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BEIRUT, Lebanon — Days after President Trump said he wanted to pull the United States out of Syria, Syrian forces hit a suburb of Damascus with bombs that rescue workers said unleashed toxic gas.
Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me, the old saying goes. So, tread carefully through the minefields of propaganda laid for the credulous in such low organs as The New York Times. There are excellent reasons to suppose that the American Deep State wishes strenuously to keep meddling all around the Middle East. The record so far shows that the blunt instruments of US strategic policy produce a consistent result: failed states.
Syria was well on its way to that sorry condition — prompted by an inflow of Jihadi maniacs fleeing our previous nation un-building experiment in Iraq — when the Russians stepped in with an arrantly contrary idea: to support the Syrian government. Of course, the Russians had ulterior motives: a naval base on the Mediterranean, expanded influence in the region, and a Gazprom concession to develop and manage large natural gas fields near the Syrian city of Homs, for export to Europe. The latter would have competed with America’s client state, Qatar, a leading gas exporter to Europe.
But the US objected to supporting the government of Bashar al-Assad, as it had previously with Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi, as well as Russia’s presence there in the first place. So, the US cultivated anti-government forces in the Syrian civil war, a hodgepodge of Islamic psychopaths variously known as ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant), Daesh, al-Qaeda, al-Nusra, Ansar al-Din, Jaysh al-Sunna, Nour al-Din al-Zenki, and what-have-you.
As it happened, US policy in Syria after 2013 became an exercise in waffling. It was clear that our support for the forces of Jihad against Assad was turning major Syrian cities into rubble-fields, with masses of civilians caught in the middle and ground up like so much dog food. President Barack Obama famously drew a line-in-the-sand on the use of chemical weapons. It was well-known that the Syrian army had stockpiles of chemical poisons. But the US also knew that our Jihadi consorts had plenty of their own. Incidents of chemical atrocities were carried out by… somebody… it was never altogether clear or proven… and Mr. Obama’s line-in-the-sand disappeared under dust-storms of equivocation.
Finally, a joint mission of the United Nations Human Rights Commission (UNHRC) and the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) was called in to supervise the destruction of the Syrian government’s chemical weapons, and certified it as accomplished in late 2014. Yet, poison gas incidents continued — most notoriously in 2017 when President Donald Trump responded to one with a sortie of cruise missiles against a vacant Syrian government airfield. And now another incident in the Damascus suburb of Douma has provoked Mr. Trump to tweetstormed threats of retaliatory violence, just days after he proposed a swift withdrawal from that vexing corner of the world.
Surely by now the American public has developed some immunity to claims of nefarious doings in foreign lands (“weapons of mass destruction,” and all). The operative sentence in that New York Times report is “…Syrian forces hit a suburb of Damascus with bombs that rescue workers said unleashed toxic gas.” Yeah, well, how clear is it that the toxic gas was contained in the bombs, or rather that the bombs dropped by the Syrian military blew up a chemical weapon depot controlled by anti-government Jihadis? Does that hodgepodge of maniacs show any respect for the UN, or the Geneva Convention, or any other agency of international law? As in many previous such incidents, we don’t know who was responsible — though there is plenty of reason to believe that parties within the US establishment are against Mr. Trump’s idea of getting the hell out of that place, and might cook up a convenient reason to prevent it.
Lastly, how is it in Bashar al-Assad’s interests to provoke a fresh international uproar against him and his regime? I’d say it is not the least in his interest, since he is on the verge of putting an end to the awful conflict. He may not be a model of rectitude by Western standards, but he’s not a mental defective. And he has very able Russian support advising him in what has been so far a long and difficult effort to prevent his state from failing — or being failed for him.
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“And he has very able Russian support advising him in what has been so far a long and difficult effort to prevent his state from failing — or being failed for him.”
This conclusion makes it clear just why Kunstler needed to go through such machinations to discredit his Deep State Concept.
Wait so you think the deep state does NOT exist? You are either a disinfo agent, or very stupid.
Regardless, WW3 looks like it is kicking off as planned. Inevitably it will be some ‘human rights violation’ or fake chemical weapon attack that gets us going.
What has this country become…
“You are either a disinfo agent, or very stupid.”
You argument here is kinda’ weak.
You evidence nonexistent.
No argument, just an assertion. You were the one to suggest the deep state doesnt exist, where is YOUR proof?
They do things like saying there is no deep state one minute to insisting there is in another. They don’t necessarily want to change your opinion as much as confuse you into inactivity.
@FallenHero,
I replied to your request, but as a result of K-Dog’s complaints to Kunstler that I post to much, it got deleted.
I apologize because I normally respond to everyone who replies to me. Just common courtesy.
So there is no personal respect implied, just K-Dog’s desire to shut me down.
Yah, go ahead prove a negative.
@FallenHero
Arguing with that guy is like wrestling a pig in the mud; sooner or later, you realize that the pig is enjoying it.
He could probably start a fight in an empty house.
Check his thread over today and tomorrow, you’ll see what I mean. His presence here is a testament to Mr. Kunstler’s sense of fairness; not to mention charity and compassion.
dannyboy sez,
“I apologize because I normally respond to everyone who replies to me. Just common courtesy.”
Now what do you suppose the obverse of this protestation/statement would be? I assure you, it’s a brickbat I’ve been hit with by another over-bloviator on this blog. The tenor is too reminiscent to be co-incidental or accidental.
Well Fallen Hero, those of us who lived through 22 Nov 63 and who then went on to service in the US military and then in government have had a lifetime of proofs of what is and who does what. However, anything offered that is offered as proof of this can easily be discredited by those who choose to not believe so there is no need to even try talk to them. For me, even before I started my adult life,the simple fact that Allen Dulles blew the Bay of Pigs fiasco, got fired by JFK, worked with organized crime assassins to kill Castro and then JFK gets assassinated and Allen Dulles gets put in charge of the investigation, well really, you have to be brain dead to not put that one together simply based on those known facts alone.
The US military and every military throughout the course of time, utilizes deception and murder as it first weapons, we trained extensively in this (Trojan Horse anyone or was that faked too).
The actual covert agencies of this nation have utilized murder, government overthrow, and aided internal insurrections as a living. Those who lack the ability to consider that the spooks may have developed an insensitivity for the invisible borders that are between America and the rest of the planet, well they choose to be ignorant, I assure you. You must always keep in mind that there are those who are employed by the murderers, those that profit from the murderers, and far too many that refuse to consider that the murders are being done because they live the high life because of them. There are also many that refuse to accept the reality of what the spies, thieves, and murderers do for a living because they project their own, murder-free lives upon the rest of the World. Apparently Denial is more than a river that flows through Egypt.
Very eloquent Walter!
Thanks for the reality check, Walter.
As you say, most cling to the myth of America’s irrefutable moral rectitude; it’s far more comforting than picturing the face of amoral worshipers of Mammon pulling the levers of power and murdering millions in the process. Distasteful, doncha know.
And do you not find it to be very vile and disconcerting that the national public, the same one that has denounced all morality has the gall to profess that the USA still occupies some sort of “moral high ground” on the World Stage”? I think I am going to establish myself a bucket list and the first thing on it will be to find a nice brick wall somewhere and bang my head against it repeatedly until the pain stops. Or maybe I’ll just do a shot with my next beer…..yeah, that’s better – Zu Heim!
Walter,
Yes, I find it to be the essence of a braying hypocrisy induced by willful ignorance and belligerent denial. An uninformed community is not worth the name, I’m afraid.
…And lest we forget, the convivial enjoyment of intoxicants (in moderation, to be sure) is a credit to any society of simple, welcome pleasantries! 🙂 Prosit!
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.” -Upton Sinclair
I would add to to that statement, “his salary or identity.” I can’t tell you how many people I have engaged with (mostly lefties, but not always) who refuse to consider any facts of evidence that don’t fit in with their preconceived notion of what is and isn’t. Very frustrating. Especially with the lefties, are they supposed to be the open minded ones? I guess that’s only true when it comes to sodomy.
Yet they support such people and would see more of them, apparently, thus their programs of “sex ed”.
@Dannyboy
My point is that lefties embrace things like gay marriage as a civil rights issue, but refuse to embrace the civil rights of the religious baker who doesn’t want to participate in their wedding.
FarmerJoe
Regarding the civil rights of the religious baker, here’s an example of a lefty who supports those civil rights:
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2016/10/24/christian-bakers-in-belfast-lose-gay-cake-appeal/
Peter Tatchell is not only a ‘lefty’, he is (in the UK) a very well known gay activist from when gay rights were not a thing.
“…Peter Tatchell said: “This verdict is a defeat for freedom of expression. As well as meaning that Ashers can be legally forced to aid the promotion of same-sex marriage, it also implies that gay bakers could be forced by law to decorate cakes with homophobic slogans.”
I’d leave the baker be as well. Let his other customers decide on the future of his business by supporting it or not.
However, I’d like to propose a little experiment with the bakers in question over your way. Send Donald Trump to their shop to order an anniversary cake for Melania and himself. Now, Donald is widely known to be such an upholder of the institution of matrimony that he’s signed up for it three separate times without even being widowed. Not only that but he’s equally widely known to have cheated on all three of his wives. So if the baker turns down his order, I’ll accept that the baker just has religious principles. If Donald gets his cake, your baker is just a bigot. Fair’s fair.
Green Alba,
Good point about the UK gay activist. Clearly there are exceptions.
I don’t think you have a good point with Trump, though. I would guess he’s rich enough to hire someone else to run his errands. Also, he’s not a mind reader. How is the baker supposed to know if his customer is a cheater?
I would agree that he is a bigot if, say, he refused the gay patron a breakfast croissant or refused to make him a generic birthday cake. However, that is not what is being discussed and his right to religious liberty is protected by the constitution.
Farmer Joe
I’m happy for his religious liberty to be protected. I don’t know how far this stuff goes, though. People being rejected by guest houses? That’s happened too and they were just looking for somewhere to stay, not to proselytise.
Re Trump, the example was obviously hypothetical, but anyone getting a Trump order of this kind would know where it came from and how he behaves.
If religious liberty not to make a cake that ‘supports’ gay marriage (!!) is protected, I’m not sure how that squares with the other liberties I hear about on here, which are defended by those who don’t like ‘hate speech’ to be restricted. So if, as Peter Tatchell hypothesises, a baker is asked to write bigoted messages on a cake, does s/he have the right to refuse as well? One would hope the judgement would be even handed.
Green Alba,
As I understand it hate speech is not protected by the first amendnent.
Pleased to hear it, Farmer Joe. And you also now know that all ‘lefties’ don’t always think what you assume they think 🙂 .
Even the ones who are used to being called ‘faggots’ by their tormentors.
Green Alba,
Perhaps I didn’t express my thought clearly enough. I certainly know better than to make a blanket statement about all people in whatever group; there are always outliers. I was simply stating that I have run into a mentality, particularly among lefties, but not always, as I stated, that goes something like, “My mind is made up and facts dont matter.” I attribute this mindset to a devotion to a group identity, ie Democrat. It is not based on facts, but tribalism, and any information which negates the tribal identity is ignored or written off. Again this happens on the right too, I’m sure, but living near Seattle, as I do, I encounter it often with the left, because that is what I am exposed to most. I hope this clears things up.
Walter,
You describe the covert agencies’ activities as if this were a bad thing. Discounting factors of efficiency and availability, who’s nation’s covert agencies do not?
Your premise is correct, but it is the way things are, and the way things have always been.
Well elisianfield, these agencies DO many, many bad things and I for one have a very specific moral obligation to denounce murder for any and every reason including profit. Can truth, decency and honesty be the rules that guide our political/economic world? Heck, I am not so stupid to think so, I simply cannot give it my blessing. What is the alternative? I have NO idea, but what I do instead is place my Faith in a Creator that can allow me to get through my existence here without taking part in the evils that men do upon one another.
I’m not sure Walter even believes Whites have the right to their own nations just like everyone else. Somehow, he may disregard the Old Testament and its talks of nations, and endorse the radical individualism that thing thinks any person has the right to go anywhere.
Or perhaps he thinks only the so called Chosen have the right to have a Nation.
I am not sure about any man-given rights Janos for I have little faith in mankind after my 64 years of studying and observing the many serious flaws of the species. Just as Sargent Kilrain suggested, I take men one at a time and do my best to follow the example set for me by my Master. God given rights are paramount and I am not sure how they apply to specific peoples establishing specific “nations”. However I firmly believe that established nations have not only a right, but a duty to defend themselves from attack from without and from within. Unfortunately for America we have been sold out by the treacherous dogs that we have “elected” for their own sport and profit. How do we go about correcting that you might ask? Well violence is not one way IMHO and since there are no others viable alternatives, again, IMHO, I think it is best if we just accept the judgment that appears to be upon us. Save yourself, it is all I can recommend.
Violence is not an option? Then there would be no America at all, what to speak of Israel or any other nation.
You are a spiritual Menonite, Amish, or Quaker. The first two see themselves as spiritual orders – and pray for the Civil Authorities whom they know they depend on. The Quakers have always had an adversarial relationship with others – thinking that everyone should become pacifists like they are, which is simply absurd.
Christ Himself used violence against the moneychangers. How on Earth did you forget that? I’m afraid you are leaning in a Quakerish direction.
Your point is valid Janos, but from one who was schooled in the finest warfare institution available at the time, who has studied in great detail the wars of the past, and could even put up one heck of a fight and surround myself with fallen foes to this day, I just don’t see the point. Wars have solved nothing and while there are periods of relative peace between wars, at least for those who come out “on top”, the slow decay of those that maintain their power through violence always leads to bigger and badder wars. Besides, in this day and age of total surveillance, any party planning covert violence against a standing government would be quickly rounded up by spooks in a white van and would then disappear. Better to be a victim than a “terrorist” IMHO.
That’s fine Walter – as a personal choice. In Hindu terms, you are at the stage of “Vanaprastha” or retirement into the forest. Your wife can come to serve you, but that’s it. You are done with Work and the World for the most part. The last stage is sannyas or complete renounciation.
The idea of all things are for all people and one size fits all morality are very modern and fallacious ideas.
Gee wiz JS, for a man so often maligned, you can surely come up with wisdom, well done.
Tanks.
“The idea of all things are for all people and one size fits all morality are very modern and fallacious ideas.”
Well that’s interesting anyway. A hard rightwinger who supports moral relativism. I thought it was one of their bugbears.
I guess that’s what allows you to be able to fight against abortion rights but defend a psychopath who murders disabled people. I can see that such a plastic approach to morality could be exceedingly er…expedient, so well done to your brain for such intellectual contortions. I’ll award it the mental gymnastics prize for 2018..
“The idea of all things are for all people and one size fits all morality are very modern and fallacious ideas.” — Janos.
“All right, you get a mulligan. You get a do-over here.” — Tony Perkins, evangelical preacher and leader of the Family Research Council, on Donald Trump’s infidelities.
Hypocrisy, thy name is moral relativism. Meanwhile, how many times have I been dismissed or yelled at for insisting on principles when “that’s just not the way the world works”? We live in Man World, don’tcha know.
Anyway, seems anything’s possible when you just don’t care about holding yourself to the same standards you apply to others. Kumbaya, my lord, kumbaya …
Sort of like the American government eh Elrond, where the laws only apply to the “Little People”?
No, not relativism, but recognizing people have different capacities and are at different stages in their lives. As one gets older, one’s priorities change as Walter has changed. I don’t agree with his perspective, but I simply note the change. Ideally, one could choose pacifism for oneself without trying to foist it on everyone – which is Quaker silliness. In olden days, all of this was understood. Of course Monks were pacifists! Of course Warrior were not. The Two Classes worked together harmoniously. Society can’t flourish without both after all.
Isn’t this better than mindless entitlement to people whether they are interested or not or able or not? And in terms of morality, you folks have an extraordinary ability to invert reality. Thus life is sacred when it comes to capital punishment but when it comes to the unborn, the fetus is just a parasite or growth. You simply can’t be more wrong than this. Liberalism is a mental illness, an inversion of all decency and real values.
Perhaps I have become a Warrior-Monk Janos, though I would only even consider defensive combat as an option. I know that I would not sit here and do nothing while my family and I were assaulted by intruders, and I would in fact be afraid that I might slip into blood red rage during the process of protecting my own. Were hundreds or thousands of militant jihadists or invading foreigners to storm my mountain retreat, well what’s the point. I continue to hope that these things will not happen and I would NOT want to be the bad guy that made the mistake of trying to turn mine into victims. I do like to play Gregorian Chants as I sit here sipping a Belgian Ale or two, and I prefer to work together with my fellow humans towards a common goal than to grapple with them. .
Janos
“Thus life is sacred when it comes to capital punishment but when it comes to the unborn, the fetus is just a parasite or growth. You simply can’t be more wrong than this. Liberalism is a mental illness, an inversion of all decency and real values.”
Nice try but you (deliberately) got it entirely the wrong way round. I haven’t defended abortion – you have no idea of my views on abortion and you are in no position to assume them. We’re talking about the fact that YOU disapprove of abortion because life is apparently sacred but YOU don’t consider it sacred in other contexts, e.g. disabled people in Nazi Germany.
Nice try, but all ancient Traditions approve of capital punishment. Why? Because the punishment of Hell after death is far, far more severe than capital punishment. In other words, capital punishment by a legitimate government is a positive mercy in which much of the debt is paid – especially if the person is given a chance to repent beforehand. NOT to render justice is to do the criminal an injustice.
Since you people don’t believe in life after death, such Wisdom in not accessible to you. Now it’s is time to admit you are for abortion. It’s only right to stop holding this against me since I’ve been so willing to share this Wisdom with you.
Glad to hear it Walter. Complete Pacifism is very rare. The Buddhist Monks learned martial arts as a way of physical and mental development first and foremost, but they certainly did feel they had a right to defend themselves. Some Indian Nuns learned Karate from a Muslim Master because they were being assaulted and raped by Hindu fanatics. He taught them to use their crucifix as a weapon.
Much modern pacifism is a specific political strategy, which is something different than a general state or stage of life.
Some holy men would allow themselves to be beaten or killed, but most traditions don’t mandate this per se. The Jains do of course.
Janos
“Nice try, but all ancient Traditions approve of capital punishment. Why? Because the punishment of Hell after death is far, far more severe than capital punishment.”
You cannot make up a concept, call it Hell, then use it to inform your judicial decisions. And call it just. Superstition has no place in modern justice.
“In other words, capital punishment by a legitimate government is a positive mercy in which much of the debt is paid – especially if the person is given a chance to repent beforehand.”
And now you want to play God as well.
In the meantime, I’m still waiting to hear about your attitude, as a Catholic, to the murder of disabled people in Nazi Germany. Drawing teeth doesn’t begin to cover it.
NOT to render justice is to do the criminal an injustice.Still wait
Last line wasn’t meant to be there – it’s part of yours, sorry.
” Inevitably it will be some ‘human rights violation’ or fake chemical weapon attack that gets us going.”
Remember the fake footage of crying Kuwaiti kids that helped US public opinion Desert Storm 1?
yeah, shit like that
An obscene plutocracy, run by a rich and powerful elite and populated largely by fearful, ignorant, and angry wage-slaves or utterly superfluous people. There is also a smaller but sizeable group of courtiers who have sold their souls for precarious personal advantage. That is today’s America in a nutshell.
I’ve been reading Donna Brazile’s book “Hacks” and the line “sizeable group of courtiers…” is totally true. Wow.
An excellent and accurate summation, and historically speaking, nations so degraded have all fallen victim to collapse both from without and from within. It appears to be the natural orders of things, doesn’t it?
He has a love of appearances because they can be manipulated. And a love of those who manipulate them – because they are his Kin.
Oh, but let’s foment civil war in the Ukraine; that’s bound to make the world better and more free.
When are people going to wake up and realize these deep state, globalists, neo-Con, 3 letter agencies are not interested in making a better world. Their agenda is to create war, suffering, slavery, and poverty. Whether you believe all the connections to pedophilia and Satanism or not, these are evil people. They must be rooted out and tossed into the fire
Been there done that, that was the Orange revolution. Hillarie’s favorite. It is why there is war there now.
When are people going to wake up? They won’t or they already would have. As the confusion and misinformation increases it will lead to less and less understanding not more.
Always there are people who having achieved some personal awareness, expect everyone else to acquire their same awareness as if it were contagious. It isn’t, and other people don’t know the clarity of your awareness. Rather they will rebel at acquiring new ideas leaving you angry that they can’t understand.
‘Their’ agenda is to create war, suffering, slavery, and poverty. You are right but they employ euphemisms and would not at all agree.
Having decided the extraction of resources is a zero sum game a cabal of self-declared experts has been making foreign policy behind the backs of the American people for decades in direct opposition to deeply held American values under their supposition that the end justifies any means.
“When are people going to wake up? They won’t or they already would have. As the confusion and misinformation increases it will lead to less and less understanding not more.”
K-dog,
Thus the data mining of All by the Deep State. One of the motivations has to be monitoring how many have tumbled to (or at least, suspect) their real plans and tactics to complete them. It’s quite hard to foment a war without public support or acquiescence.
We’ve seen far too much of this to be unaware, haven’t we?
I don’t know if the collective unconscious is ever gonna “wake up”..probably when ppl go to the gas station and find all the pumps dry while on CNN they watch the elites fly off to secret bases on Mars on Musk Interstellar Air.
And mass immigration is their greatest weapon, one that will bring chaos (opportunity!) and war to our very shores.
You mean like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfpgl6NqF0I
Hillary Clinton admitting taking marching orders from the CFR.
Isnt it nice that the Secretary of state is “told what we should be doing and how we should think about the future” by a privately funded organization of millionaires who support a global government. How nice it is that the secretary of State is glad that their ” new headquarters” has a new address just down the street from the State Department in Washington DC.
An excellent description of the deep state Syrian saga. The combined consequences of equivocation and lallygagging, blended with the impulsive tweet, thank you.
“most notoriously in 2017 when President Donald Trump responded to one with a sortie of cruise missiles against a vacant Syrian government airfield.”
“An excellent description of the deep state Syrian saga.” K-Dog
Not unlike when Bill bombed an empty aspirin factory!
It’s a show of force without actually killing anyone and a reminder of projection of power.
I see no harm in reminding people that we can fuck shit up if we need to!
It’s really not even that Deep Dog, its right out there in the open. The vast majority of the American people simply choose to refuse to address it….
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
PNAC. The gift that keeps on giving!
Yes Scratch and for a document that calls for a New Pearl Harbor on page 51 and weaponizing Outer Space and Cyberspace on page 54, to be in ignored when it is in open publication in a nation that accuses another country of inference with US elections, I would say that it is ample evidence that our balls are far bigger than our brains!
Actually please remember that the {revised) old saw goes like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjmjqlOPd6A
Every day the ham-fisted U.S.A. wallows in the Near East quagmire is another day that the sparks for WWIII are fanned and gasoline is poured on the pyre. NOw enter the match-lighting Israelis who are blamed for an aerial attack on Syrian forces just today.
Won’t take just a moments miscalculation by any of the parties to set this thing off.
It’s Trump’s bombastic pro wrestling persona which so vexes you thoughtful types which is saving the day from more chaos theory from the American deep state.
One question could cut the Gordonian Knot, Is the Carter Doctrine dead?
That was the basis of the long term strategic goals that fell into Whack-a-Mole where the American Empire’s strategic power is being whittled away in tactical futility.
Where literally Israeli, Saudi and Nato interests dictate where to use American military power.
Also, dont forget only a few months ago there was a very small story where they essentially admitted there was no actual proof about the previous chem weapon attack?
That’s the true beauty of the 24 hr news cycle. Make wild-assed assertions and commit impetuous atrocities in response, then a few weeks later mildly admit “Oops!” No harm no foul, because the attention ADD public has long since moved on to the latest tweet of the day.
Just watch the media. The media will tell us rubes where the next war will be. So, you know that if CNN/NBC, et.al. show video of little crying Ukrainian babies, or 24/7 pictures of “atrocity in Syria” and then hand in hand, detail how “dangerous Putin is” or how “evil Assad is”… there you have it, that’s where the Abrams tanks & F 35s are going.
The 90’s movie “Wag the Dog” turned out to be a behind the scenes look into our future.
Boy are you right on that one. And who is the enemy when the dog is wagged?
Thank you Scratch for the suggestion. I just watched this flick for the first time tonight with my wife and it was unbelievable. I was “wowing” the whole time and she was incredulous at the expose that it turned out to be about how it all works in real life. The “song” had us both singing “We are the World, We are the Children” and agreeing that damn, they play us all for the suckers we are, all it takes is a theme, a song, and a colorful logo. I see the same shit right here in our little Township on the Mayor’s Facebook page and throughout the interaction of government with the saps they rule over. Once again, I am compelled to turn to Divine Power as my only hope. This place is lost.
That movie is genius.
Yes it is Tate, it is another shining example of how they rub it all right in our faces – “See what we do, see how we control and manipulate all of you simple idiots”? And by putting it all on the silver screen, they can be “in your face” at the same time the general public blows it all off as movie fantasy. And just as they did with George Carlin as he ranted to them all of how they had “owners” that control you, they sit there and laugh and applaud. Apparently slaves do not have a problem with their captivity if they are entertained properly, eh?
Why not be entertained, Walter?
Like Bobby Knight said, “if you’re being raped, why not lie back and enjoy it?”
