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The meet-up between Kanye West and President D.J. Trump was an even richer metaphor for the situation: two self-styled “geniuses” preening for the cameras in the Oval Office, like kids in a sandbox, without a single intelligible idea emerging from the play-date, and embarrassed grownups all standing ‘round pretending it was a Great Moment in History. You had to wonder how much of Kanye’s bazillion dollar fortune was stashed in the burning house of FAANG stocks. Maybe that flipped his bipolar toggle. Or was he even paying attention to the market action through all the mugging and hugging? (He did have his phone in hand.) Meanwhile, Mr. Trump seemed to be squirming through the episode behind his mighty Resolute desk as if he had “woke” to the realization that ownership of a bursting epic global financial bubble was not exactly “winning.”

If I were President, I’d declare Oct 12 Greater Fool Day. (Nobody likes Christopher Columbus anymore, that genocidal monster of dead white male privilege.) The futures are zooming as I write, a last roundup for suckers at the OD corral, begging the question: who will show up on Monday. Nobody, I predict. And then what?

The great false front of the financial markets resumes falling over into the November election. The rubble from all that buries whatever is left of the automobile business and the housing market. The smoldering aftermath will be described as the start of a long-overdue recession — but it will actually be something a lot worse, with no end in sight.

The Democratic Party might not be nimble enough to capitalize on the sudden disappearance of capital. Their only hope to date has been to capture the vote of every female in America, to otherwise augment their constituency of inflamed and aggrieved victims of unsubstantiated injustices. It’s been fun playing those cards, and the Party might not even know how to play a different game at this point. Democratic politicians may also be among the one-percenters who watch their net worth go up in a vapor in a market collapse, leaving them too numb to act. The last time something like this happened, in the fall of 2008, candidate Barack Obama barely knew what to say about the fall of Lehman Brothers and the ensuing cascade of misery —  though unbeknownst to the voters, he was already a hostage of Wall Street.

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505 Responses to “Hammer Time”

  1. goat1001 October 12, 2018 at 9:46 am #

    Jim, looks like you hit the nail on the head…

    • pyrrhus October 12, 2018 at 12:16 pm #

      Let’s see, Republican in office, big election coming up, Fed raises rates, market crashes…Where have we seen this script before? Nixon(twice), Reagan, Bush, Trump…..

      • JohnAZ October 12, 2018 at 12:29 pm #

        I will tell you the worst idiocy. Bill Clinton compromised with Speaker Gingrich and the result produced actual budget surpluses. Why? To reduce the national debt! Right! So we elect in Bush, who had no intention of acting responsible about the debt and promptly gave away the increased revenues from Clinton’s years of good economy to his cronies. A pox on both parties. Drain the Swamp! Death to the Deep State!

        The tax cuts contributed to the crash of 2007.

        • outsider October 12, 2018 at 1:09 pm #

          As they will in 2018. Too much of a good thing? Republicans never learn.

        • Exscotticus October 12, 2018 at 9:45 pm #

          This is the best example of the failure of our political system to address an existential threat. There’s no incentive for either party to seize power and then impose hardships to pay down the budget—only to lose power for said hardships and have the opposing party come in and spend the surplus.

          The solution has to be a policy that can last decades and survive changes in political leadership. Perhaps a Constitutional amendment.

        • zekesdad October 13, 2018 at 11:21 am #

          The one or two years of surpluses under Bill Clinton were NOT used to reduce the national debt, but were instead used to pay for even more government spending. The spending of course is never reduced even when tax revenue falls. Also, Clinton was lucky enough to receive a “peace dividend” with the collapse of the Soviet Union. He was lucky that his tax increases did not tank the economy which was still strong after 12 years of pro-growth policies under Reagan and G.H.W. Bush. I don’t know what you mean when you say that Bush “gave away” the increased revenues to his cronies. He did try to direct discretionary spending to funding his priorities, as all presidents do. Most spending is non-discrectionary anyway. Think S.S. and Medicare.

          • Exscotticus October 13, 2018 at 1:24 pm #

            Neocon RINO Bush expanded Medicare (prescription drugs). So that’s part of the surplus right there.

        • Ancianoloco October 15, 2018 at 10:22 am #

          The Bill Clinton budget surpluses were nothing more than accounting legerdemain, but we do love to cling to our false narratives, don’t we?

        • MagnaCarta October 15, 2018 at 10:42 pm #

          So did the U.S. taxpayer bailout of lenders that were sinking in Dubai. “Dubai World” was too big to fail. Almost all the banks and stock brokerages that were in crisis in the USA were heavily invested in Dubai World.

          • MagnaCarta October 15, 2018 at 10:55 pm #

            2008, Dubai building boom in crisis. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-dubai-crisis-idUSTRE4AJ65C20081121

            What is Dubai known for now? The wealth of middle class America was ex-appropriated by congress and given to the banks and Wall Street to rescue Dubai. The USA’s economy is broken (double entendre intended) beyond repair. Inflation, stagflation, what’s next?

    • Walter B October 12, 2018 at 10:53 pm #

      Jim always hits the nails on the head. It is a shame that he cannot hit the politicians on the heads as well, but that is not so easy to do considering the fact that they keep their heads firmly lodged up their own bung holes!

  2. Martymcfly October 12, 2018 at 9:47 am #

    Easy folks, it’s just a market correction, probably not even a bear market, Definitely not the end of the world as we know it. Maybe time to buy. A reasonable response to interst rates, trade wars and an overheated stock market.

    • Ron Anselmo October 12, 2018 at 10:17 am #

      Yes, yes, buy. Nothing like catching a falling knife.


      • shotho October 12, 2018 at 10:42 am #

        Absolutely, buy with both fists and you may be correct – or not. But, it really doesn’t matter in the short, medium or long term. This sucker is going down – hard – this week, next week, next month or next year.

        • Martymcfly October 12, 2018 at 12:39 pm #

          So far, like forever, it has worked pretty well investing in the market. And investing more when the market is down is even better. You are correct, it will end someday, but not this week, next week, next month or next year. We’ve got a few decades, centuries or millenia to go still.

          • Ron Anselmo October 12, 2018 at 12:48 pm #

            Do you use an investment advisor named Gracenphil?


          • Martymcfly October 12, 2018 at 9:05 pm #

            Well, I can assure you it isn’t Mr Kunstler. He’s a great writer, but his economic predictions have been less impressive.

          • messianicdruid October 13, 2018 at 12:41 pm #

            ‘‘Tis better to be 17 years early, than to be one day late.

          • Martymcfly October 14, 2018 at 7:21 am #

            A month early, sure. A year early, maybe. Seventeen years early, ridiculous. You have missed out on a small fortune, or a nice retirement fund.

      • Ancianoloco October 15, 2018 at 10:27 am #

        Hey, if this guy wants to co-opt a beloved movie character to spout his confirmation bias, that’s his right.

    • Zoltar October 12, 2018 at 10:34 am #

      I think you should definitely pout everything you’ve got into the market at this time, Marty. We’ve been waiting to watch this.

      • outsider October 12, 2018 at 1:16 pm #

        I’ve been debating whether to sell and put all my retirement into savings (SOO damn tired of the volitivity), but I’ve waited too long. Can’t sell now until the market recovers its losses.

        • Zoltar October 12, 2018 at 1:54 pm #

          Obviously, I don’t know the particulars of your situation, Outsider, but I guarantee you that your losses at this point are modest compared to what they’ll be after the market has lost half its “value.”

          • Martymcfly October 12, 2018 at 9:07 pm #

            Yes, if you are uncomfortable with volatility, now would be a fine time to sell. The market is close to it’s all time high.

    • Walter B October 12, 2018 at 8:57 pm #

      Anyone that trusts a Wall Street thief with their cash needs to be read the Bernie Madoff story.

  3. Georges1202 October 12, 2018 at 9:55 am #

    The Orange Shithead currently in charge of America, Inc. has the authority to cancel the Posse Comitatus Act (as Waco about that one). All this would be upheld by the dreadful Kavanaugh who believes presidents are directly descendant from the Gods.

    Won’t it be a joy to watch the House of Cards built by the rich fall apart?
    Imagine if money again was simply a marker of real value. Around 40% of the ‘economy’ would evaporate. Can’t wait.

    • Cavepainter October 12, 2018 at 10:09 am #

      Well Georges, I suggest you listen to JFK’s latest podcast (yesterday) with Jason Horsley; all about how our nation has wrapped itself in occult like beliefs as divorced from reality as is the script followed in Game of Thrones.

      • Georges1202 October 12, 2018 at 10:28 am #

        Has the playful Jack Kennedy rejoined us? I had a suspicion he could not watch this fucking curcus from the Gross Himmel too long without speaking up…

        • messianicdruid October 13, 2018 at 12:46 pm #


          Imagine the shock!

        • Ancianoloco October 15, 2018 at 10:29 am #

          Yes, if only more of “your people” were in charge, things would be so much better.

  4. Paulo October 12, 2018 at 10:03 am #

    Nailed it. Monday will be interesting as that is the day most carnage occurs.

    Whether or not this rout has legs, the massive levels of debt is a ticking bomb. Most individuals, corporations, countries, all carry too much debt. Nuts. It will not continue indefinitely.

    Kanye West talking to the president of the US? The place has gone fucking nuts. Inertia may carry this clown show for awhile yet, but some day in the future history books will be written about this corrupt and bereft social experiment. There will be denial this even happened as it is unfolding. It is simply too embarrassing to admit a Country is so ‘exceptional’.

    Oh well, we got rid of all debt in our household a good twenty years ago. When it all goes kaput I might buy some more land and tools. Maybe a hideout, even though we already live in a pretty safe place. Maybe a gold plated toilet with some Trump asswipe.

    • Anon1970 October 12, 2018 at 10:52 am #

      Relax. I doubt that most Americans could even find Vancouver Island on a map. So you are probably safe.

      The US has some exceptional people but the country is certainly not exceptional unless you want to call the run up in the national debt exceptional. For years, I have found it amazing that so many millions of Americans are willing to put their religion ahead of their economic needs. Now many of them are paying the price.

    • pyrrhus October 12, 2018 at 12:20 pm #

      Obama frequently had rappers in the White House, generally with felony convictions on their record, and nobody said boo…..Double standard?

      • Steeleje October 12, 2018 at 1:19 pm #

        Maybe Obama did, maybe he didn’t (I’m leaning towards he didn’t so often).

        What Obama NEVER did was hold a circus of a press conference in the Oval Office with people behaving like they were sitting in someone’s basement like a bad episode of ‘That 70’s Show’ with their brain so addled that they can string a coherent sentence together exclaiming what a “Mother Fucker” they are. This is all going on while citizens in the panhandle of Florida are losing their homes and everything they own to a monster of a storm!!! Somehow, I think the former President would have been using his time at a moment like that more constructively!

        That was a new low even for this Administration.

        • RB October 12, 2018 at 2:51 pm #

          Mr. Obama never hesitated to go to a golf course during various tragedies. It’s just that the media gave him a pass. Obama was and remains a sociopath. The fool just had to humiliate Trump in public and of course Mr. Trump with a band of deplorables decided to run for the White House and, and, and WON THE DAMN THING. Obama aided Trump’s election and did not help the pants suit shrew the dems ran. Biden could be president now though that would be no thrill either.

        • lbs October 13, 2018 at 1:26 am #

          Well, it kind of makes sense what the left says about Kanye being crazy. Who but a crazy person would do something that triggered the wrath of the racial stormtroopers of the Deep State and their court jesters of the media?

  5. FincaInTheMountains October 12, 2018 at 10:07 am #

    On the issue of Orthodoxy and the CIA

    First of all, I want to apologize for the promise in the previous post to explain why I think that Trump paid dearly for his conviction that a CIA agent cannot be a real Christian.

    Firstly, in this case, it’s about a certain clone of the Anglican Church in the USA, but Trump, despite his respect for Orthodoxy, is not yet ready to consider Orthodoxy the only form of real Christianity.

    Secondly, you must understand the specifics of my position, in particular, that I am very much obliged to the United States and therefore I will not comment on this accidentally published statement.

    As for the dearly paid statement, regardless of the CIA agents, but in direct connection with the spiritual life of a person who entered a well-known but secret society, let me say that Trump paid the highest price for appointing to the post of Attorney General the first senator who supported his candidacy for the presidency of the United States.

    Jeff Sessions at the first accusations of the Trump election campaign in connection with the Russians, and just Russians – nobody initially accused him of having connections with Russian intelligence, refused to supervise the investigation of these charges as their participant and supervise the investigation of Mueller, which ended up in the hands of the Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein.

    The latter, for almost two years, faithfully served the Deep State headed by Hillary Clinton, and only when they, just before the start of the alleged catastrophic destruction caused by Hurricane Francis, demanded that he, going to Trump, put on listening and recording equipment, rebelled and switched to the President’s side.

    NYT naturally immediately snitched him out, apparently having records of his conversations with Bastinda’s flying monkeys, but Trump did not succumb to the provocation, but secretly met Rosenstein and made a decision to leave him as Deputy Attorney General in charge of Mueller’s investigation.

    So if he decides now to dismiss Sessions, then in his place will be Rosenstein, whom he now appears to trust.

    All is well that ends well, but the question arises:

    Did Sessions become scared after the beginning of Hillary Clinton offensive, or was he her agent from the start?

    And the answer to this question is as the death of Koschei is in the egg, which is inside the hare, which … well, etc. etc.


    Let’s leave the egg alone for now, but the hare is that Sessions did not only confine control over Mueller to Rosenstein, but let Trump’s policy derail a couple of times, bringing it to its semantic opposite ala semantic exercises of Hillary Clinton.

    For example, refusing to investigate the meeting of Bill Clinton with Mrs. Lynch on the eve of the consideration of his wife’s case, he replies that the investigation of political manipulation by the FBI investigation will be a political manipulation and he will not allow this in his department, but Oh!, that such an investigation is likely to put in jail at least 90% of those who are currently investigating Trump’s connection with the Russian manipulators of the electoral processes in the United States, does not concern him.

    To say more clearly that he receives all his directions right from Hillary I can’t.

    I will write about Sessions more in the future, since his logic of bringing Trump’s orders to the point of absurdity is reminiscent of how Medvedev’s supporters in 2011 tried to take Putin for a ride and what Volker said about the religious situation in Ukraine now, but without compare the above reasoning of Sessions with this text:

    3) Accept and review petitions for appeal by Filaret Denisenko, Macarius Maletich and their followers who found themselves in a split not for dogmatic reasons, in accordance with the canonical prerogatives of the Patriarch of Constantinople to receive such requests from hierarchs and other clergy from all Autocephalous Churches. Thus, the aforementioned canonically restored to their hierarchical or priestly rank, and their faithful were restored to communion with the Church.

    4) Revoke legal obligations for the Synodal letter of 1686 issued for the circumstances of that time, which, according to the oikonomia, the Moscow Patriarch was given the right to supply the Metropolitan of Kiev, elected by the Council of clergy and laity of his diocese to commemorate the Ecumenical Patriarch as the First Hierarch in all church services , proclaiming and confirming its canonical dependence on the Mother of Constantinople Church. ”

    and in order for you to understand the importance of these findings, I want to draw your attention to the fact that in April 2015, Hillary sent her agent Sessions to Trump, when no one else could imagine that Trump would win over her.


    I am afraid that in the history of the Russian Church, it was not the Synodal period that ended, but the Ukrainian, which best describes this phrase. As they say, there is a blessing in disguise.

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    • Georges1202 October 12, 2018 at 10:19 am #

      Is it a violation of decorum to write a ‘reply’ longer than the original Clusterfuck?

      • FincaInTheMountains October 12, 2018 at 10:27 am #

        I do apologize for publishing post that seemingly has no relationship to the topic of our conversation today, but I am convinced that the current market fluctuations and the dispute between President Trump and the FED has more to do with the law enforcement than with the “Invisible Hand of the Market”, which, as you should know by now is around your neck and inside your pocket.

        • GreenAlba October 12, 2018 at 11:00 am #

          “I do apologize for publishing post that seemingly has no relationship to the topic of our conversation today, ”

          Today? 🙂

          • K-Dog October 12, 2018 at 11:56 am #

            Why, nobody else does.

            I’ll agree with you. Meandering topics dum down the discussion. But that’s the point of the authors who write them. An American thinking class is not desired by those who wield power and steps are taken to control the narrative more to the liking of the powerful. The plot twists that could happen if those with enough brains but insufficient property started talking truth to power must be prevented.

            In the absence of a shooting war what else is their to do?

            Making the world a better place is too ethereal. And hard.

        • Ol' Scratch October 12, 2018 at 11:02 am #

          Brace yourself, it’s a tough crowd today, Finca.

          • K-Dog October 12, 2018 at 12:05 pm #

            It always is.

        • akmofo October 12, 2018 at 11:32 am #

          It has to do with the simple relationship between corporate bonds yields and government bonds yields, the difference there of, and the effect on credit for corporations. The “Invisible Hand of the Market” only exists for the ignorant. That is, those that subscribe to Vatican/CIA propaganda media, including its russ branches.

          • akmofo October 12, 2018 at 11:34 am #

            And yeah, President Trump is absolutely correct in smacking down the FED.

          • Georges1202 October 12, 2018 at 11:51 am #

            Maybe, but that dumbfuck airs it all out in public sending the markets will-nilly.

            He has no couth, class or anything else resembling tact.

          • akmofo October 12, 2018 at 12:05 pm #

            The market doesn’t need you to cheer it on, up or down. In the scheme of things you are less than dead fly, while that “dumbfuck” is a successful multi-billionaire leading the most powerful country on the planet. Just a little perspective for your over inflated ego.

          • pyrrhus October 12, 2018 at 12:23 pm #

            The Fed is a totally corrupt and illegitimate institution…They bailed out their friends in 2009 and told the public to drop dead…Trump cannot bash them too much, and it is good politics as well…

          • Georges1202 October 12, 2018 at 12:44 pm #


            Guess you missed the Times expose whereupon they outed your favorite con-man as a pumped up little rich brat who can’t run a falafel stand without massive injections of Daddy’s money.

            Hail to the Thief!

          • akmofo October 12, 2018 at 1:15 pm #

            I stopped patronizing these commie Vatican/CIA propaganda outlets oh some 30 years ago when I was old enough to learn and discern their staged Paliwood propaganda lies. Since then these commie Vatican/CIA propaganda outlets do not exist in my world. I don’t believe anything they say about anything, and I never will.

          • akmofo October 12, 2018 at 1:25 pm #

            Btw, looks to me that the German DAX is already in the dumpster. I bet you didn’t hear about this in your “Times”.

          • elysianfield October 12, 2018 at 7:52 pm #

            Let me help you here;

            Commie Vatican/Cia= Covacia

            Covacias in the plural;

            Covacia’s the possessive….

          • messianicdruid October 13, 2018 at 9:39 pm #

            “That is, those that subscribe to Vatican/CIA propaganda media, including its russ branches.”

            I don’t buy the Russ or Vatican part, but…

            “Ramparts was one of the first to publish alternative theories of the assassination, beginning in the late 1960’s. Although Ramparts was considered to be a far left or even anarchist rag at the time, it turns out it was another CIA front, like Encounter, Partisan Review, Paris Review, and most other “intellectual” magazines. By the 1960’s, the CIA had infiltrated the entire media, including smaller, seemingly independent journals like Ramparts.”


      • daveed October 12, 2018 at 10:35 am #

        “Is it a violation of decorum to write a ‘reply’ longer than the original Clusterfuck?”

        Only if anyone reads it.

        • No one reads it

          • outsider October 12, 2018 at 1:29 pm #


          • SpeedyBB October 12, 2018 at 9:51 pm #

            Excuse me, Lil Debbie Pack.

            I read Finca’s elaborations, usually in toto, for the wonderment.

            It also makes me think.

            Actually more like think / thank / thunk.

            Same reason I occasionally browse Stormfront or another feisty, frivolous, frothy, frosty website.

            Man’s ravings are worth reading, and considering in all seriousness.

            This is a very strange age we are living in, getting stranger by the moment.

            Old certainties ain’t fer shit.


          • messianicdruid October 13, 2018 at 9:42 pm #

            “Old certainties ain’t fer shit.“

            The “old landmarks” have been moved, so how can the Old certainties be known?

  6. Paul Ford O'Neil October 12, 2018 at 10:10 am #

    Hello James,

    Well I’m glad “OJ-III” is over so we can get back to more important things.

    Down here at the confluence of the Anacostia & Potomac the ducks and geese are frolicking in the fresh rainwaters of ‘Michael’ and the fall colors are just starting to peek out as the thermometer dips into the 50s for the first time since spring.

    Just by happenstance in conversation Wednesday evening at the weekly boat-boyz meet ‘Tom’ casually mentioned we were headed into a recession. Now since ‘Tom’ spends his days surfing the capital flows of the planet to find those dodging taxes – my interest was piqued, but he would say nothing more.

    Why you may ask, should I put such gravity in what most would regard as a flip remark – because ‘Tom’ woks for the Federal Department that has complete access to the entire financial system of this third rock from the sun!

    Looks like you have finally arrived at the juxtaposition of theory [gut-reaction] and real-reality! Or as some hollywierd movie line went – Shit just got real!

    Congratulations James – carry on until you are carrion.


    • Sean Coleman October 12, 2018 at 12:21 pm #

      I don’t want to go off topic but I can’t get onto this site on my computer at home so it’s now or never. Thanks for your link to E Michael Jones a few weeks ago. I don’t agree with him about the ‘victims’ but he has some good insights, or at least confirms what I have already been thinking.

      • Paul Ford O'Neil October 12, 2018 at 2:35 pm #

        Hi Sean,

        D. Mike’s a tough guy who never backs down, so I understand your point. Yet, he has been following the culture wars for over thirty years so he tends to double-down once in a while:


        His pal Peter has a longer involvement in the culture wars since his daze at Not-a-Damn Udiversity in the late 1960s.

        HOWEVER – ‘Toms’ comment – “We’re going into a recession.” is the verbal/economic grenade thrown onto my dinner plate on Wednesday night.

        ‘Tom’ knows . . .


  7. erik October 12, 2018 at 10:11 am #

    Jim, you may be jumping on the apocalypse now bandwagon a little too quickly. I know you’ve been predicting a final irresoluble crash for over a decade now and maybe you’re hoping for vindication at last. Still you maybe taking your bows too soon. If you’re right you’re a genius of course.

    • Ol' Scratch October 12, 2018 at 11:00 am #

      The crash is a process, not a single event.

      • malthuss October 12, 2018 at 1:31 pm #

        some events are bigger than others.

        QOL is declining.

        • SoftStarLight October 12, 2018 at 8:08 pm #

          Yes, it is.

  8. gonetohell October 12, 2018 at 10:43 am #

    JHK has made an entire career lamenting the inevitable demise of our suburbanized American life. I imagine he’s gotten very comfortable peddling his books across the country he expects to land in the dustbin of history. Just another failed civilization. It’s all falling apart and the wheels are coming off. But in the meantime, will you please buy my books.

    • Ol' Scratch October 12, 2018 at 10:59 am #

      I imagine he’s gotten very comfortable peddling his books across the country he expects to land in the dustbin of history.

      I’m guessing you’ve never tried to make a go of it as a writer. Exceedingly tough business in a land that no longer reads much of anything longer than a sentence fragment or two.

      • Walter B October 12, 2018 at 9:04 pm #

        Seems the country has really gonetohell.

  9. PeteAtomic October 12, 2018 at 11:01 am #

    Wow, you write as if ole Jimmy left you crying & desperate at some roadside motel somewhere

  10. Luhrenloup October 12, 2018 at 11:01 am #

    Kanye’s only problem is that he is a sincere man in a decadent world and so is perceived as a fool for it.
    There’s been another freefall, Facebook and Twitter have removed over 800 political sites with millions of viewers. Does the upcoming midterms play a role?

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    • Ron Anselmo October 12, 2018 at 11:18 am #

      On Facebook & Twitter, playing a role in midterms? Yes, they are criminals. Sherman Anti-Trust or RICO, if only our AG wasn’t off to see The Wizard…


      • Luhrenloup October 12, 2018 at 1:43 pm #

        In a way this is for the good. it’s a serious loss for those who spent years on these sites building up a following, but in the long run these social sites will lose. What serious political entity is going to be willing to sign up with such untrustworthy social media? I think Facebook is the pits, and it will only get worse with all the interesting sites being removed.

