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CBS-News carried another bucket of muddy water for the coup team Sunday night with a lead 60 Minutes agit-prop story on Maria Butina, an ambitious Russian cutie who worked the American NRA circuit in the most public manner imaginable to make herself into a sex-bomb celebrity at the exact moment in history when the US Deep State wished to reinforce the fantasy, as Lesley Stahl put it, that “Russia was interfering in our electoral process.”

Of course, Ms. Stahl and her shifty producers left out half the story: how Maria Butina was manipulated by her FBI-handler and sometime-boyfriend, Patrick Byrne, the former Overstock.com CEO who had been employed by the Bureau over the years on other undercover assignments. They didn’t mention him or seek to understand his role in the operation. But they gave plenty of air-time to the DOJ lawyer, John C Demers, who prosecuted Ms. Butina, and never bothered to ask Demers why Butina was not charged with espionage — perhaps because nothing remotely like that occurred.

How media giants like Ms. Stahl can keep mouthing this malarkey designed to stoke a new cold war is one of the great mysteries of our national psychology these days. You’d think they’d learned something from the train wreck of the Mueller Investigation, the Brett Kavanaugh fiasco, and the current debacle of Adam Schiff’s imploding Ukraine whistleblower caper — namely, that spouting lies will eventually get you found-out and disgraced.

But the coup team is now dangerously stuck tripling and quadrupling down on its fairy tale narrative as the reckoning of its dark deeds approaches and its star players await their turns on the witness stand. Half the country has been waiting patiently for authorities-of-standing to put an end to this Hitchcockian campaign of seditious fog that has driven us close to the brink of a second civil war. That half of the country has actually been reading the evidence of this treason and sedition — underwritten by Hillary Clinton and her allies — on the back-channels of the Internet. None of that evidence has been posted through the main media outlets wholly owned by the coup team, gospel to the other half of America, and soon millions of credulous bystanders who got high on three years of CIA-issued RussiaGate Kool-Aid will get the surprise of their lives when they discover how deeply they were played.

The CIA and the FBI are in a fight for their lives now. The evidence shows pretty clearly that these rogue agencies conducted all the election “meddling” of 2016 and that the RussiaGate hysteria was an engineered smokescreen to hide their tracks and cover their asses when the certainty of a Hillary election triumph nauseatingly resolved unfavorably in the cold, gray dawn of 11/8/16. Despite the chatter about an “insurance policy,” they were quite unprepared for the exposure that loomed.

They also badly underestimated the resources of what is now a very sturdy alt.media which has managed to weave the real story of what happened over the past three years into a shocking tapestry of massive subversion and treachery. A big part of the true story is how amazingly incompetent the RussiaGate coupsters were. Did they really believe they could conceal the ties between their agencies and Glenn Simpson’s Fusion GPS operation, and its feckless front man, British ex-spy Christopher Steele, and the whole outfit’s connection to Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee? Did they suppose they could pass off Stephan Halper and Joseph Mifsud as Russian agents when the two have consorted with US and allied intelligence for decades? The US Department of Defense even holds Mr. Halper’s million-dollar pay stubs and Mr. Mifsud appears in photographs of every Western cloak-and-dagger cocktail get-together of spook officialdom for the last twenty years.

The latest, and most desperate gambit is the UkraineGate whistleblower, a CIA employee blatantly playing errand-boy for his mentor John Brennan and deeply tied to 2016 election shenanigans emanating from Ukraine, featuring his former employer, ex-Vice-President Joe Biden. This shadowy figure, pegged as Eric Ciaramella, 33, may shortly find himself in a grand jury chamber answering for his role in this charade. Ciaramella has just been hung out to dry by his sponsor, Rep. Adam Schiff in a desperate attempt to dissociate himself from the huggermugger within his House Intel Committee that preceded the falsely blown whistle.

It’s not an overstatement to say that many of the figures behind this gigantic web of lies and deceit ought to answer charges up to and including treason. The question is whether Messers Barr & Durham have the cojones to cater the banquet of consequences that this huge cast of characters should be made to feast from. Another question is whether these desperate characters and the agencies they represent will go all the way now and attempt to enlist the military brass in an outright overthrow of the executive. There are already intimations of this. It would be answered by the kind of civil violence that has broken out in other parts of world where other Deep States have worn out their welcome — and their legitimacy.


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  1. Beryl of Oyl November 4, 2019 at 10:33 am #

    60 Minutes, back in 1990, suspended Andy Rooney for remarks “attributed to” him, which he said he did not make.
    More recently, they set up their own reporter, Lara Logan, when she became an inconvenient woman.
    They haven’t been a reliable investigative news source for quite some time.

  2. ellipsis November 4, 2019 at 10:36 am #

    Great post Jim, but this “civil war” of which you speak will be confined to the DC beltway and it’s immediate environs. It really doesn’t concern the rest of us, who are all no doubt screwed no matter who comes out on top. Rest assured, the Wall St boys and their various enablers won’t miss a beat either way.

    • ellipsis November 4, 2019 at 10:44 am #

      Watching the interview now. Butina was quite the fetching young lass in her earlier years.