Because if you do that, rape becomes consentual sex. I would rather force them to beat me down first so that I can at least say I put up a fight, and maybe, just maybe I could stop the assault altogether
I had designed a large conveyor system for Jordache on the Hook in Bayonne in the early nineties. The Hook was known for the escaped, wild dogs that roamed freely there at the time. Having gone out to my vehicle to retrieve my briefcase, as I passed a 30 yard trash container, I looked to the far end and saw two Rottweiler’s and a large German Shepherd foraging for scraps. When the saw me round the corner, they bolted right at me growling, snarling and angry and in full attack mode. I stopped in my tracks, thought quickly and for some strange reason decided to take the attack to them. I dropped my briefcase and ran right back at them bellowing out my loudest Germanic war cry. To my amazement, they turned and ran like the devil himself was on their tails. A very instinctive, fight or flight response on my part but I’ll be damned if it didn’t work like a charm. Never give in – make ’em earn their victory!
That was tongue-in-cheek, Walter. No one actually likes to be raped. It seems the (evil) genius of our times is to be found in those, like Edward Bernays, who want to make us think it’s good-times to be raped.
Believe it or not Tate, I have actually heard cops say that women should just say yes to avoid the trouble of making them go through the rape processing protocol. I would hope they were referring to the he said – she said, date rape kind of incidents and not the real thing, but I am not so sure. I hear where you are coming from though and thank you for the clarification.
Uh if you can get them off the story about where Trump may have put his pre-presidential sausage years ago.
It’s non-stop Trump bashing 24 hours a day.
Our foreign policy has been causing harm to the world at least since we started empire-building in 1898.
In 1917 we got involved in World War I, sending a million troops to Europe and thereby tipping the balance in what had been a stalemate. The resulting humiliation of Germany created the perfect conditions for the Nazi regime to flourish.
We need to use our military for defense, starting with our open southern border; not for regime-change, nation building and all the other fools errands we have been working on for over a century.
yes it is time to contract the empire or it will be contracted for us, one of JHKs main themes. The blowback is killing us.
Merle Haggard said it better than you or me ever could in “America First” (ca. 2005).
Merle Haggard – America First
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UodJB1tRNVE
Good work, Merle. This was before that Interstate bridge collapsed in Minneapolis (2007), killing many innocent people.
By the way, another Merle, named Merle Hay–who was from Glidden, Iowa–was one of the first Americans killed in World War I. He died in 1917.
And boy did the Deep State come down on Trump when he wanted to send in the military to stop the caravans. By the way, latest reports on the caravans is that they are heading towards Guadalajara, a known American expatriate enclave.
dannyboy
April 5, 2018 at 12:14 pm #
“Trump’s tweets calling on Mexico to halt “caravans” followed a “Fox & Friends” report Sunday that featured the leader of the union representing border patrol agents predicting that those in the caravan would create havoc and chaos in the U.S. as they wait for immigration reform.
About 1,100 migrants, many from Honduras, have been marching along roadsides and train tracks in the southern Mexican state of Oaxaca.
These “Stations of the Cross” migrant caravans have been held in southern Mexico for at least the last five years. They began as short processions of migrants, some dressed in biblical garb and carrying crosses, as an Easter-season protest against attacks against Central Americans as they cross Mexico.
Individuals in the caravans often try to reach the U.S. border but usually not as part of the caravan. The caravans typically don’t proceed much farther north than the Gulf Coast state of Veracruz. The current march is scheduled to end this month with a conference on migration issues in the central Mexican state of Puebla.”
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/04/03/trump-wants-military-secure-border-mexico.html_
Yeah, now that Trump is President, he, the policy amateur, delegates foreign policy to the same idiot Deep State “experts” who leveled so much destruction over the previous 16 years under the Bush/Obama/Clinton regime.
We’d be so much better if the Chief Foreign Policy Idiot, Hillary Clinton, were in charge of the idiots.
With Trump we had someone who said that he was going to change things in foreign policy. With Clinton, she had a track record that was discredited and rejected. So, no, she would not have had a better idea than Trump. Trump, unfortunately , is being absorbed into the Deep State and his policies are becoming inconsequential . If it was not so, the bombing of Syria in response to this latest chemical attack would have already been done.
In response to doubts about the Deep State, anytime a counteraction from someone like Trump infuriates a large section of D.C., and elements of both sides spout off, they are defending their turf in Washington. Carter was treated the same way when he ran as an outsider and destroyed by the Deep State. If we keep voting the same people back into Congress, especially the key players in the Deep State, nothing will change. This is this year’s story, what will 2018 off year elections do to the D.C. Status. It is interesting that the last two Democratic wins utilized candidates that support a lot of Trump’s positions and can be construed as anti-Deep State.
Each election cycle is bringing us closer to political oblivion as the Deep State entrenches further. Who knows, the civil war that everyone is alluding to may be between Washington, DC and the rest of the country. I think Trump’s election may be akin to the first shots at Ft. Sumter.
Sidebar
Another shot by the Deep State is occurring today. Watch as they try to skewer Zuckerberg. The media is talking Federal regulation of social media. Good Lord, governmental censorship! Who do you want to make the decision what social Media says or does. Shades of Josef Goebbels. Another example of watch the money AND power.
Conclusion, when it comes time to watch your back, do not turn away from Washington, DC.
I predict the Dems will ride a tide of “righteous indignation” and make deep inroads in 2018, and possibly if they can let go of this Hillary thing, even take back the coveted WH in 2020. Unfortunately for us (and to absolutely no one’s surprise who actually pays attention), absolutely nothing will change thereafter. The fix has long been in.
Most of dannyboy’s prolific remarks amount to “you’re wrong because I say so”. Perhaps it’s time for the mighty Deus Ex Machina – JHK himself – to edit out Danny’s useless garbage.
Yes.
In process….
The commentariat has decided
At lease everyone is of one mind now.
Admitting that the deep state is real and insidious and practices their craft out of the glare of the public spotlight is hardly “of one mind,” but whatever. They’ve been doing this in earnest since at least the 1950’s. That much is widely and credibly documented.
ALL presidents do what the deep state tells them. Especially since the JFK assassination laid all their cards on the table.
Do you really think that the Global PTB would submit their agenda without strings attached to the vicissitudes of an open public election every four years, where one one cowboy could scrap it all on a mere whim? Strategic planning at this level is carried out decades in advance and deviation cannot be and is not allowed. Having reached the top of the world heap in their chosen industries over many generations, these dynastic family empires aspire to historical greatness, not merely ostentatious displays of wealth at the local country club. So you bet they have a highly coordinated plan to keep it going, and they’re deadly serious about executing it. What is a mere president in comparison? A flash in the pan public popularity contest winner, at best.
You can talk about the deep state all you like, but this is what I know…the republicans have delivered to their donor base a yuge tax cut and Paul Ryan received a 400,000$ tip from the Kochs as a tip for good service. They have declared they will spend 400mil in the midterm and we know that is a call for all their retreat pals to pony up. Next up…privatize soc sec. sometimes your “deep state” conspiracy is hiding in plain sight…oligarchy anyone?
It’s not even all that “deep” anymore, is it? Such is the level of interest in national affairs these days. People seem to be resigned to it now.
@ KDOG – What do you think of this exchange? :
dannyboy
April 9, 2018 at 10:40 am #
The commentariat has decided
At lease everyone is of one mind now.
Ol’ Scratch
April 9, 2018 at 10:48 am
Admitting that the deep state is real and insidious and practices their craft out of the glare of the public spotlight is hardly “of one mind,” but whatever. They’ve been doing this in earnest since at least the 1950’s. That much is widely and credibly documented.
Ol’ Scratch
April 9, 2018 at 11:11 am
ALL presidents do what the deep state tells them. Especially since the JFK assassination laid all their cards on the table.
Do you really think that the Global PTB would submit their agenda without strings attached to the vicissitudes of an open public election every four years, where one one cowboy could scrap it all on a mere whim? Strategic planning at this level is carried out decades in advance and deviation cannot be and is not allowed. Having reached the top of the world heap in their chosen industries over many generations, these dynastic family empires aspire to historical greatness, not merely ostentatious displays of wealth at the local country club. So you bet they have a highly coordinated plan to keep it going, and they’re deadly serious about executing it. What is a mere president in comparison? A flash in the pan public popularity contest winner, at best.
Notice the knee-jerk response to the possible key word “one mind”, followed by the mea culpa justification?
BOT ?
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Why does the porridge bird lay its eggs in the air ?
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– A blast from the analog past courtesy of Proctor & Bergman/ Firesign Theatre “I think we’re all Bozo’s on this bus” (credit included for the young peoples.)
Eoin,
Prescription run out again?
Still love Democracy?
You’re far too kind, Jim. The alleged Syrian “chemical atrocities”, far from having been “proven,” are just so much more US agitprop in the same vein as the recent UK spy poisoning imbroglio. Hmm… coincidence? I think not. It would seem that the CIA et. al., have fallen prey to the many US budget cuts and have entered into the spring rerun season a bit early this year.
And by the way, someone should tell Ol’ Mad Dog Mattis that those collagen implants under his eyes are something quite a bit less than attractive or regal or whatever the look he’s going for is. Like the US policy he represents, he looks like a walking corpse, and a damn ugly one at that.
Very funny, Ol’ Scratch. I just imagined Mad Dog hooking up with the Bride of Frankenstein, Botox gone Bananas – Nancy Pelosi. It was a disturbing image.
Gawd!!! Imagine the spawn!
Maybe Trump put him where he is to scare the hell out of the enemy!
Could work!
‘…scare the hell out of the enemy…’
When Hitler was about to hold a meeting with some recalcitrant small-time Mittel-European leader he remarked ‘I’ll just invite along a couple of my most vicious-looking generals to the session’.
The fatal flaw in your reasoning is that “Surely by now the American people has developed some immunity to claims of nefarious doings in foreign lands.”
As well he should. We’ve been proven right over and over again, to the degree that “proof” can ever be offered at least. But that’s kind of the nature of any conspiracy worth its salt, especially where quasi-government officials and their criminal henchmen are involved. The breadcrumb trail for such assertions go back well over a century now, so conspiracy theories are hardly something new.
Sorry, that was to dannyboy above.
I think its self evident that a host of alphabet soup defense contractors & their lobbyists/think tanks along with the “17 defense agencies” are deeply embroiled in anti-democratic operations & policy in the US and around the world, i.e. the ‘Deep State’
Yeah, I’m not fond of the ‘Deep State’ label anymore either. It’s been watered down to virtual meaninglessness by overuse. The true “Deep State” is even deeper than that. The public face of it is the least insidious part.
good point
The hubbub over the FBI, HRC, Trump, Russia etc. that is going on currently is just the Deep State trying to quiet things down to cover up a major goof they made, trying to dump Trump by using one of their main tools, the intelligence community. As hind sight is 20-20, look at the cast of characters today. Ol’ Scatch, you are right, the Deep State is real and being used way too much. The real problem is that people have no leverage against the Federal government. Except their vote. And guess what, boys and girls, they are busily working to take away the effectiveness of the voting booth. Ol’ Scratch, it may be too late.
I agree JAZ! The vote has long been “managed” as well.
So…and off we go!
You have a better plan like doing nothing at all?
I just checked the news, Russia and Syria accuse Israel of bombing the air base near Homs. As Israel has a policy of not admitting to their air strikes it all makes sense.
Does not matter who gassed Douma, Bibi is letting the Syrians and Russians know that and gassing will not be allowed and if any Syrian gas ever goes into Israel the sands of Syria will glow in the dark.
The fifty people who died and the hundreds who were injured where caught in a pissing contest. The price of admission, their lives.
I doubt there’s a connection between the two. The strike on the T4 airbase is a repeat of the previous strike against that Iranian drone base and general Iranian logistics there.
Seems to be the case.
Is dying by gas any worse than dying in any other way? The whole gassing thing is a shibboleth, like “witch” or “racist”. That such curses have so much power over the human mind is proof we are an irrational, fallen species. If anything, Whites are even more vulnerable than most because we are so verbal. Depending on healthy instincts would be far better. But that would mean loving ourselves and that would be dangerous to the Deep State as well as False Christianity.
Good points. It does have the decided advantage of invoking memories of WWII Nazi Germany and all that attendant baggage, so I’m sure that played a part in the decision. We can rain down smart bombs from drones indiscriminately all day long everyday, but one false flag alleged gas attack gets the masses attention immediately. We Americans seem to be utterly helpless in our current state of propagandization.
I’ve come to expect constant idiocy from Yan, but somehow I was hoping for more from a US veteran. Again, you disappoint.
It’s a very slippery slope from chemical to bacteriological to nuclear weapons. These taboos should be strictly maintained or our planet is in deep trouble. And let’s not forget who we are dealing with here. A fanatical expansionist Shia theocracy, a second generation ruthless dictator and mass murderer, and their allies — the commie North Koreans and the declining mischievous new-Soviets, that are hell bent on seeding nuclear technology to every country in this fscked up region, including their strategic foes, Turkey and Iran.
Still a worshipper of false idols, I see. The thing about most of us US vets: we use our brains and go where the facts lead us. You’re just regurgitating bullshit (poorly) that you heard from the bought and paid for US MSM.
We’re not talking about facts, we’re talking about emotional sentiments. And yours are completely out of line. You really need to check yourself in for some mental help. You’re not going to get it here writing the kind of nonsense that you do.
Dude, the Mahdi is already a young man and is gaining in Wisdom and Power every day. He will plant the Flag of Jihad in Palestine. It is already written and it cannot be erased.
Just so you know the taboos on using gas stem from WWI and the nasty habits of the winds to shift and blow said gas back on the people that released it. No worse or better way to die it was just to uncontrollable to be useful to anyone at the time.
I think you’ve alluded to why the US continues to be involved in the M.E. Syria & Iraq are the modern form of banana republics.
If you scratch the surface behind the agitprop, I bet you’ll find all types of think tanks funded by Big Oil.
And military industrial sector. Remember Keynesian theory, when you want to jump start the economy, spend spend spend. On what? Weapons and infrastructure! Hence the power the Deep State holds.
The self-declared “experts” are B Team intellectuals who don’t have the neuronal wiring to do hard science. These guys are living proof that ambition without talent is a terrible thing,
Yes! Pretty much describes the entire MBA mentality to a T.
No, I got mine from a small state university about ten years ago. An MBA is less a degree than a series of indoctrination seminars, although it did provide some useful insights into the psychosis of big business. Most of what they teach can be summed up as bullshit vocabulary and jargon. Of course that goes out of style every 5-10 years or so, so you can always pick out the recent grads. And Harvard? That’s nothing more than a finishing school for elite preppies. They never would have let me on campus, nor would I have ever tried.
I am sorry to hear of your experience at “a small state university about ten years ago.” I have heard this before.
That is why private, competitive universities are so competitive to gain entrance.
Theirs was merely a rubber stamp of what you’d get at Harvard, absent the blatant hobnobbing with the Boston and NYC glitterati. An MBA is a mere credential, a “secret” they openly admit during the course work. A keypass to a club where everyone speaks the same insipid vocabulary. Same goes for undergrad business schools in general. Mere indoctrination for those of us who weren’t smart or ambitious enough to pursue a real degree in the sciences. I’ll openly admit that, although I did consider (and was qualified for) pursuing Computer Science. That’s pretty much washed out as a career choice since too, so glad I didn’t waste the time.
Government radio today had another anti-tariff nabob (massive surprise) who shockingly agreed with callers that in the long run, tariffs may very well be good, because China needs the US market!
Holy shit!
🙂 ha ha
No doubt in my mind that every chemical attack in Syria has been a false flag either by the US or the jihadis. How would Bashar ever benefit from such a move? Gassing his own people? Sure, he’s just an insane monster with no strategic thought whatsoever. He just wakes up in the morning and decides to gas whatever village tickles his fancy from his throne in Mordor. Not to mention it was verified by these organizations that Syria destroyed all its chemical weapons.
Presidents in general exercise less power than you think, and Trump in particular has less sense than you or I can possibly imagine. Trump’s just a puppet figure now, dancing for the enjoyment of those who hold the keys to his prospective ongoing presidency.
I do not have the book with me to reference the specific incidents because it was from the library, but in the Devil’s Chessboard, a number of times were recounted where JFK was livid because subordinate agencies were going specifically against his commands. He was quoted as insisting “BUT I AM THE PRESIDENT”, many times after being ignored in his orders. Heck, even Al Capone did not have total control over the empire that he maintained through murder and force did he?
Yes, I read that book as well and quoted it extensively some months back. Few people know that there was a widely shared public speculation going around Washington, which JFK himself often morbidly repeated himself at presidential gatherings, about the fact that Dulles was going to have him killed. Could Ike himself have been providing that same warning on his way out during his famous farewell speech? Mighty suspicious, at the very least.
My personal emails carry a signature line at the bottom that states “I do not need to see, I know” which quotes the Centurion played by Ernst Borgnine in Jesus of Nazareth. My statement applies to many more issues than this, I KNOW!
Well I was not amongst them I assure you, nor would I discredit anyone else for what they choose to do with their own time unless it impinges on the rights of another human being. Also, I am not a joiner. You have heard of a “Lone Wolf”? Well I am a “Lone Lamb”.
Did you see Borgnine in the “Devil’s Reign”? At the end, he showed his horns!
Ol’ Scratch. Speaking of Allen Dulles, here’s an interesting factoid which is a matter of public record.
Dulles and his mistress hung out with a wealthy high society couple – Ruth and Arthur Young. Ruth by an earlier marriage had a son named Michael Paine who lived in Dallas. And guess who was living in Michael Paine’s house as a permanent house guest the day Kennedy was shot. – Marina Oswald and her daughter. – at this point we all join hands and sing “It’s a small world after all”. Yeah, too small, too many coincidences.
Dannyboy expects to be shown ‘smoking gun’ evidence of a deep state in a couple of paragraphs. This kind of knowledge comes from many thousands of hours of reading and research. I’m not expecting him to believe what he knows nothing about. But he needs to quit telling other people they don’t know shit. I spent a career in military intelligence and retired from NSA HQ. Do not tell me I don’t know shit.
Agreed. I’ve had the same arguments/discussions many times as well. The number of “coincidences” surrounding the JFK shooting alone erased all doubt for me. Russ Baker’s excellent book Family of Secrets goes into painstaking detail as well. Poppy Bush was knee deep in the whole affair, with surprising links to Watergate ten years later on top of all that.
But….do you know Shinola?
Devil’s Chessboard should be required reading
Michael Klare has written a chilling new piece discussing the new cold war targeting Russia, China and the ME.
Now we can understand the Bolton addition to the administration.
[Could the Cold War Return With a Vengeance?
The Pentagon Plans for a Perpetual Three-Front “Long War” Against China and Russia
By Michael T. Klare
Think of it as the most momentous military planning on Earth right now. Who’s even paying attention, given the eternal changing of the guard at the White House, as well as the latest in tweets, sexual revelations, and investigations of every sort? And yet it increasingly looks as if, thanks to current Pentagon planning, a twenty-first-century version of the Cold War (with dangerous new twists) has begun and hardly anyone has even noticed. ]
http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/176406/tomgram%3A_michael_klare%2C_the_new_%22long_war%22/
that’s a good article there. Are these strategists attempting to replay the same conditions that kicked off WWI ? Inter-tangling alliances and pre-positioned forces and this type of chess game mentality?
worth a read
Yep, WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Korea it has all been a chess game. Add on the Cold War. I would like to add an opinion, all these wars can be summed up as The War for Oil Dominance.
Sidebar
If peak oil is a fact and oil starts to run out, will the frequency of the brush wars increase? Once oil has effectively run out, what will be the next resource we will go to war about?
“If peak oil is a fact and oil starts to run out, will the frequency of the brush wars increase? Once oil has effectively run out, what will be the next resource we will go to war about?”
I think the evidence is extremely strong that peak oil is a real occurrence. The military needs a lot of fuel to operate, undoubtedly.
potable water is an issue, agriculturally producing regions are an issue.. Need food & water to live, so. There is also “peak rare metals” as well which I’ve read about. So, regions of the world where the last rare earth metals could be hotspots of activity.
So, yeah. I’d logically foresee more probabilities for wars, not less.
Water, id guess, is number one. Ive read some about the rare earth metals, some of which are crucial to advanced battery tech. Assuming (big assumption here) oil is eventually supplanted by renewable or nuclear supplied electric power, the key ingredients of the batteries to run it all would be a good contender for the next resource that we’ll start wars about.
We’ll never run out of resources to fight over…
Bahrain announced the find of an 80 billion barrel monster field.
That’s nearly the size of Ghawar, the largest ever discovered.
The end of oil is still some time off.
well even if they were to get every barrel out of the new Bahrani shale field, which they won’t– then it would fuel the world for a little over 2 years at current demand.
The current demand for oil is over 35 billion barrels a year, so keep that in mind.
Now, how many fields will wind down in production in the time that field will be able to produce (?) I don’t know.
Hmm,..
Assad is no match for the Turkish army. Assad knows this. Both Russia and the US want out. Both have one leg out the door. Assad’s only hope is to draw the US back in, which will draw Russia back in. Assad’s possible calculation to use chemical weapons to achieve this doesn’t look so outlandish me. Still, even if the NYTimes reported that sky is blue, I still wouldn’t believe them.
No matter who is doing what, it’s certain a very dangerous game is being played out. I’m waiting to see if a military “accident” occurs setting things off. I’m not a doomer, but we are undoubtably playing in an extremely hi-stakes poker game; wait and see when some regime goes all-in.
The American people must be real stupid not to see the current situation is a replay of the “weapons of mass destruction” scenario. And John Bolton advising Trump on what to do is not particularly helpful. OTOH, sometimes being forceful and aggressive can result in success. It’s ultimately about energy, or lack of it, really.
I’m pretty sure there’s a deep state, not necessarily a defined organization with a political purpose, but one where the military and large corporations’ interests converge. Politicians, the ones who make “official” policy, are corrupt little birds in the nest waiting for their parent to drop worms into their open mouths.
good post.
John Bolton is a malevolent neo-con. I think probability of US intervention now (if Bolton doesn’t get shuffled off, like so many of the people have around Trump have) is really high– like US tanks driving to Moscow, high.
I never liked John Bolton or that disgusting, hideous mustache ( which I’m told has its own zip code).
yeah, wait for Bolton to team up with that other cretinous war monger there in the Senate– John McCain.
Those two fucking guys probably sundown together by growing fangs & drinking the leftovers from guys in SS uniforms.
Closer to the truth than you think.
Pete,
Is it possible that Bolton is just a “part of the Art of the deal?”
Nixon wanted to appear nuts to scare the North Vietnamese to the peace table.
Reagan wanted to appear “unreliable” to scare the Rooskies.
Trump hires Bolton because Bolton IS nuts and scares the hell out of everyone.
Sometimes a cigar is simply a cigar. Are we overthinking the issue?
“Trump hires Bolton because Bolton IS nuts and scares the hell out of everyone.
Sometimes a cigar is simply a cigar. Are we overthinking the issue?”
possibly. Bolton does make his belligerent opinions known to everybody. So, that could be true.
Most of us that utilize chain saws on a regular basis are constantly aware that one slight error, one simple screw up and we can wind up losing a limb or bleeding out on the woodland floor. It is so easy for calamity to result from even the careful use of such simple tools that it is almost inconceivable to understand the consequences of mistakes made with ICBMs, Strategic Nuclear bombers, and all of the other implements of mass death and destruction that lurks out there . It is not hard to imagine a wrong move here or there leading to a big bloody mess, but it is amazing indeed that we have not already fatally blundered yet. If I were to seriously sit and contemplate what would have been the result if we humans had put all of the time, effort and cash into making life better for each other rather than wiping each other out more efficiently, I would probably spend the rest of my life crying in the corner. Better not go there I suppose….
Many of the most egregious mistakes have been narrowly avoided only by the clear thinking of military members on both sides themselves. The generals are clearly insane, but most of the people in the ranks who do the killing and the dying are not.
“Many of the most egregious mistakes have been narrowly avoided only by the clear thinking of military members on both sides themselves.”
Like this one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Arkhipov
I’ve posted the link before, but he’s a hero who deserves to be better known. A mistake avoided that would have been about as egregious as it gets. A clear thinker, brave and seemingly humble and self-effacing as well.
Yes Scratch, I can personally attest to the fact that in Washington Hall in the Summer of 1972 we were given a class that instructed us, the future officers in the Unites States Army, to not only consider the morality of any order that we may be given, but that in the event that we were issues an order to perform an illegal or an immoral act, that we as individual held a personal responsibility to refuse to follow such an order and that standing alone if need be, we were to take appropriate action to see that such commands were not carried out. Yes, we were warned that though we may not be backed up by the Army or any higher authority and might find the hammer of injustice crashing squarely down upon our heads and careers, we must act as our conscience dictated.
I am told that this is not the case today, and if that is true then it would explain a lot, at least to me.
“Most of us that utilize chain saws on a regular basis are constantly aware that one slight error, one simple screw up and we can wind up losing a limb or bleeding out on the woodland floor. It is so easy for calamity to result from even the careful use of such simple tools that it is almost inconceivable to understand the consequences of mistakes made” – Walter B
Yes that is my experience. But I know to use great care because I an aware of the consequences of carelessness.
You mean with the chainsaw itself – or taking down the tree incorrectly?
The lobbyist system of influence in the Congress is the source of most of the corruption. Entire large law firms are dedicated to this task. IMHO, ignorance by the legislators leads to the huge influence lobbyists have. And of course, money!
The fact that this is allowed and accepted by the American public is enough evidence to prove that the American public is in favor of corruption in government. They probably are quite corrupt themselves in their own dealing as well. Corruption, the New Normal.
