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In a nation afflicted by fads, crazes, manias, and rages, mass murder is the jackpot for nihilists — begging the question: why does this country produce so many of them? Answer: this is exactly what you get in a culture where anything goes and nothing matters. Extract all the meaning and purpose from being here on earth, and erase as many boundaries as you can from custom and behavior, and watch what happens, especially among young men trained on video slaughter games.
For many, there is no armature left to hang a life on, no communities, no fathers, no mentors, no initiations into personal responsibility, no daily organizing principles, no instruction in useful trades, no productive activities, no opportunities for love and affection, and no way out. This abyss of missing social relations is made worse by the everyday physical settings for everyday lives based on nothing: the wilderness of parking lots that America has turned itself into. Such is the compelling myth of the New World as a wilderness that we obliged ourselves to re-enact it, minus nature, including human nature, especially what may be noble and sacred about human nature.
The old truism sticks: when nothing is sacred, everything is profane, and what could be more profane than slaughtering your fellow humans en masse, for no good reason? Just because you felt like it at the time? Another time, you might feel like scarfing some tacos, or checking in on the free porn sites, or tweaking some crushed-up oxycontin. One message from the culture of anything-goes-and-nothing-matters comes through loud and clear: if it feels good, do it! And if you feel bad, do something to make yourself feel better.
The wonder is that the way we live these days hasn’t turned more people into homicidal maniacs, considering how many are out there feeling bad in this grotesque landscape of incessant motoring, vivid purposelessness, and lost aspiration — unless these bloody skirmishes are the precursor to some more general outbreak of murderous havoc. It’s not hard these days to imagine the political animus ratcheting up to something like a new civil war. If it works out that way, it will be the most psychologically confused political event of modern history.
The Walmart is the perfect setting for these ceremonies of nihilist wrath. The sheer size of these places makes the “consumers” inside feel small, and informs them that they are at the mercy of colossal forces for their pitiful daily needs, their Hot Pockets, their disposable diapers, their roach spray. The shooter is just a momentary concentration of everything else grinding the dignity and meaning out of American lives. The bad karma in these dynamics compels some periodic release. Cue some young man jacked on his own hormones and a comic book conception of human power relations.
I’m not persuaded that a ban on gun sales will do anything to prevent more of these deadly episodes because there are already too many firearms loose in America. But it is probably necessary to make some kind of statement, say a ban on military-type weapons, and I rather expect that will happen. But the political process of recognizing what really ails this society is mired in bad faith, idiocy, and neuroticism. And the political actors are signaling their ineptitude clearly, which only adds to the sweeping demoralization of everybody else.
We await a restructuring of American life into real communities of people working together at things that matter, and it will require the demise of the things that have worked so hard to destroy all that, namely, the tyranny of the giants, the town-killing Walmarts, the suffocating monster of government, the media manipulators of reality, the too-big-to-fail banks. The people alone won’t loosen the grip of these monsters and, honestly, they lack the will to even imagine life without all that. But history onrushing will do it for them, first in the form of a financial fiasco that upsets the meaning of what “money” is, and all the instruments calibrated in it; and then with an economic collapse of supply lines and activities that we can’t afford to carry on anymore.
The people may have to be dragged kicking and screaming into that new disposition of things, just because it’s so hard to let go of what you’re used to. Something like this appears to be underway now in global business and markets. For a while, it will only add to the confusion. Clarity is a lagging effect.
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There are going to be no ready solutions for this sort of things, simply because our culture is too broken to actually generate them, much less support them. This is the sign of a culture and civilization in decline. See https://darkageprep.com/2019/08/05/deadlock/ for more on this topic.
There is no shared culture anymore.
I think there is a shared culture out there these days, but it is based on negative attributes. The main attribute most everyone I encounter shares is hustling. Whether it’s trying to hustle someone out of a buck or hustling to stay a few hours ahead of bill collectors/homelessness, everyone seems to be running at top speed to just stay even, let alone get ahead.
Another attribute seems to be information oversaturation and overload. TV screens are everywhere these days bladting us with how inadequate we are and how much better we’d be if we’ just by this crap right here. It also helps to create endless debates over shite that doesn’t matter, like sports teams, and political nothings the create more division and rile up people over crapnthey likely wouldn’t care about at all if not constantly prodded.
Also, we are an angry and cruel culture. A large srgment of our population loves punching down. With vengeance! They want people who have suffered to suffer more, and put it on TV so they can watch and feel superior to those losers. Don’t believe me? Start checking out the bumperstickers on the cars running around out there. You’ll see a lot of fingers flipping you off, and other nice, joyful memes and imagesnreflecting anger. I’ll bet the angry one ones outnumber the innocuous or pleasant stickers three to one or more.
Considering my observations over the years, I personally am betting things get much uglier for a while before they get any better.
Apologies in adavance for the typos in my screed above. I know better than to try typing on mytablet.
I had noticed any typos reading it the first time, TiredOfTheTreadmill, so I went back for round two and found a couple of typos that you probably had in mind. I actually misread on one of them, but as a result we have coined a new word, and you are entitled to all of the credit (or blame) for: the typo was ‘crapathy’. Congratulations!
EX: “I’d put down my Mega-Soda and Monster-fries, get up off of my ass and actually ‘give-a-shit’ about something, but I’m feeling SO crapathetic just now! Like everyone else it seems, I’m just filled with Crapathy!”
Human beings seem to be far better at morning tragedies than in preventing them. And don’t worry about typos, it is content that matters.
Evening tragedies are also bad.
I meant mourning sorry, but you knew that.
Typos actually matter a lot because they have a strong affect on the content of what you’re saying. It only took me about 2 seconds to realize that you meant ‘mourning’ instead of ‘morning,’ and in that 2 seconds of confusion, I completely lost the thread of what you were trying to say.
Not that I particularly care, and in any other circumstance I wouldn’t have bothered pointing that out. But in this case, the fact that you tried to tell us that words don’t matter, and that somehow ‘content ‘ is separate from your actual words being correct and making sense, I thought it was worthwhile to point that out.
Thank you for pointing that out Devon, and I understand that this can be the case, but when you consider the magnitude of stuff that I (or we) have to get through each day, losing a few because of spelling errors in a post is simply a sacrifice that has to be made. In fact, not to be dismissive in any fashion, to lose those that would be lost under such circumstances may be sad, but expected. Again, thank you.
Yes, I see what you are saying. We have a common culture solely geared toward what we can produce economically. We do not have a culture that values the actual people who produce things. Nor do we appear to value actual community. So with that being said I imagine that you are exactly right when you say it will get much uglier before it gets any better.
I try not be so cynical about what I see out there, and there are lots of good people doing good things. But seeing the larger picture and trend is something I have always done fairly well, and the larger trend is kinda scary. I hope we can change our trajectory, but I have also hoped I could play drums with someone like Boz Skaggs, win the lottery, be an adventurer like Indiana Jones, etc… Still hoping on those. Hope is nice, but I don’t rely on it.
SSL:
what do you mean? Who is stopping any ‘shares culture’?
Is someone/ thing/massive Uber governmental force stopping you from barbecues with you and your racist white supremacist family & cohort?
No. I didn’t think so. ‘You need to refocus and recenter’…
Yes, we are a nation of sociopaths with little actual feeling for others. What you see is simply self-promotion in the form of virtue signaling.
Look at Bill Maher, darling of the woke crowd, who has stated numerous times that he wants an economic meltdown in order to remove Trump. When reminded that this would put hundreds of thousands out of work, and make many of them homeless, he replied, “It’s worth it.”
Of course, he won’t suffer at all.
It’s not just the Left. The right wanted Obamacare to fail no matter what. Yes, it’s not perfect healthcare, but they just wanted it to fail or be killed so it couldn’t work. Both parties are in it to make only themselves look good. They don’t care about the toll on us. Just as long as they personally win.
Which brings up another point about our culture. We are at a point where winning in itself isn’t enough. No, the loser must be raped, pillaged and plundered. Everything is defined in terms of war metaphors: business, sports, politics, etc… It’s winner take all and screw those worthless losers, who cares if they can provide for their family, we won. Screw ’em. Looks like we’re reaping the rewards of such thinking.
I agree with your assessment though it seems like the spoils of the “war” go only to those at the top. The bases of both parties are left basically unfulfilled. The rich keep getting richer and though they feign competition they’re on the same team.
This afternoon I was at a local Mexican restaurant in Marina del Rey and a family came in with their ~7 year old son. He had a new haircut for school. A full-on Mohawk style. He sat at the table with his IPhone on his lap, neck bent down as if he was studying the circumference of his navel. Once in a while he would pop up to take a drink of his Shirley Temple, then back into the position.
The adults chatted away as he enjoyed his tech time. I tried to imagine how his neck/spine/brain will impact his future if he keeps this up. Then I recalled a recent study saying that future generations may well be impacted with this abnormal musculoskeletal arrangement, permanently.
Just 30 years ago I was bringing my kids to this same place and they spent considerable time sitting at the table eating and talking and occasionally tearing around raising hell. And today they still sit straight and enjoy talking amongst themselves and their friends.
I think over time we will discover not only the social/mental deficits having these phones has caused, but the actual physical problems as well.
Chiropractors, I predict, will be prospering well into the next thirty-forty years just trying to undo the damage these devices have done to our upper bodies. As to the social/mental problems, we are talking years of intensive therapies to help the current and future generations to heal from the damage tech gadgets have wrought upon the human race. Face to face, heart to heart connections, once lost in wasted youth can never be retrieved again.
Sad.
There’s a space of cement on a wall on the road where I park for work. It’s constantly being graffitied and painted over. Last week, the graffiti was: ‘We only create (large heart – love, I’m guessing) OFFLINE. Friends, family, workmates’
It was painted over by last Monday…policy, I suppose.
The other day, I found myself in a waiting room with about 12 other people. For some reason, I had left my cell-phone at home, so I had no choice but to look through the magazine pile for something to read. As usual, nothing: People, US, Vanity Fair, etc. Sclocky rags devoted to the cult of personality. Giving up, I had no choice but to settle back into the moment and observe: every one of the 12 other people in that waiting area were totally absorbed by their cellphones. Had I remembered to take my cellphone with me when I left the house I would’ve been No. 13. Maybe I learned something that day.
“Everywhere I go, every town I visit, you don’t see any industries,” he said in the interview. “You don’t see any factories. You don’t see anything. We don’t make anything. We are really the poorest country on earth, but people refuse to see that. We are only surviving. We are only looking good because of our military might, because we are an empire. But this force cannot go on forever. It should be so obvious that we’re only chugging along, bullying people into lending us money and sending us stuff that we don’t deserve, that we haven’t earned. How can we survive? Hundreds of thousands of Americans have been reduced to living like savages in this self-proclaimed greatest country on earth.”
Martinez Celaya
Source: https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-artist-as-prophet-2/
I enjoyed reading your your response to the weekend’s mass shootings. I had a different reaction, which was to see if I could reconcile my plan to write about entertainment on Sunday, as I usually do, with trying to address the shootings. I was able to do both, as I found that ‘Point of View: Sandy Hook Promise’ was among the Emmy nominees for Outstanding Commercial. That was a chilling public service announcement, but it did the trick. It won’t win, though. I think that’s between Nike’s “Dream Crazy,” which Colin Kaepernick narrates, and Netflix’s “A Great Day in Hollywood,” which recreates the photo A Great Day in Harlem with African-American stars of Netflix shows. If it were up to the viewers, the former would win. Since it’s the Television Academy, I think the latter will win. I think the television professionals will not be able to pass up something that tells a good story about themselves that they want to believe.
In other collapse and decline news, the latest government statistics confirm a record low U.S. birth rate during 2018. On the one hand, zero population growth. On the other, not enough people to sustain business as usual. I should be careful what I wish for, I might get it.
I took a different approach too.
http://chasingthesquirrel.com/
And Neon, don’t worry about worrying about business as usual. It does not matter what you think. BAU is going to be changing with or without you.
Now this is interesting.
https://8ch.net/index.html
is down.
I was able to read the manifesto early Sunday morning. The fool thought he was a revolutionary.
You guys do know about the manifesto?
Foolish me, of course you do!
I did not have to read Mein Kampf to realize that eliminating Hitler was the wisest course of action.
Good for you. If everyone had been as smart as you then there never would have been a Mein Kampf in the first place.
I read the manifesto as well as several case studies of other crazies from FBI files. Posted at 8ch.net/index.html it was. A personal mystery was solved too. The FBI uses facsimiles of documents. They even index them. That is something I have seen before. Now I think I was supposed to make the connection.
You can read the manifesto. It is not so deep that you might drown.
There are many fire hydrants over that way that need to be watered my friend.
It was on Drudgereport. For the whole World Wide Web to see.
“The people may have to be dragged kicking and screaming into that new disposition of things” No mentors? No discipline, no self-control, no *sacrifice* . It is soooo unfortunate that ‘they’ eat that lamestream media’s BullSH! characterization of ‘reality.’ Insatiability – entitled imbeciles, spoiled rotten bratz. Unabashed consumerism to the point of a mantra – Amerika or the highway, moFo.
2.5 years left – and they gunna be *PHUN* …
Hi Z. Long time no see but you were never far away.
How do you know its not actually 2.58 years left?
SSL – ain’t that a digital acronym as well?!… At Any Rate (AAR – heh), It’s gunna be *PHUN* . And U no *IT* !
“The people may have to be dragged kicking and screaming into that new disposition of things” No mentors? No discipline, no self-control, no *sacrifice* . It is soooo unfortunate that ‘they’ eat that lamestream media’s BullSH! characterization of ‘reality.’ Insatiability – entitled imbeciles, spoiled rotten bratz. Unabashed consumerism to the point of a mantra – Amerika or the highway, moFo.
2.5 years left – and they gunna be *PHUN*
…what HE said…I think….
This will happen more and more – as Sartre said, without an infinite reference point, no finite point has any meaning. This is a meaning crisis.
Sartre was 5 foot tall and thought the Black Panthers the coolest.
i.e.. He was a weiner.
You’re thinking of Genet, not Sartre.
“especially among young men trained on video slaughter games” Noooo. They’re all incels, but they prolly play a few video games. Cause? 2-ton death metal coffins, hitting a daily 1.5 gallon gasohol quota, on asphalt-concrete-metal-glass desert suburbia sprawl. And don’t forget, cell phone delinquency.
Exponential extraction, which *NEVER* figures in external costs, leading to exponential depletion, pollution, and destruction, this is the cause. Literally burning anything left on the surface.
May the Forests reclaim the asphalt-concrete-metal-glass-desert suburbia sprawl.
You’ve been reading JHK far too long. It’s hilarious to watch him squeeze his same old talking points into whatever has happened lately. Everything that’s bad is happening because of suburban sprawl, happy motoring, the gender confused and of course, evil Democrats. JHK is a hard right old man for whom there’s is no joy on the horizon. You may have noticed that Kunstler went to the same excuse for these mass shootings as every Trump apologist on cable. And THEY got the idea from Trump’s soulless speechwriters. That excuse is of course that’s its those vile video games that are to blame. It’s again the very definition of a shell game. Look over here while I’m doing this over there. Race baiting, gays in the military, revisiting a woman’s right to choose. The right is masterful at pushing that which doesn’t matter to the forefront, and with slight of hand pushing what matters out of sight.
And a naysayer shared this,
The government would have us believe that flamboyant gays present at the Pulse Night Club in Orlando were suddenly not taking cell phone video of themselves during the standoff that went on for several hours.
The allegedly ‘killed on scene’ gay-hating Islamic perp Omar Mateen was the son of a former US intel asset in Afghanistan.
A female ‘cardiologist’ and DEM candidate for the FL House Sidt. 48 named Elizabeth McCarthy, who was also ‘interviewed’ on TV about her work saving the victims of the Pulse shooting, has now been outed as having made up her story.
I believe Mateen also worked for the largest private security corporation in the world, G4S. Bigger than Academie (formerly Blackwater).
Damn d00d, that’s almOAst as k00ky as the moon landing hoAxerz@@
Hey BRUH!!!
Mateen not only worked for G4S but it turns out that G4S was sued by the families of victims in the Pulse nightclub shooting.
And in reference to the “human moon landings” in the 1960’s and 1970’s, I think it is all a huge crock. When NASA scientists are asked now why we haven’t been back in 50 years! they say, “the technology is just not there.”
And there you are, BRUH!!! 🙂
Hey bruh the tech is there the money is not.
Obama all but gutted nasa!
What is on the moon exactly that can be used to make more money?
Put it in context new f-35 is a billion dollar per plane investment.
Cycle that up by 100 times what it would cost to land people on the moon now and you are looking at a 100 billion or more no incentive.
I agree with everything you said, JHK. But until someone solves the problem of societal ennui, the old principle applies.
To stop a bad guy with a gun, it takes a good guy with a gun.
It may be counter-intuitive and unacceptable to many people on this site. But a lot of responsible, vetted citizens walking around with concealed carry licenses (and their guns) just might be able to stop the crazies before the death count goes sky high.
the problem of societal ennui
Does this mean we gave peace a chance and found it too boring for our instincts?
I’ve read that American society was headed for trouble when the frontier disappeared. Could be we would have encountered this social fragmentation earlier had World War II not occurred.
Cheers
Actually at the time of World War II , we were taking a break from immigration. Society was much less diverse and immigrants largely assimilated. The frontier era ended a hundred years ago, the age of industrial jobs had been in decline for fifty years, so the need for mass immigration of poor people is now an obsolete paradigm. We obviously have plenty of poor folks who need rehabilitating to the new reality in this country. One might have to mow yards and hang sheetrock instead of playing video games and taking opioids.
No one raises the question of how many people do we need in this country. Is society toning to be better in fifty years if we let a million more poor people , their offspring , and extended family in every year. That might mean a hundred million more. Even the Chinese know there are too many Chinese, if you get my drift.
I sometimes wonder what LBJ and Ted Kennedy were thinking when they changed immigration laws in 1965. They must have been so eaten up with victory disease that they thought inside every person in the world was an American waiting to pop out. Turns out , not so much
TK and LBJ were fools or knowing pawns for TPTB.
Imagine a citizen militia, armed, trained, deputized, 10 million strong and packing heat. The deep state would shit its pants. We might actually take back our country.
>>> To stop a bad guy with a gun, it takes a good guy with a gun. It may be counter-intuitive
It’s not counter-intuitive at all. The police are an example of good guys with guns. But obviously LEOs can’t be everywhere all at once, and are ultimately just a thin blue line.
Also not counter-intuitive is the idea that we all have a right to meaningful self-defense. And just in case the concept of self-preservation is too much for some, the highest laws in the land uhold and support it.
We’re a law-abiding nation. Most people are good and law-abiding. There’s an expectation of justice. Therefore, it makes sense to leverage this aspect of our culture. It’s win-win: good for the individual; good for society.
The big GOP elephant in the room?
“Suspect Patrick Crusius’ alleged motive for the Saturday shooting at the Walmart in El Paso with an assault-style rifle has renewed focus on President Donald Trump’s messaging at rallies and on social media as it relates to Mexico and Mexican immigrants.”
Does GGG bear any responsibility for inciting weak minded followers to put into action what GGG tweets and rallies about? The brown masses are bad, they are invading us, “they are murderers and rapists.”
Divisiveness never ends well. I know, he DID NOT pull the trigger.
However, you slice it, what this kid is worried about, the Democrats (Blue Wave) taking over the country is inevitable given the demographics. That is, unless some of y’all plan on killing a WHOLE LOT more browns, blacks, etc. Numerically, very difficult situation for Red ‘Murica. I’m just sayin.
>>> Does GGG bear any responsibility for inciting weak minded followers to put into action what GGG tweets and rallies about?
Remind me, when was the last time the Left took responsibility for… anything? THOUSANDS die in Dem-controlled minority-controlled cities. 20 people? Try adding a few zeros.
There were 24 mass killings under Obama. Trump wasn’t around. Please direct me to where the Left took responsibility and blamed themselves or Obama.
>>> Remind me, when was the last time the Left took responsibility for… anything?
So your standard for the once upon a time, virtuous Republicans is what the dems do? I remember when the R’s had the “moral” high ground, they were the “Christian” party, the party of “moral fiber” and strong character, but I guess that’s not expedient anymore. Right, Ex? LOL.
If the Dems rule in a certain way, then you are fine with the Repubs doing it. I thought the Repubs were SOOOOO much better that the Dems. but you Ex, put them on the same exact level. Is that where you see them, as the equivalent of the Dems?
Let us see, how can we twist animosity towards browns and love of guns, etc. to be the fault of the dems, not the Repubs…. let us see???? Mental illness.! That’s it, the gunmen and the president are crazy…. somewhat plausible, no?
Redirect failed. So the answer is—no—you can’t point to the Left taking responsibility or blaming Obama. Check.
So Ex, you believe that political parties are in the business of taking responsibility for their actions and that I should be able to easily find that on either side? Is that about the size of it?
Newsflash for you Exo-attorneo: POLITICIANS TRY TO SHIFT BLAME, not take it on! I’m talking about both sides of the evil divide. Unlike you, I know the socialist Dems are no damn good, but I also know that the Repubs are no earthly good either.
Why don’t you get on board instead of running with your tribe on every little issue. They both suck big-time, but I suspect you might already know that in your heart of hearts, but I may be wrong.
jdhines,
This may interest you:
“The Dayton shooter was an Elizabeth Warren (and Bernie Sanders) supporter who advocated for socialism, communism and supported Antifa.”
I won’t take up a lot of space with quotes from the article. But apparently from his Facebook postings, this shooter was one of your own left-wing Trump haters, jdhines!
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-05/dayton-shooter-was-pro-satan-leftist-who-supported-warren-sanders-antifa-and
“Redirect failed. ”
In fairness, Exscotticus, your own response was a ‘redirect’ from jdh’s question, ‘Does GGG bear any responsibility for inciting weak minded followers to put into action what GGG tweets and rallies about?, which you didn’t answer. The purest whataboutery. In fact, what I’ve just seen Trump say, with my own eyes and ears, on the news just now is a repudiation of what he’s said (and/or solicited from his base) so many times at his rallies.
Bearing in mind the later post by from hmuller, both sides need to take responsibility for their actions and words.
GreenAlba, I thought my answer was implicit in my response.
The suggestion that Trump is responsible in any way for the unlawful actions of a psycho is ludicrous. Free speech does not cover imminent lawless action. If you think Trump violated this then post a link and encourage a lawsuit and/or his impeachment.
Please don’t water down the term “responsible” and the concept of cause and effect by misapplying it. Please refrain from post hoc logical fallacies.
The fact is that BILLIONS have heard Trump speak for YEARS—and none of them went out and committed mass murder. Indeed, I could just as ludicrously argue that Trump is “responsible” for PREVENTING billions from committing mass murder with his words.
When do we get to see the concrete evidence of Trump’s “animosity toward browns”?
Also, notice I ask this at least once on every JHK post and none of the wokesters ever respond with evidence.
>>> When do we get to see the concrete evidence of Trump’s “animosity toward browns”?
Didn’t Trump just go out of his way to help A$AP Rocky in Sweden? Clearly an example of Trump’s racism and anomosity toward minorities.
Notice how these examples don’t count as exculpatory evidence? This is why it’s best not to give the Court of the Left any credence. Facts that don’t fit the narrative are ignored. It’s a Kangaroo Court.
“GreenAlba, I thought my answer was implicit in my response.”
I obviously missed your implicit answer, Exscotticus. My main point was that you referred to a ‘redirect’ when your response seemed just to be a ‘redirect’ as well. My fault for joining in uninvited, obviously, but no, I didn’t see your implicit response. My failing, clearly.
And no, I’m not suggesting any direct responsibility on the part of Trump, just a contribution to the zeitgeist that makes the unthinkable thinkable for evil or twisted people. I think that using vocabulary like ‘invasions’ and ‘rapists’ has consequences. The responsibility remains that of the shooter.
But I’m interested in the way Trump is so clearly backtracking from his previous modes of expression, as if someone’s told him what to say. Previously white supremacists were ‘good people’, now they’re er… not. Trump is very good at inciting other people to chant unpleasant chants, smile at them and give that ‘look at them, what are they like?’ smile after winding them up, then distance himself from what they’ve actually said (as in ‘send her back’).
Just like the time he forwarded a tweet, containing lies, sent by a Britain First racist, without bothering to check if the content was accurate. When challenged, he just said he was just forwarding the message and had nothing to do with it. Meanwhile the lies have made their way half way round the world in proverbial fashion, with Presidential approval, before the truth has got it trousers on.
He’s good at this stuff. But you’re right that the responsibility for the shooting lies with the shooter. I never believed any differently. Just as the crowds supporting Hitler and getting roused up at the thought of their ‘internal enemy’ can’t be accused of being directly responsible for the concentration camps. But every little helps.
