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Here in the Battenkill Valley in far upstate New York, the bones of the small towns are still visible while the flesh of the economy that built the towns is now long gone. The Battenkill River runs from the other side of the Vermont line across Washington County to the Hudson River. It’s a swift, clear stream, and back-in-the-day it powered dozens of little factories along its winding way. They made men’s shirts, women’s lingerie, tea trays, ploughs, rye thrashers, boots, paper, and lots more. In a few places you can still find the ruins of these once-grand buildings.

Ruins of the Baxter Marble Mill, later the Bartlett All-Steel Scythe Company

We heard there was a good parade up in Salem, NY, ten miles northeast of here. Salem was a railroad town after 1852. It changed everything for a while. Farmers could send their potatoes and milk all the way to Boston. Slate was abundant nearby and there was a lively commerce in it for roofing and other things. Marble came over from Vermont and was dressed into tombstone blanks, which were sent as far as the Midwest. The railroad itself employed scores of hands in the roundhouse where its locomotives were repaired. This rail connection to distant places and markets must have seemed wondrous.

Waiting for the parade to start in Salem, NY

The system held together for less than 100 years and now it, too, is a ghost presence, along with the factories. History has treated this corner of the country with something that feels like swift injustice. Today, we remain hostages to the automobile, with its geography-negating banality, but you can see the end of that road from here, too, and it is already subject to a very public nostalgia. The Fourth of July parade up in Salem was mostly a parade of motor vehicles: fire engines, EMT trucks, tractors, vintage 1920s flivvers, 1960s muscle cars, one classic hot-rod, and one weird Avanti, a mid-60s product of the then-floundering Studebaker Company — which, ironically, had run a wagon and carriage assembly factory in Salem around 1910, just as cars were being introduced.

These days, even the American Eagle is relegated to sitting in a motor vehicle

The economic history of this place looks like a sequence of great works performed at enormous capital investment, and then quickly trashed for the next new thing. It must have been intoxicating at the time. I’d put the high-tide of it all at about 1900, when all the systems of manufacturing and transport were humming in synchrony. Turns out it was an economy with a surprising purpose: to get rid of itself!  And it’s stunning how gone it all is now. What replaced it is not only happening far, far away, but many items made far, far away can’t even be bought within a twenty-mile journey of any town in the county.

I pass through Salem about six or seven times a year for one reason or another. The rather grand old Main Street is usually empty of pedestrians. Only a few of the remaining shopfronts sell useful merchandise so there is no reason to walk down the street. There are several impressive old buildings — skeletons of that ghost economy — clearly falling into terminal disrepair. Yet, on the Fourth of July, the streets were full of life, for a change. Many (like us) had come from far-and-wide. We turned out to show love and respect (and curiosity) for whatever it is this enterprise called the USA is supposed to be now. Mostly, our national situation seems a matter of waiting for various shoes to drop.

The Central House, formerly a hotel, now an evangelical social center

There’s one big advantage to living in this flyover corner of America: it has received next-to-zero of the destructive suburban development overlay that has obliterated the landscape in those parts of the country that can pretend to still be booming. It is a blessing that I’m keenly aware of. We’re just too far away from the cities, and even from the Interstate Highway network. So, when I behold the economic desolation in these little towns of the Battenkill Valley, I’m aware that, at least, we will not have to dig out from under the burden of the Big Box hell imposed on just about every other place from sea to shining sea, when that economy turns over — a process actually underway now. The K-Mart in my town, Greenwich, NY, shut down in March. When enough of those predatory outfits are gone, someone may get a notion to sell stuff out of our empty main streets shops again. Of course, nobody’s thinking about making stuff that might be sold in those storefronts, but a sense of opportunity may arise quickly as the wind-down of Globalism — and all it implies for local places — becomes self-evident.

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  1. Pucker July 5, 2019 at 9:59 am #

    Today (July 5th) is the anniversary of the start of the Wehrmacht’s Operation Zitadelle ( Kursk) (1943) which marked the reversal of the tide on the Eastern Front as the Wehrmacht (like Liberalism today) becomes a “Spent Force”.

    • malthuss July 5, 2019 at 10:07 am #

      Not sure what that signifies. but thanks, Puck.

      • Pucker July 5, 2019 at 6:28 pm #

        Like the Wehrmacht running into “A Rock” ( Iraq) at Kursk, Liberalism/ Globalism has run its course. Getting smaller (Small Towns) and more viable traditional ways of life have a future whereas long global supply chains, feminism, Transgenderism, large central government to enforce rights to engage in dysfunctional behavior do not have a future, or, at least, future that is not dystopia.

        • Pucker July 5, 2019 at 6:50 pm #

          I wonder what the name “Kursk” means in Russian? It seems to portend great loss-of-life and tragedy, like the meat-grinder Battle of Kursk in July 1943. And there was that horrible, tragic submarine accident involving a submarine named “Kursk”. Jesus…. The name “Kursk” probably means “Graveyard”?

          • Pat Ormsby July 7, 2019 at 12:34 am #

            “Kur” means “chickens” in Russian, and the -sk gets stuck on the ends of a lot of place names (you’d have to ask a native to explain it, though), such as Severo-Baikalsk up on the north end of Lake Baikal.
            One of those “chickens come home to roost” sorts of places.
            Or it may derive from “kurs” which means “course,” which is rather boring.

    • capt spaulding July 5, 2019 at 11:10 am #

      Think locally. Act globally.—Wehrmacht.

      • BornToKillPeace July 6, 2019 at 2:25 pm #

        “We thought we were doing the right thing…..”

      • Pat Ormsby July 7, 2019 at 12:36 am #

        That made my day! LOL

    • Neon Vincent July 5, 2019 at 11:36 am #

      I always thought that distinction belonged as much or more to the Battle of Stalingrad (now Volgograd) as it did to Kursk. It doesn’t help that Wikipedia lists 11 feature films and documentaries about Stalingrad, one of which, “Enemy at the Gates,” I recommend, while searches for movies about Kursk retrieve results about the sunken submarine named after the city, not the battle itself. Ah, the power of pop culture!

      Our host brought up the possibility of downtown retail reviving once enough malls and big box stores die out along with globalism. He may have to wait longer than he expects for the Retail Apocalypse to reach that stage, as the new owners of Toys R Us, or at least its name, are planning on bringing the chain back in greatly reduced form. The same is apparently true for RadioShack. The dead, they rise again!

      • K-Dog July 5, 2019 at 12:10 pm #

        ‘The dead, they rise again!

        The first thing that needs to be sold out of the empty storefronts then are wooden stakes and mallets.

      • BackRowHeckler July 5, 2019 at 12:57 pm #

        Actually Radio Shack wasn’t too bad, I hated to see them go. You couldn’t call it a big box store, maybe a small box store. It was full of interesting gadgets.

        Brh

        • Walter B July 5, 2019 at 2:13 pm #

          Yes indeed BRH and Tandy leather too! However we have to consider that these stores catered to a small group of people that made things, built things, and fixed things. In a society born and bred to simply consume everything in mass quantities, there is hardly a customer base for stores that supply to the creative types, is there? There WILL be retribution for this mistake however and it will arrive once the mass consumers no longer possess any system to dispose of the gazillion tons of waster they produce and are forced to eat it all.

          • BackRowHeckler July 5, 2019 at 3:46 pm #

            In the 90s we got this old B&W TV set when we cleaned out my grandmothers house. It was this big old piece of furniture with a small screen that ran on vacuum tubes. We f#kked around with it and determined some of the tubes were burnt out. We brought them to Radio Shack; they said come back in 2 days and sure enough there they were. We got the thing working, almost expected to see Milton Berle come up on the screen when we turned it on.

            Brh

        • Q. Shtik July 5, 2019 at 5:59 pm #

          Radio Shack ……….. It was full of interesting gadgets. – BRH

          ===============

          I used to get my hearing aid batteries there much cheaper than at Rite Aid. Now I get them at Costco much much cheaper than Radio Shack OR Rite Aid. Costco’s price is about 1/8th the price I would pay elsewhere.

      • mdhendler July 5, 2019 at 2:49 pm #

        Stalingrad really was the turning point. Kursk was a last desperate attempt by the Nazis to salvage the situation. The hope was for a miracle turnaround similar to Kolberg 1807 against Napoleon.

        Around the time of Kursk, Goebbels commissioned the epic film Kolberg to maintain morale. It was the most expensive film ever made. 5000 solders were diverted from the eastern front to appear as extras.

        • mdhendler July 5, 2019 at 3:08 pm #

          Actually, the Kolberg film was made in 1945 almost two years after Kursk. But, they were really, really desperate for miracles by then.

    • TraffickingInDivinity July 5, 2019 at 12:48 pm #

      I hope you’re right, Pucker, that Liberalism is a “Spent Force” but I’m not counting on it. Humans are so arational!

      • benr July 5, 2019 at 8:15 pm #

        Indeed look at some of our Socialist shilling liberals on here.
        No idea is to bad for them.

    • ZrCrypDiK July 5, 2019 at 8:25 pm #

      did U all hit your 1.5 gallon gasohol quota today? NO?!? rIIIght.

      • ZrCrypDiK July 5, 2019 at 8:39 pm #

        “We turned out to show love and respect (and curiosity) for whatever it is this enterprise called the USA is supposed to be now”

        Man that is soo depressing. Eisenhower *TOLD* us what this reality is, back in his ’61 exit speech (mil-ind-complex). Nobody seemed to listen (or *care* )

        • Dentshop July 7, 2019 at 11:44 pm #

          Quite a few people cared. They rubbed their hands together in anticipation of owning the United States and silencing its people.

  2. malthuss July 5, 2019 at 10:03 am #

    I just saw comments about refugees. A photo from Facebook, refugee resettlement watch.
    Pic of a fat woman cuddling her child. The child is not a baby. The gal is holding a bottle.
    Comments there–

    Portland, Maine welcomes the Congo!

    Here is what I want to know: how do supposedly starving Africans get the money to fly to Brazil then “make their way” thousands of miles to the US border?

    By the way, more tomorrow on how WordPress has shut down my blog Refugee Resettlement Watch

    because they disapprove of my content (after 12 years!).
    fraudscrookscriminals.com/…/how-the-congo-is-movin…

    A FOSTER MY CITY (GREENSBORO, NC) is some kind of “welcoming city.” we have tons of sudanese refugees. one family (cousins of my across the street neighbors) bought a house a couple of streets away. the went back to the sudan and are renting it out. plus surely still getting whatever welfare benefits they’ve been receiving.

    overweight people with cell phones are not refugees, they’re not coming to become americans, they’re coming from our generous welfare system.

    • malthuss July 5, 2019 at 10:05 am #

      they’re coming from our generous welfare system.–I will add that they are pawns. Of Obama and Soros, to disunite the United states.

    • DrTomSchmidt July 5, 2019 at 11:50 am #

      You run Refugee Resettlement Watch? Wow, I had no idea. I’m shocked it ran as long as it did. I hope you had it backed up.

      • Janos Skorenzy July 5, 2019 at 12:47 pm #

        So you’re in favor of the crushing of dissent? Scratch a Liberal find a Commie.

        • abbybwood July 5, 2019 at 1:44 pm #

          I always thought it was, “Scratch a liberal and you’ll find a fascist”?

        • DrTomSchmidt July 5, 2019 at 3:24 pm #

          I’m intrigued to learn how you came to the conclusion that I support the suppression of Refugee Resettlement Watch, Janos.

          I had thought it was run by a woman, and I don’t perceive malthuss as a woman writing here.

    • Luhrenloup July 5, 2019 at 2:08 pm #

      It’s really scary, Malthus, that they can shut your site down and you lose all the work you’ve put in. I’m sure you’ve saved the writing somewhere else, but if you’re not able to get it back up, you’re screwed.
      I also have a DIY site from Squarespace. Something similar could happen to me as I write about many things that run counter to prevailing thought. I used to have an independent site which I sorely regret having abandoned for what I was told would give me more freedom of design. These cookie cutter sites with their prepackaged setups negatively affect search engines’ ability to find and disseminate your work. I lost 80% of my audience from that switchover and have spent much time trying to rebuild my audience.
      As soon as is possible I plan to go back to having my own independent site.

  3. peasant43 July 5, 2019 at 10:10 am #

    To the end, I will remain a child of Europe, of worry and of shame. I have no message of hope to deliver. For the West, I do not feel hatred. At most I feel a great contempt. I know only that every single one of us reeks of selfishness, masochism and death. We have created a system in which it has simply become impossible to live, and what’s more, we continue to export it.

    Michel Houellebecq

    • malthuss July 5, 2019 at 10:17 am #

      screw him and his hatred.

      • SpeedyBB July 5, 2019 at 10:53 am #

        I would if I could figure out what he is saying. Typical French impenetrable prose.

        Poor Mr. Houellebecq is likely rolling in the big Euros, by the way. So what’s he complaining about.

        • K-Dog July 5, 2019 at 11:44 am #

          He is an author and is complaining because he thinks the sheeple dumb. He appears to be a classic devil on one shoulder an angel on the other kind of guy. His writing appear to explore the failings of men and their flawed natures. He is on the depressed side of the bridge.

          It is how it is with the depressed intellectual narcissistic types. They wind up reveling in seeing themselves better than anyone else. Houellebecq appears to need no ‘doom‘ to revel in the inadequacy of his fellow men. Normal human nature is enough for him. Mainstream darkness in the hearts of men is enough, he needs no spice.

          Apparently all Houellebecq would see in the Salem parade are potential people to fuck. He writes of sex and free markets. If Houellebecq saw the ghosts of things past in the shells of buildings perhaps he would imagine others do not see them.

          But I know nothing of him. I googled the name to see if Houellebecq contributes to the flow. If he does I do not know.

          I liked the article this morning. It left me with a ‘that is the way it is kind of feeling’.

          • Q. Shtik July 5, 2019 at 6:25 pm #

            But I know nothing of him. – K-Dog

            =============

            Houellebecq is a bright fellow. Read his book Submission.

          • K-Dog July 6, 2019 at 1:45 am #

            I just read about Submission. I think you are right. I’m thinking I already might know what it is about, the hook. Which is fine because it is really about how the change is made to happen if I am right. I’ll look for it. Thanks.

    • debt July 5, 2019 at 12:14 pm #

      youtube.com/watch?v=02-8boTzMyM

      Look for the silver lining
      When e’er a cloud appears in the blue.
      Remember somewhere the sun is shining,
      And so the right thing to do,
      Is make it shine for you.

      A heart, full of joy and gladness,
      Will always banish sadness and strife.
      So always look for the silver lining,
      And try to find the sunny side of life.

    • Rulo Deschamps July 6, 2019 at 6:47 pm #

      Michel Houellebecq’s writing deals in large part with the barren and soul-less world we’ve built and continue to build. The machines and algorithms are ready to take over our work, and we’re only too happy to let them do it, choosing to enjoy drugs, depraved lifestyles, endless entertainment and shopping while the work gets done. Migrants too, let them work cheap so us Europeans enjoy our legacy wealth without having to worry about caring for Grandma or picking the crop. That’s, I think, the world of this writer.
      Sexual delights and First World affluency are all us Westerners can aspire to, while a very savage enemy, Islam, and the hungry global masses in general seek to get strong in our midst and take over what’s left of the West, of the idea of the West.
      He is also a superb, strange science fiction writer. He conceives an Arab French comedian who joins a scientific, esoteric cult in its early stages, becomes a key supporter, and is rewarded with immortality as endless clonings of himself, of further and further Daniels, Daniel12, Daniel13, and so on… the fact of the matter is we’re starting to see a world where something like that becomes entirely possible.
      His observations and commentary about how the “carefree” and “progressive” 60’s and 70’s destroyed families, communities and individuals with its focus on rewarding and celebrating oneself above all else are spot on.
      He’s only written a few novels, 5 or 6. Submission is not the best and I’m waiting to get my paws on the new one, “Serotonin”. “Atomised” (the elemental particles, in French) and “the possibility of an island” may be his best, but “the map and the territory”, “platform” and everything else he’s written are well worth a read. Nobody wins the highest prizes of the French intelligentsia without great talent; less of all this guy, who spits in their face and questions the whole arrangement. He wins with the referee against him, so he must have something. And he does. He’s an original voice.
      An American can understand the grief of Native Europeans living in the world they created, the sorrow and hopelessness. Europe is spent, that’s his message.

  4. shotho July 5, 2019 at 10:10 am #

    This is a very mournful and poignant reminder of where we’ve been and where we might go. In so many respects, it seems we can’t go any lower in public affairs. Is the bottom in sight?
    I could be hopeful that we are at the bottom and about to turn the corner toward a national renewal, except for the fact that the citizenry, in general, is so degenerate and paganized. Where is the elan needed to renew, because any renewal requires sacrifice and suffering?

  5. newworld July 5, 2019 at 10:12 am #

    The American Empire is like alcohol, good at first, a taste develops for the fine top shelf stuff but as it gets a hold of you your life deteriorates and soon you are squeezing sterno under the ruins of past industrial glories.

    • BornToKillPeace July 6, 2019 at 2:49 pm #

      “Squeezing sterno under the ruin of past industrial glories”.

      “Well did you ever wake up with them bullfrogs on your mind, you’re going to wake up laughing, just to keep from crying.” – Canned Heat

  6. prepper of oz July 5, 2019 at 10:14 am #

    Before anything useful is manufactured in the US again, all the cheap stuff made overseas has to be thrown out. Why should I build/buy a new picture frame when I can go to a yard sale, get a dozen for 50 cents, repaint them and then flip em for a buck each?

    Of course most of us wouldn’t know a useful item/tool if it whacked us in the knee. Like say a plow, hatchet, hammer, nails, etc. Gotta love low tech.

    Candle making there’s something no one knows how to do anymore. We squandered our reserves of the rare Earth elements needed to make lightbulbs, tungsten. Have fun making lightbulbs after shtf. But I digress….

    • malthuss July 5, 2019 at 10:17 am #

      out of tallow?

    • DrTomSchmidt July 5, 2019 at 11:53 am #

      I have an LED hand-crank flashlight whose bulb is “guaranteed” for 100,000 hours. That’s probably going to outlive me, though by the time the bulb dies I’m sure no one will be able to replace it under guarantee.

      • K-Dog July 5, 2019 at 12:12 pm #

        Maybe the little plastic crank will break first?

        • malthuss July 5, 2019 at 1:48 pm #

          Really..I had a very expensive [20k in 1990s $] electronic set up.
          a plastic wheel wore out…no replacement.

        • DrTomSchmidt July 5, 2019 at 3:28 pm #

          Yes, most likely to go. As is the battery, too, that one charges with the crank. You can get them with metal parts in the crank for more money.

          Best is the polycarbonate flashlight I bought that uses a super capacitor and LED bulb. You charge the capacitor by shaking a magnet though a coil. The case is shatter-resistant, and completely sealed so the light can work in the water. It cost $70.

          So, what you want is a hand-cranked, sealed, capacitor-using LED flashlight. Ur post-industrial descendants will thank you 100 years from now.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 5, 2019 at 12:16 pm #

      The Amish kids petitioned their Elders for skateboards. The Elders said maybe, and gave it a trial period to see if a) the kids could do it without bothering other people and b)whether they could fix the boards themselves when they broke.

      This is the kind of mentality we need. Self control and prudence. Both towards ourselves and towards society as well – as in Elders getting to say No and that’s final if need be.

      Don’t know how it came out. No doubt it was just one community and most other Amish communities probably never questioned it at all. They are losing their grip as well after all.

      • malthuss July 5, 2019 at 1:48 pm #

        1960s skateboards had less plastic.

    • Nightowl July 5, 2019 at 2:53 pm #

      Even simple lightbulb tech. could actually still be viable though. Hasn’t the Shelby bulb been burning continuously since the Wright Brothers made their first flight?

      Here in Germany we all use LEDs anyways.

  7. SpeedyBB July 5, 2019 at 10:17 am #

    As an expatriate American I seem to perceive events in my homeland somewhat differently from those immersed in it on a daily basis. Some years back my retired parents were looking to move near a half-sister in north Texas. One small town they took me through had beautiful flagstone houses that must have been eighty years old for sale – around $20,000 at the time. Of course there was absolutely no employment within two hours’ drive so you’d either have to be wealthy (as in the amazing Fredericksberg, a picturesque restored town favored by visitors) or retired.

    I noticed a crew of men ripping up train tracks, and that gave me a most unpleasant, jarring feeling. It was after all the railroads that had been arteries carrying life and wealth through the region; now they were being extracted – which must have also cost a great deal of money, and what were they going to do with the rails? Were they at all aware of what depending on truck traffic for their sustenance implied?

    It was all very puzzling.

    • shotho July 5, 2019 at 12:30 pm #

      Yes, and, at some point, those same tracks will have to be laid again, at even greater cost.

    • mdhendler July 5, 2019 at 2:54 pm #

      Rails to Trails. The movement to convert abandoned rail track beds to recreational and commuting trails. I often use the local Washington and Old Dominion trail myself.

      There is also the Crescent Trail along an abandoned B&O track from Silver Spring, Maryland into Washington. However, it is now being converted to a commuter trolley line. Naturally, there are NIMBY complaints about that.

      Personally, I would like to see a lot more Trails Back to Rails in the future.

      • BornToKillPeace July 6, 2019 at 2:56 pm #

        Audubon bicycle interstates.

