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As the first of 12 presidential debates blows in at mid-week like an evil patch of bad summer weather, twenty candidates vie for the position of Ole Massa on the Democratic Party plantation, and the air is gravid with bad vibes.
One highly-favored entry, Mayor Pete (Buttigieg) of charming South Bend, Indiana, stepped into (and tripped over) a big fresh patty of mule poop over the weekend at a “town hall” meeting that was called to address the June 16 shooting of one Eric Logan, 54, by a police officer dispatched to check out “a suspicious individual going through cars” at 2:30 a.m. The officer said the suspect came at him with a knife. The officer failed to switch on his body-cam, or so the police department said. Conclusions were jumped to. Then, in the wee hours just before Mayor Pete’s June 24 town hall, another black man was killed and 10 other people wounded in the shoot-up of a watering hole called Kelly’s Pub.
God knows what that was about — no police were involved in the shoot-up — but Mayor Pete caught the blame for it, of course, and the Sunday town hall meeting turned into a shriek-in by outraged “community” members. He was hardly allowed to admit his failures, issue apologies, and promise to do better. After the ordeal, Mayor Pete struggled to hold in his tears talking to the media. No doubt he will be pressured to keep ‘splainin’ these matters until either his campaign folds up its tent or he is anointed at the national convention in Milwaukee.
Leader-of-the-Pack (in the polls, anyway) Joe Biden stepped into it perhaps even deeper than Mayor Pete last week when he bragged about how well he was able to work with the old southern segregationist fossils, Herman Talmadge (GA) and James O. Eastland (MS), who were still around in the senate when “Uncle Joe” first came on the scene decades ago. “We didn’t agree on much,” the former Veep said, “but we got things done.” What’s more, the candidate averred, going perhaps a bridge too far, Senator Eastland “never called me ‘boy,’ he always called me ‘son,’” as if Mr. Biden might have been mistaken for a waiter in the senators’ dining room, with its old fashioned-ways and renowned bean soup.
Senator Cory Booker (NJ), a.k.a. “Spartacus,” aiming to “speak truth to power,” as gladiators are wont to do, jumped on the remarks as “hurtful and harmful to African Americans.” Mr. Biden, something of a political fossil himself now, shot back that Senator Booker should apologize to him for imputing he had racist proclivities. The rest of the pack joined the feeding frenzy. Bernie Sanders backed up Mr. Booker’s call for a Biden apology. Senator Elizabeth Warren (MA), criticizing her leading rival said, “I’m not here to criticize other Democrats, but it’s never okay to celebrate segregationists. Never.” Senator Kamala Harris piled on, calling Mr. Biden “misinformed and wrong.”
The week’s doings left the impression that the Democratic Party has turned into one big race hustle, with reparations for slavery as the centerpiece on the banquet table and recriminations for “white privilege” as the main course. Senator Warren added a gender hustle amuse bouche to the menu over the weekend with demands for “reparations for gay and lesbian couples” who had to file income taxes as individuals in the pre gay marriage days.
African Americans comprise about 12.3 percent of the US population and about 4.5 percent “identify as” LGBTetc. The Hispanic demographic is 18.1 percent and the Democratic Party has already got them covered with its official opposition to the immigration laws — though there is evidence that Hispanic US citizen-voters are not uniformly on-board with that pander.
Now the party will be hard put to come up with some goodies for the rest of the US population. But it appears that it has only punishments and persecutions in mind for them. This may be the way the world ends for the party first consolidated by Andy Jackson, the old white slavemaster rascal, whose sins were later redressed with the election of Barack Obama. Hustling their way to an election disaster in 2020, they play right into the small-ish hands of Mr. Trump, the Golden Golem of Greatness.
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“The week’s doings left the impression that the Democratic Party has turned into one big race hustle, with reparations for slavery as the centerpiece on the banquet table and recriminations for “white privilege” as the main course. ”
That hits the nail right on the head there, Jim. It is one big race hustle. The democrat presidential candidates have few real solutions to national institutional cascading failure. So, the ‘easy’ fix to get power is to play with turning the US into a giant version of Yugoslavia around 1989. Watch how well that will turn out. When you see private militias roaming the countryside with names like “Johnson’s Tigers” and setting up roadblocks under the name of the Provisional Government of So-and-So, you’ll know the country is fucked.
Do you do hint that the reaction will be localization and every little burg will have its own identity? How will they decide which side they are supporting? Each household or neighborhood may have its own identity.
Do I see a India Pakistan style separation coming?
The Constitutional Americans get all the flyover states and the Gimmes get all the cities?
Just wondering.
Red state / blue state seems to be the natural division line, for now at least, although big cities in red state land tend to go blue. Perhaps big cities won’t be so big anymore? Hard to say right now, but Balkanization of some sort certainly seems to be in the cards.
Well if we look at the last 40 some years, the divisions in serious civil disturbances have been divided on race lines, e.g.. the LA riots, the Ferguson, Missouri riots. I don’t know. Maybe a combination of political/race factions. Scratch may be right, I don’t know.
We have a large, complicated country, and I think if anything some serious devolution of power from DC will create a power vacuum which then (?) who steps in (?) in some places state governments and their populations are cohesive enough, or blocs of regional states, however– southern California? Chicagoland? Forget it. Mad Max, here we come.
I don’t share your dim assessment, which I view to be as much or more a right-wing fantasy than a left-wing one. That’s all I write about it, so I’m moving on to the debates.
I prepared for this week’s debates by performing two analyses of the Democratic candidates’ ideologies and they go from far left to center-left. There are hardly any moderates among the field. The first used DW-NOMINATE scores from Voteview, which has data on every candidate that served in Congress. According to this source, the most liberal candidates are Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, and Bernie Sanders, while the most moderate are Amy Klobuchar and Michael Bennet. The only problem is that the candidates who never served in Congress don’t have Voteview scores. On the other hand, OnTheIssues.org has scores for all the candidates except Wayne Messam, although it has a page for him. According to this source, Bernie Sanders is the most liberal, followed by Warren, Harris, and Joe Biden (!). The two most moderate candidates are Steve Bullock and John Hickenlooper. As for Pete Butigieg, he’s probably the most moderate candidate with significant support, but he’s pretty much in the center of the Democratic field.
All this talk about the debates reminds me it’s time to make a couple of drinking games. Wish me luck!
People should vote for the pet dog. It will do as much good. All we get is a bottom feeder no matter who wins. America is about competition not cooperation and no politician in America has what America needs to survive much less prosper.
All any Dem or Rep will do is turn up the heat!
The link was to my website which failed because my cable connection has been keeping me offline today. I typed something wrong on my phone. Big paws! This is it if my paws work right this time.
Yes distraction indeed!!! Let’s not discuss the actual causes of what ail us. Lets discuss pointless debate and drinking games. That will save the day!!!
@SSL
Might just as well “discuss pointless”, I reckon, for what “ails us” most assuredly, I contend, is terminal; that is to say, there is no cure, no solution.
By contrast, however, I would offer that the discussion to have might be something other than how to rearrange the deck chairs but more like, “who’s up for a silly game of staying alive through the collapse?” And who better to lead such a discussion is there than the world-made-by-hand man himself, James Howard Kunstler? Such a discussion might even run off a fair bit of the human detritus that draw sustenance from bigotry and hate.
I could be wrong all counts.
I don’t think you are wrong on all counts. It does indeed appear that our condition is terminal. I don’t know though that I am there yet when it comes to believing that there is no solution. Though some solutions may be so horrid as to render them as non-options. Honestly its all pretty scary when you think about collapse in general. Surely one can plan and prep and should.
But what guarantee is there of survival? Silly question I know since eventually the mortality rate is 100% but you know what I mean.
IMHO bigotry and hatred have existed in the human heart for as long as kindness and love have. You will find them all where you find people. The more important detail is how one copes with and manages them.
I find it odd there is no mention of Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii who also happens to be an active Lt. Col. in the Hawaii National Guard and who also served two tours of duty in Iraq and sits on The Armed Services Committee.
She will be in the first debate. She is a progressive and supports Medicare for All and stopping US regime change wars. Keep your eye on her tomorrow night.
I read today where illegal immigration is the number one issue for Americans of both parties. Too bad the Democrat candidates are on the wrong side of the issue as the word “sovereign” appears to be dirty to them.
But rest assured, if Google executives have their way there will be ZERO chance of another Trump election:
https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/24/insider-blows-whistle-exec-reveals-google-plan-to-prevent-trump-situation-in-2020-on-hidden-cam/
She is interesting. I’d like to hear more from her.
Hi Neon, thanks for the links there. I’m gonna check out the scores.
Much of not most of the democrat candidates offer unrealistic bandaids to the weight of systemic problems working people in particular face; Universal health care, universal college, a UBI, sundry social service programs– all of this can not be feasible with a military budget that is serving an Empire. So, something is gotta break– and with the power of the arms lobby in the US– I don’t see universal anything happening.
Allegedly, at the time he and The One were in the Senate, Biden and Barack the Magnificent ran one-two in the contest over who was the biggest lefty in the Senate, so him ranking fourth now shouldn’t be a giant surprise. (Biden’s leftism has to be the reason Obama picked as his running mate someone who made such stupidly racist comments as saying Obama was clean and articulate for a black man. Who the hell says something like that and isn’t instantly destroyed? Apparently Joseph Robinette Biden, the Homer Simpson of American politics.)
These Democratic bloaks will form a circular firing squad and get Trump re-elected. They are clueless and charismaless.
You are right, buddy. They have no charisma, that’s for sure. If you are gonna be a President of this complicated country, you better have charisma.
Yes Pete, it is the smart move to hand out bribes to those that will not work to get ahead for votes and the best place to get the loot to hand out is to steal it from those that have to most to be taken. What we whites have to do to save ourselves is become able to get the thieves to look to the Chinese and wealthy Indians to rob instead as they are amassing quite the piles themselves and accomplishing it all without any “privilege” at least so far.
Speaking of handing out bribes, Kamala Harris of the 3rd World State of Sanctuary California has declared that if elected President she will give all the teachers in the US a raise of $13,500/year!
Do we have $15,000??? $15,000 from Sen. Booker!!! $16k?? Anyone???
Why anyone would deliberately vote for such vile and corrupt slimeballs as this lot is beyond me (except for Gabbard).
You hit the nail right on the head abby. The answer to you wondering who would vote the scum in lies in the fact that so many are on the payroll that they have enough power to keep the same old same old in place. The corruption is almost total IMHO.
“Yes Pete, it is the smart move to hand out bribes to those that will not work to get ahead for votes and the best place to get the loot to hand out is to steal it from those that have to most to be taken. ”
yeah, that seems to be what is happening.
The balkanization process that you are referring to isn’t something the race hustling Democrats are instituting now because they have no other strategy for 2020. The balkanization process began when the immigration system changed in the 1960’s along with forced (by gunpoint) desegregation. That was the turning point that ensured America’s eventual demise. The Democrats are only making hay out of the failed system that both parties have allowed to exist. All politicians are responsible really. Who in politics is calling for a common identity and culture?
“Who in politics is calling for a common identity and culture?”
great point. Nobody. It’s a shopping mall with a flag. Who would wanna die for that?
Exactly Pete, they are calling for diversity because keeping us at each other’s throats keeps us away from going after theirs!
Very true! And now the brick and mortar mall has been replaced by a virtual mall and the flag has been banned because it offended 0.03% of the population.
Pete, a situation like you envision is unfolding in Oregon.
The Governor and Democrat legislative majority are trying to institute carbon taxes, cap & trade (whatever they call it) The GOP legislators have disappeared into the hills to deny them a quorum.
The governor has tasked the state troopers to round them up by force. One of the GOP legislators has made some strong statements about resisting arrest with lethal force. And now some good old local militia boys have decided to get into the act.
It’s all a comic opera until someone gets killed. See link
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-23/oregon-militias-threaten-violence-over-gop-carbon-credit-standoff-capitol-closed
Has the governor thought about sending state troopers to round up illegals?
Thanks for the belly laugh!
Not exactly. He’s putting together a separate unit of enforcement he refers to as Gestapo 3.0.
wow
ridiculous situation there. Some “democracy” at action! LOL round up the guys by force to do what.. I suppose they would be locked up somewhere until they ‘decided’ LOL to vote your way!
that’s fucked
No, they just weren’t going to VOTE, or even debate, which is their elected responsibility after all. They’re deserters.
Or they see the issue for what it is a waste of time and energy.
Regardless, they have simply abdicated their democratic responsibility.
In Oregon, the Republican Senators fled because they didn’t want to participate in passing a draconian carbon emissions bill. The Governor told the State Police to arrest them. One of the missing Senators tweeted that they better come heavily armed. Playing for the crowd? Sure – but the crowd in deep red Oregon loves it. And a Democrat rally for the Bill was cancelled in Salem due to threats by a militia.
The fact that JHK, and the fools that hang on his every word, seemingly find nothing to pick apart in the Republican Party establishment, indicates a very low bar has been set as to what passes for intellect.
If you feel that way about JHK and his troup of fools, I hear the Rachel Maddow site is welcoming new fans.
I’ll have to get back to you. I’m still trying to find the word “troup” so I may give you an adequate response.
OK, “troupe” then. Doesn’t it ever get tiresome for you to look down on others as intellectually inferior? I would guess it defines your persona in real life, if you have one?
He can’t do it every column, one; and two, where else do you read about how corrupt and foolish the Democrat party has become? These 24 morons have more in common with Eugene Debs than they do with JFK, yet we’re to believe the great food warrior would’ve gone along with socialism and dragging down America for political gain. Is JHK supposed to ignore this and club Trump and the cowardly weasel, Paul Ryan, twice a week so your beliefs are affirmed?
Sorry g-t-h, but I do believe that the majority of us do in fact understand that the republicans are totally useless as well, hence the reason that Donald Trump was able to steamroll them all and get the republican nod. Trump did not defeat Hillary Clinton because he was a republican or because he was good, but because she was so damned bad and even evil! The fact that the democratic party has been hijacked by radical progressives who tend towards violence is an issue that may very well result in more republican victories, but that is no indicator that anyone is really happy with the party. They party people are all sellout garbage, both sides.
I don’t think anyone will argue that Republicans are bad the argument and reality is that Democrats are worse in every measurable metric.
Substitute ‘class’ for ‘race’ and practically the same.
White evangelicals are the core Trump base much like black churchgoers (many evangelical but not all) are the same for the DNC.
If us Berniecrats and DSA types can convince black churchgoers to give Bernie the nomination he was robbed of in 2016, we might stave off the collapse of the Republic long enough to fix a few things.
If not, look at the Oregon state house for a preview of coming attractions.
One more for the Dems
AOC was offered a trip to see the concentration camps in Europe by a holocaust survivor. She declined stating it was a right wing stunt.
Ha, somebody has finally called her bluff on her stupidity. Hopefully someone in the media will place her on the ash heap of dumb politicians and quit covering everything she blathers.
Maybe she should visit the border before she makes claims about something she has never seen.
She’s well meaning, but hopelessly naive. A young idealist who’s swum out into the deep water, only to find out that there’s man-eating things out there swimming with her.
NO WELL MEANING.
Sorry.
One more Marxist monster who loves capitalism. oxy moron.
and a moron.
She actually is a plant. She was hired by the DNC after answering a casting call. Her mission is very specific. Apparently its working.
@SSL
A domestic Greta, as it were, eh?
Well, hopefully, we can trust that she is at least not a crisis actor.
…or is she?
That’s a good question. I wish I had the answer. Some people believe she is a manufactured character altogether being played by Allison Williams. Apparently makeup, contacts, and a bit of cgi makes it all possible. Seems far-fetched but they say reality is stranger than fiction.
I don’t care who claims that this has been debunked because this is how the system is worked:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h5iv6sECGU
Far too many people cannot see the truth when it is right in front of their faces, and that is a damned shame, but for those who can, well, there it is.
Amazing how there always seems to be someone behind the curtains pulling the strings. And so it’s all theatrics to some degree or another. It seems like these special interest groups have done an amazing job at stacking Congress because everybody knows Congress don’t represent us. Whether they call themselves Progressives or Conservatives doesn’t really matter. The Truth is not in them.
@WB
I’ve not seen that before.
I love! it. It’s like, of course, a very shrewd variation on The Theme. She is no more disingenuous and controlled than any of her ilk. These folks are just new wave, completely cynical, and brutally efficient. It sounds perfect to me for a bullshit, rigged, and evil system. You go, girl!
To comment on your reference to the fantasy known as “truth”, oh, please.
My impression, too, is that AOC is some kind of Democrat Party
limited-hangout plant.
Why would you insult good plants everywhere?
If AOC is a plant I suspect poison oak or poison ivy possibly hemlock?
She sounds like prime material for Pelosi’s job LOL!!
She has had too many moments of hypocricy to be well-meaning.
And I have not seen a politician as utterly imbicilic since George W. or Maxine Waters.
One thing that I think that really muddies the waters in that whole discussion is that when many people hear “concentration camp” with all its Holocaust-laden connotations, they think “extermination camp” along the lines of Auschwitz or Treblinka. You could conceivably call any mass-detention facility a “concentration camp”, but I don’t think it serves the conversation at all well to conjure up images of the Third Reich’s extermination-factories in central and eastern Europe.
The point is though, it would be nice if she would stop mouthing off things she hears and does her own investigation before she shoots off her mouth. The Media are just waiting with baited breath. That can be good or bad.
With those big, Bambi eyes and that startled expression on her face, AOC looks like a hotel masseuse confronted by a naked and aroused Al Gore. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/24/us/politics/24gore.html
Depends on whose agenda is in play. Obviously it does serve those who want the gravy train to keep on flowing. But no, it doesn’t serve Civil Society either here or in Europe.
That is the entire point. She is being coached to use this language. Her defense line that concentration camps don’t equal extermination camps was also pre-construed, and the idea that concentration camps are the same as the MEX border camps is absurd. There is no mass starvation or death occuring, no forced labor, no sub-human living conditions.
People are dumb though; many are even dumber than AOC.
“Maybe she should visit the border before she makes claims about something she has never seen.”
Now who does that remind us of?
She is great – really scares the mouth-breathers. She wants your money, John. All of it. To give to poor families. So they can do nothing all day but live of your $$
Sounds like heaven to me.
You meant to say poor, non-citizen families.
People like you are the problem, Def. You need to be in chain gang building the Wall. Cool Hand Def! And you’re already a Con….
They are concentration camps by the very definition of the term. She did not specify Nazi concentration camps, a distinction feeble minds are apparently unable to grasp.
The feeble mind is yours for leaving off the rest of the comment as in “never again” a direct reference to NAZI style Concentration camps.
The direct quote!
“I want to talk to the people that are concerned enough with humanity to say that ‘never again’ means something,” Ocasio-Cortez continued in her live video. “The fact that concentration camps are now an institutionalized practice in the ‘Home of the Free’ is extraordinarily disturbing and we need to do something about it.”
So what was that about feeble minds the gonetohell?
Language and context matters when on the world stage on a forum such as this meh but in the big leagues it matters.
She is wrong on this comment and well pretty much everything else that slithers out of her greasy gob.
benr, watch the video linked below and then come back & tell me you ‘approve’ of these institutions.
Your last sentence as pertains to Ms. AOC quite adequately identifies yourself as the slithering sort.
The very fact that AOC has specified concentration camps that have existed in the US would indicate she’s not referencing Nazi camps. She is likely referencing the internment camps for American citizens that happened to be of Japanese descent during WWII.
Yes my feeble minded friend, those were concentration camps by the very definition.
Talk about WEASEL wording.
You just engaged in it and expect to get a pass!
Hell no she said it “NEVER AGAIN” we all know what she was referencing!
So what is it are you a liar, ignorant or just an idiot?
She is a dyed in the wool rabble rousing POS trying to score political points by selling out her country much like half the Democrat scum in power now always do.
How about instead she visit some of the sites and help get funding or better yet push for comprehensive immigration reforms to stop this madness now! No instead she shoots off her mouth showing what a fool she is…again.
The Democrats promised Ronald in 1986 if he signed an amNASTY bill they would fix the busted immigration system!
Instead they kicked the can down the road and the spineless Republicans and worsewe the people have allowed this travesty to continue for thirty fricking years.
Maybe her ‘concentration camp’ remark was not as far off the mark as everyone has been quick to remark. Remember, she didn’t refer to the death camps so technically she was correct, though it was naive to think she wouldn’t get the reaction she did.
Here’s Shep Smith, hardly a ‘rabid left-wing extremist prone to violence’ on the topic:
https://youtu.be/retm4NzVJ9k
See my post above you are smarter then this we both know it so why pretend it was anything but her trying to make political hay and being called on it.
No, benr. I trust you’ve caught up with today’s reports from the Border. It’s a truly shitty clusterfuck-mess and the administration should be ashamed – oh, wait…it is. It just APPROVED a further $4.5 BILLION of YOUR hard earned federal tax dollars to papering over the cracks. What a fecking joke. How can YOU be so blind to reality?
Benr – your ‘post above’ was unsurprising in its predictability – your standard impotent rage against objective reality, triggered into spewing shite without any sense aside from your ingrained predispositions – prejudices in fact.
AOC is everything you loathe:
1 socialist (and Democrat, though that doesn’t matter as much as the first)
2 in a position of public prominence
3 articulate
(Note, her brown skin & vagina are AGAIN not reasons in my argument for your antipathy.)
Majella
Socialism is a disease like an STD which I suspect most people who believe in it must have tertiary syphilis. How else could someone be so brain damaged as to believe a country of 430 million legal and upwards of 20-50 million illegal aliens could provide so many goodies and not go bankrupt?
You’re right how ever I loath her politics and well yours.
In fact I abhor most Democrats politics, the virtue signaling and all the assorted bullshit they put forward.
Its the ideas or should I say lack of coherent ones I abhor.
It’s the finger pointing and lecturing while complaining $172,000 is not enough money.
As far as articulate that is a laugh.
She has overtones of Kardashian up speak mixed with girl from around the way. Not a good sound rather grating on the ears. I guess compared to other like um you know like millennial valley girls wanna be’s she might be like um well you know like smart. For sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sMZNcxdoCA
Watch the entire clip your hero is a dunce and the host annoying as he is, spot on with his assessment.
She doesn’t stutter non-stop like Obama without his precious teleprompter I will give her that but she still says moronic over the top things and people applaud her for it.
I just want to pat her on the head and give her an alfalfa cookie and send her out to pasture where all the good donkeys belong.
Here is an idea I know it’s tough for you to understand the reality that this is a mess thirty years in the making but it’s not this administration that should be ashamed. NO it’s people like you all mouth and no action. I have been voting for people who talk about fixing the immigration system and so far well even the side I support has failed spineless bastards.
I blame people like you directly for giving DEMOCRATS COVER to keep on allowing unchecked illegal immigration and the endless free goodies that attract them!
Typical Democrat nonsense never let a crisis go to waste!
Hurray overwhelm the system force change hip hip hurray!
Right out of that old play book Cloward and Piven STYLE YEA BOYEE! My my Saul Alinsky would be so proud Marxist clap trap.
Just another exercise in PROBLEM, REACTION, and SOLUTION except the only solution is ever more government, more money and of course more Donkeys in power. Yet everywhere these idiots go misery follows higher crime, busted up streets, and everything falling apart. So tell me who are the real idiots? Yea the people who always tell us how smart they think they are when talking to we the working class little people. You know the ones that actually fix stuff for a living.
Still raging impotently, benr.
Raging hell no its up lifting to whittle away at your false narratives with caustic truth.
I can sense your utter frustration and revel in your non-response.
How do I know this???
You have not responded with a mountain of cretinous bullshit.
Huzzah.
