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The wheel hit a deep pothole in 2008 turning onto the off-ramp and has been wobbling badly ever since. 2008 was a warning that going through the motions isn’t enough to sustain a sense of purpose, either nationally or for individuals trying to keep their lives together ever more desperately. The cultural memory of the confident years, when we seemed to know what we were doing, and where we were going, dogs us and mocks us.

The young adults feel all that most acutely. The pain prompts them to want to deconstruct that memory. “No, it didn’t happen that way,” they are saying. All those stories about the founding of this society — of those Great Men with their powdered hair-doos writing the national charter, and the remarkable experience of the past 200-odd years — are wrong! There was nothing wonderful about it. The whole thing was a swindle!

They are feeling the wheel’s turning most painfully, since they know they will see many more turnings in the years ahead, and the direction of the wheel is vectoring downward for them. The bottom-line is less of everything, not more. That is a new ethos here in America and it’s hardly comforting: Less income, fewer comforts, more literal hardships, fewer consolations for the universal difficulty of being alive. No wonder they are angry.

It’s this simple. We landed in the New World five hundred years ago. It was full of good things that human beings had barely begun to exploit, laid out like a banquet. There was plenty of good virgin soil for growing food, the best timber in the world, clean rivers and great lakes, ores full of iron, gold, and silver, and down deep a bonanza of coal and oil to drive the wheel through very flush times. The past century was particularly supercharged, the oil years.

Imagine living through the very start of all that, the blinding, fantastic newness of modernity! Look back at the stories and images around Teddy Roosevelt and his times, and the confidence of that era just astonishes you, An emergent cavalcade of wonders: electricity, telephones, railroads, subways, skyscrapers! And in a few more years movies, cars, airplanes, radio. Even the backstage wonders of the day were astonishments: household plumbing for all, running hot water, municipal water and sewer systems, refrigeration, tractors! It’s hard to conceive how much these developments changed the human experience of daily life.

Even the traumas of the 20th century’s world wars did not crush that sense of amazing progress, at least not in North America, spared the wars’ mighty wreckage. The post-war confidence of American society achieved a level of in-your-face laughable hubris — see the USA in your Chevrolet! — until John Kennedy was shot down, and after that the delirious moonshot euphoria steadily gave way to corrosive skepticism, anxiety, acrimony, and enmity. My generation, booming into adulthood, naively thought they could fix all that with Earth Day, tofu, and computers, and keep the great wheel rolling down into an even more glorious cybernetic nirvana.

Fakeout. That’s not where the wheel is going. We borrowed all we possibly could from the future to pretend that the system was still working, and now the future is at the door like a re-po man come to take away both the car and the house. The financial scene is an excellent analog to our collective psychology. Its workings depend on the simple faith that its workings work. So, it is easy to imagine what happens when that faith wavers.

We’re on the verge of a lot of things coming apart: supply lines, revenue streams, international agreements, political assumptions, promises to do this and that. We have no idea how to keep it together on the downside. We don’t even want to think about it. The best we can do for the moment is pretend that the downside doesn’t exist. And meanwhile, fight both for social justice and to make America great again, two seemingly noble ideas, both exercises in futility. The wheel is still turning and the change of season soon upon us. What will you do?


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836 Responses to “There Is No Normal”

  1. John of the West August 19, 2019 at 10:11 am #

    Our civilization has overspent itself with no plan for how to manage any sort of transition from a broken model to a working one. What happened to Rome and countless other civilizations is going to happen to ours for the same reason – inertia and a general unwillingness to make needed changes. Now, it’s just a matter of time before things explode in our country as people begin to become angry, then desperate.

    • TraffickingInDivinity August 19, 2019 at 10:16 am #

      Hey John of the West,
      We are not like Rome. If you live in a small town that is well managed, you may never experience what they will in the large cities. Get out of debt, raise chickens, arm yourself. All will be well…..I hope.

      • CancelMyCard August 19, 2019 at 10:27 am #

        “We’re on the verge of a lot of things coming apart”

        No, we are not on the verge . . .

        . . . we have arrived. Things are coming apart as we speak.

        Some at higher rates of speed than others . . but everything is coming unglued right now.

        • K-Dog August 19, 2019 at 12:03 pm #

          What will you do?

          Fight both for social justice and to make America great in ways that matter. Seemingly noble, yes it is, seeming futile most certainly it is. Futility is irrelevant.

          Less income, fewer comforts, more literal hardships, fewer consolations for the universal difficulty of being alive. In some ways yes, but with health care guaranteed, and work security assured, then knowing the new system is committed to satisfy the needs of all citizens could make a world more worth having tomorrow than today.

          • lbs August 19, 2019 at 12:34 pm #

            With “work security guaranteed”, you are talking about adopting a system that creates universal poverty even in the absence of the resource scarcity which triggers the “long emergency”.

          • GreenAlba August 19, 2019 at 12:34 pm #

            Enjoyed your post on The Greenland Purchase, K-Dog. Impeccable logic re Himself’s actual beliefs re CC.

            Will listen to Hansen later on something with sound, thanks.

          • GreenAlba August 19, 2019 at 12:35 pm #

            The post on Chasing the Squirrel, I mean.

          • elysianfield August 19, 2019 at 12:51 pm #

            “knowing the new system is committed to satisfy the needs of all citizens could make a world more worth having tomorrow than today.”

            WWG, is that you? What the hell have you done with the dog? Have you turned him into a (sob) sheepdog?

      • shotho August 19, 2019 at 12:35 pm #

        Read Cormac McCarthy’s The Road. That’s one version of how bad things could get and it’s plausible, given the state of the character of the American people today.

      • John of the West August 20, 2019 at 7:53 am #

        It would be nice if this were the case, but healthy and thriving small towns are vanishingly rare in my part of the ‘states. Typically, they are better off if they have a large industry nearby or perform some governmental function (county seat, etc). Otherwise, the economics that led them to be created in the first place generally aren’t there anymore. Drug use is a rampant in a lot of small towns, and violent crime is a possibility, particularly if drugs and crime are mixed.

        The “small town refuge” is something I have always felt is a variation on the 4 B’s – “buy beans and build a bunker.” Any one-size-fits-all survival advice is like dropping a polar bear off in the Sahara. It is as likely that there will be well-regulated city states that provide refuge as it as likely there will be new settlements started or existing small towns which are managed as well. The trick is to stay flexible and be an asset, not a burden.

        As for being like Rome, we are very much like Rome. People confused the appearance with the essence, but the core commonalities are striking. I’ll probably write a post on both of these topics soon, and feel free to comment on both when I do.

        As an aside, I took a look at your site. Very interesting, and I’ll link to it whenever I finally put up a resources page.

    • Neon Vincent August 19, 2019 at 10:27 am #

      Hi, John. When you mention the U.S. facing the same fate as Rome, it reminds me of what John Michael Greer the Archdruid calls Trump — Orange Julius. He considers Trump to be the manifestation of Caesarism replacing democracy and republicanism in the U.S. As someone who used to enjoy the eponymous drink in malls during my youth, I appreciate it for another reason — the Orange Julius mascot was a little devil.

      Changing subjects, I always enjoy it when our host mentions Strauss and Howe and where we fit in their scheme of turnings. We’ve been in the Fourth Turning, the time of crisis, since either 2001 or 2008. As for when we’ll get out of it, S&H wrote about a “Crisis of 2020.” Looks like we’re on schedule for it, including the Retail Apocalypse and the climate crisis.

      • K-Dog August 19, 2019 at 12:08 pm #

        Neon, FYI, the American Dream Megamall is scheduled to open next month! It confused me but this mall is not in flyover country and is well placed to be the last dinosaur.

        • GreenAlba August 19, 2019 at 12:30 pm #

          Megamallosaurus.

          • GreenAlba August 19, 2019 at 12:31 pm #

            Which lends itself to all sorts of rhymes, but I’ll spare you.

          • BuckP August 19, 2019 at 1:32 pm #

            That’s a good one! Thanks for the chuckle!

    • SoftStarLight August 19, 2019 at 11:00 am #

      Yes, but Rome’s and our problems are not simply just problems of mismanaged resources and an economic system and model that needs rethinking and redoing. The problems are fundamental and go to the very core of who and what we are. Until that is addressed nothing else can be achieved. And to talk about such things in this current climate is considered heretical hate speech so it is doubtful any progress can be made in that regard.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2019 at 11:57 am #

        Yes, the Romans could not keep the Germans out. Sometimes they killed them until their arms were tired, but there were always more. Other times they invited them – using them in the Legions. They dithered, much as we do. In any case, the barbarians got in more and more as time went on.

        One big difference: They admired Rome and wanted to be part of it or take it over. Many of our immigrants do not admire us or or our Civilization at all. And for all their cultural differences, the Germans and the Romans were both White and shared some of the same ideals and ideas of Justice. None of that is true for America and our incomers.

        • SoftStarLight August 19, 2019 at 2:08 pm #

          And so our situation is even that much more dire. Dithering cannot be an option even though it seems to have been the main coping mechanism in play up to this point.

    • Goodwalkspoiled August 19, 2019 at 1:45 pm #

      As Alexander Tytler said so eloquently 200 years ago:

      A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”

      Looks like the next stop is bondage.

  2. TraffickingInDivinity August 19, 2019 at 10:13 am #

    The wheel is turning and yet we are not yet burning. It may go on for another several decades. When the national debt reached $1 trillion, I remember my Dad telling me that it was the end. Now look where we are!

  3. DEFCON1 August 19, 2019 at 10:19 am #

    Rome’s collapse was thermodynamic overreach and we are plowing down that same forlorn path.

    I am seeing more and more articles, etc. on techno-fantasies – idiotic solutions to climate change, fusion power, on and on. Many from well-meaning types who have been told that the party was just getting started when they showed up and were dumb enough to believe it.

    As always, leading the parade is the moronic trump suggesting we buy buy Greenland so it can be strip-mined and we can go back to partying like it’s 1955. He plants himself in front of screaming imbeciles in some God-forsaken place (never at home, you notice) and wallows in the sheer stupidity of the whole project.

    • SoftStarLight August 19, 2019 at 11:05 am #

      Thermodynamic overreach and nihilism. No amount of wealth can provide any sense of meaning.

      • shotho August 19, 2019 at 12:41 pm #

        Right and there is no civilization without a shared sense of purpose which is more than simple materialism. Emperor Constantine realize this and that is why he invited Christianity to be the official religion. It simply provided what was lacking at the time and it worked for awhile. We have no purpose now but to consume and that is hardly sufficient for holding civilization together. We’ve even given up on the family, stupid people.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2019 at 12:00 pm #

      They called the purchase of Alaska, “Seward’s Folly”. How wrong they were! If Global Warming is real, Greenland will become a new frontier. If it is not, it will “only” be good for its vast mineral wealth. Oil too? Who can say? Trump isn’t talking about it for nothing I assume….

      • SoftStarLight August 19, 2019 at 2:27 pm #

        I agree. It doesn’t ever hurt to have a little extra land now does it.

      • abbybwood August 19, 2019 at 9:32 pm #

        What a SHAME Greenland is not for sale.

        Eminent domain anyone??

        Going ONCE!

        TWICE!!!

        SOLD TO THE GLOBAL SUPERPOWER!!!! (Cough, hack, PUKE!!!)

        BTW, in answer to the question, “What are you doing?”

        I am flying from my current home in Los Angeles to Mount Vernon, Ohio after Labor Day to look for a house to buy and to canoe on the Kokosing River AND to play some Euchre with the locals.

        Most of my kids and grandkids are here, but I can buy a comparable house in Ohio for $70k/$800k here in Los Angeles.

        THAT is the definition of INSANITY!

        SAD.

    • My Point of View August 19, 2019 at 12:00 pm #

      Greenland is said to have 110B barrels of oil within its jurisdiction, thus the intent to get our hands on it. That, and the strategic location in the north Atlantic as shipping routes change due to melting sea ice. China and Russia are waiting in the wings, if we don’t get it they might, thus our oil dudes and DoD are keenly eyeing what happens.

      Trump’s visit to a Shell Oil refinery last week was not a coincidence, it was a signal to the oil industry that it’s game on. Reminds me of Dick Cheney’s still-secret closed door session with oil barons in 2001 as they plotted taking Iraq — for the oil. Now, the plan is to get Greenland for the oil barons to plunder, free of pesky EPA regulations.

      • K-Dog August 19, 2019 at 12:20 pm #

        Regulations on methane the industry wants. It is expensive and the big players want to be on a level field or one that favors them. If methane leaks are not controlled methane loses its status as a clean fuel. That is bad PR.

    • Uncle Bob August 19, 2019 at 11:20 pm #

      You may think Trump is stupid, but he sure knows how to get your goat :

      https://www.dailywire.com/news/50818/trump-tweets-hilarious-meme-greenland-leftists-ryan-saavedra

      Please note the actual reason for trying to buy Greenland: to provide better distance warnings of an attack by China or the guy you say owns Trump, Putin. If Putin owns Trump, why is Trump attempting to stymie his supposed liege’s efforts to attack the US? Oh, right — because the Democrat Party says he’s an idiot.

      In any case, I agree with JHK that we’re racing ruin as a society, and it’s largely due to our arrogance and the foolish belief of some of our alleged betters that man can be perfected under the right utopian system. We have countless examples of societies destroying themselves in order to meet the standards of lunatics. Even now, we’re watching Venezuela flail about in the aftermath of another experiment in socialism predictably gone awry. They just don’t get that imperfect people can’t create a perfect world, but they damn sure can destroy a functioning society through their misguided efforts at creating a utopia.

  4. AKlein August 19, 2019 at 10:20 am #

    Well, JHK, what outcome should a sane person expect when we live in a time when “anything goes and nothing matters?”

  5. Ol' Scratch August 19, 2019 at 10:21 am #

    Great work, Jim! Love the somber mood this morning, as you retrace the course of the American Industrial Growth Experiment. Reads like a wistful eulogy. And of course you can add to that list of wonders/ailments the magnificent human population growth all that industrialism demanded to service its needs and consume its output. That is the real fly in the ointment, now that the exponential growth paradigm has been exposed for the lie that it always was. What will a great many of those people be forced to do instead now that the resources are tight and the consumers too many? Well, that’s as obvious as it is unsavory, which is why no pol will ever dare say it. And that’s die, of course, at much greater than replacement rate. By a whole variety means, I’m sure, but many of which we’re seeing on display now daily.

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    • SoftStarLight August 19, 2019 at 11:11 am #

      We can’t even be bothered as a society to implement reasonable control of our borders and immigration so there will never be a possibility of any serious discussion of the overpopulation issue. What society that is serious about conserving natural habitat and resources at the same time embraces an agenda which could easily result in the arrival of millions of new people who will naturally consume resources and require habitat themselves? Well certainly not a society that truly cares about preserving natural habitat and resources clearly.

      • Ol' Scratch August 19, 2019 at 11:56 am #

        Excellent points. We’re running out of places to put them all. The west is growing more and more unsustainable, and the east coast cities can only hold so many. Crime and chaos ensues.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2019 at 12:05 pm #

        All the big Environmentalists, people like Bill McKibben and Wendell Berry, have sold out to the status quo, thus betraying their vocation. They should have been telling their Leftist followers, No, No, No, all these many years. But they caved and then pretended they didn’t – even to themselves. Such is ordinary Man. We needed and need some extraordinary Men to lead us and they just haven’t appeared. Any such are unable to rise up in the current climate. So they just tend their own gardens instead.

        • Travis August 19, 2019 at 12:13 pm #

          Hey Janos could you explain more about how McKibben and Berry have sold out to the status quo? I am interested in your take on this.

          • K-Dog August 19, 2019 at 12:29 pm #

            Deep ecology is an ecological and environmental philosophy promoting the inherent worth of living beings regardless of their instrumental utility to human needs, plus a radical restructuring of modern human societies in accordance with such ideas.

            Janos is saying that Bill and Wendell have been dancing with the devil and suffer from too much techno-narcissism. Embedded in the system as activists are, bubble-gum environmentalism is ever a danger. Social forces are always fulling the environmentally ‘woke’ back to mediocrity.

            This dog is deep green. Trying to change the system does not work and the system as is will not change without being compelled to do so and without deep systemic change we all die. The decision is not hard.

            If I’m wrong Janos can speak for himself.

          • K-Dog August 19, 2019 at 12:30 pm #

            Social forces are always pulling the environmentally ‘woke’ back to mediocrity.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2019 at 11:26 pm #

            As you may know, the Sierra Club took a gigantic bribe from a guy named Goldbaum or something – meaning “money tree”. The condition: shut up about the environmental disaster to be caused by mass immigration. These two stooges have done the same in a less dramatic way – to keep with the crowd, keep their followers (instead of challenging them) and sure all that translates as money too. Enough to live on anyway and keep doing what they love – instead of what they should be have been doing which is telling the Truth.

            In contrast, Ed Abbey said nothing else matters unless we stop the Mexicans. He also casually referred to them as an inferior race. Ecce Homo. That was a real Environmentalist.

          • K-Dog August 20, 2019 at 9:17 am #

            Janos, Turns out Abbey and I have much in common.

            ‘Throughout his life the FBI took notes building a profile on Abbey, observing his movements and interviewing many people who knew him. Towards the later parts of his life Abbey learned of the FBI’s interest in him and said “I’d be insulted if they weren’t watching me”.

            I’m insulted that they still are.

          • K-Dog August 20, 2019 at 9:18 am #

            I’m insulted that they still are.

            Is not part of the quote.

  6. FincaInTheMountains August 19, 2019 at 10:23 am #

    Continuation of last week discussion:

    Brh: Russia is going whole hog into nuclear

    Finca: When the West appears to be run by pedophiles, idolaters, Devil worshippers and Satanists, a reasonable thing to do, don’t you think?

    SSL: Lol, as if pedophiles, idolaters, and Devil worshippers don’t have power in Russia. Perhaps their simply better behaved and not exhibitionists.

    This topic is connected with the theme of the Black World Project in Russia, which is definitely present, in the most direct way, in particular with the role of sexual perversions in the promotion of public officials in office.

    And this, in turn, requires additional investigation of the possibility of the ritual significance of these perversions, such as pedophilia, in connection with the newly discovered circumstances in the United States connected with Epstein’s “suicide”, which objectively became the center of international politics.

    • SoftStarLight August 19, 2019 at 11:13 am #

      It’s amazing how quickly this story is moving out of the focus of the news cycles!

  7. robert magill August 19, 2019 at 10:24 am #

    Not only does the center not hold: there is no center in America.

    • SoftStarLight August 19, 2019 at 11:15 am #

      I never understood the importance of the center. One always seems to hear how candidates “must move to the center”. What if the center is rotten? Like the rotten core of an apple. Sometimes maybe the extremes must make up for what the center isn’t. And in the US today, the center is nothing but the status quo that everyone constantly complains about.

      • BC_EE August 19, 2019 at 12:11 pm #

        The context of “center” is the stable mass, or long-range, destabilizing elements. It is not a political reference per as.

        After all, the political center is also relative. The current US left is Canada’s center-right. US political right is Canadian extremism. Etc.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2019 at 12:11 pm #

        Yes, we need a new Center. One of the “extremes” must conquer the Hill and establish themselves as such. Hopefully it will be ours. Or at least be ready to do so after the Fall. But in all probability, any America 2.0 will just be a tattered and tawdry version of the 1950’s, because the Civic Nationalists refuse to recognize race. Thus it will quickly dissolve into grievance mongering and riots. These people are bound and determined to build on sand and will be amazed when the tide takes away what they have built.

        • K-Dog August 19, 2019 at 12:32 pm #

          All dogs eat.

          • SoftStarLight August 19, 2019 at 2:56 pm #

            But all dogs do not eat together. Nor should they.

  8. lateStarter August 19, 2019 at 10:25 am #

    Comfort and convenience in the USA – Things we will be seeing a lot less of in the near future.

    Perhaps you already are. Even if you are in the top 20% income
    bracket and are still fairly comfortable, you probably have
    begun to notice a bit more inconvenince in your day to day
    activities. Those in the top 1% haven’t noticed and probably
    won’t as long as they still have their handlers and arrangers
    managing their lives.

    For those in the bottom 50% bracket, you get to deal with more
    discomfort and inconvenience with every passing year. That’s
    why a large group of doomers hope for a fast collapse scenario:
    they don’t want to or can’t deal with the slow steady grind.

    For that shrinking group in the middle that still have jobs and
    can afford a few of life’s perks along the way, the stress and fear
    of falling off the ladder or even down a few rungs is taking its
    toll. Most young people of working age already realize they are
    not going to have the opportunities their parents had. And it only
    took three generations to play out.

    I took my chances several years ago and left the states to live in a place that had seen lots of hard times recently but was on the rebound so it hasn’t been so bad. I think most Americans alive today are just not psychologically prepared for whats ahead.

    • elysianfield August 19, 2019 at 12:57 pm #

      “. I think most Americans alive today are just not psychologically prepared for what’s ahead.”

      LS,
      So true, and a good number will not accept the inevitable without violence.

      • TiredOfTheTreadmill August 19, 2019 at 8:27 pm #

        Agreed. Violence of the verbal, economic and physica types are becoming the first and only tool many in this this country use to get what they want. We have become a shoot first and ask questions later culture. That’s sure to make life interesting as things disintigrate.

  9. jerrydylan August 19, 2019 at 10:31 am #

    What about all the social justice warrior vegans extolling the virtues of what is basically spiced up dog food..the Beyond Burger trading at nearly $12 billion market cap (for a short time) on roughly an easily copied $200 million in sales. One vegan I know keeps retorting we must end eating beef to save the planet. This person travels in a plane to vegan meetings, drives to a summer home each weekend. I guess the brain begins to falter with no cholesterol fatty acids.

    • FincaInTheMountains August 19, 2019 at 10:32 am #

      we must end eating beef to save the planet

      Stop fucking the little children would be a good start.

      • Travis August 19, 2019 at 12:15 pm #

        Now that’s something in which I totally agree with you.

      • neon sky August 19, 2019 at 12:55 pm #

        Including by Catholic priests? How long has that been going on? A thousand years or more?

        • abbybwood August 19, 2019 at 9:48 pm #

          Perhaps if the U.N. AND all the countries pass a mandatory death penalty (or life in prison without possibility of parole) regarding the trafficking of children whether for sex or slavery, we would suddenly see a MAJOR SHIFT in the saddest and most deplorable human activity currently on-going that is UNIMAGINABLE to the average human being.

          Just saying.

          Jeffery Epstein said that taking underage girls (like the 12 year old triplets sent to him from a poor family in France or Italy? negotiated by one of his PERVERT FRIENDS for his birthday in 2000?), were just like so many “stolen bagels”.

          I have been around lots and lots of bagels. But never did I consider stealing one.

    • DEFCON1 August 19, 2019 at 10:39 am #

      Aren’t they wonderful? I once attended an event hosted by an institution offering an MBA in Sustainability. The keynote speaker was introduced as a ‘rock star’ in the field who had just flown in on his private jet.

      I rose and pointed out the incredible hypocrisy of this and was roundly booed. All I could do was laugh as I got up and left.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2019 at 12:15 pm #

        Bravo for having the stones to do so. Our “solutions” reek of the same stench as the problems they are ostensibly trying to solve.

        John Az believes in Global Warming. His “solution”? Keep monitoring the problem, as if monitoring is solving. It’s like Baseball. The Stats are more important than the Game.

    • SoftStarLight August 19, 2019 at 11:20 am #

      Yes, sometimes the loudest virtue signalers are the biggest hypocrites. Sort of the like the Pharisees who prayed the loudest in public but were inwardly vipers and wolves.

      • Majella August 22, 2019 at 5:39 pm #

        Pot, kettle….

    • fugeguy August 19, 2019 at 11:57 am #

      The way we are headed we’ll be eating anything. There are no atheists in fox holes and no vegans (by choice) in times of scarcity.

    • K-Dog August 19, 2019 at 12:33 pm #

      If you have a beef with them then it seems to me you should not follow their example and just not eat the cow.

      • elysianfield August 19, 2019 at 1:06 pm #

        “If you have a beef with them then it seems to me you should not follow their example and just not eat the cow.”

        Dog,
        First they came for the cow, and I did nothing…

        Then they came for the pigs, and I did nothing…

        Then they came for the…dogs, and….

        You do know that the world is full of dog-munchers, do you not?

        • abbybwood August 19, 2019 at 10:06 pm #

          Forget dogs!!!

          If I were left to either eat my precious kitty to survive or know she would probably eat me, I would much rather die with her in my arms than to eat her!

          Rather she should eat my dead corpse! (Probably starting with my hands and wrists, which she already clearly favors).

          (As a major aside….thank God they have come up with a vaccine against “cat allergies”! This will be for all the men who say, “I am allergic to cats!” when the truth is they just HATE them for their aloofness and independence).

          • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 11:23 am #

            I have a friend (with two cats) who jokes that they only sit on your lap so they can tell when you’ve gone cold. 🙂

            I was fond of mine, but we can’t have another now because of the dog. Living in a Victorian flat, I noted her usefulness once she’d gone, as we get the occasional mouse visitor now, as you do in all Victorian buildings. I never saw one all the time we had her – just the smell of a cat (not noticeable to me) keeps the mice in their own territory.

    • butter56 August 19, 2019 at 5:10 pm #

      It makes wonder whether or not mammoths and mastodons farted during the ice age. Don’t get me wrong, i believe the planet is warming but what can you do about farting.

      • benr August 19, 2019 at 5:50 pm #

        Reptiles I am told do not fart but some may belch as do most birds.
        How ever frogs fart as well as toads and salamanders.
        All warm blooded critters expel methane in one form or another and some of our closest relatives dna wise might be some of the worst.
        While we are at it many insects also expel waste methane!
        Picking on COWS makes little sense when termites expel 20 million tons a day!
        I just read feeding cows onions and garlic will help!
        Here is to the humble garlic and onion farmers.

  10. venuspluto67 August 19, 2019 at 10:32 am #

    We landed in the New World five hundred years ago. It was full of good things that human beings had barely begun to exploit, laid out like a banquet. There was plenty of good virgin soil for growing food, the best timber in the world, clean rivers and great lakes, ores full of iron, gold, and silver, and down deep a bonanza of coal and oil to drive the wheel through very flush times.

    You forgot to mention the smallpox and bubonic plague pathogens conveniently doing the heavy lifting of clearing off the land of it original inhabitants. 😀

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    • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2019 at 12:18 pm #

      So you’re sad about that or something? Give me a break. Take your virtue display and, and, well you know what you can do with it.

      The Indians had to be dispossessed so Powigs did that. That’s why we’re here. It was us or them. We have to learn to choose US again. We matter. Others don’t. Or only after we get ours.

      • GreenAlba August 19, 2019 at 1:43 pm #

        “We matter. Others don’t. Or only after we get ours.”

        From Paul’s Letter to the Greedy F*ckers; 2:15-16.

        Here endeth the lesson. May God bless this reading from his Holy Word.

        Good to see that veneer’s almost all peeled away, though. Makes life simpler somehow.

        • BackRowHeckler August 19, 2019 at 2:40 pm #

          “They sailed from Deptford, from Greenwich, from Erith — the adventurers and settlers; kings ships and the ships of men on Change; captains, admirals, and dark ‘interlopers of the Eastern trade, and the commissioned Generals of the East India fleets. Hunters for gold or pursuers of fame, they had all gone out of that stream (the Thames) bearing the sword, and often the torch, messengers of the might within the land, bearers of the spark of that sacred fire. What greatness had not floated on the ebb of that river into the mystery of an unknown earth! … THE DREAMS OF MEN, THE SEEDS OF COMMONWEALTHS, THE GERMS OF EMPIRE! — Heart of Darkness, Joseph Conrad

          • GreenAlba August 19, 2019 at 2:52 pm #

            Germs indeed, brh. Plus Guns and Steel, as per Jared D.

        • SoftStarLight August 19, 2019 at 3:12 pm #

          I rather think that your failure to understand how, “We matter. Others don’t. Or only after we get ours.” could ever possibly be a Biblically relevant idea then you probably didn’t understand the story of Exodus in the Sunday school class that you taught. I don’t recall the Lord telling Moses to concern himself with whether or not the Egyptians “had theirs”. But you may have some insider information that I missed.

          • GreenAlba August 19, 2019 at 7:58 pm #

            You seem to be forgetting Janos claims to be ‘Christian’.

            And you seem to be forgetting that I don’t get my morality from mythical stories about a vengeful ‘god’ who incites people to rape and murder. I’ll leave that to you.

          • GreenAlba August 19, 2019 at 8:04 pm #

            I have some outsider information you missed. And will continue to miss.

          • SoftStarLight August 20, 2019 at 12:14 am #

            No I am not forgetting at all. I am also not forgetting that what you call a “vengeful ‘god’ who incites people to rape and murder” was standard operating procedure for pretty much every society that existed at the time. You know better than me how violent human history has been. Are we aware of a higher path? Obviously. But we still live in a finite world with finite resources with many people who will naturally “get theirs” no matter what it takes. The point is that we are a people too and must be pepared to defend our place. My point is that if anything, the totality of the Bible supports Janos’ position on this from everything I can tell and so you are factually incorrect to suggest his assertion is un-Christian.

          • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 6:32 am #

            “My point is that if anything, the totality of the Bible supports Janos’ position on this from everything I can tell and so you are factually incorrect to suggest his assertion is un-Christian.”

            Thank you for confirming that your mythology isn’t any kind of improvement on an actual thought-out human morality. That would be because it was created by humans, like every other religion.

            Janos has more insight than you, by the way. He at least understands, even if he hangs on to his Christianist veneer by his fingernails. But you will always just be a parrot. It’s how your indoctrination works. He’s not hidebound by the protestant evangelical tradition that endlessly invokes ‘the Word’ because it can’t allow itself to think outside it, even if it thinks God gave it a mind to think (but not too much, please, or you’ll pay dearly).

            A deity – if it existed – that says ‘do what I say’ rather than ‘do what is right’ – isn’t moral. It’s just authoritarian. And one that engages in mindfuckery with its chosen granddaddy by telling him to slit his own son’s throat as if he were a goat, isn’t just authoritarian, it’s sick. Only goat-gutting humans could have invented such a thing.

            I wish I could say it was cute the way you jump in to defend The Master’s posts, though, as if you were his mum. But I don’t find it cute.

          • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 6:40 am #

            “No I am not forgetting at all. I am also not forgetting that what you call a “vengeful ‘god’ who incites people to rape and murder” was standard operating procedure for pretty much every society that existed at the time. “

            Thank you for making my point so eloquently regarding your apparently timeless and unchanging god.

            Although your sentence is twaddle. ‘Standard procedure’ for gods or ‘standard procedure’ for people? Your god should not be bound by standard procedure for people or he has no purpose. And you have to ask why he made them like that, given he presumably had a choice in the matter. I guess he just enjoyed mindfuckery and bloodlust.

          • SoftStarLight August 20, 2019 at 9:35 am #

            Well please do inform what actual “thought-out” human morality has solved the world’s problems. As I see it, none. And only Christianity, or at least a civilization that was built upon a foundation of Christianity, was that civilization that went out into the world and actually did end up feeding the hungry and clothing the world. Though that civilization, being human, has faltered and had its faults through and through as any other would. And yes human suffering has always been and will be. I guess what I find interesting is that you often say that there can be no God or god simply because there is imperfection, suffering, hardship, etc., in the world. Yet you have not clearly identified that perfection, joy, and salvation don’t exist and the fact of the matter is that you can’t. Nor can I “prove” to you that God does indeed exist. I am not even sure you would believe what you see or hear anyway since the evidence is before all of us everyday and yet most sleep. So you live within a mythology just as you accuse me of living in a mythology. You just think you can live according to your own developed “wisdom”. Even though you also say that people are essentially inherently bloodthirsty and manipulative.

          • SoftStarLight August 20, 2019 at 9:38 am #

            And your cute little comment also lends additional evidence to the notion that you have no clue what devotion is.

          • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 11:31 am #

            Please tell me you’re not referring to your ‘devotion’ to Janos? Do you think ‘devotion’ is an appropriate emotion to express towards an unidentified entity on a blog site? Really? What would you think, really, if Janos turned out to be, as some have suggested, a honeytrap in the pay of the people you don’t like, specifically to draw in people like yourself who allow yourselves to be groomed by him?

          • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 11:46 am #

            Let’s start at the end, since it’s nearer.

            ‘I didn’t say that people are essentially inherently bloodthirsty and manipulative’. You just said that. I know that I’m not inherently bloodthirsty and manipulative and neither is anyone I know. I’m aware though, that great suffering can produce great evil, probably more than it will produce great compassion. As Slugoon says, we’re just advanced primates, but we remain primates. And primates are predatory and aggressive, but we’ve come a long way in civilising ourselves, even if that civilisation is a vulnerable veneer.

            Well please do inform what actual “thought-out” human morality has solved the world’s problems. As I see it, none. And only Christianity, or at least a civilization that was built upon a foundation of Christianity, was that civilization that went out into the world and actually did end up feeding the hungry and clothing the world.

            Right, so now Christianity went out and fed the world. So that’s a different Christianity from the one that says “We matter. Others don’t. Or only after we get ours.”

            I find you confused.

            I see no contradiction between the best of Christianity and an ‘actual thought-out human morality’ because I believe they are one and the same. All religions are ‘thought-out’ human moralities because they are all created by humans.

            Some are better than others, in my estimation. The better parts of Christianity are better than most, but others have good parts too. The problem arises when its adherents insist people blindly follow the bits that aren’t necessarily good, since, being created by humans, they include human prejudices and bigotries. And allowing them to be projected on to a deity lends them an authority they shouldn’t always have, to the detriment of the victims of those prejudices and bigotries.

            I am not at all against the idea that Christianity, where it can be separated from the bloodthirsty OT stuff, has given us an awful lot. But in my view it was given to us by that same thinking out of human morality that philosophers before Christianity were already thinking out. And we should take the good and discard the bad from all sources, as the thinking, moral beings that we are.

          • SoftStarLight August 21, 2019 at 1:11 am #

            “Do you think ‘devotion’ is an appropriate emotion to express towards an unidentified entity on a blog site? Really?”

            No mom lol, it isn’t an appropriate emotion. I’ll think things through more in the future! But, I was actually referring to devotion in the sense that in fact I was drawn to respond because of the Biblical content of the discussion. You had taken that as me simply sweeping in to defend Janos. Which if that is my perogative I am sure you are ok with that. But I was genuinely asserting that I didn’t feel that what he said was un-Christian. Was it said in a finessed and refined way? No. And it doesn’t have to be.

            As far as him being a honey trap I guess that if that is the case then it doesn’t really matter to me since I am just expressing how I feel. There isn’t anything wrong about that so I fail to see any concern. Most people who would be susceptable to a honey trap aren’t online anymore. You know how heavy handed the fist has come down on right wingers and White Nationalists. Repression only strengthens and refines those being repressed and eventually there will be a “Let My People Go” moment. But I don’t believe it and he’ll have to cuff me for me to believe :-).

          • SoftStarLight August 21, 2019 at 1:22 am #

            So in essence, you don’t see an issue with taking Christianity and harmonizing it with another belief system such as Aryan Paganism? Now I realize you would be opposed to any ethnocentric ideas, etc., but in principle it is an acceptable practice yes? It sounds as if it would be if I understand you correctly.

          • GreenAlba August 21, 2019 at 9:35 am #

            “So in essence, you don’t see an issue with taking Christianity and harmonizing it with another belief system such as Aryan Paganism? “

            I don’t see an issue with anyone attempting to harmonise whatever belief systems they choose to harmonise. Other societies have managed to paste Christianity on to an existing local voodoo culture, for example, but you might not consider their beliefs entirely Christian.

            Discussing such things is entirely legitimate. Your mind is free to do whatever it wants. But others are free to point out, if they so choose, that some things just don’t seem to work together unless you bastardise one of them to fit the other, to the extent that it is no longer what most people understand it to be. Early Christians believed Jesus was going to return within their lifetimes (not least because that’s what Jesus, bizarrely, told them), so the long-term survival of their ‘tribe’ wasn’t an imperative.

            There isn’t anything wrong about that so I fail to see any concern. Most people who would be susceptable to a honey trap aren’t online anymore. You know how heavy handed the fist has come down on right wingers and White Nationalists.

            It isn’t ‘wrong’ – you are free to do whatever you want. But I don’t know why they wouldn’t be online any more – Florid Jim has explicitly approved of your ‘martyrs’ taking out high-value targets, in the white fight, so I’m guessing that unless he’s part of the honeytrap, someone is keeping an eye on him. I presume they’re more interested in people who are likely to do something or genuinely incite others to do something than in those who just run their mouth, which is what most of us are doing.

      • CancelMyCard August 19, 2019 at 8:21 pm #

        You are an utter pig of the most lowest order.

        Fuck you and all you hold dear.

        May God have mercy on your soul.

        • SoftStarLight August 20, 2019 at 12:18 am #

          What an interesting way of sending blessings and best wishes.

          • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 6:52 am #

            Not as bad as a deity that orders its chosen people to smite hundreds of thousands of their neighbours, along with their children, babes and sucklings, and rape their women, in order to take over their land. And then pretends it’s making them better people in the process. Why did the deity ‘put’ the other people in the land it wanted for its chosen people anyway? Why didn’t it just make its chosen people and no other annoying competitors that needed to be smitten? With maybe a system of totally renewable resources so that they’d never reach population overshoot like he must have known they would?

            Did your god not make the American Indians? If so, what did he make them for?

          • SoftStarLight August 20, 2019 at 9:47 am #

            I admire that you are hungry to solve all of the world’s problems and quandaries. That sort of energy and focus is desperately needed as you already clearly understand. Why are you asking me Alba? Do I appear to have a direct line to the Lord? I am flattered that you feel that I do. What I have understood since you are asking is that God didn’t create robots when he created humans. If we were to behave exactly and only as He wanted us to, then how would we understand actual human emotions like love and loyalty? You see because those things, when they are real, are by choice. Have you ever seen the movie Invasion of the Body Snatchers? Life is a battle. Whether you are battling with other humans, with diseases, in the fields, etc. The definition of life is to eat and/or be eaten. Ultimately all energy is recycled. A life for a life. I didn’t create the framework. But because I am living within the framework I will obey its constraints. Is that too much to ask? And yes, God made the Indians. What is their purpose and destiny? Again, ask Him. At this time their descendants and enriching themselves with their land based casinos. Those casinos that White people go to to spend money. So one could argue that God also has an interesting sense of humor. But when it comes to God you only and always see the glass as half empty.

          • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 12:06 pm #

            “I admire that you are hungry to solve all of the world’s problems and quandaries. “

            I do not suffer from any such naivety or hubris. I can hardly solve my own problems and certainly can’t solve those of my family. But I believe in (a) doing the least harm possible, in relation to other people, and (b) attempting to solve problems to the extent that we can.

            What if everyone had said, regarding the hole in the ozone layer, ‘let’s just leave it – attempts to fix it are utopian, arrogance, and anything global is inherently evil and socialist and will inevitably make matters worse, as things done by governments always do? And not only that, it’s a conspiracy to get more money out of me.’

            We’d have a bigger ozone hole, that’s what. And more people would get skin cancer. But instead, countries co-operated and something was done. Good. A global good. It doesn’t happen often enough.

            ” I didn’t create the framework.

            But you think ‘God’ did. So he must take responsibility for its results. He knew what he was creating. He knew what people would do with free will. He could foresee everything. Or else he isn’t god.

            He knew many non-human animals in his creation could only feed themselves by inflicting horrible suffering on other animals and they have very little free will at all. And are not offered any afterlife as a reward for their horrible suffering within your system. Suffering to no purpose and with no redemption. And it doesn’t matter which tense I use, or what theories of time I co-opt.

            Naturally I don’t believe any of this. I believe that life evolved the way it evolved. Hence the suffering and the imperfections.

            And you are welcome to believe the opposite. It’s all fine.

            What is their purpose and destiny? Again, ask Him.

            This is the eternal religious cop -out. Don’t ask me, ask the guv’nor. It’s all a m-y-s-t-e-r-y and we’re not meant to know until we KNOW.

            But because I am living within the framework I will obey its constraints. Is that too much to ask? And yes, God made the Indians. What is their purpose and destiny? Again, ask Him. At this time their descendants and enriching themselves with their land based casinos. Those casinos that White people go to to spend money. So one could argue that God also has an interestin

          • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 12:07 pm #

            “utopian, arrogance” = utopian arrogance

          • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 12:10 pm #

            Sorry, I’ve done the same as I did with Tate – left a pasted bit of your post on the bottom as it was out of sight.

          • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 12:11 pm #

            Stops at ‘KNOW’, obviously…

          • Majella August 21, 2019 at 10:49 pm #

            You guys!! Great discussion, if only SSL wouldn’t keep falling into logical fallacies…

            Anyway, SSL – here’s some advice from a near neighbor of yours (Arkansan singer-songwriter, Iris DeMent.)

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlaoR5m4L80

          • SoftStarLight August 22, 2019 at 12:51 am #

            I love Iris and I appreciate the advice but I am a Louisiana girl and it’s difficult to reign in the fire, fervor and passion. Mysteries are too irresistible to be left alone. Are you certain you are quite so laid back? You seem to always want to know more too.

          • GreenAlba August 22, 2019 at 9:22 am #

            “and it’s difficult to reign in the fire, ”

            It’s probably very difficult to reign – in the fire. The Queen would hate it. She prefers a temperate climate. I expect you meant ‘rein in’ the fire. Giddy up 🙂

        • Majella August 21, 2019 at 10:42 pm #

          Would appreciate knowing which ‘utter pig’ you’re referring to.

      • venuspluto67 August 19, 2019 at 8:33 pm #

        Okay, I’ll bite. Why, exactly, did the Native Americans have “to be dispossessed?” And WTF are “powigs”? (Yes, I googled it. That wasn’t helpful.)

        • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2019 at 11:34 pm #

          Powdered wigs. As hunter gatherers, the Indians required lots of land. As farmers, the Whites couldn’t accommodate them. And the Indians couldn’t accommodate us either, but we didn’t ask, we took.

          Don’t you feel silly for not understanding something so utterly basic? I know you’re a smart guy, it’s “just” that your mind isn’t working in this area. You’ve been “educated” (conditioned) to now understand this. One Race was going to dominate here, and the Founders naturally chose themselves. That that’s impossible for Whites (like you) now shows how deep the poz really is.

          • venuspluto67 August 20, 2019 at 6:15 am #

            I really think it’s your understanding here that is lacking. The Natives had a thriving agricultural civilization on the Neolithic (“New Stone Age”) technological level. This meant that while they had settled agriculture, they did not have the technological advantage of the ability to fashion and use advanced metal tools, so that limited their ability to exploit the resources of the continent. (And while they also had the wheel, they did not have reliable beasts of burden the way the Europeans did, so they couldn’t really take advantage of that particular technology.) There were a few Native cultures that managed to reach the Chalcolithic level (the ability to fashion tools of limited usefulness from copper) such as Wisconsin’s “Copper Culture”, but at the time of contact with Europeans, such Native cultures were outliers.

            It was exactly because contact with our diseases burned through their population like a wildfire that they had to revert to a simpler hunter-gatherer-herder existence.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 20, 2019 at 12:54 pm #

            We crushed them because of how primitive and disorganized they were. Nothing “native American” about them. America has always been “can do” and be all you can be. Too much so? Why, yes. Can we learn from the Indians? Yes. Can we become the Indians? No, no more than they can become us. Wanting the impossible is disordered, by definition.