    • PeteAtomic October 12, 2018 at 11:20 am #

      Insightful point. I think also kanye is off the reservation cuz he refuses the pre packaged slave mentality role that was expected of him at birth because of his skin color.

    • malthuss October 12, 2018 at 11:25 am #

      I never related to Rap, so rap celebs are hard for me to relate to.

      • JohnAZ October 12, 2018 at 11:41 am #

        Rap is African beat music written and performed by people, they are not all Black, who cannot sing, and who want to bitch about their quality of life, while making millions. Kanye is the only one that seems to want to give some of his millions back, monetarily and action.

        • cbeard October 12, 2018 at 6:52 pm #

          Music has melody and meter. Rap has only meter. It is not music. Just noise with stupid, vulgar, juvenile rhymes. Can’t call them lyrics or poetry. Ella, Duke, Basie, Wes, Bird, all the great black musicians are rolling in there grave.

          • elysianfield October 12, 2018 at 7:55 pm #

            “rolling in there grave.”

            More correctly “rocking and rolling”….

  11. PeteAtomic October 12, 2018 at 11:13 am #

    All human civilization inexorably fails, it’s just a matter of duration, severity, and the amount of bloodshed & horror involved in collapse.
    I’m hoping the American one is more like a slow burn then a wildfire, but the way the logistics of the food economy is organized, I don’t think so.

    • JohnAZ October 12, 2018 at 12:13 pm #


      If change is slow enough, people adjust satisfactorily. If abrupt, watch out as people go to war to retain the scraps. JHK predicts short order things I believe will take years or decades to pass. For example, all the world’s money folks are adjusting everyday to the changing level of available capital. Look at what is happening now. Real wealth is not being generated near as much as fifty years ago. Capital is represented less and less with things built by people, and more and more with automation and the house of cards on Wall Street. Less real capital available, especially in an economy that is trying to expand, the price of money rises. This is occurring world wide. It is not a step function though.

      The real dangers though ARE step function changes. Wall Street losing the faith. The Fed slamming on the brakes with no expansion problems evident. Yeah, like right now. Politicos in finance positions messing with fiscal and monetary policy to try to get their way. The big boys, the realization that the supply downturn in the oil supply has started and the price goes up. Like maybe right now. Climate change and its continuous attempts to blow off heat in the forms of increasing day to day storminess, increasing intensity and staying power of hurricanes, continues to destroy capital, houses, cars, commercial buildings, etc. Insurance companies are an endangered species if it continues to increase. Drought conditions continuing to grow as population shifts scrap capital.

      While the fools in DC do nothing, the probability of a step function change increases. Even step function changes are multi year events. Bill Maher is messing with fire when he says we need a recession to beat Trump. One of these days we will find we cannot dig our way out of a debacle. The Long Emergency will descend on us like gangbusters.

      • zekesdad October 13, 2018 at 11:32 am #

        Pete: “Real wealth is not being generated near as much as fifty years ago”. How do you know? Do you have any facts and figures to support your claim? Can you cite GDP figures from 1968 and 2017 for example?

        • PeteAtomic October 13, 2018 at 10:38 pm #

          You talking to john az?

    • SpeedyBB October 12, 2018 at 10:09 pm #

      Pete “A”,

      When I was back in Norteamerica in late 1986, making an ultimately disastrous attempt to reintegrate into the “culture” as it stood, I went into a deli in upper Manhattan and purchased a large, fragrant, blushing mango. For a dollar. It was winter, and I stood there for a moment outside the store imagining the trip that fruit had taken, how little the farmer must have earned from it, and the very fragility of the whole transport / distribution system. That was only me, the stranger in my own land. Everybody else was going about their business, assuming the era of ripe dollar mangoes would stride merrily on forever.

      • PeteAtomic October 13, 2018 at 10:53 pm #

        Yea surreal isn’t it? I guess the good people of North Dakota will have to survive without orange juice in a collapse lol

  12. wm5135 October 12, 2018 at 11:18 am #

    Federal Income slashed again, inflation via tariff, interest rates looking up and a continuing resolution for the new fiscal year warming up in the wings – now is definitely the time to buy equities. Even better borrow and short sale as a hedge to your portfolio.

    We are riding at break neck speed on maypops down a rain sllcked highway and the driver intends to apply the brakes entering into a curve.

    Blessed be the Plunge Protectors for they shall bounce the cat.

    and last but not least, China will be brought to her knees by dollar denominated debt. How? The invisible hand of the free market!

    Have a THADD at 20% discount.

    • Eoin October 12, 2018 at 2:29 pm #

      “-last but not least, China will be brought to her knees by dollar denominated debt. How? The invisible hand of the free market!”

      Bingo !

      And it cannot happen too soon.
      It’s too bad that so many people have to suffer, and perhaps die, to make it happen.
      Yes, the “invisible hand”, appropriately gloved and inserted in the appropriate National orifice of the Communist country, built with U.S. money, that lately presupposes to begin dictating international policy.

    • BuckP October 12, 2018 at 3:10 pm #

      We didn’t bring North Vietnam to it’s knees when dropping more bombs on them than we did on Germany and Japan during WWII. I don’t think a coubterfeit (fiat) hegemonic reserve currency that the world no longer wants is going to intimidate them. Let’s say the US backs them into a corner, then what do they have to lose by going to war. We have a lot to lose, namely, for some, a somewhat, comfortable suburban life style with our Starbuck’s, smartphones, Costco’s and Sorentos.
      Wars cost money, at last glance, our government is $21 trillion in the hole and basically broke. What will war do to those interest rates?
      BTW, if the THADD parts were manufactured in America then don’t count on it being functional. After a recent crash, the futuristic made-in-America F-35 is now grounded.
      “never get involved in a ground war in Asia”
      — The Princess Bride and Douglas MacArthur
      We were brought to our knees by a psychotic with explosive underwear! Now, in order to fly, we have to undergo full body scans exposing our privates, take off our shoes and wait in ungodly long lines. I shudder to think what would happen if a sleeping giant like China were awakened.

  13. malthuss October 12, 2018 at 11:26 am #

    Looks like somebody threw a dead cat onto Wall Street’s luge run overnight to temporarily halt the rather ugly 2000 point slide in the Dow Jones Industrial Average /
    This am I checked, up 300.

    • Ron Anselmo October 12, 2018 at 11:50 am #

      Short covering.


      • malthuss October 12, 2018 at 1:24 pm #

        copy that.

  14. Exscotticus October 12, 2018 at 11:43 am #

    >>> …though unbeknownst to the voters, he was already a hostage of Wall Street.

    Obama’s refusal to prosecute those associated with the collapse of the entire world financial system is what took the shine off “hope” and “change”. Fines were eventually levied years after the fact. But virtually no one did so much as a day in jail.

    The movie, The Big Short, perfectly summarized the times with its portrayal of an SEC regulator tanning herself and trying to get a job at one of the banks she’s supposed to be regulating.

    • Eoin October 12, 2018 at 2:31 pm #

      Remember the quote at the beginning of that film ?

      “Truth is like poetry, and everybody fuckin’ hates poetry.”

    • Walter B October 12, 2018 at 9:23 pm #

      The Big Short should be mandated viewing for all American high school students, even if it might tend to make them think twice about being duped into getting massively into debt to fund their “college experiences”. “

      • Exscotticus October 13, 2018 at 1:27 pm #

        A better film for HS would be Inside Job.

  15. BackRowHeckler October 12, 2018 at 11:44 am #

    Meanwhile, on the local level, 1st frost of the season predicted for the night of Oct. 15.

    Dairy of Simon Hart c1645 (ancestor of poet Hart Crane) recorded the 1st frost of that year for this town, Oct. 15.

    With the world heating up as it purportedly is, why hasn’t this date been pushed out further toward November?


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    • K-Dog October 12, 2018 at 12:04 pm #

      With the world heating up as it purportedly is

      No offense to you BRH, we all do what we have to do, but I’m thinking that we have reached a point where people who lie and advocate that the warming is not actually going on need a serious beat-down.

      Violence now or extinction later. Seems to be an easy thing to figure.

      • Sean Coleman October 12, 2018 at 12:17 pm #


        This is where the problem lies.

        • K-Dog October 12, 2018 at 2:25 pm #

          “Purportedly” is a dodge not a problem. Scientific consensus is absolutely overwhelming. “Purportedly” is a lie and a deliberate attempt to mislead. It is appropriate that liars be treated like liars some time soon. They don’t need to be educated. They already know they lie.

          Deniers are liars.

      • Tate October 12, 2018 at 12:24 pm #

        “Need a serious beat-down”? That’s what SHE (Hitlery) said.

    • Tate October 12, 2018 at 12:21 pm #

      You’re just a trouble-maker, aren’t you?

      • K-Dog October 12, 2018 at 2:33 pm #

        No you are.

        • Tate October 12, 2018 at 3:27 pm #

          It wasn’t addressed to you. It was to BRH & his inconvenient truth about the first frost of c1645.

          On the contrary, you cause no trouble for anyone.

    • GreenAlba October 12, 2018 at 2:21 pm #


      Here are the clues to the answer to your question. You wrote them yourself.

      “Meanwhile, on the local level, 1st frost of the season predicted for the night of Oct. 15.

      Dairy of Simon Hart c1645 (ancestor of poet Hart Crane) recorded the 1st frost of that year for this town, Oct. 15.

      With the world heating up as it purportedly is, why hasn’t this date been pushed out further toward November?

      But this isn’t the topic of the day, so I’m not getting into it any further, although it’s a continuing existential problem.

      That means if any of my regular snapping rottweilers intervene here, I’m leaving your posts unanswered. This one is just an answer that the questioner should have seen for himself, but didn’t.

    • sophia October 12, 2018 at 11:46 pm #

      It’s not about global warming, it’s about the katydids. You are supposed to get the first frost 6 weeks after they come into the house. They came in on August 25th, so the first frost is already a week late.

  16. BackRowHeckler October 12, 2018 at 11:54 am #

    Headline in Daily Mail todayl

    “Russian Soldiers Batter Each Other in Bloody Test To Earn Maroon Beret”

    Headline last week

    US Marines to undergo sensitivity training, urged to shed toxic masculinity.


    • JohnAZ October 12, 2018 at 12:17 pm #

      Can you see the next war, our troops putting flowers into the guns of the Russians. Another perfect example of the fem-bot takeover.

      • K-Dog October 12, 2018 at 2:32 pm #

        Best to avoid war, Russians could kick our asses.

        • SpeedyBB October 12, 2018 at 11:22 pm #

          On the other hand look at the suicide rates over yonder.

          I was just thinking the other day about the revelation that Japanese baseball coaches were unwittingly burning out their charges through over-training. Extreme harshness does not simply ‘toughen up’ males, it can damage them. Including psychosis.

          Suicide in Russia is a clear expression of the inability to deal with ‘ass-kicking’ Russians. Just saying.


      • sophia October 12, 2018 at 11:47 pm #

        Nah, ours will be in recovery from their taxpayer funded sex change operations.

    • Exscotticus October 12, 2018 at 12:45 pm #

      Here’s one of our new breed of feminized soldiers demonstrating our latest non-lethal weapon system.

    • From the Youtube video describing it:

      So, who are these geniuses in the cage match? And what is this prize, the Maroon Beret?

      The geniuses in question are the special task force units of the Russian Federal Penitentiary Service. They’re toughening up so they can beat up dissidents, political prisoners, and homosexuals.

      Several men carrying a log prepares them for carrying a journalist to a van after beating him unconscious in his home in front of his family.

      Crawling through the mud with a Kalashnikov prepares them for ducking a covering from enemy fire when their reinforcements from the IL-20 that crashed never arrive.

      And hand to hand combat with members of their platoon prepares them for the many drunken brawls they’ll get into while posted in some miserable distant barracks.

      Being denigrated and verbally abused by the Maroon Beret holders prepares them for a lifetime of being what they can and cannot do, and exactly how low expectations are for the rest of their lives.

      At the end of the ceremony they kiss the prize garment, which symbolizes the way their president kisses the holy Orthodox sacrament presented by the white-bearded Priests of the apostolic order.

  17. K-Dog October 12, 2018 at 11:58 am #

    No talk about Kavanagh, good!!!

    I don’t want to hear about him unless he gets hit by a bus.

  18. Ishabaka October 12, 2018 at 12:18 pm #

    Jim’s showing his old Democrat colors here – making fun of an individual for his serious mental illness. Like the Dems made fun of a Republican at the Kavanauh hearings for reportedly being gay: “we love queers – as long as they’re OUR queers”. Kanye just might be the person to lead America’s blacks out of their fifty years in the Democrat welfare plantation – the horror! The horror!

    If Kanye can arrange a meeting between Colin Kaepernick and the President – one of his stated goals, liberal heads everywhere will explode.

    • Georges1202 October 12, 2018 at 12:47 pm #

      Kaepernick might just grab the opportunity to dress down that fat slob. I can see him doing it – he doesn’t care…

    • K-Dog October 12, 2018 at 2:29 pm #

      Even meeting the golden helmsman is buying into the system.

      • elysianfield October 12, 2018 at 8:02 pm #

        Dam Dog,
        Have you had your shots updated?

  19. janet October 12, 2018 at 12:23 pm #

    “The crash is a process, not a single event.” — Ol’ Scratch

    LOL! Yes, just as the fall is a “process” after the stockbroker jumps from the 41st floor window. Think about it.

  20. FincaInTheMountains October 12, 2018 at 12:29 pm #

    Rap is African beat music written and performed by people == JohnAZ

    Russian version of rap – famous chastushky (something spoken or sung very rapidly)


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    • FincaInTheMountains October 12, 2018 at 12:34 pm #

      Translation to English, unfortunately, is unprintable.

      • JohnAZ October 12, 2018 at 12:47 pm #


        Very good. Enjoyed it

        One slight difference though. The Russian (rapper) got laughter as a response to his “song”, American rappers get social disorder and anger.

        • akmofo October 12, 2018 at 2:53 pm #

          One is a funny clown, one is a not so funny clown?

    • FincaInTheMountains October 12, 2018 at 1:01 pm #

      Any four-liner translated to English would give an immediate heart-attack to any #MeToo warrior.

    • K-Dog October 12, 2018 at 2:45 pm #

      “And when daddy gets home he gets no rest.

      • elysianfield October 12, 2018 at 8:05 pm #

        ““And when daddy gets home he gets no rest.


  21. pequiste October 12, 2018 at 12:37 pm #

    Holy God! Another sign of impending Armageddon.

    Item reporting that the flagship store of legendary, upscale, retail department store, Lord and Tayor, being shuttered in New York City plus parent company Hudson’s Bay Co. of Canada (say hi, Elrond) negotiating to put Lord and Taylor brand at Walmart!


    Is nothing sacred?

    Apparently not, well other than money.

    • malthuss October 12, 2018 at 1:12 pm #

      Ronald Perelman is a consummate dealmaker who built a fortune with a diverse array of holdings, from candy to cosmetics.
      He earned a reputation in the 1980s as one of the era’s fiercest corporate raiders

  22. janet October 12, 2018 at 12:43 pm #

    Fines were eventually levied years after the fact. But virtually no one did so much as a day in jail. –exscotticus

    Yes, fines were levied. Huge fines. Jail time was also meted out by Obama and Holder. There are top executives who are sitting in jail for substantial sentences today.

    Edward Woodard, former CEO of the Bank of the Commonwealth in Norfolk, Virginia, was sentenced to 23 years after he was convicted of hiding $800 million in past due loans and making loans to straw borrowers to hide financial problems at his bank.

    There have been 59 bankers convicted of crimes, including two executives at NOVA Bank in Philadelphia who were convicted of fraud conspiracy related to TARP funds. An additional 19 bankers have been charged with crimes, with many awaiting trials.

    And just in case it occurs to you, Exscotticus, it’s wrong to say that bankers now in prison only came from small banks. Some banks had assets of as much as $10 billion and were very big players in the states where they were based. Bankers are in jail. You are spreading myths, Exscotticus.

    The idea that no bankers went to prison for crimes related to the financial crisis is a myth. There have been 35 bankers sentenced to prison. Saying Obama refused “to prosecute those associated with the collapse of the entire world financial system” is a lie.

    The idea that banks only have to pay slap-on-the-hand billion dollar fines is a lie. Bankers go to jail, too. Probably private sector jails. The longer the bankers are in their jails, the more money the private jails receive. A sentence of 23 years is not a symbolic slap on the hand.

    • Exscotticus October 12, 2018 at 12:55 pm #

      >>> The idea that banks only have to pay slap-on-the-hand billion dollar fines is a lie. Bankers go to jail, too.

      No they don’t. And sadly that hasn’t changed under Trump. Former Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf is a great example. Billions in fines doled out, but no one in the leadership C-Suite will do a day in jail.

    • JohnAZ October 12, 2018 at 12:56 pm #

      Janet, I hope you have watched the Big Short. The biggest fraud was the collusion between the big banks and the rating firms. The banks were putting the threatsvand their money to keep the rating firms from reporting the graft of loading up the later CDO’s with garbage mortgages. People were buying very high risk CDO’s thinking they were low risk! When the ARM’s ran out and people walked away from their homes, the house of cards collapsed.

      These high flyers were not prosecuted, and they caused the collapse. The individual bankers you mentioned were scapegoats. Wall Street moguls who caused the problem were not touched.

      TOO BIG TO FAIL, or be prosecuted. Excotticus is by and large correct.

  23. janet October 12, 2018 at 12:51 pm #

    With the world heating up as it purportedly is… –brh

    brh, global warming is real. What it means is more climate extremes: hotter summers, colder winters, larger hurricanes that are wetter “from the standpoint of water” as our stable genius brain president has informed us.

    Trump: Hurricane Wettest Ever From the Standpoint of Water

    • JohnAZ October 12, 2018 at 1:15 pm #

      Wind by itself is not near as destructive as wind borne water. When the wind I’d loaded say twenty percent with liquid spray it’s impact on any surface skyrockets. Same with tornadoes. Add on the debris picked up, the storm becomes a buzz saw, mowing down everything in its path.

      Noticed from the pictures of Mexico Beach that it looked like a huge tornado went through.

      Global warming is real, and will increase with time as the ice caps recede. We are in the early stages and yes, the earth can maintain a much warmer climate as evidenced by the Mesozoic Era. Just maybe not humans.

      The seeds of GW started with the steam engine, and accelerated with the gasoline engine. Akeem’s razor (sp) says the most simple answer is probably correct. Simple as: what has changed in the world?. Increased production of carbon dioxide and the destruction of sequestered carbon in the earth. Humans will not change their ways voluntarily, so only drastic emergencies will stop the increasing warmth.

      Like Peak Oil and the consequent Long Emergency

      • Exscotticus October 12, 2018 at 1:40 pm #

        >>> Akeem’s razor (sp) says the most simple answer is probably correct.

        I agree that GW is most likely anthropogenic in nature. Which is why liberal and neo-con solutions that emphasize even more growth are insane. If humans are the cause, then we need to decrease the world population—not impose a “carbon credit economy” and other such nonsense. And certainly not give the third world—the largest contributor to population growth—a license to continue polluting (the so-called Paris “agreement”).

      • Georges1202 October 12, 2018 at 1:48 pm #

        And just when the world needs inspired, informed and open-minded leadership, the US installs the worst blockhead in its illustrious history.

        You can’t begin to make this shit up.

        • Exscotticus October 12, 2018 at 2:06 pm #

          >>> inspired, informed and open-minded leadership

          Oh we had an intellectual philosopher poet President. His name was Obama. Eight years of his administration—far from mitigating AGW-related issues—exacerbated them.

          One of Obama’s first acts as Prez was to go back on his campaign promise and allow offshore drilling. Then the Gulf spill happened and he flipped yet again. So much for the inspired, informed and open-minded poet-President.

      • To most people, Hurricanes are just abstract- pictures, video. I’ve been in them. They are horrifying.

        AGW is increasing the near shore surface temperature of the ocean. Apparently this storm looked fairly moderate, but as it approached it hit landfall with a sustained increased energy.

        The damage this did, I think, is only dimly appreciated at this point.

        And somewhere in the Atlantic the next one is brewing.

        • michael October 12, 2018 at 2:11 pm #

          Do not build so close to shore.
          Do not build with particle board nailed together in a hurry with nail guns driving nails into open air.
          Do not build in a flood plain.

          Now what I cannot understand: after having seen such selfsame images on TV year after year why did you not learn anything?

          • Exscotticus October 12, 2018 at 9:37 pm #

            Why change a formula that works so well? When you live on or near the beach—life is good! Beautiful million-dollar views. Convenient access to the shore. And if anything goes wrong, the rest of America will bail you out…

      • elysianfield October 12, 2018 at 8:09 pm #


        Occam’s razor, a philosophical piece of fluff;

        Akeem’s razor, piece of fluff updated to the 21st Century…”God is Great!

  24. janet October 12, 2018 at 1:36 pm #

    “These high flyers were not prosecuted…” –JohnAZ

    Ex-Goldman director Rajat Gupta: two years in prison.

    Bernie Madoff: 150-year prison sentence

    Allen Stanford: 110 years in prison, he was at one time one of the richest men in America

    Jerome Kerviel: three years in prison and ordered to pay a $7 billion fine.

    Steven Goldberg: four years in prison

    Peter Grimm: three years in prison

    Dominick Carollo: three years in prison

    Raj Rajaratnam, the former head of Galleon Management: 11 years in prison

    Nick Leeson: four years in prison

    Garth Peterson, the former head of Morgan Stanley’s Chinese real-estate investments unit, nine months in prison

    Bradley Birkenfeld: 2 years in prison

    Dennis Levine: his career on Wall Street ended with his indictment for insider trading, making him one of the first of several high-profile insider trading defendants indicted and convicted by U. S. Attorney Rudy Giuliani.

    Michael Milken: indicted for racketeering and securities fraud in 1989 in an insider trading investigation, sentenced to ten years in prison, fined $600 million, and permanently barred from the securities industry by the Securities and Exchange Commission.

    Ivan Boesky: received a prison sentence of ?3 1?2 years and was fined US$100 million. Although he was released after two years, he was permanently prohibited from working with securities.

    Martin Siegel: two months imprisonment and five years probation with 3,000 hours of community service. The light sentence was because of his cooperation with other government investigations. He was also fined over US$9 million in civil penalties and forfeited $10 million more in bonuses and stock owed to him by Drexel — a sum many times greater than the illegal gains from his relationship with Boesky.

    Need I go on? Maybe you know of other “high flyers” you think should be in jail, like you think HRC should be in jail. Maybe you prefer the death penalty. That is not the point. That is not what Exscotticus said.

    Maybe the “high flyers” get shorter sentences than you think they should get, although Madoff with 150 years, and Stanford with a 110 year sentence, would argue with you.

    But to say no bankers or high flyers have gone to prison, as Exscotticus says, is not correct.

    • Exscotticus October 12, 2018 at 1:51 pm #

      >>> Need I go on? Maybe you know of other “high flyers” you think should be in jail

      Yes go on. How many were in the leadership C-Suites of the too-big-to-fail banks? Hmmm, janet? You think tossing us a few hedge fund managers and lower-echelon players proves your point? And notice that Jon Corzine is not even among them.

      I’ve given you a concrete example: former Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf. Just to refresh your memory, it took tremendous political pressure to get him to even resign!

    • michael October 12, 2018 at 1:52 pm #

      The common denominator of all these is that they were upstarts without class (new money as it were) or small fry.

      But what about ex Senator Corzine and his likes?

    • FincaInTheMountains October 12, 2018 at 1:52 pm #

      Hillary is not in prison despite she sabotaged the rescue of Lehman Brothers and caused the 2008 crash and millions of Americans losing their homes.

      • Georges1202 October 12, 2018 at 2:03 pm #

        Do you walk around believing shit like this?

        • FincaInTheMountains October 12, 2018 at 2:35 pm #

          She said it herself during one of the 2016 presidential debates.

          Of course she didn’t add that she killed the Lehman Brothers and triggered the crisis just for settling political score with financial institution that used to handle the bulk of financing of Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign.

    • Georges1202 October 12, 2018 at 1:56 pm #

      Oh, bullshit – those are mostly insider-trading beefs. What you would expect in that time-frame.

      How many from Goldman went to jail for shorting their own paper?