  8. BackRowHeckler July 5, 2019 at 10:26 am #

    Jim, what you wrote about Salem, NY pretty much describes the condition of NW CT as well. Just yesterday I was trout fishing in the shadow of the old Hitchcock Chair factory, which was active in the mid 19th century, closed, reopened in 1946, and closed for good in the 1990s. The furniture they made was beautiful, people liked it, but for whatever reason they couldn’t compete. Anyway, the Battenkill, I hear the trout fishing there us as good as it is in the Farmington.

    Brh

    • Nightowl July 5, 2019 at 11:21 am #

      “The furniture they made was beautiful […] but for whatever reason they couldn’t compete.”

      Globalism is the great destroyer of most of what anyone should care enough to care about.

      • malthuss July 5, 2019 at 1:50 pm #

        BUT the Chinks are building Swiss Villages, in China.

        • BackRowHeckler July 5, 2019 at 2:07 pm #

          They’ve also bought up many of the vineyards in the Champaign Valley in France.

          Brh

          • malthuss July 5, 2019 at 4:22 pm #

            Yes, but my point is they have this bizarre, lets copy attitude.

    • mdhendler July 5, 2019 at 2:30 pm #

      My grandmother bought some of the 1940s/50s Hitchcock chairs during that era. I have a couple of them. They are beautiful, but need chair pillows for comfort. Of course they are built from hard wood. The finish is still shiny. They look like new.

  9. messianicdruid July 5, 2019 at 10:28 am #

    GA says, “Indeed, MD, and revelation may demonstrate that it is written by humans ? . That revelation may be sudden or gradual.”

    For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

    I have never denied that men wrote it, I’m saying it could not have been done by man alone.

    • GreenAlba July 5, 2019 at 10:48 am #

      See what I mean? Every time I want to sit one out someone goes and does it 🙂 .

      Perhaps what is on old threads should stay on old threads.

      ” I’m saying it could not have been done by man alone.”

      And you are perfectly at liberty to say that and believe it. Others are at liberty to disagree. The books of the bible were ‘done’ by many, many men, which is why there are so many internal contradictions which ‘God’ didn’t bother to copyedit.

      I’m drawing a line under this…

      *******************

      in the meantime, since I’m here, it’s nice to have a flavour of a part of the US that’s being left in peace from a lot of what’s negative. Long may it keep its peace and may it eventually thrive, if that’s possible.

      These are the parts of the US I’d like to visit some day.

  10. RB July 5, 2019 at 10:45 am #

    The pictures posted by Mr. K show some seriously overweight/obese folks. I also note the total absence of minorities. I doubt the locals fret much over the invasion of the nation by the diseased, uneducated, unskilled mobs along the southern border. The “orcs” won’t go to the small towns because there is nothing there to be had in the way of a job and even criminal activity would not be worth the effort. I suspect that the jobs in small town Merica are government related, e.g. teachers, court clerks, town management etc. No doubt many others exist from the government entitlement programs that are ponzi operations. Few have any skills that are meaningful in such areas. Young people must go to the urban areas to find work and entertainment; there’s no choice. Or, they go into the military. Its an option. There are not many of those. The good news is that these small towns might be isolated enough to avoid one of the coming plagues. When the Spanish Flu was terrorizing the nation, some small towns quarantined themselves and would allow no one to come in. That might make a comeback.

    • mdhendler July 5, 2019 at 2:56 pm #

      But no red MAGA hats in the Salem parade! What’s wrong with those people?

  11. GreenAlba July 5, 2019 at 10:58 am #

    “When the Spanish Flu was terrorizing the nation, some small towns quarantined themselves and would allow no one to come in.”

    There’s an even better story written by Geraldine Brooks (she of ‘Nine Parts of Desire), inspired by the real story of the village of Eyam in Derbyshire, where plague was brought to the village, and the villagers (who didn’t understand what caused plague any more than anyone else did) quarantined themselves voluntarily to allow no-one OUT to spread plague beyond their village.

    Now that’s real humanity.

    amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005DI9SKW/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0

    It’s an excellent read.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 5, 2019 at 12:40 pm #

      So to be really human, one would have to let a possible plague carrier IN? Or even an obvious plague carrier?

      You are woefully imbalanced; a victim of the woefully imbalanced and mutated Christian impulse that became Liberalism.

      • elysianfield July 5, 2019 at 12:49 pm #

        Janos,
        Those who make decisions based upon emotion rather than realpolitik are not what we, in the future, are to label “survivors”….

        • GreenAlba July 5, 2019 at 2:25 pm #

          “Those who make decisions based upon emotion rather than realpolitik are not what we, in the future, are to label “survivors”….”

          Janos is not aiming at his personal survival at all costs, because he is a Christian, remember…

          • Janos Skorenzy July 5, 2019 at 3:33 pm #

            Christ said, I came to give you life more abundantly. And physical life is part of that Life.

          • GreenAlba July 5, 2019 at 4:12 pm #

            Don’t worry, Janos, nobody’s forcing you to do anything honourable. Save your skin above all if that’s what you feel called to.

            And in the meantime do stop making up stupid mind games about black and white babies. It’s sick and pathetic.

            You haven’t suggested what the people in the plague village should have done, instead of what they did. Which is why you retreat into irrelevant nonsense.

      • GreenAlba July 5, 2019 at 2:20 pm #

        Nowhere did I criticise the people for not letting in potential ‘flu carriers.

        I merely pointed out the admirable sacrifice of those suffering from plague who didn’t want to pass it on to other people.

        Some of them might have been saved by leaving their village before they got it themselves.

        They made the Christian choice, which you obviously find unacceptable.

      • GreenAlba July 5, 2019 at 2:23 pm #

        “So to be really human, one would have to let a possible plague carrier IN? ”

        Point to where I suggested that, fabricator.

      • GreenAlba July 5, 2019 at 2:34 pm #

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyam

        Insult them if you fell the need.

        • GreenAlba July 5, 2019 at 2:36 pm #

          *feel*

          • Janos Skorenzy July 6, 2019 at 2:09 pm #

            Yes, feelings are everything to you. Feels not reals. You don’t want there to be a God, or a White Race, or Nation States, so you work against them or pretend that they aren’t there at all.

          • GreenAlba July 6, 2019 at 7:24 pm #

            On the contrary, it would be lovely if there were a god – a nice one who didn’t burn people for eternity for honest disbelief.

          • GreenAlba July 7, 2019 at 7:28 am #

            And you can’t tell me I’m about ‘feels’, then try to disparage me for rationality. Or rather you can, because you’re you and an opportunist of the first water.

    • Tate July 6, 2019 at 1:12 pm #

      Now that’s real humanity.

      No, that’s just an early warped form of virtue-signaling.

      • GreenAlba July 6, 2019 at 6:29 pm #

        Tate, I don’t believe even you are really that much of a plonker.

        • Tate July 6, 2019 at 7:14 pm #

          I don’t know what a ‘plonker’ is but if it’s your back-handed way of calling me one (“even you”), I’m not surprised since you frequently engage in add hominy attacks & then accuse others of doing the same.

          • GreenAlba July 6, 2019 at 7:31 pm #

            Not at all, Tate. I don’t think you could possibly be that much of a plonker. I think you can’t help jumping on my posts, even when you have nothing sensible to say, but I don’t need to find a name for that.

            But since such situations may well arise again, talk me through it.

            London is being ravaged by plague but there’s none in the north of England. A bolt of cloth arrives from London to a small village, among other small villages, with plague-bearing fleas in it, and people in the village start to die. Hundreds eventually.

            So, you tell me, Tate, what should the villagers have done? Spread it throughout the North of England?

            And then tell my why you find Christian values so obnoxious that you can’t tell the difference between virtue signalling and plain old-fashioned virtue (who were they signalling to – God?). The NYT wasn’t there filming.

            If it helps, remember it isn’t about me, it’s about the villagers of Eyam in 1665.

          • Tate July 7, 2019 at 1:11 pm #

            Excuse me, I thought you were a virtue-signaller. I must be mistaken. /s

          • GreenAlba July 7, 2019 at 4:56 pm #

            It has nothing to do with me. It’s about a village in 1665.

            Are we getting anywhere yet?

          • GreenAlba July 7, 2019 at 4:58 pm #

            And since you accused the villagers of virtue signalling, it is entirely up to you to explain what that means in this context and what they should have done instead.

            I’m still waiting.

          • Majella July 7, 2019 at 10:37 pm #

            …and waiting…

  12. 4014HAMPHEDGE July 5, 2019 at 10:58 am #

    Nike ashamed of the Betsy Ross flag seems so much a natural fit…

    As we approach EMP events stifling the rubber tire vision, and food distribution along with, what portion of the wealth understands railway in the solution set?

    William Forstchen “ONE SECOND AFTER” remains significant read for the “LONG EMERGERNCY” book club. As for the EMP topic, see Richard Clark “CYBERWARFARE” and, investigate the Peter Pry organization and his reports to Congress.

    • BackRowHeckler July 5, 2019 at 12:24 pm #

      Lot of Betsy Ross flags on display in the DC parade yesterday, and I’ve seen a few around town this morning.

      Who buys Nike sneakers, anyway?

      Brh

      • JohnAZ July 5, 2019 at 1:34 pm #

        Few enough to put them into bankruptcy. Public outcry used to put errant companies under. Public power should be paramount.

    • JohnAZ July 5, 2019 at 1:36 pm #

      How can one person, no matter what he is , have enough power to control the marketplace of an item. Nike is dumb, period!

      • abbybwood July 5, 2019 at 2:32 pm #

        Interesting that Obama had the Betsy Ross flags flying at his second inauguration.

        Then today I saw a picture of the governor who was making such a stink about Nike wearing Nike sneakers at his 4th of July picnic!

      • hmuller July 5, 2019 at 3:26 pm #

        You can’t make up shit this ridiculous. A self-appointed shoe critic and failed NFL football player decides that Betsy Ross and her flag are racist. (Evidence of which is neither offered nor required). So NIke meekly bends over and cancels the design.

        It’s no longer civil war heritage but all American heritage which offends these globalist bastards.

        Clearly, their agenda is to destroy our culture and national identity. Hatefully dividing Americans against one another with “identity politics”, they proclaim their own self-righteous virtue. I smell George Soros all over this. (Smells liking the rotting flesh of a reptilian demon, if you must know)

        I suggest these people launch a major hissy fit attack on “Hamilton” and tie a knot in the Broadway crowd’s panties. After all Hamilton did nothing to oppose slavery. Sounds like a Nazi and KKK collaborator to me. (Never mind that the Nazi’s and KKK didn’t exist yet, when has history mattered to that mob of idiots?)

        Georgetown Prof Compares Betsy Ross Flag To Swastika And KKK Cross
        zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-05/georgetown-prof-compares-betsy-ross-flag-swastika-and-kkk-cross

        • malthuss July 5, 2019 at 4:44 pm #

          He, like the footballer, is a mud. looks mostly YT [whitey] but also trace Black, IMO.

        • Tate July 5, 2019 at 4:58 pm #

          But Betsy Ross was racist. Everybody was racist back in those days. You would have been locked up in a lunatic asylum if you weren’t. Because that was a time when the world seemed rational. Nowadays, not so much. A little race realism injected into our current political ‘dialogue’ would be so clarifying.

        • Nightowl July 5, 2019 at 5:28 pm #

          Don’t get too worked up yet, it is going to get more ridiculous.

        • BornToKillPeace July 6, 2019 at 3:50 pm #

          My question is, how did an enlarged part of the populace come to believe they now are historians?

          • benr July 7, 2019 at 2:10 pm #

            The payoff of everyone gets a trophy society.

      • Janos Skorenzy July 5, 2019 at 3:34 pm #

        The whole thing is not only ridiculous but grotesque. Boycott.

  13. Nightowl July 5, 2019 at 11:02 am #

    Reminds me somewhat of the town I was raised in (until age 7) — Rome, NY. We got more of the big-box treatment though, as the Airforce base as well as Revere Ware and other remnants of an manufacturing-based/industrial past meant we had a bit more spending power – until all that stuff went away.

    Sitting here halfway across the world in Germany, I appreciated the sentiment in this post and the pics.

  14. FincaInTheMountains July 5, 2019 at 11:16 am #

    A Great Start

    Detained by the Russian Federal Security Bureau (FSB) for treason turned out to be assistant to Special Representative of the President of the Russian Federation

    ria.ru/20190705/1556248477.html

    youtube.com/watch?v=__uAO0-PlsQ

    Your turn, now…

  15. mj_crites July 5, 2019 at 11:22 am #

    A good post today. Thanks.

  16. DrTomSchmidt July 5, 2019 at 11:57 am #

    What’s been outsourced in retail isn’t the jobs, but the management. Napoleon sneered about fighting a “nation of shopkeepers,” but those small entrepreneurs built a dynamic economy that destroyed his war machine, eventually. Globalization beheaded the petit bourgeoisie, which will need to return before we can relocalize. Worse than exporting the profits from the Battenkill Valley was exporting the ability to learn management and entrepreneurial skills.

    Let’s hope that that returns. Everywhere.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 5, 2019 at 12:45 pm #

      Liberal cities are full of that kind of thing and those kind of people. I think the basic skill are what’s lacking. I mean you can’t sell what isn’t made. And of course the infrastructure and agriculture will have to become localized as well.

      • DrTomSchmidt July 5, 2019 at 3:30 pm #

        I see more and more chain stores in NYC, Janos. A recent trip to Milan pointed up the difference, with many more small shops run by people with skin in the game. The cult of management is killing small ownership everywhere, backed up by Fed bailouts for the bloated,

        • Janos Skorenzy July 5, 2019 at 3:37 pm #

          Small business is an ideal held by many, both Liberal and Conservative. NYC is Gotham – standing in for our whole Civilization. The “great City” of Revelations, or one of two (Babylon) being the other.

          Other, smaller big cities are much better in this regard.

  17. capt spaulding July 5, 2019 at 12:32 pm #

    Those jobs are gone and are not coming back. The next advance is coming in robotics, which will hurt the Chinese as much as it hurts us. We seem to be reaching critical mass in a lot of areas, and because of the exploding population, it won’t get any better. Then on top of everything else, toss in Climate Change, stir vigorously, and serve.

    • Skylark July 5, 2019 at 3:47 pm #

      Interesting is how the tariffs on China were/are supposed to drive production back to the U.S.- but I’m reading stories about how the Chinese are moving factories to SE Asia instead in response. Interesting too will be the byproduct of that- more Chinese out of work, social unrest…

      • benr July 5, 2019 at 8:21 pm #

        What happens when you have a large male population no jobs and they can’t get married?

  18. neon sky July 5, 2019 at 1:06 pm #

    I remember driving from southern NE to the Troy-buit factory in Troy NY in the 80’s to buy a rototiller. They were built there, imagine that. Troy, not far from JHK’s town, was, even then, a tired old factory town that had seen better times, as I recall. Now, Troy-built no longer even has a presence in Troy, or NY State. But who would be surprised by that?

    I have to mildly disagree with JHK in his belief, or is it hope, that small stores will again open on Main St when the big boxes die. Maybe, but more than likely (though I hope not) they’ll get the next corporate wave; the Dollar Generals and Dollar Trees.

    • JohnAZ July 5, 2019 at 1:30 pm #

      JHK’s belief of the return of Main St. is really based on the demise of widespread transportation based on fossil fuels. Peak Oil will shrink everyone’s viewpoint and thus will re foster localization.

      Peal Oil is what will slaughter the big boxes and globalization. Let us hope it happens before the ability to react is gone.

    • Rulo Deschamps July 6, 2019 at 7:11 pm #

      I still have a functioning TroyBuilt rototiller built in 1971. Quality.

      • K-Dog July 9, 2019 at 10:28 am #

        ‘You plant more seeds, and teach others to live free of hubris in this world, not seeking to be Gaia’s masters but her servants, and to leave the old demons alone, rejecting the power they offer.

        A story on your blog. I’ll read it when I have more time.

        (green comment names are links)

  19. FincaInTheMountains July 5, 2019 at 1:20 pm #

    Let’s hope that that returns. Everywhere.

    Let’s hope that Historical Optimism returns to the American people.

    Everywhere!

  20. JohnAZ July 5, 2019 at 1:24 pm #

    The melancholy of this post is overwhelming to the folks among us that remember small town USA of the 50’s. My parents were early suburbanites but my grandparents lived in a small town in NW Pennsylvania. My memories of that town are wonderful but I watched it deteriorate over the years. It was a tool and die center for the auto industry but now its main employer is Walmart.

    The country is changing politically because of the demise of small town America. Small towns were created to support the agricultural population, then developed local manufacturing as the industrial revolution took root. Transportation was small and slow as was communication. However, it was very HUMAN. People’s development and maturation was more complete as it was a requirement to survive in the people on people environment.

    As the mega cities developed, a different sort of people developed. People became dependent on systems instead of each other. People became more isolated as their personal space shrunk in the urban environment. As their dependence increased, so did their reliance on the government. Think about it, an urban dweller looks to what for sustenance. Big boxes and the JIT inventory control that goes with them. Opportunity for work shrinks and folks look to government for taking care of them. The Liberal appeal is huge to dependent folks.

    The demise of agriculture is a huge undercurrent to the urbanization problem. As technology destroyed the human side of growing food, the need for the small town declined. People moved to the cities to get work and manufacturing followed. Globalization is sucking the cities dry currently, creating more surplus people. Then the idiot immigration laws are creating even more surplus population in the cities.

    The pathway to obsolescence of the human being as a necessary part of the economy continues today and is accelerating. The cities are repositories for the surplus population as their labor no longer matters. The problem is obvious, capital is labor. As labor declines, real capital declines and the capital base of the world is turning into a global Fantasyland. Playing games, gambling, either in Las Vegas or the Stock Market are taking over phony capital building.

    The ultimate collapse will come when the real aspects of Fantasyland become obvious enough that the folks lose faith. When that happens, the Residue of small town America with its agricultural base, will be in good shape for a short period of time. Better buy a gun, the heavy footprints from the cities are coming. All those surplus people are not going to go into the night willingly.

    Continued movement to the cities is going to make the end just more painful. I hope this ultimate solution happens after I am gone. I t not going to be pretty.

    • abbybwood July 5, 2019 at 3:35 pm #

      In 1960, I was ten years old and lived in Willard, Ohio with a population of about 5,000.

      It was a classic small town and safe for a child my age to walk alone to elementary and high school. (Although the walls along Myrtle Avenue in front of some houses could be a little dangerous to jump across on the way home).

      Most people worked on the B&O railroad or at Pioneer Rubber Company where they made latex surgical gloves. A few years later RR Donnelley and Sons (a huge printing company) moved to Willard and made phone books and The Encyclopedia Britannica. Then Pepperidge Farms built a cookie factory just out of town.

      Another big employer was the town of Celeryville located about 3 miles out of Willard. There was black “muck” in the ground and hundreds of Dutch from Michigan moved there to be farmers in the early 1900’s. Probably all of the vegetables in town were grown in Celeryville. One of the only markets we had to buy every day kitchen items was called “The Holland Market”. We’d drive out to local farms to buy gallons of maple syrup and to load up on peaches and tomatoes for canning.

      Central Elementary was a few blocks from the B&O rail yards and from the small downtown area.

      Sometimes on the way home from fifth grade I would go to Ben Franklin’s to load up on a bag of penny candy. Next door was Jackson’s Drug Store where you could sit at the counter and get a hamburger and a cherry coke for a quarter (and test all the perfumes on the way out) next was an auto parts store, then Jump’s clothing store ( I nearly wiped my mom’s account out in high school buying hosiery there!). There was another counter sit down place on the next corner that had tables in the back and a juke box. Lots of teens hung out there after school. Then there was a lawyer’s office, a real estate office and the police station, fire station and City Hall on the corner.

      Across the street was The Village Bakery then a bar/restaurant we went to after football games in high school, then Sharick’s jewelry store and The Temple Theatre where the Masons met and we’d go to the movies there on the weekends. We had a weekly newspaper that was fun to read and that office was on the way home. And of course we had a post office. Plenty of jobs for all kinds of people.

      If we had to get new winter coats or something “special” we would drive to Cleveland and shop at Higbees.

      We had a 50 bed hospital in town and 5 doctors, most made house calls. A high school with a football field, and a gymnasium for basketball games and a very big auditorium for school plays.

      There was a big park and “the city pool” where I bought a “season ticket” for $20.

      We had two bowling alleys, probably eight churches and three cemeteries. Plenty of nice hills for sledding in the winter.

      And NO homeless people. If someone was in trouble the churches would reach out to help.

      I remember there was a Black man who was the best house painter in town. He was always busy. One year he had a massive heart attack and was hospitalized for about three weeks and accrued quite a large hospital bill he was unable to pay. My mom was a nurse at the hospital and she told us the story about how his doctor came into his room the day he was discharged and presented him with the entire bill where it read, “Paid in full”.

      I left my town out of high school and ended up in California. Last year I went back for my high school reunion and the changes were profound but I suppose were destined to happen.

      All the migrant workers from Mexico who made the trip to work in Celeryville every summer then go back to Mexico in the fall ended up moving to Willard permanently where they have bought houses and created lots of Latino themed restaurants downtown. Apparently that’s been a bit of a cultural shock to “the old timers”.

      Most of the old stores are gone now. The police station moved, the Temple Theatre is boarded up. Nothing much was the same. Even my old high school was recently torn down for a “new” one.

