consensus I can have with myself on this, not even the consensus the ideas have within themselves), it is a Reality Amplifier, it creates entities and relating items that are ever more real, concrete, and ever more abstract, non logical and impossible structures built on top of the previous becomes realer and realer, more authentic by many orders of magnitude, it is way past sense organ inputs and pain/pleasure/feeling circuits and in the realm of the pure construction of hyper-reality (the exact opposite of what physics thinks, as they think metaphysics is fluff, but it is upside down, they got the thing wrong, Matter and Hard Matter and even extreme pain/pleasure and all with all of our laws of physics are barely a ghosts of reality, barely real, metaphysics creates a harder and harder and deeper and deeper reality)...

Am I convinced now ? do I still have guilt complexes ? Of course I am not convinced, of course that all just made the guilt complexes even deeper and the "unresolved internal conflicts" even more harsh, ever more harsh, ever more regrets, eating oneselves up, how much fun constantly failing at achieving, but I win, I won, I can lie to myself knowing that it is a lie and feeling even worse about it, and so on in an infinite cycle of worse to worse to worse...

Everything is mostly virtual, a virtual life, for a long time, as long as language and thought and communications became dominant, then what you couldn't do "for real" in "real life", you did "for fake" within the fake life of language, thought and communications. So society is mostly based on the Information Economy meaning the fake economy, the virtual, the easy way out as in pretending to do something (or fantasize to do something when you know it can never really be done practically) when in reality you can't do anything but think about it, talk about it and communicate it to others that are pretending to do something but only faking it and imagining it. Hence all the importance of cell phones, Internet communications, TV (as in the Automatic Life) and such and move bits and think about stuff all making it seem as if you are actually doing something in reality. The easy way out for people that are extremely restricted in what they can really do concretely and in reality, let them talk about it and think about it, that will be good enough (and the greens should be happy, no more moving real matter or building real things, no more assembly lines to manufacture, now just chat on the tweets and cell phones and talk and talk and think and think, etc. save nature by not touching it anymore (except some electronic gadgets)).

So then JHK can mostly fantasize a World Made by Hand (it will never happen) and all can talk about it, imagine and do wonders with words and concepts and thoughts through the Internet but never doing anything real, it is ok, the easy way out, all can talk about all these new revolutions and changes that will happen, but all are extremely restricted in what they can really do, the real possible interactions they can have with real matter and society and economy. And the APE can talk about trillions of skyscrapers and 1966 Oldsmobile Ninety Eights and such, talk is cheap, talk is easy, imagine and think about all of those things that can never be done materially.

But then what difference does it make ? If it were done materially would it change anything ? It is all simply information, and Information Relationships, simply interactions (some implying a huge amount of "work" like building skyscrapers and cars, others not, but then is that the goal ? something that has an associated property based on how much past work was needed to produce it, a denotation ? a metaphysical entity ?).


As in those mixed signals that you don't know how to decode (maybe because they have no decoding or can be decoded anyway you want, it is all wrong or all right and no one and nothing knows ?), those incoherent set of bits that can mean both A and B and the opposite and something else and that you like but don't like and don't know what to or whether to like and you jump back and forth and in between (exactly "in between", or even some place else, not 0, not 1 and not even 1/2 but something else, some vague else), the judgment of something is in between, but not even in between, but you don't know even where to put the judgment, very mixed, no digital mode here, and thus you enter crisis mode that can never be solved because the "or else" is not digital, not clear, not easy to judge in any way, and you can't even judge it in between. Hence just assign it arbitrarily, just do anything, who cares, it will always have been "bad judgment". The decoding circuits break down, the interpretation is anything, but there is no interpretation, just any random reaction to an action, always thinking that maybe the judgment could have been better or different, but it is not even like this, you don't know, but you don't know that you don't know, etc.

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Yes, antisoak, I believe in freedom of movement on the planet. You cannot limit peoples' freedom.

Millions arrive and millions leave the USA ... According to U.S. State Department data 4.1 million U.S. citizens have left the USA to live in other countries. That trend will be increasing as the quality of life in the USA declines.

So, I don't care how many millions are moving back and forth across the border ... it makes me happy that people are exercising their freedom and living their dreams!

You, Vlad and ProCon, fighting against the tides of history and against freedom ... and you will not win. You cannot keep people from leaving the USA and you cannot keep people from coming to the USA. You cannot go against freedom of movement. People will find ways and laws cannot stop them.

Yoh... old69, 8man, iesaeff1686c, blgmlesfgl, tegmark et al - and the multitude of warped weird handles just keeps-a-coming - whither goest thou... with your multiple posting personality disorder ??

I’m starting to wish that JHK would reinstate the spam filter to mega-high again, so as to lessen the amount of your mono-syllabic turrets-syndrome latherings... Shame too that one can’t set a filter to race/class/hate obliterate also, as it helps not when Vlad-the-pale-face-vatican-dweeb-obsessed-impaler encourages you...

‘Jibe-ho!’

Its seems the moneymen this week are getting set for pricing in the MENA shenanigans, and ‘rumour’ has it Putin's boyz think it will be a Turk levered kick-off, as you guys have leverage there, maybe the deal is they get the spoils of Northern Iraq, they are the only EU zone nation with a growth rate pulse and a muslim bent too... so religiously it would help...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-16/oil-climbs-from-four-week-low-as-iran-warns-of-hormuz-supply-disruption.html

It’s a high-stakes crap game for sure, to go figure if the USA can/can’t handle the SOH shut off, seems the hawks fave gal, Billary C thinks you can... now that’s gonna be a ‘change’ you’ll have to count on...

‘Tacking... Lee-Ho!’

Hopefully smart white men of a more enlightened kind, might still come to the collective gaia rescue with tech of a nano kind...

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/justin_hall_tipping_freeing_energy_from_the_grid.html

This is a change I would love to believe in...

Be seeing you...


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177908

A person or item is a mix of its appearance, its properties, its functionalities (a nurse ? or pilot ?), the area and context (buildings, rooms, environment, whatever) the person is in, ever changing contexts, meanings, groups (of people), situations (and each situation creating a completely different perceived person, or is that the experience of the perception of the person on behalf of another person ?) (and so many other quirk delimitations) its narrative (of itself and of it related to you or related to any other item, hmmm, an infinite number of stories, or imagined stories of an item, person, feeling, sensation, thought, concept or any chunk of Delimited Information) its narrative and history and story (be verbose, please) related to yourself, or to imagined yourselves, to imagined and real others or sets of others or sets of things, you get the idea. And this person or item can be constantly viewed and judged differently every picosecond (and can judge itself or you or any other item, in a sea of judgments mixing, contrasting, always being wrong, but being all correct since they are always all wrong (or was that the memory of the "person"(which is mainly a monolithic slab of Undistinguished Matter pretending to have Delimitations) or the memory of the story of the person as related to you, or the imagined story of the imagined relation to you (and the imagined story the person could have ? or maybe there is no story) and symbols and judgments and experiences and whatever, an infinite vague recursion)) as in there is no stability as in reality is an instantaneous change of configurations constantly even when you don't want them to change.

Every new block of text is a new atom of Matter as Reality is Information as Metaphysics before demonstrated, the construction of a new material by a never ending set of blocks of texts.

TOBOR THE 8 MAN

The Media is the message

This morning I woke up to the news that the evangelical voters are now considering Romney as the inevitable winner and are planning to vote for him in SC.

It seems the media picked the winner and the folks are falling in line. No more worries about Mormonism, or the lack of trust in Romney's conservatism, its about winning the election and the talking heads have all said it's Romney.

What a fascinating experiment in corralling the will of the people.

Hey slut, do you ph*k alot ? why do you ph*k alot ? why do you do that to me ? why do you pl*y alot with yourself ? you enjoy and I suffer, your pleasure is my pain, why are you killing me and beating me up like this ? help me mommy, get me out of my misery, please help me, don't beat the living daylights out of me, an old sad, sad, impotent man, please, help me...all those hot horny sluts doing all those things, and I rage with anger and envy, I hope no one ever becomes like me...

Jesus Christ, I can't believe what weirdos are on this website, you all have all this deep philosophical theory I furnished y'all to read and study, please study it all very carefully, it will take all your time, please waste your time, I hope you all waste a lot of time so that you finally all have a task to do, and not get bored, Occupy your time by studying all of nameta9's posts on ilovephilosohpy, please, pretty please...


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177908

On parallel universes: not only do they exist, but the very reason they exist (they exist trillion times more deeply and really! deeper and realer! etc.) more than yourself and your pain/pleasure or whatever is exactly because they are metaphysical entities, that are composed of Super Reality, a Hyper Reality (be verbose, please), as they are only mathematical - logical and information relationship entities, a sequence of symbols. And those denote another set of entities ever more abstract, indirect and denoted that means ever more real (a set of symbols then mapped on a set of items like a beach, a mountain, a car spark plug, and then these new items become another set of symbols associated with another more wildly random set of items, in an infinite loop, and infinite recursion), without constraints (without the constraints of our puny ghost like existence based on the identity principle and non contradiction), not even the constraints of existence, not even the constraints of true and false, as these are valid within a very narrow and shallow decoding of our universe by a very primitive, simple and coarse mind, a very rudimentary mind, a simple one transistor mind, while more evolved minds, made up of trillion bit Microprocessors, and wild jet engines shoved in chunks of meat brains, and many other interesting combinations, like wild neutron star chunks with stellar plasma chunks inserted into Processing Matter, as the Matter delimited as an observer becomes the new Brain, as in Brainium, you get the idea...

WTF..? I leave for a while and when I come back weirdos have taken over the comment section...

Re potential US v Iran conflict - just a bunch of tiny-brained cavemen who want to throw nuclear tipped spears.... and I'm not referring to the Iranians. Out.

Age of the Technocrat rule

The technocrats are coming….The technocrats are coming

Celente:[ I am so sick of hearing how, “Oh, this Obama is a socialist. He’s a Marxist.” No he is not. The merger of state and corporate powers is called fascism.]

Nobody expects the bait and switch game that democracy has become. You think you voted in a progressive and you got a technocrat instead. The talking heads last night were complaining that the progressive voters are grousing over Obama not being left wing enough for them.

We all imagined that O was a democrat in the traditional sense and he's really a moderate Republican probably a bit right of Nixon. They deem a centrist on whom we all just super-imposing our imaginary hopes on.

Now let's all become realists--let's all say progressivism is dead and we should all be happy for globalism and anything but free markets, TBTF banks and more loss of jobs. And please get with the program while wealth extraction continues around the globe. At least O is willing to raise taxes on the wealthy… It's all in the bag, my friends.

Now let's see where else on earth the Neoliberal agenda is being imposed: In Zero hedge they are talking about wealth extraction in New Zealand and voter apathy from a polity who has no idea what's going on thanks to their corporate media. You know that wonderful fourth estate which isn't doing it's job---sound familiar?

Celente is talking about the former GS banksters taking the reigns of control in Italy and Greece.
[Where did what’s his name, Draghi come from? Oh he was head of the Goldman Sachs group there in Europe wasn’t he? Member of the Trilateral Commission and a senior member of the Bilderberg. I’m not making this up it is right here in Wikipedia. And how about that guy Papademos over there? Oh yeah, another trilateral member and also a roommate…a roommate of Draghi during college years.]

Ironic that the birthplace of Democracy is now being run by an appointed technocrat, not voted in by the people. It's for their own good, you know.

OH, OK - I see.
Ahmadinejab doesn't want to destroy Israel.
He just wants "regime change." Sure.

He just wants the Israelis to vote in new leadership. That was all BushII ever wanted for Iraq, too. And look how well that went.

You know, with the entire world as pissed off and armored up as it is - this is not a good time for veiled and ambiguous Persian threats.

Threats should be straight up, linear, and served in a crystal clear glass - for all to understand.

"What a fascinating experiment in corralling the will of the people." -lbend-

That's another good one, lbend.

I still think there is no way any of the current crop of Repubs has a prayer (irony intended) of beating Obama.

So is this an experiment in deliberate mass psychological manipulation? Or is it just a mass media quest for public attention and ad dollars.

"Only her hairdresser knows for sure."
"I'd walk a mile for a Camel."
"Hope and Change."

Asoka, thanks for looking up and re-posting that clarification on the so-called Iranian "threat".

BTB will never see it otherwise tho, even tho in the past 20+ years its the only so-called "threat" that Israel can drum up.

Never mind that both the US and Israel threaten Iran almost on a daily basis including the use of nuclear weapons against them.
And as far as I know, Iran has never threatened a first strike against Israel. In fact, I believe that they have forsworn such.

I bet that sometimes the Iranian leaders really do wish they had a nuke or two, just so they could tell the US & Israel to shut the fcuk up and treat them like equals.

Oh well. I am glad to see that you don't foresee a US attack on Iran this year.

Oh, here is the REAL reason the Isrealis don't want Iran to be able to defend itself:
'Nuclear Iran could deter IDF from wars in Gaza, Lebanon'
http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=253998

;)

Oh, here is the REAL reason the Isrealis don't want Iran to be able to defend itself:
'Nuclear Iran could deter IDF from wars in Gaza, Lebanon'
==

I see. A nuclear Iran defends itself by deterring Israel from going after Iranian rockets that rain on Israelis from Gaza and Lebanon on almost a daily basis. Interesting.

Hatred leads to confusion of mind and senses and to mistakes in daily life.
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The reverse in true as well Vlad, that's how you got to where you are.

You desperately needed an alibi for why, with all your superior intellect and all, you didn't become a powerful ubermensch of your childhood dreams.

Only two options once you realized you were pretty insignificant; take responsibility for you failing and admit to delusions of grandeur, or find someone else to blame....guess which one you picked?

We are ourselves excess capacity from the outset: we want more than can be achieved, we want always different, we want cheap thrills, a never ending flow of new bits (or at least we can dream about it, or think about, fantasize about it, or talk and write about it, everything but really applying and having and doing in practice because the bandwidth of reality is so much more narrower than our never ending thirst-hunger for it all but that is why communications, the virtual, and TV and all, Information in general is so fashionable today: it discharges the excess capacity our Man brains have been programmed to contain (in terms of desire, inventions, always new information bits, new comparisons, "News" in general, "economic crisis adventures" (invented or real ? who knows ) through cultural artifacts such as time awareness (the need to fill it up somehow), production, always something "new" (therefore "exciting" ? or we just make believe and brainwash ourselves that it is new and exciting ? self autoprogramming mental computer programs...) ) new bits to contain in our mind, manipulate and produce other new bits.

We are too much for ourselves and reality, we are oversized information hogs, oversized novelty desiring machines. Excitement searching machines (even if just slightly or barely ? some football game ?), hence the hire and fire, restructure, always change mentality. A prisoner of inherent excess capacity in terms of information content and processing capacity. Maybe we need to kill our memory, erase it all so we just loop around a few bits over and over again forever and free our minds forever...

Have you seen his book, Contemplative Science: Where Buddhism and Neuroscience Converge (Columbia Series in Science and Religion)
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Just ordered it this weekend, ironically. Probably mostly things I've covered already, but what the heck.

If you really get interested in the topic, consider "Irreducible Mind", a real tome, but worth the read to those who find the topic engrossing.

Once neuroscience gets over its materialist hangover, science and religion will have a chance to converge. If we don't kill ourselves first.

BeanTownBill;

Pretty good posts yesterday. On the other hand, there's is no need for you to defend your heritage and Israel's existence to the anti Semites, cranks, Islamists, Commie-Marxists, anti Americans, west deconstructionists, and Nazis who frequent this site and seem to be attracted to the subject of Peak Oil. Its a waste of time.

Both major political parties in the US support Israel, as does most of the majority population. Israel will be defended against any existential threats by a US Navy that is still ubiquitous and powerful.

--WSP7

Boredom leads to the need of excitement, boredom is a cultural artifact we are programmed with.


Boredom leads to the need of excitement, boredom is a cultural artifact we are programmed with.

Boredom leads to the need of excitement, boredom is a cultural artifact we are programmed with.


Boredom leads to the need of excitement, boredom is a cultural artifact we are programmed with.


For those who blame corporate greed for the financial mess, I would like to ask, did greed not exist before and then suddenly appear in 2006?

Greed has always existed yet financial calamities such as the one that struck in 2008 have not always been the norm. So what triggered this disaster, that is the question.

My contention is that those on the left have part of the explanation and those on the right have part.

For one thing: The low interest rate policy of the Fed. Manipulation of the economy by our central is something generally favored by the establishment left and opposed by the right. Setting interest rates artificially low encouraged reckless lending practices.

Lack of adequate regulation played a huge part too. On this the left is correct and the right is wrong. (Paulites claim that under a true free market system we would not have these financial disasters. Who knows. That is an academic point. The system we have now does require regulation.

It is kind of like immigration policy. Libertarians claim that open-borders immigration policy is compatible with their utopian model of society. However, they acknowledge that open-borders policies are disastrous so long as you have social programs. It is an academic point whether a system of no social programs would create a utopia (I suspect it would be quite the reverse), but the point is that Libertarians cannot honestly advocate open-borders policies so long as there are social programs. Likewise, as long as we have our heavily centrally-controlled economy, Libertarians cannot honestly claim that an unregulated banking system could possibly be a desirable thing.

Another factor was bailouts. Knowing they could take huge risks and have the government bail them out if things went sour was another factor that contributed to recklessness by the banks. On this one the far left and far right are correct, bailouts are wrong. The establishment, both liberal and conservative (remember, Nancy Pelosi blasted Tea Party Republicans who voted against the bank bailouts for being "irresponsible")

I wasn't saying anything about the general election. In fact, I'm not convinced that the Reps want to win the election. They would prob. want Obama to do their work for them, constantly pushing him further right, while constantly saying he's a European socialist.

I was saying that those who claim to care so much about their conservative values, their religious beliefs against Mormonism and think Romney is a phony --a liberal Republican posing as a right-winger are planning to vote for him in this set of primaries according to polls.

why is the quality of life in the US declining? Going with your logic the less white it becomes the better the quality of life should be. Only , the opposite is true. but I'm with you on the tide of history. As white populations decline so will the quality of life. Trying to equalilize outcomes is a game plan for failure.

bustinj quotes how low we are in eductional ranking. i wonder where we stood in 1960. I read where we spend the second most per student so it is not a matter of money. It is a matter of who's pocket it is going in and what they trying to accomplish.

Take some courses in reading comprehension.

Dear Jim,
Good post! but, If the U.S. makes the fatal flaw of going nuclear, and turning Teheran into an ashtray, then the fallout from this folly will likely be massive unrest and protest internally and in the societies of our allies.
It will probably galvanize currently balkanized Muslim moderates, regardless of whatever branch of Islam they belong to, and push them to the political extremities. Those already on the edge will be motivated to violence, which is likely to make the memory of Al-Qaeda seem like the 'boy scouts'.
At that point, the pressures on both Russia and China to step forward would factor in as an ENORMOUS percentage.
Hey, can't we all just 'get along'?

Excuse me while I Vomit on the Internet. PLease scroll over the following block of text (actually all of my blocks) unless you have time to waste, but since you all have time to waste and are all useless slobs, please waste all your time reading my BS, drivel and trype. Pretty please, waste all of you time.

So experiences and people and events are like a language, the same person in a situation for you may be perfect, but in a slightly different situation completely invisible or in another slightly different totally in love or whatever. The point is the events and environments and situations and people are all tags of a language, all words so to say, and can change and mix and match, and in your head can be connected in such a way to mean something and a moment after connected in another way to mean something different, and the other person or group can create a different sequence of imaginary symbols with the same input to mean something different still and the two sequences may be not synchronized, and be disjoint, hence misunderstandings, etc.

The law of conservation of experience, it doesn't matter if you do something with a lot of different items (like building things by hand) or just shuffle 2 or 3 bits all day long, the experiences are always equivalent, there is no richer or poorer life according to how many different items and manipulations there are, it is all the same, the experience is simply the organism living without further meannings we try to apply.

Hey Kramp, why did you kill tzatza and cash and marlin ? why don't you kill the APE, I am sick and tired of him telling me to shove a jet engine in my brain to enter another universe.


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177908

Generalized will power and opposition to will powers, it doesn't matter what face is behind a will power, it only matters that it is an opposition to yours...the euro downgrading is simple, it is just one will power against another, one stronger power deciding against a weaker, simple, a one transistor circuit, nothing further to analyze...

It wasn't Vlad, that was me. And no, the internet is not where the facts are. The internet where you will find catalogs and references to books (sometimes the books themselves) where the facts are.
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Yes, well...perhaps you could enlighten us with the erudite sources which state that Hitler and Stalin were working together in some sort of Papist plot during WWII.

There is an old saying: extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. So far you've presented nothing, except to tell us in the manner of the X-files; "the truth is out there"

Most of us don't have the time to spend chasing down every bat shit crazy notion that pops into the heads of some of the folks that choose to vent around here.

I sure you're from the same school as Vlad on this count however, dwelling in the fact free zone, willing to believe what ever 'feels right' to you, or in Vlad's case, whatever excuses his miserable life performance.

why is the quality of life in the US declining?
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1. overpopulation
2. structural issues requiring change
3. a political system incapable of change
4. corruption

In any event, I like your objectivity and direct style, dale.
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Fair enough on the sourcing issue, but I'm not buying the Iranians have some sort of ace-in-the hole, although I don't doubt they would like us to think so.

Periodically I run out of patience with some of the sloppy, weak minded, undisciplined thinking around here and manifest in my wrathful emanation. Actually, I supress it for the most part, or I would have burned twits like Vlad to a crisp long ago.

Perhaps not the best side of my nature, but there it is, and I'm not going to make any excuses for it.

BTW, don't you just have a feel for how Vlad is going to reincarnate? hehehe....

5. ethnic balkanization
6. coporate globalism
7. a traitorous elite

Rhino, it came from France in the form of Khomeini. - Asoka

I learned something today. That it's all to do with France, that Ayatollah Khomeini is a product of France and French culture and education and upbringing, that it's French mentors that instilled his zeal, that Khomeini's years of education and experience in Iran are irrelevant, that the Iranian theocracy is of French origin via Khomeini, that Islam as a historical and religious factor is irrelevant, that Iranians are bystanders and that Iranian history and culture are inconsequential in all this.

OK good. What else can you tell me?

The Iranians want freedom and will change Iran to have freedom, if allowed to do so. - Asoka

"...if allowed to do so..." LMFAO, what the hell are Iranians? Children needing permission? Let's not be fucking ridiculous.

Iran has weapons the USA does not know about and cannot defend against. - Asoka

Didn't you and I agree about a week ago that you're full of shit?

No? Did I misunderstand? OK, my bad, I guess I misunderstood.

But do tell us again how YOU would know about secret Iranian military capabilities.

Asoka, the Iranian military insider, the confidant of the Ayatollahs and the Iranian general staff.

Please hurry, we can't wait. Or at least I can't.

Gee Dale, The Dems opened the floodgates in 1965
and 'we' have added 130 million people since then!
And Clinton signed NAFTA that spelled the end of the middle class here.
Overpopulation by design.
See 'CRIMES OF THE TIMES' blogspot for more.

8. more corruption

Were the Huffingtons or 1 of them deep in East Timor oil and the killings there?
Arianas father in law?

Narrow Bandwidth Life

There is really not much you can do practically. You can go to the movies, go eat out, buy some crap, watch TV, take some trips to BRAZIL or JAPAN (but the enitre world is the same Standard International building styles (see street view google map), boxes, or some pseudo suburbs, some midrises, some highrises, end of story) and a few other things (play sports) but that is it. So then what ? Well that is where Information comes in: it expands the bandwidth of life which deals us a very low bandwidth life naturally, there is not much you are supposed to do in life, probably mostly sleep like other animals. But this Information, and further the language, thoughts, fights, and all of the "Drama" between people make it more lively, more interesting, etc.

But we are at a crossroad today: even Information, video games, movies and internet crap is no longer enough (we get bored fast, eveything becomes old fast): we know that we must go forward but we are afraid. And what are we afraid of ? Of directly manipulating our mind, our brain structure, changing the very circuits that force us "to do something", that "get us bored", or that "get us unsatisfied" change all of our logic and memory structures (messing them up as much as possible, make it go wild, break it, make it so that you can't go back to where you started, irreversible transitions or phase transitions or transformations). And this is where the Instant Singularity comes in: design new brains, design all kinds of wild combinations as wicked as possible, let little childen design schematics and block diagrams of new brains that will then have new experiences (and enter new universe with new laws of physics and where Matter undegoes new Experiences). Dump this stone age contraption natural evolution dealt us, and tell Nature to go take a hike.

But you still haven't explained to us how it's in the interest of immigrants (legal and the undocumented) and the already resident population of the USA for the American govt to have an open border policy wrt immigration at the same time as American captains of industry are exporting millions of good paying jobs via offshoring.

Get back to us asap. We're still waiting on this and have been for a couple of weeks.

INFLATION [PRINTING $]
POLLUTION
CRIME [and we know who does the violent crimes]
HUGE GOVT
MILITARY
OPEN BORDERS

...it is not a matter of money. - Boss

Right on. IMO it's a matter of having parents that give a damn. Maybe not quite as nuts as the Amy Chuas of the world but somewhere in between the Amy's and where things are at now.

Just google it. Google: "Stalin and Jesuits" or "Hitler and Jesuits". Why are you so lazy? There's tons of material on this.

But that's only part of the story. You need to understand the thread of history to understand the deceptions and why they occur. Eric Phelps in his book Vatican Assassins, does a good job piecing together some of this material and their historical context. He provides hundreds of references, photos, etc. Another good source is Anthony Sutton. He produced volumes and volumes on this.

The problem is that you've been emotionally conditioned to automatically reject everything that does not jibe with the official propaganda narrative. What you see and know is only a small portion of the truth. That small portion, though in some instances it might be accurate, is completely misleading and completely misrepresents reality. These guys that sell you the official narrative are professional at this kind of lying and propaganda. Still, you must be a really dumb fsck to believe any of it.

5. ethnic balkanization
6. coporate globalism
7. a traitorous elite - Boss

Yer hittin' homers.

So's anti-soak. And Dale has some good points. It's hard to imagine a lot of what you and Dale and Anti have come up with without the traitorous elite to help it along. Mind you a docile populace that acquiesces in all of it doesn't hurt either.

But alas, we will never know what we want (or I will never know), first I want A, then not A, but then again maybe B, etc. And every new path, every new transition point, decision point brings forth new things to want and not want, always changing ideas, judgment, evaluations, always going back and forth and up and down and everywhere and anywhere, always new actions and reactions. We will never know what we want, indecision, confusion, change, but I wanted that ? no, maybe that, but I will change my mind ? no, I am now this and so on forever. So what gives ? I will always be confused and never know what I want and always know what I want and always change my mind and never change my mind....

Wow, Bustin, I'm really surprised at your callous attitude towards mass murder. This is not like your usual contrarian stance towards US culture. On this, you're falling right into the genocidal mindset of the average American.

I yield to no one in my dislike for fundamentalist religion. But to say that the victims of fundamentalists should be killed for their own good is a bizarre stretch.

It sounds almost Christian for you to say destroy the country in order to save it. Sure, you don't believe in killing them all and letting God sort them out. You just believe in killing them all.

I am appalled by what happened to the people of Iran when they overthrew the US backed Shah and then were saddled with crazy fundamentalists.

