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This is our hard time. If you ever needed God, or some human representation of the good father, this would be the occasion; someone to guide and reassure you and inspire you to do your best under difficult circumstances. For the time being, America has Donald Trump. To the agnostical thinking class, with its obsessive loathing of men, white men especially, and white men in the father role most of all, Mr. Trump represents the ultimate grotesquerie. To that class of scribes, professors, assorted “creatives,” virtue signalers, and social justice seekers, even Tennessee Williams could not conjure up a more fearsome and detestable Big Daddy than Mr. Trump. Hence, their nonstop underhanded attempts to get rid of him the past three years — which had all the earmarks of a neurotic adolescent rebellion. (“The Resistance” was actually a good name for it.) And yet, there he stands at the podium in our hard time. You can call that a lot of things, but one of them has got to be: strength.

Yes, he is peculiar-looking: the strange blond helmet, the orange face. Note, back in one of America’s earlier hard times, a lot people thought Mr. Lincoln looked like a great ape, and had much sport with that image of him in the newspapers. It’s also a fact that the decisions he made led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of mostly young men in the bloodiest slaughters then imaginable. Yet those young men going to their deaths called him Father Abraham in their songs around the campfire. I’m not saying that Donald Trump is another Lincoln — certainly not in sheer rhetoric — but I am saying we don’t know yet what his mettle will show in this crisis,  and where it might take us. One thing for sure: he’s been subjected to more political abuse than any character on-the-scene in my lifetime, and it’s amazing that he didn’t fold or quit or lose his shit as it went on and on and on.

And so, you now have the strange and ironic spectacle of his organized opposition, the Democrats, hoisting up onto their pinnacle of leadership absolutely the weakest candidate possible to oppose Mr. Trump in the election: Joe Biden. There was something certainly supernatural about his ascent in the recent cluster of primaries, as if some gang of someones worked strenuously behind the scenes to make it happen. If Mr. Biden ever had any charisma even in his prime as a young senator, there was no sign of that now, either in his own bumbling behavior or in the sparse crowds that were flushed out of the DNC’s voter registration thickets to show up at his rallies. In fact, he emanated the exact opposite of charisma, a faltering flop-sweat odor of weakness, and of every kind of weakness: physical, mental, and ethical.

His role was not the good father, it was the half-crazy old uncle in the attic — the kind who puts on his threadbare best suit every day to go down to a corner bar and sip beers until it’s time to stagger back home, where a dutiful niece-in-law might give him supper, if he could manage to ask for it politely. The kind who, until his forced retirement due to incompetence and blundering, had worked as an errand boy for the local mob, picking up receipts from the numbers racket, and was then cast off like a banana peel in a drainage ditch when his usefulness ended.

Of course, Joe Biden’s eminence in government, as vice-president, afforded him grander opportunities for grift than that. He went into the anarchic mess of Ukraine — engineered by US agencies, by the way — as Mr. Obama’s “point man” and came away from it with at least several million dollars in a guaranteed revenue stream for his hapless fuck-up of a son, Hunter, and there’s hard evidence that many millions more found its way into Joe’s pockets, too, via Ukrainian oligarch money laundered through the banks of Estonia and Cyprus — who would look there? (Rudy Giuliani, actually.)

That is the sort of president America would get if they happen to elect Joe Biden. The Democratic Party could not elect a strong and stupendously corrupt woman in 2016, and they have reeled in disbelief at their own failure ever since. Now they are marching forward into a national election — if that election can even be held, and we don’t know that yet — with a nominee who looks and acts like a wax figure of a president in one of those eerie hushed chambers of Disneyland. But please understand, this is exactly what the Democrats have wished for lo these several years that have taken us into America’s hard time: weakness and their own death, by suicide. Let’s not go there with them.

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977 Responses to “Strength and Weakness”

  1. PeteAtomic March 20, 2020 at 9:55 am #

    “This is our hard time. If you ever needed God, or some human representation of the good father, this would be the occasion; someone to guide and reassure you and inspire you to do your best under difficult circumstances.”

    great advice, Jim…and eat well, rest well, and love well. This too shall pass.

    • FallenHero March 20, 2020 at 10:33 am #

      The corona virus may or may not be extremely dangerous, but what it IS offering is a excuse to funnel trillions of fed ‘dollars’ in to the economy, get us ready for police states and government intervention.

      I was watching the corona since early jan and prepared for it, but the numbers of dead/infected do NOT justify the radical actions the governments are taking. There is something else afoot, the more I study it, the more I think it is going to be more government overreach/police state like 9-11.

      • DrTomSchmidt March 20, 2020 at 10:48 am #

        D’ya think?

        Italy lost 410,000 people in 1918 to Spanish Flu. I’d be surprised if they get even half that now.

        • Elrond Hubbard March 20, 2020 at 11:20 am #

          We sure can hope so, DrTom. Because the ones who do have it right now are suffering badly, while medical personnel are working themselves to the bone to try to help them:


          If we get far fewer deaths than there were to the 1918 flu, that’s a good thing, and reflective of effective measures being taken — not an indication that the COVID-19 threat is overblown.

          This is applicable more widely. The Y2K bug, for example, was subject to much alarmism, including from JHK. The warnings were heeded, we did something about them, and Y2K passed without significant incident.

          Using a crisis as an excuse for overreach, by private actors as well as governments, is a well-understood issue, DrTom. If mass deaths end up not occurring, that’s reason for celebration, not reason to assume they were never a real danger.

          • CancelMyCard March 20, 2020 at 11:22 am #

            The Oligarchs never let a good crisis go to waste.

            If you thought self-enrichment was running amuck before this came up, you ain’t seen nothing yet.

          • hmuller March 20, 2020 at 11:26 am #

            People keep arguing about whether the corona virus is this or that. It can be both 1) a serious medical pandemic in its own right, and 2) the pin that popped the world financial bubble and justified increased tyranny by government.

          • EvelynV March 20, 2020 at 11:40 am #

            Brilliant comments!

            I’m slightly nauseated by JHK’s specious depiction of fat bastard reviled ONLY because of a whiteness issue. A lot more people than the demographics he tries to frame it down to regards Trump the total narcissistic buffoon, including former and probably current members of his so called administration and certainly most of the rest of the world.

            “Strength?” Are you fucking serious? Replace the character JHK fawns over with Caligula and most of the words still stick.

          • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 11:56 am #

            Nah, there was too much made over a problem with an easy fix, during the Y2K hysteria.
            We were talking about 2 digits in a computer field. If you can create a date field, you can go in and modify it.
            I never worried about it.

          • BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 12:00 pm #


            The fury from lefties like Elrond, K-Dog, and Evelyn is impressive; a hatred rarely seen or experienced. Well, they had their chance, but Bernie Sandals went down in flames; not enough Dems bought into the utopian progressive bullsh#t. Is that at the root of their discontent?


          • hmuller March 20, 2020 at 12:09 pm #

            BRH, Captain Ahab had his Moby Dick, and the people you mentioned have their Golden Golem to obsess over. I would suggest to them in a most kindly way ‘get over it!’.

            Our civilization is spiraling down into a black hole. Neither Trump nor anyone from their hall of hero’s can do a damn thing about it. The tide of history is too powerful.

          • Elrond Hubbard March 20, 2020 at 12:34 pm #

            Thank you for the compliment, EvelynV.

            BRH: Whether Bernie Sanders overcomes the now-daunting odds or not, he has done America a service by pulling the Democratic electoral field to the left.

            Who knows what will happen between now and November, but I would not be a bit surprised to see Trump take advantage of what Bernie has done and start making noises about supporting Medicare For All. There’s no way the Republican Party or Trump’s donors would stand for it, but for Trump the candidate there’s just no downside to outflanking Biden to the left. In fact, he’s very much the kind of con man who would cruise to re-election on the issue, then promptly forget about it the next day. At most, Trump might make some token gesture, like the Carrier thing – a total squib. He couldn’t care less what happens to the marks, as long as they give him four more years.

          • elysianfield March 20, 2020 at 4:06 pm #

            Strength?” Are you fucking serious?”


            Yes, strength comes in many forms. Consider Trump’s theme song…can you recall it?

            You cannot always get what you want, but sometimes you get what you need.

            I think you, I and everyone else needs it…good and hard.

            Of course, we may not like it.

          • EvelynV March 20, 2020 at 7:20 pm #

            hmulller, can’t disagree with a word of your blackhole metaphor.

            What you forgot to mention, and I don’t think you forgot because you are ignorant, I think you probably just forgot because you are old and sometimes get forgetful, is that Trump has sped up the tide to a frightful degree and perhaps worse than we know.

            China has the US by the balls, shriveled up as they have become, especially in the white community. China provides the medicine to keep many folks alive. China probably produces the test kits which we are desperately, thanks to other aspects of trump’s failures, in need of.

            So what does fat bastard do any chance he gets? He tries to shovel off his failure as a leader, a human, even as a living lump of soft jelly like flesh, onto the very people who are in a position to make us the last ones allowed into the life boat, if at all.

            When the time comes it is probably going to be the Chinese who manufacture whatever remedies are devised. The discovery most of the cancer arresting or curing drugs already.

            Trump daily puts more lives in danger. Has he told any lies about testing kits and activity. I haven’t been paying that much attention to his words, whenever he speaks on television I have an urgent impulse to rush to the water closet.

          • Exscotticus March 21, 2020 at 1:25 pm #

            If that video was meant to depict medical personnel “working themselves to the bone” then FAIL.

            They even had time and energy for an impromptu interview…

            Your position that the LACK of evidence for a response proves that the response is justified turns logic on its head as usual.

          • Elrond Hubbard March 21, 2020 at 7:35 pm #

            Exscotticus… I dunno. I threw in that video link as an illustration.

            If you’re expecting me to shoulder the entire metaphysical burden of supporting a simple idea, like medical personnel are working hard at helping COVID-19 patients, you’re just broadcasting to the whole world how unserious you are.

            There’s more than one kind of derangement syndrome going around, I think.

          • Exscotticus March 22, 2020 at 12:41 pm #

            No, Elrond, “working hard” is not the same as “working themselves to the bone “. The latter implies an unsustainable situation bording on collapse, which of course was your intention.

            Your sense of self importance in communicating these ideas is misguided, since all you’re doing is parroting the MSM’s virus sensationalism.

        • Tate March 20, 2020 at 2:26 pm #

          “Italy lost 410,000 people in 1918 to Spanish Flu. I’d be surprised if they get even half that now.” — Dr Tom Schmidt

          You can’t call it Spanish Flu anymore, Dr. Tom. The (((Gatekeepers))) at Wikipedia are working overtime (see discussion box at top of article) to get the name changed to “1918 influenza pandemic”. In fact, by the time you click the link, you may be directed to the desired title. See, that un-PC (as of four days ago) title doesn’t fit the agenda anymore. Hence down the Memory hole. (It’s all about power or as they say, “Who/Whom?”)

          • abbybwood March 20, 2020 at 3:36 pm #

            I didn’t realize the 1968 “Noro-virus” originated in Norwalk, Ohio! A mere 17 miles from my hometown!

            Norwalk virus! Norwalk virus! Norwalk virus!!!!

          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 7:49 pm #

            Tate, the proper name of the ‘Spanish Flu’ is the ‘1918 influenza epidemic’. That’s what it’s generally called in medical articles (like the following):


            Most such articles will refer to it as ‘Spanish flu’ in brackets, since that is its colloquial name. Erroneous, as we know, since it didn’t originate in Spain. A number of the people in the ‘discussion’ you cite don’t seem to be aware that it didn’t originate in Spain (it appears to have originated in Kansas).

            What I can’t imagine is what you think the people whose name you can’t just write in plain English would get out of giving it its proper title in Wikipedia. Why would ‘Spanish flu’ be a problem for them in particular and what is politically correct or incorrect about either name?

            I’m genuinely confused. And would you prefer if we eschew political correctness, is such it is, and call it by its more accurate name, Kansas flu? Or just American flu?

          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 7:50 pm #

            Sorry, meant ‘pandemic’, not epidemic.

          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 7:50 pm #

            And I didn’t mean in brackets, I meant ‘in inverted commas’!

          • Tate March 20, 2020 at 8:54 pm #

            Thanks, Gatekeeper. We understand you were once a ‘Content Development Specialist,’ as you yourself styled yourself, so again, thanks, Gatekeeper.

            As to why the Gatekeepers at Wikipedia who are also (((Gatekeepers))) at Wikipedia (a significant plurality if not a majority of the former) are trying to expunge the “Spanish flu” article, or have it renamed the “1918 flu pandemic,” if it isn’t obvious to you, I will explain.

            They want to suddenly create the impression in the public’s mind that it’s not PC to call any viral pandemic after a region or country. The fact that the most famous modern pandemic didn’t actually begin in Spain is irrelevant. They want to make it seem that it’s RACIST! to dare identify any pandemic by a country of origin.

            The fact is that until last week, there was no outcry against this practice. In fact, they themselves indulged in it & there are many examples of this. (Here, by ‘they’, I mean leftists in general) It’s only because Trump is insisting on calling it the Chinese virus that they are making an issue of it. Because in the last analysis, it’s all about power, not consistency or reason.

            And, yes, I understand that (((they))) — having the highest average verbal intelligence in the world — tend to stick out in some situations when we seek to identify patterns. Sorry (not) if it offended you.

          • Tate March 20, 2020 at 8:57 pm #

            And I hope I don’t have to spell out that the overwhelming majority of (((them))) are anti-Trump, although God knows why, he’s given them so much.

          • GreenAlba March 21, 2020 at 5:35 am #

            I don’t give a flying fuck about your attempts to offend, Tate. You are the kind of man you are. Which is to say the kind I’d have nothing to do with in real life.

            I still don’t know why you can’t say the name out loud instead of doing the dumb thing like a fourteen-year-old.

            Except that your continued drivel about the ancient imposed (by Americans) job title (I remained a development editor throughout) makes you more like eight.

            Calling this the Chinese coronavirus or any other flu the Chinese flu would lead to confusion down the line – proper names (with dates) are what medical people use when writing or searching the literature. I realise that you prefer not to read the literature, but that’s not my fault.

            With your gatekeeper nonsense, you not only reach the intellectual level of the 14- then 8-year old. You are a very, very small man.

            Little Man Tate, as I said before. No Tolstoy you, beard or no beard.

          • GreenAlba March 21, 2020 at 5:38 am #

            I can always tell you’re in a tizzy and have lost your argument as soon as you bring up ‘content development specialist’ (even though you haven’t the slightest notion what it means in the context of a medical book.

            So keep on doing it and I’ll keep on knowing you know you’ve lost your argument or never had one in the first place.

            People like you showing yourself for what you are is slightly entertaining.

          • Iananna March 21, 2020 at 5:45 am #

            “Who controls the Present, controls the Past. Who controls the Past, controls the Future”
            If any.
            I found a copy of George R Stewart’s “Earth Abides” in an op-shop (good will?) a fortnight ago which I read 40yrs ago as a callow youth, shit scared by M.A.D. and thought overblown.
            Today it seems like yesterday’s news.
            Enjoy 2020, it will certainly be Interesting Times.

          • GreenAlba March 21, 2020 at 5:56 am #

            BTW, your reasoning was obvious to me – you didn’t need to explain. I gave you the reasoning by which such epidemics/pandemics are given a proper name in the scientific literature. And the reasoning why the current colloquialism is inaccurate.

            ‘Spanish flu’ will continue to be colloquially called ‘Spanish’ until enough people know it was actually ‘American’ flu. Firstly it will be referred to as ‘so-called Spanish flu’ (and the reasoning will be included in Trivial Pursuits questions) and then its colloquial name will morph to fit the facts.

            I still don’t know why you prefer to have it called American flu than ‘the 1918 flu pandemic’, which has the advantage of utter clarity, but reason is not the forte of the obsessed. We know that everything American is bigger, but even so…

          • GreenAlba March 21, 2020 at 5:59 am #

            And I meant your ‘Gatekeeper nonsense’ in relation to me, since I have no say in anything whatever. I am perfectly aware of media manipulation, but you’ve really picked the wrong fight here because the whole thing’s based on ignorance of the facts, something shared by the dimwits in the ‘discussion box’.

          • GreenAlba March 21, 2020 at 7:27 am #

            The thing is I don’t give a flying fuck if it’s referred to colloquially as the Chinese coronavirus anyway. It will still have a scientific name which will distinguish it from other coronaviruses (I’m sure they have the common cold still running in China just now too).

            I do think, however, that this is not the specific time to piss off the Chinese, who can stop your medicines, car parts or whatever they fancy whenever they want.

            Afterwards, when it’s post-mortem time, extremely serious talks need to be had with Beijing (not conducted in public because that’s not the best way to actually get what you want in this instance) to get them to use their ‘admirable’ powers of surveillance to fling in jail for a very long time anyone caught eating the kind of exotic diet that seems to have caused this thing in the first place. Leave the Uighurs alone and concentrate on draconian measures to re-educate the wet-market users.

            Not that that will solve all such outbreaks. Avian flu and swine flu will continue to exist regardless. Like the one that started in a farm in Kansas.

            By the way, when you use phrases like ‘we understand you were once…etc. etc.’ your appeal to the crowd just shows, yet again, that you’re Little Man Tate. Stand on your own two feet when you’re delivering your pathetic insults.

          • Tate March 21, 2020 at 11:29 am #

            You wrote that you were “genuinely confused.” I took you at your word & tried explaining it to you but in return I got nothing but gratuitous insults. Talk about “biting the hand that feeds you.”

            And I don’t appreciate your calling me Little Man since I am in fact 5’2″ tall, yet can bench press 350 lbs. I’m going to consult my nephew the virologist to check whether you’re correct about that terminology.

          • Exscotticus March 21, 2020 at 1:35 pm #

            If we adhere to the convention of naming viruses from their suspected points of origin, then it should be Wuhan Virus.

            Why not China Virus? Because it’s too broad, and there will likely be other viruses from China in the future. It’s also needlessly provocative.

            Why not Chinese Virus? Because “Chinese” is not a place; it’s a worldwide class of people. Because it’s confusing. Which Chinese? The ones in America? Because it’s needlessly provocative. Why stigmatize a single race and 50+ ethnicities?

          • Tate March 21, 2020 at 1:59 pm #

            Trump is like a bull in a China shop. He keeps calling it the “China virus” in order to break things. In the future everyone will know which virus you’re referring to if you call it the “China virus.”

          • Q. Shtik March 21, 2020 at 4:31 pm #

            Why not Chinese Virus? – exscott


            When Pearl Harbor was attacked our nation was enraged. A radio announcer said “Everybody today would like to take a crack at the Japs.” He didn’t say Japanese. Nicknames can change words from polite expression to pejorative.

            And so, by simply removing the letter s from the word Chinese you get Chinee and it’s got that perfect disrespectful negative/pejorative ring to it… the Chinee Virus.

            If you want to pin the blame on a country this would be my recommendation. 🙂

          • GreenAlba March 21, 2020 at 7:51 pm #


            You are exactly right, amalgamating what I said above about ‘Chinese’ lacking clarity with what I would have added had I not spent the day travelling, i.e. that Wuhan is a more appropriate colloquial name for the current virus, which was actually referred to as exactly that in the early stages before it was given its official name of SARS-Cov-2 (Covid19).

            This would make Kansas flu the sensible name for the 1918 pandemic, given the best knowledge on the matter, in line with ‘American’ being as vague as ‘Chinese’. That would inexplicably leave Tate a little butt hurt but tant pis.

            However, it has so long had the nickname of ‘Spanish flu’ that the name is likely to stick, even in the form of ‘so-called Spanish flu’.

          • GreenAlba March 21, 2020 at 7:57 pm #

            Although my carp about clarity isn’t so much about geography as chronology. I suspect it will not be the last virus originating in China.

            And, leaving aside the issue of weird menu items, there remains the issue of proximity to domesticated birds. And anyone complaining about that needs to check where their duvet comes from and whinge or not accordingly.

            (My goose down one comes from Hungary!).

          • GreenAlba March 21, 2020 at 8:08 pm #


            At 7.49 I addressed you a polite and informative post. You responded to this with moronic insults calling me a ‘gatekeeper’, with gratuitous nonsense about an old job title, into whose significance in the field of medical publishing you have not the slightest insight – all wrapped up in the obfuscation of demented and irrelevant antisemitic idiocy that would shame a thirteen-year-old.

            So quit with the disingenuous revisionist drivel about your benign intent.

            And I have no interest in your physical height. It is your pygmy-sized moral compass that concerns me.

          • GreenAlba March 21, 2020 at 8:10 pm #

            And leave your virologist nephew in peace from your pathetic appeals to lesser authority.


          • GreenAlba March 21, 2020 at 8:14 pm #

            And Little Man Tate is just a handy film title, as I explained to you before.

          • Exscotticus March 22, 2020 at 12:53 pm #

            For those who might not know all the facts, the reason Trump calls it the Chinese virus is a reaction to China allegedly calling this the American virus. He didn’t call it the Chinese virus prior to these allegations.

            Foreign Ministry spokesman Lijian Zhao tweeted, “it might be US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan” and demanded the US “Be transparent! Make public your data! US owe us an explanation!”

            Trump has called it the Chinese virus ever since.

          • GreenAlba March 22, 2020 at 4:17 pm #

            Thank you Exscotticus. That merely confirms that neither appellation (American or Chinese virus) has anything to do with scientific accuracy, but rather with geopolitical tit-for-tat name calling.

            As such it has even less to do with the issue of giving what is erroneously and colloquially referred to as Spanish flu its proper name of ‘the 1918 flu pandemic’ on Wikipedia.

      • ellipsis March 20, 2020 at 10:48 am #

        The dead and infected numbers are starting to look strangely suspicious as well. Your instincts about government overreach are well founded. Too early to tell exactly what this is yet, but the smart money’s saying it’s definitely not what it’s being portrayed to be at the current time.

        • capt spaulding March 20, 2020 at 11:05 am #

          All I will say, is that nobody had Coronavirus when people were eating Tide Pods. Figure it out for yourself.

          • BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 1:03 pm #

            Good point, Captain. Tide pods could be the magic elixer.

            Wasn’t grinding up condoms and snorting them a teenage craze for awhile, too. I don’t believe that one lasted too long.

        • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 12:17 pm #

          We knew TPTB might go so far as to crash the economy to rid themselves of Trump.
          I think this virus may just be a fortuitous excuse to not only do that, but also finish the job they started after 9/11, of installing an authoritarian government under the guise of “safety”.
          This has been creeping up on us for decades, now we see the final attempt.

        • EvelynV March 20, 2020 at 7:25 pm #

          Even the stupid money should think that.

          Fat bastard’s early on attempts to suppress testing has been pretty successful at prolonging the darkness he worked at so fervently to cloak us in.

          He is so entirely stupid he didn’t have the imagination to foresee how badly his handling of the crisis he refused to recognize was going to maul him in the stock market.

      • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 11:17 am #

        The corona virus is extremely dangerous.

        The police state is necessary to bring it under control. I advocate using existing software already used to track dissidents be repurposed to track newly discovered infections after sequester in place does what it can to allow people already infected to recover.

        After that the existing software can be used used to track both dissidents and infected people.

        Software already can network phones into a net so full group surveillance is a reality and has been for years.

        • hmuller March 20, 2020 at 11:22 am #

          I feel safer already. Who needs those dissidents who think outside the box? Humans are much happier as flouride dumbed down, corn syrup guzzling zombies.

        • elysianfield March 20, 2020 at 4:11 pm #

          “The corona virus is extremely dangerous”

          More so than we might understand at this early stage.

          BBC reports a large Italian family in New Jersey held an event with many later becoming ill with the CV. Four dead from the same family…none showing underlying conditions, middle age, save for the mother, who was 73.

          Let’s consider this a known unknown, M’kay?

        • Iananna March 21, 2020 at 5:53 am #

          Those Black copters & detention camps of yore are looking pretty spiffy now.

      • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 11:57 am #

        Newsom just ordered everyone to stay in their homes.