JHK’s bridge painting shows a blue sky and puffy white clouds. Those particular things do not exist anymore, unfortunately. It is wishful thinking to assume they do and fools the viewer into believing all is well when in point of fact nothing could be farther from the truth. The chemical airborne trails courtesy of the shadow gov, deep state, et al have seen to that. The ionized atmospheric crap contains cross domain bacteria, nano-bot sensors in addition to the usual collection of toxic metallic compounds, working for you. It is a nice piece of folk art anyways, although a little too wishy-washy from my point of view.
Chemtrails are seen, across the globe.
Chemtrails are now recognized as a cloud—see cloud atlas, 2017-2018.
Of all the people you would suggest who do not believe in the deep state I am not the one. The D-State personally fucked with me after I found out about their troll farms a few years ago. I have met them up close and personal Danny Boy. They introduced themselves to me, sort of.
They told me something would happen before it happened, then it happened and 3 people died. The knowledge was suppose to make me go away for ever I think, but it obviously did not work. I figured out what I knew wasn’t worth a grease spot and rather than upset me it centered me.
It is rare to be confronted by them. You have to be a threat to them in some way and the info I had qualified me as one. Otherwise they happily manipulate behind the scenes content to get paid. It is also a complicated operation where the players only know about the parts they play.
Yes Trump issues the orders. he does their bidding now.
The whole situation with Mueller is an attempt by the DS to work around Trump, hold enough over his head to “cancel his stamp” IMHO. How about DS as an acronym for the Deep State, Saves some keystrokes.
DS works for me.
Indeed, DS does “work” for Ol’ Scratch (one of his many names.)
Sorry, I’m not following your line of thinking here.
It was a joke (apparently not a very good one.) ?
{See, Ol’ Scratch = Satan, DS is the Deep State. Nevermind.}
A joke, but also serious, or should I say syriass?
Danny,
Are you familiar with the concept of the military industrial complex?
Theres nothing conspiratorial about govt. operatives and hangers-on (defense contractors, lobbyists, private companies) profiting personally from wars, meddlings, insurrrections, etc. started by the U.S. It happens all the time – for-profit warfare and other government sanctioned operations. JFK’s trying to end the practice of CIA operatives making money through their operations is likely one of the reasons he was killed.
The Deep State, as discussed here, carries that idea to other realms of government, aside from the pentagon, if I’m understanding it correctly.
dannyboy keeps throwing out hooks … please, please please people, don’t bite. He’s a pain in the ass and his ‘comments’ are nonsense, worthless, aggravating and take up space.
And this is the sum total discussion on CFN.
Much like “Eoin” who disappeared after one empty comment.
Any thoughts to contribute to the discussion?
I am banning DannyBoy.
He’s become a true troll.
JHK
Jim,
As a man who has been known in his time to create fictional worlds where interesting things are know to happen, how about this for an idea?
A place where people go in Cyberspace to exchange ideas and to discuss issues and beliefs. As time goes by and the pitfalls of the open forum are dealt with over and over again and the group grows, the place becomes a movement of like minded, motivated individuals. It grows into a force that becomes able to challenge the corruption of the national government and it either morphs into a new political party, or is rounded up by the white vans and carted away in the night? Might have some possibilities, ya think?
And BTW, the white van guys are a reality. My Son-In-Law, an E-5 working in Army C.I.D., had many dealings with them in Kabul.
I didnt read many of his posts.
It is your playground, do what you think is right.
“The record so far shows that the blunt instruments of US strategic policy produce a consistent result: failed states.”
More and more I see failed states less as the unfortunate and unintended side-effect of US strategic policy, and more as one of the central goals of that same policy. If we can keep these states from rising up to something approaching middle-class European economic standards, we keep them from using their own oil, which depresses demand for that commodity and allows us to bogart more than our fair share of the available supply until it runs out.
As it is, the lens of “cui bono?” certainly does not flatter the notion that Assad caused these chemical weapons attacks. That said, I perhaps lack the imagination required to see how Assad (or Putin, for that matter) might benefit from such a move.
I know that sounds conspiracy-theory-ish, and am open to anyone who can tell me why Assad would think this is a good idea, especially given the timing. Wouldn’t Assad benefit if Trump actually got the US military out of the region?
Here is a thought. Maybe Russia and the US, and maybe China and India too are in the process of doing what the Spanirds and Portuguese did in the 1500’s, quit fighting over the resources and just divvy it all up. Russia, you get Syria and Iran, US you get Arabian peninsula, china and India you get SE Asia.
Failed states are easily exploited for whatever resources they might possess: material, human, location, etc. Empires thrive on failed states.
Scratchy,
As was eluded to back in the woo-woo daze, you and I are “on the same wavelength”, man. Let’s just hope it is not absolutely necessary for that to become more than figurative, so that we’re forced to communicate by ham radio. …But if it’s to be, so be it. 😉
This from the 4th of this month The chemical attack happened Saturday, allegedly on the 7th.
‘Despite pleas, sanctions, international condemnation and even a recent U.S. airstrike, the international community has been unable to stop the use of chemical weapons against civilians in Syria. During a meeting at the U.N. Wednesday, Ambassador Nikki Haley was clear where the U.S. places the blame.’
The gassing was also reported only by the white helmets, a CIA front.
Assad is going to use one bomb to piss off everybody in a war where he is winning but has not yet won?
The writing on the wall tells a different story.
Decades after the end of the Viet Nam war, former Defense Secretary Robert McNamera admitted that the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, passed by Congress at LBJ’s request in 1964, had been based on false information. The resolution provided LBJ with the authority to escalate the US military presence in Viet Nam.
And absolutely nothing was done to curb this power.
I often wondered who was the person that wrote the Tonkin Resolution and in what office he worked.
After much digging I think I found it.
It seems William Bundy (Asst Sec of State for Far Eastern Affairs) wrote a Resolution two months BEFORE the Maddox incident.
Found it on page 46 of this document, left column, midway down:
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/relea00012.pdf
I note that some posters castigate the people for not speaking up or acting to put an end to the government’s continuous madness. I thought I would repost part of my essay this week as explanation:
There is a famous 2 part experiment in psychology by Martin Seligman in which he has placed a dog in a crate with an electrical grid floor that emits shocks on an intermittent schedule. The dog never knows when the shock will occur. Seligman added the component of a ringing bell just before a shock is administered. The dog came to react to the sound alone as if shocked. The bell was in no way helpful to the animal.
In the second phase of the experiment, the dog was placed in a crate with a low wall bisecting it, on one side lay the shocking grid, but not on the other. Did the dog jump to the safe side when he heard the bell? No, he did not. Seligman explained this behavior as learned helplessness. The dog had learned in the first phase and the bell ring that the shock would follow and could not be avoided.
Do you sometimes feel like one of Seligman’s dogs, the bell ringing in your ear intermittently and, like the powerless dog you marshal your energy for the coming onslaught. You hear the bark of other dogs that will undoubtedly suffer similar cruelty but you are not concerned, your problem doesn’t allow for it.
Learned Helplessness. There may be a safe place to escape the violence, but few have been trained to jump that wall.
“Do you sometimes feel like one of Seligman’s dogs…?
No,
But I feel as though I would like to beat Seilgman’s ass for using dogs thusly in the experiment.
Learned Helplessness may be a bit of a spin on Human Intelligence, where one should (eventually) learn not to become unduly concerned over things that one has no control over.
Gas attack in Syria? Some in high dudgeon….
Gas attack in Syria? Me? …(meh)…. A curious interest.
I
I believe that you are exhibiting one of Seligman’s symptoms, anomie.
This dog learned to jump.
Glad to see I’m not alone.
“I believe that you are exhibiting one of Seligman’s symptoms, anomie.”
Luhr
Were I resigned to failure or helplessness, I might agree, but in both cases, I am not.
Any human in your second part of the experiment would step over the partition…yet the dog, not gifted with intelligence, does not…and yet the results define humans in conditions of want or helplessness? Great stuff for Psych 1A….
Dogs are the only animal that humans have domesticated that will die if unattended by humans…they’ve been robbed of their ability to survive in the wild. I feel humans have a special obligation, a responsibility to these animals.
It is one of my buttons not to be pushed.
Sorry
“Dogs are the only animal that humans have domesticated that will die if unattended by humans…”
I have a suspicion that ours (a rescue greyhound) might survive for a while (assuming she could get out the house) on the local cats and squirrels – probably cats more than squirrels if past successes are anything to go by (I rescued the cat that came into our garden and got caught, but the squirrels are better with trees).
However, she would probably end up being run over by a car, since her breed is not overly bright and needs to be kept on a lead unless in a space with high walls or fences. And she’s microchipped so the Deep State would soon have her 🙂 .
there is something about buttons . . . Actually there are experiments done with humans that you don’t want to hear about. they have even been known to (so they thought) kill other humans to obey the lab tech’s orders. I think it’s called Learned Helplessness.
Luhrenloup
Were they not more about deference to authority, e.g. doing what the man in the white coat tells you to without questioning it?
The famous one I remember was when people were instructed to give an increasingly strong electric shock to a person they couldn’t see when they got the answer to a question wrong. I don’t recall that they were told they risked killing them but they were able to hear the person’s supposed reaction to the pain.
“I have a suspicion that ours (a rescue greyhound)”
Alba,
If he were self-sufficient, he would not need rescue….
elysianfield
If you read my post, you’d see he is a she 🙂
She was ‘rescued’ in the sense that she used to be used as a racer. For that to happen, she had to be imprisoned or she’d have run away and chased squirrels and cats. Had she not been adopted, she’d have been put down as soon as she was no longer of any use to the racers (those nice people on the green, enchanted isle, as it happens – they’re very much into that). The dog racing world is not a pretty one.
Even people are imprisoned, rightly or wrongly.
But I was merely hoping to make a friendly remark about dogs. Never mind…
Alba,
My question was pointed at the topic in discussion…not attempting to be unfriendly. In the US, many dogs in need of “rescue” have been abused and starved….
Rescuing a dog is an admirable act.
USA is the evil player (the meddler, the instigator). Always is, always will be. We’ve lost our country to sociopaths (the Deep State, MIC, or whatever you want to call them).
I just checked the news, Russia and Syria accuse Israel of bombing the air base near Homs. As Israel has a policy of not admitting to their air strikes it all makes sense.
I have a sneaky suspicion that Netanyahu did that at Putin request to diffuse the internal situation for Trump in America – to many Media talking heads demand Putin’s head on a silver platter, as if US Military is in position to deliver.
Or Putin did it himself, just another exercise for Russian anti-missile defense.
Nobody needs sunk American warships in Mediterranean and a blowout of dollar financial system, except for the Black Project – Clinton War Party.
I think you overthink these things Finc.
Hey folks, may I be allowed to coin the term “passive chauvinism”? Adopted as a label it could addresses the Left’s peculiar flip of the Alt Right’s notion of American exceptionalism entitling global hegemony.
Rather than dominion uber alles it raptures unter allen: An exceptionalism which has immediate transformation effect upon any foreigner stepping into our national borders, whereby simultaneously the foreigner steps out of his/her/it background of identity formation influences, no longer bearing any taint of belief that doesn’t accord with the US’s adaptation of Western values and government.
Oh, and of course there’s the blame game of the US being singular as the cause of all the world’s problems; if such “exceptionalism” can be accepted there’s its opposite that the US can solve all the world’s problems simply by dissolving. Right?
Oh, and of course there’s the blame game of the US being singular as the cause of all the world’s problems
It is not the entire US, it is just a Clinton-associated part of ruling elites.
Finc, thanks for your insightful comment.
Thing is, all of this long precedes the Clintons. Yes, there might well be a faction or factions within the US that’s more rabid than the rest, but it can hardly be said that they owe their allegiance to this or that politician/personality of the moment. To wit: Obama was at least as warlike as Bush and Cheney before him, although they will always be the recognized masters of the cause for presiding over 9-11. The cause is far deeper, much wider, and infinitely more profound than a mere renegade faction within the current US government.
Women like Clinton appears once in 500 years – last time it was Catherine de’ Medici:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Catherine-de-medici.jpg
You ALL do not understand who that woman is.
She’s just the latest front person for the same old group. And if she was actually all that, you’d think they could have found a way to hand her the election. She had every possible advantage and yet still found a way to lose. I’d be pissed off too if I were her.
Striking resemblance, by the way. Reincarnation perhaps?
Do not mention her name by night!
“Trump: Major decision on Syria in the next 24-48 hours”
headline CNN right now
right below: Mattis won’t rule out air strikes
also: opinion: How Trump might counter ‘animal Assad’
there we go!
bombs away
like I said before, watch the media..
in this case ‘animal assad’, CNN on full board with Trump, absolutely nothing on Russia Russia Russia today..
Dow up 339 pts as of 1136 CST
Dog is wagging its ass off right now
FincaInTheMountains
April 9, 2018 at 4:04 am #
On the second thought, I wouldn’t put it past Putin that he himself organized a missile attack on Syrian airbase to diffuse the situation, and then just shot them down.
Why wouldn’t the Russians take a page from the Anglo Saxon textbook on organizing “false flags”, this time to force parties to peace, not to war?
Many people described the smug satisfaction of the Israelis after 9/11. And then there was the matter of the dancing Israelis on a nearby roof. Complicity? Collusion? Conspiracy?
Actually, watch Domino Pizza deliveries to the Pentagon, they always spike when some military action is about to go down. Thousands of personnel stay late and order pizza. Sit there on the parking lot and watch the pizza deliveries.
It’s just like the Japanese spies who sat high above Pearl Harbor in a tea house sipping tea as they watched the ships coming and going to know when the battleships would be in-port, i.e., Sundays.
I was at the U.S. Army cargo port in Bremerhaven in 1984 where I saw the new tanks and other gear rolling off the ships as part of the Reagan defense buildup. Another pier over was a Polish freighter that NEVER left the doc; it was covered with antennae, a spy ship, just sit there and count the tanks rolling off the ramp.
No need to break any codes, just watch.
yeah, good point.
Hmm.. cue the deep-state ushering forth a universally trusted, on account of his/her rac/gender, military man/woman to present evidence of Syrian chemical attacks to congress. These warfare college dupes & dullards are sticking to the same game plan.
Robin Fontes would work perfectly, she is a woman, Hispanic extraction, and has middle-east/central-Asia combat experience.
Yes, she’ll do.
What, you can’t trust a woman?
You trusted the black guy and his yellow cake!
“What, you can’t trust a woman?”
Avatar,
What I do not trust is some of the women rolled out by the Pentagon to explain to us either warfare or weapons systems…women who are straight-up academics, and have no experience other than that experienced behind a book. A PhD has little value without concomitant experience…at least concerning military matters.
The neocons will have Syria come hell or high-water.
Too much money in AIPAC
A Clean Break, the Same Strategy for Securing the Realm…
it never went away.
Wes Clark, first in his class in 1966…
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
Many men can achieve the rank of general including the four star rank. Few survive their Rockbound Highland Home for four years and finish on top.
Sorry, did not clear the copy cache. Here is the link….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw
wow, thanks awesome stuff
“we going to war in Iraq… we don’t know what else to do”
wow
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-01/short-history-neocon-clean-break-grand-design-regime-change-disasters-it-has-fostere
About 50 years ago “Martian Chronicles” by Ray Bradbury was a required reading in my high school.Then it was quietly dumped.Because it describes US foreign policy (and its consequences) way too well.
“Martian Chronicles” is a collection of linked yet stand-alone stories.The central plotline of “Martian Chronicles” follows the semi-allegorical colonization of Mars by the Americans, and documents the removal of the planet from the aboriginal Martians and subsequent attempts by the Americans to create a second version of their beloved home.
Earth is sending rocket after rocket after rocket to Mars.But the natives are not too enthusiastic about being democratized ( meaning colonized ).
They lie, prevaricate, disappear, reappear, transmutate, etc.
In one episode Martians even created an All-American City upon a Hill with living inhabitants ( and many of those inhabitants were the exact copies of the rocket crew’ relatives and friends ). Consequences for the Americans who chose to settle in this City of Brotherly Love were lethal.
Bottom line: NO GO ( meaining “Fail” )
It was made into a mini series starring I believe Rock Hudson.
First time I read this book under duress.I watched my favorite John Wayne movie 3 times in a row by walking backwards thru the “Exit” door.Then my luck ran out and I was caught.Library was the only option left for a kid with no pocket money.
Recently I re-read this book.And only now I realized how deep it is.
One Martian woman fell in love with an Astronaut. Her Husband killed him with a rifle that shot bees.
Who will take over this mess after Assad is whacked ?
Or does the mayhem never end ?
I would answer – 1) No one or doesn’t matter, and 2) Does it ever?
But they were probably rhetorical questions, weren’t they?
McCain just stated that Trump’s declaration that we will withdraw from Syria is what emboldened Syria, Iran and Russia to make the attack.
Good Lord, man. How the hell can we afford to militarily intervene in all these places and then leave troops behind for indeterminate number of years until the places figure out what to do, and what we want them to do to boot. No wonder we are broke.
Also note that the war hawks on the GOP side are the same cast of characters in the GOP side of the DS.
McCain (as in McCain & Able perhaps”?) is still flapping his gums? Damn why waste the breath. There is only one thing I would care to hear spoken from that old degenerate and that would be “I am sorry for selling out America, please forgive me, I quit”!
Only the good die young!
The intensification of the Turkish military presence in Idlib and Efrin threatens the Alawite Coast. Interestingly, a number of Jihadist gangs are now switched to fighting under the Turkish command.
On the 4th of this month, in a meeting in Ankara, Putin Erdogan Rouhani agreed not to attack each other. Assad wasn’t there. Very reminiscent of the Hitler Stalin pact over Poland.
So sad to witness the destruction of that beautiful ancient country.
So last week Trump says we are getting out of Syria and now all of a sudden the Syrians are using chemical weapons. I just listen to NPR in the morning to get an understanding of the Deep State agenda dujour. Today it was all SyriaSyriaSyria and chemical weapons.
My head spins.
PBS-NPR,
Woman who runs or ran PBS was making 500k a year.
The agenda is anti American.
Thanks for the NBS update.
Let’s rewrite some more old sayings. One man’s failed state is another man’s treasure trove of resources. The friend of my enemy is my enemy. Crude oil is thicker than water. A segment of Syrian pipeline saves nine. An ounce of intervention is worth a pound of fair and honest diplomacy. The proof of the insurgency is in the ease of stripping a country of its wealth. Make havoc while the Security Council sits on its hands. You can fool some of the people all of the time and that’s how you get Trump.
Durango, you need to copywrite these. Some very impressive revisions to some classic apothegms.
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!
Sorry folks. Copyright.
John Bolton is a malevolent neo-con == PeteAtomic
John Bolton was AGAINST Syria bombing in 2013. John Bolton is a Bush man, part of the consensus between the Bushes and Trump.
Very good thing for the country. (Bushes hate Hillary maybe even more than Trump).
you mean the “we don’t know what to do so we gonna invade Iraq” Bush family?
🙂
Obama was at least as warlike as Bush and Cheney before him == Ol’ Scratch
Obama had the same problems, or even worse, with Clinton’s headed Deep State, which was created immediately after the victory of George W. Bush in 2000 – it just did not spilled out into the media at that time.
Obama fought bravely and several times saved the world from the nuclear war, just as his grandfather – John F. Kennedy – did.
His Nobel Peace prize was well deserved!
I won’t even comment on that one, Finc. That’s certainly one version of the story, I guess.
Either you are being very sarcastic or you’re utilizing home-made 151 proof rum in your bong now.
Bush & Bolton were a couple of chickenshits who were all too eager to send Americans off to die. No different than “Bone Spur” Trump who couldn’t serve either. However, he’s pretty sure that he would probably have run into that school even if he was unarmed.
We see occasional half baked comment on “Fascism” and or “This action in WWI set up Germany for Hitler”….. Brown Shirt Fascist Party appeared in 1920’s Italy as response to Communist inroads.
Hitler was also made possible by a number of factors besides US actions. Josef Stalin made a list of European conquests a year before Hitler’s famous conquest speech… Near verbatim. Stalin acquiesced to Hitler, allying Russia with Germany to buy time. Had Stalin the industrial base necessary, the Russians would have subsumed Europe before the Germans got started.
The EU has the Bomb, so the new Russia has moved into the Middle East. This will prove an unmitigated disaster for the long suffering Russian people. China/India lurk in the wings, and if they venture into the Middle East, woe be to them as well, Strobe Talbot & decrepit George Soros notwithstanding, America will be sucked into this World Government busting maelstrom with existential pain on the Homeland.
Even as these events unfold, American captains of industry and their fat dumb stockholders strain to tie up every bit of transport, food production and utilities infrastructure with entangling electronic complexities and GPS crutch. On the other end of the tent in this Global three ring circus we are setting up for the Great Satellite War In Space. How does that compute O Yo Whiz Kids?
Grampa here, ever so not P.C; follows JHK’s occasional spurts into the realm of restoration of the mid twentieth century railway matrix, with famine hedge assured by matrix of rail feeder lines into the agricultural regions of North America, particularly the USA and Canadian Wheat Belt lines. I give as example the NIMBY efforts to stifle rebuild of the old Southern Pacific Walnut Grove Branch running south along the East Bank of the Sacramento River.
Josef Stalin made a list of European conquests a year before Hitler’s famous conquest speech
You lie.
He was a mass murderer. The fact that your Dad worked for him doesn’t change that. It may say something about your Dad though….
Janos, your are understandably unhappy with Uncle Joe since he kicked your Nazi ass seven ways ’till Sunday.
You are wrong!
Germany owes its continued existence to uncle Joe.
But you admire your own mass murderer – how does that work?
To give him his due, Janos has made some mealy-mouthed statements about not agreeing with everything Hitler was responsible for. That doesn’t change his commitments, though: he still admires Hitler for pursuing an ethno-state, and wants one of his own. The idea that ethno-states themselves are an evil just won’t penetrate.
“Hitler for pursuing an ethno-state, and wants one of his own”
Elrond,
Well…who wouldn’t? You are currently living in one, and are currently pissing it away. You don’t miss your water until the well has run dry….
Elrond
Giving Janos his due is what I aim at but not always in the way your mean!
I’m still waiting for an answer to this from the previous post, where I didn’t find his initial response (to my query about murdering the disabled in Nazi Germany) even decently mealy mouthed :
Myself to Janos:
‘ “In other words, you want the defective to breed and produce more of the same? They are preferable to normal people, right?” [Janos]
‘As usual your ‘in other words’ has no relation to my actual words. I did not ask for your views on coerced sterilisation. I asked for your views – specifically as a Catholic – on your hero’s policy, which was to put ‘the defective’ as you call them, to death. I am still waiting to hear that one.
‘It would also be interesting to hear how you reconcile your views on the matter with your views on abortion. And possibly how your Catholic views on sterilisation of any kind relate to the official Catholic dogma on contraception.
‘But the main question is the one about murder.’
I am still waiting for Janos’ views – morally consistent, relative or pretzel-shaped – on these matters.
*you* mean…
elysianfield
Under the previous post, I provided you with the example you specifically asked for of Janos’ hatred – straight from the horse’s mouth. I hope it was sufficient for you, although you did not acknowledge it. Janos did not later retract it, so we can assume he is quite happy with it as a sentiment.
Elrond: So Japan is evil? And bringing in millions of Negroes and Muslims will make for peace? How ridiculous can you get? There can only be “racism” when there’s more than one race in a state. If there isn’t, things have a chance to be far more peaceful.
Any thoughts on the fate of Whites in South Africa? Have you been finally able to “grok” that Blacks can be racist too – or will that only come after the genocide?
Alba: What is it that you want to know exactly? Hitler was a very great man, as both Lloyd George and John F Kennedy (among others) were willing to admit. The compromised Churches, both Protestant and Catholics, joined the Judeo-Masonic Illuminati and made war against the Light that had appeared in Germany. Obviously the Church is not infallible as it pretends to be. I don’t agree with all of that stuff. I don’t think Christ would be pleased by much of what they’ve done.But I can’t join your Church of Secular Atheism, but it’s far crazier – and utterly lacking in any Transcendence whatsoever.
But I do agree with you folks that everyone can’t have huge families without the Earth becoming overpopulated. Aquinas for all his brilliance, simply knew nothing about any of this. Christ said the Holy Spirit would be our Teacher. But if people aren’t even willing to think, how are they going to have their questions answered? They don’t have any questions because they think they have all the answer already.
When I brought up the lack of evidence of the Holocaust, all you could do was threaten to tell the Teacher. And in one famous European Holocaust trial, the defense was told, “The Truth is no defense.” And the lawyer was indicted as well. That about says it all, doesn’t it?
“When I brought up the lack of evidence of the Holocaust, all you could do was threaten to tell the Teacher. And in one famous European Holocaust trial, the defense was told, “The Truth is no defense.” And the lawyer was indicted as well. That about says it all, doesn’t it?”
No it doesn’t, Janos, but again, nice try at evasion.
There is no lack of evidence of the Holocaust.
You’re still evading my question. I’m waiting for your views on the murder of disabled people in Nazi Germany. The thing about the Nazis is that they anally kept records of everything they did, which was helpful.
It’s like drawing teeth, but I’m still waiting…
Alba,
I am sorry, but I did not see the example. Are you referring to the outrages involving killing the infirm? The useless eaters? Why would you conflate that with hate? Why would you expect murder to be a result of hate? Murder then was done as a matter of law…policy.
I’m sorry, but I do not understand your “example” of hate speech….
You can’t deny the evidence that it didn’t happen – such as the ridiculous testimonies at the Zundel trial of things that never happened. Even the Jews admitted they lost and vowed no more trials – just lock him up. Nor all the ridiculous books about escaping the Camps and being raised by wolves, etc. They’re great storytellers, are they not?
