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Hallelujahs echoed across the Blue Media late last week when the news broke that Donald Trump tested positive for coronavirus. For four years the president had foiled every ambuscade set along his path by a morally-inflamed, predatory Resistance, and each time he beep-beeped his way around the trap. But, now, with a little help from a pitiless universe, they had him! A gazillion tiny, viral assassins were stealing through his bloodstream like so many microscopic jihadis, primping him for an agonizing death: his alveoli withering, red corpuscles robbed of their vital O2, pink foam issuing from his nostrils, toes and fingers turning blue-green — and most deliciously of all, he’d remain conscious of his imminent defeat, of the life (which he’d never deserved in the first place) draining by degrees from his wicked, orange, bloated, supine carcass…

Except… wait a minute… what the hell…? How could it be! Late Sunday he somehow arose from his bed-of-death, ordered pizza (with meat!) for a thousand imps and demons camped outside Walter Reed Hospital, and walked under his own power (!) into a limousine to take a ride around the block and wave at his unholy minions! The cheek of this man!

CNN had a whack attack. Brian Stelter was beside himself, hinting that sinister forces had punked the network, and all the other righteous Resistance cadres, and that Mr. Trump could be endangering every federal employee down to the enlisted men posted overseas by venturing from his sickroom. The New York Times went farther afield (of course), declaring that “the murky and shifting narrative of his illness was rewritten again with grim new details.” Nicely put by an outfit that has come to specialize in shifting narratives!

And indeed, the new Resistance narrative demands to know just exactly when did the president start to feel ill? Did he, perhaps on-purpose, haul his ailing, hulking, scheming Golem ass into the Cleveland debate venue with the hope of infecting his rival, delicate Ol’ White Joe Biden? Did he recklessly put at risk the White House staff, dignitaries and luminaries coming and going, their family members, associates, underlings, servants, children? Did he threaten the global order, world peace, the fate of humanity?

So now, a keening wail of lamentation rings out across the land at Mr. Trump’s possible, dastardly recovery. How dare he! — to paraphrase Saint Greta Thunberg. 209,000 other Americans died, and not him! What vile and unholy devices got him out of a sure death sentence? No doubt Democratic Party astrologasters and consulting augurers will be searching for clues among the orbiting planets and the spilled organs of sacrificed chickens in the days to come. Perhaps Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) can snare a few of the president’s attending physicians into his House Intel Committee and rev up another impeachment for going against doctors’ orders. Wouldn’t that be a delectable counter to the looming confirmation process for Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s replacement next door in the Senate this month?

Over his dead body, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer is hinting — a tantalizing prospect, with Covid-19 on the loose. It was Chuck who memorably told Rachel Maddow of MSNBC in 2017 that the Deep State “has six ways from [sic] Sunday at getting back at you.” By my count, they’re well over their allotted six by now. Not only did they all fail, but the seditionists behind them are liable to wind up behind bars before this is all over, perhaps even a few of Senator Schumer’s colleagues.

Anyway, Majority Leader McConnell isn’t buying Mr. Schumer’s sob story. “The Senate’s floor schedule will not interrupt the thorough, fair and historically supported confirmation process,” McConnell said on Saturday. The hearings are pegged to begin on October 12. Prediction: they will run three days, tops, and the nominee will sail through. No doubt Senator Schumer and company will be combing the legislative rules thickets with their Lawfare bush-beaters in search of some recondite, magic by-law that might prevent the deal from going down. Or else Chuck will threaten to shoot a puppy on the floor of the Senate if the Amy Coney Barrett hearing proceeds.

The news has it this morning that the president might check out of Walter Reed later today. The event is loaded to the brim with portentous metaphor, mainly, that Mr. Trump has overcome yet another adversity, specifically one that the Resistance has been using to scare the public into compliance with economy-wrecking rules. As the president re-enters something like normal life in the days ahead, perhaps the rest of America will rethink the abnormalities of 2020. Perhaps they will notice the Democratic Party’s investment in the Covid-19 lockdown narrative, and what it has done to their livelihoods, their families, and their futures. Maybe watching Mr. Trump get through this, they will see a way out of the woods.

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567 Responses to “Out of the Woods?”

  1. sophia October 5, 2020 at 10:13 am #

    Maybe, but probly not.
    Most people are locked in.
    No windows in their self imposed mental prison.

    • Paulo October 5, 2020 at 9:53 pm #

      They’re probably in need of a new Press Secretary, JHK. You’ve more than demonstrated your undivided loyalty and support. Goforit. Got Vaseline? Kneepads?

      • benr October 6, 2020 at 11:26 am #

        Why Paulo that sounds like the voice of exuberant experience.

    • steelrust October 6, 2020 at 8:49 am #

      Leibniz’s “Monads with no windows”.

      • Sredni Vashtar October 8, 2020 at 6:26 pm #

        Who, Paul? Agree. I won’t give him that o.

    • ChristopherMiles October 17, 2020 at 11:37 pm #

      I agree... Will that ever change? Probably not.

  2. oilie October 5, 2020 at 10:18 am #

    The deep blue media will surely see the errors of their ways and now report the real news; Trump’s operation Warp Speed may have saved himself by accelerating the clearance for polyclonal antibody treatments. After that, sweetness and light will return.

  3. shox October 5, 2020 at 10:20 am #

    “What vile and unholy devices got him out of a sure death sentence? No doubt Democratic Party astrologasters and consulting augurers will be searching for clues among the orbiting planets and the spilled organs of sacrificed chickens in the days to come.”

    LOOL!! Another great one James! It’s true, the Dems convulse like they were possessed by demons. Trump lies (though not so much anymore), behaves badly, is the very spitting image of a narcissistic patriarchal privileged white male, and yet the whole nation adores him, loves him, forgives him for all his flaws and foibles! The Dems put on a show of crusading for the downtrodden and oppressed and yet everyone hates them! They are rather like Cain in the Cain and Abel story. God will accept Abel’s sacrifice but not Cain’s. Why? Maybe the “spilled organs of sacrificed chickens” will tell them.

    • Hands4u October 5, 2020 at 3:58 pm #

      Of course it’s another “resurrection” three days at the foot of death and he has arisen to lead us into the holy land of MAGA Trump!

    • FreddieMars October 13, 2020 at 6:10 pm #

      “[…]the whole nation adores him, loves him, forgives him for all his flaws and foibles!

      “The whole nation”? I don’t think so. If that were the case, surely the GOP internal polls should show close to 100% support. Clearly, that’s not the case. From The Hill, & Saagar Enjeti


  4. cc rider October 5, 2020 at 10:21 am #

    “A growing number of Secret Service agents have been concerned about the president’s seeming indifference to the health risks they face when traveling with him in public, and a few reacted with outrage to the trip, asking how Trump’s desire to be seen outside of his hospital suite justified the jeopardy to agents protecting the president. The president’s coronavirus diagnosis has already brought new scrutiny to his lax approach to social distancing, as public health officials scramble to trace those he may have exposed at large in-person events.”


    JHK doesn’t give a shit about men and women sworn to serve the president and their country either.

    Go to Walter Reed and suck Trump’s cock Jim. You fucking old stupid delusional man.

    CC — That’s the kind scurrilous rant that will get you kicked off CFN, and so I will do that… but not before pointing out that the Secret Service must be around Trump one way or another, in a room, or in a car, so your point is a silly one.

    • Lawfish October 5, 2020 at 10:28 am #

      Those secret service agents have to be near Mr. Trump anyway. What difference does it make if they’re in his hospital room or his limo?

      • hmuller October 6, 2020 at 10:34 pm #

        We’re talking about Secret Service agents catching a case of the flu – worst case scenario. Amazing how some hysterics characterize covid like it’s the bubonic plague on steroids.

        CC, you deserve to be banned for such obscene sexual insults. And by the way, genius, JHK can’t do what you said. Trump is no longer in Walter Reed. So there!

    • Zoltar October 5, 2020 at 10:30 am #

      Whew! You tell him, CC. Just what this forum needs: some good ol’ splenetic vituperation. (“old” – ouch!)

      • sprawlcapital October 5, 2020 at 4:18 pm #

        CC has committed the sin of ageism. This is worse than racism transphobia, sexism,, and homophobia combined.

        CC should expect to be cancelled soon; then agents from BLM and Antifa will be knocking on his door. Do not be afraid CC. They will be nice to you.

        You did not state your pronouns, CC. I suspect they are zhe, zher.

        SC (bitch, bitchier, bitchiest)

        • sprawlcapital October 5, 2020 at 4:20 pm #

          racism [,] transphobia

    • So many liars October 5, 2020 at 10:31 am #

      Such an adolescent you are! Aren’t you late for school?

    • SoftStarLight October 5, 2020 at 10:36 am #

      Being gross didn’t help your point btw. In fact it made it sound stupid. Grown ups get back to life and work as soon as they can after any illness. Unless they don’t have a job and still live with mommy of course.

    • Rain Waters October 5, 2020 at 10:41 am #

      Thanks for the laughs.

    • Uncle Bob October 5, 2020 at 10:46 am #

      You, sir, are an asshole. Not just an asshole,
      but a partisan asshole. You probably believe the “fine people” and “drink bleach” hoaxes are real, too, given that you’re using your assholery on behalf of a bunch of wannabe Maoist revolutionaries.

      • Night Owl October 5, 2020 at 10:58 am #

        Whoa. CC just went full Jello. I mean, he had the occasional lapse in mental acuity, but this is not the CC I know.


        • Sredni Vashtar October 5, 2020 at 1:59 pm #

          Yeah, wtf? Covid is really turning people inside out, revealing their vulnerabilities. He’s projecting his own fear onto to an elite corps who are willing to take a bullet for the POTUS. I’ll take a wild guess and assume they were fine with taking Mr Trump for a ride, with him wearing a mask as well as them.

      • teddyboy46 October 5, 2020 at 11:30 am #

        well , look at that another CIA social media agent at work.

        • hmuller October 6, 2020 at 10:39 pm #

          If that’s the case, we taxpayers certainly aren’t getting our money’s worth. CC has no literary flair, certainly no wit, no gift for language. He should go back to slandering Trump to corpulent cat ladies on Facebook.

    • Kim October 5, 2020 at 10:48 am #

      @ cc rider

      I doubt that men as young and fit as SS agents are much worried about a flu that couldn’t knock over an overweight 74 year old.

      But on the other hand Trump does also appear to have remarkable stamina.

      I wonder how frail, 78 year old Joe would have handled a dose of the rona?

      Given all of this, I can’t see how the MSM and Biden can win by continuing to draw attention to Trump’s robust health and apparently continuing unstoppable energy. The man is a force of nature.

      • malthuss October 5, 2020 at 10:53 am #

        Biden has weird bumps on his temples. People have noticed them and have researched what they can of his history of illness.

        he looks very feeble.

      • Sredni Vashtar October 5, 2020 at 2:01 pm #

        One time I tuned into his show, The Apprentice. He told one of the candidates that he had a great physique. And then he said, So do I. Apparently that was no bluster, but just the simple truth.

    • Night Owl October 5, 2020 at 10:50 am #

      “They spoke on the condition of anonymity […]”

      Yes, yes. Of course they did.

      • Daddyotis October 5, 2020 at 2:24 pm #

        Yup. Translated, that equates to “we’re making it up as we go along”

    • Ron Anselmo October 5, 2020 at 10:54 am #

      Hey CC,

      The China virus is no more consequential than the flu dumbass. Any and all responses to date, more than would be appropriate for the flu, are bullshit. Go back & hide in your living room, and peek out the blinds. Oh, and don’t forget to keep your mask on, pussy.

      • darrell dullnig October 5, 2020 at 12:36 pm #

        Exactly, Ron; the masses, including those on this blog are following the script to the letter. The more we focus on the virus or anyone associated with it, the less we see of the sleight of hand being done right in front of our faces. The virus is the perfect non-issue; riveting nonsense.

        It’s the economy, the economy, the economy! It is disintegrating; the global reset is the banker’s program to introduce a grand jubilee to escape culpability for their massive theft of the world’s assets. Everyone’s debts will be forgiven, but of course, they keep the assets.

        The more one focuses on the virus and the upcoming election, the less one recognizes the major flow of the current carrying all out to sea.

        • Ron Anselmo October 5, 2020 at 1:46 pm #

          Amen Darrell, very well put.

    • elysianfield October 5, 2020 at 12:03 pm #

      “That’s the kind scurrilous rant that will get you kicked off CFN”

      Oh see, cc rider, oh see what you done done….

      • Rain Waters October 5, 2020 at 4:00 pm #

        You made us laugh, and now your’e gone.

    • feralandroid October 5, 2020 at 12:16 pm #

      TDS on full display here.

      Please leave it up JHK, its a great example of how Trump causes people to go mental.

    • sanspeur October 5, 2020 at 2:40 pm #

      TDS on full display CC.

      I believe the risks of flying, driving with any POTUS have a higher risk of death than any COVID. Any SS agent that is afraid of COVID is not fit for duty. They are prepared to die for any POTUS.

      You obviously don’t give a shit about any normal hard working American who works for a shut down business that has been destroyed by this farce. You don’t give a shit about any American child that is suffering trauma daily by being kept from a maskless normal.

      Live your life with SANS PEUR!!

    • Captain Swing October 5, 2020 at 4:58 pm #

      cc rider – While your language was disrespectful, your point was well made.
      Yes, of course Secret Service agents are sworn to protect the President, at close quarters – But that doesn’t mean the President has no responsibility to the men and women who perform this duty. To take a self indulgent joy ride under these circumstances should tell anyone with half a brain every thing they to know about why he unfit for doing anything other the spending his dad’s money on questionable business deals. Hey Mr Kunstler – If that’s how much he cares about the folks who would literally stand in front of an assassin’s bullet for him, how much do you think he cares about you, or anyone who wears one of his stupid hats?
      Joe Biden may not be setting the bar all that high, and may have some questionable dealings of his own to explain, but he would represent a vast improvement on this clown… and he has at least chosen a Running Mate who I believe would make a fine President.

      • eatabanker October 5, 2020 at 5:19 pm #

        A morally and ethically fit opposition is a vital necessity to a the well being of a democracy. A self-serving opposition with RICO as a role model has no chance of improving a situation.

        Ad hominem disparaging always, always reduces the value of the speaker more than the object of contempt. But hopefully, that’s not the best punch you’ve got.

        But please enlighten us. What has Ms Harris done that qualifies her
        for next in line behind a candidate with evident health issues? Please list her merits and achievements rather than merely contrast them to VP Pence. All candidates are valid topics for dialogue.

      • Jeremy October 6, 2020 at 12:51 am #

        “Pee Pads & Knee Pads” – what a pair!

      • hmuller October 6, 2020 at 10:53 pm #

        Ms Harris will gladly service her Globalist Masters the way she serviced Willie Brown. A woman who never polled above 2% in the primary race has no constituency. So she works “for thems that pays her”. Sleepy, demented Joe has always played ball with the dark side. No chance he’ll fight to save our constitutional rights or American values.

    • eatabanker October 5, 2020 at 5:01 pm #

      Amen, Jim.

    • Doug October 5, 2020 at 5:02 pm #

      They were all wearing masks in the limo. Chill Karen.

      • PeteAtomic October 5, 2020 at 11:28 pm #

        “They were all wearing masks in the limo. Chill Karen.”

        ha ha!

        well said

    • UN OUT OF USA October 5, 2020 at 5:52 pm #

      CC, please name the SS Agents who claim to feel concerned? You can’t because that claim is another bullshit story with no real, named source(s) and you, poor fool, fell for it.

  5. sprawlcapital October 5, 2020 at 10:22 am #

    We can hope that the way out of the woods that people see includes re-electing the president. The alternative is unthinkable.

    However, given that foul alternative, a Biden presidency, we should launch our own Resistance. Turnabout is fair play, after all.

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  6. fugeguy October 5, 2020 at 10:23 am #

    Really does not matter who wins at this point.

    The country continues to spiral out of control and needs a giant enima.

    Maybe at least if T wins we can buy ammo again. We will need it.

    Even the posters here seem farther from reality with each of JHK’s thoughtful posts. Imagine how far the average American and other residents of this world wander from it?

    Time to go grey. Can’t let it bother me anymore. To infuriating to bother with.

    • SoftStarLight October 5, 2020 at 10:42 am #

      Oh ok. So what are the realities that everyone seems to be missing? While you are going grey there will be many who will be happy to fill the vacuum. It sounds like your viewpoint is sort of the standard Western dead man walking viewpoint of giving up and relinquishing everything. Oh well. There will be people very happy to pick up the pieces for themselves and carry on. Of course in the way they see fit. Which may actually please you even less than the current infuriating circumstances.

      • toktomi October 5, 2020 at 1:06 pm #


        Apparently, you believe that somewhere in the masses there is a hint of a conscious ability to influence the machinations of a spun-out industrial human society.


        I won’t bother with the overwhelming evidence of the fallacy of such a notion. However, I would ask rhetorically, what arrogance of wisdom and right would it require for someone to believe that they should have the ability to affect the circumstances of the rest of the humanity?


        • Doug October 5, 2020 at 5:07 pm #

          Full on Nihilism toktomi.

          Nihilism is a lack of a faith. And a lack of a faith is a very real problem with The Left and therefore our Nation. They denigrate people of faith while they don’t have a good answer. Instead, they dangerously put all their faith in “man” and man’s institutions — which lead to inevitable disappointment and even disaster. Look at China, like any communist country, it wants to stamp out any religious faith and substitute faith in “man” and his institutions (the Communist party collective). It leads to disaster every time and no change is allowed!! If you don’t like it, tough.

          Lack of faith is what makes Leftists fundamentally haters, not lovers. They aren’t happy people. They tend to be angry, frustrated, sometimes hysterical or cynical busy-bodies who want to control YOUR life because they think that they know best. They are cynical and pessimistic–even Malthusian. Cynicism and unhappiness are the fruits of a lack of faith.

          Ring any bell Toktomi??

        • eatabanker October 6, 2020 at 5:17 am #

          How about applying your astoundingly stupid question to such personalities as Buddha, Muhammed, Edison, Mao, Marx, Einstein, Newton,Shakespeare, Gutenberg, Ford, Galilieo, James Cook, Tesla, Columbus, Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, Moses, Cortez, Sun Tzu, Confucius, Lao Tzu, Curie, Hitler, Napoleon, Gandhi, Freud, Shankar Adi Shankara, Darwin, DaVinci, Jesus, Jacob Rothschild, even the likes Lewis Carroll, Timothy Leary, Bob Dylan, Walt Disney, on and on…

          All these people influenced humanity’s course indelibly and single-handedly. They most certainly did not regard themselves and everyone else ontologically as insignificant, pointless and helpless.

          And your “spun-out industrial society’, whatever that means,
          is merely a brief chapter in the individual and social evolution of our species.

    • Kim October 5, 2020 at 11:06 am #

      @ fugeguy

      The country is certainly spiraling out if control. The whole world is – not just the USA, have you glanced at Nicaragua and Mexico lately? – but some places just have further to fall. It’s the end of cheap energy.

      So things will be bad for everyone who can’t feed himself. That means almost everyone.

      The next step is going to be handing out free money to all the people who lost their jobs and small businesses or can’t pay their mortgages bcs of the rona.

      The effect of that? Inflation maybe. More dependency and despair, certainly.

      People need a purpose in life, not just cash in hand. Ted Kuczinsky described the most psychically important of these as the activities we must engage in to satisfy our basic needs. Cash in hand does not satisfy that need. And in an impoverished world we cannot afford to indulge ourselves with what he called “surrogate activities” to give meaning to our lives. These are things like politics, hobbies, careers, sports, etc.

      Maybe when things get really tough we will find meaning in war, fighting, and stealing to survive.

      Many men find that in the conditions of war life has a stronger, deeper meaning for them. This is really very common. Maybe it will happen like this for you, too.

      • toktomi October 5, 2020 at 1:15 pm #


        Spoiler Alert – Few among the species has been able to “feed himself” since the advent of industrialization. Machines do virtually all of the work. Industrial society is an energy welfare for state for nearly all.

        This is not rocket science esoterica. But it often seems so to listen to the arrogance of common utterances.

        I could be wrong.


    • Billy Hill October 5, 2020 at 12:45 pm #

      Enema. Don’t intend to be pedantic. When I first read it I saw “enigma.”

      That morphed to the thought we had enough enigmata, and who knows, another might be an enigma too far.

  7. malthuss October 5, 2020 at 10:54 am #

    found this at UNZ.com

    Yet another innocent White woman has been brutally murdered by a remorseless Black in suburban Maryland, but take heart!

    Across the river in suburban Virginia, the Catholic Diocese of Arlington knows the real problem is white racism and is taking action to combat it. Gee, how lucky we are! /sarc

    Recently I read that government-imposed lockdowns and restrictions on church attendance are likely to result in the closure of 20% of the nation’s churches within the next 18 months. Given the BS coming out of churches these days, that’s not necessarily a bad thing.

    Arlington’s Catholic leader asks advisory panel for ‘action plan’ to address racism

    Catholics across Virginia are being called on to confront racism in their communities.

    The Catholic Diocese of Arlington has established a 14-member council to advise Bishop Michael Burbidge on racism and look for “actionable” ways to right the wrong of systemic racism and promote the wellbeing of all people.

    • Kim October 5, 2020 at 11:23 am #


      It is a weird story. The suspect, 26 years old, shot the girl, 20 year old, when he shot (indiscriminately?) into the house, possibly to kill the 15 year old brother.

      Meanwhile, yesterday Chicago hit 3100 shootings for the year so far. That’s just in one city!

      Yet neither yet another black-on-white killing nor the endemic black-on-black killings get national coverage.

      But conspiracies (of silence) aren’t real, you know.

      • Daddyotis October 5, 2020 at 2:32 pm #

        It’s the inanimate guns in that city, Kim. They fire themselves, indiscriminately killing (mostly black) innocents.

        If we’d all just listed to the sage advice of Beto & Uncle Joe: get rid of the guns, and the problems are solved.

        /sarc off

        • BackRowHeckler October 5, 2020 at 10:00 pm #

          Then they go to the blade, which is what happened in London and New Haven.

          Another tactic is to set your antagonist’s house on fire — at night when everyone in it is sleeping. That strategy seems to have been imported from South of the Border, way south.


      • malthuss October 9, 2020 at 2:55 pm #

        OJ Simpson is the only case I can think of that was front page news, in that category.

    • teddyboy46 October 5, 2020 at 11:32 am #

      the Catholic church really bought into the racism hustle. to bad I was hoping they would stay out of it.

      • BackRowHeckler October 5, 2020 at 1:42 pm #

        Well, in this town, the historic Congregational Church on the Green, c1640, proudly displays a massive BLM sign on the lawn, and flies a multi colored Gay Nation flag just underneath the American flag.

        Apparently they’re down for it all.

        The Catholic Church just down the street has its Nativity scene out front, that’s all.


        • abbybwood October 6, 2020 at 12:48 am #

          “Social insurance”??

          BLM will turn on them and burn their church down if anyone in the congregation looks crossed-eyed at them or says something stupid like, “ALL lives matter as we love one another.”

