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Of course, the newspaper USA Today chose transgender activist Leigh Finke for its Women of the Year award because in the USA of the here-and-now (today, for instance), boundaries are a thing of the past, and if a woman of the year happens to come with the “package” that signifies male-of-the-species, you’d better ignore that incongruity and go along with the gag — or prepare for the punishments that will rain down until your morale improves.
The transgender movement has crystalized into the Party of Chaos’s favored instrument for enforcing its ethos of unreality on a population obdurately stuck on thinking in categories, on making hateful distinctions between things. Better to live in a protective miasma of undifferentiated sensation than a cruel state based on pattern recognition where one is incessantly prompted to understand how objects and life-forms around us differ, where things begin and end, and what all that means relative to your own supposed amorphous existence.
Mattias Desmet, Belgian author of the 2022 book, The Psychology of Totalitarianism, proposed that a political faction subject to “mass formation psychosis” — the group hysteria that sets the scene for tyranny — would demand that the public swallow a cavalcade of increasingly absurd ideas in order to soften up their brains, so as to make it easier for leaders (influencers) to push them in any desired direction. I would propose that we have probably achieved peak brain-softening in this land.
The only thing left to challenge is the distinction between being alive or dead, which is exactly what you would get in Zombieland, a place that the Party of Chaos (and its mentors in the World Economic Forum) long to take you to, where you will have nothing and be happy! And never think a hateful thought, or any thought not pre-cooked for you and served up by The Party like so much dim sum. Choose that or it’s the nothingness and bliss of the grave. It’s all the same to the Party leaders. Voila: the totalitarian nirvana!
Folks are beginning to grok how all this works after a years-long epic mind-fuck by the increasingly malevolent permanent bureaucracy running a nation on the glide-path to destruction. Not a few people around America still-capable of independent thought are less than avid for liquidation. And certainly not willing to be absorbed into the amoeba-like blob of redundant, undifferentiated protoplasm that a totalitized population must be in the end-state of political Wokery.
Now, in the spring of ’23, Woke is suddenly mutating into a general wake-up call. The animals are stirring from their long sleep of compliance as ruin stalks the land. The season of concentrating the mind is here. When it becomes a matter of sink-or-swim, people once again remember the difference between being dead or alive. The test is on.
Expect three evolving dynamics to define our country’s zeitgeist in the stirring months to come. First, the collapse of our lunatic project for using Ukraine to destabilize Russia, an enterprise so feckless it could have only been conceived by the dead-of-brain. Our geniuses of foreign affairs screwed the pooch on this one. It’s almost too obvious that they never cared about the people of that sore-beset land. Notice, they do not even use the word “peace” in any of their confabulations about what’s going on there, because it is the opposite of what they seek, which is…chaos unending.
Thus, others will end this vainglorious project for us — namely, our antagonist there, Russia — and the regime of “Joe Biden,” for the second time in its mortifying two years-plus of rule, will be left holding its limp, generative member in its collective hand, another humiliation for our over-reaching imperial soldiery — and the deluded empty suits commanding it. Will they be able to pretend this time, as they did in Afghanistan, 2021, that there’s nothing to see here, folks? Just a blizzard of press-releases declaring “mission accomplished” or some-such other craven bullshit? I don’t think so. The reaction may be enough to bum-rush “Joe Biden” and Company out of office. His grotesque family rackets (including the Ukraine grifts) will finally and magically come to the public’s attention, and that’ll be all she wrote for “JB”— except for the historians waking from their own long catatonic spells to record the disaster they will swear they couldn’t see coming.
Next, we will go through the tipping-point where a critical mass of the population — not just in America, but throughout Western Civ, and even beyond — realizes that they have been poisoned and injured by the mRNA “vaccines” they were so eager to line up for. It will produce a special sort of collective agony centered around a raging despair that leads with astonishing speed to prosecutions. The torpor and uncertainty of the past three years evaporates and the machinery of law actually starts cranking again, and in the right way — not as a mere instrument of coercion and intimidation, but to actually seek justice.
Third will be the transformation of a raging inflation into a ruinous debt deflation that leaves Americans, one way or another, with no money. At the same time, the people will wake to the wrecking of their energy and food supply. A line will appear drawn in the ground from sea to shining sea, as by a cosmic power, and everybody… the formerly Woke, the unvaxxed, the penitent and unrepentant, the middle and lower orders especially, who suffer most harshly… will find themselves all on one side of that line in opposition to the wicked who have brought a hard rain upon them. And there you will finally see the beginning of your long-promised hope and change. No need even to wait for it. At long last, it’s upon us.
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I’ve got to say, you’re definitely getting better.
The combination of your fabulous talent, along with the journey into total truth & awareness achieved by finally discarding the lies of your youth, has created a very nice articulation of where we are today.
Mitchellc — I must wonder what you think the lies of my youth were… or what you suppose they were. You might be surprised to learn that what I construed to be reality then was not based on lies. Anyway, you’re not in a position to judge that. — JHK Admin
I think the most pressing issue is how to convince them to back away from jumping. Faced with the loss of everything held dear, think of the underlying frustration and tempration to say ‘fuck it’ and push the button.
In another time Jim would have been a fantastic fundamentalist preacher. I’d certainly be enthralled by and cry out a few well-deserved hallelujahs to one of his many sermons like this one.
Yes! Like the third profit in Life of Brian:
“… There shall, in that time, be rumours of things going astray, and there shall be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things. At this time, a friend shall lose his friend’s hammer and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before, about eight o’clock. Yea, it is written in the book of Cyril that, in that time, the third one shall search for his car keys, and knoweth not where they are…”
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Joe Biden “don’t jump”. Evil speaks.
Lies of youth?
…That the OPD was the template the Beatles used as the “Blue Meanies”?
…Heard that somewhere….
“…the machinery of law actually starts cranking again, and in the right way — not as a mere instrument of coercion and intimidation, but to actually seek justice.” ~ JHK
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“The Season is Here” ~ JHK
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Happy Hollidaze
“Mitchellc — I must wonder what you think the lies of my youth were… or what you suppose they were. You might be surprised to learn that what I construed to be reality then was not based on lies. Anyway, you’re not in a position to judge that.” ~ JHK Admin
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Jim, how about creating your own account and commenting under other people’s comments, rather than within them? Join ‘The People’ and ‘sit at their table’ as it were. Get out of the kitchen.
As for ‘the lies of youth’, I’m unsure what that means exactly except for the fact that many adults feel the need to spend the rest of their lives deprogramming themselves of the various lies their culture(s) told, and keep telling, them.
In your case, it appears as your unfailing naivete and faith in the dystem (dystopic system), despite your relatively-contradictory or at least contrasting orations regarding, and generally against, it.
“Jim, how about creating your own account and commenting under other people’s comments, rather than within them? Join ‘The People’ and ‘sit at their table’ as it were. Get out of the kitchen.”
Absurd.
You are allowed to attend a banquet put on for you.
You think your host should further exert himself to respond to guests’ commentary on the menu?
Of course it’s absurd.
My suggestion was inspired in part by a concern for his inserted bold text hurting your eyes (in reference to a previous comment of yours), as well as JHK’s own absurdities.
Monty Python and all that.
Zaz, you sound frazzled.
Take a rest and enjoy your Sunday
I wasn’t entirely joking there, Islander.
Indeed his bold comment hijacking someone else’s indeed made me recall your eye nonsense among other nonsense.
For all we know Jim already created his own account and is doing the absurd and posting through you or someone else’s nick, if not metaphorically.
Enjoy your Sunday, and every day as well. I might be around to help make sure you do.
” into total truth & awareness achieved by finally discarding the lies of your youth”
I must say that although couched as a compliment, to me this comment sounded patronizing and hence somewhat conceited.
That’s the mitchellc always sounds.
True, that.
JHK’s articles’ own styles and critiques and whatnot, along with some of your own commentary hereon, makes mitchellc’s commentary seem quite fair and tame.
are we not to say wonderfully? hence, woefully?
could be
There is a reason that the phrase/insult of “Conspiracy Theory/Theorist” was introduced but the criminal spooks that covered up the JFK Murder, and it has been quite effective for shutting down the critical thinking abilities of a majority of the herd for 70 years now. However, Conspiracy has always been the way of mankind, especially in the geo-political realm, where manipulating the general public into sending their children off to fight the wars for profit for the elite who rule or simply shutting down critical though is the goal. The fact is that Conspiracy is not theory, but fact and it is how our fate is determined behind the closed doors of those who rule.
I have become completely convinced that what has been going on in our world has been an intricate campaign to demonize America as the Global Murdering Bully ( not that we haven’t earned that title), and our sellout dotard leaders are going out of their way to advertise to the rest of the world that, yes indeed, turn against us for we are treacherous, murdering scum that will turn on you too should you be stupid enough to trust us. China has got an easy job IMHO turning everyone against the Nation of War and embracing the Nation of Business, and the money they paid to our dirt bag leaders is paying dividends.
The multifaceted assault on our population is working out almost flawlessly, and by the time the next owners take possession of our country, the only thing that will be Red in the Dawn will be the bloodshot eyes of the serfs who wake up to “Surprise, surprise”, probably won’t give a shit anyway about the new arrangement, and in no way even try to fight the take-over as long as they are promised stay at home jobs and high quality weed and other substances of forgetfulness. Of course, the New Owners will not keep them around for long, and frankly I wouldn’t blame them. Time to clean house anyway.
I still say the evil ones jump ship and show up in Moscow, Beijing, New Delhi. Start over again fresh with no overhang.
The Bush’s own haciendas in South America and I’ll bet New Zealand is another prime spot for them to escape justice and continue their lives of debauchery.
I have always maintained that people conspire against other people. And in this country the elite class has always conspired against the pleb class.
I however am not as hopeful as JHK in earthly justice finally coming to fruition. IMHO, the justice is so captured by the global elites that there will never be justice and the consequent punishments upon the elites.
And how did they get away with it? By creating, chaos, disasters, instigating fear, capturing academia, including at the lowest levels, even many churches. By destroying the common moral fabric espoused in the Bible and perhaps other books and replacing it with all that is immoral but fraudulently cloaked in a virtuous veil of deceit. Decades of work to numb the consciousness of the masses.
The destruction of the financial system will likely have many more ramifications than the evil management of this world has considered. ( I am loathe to call them leaders ). Admittedly I personally think the only option to solve this is for everyone to EMP each other. The prepared will survive, the woke will not, but unfortunately there will be much more innocent collateral damage, children etc.
“all that is immoral but fraudulently cloaked in a virtuous veil of deceit. ”
This encapsulates the essence of what we are confronted with.
Also, the Germans (I allude to Diane Johnstone’s CN piece about the narrative nannies in Germany, linked in previous thread).
Right on target Walter. This country is being intentionally taken down by its owners, just as the World Trade Center was. The fact that it took place on 9/11 is no coincidence. A bunch of angry Arabs in a cave lack the cultural perspective, and the wit, to choose such an appropriate date.
It is not China that is turning world opinion against the US, it is our own government.
Yes, the date alone was a telltale clue. Credit to the plotters for appreciating these kinds of details.
I wonder if it was Darth Cheney’s idea?
I noticed that right from the beginning. Yet, I’m sorry to admit, that it took almost 8 years – and watching Loose Change – to move the needle from suspicion to certainty for me. Despite being a “paranoid conspiracy theorist” from the age of 13.
It took watching David Ray Griffin on DVD in 2005 to open my eyes.
And then we rented a bus to go to Washington, DC and protest the Iraq War, and the bus had a DVD player, so I brought a DVD of Griffin to show.
One of the bus drivers got in touch with me after the trip. He wanted a copy, so I sent him one.
He lived in Raccoon Hollow, Kentucky. It tickles me to think that residents of Raccoon Hollow had their eyes opened long before the Woke who still believe the Official Story.
I watched a sad funeral cavalcade in NY westchester county 10 days after that September shock. It only took 3 months for me to jump and abandon ship i.e. leave NY.
If I had doubts caused by the incredible crime, my legs had none…
My friend lost her husband that day. She now lives in Maine.
You should call her. Say Hi.
And never think a hateful thought, or any thought not pre-cooked for you and served up by The Party like so much dim sum.
Served up like so much dum sim. (Dumb simulation.)
The best dvd and mind awakener for me was “9/11 Mysteries/
Demolitions”. It documents the explosions in the basements
prior to the collapse, the thermite pouring out of the twin
towers
from various locations, the visible explosions inside the
buildings (visible as flashes), and of course the collapse of
WTC 7. As well, any building that collapses at the speed of
gravity, with no floors offering any resistance is by definition a
demolition. There are over 3,000 architects who are
members of Architects for 9/11 Truth.
Yes, WW, that is a good one. That one father who lost his son, Bobby, points out that his son was killed in the basement explosions an hour before the planes even hit.
And yeah, watching the molten metal stream down the side of the buildings is convincing. And the explosions. And the firefighters’ testimony.
Loose Change confirmed my suspicions, and added new ones. Thank goodness for that documentary.
As I have posted here many times in the past as well as everywhere else that I post, only a dimwitted idiot would fall for the lie that those buildings collapsed at freefall speed on their own without the aid of controlled demolition. Having spent many years as a structural steel designer after being schooled in strength of materials and structural steel design, it is fucking impossibility for what happened that day to have happened in the way we saw it unfold. And after managing the maintenance department in a steel forging facility I can tell you that the temperatures quoted in all of the documentation of that day aren’t even close to be able to do what is claimed to have been done.
But just as Colonel Jessup once said, “You can’t handle the truth”, Americans have been programmed to reject an unpleasant truth in preference to a bright and shiny lie.
Our government has sold us out so that they can get the hell out of here and set themselves up in places where they think they will be able to continue to live the lives of Riley and there is nothing that we can do about that. Good for that for it is better to fight for what is right than to sell out for what is, well, bullshit.
Yeah Walter, as I watched the buildings falling down, I asked myself, “How were they able to get demolition crews in there to set charges on multiple floors, as the buildings were on fire and people were streaming out?” Because it was obvious, buildings don’t fall into their footprints unless assisted all the way down.
And yet, some people…
Building 7 fell down from sheer fright in seeing its fellow buildings get hit with planes and then pancake down. Yes, building 7 was already quaking in its boots.
My ‘Aha!’ moment was the knowledge that jet fuel (kerosene) burns at 800 degrees F and steel melts at 2000 degrees F.
“This sucker’s going down!”
(morons)
Though our own government IS on eth CCP payroll Blackbird. The Chinese saw the weaknesses in those who rose to rule us and took full advantage. I shall not embrace them once they are officially in charge here, but I have to admit that my greater disgust is with the brain-dead dotards, and decadent bastards that sold us out. The only consolation would be if the new owners “reward” them with what they deserve, and we get to watch before it is our turn. I shall pray for forgiveness for looking forwards to that.
Gotta agree with you there Walter. As much as I despise the Chicoms, my greatest contempt is for the traitors in our midst.
In the 1999 Beijing publication – Unrestricted Warfare – it outlines various means to achieve a favorable positioning in a war. Using the enemies “system” to “strangle itself” can be achieved through covert-infiltration at all levels of influence, without firing a single bullet. In essence, the enemy is induced to commit strategic-suicide. Thus the “war” is already won through cunning-positioning.
Western-Civ. has been unaware of the war being waged against it now for several decades.
The strangulation-strategy seems to be working like a charm.
The act of international terrorism that “Joe Biden” and Co. cooked up and did is a classic modern day conspiracy. They are so proud of themselves that they even cock around telling of their glee.
I noticed how Nuland in her Neocon gloatiness even pulled Ted Cruz into the party, “Like you Senator Cruz, I am very happy to know Nordstream is now just a pile of metal at the bottom of the sea.”
Hersch has come out with his second Substack on Nordstream entitled “The Cover-up” referring to the cockamamie “SS Minnow” story they hatched.
The cover-up is worse than the crime?
This one may be on the back-burner of our minds now, but “someone” will turn up the heat and when that sucker boils over it will make the biggest mess “Joe Biden” has ever seen.
I think The Nordstream crime will be his demise.
The “SS Minnow” story was too ridiculous to be ridiculous. On the contrary, they are laughing at us, laughing as they must have been while their QAnon psyop played on the hopes and fears of a gullible cohort, culminating in the January 6th spectacular.
They no longer attempt to disguise their disdain even with plausible deniability.
Nothing less than civil war between competing “Generals” ( as per the Roman empire) or a massive military strike from without will alter the present spiritual sclerosis. I suspect those with the capability to strike “from without” patiently await the war between those competing for the title of Caesar.
American’s are spoiled petulant children who want instant gratification. They will quickly learn the hard way, that a country like China that has been around for a few thousand years versus a few hundred, has patience to wait them out.
The civil war is all but set, hard to say what the catalyst will be, a false flag or their ‘reaction’ to it, causing the real war.
Qanon affect is what you get when you let the enemy educate your crotch goblins for a few generations.
In a way, these ignorant kids get what they deserve but sadly will drag the rest of us down with them.
“I suspect those with the capability to strike “from without” patiently await the war between those competing for the title of Caesar.”
Methinks not!
Why?
For TPTB, this “war” is simply a diversion.
For the Russian Federation and 82% of it’s 145,000,000 inhabitant’s, this “war” actually IS a war — and most importantly so, because * we* are an existential threat.
To think that they would sit around waiting for our red & blue ‘ants’ to ‘go at each other’ — given the above, is absolutely preposterous (aka ‘hopeium’).
You are entitled to your opinion. My reasoning derives from Sun Tzu and Napoleon which is basically never interrupt your enemy as they commit suicide
The civil war in the US I reference is akin to those of the Roman Empire between competing generals and their armies.
Red v blue does not adequately describe the agreement between the likes of Rubio Graham and Cruz and their blue counterparts Biden Pelosi et al.
It could be a Democrat voter in the Pentagon who leads the like-minded against the insane ones listed above.
Agreed for Russia this war is existential.
“The ‘SS Minnow’ story was too ridiculous to be ridiculous.” ~ Billy Hill
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“”when that sucker boils over it will make the biggest mess “Joe Biden” has ever seen.””
The Swamp is full of old forgetters, who only hear the fat lady sing.
Only sellouts left, with nothing left but the exit.
Walter, I am of the opinion that the globalist parasite class has been using the United States since at least the end of WWII to get us to exactly the point we are at now.
What they also did in parallel was build up the Chinese, as that is where they planned to rule from as they implemented global government.
China just screwed them in a major way, so now things get really interesting (aside from the Covid and climate frauds, etc.).
Things are still going to get much bumpier.
Absolutely! The Chinese were the wise investment for they have not forgotten the Opium Wars or 55 Days at Peking. The Europeans and Americans abused them in antiquity and the Sino-hive-mentality, includes a long memory and superior patience to pretty much every other group of people out there. It is a powerful combination that will certainly propel them to the top of the human dog-pile before much longer.
Americans have had it too soft for too long and are decadent and arrogant. A deadly combination that has earned us a quick trip down the sewer.
Good point on the history and Chinese mentality in context.
The Chinese, and the Russians, and the IRANIANS, adopted the American idea of an ECONOMIC CORRIDOR.
If you know, you know.
I hope that you are right, and that the nightmare is about to end, but I remember Jonestown, and thousands of crazies drinking the KoolAid. And this country and Europe has go millions of crazies. But if we wake up collectively, it will be economic suffering that does it. Because even soft and furry wokesters loves them some comfort.
The losers are fodder anyway. One of the questions regarding the failures in Ukraine is why are they performing so badly with all the material provided?
Hmmm, maybe a lot of it never got delivered to the front. Maybe lost at the docks, diverted to the many criminal gangs, political factions and general arms market.
This is how our good acts are rewarded by sowing the seeds of general society destruction.
Sending weapons and $$ to Ukraine was never a good act in the first place.
Why are they performing so badly?. Nazis all use the very same playbook, and historians are always writing the same things about them after they’ve lost as they always do and leave a huge mess behind. They make futile last ditch efforts like the Battle of Nuremburg during WWII. They’ll throw 16 year olds, old men, and even women in the lost Crusade, with all perishing in a blaze of glory and demolished buildings. A once spectacular and historic city founded in the Middle Ages is reduced to rubble. What’s left of the old city isn’t much. And a collection of historians’ accounts of a once civilized model city transforming itself into a literal reinactment of a Hieronymous Bosch painting. A scene fit for a Wagner opera.
Didn’t Hitler once ask, “is Paris burning”? Well, I think the fuhrer would be pleased with the scene in Paris at the moment.
And, Bordeaux, “the new Paris”—where, I read on Twitter yesterday, the Bordeaux hotel de ville was in flames.
httpX://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz4Jz2PgeZk
Bordeaux is a UNESCO heritage/landmark/whatever city with the largest collection of historic structures in France second only to Paris.
Who is setting these fires? Why?
I certainly see the point of protests against Macron, Napoleon X, but why burn down cities? Reminds me of BLM/Antifa.
It is just anger, rage and stress popping out all over. It will be worse when it finally hits here. Imagine George Floyd with hungry people, broke people, and white folks with guns that have been evicted, in the mob. In other words, people who really have something to riot about.
Reminds me of Notre Dame. They still don’t know what caused the fire but they knew for certain it was accidental even as it was engulfed in flames.
At least they have an excuse to make it look not so much like a church anymore.
At least the rioters in France are expressing legitimate grievances, unlike our domestic rioters who incinerate the cities in which they live in honor of criminal trash.
However, I suspect that those in France, and elsewhere, that are torching private property and priceless historical and cultural sites, are herded and paid by the same globalist elites as our home-grown street scum.
The French are rioting because they want a perfect, all-encompassing welfare state and excellent public services, but they don’t want to work for it. Macron is just another evil globalist, but he is actually right on this one: the French welfare system can’t survive if people retire at 62. Oh, and the French voted for him, so suck it up, messieurs!
SAINT PATRICKS CATHEDRAL
Micelle Obama taking a selfie as it burned.
was that in 2019?
The historic Bordeaux Town Hall, constructed in 1784, was torched too. This beautiful building survived Rospiere & the French Revolution of 1792, but it didn’t survive the French Revolution of 2023.
France seems to come up with money for free stuff for migrants, though.
George Floyd (back from the dead) will lead the mob to victory as that topless woman lead the French to freedom and mass executions of the deplorables. Future paintings will portray this.
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Ooh la la. Le Guillotine!
Hereward:
“The French are rioting because they want a perfect, all-encompassing welfare state and excellent public services, but they don’t want to work for it. ”
That certainly is part of it.
But my understanding is that he real grievance and “We won’t take it anymore” riots were triggered by Macron’s high-handedness in declaring these major policy changes emperor-wise but under orders from the WEF and Rothschild and bypassing France’s parliament (I can’t recall at the moment what it is called).
Macron just barely survived a no-confidence vote.
Hereward,
They were promised something then it was taken away.
Don’t expect the masses to do the math.