      • K-Dog November 4, 2019 at 1:15 pm #

        And give anybody with a Hunter Thompson fixation a hard on.

        And there is more.

        • BackRowHeckler November 4, 2019 at 9:57 pm #

          K-Dog

          Are you an NRA member?

          • K-Dog November 5, 2019 at 2:10 am #

            I prefer the drugs and rock’n roll part of the persona.

      • shotho November 4, 2019 at 2:20 pm #

        Ellipsis. I think you’re onto something. It’s hard for me to see how anything will really change if Barr reveals and prosecutes anything and anybody. The budget will continue to go up a trillion dollars a year; the health care system will continue to break the bank of patients and keep them sick in the process; the education system will continue to not educate; the transportation system will continue to only transport cattle; Wall Street will continue to grift. And the most degenerate population in the history of mankind will do nothing as long as the telly continues to operate and the fast food joints continue to make them fat. I find our host, as well spoken as he is, incredibly optimistic. Incidentally, I am in Croatia and have not heard the words Trump and Pelosi for almost a week now.

    • JohnAZ November 4, 2019 at 12:02 pm #

      Ellipsis

      How do you think the Blue blocks would reaction to a Liberal coup in DC. The west coast, Illinois, Colorado, and the North East all have huge vested interests in keeping the Liberal Deep State dream alive. It is difficult to imagine how the various areas of the country will react to an attempted coup in DC.

      There is a group of GOP senators that are putting a plan together to decentralize the civil service sector of DC. Once the impeachment idiocy is over, you can bet the Deep State will fight this tooth and nail.

      The two I know about is sending Agriculture to Kansas City, and the BLM to Grand Junction,Colorado. Others are in the wings.

      My revolutionary idea is to take the national Capitol stone by stone and move everything away from Foggy Bottom and move it to a central location like KC. Remove the East Coast bias that shapes the place. It was built where it is because it was the center of the original colonies. It no longer is the center of everything.

      Sure would put some construction folks in work for a few years. Build it exactly the same as the mall and environs now. It would cost a small fortune but compared to our spending now, not that much.

      • Plennie_Wingo November 4, 2019 at 12:23 pm #

        Or even better, mount the whole mess on wheels so it can be towed around to the exact geopolitical center as it changes.

        If that happens to be in the middle of a swamp, then how apropos…

        • Iananna November 8, 2019 at 4:07 am #

          I was about to endorse JohnAZ’s suggestion but you suggested improvement is even better.
          It could be called the Rolling Blunder show.

      • DrTomSchmidt November 4, 2019 at 1:31 pm #

        Moving federal bureaucracies away from DC would do a lot. You don’t want to move them to too many red states; they turned VA purple, now blue.

        But I think defense in Texas; Ag in KC; State in Pierre, SD, would go a long way towards helping the rest of the country. As an added bonus, it would destroy property values in the 10 of the 11 richest counties in the USA that surround DC.

      • abbybwood November 4, 2019 at 1:57 pm #

        It if we did that, none of these jerks would bother running for Congress! Why would they want to share trains with all the cattle cars heading to slaughter? After all, none of their favorite haughty watering holes would follow…

        I think you are on to something with this idea!!! I like it!!

      • williamwilliams November 5, 2019 at 8:37 pm #

        >>>My revolutionary idea is to take the national Capitol stone by stone and move everything away from Foggy Bottom and move it to a central location like KC.

        I say we nuke the entire site from orbit.
        It IS the only way to be sure.

        • Iananna November 8, 2019 at 4:12 am #

          “They mostly come at night. Mostly.” – the other Newt.

  3. K-Dog November 4, 2019 at 10:44 am #

    The coup team. That is funny. What is more funny is how all this nonsense is backfiring on the entire political apparatus.

    A man who does not even pay his bills manages to become president and Potemkin efforts to impeach him become so ridiculous that the half of the country who imagined themselves Democrats realize now they have been played for years. Trump is going to get re-elected because the truth is he star of the plutocratic team. That is the one and only team that really controls America. Democrats and republicans are the shirts and skins of American Political Football. Divisions between parties are now imaginary. And the pussy grabbing guy who does what he wants is the perfect expression of American zeitgeist. A lot of people would like to be like Trump so afraid care they to even take a dump. For such getting rid of Trump is more scary than getting rid of him. People who actually believe in something can”t agree.

    • K-Dog November 4, 2019 at 10:45 am #

      For such getting rid of Trump is more scary than keeping him

      • Beryl of Oyl November 4, 2019 at 10:52 am #

        I was wondering what that meant. I thought it was me.

      • K-Dog November 4, 2019 at 10:54 am #

        I should not have made the original comment. I hit submit before I fixed my errors. But I’ll blame my itchy paw on Trump. If it were not for him I’d not have embarrassed myself. All his fault. I bet a lot of people feel like me. Trump is animated embarrassment and spreads it around like soft butter.

        • K-Dog November 4, 2019 at 11:00 am #

          And’hespreads it around like soft butter. On it goes.