      Now that I am older I miss the small town vibe/community. I miss going to the grocery store and having five people stop me to “chat”. I miss the thunder and lightning and the goofy Memorial Day parades to the cemetery with the band and majorettes. I miss swimming at the pool and seeing the stars at night (no stars in Los Angeles) and tooling my bike around town after a summer rain.

      Small towns are such a beautiful Blessing….especially when they function well for everyone, like Willard did in the 1960’s.

      • neon sky July 5, 2019 at 4:20 pm #

        abbybwood, Nice memories, lucky, fortunate you.

        A question: I’m really into intensive vegetable gardening and agriculture. We grow much food, for ourselves.

        When you wrote, “There was black “muck” in the ground …” What did they grow in that soil? Do you recall? Onions? Just curious.

        • abbybwood July 6, 2019 at 12:14 am #

          Actually a lot of onions! And celery of course. And garlic.

          I can still remember the smell of the muck while driving down the two lane road through Celeryville in the spring and summer. It is a rich almost sweet smell:

          deseretnews.com/article/7362/SMALL-OHIO-TOWN-IS-FAMOUS-FOR-ITS-CELERY.html

          I know one of the big growers there and he bought up many hundreds of acres of land in Gilroy here in California decades ago where he grows LOTS of garlic and carrots.

          • neon sky July 8, 2019 at 11:47 am #

            Thanks abbybwood. As I thought, onions. Celeryville, what a great name.

            I grow onions. Last year we harvested about 200 lbs, for two people. Still eating them and watching this years crop finish up. Not going to be as good a harvest as last year’. Garlic did well. We harvested about 300 heads yesterday. They’s now curing here in the house. What a smell.

            I’ll check out the link now…

    • GreenAlba July 5, 2019 at 3:36 pm #

      I suppose Americans see cities from a different perspective. Mine was founded by royal charter in 1124.

      There were 14-storey tenements in the Royal Mile, in the Old Town, where the rich lived in the same buildings as the poor, and people kept cattle in rooms with them! All the muck from absolutely everything flowed downhill into the Nor’loch, which was later drained to form the Castle Gardens and Waverley Station.

      I’ll have to put my faith in the social capital we share when the SHTF, since I don’t have any other kind of capital.

      Edinburgh’s been here more than four times longer than than the United States has existed, so fingers crossed.

      • malthuss July 5, 2019 at 4:18 pm #

        Edinburgh is not a country.

        • GreenAlba July 5, 2019 at 4:43 pm #

          Well spotted, Malthuss. Have a teacake.

      • Walter B July 5, 2019 at 9:39 pm #

        You say that when our unsustainable systems take on their inevitable state of chaos that you put your faith in the social capitol that your cities contain GA. I am truly happy to hear that you can feel that way and I have no reason nor evidence to argue that you are not correct, good for you. Unfortunately for US(A) I cannot believe that this is even close to being possible. There are far too many miscreants that are currently collecting their extortion payments to not work and to not make a living off of robbing the rest of us for me to think that such conditions exist here in the states. All of our worst case scenarios in government, law enforcement, and emergency management include mass chaos and violence. Unless endless and increased money printing can keep the lid on the current situation, the future is going to get real serious and quite interesting in America when the cha-cha-cha-changes kick in.

        • GreenAlba July 6, 2019 at 6:09 am #

          It’s not a case of expecting everything to work out fine, Walter, or even expanding what I said to anywhere beyond where I live. Edinburgh is a small city, as cities go, in a small country, and it has its share of miscreants. ‘Putting [my] faith in’ is a turn of phrase anyway – I suppose it really just means throwing my lot in with my immediate and wider neighbours, plus maybe the hinterlands which may still provide food, since I don’t have anywhere to grow any. If they can’t, they can’t, but there’s still more social solidarity in Scotland than in some other places.

          That doesn’t remotely mean the miscreants or the desperate won’t try to break into our homes and take what we have (by that time I expect people to be stealing food, clothes and shoes, rather than electrical goods, of course!) but if we don’t have police it helps to know a decent number of your neighbours, for instance.

          My position is a bit like the people who live right under the dam, who have been found to live less anxiously than those who live further down and who might have a chance to escape if the dam breaks. The people at the top, like the people who have no kitchen garden, no weapons and no distance between themselves and either their neighbours or their enemies, spend less time fretting about what they can do to save themselves, because they know there is nothing. They will survive with their neighbours or they will not survive and only time will tell. If it brings terror, it brings terror, but there is no point in thinking about it all the time if there’s literally nothing you can do about it. Best to enjoy the now, but reading doomy stuff keeps me grounded just the same, I suppose. I’m with the Stoics, who faced the worst in their minds, then got on with what they could get on with.

          The coward dies a thousand deaths, as they say (and I’m one when it comes to miscreants breaking into my home!) – so too does the person who worries about things they can do nothing about.

          The UK isn’t the US. You can’t just go and by some land far from anywhere, because beyond the beautiful but barren moors and mountains there’s nowhere far from anywhere (and all the productive land is taken). And most people can’t afford it anyway – and some of us are just too old!

          There are scenarios in which I know I won’t survive a week. So be it. If there’s food, the young need it first. I’ll settle for a good dose of ‘flu to see me off – the ‘old man’s friend’, as it used to be called, and hope for nothing more violent. But it’s my kids I worry about and my grandson – and unfortunately there’s nothing I can do for them either in a really bad scenario.

          • GreenAlba July 6, 2019 at 12:13 pm #

            *buy* even…

          • Walter B July 6, 2019 at 12:18 pm #

            Understood and agreed. I used to get upset once I lost all faith in the government that in the event of pending calamity from something as natural as an asteroid strike, they could not be trusted to warn the population beforehand. As I learned and grew in understanding, I realized that the government already warns us to prepare for things going wrong, but warning of an actual event would be foolish. Far more would panic and act badly beforehand and even more would perish as a result. And if the event did not materialize, well then it would have all been for naught.

            There are many things that can go wrong with our day to day and only a few people can consider such potential threats, prepare as best they can, and be in positions to help out those less fortunate when something does happen. It may be easy for some of us to know and not worry ourselves to death, but it is impossible for a majority to do the same. Ignorance can certainly be bliss and it certainly keeps the gears turning until the last minute, and that is a very, very good thing!

    • James Hansen July 5, 2019 at 9:07 pm #

      Nice post, you can write very well when you want to.

    • Rulo Deschamps July 6, 2019 at 7:13 pm #

      Well stated, AZ

  21. BuckP July 5, 2019 at 2:02 pm #

    Thanks Jim, Enjoyed reading your excellent post today!

    The little, once-bustling, forgotten, off the Interstate, flyover towns, in upstate NY described by Jim, today, remind me of those same kindred towns in eastern CO, western KS and the Texas Panhandle. These western towns, dotting the Great Plains, were located at railroad stops and once served the nearby family farms and ranches. Each town had either a grain elevator, tallest structure in town, or stockyard, a few churches (one Catholic, one Protestant), an elhi school with a gymnasium and football field, a feed store, a farm implement store, a grocery store, a drug store, a movie theatre and a diner or two. Once, the family farm or ranch was an integral part of the American economy and one of her strengths,but has, now, given way to the corporate farm or feedlot. Olympic medalists, Supreme Court Justices, generals, presidents, major league ball players, etc. all came out of these little towns. Now, the only survivors are those old farm towns within commuting distance of a metroplex, Denver, which have morphed into exurbs.
    In a 100 years, will the demise of the metroplexes be mourned?

    • Walter B July 5, 2019 at 10:20 pm #

      Having spent a lot of time recently in places as Jim describes such as Hawley and Honesdale, Pennsylvania, I would take an uncharacteristic view that the glass is half, if not completely full. These small towns will one day become sanctuaries from the chaos that unsustainable urban life will become, just as our host describes in his “World Made by Hand” novels, even if the collapse is not so dramatic. If it is all a cycle and what was old becomes what is new, then mark my words, the hidden value of such havens of America shall once again outshine the gaudy glitter of all show and no go big urban America.

  22. wm5135 July 5, 2019 at 2:08 pm #

    “I’d put the high-tide of it all at about 1900, when all the systems of manufacturing and transport were humming in synchrony.” JHK

    The wealth that was the foundation for the whole came from a labor force, agrarian and trade, that had produced more than it consumed and saved.

    When 1900 arrived the effort to disembowel labor was a national effort, and the coming Dust Bowl would decimate the agrarian base.

    The US labor force of today, by design, is incapable of producing more than it consumes. Debt supported consumption seems an unlikely foundation for any future.

    Lots of personal fireworks here last night – echoes of the 4th

  23. Lonely Traveler July 5, 2019 at 2:19 pm #

    I really like what Mr. Kunstler has to say about the future of small towns like Salem:

    “When enough of those predatory outfits are gone, someone may get a notion to sell stuff out of our empty main streets shops again. Of course, nobody’s thinking about making stuff that might be sold in those storefronts, but a sense of opportunity may arise quickly as the wind-down of Globalism — and all it implies for local places — becomes self-evident.”

    I live in a small city a little further north than Salem. We are surrounded by a township with all the big box stores. It seems like for every new retail store that comes in the township, another one closes. Sears and K-Mart are gone. Lowe’s is struggling. A bunch of places that specialize in one thing or another are barely hanging on. Meanwhile, downtown has just about every storefront filled. Many of the places sell used merchandise. It’s a good place to go look for stuff you need. The furniture is cheap but sturdy. They don’t make stuff like they used to; it was way better way back when. I don’t know how long this supply of used stuff will last, but it seems like a pretty good model for what might happen post-collapse.

  24. Elrond Hubbard July 5, 2019 at 2:24 pm #

    Border Patrol Agents Tried to Delete Racist and Obscene Facebook Posts. We Archived Them.

    theintercept.com/2019/07/05/border-patrol-facebook-group/

    “The scrubbing began quickly. At 10:55 a.m., ProPublica published a story reporting the existence of a secret, invitation-only Facebook group for current and former Border Patrol agents that featured vulgar, violent, and misogynistic content directed at migrants and lawmakers.

    “A little over two hours later, Rep. Bennie G. Thompson, chair of the House Committee on Homeland Security, called for active-duty agents responsible for the posts to lose their jobs. Minutes after that, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the agency that oversees the Border Patrol, said in a tweet that the inspector general’s office at the Department of Homeland Security was ‘immediately informed’ of the ‘disturbing social media activity,’ and an internal investigation has been launched.

    “Back in the ‘I’m 10-15’ Facebook group, evidence that might inform such an investigation was quickly disappearing. The name of the group — radio lingo Border Patrol agents use when they take a migrant into custody — was changed to ‘America First X 2,’ and the group was archived. …

    “… The Intercept gained full access to the invitation-only Border Patrol group weeks ago and, for more than a month has collected and archived hundreds of posts that show that the content shared with ProPublica was no aberration. In fact, the Border Patrol group was a hotbed for the kind of right-wing memes and anti-immigrant hate common in some corners of the internet. The only difference is that the group — which had nearly 10,000 members at the time it was exposed and has since dwindled to a little over 4,000 — was meant to be used by current and former federal law enforcement personnel.”

    Honour means not having to fear people learning the truth about you. So what does this incident tell us? Is ‘honour’ the word that comes to mind?

    • Exscotticus July 5, 2019 at 3:00 pm #

      >>> Honour means not having to fear people learning the truth about you. So what does this incident tell us? Is ‘honour’ the word that comes to mind?

      Now there’s an Orwellian T-Shirt you can wear proudly, Elrond: Privacy is Dishonor.

      Of course you have no problem with mounties entering your abode without a warrant because—what?—if you’ve got nothing to hide, then you’ve got nothing to worry about?

      Did it ever occur to you that this Facebook forum was private precisely because of the harm it would cause if it wasn’t? No—not merely to those offended by it, but to those who may lose their jobs by expressing their opinions with like-minded individuals.

      You may not like these opinions, Elrond, but we don’t have your free-speech-eviscerating “hate speech” laws here. We recognize that such laws only serve to stifle unpopular or unsanctioned views. And in my opinion, laws that serve to diminish 1A are the most hateful of all.

      • malthuss July 5, 2019 at 4:58 pm #

        Racist and Obscene Facebook Posts
        What about [so called] Free Speech?
        Is racism just in group feelings?

      • Elrond Hubbard July 5, 2019 at 5:05 pm #

        Count the solecisms:

        1. Claiming that I have no respect for privacy, and am eager for government intrusion: Untrue. If I thought hateful opinions should be criminalized, I wouldn’t post or engage here, would I? It’s not like there’s a shortage.*

        2. False analogy between the contents of a private forum coming to public attention, and warrantless searches and seizure by police.

        3. I have some sympathy with people needing a place to vent un-PC opinions. Here, read this tweet I sent out today:

        twitter.com/lbeaton1/status/1147237507878330368?s=21

        Where my sympathy drops off a cliff, however, is when the people involved are armed government agents. Then it becomes very much a matter of public concern when they start fantasizing out loud about hurting people in their custody, or openly disrespecting elected representatives. You see, I dislike all abuses of government power, not just when the ‘Mounties’ break down my door in particular. I would be a better guardian of your civil liberties than you would be of mine, Exscotticus.

        4. The idea that I am calling for laws barring free speech. Also false. The most far-reaching free speech protections do not protect plans to execute violence. People trusted with government authority, including border guards, not only need to be trustworthy in this respect but seen to be trustworthy.

        * Fuck you, Janos.

        • Exscotticus July 5, 2019 at 6:58 pm #

          >>> If I thought hateful opinions should be criminalized, I wouldn’t post or engage here, would I?

          Wouldn’t be your first double standard by any means.

          >>> Where my sympathy drops off a cliff, however, is when the people involved are armed government agents… openly disrespecting elected representatives

          But they weren’t “openly” disrespecting elected representatives. It was a private invitation-only forum. Nor is it accurate to portray this forum as a place for “fantasizing out loud about hurting people in their custody.” The principal complaint was that the comments and imagery were “xenophobic and sexist.” Where the Left is concerned, however, that’s pretty much everyone. Certainly Trump and all his supporters. And it’s certainly covered by true free speech rights.

          I do understand the need for law enforcement to appear impartial. But in this case they were discreet. It was a private invitation-only forum.

          >>> The most far-reaching free speech protections do not protect plans to execute violence.

          Nor should they. But “plans to execute violence” are not required for hate speech prosecution. And, btw, such plans would already be unlawful under criminal conspiracy statutes.

          >>> I would be a better guardian of your civil liberties than you would be of mine, Exscotticus.

          You live in Canada. I can’t guard what you don’t have.

          • hmuller July 7, 2019 at 9:58 am #

            Good answer, Exscot.!

            I’ll bet Elrond doesn’t have a problem with high ranking personnel in the FBI, CIA, DOJ, and other deep state operatives trying to overthrow a legally elected public official – President Trump.

            Oh no, let them use every dirty trick, falsehood, and cloak & dagger technique to undermine the election results. They have that right if they are on Elrond’s end of the ideological spectrum. (Both Comey and Brennan have admitted to voting the Communist ticket, by the way. I guess that’s why Obama appointed them.)

            This is just more biased, hypocritical blather from the great muddle headed moron of the north.

        • Janos Skorenzy July 6, 2019 at 12:15 am #

          But when it comes to the Antifa and their right to wear masks, privacy suddenly becomes all important again, right? The Left has no real Ideals. Or rather Ideals are just cognitive weapons of convenience to be adopted and discarded as needed.

    • Tate July 5, 2019 at 4:41 pm #

      Omigosh, if that 6,000 who left the group stand for the opinions of the country as a whole, that means that 60% of the country is racially insensitive & must be re-educated or purged. If 60% of the 60% can’t be re-educated properly, that means that 36% will have to be purged.

      If my math is correct, that’s almost 100 million who will have to be purged (not counting children). So, even allowing for population inflation since the 70s, that means that Bill Ayers & Bernadette Dorn were seriously undercounting how many would have to be “purged,” i.e., genocided, when they take over.

      • Elrond Hubbard July 5, 2019 at 5:26 pm #

        This is bilge. The actual problem is the possibility, or likelihood, that this represents the opinions of the people who enforce the laws. Trusting the good-guys-with-guns to only hurt the people you hate and fear is playing with fire, Tate. Your head goes tonk too.

        • Tate July 5, 2019 at 5:54 pm #

          Not bilge. Da truth.

          For reasons that historians will argue about for decades to come, the revelation that socialist Barack Hussein Obama was close personal friends with unrepentant Weather Underground bombers Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn failed to torpedo Obama’s presidential bid. In fact, it caused little more than a ripple at the time in the mainstream media and only came up when alleged journalist George Stephanopoulos, a longtime Bill and Hillary Clinton loyalist, raised the disturbing connection during a primary-season presidential debate to hurt Obama’s campaign…

          Although plenty of largely sympathetic drivel has been written about the Weather Underground, very little scholarship has focused on the truly diabolical plans the group hoped to execute had it succeeded in its stated goal of overthrowing the elected government of the United States. Time magazine once boosted Grathwohl as the only successful infiltrator of the Weather Underground, but the media could only yawn when he resurfaced on a few television shows during our terrorist-friendly president’s first drive for election. It was media malpractice at its worst.

          Grathwohl: “I asked, well, what is going to happen to those people that we can’t reeducate that are diehard capitalists and the reply was that they’d have to be eliminated. And when I pursued this further they estimated that they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these reeducation centers. And when I say eliminate I mean kill – 25 million people.

          I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people most of which have graduate degrees from Columbia and other well known educational centers and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people and they were dead serious.”

          frontpagemag.com/fpm/197936/larry-grathwohl-requiem-american-hero-matthew-vadum

        • benr July 5, 2019 at 8:27 pm #

          I find it odd that you comment on subject you are vastly ignorant on.

          • Majella July 7, 2019 at 10:53 pm #

            benr – Still haven’t checked out those English lessons at Community College yet?

            Correct English is “I find it odd that you comment on A SUBJECT OF WHICH YOU ARE VASTLY IGNORANT’

            TFTFY. At least it was one thought so one sentence is correct and the punctuation was also right on the button!

  25. Ol' Scratch July 5, 2019 at 2:28 pm #

    Beautiful, Jim, just beautiful! I can easily imagine I’m looking at the people in those photos from one hundred years hence and wondering what they were thinking as they went about their daily lives in the face of the monumental red tide that was about to sweep over them. Taking the long view, it’s just another downturn in history like so many before and which there will no doubt be many more in our future. But it’s still bittersweet to live through it and watch it unfold, all the same.

    As Buck P notes so well above, out here in the shadows of the Rocky Mountains we’re more than well acquainted with the whole boom/bust cycle, as our landscape is littered with once bustling humble little burgs who have long since crumbled back to prairie dust or are well on their way to doing so now due to their inevitable economic misfortune. The wind blows hard and mercilessly on our mostly treeless plains, so their corporeal remains are scattered to the four winds all to soon enough, and with it the once proud human culture they represented. One hundred years from now there will be no trace left of any of it.

    • malthuss July 5, 2019 at 4:35 pm #

      what tide? not tide pods. depopulation? starvation?

  26. BackRowHeckler July 5, 2019 at 2:47 pm #

    That last paragraph there OS, very poetic, but very sad at the same time. Hunter S Thompson, who lived in Colorado, could have written that.

    Brh

    • Ol' Scratch July 5, 2019 at 4:26 pm #

      Thanks Brh! I imagine the once loudly and proudly defiant Thompson realized the inevitability of it all shortly before he cashed in his chips. Reminds me of the quote from No Country for Old Men:

      (Old Man) Ellis: What you got ain’t nothin’ new. This country’s hard on people. You can’t stop what’s coming. It ain’t all waiting on you. That’s vanity.

      • malthuss July 5, 2019 at 5:00 pm #

        Would you share any personal data? You have such interesting posts.

      • JohnAZ July 5, 2019 at 5:12 pm #

        Interesting to hear you are in Colorado. Before I was John AZ I would have been JohnCO.

        I agree with you about Colorado, it has been the economic pawn of generations of capitalists. I remember the oil shale debacle of the 80’s when the oil companies held out great visions of wealth. Then the retort recovery fell through and the state had another recession.

        JHK mentions Colorado in TLE stating without cheap oil the economy of Colorado will cease to function, especially the mountains. The creation of wealth slowed in Colorado as manufacturing moved offshore. I was part of it as I worked for a semiconductor house in Colorado Springs when it was being touted as Silicon Mountain. The recession of 1991 wiped that dream out as well as my job. Colorado was the first to acknowledge it did not have enough of a tax base and legalized marijuana for its tax revenue.

        Hey maybe marijuana is the agricultural Brave New World. What is next however when the greed merchants absorb marijuana’s economic impact. Which they will.

        • benr July 5, 2019 at 8:29 pm #

          Using all that weed that can’t be smoked or used for cbd oil to make ethanol.

        • Tate July 5, 2019 at 9:52 pm #

          Hemp is one of the most useful plants there is. But smoking it is for dopes.

          • benr July 5, 2019 at 11:34 pm #

            No argument from me never could get past the stench.

  27. auburn July 5, 2019 at 3:10 pm #

    They made men’s shirts, women’s lingerie

    Was the clothing made from cotton? Who harvested the cotton pre-1863? Battenkill Valley may be off the beaten track, but it was part of a national economy. Your economy historically was interrelated with the South and its cruel and inhuman treatment of slaves.

    That one crop, slave-grown cotton, historically provided over half of all US export earnings. In 1860, the economic value of slaves in the United States exceeded the invested value of all of the nation’s railroads, factories, and banks combined.