And if the oligarchs weren’t stealing everything of value, and jacking up the prices on what’s left, maybe the French could retire at 62 – unlike the oligarchs who have never, and will never, produce anything of value.
It’s just the pure hatred. They are miserable and like the creatures they are, want to make everyone around them miserable. You have to destroy ‘old’ history before you can rewrite the ‘new’ history that paints you in a more favorable light. Just like the religious hatred when you see factions burning down religious establishments that otherwise have been standing for centuries.
Just wait until a REAL insurrection comes to town.
The BS Jan 6 crap was mostly a setup and government plants performing it. Wait until a REAL jan 6th uprising comes in with people who have nothing left to lose because the government took it from them.
Hopefully when it does pop off, those people remember it was the Politicians, The Press, and the letter agencies who caused this all and take it out on them first.
@Hereward the Woke, you have a response here:
March 25, 2023 at 2:24 am
I put it there because this subthread is a little long and the response, a little puffy.
What is happening in Paris and elsewhere in France is good, IMO.
They must bring down Macron.
The Macaroon is a key element in the enslavement of Europe. As are the Netherlands (WEF Food Hubs), where the farmers just scored a major victory.
There’s a big section on France at the start of today’s UKC news. Seems to have gone way beyond a pension protest.
ukcolumn.org/video/uk-column-news-24th-march-2023
Interesting bits on Ukraine after that, including a group of Ukrainian soldiers abandoned, and being shot at on all sides by their own forces because of the lack of communication.
Indeed.
Check out Freddie Ponton on Twitter. He often liases with Patrick Henningsen.
But they are not all “losers” in some senses. They have jobs, they pay taxes, etc. For example, California. They have rolling electrical blackouts, poop in the streets, crime everywhere, and still the Democrats win elections in the state. Same with other blue states like New York and Massachusetts. But they keep on voting for Democrats. And Washington and Oregon.
There is a huge beast of Mental Illness stalking our country. It looks like religious fanaticism, but I think there is more to it than that,
I believe your last paragraph nails it, PD. Very bad diets, drugs and hyper-complexity have caused our population’s mental illness. The results are obvious.
“….and still the Democrats win elections in the state.”
Maybe it’s a Pavlov reaction. Anyway, who trusts elections nowadays?
Well, don’t forget now.
Religion is just another arm of Politics.
The purpose of both is to control the masses.
Get them to do your bidding and what you tell them to.
Mental illness… it could look like that but a LOT of it is immaturity. Spoiled little children, never disciplined, turn into spoiled rotten adults. PooTube is full of videos of them acting up.
I believe a good ass beating or 5, even administered decades later, could solve a LOT of these behavioral issues you are witnessing.
For the thicker headed. Black eyes, busted lips and missing teeth can serve as a constant reminder of how NOT to behave in the future.
The kids whom you despise have meaningless lives, because the “society” [irony quotes] that they live in, offers nothing to aspire to.
You can beat them up, and they will act out less, but it will not motivate them to do anything better with their lives, because “society” [irony quotes] is not there with any guideposts.
It’s not the kids’ faults that society is crumbling around them and they despair.
Those who are less susceptible to deaths of despair, generally seem more religious, have more faith in God, in their outlook and upbringing, is my impression and apparently there is data to this effect, see for example the Amish.
“mental illness” as an explanation for the kids’ problems, is 8th-grade level thinking. It’s like the meme of a koala in a cut down forest, freaking out, and some psychiatrist with a clipboard pointing at him and saying “this one has mental illness.”
“mental illness” [irony quotes again] in our post modern world, 9 times outta 10, is a symptom of dysfunctional society that doesn’t have anything on offer.
Young people have to be provided examples of how to live. They don’t have any, except maybe those who find it in Christ.
Even crazies have a purpose in this world, nature never wastes anything. And coyotes and buzzards gotta eat too, same as worms. There’s room enough in the biosphere for everyone.
Woot! Sharpening my table knife, tying on a napkin like a bib. Get ready for some great deals on land and productive businesses. If you survive.
Coyote,
What good is land…purchased at a great deal, if there is no rule of law?
In the post-law America we are about to inhabit, the only things you will be able to safely preserve are those things within your immediate sphere. To protect your land, it will have to be enclosed with barbed wire, booby trapped, and guarded to the max. There will be no city hall to file a deed claim or seek justice. The best adverse possession claim you have will be when the former landowner is laying at your feet in a pool of blood.
No Cowbell81, the only thing we will be able to preserve shall be our souls.
Nope.
It’s time to take out the trash before we suffocate on the stench and its rot brings down our societal scaffolding. Past time. Way past time.
Most people do not have the stomach to take out the trash.
I say this often and get banned often for it.
You BETTER know who your neighbors are, and what they are capable of doing.
If one is going to be a problem when SHTF, it’s best to take care of a problem early on, before it fully manifests, rather than when that problem and 3 of it’s ‘friends’ is kicking your door in at 3 am looking for drugs or stealables.
if you got crackheads and other roaches and vermin living down the road. Do EVERYONE a favor and ‘remove’ them from their impending suffering early on.
I live on a dead end road, on the edge of nowhere. Yeah, we got trash. It starts across the road from me. In a trailer. In a swamp. And continues to the end of the road.
Going the other way, good wholesome American citizens, well-armed. We just might be able to polish up the trash a bit before they become a problem. I expect trouble from outsiders long before my trashy neighbors become pests. Hope so anyway.
A lot of my neighbors are tough blue collar guys, and a lot of the others are subsidized imports, with names that are Arabic or Asian, and often as not, black.
In the old days when diversity was “celebrated” [irony quotes] such a mix was called an excited word like a farrago.
Whose idea was it to mix this country up, so that no one has anything in common?
Most of the people went along with the idea that diversity is a good thing, because most people want to get along.
Diversity, for all its problems, is a scapegoat tho. Why did we get into this mess?
Good times create weak men..
P-dread; your reference to Jonestown caught my attention as there is abundant evidence for the intrepid individual that Jonestown was mass murder, not suicide as the official narrative purports. Abscesses indicating hastily administered needle sticks between the shoulder blades, etc as evidence that very few drank the Koop-Aid. Murder most foul neatly repackaged for the gullible the masses explained as the action of crazies so as to swiftly disappear down the memory hole with the thought, “Sure glad I’m not one of THOSE types!l I’d NEVER commit suicide..!” Sure, sure… by the way did’ja hear that the new booster is coming out soon??! God help us all. Over and out, dear CFNers.
I will have to check out the mass murder stuff on Jonestown. That would be fascinating.
Here is a quick primer.
://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/Jonestown.html
Loved John Judge!
Me too!
Jonestown as an image metaphor for the country’s fate. Of what is to come. Admittedly a horrible thought but it did happen. And so did mass vaccinations.
I won’t believe it in tho.
The only thing that will help anyone who wants help is a CC license, a good firearm, or several, ammunition, and training. Anything less and you are relying on folks that can not be relied on for safety, but more likely for your disappearance. When it really hits the fan, there will be many millions looking to take what you have, which may include the government. You an live, or die, on your feet, or certainly die on your knees. Not hyperbole, just hard facts. God will only help those who help themselves.
Not sure about the value of a CC license.
There is a good meme on the template of the Chad [1] versus the Virgin, where the Chad, in this case a black American of n-word, doesn’t give a fucking fuck about no stoopid permit; whereas the Virgin Whitey, goes to the trouble of following the rulez and getting one.
And you gotta kinda agree, that rule-following Whitey, for all his good points, is a stooge.
1. For the blessedly internet un-savvy, a Chad is a synecdoche of an alpha, and it’s from the name, “Chad” which for some reason is more frequently occurring among high status White men; and the virgin is, well, a virgin
Somehow, people cannot compute what will happen when motor fuel becomes temporarily unavailable, say for several months until things get fixed. A month without food will kill you. After not eating for a mere two weeks, the average person won’t have the strength to travel very far on foot. Sure, there will be a zombie period with desperate feral humans running about, but it will be a short time lasting maybe a few months. After that, the survivors will band together into various tribes and organizations and figure out a way to carry on by cleverly using all the stuff left behind. There will be a sort of Rapture that the fundamentalist Christians believe, but it will be the wicked that will be removed. They will be left behind. The rest of us who are willing and capable will move on.
Penelope,
Our Host did not suggest that it was about to end…he is discussing only the beginning of the end.
Just finished a book on the History of Jim Jones and his project. A bit over 900 died, and only about half that number drank the purple drank…it was not even Kool-Aid, but rather the cheaper Flavor Aid. Jones had an armed cadre* that forced many to drink and those that would not comply, including most of the children, were injected with poison…forcibly.
*The majority of which were black former street “toughs”.
Jones did not drink, he was shot on his own orders. His son refused the process, and still lives.
Oh yeah, and Jones’s sex life was…varied. He was under a lot of pressure, and needed…succor…
In PI days (pre internet) they could tell us absolute absurdities with very little pushback.
I remember distinctly them telling us that there were 400 dead found and then days later they said “Ooops, it was 900”.
Say what? But just like today, they reported it straight as it came to them on the newsfeed.
But back then, there was no social media to let skeptics say “That sounds like bullshit to me. How do you not notice 500 dead bodies?”
I think it would have went viral. Instead, you have it part of this culture to this day to bring up the “Drinking the Koolaid” narrative.
That is why our overlords want to censor and even stomp out social media.
Oh they do NOT want to stomp out social media at ALL.
THAT is the very tool they use to control the masses!!
They just want a stranglehold on what is to be talked about.
You can be a drooling mouth breather foaming over the latest cat video with your sloppy friends, but don’t you DARE talk about current issues if it is NOT on your talking point queue cards!!
Psst. Joe. JOE !! read the teleprompter you old fool !!!
Yeah, they do use it to monitor and control.
You are right, they mostly want to censor it.
They didn’t drink the koolaid, they were murdered.
I don’t know if that comforts you, though. Either way, they dead.
” Either way, they dead.”
Horrifying.
The culture ended up with a very useful phrase, “drink the Kool-Aid.”
The word is kind of ironic because that actual suffix for a drink of some kind is -ade. Not -aid. E.g., lemonade.
“Aid” can be punned in numerous directions.
Even if it wasn’t Kool-Aid that killed them,
figuratively they had drunk Jones’s Kool-Aid as soon as they agreed to go to his camp/community/KZ in the jungle.
Maybe these people were drug addicts before they left for Jonestown. They were most certainly prisoners once they got there.
A lot of them were sentenced to Jonestown by judges or given to Jim Jones by the social welfare system.
Jonestown was not what we were told, one crazy man with equally crazy followers.
The Establishment was in on it.
And killing Leo Ryan was part of it. We hear about the Church Committee a lot, but Ryan ran a parallel investigation in the House. And he was a co-sponsor of the Hughes/Ryan Act which tried to put a lid on the CIA. They were out to get him.
I posted this link to Penelope, but you might like to read it also.
//ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/Jonestown.html
“…tried to put a lid on the CIA…”
Sorely needed, but it really hasn’t worked out well so far for anyone who has tried it.
The Establishment was in on it.
Yeah it sounds like something the CIA etc woulda got up to, in order to study their sick and twisted techniques in how people can be controlled up to and including suicide.
Remember when the schizos in NY were derided for complaining about that there were airwaves being pointed at their heads, telling them to kill themselves, and everyone laughed at their delusions? ah, the good old days..
“Maybe these people were drug addicts before they left for Jonestown.”
Islander,
In this you are correct. They believed that Jones could heal and revive the dead…. Their drug of choice was the “opiate of the people”‘
Jones forbid alcohol and narcotic drugs to his flock.
Funny that a difficult addiction was once called a “Jones”
“…I be Jones’n….”
E. was Rev. Jones operating in the Bay area when you were a police officer there?
BRH,
Yes, but I’d never heard of him. In his early days, he attended black churches, usually to recruit members, and did, in fact, provide social services of some value.
No one was ever sentenced by a judge to Jonestown…but his church DID provide outreach in the Justice system, and was well thought of by State Social services in his early efforts. He did feed and house the poor…and he had some rehabilitative programs that seemed to be effective.
He declared publicly that he was a socialist. In private, he praised communism.
Did I mention that he got laid a lot?
From the link I provided:
”Despite a lack of trained personnel, or proper licensing, Jones drew in many people at the camp. He had elderly, prisoners, people from psychiatric institutions, and 150 foster children, often transferred to care at Happy Havens by court orders.[99]”
Paula,
I suggest that those remanded were into programs that the Peoples Temple maintained…never to the Guiana project.
Yes, EF, I agree. They were remanded in country and then taken to Guyana.
Except for maybe that MLK, Jr witness. I’d have to read it again, but I thought that she got sent there to shut her up.
Does the Jonestown fairy tale jibe with these times?
Like Max Weber I suspect the root cause of our current woke malaise is Protestantism. The Faustian unwillingness to accept limits–such as infinite economic growth on a finite planet. Suspicion/rejection of tradition ON PRINCIPLE as being old irrelevant. I see the seeds of the Protestant Reformation as early as the Occam and the nominalists, who turned toward Aristotle’s scientism, away from Plato’s philosophy.
Nope in my humble opinion. Woke malaise is simply an attitude made possible by the masses having access to private automobiles. The Fuhrer’s old dream for private autos and interstate highways manifested itself best in America. Remove gasoline from the picture and former wokesters will be spending all their time instead on bicycles and will be learning to use hammers, nails, and garden hoes. Wokesters unable to make that transition will simply transform into a more spiritual and etherialized version of themselves out there in another dimension, or some bullshit like that. It’s all good…….
I thought the private automobile dream was Ford’s.
And he figured out how to make it work for both capitalists and workers by pricing his products right.
If I’m not mistaken, Henry Ford was a Hitler fan. Hitler’s dream of a Volkswagon or “people’s car” in every driveway depended on Germany seizing oil fields somewhere outside of Germany to maintain the fuel supply to keep Germans flying down the autobahn or “car train” with each good German isolated in his/her own private tin can.
Inside a regular European passenger train compartment, six people are randomly thrown into a small room with some really cool scenery flashing by in the window. Your little group could be together for a number of hours or even all day, and a lot of people talk during this time, and some of them even party. I once had a Eurorail pass good for 2 months traveling on any trains running in the “free world” at the time. If you were a young man and a young woman traveling a long ways and meeting for the first time, if you wished to have private conversations there without a crowd around you, there were sleeping cars and private rooms available on the train.
Maybe Hitler didn’t like the idea of people sharing rooms and adventures on trains, they might talk among themselves about just what an asshole their leader is. Hitler wanted Germans isolated in moving tin cans that all had am radios installed on the dashboards, just like in all American cars. And while each German is isolated they can listen to Nazi propaganda or even the Fuhrer himself blaring on the radio. There might not be anyone in the car in the back seat to say “can you believe this shit on the radio?”
Hitler said of Him: Meanwhile in America, a great Man works.
Stalin said of Him: Communism will never succeed as long as Henry Ford lives.
Henry didn’t see the Truth about Blacks though, betraying National Socialism by replacing striking White workers with Black scabs. That’s not the way, Woody.
And all illegal immigrants are scabs, at least the ones willing and able to work.
Ford also built an auto plant for Stalin in the Soviet Union c1930s.
Why the hell did he do that?
You might have to sit near someone of impure blood on a train.
The first VWs had no AM radios installed.
Woodchuck:
1. Ford preceded Hitler. Doesn’t really matter what the two thought of each other. That is “ad hominem logic.
2. What you understand about German history, learned on a Eurail pass is mind-blowing!
So it doesn’t matter what people think of each other – say what Putin thinks of Biden, if Biden preceded him or vice versa?
Care to rephrase that, “laddy”?
Germans are the best looking and most organized people, it’s too bad they hate themselves.
Or maybe it’s for the better, is what the current thinking goes, amirite?
The private automobile is strongly related to Max Weber’s formulation of Protestant individualism.
Yeah, everyone who doesn’t want to go back to 1890 is a Nazi, right Dil?
Yeah, either a Nazi or a Commie….
Admit it and move on. You are way too much of a pussy to live the same lifestyles of your forebears. Somehow, some way, a big chunk of masculinity got lost in your immediate family lineage – something didn’t get passed down from father to son. A great grandfather knew damn well how to live without using electricity or gasoline and he’d done it for years. He also knew how to shovel horsehit because he owned a horse. Or he was really good on a bicycle because that had replaced his horse. He wasn’t chickenshit to get bucked off either a horse or a bicycle. Contrast this with Jarek who says he’s too old to ride, and he will be studying Eastern Occult literature and hoping to be able to travel about using out of body experiences or “astral travel” to get there. And while that is happening in his life he still each day looks out forlornly at the lifeless Kia in his driveway. Dreaming about the time he can once again get his groceries and adult diapers the easy way.
regards,
yer ole pal Dilbert
Great stuff. No one is more vicious than a liberal. I’ll hitch up the Kia to my horses! Ride over to your place and duke it out with pitchforks.
McCall’s women’s magazine celebrated their 100th anniversary with a commemorative issue, and they featured interviews with a lot of 100 year old women.
When asked what was the greatest invention of her time from a woman’s point of view, one woman said it was the automobile, because it got the women off of the farm.
I met a 97-year-old woman—very spry!—back in the eighties. She lived in Pennsylvania, somewhere northwest of Philly but in the mountains. She had had all of her children before WW1.
We asked her the same question: What was the important technological advance from her point of view as a woman.
Without hesitation she said electricity: The electric lights prevented so many fires that occurred when children and animals knocked over candles, lanterns, etc.
She lived in an area with lots of streams. Many mills of various sorts were converted to produce electricity—must have been DC systems (???), distributed locally. Quite soon, however, the independent generators were bought up and integrated into regional systems.
We asked her the same question: What was the important technological advance from her point of view as a woman.
Without hesitation she said…
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Hi,Q,
Congrats on the lead balloon.
@ Q Shtik:
Vulgarity is not a good quality in a person. Neither is juvenility.
Now that’s a spicy meatball!
Agree. Liberalism is just Puritanism without Jesus. Trace it back to Cromwell. The Lutherans in Minnesota are committing cultural suicide because we are all God’s children. And the dirt is magic.
Yes, but no. The Puritans saw themselves as the Chosen People and God help anybody who stood in their way.
The latter day ones are New Testament – not the Chosen, Indeed, being a People or thinking that way is the Original Sin of Racism.
Yes, absolutely. You understand that Puritanism in its rejection of healthy moderate traditions ultimately leads to atheism, to worship of both the self and the state–as paradoxical as it sounds. Without a church to administer standards, inner guilt and outer government structures have to step in to fill the void. Both being extremes–because Puritans are extremists. Extremely judgmental, pietistic, disciplined, given to bouts of riotous living followed by extreme penance, etc. Look at church attendance in northern Europe. Christianity is essentially dead there.
I thought only the Mormons underwear was magic?
Hmm… interesting..
Long ago in ancient times I’d amuse myself by going trolling in Usenet relitious newsgroups. I’d ask Mormons all about their sacred longjohns and when they had to be retired. I’d compare holy underwear to the “colors” worn by outlaw bikers. Those vests with the club patches on the back are even more sacred than Mormon underwear. Bikers will wear them dirty and oily, a having an old threadbare patch denotes status in the outlaw clan. How many skidmarks are allowed on Mormon longjohns before the bleach bottles come out or they are tossed in the trash. Is there a special procedure for disposing of holy underwear? Mormons in the group got upset with me – and that was the point of my posting in the first place. I like to think that online trolling is something everyone eventually outgrows.
While I will agree that the Protestant Reformation paved the way for the secularization of Faith, the centralized tyranny of the Antichrist Catholic Church had to be escaped. I don’t need a gatekeeper to stand between me and the Creator.
The Reformation gave us the Amish, who in my opinion, live closer to the Christian ideal, than anything the Catholic Church has offered. The Catholic response to the Reformation was the Jesuits – the SS of the Catholic Church.
One could say that Protestantism was Eve’s apple redux.
Here is freedom of thought/inquiry.
What are you going to do with it?
Augustine was a Platonist who kept Greek philosophy alive with Near-Eastern mythology. No one’s going to worship Plato’s Cave but Jesus in the manger is a powerful symbol of rebirth. However the pull of Aristotelian science was too strong and the Catholic church seems to have started losing faith starting in the middle ages.
Augustine also kept the idea of Hades alive. There was no Eternal Punishment doctrine before 400 AD.
httpX://godskingdom.org/studies/books/creations-jubilee/chapter-4-does-god-punish-endlessly
That the Abrahamic god is so jealous and vengeful, makes it obvious to me that It is no perfect “god”, but instead an evil demiurge – at best. More likely a damnable lie.
That ‘all loving’ god sounds more like a petulant child, who is prone to throwing MANY a tantrum if he does not get his share of attention!!
A narcissistic deity. Great… just what every species needs!!
Sounds like an early version of your average Fakebook, Twatter, or Tictard poster. Yep, created in gods image that’s for sure!!
In other words, Humanity isn’t fallen? So there’s no need to do anything except be happy. There’s certainly no need for religion. Unitarianism is culmination of this line of thought – and of course it cancels itself out. So then people are left being “happy” with no where to go. Just smiling cabbages, whitewashed tombs.
Thus the tragedy of drug mysticism, as is the spirit is dependent on an altered biology or the substance that alters it.
I speak as a former tripper. You’re going the wrong way.
“In other words…”
Exactly – that is not what I am saying at all.
I don’t think you lack comprehension, you just like to argue and find fault.
Keep calling me a Unitarian and it’s gonna go bad for you when we get to Vaxx Camp.
Like Socrates, I’m a gadfly. The wounds must be lanced. I’m supposed to ignore these red badges of courage oozing all over the page?
Ok, let’s go back to Square One: Do you believe in Spirit in and of itself, not dependent on matter? And that It can be known since we are ultimately Spirit too?
Jars,
What I think is that the Abrahamic religions are a diabolical fraud, creating an illusory dichotomy between the spiritual and the material, and then selling us “salvation” as long as we play by their arbitrary rules.
(I think) Spirit/the Creator/Brahma/God can only be known once we have transcended the cage of materialism that we have built around ourselves.
Have you listened to Meddle, in the method I outlined, yet?
You are a gadfly.
One who annoys.
Etymology: goad.
But NOT LIKE SOCRATES, HA HA HA.
Augustine was a Platonist who kept Greek philosophy alive with Near-Eastern mythology. No one’s going to worship Plato’s Cave but Jesus in the manger is a powerful symbol of rebirth. However the pull of Aristotelian science was too strong and the Catholic church seems to have started losing faith starting in the middle ages.
You sound like a root caude yourself.
(Sorry, root cause)
Utter nonsense.
Not a helpful contribution to the conversation.
Report me to Twitter admin., blue check.
@ fattigmann:
I think most of it is sheer Sodom-and-Gomorrah level immorality. Lies and scams and frauds, everywhere you look.