      • Nightowl March 20, 2020 at 12:10 pm #

        Problem –> reaction—>solution.

        A tactic common among abusers of all sorts, as well as psychopaths at the highest levers of power. The global plantation is coming. Trump is trying to stop it, but what comes after him?

        • Janos Skorenzy March 20, 2020 at 1:03 pm #

          Right, that’s why he wanted to legalize all the illegals, except for really “bad hombres”. The economy was going to be so good that we NEEDED them!

          Until you can see past the duality they’ve set up, you’ll always going to be fall for the good cop/bad cop routine.

          That’s why they can’t stand Third Parties – even one would put a real dent in the whole game.

          • Nightowl March 20, 2020 at 6:39 pm #

            Right, and I see little to no evidence whatsoever that Trump is part of the binary.

            I agree about third parties, and there is a reason Trump did not run as a third-party candidate.

      • Collin27 March 21, 2020 at 4:56 pm #

        What is at play here is the financial system has been exposed and there is a desperate act to try to stop it from falling further.

    • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 11:19 am #

      If you think you need GOD in this spell the word backwards. Dog is what you need.

      • hmuller March 20, 2020 at 10:08 pm #

        Yes, and at the center of life is a big “IF”. Make of it what you will.

    • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 11:58 am #

      My church shut down because Cuomo told them they had to.

      • Janos Skorenzy March 20, 2020 at 1:05 pm #

        If the Churches were for real, they would say no to that. Are they essential services or are they not? They obviously don’t believe in themselves, do they?

        • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 1:18 pm #

          They have an older congregation. Those who truly need to work about infection already know to stay home. Nobody seems to get this.

          • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 1:44 pm #

            Worry, not work.

        • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 9:15 pm #

          “Are they essential services or are they not?”

          They may be an essential service to those who need them but there are other ways of delivering that service in a situation like this. I showed you the edition of the Straits Times that had an article saying the South Korean government wanted to pursue a murder charge against that bizarre cultish church where their own outbreak of the virus was incubated.

    • EvelynV March 20, 2020 at 1:49 pm #

      Need God?
      You are God
      But you don’t know it
      You forgot
      How you programmed it
      Programmed to forget
      Experience your reality
      God watches
      Waiting for you to remember
      You are the watcher
      Loop until you find the way
      Love hides in familiar faces
      Love hides in molecular structure
      Love comes when you least expect it
      Beauty is the universe gazing at itself in a mirror

      • WayfaringStranger March 20, 2020 at 2:38 pm #

        It’s nice for others here that she felt compelled to reveal herself so fully.
        It’s unfortunate however that the desire to be god is an embedded part of human nature. Reading such words as Evelyn writes here, some will respond with n elevated and hopeful yearning to “finally be free” and things of that sort. Others maybe respond more openly malevolently.
        The examples of destruction that results when people do make that choice (to any degree, large or small) are countless. You can see them in your own life, community, relationships, and throughout human history.
        When someone, coyly or cleverly, urges you to give in to this impulse, as Evelyn has here – do not.

        • EvelynV March 20, 2020 at 5:55 pm #

          Or do if you are sufficiently illuminated.

          Belief in deities is so dark ages.

          There is NOT a deity.

          Only CONSCIOUSNESS.

          You are in a dream and when you die you wake up.

          • Daddyotis March 20, 2020 at 6:01 pm #

            Ha ha ha!

            How “humanistic” of you, E. I’ll bet the tens of millions of tortured dead souls who were the victims of this govt-mandated, proudly-hailed ideal of “freedom through atheism” might disagree, however.

            It just hasn’t ever been implemented correctly, right?

          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 9:11 pm #

            “tens of millions of tortured dead souls ”

            Tortured dead souls? Is that your god of love at it again?


          • hmuller March 20, 2020 at 10:13 pm #

            “I show how much I care about you by the frequent beatings” Also the guiding philosophy of traditional Russian husbands.

          • GreenAlba March 21, 2020 at 7:07 am #

            Yes, we know, hm.

            The rationalisations of the wife-beaters are as sick as they ever were. And people who hit less physically strong people are exactly the same scum as they ever were too.

    • draupnir March 20, 2020 at 3:11 pm #

      An elderly poster, from another site, who was a teenager at the time, the youngest of four, told us his depression story and I’ve never forgotten it.

      The crash of ’29 never touched his father, as his father didn’t speculate in stocks. The part-owner of a small manufacturing firm, he was still doing fine, and the poster remembered that he bought his sister a bright blue roadster with yellow tires for her high school graduation.

      Then, the business situation worsened. Orders became fewer and component parts harder to come by. At first, they only let the women who were not heads of households and the young, unmarried men go. They kept the breadwinners as long as they could, and occupied them with sweeping and painting when there was no manufacturing to be done. They burned through all their money and finally had to close their doors.

      On the home front, they had to economize. The luxuries went first. The coal man, who shoveled coal into the furnace, and the gardener had to be let go. The poster and his older brother were chagrined to learn those chores were now their responsibilities. His mother was going to let the housemaid go, as well, but the girl begged to be allowed to work for room and board alone.

      His mother was reluctant to work the girl too hard, as she wasn’t being paid, so his mother and sister took on more of the household chores, and took in boarders to earn a little cash. When the maid’s parents were evicted. They cleaned out the chicken coop for them and their children.

      The poster’s oldest brother, married and with small children, lost his job as an accountant, so they were moved into their summer cottage. They now had around 16 people to feed.

      They started selling whatever they could. Land, his mother’s jewelry, silver and china and crystal, his father’s stamp collection, anything that wasn’t functional and necessary, only precious to them. I guess they never could unload that blue roadster.

      His older brother decided to ride the rails to see if he could find work somewhere. His mother begged him not to do that, but he was nearly a man and she couldn’t prevent him. He wrote to tell them he had found something temporary, out west somewhere and would come home with the money when he was finished. He wrote to say he was on his way back and to watch for him around a certain date, but he didn’t show up. As the days passed, his mother grew more anxious and then frantic. For weeks they heard nothing, and then they were notified that he had been found, frozen to death in a boxcar. He’d been hit over the head with a club, by a railroad detective, and left to die. His wages were still pinned to the inside of his shirt.

      When things started to improve, his father finally found work as a janitor and kept that job to his dying day. He was able to save his home, for which a balloon payment was due, with some program of Roosevelt’s, though most of the land, other than the home acre, was long gone.

      • BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 6:25 pm #

        Let’s hope it doesn’t come to all that, Draupnir.

        • draupnir March 20, 2020 at 7:22 pm #

          It’s been done before. By the time this is finished we will probably all be pretty much ruined, not matter what happens with the virus. The survivors of that last convulsion are mostly dead now and the suffering is mostly forgotten. My mother is 87 and she was born during the Depression and doesn’t remember much, except that all of her uncles lived with them at one time or another. My grandfather rode the rails and he said that trains full of men heading east to look for work passed trains full of men heading west to look for work. The farmers had pretty much given up their horse-drawn technology and the banks were glad to give them loans to buy tractors and other automated equipment. They put up their farms as collateral and when they defaulted on their loans, the banks came in and liquidated them at auction and put them off their land. Farmers in California, unable to sell their oranges would pile them up and douse them with gasoline, so the destitute, unable to afford such an indulgence, couldn’t eat them. Many people lost their houses because they couldn’t meet their balloon payments. The bankers and the rich rampaged through the land picking up anything of value for pennies on the dollar.

          • Janos Skorenzy March 20, 2020 at 10:13 pm #

            If you can’t sell it, destroy it. So American. As Prabhupad said of his godbrothers, Their philosophy is if you can help someone by farting, hold it in.

          • draupnir March 21, 2020 at 12:21 am #

            Yes, it was uncharitable of them.

        • draupnir March 20, 2020 at 9:50 pm #

          Then they started the whole thing over again.

      • Iananna March 21, 2020 at 6:06 am #

        They started selling whatever they could. Land, his mother’s jewelry, silver and china and crystal, his father’s stamp collection…” to those who, mysteriously, still had cash to buy it.
        Whenever we hear of hardship in the 3rd World (as was) there are tales of having to sell… whatever.
        Then the Oxfams (60yrs fighting poverty and the CEO is on £370K pa) of the world as for cash – to buy food – from locals.
        What is lacking is not wealth but civis, a long forgotten concept.

        • Iananna March 21, 2020 at 6:10 am #

          oops, “of the world ASK for cash

          • draupnir March 21, 2020 at 3:44 pm #

            Coffee can and under the mattress banks didn’t fail.

        • draupnir March 21, 2020 at 3:34 pm #

          That was one of those good, old, Roman virtues, so admired, so rarely practiced.

    • outsider March 20, 2020 at 7:29 pm #

      Oh, for the days when we could actually “go down to a corner bar and sip beers until it’s time to stagger back home.” Alas, they have all been closed by the Czars. And, to top it off, with no sports to watch, how long till these lost men go crazy.

    • gonetohell March 22, 2020 at 4:11 pm #

      The only ones that will continue to rest well, and EAT well, are the pigs that have been resting and well all along.Corporations will be bailed out, again, under the guise of somehow helping the middle class worker. Just as they did in 08 when they saved the banks while workers lost their homes and jobs, the political deviants will take care of the donor class.

  2. RaymondR March 20, 2020 at 10:05 am #

    Great post Jim

    The current crisis may, just may, provide an opportunity for reform of at least some of the problems afflicting us in N. America. Maybe I am too optimistic.

    • malthuss March 20, 2020 at 10:24 am #

      If ‘it’ makes us close the border or have a border.

      • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 11:25 am #

        The horse was out of the barn on the border question weeks ago. COVID-19 outbreaks all circle around major airports. ‘Border’ is not the subject of this blog for a few hours.

        Jet airliners turned out to be the equivalent of city drones in a silent attack far more vicious than 9-11. In 9-11 terrorists were the terror. This time around the fruits of globalized western industrial civilization produces the terror.

        • JohnAZ March 20, 2020 at 11:43 am #

          Face it, whatever the source, through the border, cruise ships or airplanes, the introduction of viral vectors is easy in the modern world. So when it happens that a virus becomes successful, until the “border” is sealed, the virus prevails.

          Unless a virus killer is discovered, then borders do not matter, again.

          China’s ego is the number one guilty party here. If they had surrounded the emerging bubble in December, did the isolation things it finally did anyway, the single cluster might have been controlled.

          The world by ignoring the potential spread, condemned us to what we are seeing today. Where were the folks to stop China flights into Milan or Iran? Or the US, or Europe?

          All the idiots trying to blame Trump for this should stop throwing stones in their glass houses!

          • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 12:20 pm #

            I noticed a tweet by Chuck Schumer where he took President Trump to task for racism has disappeared.

          • EvelynV March 20, 2020 at 7:45 pm #


            You are nuts. We don’t know what small number of Chinese were able to suppress action for as long as they did, but you can be sure it was only because of the decision of one two important people.

            Whoever they were, were protected from total blame in some degree because they were operating much more in the dark. Whatever there is to say about that, once they realized mistakes were made they went whole hog dealing with it.

            Along comes our fat ass of a so called leader and he is no longer shielded by even so much as the veil of ignorance a couple of Chinamen had. China’s world known distress is the reason the rest of the world is not treating this like flue. Italians were late to wake up to the fact but fatso knew from the get go and he tried harder than any Chinaman ever thought of to deceive his own people. At least forever how long it tooks his cohorts to drain what they could from the stock market while the getting was still good,

            This is an apocalyptic event and you don’t even realize it. It’s more trite than calling a world leader you don’t like a Hitler, but if I believed in the book of superstition, ie. the bible, it would be difficult not to recognize someone who I won’t mention but his son’s name is Baron, as fitting the description of the anti-christ almost to a T.

          • Tate March 21, 2020 at 11:47 am #

            “Italians were late to wake up to the fact but fatso knew from the get go and he tried harder than any Chinaman ever thought of to deceive his own people.”

            Why would he do that, Evelyn? Doesn’t make sense to try to suppress knowledge of something that can’t be suppressed. Not that I think Orange man can do no wrong but events are moving fast & he’s been dealing with the facts as they arrive.

          • EvelynV March 21, 2020 at 1:53 pm #


            You are evidently living in a cave,


          • Tate March 21, 2020 at 2:13 pm #

            They say it takes a certain amount of psycho-pathology to make a great political leader. Look at Churchill. Look at Roosevelt. He is definitely no Jimmy Carter.

        • Janos Skorenzy March 20, 2020 at 1:09 pm #

          I’m afraid that’s simply not possible. Everything that is defined, that is to say, everything that is has a border. You don’t have borders? And not just your skin? Can I walk up to you and say something horrible and not be rebuffed?

          a is a. That’s a border, one that makes life possible. a is not b – another one. Try living as if that’s not true. a is not a? Not all saber tooth tigers are like that. Fail.

    • FallenHero March 20, 2020 at 10:36 am #

      I hope so too, but seeing a lot of this monetary corruption continue (such as the senators inside trading before telling us how bad the virus is) I am not too hopeful.

    • DrTomSchmidt March 20, 2020 at 10:46 am #

      Like, firing everyone at the CDC who doesn’t work on infectious disease?

  3. shotho March 20, 2020 at 10:05 am #

    I suppose it really matters who is elected in November, but from the current vantage point, there doesn’t seem much for him to do but preside graciously over the ongoing national decline.

  4. par4 March 20, 2020 at 10:08 am #


    • malthuss March 20, 2020 at 10:20 am #


      • malthuss March 20, 2020 at 10:21 am #

        Italy is a dying country–dying from many other things, including its failure to replace itself–but it is…a dying country.

        The people we’re told who’ve died from corona were old with conditions that would predispose them to fail victim to almost any attack on their system.
        To shutter businesses, which will kill economies all over the world tells me something else entirely is going on here–something very sinister.

        –I am going out into the quarantine, to get provisions. Wish me luck.

        • DrTomSchmidt March 20, 2020 at 10:35 am #

          It looks like a controlled deflation of the asset bubble. The stock market capitalization will not return to 150% of gdp any time soon, unless GDP drops to match the lowered capitalization.

          • AKlein March 20, 2020 at 1:05 pm #

            Excellent observation, Dr Tom. This corona virus “thing” has been extremely well choreographed.

          • DrTomSchmidt March 20, 2020 at 7:13 pm #

            I think it’s a crisis that’s been put to use. I cannot imagine that they planned this, even given the relatively light death toll.

        • FallenHero March 20, 2020 at 10:38 am #

          What do you mean? I am pretty hard on the police state idea, especially with bill gates wanting to id everyone, loosely implying chipping them. This is whacko conspiracy, he outright said it recently on some reddit threads and a site I think called id2020.org

          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 10:47 am #

            “This is whacko conspiracy”

            Amen. No shortage of it unfortunately. As Professor Osterholm pointed out, nature can do a much better job of this stuff than we can.

          • JohnAZ March 20, 2020 at 10:50 am #

            Silicon Valley wants to use their high tech to control everything. Their answer to every problem is to computerize it. They, hopefully, will be regarded as the enemy of humanity, the humanity they want to replace with AI.

            If exposing their evil is a result of the virus, it may be worth it.

          • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 11:33 am #


            I’m thinking Osterholm had the stealth nature of the spread of COVID on his mind when he said that. The diabolical spread of the virus would be a hard thing to engineer without test. Hard enough to be impossible. Something only evolution in a mammal could produce and testing a pandemic would be hard to hide. Anybody who still advocates conspiracy theories are trying to cover up for government incompetence. Power has minions.

        • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 10:45 am #

          You’re actually going out of the quarantine, malthuss, but if you feel you need luck, then I wish you luck.

          I go to the corner shop every morning while walking the hound – this morning for a fresh baguette and some milk. Those of us who live more closely with the rest of our community are in it whether we like it or not.

          And I’m assuming from a considerable number of unpleasant ageist epithets hurled my way that you are rather younger than me.

          So maybe man up a bit. Your chances are pretty good.

          • hmuller March 20, 2020 at 11:54 am #

            You GA, are a “coincidence theorist” in contrast to we the “conspiracy theorists”. I don’t expect you to change your mind, but I hope you can understand that other ways of interpreting the world can be sane and plausible.

            Yes, government is full of incompetent, selfish, short sighted people. Accidents and coincidences happen. But people acting in concert to do wicked things is also part of our reality.

            You may not believe COVID-19 was deliberately released, you may not even believe it’s a humanly modified virus. But do you believe there are no Bio Labs funded by governments creating such “bugs”?

          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 12:01 pm #

            “But do you believe there are no Bio Labs funded by governments creating such “bugs”?”

            No, I don’t believe that at all, hm. Not sure why you’d think I would, unless you insist on seeing people’s views as caricatures.

            Have you listened to Prof. Osterholm? He explains why scientists do not believe this virus was engineered or could have been engineered. Happy to hear from you with specific arguments against his arguments once you’re listened.

          • Nightowl March 20, 2020 at 12:16 pm #

            I don’t know whether the Wuhan Virus was deliberately released, but I do know there was a biolab 900 feet from the supposed site of the outbreak.

          • hmuller March 20, 2020 at 12:16 pm #

            GA, I did a quick google search and got a long list of articles debunking the silly ideas I expressed above. Thank goodness we live in a world where the moguls of the internet censor ideas to protect us from bad thoughts.

          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 12:33 pm #

            “I don’t know whether the Wuhan Virus was deliberately released, but I do know there was a biolab 900 feet from the supposed site of the outbreak.”

            I know that too, Nightowl. I think everyone does.

            I haven’t checked all the other biolabs in China, though, to see whether they are near sites of human habitation (you’d think they’d have to be if people work in them) and to check if any others also have markets 900 metres from them.

            You are welcome to your circumstantial evidence. Professor Osterholm is very aware of it too. I hope you will never demand or expect anything more exacting should you ever find yourself accused unjustly of a heinous crime.


            That guy was only yards away. Good enough for the jury.

          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 12:39 pm #

            hm, you are welcome to whatever thoughts you like.

            I didn’t ask if you’d read multiple sources of ‘debunking’, but merely if you’d listened to Professor Osterholm. I consider him ‘authoritative’ but in a good way.

            You may not agree, which is absolutely perfectly fine.


            The bit I’m referring to is quite far in, but it wouldn’t hurt to listen to the whole thing. There’s some stuff of general interest about BSE in deer and Lyme disease in there too. All good, useful knowledge and he’s eminently ‘listenable’. Not an ounce of ‘what a daft question’ or ‘I’m so much more knowledgeable than you’ in his delivery. Just someone who knows what he’s talking about, unlike thee or me.

        • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 12:23 pm #

          When you see it starting in California, the extremism, with New York following suit, you know it’s part of the plan.
          We were supposed to be part of the North America Union by now.

        • beantownbill. March 20, 2020 at 12:36 pm #

          I wish you luck. Really.

        • WayfaringStranger March 20, 2020 at 2:52 pm #

          There have been numerous attempts to explain away the high numbers in Italy. None are successful. Many hinge on open contempt and devaluation of people over 50. I shouldn’t need to point out that is deeply sick, but apparently I do.
          The tragic situation with the New Jersey Italian family (fully Italian as many in Jersey are, but homegrown and fully American) shows the inadequacy of all these rationalizations.
          They’re Americans, yet rapidly decimated in a way that defies comprehension. Just like Italians still on Italian soil.
          We don’t know yet why this is, and people should stop pretending they do.
          If you hear a scary noise and you hasten to say “it’s just the wind” and maybe it isn’t the wind, you’d be better off to wait, admit you don’t know yet, and figure out what it is.
          Scoffing gets you immediate answers, and it shuts people up, but few are inwardly impressed by scoffers or take them seriously. They’ll pretend to agree to stop the ridicule, but keep listening for what the noise really is. So false assurances waste everyone’s time and distract from the truth.

          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 8:55 pm #

            “None are successful. Many hinge on open contempt and devaluation of people over 50.”

            I’d say that was quite the opposite of the situation in Italy. There is a lot of inter-generational love and support there that you might not find in a country where youngsters are gleefully talking about the ‘boomer remover’.

            The fact is that doctors have been placed in a position where they have one ventilator and 15 people in a corridor waiting to use it. If you’re a doctor you don’t have the luxury of saying ‘Father, let this cup pass from me’. You’re the doctor and it’s your job to make that decision in that situation.

            Who would you choose? The 35-year-old with two toddlers at home, who has a good chance of surviving with the ventilator, or the 60-year old with high blood pressure and diabetes, who you might figure has 25% chance of surviving even with the ventilator (half of the people put on ventilators are dying anyway, as far as I know).

            I ask that as someone who has three reasons to be triaged into the corridor, including a history of cancer, which I heard one Italian doctor mention as a factor. If my daughter and I were both desperate for a ventilator, the one of us who has a young child is the one who has to get the ventilator.

            It’s not ‘Sophie’s Choice’, it’s real life.

          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 8:58 pm #

            And it’s going to happen here too. One hospital in London has already declared a 24-hour emergency because it’s out of critical care facilities. And we’ve hardly started compared to Italy.

            And some people call it ‘fear porn’ or a hoax. The smugness takes my breath away. (Sorry, bad choice of words.)

          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 9:02 pm #

            Apologies if I misunderstood your point in your first paragraph. I’m not sure if you meant the devaluation of people over 50 is deeply sick, or the suggestion by others that that might be the case.

        • Iananna March 21, 2020 at 6:28 am #

          Most of the West is in terminal decline due to a surfeit of comfort & privilege.
          The Benighted States only continues to function (kinda-sorta) because of the yoooog influx of illegals to do the akshal real work – maids, veg/fruit picking and break back shelf packing.

    • capt spaulding March 20, 2020 at 11:08 am #

      It was created by the Deep State in an attempt to make Trump look bad.

      • WayfaringStranger March 20, 2020 at 2:54 pm #

        Say that when you’re intubated. (it’s the next Tide Pod Challenge)

        • capt spaulding March 20, 2020 at 8:30 pm #


  5. Pucker March 20, 2020 at 10:11 am #


    I have a friend who teaches at a small college in the US Midwest.


    • CancelMyCard March 20, 2020 at 11:43 am #

      Not a big fan of Tucker Carlson, but he is dead on here with these observations about the delivery of higher education to the masses.

    • WayfaringStranger March 20, 2020 at 3:18 pm #

      Then they’ll be able to tell you how massively dependent those college town are on the physical presence of those institutions. How deeply the growth of said institutions have changed the community, from policing needs and patterns to radical and irreversible changes to housing stock and neighborhood make-up and cohesion.
      There’s no going back.
      Student slums, minus students are…what. Anybody? Bueller?
      It’s never been a good system, at least not for the last several decades. The Admins get rich, quality goes down, indoctrination and debts go up. It’s bad beleive me I know. But now we’re looking a hundreds/thousands of mini-Detroits. The impact on the host communities will be just like Detroit when the auto industry died. You can rejoice that the air quality improved as a result but holy hell other really bad stuff comes along with that one happy thing.
      We’ve got to start thinking like adults at some point.
      The 2008 downturn was hard on the student housing neighborhood here. Drug and cartel and crime assholes from the wider area filled in the rentals, caused havoc, misery. They brought their friends who brought their friends. it happens fast, and I live in it. Things got back to normal more or less, I just started to become hopeful the trend would continue. Now this crap.
      Our campus just shut down for the rest of the semester, beyond the original April return date, for the entire up-coming summer session, and who fucking knows what for next fall. This is HUGE.
      And other campuses will too, across the US.
      I’m afraid now, for real. This is way too much shit all at once. And, it’s a matter of time before the attempted break-ins start up again, like the last downturn. Before the drug use is way up again, all of it.
      I learned to use a 9 back then but I sure as fuck do not want to have to. I am too old for this shit.
      (cue Boomer Remover jokes…then go to hell)
      This is all very, very serious people. So far beyond problems getting toilet paper it’s impossible to even express. Wake up.

      • Daddyotis March 20, 2020 at 6:16 pm #

        Best brush the dust off that 9, WFS. See about digging up some ammo and preparing the mags which came w said 9 as well. It’s a scary time, but I’d challenge you to turn that fear around to the extent that you can.