      I guess it helps to have a former CEO as Treasury Sec., huh?

      • capt spaulding October 12, 2018 at 8:15 pm #

        No one of any significance went to jail, which only goes to prove the power that the Oligarchs exert over the government. Hell, they didn’t even slow down the awarding of bonuses. That all happened under Obama, and was instrumental in making me realize the level of corruption that has taken over the government.

  25. michael October 12, 2018 at 1:47 pm #

    Pray to the Lord of Benefactions and Blessings so that this market decline runs a long way into a hefty recession. This will then take the price of oil and oil stocks down too and will be your last chance to get into what is a sure bet:
    when oil does become scarce and no alternative is at hand while oil companies have not made any investments (therefore reduced their costs) and are riding the wave of spiking oil prices as cash cows and dividend kings you will be positioned to benefit handsomely.

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    • FincaInTheMountains October 12, 2018 at 1:59 pm #

      Good Christian Michael praying to Lord that the country runs into a recession, millions lose their jobs so Michael could make a few bucks.

      • michael October 12, 2018 at 2:06 pm #

        Recessions are needed to clear out dead wood, trim off gangrenous limbs. It is needed for innovation to have room to grow.
        This is the process of creative destruction.
        You can see this in nature: fires. Suppress forest fires long enough and you will have very unhealthy forests.
        Everyone will benefit after a period of sacrifice when growth returns.

        • FincaInTheMountains October 12, 2018 at 2:18 pm #

          And if a few million die in the process, too bad, that’s all “Invisible Hand of the Market”.

        • Steeleje October 12, 2018 at 3:55 pm #

          Except there isn’t enough innovation that will put Humpty Dumpty back together again. Tech isn’t magically going to innovate us out of the coming horrors because tech relies on the very things that we will no longer have for it to work.

          If supermarket and fuel deliveries become permanently interrupted we are going to be left with a lot of dead wood on our hands and nowhere to clear it out to.

          I guess some people may get creative with their cuisine. I remember reading that people would use mummies for firewood -maybe we can find a way to dry out well enough all of the dead that will be littering the streets so they will burn – we will have to be innovative in order to keep warm during the colder winters that are on their way.

          • BornToKillPeace October 12, 2018 at 4:11 pm #

            “Tech isn’t magically going to innovate us out of the coming horrors”

            A little smart dust, some chemtrails, and the fire-up of the 5G “Beast” system. Turn it on’ – “toast” the unwilling human population in a massive die off as predicted in the Georgia Guidstones.

            I kind of foresee it being like the clip from Halloween III: Season of the Witch ((5/10) Movie CLIP – Test Room A (1982))

            I’m paranoid, til I’m not.

  26. Before:


    How much of this is going to be absorbed by the taxpayer?

    My favorite government agency, the GAO investigated. (The GAO reports to Congress, so they can *ahem* take action).


    • Exscotticus October 12, 2018 at 2:48 pm #

      It’s not the job of taxpayers to subsidize the lifestyles of beach-front leeches. Let’s buy up the real estate at the dirt-cheap price it now is and make it permanently off-limits to all future development. The leeches who have no insurance will at least get something for their loss, nature will thank us, access to beaches will increase for all, and taxpayers won’t have to go through this every year.

      Incidentally, this is also an ideal plan for Puerto Rico. Just buy up the entire island and turn it into a new Ellis Island for the 21st century. Relocate the Statue of Liberty there. All new immigrants/refugees get sent to the island until they’re processed (however many years it takes). Oh—I’ve even got a new name for the island: Gitmo Rico. We can make it a combined max security prison / immigration processing center.

    • JohnAZ October 12, 2018 at 4:50 pm #

      None of it, it will just be put on the debt.

  27. FincaInTheMountains October 12, 2018 at 2:13 pm #

    Global warming is real, and will increase with time as the ice caps recede == JohnAZ

    The Western scientific research is actively diverted into the realm of Useless.

    Probably, real research is being conducted, but in limited quantities, in isolated places and specifically for elite use.

    Such studies they do not advertise. The main mass of Western scientific thought is increasingly moving towards the illusory. Grants in the form of feeding and stimulants are generously scattered in strictly defined areas. Stormy streams of some gender studies, global warming and the like are created and maintained artificially.

    These flows, according to the plan of Western designers of the Future, should carry along the lines of thought of all world science. With the help of such a mechanism, entire areas are deleted from the sphere of scientific research. They become invisible.

    And mostly from the sphere of application they want to remove research aimed at solving the real problems of mankind.

    Well, for example, huge resources are spent on global warming research, but they don’t go to major land reclamation projects and not to breed resistant crops, but to large and small “scares”. And at the same time, the idea is being introduced into the heads of citizens and politicians that if they do not deal with a problem in the West, then it is not worth it!

    So, raising a lot of noise around empty problems, and drawing scientific thought into the flow of Useless, the science of the whole world is being tried to be transformed from productive power into a tax burden.

    • akmofo October 12, 2018 at 3:04 pm #

      Global warming was already real in 1951:

      So is reincarnation:

    • JohnAZ October 12, 2018 at 5:14 pm #

      In other words, science is wasting its time trying to politicize global warming? Science can do little about GW as it is cultural in origin and trying to get people to quit driving PU trucks and SUV’s, No way.

      If someone in ultimate charge could actually do something, the best bet would be to put a ceiling on the price of oil, forcing folks to adjust their consumption. A few years back, four dollar a gallon gas really started changing what cars were being purchased. The problem is though that reducing the gas consumption by half will not adequately solve the GW problem.

      In thirty years or so, Peak Oil hitting home will make it so that $4 gas will be the good old days. It will not be a kind World. All the urban cowboys will be a thing of the past.

      One thing that would help is to plant as many trees and other plants as fast as we can. Their sequestering of CO2 is the only reliable way.

      Something else to the GW Hawks to chew on, say we get enough done to affect the level of CO2, what happens if it overshoots into an ice age? Living in Phoenix, I prefer GW to Ice ages.

      Cars however are only a small part of the problem. For further detail, read The Long Emergency.

      • akmofo October 12, 2018 at 5:41 pm #

        Cars are a huge problem. Build subways and light rail trams instead of roads. That should be the number one priority in any city. Once these lines are complete, make the cities streets car free. JHK is absolutely right regards electric cars, it’s a lose-lose proposition.

        • michael October 12, 2018 at 6:02 pm #

          Remember the last-mile problem: was (and still is) impossible to get fiber to the home.
          This would seem to be a smaller problem than electrification for example, or building the interstate system.
          Yet here in the 21st century we are unable to do it.

          Thankfully we can get an internet connection through phone lines or cable, something the ancients installed.

          Given this bleak reality, do you really think a rebuild of cities along your lines is possible?

          • akmofo October 12, 2018 at 6:14 pm #

            If the fat ass American can’t do it, hire Chinese. But get it done.

          • capt spaulding October 12, 2018 at 8:21 pm #

            The Republicans say that we can cut carbon emissions by 50% if we just divide by 2.

  28. tucsonspur October 12, 2018 at 2:23 pm #

    Drop the hammer on West and all the other rappers except maybe Vanilla Ice. I said it yesterday. That while not the cause of America’s problems, rap is both a contributor to and a symptom of America’s decline.

    Most of it is the music of anger, rebellion, violence and vengeance. Here’s some of his best though:


    Young, ignorant, impressionable whites have taken it up for far too long. Sucked up into the black culture out of their own cultural vacuum.

    Ice, Ice, Baby vindicates Vanilla. So call me rayciss, like I give a flyin’ eff.

    • SoftStarLight October 12, 2018 at 2:36 pm #

      Lol, rap is really dumb after all :-P.

    • malthuss October 12, 2018 at 10:39 pm #

      30+ years of [c]RAP.

  29. SoftStarLight October 12, 2018 at 2:31 pm #

    Happy Friday!!! No matter what anybody says I still think President Trump is super dreamy and mesmerizing :-). Now it is a lovely day and it is Friday no less so we have something to be happy about do we not? In the end who cares if the elites lose out. They WILL lose anyway and then they will have to live just like us. So it’s a great day!

    • Georges1202 October 12, 2018 at 2:39 pm #

      I believe that’s what Oppenheimer said about the Trinity test in 1945. “Look at that motherfucker – it’s dreamy and mesmerizing”

      • SoftStarLight October 12, 2018 at 2:42 pm #

        OMG Georges you again. You need not be so jealous of our wonderful King. You know he thinks of you too even though you hate him so!

        • SoftStarLight October 12, 2018 at 2:43 pm #

          And we love him because he loves us. You know – us out here – way out in the middle of nowhere 🙂 and far away from the big corrupt cities.

          • Georges1202 October 12, 2018 at 2:52 pm #

            It is very touching to me that you love him. It will be the kind of love you give to an armadillo. And equally rewarding.

          • SoftStarLight October 12, 2018 at 2:54 pm #

            LOL – ok that was funny I have to give you that :-).

      • K-Dog October 12, 2018 at 2:53 pm #

        “In Hinduism, which has a non-linear concept of time, the great god is not only involved in the creation, but also the dissolution. In verse thirty-two, Krishna speaks the line brought to global attention by Oppenheimer.

        “The quotation ‘Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds‘, is literally the world-destroying time,” explains Thompson, adding that Oppenheimer’s Sanskrit teacher chose to translate “world-destroying time” as “death”, a common interpretation. Its meaning is simple: irrespective of what Arjuna does, everything is in the hands of the divine.

        But now the appropriate quotation is:

        “Now I am become fat, the builder of golf courses.”

        • K-Dog October 12, 2018 at 2:54 pm #

          My source.

        • Georges1202 October 12, 2018 at 2:54 pm #


          That’s a Cat 5 reply.

        • SoftStarLight October 12, 2018 at 3:00 pm #

          Nothing a little exercise won’t help. You know he is busy and may not have to exercise everyday. I am confused though because based on what I am reading it just sounds like he is fulfilling his role since he is both creation and destruction. So in that case we can still say it’s all good right?

        • BornToKillPeace October 12, 2018 at 4:23 pm #

          I wonder if Goddess Kali is a feminist?

    • FincaInTheMountains October 12, 2018 at 2:46 pm #

      they will have to live just like us

      Or die like us if they plan to unleash a nuclear Holocaust and wait out in their luxury bunkers in New Zealand.

      Putin already got the GPS of those bunkers in his targeting system. He said it himself – if SHTF, nobody will survive, NOBODY!!


      • SoftStarLight October 12, 2018 at 2:53 pm #

        Vlad is definitely a serious man. He won’t let anything happen to Russia. I hope we can be friends with Russia.

      • K-Dog October 12, 2018 at 2:57 pm #

        That would be an irresponsible decision and Putin is anything but that.

      • K-Dog October 12, 2018 at 3:01 pm #

        And having watched the interview previously I know New Zealand was not mentioned.

        I recall Putin said “no one will survive” but it has been a few months and my memory may be hazy.

        • JohnAZ October 12, 2018 at 5:20 pm #

          An article talking about the wealthy of California buying big time real estate in New Zealand was published last week. Their logic is that NZ is so far away from the action it will not be affected by the Endtimes

  30. SoftStarLight October 12, 2018 at 2:41 pm #

    Oh yeah, and who would have thought that Kanye West was a ventriloquist for “White Supremacy”. MSNBC is just such a treasure trove of great reporting ;-).

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  31. SoftStarLight October 12, 2018 at 2:50 pm #

    He may be your Devil but he is my Hero.

    • malthuss October 12, 2018 at 3:35 pm #

      The population has grown, so you can groan.
      From a billion to 7 billion.
      A billion more each 12 years, last I checked. the increase may have slowed down.

      • SoftStarLight October 12, 2018 at 5:24 pm #

        You are always a man of few words :-). It sounds like too many people to me. What do you think?

        • malthuss October 12, 2018 at 10:41 pm #

          Many here discuss solutions. They dont know the real rulers plan.
          I sense depopulation is that plan.

          Georgia Guidestones.
          People sterile from plastic. See you tube.

          • SoftStarLight October 12, 2018 at 10:58 pm #

            Ok now I know exactly what you mean! And I think you’re right.

  32. AKlein October 12, 2018 at 2:58 pm #

    Sooner or later the “jinn of last resort” will be summoned as our “leadership’s” response to imminent financial ruin, destructive social upheaval, and environmental unsustainability. Am I overly cynical? I certainly hope so.

  33. K-Dog October 12, 2018 at 3:20 pm #

    So today’s article,

    The theme seems to be that there is a national obsession with trivia and that because of this, just desserts are just around the corner. Like the band on the Titanic playing on or something like that, but not quite like that really.

    On the Titanic an area about the size of a house door was letting in water in and the passengers were doomed. There was no way around it, and the band played on. America too is doomed but there is a difference. A big difference. Our doom is by total choice. It would not have to be inevitable but certain individuals set things in motion so that it is.

    Yet the time of our demise is not tied to an edict of cosmic justice as JHK predicts. Or perhaps it is:

    Consider the death warrant of Georgia:

    The court shall specify the time period for the execution in the sentence. The time period for the execution fixed by the court shall be seven days in duration and shall commence at noon on a specified date and shall end at noon on a specified date. The time period shall commence not less than 20 days nor more than 60 days from the date of sentencing. A new time period for the execution -due to stay- fixed by the judge shall commence not less than ten nor more than 20 days from the date of the order.

    Plenty of wiggle room to do the deed at a random time in a specified time interval. Such wiggle room is in all death warrants.

    So the crash of the American economy will happen not less than 20 months from the start of the term of the great golden one and not more than 60 months from his first inauguration I’ll say.

    Nobody gets to know exactly when. That includes JHK.

    • “On the Titanic an area about the size of a house door was letting in water in and the passengers were doomed.”

      They could have held if only they had Chris Christie to to stuff in the breech

      • K-Dog October 12, 2018 at 3:41 pm #

        You wish, the gaps were long and thin where welded steel plates had been deformed. A human body or as you suggest, an inhuman one; would not have worked.

  34. K-Dog October 12, 2018 at 3:37 pm #

    Stephen Bullock liked to feed the men he killed breakfast or have them sample a good spirit before they met their doom. Trippy, his interest in Zen contributing his wackyness for sure. Trump has not done any of this. Perhaps there is still time.

    Can you please pass the coffee, these eggs are g-o-o-d!

  35. janet October 12, 2018 at 3:37 pm #

    “Yes go on.” –Exscotticus

    You are moving the goal posts, Exscotticus.

    First, on October 12, 2018 at 11:43 am, you said: “But virtually no one did so much as a day in jail.”

    So, I provided you with names of some of the 59 bankers and high flyers who are doing or have done time in jail.

    Now, you have moved the goal posts to: “no one in the leadership C-Suite will do a day in jail” … and members of that class are defined by you, of course.

    Jessep: You want answers?
    Kaffee: I want the truth!
    Jessep: You can’t handle the truth!

    The truth is dozens of bankers are in prison but you cannot handle that truth because it does not fit with your narrative.

    What you said originally that, “virtually NO ONE did so much as a day in jail” is not true.

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    • Exscotticus October 12, 2018 at 5:15 pm #

      >>> You are moving the goal posts, Exscotticus.

      You did not list dozens of banksters who went to jail for sinking the world economy; you gave me hedge fund managers and traders who went to jail for insider trading.

      Here are the major players in the Great Recession.

      Here are the sub-prime lenders…

      New Century Financial Corporation
      American Home Mortgage Investment Corporation
      Accredited Home Lenders
      Countrywide Financial
      Northern Rock (UK)
      Option One
      American Freedom Mortgage, Inc.
      NovaStar Financial
      American Equity Mortgage

      Here are the insurers…

      Mortgage Guaranty Insurance Corporation

      Here are the banks…

      Main article: List of bankrupt or acquired banks during the subprime mortgage crisis
      BNP Paribas,[1] France
      JPMorgan Chase, USA
      Citigroup, USA
      Deutsche Bank, Germany
      IKB Industriekredit-Bank, Germany
      Bear Stearns
      Sächsische Landesbank, Germany
      Goldman Sachs
      Lehman Brothers
      Bank of America
      Netbank, USA
      UBS AG, Switzerland
      Northern Rock, United Kingdom
      HBOS, United Kingdom
      Merrill Lynch .,[2] USA
      Washington Mutual Bank
      Dexia, Belgium
      Fortis, Benelux
      Royal Bank of Scotland Group, United Kingdom
      Lloyds Banking Group, United Kingdom
      Glitnir, Iceland
      Kaupthing Bank, Iceland
      Landsbanki, Iceland

      Here are the credit rating agencies…

      Standard & Poor’s
      Fitch Ratings

      Now, tell me which C-Suite leadership from these entities did a day in jail?

      • janet October 12, 2018 at 5:42 pm #

        Prosecutions of C-Suite Leaders

        COLONIAL BANCGROUP (once one of the 25 biggest depository banks in the U.S.)
        The case against Mr. Farkas, the former chairman of the mortgage firm Taylor, Bean & Whitaker, stands as the single-biggest prosecution stemming from the financial crisis. Prosecutors had asked for a sentence of as much as 385 years. A federal judge sentenced Lee B. Farkas, a former mortgage industry executive accused of masterminding one of the largest bank fraud schemes in history, to 30 years in prison.


        Despite once earning nearly $7 million a year as an executive at Credit Suisse, Serageldin, during the worst of the financial crisis, according to prosecutors, Serageldin had approved the concealment of hundreds of millions in losses in Credit Suisse’s mortgage-backed securities portfolio… the judge sentenced Serageldin to 30 months in jail.


        Gilbert G. Lundstrom, the former CEO of TierOne Bank, a $3 billion publicly-traded commercial bank, was sentenced by U.S. District Judge John M. Gerrard of the District of Nebraska, who also ordered Lundstrom to pay a $1.2 million fine.


        Wait, I don’t have to keep listing these C-suiters. Your contention is that not a single C-Suite leader did a day in jail. It only takes one to disprove your claim.

        • Exscotticus October 12, 2018 at 7:22 pm #

          >>> Your contention is that not a single C-Suite leader did a day in jail. It only takes one to disprove your claim.

          I said “virtually no one”.

          Farkas wasn’t C-Suite. He wasn’t the CEO, CFO, CIO, COO, etc. But I’ll give you full-credit for this one since he was an exec in the right place at the right time doing fraudy things.

          Kareem Serageldin wasn’t C-Suite. He wasn’t the CEO, CFO, CIO, COO, etc. But in 2014 the press called him “the only Wall St. executive prosecuted as a result of the financial crisis” so I’ll give you full-credit for this one, too.

          Gilbert G. Lundstrom was busted for trying to cover up the losses that resulted from the financial crisis. So he didn’t really help cause the crisis, did he? Still, I’m feeling magnanimous so I’ll give you half-credit for this one.

          So I will admit that TWO-AND-A-HALF peripheral collapse-related banksters did indeed due time. Just not any of the major players that actually caused the financial crisis—no one from the long list of institutions I mentioned.

  36. Tate October 12, 2018 at 3:53 pm #

    All this talk about this year’s hurricane season proving the concept of AGW is pretty silly when you think about it. It’s partly the result of the greater hysteria in charge of our public institutions since they have become increasingly infiltrated by the gynocracy. And partly the result of something for the Chicken Littles to have something to talk about, social media being a “business model” in these recent current years. In other words, it sells advertising. Now, that’s ironic, consumerist longings being the antithesis of concern for global atmospheric health.

    Then, in addition, there’s all these “climate scientists” who can’t possibly be wrong. Oh, can’t they? especially when the vast majority aren’t even scientists period, let alone specialists in climate. It seems everyone has conveniently forgotten the scandal of a few years back where some of these esteemed scientists falsified temperature data.

      • GreenAlba October 13, 2018 at 10:10 am #

        James Delingpole (along with his mate Viscount Monckton), is the moron’s moron.

        I saw him in an interview actually describe himself as ‘not an interpreter of climate science, but an interpreter of the interpreters of climate science.’

        He has a degree in English Language and Literature, but since it’s from Christ Church, Oxford, I guess he imagines he absorbed by osmosis all other disciplines studied there while walking round the Quads. Although I’d need confirmation that he knows what osmosis is.

      • Tate October 13, 2018 at 1:45 pm #


        What, can’t you cite your favorite rag of record? lol, have to stoop to Wikipedia. Sad.

    • sophia October 13, 2018 at 12:23 am #

      It frequently amazes me that the very people who seem so savvy about the general untrustworthiness of the media, the corruption of, well, everything, who know about following the money, yet in this one topic they buy the whole story sold to them by the same corrupt establishment.

      • GreenAlba October 13, 2018 at 10:18 am #

        There’s one thing I’m very savvy about. It’s my conclusion from years of observation that it’s easier, lazier, more dishonest and more narcissistic to write 48 words that tell nobody anything than it is to get stuck into a degree in physics, then a few further degrees in atmospheric physics and climate science, and do some actual work in the field, which would enable you to write to the authors of individual papers and explain to them where their methodology is wrong and try to put them on the right track.

        And if you can disprove the basic science, on the other hand, we can safely say you’re Nobel Prize material.

        • GreenAlba October 13, 2018 at 10:41 am #

          And another thing I’m savvy about is my conclusion that those who still deny the overwhelming scientific consensus have a vested interest, large (fossil fuel lobby) or small (lifestyle) in denial.

          As Bacon said, ‘Man prefers to believe what he would prefer to be true’.

          Now, I accept the consensus and I also wish it weren’t true. Try to spot the difference.

          • sophia October 13, 2018 at 9:11 pm #

            Green Alba,

            Yes, it would be great if I had a PhD in some science field, but really my comment was not directed at you and I would not expect you to understand it since you cannot entertain that you might be wrong. And it is an argument from authority to negate my philosophical musing as illegitimate.

            The warmists quite often try to pull the authority that only a climate scientist and no other can possibly understand the thing. But the problem becomes, if the lay public cannot follow the arguments at all then they have NO BUSINESS taking a side for if you can’t understand it then you are believing upon faith. After all, how can poor little you understand the science?

            There is a lot I cannot follow, mathematics and such, but actually it is quite possible for scientists of various stripes to make cases that are understandable for the interested.

            FYI, it is not my lifestyle. I am fairly poor, drive as little as possible, don’t own a dishwasher or air conditioning. I compost and recycle. My carbon footprint is enviably low.

            To say I am engaging in wishful thinking is a bit insulting. There are lots of very scary issues that I (try not to) worry about a lot. If this were one of them I could add it to my list.

            It’s just that I’ve spent some time listening to the detractors and I find that they have much of interest to say.

            There is no consensus; it wouldn’t matter if there were. Adherents often, while pretending that lay people don’t deserve their opinions because they aren’t climate scientists but they themselves do deserve to have an opinion because, well, the ones they believe in are right! claim that it is ‘basic science.’ Well, my opinion is that the earth’s systems are utterly complex, much like the inner workings of the cell are complex. We’ve been delving into that for 150 years and the rabbit hole just gets deeper. People may have talked ‘basic science’ of the cell when they thought it was little more than protoplasm. Ain’t no ‘basic’ science.
            Climatology is a young science and it is a life science like biology. We have only just begun to delve into it. And just like biology, in the coming decades they will uncover more and more items that gee, we didn’t expect.

          • GreenAlba October 14, 2018 at 8:17 am #


            There is absolutely no shortage of information written on the subject by scientists for lay people.

            And the most important thing in your post is this one:

            “There is no consensus”

            Which is utterly dishonest.

            The fact that there is an overwhelming scientific consensus doesn’t mean that anyone imagines they could know what the temperature is going to be each April in brh’s garden.

            And, your footprint notwithstanding, the money paying for the disinformation has come from the fossil fuel lobby and *most* people who do not wish either to accept the science or back any meaningful efforts to slow down the processes we have unleashed, do so because they really don’t want to face what it means.

            It’s not personal, sophia, we just don’t have the luxury of endless pointless discussion on matters on which there is an overwhelming scientific consensus. There are several people on this board who would not accept the consensus no matter what evidence were presented to them. That is what distinguishes a denier from a sceptic.

          • GreenAlba October 14, 2018 at 8:18 am #

            And it has nothing whatever to do with *me* being wrong. Nothing whatsoever.

          • GreenAlba October 14, 2018 at 8:51 am #

            “We have only just begun to delve into it. ”

            No we haven’t.

