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Evil Syndicated

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     By now, everyone in that fraction of the world that pays attention to something other than American Idol and their platter of TGI Friday’s loaded potato skins knows that Goldman Sachs has been caught at another racket in the stock market: front-running trades. What a clever gambit, done with the help of the markets themselves – the Nasdaq in particular – in which information on trades is held back a fraction of a second from public view, while the data is shoveled to the computers of privileged subscribers who can execute zillions of programmed micro-trades before the rest of  the herd makes a move. This allows them to vacuum up hundreds of millions of dollars by doing absolutely nothing of value.  The old-fashioned method used by brokers was called “churning,” in which stocks were bought and sold incessantly (by phone) from the portfolios of inattentive clients merely to generate commissions.  In any sensible society – i.e. a society with an instinct for self-preservation – it would be against the law and the people doing it would be sent to prison.
    I’m not a lawyer, but I’ve got to think that the actions at the Nasdaq end – shoveling the data to the privileged subscribers a fraction of a second early – is patently illegal in the first place, since the whole purpose of an exchange is to create a fair trading space. Where both parties are concerned, it should amount to a plain vanilla criminal conspiracy to commit stock trading fraud. Maybe the larger question is: since when did we become a society lacking the instinct for self-preservation – that is, a society bent on suicide?  Or maybe the question is better put to Goldman Sachs’s CEO Lloyd Blankfein.
    Since this racket was made public, there has been chatter all over the Web about how angry the American public is about Wall Street in general, and increasingly about Goldman Sachs in particular.  Nobody has summed it up better than Rolling Stone’s Matt Taibbi, calling the company “…a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money.” And Taibbi’s fierce article about Goldman Sachs came out weeks before this latest outrage. As we turn the corner toward autumn, President Obama looks increasingly like a dupe, a tool, or a co-conspirator of Goldman Sachs.  If he doesn’t instruct the Justice Department to commence investigations of the company, and if he doesn’t dissociate himself from their alumni hanging around the White House, the Treasury Department, and elsewhere in the government, he’s going to become the object of an awful public wrath.  Obama has no other choice at this point except to clean house – to fire Larry Summers, Robert Rubin, Tim Geithner, and all other former Goldman Sachs employees in positions of power and influence around him.
     Actually, it’s not necessary for the whole general public to be fed up with this situation.  According to the Pareto 80-20 rule, it only takes one-fifth of the public to set social actions in motion, and only one-fifth of that one-fifth to do the heavy lifting.  I think we’ve reached that point.  The sentiment is now overwhelmingly tipped against Goldman Sachs (and Wall Street generally) and the only questions are whether the President of the US ends up lumped in with them, and whether we’ll see orderly prosecutions or disorderly persecutions.  At this point, it even begins to look as though Mr. Obama is taking cover behind the health care reform debate to avoid answering for his government’s association with Goldman Sachs.
    The trouble is, if the thoughtful and trustworthy members of the “Pareto 20 percent” don’t stir themselves into action over Goldman’s behavior, then sooner or later the thoughtless and reckless will take over.  Bill Moyers hosted a fascinating report on his most recent podcast about the savagery of right-wing broadcasting and how it had led, in one instance, to the murder of a doctor who performed abortions. What bothers me is that, sooner or later, the conduct of Goldman Sachs will lead the growing ranks of the unemployed, foreclosed, disentitled, and hopeless into the hands of a savage right wing seeking mindless vengeance, for instance, against “the Jews,” (as represented by Goldman Sachs), or brown-skinned people (as embodied by a vilified president).
    Readers of this blog know I’m allergic to conspiracy theories. But surveying the scene out there, it is hard to not conclude that Goldman Sachs has become the “front-runner” of a criminal syndicate defrauding US taxpayers.  This isn’t the first time in American history that business veered into extremely antisocial behavior on the grand scale.  The last quarter of the 19th century was just as bad, with frauds, swindles, sociopathic trusts, and predatory corporations preying on people trying desperately to make an honest living.  Then, one summer day in 1901, a factory drone named Leon Czolgosz stepped up to President William McKinley in a reception line at the Buffalo World’s Fair and plugged him twice in the abdomen. (Czolgosz liked to think of himself as an “anarchist,” a then-fashionable ideology among the simmering powerless.) Eight days later, McKinley expired and Teddy Roosevelt became president – to the extreme chagrin of the Republican business establishment – “… now that damned cowboy is in the White House!” cried Republican national leader Mark Hanna of Ohio.
    He was correct to be nervous.  TR turned the corporate world upside down with reform, from dismantling monopolies to establishing the cabinet departments of Commerce and Labor, to bringing the new food industry under regulation.  This naturally leads me to wonder if or when Barack Obama will have his TR Moment, when he stands up to the large malign forces operating arrantly in the daily life of this nation.  I get volumes of email complaining about Mr. Obama.  The writers behind them seem, on the whole, crankish, cynical to an extreme, and not very trustworthy observers of the scene. But I begin to sympathize with them.
    In the meantime, the US economy gives the illusion of recovery – but to what?  Back to a “consumer” credit card shopping orgy?  Another house-buying fiesta? I don’t think so.  Households are drowning in debt.  They’re using their credit cards, if they still can, to buy staple foods.  Those are the lucky ones who still have lines of credit left.  Soon, many of these families won’t even amount to households because they won’t have a house.  There is absolutely no way we are going back to that particular bubble economy.  The only bubble left is the government debt bubble, now leading to such extravagant excess that it can only end up wrecking the government, and perhaps American society with it.  In the meantime, how much remaining wealth is Goldman Sachs and its cohorts vacuuming off the floor?
    Also meanwhile, oil is heading back to the $70 range (with the dollar shedding basis points).  That’s the oil price range where the economy begins to get wrecked all over again – that is, whatever remains of the economy.  That’s the price range where airlines go back to the intensive care unit and citizens have to max out their credit cards to buy gasoline.  We’re moving toward a very hard landing and very soon.
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449 Responses to “Evil Syndicated”

  1. Dave Eriqat July 27, 2009 at 11:10 am #

    Since Mr. Obama was installed in office by the very types of people who run and associate with GS, I seriously doubt he’ll turn on them and bite the hands that have fed him so far.
    Dave – Erstwhile Urban Wanderer

  2. Johnny Rico July 27, 2009 at 11:24 am #

    Obama clean house? Oh, that’s frickin hilarious. You and asoka should have voted for McSame and Sarah Barracuda. But you were too smart for the rest of us, weren’t you?
    If I wanted another 4 years of Bush, I would have voted for him.
    But you must love what Hillary is doing on the Foreign Policy front. Bomb, Bomb, Bomb… Bomb, Bomb Iran.

  3. asoka July 27, 2009 at 11:25 am #

    Obama has already appointed Kenneth Feinberg to review the 100 highest-paid execs at Citi, BofA, AIG, General Motors, Chrysler, Chrysler Financial and GMAC Financial Services. Since they have pay contracts and since Obama is not a dictator or a socialist, it will be difficult to do anything about exorbitant pay arrangements of bailed out company execs.

  4. TedC July 27, 2009 at 11:25 am #

    When people (rightly!) perceive that the jury box is no longer an effective remedy to this sort of thievery, they will naturally move to the ammo box as the next logical step.
    Goldman has screwed over plenty of little people in the past, which they never had to worry about. Now it has become obvious that they have screwed over other ‘Players’ on their level as well. Not all these people will play nice, and I hope that at least one of them will hire contractors to get their measure of justice.
    Goodbye, Fu*@ers…
    It’s time for the pitchforks and torches!

  5. PeteF July 27, 2009 at 11:34 am #

    “What bothers me is that, sooner or later, the conduct of Goldman Sachs will lead the growing ranks of the unemployed, foreclosed, disentitled, and hopeless into the hands of a savage right wing seeking mindless vengeance”
    C’mon Jim. I know us savage right-wingers are a favorite target of yours, but what about a “savage left-winger”? I seem to recall a fella named Lenin who went a long way on mindless vengeance.

  6. Dystopic July 27, 2009 at 11:43 am #

    70% of the volume trading on the stock market is 5 companies selling stocks back and forth between each other through “quant trading.” Each of these companies is related to each other through various ways they have “invested” in or directly own parts of each other. Some speculate this is how the PPT has been working to prop up markets. The idea is to pump and dump and leave the public to hold the bag. In other words, because they are propping up the market, Goldman will know when to short themselves and profit, because they will know when the crash is coming. Should be about the time the bonuses are safely in their pockets. They have done it before, shorted themselves when the housing crisis started.
    This website called ZeroHedge has been “front running” the takedown of Goldman.
    Worth your time to poke around. Some of the reading is kinda heavy, but you can get the hang of most of it after a bit.
    I am so glad to see Kunstler taking this on.

  7. wagelaborer July 27, 2009 at 11:44 am #

    “As we turn the corner toward autumn, President Obama looks increasingly like a dupe, a tool, or a co-conspirator of Goldman Sachs.”
    I guess I’m just cynical to an extreme, but I knew last autumn, when McCain and Obama BOTH interrupted their campaigns to rush to Wash, DC and vote for a bailout bill that 99% of the country opposed, that President Obama is a dupe and a tool and a co-conspirator of Goldman Sachs.
    You could also just look at his campaign finance records and draw the same conclusion.
    Are we to be surprised weekly at the perfidy of Obama? At some point, is it not to be expected?

  8. bahmi July 27, 2009 at 11:44 am #

    Jim is typically benign when discussing O!bama. Like, the guy is merely an innocent bystander left with such a mess by W. Tsk, tsk. Obama’s “handling” of the Cambridge cop situation is typical Obama. Now, this freak thinks he will be the peacemaker? Hey, he’s part of the problem and is trying to appeal to Sgt. Crowley’s sense of nationalism?? Obama is a disgrace, an affirmative action dope who paid 900 grand to hide something about his academic record and his origins….but, some folks still softpedal the issues and wish to blame those nasty right wingers. How touching!
    Obama thought taking money for his campaign was merely a one way deal. Never figured the playerz would want anything back….well, it’s pay back time, Barry.

  9. Consultant July 27, 2009 at 11:44 am #

    “Goldman Sachs has become the “front-runner” of a criminal syndicate defrauding US taxpayers”
    Absolutely. Along with BOA and host of other “financial” institutions. Most of them have gone gangster.
    And our politicians. Most of them, so easily bought and sold.
    The right wingers out here. Most (okay, all) of you are a bunch of fakes, shills, hypocrites (see our politicians).
    If Obama launched a war against Wall St., you’d be up in arms talking about why is he attacking free enterprise.
    My question is, “Why do you hate this country so much?” “Why do you love Al Quiada?” And, other than her butt, what IS IT that you like about Sarah Palin?
    Okay Mutt & Jeff, Weebo & Bobo, go at it.