>>> Previously white supremacists were ‘good people’, now they’re er… not.
Straw man. And rather naive of you to accept, or dishonest of you to promote, the Left’s fake news interpretation of what Trump said or meant.
Show us a direct quote or video of Trump saying white supremacists were good people. Show us the entire quote in context.
jdhines “…weak minded followers…”
REDUNDANT
There are no other kinds.
So true!
And yet you follow your thoughts and posts are hardly original so there it is include yourself in that weak minded lot and worst of all your posts all lack logic, reason and common sense.
bendover – easy for me to believe you have trouble keeping up with my posts.
@evilyn
None of your posts show you to be the brain trust you believe yourself to be..
Your opinion of yourself is only matched by your insipid hubris.
Bentover – You really fucked that sentence up. It seems to lack sense, logic, and most of all grammatical correctness. Why don’t you start over and try it again? It might be helpful to you to say whatever you were trying to say in a coherent way. When you know you’ve expressed yourself in gibberish it doesn’t sit well with the ego, especially a fragile one as in your case.
Benr – your posts could STILL use some punctuation, please. It’s only polite.
What Evelyn said! So much more useful, end. I’ve been on about your incoherency for months. I recall you claimed it as a badge of pride originally. Now, it just makes you look like a trailer-trash ‘deplorable’ . Get your education shit together FFS.
But it annoys you school marm types so much!
benr
You might find it difficult to get a job working for Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Minister for the 18th Century, never mind ‘school marm types’.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-rules-staff-language-grammar-spelling-a9022981.html
Brexit Britain is to value these things, apparently.
Re British Imperial measurements (mentioned in the article) it’s always amused me that the US has continued to use these when it could have made a stand. 🙂
The Dayton shooter got taken down quick. Police responded fast but still 9 died.
An armed society only deals with the symptom and not the cause.
These men blame the world for their problems. They are not rational and a personal stressor in their life has tripped them over the edge. An edge that you can’t come back from. The beliefs they have are excuses and copied from others. Truth is these men don’t know any truth and they are emotionally messed up. They are confused, ostracized and alone in a culture which worships violence.
Culture did not look out for them so:
Kaboom
Yep. As long as the alienating cultural concept of “I’ve got mine screw you” prevails, such shootings will continue and likely increase.
That says it well!
I don’t get the impression that these mass shooter’s have the attitude: ” I’ve got mine” They are far from content or happy with their lives. Most don’t get laid, or like an egg “laid once then put on a shelf’.
No, people who think “I’ve got mine, screw you” are defensively armed. Violate their property and you may get shot, but they don’t go out and commit acts which will end their lives in prison or a body bag..
I don’t think the shooters have that mentality. They are bred and raised in such a place and are a by-product of it. I’d argue that for the tough exterior many may present, this culture actually is quite violent, incoherent and maddening to many people. Hence the results we see in these shootings. So far the old tough love of “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” BS doesn’t seem to be working that well. Given that reality, I fully expect our “leaders”, the punditry and the average peons to double down on solutions that won’t work, but might punish people. That is what we have become good at.
As for the term incel, I prefer the word cluecel since these idiots often aren’t involuntarily celibate, they are cluelessly celibate. If they didn’t act like, well, themselves, maybe they could get laid. Cluecel also us similar in pronounciati to Clouseau, as in the clueless Inspector Clouseau.
“I’ve got mine screw you” echoes the culture that shapes these crazies and a different cultural attitude would discourage these mangy lone wolves. There is much confusion between symptom and the cause in all this.
Dogs who do this are (1) not normal. I’ll come back to that but lets go with (2) first.
(2) is that these dogs don’t have shit. Dogs who shoot are angry and left out. Typically they blame their problems in life on external influences and everybody else. The fact that they might have something to do with their own shitty predicaments is something they are incapable of understanding.
(1) All these dogs are lone wolves without abiding deep relationships with other dogs. They are socially warped and stunted. Isolation produces them. Left to their own devices humans can warp themselves in an infinity of ways. Cultural devices can prevent such warping. Rituals and such. American rituals are always about death and exploitation. That does not help.
Yes but people like this are constantly pushed to the margins and intentionally ostracized. The real question is how to successfully integrate them into society. I would assume that might require that society quit scapegoating particular groups. But societies typically don’t do that since scapegoating helps to remove blame often times from those who truly deserve it. Real solutions will never be considered and will always be marginalized. And the problem is in such a diverse country based only on economics and money making there will be no way to come up with an agreed upon common value system or culture.
I agree. The problem is the concept of “we need to do…” or “if we did this then…”. It’s safe to assume that the level of organization that we see in present society is the best we’re gonna get and the expectation, or even hope, that we possibly can do better is naive.
I believe we could do much better actually, even if only theoretically. But our society now doesn’t appear capable of truly dealing with the pressing issues of the time. Ultimate responsibility falls upon the individual and a decent society is comprised of responsible and engaged individuals. And the rub is that our society is not producing enough responsible and engaged people and until that changes it is naive to believe we can do any better.
You might be right but most of the leadership in USA isn’t capable of thinking outside the box, the best solutions aren’t given clear thought.
Jerry, it is worse than that. The leadership’s policy making is constantly being overrun by the pace of events. The speed of change has outstripped the ability of the leadership to react in a timely manner, and the delta between the two processes continues to grow apace.
Cheers
Which leads to the inevitable question of how terrible said “leadership” will be as this collapse really gets moving. At that point their cognitive dissonance will still have Repubs rambling incoherently about Making America Great Again while Dems argue over high school teen drama issues as the world melts around them.
The ONLY thing I expect our “leaders” to maintain as their #1, only thing on Earth that matters, issue is keeping the powerful and wealthy in their positions of power and wealthy. NOTHING will be spared in this endeavor.
>>> To stop a bad guy with a gun, it takes a good guy with a gun.
So where were the good guys HM??? I’d venture to say there our plenty of guns in Texas (an open carry state) and in Ohio and no shots fired, except by the gunmen. It’s not counter-intuitive, it is simply nonexistent for the most part. Las Vegas massacre, nothing, Sandy Hook, nada, Colorado movie theatre, zip, etc., etc. But, I know, we need more guns….
So your answer is to keep guns out of everyone’s hands – the good and the bad. How’s that working for you in Chicago, in Baltimore, and everywhere else? Did you notice the bad guys always seem to get their hands on guns? I know, blame that on Republicans.
If someone breaks into your house in the middle of the night, would you rather be armed or unarmed? Simple question. Please answer.
And there are instances where a bad guy was stopped by a good guy with a gun. The MSM has a policy of neglecting to mention that detail.
Armed, of course. And I am armed with pistols and a shotgun, but NO ASSAULT Rifles. I don’t need an assault rifle to stop some low life. Do you think everyone and his/her brother should have an AR15 at the ready? Please answer.
I have two ar-15s but I’m with you, I don’t think just anyone should have one. And a shot gun is better for home defense at night. At least buck shot won’t travel through the wall and kill your neighbor.
Yes, everyone should have an AR-15 at the ready, If only to express the will of the people when globalist ass-holes try to topple a legally elected President.
Did every mass killer use an AR-15? Did most? If every AR-15 is confiscated will the mass shootings slow down or stop? Or will the shooters use other firearms?
I think banning the AR-15 is just one step in the goal towards banning private ownership of all guns. The AR-15 (unlike the military version) doesn’t even fire bursts, it shoots one bullet at a time, like any automatic weapon with a clip. So what is the big deal with making the AR-15 America’s bogeyman weapon?!
This drives me crazy how you lefty types appropriate language and make shit up.
Assault rifle is a rifle used in an attack on another human.
The “AR” in “AR-15” rifle stands for ArmaLite rifle, after the company that developed it in the 1950s. “AR” does NOT stand for “assault rifle” or “automatic rifle.” AR-15-style rifles are NOT “assault weapons” or “assault rifles.
The term Assault rifle is meant to be fully automatic if you want to split hairs but even that term is somewhat of a joke.
As far as calibers go the .223 is a joke and the slightly heavier 5.56 ain’t much better.
Swing by a gun store and compare them to say a 30-06 and get back to me!
Hell an 8mm round is far more lethal!
After watching the behavior of Democrats for the last 20 or so years I believe most Democrats should not even be allowed a BB gun since the vast majority of these types of events are triggered nutty Democrats hopped up on SSRI’S.
Benr is showing a little bit of his typical stupidity. The .223 round is particularly destructive to human flesh because it is so high velocity and the bullet wreaks havoc in the body cavity because it tumbles.
Personally I don’t believe the entire population should be punished because of the crazies who use tools the wrong way. Probably millions of people own AR-15’s, collecting them all would be an impossible task and the attempt would precipitate worst carnage than we’ve ever seen.
For many it would be worse than separating them from their kids and locking the kids in cages.
EvelynV,
>>> “Personally I don’t believe the entire population should be punished because of the crazies who use tools the wrong way. Probably millions of people own AR-15’s, collecting them all would be an impossible task and the attempt would precipitate worst carnage than we’ve ever seen.
For many it would be worse than separating them from their kids and locking the kids in cages.”
That’s a valid and legitimate argument. I understand it and agree that it would be very difficult to collect them. It’s probably not a good idea to take their property, as the cure may be much worse than the illness. Many of my friends and some of my family own them and handle them as they should – responsibly.
To confess, jdhines, I don’t own an AR-15 and never have. They are too expensive for me. But I don’t mind “responsible” people owning them. We agree on that.
I sense Evelyn’s comments on kids tossed into cages references the situation on the Mexican border. I don’t like to see people suffering either.
But I also think good parenting means you don’t take the kids on an arduous desert trek on foot, attempting to illegally cross an international border – knowing some time in lock-up awaits those caught.
By the way, they used the same cages when Obama was in office, and no liberal had a shit-fit about it.
@hmuller
Bingo with current politics it’s all about talking points and most of all scoring points.
Democrats don’t care about kids in cages unless it is happening during a hated Republicans reign!
All the gun BS is nothing but distraction since all of them are protected by armed bodyguards.
It’s only we the little people who should not have protection.
Borders and walls are racists yet they all live in wealthy often gated communities with armed guards.
Yeah, cuz Mexico is such a peaceful place! The more Mexicans we have, the more violent America will become, one way or another.
benr,
As you well know, if you were in the military for any length of time, the issue is projectile velocity, not mass. Ask any VC or NVA regular if they think the M16 5.56mm / .223 round is a joke. Have you seen first-hand the havoc “the joke” .223 round can make? I have. Talk to any Nam vet and then get back to me.
By the way, how many military forces around the world use the 30-06 round in their military (assault) rifles. I thought so.
“With the AR-10 and AR-15 designs sold to Colt, Armalite was left without a viable major infantry arm to market to potential manufacturers and end users.” Who the f#@k do you think makes the M16, right winger?
“The M16 is an assault rifle used by the United States since the Vietnam War in 1963, based on the AR-15. Since 1975, the M16 has been used by many different countries. It is currently the standard infantry rifle used by the United States Military Forces. The rifle is being used by over 80 nations.
The M16 uses the 5.56mm NATO (.223) caliber cartridge, with a muzzle velocity (the speed of bullet leaving the rifle) of over 900 meters per second (over 3,000 feet per second), and has a maximum effective range of 550 meters, with a rate of fire (how fast the gun shoots) of approximately 800 rounds per minute.”
Every dipship right winger should have one! Really? Is that one you think?
I thought rednecks were supposed to know something about guns? Go figure!
@JDHINES
The reason why the 30-06 round is not used is one of WEIGHT IE how many you can carry and not one of velocity.
Yes the .223 is a hopped up version of a .22 round super charged.
You have shown your ignorance for all to see in this one simple post and I do mean simple.
There is a difference between the military grade m4 and the civilian ar-15 pretty large one in fact.
Go ahead and try and shoot 800 rounds per minute even from a military grade M4 and see what happens.
Go sit in the corner with your dunce hat on!
Another leftist turd pretending they have a clue.
Poor lil Socialist anti-American Constitution hating troll.
benr,
I reiterate: Have you seen first-hand the havoc “the joke” .223 round can make? Either you have or you haven’t. If you have you might not classify the .223 as a Joke. You might want to check with the ER surgeons in Las Vegas if they think it’s a joke. Also, check with anyone he has by shot with one how funny they think it is. Please do!
Don’t try to tell us it’s better to be shot with .223 than a .38 any day of the week. Even leftists know way better than that. I’m sure you think a .22 wadcutter is really, a stupid, little joke round too. So shoot one into your thigh and tell me about how funny it feels, please.
Actually, I rather like the constitution… Maybe you can show me where it talks about the parties, left-wing or right-wing, in that grand document. Keep on with your vaunted Right Wing Nuts, as you deserve them and they deserve you. Send the wealthy some more of your money while you are it, they expect nothing less from lackeys and running dogs like you benrey.
More Benr stupidity we find as we continue to read down. With a piece of hacksaw blade and some readily attained know-how an AR-15 can be modified to become fully automatic.
When it comes to weapons, helping bentover with his education is like picking wings off flies.
The weight of carrying heavy ammo in combat is absolutely the driving force behind developing a light weight round. The other half of the goal was to make it even more lethal than the heavy rounds. That was accomplished by designing a bullet with extra-ordinary high muzzle velocity and behavior characteristics after it entered a body.
I’ll bet even he can’t explain why he brought up the subject of bullet weight comparison between 30-06 and .223 but go ahead bendy and give us the numbers for the comparison but include the ones for an AK-47 while you are at it, then tell us what your point was again (and I don’t mean show us the top of your head)
@jdhines
Why yes I have seen up close and very personal the difference between the two calibers!
Why do you think I chimed in?
Duh!
The AR-15 is a nice weapon fun to plink with not saying the weapon platform does not have its place.
The 30-06 will just do more damage at range and will punch through obstacles at ludicrous ranges.
@evilyn
Hey dunce do your own research I own both weapon platforms and have seen what both do.
I have sent several thousand rounds of one and hundreds of the other down range into paper, water melons, plywood, old metal objects, ancient glass electrical insulators and a host of old appliances.
My 1950’s Remington 30-06 is not even allowed at my local shooting range…why because they are afraid it will go through the back wall and into the next building!
As far as ak-47’s go I don’t own one nor have I ever shot one so I can’t speak to what it can or can’t do as seen personally.
I do know it has killed 100,000’s of thousands of humans in its long history.
SSL – If attaining a mastery of English is what you consider an important criterion then read some of bendie’s painful attempts at using the language and tell me if you think he should be deported. It’s a cinch he isn’t Native American so there must be some third world nation that accounts for his ancestry.
@evilyn
Again you post and know not of what you speak.
Grandma was born on the res 100% Cherokee.
Do the math.
This is a message board not a school project nor am I writing a paper ergo don’t like my posts don’t read em and most of all don’t post your constant diatribes.
Bentover – Cherokee nation – sure, you and 90% of the rest of America including possibly our next President.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2015/10/cherokee-blood-why-do-so-many-americans-believe-they-have-cherokee-ancestry.html
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2015/10/cherokee-blood-why-do-so-many-americans-believe-they-have-cherokee-ancestry.html
https://timeline.com/part-cherokee-elizabeth-warren-cf6be035967e
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-so-many-people-that-claim-Native-ancestry-specifically-say-Cherokee-Why-not-any-other-tribe-nation
Right Janos, your (we) whites are a peaceful bunch, just ask the Native Americans… real pussycats, I tell ya. That wonderful Nordic, Ayran, Viking stock that is so vitally important to you and other folks on this board. Please, have all you want of the white racists, white nationalists, white supremacists, Aryan nation looking bozos you can handle. Have them over for dinner too. Maybe consider bringing a Skinhead into the family through some sort of arrangement? Get creative and enjoy!
All the hatred vented on hispanics likely to engender a self fulfilling prophecy outcome.
1st generation Mexicans are the friendliest most hard working people you can find anywhere. Hard to envision that with all the mistreatment they witness that second generation is going to be as loving towards us. It is a huge sadness we treat such nice people with so much vitriol.
What does a white nationalist have to do with racism?
A white guy or gal that loves her country how is that wrong?
What is wrong with you idiots?
Well Ben that’s the thing. Being a White person who is proud of his/her heritage and country is inherently racist according to the ways of thinking demonstrated here. Note that JD believes that White people have done nothing good or positive in this world. He seems to only ever mention historical instances of Whites commiting genocides or battlefield atrocities when discussions of White history or culture come up. Note how Evie acts as if all Hispanics are innocently coming here to work super hard to be model citizens. Well I think we know better. For starters, an immigrant who truly wishes to assimilate into the country they profess to love would learn the language. And there is no need to do that because our horrible racist society always and constantly bends over backwards for non-White foreigners. And yet these two are still not happy. In these worldviews White people are not allowed to be a people and or worthless.
mICHAEL wEINER AKA sAVAge said it best m
Liberalism iS A mEnTal DisOrdEr.
benr:
“What does a white nationalist have to do with racism?
A white guy or gal that loves her country how is that wrong?
What is wrong with you idiots?”
It’s not ‘white nationalism’ per se, IF it’s true to label. Rather it’s the nasty exclusionary rhetoric that inevitably follows the proclamations form SSL, Janos, Tate and you that’s as plainly racist as the nose on your face.
Being proud of being an American is admirable (if somewhat deluded) but using your own 2nd, 3rd or 4th generation status AND the color of your skin as being badges honor & deeds of ownership to the country are idiotic.
“What’s wrong with you idiots?”
People who live in other countries look at the USA and see insanity. “Yeah, we just need more good guys with guns to shoot the bad guys with guns”. I’ve got guns, maybe 15? they stay locked up in a cupboard and one comes out once in awhile for hunting. Some of these guns have been handed down through the family and are almost 80 years old. Funny, no AR15s or handguns among them. You can own a restricted handgun in Canada, to shoot at a range, only. If you are caught deviating from the route to and from you will lose the gun and maybe your vehicle on top of a big fine. If you have a restricted license and you are pulled over, the RCMP have the right to search your vehicle and home.
We have an asshole who just moved into the neighbourhood. Last week, on a drunk up, he punched a woman friend in the bar when she got in his face, (ain’t drunks grand?), and the RCMP escorted him out, and later checked up on him at home. If there were guns in play, in possesion, someone would have been shot. That is, unless a good guy pulled out his piece first and blew him away. He’s back at work, the mouthpiece went home with her husband, and everyone lived to see another day.
Sometimes when in Canada, it seems like the USA in 1970, but with modern technology
Sorry, but the idea of letting drunks determine the limits of our freedoms just doesn’t work for me.
We don’t let the worst among us determine our rights, now matter how much they abuse our rights. If we do, we’ll surely end up with no rights at all.
Yep, that’s it.
Does that include dry drunks? Why weren’t you pissing your pants with George Bush was limiting your freedom?
Who says I wasn’t? I posted nonstop about the “torture President” and all the rights-eviscerating laws that were passed.
The Mounties are famous for being trigger happy. Remember Jeff Hughes, gunned down in Nanaimo.
Powerful post, pretty much a bulls-eye diagnosis of what’s behind the mayhem. The same mechanism applies worldwide. I read somewhere that two things ISIS recruits (overwhelmingly young men) have in common is that they “never had a job and never had a woman.” And with no real purpose in life, they are easy pickings for the brain-washers who give them something to do. Here in America, though, the terrorists act alone–not surprising in a country that places so much emphasis on the myth of rugged (now twisted) individualism.
Well maybe that is because any and all attempts to discuss the collective are always squashed and essentially banned due to the worship of individualism that appears to pervade everything in our society. This is not to diminish the importance placed on individual rights and self-determination. But how can a society survive if it does not allow a healthy collectivism? They, the powers that be, the Elite, whatever your terms may be for them, will not allow us to have a collective identity based on Race. They will not allow any collective identity based on Religion. They will not allow any collective identity based on Culture. So really what is there? Nothing but a bunch of individuals serving their own self interests in a wilderness of ultimate meaninglessness. Perhaps this is their key to control. How else could a power cabal of Oligarchs come to possess all the levers of power in what is supposed to be a “Representative Democracy”?
SSL – you need to take a big big dose of a laxative. You are so full of kaka that maybe one big purge in the confines of your own bed will free others from being continually exposed to it in the dribs and drabs you keep pouring forth.
Celebrate your collective identity as a human being, allegedly according to the constitution, created equal to all other human beings. Focus on that for a while so as to quit worrying if others have blue eye, brown eyes, or are blind, etc.
So you want me to focus on something you don’t even believe to be true? Now do you believe that all human beings are created equal? Lol and why don’t you want to talk about eye color Blue Eyes? Is there an inconvenient truth there?
Yet another blithering diatribe of ‘nothing really to say’ here. You’re just thinking out loud and contradicting yourself.
You ascribe such awesome powers to your ‘Elite’: ” They will not allow any collective identity based on Religion. They will not allow any collective identity based on Culture”
As EvelynV suggests, why don’t you just go ahead and celebrate whatever you like…there’s really, actually, truthfully, nothing or no-one stopping you.
Stop playing! You realize who the Elite are. I am actually not sure why you dance around this particular topic so much. The Elite do have awesome powers. Immense wealth, deep connections to and veto power over the world of finance, corporations, trade and communications. Their wealth is greater than that of most independent nations. Do you believe such people are going to willfully allow a change in the status quo? I can’t see that happening. Thus they dictate what opinions are ok and what opinions are bad and Google for one is censor-happy.
Specifically, how have YOUR PERSONAL plans and/or activities been curbed or infringed so far in your sweet short life?
“Here in America, though, the terrorists act alone”
Yeah, but are you sure about that?
They’re were many reports of multiple shooters in El Paso with some eyewitnesses saying there were as many as four shooters.
SSL – among your many faults you seem to jump at the chance the throw any cockamamie rumor you hear against the wall to see if it sticks. You have to hang out in some very whacked places to always come up with the bullshitty things you claim to hear.
Put the bottle down and get into the fresh air once in a while. When’s the last time you changed your underwear?
Sorry SSL, I thought you said there were four chicks with big hooters doing all the killing. Sometimes I skip over your posts too quickly. Seems there was some eyewitness testimony to back up the claim you posted. I should have taken more time to read what you wrote.
In a nation that raises it’s children in a culture of violence in video games, movies, and competitive sport activities and then sends them out into the world to occupy foreign lands, suppress their populations, and ship their resources back home, how can anyone wonder why these things continue to happen? In light of the current state of decay and collapse of our once affluent systems, it seems only natural to me that the most desperate and demented of our society act our violently against unarmed, total strangers. The American Bully mentality at it’s lowest.
Take away all of the guns, all of the knives, all of the baseball bats or whatever other patsies the politicians care to sacrifice and the demented will surely find other ways to inflict mass casualties on their fellow plebes. At least the politicians and the wealthy do not have to worry about being attacked for they have armies of goons in suits and sunglasses armed with Uzi’s to protect them. In the end, protecting themselves is all they really care about and they will happily do it at our expense. C’est La Vie.
the demented will surely find other ways to inflict mass casualties
Like a garbage truck plowing through a crowd. It has happened already and will happen again.
Cheers
>>> Like a garbage truck plowing through a crowd. It has happened already and will happen again.
Let’s us compare the gun death numbers in, say all of, Europe and Asia versus those in the United States, shall we? Are you trying to tell us that four mass killing in the last two weeks here in ‘Murica is just “life (it’s really more about business, but I digress) as normal” in the USA and we just have to live with it? Is that what you would have us believe and that we must fear garbage trucks or rental trucks as much as assault weapons? Pray tell.
Yes let’s compare. It’s certainly a legit argument.
Let’s compare, for example, “socialist” Sweden’s crime rates to those of the USA. We have about 5x more murders per capita. But here’s the catch…
Even though Sweden has thoroughly denuded its populace of any meaningful right to self-defense, they still have murders. They still have shootings. They still have mass shootings. And for the coup de grace, their per capita rape stats are 2x HIGHER than ours. Kinda what you’d expect when women can’t defend themselves with guns anymore. And when you let in millions of Muslims that have different opinions about the role of women in society.
Point is, after stripping Swedish citizens of their rights, all you’ve managed to do is reduce murders from 4.9 to 1.1 per 100k, while at the same time increasing rape from 28.1 to 60 per 100k.
You can argue that 5x is signficant. But one penny times five is five pennies. Don’t spend it all at once.
Exo, Come on now… you make it sound as if there are many dead rapists lying around. How many women do you know that have shot a would be racist, I mean rapist? How many have you ever heard of in your entire life, who shot one? You can count them on one hand, I know, I checked.
Your average hand has five fingers. So if I can link to six examples, will you join the NRA and support the lawful use of firearms?
Ex, no quibiling please.
The Swedish rape statutes are significantly different from anywhere else and reporting is significantly higher than anywhere else.
