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693 Responses to “Going Where, Exactly?”

  1. Neon Vincent June 7, 2019 at 10:21 am #

    Welcome to the world of Nothing But Flowers, the Talking Heads song about a post-industrial America. At least I know what song to sing when I read this essay.

    • elysianfield June 7, 2019 at 11:32 am #

      You are merely whistling past the grave yard.


      • dfnslblty June 7, 2019 at 5:31 pm #


        The money IS “there”! – the upper 10% must be taxed in proportion to the others.
        Ed & Med are the nascar and bouncyball and teevee to keep the oppressed in place.
        Satisfied folk do not injure themselves nor do they escape into addictions.

        • chipshot June 8, 2019 at 6:53 am #

          Agreed, dfnslblty. Except I would say the upper 1%, w extra emphasis on the .1%.

          Also, move money away from Defense and put it towards infrastructure, Med 4 All, and education.

          • wolfbay June 8, 2019 at 8:39 am #

            Take everything from the .1% and we can cover the Federal budget for 6 months. Income inequality is a big problem but we’re broke in aggregate. As long as the FED is right and we can keep increasing public, private, and corporate debt forever they may be able to keep the economy expanding. Don’t count on it.

          • chipshot June 8, 2019 at 3:31 pm #

            Just b/c heavily taxing the rich won’t solve our budget woes doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be done. At the very least people should be prevented from acquiring so much wealth that their unearned income far surpasses working people’s earned income. Otherwise the .1% will only get richer and richer, and yes, that comes at the expense of everyone else.

            But you’re correct in that we’re broke in aggregate.
            Slashing the Defense budget would help address that.

        • toktomi June 9, 2019 at 2:03 am #

          The Universe does not run on money.

          The Universe runs on energy.

          The energy IS NOT there!

          • Majella June 9, 2019 at 6:33 pm #

            The universe (and everything else) runs on energy.

            But toktomi, the energy IS there – the problem is a lack of an ability to efficiently access it, or convert it into a useable form.

            We have feasted on fossil fuels, which are simply converted sunlight, concentrated over unthinkable millions of years and are paying the double consequences – a run-up in the cost of extraction and a coincidental run-down in the health of the planet.

            A switch to efficient clean renewable energy is the only thing that might possibly save us. The Cassandras are perfectly happy to spout the perceived wisdom that ‘renewables will never do it for us’ and perhaps they’re right, but that should not deter us from seeking a solution.

      • wwg1wga June 7, 2019 at 6:39 pm #

        Flowers cover everything.



    • K-Dog June 7, 2019 at 11:57 am #

      Neon, You made me read Jerry Pournelle’s “The Mote in God’s Eye.” but you are not going to make me like that song. It makes me feel like I’m on a cruise ship and I have never been on a cruise ship in my life.

    • wwg1wga June 7, 2019 at 12:17 pm #

      Still light.



      • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 12:59 pm #

        I have never seen “humanity”, much less a human. I have seen Whites, Blacks, Chinese, etc. Or even Americans, Frenchmen, Nigerians, Chinese, etc.

        JFK was ridiculous in some ways. And now the swarthy men and orcs feast in the White Tower of Camelot. He challenged the Masters and he lost.

  2. thenuttyneutron June 7, 2019 at 10:23 am #

    What is the carrying capacity of the USA if human and animal labor had to replace fossil fuel powered machines?

    This is important because to transition to the world you think we are headed to won’t happen peacefully.

    • Zoltar June 7, 2019 at 10:32 am #

      Neutron: you might want to sit down first. One barrel of crude oil (~42 gallons) equals the energy expended in approximately twenty-five thousand man-hours, equivalent to about eleven years of forty-hour work weeks.

      • Exscotticus June 7, 2019 at 10:53 am #

        I’m going to drop off a barrel of oil at work right now and take an eleven-year paid holiday.

        • TiredOfTheTreadmill June 7, 2019 at 12:52 pm #

          I like your thinking on that. I think I’ll do the same thing.

          However, what this really shows is that technology can go only so far. Even in this world of overflowing electronic and plastic gizmos, humans still have to show up and grunt for a vast amount of work to still get done (although the world likely would be better off if much f that “work” never got done). It’s not exactly the easy living, science fiction future we’ve been told about over the years. In fact, most working people are scrambling more than ever just to barely stay afloat, off the streets, out of bankruptcy, etc… There are major disconnects between the myths we are sold and reality. Yet the myths will prevail until cold, ugly reality finally obliterates them.

          • chipshot June 8, 2019 at 6:50 am #

            True, Treadmill. And one of those myths is the rich are the most productive, as well as job creators. Truth is they are the biggest takers, as their massive unearned income is money taken from working people.

            At best they are job providers, not creators. Consumers are job creators. The rich don’t “create” jobs anymore than grocery stores “create food”. Farmers, w a major assist from nature, create food.

      • BackRowHeckler June 7, 2019 at 4:21 pm #

        Wow. And in the USA we’re burning thru 20 million bpd.

        20 million!


      • toktomi June 9, 2019 at 2:13 am #

        From what I’ve read in the past across numerous sites, the range is estimated to be from 50 to 300 person-hours of labor equivalent per gallon of liquid fossil fuel.

        You are using around 600.

        But regardless of the precise number, industrial human society is a massive but transient energy welfare state. The stuff is passed out virtually free. Talk about a socialism.

    • Ol' Scratch June 7, 2019 at 10:38 am #

      About what it was the last time we used such methods. 23M (1850), give or take. Roughly 7.4% (a 92.5% reduction) of our 2010 Census figure of 308M, which was likely under counted. I think I’ve heard that 330M is closer to the mark now, so that changes the figures to 6.9% and 93%, respectively. Meaning 93 out of every 100 people would have to step off. Sobering.


      • Mountain gal June 7, 2019 at 11:12 am #

        Yes, that’s about the number that has routinely been predicted would perish if the US were to experience a major disruption such as an EMP taking out the power or a serious pandemic. Most reports I’ve seen predict about 90% perishing in the first year. But in truth, the number of those remaining is closer to what we could likely manage to feed without the use of extensive quantities of fossil fuels.

        • michael June 7, 2019 at 11:18 am #

          Let us not forget that the remainder won’t be able to service the fuel rods and nuke plants. The situation will then become a bit radioactive.
          Maybe this is exactly what is needed to speed up the mutation rate so intelligent life can emerge on this planet.

          • Ol' Scratch June 7, 2019 at 11:23 am #

            Good points! Once you start pulling all the strings, an overnight power down scenario is TRULY frightening.

          • roccofire June 7, 2019 at 5:27 pm #

            Excellent thoughts, when I became a volunteer firefighter and ems, I “saw” the numerous chemical plants operations , train cars that carry all sorts of chemical goodies as well,in my town and was shocked, and a nuclear power plant 25 miles a away, all these operations need continuous support and maintenance, the Walking Dead always left that part out.

        • elysianfield June 7, 2019 at 11:58 am #

          “. But in truth, the number of those remaining is closer to what we could likely manage to feed without the use of extensive quantities of fossil fuels.”


          Most would die of disease due to lack of sanitation, lack of running water, and criminal predation. Do not discount the end of the bayonet by which order would be achieved in the population centers.

          Consider that the weakness of Capitalism is the failure to equitably distribute….

        • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 1:08 pm #

          And on the way down, who gets to eat and who doesn’t? Which ten percent makes it? Yours, right?

          Diversity+Proximity+Radical Scarcity=Bosnia x Rwanda.
          Bosnia x Rwanda=War to the Knife+Cannibalism

          • Q. Shtik June 7, 2019 at 4:09 pm #

            What a bunch of worry warts. The DOW just tacked on another 263 points……er…dollars.

          • roccofire June 7, 2019 at 5:34 pm #

            My town once rural, then became a burb and now becoming the inner city. The police are stretched thin, the gangs outman and outgun the cops according to the FBI and New York wants to disarm the citizens. I prep but as I look around my neighborhood we are defenseless against the criminals around us, and working in the emergency department, oh boy the press does not tell you all the full range of physical violence out there, but what me worry!

          • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 6:32 pm #

            Gosh I never knew math could be so frightening. So take diversity out of the equations and you solve the problems right? If I am right I hope you will give me an A.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 7:53 pm #

            Yes A is A, the beginning of sanity. Diversity is the constant, the social Doomsday Device. We’ll have trouble enough without courting it. Whites fight other Whites all the time after all….

      • doggersize June 7, 2019 at 11:56 am #

        Our population in 1850 was low because we were slowly settling a nearly empty continent. China had 300 million people in 1800, and arguably a higher average standard of living than the average European.

        We have enough resources to maintain most of what is important most of the time. Resources are cheap and plentiful, so most of our financial and economic conventions rely on blowing through them as quickly as possible. 1950s American automobiles are the simplest example of that.

        • Ol' Scratch June 7, 2019 at 3:02 pm #

          Most of which will rapidly be desettled again. Absent fossil fuels, most of the mountain west in uninhabitable. That’s another very important point.

          • draupnir June 7, 2019 at 5:29 pm #

            Not to mention that we’ve mostly lost the knowledge to accomplish the necessary tasks without modern machinery. I think most of the millennials will simply turn their faces to the wall and die without their cell phones. Most have never done a day’s manual labor in their lives.

          • doggersize June 8, 2019 at 4:45 am #

            what about 70 percent of the current level of fossil fuels?

      • lbs June 7, 2019 at 3:39 pm #

        I was going to estimate 20 million, just based on gut feel. Looks like there’s real data to support a number in that ballpark

        • Ol' Scratch June 7, 2019 at 5:43 pm #


      • peter m June 8, 2019 at 4:29 am #

        What if..another conspiracy theory based on the current state of the world

        The current situation of depletion of resources, the threat of global warming and the inability of the planetary resources to bear the demands of an ever increasing population, the unabating increase in wealth of a small group of already immensely wealthy people – all well known and factual – lead to the conclusions by a small group of oligarchs worldwide:
        The planet with the current load of population and their demands is under threat, the current model and mode of production, creating wealth and wealth distribution does neither work nor is it sustainable.
        We have at our demand available all resources and have accumulated wealth sufficient that we control almost all the worlds production
        We with the means that are available to us can radically change the current situation of over population.
        Therefore we decide:
        The vast majority of the people not of our class is superfluous.
        We do no longer need to increase our wealth with gains based on the debt slavery and production by hired labour
        We substitute any needed labour with AI sufficient to produce what we need for a sustainable life in comparable luxury with non human labour, demanding no food or space.
        We save on energy, free up space for the regrowth of forests and undisturbed wilderness and reduction of CO2 sufficiently to curb global warming to prevent the ecosystem we rely on from collapsing.
        We keep those of the population needed for research into further development of AI so it becomes ever more autonomous, research into diseases threatening the remainder of humanity and research into agricultural projects to with increasing efficiency needing ever less human interference keep food production viable and continuous for the remainders.
        What if that is the goal of talks about overpopulation being a real threat – but with different goals than those not of the oligarch class?
        I have harboured those thoughts for some time now, but after reading the following article, there seems to be some reason to think maybe there actually is some driving force behind the current developments, and to assume a conspiracy against the worlds majority – the 99% – is actually in the works.

        Those thoughts seem to have some validity confirmed by reading this:

        • Majella June 9, 2019 at 6:41 pm #

          “The Creature From Jekyll Island” by G. Edward Griffin supposes a similar long-term agenda in its final chapters, surrounding the supposed “Report from Iron Mountain”, apparently debunked, but then again…

          The RFIM also proposes that, with the end of the Soviet bloc, the west would need new ‘enemies’ on which to focus. These were projected to be

          a) an environmental disaster (AGW? though not specified as such) and
          b) the rise of Islam

          hmm…curious. Then, of course, some TRUE conspiracy nutters took it a step further (Alex Jones et al) and are predicting a ‘faked’ invasion by alients. Go figure…

      • toktomi June 9, 2019 at 2:24 am #

        “1850”, back when the soil was deep, rich, and clean, back when clean water was abundant, back when wildlife was diverse and abundant, and back when the atmosphere and climate were not conspiring to eradicate all macrofauna.

        I “know” a place where reportedly 300 indigenous folks resided relying upon, among other food sources, the bygone presence of bison, antelope, and fields of camus that now is home to a quarter of a million souls,

    • hmuller June 7, 2019 at 10:39 am #

      The US 1900 Census counted 76 million people. This was before fossil fuels (other than coal) powered transportation on a large scale.

      Transitioning back to such a lifestyle would be complicated by many factors all of which can be solved in time. But how many will starve during that time? Examples of transitioning problems:

      1) Lack of plough horses.
      2) The only ploughs are in museums
      3) How many trained blacksmiths do we have? How many of them can work without electricity and modern technology?
      4) How many Americans are willing to toil at hard physical labor on the land?

      By the way, I loved JHK’s 4 book series on this scenario and urge him to continue the story.

      • Mountain gal June 7, 2019 at 10:58 am #

        There are some who are still farming with horses; the Amish of course but also some non-Amish farmers. The skill set needed to do much of what we routinely used to do, or rather, what our ancestors used to do, is mostly lost. Most Americans are seriously overweight and in tough shape. They lack the physical ability to do real work as well as the skill set.

        I used to farm and routinely worked 80 hour weeks. Most people I know sit in offices in climate controlled comfort and work with computers. Even most farmers today, out in the Midwest grain farms, sit in their tractors and combines and do the work with those that would take a ton of horses and labor to equal. Not gonna happen.

        • hmuller June 7, 2019 at 11:09 am #

          Mt Gal,

          You raise some interesting points. I fear what will happen to the Amish. They’ll be targets when everyone else is out of food. As pacifists, their survival would depend on whether their neighbors protect them as valued guides and teachers to a new way of living – or leave them to the marauders.

          When men and women both sit in offices typing on computer keyboards, it’s easy to think gender differences are minor. In a world of physical labor where upper body strength is needed for some tasks – such perceptions change.

          • Mountain gal June 7, 2019 at 11:17 am #

            Completely true. Back in the pre Y2K days, there were all sorts on the internet who “joked” that if TSHTF, they were just heading over to the closest Mormon’s house. Mormon’s of course are counseled to keep at least a year of food stores etc. I don’t think they were really joking. If people were sensible they would value and treasure those in their community that actually know how to do real work but it’s far more likely that they would perish at the hands of those intent only on scavenging food for the short term. I for one am a whole lot more valuable alive and well and able to teach what I know but I won’t count on that if things get bad enough.

            And yes, men have the physical strength that I certainly don’t have. I value that for sure!

          • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 1:10 pm #

            The Amish will become the serfs of Black Gangs from Philladelphia until liberated by White Forces.

          • debt June 7, 2019 at 2:04 pm #

            The Amish, may I suggest, have considered this scenario. I’m willing to bet they have the guns and strategies to repel the EBTers from Philly who won’t be organized. But the Amish will be.

          • hmuller June 7, 2019 at 3:34 pm #

            Sounds like the plot to a movie:

            Narrator’s voice: It was the end of civilization. The country lay in smoldering ashes and ruins. Some of the boys from the hood thought they’d found an easy mark. But they never counted on “Amish Commando’s From Hell”.

          • debt June 7, 2019 at 5:15 pm #

            They do have guns. I’m sure they could block roads and set up a perimeter defense. Shoot just over their heads to send a message. And still be loyal to their pacifism.

      • Ol' Scratch June 7, 2019 at 11:09 am #

        1900 is WAY optimistic. Even my 1850 number above is a little on the rosy side. Coal’s mostly depleted now, especially without oil powered equipment to mine it. Same with the soil and water tables. Industrial farming, climate change, and fracking have all taken a major toll there. Not to mention that major population swings usually overshoot their eventual equilibrium by quite a lot on both the upside and the downside. We’d probably need a 10-20% reduction right now just to stabilize our current populations with the current resources we have, assuming no further future reductions.

        Then consider the inevitable roll back on medical, disease control, and life extending technologies, not to mention the effects of a newly harsh and difficult lifestyle on generations who have never known such hardships in their lifetimes and… you get my point.

        How bad could it get? REALLY, REALLY FUCKING BAD!

        • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 1:34 pm #

          Are you sure? I’ve heard we have centuries worth of Coal left – enough to create a Steam Punk Civilization. Your point as to whether we’d have the power to get it may well have some merit. Ditto soil, water, etc.

          • Ol' Scratch June 7, 2019 at 5:44 pm #

            Damn reply got lost!

      • neon sky June 7, 2019 at 11:16 am #

        I’ve vegetable gardened intensively for the last 40 years. From my experience, there is no way most Americans (90%?) would adapt to this kind of life. Working in the dirt in the hot sun, nope, not going to happen. A good chunk of them couldn’t physically do it, especially the the sick and the elderly. It takes physical energy and skill to grow food for yourself. Have you seen your average citizen lately? Do you think someone who has been on the couch watching freak shows on TV for years would be ready to get out the shovel and start turning the ground over, just like that? No.

        • Mountain gal June 7, 2019 at 11:20 am #

          Nope. Most of those would attempt to take what they needed by force. It wouldn’t be pretty. The rest would line up waiting for the government to help them.

          • JohnAZ June 7, 2019 at 11:34 am #

            The government dole is about to start drying up. The Feds policies to allow manufacturing to exit the US will be looked back on as the biggest blunder in human history. Our Liberal government has not just allowed it, they have promoted it.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 1:36 pm #

            Liberal Government, lol. They all wanted to get to get that cheap labor. Both Parties were happy for them. Capitalists are traitors to the bone. Why? Because Capitalism is amoral in and of itself, utterly unfit to be the ruling ethos of any society.

          • Q. Shtik June 7, 2019 at 4:43 pm #

            Why? Because Capitalism is amoral in and of itself, utterly unfit to be the ruling ethos of any society. – Janos


            You’re being ridiculous. You have a short memory. Do you recall a few weeks ago I said Capitalism was as natural as breathing, and like a law of physics like gravity. It simply cannot not be. You didn’t deny this. You simply concocted some reason that this is why it must be fought.

            Go back and find your very words. I’ll wait here. I don’t have the energy to do the research myself.

          • elysianfield June 7, 2019 at 6:56 pm #

            Capitalism, in its simplest form, is successful because it melds seamlessly with human activity…human ego, human desires, human’s innate covetousness….

          • elysianfield June 7, 2019 at 6:57 pm #

            Capitalism=Human Nature

          • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 7:57 pm #

            So why do have referees? Umpires? Judges? Courts? Prisons? As Madison said, if men were sages no Law would be necessary. But since they aren’t, it is.

            Natural isn’t the same as good. But luckily, Man has a higher nature as well….

          • Q. Shtik June 7, 2019 at 9:11 pm #

            Natural isn’t the same as good. – Janos


            Good luck with trying to change human nature.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 8, 2019 at 1:21 am #

            Change? Guide. Encourage. Pressure. Punish. Ultimately a man has to change himself, but good societies make it easier and bad ones, harder. Letting people be as selfish as they want to be is by definition, Bad.

          • GreenAlba June 8, 2019 at 7:43 am #

            “Natural isn’t the same as good. But luckily, Man has a higher nature as well….”

            Which is why we have regulations, in the best instances, to mitigate capitalism’s worst tendencies (which are basically to concentrate wealth in smaller and smaller numbers of successful people).

            Other regulations try to limit capitalists’ abilities to destroy nature and the environment that sustain us (the economy being a subset of the environment and not the other way round).

            Examples include the attempt to limit the use of fossil fuels, which you oppose, and regulations to limit the suffering of domestic animals used for food, another area where the UK and the EU are ahead of the US, but where the UK is going to have to capitulate to the kind of people who don’t care about the suffering of animals even though they claim to believe in the god that created them. Presumably not for humans to torture them, but what would I know?

        • JohnAZ June 7, 2019 at 11:32 am #

          Yeah, and do not forget that it is the cities that are the centers of population growth. Right, where all the homeless are collecting. So far, no big problems in the cities, Chicago is only killing 50 a week, California is a pit along with Colorado, Oregon and Washington.

          When the welfare state starts running out of money, the s—t is really going to hit the fans in these blue states.

          Stay away from the cities.

          • hmuller June 7, 2019 at 11:47 am #

            Yes, I imagine the great urban underclass will steal rather than labor until there’s nothing left to steal. The survivors will trickle into the countryside to become serfs. This has been the Globalist agenda for a long time.

            JHK thinks the big trends of history are driven by the power of impersonal, natural forces. I think more things are planned than we realize, though not entirely by human conspirators.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 1:40 pm #

            Quite so. Anyone with any clarity could have seen where this was all going. And the need to “integrate” White Nations to save themselves from the Wrath of the Volk. Diversity is our Weakness and their Strength, just like your credit is the Banker’s debit.

            We need a Khan now to save. We had hoped Trump would be our Khan, Kaiser, Czar, or Caesar, but he is just a stuffed tomato.

          • Majella June 7, 2019 at 3:28 pm #

            “When the welfare state starts running out of money, the s—t is really going to hit the fans in these blue states.”

            Oh, really? Just “these blue states”? You sound like you think everyone in California is a grovelling liberal welfare-grabbing bum because its ‘blue’.

            By that logic, then everyone in Arizona (being red) is a patriotic clean living upstanding & virtuous citizen.

            I just love the black’n’ white thinking on display.

        • benr June 7, 2019 at 1:40 pm #

          That’s the beauty about starving it makes you motivated to get food and not be put back in that position.

        • Q. Shtik June 7, 2019 at 4:22 pm #

          Working in the dirt in the hot sun, nope, not going to happen. – neon sky


          As Peter (by now you know who Peter is) likes to say with a smirk, that’s what Mexicans are for.

          • elysianfield June 7, 2019 at 7:00 pm #

            ” that’s what Mexicans are for.”

            The culture I am from is to work along side them and try to outwork them.

          • elysianfield June 7, 2019 at 7:02 pm #

            The culture I am from promotes working along…..

          • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 7:59 pm #

            True Culture would drive them out, pronto.

        • abbybwood June 8, 2019 at 10:56 pm #

          Speaking of having to “go back in time” to work the land without electricity etc., I read a great book about this based on a true story:

          “See You In A Hundred Years: Four Seasons in Forgotten America” by Logan Ward.

          “Years of working long hours surrounded by technology, stress and danger had taken their toll on Logan Ward and his wife Heather. They sold their belongings, packed up their 2-year-old son and moved to a farmhouse in the country. This book tells the story of this family’s year in a farmhouse in Swoope, Virginia, living as if it were 1900.”

          As the family is getting settled in, the electric company comes out to the farmhouse and the worker says, “Now you are SURE you want us to cut the power OFF??!!”

          Read it twice it was so good.

        • toktomi June 9, 2019 at 2:37 am #

          While poor overall physical fitness is conceivably true, it is unfortunately mostly irrelevant.

          The Earth’s carrying capacity in a non-energy-subsidized world will dictate the degree of die-off.

          • edpell June 9, 2019 at 11:56 am #

            My rough estimate is we need a factor of 10 decrease in population. World from 8 billion to 0.8 billion with 7.2 billion dying. US from 320 million to 32 million with ~290 million dying.

  3. TraffickingInDivinity June 7, 2019 at 10:26 am #

    Yes, socialism is a song sung by those who can’t accomplish – it makes them feel better.

    • DEFCON1 June 7, 2019 at 10:59 am #

      I’ll bet you have a rockin’ collection of Ban-Lon shirts doncha?

    • Ol' Scratch June 7, 2019 at 11:12 am #

      And capitalism is an aging decadent Rock Opera sung by those who foolishly think their shit don’t stink.

      • JohnAZ June 7, 2019 at 11:42 am #

        An irony here, ol’ Scratch, is that if JHK is right, things will have no choice but to localize, centered on an agrarian lifestyle.

        A breeding ground for capitalism. The central government paradigm is going to die out, and socialism with it.

        It will start when the transport of just about everything needed for life in the big cities starts to break down. Empty shelves will bring the millions of city dwellers out loaded for bear. And guess what, they are predominately minorities. Not a rosy outlook.

        Generation x and the Millennials better invest in firearms. They are gonna need them.

        • GreenAlba June 7, 2019 at 12:11 pm #

          If law and order totally break down, that’s the one scenario in which I’d welcome a firearm (other than if I were a farmer for shooting pests, but I’m too old for that anyway).

          I would only need one bullet though.

          A ‘happy exit’ pill would be less gruesome. And I’d only do it once I knew I was of no further use to my family or if they’d succumbed first.

          • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 1:10 pm #

            I don’t like this Alba. When law and order breaks down the younger people within your group can fight the battles. Your knowledge and life experience will be needed and must be transmitted to the next generations. If I were part of your community I would ask you to explain everything you know about life to me and I would diligently and busily write it all down so that we don’t lose memory of how to do things and how to cope with life experiences we have not come across yet. That is I guess if there is pen and paper. Otherwise we will have to start remembering everything in our heads again and passing everything on through story telling.

          • Majella June 7, 2019 at 3:39 pm #

            SSL – really, you don’t seem to take much notice of GA’s wisdom & knowledge and just plain common-bloody-sense now. Why would that change?

            So, if the impending doom is a result of incremental climate change (destroying crucial infrastructure & causing famine through crop failure) would you start with your ‘Mea maxima culpa’ and repent your silly adherence to your favourite conspiracy theories then?

            The greatest irony of it all would be that you’d likely get your long-lusted-for ‘Strong Man’ government. I hope it’ll be nice to the lower IQ set, for your sake.

          • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 6:25 pm #

            Alba said she can make a car engine or something like that. Not that we will need car engines in a world made by hand but obviously she has skills and knowledge that can be passed down. When it comes to that what does politics matter? Majella, there is a time and place for everything. Get with the program.

          • elysianfield June 7, 2019 at 7:04 pm #

            “A ‘happy exit’ pill would be less gruesome. And I’d only do it once I knew I was of no further use to my family or if they’d succumbed first.”

            Someone on this site (recently) excoriated Hitler for doing the same thing….

          • GreenAlba June 7, 2019 at 8:40 pm #

            Someone on this site (recently) excoriated Hitler for doing the same thing….”

            Er no. Someone on this site mentioned that in response to the scumbag being credited with: :

            ” that rare form of moral courage that could stand against a crowd, and indeed, an entire Civilization.”

            Someone with that rare form of moral courage would have come out and faced the music, still believing he was right. Or he’d have opened his eyes and looked at what he’d done and asked every living person in Europe for forgiveness. One or the other.

          • GreenAlba June 7, 2019 at 8:51 pm #


            “Alba said she can make a car engine or something like that.”

            Sadly you confuse me with someone else. 🙂

            You may be remembering that I said the Queen was a mechanic and truck driver during the war!!

            As for the previous post, thank you for your confidence, but I don’t have anything useful to impart that wouldn’t be pretty obvious to anyone with normal common sense.

            And I’m a townie – we’re no use to anyone. Useless eaters, I believe, is the expression on here. There are situations where just getting out the way is the best thing you can do for your community.

          • elysianfield June 8, 2019 at 6:29 pm #

            “Someone with that rare form of moral courage would have come out and faced the music,”

            I am sure Komaraden Finc spit out his beverage when he read that. Moral courage to fact THAT music? That would not take moral courage, but rather a complete denial of reality. I personally was not there, but I believe that, at the time, the Soviets did not have a sense of humor.

            “Too bad we did not get the bastard…” ~ Stalin

          • GreenAlba June 9, 2019 at 6:21 am #


            “Moral courage to fact THAT music? ”

            If he had ”that rare form of moral courage that could stand against a crowd, and indeed, an entire Civilization.” (attributed to him by Janos), then, er, yes. Absolutely.

            Or else he had less courage than the prisoners his Gestapo fiends tortured to death, many of them dying in agony and giving away no secrets to endanger their comrades in arms – or unarmed. But then we know that already.

            A bit like the camp guards who tried to disguise themselves as inmates when the camps were liberated.

            Some of the American soldiers were a bit rabid then too, and had to be restrained from killing the guards after seeing the state of their surviving prisoners (Janos would probably say they all went on a voluntary low-carb diet in expectation of their ‘meet the press’ day).

        • Ol' Scratch June 7, 2019 at 12:16 pm #

          Actually, agriculturally based localism will be inherently socialist, although not in the way it’s currently defined. A better term would be communalist or tribalist, as local communities will of necessity band together in the manner of large extended families. But as you note, it will be EXTREMELY tough going for all involved, even those well adapted to the lifestyle, as they will need to bring at least some of the weaker members up to speed as well. And not simply because they’re altruistic, but because they’ll need all the help they can get to make a go of it. Think the Discovery Channel series Naked and Afraid, but for keeps.

          • GreenAlba June 7, 2019 at 12:45 pm #

            Early populists, Scratch:


          • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 1:06 pm #

            I think you are right. If we are scaled back to a very local almost subsistence style of existence then the new culture that develops from that is going to be very communal and tribal in nature. IMO this is going to be where the rubber meets the road in terms of the sameness or homogeneity within the community that we advocate for. Members of these new communities will need to be similar to one another enough to effectively communicate and get the day to day work of life accomplished with a strong sense of trust and belonging. Because the world will be so harsh, and especially so since we have lived in a world of relative plenty for so long the surviving communities will not have time to constantly work to keep differing factions held together.

          • libertysghost June 7, 2019 at 1:14 pm #

            Nothing about either modern definition or understanding with regard to “socialism/communism” or “capitalism” would stand to bear in that dystopic future reality.

            I’m not sure sure trying to force either onto it makes much sense or is even worth a bother, other than if someone is still trying to promote one over the other in the current reality (can dystopia be in the present…it feels like it is sometimes 😉 ).

            I don’t see how natural market activity doesn’t rule the day if a sustainable existence can be created for some in the future JHK presents here. It would be a well understood necessity if the situation is non-coercive (that would be socialist/communist by definition).