🙂
Sounds like the perfect recipe for another four years of Trump’s shenanigans. Perhaps if he’d just jettison Pompeo and Bolton we’d even survive that, although the devil knows all too well that there’s a deep cesspool of replacements from whence those two crawled out of. Perhaps the better question still is whether the R’s will continue to be content to go along for the ride in the Trump clown car, or will one of them – just one! – somehow summon up the gravitas to challenge him and try to do something truly audacious, like say, actually govern the place in a semi-adult manner? Indeed, is such a thing even possible any more in country that’s wandered so far off the beaten track that it might well be impossible to ever find our way back now? Either way, the old song lyric still applies: Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am, stuck in the middle with… Remains to be seen I guess, that last part.
Another thing that makes a long-term string of defeats for the Democratic Party a strong possibility, is the fact that the Clinton-supporter/ Sanders-supporter rift of 2016 all but caused the party to split into two separate parties that virulently loathe one another. One Christian teaching that manages to be universally true is that a house divided against itself cannot stand.
Great points!
Hopefully!
And good riddance to it the Democrat party as it stands now is a dinosaur the sooner it ends up as history the better for America.
With GGG’s low poll numbers, his flip flopping on “bomb Iran, no wait, cancel that bombing run,” his “deport millions, no wait, let’s do that later,” his “I’m building a great wall, OK and Mexico, I guarantee, is going to pay for it.” His, “Kim Jong Un and I are in love, OK, no really, we are in love, OK?” I don’t see how he can possibly win.
He hasn’t delivered on stopping illegal immigration, quite the contrary, with record crossings. His tax “reform” for the wealthy was a big flop with the base and everyone else save the rich. There are no new factories, the tariffs are hurting his base and the Repubs have gone out of their way to antagonize women with there pro-life antics. Women continue to come out of the woodwork talking about his various sexual advances. Throw in that the farms are being decimated and his re-election simply does not seem to be in the cards.
I know “it’s the economy stupid,” but most people have figured out that the stock market is a rich person’s scam and low unemployment equates to UNDER employment unless you are a 10%’er. The economy (stupid) didn’t save the Repubs in the midterms and I don’t believe it will save them and Trump in 2020. Too many people, save the delusional rube base, are tired of the obvious BS, including MAGA and Keep America Great. Ha!
No doubt, he will carry the reddest of the red states and other Rube enclaves, but it simply is not enough to win the electoral college. Of course, he will lose the popular vote by many millions, even Her Royal Highness Hillary kicked the shit out of him there! Can Russia et al pull another rabbit out of the hat via social media? Very doubtful, everybody knows that trick now.
It doesn’t matter who the hapless, corrupt Dems run, anyone shy of Hillary could beat him. He’s no longer an “outsider,” his schtick is getting very stale, a tiresome repeat of 2016. He’s toast, but I may be wrong.
Yep, he’s in his late waffling phase now. Never a good look for a pol whose go-to negotiation method is the ultimatum. People know they can call his bluff now, which makes him all the more unpredictable and potentially dangerous. Meanwhile, the feckless Dems are still pulling up the rear just a whisker behind, with no coherent plan for anything at all, other than general hysteria.
As we all clearly learned on election night 2016, the ONLY “poll” that counts is when the citizens actually vote!!
I still watch The Young Turks election night coverage as they are popping champagne at the beginning because all the polls say Hillary is a sure thing then things slowly go south and their heads all explode.
Cenk and Co. should have known the Hillary jig was up when the fireworks were cancelled. Ha!!!!!
The best was sending Pedo Podesta out to give her speech.
She couldn’t even do it herself.
Is your impression that our mcVotes are accurately counted?
I have a bridge for sale, right this way…
Everyone is heading to their fringe corners, because this whole farce is just another WWE/WWF vote joke to keep the population placated. Meanwhile, the corporations run the show for their officers and wealthy stock holders, and the US is headed off to another war. It’s a joke, for sure.
And exactly half the states are right to work states, with Tenn workers so dumb they voted down certification at a VW plant, what 3 times?, when VW would actually prefer a union plant for management ease. Let’s take that $2 lower per hour wage “’cause we don’t need no stinkin union tellin’ us what wages and benefits we might git”. And the glorious USMCA or CUSMA ensures Mexican auto workers still make 1/3 of what north American auto workers earn. The corporations have stolen the store and their unrelenting propaganda has convinced people it’s for their own good.
Funny, there’s never enough money for affordable health care, pensions, and decent education, but the military has unending support and growing funds. In the next while we’ll see unrest handled with automatic weapons and modern version Pinkertons with batons and Glocks. The Gubmit will still try and overthrow other countries chosen Govt structures and say it’s for their own good. The Christian fringe will decry Muslims and white shooting massacres will continue with side orders of addictions and suicide. hey, 53% of the US public believes in Creationism or Intelligent Design. 41% of US citizens believe that people co-existed with dinosaurs. can’t fix stupid.
Yep, and to add insult to injury, television entertainment will just keep getting increasingly insipid, unoriginal, and boring. The only TV I watch anymore is retro-TV. (Sorry, that was a bit of a tangent, wasn’t it?)
You can’t even trust books anymore — Amazon.com is apparently filled with counterfeit books.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/23/technology/amazon-domination-bookstore-books.html
Yes God forbid Americans believe in anything other than science and government right. Science and government have solved all of our problems. Why the constant derision for a section of the population that has absolutely no power? Too afraid to lay the blame where it belongs? The left is as stupid as the right.
But no Muslim or Black massacres? You suck, Paul.
Oh they happen they just won’t report on it.
Jihadwatch Robert Spencer highlights all the Islamic inspired mayhem since 9-11-2001.
People like to forget about the constant massacres in Africa!
As to your wrestling analogy, it’s all “a work”, eh?
Nope you can’t fix stupid as evident by your insipid posts.
It’s laughable that you “think” you are smarter than any of the people you lampooned.
Most Republicans are spineless. Certainly there are none that I am aware of that want to even come near to embracing Trump’s base. After all, there won’t be any rewards for attempting to represent White America. As it is, Trump is too scared to even mention that we exist. So the only parties with representation are indeed the Elite (who will support any war you give them) and all of the minorities. In other words, nothing changes and the decline accelerates.
SSL
I think it’s pretty obvious that Trump is not a Republican – not even a RINO. He’s always been a liberal-minded sort of person – check videos of interviews in the 80s & 90s when he was coherent and expressed himself in actual sentences.
Now, he’s just a rabid power-grasping fool – his narcissism is full-blown and has taken over his few remaining grey cells.
He’s insecure because, I postulate, he now realizes that his ‘life’ didn’t turn out as he had expected. He CLAIMS all the victories & successes in business ventures, which we all know is total fantasy. Somewhere deep inside, he knows it too.
In any event, it turns out he’s just NOT the White Supremacist you voted for – sorry. Fortunately, there’s no one offering themselves with an agenda that would satisfy you & BFF Janos, and I/m confident in predicting that there never will be.
He’s a total failure, topped off by becoming President of the US.
Brh
At least Maj finally went back and looked into who Trump really is.
The coginitve dissonance kicks back in in paragraph 2, but hey ho …
Seriously? You thought we voted for him because we believed he was a White Supremacist? LOL, that’s really funny but yeah I’m pretty sure you are high. Never has DJT remotely appeared racist. That is a PC deception but a very popular one no less that is chirped everyday.
You shouldn’t be confident of anything. Things can change. And quickly. It would appear we are not fully represented by any candidate now and no doubt that brings you joy. But don’t assume things will always be this way.
SSL
But only the other day, you were saying ‘there’d never be another Republican in the White House’ (or words to that effect).
You change your tune as often as your underpants.
Nightowl
My ‘cognitive dissonance’?
You just pull things right out of your arse:
“She is being coached to use this language. Her defense line that concentration camps don’t equal extermination camps was also pre-construed, and the idea that concentration camps are the same as the MEX border camps is absurd. There is no mass starvation or death occuring, no forced labor, no sub-human living conditions.”
You start with a conspiracy theory (“She is being coached…” by whom? George Soros?), then go on to make the very point so many others have in her defense. Does ‘pre-construed’ even have an actual meaning? I can’t find it anywhere, please enlighten me.
Except for the ‘no forced labor’, the rest describes these federally-authorized hell-holes pretty darned well.
Yes, your cognitive dissonance.
RE: point two, it is my opinion that she is mouthing talking points provided to her.
In school, many Americans are not taught that there is a difference between a death camp and concentration camp, particularly when the context is WWII. But the funny part is, as mentioned, there is little difference with regard to the NSDAP camps. Mass starvation and death were commonplace in work camps. The entire point was to work them until collapse.
Given how often the clown corporate media and select politicians have compared Trump to Hitler, this would appear to be just another manifestation of the same mental illness (kidding, ofc, it is a strategy) we have observed for the past 2-3 years.
I await your report on Obama’s “federally authorized hell holes.” When do you make your personal trip to see if reality matches your claim? Maybe they really are just like Nazi concentration camps! Get to it!
Nightowl
So YOUR cognitive dissonance remains unrecognised. Surprise.
I can’t speak for the US education system (I wasn’t subjected to it) but your point is lost in any case. Anything greater than high school plus reading/life experience would surely get even a public-school-drone to an understanding of the obvious nuances involved.
Reports today – such as the conversation between a Federal judge and some over-worked, under-paid, under-staffed and completely-thrown-under-the-bus functionary who could NOT answer a simple question was the mean raw face of your nasty ‘gulag’-operation on the border.
Is there not an ounce of milk of human kindness in you? These are fecking children – not responsible for their plight and forcibly separated from their parent(s). Who’s responsible for the outcome? The US Government and the likes if you who are willing to accept it because it fits your perverted narrative.
Bah!
CD does not apply to me in this matter. I am not the one ranting about detention centers being “concentration camps” while putting forth no evidence whatsoever that the two are similar.
You also have a habit of dodging every point you are exposed on. What is my perverted narrative? That rule of law should be enforced? I am an immigrant myself. I left the US for Germany. Had I not followed the rules, I would have been sent packing.
Have you read many of the comments here? Cuz I’m guessing if you had, you’d realize the Trump clown car has clowns hanging from it’s undercarriage.
Senator Warren added a gender hustle amuse bouche to the menu over the weekend with a demand for “reparations for gay and lesbian couples” who had to file income taxes as individuals in the pre gay marriage days.
Wow, even I think that’s laying it on just a little bit thick. :-/
Each Dem candidate is going to add on more giveaways. They do not have anything else to offers. It is already started.
Brought to you by the party that lives in debt.
Just like the other party.
Hmmm, the problem might not be the parties. Maybe these promise alls are part of the Deep State and voting Dem vs, GOP may not make any difference.
Trump vs. Deep State in 2020. And I would listen to arguments that that confrontation may not make any difference.
If so, the path is downward either way.
Of course, you’re right. What gets me is how anybody can think that going to war with Iran is the solution.
The Dems screwed themselves when they abandoned the working class for Wall street and there’s no coming back from that error; they are ineradicably tied to that money. They have nothing to offer; their only game is pitting groups against one another. Their desperation is such that they are promoting a man with seriously questionable interactions with girls and women.
Politics has descended to such a level that it is totally meaningless. Even the people being pandered to by the Dems see it for what it is.
Because “War Presidents” get re-elected. Hail Caesar.
Questionable? He is groping kids on film.
Nightowl, you don’t get to sit at my table. Until you learn to be respectful and have something intelligent to say without trying to humiliate others, I’m not interested.
He groped kids on film. No amount of wordplay can hide it.
Nightowl, you don’t get to sit at my table. Until you learn to be respectful and have something intelligent to say without trying to humiliate others, I’m not interested
All of their goody promises are lies. They know it and we know it.
Seems like the only giveaways acceptable to the idiot class are tax breaks to corporations and one-tenth of one percent of the U.S. population.The Wall Street giveaway to bail-out an economic collapse-caused by Wall Street-makes sense to the idiot contingent as well.
The lies that got us into Iraq, and its subsequent trillions in costs and giveaways to the defense industry, is also perfectly acceptable. It’s just when giveaways go to helping our struggling middle class that offense is taken. Heaven forbid a poor kid goes to public college for free. Or that fewer die or go bankrupt because of medicare-for-all.
This country is going to fail. The uneducated and ill-informed will continue tuning in to FOX as substitute for a thought process.
What do you think of Trannies reading to kids in libraries? The Elite are deadly serious about this. In Spokane, a couple of hundred mothers showed up to protest one such reading – the Police had snipers out to insure that the reading went on. America must be queered one way or another.
Trouble is there just ain’t enough queers to go around. At just a few % of the population they’re spead pretty thin. Trannies reading to inpressional little kids here, homosexual gangs trafficing young migrants across the border there, it takes people to get this important work done.
Brh
Divide et impera is working fantastically well- for the Few.
This is the best American politics can give us now. Both parties full of absolute crap humans. Decline is the only path forward.
On the plus side, it’s definitely making for great entertainment on the way down. Maybe that’s even their true intent?
Bread and circuses??!
Yes, any real change requires an end to the current system. The solution lies outside of the established political process.
@SSL
Ya, probably waaayyyyy “outside”
Kathy McMahon, a very long time ago, described and coined a term for the attitude of those who have recognized the symptoms of this collapsing industrial human society but who refuse to accept it. She described these people as suffering from Panglossian Disorder.
In the study of population dynamics it’s called a die-off. It’s really quite thoroughly described and is relatively easy to predict with some degree of probability.
“Say goodnight, Gracie.”
I could be wrong.
Hmmm Kathy McMahon. Ok, thank you. Though I am not ready to say good night you certainly could be right. We will get there one way or the other. I for one hope you are very wrong. And you know its nothing personal at all. Hey, maybe that’s that disorder talking?
@SSL
“disorder talking”? I don’t think so.
What I’ve seen over the last 18+ years of doomerism seems to suggest that there is a genetic predisposition of the human population that prevents somewhere in the area of 90% of all people from visualizing their near-imminent demise even when it is obvious.
Looking at the trajectories of all the global systems, natural and abstract, the numbers add up to about a 7 billion soul die-off. There is no model that gets us out of this intact. So, what is the subject of conversation? Economic recovery. Cuz the lie stalls the panic.
It’s interesting to me that the greatest exponents of individual freedom over and against an oppressive central government were Democrats: Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson and Grover Cleveland. Sad to think about where the party is now.
And on the Republican side . . .
well let’s just say that
Donald Trump ain’t no Abraham Lincoln either.
When I saw that Tulsi Gabbard was slated to be on stage two days from now I made a note to tune in myself. I do not recall if Booker T. Cory is on the same night, but I hope that he is not. He is a true example of Jersey Dirt at its worst. I cannot imagine the Jackass Party pulling anything like a real movement together for next Fall, though they are perfectly capable of doing their best Oliver & Hardy imitation. My most rabid liberal friends are foaming at the mouth for Joe Biden to get the call as “only Joe can defeat the evil hairy monster Trump”, so they say. Most of these demented fools should switch their drink of choice from Cool Aid to Hemlock and put themselves out of their misery after four years of “Trump must go, Trump must go mania” drove out the last vestiges of real thought from their tiny minds.
One thing is sure and that is that we can no longer rule ourselves, and if we cannot rule ourselves, how can we expect to rule others?
The last sentence is very well stated.
Well stated.
t. He is a true example of Jersey Dirt at its worst.
–wow. what a sentence.
An updated and polished version of Sharp James. And just wait until Ras Baraka comes of age and we are all seriously screwed. No one from New Jersey should even be allowed to take part in national politics and if you doubt my opinion, try Googling “Soprano State”.
Whitman, the republican governor, okayed legal infanticide, way back in the 90s or 00s.
And I do believe that she was the first to raid the pension funds.
T Y
I thought New Jersey was “The Garden State”??
It was but has degraded and is now the “Soprano State”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP6ZP0DM1po
Walter, we spent a whole summer (1989) working in a bakery in Villas, Cape May.
We lived for part of that time in Sea Isle City before moving south to Cold Harbour, and we would drive to work through the sunrise, headed south on the coastal highway. Very beautiful, great surf and lovely locals. Never got to North Jersey, though…
So, based on my experience (younger and not politically engaged), Noo Joizy IS a Garden State. As you can imagine, Boardwalk Empire was a ‘must see’ show, even though we only went to AC once, for a day – the Trump Taj Mahal was still under construction if I recall.
The state has many, many parts that are indeed a garden and a beautiful national treasure, but the political “leadership” is corruption incarnate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6iIeVgI00M
The north and central western part of the state is more like Pennsylvania than NJ, and the Pine Barrens are pretty cool too, unless you do not prefer sand over soil. Just as how in New York state the rolling gorgeous farmlands go on for mile after beautiful mile and the cities are dumps, so too is New Jersey. Perhaps that can be stated about many places, no?
Yeah, Walter. Loved that summer. Cape May township us a delicious slice of old-time America…or at least it was 30 years ago. We started work at the bakery on July 2nd 1989 – 30 years ago next Tuesday. Wow…aging sucks.
Yeah…”pushing up daisies” is a State-sponsored occupation for stool pigeons et al.
I just can’t get past the fixation on Joe Biden as the antidote to Trump but hey whatever. That last sentence is very good Walter. Government actually starts within the heart of the individual, then extends to the home and then out from there. Anything goes and nothing matters all the way down to the individual now. So yes, governing and government itself are impossible tasks because the individual is now ungovernable.
Looks like you’re not going to get your wish Walter:
DNC debate candidates for June 26:
Cory Booker
Bill de Blasio
Julián Castro
John Delaney
Tulsi Gabbard
Jay Inslee
Amy Klobuchar
Beto O’Rourke
Tim Ryan
Elizabeth Warren
Maybe de Blasio will get Booker stoned before the gig and all will work out in the end.
Cory Booker – the self described Black Spartacus of American politics. Maybe he and Buttigiggly can make some gladiator home movies.
Here’s hoping!
I’m really keen to see if Tulsi is given a fair shake here…
Were these the lowest 10 of the 20 selected? In ascending order?
i am unaware of how the choices were made, but I too am anxious to see Tulsi in action. So far she is the first possible I have seen in decades that I am seriously impressed with.
I like her, too. But she has no chance. Her personality is not strong enough, and though she is attractive, she doesn’t project authority.
She will get devoured in our TV-based process. Superficial aspects account for the majority of votes. Dems will likely choose Warren. She is tall, blonde, projects confindence, and can speak well enough to avoid gaffes 80% of the time.
Problem is, vs. Trumpi, Liewatha has already lost.
I do believe that many Americans want to be able to say that they are on “the winning” side and make choices based upon the probability of a candidate or a sports team to be able to “win”. I have a long history of choosing who I thought was the most competent individual and so I am usually not on the winning side. I do however, sleep like the dead because my conscience is clear and I will continue to do so.
Anyone hear from Howard Schulz or ,shudder, HRC recently.
HRC will be drafted to run again at the last minute,
right after Biden self-immolates.
Don’t count Breadline Bernie out.
He’s been fighting the good fight since like 1931,
Breadline has staying power if nothing else
Brh
He has no chance. I think they will bet on Warren, but her claims to NA ancestry, and the fact that she grifted off them, have already torpedoed her chances vs. Trumpi.
She’s a posterchild politician. Says the right stuff, presents the right image, and is a total fraud behind the scenes. Thing is, people know about the fraud now.
I’d like to see how her Schtik works out when negotiating with hard men like Young Kim, Putin, and Premier Xi. I’d vote for her just for that.
Brh
She can threaten to hang their scalps in her casino.
@CMC
Assuming that the world is not well into the die-off by the time this insanity plays, my current guess would be that the puppeteers will be looking to extend their insanity story line rather than repeat parts of it.
Biden is an absolute ROFLMFAO, bat shit crazy, first order pedo, perfect for bringing down the tents on this circus.
“It’s all bullshit, folks, and it’s bad for ya!”
“Go home.” [Tracy Ulman]
I could be wrong.
The Democrat wannabe leadership candidates are all just making a show of their less than honest runs at the presidency. All are well aware of the incumbent status of the last term majority win for the Republicans. No amount of political grandstanding or histrionics emanating out of the Democrat camp will suffice to undermine the Republican incumbency unless they can dig up dirt, or urine, on The Duck.
The Duck knows that corporate America & Wall Street all fully support his P.T. Barnum II negotiation style & tactics. The Duck is a full fledged coward like bully that has an entranced following of Jonestown Kool-Aid drinkers that will follow him over the cliff like Lemmings all hell bent for Kentucky.
Upsetting the mass delusions of a captured American public by entertaining the mass delusions of Democrats and their posturing wannabe Zombified aged old decrepit frontrunners is the only way to proceed into 2020 knowing that the elections are always rigged for incumbency unless the resident dictator fucks up & commits a dastardly criminal act.
The Duck’s personality is rolling probable cause for impeachment but the spineless deep state ain’t actually that deep after all.
RW
So personality now falls into the range of things that can get one impeached from the presidency? Is this finally the full union of Hollywood and DC?
Psychopathy with respect to personality, and relational disposition towards others, is what genocided the poor sots in Jonestown. If The Duck & The Wonderful World of Disney combine forces to disseminate Jonestown Kool-Aid en masse I’m pretty sure the CIA would go along with it as long as they get appropriate recompence before hand. Heck, pre-crime profiling is empirically based today and more accurate than not given BIG data mining & advances in Experimental Psychology with regard to Criminal Psychology and propensity based upon known past behaviour.
The probability that the system is rigged is p = 1.
The probability that I am wrong about personality & psychopathy is p = 0.
Empiricism has its benefits.
RW
You are definitely
a legend
in
your
own
mind.
I am far greater than most legends but I’m not one to brag about my life as my King James Bible instructs one to be humble and not prone to braggadocio. Moreover, there is pride before the fall so I’ll pass on the pride thingy too.
Suffice to say that whilst I have a healthy perspective on myself & behaviour it is due to experience. When I was younger I knew that I was going to become an excellent drummer but my older brother thought otherwise when he heard me playing drums one day and decided to hurl the upright Hoover vacuum cleaner down a flight of stairs straight into my face & drum kit as a positive refinforcer for me to play better. When I saw that Hoover upright vacuum cleaner hurling towards my drum kit & face/upper body I realized in a split second before it hit that my brother was wrong and I was most assuredly well on my way to making him eat his words of discouragement eventually.
Within about two years from that day my brother was choking on crow, and I never looked back again on anything anyone ever said or did with respect to discouraging me at anything I put my hand to.
My mother was really my only fan all along so she gets credit where due.
RW
So then the system is definitely rigged and you are right about personality and psychopathy?
If Google has its way, it will literally be impossible for Trump to win:
https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/24/insider-blows-whistle-exec-reveals-google-plan-to-prevent-trump-situation-in-2020-on-hidden-cam/
“Don’t be evil” eh??!
What is it with
you Canadians
with your
“Eh”
bullshit???
Ha!! I am NOT Canadian!
Born and raised in Ohio and now I am in Los Angeles.
Only time I was in Canada was as a child when we took a summer trip to Niagra Falls.
Pfft! (What’s THAT? Polish??).
So this is how Roosevelt’s America was dying!
In fact, this is a very common story. One of the “Washington Square Wise Men”, the one who introduced me to Stanley Kubrick, served a couple of years in prison because, like the bartender in this movie in 1946, he knocked his boss out, who told him that America was not on the right side of the front line during WWII, that it was necessary together with the Germans (Nazis) to fight against the Russians (Soviets).
By the way, he knew Trump’s father well, who became a millionaire by starting to build low-cost housing on East-End and in Brooklyn for soldiers returning from the war.
So Roosevelt America did not surrender without a fight, despite the fact that in Truman America similar statements were officially made by the US ambassadors to the USSR, Harriman and Bullitt, and Bullitt, who became the prototype of Voland in Bulgakov’s “Master and Margarita”, spoke about this back in 1940 at the height of Dunkirk.
And even it is impossible to refer to his disgust from the horrors of Stalinism, since before the famous Ball in SpasoHouse, held in 1935, Bullitt admired Stalin in his reports to the State Department. (Back when he thought that Moscow would become a World Capital of anti-Christianity).
Best Years of Our Lives – “And For What?”