To be fair, Protestantism did a pretty good job for about 200 years. Even if you never could be entirely sure what they believed, they were pretty consistent about being against lying, cheating, stealing, killing, adultery, and fornication. Sometimes even drinking.
Catholicism is equally effective when it comes to the gross externals of antisocial behavior, but it has that extra layer of inwardness, where you are directed to work on “custody of the emotions” and “custody of the mind,” in addition to custody of the physical body and its doings. Then on top of that, you have a very detailed and well reasoned theology, dating back a couple of thousand years. If you’ve got a question, the Church has the answer.
One of my Protestant relatives who was much interested in theology decided to take Catholic instructions. I mentioned that there is no better way to get a good, solid, thorough grounding in theology than to take Catholic instructions.
I have been enjoying Father Chad Ripperger a lot lately, and his sermons illustrate what I’m talking about really well. I just finished watching the video, “The Decalogue and Virtue.” This is where you find out that each of the commandments commands a lot more than you think it does. Currently, I’m watching “Mother of Fair Love,” where the demons have much to say. (Fr. Ripperger is an exorcist, so he often talks with demons and learns their opinions.)
@Anthea Interesting points all, but Protestants are also notoriously inward-looking (just think stoic Scandinavians, reserved Brits and Prussians, etc.). Cold climates tend to have that effect. The difference as you point out is 1000s of years of philosophical grounding in Catholicism. Two religions, one old, one new. One forward-looking, one-backward looking. Sure 200 years of Prot theology was great but like the industrial revolution it spawned, it contains the seeds of its own destruction. Which is what we are witnessing. Thanks for the hat tip to Fr. Ripperberger.
Fr. Ripperger is an exorcist, so he often talks with demons – Anthea
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Yeah, right.
@ Q. Shtik:
When you come right down to it, we all do–talk with demons, that is.
The Communists goal has been the same for 100 years. Their methods are well known. Create chaos, instability, power vacuums and be ready to grab power.
That is what’s happening today across the West. The destruction of society is best done by destroying the currency as Lenin stated. if you want to “remake America” do you not need to tear down the old one to make way?
In the last Great Depression there were plenty of goods to buy, but nobody had any money. In the next Great Depression, everyone will have plenty of money, but it won’t buy anything.
As for Ukraine, I am convinced our evil Communist leaders will poke and prod and make the conflict escalate. They want Russia to rain down hypersonic nuclear missiles on us because they hate us. What’s a few hundred million or billions dead to them? They don’t care. They are Satanic and want to destroy all good and right.
Things seemed to get quiet around Ukraine. I think that was one reason for the Trump drama, to get people focussed on trivial matters
(not that arresting a former president on bogus charges is trivial but the arrest never happened and we don’t know that it ever would happen, but it got people talking about porn and sex and weather DeSantis would make that right statement).
“In the last Great Depression there were plenty of goods to buy, but nobody had any money”
Not according to my mother, born in 23. She said at first it was great because everything was so cheap. And then it was terrible because the shelves were empty.
You can’t have a market system unless the vast majority of people have money.
Comes from the Eugenics Society, who has long agitated for the population to be reduced to 500 million, and this was when the population was only around 3 billion. With the present nearly 8 billion they are truly in a tizzy trying to figure out how to kill off those deemed unnecessary. The Ukraine war and their efforts to get us and NATO in the fight would certainly eliminate millions, perhaps billions, when China and other like-minded totalitarian dictatorships join in. Stopping farmers from farming, and the other dictates of insanity will likewise kill off many more, including many who commit suicide from the depression.imposed on them.
It’ll be a lot simpler than that.
Have you looked at the pathetic absolute LOSERS most this gen Z is today. They have their faces buried in their goddamned fkkin phones 24 / 7.
All they need to do is EMP the place, and probably 80 percent of these pathetic no esteemed losers will kill themselves within a few weeks because they are not able to update their Fakebook status or get their fake affirmations and validations fed to them by their fake friends 20 times a day.
We can use their selfie sticks to mark where the pile of shit was shoveled under after we feed their carcass’ to the pigs so we don’t step in it afterwards Build a mausoleum out of their participation trophies as a warning to the next generation what happens when you are NOT able to take care of yourself BY your self!
I do hope that you’re right Jim. These last three years have been so hard on everyone and for us personally, we went from being somewhat prosperous, to living meager paycheck to meager paycheck. Our small amount of savings continues to diminish and hope is in short supply. Thank you for throwing us a bit of a lifeline today. We sure need it.
I’m going to the farm supply outlet for seeds today.
The grinding noise you’re hearing is the Paradigm shifting with out the clutch.
(I stole it so I can’t attribute)
I have seedlings under grow-lights for just about everything that can be started indoors. The cole crops have been out on the porch hardening off for quite awhile, and the ground is too wet to till. Maybe we’ll be able to get them in the ground towards the end of the week.
What the name of that great post-apocalypse Irish movie? They get real hungry and get sick of the armed hippy prepper next door…..
Darby O’Gill and the Li’l People?
“Third will be the transformation of a raging inflation into a ruinous debt deflation that leaves Americans, one way or another, with no money. At the same time, the people will wake to the wrecking of their energy and food supply. A line will appear drawn in the ground from sea to shining sea, as by a cosmic power, and everybody… the formerly Woke, the unvaxxed, the penitent and unrepentant, the middle and lower orders especially, who suffer most harshly… will find themselves all on one side of that line in opposition to the wicked who have brought a hard rain upon them. And there you will finally see the beginning of your long-promised hope and change. No need even to wait for it. At long last, it’s upon us.”
Wow. There is some darkness there, boy. Well. The night doesn’t last forever. In many of the wonderful lines which J.R.R. Tolkien wrote in the Lord of the Rings, Galadriel says “Even the smallest person can change the course of the future.”
I think there will needs desperately to be a re-awakening, or perhaps a realization of what America really is. What it was. Not this perverse “Empire of Lies”, as Putin correctly describes, or a “country of greed & death” which Pope John Paul II rightly said.
Yes, you are correct in these passages. There is a satanic, Svengali shadow over the US.
However, out in the hinterlands and the hills, in the quiet towns & rolling farmsteads where the calm streams pass by in eternity– the small people continue on, regardless of, and even in contradiction to, the evils perpetrated by their “elected leaders”. This is where the hope lies. Because it is where the cows are milked, the eggs gathered, and the children continue to run & play in long grassy green meadows, and creaking, whispering Birch trees.
We live amongst the Amish, some of their young folk don’t know who the president is, they don’t care and life goes on.
Berries,
Ignorance or apathy? I don’t know and I don’t care….
eggzactly and that’s the difference.
Maybe kind of like not knowing nor caring about what goes on on the TV.
I used to dislike the Amish, but now I’m just jealous. No SSN numbers, no taxes, no television, no game laws, no school after 8th grade, etc.
No contracts to perform with false gods [ lawmakers ].
Very interesting people.
They pray for America since they know they would be slaves without us protecting them. In contrast, the Quakers are arrogant pacifists.
As Aragorn said to Barliman, half a day’s journey from here are enemies who would freeze you soul. The distance is much less for most of us. Say half a mile. Or even half a block.
The Quakers are horrible people. The historian Clyde Wilson, wrote about 19th century Quakers who protested slavery. They enticed slaves to run away to the North with promises of freedom and paid work on Quaker farms. Many slaves did run away to Pennsylvania and New Jersey. They toiled all Spring and Summer, and after the Fall harvest, the Quakers said “see you next Spring” and turned them out into the cold to freeze to death.
The Quakers also led the way in destroying ethnic Catholic neighborhoods in major cities like Philadelphia, Boston and Detroit.
The early ones were good. George Fox saw the horses and stable boys of England being badly sweated. He wouldn’t be part of that, so he walked instead of riding coach. That’s how he preached – shades of Jesus and Buddha.
Yet, a hundred years later they were many of the whalers out of Nantucket – blood money.
How did they destroy these neighborhoods? I heard the Friends didn’t like the Crackers sticking around Phillie, but liked the idea of them as Indian fighters on the frontier – so they helped them get out there.
So no good side whatsoever to them?
RD, Quite a few of my ancestors were Quakers. Like any group, those at the top (with plenty of money) were a different kettle of fish from the ordinary people. Most were plain folk who lived quiet, generous, principled lives. They worked hard and took care of their own. Two of mine were among the four Quakers
from the Germantown, Pennsylvania Meeting who signed the first organized protest against slavery in the Americas in 1688. There are some dubious people in any group, but Quakers probably did more to abolish slavery and to aid slaves in escaping (at some risk to themselves) than any other group. Your criticism is ill informed.
Only having pay and housing when you are actually working?
That is how capitalism works.
Of course I was being flippant, I’m sure there must have been a handful of decent Quakers, but like all fanatical groups, the bad outweighs the good.
I also don’t subscribe to the idea that abolitionism was a positive good or that the motives of the abolitionists were honest.
Paula, you are amazing. Let them eat cake, or in the words of our first dictator “root hog or die!”
Just stating the facts, RD, just the facts.
It’s a harsh system to humans.
Also harsh to animals and the environment.
” They toiled all Spring and Summer, and after the Fall harvest, the Quakers said “see you next Spring” and turned them out into the cold to freeze to death.
The Quakers also led the way in destroying ethnic Catholic neighborhoods in major cities like Philadelphia, Boston and Detroit.”
Sources, please.
Primary sources.
I would love to know how the Quakers—about 81,000 of them in the whole USA—were so powerful that they “led the way” in destroying ethnic enclaves in Philadelphia, Boston, and Detroit.
They sure must have some mojo!!
Quakers are not arrogant.
Yes, they are. If you don’t see it, it’s because you are like them.
No, they are not.
If you see it you are projecting. Except that you have probably never met a Quaker so it is just more MUS.
@badberries, I grew up close to Amish communities and have Anabaptist ancestors. Their way of life has always fascinated me, not necessarily because I want to live that way but because they’ve maintained it so successfully. They’re thoughtful and conservative about what they make use of from the wider culture, they never become dependent on it, and really require nothing except to be left alone.
I believe the key, like the key to a good school, church, business, or any other entity, is the ability and will to expel disruptive elements – the opposite of inclusion. You don’t have to belong to the community and no one compels you to stay; you have other options outside. But if you do stay, attempts to disassemble or subvert it from within won’t be tolerated. You share their beliefs or you leave.
I’m coming to believe that small, relatively self-sufficient communities that share a common set of beliefs would constitute a much more peaceful and satisfying world. We once had quite a few of those but most succumbed to internal contradictions or the seizure of power by authoritarian types. Still – they disappeared without much in the way of drama, and make interesting case studies as to what works and what doesn’t. I have a feeling we’ll be revisiting this model in the near future.
I also grew up close to Amish country. I was speaking with an Amish woman one day and I noticed a beautiful patch of mums in her yard. She had hundreds of bunches of mums of different colors. The type you see in store in the Fall. I asked her about them and she said that a neighbor had gifted her several mum plants. She separated them and planted them in her garden. She told me that she sells about 1,000 plants each Fall. At $10 bucks apiece. From a gift to a pretty substantial amount of money. The Amish are very good at things like that. I was at a farm auction in Carlisle, PA once, and two Amish guys showed up with suitcases full of cash. Millions of dollars. No joke. They were buying farm land and outbidding the slicks who showed up with their checkbooks.
Did you watch the show, The Amish Mafia? High comedy with a few grains of truth perhaps.
Pretend to be Amish to sell crap to tourists and a half Amish who never joined but never left will come to kick your ass.
Yes, expulsion is key. If a teacher could expel any student who didn’t want to learn, I might have been a teacher. The old European model. But all the professions have been denuded of respect. Pilots sleep in miserable little dormitories before their next flight. Respect is only for people who can make money or who already have it – no matter how.
No. I’ve never heard of it.
I wonder do they even use banks.
They’re never poor, even though they farm and are dependent on the weather and other elements out of their control. Unlike the rest of us, they just don’t buy things they don’t really need, and make much of what they do need. I used to like to page through the mail order catalog from which they bought things they couldn’t or didn’t wish to make. Everything was made to last as long as possible, preferably for your entire lifetime – like galvanized steel buckets with an enamel finish, aesthetically pleasing, never wear out.
My barn doors blew off during the 2009 derecho.
A guy came from Indiana, measured them and then got the Amish to make new ones.
My old ones were wood, but the new ones are metal.
@ RD:
I once talked with a young woman who had seen a TV show that disparaged the Amish–I think for their rejection of indoor plumbing.
My counter argument for most criticisms of the Amish would be: “They’re prosperous, and I’m not.” Their culture takes deadly aim at all the things that enslave us.
The problem is Rowdy, that our leaders won’t leave us alone. You will not only have to create such communities but defend them too.
Yep, the battles being fought now will determine whether we enter a slavery that will be nearly impossible to end.
Rowdy, I live and buy from the Amish Community nearby. My husband’s hobby is to make custom furniture and their saw mill saves him beautiful slabs of wood. They also help us with sawing or slabbing up trees.
One day, we stopped for some reason and the buggies were lined up at one house. The community came together and were butchering cows and pigs. They process enough meat for their whole community. They are decent people and I have to say I admire the whole concept. But at the same time we live alone in the middle of the woods, and the community aspect may be a little overwhelming.
@ Itzybytz:
I’m not close to an Amish community of any size, the nearest main road to me has a sign cautioning us that there may be buggies on the road. So I guess there are some around here.
The nearest Amish community of any size is about an hour-and-a-half drive. We attend their produce auctions occasionally and really enjoy the Amish stores.
One of my friends bought lumber from an Amish saw mill for the interior of her living room, and for a good price. (It was green wood, so she expected it to shrink and planned accordingly.)
I’ve always wondered how the Amish manage preserving meat, since they don’t hold with refrigeration. I suppose they can it.
@Anthea
They\ Amish do have refrigeration, by running gas operated generators and as you said they do can most things. We do can some of our meat, which we dry pack in jars and add some seasonings and it is tender and delicious after going through the process. We did the same thing with our turkey leftovers. We buy meat after the holidays when the turkey or hams are on sale and make and can soups or stews.
We found that the Amish are very fair with their pricing as far as any of the wood related work that they do for us.
During the summer we are also part of the local Mennonite Farmer’s Market. The Amish are there making donuts and selling their baked goods too. But it’s a nice mixture of all sorts of vendors. The setup, has a playground with picnic tables in the center that is shaded with huge trees. Families and friends meet for supper. We have many lakes and cabins in our area, so we have patrons from all over the world. I wrap crystal necklaces for my hobby and my first sale last year was from a Mother and Daughter from Sweden. It seems that there are a lot of us that collect rocks and crystals so I attract a lot of kids and parents that are there more for just looking at the new crystals that I have there for display and not for sale.
I kind of veered off the Amish, but being in the woods we are about 15 miles from great sources of many things.
@ Itzybytz:
I wish more farmers’ markets would give more attention to shade and places to sit–though most of them are in treeless parking lots with inadequate space. Even the newer facilities are often poorly designed. Quite a large percentage of the customers are elderly. They need to sit down from time to time. Of course, one option that I never thought of when I was doing farmers’ markets was to provide some seating in front of my booth–one or two folding chairs.
I LOVED doing the markets. Maybe we’ll a lot more of that kind of thing in the future. During all the covid nonsense, when so many business were shut down and so many people out of work, our local farmers’ market was inundated with people who wanted to become new vendors. The market master could not add any new vendors, due to very limited space.
The answer to that is to organize new farmers’ markets in new locations. The county and state governments make this process a PITA, so people would have to be serious about it, and committed.
@Itzybytz, We have a small nearby Amish community and store where we shop for everything we can. They make their own smoked meats and cheeses making use of pretty much the same techniques our forefathers all used – smokehouses, spring houses, root cellars, etc.
The store is lit by skylights and can be a bit dim inside on a cloudy day. The real treat is the Amish kids. They work next to their parents, and are unfailingly sweet, polite,artless, and eager to help. It’s a revelation, and a glimpse into a lost world. We usually come out with tears in our eyes, as if we’d been expelled from paradise. I know, of course, that it’s made by humans and isn’t paradise at all. But the helpfulness, kindness, and firmness feels so good.
Anthea,
We have a very active farmer’s market here, but it is too far for me to get to on foot (ca. 4 mi). Also, I do live next-door to a supermarket . . .
My beef, though, is that the village where the farmer’s market is held is totally clogged with parked cars every Saturday. Everyone drives to the farmer’s market in their new-model SUVs. Maybe some of them are EVs, but that doesn’t affect the intrusiveness of the market on the village . We have a fairly good mass transit system here, so virtually everyone could get there by bus.
My point: 1. We need farmer’s markets to be close enough to walk or to bike to.
2. People should be *strongly* encouraged to take public transit. Maybe we need to institute shuttle buses to the farmer’s market.
Rowdy apparently doesn’t think diversity is our strength.
@rowdypiglet All of my childhood and a great deal of my young adulthood was lived in western Montana. At the time, there were no Amish but there were settlements of Hutterites; a sect with similar origins, values and conduct.
We bought Capons and veggies from them. My mom used to tease me about the Hutterite girls eyeballing me. They made outstanding wines and they weren’t above getting the buzz on.
They were no-nonsense farmers and they didn’t really give a rats butt about Govt. rules regarding the “endangered species” status of the Grizzly Bear. If a Grizzly became a “Problem Bear”, tore-up a coop or the bee hives. That “problem” didn’t get reported to the “authorities”, it got handled.
As with any “reproductively closed” system, the writing is on the wall – extinction.
Too many recessive genes being expressed.
The last reliable up-date that I know of (c. 1990’s) stated that none of the Amish, Mennonite or Hutterites members would soon be any further apart genetically than 2nd cousins and many closer to 1st.
The “reproductively closed” systems, at large, are aware of the problem and are attempting to influence the directions in the gene pools.
I have been to fund raising auctions for “special needs” kids. Downs Syndrome, Palsy, other physical handicaps, just something that doesn’t look quite right.
My woman is the lead for the Hospice group in our hospital. She’s made visits to Amish and others.
She told me that not only do they eschew electricity and gas they also are prohibited from using any analgesics, they die screaming in absolute agony, as Jesus did and as God intended.
Fun way to go huh?
@badberries, I said they interested me; I didn’t say they were perfect. When I look at a group of people, I consider them in the same way I would an individual person. I may find almost all of a given person’s ideas stupid or abhorrent, but they may have one great idea with which I agree completely and which I would espouse. In the present climate, it’s often assumed that means you are somehow an adherent, a fan, or a cult member, and that you mindlessly repeat and support every stance and belief of that particular group or person. I don’t roll that way.
I find the Amish interesting as one of the few cohesive groups that have managed to survive and maintain their fundamental ideas, morals, ethics, and religion. That’s rare and interesting to me. I look at them with the thought that they can teach us something about how to resist and prevent the kind of infiltration and loss of purpose that has overcome mainstream religious groups, academia, etc.. I think there’s something to learn from them. That doesn’t mean I would mindlessly adopt their way of life, though there are aspects of it that are appealing.
@rowdypiglet I didn’t mean to say or suggest that you were anything other than interested in them and their ways.
I’m curious about them as well, they are good farmers and craftsmen. We can all benefit from the skills they possess after the oncoming train wreck.
I know a Mennonite family, they have 16 children. The school house is on their property and sits vacant. The last time we were to see them, the patriarch asked me if I knew how to make wine as he didn’t want to depend on the neighbors anymore.
None among us is perfect and I make allowance of that. I hate discrimination in any form and have one simple belief in re: other peoples actions, you can do anything you want as long as nobody gets hurt.
I should think that given the heightened interest in the Amish way of life, there would be a new group of outsiders interested in marrying in to the group and bringing some new genes.
Also, if they are really practical and serious about surviving as a group, they will figure out a way to find “outside” fathers for young women and let the women remain within their community to raise their children in a protected environment.
I read recently that there was a black man who was part of the Lewis & Clark expedition, and the young women of Indian tribes they encountered were very eager to welcome him into their tents—-they immediately recognized some good fresh genes and took advantage of the offering. This was in a book titled “Sacajawea,” a novelization of the life of Sacajawea that hewed very closely to the info in various journals kept during the expedition (and other scant historical evidence after the expedition ended).
I consider hope to be a dangerous narcotic that lulls one into not taking action to prevent disaster. I know a lot of people have a taste for it, especially when life gets difficult, just as they turn to other drugs in similar circumstances.
In the hinterlands where I dwell, the small people continue on, working dead-end jobs, on disability, on AFDC, “medicating” themselves with whatever drug to which they have access. (Personally, I’m glad they now have legal access to weed, in order to turn them away from dangerous drugs like alcohol and opiates.) They aren’t raising their own food, and their kids are inside the trailer nursing their addiction to “social media”.
To the north and west of me are Amish communities providing an example of how we should be living, but no one takes them seriously. Not yet anyway.
y’day I bought a book, ‘The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F—‘.
ITS A BEST SELLER.
The gist seems to be along John Lennons quote>
life happens while u r bz making plans.
Yes, pot turns people into vegetables. Alcohol to beasts. But even pot can be dangerous if given to dangerous people, since it suppresses their weak ego structure and mind.
Cannabis can be used for good or ill – and I think most people abuse it.
Alcohol, opiates, just about everything else, only ill.
Please explain this.
Receiving the Blood of Christ at communion is only for ill? When a patient is anesthetized with morphine after a horrible car wreck, that is for evil?
Oh wait, that’s MY drug of choice it’s ok. YOUR drug of choice now… is NOT OK !!!!
Tell the person who’s back got destroyed in some war in some fuck shithole country, who has to use morphine just to be able to get out of bed without passing out from the pain, that the opiate they are using, is just for their evil intents?
What about caffeine? That’s a drug, is it necessary? Necessary- NECESSARY to live, or just socially accepted?
ANY drug or item period can be used for good or bad. pretending some are more or less ‘good’ is rather ignorant.
Yes, I painted with too broad a brush, didn’t I?
I was speaking more of “self-medicating” or “recreational” use.
Without the cocaine in coca leaves, the Ince Empire probably wouldn’t have been possible.
Heroin was truly heroic for pain relief.
You can’t have a Blitzkreig without amphetamines.
You smacked me with the same glove I used to smack Jaros.
Alcohol does NOT turn people into beasts. They always WERE that way, the booze just lets them think it’s ok to ACT ON IT. Ive also seen plenty of pot heads who are paranoid as shit, who are just as dangerous as any raging drunk because of the pot induced paranoia.
Ive seen people try to use that bullshit excuse so many times. Well, it was the booze, the booze made me destroy his place and vandalize and and… oh really? That’s funny, because when I get drunk off my ass, I don’t find any urges to just destroy stuff because it’s ‘fun’ I also don’t find the urge to ‘beat someone’s ass’ overwhelming my inner adult saying, you can’t just ‘beat up people’ because you don’t like them… either.
Again, the substance is not the problem the PEOPLE are. Just like guns don’t pull their own triggers….