            Nothing about free markets (which is the bane of socialism/communism according to their own screeds) excludes charity or the care-taking of the needy by definition. Of course the costs are built into the equation, and one group’s demographics enhances or diminishes their ability to compete. This is a truism in modern economic systems as well…though it gets shadowed over by fiat magic in short terms.

            A familial or “settler” type group…whether they want to practice “socialism” or not…can’t make food grow simply out of sheer force of faith in that system.

            We might remember the Jamestown tragedy for reference.

            That’s kind of the point…and the reason JHK is making the claim he is as well. Too many people, and not enough resources and production capabilities will equal death to at least exactly as many people as that “too many” were.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 1:55 pm #

            I decree that most people must keep their clothes on. This is my first decree as Hegemon.

          • Majella June 7, 2019 at 3:44 pm #

            SSL – unbelievable!

            You still manage to find a racist element, even in survival mode. As Scratch said, the surviving population would need all the able bodies they can gather to make a go of it.

          • hmuller June 7, 2019 at 4:28 pm #

            My goodness, Majella, if SSL has such a low IQ, how can she get under your skin so much? LOL

          • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 6:26 pm #

            She is denying her own instincts in this matter and is angry with me because I am getting in touch with my instincts rather than deny them along with her.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 8:01 pm #

            Who is this person? Do you know her from another site? Did you do something bad to her?

            And yes, Race will become far more important the more scarcity arises. Not to know that is a fatal ignorance.

          • SoftStarLight June 8, 2019 at 3:22 am #

            No I don’t know her other than she has it out for me like Evelyn. I didn’t do anything bad but they want me to be in trouble as if I had done something.

          • Majella June 9, 2019 at 7:30 pm #

            I’m not ‘out’ for you, personally, SSL, but you do make the most ridiculous, confusing and often contradictory statements and I simply cannot let them ALL go – most I let slip by me with no more than a sigh or sad chuckle.

            However, underlying it all is your totalitarian mindset, draped in soft words, and your rabid racism rebranded as ‘Nationalism’, which I find truly despicable and so against Christianity but not your purported perverted distorted version of Christianity. Pure hypocrisy.

            Your ‘disappointment’ in Trump is quite amusing, though. Turns out he’s a blowhard & a creampuff – we actually agree on something.

        • DrTomSchmidt June 7, 2019 at 12:58 pm #

          Socialism seems to work ok on a micro scale. Most families I know operate on a “from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs” basis. From my understanding, life on a kibbutz also works decently. But above that level there’s no way to control the free rider problem.

          So radical decentralization will destroy big socialism, destroy crony capitalism, empower small-scale capitalism, and re-empower micro-scale socialism within families and maybe small religious groups. The big gain will be in what Taleb calls antifragility. Families that run their socialist societies poorly will suffer and not be bailed out, reducing the risk to the rest of society.

          • JohnAZ June 7, 2019 at 1:37 pm #

            Small towns started up independently of each other, each one served an agricultural area. There was a store, a barber shop, a livery, a saloon, places to put horses, restaurants, and as things changed and people wanted more stuff, stores were changed and added. Barter was stock and trade. Money was rare. The free market was all there was, set independently in each town. People from the great generation and their parents remember this scenario as when America was great.

            I like the term small scale capitalism.

            Cities are a result of the Industrial Age. It will be interesting, to say the least, to see what the demise of the Industrial Age is going to do to the cities. California may be the future as the human fallout multiplies.

          • DrTomSchmidt June 7, 2019 at 8:56 pm #

            You might like the book Scale, by Geoffrey West, John. He explains the logic of the city: when population goes up by 100%, the infrastructure needed to support it rises by only 85%. Also, with increasing city size, you get increasing income; for every 100% rise in population, net income overall in the city rises 115%. The problem is that crime, disease, and other problems also scale super-linearly. If you can control the bad things, you get NYC, where the efficiencies of having so many people can pay for a lot of corruption, graft, and bureaucracy. If you don’t, you get Detroit, where the city then needs to shrink because it cannot pay for the infrastructure.

            Cities are efficient because they are the only human edifice that has some fractality in design; the Scalng applies at all levels due to this.

        • aibohphobia June 7, 2019 at 7:45 pm #

          Really, firearms won’t be needed too much for those 100 miles or more from a major city. How many of us have walked 50 miles? I did it when I was a Boy Scout. When I was in the best physical condition of my life, with extensive planning; in peacetime–It took me two days, and I was achy all day after that.
          If we think that significant numbers of people are going to survive a walk of 100 miles or more, with no medical backup, thru unfriendly territory, perhaps in Winter, without excellent gear and the knowledge to use it, without good water and food–
          More likely there will be a ring with a lot of corpses in it, mostly within 50 miles of the city center.
          Anyone young and athletic enough to make it through will be useful on your farm and grateful for any help you can give…

          • toktomi June 9, 2019 at 2:51 am #


            I would offer that even at 100 miles or more from a major city the population density for much of the U.S. is such that there will be blood.

            Consider also that virtually everywhere there will be stashes in various forms of gas and diesel. Farms and ranches will be the largest prizes.

            But everyone that lives 100 miles or more from a major city already is aware of all of this and any assertion that firearms will be unnecessary falls deafly upon their ears as but little more than a fart in the wind.

        • SpeedyBB June 8, 2019 at 6:47 pm #

          I never paid much attention to the literature of John Updike but somehow got my hands on what I am told was his final novel, ‘Toward the End of Time’ and what a crackerjack job of prediction he did in that one. Spasm war with China, federal government breaking down, far away and generally ignored in the aftermath. Improv like FedEx becoming an ad hoc militia-for-hire, killer drones and so on. It came out in 1998 but Updike must have had some smart insider info.

          Good reading. Sobering (& conventional plot & characters) but accurate.

    • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 1:53 pm #

      You own nothing you can’t hold from strong hands and hungry mouths. You rely on the Police and those behind them in other words. Stop being a moron. You didn’t build that all by yourself. No one did or does or will.

      Or St Paul said, You have nothing you have not received (from God, Nature, or Society). That the Left refuses to acknowledge the Higher doesn’t mean their wrong about everything. And National Socialism in contrast, does recognize the Higher.

  4. Htruth June 7, 2019 at 10:27 am #

    There’s nothing to worry about because Jerome Powell says inflation is low. Cheap crap for everyone will continue: https://youtu.be/-U8HmaNI1zA

  5. Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter June 7, 2019 at 10:37 am #

    Here’s the money quote from above: “Imagine a world in which the ideas in your head about that world actually have to comport with the way the way that world really works — and the severe penalty for failing to recognize that.”

    That is a big part of a short book called, “The Kindergarden of Eden” by Evan Sayet. The fact that our culture has become divorced from the consequences of our actions, so therefore we do not have to good choices.

    The book is about what makes “The Left” tick.

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    • libertysghost June 7, 2019 at 1:16 pm #

      I scrolled down to see…you made much the same point I just tried to do.

      But much more succinctly. 😉

  6. certainquirk June 7, 2019 at 10:42 am #

    Near the top of the list of “rackets”, I would add primary education. How much of the this insanity could be avoided if people could pull their kids from public schools?

    • JohnAZ June 7, 2019 at 11:50 am #

      And do what with them? Public education is child care, always has been. In a world where Moms have to work, PE is a necessity.

      I do not have a clue how to improve public education, but it needs it. Stop charter schools, maybe. Stop busing and concentrate on funding schools equal under the law. Bring law enforcement back into the schools. Tell parents to shut up and get involved. Resurrect PTA. Decrease administrative personnel by half. Pay teachers more. Stop the emphasis on college as the end result. The future is going to need less and less college folks. Concentrate on skills development.

      Maybe I do have a clue.

      • DrTomSchmidt June 7, 2019 at 1:08 pm #

        Near me, most of the high school science teachers make over 100k. Is that enough?

        Public education is a racket for a lot of people in it,, especially administrators.

        • libertysghost June 7, 2019 at 1:22 pm #

          A point I like to make is that government education (what it really is) began its demise when the system cared more about the benefits it provided the adults in it than the children (students).

          About half of John’s “clues” seem about right in noting the problems, it’s the “clues” pertaining to the his solutions that will only magnify the problems.

          Rewarding failure by giving it more resources when it fails is obviously NOT going to produce better results.

          Requiring parents send their kids to a specific school despite them (theoretically) paying for their kid’s education with taxes, also is a disincentive to improvement.

          “Choice” is a big buzzword these days…but NEVER by it’s promoters when it comes to what happens to a child once it’s out of the womb apparently.

          • libertysghost June 7, 2019 at 3:36 pm #

            My phone made the “its” and it’s”…grrrrr

      • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 1:21 pm #

        Well there are actually many people who home school their children and believe it or not there are still moms who stay home with the kids. And imagine that! Some dads do too if the mom makes more or when they are in between jobs. Obviously this is only a shadow of what used to be but it exists nonetheless.

        Public education for the most part nowadays is nearly worthless in truly preparing the young to face life. If we truly go medieval then we are going back to education occurring via tutors (if parents can afford them or barter with them) and through apprenticeships in actual jobs that make actual things for actual life. Maybe the old style school houses can come back to teach all kids the very basics of reading and rudimentary math, science, and history before they have to start truly working once they become teenagers.

      • swazimoto June 8, 2019 at 4:38 pm #

        And for pete’s sake, turn OFF the g——-n t.v.!!! It’s called “programming” on purpose!

      • abbybwood June 8, 2019 at 11:25 pm #

        My public education in Willard, Ohio from 1957-1968 was excellent.

        Grade school focused deeply on the 3 R’s and in high school taking two years of typing, four years of HomeEc and just the basic general literature/English and history classes was enough to prepare me for two years at Ohio University to get an Associates Degree in Science and Nursing and as a result I had a good career for forty years as an R.N. And nursing school back then taught compassion and conscientiousness.

        A friend of mine does occasional ICU work at a hospital in Inglewood, California where she says these new “grads” spend most of their time on their iPhones and the charge nurse never confronts them. This would have been unheard of in 1970’s Ohio hospitals! “You have time to play on that phone? Put it away and go give all your patients back rubs!”

        I cringe to think of the basic comparisons of 4th graders here in Los Angeles public schools now compared to my 4th grade days in Ohio.

        The reason I now find myself surrounded by all my precious books is a definite reflection on my early childhood education and the love of reading.


    • DrTomSchmidt June 7, 2019 at 1:06 pm #

      NYC schools now spend something like 25k per child:

      If instead of spending that they paid each kid 25kinto an account, my guess is most would be better off. Their parents, by contrast, would all have to fork over a lot of money for the childcare that they’re not paying for now.

      350k for pre-k to 12th grade in NYC. Crazy.

      • BackRowHeckler June 7, 2019 at 4:52 pm #

        But what would that 25K be spent on if the individual NYC family could get their mitts on it?

        Education is probably at the bottom of the list..


  7. teddyboy46 June 7, 2019 at 10:44 am #

    This is my latest conspiracy theory and it answers part of the question of where we are going as a country and a people. 1. The reason the Military has allowed our Cities to become war zones with a daily body count is. The plan is the Criminals will kill each other off and solve the problem for the rest of us.

    2. The reason Cities are handing out free needles to drug addicts is they want the drug addicts to kill themselves off, again solving the problem for the rest of us.

    There is a problem with this theory though. The war zones in the Cities has been going on for a very long time and looks to be getting worse. I am not sure we could ever run out of bad guys, and the same with drug addicts there seems to be a never ending supply of them .

    Any constructive comments would be welcome.

    • DEFCON1 June 7, 2019 at 10:57 am #

      Haven’t heard that shit since the 60s (aka The Good Old Days)

      Wow, to live in the United States of Amnesia is truly magical.

    • Nightowl June 7, 2019 at 11:01 am #

      Well there are quite a few in government and at the apex of society who’ve been and still are pushing to import a massive new slave class into the US, among other places. And those folkes are likely to have lots of kids (based on cultural backgrounds and socioecomic class). So a depopulation plan seems rather pointless.

    • Ol' Scratch June 7, 2019 at 11:15 am #

      I’m sure there’s a grain of truth in all that. Call it a fortuitous coincidence.

    • JohnAZ June 7, 2019 at 11:54 am #

      Want to see an explosion? Cut off the drugs at the border. The cities will ignite. And the city folks are going to come out of the cities armed to the teeth. I think you may be right about the treatment of the cities though. Remember Escape from New York?

    • elysianfield June 7, 2019 at 12:04 pm #

      ” The reason the Military has allowed ”

      The military has no say in the matter. It is a political issue.

    • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 1:25 pm #

      There is a never ending supply of criminals and drug addicts because there is a never ending supply of our society not investing in people as well as purposelessness and hopelessness. In this way maybe it will be much better if we lived in small communities that had to work together to survive. Presto! Everyone has a role and purpose and you are needed and wanted because we have to survive.

      • JohnAZ June 7, 2019 at 1:42 pm #


        Main Street USA

        • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 6:21 pm #

          Well that is true John but Main Street USA has basically been extinguished. Revitalizing Main Street seems to be the right way forward. But the ingredients to make it happen are not quite there in the same way they used to be.

      • Majella June 9, 2019 at 7:37 pm #

        Hmm…socialism, you say? Ah, like actual and practical Christianity!

        No, wait! I always forget – when SSL mentions “criminals & drug addicts”, she means ‘blacks & other minorities’.

        When she mentions “society” and ‘small communities’ she means purely White enclaves where there’s rainbows & unicorns.

      • Mountain gal June 9, 2019 at 10:35 pm #

        There’s that SSL but there’s also the horribly misguided welfare state that got created decades ago whereby we dis-incentivized the formation of stable nuclear families. By essentially rewarding single mothers who had children outside of marriage by providing benefits to them ONLY if they didn’t have a man around we created several generations of single mother led families with no fathers. This has resulted in the now approaching 80% rate of children born outside of marriage in blacks and a steadily increasing rate of this in whites.The results aren’t pretty.

    • abbybwood June 8, 2019 at 11:28 pm #

      Some major cities have “special” clinics where addicts can go shoot up with clean needles (and I don’t mean Starbucks’ bathrooms). Nurses are there with Narcan ready.

  8. Ol' Scratch June 7, 2019 at 10:48 am #

    Yep. 2020 is going to be our year of enlightenment, not matter how the elections turn out. The idea is going to finally dawn on a whole lot of people – call it our Titanic moment – that we are once and truly fucked no matter which silly political choices we make. Neither side has any answers to our predicament because there simply are no good answers to our current predicament.

    Then, just perhaps, it will also dawn on more than a few people that the elite in this country have long since figured that out and that all their various Machiavellian machinations these past many years have been a rather obvious (in hindsight, at least) attempt to reserve the few remaining life boats for themselves at our expense. Man oh man, won’t we have some serious fun then!

    • JohnAZ June 7, 2019 at 11:58 am #

      Think about the alternatives in 2020. Trump wins, we get stalemate in DC for another four years. The Dems win, nothing will happen except their grab for power will just socialize us more. They have no ideas of how to govern the mess we have created. Either way, the plot thickens with each year that goes by.

      • Ol' Scratch June 7, 2019 at 12:17 pm #

        That’s it!

      • libertysghost June 7, 2019 at 1:33 pm #

        Stalemate is always preferable…I agree though I must digress (isn’t that all of our current state…LOL).

        We reached “peak government” decades ago so the cascading level of diminishing returns might be analogized as a the “swamp spreading” into the hinterlands far and wide.

        Above JHK wrote:

        “It must be obvious that government is not only fatally beyond bankruptcy, but that it has also reached the stage of diminishing returns from over-investment in complexity that translates into generalized incompetency.”

        I’ve been making this point for years. It began when I realized all the common popular explanations for the fall of the USSR were too complicated…it was as simple as the gist of the above.

        You see it in what happened when the Soviet Union became no more. The expected chaos (who didn’t imagine levels unheard of would have to transpire when a all-inclusive government like that collapses) didn’t materialize. But why?

        Most people living there had already “moved on” as the only way to survive the “diminishing returns” of the Soviet Communist system WAS to find a way to live outside of its machinations. A sizable majority of those that still existed there, had little reliance on the government already…they couldn’t or they would have been gone long before.

      • abbybwood June 8, 2019 at 11:31 pm #

        What if they had their stupid primaries with their stupid candidates then their stupid MSM election next November and nobody showed up to vote?

        I think we are nearing that time where there is NO CONFIDENCE.

        Perhaps staying home and not encouraging them is the best idea.

  9. Exscotticus June 7, 2019 at 10:50 am #

    >>> The proposed remedy is for the national government to take responsibility for running them

    Insanity. We see how poorly the VA is managed. Now we want to scale up this mismanagement? Picture those TSA agents at the airport—only now they’re in charge of your health and well-being.

    Liberty? Choice? You can kiss that goodbye. If the government decides you need to be on a high surveillance wellness program, well then by golly that’s what’s going to happen. Don’t think you’ll be able to refuse medications, either. Drugs now have RFID trackers in the pills themselves to monitor your compliance.

    Do you think national outrage at any particular policy will change a thing? Did it change anything at our airports? Or are TSA agents still groping little girls?

    I think national healthcare will happen—if only because it gives government that much more power over the citizenry. Nothing to do with healthcare; everything to do with control.

    • GreenAlba June 7, 2019 at 11:19 am #

      “I think national healthcare will happen—if only because it gives government that much more power over the citizenry. Nothing to do with healthcare; everything to do with control.”

      Happy to confirm a lifetime of free healthcare has given ‘the government’ no control over my life.

      I don’t have go to the doctor. If I do go I don’t have to pay attention to the benefit of their decades of experience. I don’t have to take the pills they give me. I don’t have to go for free screening checks. Heck, I don’t even have to use those little kits the regional NHS send me every now and then to check if I’m at risk of bowel cancer. No, I can ignore the lot.

      When my kids were tiny and I found myself at the GP practice for the usual baby and childhood things, my eye would wander to the poster advertising the Well Woman Clinic. And no, you’ve guessed it, nobody made me go, or even invited me, other than sticking up the poster. My thirty-something self used to think I really should go to that. But you know how it is with children and work – there are things you just never get round to, even though that poster reminds you from time to time. And here I am thirty-odd years later and I never did make it to that Well Woman Clinic, although I do go to the odd screening once in a while that I’m invited to. But again – yes, you’ve guessed it – nobody makes me.

      When I went last year to get a ‘flu jab (yep, nobody made me, although they’d sent a note telling me I was entitled to it, because of my age) the nurse asked if I minded if she took my blood pressure. And I said yes that was fine. I could have said no and walked out, but I’m neither paranoid nor a moron.

      • Ol' Scratch June 7, 2019 at 11:30 am #

        Good points O’Greeny, but you just know that anything implemented here stateside will be fucked up beyond all recognition (FUBAR). Hey, that’s just how we roll now over here in the land of the decadent and the home of the depraved!

        • Majella June 9, 2019 at 7:43 pm #

          The FUBAR would most likely arise from

          a) all the special interest exceptions that would be ear-marked to the legislation;

          b) the army of grifter parasites that would infiltrate every nook & cranny of the apparatus from Day One.

      • hmuller June 7, 2019 at 11:59 am #

        Hello Green Alba,

        What do you think about making vaccination legally compulsory, not only for school children but also for adults – when the authorities deem it necessary?

        It’s become an issue over here due to much dramatized outbreaks of mumps and measles – (which are very scary if you’re a Native American living in 1500). The odd thing is that many of those coming down with these diseases were recently vaccinated.

        Being a paranoid moron, I’m not convinced those in power always have our best interests in mind or tell us the truth.

        • GreenAlba June 7, 2019 at 12:28 pm #


          “What do you think about making vaccination legally compulsory, not only for school children but also for adults – when the authorities deem it necessary?”

          I wouldn’t presume to say, hmuller. I especially wouldn’t presume to say what should happen in your country. I’m assuming if you’ve cultivated the kind of society which puts person freedom above the welfare of your neighbour’s children – and their personal freedom above the welfare of yours – then you’ve cultivated the kind of resilience that accepts the price to be paid for that. So I’d leave it entirely up to you.

          “The odd thing is that many of those coming down with these diseases were recently vaccinated.”

          Aye, right…


          The number of measles cases in the U.S. continues to climb, with more than 550 cases reported from January to April, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). That’s the second highest number of measles cases reported in any year since 2000, the CDC says.

          “Many of this year’s cases occurred as part of ongoing measles outbreaks in several U.S. cities, and most infected people were unvaccinated, according to the CDC. But if you’ve been vaccinated, can you still catch the disease?

          “Although it is possible to get the measles even if you’ve been vaccinated, it’s quite rare: Two doses of the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine — which are given as part of the standard U.S. childhood vaccination schedule — are 97% effective at preventing measles, according to the CDC. This means that about 3% of people who receive two doses of the measles vaccine will get measles if they are exposed to the virus.

          “It’s not clear why some fully vaccinated people get measles, but it could be that their immune system did not respond properly to the vaccine, the CDC says. (Still, if a person is fully vaccinated, and they come down with measles, they are more likely to have a mild case of the illness.)

          Please note, hm, that I did not call anyone a moron. I am not a moron and am not paranoid. I therefore am happy to educate myself and act according to information from reputable sources, which my reasonably adequate but in no way exceptional brain is generally able to assess for everyday purposes. Such a strategy has kept both myself and my family alive and well so far. But everyone has to die of something and I shall too.

          “I’m not convinced those in power always have our best interests in mind or tell us the truth.”

          I expect your brain and mine are pretty much equal in their abilities to usefully assess information. I’ll leave you to yours – I’m happy with mine.

          But mine’s cheaper. And I don’t have to worry about making my neighbours ill.

          • GreenAlba June 7, 2019 at 12:28 pm #

            I forgot to say ‘hello’, hm. So, hello 🙂 .

          • GreenAlba June 7, 2019 at 12:29 pm #

            *personal* freedom… grrrhhh…

          • libertysghost June 7, 2019 at 1:50 pm #

            Appreciate the time you put in there.

            The selection of stats/quotes seems “selective” but it may be just to validate a preconceived view which is fine. That’s what most of us do normally…it’s only interesting when we don’t. 😉

            I’m not sure the second quote supports the third…are they referring to the same outbreak? Do you find it interesting that they used the word “most” and didn’t get into more detail if that was truly going to be more persuasive? I know our MSM and the PR machine behind their “sources” so in short, the answer is yes, they would have.

            I’ve really entered the vaccination history and debate with an “open mind” simply meaning I wanted to be convinced that somehow THIS one system overwrought with influences by the corportists running our “healthcare” (that combination of politicians and lobbyists by major pharma corps) actually was producing outcomes in the “best interest of the people”.

            Nothing convinced me it was the unicorn. I’m left with…some of them are likely useful, some of them are pure BS and possibly harmful to many more people than they will ever admit.

            There was no scarlet fever vaccine. There’s no way to exclude all the possible variables involved in determining if a “flu” or “measles” contracted post vaccine is “milder”. But they say it…and it gets repeated ad nauseum.

            Do vaccines work or not? Sometimes…seems the best guess when being objective. But it’s hard to say how much clean water, and plenty of calories and vitamins go in reaching that same end (scarlet fever again).

            But making it “mandatory” no matter what name we want to associate with anybody making either decision (though there isn’t one if you want to go to a government school I guess where they are “mandatory”) doesn’t seem to make any sense based on the reasons offered. It seems like a mandate driven by some other interest/incentive for either power or money (to achieve more power)…so how likely is the outcome good?

            What worries me is that we know humans are fallible…and corruptible. What are the odds some bad mix will make it through one day and mess up an entire generation?

            hell, what are the odds it hasn’t happened yet?

            I never see these probabilities discussed…or even researched…with government grant dollars especially. 😉

          • BackRowHeckler June 7, 2019 at 4:56 pm #

            Illegals entering the country from the fetid jungles of Central America — by the tens of thousands — are spreading these infectious diseases.


          • GreenAlba June 7, 2019 at 9:17 pm #


            The selection of stats/quotes seems “selective” but it may be just to validate a preconceived view which is fine.

            It’s fine, is it? Thank you so much. I do so love being patronised…

            Actually here’s how selective it was. I put a statement into the Google search box based on what hmuller said. Something like ‘many recently vaccinated people getting measles’.

            Then I picked the first site that wasn’t a newspaper. Paranoid minds will see that as validating a preconceived view; sensible people will know that you’re going to get pretty much the same information on any serious website, UK or US, i.e. that vaccinated people are very, very unlikely to get measles.

            Three percent likely in fact.

            Which is why I didn’t need to go beyond the first one, or do any selecting at all, beyond not bothering with secondary reports in newspapers.

          • Urinthe Village June 8, 2019 at 1:16 pm #


            Your point about scarlet fever “going away” without a vaccine is misleading. Scarlet fever, a occasional sequelae of strep infections, went away because of penicillin, which was employed to treat strep infections. It has nothing to do with anything relevant to the vaccination debate. Strep is a bacterium and measles etc are viruses. Sort your apples and oranges before employing them in your rhetoric.

          • GreenAlba June 8, 2019 at 2:56 pm #


            “There’s no way to exclude all the possible variables involved in determining if a “flu” or “measles” contracted post vaccine is “milder”. But they say it…and it gets repeated ad nauseum.”

            I would actually think that was pretty easy to determine, in the case of measles. If you have a large enough sample you’re going to be able to measure the severity of measles in vaccinated, recently vaccinated and non-vaccinated individuals, isolating other variables in the normal way.

            ‘Flu isn’t comparable. The ‘flu vaccine in a given year might have an estimated effectiveness of as little as 30%, and the people involved in developing it and the medics offering it know that (as do normal people like me who look it up).

            ‘Flu mutates on an ongoing basis, so you don’t know what strain you’re going to get till it arrives. What happens in the UK, as far as I’m aware, is that the developers analyse the strains that occur during the ‘flu season in New Zealand, as their ‘flu season is first, and base it on that. It’s always going to be hit and miss, some years more so than others.

            I still choose to get it, although I’ve only gone for the vaccination twice or three times in my life – I don’t recall it being available when I was a child, and children under five, people my age and indivuduals whose systems are compromised (e.g. asthmatics) are advised to be vaccinated.

            I’ll take 30% effectiveness over none at all. But I don’t worry about it over much and didn’t bother several years after hitting the ‘vulnerable’ age. As demises go, it’s one of the least cruel. It used to be called ‘the old man’s friend’. Avoiding young children getting it, if possible is the most important thing.

          • GreenAlba June 8, 2019 at 2:57 pm #

            Sorry, missed the ‘s’ in your name.

        • GreenAlba June 7, 2019 at 12:39 pm #

          And one of the upsides of the coming shitstorm, if it is not usefully gradual, will be that such questions will become irrelevant.

          When there is no more vaccination available, you won’t need to argue about it. There will be little bodies to be buried, which will keep the paranoid folks busy enough. And possibly singing that Joni Mitchell song about how you don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone.

          I’ve had modest life – probably a lot more modest than most people on here. But there’s one thing I’ve never been remotely short of and that’s gratitude. I even have it when I turn on a tap and clean water comes out. So vaccination? Wow.

          • GreenAlba June 7, 2019 at 12:42 pm #

            But it’s Friday and it’s cinema night so I’ll leave you all in peace. Happy Friday 🙂 .

          • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 1:33 pm #

            I agree with that. I am always so glad when I flip a light switch and the lights come on or run water from the tap. And I always think about the day when those things no longer work with trepidation.

          • hmuller June 7, 2019 at 4:04 pm #

            Green Alba,

            You wrote above: “…society which puts person freedom above the welfare of your neighbour’s children – and their personal freedom above the welfare of yours – then you’ve cultivated the kind of resilience that accepts the price to be paid for that.”

            You are implying that if I don’t get vaccinated, I’m endangering my neighbors.

            I thought the way it works is that if they are vaccinated, they are protected. I can’t pose a danger to them, even if I’m Typhoid Mary, or Typhoid Max.

            Incidentally, as I did a Google search on this topic, I could find only pro-vaccination websites. Isn’t it nice how the new censorship protects us from false information. The social media announced they were implementing these measures a few days ago – and they did.

            They are also purging what they call “hate speech” websites which includes even those who most politely question the system. No matter how expletive free you are, if you question the official 9-11 story, they will shut you down.

            You are an intelligent lady, GA. Too bad you can’t see the Orwellian iron fist closing on our throats. Those who have truth on their side don’t need to shut down debate. We all know that instinctively. So what does that tell you about these Silicon Valley Pol Pots?


          • benr June 7, 2019 at 5:00 pm #

            They are also purging what they call “hate speech” websites which includes even those who most politely question the system. No matter how expletive free you are, if you question the official 9-11 story, they will shut you down. -hmueller

            Won’t be long before even the hint of overt racism gets sites shut down even on the message boards.

            Add questioning AGW to that list.
            The real fascist are rearing their heads and they are all progressive types.

          • CancelMyCard June 7, 2019 at 7:53 pm #

            The Liberals are the Fascists.

            They want to control speech,
            just like Orwell predicted in 1984.

            Control speech, and
            you control the populace.

          • GreenAlba June 7, 2019 at 8:28 pm #

            “I thought the way it works is that if they are vaccinated, they are protected. I can’t pose a danger to them, even if I’m Typhoid Mary, or Typhoid Max.”

            Some people have reasons why they can’t be vaccinated, hm, e.g. those whose immune systems aren’t working properly, maybe because they’re being treated for a childhood cancer, or for some other reason that might not be temporary. They rely on herd immunity (c.95% vaccination).

            And I wasn’t talking about you personally, but you as a society.

            Incidentally, as I did a Google search on this topic, I could find only pro-vaccination websites. Isn’t it nice how the new censorship protects us from false information.

            Try Yahoo. I just did a search. Full of wacko websites – all the disinformation you could want. 🙂

          • hmuller June 7, 2019 at 9:18 pm #

            GA, you wrote

            “Try Yahoo. I just did a search. Full of wacko websites – all the disinformation you could want.”