          That policy will NEVER cover anyone.

    • toktomi October 5, 2020 at 1:19 pm #


      …when Bang! Bang! Bang! on that old worn out drum sounds like thud, thud, thud rhyming with dud, dud, dud – ugh



  8. mdhendler October 5, 2020 at 10:56 am #

    The steroid treatment is what pumped up Trump so he could go out greeting his followers. It will be scary to see what Trump becomes with the steroid treatment.
    See the 1956 film “Bigger Than Life” with James Mason. He is a normal person who is treated with steroids for a medical condition. However, he turns into a murderous, ego-maniac. He becomes what Trump is now. So Trump on steroids will become Double-Trump. Scary, indeed!

    • Kim October 5, 2020 at 11:08 am #

      On the medical theme, any news about treatments for Trump Derangement Syndrome?

      • abbybwood October 5, 2020 at 12:13 pm #

        There is only one treatment for TDS.

        Trump has to be taken out of power and a Democrat (preferably putting a woman like Hillary or Harris in charge) has to sit in the Oval Office and must quickly reverse all the horrible programs Trump signed into law.

        Pretend like Hillary won and that the last four years was just one big, bad dream. Throw in a nice hot war for the MIC and poof!…….TDS gone!

    • Captain Swing October 5, 2020 at 8:47 pm #

      Robotrump? “Lay down your weapons and prepare to be fired!” Another Michael Bay “epic”…

    • abbybwood October 6, 2020 at 12:51 am #

      He most likely got a loading dose of prednisone IV and now is on the characteristic “Medrol dosepak” almost all of us have had from time to time to fight inflammation.

      Give the man a freakin’ break.

    • SpeedyBB October 8, 2020 at 10:56 am #

      That’s intriguing, mdhendler.

      Perhaps it explains the [corporate media-reported] alarm in the WH about the slew of tweets and threats made (“…make China pay for this disease…” – maybe using some of those trillions in Uncle Sam Treasury Bonds to make payment?)

      I would not be too surprised to see the man taken aside and told what’s what, the way he must have heard it from our colorful Sicilian brethren when he opened those casinos in [mobbed-up] New Jersey. At the end of each meeting he was able to walk out of the room under his own power so he knows when to knuckle under.

      With the right squad of heavies paying a late-night visit he might just quiet down a bit – but the muy mala medicina he is on could just take control and keep him squawking until firmer action is taken to exert a calming influence.

      I have been keeping an eye on these actors since the 1950s and this is maybe the second prez (after LBJ, who was going off the rails in the mid-1960s) to scare his own team so badly. Or should I include Tricky Dicky in there too?

  9. SoftStarLight October 5, 2020 at 11:15 am #

    Wherefore art thou Pucker? Lol 🙂

  10. Anthony1954 October 5, 2020 at 11:15 am #

    You banned K-Dog
    Alex Jones at Radio Ecoshock calls you a right wing fascist.
    You blog had degraded into a right wing fuck fest.
    See you and all your toadies on the battle field as we will not allow Trump and his fascist followers take out country.
    SEE YA

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    • Ron Anselmo October 5, 2020 at 11:26 am #

      Anthony – LOL, don’t kid yourself, you won’t last five minutes with those that are “standing back and standing by”.

    • teddyboy46 October 5, 2020 at 11:33 am #

      well if it another CIA Social Media Agent at work.

      • K-Dog October 5, 2020 at 12:23 pm #

        Homeland Security and the FBI are the ones teddyboy46. When they are not sucking on Trump, that is the tit Jim and his minions suck from. Not the CIA . If you find out any specific details as I did then perhaps the CIA might get into the act of harassing you, but the CIA works outside US borders. But since a harassment team uses an ‘it takes a village approach’ unless things have changed, there could be CIA agent or two involved. When I was gang-stalked a TSA agent participated. He went to high school with someone I know which is how I found out. Sometimes it is indeed a small world.

        If Trump’s kiss ass lying doctors knew the van was hermetically sealed then they are in violation of their oaths. “Primum non nocere” which translates to “first, do no harm”. It would be impossible not to contract covid in a sealed van.

        Anthony, thanks for the mention. You are absolutely right. This place degenerated into a right-wing fuck fest of intolerant cretins.

        • BackRowHeckler October 5, 2020 at 1:48 pm #

          K-Dog, how about an update on Seattle’s ‘Defund the Police’ initiative. All we know so far is the city hired a convicted pimp to engage with gangs and vagrants, crime is out of sight, and the Blood Red Royal Crips have stepped up to provide security and muscle for the distinguished City Council.


          • abbybwood October 6, 2020 at 1:38 am #

            On that same note I see where today the bowing, boot-licking coward mouse Mayor Garcetti switched his endorsement for DA in Los Angeles against a law and order Black woman named Lacey whose husband got his gun and threatened Black Lives Matter protesters who were threatening their property/lives over to Lacey’s Soros funded BLM ass-kisser DA opponent Gascon.10

            Garcetti is such a weak, spineless tool facing the mob. He will kiss their boots, swear his allegiance and swear he is a repentant White supremacist who is unworthy to even look them in the eye when he speaks.

            Kinda like the help working at Streisand’s or Ellen’s houses in Malibu. Make eye contact and you are fired.

            Garcett’s new Bible is the book “White Fragility” that is being carried by all the wokesters on college campuses. He is Soros’ BITCH now $$$$ (political whore as well).

            All I can say is please vote for Lacey for DA in Los Angeles and don’t fall for the woke Soros/Garcetti BLM lawlessness being peddled in a vote for Gascon, Soros’ bitch.

        • Ron Anselmo October 5, 2020 at 2:04 pm #

          So, if you caught the flu in a van, what then?

        • Sredni Vashtar October 5, 2020 at 2:12 pm #

          So that’s why the head of the FBI said “White Supremacists” are the number one terrorist danger to America?

          Your Antifa worldview is simply nonsense. When Kamala assumes the throne, she has Prima Nocte rights over you.

        • Daddyotis October 5, 2020 at 2:35 pm #

          I thought you left a month or so ago, making a big production of it as you sashayed out the door.

          Welcome back. Just try to keep the TDS at bay. It’s really demonic possession, you know.

        • eatabanker October 6, 2020 at 6:06 am #

          Oh shit! You again, K-Dog? I thought you promised to leave?

          • K-Dog October 6, 2020 at 10:32 pm #

            Don’t worry, your paycheck is secure.

    • Kim October 5, 2020 at 11:40 am #

      @ Anthony1954

      You’d better make the best of it this time around bcs the Supremes are about to go 5-4 and Trump may yet get to make it 6-3…for the next 50 years.

      In the last four years he has also appointed 139 District Court judges (21% of total) and 192 Federal judges (also 21% of the total).

      He is expected to appoint at least the same number again by the end of 2024.

      Border walls flying up. “Refugee” numbers way down. No new wars. No Paris Climate Trap, no TTP, NAFTA renegotiated, expelling Chinese spies, closing Houston Chinese spy center, ending the Critical Theory crap, exposing the weakness and duplicity and corruption of leftist mayors and governors….

      Mm mmm, those salty, salty lefties tears…

    • Mountain gal October 5, 2020 at 11:49 am #

      Last I checked, it’s his blog. Start your own if you want.

      • toktomi October 5, 2020 at 1:23 pm #

        @Mountain gal

        Oh, the ol’, “if you don’t like it, then leave” rationale?

        And what might be your logic [logic being the absence of contradictions] in that suggestion?

        I’m confident that YOU can do better.


        • Sredni Vashtar October 5, 2020 at 2:16 pm #

          Yeah no talking on line because it’s all owned by someone, the tech providers at the very least. And not the street corner either – the street sweepers won’t like it.

          Freedom isn’t free. Lead is the ultimate precious metal. And red is the color of my true love’s hair.

    • Pete October 5, 2020 at 12:10 pm #

      Our venerable host is an honest man. He has NEVER signed off on the abhorrent lies of the main stream media, and the Democrat National Committee.

      In these pages I have read about not only the angst he feels, but also the duty he acknowledges to report the truth about the DNC’s treachery.

      You would do well to follow his lead, as only the most depraved liars would repeat the DNC’s talking points.

    • beantownbill. October 5, 2020 at 12:25 pm #

      Be accurate and truthful. K-dog left of his own accord.

      • K-Dog October 5, 2020 at 12:45 pm #

        Yes beantown, but it depends on what you consider banned. If your comments are being nuked but your account remains active the definition gets a bit philosophic. I’d not call Anthony1954 inaccurate. His point is valid. I left of my own accord but I left because my comments were being selectively banned whenever I pissed daddy off.

        • beantownbill. October 5, 2020 at 1:16 pm #

          OK, I’ll cede the point. I can understand being frustrated that all your posts weren’t published. I’d be too. However, IMO, there was no need for your posts to then be so nasty. It was upsetting to me. I’m not really overly sensitive, but I like real discourse, not ranting.
          I always liked you, Keith. I wish you’d come back, in spite of your frustrations, but only if you didn’t let your dislikes get the better of you.

          • K-Dog October 5, 2020 at 1:34 pm #

            Best I stay away then Bill. From my point of view being ‘nasty’ is only telling my truth and as I mature and develop character which I intend to do as long as I live, I become ever more defined and outspoken. Which to some means getting ever more nasty no doubt!

            I always liked you too.

          • Night Owl October 5, 2020 at 1:44 pm #

            Telling “your” truth.

            Pro tip: deal in “the truth.”

          • benr October 5, 2020 at 2:18 pm #


            Have you reached old guy status of yelling at people to get off the grass?

            Your points only indicate you are getting old and set in your ways.
            Lighten up man.

          • Daddyotis October 5, 2020 at 2:40 pm #

            Kdog: thank you for the kind words. I always liked you as well.

            Just try to realize that “your truth” is likely different than “the truth”

        • toktomi October 5, 2020 at 1:27 pm #


          Perhaps, sorting and judicially applying intellect from emotion might serve you better.


          • K-Dog October 5, 2020 at 1:35 pm #

            But will you give me a magic decoder ring when I meet your standards? I doubt it.

          • toktomi October 5, 2020 at 3:25 pm #


            …from Toktomi’s Basic Tenets of Life:

            #3 We can discern differences.

            Have you not yet identified, in the main, the differences between your emotional self and your intellectual self [and behaviors]?
            Perhaps, you do need a decoder ring.


          • K-Dog October 6, 2020 at 12:02 am #


            cognitive intelligence
            emotional intelligence
            intrapersonal intelligence
            moral intelligence
            kinesthetic intelligence
            spiritual intelligence

            Which one do you think I need the most work in?

    • Doug October 5, 2020 at 5:16 pm #

      There is a real mental distress with this one. I would call it ‘weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

      Who’s the hateful ones Anthony?? Not Trump, Not conservatives (ask Brandon Straka). It is you that is full of hate. The “nation of hate” is the Left.

      If it has to be the “battlefield”, then so be it.

      A real sad sack, you are.

    • eatabanker October 6, 2020 at 6:03 am #

      Whoa, grampy. Cool down before you soil your diapers.

      “See you and all your toadies on the battlefield….” hahaha, “toadies”, that’s an oldie but a goodie. Thanks for the laugh.

  11. SoftStarLight October 5, 2020 at 11:20 am #

    DJT has defeated rona. I feel safe.

    • Sredni Vashtar October 5, 2020 at 3:13 pm #

      He took the witch’s broom away from her and now he rides it beneath the full moon. Meanwhile Rona and her TDS acolytes jump up and down in frustration.

  12. stelmosfire October 5, 2020 at 11:33 am #

    I hear that a BLM/Antifa/CIA mole housekeeper smuggled some Covid infected blankets into the Whitehouse. Not just as an attack on the President but because it IS a White House!

    • SoftStarLight October 5, 2020 at 11:43 am #

      Wow, that is a good point! We have to keep in mind that they are going to want to change the name of the White House because of it’s systemically racist over and under tones.

      • Sredni Vashtar October 5, 2020 at 2:18 pm #

        They will paint it black, literally.

  13. SW October 5, 2020 at 11:33 am #

    From what I’ve understood, Trump and all the people around him are tested daily for the virus so obviously they caught it early. And he had the best medical treatment available — if you get it, don’t wait for the helicopter to wisk you off to a top medical center. Though he’s 74 and overweight, he doesn’t have respiratory problems, diabetes or heart disease so his chances going down were greatly reduced already. Just like they are for most people.

    The UK has gone even crazier lately — no more than 6 family members can gather at one time even though public transportation, restaurants and many businesses are open. There goes Christmas! Parliament is now demanding the right to vote on lockdowns and transparency on these decisions that effect everyone.

    • beantownbill. October 5, 2020 at 12:01 pm #

      Just a comment to let you know I generally appreciate your posts. They seem to be level-headed.

      • malthuss October 5, 2020 at 1:26 pm #

        level headed may be boring.

        we need look behind the curtain and see the conspiracies’.

        • toktomi October 5, 2020 at 1:39 pm #


          What possible good could come from peaking behind the curtains of all these political theatrics? All that you will see is the “script girl”.

          Yer gonna have to dig a bit deeper than that to get a glimpse of the puppet masters. And even then, if yer powers of deduction are immaculate, whatcha gonna do about it?

          Oh, dear lawd, tend to these souls of fantasy for they speak [thus conceive] with a language little changed since spawned in a creature of an intellect largely equal to great apes.

          maybe not


        • SW October 5, 2020 at 3:09 pm #

          I think that’s what Parliament is trying to do — make Boris Johnson show the data (and defend it) that effects people’s lives. That’s what every government should be doing instead of dictating “the rules” we’re all to follow with no real facts, only drama.

          Thanks Bill 🙂

          @malthuss — I think there are some conspiracies but b/c they’re not investigated by anyone, the same crap is repeated over and over. All the way back to Charlottesville no one asked one question about who these people Antifa people were, how they were organized or who was paying the freight. Now Biden says “they’re an idea — not a group” and goes unchallenged.

  14. Mountain gal October 5, 2020 at 11:48 am #

    Glad to hear that both he and Melania are doing better. Reading the nasty hate-filled posts both on MSM and locally, that wish him all manner of illness and death is sobering. I wasn’t too keen on Ronald Reagan but I was horrified that someone shot him. I’m not Catholic but was horrified when the Pope was attacked. What is all of this nastiness about? I wouldn’t wish ill on Biden, Harris or Pelosi yet don’t support or care for them.

    • SoftStarLight October 5, 2020 at 12:01 pm #

      This is the standard operating procedure for progressive terrorists. They have actually been doing this for a very long time but now they can’t hide it at all. Isn’t it clear how in-human and inhumane their agenda really is? I don’t wish ill on Biden either. I believe he is actually being subjected to elder abuse. But then I guess that is to be expected with people whose humanness is questionable.

    • beantownbill. October 5, 2020 at 12:02 pm #

      See what I just wrote above to SW. I feel the same way about your comments.

      • beantownbill. October 5, 2020 at 12:04 pm #

        Want for Mountain gal.

        • beantownbill. October 5, 2020 at 12:13 pm #

          Geez, I hate this autofill. I wanted to say ‘meant’, but my iPad kept saying ‘want’. I also hate the out-of-control capitalization function. You’d think Apple has enough money to improve their iPad IOS.

      • Mountain gal October 5, 2020 at 5:01 pm #

        Thanks beantownbill.

    • Night Owl October 5, 2020 at 1:46 pm #

      What is it about?


  15. beantownbill. October 5, 2020 at 11:58 am #

    The hairless ape society, aka humanity, is really acting like excitable, poo-flinging monkeys. Everybody is at each other’s throats. Seems to me that all this conflict is a reaction to stress, as people either consciously or unconsciously are realizing this is the beginning of the end of our way of life.

    Instead of fighting and blaming, isn’t it time to stick together to try to deal with our civilizational issues? Isn’t it time to stop being the hairless ape, and grow up to become what nature intended us to be – Homo sapiens sapiens?

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    • toktomi October 5, 2020 at 1:49 pm #


      I would offer…

      Energy. “Olduvai Theory” [Richard C. Duncan]

      There are no solutions to the current state of industrial human society and its impending new order.
      The only possible “solutions” are personal, mostly for some few tens of thousands of apical elite plus their domestic staff so to speak.

      Again, not rocket science; the logical dots are all there if ya have a spare decade or two to research the subject and to connect the dots.

      But that’s just an opinion. Pursue your own dreams until daylight.


      • beantownbill. October 5, 2020 at 2:20 pm #

        Yes, that may be true, but it doesn’t mean we give up.

      • Doug October 5, 2020 at 5:51 pm #

        More nihilism toktomi. Technology will likely save the day even in the energy world. 4th generation nuclear reactors or Thorium Molten salt reactors are the answer to the next phase after oil and gas. It literally has to be.

    • Sredni Vashtar October 5, 2020 at 2:25 pm #

      There’s one interesting theory that once a Society is successful and prosperous, defeating all eternal enemies, it has to tear itself apart because many only find meaning in conflict and having an enemy. We need the other, do we not? To create the “us” and maintain group solidarity. If everybody is “us” then there is no us in other words.

      The size and scope of Societies has become too great for the emotional resources of the average man. For some team sports meets this need. But for the Liberals it does not. They want actual conflict not just symbolic.

  16. finuch October 5, 2020 at 12:13 pm #

    Something’s changed and not for the better. The drift towards hollowness began with Starlight’s nonsensical comments a year-or-two ago, and I see that he/she’s now slipped back in, after a brief hiatus. The blog has followed on a downward trajectory ever since with too much nastiness and pointlessness, comments yanking this blog ever further to the right. How to label this blog now? It used to be rich with commenters, i.e., Walter B, Green Alba, Paolo, Ol’ Scratch, K-Dog, intelligent, thoughtful, and I miss them. Now, it’s empty and teaches nothing, it’s loyal posters a toxic club. How JHK let this happen baffles me.

    Baffled Finuch??? Have you not noticed how insane, vicious, and knavish the Democratic Party and its allies have become: Cancel culture, Free speech as “hate speech,” critical race theory training, looting as “reparations,” burning down businesses and livelihoods in the name of “social justice,” sexual confusion and depravity, crusade against “whiteness,” Christine Blasey Ford, Adam Schiff, Eric Swalwel, Ilhan Omar, Ayamna Pressley, Rshida Tlaib…! My Gawd what a cavalcade of misbegotten ideas and deranged rascals! Henceforth, you are known here as Mezzofinuch the Woke Warrior! — JHK-Admin

    • beantownbill. October 5, 2020 at 12:17 pm #

      I’ve always liked Walter. What you’re really saying is that you don’t like JHK’s swing from the liberal side.

    • abbybwood October 5, 2020 at 12:22 pm #

      The truth can be a harsh mistress.

      I am a truth seeker which is why I read this blog on Friday and Monday.

      I see JHK as an honest researcher and talented writer and I trust his instincts where ever they may lead.

      • toktomi October 5, 2020 at 2:08 pm #


        Could you restate all of that without using that ancient illusory language relic, “truth”?

        From “Toktomi’s Dictionary of Mistreated Terms”:
        truth | that which is indisputable; a weapon used by some to influence or control the opinions of others; delusional self-assuredness

        I have yet to encounter in my life any notion that is without a shred of disputability.

        I completely agree with any notion that truth must be intensely sought interminably but not with the baseless fantasy of ever being able to discover it.

        The door is here -> Knowledge, truth, reality is an illusion.

        It matters not what is
        For what is cannot be discerned.
        It matters only what we believe
        For what we believe is all that we have learned.

        or not; fuck it


        • hmuller October 6, 2020 at 10:42 am #

          There’s speculative philosophy, and then there’s life. The judicial system cannot function without the concept of truth – be it real or a human construct. Same thing with human free will and responsibility for crime. “I didn’t want to commit the crime, your honor. But chemical reactions in my brain made it inevitable”

          A functioning society can’t dwell too deeply in metaphysical possibilities.

      • Sredni Vashtar October 5, 2020 at 6:20 pm #

        Like the Moon. I just bought a biography of Heinlein.

        • abbybwood October 6, 2020 at 1:50 am #

          I just a friend “Stranger in a Strange Land” by Heinlein.

          One of the only books I have read more than once.

          About to get into Kunstler’s “Halloween Ball” again. Great seasonal escapism….and boy do I need some!

    • K-Dog October 5, 2020 at 1:20 pm #

      Thank you finuch. But I can’t help watching this in progress train wreck. Old habits die hard and I was here from the beginning. Many years and many thousands of comments ago.

      Today I had to see what JHK would do with this hot Trump mess. JHK did not do well with it, but to be fair it would be damn hard to put lipstick on this pig. It appears Trump lost what little mind he had.

      If I am mentioned I might respond and since I am 95% gone; some can and will call that stalking. In time I will stop dropping by. Then I can be insulted with impunity if I am remembered at all or should my account become locked, whichever comes first.

      • Night Owl October 5, 2020 at 1:48 pm #

        You have left and returned four times now.

        The only thing you appear to have stopped doing is telling everyone to go to your blog.

        • toktomi October 5, 2020 at 2:12 pm #

          @Night Owl

          >telling everyone to go to your blog

          just a little peccadillo to add a little picadillo to the meal


      • Sredni Vashtar October 5, 2020 at 2:32 pm #

        Now that you’re back do you care to defend your thesis of racial equality – as in equity or sameness? The breeds of dogs are not the same, even though they are all dogs. The are many makes of cars, they are not all the same, even though all cars, etc. They do not all have the same features, get the same mileage, have the same lifespan, etc. And some are “smarter” than others, others faster than others.

        • Rain Waters October 5, 2020 at 4:16 pm #

          Some are shiny masterpieces full of worn out parts.

    • FreddieMars October 5, 2020 at 8:45 pm #

      Excuse me, Mr Kunstler, but aren’t you missing finuch’s point?

      I’ve been reading this blog for a quite some time, and s/he has a point about the current level of invective aimed at anyone who doesn’t hold with the Trumpism narrative, and as a result, many of those more moderate posters seem to have disappeared in recent months.

      That’s regardless of whether such a commenter has any truck with the “insane, vicious and knavish” behaviour you inveigle against so stridently in this very post. Your hyperbole aside, holding one position does not, necessarily, mean the other is also operative.

      What, please, was so ‘woke’ about finuch’s observation?

      • K-Dog October 6, 2020 at 10:45 pm #

        I agree FreddieMars.

        The DNC is not allowing blatant racism to continue to exist here. Someone else is doing that.

        I had someone tell me that they were tuning in every week here to watch the attacks on ME. He was impressed by my ability to take the shit and totally understands why I moved on.

        And having moved on I’m finding that it is not even a good idea to visit.

        Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.

        But don’t worry clusterfuckers I’m not staying. I don’t want your dirt on my wings.

        • FreddieMars October 7, 2020 at 3:42 am #

          That’s a pity, K-Dog. Your perspective is valuable and your calling out of the trolls is…I want to say ‘courageous’ but that may be over-egging it a tad.

          • Sredni Vashtar October 7, 2020 at 12:40 pm #

            I prefer Jason to Freddie for just such subtlety. Jason never hurries but he’s always where he needs to be.