Yes. That is the Puritan urge to blame the substance/vice. etc. instead of the fallenness of man. They also, always try to create a legal cure. There are no technical solutions to moral problems.
Legalize everything – and watch it all burn.
The Truth is in the middle. But you are an ideologue.
Libertarianism is a mind virus every bit as virulent as Islam, Feminism, Communism, etc.
Alcohol lowers inhibitions against doing dumb things. We all have dumb ideas and intentions. Not you of course!
Mohammad let ONE of his many disciples drink because he went into spiritual ecstasy when he drank. Every one else went the other way.
The distinction between being alive or dead – only one way to find out if it really exists.
“To sleep, perchance to dream-
ay, there’s the rub.”
An increasing number of our elderly dead-but-won’t-lie-down overlords are already halfway wherever it is they are going, which makes me believe more and more in a literal Hell.
I’ve been a devout atheist most of my life, but I’m now questioning that as I see pure evil taking control of the world now.
I’m even thinking it’s time to flood it again.
Fire, not flood this time.
I never understood why religious people find that comforting.
Hi Paula, a good starting point is the book of Daniel. Chuck Missler is an excellent expositor and has done his research into what is coming. Look him up on YT. Our struggle is not with flesh and blood but with powers, principalities and wickedness in high places…
Because fire is supposed to be cleansing, all consuming, all destroying. It WILL destroy the evil, it’s FIRE afterall.
Yet ironically their arch enemy, whom they can not control or destroy, Satan, lives comfortably in it and if you do not follow THEIR rules, you will be sent to burn in it for all eternity.
So it can can cleanse and destroy any evil, except YOU if you disobey them.
Go figure the fairy tales.
Yes, we lack the glacial mass to re-run the Flood scenario.
Robert Schoch and Randall Carlson have some interesting things to say on this matter. I have gone from thinking the Flood was somehow metaphorical, to being convinced (~90% certainty) that it actually happened.
I agree, Blackbird. I listened to Randall Carson on Joe Rogan and he makes a good case.
But now we have nuclear weapons, so the fire next time is also likely.
There are flood myths around the world iirc from similar time periods.
Yes, marym and that makes it more believable that it actually happened.
There is a fair amount of evidence that a cataclysmic geological event occurred to create the Black Sea as it now is.
httpX://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis
An asteroid.
Since he’s been mentioned, this article is a good introduction to Paul Kingsnorth. I think many of us will relate to his long but ultimately fruitless attempt to flee from Christianity. He’s also a wonderful writer.
hxxps://www.firstthings.com/article/2021/06/the-cross-and-the-machine
Interesting. The evil that has revealed itself over the past 8 years or so has actually pushed me back toward religion.
I went AWOL for 20 years and it was the evil of the covid agenda (and the rest) that brought me back into the fold. Mark Crispin Miller was brought up a standard secular-type academic and he joined the Christian church as a response to the evil behind all this. It’s happening a lot. Even Mike Yeadon says he prays these days. There is going to be no fence to stand on eventually.
Well, not brought up as an academic obviously – I mangled two sentences into one there!
It really is interesting. Not just tossing that in as fluff.
I am rather cynical and ofc know there are some terrible people out there, but the sort of evil behind what we have lived through, and the scale, is simply beyond what I had considered.
Watching interviews with some of these people, it becomes clear that they have no moral compass whatsoever, yet they do not come across like a Charles Manson/serial killer type.
Also interesting is to see how many willingly went along with it — particularly ones that I don’t think are on the level of perhaps a Harari, like Ardern or Boris.
Then again, perhaps I am wrong about Ardern and Boris and underestimate them as well.
But what does you god REALLY think about those who ignored him all these years, only to run crying for help when they see their ass in a jam?
Gotta love those Christians who goto church twice a year out of guilt.
Dunno – maybe the same as he thinks of smug people?
I’m guessing you never read the parable of the prodigal son? I heard it a few times in the 50 years that I went to church every week.
I used to think that various little sins were not really so bad, and even that Original Sin was fairly understandable. But there’s something about seeing evil unmasked–as we have more recently witnessed–that makes you more aware of what you’re dealing with. This stuff is diabolical. You get to thinking that maybe you shouldn’t compromise with it, or start making a deal.
Part of our trouble is that we don’t know what “good” is. Or, I suppose you could say, as Ann Barnhart puts it, the Beatific Vision is unimaginable and incomprehensible to us, along the lines of, “But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.”
People who have had NDEs usually report that such an experience is shattering–mainly because they have to come back here, and this is a very dark place.
Agreed, Anthea. That’s what makes a smug comment like ‘only to run crying for help when they see their ass in a jam?’ so off the mark.
My ass isn’t going to be saved and that’s not remotely what I’m hoping for. My ass is done for specifically because, as you say, I’m not going to compromise with the beast, the Machine, or whatever one wants to call it.
Have you even read Paul Kingsnorth? He’s a British environmentalist living in Ireland, who joined the Orthodox Church a few years ago (his long path to it is described on his site). He has written about covid, as part of the Machine, but mostly he writes more broadly. His site is called The Abbey of Misrule and a lot of his writing is about resisting the Machine. I find him an antidote to the nitty gritty of the covid agenda and political shenanigans, even though I can’t follow suit and get a cottage in the sticks in Ireland.
That was meant to read ‘have you EVER read, not ‘have you even read’!
@ GreenAlba:
I’ll check out Paul Kingsnorth.
Re orthodoxy, I’ve always felt that we all knew right from wrong in our hearts, and I saw little need to get all legalistic about it.
But we’ve seen where that leads, haven’t we? I’m just about convinced to stick with the magesterium–though there are a couple of things that I still disagree with. One of them is that I’m not supposed to go in for astrology, which I have studied intermittently for about 50 years. I see no more harm in using it too peek into the future than I see in checking the weather forecast.
Overall though, the very formal and legal structure of the magesterium is a strong defense against all the doofus stuff that we are too prone to believe, and, maybe most importantly, it is the defense of both the individual and society against predators. The idealistic among us tend to underestimate how many predators there are running around out there, and how eager they are to take advantage of the innocent. Someone has to issue a very stern “no.” Otherwise we’ll be too easily convinced to move in with the boyfriend (because we love him) and drop the kid off at daycare (because we can’t trust him to provide).
While I don’t subscribe to any religion, despite being raised in a Protestant Christian household, I think that it is a good idea for most people. Religion provides a moral compass that most people lack. The solipsistic universe that most inhabit is disastrous when those universes collide as they constantly do.
Also, while I am confident that I can use substances such as cannabis, LSD, mescaline, and psilocybin in a constructive way, I don’t know even one other person in whom I have the same confidence. Therefore I don’t advocate “self-medication” or the recreational use of any “mind-altering” substance – though I think the individual should be free to choose.
I do, however, think that there is something animating life, beyond physical existence. I think of it as a consciousness, an omnipotent, omniscient, eternal consciousness – but what do I know? Nothing. (Paradoxically, the one thing that I do know.)
But I’m pretty sure of one thing: the wonder of life is not accidental. Plying the tools of science has only deepened this certainty for me. Hard for me to understand how a scientist can be an athiest.
Me too.
O yes. There is life after.
Enjoy the “is the DA coming for him today?” distraction last week?
It had Showdown At The OK Corral overtones, didn’t it?
Would Heavy D refuse to extradite, and defend Mar-A-Lago as if it were the Alamo or something?
Do governors actually get involved in extradition? Because I’m pretty sure they don’t, I’m reasonably certain it’s a court thing.
Yep, Beryl. It was either true and the Dems/DS are actually crazy enough to go after Trump, or knowing Trump, it could just as equally have been him doing a publicity stunt. The world is so crazy right now that either theory could be correct. One thing is for certain, if they do come for Trump, don’t bother demonstrating in protest. He’ll leave you out to dry like the J6 folks.
I have never quite understood the logic behind your last sentence.
If he was going to help the J6 folks falsely imprisoned, his best means of doing so would be to put himself in a position where he had a fighting chance to stop the psychopaths who are trying to imprison him, too.
Had he come out and campaigned to get those imprisoned released, it is quite likely that we would have seen more than a raid on Mar-a-Lago.
I don’t think people appreciate what the guy was up against. What would you have done? Honestly.
If Trump were to somehow return to office, I’m sure he would pardon the J6 crowd. Outside of that, what can he do now? He lacks the power to pardon them. I agree that the argument that he abandoned them doesn’t hold water.
Trump’s greatest fault is/was his pimping of the poison jab. He is such an incredible self promoter that he just had to take credit for that, too. I haven’t paid attention to him for the past couple years. Is he still out there taking credit for the death shots?
I find that those kinds of statements usually come from those who believed that quote the media circulated about Trump supposedly calling them “idiots” or something to that effect.
What always amused me is that the quote came from an unidentified source and was circulated by the usual McMedia clown cars.
Why would anyone take that quote at face value?
If you remember.
When the shit first hit the fan about covid. Nobody knew much anything about it, and the shots were unknown what they would do. Of COURSE he is going to pimp them, they were supposed to be a savior!
Time passed, the truth was found out. You can NOT fault him for wanting to help the people with what was supposed to be a life saving shot.
NOW ON THAT…. fast forward to today…..
With all the news on what those shots REALLY WERE. he should man up and say, I was wrong. I didn’t know then, I DO KNOW NOW. and the shots are DEATH!
Yes he is arrogant, and he does need to own up to the fact that he got suckered in just like the rest of us in the beginning. Pretending THAT didn’t happen or ignoring it, is not helping him really.
So in your vast reserve of knowing everything. What should he have done to help them? What exactly should he have done, that he was actually ABLE to do, to help them.
Or is this another one of those, ‘Somebody Do Something’ moments?
Here’s the latest from Seymour Hersh on the pipelines that this country blew up, in case anyone hasn’t seen it yet.
THE COVER-UP
The Biden Administration continues to conceal its responsibility for the destruction of the Nord Stream pipelines
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/the-cover-up
Wait, didn’t a few Ukrainian yachtsmen do that while on a 2 week pleasure cruise?
A three hour tour, I heard. That professor was pretty smart, he coulda done it.
Gilligan or the Skipper?
They found the 3 half eaten coconut shells, the skippers brown dildo and mrs howell’s bra that was used to build the remote detonator.
it’s got Ukraine written all over it!!
It’s not a secret now, is it?
It amazes me that anyone even needed Hersh to tell them this stuff.
Haha. I agree. When I was 12 I realized that the US government was irretrievably evil and every utterance was a lie.
I sensed W Europe was in trouble way back in ’82. I also knew first hand the US way was a latent beast.
Ergo, NS2.
Jim is on the mark in citing Desmet’s book on Mass Formation Psychosis, which describes the process by which much of the American public has been convinced that up is down and black is white.
Desmet’s book, in turn, had its foundation in Gustave Le Bon’s book The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind, which focuses on how Mass Formation Psychosis manifested during the French Revolution. As you may have gathered, it wasn’t pretty.
And it won’t be.
And before that, “Extraordinary Popular Delusions & the Madness of Crowds,” ~ Charles Mackay, 1841.
The individual is like that in and of themselves. The crowd just gives them permission to act it out. Or the authority figure in a white coat. Or the little men behind the curtain who manipulate the crowd…..
Desmet doesn’t like it when people add ‘psychosis’ to his ‘mass formation’ theory. It didn’t come from him. Malone uses it.
I give up.
I submitted a similar response on an older thread and I apologize for the dup but I think this is interesting.
Twice this week I found myself eating lunch and watching the ‘Free’ movie channel w/ subtitles on.
#1. I was watching The Ballad of Cable Hogue, the dialog line was; we better stop pussy-footing around” the censor X’d out pussy.
#2 I was watching Tony Rome w/ Sinatra, the dialog line was, “where did you meet him? I was cocktailing in NYC”. The censor X’d out cock even though it was spoken
And yet we are bombarded with porn and gratuitous sex.
Ever heard the lyrics to that rap garbage? But of course, they are the chosen people…
I guess the message is, “Don’t say it, just do it!“
You have caudacity to say Blacks can be racist?
“Caudacity”? I like it.
Yes, blacks can be racist. According to a recent poll, about half of blacks in the US think it is “not ok” to be white. The proportion was probably much lower before Barry-O – the Divider-in-Chief – was coronated.
They should have X’d out “meet” too…
Good catch, I’ll give you a excellent reference if you want the job. lol
“I would propose that we have probably achieved peak brain-softening now in this land.”
I long for this to be true but suspect there are further levels of stupid to explore.
We’re WAY BEYOND prosecutions.
A possible scenario is someone somewhere taking an action of resistance which sets off an upheaval. An avalanche of events…
Then again Proctoplasm-r-us?
“The transgender movement has crystalized into the Party of Chaos’s favored instrument for enforcing its ethos of unreality on a population obdurately stuck on thinking in categories, on making hateful distinctions between things”
The “movement” has 2 aims:
1) Distract and divide (and it’s succeeding) while the elite continue to bleed everything dry and amass more wealth and power
2) Condition humanity to the near future of engineered and augmented humans, into trans-humanism
Keep your eye on the $
Yes, exactly. Just like the entertainment industry is continually searching for the next big hit, the elite players are always developing the next greivance group in which to execute divide and control.
Really, it’s just like any production line process, with the added benefit of incorporating subsequent tranches into the overall government support groups.
It works as long as there is sufficient capital base in which to extract taxes and institute transfer payments, or in our case, use the dollar reserve to print and spend.
It really is quite beautiful and elegant, especially how evil is cloaked in a mantle of virtue and honesty. How is the normal range IQ supposed to process and/or refute? They can’t, they don’t, which is why the world has always been run by intelligent sociopaths.
Look at someone as bright as our host, yet it took over 70 years for him to shed the brain controlling narrative installed so long ago.
It’s sometimes said that our ‘foreign’ bases are unsinkable carriers. Full truth and awareness is reached when you realize the USA itself is just another outpost, with the native heritage population just an annoying local problem to be managed by base command.
Yes, they went from Trotskyites to Republicans – and the rubes accepted their leadership of the Republican Party. Thus?
Thus democracy is contra-indicated. The sheep cannot contend with the wolves, but must be protected by sheep dogs who as large and fierce as wolves.
You won’t have the next big hit in the entertainment industry if you aren’t up front with the right Woke opinions.
“Look at someone as bright as our host, yet it took over 70 years for him to shed the brain controlling narrative installed so long ago.”
I was subjected to the classic liberal worldview as a young woman, but I wouldn’t exactly say that it was installed. I always vigorously objected to some aspects of it, but I think it naturally appeals to the idealistic young. Utopian plans for a perfect society are easy to believe in when you don’t yet understand either human nature or the intransigence of real things.
The shedding of earlier beliefs is an ongoing process, not a sudden enlightenment. They’re simply eroded by one’s life experience until they reach a point where what’s left of them needs but a little tap.
For me, what was left of my liberalism (not very much) was undone by the malicious lying and chicanery surrounding the election of Trump, and the deranged and desperate attempts to silence people who wouldn’t say what they were told to. The excision of the concept of free speech from the idea of liberalism was the proverbial straw.
It can happen naturally, yes. But it can be greatly speeded up or slowed down and stopped by psychological predeliction. I always took pride in the inner work, seeing it as necessary and noble. Most hate it or don’t even know it exists. The former won’t do it and will resist all efforts to get them to do it. Their inner stuff IS them, no mater how wrong. The latter typically can’t be made to understand it – not until they are ripe.
@Jarek, The woke have their perverse version of the inner work you speak of. It’s embedded in their New Age replacements for religion, all of which are imbued with the idea that you should unreservedly love yourself and everything you do (all of which should be affirmed by everyone you come in contact with). Should the (almost) unthinkable happen and you do something even you cannot abide, you simply forgive yourself!
They genuinely believe that these falsely therapeutic and narcissistic reflections on one’s own greatness are what inner work is, and what enables them to live their authentic selves, etc.
Anything difficult, challenging, or self-critical is anathema. I’m not going to claim I’m better than they are, but I at least have read St. Thomas Aquinas and realize there IS a better.
“Finding the precise word for the heart’s tone means not lying to oneself, as in the case of hating a bad smell or loving a beautiful person, also called respecting one’s nose.
On this account the real man has to look his heart in the eye even when he is alone.”
Tseng’s comments on the Great Learning from Ezra Pound’s book on Confucianism
Look one’s own heart in the eye – the lost art of introspection, beautifully put forth by ancient Chinese culture.
“For me, what was left of my liberalism (not very much) was undone by the malicious lying and chicanery surrounding the election of Trump,”
Ditto. It really was shocking.
I wasn’t really a Trump supporter. For me, living in Mass., it didn’t matter what I thought or how I voted.
But in the summer of 2016 I started to notice the total double standards on how Trump supporters and their rallies etc. were treated, and how there was no insult and language to scurrilous to be leveled at Trump. . It was alarming.
By Nov. I had decided to vote for Trump just to spit in Hillary’s eye here in Mass. What followed between the election and the inauguration confirmed my perception of the dirty fight being waged against Trump, and his presidency. There was something very wrong with the picture. No one liked Nixon, either, nor even Bush—but they got easy rides from the Dems.
Then of course Trump made it worse by his dimwittedness in choosing his cabinet . . .
For me, the disenchantment with “the establishment” started at an early age, mainly because I was a young adult during the Viet Nam War. The war never made any sense, yet it was widely supported all the way into the 70s. The reason it enjoyed such wide support, at least in the area where I grew up, was because one of the area’s chief employers was the Lake City Army Ammunition plant.
To any person with any halfway normal sensibilities, it’s disturbing to think that everyone around you is strongly in favor of killing brown people on the other side of the world–and sending their sons off to be killed–for reasons of job security.
When you see people do this, you begin to suspect that there’s very little they won’t do.
The Milgram Experiment.
It’s also simply that perverts are gonna pervert. These are people who can’t stop. There always has to be something else to drool over. I wonder what’s next? Pedophilia (oops, sorry, “minor attraction”!) and bestiality are already knocking at the door.
Thank you for today’s post, Jim. There’s so much in there!
I think the transgender movement is starting to lose some momentum. I think it has directly affected enough women that a few more of them are starting to speak up. J.K. Rowling of course started this trend. You can do that when you are a billionaire, because getting cancelled doesn’t hurt as much. I still acknowledge her sacrifice not to be a feted A-lister of Hollywood anymore (although she lives at Killiechassie in Scotland). It is always interesting to watch the left eat it’s own when one of their causes is being compromised by another. So regardless of how great her philanthropy had become, J.K. Rowling’s expressed opinions on transgender women not actually being women meant she had to go.
Since her cancellation, however, other women have started to speak up. One was a teammate of swimmer Leah Thomas. World Track and Field just came out with a definitive ruling that if you transitioned to female after puberty, you can’t compete in the women’s division. USA Cycling National Cyclocross Championships in Hartford had online protests this weekend.
I think the fear of speaking up is starting to fade. The risk of not speaking up is to lose in events that women have spent years preparing for. And not only that, letting men in who not only win events, but set records that will never be broken by female competitors means these sports will be permanently disfigured (pun intended).
I wish the World organization had just come out and said no MEN in women’s sports.
They always concede just that little bit, like they are being reasonable compromisers.
These people pushing this agenda aren’t the least bit reasonable.
“if you transitioned to female after puberty, you can’t compete in the women’s division.”
And if you transitioned before puberty, your parents should be shot.
Yes, she recently opened up a shelter for women only – no trannies allowed. With her own money.
She had redeemed herself. Before she was an advocate for mass 3rd World immigration and many asked how many of them was she putting up. Zero of course.
I assume she still believes in this evil crap. But at least she is balancing it out with good words and deeds, and self sacrifice.
You probably all saw the amusing video of someone circulating through a protest favoring mass immigration in Ireland. He had a clipboard and was asking people to sign up to take in an immigrant or immigrant family. Unsurprisingly, no takers, but these people are really skilled at just fading away when confronted.
“J.K. Rowling’s expressed opinions on transgender women not actually being women meant she had to go.”
Rumours of her going are greatly exaggerated …
It’s generally considered that she saw off Nicola Sturgeon, whose nonsense woke up a lot of people who had no idea of what was going on.
Now JK is criticising Humza Yousuf, (aka Humza Useless) who’s the Sturgeon continuity candidate for SNP leader (membership election results on Monday, if I’m not mistaken). Some hope he will win, which will finish off the SNP – the party is haemorrhaging members just now because of the woke crap that he still supports. He says he’ll fight the UK veto on the SNP’s gender self-ID, which most of actual Scotland opposes.
Humza was the one behind the legislation to make hate speech illegal in your own home.
About the only encouraging thing in the UK just now is that it’s known to the trans mob as TERF Island.
What does TERF stand for?
Apologies if I am being dumb.
Not at all. It’s Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist. 🙂
But for the trans mob, it’s anyone who doesn’t agree with their ideology. The worst activists have exhortations in their social media posts to ‘kill TERFS’ and nobody cancels them for hate speech. They even say in their posts sometimes that they know they can get away with anything because everyone is afraid of them.
GA,
Rumours of her going are greatly exaggerated.
You may be right. I just think her example showed others they could speak up too. She hasn’t opened the floodgates of dissent; but it’s a steady drip, drip, drip. I’m hoping enough young women boycott their events that more sports governing bodies have to rethink their policies.
The trans agenda is coming from the top, just like the open borders.
It makes no difference what the population thinks about either agenda, it will continue.
Just like the wars. They manufacture consent for a while, but then when the consent fades, the wars, the immigrants, the perverts allowed to pervert, continue. Because it isn’t about what we want.
This is toe-tapping comedy, Jim. Were you high when you wrote it?
You are always low when you write yours.
What has separated the US from the world up to about 2008. Exceptionalism, entrepenuership, freedom to excel, the same items that has drawn millions of people into the country, legally for two centuries.
So if someone wants to bring this country down, attack these three items. It is exactly that means that BRICS+, the WEF and the DNC have used to tear the country down.
An unanswered question, Why? Why do the hoi polloi of this country want to tear down this country? Are they so stupid that they think they will make things better?
They are definitely being used by global forces that do have a reason to tear us down. Soros, Schwab and the gang of Biden have been using the border as their cause Celebre and are succeeding in seeding the US as a socialistic mediocre place. Every mediocre deviation of the country can be blamed on the border invasion.
To stop the “bleeding”, build the wall. Number one, two and three priority for the next hopefully conservative president. Trump effed up by kowtowing to the Deep State regarding the wall, we are paying for that now.
@John
” Why do the hoi polloi of this country want to tear down this country?”
You are about to get whacked, and you are still spouting jingoistic mumbo jumbo.?.
That is your absolute and codified right, but you might want to bend over and give your hiney a little peck on the cheeks before you go.
Thank you, for the chuckle this morning.
~toktomi~
You don’t need to build a physical wall to protect the border, John.
They have satellites, they have cameras, they have an entire Border Patrol.
The reason the border is open is because your overlords want it open.