Eugenics is all about having the superior have more kids and the inferior having fewer. What part of that do you have a problem with? Do you reject the whole notion of superior and inferior? Then you have a problem with Reality or God, because it is simply obvious, like a is a.
The Feminist Criterion of Life unworthy of Life is personal convenience – which is simply despicable. Nothing is lower than that, absolutely nothing. Yet I have yet to hear a peep from you against this modern scourge of HEALTHY BABIES.
The most dangerous place on Earth is now the Womb.
elysianfield
No need to apologise. You just missed it, despite me pointing it out. That is forgivable 🙂 .
From under JHK’s previous post:
NewtonFinn
April 8, 2018 at 11:17 am #
“I sense great cruelty in your comment–justice untempered by mercy…Tell me honestly, are you as worked up about the corporate misuse of the visa system, displacing dedicated American workers from our dwindling decent jobs, as you are about this young man, brought here involuntarily at the age of six? Or is it only the little people who earn your outrage?
REPLY
Janos Skorenzy
April 8, 2018 at 1:49 pm #
“Yeah, I hate them both…”
I hope that is clear enough for you, elysianfield. But I’m sure Janos will be happy to keep you on a retainer as his PR guy, since being an apologist for a Nazi seems to appeal to you.
Janos
Your Holocaust denying remains Holocaust denying and I am STILL waiting for your views on the *murder* of disabled people in Nazi Germany. What’s your problem with saying it was evil? We’re not talking about sterilisation, we’re talking about murder. It should be possible for you to answer without whataboutery.
If you think disabled people should be murdered, then just say so.
“You can’t deny the evidence that it didn’t happen ”
Please clarify *it*. I look forward to seeing how many other holocaust deniers will back you up.
I’ll speak with greater precision: creating ethno-states is evil. At least, that’s the case when it involves mass dispossessions, forced migrations of populations, ethnic cleansing and/or genocide, etc. All those things are crimes against the people involved, crimes that erode the legitimacy of the effort (if they leave it any legitimacy at all). Off the top of my head I can’t think of an effort to create an ethno-state that didn’t involve one or more of the above.
The prime example of the successful creation of an ethno-state in our times is, of course, Israel. I’m completely at peace with Israel’s ‘right to exist’, but I reserve the right to consider the theory behind its founding — that of a state exclusively for a single ethnicity — a bad idea at best, and a motivator of great crimes at worst. The ongoing mistreatment, dispossession and imprisoning of the Palestinian population is a disgrace which Israel must redress.
“But I’m sure Janos will be happy to keep you on a retainer as his PR guy, since being an apologist for a Nazi seems to appeal to you.”
Alba,
Cutting through the hysteria and labeling appeals to me. When Janos is right, which is often, I agree with him. When he is wrong, I, instead of dismissively labeling him, argue.
Your comments to him, many of them, are of the following;
If you are correct, pound the facts,
If you are virtuous, pound the meme,
If you are wrong, pound the table….
If I am on a retainer, the checks are running late….
The part of Janos’ mind that is worth arguing with is overwhelmed by a ghastly tumor of bigotry. This is how he can carry on denying an enormously well-documented historical event, for example. And as Matt Taibbi recently wrote in another context, “When a tumor starts growing teeth and hair, you don’t comb the hair.”
For the most part, I tend to limit myself to correcting his grosser slanders, particularly the ones against me, and to general colour commentary.
elysianfield
The retainer comment was flippant, obviously.
I am not the only person who picks up on hate in relation to Janos. Perhaps we are all misguided.
I am called various names by Janos. That doesn’t matter to me, but I will not let Holocaust denial pass as if it were nothing.
And I maintain, in particular, pounding the fact or not, that if someone cannot come out and say unequivocally that systematically murdering disabled people is evil, then I am entitled to ask why not. Because knowing that about a person colours everything that person says in terms of the worldview they constantly defend. Or if there is equivocation, then let’s hear it and discuss it.
It’s specifically because Janos rams his so-called Christianity and the ‘Church Fathers’ down people’s throats at every turn that the question particularly arises.
Also, Janos pushes a world view that he would like to see enacted. If people with Janos’ views ever get power – again – these are questions that will arise IN REALITY, not just on blogs.
Also, Janos pushes a world view that he would like to see enacted. If people with Janos’ views ever get power – again – these are questions that will arise IN REALITY, not just on blogs.
Alba,
Call me an optimist, call me a romantic, call me a cab….
I believe that Janos, if given absolute authority, would conduct himself much more humanely than you might expect. He is intelligent and grounded in reality…it is the reality part that I find interesting. He was educated by the Jesuits(he diminishes the experience, however), and their imprimatur is evident. He is moral. He is consistent.
Sweet Janet, on the other hand….
Elrond: If problems aren’t created, how will you and your kind make a living? People who live in Nations which reflect their race, tradition, and history will be largely free from problems. Just as two parent families where the father works and the mother (a real woman) stays at home, won’t need you either. Without problems you have no clients. No money in other words.
No wonder you call us a Cancer and want to genocide us.
Alba: You keep trying to interrogate me without submitting to my interrogation. In other words, you aren’t willing to have a conversation.
Janos, I am surprised that our host allows Holocaust Denial to be discussed as I think he usually does not. For what it is worth I started looking into it before Christmas. I wanted to buy Arthur Butz’s The Holocaust of the 20th Century on Amazon. I wasn’t too bothered but it had been withdrawn from sale because of political pressure. So I made sure I got it elsewhere. I also bought an Italian book about Holocaust deniers by Claudio Vercelli and Generalplan Ost (I think that’s the title) by German left-winger Goetz Aly, who had some sensible things to say about the 68-er lunatics of his country (he explained it by the nihilism they had inherited from their Nazi parents) and whose book about that ‘movement’ roused the ire of many of his former comrades. The score between the two sides currently stands at 10 – 0 in favour of the deniers (or ‘revisionists’ as they like to call themselves). The umpire should call the fight off because the others cannot put up a decent defence.
I was reading Aly earlier today and he was talking about the extermination of the mentally sick by the Germans. Every page contains at least three or four footnotes to archived sources (I remember in Primo Levi’s follow-up to Is This A Man? that when they were liberated by the Russians he was struck by how ramshackle their organization was when moving camp compared to the German obsession with documenting every little thing) but he acknowledges on p125 that, in this mini-dress rehearsal for the Final Solution, “There is no tangible order for the murder of the mentally sick”. They realized, he argues, that they could only do it if it was camouflaged and hidden from public view. Nobody obstructed it, nobody sought to justify it (p126), although many knew about it (“obwohl viele Bescheid wussten”). Sound familiar? Of course, Jimmy Savile. Eye-witness testimony is heavily relied upon, for want of anything else. I am still laughing at the ‘tesimony’ of one survivor who, from her hospital bed, saw Jimmy Savile running along the road outside her window. He caught her eye and immediately turned off the street and crossed the hospital grounds before entering through the window and abusing her. And the BBC were supposed to have carried out a huge cover-up, because of Savile’s enormous Power, according to popular myth – go onto any YouTube comments section and read the words: “They Knew”.
Vercelli’s book is quite hopeless, as I had expected, relying on rhetorical dismissal and condemnation (many of the revisionists are far to the Right). I am not sure if the convoluted writing is intended to hide it as he does not seem to see any problem with the thesis.
Butz calls the legend a cornucopia with an endless ability to produce nonsense and I would have to agree with him on the evidence so far, which mainly relies on ‘everyone knows’.
I don’t know why we have acquired this fixation on gassing. The stories coming out of Syria are the latest variation. I suppose Jordan Peterson could go looking for an archetype somewhere.
You mention Zundel. Faurisson is very good. David Cole, a Jew and an atheist, is entertaining.
And when Savile ‘abused’ his ‘victims’ what did he say to them? I can’t remember but it must have been something along the lines of ‘This will be our little secret’. If only because that is what they all say. (Why?)
The anticlerical version according to the anonymous ‘Carol’, who accused Anglican Bishop George Bell (who was in line for Archbishop of Canterbury but for his condemnation of the Allied bombing of German civilians), it is: “He said it would our little secret, because God loved me.”
Now that makes no sense at all, but who is looking for sense?
The latest one I came across was by an anonymous poster on an Irish website, who said he had been sexually abused three times by a priest, once in the sacristy telling him “That he was making me a child of God.”
Can we just blame television?
Very interesting. You’ve studied it more than me. As always one must ask, what are they afraid of? Why did they turn History and its techniques (and that now includes physical science) into a moral issue, and one infected by virulent hysteria?
Here’s another:
http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.fr/2005/05/bradley-smith-break-his-bones-private.html
I cannot agree about sexual abuse however. It is an enormous reality among the Elite. Pizzagate was all too real, but the “fish” was too big to land. If they had gotten it into the boat, it would have cut them to pieces like a 300 pound sword fish. Frightened, the perps then went after them one by one threatening law suits. Joe Biggs resigned from Infowars once Alex Jones backed down.
Janos, I won’t look at it in much further depth because once you recognize a lie for what it is you are in one way only wasting your time. I noticed when teaching that the real liars would keep making up new lies to cover their tracks and send you on a wild goose chase, knowing that sooner or later you would run out of time and give up. A curious thing about such liars is how bad they are at it.
You should dig for facts for the sexual abuse stories. Their absence is stunning. You have probably heard of the Tuam Babies, with evil nuns and persecuted young women, dead babies thrown into sewage tanks and generally Evil all round. The latest news is that ‘stakeholders’ are being asked to vote on whether to do a proper excavation and analysis of the site. I am all for it, but I would be surprised if they go ahead. They should do because ‘everyone knows’ the horrors they will find. And why wouldn’t they with a vote on abortion coming up? What have they to lose? I think they will now stick with a memorial and ‘let the dead rest in peace’ and similar pious platitudes. I have read of one or two abuse scandals, in America, where the story gets out of hand. It starts in a kindergarten, mothers go hysterical, there are suspensions, court cases, doctors and psychologists report things that aren’t there happened (cf the infamous Shelfield case), twenty year sentences are handed out. And then they bring in the diggers. And then it is over and nobody wants to be reminded.
From the little I read of Pizzagate it is one of the daftest of them all.
While there are often parties who stand to gain in witch hunts (such as lawyers in food scares) this is not the main driver. For some reason most seem to want to believe that it is, to have something tangible to point to. The idea that it is mainly just pointless hysteria is a difficult one to swallow for them, but not for others like me. That is an interesting psychological problem.
In his precocious study of the mysterious, extraordinary rise of the Swinging Sixties in England, The Neophiliacs, Christopher Booker identifies fantasy with evil. I am not sure I agree but it is a powerful idea all the same and worth bearing in mind.
Just to clarify I would support Israel in the main but am forced, rather grudgingly, to accept that the Palestinians have a case. I understand that those living there admit in private that they are much better off than they would otherwise be but cannot do so in public. This legend isn’t really about Zionism but just, well, some massive psychic event I suppose.
When you have an apparatus in your government thrives on war–and is supported by corporations and lobbyists that also have a war mindset–you’ve got problems. And, an empire that will crumble and fade away.
Sorry you evil snakes, changing the name of the War Department to the Department of Defense didn’t fool anybody. You’ll pay for your sins.
As Darth Cheney presciently, and unambiguously, said, “The American way-of-life is non-negotiable.” Well, he was right, but he didn’t reveal his entire hand.
The American way-of-life for the people that matter, that 1%.
The rest of us are here to make sure it stays that way.
Semper fools
Watching Russian TV…
Russia is holding personally responsible not only British government for brutal murder of Skipal’s cat, but the whole NATO and all other countries, who supported Theresa May’s hysteria-craft, and says that they all will have to pay humongous price for this despicable crime.
Russia is weirdly obsessed with Sergei Skripal’s dead cat
http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-sergei-skripal-dead-cat-attack-nerve-agent-investigation-2018-4?r=UK&IR=T
That cat would have represented evidentiary proof (or lack thereof), and thus the animals’ absence is just one more item of proof that this whole insipid story is bunk. And really, this whole affair is just plain embarrassing for would be conspiracists everywhere. I’m surprised the US isn’t in dead square in May’s ass for pushing such amateurish BS, since it makes our conspiracy professionals’ job just that much harder.
Well the Skripals themselves will be missing soon enough being given an new identity out there somewhere over the atlantic.
It’s an unspeakably evil regime that is now forbidding Whites to work in English Heritage Foundations. What a calculated insult. No doubt some of our posters will be very pleased of course.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/04/08/white-english-banned-from-paid-training-placements-historic-england/
The British were bastards.
Look at the bad things their empire did.
You like Hitler, they fought him.
They were Cultural Giants despite that – the Progenitors of America, the leaders of the West for the last five hundred years. Hitler had the deepest admiration for them. To dismiss them like this shows a deep gap in your understanding. If you trash them, you must trash America. And then you are with the Enemies of our Race.
We must all hang together at this point, or we will hang separately. I’m with the Irish Catholics, but not at the expense of the Irish Protestants – or the English. I’m with Nazis, but not at the expense of the English or Americans – or the Slavs.
What am I saying? We need a completely New Order. Hitler knew that and that’s why I support Him, despite his errors.
I had Irish fore-bearers, as do many in USA, Canada and Australia.
The Brits were genocidal monsters.
And you’re going to blame the English People as well? Get a grip, man. Do you blame all Canadians for Elrond? Or all Scots for Alba?
Malthuss
I have Irish forebears too. Maybe that makes us cousins 🙂
When you say ‘the British’ were genocidal monsters, are you talking about those in power or every son of the soil just trying to keep body and soul together? As in every other country?
Janos
LOL. You actually think the majority of Scots would be worried about being ‘blamed’ for me and would pick a Nazi?
Bless 🙂 People here died to keep people like you out of our country.
Fool us once? Twice?
Here’s another failed state: the USA.
Jim – do you want to talk about Syria because you’re yet again wrong about the equity markets?
Or is it that you don’t want to discuss how Trump is going to get taken down by a 2-bit pornstar, using (ha-effing-ha-ha) the legal precedent we owe to Ken Starr?
Too bad for Herr Drumpf that he’s not half the liar Billy Bob is.
NOBODY cares about Syria – obviously – or it would have ceased to be a problem by now.
Is Cheeto Jesus gonna wag the dog? Sure, book it.
But it won’t work, and you can just about stick a fork in him.
Unless you think Vlad somehow is going to go to bat for him. Yeah, right.
Hello, President ‘Who? Me? I just been over here prayin’ Pence.
It may not be toxic gas, but Trump could find it just as deadly:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/attorney-federal-agents-seize-documents-trump-lawyer-201704919–politics.html
Impeachment is currently not viable. But if something incriminating and really offensive is found, would Trump resign?
He may need more than sprinklers to put out this possible fire.
A man dies, and Trump praises the Tower in his tweet. High caste and low class.
The Creature from the Silver Spoon. He may bomb, in more ways than one.
Ray Bradbury has been mentioned today to which I will say.
‘Something Wicked This Way Comes’
In over a decade of being here the overall tone today is different. A lot more confusing impossibilities have been introduced than usual. A casual reader searching for answers about Syria would be Syryasly befuddled with the contradictions. Perhaps that is the point.
I had nothing to do with ‘dannyboys’ banning. I find it odd he would say so, we were not arguing at all. I found dannyboy a bit amusing myself not that I will miss him.
I will also take the comment from a commenter immediately after who I have never seen before saying that arguing with me is like wrestling with a pig in the mud as a complement. Thank you very much. I like it when trolls give themselves away.
I think he was talking about Danny if memory serves.
I remember one Bradbury story where a boy’s body was being taken over an alien intelligence. In end it took his nervous system and his body began to do things he didn’t want to do. Finally it took his senses, and he was trapped inside his own mind, helpless.
This is exactly what is happening to America. The media is our nervous system – and it fell to the Enemy long ago.
Yes,Mr.K-Dog.
This is the very book I read 50 years ago.And I was immensely inspired by the cover: no-nonsense All-American guy with .45 in his hand.They came from OHIO-ALABAMA-CALIFORNIA…
https://www.flickr.com/photos/56781833@N06/5812712028
If it is not about Vietnam & Middle East then all fiction is meaningless.
I dimly remember “Something wicked this way comes” – about the Evil Carnival whick tried to destroy a Small Town. Maybe Mr.Bradbury meant Evil Financial Carnival ?
Will re-read it again.
I found something I feel fits todays ‘theme ‘It is about boys who play with corpses of the dead Martians’
“Behind him would race six others, and the first boy there would be the Musician, playing the white xylophone bones beneath the outer covering of black flakes. A great skull would roll to view, like a snowball; they shouted! Ribs, like spider legs, plangent as a dull harp, and then the black flakes of mortality blowing all about them in their scuffling dance; the boys pushed and heaved and fell in the leaves, in the death that had turned the dead to flakes and dryness, into a fame played by boys whose stomachs gurgled with orange pop.” <== RB
“In over a decade of being here the overall tone today is different. A lot more confusing impossibilities have been introduced than usual. A casual reader searching for answers about Syria would be Syryasly befuddled with the contradictions. Perhaps that is the point.”
I think that’s exactly the point. Most folks are just trying to find some truth, to find a few drops of clarity in the increasingly muddied waters, not just on this forum, but all media. If the game plan is to make folks throw up their hands and give up…..I think it’s working.
On another note, I find it curious that one of the Kunstler Korral frequent posters (dannyboy) was ‘banned’ (above) by Mr. K for…..posting too much (?)….denying the existence of the Deep State (?)…..being a pest (?). I’m not sure. Maybe I should check in more often. Meanwhile, the resident Nazi racist seems to spew his Daily Stormer-inspired shtick with impunity. What’s up with that?
He has an uncle named Sam.
This Syrian mare’s nest is too big & complex for anyone to begin to understand. All I can say is I’m glad the Hildabeast’s not in charge slouching toward Damascus to be born.
There would probably be a lot more pictures of children dead from gas. More than one bomb would be needed before a Hildabeast attack and then she would use a lot of cruise missiles. More drama. The Trumpasaur will just get irritated, call the media to tell them they all lie and are fake and then go drop a MOAB after he takes a dump. Same thing, different style.
That Trump will dump before he MOABs will be as close to a spiritual feeling as Trump ever gets.
I love these people who know exactly what will happen in the future. Nobody knows the future, but I can assure you it isn’t going to be what anyone thinks.
Looking into today’s Media crystal ball:
Fakebook’s own Mark “T-Shirt” Suckerberg says he is “sorry” he stole the data from tens of millions of people, even grade school kids, and is going to do “better” protecting your information in the future! Uh huh.
And that evil lawyer Whatshisface Cohen, who is protecting that nasty man who occupies the Oval Office, is going to have his own Auto da Fe courtesy of the FBI because he made illegal campaign contributions (wtf?) and tried to hush-up a tryst between DJT and a big breasted blonde pornstar 12 years ago and that apparently has Mr. Mueller seeing blood and guilt, indictments and federal convictions dancing in his head. (WHat does this have to do with Russian involvement again? I’ve forgotten.)
And that those evil Syrians, president Bashar “Animal” Assad in particular, need to be taught a lesson after gassing those people ( I would have thought a few well placed large artillery rounds into the rebel area in question would have been sufficient to kill and maim scores, if not hundreds of civilians including children?) Well fret no more– the good ol’ U.S.A. to the rescue. Can’t wait to see the response promulgated by the Puzzle Palace People. Neither can the Russians and the Iranians. While the Chinese are having a heck of a good laugh. Plus a “trade war.” That’s rich.
Any way one slices it Bill; the way our Clusterfuck Nation and Clusterfuck Planet are headed, it is going to be worse. Much worse, I suspect, than we can even possibly imagine.
The following rumors and conspiracy theories are a mixture of statements on the forums Infowars, Breitbart News and FaceBook pages of various Trump fans.
Yesterday, having convinced myself on these forums that the nuclear war had finally begun, I decided to sleep off for the last time, and waking up still in this world half-asleep turned to work and only remember her, my dear, in a couple of hours.
I restarted the router for 5 minutes and for half an hour moving my mouse on my computer, turned to my sources from the Union Square, where I was attacked by a mudflow of fierce conspiracy and quite plausible leaks.
And I decided to put it all in the form of a story in which my conclusions that are based on quite reliable information will go in the ordinary font, my guesses, based on intuition and artistic truth, will be shared in italics, and conspiracy will be highlighted in bold.
So, the satanists of the Black Project, having received from their Master assurances of reserving important positions for them down there, and having heard from the Orthodox that the doors of Hell are open, they have mixed all up and decided that they are open for the entrance, not for the exit, and have rushed to claim their positions, for fear of competition and thieving coreligionists.
Well versed in Christian theology, they decided to arrange for this on the Orthodox Easter nuclear war and gave the command to the white helmets in Syria to shoot a film about the fresh use by Assad of chlorine for the antiterrorist disinfection of one of the suburbs of Damascus. These white helmets, which the Syrian military ordered not to take prisoners, are engaged in Syria in taking people apart for organs, preferring, of course, to earn money on children allegedly poisoned by chemical weapons of Assad, they decided to cheat a little since lungs affected by chlorine are not needed by anyone, and this time they decided to get away with filming only, especially since the chemical laboratory created by the British SAS in East Ghuta was already captured by the government troops.
Meanwhile, a Black Project in order to force Trump to bomb in Syria in full force, and not as a year ago, when he arranged, by agreement with Putin, to test the Russian anti-Electronic Weapons and launched 59 tomahawks that killed 6 people, four of whom were traitors and agents of the Black Project, who installed a chemical warhead on the Syrian aircraft, one of which talked with Assad when the US tomahawk arrived homed on the cell phone signal, decided this time to seize the Trump family hostage to and set up a fire in Trump-Tower.
But something went wrong and the special forces of the Blacks in Trump-Tower were shot, and Melania Trump was taken out on an armored helicopter, but while the battle was still going on and the launch of the helicopter was dangerous because of possible MANPADS, Trump published three tweets, the last of which was written when the helicopter was already in the air.
A romantic version of poisoned skies is fine for some people, if you wish. The intrepid boys from Foggy Bottom have altered reality sanctioning new toxic clouds as bona fide classifications. Anyways, Grandma Moses would have been liked the painting which at least demonstrates a longing for a certain pastoral habitat.
“Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me….”
‘Those who do not learn Queer History are doomed to repeat it.’
http://www.harvard.com/book/a_queer_history_of_the_united_states_revisioning_american_history/
Texas subsidized a Lesbian couple who adopted six Black kids from Texas, only to abuse, starve and then kill them and themselves. Lauded and adored by the Liberals wherever they went, they always tried to stay in the media spotlight. Apparently the kids were their props – and possibly their sole meal ticket as well. But the kids wanted to eat too and that was a problem.
How do we stop Whites from adopting Blacks kids and abusing them? Especially Gay and Lesbian Whites? Gay Male couples adopting little boys? What a great idea, right Liberals?
http://theothermccain.com/2018/04/03/hart-lesbian-couple-black-children-suicide-family/
A horrible concoction of cruelty, consuming “familial” confusion, and cataclysmic cliff diving.
Yes, and I read that friends of this lovely family blamed this murder-suicide on the KKK.
brh
Is horse face Mueller in the homestretch, anyone want to handicap this race? It’s a heavy track, with the swamp and all.
Will he win, place, or just show? Remember, horse face is no nag, and he just may be a Deep State front runner.
Trump could be right here:
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/attorney-federal-agents-seize-documents-trump-lawyer-201704919–politics.html
Great interview with Chris Hedges:
https://medium.com/newsvoice/chris-hedges-u-s-citizens-are-living-in-an-inverted-totalitarian-country-c973b3908b70
Trump is right to attack illegal immigrants and to question immigration in general. We need more xenophobia.
Good luck with blocking railroads and shutting down corporate buildings. You may get a jail cell, a fractured skull, or both.
Good points on the media. Environmentally, Trump is a terrible, toxic, take out tyrant.
Who, if not the Gargantuan Gonads of Gotham? Hedges “hedges”.
MAGA not MAKA.
He goes over the edge. It looks to me Chris needs a vacation from the endless travails of empire. I am too harsh, but I know his passion and his angst comes off as crazy when he does not get enough sleep.
“There’s an old saying in Tennessee… I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee… that says, fool me once, shame on… uh..shame on you. Fool me, er… you can’t get fooled again.”
-George Dumbya
The Gold Standerd. Thank you!
Civil war ended 158 years ago today. Till about the mid 1930s this day was highly celebrated and commemorated with ceremonies at places like Appomatox CH, Antietam and Gettysburg. Now after 6 generations it warrants hardly a mention, except maybe for a few self rightious lefties eager to pull down Confederate memorials.
(I see now some groups are angling to destroy monuments depicting William McKinley and Theodore Roosevelt. They are routinely vandalized. So they’ve moved on from the Civil War Era to the 1898-1910 period, high summer of industrial America. In the end there will only be 3 monuments left standing in America, MLKs, Arthur Ashe’s statue in Richmond, Va., and the one of Lenin in Seattle)
Hey Green Alba, if you’re looking in … Lord muzzy mayor of the Londonistan Caliphate, Ali Khan, in response to all the stabbings in Londonistan, has banned knives. Carrying a knife is a felony. He stated there is no reason in the world why anyone would need a knife. Also, you cannot order a knife thru the mail. In addition to this it is illegal to carry Acid. Acid? Yes, the Africans, Middle Easterners and Pakis stabbing one another on the streets apparently like to thro acid in passerbys face as well. Quite a city you’ve created there, Londonistan. Sounds like a real paradise, like New San Francisco. I hope this knife control scheme works out for you. If not the next thing to be banned will be fists and feet, which can be used to harm others.
brh
Gonna be a bitch trying to eat some “bangers” or even the famous English roast beef without a knife. How then to spread some marmalade onto a fresh-baked scone at Fortnum and Mason’s at High Tea? Horrors.