The Germans and the Japanese had nothing against us. They wanted to fight the Jews and the Reds, and they would have destroyed them if a bunch of Washington radicals would not deceive us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4EjRzzRQLI
Apparently this topic is very relevant, judging by the last week’s discussion in this blog.
And judging by Sunday political programs and forums, Trump gave the command to drown the Clintonoids in the shithouse (ideologically), not looking at the possibility of appearing in the press that the United States was not always the Shining City on the Hill, that it was an ideal to which one should strive, not a political reality.
By the way, I don’t think that ANY Democratic candidate is relevant AT ALL, since it appears that Hillary is going to run again.
Imagine that!
HRC and The Donald
REDUX!!
Pass the popcorn!!
Absolutely clear that you’ve been interviewing your typewriter again, Finca, with a prediction as idiotic as that.
Biden’s biggest campaign slogan so far is that Nothing Would Fundamentally Change. That gives working people nothing to hope for when it comes to healthcare, wages or anything else. The working classes will continue to gravitate to Trump because something (MAGA) is better than nothing. It’s a real freak show, but Trump will win again. America will continue its rapid decline unfettered by Democratic platitudes. Only after collapse will we see any fundamental changes, and then we’re probably looking at some kind of techno-futuristic fascism, until that falls apart, too. Get ready people.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/06/19/vowing-not-demonize-rich-biden-tells-billionaires-nothing-would-fundamentally-change
The huge increase in USA population is much of the problem.
Immigrants are negatively selected, to quote Brimelow.
Nothing will fundamentally change because the Deep State will be in charge like it is now. They always have continuity of power no matter what the results of the election are. Trump didn’t drain the swamp and has made it clear that he won’t.
“Lonely Traveler” – cool name, nice exposition. “…techno-futuristic fascism…” seems to have gathered its own momentum, and the unopposed triumph of that ideology in China is increasingly admired (even secretly admired by many in Lana the Free and Homer the Brave). I just spent a week bicycling around Guangzhou and the orderly prosperity of that city is something not to be seen in most metropolises of Norteamerica or Eurabia.
The price, of course, is to mind one’s manners, and accept the official repression of the Party. Cross the line and pay the price.
The interior of the hostel where I was camping out was reportedly being monitored with a CCTV camera feeding directly into police HQ. Got to keep an eye on those unpredictable foreign devils.
Mayor Pete is simply repulsive. Anybody who puts “Gay” first on their CV is dubious to begin with. I’m not morally opposed to a little discreet buggery in the privacy of one’s own home, between consenting adults, but sexual matters are private, and to make it the platform you are running on is a serious and frankly scandalous miscalculation. Nothing he says can even be taken seriously after that. People have asked me to listen to what his has to say, but I simply can’t. Women would be fools to vote for him. My mother, a staunch and lifelong Democrat won’t consider him. I can’t get past the vision of the inaugural ball.
There are men dressed in black leather shorts with suspenders, SS officer’s hats on their heads, spiked collars on their necks, and Nazi regalia tattooed on their persons, men dressed as Queen Elizabeth I complete with ruff, men in pink spandex, men dressed like Lucille Ball or Cher, men in feathers and makeup. It makes me giggle, and being found ridiculous is death to political ambition.
Your homophobic fever-dreams aside, I do tend to think that the USA isn’t really ready for an openly-gay president. I regard Mayor Pete’s bid as a novelty-candidacy that is being taken seriously because the fellow knows how to charm the media-elites. 🙂
Are you kidding? Actually, I adore gay guys, especially queens. They can be the best friends a girl can have. They are so often clever, funny and lewd. I simply don’t fancy one of them for President.
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Poor “Janos” simply could not resist the temptation. Alas.
When I think of the great queers that preceded him, Gore Vidal, Oscar Wilde, James Baldwin who were possessed of dignity and wit, and didn’t see their sexual preference as in need of a movement, Mayor Pete simpering sycophancy gives a bad name to buggery.
I seem to recall one William F. Buckley threatening Mr. Vidal publically with violence and a physical beating for being the person he was during public debate recorded live on network television back in the 70s.
William F. Buckley was a typical American homophobe that reacted violently towards the prominent queers de jour like Mr. Vidal by physically threatening him with a punch to the face for his greatness.
Not all simpering queers can be as demonstrably individualistic as Mr. Gore evidently was judging by historical record. Could it be that Mr. Gore was generously equipped to deal with human adversity all on his own two feet without feeling the need for any mass movement to be following him in lock-step?
Contemporary queers n’ dykes more fully grasp collectivism today given mass demonstration, contemporary activism, and propaganda/misinformation et cetera. The ‘Gay Pride Parade’ was not an animal of Mr. Gores time really. And whilst he aged out of the limelight gay collectivist attitudes came to the fore but he was not part of that as he stood as an individual pundit of American life and not as a collectivist in need of supporting dogmatism or propagandized rhetoric.
Mr. Gore also had more grey matter than most given his upbringing & existential experiences apart from the run-of-the-mill types that were never writers in their own right.
Gore Vidal was a lot like Hunter S. Thompson for being individualistic and strong on his own two feet whilst the likes of Buckley were trembling right-wingers pretty much in fear of their own shadows/unconsciousness as opposed to conscience which I, for one don’t think they possessed with respect to their actions & homophobic demonstrations of violence towards ‘queers’ like Gore Vidal.
RW
Mr Vidal was a fine man, a lover of the Old South, and a quasi Fascist if not an actual National Socialist in fag drag.
Remember how he told off the Pod People?
Ah, gotchya. So some Gays are good Gays but if they are good Gays then they don’t highlight their Gayness and instead fight for their race. Did I sort of get it?
Yes, why does “gay” have to be someone’s main or only identity? Vidal was a Man even though out and unashamed in the quieter way that was possible then.
Thought of 2 more queers who wouldn’t be caught dead in a gay pride parade, and they’re still alive. You have mad dog Paglia. Sounding like a amphetamine chihuahua, Camille tells it like it is. No pussy hat for her, thank you. And then, Fran Lebowitz, who on commenting about the lesbian gay movement found it beyond comprehension and truly bizarre that their goals were pitched at being accepted in the military and have the state sanctioned right to marry. Goals that she believed were the opposite of queer reason.
I disagree in that I think he could actually receive a lot of support. Particularly among younger people who have been trained from a very early age to not only accept homosexuality but consider it as a viable life alternative. Remember, all forms of media continually and constantly transmit the idea that these lifestyles are acceptable and also glamorous. Same thing they did with race in the last century and look how completely acceptable and common race mixing is now. So don’t just write him off because older people may not be comfortable. Remember, being old and intolerant is one thing the PC crowd rants and raves about on a daily basis. Even Oprah said all the old people need to die out.
Good point. In some circles, “cis” is a death knell and cissies are at the bottom of the barrel, especially if combined with White skin and male genitalia. And unless really cool or self hating, cis White Women are in danger of being termed as “Beckies”.
And they say it with such derision but it is actually very cool to be a Becky. It’s rebellious and non-conformist after all. They are just creating exactly what they wish to destroy through their persecution.
Exactly so. I love Beckies. Turn it around like Blacks did with the word “nigger” or we did with “deplorables”.
I’ll see if I can find it: One poor White women was wondering if she should call the cops on Blacks if she saw a crime being committed. She didn’t want to be seen as or be a “Becky”. She was told No, she should never call the cops on Blacks….
This may not be what you were talking about exactly but it’s basically about the same thing. Whats most offensive to me is that no context is provided for the women who are calling the police besides a few examples meant to highlight racism and bias. Shouldn’t overall statistics matter? I don’t know anyone who is just dying to call the law on random Blacks after all. And then the snooty moral lecture about how she is so awesome because her children are Black and she thus rises above the inherent racism of other White women. It’s all very demeaning and I also think its meant to demoralize. And notice who is giving the lecture.
https://www.sierraclub.org/articles/2019/05/dear-white-women-no-more-bbqbeckys-please
All in good time. Meanwhile, one of my kids is at the end of generation X and the other at the leading edge of the millennials, and I’m pretty sure neither of them would vote for Mayor Pete either. You and Oprah have a while to wait. From what I can tell, lifespans are continually being extended. The old guard still has control of the party and I’m not seeing much willingness to step aside for the likes of AOC. I’m surprised Nancy Pelosi hasn’t bitch-slapped her yet. What Oprah may say in public might be substantially different from the opinion she actually holds. You can’t trust celebrities
Oh absolutely! Actually many millennials are conservative but you won’t hear much about it. I am sure you understand why. I am not in agreement with Oprah by the way which you may think based on your response. I was just stating that her belief is a belief held by many SJWs. I definitely don’t trust celebrities but I am sure Oprah wants to get rid of Whites like most of Hollywood. It’s just in their makeup to be anti-White. They are part of the propaganda machine pushing the anti-White narrative so its as if it has become part of their DNA.
SSL
“Particularly among younger people who have been trained from a very early age to not only accept homosexuality but consider it as a viable life alternative. “
You will possibly recall me saying that my nephew who is gay wasn’t known by his parents or siblings to be gay until his sister finally sent him a text to ask him (very similar story with my husband’s niece, except that she came out and introduced her family to her girlfriend shortly after she left school). They had all politely ‘wondered’ and ‘surmised’ from time to time, but he didn’t talk about it and nobody had asked. He was a bright boy, with lots of friends and no ‘issues’, who got straight As in all his subjects at school and a prize from the school for being the best German pupil they’d ever had.
Nobody trained my nephew. He just is what he is (which, aside from anything else, is a charming and clever young man who loves his family).
But here’s the thing, SSL. You have young boys. My nephew wasn’t definitely known to be gay (his text back to his sister said ‘I assumed everybody knew’) until he was 21. He’d known since a young age, obviously.
Now your boys are young. And please don’t do that thing where you turn into a banshee screaming ‘disgusting!’ at me – I’m putting a totally imaginary hypothesis to you, nothing more. I’m sure your kids will be über-manly, but just if…if one of them turned out to be gay, would you force him to undergo ‘conversion therapy’? Would you tell him his ‘lifestyle’ was not ‘acceptable’ even though it was utterly normal for him?
Have a look at this article:
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2018/11/15/Gay-conversion-therapy-often-starts-at-home-with-devastating-consequences/2141542322152/
““We found that when efforts to change a young person’s identity occurred in adolescence, it had an impact that followed them into young adulthood,” …. “Two things that were surprising to see was that negative impact included limiting their income as a young adult and restricting their educational attainment.”
“Suicide attempts among those surveyed nearly tripled for those who reported both home-based efforts to change their sexual orientation by parents and intervention efforts by therapists and religious leaders. Levels of depression also more than tripled among this group.”
Now, as you know – or should do by now because I’ve said it often enough – I don’t remotely support any attempts or ‘agenda’ to push young people towards a gay or other ‘lifestyle’ if that’s not the way they’re inclined naturally.
So, in turn, are you for or against attempts by parents and others to try to change their child’s natural sexuality and thereby do them harm?
And if you think the enthusiastically anti-gay can’t have gay children or other relatives, you could take a look at this:
https://www.ranker.com/list/top-anti-gay-politicians-with-lgbt-relatives/keaton
Newt Gingrich, for goodness’ sake!! But at least he can take some credit for his response, unlike a number of the others.
Please don’t give me any whataboutery concerning the ‘LGBT agenda – that’s not what I’m talking about, which is simply people whose natural sexuality isn’t the same as yours or mine and who have existed in all populations since centuries before there was an LGBT agenda.
Roy’s Death Words:
I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe.
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.
Suburban homes eaten in firestorms.
I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.
I watched both major political parties in America not know what civic duty was as they glitter with gold.
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
And Americas’ good ideas lost in time, like trolls on a blog.
Time to die.
Time to cry.
K-Dog, are you sure you are a dog, not a coyote?
aaaarrrrrrooooooooooooooooooooooo!
You’ve done incredible things, Roy. The fire that burns twice as bright burns half as long. Time for you to die, droid (America). The Elite are going to sell us off at cost – a massive junk sale, while they abscond to China, New Zealand, Australia, etc.
You left out Elizabeth Warren’s pitch to forgive college debt.
The problem is that Sen. Warren has just one too many plans; or maybe 2 or 3 too many. We can’t do everything and unless the composition of the Senate changes we likely won’t do anything much except moderate some extreme positions regardless of which Democrat is elected. To me, the best ticket would be Biden-Harris. They would trounce Trump-Pence or Trump-Haley. (I have no doubt that Trump would dump Pence for Haley if he thought it would help his chances. Pence should have no illusions about that.)
From appearances, it seems to me that Biden is an insider version of Trump with more spit and shine. He is also more predictable than Trump. But give him a drink or two and he is equally gaffe prone and unapologetic. The things that need to happen won’t happen on his watch.
1) repeal of Citizens United;
2) more regulation of markets and banks;
3) repeal of the Trump tax cuts;
4) MFA or at least improvements in the ACA;
5) a new policy towards Central America and immigration reform.
He might get Garland Merrick appointed to the Supreme Court.
.
The country is not buying what the rest of the Democratic field is selling. The right wing lug nuts are firmly entrenched in the upper chamber and on the Supreme Court. That will probably give them the edge for the foreseeable future. If there is a future.
Let me guess. The new policy for Central America and immigration reform is code for making sure the border stays open?
The nuts have been right about everything, from floridation to the dangers of the UN. Trump’s stacking of the Supreme Court is one of the few good things he’s done. And those conservatives aren’t very conservative in any case. We’re going to go over the cliff at 40 mph instead of 120 under the rule of a Warren, Clinton, or Pelosi. The Red Queens!
Another Dem initiative presented this week — by Warren & Sanders — is forgiveness of the $1.6 trillion of student loan debt out there. What a reason for youbg people to vote for one of these two, but the other candidates have similar plans.
For me several quesions are posed.
1) For people who paid back their student loans, will there be a refund?
2) Students who worked their way thru college — and some still exist — can they get some kind of credit from the feds?
3) Student loans going forward, will they be forgiven as they are being made, maybe presented as a grant, or a gift from the Dem Party,
Nothing like free money — $1.6 trillion in this case — to scare up votes. Its fool proof.
Brh
I got my higher education free-of-charge and was even paid a small (around 40% of average worker’s compensation) stipend.
But extremely high academic standards must be enforced, in other words students must study their ass off to be eligible, and their natural God-given talents must fit the area of study.
Everybody must get their chance to ride a social elevator, not just the rich kids.
Finca I doubt if higher ed in Russia is a racket like it is here.
Also, Finca, on the Russian campus, is it PC, with a strain of anti Russia sentiment running thru it, like the anti Americanism and anti white rhetoric like we have in the USA?
Brh
I think we were more interested in girls and American music.
If they can flip the electorate via immigration which is the plan (and its working spectacularly) then option 3 will be the answer. The country will be a big version of Cali. One party control down the ballot. That’s where they want to bring us.
$1.6 trillion – in other words, 2 years fo the ‘Defence” budget. Guess which one would be the better investment?
We need a big defense budget,
When the Chicoms decide to rub out little New Zealand you will be calling on it to save your sorry asses.
Bfh
Nah, we’ll just do a ‘great deal’.
It’ll be your oligarchical billionaires with bolt-hole syndrome who’ll suborn the US military to head south & kick out the Chinese, but not as a favour to the Kiwi population. I’d possibly prefer Chinese imperialism to overblown, entitled American billionaires operating the country as a serfdom.
No you wouldn’t China is hell why do you think anyone with money is getting the hell out of there and sending their kids abroad to study?
Ol’ Scratch, you should know better than anyone (any-arch angel): Better the devil you know.
It may come down to that at the proverbial pull the lever moment, the “lazy vote” and go with the devil as opposed to the deep blue sea.
Might be a good idea for either party to aim for this mind-share middle ground. Round the edges the (then) four years of misdirection and turmoil as it were. Time to shift down a gear on the politics. Slow down and see what is really going on….
“Tate, I love that you were a fly on the wall during all these er…historical intimacies which involved power relations of pure equality.”
I suppose you were another one of those flys, eh? That they were unequal power relations proves my point unless you consider all sex involving unequal power relations rape, LOL.
The problem is, everything gets filtered through your secular materialist hedonistic modern POV, my dear.
“Maybe you’re the type who blames a 14-year-old girl who gets involved with a 35-year-old teacher.”
Maybe you’re the type who blames a 35-year-old teacher who gets involved with a 14-year old boy.
“I mean men can’t help themselves, can they? Poor dears.”
You’re riding high on the outrage bubble, sweetie. Get out that virtue whip, Yee-haw!
“Even churchgoing white slave-owning pillars of the community with a wife at home.”
Uh yeah, the Christians among those Churchians could. See above, first response. Your straw man ‘arguments’ — if such they can be called — miss the point, which was the point, wasn’t it?
How many Christians there were among the Churchians is a different question.
Unequal power relations were so unbearable to your way of thinking. But that’s the way the world has been, is, & will always be. “Slavery” in some form will always exist. Females are hypergamous, whether black, brown, yellow, white, or striped, always seeking unions with higher-status males. Massa never needed to use force on the wenches to have his way. You just can’t stand that.
Hi Cutie Pie
At it again. And you couldn’t just answer on the previous thread, obviously, where the comment was. You have to plaster your bigotry all over a new thread where it has no place.
“Maybe you’re the type who blames a 35-year-old teacher who gets involved with a 14-year old boy.”
Yes, obviously. Aren’t you? What is your point?
“That they were unequal power relations proves my point unless you consider all sex involving unequal power relations rape, LOL.”
Twisting words again, Cutie Pie. You have proved no point. You said they were mostly not. And yet, bizarrely, you weren’t there. I presume you think it was possible to say no to Massa. As if Massa even asked. I suppose you think children abused by their fathers or uncles are consenting because they don’t put up a fight.
“Massa never needed to use force on the wenches to have his way. You just can’t stand that.”
Of course he didn’t. He was Massa. Everyone knew what happened if you said no to Massa. What I can’t stand is people who make stuff up to suit their agenda. When they weren’t there.
“Females are hypergamous, whether black, brown, yellow, white, or striped, always seeking unions with higher-status males. “
How very cute to call it a ‘union’.
As for your ‘always’, my daughter and I can’t be the only exceptions. That would be just too much of a coincidence.
And people who use ‘always’ and ‘never’ in their arguments are to be taken with extreme caution. Since they ‘rather often have an agenda which overrides the truth.
That didn’t take long.
“Yes, obviously. Aren’t you? What is your point?”
My point is that there is no blame. Love will find a way.
“What I can’t stand is people who make stuff up to suit their agenda. When they weren’t there.”
Neither can I, sweetie.
“As for your ‘always’, my daughter and I can’t be the only exceptions. That would be just too much of a coincidence.”
Yes, the acorn doesn’t fall far from the tree. Your kind eventually peters out on the tree of life.
My kind? You are too hasty in your default to ad hominems, Tate, when you have no argument. And only those most pathetically short of an argument need to resort to calling complete strangers ‘sweetie’ as a putdown. You should think better of yourself, Tate.
My point is that there is no blame. Love will find a way.
I think you have just excused both serious professional misconduct, of a person in a position of responsibility, trust and authority in a school abusing that responsibility, trust and authority, as well as statutory rape.
I think that speaks for itself.
” Love will find a way.”
Alba,
As will lust….
But if it does between a 35-year-old schoolteacher and a 14-year-old pupil, EF, it should end in a jail sentence.
The law will find a way too. Thankfully.
Although evidently not often enough.
But you indicted yourself. I was just pointing out the obvious. You & your daughter are aberrant in the genetic selection game.
That is, if what you say can be taken at face value. You eventually married a doctor, no? I don’t know about in Airstrip One, but here in the U.S. physicians are high-status ‘catches’.
Illicit love affairs are a part of history. You want to reduce everything to black-&-white. I don’t excuse egregious incidents where trust & authority are truly abused. But that’s just part of your usual smear tactics, making me out to be some kind of Simon Legree character.
& sweetie, we have a history as you well know, we aren’t “complete” strangers.
One 14 year old boy was “abused” by a young teacher in her 20’s for some months. He tired of her and then reported her. The Will to Power exercised by a young Sith Lord.
I could never treat a lover that way, but he is obviously destined for great things. In any case, boys and girls are very different and have different reactions and different life paths. A good key can open many locks but a good lock will resist many keys.
Tate
There you go again with your ad hominems.
Not that it’s any of your business – or that you have much of a clue what non-partner GPs earn in the UK, but my husband works less than half time and will have a pension (he’s just turned 65) pretty much the same as mine, because most of his previous pension savings went down the drain with a business that didn’t work out, and his flat and everything in it.
Thankfully I have a paid-up home for us both, so who’s the ‘catch’ now? I have to say I’m in a very happy and secure position because of my lifetime’s work. I guess my daughters caught the hard-working, personal responsibility bug from me, but then they’re just not that unusual in other cultures than yours.
Like I said, none of your business, but you insist on personal arguments, I have the right to rebuttal.
I’m perfectly familiar with illicit love affairs. I specifically asked you about a teacher-pupil scenario because it is so completely clear in terms of the power relationship AND the responsibility. And your reply was shocking.
I wasn’t thinking of a female teacher, by the way, but a male teacher abusing his power in relation to a male pupil.
Janos’ imagination doesn’t seem to have stretched that far either, despite his endless witterings about gay men allegedly ‘turning’ young boys.
Whether you are a complete stranger or not, the point about your pathetic use of ‘sweetie’ still stands. You’ll have noticed that other people who engage with me don’t have to lower themselves in that way. Janos uses insults, of course, but he’s Janos.
“A good key can open many locks but a good lock will resist many keys.”
Yes, I’ve heard your arguments for whores before, thanks.
Remind me where it is in your Bible?
You are very prickly, it seems. You can’t stand a little rough-&-tumble so I will refrain from calling you ‘sweetie’ so as to preserve your delicate feelings from hereon out.
You were thinking of a male teacher converting a male student to his perverted lifestyle? Now, that’s new to me. At first you said it was a 14 yr old schoolgirl. Now you’re trying to get me to approve of sexual inversion in addition to the power disparity? How perverted in its own way. You will never get approval from me of that no matter how dishonorably you try to smear this American with it. That’s one thing that here in America we never countenanced. That’s a British peccadillo.
“You can’t stand a little rough-&-tumble so I will refrain from calling you ‘sweetie’ so as to preserve your delicate feelings from hereon out.”
‘Sweetie’ isn’t rough and tumble. Your usual insults are rough and tumble. ‘Sweetie’ is intended to patronise and diminish one’s interlocutor, not engage in rough and tumble. It’s the fallback position of the inadequate male.
Re the rest, you seem to be having difficulty following the dialogue, Janos. I put to Tate the scenario of a 35-year-old teacher and a 14-year-old female pupil. The default assumption would be that the teacher would be male.
Tate responded by flipping the scenario to include a 14-year-old boy instead. There have indeed been instances of female teachers behaving in such a predatory manner, but sexual predation is still primarily a male behaviour, so I assumed we were still talking about a male teacher. It could have been either. In both cases it would be a serious case of professional misconduct and statutory rape, if intercourse took place.
Your anti-gay pearl clutching is neither here nor there. Perhaps therapy would help.
Apologies, Tate, I read that as a reply from Janos, so you’ll have to adapt it, which I’m sure you can manage.
“You were thinking of a male teacher converting a male student to his perverted lifestyle? ”
I was merely thinking of a gay teacher and a gay pupil.
Correction: had it been a female teacher it wouldn’t technically be rape in the UK. I’m not familiar with US law on the matter. In the UK, rape requires a penis. Otherwise it’s sexual assault.
Oh really Alba? People’s development can’t be fucked with? Oh but it can. Girls could easily be turned away from men by early abuse. Bet you don’t have a problem admitting that, right? But the opposite is a big problem because it goes against Gays.
GreenAlba,
The last teacher-pupil case heard of in this area was a 28 year old female art teacher and a 17 year old male student. They engaged in intercourse on a number of occasions at a wilderness preserve. She had a 1 year old and was recently married.