            So good of you to keep an open mind about tainted vaccines and the health problems they cause. (sarcasm)

            I’m disappointed that you tacitly support the oppressors of free speech. “Let them eat cake!” “Let them use Yahoo!” Until that too falls under the repression of big brother.

            Don’t you see the 24-7 surveillance, the propaganda, the lies, the oppression of free thought? We have all the privacy of the monkey cage at the zoo. They’ve already taken our free speech in your beloved Eurozone and Canada. People imprisoned and fined for expressing non-violent, politically incorrect opinions.

            I guess you just trust “the authorities”. For some reason you identify with them.

          • GreenAlba June 7, 2019 at 9:34 pm #

            “I’m disappointed that you tacitly support the oppressors of free speech.”

            I didn’t say I supported them – I merely suggested a way out of your immediate difficulty, and pulled your leg slightly in the process about ‘wacko websites’. I’m perfectly aware of how Google works and that they are not my friend.

            If you want to get your information from the kind of people who are now causing measles epidemics all over the world with their disinformation, be my guest. I really don’t want to go over all of this again – it’s been done and redone on here.

            “I guess you just trust “the authorities”. For some reason you identify with them.”

            And you made that up too. And added on a bit of character assassination for good measure. But guess away.

            I trust some authorities – I don’t trust others. I don’t see The Authorities as a monolithic bloc. That’s what discernment is for.

        • elysianfield June 7, 2019 at 7:11 pm #

          “Illegals entering the country from the fetid jungles of Central America ”

          Who described Central America as a bunch of Mexican countries? I remember the gaff, but not the circumstance.

        • abbybwood June 8, 2019 at 11:38 pm #

          I had measles and mumps and chickenpox as a child (usual childhood diseases) and my titer would show that I do NOT need any of their vaccinations.

          I have taken the TDAP because I am around lots of my grandchildren and I never had whooping cough.

          Good luck when “the authorities” come knocking on my door with needles in hand.

      • Q. Shtik June 7, 2019 at 5:22 pm #

        Every thing you describe is the same here for me under my particular insurance plan except the pills are not “given” to me, I have to pay for them at the drug store. I pay a modest co-pay for doctor visits. I get free flu shots. I am regularly hounded to avail myself of free screenings. It was just two days ago I received yet another phone call and said no thank you. I have had so many medical procedures over the past year that if they don’t know by this time what all my issues – real or potential – are, they will never know.

        I read people on this board complaining all the time about medical care but, I must say, I have no beef.

        • Q. Shtik June 7, 2019 at 5:25 pm #

          Response to GA’s 11:19 am post.

        • Ol' Scratch June 7, 2019 at 5:34 pm #

          Same here. If you’ve got decent insurance, the current system works fine for the most part. If you don’t, you’d better stay healthy.

          • CancelMyCard June 7, 2019 at 7:55 pm #

            Medicare/Advantage has work excellently for me for 10 years now.

            Don’t f*ck with it if it ain’t broke.

        • GreenAlba June 7, 2019 at 9:26 pm #

          “Every thing you describe is the same here for me under my particular insurance plan…”

          Indeed, Q, but I’ve paid taxes all my life and that’s what pays for my healthcare, as it does everyone else’s. In England they pay a ‘prescription charge’ of £9 for any medication; in Scotland they decided the charge wasn’t worth the administration costs so they just made it free. It’s free anyway for pensioners, children, pregnant women and the unemployed, even in England.

          Seeing a doctor is free – a modest charge would be a good idea to discourage time wasters and those who don’t turn up for appointments.

    • Ol' Scratch June 7, 2019 at 11:20 am #

      National healthcare could happen, but it will be conditional as hell. As in, if you’re not following strict good healthcare guidance, it will be NO MEDS FOR YOU, or you’ll be paying through the nose to get them. Likely have to pay through the nose either way, though, as government controlled or not, they’re not going to stop the insurance and pharmaceutical rackets. WAY too much gold in them thar mines!

      • Majella June 7, 2019 at 4:06 pm #

        Scratch, I recall some weeks back you shared a rundown oh your general health issues. May I ask – how well does your insurance respond to your prescription med costs?

        • Ol' Scratch June 7, 2019 at 5:30 pm #

          Good so far. I’ve got really good coverage. But I’m working my ass off to get off the meds altogether. Exercise my ass off (weights and aerobic at 7200 ft altitude), NO booze, NO sugar, no refined carbs, very low carb period, low calories, periodic fasting, the whole enchilada (none of those either!). Ready to kick the BP meds now (100/60), but still on Metformin for the blood sugar (5.7 A1C and dropping). BMI 3.0 and dropping, but I carry it pretty well. No one I know thinks I’m fat (even allowing for politeness and the decidedly low bar of living in the US), although simply looking fat is not always a good indicator for blood sugar problems. Lots of perfectly thin people out there walking around these days who are “skinny fat” and have latent or undiagnosed Type II DB. I’ve definitely been scared straight this time. And I feel SO MUCH better now!

          • CancelMyCard June 7, 2019 at 8:00 pm #

            1) high-fiber diet. You’re gut will save you. From just about anything. Your body devours this.

            2) Vitamin K + Calcium. Your body craves this stuff.

            3) Expend energy on bone/muscle exercise. Daily. Over and Over again. Your body needs this.

            4) Mind exercises. I don’t think it matters whether it is crossword puzzles, video games, intense reading, chess, or go. If it keeps your mind engaged and very focused, Your body and mind desires this.

          • Majella June 9, 2019 at 7:56 pm #

            Wow, Scratch. *Impressed*

            That’s determined commitment. Are you getting this advice from your GP?

            And a BMI of 30 is considered, in terms of insurance underwriting at least, ‘acceptable’. It’s now about average for the developed western world (USA, UK, Canada, Australasia). And with BP at 100/60, you’re fitter than many 20 y/os.

        • CancelMyCard June 7, 2019 at 8:01 pm #


      • Tate June 8, 2019 at 9:07 pm #

        “National healthcare could happen, but it will be conditional as hell. As in, if you’re not following strict good healthcare guidance, it will be NO MEDS FOR YOU”

        It wouldn’t be a bad idea. Billions could be saved if people were just denied until they got down to their ideal weight.

    • JohnAZ June 7, 2019 at 12:00 pm #

      Well said.

      Power people will be power people.

  10. gonetohell June 7, 2019 at 10:50 am #

    Apparently giving tax breaks to corporations, and the people that run them, doesn’t fall under the heading of free stuff. JHK is masquerading as an intellectual through avid study and use of his thesaurus. It will never register for JHK that the only redistribution happening in America is from the bottom on it’s way to the top. Hence the continuing and relentless accumulation of the nations wealth and income into fewer and fewer hands.

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    • JohnAZ June 7, 2019 at 12:04 pm #

      Remember though that wealth today is a phantom, and can disappear overnight. Skills are the wealth of the future, and getting away from the cities. A result of the Long Emergency will be an inversion of wealth to folks who are wise enough to invest in the right things.

    • Tate June 7, 2019 at 12:16 pm #

      Well now, look here, sonny, you’re just sore because JHK has a following & you don’t… YOU G.T.H. COMMUNIST!

      JHK has a following because he talks about THE FUTURE. Our future. Or somebody’s future. A distant future. Anyway, it’s distant enough that his followers are free to fantasize about it here in this comment section. So maybe it’s not our future, but it is somebody’s. Anyway, all that fantasizing aside, maybe this reads closer to home?

    • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 1:36 pm #

      Such BS! Mr. K knows exactly what’s up when it comes to power and wealth being further and further centralized into fewer hands. You must not pay attention much to what he writes. And he has discussed the crony capitalism that exists now with corporate welfare and all.

  11. robert magill June 7, 2019 at 10:55 am #

    Chattel slavery did not end in America because Lee surrendered, it was ended by the coming of those wonderful machines. Now that they are leaving us, guess what will one day take their place?

    • benr June 7, 2019 at 11:24 am #

      I doubt a return to chattel slavery is in the cards unless western society is destroyed by militant Islam.
      How ever a return to debtors prison used to work the land is very likely and serfdom will be the norm if the world made by hand returns.
      I believe that science will find a new power source in short order to replace dwindling easily obtained oil.

      • darrell dullnig June 7, 2019 at 12:02 pm #

        Who the hell left “benr’s” cage door open? He may be harmless, but you never know when a mind like that might snap and hurt somebody.

        • benr June 7, 2019 at 12:26 pm #

          In that simple statement you reveal much in your own troubled mentality and lack of grasp on real world situations.

        • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 1:42 pm #

          Lol, well apparently it already got to you. I actually agree. I doubt chattel slavery makes any big comeback in White (Whitish) Western cultures. Certainly it still exists in Africa and Asia and definitely in Islamic societies. But I can easily see a return of serf like status for people in a world made by hand in the West. And the leaders will be the new aristocrats. Whether science can help us get out of this. I guess the jury is still out on that one.

      • Majella June 7, 2019 at 4:12 pm #

        Benr – chattel slavery & the old agrarian serfdom are pretty much the same thing in reality.

        The best example of the potential future of the quandary is Mr Bullock’s large farming enterprise outside Union Grove. You’re free to leave but good luck with that! Their serfdom is voluntary, but it’s still serfdom.

        • Majella June 7, 2019 at 4:13 pm #

          I meant ‘WERE pretty much the same thing’

  12. K-Dog June 7, 2019 at 11:03 am #

    How long will this fiction of ‘the party of the common man’ go on? A party has nothing to do with the common man or there would be a scream of ‘Don’t you dare tell them what they can’t have and is impossible.

    It guarantees the common man is totally screwed because diversity is a divide and conquer doughnut with sprinkles on top. A strategy with a big hole in the middle. The party of the common man is dedicated to the proposition that all people should support the rentier class equally. That is their idea of justice. Everyone equally screwed.

    Any nonsense of free stuff guarantees the party of the unabashed elite will win again. And this is not good for it will bake doom in the cake.

    • JohnAZ June 7, 2019 at 12:08 pm #

      The party of the common man is a huge farce.

      Dems were the power behind the unions and when the unions went by the wayside a few years back, so did that power base for the Dems. Now it’s place has been taken by students and immigrants. The ex union boys voted for Trump.

      • K-Dog June 7, 2019 at 12:39 pm #


    • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 1:45 pm #

      WOW! “It guarantees the common man is totally screwed because diversity is a divide and conquer doughnut with sprinkles on top.” I can’t agree with you more K-Dog!

  13. Mountain gal June 7, 2019 at 11:07 am #

    It pretty much appears to be divided between those who predict a future of severe limitations where we need to use physical labor to do what used to be done with fossil fuels versus those who only worry that computer AI and machine learning will be so sophisticated that our biggest problem will be massive unemployment due to the fact that computers now do all of the work.

    I was trying to make my way through Yuval Noah Harari’s “21 Lessons for the 21st Century” but gave up after realizing that his main contention seems to be that we will need to find ways to keep people who no longer need to work content and supplied with an income as the computers will be doing everything for us that we now do ourselves. He has a lot of fans of the sort that believe that technology will save us all.

    Given this, and that so many in the ruling elite class are doing quite well themselves at present and are more in line with Harari’s way of thinking, I don’t imagine anyone in a position to make change will be paying a lot of attention to our dwindling resources. As well, as most of the economic gains in recent years have gone to the top 1-10%, they are certainly not breaking out in a sweat worrying about the rest of us.

    • K-Dog June 7, 2019 at 11:34 am #

      I don’t imagine anyone in a position to make change will be paying a lot of attention to our dwindling resources.

      It will always be someone else’s problem. Where I work pressure is put on people now to do a green commute thing and use public transportation. Put the onus on the worker but never ever on the work being done shall be their unsung mantra. The paradox of preserving the system which ruined the world will become a patriotic duty. Your sacrifice and austerity for the greater good will be needed.

      We don’t have a Lenin Prize but we have Trump Trivets and will soon have many more after his re-election. Lower Education will continue to be celebrated.

      You caused climate change because there are so many of you. The 1 % could not have done it by themselves and this factoid will be repeated in a thousand ways so the basic structure of society shall remain intact and nothing will change. The status quo, the existing arrangement of conspicuous consumption by an elite group, a group who exists on the profit of an overpopulated working class who rapes the earth in every way possible for them; will defend itself by any means necessary.

      • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 1:50 pm #

        I can imagine this. The Elite working the psychology of all of this to make the regular person feel as if they are basically the entire source of the problem and the one who needs to make the complete sacrifice to right that wrong. They will do this whether Trump wins or not IMHO.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 6:25 pm #

        And the Leftists let them switch the argument from Class to Race – and were well rewarded for their treason.

    • JohnAZ June 7, 2019 at 12:15 pm #


      The problem with the UBI concept is that wealth is created by people working. Without wealth, where is the money going to come from to finance a nation hooked on the free lunch.
      Reality is expansion of the homeless situation in the cities.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 6:27 pm #

        Yes, thus National Socialism. Make the Elite share. They didn’t build it themselves after all. We simply don’t exist in that way at all. Thus we need a Declaration of Inter-Dependence too (not instead of).

  14. Quatermain June 7, 2019 at 11:09 am #

    “Consider a world in which, if we are lucky, the electricity runs for a few hours a day, but possibly not at all”

    Yes, that would be South Africa today. We will not be far behind.

    • Nightowl June 7, 2019 at 11:18 am #

      Ever been to Nepal?

      • malthuss June 7, 2019 at 11:33 am #

        No but I saw a movie on Spiti.

        • Nightowl June 8, 2019 at 5:16 am #

          Interesting. Just looked this up.

    • benr June 7, 2019 at 11:25 am #

      North Korea as well.

      • Q. Shtik June 7, 2019 at 5:36 pm #

        How about Jamaica? Water and electric are both sporadic. And the roads are in utter disrepair.

        • benr June 8, 2019 at 11:08 am #

          My understanding Jamaica is now in bed with the Chinese who are throwing down pavement all over the island


          It seems the Chinese are doing while others are foundering in the debt caused by infrastructure loans.

          This same premise was talked about in confessions of an economic hitman.
          The Chinese appear to have read the book.

        • Majella June 9, 2019 at 9:08 pm #

          ….and Haiti? Deserted by the west….and Puerto Rico? 3rd world US ‘dependency’.

    • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 1:55 pm #

      No we will not be. White Genocide is a real thing. It is a top down edict from the Elite. No more intelligent and productive Western middle classes to get in the way of the program. Let’s see how depopulation unfolds in South Africa in the coming months/years. This is the model for us here to once the minority-majority fully comes into power.

      • Majella June 7, 2019 at 4:19 pm #

        That’s just plain stupid nuts, SSL…

        • benr June 7, 2019 at 5:05 pm #

          And yet it really does appear to be what is happening.
          Denying the reality of what is going on in SA does not mean it’s not.
          Plenty of podcasts from real people living through the chaos and hell are making there way out.
          Conservative university has a couple of dozen now free for download sprinkled in on their standard fair for the last 6 or 8 months.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 6:28 pm #

            Thank you ben. Perhaps there is hope for you after all.

          • Majella June 9, 2019 at 9:18 pm #

            No, benr – I don’t deny what is happening in SA – it’s Rhodesia/Zimbabwe all over again, though slower so far.

            What I called ‘plain stupid nuts’ are the assertions that:

            a) White Genocide is a real thing; and
            b) It is a top down edict from the Elite. No more intelligent and productive Western middle classes to get in the way of the program.

            These are the fevered imaginings of students of Conspiracy Theory 101 and the belief that, even at 61% of the US population (76% if you include the very ‘European’ Latinos), the White Man is in a desperate struggle for survival. These are just self-serving myths to support racism & totalitarianism.

            Someone else above also declared that “the US is not far behind” – also equally nuts stupid.

        • CancelMyCard June 7, 2019 at 10:00 pm #

          It’s NOT plain stupid.

          It’d the damn truth.

          Read it and weep.

        • Mountain gal June 7, 2019 at 11:35 pm #

          I don’t think what SSL says is stupid at all. It is realism. I know this may make me sound racist, and I don’t think I’m a Janos sort, but tell me of one country which is doing well and providing a good life for their population which is run by blacks and is majority black? One US city either?

          I think it’s sad and I wish it wasn’t the case but wishing doesn’t make it happen. Most of Africa, Haiti, etc is a basket case. SA used to be the exception but of course was able to do so by way of apartheid and white rule. I’m not saying I thought that was a good idea. I’m just saying that this was what allowed SA to be the exception in all of Africa.

          In the US it appears to me that when cities have black populations that are over a certain percent and are run by blacks they are unsafe and do poorly. It’s not PC to say this but show me how I’m wrong. I know I wouldn’t want to live in any city that had a large black population or any place near such a city. I suspect there are many educated law abiding blacks who feel the same way.

          • SoftStarLight June 8, 2019 at 3:12 am #

            It doesn’t just make you sound racist. It is racist. And you know what. There is a such thing as healthy racism. It’s that natural desire to be with your racial and cultural kin. It’s also the acceptance of your natural instincts when it comes to seeing the world of race as it really is. So for instance, you instinctually know that Blacks naturally attain a lower level of culture compared to Whites. There are always exceptions but the generalization proves to fit with what we see in the real world. In other words, don’t be sorry to see and acknowledge the Truth. Otherwise the thought police will win.

          • SoftStarLight June 8, 2019 at 3:15 am #

            And this in no way means you have to hate or project animosity at other races. But it does mean that you recognize that boundaries exist and should be adhered to.

          • montsegur June 9, 2019 at 3:26 am #

            There is a such thing as healthy racism. — SSL

            I’m not so sure about the “healthy” part, but IMO what you’re describing is the tribal aspect of people. Whether we want to be or not, we’re all tribal.

            In functional societies, it is possible for those with enough will and tolerance to rein in their tribal behavior. But as dysfunction in a society rises, so ebbs the motivation of people to surmount their tribal instincts.

            Most people associate with others of the same ethnicity and background. That is neither good nor bad, just another reflection of our tribal behavior.


  15. FincaInTheMountains June 7, 2019 at 11:12 am #

    You know Donald Trump is our best chance – alternatives are either Hell on Earth or just plain old hell after a big boom!

    And this is a fact that no one hides.

    And economy, of course, has nothing to do with that – economy is a derivative of the moral state of society.

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    • Nightowl June 7, 2019 at 11:21 am #

      True words. There are no alternatives. Can you imagine coked up skateboard bro Beto as president? Or a psychopath like Kamala Harris? Mittens? Pedo Joe?

      Maybe Tulsi, but they’d compromise her. Too soft and good natured.

      • Q. Shtik June 7, 2019 at 8:00 pm #

        Can you imagine coked up skateboard bro Beto as president? – Nightowl


        Why does every Tom, Dick and Beto think he’d make an excellent president?

  16. bantamhut June 7, 2019 at 11:12 am #

    I am a fan of James Howard Kunstler and have been following the text for many years. The problem that I am having, or the difference in reality that I perceive is this :

    1 – When the current system collapses.
    2 – There is no going back in time
    3 – To Medaeval Technology
    4 – Because
    5 – The water wells and field planting soils and air
    6 – Are poisoned with radioactive particles
    7 – That will kill everyone
    8 – As soon as the power goes down
    9 – Thousands of electrically cooled nuclear devices
    10 – Will explode automatically like Fukushima / Chernobyl
    11 – Medaeval Return is a jolly prospect that cannot occur
    12 – How is the future to work in a dead and murdered biosphere?

    • benr June 7, 2019 at 11:30 am #

      There is a point that water cooling or nitrogen is not needed and the cores(rods) are stored in lead lined very large concrete coffins.
      Stacked all over the campus waiting to be moved to a more secure storage area BUT I do understand your fears “spent” nuclear rods are still very hot and VERY toxic.
      I will never understand why anyone thought this technology was ready for prime time with current technology.
      Even clean up amounts to washing all that crap into our oceans or burying it somewhere.
      Not cool, not cool at all.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 6:30 pm #

        Shoot it into space. Perhaps Jupiter could be ignited with just a match.

        • CancelMyCard June 7, 2019 at 10:03 pm #

          You are the complete idiot you have always been.


          You have wasted your intellect.

          • SoftStarLight June 8, 2019 at 3:01 am #

            Relax and have some fun sometimes.

        • benr June 8, 2019 at 9:05 am #

          To much chance it will explode in orbit or not make it out.
          The other problem with radiation is it messes with everything and shielding is heavy.
          It passes through most things and causes rapid for lack of a better word aging.

    • malthuss June 7, 2019 at 11:31 am #

      Oh Mr / Ms Apocalypse, when?

      • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 1:56 pm #

        A little bit closer each and every day?

    • EvelynV June 7, 2019 at 4:47 pm #

      The population being what it is, there is no going back anyhow.

      I’ve always considered JHK’s pining for reversion a bogus ambition for that reason.

      First, reduce the population by 90% and the survivors will get by on whatever resources remain. Assuming there are survivors because once all the Nuclear shyt hits the fan it ain’t gonna do no good plowing radioactive fields.

      • benr June 7, 2019 at 5:06 pm #

        Start taking your iodine now!

    • toktomi June 9, 2019 at 3:02 am #


      What ! ? you don’t believe in a new world made by hand tools?

      git ouda he’!

      I suspect that Mr. Kunstler’s world view has evolved substantially over the last some years and that your difference in reality is not so dramatic as you may be imagining.

  17. oilie June 7, 2019 at 11:15 am #

    The idea that doomsday will be coming soon is a bit premature. The loss of reliable electric power in a significant portion of the country would elicit a serious corrective response. In the meantime, we have more than doubled our domestic oil production in the last five years. Given the poor economics of most of the producers, this is unsustainable, but it bought time and will continue to do so for a few years.

    Cheap reliable energy underlies our ability to avoid the realities of existence. When the green weenies succeed in stopping our use of it, they will be the first victims of their new reality. I can hardly wait for a gender studies department to close its doors. Bring it on.

    • Mountain gal June 7, 2019 at 11:26 am #

      To me it all feels like a Ponzi scheme. Energy use, shale oil, the stock market, the outrageous cost of useless degrees in Queer and Gender Studies, our national debt, the trade imbalance, immigration and illegal immigration.

      • Ol' Scratch June 7, 2019 at 11:33 am #

        Exactly. That’s all it ever was.

      • benr June 7, 2019 at 11:35 am #

        What you posted is the decay of a society, a sickness so to speak.
        People have to much free time to worry about things that don’t matter when you are working your ass off trying to not starve or freeze to death.
        It is amazing how people change as they starve to death.
        A show Naked and afraid high lights this simple reality as you starve many of the things you thought were important suddenly don’t seem so.
        Vegetarians suddenly eating almost raw still wriggling snake meat or bugs.

    • K-Dog June 7, 2019 at 11:49 am #

      In Venezuela now power fails on a regular basis where it did not a few years ago. Infrastructure is not being maintained and the tropics are eating up their power grid quick. The jungle grows up over power poles and blackouts are regular from shorts and line breaks.

      Our canary in a coal mine. It isn’t about an ‘ism’. The collapse has happened far to fast to be explained away by bullshit. Awash in oil they could sell none of it so it became the same as having none at all. The Americans prevented the sale of Venezuelan Heavy which needs double refinement with their own socially subsidized fracked oil. Not able to sell Venezuelan brown after failing to make other arrangements their long emergency began.

      • Ol' Scratch June 7, 2019 at 12:25 pm #

        It’s always interesting to contrast such widely circulated comments with, for example, recent videos of the place during the failed US led coups. The place looked remarkably functional and even prosperous in all respects to me (granted, that was in Caracas), although apparently no so much that they fell for the bullshit US ploy.

        • K-Dog June 7, 2019 at 12:37 pm #

          Caracas is a city of contrasts. Look at some videos. Start with what I have on my website. Behind the walled compounds luxuries remain and stores on the eastside sell imported goods but for dollars only. Walk across the street from a five-star hotel to hail a cab and you could be killed by an armed thug on a motorcycle for your cell phone.

          • Ol' Scratch June 7, 2019 at 12:49 pm #

            Another good treason not carry a cell phone, I guess.

          • K-Dog June 9, 2019 at 12:36 pm #

            If you don’t wan’t to be followed tis the reason it is treason.

            And tis the season, always is.

      • JohnAZ June 7, 2019 at 1:54 pm #

        It is interesting that the real hold Madura has on power is supported by Cuba and Russia. Without the military, Venezuela would be toast. It needs a Marshall plan to resurrect its ability to make wealth. Anybody got an extra trillion dollars to offer?

        Cuba wants its oil.

        • Ol' Scratch June 7, 2019 at 3:11 pm #

          You’ve been reading neo-liberal bullshit again, JAZ. Gotta watch out for that crap.

        • Majella June 7, 2019 at 4:32 pm #

          No, JohnAZ – The real grip Maduro has on power is a legitimate mandate following his successful re-election under a legitimate constitution.

          Despite what the neo-cons & neo-libs & the captive US media tell you, it’s NOT the horrendous clusterfuck it’s made out to be. The current drama (over-egged as described) is a result of several factors:
          1- US Sanctions imposed days after Chavez was elected and continuing to this day, 17 years later; and
          2- the collapse in oil prices combined with he fact that Venezuelan crude is heavy and more complex to refine.

    • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 2:02 pm #

      You must not live in Hurricane Country. Trust me please. Corrective action by this government is very very slow at best or non existent. You will be on your own when the SHTF. You can’t depend on anyone except those closest to you that you have built trust and relationships with. No amount of scientific hocus pocus and government promises can change this. The government is really just people anyway. And they are grouped into warring factions that cannot reach consensus.

      • Mountain gal June 7, 2019 at 11:52 pm #

        After 9/11 there were a number of scared NYC types with money who bought properties in my state which they saw as a backup safe place to retreat to if things got bad. What they failed to realize of course was that they had zero social capital in their new town. While things were ok they had the money to pay people to do things for them such as mow the lawn and maintain the house and grounds while they were living in NYC making all sorts of money. But to just assume that if NYC blew up into anarchy that they could safely retreat to their refuge where they didn’t have relationships with the community and it would all work out well cause they were wealthy was I thought somewhat misguided. I know of one house where the dentist from NYC who owned it was nicknamed 9/11 by the neighbors.

        • SoftStarLight June 8, 2019 at 2:59 am #

          That is a good point. It isn’t safe to assume the locals of rural areas will be welcoming to fleeing city dwellers. In fact, in a collapse scenario the distrust would probably lead to conflict. In many tiny little towns people already know who to turn to if and when the SHTF.

          • Majella June 9, 2019 at 9:30 pm #

            So, would even a bunch of well-heeled NYCers (read WHITE) yet be ostracized by their Bolt Hole compatriots, if escaping a nasty event (if not the ‘final collapse’)?

            Meanwhile the local compatriots in a little town will likely have a 15% black minority component. However, they would band together for self-sufficient sustenance based on the LOCAL factors?

            Help me, SSL…I thought your Nationalist Tribalism would extend to ALL your tribe, even rich out-of-towners simply because they are white. Or would your non-tribal (non-white) township compatriots be left to themselves too?

    • toktomi June 9, 2019 at 3:04 am #


      “The idea that doomsday will be coming soon is a bit premature.”

      I couldn’t disagree more.

      • Majella June 9, 2019 at 9:35 pm #

        ‘Doomsday’, or ‘Day of Judgment’ which is, most commonly in the US, considered to be the Return of Jesus (blue-eyed and blonde-haired, speaking English of course), will never happen. It’s been awaited eagerly since 34 BC.

        If you mean the actual collapse of the ecosystem under the weight of environmental abuse and AGW, or of a nuclear conflict, then possibly.

  18. malthuss June 7, 2019 at 11:32 am #

    D DAY

    remember D-Day means Die-versity Day.Nowaday.

    • benr June 7, 2019 at 11:37 am #

      Yea my company had a cultural diversity day yesterday I found the idea absurd with the forced fun of mandatory (not mandatory) attendance under threat of 8 hours class room time verses a half day picnic every year.

      • Nightowl June 7, 2019 at 2:36 pm #

        We have plenty of this. Also recently received a vaguely threatening email that everyone is expected to join the “Pride” support group.

        Of course it gets far worse; we’ve had two Europewide company events where they had an arrogant schmuck speak to us on the virtues of globalism and the open society, then they served us purple champagne.

        • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 6:33 pm #

          Their Pride is Straight Shame. Debit/Credit

    • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 2:04 pm #

      Diversity with a single society often is a death sentence. But diversity of societies is actually a beautiful thing.

      • Majella June 7, 2019 at 4:34 pm #


        • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 6:15 pm #

          Diversity within a single society typically means the death of that society. Diversity of societies however is a beautiful thing. They just need great borders to protect their uniqueness.

          • Mountain gal June 7, 2019 at 11:55 pm #

            Well yes. If France is allowed to be France and can keep those who live within its borders French people who love and respect the culture, and the same for Italy and Spain and Germany etc. then the individual countries within Europe are strong and the diversity amongst them is enchanting. It becomes more of a problem when the diversity is within the individual country and there are many within its borders who are intent on creating a caliphate and sharia law within France say.

          • SoftStarLight June 8, 2019 at 2:49 am #

            Exactly. Those who advocate for diversity now are actually advocating for a decrease in diversity via race mixing. But their position is considered by many to be the moral and righteous one. Meanwhile those who appreciate real diversity advocate for strong borders and immigration bans to ensure the preservation of national and ethnic identities and are eagerly labeled racists and xenophobes for it.

          • Nightowl June 8, 2019 at 5:07 am #

            It is antithetical to nature. In nature, we certainly have diversity of life, but many of those lifeforms cluster together and form groups of their own. The big picture is diverse, but at the macro level, we see homogenity.

          • Nightowl June 8, 2019 at 5:08 am #

            Macro should have been micro. Still no edit feature. Doh!

          • Majella June 9, 2019 at 9:38 pm #

            Oh, right. I get what you mean now.