Maybe one can substitute a letter opener? A letter opener Infidel dog!
The London authorities will have to now ban letter openers, staple guns, and those big ass paper cutters, the kind sold in stationery stores. Holy Shiite and what about lethal scissors? I’m thinking that any remaining stationary stores will have to be shuttered to help keep the streets of Londontown safe.
Office Depot you have been warned.
You got it all correct, Mr. P, except it is no longer Londontown.
It is the Caliphate of Londonistan!
Think of the giants who have called London home thoughout the centuries, soldiers, kings, authors, artists, politicians, reformers … all the way back to Roman times, and look at London now.
brh
“Holy Shiite and what about lethal scissors?”
Yes if you’re out at night with a gang of mates you can be apprehended for carrying a weapon if you’ve got a pair of pointy scissors in your pocket. And quite right too. But that’s always been the case. And I can walk over to my daughter’s house with a pair of scissors in my pocket and nobody will stop me. Nor will they need to. Funny that. And I have a letter opener too – and can buy another one whenever I want.
Overall, BTW, London statistically remains safer than New York, a spike of a few months notwithstanding. Not that that gives London any laurels to rest on – they’re a long, long way from that (you do realise I don’t even live in England, let alone London?).
But as I pointed out earlier, Glasgow, which is actually only 45 miles away from me, used to have a reputation much worse than London for knife crime. It gloried in a reputation as the gangland murder capital of Europe. And you’d have struggled to find a black or brown face in the street. And now it has many more black and brown faces, but the violent crime face has disappeared. That’s because of the public health approach taken by the powers that be in the city (and the country). It has worked. They’re apparently going to try it in London too. I hope it works there as well.
GreenAlba, you’re doing it wrong. That violence accompanies black and brown people is axiomatic, not empirical.
You’re supposed to arrange the facts to fit the theory, not the other way around, silly!
Yes Elrond, we’re not prejudiced but post-judiced. The statistics are based on facts and our postjudice is based on statistics and/or facts if we or people we’ve known have been attacked.
And I can walk over to my daughter’s house with a pair of scissors in my pocket and nobody will stop me. Nor will they need to. Funny that. — Green Alba
Yeah, FUNNY THAT. That would be called profiling and ‘raciss’ her in the US by our race hustlers. ‘We have to check everybody, we have to check the grandmothers, we have to check the paraplegics. They could run amok with those knitting needles.’ LOL.
Of course, it’s not really an excuse to stop-and-frisk the grannies, it’s an excuse to NOT stop-and-frisk the criminal element.
Tate
I kinda thought you or brh would pick up on that. But I didn’t mention colour – you did. My other daughter used to live in Manchester where a lot of young people carry knives – the problem isn’t about white or non-white, it’s primarily about young and non-young. Call it ageist profiling if you like.
So they’d be highly unlikely to bother either me or a black granny. Sorry to disappoint you.
You’re right, it’s mostly age, but you have to be a fool not to notice there’s also a correlation to color. And the thing is, that same correlation crosses borders.
Furthermore, I carry a knife, but carrying a knife, or any other weapon, doesn’t mean you’re a criminal, maybe it means you recognize you’re in an area where it’s prudent to carry a knife. (I’m in a very safe area, but I carry one anyway mostly because I’m in the habit of carrying one.)
“You’re right, it’s mostly age, but you have to be a fool not to notice there’s also a correlation to color. And the thing is, that same correlation crosses borders.”
I don’t deny there is currently a correlation with colour – I was pointing out that in Glasgow, the stabbing capital of Europe back in the day, there was no correlation whatsoever with colour, so it’s not an inevitability that it should correlate with colour.
There was a correlation with gangs (I expect they have gangs in Russia too, without colour being involved.) I don’t think at that point that there was even much of a correlation with drugs, which there is now. Gangs were just the usual tribal stuff that young boys got enticed into and they liked fighting with one another over their ‘territory’.
And my main point was that a public health campaign, as opposed to just ‘stop and search’ (which is also needed) has decimated rates of violent crime.
“Furthermore, I carry a knife, but carrying a knife, or any other weapon, doesn’t mean you’re a criminal, maybe it means you recognize you’re in an area where it’s prudent to carry a knife. (I’m in a very safe area, but I carry one anyway mostly because I’m in the habit of carrying one.)”
Wow. Sorry you feel the need to carry a weapon. I don’t. And I’ve never known anyone who does (I don’t walk about with scissors either – that was just to make a point – pun not intended). The more people carry weapons, the more weapons will be used. Weapon inflation is like that.
A lot of the young men who carry knives aren’t intending to be criminals either. They think it will make them safer. Generally it won’t. Tackling the underlying problems will make them safer – the way it happened in Glasgow, which still has drug problems and no shortage of poverty and poor housing (though not as much as in the 60s) but doesn’t suffer from anything like the same problems of violence.
Alba,
I would advise you to always carry a weapon — blade, pepper spray, kubotan, screwdriver, stun gun. Heck, even a full-sized umbrella with a point on the end (lol, before they’re outlawed, that is, on your island) would be better than nothing.
I realize as a woman you think everyone is of good will and would never harm you, but guess what? — there are some scary hombres out there.
I have carried my knife for many years and it did save my life on one occasion (but not in use against a human being.) But primarily, I don’t think of it as a weapon, even though I characterized it as such, but as a tool.
In any event, your idea about weapon inflation is laughable. I mentioned a grab bag of items above that either are weapons or can be used as weapons. Do you think that people in your part of the world don’t carry these items or others for the purpose of self-defense? Think again. I perfectly understand that it’s déclassé to carry a knife and thus no “good-thinking” middle-class individual will cop to it, but more carry than you think.
Tate
I appreciate your concern, really I do (I’m not being facetious here – I really do think you mean well), but I don’t think you have any appreciation of what life is like where I live or the way people think (people, not women, including my husband who visits some of the less salubrious areas in the city as part of his work).
So apologies for this being a bit long, but I don’t want to give you a glib answer and just sound as patronising as you do when you say:
“I realize as a woman you think everyone is of good will and would never harm you, but guess what? — there are some scary hombres out there.”
That’s not just patronising but completely inaccurate. But I know your attitudes to women, and I expect you’re too old to change them, so we’ll just live with them and go with what we have.
“I would advise you to always carry a weapon — blade, pepper spray, kubotan, screwdriver, stun gun”
Carrying any of those items for ‘defence’ is illegal, including pepper sprays (I’ve just checked:
https://www.bladespro.co.uk/blogs/news/pepper-spray-uk)
It appears there are some milder alternatives that don’t contain harmful chemicals. If I were in the habit of wandering around unsafe places I might consider it, but I’m not. Shopping is safe. Being in the centre of the city is safe. Going to the cinema to meet a friend in the evening and making my way home on the bus is utterly safe. Nothing is 100% risk free, but I’m many times more likely to be struck down by a stroke than I am by a mugger, so I’ll worry about things that justify worrying.
Carrying a stun gun carries a penalty of up to 10 years in jail, so I’ll pass.
I’m not long in from walking the (not usefully scary) dog around the block, in the dark, popping into the corner shop for some beer for my husband when he gets in from work after midnight, and getting some money out of the machine beside the shop, then round past the pub (open) which is opposite the mosque on the corner. All of it without feeling remotely threatened, although I pay attention.
It’s a sleepy place at night, apart from a few students and other youngsters who still have proper social lives. The only sign of delinquency you can see is when the metal shutter is pulled down in front of the mosque (which looks a bit like a corner shop) showing the graffiti sprayed on by some anti-Muslim yobs. Muslims in our countries have more to fear from us than we do from them. They’ve obviously decided it’s not worth cleaning it off. It’s been there for years.
There are druggier places in Edinburgh (you’ll have heard of Trainspotting even if you haven’t seen it) but I don’t find myself there. My husband does, occasionally, as part of his work in the evenings – he goes on home visits with a driver, but they don’t carry weapons either, despite being men who can’t be patronised as one of da laydeez who think everyone is ‘nice’ (one of the drivers is ex-army and has a limp courtesy of an IRA bomb).
And my husband worked his way through medical school by joining the Irish territorials. I daresay he could fish out a scalpel from his bag but not within any useful time! Carrying a weapon would be an excellent way of being struck off the medical register, though.
Not everywhere is quite as safe as the streets I frequent. My daughter who now lives in the country that puts you in jail for dropping chewing gum on the pavement lived in Manchester for years. She’s a woman too, and it may surprise you that we don’t think ‘everyone’ is of goodwill.
Manchester’s a bit more ‘knife-y’ than here, by her account. A female workmate of hers (she worked in a pub during her university years and for some time afterwards while looking for a ‘proper’ job) was stabbed in the leg for the contents of her wallet while opening the door into her flat/house. It hasn’t made my daughter worry excessively about safety, although I did make her promise to get a taxi home from the pub in the early hours. Mothers worry – it’s part of the job description. But you have to let them live their lives.
We continue to take reasonable care but we don’t live our lives in fear the way you seem to over your way.
I worry less than I did when I was younger, although I was never neurotic about being out and about. But since having to run away from someone (who did run after me) at the age of about 23 in France I’ve always been aware – when I’m on a quieter street at night – of whether the footsteps behind me sound male, female or a couple and, if they sound ‘lone male’ or ‘no females’, I pay some attention until they pass me by.
I have on occasion mentally prepared myself in a not-too-serious way to knee someone in the delicate bits if necessary when I’ve heard footsteps behind me, just in case. Never had to, though. People walking behind you when you are going home from an evening out are almost always just other people going home too (and mostly they are actually couples). I refuse to become neurotic about walking in the streets of my own city. That’s not a way to live your life.
If life gets less safe where I live, I’ll review my precautions. But again, thanks for your concern. I know you mean it sincerely.
Anyway, didn’t you know women of my age are invisible? It starts about age 45 and can be useful 🙂 .
Alba, we tell ourselves stories, about ourselves, about our environment, to make sense of who we are and how we fit into it. You can rely on statistics until you become a victim and then you will disregard the statistics. The statistics are a story, a narrative that you are telling yourself. One’s personal story will tend to supplant any set of statistics.
I too live in a very safe environment, statistically. In fact, it’s one of the safest suburbs of one of the safest cities in the US. One has to laugh at the busybodies on the local Nextdoor.com network who alert us to porch thefts, crazy teenagers-on-wheels, house-rollings, and coyote sightings. The last is especially comical because this kind of post inevitably draws a flurry of follow-up posts correctly pointing out that coyotes are as common as squirrels where we live and they don’t bother anybody. I don’t sweat it. I’ve lived in areas that really are dangerous.
In fact, where I live is very similar to the setting of the TV series, ‘Breaking Bad’. (I don’t know if you’re familiar with the show.) A very anglo, “white-bread” environment. One of the themes of BB — especially the earlier episodes — is the tension between the surface world of middle-American wholesomeness & an alternate criminal world that lies unrecognized just beneath. Two competing narratives, each more or less bearing a resemblance to reality (I think much less so in the latter case).
I was out last night walking. Lots of other people were out. It was fairly warm here yesterday so more people are out at night to enjoy the cool air. No moon and no streetlights in the greenbelt/creek trail route where I usually walk. So people are passing saying hello but you can barely see twenty feet ahead of you.
It reminded me of another night a couple of years back when after midnight I encountered a young girl on a bicycle who passed me. She had stopped at a distance and her head-light was shining on me. When she passed, she said “You scared the HELL out of me!!!” (Believe me, I’m not a scary-looking man.) I wanted to say, “Don’t you know you shouldn’t be out here this time of night!” But I bit my lip.
So we tell ourselves stories about who we are and about our place in this world. The stories these young girls today are being told about themselves and how they fit into this world and which most of them desperately want to believe is WRONG WRONG WRONG. They are “whistling past the graveyard,” Green Alba, so they know it is a false narrative on some primal level, but the statistics don’t lie, right? Anyway, got to run, lots to do today.
Tate
We’re not as far apart as you might like to think, although I realise that on this site anyone lefty-liberal (I’m actually centre-lefty-not-that-liberal, but whatever…) has to be (a) utopian/unrealist, (b) unaware of the er…’real’ world and (c) if female blissfully unaware of the danger they are constantly in from what we taught our young children to think of as ‘the bad man’, who notably doesn’t wear his name on a headband so that you can recognise him, so you have to imagine every man you come across might be ‘the bad man’ just in case. We’ve all done it with our small children. It’s unfair to most men, but what are you going to do when the ‘baddest’ people do tend to be men?
The world I walk through most days is just as ‘real’ as other parallel, more dangerous ones that might impinge on that reality but haven’t done so very much in the (possibly) 80% or so of my life that I’ve already lived (although, as I mentioned already, I was in Paris the weekend of the Bataclan attack and in Brussels a short while later – I know what ‘the bad man’ sometimes looks like).
The idea that women need to live half lives because of the nature of men is not that far from the idea that they should cover themselves from head to toe because men just can’t control themselves. It’s a spectrum. So you do your own risk analysis, as an adult, and you decide how much you’re prepared to restrict your life because of the nature of men (I could say ‘some men’ or ‘a few men’ but I’m reminded that all Muslims are expected to pay the reputational price for a small number of Islamist extremists, so maybe fair’s fair?).
The risks I take, such as they are (and they are vanishingly small) are informed risks. And they’re informed, at least partially, by those statistics you say don’t lie. And those statistics tell me, among other things, that crime can fall over a prolonged period while the fear of crime inexorably rises. The discrepancy in perception is in large part due to (a) ‘newspapers’ incessantly peddling fear of criminals, the mentally ill, immigrants etc. and (b) endless crime programmes (fact or fiction) on TV. There’s money to be made, in a domestic setting as well as politically, from promoting fear.
That doesn’t mean risks don’t exist. My daughter (in the land of no chewing gum) takes a risk every time she goes deep-sea diving, just as an example, which she loves. But she’s taken an advanced diving certificate to mitigate the risk. Nevertheless, she told me a scary story about that which I wish I didn’t have to think about.
She’s also taken advantage of her time there to visit Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Australia, India, New Zealand, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines – sometimes to take part in charity marathons, sometimes just as a tourist. I pester her about safety issues; she reassures me that she takes care (she generally goes with a friend or in a small group, although she did fetch up in Hanoi on her own and met some nice young people at the airport that she then went around with and remained friends with). It’s her life and she also has to make informed decisions about balancing the risks with her appetite for living her life.
I don’t see her much – only about once a year, if that, these days. But she’s signed up for the Cape Town marathon in September and is pestering me to come (she’s going with a female friend/colleague whose mother is already going). If I go, I’ll take her a couple of those aerosol thingies (but not with pepper!) for future trips where I’m not there. And I’ll probably seek more reassurance. And then she’ll go off and continue living her life and I’ll go home and live mine and worry a bit.
But I’m glad we’re having a reasonable conversation and not just flinging sarcastic brickbats.
As a PS, we have a brass chain inside our front door that was put there because of a woman! My husband was assaulted (not with a weapon) and thrown to the floor in the hospital where he’s based by a (large!) female patient who didn’t like his diagnosis and proposed treatment (or something). She’d already attacked a nurse on a previous occasion somewhere else.
In a neighbouring cubicle my husband could hear a young female doctor being called a ‘pregnant rat’ by another nasty patient – it was one of those nights. Anyway, he called security and got his psycho patient taken away but then started looking up the MO of such psychopathic behaviour and concluded she might try to find out where we lived, as well as possibly returning to the service with mischief in mind, and possibly with a knife or matches. So all the ‘bad men’ aren’t men! We never had to use the chain, though, although he did once spot her in the street…
I have carried knives of many types and many sizes all of my life and I have utilized them almost daily. They are far more useful than firearms. I have drawn much blood with mine in my day – all of it mine, oops. The paper laws of the world are a pathetic waste of time unless you are a lawyer and then they are your best friend. It depresses me when I hear regular people calling for more and more “laws” whenever something happens that they do not like or are scared shitless of. As a lawmaker myself, I can guarantee to you all that laws are worthless as far as modifying the behavior of any human being that is incline to do bad things. Besides enriching lawyers, all laws do is cost honest people lots of unnecessary expenditures. It is damned sad that the majority will never get it.
Yeah, Walter, I’ve always carried a pocket knife since I was a little kid.
We had this guy in our little Connecticut village my father called a ‘Jewish haberdasher.’ He was a great old guy. We used to buy our school clothes and shoes down at his shop on main street. One year he was giving out a Camillus pocket knife with with each pair of shoes bought. I carried that thing around with me for years; I still have it. (I even had it in my pocket during school days, which now might trigger a SWAT raid)
Now I have a British army pocketknife I traded for with a sailor from the HMS Ark Royal, a British aircraft carrier. i gave him a ships cap that said “USS Patterson”.
brh
brh
“As a lawmaker myself, I can guarantee to you all that laws are worthless as far as modifying the behavior of any human being that is incline to do bad things. ”
Absolutely, Walter. As testified by the (non-)effects of the death penalty in the US.
And also attested by the fact that it was not laws that got rid of the violent crime reputation that Glasgow used to have to live with, but lives with no more. Laws were nothing to do with it, so I’m entirely in agreement with you.
Laws don’t make the greedy pay their due taxes either on the whole.
Surprised to see Dannyboy got the boot. Kinda sorry to see him go as I rather enjoyed that witty New York Snark.
CFNers, don’t be too surprised if Thwack make an appearance in this comments section sooner rather than later.
brh
Are they the same guy or gal?
Indeed, this Bashar Al-Assad is not a ‘mental defective’.
I believe he is a medical doctor.
brh
Ophthalmologist
“I believe he is a medical doctor.”
*Was*.
It’s what makes his being a torturer of his own people even more disgusting.
But possibly he’s a victim of his own deep state. He didn’t choose to be president – it was rather foisted upon him. The deep state over there is a bit more ‘family’ than in the US, but deep state there probably is. And he’d possibly even have had difficulty saying ‘no thanks, guys, I’d really prefer to go back to the UK and practise medicine’.
But if he’d really had principles, knowing that the deep state would want the torturing of their own people to continue, he could have chosen the bravery of saying no. And the Russians would probably have spirited him and his family out if he’d really wanted to be spirited out. But he didn’t. And neither did they.
“Nothing’s off the table. If it’s Russia, if it’s Syria, if it’s Iran, if it’s all of them together, we’ll figure it out and we’ll know the answers quite soon.” — Donald John Trump, President and Commander in Chief of United States military forces
Nothing is off the table means a pre-emptive nuclear strike against Russia or Iran is not off the table. Nothing is off the table. Hope your garden is doing well and preparations have been made. We have been warned. Could happen later tonight or tomorrow.
My only comment is,
What ever happened to NOKO?
Janet, it is apparent that you despise Mr. Trump. I could not stand Barry Obama. But if you are honest and/or objective, which I would really like to see you be, all of what we have seen and are still seeing is all in the same vein, more war and a Middle East in total involvement. There is no real difference between Bush Sr., Bill Clinton, Bush Jr., Barry Obama, or Donald Trump, its all about the wars. Your assessment of a few hours being all it takes for the whole damn thing to blow up is sadly the way it is. They have been working this gig hard for many years, it is almost show time.
So if something BIG happens soon and for whatever reason we can no longer come to this place and do what we do with each other here, I would like to take this opportunity to tell you all, that even with all of the BS that goes airborne here form time to time, you people have been really, really special for me and I appreciate the time you all take to communicate here as you do. Thank you.
There is no real difference between Bush Sr., Bill Clinton, Bush Jr., Barry Obama, or Donald Trump, its all about the wars.–Walter B
Walter, I am in complete agreement with you with regard to wars. Follow the money. War is big business. It doesn’t matter who is in the White House… we will get our wars.
Link to Full Text of Smedley Butler’s “War is a Racket”
https://archive.org/stream/WarIsARacket/WarIsARacket_djvu.txt
“A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small “inside” group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.” –Smedley Butler
Janet,
We have our disagreements here, but my sentiments are 100% with you and Walter B on the subject of war and D.C. As a Viet era vet, MG Smedley Butler has long been a personal hero of mine. War is the biggest racket and con game of all.
Where oh where is our Smedley Butler in this critical moment of history? Could he even get airtime if he existed?
•Sticks-of-TNT
BB,
I love these people who know exactly what will happen in the future. Nobody knows the future, but I can assure you it isn’t going to be what anyone thinks.
/ I think you mean ‘no one knows the timing for various future events.’
Orwell and others had a sense of the future.
Certainly ‘the gold bugs’ have been wrong.
Gold was to go ‘to the moon’ by [insert date].
Give it time, Malth.
And you’ll have to admit for a long time now gold has held its value in the $1200-$1300 range.
Yes, I believe Thwack and Dannyboy are one and the same.
brh
They are.
And I’m GreenAlba.
Give it time, Malth.
and the cost of food for one person, for a year?
What are others paying for food?
pre-emptive nuclear strike against Russia
The Russian military command on April 8-9 announced a sudden alarm for Land, Air-Space and Air Defense forces.
In addition, as part of the training maneuvers, the Black Sea Fleet missile ships took to the sea to fulfill their assigned tasks.
Practically throughout the country there is a movement of military equipment, including tactical and operational deployment systems. The activity of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is most noticeable in the western part of Russia, near the borders with Ukraine and the Republic of Belarus, as well as in the Trans-Baikal Military District and in the Far East.
Missile complexes “Iskander” and air defense divisions have left the places of permanent deployment.
Separate sources report the deployment of command and control posts at the main military naval bases and military airfields.
The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation does not comment on the redeployment and movement of military units.
President Putin expressed his condolences to the cat Masyan in connection with the death of the cat Behemoth, nicknamed Nash Van Drake, but in connection with the missile attack on Syria and the seizure of documents from the Trump’s personal lawyer ordered to stop the search for Theresa May and Boris Johnson, who ordered the murder of the furry hero, and all search and rescue units to immediately relocated to the city of New York.
Looks like Israel hit Syria. If it turns out to be true, should Trump bomb them instead of Assad?
Alex Jones: Trump Being Threatened To Start WW3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXY8e8nHhH8
While Trump is sidetracked by Syria, Stormy is on the offensive. After Mueller’s team raided Trump’s attorney the New York federal prosecutors will be sifting through Cohen’s records in search of any evidence that he conspired with his primary client, the President of the United States, to commit a crime.
And the one thing we know for sure, a federal judge has reviewed the warrant application and has determined that there is “probable cause” to believe that Cohen’s law office records contain evidence of some kind of a serious crime: a crime so serious that this judge permitted a raid on the office of the President’s personal lawyer.
Something is up and President Trump’s latest musings about firing Mueller won’t make it go away. The new cop on this beat is Trump’s own appointee, US Attorney Berman, who like all federal prosecutors is ethically required to follow the evidence of a crime wherever it leads even if it leads into the Trump Tower.
But while Stormy is quietly taking down Trump, CFN can continue to discuss Syria. Maybe Pence is reading.
Anything to bring down Trump. And Avenatti is putting out the composite sketch of the “mystery man” along with a reward. Anything and everything to bring down the man who wants to set America right. Protect its borders and make it safe and strong.
This low slut blackmailed Trump just about a month before the election. She would have been whacked in other countries. She got paid and then reneged. A true blue, slimy, sleazy, sperm soaked slob of a slut.
An old fashioned love of country just doesn’t mean anything to the Left or the Deep State. Or it means too much and blocks their agenda.
“who like all federal prosecutors is ethically required to follow the evidence of a crime wherever it leads even if it leads into the Trump Tower.” How quaint and convenient. Ethical like Mueller and his referral, and the rest of his biased crew?
And Latino Trump basher Ana Navarro was all high and mighty tonight spouting off that no one, no one is above the law. I guess the Clinton’s are an exception. A Harlot and Hypocrite, more suited to doing house work.
We are now witness to the mocking and manipulation of Democracy and its exposed weakness on an unprecedented scale. A corrupt Mueller and an unspeakably low ho may now decide the fate of the presidency.
So swim in the Sewer of Sluts. Tear down the statues, erase our history and identity, open the borders, flood us with the refuse of other nations, denigrate whites, and destroy the nation. How can your Hell seem such a Heaven?
Trump must take control. Arrest hundreds on the Left. He may have the backbone but not the backing. Too bad. I hate to see our “Democracy” abused and used only to give power to those who least deserve it.
I hate to see our “Democracy” abused and used only to give power to those who least deserve it.
I think that was called the election of 2016. But worry not, we always have the best democracy money can buy.
Wasn’t it something called Comrades United? Would there be peace in the world if money could buy love?
Cole Porter had it on sale. What would it cost?
” What would it cost?
Tucson.
Cost…or price”
I am sure they are all reading this Janet, at least I hope they are, so let us give them something to think about. It is high time that we all got together and stopped complaining about Barak Obama or Donald Trump or whatever bobble-headed idiot is sitting on the dashboard of this nation. THEY are all the problem. They are all in it for themselves and the battles that they fight against one another at our expense not only solve NO problems, they actually create more. It has truly become the US verses THEM end game and while we are all pretty much powerless to stop, correct or even improve any of it, if we all stand together and send them a collective Sailor’s Salute, at least the narcissistic assholes on top of the crap pile will not be able to delude themselves any longer that they have fooled us all once again!