    Black slaves built the United States. Slave labor was used in agriculture, manufacturing, factory work, mining, etc. Today’s missive seems white-washed.

    • BackRowHeckler July 5, 2019 at 3:29 pm #

      Hey little jane, who gives a f#k?

    • Exscotticus July 5, 2019 at 3:34 pm #

      >>> Black slaves built the United States.

      Really? The entire nation? Did they invent the cotton gin, too? They sure manufactured them for profit.

      So by your sweeping race-goggleisms, anyone who purchased slave-produced cotton was complicit in perpetuating slavery? So that would be… the entire world at that time including slaves, themselves, yes? Or did slaves not wear cotton? Freed slaves also wore cotton, yes? Some freed slaves even owned slaves, themselves. And I bet those black slave owners had descendants. Should we dox them and single them out? No reparations for you!

    • Ol' Scratch July 5, 2019 at 4:34 pm #

      Black slaves built the United States. Slave labor was used in agriculture, manufacturing, factory work, mining, etc. Today’s missive seems white-washed.

      Fortunately for everyone else, northern industrialists realized that as log as southern plantation owners limited slavery to just blacks, labor wage arbitrage could not be fully realized, therefore the blacks had to be “freed,” in order to expand the slave labor pool to blacks and whites north and south of the Mason Dixon line. Of course that would be expanded to women and hispanic and asian minorities all to soon as well, before technology and global shipping allowed production to be shipped to where the cheap labor was, instead of forcing all those poor laborers to relocate to the job sites. Now wasn’t that nice of those wealthy industrialists?

    • Nightowl July 5, 2019 at 4:36 pm #

      One day you will figure out that slaves built many societies. Then you may stumble across the fact that black slavers in Africa sold slaves into slavery in the US, too. There are open slave markets in Libya as we speak.

      The world is a nasty place, oh most woketh one.

    • elysianfield July 5, 2019 at 6:40 pm #

      “Black slaves built the United States

      Baltimore,
      Detroit,
      Camden,
      Oakland,

      As have the descendants of slaves “rebuilt” the above cities, and have substituted diversity for civility. and black culture for quality of life….

      • BackRowHeckler July 5, 2019 at 7:52 pm #

        East St Louis, Hartford, New Haven, Bridgeport, Chicago, the list goes on and on …

        Brh

      • trolleybill July 8, 2019 at 8:53 am #

        When these towns of Baltimore Detroit Camden and Oakland were founded and their were no Africans around except Baltimore and very few at that. Hey! What rebuilding?

  28. Janos Skorenzy July 5, 2019 at 3:41 pm #

    Patrick Henry:

    No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The question before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.

    Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.

    I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free– if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending–if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained–we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!

    They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

    It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace– but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

    JS: Words of Fire! We’re not voting our way out of this, friends. The Jefferson said in the Preamble (if memory serves), the “Crown” has set the savages on us.

  29. malthuss July 5, 2019 at 4:26 pm #

    Janos–

    A horde of Zombies is charging at you – the fast English kind, as in the movie 28 Days along with their Zombie Pit Bulls. One Black baby is at 3rd base and one White baby is at 1st You only have time to get one and get out of there in your car before the horde is upon you. Choose. Not to choose is to choose neither. I choose the White baby.

    Me–there is a film, Mother Earth is Black. The last fertile woman will save the human race.
    the racist Brits hate her. She is Black.

    Horrifying,

    imdb.com/title/tt0206634/

    • Janos Skorenzy July 6, 2019 at 12:19 am #

      What a delicious scenario you have come up with. Glad to hear that you would take the White baby.

      I saw Children of Men – a great movie for the visuals. It’s so wonderful to see Muslims behind wire and being deported. The Black Christ child thing was just a ridiculous distraction, at least for the discerning viewer even if the producer thought differently.

  30. JohnAZ July 5, 2019 at 5:56 pm #

    Capitalists are concerned about one thing, making a product that they can sell and make money.

    The US of the 1800s was a dichotomy. The north had very poor soils and so agriculture moved to the south. The north picked up the industrial revolution piece and became the manufacturing site. Both areas picked the cheapest form of “labor” to optimize profits.

    Agriculture in the south was stymied by slavery. Innovation which rapidly changed the north was not evident in the south. It was too easy to just acquire new labor sources. So the antebellum south emerged. Banks and industrialists held the capital of the north, slaves were the capital of the south. When the Civil War was lost, the south was financially decimated. The analogy would be if the capital was suddenly removed from Wall Street.

    Remember that 100000’s of Northern folks died to liberate the evil of slavery just as 100000’s of southerners died to preserve their capital base. Both sides had no choice but to fight for their cause.

    The real question should be how a society can become so calloused to the plight of fellow human beings that things like slavery can exist. Or Antifa, or violent protests, or globalists promoting human trafficking and drugs. We are entering a period of intolerance from all sides that is approaching pre Civil War levels.

    What can be done? The question of all human history.

    Probably nothing. It seems humans have something built into themselves that instills evil. Good versus evil the eternal conundrum.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 6, 2019 at 12:22 am #

      You answered the question before you asked it. Capitalism instills greed in the human heart and nothing else matter next to it. Yes, the tendency to evil is in the human heart already, but Capitalist culture waters and fertilizes these seeds most assiduously.

    • BornToKillPeace July 8, 2019 at 2:52 am #

      There is the issue of real distance and time. Each individual has to develop a peaceful relationship with it, from within and without, or not..

      Digital distance and time is a twisted pistol, discharging irregularly into a built up sludge of mental berry-twists things down side the brain.

      “After 45 years in politics, Man-8-Parsons retires from later day position as a Congressthey and will be finishing his memoir, “Lime-Berry-Styroform.” Look for this work on book sleeves everywhere, early 2078. “

      • BornToKillPeace July 8, 2019 at 2:56 am #

        * sleeve
        is the part of a garment that covers the arm, or through which the arm passes or slips. The pattern of the sleeve is one of the characteristics of fashion in dress, varying in every country and period.

        mistake, or abstract?

  31. Pucker July 5, 2019 at 6:39 pm #

    In regards to Liberalism/ Globalism, did Trump say “Space Force”, or “Spent Force”?

    • Exscotticus July 5, 2019 at 7:02 pm #

      Same thing, as any Space Force is likely to be spendy.

  32. Pucker July 5, 2019 at 7:06 pm #

    Have you ever noticed that whenever the “All Seeing Eye” ( “Eye of Rah”) is depicted that there’s just one eye? Doesn’t this create a depth-of-Perception problem? In other words, does God have a problem focusing? I read somewhere that in the Je…wish He..brew Religion that there is no “Heaven”? I mean: You gotta be shit’n me?! If there’s no Heaven, then what’s the Point? Doesn’t this show a Lack-of-Focus?

    • Pucker July 5, 2019 at 7:12 pm #

      I read somewhere that a huge number of kids in the US take drugs like “Riddlin” (Sp?) to help them to concentrate and to focus because many of them have grown up in single family homes with emotional issues and their brains have been bombed with TV and Internet which destroys their ability to concentrate more than 5 seconds. It’s like we’ve become a nation of emotional, brain-washed, one-eyed Cyclopes. Jesus…. Movie: “Island of the Cyclops”….

      • JohnAZ July 5, 2019 at 7:19 pm #

        Ritalin

        You have discovered one of the main causes of the downturn in intelligence amongst our young people.

        Makes them very easy to propagandize.

        Plus the entertainment they do have is garbage.

        To the Boomers, their retirement plans hinge on winning the lottery.

        To the millennials, their answer is Marvel comics. Captain America is going to save us.

      • malthuss July 5, 2019 at 8:51 pm #

        GMO S
        FLUORIDE
        SUGAR

        and yes, TV and gaming.

    • Pucker July 5, 2019 at 7:22 pm #

      David Livingstone was an ostensibly teetotaling, devout Christian missionary wandering around Africa. At some point, he became fond of beer, brandy, and banging local girls. Either Livingstone lost his Focus, or he acquired Perception and Focus? I’m confused….

      What does it all mean?!

      • malthuss July 5, 2019 at 7:47 pm #

        missionary, not a race realist.

  33. RocketDoc July 5, 2019 at 7:25 pm #

    I appreciate the retrospective. While waiting for the past to return, my wife and I made a trip to green and succulent England to bike in the little lanes and towns of Sussex and Kent and found it beautifully prepared for the future. It’s my suburban climax community I find at risk when the plug is pulled on war machinations and the profusion of computer security contracts. Can’t do enough these days to keep America safe it seems. It’s strange when the only jobs that actually pay a living wage are unreal jobs that provide nothing useful for daily life.

    • JohnAZ July 5, 2019 at 7:39 pm #

      Yup!

      Europe’s capitalism is different. The are small business oriented, like Main Street used to be here. Visit Rome, London or Paris and you will find cities where the store front business is still thriving.

      The US with its suburbs is unique. Investigate the causes of flights from the cities in the 50’s and 60’s to catch the causes of said uniqueness. Big box emphasis is part of it.

  34. JohnAZ July 5, 2019 at 7:33 pm #

    A mind-blower is pending.

    A merger potentially of God and human science.

    Physicists are announcing the investigation of Mirror Universes, universes that lie parallel to ours and are direct reflections of ours to the sub-atomic level.

    When I have read descriptions of Jesus’ transfiguration and ascension multi dimension travel sounds possible.

    Mirror universes are incorporated in Star Trek and Star Wars.

    This may be interesting. Stay tuned.

    Google mirror universes.

  35. Pucker July 5, 2019 at 7:46 pm #

    Can someone please give us an appropriate, heartfelt eulogy for the death of Truth and Journalism? A Poem will suffice….

    Thank you

    • Walter B July 5, 2019 at 10:55 pm #

      How about a headstone that reads…..

      “Here lies what is black and white and red all over. Yes red, not read, for these worthless, deceptive rags are stained with the blood of the millions of unsuspecting human beings that were not only led astray by the lies and deceptions contained within, but who were systematically sold out for profit and whose blood these worthless rags now carry into eternity.”

    • Nightowl July 6, 2019 at 4:11 pm #

      There once was a man named Zucker

      The craftiest of crafty fat fuc**rs

      He lied to the world

      Cast swine before pearls

      And all that remains now is Tucker

  36. Pucker July 5, 2019 at 8:14 pm #

    I wonder Who or What will be the Spark that Lights the Fuse?

    Fourth of July: I once used a long stick of cheap insense (“punk”) to create a slow fuse for a long string of firecrackers that I then lit and placed outside the window of my History class in high school. Towards the end of the class after 50 minutes, it went off setting off a several minute long, rapid fire burst of machine gun fire. There was an internal Gestapo investigation, but they never found who of “The Underground” did it. I wish that I had one of those Chinese planned economy 3 foot diameter wide Chinese bandaleras of firecrackers with the giant stick of dynamite at the very end. I lit one of those in a small town in China once early one morning. It took me several minutes to ignite it with a cheap disposable lighter. It lit up the whole town with a profusion of Smoke and explosions. Firecrackers bursting would hurt other firecrackers clear several yards which would then explode, like cluster bombs with red paper shrapnel. After about 5 minutes and after last firecracker exploded, there was about 10 seconds of silent calm before the last “firecracker”, which was a stick of dynamite, blew up. The locals were really pissed off, but I just played the naive foreigner, so I was not penalized.

    • Pucker July 5, 2019 at 8:33 pm #

      Probably Putin? “Putin” in Russian probably means “He Who Lights the Fuse”?

  37. malthuss July 5, 2019 at 8:49 pm #

    BEANS gang wins again,

    Penguin announced this week that in response to claims of ‘antisemitism’ it has stopped printing Col. Pedro Baños’ best selling book, “How They Rule the World.”

    The scandal erupted when it was revealed that passages in the original Spanish edition of the book related to the Rothschild dynasty were omitted from the Pengu

  38. malthuss July 5, 2019 at 8:52 pm #

    I am going out on a limb and posting this, any thoughts?

    Communism
    200? Million killed
    Holomodor
    Lowering quality of life in commie countries
    Destroying western civilization

    Israel
    Funding Israel
    Paying reparations–even France pays
    Right of return to spain
    DUAL CITIZENSHIP

    Civil war–judea benjamin
    Ww1 and 2
    Neo cons
    9 11

    Federal reserve
    Stirring up blacks
    That plaque on the statue–emma lazarus
    The media and Hollywood
    Activist judges and lawyers and politicians
    Femi nazi ism

    Rothschild’s
    soros
    billionaires

    freud
    his relative ed bernais
    Psychiatry
    the worship of einstein and ann frank and sigmund

    holocaust and laws protecting it
    noahide laws
    anti semitism

    fighting against free speech and gun rights–32
    zionism
    gods chosen –that lie
    anthropology –boaz
    blood rituals
    crime–1890-1940 jews had huge organized crime spree. then they moved into upper class
    the sacklers–half a million dead each decade
    allen ginsburg and nambla

    control thru banking system beyond fed reserve
    nepotism
    huge into slavery–in usa etc

    • FincaInTheMountains July 5, 2019 at 9:21 pm #

      Rothschild’s?
      soros??
      billionaires???

      freud???
      holocaust and laws protecting it????
      noahide laws????
      anti semitism????
      Psychiatry??????

      Psychiatry!! Psychiatry!!! Psychiatry!!!!

      but then the orderlies arrived and fixed us to the bed’s handles

      V. Visotsky A letter from the nuthouse.

      youtube.com/watch?v=Nmy0HGq0iSY&t=40

      • malthuss July 6, 2019 at 12:25 am #

        Thanks but Freud has been exposed as a fraud.

        A hypnotist who never studied children but had a lot of bogus ‘theories.’

    • Tate July 5, 2019 at 9:50 pm #

      Yeah, put the dots together.

      • malthuss July 6, 2019 at 12:26 am #

        feel free to add to list or dispute any of it.

        penguin stopped publication of a book. See Unz.

  39. Pucker July 5, 2019 at 8:54 pm #

    Didn’t Rachel Maddow’s Transgender mom try to abort her as a baby, but then Hillary’s Coven of witches then drugged her with some herbal potion and then spirited the mother away to a room in the basement of John Podesta’s house where she had the baby on an alter surrounded by candles and photographs on the walls of pedophila scenes?

    • Pucker July 5, 2019 at 9:06 pm #

      Mr. Rogers Neighborhood in Bethesda….

    • FincaInTheMountains July 5, 2019 at 9:10 pm #

      Birth of Rachel Maddow:

      youtube.com/watch?v=NeQM1c-XCDc&t=300

      Or is it a K-Dog?

      • K-Dog July 6, 2019 at 1:17 am #

        Or is that some good metal.

        Durst her phoniness but if you equate me with that talent in any way:

        Schönen Dank

        Willst du bis zum Tod, der scheide
        sie lieben auch in schlechten Tagen

        • Nightowl July 6, 2019 at 4:29 pm #

          Nochmal, aber dieses mal auf Deutsch bitte.

          MfG,

          Nachteule

      • K-Dog July 6, 2019 at 1:22 am #

        Ich Will

    • malthuss July 6, 2019 at 12:28 am #

      Not sure what you are trying to prove.

      One email to Podesta was about ‘the 3 pre teens are in the hot tub, for yr entertainment.’

      Another was ‘I need a pizza FOR AN HOUR’–Clearly code, and not for drugs bc you dont need a drug for an hour.
      If you need a massage for an hour, you dont code it.

  40. Pucker July 5, 2019 at 9:10 pm #

    Actually, we drove through Chappaqua, New York where the Clinton’s live on the drive up to West Point US Military Academy. Chappaqua has a weird, creepy vibe….

    • Pucker July 5, 2019 at 9:18 pm #

      I think that George Soros also lives in some big secluded, reclusive mansion in Upstate New York? I think that the gate to Soros’s castle has gargoyles on it? No Shit…..

      • FincaInTheMountains July 5, 2019 at 9:32 pm #

        I truly hope America still have enough sane people to guard the nuclear codes.

        • Pucker July 5, 2019 at 9:44 pm #

          I read somewhere that the Nuclear Launch Code contained in the bag called “The Football” carried around with US President George W. Bush, Jr. was literally 12 zero’s. No Shit….. If the Nuclear Launch Code is 12 Zero’s, then why-the-fuck do they need to carry it around in a locked bag under Secret Service guard called “The Football”?

          What a bunch of Weirdo’s….

      • Tate July 5, 2019 at 10:34 pm #

        “Fidelio” is the password to get in.

        • Nightowl July 6, 2019 at 12:23 pm #

          That is only the password for the house …

  41. Pucker July 5, 2019 at 9:53 pm #

    Hillary says that she “likes to take long walks in the woods.”

    Yeah…all witches do….

    Convenient excuse to account for time spent at coven gatherings….

    • Nightowl July 6, 2019 at 4:33 pm #

      I’ve always loved that line. Her PR team once made up a story that a random nobody was out hiking and happend to catch her on one of her long walks. They circulated a photo. It was hilarious.

  42. Pucker July 5, 2019 at 10:10 pm #

    The candidate who is really crazy is US Naval Intelligence Officer, Pete Buttigieg. Pete is a Homosexual who dresses like a horny, pimply teenage virgin Mormon missionary, and no one seems to notice. The Corporate Deep State is throwing tons of money at Pete’s campaign. Research shows that the greatest predictor of which candidate will win the US Presidential nomination is financing.

    They carefully administered the chemicals and electricity to Pete’s brain so as to preserve and to even augment his IQ and linguistic abilities while destroying is Independent Free Will. One side effect of the MK Ultra “Therapy” and “Conditioning” was that Pete became a Homosexual. In the photo of Pete’s marriage to Chaz, Pete is obviously manifesting a regressed, childlike, euphoric, carefree personality in contrast to his relatively dark, pensive side.

    • Tate July 5, 2019 at 10:39 pm #

      I don’t know if anyone else has noticed this, but Buttigeieg talks in the same intonation patterns as Obama. Tell me that hasn’t been consciously practiced.

      • malthuss July 6, 2019 at 12:30 am #

        some say he fakes, deepens his voice.
        That gal at the fake bio company did the same, Liz Holmes of Theranos.

      • mike d July 6, 2019 at 4:55 am #

        Yes, it is called Neuro Linguistic Programming. NLP. Obama was most definitely a trained practitioner. Buttigiig probably is too.

        • Tate July 6, 2019 at 1:43 pm #

          The fellow, Erickson, who started it. Others tried distilling & systematizing his methods. It comes down to hypnotic techniques to forge agreement.

          You can resist it easily if you can identify it.

          • mike d July 6, 2019 at 4:04 pm #

            Yes, that’s why I never felt a tingling feeling in my legs when Obama spoke like Chris Matthews did.

            The altered states that Obama’s speeches put so many people in was truly appalling. Especially during the 2008 campaign.

  43. Pucker July 5, 2019 at 10:48 pm #

    David Livingstone

    David Livingstone’s dad deliberately expunged the letter “e” from the family name changing it to “Livingston” because in traditional Gallic Scottish lore a “Living Stone” was a strong talisman in Witchcraft. David Livingstone restored the “e” to the family name. Hillary would know more about this.

    Like the Chinese, the African shamans probably attached great significance to names and the power of words?

    Martin Dugard
    Into Africa: The Epic Adventures of Stanley and Livingstone

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=vsBak0oCgdY

    • GreenAlba July 7, 2019 at 11:09 am #

      ‘…traditional Gallic Scottish lore…”

      That would be Gaelic, unless you’re talking about some kind of Auld Alliance Franco-Scottish thing…

  44. malthuss July 6, 2019 at 12:31 am #

    I WENT TO THIS FOOLS TALK, about 20-25 years ago.

    Ms. Williamson embarked on her own self-education. She learned the techniques of Transcendental Meditation. She read books by Ram Dass and Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh. She moved to the New Mexico desert to live in a geodesic dome on a commune.

    In time, Ms. Williamson drifted to New York City, where she sang cabaret in the Village and held temp jobs on the side. It was here, at an Upper West Side house party, that Ms. Williamson happened upon a copy of the Course.

    She remembers inspecting the surprisingly heavy book. The New Testament-style language was peculiar, especially for someone raised in a Jewish family, and the prose was cryptic.

    • malthuss July 6, 2019 at 12:32 am #

      DRIFTER TURNED ACTRESS.
      Then new age speaker.
      Now–dig her– Politician.

      • Janos Skorenzy July 6, 2019 at 3:03 am #

        Dig me no grave. I’ll not need one. And don’t worry about her – she’s not going to “win”. We’ve posted some angels around the White House to make sure of that.

  45. Pucker July 6, 2019 at 12:40 am #

    Alexander the Great’s mom slept with poisonous snakes. Alexander’s dad, Philip of Macedon, couldn’t handle it so he and Alexander’s mom slept in different beds. The whole “Snake Thang” freaked Philip out…. White Women are into Witchcraft, Big Time….

  46. KL Cooke July 6, 2019 at 1:36 am #

    You might want to take a look at Robert Scheer’s latest piece on Truthdig, regarding homelessness in California. According to Scheer, the homeless problem is the fault of white people living in single family homes. Presumably, these should be replaced by Soviet style block housing.

    • K-Dog July 6, 2019 at 1:47 am #

      LA made a concerted effort to move affordable housing from the downtown area years ago. Part of what you are seeing is the result of that urban planning.