    • Tate August 19, 2019 at 1:31 pm #

      You forgot to mention the smallpox and bubonic plague pathogens conveniently doing the heavy lifting of clearing off the land of it original inhabitants.

      It was an accident of history, not an intentional act. He didn’t mention it because it’s irrelevant.

      • venuspluto67 August 19, 2019 at 9:17 pm #

        It was an accident of history that made much of what he was talking about possible, so I would hardly call that irrelevant.

        • Tate August 20, 2019 at 10:13 am #

          Yes, but your comment carries the usual implication of how much guilt we should feel because of it.

          Suppose it had been within the power of Europeans to say ‘play’ or ‘stay’ to the diseases they carried with them. That question would never have even occurred to any other people.

    • abbybwood August 19, 2019 at 10:14 pm #

      Did you ever read Mr. Kunstler’s “An Embarrassment of Riches”?

      Such a delicious stew of the days when the Ohio River was clear (or clearER) and some flocks of birds flew so thick that they “blocked the sun”.

      Fantastic escapades in nature with some humanity intermixed.

  11. Anthony1954 August 19, 2019 at 10:32 am #

    Words of wisdom is trying times.
    Cheers to all:

    The wheel is turning and you can’t slow down,
    You can’t let go and you can’t hold on,
    You can’t go back and you can’t stand still,
    If the thunder don’t get you then the lightning will.
    Won’t you try just a little bit harder,
    Couldn’t you try just a little bit more?
    Won’t you try just a little bit harder,
    Couldn’t you try just a little bit more?
    Round, round robin run round, got to get back to where you belong,
    Little bit harder, just a little bit more,
    A little bit further than you gone before.
    The wheel is turning and you can’t slow down,
    You can’t let go and you can’t hold on,
    You can’t go back and you can’t stand still,
    If the thunder don’t get you then the lightning will.
    Small wheel turn by the fire and rod,
    Big wheel turn by the grace of God,
    Every time that wheel turn ’round,
    Bound to cover just a little more ground.
    The wheel is turning and you can’t slow down,
    You can’t let go and you can’t hold on,
    You can’t go back and you can’t stand still,
    If the thunder don’t get you then the lightning will.
    Won’t you try just a little bit harder,
    Couldn’t you try just a little bit more?
    Won’t you try just a little bit harder,
    Couldn’t you try just a little bit more?

    Words by Jerome J. Garcia / Robert C. Hunter / William Kreutzmann
    The Wheel lyrics © Universal Music Publishing Group

    • Majella August 21, 2019 at 11:12 pm #

      …or existential angst:

      Terry Allen/Lubbock on Everything

      Well, I just left myself today
      Hell, I couldn’t wait to get away
      There’s still a smear
      Across the mirror
      That I have been
      But it won’t reflect on me again

      ‘Cause I just left myself today
      Yeah, I just packed me up and went away
      I didn’t float, I didn’t fly
      I did not transcend
      No I just walked out on me again
      Again

      • Majella August 21, 2019 at 11:14 pm #

        And he understood the ‘deplorables’ too!

        FFA

        Yeah
        He never done too good
        When he’s in high school
        Ahhh
        He never even talked
        To a popular girl
        Yeah
        He just hung around
        Down at the drive-in
        Honkin on his horn
        An drinkin Pearl
        Beer
        But he’s a Future Farmer of America
        Yeah
        Blue Jacket pride
        Of the FFA
        And
        He’s the future father
        Of some president
        Who’ll be another pain-in-the-ass
        For the U S of A
        He’ll be another pain-in-the-ass
        For the U S of A

  12. Lawfish August 19, 2019 at 10:40 am #

    As for me, I’ve got 7 chickens and a solid stockpile of ammo. I’m giving up on growing food as it is so work-intensive. I have proven over the last 7 years that I can grow food sustainably, so I can always start back if the SHTF.

    Otherwise, I have learned how to brew beer and distill spirits. Those skills will be in high demand as the world gets poorer. I figure it’s good for bartering.

    I’m also very good at catching fish without the use of a boat, so there’s another good bartering skill.

    Lawfish

    • Ol' Scratch August 19, 2019 at 12:11 pm #

      I was reading the other day that potatoes are the only crop worth growing in bulk if you actually had to live entirely off a garden. They’re the only thing calorie intensive enough to actually sustain you for the work involved, with chickens for eggs and some meat as protein being the best compliment. Grains are more problematic, while vegetables are mostly a luxury, as they’re just not calorie intensive enough for the work and resources required to be worthwhile as a main foodstuff.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2019 at 12:22 pm #

        That’s how Uncle Ted K saw it too. The Irish were strong on milk and potatoes. Pretty miserable but it is said they were a healthy people despite the lean diet. Until the crop failed….

        • K-Dog August 19, 2019 at 12:36 pm #

          That is right. Buttermilk and potatoes can sustain and on a two acre McMansion lot there is not room for much else.

        • venuspluto67 August 19, 2019 at 8:41 pm #

          Yeah, they really should have had more than one variety of potato that they cultivated. Of course, peeps don’t think catastrophe will strike them until it actually does. :-/

      • CancelMyCard August 19, 2019 at 8:29 pm #

        “vegetables are mostly a luxury”

        Bullshit.

        There has been significant agricultural research on how many calories per square meter can be grown efficiently.

        That is, how much can you grow of a specific crop in the amount of soil that can sustain the crop, and how much calories per given amount of space can be grown.

        The winner, top of the charts, and unchallenged by potatoes . . .

        Garlic.

        Winner, hands down.

        • venuspluto67 August 19, 2019 at 8:42 pm #

          It’s hard to imagine eating garlic like you would eat potatoes.

          • benr August 20, 2019 at 10:37 am #

            Hard to imagine eating garlic alone three meals a day!

          • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 12:16 pm #

            Roasted garlic is very heaven. Just cut it through like a grapefruit and drizzle a bit of oil on it. I could eat a dozen. Obviously it’s even better slow roasted along with a nice shoulder of lamb, but it can stand on its own merits too. Or with a bit of blue cheese melted on it.

          • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 2:05 pm #

            Eating it three times a day, it would be oozing out of your pores. Seriously. But everyone else would smell the same so you wouldn’t notice. And it causes more of a pong if eaten raw.

          • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 2:05 pm #

            Keeps vampires away too. What’s not to like?

          • Majella August 21, 2019 at 11:34 pm #

            It may not be so (can’t find proof of it online) but my grandmother told me that the garlic-breath (and/or pores) smell is not the garlic but the toxins in your system that are being purged by consuming it. If you eat some EVERY day (raw or otherwise), it cleans your blood and eventually, there’s no longer a smell attached. Sound plausible?

          • GreenAlba August 22, 2019 at 9:26 am #

            Who knows, Majella?

            Just as any of those who are allergic to cats (to their spittle that they lick their fur with, in fact) will lose their allergy eventually if they stick with it (figuratively speaking!).

          • GreenAlba August 22, 2019 at 11:53 am #

            ‘many’, not ‘any’…

    • elysianfield August 19, 2019 at 1:09 pm #

      “a solid stockpile of ammo”
      ” distill spirits”

      Lawfish,
      You can thank God that it’s just us ladies on this site. There are others that would take umbrage….

      • CancelMyCard August 19, 2019 at 8:30 pm #

        Guns and alcohol

        Always a winning combination!!!!!

        • GreenAlba August 22, 2019 at 9:26 am #

          Is that why people drink shots?

    • abbybwood August 19, 2019 at 10:22 pm #

      When I lived on Haddam Reservoir in Connecticut ten years ago a guy frequently drove by my place with a large decal on the front window of his Jeep that said, “Guns, Ammo, Cash and Lawyers”.

      I am in L.A. now but am still in “The Jeep’s Frame of Mind”.

  13. jeff2002 August 19, 2019 at 10:40 am #

    I grew up in the ’80s, not the messy and seismic ’60s and certainly not in the big boom years of the early 20th century. The down slope of our times will not be fun, but I’m still thankful I got to be born into this part of the world–instead of into some gutter nation ruled by warlords–and in this era–instead of, say, Medieval times with its plagues and iron-jawed justice.

    We’re just sailing through the void on a little blue ball. Considering the odds, it’s a miracle any of us were born at all. So what will I do? Try to practice gratitude, keep my eyes open and my hands ready.

    • jdhines August 19, 2019 at 2:20 pm #

      >>> We’re just sailing through the void on a little blue ball. Considering the odds, it’s a miracle any of us were born at all. So what will I do? Try to practice gratitude, keep my eyes open and my hands ready.

      jeff2002,

      Very true and excellent / practical advice!

    • abbybwood August 19, 2019 at 10:25 pm #

      Stop!

      Stop it!!!

      ????

      • jeff2002 August 20, 2019 at 9:05 am #

        I’m glad you brought plenty of your own question marks. As I’m supposed to figure out what you mean here.

  14. peakfuture August 19, 2019 at 10:47 am #

    John Michael Greer always has brought up the stair-step collapse, but I’m not too sure this is how it will go this time. For the first time, we are a highly connected global civilization, and incredibly past the carrying capacity of the planet (without fossil fuels). Every rise and fall of civilizations seems to have had a baseline of a working ecosystem; with the oncoming climate changes, it may take a long time before a civilization of our magnitude and reach rises again.

    Instead of just wobbling to the side of the road after hitting that pothole, we might just wind up hitting a bridge abutment.

  15. Farmer McGregor August 19, 2019 at 10:50 am #

    Damn, Jim, another batch of exquisitely fine writing!

    “The human hive-mind senses that something is different…”

    If that ain’t the truth — nearly everyone I talk to (and it’s a fair number of people) have the uneasy sense that things are going wrong, very wrong. Even those who tend toward some form of utopian minded-ness, like New Agers with their ‘co-creating’ the future by imagining and ‘visioning’ blah blah; or even those who are stone-cold ignorant about such things as resource depletion. The old boomers tend to want to ignore it and hope to continue partying until they drop. The youngsters just know that they are f**ked, even when they can’t explain why they know. It’s all quite literally dreadful.

    “The cultural memory of the confident years, when we seemed to know what we were doing, and where we were going, dogs us and mocks us.”

    Such an excellent turn of phrase! One of the important things that that memory fails to remember for most moderns is the terrific amount of very hard work — the volume and kind of work that most moderns would find inconceivable — that made those days so confident and even possible at all. Oh well, many will find themselves rediscovering that kind of work in the years to come. Or they will perish.

    Thanks for another great essay, sir.

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    • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2019 at 12:25 pm #

      Yes, both pessimism and optimism can either serve or destroy depending on objective reality and whether they subjectively motivate the person or society in accordance with that. We’ve OD’ed on optimism here. Time for some Slavic pessimism.

      • CancelMyCard August 19, 2019 at 8:38 pm #

        Time to get rid of Janos.

        that is the correct time.

    • jdhines August 19, 2019 at 2:24 pm #

      >>> The old boomers tend to want to ignore it and hope to continue partying until they drop.

      Farmer McGregor,

      You are very perceptive! Our hope is, as it has mostly been, too avoid any “unpleasantness,” as it were.

      • jdhines August 19, 2019 at 3:37 pm #

        sorry, rather “to” avoid. My bad.

    • venuspluto67 August 19, 2019 at 9:19 pm #

      There is a lot of very bad spiritual energy about these days as a result of the ongoing collapse, so much so that even a culture as perceptually blind and deaf as ours has a difficult time trying to ignore it.

  16. JackStraw August 19, 2019 at 10:55 am #

    As young adults face the obviously difficult future as James describes, the insane left is forcing them to regress and run headlong in to the future as incompetent, dependent children who need safe spaces and feel offended at every turn. They are being set up for certain failure in a time where mental and physical strength will be necessary requirements.

    In addition, they will be forced to compete for the scraps with the hungry masses that are pouring across the border, intent on their share of what remains of the pie. They will not fare well.

    • elysianfield August 19, 2019 at 1:12 pm #

      ” the hungry masses that are pouring across the border, intent on their share of what remains of the pie. They will not fare well..”

      Jack,
      They? THEY? Have you learned to sleep with one eye open?

    • venuspluto67 August 19, 2019 at 9:12 pm #

      This “insane left” of which you speak are really just pampered urban neoliberals who wear wokesterdom like it’s the latest fancy fashion from Paris. When TSHTF, all that over-weaning contrived ideology will be tossed into a ditch so fast, it won’t even be funny. Even less funny is how some worthwhile things might get tossed into that same ditch. C’est la vie!

      • Majella August 22, 2019 at 3:12 am #

        Couldn’t agree more! This crazy obsession the ‘right, conservative’ faction is a waste of their time. The wokester left is vociferous but actually tiny as a cohort in the whole population. There should be laughter not incessant rage against them. A waste of energy.

  17. Robert White August 19, 2019 at 10:56 am #

    Professor Emeritus Albert Einstein has already given us the definition of insanity which is characterized as repeating the same mistake over & over again whilst thinking erroneously that change will manifest by mere repetition instead of by logic.

    Given that Debt-to-GDP is unsustainable throughout the Western Banking System, and that negative long bond yields are macroeconomic anathema to a logically run banking system, we can expect to further slide down the embankment of the all pervasive Hegelian Death Spiral into the financial abyss that awaits us all.

    Expectation guides us all, but what we expect here is a worldwide macroeconomic finance apocalypse that will not be ameliorated by purchasing Greenland as the new world center of American exceptionalism.

    Frankly, we all know that American exceptionalism via the Chicago School & Strauss et al. was the fly in the ointment of civilization. Bottom line is that a USA centric political ethos means that the Western empire is careening towards the necropolis at a rate that surpasses the speed of sound which explains why none of the Central Banks or bankers can discern which grave to bury America in.

    Amelioration of macro-finance worldwide is not workable by any stretch given the closed-looped cybernetic of interconnectivity that imploded the Western Banking System post-Lehman debacle. In brief, the Gorilla of Wall Street knew the Late Stage Ponzi was built upon asset inflation that could never be disrupted by any sort of deflationary environ.

    As deflation knocks the shit out of the contrived Central Bank asset inflation Greenspan Put era we will all evidence the Secular Stagnation that Professor Summers has been warning us all about for approximately a decade now. In sum, we all knew that we are all Keynesians now way back in the Reagan era that ushered in the Greenspan Put era of elite largesse run amok.

    Maestro Greenspan calculated incorrectly with limited understanding of the macroeconomic landscape.

    America’s swan song will be a song of horror & mass death of life due to the exceptionalism espoused by the ignorance that emanated out of the Chicago School that gave us Neoliberalism & some pretty weird & nutty theorists that measured things with warped yardsticks & too silly econometrics.

    Welcome to the New World Disorder & Long Emergency!

    Take your shoes off & stay a while.

    RW

    • malthuss August 19, 2019 at 11:02 am #

      Professor Emeritus Albert Einstein has already given us the definition of insanity which is characterized as repeating the same mistake over & over again whilst thinking erroneously that change will manifest by mere repetition instead of by logic.

      No, Al never said ‘the definition of insanity etc’
      And that is not a definition of insanity.

      • Robert White August 19, 2019 at 11:16 am #

        That’s the definition that is most often cited when referring to AE.

        RW

        • malthuss August 19, 2019 at 12:03 pm #

          I dont mean to belabor this,

          urban legend?

          https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/03/23/same/

          • Ol' Scratch August 19, 2019 at 12:38 pm #

            Look at malthuss going all academic today!

          • darrell dullnig August 19, 2019 at 1:04 pm #

            Bullshit! Belabor is as belabor does.

          • malthuss August 19, 2019 at 7:55 pm #

            I dont like when people repeat that Urban legend..
            Einstein said..
            Insanity is not described by that and Albert didnt say that.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2019 at 12:59 pm #

      So in other words, not closing the borders is insanity, right Bob?

      • Robert White August 19, 2019 at 1:16 pm #

        If the borders are closed-looped you will end up running down hill given that closed-looped cybernetics always run down over time.
        Open systems cybernetics are the way to go, Janos.

        Information wants to be free.

        Closed-looped systems always fail miserably over time. The USA is based upon a closed-looped cybernetic system that was primarily derived via Systems Theory in the wrong hands of the Pentagon pre-Vietnam War & afterwards.

        Nixon closed the gold window so that the entire world would be forced into the petrodollar supremacy and a closed-looped finance cybernetic that has topped out at zero bang for buck in 2019. By 2020 it will be all downhill from here.

        RW

        • SoftStarLight August 19, 2019 at 3:24 pm #

          I for one am a bit disappointed. After all of that amazing scientific jargon and display of real knowledge you come down to supporting an open border! Information it seems doesn’t want anything since it is inanimate. But I understand what you mean, and in that manner I am sure viruses also want to be free. When it comes to viruses we probably want to be closed-looped systems right? Sorry, I probably should have avoided jumping into this one but I simply couldn’t help it or stop it.

          • Robert White August 19, 2019 at 8:10 pm #

            Viruses only seek a host. Their programming is basic. Outside of a host viruses are dormant or dead.

            RW

          • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2019 at 11:39 pm #

            No, always jump in. “Information wants to be free” – what a blowhard. You popped his balloon but good.

          • SoftStarLight August 20, 2019 at 12:44 am #

            Ok :-). And earth is pretty much a closed loop system too. I don’t imagine we would want the “boundaries” of the earth to be trangressed by an asteroid for instance. Just saying that an open system has its downsides it would seem.

          • Majella August 22, 2019 at 3:25 am #

            Look up ‘cybernetics’ SSL…

      • elysianfield August 19, 2019 at 1:20 pm #

        “So in other words, not closing the borders is insanity, right Bob?”

        Janos,
        Depends upon the agenda…yours, or others?

        People dismiss situations using words such as “insanity”, “stupidity”, etc. It is a mistake not to consider that the creators of those situations might not have the same goals as you.

        • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2019 at 11:38 pm #

          Agree. Our credit is their debit. The question then becomes who the “their” is. BRH goes to sleep when this question arises, along with many others.

      • malthuss August 19, 2019 at 7:55 pm #

        IF suicide is insane.

        • elysianfield August 20, 2019 at 11:02 am #

          “IF suicide is insane.”

          Malthuss,

          …Circumstances determine….

      • CancelMyCard August 19, 2019 at 8:41 pm #

        No, Janos,

        YOU are the definition of insanity

        Read it and weep.

        • SoftStarLight August 20, 2019 at 12:54 am #

          Are you doing this again? Let me pull out the coloring books so we can keep you busy and engaged in something constructive.

  18. Exscotticus August 19, 2019 at 11:00 am #

    >>> It’s this simple. We landed in the New World five hundred years ago. It was full of good things that human beings had barely begun to exploit, laid out like a banquet. There was plenty of good virgin soil for growing food, the best timber in the world, clean rivers and great lakes, ores full of iron, gold, and silver, and down deep a bonanza of coal and oil to drive the wheel through very flush times.

    There were also Native Americans. Lots of them. So it wasn’t quite ours for the taking. We took it anyway.

    • rackslope August 19, 2019 at 12:07 pm #

      Speak for yourself. It was not YOURS for the taking. There I fixed it for you.

      I will not take the blame for something I did not do. This in spite of the incessant leftist bleating to do so.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2019 at 1:02 pm #

        If you are White or even if you aren’t, you enjoy the fruits of the Conquest. Be honest with yourself. And as follows the night the day, you can not then be dishonest to other man (approximate Shakespeare).

        • GreenAlba August 19, 2019 at 2:31 pm #

          Yikes. Polonius is turning in his grave. I don’t think Shakespeare has been mangled like that since you left your copy in the laundry.

        • rackslope August 19, 2019 at 4:31 pm #

          Oh, I am very honest with myself. I had nothing to do with the conquest of the Native Americans. I enjoy the fruits of what came before me. I will certainly not waste my time hand-wringing over things I can not change. BTW, I had nothing to do with slavery, either.

          • benr August 23, 2019 at 9:20 am #

            @rackslope

            That is a sane and honest answer.
            Shame so many do not share in the guiltless reality that being white is not a crime nor a sin.

      • Exscotticus August 19, 2019 at 1:07 pm #

        I’m not blaming you for anything. The “we” in my sentence corresponds to the “we” in JHK’s.

        >>> It’s this simple. We landed in the New World five hundred years ago.

        Did YOU land in the New World? No you did not. Clearly JHK’s use of “we” was not meant to refer—literally—to all his readers, and nor was my usage.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2019 at 1:01 pm #

      No, there were Indians who needed to conquered and dispossessed. We who founded this Nation are the Native Americans. By definition. Again, your conventionality leads you astray.

      • Tate August 19, 2019 at 1:53 pm #

        I accept your definition of ‘Native American’ Janos. It is a rational one. There were no ‘Americans’ before we came here. There were indigenes who didn’t even have one unifying term among the hundreds of tribes & languages for the land they inhabited. Therefore, America didn’t exist before Columbus.

        • Travis August 19, 2019 at 4:52 pm #

          “Native Americans” considered themselves to be inhabitants of Turtle Island.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2019 at 11:44 pm #

            Who cares? They were Skraelings or Screamers as the Vikings called them.

            You took the fatal turn: you asked the question as Spengler said. The Founders never doubted themselves like this. You are a house divided despite your great knowledge. Who is like the Founders today? That’s right – the Tribe. Me firsters. A House united. And of course the Chinese. Great Will, IQ, and Racial and National Pride. We used to have all of it.

        • Tate August 19, 2019 at 5:35 pm #

          The name Turtle Island is used today by many Native American and First Nations cultures, and activists, especially since the 1970s when the term came into wider usage.[6]

          Doubtful it was a widespread concept among most pre-Columbian indigenes. It came into widespread usage in the 1970s.

          • Travis August 20, 2019 at 9:15 pm #

            Ha! That figures.

      • Exscotticus August 19, 2019 at 3:45 pm #

        Semantics. Call them what you want. They were here first.

        • Tate August 19, 2019 at 5:37 pm #

          And we won’t be here last if present trends continue.

        • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2019 at 11:45 pm #

          So what? And they were always taking lands from each other in any case. America was Sword Land – as it will be again.

          • Exscotticus August 20, 2019 at 12:39 pm #

            So might makes right? An alien species could look at the earth, note humans killing each other, kill us all, and morally justify it with: So what? They were killing each other.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 20, 2019 at 1:04 pm #

            Right makes might. If we believe in ourselves, we will be strong again.

            You’re asking the fatal question. If the Sun were doubt, it would immediately go out. (William Blake).

            Someone asked a centipede how he managed his hundred legs. He said he didn’t know. He tried to think about it and then not only could he not answer, he couldn’t even walk anymore. (Chuang Tzu).

            The actual practice or attempt to practice Universal Morality by an entire Society is something new or emergent – and fraught with peril. Obviously, right? I mean we’ve already blown it by excluding OURSELVES from the Universal Morality and by setting Minorities over us. As if just because their ancestors were victimized by our ancestors that somehow makes them morally superior to us in the present.

            It was immediately weaponized and/or hijacked by our Enemies, right from the get go. Or it was only created with the intention of so doing. I mean is anyone going to give Whites back the lands that we stolen from them? And is your Capitalism in line with Universal Morality? It is to laugh….

          • Exscotticus August 20, 2019 at 4:17 pm #

            >>> Right makes might. If we believe in ourselves, we will be strong again.

            Sophistry and diversion.

            Admitting that “our” ancestors raped and pillaged doesn’t mean I’m laying the foundation for reparations or what have you. It is significant. It is not necessarily actionable.

          • Travis August 20, 2019 at 9:17 pm #

            I do hope you get gutted by a sword. From your poop hole to your throat. Yep. I hope someone cleans you like a fuckin catfish. You Nazi fuckhead.

          • SoftStarLight August 21, 2019 at 1:44 am #

            Why do you have such a visceral hatred of “Nazis”? Are you Jewish or non-White? And would this be your exact sentiments for a Communist or an Islamist seeing as both ideologies have been quite genocidal and barbaric resulting in millions of deaths?

          • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2019 at 4:26 pm #

            I challenged his picture of the world and he doesn’t like it because he doesn’t have an answer. The Nazi stuff is weird since he knows about the Tribe. This is human smallness indeed.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2019 at 4:30 pm #

            Ex: Good consistency. The Individual alone is the only significant reality. Thus? Thus we will lose everything to Peoples who think more clearly. The Founders would have thought you bizarre indeed. We could have never taken “Turtle Island” from the Skraelings with that ethos. They would have crushed us one by one or family by family with this kind of “get off my lawn nationalism”.

            The ghost of Maggie Thatcher giggles at her work to see – from Hell.

          • Exscotticus August 21, 2019 at 5:21 pm #

            Janos, it is not either/or. The Founders thoroughly understood the need for both individuality and society. E pluribus unum. Their balancing act was the Constitution. We can create and destroy associations as needed, but individuals are the indivisible building blocks.

            Were you some kind of hive pollinator in another life? A honey bee, perhaps? Could you deal with a queen and not a king?

    • butter56 August 19, 2019 at 5:38 pm #

      How could it have been different since there was no plan.Perhaps we could have gone by the Star Trek ,Prime Directive. Do not disturb native civilizations and wait until they advance technology. If we had waited for Native Americans to discover Europe, I suspect we would still be waiting. Or, maybe they would have conquered Europe, and we would be sitting on a reservation outside London (New Cherokee) getting drunk.

  19. sauerkraut August 19, 2019 at 11:00 am #

    “two seemingly noble ideas, both exercises in futility”

    Sure. In an absolute sense it’s all ultimately futile, because ultimately we all die. But there is a medium term. Working a bit to improve the aesthetic is not only possible, but improves one’s sense of worth. That is not futile.

    Now and then, I just try to make things a little better, like when I walk the beach and pick up a few things that the louts left behind. Futile? Well, now there are fewer pieces of glass on that beach, which to me is a better aesthetic.

    But if you want, work to made things worse. There is a word for that: lout.

    • rackslope August 19, 2019 at 12:09 pm #

      Upvote.

  20. Being Frank August 19, 2019 at 11:02 am #

    40 years ago I looked really hard for “Normal” but failed to find it. Then I looked for “us” and “them” and “we”, no, nowhere to be found.

    But of course all really important words for story-tellers.

    The physics back then said collapse by 2010 if Plan B (fission) didn’t work out, it took me some time to realise everybody but me was a story-teller. No wonder I’ve had such a difficult life!!

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  21. HomoSapiensWannaBe August 19, 2019 at 11:02 am #

    “The young adults feel all that most acutely. The pain prompts them to want to deconstruct that memory. “No, it didn’t happen that way,” they are saying. All those stories about the founding of this society — of those Great Men with their powdered hair-doos writing the national charter, and the remarkable experience of the past 200-odd years — are wrong! There was nothing wonderful about it. The whole thing was a swindle!”

    I don’t think many young adults think about this at all. However, as an older, retired, white male adult, I do!

    I won’t say there’s NOTHING wonderful about the United States, at least for those of us of European descent (my family came here in 1742). Native Americans, slaves, current blacks, early Chinese, Japanese, Irish, etc. will feel different — and with justification.

    As I became more informed, I concluded, yes, there is a lot of mythology about the founders, our actual government system, our actual history and behavior on the world stage (see William Blum’s Rogue State & Killing Hope), etc. that are completely at odds with official proclamations and propaganda.

    Like the former Soviet Union, and other empires before, we are failing due to the growing chasm between what we Americans tell ourselves about our place in the world and how it works vs. REALITY.

    By the way, I am tired of Jim’s constant harping about the horrible sins of the left (i.e., identity politics), while rarely mentioning the worse sins of the right (tax giveaways, demolishing environmental regulations, etc.) Jim is like an old stuck record groove in this regard. Boring and tiresome.

    Not only does neither “party” care about workers who actually create things, they and their wealthy backers actively despise labor.

    • EvelynV August 19, 2019 at 11:16 am #

      I agree with you about JHK’s disappointing focus these days. Much of what he criticizes about the left is the result of the left being forced to wrestle with pigs in the mud. The left tries to get money out of politics and the right does all it can to make sure it reigns supreme. What is left for the left to do, surrender, or play by the rules imposed? “Citizens United!”

      The left tries to improve the health care system for all and the right works their hardest to insure that whatever solutions are hammered out insure the fat and greedy get to soak the gov’t in the process. How many people here take pills that cost more per pill than an expensive meal at a fancy restaurant?

      We now have a pig in the whitehouse. Everyone knows it including the pig’s wife but all JHK does is complain about how much pig shit the left has on their shoes.

      • rackslope August 19, 2019 at 12:13 pm #

        Wow. TDS must be worse than PTSD!

        I hope your ObummerCare covers it.

        • Nightowl August 19, 2019 at 5:21 pm #

          The funniest part of all is that DJT is not a Republican and has been pretty left on social and some fiscal issues most of his life.

          TDS, indeed.

    • SoftStarLight August 19, 2019 at 11:32 am #

      Any healthy society needs healthy myths and legends, as well as real history of course. I would think that since Mr. K has said before that he was/is a Democrat that he is simply letting off steam at those who should have had his interests in mind. He has spoken out about the right many times and is no Trump fan.

    • fugeguy August 19, 2019 at 12:06 pm #

      My view is that Jim likes being a contrarian. As such, our current culture gives a steady diet of the left’s views and demonizing of all things right (which is now defined as anything right of Stalin). No need to pile on.

      Also, when so much of the left’s agenda is contrary to reality (how many genders are we up to now) it is easy pickings.

      We all have our sins…

    • elysianfield August 19, 2019 at 1:31 pm #

      “… I am tired of Jim’s constant harping about the horrible sins of the left (i.e., identity politics), while rarely mentioning the worse sins of the right”

      Homo,
      Why qualify actions in moral terms…you inject your prejudices. Actions are not sins to some, sins to others and egregious dirty god damned black sins to others.

      The actions have consequences…some good, some bad depending upon perspective. Qualify them as such.

      What do you think Jim means when he speaks of the long emergency? Who engineered it? (Hint…Republicans and Democrats). Plenty of “sins” to go around.

    • Exscotticus August 19, 2019 at 1:47 pm #

      >>> I am tired of Jim’s constant harping about the horrible sins of the left (i.e., identity politics), while rarely mentioning the worse sins of the right (tax giveaways

      How do you “give away” something that isn’t yours in the first place? Reminds me of the Left’s use of the term “buyback” when referring to gun confiscation.

    • JohnAZ August 19, 2019 at 2:18 pm #

      I am tired of Jim’s harping about the horrible Left

      Jim was Left until the Left betrayed America. Identity politics is not the main issue, socialism and Communism are. We belong to a generation that regards socialism as an anathema, so the current drive towards socialism is the enemy within.

      Our entire society has lost the concept of what wealth is. Not either party, everyone. The idea that money flows from capital that flows from wealth creation is not understood by our society and as it grows less experienced by younger generations and yes, immigrants, the situation worsens. The Deep State, comprised of everyone in DC any more, pushes ignorance of money, capital and wealth as it stems their tax base and therefore power.

      • Majella August 22, 2019 at 3:44 am #

        JohnAZ

        Don’t conflate SOCIALISM, as practiced widely among many educated, peaceful and civilized western nations and COMMUNISM as it has been demonstrated by the USSR & China.

        You also attribute ‘wealth’ as accruing to a few privileged & oftentimes ‘lucky’ families who have accumulated it over generations – ‘behind every great fortune is a crime’, as Balzac once wrote.

        Where’s the virtue in a 3rd or 4th generation Rockefeller or Ford or even a Walton (‘new’ money’) living a ridiculously privileged life, and paying indecently little to the commonweal through taxes? Their profits come from the commonweal and all the services it provides. These are the ‘lucky sperm club’.

        In an effective socialist system, they remain extremely wealthy but their good fortune is required to SUPPORT the State rather than draining it. The wealth of the whole population is a more effective way to growing & developing social homogeneity and that elusive of all human expectations, ‘the pursuit of happiness’.

        If you gave been smart enough to accrue millions in assets and liquid wealth, good on you. But if you get to the point where you are ready to spent $1 million dollars on a clever accountant to avoid $1.1 million in taxes, what’s the decking point????

        • Majella August 22, 2019 at 3:46 am #

          …’fecking’…

        • Nightowl August 22, 2019 at 3:51 pm #

          Name one Western nation that practices socialism.

          I’ll wait.

          • Majella August 22, 2019 at 5:55 pm #

            One?

            Try Denmark, Norway, Sweden, New Zealand, Australia (in essence), the UK, Ireland, USA (though it’s limited and mostly denied by those who don’t like it. The classic moment when the Teabaggers marched with signs saying “Get your government hands off my Social Security”

            It’s easier to name some that do NOT.

          • Nightowl August 23, 2019 at 4:04 pm #

            False. You walked right into the trap. A mixed economy is not socialism.

            It is shocking how little you know.

  22. Skylark August 19, 2019 at 11:07 am #

    Hold on now. WH Economic adviser Larry Kudlow says to be optimistic, that there’s no recession coming soon.

    Reminds me of the executives of Enron telling the employees to buy stock while they were selling theirs, right before Enron crashed.

    • Helix August 19, 2019 at 11:16 am #

      “Stock prices have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau.”

      — Irving Fisher, October 16, 1929

  23. EvelynV August 19, 2019 at 11:07 am #

    Teddy Roosevelt recognized from the get go the nation was already in grave danger of being irreparably ruined because of the iron fisted grasp the venal and greedy few had on the vital resources of this country. The JP Morgans, the Rockefellers, et al who believed all wealth should be in the hands of the few and only they were fit to make the decisions about what was best for the masses.

    Thanks to his efforts what we are seeing today was delayed but sadly not prevented in the long run for almost 100 years.

    He was the first president to ever invite a black man (Booker Washington) to the white house for a private dinner with the President and the Southern newspapers exploded in a frenzy of hate and ugliness unrivaled in American history.

    • SoftStarLight August 19, 2019 at 11:27 am #

      And only those who venerate the Black and the Brown are worthy of distinction and honor. Just as you say all of those who cross the border illegally are good, hard working and deserving people. Mexicans right? I thought good people follow laws, particularly of a society that they dearly want to be a part of? Or is this just convoluted and Southern thinking?

      • EvelynV August 19, 2019 at 11:34 am #

        I thought venerating all people was embedded in the core teaching of the Jesus mythology. Am I mistaken in thinking that you participate in that particular cult belief system?

        • SoftStarLight August 19, 2019 at 11:41 am #

          God is no respecter of persons. What person is worthy of veneration? To love someone is very different than venerating someone.

        • Epicur August 19, 2019 at 12:01 pm #

          “I thought venerating all people was embedded in the core teaching of the Jesus mythology. ”

          Is that why he called some a “generation of vipers?”

          What you say is a widespread popular delusion, but a delusion just the same.

          • EvelynV August 19, 2019 at 12:03 pm #

            I wasn’t talking about Philip Wylie you idiot.

          • EvelynV August 19, 2019 at 12:13 pm #

            If you are after the biblical reference those regarded as the ‘vipers’ were those who fit this descripton…

            “But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment.”

            I’m guessing it would apply to the cagers of the children of good people.

        • EvelynV August 19, 2019 at 12:01 pm #

          SSL – you are the ditzy kook who brought the word into play.

          Venerating is no more that paying deep respect so I guess you are defying the so called water walker’s assertion you should love your neighbor.

          You are a tortured wretch living with a mind full of spider webs.

          • BackRowHeckler August 19, 2019 at 2:52 pm #

            “Generation of Vipers,” Philip Wylie

            Wylie was writing about American culture of the 1940s, I wonder if any of what he said holds true today?

            Brh

          • SoftStarLight August 19, 2019 at 3:38 pm #

            Obviously you don’t understand much of what the “water walker” said. As if you really cared given your visibly deep disrespect. If one has to have deep respect for another in order to love them then the world would be an even more messed up place. Think about it and get back to me.

          • Majella August 19, 2019 at 6:21 pm #

            Evelyn

            As I know from my own experience, quoting the core values & ‘facts’ of the Christ mythology to SSL will only lead to you being accused of ‘cherry-picking’.

            She & Janos have some very weird views on the Jesus-character, not dissimilar to that displayed in the recent Netflix docudrama “The Family”, where this Christ-figure is used as a shield, from behind which all manner of evil can be deployed.

          • EvelynV August 19, 2019 at 7:23 pm #

            It sounds like you were never a fan of the notion that all humans rights have to be respected as a first principle.

            You must hate the US constitution.

            If you don’t love everybody you *Love* nobody,
            including yourself.

            Especially yourself.

          • SoftStarLight August 20, 2019 at 1:08 am #

            Majella you are taking one instance in which I did tell you that you were cherry picking (because you were) and you are making that out as if it is the default attitude and it is simply untrue. My point to you at that time is that one verse does not overshadow the other. It’s one revelation.

          • SoftStarLight August 20, 2019 at 1:17 am #

            But that isn’t what I said Evelyn. I said that if one has to have deep respect to love another then the world is in deep trouble. My whole point is that love shouldn’t simply manifest because there is deep respect, etc. If that were the case would you be merciful to those you have no respect for? I think you just misunderstood what I was saying.

          • EvelynV August 20, 2019 at 1:43 am #

            The queen bee of putting words into people’s mouths that aren’t what the people said claiming one of her garbled attempts to say something meaningful was “misunderstood”. You show no evidence of understanding anything you say even your own self.

            Take a memo: the world *is* in deep trouble. A lot of foggy brained people like you can share the credit for it.

          • JackStraw August 20, 2019 at 12:04 pm #

            @EvelynV

            You seem to have nothing more than personal insults to offer. Maybe you should find another forum where your astonishingly low level of civility is welcome.

          • EvelynV August 20, 2019 at 1:18 pm #

            Sorry Jackstraw but I prefer to stay amongst right wing mutton heads where I can focus on doing the vitally important wet work.

          • SoftStarLight August 21, 2019 at 1:49 am #

            You have an inner right winger waiting to come out so you come here to try to somehow lash out at those you perceive as right wing in order to keep the day of reconciliation at bay. But it’s just part of who you are Evelyn. You can’t run and hide forever.

          • benr August 21, 2019 at 12:19 pm #

            @JACKSTRAW

            You nailed it Evilyn is nothing but a leftist troll this is all a game to it that makes it feel better about it’s own miserable failures.
            The failures of the left are constant and all they now have are identity politics and screams of racism.
            Mix this toxic slurry together with a fair amount of the belief they are smarter and you have it the perfect conduit for shit stirring craven arm chair heathens with nothing good to say.

          • EvelynV August 21, 2019 at 3:59 pm #

            I knew the “mutton head” reference would bring bentover rushing to the scene 🙂

          • Majella August 21, 2019 at 9:54 pm #

            SSL:

            “Majella you are taking one instance in which I did tell you that you were cherry-picking”

            So, again you accuse me of cherry-picking! The irony…

            If I recall correctly (though it’s pointless relitigating something with you, I know) my ‘cherry-picked’ principle was THE CORE VALUE of Christianity, the ‘Golden Rule’ – “do unto others as…”

            That simply doesn’t suit your selective rationale, which is overtly racist and un-Christian, but you can’t look in a mirror and see yourself for what you are.

            Instead, you play quasi-intellectual footsie with that evil asshole, Janos, and kid yourself into believing that you have some imagined high-flung level of ‘spirituality’ that we atheists simply don’t ‘get’.

          • SoftStarLight August 22, 2019 at 12:29 am #

            Well I can’t help that it upsets you so Majella that the core principle of Christianity is not the Golden Rule. Yes, the Golden Rule per se is part of the revelation as it is with Confucius, Buddha and others. It is factually incorrect to say it is THE core principal. The core principals of Christianity are woven together from both the Old and New Testaments and have every thing to do with the nature of God, the universe, and humanity and the very purpose and meaning of time and space. You’re so jealous of our relationship. You need to stop it. But I understand. Sometimes he leaves me without words too.

          • Majella August 22, 2019 at 3:52 am #

            SSL
            Hahahaaahhaaaaha…..

            Your decking e lost the plot.kidding me, right? I note you haven’t been able to express what IS the core value of your twisted demented corrupt ‘Christianity’

            Also amusing is your (yet again) attempt to misconstrue what I have plainly stated, unambiguously.

            Jealous of you & Janis? Whaaaat? You really have lost the plot.

          • GreenAlba August 22, 2019 at 9:40 am #

            “Yes, the Golden Rule per se is part of the revelation as it is with Confucius, Buddha and others.”

            Quite so. You can almost see all those people in the world in different places and at different times figuring out for themselves that life is a lot nicer if you treat other people the way you like to be treated. And vice versa. Reciprocity -magic! An entirely human revelation. I expect quite a few families had figured it out for themselves a long time before it went big. If only some people hadn’t had the God-projection gene and had just left it there. There might not have been so much my-god’s-bigger-than-your-god fighting.

          • benr August 22, 2019 at 12:12 pm #

            @evilyn
            What can I say I like vinegar on my chips, fish and salad!
            You seem to exude hate like vinegar but its toxic, full of venom, witless drivel and self assured nonsense almost like you have some form of penance to perform.
            Attack the evil righties at all costs even when you have nothing of actual value to say pretty much ever.

            As far as mutton headed what’s wrong with some well cooked mutton?
            Almost a suggest of demonic fixation on eating human flesh! Are you the boards Pishachas fixated on devouring any pound of flesh you can find? Beware the weary wandering poster Evilyn is lurking.
            I wonder if there is a virtual neem oil to gird ourselves from you virulent toxic posts.

    • messianicdruid August 19, 2019 at 10:11 pm #

       “The JP Morgans, the Rockefellers, et al who believed all wealth should be in the hands of the few…”

      Do something about it. If 20% of Americans would purchase a 1 ounce silver coin JPMore gain would be screwed.

      • EvelynV August 21, 2019 at 4:02 pm #

        I have a hundred oz’s of silver and it hasn’t helped a bit. Typical right wing thinking.

        • Majella August 21, 2019 at 11:39 pm #

          Lol! Maybe just ‘not yet’.

        • benr August 22, 2019 at 12:14 pm #

          Lead is far more valuable with the lead I can get the silver and the food.
          Silly Evilyn you remain clueless as ever and toxic to boot.
          Tell me do you tarnish silver with your venom?

  24. DEFCON1 August 19, 2019 at 11:09 am #

    Certainly the young ones would be crazier than shithouse mice if they didn’t have social media to turn to each other. What better way to cope with the perfect idiocies of the 21st century than to bury one’s self in a gigantic echo chamber.

    Makes sense to me.

  25. Helix August 19, 2019 at 11:10 am #

    A finely crafted article — almost a meditation for me.

    It appears to me that obtaining the necessities of life as the descent continues is not a particularly vexing problem, at least not in the rural area where I live. I’m more concerned about social breakdown and the possible rise of roving gangs. Organizing local militias to guard against this might just exacerbate the problem, as rogue elements could sieze control of such militias and turn the militias themselves into well-organized predatory.

    As usual, nature will provide. It’s mankind that’s always the problem.

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    • SoftStarLight August 19, 2019 at 11:23 am #

      But mankind is Nature so in essence Nature is the problem.

      • Majella August 19, 2019 at 6:22 pm #

        What a load of tripe, SSL.

        Mankind is OF Nature, but most certainly ISN’T Nature.

        • SoftStarLight August 20, 2019 at 1:26 am #

          You’re right Majella and thank you for rescuing me from that moment. We are more than just nature. We are spirit too. And I am so glad that you can see that and that you corrected me. I always believed you would get here. Another awakening awaits you. One step at a time and all in good time.