  17. SouthernYankee October 5, 2020 at 12:15 pm #

    And the backdrop to all the luncay, abstract as it may appear, is still Peak Oil, the resulting civilization collapse, and the attendant crumbling financial edifice which made it all possible.

    • beantownbill. October 5, 2020 at 12:20 pm #

      Yes, that is the crux, along with overpopulation.

      (I find I have a little time today, that’s why I can comment so much.)

      • SouthernYankee October 5, 2020 at 12:23 pm #

        Actually Bill you’re right it’s both Peak Oil and overpopulation. I stand corrected.

      • Amman October 5, 2020 at 12:37 pm #

        Over-population is a hoax. The whole world can fit into Switzerland.

        • beantownbill. October 5, 2020 at 1:01 pm #

          Actually, the whole world could live in a cube two miles on a side.

          Living space is not the criterion for overpopulation. Food production ( based on factors such as arable soil, and availability of petroleum-based fertilizers), clean water and air quality, climate change, ocean pollution, and difficult to describe psychological effects due to overcrowding (rats in a social-crowding experiment began appearing overly aggressive).

          Saying overpopulation is a hoax is not an accurate statement, IMO.

        • toktomi October 5, 2020 at 2:16 pm #


          That’s cute.


        • SouthernYankee October 5, 2020 at 7:31 pm #

          Of course Amman, as long as each person only occupies a space no larger than an alpine tree and learns to live vertically at 15,000′

      • cbeard October 5, 2020 at 7:20 pm #

        Overpopulation is truly the 800lb. gorilla in the room.

        • SouthernYankee October 5, 2020 at 7:34 pm #

          And the “excess” population was tolerable (read: sustainable) as long as the debt based world economy could continue to expand which it no longer can because of peak oil.

  18. Sean Coleman October 5, 2020 at 12:16 pm #

    Great article.

    I overheard RTE, Ireland’s state broadcaster, over the weekend state that Trump’s medical team were very optimistic but that an “unnamed source” “very close tot he President” was gravely concerned. I just laughed at it. They are clutching at straws.

    I also saw a clip on YT where the Scottish reporter (for Sky News) was picking at the way the White House had changed the account of his illness from 48 hours and 72 hours to two and three days. It was suspected that they were being deliberately vague to conceal the possibility that Trump had attended public gatherings in the knowledge that he was ill. 48 hours is just a daft way of saying two days; you never hear anyone say 47 or 49 hours. I think the term is spurious accuracy.

    It is on a level with the NYT’s and the WaPo’s puerile lists of the President’s Lies.

    • Night Owl October 5, 2020 at 1:49 pm #

      They have lost control of the narrative. And it is glorious to watch.

    • Sredni Vashtar October 5, 2020 at 2:37 pm #

      Why is no one reporting on Trump’s bowel movements?

      • GreenAlba October 6, 2020 at 7:12 am #

        Are you proposing something akin to Pharoah’s Guardian of the Royal Anus? A Kellyanne Conway of the Colon?

        Levity aside (well, not entirely), it’s not irrelevant, bearing in mind what has been established about the ability of the virus (in about 20% of patients) to shed in faeces, sometimes for weeks after the patient is recovered. I presume he has his own presidential loos, of course, so that only the cleaners need to worry about the extra precautions, and not everyone else in the WH.

      • FreddieMars October 7, 2020 at 4:40 pm #

        SV, are you volunteering for the “Groom of the Stool” gig?


  19. Ishabaka October 5, 2020 at 12:18 pm #

    President Trump was infected with Covid-19. After four days of intense pain, the virus died.

    • Amman October 5, 2020 at 12:51 pm #

      Good one.

  20. Goldy89 October 5, 2020 at 12:47 pm #

    Just wear a freaking mask. Same as the President and his lemmings should have been doing.

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    • toktomi October 5, 2020 at 2:22 pm #


      The results of a new, coincidentally, long term study were recently released and cited in the “New England Journal of Medicine” wherein the researches concluded that breathing through the mouth with teeth clenched is more effective than a mask in controlling the spread of pathogens.

      Quick, darlin’, go look it up.


      • stelmosfire October 5, 2020 at 4:36 pm #

        What if you are a Deplorable and don’ thave but one tooth?

        • beantownbill. October 5, 2020 at 5:14 pm #

          Then you apply for government subsidies to cover a whole set of false teeth; or implants.

  21. Amman October 5, 2020 at 12:49 pm #

    At first, I took this news as a major ratchet down in the LONG EMERGENCY (i.e. The news Trump had COVID 19 aka Certificate of Vaccination ID 19.) But I see now, after reading this article, nothing has changed. LE unfolds to something or place, who knows what or where….

  22. Chungified G October 5, 2020 at 12:50 pm #

    “Perhaps they will notice the Democratic Party’s investment in the Covid-19 lockdown narrative, and what it has done to their livelihoods, their families, and their futures. Maybe watching Mr. Trump get through this, they will see a way out of the woods.”

    Wait. The narrative messed up livelihoods, families, and futures? I thought it was a real virus doing what real viruses do… which is effing sh*t up.

    Meanwhile it’s unlikely the average American will have access to the kinds of miracle drugs and wonder workers that Trump has had to help him find his way back out of the dark woods that he helped create and put himself in.

    For the rest of us Hansels and Gretels out here, our breadcrumbs are long gone, Democrat or Republican or Disillusioned, the existential threat is the same: The forest is dark and there are witches afoot.

    • Goldy89 October 5, 2020 at 12:57 pm #

      Exactly right. No one is hoping the worst for the President. He will very likely pull through. Based on mortality statistics in his age group, he has a 19 in 20 chance without even accounting for the level of healthcare he generously paid $750 for or the fact that he is white.

      But that he created a spread that endangers others is reckless and arrogant. Sorry who was I talking about anyway? Surprise. Now Chris Christie his Corpulenceness should be quite worried.

    • Sredni Vashtar October 5, 2020 at 2:40 pm #

      Remember though, he tried to make some of that stuff available to people and the Medical Establishment fought him tooth and nail.

      The lockdown will kill far more people than the disease itself. Not even close. That includes homelessness, mental illness, suicide, divorce, and of course medical testing and treatments that have been radically postponed.

  23. John1945 October 5, 2020 at 12:58 pm #

    =Out of the Woods ?=

    Very funny, Mr.Kunstler.Or,to be more precise,it is not funny at all.
    It only appears that BLM/Antifa Pixies receded back into Earth’s crevices.

    Meanwhile at the very top:

    Nancy the First Witch:
    When shall we three meet again, In Thunder, Lightning or in Rain?

    Hillary the Second Witch:
    When the Hurlyburly’s done, When the Battle’s lost and won.

    Kamala the Third Witch:
    That will be ere the set of Sun.

    Nancy the First Witch:

    Fair is foul, and foul is fair:
    Hover through the Fog and filthy Air.

    (Macbeth,Act I Scene 1)

    • Sredni Vashtar October 5, 2020 at 2:55 pm #

      Well done. You have to do this since Tusc is awol with TDS.

    • elysianfield October 6, 2020 at 8:43 pm #

      Ordered the book…thanks.

  24. Nik Charles October 5, 2020 at 1:17 pm #

    I just spent a month in Idaho where I saw more bald eagles than people wearing masks. Only a few large chain stores required them. It was like normal life up there.

    Back in Colorado everyone is cowering.
    I found a very interesting video on the subject of the constitution and the virus. People here might find it enlightening. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCn5LuZOFZI&list=WL

    • toktomi October 5, 2020 at 2:26 pm #

      @Nik Charles

      OK, but cha gotta git through and past arithmetic before you can move on to eventually calculus and beyond.


    • Rain Waters October 5, 2020 at 4:20 pm #

      Wherever an infestation of cali has gentrified to its stupid behavior. Reno included.

  25. sunburstsoldier October 5, 2020 at 1:25 pm #

    As most of you who follow this blog are well aware we are entering a period of worldwide historical turbulence.The question is how will we as individuals respond to this turbulence? Digging a hole in the ground and crawling into it simply will not work. We can, after all, stockpile only so many cans of beans. There is only one viable alternative. We must bring more consciousness into our lives. Consciousness is energy. The more conscious (awake) we are the more energy we will have to find creative solutions to the challenges which lie before us.

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    • BackRowHeckler October 5, 2020 at 2:20 pm #

      Nice to hear from you again, SBS.

      The beleaguered citizens of Nagarno-Karabakh are digging holes in the ground and crawling in at this very moment, trying to avoid annihilation by Azer katushas and Armenian artillery … sometimes digging a hole and crawling in is sound strategy.


      • sunburstsoldier October 5, 2020 at 3:00 pm #

        Not in our case however Brh.

    • toktomi October 5, 2020 at 2:48 pm #



      Outstanding logic.

      Don’t forget prayer to our Almighty God or gods, I can’t ever remember.
      And the Oui Jai board, rattlesnake bone tossing, voting, blogging, football, finding the true answers, political activism, environmental activism, self flagellation, and all of the other massively parallel, profitable, and community conscious acts of self-delusion.

      OR, maybe the condition of industrial human society and the Universe are just a wee bit larger and uncontrollable that what the few, who put words together that imply these tiny little human organisms can cooperatively and consciously affect such magnitude, might suggest.

      By the way, where did you find that “one viable alternative”. How was is labeled? What made you believe the labeling? What was your reaction when you found two viable alternatives in the box of “one viable alternative” or was the box empty and you, in deep despair just made that shit up out of thin air?


      • Sredni Vashtar October 5, 2020 at 2:59 pm #

        We’re bringing back interpretation via entrails. But who’s is the question yet to be determined. Sheep? I like sheep. I like all animals so they’re out.

        Atheists? I don’t like them per se but some are good people. Communists?, you retort. Ah, Ah that’s an idea indeed.

      • sunburstsoldier October 5, 2020 at 2:59 pm #

        Only an increase in consciousness will save this world. Believe what you like.

  26. Reprobatedog2 October 5, 2020 at 1:27 pm #

    The President was given dexamethasone. Have you ever received dexamethasone? You could be just out of brain surgery and be given dexamethasone and yo would feel like you could run a marathon. Trump is not out of the woods and is being reckless.

    • Jo-G October 5, 2020 at 8:29 pm #

      I just did a quick search and it isn’t obvious from drugs.com or wikipedia that dexamethasone would have this effect on anyone let alone someone “just out of brain surgery”.

      • GreenAlba October 6, 2020 at 2:48 pm #

        It’s called ‘steroid-induced psychosis’. He’s probably got a mild version that makes him feel euphoric/a bit manic (look at me, I’m Superman!).

        Only a small percentage of patients get a more serious version of it, but it’s not unusual to feel like he seems to at the moment, apparently.


  27. ccm989 October 5, 2020 at 1:33 pm #

    There’s a reason medical protocols exist — that’s because they usually work — so that’s why you should follow them. But Trump laughed at people wearing masks, made fun of them, demanded other people remove their masks, called them losers and suckers (oh excuse me that was what Trump called military people). So ZERO sympathy for Trump. He did this to himself. What irks me is all the other people who exposed — waiters, maids, butlers, secretaries, file clerks, etc. All the people who work at the White House and have no choice (other than quit and lose their pensions).

    Lots of people are convinced that this is the “October Surprise” and that Trump is FAKING being sick. So then he can get magically better from the pharmaceutical companies he has invested in. So maybe he’s sick, maybe not. One thing is certain — Trump is desperate to win the election. If he loses, he might buy some time causing unrest in major cities by refusing to step down but that’s temporary. His future is either jail or spending the rest of his remaining life in Moscow. Wonder which it will be?

    • Night Owl October 5, 2020 at 1:50 pm #

      You tearing up in a heap in the corner.

    • Sredni Vashtar October 5, 2020 at 2:43 pm #

      Can you record your primal scream on election night when Trump wins?

    • Ron Anselmo October 5, 2020 at 4:03 pm #

      Wah, they’re all catching the flu, wah.

      • Ron Anselmo October 5, 2020 at 4:12 pm #


        Yes, you are correct – “There’s a reason medical protocols exist — that’s because they usually work — so that’s why you should follow them.”

        He’s not FAKING, he actually has the flu. He’ll get some rest, drink lots of fluids, take some medication, and be back to work in a few days.

  28. Htruth October 5, 2020 at 2:11 pm #

    Trump’s Medical Bill: https://americanyellowvest.wpcomstaging.com/2020/10/03/donald-trumps-medical-bill/

  29. Roundball Shaman October 5, 2020 at 2:13 pm #

    “Hallelujahs echoed across the Blue Media late last week when the news broke that Donald Trump tested positive for coronavirus… Except… wait a minute… he somehow arose from his bed-of-death…”
    Trump is one of those (lucky? crafty? sneaky?) people who have a way of turning everything that happens to them to their advantage. So following a pitiful and angry debate performance and the news that he doesn’t pay hardly any taxes, the fates are commanded to quickly turn all that mess around get everyone’s eyes off in another more compassionate direction.

    We already know that Trump is either, a) the Last Savior of the American Way of Life, or b) The Worst Person In The World. But we may not have known what an escape artist he was until now. Just when you think you’ve got him…

    Much has been made of his adopted last name, Trump. But we also know the root meaning of the word, as in Trump Card. The trump card is the one that outranks all others, or the condition of having a decisive advantage. Donald Trump seems to be the living embodiment of a Trump Card, taking rule over everything that tries to come at him whether it be angry cable personality or a virus that answers to no one. The trump card rules so long as one possesses it. No other card… or person… or group of people… can prevail over it.

    “As the president re-enters something like normal life in the days ahead, perhaps the rest of America will rethink the abnormalities of 2020… Maybe watching Mr. Trump get through this, they will see a way out of the woods.”

    Or maybe they will see Trump as having privilege and power and access to things not available to American Commoners and so the people become even more despondent. Americans see rich people getting richer and small business owners locking their doors and joining unemployment lines. They see their children sitting through fake learning on a box with dancing pixels and football games played before cardboard cutouts with fake faces on them during a sea of social messaging interrupted by the occasional pass play. Americans see fake all around them, and then return to look at their own life struggles that are very real with no one offering them such extraordinary potions or prayers to make it through to another day.

    • Sredni Vashtar October 5, 2020 at 2:46 pm #

      Trump is against the lockdown and the destruction of small businesses that it is causing. Ditto your beloved rioting.

      Sorry to pop your balloon of eloquent nonsense.

      • Goldy89 October 5, 2020 at 3:00 pm #

        What lockdown. We’re not locked down here in Michigan anymore, yet a virus has reduced demand spectacularly. Far worse than being locked down with PPP, is being open with demand a fraction of pre-Covid levels. Small businesses are dropping like flies. That is what a more nuanced thinker would understand, and address accordingly. We are more than likely entering a depression at this point. America just doesn’t know it yet. And Democrats and Republicans will have very few solid options without huge bailouts and eventual repricing of debt.

        • Sredni Vashtar October 5, 2020 at 3:23 pm #

          Yup, it was a stupid/brilliant idea – depending on your pov. The latter for the giant corporations and globalists.

    • FreddieMars October 5, 2020 at 6:05 pm #

      In the card game ‘Five Hundred’, the ultimate TRUMP card is also The Joker. Is Trump just punking us?

  30. tucsonspur October 5, 2020 at 2:22 pm #

    Get it together Jim, Trump did this to himself, and has just delivered us a Biden Harris presidency along with another year of death and suffering.

    Trump is neither a good hustler nor a good gambler.
    This NY hustler hustled himself (and us) into the hospital, played craps with the covid and with the lives of the American people, and came up with snake eyes and death cries.

    The man is one fucking bleating, bloated baboon of a betrayer. He’s betrayed the nation by literally killing it, and by allowing a Harris-Biden win.

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    • Sredni Vashtar October 5, 2020 at 2:48 pm #

      Just think: A Covid Virus he expelled has your name on it and is making its way towards you even now. You can run but you can’t hide. Your mask won’t stop it. It will just sit on the outside until the hear of your breath dries the droplet. Then it’s coming in.

      • tucsonspur October 5, 2020 at 4:23 pm #

        You know that I don’t run and that I don’t hide. But I won’t join the suicide squad, the destroyers of life. Life is worth living even with a little inconvenience.

        Go dangle with the droplets.

      • GreenAlba October 6, 2020 at 7:30 am #

        “It will just sit on the outside until the hear of your breath dries the droplet. Then it’s coming in.”

        Your memory is not good. You seem to have forgotten we established that, when the droplet dries, the virus dies. It cannot live on its own. It has needs, just like us. 🙂

        Actually the heat of your breath is likely to be less potent than the moisture of your breath, but since you weren’t serious anyway, it hardly matters. Especially since a virus is not a SAM at distances well beyond 2 metres.

        • Sredni Vashtar October 6, 2020 at 12:10 pm #

          I did not forget. It dies – immediately? No interim? No period of gasping “for breath”, only perhaps to be saved by the bell of Tusc’s in breath or his moist outbreaths?

          You lack imagination. That’s fatal in science. How else does one come up with questions and hypothesises (I know you’re going to torpedo me on the plural here but don’t lose focus) to investigate?

          As Blake said, God us keep, from Single Vision and Newton’s sleep.

          • GreenAlba October 6, 2020 at 12:35 pm #

            “It dies – immediately? No interim? No period of gasping “for breath”” […]

            If it’s gasping for breath, it’s not dead. I merely said it died. If you want to know the process, ask a virologist. There seem to be states of ‘live’, ‘live-ish but pretty inactive’ and ‘dead’ (and possibly others), but I’m not the person to ask and invention (or imagination as you call it) is completely pointless and inappropriate when others already know more than I do on the matter from actual observation.

            So the rest of your post is pointless. And mine was mostly tongue in cheek anyway, but your usual lack of humour shines through.

          • Sredni Vashtar October 6, 2020 at 5:02 pm #

            Some things are too important to fool around about. Decadent people are obsessed with humor and “laughing” as some kind of orgiastic release.

            Thank for admitting you don’t know. That is the first step towards knowledge.

            Old Persian saying, Never trust a man who never laughs or who never stops laughing. I’m in the middle, perhaps to the right of you though.

          • GreenAlba October 6, 2020 at 5:54 pm #

            “Thank for admitting you don’t know. That is the first step towards knowledge.”

            Yeah … because it’s a really significant step saying you don’t know about something there’s absolutely no reason for you to know.

            Next time you’re on Google, look up ‘hyperbole’.

          • Sredni Vashtar October 6, 2020 at 11:49 pm #

            Yeah we’ve only been talking about this for the last six months or so. Who would expect you to know anything about it? Not me!

          • GreenAlba October 7, 2020 at 6:32 am #

            I know a tiny amount of what is widely available to read by anyone if you search under particular terms (plus a tiny percentage more because I worked in medical publishing for 20 years). Hence, the last time you asked what happened to the virus when the droplets dried I looked it up and discovered that they died, because a virus needs host cells.

            If you wanted further research into how they died and whether they lay on their backs with their little legs in the air, gasping for breath and seeing their whole past life roll by before them, you could have looked it up.

            I’m not a substitute for your own effort – I just take the trouble to find things out for myself a little more than you do. And I probably understand some of it a little better. That should not make you presumptuous. A little grateful might be appropriate – as you seem to know because you occasionally say thank you, which I appreciate.

          • Sredni Vashtar October 7, 2020 at 12:44 pm #

            A water droplet is not a cell. We have been talking apples and oranges as per “mediums”. You still don’t understand the issue I brought up.

          • GreenAlba October 7, 2020 at 3:02 pm #

            “A water droplet is not a cell.”

            It’s not a ‘water droplet’. It’s what you spat out your mouth, not a flippin’ raindrop.

    • Night Owl October 5, 2020 at 5:10 pm #

      I thought it was all over for Trump last thread? You rejoiced too early. Your latest prediction will go over just as poorly.

      • tucsonspur October 5, 2020 at 5:47 pm #

        Don’t be a nit wit. I don’t rejoice in dire situations.

        • Night Owl October 6, 2020 at 2:21 am #

          96% percent chance of recovering.



  31. mdhendler October 5, 2020 at 2:32 pm #

    I eagerly await each week to read this blog and comments. It’s like a weekly installment of Mondo Cane. A weekly dose of frisson for the time of no circuses. It’s surrealistic in the style of Felini and Lynch.

  32. James Kuehl October 5, 2020 at 2:51 pm #

    One of the first things that came to mind when they put the prez in hospital was, how will they keep this hyperactive maniac tied down? Hard to believe the guy is in his 70s. He makes everyone around him look like statues in the park. If I were one of the pols trying to knock him off for the past four years I’d be lining up a safe house somewhere far, far away.

    • Sredni Vashtar October 5, 2020 at 3:01 pm #

      They tied him down and he broke free. The Orderlies tackled him but he knocked them away like they were Antifa skinnies. He bellowed, Bring my car around. I’m going for a ride.

  33. DrGonzo October 5, 2020 at 2:59 pm #

    So karma, and science, finally caught up with Mr. Trump and an alarming number of his White House staff. It must suck to tempt fate and lose.

    Good thing he has access to the exceptional medical care provided by Walter Reed hospital, even after paying a mere $750 in federal income taxes. Good thing the rest of us taxpayers are here to cover the bill, Donald! Get well soon!

    • Sredni Vashtar October 5, 2020 at 3:25 pm #

      You all put him under house arrest and he broke out. You must be doing a veritable Rumplestilskin right now.

    • tucsonspur October 5, 2020 at 4:41 pm #

      Punk put himself in, knew he was facing some shit, said he learned a lot about the covid. He’s okay, but everybody else around him might be dropping like flies.

      Yeah, the best medical care in the world, with the best doctors and the best therapeutics, great genes, and helicopter flights to Walter Reed.

      I’m lucky if I can catch a dirty cab to see some swarthy intern offering me some expired aspirin tablets.

  34. toktomi October 5, 2020 at 3:09 pm #


    First necessary premise for any of this conversation as it stands to date, I would offer:

    It is physically possible for the POTUSA to accidentally catch the Cozy.


    Is there anybody stirring about with an image, idea, story of the extent of global surveillance, computer data sets of all that data with query and simulation algorithms, and the possible application of those processes to map and to control the expanding web of contacts of the POTUSA? “Easy Peasy, Ethan”, give me the joystick and da boy catches no more than what I allow him to catch.

    But I fantasize [or BigJuan-size, if you will]


  35. toktomi October 5, 2020 at 3:18 pm #


    From Toktomi’s Dictionary of Mistreated Terms:

    education | the exploration of possibilities; not the ingestion and regurgitation of The Answers

    Now, go forth, explore, and synthesize. Remember, innovation is error dependent. Capitalize on your mistakes and forge on with the search.

    …or so it seems


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    • Sredni Vashtar October 5, 2020 at 3:27 pm #

      Yes, mistakes are the building blocks of the Edifice of Truth. Easy answers are so many hammers against the Edifice even as the wielders take it for granted and depend on it.

  36. wm5135 October 5, 2020 at 4:44 pm #

    The news automatically becomes the real world for the TV user and is not a substitute for reality, but is itself an immediate reality.
    Marshall McLuhan

  37. ohyesiam October 5, 2020 at 4:51 pm #

    What ever happened to the humane, visionary author of The Long Emergency?