          • sophia October 14, 2018 at 6:52 pm #

            Green Alba,

            The consensus is nonsense, manufactured from the flimsiest of efforts. In fact, many very high quality scientists do disagree. And most of the ones who do are independent, retired or at least have tenure. A young scientist starting out cannot have a career if they don’t toe the line.

            But even if there were a consensus, that doesn’t mean much, as the mass of scientists are often wrong, and always go through the same tiresome maneuvers to avoid looking clearly at something new. It only takes one person who is right to upend and number in a consensus, and in fact science often proceeds this way.

            See, lots of scientists agree with you, but when you pull the consensus thing, it is an argument from authority and it does not address the issues.

            I read, and I happen to think that the main body of scientists are wrong about big bang and black holes, for example. It’s a far less emotional topic, but similar tiresome maneuvers are done to avoid addressing the massive and growing number of fixes and patches to this false theory.

            You are also ascribing emotional causes to recalcitrant people who do not believe AGW. That is an assumption that no doubt seems reasonable to you since the possibility that this is a wrong theory absolutely cannot be, therefore people must have some emotional cause to their stubbornness. But it does mean that you are locked in to a belief that you cannot examine. I don’t know about people who wouldn’t accept any level of evidence, but if they got good evidence, I would hope they would accept it, regardless of any consensus. I am not particularly interested in consensus. Sometimes they are right and sometimes they are wrong.
            But there is a personality issue. Most people cannot go against what they perceive as the majority thought or the authority thought. I’m not built that way.

          • sophia October 14, 2018 at 6:55 pm #

            Oh and another thing. It just isn’t true that anyone who doesn’t buy the consensus is paid by big oil.
            But if we want to follow the money, for heaven’s sake big oil’s money is a drop in the bucket compared the the deep pockets of several world governments and academic grants.
            Again, you keep talking about who’s who. It doesn’t matter. Only arguments matter.

          • GreenAlba October 15, 2018 at 5:56 am #

            “The consensus is nonsense, manufactured from the flimsiest of efforts. In fact, many very high quality scientists do disagree.”

            With a little effort I could get you the very, very, very long list of scientific institutes across the world who accept the scientific consensus – accept not like sheep but like fellow working scientists. In fact it’s pretty much all of them. And I’m sure you could get me the list of many very high-quality scientists (with absolutely no compromising connections) who disagree. It’s late for this post, so maybe we could do that another time.

            Black holes and the big bang are esoteric theoretical physics. They’re not going to wipe out our coastal regions. I waste very little time thinking about them since it would be utterly pointless.

            “I don’t know about people who wouldn’t accept any level of evidence, but if they got good evidence, I would hope they would accept it, regardless of any consensus. I am not particularly interested in consensus. Sometimes they are right and sometimes they are wrong.”

            I’d agree with you if it were about an opinion, but it’s about evidence. So consensus matters. I’d say we all pretty much agree, even if we haven’t done it, that if we jump off a tall building we’ll be jam – a consensus, based on evidence.

            “But there is a personality issue. Most people cannot go against what they perceive as the majority thought or the authority thought. I’m not built that way.”

            This is a variation of the ‘I’m a maverick and you’re a sheep’ argument, which is the opposite of an argument from authority but more arrogant and insulting. And less valid because many authorities do actually know more than non-authorities. It doesn’t help anything. But you’re right that it’s about personality.

            I’m not built that way either. There are many aspects of life where I don’t go along with the majority. And if the majority insists on believing that evidence doesn’t matter, I’ll continue to reject the majority view.

            “The consensus is nonsense, manufactured from the flimsiest of efforts.”

            I’m just repeating that bit in the hope that you will provide acceptable evidence for it another time. Because just saying it isn’t enough. Although you wouldn’t think so from the number of people who just say it.

          • GreenAlba October 15, 2018 at 9:31 am #


      • Tate October 13, 2018 at 2:23 pm #

        This blog tends to attract the Chicken Little element, Sophia, as I’m sure you’re aware. Various flavors of Gloom-and-Doomer, mostly pulled from the geriatric set (which may have something to do with it). Each has his/her own particular hobbyhorse. The more egomaniacal imagine that humanity will cause a major extinction event, lol, probably a measure of their perceived self-importance. That’s where AGW comes in. Naturally, it’s partaking of a religious fervor, this belief system can admit of no heresies or doubts.

        Some even have it nailed down to the exact amount of temperature & sea-level rise they expect. Someone here recently claimed it was going to be an average rise of 7 degree centigrade by the year 2100! Wow. I freely admit I don’t know much about this issue because I don’t think it’s something I can do much about, but even I know that a 7 degrees centigrade increase is at the extreme hysteria bat-shit upper limit of predictions.

        • GreenAlba October 13, 2018 at 2:55 pm #


          I hope you have time to read this after you’ve read through the 146 references at the end of the Wiki article you decried. Hopefully you realise that the articles are summaries. You are presumably also aware that you can update them if you think you have better information.

          Now, let’s start with your first lie:

          “Someone here recently claimed it was going to be an average rise of 7 degree centigrade by the year 2100! “

          Who said that exactly? Seriously, who? It’s just as well you added an exclamation mark to indicate the level of your fuckwittery.

          I recall recommending Mark Lynas’ book ‘Six Degrees’ (2005), which spends a chapter on the likely results of each degree of warming, up to six degrees, as the title suggests. Nowhere in that book does he suggest this could possibly happen by 2100, even with runaway warming.

          Now, let’s see who might have mentioned seven degrees recently… Ah, yes, it was a Trump admin. To be precise, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA).


          And they didn’t say seven degrees centigrade, they said seven degrees Fahrenheit, which is about four degrees centigrade.

          Your attention to detail and your wilful disinformation efforts shock me, Tate, but they don’t surprise me. I would refer you to K-Dog’s post yesterday at 2.25pm, with which I heartily concur.

          But I note you stuck in your disinformation down here and not under that post. Afraid of being bitten?

          Indeed, deniers are liars and you are one of the worst.

        • GreenAlba October 13, 2018 at 3:14 pm #

          “I freely admit I don’t know much about this issue because I don’t think it’s something I can do much about…”

          You don’t know much about this issue BECAUSE you don’t think it’s something you can do much about?

          That’s the weirdest reasoning I’ve seen in a while, but I’m glad you’ve at least admitted your entirely voluntary ignorance.

        • Tate October 13, 2018 at 4:01 pm #

          Your personal attacks on me don’t deserve a serious response.

          • GreenAlba October 13, 2018 at 4:35 pm #

            Neat try, Mr Disingenuous. If you call someone out on lying when they’re lying, that’s not a personal attack.

            But you can have the Snowflake of the Year Award if you’d like it.

        • sophia October 13, 2018 at 9:17 pm #


          Hmm, you think strong belief in AGW is a geriatric tendency?

          • Tate October 14, 2018 at 1:41 am #

            Not AGW per se, but rather belief in some impending disaster about to befall humanity. It’s a projection of one’s own approaching demise, says the armchair psychologist. Is it more prevalent among geriatrics than among the general population? Well, your simple question is causing me to rethink that.

          • GreenAlba October 14, 2018 at 8:24 am #


            There are entire books on the psychology of climate change, i.e. the effects on our thinking, what makes which kind of people believe what, which kinds of risks make more or less impact on our psyche, etc.

            Here’s one:


            It’s just the first one that came up – I’m not endorsing it.

            I’m not having a go at you in any way, just saying there is information out there (articles to be found on the internet too, with open access) discussing which kinds of people tend (only tend) to accept of not accept the scientific consensus.

            Here’s one – again, it’s just the first one that came up – I have no vested interest in its content.


          • GreenAlba October 14, 2018 at 8:33 am #

            Actually, sophia, it’s overwhelmingly younger people who accept the scientific consensus and want to see mitigating action more than older people.


            Tate’s misunderstanding is based on his more fundamental confusion of science with wishful thinking – hence he introduces the entirely irrelevant issue of projection regarding one’s own demise. It’s an understandable mistake if people insist on approaching everything from the way *they* feel about it. False consensus effect does the rest.


            It’s important that we educate ourselves on these matters – the psychology of denial, I mean, and understand what makes us resistant to which ideas. As JohnAZ pointed out, this is now a cultural problem – I’d amend that and say ‘cultural and psychological’, which is merely two facets of the same thing.

          • GreenAlba October 14, 2018 at 8:44 am #


            One last thing…

            “Hmm, you think strong belief in AGW is a geriatric tendency?”

            The very fact that you asked that as if it were an opinion, and that Tate answered it as if it were an opinion, underlies the problem we have.

            The actual information exists, as to the demographics of acceptance or not of the scientific consensus. It is a matter of fact, not conjecture.

          • Tate October 14, 2018 at 12:37 pm #

            Wow, sophia, she jumped on that like a duck on a June bug. See what I mean by “the more egomaniacal”… “with their perceived self-importance”… & “each with their own particular hobbyhorse,” [i.e., agenda]. Well, you cannot so much as gently mock or question this one issue in these comments without that one launching a full-scale attack.

            I have no idea if AGW is a real phenomenon but I know I can’t do anything much beyond what I already do, so I don’t bother educating myself beyond what the average reader would. What will be will be. Sometimes I forget however that the GreenBlob is forever lurking, waiting to pounce on any stray opinion or unfortunate thought-criminal’s random musings.

            Lol, do you think there are or were 3,000 “concerned climate scientists” in the world (at the time they signed that petition)? There may be more now but I doubt there were more than a few dozen experts in climatology at the time. The ones who scream the loudest are actually the ones who know the least. So that cohort was amply bolstered by hundreds of others who only in the most generous of terms could be considered such.

          • GreenAlba October 14, 2018 at 12:47 pm #

            More of what I expect from you, Tate, and never any useful factual information. Your ego is not my problem.

          • sophia October 14, 2018 at 7:03 pm #

            Green Alba,

            The first of your links was just an outline. I have looked a bit at the second one, and all I can say is first they have a very strong bias to be conducting any kind of study, and secondly, I feel sure their claims are about 180 degrees off. It is not those who are authoritarian in nature or who endorse the status quo who are deniers. Climate change IS the status quo. It is the accepted position in most public media and all universities.

            But I don’t disagree that personality plays a role, as I wrote above before seeing your next post.

            So, I think those who deny climate change are often people who are more able to tolerate independence of thought.

          • GreenAlba October 15, 2018 at 5:59 am #

            “So, I think those who deny climate change are often people who are more able to tolerate independence of thought.”

            Of course you do 🙂 . See my post above…

  37. janet October 12, 2018 at 3:54 pm #

    How many from Goldman went to jail for shorting their own paper? I guess it helps to have a former CEO as Treasury Sec., huh? –georges1202

    The former director of Goldman Sachs was convicted in 2012 for insider trading after turning himself in to the FBI. He was subsequently sentenced to two years in prison.

    Sergey Aleynikov, formerly of Goldman Sachs, was sentenced to 97 months (8 years) in prison.

    In 2010 Obama appointed an attorney general, Loretta Lynch, who set out new guidelines designed to ensure that more executives, bankers and other businesspeople were held personally accountable for their actions. And not just bankers. Lynch’s office also indicted Congressman Michael Grimm (R-New York) for fraud. Grimm plead guilty to keeping two sets of books and paying in cash, both irregularities common in tax evasion cases.

    • Georges1202 October 12, 2018 at 4:13 pm #

      Banksman Obama held a meeting of most of the major banking criminals at the White House in early 2009.

      “Don’t worry, I have your backs”

      Again, ignoring the typical insider-trading malfeasance, the responsible crooks who engineered the Great Recession went off scot-free.

      • tucsonspur October 12, 2018 at 4:32 pm #

        Right on, G. All that other blather is not intrinsic to the crash of 2008.

    • Exscotticus October 12, 2018 at 7:26 pm #

      Sergey Aleynikov was a “a former Goldman Sachs computer programmer” busted for insider trading. He had nothing to do with the financial crisis that led to the Great Recession.

  38. tucsonspur October 12, 2018 at 4:10 pm #

    ” a dead cat onto Wall Street’s luge run..” Wonderful, Jim. Maybe we’ll be okay if the sled doesn’t fly off, but just leaves a gory mess all over the run. The ice. Nine lives of the cat. Now I see it. Ice Nine is coming.

  39. janet October 12, 2018 at 4:20 pm #

    It seems everyone has conveniently forgotten the scandal of a few years back where some of these esteemed scientists falsified temperature data. –Tate

    Umm, I have not forgotten the oil industry’s attempts to muddy the debate by falsely claiming one (out of thousands) climate science study falsified data.

    I have not forgotten when a tabloid used testimony from a single scientist to paint an excruciatingly technical matter as a worldwide conspiracy saying falsely that NOAA scientists manipulated climate change data.

    I have not forgotten when a congressionally mandated study (November 2017) reported that there is no “convincing alternative explanation” for recent warming besides human activity. The Trump White House released the report though it contradicted Trump’s own position on climate change. The White House is a bit chaotic itself.

    I have not forgotten the false claim that hundreds of papers published in 2017 ‘prove’ that global warming is a myth? The article regurgitated false information from a blogger who rejects mainstream climate science. Hardly credible, like the claim that a “peer-reviewed study” proved all recent global warming data is fabricated by climatologists
    based on a blog post, which even if you like it and it is presented in downloadable PDF form, is not a peer-reviewed study.

    There have been dozens of these claims about AGW that have appeared in opinion pieces or blog posts or corporate oil-industry funded propaganda. Their claims are not science and do not disprove the AGW findings of 97% of climate scientists. 97% is consensus. The 3% are in error. That’s the way science rolls.

    • JohnAZ October 12, 2018 at 5:43 pm #

      I am with Janet on this one. CO2 and methane bonds are resonant with infrared radiation, i.e. Heat. They store heat!

      We cannot keep injecting CO2 into the atmosphere with no consequences. We know the oceans near the equator are warming. Ladies and gents, entropy says that heat has to go somewhere.. Resonant air molecules stop the radiant escape into space. Somthe heat is going towards the poles through sea currents and air flow, i.e. Wind energy. In math terms, increasing temperature gradients from the equator to the poles increases the fluxi i.e. Wind. Due to the Coriolis effect the movement is not uniform, but in layers. Look at a picture of Jupiter. Air moves in circles, aggravated friction occurs between the layers and voila, storms. Increased gradient, increased storm intensity. The good news is the Earth is trying its darndest to blow off the additional retained heat. The bad news is that the air conditioners are disappearing! And the North will be first due to the geography differences between the poles.

      Bottom line, more storms to move heat north and south, more heat movement in the oceans causing bigger hurricanes, a slow warming trend, and a future step function change when each of the poles lose their ice. And it is already too late to do anything about it.

      Hold onto your britches, wild times are just beginning.

      • elysianfield October 13, 2018 at 12:07 pm #

        “it is already too late to do anything about it.

        Hold onto your britches, wild times are just beginning.

        I agree with your opinion…this will occur whether we have a carbon tax or not…whether we stop driving SUV’s or not…whether the Alba’s of the world deny themselves a bit of happiness or not.

        • GreenAlba October 13, 2018 at 1:18 pm #


          Please note I’m not virtue signalling here, but I’m reminded of a sentence of Bill Bryson’s in (I think) ‘Notes from a Small Island’, while commenting on some minor activity that the British tend to enjoy.

          He said that the Brits (it’s possibly generational too) have a capacity for what he called ‘low-level ecstasy’, which seems denied to many Americans. The book was intended to be both insightful and humorous, so we can take it that the term itself was meant to be funny rather than entirely literal.

          But he had a point. Those who can take pleasure in the smaller things of life and aren’t always in need of bigger, better, more frequent and further away are probably generally happier – and most certainly do less damage.

          I do not sit fretting resentfully that I don’t own a car – I could buy one tomorrow without borrowing a penny and join in the tedious ritual of finding somewhere to park the ruddy thing ever time I came home. Car ownership, in a city like mine, is pretty much a silly and lazy habit for many people – it is not a necessity as it currently is living in the country or in your type of suburbs, especially, which seem to lack trains or decent bus services.

          I lack nothing that matters. The marketing industry has, after all these decades, permeated my ‘soul’ less than a simple upbringing and a relatively frugal life. My parents lived through being bombed by the Luftwaffe and eating revolting dried egg – my mother talked about the egg (and the Luftwaffe) for years.

          I can still remember that and enjoy my delicious poached duck egg (from the corner shop) on toast for breakfast. ‘Low-level ecstasy…’ yum 🙂

          And I’m more than grateful to David Attenborough for going around the world showing us its incredible beauty without us all having to go where he has and destroying it in the process. A good use of CO2 emissions, in my view.

          And I have travelled – just not as frequently as some people but way, way more than those will suffer first and most from the effects of our travelling, who wouldn’t know what a holiday was if it slapped them around the jowls.

          If everyone around you was shoplifting with impunity, would you join in just because ‘everybody’ was doing it? No, me neither.

          • elysianfield October 13, 2018 at 7:14 pm #

            Yes, I agree that you are not virtue signaling…but life is short and brutal….

          • GreenAlba October 14, 2018 at 9:58 am #


            I agree that is short and at least potentially brutal. And my take on that is that we should do our best to make it not any worse than it need be, for as many of our fellow sufferers as possible.

            Only I haven’t suffered anything worthy of the name, apart from a few personal disappointments and a bank account that toggled between black and red for a couple of decades, so I feel lucky too. And not inclined to take too much more than I need, although I already take more.

            Me and my tissue-thin bonhomie, eh… 🙂 We are all shaped by our circumstances to some extent…

      • Tate October 13, 2018 at 2:30 pm #

        “Heat. They store heat!” ROFL.

        But that’s a good thing when the full effects of the ice age that we are currently in, return.

      • Exscotticus October 13, 2018 at 6:26 pm #

        Unfortunately, liberals like janet encourage growth at every opportunity. The third world is responsible for 97% of population growth. They have children regardless of their ability to feed themselves—let alone their children. Liberals like janet—far from holding anyone accountable for breeding on the public’s dime—would have us all become economic slaves and sacrifice our own families to support these parasites. Every third-world “refugee” who arrives at our border destitute and with children in tow that we let in encourages more of the same.

  40. tucsonspur October 12, 2018 at 4:26 pm #

    CNN got it right this time:


    How many times will West be defended by people saying that, “he thinks for himself”? Even an idiot can think for himself. Yeah, that’s right homes, but just not too clearly.

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    • janet October 12, 2018 at 4:59 pm #

      “Even an idiot can think for himself.” –tucsonspur

      Given the etymology of the word idiot, I would say idiots only think in their own private world.

      The word “idiot” comes from the Greek ???????, idi?t?s ‘a private person, individual’, (as opposed to an official), ‘a common man’, ‘a person lacking professional skill, layman’

      Got that? Laymen are idiots by definition, as opposed to an elite, an official, or someone with expertise.

      volodya despises experts, cafe layabouts, pointy-headed intellectuals, especially liberals and leftists. volodya celebrates the “common man”…. volodya praises idiots.

      • Georges1202 October 12, 2018 at 5:26 pm #

        Wrong again…

        Idiot was/is an IQ level

        — slightly above Moron
        — degrees better than Imbecile
        — a quantum leap below Dull Normal

        … or something like that.

        • janet October 12, 2018 at 6:08 pm #

          georges1202, I was doing some original thinking based on the etymology of the word, its original meaning… not on how the word was used later in some outdated idiot psychological scheme to classify intelligence.

          Idiot, from the Greek idios (“private” or “one’s own”), is older than the words moron or imbecile. Idiot has been in continual use since the 14th century.

          Over the years idiot has taken on a number of meanings, ranging from “an ignorant or unschooled person” to “jester, professional fool” to “Stimpy.” And since at least the 17th century the word has been used in theater in a colloquial insulting sense similar to how it is often heard today. When used as an insult the insulter is showing their ignorance of the word’s etymology.

  41. Bro Jobe October 12, 2018 at 5:35 pm #

    JHK is correct, but his timing is off. There’s no where else for a lot of investment money to go these days. The big mutual funds are not going to panic-sell. The market went right back up today, didn’t it?

    That does not mean that “money” isn’t what JHK calls “notional” or that the Market won’t melt down eventually and stay down.

    But the dog has more room to run.

    The Big Crash we all fret about will come out of some Black Swan event like a cyberattack or hot war in the South China Sea. Perhaps the dollar will one day no longer be the world’s default currency, or we’ll have hyperinflation in the the USA.

    Then we’ll see that our global economic system is based on gambling and illusions.

    • JohnAZ October 12, 2018 at 5:46 pm #

      Interest rates went down, oil went up, and the market recovered more than 250 points today. Just another day in Wall Street la-la land.

      • janet October 12, 2018 at 6:10 pm #

        And come Monday, USA will be Shangrilá!

    • FincaInTheMountains October 12, 2018 at 5:50 pm #

      Perhaps the dollar will one day no longer be the world’s default currency, or we’ll have hyperinflation in the the USA.

      The performance of American National economy should not depend on dollar being a reserved currency, and it is even hurt by that.

      United States have all prerequisites to remain the world’s economic leader without ability to print the world money.

      • elysianfield October 13, 2018 at 12:18 pm #

        “United States have all prerequisites to remain the world’s economic leader without ability to print the world money.”

        Komraden Finc!

        Gresham’s law…ski indicates otherwise. The linchpin of the Dollar’s hegemony is it is required in the Oil trades and balance of trade payments.

        Once the House of Saud breaks with the US and the USMC, the end of that hegemony will quickly come, and, if the dollar then floats with other currencies, vast forests, mineral wealth, and oil will not stand for much more than it currently does with the country formerly known as the Soviet Union.

        We can never repatriate the trillions of dollars outside the US without Venezuela-like inflation.

  42. FincaInTheMountains October 12, 2018 at 5:41 pm #

    In other words, science is wasting its time trying to politicize global warming? == JohnAZ

    There is a definitive change in global weather conditions – some places becoming harsher, some places more favorable.

    What the “modern science” is doing is primitivizing it to extreme, blaming everything on CO2, and as a solution pushing energy net-negative generation – not sustainable! – solar panels and wind turbines and taxing the “carbon-emitting” industries with so-called “carbon credits”, instead of working on more concrete things: irrigation projects, land reclamation, breeding new crops appropriate for the new weather conditions and so on.

    They are substituting real scientific work with political propaganda, while making money for carbon-credit traders.

    • JohnAZ October 12, 2018 at 6:00 pm #


      We will soon see how adaptable Man really is.

      Carbon credits are political bullshit. No one is going to give up its piece of the carbon pie until they are forced by events.

      CO2 is a large piece of the problem but so is cutting down the rainforests. Remember the carbon cycle , CO2 to O2 in plants, and reverse in animals.

      Spending twenty years yelling at each other who is doing what about increasing levels of combustion will do nothing. Forget Paris, a political non solution to a non political problem. Plant plant plant. All construction must put back as many plants as it destroys. Convert downtowns to green spaces, plant on the sides and tops of buildings. Tear up unused concrete and asphalt and plant. Convert to nuclear like France. Use wind and solar where feasible. Increase the electrical grid to accommodate electrical solutions to combustion, esp. cars. And be cautious, overshooting will put us into an ice age.

  43. Janos Skorenzy October 12, 2018 at 5:58 pm #

    Amren, Oct 9. Google: The Good Censor

    JS: They’re moving us away from the utopian American tradition of free speech and towards a “European” system that values Dignity and Civility over the Liberty and Truth.

    An internal company briefing produced by Google and leaked exclusively to Breitbart News argues that due to a variety of factors, including the election of President Trump, the “American tradition” of free speech on the internet is no longer viable.


    But the 85-page briefing, titled “The Good Censor,” admits that Google and other tech platforms now “control the majority of online conversations” and have undertaken a “shift towards censorship” in response to unwelcome political events around the world.

    Examples cited in the document include the 2016 election and the rise of Alternative for Deutschland (AfD) in Germany.


    The briefing labels the ideal of unfettered free speech on the internet a “utopian narrative” that has been “undermined” by recent global events as well as “bad behavior” on the part of users. It can be read in full here.


    The briefing argues that Google, Facebook, YouTube and Twitter are caught between two incompatible positions, the “unmediated marketplace of ideas” vs. “well-ordered spaces for safety and civility.”

    The first approach is described as a product of the “American tradition” which “prioritizes free speech for democracy, not civility.” The second is described as a product of the “European tradition,” which “favors dignity over liberty and civility over freedom.” The briefing claims that all tech platforms are now moving toward the European tradition.