          • Majella August 21, 2019 at 1:28 pm #

            Lol!

        • Nightowl August 22, 2019 at 5:10 pm #

          Semantic word games. This is a good example of why modern progs fall back on emotion.

          You know what she meant here, and that she is right. But it upsets you.

      • EvelynV August 21, 2019 at 4:04 pm #

        SSL – if you go with that kind of thinking then there is no problem except in the minds of people who live in a dualistic world, which is just about the entire human race.

        • SoftStarLight August 21, 2019 at 11:58 pm #

          And we do have a dual nature. We are matter and spirit. So there is a constant struggle within us. To the extent that people are unaware of that struggle is the extent to which they are asleep at the wheel.

  26. SomeoneInAsia August 19, 2019 at 11:11 am #

    The Industrial Revolution was a Faustian bargain. Enough said. The Western World simply chose to sell Its soul to the Devil — and (alas) compel everyone else to do the same in the name of ‘Progress’.

    The Devil pays well in the short run, no doubt about that. But the long run is now, and Ol’ Scratch is excitedly waiting to claim his due. What will you do?

    • Ol' Scratch August 19, 2019 at 12:50 pm #

      The die has been cast. It’s all over but the cryin’ and gnashing of teeth now.

      • Robert White August 19, 2019 at 1:21 pm #

        Don’t forget the girding of loins, Scratch.

        We must always gird our loins if we are going to gnash our teeth, eh. I have it on good authority that gnashing of teeth is always accompanied by girding of loins too.

        A grey haired old man told me that years ago.

        RW

        • elysianfield August 19, 2019 at 1:35 pm #

          “A grey haired old man told me that years ago”

          RW,
          What the grey haired old man neglected to tell you is that the loins don’t gird so well with age….

  27. Rodster August 19, 2019 at 11:12 am #

    This is the type of article that should be shown to every student in grade school because it’s happening right now before our eyes. Unfortunately for those students they are too busy being taught social justice and gender reassignment.

    • SoftStarLight August 19, 2019 at 11:21 am #

      Beware the Gender Unicorn.

      • benr August 19, 2019 at 5:56 pm #

        One must never play leap frog with a unicorn!

        • SoftStarLight August 20, 2019 at 1:29 am #

          LOL yeah probably a smart decision!

  28. enjim August 19, 2019 at 11:15 am #

    As I dozed off last night I was thinking about what life must have been like at the turn of the 19th century and then at the turn of the 20th. I have too little history to recall what life at either of those points, but particularly the first of the two, would have been like. But it sure must have had little in common with our world of today.

    Thanks, for a excellent broad picture post, Jim.

    • Tate August 19, 2019 at 2:04 pm #

      Probably only about 10% of the current population could have survived those times.

  29. Luhrenloup August 19, 2019 at 11:35 am #

    We are the society we have created, and we bring about its demise or its crowning at will. We have created the prevailing values that rule our lives, and we approve of them regardless of what we say to the contrary. In fact, precisely our rejection of some values validates them. If I am working against X, then X must be something that resonates with society. If it is so important for me to act on it, it must speak to me in some way. 

    Values hold sway as long as they serve a purpose and are definitively abandoned when useless. I assure you, ten years from now Muslim women living in Western countries will no longer be wearing burkas. We want to blame daddy; he’s responsible isn’t he for the unpleasant? Surely, somebody’s got to be in charge! 

         Who’s in charge, is the question we have no answer for. We seem on some level to be in charge of our direction and moving in an expansive way. If humans have a primary goal, beyond physical, emotional and psychological needs, it is a broadening of knowledge. Yet, this directive, is it ours? Has some intentionality of the universe imposed it on us? We are tumbleweeds blown thither and yon, for what purpose? What is the universe’s plan? 

         The mind cannot take on the complexity that we live in. How can our protagonist in her little life be aware that her thoughts and actions have an effect on the tsunami occurring on some island in the Pacific? She cannot, as she cannot grasp its significance in her life. The mind is not suited for the questions it poses. We are standing less than a foot away from the pointillist painting of our existence and can barely decipher what it’s all about, save for its emotional coloring and the size of its frame. But we soldier on calling out one reaction or another to what we are able to observe, to conjecture, to imagine. 

    • K-Dog August 19, 2019 at 12:44 pm #

      “The mind cannot take on the complexity that we live in.”

      The postmodern dilemma! The answer is not to ignore this complexity but rather to learn to live effectively within the bounds of ignorance.

  30. dplainview August 19, 2019 at 11:45 am #

    History wars create casualties and Year Zero resets fatalities.

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  31. Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2019 at 11:46 am #

    Powdered wigs? Yeah they did that for some reason. But they were bad asses too. George Washington was 6’4″ and could broad jump 20 feet. A superb rider and Indian fighter, it is said he could take off a man’s head with one swing of his sword.

    Jefferson and Adams? Not physical fighters – they fought with their minds and pens. And they were just as deadly on that level.

    We owe everything we have to these Conquerors. It would not be remiss to set up personal shrines to them in our homes – since their public worship has all but ceased.

    • malthuss August 19, 2019 at 12:16 pm #

      no, Lewis and Clark were not led by Sacajawea. sometimes she acted like a guide but she was just trying to help Lewis and Clark find the best paths.

      The site Ambrose Kane is gone. About 5-8 years ago there was a thread about a black man who went on that expedition.
      https://blackthen.com/york-black-explorer-lewis-clark-expedition/

      YORK. At Ambrose, the links to college teahers or whoever just rhapsodizing about York, the magical negro. It was so funny.

    • SoftStarLight August 19, 2019 at 3:47 pm #

      It would be so much better than the celebrity worship that is so common now. Celebrities that neither love the country or actually care about it’s future.

      • malthuss August 19, 2019 at 3:51 pm #

        Sarah Bagel on You tube singing ‘I love U America’ was satire, parody, the funniest thing she ever did.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP81Je7APoQ

        • SoftStarLight August 20, 2019 at 1:51 am #

          Sarah Bagel lol. I think it would have gone more viral if she would have been completely open and honest and titled the song, “I love you America and now I’m gonna kill ya”. Then she could spin it six ways to Sunday about how you have to make sacrifices for progress, etc.

  32. wm5135 August 19, 2019 at 11:53 am #

    HomoSapiensWannaBe and EvelynV, our host is a WORKING author. Our host also graciously provides this space with very light moderation.

    I have come to view Mr. Kunstler’s essay’s here at CFN as questions that are asked to take stock of the body politic. The posts he provides us lately are more akin to late Picasso than a younger Picasso.

    There Is No Normal presents quite an abstract view of that which is being described, see what you will.

    Thank you Mr. K

    • peakfuture August 19, 2019 at 12:02 pm #

      Hear hear!

      Jim can talk about what he wants to; it isn’t his job to provide a criticism of everything. The criticism of the right would be best done by people on the right. Jim has always characterized himself as a life-long Democrat, and it may be better that someone who leans left to speak up about the problems on the left.

      Likewise, when folks on the right speak out about overspending, destruction of the environment (remember, TR was a Republican, and huge conservationist!), money printing, etc., it has a bit more heft.

      • EvelynV August 19, 2019 at 12:21 pm #

        TR was and was regarded as a “Progressive” republican and was hated by Wall Street and by much of his own party. If he had not ascended to the presidency due to Wall Street’s lap dog being assassinated he would have had no chance of ascending in his party. There was great resentment, fear, and hostility that he even got close to the presidency by getting the VP position. McKinley being killed was the conservative right’s worst nightmare come true. Nothing more fortunate ever happened for this nation.

      • Epicur August 19, 2019 at 6:32 pm #

        Another thing is that many of the people on the right are “A Country Boy Can Survive” types that you have to respect, even if they are not always very refined, logical, or possessed of keen analytical skills.

        Dominating the left you have a dissonant chorus of schemes to fix things that one knows won’t be fixed, especially by their schemes.

        Kind of like that old Buddy Hackett joke about settling a duck hunting dispute “country style”.

  33. BC_EE August 19, 2019 at 12:02 pm #

    Now that is classic JHK. The vision and syntax of LE and WMBH.

    I credit James for the constant rhetorical pushing, shoving, and occasional body check in 2007 that shook the scales from my eyes so I could see the impending financial landscape. One major reason why we high tailed it back to Canada.

    We’ve seen all the coverage about the bond market this past week. Is there more to it?

  34. FincaInTheMountains August 19, 2019 at 12:12 pm #

    World War of the Roses by Bird Eye View. P 4

    After watching yesterday’s Sunday’s political broadcasts, it became clear to me that I can’t succeed in completing this series with another post, because the events that are taking place force me to deepen the topic all the time, because it is becoming more and more important for understanding what is happening.

    When I wrote the first post on this subject on August 9, I described the purely secular aspect of the World War of the Roses in it and therefore called it World Civil War by Bird Eye View, hoping in the next post to uncover the meta-realistic meaning of these events and to close the topic with this post.

    https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/rude-awakening/#comment-434695

    But still, I just had to give it a link to a post about Madonna’s performance at the Eurovision Song Contest in Israel, which I wrote on May 31, since it was the Israeli lobby a year ago that made a very tangible contribution to the fact that Hillary’s next attempt to topple Trump failed a year ago, which began with the downing of the Russian Il-20 in Syria with the participation of the Israeli Air Force.

    https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/prelude-to-a-fiasco/#comment-419677

    But if I’m right and on July 1, the American intelligence services committed a sabotage on Losharik in order to kill Vladimir Putin, then compared with this not only the Il-20 disaster, but also the 1962 Caribbean crisis, as a result of which the world was really on the brink of a nuclear war, seem like a child’s play in a sandbox

    First, Epstein’s “suicide” made me think of the well-documented actions of another pedophile – Marshal Gilles de Rais, who killed more than 200 children after raping them in order to evoke a spirit very reminiscent of Baal = the Devil to whom human sacrifices were made in Carthage, Tire, Moab, and Jericho, which in fact became the reason for the Commandment from Above to the soldiers of Joshua to destroy everyone in Jericho “from man to cattle.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilles_de_Rais

    And the soldiers of the Roman Republic, which for the same reasons destroyed Carthage, followed in the footsteps of Joshua, fighting against the same enemy.

    But initially the reason for this association was that, according to Shakespeare, the War of the Roses began with the news of successes of a French witch named Joan of Arc, who the Catholic Church recently proclaimed a saint, despite the fact that her closest associate was the aforementioned pedophile Gilles de Rais. (She was canonized as a saint of the Roman Catholic Church on 16 May 1920 by Pope Benedict XV in his bull Divina disponente).

    However, now the followers of Marshal Gilles de Rais are already trying their best to whitewash him, in order to twist their finger at anyone’s temple who believes that ritual pedophilia has a long history.

    And then Trump’s reaction to Epstein’s suicide strengthened this association, as the U.S. president also hinted that Epstein’s pedophilia was of ritual nature, and this suppression is either an independent confirmation of this hypothesis, or Trump reads my posts at CFN every day.

    Of course I threw away the second option, and the first made me re-visit the history of medieval France and the castle of Montmorency, in which Marshall de Rais was engaged in pedophilia. And I found not only the organizers of the War of the Roses of the 15th century among friends-comrades-in-arms of Marshal de Rais, but also the creators of the Knights Templar among his ancestors.

    It was these ancestors during the First Crusade that occupied the famous Al-Aqsa mosque under the headquarters of the Order, which stands on the ruins of the Second Temple, rebuilt by King Herod so thoroughly that it contained three statues of the goddess Lilith, about whom Madonna sang at the Eurovision Song Contest in Israel.

    Meanwhile, medieval historians are well aware that it was then that these ancestors of Marshal de Rais started digging something in the courtyard of their headquarters and they did dug something, and it seems that they knew well where to dig in order to find either the Ark of the Covenant, or the aforementioned statues of Lilith.

    And the cult of the Black Madonna that suddenly appeared in Western Europe in the 11th century, about which Rammstein sings in the Deutschland video, makes the second option more likely.

    This actually made me to write a post “War of the Roses by Bird Eye View. P 2″ about sects with many thousand years of history, using sex with minors and sacrificing them to call spirits that provide power to the Deep States of all kinds and varieties.
    https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/the-yin-and-the-yang-of-it/#comment-436299

    And yesterday I wrote a post “War of the Roses by Bird Eye View. P 3” about the meaning attached to these sects by the Holy Scriptures, and also explained the thesis about the providential significance of the forcible conversion of Amalek to Judaism, which made Herod king of Judea during the Christ’s earthly mission.

    https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/the-yin-and-the-yang-of-it/#comment-436436

    But the most interesting thing is that the aforementioned Madonna’s song at Eurovision in Israel was framed as a spell calling Lilith to help Netanyahu’s rival in the elections, and only the joint intervention of Trump and Putin ensured the victory of Netanyahu.

    Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, and Russia handed over to Israel the remains of a soldier who died in Syria many years ago, but Netanyahu won with such an insignificant advantage that he had to call a new election in September, and in this election he will have the same rival named Yaalon , who repeatedly condemned Trump while simultaneously publicly stating that ISIS in Syria is more preferable for Israel compared to Hezbollah and the Guards of the Iranian Revolution.

    And now, in Israel, there is an election campaign again, on which all the same actors compete, and in the USA another attempt of a worldwide coup d’etat failed again, part of which was to be a fire on Losharik and the assassination of Vladimir Putin.

    Moreover, the reaction of the media to Epstein’s “suicide” is fully consistent with my assumption that Epstein’s arrest is Trump’s reaction to the fire in Losharik and the threat that, due to CIA sabotage in Russia, Attorney General Barr and Federal Prosecutor Durham simply do not have time to complete the case about the start of Mueller’s investigation before out of control American “intelligence community” would succeed in provoking a nuclear war between US and Russia.

    And a few days ago, Trump again intervenes in the Israeli elections, recommending via Twitter not to let in two Muslim women, members of the US House of Representatives, known for their anti-Israeli speeches, and he recommends that after the Israeli government, contrary to Netanyahu, has already decided to let them in.

    And these women are not allowed in, which greatly increases the chances for Netanyahu to win in September and makes such an impression on the American evangelical community that I urgently need to write a post about female bishops in American churches and the law that practically prohibits Christianity in the USA, which quietly has already been adopted by the House of Representatives.

    And this post will inevitably touch on the theme of the Apocalypse, to which the American evangelical voter, who largely ensured Trump’s victory in 2016, takes very seriously.

    In addition, in connection with the strikingly cynical Russian TV show of Malakhov, I have already raised the topic of a girl who was most likely a supplier of sex slaves from Russia to Epstein and who was recently killed in connection with the arrest of Epstein.

    And this topic is connected with the theme of the Black World Project in Russia in the most direct way, in particular with the role of sexual perversions in the promotion of public officials in the service.

    And this, in turn, requires additional investigation of the possibility of the ritual significance of these perversions in connection with the newly discovered circumstances in the United States, which objectively became the center of international politics.

    This once again proved the crypto-religious nature of the World War, of which we are witnesses. That is, once again proved that this is the World War of the Roses. And this post concludes this series, since even a large research institute cannot properly disclose this topic in the given circumstances.

    And the best thing that I can do in these circumstances is to continue the theme of the post “War of the Roses by Bird Eye View P 1”, since a meta-realistic analysis of current politics, including the Orthodox policy and the politics of the Orthodox Church, as any scientific analysis speaks philosophical language created by Sir Isaac Newton.

    • Ol' Scratch August 19, 2019 at 3:48 pm #

      Or this could have been just a honey pot operation to gather compromising dirt on influential people, Epstein was certainly a Deep State operative, as his wealth was almost entirely other peoples’. The whole “Billionaire Financier” shtick was just a thin veneer of a ruse. A cover story to support the larger cover story. There’s certainly more to the story than just that, but us mere peons will never be privy to it, not at least without a generous helping of disinformation served along side to muddy the truth. But for as long as this guy was in operation, I’m just surprised that a whole lot more famous names haven’t popped up off his clientele list by now.

      • BackRowHeckler August 19, 2019 at 6:08 pm #

        OS

        Where did the $575 million come from?

        He listed an income of $14 million per year, and $56 million in the bank. That was in the NYPost today.

        Brh

        • PeteAtomic August 19, 2019 at 8:48 pm #

          I think the simplest explanation is that he skimmed and reinvested diverted funds from ultra rich clients he had.

          He was a school teacher before he was ‘discovered’ LOL

    • messianicdruid August 19, 2019 at 5:22 pm #

      Hey Finca, What do you make of the painting of Clinton found in Epstein’s place?

      • PeteAtomic August 19, 2019 at 10:22 pm #

        It’s cruel to poke a wounded animal. Don’t poke Finca

        • messianicdruid August 20, 2019 at 4:04 am #

          I didn’t know.

          Did anyone else see it, or the official painting of Obama?

          What do they have in common?

  35. Travis August 19, 2019 at 12:23 pm #

    I just read this article about a Chinese college student’s take on the US after being here for three years. I think several of his points serve as a commentary on our culture. Degraded culture, in my opinion…

    https://www.businessinsider.com/disappointing-things-about-us-culture-china-2019-8

    Here are his most important points for me:

    –Substance abuse is prevalent on American college campuses

    For young adults, using drugs almost seems like the norm if you want to be accepted or “cool.” It’s much harder to obtain drugs in China than in the US, and penalties for violating drug laws are more severe than they are in America.

    Moreover, Chinese college campus culture is generally more academic-focused than party-focused, so drug use is less common among young people. I suspect many Chinese students wouldn’t be proud to admit it if they have done drugs.

    –The smart kids aren’t usually the ‘cool’ kids

    In Chinese schools, those who have good grades are more popular than those who don’t. Chinese parents and teachers like and trust those students because they are smart and disciplined enough to be academically successful.

    In the US, often, the students who perform the best aren’t always the “cool” kids — for many of them, they’re stigmatized as “nerds.” It was shocking to learn that much of the time at American schools, students value street smarts more than book smarts.

    –American families are not as close as Chinese families

    In the US, I found that my peers are not especially close to their extended family members like their aunts, uncles, and cousins.

    Sometimes, even the relationships between parents and children and siblings can be a little distant as everyone goes their separate ways in life.

    In China, on the other hand, loyalty and commitment to your family is the No. 1 priority.

    But Americans are generally more individually-minded, and they tend to rely more on themselves than on their families.

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    • Exscotticus August 19, 2019 at 2:50 pm #

      There are two kinds of Chinese: those that are stereotypically Chinese, and those that aren’t.

      A lot of wealthy Chinese students can’t make the grade in China and do the next best thing: enroll and “slum it” in a USA university.

      These students are the worst. They smoke, drink, party, and generally embrace the worst values America has to offer. They’re not serious students, and a far departure from the sterotypical values one associates with Asians.

      Somehow, in China, the fact that you were educated in the USA overcomes the fact that your test scores suck and you couldn’t get into a top-tier Chinese university. Just as most stars tend to look the same from a distance, so too do most American universities. University of the District of Columbia? Wow, must be prestigious! It’s in DC—the nation’s capital…

      • Travis August 19, 2019 at 3:53 pm #

        I’m going to go with you don’t know what you’re talking about.

        I live in a college town and it’s been my observation that the Chinese students most definitely do not “embrace the worst values America has to offer”. They are serious students who are not here to part.

        • Exscotticus August 19, 2019 at 5:38 pm #

          >>> I’m going to go with you don’t know what you’re talking about.

          I’m going to go with you have some reading comprehension issues.

          I didn’t say all Chinese students; I specifically said wealthy Chinese students who did poorly on their placement exams in China.

          • Travis August 19, 2019 at 8:55 pm #

            Well you’ll actually get no argument from me on the reading comprehension issues. I admit that more and more it’s becoming a problem for me. Especially reading on the internet. Books, magazines and any other old fashioned hard copy is better for me.

            Anyway, it’s all good man. If you say that fast it sounds like saul good man.

            Or Saul Goodman.

            Better Call Saul!

        • malthuss August 19, 2019 at 7:59 pm #

          –American families are not as close as Chinese families..

          says the people that murder their female babies, fetuses, etc.
          That is too much.

          • Travis August 19, 2019 at 8:52 pm #

            They don’t do that anymore because the one child law has been rescinded. And from what I understand most Chinese people hated that law. They live under a totalitarian government, ya know.

          • benr August 22, 2019 at 12:17 pm #

            @travis

            Yea they are now allowed two children but still murder them if they are girls until they get that all important boy.
            Money how ever allows dispensation from murdering all your children you are not allowed to have.

      • PeteAtomic August 19, 2019 at 8:29 pm #

        “These students are the worst. They smoke, drink, party, and generally embrace the worst values America has to offer.”

        You mean, they have a good time?
        🙂 ha ha

    • Nightowl August 19, 2019 at 5:35 pm #

      I left the US for Germany and its different here, too.

      Have a kid here and have just been shocked at how kids grow up vs. in the States. Shocked at much they tend to respect their parents and elders on the whole, how polite they are (even teens/college kids), and how much trust still exists in this society despite recent issues with migration and politics.

      I have had many moments over the years where I had to reevaluate my worldview and expectations, particularly as a dad.

    • EvelynV August 21, 2019 at 4:10 pm #

      Travis – I’ve used up the 10 minutes a day I allot myself to hang out in this sewer so didn’t read the article (yet?) but “drug abuse” is too nebulous a term. Some goofy folks regard smoking MJ as drug abuse when in fact it’s not.

      • EvelynV August 21, 2019 at 8:30 pm #

        My apologies to the forum. Just because there are a few turds floating around it doesn’t make this a sewer. Many here devote an insane percentage of their remaining lifetime to doing all in their power to have what they feel are their important to tell and necessary thoughts and words to a familiar to them likable if not lovable audience. I came up with a thought of the day several moons ago but never sent the email I put it in. I’ll use it here and pledge it as my final words for a long while (I hope).

        “We love to hear ourselves talk about what we did or are doing.

        We love it more than the listeners most of the time.

        A good story teller can overcome that.”

  36. RB August 19, 2019 at 12:44 pm #

    “What will I do”?

    Die. I’m old. By the time things get really nasty, I will be gone or at least close. Cancer or cardiac will be likely culprits with my demise. Or, a mass shooter. It doesn’t matter.

    The question is what will my kids and grand kids do? No much. What can anyone do unless you are a well entrenched 1 per center. Anyone else is fodder for the machine which grinds up civilizations and defecates them into some slot in history. Yawn.

    The Brexit news, that is, the latest regarding communications of folks who fear that things will get very bad very quickly for the UK. Shortages of drugs, chemicals, vital products needed for modern civilization. Imagine in this country if you really need a dental procedure done because of agonizing pain and the delivery of anesthetic did not occur because of shortages or delivery interruptions. Suppose the oxygen truck did not show to refill the medical center O2 tanks.

    Our civilization is tenuous. That has been hammered on for decades now including by Mr. K. What will I do? There’s not much that can be done. It does take a village and I’ve not found one that works. The village relies on deliveries of products we take for granted. The solution then is be prepared to die.

    • montsegur August 19, 2019 at 2:20 pm #

      Our civilization is tenuous.

      Decades ago, I remember my father mentioning a quote about civilization being but a thin veneer. His reasoning back then carries more weight every day for me.

      Cheers

      • GreenAlba August 19, 2019 at 2:40 pm #

        “a quote about civilization being but a thin veneer.”

        ‘Nine meals deep’ is sometimes suggested. Or occasionally even three.

        • Majella August 19, 2019 at 6:30 pm #

          GA, have you seen the BBC drama “Years & Years” yet?

          • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 12:27 pm #

            Is that the one with Emma Thompson? It’s on my mental list, so hope it’s still on iPlayer! Thanks for the reminder.

          • Majella August 21, 2019 at 1:31 pm #

            Yes, that’s it. Future history…and not unbelievable. I watched all (6 episodes) in one binge, it was so engaging.

          • Majella August 21, 2019 at 11:45 pm #

            If you’ve lost it on your recording device, you can find it at ‘dub dub dub putlocker dot style’ and search for it. not TOO many annoying pop-up ads…

          • GreenAlba August 22, 2019 at 9:49 am #

            Thanks, Majella.

            I wasn’t sure if iPlayer was a thing over your way, but of course I assume it’s not. It’s just the BBC’s catch-up service, so in addition to any normal programme that’s there for a month (or however many now) there’s a big archive full of ‘box sets’ of series such as the one your describe (I just saw the trailers) and they’re there for a varying amount of time. But I expect they’re just accessible to Brits who pay the BBC license fee!

    • 4014HAMPHEDGE August 19, 2019 at 2:40 pm #

      Something Brits and the Yanks have in common they know how to play trains. In GB they have revived the art & craft of building full size operating steam locomotives, several built/a-building including #60613, recently clocking 100mph+

      In heartland America there are a growing number of mid 20th Century steam locomotives back to operation, including one specimen of the Union Pacific “BIG BOY”, world’s largest with over 6000 horse Power. These doings in Britain and the Colonies are beneath radar, but are indicators of ability to keep things moving on rails after the solid state rubber tire world has vaporized.

      Kunstler Blog is replete with two kinds of people: the hopeless, and the independent pioneer types, patiently gaining hands-on skills for off grid living. The great mass of population, simply marking time. A course of action for consideration could be examination of particular periods of modern civilization affording adequate creature comforts, yet be sustainable at units of County size scale.

      Railway based economics, manufacturing and food production/distribution, a lifestyle exemplified in North America about the time of Theodore Roosevelt into the late 1920’s. Social inequities notwithstanding, technical amenities such as water works, electric grid, organized food production linked to population with refrigerated/iced railcars. and radio/telephonic communications made life tolerable for the growing middle class.

      European reach into Middle East oil prior to WWI was precursor to rubber tire mania in America and through efforts of Alfred P. Sloane, became the shape of built environment around the world. See “GMAC”… As seen on occasion from JHK, railways are still with us, and mentioned in several categories of “Solution Set”. Efficient railways were achieved and can continue, without aid of Silicone Valley hegemony.
      Wise futurists in America will do well to be familiar with existing and dormant rail corridor, particularly graded surface still extant into agricultural districts.

      World events will revolve to a large degree around Jerusalem. Believe it or don’t. Wars and preparations for wars are Middle East reality, and America should reorient itself around water and food and energy and transport and essential manufacturing not dependent on a World System about to collide with Jerusalem.. Or if you like, western law and culture head-on with Mohammedanism and Shariah law. For up to date read on these particulars, See Jay Sekulov’s book “JERUSALEM”,

      Rail savvy population of early 20th Century USA took for granted steady food supply, knowing continental food distribution was a given regardless of drought or disaster areas. Try to think without trucking,& Aviation, because that will be life in the big disaster(s) we are not prepared for. What is “THE LONG EMERGENCY” all about if not famine and aftermath? Here is a baseline element of the rail based economy: “A Lending Not A Borrowing Nation”

      A word to the wealthy might include adopting a branch rail line into farm country, in lieu of private militias and remote caches. A book for Kunstler’s library is William Forstchen’s “ONE SECOND AFTER”. Read twice, and if you are in the 1 per cent, get Mike Walker’s all-time US Rail Atlas Map Book for your locale and adopt a dormant rail corridor, Visit American Association of Short Line Regional Railroads and work with them for smooth process.

      • Travis August 19, 2019 at 5:00 pm #

        Very interesting. I have a friend who has worked at BNSF for almost all of his adult life. I think he’s at least semi-retired now. I’ll ask him about steam locomotives coming back into operation. I was not aware of this at all.

  37. S M Tenneshaw August 19, 2019 at 12:53 pm #

    Yes, the postwar years were a time of giddy optimism and glowing idealism. Television was just hitting the consumer world in a big way.
    An RCA hristmas promo 45rpm record foretold how enjoyable AND ennobling it would be.

    //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=781I6b0WlZQ

    1950 RCA sales promo: Mindy Carson – I Want A Television Christmas
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    Published on May 23, 2019

    This interesting bit of nostalgia, produced for in-store promotion of RCA Victor’s red-hot electronic device called ‘television,’ reveals an exciting new world of discovery for the American teenage girl.

    Originally issued on RCA Custom EO-CB-2483 – I Want A Television Christmas (A World Of Magic All My Own) (Scott-Scott) by Mindy Carson, orchestra conducted by Charles Hale, recorded November 3, 1950
    //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Somehow it all devolved into an electronic slag heap of torture, zombies, and cannibalism. It’s who we are, it’s what we do, I guess.

    • Q. Shtik August 19, 2019 at 1:50 pm #

      Speaking of TV, after the markets close at 4PM I almost never watch TV. In the evenings I keep up on reading these CFN comments and I read the newspapers or a book (currently I’m reading the History of the Peloponnesian War on a Kindle device… my wife ordered a Kindle and they shipped two by accident so mine is free).

      So, up until last night, I have literally NOT turned on the TV in the evening for months. But then having caught up on my reading, I wondered what might be on TV. I started my search at ch 2 (I have never understood why ch 1 is never used) and went right through to ch 99. Incredibly there was not one thing I found interesting enough to actually stay and watch. I twiddled my thumbs for a few minutes then gave up and went to bed.

      • benr August 23, 2019 at 9:28 am #

        @ qschtik

        The channels correspond to frequencies and Channel 1 is a bad frequency for tv viewing.
        Static and what not.
        When it was all said and done they just never bothered to update everything as all the channels had been set by its corresponding frequency.

  38. volodya August 19, 2019 at 1:09 pm #

    There’s a lot of big-picture arrangements that were designed to fail, not deliberately, but because the original big-thinkers tailored their assumptions not around reality but around their own interests which were directly contrary. But they couldn’t see past their self-interest and they deluded themselves and one another that all would be well, that while there are always risks, they are risk-takers by nature and so can manage such things.

    While they’ve defied reality and kept the wheels on some business and economic arrangements with central banks helping them, you can’t defy it for ever.

    And so, as JHK sez, there’s a lot of stuff destined to come apart based as they are on buy-now-pay-later forever and ever with no end in sight, or IOW, based not on trading goods-for-goods but rather on trading goods for paper. For ever.

    But you can’t live on credit forever. So, watch supply-lines snap and shorten, revenue streams dry up, and a lot of businesses and banks go tits and a lot of very pissed-off people, deprived of their livelihoods, not least ordinary workers, demand redress for this treachery and an accounting for who fucked up.

    I’m not so much talking workers in the US and western countries but rather those in China and Mexico and any other number of other places where life is lived close to the edge. Their take-home is paltry, enough for getting basic food and shelter and clothes and not much more. What happens when the paychecks stop? Because they will stop.

    As it is now life is getting shittier and shittier in widely divergent places on this planet and so people are taking to the streets. In Hong Kong on the weekend, as we saw on the telly, there were a couple million out protesting for “democracy”, according to the msm.

    Now, I don’t know about you, but I wasn’t born yesterday, so when the msm shows me streets full of multitudes and news correspondents from different news orgs spout identical narratives, I get the idea that the moguls may have got their stories straight, but that the stories don’t remotely square with what’s real.

    So, what’s happening? Are the gripes in HK really about an extradition treaty with China and about an abstraction like democracy? For eleven weeks running? With a million, two million protesters outdoors at a go? Does anyone seriously believe that? Or are they about material issues like the scarcity of living quarters and the cost of food and the increasing crappiness of everything in general and the utter don’t-give-a-shit-ness of those in charge?

    The fellas running the show, no matter where, are not what you’d call altruists, humanitarian impulses few and far between in the world of the boardroom and mansion. That’s why things are at where they’re at.

    What the mis-information processors in western media are doing is fake-news as the sophisticates like to call it, propounding accounts that are not remotely connected to events, as if lying about what’s happening changes what’s happening. It doesn’t.

    • montsegur August 19, 2019 at 2:16 pm #

      I get the idea that the moguls may have got their stories straight, but that the stories don’t remotely square with what’s real.

      The moguls boggle with their hornswoggle.

      I think the basic problem is that the set-up is far too large-scale. Those running the show have zero connection with the people on the bottom. No personal connection, no accountability. Not a recipe for responsible behavior by the authorities.

      Cheers

      • volodya August 20, 2019 at 12:25 pm #

        Those running the show have zero connection with the people on the bottom. No personal connection, no accountability. Not a recipe for responsible behavior by the authorities. – Montsegur

        Indeed. That’s the idea of neo-liberalism, that business and finance finds its way unmolested, over the heads of the multitudes, above the mob in the town square, out of the hands of law-makers, way above at a supra-national level where national borders become imaginary lines without gated crossings or guards, where people with money go where they want and do what they want, untouchable, with an unaccountable technocracy at their beck and call.

        And not only people with money but people without. If one side of the scheme is to move business to low-wage locales, the other side of the scheme is to move impoverished and desperate people in enough numbers to lower the wages in high wage locales.

        Illogic is at the core of it, for while they undermine the nation-state, they require the nation-state to secure themselves and their property and interests. For the other consideration by the capitalist class is tax avoidance – or evasion – as I’m not always clear as to the distinction. Somebody has to pay for militaries and constabularies and courts and judges – but not the guys that need all this stuff the most and for sure not the guys with the funds to pay for it. If living wages are anathema to the capitalists then so are taxes. But if people don’t get living wages it’s hard to see who funds governments with the myriad of services that capitalists need.

        This scheme is cockamamie top-to-bottom and it’s no wonder it’s coming apart.

  39. mdl17576 August 19, 2019 at 1:09 pm #

    At the end you asked, “What will you do?”. This comment section is a microcosm of the US in general since the answer seems to be ignore the question and quibble about politics. Sad. As for myself, I’ve been learning how to produce things that contain sugar, extract that sugar and then ferment it into alcohol. I shared some with a neighbor in my new neighborhood as we both sawed at large branches dropped by a freak storm. The power was out for 12 hours, but had a few solar lights and candles ready. The garden is doing well, but should get better as I build up the sandy soil with compost. Got some fine wood chips to use as a base from a local tree service. They pay to dump the stuff otherwise. The American made wire fence is helping keep the deer out until circumstances permit me to eat some of them. I could go on, but doing > talking/typing.

  40. Boris Seymour August 19, 2019 at 1:19 pm #

    Nostalgia: “Nostalgia is a sentimentality for the past, typically for a period or place with happy personal associations. The word nostalgia is learned formation of a Greek compound, consisting of, meaning “homecoming”, a Homeric word, and, meaning “pain” or “ache”, and was coined by a 17th-century medical student to describe the anxieties displayed by Swiss mercenaries fighting away from home. Described as a medical condition—a form of melancholy—in the Early Modern period, it became an important trope in Romanticism.”

    “I think that the perception of stagnation in science – and in biology specifically – is basically fake news, driven by technological hedonic treadmill and nostalgia. We rapidly adapt to technological advances – however big they are – and we always idealize the past – however terrible it was.”

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  41. pkrugman August 19, 2019 at 1:30 pm #

    “We have no idea how to keep it together on the downside. We don’t even want to think about it.” — JHK

    Some of us started thinking about it before the Club of Rome report in 1973. We founded food co-ops, practised organic gardening, opened farmers’ markets, community-sourced agriculture, permaculture, etc. We made recycling, sustainability, and downsizing into common touchstones for practice. I would venture to say the new normal. And we have not forgotten about social justice in the process. Not everyone can do great things, but we can all do small things with great love.

  42. bob August 19, 2019 at 1:43 pm #

    There is what is known as the reality gap. Once you exceed it then reality does what it does. Nature allows for a certain amount of bullshit behaviour then it kicks ass. When you’re young you can burn the candle at both ends , then you can’t.

    • montsegur August 19, 2019 at 2:11 pm #

      Yes, and there are a lot of people clinging to unreal ideas at the moment because it gives them a spurious sense of being morally superior. The unwinding of all that will be an ugly affair for society.

      Cheers

  43. jdhines August 19, 2019 at 1:47 pm #

    >>> The young adults feel all that most acutely. The pain prompts them to want to deconstruct that memory. “No, it didn’t happen that way,” they are saying. All those stories about the founding of this society — of those Great Men with their powdered hair-doos writing the national charter, and the remarkable experience of the past 200-odd years — are wrong! There was nothing wonderful about it. The whole thing was a swindle!

    However, it happened and whatever the current perception is, the simple fact was and remains that the United States was founded by rich business interests, for rich business interests. It started as a “business colony” for England and remained open for business, under new management, after the revolution. It is still a “going concern,” but is in the maturation phase of the cycle, what BCG terms the “Dog” quadrant of the curve.

    The business of America is business and “getting ahead;” this explains a lot. We, for the most part, have bought into the program. You too can achieve the American Dream and be a multi-millionaire! It is simply a matter of “hard work.” We have been selling the Horatio Alger story to ourselves and others since well before our founding.

    So is there any surprise that that which is founded on such a commercial, sell-you-something foundation, is anything but a swindle. Of course, it’s a swindle; it always has been a swindle and fraud. Buy this potion and lose weight! This snake oil is good for what ails you! Get a master’s degree and become an executive! Join the army, travel the world, meet new people and kill them! Happiness is just a purchase away! Boo yah!

    Yes, the doodads, gizmos and jet travel have been great, but they lose their shine very quickly. Television, the medium is the massage, was transformation as is social media, the internet, smart phones, etc. The problem is, it is transformational in the wrong direction, that is a downward slope, pretty much as nuclear energy has turned into a much bigger menace, than boon for humanity. We collectively put our faith in the quest for profit and growth and lied to ourselves that it was going to be great! Well, we are, soon going to reap what Mr. Kunstler writes about so well.

    What can be done about it? There is nothing to be done about it, absolutely nothing. However we can be certain that many folks will attempt “SOMETHING,” but it is akin to an inexperienced stock trader, who insists on making trades when there are no profitable trades to be had. He/she wants to “take action,” so she or he settles for a losing trade instead. That’s about where action will get us.

    On a personal level, I think the best course of action is to be concerned with the two primary pillars, which are Health and Wealth in the USA of 2019 and beyond. Hard to enjoy much of anything if you feel like shit. This being an economic world we live in, it behooves us to have our financial house in as stable a position as possible. That is much easier said than done, but nevertheless it is crucial, as there is only one thing worse than being old in the USA and that is old, poor and in ill health. Yikes! Even the thought is scary!

    Enjoy your families and hobbies, read a bit and don’t worry too much as there is nothing anyone can do to change the downward trajectory. If you prefer, the Left or the Right, vote for them, but it won’t change the final end-point a wit, the trajectory may be slightly different, but will are still headed to ruin, enjoy the ride down and landing as best you can! Of course, it’s the Titanic all over again, we just don’t know when she slips the last waves, is all.

    Cheers, JDH

  44. Elrond Hubbard August 19, 2019 at 2:05 pm #

    NYPD officer involved in Eric Garner’s death fired

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/nypd-officer-involved-eric-garners-death-untruthful-investigation/story?id=65054867&cid=clicksource_4380645_null_hero_image

    “More than five years after the death of Eric Garner was captured on cell phone video, the officer responsible for causing his death was terminated from New York City’s Police Department.

    “Since July 17, 2014, NYPD Officer Daniel Pantaleo has waited to learn whether he can remain on the force with the plainclothes anti-crime unit, lose vacations days or lose his job entirely.

    “Months after a disciplinary trial in May and June this year, Deputy Commissioner of Trials Judge Rosemarie Maldonado recommended to Police Commissioner James O’Neill that Pantaleo be removed from the force.

    “O’Neill announced Monday that Pantaleo was to be immediately terminated.

    “‘It’s an extremely difficult decision,’ O’Neill said at a news conference Monday. ‘If I was still a cop, I’d probably be mad at me… [but] it’s my responsibility as police commissioner to look out for the city.’

    “An emotional O’Neill noted he was a beat cop for 34 years, and said it could easily have been him in Pantaleo’s position. He said the officer used justifiable force when Garner resisted, but erred when he kept Garner in the chokehold once the two men tumbled to the ground. The administrative judge found the chokehold contributed to an asthma attack that led to Garner’s death, a consequence that O’Neill said required a consequence.”

    In response, Sen. Bernie Sanders tweeted the following: “This is the right decision, but we are still a very long way from achieving justice for Eric Garner’s family and countless others who have lost loved ones to police violence. We must fundamentally transform our criminal justice system at every level.”

    When I screw up at work, I expect consequences. When a police officer screws up at work, people end up dead at their hands — yet too often there are no consequences. In my opinion, Mr. Pantaleo should thank his lucky stars for every day he spends outside a prison cell.

    • Exscotticus August 19, 2019 at 3:09 pm #

      Elrond, a rare moment of agreement.

      A LEO who disregards a departmentally prohibited tactic that directly contributes to an accidental homicide* is not a benefit to other LEOs. This is not a case for police to close ranks.

      * Or what the rest of us would call (and be charged with): manslaughter.

      • Elrond Hubbard August 22, 2019 at 10:46 am #

        I’m pleased to agree with you on this, Exscotticus. Police are the only civilian occupation entrusted with the power to use force and even lethal violence as part of their job. That level of trust needs to be earned, and shown to be earned, on a continuing basis.

        I have a pet theory that police organizations can be broadly categorized in two types. One type protects the public; the other type protects itself, and oppressive power structures, from the public. I’m sorry to say that US police forces show themselves to be the second type to a distressing degree. Procedures and training emphasize police acting to protect themselves first. That’s another part of the cost of the gun-culture which is unique to the USA. It makes sense for cops to always be paranoid about people having guns to turn against them, because so many people do.

        If you recall the Toronto van attack from last year, it shows what I think is a textbook example of a good, high-stakes arrest:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBDt38jnfwo

        Alek Minassian had just mowed down a couple of dozen people. He twice mimed pointing an object at the lone police officer who faced him, clearly trying to provoke martyrdom by cop. The officer kept his head and took Minassian into custody alive to face justice. A lot was demanded of that officer, and I’m impressed as hell at his performance. More like this, please.

        • Exscotticus August 22, 2019 at 12:53 pm #

          Again I agree. One correction, though…

          >>> Police are the only civilian occupation entrusted with the power to use force and even lethal violence as part of their job.

          In the USA, many if not all government agencies have been militarized. For example, the IRS—which you typically don’t associate with policing—actually has its own SWAT team, and can raid your home for tax offenses.

          Now one might reasonably ask why, if the IRS feels the need to raid someone, they don’t simply hand it off to the FBI? I’m guessing the reason is money. The IRS doesn’t want to share the loot they seize with the FBI.

    • BackRowHeckler August 19, 2019 at 5:23 pm #

      Elrond, why are you telling us what Breadline Bernie tweeted about the NYPD? We don’t give a sh#t what Breadline says about it. Breadline Bernie travels with an armed personal security detail and owns 3 houses; what does he care about some anonymous police officer in NYC?

      Brh

      • Majella August 19, 2019 at 7:23 pm #

        “We don’t give a sh#t what Breadline says about it.”

        We? What’s all this about ‘we’ Kemosabe?

        • BackRowHeckler August 19, 2019 at 8:01 pm #

          Majella

          You got me there, Majella.

          Should have said “I”.

          ‘Kemosabe’

          “Why did the Lone Ranger shoot Tonto?”

          “Why?”

          “He found out Kemosabe meant Son of a bitch”

          Haha

          Jay Silverheels was from Montreal, Canada, his father was WW1 war hero.

          Brh

          • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 2:28 pm #

            Lone Ranger sees Tonto with a bin on his head and asks him where he’s taking it.