        • Janos Skorenzy November 4, 2019 at 11:29 am #

          TDS. Medium stage. That you can joke about it doesn’t change it. People joke about their cancer too. Prognosis? Uncertain. Cure? Unlikely.

        • JohnAZ November 4, 2019 at 12:07 pm #

          You sound like the MSM. Any problem at all, sit around the editorial table and spin it to blame Trump. If Trump was as omnipresent to cause all the stuff that is blamed on him, he would not be President, he would be God.

          You show your susceptibility to media BS.

          • K-Dog November 4, 2019 at 1:05 pm #

            And you don’t know a joke when you see one.

  4. Robert White November 4, 2019 at 10:54 am #

    Wokesterism has landed on the shores of Clusterfuck Nation sporting a flag of The Duck’s face & wig as symbols of heraldry
    for a NYC Real Estate scion gone rogue with public debt.

    As Deutsche Bank stock tumbles into the netherworld of Chapter 11 bankruptcy we will evidence yet more of the wokesterist crowd clamouring for allegiance to their goals for control over America as The Duck & his progeny are outed for contempt over due process.

    Democrats have nothing to fear over the Republican hair on fire crowd of screaming greater fools that have never understood that The Duck is running out of time on the public dime.

    In less than one year we will evidence how truly corrupt The Duck’s gambit for control has become for the Western world & Banking System.

    America should just declare bankruptcy and get on with life in the third world banana republic that The Duck built for you, and your family.

    P.S. Typo in the first paragraph, Jim.

    RW

    • JohnAZ November 4, 2019 at 12:17 pm #

      Fifty plus percent of the Debt has nothing to do with Trump. Obama doubled the debt himself. Liberals spend and spend, look at what the 2020 candidates are proposing. Good lord, 52 trillion more for health care. Insanity.

      Quit using the Duck as your whipping boy, at least he is spending for what the government is for, defense.

      Trump reduced taxes which increased the debt. Definitely better than increasing taxes and immediately spending the money on boondoggles. The government does nothing to expand the economy, individuals do, so give the capital to the public not the nincompoops in DC.

      • Robert White November 4, 2019 at 12:41 pm #

        Obama did not address the debt & deficit. The Duck exacerbated the conundrum by the largesse of his egregious tax cut for Corporatists that never invested the tax cut into R&D or new hires for employment. The United States of America is wholly irresponsible when it comes to accounting & financial risk taking behaviour.

        I was raised by a Chartered Accountant that worked for Senior Rulings National Revenue CANADA in the Oil, Mines, & Resource Taxation Department.

        Screw the irresponsible & incompetent Government of the United States of America. Fuck them and their risky behaviour. I was NOT raised to be irresponsible like the United States of America when it comes to Finance.

        Sincerely,

        RW

        • JohnAZ November 4, 2019 at 12:54 pm #

          The Corporations spent their windfall, giving bonuses, raises, new hires, paying off debt, buying their stock back, what corporations do with windfalls.

          Much to your chagrin, obviously, is the fact that if the world’s economy tanks, the Phoenix rising from the ashes will be the USA.

          • Robert White November 4, 2019 at 1:05 pm #

            Chapter 11 will not yield anything but ashes. No Phoenix will manifest from nuclear winter.

            RW

        • shotho November 4, 2019 at 2:27 pm #

          RW, you are correct. There is enough treason to spread around concerning our national bankruptcy. Why concentrate on only one scoundrel or party? They are all culpable

          • Robert White November 4, 2019 at 2:57 pm #

            Elizabeth Warren has a solid plan compared to The Duck flying by the seat of his pants-on-fire lies, ‘fake news’, & impeachment.

            Mike Tyson famously said that ‘everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face’ but The Duck failed to learn that lesson in life thinking that he could never be punched in the face metaphorically by opposition punching him in the kisser for the KO round & title shot at helm.

            More than half of America wants to punch Trump in the kisser by now.

            Recession will doom his candidacy & incumbency status just as it did for Tricky Dick.

            RW

          • Nightowl November 4, 2019 at 4:01 pm #

            Elizabeth Warren, fake news in quotes (as though nearly every instance can’t be verified within a few hours), and talk of half of America wanting to punch Trump.

            McResistance is so punk.

          • benr November 6, 2019 at 2:42 pm #

            @rw

            A solid plan to dump 2 million jobs and cost 52 trillion over 10 years with ZERO way to fund it.

            What planet do you live on if you believe anything coming out of lil lizzies mouth?
            No answers just more BS give away programs and you consider yourself one of the smarter people in the room?

            With posts like that I would give your IQ to be around tepid tap water.

    • Epicur November 4, 2019 at 8:52 pm #

      “America should just declare bankruptcy and get on with life in the third world banana republic that The Duck built for you, and your family.”

      Your anger is misplaced.

      I have no great love for Mr. Trump (or any politician), but laying the present situation at his feet (or hanging that albatross around his neck, to mix metaphors) is nonsense. We have been economically doomed for a long, long time and there is no person living or to be born who can forestall that bankruptcy.