My son's best friend for a while was Iranian. And an atheist. When he announced that he was going back to Iran, I strongly advised him against it, for the very reason that I was afraid for his safety.

But bombing them? That's just too horrible to contemplate.

It's always fascinating to watch the mighty wurlitzer play the minds of the American public.

Turn a knob here and they're screaming for Iranian heads. Turn that knob down and turn up the Pakistan knob and watch the crowd turn.

Rommey the Mormon being elected by Republicans. That is amazing.

But so was a black guy named Barack Hussein Obama.

Especially just after Americans had been conditioned to hate the name Husssein.

All they did was turn down that knob, and turn up the ain't-America-great-we're-so-non-racist knob.

And here we are with a blackface on the Wall Street agenda in the White House.

Yes, they did try to clear it up, but if Iran issues a clarification, and the corporate media doesn't report it, did it happen?

No, not in American minds.

I agree with asoka on this one.

Somehow the voices of reason have stopped the US aggression toward Iran, at least for now.

We've been listening to the mighty Wurlitzer demonize Iran for weeks now, with dire predictions and blustery threats.

Including the orwellian threat of the US using nuclear weapons (the usual "all options are on the table") to stop the Iranians from someday getting such weapons. Bizarre.

But, now the US is blaming Israel for all the threats, and releasing statements that the US, like a wagoneer bracing himself against the buckboard pulling on the reins of the runaway team, is doing its best to stop those crazy Israelis from bombing Iran.

Oh, and they're dropping plans to hold war games off the coast of Iran.

So it looks like cooler heads have prevailed again. As they did in 2007.

But as long as Iran has oil and an independent foreign policy, they will be at risk.

As Marlin pointed out, the official US policy is that Middle East oil belongs to the USA, and we give ourselves the "right" to kill anyone to get it.

You gotta hand it to the Iranians for their sense of humor. I just read that in response to the U.S. government asking for the return of the crashed drone the Iranian government will be sending the White House a $4 toy replica.

Thanks, k-dog, and congratulations on your evolving web skills.

Didn't you and I agree about a week ago that you're full of shit?

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I don't think we agreed. But, upon further reflection, you may be right.

I apologize if it bothers you that a weapon might exist which you do not know about.

k-dog, thank you for teaching me about anchor tags. Cool!

I just read that in response to the U.S. government asking for the return of the crashed drone the Iranian government will be sending the White House a $4 toy replica.

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Made in the USA, I hope.

And Clinton signed NAFTA that spelled the end of the middle class here.
Overpopulation by design.
See 'CRIMES OF THE TIMES' blogspot for more.
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agree on NAFTA, but over population is a worldwide phenomenon, with immigration here only a reflection of it.

Anti is right: the offical position and policies are insane yet that's where you lay your head. You like the world and your position and you want Enlightenment as another notch in your belt and item on your resume. Thus any talk about the world not being as it seems hits you hard - even though that's what Buddhism is all about.

What if I am poor and unsuccesful? Do you despise all poor people? Or just those with fair skin? We both know the answer to that I think. And how do you know what I don't take responsibility for?

Why do YOU apologize Asoka? Are you to blame for this um secret weapon (that might exist)?

Are you going to tell us what it is (or might be)? Just give us a hint. Please, oh pretty please, with sugar on top.

Sorry. No weapons for you.

Eric Phelps in his book Vatican Assassins, does a good job piecing together some of this material and their historical context.
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Yes, Eric Phelps, talk show nutjob, who among other absurdities, believes the Jesuits have hatched a plot to cast "professional sports" on us all, and naturally they were responsible for killing JFK (a requirement apparently, of every crazy conspiracy theory in creation) Not sure if he also believes the Jesuits are reptilian alian overlords or not, but in the same general class of wackadoodledo.

Thanks for at least having the courage (if that's what it is) to post your "source", that's more than we can say for Vlad. But seriously, no one who can catch even a glimpse of reality from some corner of their mind, would bother to consider this nonsense of value.

See below for a few laughs.

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Eric_Jon_Phelps

And how do you know what I don't take responsibility for?
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That you have drawn for us here in vivid colors.

WTF are you talking about. US being the biggest threat.

in what way ?

You are Very Wrong. IMHO.

If you think WE are a threat, go live in europe.

get the fuck out.

this post pisses me off. i am glad the poster was able to post it tho. free speech.

whatev.

or better yet another planet !

Way to go Jackie. Put on the brass knucks.

But Please, let me step back now, and watch you and Vlad debate the "competing merits" of whether it is the Jews who have hatched a fiendish 500 year old plot to distroy Western Civilization, or the Jesuits.

I'm all ears.....Pass the popcorn.

You still haven't gotten back to us. Maybe you missed it. Here it is again:

"But you still haven't explained to us how it's in the interest of immigrants (legal and the undocumented) and the already resident population of the USA for the American govt to have an open border policy wrt immigration at the same time as American captains of industry are exporting millions of good paying jobs via offshoring." - Rhino

You suppport a destructive immigration policy. Why?

I'll explain my puzzlement at your stance: getting a job, making mortgage payments and buying food. Not inconsequential matters don't you think? Add to that a reasonable future for the little ones. Do you have little ones Asoka? Do you have kinfolk? Presumably you have one or the other or maybe both. So why do you want to screw them up?

Marlin, I'd like to believe what you say is true. It's just that I see so many anti-Israel posts here, and so few pro ones that I wonder if that's the way it is across the country.

I'm an American, for better or worse. I don't live my life being involved with all things Israel, but I am concerned about it's survivability, just as I'm concerned about America's. But I don't stay up at night worrying.

If life became unbearable here, say, kind of gulag-like, I could see me trying to get out. But other than that extreme, I was born in America and I'll die in America. I won't run away just because things aren't going well here, like some other pussies who have already done so.

Semper fi (I've never been a marine, but the phrase is a good one, literally).

What Eric Phelps does in his Vatican Assassins is aggregate or gather dispersed materials and sources already in existence. He adds nothing original of his own. All he does is provide you the quotes and references to the books from which he draws the material.

Your disparaging remarks smell of desperation and denial.


Good post. But I would carry your argument a step further. Just like technological advancement increases exponentially, then why not greed? Sure, greed has always been around, it's an unfortunate human trait, but as more and more time passed without greed being punished, the greedy got much greedier, until the American superstructure became strained and disfunctional.

How much power and money do people and institutions really need? Greed unpunished is greed rewarded.

So because NAFTA hurt other countries it's bad but because illegal immigration hurts America it's "just a reflection" and therefore fine.

No wonder you get along with Asoka most of the time.

Hey, Dale, me too. Sometimes I just get tired of the same unthinking bullshit that appears here, and I vent.

Your kind of mindless war mongering is among the worst parts of America. And of course your Jews good/Whites bad unless they serve Israel is pure evil. It's the philosophy of a dog not a man. Your kind of attitude is what lead to the attack upon the Liberty and subsequent cover up - and Johnson's telling the Air Force to let the Israelis sink it. That is an abomination.

Your Country is not the same as the goverment. Someone once said I love my Country right or wrong. Someone else corrected him: My Country right or wrong - if right to be kept right. If wrong, to be put right.

People are awakening Bill. We're sick of the absolute power of the Israel Lobby in our foreign policy. It's a good thing. Now just admit your allegiance to America is only as deep as its submission to Israel.

I saw a great video of a two Jewish couples coming out of a night at their local ADL. They said America was the spouse but Israel the child. Which committment is deeper?

I accused him of this once and he denied it - but he assents to it at his leisure. And let's face it, you would enjoy it as well. Glad your principles sometimes reign you in.

It's affected, not effected. And no, I'm not the old guy who used to scan this blog, living only to correct other people. Affect/effect and lay/lie are particular pet peeves so I won't be stalking you for random mistakes or typos.

My son-in-law is currently battling Ohio to get unemployment benefits. He's in construction and while this has been a mild winter, it's finally over. Construction itself is probably dead which is too bad as he's great at what he does and is a terrific worker. Ohio's argument is primarily that the state is broke and it's your fault anyway. They have set so many barriers up that he spends 4-6 hours a day trying to fill out forms to their specifications and complete it within impossible time limits. If all else fails, they disconnect and he loses his place in line which is grounds for warfare in my opinion. Anyway, my point (finally) is that unemployment is not necessarily automatic and you have to shed some blood to the state before you get anything.

Vlad, Aunt Jemima is becoming slightly more white in appearance, so guess we're celebrating the year of the Great Mulatto. Yippee....

Prog, Antisoak, Rhino, is there a little ground swell of common sense and pragmatism breaking out on CFN today.

Dale....

heres yr post..it SPECIFICALLY refers to USA..
aand as you may know immigration to 'white' countires encourages 'overpopulation' in non white countires...for many reasons..
did you know Mexicans here have larger families than mexican mamams in mexico?

here:

dale replied to comment from bossier22
why is the quality of life in the US declining?
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1. overpopulation
2. structural issues requiring change
3. a political system incapable of change
4. corruption

When I saw you link to the CofCC, I thought I had pulled you over to the Dark Side at last. But then you say Happy MLK day! Such perversity. Ah well the, my work is not yet complete. Have you not at least glimpsed the glory of the dark side? And surely you observed how many Assholes exist on the Right Hand of God as Marc has observed?

Here's the secret: the Left Handed Path starts higher. You have to go thru the Right first in general. So most lose their way long before they get there - in self indulgence. Just as most Righties lose their way higher up and never get over themselves as being "good people". Morality is a necessary and also a trap for the unwary.

The darkness is just the weakness of our eyes to comprehend unendurable light. Read!

http://takimag.com/article/im_so_bored_with_mlk#axzz1jU5a6rY2

It's true, people are awakening me. Just this morning a telemarketer got me out of a deep sleep. I must be very lucky - I'm on the winning side of the power equation. Since Israel runs the US and I'm Jewish.....

You suppport a destructive immigration policy. Why?

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Rhino, I have spelled it out in many posts. I'm not going to repeat all the reasons for you.

Besides, what Asoka wants is irrelevant. Fact is we have an immigration policy, we have a border patrol, we have dozens of government agencies, including huge ones like Homeland Security. You want big government to go after immigrants, that's what we have happening right now.

Billions are being spent on protecting the borders, rounding up immigrants, etc. Obama has deported more immigrants in three years than Bush did in eight years.

You can relax. No one is listening to me.

Jim

CDS were never meant to pay out. Banksta A says to Banker B "You cover my paper and I cover yours, both our balance sheets look better that way." Since they each owe the other, there is zero net effect. When it comes to CDS that are casino bets, since the CDS writer defines default, default will never happen for CDS purposes.

I suspect the saber rattling at Iran was/is more about correcting a falling oil price than immediate military action. I am not "in the big club" so i could be wrong, and it may be time for the cruise missle guys to get new orders.

When it is time, likely some "missing" nukes could be exploded in various cities, and blamed on Iran. How can war be opposed with the country who just nuked the victim cities? Still i don't see how they can keep Russia and China off the board.

English speaking Wikipedia to shut down tomorrow in protest against proposed legislation to censor the internet - supposedly for our benefit of course. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/English_Wikipedia_anti-SOPA_blackout

Jews are humorous people and I often enjoy it - not when Sarah Silverman and Co mock Christ's agony though. Or when what's her name said she wanted to get some of her Black Brothers to rape Sarah Palin.

It's funny when Sarah Silverman joke about Jewish control of Hollywood and the Media. But it doesn't cease to be true. "Funny" is not a logical proof but in fact a logical fallacy just as much as ad hominem, or arguing from what "everyone knows" or consensus like Dale always does.

Remember how hilarious you thought my idea of comic book heroes as golems was? And how you viciously mocked me (good buddhist!) as usual? And asked me for my sources etc?

That time a source just fell into my hand and I posted it for you. And predictably, you just ignored it like you always do when proven wrong.

Comic Books have been dominated by Jews and the super heroes they create reflect this and the directions they want America to go. They are imaginary golems like the giant created by Rabbi Loew to protect the Jews of Prague. But imagination is very real - and their creations effected generations of young Americans.

Get some integrity, clown.

bill, i don t have a dog in this fight, but let me point out that the appearance alone of impropriety may have something to do with anti-israeli sentiment...for example, it is hard to remember the mortar shells, which are impersonal to a degree, when the prevailing image is of teenagers throwing rocks and molotov cocktails at tanks; or helicopter gunships strafing hospitals etc...keep in mind that the arab world sees occupation and invasion where you see defense and retaliation...personally, i think you are both wrong; at some point it must be accepted that thousands of years of persecution and strife are enough already, and a new timeline must begin...again bill, dog, fight; two thousand wrongs don t make one right...as to the charges of 'lobbying and control', i believe that goes on; but we can all see that from ANY interest group, and if honest with ourselves, singling out israel from all the corporations etc is disingenuous at best and only serves to cloud the issue of influence peddling as a whole...let me ask you this- do you believe the palestinian people (not hamas or other militants) could be given assurance of their homes, with most of the 'settlements' turned over and no further incursions, would accept peaceful terms and conditions? how about the average israeli, do they want war to the exclusion of compromise...?

I know how you feel. No one listens to me either, unless I come up with a corker of a bad idea. I have been in trouble a couple of times when my friends have gone along with a one of those. Fortunately it was nothing serious.

Vlad, why don't you move to the Vatican? There be no Jews in the Vatican, though one or two token blacks. You can't get along with woman. You worship authority and nazis/fascists. It would be perfect for you.

keep in mind that the arab world sees occupation and invasion where you see defense and retaliation
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That's actually false. The arab population at large, despite the propaganda on their state media, knows the score, and they know that the Jewish land that they stole with British help belongs to us.

"Knowledge of the arcane separates the men from the boys in the study of politics."

This week's understatement.

arcane

hidden, secret, cabalistic, esoteric, impenetrable, mysterious, mystic, occult, recondite, unaccountable, unknowable

CFT, I agree that this 4000 year enmity should be ended. In modern times a lot of the blame should go to 3rd parties like Britain, which carved up the area with no regard to traditional tribal boundaries.

I think the Israelis just want to be left alone. As long as they feel threatened by countries and organizations that not only won't recognize its existence, but also call for its destruction as a basis of their charter (PLO, for example), they will not be willing to cede any more of the land they won in 1967.

My own opinion is that in order to grant the Palestinian people their own land and country, Israel's neighbors must be willing to grant Israel its right to exist as a nation. It doesn't matter who was there first, Israeli Jews are not going to leave the region, that's a fait accompli. So everyone can diplomatically recognize everyone else, and then the Palestinians can get what they want. If arab shelling and bombings cease, there would be no need for Israeli incursions.

However, one thing is non-negotiable:

Israel will never split up Jerusalem.


Hey, that's a great idea!

Damn, you all got the drop on me this week. I can't read all these dang comments! Can someone please post a summary at the end of the week on what you all decide and/or agree upon?

Vlad, why don't you move to the Vatican?

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I don't think they would let him into the Vatican, (which is actually Vatican City, with an area of 110 acres and has a population of 800) but he could move to Rome.

Italy is a great country. The Italians are beautiful people.

Vlad could be happy there, especially if he doesn't mind a bit of olive-skinned Mediterranean skin coloring.

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I'm going with "unaccountable" ... there's no accounting for what pops into my head. If God created the neurotransmitters, God is to blame.

I think it's good idea that something irritates one of these psychos once in awhile enough that they stop hiding behind this compassion horseshit and you can see these creeps for what they really are, haters. The liberal wacko left despises ordinary people, they'e fat, they have tattoos, they joined the military, they believe in Jeeezus, the left is a bunch of little snots looking down their noses at just about everybody.

Butt plugging little bitches.

And they don't care about blacks either, that's just a lot of crap, otherwise they would have never allowed every Goddamn Mexican to come here and bust unions and take jobs away from the working classes.

LOL! One of your funniest posts!

Mexicans? Sounds like you are a hater, probably a Red diaper doper baby.

they know that the Jewish land that they stole with British help belongs to us.

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Should all of that land be given back to Israel?

What countries should be given over to Israeli control?

How much "Lebensraum" does Israel need?

well curl my toes and call me a rafter-monkey, that makes sense...! so what s the hold up? (rhetorical question...) i hadn t considered the third party aspect; that illuminates a bit, too- admittedly, i m not all that well informed on local politics, as it has been about 25 years since world history; i ve mostly just gleaned what i could from M$M & public tv- and even frontline has to be taken with a pillar of salt, ha ha i was under the impression that jerusalem has always been jewish (if that s the correct term)- is somebody else claiming it?

Humor is a weapon that the Enemy uses to great effect. As Betrand Russell said, many funny men think that their wit makes them wise, but it is not so. High IQ is probably a prerequiste for a good sense of humor, but as we know, many smarties are complete fools.

The Brits gave you Palestine - after putting down the Arab revolt. And then you used terrorism on your benefactors. And now you pretend that they never helped you only hurt you. History is just cognitive terrorism for you people.

If only you were this smart...butt pluging little bitches indeed.

Trying to remember last time you disagreed with Mika. Why, I don't think you ever have - even when he's calling us all blue eyed reptiles and threatening genocide. Not that you believe that but yet you don't disagree. Strange. It couldn't be that you don't because you're both Jewish? I mean that would be awfully primitive and protective and mean that you're not the gentleman Prog thinks you are.

heres yr post..it SPECIFICALLY refers to USA..
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Well, ya got me thar matey! HARHAR. Could it be that overpopulation is a problem both in the US and the rest of the world? If that answers whatever the fuck point you were trying to make.

Your disparaging remarks smell of desperation and denial.
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Eric Phelps is your source, and I'M desperate? Did you graduate from grammer school?

Remember how hilarious you thought my idea of comic book heroes as golems was? And how you viciously mocked me (good buddhist!) as usual? And asked me for my sources etc?
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I have no idea what the fuck you are talkiing about in your first sentence....as for the rest of it....as usual when your nonsense gets adequately pointed out to be what it is, you get all weepy and think you are being abused. BTW you still haven't posted any sources, but like I said, you don't have metuseleh's guts. Ubertwerp.

So because NAFTA hurt other countries it's bad but because illegal immigration hurts America it's "just a reflection" and therefore fine.
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I've always been consistent that NAFTA is unfair to American workers (see point four in my four point "manifesto") Man! I've always wanted to have a Manifesto!

i ll take a swing at it now:
jim has tried to warn us of tomfoolery and
shenannigans in yet another slice of the pie...
some of us have taken heart; some tried to pick him apart by saying "again?"
in no particular order, and by no means all-inclusive:
asoka has stayed true to form, and is all over the planet
progress2conserve still wants people to stay on their parts of the planet, at least until there is some good reason for them to come here
wage laborer still gets called a communist for thinking there should be some kind of fairness and equity imposed on this mess
vladdikins still gets called nazi; the latest is CIA shill, and he s moving to italy so as to be closer to the vatican/jesuit/lizard conspiracy
metuselah still has a hard-on for said vatican/jesuit/lizard conspiracy
tegmark the robot maneater is still crazy as a shithouse rat with schizophrenia
some jackass is still trying to sell us fur coats and naugahyde shoes from east asia with no real success
the usual suspects keep arguing back and forth about whether or not there is a dog, and if so will we ever get some sleep
others can t seem to agree whether our fearless leaders are going to start WWWIII, or let iran do it for us
there have been some intelligent and insightful comments so far, much like any other week- i ll let you separate the wheat from the chaff as far as that goes

I HOPE I HAVEN T OFFENDED ANYONE EITHER BY INCLUDING OR EXCLUDING YOU FROM THIS SUMMATION
(it is, after all, intended as a tongue-in-cheek review)

Comic Books have been dominated by Jews and the super heroes they create reflect this and the directions they want America to go.
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Oh....I see... comic books, that's your source.

Seriously Vlad, now comic books are an evil jewish plot? Been seeing a number of alien reptilian overlords lately, have ya?

"Marlin, I'd like to believe what you say is true. It's just that I see so many anti-Israel posts here, and so few pro ones that I wonder if that's the way it is across the country."
-beantownbill-

Bill, first of all, I would be cautious extrapolating the demographic of posters here as a proxy for the sentiments of the population of the United States at large. A representative sampling, we are not. (P2C now wins understatement of the year award for January.)

And this website is hemmed in between two posters, like logical bookends.

Vlad - everything bad in the world is purely the fault of a Jewish conspiracy.

Mika/Metuselah - nothing bad in the world can be the fault of a Jewish conspiracy, because it is all the fault of a Vatican conspiracy.

Very interesting.
Keep posting, Bill, you're on a roll.

"i ll take a swing at it now"
-charlieF, preparing a summary for turkle-

WOW! That's beautiful, CF, a magnificent summary of a typical week.

Bill, Metuselah, anyone else interested.
As sometimes happens - there's a Fred for this.
One of these days I'll share a story or two to try to prove my non-antisemitic credentials.

Posting this guy probably doesn't help that case all that much. But Fred just sounds like a realist to me. If he's demonstrating antisemitism in this column, somebody is going to have to point it out to me.
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Israel.shtml
It's well worth reading. Some of it is even funny, about how the US Congress is for sale to the highest bidder. Here's an excerpt of some less funny parts:

"Why does Israel.....? Because it can. Why can it? Because America is its enabler. Israel has a huge air force because America gives it airplanes. Nobody else would. Its economy stays afloat because America gives it money. If it wants to bomb somebody, the US keeps the world from stopping it. If it loses a war, which it did in ’73, the US bails it out. Israel can always say, “If you don’t like it, I’ll make my big brother beat you up.”

"Can anything shake ..... Washington? Yep. Money. Oil. Twelve dollar gas. The American public is the most clueless in the First World, but it knows the price of gas. So far, AIPAC has had an easy ride because Israel hasn’t really cost much: a few billion a year in aid, some vetoes in the UN, and a bunch of angry ragtops growling on their sand dunes. This doesn’t affect folks back in the district. You can do anything you want in Washington as long as people back home are comfortable." -fred-

#B >]

Thank you Prog and Fred. Exactly what I said. It's not for nothing that the Jews have been thrown out of every European Country at one time or another. And of course, just like the guy whose been thrown out of every bar in town, it's always someone else's fault in each and every case. He's COMPLETELY innocent - always of everything. Not 50/50, 60/40, 70/30, 99/1 - NO! Fucking 100% innocent of everything. And then they wonder why we don't believe them about anything.

CFT, that was an excellent summary. I am, indeed, all over the planet. No problem with your characterization. Very perceptive.

Btw, I never said that Whites bear no responsibility for the state of America and the West. Unlike Mika I'm capable of subtlety. But are you capable of appreciating it?

But imagination is very real - and their creations effected generations of young Americans.

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This a typical non-statement, completely lacking in meaning. Vlad appears to intend to implicate Jews in something nefarious.

Jewish creations "effected" [sic] generations of young Americans? How? Positively?

No indication of what the effects were? No evidence offered that there were any effects at all?

Just smear the Jews because they supposedly created comic books (no proof of even that assertion).

Really lame, Vlad.

   According to Voice of the economy, "World Finance" report, following the 6th and in Paris after meeting Italian Prime Minister Monty, French President Nicolas Sarkozy said that he and German Chancellor Angela Merkel will be in Rome on 20 October to meet with Monty .
   In Italy and France cut the deficit to dispel people who challenged the program created a new war, the Rome Conference will make three deep crisis in the euro zone's largest economy together. wedding dress
 

   According to the Saudi "Economic Daily" reported that Saudi oil minister Ali Naimi has said the current crude oil production capacity of Saudi Arabia about 1250 barrels / day, exports remained at about 900-1000 million barrels / day. Saudi Arabia is ready to make up for any oil supply gap in the market, Saudi Arabia's oil production will be based on market supply and demand adjust. Saudi Aramco, said the former senior vice president of Sada De, OPEC crude oil production capacity can compensate for the international market due to the embargo Iran's crude oil supply shortfall occurs, the remaining Saudi crude oil production capacity up to 250 million barrels / day, and Iranian Oil exports only 200 million barrels / day, Saudi spare capacity of a country is enough to solve this problem, while other OPEC members will be added to the increase in the coming weeks. bridal dress
 

My points similar to P2C and Pat Buchanan's..
That we cant control the world but we can easily
control the borders, except the power elite dont want us to.

NO! Fucking 100% innocent of everything. And then they wonder why we don't believe them about anything.

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With antisemitics like you the very fact of being Jewish implies guilt of something, not innocence. Your prejudice is ugly.

Being Jewish is not indicative of anything other than being human. There is diversity among Jews and you are falsely painting all Jews with a broad brush. Your antisemitism is ugly.

USA DECLINE....Ya can only add so much 'Third World'
to the population before a tipping point is reach and viola, 3rd world!
MULTI CULTURALISM
MULTI LINGUALISM
Diseases like TB and even Leprosy increasing.

I caught a news show today..US pays almost half a billion to contain pythons and other species in the everglades etc.
US just banned importation of a few snake species today and now beagles are sniffing for them at airports among the luggage!

One might do well to consider this comprehensive article when pondering the multi-layered Iranian puzzle. My opinion ain't worth much, but after reading this I'm certainly convinced I've been on the right track at least.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30269.htm

(I know it goes against the pet theories of many, but there's that ol' "tough shit" thang again. FOLLOW THE FOOKIN' MONEY...)

we can easily control the borders

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Thousands of miles of land borders to the north and the south ... and two oceans to the east and the west, and you use the word "easily"?

You are a dreamer. Easily? Ha!

We don't even have to "CONTROL" the borders, anti.
Require E-verify for workers, and the borders would take care of themselves.

We do need to lower the high rates of LEGAL immigration.
JOIN FAIR.
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer

CFT,
And you did all that with just your thumbs??

Nice rundown! Saved a bunch of time and energy (not to mention eye strain). ;o)

"On the other hand, there's is no need for you to defend your heritage and Israel's existence to the anti Semites, cranks, Islamists, Commie-Marxists, anti Americans, west deconstructionists, and Nazis who frequent this site and seem to be attracted to the subject of Peak Oil. Its a waste of time."

Yeah, right, so everybody that disagrees with you is one of the above. You are such a fuckwad.

;)

Hey, Jackie, lay off the tequila before you post.

;)

"Your antisemitism is ugly."
-asoka, to vlad-

OK, we get that, asoka..
But - for purposes of this discussion tonight - vlad is reacting to Mika/Metuselah, who essentially holds the Jews and Israel 100% blameless.

I trust Bill of Boston. My jury is still out on Mika/Metuselah - but he does claim to be a "boot on the ground" in Israel, and I've not yet seen anything to directly contradict this assertion of his. So, Mika has my full attention right now.

You don't have a voice here, asoka., except as a Resident Impediment. One thing you have NEVER claimed to be, even once - as one of your many, many multitudes - is that you are Jewish.

Nor, have you claimed that you live in Israel.

yet.

"f life became unbearable here, say, kind of gulag-like, I could see me trying to get out. But other than that extreme, I was born in America and I'll die in America. I won't run away just because things aren't going well here, like some other pussies who have already done so."

Let see if you are saying that when things get really tough, or if you are wishing you were neighbors with Asoka. Asshat.
;)

Great clip about the shameful relationship between Israel and the Republican Party. Bibi has it in for Obama and Ron Paul - the only Republican candidate they're attacking. So my path is clear for this election. But long term what to do? It seems clear that the future of anti-semitism so called lies with the Left. What a shameful thing for so called conservatives. I can't vote for the Democrats at all. All I can hope for is the rise of a Third Party which will be American First and incorporate the best aspects of both the Left and the Right.

http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=10829

My 9:03 post was supposed to go to asoka., not to you antisoak.
Apologies.