            To the dump, to the dump, to the dump, dump dump’…

            Definition of a cultured person: one who can listen to the William Tell Overture without thinking of the Lone Ranger.

      • benr August 23, 2019 at 9:31 am #

        @brh
        Include me in the we.
        Since there are at least two of us that dislike anything Bernard Sanders says and sees him for the grifter he is.
        So we is very correct.

  45. montsegur August 19, 2019 at 2:08 pm #

    Look back at the stories and images around Teddy Roosevelt and his times, and the confidence of that era just astonishes you, An emergent cavalcade of wonders: electricity, telephones, railroads, subways, skyscrapers! And in a few more years movies, cars, airplanes, radio.

    One indicator of what JHK is illustrating is the evident lack of progress in the development of mechanical devices since the 1960s or so.

    Aircraft and automobiles are today remarkably similar to what they were then, with one (misleading) exception. Vehicles today are full of electronics — a field of research and development that took off as the development of mechanical devices slowed dramatically. So, yes, one can watch videos on a screen mounted in the back of the airplane seat that is located to the front of your own seat. Yes, we have navigators in cars that have removed the distraction of consulting maps while driving. And electronic ignition is very nice. But the mechanical essentials of vehicles are the same as they were in 1960.

    Other than the distraction of all the electronic goodies, we never made it to the future (as envisioned in the 1950s), did we? Looks like we’ll continue to burn oil products until we can’t …

    Cheers

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    • Robert White August 19, 2019 at 3:10 pm #

      System International & ASCII machine code gave us a much higher degree of tolerance between machined parts so that engine life would last much longer today than in 1960. Pollution Control & Emissions Regulation started in Californication and spread to North America and beyond from there.

      Manufacturing benefitted greatly by SI & ASCII code implementation industry wide so that parts interchangeability was universal across nations due to the measurement system utilized & tolerances operationalized between cultures that differ on language.

      Once SI was introduced all of the global manufacturing just took off exponentially. Today, China has mastered the tech better than America did post-WW2.

      RW

      • BackRowHeckler August 19, 2019 at 5:04 pm #

        RW

        How is it, before the manufacturing innovations you cite above, and before CNC, close tolerances were maintained and rather intricate devices were turned out, mostly from factories in New England. There are several museums I’ve visited here, Clock museum in Bristol, Ct, and museums featuring 19th and early 20th century machine tools in Kent, Ct and Windsor, Vt, they did some nice work with the machinery they had. For example, I’ve seen Sharps rifles made in the 1870s that fit together perfectly. Clocks, same thing. I also read about the Hells Gate Bridge in Queens, built 1912, 17000 feet long over the treacherous East River … there were two crews that started at opposite ends of the project and worked toward the middle, 4 years later when they met up they were within +/- 1/4″ of where they were supposed to be! How’d they do it? Just with slide rules? Its astonishing!

        Brh

        • Robert White August 19, 2019 at 6:23 pm #

          Germany had close tolerances as did the USA Military with Mil Spec. System International made the entire manufacturing sector worldwide conform to SI dictates, and thereby forced closer tolerances to be utilized globally allowing China to supply the world with standardized parts.

          Clock manufacturing has always utilized ultra tight tolerances and clock makers utilize Optical Comparison & magnification to see their work. If clock tolerances were sloppy the time would suffer day-by-day until it was incorrect a week later.

          Slide rulers worked until calculators replaced them via rendering them obsolete like the nerds that once used them.

          My Chartered Accountant nerd father had one like all nerds of his day did.

          I was not a nerd!

          RW

          • Janos Skorenzy August 20, 2019 at 3:30 am #

            You are personally ambitious – and thus NOT the new Marxist Man that was promised. In your person, (i will repeat that) IN YOUR VERY PERSON, you show that the two system (Capitalism and Communist), far from being separate, are actually ONE is essence.

          • BackRowHeckler August 20, 2019 at 8:37 am #

            Don’t knock nerd. Thet’re tge ones that built the world since Newcomen came up with the steam engine in the 1750s.

          • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 5:02 pm #

            “Slide rulers worked until calculators replaced them via rendering them obsolete like the nerds that once used them.”

            I’ve still got my dad’s one in the house (he was born in 1910).

            We had to use log tables at school before calculators too.

          • cbeard August 22, 2019 at 5:48 pm #

            Reminds me of a story about an English air plane buff who had a Messershmidt (probably didn’t spell that right, should have looked it up) fighter from WWII. He sent the engine to Rolls Royce to be rebuilt, restored. When the crated engine came back to him it supposedly was with a letter that said whatever you do, don’t damage the crankshaft as we cannot duplicate the tolerances. If true, it’s quite a statement on 40’s era German technology.

          • Majella August 22, 2019 at 6:04 pm #

            Just missed a ‘c’ – ‘Messerschmidt’ which incidentally translates as ‘knife maker’

  46. B9K9 August 19, 2019 at 2:13 pm #

    So much negativity; sad. Janos is the only poster who correctly addresses the core construct:

    All organisms compete for scarce resources without regard for ‘moral’ or ‘ethical’ precepts. Only the bald ape attempt to attach artificial meanings to natural impulses to live, survive and procreate.

    Why is that – just another trick to put adversaries who swallow the lie at a disadvantage? Is that why the elite, with their child trafficking, pedophilia and blood sacrifice, command such thorough loyalty via various rites and pledges?

    Strip away the artificial and focus on essential facts. Only a few genes and certain expressions create differences in skin tone, hair color, texture, eye color and other ‘superficial’ markers.

    Does anyone care to take a guess what the market value will be for applied gene cosmetics? What about IQ? Perhaps a tougher nut to crack, but what if the end result is to move everyone 1 std deviation to the right?

    Say good-bye to a host of inner city pathologies (lack of impulse control, discipline and reward deferral) and the religious dogma. Imagine a world comprised of agnostics and atheists, logically & rationally addressing the issues JHK presents in his weekly columns.

    Should we once again summarize and repeat: resource depletion, population overshoot and environmental degradation.

    How to solve, to separate the usurious money system from the requirement of inflationary, exponential growth.

    Why must we consume? Why cannot mental stimulation be provided via artificial simulation, as we unlock the mysteries of the brain and connect processes directly to artificial realities?

    The world isn’t ending, and one doesn’t need to be a pessimist to understand what is occurring. Again, refer to Janos – man is a competitive animal, and the winning populations will do exactly what is necessary – regardless of artificially imposed “morals” to survive, thrive and keep pushing the technology curve.

    • JohnAZ August 19, 2019 at 2:28 pm #

      Why must we consume?

      Because we watched our parents do it. Because Christmas exists. Because the internet lives on marketing stuff for us to buy. Because if we didn’t there would be no economy.

      Everyone has a fascination with hi tech bells and whistles.

      One of the things starting to limit expansion is that the population is aging and is not consuming as much.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 20, 2019 at 1:04 am #

      Thanks but nothing unites a society like religion. Thus I both avow and disavow your avowal. The Sufis say that Jesus taught the Way to the other world but Mohammad taught the Way in this World AND the other world – thus his ruthlessness.

      No bunch of atheists and agnostics could stand against people like this or our ancestors. Jefferson was a Deist and a doubter about much of Christianity. But he would have never dreamed of mocking the people’s faith. They need their Illusions – if illusions they be. This is part of the Art of Statecraft.

      Obviously our Ancestors left aspects of Christ’s teachings alone – counsels of perfection they were called. Not for ordinary people who can’t afford to turn the other cheek. As Orwell said, Gandhi’s asceticism and non-violence simply passes the buck onto the shoulder’s of other people. If you want to have monks, then you need people who aren’t monks to defend and support them. It’s fine as long as you know that’s what is happening.

      • GreenAlba August 21, 2019 at 11:08 am #

        Seneca said it more succinctly, as you know.

        Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.

    • Majella August 22, 2019 at 4:09 am #

      Benign Canine

      Thanks for that incisive analysis!

      However if Janos ‘gets it’, it’s co-incidental. He packages it up with so much nasty evil trash it’s impossible to swallow for me, at least.

      Yet you have cut to the core of human instinct & drive. So where did the morality (egregiously lacking in Janos) arise from? Kinship broader than the close band/family/clan? The ability to empathize with strangers? The desire to control the base instinctive drives in favor of harmonious relationships?

      Crazies like SSL will attribute it to ‘god’. Janos also claims ‘Christianity’ but displays nothing that resembles it.

      Your thoughts?

      • benr August 22, 2019 at 12:26 pm #

        Christianity boiled down is to be Christ like.
        That how ever is almost impossible for the average human.
        As someone above said we have needs, wants and our own damn egos to contend with.
        Everyone has those little voices that suggest what we are doing is right or wrong the problem is that little voice whispering in the back is far more quiet then the one that tells you to do things because they might be more fun or easier.
        The easier way is never the correct or true way.
        Life after all is not the game Black and White.

        • Majella August 22, 2019 at 6:14 pm #

          Right, benr.

          I was born into Catholicism, and educated through Catholic schools, where we were taught that we must ‘strive to be Christ-like’, but at the same time to recognize that this is actually impossible due to our imperfect nature.

          Still, the desire or wish to be ‘Christ-like’, if genuinely held, will assist a mere mortal to live in a way that is filled with compassion for others, regardless of whether they are of ‘the same tribe’.

          Our resident faux-Christians (particularly the nazis like Janos & SSL) miss this entirely and rant on about their racist agenda under the color of ‘Christianity’

  47. toktomi August 19, 2019 at 2:29 pm #

    @JHK

    I should cogitate before opening my face, but I seldom do.

    MS Word reports that “There Is No Normal” consists of only 818 words.

    It seems to me that you packed The Entire Summary of Industrial Human Society into just 818 words.

    Honestly, I was spellbound. Naturally, I will borrow every word and spread all of them to every nook and cranny that I have access to [with appropriate credit, of course].

    “IT” is so close that It is palpable. That the youngest among us have not already shredded this mess speaks volumes to the insidious passive control systems.

    Surely, James, having spoken it all now, you can peacefully retire from this madness to some lifeboat hopeful that you have prepared. Or not, eh?

    Anyway, I appreciate this gift of your composing mind and I will use it in an attempt to again get the attention of a few whom I constantly endeavor in my impotent ways to help to be among the infinite minority granted longer term survival.

    I will get back here and scan the comments one of these days to see if any of the mindless air freshener, deodorant, and natural flavors crowd have figured out what that smell is on their shoes.

    ~toktomi~

  48. Pucker August 19, 2019 at 2:30 pm #

    Good and Mad.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QERlQDjFjnU

  49. BuckP August 19, 2019 at 3:14 pm #

    Another masterpiece, Jim!

    It’s all in the math! (if the correct data is entered, of course)
    Roughly$200 trillion +or – $10 or $20 trillion or more will have to be loaned into existence in the next 10 years in order to maintain our current standard of living. Urban sprawl, clogged freeways, underfunded pensions,failing infrastructure, species extinction, etc.doesn’t come cheap.

    The fiat dollar as the world’s reserve currency has a finite shelf life and appears to have run its course. Most of the world yearns for a new reserve currency backed by something other than decree. Like the Mob, we point our big guns at the rest of the world’s head and they comply, for now. In the near future, a new reserve currency will come into existence or a war wil ensue.

    We’ve had a long mild fall but to get back to the warmth and blooms of spring, we will have to survive a harsh winter. (The Fourth Turning)

    • Majella August 21, 2019 at 11:49 pm #

      “In the near future, a new reserve currency will come into existence or a war wil ensue.”

      Perhaps both, first one then the other.

      As you said, another $10-$20 trillion will be ‘loaned’ into existence over the next 10 years. Given that the creation of ‘money’ is through the issuance of debt, surely it both means nothing and everything, simultaneously.

  50. DurangoKid August 19, 2019 at 4:27 pm #

    Just like a center to the universe, there is no normal. What passes for normal is a sort of running average. It’s running in slo-mo relative to our current velocity. One might be forgiven for not recognizing it is not a straight line, but a curve. It gives us a comfortable illusion that what you experienced in your childhood will continue. Of course not everyone’s childhood started at the same point in time. Neither is everyone’s boat equally seaworthy, for that matter. The tide flows out and we discover who is naked. The tide flows in and we see whose boat still rests on the bottom. As the running average trundles along we find more people scantily dressed and fewer with sound hulls. The normal of prosperity rolls over from a positive slope to slope of zero and down a negative slope toward who-knows-what. I’m constantly reminded of that string of characters that spells doom for our oil dependency, namely EROEI, and how it might correlate with normal.

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  51. FincaInTheMountains August 19, 2019 at 5:06 pm #

    Alex Jones – A redneck version of FincaInTheMountains

    The guy cuts the shit like it really is, without all that intelligentsia smearing fresh porridge over a clean tablecloth, like, I am sorry, the most of you guys here.

    Nothing of historiosophical or philosophical finesse.

    https://www.infowars.com/watch/?video=5d59ec3067403c00177ec59d

    But he’s a guy I’d rather have behind my back in a battle!

    • FincaInTheMountains August 19, 2019 at 5:49 pm #

      The Warsawian

      The enemy whirlwinds are flying over our heads
      Dark forces are oppressing us
      In the battle that we were destined for
      Unknown fates are awaiting us.

      But we will proudly and boldly raise
      The banner of the workers’ struggle
      The banner of the great battle of all the peoples
      For a better world and the holy freedom.

      To a battle bloody
      Holy and just
      March, march forward
      Working people.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaVCsIAyp4s

    • PeteAtomic August 19, 2019 at 8:02 pm #

      “The guy cuts the shit like it really is, without all that intelligentsia smearing fresh porridge over a clean tablecloth, like, I am sorry, the most of you guys here.”

      geez Finca ha ha

    • GreenAlba August 21, 2019 at 11:04 am #

      “The guy cuts the shit like it really is…”

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/30/alex-jones-sandy-hook-claims-psychosis

      That Alex Jones? The one who blamed his Sandy Hook lies on psychosis?

      I hope his mental health is improving.

    • Majella August 21, 2019 at 1:39 pm #

      Finca…okay, I guess in the mental realm where you operate Alex Jones makes sense, but to accuse him of being as mad as you…? No, wait …he IS as mad as you, and admitted in court!

      • benr August 22, 2019 at 12:29 pm #

        Mad no an entertainer that you do not get or understand yes.
        He has for told much of what has come to pass often a decade before it happened.
        Is he wrong oh yes as are most people who forecast the future.
        He rants and raves at times but that is for show.

  52. Slugoon August 19, 2019 at 5:24 pm #

    Good stuff. I enjoyed today’s topic after what seemed like a long run of Dem vs Rep warfare. I’ve been through Kaczynski’s manifest twice over recently and this segues nicely.

    I feel mentally, although perhaps not physically, prepared to embrace the self-limitation and personal inconvenience of the return to ‘wild nature’ as Theodore put it.

    • JohnAZ August 19, 2019 at 7:33 pm #

      For a good idea about what post TLE life might be like, read JHK World Made by Hand series. Or

      Lucifer’s Hammer. A very dark story of mankind after a comet strike.

      The story revolves around the settling of people into a small civilization in California. Then the attack by city dwellers as they erupted out of the cities looking to survive.

      The best advice, Buy a gun!

      • JohnAZ August 19, 2019 at 7:34 pm #

        Lucifer’s Hammer by Larry Niven

      • Janos Skorenzy August 20, 2019 at 12:52 am #

        Yes, superb. A lot of practical information as well as a great story. The Community had a competition as to which kid could catch the most rats to eat. One guy decided to go and help defend the nuclear power plant saying, I don’t want my kids to grow up competing about who can catch the most rats. Civilization began again there because of that plant. Nuke the whales!

    • Slugoon August 20, 2019 at 1:02 am #

      Thanks you for the recommendations, JohnAZ. That’ll be my next ‘light reading’ on holiday.

      I have a 2.2 air rifle somewhere in my attic. I’m not sure I could hit a moving rat with it! I probably won’t last long when everything turns feral but at least I’ll be doing my bit to reduce the population.

    • Majella August 22, 2019 at 4:15 am #

      Unattributed = fake news. If true. Though. She would have been arrested for it showing up at Court. Double fake news.
      .

      • Majella August 22, 2019 at 4:16 am #

        ‘…for NOT showing up in court’

  53. UnhingedBecauseLucid August 19, 2019 at 7:48 pm #

    Good synthesis.

    It was indeed an insidiously fluid chain of events; and here we are ; unmistakably circling the drain…

  54. RocketDoc August 19, 2019 at 7:54 pm #

    Watchful waiting.
    How can one be a courageous leader? What do we say to our seat mate on the plane or to our neighbor at our friend’s wedding? What would we have them do?
    To do the most needful thing might be helpful – how do we advise the young about their career? Get an education? Expect less? Is it their problem or ours? We can talk about collapse but we don’t know whether to stick another support under the crumbling edifice or just go yank it down…
    No one can be ready for a sudden re-arrangement of conditions and slow dissolution is almost intolerable….

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    • Slugoon August 20, 2019 at 1:35 am #

      If I talked to my neighbours about overshoot, EROEI, Ponzi schemes, etc. they would likely roll their eyes and go back to whatever they were doing on their ‘phone.

      Most people will only learn the hard way what the implications of industrial collapse are and it’s going to necessarily involve a fair bit of pain.

      When reality bites though I’m hopeful that the contraction can be somewhat managed. Not through government intervention, since global power structures will hopefully be overthrown, but from the bottom up through a return to a common purpose. This might be where homogeneous societies will cope better, like Russia or Hungary.

  55. PeteAtomic August 19, 2019 at 8:01 pm #

    The Wheel spins what the Wheel wills… (paraphrasing Robert Jordan)

  56. capt spaulding August 19, 2019 at 8:36 pm #

    Just read this online: Jeffrey Epstein free to visit earth 6 days a week under sweetheart afterlife deal.

  57. PeteAtomic August 19, 2019 at 11:11 pm #

    High schoolers giving the Roman salute/ Hail Victory

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/19/us/california-high-school-nazi-salute/index.html

    What’s next?

    Concentration camps?? 😉 smirks

    • BackRowHeckler August 20, 2019 at 8:24 am #

      Teenagers certainly know what buttons to push, my Radioactive friend.

  58. KesaAnna August 20, 2019 at 1:24 am #

    ” I don’t get my morality from mythical stories about a vengeful ‘god’ who incites people to rape and murder. I’ll leave that to you. ”

    Hey , i don’t mind running with the , ” mythological ” – schtick .

    Let’s do !

    Hypothetically , or mythologically , we are talking about a being who is omnipresent.

    ” Omnipresent ” — fancy word , but which basically means a being who is present everywhere — and we do mean everywhere , and at the same time , all the time .

    It gets a bit more involved than that though.

    It means existing in a non- linear time.

    Linear time — In simple terms , time as being like a river , moving from past , to present , to future.

    In simple terms , not existing within linear time ads up to time as being more like a still lake.

    That is , all time being the SAME time.

    Not , strictly speaking , that there is no past , or no future , but rather , well , like I said , all present at the same time.

    So an idea some priest pulled out of his ass ?

    Maybe so , except quite a few physicists — err — ” believe ” — in such a concept of time.

    well , I’m not even gonna bother to trot out any other differences .

    Here we hypothetically or mythologically compare such a being to Joe the plumber…………

    We compare TOTALLY UNLIKE THINGS HERE.

    Like comparing an elephant to a hummingbird , but on the scale of a thousand times greater in disproportion .

    And I’ll end our little story here because it is just plain silly.

    What you said was just plain fucking stupid.

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    • SoftStarLight August 20, 2019 at 2:15 am #

      Isn’t it amazing how the geniuses who clamor against God are the exact same ones who can’t handle the laws of nature. And yet nature is the only thing they are left with to embrace. It appears to be a matter of projection. They in fact do get their morality exactly from a ‘god’ of war. What else is life, left to the devices of nature, but war? And of course we are the extremist for suggesting a divine order to the natural predations of war and conquest.

      • Majella August 21, 2019 at 1:42 pm #

        Blithering.

    • Slugoon August 20, 2019 at 4:20 am #

      Omnipresent yet encountered nowhere. Omnipotent yet exerts nothing. Functionally equivalent to zero. I’m reminded of the dragon Carl Sagan kept in his garage. At what point do you accept that there’s just no such thing?

      The concept of a supernatural entity seems to me, along with fate, one of the most pointless imaginings ever devised by Homo Sapiens.

      We are mammals. An advanced form of primate. The same hard physical laws apply to us as to all other living organisms, which to their good do not waste time appealing to a supernatural being.

      I’ve never been able reconcile the Americans’ religious fervour with the advanced nature of their civilisation. Janos, for example, clearly understands the selfish gene yet does not allow it to stand alone without a theological context. Most peculiar to me.

      • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 9:52 am #

        Thank you, Slugoon. Something we agree on exactly, Brexit being neither here not there!

        I think Americans’ religious fervour is to some extent a result of their many varieties of religion and their many varieties of everything, because it becomes an identifier. Just as the Bretons, in decades past, were much more Catholic than their compatriots in the rest of France, as a result of their being a defensive minority.

        Also because Americans, despite what they like to think about themselves, are very very conformist.

        • BackRowHeckler August 20, 2019 at 3:45 pm #

          I don’t see much religious fervor in NE.

          There’s is quite a bit of anti religious fervor, tho.

          • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 4:47 pm #

            Fervour can be internal, brh. You don’t need to manifest it on the streets. But it’s fine it you do. 🙂

      • SoftStarLight August 20, 2019 at 9:57 am #

        And what proof do you have that your worldview is rooted in any sort of reality? You don’t. After all, all of your science is nothing but theories and speculations. What is a mammal, other than the definition that was created in the minds of the finite humans who also speculated and theorized of deities. A primate is nothing more than a theoretical definition. Yes there is selfishness. There is also selflessness. We see examples of both in the world. Yes there is science, there is also spirituality. We see examples of both in the world but you argue that we must only see science. And how do you know exactly how other organisms perceive the world? And what real basis do you have to make a statement definitely one way or another about that?

        • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 10:47 am #

          “And what proof do you have that your worldview is rooted in any sort of reality? You don’t. After all, all of your science is nothing but theories and speculations. “

          Those fairies at the bottom of my garden are rooted in unarguable reality, as I’ve told you before. Just because you’re sceptical about them doesn’t mean they’re not there.

          Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

          Except when it comes to my fairies. Because I say so. That should be enough for you.

        • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 10:55 am #

          “And what real basis do you have to make a statement definitely one way or another about that?”

          I can make whatever statements I choose, just as you can, even without a first amendment. Reality is whatever reality is. My opinion on it is my right to express. And I’ve had a heck of a lot longer to think about it.

        • Slugoon August 20, 2019 at 11:47 am #

          SSL, if we take the modern view that reality is anything one believes it to be then I’m afraid I can’t argue against such irrationality. Everything we understand about existence is learned through our physical senses so I personally rely on those same senses to sift out the bullshit, to wit, the scientific method.

          I’m sure there has been much murder committed by people who happen to be atheists but it has not been committed in the name of atheism since atheism is not a worldview as you state. It’s is a pure negative. Merely a rejection of supernatural belief, not an alternative belief system.

          Surely you know what it is like to be an atheist since I presume you don’t believe in Allah, or Wotan, or Zeus, or any of the thousand other gods worshipped over the years? If you’d been born in Karachi I’m sure you’d believe in a different deity. Is that not all the evidence you need that it’s nothing more than a cultural meme?

          I don’t have any problem with people believing. Much comfort can be derived from religion and I’m sure it bestowed a survival advantage in centuries gone by through strong common bonds. But if you’re waiting for some cosmic intervention to sort humanity I wouldn’t hold your breath. It’s nature red in tooth and claw.

          Meantime, I have a few spare razors here at home made by Occam should you want one.

          • SoftStarLight August 21, 2019 at 2:04 am #

            And thus whether you revere Nature or not it is therefore your god. And you have appointed yourself as a god. Trusting your perceptions and speculations. And I don’t say these things in disapproval, anger or whatever. That is what appears to be the case from my biased religious perspective and I am just sharing. I believe that you are correct that religion and the order it provides was to the advantage of past societies. As was homogeniety. These healthy advantages are rapidly dissipating in the modern age. And the general health of society is suffering in large part because of this.

          • GreenAlba August 21, 2019 at 10:49 am #

            “And thus whether you revere Nature or not it is therefore your god. “

            Sorry but this is nonsense, although such defensive sophistry from religious apologists is par from the course. It merely shows a vulnerability to category errors through wishful, rather than critical thinking.

            And regarding the other point, no-one argues against the points that (a) religious people are often happier or (b) a society where everyone believes the same thing has advantages.

            But (a) is not that much different from saying that people who believe in the effectiveness of witches’ curses are more likely to be miserable and anxious because they are more stressed if they live among people they believe to be witches. It has no relevance whatever to the actual effectiveness of witches’ curses.

            And I’m sure social cohesion was pretty effective in primitive societies where if someone stepped out of line their daughter might be the one sacrificed to an angry Rain God. Likewise that didn’t mean there was an actual Rain God.

            Nobody argues about the potential social usefulness of religion. It worked the same in Rome but I’m guessing that doesn’t make you believe in any of the Roman deities.

            There is no shortage of evidence for the usefulness of belief in God, but equally no evidence whatever for ‘his’ existence.

          • GreenAlba August 21, 2019 at 10:50 am #

            “And you have appointed yourself as a god. ”

            Give me strength…

        • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 12:32 pm #

          “After all, all of your science is nothing but theories and speculations. ”

          That’ll be why you got your children vaccinated, obviously.

          • SoftStarLight August 21, 2019 at 2:06 am #

            Well, some theories and speculations are correct. Or rhyme with nature and what appears to be the real world. And as you know, many are not correct at all.

          • GreenAlba August 21, 2019 at 10:35 am #

            That’s why scientists do science.To keep on refining what we know.

            Vaccination isn’t a theory or a speculation. It’s a medical intervention based on observed cause and effect, infinitely repeatable anywhere.

    • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 9:56 am #

      “What you said was just plain fucking stupid.”

      Well it won’t be the first time or the last. I can cope with that.

      You can believe whatever you want. I can cope with that too.

      The thing is, time does exist for me, whatever the theoretical physics says. Because before God ‘said’ go and smite whoever, kill their children and take their women for yourselves’ there were some people.

      AFTER that, those people and their kiddies were jam spread across the grass, sand or rocks. That’s BEFORE and AFTER, as far as my humble brain is concerned. You can exercise yours at the quantum level if it pleases you.

      • SoftStarLight August 20, 2019 at 10:02 am #

        And what of the murder of hundreds of millions committed by Atheists in the last century? Do you find that more acceptable because they didn’t succumb to believing in a deity? There must be something different in your mind about it since you never bring it up or mention it. You only and solely focus on the atrocities committed by religious people hundreds to thousands of years ago. I wonder if quantum physics comes into that picture somehow?

        • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 10:37 am #

          You could set your stopwatch by this nonsense from religious apologists every time religiously endorsed atrocities are mentioned.

          If the best you’ve got is whataboutery and the claim that you’re no worse or even a tiny bit better than everyone else, it’s time to quit your argument.

          Everything isn’t about arithmetic for me. And the 20th century is only one century. It happened to be an industrial one, so murder got a bit industrial too. And the British empire previously went out on its murderous, exploitative spree with God’s imagined blessing. Like the Spanish one.

          “Do you find that more acceptable because they didn’t succumb to believing in a deity? There must be something different in your mind about it since you never bring it up or mention it. “

          This is just utter tripe, sorry. Murder is murder. And as for ‘hundreds to thousands of years ago’, what about those Christian Rwandans?

          Unlike you, I’m not racist enough to excuse them because they were black.

          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/21/rwanda-genocide-catholic-church-sorry-for-role-of-priests-and-nuns-in-killings

          You keep bringing up this excuse that you’re just like everyone else, which is exactly my point. You’ve just pasted a deity on to your narrative. So have lots of other people in other places.

          • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 10:42 am #

            “Unlike you, I’m not racist enough to excuse them because they were black.”

            Just to clarify, I obviously don’t mean you’d excuse them because they were black. I mean you’d excuse Christianity because they were black.

          • Slugoon August 20, 2019 at 1:35 pm #

            GA, I had to look up whataboutery. Nice word. I’m pleased that we can put Brexit aside until Hallowe’en!

          • SoftStarLight August 21, 2019 at 2:13 am #

            I am not sure I see where Christianity is a primary factor in the Rwandan genocide. It appears to be characterized by the usual issues of race and ethnicity which of course blew up into a horrific event. This is why attempting to keep societies as homogenous as possible is so vital and important.

          • GreenAlba August 21, 2019 at 10:30 am #

            “I am not sure I see where Christianity is a primary factor in the Rwandan genocide. ”

            Some more info. here regarding the Church’s part in things (both as an instigator and a reconciler):

            https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/posts/catholic-perpetration-and-reconciliation-in-rwanda

            Second para is interesting in terms of how it all started:

            It is commonly acknowledged that ethnic Hutus perpetrated the 1994 genocide against ethnic Tutsis. But these groups did not always exist as such in Rwanda. Prior to Western intervention, “Tutsi” and “Hutu” were socioeconomic classifiers, the former being pastoralists and the latter agriculturalists. There was mobility between the two groups. When the Church came to Rwanda, it brought with it the Hamitic Myth, which viewed Tutsis as superior descendants of Europeans and Hutus as their uncivilized counterparts. Thus began 70 years of pro-Tutsi discriminatory policy.

      • Travis August 20, 2019 at 10:30 am #

        Oh yes, the foundational scriptures of Zionist Judaism. Murder, murder, murder. Rape, rape, rape. Because Yahweh the fuckhead says so.

        Of course Yahweh is just a made up fuckhead god. Don’t tell Fincaln. He’ll poop in his Depends.

        • Ol' Scratch August 20, 2019 at 12:11 pm #

          Don’t tell Fincaln. He’ll poop in his Depends.

          Now that thar’s just funny!

        • SoftStarLight August 21, 2019 at 2:14 am #

          So you hate Nazis and you hate Zionists. So whom do you love?

        • Majella August 22, 2019 at 6:24 pm #

          Travis

          Back in the day, I read almost every Phillip K Dick novel I could get my hands on. The wrote a gnostic trilogy – Valis, The Divine Invasion & The Transmigration of Timothy Archer.

          “The Divine Invasion is 1981 science fantasy novel by American writer Philip K. Dick. It is the second book in the gnostic VALIS trilogy, and takes place in the indeterminate future…

          After the fall of Masada in 74 A. D., God, or “Yah”, is exiled from Earth and forced to take refuge in the CY30-CY30B star system. Although people of Earth are meanwhile ruled by Belial, the fallen Morning Star who serves as Yah’s principal Adversary, Yah is intent on reclaiming his creation.”

          Brilliant. This Yah godhead is only one of several competing godheads, but they’re all basically psychotic.

  59. Janos Skorenzy August 20, 2019 at 3:04 am #

    https://www.amren.com/news/2019/08/germany-to-strip-asylum-status-of-refugees-who-go-home-on-holiday/

    If it safe enough to go home, and pleasant enough to want to do so, just fucking stay there you worthless parasites and assholes. Thank God for this iota of commonsense, even if it’s just a fart in a hurricane. The White Race has largely lost its mind at the higher levels.

    Alba is for strict immigration control and infinite refugees. She sees no contradiction. See the last sentence of the above paragraph. It’s our duty to be suckers, you see. Such morality is simply an illness of the soul.

    • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 10:13 am #

      “Alba is for strict immigration control and infinite refugees. She sees no contradiction. “

      One day you’ll learn to read. Or stop lying. One or the other. Both would be great.

      Alba is for strong borders and strict immigration control. She’s also for a humane asylum policy, by her own words. But a humane asylum policy doesn’t mean the US can take in every person whose life has been made shit even by the actions of the US. Sadly.

      Perhaps you could help with giving some of them asylum in their own countries by (a) not bombing them, (b) not extracting wealth from their countries in an exploitative fashion, (c) where appropriate, helping with healthcare, both general and reproductive, if your Christian conscience prompts you to it, and (d) taking action to control the negative effects on them of climate change.

      Under David Cameron, the UK took in a tiny fraction of the number of refugees from Syria, compared to the rest of the EU, and they didn’t come from Turkey, Greece or Italy – they were handpicked from Syria as those who most needed help and who could make a life for themselves, at least temporarily, in the UK (all refugees have their status revisited after five years and if their country is deemed safe for them to return to, they can be sent home). And most of the UK’s contribution was to set up safe spaces and temporary shelter and care in situ .

      Now, I’m not endorsing or criticising that decision, I’m just saying it’s an asylum policy that doesn’t involve open borders or unlimited refugees in the receiving country.

      And you, sonny, are a perpetual generator of terminological inexactitudes, as we used to call them. Or a slanderer, as we still say. Which kinda contradicts that thing about bearing false witness. Although thankfully I’m not too much of a neighbour.

      • Travis August 20, 2019 at 10:22 am #

        Yes not many here realize that the US government, and mostly the CIA and the corporations it really serves, has created huge messes in central America. Made those countries very unstable. Now due to the rapidly changing climate their food production is collapsing along with the society and economy, which is a huge mess by itself. But our foreign policy for decades has created so much chaos. And here “we” are trying to do it again to a large country in Venezuela.

        I can’t wait for the US financial empire to collapse. Enough already. I hope Russia moves tons and tons of military hardware down to Venezuela and dare’s “us” to keep it up like it did in Syria.

        Marine General Smedley Butler’s words were largely ignored in the 1930s. They are even more relevant today. And even more ignored.

        • SoftStarLight August 21, 2019 at 2:21 am #

          Lol, it’s sweet that you have a heart. China doesn’t and they will be more than eager to fill the void as others will as well. Once the US financial system does collapse we will all be enslaved if not starved. As if others play by the same self hating morality.

        • Majella August 21, 2019 at 2:01 pm #

          Travis

          Yes. This “illegal immigrants crisis”, so obsessively condemned in these pages by the overtly racist (SSL,Janos) and by many others who are simply fearful, is simply the USA ‘reaping the whirlwind’.

          One cannot blame the general American population – it’s the US Government/MIC that has quite consciously & callously spread misery & poverty for its own ends.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 20, 2019 at 1:11 pm #

        You approved of Merkel’s taking in over a million in order to “show that we’re sorry and are willing to show the world that we are going to try and do better” (approximate quote by Merkel or you or some such woman) or some such nonsense. Is that a rational asylum policy? Asylum law states that refugees must go to the nearest peaceful country. That would be Tunis is Africa – as opposed to Italy. And Turkey in the Middle East as opposed to Greece. Your Asylum Laws are just a flimsy cover for your passion for human traficking and the subsequent dispossession of White Europeans.

        • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 4:37 pm #

          “You approved of Merkel’s taking in over a million in order to “show that we’re sorry and are willing to show the world that we are going to try and do better” (approximate quote by Merkel or you or some such woman) or some such nonsense. “

          I neither approved it nor disproved it – I merely made a suggestion as to the motivation of those responsible (presumably not limited to Merkel) for the decision. And you have edited what I said to help your case into the bargain.

          Really, Janos, if you can’t discipline yourself to read what people actually say and insist on reading between, above, below and beside the lines instead of reading the ruddy lines, you might have the grace not to comment on people’s posts.

          “Asylum law states that refugees must go to the nearest peaceful country. That would be Tunis is Africa – as opposed to Italy.”

          I think it is the nearest safe country (so for a persecuted gay person that might not be the nearest peaceful country). But I didn’t comment on the refugees who went to Italy, that was you.

          “Your Asylum Laws are just a flimsy cover for your passion for human traficking and the subsequent dispossession of White Europeans.”

          I don’t have an asylum law, so I have no idea how it could cover anything you wish to credit to me. Neither do I approve in the slightest of ‘human traficking’.

          Basically, one of your most slanderous posts. But we all know what to expect from you.

          • GreenAlba August 20, 2019 at 4:38 pm #

            Didn’t mean ‘disproved’ obviously. Condemned would to.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 20, 2019 at 1:22 pm #

        Read the article, Albie: the terrified and desperate refugees are taking vacations back in their countries of origin. With Welfare money, on the backs of their hosts, the European Workers.

        The whole thing is an overt scam and the reason behind is beyond sinister.

  60. Janos Skorenzy August 20, 2019 at 3:42 am #

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/down-syndrome-drag-show-created-by-lgbt-activist-coming-to-michigan

    Flagrant abuse of the most vulnerable. Yet those whose duty it is to protect them have either gone over to the Dark side or are afraid of those who have and thus do nothing. Just gotta wait until 5 O’Clock when they get to home. Gotta wait until Friday when you have two days as a free man. Gotta wait until you’re 65 and don’t have to do this shit anymore. Retire to Montana and grow potatoes fertilized with your own excrement. Like Ted did. In a tiny shack crouching down to read under a forty watt bulb, also not wanting to waste the valuable heat the bulb produced. Every bit is valuable against the killing cold without. Ted didn’t wait and was willing to pay the Price of not waiting.

    It’s Ragnarok time, friends. Let loose the Wolves of Odin. The longer you wait the worse it’s going to be. Oaf Keepers didn’t attend the big Patriot Rally on Saturday because they didn’t want to be associated with “White Nationalists” – you know, like the Founding Fathers. Fat, stupid punks. The kind of fat guys who grow little moustaches. I know you know what I mean. And I know you hate them too.

    • S M Tenneshaw August 20, 2019 at 3:52 am #

      No, it’s CivNat Time. USA!!

      • tucsonspur August 20, 2019 at 5:14 am #

        Not for these guys!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYwFGCYUBbM

        Coyote howls with the wolves. It is music to the ears of Evil. The time is not normal.

        It is not the time for ‘normal’, is it?

        • BackRowHeckler August 20, 2019 at 8:29 am #

          TS

          Half the members are probably undercover police and agent provocatuers.

  61. S M Tenneshaw August 20, 2019 at 4:03 am #

    It’s the Circle of Life, folks. A story written by an obscure 20th-century s-f author and anthologized in The Omnibus of SCIENCE FICTION explained it all with admirable brevity:

    “It is the old, old cycle of man–hardship, ingenuity, civilization, ease, degeneracy, hardship again.” — Heritage , by Robert Abernathy.

    Forever and ever, amen.

    • K-Dog August 20, 2019 at 9:51 am #

      That is an excuse. That is saying you have no power. Fuck amen.

      • JohnAZ August 20, 2019 at 10:49 am #

        Power?

        What power. You are expecting people to act responsibly. You are going to have a long wait.

        The first division is Thinkers and Feelers. Emotions stem from the reptilian part of the brain, rationality and control from the frontal lobe as a control function. Society is divided about 50/50% between these two groups. Emotional response to input occurs half the time no matter what. Take away frontal lobe control and folks are operating out of their emotional centers only. Violence in thought and action results. The cycle of life is built into humanity and even the influence of religiosity does not seem to be able to control it.

        What power can control the cycling of civilization, K-dog, Man is incapable on his own. Even God threw a rainbow in the sky as a reminder that the final solution, extermination, is not in the cards. God will not destroy Man, he will do it to himself.

        • Janos Skorenzy August 20, 2019 at 1:13 pm #

          Fifty/Fifty? Where did you get that? Feelers dominate overwhelmingly in terms of numbers. Thus Democracy is contraindicated. Just like that? Jus like dat!

          • JohnAZ August 20, 2019 at 1:56 pm #

            From a motivational class I took 30 years ago. The Briggs-Myer test was part of the class. Feelers and Thinkers!

            To increase thinkers, educate the masses. To increase Feelers, don’t.

            Nuff said? Today’s Feeler percentage may indeed be higher than then.

            I wonder who might have encouraged that?

          • Janos Skorenzy August 20, 2019 at 2:55 pm #

            My friend is a Myers Briggs fanatics: the INTP and INTJ are by far the rarest types. Feelers and Extroverts are by far the majority. Someone should make a distorted square or based on the demographics of the system.

            Or just forget the system: What’s your observation of humanity? C’mon guy, use your faculties. “I took a class years ago” – wow, what a cop out.

  62. K-Dog August 20, 2019 at 9:31 am #

    “I don’t talk about what needs changing or where. It’s up to the people themselves who decide to change.” – Gene Sharp

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    • BackRowHeckler August 20, 2019 at 9:54 am #

      “Who are the people?”

      — Bertold Brecht

      • JohnAZ August 20, 2019 at 2:04 pm #

        Every voter in the US.

      • malthuss August 21, 2019 at 10:43 am #

        Eugen Berthold Friedrich “Bertolt”

    • JohnAZ August 20, 2019 at 2:04 pm #

      K-dog

      I would agree with you that individual responsibility was still the heart of our culture. Unfortunately, dependence is rapidly becoming dominant, spurred on the the Socialistic Left and RINOs ie the Deep State. With gimme dependence goes individual power. Today’s public is shaped by the political elite. Not vice versa.

      Sidebar. The only political identity that is trying to counter this is in the White House. The people elected him in spite of every Deep State arrow being aimed at him. We need hundreds more just like him elected before power will start to shift back to the individual.

  63. FincaInTheMountains August 20, 2019 at 10:24 am #

    Alex Jones, Epstein as a Concierge and Very Strange Things

    I really apologize, but I have to remind you that in the post World War of the Roses by Bird Eye View. P 4 I described the reason why I started digging the Internet, looking for traces of the existence of a sect with a millennia-old history that uses pedophilia as a ritual of initiation, and not as a way to enjoy sensual pleasure.

    And this reason was the words of US President Trump at one of the rallies that he uttered in connection with the “suicide” of Jeffrey Epstein.

    I repeat again:

    I knew about pedophiles in world history – it’s enough to recall Gilles de Rais, Marshal of France and associate of Joan of Arc, but besides this, American justice, radio, television and all other disinformation media have been talking about them for 25 years now.

    I knew about the cannibal sects in Western Europe – it’s enough to recall the main patron of Spinoza, the Grand Pensionary of Holland, Johan de Witt, who was killed and publicly eaten by such sect, which then elevated his rival to the British throne.

    I knew about the sects that used the sacrifice of children to ensure success in trade and military affairs – just remember Carthage, which was supposed to be destroyed, and King Herod. – Amalekite, whom Rome made king over the Jews for the sole purpose of arranging the Bethlehem Massacre of the Innocents.

    But Trump’s words made me suggest that sex with minors was a way of initiation upon entering a sect, and this assumption immediately changed the entire of World History, especially the history of the Church and the history of science, forcing me to search and finally read the interrogation materials of Joan of Arc and the interrogation materials of her associate Gilles de Rais.

    And one of my friends sent me a link to this interview with Alex Jones, in which he talks about the fact that Epstein was a concierge at the entrance to the Clinton sect.

    And that I was right when describing the Black World Project, and also that all this is the harsh reality of American life, since the Anglo-Saxons have been living under this sect since the invasion of William the Conqueror, which became the first anti-Christian war of the Fourth Crusade and the fight against the Black World Project became the basis of American identity.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzsc2bCNeko

    • Ol' Scratch August 20, 2019 at 11:10 am #

      Initiation rite indeed! There’s no retrieving that lost innocence of youth once you’ve crossed the kiddie fucking (and God knows what else?) line and people have the goods on you. It’s the blood omerta that keeps the plutocrat servant class faithfully in line. Not just a Clinton thing either.

      • FincaInTheMountains August 20, 2019 at 11:39 am #

        Plutocrat servant class or your true masters?

        You have forgotten the face of your father!