My younger sister happened to be best friends with this women when they were girls about the grades of 3rd-6th. Then they had a blow out as people do growing up and didn’t know one another by high school.
Thanks-No Thanks for “fun” dialogue between you and Tate, as it reminded me to look into what has since been reported about the case in the last 14 and 1/2 months.
Not a peep in the news from what I can tell. No jail time. The teacher did lose her job, as is. Seems a bit like a gender double standard….
Janos
“Oh really Alba? People’s development can’t be fucked with? Oh but it can. Girls could easily be turned away from men by early abuse. Bet you don’t have a problem admitting that, right?”
Why would I have a problem ‘admitting’ that? It’s nothing to do with ‘admission’. If the evidence is there, it doesn’t need to be ‘admitted’. Many women and men abused as children have testified to difficulties with relationships and trust in later life. Why would you think that was difficult to imagine?
So your bet, as with so many of them, is tripe. Hope you didn’t wager too much.
“But the opposite is a big problem because it goes against Gays.”
On the other hand, I’ve yet to hear of someone being ‘turned gay’ in that manner. Most young boys who have been abused by e.g. teachers or priests are heterosexual and have remained so. Some, statistically, would have been gay to start with.
BTKP
If someone posts a comment to me at the end of a thread, I respond to it on that thread, on the assumption that they may or may not look at it. Such dialogues can continue through several comments and they don’t need to inconvenience anyone else, since most people won’t look back at the old thread once they’ve moved on.
That would have been my preference in this case.
Re your case, I quite agree with you that there is a double standard and I don’t support it, as you will have seen above. In fact it is the fellas above who think it is genuinely different. EF wishes it had happened to him and Janos thinks it’s just different because men and women are different.
Whatever. I think people in a situation of trust and in loco parentis should keep their mitts off their charges. No ifs, no buts.
A very quick google search came up with this list of women who did go to jail for such offences. Given it’s a legal firm’s website it has its own agenda but it reckons the punishments are lighter too.
https://www.lawfirms.com/female-teacher-sex-crime-offenders-and-scandals.html
And I have learned that in the US a woman can commit rape, which is a technical difference with the UK’s legal system.
And the other thing, BTKP, is the age of the minor.
Had the 17-year-old boy and the 28-year-old woman had a relationship but not been at the same school, the situation would have been different and really nobody else’s business, at least in this country, where the age of consent is 16.
The issue is that she was his teacher and therefore guilty of serious professional misconduct.
Yes, unequal power relations have always existed and always will. Simply a little nugget of truth but inconvenient for many anyway. So what is the big surprise about the fact that there is unequal power relations between the sexes? Rather than fighting it all the time it seems a lot easier to just accept it. But that’s just my opinion.
“Yes, unequal power relations have always existed and always will. Simply a little nugget of truth but inconvenient for many anyway. “
I’m not sure where anyone in this conversation said unequal power relations didn’t exist. Perhaps you could point it out to me?
So where are you on the issue of 35-year-old teachers having sexual relations with their 14-year-old charges, SSL? Are you with Tate? Will you back him if a 35-year-old teacher gets involved with one of your sons? He thinks there is no blame to be apportioned because unequal power relations just, you know, exist.
“So what is the big surprise about the fact that there is unequal power relations between the sexes? “
If you came to my home and to many, many others, SSL, you would find that isn’t necessarily the case. I know we are far gone in our horrific descent into mutual respect, but there we are.
“the issue of 35-year-old teachers having sexual relations with their 14-year-old charges…”
Alba,
One of my greatest regrets in life is that I was found wanting in that particular process…unselected, and thus diminished….
EF
While I’m sorry if your crush on Mr Jones remained unfulfilled, I feel it is better so.
Cuz boys and girls are exactly the same. And an older woman initiating a boy is just as bad an older man abusing a girl.
Marmish nonsense. The Tyranny of Equality.
Read the post, dummy.
“And an older woman initiating a boy”
If you want to have the law on statutory rape changed, I’m not the person to be arguing with. Stand for election and see who votes for you.
Maybe SSL has views on some Mrs Robinson with a taste for 14-year-olds initiating her boys.
Especially if she’s their geography teacher.
What a shower…
And if you read my post to Tate, you’ll see that I was thinking of a 35-year-old MALE teacher messing with a 14-year-old boy, since Tate didn’t specify in his silly tit-for-tat response.
Female virginity is all important since no man wants to raise a child that isn’t his. Of course the State is fine with supporting such women so it doesn’t matter as much now to them. And thus Society goes down by the bow.
“Female virginity is all important since no man wants to raise a child that isn’t his.
Right. Because it’s impossible to have sex without getting pregnant.
If you want female virginity for the delicate class of male, you need a class of whores. And repulsive hypocrisy from people like you who want it both ways.
You are adept at avoiding questions, I’ll give you that.
Janos spewed up…”Female virginity is all important since no man wants to raise a child that isn’t his. Of course the State is fine with supporting such women so it doesn’t matter as much now to them. And thus Society goes down by the bow.”
Who else is tiring of this faux intellectualism, parading as deep wisdom on the basis of irrefutable statements of fact (as Janos sees it)?
In American marriage, at least ten percent of babies are from men other than their husband’s. It’s a big issue, Madge. Men should test their new baby’s DNA to make sure that it is in fact, their baby.
“Men should test their new baby’s DNA to make sure that it is in fact, their baby.”
If mine had insulted me like that I’d have left him even sooner than I did.
He had two of his very own and ignored the second one totally because she was a girl and he thought he was due a boy.
Some women are duplicitous; some men are wankers (and often duplicitous too). C’est la vie.
“Who else is tiring of this faux intellectualism, parading as deep wisdom ”
Amen to that. Men with views like Janos’ tend to not be able to get the women they feel entitled to by dint of their esteemed alphaness, hence they can’t forgive da wimminz in general. Someone on their level wouldn’t be good enough for them. We had one like that at my work. Come to think of it he weirdly collected Nazi memorabilia too – maybe it’s a syndrome.
Of course it’s a syndrome – you only need to look at the websites they gather on. All the same views on everything, like they’ve been injected.
And I don’t mean this website, but rather the more er…specialised ones.
I didn’t say accuse your wife of anything. If the test comes back ok, she never need know. You only “accuse” her when you have the Facts.
“Men should test their new baby’s DNA to make sure that it is in fact, their baby.”
Geez, Janos…that’s “alphaness” taken to a paranoid extreme if ever there was one. You must have a miserable shriveled life, lacking in any sort of personal trust.
I guess if your partner/wife/chattel to a cute li’l piccaninny you’d really have a fit!
“…gave birth to…”
“If the test comes back ok, she never need know. ”
Obviously you approve of women of doing stuff behind their husband’s back as well. She could take a hair of his for DNA testing and check if he’s 100% worthy to give her a child. If it came back OK, she never need know.
I mean there’s nothing that provides a sturdier foundation for a relationship than lies of omission and commission.
*he* need never know…
Women are sneaky, Alba. And in any case they do endeavor to ascertain a man’s fitness to be their husband. Is it really too much to ask that a man have the right not to be a cuckold? What do you expect him to do? Ask her? If she was good enough to be honest, she would have never cheated on him to begin with.
Ten percent is huge. Huge. And I notice you don’t dispute the number.
Whoa! Only a few hours in and the board already spinning out of control.
Perhaps if Tate had just responded to my post on the other thread ON THE OTHER THREAD, you wouldn’t have had to read all this.
But you have a strange idea of ‘spinning out of control’, brh.
I don’t think even Tate has this in mind:
Tate
December 22, 2018 at 1:17 pm #
“This is why a woman cannot be trusted with The Secret. Woman must be subordinate to Man. Her Omega man was telling her to shut her pie hole but she disobeyed him with a sneering impunity. A good back-hand would have solved that problem.’
But what would I know? Maybe he’s all mouth and trousers. Maybe he isn’t.
“Whoa! Only a few hours in and the board already spinning out of control.”
ha ha
burn baby, burn 😉
Tate & G.A. calling each other sweetie & cutie pie..
the smoldering sexual tension between the two on the board is spinning out of control
🙂
I know, PeteA. It’s like Janos and his Becky all over again (I didn’t know about Beckys before today – the things I learn on here 🙂 ).
Alba, you are so completely outrageous that it’s really hard to take you seriously. Especially in this thread. I made no comment whatsoever about your “Mrs. Robinson” situation. My comment was specifically that many people deny the differences between the sexes. The differences in perception, development in general, sensibilities, etc. I never once said I support some 35 year old woman sleeping with a 14 year old boy. You really are disgusting to openly suggest my support of that but I am not surprised because you always drag me through mud when the opportunity seems to present itself. Why is that exactly????? Anyhoo, what I will say is that you are out of your mind if you don’t think teenage boys don’t fantasize about being “initiated” by an older woman. And yes, whether it is right or wrong many in society see it different than you. I hate to tell you but alot of men even joke about giving their sons high fives if they were to find out their son was getting it on with his teacher. Men are just that way. Sorry you can’t get a grip on reality. And I am not embracing it I am just telling you it is there. On the other hand most people automatically think of abuse if some situation between a 35 year old man and 14 year old girl were to be uncovered. Why? Because the girl is naturally going to be seen as a victim and the man a perpetrator. Why? Biology. Men seek and women say yes or no. Well that at least is the customary model though of course now women are supposed to be like men and pursue lovers the same way. So that situation would be seen as a grown man taking advantage of a vulnerable teenage girl. Abuse in other words. It really is simple so I am not going into it any more. I never said anything about not respecting you. You made it clear how little respect you had for me in the beginning. That is on you Alba. I have no hard feelings against you. I just often disagree with you.
“. You really are disgusting to openly suggest my support of that…”
Really, SSL, again, get a flippin’ grip. I don’t understand how someone can go all the way through school and have such a tragically poor grip on the uses and nuances of the English language.
And thanks so much for the lesson on differences between men and women. I mean I’d never have thought…
That was sarcasm, BTW, since you seem to need the infinite variety of linguistic functions explained to you.
There was a case here a while ago where a 15-year-old girl went off with a married 35-year-old teacher, who was allegedly besotted with her, as she was with him.
They ran off to France together, but he later spent two and a half years in jail.
But here’s the thing. She was just a desperate to run away with him as he was to run away with her, and just as much as those boys would like to have sex with their teacher. So, in terms of responsibility and trust, there’s no difference between the male and female teacher.
What happens if the female teacher gets pregnant? Is the kid’s father going to give his boy a high five or try to get the teacher prosecuted?
“Anyhoo, what I will say is that you are out of your mind if you don’t think teenage boys don’t fantasize about being “initiated” by an older woman. ”
Are you mad? Who’s talking about fantasies? We’re talking about people DOING stuff.
And please, please, stop being ridiculous.
“Maybe SSL has views on some Mrs Robinson with a taste for 14-year-olds initiating her boys.
Especially if she’s their geography teacher.”
And given what I actually said, it’s you who owes me an apology for your utterly ridiculous interpretation, but don’t worry, I’m not that desperate. Bonkers is as bonkers does.
I’m going to spell it out for you, SSL, since you seem to have such difficulties.
“Maybe SSL has views on some Mrs Robinson with a taste for 14-year-olds initiating her boys” …
…means…
….wait for it…
I don’t think SSL would approve of some Mrs Robinson initiating her boys.
Perhaps people should be less insulting about an education in the humanities. It has some uses.
I’m confused, who was “celebrating” segregationists?
Sniffy Joe was making who-knows-what point, maybe about his moral flexibility, maybe about his strong stomach, maybe about his ability to overlook crimes committed against large swathes of the American populace. Maybe he’s saying he’s adept at dealing with low-life scum. Who knows? Does he even know? Is he making virtue out of necessity?
As to modern-day segregationists, they’re in plain sight, not even hiding, right there on college campuses, in wealthy coastal enclaves. For all their virtue-signaling about race and diversity and multi-culturalism, do they inter-marry with Blacks and Latinos or Asians? No, the hell with all that, they take racism and bigotry with their mother’s milk, they circle the wagons to protect their interests and all the social justice blather is for earning a living in the academy or in corporate HR and in government bureaucracies but it’s especially for distraction and especially for distracting useful idiots. And aren’t these the clowns that practice Asian exclusion from their institutions of higher learning because of alleged character defects among that demographic? And no apology for it either.
There aren’t any “whites only” signs anywhere but there don’t have to be. Nobody even has to mouth it or whisper it. Barriers to entry are sky-high, social mobility a sick joke, not only for non-whites but also whites of poorer socio-economic strata, especially from Deplorable country. If you’re not born into the club you have more of a chance of making it to Proxima Centauri. Even if you accumulate a lot of dough, your looks, your tastes, but especially your accent marks you the second you open your mouth. You maybe can take the boy out of Shantyville but you can’t take Shantyville out of the boy.
JHK is right, the Democrats are well on their way to losing 2020 as all the Democrats are about is distraction from the real Democrat agendas of money and power for themselves but especially their paymasters. Will Liz Warren surmount what will be a Deep State push to up-end her candidacy given her railing against the predations of Wall Street? If I were Liz I’d watch my back, because what they did to Trump with the Russiagate baloney, they’ll do to her too. If I was a betting man I would bet the dirt-diggers are digging.
But in the end, by ignoring the material interests and dire needs of everyone but a small slice of the polity, all the Democrats are doing is creating political space for a political entrepreneur to create a following and maybe even a new party. They can maybe get rid of Liz, they can harass Trump to the point of neutering his administration but they can’t get rid of the economic interests of the people that voted Trump or would vote for Liz. Someone will sooner or later surface to address those needs. The Democrats, in short, are furiously digging their own grave. Boo-hoo. Good riddance.
Or did he just get caught out “rambling on” as old folks are often wont to do? I almost feel sorry for the old dude in this case, but he’s been in the game long enough to know better (it’s his own party that’s playing all this wokester BS, for crying out loud!), so better that he get tripped up and eliminated now than to actually get elected and go into full-on Ronny Raygun geriatric meltdown mode later. He doesn’t look well at all these days.
“He never called me boy…” LOL. In his calcified brain he probably imagined himself for just a moment out hoein’ cotton.
You’re right, he was probably just ramblin’. He’s a bull-shooter anyway and maybe lost the thread part-way.
Old people are a hoot to listen to! As long as you’re free to get up and walk from them, anyway.
Hi Volodya,
More than the end of the Dem Party IMO. The spectacle of the 2016 election was a clear signal that the political party system in the USA is so thoroughly corrupted that only the most partisan fools wouldn’t admit such. Too much uniparty mentality and too many sitting in the “wrong” party; RINOs, DINOs, etc. And Gawd forbid that an outsider should win the election and make the grandees of the District of Corruption look bad.
I can only imagine the liberal uproar were Trump to be discovered “sniffing” a woman. But for some reason, Joe seems to be the anointed one, or, perhaps, until he fails so badly that she has to return to the struggle to compel the Deplorables to follow the moral arc of the universe, or something like that.
It is difficult not to be profoundly disgusted and completely cynical about the national political clown show.
Cheers?
SHE has to return to the struggle? You don’t mean the Mother of all Washington swamp creatures do you? Save us oh lord, save us …
Liberals are beset by selective blindness – be it ocular or olfactory – shrugging irritably, declaring there’s no “there” there to the most laughably obvious offences, but then they have the willing acquiescence of the Deep State in making a mockery of law enforcement and a joke of the judicial system.
So, yeah, if Trump took a Biden-style sniff, they’d be storming the barricades, drawing up impeachment papers, at the very least demanding an end to this thing about not indicting a sitting president.
The way I see it, wokesterism and Gay Pride Parade-ism is just an orgy of virtue-signaling similar to the howling and grief and gnashing of teeth and rending of garments anytime one of the Kim patriarchs kicks the bucket in North Korea. So get out your rainbow flag and show up at the appointed hour along the parade route and pretend with all your might that you give a shit. Or your job or career or your social standing will be in peril, all of which applies to North Korea with the addition of imprisonment in the gulag or death by firing squad.
But the real liberal agenda is money. Filthy lucre and nothing more and the rest is a distraction. The service that Trump rendered is to have called out the Republicans because their agenda was the same as the Democrats and so Trump left the GOP stalwarts carrying their asses home in a pail. The same is yet to happen to the Democrats.
But with their frenetic attention to everything that matters least and their diligent inattention to everything that matters most they will by necessity make themselves irrelevant. I mean, even the most dedicated Democrat functionary has eyes and ears and a brain. Just like the Republicans and the Communists, the Democrats will stop believing their own bullshit. And they won’t even pretend to believe. And when that happens, that’s the end of it.
Not yet, thought that’s coming if things continue apace. As it is right now, these are popular religions and the people believe with a passion, wish to convert others, and persecute those who resist.
What you say is true of firefighters and police though: they are being forced to participate in these sorry spectacles.
Good comment. The ‘Dems’ [heh!] are fine with “losing”, though, so long as their palms still get greased.
It’s interesting that you think that there are barriers to social and economic mobility for minorities. In fact, the entire deck is stacked in their favor now. Its non-Elite White America (flyover country) that meets with barriers when attempting to be socially and economically mobile.
I think that – cough – “progressives” make a big show of it as every other word out of their mouths is migrants and blacks and gays and lezzies but the reality is that people with money mean to keep what they have. If there’s a widow or orphan with a few bucks in their bank account, the wealthy Manhattan “progressive” sees it as a cosmic injustice remedied only by scoffing said funds. In reality the condition of Deplorable Whites and Blacks and Hispanics is disastrous and the remedy for that is something that will never happen ie steady, decent paying jobs and an economy that makes use of more talents than fucking with spreadsheets or writing apps or conning people out of their retirement. But, because all of this will mean more money for destitute Whites and hard-bitten Blacks and Hispanics, it will ever see the light of day. At least, under this current regime.
Well yes that is true V. They, the Elite, are not going to give up their cushy positions so easily. That is why if there is any change at all it will be revolutionary. Let’s just hope it is a Nationalist revolution and not a Marxist revolution. Right now it is looking like it will be a Marxist revolution but I am hopeful I am wrong. And I know that you are really hoping that there can be a racial Kumbaya but I don’t see that occurring either. Especially as the fight over the table scraps of civilization heats up. That is why family/tribe will matter. Blood is thicker than water. It’s easy to forget what is important when things are relatively easy.
Blah, blah, blah.
SSL – you operate through a values system based on jealousy of the ‘cushy positions’ of the amorphous & unnamable ‘Elite’ and fear of the improbable takedown of the “White Race” by hordes of marauding immigrants who will overwhelm the mighty USA and give everyone Ebola – all of which is orchestrated & funded by Soros and his buddies.
Now, you’re mongering fear of a ‘revolution’ – you want Nazis in charge but are afraid the nasty commies might prevail. Make up your mind!
Why would Trump in his prime ‘rape’ a 50 yr old woman in a dressing room at Bergdorf Goodman? This harridan, who is now 75, claims in her book that she’s promoting (no surprise), that she has a 22 Most Hideous Men in My Life list on which we find our president listed No.1. Teflon Trump says that he never heard of her. That will be the end of the story. Avid feminists can wait 6 mos to pick up her book on the remainder table.
Who the heck is paying these women to come up with this stuff, and not only aimed at the GGG. Men need to learn new boundaries, women need to learn to stay out of trouble by staying away from trouble.
Whether her claim is true or not, I – and many others no doubt – don’t have any trouble accepting that it is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE, given the Slugworm’s history.
Bergdorf Goodman? Is that a hotel? I want to rent a room there or make it a user name. It is a spell of protection!
Why would Trump in his prime ‘rape’ a 50 yr old woman – Tate
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Trump’s latest accuser is 2.5 years older than Trump, hardly the gap in age you imply by the words “in his prime.” And besides there’s the ‘any port in a storm’ factor.
Regardless, my reason for commenting is to note that the funniest line in this political season is Trump offering as denial of sexual abuse that “number one, she’s not my type.”
Well if you look at his ex- wives and current wife you will see he does have a type and I seriously doubt this lady was his type but as we have all been lectured about rape is not about sex it’s about a power tripping asshole.
I think it can be either or both, benr.
There have been horrible instances here of men in their 20s or 30s breaking into the homes of women in their seventies and raping them before stealing their stuff. (White men before Janos jumps in.). It’s not frequent but it does happen.
She asserted it’s often about sex to Anderson ‘CIA’ Cooper. Then with a glazed expression she told him he is a very interesting interviewer which left him tongue-tied & stumbling for a response, ROFL. I’m having to reevaluate on her. She’s not like all the others.
Although roundly labeled as a crazy, I’m thinking she’s quite a gal. Could be an extended comedy routine like Joaquin Phoenix doing hip-hop.
Red meat for the rednecks. Yeah, them crazy delusional, paranoid negras. When’s everybody gonna understand they’re just a sub-group of whiners with no reason at all to think they’re getting unequal treatment by the police
(https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/12/08/south-carolina-cop-shot-black-man-back-got-deserved.)
Funny, no mention of the really dangerous behavior by the psychopaths in the Trump administration. To much of a contortion for even your talented pen to paint a similar picture of them irrational Iranians behaving like they are getting unfair treatment by the Man?
Yes exactly. No matter what and all the time evil and wicked Whites are to blame for every single and last problem in the world. All concerns of Blacks or any non-White person are not only always correct but they are the only concerns worthy of any consideration. Whites lol, like you said…nothing but stupid rednecks worthy of nothing.
You better stop feeling sorry for yourself or I’ll give you something to be sorry about, young lady!
Holy moly!!!!!! Wow, the Devil is telling me to behave! It can’t be any clearer that I am a deplorable now lol ;-).
gravid
Thanks, Jim. My new word for the day. I also enjoyed the use of rascal to describe a U.S. president. Will Trump one day be described with such an adjective? (grin)
Cheers
The only thing worse than the Democratic and Republican Party going under, is the idea of a single party system.
What will we call the remaining party? National Socialist, or Communist. Both have had their run at history.
What we need is for a middle of the road press that reports honestly and unbiased on the foibles of both sides. Then let the people choose sides based on the needs of the moment. Extremism would die out quickly as they would be considered quacks like they used to be.
We need two parties, not one. Choice is critical in a republic.
I agree, we need to throw the bums out periodically. But then there has to be bums to replace the ones that got thrown out. And that means another political party. The Chinese would insist no, it’s not necessary, that in fact their way is better. I say it’s not. The Chinese way is how corruption gets entrenched.
Businessmen say it’s cheaper overall than endless taxes, fees, and restrictions. Twice a year you take your patron out to a good restaurant. At some point you express your deep gratitude and casually present an envelope containing the requisite sum, probably just placing it on the table near him. It’s all fairly ritualized and casual. But any bad attitude about it will be resented tremendously. Deep sincerity about the gratitude need not be there, but the words must be said with a semblance of the same.
Umm… John, we HAVE only one single party as we speak. The names are purely for distraction. Don’t be distracted.
The Deep State vs. the Trumpers. Two factions. 2020 will tell the tale on whether the new two parties will continue. The Browning of America may destroy the two party system.
One of my points is that the press is key to a two party system. When the press lines up on one side only, it ceases its monitoring function. Commonly known as a free press.
Funny you should say that Mark Levin has an excellent book on the press right now that rips apart the press and exposes the fourth estate effect.
Unfreedom of the press!
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Q26B7GJ/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
The two real parties: Zionists/Neo Cons and the Democrats. And the Democrats are increasingly the Party of Big Business – let’s face the simple fact. This will not become common knowledge for years though. The Republicans are merely the deceptive outer face of the the first faction. Their golems.
The Zios want to drag America off to same nameless place for some nameless purpose. As the nut said Joe in that movie, I’m gonna use you, boy! You know, Dustin Hoffman and the blonde guy taking the bus ride to salvation…..
The Demos want to dissolve America – which they see as exalting her, making her a showpiece or microcosm of the World.