      Our present global “civilization” (and its population) is unsustainable, but it is the logical outgrowth of all that came before.

      “If you can keep your head while all about you…”

      • Robert White November 5, 2019 at 3:37 pm #

        The Duck prompted Fed Chair Powell to lower Central Bank rates thereby rendering the United States of America insolvent and prepped for Chapter 11. Powell, and Fed Governors knew all along that they should never, ever, cross the Rubicon into NIRP & ZIRP unknown sub-terrestrial netherworlds & Hegelian Death Spirals.

        I am keep my head about me when I state that the USA under The Duck’s mismanagement is wholly doomed to insolvency & market mayhem. The Corporate Farm insolvency has reached epic proportion with wholesale parallels to the 80’s USA Farm Crisis detailed throughout Finance Intel blogosphere.

        Screw The Duck, man.

        RW

        • Epicur November 5, 2019 at 4:04 pm #

          The US is trapped in a situation where the FED must expand debt super-exponentially or allow a collapse of the world economy, Trump or no Trump. Any attempt to stabilize debt will pull the plug.

          No politician, no bureaucrat, no member of the FED will pull the plug voluntarily. They will continue to stimulate economic activity to expand debt at a super-exponential rate (increase at an increasing rate) until some exogenous event causes the collapse.

          This seed was planted long ago, it is only now ripening.

          Go to the St Louis Fed FRED data, put TCMDO in the query box (Total Credit Market Debt Obligations), after that graph comes up you can add GDP to the graph and edit the graph by making the left axis logarithmic.

          The logarithmic curve that is concave UP (Debt) is increasing at a super-exponential rate for most of its history, a curve that is concave DOWN (GDP) is increasing at a decreasing rate. Any time the Debt curve backs off its increasing rate the GDP curve approaches collapse.

          The Fed either stimulates the economy or allows collapse, that is the dilemma Nixon faced in 1971, that is the dilemma we face now. Trump or no Trump.

          • Epicur November 5, 2019 at 4:10 pm #

            “No politician, no bureaucrat, no member of the FED will pull the plug voluntarily.”

            I should say, no ELECTED politician, or bureaucrat or FED member who depends on ELECTED politicians…

            After the emergency is formally declared TPTB will have to pull the plug, but there will be pain (and eventually blood).

          • Epicur November 5, 2019 at 4:20 pm #

            BTW, if you look at the debt curve you can see where Paul Krugman got his $16 trillion figure in 2008 when he said that was how much the FED should be stimulating the economy (Trump is a piker by comparison). The $16 trillion is, not co-incidentally, what it would have taken to put the the debt curve back on track.

          • Epicur November 5, 2019 at 4:32 pm #

            BTW2, I do agree that Trump is an idiot for thinking he has a solution to our problems, but he’s not special in that sense.

          • Robert White November 5, 2019 at 6:30 pm #

            I don’t disagree with anything you have said except the ‘Trump or no Trump’ part where I prefer the No Trump category, frankly.

            The world needs a stable currency which must be a basket of currencies given USA, and global Debt-to-GDP.

            Macroeconomics has not gone over to Behavioural Economics or Econophysics as of yet. When they smarten up as crypto-engineering slaps some sense into them en masse we will start to see quantum mechanics used. When that happens macroeconomics will undergo a sea change & paradigmatic shift towards a possible future, or probable thermonuclear hot kinetic conflagration.

            Entropy is enemy to Fed Fractional Reserve susperstructure.

            Thermodynamic efficiency of money & labour needs to be applied equitably. Current Finance inefficiency is thermodynamically off-equilibrium & pre-Lehman Moment market equilibrium.

            Denial of the fact that the USA has entered Quantitative Easing Four-QE-4 is evidenced in the overnight REPO liquidity conundrum & CB infusions of cash.

            The Duck is the guy that Powell is catering to. The monetary heroin junkies all follow Dr. Feelgood and his monetary heroin variable & fixed rate schemes.

            If The Duck had not pushed Powell into rate cuts the CB would still have a leg to stand on as opposed to not.

            P.S. You are one smart cookie on Finance.

            RW

          • hmuller November 6, 2019 at 1:44 am #

            Robert White, I agree the USA is well past the point of no return regarding debt collapse.

            However, I think “a basket of currencies” is just a basket of turds since other countries are in the same boat – inflating their fiat currencies. $17 trillion worth of negative yield govt. bonds in Europe and Japan are evidence of a terminally ill world financial system as the CB’s just print up the electronic money to buy the govt. debt..

            Precious metals and tangible property will weather the crash best. But who knows what you’ll be able to keep from thieving gunmen – to include government tax collectors. Nearly all politicians believe taking what is not theirs is the noblest activity on earth.

            I think crypto-currencies are today’s tulip mania. But at least when they crashed in price you could admire your tulips and smell them. How can you smell the vanished electrons of something which never existed except inside a computer?

            Yes, I’m too old to ‘understand cryptos’. When I hear people talk of how we’ll all get rich off something that requires no work – I think “scam”. We’ve lived in a grifter world so long, these people think that’s the way the universe naturally functions and always will.