    Shame on you Jim.

    • benr October 5, 2020 at 5:29 pm #

      Shame on you for being a thin skinned snowflake.

    • Night Owl October 5, 2020 at 5:30 pm #

      Quiver, quiver.

      • ohyesiam October 6, 2020 at 4:16 am #

        Dude, you’re on the internet, posting anonymously. Trying to play the tough guy is frankly ridiculous.

        • Night Owl October 6, 2020 at 8:08 am #

          Quiver, quiver goes the Jello.

          • elysianfield October 6, 2020 at 9:15 pm #

            …Must be Jelly, cause Jam don’t shake like that…

    • DrGonzo October 5, 2020 at 10:04 pm #

      No kidding, right?
      JHK has gone full Faux Nooze on us.

      A sad shadow of his former, visionary, urban-transformative self.

      Now he just spouts right-wing conspiracy theories and disses anyone who doesn’t dress or talk like him.

      Sad. I used to read him weekly. Now I just check in once a month to see whether he’s really gone off the deep end. The sighs are not good.

      • Night Owl October 6, 2020 at 2:24 am #

        You post every week, Cargill. This is at least your 5th handle.

        • Q. Shtik October 6, 2020 at 1:07 pm #

          You post every week, Cargill. This is at least your 5th handle. – Night Owl


          The commenter who goes by the screen name DrGonzo posted 7 times in the past month. I checked it yesterday and can provide details if requested.

          • GreenAlba October 7, 2020 at 5:47 pm #

            Actually, Q, it seems to me DrGonzo’s been commenting for years, since long before Cargill made an appearance. Just very sporadically.

          • Q. Shtik October 7, 2020 at 8:44 pm #

            it seems to me DrGonzo’s been commenting for years, – GA


            That’s what I think too.

      • ohyesiam October 6, 2020 at 4:11 am #

        He used to be “Mr I’m allergic to conspiracy theories.”

        Now he grabs at every one going like an eager puppy. How long before he comes out and wears a MAGA hat in public?

        • Night Owl October 6, 2020 at 8:07 am #

          Tell us more about Putin and the coming White Ethostate.

          Quiver, quiver goes the Jello.

  38. tom clark October 5, 2020 at 4:52 pm #

    From flyover country:

    The August derecho in the midwest (especially Iowa) will have a devastating effect on agricultural production for the next several years. It’s potential effects are largely underappreciated, unrecognized or ignored outside of flyover country. Interesting to see how this plays out politically. There are a few electoral votes out here, after all.


    • beantownbill. October 5, 2020 at 5:36 pm #

      tc, I’d start stocking up on food if I were you.

      • Kevvia Knack October 5, 2020 at 7:19 pm #

        I began stocking up on supplies and food this morning. Not crazily but just so I don’t run out of anything in November. I’m expecting mayhem and curfews again in Hollywood around election time. Maybe nothing will happen. A lady in front of me told the checker that stores are starting to sell out of items for some reason. I scared both the checker and customer when I commented that people are anticipating more riots and curfews. Both of them seemed blissfully unaware that anything might happen next month.

        • malthuss October 5, 2020 at 7:40 pm #

          I was in a Costco near you today, about 9am. hardly any shoppers at 9am.

          • beantownbill. October 5, 2020 at 7:58 pm #

            At my Whole Foods, if you go anytime after 2 or 3 pm, you’re liable to be unable to get many things. It seems they re-stock every am, and when an item runs out, they don’t replace it until the next day even if they have it in stock. This has been their policy since Bezos took over.

            I piss off some of the staff because we make our own pizza, and sometimes they run out of the dough we like. If that happens, we make them run into the back room and pull out what they really have left.

        • beantownbill. October 5, 2020 at 7:43 pm #

          ‘Blissfully unaware’ will turn to shocking fear relatively soon, I believe. Hope I’m wrong. I’ve noticed Whole Foods has dropped several items they regularly carry. Please continue to stock up as much as you can.

  39. tucsonspur October 5, 2020 at 5:42 pm #

    We all know that Trump’s policies have resulted in a large number of unnecessary illnesses and death. Here’s what else they will bring:

    1. A Harris-Biden presidency.

    2. A resurgence of PC, but in a more virulent form

    3. An increasingly firm grip on universities by the Left, and wokesters
    waking you the fuck up.

    4. A huge growth in critical race theory classes.

    5. A fizzle of a resistance by Republicans, who have just illustrated
    how weak and ineffective they are against aggressive Democrats.
    Currently, Barr will self quarantine, Durham will probably duck and

    6. All questionable monuments will be under review for demolition,
    including the Lincoln Memorial and the great Washington obelisk.

    7. The political power of the squad will grow and many more will
    join their ranks.

    8. The wonderful, capable, illegal immigrants will be given amnesty
    and be allowed to contribute their knowledge and vast array of
    skills to help our nation grow.

    9. You will be allowed to pay for the health care of illegals, and if
    you’re not happy with that, you can also pay for their education.

    10. BLM and Antifa entrenching themselves, growing and
    emboldening themselves in order to fight white hate and

    Now if you don’t like the above scenario, you had better beat the
    bushes to turn out every Republican to vote that you can.
    You’re gonna need millions of ’em. Now the TWATS probably
    outnumber the independents.

    • beantownbill. October 5, 2020 at 7:35 pm #

      Better yet, try to get anyone to vote for Trump.

      BTW, I drove by an adjoining neighborhood yesterday, and on someone’s front lawn was a sign that said “I’m a Republican voting for Biden”. Massachusetts is filled with non-thinking dipshits. Makes little difference as Biden will carry the state anyway.

      It’s very easy to get discouraged when you constantly walk through a miasma of stupidity. But I’m feeling ok. I just don’t like having to deal with it daily; but I suppose everyone has to. Just hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

      • tucsonspur October 5, 2020 at 8:11 pm #

        Just came back from a tour of the local neighborhood, supposed to be mostly Republican, with signs about even. One cat had a humongous, big ass Trump flag flying though.

        I may be putting up a big jolly roger with smoking .45s under the bones. Like they say, to each his own. Maybe run a Dixie flag also.

      • Sredni Vashtar October 7, 2020 at 12:49 pm #

        They’re probably lying about being Republicans. Leftists lie a lot.

    • Sredni Vashtar October 6, 2020 at 12:23 pm #

      Your CDS (Covid Derangement Syndrome) became TDS as well because of your envy of Trump’s level of medical care. Sad! Remember though, he wanted to make many of these medicines and procedures available to the general public but they wouldn’t let him.

  40. tucsonspur October 5, 2020 at 5:59 pm #

    It’s said that we could hit 350-375 thousand dead by January.
    With many states still out of control with increasing numbers, and depending on the effectiveness of the vaccine and the strength of a second wave, we will be getting closer and closer to the numbers reached during the Spanish flu, 600,000 plus.

    We may even pass that. After all, America is the greatest country in the world, isn’t it?

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    • benr October 5, 2020 at 6:30 pm #

      You conflate local and state control with Federal control.

      • tucsonspur October 5, 2020 at 8:34 pm #

        But I don’t listen to the man who tells me how white my shirts can be, and I don’t mind if he doesn’t smoke the same cigarettes as me.

        • elysianfield October 6, 2020 at 9:19 pm #

          Satisfaction…get it.

    • malthuss October 5, 2020 at 7:42 pm #

      No, dummy. Government insisted lockdown was necessary lest
      2 MILLION die in 2020. got it?

      • tucsonspur October 5, 2020 at 8:29 pm #

        You talkin’ to me? You talkin’ to me? If you are, I won’t smack you around. Verbally, that is. You’re too close to the edge.

  41. sophia October 5, 2020 at 6:28 pm #

    John AZ,

    Please have a look at this video and tell me your reaction.


  42. John1945 October 5, 2020 at 7:08 pm #


    Many of you are under the impression that trigger-happy PO-liiiiice shoots only struggling,oppressed,disadvantaged African-Americans residing in large cities.

    Lets for a change take a look at the quintessential Amish Country-Lancaster,PA.

    BLM riots in Lancaster


    If you look at the upper-right photo you’ll see happy 27-year old Amish boy returning home after participating in rewarding,soul-enriching agricultural pursuits.

    He is carrying a scythe-yes,a scythe ! – because Amish still care about the environment and till soil with mechanical implements.

    He is singing Psalms,he is thinking about good harvest this fall,he is prancing and dancing…

    Evil Cop takes aim… Holds his breath…Squeezes the trigger…Another innocent life is lost in the hail of bullets (in Stahlgewittern)

    And to add insult to injury Lancaster PD immediately fabricated his criminal record which is piece of cake since all records, true or fake, are computerized.


    • Jo-G October 5, 2020 at 8:56 pm #

      When I found myself living in a house with a large yard I tried keeping the grass and weeds down with a scythe. I highly recommend using one. After you learn to use it and care for it it works well. Quiet, so you can mow early Sunday morning and not bother the neighbors. No fumes. I let the grass get a bit long before cutting so the residue creates a better mulch. I got a starter kit at scythesupply.com but there are other places on the internet to order a good one. The scythes in my local hardware store weren’t good enough. It needs to fit your body to get the best angle of attack. It might be a useful skill when the cheap energy runs out.

      • Jo-G October 5, 2020 at 9:01 pm #

        I just checked scythesupply.com to see if they’re still in business and they had this on their home page:

        “We are incredibly backed up with orders and doing our best to ship yours as quickly as possible.”

        Odd. Why would such a niche market be incredibly backed up? I don’t know anyone else who uses one. My friends and neighbors think I’m such an oddball for not using a lawnmower.

        • John1945 October 5, 2020 at 11:28 pm #

          =I don’t know anyone else who uses one.=

          I do.But I dont want to say.

          =My friends and neighbors think I’m such an oddball=

          Scythe is probably worse than AR-15.

          AR-15 is 2nd Amendment,Charles Heston,Wayne La Pierre,all good patriotic stuff…

          Meanwhile scythe is just a Grim Reaper

          And sickle – the small brother of scythe – is even worse.Sickle cell anemia,red Commie flags with hammer & and sickle…

          • Sredni Vashtar October 6, 2020 at 3:10 am #

            Those aren’t American, at least not anymore. You need a grass whip or a sling blade.

          • GreenAlba October 6, 2020 at 7:43 am #

            Or a sheep, that you can rent out around the neighbourhood. Or lend gratis, depending on your normal MO and/or interest in building social capital. 🙂

            Eventually you can invite the neighbours round for a méchoui.



          • elysianfield October 6, 2020 at 9:23 pm #

            “Or a sheep, that you can rent out around the neighbourhood.”

            I do not want to get involved with the private lives of my neighbors…
            what goes on in the barn STAYS in the barn.

            Let them get their own goddamned sheep.

          • GreenAlba October 7, 2020 at 8:05 am #


            Watch out for the neighbours with the wide-legged wellies (variation of an old joke about Welsh farmers).

  43. Sredni Vashtar October 5, 2020 at 7:13 pm #

    Trump takes off mask and comes out onto White House Balcony in Defiance of all effiminate logic and commonsense. Total Fascism. We’re not in America anymore. The Republic is dead. The Empire rises.

    • malthuss October 5, 2020 at 7:43 pm #


  44. roccofire October 5, 2020 at 8:54 pm #

    I am watching the scariest show ever, and as a Halloween celebration supporter, it scared me more than any Vampire or Werewolf. Amazon has a show called Utopia, and one episode it shows how the P.T.B( powers that be) control us by messaging the web and news outlets. I suggest Watch it and then you will have bouts of Conspiracy theory blues.

    JHK!!! Awesome article, I showed a couple of my ed attending’s your opening paragraphs, pure Genius, everyone loved it.
    Get your flu shot, Virus are billions of years old and don’t care about your political beliefs.

  45. Htruth October 5, 2020 at 9:37 pm #


    Trump struggles to breathe: https://youtu.be/jPM6AntJaUA

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  46. BackRowHeckler October 5, 2020 at 9:47 pm #

    Celebrate Columbus Day with a plate of paella, cannoli for dessert, a glass of Sangria, got both Spain and Genoa covered there, get my wife to say a few words in Spanish, hoist a Spanish flag under Old Glory. Got a few lying around here from my in laws; let’s see: Monarchist, red and white Basque, Franco 1936, current National. I think I’ll fly the Franco flag, nobody here knows the difference anyway. Columbus Day 2020!


    • PeteAtomic October 5, 2020 at 11:48 pm #

      A fella up the street from me flew one of those Francoist Spaniard flags outside his house for many years. I never got around to ask him about it.

  47. Kim October 5, 2020 at 10:07 pm #

    Remember when Melania had to gave some kind of procedure and MSM were insinuating that Trump was bashing her?

    Most loathesome and despicable media ever.

    • HapMan October 6, 2020 at 12:07 am #

      Remember when Kim posted a complete non sequitur and no one knew what the hell he was talking about?

  48. PeteAtomic October 5, 2020 at 11:45 pm #

    Jimmy Dore has this funny segment where he responds to Biden spending his entire debate time repudiating the most popular progressive initiatives like the ‘Green New Deal’ and ‘universal health care’.. the funniest clip is when Dore plays the part where Wallace asks Biden about the GND & first Biden responds by saying that the “Green New Deal will pay for itself..” and then Wallace introjects by asking Biden if he is for the GND and Biden immediately responds that he isn’t for the Green New Deal (??!) ha ha.. like, WTF?

  49. BackRowHeckler October 6, 2020 at 1:53 am #

    John McAfee got arrested again, for tax evasion. He was hiding out in Spain, well, maybe not really hiding out. US Treasurey Dept. and Spanish National Police had no trouble locating him and bringing him in.

    He’s an interesting character, been following his ‘career’ for a long time.

    He probably got away with a murder he committed in Belize of a neighbor whom he suspected of killing his dog. Note: if you know someone who is reckless with guns (John McAfee, Phil Spector, that Olympic champ in SAfrica who shot his beautiful wife) steer clear.

    These tax evasion charges are no doubt with some basis, but I can’t help think the Feds are saying, yes, he got away with killing an American (a bar owner from Orlando), let’s get him on something.


    • elysianfield October 6, 2020 at 9:25 pm #


      Saw a documentary on McAfee…intimated that he is a brown boy….

  50. SoftStarLight October 6, 2020 at 2:34 am #

    It’s probably better to listen to nonsense than to listen to thoughtful and amicable words of confusion, capitulation, and cowardice. What do you think? Is it not frightening to witness so many literally begging to go into captivity and subjugation. And yet this is the alleged aristocracy? LOL. The vultures and hyenas are eager to devour what remains of the rotted carcass of your precious and high minded society. What little is holding them back the “super smart” ones of these are chipping away at and they feel so holy and sanctimonious doing so. Beyond our boundaries these high minded ones are not special. They are mere food for the bigger and better predators. Beautiful and ornate words and concepts or decisive action and strength? Who makes sense and who doesn’t?

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    • FreddieMars October 6, 2020 at 8:14 pm #

      “Who makes sense and who doesn’t?”

      I have to say, that, in this particular post, you don’t. It seems to be a complete non sequitur as well. Could you possibly give it some level of context?

  51. Night Owl October 6, 2020 at 2:58 am #

    Get your health passports, kids!


    Slow roll out. The Western version of the Chinese social credit score.

    Need your job? Need to travel? Too bad!

  52. Sredni Vashtar October 6, 2020 at 3:13 am #

    I just left Walter Reed Medical Center, and it’s really something very special – the doctors, the nurses, the first responders. And I learned so much about coronavirus. And one thing that’s for certain: don’t let it dominate you. Don’t be afraid of it. You’re gonna beat it. We have the best medical equipment, we have the best medicines, all developed recently. And you’re gonna beat it. I went, I didn’t feel so good. Two days ago – I could have left two days ago. Two days ago I felt great, like, better than I have in a long time. I said just recently: better than 20 years ago.

    Don’t let it dominate. Don’t let it take over your lives. Don’t let that happen. We have the greatest country in the world. We’re going back. We’re going back to work. We’re gonna be out front.

    As your leader, I had to do that. I knew there was danger to it, but I had to do it. I stood out front. I led. Nobody that’s a leader would not do what I did. And I know there’s a risk, there’s a danger, but that’s okay. And now I’m better, and maybe I’m immune, I don’t know. But don’t let it dominate your lives. Get out there, be careful.

    We have the best medicines in the world. And it all happened very shortly, and they’re all getting approved, and the vaccines are coming momentarily. Thank you very much and Walter Reed, what a group of people. Thank you very much.

    Donald Trump

    SV: He’s speaking to you, John Az. You have Covid Derrangement Syndrome but not Trump Derangement Syndrome. Some poor souls have both.

    • Kim October 6, 2020 at 3:38 am #

      Speaking of TDS, this unhinged fellow pulls a knife – unprovoked – on some “Women for Trump” people.


      He saw them, pulled over in his car, and out of nothing threatened them as you will see.

      The perp is a local Democrat PartyCommunications director.

      This is 8 or 9 out of 10 on the TDS scale. I believe tha he has been arrested and charged.

      One thing that is strange about the encounter is that he seemed to think that what he was doing is not illegal. You can’t brandish a knife while invading someone’s space. That’s a felony. So now he will probably lose his job. He is, of all things, a prison guard at a woman’s prison.

      This year, these last four years, have seen so much wierd, loopy behavior from Dems. I believe I have learnt a lot more about humans. And I don’t like it.

      • beantownbill. October 6, 2020 at 1:00 pm #

        Could you describe what a 10 out of 10 would be? I shudder to think.

    • sophia October 6, 2020 at 10:19 am #

      Where is John AZ?
      I reached out to him above. I want people to see that video.

      • JohnAZ October 6, 2020 at 12:08 pm #

        Hiya Sophia.

        Watched the video. Two comments

        Liberal paranoia. Social media has accentuated this more than any others thing in history. Remember PTA, in person problem solving, where people worked out problems without media shrieking. Also, parent teacher conferences with the same results. Today it is complain on Facebook, bitch at the school district, blame the teachers.and call the lawyers.

        Liberal manipulation. Example, 50000 kids in a school district, 10 have health problems with wearing masks. Raise hell about the five, make everyone else change to meet the fives problems. Liberal BS like we witness every day on the campaign trail. In this video, what does this woman want? No masks? Endanger everyone else because of a small minority? The level of endangerment is so small that no masks might be a solution as kids do not get the disease much. But the kids do not live at school, they go home they go outside to play, they infect other folks who are more endangered by the crud. So what does this woman want? What to do?

        I do not have a clue, neither does anyone else. Which, through the magic of social media, blows the whole situation sky high. Politics drops in, proclaims a “solution”. Society is stuck with the result.

        My answer? There is none.

        • sophia October 6, 2020 at 9:10 pm #

          Well, John, this is how tyranny will take over. The covid will give credibility to it for enough of the population that no matter how naked the tyranny, many people will go along and even applaud it. This is on social media you think? Social media is censoring people who do not go along with the covid narrative.

          You are kidding yourself that it is 5 out of 50kK kids and that they must have health problems to have an issue with having their breathing blocked by cloth all day. But it isn’t only kids. Lots of workers are getting headaches and sore throats and this fall and winter, illness will rise as it depresses the immune system and keeps germs in to fester. Wearing masks all day is a new thing, never done before for obvious reasons, and to experiment on children! Our era will be looked back on with great horror for that reason alone.

          And you write as if the masks make any damned difference. How can they? The only place I can see masks mattering is in the medium length encounters of a few minutes. Sitting in a class all day will not stop the virus. And by the way, kids who do not get symptoms do not spread the virus. So in other words, the kids are being tortured for nothing.

          What to do? Stop the fearmongering agenda which is largely without basis and has no scientific foundations, start listening to the hundreds of doctors in every country who are trying to band together to be heard and stop sacrificing the young.

    • HapMan October 6, 2020 at 11:39 am #


      Trump was pumped full of medications and steroids and continuously under the best health care in the world, literally, when he made that statement. His workplace (the West Wing) had become a petri dish in part due to his recklessness.

      COVID-19 is a highly communicable disease that can make one severely ill, can result in hospitalization, can leave long-lasting and serious health effects, and can be fatal.

      I live in an area with relatively high mask-wearing rates. I go to the supermarket and drugstores, I periodically eat at restaurants and drink coffee at coffee shops (outdoors), and I even go to my office (albeit with reduced onsite staffing). I am able to do these things because, and only because, of the relatively low infection rate and high safety compliance in my area.

      I also wear a mask, distance, and avoid indoors as much as possible, in accordance with health guidelines. So far, knock on wood, I (and my family and coworkers) have avoided getting this thing.

      What is your beef with all of this? What am I missing?

      • Sredni Vashtar October 6, 2020 at 12:18 pm #

        You wear a mask outside in other word – even though no one ever told you people to do that. Virtue signaling. You’re letting your fellow slaves know that you’re one of the good ones too. Not one of those deplorables who deserve Ayers’ gulags (already built).

        The Elite like this kind of eagerness, this bringing the leash to them in your mouth. You will get points for this in the Chinese type point system soon to be set up. What’s not to love indeed? Go Half Man!

        • HapMan October 6, 2020 at 2:03 pm #

          SV, sadly, you live online, in your own head and within your crackpot alt-right media ecosystem.

          I like to go for long hikes on weekends, among other things, and I want to keep doing that as long as possible.

          I also have a family to feed and a business to help manage.

          I don’t give a shit about virtue signaling or what your putative “Elite” is imagined to think.

          Unlike the clown in the Oval and his subordinates, I am disease free. So far so good.

          • Sredni Vashtar October 6, 2020 at 4:53 pm #

            You go for long hikes while wearing your mask? You cannot hide from your moral nakedness with that mask.

          • HapMan October 6, 2020 at 5:12 pm #


            But you knew that.

            I guess we should take your cheap deliberate misreadings and avoidance of good faith argument as a sign of your moral nakedness.

          • Sredni Vashtar October 6, 2020 at 11:45 pm #

            No I didn’t. There’s a lurker named Trent who posted that he runs hill in his N95 mask. He was angry because I said that mask wearing could be hazardous.

          • benr October 7, 2020 at 10:49 am #

            Disease free?
            Your posts would say otherwise.
            There are many forms of disease including of the mind.
            Yours seems infected with a form of phobic Trump disorders.
            Seek help.

          • HapMan October 7, 2020 at 6:10 pm #

            SV, if you equate with slavery the wearing of a surgical mask over your nose and mouth to prevent spread of COVID to other people until a vaccine becomes generally available, then you need to recognize that as an equation that exists only in your own mind.

            If some people overdo it, like your friend Trent, who cares? Aren’t there other things to worry about?

            Grow up, man.

          • FreddieMars October 7, 2020 at 7:26 pm #


            I read yesterday a quote from a doctor:

            “If you don’t like wearing a mask, you’re really gonna HATE the ventilator”.

      • sophia October 6, 2020 at 9:14 pm #

        If you think about it, in the dystopian novels and movies, the majority of people are perfectly happy living under tyranny. Of course all people require a narrative and the tyranny provides one, and then the contented slaves can’t understand why anyone is bothered by how things are.
        But some of us chafe under lies and oppression.
        We fight, and we fight for you.