Looks like de Blasio’s anti gun message didn’t even reach his inner circle, and it took some shots from a car that reeked of Mary Jane.
https://nypost.com/2018/04/08/director-of-citys-office-of-criminal-justice-busted-for-gun-possession/
I mean, WTF doesn’t come close.
That is a great find tucson. Do you see it as evidence that the anti-gun people are actually creating at least some of the gun violence to promote their cause? Or is Mayor Pot Head simply guilty of surrounding himself with dipshits?
Why choose? Perhaps both!
Could be, but in this case I’ll go with dipshits.
What is Donald Trump waiting for? He has had ample time & opportunity to unseat Bashar Assad, the cadaverous madman of Syria. It has now been over one year since Mr. Trump took office and he has only recently appointed John Bolton as his National Security Advisor, an appointment which was long overdue. The War Party has waited long enough for President Trump to wage war in Syria and establish a larger involvement there of US forces to show Vladimir Putin who is BOSS in that corner of the world. We need to demonstrate forcefully that freedom & democracy are once again on the march after the shameful legacy of Barack Obama in his simpering appeasement of the Iranian mullahs.
Let us hope that the great American patriotic public rallies behind this project to end the brutality & savagery of the duly-elected tyrant of Syria, Bashar Assad, against his own people. We cannot simply stand by and allow the atrocities to continue unopposed. The White Helmets have faithfully reported instance after instance of one agonizing outrage after another against innocent civilians, old people, young mothers and helpless children, slaps in the face of all decency among all good-thinking people throughout the world. The pictures and video do not lie; they tell a tale of dastardly malice. It is incumbent on the US as the Exceptional Nation to — by any means necessary — attack the evil where it dwells.
Along with our partners in NATO and in the Middle East, we must ensure the survival of freedom & democracy and roll back the tide of encroaching EVIL. Yes, HISTORY will surely judge our actions, or rather inactions, if we do not come to the aid of the Innocents. Our brave WARRIORS stand ready — men, women & others — to take the fight with unblinking valor to the very palace gates of the cringing ophthamologist. I urge each & every one of you CFNers to email and call your senators & representatives in Congress and let them know how you feel.
Sincerely,
Tate
“Among them is journalist Vanessa Beeley. Her take on the group is stark – the White Helmets are a “propaganda construct,” supporting the “neo-colonialist” ambitions of Western powers and violent extremist groups operating in Syria. Moreover, she has collected documentation indicating the group plays an active, often armed role in the terrorist war on the government of Bashar al-Assad.
“Anyone who spends even a few hours in East Aleppo can collect a vast number of allegations about major, violent abuses carried out and/or supported by the White Helmets, including the use of human shields. Where Al Qaeda and Daesh go in the country, the group is sure to follow. Their support has been logistical too, monitoring Syrian and Russian forces’ flight patterns and the like,” Vanessa told Sputnik.”
https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201803121062324498-white-helmets-vanessa-beeley/
Vanessa’s suspicions about the White Helmets were initially perked by her discovery the group was founded in March 2013 not in Syria, but Turkey – and not by concerned local civilians, but James Le Mesurier, British private security specialist and former military intelligence officer.
While no mention of him is to be found on the White Helmets’ official website in 2018, Le Mesurier’s work in the UK armed forces took him to several far-flung theaters of conflict, including a spell as intelligence coordinator for Pristina City, Kosovo soon after the NATO intervention.
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“Along with our partners in NATO and in the Middle East, we must ensure the survival of freedom & democracy and roll back the tide of encroaching EVIL. Yes, HISTORY will surely judge our actions, or rather inactions, if we do not come to the aid of the Innocents. Our brave WARRIORS stand ready — men, women & others — to take the fight with unblinking valor to the very palace gates of the cringing ophthamologist. I urge each & every one of you CFNers to email and call your senators & representatives in Congress and let them know how you feel.
Sincerely,
Tate”
‘Tater,
It would behoove you to know that not everyone here is as eagerly cuing up for the next performance of The Theater of Cruelty (otherwise known as another “foreign policy blunder”) as you seem to be.
These dark days, one should be very careful what one wishes for. The study of “Who Benefits? 101” is the most important and instructive course in the world.
If I were to write those asshats a letter, it surely wouldn’t mirror your sentiments, and I’m quite surprised that you assume that it would. Strange and wonderful; it’s like magic. …But, urge away. It gives us the genuine flavor of your character… if your screed is sincere. (It’s really hard to tell, IMO.)
I would really like to say something earnest & discerning about Syria but the blatant stupidity that passes for solemn debate in this country makes for a serious obstacle. Yes, on this website you can hear all of that — sincere & discerning discussion about Syria — but can’t you hear the echoes? While we earnestly discuss, NO ONE IN POWER IS LISTENING. Things that you would think were obvious — and I’ve read a couple of good editorials (one by our host and the other by Pat Buchanan) the last few days that point out how clearly absurd this whole thing is, how the motivations don’t match up with the reality, how it looks like another monumental con-job by the “War Party” (i.e., neoconservatives & neoliberals alike) for a larger engagement in Syria is underway — things that point up just how gullible the American public is to these lies, I just don’t know what else to do but mock everything I hear.
What I would really urge each & every one of you CFNers to do is to cultivate your talents for snark & mockery & distance-keeping because honestly, one needs to consider one’s personal situation and need to maintain some balance in life. We might even need to do this for personal survival if things get as bad as I’m hoping they won’t.
You know btw, I could send that “screed” to ten people I know, and dollars to donuts, seven out of ten would take every word at face value.
‘Tater,
Good points all. …And thanks for clearing that up, screed-wise!
I suspected as much, but what with some of the blatant, scarily cruel stuff that gets posted here, I couldn’t be quite sure.
“While we earnestly discuss, NO ONE IN POWER IS LISTENING.”
As to that, it seems we’re being slowly accustomed to a downward spiral of powerlessness. While this is temporarily ‘good’ for those behind the curtain, before long the populace (usually in the form of the young and under-employed and underfed) gets tired of being milked and manipulated. This is a classic *Historical* mistake of overweening hubris by TPTB… and hopefully these psychos will never learn.
I suppose we rail about these things here just to be assured that we’re not totally alone in the wilderness, even though we may be scattered and few.
Good situation analysis, ozone. Gotta concur!
Seriously Tate? A man is now deemed “faithful” by the color helmet he is wearing” (good guys wear the white hats and bad guys wear black ones, isn’t that racist?). That is infantile at best. And pictures and videos do not lie? I think I am gonna puke! Every single UFO video is called CGI and ALL the pictures are called photo-shopped. If the glove don’t fit you got to acquit, really? How do people shovel such piles of horse shit about yesterday and than call it gold dust tomorrow? Does reality exist only in each individual mind according to what each dimwit desires? I’m getting dizzy now – this is unfriggenbelievable. Whenever some politician assholes runs for office he tells a bunch of lies, like when Barry Obama promised to end the war in Afghanistan and repeal the Patriot Act. Once elected he increased the number of troops in Afghanistan (and we are still there) and strengthened the Patriot Act. When I called him out as a liar for doing this to his supporters that I know they blew it off with a “Oh, everybody lies to get elected”, and they accepted it as SOP.
Let me tell you something about liars, though I am sure that you do not want to hear it. Once they are caught in a lie, they now become a liar and NOTHING they ever say again can be trusted, because after all, they are now liars. But I suppose the new American needs are to hear whatever it is that you want to hear and call it true, right? You believe the liars depending on what mood you are in, is that how it works? Damn, I have lived far too long, God help me deal with this insanity. Please!
Walter, I guess I’m gonna have to use the /sarc tag from now on.
I apologize, the same thing has happened to me. I think my mind short circuited when I thought I saw someone backing up this ridiculous excuse for more murder in the Middle East, especially Syria.
Still, what you wrote applies to far too many. Thankfully, not so much here in CFN-land, despite our differences! •TNT
Do you have any idea what will happen to the Ancient Christian Community in Syria if our ISIS allies win there? Mr Kunstler acknowledges this is the case as do many others – go back to the article if you’ve forgotten.
Mr Assad in contrast, is an Alawite, a small Shiite sect that somehow got control over Syria. For whatever reason, the Alawites are well favored towards Christianity. Mr Assad and his wife actually visit big Churches on Christmas Eve wishing everyone well.
And the Shia as a whole are less prone to Jihad it would seem. Baldly stated, Russia got the good Muslim allies and we got the scum. Our alliance with the murderers makes a lie out of any pretensions to nobility.
Well stated, JS!
But, but… duty-to-protect!!!
You know Janos, targeting Christians has not be popular for quite some time now, but was foretold to come back around as I am sure you remember….
“Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake”.
“men, women & others”
Ha ha!
Yeah, thanks. I don’t think many people got it even though I thought it was a dead giveaway.
I met one of the “others” a few years back at a martial arts seminar, an army physician at a nearby military base. Very weird experience sparring with a guy with breasts.
The Russians may have to sink one or more U.S navy ships in order to prove once and for all that their support of Assad in non negotiable.
just sayin.
In response to:
Tate April 10, 2018 at 3:00 am #
“Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?”
A small breach of etiquette, hopefully forgiven.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGy992rcAgU
I forgive you.
White Women have a propensity for Witchcraft. Witchcraft is what White Women are really good at.
If a White Woman was your mother, there’s a good chance that she was into Witchcraft.
Good thinking, Puck. And a Witch Queen never dies….
Following the US invasion of Iraq and before the Arab Spring, I read an interview that Assad had with a German news magazine. In the interview Assad complained about an impending demographic crisis that he saw coming due to the large number of unemployed young men in his country, a situation that was exacerbated by the large numbers of refugees from Iraq into his country, a refugee crises directly resulting from the US invasion of Iraq. Assad seemed to be asking the West for help to avoid the terrible crisis that has since ripped his country apart. Instead of helping him to maintain stability, we aided groups that opposed Assad, some of which metastasized into ISIS. Everything we have done in the Middle East in the past 20 years has made things worse. We should offer food and medicine, but not force, which will make the situation even worse. We should withdraw militarily from Syria. I think its strangely convenient for the hawks that this report of a gas attack has come out just after Trump expressed frustration with our presence in Syria.
Lots of use of the word ‘we’. Our self-perpetuating state department in conjunction with the rest of d-state is the moral vacuum who makes policy, not ‘we’. Our job is to stay out of the way and not pay attention to what they are doing is how ‘they’ see it. They are accountable to no one though the revolving clown in charge, currently Trump always thinks they are in charge because they get to play a few musical chair games with the staff.
I clicked on your name and am enjoying what you write. Welcome.
One thing you wrote: Doesn’t the fact that people in a generally happy, prosperous, and family friendly nation are choosing to reduce their numbers even in the face of policies encouraging the growth of families provide a ray of hope for our long term future?
No because there are those who won’t participate and who will have the children you won’t have. It has to be full global participation and that is not going to happen and is impossible. All you can do is provide incentives but then you have irresponsible people out-breeding the responsible for no net gain.
Assad never had a chance getting along with America. Too much old baggage and people in charge here want failed states so America can play last man standing. Those in charge in America see foreign relations as a zero sum game. It is convenient for them to do so. Seeing it that way justifies their logic that the end justifies any means including death. Their logic is flawed but they don’t see it. They assume that the world is without memory and that they can do what they do without any repercussion.
Mohammed had two periods of ministry. The first was benevolent, Jesus-like, teaching compassion and love to the Arabic tribes. When that did not work, his ministry turned toward the credo of conquest and conversion that we see in the Quran. That may be the reason that Islam seems to have a split personality, its creator, trying to get his message out utilized two forms of persuasion. As Muslims do today.
The US is out to lunch relative to the ME. Autocracy is the name of the game in Islam. Their governments are a theocracy, look at Iran. The British reorganization of the Ottoman Empire was probably one of the dumbest decisions ever conceived. Trying to Westernize the region and make it secular was dumb, dumb, dumb. It has resulted in a parade of dictators holding onto power by brute force with very little support from the people. The US are hypocrites as we believe that the government is of, by and for the people. Oh no not in the ME. Nothing that might interrupt the flow of oil.
An international commission should re-divide the region along lines created by the ethnic groups present. If Sunnis and Shias do not want to co-exist so be it. If Kurds want to form their own nation, so be it. Forcing the existence of phony national borders will just perpetuate the ongoing wars. Good old British divide and conquer, Machiavelli would be proud. Unfortunately, in today’s world, it does not work anymore. Are you ready for this? Separate the ethnic regions by plebiscite, separate the folks accordingly and then build a tall beautiful Wall. Sound familiar?
Sidebar
Divide and conquer. Sounds like what the DS is doing to try to control the electorate here. I hope it fails. Could it be that at the Federal level Dems and GOP are actually working together to divide us to control us? Just askin’.
My conclusions that are based on quite reliable information are in the ordinary font, my guesses, based on intuition and artistic truth, are shared in italics, and conspiracy is highlighted in bold.
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When it became known that the missiles struck the Syrian military airfield, Trump thought that the Clintonoids again found a pilot or commander of the ship, who was insane enough to believe that President Trump would be arrested on Monday and could not ask of him for his artistry.
But when, after that, it became known that an explosion occurred on the helicopter carrier Tripoli, a panic began in the White House, as everyone decided that Russia had fulfilled its promise and, in response to the bombing of Syria, began to sink the 6th Fleet of US Navy. An alternative version suggested that the 6th Fleet began to be sunk in retaliation for the Skrypal cat burnt by the order of Theresa May, but then Putin called Trump and reassured him, saying that Israeli aircraft had fired at the Syrian airfield.
They began to discuss in more details that a Black Project has gained strength in Israel, which thus attempted to provoke a nuclear war between Russia and the United States, and that attempts to put Netanyahu in jail are connected precisely with this, as Netanyahu brazenly negotiates with Russia on delineation of flights in Syria, showing reluctance to fight there on the side of the Islamists, and also continues to celebrate the Victory Day with Russia on May 9, instead of celebrating it on May 8, when a separate peace was concluded between Allen Dulles and Himmler for joint action against Stalin’s Russia.
And then Trump brought up an intelligence report on the Middle East and the Eastern Mediterranean and he told Putin that the Jews had long planned this operation in order to test their ability to suppress the Russian Electronic Warfare units, which so well knocked off the course the American tomahawks a year ago, and took the opportunity, to force the Russians to use all their capabilities.
In addition, the report stated that a helicopter carrier Tripoli experienced a just a small fire in the engine room, but Trump did not tell Putin about this, and Putin did not tell him that when he had learned about the explosion on a helicopter carrier, he thought that this time Clinton might not order to bomb Syria, but decided to provoke a nuclear war by simulating the attack of the Russian missiles on the 6th Fleet.
Therefore, he ordered the change of all launch codes on hypersonic missiles Kinzhal (Dagger) that were prepared for the complication of the situation in Syria, and for the cat Masyan, he expressed his condolences in connection with the death of her companion, but ordered the search of Theresa May and Boris Johnson to be dropped and to urgently relocate to the USA to the city of New York.
BRAKING NEWS
There are no reports of protests or any march for peace. One Jain spokesman is of the opinion that the “Chicken hawks” have consumed all of the doves.
“If it’s war they want, it’s war they’ll get”.
Canadians split over accepting Dreamers from U.S., survey finds
Angus Reid survey finds most Canadians say DACA program should remain, but fewer would welcome those displaced
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/angus-reid-daca-canada-1.4610656
“A national public opinion research foundation, based out of Vancouver, says the majority of Canadians believe the U.S. should preserve a program allowing the children of undocumented migrants to remain in the country, while far fewer are willing to receive those who may become displaced.
“A new public opinion survey from the Angus Reid Institute finds 64 per cent of Canadians say America’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program should remain.
“DACA was created in 2012 under former Democratic president Barack Obama. ?People who reside in the U.S. under the program are often called ‘Dreamers’ after the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act (DREAM).
“It was designed for individuals brought to the United States as children by parents who were undocumented immigrants — the program shielded the individuals from deportation and gave them work permits.
“Dreamers are allowed to live in the U.S. providing they graduate from school and have no criminal record, but DACA has been under attack recently from U.S. President Donald Trump.”
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Well, that’s it — the Canadians have spoken. You guys should keep DACA. Glad we could clear that up for you.
I’ll let myself out.
Will you take Trump?
Would the sitting POTUS really be looking to immigrate to Canada? Seems unlikely.
Based on current events, it’s looking like it would be more of a request for asylum. I’m sure our rules in that regard would be applied prudently and fairly.
I was hoping he could be induced.
Canadians split over accepting Dreamers from U.S., survey finds
That is so funny and sad.
Yeah, will you take Trump? I just love this moral preening. Tell me Elrond, the US has somewhere north of ten million illegal immigrants. How many? Nobody really knows, the most commonly cited figure is eleven million.
So, if Canadians are on a more elevated moral plane, that is, one of uncommon generosity and compassion, would you be willing to take a proportionate share of America’s illegal immigrants?
That would be something north of one million people. Send an email to Justin. Ask him. You can start a GoFundMe campaign or something, to raise money for transport and feeding and accommodation of the teeming multitude.
And, no doubt, America would be happy and it might grease the skids for the NAFTA deal. You know, Canada may get a better outcome.
But heaven forfend we make this an issue of national interest.
postscript: re proportionality.
I just read an article about illegal immigration. And the question was posed as to what the reaction would be from Vicente Fox or Jorge Ramos to an influx of millions of illegal African or Chinese immigrants into Mexico. Lefties won’t like the source, NR, nor the author, Victor Davis Hanson, but the question isn’t invalidated by who wrote it. In this age of baloney and bullshit I’ll get logic where I find it.
Still waiting for a response from Elrond. Maybe he’s still writing the email to Justin. Hopefully we’ll see a copy.
volodya: Now that I have your attention, would it surprise you to learn that 87% of Americans also want DACA recipients to stay in the U.S.? Because they do:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/369487-poll-nearly-nine-in-10-favor-allowing-daca-recipients-to-stay
I never claimed that Canadians exist on a “higher moral plane”; I only shared the results of a survey. Also, can you explain how an opinion shared by 7 out of 8 Americans counts as ‘moral preening’? ‘Cause that sounds like B.S. to me.
What’s more, you won’t go far in life if you can’t keep your head straight about facts. (Well, Donald Trump did, but you’re not Donald Trump — count your blessings!) The survey was about DACA recipients, not about all illegal migrants in the U.S.A. DACA recipients equals about 800,000 people, not 11 million, which you should know if you read the article. Nor is anyone proposing that Canada accept all DACA recipients; one member of Canada’s Senate has proposed accepting 30,000:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-could-gain-from-daca-move-1.4276201
We have Google nowadays. Finding information like that is dead easy if you give a shit about what’s true.
Going back to the main point, the problem certainly isn’t Canadians or our ‘moral preening’. Nor is there any dispute that 11 million people are currently in the United States illegally. The question is whether the United States has any honour at all. Forget the 11 million, focus on the 800,000. These are people who, by definition, did not choose the situation they’re currently in — their parents brought them in. There is a straightforward, humane solution, which is favoured by nearly 9 out of 10 Americans, but instead they’re getting screwed for political reasons — because of hysterical reactions like yours, and many others’. This makes me and many others sick, in the U.S., in Canada, and around the world. You can call that reaction ‘moral preening’ if you want.
Yeah, yeah, the survey was about DACA. Yeah, yeah, you shared the results of a survey.
Sorry Elrond, your ploy is most transparent. Face it Elrond, your comment was intended to show the moral deficiencies of the US. Or to put it another way, the moral superiority of Canada, or you wouldn’t have posted it.
The DACA issue makes you sick? The moral purity I see emanating from Canada’s great centers of enlightenment makes me laugh Elrond. Canadians, being as blind as can be to their own depravities, see no problem with pronouncing on others.
Take a look at the de-facto system of apartheid in Canada embodied by the third-world shit-holes you call reservations. And let’s not forget the monumental theft of land from the ancestors of those same people that live in those same reservations. But of course, those reservations are located in far-off places where the ethically upright don’t go. Out of sight, conveniently out of mind.
Every society is uniquely good at something. The Swiss invented the cuckoo-clock. But the only thing I can think of that’s uniquely Canadian is the high-art to which hypocrisy is raised. Not even Americans are as good at it. Oh, and self-deception, the ONLY thing that Canadians are world-class at is self-deception.
Four million square miles Elrond. That’s a lotta land that got scoffed and a lotta native lives that were lost and ruined. Canada has got great big moral issues to deal with. Moral issues on a par with the obscenities of WW2. Issues that have not even REMOTELY been dealt with.
So, do tell Elrond, how about it? How about taking a million illegals off the hands of the US? Or, if it suits you better, take in the DACA kids. Show your moral superiority.
volodya,
Move over Nanook of the North…
Make way for José Jimenéz:
“Bill Dana as José Jimenéz on The Ed Sullivan Show”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kPnaaHR9pLc
Who knows, maybe next will be a Canadian space program and a man (of color!) on the moon. Or Mars! Think of the possibilities! (“Survey says… “)
Now we’re talking real national superiority. Reverse that South bound brain drain.
All aboard the diversity train, O Canada, we stand on guard for thee!
volodya: “Face it Elrond, your comment was intended to show the moral deficiencies of the US.”
And why not? When I see people doing something wrong, I think they should stop doing it, and sometimes I speak up about it. What do you do?
volodya: “Or to put it another way, the moral superiority of Canada, or you wouldn’t have posted it.” (Emphasis added.)
Wrong. Read the original article again: the survey says “64 per cent of Canadians say America’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program should remain.” Then let me remind you that in the second article, it says: “almost 9 in 10 [American] respondents — 87 percent — said they believe that the so-called Dreamers should be allowed to remain in the U.S.” if they meet certain requirements. Emphasis mine.
Of course posting the article was a provocation, but if my intention was to ‘show the moral superiority of Canada’, then I have clearly failed. The USA has us beat — there is far more support for DACA in the USA than there is in Canada. Which is interesting, frankly, since it’s Americans who have something at stake far more than Canadians do. What that says to me is nearly 90 percent of Americans do indeed have a sense of honour regarding people who were mere children when circumstances put them in an untenable position. Nearly 90 percent, but not all — not those in government, and not present company, apparently.
volodya: “Take a look at the de-facto system of apartheid in Canada embodied by the third-world shit-holes you call reservations.”
I have. As recently as two weeks ago. On this site. At some length, actually. Here’s the link:
http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/the-unspooling/#comment-344799
Did you click it, volodya? Make sure you click the link and read for yourself.
volodya: “[T]he only thing I can think of that’s uniquely Canadian is the high-art to which hypocrisy is raised”.
What you see is an effort by me to live, in a small way, without that hypocrisy. The links I’ve provided are some of the evidence. My arguments are my arguments, and my conclusions are my conclusions.
volodya: “If it suits you better, take in the DACA kids. Show your moral superiority.”
Like I mentioned previously, there’s a proposal on the table to accept up to 30,000 Dreamers. 30,000 ain’t nothing, boyo, and we’ll see what happens in the event. Meanwhile, all your strenuous finger pointing and foaming-at-the-mouth what-aboutism conceals the fact that you still haven’t answered my question: does America have any honour? Or will you really fuck over 800,000 people?
Does America have any honor?
Makes me laugh, coming from the free-rider. For a multitude of reasons, the ONLY reason Canada exists is because of America, American money and investment and goodwill.
Without the US Canada would be sticks. Canada is there at the sufferance of the US. If it was any other people living to the south of your border Canada would have the life-expectancy of a moth in a bon-fire.
Four million square miles Elrond. Monumental crimes committed Elrond, a multitude of native lives snuffed, the survivors left in degradation.
So, to the point, for all Canada’s stern finger-pointing, does Canada have any honor?
“What you see is an effort by me to live, in a small way, without that hypocrisy”
Elrond,
Without hypocrisy?…certainly without personal cost….
The question regarding DACA is not one of morality, but rather politics. Why pound your chest over the morality when it does not enter the equation?
Does America have any honor? Will you really fuck over 800,000 people?
Not much
Yes, if politically expedient.
Congratulations, elysianfield, for actually speaking to the point when others wouldn’t.
And you’re right, it costs me nothing to run my mouth. Is that supposed to suggest that the more I devote myself to activism on matters that I’ve opinionated about, the more you’ll approve? Somehow I don’t think that’s how it works.
Elrond,
I was not attempting to demean you in any way, rather to suggest, however, that those who seek relative utopian ideals rarely have to suffer consequences of their social experiments.
Utopian ideals, for a very large part, attempt to ignore human traits that are hardwired and will not be changed.
Hilarity rarely ensues….
One man’s utopian ideals are, for another man, simply calling right and wrong by their right names. You should feel reassured by people whose ideals cost them little or nothing, elysianfield. It’s the true believers, the ones out there meddling with the primary forces of nature, who cause all the havoc.
At any rate, a man’s gotta know what he stands for, in the event it really does come to a shit fight.
The original intent of NAFTA as conceived by Reagan’s group was to make a trade bloc to compete with the up and coming Asian bloc and the EU. It was a great idea, administer from the US, natural resources from Canada and labor in Mexico. Sounded great until the Deep State and the greed merchants got involved. I saw this happen as it happened. The corporations did start moving toward Mexico, but then something changed. Corporations stated becoming international and disconnecting from US or NAFTA affiliation and the corperwhores took work from Mexico and moved it to Asia. Son of a gun, the economic pendulum swung away from NAFTA and towards China. Manufacturing is the core of any economy, is now and always will be. And yes, the corperwhores with their lobbyists in the Deep State are responsible for the mess we are in now. NAFTA would have been a grand thing if it had been executed the way it was envisioned. Number one, there would not be a need for borders to the north or south as trade and commerce would free flow and people would move back and forth as needed. Two, China would not have reaped the benefits of the antipatriotism of the elite corperwhores and we would be competing as a North American unit. Three, wealth would have moved south and north instead of west, Latinos would be staying at home now with their own opportunities. Lastly, climate change is going to move agriculture north, the fluid movement of human capital should be able to follow it without borders.