My sister and her husband were stopped and searched and harassed by the Border Patrol as they were driving from California to Texas, with no intention of crossing the border. They were miles away from the border.
Why would the Border Patrol hassle two obvious Americans, and let 7 million obviously not-Americans traverse the border unmolested?
If you think it’s a lack of wall you are wrong.
“Why would the Border Patrol hassle two obvious Americans, and let 7 million obviously not-Americans traverse the border unmolested?”
Its called anarcho-tyranny.
The wall would serve physical and psychological ends. As the economy craters, it could be a 21st century Works Progress Administration project. Take millions of unemployed Americans and put them to work building thousands of miles of wall on the Southern border and, when they are done with that, start on a wall on the Northern border. Put a guard tower ever 100 yards and man the towers with soldiers brought home when we close down all of our foreign military bases.
I get your point, but I think there are far more worthy and necessary projects to do to improve this country.
Building a wall seems like a major waste of labor and materials, when the rest of the country is crumbling.
The original WPA and CCC built parks and planted trees (three billion trees), built post offices and painted murals in them, gave concerts to the rural poor and also brought electricity to them, built bridges and roads and trails.
I remember walking to the next town when I was a kid, and crossing a bridge that had WPA 1936 stamped into the concrete. That was in LA. They put men to work there also.
Here in rural Illinois, we still have an electric co-op, a national park with trails and a lodgehouse, and the town next door has a park with an amphitheater where they hold concerts. The amphitheater is also concrete and also stamped with the WPA logo.
My town has a post office built by the WPA, which is now used for poor people sell their plasma. I think that is a good example of how far down this country has fallen.
A wall keeps people from coming in at other than the legal ports of entry, in theory.
Anyone entering from anywhere else is obviously intent on breaking the law, not looking for asylum, but the federal government doesn’t want to see it that way.
How do the Japanese protect their borders [ sovereignty ]?
The Japanese tried to protect their sovereignty, but Admiral Perry took care of that.
They are nothing but pawns of the US now.
Despite all of their social problems, the Japanese have never diluted their population by importing masses of foreigners. They have remained more or less homogenous. They will always have the potential to rebuild their culture/nation/society. We no longer have that option.
We have enough money to do it all,
Build more libraries plus build a wall.
RD said, “We no longer have that option.”
By mentioning the Japanese I was expecting someone to point out that just being IN Japan does not make you Japanese. You are not accepted by your presence.
messianicdruid,
So true. The lie of the credal/propositional nation. Say a few magic words and POOF you’re an “American.”
Paula hates the very idea of ethnically homogenous nations, being a “People” with mystic chords of memory, shared cultured, etc.
Nations are nothing but “countries” to her, random assortments of people, with culture just being a means eating and “jobs”.
Yet she thinks that such deracinated, decultured domesticated apes are going to form communities? Why? How? With what? They have nothing in common.
Those wall-building jobs will only go to illegals and the jihadis-in-waiting that we so enthusiastically import.
The irony!
I just looked up what the WPA built, because I only know the things that I personally benefitted from.
“The WPA built, improved or renovated 39,370 schools; 2,550 hospitals; 1,074 libraries; 2,700 firehouses; 15,100 auditoriums, gymnasiums and recreational buildings; 1,050 airports, 500 water treatment plants, 12,800 playgrounds, 900 swimming pools; 1,200 skating rinks, plus many other structures. It also dug more than 1,000 tunnels; surfaced 639,000 miles of roads and installed nearly 1 million miles of sidewalks, curbs and street lighting, in addition to tens of thousands of viaducts, culverts and roadside drainage ditches.
“A vast amount of our physical and cultural infrastructure went up between 1933 and 1940,” said Robert Leighninger, author of Long-range Public Investment: The Forgotten Legacy of the New Deal. “To paraphrase Winston Churchill, never in our history has so much been built for so many in so little time and been so thoroughly forgotten.”
I remember an episode of The Waltons where the grandmother was expressing her contempt for the men who would take such jobs, considering it a government handout.
@PaulaD, They also employed writers and editors for the WPA Federal Writers’ Project, which produced quite a few interesting collections of local history. I have several of these and, for rural areas that were of little importance except to those who lived there, these are pretty much the only extant histories. They did many interviews with former slaves and compiled a ton of historical information. Worth looking into, and most are (I think) now online.
Imagine what a WPA camp would look like now ~ daily mandatory CRT/ Hate Whitey sessions, Crips & Bloods ruling the barracks, quotas for illegals, homosexuals, and blacks, vegan meals ~ and overseeing the whole project a few overweight Transvestites wearing red pumps & black fishnet stockings.
BRH I think we have those camps now, at our universities, and people are getting paid to espouse nonsense, but they have no idea it’s a handout, in fact they think they are geniuses who got where they are through merit, the merit being that they are owed.
I actually listened to one of those interviews with a former slave.
She was a kid when she was freed and she sounded rather indignant about being “turned out as if we were animals”.
I had never thought of it like that before.
Yeah, the WPA and CCC were not only life-saving for many, they produced almost all of the infrastructure that made the US an attractive place to live.
The Walton granny thought it was more dignified to watch your children starve than to build infrastructure for the country?
No accounting for taste.
I have read that most illegal aliens come here legally then overstay their visas.
If we really wanted to end illegal immigration – and we don’t – we would prosecute those who hire illegal aliens.
The “border wall” is just another distraction, another shiny object to blind us.
Instead of blaming the poor and uneducated brown people, how about doing something about the “naturalized” alien pushing them here and setting Mayorkas’ agenda:
Soros.
How about we blame them all.
Good old, RD. A Philosopher who doesn’t let people get away with picking and choosing unwisely.
That is akin to blaming the children for eating all the cookies after Daddy upended the cookie jar and told them to have at it.
Or blaming the 5 year old that liked wearing baseball hats instead of the parents and the doctors who put her on transitioning hormone “therapy”.
You two dole out injustice equally to the exploiters and the exploited.
The US and its NGO stakeholders are producing TV, Radio, and internet programs, advertising, and guides encouraging migration. The so-called border enforcement agencies are letting them in and letting them go, and the contact partners are resettling them and helping them acquire services throughout the land. All part of the “open society” agenda and all through donations and funding from the same (and the taxpayers) but yeah, let’s punch down. It’s easier.
I’m with you, RD. No sympathy blamed on skin tone.
“Based”, not “blamed”.
These are grown men, Connie. If they have the wherewithal to show up at another country’s border, they know what they are doing.
I’m not blaming the illegals – if I were in their shoes, I’d probably make the walk too. It takes some ambition to sneak into this country and work under-the-table. I’ve worked with Mexican illegals (as well as legal migrant workers). Hard working people for the most part. As a farm worker, I could never keep up.
I am blaming the traitors among us.
Blackbird isn’t falling into their hate trap.
Well said
They’re enemies and your duty is to be angry at them (not with them) and to hate them, philosophically (not personally).
If you refuse this duty, you are a poor citizen.
Citizen?
Of what? Of where?
We are consumers and our job is to consume whatever they’re dishing from mis-info to experimental gene therapy to gluten-free cheesy poofs, to J6 insurrection narratives, to climate change, to jingoism when they need bodies to die in some strange land so thay they may accrue more wealth and power.
Or else!
Congrats Jarek for knowing, and accepting, your role.
Now why would I hate someone who does not abide by what their local political masters have in store for them? Their allegiance is to their family, and themselves.
Exactly. They tell us to love immigrants not hate them.
You are clever, but not clever enough. I have defeated you – and not for the first time I think.
Jarek you continue to confuse your fealty and belief in the foundational system others have created for you as belief in the natural order. Flags, borders, us vs. them, but the thing is, and you very well know, that the closer you zoom-in on the “us” it suddenly disappears. Jarekdinger’s cat.
In Other Words…
Anger and hate are all we need. No need to enforce existing laws.
Jars, you have a remarkable ability to distill things to their essence. You have manifested the Philosopher’s Stone, haven’t you? Come on now, stop hiding your candle under a basket.
Black: Google Sir Arthur Keith Law of Amity and Enmity. One for your people and one for your enemies. But which for which? This is the koan I leave you to struggle with.
And yes, I mean no, or in other words, there’s room for lots of grey in the middle.
Jars,
I had a comment, but I lost it because I “wasn’t logged in” – even though I was…
Forget it. You win!
Because they can, Paula.
Yes, those kind of jobs attract bullies, for sure. Same as the TSA goons.
The border must be secured by whatever means necessary. A wall would be better, more secure. Bring all troops home. Use them to militarize the border. That is the first order of business. Without a secure border, nothing else matters. You cannot have a functional society or economy with wide open borders. If immigration was ever allowed, it should be as it once was, with European stock. Born and bred European stock. Not the current wave of invaders Europe is suffering such as ones coming across our borders. Sometime in the distant future, maybe borders could be eliminated, but not in the forseeable future. Personally, I don’t ever see the different races and nationalities being able to live together. Separation is the word.
If they wanted to secure the border they would secure the border.
And it wouldn’t take a wall, or the military.
Your ruling overlords want an open border, that is why there is an open border.
If you want things to change, you need to dispose of your rulers, not scream for a wall.
I heard at least 40%of the BP is Hispanic.
were the gov ‘workers’ latino?
Back in the 80’s we’d goto the san ysidro border and go shooting in the desert, just to plink off a few rounds. the border patrol would say, aim south if it moves shoot it.
that’s one way to help control the border. Fun too!!
Dear John,
I know you know that I will always love and cherish… er, wait, not that kind of “Dear John’…
Dear John,
A wall will not keep Soros out.
You still haven’t read Upton Sinclair and Dos Passon anent the horrors of mid-stage Capitalism. I admit they were less than the horrors of early stage Capitalism. Late 18th century London was full of girl prostitutes, refugees from the ruined countryside, savaged by early Capitalism.
Thank God for the Unions. But they have been captured now too. The Beast has triumphed over all.
Dos Passos grew pretty conservative in his later years, to the extent of supporting Joe McCarthy & backing Nixon in 1960.
@Jarek, As a teenager I bought the two volume Dover edition of Mayhew’s “London Labor and the London Poor.” Eye opening. Dover had a great catalog. I miss spending the afternoon in a book store, trying to decide which ones to buy.
I remember reading De Quincy’s “Diary of an English Opium Eater” on when he was young and homeless in London. A slightly older prostitute took him under her wing and helped him.
He lost touch with her and was never able to find her again, but never forgot her or her kindness.
Dover: Good books, cheap. Have you figured out what book you’re going to be a la Fahrenheit 451? Poor Montag: His wife spend most of her time with “the neighbors” or the people on the soap operas projected on all four wall of the living room.
@Jarek, It’s been years since I read De Quincy, but I recall reading “Limehouse Nights” and “The Insidious Dr. Fu Manchu” as a direct result. My Dad’s library had overflowed into the attic, where Sax Rohmer and Edgar Rice Burroughs were alive and well.
I can never whittle it down to a single book, so I can’t really do that desert island thing where you get only one or, as Montag did, two books of the Bible. But if you insist, it would probably have to be “The Wind in the Willows.”
Edgar Rice Burroughs ~ for some reason Tarzan movies are no longer seen on TV. I used to love them, specially the ones with Johnny Weissmuller. Fun fact: Edgar Rice Burroughs was a neighbor of the Hemingway family in Oak Park, Illinois. Ernest walked by his house on his way home from school.
Among the book people, your name is the book you have memorized. Your name is Tarzan of the Apes. I’m the Protocols of the you know what of the you know what.
Indeed, John. The failure to complete the wall project has been a major contributor to the replacement migration occuring down south.
A physical wall is absolutely required, as there is nowhere near enough manpower to even begin to deal with the problem.
@ JohnAZ:
“Hoi poilloi” means the common people. I don’t think that’s what you meant.
As to the why the “overlords” want to destroy us, I think that one element of this is that they have fallen into a delusion or psychosis of their own. Upper classes that continually exploit the lower classes can go along comfortably for hundreds of years, kicking back and fattening on money and goods extracted from the productive members of society. They always cherish some degree of belief that they are fundamentally “better” or more deserving than the lower classes, and even that they are more moral and decent. But it seems that, inevitably, hubris sets in and the wheels start to come off. Moderation and benevolence (which I think often did exist among the rich and powerful) erodes. Opportunities for still greater wealth present themselves–providing they will relax their moral code and be willing to lie, cheat, steal, and kill–and their hubris convinces them that they are above such mundane considerations as honesty, morality, and benevolence, and that the injured common people are so far beneath them as to be beneath consideration.
Maybe this is the natural ideological progression, once you acquire great wealth.
The 19th and 20th Centuries have been remarkable when it comes to increasing productivity and the increasing production of wealth. And we have seen a staggering increase in both wealth and the concentration of wealth. Maybe it just naturally goes to your head–with a little help from Satan, of course–until you actually find yourself aligned with the “dark forces” of destruction and evil.
So, if you’re looking for a reason to “tear us down,” it is probably whatever Satan whispered in their ears as a jutification.
@Anthea
Could it be that our imminent demise is predicated on the concept that there are simply too many of us for the oil-fueled economy [Peak Oil, dears] and the Earth’s biosphere to support?
Simple arithmetic at this point, I’m thinking.
~toktomi~
“too any of us for the oil-fueled economy…to support?”
Maybe. Or maybe not.
This question is based on a false dichotomy–as if there are only two possibilities: Either we kill off a bunch of people now, or we let a bunch of people die later. Even if this were true, I see no advantage in the former over the latter.
I’m not sure I buy into the Peak Oil meme to begin with. Russia seems to have plenty.
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Secondly, even if it is true that we’re running out, there are many other possibilities for fueling modern economies. Nuclear power is one such possibility.
Another possibility is to simply revert to the type of lifestyle that was prevalent around 1900–which actually provided more prosperity than our current way of life, and was more sustainable. Decentralization alone would drastically reduce energy usage. My guess is that the vast bulk of current fossil-fuel usage is due to centralization.
Some of the comments above indicated that elderly women felt that electricity was the most important innovation of the past 100 years or so, because it reduced the risk of fires. But if you want electric lights, this can be achieved without the risk of fire by keeping some dry-cell batteries in the basement. One of my old friends once told me that this was how his home was lighted when he was growing up. About once a week, Dad had to go down to the basement and tinker with the dry-cell batteries.
The main reason people seem to find a (roughly) 1900 lifestyle unacceptable is because the thought of engaging in physical activity is abhorrent to them. I guess they’d rather sit in a cubicle.
The solution to inadequate food production is simply to settle about half the population on the land (as freeholders, per Jeffersonian democracy), where they could produce their own food. The US has plenty of land.
This “we’re all gonna die if we don’t kill everyone off first” meme is, in my opinion, idiotic. We may have some real problems, but we are not limited to either/or solutions.
What the preference for killing off most of the population indicates is simply a desire to kill off most of the population–in other words a hatred for human life. This, I believe, is diabolical. The idea that it is necessary is a delusion.
Obama said that he was going to bring big change to the US, and he tried mightily. Trump unified the change makers and now we are stuck with the crooked gang of Biden. We did it to ourselves!!!
Obama made it legal for black people to burn down cities and commit violent crime with impunity. He also made it illegal for white people to defend themselves. Those were pretty significant changes.
Well, at least we still have “Hope”…
Just remember RD, better to defend yourself and be tried by 12, then remain defenseless and your casket be carried by 6.
That is arguable. Better to be shot and killed during a home invasion or indicted by a prosecutor hand-picked by George Soros and placed into a maximum security prison with skinheads and black and hispanic gangbangers.
I have a feeling when a few corrupt DA’s and Prosecutors start getting whacked, some things may change.
That could go for some judges too, and other perceived sources of societies ‘problems’.
This could make the start of a great novel !!
JohnAZ – I’m amazed at the number of people who can’t see Trump’s complicity in this whole avalanche. The fact that that number is so high makes me hesitant to agree with the premise of The Season Is Here. I hope it is and I pray it is….with all the idiots still on the loose, I’m just not sure. Not a day goes by when I don’t witness an act so stupid I say “How does this person cross a street without getting killed?”
Yeah, they did it to themselves and to us.
@C.O.Jones, There are levels of complicity. Most who voted for Trump did so not because they thought he was perfect or that he was not complicit in anything objectionable. They did so because he was clearly the best of what was on offer.
He wasn’t perfect by a long shot, but he did quite a few useful things while in office that I don’t believe anyone else would have done. Getting us out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership would have been sufficient to get my vote, had he done absolutely nothing else.
And the Paris Accord. How thee same person who saw right through that nonsense, and saw the NATO grift for what it was, was taken in by the plandemic, is beyond me.
“Trump wasn’t the best messenger.
He was just the only messenger.”
https://twitter.com/El_Kabong81/status/1346891377934696449?s=20
I agree with both Rowdypiglet and Beryl of Oyl – I voted for Trump twice. Getting the US out of the TPP and Paris Accord were very positive and necessary moves. I cheered when it happened!
I have had to force myself to purposefully NOT think of all the good, as in anti deep state good that would have come from “locking her up.” Why did he not make public the video that caused seasoned NYC detectives cry, quit and retire? If the people knew what was in that video, it would have been game over for the Clintons. But Trump let it ride.
Why did Trump not make public the back story and the evidence about 911? I mean aside from the fact that his personal lawyer Julie Rudiani was neck deep in 911?
How about the JFK files he promised to declassify and never did? Do you suppose that would have worked against the deep state?
Why did Trump allow all the appointments of dyed in the wool deep staters like Sessions, Bolton, Tillerson et al,? Those moves perpetuated the swamp.
Why did he invite supporters to DC for a Jan 6 protest and then leave many in jail for YEARS?
Why would he play along with surrendering to a Soros backed DA on charges that were a misdemeanor for anyone except him and for which the statute of limitations had expired? Is he that desperate for a headline?
Now he is threatening death and destruction if he is arrested even though it’s pretty clear the arrest threat was a hoax.
Why hasn’t Trump financed a major effort to reform the joke that is now the US electoral system?
I’m sorry, I’ve got no use for this guy. I realize he was the lesser of evils but I’m not voting for him again. I am seriously looking at the possibility of RFK Jr as leader of this country. I’m done with Trump. He is an opportunity wasted.
and THAT is the part that makes me want to vomit.
We are going to end up paying for their ignorance, apathy, and fukkupps as well.
They won’t just burn themselves on the hot stove, no, they’ll burn the whole house down.
@JohnAZ
Oh! the old, the-President-is-a-President myth.
charming
~toktomi~
I think that the difference between Karl Rove, a short 20 years ago, and the feckless assholes running this place today, is that Rove knew the Reality they pushed on us (especially the 9-11 story) was bullshit, but these fools seem to truly believe their own fantasies.
What a difference a couple more decades make.
But Catherine Austin Fitts has testified that she was told in the 90s that our overlords had already given up on America and were going to let it go down the tubes, (stripping it for parts on the way, of course.)
The question of ‘why are they doing it?’ Is easily answered by simply queueing up that old classic, “Diamonds are a girls best friend”.
Boredom, the loss of youth/impending age, the appeal of something young and new, the challenge of a new (romantic) project. The USA is yesterdays news, fun while it lasted, but now it’s time for something new, a fresh start to implement the WEF agenda.
But like smokey the bear warned, make sure you douse the fire. Opening the borders, destroying the culture, committing the people to a disastrous war, all help ensure the USA will no longer present a threat as it’s reduced to an island nation limited to just its narrow stretch of land between two oceans.
I think that’s where the Woke comes in. Woke is a religion that tells the people what political stance they are to take.
They don’t have to believe it, they just have to accept it as being right.
They don’t have to understand it, they just have to believe it and accept that it is right, indeed the Truth, the whole Truth, and the only Truth.
Have you seen the Wokies coming out en masse claiming that Woke is a slur and denying they are Wokies and demanding people define it?
So funny.
@ MaryQueen:
These types are regularly issued a new “script.” When they were all getting vaccinated and boosted, they would tell you that was because, “I’ve researched it.” This meant they watched TV, same as ever. In their minds, they were doing “research.” Or maybe they were just repeating the latest line from the script. (Yes, they are that dishonest.)
One of my sisters told me she knew all about everything because she did her research. According to her, that consisted of listening to NPR, and reading the Guardian and HuffPo.
They also sometimes claim that black people made up the word, so it is cultural appropriation to use it.
The irony in that statement!
OMG.
That is just beyond silly.
It comes out of LAZINESS.
This is the generation that does not want to have to WORK for anything.
Does not want to have to TRY for anything.
does not want to have to COMPETE at all.
They want it handed to them, the participation trophy thing.
Oh, you what? you want me to read that???but… it’s a few PARAGRAPHS !, I don’t have time to read all that !! just tell me what it says to do…
THAT right there is the crux. Im a lazy piece of shit. Tell me what to believe, where to sign, what to say etc, so i can concentrate on taking selfies for my Twatter feed.
I can’t disagree at all. Working with these people is maddening.
If the “hope and change” that Mr. Kunstler sees actually comes to pass, we have to make certain that we leave no stone unturned. From Schwab/Soros/Fauci/Trudeau/living ex-presidents, etc. down to the lowliest HR harridan, government functionary and twitter troll who mocked, threatened and prodded the unvaxxed, all must be given their ultimate reward. No quarter. If such a glorious future awaits, the only problem I see is that this country has a severe shortage of lampposts.
Imagine this:
Its 2027. The scene is a high-rise condo in Bethesda, MD. An ex-Google “fact checker” named Bradley Lowell is sitting cross-legged on his ottoman as he uses stainless steel chop sticks to eat dim sum he purchased from the corner market with a GooglePay token. All of the sudden, the door is blasted off its hinges by an incredible force. Bradley nearly sharts himself as a 6-2, 240-pound hilljack wearing a Tennessee Volunteers cut-off and Redwing boots strolls into the room.
Nathan Lee, “Forrest” as he’s affectionately known enters and immediately spits a long stream of dark brown Beech-Nut into the middle of the half-eaten oriental take-out. Forrest is wearing a fully automatic AR-15 across his chest and is rapidly scrolling through his phone. He hits on a few items that appear to raise his dander. “Mr. Lowell, on the evening of March 11, 2021, did you tweet the following: Stupid rednecks and Neanderthals are extending this pandemic. Get vaccinated you NASCAR-loving, sister-humping knuckle-draggers? Or this, on the morning of April 7, 2021 did you leave the following voicemail on the phone of an employee you oversaw at Google: Dan, its Bradley Lowell, what the fuck is wrong with you? You’re the only team member in our group who isn’t vaccinated, let alone boosted. I’ve had seven boosters and you haven’t even given us your vax card for the first shot. Are you trying to kill all of us? Do you hate your fucking grandma? If you value your position at Google, you’ll roll your sleeve up and quit being such a recalcitrant kook. We have documented all of your transgressions and you will be relieved of your duties with cause. You won’t even be given an option. Just get the fucking shot or your can consider yourself unemployed.” “Mr. Lowell, I have dozens more, and those aren’t even the worst of it. I think you know why I’m here. I’ll hold your hand and pray with you before you get in the van. Remember, no matter what you have done, you can be saved. Your reward might not be here on earth, but you still have time to be saved. I’ve seen thousands like you before today and we still have thousands to visit. I advise you to get right with the Lord before you get in the van.”