        • Ol' Scratch August 20, 2019 at 11:46 am #

          You’ve got servants and master crossed up here, but I’ll allow it since I know you’re stoned out of your mind anyway. Party on Finc! By the way, necrophilia is the real frontier. I suppose beastility’s somewhere in there too for the ultimately deranged sect. Keep them ear’s perked up K-Pup!

    • Janos Skorenzy August 20, 2019 at 1:34 pm #

      Joan was a Saint. Surely you are not trying to conflate her with the de Rais? The Inquisition was out for her blood – murderous bastards.

      De Wit was killed by a mob. That’s it. Spinoza tried to go out and denounce the mob but his landlord saved his life by blocking his path.

      The Dutch were once passionate men, bad asses who kicked ass. Now they are peaceful punks, on their way to extinction. Dhimmis at best. Surely there is some middle ground? It is the province of Civilization to find it and abide there.

      An attempt was made on Spinoza’s life, probably by another Jew. But he escaped and died peacefully, although fairly young. The glass filaments got into his lungs it is thought. He was a lens grinder. You are another kind of grinder.

  64. wm5135 August 20, 2019 at 10:43 am #

    Slugoon August 20, 2019 at 4:20 am #

    Do I understand correctly that you are a proponent of Newtonian mechanics?

    “The same hard physical laws apply to us as to all other living organisms”

    True without question.

    What is the stage that these immutable laws play out on? What is the consciousness that proclaims the existence of said laws?

    A good guess among those who are curious is that the observation distills the reality from all possibilities existing simultaneously.

    The attempt to describe our experience as clearly as possible would seem to fit within your codex of physical laws.

    Either there is a Truth or there is not. On balance the written history of Sapiens Sapiens shows the ayes have it.

    • K-Dog August 20, 2019 at 11:26 am #

      Intellectual apartheid sez no truth!

    • JohnAZ August 20, 2019 at 2:16 pm #

      I think therefore I am. I cannot remember which of the Greats dreamed that up.

      We as humans are the only species that are aware of something that is larger than ourselves, that we are going to die, that history existed before we did and will continue to exist after we die. The spiritual content of the universe is omnipresent and we are part of it, somehow.

      Google mirror universe.

      Why did God, fill in your word, give mankind the ability to reason, tell right from wrong, organize, dream, plan, hate, love, think, speak, and only Man. What a waste.

    • Slugoon August 20, 2019 at 5:07 pm #

      I am a materialist (in the philosophical sense). Whatever the mysteries of the universe may be (and there is much we do not understand and probably will never understand) the answer, in my opinion, is not to be found in a supernatural being that takes a personal interest in one’s life.

      That’s nothing more than a god of the gaps. A futile exercise in wishful thinking with as much evidence for its existence as Santa Claus or leprechauns.

      The Bible is one man’s Truth. The Koran is another man’s. Tree Lore another. So many options! I’ll go with ‘there is not a Truth’ for now but will try to keep an open mind.

      P.S. to JohnAZ: Animals organise. They dream and plan. They think and communicate. They love and hate. We’re nothing special.

      • elysianfield August 20, 2019 at 11:24 pm #

        “P.S. to JohnAZ: Animals organise. They dream and plan. They think and communicate. They love and hate. We’re nothing special.

        Sluggo,
        Well, I would suggest that the human is the only sentient creature that can conceptualize death.

        Hence existential angst,

        Hence religion.

        My proof? When was the last time you saw a ptarmigan in church?

        • Slugoon August 21, 2019 at 2:10 am #

          I can’t argue with the premise that we might be the only species to ponder the past and future so deeply. I get why religion arose and why people cling on to it but that doesn’t make any of it true.

          The ptarmigan has obviously got better things to do, as have I.

          Having said that, many years ago our national football team manager, Glen Hoddle, brought in a faith healer to help the players’ performance. He was widely derided in the press and fan base alike but I thought differently:

          If the act of meeting the faith healer resulted in improved performance then she would have done her job. It is irrelevant whether anything supernatural actually took place.

          I see religion in the same way but ultimately the natural laws don’t change for believers vs non-believers so to me it’s a meaningless concept. You, me and the Pope will all shuffle off in the same manner.

          • GreenAlba August 21, 2019 at 10:05 am #

            “If the act of meeting the faith healer resulted in improved performance then she would have done her job. It is irrelevant whether anything supernatural actually took place.”

            Placebo effect in action!

  65. K-Dog August 20, 2019 at 11:05 am #

    An interesting passage and not mine but many here will appreciate. Others absolutely will feel an itch to scratch something.

    A great hope once existed in Central America. In 2006, Honduras elected a reformer named Manuel Zelaya to the presidency. He was not a fire-breathing socialist like Hugo Chavez in Venezuela or Lula in Brazil. He was a rancher who had been elected on a centrist platform, but as president, he switched to the left, increasing the minimum wage, making education free to all children, and providing some state aid to the poorest of the poor.

    He was ousted in 2009. Then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton made no quibbles when the Honduran military removed him from office. Violence swept through Honduras, as she covered for the coup, and in 2014, when tens of thousands of unaccompanied minors arrived at the US-Mexican border, she callously called for the deportation. “We have to send a clear message that just because your child gets across the border doesn’t mean your child gets to stay,” she said then.

    My question is: was the bitch so insensitive to the pain because she knew there was no rain? A rain on the plain of it. Any ideas?

    • Ol' Scratch August 20, 2019 at 11:14 am #

      Those people don’t even exist to HRC and her gang of thieves. They’re little more than human chattel to be exploited for profit. And sadly, a good many Americans agree with her. Our time’s coming.

      • K-Dog August 20, 2019 at 11:29 am #

        Clowns to the left of me and jokers to the right. Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.

        • Ol' Scratch August 20, 2019 at 11:47 am #

          On an island, as always. I’ve always preferred it that way.

          • BackRowHeckler August 20, 2019 at 2:29 pm #

            Sequel to ‘Killer Clowns from Outer Space’ coming soon.

            All questions will be answered and all truths will be revealed.

            The eyes of an anxious nation will be riveted on the SciFi channel sometime in late fall, 2019.

            Brh

        • elysianfield August 20, 2019 at 11:25 pm #

          …Lucky K-Dog…always in ze middle….

        • malthuss August 21, 2019 at 10:45 am #

          He didnt live that long [the singer of that].

          • Ol' Scratch August 21, 2019 at 11:02 am #

            Gerry Rafferty? Sixty three, which ain’t terrible.

    • JohnAZ August 20, 2019 at 2:18 pm #

      She is a corrupt politician with her finger continuously in the air to see which direction the wind is blowing.

  66. JohnAZ August 20, 2019 at 11:34 am #

    Everyone seems to like to predict what the Long Emergency apocalypse is going to be like. Just look west to see the beginnings. Look at the areas where fiscal and sociological control do not exist to see what happens when folks lose their ability to compete. Imagine what is going to happens when, say California loses its ability to support the homeless, tempest tossed people. Do what they do now, give them enough funding to feed them and drug them up to stay quiet. When that no longer is in place, the first thing that will happen is that the Statue of Liberty is going to be torn down. Then the cities erupt as the rurals consolidate. Then the real war starts.

    • FincaInTheMountains August 20, 2019 at 11:40 am #

      Imagine what is going to happens when, say California loses its ability to support the homeless, tempest tossed people.

      I guess they’ll fuck them before they’ll eat them.

      • Ol' Scratch August 20, 2019 at 11:49 am #

        LOL! Shockingly deranged, but sadly true.

  67. Tate August 20, 2019 at 2:23 pm #

    Author of Report on Google Search Manipulation Corrects Hillary Clinton After Her False Tweet Slamming the President

    There’s another Epstein in the news, Dr. Robert Epstein, who threatens to unlease his “first-ever twitter storm tomorrow.” Orange Man glowing with victory. Bastinda’s flying monkeys in full retreat.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/author-of-report-on-google-search-manipulation-corrects-hillary-clinton-after-her-false-tweet-slamming-the-president/

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  68. JohnAZ August 20, 2019 at 2:31 pm #

    Opinions?

    Is there enough power in the monetary regulatory systems to force recessions to happen? In other words, can the Fed et al put enough fiscal pressure on the markets to be weaponized politically? Is the Fed as corrupted politically as the intelligence community has been? I remember how everyone stayed the FBI was unbiased, we know how that has turned out. How much pressure can the global neo-Liberals put on our fiscal systems. If Estulin is right about the leverage the USA economy has on the globalists survival, anything is possible.

    • Ol' Scratch August 21, 2019 at 11:24 am #

      Absolutely, without question! Another interest rate bump or two right now would certainly do it. The global economy IS the US economy by any other name.

  69. stelmosfire August 20, 2019 at 2:41 pm #

    I’m just back from Wally World where I picked up my MGGA hat. “Make Greenland Green Again” We have a lot of work to do. I guess the “scientists” are “surprised” and they “think ” this is only temporary. Perhaps they should rethink their data sets.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/key-greenland-glacier-growing-again-after-shrinking-years-nasa-study-ncna987116

    Trumps plans for Greenland after the purchase. Man does he know how to push the buttons!

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1163603361423351808/photo/1

    • Majella August 20, 2019 at 11:08 pm #

      ..while Iceland mourns the loss of its glaciers:

      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49345912

    • GreenAlba August 21, 2019 at 1:39 pm #

      “Perhaps they should rethink their data sets.”

      That’s their job. Every unremarkable day.

  70. Janos Skorenzy August 20, 2019 at 3:01 pm #

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2019/08/12/transgender-daughter-school-undermines-parents-column/1546527001/

    Good student but had trouble making friends. Autism spectrum. She met another girl who was transitioning to being a boy and she promptly decided she was really a boy too.

    In other words, awkward girl with few or no friends gets invited to join a cult. Now she has many friends who think she’s special – including very powerful ones who can put Dad in his place. Or anybody else.

    This is a winning model and they’re running with it. What utterly inhuman ruthlessness. And they talk about “Nazis”….
    Sex with minors? If the minor can change their sex over the will of their parents, sure, why not? That’s small compared to this victory. Review the UN’s Right of the Child. No doubt there is a clause or two already in place.

    • malthuss August 20, 2019 at 9:45 pm #

      monkey see monkey do.

      There is a book by B Olson on Hitlery. As the viet war cooled, HC needed a cause…she found it, The Year of the Child..

      you know, the wife of the guy who okayed legal infanticide in the 1990s.

  71. The democrat challenger will ultimately be Biden. The theme will be, “Do you remember (the Obama years)… ”

    The democrats should act like a party and stop the car wreck that further debates are guaranteed to devolve into.

    • FincaInTheMountains August 20, 2019 at 3:56 pm #

      Fake News from the Future

      On January 20, 2021, Joe Biden, without regaining consciousness, was sworn in as the 46 President of the United States.

      Immediately after the ceremony, he was transferred to the White house, where he was successfully Epsteinized by hanging from the Lincoln bed, which for that occasion was gracefully returned by the Clintons who stole it in 2001 when vacating the premises.

      During Epstenization process the head was accidentally separated from the lower body, which, to eliminate the needless suffering of the head, finished the process by shooting its own head 3 times in the back.

      The White House on-duty coroner ruled the death “of natural causes”.

    • Tate August 20, 2019 at 5:33 pm #

      Yeah, Joe ‘truth-not-facts’ Biden. He should do okay if he remembers to keep his yap shut. roflol. Try to swing that.

  72. pkrugman August 20, 2019 at 3:34 pm #

    “The whole thing is an overt scam and the reason behind is beyond sinister.” —victim mindset Janos

    The reason? Whites reaping what they sowed. What goes around (genocide committed by white barbarians) comes around (immigration by non-whites). Karma.

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  73. Q. Shtik August 20, 2019 at 3:37 pm #

    An aside apropos of nothing: Did you see the picture of Trump, his wife, and young son Barron in yesterday’s NYT? They had just returned to DC from his golf resort in NJ and were walking across a lawn from the plane. I almost freaked out. Barron was unbelievably tall. First I Googled “How old is Barron Trump?” He is 13 years and 5 months old. Then I Googled “How tall is Barron Trump?” The article accompanying the picture says Barron “towers” over his 6’2″ father and 5’11” mother. Now, if he could just play basketball like LeBron. You’ve got to see this picture.

    • Ol' Scratch August 21, 2019 at 10:59 am #

      Big kid alright. Still doesn’t look like he’s hit puberty yet, either. Makes the Donald look even older walking next top him.

  74. pkrugman August 20, 2019 at 4:01 pm #

    2018 Kill Count

    50 … white supremacists

    0 … antifa

    White supremacists killed at least 50 people in the U.S. in 2018 alone, and have been tied to a long list of massacres, including those in Pittsburgh; Santa Fe, Texas; Poway, California; Tallahassee, Florida; Jeffersontown, Kentucky; and Aztec, New Mexico.

    • BackRowHeckler August 20, 2019 at 5:03 pm #

      What’s the “kill count” in Chicago, St Louis, and Baltimore?

      Over 1000 community members easy, Little Jane.

      Brh

      • malthuss August 20, 2019 at 9:46 pm #

        ANTIFA is an mob. Perhaps some from that mob have killed…but did not get caught.

  75. FincaInTheMountains August 20, 2019 at 4:17 pm #

    List of suicides in Hillary Clinton immediate surroundings as a black comedy

    Dudes just die of laughter, reading out a list of those who have committed suicide after falling into the inner circle of Hillary Clinton

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cLdwfbVCIg

    You do not need not know English – everything is self-evident.

    Apparently, Hillary went too far, demonstrating contempt for public opinion in full confidence that she controls the mainstream media, and the fact that they will never be published in these media was an occasion for black humor.

    • malthuss August 20, 2019 at 9:47 pm #

      list of people around Debbie who died suddenly.

      Obama too.

  76. FincaInTheMountains August 20, 2019 at 4:30 pm #

    Joan was a Saint. Surely you are not trying to conflate her with the de Rais? The Inquisition was out for her blood – murderous bastards.

    Janos, you’ll have to take that issue up with Bill Shakespeare.

  77. Well, well well. Greta’s coming to America for the New York City climate conference.

    https://tracker.borisherrmannracing.com/

    Meanwhile the climate change initiated by carbon dioxide pollution accelerates

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  78. The El Paso shooter: “The American lifestyle affords our citizens an incredible quality of life. However, our lifestyle is destroying the environment of our country. The decimation of the environment is creating a massive burden for future generations. Corporations are heading the destruction of our environment by shamelessly overharvesting resources.”

    I don’t think most people are radicalizable, but circumstances are going to reveal what the proportions are, because no one is stopping those circumstances.

    • Exscotticus August 20, 2019 at 5:19 pm #

      At some point, our just-in-time food, water, and power delivery system will fail in some significant way. Maybe a war or weather event. Then the great population correction will begin. No need to rush it with pointless violence.

      • This is a facile analysis. I really hope you aren’t “investing” in buckets of Mountain House.

      • Exscotticus August 20, 2019 at 11:44 pm #

        Oh no! I’m going to follow your example and just believe that a finite planet with finite resources can sustain an infinite amount of human units with careful socialist planning.

  79. BackRowHeckler August 20, 2019 at 4:52 pm #

    Hey KDog, I linked to the Dark Mountain Project from your site. Pretty impressive. Joseph Conrad and especially Robinson Jeffers, prophets of the great unravelling. Louis Ferdinand Celine probably should have been thrown into the mix too. There was a column in USA today last weekend condemning ‘Ecofacism’, the kind expressed by the shooter in El Paso in his manifesto. The author suggested that apocaylptic predictions by environmentalists (we have only 12 years left) is being adopted by ‘right wingers’, taken seriously, and driving them over the edge. I’ve noticed the emergence of ‘EcoMarxism’ too (blaming any and all environmental problems on ‘Capitalism’) but the author didn’t cite that as a concern.

    Brh

    • “USA Today”?

      Did I crash land in 1985? Doc get me out of here.

      .

      • K-Dog August 21, 2019 at 12:23 am #

        From the article:

        “What we saw in the El Paso manifesto is a myopic, hateful, deadly ideology that has no place in the environmental movement,” said Michael Brune, executive director of the Sierra Club.

        Echoing that was Andrew Rosenberg, director of the Center for Science and Democracy at the Union of Concerned Scientists: “We need to speak out so that our members know that under no circumstances are we buying into this kind of philosophy.”

        I’ll dissent and say Andrew Rosenberg goes too far. Enough with his virtue signaling, lets get to reality.

        American shooters are tape recorders as are all sick mental defectives who act out unprovoked violent rage. They rage because their elevator does not go to the top floor. They rage because they have impaired thinking. An average citizen drone who gets all their opinions where he/she gets their corne-pone has genius creativity compared to a shooter even if they drool. All a shooter can do is ran’t out someone else’s words. They don’t have any of their own. If they had any of their own they would not be animals.

        • K-Dog August 21, 2019 at 12:56 am #

          I apologize to all animals.

      • Exscotticus August 21, 2019 at 1:42 am #

        Doc—quick!—take us back to a time when USA Today didn’t sell twice as many papers as the NYT.

    • K-Dog August 21, 2019 at 12:42 am #

      Glad you enjoyed it. Here is the manifesto in audio. 37 minutes. Earbuds and several circles around the dog park for this one. This print copy you have seen.

      Condemning ‘Ecofacism’ by any means necessary will be how power plays it. There will be many such fouls and equating ecology with madness is truly foul.

      Sumerian Lizard blood can tolerate much more heat than an average human. Don’t forget that. Humans came down from the frozen north and mixed with the alien spawn. They can take the heat and they can make their own cool long after you can’t. Don’t be fooled.

  80. FincaInTheMountains August 20, 2019 at 5:02 pm #

    The accepted wisdom is that the English Settlers were forced to flee England because they were being persecuted for their religious beliefs, and that they arrived in the Americas with ideas of creating a new, just society.

    I guess now we need a little clarification – who exactly they were fleeing from?

    Was it what I call a Black World Project – an association, or anti-Christian conspiracy, of pedophiles, idolaters, Devil worshippers and Satanists? (e.g. Hillary Clinton and Flying Monkeys in our times).

    And if I am right when describing the Black World Project, and also that all this is the harsh reality of American life, since the Anglo-Saxons have been living under this sect since the invasion of William the Conqueror, which became the first anti-Christian war of the Fourth Crusade then the fight against the Black World Project became the basis of American identity.

    • Majella August 20, 2019 at 8:40 pm #

      “Did the Puritans Tolerate Other Religions?

      The answer, unfortunately, is no. Once settled in New England, the Puritan communities demanded complete unity of thought and behaviour from their members, and neglected those who did not meet their religious standards.”

      https://owlcation.com/humanities/Why-Did-the-Puritans-Really-Leave-England-For-The-New-World

      • Ol' Scratch August 21, 2019 at 11:13 am #

        Ironic, isn’t it?

        • Majella August 21, 2019 at 11:53 pm #

          Yep. They left England voluntarily and set up a community where intolerance was the byword. SSL would thrive there and Janos would be plotting to be running the place inside a couple of weeks.

          • SoftStarLight August 22, 2019 at 1:09 am #

            And you would thrive there too. You didnt think I would leave you to wolves did you? Once you realize that reasonable intolerance is a natural thing and quite healthy, especially for small vulnerable societies that can’t risk naively trusting outsiders, you’ll understand our path. And you’ll conform and you’ll look back on your days before you joined us in perplexity and bewilderment.

          • GreenAlba August 22, 2019 at 10:09 am #

            Gawd, SSL, that’s like Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Or Stepford Wives.

            C-r-e-e-p-y.

        • Majella August 22, 2019 at 4:36 am #

          Hahahaaahhhaaa!!! More of the same old, same old, where I’m actually IN AGREEMENT with you & your ridiculous ideas but I just DON’T KNOW it yet!

          Classic magical thinking. You’re probably a lovely person, but you’re still a dipstick.

          • GreenAlba August 22, 2019 at 10:14 am #

            Doesn’t the validity of a statement depend on the logical possibility of disproving it?

            Half of SSL’s output consists of statements that are impossible to disprove and therefore without meaning or validity.

            Like ‘you have made yourself into a god’. I mean what do you do with stuff like that?

          • Majella August 22, 2019 at 6:29 pm #

            I guess ignoring it would be smart, but it’s just so ” “FFS!” making’…

  81. JohnAZ August 20, 2019 at 5:14 pm #

    Janos

    After our Myer Briggs discourse, my curiosity was prompted to explore the Extrovert and Feeler categories and I think I found some interesting items.

    Looking at your EF combination, I looked at male and female percentages

    Males are 22.4% EF, females are 40% EF

    Feelers

    Males are 43.4 F, females are 75.5% F

    Total population Feelers. 59.9%

    Interesting. Do you think that the rise of the independent female presence in the electorate might have affected the number of Feelers that are present today?

    • BackRowHeckler August 20, 2019 at 6:20 pm #

      well, females from this household are out on the Cape, me and a nephew had to do the grocery shopping today, which is out of the ordinary.

      I was confronted with 20 aisles of about every delicacy and foodstuff known to man, brightly lit. The nephew, who spent part of his younger years in France said “Jesus Christ, you got more cheeses in this one store than we had in all of Marseilles.”

      We stocked up on beer and steaks. One thing I noticed is a gallon of whole milk, from a local dairy, was $1.99.

      I know we are doomed but at he moment we still are the land of plenty.

      Uh oh, just saw first leaf fall from oak tree out front. Could this glorious summer be coming to an end?

      Brh

    • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2019 at 1:00 am #

      Interesting question. I don’t know where Jung weighed in on the nature vs nurture debate. I think the rule of women is definitely distorting male development. The “anima” or feminine side of boys is promoted before he has even gotten a chance to individuate as a man. And this is ruinous…..

      Was in bookstore just now. Jung was quite a visual artist, painting many of his visions.

  82. The evidence continues to roll in… air pollution makes everyone dumb and crazy. Good thing we know exactly where it comes from (your chimney or tailpipe) so when the time comes to tax the shit out of you, it won’t be difficult. Polluters’ only hope is that they kill everyone off before that happens. What will Jim-Bob do when there’s no one left to sell cord wood to? What will happen to modern camping and bar-b-que without the ubiquitous smoke?

    The answer, obvious in retrospect, is vaporizers with smoke flavoring for those of us who can’t kick the habit and can finally take all the harms unto themselves whilst sparing us all their second-hand smoke.

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    • K-Dog August 21, 2019 at 12:50 am #

      Monkeys typing could do better.

    • Exscotticus August 21, 2019 at 1:55 am #

      The largest source of emissions comes from power plants followed by industry. Jim-Bob’s woodburning stove isn’t on the list. It may interest you to know, however, that small propeller-driven planes are still permitted to use leaded avgas. Guess where the lead goes?

      • GreenAlba August 21, 2019 at 5:47 am #

        I think you need to qualify that by country, Exscotticus. In the UK the single largest CO2 emission source is now transport, even though emissions overall are falling.

        https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/air-pollution-uk-transport-most-polluting-sector-greenhouse-gas-emissions-drop-carbon-dioxide-a8196866.html

        Also regarding transport, air pollution in the UK is now the leading environmental threat to health.

        https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/health-matters-air-pollution/health-matters-air-pollution

        And you have to be careful what kind of wood burning stove you use as well.

        https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/why-wood-burning-stoves-are-bad-for-you-and-the-environment_uk_5c3c5ce6e4b0e0baf53ef7f8

        Air pollution is nothing new to humans, though:

        https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/air-pollution-goes-back-way-further-you-think-180957716/

        • Exscotticus August 21, 2019 at 10:56 am #

          huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/why-wood-burning-stoves-are-bad-for-you-and-the-environment_uk_5c3c5ce6e4…

          Fair enough, but it’s hard for me to take this article seriously when it states…

          Wood burning stoves might not seem like one of the biggest culprits when it comes to air quality. Yet, having seen a rise in popularity in the last decade, a government survey in 2016 found that they were creating more than a third of all the particle pollution in London throughout the year.

          Put simply, any heating method that requires the burning of a fossil fuel is going to be bad for the environment and the quality of the air you’re breathing.

          The fact that HuffPo claims wood is a fossil fuel suggests an agenda is being pushed here.

          • GreenAlba August 21, 2019 at 1:29 pm #

            I agree with about HuffPo’s bloomer, Exscotticus, but I don’t think it’s evidence of an agenda.

            I’ve seen ample other articles on the wood-burning fuel problem, with reference to particulates, in more scientifically worthy publications. Also, burning either fossil fuels OR biomass does release CO2 – and the corollary with regard to the biomass source is slightly more complicated than saying ‘yes, but growing more trees absorbs almost as much’.

            https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/congress-says-biomass-is-carbon-neutral-but-scientists-disagree/

            “Slow in. Fast out.”

            I think this was just a case of the authors having a dumb moment.

          • GreenAlba August 21, 2019 at 1:30 pm #

            with *you*

          • GreenAlba August 21, 2019 at 1:33 pm #

            In the long run, of course, it may not matter. The air above mediaeval towns and cities was appalling, thanks to the burning of wood, but it was that or nothing, generally.

          • Exscotticus August 21, 2019 at 3:44 pm #

            >>> I think this was just a case of the authors having a dumb moment.

            HuffPo has a lot of “dumb moments”. And they all add up to the same: a Leftist agenda.

            Not to change the topic, but here’s HuffPo defending white-hating racist, Sarah Jeong. No—her racist tweets should not count against her.

            And here’s HuffPo demanding consequences for Trump’s “racist” tweets.

            That there is what we call a double standard.

          • GreenAlba August 21, 2019 at 9:02 pm #

            I’m no admirer of Sarah Jeong, Exscotticus – nor have I any ideological investment in HuffPo. I just picked the first relevant article and should have looked further down for one from e.g. New Scientist or Scientific American. The science re wood burning stoves still stands, being independent of HuffPo journalists.

          • Exscotticus August 21, 2019 at 11:28 pm #

            >>> The science re wood burning stoves still stands, being independent of HuffPo journalists.

            The science re wood burning stoves is that they’re significantly more efficient than traditional fireplaces, safer, and produce fewer particulates. And while they may produce more PM2.5s than autos, they produce magnitudes less than airports. Last I checked, Heathrow is expanding, yes?

            Socialists are making these decisions, promulgated by your own fake news media. Your “royals” have the audacity to lecture the world on climate change and carbon footprints as they jet set around in the most polluting manner possible.

            They want commoners to give up their wood burning stoves. But will Prince Harry give up his private jet?

          • GreenAlba August 22, 2019 at 2:49 am #

            Exscotticus

            Saying that wood burning stoves are more efficient than ‘other traditional fireplaces’ is about as germane to my original point as mentioning that natural gas is cleaner than oil.

            My original point, if you remember, was that ‘you have to be careful what kind of wood burning stove you use’, since some are worse than others in terms of the particulates they produce. Pointing this out is clearly offensive to you – I’m not obliging anyone to do anything, I’m merely making a point that you can read in any self-respecting scientific document on the subject. And it remains true that wood burning stoves, since they have become chic among the urban middle classes, account for a very significant percentage of London’s particulates, for example, despite the huge amount already produced by transport and other sources. I doubt JHK’s wood-burning stove presents much of a problem, given he doesn’t live in Marylebone.

            “Last I checked, Heathrow is expanding, yes?”

            You wouldn’t need to check – you will have noticed I mentioned it several times in relation to its being, in large part, a result of the anticipation of Brexit and its perception (by dopes unable to do joined-up thinking) as being vital to the new ‘Global Britain’ in order to fly stuff around the world that currently goes more efficiently to Europe.

            Defending the UK’s royals is not part of my remit, any more than defending jet-setting film stars. That point qualifies as whataboutery, I’m afraid.

          • Exscotticus August 22, 2019 at 10:27 am #

            >>> Defending the UK’s royals is not part of my remit, any more than defending jet-setting film stars. That point qualifies as whataboutery, I’m afraid.

            It’s not a whataboutery to point out relevant hypocrisy. The subject is “the largest source of emissions”. Well the largest source of personal emissions is air travel by far. Unless you start forest fires, nothing you do will create more CO2, NO2, SO2, or particulate matter than flying. And—yes—that includes using your wood burning stove.

            For someone like Prince Harry, who obviously doesn’t fly coach, this air travel is significantly worse, as the emissions can’t by divided by hundreds of passengers, and he’s flying far more often than average.

            When your government decides to start banning the scourge of wood burning stoves, you may want to ask your elected representatives why airplanes get a free pass. They’ll come back with economic arguments, utilitarian arguments, and ends-justify-means rationale. But even these excuses don’t apply to the private leisure jets of the wealthy. A plane carrying much needed produce for the UK is one thing; a plane carrying just Prince Harry is another.

          • GreenAlba August 22, 2019 at 11:41 am #

            I merely mean it’s not my argument – it’s one you’d need to take up with the royals or the government. I don’t defend them.

            “When your government decides to start banning the scourge of wood burning stoves, you may want to ask your elected representatives why airplanes get a free pass. ”

            They’re not ‘banning’ them – they’re regulating the production of new ones, as far as I’m aware, so that only the less harmful ones will be manufactured in future. Anyone who wants one will be able to get a wood burner.

            And you know my views on aviation. The expansion of Heathrow and the implications for long-distance freight in general, are one of my biggest arguments against Brexit, as I’ve said many times.

            You should know my views on the royals too. Doesn’t matter to me whether it’s Prince Harry’s private jet, Trump’s private jet, or Elton John’s private jet.

            And aeroplanes have had a free pass since the second world war, when the US insisted they be able to use tax-free fuel.

          • Exscotticus August 22, 2019 at 12:39 pm #

            GreenAlba, it’s the same in the USA; airplanes and airports are sacrosanct. Environmental laws don’t apply. Health and safety doesn’t apply. Quality of life doesn’t apply. Exceptions abound. Heck, some planes can even use leaded gas!—which rains down upon the populace like fallout. They’re basically crop-dusting the nation with lead, and wonder where all the autism is coming from.

            There are so many significant bipartisan issues Dems could be focussing on besides bash Trump and hate whitey. They could be pushing to finally ban lead. They could be addressing the increasingly hard-to-dismiss organic food scams.

            Did you know that “certified” organic produce in the USA doesn’t actually require any independent certification whatsoever? Predictably, organic food scams abound. Even worse, it touches nearly everything, since, for example, organic eggs come from organic chickens that eat organic feed, and if the feed is not in fact organic, then neither are the chickens or the eggs.

            Dems could be focussing on these issues and more, but they prefer to do the same old, same old.

          • GreenAlba August 23, 2019 at 8:54 am #

            “Did you know that “certified” organic produce in the USA doesn’t actually require any independent certification whatsoever? Predictably, organic food scams abound. Even worse, it touches nearly everything, since, for example, organic eggs come from organic chickens that eat organic feed, and if the feed is not in fact organic, then neither are the chickens or the eggs.”

            Thank you, Exscotticus! I’ll look into that and send the info. to my MP before negotiations get moving on that trade deal. 🙂

  83. elysianfield August 20, 2019 at 10:48 pm #

    Well, ladies and germs;

    The BBC, this PM, reports that the new James Bond movie will be named “No Time To Die”…and will star…Daniel Craig again as 007.

    Who the hell was spreading the fake news that a black female would be the new Bond? Who read this somewhere and irresponsibly reposted the information? Who is the fuck-up?

    …Uhhh, me….

    • elysianfield August 20, 2019 at 10:48 pm #

      …and I humbly apologize….

      • K-Dog August 21, 2019 at 12:53 am #

        It will have the double ‘O’ no matter who plays it.

    • Exscotticus August 21, 2019 at 1:58 am #

      >>> and will star…Daniel Craig again as 007.

      Really? Not a trannie? The Left will be furious.

      • GreenAlba August 21, 2019 at 5:55 am #

        Daniel Craig keeps saying he’s finished with it – looks down his nose at it and then puts a peg on it and takes the money.

        I liked him better back when he was Geordie in Our Friends in the North.

  84. Sez here, ““You would have to eat twice as much broccoli today to get the same nutrients as a generation ago.”

    Is that true?

    First you’d have to convince me people eat broccoli.

    • GreenAlba August 21, 2019 at 5:49 am #

      Delicious, especially with a bit of grated parmesan sprinkled on it. The long-stem varieties are even better.

      • Ol' Scratch August 21, 2019 at 11:11 am #

        I don’t mind the taste so much, but broccoli never satisfies my hunger. It’s like eating water, which it mostly is.

        • GreenAlba August 21, 2019 at 12:22 pm #

          True, Scratch. Like salad, it makes you feel full for about half an hour. I guess you’d have to make a proper cheese sauce for it then!

          • Ol' Scratch August 21, 2019 at 4:08 pm #

            Kinda defeats the purpose. I like it with sour cream though. Baked potatoes even more. The little Golden variety. Their high GI myth apparently doesn’t hold for me. Blood sugar stays nice and stable (~120 for an hour so after eating, then back down <100) eating a ton of potatoes.

  85. What happened to our host’s capsule movie reviews?

    • Exscotticus August 21, 2019 at 11:00 am #

      Movies are out; “lived experiences” are in.

  86. Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2019 at 12:56 am #

    Patriot Prayer vs Antifa. Judge for yourself which one is the crazed hater. Humorous aspect: Antifa is far more White than the “racist” Patriot Prayer. This is good Civic Nationalism. And yeah, I’ll take it over what these maniacs and the Democrats (same thing at this point) have in store for us. The Indian and the Black say, “We’re proud of who we are. Why doesn’t this White guy get to be proud of who he is?”.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa3l7PhMfp0

    I don’t know if there are enough non-Whites like this though. If there were, Whites who valued their race could focus on themselves and promote their own culture in peace within the larger order – one both benign and more or less Western in nature. And again, this future is far more likely than the one I and my Brothers in Asgard and Vanaheim desire.

    • K-Dog August 21, 2019 at 1:20 am #

      Goes to show (though I’m not watching it) that Sumerian Lizard Blood has nothing to do with skin color.

    • SoftStarLight August 21, 2019 at 2:42 am #

      I think there may be enough Conservative Blacks and Browns who would be allies to us and who actually believe Whites have a right to ethnic freedom and self determination that a potential political alliance could arise. That would be a huge step up from what’s going on now. And then we would gain the freedom to openly advocate for ourselves at all levels.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2019 at 3:48 am #

        I wonder. The Hispanics in particular are playing the long game, and playing it very well. They fully intend to take the Southwest at the very least – and are well on their way to doing so. And Blacks have been ethnically cleansed from parts of Southern California by them. And of course, the fanaticism of Blacks against Whites is very well known.

        Another factor: some of the Civic Nationalists hate us with a passion and the Movement is already well infiltrated by the Tribe. But Yes – the Crisis is upon Us and we alone simply don’t have the strength at this time. We actually need the Civic Nationalists. Whether they will tolerate us long term or even short is another question. As I said before, the Oath Keepers didn’t even show up because they didn’t want to be associated with possible White Nationalists at the event.

        The Indian guy said, I’m glad that Whites came and killed and conquered us because that’s how we got Christianity. This is a very extreme viewpoint. You’re not going to find many Indians who talk this way. They don’t matter so much as their numbers are small. But their dispossesion is a potent weapon the Left uses against us. Btw, to the extent the early Europeans felt bad about what was happening to the Indians, to that extent they felt the debt could only be paid by converting the Indians to Christianity – the best thing that we had to give.

        • SoftStarLight August 21, 2019 at 9:25 am #

          Agreed. The Hispanics are the most immediate threat to White demographic dominance and they are doing very well in terms of collective action and organization. They are much more of a threat than Blacks in this way. One thing I do want to point out is that the Hispanics and Blacks are also under the same attacks as Whites when it comes to issues like transgenderism, homosexuality, feminism, etc. At least in this culture. I am not sure if you have noticed this but they are making Black men more emasculated and much less “threatening” in newer shows, commercials, etc. In fact on YouTube just in the last several months I remember seeing a commercial where two Black football players (or maybe they are basketball players – I admit some ignorance in these matters) had a cupcake making business and they were wearing pink aprons in the commercial and making cupcakes with pink frosting. And if YouTube is any barometer of social trends I would say there are lots of Hispanic drag queens and just gays generally posting all sorts of videos lol. All of this just to say that the cultural rot that the Globalists are putting out there are having effects on all populations. Even Turkey and Saudi Arabia are promoting more women’s rights these days!!!!!!!

          The other thing that comes to mind is that as much as we don’t see eye to eye with him on many things JohnAZ I think is on to something in regard to the diehard, unmovable White SJWs. They may very well be our worst enemies exactly because they are within the house and they are committed to destroying any opportunities for us to take collective action. They are the first ones to betray us. Who needs Black and Brown enemies if they are supposed to be our brothers, sisters, and friends? So I think your instinct is right in that we will have to make strategic alliances and will have to be flexible since the times are so dangerous and precarious.

          • malthuss August 21, 2019 at 10:48 am #

            Chinese?

            australia reports–

            Darling Harbor in Sydney is 90% owned by Chinese.
            In fact, much better Chinese food there now then in Mainland!
            My brother was transferred there and they put him in a condo in Darling Harbor and all of his neighbors are from Mainland and Singapore.
            All pretty wealthy also. Nice 2-bedroom condos there sell for well over a million now he said.

          • BackRowHeckler August 21, 2019 at 7:41 pm #

            Quite a few Hispanic drag queens and queers wiped out at the pulse nightclub in Orlando by a muzzy gunmen.

            I cant remember did the left and their agit/prop media blame that one on whitey too?

            Brh

          • SoftStarLight August 22, 2019 at 1:39 am #

            The Chinese are colonizing the world. Thank you for bringing this threat up. There are tons of Chinese colonists on the West Coast and with things you have said before I can only conclude that many of them have expensive tastes. So as their numbers increase I suppose there will be that much more environmental damage done. And our government encouraged this country to grow like this? When was that on the ballot or was that a secret vote?

            Brh – the media was for sure very disheartened that the Pulse Nightclub shooter was a Gay-confused Muslim. That’s why you never heard the outcry then like you did recently with the El Paso shooter. Even though the victims were LGBTQIA, the most sacred of the new officially sanctioned cults….

        • Majella August 22, 2019 at 6:34 pm #

          “The Indian guy said, I’m glad that Whites came and killed and conquered us because that’s how we got Christianity. This is a very extreme viewpoint. You’re not going to find many Indians who talk this way”

          The key point is that ‘you’re not going to find many Indians who talk this way”. Precisely. One kook says something kooky and you quote it as indicative of..something…what exactly? Your point eluded me.

  87. K-Dog August 21, 2019 at 1:14 am #

    From the USA today flying skateboard:

    President Donald Trump abruptly canceled a trip to Denmark on Tuesday after that country’s prime minister dismissed his offer to buy Greenland as “absurd.”
    .
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    “Look at the King! Look at the the King! Look at the King, the King, the King!
    The King is in the altogether, but altogether, the altogether
    He’s altogether as naked as the day that he was born
    The King is in the altogether, but altogether, the altogether
    It’s altogether the very least the King has ever worn”

    Summon the court physician! Call an intermission!
    His majesty is wide open to ridicule and scorn.

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    • BackRowHeckler August 21, 2019 at 3:20 am #

      We’ve had an airforce base in Greenland since 1942, the arctic landmass being very important strategically in WW2, and even moreso now.

      Russia is launching major initiatives in the arctic, exploring the seabeds fir oil, natgas and rare earth minerals. Both Finca and I have mentioned the nuclear reactors being towed across the arctic ocean to power up seamining operations.

      However, what promoted the President’s announcement concerning Greenland is China’s apparent interest in developing its own airbase in Greenland, as well as a seaport. As we are seeing in Africa and the Caribbean, once the Chinese move into a place and begin developing it, they tend to eventually own it. So it might be great fun for the Danes to mock Trump and tell him to go to hell, we’ll see if they can mock Xi and tell him to go to hell once the PLA gets into Greenland. Kenya is experiencing this exact thing right now with their main seaport, which the Chinese developed, then took over.

      There’s an ongoing international competition over energy resources in the Arctic Ocean, a struggle for energy between China, Russia and the USA. I know, I know, we don’t need arctic oil, we have windmills and solar panels, we’ll just sit around staring at our bellybuttons, apologizing for our ‘imperialism’, and feeling guilty about racism. Meanwhile, the world moves on, and sane countries look after their own interests.

      Brh

      • BackRowHeckler August 21, 2019 at 5:09 am #

        Actually, China is more interested in Greenland for its rare earth minerals, which they plan to exploit undercover of an Australian mining company they have controlling interest in. The MSM knows this, but they did not report it. (The WSJ did, as well as Forbes)

        So KDog, all is not what it seems.

        Brh

        • K-Dog August 21, 2019 at 10:47 am #

          The Chinese have a symbol for crisis. It is a composite of the elements ‘danger’ and opportunity.

          But I doubt the Chinese know rare earth minerals are in Greenland any more than you do. No cigar BRH and what is the truth?

          The truth is the Emperor has no clothes and every vested business interest in the nation now pushes the WSJ and Forbes to cover Trumps butt and attempt to normalize his proof of insanity and duplicity in playing flyover america for fools.

          • BackRowHeckler August 21, 2019 at 11:11 am #

            We’re the fools. Dems who back Liz Warren –the most likely candidate — are the wise ones.

            Is that about the size of it?

            Brh

        • malthuss August 21, 2019 at 10:48 am #

          see what I posted north of this.

      • Ol' Scratch August 21, 2019 at 10:28 am #

        Unfortunately Denmark told Trump to go fuck himself. Maybe we should add them to the enemies list and invade?

        • K-Dog August 21, 2019 at 10:48 am #

          Maybe we should follow their example?

          • Ol' Scratch August 21, 2019 at 10:54 am #

            Good luck with that with the Dems in opposition. Twixt a rock and hard place, we are.

        • BackRowHeckler August 21, 2019 at 11:08 am #

          We won’t. But certainly the Russian army could roll thru there as an afterthought. I wonder how we will respond when Denmark comes crawling to us for help. Something tells me it will be nothing like 1944.

          Brh

          • Ol' Scratch August 21, 2019 at 11:31 am #

            You’re perpetually stuck in 1950. You need to update your memes.

  88. FincaInTheMountains August 21, 2019 at 1:38 am #

    Fucking the little children is not enough for American Devil worshippers and Satanists – now they’re trying to fuck the American economy using their “secret knowledge” of the workings of Western Financial System which they invented back at the times of the Templar Order.

    • malthuss August 21, 2019 at 10:49 am #

      USA? Israeli? UK? Belgian. hmmmm.

      African billboards telling men to stop baby raping.

    • K-Dog August 21, 2019 at 10:52 am #

      The secret factory in Utah allegedly making machines to scrub CO2 out of the air is really making Greenland Ice Melters to melt patches of ice down to the bear earth where drilling reveals goodies to take.

      One of the things the drills will be looking for is soil.

      • K-Dog August 21, 2019 at 10:53 am #

        Bare not bear.

  89. FincaInTheMountains August 21, 2019 at 1:58 am #

    If the Order of Hospitallers was a medical order, which later assumed the function of protecting pilgrims, the Templar Order was originally created by Hugues de Payens as an order of armed ascetics “carrying Christianity on the edge of the sword” and was a fundamentally new phenomenon in civilization Christianity, which turned theology into military discipline.