Being the Party of Big Business, and having the UN behind them (as in controlling it a la the NGOs), they are ultimately more powerful than the Zios. But the Zios can’t be counted out – as they have the power to dash the world to hell since they control key industries and positions in the military, etc.
The Dem debates ought to be good.
It looks like student loan debt will be the main issue, at least for now, edging out impeachment.
Blaming whitey for everything should be a main theme, ‘specially white men. Climate change, homosexuality, racism, the wonderfulness of trannies, all good talking points. Expect each candidate to out do the other. The way that works is, if Breadline Bernie says we have 20 years to cool the planet, Liz Warren says no, we have only 10 years.
A few things all can agree on is free sh#t for everybody, and the borders need to be wide open.
Let’s have a round of applause.
Brh
clap…clap…
Penicillin will fix that.
DNC debate candidates for June 26:
Cory Booker >>>> corporatist schill, will sell out on Inauguration Day
Bill de Blasio>>>>even NYers don’t want him to run, preferring Trump (!)
Julián Castro>>>> who?
John Delaney>>>> who?
Tulsi Gabbard>>>> Commonsencial genuine patriot who will probably be drowned out. Listen for her message.
Jay Inslee>>>> who?
Amy Klobuchar>>>>>Vanilla, through & through
Beto O’Rourke>>>> Apologist wokester
Tim Ryan >>>> who?
Elizabeth Warren >>>> smart lady, but too much like your mother or hectoring wife to garner much more than average male support
What no Buttigiggly? Did they lynch him in South Bend, yet? What an ironic name for a town led by a guy who will bend in any direction.
He’s on the Big Boy’s Board – tomorrow’s shindig.
I’ve said this before, that I think stuff like this has to be some kind of psyop.
Gay Mr. Buttigieg from South Bend. Don’t touch my Peter.
“Blaming whitey for everything should be a main theme, ‘specially white men.”
the high pitch oughta be especially annoying, particularly by the males.
“Senator Warren, can we get mortgage and car loan debt cancelled”?
Get the money from Wall Street.
Among other benefits it would free up money for a tropical vacation in the Dominican Republic. There’s some new mixed drinks I would like you to try out.
Brh
Wall Street’s likely to repossess your fingers for typing that and they’ll damn sure go after your tongue if you dare say it out loud. They’ve “got people” who handle these things.
I graduated with a BS (Bull Shit) of Environmental Science from the University of Massachusetts Amherst in 2017. Was the degree worth it? No. Mr. Kunstler, John Michael Greer, Derrick Jensen, Chris Martenson, and Hambone Little-Tail are far better teachers than a four year college education.
$375 a month is unmanageable in terms of student loan payments, especially if you are working a minimum wage job. $1600 per month, $12,025 left after paying the loan. $850+ for rent in MA which leaves $375 for everything else. I can’t even find a part time minimum wage job anywhere and have applied to Chucky Cheese, Walmart and every racket out there. (You’re overqualified is the response I keep getting from them) From every environmental corporation, I’m told I don’t have the experience.
Here’s what they need to do before forgiving student loans. Just stop the interest from accruing. That’s all. It’s indentured servitude/slavery because wages won’t rise to keep pace with the interest of these loans. Graduates inability to pay their loans is part of what’s driving young people towards socialism.
Mr. Kunstler I would love to drive over to New York sometime and talk about the student loan issue with you and the insanity of college campuses. If you want to talk about it doing some painting together I’d be happy to bring my canvas paints and brushes along.
THANKS
Now, I ask, why? why did you try?
Stopping the interest from accruing is a good suggestion but it may not be possible because aren’t these loans packaged & resold in the financial markets to big institutions like public service retirement funds? This will eventually be a mess going almost as haywire as the housing bubble fiasco, I’m afraid.
Picket in front of the UofM Amherst front administration building with a large placard that reads…’Professors & university administrators making huge profits off of shilling for Subprime Student Loans that can NEVER be paid off due to compounded interest rate charges that are predatory!’
And on the other side of the placard write…
UofM Amerherst PREDATORY LENDERS VICTIMIZE STUDENTS!
That should net you a job once the media interviews you after a week of picketing in front of the admin building. If the media does not respond within a week you should change up you tactics to picket in front of the local media newspaper building.
Do a YouTube video of your demonstration so that others catch on and copy your activism.
They claim you have no experience so all you need to do is to show them that you have enough experience to become an activist that lives in their lobby of their corporate headquarters.
If they call the police to evict you make sure to picket right in front of the police station too.
Don’t back down like a snowflake in defeat. Pretend you are Spock on Vulcan and you have to fight Captain Kirk to the death because that is Tapring’s Vulcan law. Remember The Cable Guy and persist until carried off in a straight jacket to the nut house.
P.S. The nut house costs the man more to keep you there than it does to keep you on minimum wage.
A wise Jewish professor from Bar Ilan U. Israel once told me never to work for wages. Don’t work for Chuckey Cheese unless you are selling franchises for high profit.
And always remember to screw the man!
RW
Freakin’ RW’s a damn campus radical! Who knew?
Aside from my professors & CSIS/RCMP & CIA – not many.
RW
There are many you tube talks by debtors. And Dave Ramseys channel on you tube.
A wise Jewish professor from Bar Ilan U. Israel once told me never to work for wages.”
RW,
True Dat….
Here’s another bit of wisdom;
Jesus Saves,
But,
Moses Invests!
(It’s like a metaphor…see? Moses….)
As one Amren poster said: Your opponents understand you far better than you understand yourselves and use that to great advantage against you.
Poor John Az or BRH being cases in point.
This was a good lesson for you at a young age: every adult is out to screw you into debt servitude any way they can. All the nonsense that adults care for you and want you to do well should be out the window now. You (and your friends) are on your own.
This doesn’t help the debt situation. From what I know, Env Science is a worthless degree. But, did you take Stats classes, math classes, any hard science? These could be worthwhile, if you move into a field like data science. That takes no schooling or tuition, and you can build a portfolio by taking 30 hour courses on Udemy for $11. And you learn the same stuff as you would in a lame college course. The Same Stuff.
Or, is a trade open to you? I talked to an electrician and he said kids get paid to apprentice, and just go to a union hall and ask a lot of questions – maybe that could be a fit.
One last note: a friend had a math and stats background from college, but was making peanuts, literally, working at an “environmentally-caring” company. I spent 2 years teaching her databases and data science (python, pandas, sql server, power bi, access), and she literally doubled her salary in one jump. She showed off her portfolio of work and there was a bidding war for her skills, and she ended up working for an enormous, major company. I would get digital books for her on sale at places like PacktPub or Manning or Apress. Video courses at udemy and Lynda (never pay more that $12 for those video courses).
Total cost to more than double her income? Maybe $300 for books and video courses. Plus a lot of hard work. But now she has a chance for a life. And don’t forget the torrent networks. Every textbook and solution manual is on there.
Sounds like the kind of degree you need a Masters in to do anything with (which is MOST degrees these days!). Not that I’m advising you to throw any more money at it at this point. You’d probably need a steady, relatively uninterrupted career track with references these days, as well. The National Labs would be a logical route, as they often pay for higher degrees while you work. Environmental Sciences are a major growth area in terms of sheer employment opportunity numbers, but the upper salary potential’s somewhat limited unless you’re a standout in the field. Definitely not a prestige job or anything, but it will more than pay the bills.
Prepper, try to get a gig with an oil company. That’s what my youngest brother did, signed up with Exxon when he got out of the Coast Guard and made a shitload of money on giant tankers transporting petroleum from Bahrain to Houston. He made enough to retire and live at a fishing camp every season. He ain’t even 50 yet..
If that don’t fly check out the coal fields. They’re always hiring environmental types. Go wherever they’re going to pay you some f#kkin real money.
Good luck.
Brh
Prepper
New Zealand has a possible solution you might want to explore or promote
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student_loans_in_New_Zealand).
Student loans were introduced in the mid-1990s. Before this, university fees were covered 90% by the government.
Introduced by NZ’s conservative party, National, the Student Loans System was a way of reducing the on-books cost for the government accounts by transferring what had once been a subsidy to a student to an obligation on that student.
The ‘loan’ is fully supplied by the government, rather than private lenders.
In 2001, a Labour government seeking re-election waived all interest on loans while studying and, later (2005) in post-study if living in New Zealand. (If you leave NZ to work, then interest starts accruing.)
Currently, outstanding debt amounts to $15 billion, with the average loan being around $21,000.
Repayment is paid through the tax system – once in work, and earning more than $19,500 ($375 per week) after which you pay an additional 12 cents in the dollar towards your loan. Again, no interest at all, throughout the life of the loan.
Still, some kids leave university with mortgage-sized debt, which hangs around their neck for a long time which means delays in starting a family and buying property. Still, it is clearly a much fairer system than the US uses.
I don’t know how you are going to pay the rent by volunteering to apprentice to Kunstler as sidekick in his plein air mein. You are more likely to make your monthly nut if you take your clothes off and strike heroic poses in the South End of Boston.
Anyway, with grade inflation, you really have to get a masters to make real money, or at the very least, be willing to go literally anywhere, and take jobs that might be tangential to a strictly environmental science field, for example, as a public health officer, swabbing public toilets. From there, make professional connections to upgrade to something cushy, moving icons around on a screen, to prepare endless required civil paperwork. The bottom line is that, as in every field, you have to pay your dues. Long hours at the bottom of the totem pole, obscure grunt work, volunteer or temporary, and demonstrate some sense of drive and mission beyond a careerist mentality. Ironically this will prepare you to become a careerist. The degree is just the beginning of the moat.
Or, you could go live with the syphilis-ridden lost tribes of Bora Bora with the Peace Corps. That is what I did. I have great memories and some anal itching that will never go away.
I suggest leaving your college off of applications for employment I it does not apply.
Have you tried USAJOBS?
Brh: Also, Finca, on the Russian campus, is it PC, with a strain of anti Russia sentiment running thru it, like the anti Americanism and anti white rhetoric like we have in the USA?
Me: I think we were more interested in girls and American music.
About the sex in the USSR, which actually was!
When I once told my fellow Pratt students about the life of students in the USSR, they sat and listened to me, nervously gnawing at their nails, and one even accused me on the basis of this story that I am a Communist and propagandize the Soviet way of life, by no means meaning lack of sex in the USSR.
Which was not at all in my plans. I just got drunk and I felt sorry for the unhappy boys from Iowa who found themselves in the “capital of the world” New York.
The fact of the matter is that the sexual revolution was not in America, it was in the USSR, when the moral image of the builder of communism had already left the forefront of history, and the sexual accountant of capitalism had not yet learned to use an adding machine (I don’t even talk about computers).
But in the USSR, no one noticed because of its uniformity, universality and benefits for fertility.
Sexual Revolution – in America, this phrase means the emergence of Playboy magazine and mass masturbation with the help of this magazine, with the result that, as I understand it, any depravity was destroyed as a class and American abstinence and morality reigned after money and career have come to the fore in this area.
Physical philandering due to the weight of the possible consequences turned out to be too expensive and could not stand the competition with Playboy. When I went to the USA through Austria and Italy, every tobacco shop was crammed with covers with naked women and matching cassettes, but it was nothing compared to 42 streets in New York, which gave the impression of some kind of sexual Hell that could turn Casanova and Marquis de Sade into pathetic impotents.
In the USSR, there was nothing of this, and until the girlfriend dragged a video player from work, I did not know what pornography is. But in personal relationships, the only thing that was required of a man is to please the girl. And, as far as I remember, physical attractiveness was also not so important, and even more so, neither money nor career played any major importance. Practically we lived in the world described by Stanislaw Lem in “Return from the Stars”.
The only material factor that still invaded this sphere of human relations, and at all social levels, is American blue pants with rivets. And in my opinion it is precisely this invasion in this sphere that became the cause of the most terrible geopolitical catastrophe in the history of mankind.
There was one single exception: the sexual life of children of diplomats and foreign trade workers from the mid-70s followed the laws of capitalism, and it seems to me that Meladze realized some complexes of that time in this song and reduced some of his scores with a delay of 20 years, since at the moment of the appearance of this clip, the logic determined by the difference in exchange rate between the sausage ruble and foreign-exchange ruble was already outdated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRuPhmJ33-E
And all the other young men and women who had nothing to do with MGIMO, INYAZ or the faculty of journalism or philology, having met and liked each other, went to the cinema, not really bothered with mercantile considerations. It was in the last rows of cinemas that shyness and other moral barriers were overcome, preventing young people from embarking on a frank discussion of ways to solve the most important and most difficult problem: “Where and when ?!”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeVirGgMsCA
And then came US citizen Anya Politkovskaya with the “Vzglyad” program under her arm, where all the boys did not belong to the “high society” and whom she approached, removed from herself, drove in, divorced, reconciled, quarreled as Ksyusha of the defendants of House-2. And the morals of the faculty of journalism, MGIMO and INYAZ have become spread to the rest of the youth.
And everything collapsed!
So The Beatles’ Back in the USSR had it right, eh?
Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out
They leave the west behind
And Moscow girls make me sing and shout
That Georgia’s always on my my my my my my my my my mind
Oh, come on
Hu hey hu, hey, ah, yeah
Yeah, yeah, yeah
I’m back in the USSR
You don’t know how lucky you are, boys
Back in the USSR
Sing it, Finc!
Right, here came Scratch and with his vulgarity ruined everything!
My pleasure.
Finca,
My take on the sexual revolution in the US: 1. Availability of the pill. Made sex seem less risky for women. 2. In my imagination, I think the whole “sexual revolution” scheme was cooked up by some frat boys (probably Dartmouth) to increase their chances of having sex. “Show us how free you are girls!”
Seriously? No woman wants a one-night stand.
Jen in San Jose
Jen
Do you remember Hugh Hefner and Playboy. His stated objective was to lead the sexual revolution, and he did it. The Playboy Mansion in LA was famous as a source of debauchery and many of the dirty old men of today’s #metoo movement are products of this lifestyle. Remember the 70s and 80’s and the playboy movement. Part of being male, famous and rich was access to the Playboy movement.
And yes girls, there were plenty of female volunteers.
Sad story…The head cheerleader from my high school became a playboy bunny. Tragically, she died in her early ’40’s of hepatitis. Blech.
Pam Anderson has Hep C, which seems to be an occupational hazard amongst women for the promiscuous lifestyle promoted by pubs like Playboy and Penthouse in the last century.
Why women bought into any of that I’ll never understand. Maybe they didn’t after all, as your post indicates, Jen.
Brh
Hep C is easily treated now, since last year in fact, with a course of orally-taken medication.
Prior to that a 6-month therapy regimen (with what was essentially a chemotherapy drug, interferon) had great success, over 70%, but a nasty process, physically.
So, Pamela A may be with us for some time yet.
But, blaming it on sexual activity is a bit of an over-reach – there are many causes:
You may be at high risk of hepatitis C if you can say ‘Yes’ to any of the following:
Have you ever had a tattoo or body piercing done using unsterile equipment or somewhere other than a licensed studio?
Did you receive a blood transfusion prior to July 1992?
Have you ever taken drugs through needles or your nose – even once?
Have you ever had jaundice (yellowing of the skin or whites of the eyes) or abnormal liver function?
Have you ever lived in or received health care in Southeast Asia, China, the Indian subcontinent, the Middle East, or Eastern Europe (including Russia)?
Does your mother or a household member have hepatitis C?
Have you ever been in prison?
Less common risks include:
Sexual practices which may risk blood contact with a person who is infected with the hepatitis C virus
Sharing personal care items, such as razors or toothbrushes that may have come in contact with the blood of an infected person
HIV infection
Wellsir,
Tulsi Gabbard is the *only* candidate talking seriously about pulling in the horns of Empire and repairing the infrastructure (while there yet remains capital to do so). BTW, that would be a ‘jobs program’ of massive dimensions. This is a common sense approach to what is about to steamroll us all.
I’ll give ya three guesses as to why she gets no press… and the first two don’t count.
The status quo must be maintained at all costs. And who do you imagine gets to bear those costs — until they can’t be borne, hmm?
Quite telling, isn’t it? She’s otherwise very articulate, comely, and middle of the road in nearly all of her views. But dare to bite the MICC hand that feeds? Not on your life in this country. I’d like to see her team up with Gravel and go for the “what the hell, what do we have to lose?” vote. They’d never win, but they could at least get some good points out there. The MICC ain’t going away anytime soon, but it will be in the not too far distant future.
Gabbard doesn’t seem too keen on riding on the identitarian bandwagon or the pro-war lobby, so I doubt she has much of a future in the party.
Scratch – I don’t get the ‘Gravel” reference…
How about the borders though? Most jobs like that go to Hispanics now. That has to be stopped first.
Not as long as corporate America is running the show.
More to the point not as long as American kids think they are going to get $60,000 right out of high school and $150,000 right out of college!
Manual labor jobs or McJobs are far beneath our entitled spoiled brats.
We have to bear those costs. And I imagine that *they* are not too concerned about our pain threshold. They are going to do what they can to discredit Tulsi Gabbard IMO as they have done with any real threat to the status quo. They started this process months and months ago when they accused her of homophobia and being a Russian plant.
Offered without comment
Bridgeport, Ct, last week, Nelson Morales, age 55 was beaten to death inside the ‘Mambo Market’ by 3 Hispanic men, after he entered the bodega to buy a lottery ticket. Motive: unknown. Suspects: at large.
Draw your own conclusions, CFNers.
Mine is ‘we don’t need no stinkin guns’!
Brh
As the seconds tick off towards the 2020 election and eventually eternity , the last stand of the Baby Boomer Generation is upon us. Whether it is the Donald, Joe, Bernie or Liz, my generation has finally
.
I know I’m not the only one old enough to remember Eric Hoffer. I happen to be what is described in Florida as unaffiliated and no matter which wing I happen to be browsing I cannot help but think of Eric Hoffer.
What we need is more of the same, that’ll fissit fo sho!
Oh and ask the stock holders of GE how they like that free govment shit. Nah, just ask anyone who owns stock in the MIC.
clap! clap! clap!
Did you ever hear about the great deception
Well the plastic revolutionaries take the money and run
Have you ever been down to love city
Where they rip you off with a smile
And it don’t take a gun
Morrison The Great Deception
I liked him before my Awakening. But then I heard him as if for first time in his talking down of White Ethnocentrism (and only White Ethnocentrism). Same old Tribe stuff that they all do.
The True Believer was pretty good.
LBJs favorite book.
Brh
As Kevin MacDonald pointed out, they endorse, advocate, and advertise for radical individualism for Whites while rejecting it for themselves. A bunch of Cowboys loners with radical ideas are little threat. But hundreds of thousands of Catholics who believe the same thing – say Fr Coughlin’s program – could easily become millions and pose a real threat. But of course the Church has been infiltrated and ruined from the opposite end – namely the gooey type Socialism of open borders and Queer and Female empowerment.
As the seconds slowly tick off towards the 2020 election and eventually eternity, the last stand of the Baby Boomer Generation is upon us. Whether it is the Donald, Joe, Bernie or Liz, my generation is nearig its’ expiration date. Turning the country’s riches over to the globalists, fomenting endless wars of empire against non-compliant countries, usually with vast reserves of crude, filling prisons with non-volent offenders and making pot respectable are the hilites or lowlites of Boomer accomplishments.
We should be able to pass some wealth onto our progeny but who knows what those fiat dollars will be worth down the road. Maybe Gen Z, the Millenials or Gen X will do a better job. Not squandering $7 trillion in endless Mideast wars, $29 trillion to bailout TBTF banks (instead of breaking them up and jailing their officers) and passing $21 trillion of dark money from the Treasury through the DOD and HUD to somewhere unknown, is a start. Maglev trains, anone?
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Quite a legacy we’re leaving behind, isn’t it? All for a cushy corporate retirement and a shitty McMansion in a gated suburb. More like a posh prisons to grow old and die miserably in. What a life!
When everyone is gone there will be no money.
You forgot 150+ trillion in unfunded liabilities!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnmauldin/2017/10/10/your-pension-is-a-lie-theres-210-trillion-of-liabilities-our-government-cant-fulfill/#1b3352b565b1
Or a quadrillion in false derivatives!
https://www.globalresearch.ca/global-derivatives-1-5-quadrillion-time-bomb/5464666
The futures are lead and finally forged black steal to funnel that lead through!
finely that is.
>>> Mayor Pete struggled to hold in his tears…
DISQUALIFIED. Next…
Damn you, America. You are not worthy of Mayor Pete. He and his partner will now return to the planet Transexual Transylvania.
I’m waiting for President Pete to introduce his husband, Chasten, to steely eyed Commissar Putin and Premier Xi at the Summit in Moscow.
While Xi and Putin do shots of Vodka in the Kremlin, President Pete asks for a cup of Rosewater. Meanwhile, in other quarters, Chasten commiserates with the definetly unwoke Russian and Chinese first ladies, who joke thru translators of sending Chasten down the Volga in an ice flow. Back in the Kremlin, President Pete begins to lecture Putin and Xi on special rights for homosexuals and drag queens. Xi and Putin are baffled — they’re here to talk about the spead of nuclear weapons — and give each other side glances. Then and there they decide the pit of sodomy President Pete represents needs to be eradicated.
Brh
Operation Barbarossa
“Yet despite Churchill’s laudable intentions, British politician Harold Nicolson wrote in his diary on 24 June: ‘80 per cent of the War Office experts think that Russia will be knocked out in ten days.’”
Lloyd Clark
Kursk: The Greatest Battle
The TSA seems very racially, and gender diverse. And they rub your crotch with those blue rubber gloves….
Do you remember that episode of “Gun Smoke” when the black towns folks rioted after Miss Kitty and some white cowboys lynched that black bloke named Cosby who screwed that drunk crazy middle-aged white saloon girl? Fetus was shouting the “N Word” and pointing his shotgun at the angry mob. Marshall Dillon, like Mayor Pete, looked feckless….
Do they need to recruit more Iranians to work in the TSA? Do Sunni and Shia TSA goons work well together? On the Mekong Cruise ship, the Vietnamese and the Cambodians didn’t seem to get along. At one point, Charlie started freaking out when I asked for some fresh mint leaves for my iced tea on the boat.
Have you ever heard the sound of a dull heavy thud of a truncheon on a bloke’s back and then hear him groan in agony? I heard that once many years ago in China outside my hotel window at about 5:00 am. I recall that I was so sleepy that I couldn’t get out of bed.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ6Uy5paWdI
Holy Sh#t!!
Malthus, get ready to evacuate.
Dr Pinsky says Bubonic Plague is on the streets of LA right now due to millions of rats over running the city and feeding on the deitrus of 50,000 living in the streets. LA needs to be abandoned, ‘Good Vibrations ‘ is over.
Brh
“‘Good Vibrations ‘ is over”
BRH,
You’re giving me excitations….
Soooooh . . . . the “Golem” is one of either or both:
1. A [Jewish] clay figure brought to life by magic, that is “created entirely from inanimate [nebulous] matter. . . . an uncultivated person [a mask]. . . . golem is used to mean ‘dumb’ or ‘helpless’. Similarly, it is often used today as a metaphor for a mindless lunk or entity who serves a man under controlled conditions but is hostile to him under others” (Wiki)
2. An automaton, “a machine or control mechanism designed to automatically follow a predetermined sequence of operations, or respond to predetermined instructions,” (Wiki) or a robot.
IS Trump Jewish — or is he being molded into becoming Jewish? If he is Jewish, then who is the Magician that creates an animates him? To what predetermined sequence of operations and purpose? Recall the legal maxim “The Creator Controls.” Does Trump not serve his creator?
Ya know, the Golem has a town named after him now — in Is-Real, no less.
Too much magic–or, as I like to write, simulation.
“Nothing like free money” –brh
Exactly. Health care and education are human rights. We have a right to Medicare for All and a right to GI Bill for all. Free money for health and education is our birthright. I like Bernie Sander’s plans to provide education and healthcare for all. And I like the way he will pay for it. He was very specific on where the money is: we gave it to the banks in bailouts. It is time to take it back. Sanders 2020.