White House warns Uganda ‘Kill the Gays’ bill may cancel $950M in annual aid
The Biden administration may cancel the $950 million in annual assistance the U.S. provides to Uganda if President Yoweri Museveni signs into law its latest “Kill the Gays” bill, which calls for the death penalty for “aggravated homosexuality” and between ten and 20 years in prison for other LGBTQ “acts.”
httpsXX://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/repercussions-white-house-warns-uganda-kill-the-gays-bill-may-cancel-950m-in-annual-aid/ar-AA190iZD
My comments: It is the right of Uganda to seeks its own redress. How dare the US try to bribe their actions with the US Dollar, which is quickly becoming worthless anyway. If I was in any sort of leadership position in the Ugandan government, I would tell the USA to go pound sand and take their worthless US dollars with them!
Uganda has chosen Life over Death. Will we send troops to enforce Globo-Homo? I have no doubt that we would if we weren’t so over-extended.
White men have given up on the US military. Thank you Sweet Mountain Jesus.
I don’t really care what they do in Uganda. What I want to know is why do we give them $950,000,000.00 a year in aid. It’s pretty sad when you have to buy the drinks so people will like you. I don’t think it’s working. I’d bet most of that green gets shoveled straight into some assholes offshore account.
It never does work.
They’ll mock you as they walk away from you with the free drink you gave them, then crap on you the moment the drinks are over.
Somehow the US just never learns this little fact of life.
“Aid” means money shoveled to the rulers so that they allow the US go go in and strip the country of the trillions of gold that Uganda has.
It doesn’t help the actual citizens of the country.
foreign aid–disgusting.
There is a Zerohedge article that (as usual) offers little in the way of specifics about Uganda’s “Kill the Gays” bill, though it does mention that “aggravated homosexuality” is defined as including “sex with a minor or while HIV-positive.” (Not exactly unreasonable.)
The bill also “would impose harsher penalties for those found to be promoting LGBT activist causes in a country where homosexuality is already illegal”–also not unreasonable. It’s a pretty safe bet that such causes are espoused by NGOs.
The article also mentions that, “Despite homosexuality being technically illegal in Uganda, there hasn’t been a conviction for consensual same-sex relations since the country gained independence from Britain in 1962.”
So Uganda is mainlly guilty of wanting to outlaw sex with minors (though probably only if it is same-sex) and sex while HIV-positive, and to strongly discourage NGOs promoting the LGBT agenda.
As I mentioned, Uganda is sitting, literally, on a gold mine.
My guess is that this propaganda push is to prepare public opinion for an invasion of Uganda to “protect the gays” and coincidentally to secure the gold mines.
Yup.
Look at the article I found from last year. Boy, did they call it!!
//dailyhive.com/vancouver/uganda-gold-deposits-usa-intervention
@cowbell81
Oh wow, a gay-killer activist?
Right out of the Bible, I suppose; where Matthew 71 is always redacted.
~toktomi~
Interesting, I learned a new word today, although the concept is already totally clear:
httpsXX://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baizuo
“Next, we will go through the tipping-point where a critical mass of the population…
The same fare. Soup of miasma. On the one hand we are dumb bunnies suffering from a collective delusion. Fear makes us vulnerable to flim-flam bullshit, but hey the not to worry. Tomorrow is another day. Millions of brains deluded by fear and isolation will suddenly and miraculously transform into a nation of social activists. America the nation of Anarcho-syndicalits.
I think not, collective sanity is more unlikely than a man turning into a woman. There is no mechanism to produce it, and we live in a minefield of delusion and dysfunction is praised.
Until lonely winds blow across empty plains so it will be.
@K-Chien
totally agree
Besides… when did activism ever broadly achieve anything of substance? whereas, as a question, when did activism get a lot of activists dead?
We are the masses, brain washed and programmed to function as the cogs in the wheels of industry, and most of us are too indoctrinated to even realize it. Even fewer realize that the only logical alternative to all of this is simply to walk away and to most likely die.
I could be wrong.
~toktomi~
Parent’s Bill of Rights is another attempt to convince you that your rights are granted by the goobermint.
The Constitution and Bill of Rights do the same. Our rights are God given and inalienable. They are only half-heartedly accepted and deceptively appropriated by false gods [ rulemakers ] to make you believe that you owe those in power something.
You owe them nothing unless you have a contract to deliver something they want. A contract based on fraud [ selling you something that is already yours ] is null and void from its inception.
“It is certain, I think, that the best government is the one that governs the least. But there is a much-neglected corollary: the best citizen is the one who least needs governing.”
Wendell Berry
But when you live in a society where karens are lining up to demand that the government step in and STOP YOU from every slight you do against them, or thought you have that does not align with theirs… government is there to help… and help it does… as it grows…. and grows.
Where you really start running into trouble is when government gets into the game of handing out ‘free shit’. The dullards love the ‘free stuff’. The frightened know it was not free.
@ messianicdruid:
Wendell Berry: an oldie but a goodie. I read a number of his books many years ago. Some of them dealt with the federal government’s deliberate destruction of the family farm, along with the cultural effects. Good stuff.
Wendell Berry: an oldie but a goodie. – Anthea
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His enemies nicknamed him Dingle.
Doubling down, Q?
@ Paula D:
Probably drunk-posting.
Yes. Good point.
Yes, it all turns on Wendell’s point. What the people don’t do for themselves and each other, must be done by the government – and with that comes the ceding of power to them.
Surrender your whole civilization to Capitalist greed heads and this is the result. THEN have the government do nothing? Fatuous. Millions living out on the streets.
@ Jarek:
You forget that the small family farmer, for whom Berry advocates, was a capitalist. He produced products and sold them (and still does). His gripe was the intrusion of government into free markets and the lives of free people.
You’re defining it differently than I am just to be contrarian.
National Socialism has no gripe with small business. They simply say that if you get big, you have to give back to the nation by taking direction. People find this scandalous. People are fools.
I trust Berry and I could come to an understanding. People like you? No. You’ll always shift your ground since you don’t care about the Truth, only winning.
What was your husband’s name?
@ Jarek:
Your pretended ideological opposition to “capitalism,” as in, “doing stuff” and “being compensated for doing stuff,” is really just a pretended ideological opposition (read: rationalization) to the idea that you, personally, should be productive and self-supporting–and get a job and not be a grifter. I’m sure you have had a lengthey anti-capitalist script prepared for many years, so you can present it to your family whenever they tell you to get a job or do something productive.
This is not an ideological position on your part; it is a mental illness.
What are your sons names? Say their names, Anthea.
@ Jarek:
You have previously defined capitalism as “doing stuff to make money.” You have also stated your opposition to small business, on the grounds that you believe their whole idea in seeking to engage in business is to “get big.”
Ok, you want to go into it? Yes, all creatures are capitalists concerned with EROI, or energy returned on energy invested. Thus predators often choose the old and the weak. If you spend all day long running after some thing, it may not be worth it. Or you’re not going to enjoy your dinner too much if it just popped out your eye with its antler or your teeth with its hoof.
So in the above sense, a subsistence farmer is a capitalist. But according to many, he is not – not until he makes a “profit” (as if living isn’t profit enough!) and can begin to reinvest in his farm on a regular basis. To grow. Get big. Be part of the American dream. Defeat other farmers. Buy them out, etc.
You want to lump all the levels together in a very American fashion and shout, Capitalism Good.
Well, you’re wrong. Subsistence is one thing. Small capitalism another. Middle another. Corporate, a whole nother thing altogether.
As Hegel says, quantity becomes a thing in itself. Or in this case, size.
Love small farms, either subsistence or capitalist (as per my definition)? Then they must be protected from the Beasts grown huge. That means a government stronger than those Beasts. Sorry, but every one has to grow up some time.
@ Jarek:
You are strangely resistant to the rather obvious fact that government is one of the beasts. Actually, it the top beast, the biggest and strongest.
@ Jarek:
It is fairly obvious, too, that virtually all really big business are government-created through any of several means. Some, like banks, are more or less government franchises. Insurance companies exist primarily because they are government imposed. Law firms (both large and small) exist mainly due to government. A lot of tech firms are really government ops of some kind, as is the entertainment industry in its various iterations. Many, if not most, large corporations are government-subsidized. This has been the case throughout our country’s history. Probably the earliest examples are “land-jobbing” during the westward expansion–which got started even before the Revolutionary War. Several of the Founding Fathers fattened from this. A later example is the railroads.
Your notions of what the small businessman or the small farmer wants are pure fantasy. Every small business has growth as its objective. You seem to object to “profit,” through which he “can begin to reinvest in his farm on a regular basis.” This is known as “capital,” which is essential to all economic activity–the investment or re-investment in improvements to the business. These may be equipment and supplies or employees. Thus the farmer or businessman can provide his goods or services to more people. The main reason–actually the ONLY reason–he is able to do this is because more people WANT or NEED his goods or services than he is able to provide for; so he expands his operation to provide for them, thus performing a service to his community. That way more people can get a new tire when they have a flat, or goat milk, a cake for a birthday party, an oil change, a good bar of soap, a restaurant meal, a pizza, etc. This is good.
This notion that anyone who seeks any income level above subsistence is an evil capitalist is absurd. (Try running this on anyone commenting here.)
Most people think it’s a pretty good thing when they can get a plumber to come out to the house. The plumber (and his customer) thinks it’s a pretty good thing that there is a nearby business that sells plumbing fittings, and that it is big enough to meet the plumbing needs of the community. Both of these business grew because of the needs of the community. They bought more equipment and materials (with capital generated by profits). They hired a couple of employees and trained them in a valuable trade.
Yet in your mind, this is somehow evil.
Oh! And they committed the additional crime of improving their own homes, sending their kid to private school, and getting everyone new shoes. Fie and shame on these bastards that they would desire anything above a subsistence lifestyle!
I didn’t say that, but I’m glad you admit that you want people to keep increasing their business. Before you didn’t distinguish it from substistence.
So now the question becomes, When do you stop? For most people, that would be never! There’s no end to desire, right? Be all you can be? You feel strongly about this! If your little business had taken off, you wouldn’t have stopped – and you would have judged everything, issue, and person in light of which of helped it or hindered it.
This is the Vaisya (sanskrit) mentality. It is the second lowest caste. They won’t control themselves so the two higher castes keep their greed in check.
It’s natural for them. To deny them completely would be cruel. Channeled properly, they can serve society. No system is more sensitive to consumer demand, obviously. This is a good, a great good – but still a relative good; the goodness depending on what the consumers want, right? No matter what – someone will sell it to them. The High Men watch and step in as needed. And they are needed – Obviously!
3 things. The end of the Ukraine adventure and its sponsors, the public counter-reaction to the vaccine and “debt-deflation.”
Not sure what the 3rd is exactly…
Destroy all woke-isms/iterations and get rid of all divide and conquer polity.
Not sure exactly what your 3 refers to, but there you go.
Hey Anmari! I was summing the 3 things Mr. K listed was going to happen. Got the first 2 two but not sure what “debt deflation s exactly….
But no worries re: Wokism.
> “A line will appear drawn in the ground from sea to shining sea and everybody… the formerly Woke, the unvaxxed, the penitent and unrepentant, the middle and lower orders especially, who suffer most harshly… will find themselves all on one side of that line in opposition to the wicked who have brought a hard rain upon them.”
TWIMC
The wall. It is totally necessary. Proof? Today, all the technology that is being touted does absolutely nothing to deter illegals, nothing. Have you seen all the pictures, infrared of the thousands of crossers? What has been done to stop or even limit them?
Nothing, because the Deep State, Biden style wants them here, and the drugs and the trafficking. They want an open border, period, for their own enrichment.
The wall is a physical and psychological barrier. It would allow the Border guys to concentrate on actually stopping the flow. The wall is not a nice to have for anyone really wanting to stop the invasion, it is a have to have.
Someone mentioned Soros, if he et all of the WEF are behind the liberal DA selections, plus paying Antifa, could it be that he and his are behind financing the invasion.
Look at yourselves, do you like what is happening to this country? Do you want a brown takeover of America? Do you agree with global control of America? Then root against the wall, because the wall is just step one of the control project.
Government attitude would be demonstrated with the wall. As long as the Deep State says the border is under control with no wall, the more millions of invaders are going to cross.
Impeach Myorkas, the Liar.
As far as the money involved, it would have been much, much cheaper to build the wall than all the BS that has been put at the border to put on the BS impression that something is being done. It is a crock of crap.
Also, your comments on the WPA and CCC. Are you good Democrats? Both were created to increase fiscal spending and put people to work.
Today we have welfare, being encouraged by the Deep State to increase dependency on the government. Even Clinton supported workfare where federal dollars were earned by work. That died quickly. If people want jobs, there are lots of them waiting, no one it seems is interested. What happened to Vista?
You contradict yourself, John. You contain multitudes.
You see that the Deep State wants the illegals, but you still think a wall would stop them.
That makes no sense.
I forgot to mention the drones watching the border. They know, as you point out, exactly where they are coming over.
A wall would solve nothing.
I contradict myself??
You do not get it, period. These drones et al have done NOTHING to slow anything.
A wall would solve nothing? Pelosi could not have said that BS better.
Put up a wall and our masters will still sneak them in.
We don’t need a wall, we need a revolution.
Her point which sailed right over your head was that IF THEY WANTED to stop the illegal immigrants they would use the drones.
Sheesh.
Don’t let them fool you.
BOTH SIDES, want the illegals.
The democrats love the votes.
The republicans love the 50 cent an hour strawberry pickers.
They BOTH invest heavily into each others companies, so they BOTH profit from the little brownies scurrying across the border.
The ‘immigration’ issue has been going on for 50 years or more. If either side really wanted it stopped, don’t you think it could have been accomplished by now?
Agree entirely, John.
But, but the government, your government is bringing them here… for a purpose!
Yes, the purpose is to build up the welfare and gimme state.
And to kill us – the US citizens – once the shit hits the fan.
@ Blackbird:
I think so. Probably. I do wonder how the US government is figuring on paying them. If the model is to be that they constitute an unpaid mercenary army, living “off the fat of the land” (i.e., all you can steal), they won’t be government employees, and they won’t take direction. They will merely be irregulars. There was quite a bit of that during the Civil War.
Actually, such groups might be amenable to becoming the hired guns of American communities engaging with the government. In rural areas, we’d have something to offer them in payment; mainly food.
Awhile back, a Mexican family I know was having trouble with a neighbor. I felt that maybe I should step in and do something about this, so I spoke with an old friend whose daughter was formerly married to a Mexican. She said, “You don’t mess with Mexicans. They can be really nice. But they have friends who aren’t.”
In addition to weapons, cash, and indemnity, the government can provide other resources that We the People can’t begin to match: logistics, targeting information, tactical back-up, etc.
No, they’re not coming over to our side.
Well, they are not coming to the USA to become Gringos. I’d say they are coming to live life LIKE the Gringos of the past…
May I suggest, after much thought, that there are two reasons for the absolute non-enforcement of our Southern border. First, since the vast majority of illegals are military-aged men, there is method to the administration’s madness. In the event of riots, uprisings, or other conflicts from Americans other than the Demoncrap stormtroopers, antifa and blm, these illegals would be drafted into the stormtroopers to fight against any uprisings of Americans, which the left has been pushing. The second reason should be investigated by an honest judiciary, if we had one, to-wit, payments from the cartels to China Joe and the Biden mafia of millions of $ from the billions they are making with the control of our border basically handed to them by China/cartel Joe. The Biden’s do nothing without graft and corruption being involved!
Question, how many illegals are in the riots?
The Biden gang profit from the illicit border activity, along with many others in the Deep State.
Remember Godfather 3 where the Mafia got into the Vatican?
The Biden Mob is into keeping that border open.
My ongoing question is,
Why? Why do the Dems hate their country so much?
It’s not a matter of hate. It’s a matter of power and profit. These are globalists, they don’t have a country. They are just greedy psychopaths put into office & fooling the people that they are Americans.
Washington State, Nevada and Colorado are talking about recruiting illegals for local, city & state police forces. It may already be happening. I believe its Washington State that has waived the requirement that the candidate read and write English.
NM will basically take any warm bodies that show up. But it’s got its advantages. The recent arrivals are always very deferential (you can argue them out of most traffic stops), although they drive SLOW as shit!
Per ounce price of gold currently “pussyfooting” around the $2000 mark!!! Silver at $32 per ounce!!!
#DumptheUSDollar
@ cowbell81:
I’ve been nagging family members to buy at least a little gold and silver for years. Gold was $1,620 just last September, and silver was about $18 about the same time.
I don’t think people should go crazy with buying gold and silver. I think they say it should be about 10% of your portfolio (if you have one). It’s just prudent to have at least a little.
I’ve also been telling them to keep a little hoard of cash money at home. But I don’t think anyone in the family realizes the seriousness of the situation–even though one of my daughters was advising me to stockpile food a couple of years ago.
There is an international dollar (dollars held overseas) and a domestic dollar. Which one?
We must reject the term trans-gender and call it what it is — pretend-gender. One of our state reps here in Arkansas asked a PJ the question they should all answer – do you have a penis? We need more like him.
We need to go further and stop using that weasly word “gender”. There are NO genders outside of linguistics. There are two biological sciences, male and female. You are either one or the other. Next, please.
They use the term gender to disguise the fact that the “care” they want to give your child amounts to sexual molestation. Of a minor.
Yep. This usage of this word prior to 2016 was also quite rare in my experience (outside of leftist political writing).
Particularly in published works. I don’t recall ever editing an article, paper, book, etc., using the word. And half of my career was at the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine.
If you use the word “sex” it would likely be blocked by the sensors. Such is the Biden world we now inhabit. You can openly talk about the most vile and disgusting things, but you cannot freely use the correct lexicon when you want to convey a legitimate thought or point.
Yes, it’s just another point on the agenda for priming the populace for the concept of transhumanism.
All of this gender nonsense has a dual purpose: divide and conquer, and prepare people for Harari’s transhumanist future where humans as we currently know them in the biological sense will no longer exist.
I still find it hard to type this stuff without laughing at these cultists.
Owl you have an interesting resume.
@ Night Owl:
It’s somewhat encouraging to note that our overlords seem to have been completely overtaken by a combination of hubris and madness, which–at least according to the ancient Greeks–does not bode well for them. They do seem to intend to take the rest of us with them, though, and it’s not encouraging to consider how many people have bought into the bullshit.
If you’re into prophecy, the indication is that things will get much, much worse. (Three days of darkness, demons roving around, etc.) I don’t see how it can be otherwise. Our Lady of Fatima said that wars are a punishment for sin. So I guess we’re really in for it.
If you only listen to one talk on the real agenda (and the money) behind gender ideology, this is the one to listen to (from Planet Lcckdown):
odysee.com/@PlanetLockdown:6/Jennifer-Bilek-TRANS-Agenda:b
This should go to all teachers and university lecturers, medical schools, law schools, churches and all parents everywhere (and not-yet-parents too).
This is what they achieved in 10 years and how they achieved it.
The only use I recall was in language learning: masculine, feminine, neuter.
httpX://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_gender
And then there is the verb to neuter. Said of animals.
Maybe we should start using that word for humans, if that is what they want.
Is “Psycho” a gender?
In Nebraska we have a female ex educator in the unicameral holding up all passage of bills because she, a Democrat from Omaha, is enraged at a bill to end transgender surgeries for underage kids and teens. She’s right out of central casting..
She is the embodiment of evil in our current times.
Remember when we used to be horrified at Muslims performing genital mutilation on young girls? Now the left fully supports it.
Psycho casting. Central is OK.
“..the World Economic Forum… where you will have nothing and be happy!… the transformation of a raging inflation into a ruinous debt deflation that leaves Americans, one way or another, with no money.”
The purpose of inflation is to put people in poverty.
The purpose of taxes is to put people in poverty (since ‘They’ can just conjure that ‘stuff’ out of thin air… and They DO).
The purpose having the most expensive Medical Industrial Complex is to put people in poverty.
The purpose of ubiquitous shortages is to get people used to having NOTHING.
In fact, the purpose of EVERYTHING going on these days is to see that We the People are ground forcefully into the dust and dirt of perpetual poverty and weakling dependence upon our not-so-dear Mommy-and-Daddy-State. Our not-so-benevolent Parents who have twisted the normal human desire to make things better for Their Kids into constantly making things worse for ‘Their’ children.
So if poverty and degradation is so attractive to Them… why don’t THEY seek these same things for Themselves? Are They just so parentally selfless that They seek such a beneficial and return-to-Eden-like lifestyle for us only?
Perhaps it’s only fair that ‘They’ also share in the utopia of owning nothing and loving it FIRST. ‘Parents’ are supposed to lead by example… right?
“The Season is Here”
‘It’s the time of the season
When love runs high
What’s your name?
Who’s your daddy?
Has he taken any time
To show you what you need to live?’
(The Zombies)
Love that song. Nice connections.
Put people in poverty?
To make people dependent on the central government!
The credo of the Democratic Party.
Because I know in a fortnight death
Will come aquivering stop my breath
Because I know before that dawn
Divest myself both here and yon
Of stuff and trouble, papers sooth
Clean up my mess before my tooth
Is pulled for gold, and business moot
Because I see what herefore comes
Because I bleed from bowel and gums
Because I know they came to kill
To use, disgard, leave smouldering swill
I will a porpoise, purpose lost
Let blubber burn, appendage tossed
The God of my father died today
And on that cross I too am slayed
Ironically ,therefore saved.
Mourn, for the seed dies
Rejoice for the crop grows
The harvest will be gathered
Long before the snows.
Very nice.
The purpose of war is war for the United States now. There’s no plan other than to restart the Cold War and make a lot of money “fighting” that for the next 50 years.
The same Neocon lunatics that started this war, also started the war in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria. The wars aren’t meant to be won, they are just a way to scoop up a bunch of tax money, and send it to the MIC, with congressman pocketing large sums either through insider trading or other indirect kickbacks.
This is all true. Most people don’t fully appreciate that we live in a purposely designed war economy now, and that dismantling the MIC would be to dismantle the entire US economy. However, there’s still limits to the power of the US Dollar. Gunboat diplomacy, wherein we import everyone else’s stuff in exchange for our worthless IOUs has its limits, especially when over half the world drops the dollar as its reserve currency, as is happening right now. Ultimately (“At the end of the day,” LOL!), the US war economy will have nothing to feast upon except its own people and interests, which we’re also beginning to see now.
Dis
Ukraine is showing there are big limitations to the power of the MIC to exert power. Awww!
Just read a story that Russia is now using 1940s era tanks, and the Western press was spinning this news that Russia is resorting to this because they are on their last legs.