    The briefing associates Google’s new role as the guarantor of “civility” with the categories of “editor” and “publisher.” This is significant, given that Google, YouTube, and other tech giants publicly claim they are not publishers but rather neutral platforms — a categorization that grants them special legal immunities under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. Elsewhere in the document, Google admits that Section 230 was designed to ensure they can remain neutral platforms for free expression.

    Trump, Conspiracy Theorist

    One of the reasons Google identifies for allegedly widespread public disillusionment with internet free speech is that it “breeds conspiracy theories.” The example Google uses? A 2016 tweet from then-candidate Donald Trump, alleging that Google search suppressed negative results about Hillary Clinton.

    At the time, Google said that it suppressed negative autocomplete suggestions about everybody, not just Clinton. But it was comparatively easy to find such autocomplete results when searching for Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump. {snip}


    From Suggestions to Company Policy

    It is unclear for whom the “Good Censor” was intended. What is clear, however, is that Google spent (or paid someone to spend) significant time and effort to produce it.


    What is also clear is that many of the briefing’s recommendations are now reflected in the policy of Google and its sibling companies.

    For example, the briefing argues that tech companies will have to censor their platforms if they want to “expand globally.” Google is now constructing a censored search engine to gain access to the Chinese market.


    Key points in the briefing can be found at the following page numbers:
    •P2 – The briefing states that “users are asking if the openness of the internet should be celebrated after all” and that “free speech has become a social, economic, and political weapon.”
    •P12 – The briefing says the early free-speech ideals of the internet were “utopian.”
    •P15 – Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act is linked to Google’s position as a platform for free expression. Elsewhere in the document (p68), Google and other platforms’ move towards moderation and censorship is associated with the role of “publisher” – which would not be subject to Section 230’s legal protections.
    •PP19-21 – The briefing identifies several factors that allegedly eroded faith in free speech. The election of Donald Trump and alleged Russian involvement is identified as one such factor. The rise of the populist Alternative fur Deutschland (Alternative for Germany) party in Germany – which the briefing falsely smears as “alt-right” – is another.
    •PP26-34 – The briefing explains how “users behaving badly” undermines free speech on the internet and allows “crummy politicians to expand their influence.” The briefing bemoans that “racists, misogynists, and oppressors” are allowed a voice alongside “revolutionaries, whistleblowers, and campaigners.” {snip}
    •P45 – After warning about the rise of online hate speech, the briefing approvingly cites Sarah Jeong, infamous for her hate speech against white males {snip}
    •P45 – The briefing bemoans the fact that the internet has until recently been a level playing field, warning that “rational debate is damaged when authoritative voices and ‘have a go’ commentators receive equal weighting.”
    •P49 – The document accuses President Trump of spreading the “conspiracy theory” that Google autocomplete suggestions unfairly favored Hillary Clinton in 2016. (Trump’s suspicions were actually correct – independent research has shown that Google did favor Clinton in 2016).
    •P53 – Free speech platform Gab is identified as a major destination for users who are dissatisfied with censorship on other platforms.
    •P54 – After warning about “harassment” earlier in the document, the briefing approvingly describes a 27,000-strong left-wing social media campaign as a “digital flash mob” engaged in “friendly counter-commenting.”
    •P63 – The briefing admits that when Google, GoDaddy and CloudFlare simultaneously withdrew service from website The Daily Stormer, they were “effectively booting it off the internet,” a point also made by the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the FCC in their subsequent warnings about online censorship.
    •P70 – The briefing sums up the reasons for big tech’s “shift towards censorship,” including the need to respond to regulatory demands and “expand globally,” to “monetize content through its organization,” and to “protect advertisers from controversial content, [and] increase revenues.”
    •P74-76 – The briefing warns that concerns about censorship from major tech platforms have spread beyond the right-wing media into the mainstream.

    JS: Freedom encourages “Conspiracy Theories”? Like the idea that Google is strangling free speech? They just admitted it in so many words. Great thanks to the hidden Patriot who leaked this.

    • SoftStarLight October 12, 2018 at 6:38 pm #

      I am surprised this story is not getting a lot more attention. The big tech companies are monopolies so they should be broken up. They were created here in America so they should serve America first and not anybody else if they don’t want to play by our rules. Breitbart was reporting earlier that Facebook purged 800 or so political pages like in the last day.

      • Tate October 12, 2018 at 7:51 pm #

        They can’t claim section 230 immunity & then go on to censor content. They are either publishers or they are public forums. It’s one or the other. If they are publishers, they are legally liable for everything that appears on their platforms.

        • SoftStarLight October 12, 2018 at 8:02 pm #

          So does this mean that the courts will have to weigh in on their status first? I mean like publishers vs. forums.

          • Tate October 12, 2018 at 8:42 pm #

            They are arrant knaves so probably so.

          • SoftStarLight October 12, 2018 at 9:01 pm #

            Lol I had to get the dictionary on that – so basically they are complete liars.

      • Exscotticus October 12, 2018 at 8:25 pm #

        >>> I am surprised this story is not getting a lot more attention.

        I’m not. Given that the MSM is owned by six corporations, why would they be interested in focussing on monopolies?! They’ll stick to what they do best: Trump-bashing and fake news.

        • SoftStarLight October 12, 2018 at 9:03 pm #

          So maybe Congress has to do something?

          • sophia October 13, 2018 at 12:32 am #

            For sure, but will they.

    • elysianfield October 13, 2018 at 12:24 pm #

      Did not Google promise to do no evil?

  44. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbMHqBnnBL4

    More aerial footage of widespread destruction.

    Thanks climate change !!!

    • JohnAZ October 12, 2018 at 6:22 pm #

      No, thanks great grandparents, grandparents, parents and ourselves.

      Do you drive, heat your house, breathe, procreate, cook on a grill, build fires, watch TV, and on and on? Thank yourself for climate change. We have looked for the enemy, and it is us!!

      • Hmm, 1890-1920-1950-1980-2010…

        I=PxAxT expressed relative to 2030

        1890 = 0.00001 * 80 =0.0008

        1920 = 0.0001 * 120 = 0.01

        1950 = 0.001 * 175 =0.175

        1980 = 0.01 * 230 =2.3

        2010 = 0.1 * 320 =32

        2030 = 1 * 420 = 450

        IPCC 1.5C goal:

        2030 = 0.1 * 420 = 42

        This is a very simple model (consolidating Affluence and Technology) with US population levels.

        As we can see the nature of the exponential function shows where we will end up if we can mitigate fossil fuels, stop building all this blow-down architecture, and convert to living under energy constrains, we at least ensure something near our “standard of living” in terms todays climate- otherwise, its a lot of damage.

        JHK’s title is prescient, and readers make jokes about it, but its veracity only increases.

        The only hope ofr humanity is people ceasing what passes for “economy”- and beginning to see it as a future negative (positive growth in this model)

      • sophia October 13, 2018 at 12:34 am #

        So what you’re saying is that the normal processes of life – and don’t forget the farting cows – are bad for life.

        Except for driving. That’s not a normal process of life.

        • GreenAlba October 13, 2018 at 12:02 pm #

          Fields full of farting cows – and chopping down forests to make way for them so that people can eat way more meat than their bodies require for physiological needs – are as much an anthropogenic change to the ‘normal process of life’ as cars are. ‘Normal’ can be made to mean whatever we want it to mean.

          A hundred years from now it won’t mean what it means today, to the smaller number of people who will be around then.

          Not that I never make use of some cow once it’s past farting, but I’m aware of the effects of our taste for excessive amounts of protein, which seems to come with prosperity to pretty much all societies.

          • sophia October 13, 2018 at 9:25 pm #

            We’re overpopulated, but the answer is not more farming of grains and vegetables. Humans seem to like meat, and most animals eat the diet that’s right for them. What’s good for the environment is balanced farming on a reasonable scale. That means farms with mixed use, animals and plants, good soil, organic, not huge monocultures.
            Think of all the buffalo in their millions. They preceded the cows and they must have farted.

            In general, on earth, an area supports just as much teeming, bursting life as it possibly can.
            But now warmists think there are too many living, breathing, farting creatures.

          • GreenAlba October 14, 2018 at 9:09 am #


            I totally agree with your mixed approach.

            However, when the Amazon rainforest, which is our planet’s lungs, is being cut down to make way for palm oil plantations and the raising of animal protein, we are surely right to think this is madness, for which we will pay.

            And yes, we are overpopulated. And, as I mentioned, the more prosperous people become, the more they want more animal protein than they remotely need (and an over-consumption of which is actually doing them harm on an individual basis).

            What was the human population when buffalo were in their millions? What was the state of industrialisation then that has caused the worst of the recent problem? The current problem is a function of many things – we just happen to be at perfect storm stage now, with converging catastrophes, which include, but are not limited to, population.

            The damage done by ‘population’ is itself a function of how many people there are and how they live. On one side, the rich do much more harm than the poor, but on the other side, the population of the poor rises faster.

            ‘Warmist’ is an indefensible term, which is unworthy of you.

          • sophia October 14, 2018 at 7:09 pm #

            Well I’m glad we agree as to farming. But the idea that people don’t need to eat much meat is, again, an opinion on a topic about which many heated discussions take place. There is a worldwide vegetarian agenda, which they mostly call, mistakenly, the Mediterranean diet, and I have recently found that there is a church who has outsize and somewhat secretive influence on much of the so-called science being done. I just want you to know that your dietary opinions are largely based on an American prophetess of the 1800’s who thought meat encouraged masturbation and animal lusts.

          • GreenAlba October 15, 2018 at 6:03 am #

            “I just want you to know that your dietary opinions are largely based on an American prophetess of the 1800’s who thought meat encouraged masturbation and animal lusts.”

            Please stop being silly, sophia. I’m talking about bowel cancer, among other things. And you know nothing about my dietary opinions. But I just want you to know that your presumption is fascinating. I eat every kind of meat and more than I need to, like most of us.

          • GreenAlba October 15, 2018 at 6:43 am #

            I’m kind of glad you said that, though – it’s another insight into where you’re coming from. So, helpful.

  45. JohnAZ October 12, 2018 at 6:18 pm #

    Just heard governor of Florida saying we are not supposed to be getting a category 4hurricane in October. Fifty years ago, this was probably a true statement.

    Just a thought. What if the temperature gradient across the boundary between the trade winds and the equatorials has to fall below a certain level before hurricanes will stop forming? Could it be that increased heating will extend the hurricane season as well as the intensity?

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    • Thats my understanding.

      Pretty simple: longer summer of higher temps = more heat = warmer water = bigger hurricanes/typhoons

      • SoftStarLight October 12, 2018 at 6:46 pm #

        I live in the South and it wasn’t a hot summer overall this year.

        • thwack October 12, 2018 at 9:11 pm #

          Im black and its never too hot for me.

          Just sayin

        • No one asked you. Now go get your shinebox.

          • thwack October 13, 2018 at 7:25 pm #

            Keep mouth off oven dodger and you might find yourself in an ash tray.

      • elysianfield October 13, 2018 at 12:40 pm #

        “Pretty simple”

        Yeah, simple enough. I have a simple solution…let’s all open our refrigerator doors and let the cooling commence!

        AGW solved by AGC

        Thank you.

        We all wish it were that simple.

        CO2 increase is one of potentially thousands of variables, many still little understood or known.

        What is intuitive is that climate is changing.

        • GreenAlba October 13, 2018 at 3:48 pm #

          “CO2 increase is one of potentially thousands of variables”

          Gosh, if only climate scientists had thought there might be other variables and isolated the variables when creating their models.

          Silly scientists.

          • elysianfield October 13, 2018 at 7:29 pm #

            What was meant by my statement is that the scientists have been reaping the low hanging fruit…something easily quantifiable. Other variables known, not so easily quantifiable, their interconnected feedback loops, even less. The variables unknown, no data at all.

            The Earth is the center of the Universe, the sun revolves around our orb. Accept this or we will kill you. This is an example of “settled science”…there are others.

            You will notice that I am not denying AGW, just not accepting the party line…

            I had an Uncle that was in the Navy during WWII…his ship, a fleet carrier, weathered several typhoons…it was chaos, with smaller ships disappearing around the battle fleet, never to be heard from again. He told me that he wasn’t worried until “The old salts started crying…”

            If the Paris Accords are all that is presented to us in our existential moment…well, the old salts haven/’t started crying yet….

          • GreenAlba October 14, 2018 at 9:14 am #

            I don’t disagree with you about the Paris accords being way less than we need. You have to start somewhere. And a hard fought-for agreement is better than no agreement at all. Hopefully.

            As I said, psychology plays as much a part in this tragedy as hard science. And people will always be much quicker to jump on the ‘oh maybe it isn’t true after all’ bandwagon, because they’re desperate to believe that. As Bacon pointed out.

            And an ancient Roman or two.

            “Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt”

    • Janos Skorenzy October 12, 2018 at 6:30 pm #

      What man doesn’t feel ecstasy to feel the Trade winds on his face as they fill the sails of his boat?

      • tucsonspur October 12, 2018 at 8:03 pm #

        John Masefield

        I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky,
        And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by,
        And the wheel’s kick and the wind’s song and the white sail’s shaking,
        And a gray mist on the sea’s face, and a gray dawn breaking.

        I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide
        Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;
        And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,
        And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.

        I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life,
        To the gull’s way and the whale’s way, where the wind’s like a whetted knife;
        And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover,
        And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick’s over.

        • Janos Skorenzy October 13, 2018 at 6:55 pm #

          How can I wear the harness of toil,
          and sweat at the daily round,
          while in my soul forever,
          the drums of Pictdom sound?!”

          – REH’s intro poem to Bran Mak Morn

          Let’s face the obvious: after the Walt Whitman, he is the greatest poet America ever produced. Next comes WCW and only then, Frost. Then Emerson. Then Cummings.

  46. Janos Skorenzy October 12, 2018 at 6:28 pm #

    Melania’s on prime time tonight. Easily the most elegant first Lady since Jackie O. And can she ever rock a White tuxedo and matching hat! Yet she has been all but ignored because of the hatred against her husband, Donald Trump – and because she stands by her Man as she should.

    • thwack October 12, 2018 at 6:37 pm #

      Im sorry Janos, but in the imortal words of your Great Orange Leader:

      “She has to go back”

    • SoftStarLight October 12, 2018 at 6:40 pm #

      She is so classy and elegant!

      • thwack October 12, 2018 at 7:58 pm #

        Im sorry, but she still has to go back.

    • janet October 12, 2018 at 6:46 pm #

      Yet she has been all but ignored because of the hatred against her husband, Donald Trump – and because she stands by her Man as she should. –janos

      Melania does not measure up to Michelle, nor does Melania have a loving relationship with Donald or the ability to laugh and express affection toward Donald the way Michelle and Barack were able to share.

      Michelle and Barack had a normal marriage, bright kids, an organic garden and a dog. Melania and Donald have nothing, just separate bedrooms for separate lonely existences. Deplorable really.

      Barack did not find Michelle through an app or import her to the US with a tourist visa to have her work illegally. AP investigated Melania and found she did 10 modeling gigs working illegally on a tourist visa.

      Trump favors a strict immigration policy, “zero tolerance,” the separation of families at the southern border, concentration camps with thousands of children being traumatized. Yet, Melania Trump was at one point undocumented and benefited from programs her husband now condemns. Melania’s parents also benefited from family migration policies which Donald wants to eliminate for others. That’s how Melania’s parents got here. Donald’s father also got his money from the federal government (post-WW2 housing subsidies) and from fraud.

      There really is no comparison. The Obamas are clearly superior stock.

      • thwack October 12, 2018 at 9:08 pm #

        Ivanka has to go back too.

        What kinda name is that?

        What country she from?

        that ain’t no country I ever heard of?

        They speak English?

        English mother fucker, do they speak it?

        Well then she has to go back.

        • Janos Skorenzy October 13, 2018 at 6:59 pm #

          We’re not talking about White immigrants, Thwack. You know that. We’re racists! Is it our fault all immigrants aren’t created equal?

          • malthuss October 13, 2018 at 9:56 pm #

            I think Joan Rivers was murdered, as punishment.

          • malthuss October 13, 2018 at 10:54 pm #

            what do you think?



            Griggs goes into considerable detail about the Tailhook scandal which was a vast Marine Corps and Navy homosexual sex ring involving very senior naval personnel. We would never have assumed that to be the cause of the murder until we watched the full 8 hour interview of Kay Griggs given in 1998 in which she suggested that her husband was involved in the murder.

            Griggs is vitally important to understanding how the Marine Corps and Navy work. She states that it is nearly impossible to rise to colonel / commander or above without participating in the gay sex rituals which dominate the upper reaches of the US Navy.

            When the scandal broke, it was painted as a call girl / sexual harassment story, but Griggs set the record straight by pointing out that it had everything to do with extensive homosexual activities and rites.

            Griggs also stated that her husband George was an assassin for the Marine Corps though it always operated under Army command. Thus her husband was involved in countless assassinations of Americans.

            Boorda made the “mistake” of firing or easing into retirement too many of the individuals involved in the Tailhook operation, earning numerous powerful enemies such as General Jim Joy, General Al Gray, General Victor Krulak, General Carl Steiner, and many more senior military officers who sponsored and participated in the rituals.

          • SoftStarLight October 14, 2018 at 12:24 am #

            Well Joan Rivers’ death was definitely very suspicious. She went in for a routine endoscopy only to die like a week later essentially from brain damage due to oxygen deprivation. A doctor allegedly took a selfie while she was under anesthesia. The whole thing is really bizarre. It probably was retribution. Maybe one day we will know.

          • GreenAlba October 14, 2018 at 10:29 am #


            Not having a go at you here in any way, but sometimes things happen and she was 81. There isn’t always a conspiracy. Although I agree the selfie thing was pretty unedifying!

            Broadening the point regarding old folks, one of which I will soon be (I’m still ‘young-old’ and still earning, but not that much!), my husband spends a lot of time visiting old people. He works for the GP out-of-hours service and a fair proportion of the patients he sees are old, as is the way.

            Last night he saw a lady of 98, in her own home. He sees a lot of old ladies. In most cases the old ladies, unless demented, have far more common sense than their younger family members.

            This lady’s family thought she was ‘not herself’. She apparently felt she didn’t want to go on and was having morbid thoughts. They wanted her to see a psycho-geriatrician or something, but, even though they’d just spent £1700 (eeek!!!!) on a week’s respite care in a care home, they seemed to think the urgent services of a psycho-geriatrician were appropriate for a 98-year-old lady who’d just had enough, but they didn’t feel they should have to pay for this by going private. And they’d had her pricked and prodded for tests already and wanted more. To find out what was ‘wrong’ with her.

            Why shouldn’t she feel she’d had enough? She’s 98. People seem to have no sense – and they wonder why a national health service conceived when people mostly didn’t live beyond 70 (and only then if they were lucky) is struggling to fulfil their ridiculous expectations.

            Like I said, SSL, my little sideways rant isn’t directed at you at all, but maybe you have some views on this kind of thing?

            As a society we seem unable to get over our Peter Pan complex. A person of over 80 going into hospital for anything at all is slightly less likely to come out than a person of 25. Yet we persist in finding this odd and wanting to blame someone. Especially if lawyers can be involved, it would seem.

          • GreenAlba October 14, 2018 at 10:30 am #


            “I think Joan Rivers was murdered, as punishment.”

            Of course you do. I’d be almost disappointed if you didn’t. 🙂

          • SoftStarLight October 14, 2018 at 11:56 am #

            We should take care of our elders. It’s an obligation. With that being said I think the individual’s choice of care should be respected. The family should not go against their wishes. Wills are important. But in the case of Joan Rivers there were irregularities to say the least. Did you know that an unauthorized laryngoscopy was done on her vocal cords? That is probably what ended up causing her death. Her case does seem suspicious to me. And I know her comments were unforgivable to the Obama cult.

          • GreenAlba October 14, 2018 at 12:56 pm #

            I didn’t see enough of her to know who she mostly commented on – when I saw her she was mostly having a very acerbic go at other celebrities. It seemed amusing at the time, in a jaw-dropping kind of way, but, as I say, I’m not a JR expert!

            No, I don’t know about the details of her care. I was just broadening the discussion as we seem to have lost the plot a bit about the amount of misguided ‘care’ that is not even genuinely wise ‘care’ for the elderly, of whom I will certainly soon be one (if I’m lucky). My husband and I are in agreement that we don’t want a lot of nonsensical ‘care’ when we’re past it. There’s a time to go and we’ve smudged it, somewhat. Genuine care is ALWAYS the right thing to do.

          • elysianfield October 14, 2018 at 1:03 pm #


            I have read several of Dickie Marcinko’s books…very entertaining, but I would not buy a used car from him.

      • sophia October 13, 2018 at 9:28 pm #

        It sounds like Melania and her parents got here legally.

        • thwack October 13, 2018 at 9:59 pm #

          But she still has a black girls name.


          but she has to go back.

          • sophia October 14, 2018 at 7:14 pm #

            Black girl? I’ve never run into it here but it is an Eastern European name.

    • sophia October 13, 2018 at 12:37 am #

      But why is she dressed like a trannie?

      • Janos Skorenzy October 13, 2018 at 7:03 pm #

        Who? Melania? Fashion is weird. I prefer the pith helmet and White pants she wore in Kenya to the outfit she had on in Egypt: some kind of white blazer and hat.

        In any case, better to look like a trannie than be one like Michelle.

        Remember the old nursery rhyme?

        I never saw a purple cow,
        I never hope to see one.

        But I’ll tell you one thing anyhow,
        I’d rather see than be one.

        • sophia October 13, 2018 at 9:30 pm #

          I really delved into the Michelle trannie thing. Cannot make up my mind, but in the end I think she’s a woman. Her hips are too big for any man.

          • malthuss October 13, 2018 at 9:55 pm #

            a woman with lots of muscle.
            a big woman.

          • thwack October 13, 2018 at 10:03 pm #

            You need to see if her “belly button” is above or below her hip indent?

            strip and go stand in front of a mirror.

            If you are a man its above; if you are a woman its below.

          • elysianfield October 14, 2018 at 1:05 pm #

            “If you are a man its above; if you are a woman its below.”

            Interesting…another indicator in the event of confusion….

          • GreenAlba October 15, 2018 at 7:57 am #

            “I really delved into the Michelle trannie thing. ”

            Lost for words…

  47. DurangoKid October 12, 2018 at 6:55 pm #

    If the financial hiccup turns into carnage, the Dems will have been given the midterms on a platter. The trick will be just exactly what a maladroit water on a motorized skateboard can make of it. Can he get it from the kitchen to the table or will it end up in somebody’s lap or maybe down their back or get caught in the swinging door and never make it to the dining room at all? It might help to add a quartet of musical waiters singing a few verses of “How We Screwed The Working Class” as an act of contrition. And mean it. But old habits are hard to break. The menus will read “Tonight’s Special: Seared Samo-samo with a side of empty promises, take it or leave it.” As usual, it’s the only thing on the menu save for a flagon of Kool Aid with a distinct hint of almonds.

    • janet October 12, 2018 at 7:08 pm #

      DurangoKid, stock losses are more gruesome and bigger than they appear on the surface.

      The downfall of many individual stocks has been far more sizable than the broad stock market’s discomforting but manageable 7 percent drop.

      Big time troubles for the struggling bull market lurk in the deeper pool of companies that make up the Standard & Poor’s 500 stock index. Shares of many of them are in full retreat, with 165 companies, or one-third of the index, now in bear market territory. That means their stock prices are down more than 20 percent from their recent highs

  48. tucsonspur October 12, 2018 at 7:50 pm #

    Finally, something enjoyable from the world of golf:


  49. Walter B October 12, 2018 at 8:49 pm #

    It is a Shoot Up at the OK Corral alright, with the countless tons of smack, crack, and coke dealt out to the American public for the economy saving money laundering operations in the halls of Big Business, Big Pharm, and Big Deal USA. Do you think the Stock Market really ever crashes or do the Wall Street thieves simply choose a time to screw the general public out of their savings after they pump them up and connive them into “trusting” the suited thieves with access to their finances. It has never been truer that a fool and his money are soon parted. I live by a simple rule in life, if it is wearing a suit and a tie, it is a thieving scumbag and I won’t have anything to do with it.