    • JohnAZ October 6, 2020 at 11:41 am #

      I am here.

      Get out there, be careful. You quoted it. That is been my statement all along.

      Distance yourself, mask if you can’t and go about your life.

      That is what Trump has said. Prevention!

      There are 200000+ dead folks that would repudiate Let’er rip.

      If Trump pushes Let ‘er rip now, he will be ex president.

      • Sredni Vashtar October 6, 2020 at 12:19 pm #

        About 9000 or less dead actually, but who’s counting, right?

        • JohnAZ October 6, 2020 at 12:31 pm #

          SV. You old cherry picker you.

          • JohnAZ October 6, 2020 at 12:51 pm #

            Why can’t you sign up to the statement that if mitigation lowers the risk level, use it to open the economy back up. This disease is now with us, if we do not adjust our behavior it will take a chunk out of our population every time it raises up. The surge patterns of 2020 PROVE this, stop mitigating, hang out go to the beach, do spring break, populate the bars, ie open up and your area turns into a hot spot.

            BTW, a big story regarding Covid this AM. CDC has finally stated that it is airborne capable. Anyone working with isolation patients in a hospital knows what that means, negative air flow with hepa filtration, full garb, and N95 masking. The impact of the CDC statement is enormous. Every HVAC system in the US is suspect.

            Airborne transmission may explain the leveling off of all the states new case rates. Originally, Fauci and the boys stated that after the surges the herd immunity would drive the rates to zero. That has not happened. Arizona is leveled out at 500 a day. California at 2800. Where is the reservoir that keeps infecting folks. It is either asymptomatic or pre symptomatic folks spreading the wealth around, people getting re-infected or viral sources in places waiting for people to walk in. Or all the above. The shame of the CDC and the WHO is that they really do not know.

            What happens? The politicians step in and screw everything up. Like right now.

            Mitigation as a tool to open up the country, where is that solution? Until the vaccine shows up or a cure is in place. Our political environment is preventing both from happening.

          • GreenAlba October 6, 2020 at 1:16 pm #


            Digressing a bit, but I know you’re interested in the development of broad-spectrum anti-virals.

            This New Yorker article is very informative regarding the work that’s been done over the years (and decades) and what the problems are, especially with the various types of coronavirus.


            Interesting bit near the end about some research to try to work on the mechanisms of the host cells rather than the virus itself, because of the ‘narrow-bore’ effect of anti-virals so far.

          • JohnAZ October 6, 2020 at 1:25 pm #


            Never mind. Anyone who thinks he is a slave because the CDC asks him to wear a protective device to protect himself and others is a little paranoid. If your “way” was in place, health care workers with just peel off their PPE and just get sick, right? After all it is just a minor inconvenience.


          • Sredni Vashtar October 6, 2020 at 4:56 pm #

            No, even they haven’t demanded people wear masks outside. The slaves volunteered to do that of their own accord.

            Caesar worship was not imposed from above – it grew from below.

          • sophia October 6, 2020 at 9:20 pm #


            First of all, there are cures now.
            Second of all, we have done much mitigation which has caused enormous suffering, and yet they do not open up and do not appear to intend to.
            Third, this is a corona virus. Do you honestly think the CDC doesn’t know how it spreads?
            Why is it that what was obvious 6 months ago to me never becomes obvious to you?


          • JohnAZ October 6, 2020 at 10:08 pm #


            Your ignorance is showing a little also.

            If there were cures available to the public as a whole, this political fiasco would be over. There are no cures for any viruses, HIV, SARS, rhinoviruses, coronaviruses. Cure means, apply and problem is gone. None exist.

            I agree with the mitigation complaint. Social distancing is paramount, masks only when it is not possible.. Question for you, is it okay to open up movie theaters or indoor arenas when the possibility of Covid possible folks can enter the indoor venues. Masks are for droplet isolation only, nothing more. The history of this virus though shows that when masks are omitted, hot spots occur. Studies do show that heavier infective doses create more serious disease, so blocking relatively big droplets full of the crud might be a good idea, whether distancing or masks.

            Your comment on the CDC cracked me up. The CDC did not admit until TODAY that the virus could be carried airborne. Three components now, contact, droplets and airborne. Fixing the droplet source is easy compared to the airborne component. The WHO and the CDC are so riven with politics that you cannot believe anything they say, up to now maybe. Remember the WHO originally told us the crud was not transmitted human to human.

            So right now, clean surfaces regularly, mitigate against droplets and stay away from enclosed poorly ventilated indoor spaces.

            The vaccine is coming, the vaccine is coming! Yeah, right. 49% of the folks will not take the vaccine, there goes herd immunity. It is probably seasonal, so now we get flu and corona shots. Certain folks may not build anti-bodies ever. I, for one, had to get the Hep B vaccine for nursing school entry. Tried twice, never built antibodies. One of about 10%, all males, that did not convert. The vaccine, like the flu shot, is not a cure-all.

            Who is being fooled here? You have a mirror handy?

          • GreenAlba October 7, 2020 at 6:59 am #


            “Third, this is a corona virus. Do you honestly think the CDC doesn’t know how it spreads?
            Why is it that what was obvious 6 months ago to me never becomes obvious to you?”

            Quick answer to your second question? Dunning Kruger.

            Along with JohnAZ, I have to say your ignorance is unbelievable. As if all coronaviruses spread in the same way and the CDC should know in advance how each one spreads as soon as it starts spreading. Most coronaviruses haven’t transmitted at all to humans (in some cases, ‘yet’).

            Some which transmit to humans still won’t spread from human to human (similar to the BSE prion).

            Some which spread between humans will only transmit from symptomatic individuals – like SARS-Cov-1 (which is what made it easy to contain, although it was deadlier).

            Others will transmit from asymptomatic (including presymptomatic) individuals – like SARS-Cov-2.

            And you won’t generally know which is going to behave in which way until after a period of observation and deduction.

            I wish people who don’t understand things but think they do would be a little less strident.

            But I guess that’s Dunning-Kruger for you.

            Imagine anyone who thinks there are ‘cures’ for Covid and who clearly has no idea what that means lecturing other people on having been FOOLED.

            The way you harry JohnAZ is appalling. He knows a hundred times more than you do. You even accused him of being a paid troll because you don’t get that he knows more than you do. As you did to me.

            Perhaps you really should look in that mirror.

          • Night Owl October 7, 2020 at 9:31 am #

            JohnAZ and the Coroneau. A comedy in two acts.


            “Mitigation as a tool to open up the country, where is that solution? Until the vaccine shows up or a cure is in place. Our political environment is preventing both from happening.”


            “Sophia, Your ignorance is showing a little also.

            If there were cures available to the public as a whole, this political fiasco would be over. There are no cures for any viruses, HIV, SARS, rhinoviruses, coronaviruses. Cure means, apply and problem is gone. None exist.”


  53. Kim October 6, 2020 at 3:49 am #

    MacAfee has loads of money and likes prostitutes. But why must he like such ugly prostitutes? And why live in such unattractive third world shitholes surrounded by lowlifes?

    Libertarianians – even as silly as they are – should sue him for the damage he has done their reputations.

    There is a documwntary about him that is okay and covers some of that territory you mention. He certainly is a dangerous idiot.


    • BackRowHeckler October 6, 2020 at 9:50 am #

      You got McFee pretty much pegged, Kim.

      He is what we used to call a Rogue, dangerous, maniacal, interesting and mysterious all at the same time.

      And he kind of gives off that ‘Mosquito Coast’ vibe.


  54. Kim October 6, 2020 at 4:38 am #

    Allow me to refesh your memory. The claim was made in 2018 in Rolling Stone magazine, the reading choice of halfwits.


    Rolling Stone writer speculates Melania Trump is ‘concealing abuse,’ implicates president in domestic violence

    Are you (a) a journalist with (b) a wild theory about Melania Trump’s public absence that (c) is not substantiated by any hard evidence? No worries, all it takes to float your conjecture into the broader conversation is one simple tweet.

    Jamil Smith, senior writer at Rolling Stone, used Twitter on Sunday to express his suspicion that the first lady’s public absence “could be about concealing abuse” perpetrated by her husband.

    “I wish that I didn’t suspect that the prolonged, poorly explained public absence of Melania Trump could be about concealing abuse. I wish that it was a ludicrous prospect. I wish that the @POTUS wasn’t a man with a history of abusing women, including those to whom he is married,” Smith tweeted.

    Now perhaps you can join me in observing that the MSM are demented scum.

    • Kim October 6, 2020 at 6:25 am #

      The preceding comment was in answer to HaplessMan.

      • HapMan October 6, 2020 at 11:05 am #

        Random, obscure Twitter post from two years ago.

        Well done. We’ve all forgotten how Trump has been shitting the bed for the past couple of weeks.

        • benr October 6, 2020 at 11:31 am #

          Fragility and projection on display.
          Tell me when you crap the bed do you at least wash the sheets?
          Do you wear depends?
          Lessons learned stop eating the chips with olestra in them and you won’t have that problem my God at least read the inserts as to what it might cause.

          • HapMan October 6, 2020 at 12:27 pm #

            OK, benr, nice work with that post there.

            Kim, provide the link showing when this appeared in Rolling Stone, as you claim it did. Because the WashEx article you cite refers to a Twitter post. Or, are you having trouble keeping your facts straight again?

            Or maybe just call it a day. I think you’ve met your quota.

          • benr October 6, 2020 at 4:16 pm #

            Twas wasn’t it.
            Thanks for the notice.

        • Kim October 6, 2020 at 8:10 pm #

          @ HapMan

          That’s right, it was Twitter post, by a Senior Editor from the Rolling Stone, whose purpose was to get said slander into the more traditional organs of the MSM.

          Which he succeeded in, as the slander was repeated in one form or another in other media.

          It is a process similar to how RussiaGate was first fed to the media by FBI agents and then the FBI – seeing these stunning reports in the media – had to “investigate”.

          It is also just like Nancy Pelosi’s boasted “wrap-up smear”.

          Remember that one?

          Democrats apparently have a smear machine. It is called the MSM.

          • FreddieMars October 6, 2020 at 8:23 pm #

            It’s a very effective technique and widely used (and not just by those you deride, Kim).

            In fact, see? It’s still working. You’ve resurrected it two years later.

            I know your point was your usual predictable point, but at the same time, have you not served its original purpose again?

          • HapMan October 6, 2020 at 9:01 pm #

            Fascinating, Kim. I hear that troll farm employees use similar techniques. Why don’t you tell us about that too?

          • Q. Shtik October 6, 2020 at 9:15 pm #

            by a Senior Editor from the Rolling Stone – Kim


            If you’re speaking of the magazine it’s just Rolling Stone, no the. Just like Ukraine, no the.

            It’s the pop group who is/are the Rolling Stones.

  55. dowd October 6, 2020 at 6:08 am #

    The Democrat Resistance cannot bring down Trump because he has God on his side.

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    • ohyesiam October 6, 2020 at 12:10 pm #

      But which God?

      I think you will find it is Mammon.

      • Kim October 6, 2020 at 8:02 pm #

        @ ohyesiam

        “But which God?”

        Mammon is not a god.

        • ohyesiam October 7, 2020 at 11:39 am #

          Yet he has so many worshippers and so many temples.

  56. stelmosfire October 6, 2020 at 9:09 am #

    It would be something if the WHO could get their shit together. By their numbers so far confirmed 35.5 million infected with 1 million deaths. Now they say estimated 760 million infected with the same 1 million deaths. That is a 20x reduction in the death rate. They are so full of shit.

    • ohyesiam October 6, 2020 at 12:08 pm #

      What is it about the words “confirmed” and “estimated” that you find so difficult to understand?

      • stelmosfire October 6, 2020 at 12:25 pm #

        WHO words not mine. Read much?

        • ohyesiam October 6, 2020 at 3:57 pm #

          Yes, they are the words quoted in the article. But you don’t seem to understand them.

          ‘Confirmed cases’ means people who have tested positive for coronavirus.

          ‘Estimated cases’ refers to the total number of infected people, tested or not.

          Having this estimated figure does not change the death rate. It just gives us an estimate of the absolute death rate, as well as the death rate relative to known cases.

          The relative death rate depends completely on how much testing is done. The absolute death rate, in theory, should be much more consistent.

          If you need me to explain the difference between ‘relative’ and ‘absolute’, please let me know.

          • Kim October 6, 2020 at 8:41 pm #

            The relative death rate depends completely on how much testing is done. The absolute death rate, in theory, should be much more consistent.

            It would make more sense if the death rates depended on how many people actually died from it.

  57. ohyesiam October 6, 2020 at 12:21 pm #

    Biden leads by between 10% and 16% in latest polls:


    • stelmosfire October 6, 2020 at 12:29 pm #

      What’s you point? Hillary was a shoe-in also. OOPS?

      • Night Owl October 6, 2020 at 2:48 pm #

        Give her a break. She thought the deadly Coroneau would get Trump.

        But he got over the sniffles in just three days.

      • ohyesiam October 6, 2020 at 4:10 pm #

        Her average lead was a lot less – only about 4% – than Biden’s lead over trump.

        Biden must be the weakest Democratic candidate in years. But the rat-faced goon still can’t dent his lead.

        The US doesn’t have enough losers to get him re-elected. 🙂

        • Night Owl October 6, 2020 at 5:53 pm #


        • JohnAZ October 6, 2020 at 8:54 pm #

          No, the US no longer has enough non-gimmes to elect a conservative President. We need to change the national emblem to a Turkey with its hand out.

  58. benr October 6, 2020 at 4:14 pm #

    On a lighter note.


    Found this to be rather fascinating.
    When it is all said and done we gotta eat.

  59. Night Owl October 6, 2020 at 6:00 pm #

    Ratcliffe declasses files showing that Obama was briefed on Clinton’s Russia Collusion plot.

  60. tucsonspur October 6, 2020 at 6:03 pm #

    Your CDS (Covid Derangement Syndrome) became TDS as well because of your envy of Trump’s level of medical care. Sad! SV

    Observation, not envy, and at least it’s not penis envy.

    You must be proud to be a suicide boy. Proud suicide boy, Trump’s little boy toy. We will not join your cult of death. We love life!

    Trump is making you swallow Biden Harris and you don’t even know it yet. You’ll be stuffed with them after the election, unable to void them, your own TDS having you chronically constipated. More than sad!

    The obtuse, obnoxious, orgulous, orange oaf struggles to pull off his mask with a grimace, while killing and infecting people all around him. This poseur stands there like a pillar of poison piffle, injecting his poison into the populace. Sad!

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    • Night Owl October 6, 2020 at 6:11 pm #

      3 days.

      You are a wreck.


      • FreddieMars October 6, 2020 at 6:54 pm #

        ‘3 days’.

        Are you saying that’s Mr Trump is OVER his infection? That would be unusual, even with the best medical treatment available.

        • Kim October 6, 2020 at 8:39 pm #

          @ FreddiMars

          That would be unusual, even with the best medical treatment available.

          In three days, Christ rose from the dead. That was considered unusual, too.

          • FreddieMars October 7, 2020 at 3:14 am #

            So, Mr Trump is Christ, now?
            That’s kind of cultist if you, wouldn’t you say?

          • GreenAlba October 7, 2020 at 7:16 am #

            Pay no attention, FreddieM. Kim is not religious, by his own testimony. So he doesn’t believe Christ rose from the dead anyway. But he will use any argument, even if it contradicts a previous one he’s used, to advance his agenda or discredit/smear a commenter.

            This example is very far from the worst and most egregious dishonesty of which he is capable.

          • SoftStarLight October 7, 2020 at 10:32 am #

            Ah ok, good to confirm the all seeing five eyes is tracking and tracing 🙂

          • GreenAlba October 7, 2020 at 11:10 am #

            Two eyes and/or two ears and a brain are all it takes to spot the egregiously dishonest. They forget the lies they’ve already told and end up in a tangled web.

            But some of them don’t care. Their MO is attrition. And it works in a grosso modo kinda way, as they know it will.

        • Night Owl October 7, 2020 at 2:28 am #

          What infection did he have? Do explain in detail, Dr.

          • FreddieMars October 7, 2020 at 3:17 am #

            What infection did WHO have? Christ or President Trump?

            Who knows what pathogens Christ was carrying when he suffocated, but Mr Trump has,apparently, Covid. Are facts like that now in dispute?

          • Night Owl October 7, 2020 at 3:19 am #

            What infection did he have? Post your concrete evidence.

            The floor is yours, Dr.

          • FreddieMars October 7, 2020 at 3:53 am #

            What’s your point?

          • Night Owl October 7, 2020 at 5:04 am #

            Another day, another streamrolling.

          • FreddieMars October 7, 2020 at 1:18 pm #

            I don’t get you.

            I’ve watched you do this small-minded troll act with others on this board. I guess it gives you some sort of weird pleasure. Whatever gets you off, but it’s sad to watch.

          • Night Owl October 7, 2020 at 2:24 pm #

            I get you. New handle, same old non-arguments.

            Quiver, quiver.

          • FreddieMars October 7, 2020 at 7:32 pm #

            Like I said, sad to watch.

          • HapMan October 7, 2020 at 7:48 pm #

            It’s pretty obvious that it’s his (or her) job, Freddie.

          • FreddieMars October 7, 2020 at 8:32 pm #

            Perhaps so, HapMan…and do you have any clue what’s with the ‘quivering’? He was saying the same to ohyesiam previously.

          • HapMan October 7, 2020 at 9:54 pm #

            I’m sure it means something in the original Russian.

      • tucsonspur October 6, 2020 at 7:54 pm #

        And you are a lightweight chirper, a grousing gnat with no gusto.

        • FreddieMars October 6, 2020 at 8:17 pm #

          Yet more awesome alliteration…

          • Kim October 6, 2020 at 10:12 pm #


            You know, if you don’t know the meaning of a word, you can look it up.

          • Q. Shtik October 6, 2020 at 11:23 pm #

            Yet more awesome alliteration… Freddie


            The other day I was listening to a sports talking head as he heaped praise on some football player. He said his performance was oss-um. I cannot explain why such a mispronunciation bothers the shit out of me but it really does.

            Now I will have to listen to somebody like Kim tell me it’s NOT a mispronunciation it’s just a regional difference. Well, I say fuck these other regions… let them learn how to pronounce the letter w!!!

          • FreddieMars October 7, 2020 at 3:21 am #


            Please, instruct me in my erroneous use of the word.

          • GreenAlba October 7, 2020 at 7:26 am #

            “Well, I say fuck these other regions… let them learn how to pronounce the letter w!!!”

            Wait till you discover the ‘intrusive R’ beloved of so many of the English, Q.

            They can say ‘rowing’ or ‘mowing’ or ‘sewing’, but for ‘drawing’ they say ‘draw-r-ing’. And for ‘law and order’ they say ‘Laura Norder’.


          • Kim October 7, 2020 at 8:45 am #

            @ FreddieMars

            Definition of alliteration: the repetition of usually initial consonant sounds in two or more neighboring words or syllables

            So please show me where alliteration is used in this sentence:

            And you are a lightweight chirper, a grousing gnat with no gusto.

            That’s right, there is none.

            Are you really this stupid?

          • FreddieMars October 7, 2020 at 1:22 pm #

            What level of personal insecurity must one be suffering to feel a need to call someone ‘stupid’. I asked for your instruction, and I got it. I guess I don’t need to thank you.

        • Night Owl October 7, 2020 at 2:03 am #

          3 days, TDS boy.

  61. FreddieMars October 6, 2020 at 6:52 pm #

    This Administration continuously looks utterly surprised at the way this disease is spreading.

    Here’s a useful look-back at pandemic planning over the last 20 years and an examination of what has happened since Jan 20th 2017:


    • SoftStarLight October 6, 2020 at 10:05 pm #

      I seem to recall quite a bit of confusion regarding “this disease” throughout all levels of society and across different countries. Do you recall when Nancy Pelosi encouraged large public gatherings in San Francisco’s Chinatown back in February, long after covid was in the wild? Remember when the preeminent Dr. Fauci advised against wearing masks? And then there is Sweden! Oh well. Such a myopic focus on one administration seems obsessive and agenda driven (?) given the potential fodder. Makes sense?

      Oh btw, NowThis News is a progressive social media focused news organization founded in 2012 according to wikipedia. Apparently founded by Huffington Post co-founder and former chairman Kenneth Lerer and former Huffington Post CEO Eric Hippeau.

      Probably no agenda and just super objective huh

      • Kim October 6, 2020 at 10:24 pm #


        Ah, yes, Trump’s anti-Chinese racism and Nancy’s prancing around some Chinatown complaining about it.


        Don’t you know you’re not supposed to remember these things?

        You be thinking about the latest wrap-up smear.

        • SoftStarLight October 7, 2020 at 1:13 am #

          Well some things are difficult to forget. Hey this might make you laugh. 🙂


          • Kim October 7, 2020 at 1:58 am #

            @ SSL

            It is incredible. But at least for me it settles the question of whether these people are lying or deluded.

            100% they are just shameless liars on the make. End of story. I never need to debate myself on this issue again. These people will say anything or do anything for a buck and tomorrow will say or do the opposite for another buck. In fact, I am sure they prefer to make their money dishonestly.

          • Night Owl October 7, 2020 at 2:56 am #

            “Get a Grippe, America”

            Ah, the good old days when the NYT almost seemed to know it was a hoax.

          • GreenAlba October 7, 2020 at 7:47 am #

            “100% they are just shameless liars on the make. End of story. I never need to debate myself on this issue again. These people will say anything or do anything for a buck and tomorrow will say or do the opposite for another buck. ”

            Says the atheist who just claimed Christ rose again in three days for the sake of an argument.

            Says the holocaust denier who tried to smear another commenter with groundless accusations of ‘genocide and eugenics’, appealing to a Jewish person on the grounds of the specific and horrendous history of ‘his people’ after saying the holocaust was made up.

            Do you think no-one is watching you or something?

            You sound more ‘paid’ with every passing day.

          • Sredni Vashtar October 7, 2020 at 2:11 pm #

            Lol, Albee. He’s just doing what you folks do to us all the time a la Christianity: Beat us over the head with one liners like, “Turn the other cheek”. Or kindness to “the stranger”. All the billions of would be refugees and immigrants are “THE” stranger, right?

          • GreenAlba October 7, 2020 at 3:14 pm #

            No, Sredneee, that’s not what he’s doing at all.

            But regarding your point about Christianity v. tribal survival, well, that’s just it, I suppose – there’s a dilemma there. Is your aim to get to heaven or to establish a white heaven on earth? Laying up your ideological treasures, so to speak.

            Christianity and the interests of any particular tribe aren’t the same thing. You might want both of them, but I don’t think you can meld them into one entity, because sometimes they’re going to conflict. Which is where cherry picking comes in, for pretty much everyone.

            Jesus made it a bit confusing because he thought the world was going to end in a couple of decades. so just getting to heaven was enough to be going on with.