Haha, this makes me laugh. To the contrary, Russia is probably pulling out these classic tanks from moth balls because they are made more study to fight, much better than these modern computers on treads that can be immobilized by an EMP attack.
Another thing that makes me laugh:
Portugal providing Ukraine 3 tanks, Germany 20 tanks, UK 24 tanks etc.
Russia has about 12,000 tanks in its Tank Guards Armies.
I found a website listing Russia’s military assets compared to Ukraine’s in Feb., 2022; Russia had a 10/1 advantage in about every category. CNNs prediction of Ukraine’s great spring offensive that will dislodge Russians from Crimea seems like a lot of wishful thinking & bullsh#t propaganda.
Maybe they’re doing it to taunt us. (And of course to make the comparison to the Nazi invasion of WWII.)
If they send in cossacks armed with sabers and wheel-lock pistols, well, you can say you heard it here first.
Now you’re talking! Who doesn’t love a good taunting? This is actual footage of a US led expedition sent to the front against Russia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey0wvGiAH9g
We used to love pretty Iraq and Afghanistan too, but them uppity ho’s decided they were too good for us. They back on the street sellin’ it now, so good riddance to them sorry bitchez.
,,,And radical consequences fit for a 4th turning.
Hey., give the MIC a break.
What do you do when war becomes obsolete, as demonstrated by Ukraine? Nothing worse than war mongers without a war!
Are you watching Syria? Are they the next? Will the US have to make a choice, Ukraine or Syria?
On the other hand, what if we gave a war and everyone came?
We’ve always had a special place in our heart for Syria. Bombs are just how we show our love. We just love the little bastards to death!
This belonged here:
We used to love pretty Iraq and Afghanistan too, but them uppity ho’s decided they were too good for us. They back on the street sellin’ it now, so good riddance to them sorry bitchez.
Sometimes, too often, our host’s writing fires up my interest to the point that I’m keen to discuss it with the others here and forget to acknowledge why we’re here. Everyone else I’ve read over the last 15 years has lost me at some point, and the only person I still read unfailingly and relish unreservedly is Jim Kunstler. Just wanted to say thanks yet again for helping me to understand this deranged world and even laugh at it.
Hear, hear!
Yeah, the K-Man gets more relevant with each passing day.
Agree, Rowdy.
As seen on Wheel of Fortune,
V CC N S R K LL NG P PL .
Is Pat Sajak going to tackle the contestant, pull out a fake fish, or do something else funny or absurd? Is he not the best game show host America has to offer? I think he is….
And then there is Vanna…..wowzers!
Agreed. He and Vanna deserve their own wing in the Gameshow Hall of Fame.
I’d like to solve the puzzle please:
“Vaxx now you dumb shits!”
Pat Sajak/Dan Quayle*: “Ok Johnny, tell him what he won!”
Johnny: “A no-expense paid 5 day/7 night trip to… downtown Dee-Troit! Where you will be hooked up to a ventilator at one of our world-class hospitals! And – a lifetime subscription to our latest cutting-edge Quaxxines!”
*Ever seen the two of ’em in the same place? I rest my case.
Dee-Troit, Motor City! Does that include some of that Dee-Licious Flint bottled municipal water too? Sign me up! EXTRA cloudy, please!
You gotta lose your mind in Dee-troit Rock City…
I got to laugh ’cause I know I’m gonna die
Why?
No, you get premium bottled water, coaxed from the ground by virgin angels in Evart, MI (aka Sell-Out City). Two hundred dollar per year license fee for Nestlé – paid for by less then 100 bottles of water bought from 7-11.
Boycott Nestlé. Or as Burn, Loot and Murder would say (not in regard to Trans-national corporations – like Nestlé of course – don’t bite the hand that feeds you!): “Burn the motherfucker down!”
Does Nestlé sell the dark water as well, Bb? I’ve grown partial to that roasted malty, slightly dirty greasy taste. And who doesn’t love that sooty lacing it leaves around the glass? It wows the party goers every time!
Just add a little kerosene to the dishwasher and they clean right up, good as new!
Good question Dis. I don’t buy water, I squeeze it from the ground beneath my feet, saturated with iron, and calcium – I can grow crystals if I want – glyphosate (hopefully I have a few IQ points to spare), and atrazine (and manliness to spare). As a kid, I thought water was supposed to taste like iron.
And I (almost…) never go to Flint.
They cleaned up Flint’s water.
It’s the other thousands of communities with contaminated water they are ignoring.
Because, you know, what this country needs is a wall, not clean water.
By all means, build the wall, then bask in its glow for a few centuries. Eventually, it will become a tourist attraction, like the Great Wall of China.
If you start lobbying now, lo’ t, you can maybe get the carport concession on both sides of the wall. Lots of low rider “Cheebies” down that away that need shade from the blazing mid-day sun. Might be wise to invest in the dingle ball (fuzzy dice and 8 balls) industry as well, just to be sure. I see a gold mine in your future, young man!
“The Wuhan lab leak – a perfect trap orchestrated by psychopathic geniuses?
INTERVIEW: Niall McCrae – Don’t Fall For The ‘Lab Leak’ Trap”
https://21stcenturywire.com/2023/03/24/interview-niall-mccrae-dont-fall-for-the-lab-leak-trap/
Good interview and echos my own opinon. The Big Lie is Covid-19 itself.
They put the lab idea out there from the start and called anyone who suggested that “Covid-19” came from a lab a nut. Now they say maybe it did.
Just another firewall. There is no Covid-19.
Over and out.
Love the blog! Concerning the podcast, you gotta set your record levels better. You’re clipping every time you begin speaking. My eardrums blew out on this last episode!
This global brainwashing fixation with Transgenderism is driven by AI algorithms running the MSM?
I understand that Bill Gates has given a lot of thought to our current “Energy” predicament (declining rates of Net Energy as a severe drag on our exponential economic growth model)? Because of its hyper-efficiency, AI may take us out of this predicament assuming a huge reduction in the human population?
I wonder what Bill Gates’ drunken ruminations would be on the subject of “Human Evolution”?
Scene from the movie “Silence of the Lambs”:
Hannibal Lector to Clarice just before Multiple Migs throws his cum at Clarice:
“A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti.”
These are the books now recommended by Bill Gates. Bill Gates instructed his investment manager to exit the U.S. Stock Market at its peak and 2 weeks before it started to crash. It must be the AI?
“Three books have shaped my own thinking on this subject: Superintelligence, by Nick Bostrom; Life 3.0 by Max Tegmark; and A Thousand Brains, by Jeff Hawkins. I don’t agree with everything the authors say, and they don’t agree with each other either. But all three books are well written and thought-provoking.”
“Law” is designed to regulate what humans can do, not what AI can do?
AI is Above-the-Law, like a god?
AI’s still over-hyped, Puck. Most of what we refer to as “AI” are just advanced, semi-intelligent algorithms. They can “tighten” their initial predictive coding based on iterative testing of the data they process (after market fuel injection systems for cars are a good example), but they aren’t really independent entities capable of making decisions on their own. Yet, anyway. Maybe someday, but not now. And I think most of us know through personal experience that the computer geek community is famous for over-estimating their capabilities. Cocksure little buttholes, they are.
Indeed. The amount of hype around it also gives the game away.
Just about anything the Beast System hypes is a steaming pile of bullshit.
I would go so far as to say that the creation of a sentient AI is impossible, and this is where we get into religion and spirituality.
This is also why the WEF types hate such things I suspect.
I recently saw the film Ex Machina.
It is excellent, wtih three outstanding performances.
The plot revolves around the issue of AI and consciousness.
I don’t think any kind of AI will ever gain consciousness, no matter how much data is or are scanned, coordinated, stored, massaged, etc.
But do bear in mind that the data being used to create AIs is data provided by us all. A lot of it is being stolen, but a lot of it is also being provided voluntarily.
Especially by users of Facebook and any apps. Facebook is capable of harvesting all of the data on your device from all apps that you use, if FB is on your device. I don’t think it even has to be open/active (since I don’t use FB I don’t know the lingo).
Yes. Everything we type or record online is used for AI intelligence. We are contributing to it whether we like it or not.
Ex Machina’s one of my favourite science fiction films.
The human mind is a machine. True consciousness and freedom are above it. Therein lies the danger. AI is already doing many things as well or better than intelligent people can.
Any computerized guessing mechanism is now AI.
Artificially intelligent.
Just think about that name… it’s all there dummies
I would argue that AI is under-hyped. The change we’ll see in the next decade will be absolutely horrifying. This isn’t the buggy whip being replaced. This is damned near everything being replaced, particularly in advanced countries like the US where we do little more that tap keyboards for a living.
Jack, you’re correct.
But it is only goin to reveal how really UNINTELLIGENT our “work” is.
Most people from the executive suites down to the cubicle maze don’t really comprehend that they’re only executing commands.
Parameters and commands.
I think you’re using “AI” in place of “computerized” or “automated.” That I agree with. I saw this train coming way back in the mid-90’s when I first became a “knowledge worker” in earnest. Like most, I was totally awestruck by computerized automation and road the wave pretty well for the first 10-15 years or so.
I will admit I didn’t – and still don’t – see and fully appreciate the Smart Phone revolution, which for me was a bridge WAY too far, but obviously the youngsters are totally down with it, so what to do? Like everything else these days, suck it up and make do as best I can, I guess. Its hard to imagine that it could get much worse in that regard, but of course that just reflects a lack of imagination on my part. It most certainly will.
The difference between the population now and pre-2007 is amazing.
I remember my son got an I-phone in 2007 and we were all amazed and impressed. The family went out to eat and spent the whole time playing with his phone.
And now everyone, everywhere, is on their phones. Amazing.
I went to a party a couple of weeks ago, with a live band and food and alcohol. You know, the kind of thing that people used to enjoy.
Everyone was on their phones. The only socialization going on was when people showed other people something interesting on their phone.
2007- 2023. That didn’t take long.
In the coming grim, dire stagflation Recession, there will be severe mass layoffs, which will create a huge market for AI to replace the workers?
The bloated, bankrupt European and American governments will scramble to find a legal basis to tax AI robots?
Create an AI “Shareholder” that can’t be taxed? Bribe the politicians and the judges to say that it’s “Legal”?
Wall Street will of course come out with AI Funds, which all of the misplaced workers (Future Presidential talking point: “These workers haven’t been displaced, we’ve simply misplaced the little buggers. We’ll find them all again one day!”) will flock to.
The Fed won’t be able to get Inflation under control by continually raising the Interest Rate because it will blow up the banking system, so “They” will have to sacrifice the human Workers in a mass deflationary “Cull”, like the Chinese did to the Chinese pig population to get the “African Swine Flu” under control?
Agreed! “Inflation” only ever refers to worker’s wages. Prices are jacked up through profit taking first to justify it.
Mr. Kunstler mentioned in the past that he investigated and wrote about the John Birch Society. I’m wondering what his thoughts are now on the JBS. The JBS is no longer relevant, but, in my estimation, much of what they claimed 50 years ago has been proven true:
– There was a massive communist conspiracy in the US
– National Review was a CIA propaganda machine.
– Willian F. Buckley was a creation of the CIA and his function was to delegitimize the old right, excommunicate anyone to the right of the “neocons” and be a statist voice for the welfare/warfare, “anti-communist” cabal
– General Patton was murdered because he knew what was happening, knew that the commies were far worse than the fascists, and that communist subversives in the US government were going to turn half the world over to them.
I could go
Only one small issue. None of this is “communist” in any way, although they certainly make great boogeymen for those of us of a certain age. What it is, is, authoritarian fascism, with the kleptocratic global elite acting through their corporate, central banking, and financial stooges, to rape and pillage everything and everyone in sight. Neo-feudalism writ VERY VERY large, if you will. Most twentieth century tropes are best retired. They don’t really apply anymore, even as stretched metaphors.
Are you one of those guys who thinks that communism was just never implemented correctly, but, boy watch out, if it was, we’d all be living in paradise?
No, although it actually never was implemented “properly,” whatever in the hell that means. Of course the same could be and often is said of capitalism. The lie lies on both sides of the proposition. “Paradise” – the long dreamed of ideal – is a much, much tougher nut to crack than that. Which is why those of us – indeed the BY FAR MOST of us – who get the short end of the stick by buying into such simplistic arguments, should religiously reject them out of hand. Stubborn reality has proven to be reliably resistant to our grand theories – economic and otherwise.
I might add, you can’t even identify your enemy, never mind actually fight him, if you subscribe to foggy thinking, which is what your economic overlords, through their captive MSM lackies, will do their level best to ensure that you do. Unfortunately, it takes a little more effort than that.
I’m increasingly more confused with each post of yours I read. Oh well, lets just leave it at that.
That’s a start.
Dis: You didn’t use the word Fascism correctly. How do you expect to intelligent people to understand you?
The Trinity of the proto-Communist French Revolution (which the Communists see as their spiritual ancestors) was Liberty, Equality, Fraternity. But the more Liberty you, the less Equality and you will have – and the less Fraternity.
People are not equal. If you want Equality, then get rid of Liberty. And people don’t like force, so kiss Fraternity good by too.
The final Globalist system will have elements of both Capitalism and Communism – but as they ARE in reality, not as Adam Smith and Karl Marx believed them to be. The Capitalists will rule. You will have nothing and you will pretend to be happy – or else.
Jaros,
Whether you call it fascist, capitalist, globalist, or fill in the blank-ist, the overall theme is some people are “more equal” than others. Label that as you like. Once again, 20th century and prior tropes are increasingly misleading; but “fascist,” in the sense of a corporate private/public lockstep alliance certainly serves the purpose for now. Absent an enlightened and “benevolent” elite, fascism might arguably well be the best we can do for now, but it’s certainly far from ideal.
When you come right down to it, both Communism and Facism are just slightly different iterations of Statism. As far as I can tell, the only difference between the two is the advertising.
Dis: You thought people were equal? Or still think that? It’s only true at the level of the soul. Does that help much? No, because that would include ants, dogs, grass, and even inanimate objects perhaps, in the ultimate sense. There is only God….
I mean until we agree about human inequality, no discussion is possible. Equality is an essential abstraction, for mathematics, law, and spirituality. But you won’t find it down here. It’s a gift from above that we project onto this world – to make it better.
So yes! By all means, let all citizens have equal rights. A huge portion of people then expect equal results and we’re off the races.
Of course a benevolent and powerful Elite have to keep the capitalist class in check. They’d end up owning everything. How does that fit in with equality at the level of the soul? Shouldn’t a bit of that precipitate down to the level of body and society? It won’t on its own…..
Anthea thinks Fascism is the same as Communism. She wants the capitalists to be in charge! Now do you see the need for defining words carefully?
Define or be defined
VS.
“Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit but to the subverting of the hearers.”
Now I have to define “subverting” as well as “profit”.
Yes good point DA. Tranny Reading Hour seems to be penultimate Lefty event in contemporary America; Imagine this scenario: Comrade Stalin is at his desk in the Kremlin, grimly approving lists of those to be exterminated in Leningrad the following day (as many as 30,000 per day at its peak) Suddenly, his office door flies open, and in rushes NKVD Chief Laventri Beria, who breathlessly reports “Comrade Stalin, obese men dressed as women were seen entering the Karl Marx Academy! They were headed for the Kindergarten.”
“Arrest them immediately” says Comrade Stalin. “I will add them to the list.”
Funny how the “liberal capitalist” west has embraced all this nonsense, while the “conservative communist” east has rejected it out of hand. Once again, 20th century tropes being used to confuse the issue for soft 21st century western minds.
Satan is an open minded liberal. God is a conservative bigot – a racist!
Who can stand against his cold? The freezer unit of Totalitarian (not Fascist!) Communism helped preserve human life. No holds barred Liberalism is utterly destructive. Humans needs boundaries and norms.
The horror of formless people! Partaking as they do of the chaos of the pre-creation as the Ancient Greeks spoke of. Creation was a defining, a making of boundaries and laws. The good infinite exists – but in the Law and/or Law Giver (God). That’s very different thing than mere quantity or extent, what to speak of doing whatever the fuck you want.
I think the Woke thing is gonna get played out. Hopefully, sometime very soon.
NHL Players Who Refuse to Wear Pride Jerseys Are Facing Authoritarian Media Backlash
“There’s something deeply unhealthy happening in the National Hockey League (NHL) this year. Week after week, a different NHL team hosts a Pride Night to “celebrate the LGBTQA+ community” and, week after week, a new “controversy” emerges where a player is berated by mass media for not complying.
As the “controversies” pile up, there’s a bizarre, authoritarian pattern emerging where players must either submit or be shamed by mass media for days on end.
The main problem of these Pride Nights: ALL players from the home team are required to skate around while wearing rainbow flag jerseys during warmups and/or games. By forcing players to be draped in the pride flag – on jerseys that bear their last names – these “celebrations” turned into some kind of authoritarian pledge of allegiance. And those who refuse to wear these jerseys are suffering authoritarian consequences: Character assassination from elite-sponsored media.”
https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/nhl-players-who-refuse-to-wear-pride-jerseys-are-facing-authoritarian-media-backlash/
Its disappointing that the majority of the players appear to have gone along with it except for the few brave souls mentioned in the article. In fact I’d like to see one of these hockey players refuse for non-religious reasons, stating “I refuse to be part of your Freak Show.”
Hockey, the Alamo of professional sports.
Exactly.
Making excuses about religion is the wimpy way out, IMHO.
Just say NO because I don’t buy into this delusion/agenda.
MQ: I wouldn’t hold my breath. To earn the big bucks, you gotta wear the togs of the hour.
It’s a conundrum!
” NOW ON THAT…. fast forward to today…..
With all the news on what those shots REALLY WERE. he ( Trump )
should man up and say, I was wrong. I didn’t know then, I DO KNOW NOW. and the shots are DEATH! ”
My best guess is he is listening to what any thousand + dollar an hour lawyer would tell him .
Which is ?
In fantasyland you go to the Priest and confess your mistakes or failings ,
do an act of contrition , three Hail Mary’s ,
and — no , you aren’t necessarily forgiven .
That’s between you and God.
Nobody really knows what God thinks of you , and nobody really knows your story but you.
End of story.
So much for the Medieval idyll.
Now for the real world ;
Confession is digging yourself a bottomless pit you will never get out of.
Confession is hanging out a neon sign – invitation to every asshole within 500 miles who ever took a dislike to your shoes , or had a beef with you in 3rd Grade , to come take a whack at you.
As the old saying goes , ” Truth is the first casualty in war ”
or ,
YOU are the fool if you think you’ll ever get honesty from someone you are pointing a gun at.
Yeah, well that’s not Catholicism which teaches that the Priest takes the place of Christ and if he forgives you, Christ does too. Of course you have to be sorry and really intend to repent. That’s rare, especially nowadays.
With the possible exception of Carter and Ford ( ? ) , every President since Nixon has come under criminal investigation.
My best guess is that the difference between Nixon’s time and today was that in Nixon’s time folks had not as yet watched way too many hours of ” Judge Judy ” or , ” Law and Order ” and mistook a TV show for real life.
Nice, wet, early spring snowfall here in the NM highlands tonight. With that in mind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_vhyVwsNGQ
Sleep tight Clusterfuckers! Don’t stay up too late carrying on! Other than KesaAnna, of course. I always enjoy reading your stuff first thing in the morning.
That’s lovely and I appreciate the periodic sudden and rapid note sequences that artistically echo the subject matter.
If I could play piano that’s what I’d play, for sure.
OMG,
Greta Thunberg has been given an effing honorary doctorate of effing theology from the effing University of Helsinki!
Words fail.
“How dare you?!” ~ Greta Thunberg
Actually, since Climate Change is one of the leading religions of the world, I think it makes perfect sense.
State-Sanctioned Reality For The Well-Behaved NPC
‘Reality’ or how it is viewed/regarded and interacted with increasingly falls under the dictates of the religion that is the State.
So realities like climate change; sex-related issues like gender, sexuality or abortion; race/skin-color, scientific practice, media practice, etcetera, take on State-sanctioned/dictated/propagandized meanings, whether these meanings are true, false, somewhere in between or altogether different.
Remember, it’s all designed to cause outrage.
I liked Bill Buckley’s line heroin should be as cheap as rat poison. Likewise trans surgery to remove a males pen*s and testicles and to remove a females uterus should be free paid by the government. After the first five million mutilations are done we will see how happy it makes the victims. We will see the truth.
Jazz Jennings is a miserable, obese young adult who is realizing they will never be either a man or a woman.
I got asked to leave a knitting meetup at a teahouse a few years ago (2015) because I got into an argument with one of the apparent Wokesters regarding parents not really raising their own children anymore– that they are more or less being outsourced.
It seems they were not ready for such an argument and so they decided to dispense with me.
So I got up, put my jacket on and left.
While I was putting my jacket on, another mentioned something of her Phd, to which I responded that we have countless Phd’s and Masters running around and the world is still going to hell in a handbasket.
8 years later, I still stand by that and wonder how those women are feeling about things these days. Maybe some of them now ‘have’ (so to speak) kids.
Ed, when parents are not, for much of the time, raising their own children anymore because both parents are working/wage-slaving, it’s small wonder why many of the kids these days seem so lost, including with regard to their own gender/sex/whatever.
Tucker: The average father spends 30 minutes a week with his children.
It’s a mad house. Of course she referred to her credentials! They should get them tatooed on as they do on Tantooine.
Hitler refused to work, preferring to starve, making a bit by selling his art. Destiny was calling and he needed to listen.
30 minutes a week? That’s even worse than I thought.
As for Hitler, he was at the tail end of the end of his society that lost it– in more ways than one.
As an aside, I am reminded just now of recently catching a video where Jordan Peterson expresses a similar concern.
Things have side effects, folks.
And large-scale social experiments have large-scale social side-effects.
‘Weird kids’ and then ‘weird societies’ and vice-versa are just one of them.
Interesting. I have long suspected that Zazelle was an “elle.”
Of course, nothing against men knitting. In fact, I was taught to knit by our local game warden, an aged bachelor. I guess they had to learn basic needle arts in the military in those days.
He used to show up at our house around dinnertime.
Thinking to do my mother a big favor, he came over in the middle of the day when no one was home and cut up a large tree that had fallen over in our large backyard. Unfortunately, that was our favorite thing—jousting and balancing on the tree trunk, which had come to rest perfectly horizontally, about three feet off the ground. Friends would come over after school to play Robin Hood and Friar Tuck on our tree trunk. This could go on for hours
We were furious, my mother gave him an earful, and he never came round again after that. But before then he had taught me to knit.
A lot of the Friends still on the Vineyard? What do they think of their forebears killing whales for money? In the most gruesome way imaginable?
They began as mystics became social agitators and then money grubbers – without giving up their feeling of superiority!