    • JohnAZ October 12, 2018 at 9:53 pm #

      Four rules of the stock market

      Do not sell when everybody else is. Selling on a downside is nuts.

      You do not know enough about the market, esp. with computer trading. Use a financial advisor, who you can trust.

      Investing is long term, temporary hits are buying opportunities for investment firms. Growth comes from good timing which is impossible now for the little guy with microsecond trading.

      Stay away from the options market unles you can afford to lose everything. Too risky!

      Remember, the market has always recovered and surpassed itself. Patience is the key

      • Walter B October 12, 2018 at 10:16 pm #

        I dabbled in my day and made as much as I lost over time. Once I was made aware of the fact that the political sellout scumbags in DC are specifically allowed by law to perform insider trading for profit while we are not, well I make it a personal rule to not play the fool ever again. I may have all the money I need but I’ll be damned if I am going to piss any of it away to some douche bag in a suit and a tie. I would rather hand it out on street corners to homeless beggars, and sometime I actually do. .

      • PeteAtomic October 12, 2018 at 11:21 pm #

        It’s more complex than this.

        Investing isn’t long term always. I got out before 2008. I saved much money.

        • Walter B October 12, 2018 at 11:45 pm #

          I never said that investing had to be long term friend, but handing your excess assets over to a con artist or a thief is not investing at all. It is simply stupid. If you are fortunate enough to have excess assets and you do not know what to do with them, then I suppose that it does not really matter what you do or who you give them to, to “handle”, for you can always get more excess assets once you have been relieved of those you put at risk, right? It may not make sense to me, but what do I know anyway?

          • PeteAtomic October 13, 2018 at 10:59 pm #

            Indeed good points

  50. malthuss October 12, 2018 at 10:42 pm #

    What about the DJIA?

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  51. FincaInTheMountains October 13, 2018 at 12:59 am #

    Constantinople Converting Ukrainian Conflict into a full-blown Religious War

    WASHINGTON, Oct 12 – RIA News. The decision of the Patriarchate of Constantinople to rehabilitate the leaders of the schismatic church organizations in Ukraine and their followers will be rejected by other Orthodox churches, the former primate of the Orthodox Church in America, Metropolitan Jonah Paffhausen said.

    There are a total of 15 local Orthodox churches in the world, the Orthodox Church in America is one of them.

    “For almost 400 years, the Kyiv Metropolis was part of the Moscow Church, and Constantinople is trying to recall it. I am sure that it will be rejected by other churches,” said Jonah.

    On October 11, the synod of the Church of Constantinople made a decision to terminate the decree of 1686 on the transfer of the Kiev Metropolis to the Moscow Patriarchate. At the same time, the anathema was removed from the heads of two non-canonical churches – the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Kiev Patriarchate and the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church, which gives grounds for the provision of a single Ukrainian church of autocephaly.

    And the fact that Patriarchate of Constantinople is preparing to remove Archbishop Demetrios of America while giving [autocephaly] – independence – to Kiev means that the Ecumenical Patriarch officially declared war on both Moscow and Washington, and he could only do this by becoming a vassal and even slave to Hillary Clinton.

    He might as well have installed a statue of her in one of the temples and made his bishops kiss her feet.

    • FincaInTheMountains October 13, 2018 at 1:08 am #

      World War 3: Russia accused of ‘SABOTAGE’ after explosion rips through Ukraine arms depot

      RUSSIAN special agents could have been behind a series of explosions that tore through an ammunition depot in Ukraine in the early hours of this morning, according to security sources in Kiev.


      Less ammunition for UkroNazi to use against civilian population of Donbass.

    • sophia October 13, 2018 at 9:35 pm #

      I can’t pretend to follow all this, but it seems to me that Ukraine is a separate country from Russia and ought to have autocephaly.

      • elysianfield October 14, 2018 at 1:08 pm #

        “it seems to me that Ukraine is a separate country from Russia and ought to have autocephaly.”

        You could say the same thing about Texas…and California….

        • sophia October 14, 2018 at 7:16 pm #

          Elysian, it is a church term that means a nation has its own presiding bishop, as each Orthodox nation does.

          • elysianfield October 15, 2018 at 11:07 am #

            Thank you.

            I was using the term in a secular context…but I stand corrected.

  52. FincaInTheMountains October 13, 2018 at 1:43 am #

    It is time for United States to repent the Cold War which was NOT a war against Communism, but against the Orthodox Christianity and was triggered by Stalin’s decision in 1943 to drastically reduce the role of the Communist party in the Soviet Union, dismiss Communist International (ComIntern) and replace it with Orthodox International.

    The recent wars of Clinton’s administration against Orthodox Serbia in the 1990s and economical repressions of EU against Orthodox Greece in 2000s just another confirmations of that fact.

    • FincaInTheMountains October 13, 2018 at 2:04 am #

      The leading country in computers in 1985 was not the United States, and not Germany, and certainly not China, but Yugoslavia (Serbia and Greece). By the way, I think that was another reason these countries were executed.

      I don’t remember the name of that company in Zagreb, which, based on the institute of the Serbian Academy of Sciences and the University of Athens, managed in 1984 to create a computer that was significantly ahead of not only the PDP-11, but also any 486 computers created 10 years later in US.

      And if they had hooked up with Babayan from Russian Academy of Science, then the whole development of the world computer system would have gone the other way.

      By the way, so that you know DOS and Windows were created not by Microsoft, but by a certain company “Digital” on the basis of that company from Zagreb, which of course did not survive the first disintegration of Yugoslavia, which was triggered by Slovenia and Germany, and not Kosovo and the USA.

    • Ol' Scratch October 13, 2018 at 8:08 am #

      I’m sure religion was/is a secondary factor, but it’s mostly about global hegemony for the globalists. The US posed an exceedingly soft target due to our easily infested and subverted democratic process. Governments that tend toward autocratic on the scale, as the USSR did in the aftermath of WWII, are less easily captured. Yes, the globalists eventually crushed the USSR economically and politically using the US as their proxy, but they never anticipated the Russian resurgence behind a nationalist “strongman” in Putin, albeit one who displays uncommon wisdom and restraint in the face of the bought and paid for simpleton lapdogs the globalists have appointed in the US. Power reflected by money is what makes the world go ’round for these people. Religion is just another tool in the kit for exercising it.

      • FincaInTheMountains October 13, 2018 at 8:22 am #

        Whom are you calling “simpleton lapdog”? Hillary? She could eat Soros for breakfast.

        • aibohphobia October 13, 2018 at 7:19 pm #

          And may have…

      • FincaInTheMountains October 13, 2018 at 8:38 am #

        the globalists eventually crushed the USSR economically and politically

        The main factor of USSR disintegration was anti-Orthodox policy of Nikita Khrushchev that prevented the ideological vacuum during the Brezhnev era to be filled by the Red Christianity of Patriarch Sergius and instead was filled with cynicism.

    • sophia October 13, 2018 at 9:39 pm #

      I tend to agree with this in a more general way. The way that Russia is always and outsider and always treated with suspicion is in my opinion a religious issue at root. The guilt of the heterodox leads to such feelings.
      Wasn’t it St. Vladimir the Russian prince who said it was better to go under Moslem rule than Roman Catholic, as they would not survive the latter?

      • FincaInTheMountains October 15, 2018 at 5:57 am #

        No, it was St Alexander Nevsky.

  53. FincaInTheMountains October 13, 2018 at 8:43 am #

    State Department revokes Hillary Clinton’s security clearance at “her request”


    Well, that didn’t take long since the confirmation of Justice Kavanaugh, did it?

  54. bibliomaniac October 13, 2018 at 10:12 am #

    Speaking of rap, a close friend of mine, now deceased, who was a classical pianist claimed that rappers were alchemists:

    “They make shit out of music, and money out of shit!”

    • thwack October 13, 2018 at 10:25 am #

      Rappers are just poets; whats with all the hate?

      Do you hate anything black people are good at?

      • bibliomaniac October 13, 2018 at 10:57 am #

        No way, thwack! Jazz is the best thing going. I just can’t stand rap. .

        There is some classical music that I hate, and even some rock and roll.

        Mainly, I like jazz–and the best jazz musicians are, and always have been–black!

      • Cavepainter October 13, 2018 at 11:44 am #

        Rap and the rapture of so many who herald it as music and/or poetry
        is one of those ironies of history distorted into myth. It only comes to approximate music or poetry when — as in the former — the Western canon of musical scoring is applied for background orchestration of brass and strings; then — in the latter — when Western poetic form is adopted to what otherwise is just monotonous belligerent harangue stemming from ignorance of history.

        In fact, all forms of jazz derive from plantation owners (who, like all labor managers having the sensibilities of recognizing talent or “gift”) taught members among their “chattel” (if you please) the Western canon of musical scoring and arranging.

        You see, unlike Harriet Beecher Stowe’s propagandist tome misrepresenting the South, in general on plantations there arose a slave bourgeoisie class of those recognized and cultivated as possessed of having potential less common. Among them there was a common “looking down” upon those who were assigned to “lower” service. On that point too, slaves of different plantations commonly held lower opinion of one another, and often due to different African tribal origin.

        So, for all the damming of Western Culture (Whites in general) it is important to note that when slavery existed in America it actually was (and I mean in general sense) much more benign than elsewhere (which was everywhere among all cultures at the time)
        due to the intellectual advancement of the Western Enlightenment, which, due to its emphasis on “free thought” laid basis for expansion of the “human sciences”.

        If you don’t believe that I invite you do some research on slavery across the globe at the time, noting particularly that more White slaves existed in the Middle East and north Africa than Blacks in America.

        • Cavepainter October 13, 2018 at 2:17 pm #

          Hey Janet, you’re a little late to the party, I gave you this great opening. Are all your accompanist busy this weekend, maybe off at a “composer’s” picnic and pick-up baseball fund raiser?

          • janet October 13, 2018 at 2:28 pm #

            “So, for all the damming of Western Culture…” –cavepainter

            Western Culture has not benefited you enough to spell correctly.

          • Cavepainter October 13, 2018 at 2:42 pm #

            Disappointing Janet, I gave you much more powder to shoot off than that.

      • sophia October 13, 2018 at 9:43 pm #

        I have heard rap music done well. I regard it as a form of poetry. Music not so much.

        • thwack October 13, 2018 at 10:04 pm #

          Sophia, are you a musician?

          • sophia October 14, 2018 at 7:17 pm #

            No, I’m the audience.

      • elysianfield October 14, 2018 at 1:11 pm #

        “Do you hate anything black people are good at?”

        Well, maybe expressing their victimization…the train that is never late.

        • elysianfield October 14, 2018 at 1:14 pm #

          More specifically their sense of victimization…real and imagined.

  55. JohnAZ October 13, 2018 at 10:51 am #

    Just saw that the markets went down by 5.5% last week, DJIA.


    Why is this such a big deal? I’ll tell you why!

    The Fed is politically weaponized. Pundit accurately said that the sole job of the Fed is to regulate the supply of money to avoid inflation. He said, “There is no inflation”. So why are we tightening?

    Gee, let’s see. We have a president that is bragging on his positive changes to the economy. How to best torpedo him? Put a shock into the markets, the most visible indicator for the economy.

    So now, indications that the Fed may be loaded with Libtards that want to compromise Trump and put more people out of work and increasingly dependent on the gubment and therefore the Dems.

    Bill Maher said it best! “We need a recession to get rid of Trump”.

    It is incredible how infested the Deep State is with Libtards.

    Conservatives, vote! If we lose the edge, the Dems will destroy us to get their power back. Protect yourselves!

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    • janet October 13, 2018 at 2:35 pm #

      “indications that the Fed may be loaded with Libtards” –JohnAZ

      Can you name three?

      Actually, Libtards are happy with Trump because Trump is their guarantee for an election victory in 2020. In about 3 weeks you will appreciate even more what Trump has done for the Democrats. Hell, Trump was a Democrat and could be a plant. He did invite the Clintons to one of his many weddings.

      Said Trump:

      “It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. Now, it shouldn’t be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats. … But certainly we had some very good economies under Democrats, as well as Republicans. But we’ve had some pretty bad disasters under the Republicans.”

      Trump was a registered Democrat from August 2001 through September 2009.

      • Walter B October 13, 2018 at 3:49 pm #

        Is that a guaranteed victory as in the guaranteed Hillary Clinton “victory” of 2016? Or as in the failure of Justice Kavanagh getting appointed? You might want to rethink your predictions j-nut, you do not have a very good track record for getting it right. Perhaps that diversity has negative side effects.

        • janet October 13, 2018 at 4:23 pm #

          LOL! Thanks for the laugh, Walter. Hillary won the popular vote in 2016. According to finca she is secretly running the government now. Kavanaugh was confirmed after the Republicans refused to even hold a hearing for Garland (Obama’s nominee). But the joke’s on you because judges are not partial and Kavanaugh has voted the same as Garland 93% of the time.

          • Walter B October 13, 2018 at 4:41 pm #

            Hillary certainly is running the anti-government that is true. But there is no joke on me because unlike you I realize that it does not matter which ass you put in what hole, they are all in it for them at the expense of all of us including you, even if you are on the payroll. Of course if you are actually Hillary Clinton herself, than I stand corrected, you are winning. At least until it is time for judgment that is….

          • janet October 13, 2018 at 4:46 pm #

            You stand corrected.

  56. JohnAZ October 13, 2018 at 11:07 am #

    Just watched a young Black pundit on Cavuto saying that it does not make any difference if Blacks have a 6% unemployment rate but that doesn’t make any difference when they are drowning, that’s it, drowning.

    Here is a typical Democrat, telling her group that self determination is baloney, and the answer is dependence on the government.

    Liberals, do you really believe that, that you are incapable of taking care of yourself and you need the gubment to take care of you.

    You want to fix the Black problem, invest in the Black community.

    And please, do not buy into the BS that the Dems promote, they want one thing, power and your vote to get it.

    Solution, vote to retain Ben Carson et al working the community problems.

  57. SoftStarLight October 13, 2018 at 11:11 am #

    In the end it seems like the Deep State just became overly confident and sloppy. Most people knew there was something there anyway. People in flyover territory haven’t felt represented in forever so obviously alien agendas are at play. Hollywood, the “Media”, the pundits, they all serve a different master. Well anyway – they say that thousands of arrests and military tribunals are coming to purge that Deep State. It sounds like the only people who won’t like that live in big cities or on the coasts.

  58. JohnAZ October 13, 2018 at 11:22 am #

    Hey, Janet

    What is your next diatribe going to be about when the market comes back in late October and November?

    • janet October 13, 2018 at 2:45 pm #

      Are you sure the market is coming back? JHK says this is not a simple recession, but “it will actually be something a lot worse, with no end in sight.”

  59. FincaInTheMountains October 13, 2018 at 11:47 am #

    The fourth hurricane and the November elections

    I understand that it is difficult for you, dear Clusterfuckers, to believe in all these ups and downs of American politics, in the seizure of power in the USA by Hillary Clinton on September 17 after the Russian IL-20 catastrophe in Syria, and then her sudden fall on September 28 in the middle of confirmation hearings of Judge Kavanaugh.

    But you must understand that I am only telling you the conclusions and the main events that made me draw these conclusions, and dozens of smaller events that cling to each other and themselves form a mosaic that makes these inputs a fact, I just physically cannot convey to you.

    As a result, you simply cannot experience the horror that I experienced while watching the Stephen Colbert show, in which Hillary Clinton speaks in an Aesop language, but almost without hiding, announced that she takes power into her hands and urges her supporters to be ready to support mass political repression against Trump followers.

    But even this was not reflected in the media, just as they did not reflect the march of a million motorcyclists into Washington on September 11, 2013, as a result of which the Third World War did not start on that day.

    During Soviet military training, I used to sit in an iron barrel dug into the ground, and a T-64 tank drove over me – so this is nothing compared to the 20,000 New York motorcyclists who gathered in Fort Lee before going to Washington to participate in this march. Nevertheless, this event was successfully silenced.

    But the fall of Hillary Clinton on September 28 took place much more covertly and its main manifestation was Trump’s sudden consent for a week delay in confirmation of Judge Kavanaugh, to have the FBI investigate the accusations of attempted to rape of an elderly professor Ford.

    And the only thing I can bring in the proof of this theory, are the tears of Judge Kavanaugh in the first half of confirmation hearings – agree that a man who in 1990s investigated the crimes of Hillary Clinton, when not only witnesses, but investigators themselves made a group jumps from the windows of skyscrapers (apparently from sad love), would cry only in very exceptional circumstances.

    Nevertheless, I will try to compile a certain chronicle of the strategic offensive of Donald Trump after September 28, when it is unknown what happened, but we all saw circles on the water diverging from this mysterious event, in the form of a successful confirmation of Judge Kavanaugh and rumors about the flight of Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein together with President Trump on a Marine 1 helicopter after Trump’s talks with the President of Chile on September 28 at 11:30 am, and this helicopter was specially prepared so that nobody could overhear any conversation on board.

    First of all, I must note that the failure of this conspiracy of Hillary Clinton began with the sudden transformation of the biggest hurricane in the entire history of the United States Francis into the wettest, as President Trump called it, when hurricane suddenly subsided, not reaching 50 kilometers from the US coast. It’s even hard for me to imagine the consequences of this hurricane if, on September 14, it reached the US and the colossal destruction caused by the incompetence of US President Trump forced the American Federal Emergency Management Agency – FEMA – to take power into their own hands.

    I think that even in Russia, the count of the victims of hurricane Francis would go to the millions!

    Meanwhile, the control of hurricanes is still beyond the capabilities of the presidents of the United States and Russia, and an elderly professor Ford, specializing in self-hypnosis, is a poor substitute for a hurricane!

    To be continued…

  60. FincaInTheMountains October 13, 2018 at 2:13 pm #

    The fourth hurricane and the November elections (cont)

    Meanwhile, the control of hurricanes is still beyond the capabilities of the presidents of the United States and Russia, and an elderly professor Ford, specializing in self-hypnosis, is a poor substitute for a hurricane!

    And at the human level, the failure of Hillary Clinton began even earlier on September 1, when the daughter of Senator McCain, the candidate for the presidency of the Republican Party in 2008 and the enemy of President Trump in the Republican Party in 2016, attacked the main slogan of President Trump “Make America Great again!”, which all political scientists in Russia translate as “Make America Supreme Again!”.

    She spat on this slogan, saying that America does not need to become great again because she always remained “Great”. This statement caused terrible anger at the so-called Trump’s base, the members who stated that for them America was not great after the 2008 financial crisis, meaning that America was not good for them, although it remained great because the word “great” translates into Russian not only as the word “supreme”, but also as the word “cool”.


    I wrote already about this inaccuracy in the translation, because Trump’s supporters really didn’t initially intend to make America great again for the reasons mentioned by McCain’s daughter at the funeral of her father, and now, after all Russian political parties cooked a stinking soup from this inaccuracy, it becomes an important factor in domestic, and most likely, US foreign policy in a completely different sense.

    In particular, this factor played an important role when the fourth hurricane Michael fell on America after three of which I wrote, and Trump began preparing for it with a presidential address using the FEMA emergency alert system that was aimed at convincing Trump supporters annoyed by the aforementioned spit on their favorite slogan, to restrain from taking by storm the local branches of FEMA and killing all of the guardsmen of Hillary Clinton.

    And since Hillary managed to sabotage this appeal in a number of places, he met with representatives of FEMA in front of the cameras of all the leading TV channels on the eve of the hurricane, and they, despite their “love” for Trump, showed scenes of complete obedience of the representatives of the US organization that Trump’s supporters considered to be Hillary Clinton’s Guard.

    By the way, pay attention to the girl who stands next to the FEMA representative in this video. This girl appeared next to Trump again, on October 1, when he gave a press conference with Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau about the renegotiation of NAFTA – a free trade agreement between Canada, the United States and Mexico. This agreement was drafted by the government of George Bush Senior, but stolen by Hillary Clinton, who skillfully provided the US president’s vomit on the Japanese prime minister, with the result that George Bush did not become president in 1992, and the most important part of NAFTA – the agreement on order of money printing – was made under Hillary’s geopolitical plans.

    And in the new NAFTA agreement, this part was made under Trump’s geopolitical plans, and, concluding it, Trudeau was the very first and fattest rat that ran from the Clinton ship.

    And Trump forced him to do this, first imposing tariffs on Canada under the law on US state security, and then, forcing him to give a press conference on the anniversary of the execution of country music lovers in Las Vegas.

    And the mention of this event at this press conference is a message to certain of the Trudeau’s friends, that no one and nothing is forgotten, that the new NAFTA is an agreement with Trudeau, but is not an agreement with these friends of his.

    And after 10 days of Hillary Clinton rule, that terrified the world, Trump’s party, having won, still had to change their plans. Prior to that, congressional Republicans were going to impeach Rosenstein immediately after confirming Kavanaugh, after which Trump had to dismiss Sessions and with a high degree of probability to go to the polls without the attorney general, but after Rosenstein went to Trump’s side, there was no need for that, and Trump used this time to appoint 15 new district judges and the Democrats were forced to agree to an accelerated procedure for confirming these judges, because of their behavior during the confirmation of Judge Kavanaugh.

    The incredible mobilization of Trump’s base culminated in the visit of Kardashian’s husband, black rapper Kanye West. And I can assure you that the hatred of blacks against Hillary Clinton is not an accident, but an objective reality given to us in sensations that are far from pleasant. Black’s support for Hillary is a myth, and the media pedaled it to ward off suspicion from the forged election results in the black districts of big cities where Hillary Clinton controls polling stations most closely. But 15 new judges in district courts clearly do not contribute to these plans.

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  61. thwack October 13, 2018 at 2:27 pm #

    Innocent black man trying to turn his life around, killed by racist white cops:


    • janet October 13, 2018 at 2:54 pm #

      The first gunshot was fired by the officer. The suspect didn’t fire his weapon. No shot heard. No weapon recoil. Just sayin’ Thwack you a racist.

      • Tate October 13, 2018 at 4:19 pm #

        You must have watched a different video. Looked like suicide by cop to me.

        • thwack October 13, 2018 at 4:48 pm #

          He was a good little boy; he rescued baby eaglets from forest fires and nursed them back to health in his grandmas basement.

          He ran a youth program for abandoned dolphins and unicorns…

          He gave his only pair of shoes away to a homeless beggar.

          Our hearts go out to his fambly


          • Janos Skorenzy October 14, 2018 at 1:26 pm #

            New movie about the greatest mass murderer in American history: Gosnell. Yes, he was as black as the Ace of Spades. Now Quick – in that space between two thoughts or mind moments (called the Lightening Flash), how do or did you feel to hear that he was Black? Was it perhaps not pride?

            And then you wonder why we don’t want y’all round?

          • GreenAlba October 15, 2018 at 8:04 am #

            “how do or did you feel to hear that he was Black? Was it perhaps not pride?

            And then you wonder why we don’t want y’all round?”

            – Objection, Your Honour, Counsel is leading the witness.

            – Sustained.

        • janet October 13, 2018 at 4:51 pm #

          You do not have to fire a weapon to commit suicide by cop. Just need to fake a movement. Reach into a pocket, raise the arm a bit, anything will do to get the police to cooperate in your suicide. You do NOT have to do anything to endanger the lives of the police. Just steal $8 and get shot by 45 bullets. Justice American style.

          • Tate October 13, 2018 at 5:34 pm #

            If I was a cop, I’d probably be complicit in the suicides of dozens of useless eaters. They’d be grinning, “Tate, you da man!” slappin’ me on the back & whatnot. I’d be sprayin’ slugs like Deadeye Dick Cheney.

          • JohnAZ October 13, 2018 at 7:21 pm #

            Like all occupations where people have power over others, bad characters get the power sometimes. The Chicago cop that killed the kid who was walking away from him just got convicted of murder. BLM is right in identifying the problem, but wrong in idling every cop as evil. Where would we be without police? Chaos! Chicago!

            A real problem is the training of police. As the gangs get more and more powerful with bigger guns, the police response is to match them. Cops are trained to kill with any provocation. The Chicago cop insisted the the kid was brandishing a knife. Uh, he may have been, but he was heading away from confrontation and did not need to be shot 16 times. That cop was either a hater or so full of adrenaline that he behaved the way he did. Again, training deficiency.

            Bad or incompetent cops need to be weeded out in training school before they have life and death authority.