        • devon44 November 7, 2019 at 1:09 pm #

          Ahh, I get it – you’ve come up with a new nickname for Trump – it’s the Duck!

          Herp Derp!!! Sooo clever! I bet you make some dank memes too, following Warren’s ‘meme-making instructions.’

          I don’t like Trump either, but you’re embarrassing yourself. Your TDS has taken your sense of humor, your sense of perspective, and your sense of decency.

      • Epicur November 6, 2019 at 10:36 am #

        @ Robert White November 5, 2019 at 6:30 pm #

        I think we would agree on much, but there is one thing I would like to clarify. I have no desire to defend Donald Trump. My point is that if you (or anyone) lets anger at the situation occupy your mind you are wasting mental energy and distracting yourself from the task at hand (survival). The same is said for “bargaining”, i.e. seeking solutions for the unsolvable.

        I know no one likes unsolicited advice, but I think you (or anyone) would do well to move on to acceptance and deal with your personal survival in a more focused manner.

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model

  5. lost-in-north-dakota November 4, 2019 at 10:57 am #

    Quoting Mr. K:The CIA and the FBI are in a fight for their lives now. The evidence shows pretty clearly that these rogue agencies conducted all the election “meddling” of 2016……

    My question, where can one read a summary of this version of events. Mr. K alludes to this part or that part, but someone please point me to an article that lays out the case against the FBI and CIA. Thanks.

    • Nightowl November 4, 2019 at 11:01 am #

      Use the Interwebz and figure it out. This “spoon feed” attitude is why half the public have the critical thinking skills of a bag of hair.

    • K-Dog November 4, 2019 at 11:05 am #

      The problem is that the FBI can suppress any article they want. Pass a homeless man on the street with his wobbly shopping cart of earthly possessions. Going against the FBI, that could be you. Without the shopping cart.

      • elysianfield November 4, 2019 at 1:22 pm #

        “Without the shopping cart.”

        Dog,
        …nor a window to throw it out of….

    • Beryl of Oyl November 4, 2019 at 11:22 am #

      You could go to a site called Conservative Treehouse and ask someone there for a link to a summary.

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  1. Beryl of Oyl November 4, 2019 at 10:33 am #

    60 Minutes, back in 1990, suspended Andy Rooney for remarks “attributed to” him, which he said he did not make.
    More recently, they set up their own reporter, Lara Logan, when she became an inconvenient woman.
    They haven’t been a reliable investigative news source for quite some time.

  2. ellipsis November 4, 2019 at 10:36 am #

    Great post Jim, but this “civil war” of which you speak will be confined to the DC beltway and it’s immediate environs. It really doesn’t concern the rest of us, who are all no doubt screwed no matter who comes out on top. Rest assured, the Wall St boys and their various enablers won’t miss a beat either way.

    • ellipsis November 4, 2019 at 10:44 am #

      Watching the interview now. Butina was quite the fetching young lass in her earlier years.

      • K-Dog November 4, 2019 at 1:15 pm #

        And give anybody with a Hunter Thompson fixation a hard on.

        And there is more.

        • BackRowHeckler November 4, 2019 at 9:57 pm #

          K-Dog

          Are you an NRA member?

          • K-Dog November 5, 2019 at 2:10 am #

            I prefer the drugs and rock’n roll part of the persona.

      • shotho November 4, 2019 at 2:20 pm #

        Ellipsis. I think you’re onto something. It’s hard for me to see how anything will really change if Barr reveals and prosecutes anything and anybody. The budget will continue to go up a trillion dollars a year; the health care system will continue to break the bank of patients and keep them sick in the process; the education system will continue to not educate; the transportation system will continue to only transport cattle; Wall Street will continue to grift. And the most degenerate population in the history of mankind will do nothing as long as the telly continues to operate and the fast food joints continue to make them fat. I find our host, as well spoken as he is, incredibly optimistic. Incidentally, I am in Croatia and have not heard the words Trump and Pelosi for almost a week now.

    • JohnAZ November 4, 2019 at 12:02 pm #

      Ellipsis

      How do you think the Blue blocks would reaction to a Liberal coup in DC. The west coast, Illinois, Colorado, and the North East all have huge vested interests in keeping the Liberal Deep State dream alive. It is difficult to imagine how the various areas of the country will react to an attempted coup in DC.

      There is a group of GOP senators that are putting a plan together to decentralize the civil service sector of DC. Once the impeachment idiocy is over, you can bet the Deep State will fight this tooth and nail.

      The two I know about is sending Agriculture to Kansas City, and the BLM to Grand Junction,Colorado. Others are in the wings.

      My revolutionary idea is to take the national Capitol stone by stone and move everything away from Foggy Bottom and move it to a central location like KC. Remove the East Coast bias that shapes the place. It was built where it is because it was the center of the original colonies. It no longer is the center of everything.

      Sure would put some construction folks in work for a few years. Build it exactly the same as the mall and environs now. It would cost a small fortune but compared to our spending now, not that much.