        Good luck

        • benr March 20, 2020 at 10:26 pm #

          Civil society breaks down quick if and when it happens.
          You should also look into having plywood cut to cover the windows if it gets ugly just like during bad storms.
          Anything to limit peoples ability to get into your home easily.
          If it never gets used great but it’s a cheap investment should you need it.

      • Iananna March 21, 2020 at 6:42 am #

        Dunno about the rest of the exigencies, but student housing etc is not an issue in Euroland has Studentenheims – subsidised, when not included in the usual student grant, 1b/r flats in the thousands.
        As in the rest of the West, civilised countries with universal health care and a functional welfare system at a fraction of the cost of private health insurance and student loans.
        Just sayin’

  6. Pucker March 20, 2020 at 10:18 am #

    It’s very rare for a virus to jump from one species to another. It would be a bit suspicious if the virus was able to jump between multiple species. Looks fishy…like a bioweapon?

    “ The Hong Kong government has urged people not to abandon their pets and to stop kissing them after a second dog repeatedly tested positive for coronavirus.
    A German shepherd living in the Pok Fu Lam area on Hong Kong Island was sent for quarantine along with another mixed-breed dog from the same residence on Thursday after their owner was confirmed as being infected, the Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department (AFCD) said in a statement.

    No positive result was obtained from the mixed-breed dog, and “neither dog has shown any signs of disease,” the department said, adding it will continue to monitor both dogs and conduct repeated tests on the animals.”

    • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 11:35 am #

      Pucker, a link please. I have to know about this.

    • Iananna March 21, 2020 at 6:46 am #

      Influenza originates in water fowl, usually migratory ducks, across the Eurasian land mass and passes to”humans” through close, daily contact.
      Just as cow pox became small pox (from the norm of keeping domestic animals in the family home until the 1800s) and wiped out Indigenes in the New World.
      That’s why ‘flu shots are B/S – the strain changes every year, those feathered fuckers just can’t refrain from traversing the world.

  7. BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 10:19 am #

    All the local pols here are getting in on the Covid 19 show, signing executive orders, making a steady stream of TV news appearances, issuing proclamations, giving sage advice, declaring States of Emergency … haven’t seen anything like this since the market meltdown 2008, and before that the 9/11 disaster.

    In Ct 3 confirmed deaths from Covid19 so far, aged 79, 88, and 90.

    “His role was not that of Goodfather, it was the half crazy old uncle in the attic …” that paragraph, wow, writing of the highest order.


    • malthuss March 20, 2020 at 10:24 am #

      Western Civilization or Eastern?
      I was in Pacific palisades, yesterday [had nothing better to do], Nice place.

      Thoughts on east-west,

      Gandhi was asked what he thought about
      Western civilisation, [British spelling?]
      he said it would be a good idea to try.

      –Well, since 1900 India was the land of Sati, female infanticide, child brides sold for a dowry, no TP, untouchables [known as gypsies outside India], Islam, mass starvation, sacred cows, government corruption, dirt roads, snake charmers, lazy beggars and greedy Kings [rajas] and God knows what else, that shows what a cultural chauvinist [read, idiot] that Mr Gandhi was.
      The modernism in 1900 India was courtesy of the White guys…..Railroads, Printing presses, automobiles, modern medicine, etc.
      Is 2020 India any better? Vivekananda bemoaned ancient India disappearing circa 1900.

      • EvelynV March 20, 2020 at 11:47 am #

        Well, they make and sell most of the medicine that the Chinese don’t make and sell to us.

        • malthuss March 20, 2020 at 12:14 pm #

          I did not know that.

          • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 12:26 pm #

            I knew that, what I didn’t know was how much of a share China had now.
            India was worrisome enough, with a culture where corruption is a way of like, and also not quite as much attention paid to sanitation.

      • beantownbill. March 20, 2020 at 12:47 pm #

        I would recommend you read the book, “Freedom at Midnight” by Larry Collins and Dominque LaPierre. Very fascinating reading about India.

        • Q. Shtik March 20, 2020 at 2:59 pm #

          Very fascinating reading about India. – bean


          I will recommend “An Area of Darkness” by V.S. Naipaul.

        • hmuller March 20, 2020 at 3:47 pm #

          Great book. They also wrote ‘O Jerusalem’ which I read while a student in Jerusalem summer 1975.

      • Iananna March 21, 2020 at 6:51 am #

        Check out Modi & the BJP – big Hitler fans from wayyyy back – and their India for Hindoos obsession.
        I hold no brief for the mussleman but India has more than Pakistan (aka “Land of the Pure”) and ain’t one of them wants to migrate there.

        • hmuller March 21, 2020 at 10:39 am #

          It’s easier to be a Muslim in India than a Hindu in Pakistan.

  8. venuspluto67 March 20, 2020 at 10:24 am #

    Yeah, if Joe Biden were to become president, he clearly would not be the one who is in actually charge.

    • JohnAZ March 20, 2020 at 10:53 am #

      The amazing thing is that the remainder of the Dem political world put up with the DNC.

      It also shows who is still in control of this country.

    • Iananna March 21, 2020 at 6:53 am #

      ummm, how short are memories?
      Killary will be Veep and the 25th will be invoked in short order, maybe Spring 2021.

    • hmuller March 21, 2020 at 10:41 am #

      I think Kennedy was the last President who tried to be in charge and the deep state cleared his head of such thoughts.

  9. Pucker March 20, 2020 at 10:26 am #

    “On October 3, only five days after Krusen had let the parade proceed, he banned all public meetings in the city—including, finally, further Liberty Loan gatherings—and closed all churches, schools, theaters. Even public funerals were prohibited. Only one public gathering place was allowed to remain open: the saloon, the key constituency of the Vare machine. The next day the state health commissioner closed them. The first temporary facility to care for the sick was set up at Holmesburg, the city’s poorhouse. It was called “Emergency Hospital #1”; the Board of Health knew more would follow. Its five hundred beds were filled in a day. Ultimately there would be twelve similar large hospitals run with city help, three of them located in converted Republican Clubs in South Philadelphia. It was where people had always gone for help. In ten days—ten days!—the epidemic had exploded from a few hundred civilian cases and one or two deaths a day to hundreds of thousands ill and hundreds of deaths each day. Federal, municipal, and state courts closed. Giant placards everywhere warned the public to avoid crowds and use handkerchiefs when sneezing or coughing. Other placards read “Spitting equals death.” People who spat on the street were arrested—sixty in a single day. The newspapers reported the arrests—even while continuing to minimize the epidemic. Physicians were themselves dying, three one day, two another, four the next. The newspapers reported those deaths—on inside pages with other obituaries—even while continuing to minimize the epidemic. Health and city workers wore masks constantly. What should I do? people wondered with dread. How long will it go on? Each day people discovered that friends and neighbors who had been perfectly healthy a week—or a day—earlier were dead.”

    John M. Barry
    The Great Influenza: The Story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History

  10. akmofo March 20, 2020 at 10:27 am #

    Former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley leaves Boeing board, opposing federal aid: http://dlvr.it/RSCtbc

    I love this woman! She should be the next POTUS.

    • BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 11:06 am #

      Akfomo, there’s a good chance she’ll be Trump’s VP running mate this time around, with Pence moved over to State.

      • akmofo March 20, 2020 at 1:09 pm #

        Pence, Haley, Pompeo, I like them all. I even think Ivanka will make a good pick for VP.

        • Janos Skorenzy March 20, 2020 at 1:23 pm #

          Hardcore Zionists who put Israel ahead of their own Nation. Of course you agree.

          So does Pelosi btw. They’ve got us from both ends. We’re bracketed. That’s why they hate Tulsi Gabbard. She outside the bracket racket.

          • akmofo March 20, 2020 at 1:47 pm #

            Ok, Janos, I’ll bite. Show me the goods. Back your assertions.

        • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 1:24 pm #

          The Evangelicals want Pence there. Just saying.

          • Iananna March 21, 2020 at 6:54 am #

            Yay for Gilead! How many OfMike’s will there be?

    • beantownbill. March 20, 2020 at 12:54 pm #

      I agree.

  11. newworld March 20, 2020 at 10:28 am #

    If memory serves me correctly in the first “By Hand” novel basic hygiene was paramount to the residents of the town. Good advice with a novel virus running about to keep the immune system in good working order.

    Great comparison of Biden to a mob flunkie, that is basically how they all end up if they are not on top.

    And a once frequent topic, banking, in the coming liquidation that business needs a stern reorganizing, something the Obama admin skipped for the Culture War, yay Culture War.

  12. stelmosfire March 20, 2020 at 10:33 am #

    So the Big 3 auto makers are gonna switch from making f-350s to ventilators. What a joke. They say we switched from autos to B 24s in 1940 so no problem. Huge differance between trucks and medical equipment than between trucks and bombers. How exactly do you convert an assembly line form engine blocks to circuit boards?

    • Ishabaka March 20, 2020 at 10:38 am #

      If you haven’t volunteered to work making ventilators for free, then keep your whining to yourself. If you aren’t part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Government isn’t going to come to your house and wipe your ass for you this time. Time to grow up, quit complaining, and take care of yourself, your family, and your community if you can.

      • stelmosfire March 20, 2020 at 11:06 am #

        What the fuck are you talking about? I’m putting together a half dozen in the barn as we speak. I’m using flat head V-8s that can pump up four sets of lungs at a pop. Moron.

      • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 11:12 am #

        If I buy a 3-D printer haw many ventilators can I make in an hour?

        • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 11:12 am #


        • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 11:34 am #

          Perhaps someone will invent a 3-D printer that turns out fully trained specialist critical care nurses to manage the ventilators?

          If they do, we’ll have some, please…

          Recent talk (here anyway) has mentioned the possibility of having as many as nine patients attached to one ventilator. Problems abound, it would seem, but it can be done it the patients are matched in their needs.


          Haven’t read it all – too technical for me – but it’s there if anyone is interested. I’m assuming the need for multiple critical care nurses would be much greater in this scenario.

          • malthuss March 20, 2020 at 12:16 pm #

            That is cloning. 3D in a bottle.

            Or as JHK would note, Too Much Magic.

          • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 12:30 pm #

            Baltimore’s mayor asked residents to refrain from shooting each other, to keep hospital space open.

          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 12:43 pm #

            That’s gone viral (sorry) over here too, Beryl.

    • abbybwood March 20, 2020 at 5:21 pm #

      What is the sense in making ventilators if you don’t have the nurses and respiratory techs and the labs to run the blood gases and all the masks and gowns and goggles and gloves and catheters and suction machines etc. needed to run the whole show?

      I saw an article yesterday about rich people buying ventilators for their homes. Fools.

      What do they think?? Get violently ill, develop severe respiratory distress then just plug in the ventilator and poof!!!! you are magically intubated (takes an anesthesiologist or nurse anesthetist or a damn sharp ACLS nurse to properly place an endotracheal tube!), and all you have to do is let the ventilator perform it’s magic!


      • benr March 20, 2020 at 5:49 pm #

        Anyone can be trained to do the basics well almost anyone.

      • stelmosfire March 20, 2020 at 6:12 pm #

        I’ve seen my paramedic friends throw tubes in on a sidewalk in a blizzard. I can’t do it but they do it all the time. Just sayin’.

        • Ozymandius March 20, 2020 at 8:39 pm #

          Don’t necessarily need ventilators. Back in the day it was tube ’em and bag ’em to get a good feel for airways resistance. Train teams of medical students to do this in the wards if tshf.

  13. Ishabaka March 20, 2020 at 10:36 am #

    Anyone who uses this pandemic to try to score political points against their adversaries, whether they are politicians or media, are despicable – they are showing they place their agenda ahead of American lives.

    Now is the time for Americans to put aside our political differences and work together to get through this.

    • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 12:33 pm #

      The ones screaming whenever the President says “China” are showing whose payroll they are on.

      I may have heard something about Hunter Biden and China, come to think of it.

  14. Elrond Hubbard March 20, 2020 at 10:36 am #

    JHK (re Trump): “You can call that a lot of things, but one of them has got to be: strength.”

    Ignorance is the strength of bigots. Fuckface von Clownstick has got that in spades, both in his own right and having stoked the very worst instincts of his following.

    Nor does this have anything to do with ‘hatred of men’. My view of Trump would be exactly what I’ve just said, even if the Democratic Party had never existed and identity politics had never been invented. It follows from paying heed to substance, not authoritarian narratives. Anyone who considers Donald J. Trump as a satisfactory leader in any way, for any purpose, has gone mentally off the rails.

    • DrTomSchmidt March 20, 2020 at 10:44 am #

      That would be my wife, then, Elrond. She has been disgusted and embarrassed by the man since he became President. Watching the press conference yesterday, she turned distinctly anti-media and pro-Trump. If she has gone mentally off the rails, as you say, I suspect she will have a lot of company.

      • Elrond Hubbard March 20, 2020 at 11:39 am #

        If only Trump were alone in being dysfunctional, DrTom. But if he were, he could not possibly have become president. It was the general dysfunction of American politics that allowed that. Both major parties had to fail, each in its own special way — the Republicans by allowing him to seize their nomination, and the Democrats by nominating Hillary Clinton.

        What’s interesting is the form that the dysfunction has taken since the election. The Republicans, frankly, are faring much better simply by carrying on with their standard sociopathic policies: huge tax cuts for wealthy individuals and corporations, while racking up enormous debts (which they would be demagoguing the Democrats over, had Clinton won).

        The Democrats, meanwhile, have (a) refused to face facts and promulgated the fake Russia narrative to cover their failure, and (b) pursued a terrible strategy for a respectable goal, namely employing constitutional means (impeachment) to remove Trump, who is a lifelong criminal and a disgrace to the office. There is (was) more than ample material to impeach Trump over emoluments, using the office to enrich himself, but that kind of corruption is so pervasive in Washington that no one was left with the integrity to do so. Dysfunction abounds.

        And I haven’t even touched on the corporate media. Anyway, the fact remains that Trump is unfit in himself for the office he holds. This remains true regardless of the circumstances that circulate around him. My respects to you and your missus, but that’s still the case.

        • DrTomSchmidt March 20, 2020 at 7:20 pm #

          Fair enough. I never cared for W, whom I consider the worst disaster of my lifetime as a President. But he did get acclaim for scrambling around with a megaphone after 9/11. He looked in command. Trump did too, yesterday.

          I think my wife never saw that side of him because she hasn’t had the time to watch this stuff. Or the stomach, since it was only a month ago that she was complaining about Trump calling Bloomberg Mini-Mike.

          He gave a good presser, and is going to skate on the economic collapse because the virus caused it, not his constant haranguing of Powell to cut interest rates.

          On that last note, neither one of us is happy that our interest income on T-bills has been cut by 98% in one month. So the financial scam continues.

    • BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 10:46 am #

      Isn’t your little worm of a PM, Trudeau, in hiding right now?

      • Elrond Hubbard March 20, 2020 at 11:42 am #

        He’s in quarantine, because his wife is infected with COVID-19. He makes regular media appearances. Would you prefer that Canada have a leadership crisis right now? Is that really in your best interests, considering the pandemic is real and we share a border over 5,000 miles long?

        • hmuller March 20, 2020 at 10:27 pm #

          Maybe the little germ factory is reading that old Dale Carnegie book, “How to Win Friends and Influenz People”.

    • MC Hammerabi March 20, 2020 at 10:53 am #

      What a stupid thing to say.

    • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 11:11 am #

      Off the rails in a screeching train wreck.

      Sens. Richard Burr and Kelly Loeffler sold off more than a million dollars each in stocks in the days and weeks after attending private, senators-only briefings about the severity of the impending coronavirus crisis. Burr is a Republican from North Carolina who serves as the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee. He dumped between $582,029 and $1.56 million of his shares over a series of 33 transactions beginning on Feb. 13, just days after he wrote an op-ed for Fox News arguing that the U.S. is “better prepared than ever before” when it comes to facing public health threats like COVID-19. Burr was also one of only three senators in 2012 who voted in opposition to the STOCK Act, which explicitly prohibits lawmakers and their staff from trading on nonpublic information. Loeffler was recently elected as the newest Republican Senator from Georgia and is married to the chairman and CEO of the New York Stock Exchange. She and her husband dumped between $1,275,000 and $3,100,000 in jointly owned stocks over the course of 29 transactions starting on Jan. 24, the same day the Senate Health Committee on which she sits hosted a private, all-senators briefing about the virus from Trump administration officials and the head of the CDC. Only two of the 29 transactions Loeffler made during that time period were purchases, one of which was for $100,000 and $250,000 in shares of Citrix, a technology company that provides telecommuting software and services. Both Burr and Loeffler have denied any wrongdoing. (ProPublica / Daily Beast / NPR / Axios / Reuters)

      No excuse for it. Kunstler can check and find out facts before he publishes just like the rest of us. Trump incompetence is a smoking gun. Trump was afraid to rock the economy and do the right thing. Doing the right thing is not Trump’s style and expecting good judgement from Trump is like trying to get water from a stone.

      • BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 11:23 am #

        All this hatred K-Dog, where does it come from?

        What do you get out of propagating such disinformation?

        • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 11:38 am #

          Funny you should ask.

          Where does the hatred come from.


          It is not disinformation and you know it.

          • PeteAtomic March 21, 2020 at 8:13 pm #

            is that you in the vid there K-Dog??


        • Elrond Hubbard March 20, 2020 at 11:46 am #

          This happens whenever someone posts information or opinion that makes Trump look bad.

          – Didn’t provide links or reference? They’ll criticize you for that.
          – Do provide links? They’ll ignore it.
          – Provide full text, and cite the news source? They’ll say it was disinformation.

          It’s almost like people feel entitled to their own facts.

          • Nightowl March 20, 2020 at 12:20 pm #

            Because 99 percent of the time, it is fake news.

            And it is really funny when 99 percent of what the McResistors post on this board can be defeated by typing one sentence.

            Your mind, it is weak.

          • hmuller March 20, 2020 at 12:27 pm #

            Thanks for giving me a good laugh, Elrond. Your opinions are as Sgt Joe Friday would say ‘the facts, just the facts”. Sometimes you seem so intelligent; then you reveal a compete inability to distinguish subjective from objective thought.

          • Elrond Hubbard March 20, 2020 at 1:42 pm #

            My opinions are the result of applying well-developed critical faculties, hmuller. It’s enormously important to learn how to disregard prejudices, both one’s own and others, and navigate facts instead. Try watching this video (the first three minutes will do), and you may see what I mean:


            Gain an appreciation for the value of stable facts and principles and you empower yourself. There’s no substitute for being able to parse fact from fiction, prejudice and error, instead of relying on consensus opinion to do it for you. (Including the reigning consensus here at CFN.) Sadly, not everyone has the tools, or the inclination.

          • hmuller March 20, 2020 at 3:52 pm #

            Only mathematics can be free of human subjectivity – and maybe not even that bastion. The distinction between subjective and objective is very slippery. If you think you’ve achieved it, you’re probably just an opinionated coot, lacking true introspection.

            And don’t even get me started on quantum physics, which I don’t understand (and neither does anyone else).

          • benr March 20, 2020 at 10:27 pm #

            Indeed you post you own facts daily and they are called opinion.

          • Elrond Hubbard March 21, 2020 at 7:42 pm #

            benr, one day I aspire to post something so transcendent, so compelling, that even your skepticism of me will be overawed, and you will humbly yield to my irresistible rightness.

            In the meantime, I offer another link for hmuller (and anyone else) to peruse, about how and why to change one’s beliefs:


      • JohnAZ March 20, 2020 at 11:28 am #

        Kdog forgot something. There are four Senators involved and under scrutiny. One is a Democrat, Dianne Feinstein.

        I thought members of Congress are immune from insider trading. Maybe this will put a stake in the heart of that debacle.

        • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 11:42 am #

          I did not forget and have posted about all four elsewhere. Thank you for bring her up and I’ll go to the other blog and bring what I ‘forgot’ here too.

          In addition to Burr and Loeffler, California Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein sold $1.5 million to $6 million worth of shares in late and mid-February, Senate records show.

          And Oklahoma Republican Senator James Inhofe sold as much as $400,000 in equities on January 27, disclosure reports show.

          • Elrond Hubbard March 20, 2020 at 11:48 am #

            Good work, K-Dog. I also tweeted about this article this morning:


          • JohnAZ March 20, 2020 at 11:58 am #

            This obvious ethical misbehavior is a product of THE real problem of this country.

            Washington DC is no longer the product of nor the protector of the people of the USA. The Deep State, the protective wing of the Washington scene, is showing its ugly side. Their self protective instincts just showed their real colors. Hopefully, the ambivalence of the American people will discontinue, think 2016, and the corruption will decline. Trump was elected, primarily, to Drain the Swamp. He better get at it.

          • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 12:06 pm #

            Thank you, I wish that graphic could be shown here. The ‘other’ blog I posted in lets me post pictures with my text. I added a picture of a guillotine at the bottom (animated). I hope it was a fake body in the animation.

          • Elrond Hubbard March 20, 2020 at 12:39 pm #

            JohnAZ: “He better get at it.”

            What’s your hurry? It has only been… *checks watch*… three years. Just think of all the concrete actions Trump has taken in that length of time.

            Anyway, what’s on Fox News?

          • Majella March 22, 2020 at 8:08 pm #


            Yet who defended these three lowlife grifters??

            Who expressed his belief that they are ‘ honorable people’?

            Who mentioned Feinstein (only) in his reply to a question about it, but then BERATED a reporter who dared to mention the other three culprits, all GOPers, for making it ‘partisan’?

            Only The Gaslighter in Chief, Himself.

          • Majella March 22, 2020 at 8:14 pm #

            Sorry – FOUR low-life grifters…

        • malthuss March 20, 2020 at 12:17 pm #

          t y

        • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 1:27 pm #

          Feinstein? The one who had the commie in her office and driving her around, for what, a couple decades?
          Nothing to see there.

    • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 12:36 pm #

      I love President Trump. I would crawl across broken glass for him. I have been hanging out with evangelicals, boy are they nice people, and not undereducated. Doctors, lawyers, scientists, teachers… we aren’t who you say we are, Elrond.

      • Elrond Hubbard March 20, 2020 at 12:43 pm #

        Beryl: I haven’t denounced evangelicals, and I make a sincere effort not to be the kind of person I think you have in mind. The Richard Dawkinses and Sam Harrises of the world repel me, even when I think they have reason on their side.

        Everything I’ve said so far is about Trump himself, and the kind of person he is in particular. We all have our good and bad qualities, and Trump’s unique gift is to bring out the worst in everyone for his own benefit.

        • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 1:31 pm #

          I haven’t gone mentally off the rails. You seem to think there is something unbalanced about me, and other people who support the president. We have our reasons, and we are decent productive human beings.

      • Janos Skorenzy March 20, 2020 at 1:34 pm #

        Crawl across broken glass? That’s pathetic. He plays you people like a violin. His Christianity is of the prosperity gospel and Zio variety – to the extent it is real at all.

        • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 2:03 pm #

          Janos, I am not one of the Evangelicals, I said I was hanging out with them. They are quite aware of the fragility of his faith, that’s why they want Pence there. They care about his soul.

          As for me, I understood that there was no one else who was even aware of some of the things he talked about, except for the corrupt ones who made their living off of the things that were dragging down the middle class in America.

          Is he perfect? Is he the best one for the job? He’s the only one who stepped up and tried.

          • Janos Skorenzy March 20, 2020 at 10:27 pm #

            See his long interview with Laura Ingraham. She grilled him about his wanting mass immigration from Mexico and Central America. He defended himself saying, we need these people because jobs. What about unemployed Americans? Ingraham concluded by saying, That’s not what you campaigned on.

            He did a bait and switch. He’s just another Big Business Republican President. We are betrayed.

          • hmuller March 21, 2020 at 10:50 am #

            Trump says the right things more often than he does the right things. Is he too a captive of “them”? (No, not the big ants.)