There are now laws called ‘negligent rape’ & negligent sexual abuse’ where the accused (let’s assume male) may have been pretty sure it was consensual – as in the accuser never said ‘no’ or ‘stop’ – but later decides to bring a charge. Too bad, Mister…you’re busted.
Assange’s Swedish purported rape accusation is based on him having unprotected sex with two females who were, apparently, otherwise willing at the time.
“Complaints and initial investigation
On 20 August 2010, two women, a 26-year-old living in Enköping and a 31-year-old living in Stockholm,[5][6] reported to the Swedish police that Assange had engaged in unprotected sexual activity with them that violated the scope of their consent.[7][8] The police told them that they could not simply tell Assange to take an STD test, but that their statements would be passed to a prosecutor.[9]
The next day, the case was transferred to Chefsåklagare (Chief Public Prosecutor) Eva Finné. In answer to questions surrounding the incidents, the following day, Finné declared, “I don’t think there is reason to suspect that he has committed rape”. However, Karin Rosander from the Swedish Prosecution Authority, said Assange remained suspected of molestation. Police gave no further comment at the time, but continued the investigation.[10]
After learning of the investigation, Assange said, “The charges are without basis and their issue at this moment is deeply disturbing”.[11]
The preliminary investigation concerning suspected rape was discontinued by Finné on 25 August,[12] but two days later Claes Borgström, the attorney representing the two women, requested a review of the prosecutor’s decision to terminate part of the investigation.[12][13]
On 30 August, Assange was questioned by the Stockholm police regarding the allegations of sexual molestation.[14] He denied the allegations, saying he had consensual sexual encounters with the two women.[11][15][16] “
Are you kidding me right now??!!! So you are going to use Julian Assange’s situation to suggest that the nuances of Sweden’s rape statutes basically nullify the incredible increase in reported rapes following the Muslim migrant spike? How effing unbelievable that you seriously have the nerve.
@MAJELLA
You will say anything to defend your precious Socialism.
@SSL
Read the above in regards to majella and her views of the world.
>>> There are now laws called…
Majella, Sweden’s rape stats have been about 3x higher than the rest of Europe for DECADES—well before recent laws that expand the definition.
In any case, you thoroughly missed the point. Even after enacting every rights-evicerating policy you can think of, neither guns nor gun violence nor murder nor mass murder nor attacks on children in schools have been eliminated from Sweden. All you can argue is that the rates are lower. That forces you to argue why a reduction from 5 murders per 100k to 1 murder per 100k is worth attacking fundamental freedoms. That’s a difficult argument to win. Is any action justified if it saves even one additional life?
Exscotticus
“And for the coup de grace, their per capita rape stats are 2x HIGHER than ours. Kinda what you’d expect when women can’t defend themselves with guns anymore. And when you let in millions of Muslims that have different opinions about the role of women in society.”
The Swedish government has got kind of fed up explaining the actual facts to people, so here’s the official website from which you can understand why those rape states are seemingly 2x HIGHER than yours. Majella has touched on this already:
https://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/facts-about-migration-and-crime-in-sweden/
Lies, damned lies and statistics, eh…
Not that many murders in the US compared to Mexico and Honduras.
Don’t leave out Guatemala the second highest gun violence country in the world.
Odd that they also have very restrictive gun laws.
What a pointless comparison. Cultural values differ and violent crime is carried out based on the weapons most readily available.
Compare knife crime per capita in the UK (culturally the best comparison) vs. gun crime in the US.
The UK is far more violent based on that metric.
If you want to use statistics, at least focus on something relevant.
“Compare knife crime per capita in the UK (culturally the best comparison) vs. gun crime in the US.
The UK is far more violent based on that metric.”
Really?
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime/Violent-crime
Intentional homicide rate: US 4 times more than UK
Murder rate: US 18 times more than UK
Really. Go back and read what I wrote, not what you want me to have written.
http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=1323
“In the UK, based on these numbers, there was one knife crime commited for every 374 people (rounded down).
In the US, based on these numbers, there was one gun crime committed for every 750 people — less than half a gun crime per 374 people (about 0.4987 gun crimes per 374 people, actually).
That means that, based on these statistics, you are more than twice as likely to be a victim of knife crime in the UK as you are to be a victim of gun crime in the US.”
Nightowl
Then it would also suggest that more attacks in the US are fatal. The homicide rates remain.
Trauma surgeons over here have confirmed that it is much easier to deal with the effects of a knife attack than a shooting (following some ill advised claim made by Trump, unsurprisingly).
GA,
I am not arguing that point. I am pointing out that US culture and UK culture is violent and that nutters use what they have at hand. There are a fair amount of guns and knives here in Germany too, but mass shootings and knife attacks are relatively rare.
Germany is a high trust culture (or was), and it used to be (just 15 years ago) that many people even left bikes out unlocked in the middle of major cities, confident that no one would steal them.
Banning guns, knives, spoons, etc., won’t solve much. A sick culture is sick. The UK and US are, by Western standards sick. To eradicate disease, one must attack the source.
“I am not arguing that point. I am pointing out that US culture and UK culture is violent and that nutters use what they have at hand.”
Then I would have to disagree with you to some extent, Nightowl. As Volodya is fond of saying, I use my ears and eyes. And despite localised violent criminality in some large cities in England, I don’t see the UK as remotely as violent as the US.
There has always been a lot of rowdy and violent behaviour in particular town centres on a Saturday night, based on alcohol consumption, although it seems the latest cohort of youngsters are eschewing alcohol in ever-increasing numbers (maybe that’s mostly the middle class ones, rather than the salt-of-the-earth ‘deplorables’ though!). The loutish kinds do tend to take their loutish boozy behaviour with them to cheap Spanish holiday resorts as well, unfortunately.
But if you think English football hooligans are a problem (which they are), take a look at what goes on in Russia. They don’t need guns either.
I think you have to make a difference between ordinary society and small enclaves (cultural as well as geographic) of violent behaviour.
Nobody thinks of Ireland as a violent country, but they’d get a different view from reading about the activities of the drug barons.
Well, when I lived in the US, most of my life was spent in non-violent areas. I never even witnessed a real fight until college.
In the US, violence tends to be reserved to enclaves, too — particularly inner cities.
I have always been astounded by how similar the US and UK are when visiting. I know all the history, but until you spend time in both places, it doesn’t really sink in, IMO.
The UK and US are hustling cultures that push the acquisition of material goods as a primary goal in life. The UK is more openly class-based, but the US isn’t really much different underneath all the talk. German culture is decidedly different.
Benr, Exscot, SSL – I really REALLY hope you followed GA’s link to the myth-busting explanation of just how wrong you are in your uninformed assertions – but then, we’re all getting used to your uninformed assertions by now.
Benr- ‘you will say anything to defend your precious socialism’. Wrong. I will only point out how screwy YOUR view of ‘socialism’ is, because you clearly have no inkling of how it operates and why it works so well in those countries that have adopted it as the fairest, least divisive form of government.
Wasn’t it Honest Abe who invoked that government should be ‘of the people, by the people and for the people’.That’s socialism in a nutshell right there. Yet the same tired right-wing-nut-job voices in here who decry socialism (because they simply don’t understand it) as some sort of bogeyman, also piss and moan about how ‘the elites’ are screwing them over. It’s all very confusing to we who think in straight lines…
Not divisive are you kidding?
Look at what your ilk is doing to this country right now!
All the hinky crap going on is because fools want Socialism here instead of moving somewhere already suffering under it’s yoke.
I don’t know specifically what you’re referring to when you say “what your ilk is doing to this country right now!’
All you see, it seems from reading your posts, is ‘hinky crap’ being invoked by ‘socialists’.
Again, I aver – you really do not know what ‘socialism’, as practiced by many, many western democracies, actually is.
A list of the most prominent for you:
The Scandanavian Nations
Great Britain
Canada
Australia & New Zealand
France, Holland, Belgium, Germany, Italy & Spain, Switzerland
Do you dare to tell me that the USA, as operated at present, is a SUPERIOR place to live than any of the above?
I gather you’ve been in the Navy, so you may well have actually SEEN other countries. In my several decades, I have lived in the UK, Germany, France, Australia, New Zealand (home), and visited every other country on the list.
I also know how the USA works and frankly, in comparison, it sucks. I cannot wait to get home in 3/4 years (sooner if your Idiot in Chief is re-elected).
Been to all on your list and some of the paradises also suffering under your Socialist utopia like the paradise known as Cuba and the once nice place Venezuela.
You compare all those countries to these United States none of them have 300 million people and another 20-45 million parasitic illegal aliens.
Hell we have more illegal aliens scampering around than some of those countries have legal citizens!
No comparison and yes The only country on that list I ever even want to see again is Switzerland and New Zealand.
You should pack and leave now and don’t let the door bump your bum on the way out.
Great thinkers don’t think in straight lines.
>>> I really REALLY hope you followed GA’s link to the myth-busting explanation
The problem with this is that every nation uses different methods to tally ALL crime stats. So if there’s no common measure, then what makes you think that we can compare gun homicide rates? Or anything else?
You also ignored my counter that Sweden’s rape issues go back many decades—well before recent changes in accounting.
Finally, you ignored my main point, in which the rape stats are irrelevant. All you get when you strip civil liberties is a drop from 5 to 1 murders per 100k. You still get murders. You haven’t “solved” anything. And you cost individuals the right to protect themselves from criminals.
” So if there’s no common measure, then what makes you think that we can compare gun homicide rates? ”
I’d have thought that was one of the simpler measures, Exscotticus. A gun is a gun and a homicide is a homicide. There’s not much leeway for confusion, as there is for what qualifies as rape (just look at the Assange accusations), unless I’m missing something.
>>> I’d have thought that was one of the simpler measures, Exscotticus.
Not when it comes to nebulous terms like “gun violence” or “gun terrorism” or what constitutes a “mass” attack.
I didn’t compare “gun-related” homicide rates as I have no idea how those terms are defined. If I mention “gun” and you die from fright, is that a gun-related homicide? If I point a plastic toy gun at you, and you kill me with a knife, is that “gun-related”? Or must it actually involve bullets in flesh?
But I agree that a homicide is a homicide. And that’s what I compared: homicide rates. Sweden’s is lower by 5x. 5 per 100k versus 1 per 100k in the USA. Is that worth tossing individual civil liberties? I say it isn’t. Sweden hasn’t “solved” rape or murder or mass murder or children dying in schools. And that’s what the Left routinely claim is possible with a total civilian gun ownership ban.
I disagree completely Walter. If this is not a false flag event which I am not sure how we would ever really know, then I seriously doubt the involvement of some hypothetical “American Bully” mentality. If you take his manifesto seriously, again if it can be, then he had some serious grievances with the invasion of the country by hordes of foreigners who are coming in and usurping the native culture. No doubt the cultural/spiritual vacuum that is modern America plays a role in the development of this man as well. But why are his grievances completely dismissed? If he is real, and his feelings and thoughts as expressed are real, then I have sympathy for him. That is the problem, no one ever tried to relate to him before probably. His viewpoints will never receive representation even though they reflect the sentiments of millions.
“That is the problem, no one ever tried to relate to him before probably. His viewpoints will never receive representation even though they reflect the sentiments of millions.”
The views of the people who were murdered will never receive representation and they hadn’t done anything except, according to some on the previous thread, to have committed the social affront of being aesthetically unpleasing in an adipose-related way. Is it in bad taste to mention them or may I be excused for thinking they’re the point here? Maybe nobody listened to them either so they got into comfort eating instead, but they don’t risk killing anyone but themselves, for the most part.
If you want to stop copy-cat killings like this, the perpetrators – as individuals – shouldn’t be given the oxygen of publicity. The oxygen of oxygen is already more than they deserve, if they’ve survived to breathe it.
>>> If you want to stop copy-cat killings like this, the perpetrators – as individuals – shouldn’t be given the oxygen of publicity.
MANY agree with this. But that would mean not politicizing select tragedies for political gain. Not gonna happen…
You missed the point Alba. He was, at least according to what we are being told, decidedly anti-immigrant. If you will recall, that was one of the primary reasons that DJT won in 2016. He promised to stop illegal immigration and significantly reduce legal immigration. Neither of which has actually happened. Yes it is true. Millions of native born Americans, mostly White, but there are significant numbers of Blacks and native born Hispanics that would like to see immigration significantly curtailed. The reasons for that are varied and many. My point is that for all of the millions who want that, there is zero representation of these views in Washington practically speaking. Everything is always about the Chamber of Commerce and Money. We are being governed against our will. So I am actually shocked there hasn’t been more trouble. But that is not to say that his actions are acceptable or good in any way shape or form. Given the demographics of El Paso I am pretty confident that there is total support for increased Hispanic immigration and an eventual Hispanic takeover of the entire culture. Wasn’t it the El Paso chief of police who already made the comment that he was pissed that an Anglo came there to kill Hispanics? Wow! Looks like they are pretty clear that they don’t want Anglos around. But racism is always ok, as long as it is against Whites.
I don’t know what the El Paso chief of police said, but you seem to be suggesting that he is somehow out of order for not wanting an ‘Anglo’ coming to kill Hispanics. Did he say he didn’t like ‘Anglos’ coming even with friendly intent? Did you want him to be pleased with an ‘Anglo’ coming to kill Hispanics?
The rest is nothing new to me. I just find it unfortunate when people spend so much time basically making excuses for perpetrators of ‘look what you made me do’ crimes, rather than on their victims.
Exscotticus has pointed out that Trump’s manner and ways of expressing himself have no part in the responsibility for or relevance to the crime. So, logically, neither have the perpetrator’s grievances.
Following your logic, one would expect you to be sympathetic to Jihadi terrorists whose grievances include the constant self-serving meddling of Western countries in their affairs, bombing of wedding parties, and the like.
But I don’t make excuses for them and I’m sure you don’t either.
As a comparison with the Jihadi knife attack in Borough Market, beside London Bridge, I couldn’t tell you anything about the terrorists, other than what they did. I don’t remember their names or know anything about them. Nor do I want to.
But I’ve seen the names and faces of the victims repeatedly, and I know the details of what happened to individuals among them and those who died trying to help them, even though most of the victims weren’t even British. I’ve heard their stories, listened to their families talking about them, both after the attack and, more recently after the court proceedings. I still don’t know any of the attackers’ names; nor do I know what any of them look like.
That’s as it should be.
There is only one explanation to say about people who shoot people that they don’t know or are not threatening them they are just nuts.
They should be profiled and called out for what they are simply crazy.
>>> They should be profiled and called out for what they are simply crazy.
OK, they are crazy… problem solved! Wait, are we done here?
No the media needs to use terms like lunatic with a gun shoots innocent people and then call them out as cowards.
Any crazy lame ass can go to a gun free zone and mow down some innocent unarmed people.
See the difference make them out to be small and insignificant and even more so using guns.
benr
I totally endorse your refusal to make any excuses for this ‘man’.
I would disagree, though, on referring to him as ‘crazy’ or a ‘lunatic’. One of the most important distinctions that needs to be made in criminal psychiatry or psychology is between ‘mad’ and ‘bad’. A schizophrenic who’s missed his meds and stabs someone because he’s hearing voices is mad, not bad.
This guy was bad. There’s nothing in his ‘manifesto’ that even remotely suggests he’s ‘mad’.
But, again, I’m grateful for your unequivocal refusal to make excuses for his actions.
It would be good if the media could be prevented from ever publicising such people’s names, photographs or biographical details, but even if that could be achieved, the internet has put paid to any possibility of any durable secrecy in such matters.
The idea that someone is just bad does not work.
In order to murder people like this means you are either nuts or have been brainwashed to do so.
Even the military must make people see the enemy as less than human or the urge for “normal” people is to not pull the trigger.
And that is the entire problem right there. Just write them off as if they were never human beings who had feelings or concerns. Obviously those feelings and concerns became very skewed and pathological (if we are even being told the truth of what happened) and shouldn’t we want to know what happened to prevent these things in the future?
“and shouldn’t we want to know what happened to prevent these things in the future?”
The best way to prevent such things in the future would be for their names, photos and biographies to remain unpublicised. But I agree with Exscotticus that it’s never going to happen. And in some ways, if people insist on ‘public interest’ imperatives, perhaps it can’t legitimately happen. But it would be good if it could.
‘Look what you made me do’ should not be rewarded, ever. If you believe that walls discourage migrants, you should accept this too.
SSL:
You earlier said, “He was, at least according to what we are being told, decidedly anti-immigrant.” So, I guess he’s a sort of soul-brother to you?
You seem to actually APPRECIATE his despicable act in murdering innocent people because he’s thinking the same thing as ‘millions’ of others – by which you actually mean YOU.
So, DO YOU CONDEMN him or not?
If he gets a life sentence (or spends 20 years on Death Row), will you write to him in the can and express your sympathy? After all, he did it for YOU (and millions of other like-minded idiots).
You’re right Alba, I don’t subscribe to the “look what you made me do” narrative on any of this. Each person is responsible for their actions. My point is that society would be better off attempting to understand the motivation behind these acts and look into addressing them. I don’t think hiding their faces will do anything.
And Majella stop twisting my words and implicating as if you know how I feel and think.
SSL
Glad we agree on something.
“My point is that society would be better off attempting to understand the motivation behind these acts and look into addressing them.”
People used to say that about Islamic terrorists. They were viewed as having reasons too (like western bombs). I don’t think you’d give that idea much credence, somehow.
“I don’t think hiding their faces will do anything.”
Many people disagree. Lionel Shriver is one of them (she used to be wheeled out regularly on the BBC after school shootings, but now she’s more famed as an enthusiastic Brexiter).
These people don’t like anonymity. The sad sacks who shoot school pupils because life hasn’t made them feel worth something like to go out in a blaze of publicity. If all they were described as was ‘a male in his twenties’ or whatever, similar types would be less inclined to copy, because no-one would ever know who they were, and they really really want people to know who they were, one way or the other.
Even among normal people, the thought of ‘I’m going to die here and no-one’s going to know what happened to me’ is a horrible one.
Or they’re a member of the US military…
Douchebag say what?
Where in the Constitution does it say the Government has the right to replace the native population of the Nation? Our Government simply isn’t legitimate. His grievances are.
Thank you!
So how did they do it to the Native Americans if it wasn’t in the glorious US Constitution? Little bit of logical / theoretical problem there Janos old boy.
Easy, they weren’t Americans. They were just living here until we took this Continent away from them. They fought us, but lost. Woe to the Vanquished!
They’re not Native Americans since they didn’t found this Nation. We did and so we are.
Thanks for bringing that up. The Founders were White Nationalists through and through.
>>> But why are his grievances completely dismissed.
WHY? Because the CAT IS ALREADY OUT OF THE BAG. Have you noticed the number of whites as a percent of the US population is dwindling as we speak? Just exactly what do you propose we do about it? Ship them out somewhere? Where? Do away with them? Really and how would we do that? Do you think they’ll just stand still and let us do whatever? Build a great wall? Been there, tried that.
Greed and Capitalism is what landed ‘Murica here, first with slavery and then with, essentially, open borders for 50+ years. That white majority ship sailed a long time ago – so sorry, you’ll have to wait for the next great democratic experiment to get what you want, unfortunately it may only be your ancestors that are around to see it.
A false flag? Are you serious? Really?
We all have to get used to the reality that ‘Murica (good, bad or indifferent – like it or not) is NOT going to be a majority white country very soon, but it is still our home and civil war really sucks, even if you think it’s great fun a la the civil war. Read a few diaries from either side and see how much fun it was, please.
Great performance as an agent of distraction JD. Really no shyte Sherlock, it’s easy to see that America is not even what it was five years ago. Nothing has really actually been done that could have been. We could completely stop immigration right now, we could build a Wall, we could encourage family formation, and the list goes on and on. But the truth is none of it is going to happen because we are not even a country or a culture. We are just one big fat ugly Ponzi scheme made to enrich the wealthiest. As I have been saying and will continue to, the ship has also sailed on a common culture and value system. So you tell me what’s next because it isn’t going to be peace. And yes I am very serious. Do you actually believe everything you read and see online/TV?
Exo, Come on now… you make it sound as if there are many dead rapists lying around. How many women do you know that have shot a would be racist, I mean rapist? How many have you ever heard of in your entire life, who shot one? You can count them on one hand, I know, I checked.
>>> Great performance as an agent of distraction JD….
Nothing has really actually been done that could have been.
I don’t know what it is you think I am distracting you from. Your keywords above were “could have been,” but that which could have been done, was NOT done, so this is where we find ourselves, to wit, up “shyte” crick.
I’m not sure you are following me here. Even if you stopped every single bit of immigration, both legal and illegal, later today (ALL of it, this afternoon) — it is SIMPLY TOO LATE. In 20 years you’ll think you’re living in South America (not Brazil, e.g. Portuguese). I suggest you learn Spanish and forget about white culture and values and start working on HUMAN culture and values, as it will get you a lot further and be a lot less painful.
Acceptance is what I’m talking about here, there is no need to pine away for that which will never be. Accept our collective fate, stop fighting it. We had our shot and we blew it. Period. You don’t have to like it, you just have to do it (accept it, that is). Do you think I am wrong to suggest you like in the real world?
Yes I think you are wrong. You would never tell anyone of “color” to give up their culture, heritage, and identity but you appear to be fine telling me to do so. It may be nothing to you but its important to me. Pain? We’ve been in pain for a long time anyway. As if selfishness as exemplified in the attitude you are giving off helps to make anything better. But it want stop us either. You’re the one who will have to get over it. You should join your people. If you think these others are going to embrace you….good luck.
SSL
“Yes I think you are wrong. You would never tell anyone of “color” to give up their culture, heritage, and identity but you appear to be fine telling me to do so.”
Why would you give up your culture? You aren’t going to change colour. Your no doubt charming Louisiana twang isn’t going to go away and be replaced by something else. Your religious beliefs aren’t going to change – nor are your ethics and values. You are going to pass all of these things onto your children and you will continue to share them with those you share them with now. Nobody can take away your ‘culture, heritage and identity’, just as being in bed with a big fat English elephant hasn’t taken away mine.
I won’t give it up but there is an implicit assumption made by those who run everything that I should and eventually will. You’re still not understanding that the idea that all things associated with White culture are inherently evil is an idea that has been mainstreamed and is in the process of becoming public policy in Western countries.
“I won’t give it up but there is an implicit assumption made by those who run everything that I should and eventually will.”
So what? You have an implicit assumption that it would be great if your country (and probably mine as well) were turned into a theocracy. I doubt either of us is going to stand by and let others dictate how we live. Changing laws to make things possible doesn’t force you to behave like people you don’t admire. People keep going on about gay marriage, as an example. I don’t care one way or the other – as I’ve said before I thought civil partnerships were fine, but it wasn’t about me. All the marriages I’ve been invited to have been heterosexual and they haven’t changed one whit in character or or been remotely devalued by gay people being able to do their thing.
And no-one is forcing you to go to a gay wedding. For instance. If one of your sons (heaven forfend!) turns out to be gay you can refuse to attend his wedding, just as my parents refused to attend my planned civil one.
“You’re still not understanding that the idea that all things associated with White culture are inherently evil is an idea that has been mainstreamed and is in the process of becoming public policy in Western countries.”
Well it hasn’t been mainstreamed over here. Sane people remain sane. And paranoid people will continue to exaggerate. Nothing new under the sun.
Unintended italics, sorry.
It appears to me that our second Civil War has already started.
Electing Trump was “the shot heard around the world” only this war is now in the cold stage.
But events like the shooting in El Paso with the “Anti-Latino Manifesto” (can’t help but wonder if that wasn’t written by some dweeb at Hill and Knowlton paid for by the DNC?), can make this cold civil war go hot, especially if the Dems try to go down the gun confiscation route.
Bet you were one of the ones to deny that race replacement was real too, right? Or do you still deny it when it comes up in another context?
I’m with Green Alba on this one, SSL.
Your post reads to me as being highly sympathetic to a White nationalist who murdered a swathe of innocent people, because he ‘wasn’t understood’.
Where would your sympathies lie if he were a) Black or b) a Muslim who were both using the same excuse of being ‘misunderstood’ ?
He wasn’t understood and he may never be because of the lying snake media. Like I said before, if he is genuine then yes I feel for him. I don’t agree with his actions and methods but his ideas make sense to me. He wanted to do something, anything because he sees the writing on the wall for us and he wants us to have a country and a home.
Why would you anticipate that I would have any sympathies for a Black or a Muslim in the same circumstances? Being that their targets would be White I would naturally see them as an enemy. That being said. I am all for Blacks and Muslims having their own countries and homelands. You’re problem is that you think each group should get a perfectly equal reaction. The problem is no one is like that. Not even you. You will have to pick a side one day Majella.
Uh SSL this fool didn’t care about anyone or anything,
He shot at anyone he could to include little kids.