            And the Perps need to show utmost respect to police because they do have that authority.

          • GreenAlba October 14, 2018 at 9:29 am #

            Good post, JohnAZ.

          • Janos Skorenzy October 14, 2018 at 1:22 pm #

            John: As Jim in Florida used to say, something else seems to be going on. White Cops seem to be acting as the white blood cells of our social body – and dealing with the alien elements from that pov. Yes, from a conventional pov, a totally unjustified killing – but do such violent and alien people belong amongst us to begin with?

            Ditto countless incidents around America by regular Whites – like the guy shooting at a Black kid because he may have just been axing for directions. Whites have had it with Blacks, our trust and tolerance all used up. Of course the Media is going to capitalize on this to make Whites seem “racist” and therefore deserving of more savagery. Thus the beat down goes on.

    • PeteAtomic October 14, 2018 at 2:39 pm #

      I wondered if that guy lived at the end there 🙂


    • PeteAtomic October 14, 2018 at 2:44 pm #

      the cops in Atlantic City have potty mouths too, geez.

      I hope his mother washed his mouth out with soap after that shooting.

  62. janet October 13, 2018 at 2:41 pm #

    “you need the gubment to take care of you.” –JohnAZ

    Did you ever serve in the military? Then you know what it means for the government to take care of you. Your use of internet, federal highways, and government-inspected meat… that is government taking care of you. Did you ever attend public schools? Do you ever go to a VA hospital with government doctors? Receive Social Security checks? Receive a military pension? Don’t pretend you don’t know what it’s like for the government to take care of you… or that it is a bad thing. I support liberals because I support government being involved in defense of our country, and the transportation, health and education of our people, one nation, indivisible.

    • JohnAZ October 13, 2018 at 7:44 pm #

      It is not the job of this government to care for me cradle to grave, like Sweden. I will agree that the government has responsibility to help folks during hard times, to give them a leg up. Not to take care of them for the rest of their lives. And welfare should be workfare. There are millions of menial jobs that people on unemployment or welfare could do while working their way back into the economy.

      There is a tendency in some folks to just lean back and retire onto disability or welfare. These are the people that infuriate conservatives.

      Public schools are local, supported by property tax. The Federal government should get out of the business. Ever since the education department took over, education has gotten worse. Actually, the decline in education quality also stems from the decline of parental influence, i.e. the PTA.

      Social Security and Medicare are both financed through payroll taxes, the people own the assets. The government stole the assets by putting their assets into promise to pay bonds. So the capital pool for both are now residing in the $20trillion debt. It covers folks who are old enough to not be competitive in the workplace. Again the government supporting fallout.

      The government has legitimate functions. Defense of the country, number one priority. Interstate regulation, support for the economically unfortunate, creation of, enforcement of and interpretation of laws to support the whole country.

      By the way, this is why the electoral college was created, to prevent the Feds from favoring a few big population states at the expense of the smaller states. That is the foundation of the bicameral legislature also.

      Government breeds dependency, not a good thing.

      As for me, US. Navy, VA education which I earned, and Social Securityand Medicare, which I earned. I have never asked for a dime gratis from the government.

      • JohnAZ October 13, 2018 at 7:53 pm #

        Not to mention that the primary motivator for the Liberals is their own power operating from the government. Handouts for votes.

        Unfortunately it works. Just be ready to lose degrees of your liberty when you vote in these power folks.

    • Tate October 14, 2018 at 12:56 pm #

      Yeah, but we can’t have “one nation, indivisible” with open borders. But you already know that. How much do they pay you to disgorge your incoherencies here, Asoka? Clearly, it has no other purpose than to disrupt & dissipate normal discussion, but I just wonder what’s the going rate?

  63. GhostOfHam October 13, 2018 at 4:20 pm #

    The wheels of the law have come off the axles quite a while ago. Someone jacked the car and replaced them with the big wheels of Policy.

  64. thwack October 13, 2018 at 4:42 pm #

    October 12, 2018 at 9:05 pm #
    Well, I can assure you it isn’t Mr Kunstler. He’s a great writer, but his economic predictions have been less impressive.


    I look at it this way.

    JHK’s predictions are accurate, but in an unconventional way; like a battleship that keeps getting torpedoed.

    They can only counter flood so many times before they only have a freeboard of a couple of feet.

    At that point, even the wake of a passing tramp steamer can sink it.

    Just sayin.

    PS — I suspect all the recreational marijuana actions are a “tell” that our handlers know we will soon be without jobs, money, housing…

    • janet October 13, 2018 at 4:53 pm #

      I fired my handler.

      • Cavepainter October 13, 2018 at 6:19 pm #

        Your handler? “Meds” maybe?

        • Walter B October 13, 2018 at 6:32 pm #

          Joel Benenson perhaps.

      • pequiste October 14, 2018 at 12:00 am #


  65. Pucker October 13, 2018 at 7:22 pm #

    Chris Hedges criticizes the privatization of the US government as a “Corporate Coup de Tat”, but even so where does economic efficiency enter in? Tainter’s Collapse By Overcomplexity augurs privatization, right? Isn’t Hedges conflating Morality and historic economic forces? What’s God got to do with it? Or in the words of the Great Tina Turner, “What’s Love Got to Do with it?”


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    • Pucker October 13, 2018 at 7:31 pm #

      Hedge’s Protestant Christianity is Dualist, but his Marxism is “Monist”? Hegel requires conciliation of the Conflict?

    • Walter B October 13, 2018 at 7:35 pm #

      It is not about efficiency as I am sure you know as well. It is about kickbacks and profit from stock sales, and opportunities for frat brothers and family to open lucrative businesses like prisons for profit which lends itself nicely to payoffs for elected officials:

      “”A Note on “Prison Pop”

      The “pop” is a word I learned on Wall Street to describe the multiple of income at which a stock is valued by the stock market. So if a stock like Cornell Corrections trades at 15 times its income, that means for every $1 million of net income it makes, it’s stock goes up $15 million. The company may make $1 million, but its “pop” is $15 million. Folks make money in the stock market from the stock going up. On Wall Street, it’s all about “pop.””


      • JohnAZ October 13, 2018 at 7:49 pm #

        You mentioned the taking care of each other’s in religions or organization.

        It is real, and has been used, for example, by Jewish folks and LDS folks. Both benefit greatly from the advantage of collectivism

        And unfortunately induces the ire of others.

        • Walter B October 14, 2018 at 5:11 am #

          Yes it does John and I could recount amazing tales of all sects of Jews taking unbelievable care of one another in the NY metropolitan area that I have witness in five decades. It is only natural that the rest of us might be jealous of such community when we are at each others throats competing with one another instead of working together. Of course it is hard to work together with assholes like j-nut constantly attacking and fomenting discord and anger within the herd, isn’t it?

        • Janos Skorenzy October 14, 2018 at 7:12 pm #

          And of course the Tribe doesn’t work against White solidarity at every step, right guys?

      • janet October 13, 2018 at 8:01 pm #

        “The “pop” is a word I learned on Wall Street…” –Walter B

        Before you became an elected official in New Jersey? Was your handler Carl Icahn or George Soros?

        • Walter B October 14, 2018 at 6:56 am #

          Looks like you could use a free lesson in how things are out in the real world. From what we see of Washington DC and our state capitols, money talks every elected official is owned by at least a few masters. I read a biography a couple of years ago of Bart Starr, a childhood sports hero of mine. After his successful football career, a state senator in Wisconsin tried to convince Bart that he would be a shoo in for political office and that he should run. Bart refused to consider it because, he told the senator, when a man runs for office he is compelled to raise funds to do so and once you take someone’s money you are beholden to that person once you get in. Bart could not do this, he was his own man and had to do what he thought was right, not what someone else told him to do.

          That is exactly how it is in my Township. We have around 4,100 residents in 1,400 households. For less than $200, I was able to buy enough campaign signs and hand out cards to run for years. The Committeeman position is only part time and pays $2,600 a year, though I defer my salary to the Senior Citizens Club. Why would someone do such a thing you might ask? The $5,700 a year I pay in property tax is the largest highest form of tax I pay every year and I’ll be damned if I am going to turn it over to some incompetent, part time politician. And they certainly do piss it away and pocket what they can so the least I can do is get in there and fight to see to it that our taxes are used wisely and properly.

          You see, I do not just bitch and whine and try to talk others into doing the work for me, I put my money where my mouth is and do the work as well. What this nation sorely needs right now is more citizens that are willing to do this and not just bitch on the Internet about it all.

    • bibliomaniac October 14, 2018 at 9:26 am #

      Pucker–He alludes to Sheldon Wolin’s book, “Democracy Incorporated” in which Wolin concludes that the US is an “inverted totalitarian state.” Hedges adds that we have a porn culture and a circus press.

      How true. Trump is only a symptom of the mess we have made of this country with a so-called “free market,” so free it is killing the planet.

      Hedges goes into detail about this in his book “Empire of Illusion.”

  66. Pucker October 13, 2018 at 8:03 pm #

    Free Bill Cosby! Free Him to Tell a Few More Jokes!

    • pequiste October 13, 2018 at 11:58 pm #

      So he can pimp a new TeeVee program with him hosting?

      Develop the first unabridged and unexpurgated Braille Ebonics Dictionary?

      Or play a couple of rounds of the Hollyweird version of blindman’s buff?

      Perhaps even find a few more white wimmens to assault?

      Let “Dr. Huxtable” rot.

      • Pucker October 14, 2018 at 3:00 am #

        If it’s funny, it should fly…,

  67. janet October 13, 2018 at 8:09 pm #

    “Folks make money in the stock market from the stock going up.” –Walter B

    So that is how it works? And then along comes Trump and the stock market goes down and folks are not making money. That’s a heartbreaker.

    They got something goin’ on and don’t talk much about it,
    Ain’t no real big secret, all the same somehow they get around it,
    Listen, Walter B, it don’t really matter to me, you believe what you want to believe,
    You see, but you don’t have to live like a Wall Street refugee

    • Walter B October 14, 2018 at 5:06 am #

      You are very consistent at talking shit about subjects that you don’t know shit about. You may have a positive self image, but you public image is that of the village idiot.

  68. K-Dog October 13, 2018 at 11:54 pm #

    Teragant goings on about investing. Yet perhaps consideration of events in Saudi Arabia should get thrown into the mix.

    Fireworks in Saudi Arabia could be coming. That could trigger a big slide, or not. It will have to push the market one way or another.

    The Golden Great One is laughed at now, but his inability to do what needs to be done regarding the crown prince could make an utter clown of Trump. Somebody give him the red ball nose. The world could laugh so hard at him everyone pees their pants. Trump can fondle the jewel encrusted Scimitar the Saudis gave him and mutter about fake news while everyone pees at him not knowing what to do.

    That would be global warming for sure.

    Michael Corleone would know what to do about the Khashoggi situation. It is a no brainer for someone with brains.

    • K-Dog October 13, 2018 at 11:55 pm #


    • janet October 14, 2018 at 12:15 am #

      “Trump can fondle the jewel encrusted Scimitar the Saudis gave him and mutter about fake news while everyone pees at him” –kdog

      Trump pays hookers to pee at him. He loves golden showers. He loves his daughter and says he wanted to make love to Ivanka. Here are some of the quotes of Trump’s comments about Ivanka.

      “Yeah, she’s really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren’t happily married and, ya know, her father….”

      “Is it wrong to be more sexually attracted to your own daughter than your wife?”

      “He told me once that I was someone to be reckoned with, beautiful and smart just like his daughter,” Stormy Daniels said.

      When asked what he and his daughter both consider their favorite things, Trump answered, “I was going to say sex…”

      “Ivanka posing for Playboy would be really disappointing… not really. But it would depend on what was inside the magazine…I don’t think Ivanka would [do a nude shoot] inside the magazine, Although she does have a very nice figure. I’ve said that if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”

      “You know who’s one of the great beauties of the world, according to everybody? And I helped create her. Ivanka. My daughter, Ivanka. She’s 6 feet tall, she’s got the best body.”

      • K-Dog October 14, 2018 at 1:21 pm #

        You ran with my sentence but fetched a different stick. Nice stick, good job.

    • JohnAZ October 14, 2018 at 10:15 am #

      Anybody who was around in 1973 and I think, 1978, when the Saudis cut us off from their oil knows what can happen to us if they do it again. All these anti-Saudi zealots just do not seem to understand what the hell they are talking about. For all of us peons, how about $10 a gallon gasoline and hyperinflation. People seem to forget that the hyperinflation of the 70’s was caused primarily by two factors, the influx of many many women into the labor market, and the huge inflation in the price of oil.

      Do not believe that Saudi oil does not make any difference. We are not even close to being independent from foreign oil. Our good friend China needs more and more oil and would like nothing better than putting us under the gun by buying up the oil supply from Saudi Arabia AND Iran. Even putting it into storage if necessary, betting on the future.

      We leverage Saudi Arabia against Iran trying to quell the zealous anti Semites in Iran. All we need to do is get them both set against us, Israel is under increased threat and what little stability exists in the ME is history.

      So be informed before you start the anti-Trump game. His and the State Department’s next moves could throw this country into the Long Emergency all by itself. We need to go slow, eyes open, listening to what happened to the correspondent and possibly why. No stupid emotional responses. Remember, all you liberals getting ready to jump on this as an issue. You are suspected of many, 42 I believe, murders for political gain. So go right ahead, it will be fun to watch you shoot yourself in the foot, AGAIN.

  69. pequiste October 14, 2018 at 12:04 am #

    “PS — I suspect all the recreational marijuana actions are a “tell” that our handlers know we will soon be without jobs, money, housing…”

    A cigar to Thwack for being so observant.

    (Or maybe a spliff would be more appropriate?)

    • JohnAZ October 14, 2018 at 10:19 am #

      If the public is stupid enough to anesthetize itself with drugs as the rug is being pulled out from underneath itself, you deserve your fate. So go vote Democrat, that is where they are leading us.

      • thwack October 14, 2018 at 1:24 pm #

        it worked with sex?

        why not try it with drugs?

  70. janet October 14, 2018 at 2:57 am #

    “One of the key messages that comes out very strongly from this report is that we are already seeing the consequences of 1°C of global warming through more extreme weather, rising sea levels and diminishing Arctic sea ice, among other changes,” said Panmao Zhai, Co-Chair of IPCC Working Group I.

    Global Warming of 1.5°C, an IPCC special report on the impacts of global warming of 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels and related global greenhouse gas emission pathways, in the context of strengthening the global response to the threat of climate change, sustainable development, and efforts to eradicate poverty


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    • JohnAZ October 14, 2018 at 10:37 am #

      Janet, one of the things that has hurt the credibility of the GW warning crowd is the overpromising of dire responses from the alarmists like Al Gore. The Earth has many mechanisms to offset the effects of increasing sea temperatures which will slow it down. Effects are showing up but not at the rate that will set off a universal response. Trump himself has changed from total non belief in AGW to acknowledging its presence but thinking there is not much we can do about it without upsetting the political apple cart. In other words, acknowledgement that we do not have a clue what to do. It infuriates me, for example how the public shifts to buying gas guzzlers everytime the price of oil drops thirty cents. The American public is ignorant of what the effects of GW are and as such can be easily swayed by political BS. Telling them that in twenty years all thevsea coasts will be under water was not wise. Slow scientific evaluation with solutions that matter is the pathway to success. Problem is, the Arctic ice step function change is approaching. The solutions will not be popular and will have to be sold to the public politically. It took 200 years, the steam engine, to get the atmosphere this loaded with pollution and CO2, and it will take just as long to recover.

      • bibliomaniac October 14, 2018 at 11:36 am #

        AZ–probably longer, but we won’t be around to see it.

  71. janet October 14, 2018 at 4:02 am #

    Mueller’s Team America is always quietly working in the background out of the view of cameras and photographers and reporters, interviewing, compiling evidence, linking always linking, e.g.: Trump–Alph Bank–Russia.

    • Cavepainter October 14, 2018 at 10:26 am #

      Yes Janet, and don’t you think it about time to stop delaying in formulating a realistic strategy of national survival against the pressures of billions of people of non-miscible culture attempting to relocate. That is, not of the Utopian hype (intended) contending that all will be swept by some Gnostic like rapture of singularity in belief and perspective, thereby all agreeing to satisfy with only minimum caloric requirement of green liquid through a straw. Ah yes, “the lion will lay down with the lamb”.

      • JohnAZ October 14, 2018 at 10:44 am #

        In other words, Build the Wall!

        • janet October 14, 2018 at 1:47 pm #

          Demands of Trump which fall on deaf ears.

      • SoftStarLight October 14, 2018 at 12:54 pm #

        Please finish the wall and don’t make any doors :-p.

        • janet October 14, 2018 at 1:49 pm #

          Polite requests of Trump which fall on deaf ears. There will be no wall. Stop whining about immigration. Embrace the 11 million immigrants already working here and let’s get on with making America great.

          • SoftStarLight October 14, 2018 at 3:03 pm #

            LOL all 30 million or more will be deported. But you keep thinking what you want. We have no use to embrace that which is alien.

        • Janos Skorenzy October 14, 2018 at 7:15 pm #

          Just what is known, in subway parlance, as turnstyles: one way revolving doors.

  72. venuspluto67 October 14, 2018 at 9:31 am #

    According to Michael Snyder at “The Economic Collaspe” blog, this “dead-cat bounce” was probably engineered by the powers-that-be in finance in order to get the S&P 500 back up around its 200-day moving average, because if they hadn’t done so, all heck would break lose in the markets on Monday morning. I say, perhaps it will despite the fact that they apparently succeeded on Friday. 😉

  73. JohnAZ October 14, 2018 at 11:04 am #

    Well here we go again. US folks go to Honduras to try to get them to slow down the number of emigres walking to the US. And what happens, 1200 start the trek, and funniest thing, just in time for the mid terms. Gee, any Liberal collusion here? These folks are poor as church mice, where are they getting the money to go, and the organization to act as a unit?


    • SoftStarLight October 14, 2018 at 12:53 pm #

      It’s a foreign invasion and should be treated as such. Finish the wall now :-)!

      • janet October 14, 2018 at 1:52 pm #

        To finish something implies it has been started. Their is no funding to build a wall. Mexico won’t pay for it as Trump lied over and over again at his rallies. Congress won’t pay for it. You want more government spending? You seem to want free stuff. There will be no wall. Get over it… because that is what immigrants do.

        • SoftStarLight October 14, 2018 at 3:01 pm #

          Wrong Janet – I want the government to do their primary job. Protect us from foreign and domestic enemies. Didnt ya know?

          • janet October 15, 2018 at 12:34 am #

            I do, too. And immigrants are not enemies. They are human beings who just want to work, have a safe place to live, and raise and educate their children. Same as you.

          • janet October 15, 2018 at 12:38 am #

            Read the founding documents. It does not specify “citizens” … it says ALL are created equal… ALL are endowed with inalienable rights… liberty and justice for ALL. Not just for citizens.

    • Church mice get funds from the church. What?

      They get the courage to put their kids on a migrant train from the King of Kings, Lord of Lords. They get motivation and inspiration from American religious groups.


      The real “open borders” crowd

      • SoftStarLight October 14, 2018 at 1:28 pm #

        Hmmm, maybe these particular churches are like a fifth column or something?

        • janet October 14, 2018 at 1:54 pm #

          True Christianity is subversive. Always has been. Blessed are the poor said the guy in sandals who was always trekking and did not need money to walk. Even water didn’t stop him.

          • SoftStarLight October 14, 2018 at 3:26 pm #

            Wrong again – Fake and phony churchianity is subversive. But good try 😉

          • janet October 15, 2018 at 12:35 am #

            I’m not talking about churchianity. I’m talking about the original christianity.

  74. FincaInTheMountains October 14, 2018 at 12:39 pm #

    The Turn of the Chessboard as Trump’s Strategic Offensive and the Continuation of the Fourth Hurricane

    I will not hide from you that I have no idea about the reason for the failure of Hillary Clinton on September 28. Even Rosenstein’s transition to Trump’s side cannot explain those circles on the water that emanate from this event.

    But something can be understood by studying these circles and comparing them with circles that emanated from Trump’s other victories, after which he managed for some time to get rid of the pressure of the Mueller’s commission.

    For example, one of these victories was tax reform a year ago and the main consequence of this reform was the complete neutralization of frantic Clintonoid Paul Ryan, who was Republican leader in Congress, and half a year later, Senate leader Mitch McConnell went to Trump’s side, without whom the Judge Kavanaugh’s confirmation would have been impossible.


    Meanwhile, it was Mitch McConnell in May 2017 who made the Republicans in the Senate vote an anti-Russian and anti-Trump law that deprived Trump of the most important presidential power on his birthday and 5 hours after his friend Scalise was shot as a birthday present.

    And now it remains unclear whether the transition of Mitch McConnell to Trump’s side is the consequence or the cause of the aforementioned event on September 28, which changed the strategic alignment of forces and made judge Kavanaugh ‘s confirmation possible.

    And this confirmation almost neutralizes the Mueller Commission, since any subpoena for Trump from the Mueller Commission will end up in the Supreme Court if Trump refuses to carry it out. And Mueller has already admitted this, having agreed to ask Trump his questions in writing, and Trump himself doesn’t write the answers to these questions, but his lawyers, which almost exclude the possibility of Trump getting into the so-called perjury trap.

    And if you compare circles from tax reform in December 2017 with circles from that mysterious event of September 28, 2018, it immediately catches the eye that Trump’s appropriation of the results of the medical reform Obamacare, hidden in tax reform, is a tactics, even though letting that tremendous economic take-off that in turn, to a considerable degree, provides the Republican party with an advantage in the midterms elections, but still tactics.

    But Trump’s speech addressed to the Federal Reserve on Wednesday, in conjunction with his speech at the UN on September 26, is a strategy, and without active cooperation with Russia, he will not be able to implement this strategy.


    And looking ahead, I want to note that Trump’s anti-globalization speech to the UN is no longer a Color World Project, it’s a clear consequence of his conversations with Archbishop Demetrios of America, whom Bartholomew I of Constantinople, not to mention his name by night, is trying to dismiss from the post of head of the North American Diocese of the Greek Orthodox Church, and if an Orthodox World Project will be soon formulated, then Trump’s speech to the UN will take a worthy place in it.

    And the main feature of this new strategy of Trump is his desire to turn a 180-degree a chess board of the game, which he, despite his own will, has to play against Hillary Clinton.

    For example, he is trying, through Rosenstein, to send Mueller’s commission to investigate Hillary Clinton’s links with those who made up the notorious dossier of former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele, and it is possible that the latter broke the silence because he sensed the approach of a roasted rooster ready to peck him in a very tender place.

    And Christopher Steele knows about the mysterious September 28 event much more than I do and he clearly wants to enter into negotiations with those who, in my opinion, are determined to fry Bastinda the Great and Terrible along with all her Flying Monkeys.

    And the richest man on the planet, who as the owner of the Washington Post is responsible for the informational catastrophe that hit the United States, is the first to go to the financial fire.

    I’m talking about Jeff Bezos, who not only created the Blue Origin aerospace company, but also the Amazon company, which will not only burn to hell if Trump raises the cost of postal services for Amazon to a level that everyone else pay, and not just Hillary Clinton’s friends, at the times when she manages the White House, but he will also have to return all that money he earned by making illegal contributions to the Clinton Foundation.

    But for this, Trump will have to prove that Hillary Clinton really overthrew President Obama several times, and a number of Obama’s orders were issued without his participation or even knowing.

    By the way, Jeff Bezos was on the anniversary of Ralph Lauren, which I offered to your attention as a world symposium of the Black World Project, and it was evident from this gathering that he is VERY far from the first place in this Black hierarchy.

    And the only practical consequence for Russia will be new sanctions, but only the main target of these sanctions will not be President Putin, but Prime Minister Medvedev, and judging by the date of publication of this letter, it was it that persuaded Hillary Clinton to go pedal to the metal and translate the clash with Trump from the political plane into the religious.


    Rather, it was always that way, just that the Hillary’s flying monkeys considered it necessary to disguise their religious interests with financial and political, but after the “betrayal” of these interests by Mitch McConnell and Rod Rosenstein, the truth got out on the surface and the different interpretations of Apocalypse entered into an open battle.