      • JohnAZ October 6, 2020 at 11:04 pm #


        It is what happens when politics overwhelms rationality.

        Get used to this, it is what the Democratic world of Biden/Harris is going to be like.

  62. Q. Shtik October 6, 2020 at 10:35 pm #

    Today I stumbled on a pro-Biden ad done by Michelle Obama. I couldn’t help but notice that she has teeth reminiscent of the Ferengi.

    • tucsonspur October 6, 2020 at 10:51 pm #

      I saw her today also. She was a hard, nasty lookin’ woman, like the kind that often carries a straight razor or maybe a revolver. Hate to meet her in a well lit alley.

    • JohnAZ October 6, 2020 at 11:06 pm #

      Like the Ferengi, huh. Hahahahaha!

      Look at the efficacy of have pointed teeth, she can lie through her teeth like the rest of the Left does.

  63. Kim October 6, 2020 at 10:41 pm #

    Trump tweets “Repeal 230” and the leftists are losing their minds, running disinformation stories about 230, claiming it protects free speech, that without it, there would be no internet, and similar lies.

    Section 230 allows media outlets/companies like Facebook and Twitter which regularly select and curate their content and therefore act as publishers – to evade their legal responsibilities under the defamation and other laws by falsely claiming to be merely public bulletin boards without any control over or responsibility for their content.

    But Big Tech controls the content. That makes them publishers. As such they must be subject to the same laws as other publishing media outlets.

    Repeal 230.

    • tucsonspur October 6, 2020 at 11:14 pm #

      Well, generally speaking, there’s not really too much that’s decent about today’s communications anyway, is there?

      The Democrats must have changed their minds. Earlier in the year, both Biden and Sanders spoke out about either abolishing 230 or at least changing it. You know, concerns about so called hate speech and terrorism, probably mostly of the white variety.

  64. Q. Shtik October 6, 2020 at 10:54 pm #

    When I went out this afternoon to take my wife for a doctor follow up visit the DOW was up about 200 points. When I returned home the DOW was down 400. Eventually the explanation for the sudden dive was revealed as indicated below:


    I, also, scratched my head… why would he do this when just a few days ago he was pushing for an agreement on a big new stimulus package?

    I concluded that in his inscrutable mind there is actually no genius master plan other than he wishes to remain totally UNPREDICTABLE and let the chips fall where they may. He’ll worry about ‘the chips’ at some later date.

  65. Sredni Vashtar October 6, 2020 at 11:37 pm #

    Trump tweet blocked by Twitter:

    Flu season is coming up! Many people every year, sometimes over 100,000, and despite the Vaccine, die from the Flu. Are we going to close down our Country? No, we have learned to live with it, just like we are learning to live with Covid, in most populations far less lethal!!!
    5:03 AM · Oct 6, 2020

    SV: Stop letting the street vendors control the street. The tech companies must be treated as utitilites, and subjected to the needs of the public good – in this case, providing the means of open communication.

    Do power and gas companies get to deny you heat or electricity because they don’t like your politics? Not yet anyway but it’s probably coming. Hold back the Day! Start by restructuring the Big Tech behind internet communications.

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    • SoftStarLight October 7, 2020 at 12:45 am #

      Hmmm. Actually you know with this whole rona thing Dem mayors and govs have actually ordered utilities to be cut off at shutdown violating homes and businesses already. It could be said that its pseudo medical politics. If Tom Fitton was the AG I bet that would have been intervened in and stopped.

    • GreenAlba October 7, 2020 at 7:52 am #

      “Many people every year, sometimes over 100,000, and despite the Vaccine, die from the Flu. ”

      Sorry, but you’ll have to divide that by 10, since we have new ways of counting things now. We could call it Newcount. Ninety percent of the people who ‘die of flu’ are over 65.

      So you have to use inverted commas, according to Newcount, because they didn’t die of flu. They died of being over 65.

      • GreenAlba October 7, 2020 at 7:55 am #

        None of which means I think the prospects of young people and families should be thoughtlessly sacrificed for people who die of being over 65.

        I just like words to mean what they’re meant to mean, and I like consistency where it matters, so that we have a shared understanding of what is true and what isn’t.

      • GreenAlba October 7, 2020 at 8:52 am #

        And, for information, the CDC figures are 12,000 to 61,000 ‘flu deaths’ annually since 2010.

        But that’s in Oldcount. In Newcount that would be 1200 to 6,100 flu deaths, MINUS other ‘flu deaths’ in infants and otherwise vulnerable demographics. Perhaps we could get it down to under 1000 to under 5000?


        • GreenAlba October 7, 2020 at 8:57 am #

          And for all we know it could be zero. Nobody died of flu – they all died ‘with flu’ and ‘of’ being human. Yay!

          Just had Goebbels on the phone from the other side. He said to tell you he likes this Newcount stuff.

          • SoftStarLight October 7, 2020 at 10:36 am #

            Are you sure you got your point across or maybe do you need to elaborate further LOL

          • GreenAlba October 7, 2020 at 10:55 am #

            Only you can answer that. Have you got the point or will you keep counting Covid deaths differently from flu deaths?

            If the answer is no, then I’ve got my point across. Not that it’s even a point that should require a secondary education, really. In an educated society a 10-year-old would get it.

            But I’m willing to bet the trolling about the ‘new’ (Newcount) figures from the WHO will continue to be peddled alongside the Oldcount figures for flu. What do you think?

          • SoftStarLight October 7, 2020 at 11:26 am #

            Actually it the supposed experts who are doing the counting. And unfortunately, if the response to covid had not been so politically motivated from the outset perhaps you would have more trust from the general population. However, the entire episode has been a political affair, not to speak of the exercise in bureaucratic double speak and intrigue. We know for certain that deaths unrelated to covid were counted as covid fatalities if covid was present. No matter if the person died in a car accident for instance. Politicians have proven that most mitigation efforts are simply theater. Most importantly, bureaucrats around the world have taken this opportunity to commune with their inner totalitarians. So no, I think if anything the established “experts” have lost further credibility.

          • GreenAlba October 7, 2020 at 12:07 pm #

            “Actually it the supposed experts who are doing the counting. ”

            I’m talking about on this board, where people bandy about figures for Covid that MUST NOT include old people, and those with comorbidities, and compare them directly with flu figures which include everyone.

            You are being disingenuous. And giving me a Gish Gallop response to sidestep the fact that my point is valid.

            The flu/covid death stats dichotomy took me two seconds to see through, so I don’t get why it’s not totally obvious, except that levels of innumeracy (and bloviating) are unfortunately high.

          • FreddieMars October 7, 2020 at 7:39 pm #

            Among the rest of the weirdly conspiratorial verbiage in there, you have said, I believe correctly that:

            We know for certain that deaths unrelated to covid were counted as covid fatalities if covid was present. No matter if the person died in a car accident for instance.

            Is that not a function of the utter DYSfunctionality of the American Health Care system where a hospital is funded more generously for a covid case than for a car crash fatality?

            But even then, does it not require dishonesty on the part of someone in a chain of command and complicity below that someone? The corruption must run deep.

    • Night Owl October 7, 2020 at 9:19 am #

      All they have left is censorship.


    • beantownbill. October 7, 2020 at 11:27 am #

      I’ve been thinking the same thing. Electric and water companies are utilities because everyone needs and uses them (except for the relatively small numbers of off-grid users). In 2020, everybody who can uses the internet and social media. Our whole society is based on these types of everyday usages. They ought to be legal utilities, whatever that means exactly. Utilities conduct their activities under governmental limits because their services have become essential for public welfare, and not to make money for their owners, although they can, I believe, make a profit (not sure).

      If they were utilities, Facebook, Twitter, U-Tube, Instagram and others would no longer be able to block content because their owners don’t like the postings. I hate governmental control in general, but given capitalists (and Marxists) predilection for raping the public, an exception could be made in this case.

  66. Sredni Vashtar October 6, 2020 at 11:42 pm #


    Earlier today the NYT published an editorial calling for UN intervention in America. Is this the counter punch?

    • SoftStarLight October 7, 2020 at 12:37 am #

      This makes me happy! You already know how I feel. Counter punch? Um it’s time for the moabs pretty please :-).

      • Sredni Vashtar October 7, 2020 at 1:03 pm #

        What are moabs?

        • Q. Shtik October 7, 2020 at 1:47 pm #

          The mother of all bombs.

          • Sredni Vashtar October 7, 2020 at 2:14 pm #

            Oh like that famous Crumb cartoon where the last Aryan is about to push the button. His woman cries, Not that, Not that. Surely not that! The Man replies, Yes, that – and pushes.

          • SoftStarLight October 8, 2020 at 2:35 am #

            Yep! Like I’m ok now if you think it’s best to press the button. The cabal and the evildoers and demons are really getting on my nerves lol.

          • Sredni Vashtar October 8, 2020 at 1:12 pm #

            Thank you. Here goes nuthin….

          • SoftStarLight October 8, 2020 at 3:27 pm #

            Yay 🙂

    • Kim October 7, 2020 at 1:49 am #

      @ Sredni


      Yes they do in fact say this. They essay in question makes some interesting and often treasonous arguments.

      First it compares Trump to the President of Belarus, currently being heatened with overthrow by a CIA-EU-Soros-Big Pharma color revolution with the support of foreign troops gathered on its borders. The globalists have even declared someone else as the “real” President of Belarus.

      That the EU should open the pie-hole in its two-sided face on this issue is absurd, given that it has direct election for neither the European Commission nor the European Council nor for the EU Presidency and that the EU President originates as simply some dogsbody nominated by the undemocratic European Council and has never at any point been subjected to any kind of direct democratic process.

      So when the EU lectures you on democracy and especially on its attitude towards national sovereignty – which it despises and disrupts at every opportunity – then you know that one way or another there is another grand bankster fraud in the making.

      More practically, the tactic of putting up another candidate and declaring him or her elected from outside the country is a classic globalist stupidity. It is an especially interesting tactic given how the left protested an identical United States attempt to impose Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido as the “real” Present of Venezuela after recent elections there.

      Remember that little joke?

      While the CIA/globalists and the trad-Marxist Left are all on the same side, they still very often tread on each other’s toes when they dance. And this is just another example.

      As another example, I wonder, was it legitimate when the government of Greece was overthrown and replaced (in 2012?) with a troika of Goldman Sachs economists? What happened to democracy in the EU back then?

      The New York Times follows this call to treason by searching out historical situations where people have attempted to justify foreign intervention in the United States.

      The author then produces a list of people – mostly black and therefore above either criticism or reproach.

      For many Americans — raised to see the United States as the natural leader of the “free world” — it may be hard to imagine requesting foreign intervention against tyranny in our own land. But as historians like Gerald Horne and Carol Anderson have detailed, there’s a long history of Black Americans doing exactly that.

      We then get a long list of names – a number of them prominent melanin-enhanced communists – and assertions that can be summed up thus: “Blackety blackety black, black black black blackety black.”

      One especially interestng facet of this jewel of woke stupidity is that so many of its quoted heroes

      Most of the mentioned high heroes in this piece – which advocates for the government of the United States to be transferred to some number of undemocratic offshore entities – were also at one time or another advocates of the break up of the United States under the cover of black separatism, including, for example W.E.B DuBois, Malcolm X (addressing in particular the NAACP), and Paul Robeson (who as a lifelong Communist would have at various times been in favor both of integration and separation, in accordance with Party dictates).

      I too am in favor of black separatism, very much so, either through the recognition of the human right to Freedom of Association or through the creation within the bounds of the continental USA of a new nation, PayForOurselvesia, where black people can live joyously free of white racism and oppression.

      Of course we would have to build a big wall around the new nation, to keep the residents safe from the evil whites.

      Who would pay for the new wall or fence? Mexico? No, no need for that. I am sure that both white and latin citizens of the USA would be perfectly happy to pay for that wall themselves.

      • ohyesiam October 7, 2020 at 5:01 am #

        Many would prefer an alternative state – Trumponia – where the Goon-in-Chief can play golf and hold rallies all day long, while his diseased followers rattle their cages and throw faeces at the visitors.

        • benr October 7, 2020 at 9:26 am #

          You have a vivid imagination and a proclivity towards ridiculousness.
          Grow up.

      • Sredni Vashtar October 7, 2020 at 1:02 pm #

        PayForOurselvia sounds great. But let’s start by calling it Wakanda. It will be revealed that Neal Grasse Tyson and other great Black scientists have discovered a new source of energy and that they don’t intend to share it with Whites. It can be accessed via melanin via religious ritual and meditation.

        • malthuss October 8, 2020 at 9:08 am #

          They blame racism for all and any problems, real or imagined.

  67. sunburstsoldier October 7, 2020 at 9:47 am #

    Gosh. I see everyone here is still engaged in partisanship, believing the other side is bad or evil while they are, of course, the guys with the white hats full of wisdom and sage advice. Do you not tire of listening to yourselves? Do you not realize all of this endless, repetitious back and forth benefits no one? There is only one salient fact to hold in mind as we enter a time of worldwide turbulence, what is needed is more consciousness and not less. Consciousness IS energy, and the more energy we have the better the odds each of us can make a positive contribution to the world’s rebirth. In the end only through heightening or intensifying (increasing) our personal consciousness will real, positive change come.

    • SoftStarLight October 7, 2020 at 10:28 am #

      Human nature is fundamentally flawed and fallen. No amount of consciousness heightening can change the inherent state of the soul. It sounds like you are chasing utopia. It’s what humans have been searching for ever since we were removed from Eden. Unfortunately in fact, we have not reached the bottom. As you recall, Christ himself will have to intervene so that humans do not destroy all life on the planet.

      • sunburstsoldier October 7, 2020 at 11:26 am #


        Christ will not intervene directly to bring about the world’s rebirth but will work through those souls who recover the light of consciousness within themselves. Your idea that we are ‘fundamentally flawed and fallen’ applies only to the human ego, which is a mind-generated phenomenon and not representative of our true Being.

        • SoftStarLight October 7, 2020 at 11:33 am #

          Revelations 19: 11-16 (NKJV)

          Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

        • SoftStarLight October 7, 2020 at 11:38 am #

          Jeremiah 17:9

          The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?

      • JohnAZ October 7, 2020 at 11:47 am #


        Maybe the God entity, whatever that is, Jesus is just a manifestation of God. God will not interfere with our destruction of Earth, but his Force will reconstruct Gaia. Overpopulation is the route to extinction for all natural history. God gave us intelligence to manage our planet.

        We suck at it. We will pay the price.

        • beantownbill. October 7, 2020 at 12:14 pm #

          Very good comment, and that is exactly how I feel.

          • JohnAZ October 7, 2020 at 1:10 pm #

            Here is a thought. The liberal science community want two things right now. One, to prove that life is not unique to Earth. Do this, and rub out God. Two, go to Mars. Yeah, we are so evil that we are going to not allow our God given intelligence to manage ourselves and our world. So go to Mars when the SHTF.

            Here is a sobering thought. Something that no one can disprove.

            What if it is true that we are a God given species and we are it, no more life planets, we are the center of the sentient universe.

            Kinda makes you think about responsibility.

            IMHO, there will never be Mars, Man is too evil and anti-God to do his God given task on Earth. God will not need to destroy us, we will do it ourselves by destroying Gaia’s ability to support us.

            Man destroys Man.

          • GreenAlba October 7, 2020 at 3:29 pm #

            I’m not religious any more, JohnAZ, as you know, but I don’t know why life on other planets (too far away for us ever to find out about) would mean there was no God, any more than it would mean there was one.

            If there were a God, why could there not be other life-supporting planets? There could be anything, almost by definition.

            I used to read a whole lot of Christian apologetics when I was younger. I think it was CS Lewis who mentioned a question put to him about aliens visiting from outer space and what this would mean to Christians. He reckoned that it would possibly be the aliens who would should be afraid, as they might be an innocent and not fallen species.

            Obviously I’m not qualified to discuss such angels-on-a-pinhead ideas any more, as I just think we’re predatory primates (which theologically translates to ‘fallen’ as a state, rather than an event), but I still don’t see why a theistic universe couldn’t be full of other planets with all sorts of life on them. So I’m not sure why finding life elsewhere in the universe would ‘rub out God’.

          • GreenAlba October 7, 2020 at 3:30 pm #

            *who should be afraid*

          • sophia October 8, 2020 at 12:06 am #

            I cannot fathom, John AZ, why you think life on other planets means there is not God?
            How weak is your belief in God?
            If you believe there is a God, then a not-God situation is not possible.

          • malthuss October 8, 2020 at 9:09 am #

            G-d gave us intelligence to manage our planet.

            Then why are humans destroying the planet? G-d didnt give humans morals and a desire to protect our habitat?

      • Sredni Vashtar October 7, 2020 at 2:00 pm #

        Adam and Eve before the Fall:


        Sunny refuses to admit the existence of clouds, thus his judgment is clouded.

        • SoftStarLight October 8, 2020 at 2:06 am #

          I love this song.

    • BackRowHeckler October 7, 2020 at 3:10 pm #

      Nah, most of us ain’t big thinkers SBS, embracing the Universal. Lot of hardcore cynics in CFNation who have seen too much of life to believe Consciouness is Energy, and embracing it will bring positive change. No, mostly they (we) believe in keeping your revolver near at hand, trouble is closing in, and the world is out to f##k you over in every way possible.


    • ohyesiam October 7, 2020 at 3:57 pm #

      A little injustice in the heart can be drowned by wine. But a great injustice in the world can only be drowned by the sword.

  68. JohnAZ October 7, 2020 at 11:38 am #

    Here are some interesting numbers, compliments of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.

    Biden’s tax revenues would increase taxes by 4.3 trillion over ten years while Trump’s plans will decrease taxes by 1.7 trillion over the same time. The effect on the deficit would be a rise on Biden’s plans and a decrease on Trump’s.

    Biden plan will increase taxes by 3.65 trillion by 2030 by LOW estimates and as high as 6.6 trillion. Details are:

    Corporate taxes up from 21% to 28%
    15% tax on “book profits”. ( Do not have a clue)
    Increase tax from 37% to 39,7% on people making over $400000. (watch how fast that income number drops)
    Capital gains tax from 20% to 36.9% for persons over 1 million dollars of income.
    Increase the payroll minimum tax
    Charge large banks a financial risk fee ?
    Have the IRS crack down on tax evaders. (Haven’t we heard this one before?)

    Robin Hood. Steal from the rich and give to the poor.

    In the meantime, Trump’s policies are ALL tax cuts.
    With his Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, he will cut taxes by a minimum of $1.25 trillion. It will include tax rate cuts to middle incomes, a 15% capital gains rate, capital gains tied to inflation and cutting the minimal marginal income rate from 22 to 15%.

    On the spending side

    Biden’s increased taxes will take a bite out of his increased proposed spending, 4.3 trillion out of 11.1 trillion. Two items 1.9 trillion for health care items and 3 trillion for environmental spending lead the list.

    Trumps’s spending increases are marginal, including school choice, health care proposals that should actually decrease spending a little, and infrastructure spending of $2 trillion.

    Both campaigns want to save money by decreasing Middle East involvement.

    “The CRFB gets its high end claims from the American Enterprise Institute, Penn Wharton Budget Model, Tax Foundation and Tax Policy center. The low end estimates come from the Biden campaign”. The estimate also exclude impact from the Coronavirus.

    This article shows how deep the delusion of the American people has been driven in. Are you kidding me? A man who wants to steal this much money from the American people is 16% ahead of the tax cutter in charge. Trump’s history is cutting, not increasing.

    The “gimmes” May be in charge. Electing Biden will drop the emphasis on income creativity and put it on buy your vote, giveaway programs that have succeeded in putting him ahead. America is finished if Biden wins, the debt will be called in by all the retired and retiring folks to pay for the impact of the increased taxes. Corporations will react by reversing their course and moving offshore. Capital gains increases will knock the hell out of stock and bond based 401s and pension plans.

    It is, it seems, the Dems are trying to destroy the independence of the average American and make him/her more dependent on the government.

    They wouldn’t do that would they?

    • SoftStarLight October 7, 2020 at 11:42 am #

      “Robin Hood. Steal from the rich and give to the poor.”

      Now that is funny John lol! Biden will definitely not be giving to the poor. He will be committed to making more or all of the middle class poor. That is the goal. Destroy the middle so that the very few very powerful and wealthy completely rule over and totally control the huge mass of the poor in all aspects of existence. Just like the covid lockdowns, all of this is meant to destroy as you say the independent average middle class American.

      • JohnAZ October 7, 2020 at 11:59 am #

        And all orchestrated by folks outside the US. And elected by Americans. We are our own worst enemy.

        The Poor, there is no such thing. Just a bunch of indulged people who do not want to work and have everything handed to them.

        Covid reaction by the Left, lockdowns, are incorrect and yes will work to destroy the income makers. Intelligent Covid reaction, mitigation in the workplace, will decrease the impact of the spread as everything opens up.

        The same people that are continuing the spread, 20 to 45, responsible for 60% of the spread, are the same that are electing the Dems into power. Hmmm! Stupidification at its finest.

      • elysianfield October 7, 2020 at 12:19 pm #

        ” He will be committed to making more or all of the middle class poor.”

        I’m sure that he is not wishing that the middle class be destroyed…I believe that it is an unintended consequence…unfortunate.

        • JohnAZ October 7, 2020 at 12:59 pm #


          C’mon. Look at the state level and local level Blue territories. Do you believe for one second that they care about the income producing middle class. All they want is control and power. California and New York are currently perfect examples. The Blue contingent dared the wealthy to do something when they taxed the hell out of them, like Biden wants to do now. Now, people are leaving both areas in droves. And the Blues are mad, “How dare you”. Hahahahahaha!

          I watched a state representative from California tell Tucker that the goal was to tax the middle class until they leave and can be replaced by illegal immigrants. Consider that the Blues want power period. They do not care about the people at all.

          Unintended, baloney. 100% intentional! But you are right, unfortunate!

          • Sredni Vashtar October 7, 2020 at 1:07 pm #

            Well he E was talking about Biden specifically. I’m not sure he’s ever had an original thought in his life – though Trump did say he came up with using the Logan Act to get General Flynn. So he may have that kind of low cunning.

          • elysianfield October 7, 2020 at 7:41 pm #

            Well, we both can agree on the fact that politicians want to remain firmly attached to the umbilical that is the power and status of office. However, that would usually be accomplished by keeping your electorate fat, happy sated, and relatively insentient. Overt drama usually means that elected officials bear the brunt of the animus of the electorate…to openly poke your constituents with a stick seems…counter intuitive.

            To keep the electorate happy is an old recipe for success…

    • FreddieMars October 8, 2020 at 8:42 pm #


      “Trump’s history is cutting [taxes], not increasing.

      In the only significant tax reform Mr Trump introduced, in 2017, saw the doubling of the Standard Deduction. This was the main directly noticeable change for the 90% of income earners and did a good job of simplifying the system, in that a myriad of previously deductible expenses were eliminated.

      However, the net result for the ‘middle class’ (those around the median income of $70,000) has been a net tax reduction of only 1%, while the top 10% have seen a reduction in excess of 3%, and this while income growth between the 10% & the 90% continues to expand, exacerbating the ‘income & wealth inequality gap’.