The only sympathy he deserved was a well placed grouping two to the chest and one to the head by the swat team responding to the insanity.
Electroshock therapy for life is what he deserves until his brain is mush and he is drooling all over himself.
This kind of person caught alive should instantly get a frontal lobotomy and placed front and center for all the world to see what happens when they do this.
SSL
Jeez – where to start? “Lying snake media” I guess. As I understand it, he published his ‘manifesto’ on the ‘lying snake’ Twitter account, which was not interfered with in any way. So, he’s had the opportunity to express his views. He didn’t have to go and commit an atrocity, except that would draw attention to his thoughts.
“He wanted to do something, anything…” great. He sure did. He’s inflicted unspeakable & immeasurable pain & grief on countless people – the families of his hapless victims. What did he ACHIEVE for your common cause? Zero.
Re: if he was Black or Muslim, I certainly didn’t anticipate that you would have any sympathy. My point (which needs to be spelled out in words of one syllable it seems) is that your thinking holds no water if NOT applied to your preferred (oops – 2 syllables…sorry) cause.
Ahhhhh SSL…..interesting. Remember you chiding me a bit yesterday for saying there are some here that when reading the mass murderer’s manifesto would say to themselves, “Well done young man….well done?’ Lo and behold you are among the some. My, my, my the guilty dog truly does bark.
I’ll give you a benefit of the doubt and say that you are not one of the ones who only wish the body count had been higher. But there are some here who do. And you know it.
Most others have just been very flippant about the deaths, massive injuries and grief. They are mourning the potential loss of the AR15 and AK47 instead. Which won’t even happen.
Oh please Walter, “The American Bully mentality”. Again, the implicit assumption that had any other culture attained the US’s technological and organizational preeminence the entire world would have been led into a pastoral peace of loving kinship among all. No evidence today or in history supports such a dumb ass assumption. Whatever can be said of Western culture’s current state, its heritage of principles of governance and objective analysis remains the best hope for managing human collective behavior.
Well Cp, I cannot more heartily disagree. Our school system here is overburdened with bullying issues and my own daughter had to suffer through it and sometimes still does. The system does nothing to correct it because it is constipated by angry parents and hungry lawyers. We have bullying issue at my place of work and no one wants to deal with them there either. At our Township committee meetings, the 6′-4″, 450 pound committeeman appointed to act as Mayor shouts down citizens who disagree with him to shouts of “Stop bullying me, stop bullying me”. I do not know what kind of involvement you may or may not have in your society my friend, but from where I sit, bullying is one of the biggest issues we face as a society.
You’re both correct. Bullying is a problem in the USA, but I also agree with Cavepainter that it is not solely an American issue.
In many other countries, the bullies are given weapons and function as, eh, policemen, soldiers, security thugs and whatnot. And the bullies who can’t take direction from the local bosses get shot dead.
In the USA, bullies can’t always count on getting those kinds of jobs, and so they appear in more varied guises, such as the examples that Walter provided.
It is human nature. We are hierarchy-fixated primates.
Cheers
Well done montsegur, thank you.
Uh, wait a minute Walter; are you speaking of the bullying by the feral children of the Ebonics culture that has been nurtured by demagogues for political capital? Peculiar isn’t it, the conundrum faced by American Negros as exemplified by James Baldwin — absolute dependence upon American literary form for complaint against the cultural legacy that birthed it.
Cavepainter,
I’ll vote for the first Democratic candidate who recites on stage “the Congo” as written by Vachel Lindsay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1HrKmBxP-A
At least when the power goes out forever, I’ll still be able to play this on the machine.
450 lbs! Jeezzz – What a symbol of conservation!
I would venture to say that our president is somewhat of a bully, but I may be wrong. More assault weapons may be helpful, however.
I think real sports and big brother or coach mentoring is what this country needs more of for the dis-enfranchised. Getting your sorry ass out of bed @ 6 am to do high level exercise jacks up the right mental clarity to function in society as opposed to playing video games at 3 am, covering one’s weak arms with tatoos and guzzling “energy” drinks.
Right on the nose, JerryDylan.
I believe it was the father of the young man who did the WalMart massacre who admitted he was a horrid father, alcoholic/drug addict (but he amazingly found the time and brains to write a book about what a louse he was/is).
Having positive role models in your life (for me it was my mom and grandma) DOES make a huge difference, especially in a child’s early, formative years.
I am sure some wonks at major universities have done the research. Young adults with a normal, loving, stable home with both parents will fare better in life than the kids who turn to gangs or violent video games to find inclusiveness and a sense of “belonging” to someone who “cares”.
There is a reason all these shooters have made their violent last actions. As a society, we just need to figure out “why” and try to fix it.
Ah but those wonks at the major universities don’t like “normal” families and want that type of thing done away with.
What utter tosh, SSL.
LOL really? Yeah because it takes 57 genders to make a family. Got it! Gee and I thought relationships are complicated as it is!
SSL:
“…those wonks at the major universities don’t like “normal” families…”
You just make shit UP and then feign surprise when called out on it…sad.
Oh yes, calisthenics for the youth of ‘Murica will solve the problem. I’m down with that, for sure. More assault weapons too, please. Let’s combine them….. WAIT, we already do that, it’s called BOOT CAMP!!!! Wha’ happened??? I just dunno… Oh well, see what happens tomorrow. See ya, wouldn’t wanna be ya!
check–Wake Up Warrior bootcamp.
We are as our views on peoples of societies past.
Their problems and eventual solutions (or disintegration) seem so obvious to us now and yet they suffered.
Being a seer doesn’t make one more able to address influence the rations and destruction on Maggie’s farm if the other animals are content subsisting on their only feces.
*own
>>> Take away all of the guns, all of the knives, all of the baseball bats or whatever other patsies the politicians care to sacrifice and the demented will surely find other ways to inflict mass casualties on their fellow plebes.
Why doesn’t it happen in any other country then (very odd), where they have done just that (taken away the guns)? The US is UNIQUE in the industrialized world for the number of gun deaths (about 40,000/year) and injuries and FAR outpaces any other country. I mean outpaces, by a country mile. The one variable that is VERY DIFFERENT to all the other countries is the number of guns per capita, but that is science and may not count. Sorry stupid argument… my apologies.
We all (right wing, Red ‘Murica) know that science is mainly hogwash and horse shit, climate change and all the other BS, right? G_d created the world, what is it’s current age, say 1,100 years or something. Shit, there are trees way older than that and what about them dinosaur bones? Inconvenient truths, maybe? I am confused over this…
Jeez, have fun with not finding God because the temporal realm confused you into thinking it meant white cadillac driving seven figure pulling hypocrites (or fill in your boogie man).
There would be no America without violence. We took the Continent by force from people related to the Mexicans. Now they’re taking it back and they want us to just accept it.
Mexico is extremely violent. The more of these people we have, the more violent America will become. So are those who advocate for mass immigration really for Peace? I think not.
By the way Martin Luther Kunstler, your treatise here is undoubtedly the finest I have ever seen written to date. It should be printed out in bold format and nailed to the doors of every courthouse, police station, government building and Walmart throughout the land. Bravo!
These recent mass killings are another major sign that the country is in deep deep decay on the deepest existential-cultural level.
No worries of course, I’m sure most of the media and the ‘American public’ will attribute this all to being just “some evil lunatics”, and fail to recognize the horror of the societal conditions that are incubating and hatching these lunatics.
Example: The Liberal media have already and automatically taken this and spinned it into their Biblical Good vs Evil story around gun control… A grand narrative where the professional, prosperous, technocratic elite once for all succeed in regulating gun control with their algorithms against the heathen horde that are the ‘conservatives’! Of course, Lets just ignore the fact the even if it’s made so that people can’t get guns anymore (practically impossible) there are other means like gasoline and semi-trucks and home made explosives (you can actually but the chemicals and components at your local hardware store for a few hundred bucks) to do a “mass killing”.
This is basically what Kunstler has said, but it is great quote I read once:
“When inward life dries up, when feeling decreases and apathy increases, when one cannot affect or even genuinely touch another person, violence flares up as a daimonic necessity for contact, a mad drive forcing touch in the most direct way possible.” – Rollo May
That description seems accurate for the majority of America. Frightening stuff, just drive around town and experience the fury people express when you take more than a second to get moving at a green light. So what are we to do when faced with the seemingly unchangeble reality of this country?
It will get really bad once there is any “move” to begin confiscating guns on a large scale. The problem is that the government is not really seen as legitimate anymore though most people go through the motions still of following through with their daily activities as normal. Once there is any sort of disruption like a prolonged power outage or some sort of banking meltdown the veneer of civilization will be ripped away very easily as animosity and pent up frustration bubble just beneath the surface.
I totally agree. Americans will ignore gun confiscation just like they have prohibition and drug laws. The government doesn’t have the manpower to enforce it. The entire US Marine Corps could not have enforced the fifty five mile per hour speed limit. When a large minority ignores a law it is ineffective. Local cops I have talked to would not be helpful to the feds in disarming their neighbors.
Exactly, laws upon laws can be passed but if that law is not in the hearts of the people it really isn’t worth anything. The bonds of society cannot be legislated in reality. Sure we can all be told what to do and how to do it, but if a person really doesn’t believe in something then they will find ways to do what they think is best. The bonds that hold society together need to be organic in order to be truly effective.
>>> there are other means like gasoline and semi-trucks and home made explosives (you can actually bu[y]t the chemicals and components at your local hardware store for a few hundred bucks) to do a “mass killing”.
Oh and this happens so frequently in other countries, right? Which countries had 4 separate mass chemical, rental truck killings (or the equivalent) in the last 10 days? Anyone. Bueller? Anyone at all? Whaaaaaaaaat? None, WTF?
Just because you don’t know about it or hear about it means it’s not happening?
In a word, Yes… It would be all over the net for bragging rights alone.
doubtful.
“Anyone. Bueller? Anyone at all? Whaaaaaaaaat? None, WTF?”
…Looks like you are a good candidate for pulling a mass killing by the sheer degree of your “black and white” anger. look in the mirror.
lol
Anger? I’m not angry – disillusioned and resigned, maybe, but not angry. lol
Add brainwashed and clueless to that list.
These young men sought meaning by doing what the Elite refuse to do: enforce our borders. The blood is on their hands for not doing what they are mandated to do in the case of elected officials.
Jim, have you seen this?
The quaint ‘village’ on the roof of a mall,
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/aug/05/suburb-in-the-sky-how-jakartans-built-an-entire-village-on-top-of-a-mall?fbclid=IwAR1hCKXDwLumpJ4hCVziXQSe6s9P0YXvDMef9aMRtlygnEOl3lkVIZ_aKCY
Hit and miss. The air quality looks abysmal. Hard to say about the housing. I read a blog for a while about a Westerner who moved into modern housing in India. Structure was sound, but there were unpleasant infrastructure problems.
A fun aspect of the ‘village’ is that one could literally point down and factually state, “there be Hell!”
Cheers
Wow, thirty million people in and around that city. A glimpse of the future here with too many people.
I got sidetracked into another article linked from that one, then into the comments, some from Indonesians working abroad, others from people who’d spent some time working in Indonesia, others from people pointing out that population density in England is waaaaay higher than in Indonesia, Jakarta notwithstanding.
I also learned that Indonesians have an excellent birth control programme in place. That they don’t like emigrating. When they work away, they almost always like to come home. They’re home birds, so it must have something going for it. And that they’re lovely, friendly people, much more so than in European capitals.
SpeedyBB can perhaps amplify, if he’s around.
Previously (until my daughter visited a couple of times) my main recollections of it were in relation to the genocide its US-backed government inflicted on East Timor after invading and occupying it.
But I suppose we can’t blame that on the people.
Hi Jim,
unless these bloody skirmishes are the precursor to some more general outbreak of murderous havoc. It’s not hard these days to imagine the political animus ratcheting up to something like a new civil war.
I expect to see the return of Routiers.
If it works out that way, it will be the most psychologically confused political event of modern history.
Astute observation. And liable to drag on the way the Hundred Years War did.
Cheers
And add to all you said, a lack of connection to other people, particularly those in the same age group, and a lack of social skills on the rare occasions they do have face-to-face contact. It’s been a while since I met anyone in their early twenties who could carry on a conversation and with the rise in online courses, this skill is further degraded. What used to be a classroom setting for discussion and a place to make acquaintances has been replaced by isolation. And it’s not going to get better either.
And when people go out, their faces are focused on their (not so) smart phones. An inhuman way of existing, much less living.
Cheers
If a fool peers into an IPhone, don’t expect a wise man to look back out.
The last 4 years, every month and year has set the all time high temp record. U do realize this is exponential feedback we’re in now, no?
2.5 years left. May as well keep hitting your daily 1.5 gallon gasohol *quota* .
Hi SW
You may find this ‘phone option interesting!
d’oh. Here’s the link:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/111949051/boring-smartphone-removes-social-media-and-email-distractions
When the last school shooting happened, I wondered how this was over history:
https://peakfuture.wordpress.com/2018/02/20/the-rat-problem/
I wonder if there has been an analysis of random violence over the ages; does it correlate with the kind of social landscape we have now?
The use of cheap automatic weapons to lash out at the world do seem like a symptom; I think jeff2002 and Walter B make those points. The truck terrorism that happened a while ago in France is a good example that people can inflict a lot of damage without using firearms.
Well, peak future “cheap automatic weapons” have been around for awhile……way before mass shootings became as common as they are today. That should indicate something
Semi-automatic meaning one bullet out for each pull of the trigger.
Full auto squeeze trigger and bullets go till out of ammo.
Full auto is pretty tough to actually hit anything as the gun pulls up so you are taught to use three round bursts.
The term assault weapon is really annoying as it really means a weapon used to assault someone.
I bb gun can be an assault weapon!
Even thirty years ago, who could have imagined someone just randomly killing as many people as possible and still being sane enough to plan it? It may be a long emergency but Rome didn’t burn in a day.
If the president caves and advocates for a ban on “military-style” weapons, this move in itself might well be the catalyst for the new civil war that folks more and more are mentioning. Most don’t understand that the 2nd amendment issue and the make-up of the supreme court probably were the two most powerful reasons for Trump’s election success.
I agree. We are at a pivotal moment. Trump could very well lose in 2020, if we get the far, depending on what he does in response to this.
(Sigh).
SSL – Really? What ‘he’ does in response to this, will determine whether we make it to the 2020 election?
Catastrophize much?
The idea of an assault weapon ban may sound good to the simple minded and the non-caring, but it is a no go and useless. I am aware of a number of arms manufacturers that have already made AR style rifles that are specifically made to bypass the “Legal” terms of assault rifle, yet still be an AR in every aspect. No doubt the lawyers will litigate over these soon and for great profit. When specific types of anything are banned, some people turn them in some do not, the things will still be out there and available. The only way to “get rid” of a great number of them would be door to door invasive searches and THAT will create far more casualties than the mass shooting themselves.
The biggest fear that the law enforcement people have is that confiscation will take place using driver’s licenses as a primer. Plans are made if enacted to have every traffic stop cop check the DL to see if the driver is a firearms owner. If the driver is and confiscation has been enacted, the driver will be taken into custody on the spot. The home will then be scheduled for a SWAT search and seizure and everything will be taken. Any “legal” firearms can be sought to be returned through the court. The cops are not happy at all about this because every traffic stop becomes a potential shootout once word gets around. I do not know if they will seriously consider implementing this or not, but the plan IS on the books. You all may trust you government if you care too, but I shall not.
They would have a hard time getting local cops to do this. Even the state troopers are cut from the same cloth as civilian gun owners in my state. The feds could not enforce this with only their manpower and they would face Ruby Ridge or David Koresh type resistance when they try. It would be a hard row to hoe.
Even in if they tried to use the military it would not be easy. All our boys with all their toys haven’t been able to disarm the Afghans in eighteen years
Come on its rules of engagement in the way not the ability to do so.
I would love to believe that most law enforcement people would refuse to disarm America, but a paycheck and a pension normally buys total compliance to the whim of those handing out the dough.
Just keep on blaming white man for all of society’s ills….lets see where that gets ya………just like black men were blamed for all of society’s ills in the 60s
Don’t worry, they plan on it! But unlike then, its not just Black men. All Whites are being blamed for all of the world’s problem. Top that off with the message being preached in every avenue that Whites are irredeemable and inherently racist (evil) by nature.
I fully agree with everything you are saying today, Jim. Our culture is pretty sad indeed and the politicians are not standing up with conviction to turn any of it around for the better. Complexity within & between cultures and sovereigns just adds to the overall dynamic of failure for people, populations, & systems. High Finance is failing because of complexity and the lack of backing for monetary policy or fiat currency. The whole system is imploding because of the 08 crisis which was never ameliorated whatsoever.
Nature is an open systems cybernetic whereas our manufactured world of things is closed-looped and falling prey to the kind of entropy that allows manmade infrastructure to fall back to nature.
We have reached the nadir of life & civilization where everything will run downhill from this point. Moreover, the hysteria and histrionics of mass murder cuts through the noise of everyday life to sound the alarm for populations that something is amiss with respect to individual personality and neuropsychology when these kinds of levels of psychopathology manifest to yield yet more front page headlines of mayhem before coffee in the morning.
Life does indeed suck most days when society just ignores the pathology brewing individually amongst the less grounded in society.
One thing I full agree with you on is the importance of education.
And Freud always said…’where id was ego shall be’, eh.
RW
Very well summed up, James.
Jim,
You might add that for most of our young miscreants today the only realistic future they have is to either hire on with MICC Inc. and go spread this kind of mayhem overseas (but worry not, coming soon to a domestic locale near you as well) or become “independent contractors,” and just do it themselves right where they’re at with the resources they have at hand (no doubt facilitated by deep state operatives in most cases as well, of course). You almost have to admire their pluck for striking out on their own like this. They’re at least striving to be true originals – original copycats anyway – rather than mere derivative agents acting on behalf of the deep state.
Ahh well! We live, we die, and for the rest of our lives from here on out now we’re guaranteed to live in extremely interesting times, as the chickens of US hyper-militarism have indeed come home to roost. The peaceful world we imagined we grew up in (which was always a lie, to be sure) is giving way to the utterly anarchic and chaotic world we’ve created.
The peaceful world we imagined we grew up in
It was more peaceful, at least, for many Westerners.
One reason is the postwar order that was imposed and which held until the Vietnam era or so.
The other reason is that WW2 was a very effective agent of attrition that culled the boldest and most aggressive of the combatant nations. That demographic effect was smoothed over by generations of high birth rates.
Cheers
By the time the Yippies hit Chicago for their municipal & state police donnybrook the era of peace was in shambles and the hippies & establishment realized that speaking truth-to-power involved the corollary of peace which is violence. In brief, our childhood was not the Halcyon days you describe, Ol’ Scratch.
More importantly, it was domestic war between the state goons and the hippies.
The hippies won the war when Tricky Dick was unceremoniously turfed from office.
Peace out!
RW
The midnight blue screen of https://8ch.net/index.html and whatever else a man in the middle wants to push at them. The rest are questions.
I wonder how many get pushed before one pops. Did two go off this time. Once mission is accomplished do butterflies, bunnies and nerd porn get pushed to calm the un-triggered but aroused down. Scratch, what do you say?
Something like that. MK Ultra’s legacy is alive and thriving these days, that’s for damn sure.
The shooter is just a momentary concentration of everything else grinding the dignity and meaning out of American lives…
Profound and powerful writing.
The best phrase in this post: “a comic book conception of human power relations.” Couldn’t be any more true than that.
Et tu, Brute?
When I look around at the endless supply of ugly, crude, miserable people, who spend what little money they have either on self-mutilation in various forms, or drugs, I’m not surprised that this is happening. I’m more surprised that it’s not a daily occurrence.
What kind of hope can one have when we see no restraint on behavior anywhere anymore? Every fringe activity is now celebrated and accepted as normal behavior, when it should be pushed back to the fringe by a a society that understands that norms of behavior are there to maintain balance. The freakshow influencers that are running our culture are shoving this insanity down our throats, and telling us that if we don’t accept it, we’re all phobes. Any thinking person sees the unraveling that is happening from all this, but the mob keeps them quiet. At what point does the reaction occur, and are we only witnessing the initial symptoms?
When a society and culture are in anarchy, one can only expect these random insane acts from people who have no boundaries, no responsibility, no pride in themselves, and no hope.
People need a rudder to set their path through life. Call it education, parents or church, the first 5 to 10 years of life are critical for individual behavior and thought. Progressivism is trying its darndest to destroy the rudders of our society. What is left will aimlessly just drift away.
Everyday is a black mass. I can sense it from the bowels of every power center. I went to one of those large lawn concerts last night (free ticket from a buddy), and every other song was figuratively about worshiping Satan.
10 remarkable forecasts and assumptions that Washington is making and isn’t telling you.
These are all contained in the Congressional Budget Office’s most recent Long-Term Budget Outlook, the cornerstone document of government financial and economic planning.
1. We’re going to have a lot more immigrants. A lot. They’re expecting a net 22.5 million more immigrants to come to the U.S. over the next 20 years. By 2049, they’re expecting immigration to account for a stunning 87% of annual population growth.
2. We’re going to have a lot more illegal immigrants. Despite the current bluster and the scandals at the border, the CBO expects we’ll have 2.4 million more illegal immigrants (or “undocumented residents,” or whatever) in 20 years’ time than we have today.
3. We’re going to be up to our eyeballs in debt. The national debt is expected to skyrocket to an “unprecedented” 144% of gross domestic product by 2049, or twice the level today. That would put the debt just under $100 trillion. The figure today: Around $18 trillion. As recently as 2000: $4 trillion. Oh, and this isn’t even the worst-case scenario: The national debt could exceed 200% of GDP in 30 years’ time, the CBO acknowledges.
4. We’re going to owe so much money that by 2049 the annual interest on the debt will be about 5% of gross domestic product — roughly the share that we spend today on Social Security. And that’s even if interest rates stay low. Despite rising debt and federal spending, the government is expecting — or hoping — the average rate on federal debt will rise only from today’s lowly 2.4% to 4.2%, still modest by historic standards, by 2049.
5. This debt, and these deficits, will damage the economy. They will crowd private investment out of the debt markets, reducing income and growth, says the CBO. And as we’ll have to borrow more and more from abroad to finance the government, they’ll lead to bigger and bigger interest payments leaving the country.
6. Social Security, Medicare, other health programs and net interest are going to soak up so much of the budget that we’re going to have to slash everything else to the smallest share of the economy in 70 years — just 7%. The average over the past 50 years: 11%.
7. Just to keep the federal deficit to these levels, your taxes will go up. The Obama tax hike on “Cadillac” health-insurance plans will kick in starting in 2022, and the 2017 Trump tax cuts will expire in 2025.
8. Most working stiffs can say goodbye to any other tax cuts. Uncle Sam is explicitly relying on your taxes to go up thanks to “bracket creep,” where income-tax brackets rise only in line with inflation while your income — you hope — rises faster.
9. While tax rates go up for most people, they won’t for those earning the most. That’s because more and more of their income will be above the Social Security “cap,” saving them an effective 12.4% a year. The cap this year is $132,900.
10. Meanwhile, working stiffs will be taxed at twice the marginal rate of those who live on dividends. By 2049, says the CBO, labor income will be taxed at a marginal rate of 32%, compared to just 16% for capital income. Good to know, isn’t it?
It would be great to see some of this stuff come up in the presidential race, wouldn’t it?
Brett Arends is a MarketWatch columnist.
Greens are silent,
We’re going to have a lot more immigrants.
A lot.
They’re expecting a net 22.5 million more immigrants to come to the U.S. over the next 20 years. By 2049, they’re expecting immigration to account for a stunning 87% of annual population growth.
Environmental destruction does not matter to Greens as long as there are endless streams of Browns to replace Whites. That is the only reasonable conclusion one can arrive at given the environmental movements’ complete silence on the negative ecological effects of mass immigration. The same hypocrisy that exists throughout the entire diseased edifice.
Apparently Malth, you never got the message,
It is whites and whites alone who are responsible for climate change and environmental degredation,
The only way for whitey to ameliorate his guilt is to cough up copious amounts of swag and pay off everybody else. That’s what the Paris Accord was all about.
Brh
More utter tosh, SSL.
Why? Use your logic if you have any. She has plenty, as does Malthus. Or are you saying the immigrants don’t cause environmental havoc, that only Whites do? Explain that.
This is utter tosh:
“Environmental destruction does not matter to Greens as long as there are endless streams of Browns to replace Whites.”
Two obvious faulty statements:
1) The Greens care very much about environmental destruction. Any statement to the contrary needs to be supported by some shred of evidence, no matter how fragile, or it will be called out for what it is, utter tosh.