    • eagle71 July 6, 2019 at 2:16 am #

      I was on my way to check out Scheer’s article when I got sidetracked by an article about covering up some murals showing slaves at George Washington’s place at Mount Vernon. Down around paragraph 10 they mention the school, and sure enough it’s my alma mater.

      I’m a lurker but I wanted to say briefly that this news triggers me, and as a San Franciscan, I prefer to stay cool and untriggered. I’ve been expecting those WPA sponsored, ergo lefty frescos to come down for 40 years. But they’ve managed to slip through, time after time.

      Okay, I’m over it. I moved out of town 15 years ago, best move of my life.

    • Tate July 6, 2019 at 2:09 pm #

      What this Tommy Newman, an official with L.A. United Way, is talking about is the NIMBY phenomenon — Not in My Backyard. IOW, single family home dwellers don’t want multi-family dwellings, ESPECIALLY designed for the homeless, built nearby. He blames it entirely on “white people” who support multi-family (presumably still less support if designed for the homeless) to the tune of 40%. POCs support it to by 60%. So that 20% gap in support makes it “white people”’s fault apparently.

      But who can blame them? In our current state of Anarcho-Tyranny, where you have different rules for different classes of people according to race, gender, ethnicity, disability, sexual orientation & so forth, the only protection for people to avoid those who are accorded special status under the law during less-than-civil public encounters is Distance. If we all had to live by the same rules, this wouldn’t be so much of an issue.

    • malthuss July 6, 2019 at 4:45 pm #

      He is mentioned in one of Coulters books, if I recalal.
      He went to North Korea? I cant remember.
      His parents are from russia (((hint).

  47. Janos Skorenzy July 6, 2019 at 3:55 am #

    One high Los Angles School Administrator to his underlings: Make the best use of the remaining White students that you can. In other words, fulfill the busing mandate that was acted into Law. Nothing else mattered. Not the students, their comfort, time or safety and certainly not their education. Just the mandate to bus them all over Los Angeles County.

    If you want to understand the psychology here, read C.S Lewis’ “Screwtape Letters” or Kafka’s “The Trial”. Or any post by Green Alba.
    Kamala said something about bringing bussing back. Where they gonna get the White kids though? They’re gonna really have to cross country and CLASS lines this time. Or maybe they’ll start flying them in from Eastern or Northern California or even Nevada. They’ll call it “flying” not bussing.

    • BackRowHeckler July 6, 2019 at 7:00 am #

      Not many white students left in most districts. In order to get some sort of ‘balance’ would have to begin busing in students from Russia, eastern Europe, and the few areas in Sweden where whites are still a majority. Its gonna make for a long commute.

      Rest assured, the big lefties on top, their own kids WILL NOT be bussed, but will be safely ensconsed in private schools, like the one down the street here.

      Brh

    • benr July 6, 2019 at 1:29 pm #

      My tenth grade year I went to school in Van Nyes which had a large amount of black kids bussed in from the ghettos of Inner city Los Angeles needless to say most of them did not want to be there and they caused huge problems across the school.
      Gangs, drug sales and lots of fights.
      Why because for the most part they disliked whites, had no interest in learning and were forced to be there.
      They had an utterly alien culture to the local kids and being the only surfer at that school I stuck out like a sore thumb.
      Stoners, punkers, heshers and bangers all fought each other and I got to fight all of them.
      Towards the end of the school year the gangbangers where sneaking knives onto campus and this was in the early eighties I doubt much learning is going on there now because it has to be far far worse.
      Forced bussing is wrong integration just for the sake of it is wrong being bussed to a better school should be a privilege one works hard for much like busting your ass to get good grades to go to a better college and to get a better job.

      • Janos Skorenzy July 6, 2019 at 2:14 pm #

        Soon after a “magnet” or “charter” school is created, Blacks notice that there are few or no Blacks there. They complain vociferously. Whites in Power are officially aghast at the disparity. The School Officials crawl and beg. Blacks are brought in and the process of destruction begin anew.

        They are Savages by Nature, the lowest of the major races. It’s cultural because it’s genetic first. Until you realize this, you remain the Near Enemy of Real Americans.

        • Tate July 6, 2019 at 2:29 pm #

          It’s impossible to separate the culture from the genes. But if one could do it — and it has been done indirectly through many studies — it would show that the underlying genetic endowment plays the larger role. These studies & those who have conducted them are so anathematized by the ruling elites that the average person believes nothing other than what the ruling elites want them to believe: Radical Egalitarianism.

      • Tate July 6, 2019 at 2:20 pm #

        I visited Van Nuys once, back in the late 60s. Me & a buddy were walking to the C-store on the corner. We passed a couple having a knock-down drag-out fight in their front yard. They noticed us standing there watching them, probably with our mouths hanging open. They started laughing uproariously, turned & went inside.

      • Q. Shtik July 6, 2019 at 4:24 pm #

        Van Nyes which had a large amount of black kids – benr

        ============

        Google amount vs number

      • elysianfield July 6, 2019 at 6:51 pm #

        “… I doubt much learning is going on”

        benr,
        On the contrary, you seemed to have gotten one hell of an education…one that will stick with you..

        • malthuss July 6, 2019 at 7:08 pm #

          FUNNY

        • benr July 7, 2019 at 7:37 pm #

          AMOUNT served a dual purpose.

          I put amount for a reason $$$$ is what that bussing project was about.

  48. tucsonspur July 6, 2019 at 6:09 am #

    “The Fourth of July parade up in Salem was mostly a parade of motor vehicles…..”

    The Dinocars are still guzzling at the Black Lagoon, drinking it down to the last teaspoon.

    • Skylark July 6, 2019 at 12:04 pm #

      Wow, good thing they had the “cash for clunkers” program some years back, getting gas wasting vehicles off the road, like big pickups. Funny, I still see big pickups everywhere, many with people that probably never need to haul squat (BTW, what is “squat” anyways?) What a racket.

      • Walter B July 6, 2019 at 1:49 pm #

        And on the East Coast we have mega fleets of behemoth SUV’s and land yachts so massive that the manufacturers name them Sequoia, Land Cruiser, and Megalodon. (I made the last one up, I couldn’t help myself). Apparently gas prices, just like interest rates can no longer go up but will remain low forever! The sad part is that where I live the people inside these arks all seem to be expanding to fit the allowable space inside their barges! Go figure.

  49. EvelynV July 6, 2019 at 12:00 pm #

    Making America Grovel Again

    Nice going Trump you POS POTUS!

    truthdig.com/articles/trump-has-blatantly-failed-to-reverse-americas-decline/

    • James Hansen July 6, 2019 at 12:52 pm #

      I do not know why Conservatives are so loyal to their politicians, I myself do not care about any of them. If they do what I consider good, I will praise and support them, that hardly ever happens.

      Trumps biggest sin is colluding with Israel and placing their agenda over what is good for the U.S. By mindlessly supporting Israel he is hastening our loss of our reserve currency

      informationclearinghouse.info/51877.htm

      • Sean Coleman July 6, 2019 at 7:14 pm #

        James Hansen, I think it was you who was arguing with me about Cardinal George Pell’s travesty of a trial in Australia. This is the best summary I have come across of the case: youtube.com/watch?v=4NGajE_LsDc&t=857s

        It seems that the female Australian journalist (the one you were relying on for your information, as I recall) who wrote that book about him beforehand got everything wrong and did not even bother turning up at court until the last day. Perhaps even she could not stomach the foolishness of the charges.

        Just to clarify, did you (a) actually read her book, (b) read extracts of it online or in the press or (c) read or listen to commentary based on the book but without having read any of it yourself? My money is on (c).

    • BackRowHeckler July 6, 2019 at 2:51 pm #

      Not to worry, Evelyn,

      In 18 months it’ll most likely be ‘President Harris’, and all will be right with the world.

      I’m curious about the new ‘Feminist Foreign Policy’ that will be persued, similar to what Sweden has. I’m sure Putin and Xi will be impressed.

      Brh

      • James Hansen July 6, 2019 at 3:40 pm #

        Harris is an Israeli Firster so she will be doing what they tell her to.

      • GreenAlba July 7, 2019 at 8:31 am #

        Perhaps it will be like that of Maggie Thatcher, brh. Or Boudica.

  50. volodya July 6, 2019 at 12:29 pm #

    This is an interesting snap-shot of scenery that would have sounded inconceivable at the high-tide of the community. It’s a story of abandonment, starting economically, probably with a trickle of businesses either shutting down or moving elsewhere and then turning into a torrent, all of which turned the place into a shell as people left, no longer having an economic basis to support themselves.

    It happened in other places at other times, one of the biggies during the century that followed the discovery of the sea route around Africa to India. It turned Venice, once the richest and most powerful state in Europe, into a museum piece. Shit happens.

    The thing is that shit keeps happening, a lot of what sounds inconceivable is inconceivable and improbable until it happens, especially to people that figure they have nothing to fear, that figure they’ve got things all figured out, until a load of shit drops down on them. You know who I’m talking about, the folk that look down on places like Salem, and you know who they are as you read the same stuff as I do, trumpeting that such places have no reason to exist, that the only people that live there are tattooed cretins and racists and addicts.

    Maybe these self-admiring triumphalists shouldn’t talk too loud. For one thing, history shows us that those whom the gods would destroy they first make proud. And the triumphalists are so very proud. But never mind the gods, the dynamic that ruined the interior of the country was based on an economic model that had demolition charges built into it from the start, and not only that, but was based on preconceptions about foreign peoples and age-old cultures, that had no basis in reality. A lot of it was larded with the idea that what applies to the USA applies everywhere, that the values that Americans hold dear are held to be self-evident by all peoples.

    As the adventures in the Middle East showed, maybe not so much, other people have got their own agendas, their own histories and ways of doing things. Same with China, they took greed-head American capitalists to the cleaners, turning that voracious greed to China’s economic and geopolitical advantage.

    The point is that those people that laugh at those fly-over ignoramuses in places like Salem ought to take conditions there as possibly a sign of things to come for themselves. You see the numbers, you see with your own eyeballs the situation of things in what are supposedly the richest places on earth and in all of history. They say that one in ten kids in the New York City school system was homeless in the past year. Tell me again that this symptomatic of an economic system that works. I say it’s symptomatic of an economic system that doesn’t.

    • K-Dog July 6, 2019 at 1:43 pm #

      volodya, it was a pleasure to read this.

    • SoftStarLight July 6, 2019 at 4:47 pm #

      So does this mean that you are questioning Capitalism itself or just the way the economy is organized?

      • volodya July 7, 2019 at 3:06 pm #

        “Capitalism” as it’s set out in economics texts doesn’t exist. That said, some aspects of it DO exist. But I’m not so much questioning capitalism as I’m questioning policies enacted by successive American and other western governments at the urging and behest of a handful of inordinately wealthy people who figured they weren’t wealthy enough.

        Another way of saying it is the way YOU said it. I’m questioning, in the end, the way the global economy is organized.

        A capitalist economy run by people with just a modicum of self-control and a tetch of foresight and a wee jot of concern for the sustainability of the system that sustains everybody, including the shot-callers, may not be a bad thing. In fact, the system as run in the thirty years following the second world war, while not perfect, while having obvious holes in it as far as exorbitant energy use and other flaws, was pretty good for a huge swathe of people in the USA and many other places because the shot-callers were doing some of what I was saying about self-control and foresight etc, most of which are now seldom seen.

  51. Sean Coleman July 6, 2019 at 12:42 pm #

    If I were to visit America it would be to some place like Salem. The problem would be getting there. I don’t have the slightest interest in NY, LA or any of the other cities, or Hollywood or the Grand Canyon, or Death Valley or New England in the autumn.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 6, 2019 at 2:19 pm #

      I want your head on Mt Rushmore and as a bobble on my car mirror.

      The new Amazon Synod is outright Apostasy. More and more Kathy Catholics are waking up. But you will be the last. And he who is last will be first it has been said.

      • Tate July 6, 2019 at 2:34 pm #

        What’s a Kathy catholic?

        • Janos Skorenzy July 6, 2019 at 2:47 pm #

          A Novus Ordoite, complete with sacharine smile. A Zombie in other words.

          • K-Dog July 6, 2019 at 3:30 pm #

            But the cookies are good.

      • Sean Coleman July 6, 2019 at 7:32 pm #

        Janos, you think I should wake up? You have some intelligence so try to apply it and stop jumping around from one thing to another. AGM is an example of a collective fantasy and like all such fantasies it is really a media creation. But as you can see from my Dutch example government and the rest are caught up in it and corrupted by it. But it is the media which drives it and which ultimately calls the shots.

        A common misconception is that the media are the tools of powerful corporate interests, or that they are driven by greed (‘follow the money’) but this misses the point entirely. For example, Colin Flaherty once spoke about a local newspapers which was losing money and readers because of its pc idiocy A consortium bought it and wnated to turn it around. What did the journalists do? They ‘doubled down’ (to use Flaherty’s term) on the progressive nonsense and things got even worse.

        It is on such people you are relying for your information about the Church scandals.

        Here are the media in all their glory getting EVERY single thing wrong in the Joe Paterno scandal: youtube.com/watch?v=D3z-3CBfM8Q&list=PLroWPePriqFv3P8Nw_e6lvcxgyQyp93u2&index=3&t=0s

        If you pay attention you will see the same pattern everywhere. That is what is meant by collective fantasies in the modern world.

  52. messianicdruid July 6, 2019 at 1:11 pm #

    Some Americans seem to worship their own ancient ruins, while others assume we can keep running from them.

    The self-made adventures from here on out will need to be less fantasy and more reality.

    • volodya July 6, 2019 at 3:16 pm #

      Messianic Druid, you see countries that are all about ancient glories, their people making a living off of them, catering to open-mouthed foreign tourists, with Greeks banging on about Alexander the Great and the Age of Pericles and Italians going on about the majesty of ancient Rome and the triumphs of the Renaissance.

      But do we learn from history? No, we don’t, not least because history is seen to be the preserve of dusty old perfessers and because history is seen to be boring and irrelevant.

      But you can’t run away from history. And, while you can’t run away from history, you also can’t let it become a dreamland to avoid the realities of where you’re at now, and what goes on under your nose now. So, as you so aptly put it, less fantasy, more reality.

      • K-Dog July 6, 2019 at 3:34 pm #

        But you can’t run away from history.

        Than why are people having very successful careers doing exactly that?

        The British are coming and they are landing at an airport near you.

        • volodya July 6, 2019 at 3:39 pm #

          Occasionally the dog catches the car.

        • Majella July 7, 2019 at 7:06 pm #

          Trump’s ‘history lesson’ was wonderful entertainment!

          It appeared he hadn’t even pre-read it (being such a stable genius, why would he?), and that level of preparedness is emblematic of his every move…stumbling like a drunk in the dark, knocking over the furniture and stNachteuleadning on the cat’s tail.

          • Majella July 7, 2019 at 7:07 pm #

            “Nachteulead” …no idea where that came from

          • Nightowl July 8, 2019 at 7:57 am #

            I do. 🙂

            MfG,

            Nachteule

  53. Sean Coleman July 6, 2019 at 1:11 pm #

    Global warming. I came across a very interesting video on the Dutch language Cafe Weltschmerz recently: Het raadsel van de verdwenen hittegolven with Marcel Crok, a science journalist. youtube.com/watch?v=S2Bm2HD0NRk&t=1780s There is an English language version of the report by Crok and his team.

    It is subtitled in English and a superb example of what is happening, not only with global warming but everything.

    The Dutch press reported last year (or so) that there is an increase in heatwaves in recent years. This was because the KNMI (I assume it means the Royal Dutch Meteorological Institute) had in 2016 statistically ‘homogenized’ the temperature records at the De Bild station, which is the one on which heatwaves (5 consecutive days with maxs. over 23 degrees centigrade, I think, with three of them over 25). The reason for this was that they had replaced the equipment at de Bild in 1950-1 by replacing the old ‘pagoda’ hut by a more modern one.

    As a result of this statistical adjustment the number of heat waves in the 50 years to 1951 was reduced from 23 to 7! Before this there had been more heat waves before 1951 than in the (longer) period since but that was not reversed.

    Crok put together a team of volunteer scientists to try to replicate the KNMI’s results. This reminds me of McIntyre and McKitrick’s famous attempts to replicate Mann’s infamous ‘hockey stick’ study – if readers are unfamiliar with this then they don’t have a clue what the global warming fantasy is aboutt.

    The video and the report go over the many questionable aspects to what happened. For example:
    Why did they not measure the same site side-by-side for a period which is the normal procedure? They did not do this at De Bild. But a photograph was found with the two huts there side by side. Oh, the date isn’t to hand. Will the release the data? Er, well, we have been busy.

    Why was the homogenization based on the measurements at one particular site, which had earlier been deemed unsuitable for such comparisons, rather than other stations, which would have yielded much smaller adjustments, if any at all. By the way, the biggest changes to the original record as a result of the KNMI’s exercise was the drastic reduction of temperature values over 23 degrees C: they were reduced on average by 1.7 degrees C!

    I won’t go into the other problems, but there are a lot of them. If you take the time to study it you will be rewarded. It mirrors much of what goes on everywhere else. Crok is careful not to ascribe deliberate deceit to the KNMI: this is also the attitude of a sceptical investigator o f the mad Tuam babies story, Brian Nugent, to the official Irish govt. investigation (I was reading about it again the other day). Such comparisons throw light onto the psychology.

    I understand that similar sleights of hand are taking place on an international scale with temperature measurements but I don’t have a handle on that yet. (I am talking about the official science here rather than the media misreporting of it, which is frankly insane.)

    • K-Dog July 6, 2019 at 1:27 pm #

      Nice to follow the conversation in subtitles. The facts speak for themselves without the seduction of native speech.

      Rico, would have a heart as pure as driven snow. Something else uncommon. Except for one thing. Rico has to know that just putting the data out there for anybody to interpret and defend would solve the problem. Even amateur number crunchers will find deception if it is there. But that is not what Rico wants. Rico wants his ‘correct’ interpretation pushed but makes a big deal of just wanting the right one. If you want what is correct demand truth and transparency not just the ‘right’ interpretation.

      • K-Dog July 6, 2019 at 1:27 pm #

        Doing the right thing does not require a thermometer.

        • Janos Skorenzy July 6, 2019 at 2:20 pm #

          You don’t have to be a Weatherman to know which way the Wind is Blowing. The Wind is from the Corporate “Left” so that is reality, right?

          • K-Dog July 6, 2019 at 3:23 pm #

            No, I think you do actually have to be a Weatherman to know which way the Wind is Blowing. Other people may not have to be, that is true. But you, you do.

          • Janos Skorenzy July 6, 2019 at 4:03 pm #

            Right is Left and Left is Right, left?

            In your heart you have said, Evil be my Good and Good be my Evil.

      • Sean Coleman July 6, 2019 at 7:17 pm #

        Sorry K-Dog, I haven’t a clue what you are trying to say. For starters, who is ‘Rico’?

        • K-Dog July 7, 2019 at 4:43 pm #

          He is the guy being interviewed.

          • Sean Coleman July 7, 2019 at 6:03 pm #

            You are right. I just checked, but he is the man asking the questions. I am still not sure what point you are making. My own view is that the behaviour of the Dutch scientists and their government is highly questionable. It looks like that decide nearly seventy years after the event (the change of equipment in 1950-1) to find an excuse to abolish 16 out of 23 heatwaves in the first half of the century and revise temperatures downwards so as to make it look like the weather is getting warmer now.

            Michael Mann’s infamous work (he too, among other things, was most reluctant to release his programmes) supplied exactly what the IPCC were looking for: the abolition of the Medieval Warm Period and the prospect of sharply rising termperatures (the hockey stick – and it did not happen). For this he was plucked out of well deserved obscurity. As an elderly Canadian geographer quipped, instead of Penn State he should be in the State Pen. He took him to court. That’s another thing about them: no sense of humour.

  54. FincaInTheMountains July 6, 2019 at 2:10 pm #

    Losharik, Pope and the Fourth World War

    I really didn’t want to write about Losharik and the 14 dead Russian sailors on the day of their funeral, but unfortunately what happened is such a major event that I can’t look at any other problem without recalling Losharik and the impact that this event will have on this particular problem. And the problems on which Losharik will not have an impact probably will not remain at all.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_submarine_Losharik

    First of all, what strikes my imagination is the paucity and stupidity of the lies that Trump and Putin are trying to cover it up with. I immediately got the impression that they were simply trying to play for time, when the truth would somehow come out, but in the meantime they were trying frantically to at least somehow build protection against the inevitable flood, when this would happen.

    From the Russian side, I am astounded by their stupidity at the hints that 7 captains of the first rank served on Losharik permanently, while the fire occurred in the battery compartment – and what about the batteries, were they also served the captain of the first rank? Or did they give this title to the electrician on Losharik out of respect of the mission of this boat?

    Captain of the first rank, this is the commander of the ship, who without any Losharik can by pushing the button destroy half of the United States!

    And when the captain of the first rank translated into the Army rank, this title turns into a lieutenant general at least!

    My relative received a captain of the first rank for the fact that in August-September of 1941 he ensured the successful arrival of transports from England, which brought the first Studebakers, which became the chassis of the first full-scale multiple rocket-launchers Katyusha, which combat use played a significant role in the fact that the Germans did not enter Moscow.

    You do not need to be a mix of Einstein and Sherlock Holmes in order to understand that all these officers gathered on Losharik to report to Putin on the successful completion of tests of some kind of super-weapon developed by the only one evacuated civilian.