      In the meantime, Government-funding for many social services – which services extend right up, through the proverbial ‘middle class’ – is shrinking and this further adds to the embedded inequality.

      At the other end of the scale, the top 10% are enjoying income growth at a rate twice as fast, with lower headline tax rates, but still with the ability to purchase high-end tax accountants & lawyers to further minimize their contribution.

      You often refer to the “gimme” class. Could you possibly define that in more detail, please? I know you’re an intelligent and thinking person, so I’m assuming you don’t just mean welfare recipients.

      I’ve read a few books by David Cay Johnston (recommended by some poster on here if I recall). He examines just how easily and callously the very rich exploit the tax system and actually could be just as well described as the ‘gimme’ crowd because they take insane amounts of taxpayer money OUT of government – at local, state & federal level.
      He’s a conservative thinker and writer, but he has a well-honed sense of justice, which is based on simple fairness. (I think you’d appreciate his work.)


  69. beantownbill. October 7, 2020 at 12:12 pm #

    My feeling on the COVID virus is this: I am 75 years old, but I have a lot left to contribute to the world; and I do contribute in many ways. I’m in a susceptible group because of my age, and I don’t want to die yet. Many people don’t take any precautions when in my presence, even though I’m more susceptible than not.

    The issue then becomes “ Do I have the right to force those not concerned about the virus to wear a mask and practice social distancing, which is a pain the ass, in my presence?”

    Useless eater theory doesn’t apply if I’m not useless. If usefulness is a criterion to not care about old people, then we shouldn’t care for anyone under a ‘useful’ age, say 14. I know, you can say young people have so much more to live and can eventually contribute. But maybe I do too and can contribute indefinitely. And if potential for contribution means something, shouldn’t past and present contribution mean something too? Or do we say, ‘Sorry, sucker’?

    Yes, life is a risk, but it’s also an imperative to try to survive as long as possible – that’s written in our genes. So even though the odds of me surviving a COVID infection are around 19 to 1 in my favor, it’s only logical to eliminate even that possibility by wanting people around me to take precautions. If life really is a risk, then why not do parasailing or bungee jumping or free-fall parachute jumping? After all, most people survive those activities and the odds are in their favor.

    So, to answer my question at the beginning of this comment, yes I do have the right to try to force people to take COVID precautions when in my presence, IMO. Although it’s a nuisance, the effort is minor and only for a short time – otherwise they are being selfish and uncaring. I suppose I’ll get nailed by posters here for that attitude.

    • Sredni Vashtar October 7, 2020 at 1:11 pm #

      So extending that mindset one comes to the Dershowitz Protocols of dragging people in to vaccinate them against their will.

      Care to create a boundary or limit? In Ancient Greek thought, the infinite was equated with Primeval Chaos before Creation per se. Creation meant creating limits, the Sky from the Earth and the Earth from the Water as Genesis puts it.

      • beantownbill. October 7, 2020 at 2:13 pm #

        There could be a boundary or limit. I haven’t thought of the details yet, just the idea. That’s a subject for another discussion; and there ought to be a discussion.

        • tucsonspur October 7, 2020 at 7:58 pm #

          Archimedes was essentially dealing with limits and infinitesimals with his ‘method of exhaustion’. This method was the precursor of the integral calculus. Limits and the infinite preceding Newton and Leibnitz by 2000 years.

        • sophia October 8, 2020 at 12:11 am #

          Should kids wear masks all day in school?
          Should workers have to wear masks all day at work forever?
          Because we have flu every winter and it kills at a similar rate.

          • HapMan October 8, 2020 at 1:30 am #


            There is a seasonal flu vaccine. There is no COVID vaccine, yet.

            Humans have natural immunity to the seasonal flu but not to COVID.

            The rates of death, hospitalization and long term complications from COVID are higher than those of the seasonal flu by several multiples.

            But aside from all of that, your logic is impeccable.

          • Night Owl October 8, 2020 at 2:47 am #

            The virus passes through the mask.

            The answer is self-evident.

          • Sredni Vashtar October 8, 2020 at 4:35 am #

            Hap: Just the opposite. Lots of people get and don’t know it or hardly. Others are exposed and it can’t even breach their external defenses – thus no antibodies (signs of combat) are produced.

            Give up the fear porn. Let’s face it: you’ve never thought about death before. The weakness of a secular culture and the kind of people it produces. So it’s not all on you, but it’s on you to overcome it.

          • HapMan October 8, 2020 at 11:07 am #

            SV: fear porn, virtue signaling, etc etc. This is the language of people who live online.

            And “Never though about death”, “slavery” etc is just intellectual masturbation.

            The issue is risk. If the guy behind me in line at the grocery store is wearing a mask, my risk is reduced. If I’m wearing a mask, his risk is reduced. Multiply this by several hundred close encounters over a period of weeks or months and your and my risk is reduced. Multiply this by the few hundred million people in this country and you get a meaningful impact on infection rate, illness, hospitalization and death.

            This is pretty basic stuff and I am pretty sure you get it.

          • HapMan October 8, 2020 at 11:17 am #

            Re the comment above by the troll captioned as “Night Owl”:

            Surgical masks have been around for many decades and their utility is straightforward and well understood. They block droplets expelled by the wearer in which the virus is embedded. They are not failsafe but reduce risk of transmission.

          • Sredni Vashtar October 8, 2020 at 1:18 pm #

            Hap: So in other words, masks now and forever. How did we get this far without them, right? And you want to pretend there’s no downside to this? If so, you are very superficial.

            I have no problem with you wearing a mask. But how do you get to order us to do it? What do you care? The mask works or it doesn’t. You’re safe with your MASK on! Of course that doesn’t satisfy you, Liberalism being the fear that someone (especially someone White) somewhere is happy and free. So we really need our separate stores and offices; better yet our separate states and Nations.

          • Night Owl October 8, 2020 at 3:09 pm #

            The virus passes through the mask.

            A fact that HapMan cannot dispute.

            Too bad, so sad.

          • HapMan October 8, 2020 at 6:22 pm #

            SV: No, not masks now and forever. Just now and until there is a generally available vaccine, which is hopefully a matter of months. I kinda feel like you realize that though and are deliberately misstating my view.

            Somehow you have transmuted a straightforward issue of risk mitigation and, I suppose, neighborliness, into issues of slavery, the eternal and apartheid.

            In other words, you manage to be both obtuse and grandiose at the same time. But one thing you don’t manage to do is make a whole lot of sense.

      • Night Owl October 7, 2020 at 2:22 pm #

        It is already en route. United Airlines is testing a Coroneau “passport” for flights out of Heathrow.

        The UK is a globalist Mordor.

        Fuck these people and all who enable them through their cowardice.

    • ohyesiam October 7, 2020 at 3:50 pm #

      It’s astonishing to me that anyone can object to the simple precaution of wearing a mask when that precaution could actually save someone’s life.

      What kind of animals are these people?

      • Sredni Vashtar October 7, 2020 at 7:23 pm #

        Yes, we know that’s how you think of us. That’s why we hate you too. Mask Weirdos are not fully human, obviously.

  70. benr October 7, 2020 at 1:40 pm #

    5G PFFFfffft
    1 gig internet pfffttttt

    Its all about Quantum networking!


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    • elysianfield October 7, 2020 at 7:46 pm #

      Does this mean we can watch UTube cat videos? Dancing pigs? I can hardly wait….

      • benr October 7, 2020 at 11:12 pm #

        Yeah all of them at once.

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  71. tucsonspur October 7, 2020 at 3:13 pm #

    Trump stood there, wanting to be adored like some wounded warrior, returning hero like from the horrors of war. The horrors of bone spurs. He ripped off his mask with a grimacing, grotesque and dangerous gesture, spreading his infection from the WH to the Pentagon and beyond.

    This colonel of covid wanted to be adored. He wanted to be worshipped. Instead, he’s being despised by those who watch Harris’ ascension into the presidency. Some clearer heads got him to change his destructive position on the stimulus bill.

    The VP debate will feature the covid wall and Pence may just be crying out for his mother. No, the other mother. It’ll be interesting to judge Harris, the future president of these divided states of America.

  72. stelmosfire October 7, 2020 at 4:45 pm #

    If Biden/Harris are elected I’m leaving this shithole country just like Whoopi Goldberg and Cher did after Trump was elected. Hey, wait a minute. Whoopi and Cher are still in the States you say? What, the libtards are full of shit? Who woulda thunk?

    • tucsonspur October 7, 2020 at 5:45 pm #

      They probably have places in Europe or wherever that they can visit.
      Not much of a chance they permanently get out of the big, plush, cushy armchair that the US has given them.

      That Cher is some babe though. Whoopi? Fuggedaboutit!

      • HapMan October 8, 2020 at 1:11 am #

        No. They can’t visit Europe. As Americans, they are subject to the EU travel ban.

        It would be fine if they were from Canada, Australia, or New Zealand. Or Uruguay. Or a number of other countries.

        But not the US. Because of our off the charts infection rate.

        Think about that.

        Then think about the fact that the White House has essentially shut down because the head of our government can’t manage his own shit, much less the country, at the level of Uruguay.

        Vote him out.

        • Night Owl October 8, 2020 at 2:53 am #

          “The EU list requires reciprocal easing of travel bans — and the U.S. currently bars most travelers from European countries. China’s inclusion on the travel list is predicated on its removal of EU members from its own travel restrictions.”

          Add this to HapMan’s long list of tin-foil specials.


          • HapMan October 8, 2020 at 10:52 am #

            China is entitled to reciprocity. The US is not. The reason is our infection rate.

            You’re not only a troll, but a very dishonest one.

          • Sredni Vashtar October 8, 2020 at 1:47 pm #

            So apply for citizenship in China, Hapa.

          • Night Owl October 8, 2020 at 3:07 pm #

            You skipped the other half of the post, half-wit.

          • HapMan October 8, 2020 at 4:58 pm #

            SV: Only if you come with me. You clearly need to see what real oppression looks like.

            As for the online trolling activity being conducted under the “Night Owl” caption, I guess the playbook is to pivot to namecalling when the misinformation is called out and the “LOLs” stop working.

          • Night Owl October 9, 2020 at 2:33 am #

            Night Owl has made you look a fool — again.

            Feel free to explain reciprocal easing to us.

            Or twist in the wind.

  73. tucsonspur October 7, 2020 at 8:09 pm #

    Let’s shoot them! This is so cool!


    The ingenuity of some people!

    • FreddieMars October 7, 2020 at 8:23 pm #

      Ingenious indeed!

  74. FreddieMars October 7, 2020 at 8:50 pm #

    One from the vault

    Mr Kunstler. Augsut 2008. Happier times? Certainly, his weekly posts were much more entertaining then:


    • tucsonspur October 8, 2020 at 5:53 pm #

      2009, but a good read, ‘Bladders like Crenshaw melons’. Ha!

      Oh, that traffic. But I still miss NYC and the Cape.

      • FreddieMars October 8, 2020 at 8:51 pm #

        I got stuck in that traffic one Friday afternoon, heading from the Cape to Philly, thinking we could avoid the REAL rough stuff by skirting east and over the Verrazano Bridge. Ha!

  75. elysianfield October 7, 2020 at 10:15 pm #

    A note to “Q”,
    Did you see it? The debate? It was crazier than the Trump/Biden fiasco.

    It began with Pence being late to the podium…the camera found him in the auditorium passing out pictures of a nude Harris committing unspeakable acts with an unidentified black male. The crowd, mostly devout Mormons, were clearly agitated, several vomiting in the aisles, with not a small number fleeing the venue in tears.

    Upon reaching the stage, Pence began berating Harris, quoting Old Testament scripture referencing the Whore of Babylon, and other imprecations, none of them complementary. Harris responded by projectile vomiting a stream of green bile at Pence, not quite reaching his podium, but splashing on his Bruno Mali’s. Pence began a spirited fandango, trying to dislodge the larger pieces of goo from his shoes, all the while brandishing what he screamed was a vial of Holy Water (blessed by the Pope), which he then pitched at Harris.

    Well, then, things got interesting. Harris was covered with the water, began screeching and speaking in an ancient tongue, more than once mentioning “Bezuzu”…before bursting into flame.

    News media covering the event called the debate “a draw”.

    Q, I hope you decided to tune into the debate…it was must-watch
    event…better even than HBO. The above is an accurate description of what I saw.


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    • Q. Shtik October 7, 2020 at 10:26 pm #

      Really sorry I missed it……….NOT!

  76. Sredni Vashtar October 7, 2020 at 10:23 pm #

    At last Trump puts pressure on that smiling goon, Attorney General Barr.


    If they are not brought to Justice, the Cabal will continue to drag down traditional America.

    In other news, Mike Pence is doing great against Harris. This kind of controlled format favors Pence.

    • SoftStarLight October 8, 2020 at 2:31 am #

      He has every right to be furious for sure IMO but he probably should have fired Barr a long time ago when it was pretty clear nothing was happening with his investigations. Kamala seemed to have a hard time hiding her anger and bitterness in the debate. It seemed like a very ugly display to me but of course the alphabet soup news will spin her nastiness into some quality of greatness and leadership. What did you think about those plexiglass shields? As if that is going to stop anything that is airborne. Like we really are living in the twilight zone.

      • Sredni Vashtar October 8, 2020 at 4:37 am #

        Pence did very well. He actually shined – never losing his cool but being very insistent and forceful. Trump would have gone overboard and then she could have claimed victim status. But she can’t with him. He politely got the best of her.

        • SoftStarLight October 8, 2020 at 9:46 am #

          Yeah that’s what I thought too.

  77. benr October 7, 2020 at 11:10 pm #

    Heels up Harris got a beat down a d a load shot in her eye.

    • JohnAZ October 7, 2020 at 11:38 pm #

      Watching Harris, I saw her turn from an arrogant smiling smart ass at the beginning to a frowning smirking diminutive by debate end.

      If you look at the performance of Pence as a communicator, he presented a logical expose of three years of Democratic lies.

      The problem is most of America are no longer able to understand what was said.

      No change.

      • sprawlcapital October 8, 2020 at 12:15 am #

        Correct, John. As a frequent viewer of Fox, I understood most of the debate points. Unfortunately I am probably not the typical voter.

        I think Harris was told to smile a lot, so that she would not look like what she really is: nasty and vicious. Just watch her cross-examining Brett Kavanaugh during his Senate hearing in 2018. That’s the real Kamala.

      • SoftStarLight October 8, 2020 at 2:46 am #

        I think you are being too pessimistic John. And while there is a lot to be desired of people you seem to have no faith in humanity at all. Probably most people who watched know who they are going to vote for anyway. But Mike Pence appeared cool under pressure where as Kamala seems like she is volatile under pressure. I imagine others got that impression. She also seemed to be exaggerated and acting at points. A lot more people notice things like that than understand the policy arguments so there is that aspect.

    • Night Owl October 8, 2020 at 3:18 am #

      The format remains laughable, but Pence put on a clinic — overcoming the format itself.

      Harris reminded us all why she dropped out of the primaries. Despite not having dementia and being much younger, she was unable to get even one memorable moment in.

      • benr October 8, 2020 at 9:37 am #

        Actually there were a bunch.

        The first happened when the host told them that Pence had given them the perfect Segway into the topic and Kamala agreed as if she forgot she was not to have been given the questions before hand.

        The second was when Kamala become giddy with the excitement of an obvious rehearsed tirade.

        When Pence took apart the Russia gate hoax and managed to make Kamala all but show herself to be a liar. by making her distance herself from her own ridiculous platform as well as defending Joe.

        Last Kamala clearly was outmatched at every turn and even resorted to spewing the same tired lies.

        In fact she does not seem all that bright or quick thinking.
        Imagine her with her hand on the nuclear football.

        • Night Owl October 8, 2020 at 10:34 am #

          Ha. I meant memorable in the sense that there was nothing that would help her campaign.

          I had assumed she would be able to pull off a passable superficial performance, but she was truly awful.

          The most amusing part is that the commission now wants all debates to be virtual.

          They know exactly how poorly both Biden and Harris fared.

  78. sophia October 8, 2020 at 12:14 am #

    Yes, I assume that all corona viruses spread the same way. Perhaps I am wrong, but it seems unlikely.

    John, you simply read and believe different sources than I do. You trust sources that I think have proved themselves dishonest.

    And you don’t see how cures are held back due to politics and greed. That really surprises me. There are several treatments that are highly effective. Perhaps cure is too strong a word in that they are perhaps less than 100%.

    • SoftStarLight October 8, 2020 at 2:52 am #

      DJT says regeneron is so good its almost like a cure. He is trying to make it so that anyone with covid can get it for free.

      • Night Owl October 8, 2020 at 3:25 am #

        No cure is needed. It is a coronavirus. Trump’s strategy here appears to be to cut off the vaccine before one arrives.

        His theatrics with removing the mask on arrival at the WH, and his reminder that people should not let the hoax virus narrative control them were one of the most presidential acts seen in decades.

        • tucsonspur October 8, 2020 at 3:46 am #

          Right, he looked just like Mousolini!

          • Night Owl October 8, 2020 at 4:36 am #


            It literally would have taken you 10 seconds to check the spelling of the name of one of the most famous dictators in history, but you didn’t.

            The “Twump Dictator!” crowd is one of my favorite things about these past 4 years.

            Never has politics been so unintentionally entertaining.


          • stelmosfire October 8, 2020 at 7:56 am #

            “Mousolini”? Wasn’t that an anti-Italian film put out in 1942 starring Micky?

          • tucsonspur October 8, 2020 at 4:24 pm #

            I guess I should have left in the e on mouse for the dull and dimwitted!

          • Night Owl October 9, 2020 at 2:42 am #

            Now an insult.

            And the spelling is still incorrect.


  79. tucsonspur October 8, 2020 at 3:43 am #

    I think that the debate was essentially a draw. You might consider Pence the winner since he was cool, calm, and collected under great pressure. He handled the virus about as well as anybody could.

    I don’t like the endless Hillary like smile on Kamala. The mouth with those teeth that will chew you up, swallow you, then shit you out and keep on smiling.

    Pence finally mentioned what I was beginning to think he wouldn’t near the end. The four year coup attempt against the president. And damn, it was maybe only for a minute. But it helped balance the debate.

    I see no prosecutions of the perpetraitors unless Trump wins, and even then I wonder. What happened to us? And if Biden wins I doubt the Republicans will mount any meaningful ‘resistance’.

    • BackRowHeckler October 8, 2020 at 9:27 am #

      I think you are correct, TS.

      Regardless of who wins next month the entire matter will be quietly dropped, or overshadowed by more pressing events bearing down upon us.

      • benr October 8, 2020 at 9:39 am #

        If Trump wins you can count on him pushing that ball forward if for nothing else, to troll his enemies and the sheer spectacle of it.

      • tucsonspur October 8, 2020 at 5:32 pm #

        Barr reminds me of that fat old union guy who gets paid for doing nothing.

        For years, yes years, Hannity and guests like Sarah Carter went on and on about how the coup perpetraitors were going to face the music. Each day it seemed, there were new revelations, new incriminating evidence to put these people away.

        Was it to just gin up the ratings? The whole thing just fizzled out.
        Why? Obama-Hillary deep state connections? I just can’t figure it.

  80. KesaAnna October 8, 2020 at 5:17 am #

    “A growing number of Secret Service agents have been concerned about the president’s seeming indifference to the health risks they face when traveling with him in public …”

    Figures vary based on source , and on method of calculation , but the base average pay for a Secret Service agent is 40K a year.

    IF they ARE REALLY CONCERNED then they can quit , and go to work at Burger King , for minus – 15 k a year .

    Problem solved .

    ” The issue then becomes “ Do I have the right to force those not concerned about the virus to wear a mask and practice social distancing, which is a pain the ass, in my presence?”

    There is no issue.

    At all.


    50,000 dead in Italy ?

    The population of Italy is 60 million +.

    Doubtless more people die in Italy every year from a slice of pizza that went down the wrong way , or from slipping on a banana peel and breaking their neck.

    No , math isn’t my best subject , but I’m pretty sure that 50k out of 60 million + doesn’t add up to even one in a hundred.

    200, 000 dead in the U.S. ?

    The population of the United States is 300 million + .

    Again , I’m pretty sure that doesn’t add up to even one in a hundred.

    Given those mortality figures —

    ” … those not concerned about the virus … ”

    On the contrary , the only thing suspect , or at issue here , is your claimed concern.

    “ Do I have the right to force those not concerned about the virus to wear a mask and practice social distancing, which is a pain the ass, in my presence?”

    EITHER you DO have freedom of association , or you DO NOT have freedom of association.

    If you DO have freedom of association then you are not obliged to be in my presence , and I am not obliged to be in your presence.

    If you DO NOT have freedom of association , then , subsequently , any talk about “rights ” is superfluous.

    The only issue here , a thousand times over , is the routine ignoring of the reality that you can leave my presence if you don’t like my presence.

    And if you can’t leave my presence , that’s called , ” Prison ” , or , ” Slavery ” , and there are no ” rights ” in Prison or in slavery.

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    • malthuss October 8, 2020 at 9:13 am #

      hello Kesa…covid = agenda 21.

    • benr October 8, 2020 at 9:41 am #

      Nice cogitating.

    • beantownbill. October 8, 2020 at 11:21 am #

      Like any right, there’s limits. I’m not a legal scholar so I won’t try to get into what what those limits should be.

      “EITHER you DO have freedom of association , or you DO NOT have freedom of association.“

      What about curfews? Does that mean I have no freedom of association? Those pesky limits again.

      “Doubtless more people die in Italy every year from a slice of pizza that went down the wrong way , or from slipping on a banana peel and breaking their neck.”

      I rather doubt it.

      In your opinion 200,000 dead is no cause for concern because it is such a low death rate. That’s your opinion. My opinion is the opposite. Surviving in this world is tough enough that we don’t need any extra threats, no matter the odds.

  81. KesaAnna October 8, 2020 at 5:35 am #

    ” What kind of animals are these people? ”

    The kind of animal that would at least respect you more if you had the guts and integrity to call me a nigger ,

    which I have little doubt is what you really mean.

    It’s the same old , same old , you wanna be a chief instead of an Indian , and any excuse — really ANY excuse — will do for the purpose.

    It’s a new Reichstag fire every fucking week.

    • elysianfield October 8, 2020 at 7:30 pm #

      “The kind of animal that would at least respect you more if you had the guts and integrity to call me a nigger ”

      …C’mon man….

      Them’s fightin’ words. Suppose I call someone that…he has a knife and I have a gun…what is he going to respect? Not the narrative, in my opinion.

    • FreddieMars October 8, 2020 at 8:59 pm #

      Excuse me, KesaAnna, but how do you get a racist skew from ohyesiam’s simple question?

  82. KesaAnna October 8, 2020 at 6:30 am #

    ” The China virus is no more consequential than the flu dumbass. Any and all responses to date, more than would be appropriate for the flu, are bullshit. Go back & hide in your living room, and peek out the blinds. Oh, and don’t forget to keep your mask on, pussy. ”

    It seems to me that is the sort of scurrilous rant that ought to get you banned from CFN.