2) “An endless stream of Browns to replace Whites”. This is the trope chanted by your khaki-trousered wank-job friends at Charlottesville and is simply unsupported fake-news, Breitbart-level misinformation, which sponges like you, SSL and many others here suck up and incorporate into your deluded, twisted, nasty angry belief system.
And it’s utter tosh, as well.
I don’t disagree that increasing population has an effect on the environment.
But these people are simply MOVING from one place to another, so the impact is no greater on the overall environment as if they stayed in any one place.
Your logic is thus flawed Majella. It isn’t just as simple as people moving. If it were you wouldn’t allow it. For example, would you be supportive if five million White Southerners said “to hell with this” and migrated to the Amazon Rainforest because they thought they were simply going to have better economic circumstances and Brazil isn’t enforcing its border anyway? Would you see the thousands of acres of rainforest that would be destroyed to make room for us migrants as just simple collateral damage of people moving around? Would you say to yourself, wow well at least all them woods in the South aren’t getting cut down anymore? Yeah didn’t think so. You need to refocus and recenter yourself.
SSL:
More utter tosh. I particularly admire how you reach a conclusion for me and then invite me to “refocus & recentre” myself. That’s REALLY funny.
Also, I’d applaud it if 5 million Southerners (you and your extended family, I’m guessing) moved off to Brazil. You already have tolerance of the weather. However, I doubt the Amazon would be your destination, just as the immigrants trying to get into the US aren’t looking to settle in Yellowstone.
The Amazon destruction is already well established, clearing vast areas daily – firstly for the logs, then for grazing beef (for McDonalds et al), growing palm oil (for US dairy industry), pineapples, nuts, spices & coffee for the rest of the world.
This massive and continuing deforestation of rainforests (right around the tropical belt) is considered the 2nd largest driver of climate change (you know, that Chinese hoax).
Yes SSL is a much nastier gal than I thought. All in all what an infested swamp the comments section of CFN is.
Are you proud of it JHK? I hope not.
I’m surprised that an educated and thoughtful, decent man such as JHK attracts such a wide swath of nasty people who are so flippant about mass murder. But of course it were a bunch of Southern Baptists slaughtered I’m sure the tone would be different.
No actually 100% correct everywhere they mass migrations go trash and filth are left in the wake!
https://cis.org/Sussis/Trash-Border-Highlights-Environmental-Cost-Illegal-Immigration
See you think you actually have a clue and yet well you don’t.
“Trash” lying around isn’t ‘environmental degradation’. It’s just trash, and can be cleaned up. Heck, the way youdescribe it, San Diego and LA would have areas with as much ‘trash’ lying around.
And they do!
Los Angeles is now so trashed out that the rats are out of control and the plague has returned!
Are you cleaning up your spot, or contributing it by distributing bottled water to the indigent?
As I said, it’s just TRASH…it’s not toxic effluent being poured into a water table or tons of sulfur dioxide being pumped into the atmosphere.
THAT’S environmental degradation, and you & SSL can please admit that the trash that a few thousand people moving along leaves behind, does NOT qualify.
@majella
But it does!
Who is going out to the deserts to clean up the mess certainly not you!
What about our desert tortoise eating plastic and dying?
How could you not care about poor little bugs bunny hopping through the filth these people leave everywhere!
I’m constantly cleaning up after pigs at the beach, the parks and yes the desert when I am out there.
Leave footprints but take everything else with you.
It is standard ICE knowledge find the trash trails and find the corridors coyotes use to smuggle people and drugs in.
Most of the trash is plastic in the form of water bottles.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-immigration-usa-trash/migrant-trash-piles-up-at-remote-u-s-mexico-border-areas-idUSTRE80S0QB20120129
I live right next to some of the most used pathways until they built the big marvelous wall in San Diego!
Spent weeks cleaning up around Kitchen creek, Campo and Buckman springs some of the prettiest areas in the United States,
Worse they are stomping down trails and plants as well as disrupting entire eco systems.
The iconic Sierra Clubber David Brower split with that organization over the issue of population:
“Brower was one of the original supporters of a 1998 Sierra Club referendum in favor of reducing immigration to stop U.S. population growth. When this was defeated after a bitter fight, Brower told Outside magazine:
The leadership are fooling themselves. Overpopulation is a very serious problem, and overimmigration is a big part of it. We must address both. We can’t ignore either.
Yet in spite of Brower’s admonition, the Sierra Club continued to ignore U.S. population and immigration.
In May 2000, during his final year, in a dramatic gesture reflecting Brower’s disenchantment with the organization to which he had dedicated so much of his life, he resigned from the Sierra Club board. And he told the San Francisco Chronicle:
The world is burning and all I hear from them is the music of violins…Overpopulation is perhaps the biggest problem facing us and immigration is part of the problem. It has to be addressed.”
https://www.capsweb.org/blog/homage-iconic-conservationist-david-brower-omits-population
Unfortunately for the environment right now the primary goal of the Elite is the complete Browning of the West. This requires massive immigration and accelerated environmental destruction. Once the White middle and working classes are rendered non-issues then the Browns become expendable too and then the Elite will depopulate them and attempt a New World. The Georgia Guidestones provide the basic agenda.
Sheesh.. it’s a TOSH-FEST here today, SSL.
You make assertions without any basis in reality. Where’s your evidence that “the primary goal of the Elite is the complete Browning of the West.”
And DON’T use the Georgia Guidestones as ‘evidence’.
Sheesh.. it’s a TOSH-FEST here today, SSL.
This kind of tosh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABc8ciT5QLs
https://petertosh.com/history/
A note from that notoriously conservative radio entity, NPR:AR-15-style rifles were around for more than 40 years before one was used in a mass killing, at an apartment in Crandon, Wis., in 2007. The shooter killed six people and then took his own life .https://www.npr.org/2018/02/28/588861820/a-brief-history-of-the-ar-15
My recall may be faulty, but I think the Thompson submachine gun had a similar reputation in the Roaring Twenties.
Cheers
Possibly so. Now, how many mass killings were started by Tommy Guns? The St Valentine’s day Massacre
The reason we remember the St, Valentines Day Massacre is because it was a rare occurrence.
May 15, 1927, Bath, Michigan
School board member attacks local HS with revolver and dynamite, 45 dead,
In 1947, in Camden, NJ, WW2 vet goes berserk, with .30 cal M1 carbine kills 8.
In 1947, in Camden, NJ, WW2 vet goes berserk, with .30 cal M1 carbine kills 8. – BRH
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The killer’s name was Howard Unruh. It was 1949, and he killed 13 with a Luger pistol. It took place 4-5 miles from where I lived. I recall hearing it on the radio at the time. TVs were not in general use in those days.
I am surprised this does not happen more often. In America we have a culture of war and violence . I will give you an example . Marvel comic books. I read and collected them when I was a kid in the 1960s . They did not have that much violence in them. There was a story line build up to climatic violence. Marvel movies are just the opposite non stop violence for little or no reason . With a story that is more concentrated on Social Justice than anything else. If gas was 5.00 a gallon I bet you would see more of this.
Watch the show the boys for violence and strange stuff.
>>> But it is probably necessary to make some kind of statement, say a ban on military-type weapons
No. The stats are very clear on this. Handguns—not rifles (and certainly not the AR-15)—account for the vast overwhelming majority of gun violence. Handguns were even used in high-profile mass shootings, such as the Charleston church and Fort Lauderdale airport shootings.
The AR-15 is simply the Left’s boogieman, the embodiment of the “evil black assault gun” they falsely claim are used by actual militaries in war scenarios.
But black paint and militaristic furnishings are style—not substance, and we all know how the Left will choose the former over the latter every time. The AR-15 is significantly less powerful than a classic wood stock bolt action hunting rifle. The sort of rifle “Tommy” would be carrying walking side by side with Lassie the dog. In many states, the AR-15’s .223 rounds are considered too weak for large game, and are unlawful to use for hunting.
Ultimately, for the Left, the AR-15 is a symbol of American gun freedom. So of course it’s public enemy #1. And if they manage to even temporarily ban its sale or purchase, they would promptly redirect their attention to other weapons. My point is that there’s no bargain to be made here.
It’s worth pointing out that “Giffords” Gun Prohibition Lobby has even gone after muzzle-loading riffles. After muskets! Pretty hard to argue that there’s a spate of musket mass shootings that need our attention. Doesn’t matter. Gun grabbers won’t stop at the AR-15; there’s no bargain to be had here. And so we can’t let them target any lawful firearm. Letting the Left have their AR-15 ban would be like Europe’s capitulation to Muslims on freedom of speech, making it unlawful to upset Muslims with caricatures of Muhammad.
Even though I’m not a big fan of ARs in civilian hands, you’re absolutely right on not giving an inch on the 2nd amendment, because that will only give them more fuel and confidence to keep coming and coming until they achieve their dream of banning all guns.
It’s called the philosophy of gradualism, jack….just like abortion was only legal in the first trimester. THAT didn’t quite work out that way, did it?
And remember, once they put the Constitution on the block, ALL the amendments are subject to change, not just the 2nd.
Indeed:
https://www.alternet.org/2017/06/billionaire-backed-movement-dangerously-close-calling-constitutional-convention/
The 2nd amendment doesn’t grant citizens the right to keep and bear arms, it just points out that we innately have that right and the government shall not infringe it.
Exactly. The Bill of Rights are negative freedoms. Freedom from, not freedom to. Dems get this mixed up all the time.
About 350 companies in the USA currently who manufacture AR 15 style rifles or make components for them. Its a popular weapon, about 20 million of them floating around the country now. (That’s 20 million out of 300 million firearms total)
We are well armed, to say the least.
Brh
since 1947 upwards of a quarter billion Kalashnikov rifles have been mfg, in more than 2 dozen countries. Its the Kalahnikov that is wiping out the large land animals in Africa, and arms up the myriad guerilla movements thru out the world.
The Deep State lobbying operates on a defensive style. Give them an inch and they will take a mile. The inertia from this style prevents constructive change.
The words of the El Paso mass murderer himself, posted just hours before went to that Walmart. This is just the section where he matter of factly discusses the guns he’ll be slaughtering fellow humans with:
“Main gun: AK47 (WASR 10) – I realized pretty quickly that this isn’t a great choice since it’s the civilian
version of the ak47. It’s not designed to shoot rounds quickly, so it overheats massively after about
100 shots fired in quick succession. I’ll have to use a
heat-resistant glove to get around this.
8m3 bullet: This bullet, unlike pretty much any other 7.62×39 bullet, actually fragments like a pistol
hollow point when shot out of an ak47 at the cost o
f penetration. Penetration is still reasonable, but not
nearly as high as a normal ak47 bullet. The ak47 is
definitely a bad choice without this bullet design, and
may still be with it.
Other gun(if I get one): Ar15 – Pretty much any variation of this gun doesn’t heat up nearly as fast a
s the
AK47. The round of this gun isn’t designed to frag
ment, but instead tumbles inside a target causing
lethal wounding. This gun is probably better, but I
wanted to explore different options. The ar15 is
probably the best gun for military applications but
this isn’t a military application.
This will be a test of which is more lethal, either
it’s fragmentation or tumbling.
I didn’t spend much time at all preparing for this
attack. Maybe a month, probably less. I have do this
before I lose my nerve. I figured that an under-prepared attack and a meh manifesto is better than no
attack and no manifesto….”
So Exscotticus you say the AR15 is the Left’s boogieman? I’d say it has been the boogieman of every human it has been used as a murder weapon on. Or has irreversibly made into a paraplegic, or quadriplegic.
There will be no gun grab in the US, so don’t worry. I’ve been hearing a gun grab is just around the corner since 1993. It’s less likely to happen now than it was even then. As JHK says there are just too many. It’s not feasible.
Oh, I can still find videos of Donald Trump saying in the 90s and last decade that he was for the assault weapons ban. Of course he was also pro choice and pro gay too. So who knows? Maybe he’ll flip again and go for a “gun grab”.
Nah. Ain’t happen’.
>>> So Exscotticus you say the AR15 is the Left’s boogieman? I’d say it has been the boogieman of every human it has been used as a murder weapon on.
Well according to your rhetoric, then, everything is the boogieman. Rocks, bricks, fists, pillows—anything that can kill. So we should ban it all?
Again you want to focus on style over substance. The substance is the stats. The AR-15 is so infrequently used in homicides that the FBI doesn’t even break it out into a separate category. Rifles in general account for 2%. The AR-15 is a fraction of 1%. And that’s counting suicides. The figures drop to half if we discount suicides.
As we’ve seen in London, take away the guns and knife attacks go up. Knives are even used in mass murders around the world. The idea that guns are special or unique in this regard is nonsense. Bladed weapons have even been used to commit genocide.
It’s significantly easier to outrun a knife than a bullet.
Tell that to O.J.’s dead wife. You remember – the one somebody killed then tried to make him look guilty.
Sorry, Majella, but you’re forgetting the human element.
Why on earth didn’t these people outrun the knives?
How on earth did these people manage to outrun the bullets?
The guy in that latter example, btw, who yelled, “I don’t like white people in my hood!” while he opened fire, was NOT charged with a hate crime. I guess hate crimes only apply to white supremacists.
Ex:
In the first instance, I can only surmise that these Uighur extremists used some level fo stealth, rather than running at people brandishing machetes & screaming blue murder.
Besides that, we don’t know how many DID get away by running like the clappers, do we?
In the 2nd instance, the guy was clearly a fool and again, I’d surmise he wasn’t trying very hard to hit anyone. I see he gave himself up 4 days later (maybe once the meth had run dry?).
As to how he was charged, I couldn’t see any reference in the article as to whether it was a ‘hate crime’ or not. However, being held in custody on account of he can’t afford the $480,000 bond sounds like the cops & court are taking the idiot seriously.
What else do you want? All you ‘White Tribers’ on here are CONSTANTLY searching for any meager piece of any story you can spin into yet another example of how you’re all being picked on and put upon by those nasty Browns and the ‘race-traitors’ (like me, I assume) who call you all out as bullshit artists.
>>> Besides that, we don’t know how many DID get away by running like the clappers, do we?
No we don’t. But THEY DIDN’T. So much for your theory about outrunning knives.
>>> In the 2nd instance… I’d surmise he wasn’t trying very hard to hit anyone.
Speaking from experience? Are you telling us that you shoot people regularly in your line of work and it’s a doddle?
Even professional soldiers can empty entire magazines and not hit a thing. And you? I bet you’ve never even held a firearm.
>>> As to how he was charged, I couldn’t see any reference in the article as to whether it was a ‘hate crime’ or not.
I think the part where he yelled “I don’t like white people in my hood!” while committing a felony was the giveaway. But please continue to argue that if this had been a white guy yelling about blacks while shooting at them, the Left would not have even mentioned racism at all.
Yet all these mass murderers in the US don’t choose knives. Of course there’s a logical reason for this that is totally lost on you Excotticus.
It is shameful that you are old enough to be my father, but I feel like you have the reasoning mentality of a middle schooler at best.
>>> Yet all these mass murderers in the US don’t choose knives.
2016 Ohio restaurant machete attack
2016 Ohio State University attack
2017 Portland train attack
Franklin Regional High School stabbing
Gage Park murders
Lone Star College stabbing
Silver City Galleria attack
Spring High School stabbing
St. Cloud mall stabbing
University of California, Merced stabbing attack
Perhaps if the Left tried to spin political gold from all these mass stabbings the way they do for guns, you would have remembered them.
>>> Yet all these mass murderers in the US don’t choose knives.
2016 Ohio restaurant machete attack
2016 Ohio State University attack
2017 Portland train attack
Franklin Regional High School stabbing
Gage Park murders
Lone Star College stabbing
Silver City Galleria attack
Spring High School stabbing
St. Cloud mall stabbing
University of California, Merced stabbing attack
Perhaps if the Left tried to spin political gold from all these mass stabbings the way they do for guns, you would have remembered them.
muzzle-loading riffles. – exscot
===========
Sounds like a salty snack mothers pack in their kids lunch box (if mothers still pack their kids’ lunches).
Don’t bash muskets someone trained properly can get off three shots a minute.
Being in a Walmart is a soul killing experience all by itself.
And then someone starts shooting…
Nome sayin’?
Nome sayin”?
Maybe a symptom of the times the shooter was trying to expose in his mind.
Apparently, from the moment you step inside the store, everything you say, every move you make, is recorded.
His name was Timmy, not Tommy…just sayin
A plague of madness is here, but it is geometric, discontinuous, and non-linear …
I’m noticing here in Seattle … the attitudes people hold towards each other, the pervasive insider-outsider duality … as things get worse, we will have more and more cliques … and then? – then, the civil war that hits the USA will make the Yugoslav Civil War (91-98) look like a tea party.
Yes … a plague of madness has arrived.
https://soundcloud.com/daniel-sullivan-505714723/little-saigon-report-93-empires-and-madness
Why the mass shootings ?
This question was answered long time ago.All the mass shooters took some kind of psychotropic drugs.Those drugs appear to work for a while,patient is serene & pacified,but the pressure slowly builds up inside.Then the pressure cooker explodes.
But since Big Pharma is much bigger and richer than gun manufacturers it is them damn vile guns that kill people.
P.S.
Spoons make people fat.And ropes cause suicides by hanging.
And God didn’t make those Little Green apples
The divisions in our society are being intentionally caused. We have political institutions that make their living splitting us apart. They derive their power base by trying to destroy what is left of our cohesiveness. The encourage the divisive introduction of foreign peoples to make our society more multi-cultural. Multi-cultural means divisiveness, we do not share a common culture anymore. The Progressives openly state that they want the nature of America to change. We have power sports figures demeaning our culture as represented by the national anthem. Hollywood, in its fantasy world, condemns just about everything American.
Just try to jot down what the USA stands for now. It is not much. I see constant criticism in the blog of the US. Everything we do seems to be wrong.
It is true, most of our existence today would have been called evil two generations ago. In the “Best Years of our Lives”, Homer the sailor, gets into a fight with a gentleman for espousing Communistic thoughts. Now we have Bernie Sanders defending the same baloney in a debate on national TV, with most of the rest of the stage signing right up. Acceptance of violence is everywhere, games, movies, TV. Used to be femininity was a counterbalance to male tendency toward violence. Those days are gone, women have forgotten this role in society in their desire for power. The attitude about guns is so indicative of the changes. Guns were a part of our culture, hunting, target shooting and household protection. Today, thanks to the NRA, they are just another expression of political power. Those aforementioned males collect them now. I have more guns than you.
My number one is social media. Social connections maintain neighborhoods. The main connections were between mothers and children as dads were off to work. No longer. Social media is just another method for people to disconnect from one another. The PC nerd ideal, so prevalent in the US today is for everyone to operate out of their home with no interaction. You know, it is working too.
Man is inherently an animal. We identify animal tendencies as evil. High tech is a huge aggravation of our tendency. It just magnifies evil whether it is cyber meddling in elections, splitting neighborhoods, or producing better and better ways of killing each other.
We are following a natural degradation of humanity, yes natural. Good overcomes evil only when people care. The caring side of the Average American is being degraded in a myriad of ways. Civility, tolerance, empathy, common causes are all victims of the divisive nature of this country.
Who is to blame? Again, I blame the Progressive drift as their mechanism is division. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and destroys humanity. The Deep State is about to pull this one off.
Watching the political reaction to the two three shootings. What a bunch of garbage. No one knows what to do and they are floundering in their “we will pray for them” baloney.
Until our society becomes a kinder place to be, the evil nature is just going to increase in intensity. Better hold on, it is going to be a rough ride.
>>> Today, thanks to the NRA, they are just another expression of political power. Those aforementioned males collect them now. I have more guns than you.
Totally unfair. To a simple-minded liberal, all guns are equal and all guns are bad. But firearms are highly specialized, and this is why gun-owners tend to have more than one.
Let’s start with a powerful firearm that’s considered the baseline for lawful gun ownership: the shotgun. Heck, shotguns are even “may issue” lawful in the UK. Some are purely defensive, while others are better for skeet/trap. Some recycle faster but are less reliable. Some are more portable but have fewer features. Always trade-offs, which is why gun owners tend to own more than one.
I’d also point out that criminals aren’t likely to be NRA members. You can’t steal the membership; it doesn’t come with your welfare packge; you actually have to pay your dues.
If there were any around to ask the World war 1 Germans about shotguns they tried to get them outlawed.
Yea the same people popping off mustard gas or chlorine gas.
They also used incendiary devices like the two-pound thermite and magnesium Elektron against Spain near the end of the war.
The cure is to make the male initiation available to young men. Many old cultures understood that unless you subject a young man to a rite of passage in nature where his ego could feel powerless in that awe inspiring setter he would learn the right use of power and that is for the good of all.
“…it will require the demise of the things that have worked so hard to destroy all that, namely, the tyranny of the giants, the town-killing Walmarts, the suffocating monster of government, the media manipulators of reality, the too-big-to-fail banks. ”
Don’t omit the demise of a significant portion of the population. Trying to support the overshoot is the cause of the “tyranny of the giants”, they are, as Tainter points out, complex solutions to a problem.
Young men with guns are but a shadow what is coming. Beware of the men with test tubes of CAS-9.
“Wer spricht von Siegen? Überstehen ist alles” – “Who speaks of victory? Endurance is everything” — Rainer Maria Rilke
Until our society becomes a kinder place to be, the evil nature is just going to increase in intensity. Better hold on, Until is focus instead of humanism, atheism and materialism we won’t become that kinder society. We cringe when hear the term “allahu akbar, by our rallying cry might as well be Non Sunr Dii
That’s Non SUNT Dii
Hey Epicur: See the above post: The 2018 birthrate was flat. Since the day of a Caucasian minority is coming to an end, statistically speaking, All will be well soon. Hmmmmmmmmm………I wonder who “they’ll” blame for America’s ills when the whites are no longing a majority? Oh right. Their legacy. Nice to know that there’s always a new set of “victims” ready to step up and be counted.
In SA, whites are down to 8% of the population; they are still being blamed for the disaster the country has become.
Does that answer your question?
Whiteness goes a long way.
Don’t know if I should feel flattered.
At this point it is imperative that everyone values our experiment in self governance understand HOW we arrived at having a Bill of Rights in our Constitution. COMPROMISE
Those of us who understand the necessity of the rights afforded to us by our Second Amedment know that this cannot be left to be decided by the advertising media or the populace our host so accurately describes.
The advocates of the Second Amendment must develop a method of compromise that will allow the population to remain a bulwark against tyranny. The right to bear arms in defense of our nation against domestic tyranny must not be abridged. Defense of the nation is not a hobby, a 100 round magazine at a shooting range is. Anyone who is under the impression that a 100 round magazine will serve them in confrontation with an armoured personnel carrier and the inhabitants within firing armour piercing rounds from the gun ports is a fool.
Allowing our children to be no more than an easy mark in some marketing scheme is a world class case of dumbfuckery. Giving your child another box of sugary cereal in lieu of a path to personal responsibility is the path that is now being filled with murdered citizens and guests. Turn of the TV take away the phone hand the little bastards a broom a rake or a shovel and learn to say the most important word in a parent’s aresenal. NO!!!!!
I contend that the Constitutional compromise was between fundamental ways of seeing the world, those being:
1. A more fatalist view that allows limits to our ability to shape the world, and
2. an activist view that believes we can shape the world to conform to our wishes.
The activists have won and the only struggle now is the proper shape – i.e. what do we wish the world to be? With the majority in their camp they see no problem in sweeping the Constitution aside.
I am strongly in the first camp, but, unlike some young men with guns, I see no need to fight against the second camp. Nature bats last, and Nature swings a big bat.
Well now, over 50 whites are slaughtered in Las Vegas. A synagogue massacre happens. School children are murdered in CT and they are mostly white. In Chicago there is a continuous party of murder and mayhem among blacks. But now, we have an attack on Hispanics. Will there be any reaction differences? Perhaps so with 2020 coming fast.
The other usual slaughters will go on unabated. Drugs. Booze. Doctors and hospitals. Automobiles. Etc. oh, and abortion.
Clearly, it is guns that make the difference for some reason. I guess they are just more romantic in a sense.
you know people who had relatives killed in Connecticut.
yet others say it never happened.
Oh, it happened Malthus.
People who deny it apparently have some kind of twisted agenda.
Brh
There are those who believe we live in an illusion. No more than a part of a matrix style reality. Then there are those who believe that everything that occurs is by some cosmic plan. I believe I will go get a beer.
A fine essay today, JHK. Thank you.
Atomized little consumer units is what they wanted and atomized consumer units is exactly what they got. No loyalty or solidarity to anyone or anywhere. Only brand loyalty matters. Is it any wonder that those at the edges of the normal distribution have taken the last step to insanity and acted out their angst? That’s what it is to be free in America.
“When you need the police in seconds, they are only minutes away.”
How is it, this time, the officers were actually only SECONDS away?