    Naturally, this theology was inextricably linked with the Cistercian reform, if only because the main authors of the first Templar charter, which became the model and pattern for all subsequent charters of the military ascetic communities in the West, were Hugo de Payne and “saint” Bernard of Clairvaux.

    http://www.templiers.org/regle1-eng.php

    But the real birth of the Knights Templar should be considered the day of March 29, 1139, when Pope Innocent II, with his Papal bull “Omne Datum Optimum”, called the “Magna Carta of the Templars”, noted the death of his rival Antipope Anacletus II and thanked the followers of “saint” Bernard of Clairvaux for their assistance provided to him in the fight against a man of Jewish descent who occupied the throne of St. Peter.

    In this bull, he granted the Order of the Templars many unusual privileges, including the right to free, that is, duty-free border crossing, exemption from paying tithing and from any church authority, except for the authority of the Pope – sounds a lot like some modern multi-national corporations, doesn’t it?

    Thus, this bull made it possible for the Knights Templar to acquire a new quality, which made it not only the first supranational community, such as the European Union or the Comintern, but also, thanks to the check transfer system invented by the Templars, the first transnational corporation that created financial capitalism.

  90. Walter B August 21, 2019 at 2:00 am #

    Getting a late start here folks as I just returned from three days in DC and was very, very busy there. Sorry to go against the flow of the deniers that just love to come here to grumble, but Jim is right and always has been. The future will have less for more, and more for less, and we had all better hope that the less never wake up to understand this or it will invert rapidly and quickly. What our host does here is to reach out to those that care to be at least a little bit prepared and better off once the bulk of the crowd wakes up. Yes the haves are still spending and enjoying the high times, but those of them that are wise are already stocked up on hard assets and safe places, at least as safe as they can be. Many also now possess the means to transport themselves to havens that they have prepared for the inevitable.

    The problem is that when too many start saving and preparing, the already vapid economy will totally crap out if enough who consume cut back on consuming. This could happen whether those who now consume choose to stop and save or if they become tapped out while continuing to consume. This is one of the reasons that some in government want to hand out more cash and freebies, to keep the consuming hoards in business and why some want to hand out higher wages to the bottom dwelling wage earners. Surely they will continue to consume with higher wages, no?

    In the end, those in power can never have an accurate enough handle on the overall state of decay to prevent collapse and so will consequently fail in keeping going what cannot continue to go on. The trigger will come from outside IMHO and it won’t take more than a few years to do this. Be patient, it will all play out as written. It just takes time.

    • FincaInTheMountains August 21, 2019 at 2:18 am #

      Are you, Walter, talking about the “prepper” mentality of chicken coops and meals ready to eat?

      What an utter nonsense!

      Only preservation of the State based on Christian (or, in broader sense, Abrahamic) morality could save the civilization on this planet.

      • Walter B August 21, 2019 at 2:24 am #

        Actually I am not calling for that Finc, I advocate conservation of resources, reduction of personal consumption and saving by spending less than you make.

    • Ol' Scratch August 21, 2019 at 10:26 am #

      Just back from DC? Better have the local fire department hose you down under high pressure after a bleach bath and a good scrubbing with a very stiff brush, Ol’ Walt! Might need to take a layer of skin or two off just to be sure.

      • K-Dog August 21, 2019 at 10:56 am #

        Quarantine!

        • Ol' Scratch August 21, 2019 at 11:08 am #

          Definitely warranted!

    • Majella August 21, 2019 at 7:19 pm #

      An aside on this, Walter:

      “Yes the haves are still spending and enjoying the high times, but those of them that are wise are already stocked up on hard assets and safe places, at least as safe as they can be. Many also now possess the means to transport themselves to havens that they have prepared for the inevitable.”

      I’ve mentioned this before, but have new information. The inflow of the wealthy (particularly Americans) to New Zealand as their post-collapse bolt-hole is heating up.

      The NZ government runs the Overseas Investment Office which basically rubber-stamps the purchase of NZ land by non-citizens. The ones that gain public notice and media attention are those with the biggest chequebooks – Shania Twain, Peter Thiel & the like. However, if one is prepared to settle for a LESS than flashy showy huge estate, then it’s possible to get in ‘under the radar’.

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/88705064/super-rich-americans-buying-land-in-new-zealand-as-bolthole-from-apocalypse

  91. FincaInTheMountains August 21, 2019 at 2:23 am #

    Hillary Clinton To Hold $50,000-Per-Plate Fundraiser For Democrats

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/20/hillary-clinton-50000-plate-fundraiser-democrats-dnc-2020/

    The Witch is laughing at everybody – she’s going to run.

    • Walter B August 21, 2019 at 2:27 am #

      Godzilla vs Mothra II, no doubt!

      • Exscotticus August 21, 2019 at 11:01 am #

        That analogy works well.

    • BackRowHeckler August 21, 2019 at 3:30 am #

      $50,000, that’s all?

      They’re getting away cheap.

      A few years ago at our State U she was paid $300,000 for a twenty minute speech, in which she said, basically “You go, girl”

      The day she got here you woulda thought the Queen herself had arrived, motorcades, colorguard, wall to wall TV coverage, the Dem ass sucking was embarrasing.

      Brh

  92. drewkeeling August 21, 2019 at 4:55 am #

    One of the best clusterfuck blog entries ever: a sober assessment linking past, present and future.

    “What will you do?”
    What might we do (more so than we are already)?

    For one thing: recognize that knowledge, candor and education existed, developed and spread long before fossil fuel based economies (and can survive past the “carbon bubble”), before ubiquitous 24/7 global communication/surveillance/misinformation/confusion, and despite trite boasting (“make America great again”) often upstaging better-informed politicking.

    Homo sapiens has the capacity for sapience, including the ability to learn from past mistakes. Mistakes have been prolific across human society in recent times. Learning has been lagging, and that imbalance could be better addressed.

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  93. JohnAZ August 21, 2019 at 5:33 am #

    The problem is that it takes more and more to maintain the status quo as the economic system grows. That is a Ponzi scheme and all systems based on growth are Ponzi schemes. Good example is fracking, the ultimate Ponzi scheme. As the demand refuses to drop, it takes more and more drilling to keep up. Frack wells are based on diminishing returns with time, thus even more are needed. Eventually the resources required, money and loans runs out.

    A great analogy for Ponzis is an expanding ripple in water. The circumference expands as a function of the diameter (3.14xdiameter). The resource to keep the ripple going is water. In economics, it is capital. A ripple will go on forever if the water is unlimited. So will economic Ponzis, if capital is unlimited. Unfortunately, it isn’t. When the capital, or the investment appeal, declines, the ripple stops and the bubble bursts. If you think of the economy as Ponzi building on Ponzi building on Ponzi, it is easy to see if one Ponzi dies, it takes the whole group of investments down with it. 2008 occurred because the mortgage CDO Ponzi ran out of “good” mortgages to feed the ripple expansion with. Capital runs out, the ripple stops expanding, investment appeal dries up, people realize they are not going to make money, panic and 2008.

    Current Ponzis are fracking, student loans, the Feds trying to increase mortgages again, the Fed and quantitative easing, heck the entire economy right now is an inflation Ponzi using debt as the capital pool feeding the ripple. Same on the Global level. The global debt bubble needs the USA capital pool, especially the illicit goods markets, to keep the interest payments up. We are starting to see the global ripple falter as the capital generation is slowing down. Why? The illicit markets are starting to feel the pinch of increased surveillance and enforcement. Interesting phenomenon, Build the wall, slow the trades, and Germany, Italy, Greece, Spain, ie the EU goes bankrupt.

    I am glad I do not have to ride this wild mustang. I am glad a businessman is running the show instead of another worthless politician.

    By the way, the more you delay the stopping of the ripple, the more area is affected and the greater the collapse. Kicking the can down the road only makes bigger ripples and bigger collapses. The next one is going to be a doozy.

    • SoftStarLight August 21, 2019 at 10:08 am #

      Interesting post John. I believe you are right. The growth economy is nothing more than a scheme with the wealthiest at the top being the ultimate winners. An economy is important to any society or nation. But the problem is that the economy and materialism in general have become the be all end all of American society for sure and mostly so for all of Western society as a whole. The imbalance is extreme and the associated damage the imbalance is causing is thus severe. The costs are racking up environmentally, socially and culturally. A balanced society needs an economy but also needs spirituality. A balanced society needs to be anchored in the material as well as the immaterial. I did see the conversation up thread regarding thinkers vs. feelers. And that is precisely where all of this leads. A balanced society needs to find a way to reconcile thinkers and feelers because both aspects are needed for a healthy approach. After all, don’t we all think and feel regardless of our overall personality characteristics? Growth for the sake of growth is destructive as is religion for the sake of religion. So that kinda also goes back to Mr. K’s previous post about the national matrimony. Our economy is dominated by thinkers and our culture is dominated by feelers and we are all out of balance. We need a new and better arrangement and ultimately a reconciliation of these opposing forces and I do believe it is very possible as long as the Will is there.

      • FincaInTheMountains August 21, 2019 at 10:37 am #

        In ancient Rome, the basis of its strength and power was Roman morality, described in particular by Seneca.

        • K-Dog August 21, 2019 at 11:07 am #

          And it ended after 900 years with the fall of a people who blinded rivals to gain and maintain power. People who cannot be missed. The spawn of Seneca led to a people who lived lives beyond corruption.

          In Constantinople, in the palace, was a golden bird.


          Miracle, bird or golden handiwork,
          More miracle than bird or handiwork,
          Planted on the starlit golden bough,
          Can like the cocks of Hades crow.

          A mechanical sculpture. Out of place in Byzantium but in our time crude attempts to remake the natural world are ubiquitous.

      • Majella August 21, 2019 at 7:03 pm #

        SSL: “religion for the sake of religion”.

        Can you expand on this concept? Do you have a concrete example with which to illustrate it?

        • SoftStarLight August 22, 2019 at 1:45 am #

          Like a person who goes to Church on Easter to checkmark the box but who has not the slightest clue what the Bible even is. Going through the motions without the emotion in other words. I am sure I can think of more but I think you get it.

          • capt spaulding August 22, 2019 at 8:01 am #

            Sounds exactly like Trump to me, although I’m sure you fail to see the similarities, Anyway, he IS the chosen one.

          • capt spaulding August 22, 2019 at 8:03 am #

            Can you imagine the Republican uproar if Obama had had the balls to say something like that?

    • Ol' Scratch August 21, 2019 at 10:23 am #

      Congrats JAZ! It appears you have truly seen the light regarding Ponzis, at least. Unfortunately, Trump’s caught up in the same scam as well, so don’t expect him to fix anything. The government really has very little control over any of this now anyway. They’ve given it all away in the name of privatization and the “efficiencies of the market place.”

      • JohnAZ August 21, 2019 at 10:33 am #

        The issues that confront the world, not just the US, are not fixable by any government. Every government, whether international or national, has shown itself to be incapable to address problems they are supposed to address, let alone problems that are insurmountable. Our federal government can screw up the simplest issues. Government action is totally non-productive.

        So the socialists are going to screw us into the wall if they regain power across DC. If the US public elects them in, they deserve what they are going to get.

        In a choice between private and public, private will win hands down.

        • Ol' Scratch August 21, 2019 at 10:52 am #

          Well, but realize that the Government was purposely fucked up by private interests that infiltrated and took over. That was always the plan, and it’s worked out perfectly. Without legitimate oversight from civic minded people (are there any remaining?), the private sector is free to wreck everything and take the profits for themselves; aka, privatize the profits and socialize the losses. The question has always been, not will we have socialism, but who will benefit from it. The answer is all around us now. The rich, of course.

          • K-Dog August 21, 2019 at 11:35 am #

            Beginning with taxes on the lower class to keep gas in rich boats planes and their other toys in the new world of an EROEI less than 1. Rich socialism with capital gains continuing to be untaxed while the new infrastructure evolves.

            Energy Returned on Energy Invested.

            When the EROEI ratio of an energy source is less than one it becomes an energy sink and is useful only as a means of energy storage or conversion. In the coming fracking bailouts:

            Solar energy where it does not flood, will be converted from sunlight to corn. People will eat this corn after it has been turned from corn to corn syrup by acid. The standard way corn syrup is made.

            Corn syrup will be turned into labor and that labor will then convert to money as it is taxed. Taxed money will finally, at the end of this long sausage mill; be turned into subsidized fracked oil for the rentier class.

            Am I missing anything?

          • Ol' Scratch August 21, 2019 at 11:39 am #

            That’s pretty good summation. Of course some of that corn will turn into ethanol as well to supplement the fracking oil and the labor, but other than that…

      • Majella August 22, 2019 at 4:53 am #

        I. My case, such events as weddings & funerals are without choice or conflict. Thee Easter/Christmas Eve duty of younger years was for the benefit of parents’ sensibilities.

  94. pkrugman August 21, 2019 at 10:16 am #

    Three men control DJT: Wayne LaPierre, Franklin Graham, and Vladimir Putin. Whatever those white men want they get.

    • Exscotticus August 21, 2019 at 11:08 am #

      One prejudice controls janet: hate-whitey.

    • BackRowHeckler August 21, 2019 at 11:19 am #

      Who controls you, Little Jane?

  95. K-Dog August 21, 2019 at 10:33 am #

    Every fold in the fabric of our culture must be ironed with new purpose and drama. Old institutions but more particularly new institutions do not service needs or respond to the possibilities of life in our times.

    Mechanized modernity created empty lives without purpose . The acolytes of progress and domination by machine feel something is wrong, yet still they demand more of the same. Now in a world of tight energy, with soils being drawn-down like never before, doubling-down for more of the same is the mentation of a lunatic. It is the mentation of tool users who can’t think.

    Before Trump can do the ceremonial bulldozer thing to start construction on his new Greenland golf course, everyone in America will have starved to death.

    • JohnAZ August 21, 2019 at 10:38 am #

      Remember Kdog, there are other considerations that may be at play here regarding Greenland, like China getting Greenland territory, the loss of resources as it thaws, enemies getting economic control of a territory very close to Canada and the US. Let this one ride a bit.

      • pkrugman August 21, 2019 at 11:05 am #

        Paraguay has large fresh water reserves. Let us not let this ride a bit. Danes have fought with the United States in wars.

        Denmark’s queen issued a formal state invitation to DJT and he outrageously canceled the visit because Denmark is not willing to negotiate with DJT over sale of its territory. What disrespect for Denmark’s national sovereignty.

        Alaska. Hawaii. Ohio. California. I hope China or Iran or Russia don’t start eyeing one of our states, to negotiate with DJT for its purchase.

        Let’s not let it ride. Let’s use the 25th amendment.

        • Exscotticus August 21, 2019 at 11:14 am #

          >>> Alaska. Hawaii. Ohio. California. I hope China or Iran or Russia don’t start eyeing one of our states, to negotiate with DJT for its purchase.

          LOL. If this did happen, you’d be the first to insist that these states have a right to do whatever whenever, and would no doubt blast “white men” for holding on to their “colonies”.

        • SoftStarLight August 21, 2019 at 4:42 pm #

          WOW LOL!!!!!!! Now national sovereignty matters when it’s Denmark but according to you Janet we don’t have any right to sovereignty on our own border here in the US.

          • Majella August 21, 2019 at 7:38 pm #

            FYI, in 1919, Denmark was in a bit of financial strife and put Greenland on the market. However, Woody Wilson wasn’t interested.

            Now, it’s an autonomous territory within Denmark and as such, has the legitimate right to tell Trump it’s not for sale (aside from Denmark telling him that too).

          • Exscotticus August 22, 2019 at 10:34 am #

            >>> FYI, in 1919, Denmark was in a bit of financial strife and put Greenland on the market.

            And did they ask Greenlanders for their opinion?

            >>> Now, it’s an autonomous territory within Denmark

            Meaning Greenland is semi-autonomous overall. Still basically a colony. So funny to see you twist and contort defending the rights of white people to do what they will with their colonies.

        • GreenAlba August 21, 2019 at 8:50 pm #

          Trump had a hissy fit because of the use of the word ‘absurd’. ‘I thought it was a very not nice way of saying something.’ he said, referring to the ‘nasty’ Queen. A very not nice way. Ouch.

          This from Mr Political-Correctness-is-killing-us, he of the Shithole Countries, who takes his ball home because of the absurd word.

          Sticks and stones can break my bones but words can be absurd.

          Poor wee scone.

          • Majella August 21, 2019 at 11:57 pm #

            It’s enough to make you want to tear your hair out…

          • Exscotticus August 22, 2019 at 10:36 am #

            Do it! Semi hairless is all the rage with the gender-fluid.

          • Majella August 22, 2019 at 6:42 pm #

            Ex – I imagine you to be an overweight American with a comb-over and a distant memory of seeing your cock when you pee.

      • Ol' Scratch August 21, 2019 at 11:07 am #

        Maybe we should just nuke it first then and be done with it. Then no one can have it. It’s the exploitation itself – the capitalist paradigm – that’s the problem, not who gets to exploit it.

        • BackRowHeckler August 21, 2019 at 11:16 am #

          China is exploiting resources from all of Africa and the Caribbean. China has a communist govt, and is has plenty of nukes. Is that the Communist paradigm?

          Brh

          • Ol' Scratch August 21, 2019 at 11:27 am #

            China’s authoritarian government controlled capitalist now. Has been for at least twenty five years. You really should try to keep up.

          • BackRowHeckler August 21, 2019 at 2:35 pm #

            Oh yeah,

            All international conflict is behind us.

            Its the end of history, wars are obsolete and … its a crime for any one country took look after its own national interest, specially the US.

            And whatever happens from here on in is the fault of the United States, that’s clear.

            In the UN we’ll be forming up into a big international circle jerk, while singing choruses of Kumbaya, and all peoples of the world working together.

            On the horizon I forsee nothing but sharing, caring, cooperation and brotherhood, with big helpings of love and peaches and cream for everybody. No mad scramble for vital resources, no Nietzschean for survival, just a love fest.

            Brh

          • Ol' Scratch August 21, 2019 at 4:03 pm #

            Since when has the US been looking after its own interests? The plutocrats maybe, but they’re all globalists.

        • Exscotticus August 21, 2019 at 11:26 am #

          >>> It’s the exploitation itself – the capitalist paradigm – that’s the problem, not who gets to exploit it.

          Right, because every entrepreneur’s goal is “How do I maximize overall exploitation?” Jobs, for example, had no interest in computers whatsoever; he just wanted to bring back chattel slavery, and thought maybe home computers would be a great way to make that happen.

          • Ol' Scratch August 21, 2019 at 11:28 am #

            Indirectly, yes. Exploit first for personal profits, the rest naturally follows.

        • K-Dog August 21, 2019 at 11:46 am #

          Don’t even suggest nuking Greenland. Trump will see it as a way to melt ice.

          • Ol' Scratch August 21, 2019 at 11:56 am #

            All options are the table, Pup. Except for nuking Manhattan and DC, of course.

      • K-Dog August 21, 2019 at 11:42 am #

        Can’t let it ride. Clock say quarter to 2 and where I live that means the bar is about to close. Lat call. Every day you let it ride more dogs die.

        Green is the new hat. MAGA red becomes MGGA green. Make Greenland Green Again.

        Letting this one ride would be evil.

        • K-Dog August 21, 2019 at 11:42 am #

          Last Call

          • K-Dog August 21, 2019 at 11:51 am #

            For Alcohol

            One bourbon, one scotch, one beer.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2019 at 12:39 pm #

            Time, Gentleman, Time. Don’t go home thirsty. Go for the gusto, be it a beer, a car, or that girl.

            The Stars are coming Right. The Prime Minister of Italy has resigned. Salvini votes no confidence and is going to dissolve the Government and hold elections. He rises and we along with Him. Ave Salvini! He’s going for it….

            https://www.rt.com/news/466900-italian-pm-conte-to-resign/

            Lots of photos of him in church, holding rosary beads, etc. He knows the score. Man must be humble before God or appear to be so. Appearances matter more than realities sometimes, certainly in this arena.

    • BackRowHeckler August 21, 2019 at 11:03 am #

      Starved to death?

      See my above post about my trip to the local grocery store.

      Even in Zimbabwe, which right now is in total economic collapse even worse than Venezuela, people are not yet starving to death.

      Bfh

      • FincaInTheMountains August 21, 2019 at 11:15 am #

        That’s what they always do – replace the real threats with imaginary ones.

        Threat of Global Nuclear War – with “man-made” Global Warming.

        The complete destruction of American moral identity – with “white supremacy” threat.

        • BackRowHeckler August 21, 2019 at 5:22 pm #

          “Replace real threats with imaginary ones …” — Finca

          You mean like when ISIS was cutting off heads and filming it, and John Kerry, Secretary of State, announced that our biggest existential threat was Global Warming and climate change?

          Do you think Kerry has pulled his head out of his ass yet? He’s on the Vineyard, summering with the rest of the big international lefty lumunaries, head stuck up his ass, piloting his 80 foot yacht thru Cape Cod Canal. Picture that in your minds eye CFners.

          Stabbing epidemic spreading from Europe to Connecticut. Hey this should make you gun control fans happy. At least 6 stabbings in the past week in Vernon, Meriden, Bridgeport and New Haven. One interesting case involves a knife fight between 2 woman. All stabbers and stabees seem to be Hispanic, except one stabber, a black dude who stabbed an Hispanic woman. Apparently, if he couldn’t have her, nobody could.

          Brh

      • K-Dog August 21, 2019 at 11:57 am #

        Reading,

        ‘economic collapse even worse than Venezuela, people are not yet starving to death.

        Makes me feel very good that while I do link, I don’t drink. Because if I did, right now I’d need a triple shot of that juice.

        You all have a very nice day.

        • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2019 at 12:46 pm #

          Some people swear by alcoholic enemas. I mean if you have a drinking problem this might be an alternate way of doing it.

          • Ol' Scratch August 21, 2019 at 4:02 pm #

            Can you imagine the parties? As the young girls are wont to say: “Eww!”

          • SoftStarLight August 21, 2019 at 5:09 pm #

            That is so gross. Some people have died doing that btw.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2019 at 11:11 pm #

            I’m glad you think so. I won’t do it if you won’t.

    • FincaInTheMountains August 21, 2019 at 11:08 am #

      May be Trump is looking to restore the Orthodox Viking Empire of Cnut the Great, the associative member of which Russia of Rurich was, and which was destroyed by the betrayal of William the Bastard.

      • FincaInTheMountains August 21, 2019 at 11:11 am #

        That actually goes as reply to Kdog remark about the construction on Trump’s new Greenland golf course.

      • Ol' Scratch August 21, 2019 at 11:36 am #

        William the Bastard. Has a nice ring to it. If I was running for Dictator I think I’d go with something like that.

        • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2019 at 11:13 pm #

          I’m going to be Hegemon Charles. And btw, when we get our Clusterfuck Cell Block, I’m in charge.

      • GreenAlba August 21, 2019 at 11:37 am #

        “May be Trump is looking to restore the Orthodox Viking Empire of Cnut the Great”

        Maybe so, if he misread the Emperor’s name. 🙂

        • Ol' Scratch August 21, 2019 at 12:16 pm #

          Can the old boy read? I thought he hired someone to do that for him.

          • GreenAlba August 21, 2019 at 12:29 pm #

            “Can the old boy read?”

            Only if the words are written on a ‘nice piece of ass’, I believe.

            Which reminds me of the limerick I once gifted you regarding the Barmaid of Crail (an actual picturesque fishing village on the Fife coast, not far from me).

          • elysianfield August 21, 2019 at 6:45 pm #

            “Only if the words are written on a ‘nice piece of ass’, I believe.”

            Alba,
            …in braille….

          • GreenAlba August 21, 2019 at 8:37 pm #

            That was why it reminded me of the limerick, EF 🙂

          • Majella August 21, 2019 at 11:59 pm #

            Ah…

            This one?

            “There once was a barmaid named Gail,
            On whose breast was written the price of the ale.
            And on her behind,
            (for the sake of the blind),
            Was the same information in Braille.”

          • GreenAlba August 22, 2019 at 3:02 am #

            Almost, Majella. Our local version seems to start with:

            The breasts of the barmaid from Crail
            Were tattooed with the price of Brown Ale…

          • Majella August 22, 2019 at 4:57 am #

            Ah!!! A much more satisfying (and scanning) arrangement. Cheers ?

          • Majella August 22, 2019 at 5:03 am #

            …and in a time of confidence that there was no inflation…! The correction of rising prices would be quite …inconvenient, for our barmaid.
            Ha – e-mail is majellaking at gmail if you’d care to.

          • GreenAlba August 22, 2019 at 10:42 am #

            “and in a time of confidence that there was no inflation”

            Even of the silicone implant variety. 🙂

            Have noted the email, ta! I still consider that one last return flight across the pond as a possibility, maybe for next year, haha…

            Singapore daughter’s BF is stuck in Qatar, which he hates so much he sometimes won’t come out of his hotel room at weekends! He only accepted the move because it was nearer to Sg, where he previously was, than going home to Germany. He’s looking at some jobs in N. America – one in Toronto and one in California. Sg is too far for my faint heart to consider flying to – the less I fly (last time was 2014 – thankfully we have the wonderful Eurostar) the more nervous I get.

          • GreenAlba August 22, 2019 at 11:11 am #

            There’s a step missing in there that involves me visiting Sg daughter if she becomes CA daughter. 🙂

  96. JohnAZ August 21, 2019 at 10:35 am #

    Right on! People seem to have forgotten this. Or maybe in their government ordered lives, it is not important any more.

  97. FincaInTheMountains August 21, 2019 at 11:21 am #

    Paraguay has large fresh water reserves

    He, he, he…

    No Russia can move it’s floating Nuclear Power generating fleet anywhere in the world and start producing plenty of desalinated water on demand, pretty cheap.

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  98. volodya August 21, 2019 at 12:47 pm #

    TPTB-USA

    If you’re out there I’m responding to your comment of Aug 19, 10:09 am which was in reply to my posts of Aug 17 and 18.

    It was really well put together, not that I’m your judge and jury, but it was a joy to read.

    To your point about the role of the nation-state, the basic question is one of the relationship of the citizen to the state. I think the nation-state is there to serve the interests of the citizens, not the other way around. Places like Russia and China might differ with that view.

    That said, there are situations – in times of invasion and national peril – that citizens need to realize that their individual wants and needs take a back seat.

    As to the problem that we’ve been talking about, the gutting of the US economy and that of other western nations, maybe you’re right, those factories were going overseas no matter what. In my view though, there needed to be a whole lot less group-think around the issue, a whole lot less ridicule of people like Ross Perot and more of listening to what they were saying, a whole lot more putting on of thinking caps and thinking things through, instead of blindly accepting the assertions of an academic discipline (economics) that had roughly no record of being right about anything, ever. And, not only the claims of economists but also those of the business community, whose collective self-interest ought to have been manifestly obvious.

    And so instead of what should have been done by the men (mostly men) who had their hands on the wheel of public policy, that being rational deliberation, foresight, forethought, wisdom, forbearance, we got the opposite. So here we are, as you say, we’re stuck talking about tariffs. The horses have bolted and now we’re closing the barn door.

    But there’s other stuff too. Academics on both the left and right, instead of buying into as non-sensical a scheme as that proposed by neo-liberal thinkers, really should think about doing what they’re actually paid to do: think. This was as silly-assed a societal failure as there’s ever been, especially given the preposterous illogic of the whole neo-liberal proposition.

    Do you have any hope of salvaging this mess? For my part, I don’t. Those factories that went overseas to China are staying there, the many millions of jobs provided to an otherwise destitute Chinese peasantry essential to the viability of the Chinese regime. Those rulers in Beijing know they’re outnumbered and have got no hope in hell against an enraged Chinese populace. For the fellas in those mansions it’s an issue of survival.

    And I don’t know how this economy gets reconfigured given we’re running headlong into other problems like oil depletion. If I had to guess, I would guess that this thing will start to look more like 1850 than 1950. Hope I’m wrong.

    From the perspective of a US citizen, the number of mouths that need to be fed in relation to the number of gainful employment opportunities (or that which might be a substitute) needs to be reduced. – TPTB

    You betcha. And as you also say, people need to have a life, a way forward, not just a hand-out which would be the way to societal suicide.

    A guy’s self-worth comes from supporting a gal that loves him and looks up to him and is willing to bear his off-spring. And bread-winner jobs are the glue that make that sexual contract possible. No money, no honey. In the absence of bread-winner employment there is no money, and with no money, no honey. And, with no honey, no family and with no family, no screws holding a guy’s head together. And then there is hell to pay.

    It would seem obvious that anyone that advocates for open borders does not care about the citizens of the US. – TPTB

    I nominate that as the understatement of the decade.

    • TPTB-USA September 13, 2019 at 10:24 am #

      “A guy’s self-worth comes from supporting a gal that loves him and looks up to him and is willing to bear his off-spring. And bread-winner jobs are the glue that make that sexual contract possible. No money, no honey. In the absence of bread-winner employment there is no money, and with no money, no honey. And, with no honey, no family and with no family, no screws holding a guy’s head together. And then there is hell to pay.”

      Hello Volodya,
      I find your perspective profound! If there is any hope for the way forward, that imho is one of the keys.

      It will likely take some time, but I would like to offer a different perspective or two on my read of some of your other positions, and answer your question.

  99. volodya August 21, 2019 at 1:33 pm #

    I’ve read National review on-and-off for a long time. But I don’t recall reading anything remotely like this, not in these pages:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2019/08/12/

    Now, I know that it’s the REPUBLICAN Party, not the Conservative Party. Having said that, the Republicans were defined as conservatives of a sort, spouting a standard set of talking points, on a range of issues, broadly defined as conservative.

    But, until the arrival of Trump, I don’t recall Republicans saying anything like what the writers of these articles are saying. Now, yeah, I know that National Review isn’t synonymous with the Republican Party. But it sure as hell ain’t Democrat or progressive. It’s like wikipedia sez about it, National review defined the boundaries of conservatism in America.

    Now, if that’s the case, what’s “conservative” now sure as hell ain’t your Daddy’s conservatism, not no more cowboy. And if this is how Republicans are now thinking, then this ain’t your Daddy’s Republican Party either. Bye-bye Jeff Flake and Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney and all the old guard. They’re done. Stick a fork in ’em.

    What these articles are doing, and it’s a worthwhile expenditure of time, is to dissect issues surrounding American workers ie people without a degree that work with their hands. It’s quite the thing, reasoned, reasonable, far from the acid and corrosive name-calling of the Democrats and their – cough – progressive wing and their incessant yammering on racism and white supremacy and the deplorableness of that wide segment of the US electorate.

    If this is what conservatives and Republicans are going to sound like in the future, and this is devoutly to be wished, then I would say that this is what wins the day come election time.

    And if this spells the end of the Democratic Party as a power in US politics, then this too is devoutly to be wished.

    The old guard of US politics, like those inbred dick-heads of of Brit politics, are way past their guillotine date. I know this just a group of magazine articles and I know to not read too much into them but I hope this represents the new guard.

    • JohnAZ August 21, 2019 at 2:32 pm #

      V

      The old Democratic Party stood for the Middle and Working class. They favored unions and favored federal control of social issues. They also favored throwing money out for social issues. They believed government fixes problems and public control of the economy.

      The old GOP believed in smaller government, big business, capitalism in the raw, private sector control of the economy.

      New lines are being drawn in the sand. The liberal GOP, the RINOs had moved so far to the left that they joined the Dems in the Deep State. So everyone in DC was for bigger government with more control to aid with social and economic problems. Since Reagan left, the Fed has been uniparty for the most part.

      Then Trump walked down the escalator. He has rallied the part of the old GOP that believes in capitalism, individual responsibility, private enterprise, smaller government, lower taxes, and less spending.

      The Deep State was almost in permanent control of Washington, DC. When Trump won, they were incredulous, and then really pissed. Who does this upstart think he is, taking our power away from us. He has no rightful place in the Deep State sandbox.

      So now the parties are aligned slightly different with folks following along behind. Trump’s GOP is more conservative fiscally and stands for a Whitish Common Culture. The Progressives are socialists, very little of the moderate Dems are left at the national level. They want the power and to control everything they think they are smarter than everyone else, so they think. The new GOP is anti-Deep State, anti globalist, pro business at all levels, believe in the common culture, loyal to the American way. The Progressives hate America the way it is, they want socialist control by the Feds, they are divisive using divide and conquer between ethnic groups to maintain power, fight USA patriotism wherever possible and are tied into the financial world of the Global neo-Liberals.

      2020 should restructure the parties reshuffling the cast of characters in DC. Deep State vs. Deplorables. Should be interesting. This election will indeed probably be the most significant one since 1860.

      • Exscotticus August 21, 2019 at 4:32 pm #

        I mostly agree with this analysis—although Trump is more of a cult-of-personality and less of an ideologue.

        What’s interesting is that Trump has captured the hearts and minds of the “blue collar” working class—the traditional stronghold of the Dems. Don’t get me wrong; Big Labor still throws its support behind Dems. But what was once deep blue is now purple if not downright ruddy. The reasons are many, but shifting narratives are certainly one of them.

        For example, the more race-goggle Dems push the idea that everything is about race, the more white union workers say, “OK—it’s all about race,” and vote accordingly. The more blue collar workers see the Dem’s open border free lunch buffet for illegals, the more they question the wisdom of blind loyalty.

        Elitist Dems have learned nothing from Hillary’s “deplorables” gaffe. Look on this very forum for an attack on “Jim-Bob”. No—Snack Pack wasn’t refering to SJWs at Wesleyan.

        • JohnAZ August 21, 2019 at 4:43 pm #

          The Deep State has made the economic situation in America so bad that the now international corporations have moved assembly overseas. The working class has been screwed by the DS over and over. The workers are looking for the new party to repudiate high taxes and regulations to get mfg. to move back or restart.

          The Progressives have cast their lot with the idea that the open border plus under-educated kids will out number self-motivated folks with their government dependent gimme credo and turn the country socialist.

          The stupidification of America is proceeding. The Deplorables are the main force countering the Leftist power grab.

          2020, critical.

        • Ricechex August 23, 2019 at 1:16 am #

          BTW…I believe the deal made in congress is now upon us. They are hiring social workers and dentists at Homeland Security. Border towns. Job description is to work with detainees. Looks like illegals are getting more benefits.

  100. capt spaulding August 21, 2019 at 2:20 pm #

    Just read that the Federal Debt is projected to top 1 Trillion dollars next year. Looks to me like we need another round of tax cuts and deregulation to spur the economy. Apparently that last 1 Trillion tax cut wasn’t enough to do the job, we should probably have doubled it at the time. Oh well, we can do it again.

    • JohnAZ August 21, 2019 at 2:37 pm #

      Deficit, not debt.

      It is too late, we are beyond help relative to tax cuts or monetary policy to be able to do much. With the enormous yearly payment on the debt, discretionary spending changes are pretty much impossible.

      The real losers are the creditors of the $22 trillion debt. They are counting on the money being there when they need it. Boy, are they in for a surprise.

      • FincaInTheMountains August 21, 2019 at 3:29 pm #

        You mean the printing press will be really pissed?

      • Ol' Scratch August 21, 2019 at 3:59 pm #

        Those creditors are us.

        • JohnAZ August 21, 2019 at 4:31 pm #

          You are both right! Rolling the presses inflates and destroys purchasing power. And yes, the public in the US own most of the debt. In many forms, pensions, Social Security, Medicare, 401ks, US savings bonds, mutual bond funds.

      • Exscotticus August 21, 2019 at 4:44 pm #

        The debt now requires an extralegislative solution—something like a Constitutional amendment that can survive changes in power from one election to the next.

        The 2013 “budget sequestration” was supposed to be the answer, but it doesn’t seem to be working.

    • SoftStarLight August 21, 2019 at 5:17 pm #

      So I guess we are stuck considering just one side of the equation right? What about all of the profligate spending? If we were serious we wouldn’t do tax cuts, some things wouldn’t be deregulated and we would quit spending so much money. None of it will ever happen in the current circumstances. The parties in control are there for a reason. They are doing really really well and want to keep the party going for as long as possible and then when trouble comes they will just POOF and next thing you know they will be in some far off far flung exotic place with a nice estate protected with armed security and ultimate safety insured by bunkers with access to all of life’s goodies. And they will laugh, sigh and go to sleep in a nice warm bed as the peasants back home kill each other for what little of things remain left.

  101. FincaInTheMountains August 21, 2019 at 3:18 pm #

    Jews, Welcome to Babi Yar!

    The official reason for the visit of Netanyahu family to Ukraine is the desire to honor the memory of Holocaust victims shot in Babi Yar.

    The problem is that the Jews in Babi Yar were shot not by the Germans, but by Bandera people, and with enthusiasm that averted even the Germans, and for a Jewess to drop bread and salt eaten by people who consider Bandera their national hero, or even throw that salt over the airfield – this is a completely natural act.

    I wonder how many Russians whom the current Bandera people want to shoot in Donbass, just as their predecessors shot Jews in Babi Yar, will consider the bread and salt thrown by Sara Netanyahu an insult to the “fraternal” Ukrainian people?

    https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Sarah-Netanyahu-drops-traditional-Ukrainian-bread-599115

    • FincaInTheMountains August 21, 2019 at 4:21 pm #

      Main slogan of Bandera: “the Jews and Muscovites on the gallows for a strong Ukraine!”

    • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2019 at 4:33 pm #

      Baba Yaga worshipers. Maybe Bibi’s wife isn’t the first to disrespect them. You folks are good at that – and it is your joy.

      • FincaInTheMountains August 21, 2019 at 4:38 pm #

        Janos, you’ve gone totally nuts!

        Baba Yaga is a totally fictional character from fairy tales:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp4ecOwTZKw

        • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2019 at 11:39 pm #

          You’re Night Watch. I’m Day Watch.

          • SoftStarLight August 22, 2019 at 1:56 am #

            Hah you got told Ivan!

          • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2019 at 3:19 am #

            Did you see that movie? If not, do. Great stuff from the Motherland.

          • SoftStarLight August 22, 2019 at 11:34 am #

            I have not but now I will!

            Is this the one? https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/baba_yaga/

  102. Greta Thunberg says (repeating the science) that all we have to do is reduce energy use by 15% per year every year.

    For the average person in the US that means driving 1 day less per week the first year, an additional day the subsequent year, etc.

    Its all you have to do to save Greta’s world, and your own, from chaos.

    Fortunately its getting easier to get around.

    Today’s New York Times guest Op-ed describes the ticklish joy that the new crop of power-assisted bicycles can deliver to the over-60 crowd.

    The arrival of the post-automobile age is coming faster than anyone thinks.

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    • FincaInTheMountains August 21, 2019 at 4:31 pm #

      Not to worry, when shit hits the fan, Russia will drive couple of floating nuclear plants into New York harbor and sell you all energy you could print the money for!

      No need putting a squirrel on a bike.

    • JohnAZ August 21, 2019 at 4:33 pm #

      Then how come we are consuming more oil year after year?

    • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2019 at 4:34 pm #

      This little moron is a cult figure. The old Maya used to worship mongoloid kids. We are starting to worship autistic girls like Thumbalina.

  103. By now anyone of a certain age knows that higher quality of life means giving up things, not holding on to toxic assets.

    But variety can be achieved by, for instance, substituting the occasional Lyft and an electric bicycle for the personal automobile.

    I took a look at the new bike shop selection today. Interestingly the new bicycles are substantially bulkier than in the past.

    Exponential growth in technology of the bike itself now (200?) years old, and the addition of batteries and motors, with much larger wheels, tires, and suspension systems makes a bike that is nearly indestructible and carries an American size person with ease.

    Today’s bike shops measure your sit bones and make numerous adjustments to make the bike “fit” you like a shoe.

    The helmets don’t just flash lights, they call 911.

    With the motors able to accelerate to small motorcycle speeds, keeping up with urban traffic and hill climbing are a thing of the past.

    • JohnAZ August 21, 2019 at 4:50 pm #

      Again, dream on.

      The average American is welded to the automobile. I would even guess that he/she is physically incapable of biking. Like everything else, CC wise, the problem is convincing the average Jill or Joe to give up their comfort. A great example of the reluctance is the millions of individual drivers in cars in traffic jams versus the car pool HoV lanes. Until the world runs out of fuel, people will not change and when they are forced to, it will not be pleasant.

      • BackRowHeckler August 21, 2019 at 7:32 pm #

        yes, you’ll be on your bike, peddaling you ass off in 95°F heat, or thru torrential rain, making about 8 mph, saving the planet, and here comes, say, a top staffer at the Sierra Club, or a mid level DEP bureaucrat, pulling down a quarter million per year, zipping by in a new Beamer, cool and dry, hitting a puddle to deliberately splash you, giving you the finger, and shouting “Get the hell out of the way!”, thinking, what a goddam sucker. And you will be a sucker.

        Brh

        • Q. Shtik August 21, 2019 at 9:34 pm #

          haha, you’re funny BRH.

          • elysianfield August 22, 2019 at 12:01 pm #

            Q,
            …funny, but true.

  104. FincaInTheMountains August 21, 2019 at 4:49 pm #

    Moscow protests:

    I think she likes it…

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/pavel_shipilin/51193823/1123435/1123435_original.jpg

    • SoftStarLight August 21, 2019 at 5:19 pm #

      That actually does look fun. If it were me I would scream out “Yay I’m flying!!!!”

      • stelmosfire August 21, 2019 at 9:28 pm #

        “I think she likes it”
        “That actually looks fun”
        It looks like a scene from some messed up porn flick. Where do you think the guy in the back has his “Billy Club” huh?

        • FincaInTheMountains August 21, 2019 at 10:44 pm #

          Everyone understands the situation to the extent of his own perversity.

          Personally, I think the guy in the back is holding her feet.

          • SoftStarLight August 22, 2019 at 2:05 am #

            Really!!!??? Porn!!!??? I thought it was more of Ivan’s mind games and propaganda. He is always fighting female demons and witches so I just assumed this was the latest in a series lol.

    • SoftStarLight August 21, 2019 at 5:21 pm #

      Is that all ya’ll got Ivan lol?

    • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2019 at 11:14 pm #

      Finally some male attention and contact.

      • SoftStarLight August 22, 2019 at 2:07 am #

        Just what the doctor ordered lol ;-).

  105. I dream a green dream,
    a motor assist for the mind:

    John of Arizona,
    On a bicycle!

    “The end of the world,”
    they cried,
    but John rode on.

    He rode on the sidewalks,
    He rode in the street

    “John of Arizona,”
    they said in a tweet,

    “Surely he’s beat.”

    But John
    was not
    in a coma.

    “He takes to the street,”
    they said,

    “Every week.”

    And so it was that Arizonans
    discovered a treat:
    in tomorrow’s world,
    they’ll see John on the street.

    Not in a coma,

    Not under a sheet.

    John will not be a sheep.

    • JohnAZ August 21, 2019 at 6:45 pm #

      Ha, love it.

      It is 113 degrees right now. I am not on the street or I would be under the sheets. I will be glad when Sept. comes.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2019 at 11:31 pm #

        Trump has declared he is the Messiah. Is it time, John?

  106. Smoke and blackouts in Major Brazilian cities as Bolsonaro spews lies about his responsibility to keep the Amazon rainforest from burning to the ground.

  107. Majella August 21, 2019 at 6:26 pm #

    I recently saw a Youtube clip of George Friedman (ex STRATFOR boss) commneting on the global economy and in particular, China.

    He makes the point that while China has a population of 1.3 billion, around 1.1 billion of them still live in abject poverty.