  10. david mathews July 27, 2009 at 11:45 am #

    No doubt about it, America is presently enjoying a false recovery just as Europe enjoyed a false war before the actual onset of World War II. For a brief moment it seems as the collapse has been prevented but eventually the collapse will begin again and not stop until our civilization is thoroughly destroyed.
    It may take a while, it can take as long as it wishes, but technological civilization has already suffered its mortal wound and there is only one outcome.
    I say: Civilization may do whatever it wishes, but I will continue doing whatever I wish:
    Oh, and one more point: Someone should tell those folks at The Oil Drum that they really need to create more graphs. The Peak Oil movement is suffering from a severe graph deficiency.

  11. marksmith1981 July 27, 2009 at 11:47 am #

    Just wanted to say hi Jim and commentors, from your friends and readers over here in merrye olde england (or USA-lite, as we have been since thatcher set us up and blair completed the deal)
    Us brits also hoped that Obama was different and would sort out the rotten core at the heart of so much of what we do as a society. However, those of us not still transfixed by his shiny media portrayal (many people see that in itself as a worrying indicator) are more than a little concerned by some of his appointments – and as someone points out above, if you take a look at his campaign funding, can we really expect him to be tough on the wall street boys?
    I’m still trying to cling on to the hope that hes got some sort of secret master plan – how much rope do the banksters need????
    And whats with the perpetual war? I realise you cant change the course of a global empire – with all of its entrenched, powerful interests – overnight, but you could at least make a start? Again, hoping the support for isreal and expansion of af-pak conflict is serving some sort of wider purpose and all will become clear in time, but for God’s sake Barack – we are KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE in these wars. I cannot express in words how wrong this is, and can only pray that their deaths serve the interests of humanity – although thats not much consolation to the mothers without sons, and the children without parents….
    I got this feeling at his inauguration that this finally was a good man, a wise man, who was capable of steering the ship of Western Civilization on the right, just and good course. Everything since then suggests I was mistaken. im still praying thats not the case.
    C’mon Obama – yes you can!

  12. david mathews July 27, 2009 at 11:47 am #

    Hello Bahmi,
    * “Obama is a disgrace, an affirmative action dope who paid 900 grand to hide something about his academic record and his origins….”
    Oh, God, an uneducated conservative bigot. How soon is Rush Limbaugh on, fool?
    The conservatives should stop complaining about Affirmative Action since they are going to need it soon considering how their political viewpoint is a quickly dying extremist minority of bitter white uneducated fools.

  13. bahmi July 27, 2009 at 11:50 am #

    So, disagreeing with the Consultant means we are country rubes and dweebs, huh? Stupid right wingers. You, obviously have the answers. By the way, are you Barry’s brother who lives in a cardboard box back in Kenya? Get a life, goofball.

  14. marksmith1981 July 27, 2009 at 11:52 am #

    Forgot to say, way to go Matt Taibibi – anyone not reading him should be. Check out Max Keiser as well.
    If im not mistaken even Paul Krugman has said GS and Wall Street are hurting America.
    Check out Simon Johnson in the Atlantic as well for a credible and slightly different take.
    Keep up the good work Jim, its not just your fellow americans who need you, the rest of the world does too. God bless you

  15. bahmi July 27, 2009 at 11:53 am #

    Why don’t you tell Oil Drum they need more graphs? Cat got your tongue? Eating your lunch of algae pie smothered in garden compost this morning?

  16. supertree July 27, 2009 at 11:57 am #

    I like JHK because he’s good at critical thinking, like Noam Chomsky, George Carlin, James Lovelock, Lester Brown, Zeitgeist Addendum, Terrence Mckenna, Ralph Nader, etc..
    All our institutions lack values and merit and have failed miserably. Everything could break down quickly and easily due to our hubris, mind control, and anthropomorphism.
    Culture exists for the sake of culture and the institutions culture supports. That’s why the educational system is designed to keep the American people ignorant and not unified – building what we actually need.
    The culture of the alpha type who makes a lot of money parasitically as a CEO, banker, lawyer, corporate fascist, and our considered by conformists a success, need to be put under some kind of pressure, let alone the teacher or the newspaper that just sucks from the corporate tit and never hires or promotes creativity.
    The culture of not being able to be hyper-critical to your neighbor or boss for believing in squirrely things that don’t have a snowflakes chance in hell at being real – like religion – need to be held accountable. We have to change culture among the people.
    The top has too much power if the bottom isn’t unified with critical thinking. Clearly business as usual is a bullet to the head. There is no future, the resources are being squandered, and the freedom to get outside the corporate matrix is too limited without unified thinking and action of some kind.
    The people running things are the least among us. Their safe haven gated community is soon to be shared with the displaced polar bear and homeless family. Sure their souls are transparent to the people who see through an informed lens, but they like us will never evolve as a species unless we put them under pressure to do the best things for the right reasons. They are our neighbors and we should know who they are and how they make their money – thanks JHK.
    Chomsky warns us to notice the use of language. If the horseshit says they’re socializing the banks they’re privatizing them even more and enslaving you with more debt. When have banks or the fed reserve been public or the elections real? When have we been encouraged to be self-sufficient from government? We need to defend the constitution? What defense has the constitution had against a few white men owning and controlling everything with savage incompetence?
    Thanks James and everyone for trying – pardon for the rant.

  17. david mathews July 27, 2009 at 12:04 pm #

    Hello Bahmi,
    * “Why don’t you tell Oil Drum they need more graphs? Cat got your tongue? ”
    Those fools should know that they need more graphs. The Peak Oil movement is the most graph-dependent political movement in the history of civilization.
    Of course, those conservatives spent a long time crying about Barack Obama and they celebrate that JHK has soured on the man. Anyone who imagines that Barack Obama could save the USA or make any fundamental change to the economy of thsi nation is a fool.
    Barack Obama inherited a mess and there isn’t any reason to imagine that he could miraculously transform this mess into a healthy country in six months or eight years. The USA had already suffered its mortal blow before Barack Obama took office.
    JHK can stop crying about Barack Obama. There’s a reason why Barack Obama is president and JHK is not.

  18. seb July 27, 2009 at 12:06 pm #

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  19. den111 July 27, 2009 at 12:09 pm #

    “As we turn the corner toward autumn, President Obama looks increasingly like a dupe, a tool, or a co-conspirator of Goldman Sachs.”
    OH MY GOD!
    Next you will be making antisemetic post!
    Welcome to the Dark Side Jim:)!

  20. hillwalker July 27, 2009 at 12:09 pm #

    Well James;
    I honestly don’t expect anyone or any group of ‘anyones’ to do anything at all about GS/wall street.
    Not a thing.
    The public outrage is just that. it’s the public at large, and I don’t see anything being done on their behalf.
    I’m quite disappointed in Obama over this, but honestly, not terribly surprised.

  21. MonkeyMuffins July 27, 2009 at 12:11 pm #

    I’m reminded of a recent editorial by James Pinkerton, “Obama’s 100 Days: Wall Street Crowd Makes His Administration Like Grant’s

  22. marksmith1981 July 27, 2009 at 12:11 pm #

    “Barack Obama inherited a mess and there isn’t any reason to imagine that he could miraculously transform this mess into a healthy country in six months or eight years. ”
    Lord knows that true, but I had hoped he could make a start on the job…
    “The USA had already suffered its mortal blow before Barack Obama took office.”
    That may or may not be true, but there are still a heck of a lot of people on the landmass currently known as the USA and they collectively play a large role on the human stage. I hope they along with the rest of us will see a brighter future when the current stormy clouds pass…

  23. montsegur July 27, 2009 at 12:14 pm #

    “CHICAGO – Several Midwest governors are meeting in Chicago to talk high-speed trains.
    Eight Midwest states have cooperated closely for months to promote a regional high-speed rail network with Chicago as its hub.
    Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn and other governors attending what’s billed as a Midwest High Speed Rail Summit are expected to lobby again Monday for a cut of $8 billion in federal stimulus cash for such projects.
    Competition for the money is stiff. Officials say 40 states have submitted 278 plans totaling $102 billion for federal rail funding.”
    More at http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-il-midwestrail,0,2475530.story
    Hell, I’d settle for plain old-fashioned rail. Doesn’t have to be high speed.

  24. spencer July 27, 2009 at 12:15 pm #

    It’s beginning to dawn on people that Obama is just a lot more of the same. See him as SuperBush at thenothingstore.com

  25. david mathews July 27, 2009 at 12:20 pm #

    Hello Mark Smith,
    * “Lord knows that true, but I had hoped he could make a start on the job… ”
    God, are you just stupid or merely not reading the news?
    Conservatives are all bitter because they lost. Conservatives had unreasonable expectations from the start.
    The United States of America did not fundamentally change with President Barack Obama took office. The problems of this world did not disappear and our civilization’s death spiral did not stop simply because the fool went back to Texas.
    President Obama hasn’t cured cancer yet or discovered the Higgs boson yet, either.
    Some problems are bigger than the United States of America, you know …

  26. david mathews July 27, 2009 at 12:25 pm #

    Hello Spenser,
    * “It’s beginning to dawn on people that Obama is just a lot more of the same. See him as SuperBush … ”
    If this was really the case the conservatives wouldn’t be such bitter weepy people.
    JHK was irrational if he imagined that Goldman Sachs’ survival wasn’t guaranteed since the beginning of this crisis (yeah, back when George W. Bush was president). Goldman Sachs has thoroughly enmeshed itself into the power centers of the government for a reason.
    To imagine that Barack Obama would remove Goldman Sachs from power and allow that company to die is to imagine that Barack Obama would walk on water and raise the dead.
    Politics is different from idealism for a reason, JHK.

  27. Mike in Albany July 27, 2009 at 12:26 pm #

    Jim and everybody:
    When the Medicaid law was first enacted in the 1960s, it was assumed that people with disabilities could not live independently. The law requires all states to provide funding to put people into nursing homes, but there is no requirement that a state must help people with assistance in their own homes. Many new innovations in technology and public policy have made it possible for people with disabilities to be independent. Institutional placement is costing the taxpayers far more money than community-based services. Despite campaign promises to the contrary, the new president has resisted our efforts to change the Medicaid law. While you, the taxpayer, are being bilked, ordinary citizens are having their lives literally stolen. It must change now!

  28. Loveandlight July 27, 2009 at 12:28 pm #

    For weeks now you have seemed on the verge of pouring out the Barack Obama blue, blue Kool-Aid, but like me just before the election, you really don’t want to do so because of all the middle-class liberal brainwashing about how “you just have to vote for the Democrats” shouting in your head. But I made myself flush that nasty Kool-Aid down the toilet and protest-voted for Cynthia McKinney (yes, a meaningless act, but our mainstream choices were even more meaningless), and I know I am a better and more aware person for having done so. You can do it, too, Jim, I know you can. I try not to be a crank, but when you live in society as profoundly morally-bankrupt and narcissistic as the USA, even the crassest cynicism is highly appropriate.
    Knowing the American Left as well as I do, it is extremely unlikely that it would produce a political figure as brilliant, hard-nosed, and brutally ruthless as Vladmir Ilyich Ulyanov.