      • Plennie_Wingo November 4, 2019 at 12:23 pm #

        Or even better, mount the whole mess on wheels so it can be towed around to the exact geopolitical center as it changes.

        If that happens to be in the middle of a swamp, then how apropos…

        • Iananna November 8, 2019 at 4:07 am #

          I was about to endorse JohnAZ’s suggestion but you suggested improvement is even better.
          It could be called the Rolling Blunder show.

      • DrTomSchmidt November 4, 2019 at 1:31 pm #

        Moving federal bureaucracies away from DC would do a lot. You don’t want to move them to too many red states; they turned VA purple, now blue.

        But I think defense in Texas; Ag in KC; State in Pierre, SD, would go a long way towards helping the rest of the country. As an added bonus, it would destroy property values in the 10 of the 11 richest counties in the USA that surround DC.

      • abbybwood November 4, 2019 at 1:57 pm #

        It if we did that, none of these jerks would bother running for Congress! Why would they want to share trains with all the cattle cars heading to slaughter? After all, none of their favorite haughty watering holes would follow…

        I think you are on to something with this idea!!! I like it!!

      • williamwilliams November 5, 2019 at 8:37 pm #

        >>>My revolutionary idea is to take the national Capitol stone by stone and move everything away from Foggy Bottom and move it to a central location like KC.

        I say we nuke the entire site from orbit.
        It IS the only way to be sure.

        • Iananna November 8, 2019 at 4:12 am #

          “They mostly come at night. Mostly.” – the other Newt.

  3. K-Dog November 4, 2019 at 10:44 am #

    The coup team. That is funny. What is more funny is how all this nonsense is backfiring on the entire political apparatus.

    A man who does not even pay his bills manages to become president and Potemkin efforts to impeach him become so ridiculous that the half of the country who imagined themselves Democrats realize now they have been played for years. Trump is going to get re-elected because the truth is he star of the plutocratic team. That is the one and only team that really controls America. Democrats and republicans are the shirts and skins of American Political Football. Divisions between parties are now imaginary. And the pussy grabbing guy who does what he wants is the perfect expression of American zeitgeist. A lot of people would like to be like Trump so afraid care they to even take a dump. For such getting rid of Trump is more scary than getting rid of him. People who actually believe in something can”t agree.

    • K-Dog November 4, 2019 at 10:45 am #

      For such getting rid of Trump is more scary than keeping him

      • Beryl of Oyl November 4, 2019 at 10:52 am #

        I was wondering what that meant. I thought it was me.

      • K-Dog November 4, 2019 at 10:54 am #

        I should not have made the original comment. I hit submit before I fixed my errors. But I’ll blame my itchy paw on Trump. If it were not for him I’d not have embarrassed myself. All his fault. I bet a lot of people feel like me. Trump is animated embarrassment and spreads it around like soft butter.

        • K-Dog November 4, 2019 at 11:00 am #

          And’hespreads it around like soft butter. On it goes.

        • Janos Skorenzy November 4, 2019 at 11:29 am #

          TDS. Medium stage. That you can joke about it doesn’t change it. People joke about their cancer too. Prognosis? Uncertain. Cure? Unlikely.

        • JohnAZ November 4, 2019 at 12:07 pm #

          You sound like the MSM. Any problem at all, sit around the editorial table and spin it to blame Trump. If Trump was as omnipresent to cause all the stuff that is blamed on him, he would not be President, he would be God.

          You show your susceptibility to media BS.

          • K-Dog November 4, 2019 at 1:05 pm #

            And you don’t know a joke when you see one.

  4. Robert White November 4, 2019 at 10:54 am #

    Wokesterism has landed on the shores of Clusterfuck Nation sporting a flag of The Duck’s face & wig as symbols of heraldry
    for a NYC Real Estate scion gone rogue with public debt.

    As Deutsche Bank stock tumbles into the netherworld of Chapter 11 bankruptcy we will evidence yet more of the wokesterist crowd clamouring for allegiance to their goals for control over America as The Duck & his progeny are outed for contempt over due process.

    Democrats have nothing to fear over the Republican hair on fire crowd of screaming greater fools that have never understood that The Duck is running out of time on the public dime.

    In less than one year we will evidence how truly corrupt The Duck’s gambit for control has become for the Western world & Banking System.

    America should just declare bankruptcy and get on with life in the third world banana republic that The Duck built for you, and your family.

    P.S. Typo in the first paragraph, Jim.

    RW

    • JohnAZ November 4, 2019 at 12:17 pm #

      Fifty plus percent of the Debt has nothing to do with Trump. Obama doubled the debt himself. Liberals spend and spend, look at what the 2020 candidates are proposing. Good lord, 52 trillion more for health care. Insanity.

      Quit using the Duck as your whipping boy, at least he is spending for what the government is for, defense.

      Trump reduced taxes which increased the debt. Definitely better than increasing taxes and immediately spending the money on boondoggles. The government does nothing to expand the economy, individuals do, so give the capital to the public not the nincompoops in DC.