            That’s cute though…a very ‘nice’ way to justify your blatant racism. It won’t wash in the ‘blood of the lamb’ though, Jean. If your Christianity is for real (and my atheism is just another of my undoubtedly in your mind, myriad delusions), then you will be judged for your hypocrisy.

      • Slugoon June 8, 2019 at 9:46 pm #

        Superb SSL. This is a central tenet of my own thinking but I couldn’t have put it so succinctly.

        Let the French be French. Let the Italians be Italian. It’s this rich tapestry of cultures that makes Europe great, not some manufactured identity dreamt up in Brussels.

        • Majella June 9, 2019 at 9:40 pm #

          Sure, Slugoon, but SSL wouldn’t HAVE any French or Italians in her country – “all immigration both legal and otherwise” is what she’d stop.

  19. Walter B June 7, 2019 at 11:34 am #

    Wow Jim, “Eds and Meds, over-investment in complexity, chaotic paralysis all around us”, you are cranking them over the fence today, well done! So where are we going you ask? Didn’t you pen a work titled, “The Geography of Nowhere”? Yup I see it approaching on the horizon. Buckle up, we are almost there.

  20. malthuss June 7, 2019 at 11:38 am #

    I found, at SBPDL,

    If Black Lives Mattered to the American Negro there would not be a 75% rate of Fatherless homes among Negro Communities.
    The only reason Negroes have not gone extinct in this country due to their own inabilities and dysfunctions, is due to
    (1) Forced confiscation of White workers monies to House, feed, breed and provide medical benefits.
    (2) 24/7 365 Communist propaganda campaign waged against Whites since before the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.
    My question is this, When the hell will White Lives Matter to whites? The altruistic white suicide cult amazes me in it’s scope and effectiveness, surely this phenomenon must be being aided by unseen evil forces of great strength and cunning to achieve such success. BLM….I could care less. WLM….White Lost Minds, is my greatest concern.

    June 6, 2019 at 5:42 pm GMT • 100 Words
    Telling the truth about black violence and criminality is the “ultimate taboo in our society,” not only for blacks and leftists of all races but also for the quasi-legitimate, mainstream, respectable “cuck”-neocon opposition, e.g., NR, Fox News, even the likes of Tucker Carlson, Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Mark Steyn, etc. – who alll lie and/or delude themselves, often clownishly, to”maintain the charade of egalitarianism,” the inviolate and sacred dogma that the anarchy and mayhem and warfare in Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, and many other cities has nothing to do with race and blacks and their average low-intelligence, higher levels of testosterone, greater impulsivity, lack of self-control, and the resultant propensity for violence and criminality. On Tucker Carlson, yesterday, a 20-something conservative blamed the plight of Detroit and Baltimore on the outsourcing of factory jobs to China and Mexico.

    As for the recently hyper ramped up rampant B on B violent crime in Greensboro/Guilford County, the DWLs in local politics (e.g. Greensboro Mayortrix, the WSJWs, and the Black Church Ladies) brought this on by first demanding the de-policing of Black ‘hoods and ignoring Black “minor offenses” because of all of the usual hackneyed “disparate adverse impact” bromides.

    Then for good measure, they later elected a dim wit Black Guilford County sheriff who has the distinction of being the only sheriff in Norf Carolina who can’t legally possess a firearm due to a little pre-election domestic violence dust up that caused the loss of his second amendment rights

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    • Walter B June 7, 2019 at 1:08 pm #

      To answer your question of when white lives are going to matter to whites, the answer is never. In fact, no one’s lives really matter to anyone of US(A) anymore because far too many are slitting each other’s throats competing for that carrot at the end of the stick. The only problem is that those that manage to get that carrot in their mouth find out too late that it is not a carrot at all, but a dick painted orange. Until we can learn to work together towards a common goal, which we never will, things will continue to degrade and not improve.

    • Mountain gal June 8, 2019 at 12:06 am #

      I’ve lived for decades in a state that is still quite white. Many make fun of how non-diverse it is now which causes great shame and consternation among its liberal progressive base which is determined to do something about it and turn it into a model of “diversity”. So now there has been an influx of blacks, Hispanics etc into some of the more urban parts of the state with a resultant increase in serious drug problems, shootings and other violence. Drug dealing black guys move in there and before you know it, blacks from out of state who are ticked off at them for something show up and turn the whole street into a shootout. To top it off, the State and local police are stymied in stopping cars full of out of state “visitors” who they are sure are coming up to sell drugs because the local progressive whites decry them for this. Essentially the police know full well who is up to no good but they are being forced to stand back.

      There are now diversity positions in schools, an influx of hires to run schools and school systems who are black, no matter their competence, and diversity education. Constant cries of racism if black kids are disciplined for misbehavior.

      It’s not to say that there wasn’t and still are plenty of “white trash” in this state who are capable of doing plenty of nasty stuff. I just don’t see the point of importing more trouble just to make white liberals feel good about living there. If they were working on attracting educated minorities who would be an asset to the state it would be fine. But why import gangsters from Florida and New Jersey?

  21. jeff2002 June 7, 2019 at 11:43 am #

    Health care isn’t “free stuff,” not when your life is on the line. The number of people who die annually in the US due to lack of access to health care is as much as auto fatalities–40,000+–according to a 2009 Harvard study. And I wonder if the 91% top marginal tax rate under Republican Dwight Eisenhower was considered “redistribution of wealth.” Today it’s not even 40% and the same GOP bitches about even a tiny increase.

    But I agree–we’re broke, and we’re not going back to 1955 or into a magical future of equality.

    • JohnAZ June 7, 2019 at 1:58 pm #

      More die from drugs than both medicine and autos.

  22. Elrond Hubbard June 7, 2019 at 11:43 am #

    Reading the final paragraph, I see JHK remains as reactionary as ever. His prose hums with satisfaction as he lays out his vision of a chastened world to come — one chastened not just by hitting real, material limits but by the failure of aspirations. A world where aspirations to make people’s lives better lie in ruins doesn’t just seem to be something he expects, but something he anticipates with a gleam in his eye. He’s jonesing for the people who annoy him to get what’s coming.

    Back in the 1930s or ’40s, John Maynard Keynes projected trends of continuing increases in productivity, and suggested that a big problem in the future would be people finding something to do with all their free time. Since it required so much less labour to produce the same goods and services, it seemed obvious that working hours would decrease until most people worked maybe one or two days a week.

    And there’s a long tradition of socialist thinking whereby this was exactly the point: to free people from drudgery, so they could do what they wanted to do with their own time, in a context where their time could be spent meaningfully. Imagine that! But that’s not how it worked out, and the reasons why have nothing to do with socialism but its opposite: capitalism. It was capitalism that created the advertising- and marketing-driven consumer culture we have today. This culture has two crucial features: one, it depends on artifically creating an endless hunger for more; and two, all this more can only go to private benefit, not to improve the public realm. Still less can it go to changing people’s expectations about how they use their own limited time on earth. Everyone needs to stay chained to the machine. The same goes for the possibilities of automation: it won’t be permitted to free people from soul-sucking robotic repetitive labour, only to have them either service the machines or abandon them in soul-sucking listless irrelevance (with or without a minimum guaranteed income). That way lies opioid death.

    Nothing is free, and no socialist wants to give people Free Stuff. Socialism is about recognizing the actual sources of value, how power structures alienate people from the value they themselves create, and changing those structures so as to restore that value where it belongs. A world that is much less materially wealthy than ours is today could still be a better world, if its systems and institutions honoured people’s dignity and served the common good. Making medical care and education both free at the point of use would be an excellent step in that direction for the USA to take, in my opinion.

    • malthuss June 7, 2019 at 11:55 am #

      Back in the 1930s or ’40s, John Maynard Keynes projected trends of continuing increases in productivity, and suggested that a big problem in the future would be people finding something to do with all their free time.

      1960–Family in USA = 5 Whites.
      One man worked forty hour week and the 5 were middle class.

      Now…. big problem in the future would be people finding something to do with all their free time.–YOU MUST BE KIDDING.

      • Elrond Hubbard June 7, 2019 at 12:24 pm #

        No, I’m not kidding. That would have been based on a standard of living that was considered normal in the 1930s/40s, with expectations being held constant.

        What happened instead is that expectations kept increasing, because consumerism. Therefore, instead of increasing productivity being realized through less work for the same stuff, it was realized through more work for more stuff, ad nauseam.

        That’s why so many women joined the workforce starting in the 1960s and ’70s: to feed the treadmill.

        • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 6:41 pm #

          Yes, and the unemployment exploded. Your point? Or do you think America can take in all of Central America too? A welfare state, what to speak of a leisure society required closed borders.

    • Soloview June 7, 2019 at 1:10 pm #

      Dear Elrond,
      I grew up in a paradise called, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic in 1960’s. We had free medical care (with critical shortages of drugs, especially antibiotics); we had free education (alas much in the vein of the degenerate and illiterate academia of the US today). We were “much less materially wealthy” and lot of people didn’t mind that; those who did ended up in camps and jails. Only the really enterprising, found a way to flee the worker-bee state serving socialist “dignity” from 6 am (start of work) to 11 pm when the state TV went off. The point is: the socialist panacea – no matter whether relatively successful (as in Scandinavia) or a disaster (as in the USSR) can’t stand non-conforming individuals…and vice versa. It will always be a repressive regime, with enforcement ranging from fines of 6000 kronen to a pensioner for an islamophobic tweet to a firing squad for whatever the regime fears most at the moment. Craving socialism is, as Jim says, desperation feeding rescue fantasies. In the US it will not likely happen, but if it does, most people will soon wish it didn’t.

      • Elrond Hubbard June 7, 2019 at 1:53 pm #

        Dear Soloview, I have no doubt that what you say is true. All the same, in the paradise that is the United States of America in 2019, tens of millions live without health insurance, millions more are driven into bankruptcy by unforeseeable and unpreventable events (injuries, illnesses, etc.), and another generation of young people is being herded into lifelong debt bondage. All this happens in the midst of plenty, in the wealthiest nation that has ever existed.

        As for the camps and jails, in the USA those tend to be inhabited by members of the underclass. This class consists of those excluded from an economy that doesn’t have a use for them, and is the preferred repository for America’s despised minorities. Possessing little or nothing that can be extracted from them, they get warehoused in for-profit prisons as a last-resort means for the ruling class to add to their own wealth, while keeping a lid on discontent that might otherwise affect the wider society.

        So, all that being said, I guess… pick your poison?

        Anyway, I don’t do -isms, so I never profess to be a socialist (or any other kind of -ist). But it doesn’t take a genius to see that business as usual is just what’s stoking the current, and potentially very serious, unravelling, so it’s business as usual that has to come to an end. Socializing health care and education are two ways of mitigating the relentless economic brutality which has driven matters to the point where they are now. And both of them have ample precedents, both past and present, to model themselves on as successful policies.

        • hmuller June 7, 2019 at 4:44 pm #

          Elrond, while you’re denouncing America’s treatment of “despised minorities”, don’t forget to mention 51% of black babies are killed before birth.
          Oh no wait, that’s one of the things you really like.

        • BackRowHeckler June 7, 2019 at 5:06 pm #

          What the F-k do you know elrond?

          You don’t even live here

          You sound like your little pajama boy PM Trudeau, with his love of muzzies and transvestites, and hatred of the United States.


          • CancelMyCard June 7, 2019 at 10:20 pm #

            He’s nothing more that a canuk-ass-sucking-pussy.

            Go back to Canada you dumb fuck!

            And leave us Americans alone you piece of canuck bullshit!

          • malthuss June 8, 2019 at 12:21 am #


          • GreenAlba June 8, 2019 at 9:53 am #

            brh and CancelMyCard

            I’m at a loss to understand why you two (and CMC more abusively and without class or decency) consider it outrageous for a person who doesn’t live in the US to comment on US affairs, when you all comment so fully and with no particular expert knowledge on the affairs of Europe and the UK.

            This is not, as far as I am aware, a website for the use of Americans only. Finca once linked to a one-time picture of who was logged into the sight and it was 51% American, the other readers being Australian, European (including UK) and a variety of other nationalities. It only listed the top nations, so presumably there were/are dribs and drabs from many more nations.

            Like many others I found myself on here after reading The Long Emergency, as well as publications by and websites hosted by the likes of Richard Heinberg, Matt Simmons, and The Oil Drum.

            Having bought JHK’s books and since I pay my way through Patreon I consider myself entitled to post. I presume others are in the same situation. There is no notification on the site requiring American citizenship, as far as I can see.

            Further, for people who profess to admire free speech more than they believe other countries do, I find individuals who are reduced to calling someone a ‘canuck ass-sucking pussy’ or a ‘piece of canuck bullshit’ instead of, you know, presenting a coherent argument, an example of everything in their country that no decent person would want to emulate. And they advertise that for everyone in other countries, whether they comment or not, to see. Well done you – what an excellent PR job you do.

            And I’m not saying this to defend Elrond, who can defend himself – I just stand in awe of your level of *cough* (it’s contagious) discussion.

          • GreenAlba June 8, 2019 at 9:55 am #

            PS perhaps if you take out the spooks that might even come to below 50%. Who knows?

          • Elrond Hubbard June 8, 2019 at 12:14 pm #

            Cancel: Cheers, mate. Life go you down? It might be time to go do something you enjoy, maybe eat a nice sandwich.

        • benr June 7, 2019 at 5:11 pm #

          How about the new snapchat item.
          Love has no age-
          Is this paying homage to NAMBLA?
          I knew it was coming but damn is that the next group to be normalized?

        • CancelMyCard June 7, 2019 at 10:18 pm #

          “All this happens in the midst of plenty, in the wealthiest nation that has ever existed.”

          You Dumb Fuck.

          The USA is NOT the wealthiest Nation that ever existed.

          Switzerland is.
          has been
          and always will be.

          The USA is a tinhorn bullshit imitation of what a
          TRULY wealthy nation is.

          • RB June 7, 2019 at 11:20 pm #

            Admittedly, I am surprised that Mr. K tolerates you.

            Switzerland is a postage stamp country that exists at the will of their powerful neighbors and by playing the politics that confronts them.

            As for wealth, how much oil do they pump? How much of anything do they produce? Most of the countries in the UN exist because western politics carved them out of the landscape. Many did not exist prior to WW I.

            Has Switzerland a space program? Did they invent and establish the GPS system? How many research universities do they have? What is their equivalent to MIT?

            Wealth comes in many forms. Switzerland is relatively impoverished albeit with a nice quality of life for its people.

          • GreenAlba June 8, 2019 at 10:05 am #

            “Wealth comes in many forms. Switzerland is relatively impoverished albeit with a nice quality of life for its people.”

            And an even nicer quality of life for those of its people (and others) who have benefited (directly or parasitically) from decades of banking secrecy for their offshore accounts.

            Tom Bowers’ ‘Blood Money: The Swiss, the Nazis and the Looted Billions is reputedly worth a read too.

      • Nightowl June 7, 2019 at 2:39 pm #

        Scandanavian countries have mixed economies; they are not socialist.

      • elysianfield June 7, 2019 at 7:25 pm #

        “Czechoslovak Socialist Republic”

        It is a current meme on the internets that…”you can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out….”

        Your thoughts?

        • GreenAlba June 8, 2019 at 10:07 am #

          Apologies for intervening, but my thoughts are that, in picking the country that effected the ‘Velvet Revolution’, EF, you’ve maybe picked the least useful example to back up your thesis.


          • elysianfield June 8, 2019 at 6:23 pm #

            Well, I have to admit that I was fixated on that 1968 thang….

          • GreenAlba June 9, 2019 at 6:24 am #

            Well I take your point about the Soviet response to the demands for more freedom but the Czech response to that was flower power – more Ghandi than guns.

            And velvet won out in the end. Not the case everywhere, I grant you.

    • JohnAZ June 7, 2019 at 2:07 pm #

      People, individuals need to take responsibility for themselves. Free anything is a disincentive for people.

      People need to work. People need to start from the bottom and work their way up. Work equals wealth, wealth should be measured in man-hours instead of dollars. Maybe then folks would realize what we have done to our selves by shipping all of our wealth overseas.

      The idea that eliminating labor from human beings to explore nirvana is insane.

      • Elrond Hubbard June 7, 2019 at 3:16 pm #

        JohnAZ: “individuals need to take responsibility for themselves”.

        Duh, really? That’s an original thought.

        There still are people out there in the wilderness, hunting and gathering their own food, making their own clothes, and for all I know building their own TCP/IP modems out of knapped flint and acorns. But even they live with and depend on other people. As for those of us who acquire goods and services through exchange, we’re entitled to examine the terms of that exchange and maybe even criticize them.

        JAZ: “Free anything is a disincentive for people.”

        Translation: Fear of destitution is an effective way to motivate people to serve whoever has the means to keep them from it.

        JAZ: “People need to work”.

        Agreed. People should be able to apply their gifts to meaningful work.

        JAZ: “People need to start from the bottom and work their way up.”

        Does this mean you would support a 100% estate tax? The very highest historical rate in the USA was around 78%, so that’s a pretty radical idea. Right now, out of 2.7 million deaths expected per year only 1,900 or so are subject to estate tax. So there’s plenty of room to implement your suggestion.

        JAZ: “Work equals wealth, wealth should be measured in man-hours instead of dollars.”

        You have a point there. You should look into Marx’s theory of alienation and the extraction of surplus value.

        JAZ: “The idea that eliminating labor from human beings to explore nirvana is insane.”

        This sentence poor grammar. Anyway, what’s insane about it? And who said nirvana? This is about freedom and self-determination, as opposed to being chained to circumstances and institutions that limit them for the many in favour of the few. Just because perfection is unattainable doesn’t mean that better isn’t better.

        • CancelMyCard June 7, 2019 at 10:23 pm #

          Fuck you Elrond,

          Go back to your Trudeau-pussy-sucking Canuckistan.

          Get the hell off this USA forum, you sick asshole.

          Watch your tone “Cancel,” Or I will bounce you from the arena! — JHK Admin

          • GreenAlba June 8, 2019 at 10:20 am #


            Get the hell off this USA forum….”

            Please see my post above at 9.53 a.m.

            And if you have a potty mouthed response ready for me, please note that I’m already laughing before I’ve read it.

            Interesting that some from a country that meddles in everyone’s affairs can’t cope with a bit of polite discussion from outside its borders. The US seems to have very different boundaries when it wants to keep people out than the ones it has when it wants to intervene in others’ affairs and requisition a quarter of the world’s resources for 5% of its population.

          • benr June 8, 2019 at 9:28 pm #

            @ ga

            Oh my this from someone living in England one of the absolute worst examples of meddling, mass murder and actual Imperialism ever seen in the world.
            The sun never set on the English empire at one time and now the sun is simply setting on England you people have all but given your country away welcome to the dark ages.

          • GreenAlba June 9, 2019 at 6:27 am #


            Have you actually read my many denunciations of and digs at the British empire? No? Do your specs have some kind of filter?

            Is your answer to everything whataboutery?

            My point stands.

            And I don’t live in England.

          • Majella June 9, 2019 at 5:06 pm #

            ‘Watch your tone…?” JHK.? Youve deleted posts & bounced posters for less, and this the second iffence inside 5 posts.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 6:44 pm #

        Right. As if tightening a screw all day long a la Adam Smith and Charlie Chaplin develops balanced human beings and solid citizens.

    • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 2:20 pm #

      Capitalism and Socialism without a Nationalist drive and purpose basically work the same. They eventually empower a callous and detached Elite to work outside of the will of those they govern. Real Socialism in the way you envision it Elrond will have to be National Socialism as Janos explains if it were to work in any way that benefited the ordinary person. It would require intensive management, focus and moral policing. The West as it is now cannot deal with this. That is because we are missing consensus on morality in general and we already have the Elite running amok without anyone who can bring them under control.

      • Elrond Hubbard June 7, 2019 at 2:50 pm #

        SoftStarLight: “intensive management, focus and moral policing”.

        Let me save you a few syllables, SSL. The single word totalitarianism expresses your end state with much greater clarity and precision than either you or Eyesore McGee have achieved.

        Quote: “The Spanish war and other events in 1936-37 turned the scale and thereafter I knew where I stood. Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it. It seems to me nonsense, in a period like our own, to think that one can avoid writing of such subjects.” — George Orwell, 1946

        It seems the hour has come round again. Are those really the only options? Who can say, but if they are I know which side I’m on. And which side you and Eyesore are as well.

        • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 6:11 pm #

          Whatever you wish to believe Elrond is fine. But it doesn’t mean it comports to reality. Socialism requires at least some forms of top down control. This does not equate with the rule of the majority per se. So there is really no such thing as democratic socialism. And there is no such thing as pure democracy either unless mobs are actually running amok.

        • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 6:47 pm #

          We’re on the side of Natural Law. 2=2 and 2+2=4.Boys are boys (a is a) and Girls are girls. Orwell was confused his entire life about these simple issues. Voting ensures the rule of the Worst since most people are idiots and/or simps. Limit the Vote to the Qualified and you have a chance.

          • Elrond Hubbard June 8, 2019 at 11:42 am #

            Natural law, which is to say, atavism. Roll back the French and American revolutions, restore prehistoric ethology, have modern humans live by the standards of Pan troglodytes with nukes? And you wonder why you’re despised.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 9, 2019 at 11:37 am #

            And you don’t think you are? Despised that is? All decent people do.

          • Majella June 9, 2019 at 9:52 pm #

            “And you don’t think you are? Despised that is? All decent people do.”


            Come on, Janos! To so easily lose your rag and drop your mask, your veneer of faux-intellectualism, is a huge disappointment, to me at least.

      • Nightowl June 8, 2019 at 5:15 am #

        To be fair, a callous and detached class of elites seems to develop regardless of what system of governance one employs. Every form of government seems to collapse at some point; the question that would seem to matter is “What system can provide a good standard of living, safety, and well-being for the most people for the longest period of time.”

    • Exscotticus June 7, 2019 at 6:08 pm #

      >>> Nothing is free … Making medical care and education both free …

      You managed to contradicted yourself in the space of one para.

      >>> It was capitalism that created …

      Capitalism doesn’t create a damn thing unless it’s supported by markets and commerce. And if it’s not it won’t last long. Advertising exist because it works. If you had stuff to sell, you’d appreciate it.

      Socialism on the other hand will foist enormous edifices upon the world regardless of wants, needs, or human nature.

      You don’t like ads? It beats proletariat worker propaganda any day.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 7:11 pm #

        The Market is the Law of the Jungle. Unfortunately for the Class Tyrants, the struggle won’t stay merely economic and political.

        • Exscotticus June 7, 2019 at 8:15 pm #

          Life is the Law of the Jungle. Go read your Darwin and deal with it.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 8, 2019 at 1:25 am #

            Those who live by the fang and claw will die by the same. Capitalism is the War of all against All and you like it!

      • Elrond Hubbard June 8, 2019 at 12:06 pm #

        Free at the point of use, Exscotticus. Remember my favourite analogy: if you had to feed a nickel into every streetlight just to walk outside at night, you’d either be stuck at home or develop back problems after a while from all the jingling weight. No one’s handing out free chocolate bars. This is decommodification of universally-needed public services, investing in a successful society, and eliminating parasitic rent extraction.

        Ex: “Advertising exist because it works. If you had stuff to sell, you’d appreciate it.”

        You say this as if it contradicts me and/or makes me look bad, but it works just fine with what I’m saying about consumerism. There isn’t a whiff of difference between advertising toothpaste and advertising pornography. Are those things equally good, bad or neutral? From a utilitarian point of view, do they both add to the sum total of human happiness? On the sell side as well as the buy side? How about the production side? None of these should be off-limits to questioning.

        As for what socialism as opposed to capitalism will foist on the world, I think the comparison between how the USA does health care versus every other wealthy, industrialized nation provides all the rebuttal anyone could need. But look on the bright side. If the coming economic collapse isn’t total, then there’s room to hold on to quite a bit of what’s good about the world of 2019). That includes a decent standard of health care (one that includes everyone, to boot). With the right choices, the losses can come out of the hides of today’s parasites, instead of from people who work and contribute.

        • Exscotticus June 8, 2019 at 3:45 pm #

          >>> This is decommodification of universally-needed public services

          “Decommodification” is your pleasant term for “nationalize” and the corresponding loss of freedom, choice and responsibility.

          So far, your socialism in practice is hundreds of millions being forced to purchase sex-change coverage, even though hundreds of millions will never need it. Of course this aspect of Obamacare is really a political handout to the transgender special interest group. It’s typical of what happens when you let governments make choices for you.

          Decommodification? Are cars next? Do you promote the nationalization of the auto industry? Just like socialist Venezuela did? After all, is not transportation a “universally-needed” service? Is it not a “basic human right”?

          Any argument you make for healthcare can apply to all kinds of industry. What else do you plan to “decommoditize” in the name of increasing “the sum total of human happiness”? And where is such happiness in Venezuela?

          • Elrond Hubbard June 9, 2019 at 10:36 am #

            Exscotticus, you can say decommodify, nationalize, socialize, whatever you like. But regardless, what needs examining is your contention about how all this interacts with freedom, choice and responsibility.

            Ex: “hundreds of millions being forced to purchase sex-change coverage”.

            Dude, take a breath. As taxpayers, we’re forced to pay for all kinds of things we don’t personally use. I am childless, so why am I forced to pay for schools? I don’t drive, yet my tax dollars pay for all kinds of auto infrastructure. Yadda yadda, you get the idea. The same applies to us as consumers of insurance. Why am I forced to pay for Alice’s house burning down, when it’s not my house? Because the same will apply to me, if and when. These are the ways we’ve worked out to keep people from needless destitution.

            Here’s an anecdote I’ve shared before. I have a friend who lived and worked in Chicago for a while (it was actually her husband who got transferred there). They must have had pretty good medical coverage, because when she had a baby, she tells us, a lady came into the neo-natal ward and offered pedicures to the new mothers. That’s right: pedicures, paid for with other people’s hard-earned premiums under her privately-run, non-nationalized, non-socialized health insurance. I mean, I personally wouldn’t begrudge the new moms the opportunity to look nice. But then, I wouldn’t begrudge trans people medical treatment that would improve their lives and happiness either. The latter at least has a medical justification. But as far as I can tell, the only thing trans surgery and socialized medicine have in common is how much you dislike them both. The one is not an argument against the other.

            Ex: “Decommodification? Are cars next?”

            No, what’s next is that the lavish quantities of money we currently give to the private auto would go towards high-quality trains and mass transit systems that would be, if not free [at the point of use], then at any rate cheap and easy to use. This is exactly how most auto infrastructure works now — most roads aren’t toll roads, they rely on massive subsidies that hardly anyone complains about. The interstate highway system was a big investment in free-to-use transportation infrastructure that paid off in a big way: it has enabled near-frictionless trade and commerce on a mammoth scale for decades. Considering that private motoring is going to be greatly curtailed in the future, there had better be something to replace it.

            Ex: “Do you promote the nationalization of the auto industry?”

            How short memories can be. Considering that the auto industry already failed in 2008 and was bailed out at taxpayer expense, what’s to promote? Actually, the bailout should have been conditional on them retooling to support the kind of mass transit system I mentioned above. Had we done so, we would be closer to being ready for the coming failure of private motoring, but the opportunity was lost. As a reader of James Howard Kunstler, you shouldn’t need me to explain this.

            Ex: “What else do you plan to ‘decommoditize’ in the name of increasing ‘the sum total of human happiness’?”

            Watch this space!

          • Elrond Hubbard June 9, 2019 at 10:45 am #

            A Cross-Atlantic Plan to Break Capital’s Control

            Bernie Sanders’s plan for worker-owned funds isn’t just notable because it could lead us toward a democratized, sustainable, socialist economy. It’s also the product of a growing collaboration between the Left in the United States and the United Kingdom.


            “Capital has been put on notice.

            “On both sides of the Atlantic, the Left is no longer content to regulate capitalism. Instead, leaders of socialist movements contending for state power are now seeking to transform the landscape of ownership, redistributing wealth and power in the economy by democratizing company ownership.

            “Bernie Sanders’s support for worker ownership funds, announced last week, is the latest ambitious commitment to the new politics of democratic ownership. If implemented, this would be a vital institutional turn towards, in Sanders’s words, ‘an economy where workers feel that they’re not just a cog in the machine — one where they have power over their jobs and can make decisions.’

            “Though the details of Sanders’s plans are still under discussion, the implications are clear. The plan would require businesses to contribute a percentage of stocks to a fund controlled by employees. In turn, the fund would pay a regular dividend to workers while making them a powerful voting bloc in corporate decision-making.

            “By rewiring income and control rights at the company level, gradually dislodging ownership by capitalists (typically with control exercised through extractive financial intermediaries that act as their agents) and empowering labor, the funds would help reshape how the economy operates and for whom. …

            “[C]ritically the Sanders plan challenges inequalities in both resources and decision-making power at the firm level. By ensuring there is a social claim on the dividends, potentially capitalizing an overarching social wealth fund, the policy could extend democratic control of the economy as a whole and transform corporate wealth into social wealth.

            “By ensuring everyone has an equal stake and a powerful additional channel for labor’s voice in companies through worker-controlled funds, we could build increasingly cooperative, democratic companies. By reestablishing the link between firm productivity and worker compensation, they can ensure workers — and society through a social wealth fund — share in returns they generate.

            “And critically, strategically, they can begin to break the controlling power of private capital in decision-making, both at the firm level and across the wider economy. In short, ownership funds could be a powerful policy tool for moving towards democratic socialism: it is about giving workers democratic control over their daily lives and sharing the fruits of what they produce together.”

          • Exscotticus June 9, 2019 at 3:26 pm #

            >>> I am childless, so why am I forced to pay for schools?

            That’s the spirit. And FYI it depends where you live. In many areas—even liberal ones—the elderly receive a rebate to help offset the taxes associated with child education.