  29. marksmith1981 July 27, 2009 at 12:29 pm #

    Hello David Mathews
    I am stupid, but not just stupid. And I do read the news, from as many sources as I can.
    Dont give a rats arse about conservatives, liberals or any other cheap n’ easy label arbitarily applied to a large group of people in order, mainly, to categorise, divide and obfuscate
    I agree that nothing changed in the USA and the wider world with Obamas inauguration. I merely hoped it would start too from that point – maybe im guilty of believing the campaign rhetoric, im sure he mentioned change at some points…
    Some problems are bigger than the USA, agreed, indeed the only ones im interested in are. But many of them involve the US, and as this blog is kinda centered on american politics….

  30. bronorb July 27, 2009 at 12:30 pm #

    Great column, Jim and interesting comments by everyone as usual.
    If you are all waiting for the masses to take up pitchforks and storm the castle, forget about it. Have you ever tried to explain any of this shit to the uninformed? It’s a waste of time.
    As long as a small minority can keep functioning like things are “kinda-sorta” normal, the rest of the population still has HOPE.

  31. Butch July 27, 2009 at 12:35 pm #

    There are no right wing extremists that we need to worry about…a convient scape goat for the left…most right wingers as folks like to call them are conservatives that actually understand economics and cause and effect.
    The mortgage markets are now run by the government…housing is in shambles and getting worse…imagine medicine run the same way…you have to be kidding…
    If you own a home and are trying to sell it, you can not refinance…(real stupid government rule), if you need to borrow more than X to refinance you can not do it (real stupid governemt rule)…the list goes on and on…just try it.. most of the housing problem would go away if
    1) banks were told to make mortgage loans and carry the paper vs. selling it to the government…or lose their charter…
    2) the government got out of running the nations mortgage market
    3) existing mortages could be re-worked to help borrowers…(the large mortage processors said that was to complicated and they could not do it…small ones are doing it…surprising NPR had a great show on it
    most of this is plain old government incompetentence (no penalty for poor performance) coupled with a failure of our elected leaders to understand the consequences of letting the government run everything…GM ..what a joke
    we are doooommmmeddd….folks need to get real real mad and soon…I am afraid we are going to see things get a lot worse..

  32. marksmith1981 July 27, 2009 at 12:40 pm #

    btw loveandlight, way to go voting for mckinney – be proud of it. Less of a wasted vote than about 95% of your fellow voters…

  33. MisterCS July 27, 2009 at 12:43 pm #

    …This naturally leads me to wonder if or when Barack Obama will have his TR Moment…
    The way things are going, Obama will be lucky not to have a McKinley moment.

  34. cowswithguns July 27, 2009 at 12:46 pm #

    I think the reason why we haven’t seen the first Moltov cocktail thrown into a Goldman Sucks [America’s Treasury Dry] office is because of the 401k. By getting the American middle class — which generally has no business in the stock market — to buy into the 401k over the past 15 years or so, the Goldman Sucks of the world have made us complicit in their scam.
    The 401k-fretting masses are still somehow convinced that the 401k will make them all rich one day. So when they hear of Goldman Sucks’ profits rising, they’re happy, even though they’re being screwed by the Goldman blood funnel.
    But when the masses find out the 401k is just another Ponzi scheme, the anger will bubble to the surface. Hopefully, as JHK points out, it won’t be directed at the wrong people.

  35. marksmith1981 July 27, 2009 at 12:55 pm #

    “But when the masses find out the 401k is just another Ponzi scheme, the anger will bubble to the surface”
    great comment cowswithguns, too many people with too much buy-in to the system. But if people dont realise that by now, they wont realise it till theyre turfed out of their house and kicked out on to the streets. And in the meantime, the tent cities are growing and innocent lives are being ended and destroyed around the world…

  36. CMike July 27, 2009 at 12:56 pm #

    James Kunstler wrote:
    Obama has no other choice at this point except to clean house – to fire Larry Summers, Robert Rubin, Tim Geithner, and all other former Goldman Sachs employees in positions of power and influence around him.
    That sentence needs a little work. Robert Rubin is retired; Larry Summers did receive a large speaking fee from Goldman-Sachs but he was never an employee of the company; nor was Tim Geithner ever a GS employee. It’s easy enough to come up with a list of former Goldman employees currently holding high positions in government, but the names of those three won’t be on it.

  37. Nick Allen July 27, 2009 at 1:04 pm #

    You can attack the cheez doodles, the wal mart junk and the boutique garbage – but leave loaded potato skins alone… technically that’s like recycling!
    I don’t see Obama having a TR moment. He’s weak. My voting for him has become an item of some regret (if there were any better choices on the final ballot, I would have taken them). I think history will put him down in the same class as Hoover, all talk and no show.

  38. Johnny Rico July 27, 2009 at 1:06 pm #

    Gates’ 911, radio tapes to be released
    ‘Tapes will speak for themselves,’ Cambridge police chief says

    Associated Press
    updated 16 minutes ago
    BOSTON – Copies of the 911 call and radio dispatches made during the controversial arrest of black Harvard scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. will be released shortly, police in Cambridge, Mass., said Monday.
    Police Commissioner Robert Haas told reporters that the “tapes will speak for themselves,” when asked if police should have done anything differently.
    The call led to the arrest of Gates on a disorderly conduct charge, and a resulting national debate about racial profiling.
    Gates’ supporters called his arrest by Sgt. James Crowley an outrageous act of racial profiling. Crowley’s supporters say Gates was belligerent and race was not a factor in his arrest.
    The caller who reported a possible break-in at Gates’ home did not mention race in the call, according to a statement issued Sunday by her attorney and backed up by Haas.
    Lucia Whalen placed the call to police July 16, saying she saw two men on Gates’ front porch who appeared to be eating watermelon and picking banjos. The call led to the arrest of Gates by Cambridge police on a disorderly conduct charge, and a resulting national debate about racial profiling.
    In the statement by attorney Wendy Murphy, Whalen — who has not spoken publicly — said she only saw the backs of the two men and did not know their race when she made the call. Murphy said Whalen, who works nearby, called because she had been aware of recent break-ins in the area and wanted to correct “misinformation” suggesting that she placed the call because the men on the porch were black.
    “Contrary to published reports that a ‘white woman’ called 911 (police) and reported seeing ‘two black men’ trying to gain entry into Mr. Gates home, the woman, who has olive colored skin and is of Portuguese descent, told the 911 operator that she observed ‘two men’ at the home,” Murphy’s statement read.
    urphy said Whalen has been very upset by news reports she believes have unfairly depicted her as a racist.
    “She doesn’t live in the area. She is by no means the entitled white neighbor … That has been the theme in the blogs and the implication in some of the mainstream news media,” Murphy said in a phone interview Monday.
    She didn’t know their race, and it’s very clear that she called not because of what they looked like but because of what they were doing.”
    Haas said Whalen, after questioning by the dispatcher during the call, speculated that one of the men — who turned out to be Gates and a black car service driver — may have been Hispanic.
    “It was very clear that she wasn’t sure what the men’s race was,” Haas said in an interview with The Boston Globe Sunday night.
    The commissioner acknowledged that in the police report the caller is said to have observed “what appeared to be two black males” on the porch, but he said the report was a summary and not necessarily based on the initial call.
    The disorderly conduct charge was dropped, but interest in the case intensified when President Barack Obama said at a White House news conference that Cambridge police “acted stupidly” in arresting Gates.
    Obama later sought to tamp down the uproar. He spoke to Crowley and Gates during separate telephone calls Friday and declared that Crowley was a good man.
    Meantime, the White House says plans are under way for the police officer and professor at the center of a racial controversy to join Obama for a beer.
    Spokesman Robert Gibbs says he hopes Crowley and Gates will have a drink with the president this week.

  39. Jeff July 27, 2009 at 1:12 pm #

    Beyond front running, or any other particular practice in which Goldman has engaged, they have provided us with another object lesson that large complex systems, however productive they may appear, are in fact fragile and susceptible to catastrophic failure.
    In various forms, that is the simple warning common to such seemingly disparate writers as “Small is Beautiful” economist E.F. Schumacher, local foods advocate/monoculture critic Michael Pollan, climate change writer and activist Bill McKibben, among many others, stretching back in American history perhaps to Thomas Jefferson.
    The problem is a self-reinforcing one in at least two ways because: 1) the concentration of wealth which it produces also distorts the political system which might be used to change it; and 2) the influence in that political system can be used to horde benefits to the Goldman’s of the world while spreading the costs to everyone else.

  40. Kit July 27, 2009 at 1:30 pm #

    Jim, I hope you do something on apartment dwellers; a large part of the population lives in them.
    In my area, the owners of buildings are still increasing the rent as though the economy is healthy, and behaving in unscrupulous ways toward tenants who’ve been their so long that an increase will still net them less than what they can get from a new tenant. The worst ones are every bit as bad as the Wall Street sharks… and the hardship they’re causing so many families is not on the news.

  41. Mark Ancona July 27, 2009 at 1:35 pm #

    The recovery you mentioned near the end of this piece is illusory at best. The Dow is no longer an indicator of our nations health, as it has been subverted from it’s previous platform of free and fair trade vehicle to the plaything of a few well positioned investment houses. The rest of the players are just dupes, used to increase the profit margin of the elite. In my world, we have 16 or 17 percent unemployment, our state government [Florida] is broke and looking for new and wonderful ways to bleed the productive workers that remain of the money they need to keep all of the government employees working and receiving benefits [that the average worker only dreams of]. Since we all know that government jobs are sacrosanct, we must all dig deeper and give the state what they need to keep all of those state workers fat and happy.
    What a complete load of shit. I reached my tipping point a long time ago, when the California legislature decided to eliminate home care for the elderly and infirm, rather than cut some of the benefits given to state workers and knock down some of the fat pensions that the 7.00 and hour burger king hamburger flippers pay for.
    What is coming our way is very dark indeed.
    The unions in this country and state workers are going to be on the receiving end of severe backlash from the people, as they are asked to pay more and more to support those who have significantly more in the way of benefits and job security than the average Joe.
    Wait for it, it’s coming……and that right soon!