A profound essay and many profound comments. I liked this one by Jack Straw.
“What kind of hope can one have when we see no restraint on behavior anywhere anymore? Every fringe activity is now celebrated and accepted as normal behavior, when it should be pushed back to the fringe by a a society that understands that norms of behavior are there to maintain balance.”
Restraint? Norms? Are we to believe that the American ideals of individual freedom and personal liberty are subject to restraint? That my right to believe and behave as I choose is subject to societal norms? That my right to do as I please should be curbed by the rights of others?
It’s tempting to think that if we could just put the freaks back in the closet … or wherever, that society could begin to heal. And maybe there’s some truth to that. But I suspect that once we pushed fringe activity back to the fringes, we’d begin targeting whoever is next in the hierarchy of undesirables. Eventually I become a target.
What are norms made out of anyway? A shared culture, I guess. Or majority rule (mob rule), perhaps. If we’ve abandoned the norms, how do we go about re-establishing them when the current US population is in disagreement about almost everything. Just think about this list and how divergent our beliefs are about right and wrong: pre-marital sex, extra-marital sex, same-sex marriage, divorce, burkas, circumcision, alcohol consumption, hunting for sport, cheating on taxes, cheating on homework. I could go on…
There’s stuff in the quote above that resonates, but I worry that we’ve blown through the cultural barriers of what is acceptable and may have neither the knowledge nor the tools nor the social environment to rebuild them.
Pride Month needs to be celebrated the entire summer, not just June.
Oh what the hell, just make every month ‘Pride Month’.
Why not?
Brh
“There’s stuff in the quote above that resonates, but I worry that we’ve blown through the cultural barriers of what is acceptable and may have neither the knowledge nor the tools nor the social environment to rebuild them.”
For me, and, I think, JHK there is no question that we have blown (are blowing?) through the current barriers, but I believe that is an artifact of our present situation, not a permanent loss of what gave birth to the barriers in the first place. We certainly cannot “rebuild” anything until we hit bottom (IMO), but the bottom will come. When the rebuilding comes it cannot be an image of what has gone before, but an adaption to the circumstances of that time.
I think that if the USA were isolated we could rescue most of our cultural norms in a century or so, but we are not. We abandoned isolation long ago, by 1846, at the latest, and will share a fate with an overcrowded world.
I ramble, but my point is that the “barriers” are an emergent phenomenon of human nature – they emerge out of chaos. Humans cannot live without society and society is bound to the strange attractors of human nature. We will not “rebuild” the exact configuration, but humans will continue to organize society around the same “strange attractors” and life will go on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attractor
Mass execution-style shootings in the USA and the theory of world projects
In the United States yesterday, two crazies in two different states (Texas and Ohio) shot a lot of people, and on Friday another crazy shot many people in California.
And on this sad day, I can’t help but remember how often I am reproached for being nutcase in my attitude toward Hillary Clinton and the theory of world projects, and it is those people who, for explaining such events, carry such nonsense that is shame to read.
In particular, today in this nonsense an honorable place is occupied by the suddenly increased aggressiveness of the initially aggressive Americans or the total madness that suddenly seized them because of the “suddenly” increased availability of firearms.
Meanwhile, the theory of world projects explains these events very simply and logically: someone from the Black World Project learned to manipulate people, apparently transmitting something like a 25th frame, after watching which people with a well-defined psycho-type who might have received the appropriate drugs or neuro-linguistic programming, take up arms and go settle accounts with human society.
https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67591084_10219836564409765_2177203799486103552_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQk2CIJix4PGz6d3lLfYrMSvgnVtqhP6gYeGcKyZchGwn2i6M_8rBn8fyokJXo_AxK8&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=318c53b381a3832b057bbc3a4d903bbc&oe=5DD2C980
Actually such technologies are known long ago, since the time of Hasan-Ibn-Sabbah, as well as their use for political purposes after appropriate drugs or neuro-linguistic programming, which is the hallmark of the Black World Project from the time of the “saint” Bernard of Clairvaux and the Order of the Templars, whose charter “saint” Bernard wrote.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan-i_Sabbah
And the Templars during the Crusades communicated with the disciples of the aforementioned Hasan-Ibn-Sabbah a lot, and this communication is well documented by all kinds of frictions of the Crusaders with Muslims after incidents provoked by the use of such technologies in the 12th century(!).
Moreover, according to one of the theories, the Crusades were originally such frictions, provoked by the application of these methods.
Well, in this case, I think the theory of world projects decisively proved not only its explanatory, but also predictive power – it’s enough to recall that all these incidents are invariably used as an excuse to cancel the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution guaranteeing the Americans the right to create militia for armed resistance to politicians denying the election results.
Assuming that one of the representatives of the Black World Project snuck into one of those forums that I’ve been writing about for a month in connection with the night after the fire on Losharik, when a state of emergency was quite officially declared in the United States and Vice President Pence was ordered to urgently return to Washington.
Which, in fact, made Trump’s supporters worry for half an hour for the life of their beloved leader and begin to mobilize a “properly organized militia” in full accordance with the Second Amendment to the Constitution.
But the most interesting thing is that the second mass execution of the day took place live on TV and was obviously side effect of the first, taking the media by surprise and allowing various representatives of the White House in their respective interviews to show that their line of reasoning coincides with mine and rather clearly hint at the possibility of turning this post into an official position of the White House in the event that the offensive of the Black World Project does not stop, the offensive which started about a week ago and signifies returning of the course to Trump’s overthrow by force, and not by elections.
‘You never want a serious crisis to go to waste’
In the US every mass shootings causes further relaxation and even abolishment of gun regulations.Call it “the law of unintended consequences”.
Constitutional carry:
As of June 26, 2019, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho (residents only), Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, North Dakota (residents only; concealed carry only), Oklahoma (effective November 1, 2019), South Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia and Wyoming (residents only) do not require a permit to carry a loaded concealed firearm for any person of age who is not prohibited from owning a firearm.
Permitless carry in Idaho, North Dakota and Wyoming is applicable to residents only; nonresidents must have a permit to carry a concealed handgun in these states. All aforementioned jurisdictions do not require a permit to openly carry either except for North Dakota and certain localities in Missouri.
As simple as that,folks.If you are a regular guy-2nd Amendment is your gun permit.Or,the citizens of constitutional carry states now have the same “rights” as career criminals 🙂
To this I would add another phenomena. Every time there’s a mass shooting, Dems politicize it and start talking about a ban. This immediately results in millions ordering more firearms—the exact opposite of what Dems want.
Ask any gun store owner; business booms when there’s a mass shooting.
I guess that professional bleeding hearts never heard about the root cause analysis or the ultimate vs proximate cause.
Want to prevent school shootings-restrain the psychiatric pill pushers.
Well,Mr.Excotticus,as the bumper stickers in normal states wisely tell us-
FIGHT CRIME-SHOOT BACK !
Call it the law of unintended consequences. Who can forget Prohibition? Well-intentioned, perhaps. But a total failure in every regard. Not only did it not stop the manufacture, distribution, sale, or consumption of alcohol, but it contributed to the rise of powerful gangsters and crime in general. Many of the crazy gun laws we have were enacted during this time.
State-wide Prohibitions existed well before XVIII Amendment and remained long after XVIII Amendment was repealed.Even now we may call Louisiana a “wet state” and Utah a “dry state”.
No dyed-in-the-wool gun nut would approve the idea of every NYC or LA dweller carrying silenced handgun.
On the other hand silencers are nowadays legal in 40 states.Montana went so far as to nullify all federal firearm regulations using 10th Amendment as a tool.
DIVERSITY WORKS !
>>> .Even now we may call Louisiana a “wet state” and Utah a “dry state”.
No “dry” state can stop you from purchasing alcohol across the state line, driving it back into your state, and drinking it. To argue that Prohibition was insignificant because states had their own laws before and after just doesn’t fit the facts.
>>> No dyed-in-the-wool gun nut would approve the idea of every NYC or LA dweller carrying silenced handgun.
We’d only approve the LAWFUL ones. And there’s no such thing as a “silenced” handgun. More Lefty/MSM/Hollywood nonsense. A suppressor would add a lot of weight and bulk and be difficult to conceal. Carry that on a hot summer day? I don’t think so.
There are many ways to characterize the consequences of too many redundant humans. Too many people, too few niches.
I see the gun nuts are out in full force, even here.
No sympathy from me. You guys can slaughter each other for all I care. Remember, the long descent will eliminate most emergency rooms and hospitals, especially in the open spaces that you are so fond of, so, you’re on your own. Just like the wild west. One bullet and you’re gone.
All of those “evil libruls” who, you know, staff all of the hospitals and dutifully go in and save all of the “masculine fighting gun toting men” of America from so many gunshots, they’re not going to do it forever.
All is fair. I’m not saying you should side with me, I’m just saying you guys can go your own way. If your idea of a society is everybody shooting each other, you are free to have that society. Let us have ours.
You can have California. Plant your flag in a steaming, heaping pile of human feces that litter the streets of LA and SF. And you’ll be needin your A1 hospitals to treat rampant hepatitism ebola and plague in your utopian sanctuary cities. Good luck!
Brh
You might want to actually look at most of the shootings and look at who they vote for and claim to be!
Most are democrat voters or supporters.
I’m interested Jim in your thoughts and ideas how to perk up economically your Greenwich, NY town? It seems in the past there was one or two main business anchors and or a source material like clay, slate, stone or wood to build a community around. I’ve been a proponent of farmers markets since my youth along with flea markets. These alone can benefit a downtrodden town but not make it prosperous but some anchor that employs many. I oppose people traveling long distances for work for a multiple of reasons like energy consumption and time. Mass transit can be faster and I am a fan of light rail everywhere to displace a car centric nation. We need to see golf carts and bicycles instead of SUV’s. I voluntarily gave vehicle ownership up 21 years ago when I moved to Las Vegas after a 20yr privatization of a Ohio state job. I mover back to N.E. Ohio and now retired to N.E Florida and have only had bicycles, borrowed vehicles public transit and friends to get around. I started out after high school working for G E in Cleveland’s GE Small Appliance repair shop. yes people did bring or mail in items for repair like toasters, Irons a such small appliances. I was in the office recruited from Sunbeam as their bench repairman and got the job because I could type (The managers daughter worked with my girlfriend at Ohio Bell). I ordered many parts from the GE corridor from cities like Utica. I handled correspondence from the mostly WWII era who received a toaster as a wedding gift and for 20 yrs served them faithfully until it wore out. We gladly repaired it not trashed it. I’m about your age Jim a year younger and of about the same mind set. I would like to see changes in transportation and more local and area supply chains. I would also like to see or banking system work for the people. Be nice to see people live comfortably but frugally and be able to save not go into debt.
Somewhat apropos, anyone ever do one of those Hudson riverboat tours? The overnight kind where you actually have a cabin?
If I could do one thing to help stop this madness it would be to require the whole damn country to regularly attend a twelve step program and follow its instructions. There’s nothing like a good dose of self awareness and humility to relieve a man of his delusions. Sobriety and maturity are humbling journeys and not for sissies. Thus, most will not undertake the challenge. For that reason I will hold on to my guns and buy even more ammunition for the war will come, whether I like it or not. I will be waiting on my porch, in my rocking chair, smoking my tobacco pipe.
One man against an organized Leftist posse or a gang of colored marauders. Your “get off my lawn” nationalism is a comittment to defeat. This isn’t how we took this Land from the Indians – nor from the British and French.
No man stands alone. Humility.
Janos, I am well aware that I will actually have to take the battle to them. My statement was more about not being afraid of their bullshit. Unfortunately I have no personal experience with guerilla warfare. But then neither did the Colonists. And yet ultimately they prevailed when the circumstances demanded it. It took decades of the Crown’s abuse and excesses before that critical threshold was reached where they organized themselves and heroes arose spontaneously. Thus will it be with the Silent majority, many of whom own such assault weapons which are being misused today but which will prove useful in the war which is coming. Then only the treasonous, the decadent, the perverse, the debauched and the guilty will perish, not the innocent (illegal or not).
Bravo for your clarity. Copperhead? Me too.
JHK – spot on today. Quite the descriptive truth-bomb in describing the carved-out insides of our current collective “culture”.
For what it’s worth, your second paragraph could be read nearly verbatim tonight by the President in a national television address on this situation, to rave review (were he only so articulate, and, well, not universally seen as socially inept to most voters left and right). Perhaps only changing the repeated word “no” to “less”, to refrain from alienating those who would take it as an insult to be lumped in with the rest of the masses in these problems.
Great post.
Ha…GGG makes my point eloquently just now as I submitted my comment…he just referred to the victims in “Toledo”. Clearly he would murder your writing in ways we can only imagine…best to keep it on the page, I suppose.
“for their pitiful daily needs, their Hot Pockets, their disposable diapers, their roach spray.”
Our Host has provided a metaphor for the tawdry level (and our contempt) of the living standards of the great unwashed.
It reminds me of a song that further amplifies this theme;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P37xPiRz1sg
If you have not yet heard Keene sing this, you are in for a treat.
Very profound and heartfelt, JHK. I am moved.
CNN was on in the diner I had lunch at, I couldn’t help but watch. They have it already figured out. Who’ to blame? 1) President Trump. 2) The NRA. 3) White supremacists.
There it is.
Brh
The word REPLACEMENT, banned,
https://www.takimag.com/article/none-dare-call-it-replacement/
I stopped paying attention to anything CNN may say a long time ago…
I watch more CNN than anything else.
One must know what the enemy is up to.
Here’s a possible reason: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/markmeckler/2018/02/27-deadliest-mass-shooters-26-one-thing-common/?fbclid=IwAR06beyeWUGeVZjsyFMjekddngiiPhmBFODAR_n-o6nNV0ZLFGdnemzxrIc
As a teen back in the 80’s, it took considerable effort to obtain magazines that featured photos of pretty, smiling, topless women; now, any young child has unlimited access to the most hardcore and depraved porn one click away. Arcades offered rather simple videogames for a quarter, pinball and air hockey, and you’d meet your friends there. It wasn’t the solipsistic, obsessive addiction to violence that we see now, where not just teens, but grown men, after working all day in front of a screen go home and spend countless hours alone in dark rooms immersed in virtual reality mass murder. It seems ages ago that one didn’t carry a powerful computer in his pocket at all times, to constantly look at the screen and curate a digital doppelganger living a life much more meaningful than the real thing. One spent more time outside, interacting with others and with Nature, family and friends meant something more than “likes”. Heck, “street cred” meant something, at least in my punk rock circle, can you take one for the team? Are you real, or a phony? Can you navigate the real world as a man without going crying to your mommy, a teacher or the police? Those things were important. They have been replaced with instagramming badass $200 “urban” sneakers and being offended if anyone anywhere says anything that makes you feel “unsafe”. Each mass shooting in my beloved USA is followed by talking heads wondering “where do all these monsters come from?” They come from within. This Brave New World we have accepted incubates them, and they hatch periodically in bloodbaths that leave us numbed. There’s only one word to describe our world: meaningless. We are consumers tethered to devices that follow us, entertain us, and sell us more devices. Amid environmental and social collapse caused in large part by technology, the only answer our thinking classes come up with is more technology, robots, artificial intelligence, virtual reality. I pity the young, starting with my own children. They have grown up in the panopticon, sold all the lies of a perverse society, starting with the biggest lie of all: that technology has made our lives better, when it is obvious that it has made it considerably worse. As Groucho Marx memorably said, “are you gonna believe me, or your own eyes?” And most people’s eyes cannot see the real world anymore for what it is, a dystopia of consumerism, isolation and irrelevance. You are nothing, you mean nothing, go back to your screen, nothing you do or say has the least importance. Bloody outbursts dot this terminal ennui, and the system starts beating the drum again: gun control, gun control. Sure, by all means, but look at the facts: gun-controlled Chicago has the highest rate of gun violence; mass murder doesn’t require guns, as our Muslim brothers eloquently prove every time they pummel dozens to death with stolen trucks or blow them up w homemade bombs; London is seeing an explosion of jihadi violence based around knife and acid attacks; gun bans never affect criminals, who have networks to obtain what they want, unlike law abiding citizens; most people in Switzerland and Israel have to train with the army every year, and keep assault weapons at home, yet these episodes don’t happen; our Constitution guarantees the right to be armed, including militia-type weapons; 60 years ago, about the same percentage of Americans were armed, yet mass shootings were rare as strong values and meaningful lives prevailed. Nope, it’s not the guns. It’s the meaninglessness. It’s the disappearance of social and moral rules and common decency, the Balkanization of America into class, race and gender Bantustans without any uniting common culture. Above all, it’s the technology. The right move would be to severely curb it, ban the iphone, enforce nationwide tech-free days, give young people the experience of a day working hard in fields and workshops and away from the fucking evil screens.
I agree with you completely. Brave New World offered us all the cheap thrills we wanted and those, like a child with a new toy, were quickly sated. What was left? Ratchet up the thrills! More pixels! Life-size dolls that never say no or expect a man to grow up (and of course, they never grow old), and more and more distance from reality. When was the last time you saw a teenager mowing a lawn? Or maybe a better question would be — when was the last time you saw people in their front yards at all?
Terminal technology. It will be the death of us when the energy runs out.
Some thoughts on the turmoil in Hong Kong. I’m not saying this is true, I’m just thinking out loud.
What if there are elements in the Chinese government who think Hong Kong is setting the wrong example of how Chinese people can live – as in, too much freedom and independence. Hong Kong could inspire dissent throughout China. So how do you justify an Army crackdown?
Pay some criminal thugs to toss molotov cocktails, break windows, create rioting, destruction, and mayhem. That justifies a crackdown. It has begun. We will see how this plays out. But I wouldn’t be investing money in the Hang Seng right now.
Yeah, apparently a division of the PLA is massed at the border, ready to move in and crush all opposition. It could be bloody.
Brh
What you’re speculating here has become pretty much standard procedure now the world over, so I’m prone to think that you’re probably right.
>>> Hong Kong could inspire dissent throughout China.
Not likely. More likely is that mainland Chinese think HK is spoiled and needs to be reined in. I don’t think they’ll send in the tanks. But they’ll go after leaders/organizers with a vengeance.
It’s hard for the West to understand, but China values order much more than we do.
“The nail that sticks up, will get hammered down.”
At least so the fortune cookie claimed.
Cloudflare has had enough, cutting off 8chan
Cloudflare CEO says site may return, but it’ll be someone else’s problem.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/cloudflare-has-had-enough-cutting-off-8chan/
“In the wake of Saturday’s mass shooting in El Paso, in which 20 people lost their lives, it was discovered that the shooter had posted a racist manifesto on the imageboard site 8chan. That was the third time this year alone that a mass shooting has involved the notorious site, and network operator Cloudflare decided that was finally enough. As of midnight on the US West Coast, Cloudflare will cut off 8chan.
“This isn’t the first time that the popular service provider has severed its ties to one of its customers over offensive content. In 2017, the company dropped the white supremacist website the Daily Stormer. The Daily Stormer was able to get back online after a brief outage by switching to another service.
“Matthew Prince, the company’s co-founder and CEO, has always spoken with apprehension about whether to stop providing network services to specific websites. He called his own company’s decision regarding the Daily Stormer ‘arbitrary’ and ‘dangerous,’ and intended that this would be the last action of the sort Cloudflare would take. Earlier on Sunday, CNN reported that the company had no intention of acting against 8chan.
“Cloudflare is not a website hosting provider. The company operates a global network that improves performance of websites and protects them from DDoS attacks and other security threats.
“But the El Paso mass shooting comes in the wake of two similar manifestos posted to 8chan prior to similar events in California and New Zealand, all apparently prompted by racism. Prince cited both of those events in announcing that he’s changed his mind. ‘The rationale is simple,’ he wrote. ‘They have proven themselves to be lawless, and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths.’ He went on to state that the company’s guiding principle on this issue will be to disassociate itself from websites that ‘directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design.'”
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Update: 8chan did indeed go to a new content delivery/denial-of-service protection provider. However, they have been booted off that one as well. As of now, 8chan and Daily Stormer are both offline.
The chuds can save the effort of hollering that ‘tolerant liberals are being intolerant’. Tolerance has a prerequisite, which is lawfulness. Both these sites are channels for affirmative hatred and incitement of violence, and 8chan in particular has been a vehicle for people like the Christchurch shooter, and now the El Paso murderer, to promote themselves to each other and the world. This kind of propaganda of the deed fails the Brandenburg test and can be rightfully shut down. Enough is enough.
Oh Elrond, if you were an evil globalist who wanted to justify an Orwellian state, how would go about it. Problem, reaction, solution.
“We must eliminate free speech to eliminate hate; then there won’t be any more crazy mass shooters.” They know just how to play you and the rest of the unawoken.
If you only knew where most of those shooters really come from….
hmuller – are you claiming to we ‘WOKE’?
*be*
Lately some people have appropriated the term “woke” when they are anything but.
I use the term for those who don’t automatically believe everything the MSM and Powers That Be shove down our throats. There’s a whole lot of bullshit out there. I say don’t swallow it, question everything.
>>> This kind of propaganda of the deed fails the Brandenburg test
Link to where Trump failed this test. Show us the direct quotes.
https://giphy.com/gifs/100-G77aaxTSkN9ni
Exscotticus, you are a perplexing one. Re-reading my post, one searches in vain for Donald Trump’s name or any reference to his administration. I was expressing support for an action taken by Cloudflare, the Internet service provider, not by the White House.
Let’s see if I can figure out where you’re coming from. The Brandenburg test which I linked to was established by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1969. It establishes when it is justifiable to override First Amendment protections of free speech. The standard is (quoting Wikipedia): speech is not protected by the First Amendment if the speaker intends to incite a violation of the law that is both imminent and likely. (My emphasis.)
I noticed that you wagged your finger at GreenAlba about imminent lawless action up above (again my emphasis.) According to the time stamps, your finger-wagging took place fifteen minutes before I pressed Submit. So you were already aware of Brandenburg before I posted, maybe just not by name.
Then over an hour later, you jump down my throat. It’s clear you didn’t understand what I was saying, because you made it about Trump, seemingly irrelevantly. But I’m thinking this is a strong indicator that you do sense a connection between Trump and this string of white supremacist terror attacks. Otherwise, why bring him up?
So here’s my theory: you actually understand and agree that Donald Trump encourages white supremacist violence, because they’re a crucial part of his political base. But you’re inhibited from being honest about it, possibly to yourself and definitely to others, because open racism is still (thankfully) beyond the pale. So you deal with it in coded, underhand ways instead, such as by trying to throw sand in people’s eyes like this current example.
Marianne Williamson is not going to be president, but when she speaks of Donald Trump taking advantage of a ‘dark psychic force of collectivized hatred’, she is 100% correct. That dark force is what’s at work, Exscotticus, when you fail to deal with what’s actually there and try to twist my words into an accusation of someone you know to be guilty anyway.
Elrond, the Left is all over the Internet blaming Trump for the shootings. And so my point blank question to you as you dance around the issue cuts right to the chase: Do you think Trump is legally responsible and, if so, show us the evidence? No one cares about “Cloudflare” or “8chan”.
I notice that you provided no quotes that would satisfy the demands of the very legal test you brought up. I, too, could bring up scores of examples of Lefty leaders emphatically telling supporters to do “ANYTHING IT TAKES!” to accomplish their goals—after which violence ensues. But we both know that wouldn’t pass the test.
Exscotticus, since you insist on the framing, I will respond with equanimity: no, Donald Trump is not legally responsible for the mass shootings this past weekend. Will you now return the favour, and address the following question: are the mass shootings part of a pattern that Donald Trump stokes for his own political gain? Because I say they are.
>>> are the mass shootings part of a pattern that Donald Trump stokes for his own political gain? Because I say they are
No they’re not. And don’t take my word for it; the alleged shooter said as much in his alleged manifesto…
“My ideology has not changed for several years. My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president. I putting this here because some people will blame the President or certain presidential candidates for the attack. This is not the case. I know that the media will probably call me a white supremacist anyway and blame Trump’s rhetoric.”
And, indeed, MANY such massacres happened on Obama’s watch when Trump wasn’t even on the scene. Should we apply your post hoc logic and conclude that it was all part of Obama’s pattern of governance? Political gain? Note JohnAZ’s post regarding Dems using this tragedy to fund-raise. It’s all over the conservative news.
You want some olive-branching love? Trump has serious character flaws. No doubt! But attributing mass murder to Trump in any way would seem to be a character flaw of your own.
Stokes?
You have to be kidding or pushing an agenda!
benr, my agenda is clear and palpable, and I make no bones about it.
Exscotticus: “MANY such massacres happened on Obama’s watch when Trump wasn’t even on the scene.”
You’re being purposefully dense. There’s no dispute that nuts in the USA (a) are plentifully supplied with guns and (b) have been committing massacres with them for one reason or another, or for no reason at all, for decades.