And you trust Bill why? When has he ever spoken against Met? When has he spoken against anything his people have ever done? You are being played.

Haha, thanks Bill. It's the perfect fit, isn't. Though it's interesting how characters like Vlad always seek Jews to be around with. Seems as though we are the only thing that animates them. Without us they are completely dead. Did you not notice that? I'm going to take a new tact with Vladik. I'm going to completely ignore him until he apologizes to me and to you for his trolling his lies and his malice towards Jews and Blacks.

"Let see if you are saying that when things get really tough, or if you are wishing you were neighbors with Asoka. Asshat.*"
-dee, to btb-

Dee - One thing that consistently gets your Irish up around this CFN webspace, here - is suggesting that leaving the United States shows ________.
(you fill in the blank, however you like)

So, let me say this about that. hahoeh

I'm glad you like it in Costa Rica. Truly. I'm sure it's a great place to live, with people, and certainly with a CLIMATE, that favors TLE survival better than does the United States.

Good for you. And I assume you are making a life down there, and you're planning on ways to live among the locals - should your flow of money from the States be cut off. And especially - should the money and the oil be cut off forever, to the point that you only get ONE more airplane flight, EVER, and you elect to remain in Coast Rica for the duration of forever.

If you're doing all of that, and you have RELLY though through all the implications, then you've got bigger ovaries - than I've got balls - girlfriend! ;o)

I'm going to stay closer to where I was born.
And try to make things better there.
I wish more people would do that.
We would be less doomed.

One thing you have NEVER claimed to be, even once - as one of your many, many multitudes - is that you are Jewish. Nor, have you claimed that you live in Israel. yet.

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ProCon, I cannot claim to be Jewish. Nor have I ever set foot in Israel. Existence decided otherwise.

I do have great respect for Jews and Israelis. I have never wanted to visit the "holy land," though I did visit Jesus' tomb in Kashmir and respect Jesus as a Jewish teacher (not as a Messiah).

The amount of noise on CFN in the form of long rambling double posts and h7m1s7g1 Chinese character posts is impeding dialog much more effectively than the RI. Asoka=RI Fail.

you have RELLY though through all the implications
Do what?

Apparently, the imagery involved in DEE and me measuring our respective reproductive apparatuses - upset my spelling and typing skills.

Let's try:
"you have REALLY thought throudh all the implications"

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And Dee, I meant to compliment you on this one:
"Asoka. Asshat.*"
I like it.
I like it a lot.

Perhaps we should let the term "Asoka. Asshat." replace the sobriquet of "The Resident Impediment," for purposes of discussion - on CFN?

"you have REALLY thought throudh all the implications"
-p2c-

Freak on a leash! OK - no further mention of DEE's ovaries, or my testicles, is to be allowed on CFN for the duration of the week. Something about it really upsets my typing.

And - if anyone is interested - I'm trying to slam in a bunch of posts tonight, because I'm going off the internet tomorrow - in honor of Wikipedia doing the same thing.

Actually, I'm going out of town for work.
But, what good is the internet without Wikipedia?
Seriously.

CORRECTION

I respect Jesus as a flawed Jewish teacher with anger management problems (not as a Messiah).

Overturning tables IN THE TEMPLE, cursing fig trees for not having fruit out of season, telling people to hate their parents, saying he came to bring a sword, not peace, etc. ...

The dude was just nutso out of control with his anger and egotism: "I am the way, the truth and the light. Nobody gets to the Father except through me." Riiight. That is the Fucktard Idiot Jesus.

The Sermon on the Mount, on the other hand, had some redeeming social value. That was the beautiful Jesus that inspired liberation theology and communist movements around the world.

Perhaps we should let the term "Asoka. Asshat." replace the sobriquet ...

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I pray to God that you are not denied entrance to heaven based on your meanness toward me. Your uncouth behavior is simply uncalled for and not becoming of a southern gentleman.

PC, nowhere did I say that Israel is 100% blameless. In fact, I said that nobody is perfect. The difference is that Israel is always judged very harshly and completely out of all proportion. That is a blatant double standard. Furthermore, the media controlled by the Jesuits and their apparatchiks, always focuses on Israel. There's nobody and nothing in the world that can withstand that kind of constant scrutiny applied for that long a time. But that's not all. Much of the "reporting" is contrived and fabricated, hostile and misleading to the point of being an outright deception and incitement. It is a modern day witch hunt and an inquisition. If the same was applied against the Jesuits/Vatican/CIA/etc, there would be no Jesuits/Vatican/CIA/etc.

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"And you trust Bill why?"
-vlad-

Vlad, I trust Bill because I know him. Not in the literal sense, of knowing him personally - but I know him in the many good Jewish men and women I've worked with and socialized with through the years.

"You are being played."
-vlad, concerning btb-

Well, maybe - but it's an anonymous website, not the stock market or a video game. So, I'm very interested in what Bill has to say.

"I pray to God that you are not denied entrance to heaven based on your meanness toward me."
-asoka.-

So, to whom are you praying, a.?

"That is the Fucktard Idiot Jesus."
-asoka.-

Not sure prayers like that are going to help me a whole lot, a..

I prayed to Allah for your wife's recovery and you gave me holy hell. (your wife did recover though)

I don't pray to the second-rate moral teacher named Jesus.

I pray to Existence, the only atheist-approved option.

Who do you pray to?

"The difference is that Israel is always judged very harshly and completely out of all proportion. That is a blatant double standard. Furthermore, the media controlled by the Jesuits and their apparatchiks, always focuses on Israel."
-metuselah-

Met, the perception is building in the States that the "media" is not controlled by the Jesuits, at all. In fact, there is concern being expressed that (well, let's be honest here) some of the media may be controlled by - let us carefully and politely say - gentlemen and gentlewomen of a Hebraic persuasion.

That's not to say that there is a Jewish Conspiracy, IMO Met there is not - but I DO NOT KNOW WHERE you would go to find a JESUIT - anywhere in control of the "media" inside the United States. A JESUIT in charge of a movie studio, or a major news operation in the States??
Come on, Met.

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As far as Israel being judged "harshly," ...

Met, I don't think so. At least not inside the United States. As far as the world press goes, I don't know - Al Jezerra doesn't seem that pro-Israeli, but most of what I see in the US and in the World press - looks fairly non-judgmental.

Israel has had since 1948 to get things right.
What do they need to do to make things better for good and for all time?

You, Met, keep saying for the CIA/USA to get out of the way and let the Israelis handle things by themselves. Is that really what you want?
Because - one day - that's probably what you are going to have.

What does the United States need to do - maybe for one last time - to back the Israelis up, while they make one last attempt at making things better for good and for all time.

20 years, 50 years, 100 years - we can't keep having Arab/Israeli wars and do-overs forever.

Somebody needs to figure out how to fix this before all of the oil, natural gas, and coal run out.

"Who do you pray to?"
-asoka-

I pray to whatever organization, club, or deity (Deity?) will get you to stop sticking your Residentially Impedimentarily Proboscis - into every single discussion and every single issue that comes up on this Cluster Fucked Nation.

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For example - you don't really add anything by labeling Sir Vlad Krandz as an anti Semite.

Jesus (a nice Jewish man, btw) H. Christ on a Broken Crutch - do you think you are telling us something new about Vlad that we have not already discovered for ourselves, here?

Jeeze.

Ok so Met and I are the same - fanatics. And you and Bill are the same - reasonable, middle class men. So why does Bill never say a word against Met? You two only appear to be the same, or in this case, feel to be the same to you. He is in fact, a soldier for his People. You are not, but in fact, are glad that the South lost. Bill is far more like me than you. He and Met are good cop/bad cop. You've been played.

Try and get him to criticize Israel or the Jews in any way, shape, or form. Dare you. And now compare him to yourself who would happily talk about the evils of the White Race for hours. And he would gladly listen too. But there would never be any reciprocity.

Men of your type often mistake a sense of familiarity and comfort with someone for intuition. You are not advanced enough to tell the difference.

I pray to whatever organization, club, or deity...

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Procon, you are either not praying hard enough, or your heart is insincere, or deities don't exist.

For whatever reason, it's not working. Q is gone, but I'm still here.

Oh No! Not that! Anything but that! I'm dyiiiiiiiiing....

Sorry, CharlieFT, I went out to supper with friends and just got back.

To answer your rhetorical question of "what's the holdup?", all it would take is diplomatic recognition. I mean, how can Israel enter into serious discussions with its neighbors in the region if said neighbors refuse to acknowledge it exists (except for Egypt)? Oh, by the way, Palestinians as a people were refused entry to any other Arab country by those countries' own peoples.

Jerusalem was the capitol city of the Jews since 1000 B.C. By Christ's time, the psychic and emotional center of Judaism was at the Second Temple in Jerusalem. This pre-dated any Islamic claim to Jerusalem by some 700 years. Jerusalem is the 3rd most holy city of Islam, but it is the only holy city of Judaism.

During the next 1900 or so years, when Jews were dispersed across Europe (most people are unaware that during this time period, some Jews were always residing in the holy land), their rallying cry was "Next Year in Jerusalem". That's how important Jerusalem is to the Jews.

When Israel was created in 1948, Jerusalem was divided into East and West Jerusalem, one part Arab, and one part Jewish, at the request of the European powers and the US - I'd guess, to assuage the Muslims. It was a bitter pill (er of salt, as you said) for Jews, but they had no choice but to accept those terms if they wanted their own country.

When the Six-Day War was won by Israel in 1967, part of the territory the Israelis captured was East Jerusalem. Israel united the city and vowed to never allow Jerusalem to be divided again, and that's where the situation stands now.

Since the restaurant is open H7M1S7GI

I'll have a number 2 and a number 7 combo with that, hold the eggroll and add extra noodles. Thanks, That will be delivery. My address is :

Rippedthunder, heh
999 What da Fuc Ln.
Tehran, Iran
KAHBOOM!

"Ok so Met and I are the same - fanatics. And you and Bill are the same - reasonable, middle class men. So why does Bill never say a word against Met?"
-vlad-

Bill, vlad asks a reasonable question.
Floor is open.

No ill will towards Iran. Please do not misconstrue my lame attempt at sarcasm. Ka boom was a zip code. I just get frustrated when I can't read a foreign language.

Procon, you think I should start hanging out in other internet places, too? I don't, too much. CFNers are willing to think the unthinkable with regard to the future. Even though I'm not as pessimistic as most here, I like it that posters look at the world differently than the mainstream. Also, my impression is that the average CFNer is more intelligent than the, well, average.

I hope you're right about people's attitudes concerning Israel are more positive in the mainstream.

What does the United States need to do
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The Vatican/US fscked the region so badly it might take generations to undue all the damage that you've done. And yes, the Soviets and the Nazis were surrogates of the US/Vatican war machine.

I want the truth to be told. I want the Vatican/US machinations exposed to all, so that everyone everywhere knows and understands what I know and understand. This will be good for you. It will be good for us. It will be good for the world.

I want the Faisal–Weizmann Agreement that was signed on 3 January 1919, honored and implemented.

Your welcome, anchor tags are cool. Be careful though, if you try and use too many in one post the span filter eats your post. You will think you have disrespected the gods and have been banned.

I hate it when that happens. Paranoia will annoy yah you know.

As Bustin asked: a reasoned argument in favor of Old's Free Money. The premise: since the Banks create it out of nothing why can't the State? And by not charging interest on it the people are not impoverished. Banks could still exist, but the creation of money is the unique province of the State - as the Founders indicated. Thus banks would have to compete giving real interest and having real money in reserve.

http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/01/money-for-nothing/#more-22636

Well.....

I was just stating my opinion, not trying to disparage you. HOWEVER, you did irritate me awhile ago when you posted several times with what I considered a superior attitude about you leaving the US behind, and you kind of gleefully chortling about the US' troubles. I was going to reply to you then, but another poster replied with a comment that was pretty much the same as I would have made, so I didn't post. Your anti-Israel commentsalso didn't exactly endear you to me (as if you care).

I would like to know what an asshat is. I understand the meaning in the perjorative way, but how is it different from an asshole? An asshole is a real object that shit passes through, and it has always been considered, at least in our country, as a dirty and disgusting object of disdain - so I can understand why the word is used as an insult. But an asshat? Is this a real object? Is it some kind of garment that is placed over one's anus? And if so, why? A hat is used as a covering to keep the head warm, so is an asshat a covering to keep one's ass warm, too? I mean, my ass doesn't really get cold enough here in New England for me to justify wearing an asshat. And, does one wear it inside the pants or outside? If outside, how does it stay attached in the ass area?

Thanks BeantownBill, I hope you enjoy it. There will be more to come.

From the slang expression having one's head up one's ass, thus, wearing the ass as a hat. The term is extended to people who are clueless or bumbling, who don't understand what is going on.

ASSHAT ORIGIN

Procon, with all due respect, I'm not going to get involved here as a 3rd party in a discussion between you and Vlad, and I think it's inappropriate for me to try to explain or justify the kind of on-line relationship I have with Mika. But I will say, Mika and I did get into it a little, back near the time I started posting here. So, as usual, Vlad's comments are not accurate.

Thank you so much, k-dog. You've made my day. I never thought of the term as having one's head up one's ass. In the spirit of this discussion, I checked out your Wikipedia link, and found the word asshelmut, which is much worse than asshat. I can't wait to use the word in a post.

Bill -
Forget Vlad.

I'm of the slowly growing opinion that Mika/Metuselah is about 85% crackers.

What makes you think he's Jewish, anyway?
Do Jews never go mashugana?
What did you think of the Fred Reed piece I linked?
If we can't speak truth to each other here, Bill, where are we going to speak it?
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OK, I'm out of here for a day.
Everybody:
Do a Google search.
Do a Wikipedia search.
Very weird, definitely!
Powerful, though?
I hope so, but that remains to be seen.

PC, you know I'm telling the truth.

Read Anthony Sutton.
Read Carroll Quigley.
Read Samuel Morse.
Read Jeremiah Crowley.
Read Eric Phelps.

And the list goes on and on.

EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ THIS!

Spinoza, a Jew, said the essence of Judaism is hatred or separation. That's a little strong, but they do need enemies to keep their rationale for their existence.

White Nationalists seek separation but we don't need enemies to value ourselves. Needless to say, everyone hates us.

The Jews have a concept called Tikun Olam or repairing the world. That's another way of saying of sticking their noses in everywhere and ultimately taking over. They think God has given them their superiority for this reason. We wont no part of it. Btw, earlier White Nationalists had similar fantasies but we have matured as a movement and now just want our own spaces.

Right. He acts like this has all been resolved long ago. In fact, it never has. They never want to talk about it. Anti-Semitism is like Racism: a shibboleth, an idol, a magic word to end all discussion.

A preliminary definition: Anti-Semitism is when anyone, at any time in any place for any reason renders any negative judgement about any Jew or anything remotely Jewish.

See if I'm wrong. And see what these FANATICS want to do with people who disagree with them. The Muslims in Europe only built upon the intellectual and legal foundations that the Jews had already laid. Ironic, is it not? But anyone who knows history knows the tragic foolishness of the Jews.

Ever read about the Cossacks? The Jews got themselves right in the middle of an ugly conflict between two Civilizations: Catholic and Orthodox in the Ukraine. The Poles had conquered and the Jews were the middle men and muscle the Poles used to exploit the Ukrainian Peasants. The Polish Lords were safe, hundreds of miles away in their castles. The Jews exposed themselves and their families to the revenge of the Ukrainians who couldn't get at the Poles directly. And unfortunately for the Jews, they had a very powerful friend in the Cossacks. Of course the Jews will tell about the atrocities and leave out their role as thugs and enforcers. They always twist history to make themselves look Perfect and Perfect Victims.

Wikipedia is fascinating tonight. Their pages still preview in Google using AJAX technology I imagine but when actually following a link their blank protest page HTML comes up. Quite sophisticated and coordinated.

Seems we have more than one big brother. The U.S. Congress and Wikipedia which loves to package information the way they want you to see it.

Because the Wikipedia protest message is powered by JavaScript, it's still possible to view Wikipedia by completely disabling JavaScript in your browser.

"Garbage Warrior"

Seriously? The guy opens the video, guzzling full-out on a motorcycle, in the middle of nowhere/uninhabitable space (aka - THE DESERT). Then he claims, "A family of 4 could totally survive here, without even going to the store"?!? If so, someone is sitting on the miracle cure to overpopulation/overconsumption/overpollution.

Finally, it ends with him in his 2-ton-death-metal-coffin, cruising the desert interstate, contemplating his own demise (how sad, TOO FUCKING BAD).

VERY, VERY MUCH *WRONG*. There is no food or water in the desert for a family of 4, much less a survivalist. More of the same old *THRIVE* horse-shit.

Garbage Man - stop guzzling gas in your cycle/2-ton-death-metal coffin, and live somewhere hospitable, where crops grow and livestock can graze (ie. not in the middle of the desert). My stomach turned, watching that drivel...

I'm happy without it.

Garbage Warrior is a testament to the human spirit, an inspiring movie.

Me, too. It is basically an unreliable source that can be edited by anyone, even me. I improve articles on Wikipedia and cite my sources. My changes are then reverted or changed by someone else. It is a dynamically changing mess.

And also don't forget to read Eustace Mullins on the Jewish part of the Conspiracy.

Impotency Achieved

We are (or I am or they or it ? whatever) 100 % impotent, totally, in all ways, sexually, psychologically, spiritually, you name it. Total failures, total losers. Sore losers. Be a sore loser. No problem can ever be solved, give up all real fast, there are no solutions for any possible problem, end of story. Because of all the information we receive and all of the imaginary battle grounds (ever changing battle grounds) we can't do absolutely anything about it, we cannot even touch it, or modify the path all those ever changing and new battle grounds follow. Of all of those battles, contradictions, contentions (do you want the right or left to win ? do you want the war in Irak ? do you want more or less taxes ? do you want the green economy or keep on "wasting" gas ? especially do you want "this specific person in jail or to lose" (we love personalizations of contentions, we love to fight people figures) you name it) you cannot do absolutely anything about them, you can't do nothing about where they go, total 100 % impotency achieved no matter what, they are 100 % independent of your will power, so much so, that it is totally useless even knowing about the battle or following any of all of this information and news BS.

It is all so far away and so detached from anything you can do, and so much of an indirection, denotation, etc. that it is incredible that people waste so much energy and time and emotions and feelings over all of this imaginary, non existent, abstract BS. Who gives two c*cks and a d*ck about Iran, Irak or Afghanistan ? what are they even ? two countries far away that have nothing at all to do with me. And why should I follow any news about them and get all worked up when my power to change or influence or interact with such remote abstract entities is a big fat zero ? So as usual, you better free your mind instead and not think about all of this BS, better no news about anything at all, it is all worthless drivel.

And you are always within a simulation of winning or losing, an emotional roller coaster, where your rage and happiness (but it could also be very shallow, it doesn't have to be extreme feelings) are constantly being pushed up and down according to who or what is winning.

Is the stock market going up ? do I want it to go up or down ? if I want it to go up "then I win" when it goes up, etc. Is oil "finishing" ? if it does "I win" (if I wanted it to finish), hence I won my little imaginary battle and so on. Actually the "News", all new information is always framed within an imaginary battle ground of contrasting forces, it is always some form of A versus B, and you have to take sides (do I want A to win or A to happen versus B ? are things going in the direction that I would like them to ? if yes I "feel good", "I win", "I have achieved", if no "I feel bad", etc.), you automatically take sides no matter what since our mind is a simple one transistor circuit (and we love to imagine how "right" we are, how are positions are all "so correct" and so "special" and how we can "figure the correct way to go" as opposed to all the other slobs, we like "to feel smart" and assign ourselves as smart, correct, the winners and so on), we are designed to fight, to be within the stage of a battle ground (it doesn't even matter if it is real or fake or make believe or whatever), and after you take sides you break the symmetry of a constant emotional and feeling state to put it in an agitation state of winning - losing - following the game - taking sides, the same old emotional roller coaster, etc.

At least in sports, the battle ground is clearly simply a game, no other consequences and we take sides for fun (sometimes it gets violent and bad anyways, go figure), but in politics, economy, society we take sides thinking that there are "deeper" metaphysical, spiritual reasons, it is supposed to be deeper, what the "common rules of society must be" is so much more important (but is it ? who gives two c*cks and a d*ck!).

But that is also because we need a constant emotional stimulation, since a steady state - a state where no battle is going on is "boring", so we need new information to fight a new battle (but we don't fight anything, we just follow the game as spectators hoping a given side wins and "commenting" the game "showing off" how correct we are and how our side must win). It is all based on changing your emotional and feelings state into something that is not neutral or steady and into something that is activated and going up and down and following an input information that is associated with given feelings of feeling good or bad according to "the information coming in". What an idiotic machine our Man Brain is.

We need a constant new battle ground, and if there is no news to create it, we create it in our own mind, we create new targets to reach (but mos t of the targets are external things that we hope will happen and are independent of our will power), we invent new imaginary targets both in our personal life and in the external social world like will that building get finished ? (if it does I win), will that person do this and that (if they do this I win, etc.), will I get that raise ? Does person A do that or this, whatever etc. So we break a steady state, a neutral state, an indifferent state of feelings to activate good/bad states and involvement.

And every new news fragment becomes the next battle ground, we don't even notice how many times we change the battle grounds, how what seemed so important yesterday is invisible today, like the Irak war is no longer on the radar, but it was oh, so important for a few years, now the sinking ship is the new battle ground (what did the captain do ? what a c*ck, and everyone likes to feel so superior to the situation) and what happened to the oil spill in the gulf of mexico ? it is off the radar, the battle ground has changed, it no longer creates a new emotional roller coaster.

And we have the never ending "Economic Crisis Adventure": I read an old 10 years old magazine where they were talking about the then "Economic Crisis" and how the "Economy had to grow more" and such BS. In other words, we have always had (or do we need to create a battle ground ?) an economic crisis. And in the same magazine they were talking about grading system corporations have in order to fire some "non performing" workers, and the managers were saying that they have to invent and force inequality between people, find inequality between people even when there is no apparent inequality.

Like today Italy and Greece are in "Economic Crisis" mode, but I remember that these countries have been in crisis mode for decades, for Italy, after some 15 years of real economic growth from the 1960s to the 1970s, the economy there was always in "crisis mode", go figure, and yet their level of wealth remains sky high compared to at least a hundred other countries and it will take 100 years for entire continents to reach their puny level of "middle class" wealth, so what gives ? maybe growth is a limited concept from the outset ? maybe a country cannot grow past a certain point structurally ?

And this comparison with Germany and such, well inequality exists, some areas are economically stronger than others, after all Germany fought the entire WWII against the whole world all by themselves, they have always been an economic powerhouse, so what is it with this idea that every country must be as economically as strong as Germany ? doesn't make sense, you cannot eliminate inequality from the outset, and you can't make believe that every country or area must become a first class economic region.

It is as if all the states of the USA must become like Silicon Valley, now what sense does that make ? how is that possible ? so Alabama and Kentucky must all become like San Francisco and silicon valley and startups etc. otherwise they are failed economic entities, etc. How idiotic can you get ?

Hey vlad, be your own queer, you don't need another body, jackass. What a jackass always fighting this imaginary battle against niggers, how crazy can you be ?

Information Particles

Compare the extension and size and the amount of Matter Information occupies with regards to the external macro world. While the macro world with all of its cars, streets, trees whatever are the words, the tags, the categories, the entities information works upon, detaches from, denotes from to create a sequence of abstract symbols that become independent of the material world and can have any possible space and time occupied to express itself (but information as such is independent of space and time and can theoretically, in the limit, occupy zero space and time, as information is a pure mathematical and abstract entity, it is a pure Information Relationship, a formula so to say, a relationship independent of the substrate the information is grounded upon) occupies space and time and is made up of so much irrelevant noise compared to the tags they create (a rock is made up of millions of details and atoms, but it ends up being just a 4 letter word and used just as a pure mathematical entity, a relationship within our language and thought processing system), information is invisible, occupies in theory no space and no time. What a contrast.

But that is why we (our or mine or its ? as usual ? Man Brain) are so much excess capacity ourselves because we are information machines containing a never ending probably infinite amount of information chunks, potential information relationships etc. while the material substrate of it all is heavy and limited.

The limits of matter as it tends to information, the conversion of matter to information, the new Einstein formula for the "information to mass matter converter" or the "matter and mass energy to information converter" ...

APE

When you finally get something the value of that something becomes zero, we are always a contradictory machine, or sometimes the value may become even greater the more we have the same thing (you can extend the example to all possible items and narratives and entities), so maybe you bought that new car and the next day you are totally indifferent about it (or maybe angry, even worse off than before you had it, anything as the mind will find a million ways to self torture itself, etc.), but then maybe you will become ever more attached and end up thinking about it always more until it becomes the only possible thing that exists, a total obsession (you are hoping to lose it so you have an excuse to mourn and self torture yourself with regret, and hoping that the past would come back knowing it will never and so crying to yourself, etc. you get the idea).

But even better, you can switch back and forth between something being 100 % important to zero importance in a jiffy (or forget and remember something, or forget to remember, or make up false memories, or make up anything you want, it is all a lie), or create associations, cause and effects in you mind that something is important and valuable exactly because you cannot get it, or maybe only because you can get it and all of the intermediate steps. You will always want that that is impossible to get only to fantasize it, and make it become this impossibly metaphysically high entity when it is only a pure turd, like everything, nothing has value, all is zero, a pure turd. Amen.

Every new configuration of bits our mind is merged in creates a new environment, a new box against which to compare all other boxes we remember (and especially all of the older and previous Information Relationships, imagined or remembered feelings/pains/pleasures or whatever), the comparison, the new reference system, the new situation as compared to the previous or older or even that of 10 years ago, etc. You worked in place A, now you work in place B and you compare, and the new B becomes the new reference system against which to compare all, every new event is a new world, a new reference system, all of the previous ones are nulled, on longer applicable, only applicable as remembered.

Every new event is a new starting point for random actions and reactions, you never know, it never knows, nothing knows, not even after the fact, not even knowing knows.

The sequence of events as the sequence of new reference systems, ever changing and all the values meanings changing, and so on, you take a trip to BRAZIL and then compare all to that, but since there are an infinite number of possible new reference systems, new trips, and even more so, there are infinite number of possible comparisons you can make between the last trip and any other place - situation, compare BRAZIL to JAPAN or to San Francisco or to whatever you remember (and remember memory is vague, flawed, or did we just make up all of those memories, etc.) there are an infinite number of relative reference systems ( the new wife compared to the old ? and so on) then reference systems are inherently relative, all is a comparison and relative, there are no absolutes, only quirks, random, chance, fluke and arbitrary, nothing solid here, it all can be changed.

That is why people need religions, to hinge themselves on something solid, but it is destined to fail because god wanted it this way, wanted a vague impossible world for his turdy and pukey creation of Man Brain...

As in always changing emotions and feelings about something, the constant change, the constant jumping around all over the place, the feelings, decision on what to feel is never clear, vague, doesn't know what to feel or what it wants, ever changing vague, right and wrong, A or B and A and B and so on, nothing knows what it wants because nothing and everything is always changing his mind forever...