Look for the flow of greed in the elite, they have almost succeeded in destroying America. I hope Trump can resurrect NAFTA and suppress the greed merchants.
With the am-nastied, the dreamers, the wetbacks and their progeny–It is 60? million.
Actually Volodya, there has been portent of things to come here in Minnesota. Last year, and earlier this winter, thousands of illegal immigrants crossed by foot illegally from Minnesota into small towns in Manitoba. Many of them were Somalis. It got much more news coverage in Canada, then in the US. These people were afraid they would get deported by the US because of Trump’s pronouncements.
You can google articles about it happening. I’m very happy they are gone. Canada can pay big money (and they will) for these people. In fact Canada can subsidize as many people as they want. I think its great.
In places like Emerson, Manitoba, where many of these people were showing up they’d knock on doors wanting shelter in very cold conditions. The people at first there were happy to do it, but then became fatigued by it, and stopped being as hospitable.
The Bush/Obama regime was so effective in obliterating the Middle East it is hard to figure what else the Deep State thinks is left to do there.
Maybe not much left in the Middle East but there’s other places to fuck up, West Africa for instance.
Ol Scratch
My university education got only as far as an undergrad degree. But I spent my career in the business world. What I found was that in the business world in general – and not just with those people with MBA degrees – aggression and abrasiveness was mistaken for intelligence. And a disregard for risk was seen as an essential attribute. But I wouldn’t say that this is necessarily only a result of a business education or indoctrination as you put it. I think it’s also an indication of people generally deficient in the intellectual realm. What gets popped out modern-day birth canals no longer seems to have the ability to accurately assess complex situations.
See, anyone in the workplace who raised his finger and said “but” was seen as tiresome, a pussy, a grind, someone to toss overboard at the earliest possible moment. So, if you valued your career and your steady stream of income, you shut up. Blind enthusiasm for the course of action was required, no matter how cockamamie. Lead, follow or get out of the way was the motto. Witless, but there it is.
Where does this deficiency comes from? Maybe it indicates a degrading genome. Maybe it stems from an utterly undemanding educational system that just doesn’t test the cranial capacities of its students. Maybe it’s a yahoo culture that takes its cue from Hollywood blockbuster movies, you know, Daniel Craig and Tom Cruise performing impossible feats of agility and strength and maybe this yahoo-ism gets brought over into the business world.
What ever it is, the results – a depleted and pillaged economy – speak for themselves.
This discussion started with the shortcomings of our “expert” class. And they show no signs of slowing down.
volodya,
I have a slightly different take on it. This aggression & abrasiveness that you see so common in the business world and which has penetrated to every nook of our society it seems, is the result of corporatism, which is to say it’s the result of an asymmetry in our system of rewards & punishments.
In the modern corporation, the incentives are asymmetrically distributed relative to the disincentives. Those who forge ahead recklessly have no skin in the game except their time & energy. They don’t suffer the material losses when things go south. (The typical executive suite occupant just moves on to the next plundering.) But they disproportionately enjoy the material rewards when things go their way through options, bonuses & generous severance packages. Those who fit the profile will be highly intelligent, have little conscience, and most importantly, be willing to devote their entire lives to their careers (80 hrs+ workweeks), jettisoning their personal lives and their families and even their health in the process. The system is perfectly designed for this psycho-pathological profile to advance to the top.
The system of incentives-disincentives are a factor, no doubt about it. My own experience with the “profile” as you put it, would de-emphasize intelligence as a factor but I fully agree with the rest of it. But what they lack in intelligence they make up with “charisma” for lack of a better word, getting people to follow them unquestioningly, even over a cliff.
The reason I take issue with “intelligence” is the seeming inability to learn from mistakes. I see the same shit over and over.
The reason I take issue with “intelligence” is the seeming inability to learn from mistakes. I see the same shit over and over. — volodya
But that’s just the point I was trying to make. Their mistakes have no consequences for them so of course they don’t learn from them. A psychopath will only learn from his mistakes if he is personally injured.
Hmmm, could have sworn I closed off the italics at “over and over.”
Well, ladies and germs;
As reported on the Raconteur Report this AM (excellent rant this morning)…South Carolina has put a bill into motion that will allow the state to secede from the Union if the 2nd Amendment is egregiously violated.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/south-carolina-secession-us-violates-second-amendment-takes-guns-civil-war-a8294251.html
It seems I recall reading of another incident involving South Carolina and secession….
It’s deja vu all over again – Yogi Berra
History doesn’t repeat but it sure does rhyme – Mark Twain?
Yeah, but that was 157 years ago. Today’s world is a lot different. What with all the military action we’re involved in in the rest of the world, there’s no mighty army left here to fight against secession – Civil War 2 just could go the states’ way. I might live to see several new countries in North America.
When the western empire started to cave in, Rome withdrew its legions from the empire’s extremities.
It didn’t forestall collapse but this could be what the US does, it brings home the legions. But the big question remains, will it stave off disassembly of the American inland empire? Nobody knows how the trailer-park soldier boy will react when ordered to level his rifle at other trailer-park boys.
My own guess is that the soldier boy will lose his appetite for killing his own. Then there’s the question of what the colonels will do. My guess is that there will be chaos within the military with units lining up for and against national authority.
And the USA is a really big territory with a really big population, heavily armed, and in numerical terms, a relatively small military. ie 330 millllion vs 2 million.
That’s where the foreign troops come in. Or the Feminist, Tranny, Minority ones. That’s where it get interesting. Will White troops then quit and fight against the alien and perverted minions of the Deep State?
Read the novels of Matt Bracken.
Oh great. Yet another thinly-veiled rant against California. I see what you’re up to with your “western empire” and “Inland Empire”,
and your reference to “trailer park boys’. If you continue to engage in the (ever popular) bashing of the Golden State,
we’re going to have to cut off your supply of Pom Wonderful, and your croissants will hereafter be sans almond!
“My own guess is that the soldier boy will lose his appetite for killing his own. Then there’s the question of what the colonels will do. My guess is that there will be chaos within the military with units lining up for and against national authority. ”
I think (or hope) they’d blow up DC & the pentagon first before shooting people in places like Columbia, Missouri or Helena, Montana.
elysianfield,
As one wag reportedly said pre-Fort Sumter, “South Carolina is too small for a republic and too large for an insane asylum.”
The more things change, the more they stay the same!
•Sticks-of-TNT
And that one did not turn out well.
I’m going to miss them.
“Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me, the old saying goes. So, tread carefully through the minefields of propaganda”
The American people keep on believing the same old lies generation after generation. The Government says it, the news media keeps repeating it without even a pretense of investigating or questioning it, and the people keep buying it without a single thought. That is why we are involved in wars all over the world, and the Middle East is a total mess which huge numbers of refugees are trying to flee.
We have no interest whatever in Syria and should not be there. Just get out like Trump claimed we would do and leave the mess to the Russians.
Joseph Goebbels wrote: “The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.” Substitute “American” for English” and he would be proud of our government! The OSS analyzed Hitler with the following: “people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it”. his fits the present US Government, and the intelligence of many of the American people, like a glove
Just heard on the news that Mark Zuckerberg is preparing for his upcoming testimony by memorizing flashcards with human emotions written on them.
The most important issue before the committee will be if Zuckerberg dresses appropriately for his meeting in the Senate: in the iconic sartorial sarcasm of grey t-shirt under a grey hoodie with dungarees and sneakers.
“You cannot hold me accountable for stealing everyone’s information and selling it without any permission because I dress and act like a fucking juvenile delinquent. I am not responsible for Fakebook’s actions… A.I. and evil programmers are.”
I’m hoping for a repeat of that “sweating like a ****** writing a letter” (as my racist cousin used to say) episode when Wall Mossberg of the Wall Street Journal interviewed him at his tech conference years ago. (I’m sure it can still be found on YouTube.) He was wearing that same t-shirt and hoodie attire back then and finally had to take the hoodie off in an effort to keep from washing away in his flood of perspiration. The guy came off like a complete dweeb in way over his head. Now, at least a decade later, like his wardrobe, some things never change.
Personally, I’m hoping for a complete meltdown and wardrobe malfunction encore. If he had any sense, he would have sent Cheryl Sandburg.
The guy is a menace to our liberty. (And I’m not even on FaceBag.)
•Sticks
“Mark Zuckerberg Most Awkward Interview About Privacy (CRINGE)”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jVSRPrf6SoA
In a hurry? A little shorter version that cuts right to the money shot:
“D8 Interview Video: Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G4XGbZ7IrC8
Is it this guy or the Deep State intelligence community that is the threat. The NSA is monitoring and corrupting personal data much more than Facebook. What did Facebook do that the GOP or DNC or Russia or China haven’t done for decades. The only difference is that they are private sector and getting rich. Another witch hunt by the Deep State. And by the way, no tee shirt or hoodie, he looks great with his blue tie.
I guess Sandburg hired a wardrobe consultant for the Zuckster (rhymes with ‘huckster ‘) Charm school, too. I suppose there’s medication for the perspiration problem.
Maybe the Deep State started Facebook and Google? We know the NSA shares office space there. It’s just all in the family!
“I’m not a conspiracy theorist;
I’m a conspiracy analyst.”
-Gore Vidal
“What is Donald Trump waiting for?” –Tate
He is still trying to figure out how to respond to North Korea after his “fire and fury” … the likes of which the world has never seen … comment made months ago. Trump is a paper tiger. All hat no cattle. Probably not even a millionaire. He only has a few more months. Blue tsunami coming.
Any color other than blue or red. Third party, anyone.
Tucker Carlson hits it out of the park on Syria. He is the last sane man on TV. As he says, when Lindsay Graham and Howard Dean (the peace candidate) agree, you know something wicked this way comes. Mika and Joe are on board too. Everyone is. This is demonic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSGf2ZpDENU
Tucker’s logic is insurmountable. Even the usually level headed are often trapped by it. The dangerously muddle headed have no chance.
Janos
The Deep State wants discord in the ME. Divide and conquer. Keep everyone back on their heels to keep that oil flowing. It was started in WW1 and continues to today. It is to the best interests of the DS to keep that area at much in an uproar as possible.
What would happen to the Deep State if they held a war and no one came? Almost happened in the 60’s and 70’s.
I posed this question to K-Dog above, and I liked it so much I’m going to repeat it.
Would there be peace in the world if money could buy love?
Forgive the departure into the fanciful. But with departures we have arrivals. Most of the time.
I have not seen it up there yet. At lunchtime on the West Coast going to get a burger and using my I-Phone in a tavern where at times I am certain money has bought love.
I’m joking this place has live music and good food. It is run by women. Last Chance Tavern, Seattle.
I don’t see money the same way many people do. I have to say no. But it helps.
I have to say no also. Here love is meant in the usual, general sense. How to quantify it. Is it worth its weight in gold? What weight?
People have love, but governments seem dispossessed.
Markets arise, Love is possibly cornered. And humans run the gamut-angels to devils. Many will sell Love short. Love bonds, Love futures, etc.?
The hateful will buy it up, from the Liquid Love Fund, give it to everyone, then control those filled with Love. Something like Huxley’s Soma. Okay, enough silliness.
Oh yeah, titillating tavern Love! Last Chance has that nice Vegas ring to it.
Best chili in town. I like the Verde!
“Would there be peace in the world if money could buy love?”
NO. There will be no peace on earth until people shut down all religions which are the original source of the Us vs Them dynamic that has generated distrust, fear, loathing, hate, killing and genocide since time began.
Every televangelist and mega church preacher is a con man preaching the enemy is at the gate! Circle the wagons! Hide your wives! Gird for holy battle! Onward christian soldiers! And the closer, of course, send money so we can fight the power!. Send money. Send money. Mo money. God is all powerful … but he’s always dead broke.
Religions sow nothing but fear about gays in YOUR kid’s school restrooms; abortionists ripping crying babies from women’s wombs and killing them; and government goons coming fer all yer gunz. Fear. Fear. Fear. Send money so we can fight the power! It goes on and on and the damned idiots keep shouting HALLELUJAH and throw their money in the collection plates….save me…save me
Nothing will change until people see that it is religion which enslaves them.
The religion of Atheist Communism killed more than a hundred million in the 20th Century, but still you are not satisfied!
Send money. Mo money. God is all powerful … but he’s always dead broke.
MPOV,
Great comment…I will re-post it shamelessly….
MPOV, it sounds like you have far too much time on your hands.
A statement from me.
I despise the evil side of the Deep State and will disagree with anyone that supports any action by the governmental elite. The people of this country are losing the battle with the power merchants in DC. Vote anti Deep State. The Dem GOP battle is much less important, the collusion between the parties in DC is our real enemy.
On the Syria question I support Tucker Carlson and Donald Trump. Bring the troops home now! This has been my consistent position for all the wars I have protested, from Vietnam to Iraq. War is obviously not the answer.
Yes Janet, time to bring the troops home to protect the borders, airports, seaports and citizens of the U.S.A.
Let all the warring factions; political, religious, economic, racial…… of the world kill each other to their heart’s content. Til they are no more.
Finally: Peace through superior firepower.
“He only has a few more months.” –Janet
Unless he fires Mueller, like FoxNews is urging him to do. Then Trump would be impeached immediately.
Until he fires Mueller the Deep State will prevail. Until he has the cojones to extricate the abcess that is the Mueller investigation, the Elite will continue to run the corrupted government. He will probably risk impeachment if he dumps the guy, but that is part of his committment to Drain the Swamp.
Horse Face must be led to the glue factory. The moment is pivotal and full of dire consequences.
The Left is well on the road to regaining power, but sadly the path to firing Mueller is full of complications and booby traps.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-mueller-factbox/factbox-how-might-trump-remove-special-counsel-in-russia-probe-idUSKBN1HH066
Tucson spur
The Left never lost it. They own the heart of the Deep State and have had thirty years to entrench themselves.
Down with Boxer!
A senator just asked Zuckerberg if he thought Facebook is a better protector of personal data than the Federal Government . His answer was yes.
What the hell does Zuckerberg know about anything. He built a college software tool to chase girls, that’s as far as his intellect goes. He knows nothing.
Actually he stole it
Zuckerberg’ s crew owns the mindset of the US. And the DS hates it. Read up on the psychologists describing the addiction of the younger set to all forms of social media. This country unfortunately needs to be knocked on its butt to get its priorities in order.
Ours is more, much more, than a state of failure like Syria, or Iraq, or Shitholistan.
Ours has become a state of paranoia.
Ours is a state of delusion.
Ours is a state of greed.
Ours is a state of neurosis. Worry about the imaginary things and never caring about the grave threats.
Ours is a state of danger and fear and mistrust.
A state of unreality in the grip of control by unseen Evil Powers.
Ours is now a state of psychosis. Hallucinations and disordered thoughts clog the consciousness of the whole world.
A state of being that defiles and rots each and every one of us.
When is it that we shall have had enough of this state of disorder?
Hear! Hear!
What happened today in Queer History? Professor Bronski of Harvard says that there were Queers exploring with Columbus and Queer Conquistadors.
“Queers exploring with Columbus and Queer Conquistadors.”
Puck,
Not to mention the Queers who travelled with Magellan… Invented “Round the World”…explorers, indeed…philosophers, too.
Once a philosopher…
Twice a pervert….~ Voltaire
This book won the Stonewall Book Award. I’ve been to the Stonewall Gay Bar in New York City. The Stonewall Gay Bar is highlighted on the “Gay History Trail” of historic Gay Historic Landmarks in the US.
Michael Bronski
A Queer History of the United States (ReVisioning American History)
Winner of a 2012 Stonewall Book Award in nonfiction
The first book to cover the entirety of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender history, from pre-1492 to the present.
In the 1620s, Thomas Morton broke from Plymouth Colony and founded Merrymount, which celebrated same-sex desire, atheism, and interracial marriage. Transgender evangelist Jemima Wilkinson, in the early 1800s, changed her name to “Publick Universal Friend,” refused to use pronouns, fought for gender equality, and led her own congregation in upstate New York. In the mid-nineteenth century, internationally famous Shakespearean actor Charlotte Cushman led an openly lesbian life, including a well-publicized “female marriage.” And in the late 1920s, Augustus Granville Dill was fired by W. E. B. Du Bois from the NAACP’s magazine the Crisis after being arrested for a homosexual encounter. These are just a few moments of queer history that Michael Bronski highlights in this groundbreaking book.
Intellectually dynamic and endlessly provocative, A Queer History of the United States is more than a “who’s who” of queer history: it is a book that radically challenges how we understand American history. Drawing upon primary documents, literature, and cultural histories, noted scholar and activist Michael Bronski charts the breadth of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender history, from 1492 to the 1990s, and has written a testament to how the LGBT experience has profoundly shaped our country, culture, and history.
A Queer History of the United States abounds with startling examples of unknown or often ignored aspects of American history—the ineffectiveness of sodomy laws in the colonies, the prevalence of cross-dressing women soldiers in the Civil War, the impact of new technologies on LGBT life in the nineteenth century, and how rock music and popular culture were, in large part, responsible for the devastating backlash against gay rights in the late 1970s. Most striking, Bronski documents how, over centuries, various incarnations of social purity movements have consistently attempted to regulate all sexuality, including fantasies, masturbation, and queer sex. Resisting these efforts, same-sex desire flourished and helped make America what it is today.
At heart, A Queer History of the United States is simply about American history. It is a book that will matter both to LGBT people and heterosexuals. This engrossing and revelatory history will make readers appreciate just how queer America really is.
Review
“In the age of Twitter and reductive history, we need a complex, fully realized, radical reassessment of history—and A Queer History of the United States is exactly that. Along the way, there are enough revelations and reassessments to fuel dozens of arguments about how we got to where we are today. I don’t know when I have enjoyed a history so much.”—Dorothy Allison, author of Bastard Out of Carolina
“Bronski has that rare ability to comprehensively synthesize a large body of material without simplifying or distorting it, taking as much care with historical evidence as with the shifts in language necessary to accurately understand it. Equally prudent with his definitions and generalizations, the result is a thoroughly accessible and reliable account that is as deeply informative as it is pleasurable to read.”—Martin Duberman, Distinguished Professor of History Emeritus, City University of New York
“This book is a revelation. Its lively and engaging narrative peels back layers of cultural interconnection—from the creation of corn flakes to curb masturbation to Bette Midler’s rise to stardom that started at a gay bathhouse—and much more. Bronski has a Zinn-like grasp of the ties that bind us all together and how to illuminate them on the page.”—Jewelle Gomez, activist and author of The Gilda Stories
“Bronski demonstrates with wit, insight, and impeccable scholarship that queer lives are, and always have been, woven into the very fabric of this country. Readable, radical, and smart—a must read.”—Alison Bechdel, author of Fun Home
“Elegant, insightfully selective, and unremittingly intelligent, Bronski’s survey—of the whys and the ways queer people’s work and struggle have been integral in forming what we call ‘the Uni…
About the Author
Michael Bronski is professor of practice in media and activism in the Women, Gender, and Sexuality Program at Harvard University. He has written extensively on LGBT issues for four decades, in both mainstream and queer publications, and is the author of three other books and editor of several anthologies.
Queers love to smear others as queer. I never heard that about Thomas Morton and I don’t believe it. I certainly hope it’s not true. I’ve always identified with Morton “who so mocked the Puritans with his flushed handsome face and his hate of the godly” (either Irving or Hawthorne). Elrond and Alba are modern day PC Puritans and I dearly love to mock them, “godly” being in this case, their absurd PC belief system.
Morton went too far though. Not only did he dance the Maypole with the Indians, but he got them drunk. And he committed the White Elephant offense: he starting selling them firearms. That was simply not allowed. Boston and Plymouth combined forces to move against him.
Really Pucker we could give a f-k less about queers and their purported history.
And I’m not surprised this sh-t is coming out of Harvard.
brh
Harvard is now VERY Jewish. So tough luck.
This kid loves it.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/little-boy-accidentally-wears-salacious-tee-school-moms-apology-goes-viral-234013520.html
If the war breaks out within a week, what those who survive will decide about reasons for this disaster?
And what they will do with boses, experts and journalist who advocated it?
My guess Assad’s air force will be gone within a week. Within a year Assad will be gone. The Turks will take over the country and Russia will acquiesce because the Turks can cause more trouble for the Russians than Assad is worth. The big losers will be the Kurds because they squandered decades upon decades in not being able to acquire the technical skills the equipment and suppliers to field an army.
The big losers will be the Kurds because they squandered decades upon decades in not being able to acquire the technical skills the equipment and suppliers to field an army.
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Sure, the Kurds always lose, but they also never go away?
There is a lesson somewhere in that
The area of Turkey was 100% Greek Christian. Now there are Zero. The Amalek-Megog-Turks didn’t care to waste millions of bullets on the Armenians not that long ago. The Shia will not fare any better, why would the Kurds?
No one likes to back a loser. The Kurds were given an historic opening to take command of the area and they folded. The US patience with the Kurds is not limitless. The US will abandon them and they will lose the oil fields. They will be pushed to the mountains, and from there who will care?
Preparations to war go on…
Meeting in Tehran: special envoy of President Putin and the Secretary of Iran Supreme National Security Council. They discussed Trump’s threats against Syria and Israel’s attack on air base in syria…
Today, Russia MOD has asked Iran to provide access to IRIAF’s 3rd Tactical Fighter Base in Hamedan to deploy its heavy bombers (probably Tu-22 or Tu-95), Il-78 tankers & use it as refuelling point for fighter jets which are planned to be deployed to Syria soon!
https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/983785568260804608
Chinese warships in the Mediterranean are ordered to join the Russian navy in the event of a massive attack on Syria
https://twitter.com/NEWZWARZ/status/983658789147557889
Finca, the above intel you are posting has hardly made the news cycle here. No mention of impending war or potentially catastrophic events in the Middle East or anywhere.
I watched the local evening news tonite. Bill Cosby is on trial and the #Metoo movement is eager to bring him down. President Trump’s lawyers office was raided by the FBI. At a local HS a student had a Confederate flag sticker on a notebook so the school went into lockdown. A married couple in Madison was arrested because their dogs were not being properly cared for; now their house (a run down shack by all appearances) is being picketed by cat lady activists from the STPCA.
So besides about half the broadcast spent inveighing against President Trump, his policies, his personal life, his presidency, that’s about it, that’s all that’s happening.
brh
Result of the dumbing down and politization of the MSM.
This country is more concerned about celebrity status than world events. It is as though our intelligence and rationality level has dropped to adolescent level.
This country is more concerned about celebrity status than world events
Well, are you? How can my knowledge of foreign events help me?
Wag the Dog. But deeper than this is the fact that if you back out of a power position, there is always someone who will step in. This is the result of Obama’s foreign policy of disengagement and downsizing od US influence. The Left believes in the goodness of humanity and when it executes policy accordingly, someone comes in and snaps your head off. Russia and China have been trying to kick the US off the mountain for fifty years. So collusion between them is no surprise. As of yet, no one has identified in print who supplied the nuclear know how to NOKO and Iran. I think we know now. We have given up world leadership, and others will duke it out to see who is boss. Trump has a nasty situation, he is trying to regain our premier position but I do not think others will give it up without a fight. Proxy wars such as NOKO, Vietnam and Syria can blow up as each side draws its line in the sand.
What we gave up when Obama drew his red line and did not back it up is now becoming evident.
True enough, JohnAZ.
and every one of the nations you mention above are nuclear armed (except Syria)
Remember, the main Dem campaign theme in 08 was that the US was the cause of all the world’s problems and if we merely withdrew from the world stage universal peace and love would reign.
those were the halcyon days.
brh
GreenAlba:
I believe we have now entered the ego, tit for tat, game and have wandered far afield of whether people are being intimidated by the ongoing violence, threats, wars, economic instability, the shootings, the terrorist menace.
A free person gives deference to no one but approaches others as an equal. Deference and respect come about because there is an element of uncertainty and imbalance in the exchange.
Deference and respect come about because there is an element of uncertainty and imbalance in the exchange.
********
Indeed,
and this is the foundation for why men are better than women.
Men learn as boys that we can get knocked the fuck out; therefore we tend to carry ourselves with a certain diplomacy and respect in what we say and what we do.
Women?
don’t make me laugh.
Gender has become so fluid lately, who’s to know what’s what, or who’s who. I do agree that the threat of getting your block knocked off tends to bring a certain froidure to one’s relationships. Hell of a way to go about it though.
Thrice-blessed he who has visited
This world at times of destiny!
As guest at their high table he
With gods has sat and broken bread!
On their high councils known the truth,
On their bright pomp his eyes has feasted,
And though but mortal yet has tasted
Their chalice of eternal youth!
Fyodor Tyutchev
you’ve had some pretty good writers coming out of that Russian heartland; my favorite … Dr Anton Chekhov.
A volume of his short stories sits always at my reading table.
brh
At least the Americans could rest in peace knowing that their betters will not forget them in the luxury fallout shelters in New Zealand.
Hillary Rodham Clinton coming to New Zealand
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/101565357/hillary-rodham-clinton-coming-to-new-zealand
The old bag just won’t give it up.
a few years ago she came to CT and gave a 20 minute speech at UCONN. Fee: $250,000. Text of the speech: ‘You Go Girl!”
brh
When the “Ol’ Bag” is down under will she fall clockwise or counterclockwise?