            >>> Why am I forced to pay for Alice’s house burning down, when it’s not my house?

            In the USA, you’re not forced to purchase home insurance unless you have a lien (such as a mortgage) and the true owner (such as a bank) requires it.

            >>> That’s right: pedicures, paid for with other people’s hard-earned premiums under her privately-run, non-nationalized, non-socialized health insurance.

            Yes outrageous—and clearly a straw man argument. The transgender subsidy was obviously one example of many. People should have the right to purchase only the insurance they want or need. I don’t need emergency pedicures. Do you?

            >>> How short memories can be. Considering that the auto industry already failed in 2008 and was bailed out at taxpayer expense, what’s to promote?

            A socialist safety net designed to arrest one’s fall and bounce one back into self-sufficiency is not the same as a takeover. The problem is that our welfare safety net has become a way of life both for individuals and corporations.

            Ultimately, your argument seems to be: Boo hoo! There’s lots of stuff we’re forced to subsidize! So what’s the harm in adding untold billions more? The problem is that at some point we’ll run out of other people’s money, and then we’ll become Venezuela.

        • Majella June 9, 2019 at 10:02 pm #

          Elrond & Green Alba

          I tip my hat to you both, for your tireless propounding of truth, logic, science and common sense in the face of rabid mouth-foaming anti-progressive ranters that inhabit this particular cave.

          The inherent contradictions within their broad, fluid and ever malleable positions certainly give you both much with which to work.

          As to their incessant misunderstanding of the facts & evidence placed under their very noses, you both display such patience & sympathy as you attempt to point out their distorted interpretations.


          • Exscotticus June 9, 2019 at 11:39 pm #

            Facts? It doesn’t get more factual than Venezuela. An oil-rich socialist nation imploding before our very eyes.

            Facts? Here’s Elrond’s “workers’ paradise” in action…

            While Democrats push government healthcare, Canadians wait nearly 5 months for treatment

            Five months? Yikes! And to think that in the USA, Bernie Sanders is pushing for “free” healthcare for all illegals, too. Meanwhile, Obamacare struggles to insure less than 10 million on the backs of taxpayers.

            Your trust in government to run all apsects of our lives is astounding. Your trust in government to even be truthful is astounding. “If you like your health care plan, you can keep it,” said Obama. We all know how that went down.

  23. SW June 7, 2019 at 11:47 am #

    Brave New World Revisited was written by Huxley in 1958 — a little over 60 years ago. He stated then, when the population of earth was 1/2 what it is today, that overpopulation (with the associated problems of mass migration) and rapid advances in technology would take us down. There is no time-line that can accurately predict this. We’re reliant on technology most of us don’t understand & couldn’t hope to repair and a food supply that very few would have a clue how to reproduce for the next year. As people lose their ability to provide shelter for themselves, the horror show that’s happening in real time in west coast cities will become the norm.

    • malthuss June 7, 2019 at 11:54 am #

      Tree is older than you.

      • Tate June 8, 2019 at 10:52 am #

        “The Salem Religious Society of Friends burial ground had been her home for centuries,” wrote Rebecca Gower Ferguson. “The Quakers oversaw her care and she was lovingly tended to as family matriarch. A careful regiment of preventative care had been provided, which no doubt allowed her age far beyond the typical 200 – 300 year life expectancy for a white oak.”

        Trees are generally neither male nor female but hermaphrodites. The correct pronoun is “it,” not “she.” Rebecca Gower Ferguson is obviously one of these flaming radical feminists who insists on imputing human radical feminist politics onto Nature. She’s probably the obese waddling cloud of fat extrusion standing at the base of the tree. She might even have gender fluidity identity issues with massive trees.

        • GreenAlba June 8, 2019 at 1:15 pm #

          “Trees are generally neither male nor female but hermaphrodites. ”

          Ships aren’t any of those things. Perhaps the reason British Kings and Queens have always said ‘God bless her and all who sail in her’ has been their radical feminism.

          Men have been known to refer to cars in similar fashion. Quite often.

  24. volodya June 7, 2019 at 11:57 am #

    There’s posters on this site that laugh at JHK, telling us that his predictions of demise and disaster aren’t coming to pass and that they’re waiting, chuckling, amused as can be, for something that isn’t coming.

    Surprise, surprise, what’s supposedly not coming is already here, as evidenced by the ruinous state of the interior of the US and the armies of homeless right smack in the coastal bastions of enlightened progressivism.

    Maybe you’re young, born in the last thirty years and don’t know any different. Well, I’m old enough to know otherwise, it wasn’t always like this, there was a time of generalized prosperity, Blacks aside and Amerindians too.

    Or you may be old enough to know better but you refuse to see what’s outside the car window as you drive by, because it’s so discordant with what you tell yourself, or what people of your class believe. Or maybe you refuse to see what’s underfoot as you go get your daily latte. Jobs galore, prosperity abounds, right?

    Refusing to see reality doesn’t change it, the former being boarded-up factories and decrepit town centers with nothing in evidence but evidence of former prosperity, reduced to abandonment and collapse, or in the latter case, thousands of smelly, dirty-faced people camping on sidewalks or living under overpasses, some of them talking to themselves, many others lucid enough to ask passersby for change.

    Maybe you discount stories of medieval disease outbreaks in these encampments. Maybe you don’t believe yer lyin’ eyes. But maybe you have faith in what government statistical agencies tell us, or the exalted departments of political economy from such august institutions like Harvard and Yale, or mainstream status-quo advocates like the Economist magazine.

    Maybe look at the first. What they portray by way of numbers is exceedingly ugly, gigantic trade deficits as far as the eye can see, and colossal yearly government deficits and debts whose tallies comport more with figures that astronomers bandy about.

    These numbers don’t matter? They sure as hell do, their manifestation in the REAL world being the aforementioned wrecked towns and wrecked people.

    You can make up history, thinking that history is bunk anyway, that what matters is what you can fool people into believing. But an honest history is an account of happenings, and ignoring or lying about what happened doesn’t change the facts of those events, or the effects they leave in the real world.

    For example, large parts of the US were once part of Mexico, and while Americans with Hispanic surnames may be seen by some Americans as illegitimate interlopers, those surnames come from the historical fact of the US conquest of that land area, and of its prior conquest and occupation by another country. Facts are stubborn things, historical facts included, and they can’t be made to go away because they’re inconvenient.

    So, go ahead, anglicize and absorb and assimilate. After all e pluribus unum works, and this silly-assed notion of multi-culturalism doesn’t work, but don’t delude yourself as to where all these Spanish surnames came from. They’re not all illegals.

    Similarly, the prospects that ordinary people had fifty or sixty years ago are not a figment of the Hollywood story machine, nor a fictitious narrative of former glory of a racist and patriarchal country that’s thankfully going away.

    This isn’t fake history. I know because I lived it, many millions of dads like mine had breadwinner jobs, many millions of families were just like ours.

    And these families whose lives were destroyed by the deliberate machinations of American politicians in cahoots with the Davos Class are not racists and cretins and they’re not Deplorable. Their various interests are every bit as valid and legitimate as those of the people that think they’re better.

    What’s coming? Going where exactly? IMO in the next two of three generations, where we’re going is to a place that looks a lot more like 1850 than 1950. Those people that are currently running things that think they’re immune to upheaval by way of their wealth will find out otherwise as prior elites found out.

    Social media? Yes, the written letter delivered by river barge and by horse-drawn carriage and delivered on foot by a mail-man. Or, in the high tech case, a telegram transmitted by a telegraph machine.

    Learn to code? Better learn to farm, learn Morse code, learn semaphore.

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    • K-Dog June 7, 2019 at 12:17 pm #

      The Davos Class:

      The Occupy Wall Street Movement in the United States and the Indignados and others in Europe have identified the huge inequalities that prevail in our societies as “the 1 percent” and the “99 percent” that roughly coincide with the Davos Class and the rest of us, although the former is closer to one-tenth of 1 percent. In other words, they have identified the adversary, the class that maintains a rotten status quo. Our task now is to build a vast coalition of all those who agree with the diagnosis, all those who want to fight for their future but also for a fairer society, a better world, a healthier planet. Such alliances, which must become at once local, national and transnational, won’t happen by magic—they require conversations, debates and the concrete recognition that whatever our minor differences of opinion or emphasis, we are all on the same side.

    • elysianfield June 7, 2019 at 12:27 pm #

      As usual, an excellent post.

      “Learn to code? Better learn to farm, learn Morse code, learn semaphore.”

      Semaphore? Got you one better…I know a few hand signals…gestures, if you will. I have been using them more frequently, it seems, than I remember in the past.

      We are of the same generation….

      • K-Dog June 7, 2019 at 12:31 pm #

        I wonder how long it would take to program a little Japanese robot to plant carrots.

      • volodya June 7, 2019 at 12:40 pm #

        We learned semaphore in Scouts and I too seem to remember hand-signals. Or maybe it’s erroneous recollection. Too many years ago.

        Hmmm… but maybe you’re referring to hand signalling of the obscene sort? Yeah, I’ve used them.

        • elysianfield June 7, 2019 at 7:30 pm #

          “Yeah, I’ve used them.”

          As I do currently…I am, however, trying to curb the usage, considering that I am long past due for an ass whipping and at my age, it would be assured.

    • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 2:29 pm #

      V, which history? Since history is always told from the perspective of the winner or conqueror isn’t history at least always half-BS anyway? In that sense history is somewhat malleable is it not? I wonder how much concern American Hispanics will have for those Americans with Euro origin surnames as they are assisting their racial and cultural kin in carrying out the Reconquista (as many of them are doing now by the way)? Race blindness only goes so far. You will have to choose a side one day.

      • volodya June 7, 2019 at 2:57 pm #

        Losers write their own history too, the Japanese for example. They just will not face up to their army’s depravities in WW2. This pisses off the Chinese no end.

        Yes, multiple histories IOW. And, if you read Anglo histories of WW1, the Brits won it, American histories say the US won it, altogether ignoring the French army that held two thirds of the western front. If anybody, THEY won it, at least in the west, as they ground down the Germans.

        There’s no use in twisting histories, as you fail to learn its lessons.

        And, while we’re at it, the Soviets won WW2, at least against Germany. While the Brits and US and Canada played a useful role, it was the Red Army that bore the brunt. Without the invasion at Normandy, the Red Army would have made it to the English Channel.

        As to the Hispanics, most are – cough – “English dominant” ie, they’ve forgotten Spanish and even Spanish language broadcasters are broadcasting in English in recognition of that fact.

        And, irony of ironies, as if to defy race hustlers who for the hustler’s own power and advantage monger grievance and Hispanic separatism, Hispanics are identifying as “White”. Wouldn’t you? I would.

        The same goes for kids of mixed Asian and White parentage: they choose to identify as “White”.

        You can always declare your racial separateness as a badge of honor or pride or whatever. And I’ll bet a lot of people do. But, in the end, everybody has to earn a living and eat. The best way is to learn Standard English and act “White”. Blacks will come to learn that same thing.

        What I’m saying is that other people, Spanish included, choose a side as you say ie what ever is to their own advantage. The Viking conquerors of northern France did the same thing, they came to speak French pretty quick, before they went on to conquer England.

        • BackRowHeckler June 7, 2019 at 3:12 pm #

          Good point about Hispanics, V, and the reason I don’t buy the ‘Whites will be a minority in the US’ grift. First I noticed in the military a lot of guys with Hispanic names who didn’t know Spanish and had no links whatsoever to Latin America. Then there’s my in laws, fluent Spanish speakers, just a single generation into the US, but patriotic flag wavers, and politically speaking, to the right of Attilla the Hun.


          • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 6:03 pm #

            Brh! California is a perfect example of Whites becoming a minority and Hispanics becoming the majority. You are forgetting there is no incentive to assimilate into English-speaking White society anymore. Assimilation itself is considered racist now. All of the things you guys think are standard have already been erased. Of course there are exceptions but these are not the rule.

        • EvelynV June 7, 2019 at 4:33 pm #

          Russia would not have survived had Churchill done all but float ships on Brit blood loaded with munitions to keep the Russians in the game.

          Much as he was troubled by Stalin’s obsequious compliance with his non-aggression pact with Germany until Hitler finally attacked Russia, Winston realized that as long as Russia was still fighting against Germany, Hitler could not fully turn his attention on the Brits.

          The US was a late comer to the war and were it not for Japan, we’d have watched Europe succumb to Germany without lifting more of a hand than what Roosevelt was able to smuggle under the noses of an indifferent congress.

          • DrTomSchmidt June 7, 2019 at 8:40 pm #

            Germany couldn’t defeatBritain when she was fighting alone. Europe, which goes to the Urals, was never going to succumb. Certainly not after Hitler failed take Moscow before Pearl Harbor.

          • Nightowl June 9, 2019 at 4:06 am #


            Hitler was fond of the Brits. Had he wanted them annihilated, Germany could have ground them into the mud within a year. He let them survive.

            The Russians saved Europe, despite what my American countrymen would have us all believe. Had the Germans waited longer to engage Russia, D-Day would have been a flop. Heck, had Hitler not anticipated a landing at Calais, it still might have been, even without the Eastern Front.

          • GreenAlba June 9, 2019 at 6:35 am #


            “Germany could have ground them into the mud within a year. He let them survive.”

            That’s a nice interpretation of the Battle of Britain 🙂 .

            But you’re right about the Soviets. If the Germans had reached the Baku oilfields we’d all most likely have been speaking German by now.

            British people are entirely aware of the massive contribution of the US to winning the war, along with our other allies, and eternally grateful for it (my generation anyway). Most of them even overlook the fact that America would have watched the lights go out all over Europe and not go on again, had it not been for Pearl Harbour.

          • Nightowl June 9, 2019 at 2:01 pm #


            They waited too long to attack, hoping the Brits would just surrender. Hitler never wanted war with Britain, he considered them natural allies.

            I think that had he turned the full weight of the Wehrmacht on Britain, they would have had to capitulate at some point. The focus in the master plan, as I understand, was always the East, due to the desire to expand and, ofc, the fact that the Russians were ideologically Hitler’s natural enemy.

        • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 6:00 pm #

          V, I don’t think you are following the current paradigm too closely. You are speaking as if identifying and acting White is considered a good thing. When in fact all things associated with “White” are excoriated in public education, the media, colleges, etc., as being evil and worthy of complete abolition. There is no compulsion whatsoever to speak English or standard English. All things printed in English are printed in Spanish everywhere. Ebonics is an accepted dialect of English literally. Standard English is not even necessarily taught anymore because to enforce actual grammar and correct speaking is an act of White supremacy. Why do you think you have so many White people trying to find another identity? They have been taught to hate themselves. And please provide a link to the Spanish broadcasters who now broadcast in English. I have never heard of this.

          • hmuller June 7, 2019 at 7:12 pm #

            America has always been the land where you could redefine yourself and pretend to be something else.

            Long ago many light skinned mulattoes snuck into white society, including 3 of the 5 children Sally Hemings bore to Thomas Jefferson. Sally was herself three quarters white and a half sister to Jefferson’s wife.

            Many Jews and others changed their last names at Ellis Island or thereafter: Birnbaum became Burns; Lewinski became Lewis, Greenberg became Green. Senator Kerry’s grandparents were Cohens.

            At one time, people wanted to give up their old ethnic-racial identities and cross into the mainstream.

            Now we see the opposite, e.g. Elizabeth Warren, Indian Princess. Kind of funny how those left-wingers force affirmative action upon the nation, then discover within themselves a new ethnic heritage to ride the gravy train. But I digress.

            Yes, it’s wrong to denigrate or pin shame on any group, even white people. But that’s the identity politics of the globalists and a certain party – name rhymes with “demon-rats”. They want us divided. The reason is obvious. Together we would kick their evil, anti-human, globalist asses.

          • SoftStarLight June 8, 2019 at 2:34 am #

            I agree with you h that the Elite want to keep us divided. But apparently they want us in close proximity too. Seems to me the perfect recipe for chaos and conflict. And with the idea of assimilation going out the window it seems like there isn’t any way to prevent the balkanization of the country now.

          • volodya June 8, 2019 at 11:11 am #

            SoftStarLight, I know what you’re saying about White people being in bad odor among the intellectual set, especially the White professorial class, and punching bags for politicians, and not only non-White politicians but incredibly, WHITE politicians.

            I know what they’re trying to do, and it has got NOTHING to do with racial equality or the degraded state of Blacks or Hispanics or with anything they proclaim in public. If you judge them by their actions then their ploy becomes transparent, instigating conflict and animosity as a method of dividing and ruling. Keep people down and desperate and keep them working for peanuts.

            The SJW progressives doing this are all hungry for power and wealth and self-aggrandizement. You don’t have to look too far or too deeply to conclude that they could give a shit about Blacks or Hispanics, especially Blacks and Hispanics, as their condition year by year gets worse.

            So let’s imagine that what happens is that race hustlers in politics and academic hacks on campus pushing for a conflagration actually get one, and you start getting inter-communal violence, maybe Rwanda style massacres, or a long-running Lebanese style civil war. If this happens and if these Whitie hustlers and hacks think their whiteness won’t be noticed or that their position in a university faculty or public office insulates them, then they’re severely misguided. Of course it won’t be any better for their non-white counterparts, using the same ploys for the sake of their own power. They might escape the mob for a while but not forever. Eventually they’ll get dragged out of their hidey-holes.

            Or will events cascade in the direction that the string-pullers intend? Will they come out sitting rich and pretty at the top of the pile?

            In my view you can fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time. For all the mouthing of slogans for the past half century by so-called progressives, the places they administer get lousier and lousier for the folk that progressives pretend to advocate for. And the national policies they push for all point in one direction: wealth and power for a small elite.

            You can’t fool all of the people all of the time and so while Mr and Mrs Lopez may have gotten a sub-standard education, but they are not complete idiots and they can see what’s under their noses. Shit jobs, shit wages, shit health care, shit schools. Things get worse and worse. Who’s running the show? Who’s responsible for all this? And while there’s enclaves of rich Whites, there’s a lot of Whites that are in as dire a condition as the Lopez family and I doubt that this will also go un-noticed.

            As for racial differences, the Lopez clan will have Amerindian blood no doubt but also Spanish ancestry ie they’re in large measure “white” genetically. As for Amerindians, they share most of their genetics with East Asians but a substantial proportion is also shared with Europeans through common descent from a people that no longer exist and whose presence is only seen via DNA analysis; North Eurasians I believe these people are called by geneticists. Believe it or not we share blood kinship with native Indian folk.

            But the problem is a simple one: not enough jobs to go around. The USA can’t take care of the people it already has and it can’t deal with more. That is the essence of the problem.

          • volodya June 8, 2019 at 11:27 am #

            As to English language programming on Spanish language networks: Galavision

            Univision and ABC have been in a joint venture called Fusion to produce English language cable and satellite programming for English-speaking Hispanic/Latino American audiences.

            Uvision, Telemundo provide English language subtitling.

            Just some examples. I heard about this stuff a while back but I just dug it all up on wikipedia.

            Another thing according to a PWC report, Hispanics prefer English language TV shows by a wide margin:


          • volodya June 8, 2019 at 1:52 pm #

            hmuller, Warren makes me laugh. Talk about appropriation. What she did deserves derision and scorn, riding the backs of people she has no connection with and scant kinship. A con is all it was. I’ll bet that she’s got a higher percentage of Neanderthal ancestry than Amerindian.

          • EvelynV June 8, 2019 at 6:19 pm #

            SSL – please stay under your rock huddling in fear, imagining everyone not white hates you – you poor quivering Jabba.

            Your bleating is sickening so why don’t you dummy up and just leave conversation to the big boys and girls? Don’t you have some clothes to fold or something?

          • BackRowHeckler June 9, 2019 at 6:20 am #

            V, you gotta admit tho, if you want to see good looking babes, tune in the Spanish channel.

        • abbybwood June 9, 2019 at 12:21 am #

          This reminds me of the new movie about Chernobyl on HBO:


          And as a result, Russia is going to shoot its own version of what happened at Chernobyl, blaming the U.S.:


    • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 7:16 pm #

      Yes, your People have triumphed over Whites – but only for a season. New flash: your pawns see you as White even if don’t identify as White. And they will be coming for you too, eventually.

      The Hispanics will never fit it not do they want too. All ideas to the contrary are just Davos/Tribe propaganda. America is White and a non-White America is not the historic nation call the United States.

    • Mountain gal June 8, 2019 at 12:24 am #

      JHK often writes about the death of Main Street. I have found it so sad to see for myself former thriving downtowns in cities on the East Coast, MA, PA etc. which still have the empty remnants of streets full of boarded up empty stores. Some downtowns have revitalized themselves by becoming a tourist mecca with countless stores devoted to selling overpriced “artisanal” foods, crafts etc, but little of any remains of the stores that used to serve the real people that lived there; groceries, hardware stores, bakeries, shoe stores etc.

      I’m old enough to recall the thriving small mom and pop stores where I grew up and where we used to shop. Now it’s all cell phone stores, nail stores and fast food joints.

      And yeah, when a dad could actually support a family on what he earned with an average income. That was probably before my time as my mom had to work too as we couldn’t make it on just my dad’s salary even though he was college educated. Still, I know that was once the case although I didn’t get to see it.

      • volodya June 8, 2019 at 11:30 am #

        I saw it.

      • Epicur June 8, 2019 at 5:01 pm #

        Do not forget that the foundation of most small town, especially the relatively stable ones, was the aggregate effect of the small farms, many of which operated just above subsistence level. I was not Nirvana, but it was at least closer to sustainable.

        People forget that the flood of immigrant farm labor for agribusiness destroyed that foundation to provide cheap food for the cities. When I was a child in the ’50s my mother went regularly to the “curb market” where local farmers sold their produce in season. Every small town had one.

        Eisenhower, a “son of the soil” valued that foundation which is why he had “Operation Wetback.” As we became an urban, supermarket supplied nation we got the “Immigration Reform Act” of 1965 and tons of convenient frozen food. Now we get berries flown in from South America.

        Call it what you want, but it’s not sustainable.

        • Mountain gal June 8, 2019 at 9:22 pm #

          We do have lots of Farmers’ Markets in some places of course which is a good way for smaller farms to sell directly to the customer. I sold at a number of such markets when I was farming. I think they are definitely a step in the right direction as they directly link the customer with the farmer so long as they are “producer only” markets. Of course in my area the “better’ markets were quite upscale with artisanal cheese, expensive baked goods and pricey fruit and veggies. I liked selling at these cause I could charge a fair amount and the customers would pay it but shopping at one of these is difficult for those not well-heeled.

      • montsegur June 9, 2019 at 3:13 am #

        Some downtowns have revitalized themselves by becoming a tourist mecca with countless stores devoted to selling overpriced “artisanal” foods, crafts etc, but little of any remains of the stores that used to serve the real people that lived there; groceries, hardware stores, bakeries, shoe stores etc.

        Midway, Kentucky. Beautiful old town but exactly what you describe.


      • toktomi June 9, 2019 at 3:13 am #

        @Mountain gal

        That too was but an illusion. To be sad about bygone times that seem to have been so benevolent is a macabre twist of emotions. Times past were but fresh shit compared to the weathered fecal matter of today. It is all industrial human society, a rather sick experiment in human opulence.

    • montsegur June 9, 2019 at 3:00 am #

      Maybe you’re young, born in the last thirty years and don’t know any different. Well, I’m old enough to know otherwise, it wasn’t always like this, there was a time of generalized prosperity

      Volodya, yes! Gawd, today, those times seem like they were part of the history of another world.

      And these families whose lives were destroyed by the deliberate machinations of American politicians in cahoots with the Davos Class are not racists and cretins and they’re not Deplorable. Their various interests are every bit as valid and legitimate as those of the people that think they’re better.

      Word is both Pelosi and HRC came out of families that were part of organized crime. No doubt the Repubs have their share of these kinds as well. Well, with the criminals in charge, I guess the ending wasn’t going to be happy, was it?

      Social media?

      Social media is part of “operating inside the decision making cycle of the government” thing we discussed a few weeks ago. We’re all communicating so rapidly now, and adjusting our outlook along the way, that the traditional political machines can’t keep up. Thus dysfunction and chaos.

      learn Morse code, learn semaphore.

      Indeed, and it doesn’t need to be based on electricity. Napoleon used optical semaphore (chains of towers) and could communicate across the breadth of France in an hour or so. Not bad for the early 19th century.

      You always hit great topics.


  25. DurangoKid June 7, 2019 at 12:02 pm #

    The term emergent implies all the actors are scurrying about pursuing their greatest good and yet nobody is in charge. A million little accidents produce what becomes society and its economy. This is only partly true. Humans are primates and all primate societies are hierarchical. The ones at the top, in our case the ones with the biggest pile of tokens, have the most to say about the priorities, which is usually how to keep their piles of tokens big and growing. This is why socialism is such a hard sell. Those who have big piles of tokens abhor it and the wannabes ape their betters. If we dig a little deeper we find that socialism is alive and well among the rich. It’s just that like everything else, they’re reluctant to share it. Socialize the risk and privatize the profits is the order of the day all day every day. In order for great piles of tokens to exist there has to be two sets of rules. One for hording and one for extracting. Whether explicit or implicit, this arrangement creates tension between those with big piles and those with little or no piles. A compromise seems to be in order. Those with much give up a little to keep a lot. This is the bias in the emergent system. The system is allowed to emerge, but only in a limited space.

    As the pie gets smaller and interesting phenomenon emerges. A greater fraction of the populace is told to wait outside. Among those shown the door are the wannabes. The trouble starts when they have their expectations dashed on the shoals of a declining economy. That’s were revolutions come from. When a sufficient number of wannabes who were charged with keeping order find themselves in the cold, that’s when revolutions happen. A new hierarchy buds off from the old one and attempts to assert itself. Sometimes several of these buds confront each other to sort out who will have the honor of escorting the previous holders of big piles of tokens to the scaffold. That’s one of the downsides of owning a big pile of tokens. You can lose it all and sometimes with it your head. The rich are acutely aware of this. One has to wonder if this fear is the root of their irrationality.

    • K-Dog June 7, 2019 at 12:21 pm #

      Makes sense. The wannabees do the dirty work and expect to be rewarded but when the system can no longer reward the wannabees they turn. We are living in interesting times.

    • volodya June 7, 2019 at 12:27 pm #

      Those with much give up a little to keep a lot. – Durango

      If memory serves this is pretty much what Roosevelt told American oligarchs in the 1930s, that they can salvage the bulk of their fortunes by giving up some so that the little guy can live. Or they can risk losing it all just like the Russian aristocracy. It’s not like there weren’t competing ideas out there at the time what with communism and fascism, both systems having their origins at least in part in the destitution of the working classes.

      When a sufficient number of wannabes who were charged with keeping order find themselves in the cold, that’s when revolutions happen.- Durango

      Yep, pretty much.

      Sometimes several of these buds confront each other to sort out who will have the honor of escorting the previous holders of big piles of tokens to the scaffold. – Durango

      You bet. How many times have we seen this?

      That’s one of the downsides of owning a big pile of tokens. You can lose it all and sometimes with it your head. The rich are acutely aware of this. One has to wonder if this fear is the root of their irrationality. – Durango

      Hmmm…. my take is that they think they’re special, that they’re in no real danger, that they can ride things out. But in this they’re wrong and so “irrational”? Yes, in spades.

      • elysianfield June 7, 2019 at 12:36 pm #

        “But in this they’re wrong and so “irrational”


        Was watching the Keiser Report last night on the Tee Vee. Max was, as usual, railing against fiat currency…then he said that soon the world would return to hard currency…”gold and (wait for it) Bitcoin!”

        He actually equated gold and Bitcoin as “hard currency”. I watch the Keiser Report primarily for entertainment, but….

        I know that Max Keiser is emotionally involved in Bitcoin, probably heavily invested, also.


        • volodya June 7, 2019 at 12:47 pm #

          To create bitcoin requires rooms full of computers that use exorbitant amounts of energy. An arrangement as JHK sez, without a future.

          And never mind that bitcoin wallets are constantly getting hacked and the bitcoin stolen.

          There was once a time when banks issued bank-notes…

          • Ol' Scratch June 7, 2019 at 3:25 pm #

            Even bank notes are ephemeral. All currencies are just faith based promises to pay, with an implicit promise to be redeemable to someone else for something tangible on the back end. Once the faith in either one of those elements in broken, the currency is worthless. Of course bank notes possess the additional virtue of being burnable for heat.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 7:27 pm #

            As Lord Varys said, power is where men believe it to be. Once the State loses a credible monopoly on force, watch out. And their paper notes become worth as much as Confederate dollars.

    • darrell dullnig June 7, 2019 at 12:47 pm #

      “One has to wonder if this fear is the root of their irrationality.”

      These people are not irrational. If they were not fearful, they would be irrational. They may not be very comfortable when they think of how close they have ventured to the edge of instituting a genocidal plan to reduce the population on a planet that will not survive without such a plan, but they are not crazy at all. We cannot all survive the big squeeze, therefore, some of us must go. No volunteers? We have reached the point where we are truly going to experience the origin of the thought, “survival of the fittest”, in a very graphic manner.

    • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 7:24 pm #

      Quite so. That’s how National Socialists will handle them. But we’ll make them give up more, especially in terms of control and policy. But we will reward those who help us.

    • montsegur June 9, 2019 at 4:21 am #

      Sometimes several of these buds confront each other to sort out who will have the honor of escorting the previous holders of big piles of tokens to the scaffold.

      Pretty much the way Lev Trotsky got his Stalinesque headache.


  26. MiddlePeninsula June 7, 2019 at 12:20 pm #

    While I am not a sorry victim of obesity or diabetes from my banana moon pies, I do have a genetic disease. When big pharma stops pumping out for the orphan diseases, I am toast. Who would have thought my life would occur essentially during the golden age of technology. I couldn’t have existed with my set of circumstances in any other time. It’s been a great run.