    The ‘China’ that we in the West picture when thinking about it is the 200 million who live in the coastal cities and manufacturing zones. He makes the interesting point that all this Chinese manufacturing power is actually part of the American economy – it’s US companies contracting cheap, often exploited Chinese labor to manufacture US-designed goods for the US (and the rest of the West). Growth has slowed to around 6-7% annually, from 15%+ in the early part of the 21st.

    This trade war could crush it and who knows what consequences that will breed?

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    • JohnAZ August 21, 2019 at 6:49 pm #

      Yeah, and I wonder what percentage of economic activity there involves Hong Kong. Boy, give those people some freedom and they want the moon. China has a real problem, their most successful folks want nothing to do with the authorities in Peking.

      • Majella August 21, 2019 at 7:49 pm #

        I was in Hong Kong in 2016. A weird and wonderful place, but generally happy & prosperous people.

        They certainly DON’T consider themselves ‘Chinese’. After 156 years of British rule, it’s no wonder. They drive on the left and all street signs are in English.

        GDP of China is reported to be USD$12.2T and HK’s $363 billion, so only about 3% on that basis, but it’s a ‘showcase’ for Beijing (loved your use of ‘Peking’ there, too..!)

  108. malthuss August 21, 2019 at 7:51 pm #

    Au and NZ, I heard they only want non Whites, unless the Whites have big $.

    yes?

    • Majella August 21, 2019 at 7:59 pm #

      Where’d you hear that nonsense?

      • malthuss August 22, 2019 at 11:06 am #

        “Yes the haves are still spending and enjoying the high times, but those of them that are wise are already stocked up on hard assets and safe places, at least as safe as they can be.

        Many also now possess the means to transport themselves to havens that they have prepared for the inevitable.”

        I’ve mentioned this before, but have new information. The inflow of the wealthy (particularly Americans) to New Zealand as their post-collapse bolt-hole is heating up.

        The NZ government runs the Overseas Investment Office which basically rubber-stamps the purchase of NZ land by non-citizens. The ones that gain public notice and media attention are those with the biggest chequebooks – Shania Twain, Peter Thiel & the like.

        However, if one is prepared to settle for a LESS than flashy showy huge estate, then it’s possible to get in ‘under the radar’.
        stuff.co.nz/business/88705064/super-rich-americans-buying-land-in-new-zealand-as-bolthole-from-apoca…

        • Majella August 22, 2019 at 6:49 pm #

          The ‘nonsense’ I refer to was ‘…only want non Whites, unless the Whites have $?”

    • Majella August 21, 2019 at 8:17 pm #

      Actually, referring to Australia, that may be a tacit expectation, as in ‘whites only’ It had an OVERT ‘Whites Australia’ immigration policy enacted in legislation in 1901 (the year of Federation), which was ostensibly dismantled over time from 1949 to 1973.

      However, Kiwis (and me, personally) certainly remark on how racist Australians can be – not everyone, of course, but in the outback (country) and lower socioeconomic urban areas.

      New Zealand’s population is highly diverse, with at last census, 20% of citizens/permanent residents being born elsewhere.

      Australians have an automatic right of entry and can live and work there without a visa. As a result, the single largest source of new immigrants is now Australians. This is only going to grow as climate change really takes hold…the ‘Lucky Country’ is overcrowded relative to the resources (like water) that are available.

      Immigration into NZ is governed by skills-needed points-based system since 1991 (similar to Canada’s system). If you’re a plumber, a builder, an electrician, a nurse or doctor, you’d probably get in. It doesn’t matter what color you are or where you’re from – only that the qualifications are transferable.

      If you want to get in on MONEY only (such as our bolt-holing Americans), you need to ‘invest’ a substantial amount (not sure how high it got, but several million) into Government 30-year bonds. However, since the election of the Labour/Green coalition in 2017, that’s been tightened up.

      Refugees are limited to around 1,500 a year.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2019 at 11:16 pm #

        There is mass Chinese immigration though.

        • Majella August 22, 2019 at 12:02 am #

          If they have the skills, they can get work. The vast majority are on Student Visas which allows them to work for up to 24 months once they’ve finished their study. If they want to stay after that and can qualify, they’re welcome.

          Auckland, the largest city in NZ, is also the city with the largest Polynesian population in the world (which excludes the Maori, our ‘native New Zealanders’).

          • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2019 at 12:40 am #

            The Maori are freaked out about an eventual Chinese takeover. They can say what Whites can’t. In general, the Polynesians are savages, with the Samoans being the worst apparently. Incredible levels of crime and violence.

            Big report here on the trafficking and disappearing of Indian and Alaskan native women. No mention of the obvious fact that it’s done by their own men for the most part. Though Mexican gangs are infiltrating the reservations it seems….

          • Majella August 22, 2019 at 6:32 am #

            The Asian pop in NZ IS 14.9%, which includes Chinese, Vietnamese, Phillipino, Korean, Japanese, Malaysian, Indian & on & on. Half the ethnically Chinese have been here since the Gold Rushed of the 1850s & 1860s. Extremely well integrated, though, strangely, they still look like Chinese. My home city (Dunedin) had an Indian Mayoress from 1993 till 1999, then a Chinese (lawyer) from 1999 till 2011.

          • GreenAlba August 22, 2019 at 9:01 am #

            Hey, Dunedin! We practically live in the same town, Majella 🙂

          • GreenAlba August 22, 2019 at 11:14 am #

            ‘lived’, rather!

          • Majella August 22, 2019 at 7:07 pm #

            Janos:

            “The Maori are freaked out about an eventual Chinese takeover. They can say what Whites can’t. In general, the Polynesians are savages, with the Samoans being the worst apparently. Incredible levels of crime and violence.”

            Two fallacies for the price of one, from someone who has no fecking clue.

            Who is this “Maori” freaking out about Chinese takeover?

            Then, an egregious generalization about Polynesians. How Trumpian “They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime, they’re rapists….”

            The Tongans, Samoans, Niueans and Cook Islanders still carry their ancient inter-island rivalries. These sometimes erupt into conflict.

            The Samoans (the largest single group) are NOT savages. At 144,000, they comprise only 3.4% of the population. I’ve known many, taught many (in Auckland, back in the late 70s) and they’re perfectly acceptable human beings.

            Sorry, Janos, but yes – they ARE brown, though. Too bad for the likes of you – small-minded racists who traffic in absurd generalizations based on ‘facts’ you pull out of your arse.

          • Majella August 22, 2019 at 7:09 pm #

            Still ‘home’ GA and I’ll be back there before long (thank Dog)

        • malthuss August 22, 2019 at 10:56 am #

          Die versity.

          I remember a ‘Chick’ free mini religious comic FROM THE 1970S,
          If I recall..it was about 1975…..it had Chinese children looking at a map, in class,
          Au was labeled ‘New China’

      • malthuss August 22, 2019 at 11:09 am #

        WE GREW HERE, YOU FLEW HERE

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_violence_in_Australia

        The dangerous !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        belief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that white people are under attack
        [Search domain theconversation.com/the-dangerous-belief-that-white-people-are-under-attack-88622] https://theconversation.com/the-dangerous-belief-that-white-people-are-under-attack-88622
        The slippery slope of whites feeling victimized. White people who support a racial hierarchy, on the other hand, respond relatively favorably to other white people who claim to be victims of anti-white bias – and say they’d be more willing to help those whites ou

  109. Majella August 21, 2019 at 9:04 pm #

    Huh???

    It’s gone too far when Trump announces, publicly, “I am the Chosen One”. PLease, it’s time for the padded suit & rubber room.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2019 at 10:51 pm #

      You gotta admit he has you Jew Dems dead to rights. You’re crazy if you stay with the New Anti-Semitic Democratic Party. Or do you hate Whites more than you love yourselves?

      Israeli Jews in contrast love Trump!

      • Majella August 22, 2019 at 12:05 am #

        “you Jew Dems”..GFY, Janos. I’m neither a Jew nor a ‘Dem’.

        Is it now anti-Semitic to disagree with Israeli political action?

        Hating Jews (the Tribe) but agreeing with the Israeli Government’s apartheid policy towards Palestinians is the height of hypocrisy…I don’t doubt you’ll get there Janos.

        • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2019 at 12:54 am #

          Jews accuse non-Jews of Anti-Semitism at the drop of a pin. Now? When it our lifetime was it otherwise?

          Is an “Anti-Semite” one who dislikes Jews or one whom Jews dislike? Again: Liberal Left Jews can’t stand Trump. Conservative and Israeli ones tend to love him.

          Amazing the shit you people buy into just for the chance to feel superior to other Whites. I suppose you need your guilt complex as well – the replacement for the Christian sin complex.

          We “agree” with Israel about a lot of things. They eat. We eat. They have borders. We want borders. They love their people. We love our people. They have Walls. We want Walls. It’s you people who are the weirdos….. You and the fan boys who adore Israel more than their own people and nation.

          To spell it out: all viable Nations have many aspects in common. No mystery. The mystery is why you can’t understand this or why you people have a problem with it.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2019 at 12:58 am #

            The Maoris weren’t the first people in New Zealand. Their folklore tells of their conquest and genocide of a race of Red Haired giants. So much so that they are no longer allowed to talk about this by the Government who adores them otherwise. Needless to say, such skeletons and artifacts when found are quickly destroyed in order to keep the narrative in place.

            Official Anthropology is Boasian (Communist Jew) and thus devoid of all merit and integrity.

          • SoftStarLight August 22, 2019 at 2:23 am #

            Stop being weird Majella and recognize the simple truths being handed to you. We talked about this before. You don’t like what you see in us because its not “right” but you see it in yourself and someone has to pay the price. End this vicious cycle once and for all. Don’t you love New Zealand? Do you really want a non-White New Zealand? It wouldn’t be New Zealand without the White majority.

          • Majella August 22, 2019 at 5:42 am #

            Re: Israel & anti-semitism: I have no feeling either way for the Jews, I do find the Israeli political state abhorrent. Funny how well it lines up with your fantasy USA as per Trumpism.

            Re: the Maori. What absolute bollocks. I don’t know where you get this information…probably where you find your philosophy – out of your tight little arse.

            If you’d actually done any actual in investigation before spewing such ridiculous bullshit, you’d have found that:

            1) the red-haired giants are mythological, and common to most Polynesian peoples’s creation stories;

            2) the earlier people were a Moa-hunter tribe that arrived from the same homeland (Hawaiiki) and were called MoriOri. Yes, the invading Maori drove them out (surely, in your philosophy, a badge of honor?) until they exist now only on an eastern island group called The Chathams. They are recognized by the Waitaki Tribunal. The Family name they’ve adopted is Solomon.

            You really are only as ignorant as you are arrogant. The bit about the government no longer allows this to be talked about and is for all practical purposes ‘hidden’ Is just egregious crap. The ‘government adores the Maori…??? The Deputy Prime Minister is. a Maori, and in a parliament of 120, 24% or 29 are ethnically Maori- this where the population is only 13% Maori.

            I have many Maori friends – they are gracious and intelligent., and gifted in many was, particularly in music. They also have a great sense of humor, and participate fully in the culture & governance of the country.

            Just thinking of two, one is a high school teacher of great empathy & skill, teaching Te Reo (Maori language) and music.

            The other is a builder (contractor to an American) who runs a sizable & successful business.

            The Maori were never defeated by the British. They signed a Treaty (Te Tiriti O Waitangi) that enshrined their rights as Tangata Whenua (people if the Land). Of course, between 1840 when it ws signed, and late 1970s it was contravened, ignored and plain broken. The colonization was complete, with all the socio-psychological effects of that brutal process.

            Since 1974, the NZ Government – entirely bipartisan- has sought to redress those wrongs in a meaningful way – for example, the Iwi (tribe) that identifies with where I come from, the Ngai Thai of the South Island, are the single largest corporation in terms of assets (land & fishing rights). Yes, we ‘love’ – better expressed as RESPECT the Maori. Good job too, or w’d Look like the Disunited States if America.

            Janos, you’re a total asshole. SSL, I just saw your as usual fluffy appeal to racism. You’re as bad. As I hope you can probably tell, I hope, I love New Zealand and it’s never been ‘white’ ever. I love it just the way it is – it’s not perfect but it is unique and just & fair in comparison to almost anywhere else I’ve been – more like Scandinavia than Australia.

            So, suck it up- you live in Shit-hole Louisiana, and when the collapse come, I’m guessing you’ll be in a world of hurt compared to life on Aotearoa New Zealand.

          • Majella August 22, 2019 at 5:47 am #

            For anyone fact checking , The local iwi I referred to is Ngai Tahu, not Thai. That’s a ways north of Aotearoa…

          • Majella August 22, 2019 at 6:46 am #

            To both of you deluded racist fools:
            As I said, New Zealand has never been ‘white’ -at least not in the sense that you in your infantile dressings mean it. The Maori & Pakeha (European) have been intermarrying since the arrival of the whalers & sealers in the late 28th century.

            There’s no discernible ‘pure’ Maori anymore, and a very large chunk of the population that might identify as Pakeha has identifiable Maori blood. Eventually we’ll all be ‘brown’ and still be New Zealanders.

            I can’t necessarily tell if anyone I meet is Maori or not, unless there name gives me a hint – such as Mac TeNgahue, the teacher I mentioned, or Rangi Wirihana, the builder. It just doesn’t fucking MATTER to me or the fat majority of Kiwis.

            For sure, we’re not totally free of fuckwits like you two, but they’re irrelevant to the conversation and general discourse.

          • Majella August 22, 2019 at 7:00 am #

            Damn, I really shouldn’t post on the iPad – what a clusterfuck of typos:

            Eg *18th* century not 28th; and

            ‘Vast majority’ not ‘fat majority’

            I’ll just finish by stating without any hint of puffery that I firmly believe (and I’m far from alone in this view), especially having travelled the world over the last 30 years, that, for all its faults, foibles and imperfections, Aotearoa New Zealand is the BEST PLACE on this forsaken planet to live, and to raise children, especially now and into the rather murky future.

            Temperate climate, space, wilderness, small cities with all e
            The services you could ever need or want, a benign supportive socialist government, plenty of opportunity to ‘make something of yourself’, or not, as the case may be – no jus
            Dgement. Simply living a good life and raising a sound family is considered success. ‘Getting rich’ is not held in great esteem or awe as elsewhere, but there’s nothing stopping you if that’s your thing…just play by the social riles and meet your tax obligations. Nuff said.

          • SoftStarLight August 22, 2019 at 10:16 am #

            Wow you’re such an authoritarian Majella. You are happy that the Maori are given all preferential treatments and rights (and I am not even arguing against that) and you feel that your country is so superior for loving and respecting the native Maori. Yet your shear hatred for Whites and anything to do with White or White culture belies your liberal and knowledgeable affect. You are just as intolerant as anyone else. It’s just that you feel that your intolerance is superior because you hate your own and not “others”. Sweetie you don’t know me at all. You say that I will languish here in Louisiana. Which by the way. If you wanted a place where you could live off the land (and water) if you had to then look no further. But nonetheless your attitude makes me want to get together a group of neo-Vikings to storm the beaches of your precious islands. And I will have them be respectful too. Just don’t do anything the Maori warriors wouldn’t do boys LOL.

          • malthuss August 22, 2019 at 11:11 am #

            Jews accuse non-Jews of Antisemitism at the drop of a pin.

            as do dumb Christians. I mentioned that a rich Jewish
            man was Jewish and a cuck told me that I am A.S….
            all I did was mention his ‘roots.’

          • Majella August 22, 2019 at 3:14 pm #

            SSL – there you go again, telling me I hate white people. I don’t.

            But you do not see or hear any evidence that contradicts your weird and minority world view. You’re not worth the time and energy arguing with you takes, so go live in your fabulist bubble of ‘strong men’ ( like Janos, who comes across like an Aryan warrior but is quite possibly a 150 kilogram, diabetic 60 year old living in his mother’s basement) and some personally constructed and defined ‘deity’ that lets you off thinking about real world stuff, like science.

            Bah.

          • Majella August 22, 2019 at 7:28 pm #

            SSL:

            “Wow you’re such an authoritarian Majella. You are happy that the Maori are given all preferential treatments and rights (and I am not even arguing against that) and you feel that your country is so superior for loving and respecting the native Maori.”

            Wow, indeed, SSL. As I said, it’s not actually worth my time or energy but you’re irresistibly laughable.

            Can you please point out on what basis, in fact, you accuse me of being ‘authoritarian’? Was it a misspelling and you meant ‘authoritative’?

            Maori don’t get ‘preferential’ treatment – they are simply insisting on their rights as embodied and enshrined in the Treaty of Waitangi, the founding document of the country, under which they became ‘Subjects of the British Crown’ and therefore of equal rights as the immigrant settlers.

            They loved ‘Kuini Wikitoria’ because they understood they were being guaranteed her protection and would avoid the fate of the Australian indigenes. They were well aware of that, having been trading directly with Australia since the early 1800s. The Maori people were your typical pre-European ‘natives’ prior to 1769 when Cook first arrived but they certainly understood what they were up against, adapted and thrived until the great waves of English immigration started in the late 1840s.

            Then they got screwed over just like every colony of the British Empire. A policy of assimilation was adopted, trying to subsume the Maori culture (by killing the language) and hoping that disease would do its best to reduce the population to insignificance. However, they were resilient and have certainly bounced back.

            You really have to live in New Zealand to understand the unique, integrated culture that has arisen, especially over the last 50 years.

            Then you say you’re not even arguing with it – as if it has anything to do with you, as an non-citizen.

          • Majella August 22, 2019 at 7:47 pm #

            Maori excel in many sports but they are particularly adept at rugby. The NZ Rugby Union selects a Maori team each year to play tests against other nations (USA Eagles in 2018 – NZ Maori won, BTW , 59-22)

            To give you an idea of how integrated Maori & Pakeha are in NZ, here’s a list of the 2018 squad – names and their iwi affiliation.

            https://www.allblacks.com/Video/Viewer/29148/2017-maori-all-blacks-squad-photo

            Chris Eves (Waikato / Tainui
            Tyrel Lomax (Ngai Tuhoe / Muaupoko)
            Ben May (Ngati Maniapoto / Waikato)
            Ross Wright (Ngati Whatua / Ngati Porou)
            Robbie Abel * (Ngati Wai, Waikato-Tainui, Ngati Hine)
            Ash Dixon (C) (Ngati Tahinga)
            Jackson Hemopo (Tuhourangi / Ngati Wahiao / Ngai Tahu / Ngati Rangi / Ngati Apa ki te Ra To)
            Pari Pari Parkinson * (Te Whanau a Apanui)
            Isaia Walker-Leawere * (Ngati Porou)
            Billy Harmon * (Ngai Tahu)
            Akira Ioane (Ngapuhi / Te Whanau a Apanui)
            Mitchell Karpik * (Rongomaiwahine / Ngati Kahungunu)
            Hoani Matenga * (Rangitane / Te Whanau a Apanui
            Reed Prinsep (Te Rarawa)
            Bryn Hall (Ngati Ranginui) North Harbour
            Jonathan Ruru (Ngati Kahungunu / Rongomaiwahine)
            Brad Weber (Ngati Porou)
            Otere Black (Ngai Tuhoe / Te Whanau a Apanui / Ngati Tuwharetoa)
            Joshua Ioane* (Te Rarawa)
            Matthew Lansdown* (Te Atiawa)
            Matt Proctor (Ngai Te Rangi / Ngapuhi)
            RobThompson (Ngati Kahungunu / Nga Rauru)
            Teihorangi Walden (Te Atiawa)
            Jonah Lowe* (Ngati Pikiao)
            Nehe Milner-Skudder (Ngati Porou / Tapuika)
            Shaun Stevenson (Ngapuhi)

            You can see it’s not until the 7th name that it is ostensibly Maori, and many of these guys – who are inarguably Maori and identify as such, including Tribal affiliation.

      • Majella August 22, 2019 at 8:48 pm #

        Good job they don’t get to vote then,

  110. FincaInTheMountains August 21, 2019 at 10:51 pm #

    He makes the interesting point that all this Chinese manufacturing power is actually part of the American economy – it’s US companies contracting cheap, often exploited Chinese labor == Majella

    He’s absolutely right.

    The problem is which exactly American companies are getting the profit – if you dig deeper, they ALL from the Clinton clan.

    By increasing the tariffs, Trump essentially is taxing his enemies.

    • Ol' Scratch August 22, 2019 at 11:13 am #

      The problem is which exactly American companies are getting the profit – if you dig deeper, they ALL from the Clinton clan.

      LOL! Better pick yourself up and dust off now, Finc. You’re overreached so far here you’ve fallen flat on your face (again).

  111. Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2019 at 10:56 pm #

    by F. Roger Devlin

    Founding stock Americans are now perilously close to becoming a powerless minority ruled over by aliens who cherish a carefully cultivated resentment—not to say hatred—towards us. If nothing is done to change the trajectory in which our society is moving, it is hard to see how our children can avoid outright physical persecution.

    The hostile elites who rule over us, of course, paint a different picture. Even as they triumphantly celebrate America’s growing racial diversity, they are incredulous any whites could imagine their group is being replaced: that is a “conspiracy theory,” perhaps a symptom of mental illness. Nonwhites are, indeed, growing in numbers and power, but somehow, simultaneously, whites are not losing out in any way. Indeed, we enjoy enormous unearned privilege. The real danger to America is white supremacy, a “sinister ideology” (Donald Trump), a “depraved evil” (Ted Cruz) now said to be on the rise.

    The two side in America’s looming struggle now live in such different mental universes that communication between them has become almost impossible. One reason for this mutual incomprehension is language. Popular political discourse is filled with expressions meant not to communicate, but to manipulate.

    Much of this involves what the great rhetorical scholar Richard Weaver called “god terms” and “devil terms.” God terms include freedom, justice, and—in our own age—democracy and equality.

    The special character of god terms is to combine highly positive connotations with an absence of clear denotation. Thus, people of directly opposed principles can both appeal to “freedom” or “justice.” They use the same words, but do not refer to the same things. Democracy, e.g., can refer to Periclean Athens, Jacksonian America, or even the communist “people’s democracies” set up by Stalin after World War II. Freedom can mean sovereignty and independence, the right to participate in politics, or the absence of state intervention in the market. For Julius Malema’s Economic Freedom Fighters in South Africa, it means the freedom to seize other people’s property.

    Devil terms can be even more manipulative and dishonest than god terms. Obvious contemporary examples include “racist,” “white supremacist,” “fascist,” and “neo-Nazi.” Past ages had different devil terms—”heretic,” “atheist,” “communist,” etc. The specific words change, but they always combine intensely negative connotations with extreme vagueness of denotation, i.e., they denounce a presumed referent without serving to make clear exactly who it is.

    Devil terms are an aspect of demonology, an aspect of any religion or ideology. It provides a way of accounting for the failure of an ideal to be realized. In the Christian Middle Ages, the City of God could never be built on earth because there were literal demons roaming about, forever tempting men into sin. But, while scapegoating by means of devil terms has deep roots in religious demonology, its more immediate predecessor was a utopian political ideology of the last century: communism.

    The fantasy of the Worker’s Paradise quickly gave way to a hellish tyranny accompanied by widespread famine. Since Marxism had to be true and Lenin and Stalin were leaders of genius, someone had to be responsible for this failure. Very soon it was discovered that kulaks, wreckers, and enemies of the people were preventing the success of communism. Thousands of real persons were quickly discovered to be—or rather designated as—kulaks, wreckers, and enemies of the people. Those so designated were either shipped off to Siberia or shot; they were helpless to defend themselves, because they were not being accused of any specific act. Devil terms allow the powerful to victimize the innocent precisely through their failure to denote any specific, objectively definable class of people.

    Racists and white supremacists populate the demonology of contemporary multiculturalism. They are the heirs of last century’s kulaks just as Cultural Marxism is the heir of Marxism-Leninism. In the eyes of today’s true believers, only white supremacists prevent the emergence of a happy society in which various ethnic identity groups live side by side in mutual esteem, free of conflict.

    Of course, nobody goes around with “white supremacist” tattooed to his forehead, but such a class of persons must exist since racial inequality and conflict remain despite decades of cultural Marxist policymaking—and it is simply unthinkable anything might be wrong with that! So the demons must be hunted down and eradicated.

    Now, in calling “white supremacist” a devil term, I am not denying that one can find objective definitions of it in dictionaries: typically, “one who believes the white race superior to all others and should rule over them,” or words to similar effect.

    But this is not how the word is actually used. When Patrick Crusius killed twenty-two people at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, he was denounced not just by the Left but also by the Establishment Right as a “white supremacist.” Yet his manifesto—suppressed by most news outlets—contained no claims about white racial superiority; it did not say whites should rule over other races. The shooter was angry about the Hispanic invasion of the United States.

    So the definition-in-use of white supremacist as evidenced by the ritual denunciations of Crusius amounted to “immigration patriot”—not to what is found in dictionaries. By this definition, a majority of law-abiding Americans are white supremacists, and therefore candidates for eradication.

    No wonder so many Americans do not want to give up their guns.

    It is not easy to formulate an argument that whites, uniquely among the world’s peoples, lack any moral right to organize in defense of their interests or to maintain homelands of their own. So our enemies do not, in fact, attempt to formulate such arguments; they simply lie. The lying takes the form of name-calling, and consists in the discrepancy between the dictionary definition and the definition-in-use of devil terms.

    Any statement containing terms such as racist or white supremacist is necessarily a lie, the semantic equivalent of a shell game. A wide variety of definitions-in-use can be surreptitiously substituted for the “official” definition.

    One should immediately distrust any writer who depends on devil terms: he wants to manipulate his readers, not inform or reason with them. This includes most of our opponents most of the time. Were they deprived of the devil term shell-game, they would have little to say at all.

    It would not be easy to defend the dictionary definition of white supremacism either, because it contradicts the principle of reciprocity that is an essential component of justice. If such “white supremacists” actually existed, they would be advocating the selfish exploitation of others, which they could neither defend nor agree to if imposed on themselves. It was in this sense that Tucker Carlson quite accurately described white supremacy as a hoax.

    In reality, recent white advocates have been emphatic about their willingness to let others organize in their interests and maintain exclusive homelands. Indeed, one name that has been suggested for the white racial movement is Euro-Zionism. I have never used this term myself, but one must admit it effectively highlights the double standard maintained by our hostile elites.

    I am unaware of any white advocate who has called for the advocacy organizations of others (the NAACP, American Jewish Congress, and the organization formerly known as the National Council of La Raza, etc.) to be shut down. But our opponents do want to forcibly prevent, for example, VDARE.com from holding a conference calling for immigration restrictions similar to those favored by the President himself. Our side accepts the principle of reciprocity; our opponents are the ones who reject it, even as they falsely accuse us of doing so.

    This may be more than mere hypocrisy: it could well be projection. The enemy may accuse us of supremacism because they would dearly like to have supremacy—i.e., unchecked power—over us.

    And this is something which must concern not merely white advocates, but the entire Historic American Nation.

    Roger Devlin is a contributing editor to The Occidental Quarterly and the author of Sexual Utopia in Power: The Feminist Revolt Against Civilization.

    JS: Good analysis by someone who sounds like a professional philosopher, one able to write for regular people. He sums it up and dismisses the opposition to White Rights very succinctly, does he not? Glad to have minds like this on our side. There are many. The best minds in America are White Nationalist.

    • KesaAnna August 22, 2019 at 12:36 am #

      I think the guy might well do better if he left the air conditioning , and assumed that the spare parts and petrol for even a hundred dollar push mower are simply unavailable , and considered then what sort of task merely mowing his lawn might be then.

      He dismisses the Medieval world off hand . I suspect they knew a hell of a lot more than this Lotus Eater fancies he does.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2019 at 12:44 am #

        You’re going off a tangent. Have a tangerine instead. The issue is White survival in an increasing climate of hatred.

        Surely you don’t believe that everyone accused of witchcraft really was a witch? Or do you?

        • KesaAnna August 22, 2019 at 1:25 am #

          The issue is the end of cheap energy.

          White people may survive merely because the deliverers of force are circumscribed by the limitations of horses , mules , oxen , and camels , which are not inconsiderable.

          White people may survive merely because going on a date is going to be on foot.

          Have you ever paid any fucking attention at all to an automobile mileage gauge ?

          Even a walk of a mere ten miles , which is not a great distance at all , can easily take 15 hours and considerable effort.

          So the gene pool for at least 70% of the population is a 5 mile radius , and that’s it.

          Surely I don’t believe GreenAlba’s heart bleeds for the anonymous victims of Sodom and Gomorrah ,

          And surely I don’t get the impression that you are particularly grieved by how many Germans Hitler killed.

          • GreenAlba August 22, 2019 at 3:10 am #

            “So the gene pool for at least 70% of the population is a 5 mile radius , and that’s it.”

            That’s why medics used to write ‘NFN’ on patients’ notes in the days before data protection: Normal For Norfolk.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2019 at 3:23 am #

            He loved Germans. He was the Leader of the German People and by extension, the White Race. Roosevelt and Churchill were playing for the Other Team. Call it Night Watch. Now we have no Leaders at all hardly, except Salvini. The Dali Lama said we deserve to survive. He’s more of a Pope to us than your Francis – who is obviously a Satanist if you would just look.

          • GreenAlba August 22, 2019 at 5:47 am #

            “Surely I don’t believe GreenAlba’s heart bleeds for the anonymous [alleged] victims of Sodom and Gomorrah ”

            You’d be right, m’dear. It’s been thousands of years and I’m so over it. I can be a heartless witch sometimes.

            I remember who did it though. Allegedly. Maybe Lot’s missus does too. Maybe she’s still there with locked-in(-salt) syndrome forever.

          • SoftStarLight August 22, 2019 at 10:03 am #

            Ah so you are admitting that you can be a heartless witch. I am enjoying this moment immensely ;-). About as much as I enjoyed hearing the term Euro-Zionism. Oh how good it feels to appropriate the terms of the enemies and use it to our advantage and power. If they can have Zion so can we and we will because it is destiny.

          • GreenAlba August 22, 2019 at 10:50 am #

            As I said before, SSL, you really don’t do irony, do you? Over here it’s in our DNA.

      • GreenAlba August 22, 2019 at 5:58 am #

        ” spare parts and petrol for even a hundred dollar push mower ”

        I love that people call that a push mower. When I was a kid we had an actual push mower. No petrol, no electricity, you just…you know…pushed. Damned heavy it was too. I once made my nose bleed spontaneously pushing it up a little sloped bit at the top of our ‘lawn’.

        • GreenAlba August 22, 2019 at 6:18 am #

          In TLE there won’t be lawns, so it will cease to be an issue. There will be grass. And sheep. I see a niche job there for some adolescents, like those guys who drive round lorries full of bees from one place to another. Although it would be better to dig up the lawn and plant some spuds. Unless your street or retrofitted suburban hamlet is into roast lamb from time to time. It could be roasted in the ground caveman style.

  112. Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2019 at 11:17 pm #

    RT

    The wife of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has landed in hot water in Ukraine after she threw a piece of bread – part of a welcoming ceremony – on the tarmac, forcing the Israeli leader to apologize for the blunder.

    The centuries-old Slavic tradition of greeting honored guests with bread and salt was violated by the first lady during the welcoming ceremony in Kiev. The Netanyahus, apparently unaware of the local custom which requires dignitaries to accept the offer of peace by nibbling on a piece of bread dipped in salt, seemed visibly confused when they were handed the offering.

    Eventually, the prime minister grasped the idea of the traditional welcome and ate a piece of bread while giving another to his wife, Sara. However, she apparently was not paying enough attention to the ceremony, as she immediately threw it on the ground.

    JS: A full and public apology must be given, else it should mean war.

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    • FincaInTheMountains August 22, 2019 at 12:23 am #

      The official reason for the visit of Netanyahu family to Ukraine is the desire to honor the memory of Holocaust victims shot in Babi Yar.

      The problem is that the Jews in Babi Yar were shot not by the Germans, but by Bandera people – Ukrainians collaborating with the Nazis – and with enthusiasm that even spooked the Germans, and for a Jewess to drop bread and salt eaten by people who consider Bandera their national hero, or even throw that salt over the airfield – this is a completely natural act.

      How many of CFN distinguished anti-Semites would love to get a chance to shoot their Jewish neighbours like Ukrainians did during the war?

      • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2019 at 12:41 am #

        In other words, you support her insult of the Ukrainian people.

      • KesaAnna August 22, 2019 at 12:50 am #

        well , if the era of cheap energy were to end , and once again energy was to be very expensive ,

        then its a good bet that in many or even most cases shooting people would be prohibitively expensive.

        Instead , you have to find them first , without GPS , and on foot , or employing a mount you must treat better than you would treat a lover , and then you have to get close enough to see their eye color and smell their breathe , and stick a spear in their guts.

        Did I mention that for the better part of 4,000 years that sort of thing was the near – exclusive preserve of very rich people , or Bonnie and Clyde types ?

        And I strongly suspect that at least 70% of the population in no way envied , or admired , those assholes ?

      • SoftStarLight August 22, 2019 at 9:58 am #

        Stop projecting Ivan.

        • GreenAlba August 22, 2019 at 11:26 am #

          You really need to learn what commas are for, SSL.

          I’m seeing a vast illumination against the Houses of Parliament, comprising all of Finca. Who (no offence intended) exists in my imagination as a cross between Tolstoy and Demis Roussos (‘presence’ rather than corpulence).

          • Majella August 22, 2019 at 3:19 pm #

            Lol! Picture me Janos & SSL, GA!

  113. KesaAnna August 22, 2019 at 12:03 am #

    ” SSL: “religion for the sake of religion”.

    Can you expand on this concept? Do you have a concrete example with which to illustrate it? ”

    Example ;

    The other day i was sort of ( so I missed a few of the petty details ) watching this crime / police drama .

    The theme of this crime / police drama was some police unit that looks at old cold cases and tries to solve them.

    In this particular episode / case they looked at a murder that took place the same night as the famous Orson Welles’s radio broadcast of , ” The War of the Worlds . ”

    That was in 1938 ?

    My guess is this show originally aired in the 1990’s ( ? ) and that was near twenty years ago.

    Even so , with a murder that took place in 1938 , it’s pretty much a given that most of the victims family , friends , and colleagues are dead , probably long dead , and such as do remain are probably on life support .

    But that does not seem to be any kind of issue of significance in the drama , even though , presumably , the theme and the script is reflective of a secular world view keenly focused on the here and now.

    As for the victim , well , after such a remove in time it is often not uncommon even in the case of world famous celebrities that no one can even remember of them simple things like , ” What was their favorite color ? ”

    I suppose I’m too much the bitch though in cynically questioning the strength of feeling after such a long interval in time for a victim who was anything but a world famous celebrity ?

    So , nope , that does not seem to be any kind of issue of significance in the drama , even though , presumably , the theme and the script is reflective of a secular world view keenly focused on the here and now.

    Likewise , with a murder that took place in 1938 , it’s pretty much a given that most of the perpetrators family , friends , and colleagues are dead , probably long dead , and such as do remain are probably on life support .

    Yet again , that does not seem to be any kind of issue of significance in the drama , even though , presumably , the theme and the script is reflective of a secular world view keenly focused on the here and now.

    Also , while no doubt police detectives would bitch that they don’t get paid nearly enough , I would bet that it is safe to assume they are not getting paid Burger King wages.

    So , it’s a pretty good bet that the cost of such an investigation is easily going to four figures , or even , easily enough , five figures.

    If ANY problem or hitch arises , six figures is not far – fetched.

    That factor , though , NEVER comes up , not in ANY episode of this show.

    Even at four figures though , that’s a lot of money being spent on people who already got the five figure funeral.

    But , never mind apparently ?

    Well , interestingly , they solve the case and the MURDERER IS FOUND , AND STILL ALIVE !

    BUT , the killer is now in a nursing home.

    i.e. — His days of strolling down to Golden Corral for a juicy steak are over anyway.

    i.e — His days of dialing up a decent – looking Call Girl for an out – call are over anyway.

    More interestingly , the guy is in the latter stages of Alzheimer’s.

    He can only intermittently even remember what he did , and soon enough , won’t remember it at all.

    Never the less , off to the jug he must go.

    I bet the jug will cost more than the nursing home he is in. Anyway you add it up , bars , barbed wire , and armed attendants are pricey.

    But , here again , the capitalists no less than the communists , never seem to factor in price tags.

    Well , finally , this is all NOT presented as tragic comedy , but as another heart -warming example of the ultimate triumph of justice.

    It was fiction , but I rather strongly suspect fiction is never entirely fictional , but reflects real life world views and assumptions.

    And the only thing exceptional about this particular drama was the particular detail.

    Over all though , it was in no way exceptional.

    Whether a Marvel Comics extravaganza , or a ” gritty ” , ” realistic ” piece like , ” NYPD Blue ” ,

    The moral of the story is that swatting flies with howitzers is perfectly reasonable.

    I suppose you’ll say THAT ISN’T RELIGION.

    ( And you’ll think that somehow makes it less fucking irrationally farcical. )

    ” Well, but realize that the Government was purposely fucked up by private interests that infiltrated and took over. ”

    I think that what merely happened was that sadism , and the desire for control , became way too damn cheap.

    ” In a choice between private and public, private will win hands down. ”

    I strongly suspect though that the MORE individualistic one is , the LESS one is going to like the victory of the private.

    • SoftStarLight August 22, 2019 at 9:55 am #

      Very good point. Secular religion is particularly heinous in its compulsion to conformity and the unleashing of severe consequences for the slightest infractions, let alone true crimes. And what an empty religion practiced for the sake of always and only promoting its own expansion of power and scope, in spite of the souls of men. Brilliant!!!!!!!

  114. KesaAnna August 22, 2019 at 3:11 am #

    ” Don’t you love New Zealand? Do you really want a non-White New Zealand? It wouldn’t be New Zealand without the White majority. ”

    As near as I can tell , I’m virtually alone in ever pointing out that what is being compared are countries one – tenth , one – twentieth , one – fiftieth the size of the United States.

    As near as I can tell , I’m virtually alone in thinking that might have any significance.

    ( An aside ; Again , my advice is you should far more beware what foreigners calling themselves your friends say , than foreigners who frankly admit they dislike you. Remember , ” Greeks baring gifts. ” )

    Now , as to White Power and the United States —

    Are you fucking kidding ?

    For 2,000 years the only thing remotely similar to your modern nation – state , and certainly remotely similar to your United States , was the Roman Empire , and China.

    Not at all hopeful examples where White Power is concerned.

    Already by the time of Claudius , that’s only 100 – 200 years into the empire , the commentators are bitching that ETHNIC Rome is past – tense.

    — And that is pretty much just in reference to the Patrician Order , the 2%.

    They frankly admit that middle class or poor ethnic Romans have long since been fucked.

    China ? If memory serves me correct , for the better part of the past 500 years China was ruled by Mongol or Manchurian invaders / foreigners.

    Sure , you have the era of cheap energy , which lasts about 200 years.

    —- Unless Mr. Kunstler is totally full of shit , in which case the big mystery is why anyone but my myself and three or four others are even hanging out here ?

    So , again ; White hegemony AND a large nation – state ?

    Are you fucking kidding ??

    • BackRowHeckler August 22, 2019 at 4:25 am #

      Really?

      As late as 1960 we were 90% of the US population.

      The Great Replacement didn’t begin until 1965, when Ted Kennedy’s immigration act opened up the borders to the 3rd world. I’ve read that he assured congress the act would not alter the racial make up of the country, as “only about 5000 or 6000 immigrants per year would be coning in.”

      Brh

    • SoftStarLight August 22, 2019 at 9:44 am #

      Well I don’t suspect that we would have such a large White only country the size of the United States. I have always imagined that at some point in time what is the map blob of the US will be divided into small regional states most likely organized into ethnic enclaves for the various larger groups that will be competing for domination or at least resources. The Chinese will most likely be part of the equation too since they will probably own the Pacific Northwest. Amazing how they have been so successful all these years. Of course my dream would be that Whites would adopt a sense of collectivity similar to the Muslims in the sense that we would see ourselves as one united people despite the boundaries of nation and language. BUT, one step at a time. Now we simply fight for a corner of the sand box, and the fight is a Holy one.

      • GreenAlba August 22, 2019 at 11:04 am #

        “and the fight is a Holy one.”

        Er, no, it’s just an advanced primate one. Projected on to a big screen.

      • Exscotticus August 22, 2019 at 12:24 pm #

        >>> Amazing how they [the Chinese] have been so successful all these years.

        They’re considered a minority, yet account for over half the world population. China is also undeniably a formalized racist society. Yes they have scores of ethnicities—but all those ethnicities are regional and Asian. And Han makes up over 90%. How many Chinese citizens identify as black? Can you name even one? It is a racially homogenous society and the ruling class keeps it that way.

        Despite all this, the Left hardly lets a day go by without denigrating Trump’s tariffs in support of Chinese hegemony.

  115. BackRowHeckler August 22, 2019 at 3:17 am #

    Coming up

    Climate Change Conference 2019
    NYC, Sept 23, 2019

    Will you be there?

    Brace yourself for a weeklong Hate TrumpFest.

    Greta is sailing in on the King of Monoco’s racing yacht, but most of the esteemed atendees are flyjng in on the customary private 727.

    On the agenda: the Final Solution to halt climate change, liquidate white deplorables driving around America in their pickup trucks. They will be working on the Bolshevik theory that if you eliminate enough human beings — tens of millions if necessary — you can eventually reach a state of climate utopia,

    UN Elites want their world squeaky clean!

    Brh

    • I think the Russians have a job for you during the 2020 election season fronting a fake book group.

      Or they could just copy/paste from this blog.

      Really though, such rhetorical gold should be remunerated. So shame on Putin, in advance.

      • JohnAZ August 22, 2019 at 10:32 am #

        Hmmm!

        Do you think “Shame on Hillary” for doing the crap that the IG and Durham are about to expose them for. The Left lies, cheats as their main modus operandi. Who affected the voters more in 2016, HRC’s ignorance and manipulation or the Russians’ manipulation of voter rolls, if they really did it, or their manipulation of a social media pool that was already dead set against Trump.

        Another thing to consider. In a world of hackers and social media, what exactly does a free election mean? How do we shape an election using the tools we have? You want to keep Russia out of influencing the election, what about N. Korea, China, Iran, heck, Europe, India , you name it. Influencing the way individuals vote is the job of all inputs from all groups. The arrogance of the HRC crew is appalling, Russians my butt. You nominate a bum for president, you lose. I do not believe that the Dems have learned that yet.

        • Free elections mean freedom from manipulation. Secure, instantaneous and auditable. Perot had the right idea.

          The democracy won’t regain credibility until these measures are put in place.

          • JohnAZ August 22, 2019 at 1:26 pm #

            Wait a minute.

            Freedom from manipulation?

            Where do we draw the line?

            Stop Koch, Steyer, Soros, the Rockefeller’s from contributing? That definitely manipulates.

            Stop the PACs from putting propaganda for their side on TV or in social media.

            Stop the candidates from doing research on each other? That was Watergates source, the burglary.

            Stop the hacking of each other’s data bases.

            How do you keep a foreign power, globalist or Nationalist from hacking into our computer systems. Right now, they broke into state voter data bases that helped them set up social media campaigns. What happens when they change the vote count in the future?

            Trying to stop the cyber manipulation is a skill we haven’t figured out yet. Neither side really wants to do it in the first place as both sides benefit from media manipulation. Hillary just tries to use it as an excuse for her own incompetence.