  42. turkle July 27, 2009 at 1:44 pm #

    RE: Goldman Sachs
    Those guys don’t care about anything but making money for themselves. They will do it using any crazy, semi-illegal scheme that they can cook up. Shorting their own positions, loans to their own companies, creating bubbles, etc. It is quite disappointing that Obama hasn’t brought down the big stick on these financial gansters. They are just begging to be slapped down. A nice round of bank busting would clear the air, methinks. But he doesn’t have the cajones, though I think the political backing is there, from all the anger I hear from people these days on that topic. I guess the thinking was, “Hey, the banks are broken…let’s fix health care?”. Shrug. I don’t even pretend to understand DC these days. I think that basically the financial industry owns the politicians from pumping money into their campaigns funds and what-not. The Federal Reserve is basically nothing more than a committee of private banks, so I don’t think we can possibly expect reform coming from them.
    bahmi, Obama wasn’t really an affirmative action candidate. In other words, I don’t believe most people chose him over McCain because of Obama’s race. I think it had more to do with the opposition being questionable. McCain is too damn old and senile and (arguably) has a few screws loose (one too many torture sessions I guess). From the interviews and things I saw of him, something just seemed, well, a bit off, and he aped Bush on too many issues to come across as a credible alternative. Palin I shouldn’t need to say much about. Journalism major who can’t name one paper or magazine she reads…m’k, even the hoi polloi can see she ain’t exactly the brightest bulb in the box.
    Hillary would probably have won. Had the Democrats nominated an intelligent golden retriever with a black lab VP, the beotches would have given the Repubs a run for their money. It had more to do with disgust for Bush’s administration than anything particularly great about Obama.
    Though Obama is, IMHO, an excellent public speaker, and he ran a very good (mostly grassroots) campaign. He had to promise a lot of things that he couldn’t possibly deliver, which is something all presidential candidates seem compelled to do these days. I think he really went overboard with the ch-ch-ch-changes. In that way, he’s set himself up for disappointment and failure, because there is no way he can possibly deliver on his promises given the current budget deficits, the political climate, and the hopelessly porky and corrupt culture in Washington.
    And for someone who promised “change” in so many areas, he’s stepping lightly in certain areas that desperately need to be reformed, e.g. the financial sector, the bloated US military budget, etc.
    I don’t think he’s as bad as some people seem to think, though. The guy could have made tons of money as a lawyer, and yet he went into social activism. He is an obviously intelligent person who seems to be genuinely concerned about this country. But I think we expect too much. The president in the Constitution has a very modest role, yet people seem to expect the president to be a super human quasi-dictator able to solve all the nation’s problems with the wave of a magic wand. Sorry, it ain’t going to happen.

  43. Ed Nauseum July 27, 2009 at 2:09 pm #

    “eating watermelon and picking banjos”
    hahaha …

  44. Andy Williams July 27, 2009 at 2:20 pm #

    Greetings for this week from sunny Wales in the UK. Very interesting about Goldman-Sachs. We had a Parliamentary Investigation by the Treasury Select Commiteee. This is a group of MPs (senators) drawn from across the political divide who’s job it is to question relevant peronalities publicly and demand answers. (In USA a Senate Investigation or something like that I think). Interestingly, part of the evidence that was been submitted is this – ‘the largest heist in history’.
    (warning – it is definately not for the faint-hearted)
    Althouh it’s very well written and explained, the politicians have obviously decided it’s electorally unacceptable and thus have not only ignored, but hand in hand with the banks are carrying out the exact opposite.
    You really couldn’t make it up.
    Anyways fellow travellers, see you all next week.

  45. zzzzzz July 27, 2009 at 2:20 pm #

    “The guy could have made tons of money as a lawyer, and yet he went into social activism.”
    What a sacrifice! He gave it all up to become the President. And guess what? Before its all over he’ll make “tons of money”. (See Clinton, William Jefferson)

  46. george July 27, 2009 at 2:23 pm #

    Any talk of a recovery here in Detroit is nothing more than a huge pernicious lie. All you have to do is watch the first five minutes of HBO’s hung to know that the rust belt is in the midst of a shit storm of epic proportions.

  47. turkle July 27, 2009 at 2:41 pm #

    Obama does not appear to be the type of person who is primarily motivated by making gobs of money or even accumulating many material possessions. He owns one fairly modest home in Chicago. His family dresses in cheap J. Crew clothes that anyone can buy. As a highly skilled lawyer, there are far better and less circuitous ways of making out like a bandit than being president. And didn’t his wife make more money than him until recently?
    And who said Obama is “sacrificing” anything? Far from it. I was just pointing out that people who think Obama is primarily driven by making money are misreading him. I think he is far more motivated by his desire to be a “great president” along the lines of FDR, which is a whole nother thing. You know, the whole riding in to save the day deal. IMHO, he won’t be successful with that wish, but we shall see.
    I think he’s also into the whole prestige/power trip, and he likes to travel around with his family in style and see places like France. (sweet deal, that)
    Bush seemed a lot more motivated by helping out companies connected to his family (e.g. Carlyle), and he also came into office as a millionaire. Bush seemed rather awkward to me, like a kid giving a poorly prepared presentation in speech class, and Obama seems pretty comfortable (too much so!).
    Not that Obama is some shining, er, white knight, but there are other things in this world that motivate people besides money. It is just you projecting to assume that he’s mostly interested in making money.

  48. Danm July 27, 2009 at 2:50 pm #

    Czolgosz gave the green light. The US was ready for change.
    Americans still have not given Obama the Green light.

  49. Which is worse - bankers or terrorists July 27, 2009 at 2:54 pm #

    I love how the Goldman Sachs Financial Terrorist Crimes Syndicate paid their US government bailout money back at a 23% return. What an artificial (not too high, not too low) number that looked like it came out of a business school case study.
    I guess part of the problem, like all criminal organizations with expertise in fraud and money laundering, is where to put all of the money you make. So why not pay back the taxpayer with an arbitrary return?
    I suppose paying it back is really just moving money from one department of the federal government to another.

  50. turkle July 27, 2009 at 2:57 pm #

    “What a sacrifice! He gave it all up to become the President. And guess what? Before its all over he’ll make “tons of money”. (See Clinton, William Jefferson)”
    zsazsa/OEO is that you?
    I seem to recall you chastising anyone who criticized Bush as having some kind of syndrome, so ain’t it just a bit hypocritical for you to be on here all the time dumping on Obama?
    Especially considering Obama hasn’t done anything really rash yet like preemptive invasion or saying it would be easier if he were the dictator, you know, stuff like that.

  51. zzzzzz July 27, 2009 at 2:58 pm #

    “It is just you projecting to assume that he’s mostly interested in making money.”
    What a fucking MORON. You set him up as some kind of saint. You mention he could have made tons of money, blah, blah, blah but….. But fucking what? His community organizer gig was a short term move to parlay into a run for office. And if not, why is he still not in the trenches doing “community organizing work”?
    Now I’m assuming “that he’s mostly interested in making money”? Hardly. I just pointed out that he is going to end up a wealthy man. You want to argue he could have lawyered his way to a larger fortune? Be my guest but I know a hell of a lot of attorneys that have a hell of a lot less money than Bill Clinton.
    One final point. You state, “I think he is far more motivated by his desire to be a “great president” along the lines of FDR, which is a whole nother thing. You know, the whole riding in to save the day deal.”
    I would much rather have Mr. Obama interested in making a ton of money doing just about anything than in “riding in to save the day”. Do you honestly think that Warren Buffett’s actions could impact the world in the same way Barack Obama’s could? We don’t need some guy just chomping at the bit to save the day. Those types are dangerous.

  52. zzzzzz July 27, 2009 at 3:07 pm #

    “I seem to recall you chastising anyone who criticized Bush as having some kind of syndrome…”
    Nope. Criticism based on facts is fair game. Bush Derangement Syndrome was a condition of irrational ramblings fueled by a white hot hate of all things Bush.
    Sorry but I don’t hate Obama and you, silly boy, could not do or say anything that would change that fact.

  53. asoka July 27, 2009 at 3:09 pm #

    danm said: “Americans still have not given Obama the Green light.”
    Such a short memory. Obama was given the green light in November when he defeated McCain/Palin. Americans did not want another four years of Bush and that is what McCain/Palin represented. They did not want another four years of Clinton, and that is what Hillary represented.
    Americans made the correct choice among the viable candidates.
    Ron Paul and Ralph Nader were not viable candidates.

  54. Metzengerstein July 27, 2009 at 3:13 pm #

    I wish the President would rise up and do something. But even if he wants to (a big if), it’s going to be difficult now that he has let Sargeant Crowley and the Massachusetts Police Unions slap him around. What chance would he have with Goldman Sachs?

  55. wwrafter1 July 27, 2009 at 3:23 pm #

    Some time ago JHK put a link to Of Two Minds http://www.oftwominds.com/blogapr09/obamas-secret-plan04-09.html This article is worth another read.
    If Obama is to remain credible now that the bankers have been identified as swine it is time to strike.
    Obama would have public support in numbers he could only imagine. he could purge his admin and demand a congressional probe.
    This is his Obama’s Warren G Harding moment a chance to go down in the history books as one term failure that allows the crooks to fleece our country or a great president.
    The next step would be would he rally the country to buy more or to build a new nation.
    I can dream and I realise that future will be interesting but nothing like the past.
    We have lived through an epoch in history.
    Everyone at this site is old enough to remember some good from so many years.
    If your share of history is the last thirty or so years gluttony and sloth seemed to be the prevailing themes. This is the end of the empire as we knew it. Our fore fathers wanted a democratic republic. Unfortunately they chose capitalism as the reigning economic scheme.
    Capitalism flourished but it sucked the living daylights out of the country, its populace, and now it is sucking the life out of itself.
    Instead of worrying about the last of the greedy they will consume themselves. Other should be worrying about how we humans can sustain ourselves in the future. Leonard Cohen’s song The Future “Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
    Won’t be nothing
    Nothing you can measure anymore

  56. Danm July 27, 2009 at 3:27 pm #

    I love how the Goldman Sachs Financial Terrorist Crimes Syndicate paid their US government bailout money back at a 23% return. What an artificial (not too high, not too low) number that looked like it came out of a business school case study
    If the economy did not grow and interest rates are at 0% how could they make 23%? Somebody had to lose money somewhere. Whose money did they take?
    Suppose they made 46% and they are giving back half. The 46% probably came form the taxpayers in the first place!

  57. zzzzzz July 27, 2009 at 3:31 pm #

    “I wish the President would rise up and do something.”
    Where have you been? He has risen up and he has done plenty. You should be wishing that he sit back down and do nothing.

  58. Danm July 27, 2009 at 3:34 pm #

    Such a short memory. Obama was given the green light in November when he defeated McCain/Palin. Americans did not want another four years of Bush and that is what McCain/Palin represented
    Most think everything is hunky-dory like you do Asoka.
    He does not have the green light to change America for a new life of making do without. Right now he has the green light to find a way to quickly fix the problems that will put America back on the path of no suffering.

  59. turkle July 27, 2009 at 3:38 pm #

    Yes, clearly you were trying to suggest Obama is in it for the money, which I believe to be misreading him. I think he’s far more motivated by what you might call the “will to power”, which isn’t any nobler than wanting to make bank. It is just a different way of looking at the world.
    I did not setup Obama as a “saint”. Whatever gave you that idea? You’re painting me as an Obama devotee, which is off the mark. I didn’t even vote for the guy, and I have an ambivalent opinion about his presidency thus far.
    Some people try and get elected for other reasons than lining their pockets. Can you comprehend that? Guess not. The president’s salary would be considered pitiful for a corporate CEO (and not even a decent year end bonus) or even for a high level executive. It would be, what, a starter’s salary/bonus at some place like Goldman Sachs. Obama could have easily added an MBA to the mix and climbed the corporate ladder to make quite a lot of money, but he didn’t.
    Sure, after he is president, he can easily make a lot of money by giving speeches and so forth. So what? What point are you trying to make?
    You would rather have Obama be motivated by making money than wanting to change the country for the better. That’s a pretty screwy world view. And you wonder why this country is so messed up. Don’t you think the most effective US presidents were motivated by wanting to improve the country rather than simply making money?
    Have you been asleep the last year? Financial firms and banks have an enormous influence on what happens in the world, not to mention the Federal Reserve, which is NOT controlled by the president.