    • K-Dog June 7, 2019 at 12:22 pm #

      Lets hope, no make! Sanity prevail.

    • malthuss June 7, 2019 at 1:33 pm #

      No–try acupuncture, herbs, macro or paleo diet.
      mega vitamins….

      • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 7:34 pm #

        Those are comparable to solar and wind compared to Lord Oil.

      • elysianfield June 7, 2019 at 7:35 pm #

        …Or learn to code, goddamn it….

    • EvelynV June 9, 2019 at 7:33 am #


      Disconcerting to have one’s life dependent on the slim tether between you and the pharma industry is it not? Not even the reassurance one can stockpile a supply to last beyond a collapse in the supply chain.

      The only consolation is knowing that one way or another we all have to punch out anyway and it’s just a matter of what kind of ticket it will be.

  27. Luhrenloup June 7, 2019 at 12:22 pm #

    At this point it becomes clear we are heading to that ol’ reliable, WAR, to scavenge needed booty. US bullying tactics have reached the level of diminishing returns. But problem is, the US have not only fouled their own nests but those of the world. Most western countries spout the same foolish nonsense. So the world gets pulled down a few notches. All to the good. Ethics, the rule of law, personal responsibility have a good chance of coming back once it’s understood that it’s the only solution.

  28. capt spaulding June 7, 2019 at 12:30 pm #

    It’s been said many times before, but it’s worth repeating. “Socialism is for the rich, and Capitalism is for the poor”. Govt. policies insure that more wealth flows to the rich, than goes to the middle class. Policies towards large corporations allows them to privatize profits and socialize losses. 2008 comes to mind in this regard. Under socialism for the rich, you can screw up big time, and uncle sugar will step in and save your bacon. All of this is done in the name of economic stability, of course. You know, saving the country.

    After the dust settled in 2008, nobody went to prison under Obama’s watch. In fact, the corporations didn’t even stop giving out bonuses to their top execs. They didn’t even slow down, just kept chanting “Cut taxes, Deregulate,” and it continues to this day. They don’t make enough Vaseline to offset the complete reaming of the middle class, so if you ever woke up with a sore ass, and grass stains on your knees, now you know why. “In a Democracy, you get the government you deserve”, so lube up folks.

    • 450.org June 7, 2019 at 1:44 pm #

      In otherwords, both systems have the unwashed coming and going. There’s no way out except extinction.

      • Epicur June 8, 2019 at 5:22 pm #

        Civilization, from the first, has depended on the exploitation of the unwashed. The primary alternative is a life raw and Darwinian in harmony with nature. Gardens of Eden, if any, have been rare and ephemeral depending on Malthusian limits to growth and geographic barriers against their fellow men.

        Life is not hard because of capitalism, monarchy, oligarchy, socialism or any other system. Life is hard because life is hard – that is its nature. A lesson soon to be learned by survivors.

        It is instructive that many people in “primitive” indigenous societies will quite willingly live on the fringes of civilization as beggars, petty thieves, and prostitutes if allowed the opportunity, especially if alcohol is available.

  29. volodya June 7, 2019 at 12:32 pm #

    There’s a dire excess of not only rainfall but of idiocy in Washington. I really don’t know what Pelosi is thinking when she sez she wants to see Trump in prison. Amp up the rhetoric, rile up the base, bring out the chanting, rock-throwing crowds?

    Maybe just tone it down a bit seeing as there’s more than one side to this dispute, and to anyone with eyes and ears, it’s apparent that the 150 Year American Cold War between North and South has been heating up lately. I don’t know, maybe Nancy missed it, but maybe she’ll accept my humble submission that this is no time for irresponsible talk. There’s been more than enough lately, there’s been some wild excursions into unreality what with hallucinations of Russians colluding and disrupting and whatnot. Come back to the real world Nancy…

    You can imagine what’s next. Somebody reacting to Nancy saying saying they want to see her standing on a scaffold? I have some advice for Nancy. SHUT THE FUCK UP. Not that she’ll listen.

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    • tucsonspur June 7, 2019 at 4:35 pm #

      Why not the scaffold? That way I won’t get tired of her hanging around!

    • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 7:36 pm #

      Nancy but not Chuckles? You’re a hoot.

    • EvelynV June 9, 2019 at 10:53 am #

      You’re right. Prison too good for the Donald. Unfortunately applying the death penalty is not a realistic option.

  30. RB June 7, 2019 at 12:45 pm #

    Old people are parasites. The ill are. Single parent homes are. Inmates are. Anyone on welfare. Lawyers. Professional athletes. Astronauts. Politicians. The parasite list is long and includes all who are not useful, productive, skilled etc. If you had to justify why you should be fed your next meal, what would that argument sound like? Mostly whining I imagine. Anyone who could wield a shovel would have more justification than Buffet. Downsizing is typically the corporate response to maintain a certain status. I suspect nature is going to exactly that on her own schedule. When shitting on sidewalks in LA, SF and Seattle is tolerated, when the country is overrun by the welfare seekers from down south, when antibiotics are becoming of no effect and so on, then I take it that Mother Nature is cranking up a downsizing process.

    It won’t matter how many guns you have or food in your basement. It does take a village to self sustain which is why people live in them. We hate each other too much for that to work.

    • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 2:35 pm #

      Because we don’t have anything in common anymore. How can a society function when there is no consensus on reality, purpose, the future, etc.?

      • Luhrenloup June 7, 2019 at 6:06 pm #

        There are no grown-ups left, Starlight.

    • EvelynV June 7, 2019 at 4:20 pm #

      RB, taking your point a little further, how do you justify any humans continuing to live? Not sure who escapes your list of parasites but whatever they are doing almost certainly doesn’t amount to anything more that enabling parasites to keep on keeping on.

      • RB June 7, 2019 at 11:10 pm #

        Good point. In my many decades, I have known 3 men and 2 women who are doers. They can repair stuff, fish, hunt, produce produce, fabricate etc. They would be at the core of any of Mr. K’s communities. I have known a LOT of people in my time. Even as the several age from the 5 above, they still have knowledge to impart and therefore are valuable no matter their age. Juxtapose those against the vast majority of people who are clueless. There are men who understand steam engine technology and in tourist locations they keep engines running and repaired. That is value.

        I don’t look for a complete collapse but I cannot deny the possibility. I do see a time when the government will cut back Social Security benefits 20 or 30 percent and means test every “entitlement”. But the only real way to gain control and continue civilization is reducing the parasites in great numbers. That can happen.

        • Mountain gal June 8, 2019 at 12:33 am #

          I recent decades the ones who have been rewarded financially are those in high tech, finance etc. Those who actually do physical work be it farming, construction, engine repair, etc. struggle to earn a living and aren’t respected.

          • AKlein June 8, 2019 at 8:23 am #

            MG, from what I’ve witnessed, in Corporate America being able to actually do something genuinely useful is often taken as an indicator of not having been “anointed”. From the perspective of many so-called corporate “leaders”, being able to directly perform useful work of any kind is perceived as an indicator of being wrong-minded. People with real and demonstrated skills are needed, but simply as “work units” and certainly not allowed any important decision-making responsibilities. Perhaps one can understand the rational of Pol Pot’s relegating Cambodia’s intellectuals, apparatchiks and other “superior beings” to the rice paddies for re-education. I have often though it quite compelling that in the Ottoman empire, the Sultan was required to have a personal, demonstrable skill. For example, Suleiman the Magnificent was an accomplished goldsmith.

    • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 7:38 pm #

      Yes Ma Nature is trampling down the vintage where the grapes of graft are stored. And Ma Chalmers and her soybean cult won’t save America either.

  31. 450.org June 7, 2019 at 1:43 pm #

    It’s hardly just Mr. Trump alone that is responsible for the chaotic paralysis all around us.

    I agree, but I’d take it further. Trump is not responsible for the chaotic paralysis at all any more than a symptom is responsible for the disease it reflects & indicates.

    Trump is an unadulterated mirror of the system that spawned him and brought him to power.

  32. 450.org June 7, 2019 at 1:57 pm #

    AOC considers solitary confinement inhumane. This shit stain agrees and like AOC fought for an end to solitary confinement within California’s penal system.

    I’m all for prison reform but let’s not pretend that within the walls of those prisons, private or public, there exist a not insubstantial number of inmates who are irredeemable monsters who have no place sucking our dwindling supply of breathable oxygen in an overpopulated world that needs to depopulate radically like yesterday.

    Leaders of Aryan Brotherhood White Supremacist Prison Gang Charged in Killings

    Prosecutors say a longtime leader of a rival black gang was killed just days after he was released from decades of solitary confinement.

    Despite its racist philosophy, the Aryan Brotherhood had a drug smuggling partnership with the Mexican Mafia, prosecutors

    Among the inmates charged is Daniel “Danny” Troxell, 66, a convicted killer serving a life sentence who was known for writing a federal complaint in 2009 that eventually led California to curb the use of solitary confinement.

    Prosecutors say he formed an unusual cease-fire alliance with leaders of other blood-rival gangs to promote the complaint.

    Black Guerilla Family leader Hugo Pinell, a killer with ties to the 1960s and 1970s black revolutionary movement, was among those released after 45 years in isolation, authorities said.

    They say two Aryan Brotherhood associates killed the 71-year-old Pinell days after he was moved in 2015 to a Sacramento-area prison.

    • Ol' Scratch June 7, 2019 at 5:12 pm #

      Nah! They’re just misunderstood.

    • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 7:42 pm #

      The Aryan Brotherhood began as a response to Black Terror against White Prisoners. And in this, it has been successful apparently. Dissenters say that two founders are just clever drug merchants who believe none of the ideology. It may well be so. But that doesn’t change the fact of why it was created – its legitimate need. Your Black hero is probably guilty of countless atrocities, including one or more against the AB. Don’t waste your tears on people like this.

      • Luhrenloup June 7, 2019 at 10:59 pm #

        Passing judgment on others should be left to a higher power. What’s needed on this planet is justice. I personally don’t think it’s a good idea to give rulers the power to assassinate their citizens. Sets a bad precedent which is bound to expand in ways unwanted. What’s more destroying one’s own species is truly ignorant.
        What should be done with the people you mentioned? We don’t live in their world or understand their code of behavior, and assuredly they have one.
        This code impinges on the rest of us. And since there are more of us than them we get to call the shots.I personally think we should deposit these people on an island with tools, seeds and a few other provisions probably a good set of encyclopedia and good luck! The island should be far from our shores.

        • Janos Skorenzy June 8, 2019 at 1:29 am #

          Yes, that was the plan: Send all Blacks out of America, either back to Africa or Central America. Jefferson and Lincoln both earnestly desired this, as well as many others.

  33. 450.org June 7, 2019 at 2:02 pm #

    Ford has announced that ALL models of its 2021 pickup trucks will come equipped with driver and passenger insulin pumps as part of its standard package. Ford’s research has shown that 75% of their loyal customers have diabetes so it only makes sense that Ford help them enable their disease under the aegis of managing it.

    • Ol' Scratch June 7, 2019 at 3:34 pm #

      Build toilets into all the seats as well and you’ve got a mobile home. Pull up to the drive through, take a shot of insulin with your meal, drive around a bit to digest, and then offload the proceeds into a convenient remote controlled dump valve holding tank beneath. House? What house? Haven’t moved once out of this here driver’s seat for years now!

    • AKlein June 8, 2019 at 8:38 am #

      What you report, 450, makes sense. Now I understand the verity of the adage applying to so many pickup truck drivers nowadays, specifically those whose (usually excessively large) pickup has never seen a load of anything in its load bed; “Big truck, little dick.” Diabetes, the acquired kind, is usually accompanied by excessive estrogen production, which, among other things, causes man boobs and shrinkage of the “wedding tackle”.

  34. Dumbedup June 7, 2019 at 2:11 pm #

    Socialism – I didn’t know she was a “nasty”.

    Look, moving towards regulation and control over predatory capitalism and corporatism which has resulted in the things our host listed above is not only logical it is an entirely sane response to the rise of the corporate oligarchy now running things in the USA. Nothing else will change the course of this country. It’s either that or we sink further and further into neo-feudalism.

    As Thomas Frank has recently written:

    “There was time when average Americans could be counted upon to know correctly whether the country was going up or down, because in those days when America prospered, the American people prospered as well. These days things are different.

    Let’s look at it in a statistical sense. If you look at it from the middle of the 1930’s (the Depression) up until the year 1980, the lower 90 percent of the population of this country, what you might call the American people, that group took home 70 percent of the growth in the country’s income. If you look at the same numbers from 1997 up until now, from the height of the great Dot Com bubble up to the present, you will find that this same group, the American people, pocketed none of this country’s income growth at all.

    Our share of these great good times was zero, folks. The upper ten percent of the population, by which we mean our country’s financiers and managers and professionals, consumed the entire thing. To be a young person in America these days is to understand instinctively the downward slope that so many of us are on.”

    Thomas Frank, Kansas City Missouri, 6 April 2017


    Our so-called free markets are a fraud and cartoon caricature of an economy. There is nothing free nor is there legitimate competition when, for example, 4 companies own all the insurers, 3 companies will soon own the majority of the cellphone business and 4 companies own all of the tools and yard equipment. We live in a socialist country now, but one in which the laws are designed to benefit the big players to the detriment of the rest of us including the consumers. How else does JPM get away with risking billions of dollars of customer deposits only to ignore (or should I say dominate) the regulators.

    What Elizabeth Warren and others want to do is restore some balance and control over corporate and monopolistic behavior. It starts with forbidding government officials from entering employment to or from the sector they regulate; reducing the influence of lobbyists in Washington, overturning the legal fiction of corporations as citizens, and repealing the Trump tax cuts.

    That is the only way that the average American is going to participate in wealth and income growth going forward.

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    • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 2:43 pm #

      Today’s garden variety Socialists tend to be all in for Globalism though which ultimately brings all of those lofty goals and dreams to naught. They are also servants of the Chamber of Commerce.

      • EvelynV June 7, 2019 at 4:12 pm #

        SSL – for a change couldn’t you simply spit up your pablum in the toilet where we didn’t have to know about it.

        • SoftStarLight June 7, 2019 at 5:49 pm #

          What’s da matter, you couldn’t come up with a real argument so you stoop to your usual personal insults? Why do you have to be so predictable Evelyn?

          • JohnAZ June 7, 2019 at 6:40 pm #


            I learned in school that when you did not have anything useful to say, don’t say anything. Evelyn must of skipped that class. Along with the rest of the Dems.

          • hmuller June 7, 2019 at 9:24 pm #

            Perhaps the image of throwing up into a toilet is a familiar one to Evelyn, one which immediately springs into her befuddled mind. We can only speculate as to why.

          • EvelynV June 8, 2019 at 3:26 am #

            That’s pretty confusing JohnAZ. When have you ever said anything useful?

      • Janos Skorenzy June 7, 2019 at 7:48 pm #

        Yes, even Establishment figures like Paul Krugman have said you can’t have a welfare state and open borders – but they’re for open borders nonetheless and often the welfare state as well! There’s a huge cognitive disconnect. The reasons for it could be many, depending on the individual.

        Krugs has said that Whites are being dispossessed and that’s a good thing. So he at least has an agenda and not one in our best interests.

  35. wm5135 June 7, 2019 at 2:31 pm #

    volodya i am still seeing what you are seeing, well said.

    When what is already here is more evenly distributed more will realize that it is not “them” who will suffer but “us”.

    “The Left now promises redemption…..” and the Right promises another round of taking it in the shorts. The captain is offering good advice in reference to personal lubrication.

    “At this point it becomes clear we are heading to that ol’ reliable, WAR, to scavenge needed booty.” Seen any references to the latest round of Rand war game analysis? “…..the Blue team gets it’s ass handed to it…..”

    Malthus i know your question is rhetorical but, slowly at first and then all at once.

  36. BackRowHeckler June 7, 2019 at 3:00 pm #

    Well James, here in the Nutmeg State, run totally by public employee unions and a min/lib urban coalition, and essentially bankrupt, they haven’t gotten the message. Here its all about ‘Infrastructure Spending’, which seems to mean spending billions we don’t have on pouring oceans of concrete to transform 12 lane limited access highways into 18 lane limited access highways, 6 story parking garages, at the same time building more and more gambling casinos.

    Since I can remember the goal seems to be cut down all orchards, plow up all meadows, and lay down as much black pavement as humanly possible.


    • libertysghost June 7, 2019 at 3:51 pm #

      In the Prairie State we exist much the same.

      I found an area nobody in Springfield seems to profit much from “developing” at least.




      Fair Tax=Unequal Taxation


      Do you get to pay for other people’s “choice”s there too? We are so lucky in the Land of Lincoln. But don’t fret, they “have a plan”…more casinos and legal weed!…and something else about encouraging more abortions I guess which in some way helps balance the budget they say.

      Our GOV recently said that Illinois was leading the way “by passing the most progressive budget in America”.

      What. The. Hell. Does. That. Even. Mean.


      • MiddlePeninsula June 7, 2019 at 5:30 pm #

        You probably know this but the State of Illinois appears regularly in magazines geared to governing as the poster child of budgetary and fiscal dysfunction. At one time, I believe there was $16 billion in unpaid bills. The general consensus is that no matter what tax revenue is collected, it won’t make a dent in the structural imbalances. The state’s credit rating is in the toilet too. I think many states will eventually get there. Illinois is just ahead of the curve.

        • BackRowHeckler June 7, 2019 at 5:51 pm #

          Connecticut is right behind Illinois, coming up fast..

          We had the advantage of a handful of super rich families in the Westport-Greenwich-Darien area, but , growing tired of being sucked dry, they’re clearing out one by one, year by year, headed for greener pastures.


      • AKlein June 8, 2019 at 7:31 am #

        Perhaps “… the most progressive budget…” is connected to the most progressive taxation plan. Progressive taxation, as I recall, is where the higher the income, the heavier (by percentage) the tax. So, essentially, a “soak the rich” plan. Of course, it never actually works out that way in practice because the very wealthy have ways of getting around many of the taxes, or just move out of the jurisdiction. So the scheme ultimately ends up “soaking the middle class” ultimately destroying them in the process.

  37. Robert White June 7, 2019 at 3:02 pm #

    The Cosmic Goodie Machine-CGM has provided plentifully for the elite .01% corporatist oligopolists over the last decade of stock buyback central bank QE regime worldwide Western Banking empire. Currently, central bank reprobates & functionary stooges in the Western Banking empire are proposing to trek back to the halcyon days of QE Infinity so that the Corporation of the United States of America can nationalize the so-called ‘Capitalist’ banks with the ever existent Greenspan Put Keynesian sugar tits & chocolate bars for the strung out monetary heroin junkies that littler the gutters & sidewalks/alleys of Wall Street.

    Please don’t feed the monetary heroin addicts of Wall Street.

    George W. Bush admitted that ‘Wall Street got drunk, and has a hangover’. As a reformed alcoholic & presiding POTUS that presided over the complete destruction of Capitalism on his watch that is some statement to make of the heartbeat of America & epicenter of global de-Americanization with respect to macroeconomic supremacy & world reserve currency status.
    gone awry.

    Socialism has replaced Capitalism in terms of Quantitative Easing central bank manipulation across the Western world.

    The mythology espoused by Republicanism is that Capitalism still exists in the form of tax breaks for the rich & connected wealthy American corporatists but those tax breaks & the deficit don’t exactly mix when foreign sovereigns decide that American debt is not worth the paper it is printed to excess on at the drunken sailor Federal Reserve that holds a balance sheet of previous Wall Street shenanigans & toxic waste.

    If I were China or the Russian Federation I would bet long on socialism and short Casino Capitalism due to the skim at the casino.


    • FincaInTheMountains June 7, 2019 at 3:44 pm #

      You are arguing about advantages and disadvantages of socialism without even realizing that there is no such thing as strictly defined socialism and even in the USSR there were huge differences between the socialism of Stalin and socialism of Khrushchev.

      Socialism of Stalin accepted private enterprise and free market competition, Khrushchev handed the entire economy up to the barber shops to the depressing bureaucrats.

  38. FincaInTheMountains June 7, 2019 at 3:29 pm #

    Ukraine as a suitcase without a handle for BOTH Russia and the United States

    This post is a continuation of the previous post “Ukraine as a living space for the Reich and a suitcase without a handle for Russia.”

    Well, about the fact that the current conflict between the two “fraternal” nations is the result of the plan of the Euro-Association, born in the depths of the European Union, contrary to, and not thanks to, the US plan to seize Sevastopol (Main Port in Crimea), I wrote, the President of Russia repeatedly said this, but unfortunately schizophrenia of the useful idiots of the Fourth Reich is not susceptible to reasonable arguments.

    The fact of the matter is that the seizure of Sevastopol by America is, of course, a very unpleasant thing for Russia, and apparently it was really planned in 2016.

    Polite green people (Russian paratroopers who liberated Crimea) were originally trained precisely for this, but if this scenario was realized, the conflict with Ukraine would have been settled long ago, but the consequences of the seizure of power in Kiev by Parubiy and Turchynov would not be exhausted for a very long time, and the intervention of Constantinople Patriarchate represents an existential threat to Orthodox Russia worse than the US fleet in Crimea.

    And the Fourth Reich should pay for it, and the fact that it supported the Nazis in Ukraine gives reason to abandon the final settlement of the issue of reparations for the attack of June 22, 1941, which was signed by Gorbachev on the pretext that Germany of Kohl had no relation to Germany of Hitler simply because it went through a denazification process.

    And for this, Germany should be a highly developed country receiving cheap Russian gas, and not a reptile lying in ruins, needing to be exposed to the Morgenthau plan (or, God forbid, a radioactive desert).

    As you understand, we are talking about fairly large amounts, far exceeding the money that the Medvedev government does not have enough to pay pensions, but Russian nationalists don’t give a damn about it – they would just rather see Russia turning into dear to their hearts Germany or as a last resort an ally of Germany in the war with the USA and Israel.

    But that’s not the point!

    Imagine for a moment that the United States no longer has reasons to support Ukraine (and the State visit to the UK and news from the United States, combined with Kim Jong-un, make it very likely), and the only obstacle for giving Russia freedom of action in Ukraine will be the possibility of the squeal of the American press in connection with the betrayal of the ideals of the propaganda of the 80s, that Trump would prefer the collapse of all his plans to Make America Great Again with the prospect of being convinced of the new possibilities of Russian weapons.

    So what will change in relations between Russia and Ukraine?


    And even if Zelensky wants to observe, for example, the Minsk agreements, he will not be able to do this. First, the Rada will not vote for changes in the status of Donbass, then the territorial battalions will refuse to carry out the cease-fire order, including because they receive orders not from Washington and will be used to discredit Trump in the electoral process of 2020.

    And even if Zelensky manages the new Rada, which will vote on the click of his fingers, sooner or later he will have to give the order to the Ukrainian Armed Forces to eliminate the battalions of thugs who sincerely consider themselves followers of Bandera and Shukhevych, and with the same success he can order them to go to the side of Donetsk and Lugansk.

    But the most important thing is that even Russia cannot change this situation, because the introduction of troops into the territory of Ukraine means giving all Ukrainians Russian citizenship and paying them pensions and salaries, or turning Ukraine into a normal Western colony ala the occupation of Ukraine by Germany in 1917, and here the Ukrainians may believe that the German boot on the Russian foot still remains the German boot.

    A ravaged country, with impetuous population that has lost hope for anything and divided along national-geographical lines, will inevitably explode again, and being included in the new USSR will poison it from the inside, just as it did to the old one.

    In general, the situation is pretty hopeless; Donbass will have to shoot not only at Western Ukrainians, but also at football fans who burned people alive.

    The fact of the matter is that the problem of Ukraine has only a military solution, the only hope is that Zelenky will arrange such a performance that all these brothers will die laughing, and there will be people who understand that brothers in blood are nonsense.

    There are brothers in Christ, there are brothers in culture, there is a military fraternity like between the Americans and Russians during the Second World War, but this fraternity was not with the British even during the war, which played its fatal role after it.

    We all still have to understand that the power of the Black World Project is not in the Vanguard’s money and not in the Fed’s printing press, but in Bastinda’s ability to manipulate the meaning of words, and before you do something in Ukraine, you must first restore their original meaning, or at least fix what words mean now.

    And I am afraid that we have lost the words Ukraine, and the word Ukrainian now means Russophobe, and the meaning of the saying “Who is not jumping is Moskal!” – “Who is not a Russophobe is not a Ukrainian!”

    And those Ukrainians who do not want to kill Russians will have to kill those who call themselves Ukrainians, and call themselves Malo-Russians (Little Russians).


    • EvelynV June 9, 2019 at 1:16 pm #


      Is there any way you could make what you write comprehensible? You posting a video that is all in Russian pretty much says it all.

      Try boiling it down and putting your words into language that means something to Americans.

      Who are the good guys, who are the bad guys, who’s winning?

  39. Pucker June 7, 2019 at 4:17 pm #

    Liberalism asserts the primacy of the Individual. Classical Liberalism tempered Individualism by emphasizing Virtue and responsibility and respect for Nature and Reality as a prerequisite to democratic self government. Modern Liberalism basically says that “Freedom” is the right to do whatever the Individual wants no matter how freakish and that Reality is not an obstacle and that Reality and Nature can (and must) be overcome with the power of the State and Science. Hence, globalization, Political Correctness, Trans Humanism, etc. Hence, the Freak Show….

    Patrick J. Deneen
    Why Liberalism Failed

    “When you’re born into this life, you’re given a ticket to the Freak Show. When you’re born in America, you’re given a front row seat.”

    – George Carlin

    Freakshow On The Dance Floor
    The Bar-Kays

    Dance freaks move around
    You know, get down
    Dance freaks move around
    You know, get down
    It’s like a freakshow, yeah, huh
    Freakshow, baby, baby
    On the dance floor
    There’s a freakshow
    Freakshow, baby, baby
    On the dance floor
    It’s just a freakshow
    People, they come
    From miles around
    To see the freaks on
    The floor throwing down
    They’re wearin’ miniskirts
    Huh, and camisoles
    Tight leather pants
    Or nothing at all
    You’ll be dancing
    One on one or two on two
    They’re dancing three on one
    ‘Cause there ain’t no rules
    Face to face
    And cheek to cheek
    They’re dancing on the floor
    For all to see
    Freakshow, baby, baby
    On the dance floor
    There’s a freakshow
    When you’re out on the floor
    Freakshow, baby, baby
    On the dance floor
    It’s just a freakshow
    Everywhere I go, yeah
    Freakshow, baby, baby

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    • Ol' Scratch June 7, 2019 at 5:07 pm #

      I’d update Carlin’s comment: “When you’re born in America, you’re PART OF the show.” You can’t live here and not be part of it.

      • AKlein June 8, 2019 at 7:20 am #

        Ha, OS! RIghht you are! I was thinking about updating Carlin’s quote myself. My update would be, “And if you live long enough, you become part of the cast, one way or another, either unwillingly, or more likely, unwittingly.

  40. Pucker June 7, 2019 at 6:46 pm #

    In the dystopian future, Pete and Chaz are in the White House. Chaz is talking on TV about how he and Pete like to give each other Buttijams and reminisce about how when they were young this was forbidden in the oppressive “Breeder” society. They threaten everyone who questions this party line as guilty of “Hate” and “Hate Speech” who should be crushed by the power of the Law and the State.

  41. tucsonspur June 7, 2019 at 6:48 pm #

    “Going Where, Exactly?”

    I think that we know where we are going, so maybe the more important question is, when will we get there? We are going to the place where one reaps what one sows, much like you described in closing Jim, and maybe a lot worse. Time of Arrival? 50-60years at the outside.

    The Age, or rather Moment, of Autosaurus Destructus is coming to an end. The Capitalists will prevail in the ideological tug of war with Socialism, until the end around 2075-80, maybe much, much sooner. The comfortable ride will be over.

    It is the Age of Anxiety morphing into the Age of Fatalism, as the Earth is destroyed around us, and as the politicians want endless Growth, as technology turns us into so many bytes and stores us on servers, servers subservient to the Gargoyle of Growth, to the Consume or Perish mandate.

    And here at home we truly do have a Toxic Masculinity, White Privilege virus running rampant through Congress. Whites that watch our nation being overrun by the Southern Hordes, Whites, pale in face and action, betraying their own kind. Wimpy, White weasels whistling past the graveyard, fueling the coming whirlwind.

    I’ll take a Black Panther any day. They fought and died for themselves and the ones they loved.

    • elysianfield June 7, 2019 at 7:49 pm #

      “I’ll take a Black Panther any day. They fought and died for themselves and the ones they loved.”

      In some parallel Universe that might have been the case, but not in this one…Or do you have information/perspective that I do not?

      Hint…I fought and jailed a dozen or so of the wannabees…including face time with Chairman Bobby Seale. You?

      If you had mentioned Malcolm X in the same vein, I would have agreed with you. There was a significant number of Black Muslims that were serious people…Black Panthers, not so much.

      • tucsonspur June 8, 2019 at 3:13 am #

        So Huey Newton and Bobby Seale weren’t serious? Please. Newton allegedly killed cop John Frey in 1967.

        Eldridge Cleaver and Bobby Hutton had a shootout with police in 1968. Hutton was killed and two police officers were wounded.

        Someone named Alex Rackley who the Panthers thought was an informant, was tortured and killed by them.

        Also in 1968 in Chicago, the cops killed Mark Clark and Fred Hampton, in what they described as a raging gun battle with over 100 rounds fired. Ballistics later found out that only one round came from the Panthers’ side.

        Of course the FBI had to declare them a communist organization and an enemy of the US.