"It is basically an unreliable source that can be edited by anyone"

Agreed. I went to a wiki link the other day, looking up info on Syed Fahad Hashmi and the guy/*friend*/US govt agent "plant"/"terrorist" (free now) who entrapped him, Mohammed Junaid Babar - and wiki was severely lacking info on both accounts. I had to rely on news sites to get the (???) full story/details.

Garbage man - "testament to the human spirit, an inspiring movie" - really? That dude guzzling gasohol in the DESERT, as if there was no limit in sight? Sure, he recycles garbage into houses - big fucking deal... Millions of already-constructed *livable* houses are being looted for scrap copper/bulldozed, as we speak. Shame on the garbage man!

FWIW, I changed my garbage collection to "call the day prior for pickup" back in mid-August. It's 5 months later, and my garbage can is almost 1/2 full (my recycle bin is almost 3/4 full). $10/pickup, next time I call in (nice savings - used to pay $23/month, and never put garbage out).

Oh, *INQUIRING* minds must know - what theatre are you watching the GARBAGE MAN in, down there in the clearcuts of the Amazon Basin, Soker? Me wonders if they can trace the clearcutting of Australia back 15,000 years ago, to the aborigines? That southern hemisphere is *THE BOMB* (Saharan Desert clearcut 6-8k years ago).

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Every configuration of bits (complete environment a Man Brain obtains and is instantaneously experiencing from a set of signals from its sense organs (and also the complete set of internal sensations, and all of the simultaneous comparisons operating in parallel with its memory and all the rest)) can transit, navigate, follow a path to any other possible configuration no matter how far away, different, completely different according to how it randomly is pushed there by a mix of external forces and internal will power forces, by a path of new events and configurations setting the stage for another new configuration and event set and paths and so on. Of course the intermediate steps to go from configuration A (trip in BRAZIL ? or more concretely walking down some random street in BRAZIL) to configuration M (a small visit to the local cemetery in NJ ?) may be many separate steps, maybe 10 maybe a trillion or maybe even just one, and the path may be completely random intermediate configurations or it could be, as we usually expect a smooth transition from one situation to the next according to logic, cause and effect and the laws of physics: but there can be trillions of paths that go from point A to point M, and for any point A and any point M there are trillions of possible paths. But we use our Will Power to try to guide the trip, the transformation, the travel from A to M, and we are constrained by the laws of physics that limit which paths can be taken, and at what speed, etc.

But since there is a path that can bring you from any configuration to any other no matter how far out and improbable, a new modified Man Brain knows that there is a path that can bring you from any configuration to any other, so then it simply assigns the configuration it wants on the fly without following any paths like we must follow because we are constrained by our body, and the laws of physics and the contrasting set of other will powers and forces interdicting our desire to reach a given configuration. Or it may desire to follow a very quirky random path visiting many intermediate configurations that furnish a very random set of experiences and sensations, or even a smooth path, and anything else, and it may decide to make some will powers oppose it (but may force itself to always win the confrontation ? or does it want to play the guessing game ? or does it want to see if it can win by itself and accepts any new paths that are imposed because it chose to play closer to how our reality works ?). Of course this modified brain must be carefully designed with a very precise simulator of reality and maybe it can be done in a few decades, but then again does it matter how precise the information set is when all you really want is an experience ? and so the precision can be also very low but the Information Relationship creating the equivalent Experience is just enough for that Man Brain to have exactly the experience it wants, especially when you modify the variable C (of being convinced that something is real) in the mental computer program from our everyday 70 % to 95 % even if a set of signals are totally false (and maybe 100 % unrelated ?, an experience that is independent of the set of signals representing it ? hmm..).

Like when one thinks that a set of behaviors and actions and activities and choices mean so many different things (other people performing them or yourself or a group or an interaction between so many people performing them, etc. cross information groups are communicating to each other, etc.) when they are all disjoint, or you are completely misunderstanding what they mean (but the information itself may misunderstand itself and so on in an infinite recursion. Regrets, self torture ? always and ever (never ?), you will always have a deeper and deeper guilt complex and you will never be ok, oh you should have done this or that, oh what a mistake, just that one decision could have changed everything, oh, how I want to go back to that one decision point or action point or behavior in that circumstance (but as Buddhism teaches, you may go back change your path only to get into a worse path and even worse and more regretful and even more guilt complex plagued reality, etc.) and more importantly the idea of having made a mistake in the past implies that there is an external reality operating: nothing further from the truth, reality is just an instantaneous configuration of bits with our memory of the past conditioning, falsifying and inhibiting (opposing resistance to) the possible new configurations that could be activated, memory as an interdiction towards new configurations of bits), but maybe all is always misunderstanding all, all signals falsify and create a fake language and narrative that means something completely different and again even that meaning becomes another narrative meaning something completely different forever until you get lost forever...

Wow, what a boatload of drivel, trype and self delusion...


So, is this wiki thang the anon hack3rs? It's barely affected me so far, but it seems to have dragged on for over 3 days now - Bwahahaha!!!

Oh, PS - they forgot to shut down guild wars wiki, along with all the other educational-based wiki servers...

Hope they have a reason, or solution. However, I doubt it - they're the same IPO bought-and-payed-for asshats, that sell adds next to every link you might choose (I seriously miss all those Obama adds on YouTube)...


From:

http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/01/money-for-nothing/#more-22636

"Thus bankers, by loaning out the money they create for nothing, gain a mortgage on future production of real world goods and services."

Or are trying to force the world to produce many more goods and services than the world needs or can even absorb, are trying to force and make believe the economy is much richer than it is, but especially, much richer than it can possibly be structurally. In order to compensate the trillions and trillions of dollars of debt and fake money the banks created you would need so much real work and goods and services that there is no way that is is realistically possible.

Add in optimizations and the Technological Economy killing jobs structurally and you have a recipe for insanity and disaster.

Another reason why the only solution is free salaries and homes: since the banks created free money, then they must distribute all the free money, freely, since the machine is crashing, is a logical contradiction, can't work any other way any more.

Seriously, 6969?!? (You fukin' spammer) Strait of Hormuz. Nuff said. Let's play this SHEET out!!!

Fingers point at Jews (U know U love it, racist psychopaths), while drones rain down guided death on innocent women and children. And apparently, "they" (the US of A) most often use simple non-guided bombs, to take out the civies, err *terrorists*. Sux to be *THEM*. Anyone doing a tally? I though *NOT*...

Soker lives in 2 places at once, and watches movies on the big screen in *BOTH PLACES AT ONCE*

Hahahah! The Master Debater himself. Flips on a half-cent...

Like when you think someone did something for a given reason while the reason was completely different or there was no reason at all. Constant misunderstandings, constant guessing games, you would never have imagined the real reason for him doing that, etc. Always a surprise, and do "real reasons" even exist ? aren't all reasons hiding other reasons and new reasons and aren't the reason being invented on the spot, or are some been going on for decades ? etc. I forgot what I forgot but remembered what I forgot but forgot if I remembered what I forgot to remember.
And everyone thinks that there are all different reasons for the same things, but everything is hiding everything, no synchronization here, everything a total mismatch, an embaressing mismatch and total misunderstanding of all with all ?

And when you see an item, and then see it slightly differently again, and see it yet differently again in a never ending change of perception, ideas or reason ? all change, vague, and rock solid clear and true...


Some corrections for your thesis:

Like when you think someone did something for a given reason while the reason was completely different or there was no reason at all. Constant misunderstandings, constant guessing games, you would never have imagined the real reason for him doing that, etc. Always a surprise, and do "real reasons" even exist ? aren't all reasons hiding other reasons and new reasons and aren't the reason being invented on the spot, or are some been going on for decades ? etc. I forgot what I forgot but remembered what I forgot but forgot if I remembered what I forgot to remember.
And everyone thinks that there are all different reasons for the same things, but everything is hiding everything, no synchronization here, everything a total mismatch, an embarrassing mismatch and total misunderstanding of all with all ?

And when you see an item, and then see it slightly differently again, and see it yet differently again in a never ending change of perception, ideas or reason ? all change, vague, and rock solid clear and true...

d00d, you sound like one of those bad translation programs, translating chinese spam into utter douche-bag *SPAM*.

Really, time for you to poast on your other 3 aliases (and *GHAD* only knows why your IP isn't banned yet)...

Time for not x-poasting your iHeart philo-bunk bull-shit. Time for talking from the heart, you gutless *WONKER*!!! I suspect you'll just continue to flood this page with walls of text, from 5 different aliases (including the one that sells the winter coats). PROVE ME WRONG.

I think it's "wanker", not "wonker".


Please scroll over the following block of text. But please waste your time boys and girls you all got your "work" cut out for you today...study it all carefully, JHK will test you on it...

Isn't it interesting, when you talk to someone who is talking about something, and they are concentrated on that "something", it is almost as if they are talking to the "something" or themselves, or their capacity to reason, the narrative that they are talking about becomes the real person to whom which they are talking to so to say, they are actually showing off their capacity to reason, as if the person in front is invisible or just a tag or just a design used as an excuse to express a sequence of symbols, a block of text, as if we were all just blocks of potential texts walking around and mixing and matching threads of logic, interacting threads of logic, with a sprinkle of free will possibly "contradicting" some logical threads (but the logical contradiction is always a proxy for a deeper urge to simply beat the other person up, as in man is a fight, or maybe not that extreme, but simply to contradict and approve and mix and match in a never ending vague game of guessing and "we are the same", or no "we are different on this" and so on, always changing ideas, subjects, issues, a game of interactions, and actions and reactions, the "Human Relationship Game"). But even more interesting is that if the same block of text is output from a pretty face, then it seems to be "more interesting", it acquires a completely new property; you get confused between the pretty face and the text, but at that point maybe you don't really care about the text anymore, you are "thinking about" something else, and so on. And how many indirections and thinking about other things can be going on, how many levels away and deep, and lost forever ? and reciprocally thinking of something else, two people or more all talking, distractedly but all thinking of many other things, subtle confusions and mix and matches and changes of perceptions and so on.

And just one bit, one small mistake, one change in perception and the other person can be digitally put in a category, can be extremely simplified as good or bad, no turning back, nothing you did in the past will ever change the final judgment, that subtle phase transition that that one bit mistake provoked, etc.

As in when you see another person and that person remains a mystery that kind of ticks you off until he finally opens his mouth and says something and you can finally possibly classify or determine or define what and where in the never ending sea of logical threads he stands, it is comforting to know that you can know where the person is in the "Debate Space", in the "Information Space"; the space of possible configurations. But it is cool to see so many anonymous thugs in large cities, all mystery, not talking to you or not saying anything, and that is why you feel lost and threatened and so on. A total mystery until some cue, any clue is hinted so that you try to guess what is going on his mind...

Like when you think about some very complex issue, situation for years and plan and consider and then finally when you reach a decision point you just do something random and throw away years of pondering and meditation and planning. Like when you wanted that car for years, but then, just when you can have it, or just because, from one second to the next, you don't want it anymore, you completely forget your obsession, nay, you hate it you torture yourself for having "wasted so much time" on that object of desire, and so forth.

All vague, all change, all weird, no stability here, all odd actions and reactions, always changing perceptions, radical changes in a moment, and the same old "what was I thinking ?" game, when you were never thinking anything because there is no thinking to do, we are just a chain reaction fooling itself into thinking that "it has control". Constant regrets and torments for an imagined future when there is no future, not even imagined, only wild random pure chance that not even the laws of physics and god himself know what is going on.

Like when you want to be in another person's shoes, you imagine that his condition is so much better when in all truth, he is probably even more unhappy then yourself, but you would never know, you just project what you imagine his advantage is in your fantasizing. Like when you want something, but what you really want is the memory of something, so that you can confirm that you had that something (a trip to BRAZIL for example) so you can think that you have achieved, you have obtained what your will power wanted, you want that chunk of memory confirming reality, and better if confirmed by other independent people, but mostly you need a memory confirmation to activate the circuit that has "I am happy", I did this", or "I have had this", or "I have this", and so on. As if there is something "keeping score", as if the score will last and is even important. Nothing and no one is keeping score, scores don't exist, numbers don't exist, all is a ghost. But we delimit all events within time and by making events pass time we always win and achieve: the goal is to pass time, find ways to be unaware of time, else if you were aware of every second, each second would become longer and longer and we would live an eternity and get bored to death.

why does a chunk of matter need to know what another chunk of matter is feeling or doing, why do we need to be confirmed, why are we always monitoring how much pain/pleasure another chunk of matter is obtaining, why do we talk and communicate to another independent will power chunked of matter ? to be sure that something has something in common with us ? to feel part of ? but part of what ? part of our own imagination ? our envy ? jealousy, or what ? A chunk of matter wants other chunks to be similar to itself so as to feel confirmed and comfortable and defined, hinged upon something solid, so all the talk, communication, importance of cell phones and Internet, you name it.

It all goes back to the problem of absolutes and relatives, we want absolutes but the Universe is all relative, hence undefined, not clear, vague, dangerous, iffy, at all times, and our very structure of mind, our very will power, the very structure of Matter and Mass Energy is trying to guess itself, is playing jokes on itself, is playing an obscene guessing game with itself, and always guessing wrong, always being dead wrong on everything. Matter is always telling lies to itself because only lies exist in the Universe, it is impossible to tell itself anything else...

Wow, what a boatload of drivel, trype and self delusion...

What big screen? Garbage Warrior can be viewed for free wherever you have access to YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrMJwIedrWU

A documentary of a determined fight against government bureaucracy.

Ozone,
As you might have guessed Pepe Escobar is one of my favorites and the article on information clearing hs. is a solid one. Thanks for the link.

It's all about the oil and it's all about the global neoliberal agenda. Everything fits like a hand in glove. Flatten the world for transnationals and banks. Shovel more money into the privatized war contractors who can't get enough of tax-payer money while screaming how much they want to smash big govt., through their crony Republicans. Can't have that social safety net anymore, now its all about non-stop war waged by the Pax America guys.

Privatize, Privatize, Privatize.

It's always Israel's fault (our fall guy in the region), having nothing to do with our own agenda in the mid-east and our lust for oil for the big oil companies.
We are the biggest users of others in the world. Anyone who thinks this is all abut Israel, think again. Yes there's AIPAC, but who makes them powerful? and Why? Who is really the puppeteer in this kabuki theater? You think our military think tanks haven't figured out that we could use Israel to look like the heavy? Come on, we should know the patterns by now.

Just like Newt is trying to make a phoney baloney case that only black people are on food stamps and that's cuz they're lazy. No mention of globalism and our jobs bleeding out of this country--oh that. Let's not discuss. We have a national economy---NOT! But to the clueless among us of which there are many, let's just say we do and all you have to do is cut taxes.

Like p*rn, interesting to see the image to instinct converter, why it is so intriguing, maybe because it activates the circuit in between parallel to serial, parallel sense organ inputs associated to a sequential logical path (along with morality, rules, laws, other emotions/feelings whatever). So do we "fall in love" with our instinct, with the image of the pretty, or with ourselves, are we intrigued by how instinct is captured by picture, or something around there. And does a pretty face that talks associate and denote and indirection and symbol to something else ? is the indirections adding up, is everything mixed, along with will power challenges and games, a never ending recursion of guessing games, never to be sure of any outcome not even after 100 years (being sure brings boredom). Why women must be stupid (or pretend to be ?)...

Like every moment everything must be reconstructed from scratch, every new configuration of bits (in mind and in external reality ?) must be reproduced, a completely new creation, a new big bang, every instant a new universe, who knows what is next...

On the variable C (being convinced of the reality of something variable)

From:


http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=174981

"Therefore no stretching of space or black hole travels are necessary to travel in time, only the creation of the equivalent information relationships. It is just as real, as real isn't defined, real is just how much you are convinced that it is real and since you can never be convinced 100 % of something and not even 0 %, the variable C (convinced) is a number greater than zero and less than 100, then any number is equivalent and equally true."

"So there, give me my nobel prize. C, "the degree of being convinced variable" is the real secret, this variable defines reality, you can change it, just assign it, it is done and true. I went to 1950 NJ, and then to 2400 Mars, and they told me this, that is how I learned it. You can also travel in space, as all locations are just a different configuration, so even the speed of light is exceeded. Now go to the other galaxy and come back, and go to 5 trillion years in the past and future, have fun."

We easily controlled the border in the past. We used a governmental organization known as the army.

What is the next action reaction between two people encountering, it is the quirk sum of what they remembered of the person, or what they imagine; sometimes a person generates always the same reactions and activates always the same circuits, sometimes it is completely random, sometimes a person is just a standard set of memorized reactions having a standard meaning and region of interaction, a given delimited interaction space only for that person.

It will be discovered that the real nature of the universe is purely metaphysical: like how will the universe end, what is its large scale structure ? cyclical or just a big bang and then it withers away ? So what difference does it make ? a set of frequencies that interact and match and mismatch to create reality then nothing else.

So either picture, you end up looking at the whole only metaphysically, nothing else you can do with it, but meditate it from a metaphysical point of view, which mean simply what it means to "us", that is this very arbitrary, random and fluke design of Man Brain...

It's been tried over the last ten years and failed. The Army cannot even control the southern border, even with the help of the Border Patrol and high-tech.

Macho campaigns, like Operation Hold the Line in El Paso or Operation Gate Keeper in San Diego, and has repeatedly failed to gain control of the land borders.

High-tech equipment, at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars, has also failed.

There are not enough soldiers, sailors, and marines combined to patrol the thousands of miles of USA borders.

Throwing money at the border won't work. Throwing high-tech at the border won't work. Throwing the Army at the border won't work. All your BIG GOVERNMENT military efforts will fail.

Yet another week of "patching" up the global fraud. And apparently, this never-ending attention of governmental/financial sector foreplay has some ulterior motive.

Perhaps all the half-ass, half-baked bond-bailing plans are nothing more than scribblings by the elite on their global whiteboard - sort of testing equations to see how far they will eventually be able to go without arousing the global commoner's dimly lit spirits.

Certainly, none of what's written here has caused any trepidation among the masses. As others have already noted, its time for football, white sales or ski trips.

There isn't any resistance - at least none that matters. The situation is becoming dire.

They sent a couple of hundred guys down there to make it look like they were doing somethng. Just a show. I'm talking about 30,000 pairs of boots on the boder. It would be more productive than the farting around they been doing overseas for for the past ten years.

It would only fail if they wanted it to. As inept as the government can be, they can move a mountain if they really want to. I saw it first hand after hurricane rita. It was one month after they screwed the pooche during katrina. Didn't want to make the same mistake twice in one month.

My points similar to P2C and Pat Buchanan's..
That we cant control the world but we can easily
control the borders, except the power elite dont want us to.
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I don't disagree with that. I think immigration has been too high in recent years for effective assimilation, and that is unfair to the people who already live here.

White Nationalists had similar fantasies but we have matured as a movement and now just want our own spaces.
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Vlad, you have your space, that little tear drop single wide outside of Bumjump Idaho.

During previous waves immigration, we have usually taken a break from it in order to allow the assimilation process to work. It would be a good time to do that now. Of course it will be much more difficult to assimilate todays immigrants. The cultural divide is so much greater.

It's been tried over the last ten years and failed. The Army cannot even control the southern border, even with the help of the Border Patrol and high-tech.
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People aren't ants, if they put half as many troops on the border as they had in one state of Iraq, it would be over.

Of course it will be much more difficult to assimilate todays immigrants. The cultural divide is so much greater.
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I worked with a group of Buthanese/Napali immigrants for a year, trying to help them assimilate. To a large degree, they didn't want to. The biggest mistake most immigrants make is not wanting to speak English in the home. Those who will, are successful earlier, IMO.

It made me question how much my own ancestors, some of which were German, really wanted to assimilate when they first got here. In their case, they were living on farms, so they weren't always being thrown in the face of a new culture.

I finally developed a way of looking at it, and expressed it to the Napali's who loved it and adopted it as their own.

First Generation: I'm a German, always will be a German.
Second Generation: I'm a German-American
Third Generation: I'm an American of German ancestory.
Fourth Generation: Mommy, where did our family come from?

I think that's more typical of how it really works. My mother was third generation and there was still a lot of Prussian in her.

But, you're right, about the great differences between our culture and some that are coming here. The Napali's liked to say "its not different in America, it's the opposite" I could never put myself in their place, but I can imagine how hard it is.

Yet you full well know the dire consequences of unrestricted immigration to the US at a time when jobs are being offshored from the US.

And the consequences are dire for both people immigrating whether documented or not as well as people already resident.

The only people gleeful are people in the top 1% who benefit from the downward pressure on American wage rates. And you.

Do you speak for the interests of the top 1%?

Do you have an interest in seeing people in distress? Does it give you pleasure?

Do enlighten because your attitude in a mystery to many of us.

yeah, i can't imagine me in their country trying to adapt.

People aren't ants, if they put half as many troops on the border as they had in one state of Iraq, it would be over. - D

Totally agree.

Again, Americans love to think of themselves as the victims. The christians are the worst, always picturing themselves as one step away from being thrown to the lions. 2,000 years of persecution of others ignored.

Mexicans are the victims of globalization, pushed, as lbendet points out, by the US ruling class.

First, they're thrown off their lands. Then, they come here to work and they are oppressed by US agribusiness and other capitalists.

http://www.foodfirst.org/en/US+Policies+fuel+Mexican+migration

I get that 99%ers are in the position of having our wages pushed down by immigrant competitors, including the legal ones.

But to attack our fellow workers, instead of realizing our common enemy, is just ignorant and fruitless.

As long as the ruling overlords profit from cheap labor, the borders will be permenable from south to north. (They've cut us off from going to Mexico without a passport. No more cheap dental care for Americans.)

It's actually pathetic to see people calling for the military to protect them from cheap labor. Ha! Who do you think the military is for? Hint: not for you.

Can we control what we think ? (and why we ? the generalized chunks of matter that resemble my man brain ? people are all chunks of matter in this philosophy), no we are driven by random, the mind can't control what it thinks. Self delusion, lie to yourslef, and yet the more you lie to yourself and you know it is lying, the more you delude yourself and feel rage and angry and a sore loser and a pissed of loser, and a failure (this is the new normal) the truer that lie becomes, the more valid, reality is directly proportional to the self delusion, to the intensity of the lie: you can't do anything else but lie to yourself always. If you can't get from combination of bits A to C, then associate (a one to one correspondence) that combination to one where you can perform the previously impossible path ( a simpler path F to Y , a projection, a mkae beleive, but then you may not ever be able to do the simpler F to Y, but the original A to C and you hose yourselfagain, go figure) making believe that it is A to C.

And what reaction can you expect from the encounter with another person (chunked out matter carved into a man brain) ? any reaction, the reaction is unknown not only to that other person, but also your own, you may become indifferent or angry or run away or anything, the other person doesn't know what reaction to have as all is always a test, a guess, combinations of bits in brains colliding and not knowing at all what the resulting new combinations will be.

But most likely, near indifference, nothing at all, very little excitement or change, just bordom, no really new thing to guess here. Encounters are mostly huge letdowns because our expectations are always too high maintenance, we are excess expectations aside from excess capacity from the outset. Be letdown, accept total letdown and free your mind.

And notice how words (or thought aths, picutres, behaviors, whatever) become alive, sometimes as you talk about things, the words become more and more real strangely, they become associated with deeper past feelings/emotions/pain/pleasures even though they are independent and probably have nothing to do with anything at all. That is why we can write the same drivel over and over again and it always looks new, even if it is exactly the same, it is always 100 % new because our man brain and universe has transitioned into a slightly new combination of bits creating a 100 % new creation, new big bang, new universe, infinitely different from anything before, completely new feelings, go for it man, it is all false, man, repeat.

Adapting is easier the closer the immigrant is culturally. The more backward the country of origin is the more difficult it is for the immigrant.

I know of one woman in her early 50s whose parents were from a really poor and backward part of southern Europe ie grade school education, retrograde attitudes towards women and girls - that forced her to marry at the age of 16 a man from the old country of the parents's choosing. The man they chose was much like them, zero education and illiterate. Needless to say that woman had a hard life trying to fit into a modern industrial society while trying to placate parents and husband whose attitudes were from the 1500s. Her life prospects were severely limited by her parents' mulish unwillingness to open their eyes and see modernity and learn a new culture.


Some corrections:

Can we control what we think ? (and why we ? the generalized chunks of matter that resemble my man brain ? people are all chunks of matter in this philosophy), no we are driven by random, the mind can't control what it thinks. Self delusion, lie to yourself, and yet the more you lie to yourself and you know it is lying, the more you delude yourself and feel rage and angry and a sore loser and a pissed of loser, and a failure (this is the new normal) the truer that lie becomes, the more valid, reality is directly proportional to the self delusion, to the intensity of the lie: you can't do anything else but lie to yourself always. If you can't get from combination of bits A to C, then associate (a one to one correspondence) that combination to one where you can perform the previously impossible path ( a simpler path F to Y , a projection, a mkae believe, but then you may not ever be able to do the simpler F to Y, but the original A to C and you hose yourself again, go figure) making believe that it is A to C.

And what reaction can you expect from the encounter with another person (chunked out matter carved into a man brain) ? any reaction, the reaction is unknown not only to that other person, but also your own, you may become indifferent or angry or run away or anything, the other person doesn't know what reaction to have as all is always a test, a guess, combinations of bits in brains colliding and not knowing at all what the resulting new combinations will be.

But most likely, near indifference, nothing at all, very little excitement or change, just boredom, no really new thing to guess here. Encounters are mostly huge letdowns because our expectations are always too high maintenance, we are excess expectations aside from excess capacity from the outset. Be letdown, accept total letdown and free your mind. And many people create simply repetitive patterns in their everyday encouters, simplify life, a comforting repetition where everything is perfectly planned, but any slight change may become allarming a threat ?

And notice how words (or thought aths, picutres, behaviors, whatever) become alive, sometimes as you talk about things, the words become more and more real strangely, they become associated with deeper past feelings/emotions/pain/pleasures even though they are independent and probably have nothing to do with anything at all. That is why we can write the same drivel over and over again and it always looks new, even if it is exactly the same, it is always 100 % new because our man brain and universe has transitioned into a slightly new combination of bits creating a 100 % new creation, new big bang, new universe, infinitely different from anything before, completely new feelings, go for it man, it is all false, man, repeat.

It's like you said before, they can make us believe anything, no matter how absurd. Or, most of us, anyway.

Can you picture them giggling away at the Heritage Foundation? "he, he. Let's blame the breakdown of the entire global economy on the people who bought the $30,000 tarpaper shack and missed 2 months payments. Throw that out there and see if it sticks. he,he"

And then the Wurlitzer kicks into high gear and people obediently quit blaming pregnant teenagers for their problems, and start blaming poor homeowners.

None of the ptb are for the average American. It doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum they come from, the elites least concern is for everyday people. We all get that, Wage.

Personally I'm not attacking the poor bastards that go to the US trying to stave off poverty.

I'm attacking the asswipes that create the policies that are neither in the interests of immigrants nor the people already in the US ie the 99% that get screwed in this whole process.

And I'm attacking the asswipes that advocate the same policies. What policies? Not only open immigration but this apparent indifference or support for the gutting of the economy through offshoring.

You know, they say that the unexamined life is not worth living, but in your case, I think it's the opposite.