      • EvelynV March 20, 2020 at 5:58 pm #

        If you approached him through all the broken glass do you think he’d want to touch your naughty bits with all that blood on them?

      • PeteAtomic March 21, 2020 at 7:26 pm #

        I agree with Beryl..

        I grew up with a lot of evangelicals and many “fundamentalists” and even though I personally don’t share their religious convictions, the majority were very good, decent people.

        Certainly misunderstood & maligned by the MSM

    • beantownbill. March 20, 2020 at 1:03 pm #

      “Fuckface von Clownstick” – sounds very juvenile to me, Elrond. I’d expect that comment from a 12 year-old. If you dislike Trump, fine, but stop with childish non-sequitors, please.

      • BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 4:10 pm #


        I think what we need here is a ‘Hate-O-Meter’ scale to rate hateful comments directed at President Trump.

        Scale goes 1-10, 1 being mild constructive criticism, 10 being full blow, malicious, rabid hatred.

        For example Elrond calling the President “F#ckface von Clownstick” would rate about an 8.

        I still have to flush this out a little bit. What do you think.


        • beantownbill. March 20, 2020 at 6:26 pm #

          I was going to say a 10, but on second thought an 8 is good. Why not only do a rating on Trump, but also on other topics?

          • benr March 20, 2020 at 10:29 pm #

            Would suggest the further left the higher on that scale they will feel about Trump.

        • Elrond Hubbard March 22, 2020 at 11:35 am #

          Actually, BRH, it was Jon Stewart who originally called Trump by that name, after Trump initiated hostilities by tweeting an anti-Semitic troll at him.


          I think the name suits him admirably.

      • BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 4:15 pm #

        At the end of each day we can add it up the hate score. One day Evelyn might be champ, one day Elrond might be champ. Occassionally Cargill and Maj would jump ahead. And don’t count out Little Jane. It will become a real horse race. Haven’t determined a prize yet.


        • Majella March 22, 2020 at 8:31 pm #

          Just quit the BS, Marlin, and give me a permanent ’10’.

        • Cargill March 22, 2020 at 9:45 pm #

          At the end of each day we can add it up the hate score. One day Evelyn might be champ, one day Elrond might be champ. Occasionally Cargill and Maj would jump ahead.

          I don’t understand where this “hatred” meme comes from … if you see society and political life from the centre-left, and dislike Trump and his Republican cohort very much – why is this hate?

          I can only assume those who use the word “hate” don’t believe in democracy at all, and would prefer a one-party state … you’re either a Trumpist Republican or your a “hater”.

          All very disturbing in a society where having a regular change in who is the governing party should be seen as a good thing.

          I haven’t even mentioned how Trump is the worst president in US history. Somebody wise said that America might just survive four years of the Trump anomaly if there were no crisis.

          But Trump’s inability to do the job of president has become abundantly clear with the coronavirus – as if any further proof were needed.

          He still calls it the “Chinese Virus” FFS … the man-child has no level to which he cannot sink to try and politicise this thing in his favour.

          • Elrond Hubbard March 22, 2020 at 10:25 pm #

            Cargill: “I can only assume those who use the word ‘hate’ don’t believe in democracy at all, and would prefer a one-party state … you’re either a Trumpist Republican or your a ‘hater’.”

            This was clearly the case with Republicans well before Donald Trump staged his hostile takeover of the party. That bastion of communism, the Brookings Institution, published this all the way back in 2012:

            Let’s Just Say It: The Republicans are the Problem


            “The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.

            “When one party moves this far from the mainstream, it makes it nearly impossible for the political system to deal constructively with the country’s challenges.” (Emphasis added.)

            All of the above is true of the Republicans and especially of their house organ, Fox News. The rot is very deep now.

          • Q. Shtik March 22, 2020 at 10:54 pm #

            He still calls it the “Chinese Virus” FFS … the man-child has no level to which he cannot sink – Cargill


            How ’bout if he starts calling it the “slant virus?”

          • Cargill March 23, 2020 at 1:29 am #

            This was clearly the case with Republicans well before Donald Trump staged his hostile takeover of the party.

            Thanks for that Elrond … and I have read a bit about this extreme right-wing take-over of the party.

            What I don’t understand is why so many on this forum – who are presumably quite good Americans, and understand the infield fly rule and much else – go along with it.

            Are they so far to the right that they really believe the Democrats should be kept from power by every illegal means possible? If so it’s shameful.

      • Majella March 22, 2020 at 8:29 pm #


        FFvCS was originally coined by Jon Stewart,back in 2013, in reply to a hugely childish twitter storm initiated by Drumpf himself, calling Stewart the usual list of ad hominems, ‘phony’, ‘loser’ and (of course) ‘overrated’.

        He also accused Stewart of not being ‘proud of his name’ (Liebowitz). John Oliver pointed out some years later that the “Trump’ name has been corrupted from Drumpf, the name of Himself’s grandfather, ironically a refugee from Germany.

        Personally, I think ‘FuckFace von ClownStick’ perfectly describes the guy. The fact that he wouldn’t be able to come up with anything so creative must REALLY piss him off….all he has been able to manage is ‘crooked Hillary’ and ‘crazy Joe’ Biden, and then deriding anyone else as a ‘loser’. What a Clown Stick, and what a Fuck’n Face…

    • Janos Skorenzy March 20, 2020 at 1:29 pm #

      Note how he puts hatred of men in quotation marks – as if it isn’t real. It’s everywhere because of people like him have made it not only acceptable, but cool.

      He’s one of the few good White Men – and that feeling is simply too delicious to ever give up. He’s one of the “saved”. Yes, this whole thing is a religion.

      • Cargill March 23, 2020 at 1:43 am #

        He’s one of the few good White Men – and that feeling is simply too delicious to ever give up.

        The trouble is that all you good white men have tiny dicks … which is why every foxy white girl goes for the big black guys. I think I’ve just summed up your entire socio-political position.

        • Majella March 23, 2020 at 3:15 am #

          Nailed it, Cargill- the underlying anxiety at the very heart of Janos, screwed up pseudo-philosophy.

    • Daddyotis March 20, 2020 at 6:25 pm #

      Trump has gravitas. You do not. Simple, Simple.

      • Majella March 22, 2020 at 8:36 pm #

        “Trump has gravitas”

        Right on! Here he is at his most grave!


        • Q. Shtik March 22, 2020 at 10:41 pm #

          OMG I can’t take it! My head is gonna explode!

  15. Figaro March 20, 2020 at 10:38 am #

    If only Mr. Kunstler would decide once and for all whether or not he supports President Trump. His careening back and forth between
    damning the president with faint praise and condemning his opponents
    is enough to make his faithful readers (of which I am one) dizzy.

    • Epicur March 20, 2020 at 10:51 am #

      Is it possible that Mr. Kunstler thinks there are more important things than taking sides in the complex playing out of human affairs?

      I think so.

      “A foolish consistency is a hobgoblin of little minds.”

      • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 10:59 am #

        Perhaps he has a stock market position and is worried?

    • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 11:04 am #

      If you know where bears shit I think you can figure out that Mr. Kunstler is pro-Trump. It would be one thing to seriously posit that America needs a Daddy but Trump is not my daddy and he never will be. Trump has done nothing to earn my respect and is a contemptible human being. As daddys go Trump is incestuous as Ivanka and everyone else knows. As daddys go there will be a bulge if you sit on Trump’s lap.

      • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 11:05 am #

        Hope he wears pants.

      • JohnAZ March 20, 2020 at 11:24 am #

        One opinion, minority thank goodness.

        • Elrond Hubbard March 20, 2020 at 11:48 am #


        • CancelMyCard March 20, 2020 at 12:02 pm #

          A *minority* opinion??

          As I recall, a majority of American voters did NOT vote for Trump in 2016.

          What say ye to that?

          • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 12:09 pm #

            The thing is, I actually do not deal in opinion. I’m always fact based.


          • Nightowl March 20, 2020 at 12:23 pm #

            Prove it. With undeniable concrete evidence.

          • cbeard March 20, 2020 at 7:28 pm #

            I say that I am constantly amazed at the genius of the founding fathers and the foresight of having the electoral college.

          • Majella March 22, 2020 at 1:33 am #

            NigIQwl – from his own lips, FFS!

            cheated – the EC was designed to stop electoral idiocy like 2016.

          • Nightowl March 22, 2020 at 4:50 pm #

            Post the quote fully in context, Maj.

            You are pathetic.

          • Majella March 22, 2020 at 8:39 pm #


            “Pathetic”? Your aspersions are losing their vigour. Better keep up the Vit D, Sonny Jim.


          • Majella March 22, 2020 at 8:43 pm #



          • Cargill March 23, 2020 at 3:50 am #

            I say that I am constantly amazed at the genius of the founding fathers and the foresight of having the electoral college.

            I say that I am constantly amazed by the stupidity of the founding fathers, and their lack of foresight in understanding how party politics might work.

            The Constitution is a totsl crock indeed – current events demonstrate how awful it really is.

    • Nik Charles March 20, 2020 at 11:57 am #

      I’m surprised you need Jim to be black and white.

    • EvelynV March 20, 2020 at 11:59 am #

      What do you mean by “if”. He’s already changed “golem” to “gentleman” and gravitating towards “god” instead.

      The sensation of having admired JHK all these years shares a lot in common with having admired Lance Armstrong all those years.

      In the end both nice looking logs rotten with termites to the core.

      • hmuller March 20, 2020 at 12:32 pm #

        But JHK still has both his testicles (I’m assuming).

    • Cargill March 23, 2020 at 2:22 am #

      If only Mr. Kunstler would decide once and for all whether or not he supports President Trump.

      His careening back and forth between damning the president with faint praise and condemning his opponents is enough to make his faithful readers (of which I am one) dizzy.

      I agree entirely – I come here to find insightful analysis … but for the last x months all I am getting is pro Republican Party and conspiracy theory nut-fudge stuff.

      I’ll hang in for a while longer – but he really is going apeshit pro Trump – that’s for sure.

      • Majella March 23, 2020 at 3:30 am #

        I know what you mean, but it’s really NOT ‘pro-GOP’…rather it’s rabidly anti-DNC, with Himself & the Shit Show White House just getting a lazy pass.

        Being a long-time Democrat (I’m assuming card-carrying paid-up member) JHK’s disappointment with the DNCis visceral and deep. Perhaps he feels embarrassed at having been fooled for so long?

  16. DrTomSchmidt March 20, 2020 at 10:41 am #

    Trump actually looked Presidential yesterday. Since he had claimed credit for the grossly inflated stock market, I had figured the crash would mean his end. Instead, he has a perfect explanation for the crash, and can engage as a leader.

    One major thing yesterday: he mentioned that bailout dollars would be targeted to firms that had invested in productive capacity, not stock buybacks. Wow! I think That was an Elizabeth Warren talking point. If he is serious, he will win easily as he win drain away the Warren/Sanders crowd who’ve made that just critique of our system of managerial capitalism.

  17. Epicur March 20, 2020 at 10:48 am #

    “Hence, their nonstop underhanded attempts to get rid of him the past three years — which had all the earmarks of a neurotic adolescent rebellion.”

    If there is anything that typifies this neurotic rebellion it is the conduct of the MSM as the pandemic unfolds. The “hands off” attitude towards the Chinese government and its responsibility for the pandemic is disgusting.

    One can only understand this as “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”, one of the more base human impulses when taken to this extreme. To the MSM, Trump is the ultimate evil, and any and all measures to oppose him are justified, even if it involves ignoring obvious wrongs by the Chinese government.

  18. pdewolf March 20, 2020 at 10:54 am #

    Strength and Donald Trump?! James you have finally lost it.

    • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 10:58 am #

      He needs to Photoshop a red MAGA hat into his picture of the car being pulled by a …..jackass. I’ll agree, it looks like he caught the Biden virus.

  19. K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 10:54 am #

    To that class of scribes, professors, assorted “creatives,” virtue signalers, and social justice seekers, even Tennessee Williams could not conjure up a more fearsome and detestable Big Daddy than Mr. Trump.

    Guilty as charged though the hatin of white men as SJW shit can go where the sun don’t shine. Fearsome really. Meeting a ‘creative’ in a dark alley Big Orange would find a mouse intimidating.

    The Biden stuff, we can skip that. I agree and the Biden smirk shows him to be Mini Orange Lite. But Trump as the conquering hero? Give me a break. Lets look at this. We know Trump can murder Arabs from the air so he has some military stench about him. The shapeless miasma is not without odor, but Mr. Trump by failing to act three weeks ago has condemned hundreds of thousands of Americans to death by Covid-19. His inaction means we have been following the exponential growth of Italy by a lag of ten days.

    The economy was more important than a few hundred thousand American lives to trump. Trump will have Osama beat for killing Americans but Osama is still ahead in the Arab kill. Think about it.

    Anyone who votes for Trump has rocks for brains and a heart of coal. Ignoring the incompetence is without excuse.

    • MC Hammerabi March 20, 2020 at 11:04 am #

      You must be insufferable in real life. I’ll vote for Trump and would bet I have more brains than you and a big heart that pumps blue blood.

      • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 11:58 am #

        I’m please to see you only have insults. Thank you for making my day.

    • JohnAZ March 20, 2020 at 11:18 am #

      You may espouse your opinion all you want, you are not going to change one vote. Trump is showing true leadership, managing the efforts of a superlative team and making the hard decisions. That is what he will be remembered for. His reaction to the virus will eclipse all the stupidity of the Resistance for the last three years. Kdog, your thesis will just blow away.

      Like FDR, who showed the same thing. Through the Depression, and into WW2. He made decisions that adversely affected many people but ultimately led to the resolution of major problems.

      • Elrond Hubbard March 20, 2020 at 11:52 am #

        Quoth Trump: “I don’t take responsibility at all.”


        Deflecting responsibility and pointing fingers — this is your idea of true leadership. I weep for the USA.

        • Tate March 20, 2020 at 2:58 pm #

          “We will always have Paris,” Trump will always be Trump, & Elrond will always ‘weep for the USA.’

          • Elrond Hubbard March 21, 2020 at 10:41 am #

            Not necessarily. One way or another, one day Trump will be out of office. Then we can reassess.

          • PeteAtomic March 21, 2020 at 7:34 pm #

            “Trump will always be Trump, & Elrond will always ‘weep for the USA.’”

            Elrond reminds me of a Tennessee Williams character…. probably one of the female ones who is “waiting for her gentleman caller” or some other melodramatic

        • PeteAtomic March 21, 2020 at 7:32 pm #

          “I weep for the USA”


          A buddy in Saskatoon told me yesterday he saw ppl looting a store there

          I think you oughta be ‘weeping’ for the Socialist State of Ontario there buddy

          • Elrond Hubbard March 21, 2020 at 7:51 pm #

            Not socialist enough to suit me, PeteAtomic.

            Ontario’s government is currently held by the conservative party, under the rulership of the brother of the late crackhead mayor of Toronto. The premier himself was a hashish dealer for several years back in the 1980s.

            Not smart of you to try to pick a fight about Canadian politics. The most ignorant Canadian knows more about it than most informed Americans.

          • PeteAtomic March 21, 2020 at 8:07 pm #

            I don’t give a fuck about Canadian politics, Elrond

            just keep wiping off that tired, over abused keyboard of yours buddy, & avoid getting the Kungflu

            everything will be alright, ok?

      • Janos Skorenzy March 20, 2020 at 1:37 pm #

        The higher ups finally stepped in to guide the Infant. Before that he was denying it was real and then switched to saying what a great job he was doing before he did much of anything.

    • Bytes March 20, 2020 at 11:50 am #

      What a blithering fool you are to blame Trump for supposedly condemning “hundreds of thousands” of Americans to death. Try again, comrade.

      Trump is handling this crisis as well as it can be. Your frothing at the mouth hatred of him is typical for a pointy headed partisan Biden loving idiot that you are.

      I really hope you aren’t an American, as so many of you TDS afflicted nutcases are.

      • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 11:55 am #

        No he is not. He failed to listen and heed expert advice. Being POTUS is not a reality TV show. This is real life and Trump is responsible for his inaction.

        • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 11:57 am #

          And sorry to disappoint. I am an American who unlike you cares about the health and sustainability of this nation.

        • JohnAZ March 20, 2020 at 11:59 am #

          That is a lie!

        • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 12:12 pm #

          You know you are going to piss me off if you say I lie.


          Eat it.

          • Nightowl March 20, 2020 at 12:25 pm #

            Mother Jones.

            L. O. L.

            Might as well cite Infowars for counterpoints.

          • benr March 20, 2020 at 10:32 pm #

            Omission of common sense is worse than a lie.

          • Majella March 22, 2020 at 1:44 am #

            NigIQwl – wanker. From his own lips:


            benr – eventually, if hit enough keys, you’ll write something comprehensible.

          • Majella March 22, 2020 at 1:49 am #

            NigIQwl – you really blew that one, you arrogant twit. Please- post a counter-argument to Himself’s own words. Ha.

          • benr March 22, 2020 at 10:21 am #

            You really are not near as smart as you believe you are.

            Slow down and read it again.
            YR NT SMRT.

          • Nightowl March 22, 2020 at 4:52 pm #

            It is going to go away. That doesn’t mean we do nothing at all, and we have not.

            You utter retard.

          • Majella March 22, 2020 at 6:35 pm #


            I asked “post a counter-argument to Himself’s own words”

            Well? Well?? Nothing?

            Himself: “There are 15 people, – 15 people out of billions (I guess he meant 330 million, but he makes the same mistake with his net worth) and they’re getting better – soon, they’re all gonna be better”

            At that point – Feb 27 – the cases were 60 (not 15 – danged cruise ships!). Now, 22 March, there are 38,757 & 400 deaths.

            Yes, it WILL ‘go away, like a miracle…’ but Himself talking utter shite in those early days was Canute-like self-delusion.

            More to the point, your dismissiveness towards Mother Jones is clearly a nasty little biased reflex, when the information in K-Dog’s post was clearly corroborated and accurate. Arrogant wanker.

            And you shouldn’t call benr an ‘utter retard’.

          • Nightowl March 22, 2020 at 6:49 pm #

            No counter argument is needed, as his response was and remains appropriate.

            There are no reliable figures, as testing is poor and the issue politicized.

            Your political narrative spells (spoon fed to you by professional propagandists and regurgitated) have no power here.

            Your brain, it is jello.

          • Majella March 23, 2020 at 3:39 am #

            No, it is (like yours) the consistency of blancmange.


        • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 12:43 pm #

          That didn’t happen. President Trump has done everything a president can and should do.
          Even Andrew Cuomo acknowledges that.
          Andrew probably wants to be sure to distance himself from the crazy leaders (Pelosi, Schumer) who tried to obstruct the president. I wouldn’t want that taint either.

          • Majella March 22, 2020 at 1:50 am #

            You’re in denial.

        • Janos Skorenzy March 20, 2020 at 1:40 pm #

          Would Obama have kept it out? Or Hillary? I doubt it. Our whole way of life is crazed “openness”. Political Correctness is the shield of Capitalism and the Spear of Communism. And a shield can be used as an offensive weapon tool.

    • Nightowl March 20, 2020 at 6:45 pm #

      Germany just cancelled flights from a hot spot in Iran about 2 days ago. I guess they failed to act.

      So many emotions, so little sense. Don’t let TDS destroy you.

    • PeteAtomic March 21, 2020 at 7:30 pm #

      “Anyone who votes for Trump has rocks for brains and a heart of coal. Ignoring the incompetence is without excuse.”

      I voted for the fella in ’16 & if they plan on running this decrepit automaton Biden in ’20, then I’m certainly voting for Trump again….

      my brains are muskie guts & I got the heart of a wolf

      🙂 lol

  20. Doc Holliday March 20, 2020 at 10:57 am #

    Good Father / Big Daddy; I have watched each of the daily national press meetings, regarding ‘C’ (China or Corona) virus this week. Though Trump is not the greatest orator, his comments are far more focused than his rally speeches. Many do not like his delivery and his , occasion, rambling. I, however, am more concerned with his actions than his words and I commend most of his actions. He is, obviously, not a scientist nor a doctor, but he has surrounded himself with an “A Team”. A few of the press, beginning yesterday, attempted to hijack the meeting by asking childish (and ‘hurtful’ to mimic their phrasing) questions and accusations that calling the virus ‘chinese’ was an insult too large to bear. Give me a break. His team members especially Deborah Birx, is about as honest, transparent, and sincere as can be. What a great family doctor she would be! Anthonly Funci relays the facts and disables the spin. He refuses to answer questions about the timing of the end of the pandemic, as he should, who can know? No to pep rallies, yes to scientific facts. Stephan Hahn and Seema Verines, also, fall into this category. It is extraordinary refreshing to see this team to be apolitical and completely embracing Emperical Science. I have very much enjoyed these meetings. One bone to pick is at the bottom right of the screen on NBC and CBS (can’t get ABC on my ‘leaf’ antenna) is the site of the Dow Jones ‘meter’. It seems to, more or less, continue to go down during these meetings (but not after they are over). I find that just a damn bit coincidental. Who chose that graphic as compared to ‘newly infected, newly cured, and newly died’? Which is more relevent?

    • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 12:46 pm #

      That’ a good catch, Doc.
      I notice some in the media have trouble with those figures. I wouldn’t expect the number of infected to drop as the disease is fought.

    • Janos Skorenzy March 20, 2020 at 1:48 pm #

      Yes the Left has zero dignity at all. Their pettty hatreds are everything to them. Just witness Elrond, Evelyn, and alas, Kdog.

      During the debates last time around, they played with Trump’s mic to muffle his voice. No fairness at all, just victory at whatever price.

      • malthuss March 20, 2020 at 3:28 pm #

        You did love your dog, you did.

        • Janos Skorenzy March 20, 2020 at 10:29 pm #

          Every time I start loving him he shits on the rug.

          • EvelynV March 21, 2020 at 7:14 am #

            What?!!! You made love to your dog on a rug and him bowels let loose. Jezzuss!! Did you do it doggie style? That might have been the problem.

      • EvelynV March 21, 2020 at 7:11 am #


        What the heck are you talking about here?! My hatreds aren’t petty.

        • Elrond Hubbard March 21, 2020 at 7:54 pm #

          EvelynV, there’s no point trying to engage Eyesore McGee as though substance played a role for him. He’s completely toxic, and his toxicity can and will far outlast anyone’s patience.

          • Janos Skorenzy March 21, 2020 at 8:12 pm #

            So it’s all about how I make you feel, eh? Very telling. No wonder you won’t respond to me.

  21. JohnAZ March 20, 2020 at 11:09 am #

    Dr. oz has called the HCQ + z-pack a potential game changer this AM. The study was released two days ago, and things are already winding up to get this proved out and into mass production.

    This is the solution, a way to kill the virus or disable it. Vaccines take too long.

    Two heroes, the French MDs that started the study and domestically, Trumps team who jumped on it.

    Quarantine may be over in a few weeks if the drug works.

    • BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 11:17 am #

      Well, best advice I’ve seen so far concerning this pandemic came from a commentor who calls himself ‘Akfomo’ — abide by Old Testament lessons on personal hygiene, and eat a lot of oranges. Oranges are plentiful in our local grocery stores, bought a sh#tload of them. Strategy is working pretty good, everybody at the homestead feeling chipper.


      • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 11:25 am #

        What a shame they don’t have oranges in Italy and Spain.

        Oh, wait…

        • BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 11:30 am #

          Well, it’s working here.

          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 11:48 am #

            You’re not really a scientist, are you, brh? 🙂

            You remind me of an Italian colleague I had when I worked in France. She insisted some cream potion or other prevented stretch marks in pregnancy because she used it and didn’t get any stretch marks.

            I didn’t point out to her years later when I went back that I’d had two kids and didn’t have any stretch marks either, without using anything at all.

            But if you think you’ve cracked it, you should notify the WHO. They’re desperate for insights! Oranges. Who’d have thought it was that simple?

        • BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 12:05 pm #

          Akfomo, for one. I still think it was good advice.

          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 12:15 pm #

            Eating oranges is always good advice.