The accusation, one which I maintain, is that Trump sees the underlying tensions as an opportunity, not a threat, and that he capitalizes on them.
>>> The accusation, one which I maintain, is that Trump sees the underlying tensions as an opportunity, not a threat, and that he capitalizes on them.
Dude did you miss the posts about Dems fundraising on the El Paso tragedy? Who’s dense now?
The right move would be to severely curb it, ban the iphone, enforce nationwide tech-free days
Ban Hillary Clinton!!!
Not too worry.
Ford has come out with a new 760 bhp Shelby Mustang.
0-60 in about 2 seconds flat.
Guaranteed to burn rubber like its 1967
Base price: $75,000.
Brh
Shots fired call ends up being rap music video shoot with unloaded pellet gun
James, you are in fine form today. Yes, when society abandons people, people abandon society. It is that simple.
People who see their life has been destroyed choose to take some of the bastards with them. No surprise. Sadly it is the tiny bastards no the giant bastards who are killed.
A stunning resemblance, combat robots of the assassin sect:
https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67591084_10219836564409765_2177203799486103552_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQk2CIJix4PGz6d3lLfYrMSvgnVtqhP6gYeGcKyZchGwn2i6M_8rBn8fyokJXo_AxK8&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=318c53b381a3832b057bbc3a4d903bbc&oe=5DD2C980
Or, poor guys had nothing to do with it, and Special Forces worked the spot from the get go.
Hillary is just mocking the US
She climbed onto the stage and dances some nasty cancan with some would-be mass shooters with a poster in her hands:
“Anyway, you will all vote for me!!!”
She seem to be doing more and more nasty tricks on purpose to show the Americans that one old Witch could wipe herself up with the Constitution, the Presidency, US History, Democracy, the US economy – everything that the US citizens had recently been proud of.
Anti-Americanists can celebrate – I personally can not imagine more humiliation of the United States.
Look at this picture – are you all complete morons?
https://i.imgur.com/hTgJM2x.png
Holy sh#t Finca they all go to the same optomitrist!
… and all fell out of the same pussy
For someone who supposedly loves Jesus you sure are a liar. Who’s the father of lies?
That picture of the Dayton shooter is bullshit. Here is the actual guy:
https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts/
You got me!
https://eurweb.com/2019/08/04/connor-betts-ided-as-dayton-massacre-shooter-el-paso-shooter-labeled-domestic-terrorist/
Holy crap that guy looks like a lunatic and that is the new normal as espoused by our Democrat elites right down to him in a dress playing death metal.
Yea no problems there.
I am pretty sure that all high-ranking American journalists are in on it.
Stinking bitches!
@JHK
” it is probably necessary to make some kind of statement”
Why? To what end? For what purpose?
Industrial human society ruled by a relative few extremely privileged individuals is such an obscene aberration of the natural universe that the application of more obscenity does nothing more than temporarily satisfy the irrational lust for more obscenity – how stupid, it seems to me.
The fix – for everything – is simple but obviously not easy. Everybody simply needs to walk away and let it die.
This ain’t rocket science, folks. This is THE paradigm shift that needs to occur and will occur when the global ruling elite are ready for it.
Imagine this. Before the ruling elite are ready for it, the whole of industrial human society gets shut down because the entirety of the masses spontaneously cease to participate. That would just shickle the tit outa mi.
If I’m wrong on this one, I’ll eat McAfee’s hat.
~toktomi~
PS save your breath, y’all. i’m not interested and i will probably never see it
Once this elite is crushed, a new elite will rise up
This one more more vicious, dogmatic and brutal than the one it replaced
Like in 1918 in Russia, when the Bolsheviks murdered the czar and his family, and moved into the Kremlin. Then there was hell to pay.
Brh
Do you, guys, have an “Easy World History in Pictures” for rednecks or something?
First of all, there were 2 revolutions in Russia in 1917 – February – the so called liberal-borjuis revolution, which actually dislodged Tsar Nicholas from the Russian throne, and October Socialist revolution by the Bolsheviks, which, by the way, was fully supported by the General Stuff and Military Intelligence of the Russian Empire.
If not for the October Revolution which put a beginning to the Red Empire – USSR – the Russia would have seized to exist by the end of 1920s.
Who exactly gave an order to murder the Tsar’s family in 1918 still remains a mystery.
Finca, I was initially pleased you stepped in to clarify Back Row’s blatant nonsense but you did not do any better.
Lenin had a brother who was killed by the Czars Father years before the revolution. Lenin was in charge when the order was given. If you can’t figure out what happened from that then you don’t know night follows day. But even that is no excuse. Trotsky wrote that Lenin gave the order.
Finca, you do know who Trotsky was don’t you?
The February Revolution in the capital took place when members of the Duma assumed control of the country, forming a Provisional Government. The October revolution of the Bolsheviks took the Duma down. BOLSHEVIKS were NOT socialists. The first revolution had the support of the military as WWI had put Russia in chaos. In the second Trotsky became the new military. and fought a civil war.
You claim to be Russian Finca. I have my doubts.
JHK’s essay today is a Tour De Force…
I agree completely.
Do you remember George Carlin’s comedy routine in which he describes his glee at seeing the havoc wreaked by tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, fires, etc.?
We’ve created a mental and spiritual cul de sac, and the only way out is either to flee or to shoot your way out of all of the anomie.
Every year around Christmas time, I imagine myself shape-shifting into a Japanese pilot flying a Mitsubishi Zero circling a Walmart with the parking lot filled with fat holiday shoppers stuffing their TV watching faces with junk food. I then swoop down to strafe the barbarian Horde who then scream in terror as their SUV’s explode in flames.
After I read the Shooter’s Manifesto, I just scratched my head and thought: “Well, at least he did something, and he’s not wacking off to Internet porn in his mom’s basement.”
I’m surprised they don’t hit the Student Loan chop shop. I think that it’s called “Sallie Mae”?
America now is like Sartre’s play “No Exit”.
[Scene from the movie “Platoon”]
Sergeant Barnes: “You Potheads Smoke that shit to escape from Reality? Me, I am Reality. There’s the way it outta be, and there’s the way that it is.”
Lubbock, TX grandmother very recently foils her grandson’s plan to be a mass murderer. I guess she got in the way of the Special Forces hit team, right Finc?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/us/mass-shooting-averted/index.html
Kid lives in his grandmother’s basement watching porn? I think that the porn tends to mentally pacify blokes? The danger would lie in blokes getting off the Internet porn….
A lot of these Millennial blokes have grown up in single parent mother households. Many Millennials describe high school parties that their mothers attended and literally fucked their high school classmates. I guess that many of these Baby Boomer moms are locked in a permanent state of mental adolescence? If you were the father, it would not be possible to stay married to such a deranged woman.
I’m surprised that there aren’t more mass shootings.
Who is the Crazy White Witch who’s into New Age mysticism and who’s running as a Democratic candidate for POTUS? She was the debate “Winner”.
The whole society is deranged….
Bat Shit Crazy….
Hy Tyler and Him&Her must have known that Hindenburg and the Junkers in Prussia were of Slavic blood and that “Prussia” is a Slavic name? What Gives? Hy Tyler and Him&Her just didn’t want to face Reality as it didn’t fit their dogma? Weird….
Just in case anyone thinks that these two shootings were coordinated the nefarious them to make the right wing, white nationalism, and Trump look bad well think again. The Dayton shooter was an Elizabeth Warren supporting socialist. Oh and he seemed to love Satan too….
“On social media, the suspect’s biography started to emerge. On his Twitter page, reviewed by Heavy, he described himself as “he/him / anime fan / metalhead / leftist / i’m going to hell and i’m not coming back.” He wrote on Twitter that he would happily vote for Democrat Elizabeth Warren, praised Satan, was upset about the 2016 presidential election results, and added, “I want socialism, and i’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round to understanding.” The Greene County Board of Elections lists his party as “Dem.” You can read a roundup of his tweets – which also dealt with Parkland, Florida and 9/11 – here and later in this article. Here’s his tweet on Donald Trump’s election victory: This Is Bad.”
https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts/
The Dayton mass execution was obviously side effect of the first, taking the media by surprise.
It was not planned, obviously, something went broke in the killing machinery – wrong button was pushed on the Facebook page or the erroneous twit went viral.
Uh oh
Green Alba, KDog, this one’s for you,
It seems Russia is poised to install 2 nuclear reactors on a barge, and float it 4000 miles thru the arctic ocean; once on station they will be used to power up mining operations for oil, natgas and rare earth metals at the bottom of the Arctic Ocean.
For Krissake haven’t the Russians heard of windmills and solar panels?
The sweet irony here is that Russia’s neighbor, Sweden, has gone balls to the wall ‘carbon free’, closing down its nuclear, oil fired, coal fired and natgas plants. (Its all part of the ‘feminist energy policy’, an adjunct to Swedens ‘Feminist Foreign Policy’) haha, Swedish cities already hit with blackouts and brownouts, and still a few power plants not shut down yet. Sweden returning to the stone age, with a country full of violent and unassimilated Muslims, who are gonna be rather pissed when their apartments go unheated and unlit in the middle of a nordic winter. They came to Sweden to score free sh#t from Scandanavian suckers and ‘get down’ with Swedish beauties, not freeze their balls off in some godforsaken city where the sun doesn’t rise for 6 months at a time. At the very least cars will be set afire.
Brh
Brh
China has sunk an oil well 9000 meters deep.
Western elites were in Venice last week, flying in from all points on private aircraft and powering in on luxury yachts. The world’s luminaries were in attendance. Bill Gates was there. Leonardo DiCaprio. Tom Steyer. Nancy Pelosi.
Do you think they mulled over Russia’s 2 nuclear reactors steaming thru the Arctic Ocean, and Chinas 9000 meter oil well, while sipping their Grey Goose gin on ice?
Brh
Do you think they mulled over Russia’s 2 nuclear reactors steaming thru the Arctic Ocean
I bet you my bottom dollar they were mulling about Jeffrey Epstein and whom he has already pointed out to authorities.
Speaking at the GMIS-2019 production and industrialization summit in Yekaterinburg on July 9, Russian President Vladimir Putin compared the desire to abandon nuclear energy in favor of alternative energy sources with the desire to “put on skins or move into caves.”
It is unlikely that the that people would be comfortable living on a planet “laden with a picket fence of windmills and covered with several layers of solar panels.”
This one is for me why? Am I supposed to bite something?
No, not really KDog.
And I don’t mean to be provocative either.
Its a big world out there and whatever environmental problems there might be they all can’t be laid at the feet of the United States.
Brh
That’s funny BRH.
I believe GA herself pointed out this particular development some weeks ago, BRH.
All that shite about Sweden’s power system is simply fake news, BRH. Just tell the truth.
“Sweden’s introduction on Thursday of a tax aimed at phasing out the nation’s last remaining coal and gas plants to curb global warming comes with an unintended consequence for some of its biggest cities.
Hiking threefold a levy on fossil fuels used at local power plants will make such facilities unprofitable and utilities from Stockholm Exergi AB to EON SE have said they will halt or cut power production.
The move means that grids in the capital and Malmo won’t be able to hook up new facilities including homes, transport links and factories. While Sweden doesn’t have a shortage of power, there’s not enough cables to ship it to the biggest cities.
“We don’t have a problem with generating enough power in Sweden, we have a problem with getting it to where it’s needed,” Magnus Hall, chief executive officer of state-owned utility Vattenfall AB, said in an interview. “This law was added with short notice and I am not sure a proper analysis of it was made.”
The tax was introduced in January in a budget deal between the Center Party, Liberals, Social Democrats and the Greens after record long 18 weeks of negotiations. As only one of 73 points hashed out between the political factions to reach a compromise, time for thorough analysis was probably slim.
In Mexico, over 35,0000 people were murdered.
In 2018. 1 year.
Firearms are illegal there.
Most of the people doing the murdering are bad guys with guns.
As are most of the murdered. Bad guys with many, many guns.
Needless to say, they have their own issues of domestic terrorism in a failed state ostensibly managed by an aristocracy that tends to be a little less mestizo.
In the US, the bad guys with guns tend to murder the bad guys, if not with guns, with extensive rap sheets, contraband, etc.
In bad neighborhoods.
They don’t indiscriminately murder innocents.
In the US, we have the “good guys” with guns doing that.
They legally purchase weapons, after a background check,
before trotting off to a resort casino, a gay disco, a dystopian discount store, or a vaguely agricultural festival. To kill innocents. Or good people without guns.
I’m most worried about “good ole guys” with guns.
You should be.
However, Americans, beckoned by a madly thumb-texting celebrity or an attorney (AKA politician) demand immediate satisfaction.
A pseudo-salve of sorts. Something. Now.
And, per usual, they will avoid the root problem. Nobody has the courage for that. They demand the appearance of change, because here, it is nothing more than the appearance of civilization, harmony, order, community, unity.
The root problem is the toxicity in a failed experiment. Unity in the pursuit of capital over society, over social unity, over shared norms and expectations. Banning guns will subdue a symptom, but the disease will go unaddressed. Moldering underneath is a society built upon unexceptional people, acutely aware of this fact, working mindless jobs to pay for college loans and electric car loans and mortgage on a beige vinyl-sided townhome off a traffic clogged highway loan.. AKA the American Dream. Debt for the middle-class badges of success: a degree, a new vehicle, a mortgage.
Civic interaction taking place with a wave of the Costco card, or a wave to the motorist trying to ease their way into the traffic.
Nobody wants to treat the hate. The toxicity of American life. They don’t know where to begin, because they don’t know it is there. This is all they know.
American exceptionalism. Exceptionally deceived. Exceptionally denied a meaningful life on this planet. A dignified existence that doesn’t end in weekly trips for bloodwork before ending up in flardah or a group home that smells of sepsis and bleach.
The subconscious knows, and banning guns is no cure for a rogue and traumatized psyche.
Here is the rub, though.
What is the alternative for a living pattern? If you or anyone could go back in time and change something, what would you change about today’s societal goals?
I for one would stop the development of the PC and wireless communication as I believe both have de-humanized all of us.
I for one would stop the development of the PC and wireless communication – JAZ
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I wouldn’t go quite that far John, but what I WOULD do is summarily execute anyone who fails to react to a green light because they are staring down at the fucking cell phone in their lap.
Keep out minorities. No Black slavery. Homogenous societies are the most peaceful. Then bolster our Western boundaries against the Rising Tide of Color worldwide. Crush the Communism that funded and trained them. Then head for the stars.
Seeing as how we’re likely to have more mass shootings, perhaps we need to think about more productive targets rather than fat Mexicans buying bullshit at WalMart? I suggest the following alternative targets:
A. Sallie Mae – the assholes who securitize all of the student loan debt and sell it for a profit;
B. The assholes in Hollywood making the Internet porn;
C. Mothers who fuck their kids classmates at high school parties;
D. Walmart is ok, but only after hours when no one is around except for the random homeless person looking for a partially eaten cheese burger.
Anything else?
I like JK…like his writing. I agree with much of his takes, and find most of his perspectives offer a bit of a twist. I don’t think he’s right about the gun bans here…and notice he has no twist or new way of considering it either. He’s left stating it abandoned from the usual trope. I think he just has that reflexive leftist “angle” too entrenched yet to still consider it in totality.
It may happen…but it too would be a sign of our giving up, acquiescing that “nothing matters anymore” and would speed the decline of our culture rather than delay it. There’s some ironic nihilism for ya Jim.
I didn’t say “ban guns.” I said military type weapons. — JHK Admin
Own guns you should be in a militia. Then there would be groups to manage those that need it.
Modern Liberalism redefines “Freedom” to mean Hedonism and then people go on shooting rampages in the face of barbarism and ubiquitous anomie.
“Hi, I’m Greg Hunter for USA Watchdog dot com. Today’s guest needs no introduction. He’s an insider and former advisor to The Fed, arrested on multiple counts of securities fraud, a convicted wife beater, and former high level advisor to the Kremlin who believes that Aliens from outer space are advising Trump to thwart the Mueller probe. I’m talking about none other than Alexie Obcornakov.”
Hollywood doesn’t like this one. Did they think they were immune?
https://www.amren.com/news/2019/08/outrage-as-university-strips-name-of-lillian-gish-from-campus-theater/
A small example, but one of many. It’s not going to stop but only accelerate. And they wonder where White rage comes from. Remember what the kid said: I don’t have a future. He’s right – he probably doesn’t. Not in America – not anywhere in the Anglo-Sphere or Western Europe.
A sign of the end times. We are on the same page again.
WTF!
“However, the college had already made the point that while Gish was perhaps not a racist she still had to pay a price for her association with the film.”
Words can’t describe how screwed up this is. It is so screwed up my paws even want to get involved. If it can’t be shown she was a racist her legacy should have no price to pay.
Future is what you make it to be.
“And they wonder where White rage comes from. Remember what the kid said: I don’t have a future.”
Remember the saga of ‘Sky King’? Maybe that’s who you’re talking about. Happened about a year ago in Seattle area. The one-year anniversary of the episode passed almost without remark just a week ago. Most of these events aren’t memory-holed, they’re just actively forgotten.
The erstwhile baggage-handler turned plane hi-jacker said after doing an impressive barrel-roll & before augering in, “Nope, no more jobs for me, I’m White.”
Well, the shooter’s manifesto. But yeah, the Sky King is more impressive example. A well liked and competent guy, apparently. Was he right about affirmative action for pilots? That bodes ill indeed.
Both self described Insel kooks one worshipped Satan and Socialism!
No, the Sky King was married. Watch the video – he was very likable.
Too bad he didn’t try and land the thing at Lewis-McChord. If he could have pulled it off he’d have a real chance of being free in a few years. Landing millions in working aluminum would have been worth a thank you.
He gave up too easy.
Maybe that’s who you’re talking about. It was clear who I was talking about.
If you follow the arrows, you’ll see I was responding to Janos, not to you. It’s not complicated.
Kdog: Yeah, I thought so too. He’d have to face an incredible shit storm from his wife and family, but obviously his life wasn’t working or he wouldn’t have done this. He was quietly desperate and very unhappy. But of course, then he’d have a record and there are no real second chances after something like that. Not at the level of life he was obviously interested in.
Well, ladies and germs;
Just a few minutes ago, Tucker Carlson, on Fox News, quoted our Host, Wm. Kunstler, by name, intimating that he is among America’s great thinkers, and showing a segment of today’s post that explains, in part, issues in the corruption of our culture. A portion of today’s post was presented on the screen.
Congratulations Mr. Kunstler.
…And it was the lead story…above the fold….
Awesome!
Wow congrats Mr. K! I’m going to have to look this up on YouTube!
We will become famous too. A rising tide lifts all boats.
ha ha ha
uhhh, I don’t know I’d go that far lol
yeah I thought that was cool, and greatly needed
I’m not Wm. Kunstler. —JHK Admin
Well, I obviously was in error…late at night (for me) and all that.
…You do look like a William, however….
“The unintended consequences of demonizing the white population—all except those guilt-ridden white liberals living on multi-million dollar trust funds who join in the demonization of white people—are many and far reaching. For example, why would any white male with a brain join the military of a country that has abandoned his interest and is operating against him? Why would he join a military of a country that the Democratic Party prevents from defending its own borders? Why would he join a military and be sent to kill Arabs in the Middle East and blacks in North Africa when he is taught to feel guilt for his racial hatred of “racial minorities?”
Doesn’t a country collapse when its core population is demonized and dispossessed?”
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2019/08/05/mass-shootings-and-responses-to-them-have-unintended-consequences/
Is it really a mystery?
Just watch TV.
Most of the shows feature gun violence.
The Wild West, shoot em up. Kill em all.
I believe that we are actually lucky it does not happen more often.
Perhaps the root of it all is in the training of our children.
Women are trained to manipulate men.
Men are trained to kill, or just work themselves to death.
But you ignored the most important point of the discussion. Its not just anyone. This is all specifically being done to the White population. You can train your child to do anything sure. But when society will work to make sure that child does not have opportunities what does the training mean?
“Men are trained to kill, or just work themselves to death.”
Zone,
Yes, men are the drones, the female the queen bee.
“For example, why would any white male with a brain join the military of a country that has abandoned his interest and is operating against him? ”
“I don’t know. Beats me….”
Dude, everybody knows the best soldiers and Marines are transvestites and black single moms from Chicago ghettos. Don’t you watch MSNBC? White men are no longer needed in the US armed forces, except for a few much lauded gay air force generals and Navy admirals.
Its the New Model military, designed not to win wars, but to foster inclusion and welcoming.
Brh
Do you agree that only “proper” English “Gentlemen” should be allowed to serve in the Officer Corps? What about “Paki’s”?
“Britain was changing, however, and slowly the army, heels dug in, was being pulled along. At the start of the 1870s the government had ended the time-honored system by which officers bought their commissions and promotions, often paying fortunes to rise to the senior ranks. Even after this reform, however, only gentlemen were regarded as suitable candidates for the officer corps. The term gentleman applied only to individuals with the right family antecedents, and not even gentlemen found it possible to survive as junior officers without private sources of income. Late in the nineteenth century, when an outstanding young sergeant named William Robertson was offered the rare opportunity to accept a commission, he was unable to do so because his expenses as a junior lieutenant (everything from uniforms to mess fees to a share in supporting the regimental band) would have been at least four times his salary of £ 100. When they did somehow manage to become officers, “rankers” were commonly shunned and even viciously hazed by gentlemen unwilling to accept them.“
G. J. Meyer
A World Undone: The Story of the Great War, 1914 to 1918
How would the Politically Correct media react if rather than stereotypically shooting up a Walmart with an assault rifle, the white bloke puts on war paint, hacks the victims with a Tomahawk, and then scalps them on TV?
Finca, you do know who Trotsky was don’t you? KDog
Trotsky was the man who wanted to throw Russia into a furnace of “permanent revolution” just like Hillary Clinton wants to throw US into a furnace of permanent war (or World War III) because for Trotsky Russian people were an expendable material, just like American people are expendable material for Hillary.
Thanks to Trotsky, Moscow by the mid 1930s became the capital of the world anti-Christianity.
Trotsky was also an agent of American “The Inquiry Commission”, which later became known as the Council on Foreign Relations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inquiry
We all know what happened between Stalin and Trotsky.
By the way, the most of US Democratic Party candidates for the US Presidency are essentially NOT socialists, but Trotskyists.
Did you think I would not see this. Guess I’ll chase the bone again.
Trotsky, before 1930 had been exiled. Ideologically permanent revolution always pertained to the rest of the world; a stance which Stalin opposed for obvious pragmatic reasons and because Stalin was a tyrant. Smoke em if you got em Finca.
The Sandpit Generals – Art and Life
This movie was the first that I watched with a girl.
I myself got tickets to the festival, hoping to kiss her while watching, but the film shocked me so much that I forgot about these plans.
Now I understand that this movie shocked me and not only me because we somehow understood that it was a film about our future, that we look at how we and our children will live in the 90s. Moreover, as I just remembered, it was then that changes took place in Soviet society that made the 90s inevitable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjNjoZ_bYjo
Happy Hiroshima Day!
A new study has devastatingly confirmed what many of us had suspected all along:
that gun violence is caused by our political opponents.
An exhaustive new study from the CDC reveals that the leading cause of gun violence in America is your political opponents. Researchers looked at a number of potential causes of gun violence such as mental health, family situation, cultural shifts, gun laws, rap music, videogames, sugar consumption, and the actual gunman, but by and large, the most prominent cause of gun violence was what most already suspected. The fault lies with those who you disagree with politically.
The accompany bar chart shows that approximately 80% of gun violence is caused by your political opponents.
https://babylonbee.com/news/study-shows-leading-cause-of-gun-violence-is-your-political-opponent
2019 mass shooter photos from WND. Definitely very Male but not necessarily White. Two girls too! One White and one Black.
Oopsie! Here is the link
https://www.wnd.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/mass-shooters-2019.jpg
And now I see three Black women not just one!
“Blacks……too many blacks. All the names were verified on Google by the way
Thanks for the line-up. Conclusive evidence demonstrating my point. Do you think many of those perps were Trump supporters? Don’t make me laugh!
Since most of these individuals can be adjudged as Trump’s political opponents, it proves that Trump is the cause of most of the mass shootings.
I know right! I was trying to figure out which ones could actually be considered conservative White Nationalists lol! Very interesting psychology of projection going on here. And it makes sense with how debased our society has become that people are actually willing to blame someone they don’t like for making them take actions with their own minds and bodies. A complete abdication of responsibility!
SSL
Remember part of Carters demise was the 55 mph speed limit to save energy.