Michael Cohen, although Trump’s lawyer, made a campaign contribution to Stormy Daniels. He wanted her to win the election rather than his own client. He should be investigated for that perhaps. Did Trump know that he wanted her to win? And if she took the money and didn’t run, shouldn’t she be investigated or made to pay it back?
“Since American identity has never been stable and has always been in flux, American History is Queer History.” Professor Bronski (Harvard)
Nasradeen Ahme, a leader of the Free Syrian Army which works to bring down the government of Bashar al-Assad, said “If I was in charge I would enforce tougher laws against homosexuals. If someone said homosexuals should be stoned to death as in Iran and Saudi Arabia, I would not object.”[
Syrian politics is not stable and always in flux, therefore, Syrian politics is Queer politics.
Since Assad’s position is not stable and in flux, does this mean that Assad is Queer?
What is a “zine”?
“Feminist Studies 150H: Students in the Honors section for Sex, Love, and Romance create a zine as their final project.”
http://www.femst.ucsb.edu/faculty/LRupp/index.html
What is your favorite “Gateway Drug”?
The English Humor and Theresa May’s Mistake
May denied Trump a joint military campaign in Syria.
“Britain needs more evidence of the alleged chemical attack that the Assad regime carried out before joining the military attack on Syria,” Teresa May said in a telephone conversation with Trump, that was listened in by all intelligence agencies in the world.
And when Trump hung up, she pretended not to notice this and shouted for the benefit of the listening spooks: “And with Skripal it was a joke, English humor!”.
And she would have managed to pretend that she did not mean anything wrong, but Vladimir Putin remembered cat Behemoth nicknamed Nash Van Drake and tears came to his eyes.
– A joke, you say? !! – and he threw headphones on the table with irritation, – And for the cat, you still need to answer!
May resists calls to join US military action against Syria
Theresa May has made Britain’s participation in US-led strikes on the Assad regime conditional on more evidence that the Syrian regime was responsible for a gas attack. Yesterday she resisted pressure to join immediate military retaliation repeating that it was necessary to confirm what had happened at Douma before any action to “hold to account” those responsible.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/may-resists-calls-to-join-us-action-against-syria-kmdg697xg
The Big Ships Principle and how “small” Russian economy could beat the shit out of yuuuuge American one
In 2015, the Russian Federation staged an event that initially puzzled the Anglo-Saxons, then slowed down their plans, and now put them on the verge of a geopolitical catastrophe.
On Putin’s birthday, Russia launched 26 cruise missiles Caliber on targets in Syria. According to legend, this was the signal to the US, whose aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt (26th US President) was part of its air strike group off the coast of Syria.
After the Russian volley the aircraft carrier left the area of the Mediterranean Sea. For non-professionals this did not make much impression, Americans and British have long had such missiles Tomahawk.
On the professionals it worked sobering. Russia in the times of the Soviet Union created cruise missiles, but they were heavy and expensive. The Americans knew that under the treaty for the reduction of medium and short-range missiles for Russia it was forbidden to have land-based missiles with a range of 500 km to 5,500 km.
Sea and air based are allowed, but carriers of large cruise missiles in Russia are few: 3-4 cruisers, several missile boats, a couple of dozen bombers. Against hundreds and even thousands of cruise missiles on the ships of NATO – it’s not scary. And if the Russians want to increase the number of missiles, they will need to build large, very expensive ships.
Economic sanctions and falling oil prices reliably blocked these attempts. (The severance of contracts with Ukraine blocked the construction of ships and transport aviation.)
Surprise was that the Russians were able to make a cruise missile the size of the torpedo tube and the country immediately received dozens of ships, missile boats and submarines of Caliber missile carriers. Even more surprising was the launch of the SLCM from boats with a displacement of 900 tons, that is, an American destroyer with a displacement of 75,000 tons and a cost of $1.5-2 billion can be sunk a Russian boat worth $50-100 million.
This was the first violation of the Principle of the Big Ships. Now, in order to sink 50 missile destroyers, 150-200 cruise missiles could be launched from twenty boats, at a cost equal to one destroyer.
I was in the Navy when the first anti-ship cruise missile, the Exocet, was brought into service by the Russians. The Navy’s response was immediate and panicky. The phalanx system was the result. Russia’s hypersonic missiles were announced recently as an extension of the same tactical policies. You are right about the ability to cancel our Naval stamp with smaller weaponry. However, consider that one nuke cancels a fleet. Tactics in an all out war with Russia or China will be to get all the weapons off the ships before the fleet is blown up to conduct their missions. The US is isolated from Eurasia and thus must rely on the Navy to express its power. The surface Navy, strategically is and has been obsolete. But the kick that comes from the ballistic missile subs has never been countered by the Russians or China. Annihilation of either country still awaits any all out war move such as blowing up a fleet. The same idea as what pushed Japan to move on Pearl Harbor is destruction of the entire US fleet. It did not work the, much to Japan’s discomfort, and it will not work now. MAD still exists and makes it difficult for no. 2 and no. 3 to accomplish what they want. So they push here and feint their trying to push their agenda but in the end, MAD makes major war obsolete. So we will continue to see the Deep State type warfare continue, proxy wars to offset R and C’s exploits. Lack of response, like Syria, erodes our international “fear factor” and just encourages little power figures like Assad, or Khadafy, or Hussein to push the envelope.
Good post, AZ, but one detail: I thought the Exocet missile was French built.
I recall during the 1982 Falklands war a British naval vessel was severely damaged by an Exocet launched by the Argentines. At the time it was reported that the missile was obtained from France, if I remember right.
You are correct. France sold Exocets to just about everybody but surprisingly not Russia. The Argentines got them early in their production and irreparably damaged HMS Schefield and a converted container ship carrying war supplies. I do remember we really reacted to the advent of this technology, I was involved, and assumed it was Russian caused. The US Harpoon system was our response in addition to the Phalanx system. FYI, USS Stark, destroyer was hit by Exocets fired by Iraq and caused damage and loss of life.
USS Stark was hit by Exocet in May, 1987 during he Iran-Iraq war fired by Iraq.
Annihilation of either country still awaits any all out war move such as blowing up a fleet.
The fleet could be blown up without nuclear tips – as a matter of fact given hypersonic speeds of 10 MAH, it could be blown up even without even conventional explosive heads, any US destroyer would be split in half by one Kinzhal hypersonic missile, aircraft carrier will take 2 missiles.
Use of NUCLEAR warheads by any party would be a major escalation which would last half-hour to 45 minutes, after which the ENTIRE United States will be wiped out and half of Russia.
Than the Russians underwater drones – Status 6 (or Poseidon) – will disinfect the US + West European territory with Mega tsunamis.
Very undesirable turn of events.
All out war is no quarter given. Nukes would be used and our fleets become expendable after they have launched their weapons. So they strategy from the other side is how to hit them before they launch, you are right, the hypersonic missile technology is probably pointed in this direction. Nukes on hypersonic missiles fill the bill. However, the ballistic missile boats are a offensive threat that will decimate an enemy and no one has figured out a countermeasure for them on both sides. MAD still holds.
Caitlyn Johnstone has got it exactly right in, “Ready, Blame, Bomb”.
“If there’s one thing we’ve learned from the Skripal case and the alleged Douma attack, it’s that when a government demands new cold war escalations with a longtime rival before an investigation can be carried out, it’s because there’s a preexisting agenda.”
This is further facilitated by the 3-letter boyz and girlz by treating the denizens of the State of Failure [tm, JHK] like mushrooms. (You know that one: Kept in the dark and fed horseshit.)
The key to understanding the current events is not to consider a play between “governments” and “states”, but between different ideologies (or even quasi-religions), that span the state boundary.
So, the Trump America + England of Queen Elizabeth II resist the War, while Clinton America + England of Theresa May are provoking the war.
The casus belli could be anything, not very important what, especially when your co-religionists have almost 100% control of mass media.
Ozone I thought it almost impossible to say that Tucker Carlson would ever layout a 100% accurate statement of fact. I now stand corrected. Humanity has to put an end to this current insanity NOW. Truth can make stange bedfellows as well! The door to my tent is open how about your’s?
wm
wm,
The flap is thrown back. Hurry up, don’t let in the skeeters! 😉
This link is for Janos – http://www.bbc.com/news/health-43674270
Feeling particulaly human this morning?
The one point you seem to have missed Janos is the casual indifference with which the Way has brushed aside any that will attempt to impede the path. The dark is bound by the light, it is a creation of the light, and it is temporal.
I really do not care who you are, but you have worn a flat spot on an iron ball.
wm
Lao Tzu said, The Way abides in Non-Action yet nothing is left undone. Is this what you are referring to? In the West, we tend not to wait and prefer to take action. In any case, even those who wait will have to act sooner or later. We risk acting too soon. They rise acting too late – or not at all if they wait too long. Or if they are just using the Tao as an excuse not to act. As do Christians by the way, by misusing Saint Paul and other writers.
Elrond has called me a tumor and thus is not bound to answer me about South Africa. Can you ask him how he feels about the Black Rule now that they are about to push Whites off the land?
I owned that there is a part of you worth talking to, Janos; but you are so hagridden by prejudice that trying to engage you on the merits of South Africa, or of most questions, is seldom a promising prospect. Teaching pigs to sing, and all that.
Tate, I get your point. But just imagine, if the alternative to getting things right is to fuck up, what can be learned by fucking up in new and innovative ways.
Daveed, I wasn’t shitting on California in particular. At least not in this post.
Interesting development. Paul Ryan has announced his retirement from Speaker and the house seat. Hmmm. What is going on on the GOP side of the Deep State? These are all people who tried to beat Trump during the primary season and failed. Think about it, one GGG took down the entire GOP hierarchy on his own coin. Talk about impotence! The GOP is not a viable opposing force for the approaching storm clouds of socialism on the horizon. I see two possibilities for the mass resignations going on, the GOPers are just giving up and doing the rats leaving the ship routine. Or. They are circling the wagons to rid themselves of Trump in the 2020 primary season. Do we see a field forming of potential candidates? Hate to say it but just like in 2016, the GOP field does not have the charisma or talent to unseat Trump. And right now, neither do the Dems. The Deep State is circling the wagons to try to unseat the GGG, both parties. And the entire structure cannot come up with a way to get rid of him.
Two possibilities. He is smarter than the whole rotten bunch of them, or conversely they are just dumb. Or
The people want an alternative to the current situation in DC, and they are willing to put up with his persona to rat out the Deep State. We will see this year. The Liberals are trying their darndest to fix the 2018 midterms with phony polls, enfranchising immigrants, Mueller’s extensions, etc. etc. It will be interesting. The Dems better not get complacent, the 2016 surprise could repeat itself.
Yeah, Ryan’s retirement is interesting, something in and of itself to be happy about. Bye-bye, good riddance.
As for circling the wagons, I wonder, is he trying to set up a run for the presidential nomination?
I think the most basic reason for the failure of other primary candidates is that, as K-Dog pointed out, Kansas isn’t buying their bullshit anymore. After all, what did they offer but more of what came before, which was more “principled conservatism”?
And what was “principled conservatism” but policies to enrich the one percent? The American worker was supposed to revel in his impoverishment and degradation because it meant he was a real American, that he could take what the free and unfettered market dished out. Of course the “market” was a lie, rigged as it was by the controllers of the Fortune 500.
The Republican agenda is no secret, it played out over decades, to distract red-state voters with culture wars while picking their pockets. Acceptance by the American worker of their diminishment was a central piece of the culture war.
Yeah, maybe Ryan, maybe Romney, maybe Bush again? Who knows? There is definitely two camps right of center though.
I hear your comments on the GOP being a dupe for the elite. I will offer that so are the Dems. The D.C., MI complex, Wall Street collusion, known as the Deep State, involves both sides of the spectrum. Also, if the Conservative position is harmful, socialism is much worse. The DS does not care who is in charge, they will press for their groups. Fascism, I believe, is where the government tells the economy what it is to do but the economy stays private. Are the Deep Staters fascists in their desire for control?
I do not think the political identity exists today that works for the good of the middle class, the people. The Populist movement is closest, but do not have the D.C. Power to do much of anything. GGG is the head of it, but has been shown to be ineffective since the original deregulation and tax changes. Like Carter, the last real outsider, he is being beat down by the DS.
You betcha, so are the Dems. Just have a look at donor lists. They say that big biz contributes more to Republicans but that just means that the Dems do their whoring on the cheap. Totally agree that the Deep State involves both sides of the spectrum.
Are the Deep Staters fascists in their desire for control? To my eyes there’s nothing yet that resembles “fascism” in the way that it played out in the past.
Whatever it is congealing in the US will be nasty and it may share some attributes with fascism as we’ve seen it (like you say, in the desire for control) but I think it will be a different thing with different historical roots.
I agree that there’s no political identity that exists today that works for the middle class. Or the lowest rungs in society either. At least it doesn’t exist as a coherent party with a name, a ground organization, state and local branches etc. Bernie was an outlier and, to my eyes, he sold out. And what did Trump do? He gave a whacking huge tax break to the richest. Now he’s doing a lot of sabre rattling on trade. We’ll see.
Elysianfield, exactly, without personal cost.
Now where’s that impassioned missive to Justin? Did I miss it?
Trump in 2013 criticizing President Obama:
“Why do we keep broadcasting when we are going to attack Syria. Why can’t we just be quiet and, if we attack at all, catch them by surprise?”
Trump in 2018:
“Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and ‘smart’!”
So much for the element of surprise. Maybe Trump feels he needs to give his friend Putin advance warning. Dangerous business. I am downgrading Trump from 6-year-old to 5-year-old mentality.
Trump said three actors share responsibility for the attack — Assad, Iran and Russia, so he must be preparing to attack all three. But only Russia got advance warning. “Get ready Russia” A pre-emptive nuclear strike against Russia is possible because Trump said “nothing is off the table.”
Russia has left. Only its mercenaries remain. Those too will be gone soon. The Turks will move south down the trans-Syria HWY#5 to Hama and Homs and Damascus and will cut off the Iranian supply lines from the East. Without an airforce the Alawite enclave by the Mediterranean to the west in about a year’s time will be known as the Turkish enclave.
Russia has left.
Care to substantiate?
Russia would never leave Syria – a convenient point to control all of Middle East, Mediterranean and Southern Europe.
And have a warm water port access in the Med.
Putin orders the withdrawal of Russian troops from Syria
— https://youtu.be/WMxQbRHEfco
If you guys have issues with that take it up with Putin.
Published on Dec 11, 2017.
Old news = Fake news.
Besides, it was a partial withdrawal.
As the Syrian air bases and war planes are destroyed and no Russians are injured in the attacks, can we assume no Russian present?
Janet get real. There is no such thing as a preemptive nuclear strike against Russia. If either of us even hint with nukes mAD ensues.
Trump will attack wherever the Gas weapons are manufactured, stored or distributed or the aircraft that delivered the weapons. That is what happened last time. Yeah, he warned Russia that they are coming for the gas, to tell Russia to get the hell out of the way. And I would suppose he will tell them what he is going to hit, or maybe one of three sites. Assad needs to go, but not until a legitimate substitute is found, which will be a compromise between the US, Russia, Iran and Israel. Do not hold your breath.
Prediction : Trump is going to fire Mueller and his staff and get another prosecutor because of the FBI breaking in at Cohen’s places. Stand by.
Another Sign of the Apocalypse…;
While deep in an unremembered rabbit hole yesterday, I read a post that described California’s changing of its penal code to, in effect, decriminalize intentional failure to disclose to a sexual partner that you have HIV or AIDS. This omission, once a Felony, has been reduced to a misdemeanor. You can now, with bad intent, sentence another to a life of angst and penury brought on by the cost of constant medical care, without fear of prison. The rationale of the law, promoted by both houses of legislators, and signed by the Governor into law, was…(wait for it)
…to lessen the stigmatization of AIDS/HIV….
As the French General opined before the battle of Dien Bien Phu…
“You are about to be shat upon from a great height…” (paraphrased)
The craziness never stops does it?
The penal code was originally intended to minimize the spread of a lethal disease. But this change was just more virtue-signalling. It was a measure designed to let the enactors and their supporters bask in their own moral and intellectual superiority.
But why not go whole hog and remove it even as a misdemeanor? Looks to me like a failure of the imagination and as such a mere quibble. In time, the bien pensants, the opinion leaders will fix it. They’ll see to it, I have no doubt.
As to your larger point, “craziness” as you put it, to be accepted by – cough – the most enlightened, the most educated, you have to be convinced of the most bizarre propositions, you have to believe things that no reasonable or rational person could possibly believe. IOW you have to be out of your fucking mind.
Last night, a woman was saying that sex workers had a right to do their thing and it was discriminatory to women to limit their ability to do so. She thought is was anti-feminist. It was on Tucker Carlson, I believe. Tucker argued that it was demeaning to women and should not be promoted by feminists. They separated amicably.
Gays have always been outraged at being asked not to donate blood. Now they have enough power to get all restrictions removed to their pleasure and ego. But still, Nature bats last. Next outbreak may be unstoppable.
Reality will shit upon us from a great height.
Yeah why don’t we just drop shit on them instead? Like when Riff says “heaters” in West Side Story, Baby John gets scared and says, Can’t we just throw rocks and garbage?
Only the French would build a fortification at the bottom of a valley instead of upon one of the mountain tops that surrounded it. Pretty much the only time the French were a successful world power was when they were in fact led by an Italian!
Yes many signs of Apocalypse are here and now…
Isaiah 5:20
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Timothy 3:1-4
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
A perfect description of the USA Today.
Without natural affection – Gays. Women who get abortions or the men who pay for them or do them. One such Guy, an executive of the largest such agency in California, crashed his plane and died in Idaho – mere feet away from a cemetery for aborted children.
Nature bats last? No, God does, but He uses Nature as His Bat.
Beyond such miscreants, all of us are affected and afflicted. The Bible says, towards the end of Time, Love will grow cold.
Paul Ryan has announced his retirement from Speaker and the house seat.
When all rats escape from the ship, the ship will cease sinking!
Until he starts running for President.
John AZ, it may happen that Trump fires Mueller over the Cohen affair. But maybe that’s the hope, that since Mueller has zippidy-doo-dah on the Russian collusion issue and since Mueller can’t figure wtf he’s doing there anymore, maybe Mueller’s hoping that his firing will become the issue.
So Mueller goes out with a bang, becomes the toast of the Georgetown dinner party circuit, no doubt finds alternate employment within the Deep State apparatus, a “position” without a whole lot to do but with a decent salary.
And if the Dems win back majorities in Congress they can start pressing for impeachment over I dunno what really, but something or other, maybe Mueller’s firing.
And Mueller can sit back, drink in hand, have a good belch and congratulate himself on a job well done.
If The Dems win back congress, it will not necessarily benefit the 99%. The Oligarchs and the Zuckerbergs will still be free to work their will. Zuckerberg seemed to be more or less bored with the dog & pony show being put on yesterday. It reminds me of the time a few years back when the price of oil went through the roof, and the oil companies reaped obscene profits. The presidents of the major oil companies were called into a congressional hearing, where old fat congressmen growled at them and called them names and did absolutely nothing. As far as Mueller goes , it seems to me that he was well respected by both parties, and as near as I can see, has lived a pretty exemplary life. You don’t get a bronze star with a V for valor easily.
USA just had 16 continuous years of Dem Presidents.
Both of the elected were very bad men.
I would say that the USA just had 51 years of Dumb presidents, or more precisely, puppet presidents. Hey what three letter covert agency specializes in installing puppet presidents around the world? Anybody care to guess? Here’s a hint, it ain’t the Boy Scouts of America.
I wrote 55 years but typed 51, because I am distracted, sorry.
https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/43805/
dismantle Whiteness.
It’s comical really, the exhortation to do something about the racist excesses of privileged white people comes from the most exorbitantly privileged white people: college kids.
As Elysianfield most aptly pointed out to Elrond, it’s one thing to talk, but it’s quite another to bear personal expense to right societal wrongs.
So the necessary question, if these college kids are so direly upset about the privileges of being white and rich, are they willing to give up their wealth and privileges to reset the balance?
To ask the question is to answer it. No chance in hell. Per Elysianfield, it’s all talk.
Not to pull rank but I think there’s a question for the young, college protestor – especially in this age of credentials and especially if what they themselves are after is the credential of a college degree: you’re young so what have you read, what have you experienced, what have you accomplished, in short, what the fuck do you know? Why should we listen in this age of credentials to people with none?
Some of the young White gals are burning coal. The price is–sometimes– life itself.
Twelve times more likely. When the coal-burner is male, oddly enough, the odds increase: 21 times more likely.
Somalis, Negroes, Cold Canadian Snows.
that is how it goes.
‘Actually Volodya, there has been portent of things to come here in Minnesota. Last year, and earlier this winter, thousands of illegal immigrants crossed by foot illegally from Minnesota into small towns in Manitoba. Many of them were Somalis. It got much more news coverage in Canada, then in the US. These people were afraid they would get deported by the US because of Trump’s pronouncements.
You can google articles about it happening. I’m very happy they are gone. Canada can pay big money (and they will) for these people. In fact Canada can subsidize as many people as they want. I think its great.
In places like Emerson, Manitoba, where many of these people were showing up they’d knock on doors wanting shelter in very cold conditions. The people at first there were happy to do it, but then became fatigued by it, and stopped being as hospitable.’
/ There was discussion of this by Vlad, some time ago.
The fool who froze his fingers or foot off and was in a hospital.
It was a ‘taxi driver, take me to the border in -20 weather.’
Can stupid be fixed?
Refugee nearly freezes to death crossing Canadian border …
… Seidu Mohammad nearly froze to death walking from North Dakota toward the Canadian … freezes to death crossing Canadian border Man … across border approved to …
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Refugee nearly freezes to death crossing Canadian border from …
Refugee nearly freezes to death crossing Canadian border … the Canadian border at Emerson, Man. The man from Ghana spent more than seven hours walking …
Reminds me of “The Iceman Cometh”. In the play however, the people were mostly “refugees” from Life itself. Pipe Dreamers.
I guess those Somalis were too. Smokin’ the Stupid Pipe. Desperate Dreamers.
In the play, Hickey would joke about finding his wife in bed with the iceman. Turns out he kills her. Cold man, cold.
that story about the 2 guys from Ghana is kinda interesting. One fella lost most of his fingers from frostbite. He spent some time in the US and his asylum request was rejected. So, he decided to cross into Canada.
So, the trouble I have, among other things, is the veracity of the claims of these people. Asylum law is very liberal in the US. So, I wonder how many people are actually running from the law in their home countries, or are illegally in the US or Canada for other reasons. In this case of the fellow from Ghana, he claims he is gay, so he ought to be allowed in either the US/ or now Canada. Many of these people need a lot of health care. So, hey– Canada can pay, pay, pay.
I’m sure Winnipeg needs more cab drivers.
In USA, I see Uber and Lyft, but not as many as 2 years ago.
Cab drivers? I dont see many.
They will have to have knives attached to their arms in lieu of hands so they can still “work”.
“Russia has left. Only its mercenaries remain. Those too will be gone soon.” –akmofo
Then Russia’s threat to shoot down Trump’s missiles is an empty threat. Russia and Trump must be in collusion, running this farcical false flag operation for other motives. If the SA-21 and SA-22’s left Syria (along with their Russian operators), then it is not even possible for Russia to engage Trump’s cruise missiles.
I think the “Deep State” is nothing less than the heavily subsidized arms industry in all its various manifestations. Fifty-five percent of federal discretionary spending is on arms and other military expenditures. Gotta keep those suckers busy. Our weapons end up on BOTH sides of every conflict and have for a very long time (like the 10-year Iran-Iraq War). We, the USA, really are “The Great Satan” when it comes to destabilizing the world.
If we are so horrible, there has got to be another place more suited to your attitudes.
If the Deep State is leading us down the primrose path, vote them out! Both sides! Vote against anyone over six years in the House and two terms in the Senate. Vote for legislators who want to remove the Congressional advantages. Vote for anyone who wants to regulate or eliminate lobbying. Do not vote single party, they will bloc vote once there and block everything. Vote for the best candidate that will vote for increased power to the local area and decreased power to the Federal government. Vote for term limits.
Precisely!
Its the only way short of violence.
The Deep State is the heart of the MI complex. The MSM is the entertainment arm.
Six White House and Congressional sources said there are growing concerns inside the White House and among GOP leadership that Democrats will immediately seek to impeach President Trump should Republicans lose control of the House this November.
“POTUS is aware” of the concern, one White House source said, describing the hand-wringing inside the West Wing over the upcoming midterms as “the anticipation of death.”
Duh. All empires dies. All presidencies end… some sooner than others. Trump’s days are numbered. He should play more golf.
He really should be put out to pasture. Anyone that comes into his Cabinet gets a stench on him/her almost immediately and then resigns or is fired. If Trump’s Presidency were a contestant on an episode of “The Apprentice”, Trump would fire himself. Our Republic has reached the bottom of the barrel with this POTUS. He’s just another well-backed rich kid whose daddy set up his connections.
I might add that he’s gone to federal bankruptcy court four times yet we’re to lionize his business acumen. Piffle!!
Any entrepreneur worth his salt has failed multiple times prior to success. He got bad advice on Atlantic City whoops. He has still worked himself into being a billionaire and then proceeded to beat 17 GOPers and a Dem who was a sure thing on his own coin. Good Lord, Therian, what do you consider a success?
The stench you mention comes from the Deep State, He should never have put the people from D.C. Into his group. They are slowly being weeded out. If the flyovers vote this fall, we will retain control of both houses and get rid of the rest of the Deep Staters and maybe the country will stand a chance.