Wow, speaking of unbelievable bullshit still being spewed - I'm watching Democracy Now, and they went from Obama telling the Jobs Council that he will support a lowering of the corporate income tax to create jobs, to him telling the King of Jordan that the level of violence in Syria is unacceptable and that Assad must go.

Wow!. 30 years of lowering the corporate tax, and 30 years of the corporations using that money to move factories out of the country, and still, the same bullshit is spewed, as if there was no proof that low corporate taxes don't "create jobs".

And the violence in Syria is mostly coming over the Jordan and Turkish borders, with western and Arab League-backed death squads coming into Syria and killing civilians and soldiers.

We are now totally divorced from reality.

Well lets see....
Police the borders
Stop giving citizenship to anyone born here of a non citizen
End the nitemare of the DREAM Act!!!!!!!!!
Fine those who hire illegals
stop the multi billion dollar a year fraud on Foodstamps/EBT
Close the border with Mexico etcetcetc.

Personally I'm not attacking the poor bastards that go to the US trying to stave off poverty.

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I agree.

People come here because they think they can find work. Who is employing them? Why are the employers not fined or imprisoned? Why is all the focus on the "poor bastards" who want to work and support their families.

Of course, we found a different way to solve the immigration problem....we made it so unpleasant to be here, they no longer want to come.

Because the idea is to divide the working class.

And, to get US citizens to accept further invasions of their privacy, such as the requirement that we show proof of citizenship to get jobs, on top of the fingerprinting and urinating into cups that are so commonly required now.

The entire mass of American citizens are being treated not just as potential terrorists for wanting to travel, who need radation and groping, but as potential criminals for wanting to work, to be fingerprinted and background checked.

We are living in an open prison, complete with vicious guards beating us when we get out of line.

"Papers, please" used to be an obvious clue that you were living in a totalitarian government, but not anymore. They don't even say "please" in this version.

Jim, I apaologize if you have already commented upon this... maybe I just missed it. I will have more time this evening to catch up with the goings-on here.

I just wanted to say, I would be interested to hear your thoughts on the case of mass hysteria afflicting teen girls, in Le Roy, New York. I keep thinking, that seems like the sort of thing that we can expect to see more of, in the years (or is it months? or weeks?) ahead. People will have no rational outlet for dealing with the problems underlying our entire economic existence. In medieval times, they had the Dance of Death. I wonder what the modern parallels to this might be? Maybe it will just be the zombie and vampire mania that we already see everywhere, but it seems to me like it could be much, much scarier, like the uncontrollable nervous tics that these girls have come down with.

Anyway, it seems like it could be worth a paragraph, in one of your next essays. just a thought.

No one blames immigrants or anyone else for wanting a better life. That's what I'm looking for. Overpopulation and balkanization lowers the quality of life.

Better Nothing or Something ? Better Nothing. Is this all there is to life ? Yes, limit your desires, limit life to a few bits, you will be happier, kill thoughts and memory. Amen.

There was an error, please correct the text.

this was the mistake:

"And notice how words (or thought aths, picutres, behaviors, whatever)


tihs is the correction:

"And notice how words (or thought paths, pictures, behaviors, whatever) "

from:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177908&start=25

Can we control what we think ? (and why we ? the generalized chunks of matter that resemble my man brain ? people are all chunks of matter in this philosophy), no we are driven by random, the mind can't control what it thinks. Self delusion, lie to yourself, and yet the more you lie to yourself and you know it is lying, the more you delude yourself and feel rage and angry and a sore loser and a pissed of loser, and a failure (this is the new normal) the truer that lie becomes, the more valid, reality is directly proportional to the self delusion, to the intensity of the lie: you can't do anything else but lie to yourself always. If you can't get from combination of bits A to C, then associate (a one to one correspondence) that combination to one where you can perform the previously impossible path ( a simpler path F to Y , a projection, a mkae believe, but then you may not ever be able to do the simpler F to Y, but the original A to C and you hose yourself again, go figure) making believe that it is A to C.

And what reaction can you expect from the encounter with another person (chunked out matter carved into a man brain) ? any reaction, the reaction is unknown not only to that other person, but also your own, you may become indifferent or angry or run away or anything, the other person doesn't know what reaction to have as all is always a test, a guess, combinations of bits in brains colliding and not knowing at all what the resulting new combinations will be.

But most likely, near indifference, nothing at all, very little excitement or change, just boredom, no really new thing to guess here. Encounters are mostly huge letdowns because our expectations are always too high maintenance, we are excess expectations aside from excess capacity from the outset. Be letdown, accept total letdown and free your mind. And many people create simply repetitive patterns in their everyday encouters, simplify life, a comforting repetition where everything is perfectly planned, but any slight change may become allarming a threat ?

And notice how words (or thought paths, pictures, behaviors, whatever) become alive, sometimes as you talk about things, the words become more and more real strangely, they become associated with deeper past feelings/emotions/pain/pleasures even though they are independent and probably have nothing to do with anything at all. That is why we can write the same drivel over and over again and it always looks new, even if it is exactly the same, it is always 100 % new because our man brain and universe has transitioned into a slightly new combination of bits creating a 100 % new creation, new big bang, new universe, infinitely different from anything before, completely new feelings, go for it man, it is all false, man, repeat.

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Excellent blog entry today by Charles Hugh Smith

it took me years to realize that it wasn t the mexican s fault that were taking my job, and seriously depressing wages when i can find work...partly because they are the visible sign of it...i mean, it is natural to hate the messenger, and you can t see a faceless corporation to hate or fight- and when you re trying to make enough money to survive, you aren t that worried about someone else doing the same when they after all are the closest manifestation of the problem...to your point about "papers, please", i decided in my teens that while i will study for a drug test, even cram the night before, i ll not take one...'Life, Liberty, and the persuit of WHAT?!' i sure don t like the idea of all the over the top airport security, but already don t plan on flying anywhere, so...guess i ll just wait for checkpoints along the interstate, notsohaha

Yeah, one of my co-workers was throwing a major CFT-like fit over some obese woman on medicaid that we had in the ER. She was raving about how she had to pay for the woman's food, and then she had to pay for her medical care, as well as hauling her heavy ass up on the guerney.

She was going off, and saying "I just don't know who to blame" and I said "Earl Butz", and she stopped short. "What?"

And I started explaining about the change in agricultural policy in the US, and the effect it had on the small farmers in the US and the weight of Americans, and she got all excited, because her husband was a small farmer. I think that I've mentioned him before, how first he gave up the corn, because, as she said, he was losing money on it. Well, of course he was. Only the giant farmers make money on it, and only because the government gives them subsidies, not the small ones. As Earl Butz said "Get big, or get out".

Then he gave up the wheat, then he bulldozed his apple trees, then he gave up the hogs, then the hay.

Now he works in concrete and raises a few head of cattle.

It's a shame.

When I moved here, I went 9 years without garbage pickup, because I thought that I could reduce, reuse, recycle, like a good Green.

Then I got bit by a brown recluse, which I attributed to the bags of recycling in my house, so I got trash pickup.

Now we run around on Monday nights, trying to fill the trash barrel, or at least put enough in to make it worth hauling to the curb.

Frequently we just give up, and say, "Let's give Brian (our trash guy) a break this week". And we don't put anything out.

There is a large impedance mismatch (use complex words, make the concepts vague, make it fancy and hard to understand so that it looks deeper than what it really is) between what we expect, how we imagine something to play it (and how the other person, group or machine or whatever imagines and plans how something will play out) and what really happens on the ground: what happens is always random, a fluke, you would never have expected that outcome, etc.

That is cool,our fantasizing is always just theory and pretty pictures, reality bites back, shows us who the boss is, contradicts us for fun, and all our expectations and plans and what we hope is thrown down the toilet where it belongs: so go on, plan something new, it will never play out like you expect, and even if it did, you would keep on planning new games until you lose, since what we really are all after is the loss, we want to mourn, we want to complain, we want to be unhappy as that defines our steady state (and so we have an excuse to fight back and beat someone up, as an imaginary detached abstract will power opposed our desires) it will never be ok, even if you won all everyday for a trillion years, the last second, the very last one and only loss will cancel all your wins because reality is simply the very present instantaneous configuration of bits and what it means, etc.

Life is not only not worth analyzing, it is not worth living, we must change how Matter undergoes Experience by changing the Observer, the design of the observer, shove it down the toilet and use the very toilet as a new brain, as in brainium, all could be a potential brain....


TOBOR AN APE

I want to apologize for being rude the other day.

I just can't stand to hear Americans putting down our way of life.

There are FAR more dangerous people in the world,
and they don't give a rats ass about anyone other than themselves.

Period.

Put your energy to that. Help US.

Thank You and again sorry.

Overpopulation and balkanization lowers the quality of life.

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This is another CFN "truism" that never gets challenged. I am here to challenge it.

Overpopulation does not lower quality of life.

Look at the population density figures (per sq.km.) for these countries:

COUNTRY ... POP. DENSITY (PER SQ.KM.)

Netherlands ... 402

Japan ... 339

UK ... 254

Germany ... 230

Italy ... 202

China ... 140

France ... 116

USA ... 32

Higher population density (more people per land mass)does not correlate with "lower quality of life"

The USA could easier absorb another 300 million and still not have the population density (increasing from 32 to 64) of countries with a better quality of life, countries that have a higher population density.

Why was I so happy when I was a little boy (and why should anyone give a sh*t ?) ? I could draw my cars and play in the backyard in the suburbs while mommy cooked, I could imagine my science fiction world (back then science was the future, now it is a sin) and I always played around with fake new brains decoding the world in wild fun ways, colorful ways even when I was five years old, go figure. And no one wanted to play with me, they didn't like my games. And I didn't like other people, they all sucked for me and still do, why on earth are they different from me ?!?! why and how is this even possible ?!?!? how I hate all their guts and the world's gut for being not how I want it!!! go figure...

What happend along the way ? how did I become this sad, sad huge piece of turd ? how did I degrade in time ? who knows...eat, drink and be merry, life is a bitch and god doesn't exist...

That should have been eat, drink and be merry, life is a bitch and then you die...

I have been always challenged the overpopulation myth, for me we can easily handle thousands of trillions of new skyscrpaer buildrs and oldsmobile builders...

Apology accepted.

I have been always challenging the overpopulation myth, for me we can easily handle thousands of trillions of new skyscrpaer buildrs and oldsmobile builders...

I have been always challenging the overpopulation myth, for me we can easily handle thousands of trillions of new skyscraper builders and oldsmobile builders...

Yes, but you do not provide any hard data from objective, reliable sources on the non-correlation of overpopulation and quality of life. There is no dispute over population density figures and higher population does not correlate with a "lower standard of living"

You only use trillions and trillions of skyscrapers and oldsmobiles, over and over again.

Wow, nothing but good news on the stock market! The dow is up again, to 12,575. Anyone think it will actually break through 12,600, all the way up to 13,500? I guessing no, but who knows? Work that black majik!!!

@ old69 (and your myriad of pseudonymous)

You ask: *What happened along the way? How did I become this sad, sad huge piece of turd?*

I’ll take a stab at it... you are heavily afflicted with Asperger's Syndrome...

Next up @ Vlad, super frömmler weißen Mannes...

You’re not going to like Mr. Lucas at all, he turned up at his latest films premiere with his statuesque black American g/f on arm, and this movie is an action packed one, based on fact.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0485985/

George’s swan-song project it would seem, the majors will under play it due to the colourful content...

In this day an age how sad is that?

I think that many people have responded to some of your ideas in a positive way, old.

I prefer you to notmommy, that's for sure.

Perhaps if you only posted one time, instead of repeating your posts. And when you say that you are going to vomit on the internet, it seems hostile and aggressive. And, of course, your attacks on some women are very offensive. And the long chinese posts and the long chinese translations are annoying.

But, other than that, everything's fine.

Heh, hoarding recyclables?!? About 12 years ago, I spent about 4 hours in the garage, peeling paper labels off tin cans, opening the bottoms, and flattening them. I started with about 20 paper bags full of tin cans from many years. The electric can opener failed during the second paper bag - the manual one I bought (made in USA) still works to this day. I ended up with over 75 pounds of compressed metal, that fit in the little red recycle box (16"x18"x24" approximately). I bet that might have actually been worth money to a scrap metal buyer...

You should check with your garbage collector to see if they have different collection programs. I didn't even know, but mine has smaller garbage cans that would have saved me $3/month, and also have a "call for pickup" deal which is awesome. I guess you could try working with a neighbor to cut it in half, but that would get tricky fast, I'm sure...

Wage said "Wow, Bustin, I'm really surprised at your callous attitude towards mass murder. This is not like your usual contrarian stance towards US culture. On this, you're falling right into the genocidal mindset of the average American."

I went to the movies recently. A long line of people, an assortment of Americans, waiting under warmspotlights, in every conceivable pairing, young punks, old geezers, couples, the working class, the upper class, and the uncomfortable class.

As the line grew I noticed all the movie posters on all the walls were advertising themes that stated, rather consistently: Dystopia, Chaos, Armageddon, Demonic Possession, Mass murder, etc.

So here we are, medium tempo soft rock, slowly filing past these images. The movie I saw was about the destruction of the world by a corporate military force. The movie was Avatar. Afterward the human beings were spat out of the movie theater and they scurried to their cars.

I wasn't entertained, I was disturbed.


Wage said, "I yield to no one in my dislike for fundamentalist religion."

I think you must agree that I dislike it far more than you do, and for good reason. After all, the penalty for atheism is harsher than for being a woman. I would be killed, but you, merely enslaved.

"But to say that the victims of fundamentalists should be killed for their own good is a bizarre stretch."

I never said they should be killed for their own good.

"It sounds almost Christian for you to say destroy the country in order to save it."

I never said I preferred the country be destroyed in order to save it.

I read headlines like

Loggers destroy uncontacted Awá Indians’ camp

Loggers have invaded the forest home of uncontacted Awá Indians in Brazil. According to unconfirmed reports, a camp where around 20 people were living has been destroyed, and the burnt remains of an Awá child were found nearby.

also,

India listens – after a worldwide outcry

India’s government has promised to crack down on ‘human safaris’ on the Andaman Islands after video footage emerged of Jarawa women being ordered to dance in exchange for food. We first exposed the scandal in 2010, but an undercover audio tape proves that the tours are still going on.

What's in your daily news?

;)

No, the Schadenfreude I feel about what the US Military might do to the Iranian war machine is relatively casual.

Like the feeling of Schadenfreude I might have if the tour bus from the above example happened to fail to negotiate a mountain road and tumble off a cliff.

"Sure, you don't believe in killing them all and letting God sort them out. You just believe in killing them all."

I believe if they were all killed, they should be composted. That is an incidental distinction.

Lets pretend that I think I am a modern-day Kissinger and I was the 'decider'- would I feel the same Schadenfreude toward the religious fascists? No, because I would be responsible.

If I was the decider, I'd suggest we develop a low orbit ion cannon with the resolution and zoom to have complete confidence in strike precision.

It would be like burning ants with a magnifying glass.

Old69 is like a broken clock: he's right twice a day: he says that we should build out a fantastic machine in a massive public project- which we have been doing- building missions to Mars, as well, and even funded a building boom. But lets face it, there is nothing inherently interesting about these things. The $14 trillion US GDP or our massive military isn't a big enough expense. Too bad Old69/Tegmark isn't genious with proportionality. Maybe its simple ignorance. I'll bet he's never stepped foot inside of a military base.

Old69 is merely repeating reality: the massive machine is the decades and trillions we have invested in war power. This is America's main investment. This is the jobs engine. It is the fossil fuel engine, and therefore the economic basis. The legitimacy of America as the dominant force on the planet is inherent in its war power.

Our future? The refinement of this war machine into a force that no one can possibly stand up to, so that when push comes to shove, the oil flows to the war machine, first. The war machine is why our diplomacy is so powerful. The rest of our society, increasingly since the establishment of the world economy, is secondary, even tertiary.

Hence everything will grind to a halt during peak oil- if you are in the tertiary or secondary realms in that dependency supply chain of primary energy.

The military will control and have sole access to primary energy long after the rest of the world has gone "dark".

The US military is the continuance of government plan of the United States.

There is nothing controversial about any of this, except to point out that I feel some Schadenfreude for religious fascists getting blown away by tangling with it.

In some ways, perhaps Schadenreude is a reflection of our perception on how the universe is supposed to work on a basic level. If you thrust your hand into a fan's blades you expect something to happed, and when it does, there is satisfaction, especially when the hand is not your own.

The American military, and the global oil supply chain are like a fan in that they move as a machine. That machine exists in a giant ring around Iran and is closing in.

All throughout history, we see nations engaging in wars and siege as a war strategy is a proven tactic going back to ancient times.

It is the privileged position of overwhelming dominance. It reflects post-vietnam awareness of its value. Iraq was occupied for 9 years (officially) but under siege for decades.

The siege is intensifying. War is already the condition.

It does come back to oil, but thats natural- it is a primary energy source after all.

IX,
When everything is geared and manipulated fro the Maahket, it isn't hard to understand why it looks this good on no fundamentals. What do you think Summers and the other Clintonistas were put in place for?

Everything will look like its coming up roses in the stocks until someone decides it's time to crash it and bet against it. Ooh what money they can make!

Wow, that was really you?

I just thought that it was someone changing your name slightly, like vlad kramps.

I still don't understand what you're trying to say.

You think our way of life is decent and sustainable?

I certainly never heard you say anything like that before.

Any of you CFNers a member of the American Hot Rod Association (AHRA)?? Probably not. They have a segment each night on the American Truckers Network out of Cincinnati. Its a call in show for over the road long haul truck drivers. The Dems and the left like to think of themselves as champions of the working class; the truckers calling in all night, blue collar and union, hate your guts, and hate Obamas guts to. I've never heard anything like it. I think he Dems got their work cut out for them if they want to represent anybody other than elites in the universities, people on welfare, organized homosexuals, public sector union members, illegals with fake IDs, and anybody getting a free govt. check. But its already been proven that that's enough to win elections.

Those AHRA dragsters, 1000 bhp, 0 to 300 in 1 second flat, a quarter mile covered in mere microseconds, consuming barrels of oil in a single run; its hard to believe they're still in existence. But this weekend outside Las Vegas is the first race of the season and thousands will be in attendance.

--WSP7

Sorry about the formatting erorrss.

Take a look at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Drake

He's a singer/songwriter who died of a drug overdose in 1974. Had some good tunes.

Alright Jackieblue ... a gal after mine own heart!

--WSP7

OK, I'm a woman AND an atheist. I'm double screwed.

As for the rest of your post, I still don't get how you go from describing the industrial war machine, and its effect on both tribal societies and the ecosystem, to acceptance of such atrocities.

I can describe the horrific effects of industrial capitalism also. I think that the movie Avatar was an effective illustration of it, and the military fist that makes it possible.

But the US attack on Iran would involve a lot of innocent deaths, like the usual US attacks on civilian populations.

The only Iranians I know are atheists. (I know four). And two of them are as militantly atheist as you or I.

Not that it's OK to kill Muslims.

I still am surprised by your attitude, and I don't think that your explanation was logical.

Old69/Tobor/Tegmark said:

"It all goes back to the problem of absolutes and relatives, we want absolutes but the Universe is all relative"

Heres your problem. You are forever mentioning it. You need to get it through your thick ape skull that the universe is not filled with your relatives.

Oh, wait. I know five Iranians, and the other one is also an atheist.

The countries you site are pleasant with a high quality of life. i guess it is just a personal preference. I try avoid preposterous crowds(ie. nascar or theme parks.)

I went to a Gordon Lightfoot concert last night at a small venue. There was an enthusiastic but polite audience without any mass hysteria or drama.

The old methodist philosophy: everything in moderation.

Old69/Tobor/Tegmark said:

"It all goes back to the problem of absolutes and relatives, we want absolutes but the Universe is all relative"

Heres your problem. You are forever mentioning it. You need to get it through your thick ape skull that the universe is not filled with your relatives.

Asoka said, "Overpopulation and balkanization lowers the quality of life.

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This is another CFN "truism" that never gets challenged. I am here to challenge it. "

You shouldn't challenge truisms. The fact is that a truism isn't an argument. You are only substituting an alternative truism. This is logical fallacy.

Asoka, you don't give a shit about America, so, let us know how your evangelism to your neighbors in Costa Rica to promote immigration is going.

You really are stubbornly refusing to accept that most people don't agree with you- its not that we engage in some kind of delusion. Its not like we don't have informed opinions. Most of us know what population density is like and we have our own opinions about it.

America's population density is one of its special features. You are just a troll, anyway.

Rough but true Bustinj.

I'm writing a book about my experience in central america. I have only been able to come up with the first two sentences so far.
"as soon as he stepped outside sweat started trickle down the crack of his ass. ten seconds later he was stung by his first mosquito of the day. "

have not been able to get any farther.

There is a show on weekdays at 5 PM on FOX called "THE FIVE". Sometimes I put it on while I make dinner so I can jump up and down and scream " What the fuck is wrong with you people?". It is a stress releiver. I could watch "Wheel of Fortune" at the same time but the hand clapping annoys me and the puzzles are rather easy to solve. Am I Un-American?

Sorry, Should have been reliever, I knew that. I before E except after C. Hey I actually got an edumacation in spelling back in the real USA in the 60-70's era.

You are only substituting an alternative truism. This is logical fallacy.

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No, it is not a logical fallacy when concrete data is provided to disprove the "truism."

I have an important point of view to share that is informed. I share my point of view without attacking anyone and provide more than just my opinion. That disqualifies me from being a troll.

If you dare to challenge my population density facts, cite your sources. Just calling what I say a "logical fallacy" is not an argument.

Wage said, "OK, I'm a woman AND an atheist. I'm double screwed."

Well, no, you're not in Iran.

"As for the rest of your post, I still don't get how you go from describing the industrial war machine, and its effect on both tribal societies and the ecosystem, to acceptance of such atrocities."

Wage, I am not a polemicist at heart. There are Atrocities and there are atrocities. The destruction of tribal societies are more of an atrocity because they are more poignant. We all know what is going to happen in the middle east.

In the conflict between America's corporate armies and Islamic fascism is a conflict between two great evil powers in which the ass kicking of one or both evil powers represents a net good. The conflict against tribal societies is a lopsided conflict which will surely eliminate the good and preserve only evil.

Is it clear what I consider the greater atrocity?

This is playground ethics. You support the picked on underdog and sympathize with them above and beyond the handful of other belligerents on the playground- that defines your ethical position.

Modern corporate America pretends to sympathize with the victim, but is really picking winners among the other belligerents. More, it generally sees the victim as the deserving party.

"But the US attack on Iran would involve a lot of innocent deaths, like the usual US attacks on civilian populations. "

Your standard of perfection is absurd, but clearly, munitions can be better and more precisely delivered. And that has been the mission of the US military since Vietnam. Its why we spend such a huge chunk of GDP.

WSP8 mentioned: "Dems got their work cut out for them if they want to represent anybody other than elites in the universities, people on welfare, organized homosexuals, public sector union members, illegals with fake IDs, and anybody getting a free govt. check."

Yes, and why not. Are you opposed to stimulus?

It should be distributed as a dividend, and we should aim to increase it year over year until it becomes a social safety net and guaranteed income. Otherwise, the only thing you're voting for in the voting booth is more of the same: they take from you and you don't get jack-squat back, and no one ever houses the homeless, or gets medical care, or the 44 million people that can't afford food will just have to eat shit and America will go down the tubes even farther than it has.

A guaranteed income would improve America's overall quality of life, not the importation of desperate people looking to compete for jobs and resources. Thats the system we're stuck in for now until people start demanding basic and fundamental rights- new rights. More days in the week. Higher minimum wages. Freedom from having to work, even.

The more people we liberate from desperate straits the better a society we are. The distribution of wealth is unequal. It is time for a guaranteed income. Its time to rise up and demand something concrete, and real, a vision of America as one that liberates people from having to work at jobs they don't want to do.

Why not let "the market" decide among a population of people who don't have to work as garbagemen? Is it really in society's interests to force people to work these shit jobs at wages that aren't worth it?

What the status quo is afraid of is the price of their garbage collection rising because the wage will rise. Eventually it will settle at a price the new employment market sets.

Fundamentally we are society that operates under the scheme where everyone is forced to work at jobs we don't want to do. This is a false incentive.

It has created an economy filled with jobs of no value to anyone.

The standard argument against is, If people had a choice, maybe no one would fill the Aircraft carriers, or man the cash registers, or collect the garbage.

But that is utter bullshit. A guaranteed income would mean more workers available for all jobs- because they wouldn't be running around, desperately trying to fulfill basic needs, terrorized by not having health care, or the rent paid for.

Over and above this 'safety net' minimum, this "basic benefit" of citizenship, the job economy would still exist, so people could afford all the un-necessary crap: cars, fashions, technology, etc- pretty much like they do now.

What we have now, at present, is a situation that is intolerable, a system which is broken. A system working only in the best interests of the people with all the wealth.

So a guaranteed income is a great idea- I believe it can be accomplished. It can be accomplished with a corresponding dissolution of the tax structures and government bureaucracy that supports it. We can have a more humane, advanced, democracy and society by giving up costs to pay the benefits.

A redistribution of wealth has been occurring and will occur until the people whose wealth is being destroyed and siphoned away rise up to put in place guarantees (rights) against it.

Its up to us to ask for it, demand it, educate others about it, and agitate for it, with all the enthusiasm and zeal of our ancestors who advocated so successfully for the rights we enjoy.

We have nothing to lose but our chains.

Hey O3, Right down the hill from ya and up the hill from me. The ice is really thin this year. I think without modern refrigeration people would be suffering for a nice cold beer next summer!.
Ice was "cool" years back! I've got a pike and a breaker bar but I am still looking for an ice saw! A Stihl works good though without bar oil!
Ice Harvest -- Granville, MA
February 4, 2012 to February 4, 2012
Time : Noon-3 p.m.
42 Water Street
Granville, MA
Admission : No charge; donations gratefully accepted
Come join Dennis Picard of Storrowton Village Museum as he demonstrates and encourages others to take a turn using the ice saw, breaker bar, pike pole and ice tongs to harvest ice the way our ancestors did in the days before refrigeration. For your listening pleasure, Rick Spencer will be performing a selection of songs from his “Historic Songs of American Work and Trades” program during the ice harvestHarvesting natural ice became big business in New England during the 19th
century. The birth of America’s large scale commercial ice industry began in
New England in 1805. Frederick Tudor, a Boston merchant, created the first
natural ice business in the United States. He shipped ice harvested on a pond in
Lynn Massachusetts to the West Indies. Over the next thirty years Tudor made
a fortune shipping ice around the world to places like Charleston, New
Orleans, Cuba, Calcutta, South America, China and England. British records
show that Queen Victoria purchased some ice from Massachusetts in the 1840’s

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gotta call BULLSHIT!! you provided some numbers that don t mean anything...here are some numbers: 20,000,000 here are some more: 0.5, or 1/2 the first # is the approximate mexicans who have entered the construction trades over the last twenty years or so...the second is the impact on payscales because of the first number now i don t know what you do for a living; i and millions like me have suffered immensely as a result...i d say that doesn t quite qualify as "no impact on quality of life", not by a long shot i know this is not the first time these things have been pointed out to you; that notwithstanding, i still think it is disingenuous at best of you to say something like you did...unless you are willing to admit you are either stupid, and cannot see the obvious result of millions of extra people in a disappearing labor market; or ignorant of how many people in this country work for a living- and i DON T mean data entry and retail management; i said WORK...so please, either talk about religion or something, anything else...surely this is enough of the reaction you must have been looking for, for one day...@wage: how about that for a 'CFT style rant'?