            But it’s not going to stop Covid19 in its tracks. It will make some minute marginal difference to some individuals’ chances of getting a milder dose of it.

          • Janos Skorenzy March 20, 2020 at 1:51 pm #

            I just had one or two sections and I could feel the chi coursing thru my body, even down my legs as Chris Matthews did while listening to Obama.

            Oranges are packed with life energy whether you call it Chi, Prana, Vril, Huna, or Wakan.

            All fruit is good. Oranges are very good. BRH is right and Alba is wrong.

          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 2:07 pm #

            Wrong when I said “Eating oranges is always good advice.”?

            Colour me confused.

      • EvelynV March 20, 2020 at 1:32 pm #

        Brh, I’m guessing the chipperness has to do with them knowing their problems will be over and the stench will be gone after your waiting period for the handgun is up.

        Heck, I’ve been a little more chipper about it myself lately. How many more days?

        The worrisome thing is I’m having difficulty imagining you aren’t going to fail the criteria.

      • akmofo March 20, 2020 at 1:42 pm #


        It’s not just what you eat and drink, it’s also what you don’t eat and drink. I would avoid animal products, especially dairy eggs seafood. Lamb and goat meat is the only meat I would eat, but stick to fruits and veggies. Avoid all man made products like veg oils, refined sugar/salt, vinegar, alcohol, breads, and chemicals. Keep the diet lean and low in fat. Olive oil is fruit oil, and is ok when used sparingly.

        • BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 3:03 pm #

          More good advice, Akfomo.

        • elysianfield March 20, 2020 at 4:38 pm #

          What about corndogs? Two of the basic food groups…three, if you eat the stick.

          • akmofo March 20, 2020 at 5:08 pm #

            Sure, as long as you water them and give them some sun to grow.

    • Elrond Hubbard March 20, 2020 at 11:57 am #

      I would not rely on Dr. Mehmet Oz for medical advice or guidance, to say the least. He’s a media nitwit who promotes pseudo-science, homeopathy and similar quackery.

      • malthuss March 20, 2020 at 12:20 pm #

        why is he center stage? that area is for BIG PHARMA.

        • hmuller March 20, 2020 at 12:35 pm #

          Oz sure loves vaccines.

          • malthuss March 20, 2020 at 3:30 pm #


    • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 12:22 pm #

      “Dr. oz has called the HCQ + z-pack a potential game changer this AM. The study was released two days ago, and things are already winding up to get this proved out and into mass production.”

      Medical/scientific opinion seems to be mixed and it would be very premature to latch on to this as a panacea at this stage.


      I can’t read the whole article as I’m not a medic so can’t register, but the comments are available to read. Here’s one:

      Dr. Maurice Ramirez

      Beware the French study!!!!

      There are a number of problems with the draft document and associated data.

      There are three arms in this 36 patient pilot. Of the 16 controls, 38% of the data points are marked “n.d.” for “not done” i.e. MISSING.

      The hydrochloroquine arm of 14 patients shows a 53% raw recovery rate, but with so much control data missing this is at best interesting but not in anyway proof of success.

      The hydrochloroquine plus azithromycin arm is only 6 patients and while all 6 recovered, the number of patients is insufficient to draw any conclusion.

      More troubling is that the references include references to the Chinese trial registry but if one follows that link and then follows the Chinese links two more layers deep you discover that the data is not publically available and was only reported to the Chinese government in mid February 2020. The Chinese government audit reports indicate data will be shared sometime after May 2020.

      Certainly there is good theoretical basis for these treatments and encouraging in vitro data but hydrochloroquine is not without risk to significant portions of our population. More study is needed before anyone in government, academia or clinical care recommends the widespread use of these treatments.

      Not saying it won’t help, but people clutch at straws and it’s not fair to get their hopes up.

      • Ozymandius March 20, 2020 at 9:36 pm #

        “More study is needed before anyone in government, academia or clinical care recommends the widespread use of these treatments…….”

        Well, it’s already happening. And for the good Dr. Maurice Ramirez’s
        information, in such trying times observational studies and not double blind cross-over etc etc studies may be all we have to go on to start with. To see what the Belgians are recommending click on the link below.


        • Ozymandius March 20, 2020 at 9:43 pm #

          Simple statistical tests such as Fishers Exact Test for small numbers will give a quick and dirty answer regarding the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine when treating severe COVID 19

      • Elrond Hubbard March 21, 2020 at 10:36 am #

        I’m grateful for the individuals around here such as GreenAlba who are prepared to deal with what actual science does and doesn’t say. Those interested might also want to read the following Twitter thread:


        Quick summary:

        – First, chloroquine (CQ) and hydrochloroquine (HCQ) are confirmed effective in reducing viral loads in the lab.
        – The widely publicized French study of HCQ + azithromycin was small (n = 42 and some dropped out). 14 patients received HCQ only and 6 received HCQ + Az.
        – A control group of 16 patients received no treatment. (Controls are needed to compare and ensure there is an actual effect from the drug.)
        – The big problem: most of the controls didn’t have their viral load properly measured — only 4 out of 16.

        Conclusion, the French study was overhyped compared to its value, which unfortunately is zero. Someone needs to do a better version of this experiment on a larger scale. And Beryl was correct that Doc Oz likes to jump on board hype trains on scant evidence.

        • Elrond Hubbard March 21, 2020 at 10:39 am #

          Addendum: The combination of HCQ + azithromycin was supposed to be the big winner, but 6 people are just too few to have any confidence in that conclusion. At that small a number, individual variations can and do swamp the effect you’re looking for and leave the impression you’ve seen an effect that isn’t there.

        • GreenAlba March 22, 2020 at 9:25 am #

          Thank you, Elrond. I just try not to get carried away by wishful thinking which is not justified by sufficient evidence. Which doesn’t mean I don’t engage in wishing, but I recognise it for what it is.

          Same with people staying Wuhan wet market + nearby lab = ‘too much of a coincidence’, without at the very least mapping all wet markets and nearby labs in the whole of China. I just don’t get how people are so easily satisfied by their pet theories which may or may not be true but until proven remain in the realm of wishful thinking or speculation.

          • GreenAlba March 22, 2020 at 9:29 am #

            Mapping wet markets without nearby labs and labs without nearby wet markets would also need to be mapped!

            And you STILL wouldn’t have anything more than circumstantial evidence.

            As Timothy Evans might have been the first to understand, had he not been hanged thanks to those too fond of their own reasoning.

          • GreenAlba March 22, 2020 at 9:30 am #

            Sorry first sentence got mangled!

    • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 12:50 pm #

      The trouble with Oz is that he often jumps on board these things on scant evidence. Maybe this is different, but he’s been known to pitch discredited supplements as cure-alls.

      Not that a cure isn’t to be hoped for. The virus is real, and dangerous to those who catch it, even if it’s overblown.

    • akmofo March 20, 2020 at 1:38 pm #


      I posted about this solution the other day. 100% success rate. Just as good as a vaccine for all intent and purpose. We should get back to normal ASAP. When Trump and the MSM propaganda mafia agree, there’s something seriously wrong. I think Trump should call off all quarantine measures, mandate to open the borders and for all to get back to work. This hysteria is staged nonsense.

      • Janos Skorenzy March 20, 2020 at 1:54 pm #

        Open the borders? Why? Does Israel open the borders? Things are what they are because they’re not something else. To you, America is just an economic zone. To us it’s home. Try to have some empathy.

        • akmofo March 20, 2020 at 2:07 pm #

          I like your sense of humor, Lizard. I know you prefer that we all join you in your dark underground cavern, but prefer not to. This is staged nonsense, and most people in Israel treat it as such. Our gov mafia on the other hand, is playing along with the Vatican mafia. They always do and always did, so I’m not surprised.

          • akmofo March 20, 2020 at 2:46 pm #

            but ^I^ prefer not to

      • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 2:36 pm #

        “100% success rate”

        See above at 12:22 pm. Unscientifically minded people should be wary of their understanding of scientific literature and processes.

        And adding a pile of gratuitous insults, as you did on the previous thread, won’t add to the reliability of your ‘case’.

        Apparently there are at least 400 million people worldwide for whom this drug would be contraindicated anyway because of an existing condition. You can read about that in the comments below the Medscape article (of which I can only access the first paragraph). I forget the condition.

        • akmofo March 20, 2020 at 2:56 pm #

          I didn’t read the scientific literature. I don’t intended to. This is all contrived bullshit. I just picked up my brother from the airport. He arrived from Koh Chang where he spent a month, and nobody cared to screen him at the airport for even basic temperature. The whole thing is a joke. FAKE NEWS.

          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 3:13 pm #

            Happy that you’re happy, Mr Mofo.

            “Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt.”


            No, not that one. The other one you don’t like.

          • akmofo March 20, 2020 at 4:34 pm #

            I suppose woman are exempt since they leave the thinking to others.

          • Nightowl March 20, 2020 at 6:48 pm #

            The best part is seeing how everything major cities like NYC is closed — except the fucking metro/subway system.

            Because if there is one place you are safe, it is on the metro.

            Your spidey sense is correct, IMO.

            This is not about a virus.

          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 7:36 pm #

            “I suppose woman are exempt since they leave the thinking to others.”

            No demographic is exempt. But awareness of the phenonemon helps. And when you know that you believe things you’d rather not believe, you have an inkling that you may be just a little bit exempt. Evidence is still the way to go.

          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 7:36 pm #


          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 7:39 pm #

            “The best part is seeing how everything major cities like NYC is closed — except the fucking metro/subway system.”

            People still have to get to work, those who are manning essential services.

            Our buses are still running, but my sister in law tells me there are very few people on them so you can sit a long way from anyone.

            When my husband gets back to work, he’ll have to take the two buses he normally takes or walk a pretty long way if they’ve stopped by then.

          • akmofo March 20, 2020 at 9:55 pm #

            Even if 10% of the population got the virus and say 10% of that were to die, then we are at 1968 flu epidemic levels where 3 million people died. They did not shut down the world economy for that. There is another agenda here.

            The gov mafia is testing the public for compliance to its authority and credibility, and the public is stupid and credulous to oblige.

  22. ellipsis March 20, 2020 at 11:09 am #


    LOL. Predicted this would happen. Might be a good time to be a plumber. Whole lotta shit going out with the trash in the coming weeks I’ll bet.

    • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 11:23 am #

      This issue contributed hugely to the famous massive fatberg that had to be confronted in a London sewer a couple of years ago.

      What kind of moron takes a wipe they’ve used in the kitchen and puts it in the toilet?

      Words fail me.

      • PeteAtomic March 20, 2020 at 11:27 am #


        • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 11:36 am #

          There’s a bit of it in a museum somewhere, I believe!

          • PeteAtomic March 20, 2020 at 12:01 pm #


            I’m getting back to my cinnamon raisin bagel now

            🙂 ha

          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 8:34 pm #

            There you go, PeteA, now that you’ve finished your bagel.


            The bulk of the thing was chopped up and converted to biodiesel – what a job!

            Wet wipes act as some kind of binder, helping the thing to hold together and grow. But restaurants are guilty too, for disposing of fat and oil down drains.

            Yuk indeed.

          • Janos Skorenzy March 21, 2020 at 8:14 pm #

            The Fatberg is your God. You never stop thinking about it.

      • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 12:57 pm #

        They make wipes for the bathroom. I heard Rush Limbaugh complaining about that, he says there is an expensive brand marketed to athletes and so forth, as an ‘aspirational’ product.

        I also notice that older systems can’t handle the one-two punch of removing phosphates from dish detergent and the increase of flushable wipes instead of toilet paper.

        When environmental concerns run up against commercial interests, it always seems to be only the way of life of the average schmuck is affected. Those wipes will never be banned.

        • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 1:06 pm #

          I had one roll of wipes when my kids were babies and it never even got used up. Eventually they dried up and I threw them out.

          Never had ‘wipes’ in the house since, including now. I was brought up with ‘cloths’ and have continued in that mould ever since. You wash them, you soak them or do whatever you want with them but they never find their way into the plumbing. If ever there was a product that no-one actually needed, ‘wipes’ are it.

          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 1:07 pm #

            More or less. There will be statistically insignificant exceptions. 🙂

          • akmofo March 20, 2020 at 2:14 pm #

            What would be the statistically significant sample, Mrs Green?

          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 2:30 pm #

            I don’t know, akmofo. If you want to design a study around it, you can figure it out yourself. People will know you’re serious because they’re won’t be a smiley at the end of the abstract.

          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 2:30 pm #


          • akmofo March 20, 2020 at 2:43 pm #

            In other words, you can’t admit that you don’t know, but too lazy and incurious to even look it up on google. Sums you up, doesn’t it.

          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 2:57 pm #

            Don’t know what FFS? The comment has a smiley at the end of it. As in LIGHTHEARTED COMMENT.

            Get a grip. If you want to look into the vital necessity of wipes to human populations, deal with it yourself and sort out what you think would be statistically significant in the context.

            I know you’re smarting from not getting the salt water thing, but let it go.

    • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 12:52 pm #

      My trash didn’t go anywhere. The city sent workers home.

      • benr March 22, 2020 at 10:25 am #

        There Is the beginning of the end when the trash stops being picked up.
        Trash collectors might be some of the most important people and the most important service.

  23. JohnAZ March 20, 2020 at 11:22 am #

    I have noticed that Andrew Cuomo has taken the same tack as Trump. Daily pressers, honesty, a focus point for the efforts behind them, very little politics, no overreactions.

    Both will be remembered favorably after this goes away.

    • JohnAZ March 20, 2020 at 11:22 am #

      This is what a Democrat should be!

      • BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 11:28 am #

        I suggested to Jim a few weeks ago that Coumo might be the competent tough (and younger) Dem pol that could take on President Trump. Jim responded that Coumo is personally an unlikable and unpleasant man, implying those traits would probably doom him as a national candidate.

        • malthuss March 20, 2020 at 12:21 pm #

          thats how far that party has sunk–the best is someone who authorized the murder of live babies.
          And the dems cheers on.

          • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 1:01 pm #

            That show you how desperately he wants the presidency. That he went ahead with that extremist and ghoulish (and totally redundant and unnecessary) law, just to grab some leftist bonafides when he thought the party was leaning that way.

            Andrew is also pretty lousy at governing in general. He’s always looking for new revenue, because he wastes millions on economic development schemes that only benefit cronies, some of whom are in prison.

          • Majella March 20, 2020 at 5:43 pm #

            So far, Beryl et al, he sounds overqualified to be POTUS.

    • PeteAtomic March 20, 2020 at 11:59 am #

      I agree

  24. Pucker March 20, 2020 at 11:36 am #

    I’m thinking of starting a greenhouse to grow vegetables. Any advice? Which is better: a traditional soil greenhouse or a hydroponics greenhouse?

    Thank you

    • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 11:44 am #

      I think you have to look at how much time each will suck out of you in a day to decide right.

    • Epicur March 20, 2020 at 11:50 am #

      What little knowledge I have is that hydroponics allow closer spacing, therefore more production for the space available, but require more investment of time and equipment. Plus, not all vegetables are suited for hydroponics.

      For a first-timer, I’d go with soil.

    • CancelMyCard March 20, 2020 at 12:21 pm #

      There are also a multitude of plant diseases which thrive in the warm, humid atmosphere of greenhouses.

      The best greenhouse systems I’ve seen sit on rail rollers, and can be pushed off the beds in the summer, and rolled back over them in Spring and Autumn. This removes the problem of intense heat in the Summer, and allows rain on the beds as normal.

    • malthuss March 20, 2020 at 12:23 pm #

      Hydroponics is for deep pockets. Ive done gardening.

      Start at you tube> Michigan Gardener. usually it takes 1-5 years to green your thumb. I had a pal who said it took him 20 years to get to where he had great tomatoes, every summer.

      Too bad Tripp Ticket doesnt blog at his site any more.

      • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 1:10 pm #

        “Hydroponics is for deep pockets. ”

        That’s a novel idea for a mini-nursery!

        • benr March 20, 2020 at 10:35 pm #

          No not really nor does it take up much space.
          You can do hydroponics on the cheap just takes a little red neck know how.

          • GreenAlba March 21, 2020 at 7:10 am #

            That was a joke, benr.

            Deep pockets as a handy place to raise plants… 🙂

      • Pucker March 20, 2020 at 1:14 pm #

        Money is not really a problem. The greenhouse-on-wheels sounds interesting. The focus now is on production since we’re anticipating food shortages. Are there mineral nutrient solutions for hydroponics? I recall seeing a hydroponics system involving PVC pipes and solar panels on a street in Singapore.

        • CancelMyCard March 20, 2020 at 1:23 pm #

          There is a rather large industry catering to the hydroponics growers, fueled heavily by the cannabis sector. There is much information to be garnered through search engines and YouTube.

          My own personal experience with hydroponics led me to the conclusion that, at scale, it requires a larger time commitment than with outdoor/soil gardening, due to the steeper learning curve and associated systems tweaking.

          Best of luck, and please get back to us with your results.

          • Pucker March 20, 2020 at 1:27 pm #

            So if I go out and buy a lot of Hydroponics supplies, then people will assume that I’m growing Weed commercially and my name might get on a List?

          • malthuss March 20, 2020 at 3:33 pm #

            Puck, anything is possible. Folks have been busted for water and electrical overuse, ie they grow weed.

          • elysianfield March 20, 2020 at 4:51 pm #

            “then people will assume…”


          • benr March 20, 2020 at 10:37 pm #

            Most people caught growing weed that way don’t get caught for power use as they wire around the meter,
            They get caught by FLIR and heat signatures then they get nailed with the felony of wiring around the meter.
            That felony is far worse then growing the weed now.

    • Janos Skorenzy March 20, 2020 at 1:57 pm #

      The Robinson’s on Lost in Space used hydoponics. But weather on those planets can be tricky.

      • hmuller March 20, 2020 at 4:33 pm #

        If they revive the series I nominate creepy Adam Schiff to play creepy Doctor Smith. ’nuff said.

  25. Pucker March 20, 2020 at 11:42 am #

    Demonic possession….

    “ Literally hundreds of thousands of people in Philadelphia were falling ill. Virtually all of them, along with their friends and relatives, were terrified that, no matter how mild the symptoms seemed at first, within them moved an alien force, a seething, spreading infection, a live thing with a will that was taking over their bodies—and could be killing them. And those who moved about them feared—feared both for the victims and for themselves.”

    John M. Barry
    The Great Influenza: The Story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History

    • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 11:48 am #

      “Many houses were then left desolate, all the people being carried away dead . . . and some that died last in several of those houses were left a little too long before they were fetched out to be buried; the reason of which was not, as some have written very untruly, that the living were not sufficient to bury the dead, but that the mortality was so great in the yard or alley that there was nobody left to give notice to the buriers or sextons that there were any dead bodies there to be buried. It was said, how true I know not, that some of those bodies were so much corrupted and so rotten that it was with difficulty they were carried”

      Daniel Defoe
      A Journal of the Plague Year

      • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 11:49 am #

        Janos, don’t let this happen!

        • Janos Skorenzy March 20, 2020 at 2:02 pm #

          Ramakrishna described with what unspeakable tenderness Shiva takes each soul.

          The foul body? The quicker it decays the better. Burn them! Let us dance around the fire! Perhaps once festivities get going, I’ll dance in the flames.

          One has to be in the proper state to do such things. The body must be partially dematerialized by Ecstasy. Otherwise you’ll get hurt…..

  26. Nik Charles March 20, 2020 at 11:42 am #

    Looks clear to me the Democrats will offer a woman VP and that woman will soon be president.

    • Epicur March 20, 2020 at 11:51 am #

      That surely seems likely, but I would not count Trump out yet.

      “A week is a long time in politics.”

    • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 1:05 pm #

      I think they will have to go with a woman VP. I think they will have a white man first on the ticket, and I don’t think they will risk it being Biden in the general, because the general is harder to rig.

      • Janos Skorenzy March 20, 2020 at 2:03 pm #

        Goldman Sachs refuses to take Companies public if they don’t have one woman or minority on the board. Soon the quota will be increased no doubt. And then people deny we are being persecuted.

        • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 2:26 pm #

          What are the requirements to be on a board? Does it have to be a different woman on each board? I can be a minority, if necessary.

          • BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 3:01 pm #

            Nice legs.

            Decent figure

            Breasts that won’t quit

          • Janos Skorenzy March 20, 2020 at 10:33 pm #

            What are you? A Black woman with White hair from Kerala, India?

  27. BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 11:44 am #

    On a happier note sun’s declination at 0°N 13`. Spring has arrived!

    • stelmosfire March 20, 2020 at 1:16 pm #

      Frost is out of the ground and the earthworms were up three days ago . Right on schedule 8 days after the worm moon.

    • Janos Skorenzy March 20, 2020 at 2:07 pm #

      So your researches have indicated the climate hasn’t changed in the last three hundred years and more? Interesting because what’s his name who has written on the Pilgrims and the Whalers, thought that Old New England had a much more severe climate than now, with Plymouth being like the coast of Maine.

      In any case, it was more severe than Southern England. Maybe the shock of the Pilgrims influenced him. They were not prepared obviously and suffered horrendously.

      • BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 2:16 pm #

        An early spring what can I say,

        It happens sometimes

        I’ll take it


        • stelmosfire March 20, 2020 at 2:35 pm #

          Snow on Monday Marlin. The worms will be layin’ low like the humanoids. Not too much I hope or I’ll have to break the lockdown to head out for cleanup.

          • BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 2:59 pm #

            Sh#t. I just put away the snow shovels, spiked the snowblower.

  28. xxzzy999 March 20, 2020 at 11:47 am #

    Bernie is despised by the Democrat Party. They tolerate him because he funnels votes into the Party. Bernie has ZERO CHANCE of getting the nomination… just as in 2016.

    Biden is UNELECTABLE. Too much baggage/corruption unfolding… Hunter’s involvement in Ukraine and China. Biden’s brother involved in Iraq construction projects. Biden’s deteriorating mental state are visible and very concerning. Biden would be a disaster running against President Trump, and the Democrats know this.

    Hillary will be the nominee and is the Democrat’s best candidate to run in 2020 (no matter how much the Republicans despise her… me included). She has enormous power in the party and has the people and money to launch by far the best campaign. Hillary received 95% of the Super Delegate’s vote in the 2016 Convention. The Super Delegates are the heart and soul of the Democrat Party, made up of all Democrat Senators, House members, Governors, ex-Presidents, etc… approx 775 delegates.

    She has learned from her mistakes in 2016… she has avoided running in the primaries, thus avoiding any negative press so far. She has been very visible lately with appearances on late night talk shows, podcasts, book tours, HULU biography launched last week during Super Tuesday, thus polishing her image before entering the race. Get ready for Trump vs. Hillary 2.0 my friends.

    • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 11:51 am #

      A head of lettuce running against Trump is electable. Which is actually a problem.

      • JohnAZ March 20, 2020 at 12:07 pm #

        We will see, in November. Are you going to join CNN and Rachel Maddox in a good cry when Trump wins, like 2016.

        • xxzzy999 March 21, 2020 at 10:03 am #

          MAGA! also MLCA! (make liberals cry again)

      • ellipsis March 20, 2020 at 12:53 pm #

        Far too early to read the tea leaves, Dog. My sense is that Trump is doing very well in all this after his early gaffes. Biden’s senior moments do not bode well for his chances, even if he only holds the office ceremoniously and briefly. But more than any of that, I think there’s a WHOLE LOT more going on with this CV thing than we know about now. So it’s just damn near impossible to make predictions about anything as silly as a presidential election at this point.

        • JohnAZ March 20, 2020 at 2:48 pm #

          You are right! Call it hopeful thinking.

        • xxzzy999 March 24, 2020 at 11:57 am #

          … silly?

    • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 12:11 pm #

      Andrew wants the nomination.

      • BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 2:42 pm #


        The Dems have to have a plan If 80 yo Biden collapses while campaigning in the Texas heat later on in the year, say, August, 105°F, in Dallas, 100% humidity and not a breath of fresh air available for 250 miles working the crowd of curious Mexicans and Bernie Sandals stragglers, trying to win them over. Sweating like a dog, greasy tacos roiling his stomach, can’t breath, can’t breath! All goes dark!