    — Except that you happen to be sincere , and correct btw.

  83. BackRowHeckler October 8, 2020 at 6:35 am #

    Last night, more interesting events than the VP debates, which were pretty lame. In suburban Milwaukee, Peaceful Protesters actually did move their Street Aktion into the suburbs as they have threatened, smashing windows and destroying property. (Shining bright lights into windows, shouting threats thru electronic bullhorns, throwing bricks into storm doors, you know the drill by now.)

    “Tear white people’s shit up”, which is what they were shouting.

    There is plenty of video of another ‘Community Shopping Spree’, Community members running out of shops with arms full of merchandise. Also Community Members came armed with claw hammers and hatchets, used to smash thru plate glass windows and storefronts.

    What, didn’t see anything about it this morning on the news?

    No police presence evident. It seems like the only time the cops show up is if a homeowner defends his property or a motorists tries to navigate thru blocked streets; then the whole force shows up “to protect peaceful protesters.”


    • malthuss October 8, 2020 at 9:14 am #

      your usual brilliance.

    • Sredni Vashtar October 8, 2020 at 3:01 pm #

      Somehow the Communists really established themselves in Wisconsin and Minnesota. The communalism of Nordic man mutated unto his doom? Can’t take his own side, not only as an individual but even as a group or community?

      Their cousins the Anglo-Saxon went the other way towards individualism and economic conquest – and all the evils inherent in that.

      Our current system is the worst of both worlds and systems.

      • malthuss October 8, 2020 at 11:45 pm #

        They have it too good, unlike the settlers who didnt have it good.

        Like in the Nordic lands?

    • Kim October 12, 2020 at 10:02 pm #

      One of those big shop windows is very expensive to replace.

      I saw one man saying it cost him $1300 to replace his at his drugstore and no insurance cover at that price.

      Tough when you are not making any money.

  84. BackRowHeckler October 8, 2020 at 8:56 am #

    Meanwhile, back on the homefront, in these overwhelmingly white wealthy Ct towns where BLM signs have sprung up like mushrooms on stately well tended, broad, green lawns, underneath oak and maple trees, latest political craze is for local Town Councils, by unanimous vote, to declare ‘Racism as a Public Health Crisis.’ Lot of fanfare around it. Not sure as a practical matter what it means. Dozens of cars are being stolen out of these towns every week, and a local govt elected official got in trouble recently for identifying the car thieves as Community Members and Hispanic ‘Youths’ from nearby Hartford and New Haven (which is where police eventually find the stolen cars) Phew, he caught hell, probably shut him up for good.


    • SoftStarLight October 8, 2020 at 9:59 am #

      Haha they are getting exactly what they deserve! I say give BLM those sweet little towns and allow them complete free reign and definitely no police to respond. That can be their reparations. A reverse Reconstruction-type reign of terror essentially would be absolute and appropriate karma. Thanks for the update!

  85. JohnAZ October 8, 2020 at 10:47 am #


    You think me pessimistic about the American people?

    You have got that right!!

    I sit and watch the results of the BS propagated against the President and then hear poll numbers showing the aholes are ahead by not 5%, not 10% but 15-16%.

    Yes, the demographics of this country have changed so that Democratic, no Progressive communistic candidates can win elections by wide margins.

    This is not the America I was raised in.

    If you think my loss of faith in the American system is a bad thing, give me one good reason to feel differently. Otherwise, sobeit.

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    • SoftStarLight October 8, 2020 at 3:16 pm #

      And you believe all of the deep state propaganda and fabricated polls? Honestly it sounds like you capitulated to the deep state long ago by trusting their experts. Your love and support of diversity and immigration helped get us where we are so not sure why you lament the demographic change so much. You have always preached the diversity is awesome and that we have to accept all ethnicities, etc. So now we have completely fragmented and now you hate the way things are.

      • JohnAZ October 8, 2020 at 9:06 pm #


        You have proved to me you cannot read opinion without spinning your viewpoint onto it.

        Diversity is here, you are unable to do anything about it at all. Big talk has accomplished nothing about Blacks and Latinos being here. We are stuck with these folks. They are part of the great American experiment, can different ethnicities co-exist under a common law and culture. Today, IMHO, that experiment has failed. Blacks and stupid liberal Whites are at fault. Blacks want no part of a common culture, just like Latinos. Diversity is a total failure and should be a lesson to the entire world.

        This country is going to fall apart, it just has not figured out how to do it yet.

        And yes, I wish things had worked out differently. But the blame is on the Left and their continued stoking of racial separation in the country especially the Blacks.

        Read my stuff a little more closely, SSL. Quit believing everything SV tells you.

    • Sredni Vashtar October 8, 2020 at 1:29 pm #

      In response to Bill who thinks the supposed 200,000 dead is a reason to give up our Bill of Rights. And Kesa is right: None of them mean anything without Freedom of Association. That’s part and parcel of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

      • beantownbill. October 8, 2020 at 2:19 pm #

        I didn’t say we should give up our freedom of association. I just gave an example of us already losing it. And what difference is it that the number of deaths isn’t 200,000, but just 10,000? It’s still a tragedy. Pretty soon we’ll be pooh-pooing a million deaths from something. Any loss of life is a tragedy. You may believe in an afterlife, but just because you do doesn’t mean you’re right.

        • malthuss October 8, 2020 at 11:47 pm #

          the line has to be drawn somewhere.

          THIS IS NOT THE SPANISH FLU. I assume the rich wish it
          was but worse so 7 billion could die, fast.

      • elysianfield October 8, 2020 at 7:27 pm #

        “None of them mean anything without Freedom of Association”

        Freedom to associate…I’d much rather have freedom not to associate.

    • Sredni Vashtar October 8, 2020 at 1:31 pm #

      Disregard Sophia. Technical issues.

    • JohnAZ October 8, 2020 at 1:33 pm #


      You pull out one guy’s opinion, there have been MDs that state that wearing a mask has no side effects. Who is right? Who knows?

      You go right ahead and run around without a mask. I will run around with my mask to protect myself from you if you were to carry the crud. If you are fortunate, you will not have to face the crud, I hope that is the case. That will mean you have not infected anyone else.

    • Night Owl October 8, 2020 at 3:04 pm #

      I’ll take obvious things for 500, Alex.


  86. Sredni Vashtar October 8, 2020 at 1:26 pm #

    Old man logic, just like John Az. You want absolute security. You came to the wrong Universe.

    Benjamin Franklin said it best: “”Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

    • beantownbill. October 8, 2020 at 2:28 pm #

      He didn’t say it exactly like that. We all get old, you will too. Then you will have old man logic, by definition. I don’t expect absolute security, I just believe in trying to maximize my odds – I’m a gambler you know and considering odds is how I live.

      • Sredni Vashtar October 8, 2020 at 2:51 pm #

        Maximizing your odds by trampling on our rights. Or as Antifa says, We will tread on you.

        He didn’t? Got a different version of the quote? Let’s see it.

        • beantownbill. October 8, 2020 at 4:09 pm #

          Without looking it up, I think he didn’t say ‘a little temporary’. Same gist though.

          • beantownbill. October 8, 2020 at 4:16 pm #

            Oops, you were right. I’ll admit when I’m wrong. That’s what I get for being too lazy to look something up.

  87. JohnAZ October 8, 2020 at 1:42 pm #

    Seven folks trying to blow up the Michigan capitol and kidnap the governor. Wow. Their complaint was that this state does not have the right to repudiate the Federal government. They are trying to fire off a civil war. I believe they are IDed as militia.

    Couple of comments. One civil war 2 is one step closer.

    Two removal of a counter force to the Democratic Deep State across the country makes the rise of the uniparty a certain thing.

    This is just a beginning, these guys are going to pay a heavy price. In the uniparty’s drive to guarantee absolute power.

    • elysianfield October 8, 2020 at 7:25 pm #

      “Seven folks trying to blow up the Michigan capitol and kidnap the governor.”

      Any way to contact them? I’d like to invite them to Oregon….

    • FreddieMars October 8, 2020 at 9:21 pm #

      JohnAZ said “Two removal of a counter force to the Democratic Deep State across the country makes the rise of the uniparty a certain thing.

      John, are you seriously saying that self-organized mobs of ‘good ol’ boys’, armed to the teeth and wrapping themselves in the Flag are okay and should be left to do whatever they want, including kidnapping state governors they don’t like for political reasons and blowing up public buildings? Are these guys ‘heroes’ to you? Are they in the same vein as Rittenhouse?

  88. Sredni Vashtar October 8, 2020 at 1:56 pm #


    Black Pastor calls Kamala as “Hillary Clinton in Blackface”. Laura was stunned! Or pretending to be…..

  89. Sredni Vashtar October 8, 2020 at 2:16 pm #

    Trump says No to virtual debate. Good decision to avoid this gay affair. His instincts are spot on. Meanwhile Pelosi is making noises about impeaching Trump because he’s in an “altered state” due to Regeneron or something. As Mark Steyn says, This from someone whose real face we haven’t seen in decades. And his, I prefer Trump’s altered state to her real one.

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    • beantownbill. October 8, 2020 at 2:33 pm #

      If it were true that Regeneron alters one’s mental state, then Pelosi, she of the no-mask hair salon, should move to ban it. And everyone who has taken it should lose their jobs. /sarc

    • SoftStarLight October 8, 2020 at 3:11 pm #

      Piglosi is also scheming now to remove Trump from office on the 25th amendment. They think they can deal conventionally with the unconventional. The US will dissolve for sure if he is removed from office and likely will do so anyway once the contested election drags on without resolution after January.

      • sophia October 8, 2020 at 5:53 pm #

        Today I was promised 40,000 militia are ready to repel UN forces in my state alone.

        • FreddieMars October 8, 2020 at 6:40 pm #

          Hi Sophia

          Could you perhaps expand on this, please?

          Who would be in a position to promise you such a thing?
          And how are these UN forces expected to be able to ‘invade’ your state?
          In what dystopian circumstances would any US Government invite in UN forces?
          If such UN forces are not invited, then who WOULD send them in and how would they achieve this? What would you think the objective might be?

          • JohnAZ October 8, 2020 at 8:46 pm #


            The Left in this country are soldiers of the globalists. Of course they want intervention from the UN, just like the Paris environmental treaty was going to tell the US how to spend its resources and who it was going to give trillions to.

          • FreddieMars October 8, 2020 at 9:13 pm #


            Okay, I get what you’re saying, but that a pretty amorphous ‘adversary’.

            It’s also quite a ways from the statement “UN forces”, which implies to me the Blue Helmeted multi-national uniformed brigades.

            Maybe Sophia might be able to explain it?

          • Kim October 12, 2020 at 9:54 pm #

            @ Freddie Mars

            Not to interrupt your imaginary colloquy with Sophia, but this is a pretty naive statement.

            In what dystopian circumstances would any US Government invite in UN forces?

            Leaving aside that no healthy sovereign nation ever invites in the blue helmets. Blue helmets are always imposed on those who can’t resist.

            That aside, I could pose a very lengthy number of similarly constructed statements reflecting events that in fact happened! For example,

            “Why would any US Government hand control of XYZ domestic policy power to hostile foreign off-shore bodies?”

            But the US government has done such supoosedly unreasonable thinsgt before this and has tried to do it recently. Remember this one?


            This frightful anti-national sovereignty globalist treaty almost became policy in a number of Western countries.

            Or this one?


            Again, one can express skepticism that such things could ever happen – except that such things have happened!

            I could make a very long list of such globalist attempts to overturn US national sovereignty with the cooperation of local US power-elites(!), many of them successful or in the process of being implemented by UN-funded and directed groups in the US today (the utterly hostile and anti-sovereign Agenda 30 program for example).

            As to the suggestion of the possibility of the imposition of physical or armed UN-labelled military force upon the United States – as opposed to overthrowing of her sovereignty via gradualism and stealth – it certainly does seem to be an unlikely scenario. But that is only the case as long as the US remains politically, socially and militarily cohesive, robust and under local control. That is, as long as the stealth methods of globalist control fail, then the chance of military defeat or occupation remains unlikely.

            Could the United States ever be the victim of armed multi-national interventions or incursions under the guise of peace-keeping forces? Not in the short term. Not as long as the military and politics is not yet fully>/i> subverted and the US citizenry is well armed.

            Funny things can happen historically though. Think of the fall of the Russian Empire and the landing of British and United States troops in Russia in 1918. Who could have predicted it five years before?


            It is always important to remeber that, vis a vis the USA, the United Nations and the “international community” are a pack of baying curs. They have previously used military force in various impoverished and weakened hotspots, and if the United States ever falls into that class – something they fervently desire and evey day work towards – you can be sure that one day very soon afterwards there is every chance that you could go out onto mainstreet to see yellow-skinned, slanty eyed, and coal black peacekeepers marching past under the blue helmets of “peacekeeping”.


      • JohnAZ October 8, 2020 at 8:50 pm #


        The entire Liberal 60% of this country, and its spokesman , the media, MSM, and social media are plotting against Trump 24/7. You are right about the collapse that is probably coming. Piglosi should be institutionalized for insanity.

  90. Sredni Vashtar October 8, 2020 at 2:48 pm #


    Two minutes to midnight since the State has not only taken a side but tacitly (or at times overtly) affirms their moral right to commit violence.

    Looks like we’re in for nasty weather.

    • SoftStarLight October 8, 2020 at 3:08 pm #

      Yep! Hurricane Delta is coming. Can you believe it!? The first ever storm in the Greek alphabet to get this strong and dangerous. It must be an omen. I got a text telling me to prepare for damaging winds and flooding rainfall within 24 hours. It’s been like six times this year already. The storms point to the biggest storm of all that is coming?

      • Sredni Vashtar October 8, 2020 at 4:06 pm #

        Wild nights are you glory. But watch out if it strikes during the daytime. You can’t let anyone see your ethereal translucent wings….

      • JohnAZ October 8, 2020 at 8:38 pm #

        Hurricane Delta, nothing to worry about. Just go outside and enjoy the fresh air. No need to be concerned, the death rate is going to be very small and we do not need to be concerned about dying anyway.

        Let ‘er rip, huh SV.

  91. tucsonspur October 8, 2020 at 5:12 pm #

    Yesterday Donna Brazile, on Fox news, gloated over Harris’ wonderful debate performance.

    A GOP fundraiser for Trump is being charged for not registering as a foreign agent. Our great Justice Department has to prosecute somebody, no?

    About a dozen or so brilliant militants supposedly planned to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan, giving the Democrats a great example to show how violent the Right is, and why we need Biden to keep the peace.

    Right, Nancy Pelosi attacks again with the 25th, sowing doubt as to Trump’s capabilities.

    The debate commission now seems that it may in fact be biased against Trump.

    It’s interesting to note that during my expanded neighborhood surveillance I noticed a roughly equal number of signs, but three Trump flags flying and none for Biden. That’s the old America, good old fashioned patriotism flying.

    Biden is still keeping his lead though, and may very well win this one in spite of the anti-Americanism permeating the Democrats. What a shame.

    • JohnAZ October 8, 2020 at 8:41 pm #

      Everywhere you look, someone is clobbering Trump, most of it phony and made up 24/7.

      How did this country become so one sided? It is a mystery to me.

      Uniparty, here we come. Deep State, victory, people losers.

    • Night Owl October 9, 2020 at 2:25 am #

      There is a video of one of the “militants” in question. He is a left-wing anarchist who, like you, things Trump is a tyrant.

      Just another day in TDS land.


  92. sophia October 8, 2020 at 5:51 pm #

    For your reading pleasure:


    • Night Owl October 9, 2020 at 2:49 am #

      Here in Germany, a big media personality has just come out claiming that German media is marching in lockstep promoting Corona conspiracy theories.

      Given that he is an insider who has been paid to promote these theories, the controller class is quite upset. The tidal wave can’t be stopped now.

  93. wwg1wga October 8, 2020 at 9:15 pm #

    the future….

  94. malthuss October 8, 2020 at 11:49 pm #

    I am horrified, not surprised.
    Is anyone surprised by USA and Canadas sharp decline?

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  95. BackRowHeckler October 9, 2020 at 7:53 pm #

    Also in with Hunter Biden and Christopher Heinz Kerry was a third partner, James Bulger, nephew of gangster James ‘Whitey’ Bulger of the Winter Hill Gang in Boston. It was these 3 gentlemen who leveraged their close relations with the Vice President and Secretary of State into a $3 billion ‘investment’ from Chinese Intelligence. I’m not sure how James Bulger fits in, maybe to provide muscle.


  96. KesaAnna October 9, 2020 at 10:50 pm #

    “When we win, do not forget that these people want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it’s funny.”

    — From Sredni Vashtar ‘s link

    I’m not going to address the statement entire , just a piece of it.

    First ;

    “When we win … ”

    Win what ?

    Who among you geniuses actually thinks you have a snowballs chance in Hell of ever becoming a Napoleon Bonaparte , or a Kim Kardashian , for that matter ?

    And even if you did ; So you won the million dollar lottery , with a ticket your cousin ( the cousin you don’t even particularly like ) gave you ?

    ” … do not forget that these people want you broke … ”

    Come March , I will be 55 years old.

    And I have yet to see a rights , or equality movement that actually seemed to be about rights or equality.

    For example ;

    The womens movement .

    Girls want to be Governors , Senators , Generals , Fighter pilots , and police officers too ….

    …. wait a minute ….

    in plain language ;

    You want to climb into the ranks of the aristocracy too ,

    you want to do fun and / or glamorous stuff , and be grossly over – paid , comparatively , to do so ?


    What the fuck does that have to do with equality ?

    Equality with Hitler ? Equality with John D. fucking Rockefeller ?

    I’ll be damned if I can tell where it has anything , remotely , to do with equality.

    Still worse , anything to do with rights.

    It seems to me that , consistently , ” rights ” is code for privilege.

    Which , very quickly , evolves into , or translates as ;

    A ” right ” is sticking a fucking gun in someones face.

    That is , this ” right ” innovation pretty much adds up to a concept that would have been easily familiar to a 15th Century German Duke ;

    Some folks have the privilege of strapping on a sword the same way they go about putting on their socks ,

    while , for others , strapping on a sword — merely the act of doing so , never mind that you never did , and never intended either , to chop anyones head off with it — is a Felony.

    ( The above is not rhetorical by the way. In many Western jurisdictions now mere possession — of an 1862 Navy Colt for example — is a Felony , in , and of , itself.

    And that’s just one example of why you can go right ahead and call me full of shit , or crazy , I’m still quite confident in saying that you live in East Germany too , and for you to fancy that it is in any ways otherwise is nothing but the grossest self – flattery.

    Limits ??

    Pffft !

    You dispensed with anything remotely resembling limits a long fucking time ago. )

    On second thought ,

    it seems to me that , if anything , this innovation is worse than what 15th Century Germany had to offer.

    How so ?

    Well , at the very least , ” Some animals are better than other animals ” is better because it is more blatant , more obvious.

    Whereas , ” All animals are equal — but some are more equal than others ” is a nebulous , foggy , abstraction which can be spun out to infinity.

    The former is better precisely because it is unrefined , antiquated , antique , and ……

    …. LIMITED.

    ( You know LIMITS ? Those things you democratic , freedom loving types supposedly think so much of ? )

    Next example ;


    I’ll skip to transsexuality because it seems like the simplest , plainest , most direct example of the dichotomy I wish to illustrate.

    As I understand it , transexuality — at least used to be — about ;
    ” imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. ”

    That is , it used to be about fitting in.

    How the fuck are you going to fit in , pass off , as one sex , when every Tom , Dick , and Harry knows full well that you used to be the other sex ?

    That would not constitute fitting in as the opposite sex.

    And it wouldn’t constitute belonging among the opposite sex , even in the remotest sense.

    I would ask those who are old enough to search their memories on this point.

    Prior to , roughly , 1990 , how many transexuals do you reckon that you could name ?

    How many , at least as far as you knew , did you know of , at all ?

    You say that , except for the occasional fictional character in a movie , or episode of the Twilight Zone , you didn’t know of ANY ?

    But , wasn’t THAT precisely THE POINT ?

    You weren’t supposed to see them. You weren’t supposed to know them.

    Like I said , the whole idea was to fit in , to belong.

    So , in all of that , how does a parade down main street fit into the equation ?


    It doesn’t.

    Not in any way.

    Now , take out the term , ” transexual ” and apply the same processes and formula to ANYONE.

    When did it become the conventional wisdom that the way to win friends and influence people , to foster an easier , more pleasant life , was to go about sticking guns in everyones face ?

    As JHK has pointed out ( he is of course free to correct me if I am mis – stating his words )

    the sub – text of the Super Hero genre is an elitist , aggressive , domineering , master – race – type cosmology.

    In plain language , Superman ( circa 1950 btw . You can’t blame that one on creatures like Biden ) has to save the day because the ordinary Joe is a hopeless … well … nigger … who must needs be led by the nose.

    I would , for my part , point out that , in plain language , the subtext of the typical TV police drama basically is , in plain language , that wisdom is that the way to win friends and influence people , to foster an easier , more pleasant life , is to go about sticking guns in everyones face .

    Apparently this isn’t obvious , though , because you think it makes a difference whether the hero wears NKVD or Gestapo uniform , or a fucking cowboy hat ?


    Anyway , yeah , as near as I can tell , I have yet to see a rights or equality movement that seems to even remotely have anything to do with such things.

    Which is , of course , to say that , no , nobody ever seems to care much about that ” going broke ” part.

    They are far too wrapped up in a pursuit of power and privilege that , never mind , can only end one way for little people like yourselves.

  97. KesaAnna October 9, 2020 at 11:01 pm #

    * In many Western jurisdictions now mere possession — of an 1862 Navy Colt for example — is a Felony , in , and of , itself.

    — If you don’t belong to a privileged demographic that possesses the requisite privilege to be in possession of an 1862 Navy Colt.

    That is.

    Essentially no different from 15th century feudal German law , except for the nakedly dishonest claim that — well — what’s written in the fucking law book , plain as day , somehow isn’t written there , or somehow doesn’t count .

  98. mubeenkhan October 12, 2020 at 7:44 am #

    Rodents Cause Millions Of Dollars In Damages To Buildings, Field Crops, Stored Grain And Equipment Each Year. In Addition, They Are The Major Carrier For More Than 60 Diseases That Are Transmissible To Humans, Companion Animals, And Livestock. Rodents Cause Immense Economic Losses Worldwide By Damaging Structures, Buildings, Bridges, Sewers, And Cabling Etc, By Gnawing And Burrowing And Contaminating Goods Such As Packaging, Clothing, And Furniture. The Common Diseases Caused By Rats Are Weil’s Disease, Salmonellosis, And Plague.

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  99. Iananna October 15, 2020 at 12:58 am #

    No JHK this week?
    On holidays, hopefully rather than under the weather.
    Is he OK?

    • malthuss October 15, 2020 at 11:41 am #

      you are clicking on old thread…I get this as well, when I use on ‘favs’ link.

      • Iananna October 16, 2020 at 12:13 am #

        I cannot find a “newer” posting.


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