Asoka said "it is not a logical fallacy when concrete data is provided to disprove the "truism."

You cherry-pick your statistics. Your presented "evidence" has no clear correlation. In fact, as stated, your argument is not really an argument but a elaborate falsifiable statement, something in which you argue from discrete particulars in support of a general theory. I am picking logical fallacies out of it left and right.

That is the first sign of trolling. But I'll stop accusing you of such, it is fruitless.

My Dad did constuction WORK for a living And I was able to put myself through school alongside him. I would not take anything for that experience. That's why I blame a traitorous elite on both sides of the spectrum for the demise of jobs and quality of life in this country.

why does that plan sound so reasonable? for those of us who do most of the work, anyway...i ll tell you though, it s more than i m asking for; i just want enough money to buy a fuckin' house, maybe a newish truck that doesn t break down twice a year...i m old enough i don t guess i ll get to have kids, but that sure woulda been nice, too the ol' american dream, and all that...bastards...sometimes i kinda hope it all falls apart, just so i ll get to see some 'financial wizard' wearig guccis try to kill some food and start a fire, cook outside, motherfucker, like i ve had to do more than once growing up...guarantee one thing: no matter what happens, i won t be hauling their trash around for em...

Good work, cft, but I've got a immigrant here who'll do it for cheaper.

I don't know, cft, my mom talks about how the housewives on our block loved summer, when the trashmen wore no shirts, and the women could admire their tanned, muscular bodies.

Just saying.....

Hi Wage, I worked for a coupla' years as a "sanitation engineer" in a past life.1972-1975. Maybe I met your Mom then. Do you look like me? HAHA ;o)

OK, I give up on the war argument.

I agree that there needs to be a national income, as even Nixon and Milton Friedman agreed in the 70s.

The government should take the power to create money from the private sector, as authorized in Constitution, which gives Congress the power to create money and regulate its value.

Everyone in the US unable to work should get a monthly check, created as fiat money, not loaned into existence. I would include maternity leave of two years in this, to encourage people to nuture their offspring. Also, retirement at age 60, any disabled, the mentally ill, all those who end up on the streets now.

Then the government could spend more money into existence, by paying people to do public works with fiat money.

Teaching, firefighting, tree planting, health care, home repair (unemployed construction workers could be paid to fix people's houses), infrastructure building (rails, not roads), sustainable energy production, even the military, as long as it was defensive only.

The government could loan money into existence, for people who want to start their own business or farm.

Figure out what we need to live decent lives, and repair the damage to our environment, and then pay people to do it.

Why have taxes? The government can simply create the money. Our money hasn't been backed by anything but military might for 40 years.

No more corporate welfare. Let the bastards live or die on their own.

No problem, if we're not tied to them for our ability to pay the rent or buy food. It's incredibly stupid, anyway, to give them billions in tax money, which we have to pay, in the hopes that they will trickle mininum wage jobs onto us.

We need money to keep goods and services flowing, but we most certainly don't need money created as debt, which needs to ever-expand to pay back the interest.

See where Newt says he'd give Palin a big role in his administration? Whatdaya think...angling for a BJ?

thing the 'traitorous elite' (thanks, boss) never seem to realize or care about is, nobody is going to do as good a job; immigrant or otherwise...and on a lighter note, how do YOU feel about tanned muscles? that i have; i think however that i might be a tad youngish for her...(impish leer)

I wasn't born 9 months after the summer, RT.

But we did have milkmen then, also!

I think that a tan makes muscles look even better.

she d just quit half-way; leaving him with a handjob to nowhere...

mexicans who have entered the construction trades over the last twenty years

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Did they enter the trades legally or illegally. I was in the Carpenters Union and started out as an apprentice. If that is how the Mexicans worked their way up, you got no beef.

If they worked illegally, you got no beef with the Mexicans. Take it up with the employers who broke the law by hiring illegals.

Either way, stop blaming the Mexicans. You and your white kin are not victims. Stop acting like it. Stop your whining.

According to a fellow traveler, the G8 has not met since Genoa, in 2001, when they killed a protester.

But this May they are having BOTH the G8 and NATO meet in Chicago.

What's up with that?

Clearly, pissed off people, kept off islands and mountain resorts for the last 11 years, will be storming Chicago by the hundreds of thousands.

What is the elite plan?

I am very suspicious of this. Clearly, they're asking for it. Why?

Your comments on "fiat" money are interesting. This is an arcane point that has been discussed more in recent years it seems. And of course many more people now are suspicious of the federal reserve and how it was founded at Jekyll Island [sp?]. This is a totally out of left field concept for most people but it is fascinating to think about how theoretically, and perhaps constiutionally as well, the government could simply print its own money. I've even seen JFK assasination conspiracy theories which speculate that his assasination was prompted by a proposal to do just that.

It is treated as an arcane point, which is also fascinating.

Here we are in the United States of America, in which money is king. Where people will kill their grandmothers for money, where your social status depends on how much you have, where you can starve in the gutter if you have none, and the question of who makes the money? Where does it come from? How can money created by debt be paid back when only the principal is created, not the interest?

Never asked.

Love your economic plan, Wage,

It works really great in the alternative universe. Ah, the pursuit of happiness.

Well, bubblehead is right. More people are bringing up the issue.

If you read Ellen Brown's the Web of Debt, she makes the point that the history of the US includes a lot of talk about money and banks, from the Hamilton vs Jefferson debates, the first Bank of the US, the fight over the corporate charter, Andrew Jackson's fight, the rise of the bankers during the Civil War, the Greenback Party after the War, the populists and William Jennings Byran, and the cross of gold that farmers and workers were being sacrificed on, the making of the Federal Reserve, the entrance into WW1 of the US, to save the bank loans to Britain, the monetary policies of Hitler, the formation of the World Bank and the IMF, the end of the gold standard, and the beginning of the oil-backed dollar, money speculation and the takeover of national sovereignity now going on in Greece, Italy and Benton Harbor....

Oh, yeah, our ancestors fought the monetary policies of the elite. Now it's our turn.

She says that in Kansas, back in the 1890s, there would be hundreds of wagons parked in fields where the populists spoke. Farmers would come from miles around to educate themselves.

Now we have the web. Maybe that's why SOPA is being pushed through so quickly. A self-educated people are to be feared by the elite.

I left out a phrase - the G8 has not met in a city since 2001.

They've met in very out of the way places.

what difference does that make? and to reference an earlier post, i know they re only trying to make it too- i do blame the employers, as well as both govts involved, and people with attitudes like yours...you are part of the problem,too, you know; if only for advocating and agitating as you do...as to your apprenticeship, forgive my incredulity, but can you tell me what a jack stud is? how about cripples?

...before wikipedia comes back up?

Whoa! Waaaaayy kewl, I done wroted it down and I shall be there, sky-ghosts willin' and the crick don't rise! Water St. Hmmm, would that be where Noble and Cooley is? No worries, I'll look it up in the good book of W. MA cow paths and smuggling trails. ;o)

Fellow gar-bologist, eh? Damn funny world; I spent about 4 years riding the back of the spoog wagon. Hey, I was a kid; first "real" job, and it was actually kind of fun. (And buff? Holy sheisse, I could lift some hebby t'ings and put 'em back down much lighter. ;o) When they wanted me to drive it took the fun right outta it. Riding the back, we'd RUN between stops, because when the route was done, you were done and the beer quaffing began. Carefree and dangerous days.

Then, into the construction trades with CFT. Never made much for wages (non-union), but again, enjoyable and gratifying work most of the time. (I could have done without the damn-near freezing to death sometimes, but that's how she goes...)

that does clarify...and i agree, about possible motivation, and about sopa..."shudder" scary for sure; figure they re trying to push through in time for occupy spring

LOL!
Good 'un, Charlie.

Youse's is hitting the big war-drums now; lots of weird shit going down for the express purpose of "legally" corralling the populace in distinctly Orwellian [and unconstitutional] ways. We'll have to see how much fight there is between the rock and the hard place when we get there; and we most assuredly will...

i d sure as all get out like to see it too- maybe one of y all could link a video...and wear yer carharts, with maybe some of them chemical handwarmer packs...

as to your apprenticeship, forgive my incredulity, but can you tell me what a jack stud is? how about cripples?

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I could google it and bullshit you, but I was in the Carpenters Union in a large urban area.

As an apprentice they basically had me doing concrete form work for warehouses, retaining walls, etc. I wasn't doing framing or finish work. I was a grunt shoveling, carrying, and driving home double-headed nails that I later had to take out after a pour.

I worked on big commercial jobs ... framing for tilt-ups. If you've never done tilt-ups, you haven't missed anything.

I lasted two years as an apprentice carpenter and never became a journeyman carpenter. I got out while I still had a back and all my fingers. I did lose a knee ... went "pop" while squatting to snap a line. Thankfully, that's all history now.

Yo CFT, I will be there. I will be wearing a red plaid coat like Elmer Fudd and I will have a 4 ft. ice pike. Those crazy Yankees do this every year but I have never gone before. Brandy, anyone?
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sure seems like somebody is forgettin' that fighting and shootin' is our idea of a saturday afternoon wingding in these hyar parts, south of the mason-dixon line...them inner cities y all got up nawth are gonna starve out long before we do...hmm, it occurs to me y all got the ammo factories- mebbe a little bartering will be in order: trade ya some cabbage n okra for some .44s...

0 ... Big Oil
1 ... Obama

Let's face it: Big Oil is used to getting its way. But not today... and we have President Obama to thank for standing up to them in spite of the political risk. President Obama has just rejected a permit for the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline, a project that promised riches for the oil giants and an environmental disaster for the rest of us. His decision represents a victory of historic proportions for people from the pipeline's path and all across America who have waged an uphill, years-long fight against one of the most nightmarish fossil fuel projects of our time. --Robert Redford

I still give the credit to Bill McKibben and 350.org for forcing Obama's hand, through a campaign of civil disobedience in front of the White House which resulted in so many arrests and major news coverage that aroused public opinion against the pipeline. The 99% are the clear winners.

ok, ok...sorry about the knee- mine still works; but it does have a permanent *pop* most times it bends under a load

Mine locks up, but I have figured out what kind of contortion I have to do to unlock it, so it's not a big deal, except for the people staring when I'm in a public place trying to unlock it.

Niiice threads

Bustin, I have to disagree with your guaranteed income thesis. Maybe it will work, but I don't think so. It's pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking.

Giving people wealth just because they exist is the economic version of a perpetual motion machine. I'm not talking morality, just arithmetic. Who gives everyone the money? The government, right? And where does the money come from? From taxes, right? But guaranteed incomes would increase expenditures, and the government would need to increase revenue. Without taxing everything to death, the only way government can give out money is to set policy to create it. Printing money eventually devalues it and leads to destruction of the currency.

The problem with our economy is that we have created way too much debt. Debt should only be created to increase productivity, not to consume more goods and services. It's ok to consume more when you have discretionary income, not otherwise.

We already have free income - it's called Social Security and Medicare. Unfortunately, it's only for the elderly. And the government has already spent the retirees' funds and replaced them with IOUs, while making up any shortfalls from funds contributed by younger individuals who are paying out, but won't collect until they are elderly.

Social Security will be unable to make payments by 2037 - and that's if everything goes smoothly. This system is doomed to fail.

And if we cannot have a working pension system for the elderly from funds they already gave the government, how are we going to give everyone a guaranteed income? Government stimuli didn't work in 2008-2010, and won't work today.

The ultimate bottom line is that we need national reform from the largest institutions down to the individual. It would take a rebellion of the people that results in the establishment of new social values to accomplish this. Allow a capitalistic-like structure, but punish excess, greed and corruption.

My grandfather was an ice man, delivering ice for iceboxes to the locals around Boston.

Obama rejected the permit because the deadline for it requested by big oil was too short for him to adequately study the proposal. This is not a dead issue, unfortunately.


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Information Relationship

Definition of Information Relationship: A set of bits (Observer - Processor) interacting with another set of bits (External Reality).

A set of bits (particles, atoms ? granular chunks of Matter - Mass Energy as distinct moving independent parts interacting and talking to each other) as delimited and defined and assigned as an Observer (a Processor, a brain, or in our case a Man Brain) interacting, colliding, being conditioned by another set of "external" bits, (but external is assigned arbitrarily, there is no in or out, no observer and reality, just a smooth continuous monolithic slab of Matter fooling itself, making believe that it is something else, or something more than what it is, inventing and forcing self delusional relationships upon itself so as to become alive and produce a state of Experience (consciousness, logic, pain/pleasure, you name it), in other words Matter decided to go out and play while it should be sleeping in bed (aka DEAD)) acting as the external reality, the external physical world, the external constraints of an imagined "absolute" physical world acting as the input to the Observer, furnishing signals through sense organs to confirm an external reality (but I have issues with the concept of external reality, since the relationship is not anywhere, is not in any space or time, in any reference system, it is just reciprocally defining itself and interacting with itself, no absolute reference or background hence, there is no external reality, only interactions).


So an observer - processor can be any set of bits having any kinds of connections amongst themselves, any hard wired connections between some bits or groups of bits and the external reality can interact with the Observer (the chunk of Matter designated to undergo a state of Experience and Existence (phase transition into Matter becomes Experience ?), since experience must have some slight intersections with some slight and vague identity principles and non contradictions)) through another set of bits assigned the role of input; external reality through sense organs.

So the possible combinations of these bits, the Observer and the External reality defines all possible ways Matter may undergo the phase transition into Experience. Since the observer can be so many different things and combinations and so can the sense organ inputs in terms of representing the external reality, the number of possible new minds, brains, and essentially Information Relationships is truly infinite.

Just 800 bits, 100 slots of numbers, representing the Observer set of bits can be in 10 ^ 100 different configurations; and a set of 800 bits representing the External Reality can also be in 10 ^ 100 different possible combinations. And the Information Relationship set, the interaction set, the possible - potential interaction set of both groups of bits can be in 10 ^ 200 combinations of possible Experiences and Event states, event phase transitions. And considering that a Man Brain has billions of bits and so does the external reality, you can see how large the combinational state space can really get; and then considering all of the possible delimitations, possible arbitrarily assigned connections between sets of bits both externally and internally, and all the possible rules in terms of cause and effect, or symbols imposed upon the contraption, sequence of signals meanings, possible emotion/feeling/pain/pleasure states, and other ever higher denotations, and indirections and pure inventions, the more wild, impossible and abstract, the more totally incomprehensible and totally mysterious, the better, you can see that there could be trillions upon trillions (a very small number) possible new minds - brains. so the concept of BRANIUM is correct; everything you see and think and anything at all could be the representation of a new brain.

I was thinking about death, about time, about how the age of a person, born 1950 died 1998 for example conveys a sense of reference system, inserts the dead person in an abstract comforting absolute reference system, the illusion of knowing where you are, knowing where the dead are since they are delimited by symbols, symbols keeping a numerical score of that set of experiences that matter underwent when it was "alive". But interestingly the delimitation and reference system is valid only for another mind reading those symbols, inserting them in a system of knowledge etc. It is not valid for the pebble next to the grave, or to any other chunks of matter you see around you, only for those very rare chunks of point like particles considered alive and conscious and considered Man Brains. But then what makes that different from any other arbitrary make believe invention ? If it weren't arbitrary and make believe all particles of the universe would have to be alive and know what those numbers mean, the system would have to be an absolute reference system but this is not the case. So all of our reference systems are make believe phony constructions, hose them they are all telling us lies and make believes.

Parallel time dimensions, partial delimitations, multidimensional space, wildly contradictory logic, the goal is to lose yourself and all reference systems and not find yourself anywhere. Even just two bits are infinitely far from each other, totally non related, we force a relationship and look at them as one, as being something but they are both lost forever and infinitely far away from each other and completely disjoint.

Wow, and who on earth is so insane to actually read that huge pile of drivel, trype and self delusion...?


6:52 to wagelbr:

"I agree that there needs to be a national income, as even Nixon and Milton Friedman agreed in the 70s."

God punishes you by making your dream come true. You don't know what you are wishing for.

You never know how things could play out even if you did all I wanted. it could turn into a hell anyways, everything is unpredictable.

I think that that would be the wrong way to do it: you just can't bluntly say we will give out free money: you must first create large projects and goals most of the society would approve of, a large mass transit (public - private ?) BUS system that could involve alot of different companies, people, internet, software whatever. Next a large buildings program creating many different kinds of new building all over the USA, construction is good, it increase the amount of wealth in a society by lowering the cost of a basic need, houses and real estate and space for offices, etc. Next, fire the imagination of the young, start a goal of Man on Mars by 2020, you get the idea. Next set up a government (and state and local run) health care system that has most of the basics, it may not be top notch but should do most of the job people need, if you want better, more etc. good, pay for your own private health care, nothing wrong with that, etc.

And after, in the background, silently, without anyone noticing it start a very gradual different kind of welfare system where cheap health care and a small free salary and cheap rents can be gradually introduced.

Will it ever happen ? NO. Why ? because people are too conflictual, ideological, right against left, stereotyping everything, simplifying everything...

1:32 To BeanBill:

"my is that we have created way too much debt. Debt should only be created to increase productivity, not to consume more goods and services."

But what is money if not more exchanges of goods and services ? So you are dead wrong, debts actually means the need to consume ever more goods and services, so much more that there is no way that saturated western economies can do it anymore as they are all full of all of this BS.

What is productivity ? oh, you mean producing the same with fewer workers ? finding ways to produce more with less inputs ? right ? and that means somewhere down the line fewer jobs. I don't remember how many times I heard this BS of "productivity" (which no one really knows what it is and how to define it, because it is one of those abstract words that are supposed to justify firing people, restructuring and all in the name of some metaphysical entity that is undefined or defined as anything you want it to be). It really simply means increasing profits by using fewer workers, end of story.

I am sick and tired of people repeating all of the Standard Economic ideology that means nothing, is undefined, no one knows what they are talking about, there is no clear cut concrete example and understanding of how these words really map onto real day to day life etc. the same old "Productivity", "Innovation", "Startup", "Small Businesses", "Competition", "More Education", "New Skill Sets", you name it BS that hasn't provided anything to anyone in years...except huge profits to the 1 %.


God punishes you by making your dreams come true.

海鲜去哪里买,昔日公司的背景让她在创业起步阶段获得了接触大客户的机会,时间:看他是兼职还是专职,都不会太便宜的,”李兴平嘿嘿笑了,或是网站的线下宣传推广,www.tao33.com。选择了一个风格模板,不但体现在价格上,而且不赚钱。这个店主还蛮有新意的!发布这种宝贝,成本就不支撑了。但无论是凡客的如风达,自动选择第二低价格的渠道成交。

王卫是在广东做夹带的香港人。店铺已经关门,几乎每天下午都要在隔壁的高尔夫球场打球。查询收派件范围和拍照功能。他热心地帮我安排了他们年纪最大、也最可靠的一个收派员老曾。因为你最大的对手永远都是自己。看两个小时的书5.“在这种爆炸性时期,王卫开通了韩国和新加坡的派送业务,顺丰有航空运力的资源优势, 如果你拨打顺丰的4008电话,投票公司,过一天混一天就太没意思了。她还专为她开了一个博客。

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The entire idea of a parallel universe is not even important since the Information Relationship equivalent to visiting a parallel universe can be assigned and imposed upon matter by the exact same configuration of set of bits that that event would have onto a machine (the Processor ? Observer ? the Man Brain ?) that executes pure Information Relationships (the substrate of the machine and the bits is irrelevant, just the relationship is relevant). So it is with space travel and time travel, you can visit anything simply creating the exact same combination of bits corresponding to the equivalent experience.

And as a corollary this demonstrates that space and time is irrelevant, there is no external world since the sequence of configuration of bits that transit from point A to point B can be a sequence of different pictures in time, or space, or any other sequence of pictures defined according to any other kind of rule of transportation, even completely new kinds of transits from a picture to the next, not only through time and space, but through X and Y and invent another trillions of new dimensions, transit paths, transit rules (any sequence of pictures can be mapped upon new transit rules and properties, just because) defining new imaginary "external dimensions" hence external worlds, so then we go in the opposite direction, not only does an external world exist, but a hyper external world exists even compared to the standard external world, and so on, hyper hyper external worlds constructed upon the basis of the rules of transit arbitrarily assigned and equivalent to physical dimensions or analogous to physical dimension of extensions like space and time, etc.

Corresponding correspondence of bits.

Words are tags, a set of tags is a thought, concept, meanings, but words can be associated to any delimitation of bits (and notice we don't use the words particles or electrons or atoms, as it doesn't matter how matter is subdivided, or how many subparticles may be discovered, a bit is simply a small chunk of matter); but the bit itself can be a macro item, a story, an event, anything, and anything can be defined within and as a part of or being part of anything else. Reductionism no longer applies, something is not composed of something else, or associated with something else, all is just put in a bag, a bag of tags that can be read in any sequence at all, or in parallel, or partly parallel and partly sequentially, you name it. So the composition of a denotation of an indirection doesn't necessarily have to be a sequence of symbols, but a set of tags, like reading a trillion page book in a jiffy, in parallel, etc. Now, what did I want to say ? I don't remember, or maybe I didn't have anything to say ? And why does it matter if some other chunk of matter reads this drivel ? why must something be confirmed in another point of space and time by another observer ? is matter not sure of itself ? does matter need ever more security to really believe that it is valid in more than one mind, that a multitude of Observers, observing and decoding the same or similar things is more comforting for matter that decided to go out and play ? Or wouldn't it be more comforting if every observer was completely different and totally disjoint form any other, a multitude of Information Relationships not communicating.

So, when Big Oil says "Jump!"
Obama does not say "How high?"

Obama went against Big Oil and against Unions in killing the Keystone Pipeline.

whoo boy, i sure hope we don t follow the japanese growth model...the central bank of japan is forecasting 2% "economic growth", due to the expenditures associated with rebuilding after the tsunami and the cesium fountain...i feel more than a little sorry for the citizens; it is high time the entire governmental apparatus, along with the investment usurers and executives of tepco embrace a little of the old fashioned honor system- hint hint- it involves asking forgivness of their ancestors in "person"...

all of the unions were not in support...and it may not be a mortal blow; we ll have to see if it was an election year stunt i was watching bbc this morning, and saw a brief image of the tar sands operation for the first time...obscene

Final GOP Certified Iowa Vote Count

Rick Santorum – Final total: 29,839
Mitt Romney – Final total: 29,805

I'm not a mathematician, but it looks like Santorum won Iowa, not Romney.

Most people think Romney won.

Election year stunt?

To go against the big money donors who give support in elections is a stunt?

How is pissing off big donors an election year stunt?

Iran's stated focus on domestic nuclear energy production (in order to sell extra oil, excess to domestic requirements) would explain why no inspection has yet turned up weapons grade uranium (or any solid indicators that Iranian enrichment is trending towards weapons grade).

Meanwhile US ground forces are being kept busy chasing shadows in Af-stan until they can be employed in the end-game oil grab, citing Iran's nuclear intentions as cause to invade.

As BusJ said "The (US) military will control and have sole access to primary energy long after the rest of the world has gone "dark".

The US military is the continuance of government plan of the United States."

To be sure, the energy source at the centre of the Iran storm is not the type that makes things glow in the dark.....

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slut says:

"You ask: *What happened along the way? How did I become this sad, sad huge piece of turd?*

I’ll take a stab at it... you are heavily afflicted with Asperger's Syndrome..."

No, I think it is more like "Obsessive Compulsive" forcing me to write this huge pile of BS (along with other broken gears in the Man Brain...); but anyways, that is the point, who defines "Normal" ? even if a thousand trillion people (point like chunks of matter spatially and temporally separated, but acting as mostly one vague entity of sets of thought paths, communication channels between, inside, and in between the inside and outside the points, interacting with other more invariant and will power free chunks of matters (the buildings, mountains cars...), amongst (and inside each point like Observer and amongst the points, etc.)) all reach a consensus on what the normal set of patterns of behaviors and patterns of interaction between people are, who says that it has any value or worth outside what they ARBITRARILY DEFINED ? And then, as you see you go back to the modified brains problem, the absolutes and relatives problem: which brain design is the reference system, the ground state, the point zero upon which all other brains must be measured and compared to and defined ? which is reality and which is a test, a "fake brain" ? neither of the two different brain designs can declare themselves the absolute reference system, hence all is arbitrary, hence there is no "Normal".

And it is also very easy to define any behavior or pattern that is not within a statistical range of make believe and arbitrary patterns that a society, civilization but more correctly a tribe decided was the "norm" as a "sickness" needing to be "cured".

And very convenient for doctors and health care creeps making money by saying you are "autistic", you are "this" and you are "that", etc. and since you are outside of the statistical average you "must be cured" and pay me money for this.

And even more interesting is, when you see those very crazy people in crazy houses, those that have very different and frightening behaviors, how hard it is to look at them, how much a punch in the stomach those behaviors appear; they make you feel bad (and imagined "bad for them"?). But what is really going on is we are seeing a small glimpse of how very arbitrary the world is according to our definitions of normal brains, how all can change if the man brain is working differently, all of our security disintegrates, all of what we think is objective shows its subjective and variable face: once again there are no absolutes but only relatives.

A man brain is definitely the most artificial and less spontaneous contraption you can ever think of: as soon as you think and start to know other people think, and think like you or similar, you enter the infinite loop of I know you are thinking that you know that I am thinking that I know that you are thinking about this and that, and our interaction, and I can see through you partially, and I can partially guess or try to guess what you are trying to guess what I think, and I will act according to how I imagine you could judge me, knowing that the judgment could change in a jiffy if I do something that may be slightly wrong, but I can't know if it is wrong, since you may give me trick clues to make me make a mistake, and then make fun of me, but I can do the same, but then I can get confused and not be sure if the joke is on me, or you, or this or that and I can never really know where your thought paths are going and if there is an intersection with mine, if I can use you or you can use me, but then I do (or don't ?) want a dependency on you, but so do you, but then the next moment you are completely indifferent to me, or vice versa, I want to simply beat you up, or you want to me, but I want to condition you, but then I don't and you don't want to condition me, but you are conditioning me anyways and all we do does the exact opposite of what we thought we wanted, but we changed our minds, etc...

So given how fake and artificial a standard Man Brain is, any other design is just as real and maybe more authentic, less artificial, less problematic...

A deep infinite recursion of reciprocally conditioning imaginary minds (and even if they are not present as the internet shows, they can be thousands of miles away, invisible and not even existing) that become real in our mind because we know that there is some point in space and time where a real similar mind is operating...

Wow, what a blog hog I am ! That is not good manners now is it ? That is not good behavior ! Hey alexandra, slut, did you build me my trillions of skyscrapers and oldsmobile ninety eights ? why didn't you ? why did you disobey me ? please, pretty please build me what I demand...you whore get vlads black d*ldo and use it too, you horny bitch...Now crack open your skull, shove a jet engine in it, you will enter a new universe...