        If you don’t believe that they had the stones and that they had the fight, just look at the pictures of that large armed group of Panthers entering the California State Capitol bldg. in 1967. Here’s one of them:


        I guess I have the perspective that you don’t. The right perspective. These people put their lives on the line for their own. Did you try to stop them? You say you fought them. How? Just yourself? With club and gun? Were they armed?

        Don’t get me wrong E, I’m not saying you were another jive ass honkey cop, but we all know what the cops have been doing lately, and I Know what they were up to back then. Not all, but many.

        I have little respect for the Privileged Whites who control the Congress. They’re cowards compared to the Panthers.

        • BackRowHeckler June 8, 2019 at 9:24 am #

          I knew Warren Kimbro, in whos apt alex rackley was murdered. They gave him a do nothing job at the state university I went to, his office right next to our VA office. He was quiet and friendly, mostly laid low and kept to himself. I only found out later he was a Black Panther and involved in the Rackley murder (but hadnt actually commited murder himself.)


          • tucsonspur June 8, 2019 at 5:08 pm #

            Amazing, the world keeps getting smaller. Had to look him up, and many articles say he killed Rackley. See one here:


            Pled guilty to 2nd degree and did four years. Go figure. See here:


            Maybe he just gave a line to a cracker.

          • BackRowHeckler June 8, 2019 at 6:44 pm #

            Im surprised to read there that Kimbro was suspected of pulling the trigger; he didn’t strike me as someone who was capable of that. And I shouldn’t have said he had a ‘do nothing job’, apparently he was mentoring ex inmates who were attending the university.

            I can recall a few nites I was staffing the vets affairs office and Kimbro was in his office, nobody else around, and we chipped in for a pizza together.


        • Janos Skorenzy June 8, 2019 at 1:54 pm #

          How about the Knights Templar? Is such heroism only for Blacks now? Of course I abhor violence as much as any man does…..

          • tucsonspur June 8, 2019 at 5:44 pm #

            Sometimes I love to watch it. Feel it. The White Heat. All too often I’m pococurante. I can’t dedicate myself to it.

            Down with the traitors in Congress, hiding behind their White Shields of privilege.

            Bring on the White Knights of Fury and cleanse the Temple!

        • elysianfield June 8, 2019 at 6:09 pm #

          I worked for several months with John Frey’s partner Cliff Haynes…he was shot by Newton, shot Newton in return…both obviously survived.

          They had no courage in their convictions…mouthing Marxist dogma…couldn’t even explain what they were saying in their own words. They were thugs that strong-armed businesses, threatened businessmen, etc. with murder and mayhem if they didn’t “donate” to the party.

          Huey Newton rarely was seen on the street…he was holed up in a penthouse on Lake Merritt…maybe saw him once on the street, and in the daytime.

          What did I use to fight them with? Usually a club, sometimes a flashlight…several times alone, mostly with my partner.

          “Helping their own” was mostly propaganda. The press loved the concept….

          As I’ve said before, I respected then the Black Muslims…they were serious, law abiding, family centered. They didn’t pistol whip whores and tailors. Panthers were posers, mostly clowns with an attitude. They should not be your heroes.

          • tucsonspur June 8, 2019 at 7:30 pm #

            I understand that I don’t have the up close and personal experience, and that many Panthers may have been inarticulate thugs.

            At that time the oppression of blacks was truly horrendous. I have to believe that some of those Panthers, if not most, were fighting against that oppression and were in that way supporting their people.

            Let’s just say I have a lot of respect for Some of the things they did.

            MY experience as a former civilian resident of NYC? Both knives and guns pulled on me, not often, but enough. Discretion the better part of valor. Some fist fights where I usually did ok.

            Almost too tame out this way.

            Kudos to you for being on the front lines, and I’m going to believe that you never crossed any.

          • elysianfield June 8, 2019 at 9:40 pm #

            Yes, blacks in this country did get the short end of the stick…. However, In Oakland, I never saw a family starving or homeless and living on the street. Many owned their own homes. many did own a vehicle, school kids were not dressed in rags. Poor? Mostly lower middle class.

            There was, at all times, an ungodly amount of crime. Most beat officers had zero patrol time…they went from call to call during their 8 hour shift. These were called-for services…from black families/victims. The Panthers did not want us answering those calls…they said it was oppression of the black community…because we carried guns and made arrests. Their rhetoric became strident…kill the pig. Off the pig. Fuck the pig.

            We were not sympathetic to their arguments that were rife with Maoist dogma. We rarely responded to their taunts…just part of the job.

            Regarding the Panthers…what exactly did they do that was praiseworthy? They had a meals program. What else?

        • malthuss June 9, 2019 at 10:50 am #

          Bettys corpse ended up in the bay.

    • EvelynV June 9, 2019 at 1:21 pm #

      Elridge Cleaver went abroad and upon return kissed the soil he left and sang the praises of the land where the buffalo roamed and the antelope played all day.

      • elysianfield June 10, 2019 at 4:19 pm #


        Cleaver was relatively intelligent. In one of his books he admitted to being a rapist of white women…targeting white women…he was unapologetic.

  42. Pucker June 7, 2019 at 7:47 pm #

    Trans Humanism – Freak Show…..

    “Dewey traced his thought back to Francis Bacon, whom he considered the most important thinker in history. Bacon, he wrote in his Reconstruction in Philosophy, teaches that “scientific laws do not lie on the surface of nature. They are hidden, and must be wrested from nature by an active and elaborate technique of inquiry.” The scientist “must force the apparent facts of nature into forms different to those in which they familiarly present themselves; and thus make them tell the truth about themselves, as torture may compel an unwilling witness to reveal what he has been concealing.” 5 Today’s liberals recoil from such bald expressions of hubris, but rather than reject Dewey’s effort to eliminate culture toward the end of dominating nature, they are inclined to accept the liberal belief in human separateness from nature and insist upon the conquest of humanity—whether through the technological control of the natural world (“ conservative” liberals) or the technological control of reproduction and mastery of the human genetic code (“ progressive” liberals). A core feature of the liberal project is antipathy to culture as a deep relationship with a nature that defines and limits human nature.”

    Patrick J. Deneen
    Why Liberalism Failed


  43. Pucker June 7, 2019 at 8:00 pm #

    “Going where, Exactly?”

    Are you a “Progressive”?

    “Like classical liberalism, progressivism is grounded in a deep hostility toward the past, particularly tradition and custom. While widely understood to be future-oriented, it in fact rests on simultaneous assumptions that contemporary solutions must be liberated from past answers but that the future will have as much regard for our present as we have for the past. The future is an unknown country, and those who live in a present arrayed in hostility to the past must acquire indifference toward, and a simple faith in, a better if unknowable future. Those whose view of time is guided by such belief implicitly understand that their “achievements” are destined for the dustbin of history, given that the future will regard us as backward and necessarily superseded. Every generation must live for itself. Liberalism makes humanity into mayflies, and unsurprisingly, its culmination has led each generation to accumulate scandalous levels of debt to be left for its children, while rapacious exploitation of resources continues in the progressive belief that future generations will devise a way to deal with the depletions.”

    Patrick J. Deneen
    Why Liberalism Failed

  44. FincaInTheMountains June 7, 2019 at 8:15 pm #

    The majority of the assaults were committed in the Soviet occupation zone; estimates of the numbers of German women raped by Soviet soldiers have ranged up to 2 million == GreenAlba

    That reminded me of a joke about the Soviet weavers who returned their trip to Italy. Girlfriends in the shop meet them and ask:

    – Well, how is Italy?

    – Oh, terrible, these Italians are so wild. Imagine, we are sitting in our room and cooking soup with an electric kettle. Suddenly, the Italians burst in and rape us all except for one.

    – Why wasn’t she raped?

    – Because she did not want to.

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    • FincaInTheMountains June 7, 2019 at 8:21 pm #

      … And then she climbed on top of him; and he realized that the rape somehow did not go too smoothly.

    • GreenAlba June 8, 2019 at 7:29 am #

      They’re not my figures, Finca. They came from Wikipedia, which you are often pleased to quote yourself. There are references, of which you may make what you will.

      If you are casting a slur on German women of the 1940s, then I must leave it to someone German or of German origin on here to defend their honour. Only polite.

      But it is not a small thing to deny mass rape or laugh about it, so I’ll leave that with your much-flaunted Christian conscience. Suffice it to say it leaves a bad taste.

  45. FincaInTheMountains June 7, 2019 at 8:31 pm #

    Compare the faces of “unfortunate raped German women” with those on the streets of Soviet cities liberated from Nazi occupation.

    Berlin in July 1945, Soviet Zone of Occupation


    • FincaInTheMountains June 7, 2019 at 8:35 pm #

      And Roosevelt, by the way, offered to liquidate Germany once and for all, and settle the remaining Germans around the world, forbidding them to gather more than 10,000 in one place. But Stalin said: “The Hitlers come and go, but the German people remain!”

    • GreenAlba June 8, 2019 at 7:32 am #

      It’s not a competition, Finca. You seem to have forgotten the statement to which I was originally responding.

    • GreenAlba June 8, 2019 at 7:33 am #

      The Russian people were our allies. Rapists are no-one’s allies, whether they are Russian, German, American or British.

      • malthuss June 9, 2019 at 10:51 am #

        study black rape in USA. Ask Norman Mailer about prison rape.

  46. auburn June 8, 2019 at 12:57 am #

    “The Left now promises redemption from these great quandaries with the tag-team of Robin Hood and Santa Claus ushering in a new golden era of free stuff.”

    Which is preferable to the Right’s promising a tag team of Scrooge and the Grim Reaper. The money for health and education is available with a change of budget priorities and a wealth tax.

    As Elizabeth Warren proposes:

    “The money would come from the 2% annual tax she proposes to levy on accumulations of wealth exceeding $50 million, with an additional 1% on wealth exceeding $1 billion. Warren justified the link by asserting that higher education financing has long been crimped by tax cuts for wealthy Americans and corporations.”


  47. BackRowHeckler June 8, 2019 at 1:27 am #

    Happy Pride Month, CFNers!

    No, celebration is not mandatory, yet..

    Once Pedro Buttplug is elected in 2020, you will be required to submit a report to your nearest Campus PD, listing steps you have taken to promote LBGQ Pride during Pride Month. Use your imagination and get the kids involved. Prizes will be awarded for the best float in the Pride parade, which has replaced the Memorial Day parade in your town. Attendance is strongly suggested, and you’d better have a smile on your face and a Pride flag in your right hand.


    • Janos Skorenzy June 8, 2019 at 1:51 am #

      The Trannies have the TERFS (Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists) on the run. The Feminists have only themselves to blame. Stage Two Feminism emphasized how men and women were basically the same, so why shouldn’t someone just choose to be the other gender – since it was just a social category anyway?

      The TERFS focus on feminine suffering under Patriarchy and hold it up as a red badge of suffering that has to be earned. Trannies are thus just gate crashers and enemies in drag. The Terfs aren’t really promising allies for us….


    • SoftStarLight June 8, 2019 at 2:15 am #

      Yes, celebration will soon be mandatory and thus attendance and participation as well. And you better have a smile on your face or its a year in reeducation camp for you courtesy of the Gay Mafia. Remember, they have all the major corporations, the media, Hollyweird and DC in their camp. They are working on the schools, churches, and apparently libraries now too.

      • BackRowHeckler June 8, 2019 at 8:58 am #

        Yes, elites in govt, media and universities going balls to the wall for 2% of the population, promoting the Freak Show at all levels. I have to say PBS might be the worst. One has to ask why, to what purpose are they doing this?


        • SoftStarLight June 9, 2019 at 6:48 pm #

          Anything to undermine and erase Traditional America IMHO.

          • Mountain gal June 9, 2019 at 11:03 pm #

            Yes, as a straight white woman I am vilified. Haven’t figured out why being straight and white should be a problem. I’m just old-school I suppose. Not gonna apologize for it though.

  48. Janos Skorenzy June 8, 2019 at 2:48 am #

    Street Artist fights back against Satanism.


    • hmuller June 9, 2019 at 12:51 am #

      Miley Cyrus strikes me as an alumnus of the Monarch program (along with a lot of the young “talent” in entertainment), inducted into the luciferian cult.

  49. Janos Skorenzy June 8, 2019 at 2:58 am #

    Globo-Homo tries to quash nascent Straight Pride Movement. God bless these people. What a great idea – one desperately needed. Meanwhile Trump is celebrating Gay Pride month on twitter. What a hero.


    Note the wording. Mayor Marty Walsh wishes he could. But why? He’s not? Because he had adopted the idea and values of his Masters. Their Will is his will. If they told him to become Mary Walsh, he’d do it.

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    • SoftStarLight June 8, 2019 at 3:35 am #

      This one and the story above are both great examples of how we’ll beat them at their own games. After all we are better at it than they are when we are awake and aware. We are going to be winning a whole lot and it will be in spite of Trump. So Satanists and Globo Homo get ready because the Straight White people are coming and you can’t and won’t win so give up.

      • capt spaulding June 8, 2019 at 10:08 am #

        It’s curious how I often see the players on winning sports teams thank God for granting them success, but I have never seen anybody on the losing team blame Satan for their losing the game.

        • Janos Skorenzy June 8, 2019 at 12:37 pm #

          Get off my TERF.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 8, 2019 at 12:47 pm #

        We must try to get the TERFS on our side. We need Tough Terfs.

        I fear Heterosexuality is going to become option b, with more and more kids adopting “the oppressed (glorified) option a” as some kind of valued identity. Putin is right to not allow Pride Parades. Russian patriots attack them and when the police show up, they help the patriots not the Gays. You can have normal racial and patriotic Pride or you can have Gay Pride. You can’t have both.

        • GreenAlba June 8, 2019 at 1:22 pm #

          “I fear Heterosexuality is going to become option b, with more and more kids adopting “the oppressed (glorified) option a” as some kind of valued identity. ”

          Got any verifiable figures to go with that? I find it’s generally useful to have a bit of perspective.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 8, 2019 at 1:59 pm #

            No, no such figures are kept since anyone who kept them will be destroyed, but we do know that the numbers of tranny kids has exploded thousands of percents. You think it’s normal of course and any mother who has a confused kid breaks into her happy dance and rushes out to buy a new wardrobe for the changeling. So you’re not alone. Many others watch the Media too. BBC is Big Brother. And viewers are his children. Or her children.

          • GreenAlba June 8, 2019 at 2:28 pm #

            OK, let’s take your pearl-clutching hysteria a bit at a time.

            No, no such figures are kept since anyone who kept them will be destroyed,

            Ah, of course. The argument for which there is no argument. Neatly done. complete nonsense but neatly done.

            The percentages of homosexuals are available for most countries, including yours. Try not to be silly.

            “but we do know that the numbers of tranny kids has exploded thousands of percents. “

            Bewilderingly, mind-numbingly idiotic tripe. ). 0.6% of the American population identifies as transgender. A total of 4.5% identify as LGBT, which includes that 0.6%. You have more to fear from UFO rectal probes.

            You think it’s normal of course… etc. etc. ad nauseam…, {yawn},

            I do not think it’s ‘normal’. The statistics (0.6%) tell me it’s not ‘normal’. I have listened, however (only a little because transgenderism is not remotely one of my interests) to young people talking, quietly and earnestly, about their identities and how strongly the experience them. I am not in any position to judge them either way, having neither had a child identifying as transgender nor ever having known anyone who has. No-one, ever.

            Homosexuality, on the other hand, while patently not ‘normal’ in the statistical sense, is ‘natural’. It occurs naturally in the human and non-human animal world, and remains constant even in countries that display the most barbaric and irrational responses to it, which is bizarre for something so many believe to be a ‘choice’.

            So carry on clutching your pearls hysterically if you want to – an inhaler might help. But don’t tell me what I think, what I approve of, what my reactions are or what I want to see taught to kids, because only I know that. And you remain clueless.

          • GreenAlba June 8, 2019 at 3:30 pm #

            And this is what you get when the homophobes feel validated by a move towards ‘populism’, which they interpret as their time having come to attack anyone of whom they disapprove.


            Alt-right wing websites don’t care that the hatred and bigotry they spew affects real people going about their everyday business. It’s what they want.

          • GreenAlba June 8, 2019 at 3:43 pm #

            And note the women weren’t attacked for displaying their sexuality but for REFUSING to do so for the gratification of the boys/young men or whatever you want to call the vile toerags.

            Bigoted, thick hypocrites.

          • BackRowHeckler June 8, 2019 at 4:02 pm #

            GA, you’re starting to come across as the grim, humorless schoolmarm type, but instead of hammering us with the 3 Rs, its climate change, and PC platitudes. For God’s sake loosen up a little.


          • GreenAlba June 8, 2019 at 4:14 pm #

            Responding to Janos’ malevolent accusations and ludicrous hyperbole, and pointing out the real-life effects on innocent people of your (plural) endless homophobic witterings may be schoolmarmish to you, brh. Believe it or not, I can live with that.

            But yes, your accusation is typical male crap to shut anyone up who won’t put up with it.

            Not much different from men who call women ‘lezzers’ because they refuse their advances.

            Sorry, not in laughing mood – there’s too much crap around.

            I’m guessing it got to you, though, so good.

          • BackRowHeckler June 8, 2019 at 4:46 pm #

            Green Alba

            Do you find it interesting there’s been no physical description given of the ‘youths’ who beat up the two women you reference?

            In the American media, ‘youths’ usually mean one thing.

            In the American media — and probably the British media too — you have to think in code.


          • GreenAlba June 8, 2019 at 5:07 pm #


            “Do you find it interesting there’s been no physical description given of the ‘youths’ who beat up the two women you reference?”

            No, I can honestly say it never occurred to me, with it being a homophobic attack it was the the fact that they attacked young women minding their own business that I was paying attention to. And the fact that they wanted them to ‘perform’. Other times they get beaten up for being less circumspect. You really can’t win, can you, in these situations?

            But now that you mention it, maybe it’s because they’re mostly underage, but I wouldn’t know.

            I’m not at all surprised at your change of tack, though, brh.


            And I can’t see the relevance at all anyway. I gather from another site that this happens all the time to such women and all over the country, some of which has very few of the people you would like to see implicated.

            “In the American media, ‘youths’ usually mean one thing.”

            It means one thing here too, brh. It means a male teen.

            you have to think in code.

            I’m sure you do, brh.

            Anyway, it doesn’t matter to me who they were. They were bigoted ‘youths’ who haven’t been taught to mind their own business on public transport or elsewhere.

            And it doesn’t seem to matter to your friend Sadiq either, since he’s denounced it as a ‘disgusting, misogynist attack’ no matter who they are – and perhaps he knows more than us.

          • GreenAlba June 8, 2019 at 5:09 pm #

            One of the victims said one of the boys had a Spanish accent but the rest had British accents. That’s all it says. But I don’t see why it matters. The constant homophobic undercurrent on here is being generated by nice, white conservatives.

          • GreenAlba June 8, 2019 at 5:25 pm #

            I don’t mean women getting beaten up happens all the time, I mean couples being harrassed by revolting men pressing them to sexually entertain them, as if they were on flippin’ Pornhub.

          • benr June 8, 2019 at 6:06 pm #


            It’s odd how different people have very different experiences.
            In my world the nastiest people I run into day in and day out are feminists frothing about toxic male masculinity and butch dikes both of which seem to be oozing testosterone.
            There is NOTHING more toxic then a women trying to act like a man NOTHING.
            The butch dikes are always looking for a confrontation and the first to cry racism, or bigot then want to call the police when the get one.

          • GreenAlba June 8, 2019 at 8:13 pm #


            Which of these two young women terrifies you with her oozing testosterone, brh?

            They just look like any other young women to me. The dark-haired one seems to be a doctor. I’ve seen scarier women out on hen nights. And they weren’t scary.

            I’m not surprised you have problems in your country living with one another. Everyone seems to be over the top about everything. Starting with you.

            Now you want to blame two young women for being beaten up by five teenage scumbags who wanted them to ‘perform’ for them. That’s sick.

            I never meet any of the kind of women you describe ever. Never have. Maybe you’re a butch dyke magnet.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 8, 2019 at 8:29 pm #

            What about Transwomen and their violence against TERFS? Eh? Eh? Tough Titty so you left that one alone.

          • benr June 8, 2019 at 9:04 pm #

            Odd how I relayed a detail to you and on the attack you go. Typical.

            Gay pride in America is a very in your face function might be different in merry old England but here in the states it’s all very in your face and woe unto you if you are not beaming a smile as the gay men gyrate on each other and stick their tongues down each others throats right in front of your kids.
            This was going on at the county fair!
            Call me any name you want GA I don’t really care about your opinion in the slightest.
            You are like every other raging liberal SJW type shoveling the same Pablum and gruel sad soap song at the world.

            Reminds me of the Jussie Smollet bullshit to be honest but no one has the right to assault anyone minding their own business so if the story is true I hope these guys have their trial and go to jail.

          • Slugoon June 9, 2019 at 5:10 am #

            GA is getting a hard time here and it’s unwarranted. This really was a senseless attack on two innocent women and it’s hard to understand why a man would attack a woman in such a way, notwithstanding her sexual preference.

            However, I don’t like the association with ‘populism’. This is one of the key smear words used in the media, almost up there with ‘Nazi’ or ‘racist’. Populism is the foundation of genuine democracy, for good or ill.

            The numbers of LBG-whateverisisnow are probably far smaller than you would believe from the media but the agenda is constantly rammed down our throats so you can’t get away from it. Even minorities are sick of it: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/token-one-black-friend-ads-annoy-minorities-9zrjrjtgn

            However, there’s no denying that the PC Brigade cannot bring themselves to call a spade a spade. Just witness Khan’s response to knife crime in London. Apparently it’s nothing to do with the culture of hordes of fatherless black teenagers ‘splashing’ each other. It’s the lack of police. Talk about treating the symptoms and not the cause.

            Sorry for going off on a tangent.

          • GreenAlba June 9, 2019 at 7:39 am #


            Apologies to brh, first, for saying ‘brh’ instead of ‘benr’ in a previous post, but at least you recognised my response was aimed at you.

            You still haven’t told me which of the women’s oozing testosterone scares you witless with its toxicity.

            What goes on in the US, which you don’t like – and much of which I wouldn’t like either as you would know if you’d bothered to read a post in which I was quite clear about it to WalterB some time ago, but of course you don’t read what you don’t want to see, has fuck all to do with an attack on two innocent women on a bus in London. But it does have to do with the constant underlying homophobia that exists in both countries.

            Lesbian women minding their own business have always had to put up with this shit from men who just can’t help displaying their moronic attitudes in public – men who have, in addition, learned from pornography that female sexuality can only be for their entertainment. In addition they have to put up with the ‘you just need to meet the right man shit (them, clearly – they often make the offer, bawled out in public. It’s endless.

            “You are like every other raging liberal SJW type shoveling the same Pablum and gruel sad soap song at the world.”

            Like I said, if you can’t read it’s not my problem.

            “Reminds me of the Jussie Smollet bullshit to be honest”

            Thanks for being honest about your knee-jerk prejudices. I expect they punched their own noses and spread the blood down their own clothes.

            but no one has the right to assault anyone minding their own business so if the story is true I hope these guys have their trial and go to jail.

            How sweet of you. Jeez… Maybe I should pass on your concern to them – I’m sure they’d really welcome it from someone like you.

          • GreenAlba June 9, 2019 at 8:20 am #

            And Twitter is full of the usual dickheads saying the same thing: Why won’t the police release details of the assailants (because it’s illegal, since they’re underage), so that the public can help find them (they’ve already been arrested, dickheads).

          • GreenAlba June 9, 2019 at 9:37 am #


            Thanks for the measure bit of support at the beginning.

            Re different bits of your post:

            (1) Tokenism has been a thing – and criticised as a thing – for decades. Whether it’s women or minorities. Women get pissed off with tokenism too, including when it’s one women invited on a panel show!

            (2) I used the word ‘populism’, not exactly accurately and a bit ambiguously, to avoid several paragraphs of what happens when cultural moods shift one way or the other, for various reasons and generally as reactions to other cultural moods. Back and forward, left and right, liberal and conservative. So you can have the paragraphs 🙂 .

            When I was young (before your time) there were signs on boarding house doors and rental flats that said ‘no blacks, dogs or Irish’. You know the story. And you could be jailed for being homosexual. Or hounded to suicide, like Alan Turing, even if you’d saved millions of Allied lives.

            Then things gradually moved and it wasn’t OK to equate black and Irish people with dogs and you could be who you were, sexually, without going to jail, although to this day people kill themselves (I knew and worked with one) because of the stresses and loneliness, and often fear of family disapproval, because they know they’re different. Killing yourself for a ‘lifestyle’ choice, as the ignorant would have it.

            Then that too swung further than the original people who just wanted dignity and freedom would probably have chosen. The few gay people I know – one nephew and a small number of friends/colleagues – are quiet, unassuming people who either have a steady partner (or husband) or wish they did.

            So gay ‘pride’, which people were perfectly entitled to express when they were denied it and told they should be ashamed of themselves and hide from public view, ballooned as things can, and now, as you suggest, it has in some ways gone from ‘the love that dare not speak its name’ to ‘the love that won’t shut up’.

            That’s still a small minority of gay people. My nephew comes up here every year for the Edinburgh Fringe – we’ve never had a conversation about his gayness or gayness in general – why would we? – and he just looks like any other visitor to the Fringe.

            Currently, we’ve swung again (or a sector of the population has) to castigating everything that can be derided – legitimately or opportunistically – as ‘PC’. That goes from getting annoyed at people who won’t accept that Islamicists are not entirely benign (they’re not, but most Muslim people in the UK are) to thinking it’s OK again to insult gay people in the street. Or women who don’t want to respond to your unsolicited come-on. Freedom of speech – yay – we can be rude to people again and the liberals can f**k off.

            So it’s a sort of cultural anti-PC populism that feels it can take liberties again because it feels the tide is turning in its favour. It’s not the same as the political ‘populist’ Brexit vote, which is entirely legitimate, but it includes the people who shouted at black and brown people immediately after the Brexit vote and told them gleefully that they’d now have to go home, even though they were British and Brexit had nothing whatever to do with them. Hate crimes increased after the vote – that’s a fact. A Polish man was murdered in the aftermath. An English MP was murdered by a far-right extremist before we’d even voted.

            (3) You say homosexuality and trans issues are shoved down your throat. I must be lucky because it’s not shoved down mine. Once in a blue moon I hear there’s a gay pride rally somewhere and I pay no more attention than if I heard there was a rally to support hamsters with ingrown toenails.

            And I have a six-year-old grandson, who’s blissfully unaware of what gay means, or what trans means, and probably even what sex means. And he doesn’t get stories read to him by drag queens. He has a sign on his bedroom door that says ‘no girls alowd (sic)’ (because they’re boring, apparently, and don’t want to play computer games) and he giggles now when he looks at one of the fridge magnets my husband brought with him 14 years ago – there’s one of the top half of Canova’s Three Graces from whichever museum he saw the sculpture, and another one which shows a detail of one ‘Grace’s’ very graceful rear. That’s where he’s at developmentally. Which is fine. I smile at his giggling at the ‘lady’s bottom’ as he calls it and have explained what it is.

            I suspect his mum’s main worry over the coming years will be his almost unavoidable exposure to current wall-to-wall mainstream heterosexual pornography, including the highly popular kind among heterosexual men that involves degrading and brutalising women, rather than anything to do with the infinitesimally small number of trans people around, or slightly greater number of gay people. And, culturally speaking ‘in your face’ doesn’t begin to cover it.

          • GreenAlba June 9, 2019 at 9:55 am #

            Several typos in there, including the one that’s mean to be Islamists. I won’t bother correcting them all!

          • benr June 9, 2019 at 11:15 am #

            “Thanks for being honest about your knee-jerk prejudices. I expect they punched their own noses and spread the blood down their own clothes.”

            Regarding the Jussie reference can you say there are zero political false flags?
            I doubt you even understand just how much we are being lied to about all sorts of things. The lie moves the ball forward for insert pressure group here. At the moment it’s the gay mafia which is supplanting the Black lives movement.
            Its really difficult to remember all the fake hate crimes but over the years there have been some pretty famous ones.






            So yea there it is.

            “How sweet of you. Jeez… Maybe I should pass on your concern to them – I’m sure they’d really welcome it from someone like you.”

            Someone like you oh yes there it is please attempt to be real and actually say what you mean. No seriously it’s ok we all know it’s in there let it out.

            To your point of you have posted this that and the other thing do you really think we have all read every one of your posts?
            Yea that’s it we all hang on every one of your posts. /rolls eyes

            With that in mind most people swing right on by posts that are longer than a paragraph of so in fact this one is to long.

          • GreenAlba June 9, 2019 at 12:15 pm #


            “Someone like you oh yes there it is please attempt to be real and actually say what you mean. No seriously it’s ok we all know it’s in there let it out.”

            Is that supposed to be coherent sentences or some kind of stream of consciousness technique?

            “To your point of you have posted this that and the other thing do you really think we have all read every one of your posts?”

            I don’t expect you to read all my posts. I wish you’d ignore them all. But since you haven’t read them all, then maybe you could be a bit circumspect in your presumptions.

            No? Didn’t think so.

            “With that in mind most people swing right on by posts that are longer than a paragraph of so in fact this one is to long.

            Good. That will discourage you from reading them, I hope.

            And regarding your first point, the accused in the matter of the homophobic attack on the bus have already been apprehended. If we find out they were paid by the two women to do that on a public bus, I’ll be the first to let you know.

            And you’ll have to choose. Did they pick white boys to pretend/not pretend to assault them to further their liberal/progressive agenda about the nasty white right or did they pick black boys to further the agenda of the er…conservatives who don’t like them?

            See how confusing it gets?

            You’re a very angry, pissed off person, benr. I’m sorry your life makes you so angry.