  60. Danm July 27, 2009 at 3:42 pm #

    Yes, clearly you were trying to suggest Obama is in it for the money, which I believe to be misreading him. I think he’s far more motivated by what you might call the “will to power”, which isn’t any nobler than wanting to make bank. It is just a different way of looking at the world.
    It’s hard enough to know the exact intentions of your own spouse, never mind my own!!! LOL
    I’m still perplexed as to how anybody can claim to know what other people’s intentions are when they don’t even have direct access to them.

  61. turkle July 27, 2009 at 3:47 pm #

    Are you on your fourth account for presenting criticism based on facts?
    I guess someone around here just can’t handle the truth. Poor, poor, OEO. What a martyr.

  62. zzzzzz July 27, 2009 at 3:49 pm #

    “Yes, clearly you were trying to suggest Obama is in it for the money…”
    Clearly…as in clear as mud. (Fucking moron.)

  63. turkle July 27, 2009 at 3:55 pm #

    If I’m the “fucking moron” and you the truth-telling genius, then why can’t you manage to post on this blog without getting your account banned?

  64. Jaego Scorzne July 27, 2009 at 3:56 pm #

    Does everyone know that even though bankrupt, America is still giving away huge amounts of foreign aid? How? Because the old right wing canard is true: they print it up based on nothing. And then give it to us as a loan. It’s called the Federal Reserve Bank which is a misnomer: it’s not Federal, there are no reserves, and it’s a business not a bank. It’s privately owned, overwhelmingly by foreigners, Jewish for the most part.
    Does everyone know that Obama’s Health Plan will include illegal immigrants? And we are going to pay for them-just as we are paying for our own dispossesion. Oh, and although a half million jobs are lost per month-at the minimum-150,000 foreign workers come here every month. And many of them will never leave even if they don’t get get a job. Just have a kid and you’re set for life and can bring all your relations in too.
    And then Whites are asked not to be angry? When our country has been given away? When we have to pay the way for the people who are taking our jobs? How about Affirmative Action? Wasn’t it supposed to be for Blacks because of slavery? With no discussion at all it then spread to Hispanics. No sir. Whites are already angry at the Hispanics. And they will become angry at the Jews when they realize the extent to which they control Finance and how they worked to open our borders. And we have every right to be angry. We have the moral highground now. No one else. And no one is going to listen to us-so America is going to split into a million pieces. And Whites have every right to grab a big chunk for ourselves. Just like the Federales gave away the Southwest to the Mexicans, we’re going to take a piece or two as well. Like the Northwest for example.

  65. Danm July 27, 2009 at 4:01 pm #

    And Whites have every right to grab a big chunk for ourselves.
    Even the white trailer trash?

  66. Qshtik July 27, 2009 at 4:01 pm #

    Danm, I’m not sure you understand this so-called 23% return number that’s bandied about. That’s an “annualized” return. To demonstrate via an extreme example … if the govt gave Goldman $100 today and Goldman paid them back $105 tomorrow that’s a 5% return IN ONE DAY. Annualized it’s something like 1800%. And depending on the frequency of compounding the 1800% could be MUCH larger. BTW, any individual or company that can make an annualized return of 23% on their money is doing DAMN good. Supposedly that’s the return we taxpayers got from our “investment” in Goldman.

  67. Danm July 27, 2009 at 4:09 pm #

    I understand VERY well.
    If the economy is growing at 0% and interest rates are at 0% and they made more than 23% on an annual basis, pure and simple, that means somebody lost more than 23%.
    Sure GS did GREAT for themselves and they managed to make it look great for taxholders. But I’m will to bet that the end loser of the money GS made is the tax holder.
    So net net, I’m willing to bet that taxholder is out the amount GS is keeping for itself.

  68. Danm July 27, 2009 at 4:14 pm #

    For example, perhaps they made bets using derivatives where AIG is the loser and the taxpayer will end up paying for AIG losses.
    It’s not transparent so we don’t know.
    All I know is that some player lost that 23%. And since no one is complaining, I figure it’s the taxpayers.

  69. Danm July 27, 2009 at 4:18 pm #

    e know that 5 firms hold more than 80% of the dreivatives risks.
    We know that GS has been winning those bets.
    So that leaves JP Morgan Chase, Bank of America, Citigroup, and Morgan Stanley as the losers of those bets.
    And they’re all propped up by government. Hmmm…

  70. Qshtik July 27, 2009 at 4:23 pm #

    “It’s privately owned, overwhelmingly by foreigners, Jewish for the most part.”
    Oh no! … Scorzne awakes! You had a rough weekend and are just chimeing in NOW? The blacks, the hispanics, and now the fuckin JEWWWZZ! Is there ANYBODY on this green earth we don’t have to watch our backs for? How ’bout Icelanders? What about those fuckin ice cube sucking ICELANDERS??

  71. zzzzzz July 27, 2009 at 4:24 pm #

    ” why can’t you manage to post on this blog without getting your account banned?”
    Guess it comes down to me not willing to bleat that all soothing, Bahaaaaa, that so many here seem to enjoy. Care for some more grass little sheepie???

  72. piltdownman July 27, 2009 at 4:28 pm #

    Here’s my take-away from “Gates Gate.” Obama spoke before thinking and then used his glib nature to weasel out of mess. Not something I want from my President. He considers it a “teachable moment?” What it taught me was that he’s struggling to keep his eye on the big issues and that he is too focused on race. If he wants to wander waste deep into every instance of perceived racism in this country he can do that, but he’s going to have to fight Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton for that mind space!
    Those of us who consider ourselves “liberal,” are still waiting to see the Wall Street malefactors take it on the chin. And that means investigations, indictments, prosecutions and jail time. Until Obama stands up and speaks to this directly and puts some Special Prosecutors on the trail, he risks, as Jim notes, losing the hearts and minds of the very people who put into the WH.
    If he does make that move, he will then truly have a teachable moment for every scheming, corrupt financial scumbag from Wall Street to the west coast.

  73. zzzzzz July 27, 2009 at 4:32 pm #

    “And then Whites are asked not to be angry? When our country has been given away?”
    Why the fuck should WHITES be the only ones who are angry? If we are “giving our country away” all U.S. citizens should be angry.
    A person can make some very valid, succinct points regarding our government and its wasteful ways without singling out a racial group. How fucking retarded are you? (Rhetorical question which you need not answer as you are incapable in assigning the proper degree of FUCKTARDEDNESS to yourself)

  74. turkle July 27, 2009 at 4:34 pm #

    It might have to do with calling anyone who disagrees with your opinion of the day a “f***ing moron”, but, hey, that’s just a guess.
    And I’m just a little sheep, so what do I know, right?

  75. zzzzzz July 27, 2009 at 4:37 pm #

    “Until Obama stands up and speaks to this directly and puts some Special Prosecutors on the trail…”
    Please. There are enough laws on the books and AG’s throughout this fair land to indict and prosecute criminal conduct. Why should Dear Leader have to lift a finger? Let the criminal justice system, in its present form, get biddy with it. What is it about “Special” prosecutors that people think is so fucking special? Special Prosecutors automatically politicize the process. (Because they are appointed and fucking SPECIAL.) Enough already.

  76. Johnny Rico July 27, 2009 at 4:39 pm #

    Speaking of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton – I haven’t heard them chime in on the subject. Where have they been? Rumor has it that gates himself asked them to stay out of it.
    Here’s a decent piece by Hitchens on the issue:
    A Man’s Home Is His Constitutional Castle
    Henry Louis Gates Jr. should have taken his stand on the Bill of Rights, not on his epidermis or that of the arresting officer.
    By Christopher Hitchens
    July 27, 2009

  77. turkle July 27, 2009 at 4:40 pm #

    OEO has never been wrong about anything in his entire life. He actually knows more than all of the rest of you put together. He’s got all the facts lined up. A fine specimen of truth-telling genius if there ever was one. What a wolf!

  78. zzzzzz July 27, 2009 at 4:41 pm #

    I dole out “FUCKING MORON”(s) on a case-by-case basis. Consider it an honor if you receive one as it indicates I gave special attention to a specific comment you have made. You’re welcome.(Fucktard.)

  79. Brian F July 27, 2009 at 4:43 pm #

    Like Jim has been saying for years. Americans are not concerned with things that matter. What matters? Food, clothing and shelter–and you can add energy. America still produces some food but we wasted energy building clusterfuck suburbia for shelter. So since we curtailed doing useful things we created a culture that makes money off of money. The financial crisis was a collapse of an out of whack derivatives market. Goldman Sachs are the masters at gaming the system to make money off money. No one cared much when energy was very cheap and the US was richer. But now that the rest of the economy is in the tank and GS is still profiting people are pissed. Well.. not that many because most people don’t understand the whole mess. In the last weeks GS reported big profits and paid back gov’t TARP funds. But everyone forgot they got 13 billion from AIG via the US taxpayer. Government stimulus in action! Next thing you know Goldman Sachs will be running the Treasury Dept. http://www.meltingclocktimes.com/us-treasury-department-will-move-their-offices-into-goldman-sachs-building

  80. Qshtik July 27, 2009 at 4:43 pm #

    Danm, I’m glad YOU understand “annualized return,” “compouding,” etc because not everybody does … my brother-in-law for example. I just hate when people start tossing numbers around and I can tell that they have no idea what they’re talking about … like an earlier post that implied 23% was some average run-of-the-mill return.
    But getting back to YOUR point … from what I read, Goldman made $3+ Billion in the second qtr via “investment banking and trading” which the writer described as both being zero sum games. So, if true … yes, someone on the other side of all those transactions lost $3+ Billion and it likely is the other big financial firms you mentioned. I guess those are the dumb bankers.

  81. Jaego Scorzne July 27, 2009 at 4:43 pm #

    And the Liberals like JHK talk about right wing hatred! What’s this? Sir, we don’t belong in the same country as each other. We don’t want or need the likes of you, but you need us-to be your peasants and to be your hate objects. You people should be saying you’re sorry since we were right about Obama and much else besides. But instead, you turn up the volume of abuse. Fine by me, this country is finished anyway-when people like you support illegals over your own kin, what’s the point of being together?
    There is supposed to be some relation between a Country and its Culture, kind of like the mind and the body. For a Country to have a dozen or so major Cultures has to be considered schizophrenia. It’s fine for more than one State to be in a Culture-like the ancient Greek City States or the Renaissance Italian City States. But the opposite, more than one Culture in a State, is ruinous. “Diversity is our Strength”-moronic nonsense for people who should never have gone to college. It’s on the level with that old chestnut, “A War to End all Wars”. Diversity killed the Austro-Hungrian Empire and it’s going to kill us too.