    Presumably it was Poseidon, although I personally think that the notorious Poseidon is a cover for what they tested on July 1. By the way, according to the charter of the submarine, no one is evacuated, and in which case each compartment battens down the hatches and fights for the survival independently.

    So you understand what kind of civilian it was, and the fact that they told about it all the same tells that we will still find out about what really happened, and also what actually happened to the submarine Kursk.

    The latter repeatedly showed on the Trump supporters forums when, after it became known that Vice President Pence’s plane was turned around and forced to land in Washington, they were in the process of realizing that Trump is alive and something related to the disaster on Losharik.

    I’ll say right away that nobody officially communicated Losharik’s connection with Pence’s return, but I personally categorically refuse to believe in such coincidences, and in this I completely agree with Trump’s supporters, which I’m sure came to such conclusions completely independently, without any help from hackers from Russia.

    I, frankly, then thought that everything is PIZDETS, and realized that it seemed to have passed us by, only when I saw Tucker Carlson – a journalist who traveled to Korea with Trump, and before that they say he dissuaded bombing Iran – the last was a show, of course, from the same series as Trump’s daughter Ivanka, who convinced him to bomb Syria, but as they say in Odessa, there is a joke in every joke.

    And yesterday Trump had to lie in response to a question about returning the Pence’s plane, that this happened in connection with the situation in New Hampshire, where he was flying with a penny on board, but Trump actually cannot lie convincingly, and apparently he told the truth when promised that in a few weeks we will learn everything.

    That confirms my hypothesis that the decision to tell about what happened has already been made and agreed on both sides of the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans.

    In the meantime, I want to remind you that Trump’s American supporters, after they realized that Trump was alive, made their brains to search for an alternative reason for the state of emergency, that Putin, following Pence (and Angela Merkel?), canceled all the planned events.

    Nevertheless, on July 5, Putin flew to meet with the Pope for the meeting announced on June 2, and Trump confirmed his determination to hold a military parade in Washington the morning after the events described above, and held it on July 4, despite the desperate cries of Hillary Clinton’s supporters, that the US Army on the streets of Washington is a direct threat to democracy throughout the world, and not only in the United States, comparable only to an alien invasion.

    And I have no doubt that they decided to hold these events in spite of everything on the night from July 2 to 3 in order to calm public opinion in that critical period of time when the truth about what happened can lead to undesirable consequences, such as serious civil conflicts in Russia and the United States, which in turn can provoke anything, including nuclear war, which is much closer to us than during the Caribbean Missile Crisis.

    And if for Trump these considerations were basic, then for Putin the visit to the Pope was very relevant to the problem of Losharik.

    Indeed, Pope Francis stands out among the Roman Popes not only by his Latin American origin, but also by the fact that immediately after taking office, he published the so-called Manifesto, which was immediately compared with the “Communist Manifesto” of Marx and Engels, and in 2016 Bernie Sanders immediately after the primaries in New York, in which Hillary Clinton for the first time demonstrated the power of her voting results falsification machine, flew to him to Rome, where it was just then that the Catholic Easter was celebrated.

    That is, the participation of the Pope in the World War of the Roses is not in doubt, and if we recall that Putin finally decided to postpone doubling of Russian GDP and throw all reserves for the modernization of nuclear submarines after he went to D-Day celebration in Normandy in 2014 and there he was threatened with such weapons if he would send troops into the Ukraine, that he decided to threaten with a nuclear weapons in response.

    And the tragedy on Losharik proved once again that the psychos in Ukraine could still bring the matter to the big bang, and the most adequate part of these psychos are in Western Ukraine, who still listen to the Pope’s voice, the Pope who has already proved that he may occasionally warn about the start of the Third World War, even if it actually will be the Fourth, and even that there will be no stone unturned in Western Ukraine, and there will be no need to sprinkle Kiev with salt like Romans did to Carthage.

  55. Janos Skorenzy July 6, 2019 at 2:24 pm #

    The Wisdom of Lana. Wonderval vocal fry. Reminds me of a girl I worked with long ago. A Winner who took her own life in middle age I think, if I read the fragments correctly. No one wanted to say it out loud, understandably enough.

    youtube.com/watch?v=N2K4gYzopYE

    • BackRowHeckler July 6, 2019 at 2:56 pm #

      Red Ice hasn’t been banned yet?

      Brh

      • Janos Skorenzy July 6, 2019 at 3:14 pm #

        She’s on youtube. I don’t tune in beyond that so I don’t know the status of the show. Maybe she avoids using the J word? In any case, she is wonderful isn’t she? That’s called good breeding. That’s what all sane people want. What people pay more for in adoption agencies, etc. What the National Socialists wanted: the Triumph of the Good and Beautiful – and what you and yours in your ignorance fought against. You won – how do you like it now?

    • SoftStarLight July 6, 2019 at 4:29 pm #

      The one thing that never ceases to amaze me is how people who believe themselves to be the most tolerant of all people are usually the most intolerant of all. It really is a strange phenomenon.

      • GreenAlba July 6, 2019 at 7:56 pm #

        Perhaps people who dream of destroying their country’s Constitution to set up a totalitarian theocracy (pardon the tautology) should be careful of talking about tolerance?

        Spooks be listening too, for un-American Activities. Careful.

        • SoftStarLight July 6, 2019 at 8:31 pm #

          Ah so now you are fully supportive of the American Empire? And in other words its ok to ignore the Constitution when it suits your poltical goals but when the opposition plays the same game you’re suddenly a loyal Constitutionalist? In other words you’re happy to be a pretzel for politics.

          • GreenAlba July 7, 2019 at 5:22 am #

            Where did you hear me say I remotely support empire? You’re supposed to be a Republic.

            You’re as bad as Janos.

          • GreenAlba July 7, 2019 at 5:29 am #

            You even mimic his ‘in other words’. Some people have drawn conclusions about ‘you’ from such things 🙂 .

            I don’t have any political goals with regard to the US – I’m just an observer of affairs in a country whose actions affect much of the world.

            I don’t have any political ‘goals’ in my country either. You have to have some semblance or even perceived semblance of power to have a political ‘goal’. The rest of us have to settle for political hopes. Forlorn hopes for the most part.

            So to get back to the actual point, you are proudly un-American in your wish to throw over the Republic to achieve your desired totalitarian theocracy. And yet you talk of tolerance.

          • GreenAlba July 7, 2019 at 5:30 am #

            Two ‘in other words’ in one short post. You’ve out-Janosed Janos 🙂 .

            A pretzel maker of standing.

          • GreenAlba July 7, 2019 at 5:36 am #

            “Ah so now you are fully supportive of the American Empire? ”

            You’d have made a good prosecutor. Maybe they’ll use you to incriminate innocent people when the theocracy comes.

          • SoftStarLight July 7, 2019 at 2:34 pm #

            I referred to your support of the “American Empire” because you are telling me to monitor my speech or potentially suffer consequences. You didn’t say that directly but in so many words you indicated as much. That is not how our Republic is supposed to work. But you see, the Republic has been chipped away at for a long time and power has become much more centralized so that today a very tiny minority controls everyones future. And they are trying to control our thoughts and feelings too. That’s why they love censorship so much. And you appeared to support that in your post.

            I never said I wanted to see the Constitution destroyed. You completely made that up. And don’t you find it ironic that you are calling me un-American?

          • GreenAlba July 7, 2019 at 4:46 pm #

            SSL

            “I referred to your support of the “American Empire” because you are telling me to monitor my speech or potentially suffer consequences.”

            I said ‘spooks be listening – careful’, which anyone with a modicum of insight would pick up as mild sarcasm, given that we have all been led to believe there are listening ears on here (some people even think Janos is here as a flame to encourage moths exactly like you to spill out their real, anti-constitutional thoughts). Why you would interpret that as my support for them I will have to leave to you.

            “I never said I wanted to see the Constitution destroyed. You completely made that up.”

            You have indicated on multiple occasions that you wish to see your Republican government replaced by a theocracy. Theocracies are by their nature totalitarian. Your Constitution specifically forbids a theocracy and guards against it. I didn’t make it up.

            “And don’t you find it ironic that you are calling me un-American?”

            It should be ironic, given that you’re the one who’s American and I’m supporting your Constitution against your attack on it.

        • benr July 7, 2019 at 8:54 am #

          Theocracy doubtful but verses a Totalitarian nightmare via the new age religion of AGW? I prefer neither as my Representative Republic works well when not being attacked by the leftist media.
          Long live the Constitution and the Bill of rights which is under constant assault by the Socialists and Communists!
          1ST
          2nd
          4RTH
          10TH

          Just in case some can’t remember what is what.

          constitutionus.com/

          Or for entertainment!

          youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=G19yNkmwoJk

          • GreenAlba July 7, 2019 at 11:24 am #

            benr

            I engage with you happily when you talk sensibly, and we manage to have productive exchanges from time to time, since we certainly don’t disagree on everything.

            But a rational person simply should not waste energy engaging with comments that refer to AGW as a ‘religion’, because any engagement on those terms is foolish and pointless.

            If the person chooses to discuss the matter rationally, that is a different matter. But in the meantime trying to equate the acceptance of scientific observations as a ‘religion’ is a deliberately manipulative ploy of which the manipulators are fully conscious (as they would be, with it being deliberate, but I just want to make sure you’ve got my point).

          • GreenAlba July 7, 2019 at 11:26 am #

            *with* a religion…

          • benr July 7, 2019 at 2:26 pm #

            @ga

            You see and this is where we diverge 100%.

            “trying to equate the acceptance of scientific observations”
            there IS NOT 100% CONSENSUS the people who study this and do put out a different opinion are beat down and DE platformed or made fun of just as you have done.

            What are you afraid of?
            Are yo one of the people that say anyone daring to say they don’t believe AGW is exactly what people are blaming should be ridiculed, ignored, DE platformed, defunded and last arrested?

          • SoftStarLight July 7, 2019 at 2:41 pm #

            It appears someone supports Theocracy as long as the faith is correct. Complete and total faith in the “consensus” of the scientific “clergy”. We must all aquiesce to the sacrosanct declarations that they utter or face ritual shunning and excommunication. It’s the Middle Ages dressed in a modern lab coat. Or maybe I’m just overthinking everything again….

          • GreenAlba July 7, 2019 at 4:09 pm #

            No, SSL, you’re just being both manipulative and silly.

            But the likelihood of you stopping is virtually nil, so do just carry on – it’s spitting in the wind but if spitting does it for you, be my guest.

            “We must all aquiesce (sic) to the sacrosanct declarations that they utter or face ritual shunning and excommunication. ”

            No you don’t. If you have EVIDENCE, you can present it, but it has to be as robust and comprehensive as the scientific evidence presented so far.

            Just not liking it and wanting to be a bolshy maverick doesn’t quite cut it.

          • GreenAlba July 7, 2019 at 4:10 pm #

            Words are easy. Science is hard. Religion is easier – you just close your eyes and will it to be true.

          • GreenAlba July 7, 2019 at 4:11 pm #

            And I don’t mean spitting in the wind of scientific pronouncements – I mean spitting in the wind of reality.

          • GreenAlba July 7, 2019 at 4:27 pm #

            benr

            ““trying to equate the acceptance of scientific observations” there IS NOT 100% CONSENSUS the people who study this and do put out a different opinion are beat down and DE platformed or made fun of just as you have done.”

            Point me to the list of scientific institutions worldwide that don’t accept AGW and I’ll point you to the list of scientific institutions that do. Your first – if you can find any, your list won’t take you long. And operations like the Global Warming Foundation aren’t scientific institutions – they’re fossil fuel lobbying organisations.

            What’s being afraid got to do with it? The only thing I’m afraid of is that we’ve left it 50 years too late to slow down AGW because of obfuscation by people who don’t want it to be true. Or who know it’s true but have a vested interest in not doing anything about it.

            I don’t want it to be true either, but I can’t do that thing you do and just pretend it isn’t.

            People can say what they like, but people in positions of responsibility have responsibilities.

            Why has Trump tried to shut down AGW research and hide results? What is he afraid of?

            politico.com/story/2019/06/23/agriculture-department-climate-change-1376413

            The Trump administration has refused to publicize dozens of government-funded studies that carry warnings about the effects of climate change, defying a longstanding practice of touting such findings by the Agriculture Department’s acclaimed in-house scientists.

            nytimes.com/2019/05/27/us/politics/trump-climate-science.html

            “Trump Administration Hardens Its Attack on Climate Science”

            “The demonization of carbon dioxide is just like the demonization of the poor Jews under Hitler,” the physicist, William Happer, who serves on the National Security Council as the president’s deputy assistant for emerging technologies, said in 2014 in an interview with CNBC.

            “Mr. Happer’s proposed panel is backed by John R. Bolton, the president’s national security adviser, who brought Mr. Happer into the N.S.C. after an earlier effort to recruit him during the transition.

            “Mr. Happer and Mr. Bolton are both beneficiaries of Robert and Rebekah Mercer, the far-right billionaire and his daughter who have funded efforts to debunk climate science. The Mercers gave money to a super PAC affiliated with Mr. Bolton before he entered government and to an advocacy group headed by Mr. Happer.”

            So what are they all afraid of?

          • GreenAlba July 7, 2019 at 4:49 pm #

            benr and SSL

            Why did ExxonMobil hide the evidence of their own scientists back in the 80s?

            What were they afraid of?

          • Majella July 7, 2019 at 7:18 pm #

            RE: AGW being BS: benr – you’re a Navy Reservist, right?

            usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2017/october/war-plan-orange-climate-change

          • benr July 7, 2019 at 7:43 pm #

            @ga

            Believe it or not there is a list of actual scientists not in lock step with the AGW crowd and big tech scrubbing dissent.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_who_disagree_with_the_scientific_consensus_on_global_warmin…

            washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/11/climate-change-activists-want-punishment-for-skept/

            investors.com/politics/commentary/the-global-warming-thought-police-want-skeptics-in-jail/

            More eye raising than anything the AGW believers club has to say is what they say skeptics should endure.

          • GreenAlba July 7, 2019 at 9:16 pm #

            benr

            Here’s a list in return of notable climate scientists. Not all climate scientists, just the notable ones. They’re all climate scientists. Your list includes people who aren’t climate scientists, but whatever they are, they are a tiny number.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_climate_scientists

            Here are the studies that have been done into the actual consensus:

            skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus-intermediate.htm

            And a word or two from NASA:

            climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

            I looked at your two articles. the people talking nonsense about punishing ‘dissenters’ aren’t scientists. They’re just random ‘activists’ shooting off their mouth. And of course they’ll be picked up and written about as if the scientific community and these two randoms are one and the same.

            The climate scientist mentioned in the article wasn’t even denying climate change – she just gave an explanation for one particular weather event, which is entirely legitimate, since climate scientists are at pains to point out that no single weather event can be blamed on climate change – what points to climate change is patterns of change in weather events. Stronger storms doing more damage, as an example.

          • GreenAlba July 7, 2019 at 9:18 pm #

            And I note that you didn’t engage with any of the points in my post, whereas I dealt with all the points in yours.

      • Majella July 7, 2019 at 7:10 pm #

        Mirror Mirror, On the Wall,
        Who is the Most Self-Deluded of All?

  56. BackRowHeckler July 6, 2019 at 3:15 pm #

    Another low level, intertribal war has erupted in Hartford, 4 shot the other night, 3 shot last night, plus some stabbings. Three days of 90°F temps. seem to have ignited it, but there are other causes too. I mean its hot out here in whitopia too but nobody is getting shot.

    Its funny how the local TV news is playing it — police have suspects, everything is under control, Hartford is perfectly safe come on in and sample diversity and so on. Nobody I know is convinced.

    You’d think in a small city like Hartford (pop. 100,000) at some point, everyone who was gonna get shot, has been shot. But that doesn’t seem to be the case. New victims appear every week. In Hartford, formerly the wealthiest city per capita in the US and according to Mark Twain the most Yankee of all American cities, western civilization is in full retreat, replaced by a sort of hybrid African/Carib/Latino culture, where human life isn’t worth much, and differences are settled with knives, pistols and baseball bats.

    Brh

    • K-Dog July 6, 2019 at 3:50 pm #

      I mean its hot out here in whitopia too but nobody is getting shot.

      Peter Marteka in the Hartford Curant did not mention race. How do you know the victims are not white. No details are being given but if they are white they are in whitopia. With no details you can’t know.

      Why no details at all are being given could tell a story all by itself but ongoing investigation justifiably can hold back info as needed to solve the crime.

      • K-Dog July 6, 2019 at 3:52 pm #

        I figure you are going to tell me you have inside info.

        • K-Dog July 6, 2019 at 4:05 pm #

          And don’t take this the wrong way. You have the start of a story.
          A story that draws attention to our authentic social and political conditions prevalent in the social oppression of post-modern life is a very good thing. Any means to critique the power structure which compels adherence to prevailing conditions is justifiable.

        • BackRowHeckler July 6, 2019 at 5:27 pm #

          kdog, there are no whites in those Hartford neighborhoods; they cleared out decades ago after the 68 riots.

          I work down in there ( took the summer off)

          Local TV news have been interviewing families and neighbors, granted, some of them are Hispanic, not all black.

          I don’t accept any socio economic excuses for what’s happening in Hartford on a nighty basis. There is no exuse.

          Brh

          • Tate July 6, 2019 at 6:49 pm #

            They have plenty of excuses. Which are enabled by various hustlers of all stripes. Blacks would be the first to benefit from the heavy hand of oppression placed upon their collective heads, LOL. Such is the comedy/tragedy of our Clownworld Republic.

      • elysianfield July 7, 2019 at 12:22 pm #

        ” How do you know the victims are not white?”

        Dog,
        Perspective

        Recent History

        A wild-assed guess….

        “info as needed to solve the crime.”

        Yes, there is not enough in the way of “Clues”. It would be my educated guess, however, that it is those God Damned Canadians down from the frozen north causing trouble and stealing our women….

    • BackRowHeckler July 6, 2019 at 5:30 pm #

      18 sq mi

      Actually closer to 120,000

      It quite walkable (if you’re the courageous type) you can walk from the Ct river to the West Hartford line in about a little more than an hour.

      Brh

  57. SoftStarLight July 6, 2019 at 4:03 pm #

    It is true that flyover land has been decimated by the super size everything economy and globalization. But now that the economic and political dynamics are changing maybe it is the mega cities that will become desolate at some point. Our biggest cities are quickly becoming overrun with homeless encampments. The increasing lack of sanitary conditions and threats to public health come at the same time that violent and petty crimes are increasing. Throw in a continual inflow of third world migrants, some of whom are sick and some of whom are criminals. Add in demoralized and ever shrinking police forces and couple that with city officials who believe that enforcing laws are acts of institutional racism. This toxic stew is a recipe that has the potential to turn the cities into death traps. And some would argue that cities like Chicago are death traps now. A swift economic or banking collapse or prolonged power outage would seal the deal for sure. So the desolation of the small towns of yesteryear scattered across flyover land may very well be tomorrow’s hope.

    • James Hansen July 6, 2019 at 4:15 pm #

      The situation is dire, only AOC can save us now.

      • FincaInTheMountains July 6, 2019 at 4:27 pm #

        As soon as this nightmare is over, she will be back serving the tables, after perhaps serving a little time for election finance violations.

        • James Hansen July 6, 2019 at 4:36 pm #

          So you think the Trump administration is a nightmare also? AOC will be around for a long time, you do not find that many bold and fearless politicians and she is unstoppable.

          • FincaInTheMountains July 6, 2019 at 4:39 pm #

            She’s just young and stupid, does not know what she has gotten herself into, but has enough acting talent to recite speeches written by Hillary hacks.

          • SoftStarLight July 6, 2019 at 5:13 pm #

            No she is not simply young and stupid nor is she bold and fearless. She is skilled, she has a mission, and she is backed with big money. In this way she is totally Establishment. But some of her big money backers are somewhat newish to the political scene and all appear to be hardcore Silicon Valley and East Coast Communists. She is not worried about election finance violations because she is part of that class of people that are above the law.

          • FincaInTheMountains July 6, 2019 at 5:29 pm #

            used to be above the law.

            not anymore…

          • Tate July 7, 2019 at 2:09 pm #

            So, on the one hand, Hansen, you claim that you don’t put any stock in politicians, then in the next breath, you’re promoting AOC as some savior?

            Incredible.

      • SoftStarLight July 6, 2019 at 4:35 pm #

        And if you really believe that I’m afraid you’re setting yourself up for disappointment.

        • James Hansen July 6, 2019 at 5:59 pm #

          Like I said in other comments, I am not invested in any politician and since I am Far Left nobody represents me in congress. I have no team.

          I have not followed every word that AOC has said but so far I like her brash style.

          I think Trump will disappoint you tremendously before he leaves office. He is gutting every environmental regulation since Nixon, do you think he can pollute America back to greatness?

          • BackRowHeckler July 6, 2019 at 6:06 pm #

            Dude, how can you be a craftsman and a small businessman and be ‘far left’?

            Brh

      • benr July 7, 2019 at 2:27 pm #

        Sarcasm does not come across in writing very well.

        • SoftStarLight July 7, 2019 at 2:47 pm #

          Well they say that there is partial truth in jokes. Isn’t sarcasm a form of joking?

    • BackRowHeckler July 6, 2019 at 5:42 pm #

      Our little towns are becoming havens of sorts; white families fleeing from the spreading disorder, violence and squalor of the failed welfare state perpetrated by Dem party politic, sanctuary cities, sanctuary state and so on. The inner ring suburbs are gone now too.