Breadline Bernie appreciates your support, Little Jane,
Brh
Holy cow, auburn or whoever you have been.
Money represents labor, Econ 101.
Money is not a phantom, as will be shown in the great debt collapse in the future.
I will give you an example of the idiocy of the free money campaign.
You bring up the bank bailout of 2008. Perfect example against your cause. The Federal government spiked the housing credit market with free money in the form of sub prime loans to millions of people who had no business financing a house. Then Wall Street developed methods to make securities out of these bogus mortgages. When the ARM cheap loans ran out, so did Wall Streets capital base. The government bailed out these banks because the banks had no money left. They were bankrupt. So the banks resurrected their capital bases by using money from the taxpayers. Argue that point all day, I won’t because it is a waste of time.
Well, guess what. Here we are again. This time the capital inflation is in student loans. Again we have trillions of dollars of loans to people that have no way to pay it back. We have Wall Street making securities of these loans to increase their supposed profits. The banks are on the edge, AGAIN, of insolvency due to bad debt.
Do you get it? Where the hell is Bernie or anyone going to get the money to pay off these loans en masse. Wall Street is already teetering again trying to keep its head above water. There is no money to tax in Wall Street. Wall Street is a house of cards, if anyone tries to tax Wall Street for anything to be given free, 2008 is going to be a fond memory. And millennials, if you think you have been hurt by 2008, vote for Bernie, any future you wanted will be destroyed. By the same mechanism.
Oh yeah, look at the timing of the 2008 collapse, right after the last Democrat entered the White House after a GOP turn. Obama scared the hell out of the business community and they scared him right back.
Meh.
Sanders will fund his student loan forgiveness plan through a new tax on financial transactions, which he expects could raise more than $2 trillion over the next 10 years. The tax plan will include a 0.5% fee on all stock trades, a 0.1% fee on all bond trades and a 0.005% fee on all derivatives trades.
So he will pay off all the outstanding debt, what about the new debt, and the increases in tuition that the colleges will charge once they have a free tit from the Feds.
That is what got us here in the first place.
Bernie et al is buying votes, period. We shall see how high the bid gets during the debates.
One more comment. I will be watching the debates closely looking for a breakout candidate to start rolling up the delegates. Yes, just like Trump did.
Do you think there are any Megan Kelly’s there?
Bernie is a done.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bernie-sanders-essay/
https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/05/29/410606045/the-bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy-essay-explained
This old fool is owned and will be out of the race shortly.
benr – “Owned”? What on earth do you mean? This is extremely old news, and nothing like:
> being accused of rape by 15 women,
> being recorded discussing how to sexually assault women
> how he’d like to have sex with his own daughter
none of which facts made a dent on Trump’s evangelical vote. Bernie’s 1972 piece is a nothing-burger, an essay by a 31-year-old, the point of which was to explore the changes in inter-gender relationship dynamics.
@majella
You don’t think the current round of Democrat nuts are not going to dredge up that nonsense?
I was not talking about if he gets the nod because he won’t I was talking about the first debate that actually has any heat in it.
Tonight’s 60 second forum is a joke big yawn fest.
benr – right, I misread your intent there.
Want to put something on your assertion that the ‘essay’ will be mentioned?
Mayor Garcetti is bringing back Adam 12 to clean up the city, Malloy and Reed cruising the LA streets in their 67 Dodge Dart squad car … “One Adam 12, one Adam 12, rat infestation on the corner of Hollywood and Vine, possibly feeding on a human body.”
Malloy and Reed don their HAZMAT suits. They speed up the Boulevard, siren on, one strobe light atop the Dart, passing hundreds of dead and dying on the sidewalks, Bubonic Plague rampant.
Brh
Now you are writing like Pucker. Good stuff. Mayor Pete has just been spotted ripping off a licker store. One Adam 12, One Adam 12….
What is Elizabeth Warren’s concern re: “Gay Reparations”?
Is that Reparations, or an accounting issue? Is Warren’s argument that the gays were denied the fundamental human right to file a joint tax return?
Pucker
Just another one ups to make herself stand out. I think we will have lots of one ups in the debates this week.
Reparations….
Do you remember the Coen Brothers movie “Burn Before Reading” in which the crazy, middle aged, single white woman at “Hard Bodies” is driven to desperation to get money for her cosmetic surgeries?
Tate,
I followed up on the Crazyland thread with a couple of comments today a little before and after 5 PM to put to rest my son’s use of Thom vs Tom.
500 Mom Strong is a group of women who have had enough with the sexualization of our children and the mockery of our femininity,” she wrote.
“The Spokane Public Library South Hill has decided to host a ‘Drag Queen Story Hour’ on June 15th, at 2pm. This is misogyny; drag queens are very offensive to women. They are grotesque hypersexualized caricatures of women. They mock women and debase our womanhood and femininity. A drag queen is no different than a racist donning black face,” she continued.
“The library hosting such an event teaches our sons that women are just sexual objects and it teaches our daughters that they must be overly sexualized to be desired. Enough is enough. We say NO more to a political agenda aimed at degrading women and sexualizing children. We say no to gender appropriation!”
Anna Bohach.
In response, police snipers were placed on the roof. Nothing stops Drag Story Hour. Got it plebes?
Stereotyped feminine behavior is alright when Trannies do it – but not so called real Women. Got it Alba?
I support Ms Bohach’s protest and commend her clever use of stereotypes against them. But I don’t endorse her complete pov since I believe that “stereotyped” behavior is at least partially natural or innate, though mediated by culture of course. Most women desire to be sex objects, at least sometimes. Never to be a sex object is to be destined to be an old maid.
I support replacing Lester Holt with a trannie reading the nightly news. At least we’d get a few laughs with all the lies.
As long as the Tranny is exactly the same shade of brown that Les is. Better yet, have Les himself transition gradually, much as what’s his name did but this time before our adoring/horrified eyes.
Trannies, .005% of the population, have the media and the whole lefty establishment backing them. They are in fact walking point for the Dems. Who backs 500 Moms Strong, besides God, who nobody gives a sh#t about anymore?
Brh
Got a quote for my views on transgender issues, have you, Janos?
“they are grotesque hypersexualized caricatures of women. ”
““The library hosting such an event teaches our sons that women are just sexual objects and it teaches our daughters that they must be overly sexualized to be desired. ”
So we can expect you to start your fight against wall-to-wall online pornography when exactly?
I suppose it’s because you’re a caricature yourself, Janos (some have a theory as to why) that you see other posters as caricatures and don’t even read what they say, but what you want them to say.
I wonder if it’s called ‘Drag Queen Hour’ because the dipsticks feel they are being dragged along to watch it against their will.
‘The library hosting such an event’ doesn’t teach their sons anything if they decline to go to the library on June 15th at 2pm.
I wouldn’t be there, just like I didn’t see the Pride march in Edinburgh on Saturday even though I was in town. Didn’t even know it was on until friends I was meeting told me it was and that the buses might be delayed. The obsessed see everything, naturally.
Why should children be exposed to and indoctrinated in sexual deviancy at the library???? Is it not enough that sexual deviancy is being glamorized on every imaginable form of media known to humankind in every little corner of the earth???? Is there no place where a child can simply enjoy the innocence of childhood? And please do explain how a Drag Queen is not simply a caricature of women? Why are they called female impersonators? You don’t need to impersonate something you are so clearly they are happy being caricatures. Why are they so over the top about everything? It is not about being obsessed about anything. It is about attempting to stop the corruption of children and civilization itself. You keep basically saying live and let live. Yet it is exactly they who do not believe in live and let live. Otherwise they wouldn’t be forcing this onto children in libraries.
SSL
Not for the first time, you seem to be rather hysterically arguing with a whole lot of points I haven’t made 🙂 .
I’m not into drag queens. I didn’t mind Danny la Rue as a child of his time but he was about glamour, comedy and pantomime, and was no more sexual than a bar of soap.
Where did I say anything about drag queens being caricatures or not being caricatures? You are so obsessed you fly off the handle without reading people’s posts properly.
I didn’t even criticise the angry mommies for doing whatever they want to do. I merely pointed out that the library can’t corrupt anyone’s sons if they just don’t take their sons there when the flippin’ drag queen is reading his/her flippin’ story. Which seems to be on June 15th at 2pm. Eminently avoidable I’d have thought. March as well if you want to.
“Otherwise they wouldn’t be forcing this onto children in libraries.”
Forcing? Like I said, they’re not going round with a van and a big net. Get a grip.
There’s a Canadian case right now where a couple is suing the school for teaching their daughter that there is no such thing as gender at all. Regular school, regular hours, regular class. It’s coming. In Europe, you can’t opt out of “school”. Not that bad here yet. But soon to raise pure healthy kids, you’ll have to make them pariahs.
And again you inject yourself into the argument. You’re not into it you loftily state, but you are all in favor of snipers being employed against those who protest it at a PUBLIC Library.
“but you are all in favor of snipers being employed against those who protest it at a PUBLIC Library.”
I don’t recall mentioning snipers – that seems a bit far-fetched and very American.
But the point about the public library is that it’s not compulsory at 2pm on June 15th. If people don’t go, they won’t continue the drag queen story hour. You’re the one who’s into free speech.
I consider drag queen story hours slightly bonkers, but I know that in the highly unlikely event of my almost 7-year-old grandson going to one, he’d just giggle a bit with his friends afterwards and carry on as normal.
I don’t agree with schools taking it upon themselves to teach children that there’s no such thing as gender. I’m perfectly happy for them to teach children that everyone isn’t the same and people who are different shouldn’t be attacked or bullied for being different if they’re not harming anyone else.
I don’t know what a ‘pure’ child is, although I am familiar with healthy ones. I’m guessing they’d have to approximate to the baby Jesus.
And there’s nothing ‘lofty’ about saying I’m not into drag queens. That’s just a statement of fact. The dressing up into ‘lofty’ is your doing.
‘Snipers’, he says — there’s one for the scrapbook, a very clear instance of the KIBO syndrome (knowledge in, bullshit out) at work. If Eyesore McGee doesn’t like milk, he’ll accuse you of putting spiders in it. I imagine his inner life as something like a puppy mill: very sad, and very stinky.
I wonder what is more corrupting than knowing the President of your country approves of pussy grabbing, making lascivious innuendo comments about their own daughters, raping young women doing their jobs, and bribing hookers to stay silent?
As opposed to clowns that look like exaggerated women who are being openly honest about their somewhat bizarre fascination with entertaining others.
Yet women would scratch each other’s eyes out to be with him. A high level Alpha. A veritable God. Not being able to get such a man twists women into shrews and harpies.
“Not being able to get such a man twists women into shrews and harpies.”
Are you for real? I wouldn’t touch someone like him with a barge pole and I don’t know anyone else who would.
Alpha men sound like a true pain in the arse, from what I’ve observed. From a distance, obviously.
” Is there no place where a child can simply enjoy the innocence of childhood? ”
SSL,
I did not necessarily enjoy mine….
Perhaps you could get reparations from the children of those teachers who didn’t choose you, EF 🙂 .
Now that I gather (from a nephew) that our DNA has a major connection with Scandinavia, I’m waiting for someone to exact reparations from me for all that longboat and longsword activity on the beaches of Northumberland in the 9th century. Next time we have a day trip to Lindisfarne I may have to take scones for the locals, as well as buying even more of their soft fruit and over-priced home-made raspberry jam.
Finally!!!!!!!!! TERFs versus Drag Queens. It is so on!!!!! And Drag Queens are such sissies. They need snipers because they are afraid of mothers? Pathetic….
I don’t know some of them soccer moms are pretty scary when they get mad.
They say what happens in America eventually flows across the Atlantic, and by golly we’ve got our own electioneering going on, but it wears me right out reading about your political campaigns.
The level of vitriol, outrage and personal slights is nothing short of epic. I thought it was bad here.
Are any of them demonstrating any actual ideas or leadership or are they all just engaged in identity politics and tearing strips off each other?
We get the odd moment of light relief here, Slugoon:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D92a-L0WsAEj6FR.jpg
Ordinarily I would raise a smile but I’m a little sleep-deprived and I’ve just witnessed Beth Rigby on Sky News in addition to an Adidas advert depicting what regrettably passes as today’s youth culture.
This is the kind of thing I mean. No rebuttal of Boris’ views, plans or beliefs. Just the usual negativity and ad hominem attacks. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you…
Like I say, I’m curmudgeonly. I feel like Victorian Dad from Viz living in a country to which I belong no more. Bah!
Slugoon
Really, I think you are definitely being curmudgeonly.
A joke is a joke and if you’ve lost your sense of humour, then Brexit has all been for nought…
For what shall it profit a man if he regain the whole of his sovereignty but lose that which is most British? 🙂
But such things are subjective. It was my husband who sent me it and he thought it was funny too.
I’ve heard Boris’s plans this very evening BTW AND a sensible rebuttal of each one. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about, unfortunately.
Boris doesn’t do detail. He does bluster. But I am a mere observer and will continue to observe.
I’m in a better mood this morning. I now appreciate the warm green tones in the photograph and you can’t deny that’s a good price for a patio set, even if it does come flat-packed 😉
I’ve seen a bit of Boris on TV lately (finally) and I really think he will do well if given a chance. The problem is he won’t be. Even his own party will do whatever it takes to remove him. I smell a Russia story coming on!
We shall observe together.
“you can’t deny that’s a good price for a patio set, even if it does come flat-packed ”
And with sitting tenants 🙂
Brilliant.
It has gotten really bad but a look at history of political cartoons shows at least in this country politics has always been bitter, nasty and divisive.
https://www.illustrationhistory.org/genres/cartooning-political
I don’t think the Boris cartoon is bitter or divided, benr. I think most Tories would laugh too, especially since IKEA’s a bit of a mild cultural joke as well, the way they give daft names to bookcases.
Actually I posted the wrong link.
Yeah, it was way too intellectual to be a response to my Ikea joke, benr 🙂 .
And it was an actual photo of him and Ms Symonds, not a cartoon.
I just saw him squirming during the news as one interviewer pointed out that it was an old photo since his hair was a different colour!
Also it’s taking the piss out of Boris and his latest squeeze posing while playing happy families to offset his carcrash moment of having the police called out to a domestic between the pair of them. Maybe a cultural reference you could miss, not being here!
Just curious, GA, has anyone remarked on Boris’ odd hair? One can’t be elected to lead a major nation with silly, unnatural looking hair.
hm
His floppy hair has always been seen as part of the lovable buffoon image he’s cultivated over the years. He seems to have cut it shorter than it used to be in a concession to potential high office.
As he gets chubbier, of course, he takes on the aspect of a boiled egg with a blond mop dropped on top.
It will be interesting to see him and the other famous hairdo having ‘talks’, though!
Some people are giving him two weeks as PM, before some crisis or other triggers an election.
I can’t take much more of this… 🙁
They say that a bald man could never be elected as US President, hm. That does seem to be the case so far.
We’ve had William Hague as PM and contenders like Sajiv Javid and Chuka Umunna for party leader – shiny bonces all. We seem to be less afraid of the follicularly challenged representing us!
“They say that a bald man could never be elected as US President, hm.”
Dwight D Eisenhower was quite a hubcap-head, or at least sported a major comb-over.
Ah, but could a bald man be elected now, Majella? 🙂
I don’t know anyway, it’s just something that people have said in the past. Maybe since shaved heads became Hollywood-sexy, the US electorate has moved on, follicularly speaking!
A fine distinction, ‘then’ v. ‘now’. I suspect, Cory Booker won’t be elected but it won’t be because of his hair. If Bernie gets the nomination, it’ll be a real test case, won’t it? Or do comb-overs not count?
How can we use nanotechnology and other disruptive technologies to overcome the racial, gender, age, and sexual divides so that as Beto harangues: “Everyone can realize their full potential”?
Do you remember the TV show “Crossfire” in which they’d shout at each other, and they’d never agree on anything?
They say Crossfire was a lot like a Jewish family holiday dinner, only without the gefilte fish.
Ha ha ha! I never saw the show, but you certainly gave me a good laugh.
Wasn’t Hannity one of the people?
No, Tucker Carlson and a rotating roster of other dickheads…
I’ve always written Tucker Carlson off as an entitled little whiner, but then I saw his take-down of Iran & Trump’s decision. Wow. Right on the button.
“Money represents labor, Econ 101.” –JohnAZ
So you opposed the GI Bill providing education to veterans? I think not. You are fine with “free money” … just not for everyone.
Beto now is switching gears to push “Veterans Rights”. The “Kids-in-Cages” meme didn’t get traction?
I have a hard time trusting a politician who plays an electric guitar while wearing a sheep mask.
Ditto and anyone of them with a D in front of their name.
Well I have a hard time trusting any of them actually.
Mostly because it splattered all over the Obama regime.
GI Bill is not free money. Servicemen earn their college time serving the country. Not at all like free student loans, or free healthcare.
JohnAZ
But even the lowest enlisted soldier doesn’t work for free. A quick look shows that the military option is pretty good, especially for the lower socio-economic cohorts, which explains to a large extent why Recruitment Centres are where they are.
Starting pay for a Private is $19,200 pm plus ‘all found’, while a minimum wage worker on full time (40 hours a week, if you can get it flipping burgers) gets $15,080 and carries all personal living costs, including transportation to work.
The military money gets pretty attractive if you get committed and climb the ranks – the highest NCO is E9, an SMA (Special) on a range of $60,600 to $94,000-odd. Not bad. As well, there are several pretty attractive retirement plans which you can start collecting from age 37.
There’s also all the trade & other educational courses accessible while in the service.
“Service” doesn’t necessarily mean overseas combat duty. I don’t think that living on a base in Europe, Japan or Korea for the duration of the term of enlistment is particularly worthy of the ubiquitous ‘thank you for your service’ cap-doffing.
If you DO go into combat, there’s a bonus for that too – $225 per month PLUS waiving of all taxes for that month.
So, given that it’s actually not a deal – financially & educationally – , the GI Bill looks just as much like free money as everything else you rail against.
Spoken like a true idiot that has not served in the military.
You have zero clue about what it takes to basically put your life on hold while in the military.
I can only attest to what it was like in the NAVY but your life revolved around the NAVY and the ship you were assigned to.
Your wife and children came second, your hobbies and pass times came third!
I was gone on an 8 month cruise and was away for four months of my daughters life I never got to see her born or the last several months of my wife’s pregnancy!
While in port we were in three section duty meaning 1 in 3 days I slept on that ship.
Our op tempo was usually floating in the ocean for over 200 days a year!
I find clueless short sighted people such as yourself contemptible I bet if you were old enough you would have spit at returning Vietnam vets..
I’m a bit shocked to hear some people still believe that capitalism isn’t set up to take all your money and lead you into debt.
Thats all it is, in the end. The retailers know exactly how many pennies you have in the cartegory “Disposable income”. Their market research is the best in the world. They know exactly what kind of person you are, and how much money you have in your pocket.
Netflix and HBO know how much money you are going to spend on TV and movies. Nike and Adidas know hoe much you are going to spend on shoes. The landlords know how much you will pay for rent.
Its their jobs to take every marginal penny on the dollar they can from you in their category, and the degree to which they make you overspend or subtract from payments to their competitors is the measure of their success.
College is a business, and without an apparent upper bound for what middle class families will tolerate, the price naturally rises to the threshold determined by the invisible hand of the market. Same for every commodity and good.
The only way to beat this system is radical awareness and active strategies to avoid a situation where you end up in debt or with an inability to pay.
Of course you’re not going to hear too much about the moral hazards of a market subsidy for a class (college degree holders) who can already by considered “ahead of the game” as they can typically command higher than average wages – typically.
I do think price controls are necessary in higher education. Nothing is holding these institutions back currently, from ballooning administrative staff and fluff like sports teams, landscaping, remodeling, and other non-curriculars.
Lets assume Miz Warren pays the bill for Mr. EnvSci pooper-prepper up there. Aside from an URGENT need for cash employment at the local Chuck-E-Cheez, are we to assume he will now somehow magically accrue wealth and status, and all the other bullshit modern life requires, without leaving Amherst?
The marketers are licking their chops and expecting his application for a loan to McMasters’ School of Public Administration where he’ll turn these experiences into a lifelong mission to convert every private institution to public-funding.
Well said. Let’s have a moratorium on ALL of this. Make everyone wear wrinkled gray pyjamas for a few years. Get back to basics. Show trials for Bankers and Capitalists and billionaire Socialists with AOC as the Supreme Authority as to guilt, innocence, and penalty. Gangs of youth with their faces painted greed roam the cities looking for environmental criminals. Blacks don’t have to work anymore, but most will want to work in the take from the rich and give to themselves industries.
Rural Whites mock them saying “C’mon and get some”. The Blacks, Browns, Greens, and Reds seek easier targets, begging the Army to come in and conquer the hinterlands.
Ha, Janos.
You can write a book. The progression of The Long Emergency. Your visualization is pretty right on, I think.
Hey, maybe we agree on something.
Reading Estulin’s “TransEvolution: The Coming Age of Human Decontruction”. He’s a mixture of deep insights and utter confusion. Thinks that Nazism was the New World Order and not its bitterest foe. Conflates Fascism and Plutocracy the way you do, etc. But I will read it to the end for the insights it provides. The guy is a more sober, Spanish version of Alex Jones. Alan Watts is supposed to be good too, but I haven’t read him yet.
It’d be in the sci-fi/fantasy section…remaindered.
All this, according to well-developed scientific theory of Marx, is called the general crisis of capitalism, but by the efforts of Hillary such terms are forbidden to be used as not politically correct.
And how to solve the problem, when you can’t even call it by its real name?
Finally, something worth reading from the Lil’ Snacker. Looks like you’ve put down the snack cakes, got that blood sugar stabilized, and are thinking clearly again. Keep it up. Corporate capitalism is a giant vacuum cleaner, hoovering up revenues from all over the world and converting them to profits for the one percent. Simple concept, but most people simply refuse to get it. Probably because they foolishly think that they can share in the party. Not for long for some, not at all for everyone else.
Right, Ol’ Scratch.
It’s as if the US right/evangelical cohort is pretty densely populated by aspiring billionaires, who are just waiting for THEIR big moment.
In the meantime, it wouldn’t do to criticize those august figures if you expect to join them one day. Hence, the significant number of those who vote against their own interests (viz the Tea Party).
Hey, everyone. No more freebies.
How about a two to four year service commitment by every youth in the military, Peace Corps or a latter day VISTA. You earn your salary and earn your education. Yeah, like the GI Bill.
Mandatory, like the draft.
Yes, this is National Socialism/Fascism. Good John. Make em wear Khakis and teach ’em to fight too. Of course, we’re too far gone. Any such attempt would be saddled with Queers, Trannies, Multicultural indoctrination and Black Thuggery.
We must await the Fall and the Next Civilization. And Winter comes between these two – and we must wait for the Lion in Winter to lead us into the New Age. What can I say? Surrender to Him when he appears, and be loyal to Him unto Death.
And if the Lion in Winter turns out to be the Lion of Judah (Christ), well that’d be alright too. He warned them but they wouldn’t listen. He’s not going to be playing around this time. The Carpenter isn’t laying down his hammer this time. He’s a gonna be doin’ the nailin’ this time.
Janos
Maybe if Kids were made to do service work, they might grow up a little and appreciate what they they have in this country.
You give many thoughts on the US after a governmental collapse. Not just you, what exactly do you think the people of the country really want the structure of the USA to be if they all had their way. IMO, the Left wants the Constitution abandoned to allow them total power. I do not have a clue what the GOP wants. I do think that business as usual is not going to happen
My question to both sides and you is, what goes into place of the Constitution if it is voided? Will the government of the Red states and the Cities be the same? Will there even be a central government?