      • Robert White November 4, 2019 at 12:41 pm #

        Obama did not address the debt & deficit. The Duck exacerbated the conundrum by the largesse of his egregious tax cut for Corporatists that never invested the tax cut into R&D or new hires for employment. The United States of America is wholly irresponsible when it comes to accounting & financial risk taking behaviour.

        I was raised by a Chartered Accountant that worked for Senior Rulings National Revenue CANADA in the Oil, Mines, & Resource Taxation Department.

        Screw the irresponsible & incompetent Government of the United States of America. Fuck them and their risky behaviour. I was NOT raised to be irresponsible like the United States of America when it comes to Finance.

        Sincerely,

        RW

        • JohnAZ November 4, 2019 at 12:54 pm #

          The Corporations spent their windfall, giving bonuses, raises, new hires, paying off debt, buying their stock back, what corporations do with windfalls.

          Much to your chagrin, obviously, is the fact that if the world’s economy tanks, the Phoenix rising from the ashes will be the USA.

          • Robert White November 4, 2019 at 1:05 pm #

            Chapter 11 will not yield anything but ashes. No Phoenix will manifest from nuclear winter.

            RW

        • shotho November 4, 2019 at 2:27 pm #

          RW, you are correct. There is enough treason to spread around concerning our national bankruptcy. Why concentrate on only one scoundrel or party? They are all culpable

          • Robert White November 4, 2019 at 2:57 pm #

            Elizabeth Warren has a solid plan compared to The Duck flying by the seat of his pants-on-fire lies, ‘fake news’, & impeachment.

            Mike Tyson famously said that ‘everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face’ but The Duck failed to learn that lesson in life thinking that he could never be punched in the face metaphorically by opposition punching him in the kisser for the KO round & title shot at helm.

            More than half of America wants to punch Trump in the kisser by now.

            Recession will doom his candidacy & incumbency status just as it did for Tricky Dick.

            RW

          • Nightowl November 4, 2019 at 4:01 pm #

            Elizabeth Warren, fake news in quotes (as though nearly every instance can’t be verified within a few hours), and talk of half of America wanting to punch Trump.

            McResistance is so punk.

          • benr November 6, 2019 at 2:42 pm #

            @rw

            A solid plan to dump 2 million jobs and cost 52 trillion over 10 years with ZERO way to fund it.

            What planet do you live on if you believe anything coming out of lil lizzies mouth?
            No answers just more BS give away programs and you consider yourself one of the smarter people in the room?

            With posts like that I would give your IQ to be around tepid tap water.

    • Epicur November 4, 2019 at 8:52 pm #

      “America should just declare bankruptcy and get on with life in the third world banana republic that The Duck built for you, and your family.”

      Your anger is misplaced.

      I have no great love for Mr. Trump (or any politician), but laying the present situation at his feet (or hanging that albatross around his neck, to mix metaphors) is nonsense. We have been economically doomed for a long, long time and there is no person living or to be born who can forestall that bankruptcy.

      Our present global “civilization” (and its population) is unsustainable, but it is the logical outgrowth of all that came before.

      “If you can keep your head while all about you…”

      • Robert White November 5, 2019 at 3:37 pm #

        The Duck prompted Fed Chair Powell to lower Central Bank rates thereby rendering the United States of America insolvent and prepped for Chapter 11. Powell, and Fed Governors knew all along that they should never, ever, cross the Rubicon into NIRP & ZIRP unknown sub-terrestrial netherworlds & Hegelian Death Spirals.

        I am keep my head about me when I state that the USA under The Duck’s mismanagement is wholly doomed to insolvency & market mayhem. The Corporate Farm insolvency has reached epic proportion with wholesale parallels to the 80’s USA Farm Crisis detailed throughout Finance Intel blogosphere.

        Screw The Duck, man.

        RW

        • Epicur November 5, 2019 at 4:04 pm #

          The US is trapped in a situation where the FED must expand debt super-exponentially or allow a collapse of the world economy, Trump or no Trump. Any attempt to stabilize debt will pull the plug.

          No politician, no bureaucrat, no member of the FED will pull the plug voluntarily. They will continue to stimulate economic activity to expand debt at a super-exponential rate (increase at an increasing rate) until some exogenous event causes the collapse.

          This seed was planted long ago, it is only now ripening.

          Go to the St Louis Fed FRED data, put TCMDO in the query box (Total Credit Market Debt Obligations), after that graph comes up you can add GDP to the graph and edit the graph by making the left axis logarithmic.

          The logarithmic curve that is concave UP (Debt) is increasing at a super-exponential rate for most of its history, a curve that is concave DOWN (GDP) is increasing at a decreasing rate. Any time the Debt curve backs off its increasing rate the GDP curve approaches collapse.

          The Fed either stimulates the economy or allows collapse, that is the dilemma Nixon faced in 1971, that is the dilemma we face now. Trump or no Trump.

          • Epicur November 5, 2019 at 4:10 pm #

            “No politician, no bureaucrat, no member of the FED will pull the plug voluntarily.”