      Brh

      • James Hansen July 6, 2019 at 6:10 pm #

        I suspect you do not know what Far Left means or stands for.

        • BackRowHeckler July 6, 2019 at 6:23 pm #

          Clue me in.

          • BackRowHeckler July 6, 2019 at 6:49 pm #

            When I hear ‘Far Left’ I’m thinking Mao’s teenage Red Guard cadre kicking the sh#t out of their Capitalist Running Dog economics professor, then making him confess all his sins against the proletariat and bark like a dog before shooting him in the back of the head.

            But what do I know?

            Brh

          • James Hansen July 6, 2019 at 7:08 pm #

            That is a big request, I would have to break it down into many parts. I am heading out so I will have to get back to you tomorrow.

          • malthuss July 7, 2019 at 12:46 am #

            he dont have 1

        • Janos Skorenzy July 6, 2019 at 6:26 pm #

          And I suspect you are describing yourself wrongly. Traditional Economies are neither “left” nor “right” – but another “line” all together. Where on Earth did people get the idea that all human political and economic belief and practice could be described by two such vague words?

        • SoftStarLight July 6, 2019 at 6:28 pm #

          Yes, what does Far Left mean to you? Do you believe in the abolition of private property? I don’t believe you agree with the total censorship and deletio of of non-conforming viewpoints do you?

          • SoftStarLight July 6, 2019 at 6:28 pm #

            deletion

          • James Hansen July 6, 2019 at 7:13 pm #

            “abolition of private property” who the hell believes in that? I see there are a lot of weird ideas of what you think a Liberal wants.

          • SoftStarLight July 6, 2019 at 8:14 pm #

            There is a big difference between a Liberal and the Far Left at least from what I understand. When you say Far Left I think of Communists.

          • Majella July 7, 2019 at 7:25 pm #

            “…agree with the total censorship and deletio(n) of of non-conforming viewpoints…”

            SSL – form all the posts I’ve read from you, it would be fair to say that YOU do, at least from time-to-time…though you are not consistent.

            I think your stated position on any given day depends largely on what you read most recently and/or what attracts Janos’ positive attention.

        • malthuss July 7, 2019 at 12:46 am #

          subjectivity–thats what it stands for.

          the commies of 50 years ago are conservatives, today.

          the commies didnt openly ask for
          legal infanticide
          open borders
          multi cult

          • benr July 7, 2019 at 2:30 pm #

            Uh no Conservatives are not communists don’t conflate Republican with Conservative. A simple fact the Republican party is not a Conservative establishment and the Republican party of today more resembles Democrats from the late 50’s and early 60’s which I believe is what you meant to say.

            Communists are Communists they just changed their name to Progressive to confuse the fools.

      • malthuss July 7, 2019 at 12:44 am #

        check the new film, Last Black Man.

      • trolleybill July 8, 2019 at 9:08 am #

        I was affected by the 2nd great migration and it’s cancerous affect has not diminished in over 55 years but spread. European Americans will rebuild small towns as they retreat from the cancer

    • Majella July 7, 2019 at 7:20 pm #

      Jeez, SSL. You catastrophize at Olympic level. How do you sleep at night with so many intractable, existential threats bearing down on you?

  58. FincaInTheMountains July 6, 2019 at 4:03 pm #

    Eternal Memory to the Heroes!

    In St. Petersburg, at the Serafimov cemetery, dead submariners were buried.

    youtube.com/watch?v=W0_iUL-vV3A

    “They at the cost of their lives saved their comrades, did not allow a catastrophe on a planetary scale” said at the farewell ceremony, Deputy Defense Minister Andrei Kartapolov.

  59. FincaInTheMountains July 6, 2019 at 4:19 pm #

    Hillary Clinton cancels cybersecurity appearance for unspecified reasons

    thetribunepapers.com/2019/07/05/hillary-clinton-cancels-cybersecurity-appearance-for-unspecified-rea…

    I truly hope that the unspecified reasons are connected to her taking a very long vacation in Cuba, in Gitmo resort.

    • FincaInTheMountains July 6, 2019 at 4:34 pm #

      And anyway, who was fucked in the head enough to invite Ms. CyberHack to speak at cybersecurity conference?

      • Walter B July 6, 2019 at 5:40 pm #

        Well she could certainly educate us all on how to avoid incarceration even after you are caught red handed committing serious crimes including treason!

        • benr July 7, 2019 at 2:33 pm #

          That is easy have dirt on everyone!
          Greased everyone’s hands and packed the DOJ with friends and people you own at the highest levels.

    • James Hansen July 6, 2019 at 6:07 pm #

      So we agree on something!

  60. Pucker July 6, 2019 at 7:25 pm #

    I wonder how many people know that Obama’s African lineage is basically a family of East African A-Rab slave traders who hunted, kidnapped, and murdered Africans for profit? Obama’s family includes zero descendants of slaves, and Obama’s family profited handsomely from the African slave trade. Nevertheless, the Obama’s will receive Reparations payments.

    Martin Dugard
    Into Africa: The Epic Adventures of Stanley and Livingstone

    • Tate July 7, 2019 at 2:24 pm #

      Obama’s real father was Frank Marshal Davis. He was a communist organizer in Hawaii whom BHO described as his mentor growing up. He pimped out BHO’s mother as a pornographer, sold her images to men’s magazines.

      • Majella July 7, 2019 at 7:26 pm #

        Evidence, please.

        • benr July 7, 2019 at 7:52 pm #

          How about you do some research and come to your own conclusion.
          I suggest looking at Frank Marshal Davis picture and then look at Barry Dunham.

          • Majella July 7, 2019 at 11:26 pm #

            Tate made specific accusations:

            “Obama’s real father was Frank Marshal Davis. He was a communist organizer in Hawaii whom BHO described as his mentor growing up. He pimped out BHO’s mother as a pornographer, sold her images to men’s magazines.”

            Pretty bloody specific. wouldn’t you agree? But I don’t believe him and so I wouldn’t waste my time chasing a non-existent wild goose. But if someone wants to make an outrageous statement of apparent FACT, that poster should provide at least a link to her ‘evidence’.or the sources on which the ‘evidence’ has been concocted.

            Also, my own or your own ‘opinion’, formed from looking at pictures on the ‘net, does not constitute evidence.

          • Tate July 8, 2019 at 12:45 am #

            Majella, I’m going to find the DVD that I have in my possession & review it & provide more concrete facts. You won’t find this on the indexed or policed ‘good-think’ internet for free although you may be able to purchase the DVD yourself if I can find a link.

            But yes, benr is correct that one piece of compelling evidence is in plain view, i.e., to compare the physiognomy of Frank Marshall Davis versus his putative father, Obama Sr. Clearly, the latter looks less like his “son” than does FMD.

  61. Pucker July 6, 2019 at 7:57 pm #

    The TV Show “Cops”. They could have a TV Show called “ICE” in which they chase down illegal Mexicans…. Rather than a pseudo Reggae beat theme song like “Cops”, it could have a Ricky Martin Latin beat. After the ICE officers capture an illegal Beaner, they just throw him back into the pond to keep the other illegal Mexicans scared and voting Democratic, while keeping the price of Labor low and the Republicans happy. The average one-eyed American Cyclops voter who can’t focus on what’s going on gets the emotional value of the Entertainment.

  62. Pucker July 6, 2019 at 8:06 pm #

    I read that one way that the American Underclass often relies on to avoid the expense of a funeral is to simply NOT go to the hospital to claim the dead relative’s body so that hospital has to dispose of it.

    • Ol' Scratch July 7, 2019 at 8:58 am #

      Good plan. Bodies are just mortal remains. Might as well ask what to do with hair or nail clippings. Silly humans: DISPOSE of them, of course!

      • SoftStarLight July 7, 2019 at 2:53 pm #

        And we know that the Devil doesn’t care about them mortal remains, just the souls ;-)!

    • malthuss July 7, 2019 at 6:10 pm #

      I thought that was a Black ‘thing.’

  63. Pucker July 6, 2019 at 8:09 pm #

    The traditional method of cannibals in Africa for preparing a human corpse for consumption was to soak the corpse in running water until it became bloated with water and tender. This information may go into my post-Collapse cookbook along with my possum, road kill, poke salad, and kudzu recipes.

    • malthuss July 7, 2019 at 12:42 am #

      gators caymen crocs do the same. take a body and keep it under some roots so it gets water logged.

      • elysianfield July 7, 2019 at 12:32 pm #

        Malthuss,

        “Water logged” is incorrect…rotting is more to the point….

        • Tate July 7, 2019 at 2:31 pm #

          Sometimes the body doesn’t rot; in the absence of oxygen it converts to a fat called ‘adipocere’ through the process of saponification.

  64. Pucker July 6, 2019 at 8:29 pm #

    They think that Ted Bundy’s dad was an itinerant “Sailor” just passing through town on shore leave.

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=VVzsQ-RiT9U

    • Pucker July 6, 2019 at 9:11 pm #

      Chelsea doesn’t look anything like Bill Clinton. Chelsea looks like Hillary’s Rose Law Firm Law Partner, Webster Hubbell. That’s what witches do…that and “Taking Long Walks in the Woods.” Too bad that Hillary didn’t pop out a boy like Bill….

      • malthuss July 7, 2019 at 12:39 am #

        AND CHELSEA looks a great deal like Hubbs own acknowledged daughter.

        theres some writing about Hillarys book and how she mentioned a footballer [Web?] holding the baby.

        • benr July 7, 2019 at 2:34 pm #

          Terrible gene pool that guy is one ugly prick.

  65. Janos Skorenzy July 6, 2019 at 9:07 pm #

    Prince Harry and Meghan talking on camera: Who is the baby going to look like?

    I could see the Negro features of Baby Archie. He will never look like Harry – or be like him in any way. Harry is an evolutionary cuckold.

    • malthuss July 7, 2019 at 12:40 am #

      how dare you say the baby wont look or act like him.
      and acting like him might be bad.

      YOUTUBE–CALL FOR AN UPRISING. goes into the three of them.

    • GreenAlba July 7, 2019 at 11:36 am #

      So will the prince be darker or lighter than Charles II?

      Don’t stay up too late thinking about it. There are real issues requiring one’s attention.

  66. Pucker July 6, 2019 at 9:42 pm #

    I went with The Wife to the new “Annabelle” horror flick yesterday. I give it a “4” out of a potential 10 rating since I yawned 3 times during the movie. It’s tough to make a good horror movie. In any case, the movie seems to teach people Witchcraft since it implies that there are “Good Witches” as well as “Bad Witches”. It must be a Feminist “Thang”? The fundamental pitfall in making a convincing horror movie is that True Horror is what is commonplace, ordinary, and banal, and, therefore, not horrifying at all. Catch 22….To be truly horrifying is for the subject to be part of the horror and to partake of the horrifying scene. For example, many people do not see the Evil in Hillary and Bill because they are Evil. Or, people do not see anything out of the ordinary that Pete Buttigieg looks like a Horny, pimply-faced, teenage Mormon Missionary. People can’t see how “Fucked Up” it is because they are themselves “Fucked Up”. Right? Please tell me that I’m wrong….

    “Annabelle is a 2014 American supernatural horror film directed by John R. Leonetti, written by Gary Dauberman and produced by Peter Safran and James Wan. It is a prequel to 2013’s The Conjuring and the second installment in the Conjuring Universe franchise. The film was inspired by a story of a doll named Annabelletold by Ed and Lorraine Warren.[3] The film stars Annabelle Wallis, Ward Horton, and Alfre Woodard.”

    • Exscotticus July 6, 2019 at 11:36 pm #

      I maintain that the best “horror” film is The Exorcist. And the reason is that it embraces science, medicine, and… daylight. No dark cellars or caves or woods or graveyards or castles or places far from civilization. One of the most powerful scenes in the movie is when all the top doctors, having run all their tests and procedures, are discussing the situation with the mother, and one of them turns to her and asks, “Do you have any religious beliefs?”

      • Janos Skorenzy July 7, 2019 at 1:18 am #

        Correct. They used actual auditory footage of a demon in a real exorcism.

      • Tate July 7, 2019 at 2:00 am #

        One of the greatest horror tales of all time is “The Other” by Thomas Tryon.

        Although the movie wasn’t all that good. The setting was the Connecticut river valley.

  67. auburn July 7, 2019 at 12:04 am #

    They arrest Billionaires, don’t they? The billionaire arrested today was Trump’s pimp who got Trump the 13 year old who Trump raped.

    huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-rape-case_n_581a31a5e4b0c43e6c1d9834

  68. Pucker July 7, 2019 at 12:23 am #

    Stanley Kubrick’s “The Shining” is good.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 7, 2019 at 1:20 am #

      Remember when the ghosts tell Jack that a “nigger” is coming to cause problems? Racism unites all the dimensions!

    • SoftStarLight July 7, 2019 at 5:07 am #

      I never understood the ending. Was Jack Nicholson’s character possessed or was he a reincarnation?

      • benr July 7, 2019 at 9:01 am #

        The term you are looking for is crazy.

      • Janos Skorenzy July 7, 2019 at 11:07 am #

        Possessed!

      • SoftStarLight July 7, 2019 at 2:58 pm #

        Ok lol, the only reason I mentioned the reincarnation idea was because he looked just like that man in the picture from the 30’s and so I wondered if he had come back so to speak.

  69. malthuss July 7, 2019 at 12:36 am #

    spacey questioned…….

    …. (((epstein))) arrested.

  70. Pucker July 7, 2019 at 12:52 am #

    I suspect that it’d be tough to write and to produce a good horror movie in this environment since Reality is much more terrifying than anything that a fiction writer can come up with? For example, Rachel Maddow, Transgenders, and Transgender Abortion…. Or, Mayor Pete and his purple colored church filled with fat, mindless, weak people….How can you beat that? Do you remember when people thought that “Jaws” was scary?

    • Janos Skorenzy July 7, 2019 at 1:23 am #

      The Bird Box gives the key here: Many are so far gone now that they don’t see those things as terrifying or wicked. And they are outraged that we don’t want to look – and obsessed with making us look so we can “see”.

    • Pucker July 7, 2019 at 3:51 am #

      Or the fact that black people twice elected as President, Obama, the descendant of Arab African Slavers…terrifying….

  71. Janos Skorenzy July 7, 2019 at 1:26 am #

    Read that the beautiful but despairing chant in Kubrick’s “Eyes Wide Shut” is a Romanian Orthodox Chant being chanted backwards. But is it true? And if so, did Kubrick come up with this by himself or did he have an “in”?

    • SoftStarLight July 7, 2019 at 4:55 am #

      Yes, it is a Romanian Orthodox liturgy that is intentionally played backwards. Did you know that Kubrick also attempted to include a recitation of sacred Hindu scriptures in that scene but it was removed from the final cut because of massive protests? Jocelyn Pook, a British composer, created the soundtrack for the movie and she confessed that the chanting in the masked ball scene was a remake of recordings taken from a Romanian church. Supposedly the movie was not allowed to be shown in Romania for several years after its release because the inverted liturgy was perceived to be blasphemous.

      youtu.be/go4E4tNGQks

  72. Janos Skorenzy July 7, 2019 at 4:25 am #

    rt.com/usa/463560-epstein-charged-trafficking-girls/

    Why now I wonder? He got off on a very sweet deal some years ago. Maybe Trump better get this War on, or else Epstein is going to get another sweet deal for ratting him out – as in Trump partook. One theory. Others?

    • SoftStarLight July 7, 2019 at 5:04 am #

      This could be a political earthquake since so many of the wealthy and famous are caught up in the Epstein web. I think a lot of the uber wealthy just had a bad night after hearing about his arrest. Some are saying this will bring the Clintons down. I’ll have to see that to believe it.

      • Janos Skorenzy July 7, 2019 at 11:11 am #

        Yeah, why would they bring their own system down? The focus is sure to be much narrower – one guy. Unless Trump has seen the Light is going after Them. Many say he has stepped up the War against human traffickers. But my faith in him has run out. I fear this is far too close to home for him to do anything about.

        • SoftStarLight July 7, 2019 at 3:52 pm #

          I know and you might be right. I am really hoping that Trump is going after Them. I know it may very well be foolish at this point to do so but what else is there really? At least in this current arrangement of things.

          • Majella July 7, 2019 at 7:32 pm #

            Trump IS ONE of THEM.

    • Billy Hill July 7, 2019 at 8:05 am #

      Just read the Daily Beast article. The main question is: Who is this guy, really? Taught math for a while, trader at Bear Stearns, opened his own shop with only one client apparently. Big Time Hedge Funders have a Big Time presence on The Street. As paraphrased in the Beast piece, large animals leave tracks in the snow. Epstein left none. Portrayed as Gatsby-like.

      But there’s a paper trail — and I’ll theorize a celluloid/digital trail as well — identifying the rich and powerful or the wanna-be rich and powerful, who like Dershowitz and The Royal Family, vehemently deny any and all accusations.

      Is the motive to insure the well-connected will do their part to keep Gatsby a free man, or is there some other more conspiratorial element at play here? Who is this guy?

      • Janos Skorenzy July 7, 2019 at 11:13 am #

        Shades of Pizzagate. The Pizza Man owned two pizzerias – a successful small businessman, yet somehow he is listed as one of the 100 most important people in Washington. What gives? I fear we already know…..

        • Billy Hill July 7, 2019 at 12:47 pm #

          We may soon witness a Kompromat slug-fest. Or card game. The Queen holds Trumps, I’ll wager. Assange holds the Joker. Bridge, or Poker?

    • elysianfield July 7, 2019 at 12:39 pm #

      “Epstein is going to get another sweet deal for ratting…”

      Janos,
      Do you recall Hillary’s reported Email referencing “hanging from nooses” if Trump elected? I expect that Epstein will give the names of even those yet unborn to avoid 15 years rooming with Butch McDick….

  73. BackRowHeckler July 7, 2019 at 7:19 am #

    Rereading Jim’s blog, you can’t really stress enough how the events of 1929 — 1935, the Great Depression, affected and really ended the industrial economy he cites as being at its peak in 1900. So many times I’ve looked up old companies I’ve learned about, or the origin of old tools I’ve found, and it will say ‘closed in 1931’, or ‘went out of business in 1933’. In that earlier time what we call today ‘consumer products’ were manufactured in redbrick factories built along our fast moving rivers an streams making everything from nuts and bolts, axes, machetes, measuring tools, plows and farm implements, leather products, textile, hand tools and many other things. None of that came back when the economy revived in the buildup to WW2, what replaced it were consolidated, massive plants built on converted farmland for the purpose of supporting the war effort in the 40s and the Cold War after that, jet engines and nuclear submarines and so on. It became an industrial economy based upon government contracts.

    Brh

    • Ol' Scratch July 7, 2019 at 8:55 am #

      Great observations. The civilian and governmental war economies came into complete congruence in the aftermath of WWII. In that sense, Korea and Vietnam were probably inevitable, with the relatively quiet period between Vietnam and the early 90’s festivities in Iraq being the historic anomaly. In the interim, the MICC figured out how to successfully market perpetual war (to guys like me, no less!), by ending the draft, crushing the regular economy so that the war economy was the only alternative then fully integrating what was left of domestic manufacturing with the war machine, co-opting war reporting by embedding -and thus muzzling – reporters, and by making flag waving and warrior worship a national obsession (with lucrative marketing tie-ins to pro sports – the NFL), even expanding it to include first responders of all types in the wake of OKC and 9-11. Pretty ingenious plan, no matter how you slice it, and one that feels like it will be damn near impossible to reverse. As it stands now, we couldn’t reverse the perpetual war economy, even if we tried (which we won’t), without collapsing the whole shebang, and everyone knows it. Thus we ‘Muricans will continue to vote for and support it no matter what, even as we decry its many ill effects. Rock meets hard place, and the merely squeamish get squeezed. Bigly.

      • stelmosfire July 7, 2019 at 9:27 am #

        Ol’ Scratch
        “even expanding it to include first responders of all types in the wake of OKC and 9-11″
        As a 33 year FF and EMT I have tons of tee shirts with the emblem on them. I wear them all the time. I often get the ” Thanks for your service” line. Frankly I find it somewhat annoying. I feel like saying ” You already thanked me with a satisfying job and a good paycheck and pension.” I just smile and say “Thanks”

        • BackRowHeckler July 7, 2019 at 9:40 am #

          Ok Rip, if I’m up yer way and see a dude wearing patriotic EBT/FFT T-Shirt, I’ll step up and say hello. We go to that brew pub in NGranby occassionally, a little south of you.

          Brh

    • JohnAZ July 7, 2019 at 11:03 am #

      It is simply the Big Box scenario applied to government spending. JHK chapter on entropy said it well. Economies of scale drive businesses to become bigger and bigger. The lobbying machine that is DC and the MIC is a natural for Big Box lobbying. Lockheed Martin and Northrup Grumman are merging which will make it simple to make contracts on just about all military air weapons. Economies of scale.

      Capitalism needs competition to work. Socialism, the control of the economy by the government, is being generated by the government itself, yes, the Deep State.

      Government ownership of the economic engine, Communism, may not be far behind. How do small and medium sized companies compete with behemoths like the government controls.

  74. FincaInTheMountains July 7, 2019 at 9:34 am #

    Stanley Kubrick’s “The Shining” is good == Pucker

    The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Jack Nicholson & Co.