It has to be amended at least. We were implicitly a White country, but anything that is nailed down in this world will get appropriated sooner or later. Now the Leftists professors deny that we were ever supposed to be White. Or that Whites even exist. Of course they know these things are nonsense, but when did the Left ever care about Truth? Facts are just weapons and the truth is just a big stick. Trump is like this too. He knows the Truth, otherwise he couldn’t have talked to White America with such passion. He just doesn’t care about it – not when it gets in the way of the Agenda or THEIR Truth.
Some say the Articles of Confederation were better in terms of keeping Government small. I sympathize, but we need a strong, central Government so I can’t go that route at all. We’d be conquered state by state that way, either from within or without. But America isn’t going to stay the same in any case. Much of it is lost because of the Mexican invasion – already part of Mexico. Other parts are lost to the Blacks, etc. So we can’t afford to lose any more of it, eh?
correction: anything that ISN’T nailed down, etc
One more thing to not forget. When the founding fathers did their thing, the country was filled with agrarian folks that worked very hard and looked to the Feds for protection of the entire country. And not much else.
Unlike the spoiled rotten gimme Leftists who are always looking for a handout from the PTB instead of earning their own way. Constantly berating the wealthy for being rich, instead of being grateful for the jobs and fiscal opportunities that the rich provide.
It is so easy to just complain. Instead of creating a path for themselves.
“…being grateful for the jobs and fiscal opportunities that the rich provide.”
Wow. You’re the epitome of ‘wage slave’ & how to ‘vote against your own interests’.
And, to cap it all off, you ask Janos for advice on running the country?
They repair the roads and bridges and rails. Our infrastructure is in ruins in case you haven’t noticed. Clean up the filth left by the illegal invasion of our Southern Border. Maybe even help build the Wall, directed by Engineers and professionals of course.
The job of the militia and the national military is to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Why the Marines are not guarding the border is a mystery?
The military trains foreign countries to defend themselves, they build infrastructure overseas, they stop foreign powers from coming here, they give up two to twenty or more years of their lives in service to this country.
Of course, Auburn, America haters like you cannot comprehend this.
It’s against the Law for the Military to protect our borders. That’s up to the border patrol who can’t handle it and have to take in asylum seekers in any case – those worms so loved by the Left.
But as Aquinas said, A Law that is against Natural Law is no Law at all and is meant to be broken.
Good morning, Janos.
Right in there with you.
The Laws that have evolved over the years stink. The natural role of the military has been distorted by a “police force” that has been hamstrung by the same lawgivers.
A no win scenario!
And yet the military is organized under the Department of Defense. Yet another oxymoron, in a land chock full of them.
The bigger the military gets, the less safe we are. It is insane to spend 1.25 Trillion a year so we can kill and threaten people all over the world. Using depleted Uranium weapons is a war crime that never goes away because cancers and birth defects will never stop happening.
How does provoking Russia, Iran, China, and Venezuela on a daily basis make me safe?
Russia spends only 60 Billion a year and now the military wants many more billions to counter their superior weaponry.
The MIC is a cancer that keeps growing and promises to kill us all.
Up until 1947, it was the Department of War, headed up by the Secretary of War. In Duck Soup, Groucho gave that job to Chico.
Your diatribe against folks putting their lives on the line FOR YOU is disgusting. You do not deserve an answer and thus no one is offered.
Hey, everyone. No more freebies.
How about a two to four year service commitment by every youth in the military, Peace Corps or a latter day VISTA. You earn your salary and earn your education. Yeah, like the GI Bill.
Not necessarily military – it could be a civil service.
For instance, in the USSR every college graduate received a mandatory assignment to some place of work – a young doctor could be sent to some rural clinic, for example.
It usually was for 3 years, during which the graduate received a normal compensation for his/her work. After 3 years, you are free to look for any job you like.
Finca
You are describing VISTA.
Volunteers in Service to America. A domestic equivalent to the Peace Corps.
Both created by the JFK administration.
The Peace Corps, service to others in foreign lands. What a concept.
And all service folks make significantly less than their civilian counterparts.
Regarding Libya’s Tragedy
Libya is the second after the collapse of the USSR example of the fundamental weakness of a secular welfare state.
Libya finally proved that in conditions of “developed socialism” (and in Libya it was probably even more developed than in the USSR), when people forget what the struggle for existence is and they don’t have a real spiritual life they turn out to be defenseless against the spread of pseudo-religious sects and information manipulations from outside.
They cease to perceive the homeland as a common home and begin to consider it a feeding trough, and citizens as competitors who need to be driven away from this feeding trough.
They forget what solidarity is and stop appreciating what they have.
And they lose everything.
And pseudo religions cannot replace real spiritual life. I’m sure that if Gaddafi tried to find mutual understanding with the Sufi orders of the Summania and Tajiks Misurata to oppose Benghazi’s Salafis and sinusitis, instead of imposing his “green book” on the fellow citizens, then no one would even try to organize an orange revolution in Libya.
Likewise, I am sure that if in the 80s the 5th Main Directorate of the KGB, instead of introducing schisms and heresies into Orthodoxy, adapting it for its privatization games, would simply fulfill its official duties, even if determined by an atheistic state, then in the early 1990s, the Church could effectively counter the final demoralization of Soviet citizens.
Meanwhile, it was this demoralization during unprecedented social and economic reforms that led to abnormal mortality in the 1990s, to a decline in the birth rate, and to rampant banditry, and to the antagonistic confrontation of “creative class” with the rest of society, which today threatens to destroy all achievements of the Russian state over the past 30 years.
After all, a person is an animal that cannot go to die for the sake of saving the Motherland, if the Motherland cannot offer him anything other than satiety and a book of red, brown or green color.
Ideally, the “motherland” does not go about asking its citizens to die for “its sake,” all the time either. And satiety should include more than a full check book of whatever color as well. The ideal government should feel like no government at all, while still keeping the rascals among us relatively in check. A difficult balance to maintain, for sure; but the good ones at least make an effort to do so.
“reparations for gay and lesbian couples”? Good grief.
To paraphrase Little Stevie Wonder, reparations ain’t the way.
More like separations, maybe?
Nah, I’d rather keep the United States united.
Yeah the idea of Whites being prosperous and happy by themselves is simply unbearable to you people.
Get real. Whites who want to separate physically can do so now. We don’t need another civil war.
So why are they bringing massive numbers of 3rd World immigrants into the last remaining White areas and States?
Do you believe that we can supply our energy needs with biological batteries grown by viruses? Sounds rather difficult to scale up. I’m not sure that I buy it…
Susan Hockfield
The Age of Living Machines: How Biology Will Build the Next Technology Revolution
Just a Tuesday morning thought.
If we have taken a position that Palestine needs a two nation solution, that there needs to be a Palestine for the Arabs and an Israel for the Jews, are we not admitting that the USA is an impossibility, that people with difference religions or ethos cannot live under the same rule of law culture . Shouldn’t we be negotiating a political peace treaty to separate into a Caucasian States of America, a Black States of America, a Latin States of America, an Asian States of America and of course Americastan. Their will be a lottery to say who gets which states and the loser gets California.
Hmmm, I believe I remember who championed the idea of the two state solution and they all belong to the USA. Maybe a forecast of what they wanted for the USA. Now who could possibly want that?
Their will be a lottery to say who gets which states and the loser gets California.
LOL! That’s a good one, JAZ.
Of course we should be negotiating a peaceful separation. I have been advocating this for a while. That is if Whites refuse to use their current majority to take the entire country which clearly that’s not happening. OMG a Caucasian States of America. What a friggin dream!!!! That would be like an answered prayer for sure.
OOOOOHHhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! *la petite mort, Jean?*
The problem with this idea is that the Left is incapable of “live and let live.” They preach diversity but absolutely won’t tolerate ideological differences.
As for the Palestinians…
What the Palestinians need is birth control. They’ve received tens of billions of dollars in aid. So far, what they seem really good at is converting other people’s wealth into more Palestinians. If the overcrowded shithole world they’ve made for themselves is any indicator, we’re far better off keeping the status quo.
Exscotticus – you make pronouncements on ‘the Left’ as if we’re all the rabid tweet-storming college professors that trigger you so easily.
Once again, the vast majority of ‘the Left’ simply want fairness, not ‘freebies’, and we want that fairness for you too, JohnAZ.
Also, we do ‘tolerate ideological differences’ – witness how many common-sense, intelligent, eloquent ‘Leftists’ continue to comment here, despite the repulsive racism and incoherent rage your ‘side’ is constantly expressing against anyone not in your racial/ideological tent. Who’s intolerant, exactly?
As to your disrespect for Palestinians (quite possibly the most put-upon, exploited & least regarded player in the Middle East), it’s just shameful.
However much the Palestinians may have received in US Aid, it pales in comparison when held up against the blank cheques the USG writes for Israel year after year, including supplying it with weapons with which to regularly slam the CONCENTRATION CAMP that is the Gaza Strip.
>>> Once again, the vast majority of ‘the Left’ simply want fairness, not ‘freebies’
The Left’s idea of “fairness” is equal outcomes. Hence all Lefty leaders advocate wealth redistribution schemes. Your Dem leaders are falling over each other promising open borders and reparations.
>>> witness how many common-sense, intelligent, eloquent ‘Leftists’ continue to comment here
Can’t. Stop. Laughing.
>>> As to your disrespect for Palestinians… it’s just shameful.
This must be the part where you demonstrate your “tolerance” for opposing viewpoints.
>>> slam the CONCENTRATION CAMP that is the Gaza Strip
I didn’t realize concentration camp prisoners have access to bombs and missiles. Tell us more!
Clearly, your reading skills require more honing.
“If the overcrowded shithole world they’ve made for themselves is any indicator, we’re far better off keeping the status quo.”
That isn’t an ‘opposing view’, that’s a slanderous distortion – how’d it get to be a shit-hole? It wasn’t one in 1947. If your community was starved of resources and constantly bombed by your well-heeled neighbor with a rich sugar-daddy supplying him, you’d be living in a shit-hole too – of your own making, apparently.
You & your cohort are just so freaking ANGRY all the time…it must be really exhausting, being constantly triggered and having to believe the unbelievable things you profess at the same time. How do you cope?
>>> how’d it get to be a shit-hole?
Gaza has been under de jure Palestinian control since 1994. No one forces them to breed like barnyard animals. No one forces them to engage in fruitless terrorism.
Under a different people, a different culture, and a different leadership, Gaza could be like Beirut once was: “The Paris Of The Middle East”.
But leave it to a liberal apologist to blame everyone but the Palestinians for their own actions. Next up: Trump is to blame for drowning immigrants.
So, you blame the broad population for the errors of the government? Sounds like the USA. Go figure.
>>> So, you blame the broad population for the errors of the government?
Huh? Citizens are not culpable for the actions of their government? Jeez is there any responsibility in your world? You do realize they have elections—just like us.
And what does the government in Gaza have to do with the choices Palestinians make with regard to “family planning” (or the lack thereof). People with no homes, no jobs, and no wealth have kids like there was no tomorrow. Why not? Liberals like Majella will pay for it—and force others to as well.
JohnAZ, that is a brilliant argument and I have had precisely the same thought for the UK. If only we could cut the country in two and relocate everybody to one half or the other along 2016 voting lines rather than racial ones (although there would be a strong correlation).
The Remainers get London, obviously, which would necessitate most of Scotland upping sticks but then Nick Clegg could drop his fabled drawbridge right over the Strait of Dover to really embrace the EU vibe while us Little Englanders get to toddle off north to live in peace free from the BBC with our Gin and tea while the plebs down south slurp on their absinthe and small beer.
(GA – you still wouldn’t find me in Thurso.)
I certainly wouldn’t, Slugoon (not that I’ve even been there).
We’ll be rebuilding Hadrian’s Wall and the Sassenachs will be paying for it 🙂 .
Hehehe, I like it 🙂
No, Slugoon, it’s actually a really STUPID argument.
Unworkable, sure, but one can daydream.
Hmmm…some would ‘dream’ of it, but not me.
“I do not have a clue what the GOP wants.” JohnAZ
Blind in one eye and can’t see out of the other. I call BS on you John.
Cheap labor, corporate profits and kickbacks, and votes. Same as the Democrats.
That’s BINGO for SSL! You may collect your prize.
Wahoo!!!!! I won I won!!!!!!! Now I hope my prize isn’t a lump of burning coal you Devil lol.
Yes,
Cheap labor, corporate profits and kickbacks, and votes. Same as the Republicans.
Maybe Scratch can squeeze that lump of coal real hard before he gives it to you. You earned it for that one.
I wonder if there has ever been a culture where profit was considered a sin.
Scratch?
A snapshot of the continuing erosion of historical America.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/06/23/census-texas-adding-9-hispanics-to-population-for-every-white-resident/
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/video-shows-illegal-aliens-streaming-texas-neighborhood-without-border-wall/
A quote from one of your articles.
‘In the next two decades, should the country’s legal immigration policy go unchanged, the U.S. is set to import about 15 million new foreign-born voters. About eight million of these new foreign-born voters will have arrived through the process known as “chain migration,” where newly naturalized citizens are allowed to bring an unlimited number of foreign relatives to the country.
15 million in twenty years relative to what American Population is now is not a big deal. You are worrying about nothing.
But if the world were getting hotter so the wet bulb temperature were to climb above 35 degrees C or 95 degrees F on a regular basis then over a billion people would want to come to America. Then there would be something to worry about. There would be an exodus from the tropics as in ‘Let my people go’. Holy Moses.
But what would make the world hotter? It would take billions of people combusting things to change climate because the world is a very big place. A layer of water molecules 1 molecule thick over the whole planet might fill a third of a small oil tanker. That is a lot of water. A cubic centimeter of water will paint a sphere about 100 feet wide in the same way.
If the world were getting hotter it would be time to complain about the ‘House Parties’ and find another way. Since that is not happening the world must not be getting hotter or the whole world would be crazy. I know my logic. I was paper trained on Mad Magazine! Thinking the whole world is crazy is crazy!
Isn’t it?
Just kidding. Somebody check my math. It is mine. I did not get it from anywhere. A gram of water will paint a sphere how big? Then enlarge the sphere to the size of the earth and see how many grams of water you get. The grams will go up as a cube as the sphere radius goes up linearly.
The Condoleezza Rice has a capacity of 129,000-tons. This is not the same tanker I used so the answer may or not be a third and the 100 foot sphere size still has to be checked.
Show your work. 🙂
The Science Dog.
You had to bring math into it didn’t you lol :-P! I would disagree however with your assessment that all of these millions of newcomers aren’t necessarily a big deal given the current US population. Well for one, the growth of the US population is all immigration driven. And what do all of these new people require? In addition to burning more fossil fuels, they require infrastructure, living space, and all the amenities and modern conveniences guaranteed to them by our open borders policies. So basically we are inviting in more sprawl, more deforestation, more poisoning of the soil and air, and more CO2 ultimately. So yeah lets do something about fossil fuel consumption. I am with you. But I implore you to see that increasing the population through immigration (rapidly btw) is also destroying habitat and ecosystems.
If you are a mom worried about what your kids are exposed to at the local library be ready to be harassed by the police and Antifa street thugs. Oh also get ready to be doxxed. This is happening all over the country. No escape is possible.
https://www.thecollegefix.com/video-undercover-moms-expose-graphic-teen-pride-public-library-event-then-get-doxxed-by-antifa/
SSL
K-Dog was once totally anon but years ago at the request of the John Bull spook contingent I was identified. In a sense doxxed. How times change now I want to be better known and am not afraid of people seeing who I am at all.
It is a well known fact I am in ‘Seattle’. I am actually closer to Renton WA than Seattle which is a whole ten miles away. The Renton city limits are less than a mile from this keyboard.
Your article is total bullshit. I can’t find anything to back it up. If I do I’ll let you know and I’ll be down to the Liberty Cafe soon enough. I’ll ask around. If I am wrong I’ll let you know, but for now your article is total bullshit.
Please do let me know what you find out. I simply posted the article. It is not really mine. But this is happening all over the country so why would I assume it is suddenly fake because it is in Renton WA? I am happy to admit and repost that the story is false if you find out it is.
I love the idea of someone “dancing in scantily clad clothing”.
Priceless.
Imagine a group of Christians using a public library in East Buttcrack, North Dakota. The Left would bus in troops from as far away as Chicago if that was ended immediately. But corrupting little kids with Tranny Monsters? Not only harmless but a Right!
*Yawn*…never read a more pathetic analogy, Janos. Who gives a toss what a group of “churchians” is doing going to the library?
My first expectation is that they can, or are finally learning to, read. You know…Occam’s Razor.
As to the triggering of your ‘morality’ with ‘Tranny Monsters’…what are you on? s GA has said, repeatedly, there’s no harm done if you don’t take your children to the scheduled event.
So you admit there might be harm then? So why should a PUBLIC institution be promoting such harm to small children? Why should dumb mothers be allowed to hurt their kids this way? Let’s go back to the old days, when such corrupt performances where done in back alley clubs late at night, seen by only the really hardcore who were willing to sacrifice to get to them.
Stop looking at me that way Ivanka, you were…uh…would have been just a little girl then. But she isn’t the type I raped…er…would have raped anyhow. Just more fake news.
What are you looking at Melania…I didn’t even know you then…er…would have known you then? Don’t believe that fake news. Look, does she look anything like Stormy? Of course she doesn’t! That proves it’s just fake news…doesn’t it…doesn’t it…hey look at me…doesn’t it…?? Stupid democrats will believe anything. Unless it’s me talking.
Little girls do love their stories!
Malloy and Reed are patrolling around Crenshaw, cruising the blighted streets in their ’67 Dodge Dart squad car, S&W .38s strapped to their hips and a war surplus Winchester model 97 shotgun locked in the trunk.
“One Adam 12, one Adam 12, report of a man down in the Mambo Market at the corner of Crenshaw and Avenue. Please respond.”
Malloy pulls over and he and Reed put on their Hazmat suits, just one of the changes they’ve had to get used to since being called back to duty by Mayor Garcetti to clean up the city of LA. That was right after Bubonic Plague exploded out of the homeless encampments near city hall, and rats overran the whole of LA County.
The Dodge Dart speeds to the scene, tinny siren blaring, one strobe light spinning on the roof. Up and down Wilshire Blvd plague infected people lie on the sidewalks.
A large group of Hispanic men surround the Mambo Market, all liverish, with the pallor of Hep A,B,C, & D victims.
“It looks like he was beat to death,”
“Don’t touch the body, Reed. Its infected”.
Brh
Bubonic Plague!
That dirty rat!
SoftStarLight, I’ve been railing now for I-don’t-know-how-long that people have to see what’s under their noses.
So, a tip of the hat to unfortunate reality, what you’re saying is true, that people are tribal and one of those tribal markers is skin color. It doesn’t have to be just skin color though as we’ve seen in the Balkans in the last 30 years. Just look at the ungovernable mess that Bosnia is in. They’ve had Croat and Serb and Muslims living cheek by jowl for how many hundreds of years, there being no discernible racial difference between them, yet civil war is just a grenade toss away.
But you don’t have to go overseas for examples, the USA is example numero uno, with North and South fighting a Cold War since 1865, the descendants of two founding settler groups still at daggers-drawn as we see week-in and week-out in Washington. It astounds that the animosity, even after 150 years, is as alive as ever.
What we have here are inter-locking wheels, one of these being a small coterie of American Oligarchs funding both Democrat and Republican to run a sham democracy, another wheel being that of the economically ruined US interior, yet another wheel being one that’s been turning for at least a couple hundred years, that being a struggle for power between America’s two founding ethnicities, North and South.
Now, it case somebody thinks things can’t possibly turn kinetic, we have the spectacle in Oregon, where a Democrat governor is threatening to have state police do a round-up of recalcitrant Republican state legislators. And, guess what, militia groups are giving the Republicans armed protection.
Don’t say I didn’t tell ya, because I did tell ya, that these armed fellas out there in the vast expanse between the coasts would become a factor to be reckoned with. And now it appears they’re taking their first tentative steps out of the shadows. It was just a matter of time. People don’t get gunned-up because they’re happy campers, they do it because they’re not. For one thing, moving people’s livelihoods overseas and ruining their lives and then pissing on them and insulting them is just a sure-fire way to get trouble of the high-velocity type.
So, where does this take us? It takes us to a place that was easily avoidable, but wasn’t avoided. As I’ve been saying, economic class is one fracture line, another is the age-old fissure between North and South, but we have to give reality its due, so is the racial divide lovingly stoked lately especially by “wokesters” for the purposes of their own self-glorification but especially their own power.
It really is like somebody said not long ago on this site, sooner or later you’ll have to choose sides. And it won’t be a surprise that I have one in mind but I would prefer that it not be racially segregated because that falls into the hands of people that would divide and conquer, people that I have no time for given that they ruined not only the US but much of the formerly prosperous West.
You can’t replay history. It would have been better that slaves weren’t taken. The conquest by Mexico of the west and southwest happened and so did the conquests by the USA of 1848 or thereabouts. All these things left effects still evident today, none of which can be wished away. All you can do now is make the best of it. But choosing sides based on race is in my view making the absolute worst of it.
So decide not to be tribal. You have a brain.
Everyone has a bulb of neurons encased in bone, not everyone makes the best use of it.
The people that tell us they’re the best of the best, the brainiest IOW, distinguish themselves with an evident lack of what they insist they have the most of. For my part, I put the most credence in what I personally see and hear. And I judge people by results. And this is my conclusion.
Insofar as personal survival goes, and that of your family, you kid yourself if you think you can go it alone. Maybe some people can, but most people don’t have the repertoire of ability and knowledge our cave-man forebears had. Those robust people, whose remains we find under rock ledges, were apparently all-rounders, surviving and prospering in small groups. But nowadays, in today’s environment where we encourage specialization, we say “it takes all kinds” because it really does take all kinds.
When it hits the fan and, as sure as we sit here, it WILL hit the fan, we’ll have to make common cause with others, to render help and to get help. OK, don’t get “tribal”. Society will have to re-form on some basis, so find another word for it.
distinguish themselves with an evident lack of what they insist they have the most of
Yes, crackers and snoots with enough brains to score 115 on an IQ test always be claiming they are 160 IQ geniuses when only one in more than 11 thousand actually are. Shows they are not very smart I think. It is the same way in everything.
Point taken about going it alone. If that is what is meant by picking sides OK, and in that way, my standard is high.
Another word for it is a good idea. Tribal sends mixed messages and people banding together to help each other is a good thing.
Did you catch the video of Jussie with a clothesline draped around his shoulders? A noose left there by Trump KKK! The cop asked if he wanted to take it off now. Jussie: Ok, I don’t want this filmed. Yeah, right!
Is this worse than the flaming tires used by Winnie Mandela and others in South Africa?
I have known countless White humans with
oops….with IQ 115. I have known only 1 who claims
super genius IQ.
First he said you have to choose a side in a Tribal war. Then he said he isn’t going to choose and doesn’t think you should either. Does that makes sense?
It does if there is a secret third option that he doesn’t want to talk about – namely that he is already a member of a Tribe that has its hooks into both sides. Needless to say then that his advice to non-members is the worst advice imaginable.
I admit there other factors besides race and that Red and Blue Whites aren’t going to bet along. The Blues intend to use their Non-White clients against the Reds and are already so doing. The Reds, many of whom work with their hands, intend to bring down the grid against the Blues, turning their cities into nightmare villes.
Don’t forget the polka dots.
Um, no, I said that making alliances based on race is falling into the hands of the present-day Oligarch elite whose policy it is to divide and conquer with their “identity” politics, race being one of those identities. So don’t fall into the trap.
Their aim is to enhance their own power and wealth and the more we subdivide ourselves, the more we help them and the more we cut our own throats.
Hah, we are already divided. And the Elite have picked sides – Not Ours.
I’m with Janos on this one V. You were making sense to me when you began by stating that people are naturally and inherently tribal. Then it all fell apart when you said that we shouldn’t choose sides based on our tribal identities. That is the problem. Whether we want to admit it or not that is what will eventually happen. We are headed back toward a more natural arrangement of things. Whether that happens by choice or by disaster it is coming. And you are comparing two very different types of people. People who exploit human differences for their own gain and people who recognize that humans are different and go about attempting to uplift their own people, not always at the expense of everyone else btw. That is worthy of a different post.