And notice how we can keep on writing this BS forever, the blocks of text never end, the nature of language is to be able to say similar things over and over and over again but seeming like they are saying slightly different things, that look always completely new, so strange, go figure...I hope, I really hope I run out of BS to post here, tell me it has all been said, all has been said, pretty please ?

TOBOR THE EIGHTH MAN

"Who gives everyone the money? The government, right? And where does the money come from? From taxes, right? But guaranteed incomes would increase expenditures, and the government would need to increase revenue. Without taxing everything to death, the only way government can give out money is to set policy to create it."

Have to disagree with you here (what else is new ;))

It ALSO depends on how the government prioritizes spending. On this side of the budget, there is plenty of room for redirecting expenditures towards a "monthly stipend" or what ever you want to call it. Who about a federally guaranteed rent support program?
For one thing, there is HUGE room in the millitary & "intellegence" budgets, if anyone would develop the balls to call out and make those cuts.
There is also huge waste in the IRS. By eliminating taxes on those making less than $75-100K/yr, a huge section of the IRS budget could be reduced, with enforcement focused on the wealthy & corporations.

On the revenue side, there is much room for improvement by simply eliminating all the exemptions & deductions on Corporate income taxes, and instituting a progressive rate. There are multi-billion dollar corps that pay NO taxes at all.
There are also mulit-billionaires that pay little or no taxes at all. Just look at Romney, he has admitted that he pays only %15. Less than some people on Social Security pay now.

So it IS possible for the government to 'take care' of its people without bankrupting itself or debasing the currency. Its just that the moneyed interests have hijacked it to their own ends, not the general good of the people as a whole.

"The problem with our economy is that we have created way too much debt. Debt should only be created to increase productivity, not to consume more goods and services. It's ok to consume more when you have discretionary income, not otherwise."
I agree with you here, but try telling the Republicans that, "debt doesn't matter" they will tell you, because their (& the Democrats) special interests profit off debt.

;)


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Unemployment Solved !

If we get all 7 billion people in the world to read all of my posts all day long over and over again for a trillion years, well finally unemployment will have been licked, no unemployment here anymore, it has been achieved, an age old complex, intractable social - cultural - economic and political problem has finally been solved once and for all!

Finally, everyone in the world has a clear cut productive task for them, they finally have a clear cut goal, they can finally all work and achieve by my simple solution!

Wow, and people are always thinking, and examining, and trying to figure out, and we now have thousands upon thousands of blocks of text trying to explain the complexities of the economy, what is wrong, what must be done, who's fault it is, this and that, money, OWSers, tea party, Europe, JAPAN you name it.

When all along, the solution was staring right in everyone's eyes: the very blocks of texts themselves, just let everyone worldwide read them over and over again forever, for 8 hours a day and give them a free salary and cheap rent. It has finally been solved.

Re: Garbage Warrior

It’s a testament to the self-imposed ‘inertia’ caused by complex politics and senseless bureaucracy... and his flat bed runs on the collectives home made biodiesel...if you cared to watch the end credits.

I found maverick architect Michael Reynolds ‘story’ very uplifting and right on the money, defo as 2012 is supposedly the year of anxiety ridden mayanistic doom and gloom. And ‘wow’ what a beautiful person in every sense that legal-eagle bill analyst Renni ‘Zee’ Zifferblatt was... the only ‘light’ and way through the baffling Kafkaesque mire of the senate committee...

(Many thanks for the whole film link, I really enjoyed it Asoka)

Its quality info like this which does give me the will to wade across the acreage of type drivel, oft continually repeated and uploaded here on CFN... by adult folk whom should really know better, people that are so crassly lacking in manners or personal emotional intelligence which means they really are (a) simply nuts or (b) just paid for shills briefed to debase the writings of JHK.

But thinking and critically doing ‘different’ is the only key to future success, no matter what century or what the combination of particular people, skin colour, class or creed... in charge or otherwise.

(I wonder if there’s an opening for me down in New Mexico?)

Toodle-pip

8man: You must be in California, and you must be smoking some of that 'Medical Maryjane".
Now, that is some serious strong medicine.
Care to Share? ;)

going by what it looks like: say "no" now while the electorate is watching and protesting, while leaving the option open to say "yes" later...according to bbc, he hasn t denied the possibility; only put it off until it can be 'thoroughly studied'...like i said, we ll see...

Troll Alert! Troll Alert! Please ignore the following post. Please ignore all the posts from me. Please erase all the posts from me on the Internet.

There is always one last idiotic concept that I forgot to say. Ah Shucks, when will it end ? There will always be one last concept that has not been said, why do the concepts never end ? please make them end, pretty please...

Like when we think of an item, person, situation, whatever and that thing becomes more important for us than it is for itself, like when we think of something and we actually become that something (don't we always become 100 % what we think ?). We think of item A and that item becomes more important for us than it would ever be for item A itself, nay, item A probably completely ignores itself, doesn't even know that it is the object of so much obsession and thought, would have never guessed. And why should another chunk of matter become important for a given chunk of matter ? why do chunks of matter want to be other chunks of matter, why to switch places ? because they imagine and construct a completely falsified fairy tale, greatly exaggerated on how "much better" the other chunk of matter is undergoing the phase transition of Matter to Experience. And isn't communication always a set of symbols targeting imaginary minds ? generalized imaginary potential actions and reactions (but totally unpredictable, not even for itself, not even the mind (or minds ?) itself can ever know what it will do!) according to how the neural circuits of a given mind has been programmed (throughout the personal history ?) as a reply to symbols...

And then, as soon as we think of anything, consciously, doesn't that anything become everything, don't we become exactly 100 % that item we are thinking about ? So strange, we become the contents of our thought, the Matter to Thought Converter, we become our concepts...but remember that I use "WE" only as a proxy to mean "I" or "IT" or "WHATEVER", since it is a simple device to represent the generalized contraption of similar thinking Man Brains.

besides all that, it seems if "they" can print money to flat give to the investment usurers without triggering inflation & collapse; why couldn t they do the same thing for the rest of Us? i mean, really, doesn t it make sense for the traitorous elite to keep the population from having nothing- and by extension nothing left to lose?! Rome, anyone?

Con mucho gusto, Alexandra!

Nonlinearity is the name of the game: in all areas, endeavors, in all social relationships, in all things you may think, what you think is probably cause and effect, may be the exact opposite: for example the more I do A the more I will get B, when in all truth most probably the exact opposite is operating, the more you do A the farther away from B you get (especially when two dating people interact ?) (only maybe to have B immediately occur when you least expected it ?) and so with reciprocal minds interacting, what is stable becomes always more stable and excludes a large number of possible new behavior and interaction patterns; until maybe, when you least expect it, the linearity shows up all of a sudden (was it hiding behind a nonlinearity ? or were there many layers of linearities hiding behind non linearities and so forth ?) or a completely new nonlinearity may become operative, or maybe, no you were right, it is the same old, same old linearity operating, hard work brings more wealth for a society for example, and flowers will always buy a lady's heart and such huge BS.

But the entire endeavor of constantly explaining things, analyzing, trying to figure out the "laws that are operating", the "illuminism", "positivism", "reason will set you free" myth is based on determinism, thinking that reality can be understood, controlled, constrained within a set of laws and manipulated. Nothing further from the truth (always this same idiotic sentence, when all I say is always all wrong, go figure), everything is random, pure chance, a quirk unpredictable. Therefore all of the above is totally false and everything is completely predictable, crystal clear.

Everything is linear, predictable and if you predicted wrong you are simply a loser, a sore loser...

Ignore this troll, all the information he furnishes is false, all he says is wrong and the opposite of all what he says is true...

You haven't answered my questions so I'll repeat them:

"Do you speak for the interests of the top 1%?"

"Do you have an interest in seeing people in distress? Does it give you pleasure?"

Do tell, we're waiting.

We already give money to some people without their working. It's just that it's created by debt, instead of just being true fiat money.

I did say that the government should pay for actual work. Just not skyscrapers, when we already have millions of empty houses. And not going to Mars, when we have limited oil.

Productive work, that will help the environment and the people that live here.

And you are absolutely right about the bullshit that people parrot without thinking.

Productivity has risen since the 70s, remarkably, especially with computers, which wiped out whole rooms full of people with slide rules and balance sheets and inventory pages.

And small business worship is the code phrase for massive giveaways to big business. Yes, we are going to give tax breaks to WalMart and then they will hire more people. Bullshit.

Wages are deducted from profits before taxes are calculated. They could hire many more people and just deduct their wages, but they don't. That is just one more piece of bullshit that unthinking people swallow.

asoka, Obama did not permanently stop the pipeline, he postponed it until after the election.

That would be the very definition of an election year stunt.

He said that he would veto the indefintite military detention bill, but he signed in into law on New Year's Eve. Very sneaky.

He also approved three more Monsanto GMO products that will further destroy our environment, without much publicity. He did that between Christmas and New Year's.

http://www.foodfirst.org/en/GMO+Corn+and+Soy

Obama says whatever the peons want to hear, and then does what his corporate overlords tell him to do.

You got that right.

There will be no massive oil drilling project in the US to fill the tanks of the masses.

The four wheelers will go quiet.

But if the military needs it, it will be done, destructive or not.

...The denial of the permit application doesn’t preclude any subsequent permit applications for similar projects, according to the State Department’s statement.
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Okay then, sounds like the game is still afoot to me.

IMHO, the prez'dint has been taking a lot of heat lately for being the tool of the 1% (which, of course, he is), and a [temporary] denial of a permit for a boondoggle was a pretty easy piece of legerdemain that diverts attention from all the other very nasty shit that's been signed into "law" of late.

I think we might look into the EROEI of the tarsands in the first instance. It's a naked INVESTMENT BUBBLE people, just like the whole fucking fracking farce and fiasco! This is nothing but fraud on a massive scale. (I'm a little amused that this point is conveniently glossed over, but maybe there's a good reason for that, eh?)

BTW,
Don't think the squeezing of the internet pipeline in service to the 1% is going to be signed into "law"? Just watch; do not become distracted by temporary/meaningless pronouncements from the servants of the wealthy and powerful (the federal gum'mint, in case you hadn't guessed)...

You already know the answers to those questions, Rhino. Ask a sincere question.

Although Nicole Foss, on that radio link that someone provided last week, said that she didn't think that the pipeline would ever be built, due to the massive use of natural gas to melt out the oil. (Is that what EROEI is?) I believe she said that the gas would run out before the oil was extracted.

Wage, Obama is being criticized by Newt for the decision as being against national security and against job creation.

Newt gives the reason I gave, except instead of giving credit to Bill McGibben by name, Newt says Obama is "capitulating to the radical environmental fringe" ... so Obama is being blasted by the right and by the left for the decision not to go forward NOW, TODAY, with the pipeline.

If that is Nicole's position, I am in agreement.

This was no "election year stunt" nor was it a delaying tactic with the intention of building it later.

You are right about the EROEI, Wage.

The pipeline is DEAD. It will NEVER be built.

"unless you are willing to admit you are either stupid, and cannot see the obvious result of millions of extra people in a disappearing labor market; or ignorant of how many people in this country work for a living" - Charlie letting Assoka have it

Good job Charlie. Assoka comes across as a malicious little prick. Hate stands out on him like beads of sweat.

And then his crack about your "white kin". What was THAT about? Imagine the fucking gall for presuming to know better than YOU what you and your kin are going through.

And imagine if the comment had been directed to someone black ie you and your "black kin" should stop complaining. Be grateful for what you have black man. How would THAT have come across. POS racism if you ask me.

Maybe someone should remind Assoka that this immigration issue isn't only a racial issue, it's a CLASS issue. Unless you're in the investor class you're getting fucked. People come into the country, jobs go out of the country. Progressively, year after year, decade after decade, prospects are getting worse and worse for the majority and that includes white people.

And maybe someone should ask ASSoka about the prospects for black people when the labor market expands and expands and expands all the while that jobs get offshored.

What about it Assoka? Give us your take on this. How is it for black people? Liberally salt your answer with learned references. Tell us how great unrestricted immigration combined with offshoring is for native born black Americans. I for one need a good laugh this morning.

Two generations ago uneducated immigrants could get decent paying jobs. No more.

Why the fuck the "big hearted" Assoka would support MORE people coming is beyond me. He knows full well the consequences for all involved. The only ones benefitting are the people at the top. And he would know this.

Why, yes, cft, you have nailed it on the head.

Anyone capable of independent thinking should had looked at the quick handing out of $16 trillion dollars to Wall Street and known thereafter that when they say that they can't afford teachers, or health care, or Social Security, they are lying.

$16 trillion is far more than any other program costs.

Especially Social Security. Anyone who parrots the corporate media line is willfully ignorant, or just too stupid to understand explanations.

Social Security was a direct income transfer for the first 50 years. It is a separate deduction from the federal income tax.

When Reagan cut taxes on the wealthy, he announced that the Baby Boomers, and only the Baby Boomers, needed to prepay their retirement. They needed their payroll taxes increased, and put into a trust fund, to be used for the Baby Boomers retirement, and then we would go back to the old direct transfer system.

Now, they tell us that the US government doesn't need to pay its debt to its citizens, although they insist that the US government must pay all other debts.

Now they tell us that the trust fund will run out in 2037. Yes, it was supposed to. Then we're supposed to go back to the way we did it the first fifty years, with the currents workers paying for the retirement of their forefathers in return for the security of knowing that they will in turn be taken care of.

Anyone who parrots the ruling class line that "we" can't afford to take care of our own citizens is the kind of person who still insists that the Emperor is wearing the best, most beautiful clothes they've ever seen, long after the child points out that he's naked.

It IS a sincere question.

You explicitly support policies that are disastrous for the vast majority. And that includes both immigrants and non immigrants.

Why?

And don't fucking tell me that your answer is irrelevant, that nobody listens to Asoka (as you refer to yourself). You have a lot of fellow travellers, who give full throated support for open borders, who apparently revel at the sight of impoverished families in America.

Do you speak for the interests of the top 1%?

Do you have an interest in seeing people in distress? Does it give you pleasure?

We are waiting. Or at least I am.

That is Kabuki theater, asoka.

The right wing postures and announces that Obama is a socialist, then Obama gets to look as if he's standing up to them.

I can't believe you'd fall for this.

If ozone is right, and it's not about oil, it's about speculation, then Obama will approve it next January.

You explicitly support policies that are disastrous for the vast majority.

=====================

What evidence do you have for this claim?

We'll have to wait until Feb. 2013. If we are still here, I'll remind you that the pipeline is still dead.

You can call it Kabuki theatre. I call it a victory for the 99% and for our environment, and I give nonviolent civil disobedience the credit for the victory.

A pipleine will be built. The question is whether the pipeline goes south to the USA or whether it goes to the Pacific coast of Canada to fill up tankers for transport to China.

Here's how I see it: the Pacific pipeline is running into opposition ie from landowners, Native groups, environmentalists etc. But you would know as well as I do that money fixes these things. And there's a lot of money involved: oil companies want their profits, CEOs want their bonuses, investors want their dividends, unions want the construction jobs, govts want the royalties, native bands and landowners want their payoffs and at the end of the day the Chinese want the oil and will pay for everyone. And who gives a shit about the Chinese? Nobody that I know of.

So the only issue is who gets the oil. Americans or the Chinese. Maybe Obama just decided that the Chinese should get it. If that's how it is, that's how it is.

The evidence of my own eyes. My memory goes back decades and I've seen the changes. Right in front of me. And the reportage of others that I trust.

What evidence do you use?

Oh no don't tell me ...

You still haven't answered my questions Asoka:

Do you speak for the interests of the top 1%?

Do you have an interest in seeing people in distress? Does it give you pleasure?

Still waiting. These should be easy to answer.

YES or NO will do.

Well, hello Clusterfukkers, long time eh? In this constantly changing world it's very reassuring to find one place of stability, right here! Nothing is changing here, Meth/Mika is still the same psychopath and clear-case lunatic, Vlad is still a self-hating closeted gay man who makes himself feel better about himself by demonizing other people and refusing to admit that jews, blacks, women, etc are the NOT same (hint Vlad: humanity is divided into good people, bad people and everything in between regardless of their skin, race, religion or ethnicity). Prog2 is still one of the few voices of intelligence and reason (where's Cash?) The debate is still focused on the irrelevant crap. Wage is still courageous and honest even though she's blind to her Utopian Marxist delusions. Asoka is still the same demagogue and ideologue, though his heart is (probably) in the right place. Even though I haven't seen Q around, the grammar is good enuff here for folks to express what they mean. By the way Vlad, you're much luckier than Mika/Math, being gay is OK while being crazy like Mika is not OK, and just because you're gay you don't need to hate and demonize women and other groups of people (how un-Christian of you btw). Is Tripp still posting? All's good here, spent some time back home in Germany, they're getting really testy having to pay for other people's lack of discipline and good sense. Back here in Ohio we had a bumper crop this past Sommer in our garden, gave lots of food to the kids and other willing takers, and the canning jar's don't seem to diminish on the shelfs. Reminder people: you can grow A LOT of food in the Suburban backyard, just improve your soil, use a site with full sun and good drainage, collect rainwater in barells, and use Reemay cloth and row covers instead of pesticides and herbicides (they'll give you cancer). Tschüss...

The pipeline oil goes to China either way.

The proposed route goes down to Texas, where the oil was to be refined and then sent to China.

Your four wheeler will sit quiet either way.

Hi, diogen. Nice to hear from you.

Cash is gone. Maybe his library shut down.

Q is gone. One of our posters claims to have killed him.

Other than that, you're right, we're all the same.

I still persist in my Marxist utopian delusions:)

Howdy Diogen, Q has not been around so I'll sit in for him. That would be summer, not sommer, and barrels, not barells. ;o) Welcome back. Tripp still posts occasionally. What is reemay cloth?

Dee, believe it or not, I do agree with you that in changing the government's expenditure priorities, a program would allow for some amount of guaranteed income. But think this through:

The US population is 310 million. If everyone, children included, got an income of just $200 per month - which is nothing - the total annual expenditure would be $7 trillion, which is one half of our yearly GDP. Since paying off the interest on our national debt is currently 40% of GDP, that leaves almost no money for all the social programs currently in existence, including near zero for the military. I'm in favor of cutting the defense budget, but not to the extent of leaving us defenseless.

The only way a guaranteed income program even stands a chance of working to a small degree would be if we repudiate our national debt, which would lead to global collapse and possibly war.

This leads us back to the only possible solution: A rebellion that totally changes the way we do things.

In the end, it's the arithmetic that does us in. And this is why we need to cut the US government budget so we don't run deficits. With deficits, our national debt increases, and our interest payments on it, currently at 40%, increases as well. Whether or not we have a rebellion makes no diference to the math - we're going to end up changing our ways.

I know Wagelaborer will call me a heartless bastard. I wish very much that we COULD provide everyone with a guaranteed income; I wish very much I could make everyone I know happy. But reality is reality and mathematics is mathematics.

Alexandra,

We truly live in a graceless age.

SJmom

hey RT, Reemay is very light polyester cloth that lets like 80% of the sunlight thru but keeps insects and weeds off your soil, it's so light it floats on top of the plants, and its reusable year after year. A.M. Leonard and Amazon sell it among other places. It's the God's gift to Organic gardeners. It also allows rain to go thru, and reflects heat when there's too much of it, but conserves it when there isn't, don't ask me how it works, it may just be magic.

The evidence of my own eyes.

================

So, seeing is believing. No need to ask me.

Why the hating, you ignorant sob? Get some sunshine and education in your life. "GS Elevator Gossip" over at twitter. The funniest twitter feed out there!

Still waiting. These should be easy to answer. YES or NO will do.

My answer is: MAYBE.

I am interested in the well-being of ALL, including the 1% and the 99% (which equals 100%).

Pitchforks, firearms, and nooses do not interest me. I am not angry. I am happy. I do not want harm to come to anyone.

Sorry to hear about Q, I hope the shooter was aiming at Methuselah but missed and nailed Q unintentionally, even though I've been miffed with Q on occasion, I did appreciate his finely-tuned and subtle sense of humor. Heck, I've been miffed at you Wage occasionally, but I do appreciate your principles of egalitarianism and fair treatment of people. A friend recently posed this dilemma over a few Steinkrug of fine Weissbier: suppose somehow wealth was evenly distributed between one and every individual in the world (perhaps as a result of electing YOU for the job as the Queen of the World). It's virtual certainty that within a very short time some people would become very poor again while some people would become very rich again. Such is the Human Condition Wage :) Re-destribution of wealth would never work to alleviate inequities. Only education and kultural progress would...

Beantown, I noticed you did not mention the 1.6 fiscal multiplier effect for domestic government expenditure (which is much higher than military expenditure: once you build a bomb and use it there are no more economic benefits). The domestic economy money does get recycled in the private sector. Guaranteed income (which would be low income and would be recycled completely for most people) is not a 1 to 1 proposition.



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It's virtual certainty that within a very short time some people would become very poor again while some people would become very rich again.

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Which is why I favor a 10 to 1 ratio with a minimum guaranteed income (no more "very poor") and a maximum income limit (no more "very rich")

That way everyone has the basics if they want to live poor, they can. Some people can have more luxuries and toys, if they want that, but not to an excess. The maximum income allowed would be 10 times the minimum income.

Let me use a different metaphor: a 1 to 10 breakfast ratio.

Say poor guy has $10 to spend on breakfast for one, adequate for basic nutrition, a "bread and butter" breakfast.

Rich guy would have a maximum of $100 for breakfast and can buy bread and butter but can also buy fancy jams and fancy breads, etc.

But, then, why would anyone want or need to spend more than $100 on breakfast for one?

Ha, Meth is talking to me! Meth, I showed some of your writings to my jewish friends and they were horrified by your insane garbage (except those who laughed their asses off at your inanity). And by the way, so you know, most of the jewish people I know are as critical of Israeli zionist policies as everyone else. They are sad that what started out as a hopeful beginning for the jewish people morphed into another corrupt corporate-nationalist-militarist state that has no future. And you are a caricature and a cliche of what folks like Vlad want to portray you jews as. You're your own worst enemy. Other than that, you're a pretentious ignorant prick and a psychopath. Have a nice day :)

Everything is illuminated....


Wage (I know you like this)and all other CFNers,

I apologize for not reading the thread today, Therefore I don't know if anyone recommended these must listen to streaming videos or radio.

While I'm working, however I keep up with my usual sources of info and I couldn't recommend more wholeheartedly that you listen to Guns and Butter from yesterday

http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/77020

["Iran and the Globalization of War" with Michel Chossudovsky.] What I said yesterday about us using Israel--spot on, if I do say so myself.

Keiser report: Scam On Epic Scale.

http://maxkeiser.com/


These two work together rather well....

Please do listen.

I'm trying to look critically at everything around me ... compare the reality I see with Jim's predictions and what is posted here ... so far there is nothing like collapse ... the petroleum keeps on flowing in with no end in sight ... there are winners and losers as always ... life goes on. We didn't have much growing up so now I have it pretty good and it looks like gravy to me. The Dow is up and unemployment claims are down. Yes, there are poor people, but there have always been poor people. I don't know, I just don't feel the hatred for the rich, the blacks, the Jews, Israel, Mexicans, the US etc that many do here. I think maybe that makes me an anomoly in CFN.

What gives, indeed, Jim?

--WSP7

>The maximum income allowed would be 10 times the minimum income.

Asoka, while one may argue the particular number 10, I agree this is a sound idea. A few decades ago the factor was about 40, and wealthy people didn't suffer from the lack of luxuries. Now the factor is about 400 from what I read, and this is un-American (not to mention short-sighted). There's much greater equity in Northern Europe between lower and upper earners, and the results speak for themselves.

A.,
Despite much crap-slinging, delusionary mouthings, and general paper-hanging cover-ups, there's this (concerning you and yours directly):

http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2012/01/january-16-2012-quo-vadis-britannia.html

Seems the very keen scythe of the over-burden of debt, chicanery, tomfoolery, and bait-and-switch shenanigans is coming for us all in its' own good time.

Thanks a pantload, Globalization... heckuva job!

Exactly: Energy return on energy invested. (The equations just don't prove out for tar sands or fracked gas. They're LOSERS. It's all about bilking "investors" and skimming commodities casinos in which the profiteers manipulate the pricings.)

Your Jewish friends? LOL! Nice try!


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Asoka, I honestly didn't think of that. Good point. However, without putting too much thought on the matter, if you consider the national economy as a balance sheet or income/expense statement, since our expenses almost always exceed our income, an increase on the income side would cause a greater increase on the expense side, thus exacerbating the issue even more than I originally thought.

CFN CANARD OF THE DAY:

'Overpopulation does not lower quality of life'

Then why is it Over-Population, Dimwit?

You are on a fools mission, attempting to offer Reason to that fool!

[AND WHY DID HE -SUPPOSEDLY- MOVE TO THE JUNGLE?]

Asoka, please read this link:

http://www.financialarmageddon.com/

' less than $75-100K/yr, a huge section of the IRS budget could be reduced, with enforcement focused on the wealthy & corporations.'
YES BUT...That means less govt parasites puishing paper.

Please, Scroll over the following blocks of text. It is someone sh*ting on the Internet.

Good evening ph*ktards ! Excuse me if I suck too much, but I can't really do anything about it...

We need a content that activates constant thought paths, what we want is an excuse to think and try to figure out something, a plan, an imaginary work in progress as a never ending sequence of thoughts, calculations, logical situations and imaginary sets of causes and effects that will finally bring to a new thought conclusion, so as to think that a long series of past thought paths, past events, causes and events, past guesses, past interactions with things and people (or that "special" person ?) and mistakes, you name it has finally made us reach a concluding thought synthesis: a conclusion, a definite plan, etc. But alas, it will never be so, we will always make a mistake, we will never conclude the work in progress, we will never find the final solution as it depends on random quirks, other will powers that are just as lost as you, on random changes in other people's judgments and desires, everything changes constantly because nothing can be very stable, etc.

And we are actually in love exclusively with our thought paths, ever changing, ever needing to be activated, we need content, a start point and target point, if only in our mind, if only just fantasized to keep our mental computer program running, and as the mental computer program runs and runs it gives us a feeling of achieving, of being right, of producing, of getting closer to all of our soluitons to problems (if they really are problems or imaginary problems ? and as the progam runs it activates slight good feelings, or slight satisfaction feelings ? all a very simple - complex machine our Man Brain), and as I said in the past, give them a content, they will be happy.

So we calculate a situation that depends on how another third party (or thing ? or group of persons ?) will react, should react, how we hope will react and all the intermediate steps and situations. And we try to imagine and calculate what inputs, what activities, what behaviors, what anything will bring forth a certain reaction, (but even the resulting reaction desired is never very clear, is not very clear cut, in other words, we don't really even know what we want and we are always changing our minds and ideas an judgments because we are essentially a crashed computer program with too many possible inputs and too many possible outputs not knowing which to choose or even if any should be chosen).

So what to do ? leave it to the free play of forces, don't push anything at all (or just slightly push it ?) wait to see if the action reaction will play out automatically (but I doubt it), and the golden rule: leave the reaction the job of executing some stimulation that brings forth a play of forces that may bring some desired result that you really are not even sure you want, or what you want.

Notice the level of abstraction. Jesus ph*king Christ and you slobs are insane enough to even read this ?!?!?!

AN APE

From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177908

Some corrections:

From:

http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/01/what-gives.html

Please, Scroll over the following blocks of text. It is someone sh*ting on the Internet.