  82. IntegralResearchSociety July 27, 2009 at 4:46 pm #

    I’d settle for any rail service that departs and arrives between 6am and 10pm. Eastbound Amtrak departs Spokane at 1:15am. Westbound Seattle departs at 2:15am. Westbound Portland departs at 2:45am. Rail service inspired by Nietzsche.
    General comment: Lots of energy being wasted on the Left-Right thing.

  83. zzzzzz July 27, 2009 at 4:49 pm #

    “OEO has never been wrong about anything in his entire life.”
    Are you claiming that I have said something in my postings here that is wrong? If so please be so kind as to point it out. As far as my entire life is concerned you know nothing of my life but that which I choose to post here. That being the case, for all you know, your statement which I attribute here “may” be true. (Though highly unlikely.)

  84. turkle July 27, 2009 at 4:54 pm #

    Holey One,
    I know that it ain’t easy being a wolf.
    But that’s OEO/zsazsa/zzzzzz, sticking it to the Kenyan and fighting for our freedoms against the evil socialist dictatorship.
    Thank you for dispensing the unvarnished truth on this blog day after day, even though all the sheep just want to drag you down and make you get (yet) another account.

  85. turkle July 27, 2009 at 4:59 pm #

    “Are you claiming that I have said something in my postings here that is wrong?”
    No! Exactly the opposite. Every post you’ve ever made to this blog hits the 100% mark on my truth-o-meter. In fact, some of your posts are at the 110% level.

  86. zzzzzz July 27, 2009 at 5:03 pm #

    “Thank you for dispensing the unvarnished truth on this blog day after day…”
    You are totally welcome. Stay tuned for further truths.
    “In fact, some of your posts are at the 110% level.”
    Not possible. I’m afraid you have become a bit infatuated. You really should use caution when trying to set someone up as your hero. Now, remember to eat your greens and listen to and honor you mommy.

  87. turkle July 27, 2009 at 5:05 pm #

    “Now, remember to eat your greens and listen to and honor you mommy.”
    I’m far more interested in your mommy. She must be quite a lady to have produced such a fine specimen of wolf-hood.

  88. dale July 27, 2009 at 5:05 pm #

    While the Republicans are philosophically incapable of governing well, the Democrats are busy showing they are incapable of governing at all. They get 60 members in the Senate and large majorities in the House and they still can’t get their act together enough to pass healthcare reform desired by the vast majority of Americans.
    I think Obama had a brief window of opportunity to advocate a strong agenda for limiting governmental corruption (lobbying) and turning the government/economy towards a model that would have some chance to work for the next few decades. He could have had the people solidly behind him if he had set a strong agenda from the start. Instead he seems to have failed to grasp how important the initiative is (or was) and as a result the corrupt, do nothing, money sucking forces of Congress are now in control. That will mean much yak about this and that, (while the lobbyists fork over the cash), resulting in “reforms” which will be an expensive give away to vested interests without accomplishing anything meaningful for the people at large. This isn’t cynicism….. this is simply suggesting that what has been happening….. in the absence of any reason to think otherwise……. will continue to happen. Just commonsense. The only question left to ponder is how much longer this level of corruption can continue without political collapse?
    As was pointed out well on Maher’s show this week, the degree to which this systemic corruption is totally in control, is illustrated by the vote against funding the Raptor fighter jet. Here is a vastly expensive weapons system, not wanted by the Pentagon (!) or even Dick Cheney (!!) yet the thing still got 40 votes in the Senate. This, we are told, is a great victory for commonsense and appropriate oversight!
    All this crap about what Obama said about the DC cops, or which Republican is now showing himself to be a complete moral hypocrite, blah..blah…blah…is completely meaningless in terms of it’s effect on the American people. No matter……the media, and a few here, (turkle/ZZZZ) will slavishly follow and repeat such fake “news” ad nauseum, lapping it up as if it makes any difference what-so-ever. Shouting at each other from their respective parapets, engaging in political “dialogue” completely divorced from any semblance of meaning.
    Guy could almost buy into the Doomer POV watching this.

  89. zzzzzz July 27, 2009 at 5:08 pm #

    “She must be quite a lady to have produced such a fine specimen of wolf-hood.”
    Too true.

  90. Qshtik July 27, 2009 at 5:10 pm #

    ZZZZZZ, The 284th (last) comment posted to Kunstler’s prior essay (Is Obama Gorbachev?) was from me to you. Either you haven’t read it or simply chose not to comment on it. But no matter, it is relevant to all of your comments today. I’ve re-posted it below:
    ZZZZZZ, in crafting a scathing retort to a lame post a well chosen epithet or expletive can be very effective. You can hardly go wrong using, for example, the universal default insult, “asshole.” However, the continual use of such words eventually destroys their effectiveness. I note that you overuse “M-O-R-O-N” and “FUCKTARD” (a word new to me which I assume means fuckin retard?) I’m surprised that someone as astute as yourself is unaware that they’ve lost all their putdown power due to the “law of diminishing returns.” Secondly, you only make YOURSELF look foolish when you deride a post which is obviously NOT moronic and its author is obviously NOT a fucktard. In other words, you should save the viscious stuff for the truly deserving. Further, if you would sprinkle in something fresh once in awhile it might help. Calling someone an “Asswipe” or suggesting their teenage daughter has “penis-breath” come to mind. Or tell them their stench “would knock a buzzard off a shitpile.” Moron and fucktard are so yesterday.
    I would welcome the view of other commenters on this subject.

  91. zzzzzz July 27, 2009 at 5:14 pm #

    Zowie. That was truly worthy of being re-posted. You sir, are a FUCKTARD of immense perspicacity. (And I MEAN that.)

  92. georget July 27, 2009 at 5:23 pm #

    Here’s a suggestion for you: instead of thinking ‘conspiracy’, think ‘agenda’, since that’s what many of these supposed ‘conspiracies’ are, including the current ponzi/banking syndicate agenda. Good God, please don’t tell us you’re allergic to agendas too.
    As for all the ‘angry web chatter’ over this and that, Robert McNamara said it best when he stated, “Let them demonstrate all they want, as long as they keep paying their taxes”. If he were in government today he’d probably say “Let them chatter on the web all they want, as long as they keep paying their taxes.”
    One of the comment folks (cowswithguns?) nailed it on the head when they mentioned that there’s not going to be any pitchforks, since too many people bought into the game with the 401K scam. When you add in all of the folks on the dole, including the overpaid as well as the over pensioned government parasites and the folks hypnotized by the boob tube into believing in the tooth fairy, there aren’t many people left who even have the energy left or will to push against the tidal wave of con being played out.
    As for Obie’s TR moment, he’s already had it in spades.
    Despite the fanfare and all of his colorful words, TR’s economic “progressivism” was more show than substance. In his reforms, Roosevelt attempted to satisfy the popular desire for change without any basic reforms in business institutions. His closest advisers were bankers and businessmen, and in his election bid in 1904 he had the support of J. P. Morgan, Henry Clay Frick, and the other robber barons.
    Sound familiar?
    And don’t forget “We carved a great nation out of the American Indian”.

  93. zzzzzz July 27, 2009 at 5:25 pm #

    “Calling someone an “Asswipe” or suggesting their teenage daughter has “penis-breath” come to mind.”
    Just curious, does your teenage daughter have “penis-breath”? If so, would it be asking you too much to buy her some fucking toothpaste, Asswipe?

  94. asoka July 27, 2009 at 5:25 pm #

    Jaego said: “when people like you support illegals over your own kin, what’s the point of being together?”
    I don’t think danm said he supports illegals. I am the one (and probably the only one) who supports illegals and wants the borders eliminated and the border patrol abolished.
    As for your comment: “There is supposed to be some relation between a Country and its Culture”
    How very aristocratic of you to believe that. America is a different kind of country, a country of immigrants and popular rule that is multicultural.
    And your final comment is totally anti-American, the one about diversity has destroyed this country.
    American is strong because of its diversity. The motto on the Seal of the United States is E PLURIBUS UNUM.
    The John Birchers used to say: “America. Love it or leave it.” If you really believe diversity has destroyed the United States and you don’t even have a country anymore, why are you still here? There are lots of better places in the world to live than the USA.
    I love the USA precisely because it does allow “illegals” to live here, to work, to receive education and health care, to pay taxes, and to fight for the American dream.

  95. zzzzzz July 27, 2009 at 5:26 pm #

    “Secondly, you only make YOURSELF look foolish when you deride a post which is obviously NOT moronic and its author is obviously NOT a fucktard.”
    Lesson number one:
    Moronicness and Fuctardedness are in the eye of the beholder.
    Lesson number two:
    See lesson number one.

  96. Andy Williams July 27, 2009 at 5:28 pm #

    I’m from Wales in the UK so I’m speaking as an outsider but I have to ask you Jaego Scorzne, when you go on about ‘kin’ and ‘culture’ are you on about yours as being the right one or the American Indians? I mean, with a name like yours I’d suggest you originate from eastern Europe. You’re cetainly not Running Deer or Soaring Eagle or whatever.
    It seems to me you are a bigot. Definately a racist and certainly anti-semitic. You haven’t mentioned gays but from your opinions on other groups then it’s fair to assume you’re an Islamophobe and a homophobe as well. Go for a Full House eh?
    We have a generalised word for people like you back in the UK, it’s ‘nazi’.
    You’re not a Grand Wizard or Dragon or whatever those idiots in pointy hats and bedsheets are called are you?

  97. zzzzzz July 27, 2009 at 5:32 pm #

    ‘You haven’t mentioned gays but from your opinions on other groups then it’s fair to assume you’re an Islamophobe and a homophobe as well. ”
    That is not a fair assumption. Lets leave it at this, J.S. is a moronic FUCKTARD. He is self indicted by his own writings. None of us should try to change him. We truly know him for what he is because it is he that informs us.

  98. asoka July 27, 2009 at 5:32 pm #

    “TR’s economic “progressivism” was more show than substance.”
    Obama’s is more substance than show. Today all over this area (and I would imagine all over the country) people are coming around to test heating ducts for leaks and seal up the leaks to make the heating systems more efficient. This work is paid for by the Obama economic stimulus package.
    This energy conservation program provides employment and lessens dependence on foreign oil at the same time.
    A $787 BILLION Economic Recovery Act may not be money for some people, but I say is it an act of substance. Obama got it through Congress.
    Obama gave good speeches. Now he is delivering in my neighborhood.

  99. zzzzzz July 27, 2009 at 5:36 pm #

    “… people are coming around to test heating ducts for leaks and seal up the leaks to make the heating systems more efficient.”
    So, you need people to “come around” to achieve this? I thought we went through this when Jimma Carter donned his cardigan in the White House? It’s all so fucking eighties, man.

  100. zzzzzz July 27, 2009 at 5:40 pm #

    Hey asoka-the-producers.
    Go to Home Depot. Buy caulk, insulating foam, insulating batting. Install it. You’ll feel empowered. Don’t sit around waiting for the government man. He’s playing pinochle around the corner in his “official” truck with his “official” buddies. Be the man, asoka-the-producers.