So Trump says his sexual assault accuser “Is not my type.” Which prompts me to ask what IS his rape type? Just wonderin’, is all.
Big tits.
Or his young daughter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHLjm9kHFe8
I have read that mushrooms are fond of wet, dark, warm spaces.
Well, they do call him Tiny Hands donnie.
Gay Anderson cut to a break very quickly once the nutcase started talking about how sexy rape was – way too much Truth being released by the nut, clueless as to how it mitigated against her case and credibility. But such is the nature of nuts.
No, that is how he plays people. He is an expert manipulator who talks like a 4th grader on purpose. He does it to play with your mind. He is outrageous in a very devious way because it is a way to hypnotize people Rosie O’Donnell. You push solidity at them at the same time their brains are filling in blanks. I think that is how it works. Scott Adams explains it here:
Dilbert’s author.
He is a sharp blade in the hands of his superiors. He plays his part very well. I think you are right about the hypnosis. Many of them have such techniques. Trump certainly does as well.
‘In the land of the blind,’ so goes the saying, ‘the one-eyed man is king.’
How about the tale being a fabrication. Why do people continue to believe the female side without any proof. What did PT Barnum say?
How come she announces just after he announces his campaign. Don’t you recognize just another Liberal set up to try to smear Trump. How many more are going to happen before the media and the public ceases to give them a voice. Probably never.
Just add this lie onto the skyscraper of lies the Dems have gunned. The Collusion lie is the penthouse.
When did this alleged rape happen?
1966?
1981?
1987?
She’s just getting around to reporting it now?
MSNBC and CNN will be flogging this story for about the next week or so; after that it will disappear never to be heard about again.
Brh
Where are all the lawsuits he promised before the 2016 General?
If this one is ‘yet another liar’, sue her! He’s just so full of crap.
Important
https://www.amren.com/news/2019/06/thomas-dissent-rips-into-kavanaugh-scotus-opinion-over-racial-politics/
The Negro, Clarence Thomas, is the only real Originalist (as in upholding original intent) on the Supreme Bench. Sometimes Gorsuch. The rest of the Conservatives have accepted the Left as their moral superiors and merely follow at a respectable distance.
The Negro????
Yes, Thomas is a Negro. You didn’t know that? Amazing I know, but true.
Appearances can be deceiving but we both know what the hair on the coke can proved.
I do not have a clue what the GOP wants. That is because they spout off one thing then another and their end result is the same as the other side. The end result is power, in all forms. Money, women, bragging rights, profits in all forms, There is no good side to raw power.
However, put them both in the same bucket and call it the Deep State, those that believe that Washington DC should be running everything.
The parties that need to compete are the same as it was before the Civil War. Federalists and States Rightists.. Central power versus disseminated power.
Newcom of California may be right, the GOP is losing its relevance to the Deplorables who want disseminated power. The GOP, Bush, Romney, Sessions etc., are obsolete, their message does not ring true any more.
Unfortunately, the same thing is happening to the Dems. No revelance, Leftist socialism will never be accepted in the US.
However, if the Browns from outside the US come to outnumber the Europeans, socialism may take over. At that point, the USA won’t be worth much anyway.
The Democrats are getting to the point where whites are abandoning them entirely, except for a dwindling number of ageing hippies, and they are being forced to rely on blacks, the LBGT-whatever movement, environmentalists, and illegal immigrants to win elections. They think since whites are now becoming a “minority”, they can just ignore them. However, what everyone is missing is that Asians are the most rapidly growing minority in the US, and most Asians aren’t overly supportive of socialism or Democratic priorities. Blacks have been stuck at 12% of the population for many years, and so aren’t going to have much more influence than they have had on national policy. The Republicans could swing things by getting serious about the environment (Conservatives used to be in the forefront of conservation), and by paying attention to what Asians want.
What Asians want. It should be a good fit. That is what Americans want too.
Which sort of shoots your getting serious about the environment in the paw.
The other factor is that of inter-marriage. What I’m reading is that off-spring of Asian and White tend to identify as White. And Hispanics are more and more identifying as White.
Whoever stops talking about peripheral identity issues and starts talking about work-wages-health care-education wins the election. Liz Warren showed a real character issue with her claiming to be amerindian. Really pathetic. But she’s the one talking about some real bread and butter problems.
The condition of Hispanics is not good. I don’t see them as necessarily a Democrat constituency with Democrats constantly rattling on about gays and trannies. Whoever addresses the material needs of Hispanics ie decent jobs at decent wages, gets the Hispanic vote.
Where have you been? Asians tend to identify as White.
Ok, I guess I missed it. Which is pretty much what Asians are color-wise anyway. Don’t mean to constantly repeat myself but like I said to SoftStarLight not too long ago, if you drive from the English Channel to Beijing, you see faces change little by little from “White” to “Asian” with a whole lot of people along the way a mix of both. There’s tribes of neighboring Bushmen in Africa that are more genetically distinct from one another than Frenchmen are from Japanese, yet the Bushmen tribes would be regarded of being of the same race and Nip and Frenchie of different races. What sense does that make? “Race” as a concept stops making sense as the classifications become incoherent.
So again I pose a question V. If you truly support human diversity then wouldn’t you be interested in preserving these unique gradations of racial makeup that you are pointing out? Just because some groups have only slight differences between them and those that surround them does not mean that they are now all one and the same. Again, its fine that you are always wanting to find similarities. However, you will find differences too. So see, the differences still matter, even when they are slight differences.
Do I truly support human diversity? I think I truly support letting people boff who they want.
What you’re talking about I would leave to individuals to sort out on their own. If you’re attracted to someone, you’re attracted and natural selection will do its thing like it always has. Boys want the exotic fragrant flowers in the next village as opposed to the blooms they see next door. This is nature’s way of ensuring against too much in-breeding with its deleterious effects. Likewise I’ll bet the gals want the warriors over in the next valley as opposed to the paltry specimens they grew up with. Same idea.
What “race” are the folk in Indo-China? You see a wide spectrum of skin-tones and facial configurations which tells us the process of admixture has been underway for a while. Let ’em at it and nature will sort things out.
The White homelands in Europe weren’t always white. They’ve found skeletal remains of sapiens who lived in post-glacial Europe from whose bones they were able to get good DNA samples. And it turns out that the DNA pointed to brown skin, brown hair and blue eyes. Modern Europeans most resembling those ancient, prehistoric hunters are now found on the shores of the Baltic Sea. Go figure. But this is nature’s verdict.
Opinions differ but it seems that White folk probably came from somewhere in western Asia in the vicinity of the Black and Caspian Sea because that’s where you find nowadays most frequently the genes giving rise to white-ness. And it looks like the mutations giving rise to de-pigmentation arose sometime in the last 25 thousand years. And they maybe got a firm foothold because of farming culture and a grain-based diet. Same with East Asians. I’ve read that there are several possible mutations that de-pigment skin, some of which you see in Europe, some of which you see in Asia, one or two of which you see in both.
The sameness or differences between groups of people becomes a statistical exercise, ie counting frequencies and distribution of mutations and gene types. There’s no “race” that’s pure, and what they’re saying is that there’s more genetic difference found within racial groups than there is found between them, subsaharan Africans being the most genetically diverse, Whites, the least genetically diverse. Australian aborigines may be similar in skin color to black Africans yet Australian aborigines are are the ones most genetically distant from Africans. Again, go figure.
What “race” are the folk in Indo-China?
Indo-China? Your question distracted me from considering current affairs in the Belgian Congo 🙂
The White homelands in Europe weren’t always white.
Here’s something interesting. We don’t know, really, what Neanderthals looked like. Oh yes, there is a truckload of imagery ‘out there’ purporting to depict Neanderthals — they have been positively Disneyfied, much like the dinosaurs — but no one has ever discovered a frozen-in-the-ice Neanderthal. For all we know, they were furry.
Black and Caspian Seas?! C’mon, Volodya, you need to re-read your Reich mythology. White boys all emerged from Thule Air Base, or something like that …
Yeah, I’m talking stuff here.
Cheers
Orcs and Wild Men are ravaging Rohan. Theoden, newly awakened and still with Grima Volodya’s poison in his mind:
Theoden: I would not bring open war on my people.
Aragorn: Open war is upon you whether you would or not.
Theoden: Not all Wild Men and Orcs are bad.
Aragorn: They are here to kill your people and therefore they are all bad until they go back to where they came from.
Theoden: Not all Rohans are good.
Aragorn: So?
Theoden: So what right do we have to keep out anyone?
Aragorn doesn’t say anything but merely beheads the Mad King. The head keep talking until he throws it into the fire.
If Blacks identify with their race, and Hispanics, etc and Whites don’t does that insure peace? How? Why would it? It insures Whites will be easy pickens. So much for his “advice”…..
One house party and you don’t belong anywhere Everybody has beer in a cup and they all dress different than you. Nobody gives you a cup. A dozen conversations and you are not seen. You leave.
The other house party has friendly people. They grab you and pull you in. It is crowded and you wind up in a tiny kitchen against the refrigerator talking to another refugee. But you both have beer.
You don’t care that your beer is warm. You don’t notice that everyone in the living room sends everyone new back to the kitchen. Which is really having its own party. Everybody in the kitchen still wants to be in the living room. But there is not enough room and everybody has pared up and is negotiating there. There won’t be new room in there for a very long time.
To bad the boys and girls in the kitchen don’t know they will never get into the living room.
We want and need men of your ability. But you want to be with the cool kids who don’t want you. I ignored the cool kids so thoroughly that they starting feeling I was cooler than they were. As C.S Lewis said, the Ring (of inclusion and exclusion) is among the deepest of human metaphors.
And you also still want to get into the first party, Madiba’s Party, too. You need to learn Yoga, or the art of focusing and freeing the mind and heart. Zen would probably be best for you actually.
PSA: In Case of Rape by an Orc or Wildman
It’s only rape if you label it as rape and resist. The police have a lot to do tracking down Rohanian Rebels and Racists – won’t you help out by just accepting the situation calmly? It may not be your best sexual experience, but who knows? In any case, just stare at the ceiling and think of England and Alba.
LOL looks like Alba has completely avoided this one. Her open support of the Muslim takeover of the West on past threads revealed her inner desires for a patriarchal society. I suppose its ok if the patriarchal society is dominated by Sand Men. But she couldn’t tolerate for one instance a patriarchal society dominated by White Men.
I beg your pardon, SSL?
“Her open support of the Muslim takeover of the West on past threads revealed her inner desires for a patriarchal society.”
You should be ashamed of yourself, but you never are. I might revert to asking for that apology for your appalling insult upthread.
Are you telling me I have to respond to posts that are beyond demented now?
What if Janos meant what Alba actually means, since he included ‘England’. Am I supposed to be so narcissistic as to assume he’s directing his tripe at me?
Have a look in the mirror, for goodness’ sake.
Alba you say I am demented and crazy no matter what I post. Now I will apologize that I misunderstood what you were suggesting up thread. I took it that you were suggesting I would be for you know what because I appeared to be on Tate’s side of the issue. Clearly you understood my point and basically agreed so we can move beyond that as I don’t feel slighted or upset or anything and I hope you do not either since I am apologizing for that misunderstanding. Now as far as saying that you revealed an inner desire for a patriarchal society. Well Alba it seemed like on previous threads when we were discussing Islam that your were protective of it and wanted to be sure that we include Muslims in our society. Ok so fine. But I do have a problem with that because they are so primitive. And if you think men in our culture are misogynists I truly believe that you will be very unhappy once the Muslims take over. So if I have gone too far then I am sorry for that but I feel like you need to disavow any support for Islam if you have problems with misogyny.
Thank you for the apology for the outrageous accusation upthread. It isn’t great being called ‘disgusting’ by someone who can’t be bothered to read a post properly and always assumes and presumes.
Why did you jump on Janos’ post and draw me into it just to make trouble? Why would I reply to something that ridiculous? I’m not going to respond to a post where some idiot who’s supposed to be a Catholic is making a joke of rape. Sorry. I don’t get your system of values and I never will.
As for your repeated nonsense about my supposedly being ‘protective’ of Islam, where to you get this from? Seriously?
Islam is completely bonkers as far as I’m concerned – you do actually know that from what I’ve said many times. I just wish you would stop this nonsense about Europe being ‘taken over’ by Muslims and there being some grand plan to replace the current population.
I’ve asked Janos this question twice and got no answer, so let’s see if you can help out. The EU has been paying Turkey since 2016 to host a refugee population of several million Syrians to prevent them from crossing the border into the EU and adding to the number already there. How do you reconcile this with your mad theory that the EU wishes to replace the European population with Muslims?
Just look at your sentence again:
“Her open support of the Muslim takeover of the West on past threads revealed her inner desires for a patriarchal society.
Are you not remotely ashamed of making up nonsense like that?
As for misogyny, again, why do you make up rubbish about my supposed belief that ‘men in our society’ are misogynists? You seem unable to talk other than in caricatures. I’m married to a man; I have brothers and had a father. None were or are misogynists. I’m not suggesting that everyone is like Tate and never have.
I also find it curious that you worship what you call a ‘Sand Man’, but I suppose there’s no accounting for people’s lack of insight.
Islam is completely bonkers as far as I’m concerned
Careful, GreenAlba. You don’t want the Chinese gangster Fat Wa to come looking for you.
Cheers
He and his Fat Ma have a restaurant about 4 minutes’ walk from my house, montsegur. I’m sure it’s a cover 🙂 .
Still, there’s the little mosque and community centre between me and them and you know what they say – you don’t need to run faster than the tiger, just faster than the other person you’re running with!
I answered too quickly there and misread your meaning, montsegur, as I was thinking more about the current Muslim er…re-education camps and flattened mosques in China.
But on a more serious note, there seems to be a lot of leeway from what I can see. There are quite a few well known irreverent Muslim or ‘Muslim’ comics around here these days and they don’t seem to get any flak at all.
Although currently a bunch of Muslim parents are engaged in a hoo-hah at a school in England where they’re not happy with the ‘no outsiders’ programme running in the school, which includes such subversive ideas as homosexuality just being a thing.
Funny how religious polar opposites can have shared agendas!!
GreenAlba,
Well, you know, there are plenty of wonderful individuals from all over ‘out there’.
Where people get hung up is the collective “presentation” of groups, and too often groups don’t get along with other groups because the “presentation” differs, even if only in matters of detail.
This IMO is where the rub is today. Technology has brought us to a point at which there is no need to ‘blend in’ or submerge into a culture into which one has immigrated — because it is so easy to keep in touch with the old country and keep an expatriated mirror of it going with one’s fellows who share the same origin.
That doesn’t sound problematic until one pairs it with what I mentioned above about group dynamics. The more divergence in the “presentation” of different groups, the more the sparks fly and the more the social fabric is rent.
And yes, I expect to see an uptick in the harassment of, and attacks on, those whose sexual behavior is officially disapproved of by Islam. Moderate Muslims might not support such harassment and attacks, but the expectations of the group will very effectively censor their concerns.
Cheers
The funny thing about the English school hoo-hah, montsegur, is that (besides many of the Muslim parents having no problem with the programme anyway, as you suggest regarding the moderate Muslims), the local iman is much more liberal than the parents!
We are all so fond of our caricatures. There are imams in some mosques who are sympathisers of things we almost all disapprove of and others who are learned and refined men who aren’t at all out of place having an erudite discussion with the Archbishop of Canterbury over tea and sandwiches.
Janos, between you and me.
I agree with a lot of your assessment of the roles of ethnic groups in this country.
Yes, the overwhelming influx of folks, “not like us”, is changing this country to something that is inferior.
I believe part of the role of the Federal government is to regulate exactly who comes in here so that the country maintains its goodness. And yes, I believe that the European culture is what has made us no. 1. But other cultures add considerable spice to life as long as their goal is to join our culture.
Immigration of folks dedicated to becoming “White” In culture and assimilating adds to our culture. However, folks who want to change our culture to theirs are an anathema and should not be allowed to enter the country. It is like inviting in an enemy and wondering why he is stabbing you in the back.
Whatever it takes to regulate the folks entering this is a good thing in my eyes. All you folks that think otherwise, please just commit suicide now and get out of the way.
We sure would lose a lot of Dems.
Okay, everyone. I have painted a target on my back. Have at it.
Not really just take a drive through North LA aka the San Fernando valley it’s more Mexico then parts of Mexico now.
Oh. Like it was when it WAS Mexico….right…
Actually no because no one lived there it was virtually EMPTY but every twenty or so miles there was a fine Mission you could take refuge in until the Mexican government closed those and left several thousand people scattered up and down the entire state of California.
Mexico actually owned California for only about 30 years and has zero claim to it now. They are trying to take it over using the pressure groups like La Raza and Reconquista movements. They both push brown pride vata or is that vaca? Tell me do you equate brown pride or power to the same lower level of hell as white pride or power?
Honestly Majella quit trying so hard to troll you need to go sit in the corner with the pointy white paper hat labeled DUNCE.
You want the scent without the flower. European Culture without Europeans. It cannot be. We are unique. Just because we can be dragged down by Negroes doesn’t mean they can be lifted up to our level nearly as easily. It doesn’t work like that. We have a lower nature, but they don’t have much a higher nature, you see. And even if they had, say like the East Asians, it would manifest differently as the East one does, to produce their own unique culture.
In short, you didn’t listen to Christ’s, “Beware the “leaven” (teachings) of the Pharisee.
Likewise, We Whites could never have created Chinese Culture. They are unique.
Why would we want to it?
And yes, I believe that the European culture is what has made us no. 1.
I have painted a target on my back. Have at it.
== Arizona John.
Ok, here we go – your beloved “European Culture”, at its best!
Plan Ost
Many people are not aware that several years ago the plan Ost was declassified and published in Germany – the Germanization project for Eastern Europe, that is, the mass extermination and resettlement of Russians, Poles, Ukrainians.
Long time considered lost, the text of the plan was found back in the 80s, but then it was the Germans who hid it. Now anyone can get acquainted with it on the website of the Faculty of Agriculture and Horticulture of the Humboldt University of Berlin.
The publication of documents from the state archives was accompanied by an apology. The Council of the Faculty of Agriculture and Horticulture of the Humboldt University stated that it regrets that one of the former directors of the educational institution, a member of the SS, Professor Konrad Mayer, did so much to create the “General Plan Ost”.
“German weapons conquered the eastern regions, for which the struggle has been going on for centuries. The Reich sees its most important task as soon as possible to turn them into imperial territories, ”the document says.
For a long time the text was considered lost. For the Nuremberg process, they got only a six-page excerpt from it. The plan was the Imperial Security Directorate General, and the Nazis burned down other versions of the plan along with other important documents in 1945. The “Master Plan Ost” with German thoroughness shows what the USSR would have expected if the Germans had won the war. And it becomes clear why the plan was kept in strict secret.
“At the forefront of the front of the German people against the Asiatic region, the areas of particular importance to the Reich are marked. To ensure the vital interests of the Reich in these areas it is necessary to use not only the power means and organization, it is just there where the German population is needed. In a completely hostile environment, it must be firmly rooted in these areas, ”recommended in the text.
Yevgeny Kulkov, senior researcher at the Institute of General History of the Russian Academy of Sciences: “The Lithuanians were going to be deported to the Urals and to Siberia, or destroyed. This is the same thing practically. 85 percent of Lithuanians, 75 percent of Belarusians, 65 – western Ukrainians, residents of Western Ukraine, 50 percent each – from the Baltic states. ”
Comparing the sources, the scientists found out that the Nazis wanted to relocate 10 million Germans to the eastern lands, and from there to evict 30 million people to Siberia. Leningrad of the three millionth city was supposed to turn into a German settlement of 200 thousand inhabitants. Millions of people were supposed to die from hunger and disease. Hitler planned to destroy Russia finally, dismembering it into many isolated parts.
Based on the instructions of the Reichsführer, the SS should proceed from the settlement primarily of the following areas: Ingermanlandia (St. Petersburg Region); Gotengau (Crimea and Kherson region, former Tavria), Memelnrava region (Bialystok region and western Lithuania). Germanization of this area is already on its way back to Volksdeutsche. ”
It is curious that the lands beyond the Urals seemed to the Nazis such a wrecked territory that they were not even considered as a matter of priority. But, fearing that the Poles exiled there could form their own state, the Nazis nevertheless decided to send them to Siberia in small groups.
In this regard, it is not only calculated how many cities will have to be cleared for future colonialists, but also how much it will cost and who will bear the costs.
Here is the statement of the Board of the Faculty of Agriculture and Horticulture of the Humboldt University of Berlin dated May 28, 2002 regarding the Ost plan –
https://www.agrar.hu-berlin.de/…/i…/profil/geschichte/gpo_ru
Here is a link to the Ost plan published by the faculty itself – http://gplanost.x-berg.de/gplanost.html
In the photo: At the opening of the exhibition “Planning and building a new order on the
East ”March 20, 1941. Conrad Meier (right) tells
Reich’s leading foockelers (from left to right): Hitler’s Deputy Rudolf
Hess, Heinrich Himmler, Reichsleur Buler, Reich Minister Todt and Chief of the headquarters of the imperial security of Heydrich on the plan of the Ost plan – the Germanization of Eastern Europe
https://scontent-mia3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/64819193_10215105579057133_294479231444844544_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_oc=AQmJdXb4EWtmOG7uedFKFj_BYqSTO-SCIx5hTaKohLRBdr-yRc-BS2H56QZ2RGmP5cY&_nc_ht=scontent-mia3-1.xx&oh=35c5cbf3f0a32e2c193b28e0e06661c0&oe=5D80F091
No doubt the current colonization of Ukraine by the Fourth Reich, aka the “European Union”, is a continuation of Plan Ost.
Yeah, I think I remember that Hitler documented that plan in Mein Kampf. His aim was to turn the world eventually into an Aryan paradise.
I also remember that America, and Australia too, were places that misfits, convicts, second plus sons went to because they did not fit into Europe’s ideas of nobility and peons, or religion du jour. Leftovers from the Middle Ages. Entrepenueurship and work ethic is something that came with them from Northern Europe and continues in “our genes” today. THAT is what is being undermined.
Is Nazism a freak accident of the 20th century or it is something deeply imbedded in Western European culture, especially France and Germany and is rooted in genocidal Crusades against European Christianity, starting from England’s conquest by Wilhelm the Bastard?
I think you are right Finca. Nazism is the end result of the Drang Nach Ost belief, back to the Teutonic Knights.
However, Russia bites back 🙂 We aren’t weak.
Maybe Europe is a conglomerate of many very different tribes way back when. It has been a conflagration ever since as each tribe tried to dominate and eliminate the others.
Ethnocentrism the second human failing after power.
And I think the onslaught of ME folks is going to reignite the flames that had started to die down with the EU.
Germans, Francs, Spaniards, Scandinavians, Russ, Greeks, Romans they are all different. The Nazis, Hitler was just the latest of the domineering attempts.
Everybody, take another shot of Wild Turkey!
There it is.
Shots of Wild Turkey all around!
With a beer chaser.
Brh
Nothing new here look at the plan of San Diego what the Mexican government had in store for people across the desert southwest.
I love Russia because the people are genuinely friendly and open.
I can’t ever imagine waging a war against them.
Good point, Pete.
Russia is our natural ally, let’s hope the cold war period was an anomoly.
Brh
Turns out Joe Biden is rolling in the dough, what with a $3 million beach house in Delaware and a 15000 Sq ft mansion in Virginia. That’s no problem when you get $250,000 per speech, and he gives alot of speeches. How’s this is going to go over with the Red Guard cadre — who have made a virtue out of poverty — the core of the Dem Party, is anybody’s guess.
Brh
Let’s play a game here in the CFNation.
Every time somebody mentions ‘Hitler’ on this board, you