    One of my Russian friends asked me about American movies from the 1970s and 1980s, which I would like to recommend for a better understanding of the United States as a partner in world politics.

    From myself I will add that the partner is not only in world politics, but also in the History of Salvation, and History is the History of Salvation, and outside of it, history just dies, as it died in the USA in the 1990s, and now Americans like owls in a hollow of a tree clap their eyes in surprise, when you remind them of the sensational events of just six months ago.

    And since in the United States at one point I even organized a cinema club, first of all I remembered those American films that I showed in the club.

    In the Soviet Union, I was a total movie fan, and, by a strange coincidence, these movie masterpieces turned out to be films that were very popular in the USSR, but were almost unknown to the American upper middle class, although they were fairly well known to the public in Washington Square. And, showing them to my cinema club, I, obviously, already then anticipated the need not only to understand the causes of the US civil war that started in Waco, Texas before my eyes, but also to prevent a nuclear war, almost inevitable after such an end of the Cold War.

    But I will start with a movie that I did not show in this club, and which is not entirely American, does not fall within this time frame and was quite well known even to wives of American upper middle class.

    The fact is that this movie not only revealed the very core of the so-called American mentality, its core as a Koschei egg with a corresponding needle, but also formed that mentality in some way in the 70s, in particular, having influenced all American movie directors.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koschei

    This is “The Good, the Bad and the Ugly” which I watched with my wife at the American Embassy in Moscow. In any case, I remember exactly how I stand, completely awestruck after this movie, right at the entrance to the American Embassy.

    youtube.com/watch?v=dvSZ_HQmZgQ

    And the first victim of this movie became Jack Nicholson, who all his life plays all of them at the same time.
    Especially notable in this sense is the movie “The Shining”, which, like all Kubrick films, is a horror movie no more than The Brothers Karamazov. But the book itself is very remarkable in this sense, and very different from all other books by this author.

    youtube.com/watch?v=AmcnnRv58Z4

    But in any case, the performance of Nicholson gave it another dimension, revealing the original intent of the book, which is revealed in the history of the hotel where the drama takes place.

    The most interesting thing is that this meaning was hidden from all my American friends, and one of them already in 1992 gave an interpretation, according to which Kubrick in this film told us that someone had instructed him to make a film about the flight to the Moon of Apollo 11, which actually was not.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_theories_in_popular_culture

    Meanwhile, the story that was written on white paper in black ink by Stephen King tells us, for example, what is happening in Ukraine now, and this, in my opinion, is much more interesting.

    True, the above-mentioned interpretation of my American friend had already inspired a suspicion in me that it was in this way that the Dulles plan was unfolding in America, which could just as well be called the plan of Giordano Bruno.

    Moreover, this explains why they began to put this straitjacket on America from the head (Intelligentsia), and at about the time when Gorbachev came to power in Russia.

    Another role from the aforementioned American culture archetype Jack Nicholson plays in “Easy Rider”, and you should understand me when I say that this film tells something very important about how Syria was saved 2 years ago and about how chemical weapons did not fall into the hands of the Islamic State.

    youtube.com/watch?v=Mm_CEmybOjc

    youtube.com/watch?v=YyaUtnWr8Gw

    • BackRowHeckler July 7, 2019 at 9:41 am #

      Good Bad and Ugly was a spaghetti western.

      • FincaInTheMountains July 7, 2019 at 9:45 am #

        As I said, it is not an entirely American movie. I just never heard the term “spaghetti western”.

      • stelmosfire July 7, 2019 at 10:06 am #

        The Royal Enfield, do you still ride it? Evelyn will have your balls as it is not a practical MC. No knuckleheads for her! She prefers electric scooters as do her cohorts.

        • BackRowHeckler July 7, 2019 at 11:01 am #

          Yeah, my nephew is working on it.

          Needs a few parts for the electrical system and parts are impossible to find.

          • stelmosfire July 7, 2019 at 12:21 pm #

            I heard a joke the other day.
            Why do the Brits drink their beer warm?
            Because they have Lucas refrigerators.
            That was from a Jag owner.
            Does the Enfield have Lucas electricals?

          • BackRowHeckler July 7, 2019 at 12:57 pm #

            Ignition system has Lucas logo, yes.

        • EvelynV July 7, 2019 at 2:53 pm #

          My father rode an Indian. Gave it up after I was born.

          My preference on two wheels have no motors.

  75. Cavepainter July 7, 2019 at 10:01 am #

    Just for the record (er, history), take Kaepernick for example; his ancestral blood line would most likely not have survived had it not been made captive by African tribes warring with one another to obtain captives to be sold in the slave market.

    Yes, when his forbears ended up in America life in sub-Saharan Africa was — now get this – much more savage than what was the general experience of slaves in America.

    Now take a deep breath; except for Western Culture (White Europeans, essentially) none of the advantages enjoyed by those blood lines — known collectively as “the modern world”– would exist. Already, at the time when his forbears remained “slaves”, the strides of Western Culture’s advances were such as to make life of even slaves in America measurably better than that of life ordinary elsewhere.

    Yep, so even back then they were the beneficiaries of “White privilege”, just as today anyone living in a Westernized society is, by default of fateful outcome, beneficiary of White privilege.

    His “take a knee” protest is, therefore, emblematic of nothing but historic irony. The entire panoply of its staging puts contradiction to its aimed point. Much the same as the fact that James Baldwin’s prose exist only by dependence upon Western literary form.

    Then too, jazz would not have evolved except that certain plantation owners recognized talent and taught choice of their slaves the Western canon of musical scripting and scoring.

    Labor management has always followed the same standards across all cultures through time: keep cost to a minimum while capitalizing upon recognizable gift possessed by individuals.

    That’s why there is an NF “draft”, not different from how key operatives in all economies vie for top talent just as plantation owner’s wanted to be known as having the most polished and sophisticated plantation bourgeois Negros (so classed were often better dressed, fed and housed than off plantation poor Whites, referenced as “White Trash” by this bourgeois slave class).

    Now, as for the proposal for “reparations” now being considered in Congress,……

  76. FincaInTheMountains July 7, 2019 at 10:54 am #

    Maybe Trump better get this War on, or else Epstein is going to get another sweet deal for ratting him out – as in Trump partook. One theory. Others? == Janos

    It’ll all gonna get super-accelerated after the Losharik incident, otherwise these muzerfukers are going to kill us all.

    Of course, Losharik will not be declassified, but what has happened will be told.

    They are too afraid of the rumors.

  77. FincaInTheMountains July 7, 2019 at 12:24 pm #

    In a few hours, Sunday’s political programs will begin, and if they don’t talk about the state of emergency that turned Pence’s plane around over Atlantic, it would mean that they took Trump’s words seriously that in a couple of weeks everyone would know everything.

    Apparently, these words were among other things also a threat.

    In a meantime, I watch “Game of Thrones”, which in unique manner describes the War of the Roses, as if no Christianity had ever happened.

    Thanks to this, I now have a much better idea of the socio-psychological groups that will inevitably be involved in the impending attempt at a coup d’état in Russia, if Putin still does not bother to purge the closest circle of the Prime Minister and articulate the national idea for which this purge will take place.

    I don’t know if I can contribute to the failure of this coup, but I’m likely to be able to tell you about it, my dear readers, a few days before it begins.

    • James Hansen July 7, 2019 at 1:43 pm #

      The U.S. has recently shipped about 1 1/2 Billion dollars of weapons to Ukraine and 250 million for training so they can have a proxy war against Russia.

      We are also flying nuclear bombers near the Russian borders on a daily basis so Russian fighter pilots have to ward them off every day.

      Any thoughts?

      • stelmosfire July 7, 2019 at 2:17 pm #

        Since when are US aircraft nuclear powered? I must have missed the memo.

        • stelmosfire July 7, 2019 at 2:19 pm #

          Go build a table for cryin’ out loud!

          • James Hansen July 7, 2019 at 2:53 pm #

            Have you seen that kick ass solid teak table I made on my website?

        • James Hansen July 7, 2019 at 2:51 pm #

          Planes with nuclear bombs aboard, but you knew that.

          • BackRowHeckler July 7, 2019 at 4:22 pm #

            Only a few people know which aircraft are carrying a nuclear payload. Some of the ships I served on were nuclear capable, nobody knew but the Captain, XO and weapons officer if we had them aboard or not,

            How do you know US planes flying near Russia are armed with nukes?

            Brh

      • BackRowHeckler July 7, 2019 at 2:41 pm #

        Is Joe Biden or his sons involved? He seems to be Mr Ukraine.

        Brh

        • James Hansen July 7, 2019 at 10:55 pm #

          I do not know but those planes are nuclear capable and the main point is the Russians do not know either.

          A very stupid course of action, nothing to gain but every thing to lose.

  78. BackRowHeckler July 7, 2019 at 2:36 pm #

    Well, listening to the Sox Tigers game this Sunday afternoon, time to dust off the 2016 Bernie Sanders poem.

    I just met a Marxist/Leninist named Breadline Bernie
    And suddenly his line
    Seems so correct and fine
    To me
    Breadline Bernie
    Say it soft and there’s rice fields flowing
    Say it loud and there’s a people’s war growing
    Breadline Bernie
    I’ll never stop loving Breadline Bernie

    Brh

    • EvelynV July 7, 2019 at 2:57 pm #

      You should have been watching Women’s World Cup final you misogynistic silver back.

      • James Hansen July 7, 2019 at 3:14 pm #

        So Evelyn, are you single?

        • elysianfield July 7, 2019 at 6:06 pm #

          “So Evelyn, are you single?”

          …and what are you wearing right now…?

      • BackRowHeckler July 7, 2019 at 4:15 pm #

        Watching the what?

      • elysianfield July 7, 2019 at 6:05 pm #

        “You should have been watching Women’s World Cup”

        Evelyn,
        As the football coach in Bastrop Texas once opined…”Soccer is a Weenie Sport…”

        I could not watch, however, for that empty headed bitch who politicized the white house visit.

        I am sure that the spectacle was entertaining, though…cunning little runts….

        • stelmosfire July 7, 2019 at 6:12 pm #

          “I am sure that the spectacle was entertaining, though…cunning little runts….”Should be Running little cunts.

          • James Hansen July 7, 2019 at 7:10 pm #

            Cunts? You are officially an Asshole.

          • stelmosfire July 8, 2019 at 7:39 am #

            And also JAMES, I have respect for REAL women. I actually stand up at the table when they approach, even if it is a TEAK table. Also James can you please pass the Grey Poupon?

        • EvelynV July 8, 2019 at 2:16 am #

          No disrespect for that Texas football coach but he must have been a fucking moron.

          Rapino didn’t politicize it. In the quiet solitude of the locker room some media person asked her an asinine question about how excited she was about getting invited to the Whitehouse if they won and she muttered barely audibly “I’m not going to the fucking whitehouse.” The fools who exploded her quiet comment into something that made the fool on the hill practically shit his pants in yet another display of his infantile personality suckered folks like you into believing a horrible event took place.

          Rapino is an awesome athlete and has more character than the entire swarming pack of sycophants hovering around the toothache of a man who is doing all he can to make Americans pitied the world around.

          • stelmosfire July 8, 2019 at 7:32 am #

            For James, Thanks for the complement. If everyone thought I was an asshole my life would be complete. Such is the life of an idiot savant.

          • elysianfield July 8, 2019 at 12:01 pm #

            Evelyn,
            You are probably correct regarding the Football Coach…they, as a group, are not generally singled out for their acumen.

            Rapino may, indeed, be a better man than Trump…the list could be long. BUT…she did make the comment to the press…and nothing is done in a vacuum.

            A demure comment regarding being busy “on that day” might have been more appropriate…washing her hair, etc.

  79. Walter B July 7, 2019 at 3:18 pm #

    Hey guys, looks like the first “sealed indictment” is real and is official on MSM:

    cnn.com/2019/07/06/us/jeffrey-epstein-arrest-sex-trafficking-indictment/index.html?ref=hvper.com

    • James Hansen July 7, 2019 at 3:30 pm #

      Calling Loraina Bobbet!

    • SoftStarLight July 7, 2019 at 3:46 pm #

      So is this really the beginning of the whole avalanche of sealed indictments that were supposed to be opened a long time ago or just an orchestrated hit? This seems to have the potential to be really big, maybe a game changer. Child trafficking and exploitation are alleged to be a major thing for the Elite. If its all true then a lot of important people could be going down.

  80. SoftStarLight July 7, 2019 at 3:33 pm #

    A lawyer for some of Epstein’s victims, Brad Edwards, says that Trump was the only person who voluntarily provided him with information in the 2009 case against Epstein. So is this arrest like a shot fired at the Deep State by Trump et al?

    weaselzippers.us/425269-epstein-was-banned-from-mar-a-lago-club-after-soliciting-teen-trump-provided…

  81. FincaInTheMountains July 7, 2019 at 3:53 pm #

    We are also flying nuclear bombers near the Russian borders on a daily basis so Russian fighter pilots have to ward them off every day.

    Patrol flights of the nuclear-armed bombers is rather a routine procedure on both side compared to what happened with Losharik.

    “They at the cost of their lives saved their comrades, did not allow a catastrophe on a planetary scale” said at the farewell ceremony, Deputy Defense Minister Andrei Kartapolov.

    Don’t you think that the phrase catastrophe on a planetary scale was said just to make a pretty form of speech?

    eng.mil.ru/en/management/info.htm?id=11960036@SD_Employee

    • elysianfield July 7, 2019 at 6:09 pm #

      “Don’t you think that the phrase catastrophe on a planetary scale was said just to make a pretty form of speech?”

      Komaraden Finc!

      Whomsoever said that, to be taken seriously, should be sitting in a boardroom stroking a white cat….

  82. wwg1wga July 7, 2019 at 4:19 pm #

    That’s great it starts with an earthquake….
    got-truth.com/docs/and%20I%20feel%20fine.pdf

    #oathkeepers #QArmy #WWG1WGA

    Q.

  83. FincaInTheMountains July 7, 2019 at 4:51 pm #

    Graham, a Big One in California and the arrests of the pedophiles

    In the post “Emergency declared worldwide” kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/stagecraft/#comment-426699 I added:

    I just read on the forum that FBI employees supporting Trump have arrested more than 200 of their bosses, Hillary Clinton supporters.

    I understand how incredible this assumption seems, but sometimes only incredible assumptions can explain the reality given to us in sensations.

    For example, one of the sensations in 2016, ten days before the election, was seen on TV by the FBI Director Comey, who, 3 months after stating that “after the investigation, no reasonable prosecutor would have found a crime in the actions of Hillary Clinton” declared to the whole world that he opens up a new investigation.

    Subsequently, Hillary Clinton blamed precisely the Comey statement as the main reason for her defeat in the elections and even tried to use this fact to discourage Comey, who, after Trump’s victory, proved that he is a true and useful flying monkey, and not an idiot.

    So why did he reopen a new investigation of Hillary Clinton 10 days before the election?

    The only explanation is as incredible as the 200 FBI employees allegedly arrested on July 3 2019 by their subordinates. Namely, as it became known from the same sources, a group of FBI employees investigating the case of Internet pedophiles came to the husband of the closest personal assistant of Hillary Clinton Huma Abedin, whose husband had been entertaining himself by watching child pornography on prohibited sites.

    And when the FBI officers came to him with a search warrant, they found on his computer records of entertainment with youngsters of the entire staff of Hillary Clinton, which Huma Abedin apparently kept just in case to blackmail her patroness in the future.

    And according to legend, FBI officers came to the FBI director Comey with the demand to open a new investigation of Hillary Clinton, threatening to otherwise to leak these records to the Internet, including entertainment with very young girls of former President Bill Clinton.

    And this morning it became known that yesterday one of the organizers of these entertainments, Jeffrey Epstein, was arrested, and rumors reported that he was already testifying on his accomplices.

    And immediately after the state of emergency and the catastrophe on Losharik, this very much resembles a sweep-up of traitors, who almost provoked a planetary catastrophe that Russian sailors prevented with their lives.

    How does this provocation on a planetary scale actually differ from cyber-mines, according to the New York Times laid down in the Russian energy system without the knowledge of the US president for fear that he will tell Putin about them?

    And all this is happening against the background of the scandal around the son of the most famous US television evangelist Graham, also a very well-known television evangelist, who recently said that the climate catastrophe is a punishment from Above for homosexual marriages and wedding of homosexuals in Christian churches, which Hillary Clinton promised during election campaign in 2016, which raised against her the entire Evangelical America.

    And the day after Trump’s supporters began discussing the black color of their hats on the Last Judgment after a planetary catastrophe and punishment falling all over America for artistry of Hillary Clinton in foreign policy, a seven-point earthquake occurs in California, and scientists start talking about the possibility of the very near future of the so-called “Big One”, in comparison with which a seven-point earthquake today will seem like a childish squeak.

  84. JohnAZ July 7, 2019 at 5:13 pm #

    A very strange feeling this morning.

    I watched a bit of the Women’s soccer victory and just turned it off, realizing I did not care who won.

    I have a problem with a supposed Team USA whose big ego, big mouth spokesperson will not acknowledge the National Anthem, who will not visit the WH for an accolade, and really stands against the values of the Constitution of this country. Why?

    And why should any money be given to support a team that the rest of the world laughs at. They are champions in nobody’s eyes, whether they won on the field or not.

    Trump had the grace to tweet them congratulations this afternoon.

    I am not so gracious. The time has come to end these egomaniacal athletes from bad mouthing the country that enables their triumphs.

    If you cannot just shut up, go find something else to do.

    • stelmosfire July 7, 2019 at 6:10 pm #

      Well stated John

    • Tate July 7, 2019 at 6:30 pm #

      You actually watched it? Why? And what does it have to do with the [reverb on] Constitution [reverb off]?

      • JohnAZ July 7, 2019 at 6:49 pm #

        For about five minutes until she snubbed the anthem.

        The Constitution.

        Showing respect for the anthem and the flag shows respect for the Constitution and the rule of law. Sneer at the flag, burn the flag, you are showing disrespect for what makes us America.

        I do not know what you do with countrymen that really do not want to be here.

        Hey, maybe an exchange program. Send one malcontent over the border for every immigrant that crosses. We would be much better off.

        • Tate July 7, 2019 at 6:52 pm #

          I don’t have cable service. Probably would have reacted the same way.

          • Tate July 7, 2019 at 6:53 pm #

            But then, I wouldn’t have been watching to begin with.

          • JohnAZ July 7, 2019 at 7:04 pm #

            I hear you! It was on Fox station. I was curious about the press following their progress. It was a waste even for five minutes.

            Besides, soccer is boring as a spectator sport.

          • Majella July 7, 2019 at 7:57 pm #

            JohnAZ

            Yeah, nasty people, exercising their 1st Amendment rights. Bah!

          • GreenAlba July 8, 2019 at 6:23 am #

            “Besides, soccer is boring as a spectator sport.”

            I’m not much of a fan, but pretty much the entire world seems to disagree with you, John AZ 🙂 . Although the women’s game is really only taking off now.

            I watched the odd match because my husband was watching it. No talk of presidents or anything else over here – people just watching the matches and being impressed by the US team. The ‘brand’ has had a huge boost over here.

            The only time I’ve really seen football politicised (and most people didn’t even notice) was when the football world and its supporters disgraced themselves by playing a world cup in Argentina where they had to clean the blood of its murdered citizens from the stadia before they could play. I guess nobody dared not stand for the national anthem there.

          • GreenAlba July 8, 2019 at 6:25 am #

            I missed the final but Megan won me a fiver over the kitchen table.

        • EvelynV July 8, 2019 at 9:55 am #

          Studies have shown that soccer is boring to the entire world. All the excitement witnessed on media world wide and the fact the French spectator stands were full of cheering Americans to such an extent it sounded like a home game played in the US was fake news.

          Either that, or JohnAZ lacks the necessary brain cells to perceive what it is that makes the game of soccer so very interesting and exciting. Chances are, the same lack of mental prowess renders him equally incapable of appreciating the quiet, subtle, exquisite pleasure of great Chess games.

          More likely he gets what little enjoyment there is for him in life by posting his profane and boring thoughts on a website read by a negligibly insignificant handful of equally bored people with nothing else meaningful in their lives going on. He’s a regular Eleanor Rigby of a guy, writing words that no one cares to hear.

    • James Hansen July 7, 2019 at 7:49 pm #

      Actually John, she is more patriotic than you, She sees all the injustices and problems Trump and the U.S. is causing in the world and she is rightfully drawing attention to those problems.

      You are a Love or Leave it kind of guy, I guess nothing the U.S. does should be criticized.

      • benr July 7, 2019 at 8:02 pm #

        In your opinion!
        She is damaging the women’s soccer brand and should be removed from the team.
        Just as you don’t have the right to talk for a company you work for UNLESS they hire you to do so.
        My guess is if she had said the same BS about Obama you would sing a different story.
        How ever I would not.
        Don’t like the President just don’t show up.

        • James Hansen July 7, 2019 at 9:13 pm #

          Unlike a lot of people I am not a partisan hack and you will never find me defending or supporting a politician only because they have a D after their name.

          Too bad for you that we still have freedom of speech.

      • JohnAZ July 7, 2019 at 8:19 pm #

        Liberal BS!

        This country is superior in its freedoms and care for the individual to any other country in the world. Go visit those lands before you criticize our country.

        Criticize all you want, but like all the other candy ass liberals, you do nothing about it.

        Including the witch leading the soccer team.