Good evening ph*ktards ! Excuse me if I suck too much, but I can't really do anything about it...

We need a content that activates constant thought paths, what we want is an excuse to think and try to figure out something, a plan, an imaginary work in progress as a never ending sequence of thoughts, calculations, logical situations and imaginary sets of causes and effects that will finally bring to a new thought conclusion, so as to think that a long series of past thought paths, past events, causes and events, past guesses, past interactions with things and people (or that "special" person ?) and mistakes, you name it has finally made us reach a concluding thought synthesis: a conclusion, a definite plan, etc. But alas, it will never be so, we will always make a mistake, we will never conclude the work in progress, we will never find the final solution as it depends on random quirks, other will powers that are just as lost as you, on random changes in other people's judgments and desires, everything changes constantly because nothing can be very stable, etc.

And we are actually in love exclusively with our thought paths, ever changing, ever needing to be activated, we need content, a start point and target point, if only in our mind, if only just fantasized to keep our mental computer program running, and as the mental computer program runs and runs it gives us a feeling of achieving, of being right, of producing, of getting closer to all of our solutions to problems (if they really are problems or imaginary problems ? and as the progam runs it activates slight good feelings, or slight satisfaction feelings ? all a very simple - complex machine our Man Brain), and as I said in the past, give them a content, they will be happy.

So we calculate a situation that depends on how another third party (or thing ? or group of persons ?) will react, should react, how we hope will react and all the intermediate steps and situations. And we try to imagine and calculate what inputs, what activities, what behaviors, what anything will bring forth a certain reaction, (but even the resulting reaction desired is never very clear, is not very clear cut, in other words, we don't really even know what we want and we are always changing our minds and ideas and judgments because we are essentially a crashed computer program with too many possible inputs and too many possible outputs not knowing which to choose or even if any should be chosen).

So what to do ? leave it to the free play of forces, don't push anything at all (or just slightly push it ?) wait to see if the action reaction will play out automatically (but I doubt it), and the golden rule: leave the reaction the job of executing some stimulation that brings forth a play of forces that may bring some desired result that you really are not even sure you want, or what you want.

Notice the level of abstraction. Jesus ph*king Christ and you slobs are insane enough to even read this ?!?!?!

AN APE

Person A would like a set of actions reactions with or from person B, but person B (or A and B could be things, situations, groups whatever) lives within a set of fixed standard patterns of interactions and behaviors F, a comforting standard set of 3 or 4 base areas where all the inputs and messages are all within a certain limited range. Obviously the range can also be mapped to an imaginary other range, could be a proxy for another range (unconsciously or projections or fantasy in either or both the minds of A or/and B ?), but the basic range does not allow much wiggle room: so if person A tries to force the types of messages - behaviors - interactions within a typical standard behavior pattern in F, the result may be many and varied and could provoke many different impossible to predict outcomes, such as it may reinforce even more the standard behaviors of B and person A may be completely excluded hosed, eliminated and be assigned definitely a slot of out/loser/not part of/no interaction with anymore/sore loser etc. But it may also subtly provoke some slight opposite effect like interesting/slightly in/possible further interaction etc.

And all the intermediate and sideways and up/down/right/left more or less intense possible interactions can be activated, can be set forward, as a new play of forces in terms of actions reactions and further actions, a feedback loop (neither positive or negative, but in between ?) can commence even when you least expect it.

But more likely, the standard set of F is very stable and difficult to manipulate, change or interact with...


seapony said, "And here I thought there wssn't any good or evil in the world, that religion is just a superstitious concept... I assume the sainted Dr King did do some good if he got the left to admit to concepts of good and evil."

Evil doth never prosper, for it it prospers, none dare call it evil.

Also, "The money the police and military earn is not unearned, as you put it. They do their jobs."

It is "unearned" in this context: Global Warming.

is that the present system will enable the continuance of the social, economic, and cultural forces that will eventually end the world as we know it by the consequences of those processes. They are human processes, and the functional parts are the occupations that protect, serve, and enable it.

By creating Carbon dioxide, you are polluting a commons, which is the life support system. It is a cost shared by everyone who relies on it in common.

The functional roles of society are filled with people who are taking from the rest of the people that rely on the commons, for a transient benefit to themselves, even if they are "on a mission to protect and serve".

This is all very abstract because the system as a whole could eventually work toward- not only a solution to the problem, but repairing the damage, although that seems unlikely. They will try, though! The men will huddle around the problem and everyone will cheer them on as heroes. They'll come up with Plan A, which will be refined to plan B, then compete with plans C, D, and E, until Plan F is implemented, and then Plan G to fix Plan F's problems, and then its back to the drawing board to create Plan H to replace Plan G (and partially mediate the damage done by Plan F, until Plan H is abandoned by Professor X's great idea that results in Plan I, which requires implementing Plans J, K, and L, which together will form a Plan MNOP, which combines the effects of Plan I and JKL. After a period of time in which this Plan fails, and people start to panic, losing confidence in Plans and Planners, Grand Plan QRSTUV rev. (double you ex why zee) Is implemented in secret by the military which is not successful at all and things get much, much worse, as people start starving and lose hope.

No, it seems more likely that (a few of us) end up living underground. Not the policeman, businessman, or regular joe, but the specialists who make it possible to survive underground, and the just plain lucky- that is, the kind of luck required to get at the top of a pile of rats in a flooded basement.

And I'm sure they might have a different view of us, the people who knew a more or less stable world, the ones who caused all the damage, and even the soldiers and policemen making the world safe to burn fossil fuels and bring about a total destruction of the Earth's life support systems.

They are not going to give a care whether we recycled. They are not going to care whether we drove a hybrid or a smaller car. They are only going to care about how they are going to get enough insects to eat until tomorrow, and keep repairing and maintaining the equipment that allows them to live until a key component fails and then they will think about what they can do to mitigate the problem, as well as think about other ways to get water, and more insects (lots more insects!) or maybe they will just shoot themselves in the head at that point.

Maybe they'll climb to the surface one last time, and breathe the 500ppm CO2 air, and gaze out across a landscape of rotting decay. Maybe they'll be glad there are clouds and the temperature is temporarily in a comfortable zone. There will be nothing but the dense, wet smell of bacteria and algae. Certainly mice might exist. But there will be no sound, no artificial light, no movement. When the clouds part a blazing orb in the sky will cause the temperature to hike quickly over 110 degrees. Sunstroke is only minutes away. Hiding in the shade, it gets hotter, and hotter until it creeps above 125, and you start to lose the ability to regulate your body temperature.

Then you get woozy, lightheaded, and start to feel weak. You start to stand about, not moving like the men hanging around the streets in Baghdad in 2004. Except there is no water to sip. So its back down into the hole with you, human.

So much for a million billion prayers and the unearned and earned right to be a 21st century stooge for the True Evil Ones.

You will be gone in a few years but your plastic trash will blow across the landscape...

forever....

"Do we need to start one war after another, no, not in my opinion. And if they are too over weight and gauche for you, ohh goodness gracias."

The thing is, in the military, opinions don't count. You do what you're told. Its a direct chain of command from one person all the way down to you, and your opinion doesn't matter at all.

As to the gaucheness of military or regular people's being out of shape... ? That is a Huge Public Health Issue, an issue that is tragic-

Tragic-

with a capital "t".

The Fatness of us all is a "huge" problem.

1. Physical disability is your future
2. You are a drain on social health services
3. It is not attractive
4. You consume too much food
5. Which consume too much water
6. You annoy everyone with your obliviousness to your own blimpness
7. Lets face it your quality of life is shit as an obese person
8. You demand annual increases in sympathy for your fat ass
9. You start relying more and more on cars
10. Then you require a motorized scooter
11. Then you are multiply diabetic
13. Complications begin
...
19. Your complications have complications.

I think the problem of obesity (HUGE problem) is due primarily to the fact that America is a society where people don't have sex, alcohol (which is a driver of fatness) is the only legal drug, and people are generally miserable, but have excess cash from being such a diligent slave that they gorge themselves on the only remaining pleasure: food.

Lets face it, the only reason a lot of people live these days is because of the pleasure of eating food.

You know, that old "don't live to eat, eat to live" saying.

Obesity is the cautionary state: people ARE living just to eat.

They talk about it! All the time...

Americans LOOOVE to talk about food. Talk about types of food, good places to find food, mmmm, things they LIKE to EAT. They talk about what they should eat, shouldn't eat, every variation on the theme.

Yum, yum, yum - I'm not fat, I JUST LIKE FOOD!

Food: America's drug problem #1.

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BUT the OTHER THING about "America's Heroes(tm)"...

After they've "retired" and continue to receive free money (as generated by the world-destroying economy)... they continue to receive the respect and admiration of the General public. They eat their Pot Pies and watch cable TV and read the worshipful talk about their virtue and sacrifices (mostly from local news sources, newspapers and TV)... and they end their days, not in a blaze of righteous glory, but, dead from a heart attack after too many grilled pork sliders, dead from too many ATV expeditions into public lands to blow away wild boar, dead from too many six-packs and red meat, face down in the bowl of oatmeal 9:30 in the morning.

The United States is one of the world’s largest wildlife consumers, with J.F.K. International Airport in Queens seeing the most imports. From 2000 to 2006, approximately 1.5 billion live wild animals legally entered the country, as did about 55 million pounds of wildlife products. No one knows exactly how many animals or products enter the United States illegally each year, given the covert nature of the imports, but researchers suspect that the number is substantial.

Jobs!

JobbbS!!!!

JOBS!!!!

YAYAYYAAYYYYYYY

Gee, thanks for cheering me up, Bustin. I think I'll go out now and shoot myself.

Old69 says, to paraphrase: "(communicating an idea to someone)... may reinforce even more the standard behaviors of B and person A may be completely excluded hosed, eliminated and be assigned definitely a slot of out/loser/not part of/no interaction with anymore/sore loser etc. But it may also subtly provoke some slight opposite effect like interesting/slightly in/possible further interaction etc."

Yes! The simple fact is that someone can refuse to accept reality, or refuse to accept your conclusion even if it is makes sense and is presently fairly and validly. Further, you are correct that, in most realms of inquiry, most people will not accept your reasoning, or your conclusions, even if it is right (and sometimes just because it is!)

AT THE SAME TIME

Evolution designed our minds with many back-doors, side entrances, and trapdoors. So there is the fact that simple exposure to the idea, rejected or accepted, is integrated into their minds.

Granted, this is inserted in the "trunk" of the mind, where the "Driver" (the frontal lobes) doesn't have to think about it. But, it a rememberance, it is preserved, and by repetitive encounters with the memory (prompted by reminders) and thinking about it, vestigial neural networks are established.

At that point there is a kind of evolution occurring in the mind. The existing set of prejudices fight the incoming information. If the existing prejudices are strong, the information is ignored (unless the external reinforcement of the information is significant). If the neural network becomes sufficiently stimulated over time, it moves up from the subconscious to the level of awareness, and then into the realm of thought. Even then it must move through a physical expression matrix, which is usually occupied by the mental processes required by the task of seeking doughnuts or beer or sex.

It is actually a long period of time before they are making baby faces and stretching their mouths to start verbalizing the truth.

If you take in account every step in the process, from the communication, receiving, storage, growth, and finally an ongoing relationship with the truth, there are multiple points where the process can be derailed or stopped.

So, if I may grant a diagnosis of your intellectual evolution from the framework of the theory of mind I've outlined above, I'd say your frontal lobes are simply confused. You don't have sufficient skill or prior expertise in handling information logically. It sees all things as relative.

Or it could be a back-end problem. A messy trunk, or perhaps there is a hole in your head, its leaking information in and out.

You talk about killing thought, killing ideas off and whatnot. That could be subconscious awareness that much of the ideas you are maintaining by talking about obsessively are really just crap ideas that need to die. (here's that frontal lobe/executive function problem again: how do you get the driver to stop driving in circles, driving into the same dead ends?)

In the past there was a therapy that "hit the reset button". It involved sending a stream of electrons through the brain via electrodes. It is a well-known medical procedure performed in a controlled environment. It is still performed but a person has to demand it as treatment.

Not being able to think rationally is not a medical condition, but, I tend to think most modern practicioners would think there is a biochemical cause and recommend drugs. This is a misdiagnosis. You need the electricity for more fundamental purposes.

There is also entheogens, mushrooms, that kind of thing which have reported therapeutic benefits for the scrambled-egg brain set.

Old6699, What the F--k are you talking about???

Bustinj you're just encouraging him!!!

--WSP7

A person (or thing ? or situation ? or group ?) is a pretty face + past behaviors + the history as related to you of that person (and you to that person) + that person's idea, ideology + the body, way of moving, talking, sound of voice + past conflicts, opposition to your will power + past fights win/loses as related to person (and you to that person) + past memories good/bad + expectations of future good/bad + future happiness, fun etc. and all those applied and mixed, etc. Now how can one of the properties overtake another property, condition another ? because they form a narrative, language, that only logic and thought evaluates constantly, no instinct here, no spontaneous here (only slightly, sometimes ?) but always short lived and imprisoned in an entire host of other influencing and conditioning properties that make the person and may make the person change completely, as in always being something different. Why does a set of thought paths the person shows off (when talking) have an effect on the judgment of the person ? is the person then simply a block of texts ? No, it is a mixture of that plus the image, etc. but all influencing all...and when we want a pretty block of text but get an ugly face ? we can compensate and confuse the properties ? and vice versa, a pretty face and ugly bock of text ? and the same person according to the block of text or relationship, or experience can become good/bad, pretty/ugly, etc...

WSP7 reports: "I'm trying to look critically at everything around me ... compare the reality I see with Jim's predictions and what is posted here ... so far there is nothing like collapse ... the petroleum keeps on flowing in with no end in sight ... there are winners and losers as always ... life goes on. We didn't have much growing up so now I have it pretty good and it looks like gravy to me."

What we have here is the persistent illusion that nothing is changing even though it has never been changing faster. It is what gives.

A cumulative effect, acting on the system from outside, arising from the particular causes, which are everywhere in front of your face, which you don't recognize as such, including the sum of all effects arising from the global multitude of reactions.

It is a bias of perception toward what is in front of you, immediate, and local. That can be stretched with training to involve other reliable indicators, such as news media, and the like, but still you are limited in your intuitive ability to grasp the magnitude of what you don't see, and especially of what has been accumulated through that old, slow process of accumulation.

Therefore, we think those wizards special who look back on the records, peer at the data, and attempt to wrap their thoughts around the millions and the billions, per day, per years, per decades.

Through mathematic logic and technique one can grasp millions of years, and feel some of the weight of the hundred trillions.

One can calculate the mass or weight of all the invisible molecules of the fraction of the atmosphere that is composed of oxidized carbon molecules, and than from there do fanstastic maths that uncover its effects and produce data sets which clearly show the movement of planetary forces.

These are the scientists who study atmospheric science, and the rest of us are mere children at their knees. We look at the world through a smeary, degenerate lens of utter self-absorption. And then some of us, well trained and carefully educated, like a strange flower growing in a controlled environmnet, look up and see the movement and trajectory of whole universes, whole galaxies, and these are Astrophysicists.

Then there are the poeple who will tell you amazing things about your body and its composition, and all the ways the world interacts with it and can look out into the same scene you gaze upon and receive a wealth of information and insight about all the hidden links, and thier consequences, the forces involved, the invisible mediators of processes we detect only as scenery, and we call the people Ecologists.

And then their is Jim Kunstler who more or less rides on the shoulders of these people, and speaks in a talented way to shock people into awareness of things they might not otherwise see....

The deficits that had aimed to stave off a rerun of the Great Depression after the 2008 financial crisis now are having a depressing effect on the U.S. economy

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Beantown, the problem with a statement like this is that we will never know what would have happened if the spending had not occurred. We could be at 30% official unemployment (60% real), instead of 9% official (18% real).

You can only run the experiment once. We will never know what would have happened if we had not run the experiment. But, at the time (2007-2008), McCain, and Obama, and Bush and many economists were saying it would be financial Armageddon if we didn't run the experiment. It had broad bipartisan support.

BustinJ

You sir, are an intellectual. We are lucky to have you here.

--WSP7

So, to sum up what WSP has to say about everything....

I'm okay. Yer okay. Everything's okay.

Well, okay!

"Scroll over the following blocks of text."

Thankee kindly for the warning.

@ SJMom...

Indeed hon’ manners maketh the man, was a fond saying of my ole Gramps (ex Royal Irish Guards officer)... he never left the house without his boots shining black mirror finish, and a true gentleman he was, right till the very end and he even did that part too with good grace and full tight-lipped dignity... a passed by age.

@ Asoka...

La mitad de saber lo que quieres es saber lo que tiene que dar antes de que lo consigas.

@ Ozone

Yep, the smart and the savvy here in Blighty have long known...(much like in any other OECD nation with own currency) that national/central banks/govts perpetually print money to buy votes. It’s happening right now in the USA too as Obama’s team sits there in Chicago orchestrating his re-election campaign... you’ll see top-line stats ever improving as you get to the wire this year...

(But back to the green, green fields of England, where I am in Exmoor)

The last two decades has seen 60% of the hard purchasing power of £ sterling be stolen, softened and eroded by never ending inflation and continued money printing (QE). Waved on cheerily most recently by Mervyn King for his city bankster cronies. Guess what? Yep... big bonuses once more this year for those Goldman boyz in London!! Meanwhile the real rate of annual inflation here is consistently over 6% and increasing...

But there’s still a big difference here than say in Ireland, Spain, Portugal and Greece, as (a) many Brits own their houses so the Banks are underlining this asset base they’ve lent against, so property prices remain more or less ‘stable’ - amazing but true! And (b) we can print £ cash as much as we like... even if the bulk of the UK population continues to be fooled by economic smoke and mirrors propaganda... though at huge personal expense that will continue to be born for many years if not decades.

Which is why I never, ever bother to listen to the mainstream UK media regarding any economic or financial news... as its PR ‘soundbite’ drivel.... much as the clip below demonstrates...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7z_hd7k9zo&

Be seeing you...

"In the past there was a therapy that "hit the reset button". It involved sending a stream of electrons through the brain via electrodes." - Bustin J hinting that Old69 should go for shock therapy.

This is Old69 after the procedure:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibx09Z86PYM&feature=related

bustin do you really think everyone reads your crap and gets something out of it? not a chance!GET YOUR OWN BLOG................please

issall gooood! @wsp: uh, actually it only seems like no end of oil; that s because ya can t see the bottom of the well, and won t til it s gone...

La mitad de saber lo que quieres es saber lo que tiene que dar antes de que lo consigas.

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¡Excelente su comentario! Es muy cierto y me llegó justo en el momento que lo necesitaba.

¡Gracias, Alexandra!


Get ready for QE3. Your children, over the past few years, have had $10 trillion of future wealth stolen from their wallets by the Federal Reserve.

Now, the buzz is that they are prepared to buy mortgage-backed securities and other bonds to the tune of a QE3 of $1 trillion more. The tragicomedy of all of this is that all of the QE's, put together, have increased our national debt astronomically and REAL WAGES CONTINUE TO PLUMMET.

When will these cretins get it through their thick heads that unless household INCOME rises, there won't be durable increases in sales of ANY big-ticket items? Once again, the already-wealthy will be handed another jubilee.

If Bernanke really had you and me and our children in mind starting in 2008, instead of pumping trillions to bankers, every household in America $20,000 for a grand total of roughly $3 trillion. Virtually ALL installment credit debt would have been erased (household average is somewhere in the $8000-$9000 range). The extra $10K could have been used to forestall foreclosures for at least a year.

OWS may not be terribly well organized but if Bernanke does what the biz channels insist he's going to do SOON, the dollar will take a terrible shellacking and inflation, which I hadn't anticipated until at least 2015 may arrive far soon than that.

One would think that the Fed, seeing the net result of their multiple stimuli, would conclude that it was a gross failure. I also hate the tactic (similar to one that use "security" as an excuse for perpetual war) of FEAR used in this "war against recession" i.e., "the economy will collapse if we don't do X". The irony is that these further forays into extreme debt virtually GUARANTEE that the economy is going to collapse.

The Law of Diminishing Returns was already in effect during QE2 whose effect lasted a whopping six months while adding a quick $700B to our debt with unemployment only ticking down a few tenths of one percent (part of which could have been purely cyclical and had nothing to do with the stimulus).

One thing's for sure ... you'd better not short the STOCK MARKET is we get QE3. That's where the bankers will put all of the new money they get. Speculation is all that's left of our "economy".


E.

what gives, bearfoot? got an alternative? why the ad hominemhominemhominem, huh...?

"When the clouds part a blazing orb in the sky will cause the temperature to hike quickly over 110 degrees. Sunstroke is only minutes away. Hiding in the shade, it gets hotter, and hotter until it creeps above 125, and you start to lose the ability to regulate your body temperature."

Sounds like my trip to Vegas a few years ago.

"Notice the level of abstraction. Jesus ph*king Christ and you slobs are insane enough to even read this ?!?!?!"
-old69, tegmark, 8m, etc, etc, etc-

No, olde69, I'm not that insane. I was reading the through the thread from bottom to top, and the question marks caught my eye, leading me to read one of your posts for a second.
But only for a second.

I do like your little warnings, when I am reading the thread from top to bottom.
"Scroll over this block of text."
That's very good advice.

And it's all quite unfortunate, Old69.
You've probably got good ideas, but I'm not going to read through all of the circular prose and REPETITIVE DOUBLE AND TRIPLE POSTS -

In search of your good ideas.
Sorry.

Yes, E.

Sadly we've fallen and we can't get up.
Once we went down this rabbit hole we can't get out, so it keeps going, going going till there's nothing left.

Yep all the nation debt could have been handled better and excused once the fraud was uncovered, but the folks that won't invest in this country got the money instead. Just like BP will get the Iranian oil once we steamroll through there with our buddies NATO.

I think the citizenry here are the only ones who still think of this as a sovereign state. The elite don't.

Final note we are truly living in the age of perverse incentives.

Where do I say that Jews, Blacks, and Women are all the same? They, and Whites too, all suck in their own unique way. The World is mindlessly optimistic; always bright siding. By being relentlessly negative, I help balance it out. It's is a great science of which I am no mean pupil. I resent your leveling all down like that.

Gay? Because I criticize women? Oh aren't you original - a real little suck up. Gays are ugly and their energy fields utterly distorted. Even alot of Gays themseleves know that they suck. Even where accepted, as in the Netherlands, these poor unfortunates kill themselves at an appalling rate. Part of the explosion of gaiety may be due to exposure to plastics which mimic estrogens. The sperm counts are way down and have been so for a long time. Frogs too now are going gay so it's not just "psychological" altho it's that too of course.

And women have become mannish. Such role reversals are common near the end of a cycle. Women want to be men and men are encouraged to assume a more feminine role. Other men who hate all this become hyper masculine. Before the Russian Revolution young women were dying their hair blue and young men were wearing pink or blue granny glasses and long hair. Things repeat endlessly altho never exactly the same twice.

Courage Dio! We will see it all end and fall. And the weak will go to the wall. Have no fear, all that I have said shall come to pass. All your evil dreams will come to nothing - while my visions come to fruition in the new Aeon.

Hey Diogen, and thanks.
It's good to have you back posting with us.
Now stick around, why don't you?

I'll look into the Reemay fabric. Sounds like good stuff..

At the rate we are going, we're going to routinely be talking about quadrillions. The US probably will collapse before we hit quintillions. Remember when billions seemed like an unfathomable amount of money?

Do you really think that if households got the $20,000 they would pay off their credit cards and save the rest? How about buying that new super-duper 60" TV with dolby surround sound, thenew sofa and kitchen set, etc.?

So you hate poor Whites - what else is new? Have you told/confessed this to Alan yet? Your meditatopm isn't working. You would never mock poor Blacks or your Bhutanese. So what gives? Guess you can't live without a hate object.

Btw, none of this has anything to do with me. I'm in Washington now and am in the process of selling my "single wide" in Idaho. I now live in a regular house which I own - no mortgage.

Too bad snow wasn't Black, eh Dale?

I now live in a regular house which I own - no mortgage.

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Congratulations, Vlad! Is Washington State expensive? How much are your annual property taxes?

Nah, Turkle, I ain't saying I'm Ok, you're OK, everything is OK. If that were the case I wouldn't be reading Jim's books or frequenting this blog. I believe peak oil is real. But its hard to live up here in New England and be negative about everything or bitter. Other New Englanders here would probably say the same thing. Ozone's got a nice remote spread in rural southwest Mass., many acres in one of the most beautiful, cultured areas in North America. Ripthunder lives in a pretty little town about 30 miles north of here on the Mass.-Conn. border. It has a beautiful lake, a lovely center and a lot of open space. I don't know BeanTownBills situation on Boston; it sounds like he is getting on just fine. Myself, our place is on 2 fertile acres, a former apple orchard with many apple trees remaining, amongst well tended colonial houses that date back to the 1660's. I'm saying it would be specious for me to be griping about anything. That's all.

--WSP7

>Where do I say that Jews, Blacks, and Women are all the same?

Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. What you repeatedly imply that all jews are alike, all blacks are alike, etc. You would be a happier man if you looked for the good in people whom you demonize, and only condemn the people who objectively and personally earn your contempt thru their behavior and not their skin color or ethnicity.

You know, people of the same ethnicity are much more likely to have conflict with each other than people of different ethnicities. Just look at Chinese vs. Taiwanese, N. Koreans vs. S. Koreans, Russians vs. Ukrainians, English vs. Scotts and English vs. Irish (much bloody history there), various assorted Africans vs. their neighbors, American Indian tribes in constant warfare with other tribes before the white man exploited their conflicts, orthodox Jews vs. regular Jews, Sunni Arabs against Shia Arabs, Japanese pre-WWII vs. various other Asian nations, ... and YOU vs. other whites (e.g. politically different from you, gays, etc.)

>Gays are ugly
Thou protest too much

Peace brother!

CharlieFoxtrot and Rhino-

Great answers to asoka.s' lipflappery on immigration, guys.

I'll be waiting on his answer(s). I will guarantee you that his answers will fit into one of the following three categories:

1. All economic growth caused by immigration is good for the US and good for the world. (no peak oil or peak resources in #1, here.)

2. All immigration into the United States is to be explained and excused by a moral platitude.*

3. All immigration into the United States is justified by the burgeoning opportunities in Ethnic Entertainment and Ethnic Dining.**

*asoka.'s favorite moral platitude on Monday/Tuesday was, "Free Movement and Open Borders are the same thing as Unrestricted Permanent Immigration." What an insane joke of a Planet Killing idea this one is.

**Pangolin will, hopefully, log on this week to justify uncontrolled immigration because of its benefits for those who constantly seek novel Ethnic Dining opportunities.

Pangolin will laud ethnic dining.
I thought thats Turkle who links the 2.

Procon, I feel your pain. Every week with the same 3 arguments you consider invalid, the 3 you will not allow. Yet the objective situation does not change. La reconquista continues full bore and ain't nobody gonna stop it.

Must be difficult for you, since you, in your LEGAL immigration paranoia, think you are losing your country, when in reality it is still the USA, just different from the way you want it to be.

You will suffer until you accept the reality of a multicultural USA with 350 million, 400 million, 500 million, etc. That's just the way it's going to be. Learn to live, love, and laugh a little.