        That’s when DNC chief Tom Perez places the call to Albany.

        • Majella March 20, 2020 at 5:47 pm #

          You’re assuming the Covid19 drama will be over by August? Wishful thinking, I’m guessing.

          • Nightowl March 20, 2020 at 7:04 pm #

            You’ve said something correct! Where I work (an elite global firm that has been successfuly integrated into the Purple Revolution) they are setting up for very long term telecommuting.

            Our cushy salaries and benefits aren’t going anywhere, which I suspect is the case for most organizations and folks privately or not so privately cheering the virus’ spread.

            The media-based fear porn is scheduled to continue well into 2020. But we could see that coming a mile away.

            Kill that economy and influence that election. Screw those who will suffer heavily, because the Orange Man won’t stop fighting the Open Society plantation.

        • xxzzy999 March 24, 2020 at 11:59 am #

          You care correct… except the DNC won’t wait until Biden collapses. They aren’t that stupid.

    • hmuller March 20, 2020 at 4:56 pm #

      Does old uncle Joe know about this plan? Is he scheduled for a fatal stroke at or just before the convention?

      • stelmosfire March 20, 2020 at 6:15 pm #

        You’ll have to check with Hillary for an answer to that question.

  29. fugeguy March 20, 2020 at 11:52 am #

    “America’s hard time: weakness and their own death, by suicide”

    So far dead on. All I’ve seen from my fellow citizens in this crisis is weakness, stupidity and false bravo f u c k it mentality. In the press conferences one must credit Trump for not b i t c h slapping a couple of these reporters. I’d have thrown the Kung Flu broad out and made sure she never got back in. The luxury of virtue signalling is over kiddies and papa’s boot is coming for your azz if you dare to disagree.

    On a brighter note there has been a lot of friends, family and neighbors helping each other and sharing stuff, doing the shopping, etc in y locale. We may get through this despite the government and national media 😉

    • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 12:09 pm #

      I was just in a local supermarket, they seem to have told their overworked employees to be extra nice. A cashier came to the front and waved me into her empty lane.
      I stopped at a co-op on my way home, because the market was out of an item I wanted. This co-op has been in the local news lately because they are financially stressed. First thing I noticed on my way in, a young girl was coughing all over.
      This was not in a poor neighborhood, quite the contrary. THe customers tend to be somewhat ‘upscale’.
      After finding what I needed, I headed for the register, only to have the cashier set one of those bars that go betwwen orders down, and tell me I had to stand behind it, and wait for the woman at the end to leave. “Social distance” you see. What a maroon.
      Hope they go under.

      • ellipsis March 20, 2020 at 1:07 pm #

        6:00~8:00 AM has now been unofficially designated as “Geezer Hours” locally. The old birds settle on the local supermarket like a plague of locusts, leaving the stock utterly depleted until the poor stockers can catch their breaths and get it all built up again for the second wave a few hours later. The old bastards can be quite surly as well, my stocker friends tell me. If this goes on for awhile I can imagine assigned shopping times and store occupancy limits. They’ve evidently already implemented that last one at store opening time, letting the teeming throngs through the doors in 25 shopper increments, spaced out by a few minutes per wave.

        • fugeguy March 20, 2020 at 1:23 pm #

          Yea 97% of the population is trying to go from 7 days food at home to 6 months. Gonna take some time. Hope these folks understand shelf life?

          But golly people have to have enough TP by now you’d think.

  30. Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 12:10 pm #

    Just got a call, Cuomo shut down non-essential businesses.

    • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 12:15 pm #


  31. K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 12:16 pm #

    “The truth is that everyone is bored, and devotes himself to cultivating habits. Our citizens work hard, but solely with the object of getting rich. Their chief interest is commerce, and their chief aim in life is, as they call it, ‘doing business.'”

    “You must picture the consternation of our little town, hitherto so tranquil, and now, out of the blue, shaken to its core, like a quite healthy man who all of a sudden feels his temperature shoot up and the blood seething like wildfire in his veins.”

    Albert Camus, “The Plague”

  32. K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 12:19 pm #

    “He knew quite well that it was plague and, needless to say, he also knew that, were this to be officially admitted, the authorities would be compelled to take very drastic steps. This was, of course, the explanation of his colleagues’ reluctance to face the facts.”

    Albert Camus, “The Plague”

  33. Soloview March 20, 2020 at 12:22 pm #

    There are only a few things I am sure of more than that Joe Biden is a more palatable Big Daddy figure than Donald J. to at least one half of the country. I agree with Jim that he is senile-strength incompetent and an arch-corrupt Washington weasel but unlike Jim I don’t think these things will matter to most voters in the fall. During his first term in office, Reagan said many idiotic things, mixed up life memories with his movie roles, had Nancy or cue cards prompt him when he was lost for words, and all but undid the regulatory systems and taxation that kept the U.S. decent and its economy manageable. And yet, he was re-elected even after a disastrous first debate with Mondale, in which he easily matched blanks by Sleepy Joe. But somehow Ronald managed to talk coherently while shuffling his feet, in the second debate. He campaigned, smiling and waving, occasionally delivering some really stupid joke, like when he at the height of the campaign announced he signed a bill to outlaw the “Evil Empire”. And yet he was the Big Daddy who made everyone with money feel good about America. In the end, they were the ones that mattered. The thing is that under Reagan and the second Bush, a manifestly incompetent president is actually a boon for powerful cliques around him, for a cackle of smart boys and girls who will do what is good for the Big Money in the U.S., China and places elsewhere, just like it has been done since Ronald Reagan. Trump is no exception, all his tweeting twaddle all the same. This should be self-evident to anyone who knows the name of Arthur Laffer and that Trump considered him the economics thinker most deserving the presidential Medal of Freedom. So, as we go through the sad saga of a pandemic that has crippled the world economy before it materialized as a lethal scourge, it should be clear that all bets are off concerning the November election shenanigans. It actually looks better for Biden because if the stocks do not recover substantially by fall, which looks improbable, the Trump fairy-tale of unprecedented prosperity for working Americans will have gone faster than this week’s toilet paper off the shelves. There was a great line in a silly Mel Gibson flick called “The Edge of Darkness”. It was delivered by a corrupt cop called “Whitehouse” (kid you not): “It never is what it is, it’s always what it can me made to look like”. Biden as a Big Daddy is no problem to arrange at all.

    • Tate March 20, 2020 at 3:39 pm #

      It may be Biden’s to lose, & he just may pull it off (lose). If anybody can do it, he can. How ironic if Trump ends up unifying the country. Problem is, nobody can unify this mess. Trump doesn’t have the killer instinct. He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, then he watched as his older brother drank himself to death. He never expected to take the family reins. Life was always a game to him. He played it well but he was never going “to do whatever it takes,” as Richard Crenna said playing Edmund Walker in the brilliant 80s film noir “Body Heat.”

  34. malthuss March 20, 2020 at 12:25 pm #

    Can anyone confirm this–

    It also may be a coincidence that the primary US bioweapons lab, Ft. Detrick, was shut down in summer 2019 over fears that weaponized pathogens might escape.
    It may be a coincidence that absurdly under-performing US military athletes came to Wuhan for the World Military Games in October and have since been accused by China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs of being the source of the Covid-19 pandemic.
    It may be a coincidence that at the same time those “athletes” were in Wuhan, the World Economic Forum, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Johnson & Johnson, and other Establishment titans were hosting a pandemic simulation called Event 201.

    It may be purely coincidental that the virus appeared in Wuhan, home of China’s biggest biodefense laboratory, and China’s biggest transportation hub, just in time for the Chinese New Year, when most Chinese travel to visit relatives.

    Likewise, it could be coincidental that the real-life Covid-19 pandemic almost perfectly mimics Lockstep, the Rockefeller Foundation’s recipe for a global police state emerging on the back of a coronavirus-style pandemic.

    Then again, it could be that the Chinese government’s suspicions about the US, or others’ suspicions about Israel (especially regarding the coronavirus catastrophe in Iran) are justified.
    But such possibilities are far outside of the mainstream media’s Overton Window. The whole topic of bioweapons in relation to coronavirus is an MSM no-go zone, just as the evidence and arguments refuting the official story was a no-go zone after 9/11.

    The very fact that such things are unspeakable in the Mockingbird media suggests that yet another nefarious propaganda operation is underway

    • ellipsis March 20, 2020 at 12:58 pm #

      Where’d you pick this up? I was reading similar stuff all day yesterday. There’s much more out there too.

      • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 1:11 pm #

        The MSM is pushing Communist China’s propaganda for them.

        • ellipsis March 20, 2020 at 2:40 pm #

          Yeah, right. Quite the opposite.

        • Nightowl March 20, 2020 at 7:06 pm #

          China is now homebase for many of the Open Society elites and their associated business enterprises.

  35. malthuss March 20, 2020 at 12:29 pm #

    Eating oranges is always good advice.–not for everyone.

    • ellipsis March 20, 2020 at 12:56 pm #

      Too acidic. And off the charts in fruit sugar.

      • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 1:01 pm #

        You aren’t not required to eat five of them every day, ellipsis. Or even one every day. As part of a balanced diet they’re way better than a bottle of fizzy goo.

        • ellipsis March 20, 2020 at 2:52 pm #

          Nope. No fizzy goo either. False dichotomy.

          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 3:04 pm #

            It’s not a dichotomy for me – I eat what I like and I prefer vegetables to fruit, although I do eat fruit.

            If we could get all kids to quit fizzy goo and eat an orange every day, that would be a massive benefit compared to the current situation.

            You can work on getting them to eat spinach, kale and turnip in Stage 2.

      • Epicur March 20, 2020 at 1:20 pm #

        Greens (turnip, spinach, collards, kale, etc.) are quite high in vitamin C. The important thing is that the half life is very short, like 1/2 hour, so you want to graze on small quantities throughout the day.

      • BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 2:56 pm #

        What about the Vitamen C? That’s good for you, isn’t it. OJ is like liquid sunshine.

    • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 12:57 pm #

      I suspect, then, that those for whom it is contraindicated will be aware of the contraindication.

      Just like my other half knows not to eat prawns or clams if he wants his head to stay roughly the same size. And not die.

      • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 1:14 pm #

        That reminds me. I have been hearing “take acetaminophen, not ibuprofen” for the coronavirus. I don’t know what the reason is.

        • Epicur March 20, 2020 at 1:17 pm #

          French Doctors are saying that ibuprofen burdens the kidneys as does corona virus, therefore one should not combine.

          Pretty speculative, but I certainly would not take ibuprofen if I had corona symptoms.

          • Beryl of Oyl March 20, 2020 at 1:42 pm #

            It’s interesting the way different countries that practice Western medicine, have different aspects they emphasize.
            I read a book by a woman who was misdiagnosed for her breast cancer in France. Back in the USA, doctors treated her for it, but told her there was nothing they could do for a side effect of her treatment, a burning and tingling in her hands.
            When she went back to France, doctors gave her some “vitamins” for that, and it went away.

        • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 1:35 pm #

          Yes, they’re saying that here. Take paracetamol. NSAIDs generally that are contra-indicated.

          But people who have been prescribed Ibuprofen for other conditions should apparently continue taking it.


          Sorry, it’s the BBC – first one that came up!

          • stelmosfire March 20, 2020 at 6:20 pm #

            ” Take paracetamol” On this side of the pond we call it acetaminophen. I saw that term ” paracetamol” and did not have a clue what it was.

          • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 7:27 pm #

            Likewise with your version, StE!

  36. K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 12:35 pm #


    K-Dog “There Is No Exit Plan. It Is Like a Spark in a Powderkeg.”

    • K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 12:58 pm #

      Please give me a thumb. Up or down.

  37. rexl March 20, 2020 at 12:59 pm #

    I am not “replying” to anyone. But I must say, to all black potential candidates, “You are not Obama.”

  38. JohnAZ March 20, 2020 at 2:01 pm #

    Just finished Living in the Long Emergency. Very different than the first two. The biographies put a real feel on the prognostications. “Now what-“ was very effective.

    JHK, my first reaction was how your predictions have accelerated with the virus and it might be time for an addendum already. It is incredible how fast things are changing.

  39. K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 2:07 pm #

    “To some, the sermon simply brought home the fact that they had been sentenced, for an unknown crime, to an indeterminate period of punishment. And while a good many people adapted themselves to confinement and carried on their humdrum lives as before, there were others who rebelled and whose one idea now was to break loose from the prison-house.”

    Albert Camus ‘The Plague’

  40. K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 2:13 pm #

    “He knew that the tale he had to tell could not be one of final victory. It could be only the record of what had to be done, and what assuredly would have to be done again in the never-ending fight against terror and its relentless onslaughts.”

    Albert Camus ‘The Plague’

    • elysianfield March 21, 2020 at 1:35 am #

      To hell with final victory…what happened to the old gent who would go out on his balcony and spit at the cat?

  41. Janos Skorenzy March 20, 2020 at 2:39 pm #


    Forced quarantine and testing is one thing – but forced vaccination is another. Seems like another 9/11 shaping up, with a huge increase in Government power in the offing.

    Remember, if you accept the chip, you will not see God.

    The only publication in English (the lingua franca of Western Civ) that is reporting this. Thank Anglin for his tireless service.

    • ellipsis March 20, 2020 at 2:50 pm #

      Yep! There it is.

    • Tate March 20, 2020 at 3:09 pm #

      Forcing vaccination?! This is indeed madness. It goes beyond even ‘Reefer Madness,’ which is one of the most subtle & powerful madnesses there is.

      I will never allow myself or my loved ones to be vaccinated against our wills. They will have to drag us away blindfolded, gagged & in handcuffs first.

      I have begun to agree with the Zman, who is standing against the mania of the multitudes. Let’s steepen the curve, bitches.

      • Tate March 20, 2020 at 4:23 pm #

        This is in accord with Bastiat’s ‘broken window’ fallacy. By allowing the economy to atrophy, we may actually be costing lives, not saving them.

    • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 3:52 pm #

      “Forced quarantine and testing is one thing – but forced vaccination is another.”

      So why are you mentioning forced vaccination when it’s not in the law and there isn’t even a vaccine?

      • Tate March 20, 2020 at 3:55 pm #

        Article mentions the law includes forced vaccination (when a vaccine is developed).

        • GreenAlba March 20, 2020 at 4:05 pm #

          OK, thanks – didn’t read that far. Mea culpa.

          • Janos Skorenzy March 20, 2020 at 10:37 pm #

            Ah, that’s telling indeed. Just reads enough to bash. You are not forgiven thus you will be called, The Unforgiven.

          • Tate March 21, 2020 at 12:12 pm #

            You’re welcome, GA. And things were going along so well, Janos. But then this morning she replied very harshly to me in a thread above. I’m going to have to remember never to use the expression “Content Development Specialist,” which she claims is an American invention. It does sound bureaucratese which is associated throughout the world these days as characteristically American, but the British had an official empire, which we never did, and the Brits do speak approximately the same language we do. She also said that she would never want to meet me personally, but I never proposed anything of the sort, what an outlandish idea.

          • GreenAlba March 21, 2020 at 8:25 pm #

            Quit with the disingenuous pretend innocence, Tate. I have replied to it elsewhere. You are as dishonest as Janos.

          • GreenAlba March 22, 2020 at 4:29 pm #

            I’m going to have to remember never to use the expression “Content Development Specialist”.

            That would be good, Tate, and would add to your credibility as an adult.

            I have no wish to bore you or anyone else with details of what a CDS/Development Editor is expected to do with text, references, illustrations and video footage submitted for a book on, for example, inflammatory bowel disease.

            But if your lurid imagination can dream up anything sinister that might be included in the job processes, please give details or give it a feckin’ rest till the end of time.

            FYI, the inclusion of the word ‘content’ in that and related job titles resulted from the expansion of an editor’s remit to include online digital material in addition to physical books.

            See how un-sinister life can be when you don’t let your febrile paranoia run away with you?

  42. JohnAZ March 20, 2020 at 2:45 pm #

    On a much lighter note,

    Did anyone else balance an egg on end yesterday? It worked for us.

  43. ellipsis March 20, 2020 at 2:48 pm #

    The NFL’s New Orleans Saints’ head coach Sean Payton has reportedly been diagnosed with CV. He “wasn’t feeling well” over the weekend, so he just popped in for a quick test, and sure enough! In spite of the fact that he still isn’t exhibiting the two hallmark symptoms of the virus, high fever and labored breathing, which means he never should have qualified for testing – assuming it was even available – in the first place! Nope, resting comfortably at home now, just wanted everyone else to know that this shit’s damn serious, and we should all just do as we’re told.

    One word (compound): BULLSHIT!!! Two words: FUCKING BULLSHIT!!!

    • tucsonspur March 20, 2020 at 5:14 pm #

      When asked about elites getting tested quickly, Trump essentially responded, ‘that’s life’.

  44. Janos Skorenzy March 20, 2020 at 2:49 pm #

    Mr Kunstler describes the adolescent childishness of Trump’s detractors and Elrond and Evelyn chime right into to illustrate the same.

    Thanks kids!

    • EvelynV March 20, 2020 at 5:48 pm #

      Jezzuss Janos,

      Anytime children are mentioned you perk right up!

  45. snagglepuss March 20, 2020 at 2:59 pm #

    “You can call that a lot of things, but one of them has got to be: strength.” JHK

    He isn’t my President, but as an observer of the american political scene I totally agree with that comment. I think the USA is lucky to have him. I would vote for him if I were american.
    It’s true he lacks some of the finesse commonly associated with the office, though I prefer that to the glib rehearsed responses of some of his predecessors. You can agree or disagree with his position on issues or the manner in which he presents them, but there is no question he has taken more abuse than any other President. By the media, the democratic opposition, even some in his own party. He’s a bit of a street fighter, though. Very tough. I have to admire him for it. He didn’t need to run for President. Seemed to have a pretty full life without it. Raised a more or less level headed family which one seldom sees with that kind of money. Doesn’t smoke or drink. So what if he likes hamburgers. I do too. I’ve crossed a few other lines in the past as well, but most people I know have as well if they would admit it. The amount of time and money wasted on the ridiculous ‘Russian Escapades’ was unbelievable. Sometimes Jim asks “Has America lost its shit”? It sure as hell did on that issue.
    I wonder what would happen if for just one brief shining little moment the country got behind their President? Try to work through disagreements. But just once try to unite as a country. That could be the path back to greatness. Trump has accomplished a lot given the number of blows raining down on him, many dirty, dirty underhanded ones.
    I like him. Go orange man. Your nation needs you, even if they can’t see it.

  46. Tate March 20, 2020 at 4:01 pm #


    Someone calling themselves ‘abbybwood’ made a puerile attempt to deflect from a comment I made above. Can you put on your special goggles & give me a heads up as to whether this individual is one of Them? Thanks.

    • malthuss March 20, 2020 at 9:58 pm #


      “Italy lost 410,000 people in 1918 to Spanish Flu. I’d be surprised if they get even half that now.” — Dr Tom Schmidt

      You can’t call it Spanish Flu anymore, Dr. Tom. The (((Gatekeepers))) at Wikipedia are working overtime (see discussion box at top of article) to get the name changed to “1918 influenza pandemic”. In fact, by the time you click the link, you may be directed to the desired title. See, that un-PC (as of four days ago) title doesn’t fit the agenda anymore. Hence down the Memory hole. (It’s all about power or as they say, “Who/Whom?”)

      abbybwood March 20, 2020 at 3:36 pm #

      I didn’t realize the 1968 “Noro-virus” originated in Norwalk, Ohio! A mere 17 miles from my hometown!

      Norwalk virus! Norwalk virus! Norwalk virus!!!!

      • malthuss March 20, 2020 at 9:59 pm #

        Can KDog find out where Abby posts from?

        • Janos Skorenzy March 20, 2020 at 10:44 pm #

          What was the name of that woman who used to post from Appalachia? Was it Abby? She was a teacher who hated the local Whites with a passion, but was fine with the Blacks. She had moved to live there and hate these people. Yes, Tribe.

          She used to joust with Q. Very smart. He knows his grammar by what sounds right. She could explain why it was like that. Old school, grew up diagramming sentences, etc. I did a bit of that, but it’s pretty much forgotten now. I go by “ear” as Q does. Most of my mistakes are typos, though you guys probably don’t buy that cuz it would get in the way of your pleasure at correcting me.

          • Q. Shtik March 20, 2020 at 11:10 pm #

            Was it Abby? – Janos


            I seem to recall the name “AbbysBooks”, I think.

          • Janos Skorenzy March 21, 2020 at 1:10 am #

            Thanks. That rings a bell.

      • Nightowl March 21, 2020 at 4:46 am #

        Wikipedia is such a joke.

    • Tate March 21, 2020 at 11:55 am #

      By Them of course I mean the movie “Them.”

  47. tucsonspur March 20, 2020 at 4:35 pm #

    You’re always outdoing yourself ,Jim. Great stuff, great take on Biden.

    Spring is in the air and so is Death. Go out for your eggs, you’re on your last legs. Go out for your bread and you’re stone cold dead.

    I’ll give you that. Trump strong like bull. But he could have done better on this one, and no, I’m not going to repeat the many examples out there that indicate this is true. But like Obama would say, ‘make no mistake’. My vote is still for the Grand Gadfly of Gotham.

    No, Trump isn’t a ‘Reservoir Dog’, but he is Mr. Orange. Is Trump Lawrence Tierney? No, but I wish he was.


  48. wpa_ccc March 20, 2020 at 4:38 pm #

    I am saying we don’t know yet what his mettle will show in this crisis, and where it might take us. One thing for sure: he’s been subjected to more political abuse than any character on-the-scene in my lifetime

    I would say Obama suffered more abuse. No one is questioning where Trump was born. No one is demanding Trump produce a long form birth certificate to prove he is American. No one is calling Trump a Muslim, or a Marxist. Trumps bows to dictators, takes Putin’s word over American intelligence agencies, and no one is calling Trump an apologist. Obama brought us out of a Bush recession. Trump is taking us into an economic Depression greater than 1929.

    We do know what his mettle is in this crisis. He denies all responsibility. He claims he is the victim. He talks incessantly in superlatives about how great he is. He has failed the leadership test. Trump is to blame for the humanitarian and economic disaster Americans are suffering. This is a fact which cannot be denied.

    Here are the facts:

    Trump had the advantage of seeing how Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea and others prepared for the coronavirus and took proactive measures to prevent its spread, Trump did nothing.

    Trump dismantled the White House task force responsible for pandemic responses.

    Trump sat on his hands while the death toll escalated in other countries.

    Trump called the virus a “hoax.” 

    Trump repeatedly claimed it would “miraculously” go away on its own.

    Trump downplayed the intensity of the virus by comparing it to the seasonal flu.

    Trump insisted for months that the situation was “totally under control” saying it was only a few cases soon to go to zero.

    Trump failed to procure ventilators, personal protection equipment, or even basic diagnostic tests.

    Trump is a weak leader. Now the United States faces a domestic crisis unseen since the Great Depression. The markets know this and have reacted to Trump’s piss poor “briefings” in which he attacks the press and attacks reporters personally, even if they ask soft ball questions like: “What would you like to say to Americans?”

    The situation we are in is the result of a weak President’s political malpractice, not biological bad luck, and certainly not the press. Trump is his own political enemy.

    • BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 4:50 pm #

      Congratulations, Little Jane!

      You’re the first CFN poster to get rated on the Hate-O-Meter scale!

      A little weak and repetitive, Hate-O-Meter awards you a score of: 5.

      You can do better, I know you can, Little Jane.

      You’re ahead, but rest assured Evelyn and Cargill are cooking up hate as I type this. Yo have your work cut out for you.


      • wpa_ccc March 20, 2020 at 4:55 pm #

        Who is Little Jane? I have searched the archives and there is no one who posts with that handle.

        ALEXANDER: “What do you say to Americans who are scared?”