          • benr June 9, 2019 at 3:43 pm #

            Angry actually no cynical YES.
            You seem sheltered from the realities that are affecting people here in the United states.
            You did make a reference to it but you don’t understand just how bad the division is getting and has been for years.

            In the next twenty years it will come to roost in your little world where ever that might actually be and then we can have an honest discussion.

          • GreenAlba June 9, 2019 at 5:29 pm #


            “You seem sheltered from the realities that are affecting people here in the United states.”

            I may be sheltered from them but I’m perfectly aware of them. But I linked to an incident that happened in the UK, so what’s going on in your country is irrelevant to it, except that it was driven by homophobia which exists in both countries.

            The idea that a young woman who’s a doctor in her own country, although not working as one here, is going to come to this country and jeopardise her situation here by getting five – FIVE! – teenagers to punch her face and that of her girlfriend for…for what exactly – to get in the papers? – is stretching credulity beyond anything reasonable. I’ve yet to meet a woman who’d voluntarily get punched in the face for any reason, but maybe I’m weird. You need to think before you jump in and attack.

            Not having a go here at all, benr, despite your repeated ad hominems and ridiculous presumptions about what I think, but the impression I get from your country is always one of extremes and excess. Even as a child (I had an aunt in Flushing, NY), everything was bigger in the US. And so, it seems are the prejudices – on both sides. If you have stronger opinions – and prejudices – the reactions to them are going to be stronger too. And so it goes.

            So if you have an excessively conservative religious population it’s going to be excessively hostile to people who don’t fall in with its imperatives. And those people are going to be excessively hostile to the people who abhor their lifestyle, even if it’s not unreasonable to most people elsewhere, and some of them are going to stretch boundaries even further just to prove that they can.

            If everyone on both sides would chill a bit things could settle down, but there’s not a snowball’s chance in hell of that happening.

            Look at the way you insist on mixing everything up in an amalgam of Bad Things Liberals Believe (I’m not even a liberal, in the American sense). So you take something it’s reasonable to be concerned about, e.g. 6-your olds being primed to think about their sexuality long before they need to – but then you add on other things that are nothing to do with liberalism, like climate change, which couldn’t give a flying f**k what your political views are – it’s going to damage your life anyway.

            Maybe try to look at yourself instead of endlessly flinging mud my way. I’m in the minority on here so it’s not as if I can ever ‘win’. You have no need to feel threatened by one person’s views. You could try thinking about them instead.

            Just as a suggestion, take one thing – climate change – and read up about it properly, from reputable scientific sources. Leave the politics aside and just learn about the actual science with an open mind. Then you’ll have made some progress. You’ll have learned that something can be true even if the people you see as your political opponents think it’s true.

            I don’t mean to be patronising. I’ve learned things about people’s views on here and their lives that make me think differently too, but I’m not going to fall for cynicism that’s unthinking and totally lacking any discernment. Once I do that ‘they’ve’ won. It doesn’t matter which ‘they’ it is who’s won, but it wouldn’t be me.

        • SoftStarLight June 9, 2019 at 1:53 am #

          Alba with all due respect why do you pretend not to see? You want verifiable figures regarding this major cultural change so I have to do your research for you? Sort of a surprise since you are always armed with links, sources, factoids, figures, graphs, bar charts, etc. to thwart my every thought and idea. So please read this little bit about the massive increase in children adopting a different gender identity and the harm associated with it. There is much more out there if you are interested in knowing.



          Yes there is serious danger that children could be and are being manipulated into believing that a transgendered identity is perfectly normal and healthy to adopt when the fact is that most who experience confusion about their gender identity grow past it after going through puberty. And now kids are taking puberty blockers, hormones, and getting surgeries even before puberty ends. So. Is this really something you don’t know about?

          • GreenAlba June 9, 2019 at 7:18 am #

            We had this conversation before. You know perfectly well that I’m not into ‘kids taking puberty blockers…and getting surgeries every before puberty ends’.

            The thing is, SSL, this has nothing squared and cubed to do with a homophobic attack on two young women on a bus.

          • malthuss June 9, 2019 at 10:56 am #


          • GreenAlba June 9, 2019 at 12:03 pm #

            Obviously, malthuss, what quicker and cheaper way could there possibly be to do it?


          • SoftStarLight June 9, 2019 at 3:47 pm #

            Alba you changed the original topic of conversation to which I was responding. The original conversation regarded children being coerced into adopting non-heterosexual identities at inappropriate ages. I understand you are not an advocate for children being prescribed puberty blockers and hormones. But you specifically told Janos to produce evidence of his assertion that there has been a huge increase in the number of children adopting these “alternative” sexual identities. I looked into it and provided you some relevant info and you have zero response? And then you expect me to respond to a story that was not part of that discussion? Good distraction. Neat how you did that.

          • GreenAlba June 9, 2019 at 9:12 pm #

            “But you specifically told Janos to produce evidence of his assertion that there has been a huge increase in the number of children adopting these “alternative” sexual identities.”

            Er no, SSL, Janos didn’t say there had been huge increase. He said “we do know that the numbers of tranny kids has exploded thousands of percents.

            Thousands of percents, SSL. Are you prepared to back that up? If not, don’t talk to me about changing the subject.

          • SoftStarLight June 9, 2019 at 9:29 pm #

            So you didn’t read the articles I posted. And you said I had a reading comprehension problem. You could have at least given my post full consideration. In it you will find that in at least one instance it is true. So you will have to acknowledge that you did change the subject.

          • Mountain gal June 9, 2019 at 11:18 pm #

            I think that we’ve gone overboard in terms of going from hating on gays or trans to promoting this as a lifestyle “choice” that’s positive. I’m all for allowing people to be who they are. I don’t want to see discrimination against gays but it’s also not something I want to see promoted.

            As for trans people, I suspect most if not all are mentally ill. Sadly, they find that “changing” their sex doesn’t result in increased happiness and many kill themselves. That it’s now being promoted as normal, desirable or cool is a big problem to me. I think we should have compassion for those that believe they were born the wrong sex but it’s not something to promote.

            My home state is a bastion of knee-jerk liberalism with people falling over themselves to promote trans identities. Teachers are being punished for not using the “correct” pronouns to children in elementary school who have decided they are a different sex or neither sex or who knows what. These are little kids. This is insane. Saying so here leads to condemnation.

            So glad I was a kid back when it was not considered a big deal for a girl to collect baseball cards, play sports, play with model trains and also play with dolls and have a pink bedroom with frilly curtains. I imagine a kid like that now would be counseled to become non-binary or some such thing instead of just being allowed to be a normal girl who liked to play sports.

          • GreenAlba June 10, 2019 at 6:34 am #


            My apologies for skipping over your articles. I have in fact seen the Daily Mail one before. The percentages seemed implausible, but now that I see the extremely low baseline I see that it wouldn’t take much to reach them.

            And the reason I skipped over your articles was my impatience at the thread being hi-jacked – yet again – by Janos’ whataboutery.

            Every time there’s a mention of naturally occurring homosexuality this happens. It is most often Janos who derails the discussion, with you most likely following.

            His ‘whataboutist’ post on June 8, 2019 at 8:29 pm is an absolutely typical example.

            It is the obvious ploy for all those whose world view just can’t cope with the idea of naturally occurring unblameworthy homosexuality, so they inevitable derail the thread into discussions of ‘promotion’ of this or that (which I do not support – I support ‘support’ for those who need it) which better suits the needs of their agenda.

            We don’t know how many people suffered from gender dysphoria in earlier times because only a fool wanting to be persecuted would have dared openly say that they did.

            And medical interventions were obviously not available. We also don’t know how much is socially ‘encouraged’ (although we know some is) and how many people are tipped into the condition physiologically. Since the advent of ubiquitous plastics, our environment and our water supply are full of hormone-mimicking chemicals. It is a brave person who would state unequivocally, without further evidence, that we have not brought at least some of this on ourselves.

            So, while I agree with a lot of Mountain Gal’s post, I still have reservations for that reason and others about a blanket dismissal of the experience of people who don’t identify with their gender.

            But nobody sane would argue that it is ‘natural’ to have body parts added on or taken off to make you something else.

        • toktomi June 9, 2019 at 3:25 am #

          @ Janos S

          “I fear…”

          As a card carrying heterosexual old fart, I’ve been gawking around nearly my entire life, trying to clean up my world view with newer and better evidence all of the time and I’ve yet to come to any conclusion as to why anyone would give a flying shit about the sexual preferences of anyone other than themselves and their partners.

          option a or option b
          piss in a hole or piss up a tree
          who cares?
          as soon as you get your own shit together
          you can begin to worry about everyone else’s

          • Janos Skorenzy June 9, 2019 at 11:14 am #

            Because they care and you are just cis scum to them. The only way to justify your existence is to serve them. Sound familiar? The minorities have the same viewpoint. And of course the Tribe set the pattern to begin with – the way to forward unto our destruction.

            Study the life of Harry Hay. He was at the trail head of much of this. They don’t believe in marriage. They want to marry in order to destroy it. And they don’t believe in heterosexuality either. Thus on some campuses, the kids are asked, “How do you know you’re straight?”. Strangely, the Gays aren’t asked the same question. Everyone is still pretending that they are oppressed, right? They’ve already been put above us. Open your eyes.

          • benr June 9, 2019 at 11:33 am #


            You say that and I agree to some degree and then there is the case study of one Harvey Milk.
            They say he was killed for being gay what they don’t tell you is he also had a thing for young teen age boys.

            What two adults do in privacy is none of our business but what they do in public is, that is until it starts costing we the tax payer money.

            Here is one for you.

            We have a set of friends who’s son recently came out.
            It was no surprise to me I kind of knew he was queer from his behavior at the start of High school but his parents had no idea.

            Months before coming out he was drugged at a gay bar and ran into a light pole with just enough alcohol in his system to get a dui. Playing to the narrative that he was straight still he said it was a regular bar. The story he told made no sense and I figured he was at gay bar because he said he was alone.
            Since coming out he has had to have two different surgeries for massive anal fissures at tax payer expense. At that point it really is everyone’s business. His mom won’t even talk about it and his dad is having real issues with his coming out. They fear for his health mental and physical.

          • GreenAlba June 9, 2019 at 12:40 pm #


            An anecdote = an anecdote, so here’s another.

            Years ago when my husband was doing a locum job up north he got a phone call from the mother – THE MOTHER – of a man who’d torn his foreskin having er…energetic sex with his girlfriend. The mother insisted my husband give him a house visit. My husband said he should just clean it and leave it alone as it would heal up by itself.

            But she insisted. So he had to drive tens of miles, along a loch or two in semi-rural Scotland to give this numpty a house visit. All at the taxpayer’s expense. And he examined him and repeated what he told the mother.

            Digressing slightly, do you know how obsessed heterosexual men are with anal sex these day? No? Look into it. I’m just talking about normal people in relationships. But you could look into what happens to porn ‘stars’ too, because they get anal fissures as well from doing that stuff for the benefit of entirely heterosexual men. And the men that do it are damned well endowed or they wouldn’t be in the job. And they go for it hell for leather because the punters like to see the ‘girls’ getting it good and hard while they pretend to enjoy it. And here at least, they get fixed up courtesy of the taxpayer. The porn, on the other hand, is, more often than not, free at the point of use (as it were…).

            You’ll be pleased to know that my nephew, my husband’s gay niece, and my small number of gay friends and colleagues are entirely mentally stable. Oh, no, you won’t, will you? Doesn’t suit the narrative.

          • GreenAlba June 9, 2019 at 1:01 pm #


            “Because they care and you are just cis scum to them. The only way to justify your existence is to serve them. Sound familiar?

            No, not in the least. Stop hyperventilating.

            There are a number of attention-seeking idiots on campuses and elsewhere and then there are normal everyday gay people who have nothing to do with them.

            And none of them can ‘destroy marriage’. If only 4.5% of people identify as LGBT and only a fraction of them get married, you’re talking about a tiny number of people. Just ignore them. I know two gay men who are married – they haven’t destroyed anything.

            Neither of them protested for the right to marry but they took the opportunity when it appeared. Fair enough. It certainly wouldn’t have bothered me if we hadn’t moved beyond civil partnerships, not that it’s any of my business anyway, but I can’t see what harm it’s done. My daughters are never done going to other people’s weddings where men are marrying women in the normal way – no-one seems to feel anything has changed for them, but then they don’t have your agenda.

            We even had a couple of heterosexual dipsticks here who took a case to court to demand the right to not get married but to have a civil partnership like gay people can – they said they were being discriminated against because they couldn’t have the same rights as gay people had, even though they could have had a civil wedding, as I did.

            Heaven preserve us from attention-seeking nitwits. Of any persuasion.

      • EvelynV June 9, 2019 at 1:31 pm #

        SSL – why not get off your blubbery ass and go waddle in that parade your own self?

        Then again I could see you might have good reason to keep a low profile…might lead some to rethink the downside of being straight…not that there is anything wrong with that.

  50. tucsonspur June 8, 2019 at 4:09 am #

    Cannibalism is not health care. What a slap on Miley. He has the little freak uncarved and uncooked. Surely Miley would want him/her well seasoned and in smaller portions. Gross!

    Some fetus fettuccini? Later, perhaps some fetus flambe?

    • Janos Skorenzy June 9, 2019 at 11:16 am #

      Yes, this kind of thing burns them. They believe that all the cool people (the artists!) are on their side. And they know the power of images. And on street corners! Nice to know some people with clout are still willing to fight.

  51. stelmosfire June 8, 2019 at 7:36 am #

    Well the weather is looking good. Weed is in as are the taters, tomatoes, peppers, beans, etc.. Here in the birthplace of liberty(MA) 1776, Lexington,and Concord and all that stuff. Grass is legal. Twelve plants per household. 10 footers. More bud than I could or would smoke in a lifetime. Coming soon to a state near you. The Kush is good.

    • stelmosfire June 8, 2019 at 8:33 am #

      I’m with BTB, legalize all drugs. Booze is the worst , with tobacco no. 2. Cancer, beatings, shootings, OD’s, you name it. There is too much money involved. I can get dope on the corner.I have seen the worst that opioids can do. Son,friends, relatives, etc.Make it legal and cut out the middle man.

      • BackRowHeckler June 8, 2019 at 8:51 am #

        Rip, on what corner?

        In Granville?


        • stelmosfire June 8, 2019 at 9:30 am #

          BRH I’m in the Pioneer Valley. Not Granville. I believe O3 is in the hardscrabble hills west of here. The wife is from New Britain, later moved to Tolland, MA. Born and bred Italian 100%. A real firecracker.

          • stelmosfire June 8, 2019 at 10:04 am #

            I’m Married 37 years now, My fathers family had 19 kids, French canucks.,Pepe could not keep it in his pants.

          • ozone June 8, 2019 at 10:44 am #

            Granville elevation is listed as 1322 ft., while we tend to scrabble around at 1509 ft.
            I call it, “The Land of Ice and Fog”. Quite appropriately. I’ll have to amend that somewhat one of these dark days to include the now-ubiquitous, sunless spring deluge. (It does provide for a shocking lushness, but the fecundity also applies to the proliferation of various molds/fungi and those beloved ticks!)

            Good Times!

          • ozone June 8, 2019 at 11:03 am #

            Oops, forgot to add that your area appears to be at around 240 ft. (A.S.L.).
            …And I’m not sure we have any “corners” a’tall ’round h’yar!

          • BackRowHeckler June 8, 2019 at 11:44 am #

            Just trying to make a little joke, Rip. I was gonna say Southwick but I couldn’t think of it.

            Seems like New Britain provides wives for half of New England, all those beautiful ethnic Irish, Polish, Russian, Basque, Ukranian, Italian etc girls available …


    • Janos Skorenzy June 8, 2019 at 12:30 pm #

      Ten footers? Damn. Watch “Day of the Triffids” and see if you don’t start respecting them more.

      • stelmosfire June 9, 2019 at 7:24 am #

        You gotta love a town that celebrates the Black Fly season.!

  52. budizwiser June 8, 2019 at 10:40 am #

    Going where? Well, answering the questions about our future depends a lot on knowing where we are now.

    And again – we must no be going anywhere anytime soon. At least not if you inventory all the current developed nation’s Dincreationary Energy Consumption.

    In as much as we missed predicting and realizing the effects of Peak Oil – we currently can’t imagine the vast waste of energy taking place right now.

    When you are experiencing Peak Prosperity – and peak consumption – it seems a bit “outhere” to mention living simply in a world made by hand.

    What I want to know is – what year will the first twenty percent drop in world air travel be eexperienced?

    In what year will martial law be declared to counter rioting of an electric-grid failure of a major urban metro area?

    In what year will a professional sports authority realign its competition schedule to decrease travel and night time energy consumption?

    In what year will gross agricultural output decrease due to both natural and economic calamity?

    So far, we can’t see an horizon – let alone the reults of peak energy – and peak Discreationary Energy Consumption.

    • BackRowHeckler June 8, 2019 at 4:41 pm #

      How about college sports, Bud?

      Our east coast State U football and basketball teams fly all over the US, including Hawaii and Alaska. Nobody seems worried about what it costs, or how much energy it takes to get them there.


      • BackRowHeckler June 8, 2019 at 4:51 pm #

        At one time there was the ‘Yankee Conference’, athletic teams took the bus to play UMass, Maine, New Hampshire etc.

        That all seems so quaint,

        Now its Big Time all the way.


  53. Lonely Traveler June 8, 2019 at 10:47 am #

    We’re gonna need those legal drugs to get us through what’s coming. Capitalism’s big flaw is that it’s an economic model of infinite growth. So it’s going to be a race between planetary destruction and capitalism. As soon as the planet is depleted capitalism will die. It’s already in its early stages, soon to get much worse.

    Socialism is said to be better than capitalism at distributing wealth, but when there is no more wealth it too will die.

    I wish we humans were better at switching gears, but we will continue to do what we always do until it ends.

    America won’t be the first nation to collapse, but it won’t be the last. Most of Europe, China and the Middle East will outlast us. I’m not sure about Russia but they already collapsed in the last century. They’re rebuilding now and having some success.

    Read The Mandibles by Lionel Shriver for a pretty good depiction of what’s going to happen.

    • JohnAZ June 8, 2019 at 11:17 am #

      Good analysis!

      One comment

      Capitalism grows wealth in a society as long as growth of the capital base is possible.

      Socialism does not create wealth and requires more capital growth to afford the government programs. The socialism that the Feds have allowed has absorbed 22 trillion dollars of debt as a phony representation of capital. Our debt is phantom capital as it will never be repaid.

      I think the whole global group is going down together. If you withdraw the US from the global consumer pool, an effect of the tariffs, the rest of the world will contract significantly.

      Which is why the globalists are trying desperately to blow up Trump’s group. There are actually countries now that have no ability to produce steel, we were close to that, until the steel tariffs took off. Now we are growing steel manufacturing again.

      Globalism started after WW2 to try to avoid another world war. Open global markets are a admirable goal, as long as there are no countries trying to destroy other countries. Unfortunately, that is not the case.

      The Long Emergency is going to happen due to resources running out of supply, oil being the primary one. AOC Green New Deal presents a planned contraction of the time period to artificially create a supply impact. Her main problem is that our entire society is based on petroleum, in one form or another and the accelerated pace is going to literally kill people and destroy millions of lives as they try to adapt but cannot. AOC’s ideas are dead on arrival. Her intent however is what should be going on at the Fed level right now in preparation for the oncoming changes coming this century.

      I am glad I am not a millennial or a gen z; they are the ones that are going to pay for the group of idiots that populate the halls of government in DC. Hopefully, their emerging place in the electorate will allow them to put folks into DC that can get the job done. Hint: there are very few there now, and the standard politician present now is not the right choice.

    • BackRowHeckler June 8, 2019 at 11:32 am #

      Capitalism at its core is private property rights; any flaw in it is a flaw in human nature.

      Examine the environmental record of Communist and Socialist Countries, starting with poison, no go cities in NKorea, China and the Soviet Union, move on to unbreathable air in Beijing, then return to Russia and take a look at the tens of thousands of tons of nuclear waste that was dumped into the arctic ocean in the 50s, 60s and 70s.

      Finish out by scrutinizing contemporary socialist Venezuela, the filth, the squalor, the environmental degredation.


      • Janos Skorenzy June 8, 2019 at 12:34 pm #

        Yes, and human nature requires lots of regulation. Is that the same as erradication? Your lower natures are working overtime to avoid the obvious realities.

        Has the Church ever taught anything different? Or any other religion? No. Chinese sages, Protestant Divines, Hindu yogis, and Catholic Theologians are all in agreement.

      • Lonely Traveler June 8, 2019 at 12:46 pm #

        I don’t want to belabor this, so I hesitate to say anything else. Capitalism is not human nature. Humans have been on the planet for 500,000 years, but capitalism has only been around about 400 years. America was founded as a laboratory for capitalism, and America will die when capitalism ends, at least the version we know now.

        Somehow we miss that the American imperialists have been crushing freely elected democracies and non-capitalists since the War of 1812. There’s no reason to believe that will end until America collapses. Look at what we did to the native peoples of this continent. Many people across the world will breathe a sigh of relief when America finally collapses. Lionel Shriver believes that will happen around 2029. I think I agree.


        • Janos Skorenzy June 8, 2019 at 12:52 pm #

          Good point, but competition is part of life – group competition in the case of humanity. You owe everything you have and are to the Conquest of this Continent. So you can’t spit on them without logically divesting yourself of all your possessions.

          Praise the Conquerors like you should. We Whites are the Native Americans. The Indians were just living here.

          Did we become too warlike though, interfering overseas in defiance of the mandate of the Founders? Yes, we did.

        • elysianfield June 9, 2019 at 11:30 am #

          “Capitalism is not human nature”

          Well, then, what motivates humans to labor? Personal gain or the betterment of your neighbors?

          We are not to discuss the obvious failings of capitalism in it’s end-game, but rather the intrinsic motivation to better one’s circumstance.

          • Lonely Traveler June 9, 2019 at 1:39 pm #

            Another failing we humans have is the inability to think multi-dimensionally. Nothing in life is either/or. There are successful capitalists in Cuba, China, Scandinavia and even Venezuela. In fact, that hybrid seems to work best for ensuring human welfare. For example, all of these nations have healthcare systems with better outcomes than the USA. Plus, care is distributed so everyone gets care, which means the populations as a whole remains healthier. If the USA were to wise up and adopt national healthcare, which it won’t, there would there would be a huge fortune spent in the first years to bring the suffering back to health.

            I don’t know why the world is obsessed with preserving a dying institution like capitalism, except that a small bunch of billionaires feel they have to be protected.. We should be worried about what’s next. I don’t think it’s going to be pretty. No more Barcaloungers and Doritos for the masses, but TV will be there to keep us placated.

  54. malthuss June 8, 2019 at 11:06 am #



    Trudeau ups Canada’s global abortion spending to $700 million a year

    june 5, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – When it comes to abortion, Justin Trudeau is putting your money where his mouth is. A week after he sanctimoniously reprimanded Vice President Mike Pence for America’s “backsliding” into increasing state protections for preborn children in the womb, he is now attempting to fire up his base by announcing that another $300 million of Canadian taxpayers’ dollars will be used to fund abortion overseas. He had already committed $400 million annually to a global abortion fund in response to the Trump administration’s reinstatement of the Mexico City Policy (which bans the government funding of overseas abortions), but that has now upped that figure to $700 million.

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    • JohnAZ June 8, 2019 at 11:31 am #

      This about this,

      What are these abortion promoters up to?

      Why are TPTB promoting abortion?

      Abortion, most of the time, is a reaction to a mistake, the big oops.

      It is the woman’s decision what to do. It has been shown that significant spiritual damage is done when the choice is done for convenience only, which is unfortunately the majority of the time.

      My guess is that abortion is an industry now that has its tentacles into our governments with lobbyists. Politics have since destroyed both sides of the argument.

      How much of the Liberal promotion of abortion is a way to decrease and control the population? How much is social shaping, trying to control the population growth of certain ethnic groups? Both are disgusting.

      Think of the new DNA created with the fusion of two germ cells. Nurtured, that combination becomes an organism, the antithesis to entropy. And a miracle that we still do not understand at all. Putting on my spiritual hat, we may be playing with fire messing with creation.

      • GreenAlba June 8, 2019 at 12:29 pm #

        “My guess is that abortion is an industry now that has its tentacles into our governments with lobbyists. ”

        Another negative of privatised healthcare.

  55. FincaInTheMountains June 8, 2019 at 11:26 am #

    Trump is preparing to recognize the Crimea as Russian territory

    His daughter Ivanka showed him these photos, which President Zelensky sent to her as a rationale for transferring new armored boats to Ukraine, as Russia is preparing to use a terrible force against Ukraine:


    And Trump realized that this time he had to listen to his daughter, and not like the last time, when he used her to cover the loss of control over the State Department.

    Meanwhile, Theresa May officially resigned as Prime Minister and has already received an offer to work as a dancer at the Crazy Horse Euroclub.

    She is offered the place of a soloist in the anti-war show “Uglier than a Nuclear War”, but in Britain no one pays any attention to this, since good old England is shocked by the news that the cat “Crimean Bridge” is the blood brother of the escaped Skripal’s cat Masyanya!

  56. FincaInTheMountains June 8, 2019 at 11:46 am #

    A VERY EXPENSIVE way to jerk off:

    Sex robots are coming, with a host of concerns


    • Janos Skorenzy June 8, 2019 at 12:40 pm #

      More Evil out of Asia. First Communism, now this. Why don’t you devils leave us alone?

      • FincaInTheMountains June 8, 2019 at 12:43 pm #

        Payback for the Opium Wars.

        Now’s your turn!

        • Janos Skorenzy June 8, 2019 at 12:53 pm #

          Russia took a lot of Chinese land and they want it back. Putin doesn’t seem willing to stop Chinese incursion into formerly Chinese lands.

          • FincaInTheMountains June 8, 2019 at 1:02 pm #

            You drunk or something? That early in the morning??!

  57. Janos Skorenzy June 8, 2019 at 12:36 pm #


    Call themselves the Ongar Niggas. How could Ireland have been this stupid? Too much contact with the English is my guess. Political Correctness is a virus and they’ve contracted it.

    • tucsonspur June 8, 2019 at 6:22 pm #

      Too bad that the likes of Jimmy Coonan and Mickey Featherstone and the original Westies from NYC’s Hell’s Kitchen couldn’t get over there, TCOB.

      From Ongar, now invading Ireland? WTF? This Lithuanian loves Ireland, and this is beyond deplorable. Oh yeah, let me see the Violence here. The White Heat on Black or Brown.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 8, 2019 at 9:06 pm #

        And the toughest Irish Gang was the Dead Rabbits.

        • malthuss June 9, 2019 at 10:59 am #

          How could Ireland have been this stupid?

          A bagel is head or was head of immigration, thats my understanding.

          Also, like USA, they have citizenship by birth.
          Only 2 nations are dumb enough to have this, of 200+–or is it 150 nations?

          • BackRowHeckler June 9, 2019 at 11:44 am #

            Well, the Irish PM is half Indian (not Apache) and gay.

            He has stated that Ireland is too white, which needs to be rectified.

            Malth, does that explain anything?


          • GreenAlba June 9, 2019 at 2:06 pm #


            Any chance you could let me have a link for that? I’ve put ‘Leo Varadkar says Ireland is too white’ into two search engines and I’m coming up with nothing. Not even the usual suspects like Amren. It would just be interesting to see the full context of his remarks.


            This is funny though, isn’t it?


            It came up from one of the searches.

            Fury after Taoiseach Leo Varadkar admits intervening in Clare planning row for ‘best friend’ Donald Trump.

            “The Taoiseach told a lunch on Capitol Hill that Trump rang him over three years ago, annoyed about plans for a wind farm near his prized Doonbeg golf resort in Clare.

            “He said: “I rang the county council and enquired about the planning permission and subsequently [it] was refused. The President gave me credit for that.”

            “Labour leader Brendan Howlin said last night: “The reports from Washington that he has made political representations on behalf of the business interests of President Trump are extraordinary.”

            “Green Party leader, Eamon Ryan, said it displayed a “shocking error of judgement.”

            Wow. Seems Trump can get heads of sovereign states to do stuff even when they’re not looking for a trade deal from him.

  58. Janos Skorenzy June 8, 2019 at 1:51 pm #

    Does the Umpire end or erradicate the baseball game he umpires or does he in fact help to proceed smoothly?

    Thus so oversight and Capitalism. It’s that simple. Shame on you Ex Lax, John Az, BRH, etc. Your ears should be burning. Remember your catechisms or Sunday School or Wednesday night classes? Something about man’s fallen nature? And in contrast, his higher nature, made in the image and likeness of Christ? Alas it is man’s nature to forget….

  59. Janos Skorenzy June 8, 2019 at 2:08 pm #

    In other words, I serve Asgard.

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    • SoftStarLight June 9, 2019 at 3:51 am #

      The Truth is within us though most choose to remain in Outer Darkness. Because truth often threatens the carefully constructed realities we have created many are eager to escape it. And oftentimes those who embrace it do so in a reluctant and lukewarm way. The Truth is that our politics are an extension of our values and morality and thus spring from the heart. And thus the regulation of society altogether is a matter of the heart. And it works both ways for the servants and the masters. This is why all must work diligently to keep their hearts pure. Not a very easy task. But life isn’t easy. And thus an Umpire with a pure heart does in fact allow the game to proceed smoothly with clear judgement. And every game needs an Umpire. Left to our own devices without this redemption the game is simply a war of all against all.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 9, 2019 at 11:45 am #

        Concise. And Conciseness or Concision (both versions seem legit) is a mark of true understanding.

        To the extent the People fail in this, to that extent the Law must step in to punish, regulate, or take up the slack by offering services. Some things are best done by the State. Knowing which and when is the finer points of the Art. But Americans can’t even seem to get the basics down so what’s the point of even going there yet.