            I should say, no ELECTED politician, or bureaucrat or FED member who depends on ELECTED politicians…

            After the emergency is formally declared TPTB will have to pull the plug, but there will be pain (and eventually blood).

          • Epicur November 5, 2019 at 4:20 pm #

            BTW, if you look at the debt curve you can see where Paul Krugman got his $16 trillion figure in 2008 when he said that was how much the FED should be stimulating the economy (Trump is a piker by comparison). The $16 trillion is, not co-incidentally, what it would have taken to put the the debt curve back on track.

          • Epicur November 5, 2019 at 4:32 pm #

            BTW2, I do agree that Trump is an idiot for thinking he has a solution to our problems, but he’s not special in that sense.

          • Robert White November 5, 2019 at 6:30 pm #

            I don’t disagree with anything you have said except the ‘Trump or no Trump’ part where I prefer the No Trump category, frankly.

            The world needs a stable currency which must be a basket of currencies given USA, and global Debt-to-GDP.

            Macroeconomics has not gone over to Behavioural Economics or Econophysics as of yet. When they smarten up as crypto-engineering slaps some sense into them en masse we will start to see quantum mechanics used. When that happens macroeconomics will undergo a sea change & paradigmatic shift towards a possible future, or probable thermonuclear hot kinetic conflagration.

            Entropy is enemy to Fed Fractional Reserve susperstructure.

            Thermodynamic efficiency of money & labour needs to be applied equitably. Current Finance inefficiency is thermodynamically off-equilibrium & pre-Lehman Moment market equilibrium.

            Denial of the fact that the USA has entered Quantitative Easing Four-QE-4 is evidenced in the overnight REPO liquidity conundrum & CB infusions of cash.

            The Duck is the guy that Powell is catering to. The monetary heroin junkies all follow Dr. Feelgood and his monetary heroin variable & fixed rate schemes.

            If The Duck had not pushed Powell into rate cuts the CB would still have a leg to stand on as opposed to not.

            P.S. You are one smart cookie on Finance.

            RW

          • hmuller November 6, 2019 at 1:44 am #

            Robert White, I agree the USA is well past the point of no return regarding debt collapse.

            However, I think “a basket of currencies” is just a basket of turds since other countries are in the same boat – inflating their fiat currencies. $17 trillion worth of negative yield govt. bonds in Europe and Japan are evidence of a terminally ill world financial system as the CB’s just print up the electronic money to buy the govt. debt..

            Precious metals and tangible property will weather the crash best. But who knows what you’ll be able to keep from thieving gunmen – to include government tax collectors. Nearly all politicians believe taking what is not theirs is the noblest activity on earth.

            I think crypto-currencies are today’s tulip mania. But at least when they crashed in price you could admire your tulips and smell them. How can you smell the vanished electrons of something which never existed except inside a computer?

            Yes, I’m too old to ‘understand cryptos’. When I hear people talk of how we’ll all get rich off something that requires no work – I think “scam”. We’ve lived in a grifter world so long, these people think that’s the way the universe naturally functions and always will.

        • devon44 November 7, 2019 at 1:09 pm #

          Ahh, I get it – you’ve come up with a new nickname for Trump – it’s the Duck!

          Herp Derp!!! Sooo clever! I bet you make some dank memes too, following Warren’s ‘meme-making instructions.’

          I don’t like Trump either, but you’re embarrassing yourself. Your TDS has taken your sense of humor, your sense of perspective, and your sense of decency.

      • Epicur November 6, 2019 at 10:36 am #

        @ Robert White November 5, 2019 at 6:30 pm #

        I think we would agree on much, but there is one thing I would like to clarify. I have no desire to defend Donald Trump. My point is that if you (or anyone) lets anger at the situation occupy your mind you are wasting mental energy and distracting yourself from the task at hand (survival). The same is said for “bargaining”, i.e. seeking solutions for the unsolvable.

        I know no one likes unsolicited advice, but I think you (or anyone) would do well to move on to acceptance and deal with your personal survival in a more focused manner.

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model

  5. lost-in-north-dakota November 4, 2019 at 10:57 am #

    Quoting Mr. K:The CIA and the FBI are in a fight for their lives now. The evidence shows pretty clearly that these rogue agencies conducted all the election “meddling” of 2016……

    My question, where can one read a summary of this version of events. Mr. K alludes to this part or that part, but someone please point me to an article that lays out the case against the FBI and CIA. Thanks.

    • Nightowl November 4, 2019 at 11:01 am #

      Use the Interwebz and figure it out. This “spoon feed” attitude is why half the public have the critical thinking skills of a bag of hair.

    • K-Dog November 4, 2019 at 11:05 am #

      The problem is that the FBI can suppress any article they want. Pass a homeless man on the street with his wobbly shopping cart of earthly possessions. Going against the FBI, that could be you. Without the shopping cart.

      • elysianfield November 4, 2019 at 1:22 pm #

        “Without the shopping cart.”

        Dog,
        …nor a window to throw it out of….

    • Beryl of Oyl November 4, 2019 at 11:22 am #

      You could go to a site called Conservative Treehouse and ask someone there for a link to a summary.

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