Steyer/Schultz 2020
“KEEP THE FREAK FLAG FLYING”
brh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPsqnQXLuu4
The Prosecutor General’s Office of the Russian Federation revealed cases of intentional arson of forests in Siberia
https://ria.ru/20190806/1557214993.html
MOSCOW, Aug 6 – RIA News. The Prosecutor General’s Office revealed facts of intentional arson of forests in the Irkutsk region, said the official representative of the department, Alexander Kurennoy.
The day before, Roman Fedosov, the prosecutor of the main department for the enforcement of environmental laws, told RIA Novosti that the regional authorities had distorted statistics on forest fires.
Inaccurate information related to fires, distances to settlements and data on the time of elimination of fires. According to Fedosov, because of this, the federal authorities and relevant departments did not have time to adequately respond to the situation.
I’m going to end off by reposting something I said yesterday early on the prior JHK post to this one. I doubt many got to read it and I think it ended up being quite correct. Now SSL chided me for painting with a wide brush, but I did use the word “some”. But I should’ve been more clear as to what I mean by some. I mean a handful of regular posters who probably don’t number higher than 4 or 5.
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From yesterday….
“I understand that the El Paso mass murderer could have been right at home here with some on CFN. Yep, add 30 to 50 years to his age and he would be one of the boys here. Deep down when these old cranks here read his manifesto they’ll feel an enlargement in their groin area. Then silently say, “Well said young man….well said”. And perhaps wish that the body count would’ve been higher.
(The body count of “fat Mexicans coming out of the butthole of Walmart” as Pucker says).”
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It turns out that SSL is actually one of the ones who does sympathize
with the murderer’s manifesto. She admitted as such way up above on this thread. But I do not think she wishes the body count was higher. That honor is reserved for the slimiest of you. And you know who you are. Again, not more than 4 or 5.
A lot more of you have been flippant about the murders and are more concerned about potential regulation of the AR15s and AK47s.
It’s been real…..sometimes fun……but never real fun.
Yes, I reject his actions but I do sympathize with him. If we cared about him as much as we care about foreigners who have no right to this country then he may have been a healthier young man. Now his life is wasted and he has wasted many other lives. But our society has no desire to get to the root of the problem. Because that would mean that White men would need to be paid attention to and treated as human beings. That would mean that our borders would be enforced and our government would be disassociated from the Chamber of Commerce and corporate tyrants. That will never happen in a society that is only ratcheting up the racist and genocidal rhetoric against Whites on a minute by minute basis.
One shooter is Rightist, the other Leftist. Both very pissed off at the world. So which side is at fault? Obvious,
It is Trump’s fault.
I hate to tell you Left apologists, Trump does not care what you think. Thank goodness.
What a group of idiots.
Since I’ve been accused here of being a ‘white supremacist,’ & since these types of tragedies can be spun twelve ways from Sunday from both sides of the political spectrum, now I’m wondering, just who are you referring to? I doubt that anybody here wishes the body count had been higher so you need to either put up or shut up when you make that accusation.
Hey Tate. Remember Sticks and Stones? The Left doesn’t.
When they have cried wolf enough with racism, it will just fade away.
Gold,
Perhaps some agree with the overall message of the manifesto, but not the methods?
Haven’t read it myself.
A lot of fat Walmart Shoppers….
“A new poll out of the UK reveals that a staggering 89 per cent of young people aged 18-29 feel their lives are meaningless and without purpose.
30 per cent of youngsters complain about being “stuck in a rut,” while 84 per cent say they are failing to “live their best life.”
One of the primary reasons cited for failing to achieve happiness and purpose is a lack of finances, according to 45 per cent of respondents.
The survey, conducted by Yakult UK, found that 80 per cent of people across all age ranges felt they were living without purpose, but that number drops to 55 per cent for people over the age of 60.
More than a third of Brits would completely start their lives over given the chance.
While by no means the only reason, many have argued that the emergence of mass shootings in the west by young men can partly be attributed to the nihilistic malaise that many teenagers grow up experiencing.”
Open discrimination against White people in official government policy, as well as in all forms of media and academia which routinely promote White disenfranchisement, dispossession, replacement by non-Whites and ultimately genocide are the problem and will only bring on more conflict. The actions of those who hate Whites reveal the truth about where we are and where we need to be. White separatism and the need for White homelands has never been more clear. And I feel it now every day. We are getting stronger. And in this I laugh and scoff at the oppression dispensed by the wicked. You help us more than you know. We shouldn’t give any of our energy to this dying fake society any longer. Time to build a new future by and for Whites.
How much more you could throw kerosine on that fire?!
The Truth hurts doesn’t it.
SSL
This is a “White” culture. It is also an outlaw culture. One consequence of being a Mecca for world migration is that we get the folks that other countries do not want. The original settlers here were European religious outcasts and prisoners. We really have not changed much either.
An important point is that this country is still predominately “White” in nature. A few pockets of Liberal minority control exist that are causing all the ruckus. Think about it, if a miracle happened and the West Coast, New York, New Jersey and Colorado disappeared, most of the discord would be gone.
If “White” becomes a rallying call, think 2016 and 2020 elections, either a lot of the discord will go away, or a civil war may erupt. Either way this nation divided will have to deal with the problems of multi-culturalism.
And remember that the people who are disenfranchising “Whites” are other Whites. Remember what happened to the French collaborators after the Nazis were driven out of France after WW2. These Ult-Leftist “Whites” will pay the price.
The number one candidates are 22 of 24 POTUS candidates.
Hillary is going for the Kill
It appears that Hillary has abandoned her plans of replacing President Trump through 2020 elections and now is going for overthrow of the US President using her assets in Intelligence and Law Enforcement: Her mass media shills are demanding the changes to Patriot Act so that the intelligence tools so far applied only to foreign terrorists – Al Qaeda and ISIS will be applicable to “domestic terrorists” – she’s going for Trump’s base and probably, for the sites like this one.
Obviously, this time just abandonment of the Second Amendment to US Constitution is not enough for her.
Good luck with that. Talk about a conflagration!!!!!!
would need to create a new govt department for that
Call it the Stasi/NKVD/SD
Short for Bureau of Internal Security
They could train their cadre at the ‘White Studies’ dept at Columbia University.
Brh
That is why the investigation of the IG and the guy from Connecticut is critical. If the DOJ continues to excuse the malfeasance in the intelligence community, think Comey, your prediction may be right on. It would definitely show the Left and not Trump , is really in charge.
One question, Finca, do you think HRC is really running all the global insurrection or is it a global group with all the Soros cast of characters and Hillary is just a loyal soldier.
One way or the other, the goal is removal of the US as a competitor to the global network. And Russia is next.
The biggest dupes are those that think that this is a big global coincidence. That is how these folks operate.
Finca, do you think HRC is really running all the global insurrection
No, Trump and Putin are running the global insurrection against the Iron Heel of the Black Project with Hillary at the helm.
Hesitant to comment on this one.
However, I do think the mayhem is still in the warm-up phases.
The crazies are the canaries in the coalmine.
Once this collapse starts to get rolling the serious people will begin to participate for a variety of reasons- control, power, revenge, etc.
The time gets closer and closer but we are not there yet. God help us all when it arrives because we have built up much stress…the release will be epic.
When the stress releases, it will be the San Andreas’ fault.
For the TDS Left, even San Andreas fault would be Trump’s fault.
I refuse to listen to a political party about gun control, when they think abortions are a form of health care
Biden is toast:https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/confusion-biden-offers-sympathy-for-the-tragic-events-in-houston-today-and-also-in-michigan?fbclid=IwAR3bVFkKdwSh-vmfF0cO84nBJmeCf5uZHYKPKIIkxatTnd9DhX8GokrQcVQ
You would think so. But Biden—like Trump—appears to be gaffe-proof. You’d be amazed at how many voters have never even heard of Biden’s creepy child-fondling and hair-smelling.
I refuse to acknowledge their crocodile tears over the shootings as they use them to raise funds. The Left does not care a whit about people.
Janos What was the Black female writer who died, the one who read at Clintons inauguration?
When she died, RateMyProfessor removed the bad reviews people had posted. [oh, its in this, Maya]
meanwhile
Winner of the 1988 Pulitzer Prize for “Beloved,” she was one of the book world’s most regal presences, with her expanse of graying dreadlocks; her dark, discerning eyes; and warm, theatrical voice, able to lower itself to a mysterious growl or rise to a humorous falsetto. “That handsome and perceptive lady,” James Baldwin called her.
Her admirers were countless — from fellow authors, college students and working people to Obama and fellow former President Bill Clinton; to Oprah Winfrey, who idolized Morrison and helped greatly expand her readership. Morrison shared those high opinions, repeatedly labeling one of her novels, “Love,” as “perfect” and rejecting the idea that artistic achievement called for quiet acceptance.
“Maya Angelou helped me without her knowing it,” Morrison told The Associated Press during a 1998 interview. “When she was writing her first book, ‘I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings,’ I was an editor at Random House. She was having such a good time, and she never said, ‘Who me? My little book?’
“I decided that … winning the (Nobel) prize was fabulous,” Morrison added. “Nobody was going to take that and make it into something else. I felt representational. I felt American. I felt Ohioan. I felt blacker than ever. I felt more woman than ever. I felt all of that, and put all of that together and went out and had a good time.”
Mass murder in the US is nothing new. Remember the University of Texas Tower shooter? He killed his mother and wife and then shot dead another 14. That was in 1966. They go back further than that. You can look it up on-line. But it seems that it’s ramping up as time passes.
Given the degraded state of the various “ologies” that purport to “study” such events, I figure that JHK’s take on them, and yours and mine for that matter, are as clear as anybody’s.
So what we got here anyhow? An abundance of loose cranial screws, and an equal profusion of guns, plus problems and gripes both real and imagined, and political agendas.
And this is interesting by itself, an article on zerohedge sez that a large proportion of millennials have no friends and no acquaintances.
BUT. And it’s a big “but”. But the study was done by a university so the question is whether it’s worth a damn given that social science faculties are such well-known incubators for ideology but maybe not so much for dispassionate investigation. OK, so does the survey result square with your own observation?
We keep hearing about the atomization of American society, maybe sped along by the ubiquity of social media, first by way of cell-phone, then email and then rudimentary chat-rooms and then the full-bore facebookization of human relations. Everybody by their lonesome on a smartphone even when they’re entwined with some lovely on a park-bench.
What does an on-line setting give you? It can give you a forum for debate. It can also give you an echo-chamber where loons gather to reinforce each others lunacies.
Given that humans are by nature such famously social creatures, it’s hard to fathom how such people exist day-to-day except maybe as two dimensional on-line caricatures of themselves, conversing without the multiple sensory and cognitive inputs that a real-time physical setting with real people would provide. You know, like face-to-face in a coffee shop or restaurant or bar. What does such social-sensory deprivation do to someone’s brain? Maybe a sizable contingent goes nuts. Maybe we’re seeing the results in real-time.
He left a note. He had a brain tumor that caused his killing spree.
It’s common to bash the political Left and its anything-goes nihilism but I don’t see anything better coming from the Right. Theirs is a lot of pretend piety and patriotism all used as a cover for the real agenda of taking care of their rich paymasters.
How many young guys are unmarriageable because there’s no reliable bread-winner work that would allow for the support of a child-bearing wife and her offspring? But this is the direct result of the agenda of the Right, the mass demolition of a way of life and means of making a living. I think it was a past CEO of GE that said American workers make too much money. Maybe he can pray tell us all just where the fuck the market for GE products comes from if not decently compensated consumers? The gig economy? Blow me.
And so you have a multitude of young guys with no outlet for their prodigious energies, neither a steady job nor a discernible career nor a nubile young chick to return to after a hard day at work.
IMO what you see has got a common thread, whether it’s the regular as the rising sun shoot-em-ups, or the pro-Brexit vote, or the French gilets jaunes rock throwers or the even more violent version in Hong Kong. Life for the common man is getting shittier and shittier and the response of the ruling class is to deplore, to down-play the damage they’ve done to people, or to distract from real material needs by talking about irrelevancies.
Maybe university faculties could take a break from climbing the Everests of unreality and come back down to earth and have a gander at this. Or, on second thought, better not as anything that comes out of those quacks does more harm than good.
“Maybe university faculties could take a break from climbing the Everests of unreality”
Volodya,
Why stop at the University level? Our cultural issues come from youth who, at a very young age, are not taught responsibility, community(patriotism), nor sacrifice. A potential solution is staring us in the face.
The solution was had in Germany in the mid ’30’s. Yes, I know, there were…excesses.
But…just like Communism, maybe it wasn’t done correctly, and this time….
That used to be the job of the parents, schools, church and the Scouts. No longer on all four counts.
Parents either do not care, are too stupid, or too busy.
Schools are a Progressive programming machine.
Church has kowtowed to the prevailing winds.
Scouts are too worried about Gay rights.
EF, Roosevelt issued the warning in the 1930s to his rich friends, give up some wealth and privilege to make life bearable for others or risk losing it all. The political alternatives were staring people in the face back then too, Hitler and his views and the Bolsheviks and theirs.
So you have a point, which is one that Democrats refused to contemplate and also Republicans, that there is a great deal of distress in the country and, like in Germany of the 1920s and 1930s, the man with the plan and the helping hand is the one that wins the vote.
Hillary lost because she was the opposite, with no plan and no helping hand. Rather, she stood for upper-class interests and not only that but she disparaged a huge swathe of the electorate. Conversely Trump won because he took the side of the afflicted and proposed solutions to what ailed them. This was the easiest political lesson to learn.
But the lesson here won’t be learned by anyone at the upper echelons, neither donors to either Democrats or Republicans nor the Establishment thinking-class which does perilously little of what they pretend to do.
Which of course makes more likely the rise of what they fear the most, the man that proposes a radical do-over. They’ll sloppily paint such an individual a Nazi or a Fascist not having any idea of what Nazis or Fascists were really like. That’s not to say that the resulting kerfuffles won’t be nasty, they could very well be, but nastiness doesn’t by itself make a Fascist or a Nazi.
In fact, I suspect that the agenda of the man-with-the-plan will be the very opposite of what Fascists and Nazis proposed. Will it be nationalist? It could be. But far from imperialist conquest, a scaling back of overseas military commitment, far from a racist regime looking to push White interests over those of others, you could get a class-based agenda, designed to dismantle the stranglehold of Wall Street and the Oligarchs. There could be a severe scaling back of immigration and a rough approach to the southern border and those in the country illegally because in this issue as with many others, the interests of Big Money will no longer prevail. Neo-liberalism? Bye-bye.
In short, present-day elites that benefit mightily from the current disposition of things, could find a severe challenge to their vision and to their position in this society.
As you so delicately put it, in the last go-round there were “excesses”. We’ll see in the next one if things are done differently.
Astute analysis.
I wonder that when Washington says we are at full employment, where?
We lost our manufacturing sector thanks to corporations moving away from a negative financial situation in the US. Where are all these folks? We hear about the plight of the millennial dependence, and I do believe it, so where are they all working? What is the real picture of the workers in this country. I will guarantee you one thing, they are not all computer people making high salaries.
People working is the basis of wealth, not the monetary printing press in DC. We keep downsizing the workers of this country, we are finished. All these stupid Progressives and their give away for votes programs had better start identifying some more sources of wealth. The printing press is wearing out.
Good questions. When your eyes tell you a story that differs radically from the official narrative or official numbers, there’s only one thing you can do and that’s to believe what you see and hear yourself.
It’s like Pravda and Izvestia telling grandiose stories about the achievements of socialism. The truth was in the grubby day-to-day where everything was in short supply but vodka.
>>> How many young guys are unmarriageable because there’s no reliable bread-winner work that would allow for the support of a child-bearing wife and her offspring?
Young men always have this option. Exciting, patriotic, and builds character, too!
Friends,
Did you know that there are still close to 80,000 Holocaust survivors residing in the U.S.A. at the end of 2018?
Now bipartisan legislation has been introduced into the Senate by Senators Ben Cardin, D-MD, Kevin Cramer, R-N.D., & Jacky Rosen, D-NV, that will prioritize health care & nutrition services for Holocaust survivors.
The Trauma-Informed Modernization of Eldercare for Holocaust Survivors Act (or “TIME for Holocaust Survivors Act”) increases the chance that survivors will be able to age in their own homes.
“‘Holocaust survivors came to the United States seeking refuge from unimaginable horrors. They have lived their lives here and enriched our nation. With an average age of 85, we [sic] have an obligation to provide Holocaust survivors the community support and special services they need to live out their final days,’ Cardin said in a statement.”
And so do the rest of us (have that obligation). But that’s another story. The REAL story is that “Aging Holocaust survivors have needs similar to other older Americans, but institutionalized settings, with confined spaces or restriction on food, can induce panic, anxiety, and re-traumatization due to their Holocaust experiences,” the bill notes.
Democrat Muslim Rashida Tlaib: we “celebrate” the Holocaust… gives me a “calming feeling”…
Full context.
Where is the Left denouncing Tlaib’s “pattern” of speech, her “hateful” and “divisive” “rhetoric”, her “extremism” that is “directly responsible” for antisemitic attacks? Elrond? Anyone?
wow, you’d think after watching that video you’d been watching Heinrich Himmler’s girlfriend, or maybe just Heinrich Himmler.
Ex
You’re drawing a long bow, based on the content of that video clip. In fact, you deliberately misrepresent her clear meaning.
What, exactly, was ‘hateful & divisive rhetoric’ in that clip?
>>> In fact, you deliberately misrepresent her clear meaning.
I linked to the entire video. It speaks for itself. She “celebrates” the Holocaust. Her words. Yes—it’s hateful. Also hateful is to falsely claim that her ancestors provided Jews with a “safe haven” during the Holocaust. Pure fiction and quite the opposite.
Let’s paraphrase Tlaib and see if you can’t get it.
“Let me tell you – I mean, for me, I think two weeks ago we celebrated – or took a moment I think in our country to remember – the massacre at El Paso. And there’s a kind of a calming feeling, I always tell folks, when I think of the massacre and the tragedy of the massacre in the fact that it was my ancestors – Americans – who lost their land; and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity. Their existence in many ways had been wiped out, and some people’s passports – I mean, just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for immigrants…”
Let’s paraphrase Tlaib and see if you can’t get it. – Exscot
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Sure, I understand what Exscot is saying here but why wouldn’t the sentence be better as “Let’s paraphrase Tlaib and see if you can get it.”
I love that crucial bit Tlaib added about the passports! In the context of mass murder and the attempted extermination of all Jews on the planet, Tlaib feels the need to point out the deprivations “her people” suffered “trying to create a safe haven”. Some of them lost their passports! OMG!
Can anyone who isn’t non compos mentis honestly argue that if Trump had said this, the Left would defend it as perfectly reasonable?
” institutionalized settings, with confined spaces or restriction on food, can induce panic, anxiety, and re-traumatization due to their Holocaust experiences,” the bill notes.”
Tate,
I would further note…”bullshit”….
It’s An Honor To Continue Being Valued Over Countless Human Lives
By An AR-15
https://www.theonion.com/it-s-an-honor-to-continue-being-valued-over-countless-h-1819585030
“Look, I’m not the type who needs constant validation, and I have never sought preferential treatment from anyone. I just try to focus on doing what I do and not get too caught up in what people think or say about me. But I have to admit, it’s been hard to ignore all the support and appreciation I’ve been receiving lately, particularly over the past several years. That’s why I want to take this opportunity to let all of you know what an absolute honor it is that you continue to value me over countless human lives.
“I don’t want to get too sentimental or anything, but it really means the world to me how often you as Americans, through your words and your actions, make it known that I am more important to you than the lives of your fellow citizens.
“You see, I’m just a humble lightweight, magazine-fed semi-automatic rifle; I never expected this kind of outpouring of affection. Truly, from the bottom of my heart, thank you.”
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You’re… welcome?
i know two people who went out and bought new rifles today, not AR15s, but scoped, bolt action beauties, .308 cal, one a Remington Model 700, the other a Ruger American.
… as one of them said “before its too late”.
Brh
I would rather be sprayed at from an AR at 50 feet than targeted by a .308 Model 700 from 500 yards away. You can choose which eyeball the round goes into with the 700, just ask the Texas Tower sniper. People are dimwitted fools for the most part because an automatic combat shotgun with 8 rounds of rifled slugs and buckshot in the tube can guarantee just as many KIA’s as any AR. So can a common propane cylinder rigged properly. Fools all. .
At any rate Elrond, if ARs and Kalashnakovs were to suddenly disappear, what’s stopping someone from buying a new M1 .,30 cal carbine, a design from the early 1940s, which is being manufactured again by Inland in Florida? You can pick one up for about $500.
Brh
BRH,
If semi-automatics become illegal to own, why not just acquire a machine gun on the black market?
One felony is as good as another, and the full auto’s are much more fun to shoot.
You know E I never fired a full auto AR, the M16s in my era had this 3 round burst. These were Viet Nam era weapons so they must’ve been by modified somewhere along the way.
Speaking of AR15s, its a design over 60 years old. Its the big bogeyman now but I expect the DoD will be retiring it before too long and adopt something new, also replace the pipsqueak .223 round with the more formidable 6.5 Creedmore, fired from a weapon of bullpup design. Then the AR15/M16 will join the retired ranks of previous beloved American rifles, the Springfield 45/70, the Krag, Springfield 03, the Garand, and the (not so beloved M14) It will be a relic.
Brh
I suspect that funds will be an issue in re-gunning the military so I would suggest an approach of make it strong, make it simple, make it work. And make it low cost.
Or maybe use the tried and true:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PPSh-41
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TjEBvezEjM
Or the 43 version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIBpKHS90Ck
900 rpm
That’s what I’m talkin about!
“(not so beloved M14)”
BRH,
I have met many marines who carried the M-14…they seem to remember it fondly.
Damned straight BRH, a real rifle has to have wood and our M-14’s were exceptional weapons! I never fired mine on full auto way back when, but I heard that if you did, the first round might be close to where you aimed it but the rest of your mag might take down any overhead aircraft.
The Blizzard in the Brains
As expected, Epstein’s arrest made Hillary put her I hope last reserves into the battle, and this tactical move, which included not only massacres in California and Texas, but also fires in Siberia, as well as Medvedev looking for Chinese arsonists, was successful, which in my opinion Bastinda, who planned all this, not even expected.
So everything is not very good, but if the last reserves were really put into battle, then having killed all the flying monkeys or seized the appropriate hat, Trump will finally be able to become the president of the United States, and it will be possible to deal with Hillary in accordance with the scope of her crimes.
And while I am writing something more intelligible on this subject, I ask you, my dear readers to get acquainted with what world history, world culture and even the work of your humble servant is turning into in the hands of a smart and decent Russian publicist Mikhail Delyagin as a result of a little mistake: denial of a religious factor in the 15th Century War of the Roses.
New Carthage was forged by Jews from Venice (M. Delyagin, A. Fefelov)
What is the phenomenon of the British elite, which created an “empire in which the sun does not set.” How from a poor European country, England went all the way to the richest and most influential in the world. What role did the gentry layer of former merchants play in the success. What are the principles of Protestant morality? The secret life of Daniel Defoe, by whom the English intelligence was created, led by a famous writer. Where are the origins of modern capitalism, who managed the English finances. This and much more is told by the publicist, doctor of economic sciences Mikhail Delyagin and presenter Andrei Fefelov.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ2WBiMmI34
And what kind of brain blizzard that is can be understood simply by reading the biography of Sir Isaac Newton, who received the knighthood not for the mathematical beginnings of natural philosophy, – a topic that Newton quit studying at 35, but for his comments on the Book of Daniel, which Delyagin considers to be a sign of madness, but the grace by which Sir Isaac Newton unexpectedly became a cool director of the Royal Mint and without further ado, he hung up on the street lamps representatives of the globalist elite from the notorious City of London, where the English king does not dare to enter without the accompaniment of the Lord Mayor.
By the way, these comments by Isaac Newton on Daniel’s book now somehow ended up in the Jerusalem Library and are more difficult to access than for the descendants of Ribbentrop to gain access to the Schneerson library in Moscow.
And by the way, Fursov turned out to be the next YouTube video and it turned out that he speaks about the same topic, and note that his description of the Cambridge Five (and actually the Cambridge Dozen) perfectly illustrates what I have been trying to explain in this blog for a long time – that the communist regime in Moscow in 1918-1991 is actually a Red Project of the West = Lancaster, that is, the old aristocracy of Great Britain, which grew up according to Bulgakov around the oldest on the planet Church of England, despite the fact that according to Delyagin and Daniel Defoe this aristocracy simply does not exist.
Where did the aristocracy of Europe go? Andrey Fursov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wk9UJZen6E
By the way, the song from the movie “The Sandpit Generals” is the manifesto of the Red World Project of the West on the emergence of the embryo of a Christian world project that does not recognize the division of humanity – pay attention to the words: “You all won’t admit my kinship with you, but I am your brother.”