    • SoftStarLight August 22, 2019 at 9:24 am #

      Yes Brh! The final solution the Capitalist Bolsheviks dream of is a perverted cross between The Hunger Games and The Hunt. And despite their own bloodlust and love of violence they are still very comfortable and pathological in their insistence that they are the beacons of love, tolerance, peace and utopian prosperity….for the wealthy and deserving of course (shhhh don’t say it too loud!).

  116. pkrugman August 22, 2019 at 11:22 am #

    “The arrogance of the HRC crew is appalling, Russians my butt. You nominate a bum for president, you lose. I do not believe that the Dems have learned that yet.” — JohnAZ

    Where to begin? Read volume 1 of the Mueller Report. Collaboration with Russians. Impeachable offenses right there in volume one.

    HRC won the popular vote. Trump is an illegitimate president.

    The Dems learned enough to sweep the 2018 midterms. The red wave you predicted was pure fiction. Blue wave was reality.

    The economy is crashing. Trump will not be a candidate on the ballot in 2020.

    • benr August 22, 2019 at 1:07 pm #

      You are VERY confused and have either drank the bong water during civics class or just plain ditched it.
      Everything you have posted here is rubbish bordering on complete fabrication and unreality.

      The popular vote is not what is considered to put someone in the Whitehouse period end of story its all about electoral college!
      DUH despite all the progressive aka Communist talking points de jour.

      The popular vote you speak endlessly of has fraud riddled all over.
      Just in California up to 1.5 million votes cast illegally for the hildabeast by virtue of the motor voter id act! A piece of legislation designed to illegal aliens a drivers license and at the same time register them to vote. They must actually uncheck that box or they get signed up!

      The collaboration with Russia you posted about happened from your flawed and corrupt candidate you know the deplorable HRC and has always been a Democrat problem my entire life!
      The amount of election rigging, dead people voting, illegal aliens voting and the list of just how buggered up the DNC attempts at stealing the election come out people will begin going to jail. The only thing holding up the absolute corruption from everyone’s view is the mainstream media and when it finally begins there will be no putting that genie back in the bottle.

    • JohnAZ August 22, 2019 at 1:41 pm #

      I will bet you spend hours making this crap up.

      Part 1 Said NO Collaboration, period. Part 2is bogus, how can you obstruct a crime that never happened.

      Trump won the electoral college. In this country that means he is the president. Thank God!

      Sweep the election. Hmmm! What happened in the Senate? How about the fact that most of the House races that switched were to moderate Dems. Just because we have four nutty Progressives that hate the United States that get all the media attention, surprise. Their districts are as nutty as they are.

      The economy is crashing? Have another toke, you are hallucinating. And certainly not paying attention.

      Trump not running? Have another toke, you are dreaming.

  117. Republicans will be out of power completely by 2030. The Democrats will be stuck holding the bag for decades, perhaps. But the promise of radical change will be realized either way. Total environmental chaos is coming. Maybe generational warfare on a global scale. If the political economy fractures on generational lines, I have no point of reference.

    Strong thought control policies in the major economies through compulsory education, military service, and media control worked just fine in the old normal. But in the New Normal?

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    • pkrugman August 22, 2019 at 12:05 pm #

      Normal is what happens when a Hoover is president. A generation of Roosevelts follows. Whoever the Republican nominee is (Weld, etc.) will lose in 2020.

      • JohnAZ August 22, 2019 at 1:57 pm #

        Trump will win in a Reaganesque landslide. He may even win in Massachusetts.

    • Bolsonaro says the Amazon fires were started by NGO’s. “This is the war we face.”

      Insane. “The lungs of the Earth” need custodial oversight by a military organization. Only the US has that capability.

      • K-Dog August 22, 2019 at 12:25 pm #

        Bolsonaro would spit in your face and dare you to wipe it off.

      • BackRowHeckler August 23, 2019 at 8:45 am #

        Sweden is deeply concerned about climate change,

        Let the Swedes invoke their ‘feminist foreign policy’ and send in a company of feminist climate troops, engage Brazillian guerilla fighters in jungle warfare.

        Brh

    • Exscotticus August 22, 2019 at 1:14 pm #

      >>> Republicans will be out of power completely by 2030.

      So those Republican SCOTUS judges have already taken their slow-release cyanide capsules set to do the deed on December 31, 2029? Interesting.

      Republicans will still be slugging it out with Dems in 2030 because nobody wants a Venezuelan lifestyle in the USA—not even Venezuelans.

      • JohnAZ August 22, 2019 at 1:56 pm #

        Heck, most of the Venezuelans will be here by then.

        The world leaders have found a good thing, send all the opposition people to the US as asylum seekers. No strain, no pain.

      • Scootus judges aren’t executive or legislative and I doubt they will make any difference either way. After all, they are constrained by precedent in any case and unlike the residential occupants of the other houses, have to reason in public.

        • Exscotticus August 22, 2019 at 4:31 pm #

          >>> After all, they are constrained by precedent

          Are they?

          Remind us, what “precedent” led the SC to sign off on gay marriage again? The Court overruled its prior decision in Baker v. Nelson, which the Sixth Circuit had invoked as precedent.

          Next you’ll be claiming that their decisions are strictly legal and not ideological…

    • JohnAZ August 22, 2019 at 1:42 pm #

      With no thought control, what do you have? Chaos and the stupidification of America.

    • messianicdruid August 22, 2019 at 4:26 pm #

      Trump is the bagholder. He completely owns the economy and its flameout.

      • Yes, it is a flaming bag of turds… the public will hold the bag. However, the democrats will be holding the bag by proxy when they ascend to power in all three branches. Unless Trump wins of course.

      • Exscotticus August 22, 2019 at 6:18 pm #

        Simply not true. Trump has been presiding over a great economy for years now, and Dems have yet to give him any credit whatsoever.

        What you really mean is that you will only acknowledge anything bad and nothing good.

  118. K-Dog August 22, 2019 at 12:07 pm #

    Glow of twilight fills our sky. New illusions take form. Normal is lost in misty shadows where anything goes and everything moves. In the visions of practical men nightmares of fear take form. Ensnaring all in yesterdays normal. A new time has come, now other dreamers must be practical men.

    • BackRowHeckler August 22, 2019 at 3:57 pm #

      Have you been corresponding with Gary Snyder, KDog?

  119. FincaInTheMountains August 22, 2019 at 1:09 pm #

    The following story told by a former mayor of Yekaterinburg, Evgeny Roisman

    https://roizman.livejournal.com/1652237.html

    In terrible Kaunas ghetto, many Jews were murdered.

    In one day, October 28, 1941, about ten thousand people were shot.

    And once, in one day, the Nazis and policemen killed all the children. Children were lured out of the houses by music. Those whom their mothers did not let go, were killed on the spot, right in front of their mothers.

    Then there was calm.

    In 1943, all the ghettos were transferred to the management of SS. And again the executions began.

    One young 30-year-old Jew, naked, standing on the edge of the ditch, fell down with the first sounds of machine guns. He was completely covered with bodies. In horror, he tried to get out, but his hands were caught on the parapet. The policeman, laughing, pierced his hands with a bayonet. And he fell back.

    Until the night he lay in the ditch.

    And the ditch beneath him breathed, moaned and moved. At night he crawled out, got to his feet and wandered into the side of distant lights.

    He came across a farm. Once he climbed over the fence and saw a sheet at the porch on the rope. He threw it over himself, got up and carefully, with pierced hands, began to knock at the door.

    A young woman opened the door.

    He stepped over the threshold, leaned his back on the doorpost and whispered: “Help me…”

    She pursed her lips and said: “Get out of here! If they find you here, they kill me and my children! Get out of where you came from!” He looked at her and said: “Do not drive me away!”

    And now he is standing in front of her, exhausted, with pierced hands, in white and tangled hair all in the blood stuck to his forehead.

    He is silent.

    And she is silent.

    And she shook her head: “Go away!”

    And suddenly a little bright girl ran out from behind the curtain, ran to her, hugged her leg, raised her head and said:

    “Mom, don’t drive him away! This is our God Jesus Christ!”

    They hid him and looked after him.

    Then he went to the resistance. He fought. Participated in the most daring operations. Everyone was surprised that he completely lacked a sense of fear.

    He died at the very end of the war.

    I talked to this girl in 1988 in Kaunas. She was fifty. She was younger than me now. And I listened to her, and I was chilled.

    And I said to her: “Well, yes, of course, a gaunt man, forehead in blood, hands pierced, dressed in white … But then you were small, just such an impression …”

    But she looked up at me, looked calmly and carefully, she shook her head and said:

    “You do not understand. It really was Jesus Christ.”

  120. Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2019 at 1:33 pm #

    JS: The murder of a peaceful people by the Maori Cannibals – whom Madge lauds as peaceful and graceful. If they are so now, it’s because we made them behave. Their crime rate also belies her stated beliefs. But their cousins attained peace so even they have a higher nature so it’s certainly possible – even if unlikely. Mr Bracken draws a parallel between this and what is happening to Europeans today a la the Muslim migration, a parallel that is entirely apt and a valuable warning of their and our peril.

    Maoris, Moors and Migrants

    A history lesson for civilized humans facing an Ork invasion

    by Matthew Bracken

    From ‘Moriori’, by Denise Davis and M?ui Solomon, in Te Ara — the Encyclopedia of New Zealand:

    Hundreds of years ago the Moriori, of the Chatham Islands, took a solemn vow of peace known as Nunuku’s Law. The decision to uphold this sacred law in the face of aggression in 1835 had tragic consequences. They were slaughtered, enslaved, and dispossessed of their lands. The Moriori lived on Chatham Island and Pitt Island, two islands in the Chatham Islands group, about 700 kilometers south-east of Wellington.

    Map of the Chatham Islands
    Nunuku’s Law: Isolated from mainland New Zealand, the Moriori developed a unique culture based on a law of peace. This was called Nunuku’s Law, after the ancestor Nunuku-whenua. After seeing bloody conflict between the Hamata people and later arrivals, he banned murder and the eating of human flesh forever. After 1791, when the British ship Chatham called at R?kohu, Moriori came into contact with Europeans and M?ori who came as crew on sealing and whaling vessels. Some settled on the islands and lived alongside the Moriori. This relative peace was shattered in 1835 when Maoris from two tribes, both from Taranaki, arrived in the Chatham Islands in search of new territories and resources.

    In 1835, 24 generations after the Moriori chief Nunuku had forbidden war, the Moriori welcomed about 900 people from the two M?ori tribes. Originally from Taranaki on New Zealand’s North Island, they had voyaged from Wellington on an overcrowded European vessel, the Rodney. They arrived severely weakened, but were nursed back to health by their Moriori hosts. However, they soon revealed hostile intentions and embarked on a reign of terror.

    Maori musket warriors
    Stunned, the Moriori called a council of 1,000 men at Te Awap?tiki to debate their response. The younger men were keen to repel the invaders, and argued that even though they had not fought for many centuries, they outnumbered the newcomers two-to-one and were a strong people. But the elders argued that Nunuku’s Law was a sacred covenant with their gods and could not be broken. The consequences for Moriori were devastating.

    Although the total number of Moriori first slaughtered was said to be around 300, hundreds more were enslaved and later died. Some were killed by their captors. Others, horrified by the desecration of their beliefs, died of ‘kongenge’ or despair [often suicide by leaping from cliffs]. According to records made by their elders, 1,561 Moriori died between 1835 and 1863, when they were released from slavery. Many succumbed to diseases introduced by Europeans, but large numbers died at the hands of the Maoris. In 1862 only 101 remained. When the last known full-blooded Moriori died in 1933, many thought this marked the extinction of a race.

    Surviving Morioris, 1877

    The Maori and the Chatham Islanders

    On Chatham Island, 800 kilometers east of New Zealand, lived the Moriori, who were related to the Maori. They were hunters and gatherers, sparse in population and, perhaps because they were few in number and isolated, they were unpracticed at warfare. In late 1835 about 900 Maori from New Zealand landed on Chatham Island. The Maori were armed with guns, clubs and axes. They announced to the Moriori that they were their slaves. Moriori chiefs conferred with each other and drew from their religious heritage. [Nunuku’s Law.] They offered the Maori friendship and a share of the island’s resources. The attempt to appease the Maori failed. The Maori began killing the Moriori, including women and children. The Maori put people in pens and feasted on the tender meat of Moriori children. A Maori conqueror described it:

    We took possession, in accordance with our customs and we caught all the people. Not one escaped. Some ran away from us. These we killed, and others we killed – but what of that? It was in accordance with our custom.

    Maori warriors
    The lesson of Chatham Island is that people who live in comfortable circumstances for enough generations to forget the horrors of anarchy and total war, will often let down their guard to a fatal degree. The examples I will compare are Chatham Island in 1835, the Island of Plenty from my Alienork Way allegory, and Europe today. It is my observation that, in a well-calculated series of defined steps and expected responses, alien Orks (taken from “The Alienork Way”) can overcome and subdue even an outwardly more affluent, powerful and successful society.

    By the time the native people on Chatham Island (or on The Island of Plenty, or in Europe today) realize what mortal peril they are in, they have let in so many vicious Orks that the invaders automatically present a grave threat to the native population at large. I would point to the widespread sex attacks in Cologne and across Europe on New Year’s Eve, as just one recent example of the threat posed by the Orks.

    Maori warriorAt the early and emerging point of danger in my Alienork allegory, the Orks can still be confronted, but the will of the public officials cannot be raised sufficiently high for them to order their forcible ejection. Politicians are natural delayers and compromisers, and the invading Orks exploit both weaknesses. When the peaceful islanders realize that three more young Ork males have arrived without asking permission, the islanders accept their presence as a fait accompli. The Orks simply show up, declare themselves to be refugees, and demand to be fed, parasites cynically exploiting the islanders’ own laws concerning the sharing of their bounty with anyone who has a need.

    At that juncture, the Ork elder Amok and his three “nephews” could still have been defeated by the peaceful islanders, but only with an acceptance of the fact that doing battle would incur injuries and even deaths on both sides. But in the story of The Alienork Way, after the next moon, thirty more armed male Orks have arrived unbidden, and they are not long in giving the orders to the native islanders. Their code, defined as The Alienork Way, is enforced at sword point. The least sign of defiance or resistance is answered with beheadings and the taking of native women. Thus the larger and more affluent and outwardly more successful society of peaceful islanders can be subdued and enslaved by a smaller number of savagely vicious Ork invaders via a carefully plotted series of incremental steps.

    Europe is now at the point in The Alienork Way when everybody agrees that the three “nephews” of Amok are a serious problem, and it looks like at least thirty more armed male Orks are on the way. With each fresh arrival of refugee “reinforcements,” local defensive measures will require even greater levels of violence to be successful. The difficult decision to forcibly eject the invaders is continually delayed. The “peaceful islanders,” today being played by the Europeans, keep putting off the inevitable, as thousands and thousands of male Orks arrive every day from the failed states comprising Orkistan.

    Today, the European secular religion of Multiculturalism acts like Nunuku’s Law did on Chatham Island in 1835, disallowing a realistic appraisal of different cultures, and forbidding the adequate defense of Europe until it’s too late. The European version of Nunuku’s Law also prohibits ordinary citizens from owning suitable means of self-defense in the form of personally owned firearms, rendering them virtually helpless against Ork attacks.

    At this writing in January of 2016, anyone who speaks of mass deportations of the Orks from Europe simply cannot be taken seriously. It’s far too late for that. Just watch the January 24 videos of the Calais migrant mobs sending the French police running in disorder. Multiply that street riot by a thousand when migrant violence breaks out simultaneously in dozens of Europeans cities in the form of a mass “Ork Rising.”

    To see another infamous Ork Rising, you could watch the many security camera videos taken on New Year’s Eve in Cologne, directly in front of the train station and cathedral, but the German police erased all of them. Just like on Chatham Island, it’s much easier to ignore painful reality than it is to effectively confront it. Keep in mind that New Year’s Eve was only a warm-up and a pep rally for the Great Jihad of 2016. [Tet, Take Two] Like hive insects exuding chemical pheromone attack signals, these preparatory Ork Risings act as mass social signals, reinforcing the common Ork feeling of their own invincibility when massed in groups, as well as the complete inadequacy and inability of their European prey to stop them.

    Now please imagine flash-mobs of hundreds or even thousands of male Orks, even if they are initially armed only with iron bars and knives. Each mob action seen on television sparks an even greater street turnout among the Orks as the wireless pheromone signals are transmitted among the collective Ork hive-mind. Jean Raspail wrote of this dynamic in The Camp of the Saints, and he asked: When will the European leaders give the order to open fire in defense of their culture? The answer is: Never. And Europe is overrun by savages.

    Like Nunuku’s Law on Chatham Island, the Law of Multi-Kulti-Über-Alles will spell Europe’s doom.

    My guess is that Europe will be lost to the Ork invaders, or at the very least, Europe will suffer a prolonged civil war on the measure of Lebanon, the Balkans and Syria at the height of those wars. Some cities will look like Sarajevo or Grozny in their very worst moments before this is all sorted out — that is, if the Orks are going to be defeated. The Moors invaded Spain in 711 and controlled the entire Iberian Peninsula by 788. It then took 700 years, (let that sink in, seven hundred years), for the Spanish Reconquista to eject the Moors from Iberia. And the Spanish did it under the banner of the Christian cross, which was then a socially potent European rallying symbol.

    Today, secular and virtually atheist Europeans will not have that rallying banner out in front to unite them in a common cause and to spur their desire for Reconquista. The Europeans will lose badly when modern Middle-Eastern urban warfare tactics are employed against them with increasing frequency. These tactics will include car bombs, human bombs, IEDs, random sniper and even knife attacks, with some Mumbai, Beslan or Paris attacks thrown in.

    Even today, very few Europeans have any idea of the total [excrement]-storm directly ahead of them. In this type of vicious war, the Orks will exploit even temporary tactical victories to maximize the immediate slaughter. For example: If a squad of Orks takes over an office building for even a few hours, they will kill every male prisoner out of hand. (Sometimes giving quarter to those among the captured who can recite the Shahada prayer in Arabic.) Then they will rape the women, even if they have only a few hours left to live. By doing so, they are gloriously living out their sick fantasy of holy jihad. If they die, they are vaulted straight into their promised perpetual orgy with seventy-two virgins in Ork heaven. If they survive, they will attack again and again, until they are put down like rabid hyenas.

    When these types of attacks become a weekly or a daily event, and when even the life-saving first responders are massacred with delayed-action bombs, will the first responders stop responding? The police and the military will suffer high attrition, and personnel burnout will come fast. Who will respond to bomb scenes when another bomb might go off in fifteen minutes or two hours?

    I am only relating the standard tactics now in use across the Middle East, the home of many of Europe’s so-called “refugees”.

    The absence of rapid police or military response means that every European in any type of structure must be ready for local self-defense without expecting outside help or rescue. Europeans in isolated buildings and homes will be susceptible to what may be thought of as savage Comanche Indian raids launched anytime, anywhere, against anybody. Consider that a typical encounter will consist of ten Orks armed with (at least) knives and iron bars attempting to force a home invasion against a barricaded French or German family. Can the family keep them out? Even if they can, for a while, what about follow-up arson attacks, such as the one used against the Benghazi consulate’s “safe room?”.

    This dreadfully unhappy picture is Europe’s future, due to the unbelievably misguided European policy of inviting millions of savage and barbaric Orks to live among them. History will regard the once-avoidable Great Jihad of 2016 as the predictable result of one of the most colossally stupid series of decisions ever taken by any group of leaders, anywhere, ever. At least the peaceful Chatham Islanders did not actively seek to invite the bloodthirsty Maoris to invade their homeland. Today’s European political leaders have invited this great catastrophe upon their own people. History will not forgive them for launching the unnecessary slaughter that lies ahead for Europe.

    • JohnAZ August 22, 2019 at 1:50 pm #

      The Orcs you refer to are real. Their spiritual leader told them to never stop until they have converted the world. The jihad has won a huge battle by getting their hooks into Europe. And just like here, they were invited in. The really dumb people are the ones that think they are the good guys and are letting the Orcs in, they will be the first crucified, or beheaded.

      • FincaInTheMountains August 22, 2019 at 3:21 pm #

        With all due respect, John, but the Epstein’s case put a huge bold triple question mark next to the concept “Western Civilization”.

        Apparently, the entire US Justice system was unable to handle a single most important in the case prisoner, and suggest the entire thinking world to deal with another 50 years of JFK-like conspiracy theories.

        So, who are the Orcs here, really?

        • BackRowHeckler August 22, 2019 at 6:43 pm #

          I don’t think so, Finca. Epstein is already fading from the news and he’s only been gone a few weeks. Its all over but the lawsuits IMHO, and those will be quietly settled out of court.

          Brh

    • malthuss August 22, 2019 at 3:19 pm #

      Where do you get ‘all this?”
      And how do you have time to study it?

    • Majella August 22, 2019 at 3:54 pm #

      Janos: you appear to be condemning the ‘conquerer nature’ of the Maori who saw an opportunity and acted upon it. I thought this was laudable behaviour in your eyes, judging by how dismissive you are if the plight of the native peoples of North America, or are you just a hypocrite when it’s convenient?

      Keypoint in the relationship between Maori & Pakeha in modern New Zealand – the Maori were never defeated in war with the British. The Treaty was signed guaranteeing certain rights & privileges – ‘kawanatanga’ and ‘rangatiratanga’ being central principles. They were of course later royally screwed by the ‘invading’ settlers and the government left them to languish, with the population falling dramatically over the subsequent century or so.

      But they survived and eventually were resurgent, and now have undergone a renaissance. The culture if Aotearoa New Zealand is imbued, steeped in Maoritanga, and it is now a unique and recognisable culture. What’s your culture?

      • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2019 at 4:16 pm #

        In other words, you don’t deny they were savage oppressors who ate their enemies? Thank you for that much at least.

        Yes, Whites were conquerors too. Where did you get the idea that I was hiding that? There would be no America or New Zealand but for White Conquest. We didn’t eat people, at least not lately. No doubt long ago we did some of that.

        Paheka? Whites? A pejorative no doubt. We signed treaties with the Indians here too. They had to sign after we had defeated them. No doubt much the same there as well.

        College degrees help people like you to think you have a lot of understanding. Your faith is yourself is quite unfounded, obviously.

        The Maoris told the English to leave their graves alone. But that they could do whatever they wanted to the graves of Red Haired Giants whom they had supplanted.

        Btw, I admit they were very good fighters. Their Elite Caste are big boys indeed. Strange how you admire that in them but can’t stand it in us. Or are you part Maori and identify with that despite your blue eyes and fair skin? We have that crap over here too. So common. Human, all too human…..

      • Majella August 22, 2019 at 8:25 pm #

        Janos:

        No, I never denied the Maori warlike nature – why would I?

        “Pakeha” means stranger and itis Pakeha who have adopted it to identify as people of Aotearoa New Zealand. Jokingly, we can also use “Ngati Whiti” (ngati being the word for a tribe).

        No, they were not defeated by the British Army. The Treaty was signed in 1840, but the military action (The Taranaki Land Wars) occurred decades later (1860-1863). My great grandfather was in a militia that fought skirmishes there. He was taken prisoner in fact (and NOT eaten – that practice ceased once the missionaries got some sway in the early years).

        Yes, the US government signed ‘treaties’ that subjugated whole peoples and then simply ignored their obligations under them. “White man speaks with forked tongue” is universally recognized as an indictment of that practice and what should be a source of continuing shame to Americans, but of course isn’t. I recall your protege SSL being snarlingly nasty about ‘Indian Casinos’ which require ‘White money’. What a myopic understanding of the reality of the situation – but there’s no point in going into that here.

        Sorry to hear your education is limited, Janos. College might have given you some insight into actual real-life reality.

        The Red-Haired Giants of which you speak are mythical:

        “In the case of the Maori, you’re talking about the Patupaiarehe, which is often compared to the elves of Germanic lore (think Tolkien). They can be tall, but aren’t really giants. Their size is often emphasized in discussions for European and colonial audiences who hear “fairies” and “elves” and often think of the tiny people who help Santa make his toys. Their hair color is described as uru-kehu, which James Cowan in “The Patu-Paiarehe: Notes on Maori Folk-tales of the Fairy People” translated as “the dull golden or reddish hue […] such as is sometimes seen among the Maoris of to-day [1920s].” It’s not red hair as Europeans and their colonial offshoots would think of it. As for whether the New Zealand government is impounding / destroying archaeological evidence of the Patupaiarehe, you’d need some serious evidence to back up those claims. After all, how seriously would you take the claims that the Irish government is covering up evidence of the Tuatha de Danann or the Greek government was hiding cyclops skeletons?”

        https://www.reddit.com/r/history/comments/4fr27e/new_zealands_redhaired_gaints/

        What “Elite Caste”? The Maori have rangatira (chiefs) and they’re pretty much elected by popular support among the governed. That is, if your father was a rangatira and you, as the oldest son, were not held in high enough esteem (mana), you wouldn’t get to succeed him. The tangata toa (warriors) were the fittest young men, and I guess are now best illustrated by the national Maori rugby team.

        And, no, I’m not aware of any Maori blood in my green-eyed brunette (now more gray than anything else) self. It’s not necessary to have Maori blood in order to be a Kiwi and to have empathy with Maoritanga.

        You’re just so extraordinarily, mind-numbingly ignorant on this topic, Janos, so I’m extrapolating you’re probably just as ignorant on many of the other topics on which you spout forth with so much cut&paste erudition.

      • Exscotticus August 22, 2019 at 9:33 pm #

        >>> What’s your culture?

        What culture would you permit whites to have? NONE WHATSOEVER.

        • Majella August 22, 2019 at 11:14 pm #

          Your culture is whatever you define it as…not for ME to say.

          Mine in ‘Kiwi’ and my turangawaewae is a rocky headland on Katiki beach, about 80kms north of Otepoti, Otakou, on Te Wai Pounamu, Aotearoa New Zealand.

          • Majella August 22, 2019 at 11:18 pm #

            My Maunga is Kapukataumahaka and my Awa is Waitaki.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2019 at 11:37 pm #

            In other words, Maori (Non-White) good and English (White) bad. You are utterly grotesque. You should make yourself available to the Chief as a slave – in reparation for what your ancestors did to his. Instead you enjoy the fruit of the conquest and talk shit about those to whom you owe everything. The Chief does the same.

        • Majella August 23, 2019 at 11:59 am #

          Janis

          You & your little friend SSL, have a real ‘tell’ when you’re just twisting words & making shit up. You inevitably preface it with ‘in other words’.

          • Majella August 23, 2019 at 12:07 pm #

            What’s particularly amusing here – but not surprising – is your sudden compassion for Maori!

            It’s rich considering your clearly & regularly stated views approving the treatment of the First People of North America, as what they deserved…but then, of course, hypocrisy is your stock in trade.

    • Great story, perhaps in chapter II Jesus will get in a fistfight with Hilary.

      • Exscotticus August 22, 2019 at 6:38 pm #

        In chapter II, Jesus reveals a tax increase, from one tithe to three for those making a million or more. Dems rejoice and come back into the fold.

    • SoftStarLight August 23, 2019 at 2:10 am #

      Its difficult to see how this betrayal is forgivable. The war is already here. Illegal invaders are highly overrepresented in America’s prison populations. Illegal invaders know exactly how to use every possible aspect of the system as they are typically given all that information by NGOs, lawyers, etc. Many citizens in these groups profit off of the invasion as thousands of Americans are killed, maimed, or raped. And literally politicians refuse to meet with victims families. This is the price of secularism and multiculturalism. And many many more bills will be coming due very soon and we are all out of credit.

  121. messianicdruid August 22, 2019 at 4:35 pm #

    “What happens when they change the vote count in the future?
    Trying to stop the cyber manipulation is a skill we haven’t figured out yet.”

    Paper ballots. We figured it out long ago.

    • JohnAZ August 22, 2019 at 5:29 pm #

      You are so right. Ten years ago, the internet salesmen sold us that the future of data storage was going to be the cloud, that we were going to go paperless and cashless. Just use your cards.

      The reality is if you put something on line or work it on your PC, you better figure that it is open to the public. If you put it in the cloud, figure it is public knowledge eventually.

      Confidential information will need to go back to paper. The Hi tech snobs will fight it, but a few lawsuits over confidential materials will stop it.

      There is no cure for cyber insecurity, someone will eventually hack into it. Maybe when Target gets hacked enough, they will stop putting customer information on their data base, or Capital One. Yes, the facilitators will be clobbered by their users.

      Seriously, I wonder with all the cyber problems if the computer has actually saved us any money in the workplace.

  122. The arc of technology is long and curves upward.

    We’re in a sweet spot.

    Everyone in the world that matters is completely transparent to any number of state actors, private companies, or other entities.

    So how do we know what’s real?

    Start your free 10-day trial at nytimes.com

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    • BackRowHeckler August 22, 2019 at 6:02 pm #

      I bought a copy Sunday. $6, a little steep if you ask me.

      Was eager to get a first look at the ‘1619 Project.’

      Phew, that’s journalism of the highest order, down and dirty reporters hitting the gritty streets of the Bronx and Brooklyn, digging for stories, digging for the truth.

      Are there any reporters at the NYTs anymore, Snacks? I see a lot of agit/prop and racial provocation, and cheerleading for this or that sexual deviancy. The NYT might be the last newspaper to go down, but it will go down.

      I do admire the adroit way they pivoted from ‘Trump is a Russian Agent’, to ‘Trump is a white supremacist’ tho. The suddeness of it takes your breath away.

      Brh

      • Exscotticus August 22, 2019 at 6:27 pm #

        >>> I do admire the adroit way they pivoted from ‘Trump is a Russian Agent’, to ‘Trump is a white supremacist’ tho.

        They’re also dabbling with “Trump the Antisemite”. But it’s a hard sell given that Israel has named streets after him.

      • Well, I told you to get a subscription.

        Buying a single issue is doubling down on the quality of a particular issue…

        Go for a subscription and its like having 52 bullets in the chamber. $1,040 for home delivery all year.

        One of them will blow you away in your game of intellectual roulette.

        Or… will you survive and in fact earn greater returns?

        The New York Times. Inventing the things you think about after they thought of them.

        (c) nytimes.com

        • Exscotticus August 22, 2019 at 9:31 pm #

          >>> Go for a subscription and its like having 52 bullets in the chamber.

          LOL! A NYT shill using a gun analogy!

  123. This is interesting new research, check it out. https://phys.org/news/2019-07-tree-stump-dead-alive.html

    The genetic reality is that we are all just part of a larger organism. The q

  124. uestion is, whose roots are you feeding? And whose roots feed you?

    • SoftStarLight August 23, 2019 at 1:17 am #

      Perhaps science is finally almost coming to the realization that indeed the forests are the home of the dryads. Some are thousands of years old and indeed some dryads are not simply the spirit of single trees but rather groves. Maybe one day the scientists will also come to know that the rocks and mountains even praise God. They make a joyful noise to Him that we can’t hear. They praise Him even as humans curse and defile Him.

      • Majella August 24, 2019 at 10:07 am #

        “Even the rocks and stones shall start to sing”… lol…

  125. “The wheel of time rolls forward, never retracing its path, but because it is a wheel, and we are riding in it, a persistent illusion persuades us that the landscape is recognizably the same, and that our doings within the regular turning of the seasons seem comfortably normal.”

    Speaking of The Wheel Of Time, Robert Jordan’s High Fantasy series is now in production as the next Game of Thrones.

  126. FincaInTheMountains August 22, 2019 at 8:04 pm #

    From what I managed to dig out from Russian and American Net, the 9M730 Burevestnik (NATO reporting name: SSC-X-9 Skyfall) nuclear-powered, nuclear armed cruise missile recently exploded over the White Sea, just outside the Arctic Circle, is not powered by a conventional nuclear reactor, but by radioactive isotope element with extremely short half-life – probably less than 12 hours.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-life

    During that time, half of the entire mass of the isotope material is transferred into energy, which heats up the incoming air flow, drastically increasing its pressure and throws heated air out of the missile nozzle creating propulsion.

    Apparently the breakthrough that the Russian scientists came up with is actually such radioactive isotope capable of packing enough energy in a small mass sufficient to give a missile an unlimited range.

    Such missile requires a conventional acceleration jet engine to bring it up to speed where the isotope-powered marching engine could kick in.

    Such missiles with hard fuel acceleration jet engine have already been successfully tested, now they are testing the liquid fuel acceleration engine, which actually exploded in recent test over the White Sea – personally, I think is a continuation of series of sabotages organized by American “intelligence community” which is still dominated by the pedophile sect.

  127. FincaInTheMountains August 22, 2019 at 8:31 pm #

    Remind us, what “precedent” led the SC to sign off on gay marriage again? == Exscotticus

    The real challenge will be the gay wedding ceremony performed in a Christian church, because after such ceremony you could safely burn the church to the ground and rebuild it in a new place.

    It really has nothing to do with the gays – actually most of the gays are against it, sensing that Hillary is just using them as a canon fodder in her anti-Christian quest.

    If Bible would prohibit having aquariums in the churches; Hillary would request every church to have one right in the middle of altar.

    The termination of the non-profit status would break church financially due to inability to cope with real-estate taxes and finally drive Christianity in America underground, the Texas Waco style.

    They have already quietly passed corresponding bill in the House.

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    • Majella August 22, 2019 at 9:13 pm #

      Huh?

      Do you seriously believe that HRC is still ‘in charge’ in any way, shape or form?

      You and Trump – you just can’t let it go, can you…

      • FincaInTheMountains August 22, 2019 at 9:24 pm #

        Who do you think ran the Mueller’s commission?

        • Majella August 22, 2019 at 10:09 pm #

          Oh, I don’t know…the Justice Dept? Rod Rosenstein? Do you have proof to the contrary, or is it still just your febrile imagination working overtime?

  128. Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2019 at 9:08 pm #

    This was the reading today at Mass. So cool. I’m amazed that they left something like this in. Our God is a God of anger and vengeance. But if we supplicate Him sincerely and follow His Word, he will deliver our enemies into our hands, be they Muslim or Maori. But the price may be high…..

    Judges 29:

    Then the Spirit of the Lord came on Jephthah. He crossed Gilead and Manasseh, passed through Mizpah of Gilead, and from there he advanced against the Ammonites. 30 And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord: “If you give the Ammonites into my hands, 31 whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the Lord’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.”

    32 Then Jephthah went over to fight the Ammonites, and the Lord gave them into his hands. 33 He devastated twenty towns from Aroer to the vicinity of Minnith, as far as Abel Keramim. Thus Israel subdued Ammon.

    34 When Jephthah returned to his home in Mizpah, who should come out to meet him but his daughter, dancing to the sound of timbrels! She was an only child. Except for her he had neither son nor daughter. 35 When he saw her, he tore his clothes and cried, “Oh no, my daughter! You have brought me down and I am devastated. I have made a vow to the Lord that I cannot break.”

    36 “My father,” she replied, “you have given your word to the Lord. Do to me just as you promised, now that the Lord has avenged you of your enemies, the Ammonites. 37 But grant me this one request,” she said. “Give me two months to roam the hills and weep with my friends, because I will never marry.”

    38 “You may go,” he said. And he let her go for two months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never marry. 39 After the two months, she returned to her father, and he did to her as he had vowed. And she was a virgin.

    From this comes the Israelite tradition 40 that each year the young women of Israel go out for four days to commemorate the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite.

    • Hiding in the confessional again Janos?

    • Majella August 22, 2019 at 10:16 pm #

      Fabulist BS. Where’s the ‘so cool’ part of it? A God of Anger & Vengeance indeed. A psychopathic construct for you to identify with and use as a beard.

      I prefer P K Dick’s view of your ‘God of Anger & Vengeance, as expressed in The Divine Invasion:

      “The Divine Invasion is 1981 science fantasy novel by American writer Philip K. Dick. It is the second book in the gnostic VALIS trilogy, and takes place in the indeterminate future…

      After the fall of Masada in 74 A. D., God, or “Yah”, is exiled from Earth and forced to take refuge in the CY30-CY30B star system. Although people of Earth are meanwhile ruled by Belial, the fallen Morning Star who serves as Yah’s principal Adversary, Yah is intent on reclaiming his creation.”

      It’s also a made-up story so just as valid.

      • And more interesting frankly. PK Dick was the kind of American that is made not born. Each of his prognostications became, in their own way, more true as time went on, bending reality toward his vision.

        Of course that is an illusion. Life merely imitates art.

      • SoftStarLight August 23, 2019 at 12:57 am #

        It’s very interesting how it seems you may have missed the full story or perhaps that is because your biases guided you only to focus on the anger and vengeance aspect. It’s interesting how people perceive things so differently. I saw the words anger and vengeance but what I perceived was a message of how important national and racial pride, commitment, loyalty, obedience and sacrifice are. It’s sad that you characterize such a story that was handed down to us by our ancestors as a psychopathic construct. Excuse me for thinking that if this were a Maori tale it would not only be completely acceptable to you but you would likely find it relevant and noteworthy.

        • Elrond Hubbard August 23, 2019 at 10:16 am #

          SoftStarLight, there’s an episode of Taxi where Latka commits adultery with someone he knows from work. So, to balance the books, his family’s priest decrees that his wife Simka must also commit adultery with someone Latka knows from work. Rather than have Simka choose who, they agree to a lottery. They will invite all Latka’s co-workers over for dinner, and unknown to the guests, whoever arrives last will be the one Simka must have sex with.

          It ends up being Alex. Because she takes her religion just as seriously as Jephthah did, for the sake of her marriage she propositions Alex. Unlike Jephthah, whose blind vow to kill did not require the victim’s cooperation (though he was pretty nice about it, all things considered), Simka’s vow did require cooperation, which Alex refuses. As a result, Latka and Simka must perform the divorce ritual, and everyone is sad. When Reverend Jim asks why they can’t just go get married again, everyone shushes him because of course that’s not appropriate. Except Latka and Simka don’t care, and the overjoyed couple vow to “try to make it work this time”.

          I call that a happy ending. There’s certainly more good sense in Rev. Jim’s simple question than in this lunatic episode from a holy book.

        • Majella August 23, 2019 at 12:13 pm #

          SSL – not MY ‘ancestor’s tale’ and, no, if it were Maori (and I’m familiar – as are most Kiwis – with a great deal of the mythology, I’d put just as much credence in it – i.e. Nil

    • Tate August 23, 2019 at 2:11 am #

      Jephthah was an idiot to make that vow. Or was he? Value given for value received. After all, there was a chance it would be his pet goat that came out the door to meet him.

      • messianicdruid August 23, 2019 at 9:52 am #

        It is simply a hard lesson about presumptious sins. Being bound by an oath which you have made out of complete ignorance.

        Do not swear. Instead of making boasts about what you will do, find out what you can do to further the Kingdom of God, which is a form of government, not a [ man-made ] religion, based on very limited understandings of reality.

  129. Today’s Letter to the Editor published in the New York Times: The late C. Scaife May’s foundation spokesperson details

    America has a current population of 329,000,000 people and can expect to grow an additional 117 million in just 40 years under the current rate of expansion. If foreign-born were excluded from that figure, just 8 million additional people would come from native births. Right now 13.7% of the population is foreign-born. With migration wide open, that proportion will rise significantly over 40 years.

    This year Egypt and Russia dominated the via lottery category, each taking almost half. This is precisely what you’d expect. Middling income striver countries with lots of dirty money are over-represented.

    Real “diversity” would mean some refinement of the rules to get more truly strange species of Wild world person. Like a sufi madman from India, or a smelly drunk from Vladivostok. Or beautiful women- there is an acute shortage everywhere.

    I say keep the lottery. Just ban everything else.

    It’s time to pull the plug on Ted Kennedy’s Toxic legacy.

    • * Apology for the characterization of Egypt as a “striver”, it was an oversight.

      All I can say about Egypt is the lottery winners will be amazed at the variety of bread available and the absolute lack of people standing in a line to receive it.

    • SoftStarLight August 23, 2019 at 12:15 am #

      I’m at least glad that you believe it is a toxic legacy. I would say depraved but I guess it’s all the same really. But I really am hoping you’ll be ready to disavow the gambling too. If you are ready to mobilize the military for a climate change conflict, or ready to deploy morality police for the same then surely you would want to turn that spigot off completely. All immigration. There is no turning back to the way it used to be. The environmental impact of 117 million new people versus 8 million? A total ban is simply necessary.

    • Tate August 23, 2019 at 2:13 am #

      Okay if the lottery was restricted to beautiful girls. Say at least a 9+. We shouldn’t be giving away citizenship that cheap.

  130. Remember when sugar came around? Before the icebox.

    Yeah, that was the best

    • We eat 75 pounds of it on average every year.

      Imagine being able to buy a sack of sugar that made everything taste better.

      • Now imagine living in a world where it wasn’t put in the all the food in the market

        That is the World Made By Hand.

        A magical land where people lose enormous amounts of weight. Psychiatric disorders clear. Rage and anger melt away. The fog of depression lifts. Sleep once again becomes the cure for exhaustion.

        Hope you fossil-fueled losers sleep tight with your arms around your exhaust pipes. Tomorrow’s coming and its going to cost $25 dollars a gallon for unleaded. It won’t pencil out and you’ll be stuck with your kid’s scooter and whatever is available in a 2 mile radius.

        • BackRowHeckler August 23, 2019 at 8:27 am #

          Wars have been fought over sugar. Why do you think Cromwell sent his redcoats to Jamaica in 1655 to wrest the island from Spain? Sugar! Europe couldn’t get enough of it, even tho in that early day it was recognized sugar caused tooth decay.

          A soldier who became Henry Morgan, Pirate King, was on the Puritan invasion force as a lowly private.

          Snacks, are we to assume you fastidously avoid sugar, and don’t drive a car? You are a Climate ‘Saint’, my friend.

          Brh

        • GreenAlba August 23, 2019 at 8:34 am #

          “Psychiatric disorders clear. Rage and anger melt away. The fog of depression lifts.”

          Wasn’t there a nearby high bridge over the river which was favoured as a suicide spot for those who couldn’t cope?

          • GreenAlba August 23, 2019 at 8:36 am #

            Didn’t Brittney sit beside it after her daughter died of sepsis from a nail or something? It’s not all good.

          • Majella August 23, 2019 at 12:19 pm #

            GA – that incident was Situational Depression, a recognised and temporary condition, usually overcome…

  131. BackRowHeckler August 23, 2019 at 7:50 am #

    Senator Sanders released details of his proposed $16.5 Trillion Climate Change plan. It seems to be a scheme to transform the US a Marxist Utopia, with the words ‘Climate Change’ attached to make it more palatable to voters.

    I ask, as long as we’re indulging in fantasies, why only $16.5 trillion? Why not $100 trillion, or a quadrillion? Sanders meglamania here is impressive. And look for other Dem candidates to come up with even better superlatives to top Sanders plan.

    Brh

    • FincaInTheMountains August 23, 2019 at 8:23 am #

      Rumor has it Bernie was threatened to take his nephews to the pedo-Island so that the pedophiles could have their way with them hard, like they do with girls from Russia.

      Poor Bernie.

  132. pkrugman August 23, 2019 at 10:48 am #

    “Trump will win in a Reaganesque landslide. He may even win in Massachusetts.” — JohnAZ

    JohnAZ, a landslide will be difficult given Trump’s anti-semitism, sedition, and misogyny. Trump does not represent Republicans.

    As a result Republicans have left the party in droves since the election, favoring a Democratic victory.

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