    And when Trump was discussing the relationship between Orthodoxy and globalism with Archbishop Demetrios of America and Putin was saving his ass from arrest by valley-testing nuclear missiles, Russian patriots discussed whether the killing of Tsar Nicholas the Second was ritual or not and in the next post I will describe the fatal role that the outburst of anti-Semitism on the Russian Internet played in the split of the world Orthodoxy.

    • “I will not hide from you that I have no idea about the reason for the failure of Hillary Clinton on September 28.”

      So modest, from such a font of wisdom.

      I hope you don’t go blind from all the potato vodka

      • FincaInTheMountains October 14, 2018 at 1:09 pm #

        potato vodka?! how dare you! ONLY pure 180 proof sugar-cane alcohol!

        • Walter B October 14, 2018 at 7:13 pm #

          It would appear that Little Dickey has some serious anger issues.

    • AKlein October 15, 2018 at 7:09 am #

      Small wonder that the Russians excel at chess. I will need to read your post several times to (maybe) understand it. As I attempt to absorb your explanation of current events, I wonder to myself, is this sort of machination as you describe found only in “advanced” societies? Do opposing Bantu tribes in the deepest, darkest part of Africa also engage in such clever, intricate intrigue? Do they also see human existence as the monumental battle between the opposing forces of the light and darkness?

  75. bibliomaniac October 14, 2018 at 1:01 pm #

    JohnAZ: I agree with you completely that there has to be a sane immigration policy in this country and that we had better hop to it. No, we don’t need millions more immigrants in the US–but we have to be more intelligent about how we prevent it.


    Google it. The billions of tons of concrete such a wall would require would create an ecological apocalypse, spewing so much CO2 and other pollutants into the atmosphere that the southern US would soon become a desert, major wildlife species would be condemned to extinction, rivers necessary for farming, commerce and wildlife would be bound up and die, and the US taxpayer would be at least 22 billion dollars out of pocket.

    You are an intelligent person–I can tell by reading your posts–so I would like to change your mind on this.


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    • FincaInTheMountains October 14, 2018 at 1:07 pm #


      … or by someone who wants to cut at least in half the amount of deadly opioids entering the American market.

      • janet October 14, 2018 at 1:58 pm #

        The “deadly opioids” will stop “entering the American market” when Americans stop buying them. Presto chango, a wall is not necessary and no more drugs cross the border.

        • JohnAZ October 14, 2018 at 3:07 pm #

          Yeah right! What do you suggest is the way to stop drug usage here. Everything the Left does in this country encourages drug usage and dependency. The wall is the ONLY way to dent the drug trade, all enforcement folks know it and that is why the Deep State, both sides, want the wall stopped. Think about the main points of wall resistance, right where drug usage is big time. Hollywood, no. 1. Washington, DC no. 2.

    • “The wall” isn’t of course, a wall, and shouldn’t be. In some places, its appropriate. Everyone understands this.

      Technological, it will be: AI and human operator driven technological defensive systems pioneered in the middle eastern war zones, adapted for the current reality. No one will be able to cross without being monitored. This will of course involve all the best long-range spy stuff. Drones, satellites, imagery, etc. Israeli friends will supply the best underground tunnel detection systems. It will be a great wall, and wildlife will be able to pass unimpeded.

      • SoftStarLight October 14, 2018 at 1:37 pm #

        Yep, and it is funny how detractors always attack personal intelligence, etc. But we understand their head games :-).

        • GreenAlba October 14, 2018 at 1:56 pm #

          “Yep, and it is funny how detractors always attack personal intelligence, etc.”

          I think both sides have to accept guilt on that one. The word ‘libtard’ has a certain currency on here too 🙂 .

          • SoftStarLight October 14, 2018 at 2:58 pm #

            All is fair in love and war :-).

          • SoftStarLight October 14, 2018 at 3:22 pm #

            Sorry Ms. Alba but the White middle and working classes are tired of being the NWO punching bag. So it’s going to come to an end.

          • GreenAlba October 14, 2018 at 4:20 pm #

            That was weird, SSL – it was as if you changed into a different person between 2.58pm and 3.22pm 🙂

            I had to look up NWO – I lose track of the abbrevations on here, some of which are much more common on your side of the pond.

            “The New World Order or NWO is claimed to be an emerging clandestine totalitarian world government by various conspiracy theories.”

            Right. Noted. 🙂

          • Walter B October 14, 2018 at 5:02 pm #

            The NWO or One World Government idea is not such a conspiratorial theorist’s dream GA if you have the opportunity to discuss global trade and shipping with international businessmen. I worked for a 200 year old publishing house and dealt with directors on a first name basis for 20 years. Shipping products around the globe is not that easy. Dealing with all of the different governments and agencies involved, even if on the up and up is cumbersome and expensive. If you have to pay off some of the people you deal with , it gets even more expensive. A lot of these businessmen would love to have a single world government entity to not only streamline their product movement but reduce their costs and increase profits substantially. Besides, the United Nations was set up to act as a One World Government in the first place and the foundation for a true One World Government in the end, Oh there are many people that would love to see this come about I assure you. Will they get it done? Who knows, but they are certainly working on it.

          • SoftStarLight October 14, 2018 at 5:11 pm #

            Hey what can I say I get passionate :-). I try my best not to be rude. But one must also be firm. NWO has actually been around a long time. The Devil goes by many names.

          • GreenAlba October 14, 2018 at 6:12 pm #

            “Besides, the United Nations was set up to act as a One World Government in the first place ”

            I think there’s a difference between setting up an organisation to enable world governments – plural – to work together towards ends that benefit everyone and a single World Government, whatever such an organisation may or may not be considered to have morphed into. I know it’s never been popular in the US.

            And I’m not suggesting for a minute that their general competence or efficacy in that regard is exactly exemplary. It’s often been cumbersome and slow to act on crises that could have benefited from a more agile approach.

            But as you point out yourself, everything we humans try is going to be less than perfect. We do need some global bodies that enable us to talk to one another on matters that concern us all. And the UN, like it’s predecessor, the short-lived League of Nations, was created with good intentions, primarily the promotion of peace.

            I always take your stories of business and political dealings at face value, Walter, and am perfectly aware that many ‘players’ are, well, playing US. The degree of co-ordination is perhaps up for debate, although I certainly don’t claim to have a bird’s-eye view on any of it.

            I had actually heard ‘New World Order’ used on a number of occasions, but needed reminding when seeing the abbreviation. Such theories are certainly more prevalent over your way – I have never heard the expression used over here – ever. But then I’m possibly not checking out the right websites!

          • GreenAlba October 14, 2018 at 6:14 pm #


            We can all be out of order on here from time to time, but I don’t think equating any of us to the New World Order is going to get us anywhere. It’s just a discussion board.

          • Walter B October 14, 2018 at 6:21 pm #

            Yes SSL the Eternal Battle of Evil vs.. Good, Satan vs. God is something that you and I could talk about all day and night, but I would not do it here on this forum. While all works of man are indeed flawed, the technologies that now exist certainly would facilitate a single station control over the whole world if not now, then soon. However, those who would argue that this could never be possible have such strong arguments as to why it cannot ever take place that I would not care to argue with them over the possibility. Time will prove one of us to be correct and I am a patient man.

          • GreenAlba October 15, 2018 at 7:16 am #

            “God is something that you and I could talk about all day and night, but I would not do it here on this forum.”

            In a German forest or by the Scottish coast in the Western Highlands, perhaps, Walter – I will provide the picnic for you and your wife 🙂 . My husband can walk the dog(s) as he won’t discuss religion (educated partly by the Christian Brothers in Ireland and not a fan).

            As an aside, my daughter currently in the land of no chewing gum tells me she now has a German boyfriend over there – having received this news after your mention of hardwood forests and the German spirit, I wonder how he is faring in the land of pretend trees.


            Re your other point, I certainly don’t argue that anything CAN’T take place. Literally ANYTHING can take place in terms of human organisation. And the degradation of human organisation.

    • elysianfield October 14, 2018 at 1:34 pm #


      Google it. The billions of tons of concrete such a wall would require would create an ecological apocalypse, spewing so much CO2 and other pollutants into the atmosphere….

      You are an intelligent person–I can tell by reading your posts–so I would like to change your mind on this.


      Relax…we’ll have the Chinese build it….

      Fuck ’em….

      • Walter B October 14, 2018 at 6:28 pm #

        I never thought that Donald Trump was planning on building an actual wall because like him or not, walls never work and I would assume that he knows this too. Will a wall stop illegal immigration? What about boating around the border or Canada or airplanes? I think that the “Wall” is a way of saying let’s enforce immigration laws. Of course, if you are really wanted to keep the masses staying in their home countries all you have to do is make their homelands better than they currently are. Or you can make it so crappy here that they would not want to come here either. THAT is what they are working on if you ask me.

        • Janos Skorenzy October 14, 2018 at 7:24 pm #

          The San Diego Wall has greatly reduced crime. Look into it. Israel uses Walls. Are they stupid? I think India uses one against Muslim East Bengal. Hungary against the Muslim invaders, etc.

          They work – as part of a total self defense Plan. Not in isolation in other words or apart from the Men who must man them. C’mon Walt….

          • Walter B October 14, 2018 at 8:48 pm #

            So the massive tunnels underneath the walls are not working?

          • K-Dog October 14, 2018 at 9:51 pm #

            San Diego Wall has greatly reduced crime is bullshit

            The San Diego Wall has greatly reduced crime. A little dab’ll do ya. I do not like green eggs and ham.

            Wanna cross for a taco. We can take the $5 rowboat. I’ll pay.

    • JohnAZ October 14, 2018 at 2:47 pm #

      Gee, the Boulder Dam and Glen Canyon dam were both built with no ecological impact. We have concrete roads all over the place, no CO 2 bubble. But the PU trucks and SUVs definitely using those highways definitely contribute. The wall is not a fix all for immigration, but it spells part of the job for the Border Patrol so that they will be more effective in stopping the crossing. 22 billion dollars is pocket change, you are obviously an open border advocate. The wall would pay for itself with reduced costs of surveillance.

      • bibliomaniac October 14, 2018 at 3:15 pm #

        Nope, JohnAZ, I am not an open border advocate. I agree we do not need more immigrants, especially not, as Finca notes, drug dealers.
        I just think there must be a better way to do this that does not cause so much earthly damage. If StarLight is right, and it could be done with technology and little ecological damage, I am all for it.

        And some of you need to know that just because I commented that i thought JohnAZ is intelligent, does not mean that I think the rest of you are not. I’m not on this site for a fight.

        I really don’t care if you think I am a fool–I’ve made a fool of myself for money in front of thousands of people for years–

        Just trying to get us to think rationally about how to deal with immigration.

        • SoftStarLight October 14, 2018 at 3:24 pm #

          We can do it right! I still believe in America!

        • Janos Skorenzy October 14, 2018 at 7:26 pm #

          We need a cyber wall as well – such as e-verify. And of course, we must arrest businessmen and farmers who hire these invaders. They are Scum. They must be vilified and ruined, not just fined and jailed.

          • Tate October 14, 2018 at 9:13 pm #

            Don’t forget the revocation of birthright citizenship to prevent the anchor baby tourism & also the chain immigration of whole extended clans of hajis, etc. based on the anchor baby tourism.

      • GreenAlba October 14, 2018 at 4:38 pm #


        The cement industry is the third-largest source of anthropogenic emissions of carbon dioxide after fossil fuels and land use change…


        • K-Dog October 14, 2018 at 10:01 pm #

          Further into the abstract.

          We show that global process
          emissions in 2016 were 1.45±0.20 Gt CO2, equivalent to about 4 % of emissions from fossil fuels. Cumulative emissions from 1928 to 2016 were 39.3±2.4 Gt CO2, 66 % of which have occurred since 1990.

          4 % of emissions from fossil fuels is the takeaway.

  76. janet October 14, 2018 at 2:09 pm #

    “It will be a great wall, and wildlife will be able to pass unimpeded.”

    Those who will be “unimpeded” are overstays. Since 2000, arrivals from Mexico, who are about 85-90 percent “entries without inspection,” have plummeted, while overstays have increased. Forty percent (40%) of all immigrants come by plane and they overstay their visas. A wall will do nothing to stop that. Neither will American or Israeli technology.

    The rationale for building a wall between the United States and Mexico is that some people believe the idea that illegal immigration is fundamentally a problem of a porous southern border. The 40 percent overstay figure highlights that the southern border is not the problem. The wall is a waste of taxpayer dollars.

    • JohnAZ October 14, 2018 at 2:58 pm #

      C’mon Janet. 1200 folks heading here from Honduras will be a major issue in two weeks. If the wall was in place, the people conning these people to make the risky trip could not get away with it. The goal needs to be stopping them before they cross, to avoid the legal mess that the Feds have gotten us into.

      Overstays are legit, what is your suggestion to eliminate them. Should we have higher surveillance to send them home when they are supposed to go? I agree with that absolutely. Let us start tomorrow.

      Everyone knows that Orientals entering illegally has surpassed Latinos the last few years? Entry point, California of course. Interesting idea, let us divide California in half, and give the south back to Mexico and give the Noth to China. All three countries would win, China, Mexico and the USA.

    • There are 13,000 kids between 12-17 in a tent city not far from El Paso.

      Taxpayers are paying $750 a night per resident, or, a $3.5 billion a year problem.

      Like climate change, the problem can scale, and quickly. So we need to take care of that. We need to discourage future behavior. Right now its abominable we’ve created a gigantic black market and criminal enterprise across the Americas just because we’ve treated this as a non-problem for so long.

      As for visa-overstays, &etc., Trump should appoint Mitt Romney to implement his “self-deportation” master plan with a strict time limit and see if its possible not to have to build concentration camps. Maybe make some phone calls to Kavanaugh & co. and Get ‘er done.

  77. JohnAZ October 14, 2018 at 3:19 pm #

    Just a thought. Will it be a historical moment when the amount of deaths or accidents from autonomous cars equals the general public? Is this when AI will be just as stupid as human beings?

  78. Janos Skorenzy October 14, 2018 at 3:30 pm #


    Attn Black Irishman Sean Coalman and Black Body Canadian, “Kesa”.

    The last words of Andrew Jackson, I will see all of you, both Black and White, in heaven.

    And people think Racism is about hate! It’s about Love….

  79. Janos Skorenzy October 14, 2018 at 3:36 pm #

    Has Q become a Priest? Perhaps a very late vocation among the Stigmatine Fathers? He’ll be known as the Motorcycle Priest, wearing a black cassock instead of a black leather jacket.

    • elysianfield October 14, 2018 at 7:30 pm #

      Unsubstantiated rumor has it that Q has started his own motorcycle gang…called the “Pirates of Pedants MC”…they dress like pirates, require at least a doctorate to pledge the club, and it is rumored that they will hunt down and without warning assault those without a valid library card.

  80. Tate October 14, 2018 at 4:36 pm #

    Stephen Fry went to Brazil & interjiewed Jair Bolsanaro. All he said was that Fry wouldn’t be welcome at his Straight Pride Parade & then Fry goes away complaining it was the “most chilling” interjiew he’d ever conducted. Should people be welcome anywhere they show up? Only if they’re not hetero-normative non-Hispanic White males, it would appear. Any of such complexion & toxic masculinity, OTOH, need to be keenly aware to check their white male privilege whenever they show up. Wear a skirt & matching pussy hat with a sign around your neck proclaiming, “Kick me for reparations!” Some say Balls-in-aero is the Brazilian Donald Trump, but those in the know, know he’s really the Brazilian Duterte. If Trump can’t be him, he can at least worship from afar, LOL, triggering & sending the special snowflakes into ever greater volumes of delirious denunciations.

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    • Janos Skorenzy October 14, 2018 at 7:19 pm #

      Up the Stormer!

      • janet October 14, 2018 at 7:24 pm #

        Snowflakes united become an avalanche.

  81. Tate October 14, 2018 at 5:37 pm #

    The wheels of the law may turn slowly, but will they ever turn to the matter of Hillary’s role in the Deep State coup attempt, she who apparently cannot be prosecuted because that would be “imbued with sexism,” as she now claims was evident in her debate with Donald Trump.

    If you don’t let Hillary win, you are sexist,
    And there can be no civility until she does.

  82. trypillian October 14, 2018 at 7:10 pm #

    It’s really and truely sad when tragedy happens locally, witness the deaths in faulty transportation service because you can’t even regulate large vehicle licencing and safety. Road hazards were manifest via poor sightlines at the intersection (sight triangles in traffice engineering parlance) and improper signage.The systemic chicanery nationally will also blow up in your own backyard.

  83. janet October 14, 2018 at 7:41 pm #

    “what is your suggestion to eliminate them” –JohnAZ

    My suggestion is to welcome legal immigrants and to welcome illegal immigrants, embrace all of them, legalize them, love them. That has always been my suggestion. It has never changed.

    People like Jeff Sessions use the Bible as an alibi to engage in all manner of dreadful behavior. You know, that passage in Romans 13 Sessions cites was once used to justify slavery in the run-up to the Civil War. The South Africans used it to legitimize apartheid. And even Hitler referenced it as a predicate for the Holocaust.

    Do these people actually endorse ripping children away from their parents and setting up childrens’ concentration camps in border states?

    Whatever happened to the Republican Party and all that blather about family values and how much they love the children and how the children are our future. And now they are locking up four-year-olds because their parents wanted to escape from gang violence, or abject poverty, or domestic abuse to seek a better life?

    Welcome all immigrants, with or without papers, embrace all of them, legalize them, love them. We are a country founded by immigrants seeking religious freedom, defended in our wars by immigrants, built by immigrants, maintained by immigrants, identified in our diversity by immigrants. E Pluribus Unum. One nation from many.

    • Cavepainter October 14, 2018 at 9:05 pm #

      Uh huh; national destiny defaults to however many foreign nationals choose to defy our sovereignty and laws legislated and enacted by congress on behalf of the will of the sovereign citizenry as expressed through elected representation. Essentially, you advocate sedition, annulling our democratic republic, therewith the exclusivity of citizen entitlement. Janet, you and your like should be stripped of your citizenship for such advocacy, and….I would hope, be deported.

      BTW, what is the square footage of you domicile per occupant since you placed the yard sign declaring no limit to number of illegal families welcome to share your “white privileged” life style.

      • janet October 15, 2018 at 12:30 am #

        “BTW, what is the square footage of your domicile per occupant…” –cavepainter

        Typical bleeding heart liberal wanting to make immigrants dependent by living in someone else’s home… maybe cleaning and keeping the yard nice?

        No, I want immigrants who come here, by any means necessary, to receive education, the right to vote, employment and an income that allows them to raise their families and have their own place to live, same as you.

      • janet October 15, 2018 at 12:53 am #

        cavepainter, you need to learn the meaning of “citizenry”

        A citizen is defined by the city where you live, where you dwell… in other words you are a citizen you choose to live here, not in a city in Europe or Africa. Citizenry has to do with geographic place, not national boundaries.

        Word Origin and History for citizen. early 14c., “inhabitant of a city,” from Anglo-French citezein (spelling subsequently altered, probably by influence of denizen), from Old French citeien “city-dweller, town-dweller, citizen” (12c., Modern French citoyen), from cite (see city) + -ain (see -ian).

        • pequiste October 15, 2018 at 9:59 am #

          Mention that to the airline’s staff as you try to check-in for your international flight without a valid passport.

          Tell that to the immigration officer when you arrive by train at Singapore, crossing from Johore Baru, Malaysia, without any passport. One might risk bastinado.

          Or, to border guards, when caught trying to sneak (as you would probably like to say is the best way to travel,) into a foreign country.

          Janet was thinking and using the term “resident” all this time.

          What a maroon.

  84. janet October 14, 2018 at 8:02 pm #

    Trump is making Democrats excited about voting in a midterm election. And by doing that, Trump may actually make the Democratic Party great again.

    A new Washington Post poll released Sunday echoes what we saw in a CNN poll last week: Democratic voters are revved about voting in the 2018 election. It found that in terms of enthusiasm to vote this November, Democrats are at 81%/ In 2014, Democratic excitement to vote was at only 63%. It’s now up by a whopping 18 points!

    Thank you Mr. Trump!

    • FincaInTheMountains October 15, 2018 at 5:53 am #

      Democrats have been predicting the big, blue wave for months now as the outcome of the mid-term elections just 24 days from today.
      However, just as happened 2 years ago, the polls are suddenly shifting towards the red. Why?

      As we explained 2 years ago, most pollsters lean left, but try to hide it. They can easily and non-transparently manipulate the outcomes of their polls simply by adjusting their skews.

      There are many ways to skew polls.

      Today, the Washington Examiner illuminated one method – under-sampling. In this case, mainstream polls have been using 29% more Democrats to create their results than Republicans. Well, that’s one way.

      A bit more subtle is predicting turnouts of the two parties on election day. So what if one pollster predicts a 56% turnout for Republicans while another predicts a 48% turnout? However, there are dozens of other really complex ways to do this.

      However, these fictitious polls have one big problem.

      On election day, they have to do their best to actually predict the real outcome because that’s the number their sales staff will trumpet for the next year.

      They can say anything they want to in order to sway the American public one way or the other until the morning of election day. Then they have to actually tell the truth as best as they can.


  85. FincaInTheMountains October 15, 2018 at 6:29 am #

    I tend to agree with this in a more general way. The way that Russia is always and outsider and always treated with suspicion is in my opinion a religious issue at root. The guilt of the heterodox leads to such feelings.
    Wasn’t it St. Vladimir the Russian prince who said it was better to go under Moslem rule than Roman Catholic, as they would not survive the latter?
    == Sofia

    It was not St. Vladimir, who baptised the Rus, it was St. Alexander Nevsky.

    The evil deeds of Crusaders during the Fourth Crusade were such that even 40 years after them, the Holy Blessed Prince Alexander Nevsky preferred to swear allegiance to Khan Batu (a famous humanist, no less!), only to be able to resist the crusaders in the West.

    Alexander Nevsky receiving papal legates:

    I can only once again lament the fact that so few people in Russia and US know the history of art and continue to think that painting is an excuse for rich ladies to coo in salons, while art history is perhaps the only way to understand not only historical facts, but also to feel how their contemporaries reacted to them, that is, to understand their essence.

    And in this regard, I recall how in the 15th century, the Christians of Western Europe, faced with the same problems as we are today, were saved from the despair that seized the people of Europe after the Fourth Crusade, Albigensian Crusade, Northern Crusade, etc. and the like, creating a whole culture of works of art about Christ, tentatively called the Mousetrap, the most famous works in this series being “The Annunciation” by Robert Campin and Shakespeare’s “Hamlet”.

    In this culture, they reflected their shock, which they experienced, finally realizing the horror that Hell had experienced, a place of complete lack of God, finding at the time of its seemingly final triumph and victory, that the death agony of Christ, with which it was so happy, was a raw mousetrap, and Hell got caught in it like the most stupid rat.

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  86. FincaInTheMountains October 15, 2018 at 6:54 am #

    We are now experiencing the completion and, accordingly, the beginning of a historical cycle that is significantly longer than 100 years. This is NOT another economic cycle, about which various Nobel laureates speak tirelessly, this is the so-called Great Indiction (a period of 532 years), and personally I do not cease to be surprised at how literally the history of the Great Indiction begins to repeat.

    Roughly speaking, we now again live in the era of Knightly Orders that ruled the world after the fall of Constantinople, often ignoring the interests of their home states.

    Both the Clinton axis, and the Bush axis, and the Right Sector in Ukraine, and ISIS, the NSDAP, and the Communist Party of USSR (for good reason, Stalin spoke of the Order of the Sword) are all Knightly Orders that easily overcome state borders, while having resources comparable with superpowers.

    Moreover, conflicts between states are often only cover for conflicts between the Orders.

    And do not confuse orders with world projects and transnational corporations. TNC interests are mainly commercial, while world projects are mainly social, although of course both those and others have, let’s say, spiritual interests.

    But spirits are different and spiritual interests are different too. For this, Christians are given the ability to distinguish between spirits, but TNCs and world projects in spirits are confused, and they always underestimate: their interest in them is purely utilitarian, for them spirit is a means, not an end. But for Orders – the goal.

    By the way, these Orders arose in one way or another around those or other Christian shrines that the Crusaders stole in Constantinople during the Fourth Crusade, the most famous of which is the Shroud of Turin.

    And life has shown that the possession of such a shrine is a burden that will be heavier than the direct involvement in the atrocities of the Fourth Crusade.


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