  101. turkle July 27, 2009 at 5:42 pm #

    Thanks for the name drop, buddy.
    What am I slavishly repeating again? I don’t even watch television news, much less slavishly repeat anything I see on it.
    And I happen to agree with everything you said in your post.
    Oh, well.

  102. k gleason July 27, 2009 at 5:43 pm #

    TELL US MORE…900,000?
    But the real news last week was buried on page 9 of fridays wallst journal
    article by m. coker
    While what you refer to made page 1 round the us/world the us DROPPED A NUKE ..A SMALL ONE ON IRAN

  103. turkle July 27, 2009 at 5:44 pm #

    “I thought we went through this when Jimma Carter donned his cardigan in the White House? It’s all so fucking eighties, man.”
    No, its so “late seventies”.

  104. k gleason July 27, 2009 at 5:47 pm #

    C’mon Obama – yes you can!

  105. Danm July 27, 2009 at 5:53 pm #

    I’m Canadian so I really don’t care about your color problems down there.
    I just care about the color green right now.

  106. turkle July 27, 2009 at 5:54 pm #

    Could you please tell me all the evil stuff that Obama has done so far so I get my facts straight?
    Thanks, buddy.

  107. k gleason July 27, 2009 at 5:59 pm #

    what were the previuos names ???
    i cant keep track

  108. k gleason July 27, 2009 at 6:03 pm #

    ‘huge amounts of foreign aid?’
    as a % is it 1 % of the budget?
    what about US military worldwide?
    is that aid or empire?

  109. Qshtik July 27, 2009 at 6:05 pm #

    “Go to Home Depot. Buy caulk, insulating foam, insulating batting. Install it. You’ll feel empowered. Don’t sit around waiting for the government man. He’s playing pinochle around the corner in his “official” truck with his “official” buddies. Be the man, asoka-the-producers.”
    Sentiments I agree with 100% and stated without a single “Moron” or “Fucktard.” I may have influenced you after all.

  110. Jaego Scorzne July 27, 2009 at 6:12 pm #

    So in other words, Whites don’t have the right to have their own Countries. Blacks do, Chinese do, Japanese do, Arabs do, South Asians do, but not Whites. Just beautiful. Are you one those British who look forward to the Muslim takeover of Britain? Is the idea of becoming a dhimmi stangely exciting to you? If so, you are a degenerate.
    As for the Indians, we conquered them fair and square; just like the Chinese drove out or absorbed the Caucasians who lived in Eastern China in ancient times-and added greatly to the local technology. And just like the Turks and Arabs who conquered, killed or converted so many White lands in the early centuries. And just like the Innuit who finished off the Viking Colony of Greenland at the begining of the little ice age in the 1300’s. Just think how many Whites the Mongols killed and the Huns. Talk to a Turk-the Imperialists of their time-find out if they feel at guilty about their bloody past. Not an iota-they act like it was a privledge to be done in by a Turk. Talk to any group-none of them feel guilty about anything except Whites. We are not the most racist people in the world, but the least. Stupidly so, to our own detriment. No other people on Earth would allow themselves to be dispossesed the way we are doing. To one trained in Anthropology or Psychology, this utter passivity is striking. And in some cases, such as your’s, a kind of Stockholm Syndrome is seen where the person identifies with the invaders-who are seen as “underdogs”. Political Correctness is a kind of distored Christianity. This is the only answer for such a martyr complex. But the martyr here is rewarded not by God, but by his or peers and seen as a good person who deserves rewards. One who doesn’t so conform is seen as a racist/nazi who deserves ostracism, imprisonment and ultimately death.

  111. Jaego Scorzne July 27, 2009 at 6:21 pm #

    All the aid is part of the Empire. The aid is the foot in the door. I’m against all of it. There is nothing in the Constitution about taking our money and giving it to foreigners. And the Founders talked alot about not getting involved in foreign wars. Isolationist? Hell, yeah. America first. And of course, some trade is fine as long as the essentials are grown or made at home. Tarrifs have always been the way to produce strong national economies be it here or in Europe. The British had the head start on everyone during the Industrial Revolution. The only way Europe was able to catch up was when Napoleon blockaded all the ports. Another example: Argentina was just begining to industrialize. The British came in and wanted to trade. Argentina said no. The British threatened to shell Buenos Aries into the ground. Argentina gave in and British goods flooded the market. Argentina’s nascent industries were priced out of the market and Argentina stayed completely Agricultural for decades thereafter.

  112. k gleason July 27, 2009 at 6:23 pm #

    Do you have a blog elsewhere?
    last nite while hearing Pat keefe on the radio I thought o u
    yr homework is to read or at leats read of:
    When then-president Jimmy Carter reproached Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping with the latter’s reluctance to allow his citizens the ‘freedom of departure’ from China, the latter famously responded, “Certainly, Mr. Carter. How many millions would you like!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  113. k gleason July 27, 2009 at 6:30 pm #

    Recently a voice on the radio was trying to explain why China/ korea/ japan industrialized since WW2 and mexico/ south america declined
    He claimed it was the asian countries didnt allow the rich to move their $ out of the country
    no sure if thats true

  114. Randall Flagg July 27, 2009 at 6:48 pm #

    Looks like everything is circling the drain.
    Pretty cool.
    Can’t wait till it all goes down.
    Beating a keyboard does nothing.
    You’re all fucked for life -and that’s a good long time.
    Hell on Earth is coming.

  115. CowboyJack July 27, 2009 at 6:54 pm #

    JOBS – It is all about the JOBS.
    First, I notice briefly scanning these comments:
    1 – The majority of the posts which are vulgar, forceful, demeaning, etc., tend to be those who can be identified as liberal and/or Obama supporters.
    2 – The majority of the posts which are reasonable, on point, and factual are those who can be identified as, at least, non-Obama supporters.
    Is that odd? Or normal? One thing for sure, it is too bad.
    Back to the jobs.
    Jobs are people doing work at a business in exchange for compensation (pay).
    Businesses (small and large) are the creators of jobs. Without businesses there are no jobs.
    Businesses must have owners to run the business.
    Businesses must be “profitable” to keep the doors open. For example, to pay employees, bills, mortgages, insurance, licenses, etc., etc..
    If a business can not meet its debt obligations (like paying employees) then the business must make adjustments.
    If the government forces too many costs onto businesses (like minimum wage, health insurance, and taxes) then the debt obligations increase and the business must make further adjustments (like reducing employees or closing).
    This is how Obama is going to force businesses to close and thereby lose jobs.
    Not only are the employees of the business jobless but so is the business owner who managed the business to create the jobs, pay the taxes, insurance, etc., etc., etc., is also without a job and the building that the business was in is now vacant and deteriorating, losing value from tax rolls, etc.. In other words, everyone loses.
    If people do not have jobs they can not pay for things. Thus, they can not buy things that are made by other people and so those businesses that make things will suffer, reduce jobs, adjust, and possibly close. It is a big domino effect. (I know, JHK, we don’t make things of value in this country anymore, which was an enormous mistake made much worse by Bill Clinton and his free trade agreements and owing a lot of favors to the Chinese for huge campaign contributions that got him elected.)
    Regardless of his portended good intent during the campaign, Obama obviously does not “get” this. Or simply does not care. He intends to tax businesses, both small and large, to pay for all of his “change”. It just can not work that way.
    If he really wants to create jobs he should cut taxes for businesses so that they can stay in business and keep the jobs they currently have or, better yet, grow the business and create more jobs. But he obviously does not get that.
    Instead his so-called “stimulus package” has done nothing that I can see other than insure that my grand-daughter will never have the opportunity to go to college, will likely die a horrible death, broke and very young.
    So. President Obama, it is all about the jobs. And that necessarily makes it about businesses. Please do not tax them out of business and out of jobs.
    Some closing comments:
    Yes, Obama did inherit a mess. But he is making it much worse as fast as he possibly can. Time to stop passing the buck.
    The other candidate was weak. But you folks should not have missed the obvious clues that Obama had nothing.
    Trying to force a vote on a 1,200 page bill that no one had time to read in less than about 2 weeks is not only rude but it is insane. Thank goodness for the wisdom of the few who stood their ground.
    Cap and Trade – BAD
    Government take over of auto industry – BAD
    Government doling out TRILLIONS in bailouts – VERY BAD
    Government run health care – VERY VERY BAD !
    Those of you who can vote in these peoples districts need to vote them out of office as soon as you possibly can:
    Pelosi, Ried, Frank, Franken, Boxer, Schumer, Kennedy, Kerry, and all the others that I can’t think of right now.
    Others who need to leave DC include:
    Geithner, Emanuel, Holder, Axelrod, and of course the illusionist, Mr. Obama. We must ensure a viable candidate to unseat him at the very next opportunity and we must all join together to be sure that gets done or this country will be “changed” to the point that there will be very little “hope” left.
    Good luck to us all.
    If the government

  116. asoka July 27, 2009 at 7:12 pm #

    You guys happen to have a whole house digital pressure and flow gauge hooked to a huge exhaust fan to pressurize your house and take readings?
    Didn’t think so.
    The government has one and it’s being used daily to determined where the leaks are in the duct system that need to be addressed.
    How do you do that without government assistance or without investing in a shitload of expensive equipment you will only use once?
    You anti-government guys crack me up…

  117. turkle July 27, 2009 at 7:19 pm #

    “1 – The majority of the posts which are vulgar, forceful, demeaning, etc., tend to be those who can be identified as liberal and/or Obama supporters.”
    You must be new here…

  118. turkle July 27, 2009 at 7:22 pm #

    Indeed, the northern border is overflowing with Canadians trying to enter the US, because their government health care is so bad.

  119. Ryder July 27, 2009 at 7:30 pm #

    Insightful comment, Jaego, however unpopular it will be amongst some here.
    I’ll take it in a somewhat different direction. Wherever one comes down on the issue of race, it is clear that our racial politics have enormous implications for other areas of our lives. For example, one can dress up immigration (legal or illegal) of non-whites as being wonderful and enriching. I don’t happen to buy that argument at all (any more than do the Japanese and most non-white countries), but even if you do, the fact remains: in practice it is used to undermine wages as powerful business interests are able to move labor forces from all around the planet like pawns on a chessboard.
    They don’t do this because it is “enriching,” they do it to undermine wages. And, like it or not, “racism” used to provide a measure of protection against this type of exploitation. It prevented the country from being swamped by low wage serfs. Since “racism” was in essence repudiated several decades ago, the floodgates have been opened.
    The result? A fragmented, solipsist society that has no real organic strength or natural defenses. A consumer society where money is the highest value, so who cares if you fudge a little in how you got it? We are but flies of a summer anyway, so eat drink and be merry – regardless of its effect on the land or one’s kinsmen. Who cares about that corny bullshit? Business is free to move labor about willy nilly (it would be racist to resist), off shore jobs, and in general run the show. The deracinated individual, who believes in nothing except showing off, bling, scarfing down corn syrup and getting another SUV, is free to live the rat race. Again, he’s a fly of the summer. Especially if he’s white – he’s not allowed a real tribe. That would be racist.
    Traditional societies, white or otherwise, exhibit a level of chauvinism, of distinct preference for their own. We can call this “racism,” or we can categorize it as something more benign. Point is that they don’t see themselves as flies of a summer. They are connected, part of a tribe. There are responsibilties beyond making money, and values beyond consuming.
    Stripping a society of these organic defenses opens it up to innumerable depradations, not the least of which is that the last man standing in an atomized and deracinated society appears to be powerful business interests, with virtually no check on their power running amok. Faith is dead, culture is dead, belief in the transcendent is dead, honoring one’s ancestors is dead. All that seems to be left is appetite – or just plain force. We see the results all around us.