        TRUMP: “I say that you are a terrible reporter. That’s what I say.”

        • BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 5:06 pm #

          Weak! WEAK!

          Nonetheless, Hate-O-Meter rates you a 2.

          The points are picking up Asoka.


          • Majella March 21, 2020 at 3:49 am #

            Truth = Hate, Marlin? Take your lips off Himself’s anus.

      • EvelynV March 20, 2020 at 5:50 pm #

        Which brings up this question:

        Is it MAGA time yet?

        • BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 7:15 pm #


          A gratuitous shot, out of nowhere, unrelated to anything.

          Evelyn, the Hate-O-Meter rates that comment at a 4.

          • EvelynV March 20, 2020 at 7:52 pm #

            Why can’t you just answer the question.

            And, the other question. How much longer is the waiting period for you?

            If they turn you down I have .22 rifle I could loan you.

          • BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 8:43 pm #

            Evelyn no waiting period for me; I have a permit.

            Also, .22s aplenty around here, hold on to yours.

          • EvelynV March 20, 2020 at 10:24 pm #

            Why don’t you come and borrow it anyhow? I know a good place we can meet up in the woods.

          • EvelynV March 20, 2020 at 10:37 pm #

            BRH – maybe half the states allow bypassing the waiting period if you own a permit.

            So I guess there is only a fifty percent chance you are lying.

            Besides a continual state of confusion, what other state are you in?

          • benr March 20, 2020 at 10:42 pm #

            March 20, 2020 at 10:24 pm #

            Why don’t you come and borrow it anyhow? I know a good place we can meet up in the woods.”

            That really does smack of going to far.
            Knock it off if this was my site you would get a week ban for that comment.

          • EvelynV March 21, 2020 at 12:06 am #

            Thanks benr, I needed that,

            BRH hopefully knows how much I enjoy his presence here.

            You only tease the ones you love.

          • BackRowHeckler March 21, 2020 at 9:34 am #

            Yeah, no worries, Evelyn,

            Sometime the rhetoric here upsets overheated,

            It just makes this place more interesting.


          • BackRowHeckler March 21, 2020 at 9:35 am #

            That’s “gets overheated”

    • tucsonspur March 20, 2020 at 5:07 pm #

      You’re only partly right here, wpa. Obama never had to fend off a ferocious, fabricated coup attempt. If this had happened to him, he’d probably still be hiding in some Kenyan mud hut.

      • wpa_ccc March 20, 2020 at 5:13 pm #

        If said hut utilizes passive solar adobe construction, he could do worse.

        • BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 7:31 pm #

          Asoka, you told us you lived in an Adobe hut one time remember?

  49. wpa_ccc March 20, 2020 at 5:11 pm #

    In just one month Trump has wiped out all of his vaunted years of DJIA gains.

    To equal Obama’s performance Trump will need close to a Dow of 50,000.

    Personally, I don’t think that will happen before he is removed from office by the citizens on Tuesday, November 3, 2020.

  50. akmofo March 20, 2020 at 5:19 pm #

    “There was something certainly supernatural about his ascent in the recent cluster of primaries, as if some gang of someones worked strenuously behind the scenes to make it happen.” — JHK

    Some may even call it conspiracy.
    I prefer to call it for what it is: Mafia.

    • BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 6:56 pm #

      Where is Biden, incidentally? Past 5 or 6 days haven’t heard much from him.

      • akmofo March 20, 2020 at 7:43 pm #


    • EvelynV March 20, 2020 at 7:58 pm #

      Bernie made a strategic error.

      He should have privately met with the big shots in the DNC.

      He should have laid down some terms and made them understand in no uncertain language.


      If any attempt was made secretly or privately to steer the primary against him,

      he would run as a 3rd party candidate.

      If the primaries are fair and square with regard to DNC’s involvement,
      he would support whoever runs.

      • BackRowHeckler March 20, 2020 at 8:52 pm #

        Problem is, Breadline Bernie is not a Democrat and not a party member. Why should the DNC deal with him at all? The Dems tolerated him for awhile, but that’s over. Next thing you’ll hear about Breadline is he’ll be running for association president at some retirement home in Rutland, Vt. It has to be tough for you lefties … you lose every time — it makes you bitter — and all that’s left is hate, as we see on this site,

        Hence, the Hate-O-Meter


        • benr March 20, 2020 at 10:43 pm #

          You forgot to mention some of them straight up stole his platform and gave him nary a nod while doing it.

        • Janos Skorenzy March 20, 2020 at 10:47 pm #

          Imagine how much BRH hates “Bernie Sandals”. There’s two kinds of men: those who wear sandals and those who don’t. Guess which kind BRH is? Kdog wears sandals too….

  51. Jigplate March 20, 2020 at 5:20 pm #

    I’m happy to be out of NYC, all of those”urban youth” running wild, with no high school day care centers to keep them busy, it’s going to be a long hot summer in fun city!

  52. tucsonspur March 20, 2020 at 5:37 pm #

    Trump will rally America by going out to help treat infected people wearing only golf shorts and an Arnold Palmer top.

  53. K-Dog March 20, 2020 at 5:37 pm #

    Trump looks into the mirror and smiles.

    Chinese flu woo-hoo, finally I am a war time president Bernie can’t touch me now..


    • PeteAtomic March 20, 2020 at 10:55 pm #

      The Dems have gone balls deep into Joe Biden.. and what do they got?

      well look at the last couple days.. where the fuck is Joe? The guy has disappeared.. you’d think that he would be a strident voice out there right now in the middle of this pandemic.. but the guy has literally vanished.. he had some kinda bizarre “virtual town hall” that was just a bunch of platitudes.. Dementia Joe was shuffling around talking on his cell phone.. I just don’t know how the DNC sees a path to victory with this guy..

      • BackRowHeckler March 21, 2020 at 12:00 am #

        Maybe Joe has been exposed to the Asoka virus too.

  54. Tate March 20, 2020 at 5:40 pm #

    Tulsi Gabbard dropped out & endorsed Biden. What’s the angle she’s playing? Cabinet post?

    • wpa_ccc March 20, 2020 at 5:51 pm #

      Secretary of Defense

    • Nightowl March 21, 2020 at 4:50 am #

      And there it is. I told you she was a fake. Just like Sanders before her. They stand for nothing.

      • Laundromat Blues March 21, 2020 at 3:57 pm #

        She’s starting her own brand of luggage. “It’s a Tulsi Gabbard,” she said smugly.

    • K-Dog March 21, 2020 at 9:21 pm #

      For a pound of flesh. But it does not matter. The nation needs health care so it is time for Bernie to tell the Democratic Party to stick it where the sun don’t shine and get elected as an independent. It will be like catching fish in a barrel.

  55. knuclebuster March 20, 2020 at 6:37 pm #

    Monty Python “Bring Out You Dead”


  56. wpa_ccc March 20, 2020 at 7:32 pm #


    UP +5.5% … Obama Q2 2014

    DOWN -24.0% … Trump Q2 2020

  57. akmofo March 20, 2020 at 9:57 pm #

    Even if 10% of the population got the virus and say 10% of that were to die, then we are at 1968 flu epidemic levels where 3 million people died. They did not shut down the world economy for that. There is another agenda here.

    The gov mafia is testing the public for compliance to its authority and credibility, and the public is stupid and credulous to oblige.

    • JohnAZ March 20, 2020 at 10:10 pm #

      It is eerie. Who is benefitting from what is going on here? It really seems like a huge overreaction by everyone. What is everyone so afraid of? Better question, why are people not as afraid of the flu as the Corona virus? Why don’t we shut down everything during the flu season max? What are we not being told about the effects of the coronavirus?

      Is this an attempt by the Deep State to take over control of the country, or at least the health care part? Is Trump’s seeming slowness to react his reluctance to knuckle under to the Deep State? His group and he have been disagreeing a lot in the last couple of days. Has he got another Deep State group trying to take over through another channel?

      Why the big reaction now?

      • akmofo March 20, 2020 at 10:27 pm #

        Why the big reaction now?

        It’s not only an overreaction, but it is a completely inept reaction. Viruses can live in water. Once the water supply is infected, well then, that’s it. You will get infected. All it takes is one infected person peeing in the toilet, and whole country will get infected.

        The idiocy of this whole nonsense is just staggering.

        • wpa_ccc March 20, 2020 at 10:36 pm #

          The COVID-19 virus has not been detected in drinking water. Conventional water treatment methods that use filtration and disinfection, such as those in most municipal drinking water systems, should remove or inactivate the virus that causes COVID-19.

          • akmofo March 20, 2020 at 10:39 pm #

            Nope. Conventional water treatment methods only work partially. You will always have a low grade infection.

          • wpa_ccc March 20, 2020 at 10:44 pm #

            You will always have a low grade infection.


            Building up herd immunity is the most effective way to stem Covid-19.

          • akmofo March 20, 2020 at 11:00 pm #

            There’s no such thing as herd immunity. There’s no such thing as a herd. That’s all 19th century applied “Darwinian” nonsense. I say Darwinian, because that’s really where this idiocy all ultimately originates. You’re like your cousin Alba, cycling propaganda nonsense without even giving it a thought.

          • Janos Skorenzy March 21, 2020 at 1:29 am #

            There is no such thing as an individual in an ordinary economic, social, political, or psychological sense. As the Ancient Greeks observed, A man alone is either an animal or a god. And human animals far outnumber human gods.

            In a more Monotheistic framework: the Church would only let mature monks become hermits or solitaries. Men who had fulfilled the social discipline and who were obedient to their superiors. Men who were ready to be alone with the Alone in other words.

            The Syrian Monk, Simon Stylites wanted to stand on top of a pillar as his form of asceticism. The Church ordered him to come down. Because he did so willingly and without resentment, they let him go back up again.

          • GreenAlba March 21, 2020 at 7:15 am #

            “There’s no such thing as herd immunity. ”

            Yes there is. It’s how we protect vulnerable children, in particular, from measles when they have a pre-existing condition that makes vaccination contraindicated for them.

            If enough (the vast bulk) are vaccinated, those vulnerable children (e.g. those undergoing cancer treatment which suppresses their immune system) don’t risk exposure to the extent they do among irresponsible dipstick anti-vaxxer communities.

            Such as the anti-science ultra-orthodox from your country who brought the infection to New York.

          • akmofo March 21, 2020 at 9:21 am #

            You are a pathetic troll, Mrs Green.

            Define a herd when people eat foods and drink liquids shipped from all over the world, when they have a million and one different diets and recipes thereof, when they are all of different genetic varieties, when there is constant travel to a million and one different points on earth, when there is constant mixing of new potentially infectious materials from all over the globe, including new genetic varieties of persons and animals.

            Now according to your idiotic theory, the “anti-science ultra-orthodox” community should be hardest hit. Where are your statistics on this? Where are your statistics that the “anti-science ultra-orthodox” has been hit at all? I certainly haven’t seen this Israel. In fact, just this minute I checked the map showing the towns supposedly affected by the current virus, and none of them are inhabited by said community. So where is your evidence?

            Where are those statistics in regards to any virus or ANY pathogenic exposure EVER affecting the “anti-science ultra-orthodox” in New York, or anywhere else?

            This is such bullshit, that there isn’t even anecdotal evidence for any of this nonsense. But what there is plenty of anecdotal evidence for, and I know of 2 serious injuries personally, is that people likely in their millions are getting injured and are even dying from exposure to vaccines, and that there is a deep coverup and silencing of said injuries and deaths by the gov mafia the media the medical establishment and the companies involved.

            You are bullshit artist, Mrs Green, and an extremely vacuous one at that. You have the most superficial kindergarden understanding of anything, and the minute someone challenges you, you come up empty. Go and do your own research, you scream.

            Now, show me the statistics!

            Of-course, you won’t, because you can’t, because per usual your conventional knowledge is based on empty propaganda which you are too stupid too lazy and too propagandized to challenge.

          • akmofo March 21, 2020 at 9:36 am #

            Btw, Mrs Green, don’t think I haven’t noticed your outrageous blood libel: The “ultra orthodox” infected New York. Your repulsive shallowness and complete lack of character reveals itself to be limitless. Pathetic.

          • GreenAlba March 21, 2020 at 7:31 pm #

            Mr Mofo

            I have tried to remain polite, despite your desperate insults, but you are an ignorant fool on whom I do not wish to waste any more of my valuable time.


            i didn’t comment on the orthodox community regarding Covod19 – as you may have noticed there is no vaccine for them to refuse.

            Now get thee behind me, fool.

          • akmofo March 22, 2020 at 12:08 am #

            Honestly, I am really starting to think you are retarded.

            So what happened to the infected kids? Anyone die? Anyone suffer any injury of any kind? I’ll tell you happened, NOTHING happened! I got the measles when I was 12, and a week later it was gone. The rash came and went and that was it. I don’t even remember feeling sick in any way when it happened. This is what we’re supposed to endure permanent liver and brain damage for because of multiple vaccine heavy metal poisonings?!

            Retards like you need to be locked up in an institution. You are too damn stupid to function in a free society. You’ve been vaxxed!

          • akmofo March 22, 2020 at 2:09 am #

            i didn’t comment on the orthodox community regarding Covod19 – as you may have noticed there is no vaccine for them to refuse.

            Yeah you did comment on the orthodox community, you retard liar. You asserted that they infected NYC with the corona virus brought over from Israel. Israel keeps a detailed map of the corona cases down to the street level of where these people are. I checked, and there are only 3 cases in the whole country where the orthodox live and they are all in old Jerusalem. An area which is a highly mixed area and touristy area. So I’m not even sure the 3 cases are Jews or even locals.

            Second thing, you ignorant idiot, you implied that vaccinated persons cannot be carriers for viruses. Well, I have news for you. Vaccinated or not, you are always a carrier of viruses, they are just made dormant by a healthy immune system, that’s all! And immunization happens naturally, regardless of the nonsense of vaccination! To blame unvaccinated persons for the possible ills of persons with a suppressed immune system, is not only idiotic, it is an outright outrageous and disgusting blood libel.

            You and your doctor husband are a complete embarrassment. You are both senile if you hold such views.

          • akmofo March 22, 2020 at 8:53 am #

            I’m still waiting for the statistics. Where are the statistics that the “Orthodox” community has been affected or hit in any way as result of exposure? Where are the numbers of deaths or injuries as a result of exposure to ANY pathogen at any time and at any place? Where is your evidence that they have been hit in any way?

            Where is the evidence, Mrs Green? Where are your facts, Mrs Green?!

          • GreenAlba March 22, 2020 at 9:02 am #

            The post and the linked article were about MEASLES, moron.

            And the point was about anti-vaxxers, who have caused deaths from measles to soar worldwide wherever their ignorant braying is listened to.

            I do not intend to engage with you any further, Mofo The Ignorant. You are not only ignorant of science, but you have the most ignorant manners on this board.

            A nasty little shit, in other words.

          • akmofo March 22, 2020 at 9:39 am #

            The conversation was about the corona virus. Your statement implied it was brought to NYC by the “orthodox” from Israel. There was no mention of the measles prior to and on the specific post you made that disgusting accusation.

            You are a disgusting slimy liar.

            And your link was supposed to show how that community was affected by not being vaccinated. But you are a complete idiot dolt and your article just proved the opposite, that no one was affected. Natural immunity took over and no one was injured as a result of the exposure to the measles.

            Again, you are a disgusting slimy liar and a complete idiot senile dolt!

          • GreenAlba March 22, 2020 at 3:44 pm #


            March 21, 2020 at 7:15 am #

            There’s no such thing as herd immunity. ”

            “Yes there is. It’s how we protect vulnerable children, in particular, from measles when they have a pre-existing condition that makes vaccination contraindicated for them.

            Note the rest of this post continues to refer to measles vaccination as an illustration of herd immunity. NO MENTION WAS MADE TO COVID19 IN THIS POST.].

            If enough (the vast bulk) are vaccinated, those vulnerable children (e.g. those undergoing cancer treatment which suppresses their immune system) don’t risk exposure to the extent they do among irresponsible dipstick anti-vaxxer communities.

            Such as the anti-science ultra-orthodox from your country who brought the infection to New York.”

            You are a sick and nasty individual. Please stay a barge pole’s distance from my posts. I do not wish even that level of toxic infection. Thank you.

        • JohnAZ March 20, 2020 at 10:41 pm #

          That is the mystery! The flu is not paid much attention to because there is nothing that can cure it, a vaccine sorta exists for it, and it is just “a fact of life”. It is not worth bothering with, and the world just keeps spinning as society just ignores it.

          Why should we shut down everything for a very comparable situation? There better be a really good reason here. Conspiracy ideas are going to really start up when the shock dies down. Is there an agenda going on, are the Elite pulling a power play? I guess time will tell.

          • Majella March 21, 2020 at 4:00 am #

            No, the ‘standard’ influenza is not paid much attention to because it’s death rate is minuscule compared to Covid19. It also is not as infectious.

          • Nightowl March 21, 2020 at 4:56 am #

            Based on actual stats it is a flu. The fear porn is snowballing however, and idiots are doing what idiots do.

            To be fair, however, something like this isn’t that hard to pull off with controlled media. And the media today is controlled on a global level.

            Nothing has demonstrated this better than 3.5 years of Orange Man Bad. German news, for example, pushes out the exact same talking points as US MSM sources, the only difference is that the delivery is adjusted as needed.

      • Majella March 21, 2020 at 3:57 am #

        ‘Is this an attempt by the deep state to take over control of the country?’

        Huh? JohnAZ – from all you’ve written before, I was led to understand that the deep state ALREADY controls the US, and has for some time. Please clarify your position?

        • JohnAZ March 21, 2020 at 10:45 am #

          In process, in process.

          We would be much further down the road if HRC had won.

          We would be much, much further down the road if Bernie had gotten in there.

          It is interesting to see the interplay of the Fed group and the governors. Amendment ten in action. However, this shows a weakness in this case. We need national unity in the required actions to stem the viral tide. It is not happening, only three states have gotten draconian to steal Janos’ word.

          I heard an MD this morning saying that isolation needs to be total. He had been in China in January and related that their isolation efforts had turned the corner.

          Then I hear Trump say that total isolation is not needed. There is definitely a schism occurring at top levels. As long as people do not 100% isolate, this will expand.

          As I have said, there is something eerie going on here.

  58. wpa_ccc March 20, 2020 at 10:21 pm #

    Republican “stimulus” plan

    “a single person who had little or no income tax liability last year gets a one-time payment of $600” Such a generous response to a pandemic!

    Woo-hoo! A whole one-time payment of $600. How will that stimulate the economy? Won’t even pay one month’s rent in lock down.

    The average monthly rent for an apartment in the United States is $1,471 U.S. dollars

    • JohnAZ March 20, 2020 at 10:45 pm #

      Per the prior discussion, why do we need a subsidy at all?

      Arizona has 75 cases, no deaths. Better than the flu! I hope the mystery is solved. What would happen if we just opened the doors. Why is Italy having the problems it is having? There are just not a lot of answers forthcoming.

      • Janos Skorenzy March 20, 2020 at 10:55 pm #

        Maybe there are more and less lethal strains, either naturally occurring or released.

        Best get draconian and knock it down quickly. China reported no new cases yesterday. Get draconian and save the economy. If we dither, we will suffer terribly in the long run. But will we get our rights back? We better be ready to demand them and make it a campaign issue.

        • K-Dog March 21, 2020 at 2:21 am #

          We live in interesting times and I’m finding I agree with you so much recently I have scared myself.

          • elysianfield March 21, 2020 at 11:33 am #

            ” I have scared myself.”

            Is that a typo? “scarred?”

        • Tate March 21, 2020 at 12:34 pm #

          Then there are those who say we should do nothing & let itself burn out in one steep peak of infectivity, even if hundreds of thousands are turned away from treatment. They say that the damage is going to be much greater to life & material prosperity by allowing the economy to grind to a halt.

          I say that it doesn’t matter at this point what we do. Even if we could all go back to business as usual on Monday with no danger of infection, there has been an irreparable injury inflicted to the public psyche which cannot be undone for perhaps a couple of generations. People are going to change their behavior in important ways. The age of mindless consumerism is over.

          • Tate March 21, 2020 at 12:48 pm #

            And you may respond, the Spanish flu was followed by the Jazz Age, the Roaring Twenties. Why won’t prosperity return just as quickly this time?

            It won’t be the same because today everyone is up to their eyeballs in debt. That’s for starters, individuals, businesses, & governments all swimming in debt. Also, we’re in a different part of the generational cycle (Strauss & Howe), thus a completely different demographic profile. Also, death was taken more casually then. People expected to die even in the prime of life. People lived life fully & there wasn’t this preoccupation with dying as there is today. Religion still had a prominent place in people’s lives. They relied more on their religion to see them through hard times.

            You godless generation, repent of your sins. Accept the risen Christ! His blessed balm will heal all your wounds.

          • Janos Skorenzy March 21, 2020 at 1:44 pm #

            Yes, Poe was wrong. There IS balm in Gilead.

      • wpa_ccc March 20, 2020 at 11:27 pm #

        why do we need a subsidy at all?

        Should money just all go one direction, toward the government? Or if the flow reverses, say to save an industry, should bailouts only go to multinational corporations? What about the 140 million people are poor or low wealth?

        What good does it do to bailout the auto industry or aerospace industry if most people don’t have any money to buy a car or buy an air ticket or pay rent? Subsidies stabilize the economy.

        Give subsidies to those who have the least income, not to those with $55,000 incomes (an average individual income in the USA is around $55,000). That will enable the low income to participate in the economy. In any case the money goes back to the haves from the have-nots.

        • K-Dog March 21, 2020 at 2:58 am #

          Yes, a UBI would rapidly be re-absorbed by an increase in rents and a rise in prices. Better if people who get free money have to be certified bozos of some kind.

          • Q. Shtik March 21, 2020 at 5:32 pm #

            have to be certified bozos of some kind. – K-Dog


            Sew a scarlet letter B on their shirt.

        • elysianfield March 21, 2020 at 11:37 am #

          “why do we need a subsidy at all?”


          Well, some of us need revolvers…good Smith and Wessons, not that Crap that Colt makes.

          BRH has been window shopping…my bet is he is looking at a model 57, maybe even cased.

      • K-Dog March 21, 2020 at 2:45 am #

        John seriously, a math lesson. There is a subtle thing about the exponential function. Understanding the exponential function as an acceleration is one thing but a lot of playing with it shows that it sort of always looks the same if you look at it through a zoom lens.

        That has to be as clear as mud but it explains that unless circumstances change the American infection rate matches the Italian rate by a lag of 10 days. Understanding this pattern I realized the WA state numbers tracked the numbers in the rest of the USA closely. I think they are deviating because WA state has been doing things to control the virus longer than the rest of the country and there are demographic reasons but I’ll check the map now.

        Deaths WA 83 and the rest of the nation has 177. It has separated more. I noticed the deviation yesterday and it grew but it had tracked pretty well for days. The reason is the doubling time of the infection is essentially constant region to region.

        The point is the infection in any area should reflect the same rate of rise once an infection becomes noticed. The difference is time when an infection is noticed. Every area was seeded at a different time but time since first infection gives an overall infection number with reasonable confidence.

        There is a definite time lag between when the infection is first noticed in an area and the first death occurrence in the area. The numbers always start out looking good.

        It seems convenient to pretend there are no answers forthcoming, and this is not on you. Rather the feeling you express reflects an atmosphere of despair. The truth is, all this stuff is known by epidemiologists who have run very sophisticated computer models with which to direct tuned in politicians.

        • K-Dog March 21, 2020 at 2:48 am #

          So if someone sent Trump a brain all those of us who also have one would like it very much.

        • JohnAZ March 21, 2020 at 10:49 am #

          Good analysis. The geometric progression has a top limit, when the vast majority has had the disease and immunity kicks in, the bug runs out of candidates. That is what probably will happen.

      • Majella March 21, 2020 at 4:02 am #

        Come back in 4 days, or eight, and update us all, JohnAZ

    • K-Dog March 21, 2020 at 3:00 am #

      So tell them if they don’t double down you are going to revolt. Then tell me how that goes down after you are done.