The Straight Male Knitter
(blogspot)
“We walk unseen among you. We possess both ‘Y’ chromosomes and knitting needles. We’re equally at home in a yarn shop and a gentleman’s club. When admiring exceptional décolletage, we may find ourselves distracted by the softness of a mohair sweater as it clings to the complex curves of your bust. If we ask to touch that delicate fabric, rest assured we do want to experience the fabric. But that probably isn’t all we want to touch. We are men. We love women. And we knit.”
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LOL
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But, ya, the tree thing would anger me. As a kid, I used to climb trees all the time. I even have a very subtle scar that attests to falling off one when the branch broke, I fell and had to get stitches.
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Back to knitting… If we expand your horizons both in time and space, we might find that it’s about 50-50, such as where men in old Europe apparently made up the knitting guilds and given that I’ve met quite a few straight men like myself who knit. There are also those men who it is recommended to for various reasons.
My personal take is in part that it’s one thing that I can do that takes my self-empowerment back from the corporations that for example liked to charge ridiculous amounts of money for sweaters I loved but could not afford. Rope and wire can also be knitted for various uses.
Don’t get me going… ^u’
Did Hunter-Gatherers Work Less?
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“One such group are the San people… They live much the same way humans did before the adoption of agriculture, and analysis of their lifestyle reveals that they have, in actual fact, ample amounts of leisure time, which is largely spent sleeping. In contrast, their farming neighbours work virtually from dawn to dusk.
To put it in an hourly context, they only have to spend a maximum of 19 hours a week obtaining food, while another hunter-gatherer tribe, the Hadza of Tanzania, spend on average less than 14 hours a week foraging for food…
Another oft-noted example of the leisurely ‘primitive’ workweek is the Ju’hoansi from the northeastern Kalahari desert in Africa. They only work an average of 15 hours each week. This led anthropologists such as Richard Borshay Lee and Marshall Sahlins to label hunter-gatherers as ‘the original affluent society’.” ~ James Kenny, site, Owlcation
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“Are twentieth century hunter-gatherers really worse off than farmers? Scattered throughout the world, several dozen groups of so-called primitive people, like the Kalahari bushmen, continue to support themselves that way. It turns out that these people have plenty of leisure time, sleep a good deal, and work less hard than their farming neighbors. For instance, the average time devoted each week to obtaining food is only 12 to 19 hours for one group of Bushmen, 14 hours or less for the Hadza nomads of Tanzania. ” ~ Jared Diamond, Discover Magazine
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Was agriculture the greatest blunder in human history?
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“Living in densely populated villages and towns created for the first time in human history private living spaces where people no longer shared their food or possessions with their community.
These changes dramatically shaped people’s attitudes to material goods and wealth. Prestige items became highly sought after as hallmarks of power. And with larger populations came growing social and economic complexity and inequality and, naturally, increasing warfare.
Inequalities of wealth and status cemented the rise of hierarchical societies — first chiefdoms then hereditary lineages which ruled over the rapidly growing human settlements.
Eventually they expanded to form large cities, and then empires, with vast areas of land taken by force with armies under the control of emperors or kings and queens.
This inherited power was the foundation of the ‘great’ civilisations that developed across the ancient world and into the modern era with its colonial legacies that are still very much with us today.
No doubt the bad well and truly outweighs all the good that came from the invention of farming all those millennia ago. Jared Diamond was right, the invention of agriculture was without doubt the biggest blunder in human history.” ~ Darren Curnoe, University of New South Wales, UNSW Sydney
://youtu.be/vZ9myHhpS9s
Monty Python Communist Quiz sketch
I’ve seen that one. A little more sophisticated in some ways than The Goodies or Benny Hill, yes? But all good fun just the same.
It was beneath the one someone posted upstream. The english siege of a french held british castle.
‘Your mother was a hamster! With breath that smelt of elderberry!’
Madness, I nearly died laughing. Only the Frenchies. And Monty. 16 million peeps can’t be wrong. …or can they?
I’ll look for that if I can, sounds good.
“Allo! Who is zis?”
“This is the castle of my master, Guy de Loimbard!”
“Well, I’ll ask him, but I don’t think he’ll be very keen. Uh, he’s already got one, you see?”
“Oh, yes, it’s very nice-a (I told him we already got one)”
“Of course not! You are English types-a!”
“I’m French! Why do I think I have this outrageous accent, you silly king!”
“Mind your own business!”
“You don’t frigthen us, English pig-dogs! Go and boil your bottoms, sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called Arthur king, you and your silly English knnnnigets. Thppppt!”
“I don’t want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!”
“No, now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a!”
“Fetche lavache!”
“Thpppt!”
“Allo, daffy English kniggets and Monsieur Arthur-King, who has the brain of a duck, you know! So, we French fellows out-wit you a second time!”
“How you English say, I one more time-a unclog my nose in your direction, sons of a window-dresser! So, you think you could out-clever us French folk with your silly knees-bent running about in dancing behavior! I wave my private parts at your aunties, you cheesy lot of second hand electric donkey bottom biters.”
“No chance, English bedwetting types. I burst my pimples at you and call your door opening request a silly thing. You tiny-brained wipers of other people’s bottoms!”
“Yes, depart a lot at this time and cut the approaching any more or we fire arrows at the tops of your heads and make castanents out of your testicles already! Ha ha!”
“And now remain gone illegitimate faced buggerfolk! And, if you think you got nasty taunting this time, you ain’t heard nothing yet! Daffy English kniggets! Thpppt!”
I never tire of watching that movie. I think I’ve seen it like 50 times by now.
What Kind Of Work For What Kind Of Society?
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“The French are rioting because they want a perfect, all-encompassing welfare state and excellent public services, but they don’t want to work for it. Macron is just another evil globalist, but he is actually right on this one: the French welfare system can’t survive if people retire at 62. Oh, and the French voted for him, so suck it up, messieurs!” ~ Hereward the Woke
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“The important thing to understand about collapse is that it’s brought on by overreach and overstretch, and people being zealots and trying too hard. It’s not brought on by people being laid back and doing the absolute minimum. Americans could very easily feed themselves and clothe themselves and have a place to live, working maybe 100 days a year. You know, it’s a rich country in terms of resources. There’s really no reason to work more than maybe a third of your time. And that’s sort of a standard pattern in the world. But if you want to build a huge empire and have endless economic growth, and have the largest number of billionaires on the planet, then you have to work over 40 hours a week all the time, and if you don’t, then you’re in danger of going bankrupt. So that’s the predicament that people have ended up in. Now, the cure of course is not to do the same thing even harder… what people have to get used to is the idea that most things aren’t worth doing anyway…” ~ Dmitry Orlov
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“Did you know that before the Industrial Revolution, the average person worked for about two or three hours a day? Studies from a wide range of pre-industrial civilisations show similar data– it takes only about fifteen hours a week to provide for all of our basic human needs. And that’s using hand tools.” ~ Anna Hess and Mark Hamilton
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“Using the data provided by the United State Bureau of Labor Statistics, Erik Rauch has estimated productivity to have increased by nearly 400%. Says, Rauch:
‘… if productivity means anything at all, a worker should be able to earn the same standard of living as a 1950 worker in only 11 hours per week.’
…Since the 1960s, the consensus among researchers (anthropologists, historians, sociologists), has been that early hunter-gatherer societies enjoyed much more leisure time than is permitted by capitalist and agricultural societies…” ~ Wikipedia
Now you’re singing my tune. Where is Homo Ludens – Man the Player?
Women hate him – they want washing machines and diamonds!
He waits in the darkness, trying to avoid the apes with the clubs. The capitalists/communists can’t tell the difference.
Alas, not even the Fascists and National Socialists can. Nietzsche could – but did the Nazis understand him when he talked like Zarathustra?
Of course you have to pay for your play. Those hunter gatherers had no insurance and would starve in things went south.
Have you read Olaf Stalpledon? The 15th human species on Uranus achieved full humanity at very long last. And the experience of the primitive was an essential part of that. Every young person would spend a few decades (they lived for thousands of years) on the undeveloped Southern Continent. There they would become part of a clan and tribe, hunt, make war against other clans and tribes, etc. Some loved it so much that they stayed forever, but this was looked down upon. But such people did help establish the continuity of life there so they served as well. Our own Gustaph is such a one. Many of the young would not return, dying in the struggles. The loss was considered worth the richness gained by the survivors.
Some of best of Star Trek portrayed this is as well – in a more gentle form. The Enterprise would encounter people living very simply, only to discover that they had advanced technology and had even explored the galaxy at one point. They gave it up to focus on quality – without becoming anti-technology. Simple living can be very pleasurable and profound, as long as mastery is maintained. For those that need the risk too – well perhaps they should get to choose that. The 15 men believe or will believe so.
Money, they say, is debt– a promise to pay it back when the biz picks up. But what is a main implication behind that? That the economy will grow.
But what if the economy hits a snag, like peak oil/energy, that causes it to cease growing and go into contraction?
Then banks, money, finance and so forth hit a kind of irrelevance and/or brick wall if you want to call it that.
So that’s where we seem to be and in all likelihood heading toward a Great Simplification based on a low energy lifestyle.
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“A low-energy policy allows for a wide choice of lifestyles and cultures. If, on the other hand, a society opts for high energy consumption, its social relations must be dictated by technocracy and will be equally degrading whether labeled capitalist or socialist.” ~ Ivan Illich
Yes, well said Ivan. As Bob Dobbs said, Slack! It’s the White Man’s Tao and the Black Man’s Funk.
As Louie said, if you gots to akse, you don’t gets to know.
As Lao Tzu put it, If one man calls out, What is the Tao? And another man answers him, neither one knows it.
It is in the middle of all things. Nay, at the top and bottom too! If you’re not having a good time, you’re not in it. Yet no exactly since it will sustain you in bad times too. It’s an inner thing – yet it would transform our outer society if allowed. Nothing is greater, yet it is humble and small.
Give me a lever and I will move the world. But what is the fulcrum to be? You guess it: Slack.
The ladies laugh at it – with terror in their hearts. If slack, then no diamonds. That’s the equation! If they did not laugh, mock, and fear, it isn’t Slack.
Yet nothing is harder. Think of water. Do mountains wash away water or water, mountains?
Oh ladies, the inner diamonds are created by inner work and pressure. They are best. If you see mine, I will share it with you and you, me. You don’t get what you aren’t willing to give after all.
The trick of pushing the retirement age up and up to cover for the failings and corruption of the state is getting old.
Here in Germany we are en route to retirement at 70. Just think about that.
I support the French fully on the retirement-age issue, but, ofc, the protests are about far more than just that — they are about a manlet globalist tyrant pushing the elimination of the democratic state as we know it over the edge.
Also, I disagree about mention of endless growth. The elites know we do not need endless growth. The primary function of things like the 40-hr. work week, the necessity of a college education, etc., is to keep the population economically stratified and controllable.
And we are, of course, witnessing an attempt to create a global serf class now. The only reason it didn’t come sooner is because those who desire it must wrest it from those who don’t.
That seems to make sense and admittedly that’s an older one by Orlov…
Elites/Gov’ts should know by now the relative impossibility of endless growth (although that”s not what it appears from a leaflet I have here), unless we are talking about a different kind of economic growth, like in different sectors and ‘green’ sectors, within what some might call circular or doughnut economies… perhaps inspired by the WEF and similar.
Large-scale centralized governments seem to be in a pickle: They need a lot of energy to project power and maintain control, but that energy is diminishing and perhaps in an accelerating fashion. So how to hold onto power? That seems to be the question or one of them and as such, we witness the effects. Controlled demolitions?
Anyway, I have said before that if I was an anthropologist of the far future and I had a time machine and a change to go to any human-historical time I wanted, now would seem a good one.
And so it is that we appear to be ‘living the dream’ and experiencing what it might have been like for our counterparts in other collapsing civilizations. Woo-hoo.
“Elites/Gov’ts should know by now the relative impossibility of endless growth…”
Of course they do. They have sold us the “Dream” to convince us to work ourselves to death, running the treadmill that transfers our wealth up to them. Once they have everything and we have nothing, they will dispense with those of us that are left.
If so, then they will collapse.
Owl, I think what disturbs some people about the protests in France is the physical destruction being wrought on France itself i.e. burning of the historic town hall in Bordeaux, vandalism of monuments in Nice & Paris, dumping of garbage in the public square at Reims etc. At some point the damage & destruction of French cities may become irreversible, at which point Paris could come to resemble squalid cesspits like SF, St. Louis or Baltimore.
Conservatives just like to lose elections every cycle by taking deserved pensions away from people who worked honorably for roughly 40 years or more and can’t physically handle it anymore. Slowing down inflation raises is rational but raising retirement age is cruel and politically stupid. Throw in near total abortion bans and you’re looking at a political movement that isn’t serious about taking power away from the Left.
Until you guys realize it’s nothing more than a game of monopoly, you will continue to waste time and energy debating policy mérits and effects.
Quotes and comments reveal that some still believe in the power of ‘truth’. You need to realize the counter moves to parry these anticipated thrusts were developed long ago. It’s simply part of power and control 101.
I’ve been saying for a long time, stop complaining. Look at the world as it truly exists – has always existed – and play accordingly.
Yawn.
What is your plan if a social credit system tied to a digital ID and WEF Food Hubs is implemented in the West, Mitchdog?
No doubt you have it all figured out.
Explain in detail how you will prosper in perpetual slavery spanning the globe.
Much like Paula D. or our seemingly departed Redneck Liberal, you will not respond of course, as this would require you to construct a coherent post and engage beyond the drive-by.
You see? No response from the Mitchster.
Just walk into the global plantation, kids.
““Did you know that before the Industrial Revolution, the average person worked for about two or three hours a day? Studies from a wide range of pre-industrial civilisations show similar data– it takes only about fifteen hours a week to provide for all of our basic human needs. And that’s using hand tools.” ~ Anna Hess and Mark Hamilton”
Really? Where? Maybe in Polynesia?
I would like to see some sources for this metric. Which people and which societies? Tahiti? Russian estates with serfs? The English countryside?
Perhaps the definition of “preindustrial” is the problem here.
Yeah, I’m not buying that, either. Just the time to clean things without modern conveniences must have taken up several hours a day, let alone doing manual labor, farming, hunting, etc.
@ MaryQueen:
Most likely, there is a miscalculation because of their definition of “work.” Things that women do, such as child care, washing up, sweeping the floor, and doing the wash, are not really work, by their definition. These are merely frivolous female entertainments that we do for fun.
Among ultra-orthodox Jews, there is a thoroughgoing definition of “work” not to be done on the sabbath. You may not even turn on a light switch–though I suppose you must still take care of the kids.
That’s all work, Anthea. Anything where we’re expending energy is work.
I think that is extrapolating the total work hours in a year and dividing it up.
Serfs and peasants worked very hard during the growing season, especially the planting and the harvesting.
We still sing the songs and repeat the cliches of those days, although clearly no one understands them. “Bringing in the sheaves”. “Many hands make light work”.
The leisure time came in the off season, and that’s also when they had the big parties, like the 12 days of Christmas. That is when they had the leisure time to enjoy the cornucopia of the harvest.
I think that Tahiti and other tropical places had easy living all year around.
I read a piece by Arundhati Roy about a man who had been forced out of the Indian jungle by miners supported by the Indian government. A real life Jungle Boy, or Jungle Man, actually.
He told her that in the jungle he knew of hundreds of fruits he could eat, but in the slums of Delhi he couldn’t afford any fruit at all, because it all cost money in the city.
That is our world, and we can’t even imagine that it was not always like this, even if we know it only started a couple of hundred years ago. In the west, that is. There are still a few jungle people left and some herders, in various places not yet tapped for oil drillling.
Speaking of herders still existing, I got this from a fb friend;
“Units of the Syrian Arab Army and the National Defense are now engaged in battles with ISIS terrorists in Badia Al-Masrab in the western countryside of Deir Ezzor, after ISIS terrorists attacked and kidnapped shepherds and stole sheep in Al-Khasha area in Badia. The clashes are underway to liberate the shepherds.”
It looks like the US is activating its ISIS storm troopers again.
And it looks like Syria is going to try to uproot the occupiers from its land (the US occupies 30% of Syrian land and is stealing their oil and wheat), just like the DPR and LPR is uprooting the Nazi terrorists from their land.
We will see what happens.
Good points. Farmers have a lot of leisure in the winter. But the quote was about hunter gatherers. They do seem to have had more leisure than us, but of course no security. 15 hours a week may be debatable of course.
“We still sing the songs and repeat the cliches of those days, although clearly no one understands them. “Bringing in the sheaves”. “Many hands make light work”.
The leisure time came in the off season, and that’s also when they had the big parties, like the 12 days of Christmas. That is when they had the leisure time to enjoy the cornucopia of the harvest.”
Huh, well who did the work to prepare for the parties and clean up afterwards?
There was plenty of work to be done in the “off-season.” Including, if you were unlucky, scrounging around for food by late winter.
The Hamiton-Hess quote is meaningless as provided.
Feedstock for fantasies of various sorts.
Is it work if you enjoy it? Is it work if you don’t get paid for it? It’s work if it needs to be done – as defined by who? What if it shouldn’t be done but pays very well? The height of virtue! More diamonds for the ladies and cars for the laddies.
What if you don’t get paid for it, you enjoy it, and it needs to be done? They like to see us unhappy, so no – not if it doesn’t bring in the bacon.
Farmers have less leisure time than hunter-gatherers
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“Summary:
Hunter-gatherers in the Philippines who adopt farming work around ten hours a week longer than their forager neighbors, a new study suggests, complicating the idea that agriculture represents progress. The research also shows that a shift to agriculture impacts most on the lives of women.” ~ University of Cambridge, May 21, 2019, via Science Daily
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@Islander:
Certainly there’re points to be made as to location, such as the more northerly latitudes. But they do have summers and resources like forests/wood and ‘low-tech’ approaches like canning, spicing, pickling, fermenting, freezing and/or cold storage and so forth for when the veggies are harder, if not impossible, to come by. Lots of deer in my region here too.
Yes, those will take more ‘work’, but some of it may feel less like work, at least to some people.
Even so, people even now, have to do exercise– a form of work that seems less useful in a sense– like at the gym/fitness club, and outside, jogging/biking/walking, presumably to make up for a more sedentary lifestyle.
See also an immediately-preceding response.
Yes, this bit of farmers relaxing in the off-season?
Nope. They still had to hunt or process animals. Women and men still had to clean, do maintenance on dwellings, and raise kids, cook, and do all the preserves/canning/salting/tanning, etc.
I doubt there was all this leisure time in the ‘off season.’
Zazelle,
Of course I inow all about the hunter-gatherer business.
However, “pre-industrial” does not mean hunter-gatherers.
See above, re definition of “preindustrial.”.
The End.
MaryQueen, are you talking about farmers or hunters-and-gatherers?
Sure, there’re different forms of work to be done at all times of the year no matter what, but how do they compare? (Perhaps we or our descendants will find experience some more kinds and contexts other than this one, via which we ‘communicate’, speaking of a context.
People still occupy large chunks of their time doing ‘work’ now, often, if not usually, in hyperspecialized, relatively-meaningless and disempowered roles/contexts (feeding the machine maybe or the elite/rich?), in sedentary contexts– you know obesity, heart problems, etc.?– often with children set to the wayside to be raised by ‘strangers’– outsourced, and yet also in the context of needed physical activity that gets re-routed or displaced into various gym/fitness-clubs and other assorted ‘single-purpose’ kinds of activities.
So naturally if we want to talk about ‘work’ we need to consider it systemically, contextually, and for example using cost-benefit analyses and so on, rather than, say, practically hand-wave it away with little to no support and/or elaboration.
Granted, this isn’t some kind of technical or scientific forum so I don’t necessarily expect it.
Not All People/Societies Work The Same
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@Islander, while part of my original quote included this bit:
“…Since the 1960s, the consensus among researchers (anthropologists, historians, sociologists), has been that early hunter-gatherer societies enjoyed much more leisure time than is permitted by capitalist and agricultural societies…” ~ Wikipedia
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…I decided to go to the horse’s mouth to look for an elaboration…
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“Thanks for commenting, Heather! I was hoping you would dig me out of this historical hole I’ve gotten myself into. 🙂
It sounds like I made a couple of mistakes. The first was lumping all of the people before the Industrial Revolution together into ‘pre-industrial’. I made that term up, but clearly it already had a meaning (that didn’t match my meaning. 🙂 ) Oops… 🙂
The author actually split these groups up, which it sounds like is the right thing to do. It sounds like he agreed with your historian group A who thought that pre-agricultural people spent very little time gathering and the rest having fun.
His examples after agriculture came along are a bit more vague. He does mention how many feast days people had in the Middle Ages. His vagueness is probably an attempt not to be ahistorical by using a modern concept of work on people who didn’t think of it that way. Still, if you look at wikipedia [entry, Working Time], which, I know, isn’t always completely accurate, they list a ‘laborer’ (whatever that is) in the UK working only 1440 hours per year, which would average out to a bit under four hours a day. Of course, I guess the big question is – is that working off the farm for someone else, with their own farm work added on top, or is that their sum total of what we would now call work?
On the other hand, that same wikipedia entry lists the average worker in Germany as working only 1364 hours per year, which is considerably less than the average worker in the U.S. today. So, clearly, in the modern world, you can live in a first world country and not work 40 hours per week.” ~ Anna Hess
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As a related aside:
“The basic principle behind the framework offered in this research focusing on the pre-industrial world, however, is that the configuration of society was more important for establishing resilient settlement development – a sentiment which I believe may be applicable for modern-day collapses in habitation. A big part of societies’ capacity to withstand environmental and economic crises is connected with equality: not just in the distribution of wealth or land, but an egalitarian distribution of power and involvement in essential decision-making processes, which determine the ways society is able to exploit and care for its resources.” ~ Daniel Curtis, Erasmus University Rotterdam
Did Hunter-Gatherers Work Less?
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March 26, 2023 at 1:39 am
We are allowing the debate about schools, education etc. to be lost by talking about “rights” instead of responsibilities.
Governments has NO rights only responsibilities. In regard to their children, parents have responsibilities not rights.
Start over.
Mitchellc — I must wonder what you think the lies of my youth were… or what you suppose they were. You might be surprised to learn that what I construed to be reality then was not based on lies. Anyway, you’re not in a position to judge that. — JHK Admin
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Wow, I feel honored to have warranted a direct response. That being said, it seems ironic that your ‘yes we can’ generation were the previous ‘woke’.
The lie of course is that government at any time ever represents anything other than class interests. If your 60s ideals felt honest and true, it’s because you didn’t see the hand.
These programmed behaviors are very difficult to dispel. Look at your own journey; only recently do your recent messages reflect hard, Assange/Snowden level realism.
To that I say, welcome to the other side.
What’s always amazed me is how easily and completely the idealism of the 60’s gave way to the turbocharged capitalism of 80’s and beyond. Granted, the government provided all the hype and financial incentives, but it’s not like they were exactly holding people’s feet to the fire, at least initially.