      • JohnAZ March 21, 2020 at 10:47 am #

        Ha, I hear you. Not much we can do but bitch! I am on isolation along with my wife. That is all I can personally do. Except maybe converse on this blog.

  59. EvelynV March 20, 2020 at 10:50 pm #

    OK, big news. A member of Pence’s staff has the black plague.

    But don’t worry kiddies, that person didn’t have contact with big cheese or little cheese.

    Wait! What about the rest of the story you lazy f&cking journalist wanks?!

    Did the infected person have contact with any other people who then had contact with the big boys? After how many degrees of separation do you run off and type up your pathetically inadequate news report?

    Hope lives on.

    • K-Dog March 21, 2020 at 2:20 am #

      So you are saying the staff member is no hero then. Hope lives on.

  60. snagglepuss March 20, 2020 at 11:18 pm #

    Grow up.

    ‘Perhaps our most significant conclusion is that mitigation is unlikely to be feasible without emergency surge capacity limits of the UK and US healthcare systems being exceeded many times over. In the most effective mitigation strategy examined, which leads to a single, relatively short epidemic (case isolation, household quarantine and social distancing of the elderly), the surge limits for both general ward and ICU beds would be exceeded by at least 8-fold under the more optimistic scenario for critical care requirements that we examined. In addition, even if all patients were able to be treated, we predict there would still be in the order of 250,000 deaths in GB, and 1.1-1.2 million in the US. ‘

    • wpa_ccc March 20, 2020 at 11:30 pm #

      “Grow up.”

      Coronavirus affects children less than elderly.

      Do not grow up. Let your inner child out.

  61. Janos Skorenzy March 21, 2020 at 1:13 am #

    Globalism is the Disease, by John Young

    Over 300,000 Chinese nationals were enrolled in U.S. colleges in the Fall of this school year. Last year, the number of newly added H-1B workers was 199,000, of whom half were from India and approximately 20,000 were from China. During the month preceding the administration’s half-hearted “travel ban,” over 100,000 people entered the United States from the environs of Wuhan.

    Now, we have churches closing to avoid spreading the Sars-2 virus. We have people being laid off left and right. Malls are shutting down. We have extended family who can’t see each other, businesses folding, untold thousands in quarantine and hospitals expecting to run out of critical supplies in mere days. The price of oil, which is what actually supports the American dollar, is plunging through the floor because demand for gas is low among people “sheltering in place.”

    Today out of curiosity, I looked at a box of masks I had purchased at a brick-and-mortar retailer about a year ago. Like 90% of our antibiotics, they were made in China. We have businesses, including biotechs whose work might be critical, shutting down entire sections due to a lack of raw materials because they aren’t made in this country. We have the national guard deployed near major cities in preparation for expected disorder.

    The price of globalism has, of course, been with us all along, it just hasn’t been as obvious to the average city dweller who works in a high rise office shuffling papers. But the reality is our manufacturing capacity for all manner of things ranging from nitrile gloves and masks to antibiotics and even the resistors required in nearly every electronic circuit have been outsourced to countries who, right now, aren’t shipping.

    But long before it reached this point, globalism was the logical extension of the Ponzi scheme of our centralized banking system – a Federal Reserve that is neither Federal (as in part of our government) nor a Reserve. Our Federal Reserve system has two features that made globalism inevitable. The first is that it is predicated on constant growth, which means once growth opportunity was exhausted within the United States it required growth without limits throughout the world. The second is that it induces price inflation both through injection of money and through the use of leverage.

    As a result, wages even for professionals outside the “financial sector” have been flat for 30 years, and wages for everyone else have literally fallen to such a degree that the lifestyle that could once be afforded by one person now requires two people working non-stop. Well-qualified college graduates who should be starting families are living at home with their parents because their wages can’t match the cost of living.

    But it is worse than even that. With globalism and constant offshoring and competition from foreign labor even within our borders, people have been increasingly economically insecure, with most just two paychecks from bankruptcy or eviction.

    And this is why, with many governors declaring states of emergency, they have issued orders prohibiting evictions or turning off the electricity for non-payment. People are so close to the edge that they are in danger of homelessness within two weeks of being laid off. That, also, is a product of globalism.

    While globalism has granted a handful of people unbelievable wealth, it has come at the expense of creating an America where most cannot even feed themselves if they miss a paycheck.

    With the Covid-19 illness, the fact America has been turned into a skeleton has been laid bare. In order for hospitals to have key supplies, they are coming from stockpiles on military bases, and even then it will not be enough. Because we have no domestic manufacturing capacity for these items. Domestic manufacture is limited to only the most expensive and specialized of items. Anything that doesn’t net windfall profits is made on the other side of an ocean.

    If you weren’t fortunate enough to buy bleach or toilet paper just before the panic hit, good luck finding it. If you ordered some masks online so you can avoid infecting loved ones if you get sick, good luck because if you find them at all, they are coming from China. Slowly.

    So what is the alternative to globalism? Nationalism.

    The problem with nationalism is not, as its detractors claim, that it has any number of moral deficiencies. Rather, the problem with nationalism is that it prioritizes the well-being of the people of the country rather than a tiny minority who parasitically suck the nation dry.

    The time when America gained its greatest strength and influence throughout the world, as Pat Buchanan has thoroughly and repeatedly documented, was also the time when we vigorously protected our domestic industries and our workers through tariffs and sometimes outright import prohibitions.

    Once we stopped doing that, we increasingly replaced the real wealth of this country with a pyramid of increasingly Byzantine paperwork derivatives and a fake consumer-driven service and throwaway economy based on imports. This can chug along for a long time, but if something goes just a wee bit awry, the results we are now seeing become unavoidable.

    Nationalism does not mean that foreign nationals can never come to America. It simply means that they come as tourists or collaborators in limited numbers, and return home when they are done. It means that foreign nationals don’t crowd out our native population for top educational opportunities. It means they don’t get brought in to depress our wages. And they don’t come here by the hundreds of thousands … potentially spreading a virus.

    Nationalism does not mean that you could never buy an imported product. But it means that we would retain the ability to do our own manufacturing of anything of importance, and that the people employed here doing that would be paid enough to raise a family.

    We are living in an extraordinary time, a time we will remember as a turning point. And I will address the opportunities this gives us later.

    But for now, let me just leave you with this: Covid-19 is merely a symptom. Globalism is the true disease, and Nationalism is the cure.

    JS: Akmo says we need to reopen out borders immediately. Why? Why does he care so much? What’s in it for him? Could he be one of this small selfish group that Mr Young mentions – or related to them somehow?

    • K-Dog March 21, 2020 at 2:18 am #

      Janos, fascinating. I really enjoyed it until it got to Nationalism. Then I still liked it but the taste was tainted with the realization that the analysis had been hijacked to foster a self-serving agenda. What had been shaping up to be a subtly shaded portrait by a great master digressed into a cartoon rendition using only a smattering of colors.

      I did make it all the way through. You had better give me that.

      • Janos Skorenzy March 21, 2020 at 3:03 am #

        Explain please – if you can. You are against open borders but against the Nation?

        You are for communities only? What is their guarantor? Or Who? Striders and the Rangers protected Bree and the Shire – even thought were despised as just dirty weirdos or “just rangers”. But after he was unveiled and on the eve of his coronation, Barliman said to Aragorn, This is all very well, but we want to be left alone. Aragorn replied, “You will be”. These are some of the most beautiful words in a very beautiful book full of such words. They are quintessentially Anglo-Saxon. The individual is part of something greater, but his individuality is preserved. The Community is part of something bigger (it must be), but it is to be valued and preserved in itself as well. Or do you believe Hillary’s villages to be anything but a localization of the Feds or better yet in their book, World Control a la Mustapha Mond?

        Orcs come in many forms. As do degraded men. Both serve the Dark Lord as do Trolls, Balrogs, Dark Elves, Greedy Dwarves, etc. In earlier Ages, even the Elves of Light were seduced by Sauron when he could still assume a beautiful form. Perhaps this is what is happening to you, eh? Look down: are you wearing sandals perhaps? Are your feet hairy? Did you comb them today? But as a human, you’re not supposed to have hairy feet. What is going on with you? How can you be against America, your Nation and the only Home you will ever have? The real America that is, not the imitation.

      • ellipsis March 21, 2020 at 7:18 am #

        Not following either, K-Dog. Janos has been known to rant from time to time, sure, but this post is well reasoned and quite moderate by any standard.

        • malthuss March 21, 2020 at 11:02 am #

          Let the chow bark.

      • Tate March 21, 2020 at 1:08 pm #

        Nationalism is just an “ism.” Obviously, you have something in mind objectionable about it, but what? America has been on a self-destructive course these last 60 years.

  62. Janos Skorenzy March 21, 2020 at 1:23 am #


    Well that answers that question. The Mexican border is to remain open. Open borders trumps national security and national health. The Globalists remain firmly in charge. They control Trump or he is one of them. Simple as that.

    • K-Dog March 21, 2020 at 2:06 am #

      There you go falling for the bait and switch again. The Panopticon arrived long ago but circumstances needed to align before proper introductions could be made. Now it is time to smile.

      • Janos Skorenzy March 21, 2020 at 3:06 am #

        America is on the rocks and you are worrying about Mexicans. How fucking crazy is that?

        Your crashed your supertanker and you are the last man aboard. The Captain of beached ship.

  63. Janos Skorenzy March 21, 2020 at 1:52 am #


    Who is right here? Trump is. The People need hope. The drug is not poisonous and if it can help why not? Let the very sick sign waivers or something so they or their families can’t sue. And of course, their choice as to whether they want to try or not.

    We’re in the Crisis. We don’t have time for tests – even fast tracked ones. Treating the seriously ill will be the Test, for those who agree to it.

    A parallel: Once during the Vietnam war, a pilot came back with a bullet hole in one of his wings. He was supposed to go out again later that day for more bombing but his plane was compromised. So he took out his sidearm and put a bullet thru the other wing in exactly the same place to “even it out”. His superiors agreed and he went out on the scheduled run.

    He got a medal for so shooting his plane – which he would have been court martialed for if he had done it in any other context or at any other time.

    • K-Dog March 21, 2020 at 2:02 am #

      If Trump was the captain of a supertanker at least we know he would not put it on the rocks. He does not drink.

      • capt spaulding March 21, 2020 at 8:58 am #

        If I remember rightly, Hitler didn’t drink either. He was also a vegetarian. He only had one bad habit. Killing Jews, but I guess nobody’s perfect.

        • malthuss March 21, 2020 at 11:04 am #

          Canard. He did not ‘just kill Jews’–he killed all kinds.
          Its the Jews that want your canard believed.

        • Tate March 21, 2020 at 1:11 pm #

          He identified them with the communists & he hated communists.

        • Laundromat Blues March 21, 2020 at 3:49 pm #

          He was a dog lover. Couldn’t be that bad.

          • Janos Skorenzy March 21, 2020 at 5:58 pm #

            Indeed. He loved all animals, that’s why he was a vegetarian. He explained his choice once to the German people and then let it lay. He knew that centuries or ages would have to pass before the average person would attain his evolutionary level. But he would have guided Germany and the West in general to make it easier and quicker. He was going to try and force the average German to give up his beer and sausage. But he would raise up a Pure Elite to stand as an example of something higher to stand before them as exemplars.

          • hmuller March 21, 2020 at 7:06 pm #

            They say Martin Luther loved his beer and sausages and consequently could never stop farting. A better role model for Germans in my opinion.

    • EvelynV March 21, 2020 at 7:00 am #


      Hope is the greatest falsifier of the truth.

      However, since I’m understanding that you are willing to try anything on hope alone I have it on good word that if you swallow a whole tablespoon of horseradish after swishing it around in your mouth for at least one minute, your concerns about coronavirus will go away.

      I haven’t tried it yet because I am hardcore social distance but let us know how it works for you.

      • benr March 21, 2020 at 10:17 am #

        That sounds like fun I will give it try.

      • Laundromat Blues March 21, 2020 at 3:48 pm #

        Hope and the lottery are the opiate of the masses.

  64. toktomi March 21, 2020 at 3:44 am #

    I wuz just thinkun. What would give with a world that had more government officials than there were people to govern?

    Do ya suppose all those errand boys that get all the dirty work done and have enough grade to qualify for an exit visa believe that they’re getting out of this with their dental fillings intact?

    So, I didn’t read any of y’all’s comments. Martian landscape. Anybody startin’ to figure out what the end of the world is going to look like? Here we go, ladies and gentlebeggers.


  65. tucsonspur March 21, 2020 at 4:05 am #

    Skiing the Covid crud:


    “What would happen if the epidemic hit marginalized communities on the outskirts of Mexico City, where some lack running water and many live several to a room and wouldn’t have the space to self-quarantine? What would happen if it hit a rural village in Oaxaca, hours from the nearest hospital?

    Until today, coronavirus in Mexico has been a problem for the elites,” wrote journalist Luis Manuel Arellano on Twitter. “Most infected people have financial solvency and good income. When we enter [the next phase], the epidemic will be something else — widespread and massive.”

    • ellipsis March 21, 2020 at 7:14 am #

      The poorest of the poor will grin and bear it with humility and patience like they always do. Likewise, the elite will pay them no mind whatsoever in their hour of suffering just like they always do.

      • malthuss March 21, 2020 at 11:05 am #

        Grin? some will die. I think its man made. Not from bat soup.

        • BackRowHeckler March 21, 2020 at 11:49 am #

          What about the people living on the streets of LA, Malthus.

          Are those pavement encampments still there?

          Those people are already unwell, for the most part. I’ve read all kinds of infectious diseases extant in that homeless population.

          What can be done, if anything?

          And why has the city let that situation fester for so long?


          • EvelynV March 21, 2020 at 1:43 pm #

            BRH – what is the solution for it?

            The sociopath in me says people living in blue tarps fouling the landscape and piling up feces, trash, and drug paraphernalia all around their sites should be awarded prolonged vacations in specially constructed resort locations established in places far away from the toiling masses.

            A fervent effort made to distinguish the destitute good guys from the shiftless skunks and house them accordingly.

            Of course that would never work in todays world, even though it would be far less draconian than what we did to my ancestors and later to the Japanese.

            You white fuckers made your beds and now you will be sleeping in them. Perhaps the long sleep.

          • malthuss March 21, 2020 at 8:42 pm #

            what about the people living on the streets and alleys withing 5 blocks of me? I cant get trespassers removed, as I dont live on the properties.

          • BackRowHeckler March 21, 2020 at 11:21 pm #

            One of the ironies of the homeless situation in west coast cities is, in the name of humanity, the more services that are provided, the more homeless people are attracted from thru out the whole entire country.The population gets larger, not smaller

            The weather is so good year round in LA and San Diego if you are going to be homeless, you could find worse places to be homeless in,

            Evelyn, there are all kinds of people living on the streets of LA, not just white people. As a matter of fact, historically LA was a destination for down and out native Americans, many of whom were alcoholic. Jim Thorpe, who lived in LA and appeared in a few movies, talks about it in his autobiography.


  66. Janos Skorenzy March 21, 2020 at 4:26 am #

    Renaud – the important Camus. Well known queer author and friend of Barthes and other French modernists, he had an epiphany and went White Nationalist when writing a tour guide. He suddenly realized that even small villages like the one he was in were changing ethnically. Thus he became the Theorist of the Great Replacement as an idea and as a meme. The chant, You will not replace us, comes from him.

    From the wiki:

    On democracy and multiculturalism
    Camus sees democracy as a degradation of high culture and favors a system whereby the elite are guardians of the culture, thus opposing multiculturalism.[37]

    On white nationalist terrorism
    Camus has repeatedly said that he condemns the violent attacks and terrorism committed which echo his ideas,[38][39] dismissing them as “Occupier’s [i.e. immigrant’s] practices.”[40] However, his use of strong terms like “colonization” and “Occupiers”[d] to label non-European immigrants and their children,[38][41] has been described as implicit calls to violence.[42]

    I therefore believe that we are entering into an absolute necessity of a struggle that will no longer be political, […] for which there are two main sources of inspiration: that of the Resistance and that of anti-colonial struggles. We are under occupation—I am absolutely not afraid of the word, I often speak of the second occupation. […] We also follow the tradition of all anti-colonial struggles. […] Algeria, which has become independent, has considered that it would not really be independent without the departure of the settlers […] I also believe that there will be no liberation of the territory, without the departure of the occupier or colonization, i. e. without remigration. All the major texts in the fight against decolonization apply admirably to France, in particular those of Frantz Fanon. […] Faced with this, I propose open resistance, that is, to revolt.

    —?Renaud Camus. Speech of the 10 years of Riposte Laïque, 2 December 2017.
    Historians Nicolas Bancel and Pascal Blanchard, along with sociologist Ahmed Boubeker, state that “the announcement of a civil war is implicit in the theory of the ‘great replacement’ […] This thesis is extreme—and so simplistic that it can be understood by anyone—because it validates a racial definition of the nation.”[43] In 2014, Camus was fined 4,000€ in Paris for referring to some Muslims as “hooligans” and that they were “the armed wing of a group intent on conquering French territory,” a case which he appealed.[6]

    Camus’ tract for his 2014 “day of anger” manifestation against the “great replacement”: “No to the change of people and of civilization, no to antisemitism”
    While he denies stigmatizing all Muslims, Camus believes in an unbroken line between petty crime and Islamic terrorism: “all the terrorists are known by the police, not for terrorist acts or for religious extremism, but by petty larceny and bank attacks, or even by very small things like attacking old ladies in suburban trains, or conflicts between neighbours,”[6] adding in another speech: “we are talking about the fight against terrorism: in my opinion there are no terrorists, not a single one. There are occupants who […] kill a few hostages from time to time to better remind us who the master is.”[18]

    • Janos Skorenzy March 21, 2020 at 4:31 am #

      Allowing for his restraint as an established intellectual operating behind enemy lines, I agree and endorse his views 100%.

      White Nationalism tends to be quite a bit “cooler” over there I must admit. Morrissey, another example. And never forget the Martyr, Pim Fortuyn.

  67. tucsonspur March 21, 2020 at 5:37 am #

    Is a national collapse on the way? Will there be martial law?

    “Finally, there is a question of agenda and motive behind the rising call for martial law-like measures over the pandemic. For example, Champaign, Illinois mayor Deborah Frank Feinen has given herself executive powers in response to the coronavirus infection that are outright dictatorial and Soviet in their violations. Among other things, she demands the power to enforce curfews, ban public gatherings, ban alcohol, ban or confiscate firearms, as well as confiscate supplies from any citizen if those supplies are “needed for emergency response”.

    “Also, understand that Covid-19 is only part of the problem. The bigger crisis is in the economy itself; a collapse has been baked into this cake for years now, and the virus has little to do with it. Leftist kids are going around calling this pandemic the “boomer remover”, almost cheering the assumption that mostly older and conservative Americans will die from this. I have to break it to them that during the economic collapse that is inevitably coming they will have to wipe the snot from their noses and put on their big-boy diapers otherwise they aren’t going to survive either; most of them have no discernible skills and no preparations to speak of. They are essentially useless.”

    Read it all here:


    A prelude to what I said is coming; the time of Rebels and Tyrants.

    • elysianfield March 21, 2020 at 11:45 am #

      “Is a national collapse on the way? Will there be martial law?”


      …Maybe. Probably.

      I would predict that “National Collapse” is not a necessary requirement to see “Martial Law”.

  68. tucsonspur March 21, 2020 at 5:43 am #

    And in case you missed it:

    “Understand also that the Champaign mayor is not the only official calling for these types of actions. From New York to LA and beyond, those of us who are paying attention have noticed a swift and quiet implementation of orders that are whittling down American freedoms. Do not expect Donald Trump to operate differently, either. Expect him to initiate martial law measures (though he may not call in “martial law”) in the next few months. Expect him to activate Executive Order 13603, which was created by Barack Obama in 2012 and allows the federal government to appropriate everything from land to food to firearms in the event of a national emergency. This is going to happen. Count on it.”

    • BackRowHeckler March 21, 2020 at 6:07 am #

      Everything in Ct being closed except for ‘essential services’. Essential services is broadly defined because an in laws family owns a hardware store and the store is staying open. The newspaper I work for will continue to operate, so I’ll still be driving into Hartford 3 nights per week. Interestingly enough, package stores are not only (not closing), some are expanding their hours.

      I don’t really have any way to judge it — having no background in this sort of thing — but does anyone here think things have gone a bit overboard? Has a mass panic set in, not with the people, but with the people in charge?


      • ellipsis March 21, 2020 at 7:10 am #

        NY is evidently keeping their liquor stores open too, so no need to panic just yet. No need to even comment on the irony of that.

        • malthuss March 21, 2020 at 8:43 pm #

          well ‘it’ does disinfect.
          No rubbing alcohol available at 3 stores near me.

    • elysianfield March 21, 2020 at 11:47 am #

      “activate Executive Order 13603, which was created by Barack Obama in 2012 and allows the federal government to appropriate everything from land to food to firearms in the event of a national emergency. This is going to happen. Count on it.”

      Those Commie Socialist Bastards had better keep their hands off my Social Security….

  69. Theedrich March 21, 2020 at 6:02 am #

    The “cure” is worse than the disease. Dr. David L. Katz, founding director of the Yale-Griffin Prevention Research Center, has pointed out in a Friday, 2020 March 20 ??? ???? ????? op-ed that

    “The data from South Korea, where tracking the coronavirus has been by far the best to date, indicate that as much as 99 percent of active cases in the general population are “mild” and do not require specific medical treatment. The small percentage of cases that do require such services are highly concentrated among those age 60 and older, and further so the older people are. Other things being equal, those over age 70 appear at three times the mortality risk as those age 60 to 69, and those over age 80 at nearly twice the mortality risk of those age 70 to 79.

    “These conclusions are corroborated by the data from Wuhan, China, which show a higher death rate, but an almost identical distribution. The higher death rate in China may be real, but is perhaps a result of less widespread testing. South Korea promptly, and uniquely, started testing the apparently healthy population at large, finding the mild and asymptomatic cases of Covid-19 other countries are overlooking. The experience of the Diamond Princess cruise ship, which houses a contained, older population, proves the point. The death rate among that insular and uniformly exposed population is roughly 1 percent.

    “The clustering of complications and death from Covid-19 among the elderly and chronically ill, but not children (there have been only very rare deaths in children), suggests that we could achieve the crucial goals of social distancing —saving lives and not overwhelming our medical system — by preferentially protecting the medically frail and those over age 60, and in particular those over 70 and 80, from exposure.”

    “I am deeply concerned that the social, economic and public health consequences of this near total meltdown of normal life — schools and businesses closed, gatherings banned — will be long lasting and calamitous, possibly graver than the direct toll of the virus itself.”

    Added to this, the Wall Street Journal sums up the situation with the statement that “If this government-ordered shutdown continues for much more than another week or two, the human cost of job losses and bankruptcies will exceed what most Americans imagine.” In short, we are looking economic death in the face.

    Meanwhile, the world rulers in Washington D.C. and other citadels pursue their self-centered goals behind the curtain. Note:

    (1) The southern border kept wide open for disease-bearers and other trash to enter. “Sanctuary cities” are more important.
    (2) Mega-companies whining for bailouts: Example: Nikki Haley, UN ambassador and ex-South Carolina governor, has just quit Boeing board of directors in protest against this kind of demand by the company.
    (3) At least four Congresspeople (Senator Richard Burr, Senator Kelly Loeffler, Senator Dianne Feinstein, Senator Jim Inhofe) with foreknowledge of COVID-19 engaged in insider trading to make big bux.
    We need no more proof to see that American “democracy” is a sham and a ripoff operation of bribery and theft. The citizenry is used as a cash cow to delude and from which to steal every last penny. It now turns out that the globalist elites are using the inflated threat of a pandemic to destroy Western civilization by suicide while the oligarchs and high politicoes ride high above the chaos.

    • ellipsis March 21, 2020 at 7:08 am #