  120. turkle July 27, 2009 at 7:32 pm #

    “You guys happen to have a whole house digital pressure and flow gauge hooked to a huge exhaust fan to pressurize your house and take readings?”
    Pffff, who doesn’t have one of these?
    I use mine for fun and relaxation everyday.

  121. k gleason July 27, 2009 at 7:52 pm #

    if people dont have GOOD PAYING JOBS they cant pay their bills!
    remember BUSH years ago saying
    also remember from bushys perspective the economy was/is strong
    the middle class has been savaged…so its simplistic to think its just about jobs
    try living on the minimum wage
    i recently passed an old apt in west la area
    1200$ for one room

  122. k gleason July 27, 2009 at 7:56 pm #

    ‘Pelosi, Ried, Frank, Franken, Boxer, Schumer, Kennedy, Kerry, and all the others that I can’t think of right now.
    Others who need to leave DC include:
    Geithner, Emanuel, Holder, Axelrod, and of course the illusionist, Mr. Obama. We must ensure a viable ‘
    I read that of the 44 just arrested in ny/nj in ‘ project buy n sell a israeli kidney’
    43 of the 44 were dems..i dunno

  123. wagelaborer July 27, 2009 at 8:04 pm #

    Wow! A class conscious defense of racism. Interesting.
    But wrong. The flood gates were not just opened. They were open until 1924, then they were shut. Then they opened again in the 60s. The sainted Reagan legalized millions of formerly illegal aliens and GHW Bush presided over a flood of Chinese immigrants claiming persecution at Tinamen Square.
    But it doesn’t matter to the Republicans. They believe that voting Red will shut the borders. Even though the sainted GW Bush was for allowing illegal immigration, for the very purpose that Ryder states-cheap labor.
    Which is the way all of our ancestors got here. (Except the Native Americans. They walked).
    Every new group came to undercut the wages of the already-here. And the already-here protested everytime.
    And the Irish and the Italians and the Eastern Europeans were discriminated against, even though they are now considered “white”.
    We will never have the solidarity that other nationalities have because everyone of us is descended from people who left their homes, their families, their ethnic groups, to come to America and get rich on their labor. Including the Africans, who came in chains, but with the same result of losing their families, although with no hope of getting rich.
    We are descended from people without ties to others. It’s a wonder we manage as well as we do.
    I attribute it to American tolerance, which the right wing is busily trying to undermine, so that we can have the same kind of civil wars that we had once and the rest of the world has more often.

  124. Danm July 27, 2009 at 8:36 pm #

    Indeed, the northern border is overflowing with Canadians trying to enter the US, because their government health care is so bad.
    You Americans have really been brainwashed by TPTB!

  125. Ryder July 27, 2009 at 8:49 pm #

    Wagelaborer:”Wow! A class conscious defense of racism. Interesting.But wrong. The flood gates were not just opened. They were open until 1924, then they were shut. Then they opened again in the 60s.”
    You’ve got the basic facts down, but you are missing the bigger picture. In a sense, America has always been about cheap labor. That much is true.
    But it’s a matter of degree and circumstance. The frontier was open until late in the 19th century. Lots of immigrants came, went out West, and literally built villages and towns out of nothing. Such people were not competing, meaningfully, with those already there. In many cases, quite literally, there was nobody there at all. That’s totally different from immigrants pouring into an existing town and competing with Americans for jobs.
    As the frontier closed, circumstances began to change, and the immigrants began swamping major industrial areas. At that point you start getting some real problems (resulting in shutting the floodgates in 1924, something that is politically impossible under the current system). But even then, the country was growing so fast that it could absorb them and REAL wages were still going up, up, up. In fact, guys like Henry Ford bragged that he would make American workers the best paid workers in the world. And guys like him did just that.
    That’s part of what you are missing in your analysis. While we did have heavy European immigration before, the circumstances were totally different. Real wages were still going up, up, up. Contrast that with recent decades, after the floodgates were opened again in the 60’s. Real wages have been stagnant or in decline pretty much ever since. And yet we still bring in immigrants by the millions.
    You also mention how the floodgates were turned off in 1924 (driven largely by racial chauvanism). The result was that for four decades pretty much all immigrants were white – and not many of them. By the early sixties, the average American worker had a prosperous middle class lifestyle. Not the cheez doodle/SUV gorgefest of the last few years, but stable and comfortable. Workers have been in real decline pretty much ever since.
    Also note the difference between Henry Ford’s bragging that he would make American workers the best paid on the planet versus today’s thirst for cheap labor as an end in itself. Totally different mentality. A slave importer’s mentality. This mentality has had real world results: back then, real wages rose. Now, they decline. Take home point: there’s a big difference between relatively small amounts of European immigration when the country was growing like gangbusters, and large amounts of non-European immigration when the country is already filled up, and existing Americans are competing for the same jobs. Also, back then, there was virtually no social safety net, so the costs of immigrants fell mostly upon themselves. Not so anymore – now the employer gets to privatize the profits of cheap labor, while socializing the cost upon the taxpayer – even as the taxpayer’s wages are undermined and reduced.
    You are comparing apples and oranges.

  126. dale July 27, 2009 at 8:53 pm #

    What did I tell you about these genetic degenerates starting to congregate here? Let one of these losers, who need to defend their own failure by blaming it on some one else or simply continue the stupidity their parents passed on to them like a case of TB, and pretty soon you’ll have a score of them. Be prepared for more “friends” of Jagoff (or what ever he calls himself) appearing at a blog near you soon.

  127. dale July 27, 2009 at 8:58 pm #

    Any reply to OEO (or Parrotboy as I nicknamed him here months ago) is by definition, a waste of time. He is only conversant in the mindless talking points of the right wing radio talk show universe.
    In his fevered rat sized cranium, only the simple emotional responses of the lower order of mammals is possible. Ignore him and he will likely return to discussing his favorite punk rock bands on another channel of the web.

  128. wagelaborer July 27, 2009 at 9:14 pm #

    I look at different facts and come up with a different conclusion.
    A lot of immigrants never made it out West (and it wasn’t empty until it was emptied). They lived in slums, worked for slave wages and fought for every betterment- it just wasn’t given to them by Henry Ford!
    Remember that they were frequently worked to death in their 20s, in the mines, factories and railroads.
    Life was tough, then it got better, now they’re trying to return to those days.
    And idiots like that one who believes that bosses give us jobs, so we must give them tax breaks, work for less than minimum wage, and =what? kiss their asses in gratitude night and day? What next?

  129. wagelaborer July 27, 2009 at 9:28 pm #

    And, anyway, my other point was that just because someone is “white” doesn’t make them one of my tribe, the way a Frenchman might think of his countrymen.
    They’re most likely not from England, like my folks were. And I met some Englishmen I didn’t like either! Because I’m an american and my culture is different.
    I was going to say German, but that doesn’t work. although the Germans started a world war in premptive self defense against the commie terrorists, they now are divided by east and west, the way the (now white) Irish are divided by religion.
    A class conscious person should realize that religion, color, education, etc. are used to divide us.
    I am working class, and all workers, employed or not, are my tribe. The ruling class, white or not, is not my tribe, but they can be if they realize that this system of poverty in the midst of plenty, homelessness among empty houses, hunger among an abundance of food, is ridiculous, and should be replaced with one in which we all cooperate to provide for each other.

  130. Qshtik July 27, 2009 at 9:30 pm #

    My house has no duct system. Heat is via steam/radiators and I have no central AC. Old windows and doors that leak heat are being replaced by modern equipment as and when I can afford it. Thus far I have done most of the work myself. I worked all my life as a financial anayst but figured out how to do these other things on my own or by asking questions of friends, relatives and neighbors. I hired a pro to hang a new front door. Next question?

  131. gbeauregard July 27, 2009 at 9:33 pm #

    >> information on trades is held back a fraction of a second from public view
    One solution might be to force the markets to operate more slowly. For example: allow trading one day a week, say, every Friday at 9am, and require buy/sell orders to be placed by 5pm on Thursday. Impose a blackout period from 4-5pm on Thursday during which period publicly traded companies would not be allowed to release information that could affect share prices. Such measures would make it impossible for anyone to benefit from having access to information seconds earlier than anyone else. Investors would have to think “long-term” – a whole week! – when making investment decisions.

  132. bahmi July 27, 2009 at 9:35 pm #

    Obama’s green light was not a license to steal and do dumb things, like pass 1000 page bills without having senators/representatives read the damn things….if getting a green light means “do anything I want”, he got the green light. But, how do you tacitly allow somebody to do that merely because he’s President???
    Hatred of Bush does not mean much anymore. It does not mean Obama can screw up things “to get even” with W…Obama is not given a best 4 out of 7 mandate, in other words. He’s handled the Cambridge event horribly. Still love the sumbitch? He’s tried to ramrod the health bill but the CBO says it won’t cost less and may well cost more. More as in “more money”. Still love the guy? If a guy sucker punched me, I’d damn sure NOT accept 12 ounces of beer as some sort of way to forgive the puncher..would you? Obama thinks, the fool, that he’s on the outside of the cop deal. I’m here to tell you he’s as guilty as the buffoon Gates. He besmirched the cops all over the country, not just Cambridge. Shame on his ass. 12 ounces of beer and it’s all hunky dory? National security demands it? Who you kiddin’?
    In my mind, old man McKain and the Palin woman were less obnoxious than Obama, but not by much. Joe Biden? Who we kiddin’ here?
    We all need a good president, what’s more true than that? Sure, tell old folks you’re gonna give ’em free medical treatment and they got your vote, slick and easylike. It’s always easy when somebody else pays the tab.
    Obama has inflamed passions on some folks. To me, he makes me go limp. Where’d he get those Israel hating Jews on his staff? You want to give up our only ally over in the den of thieves?
    Send me Tums, I wanna wretch whenever I think of the community organizer. Soon, his backers will jump off the train when they have a belly full of his ego and arrogance. I don’t want him, you can have him, he’s too bloated for me.

  133. asoka July 27, 2009 at 9:40 pm #

    DETROIT – The Obama administration plans to sell its shares in General Motors Co. and Chrysler Group LLC as soon as it can, the head of the autos task force told a congressional panel Monday.
    “We are very eager to dispose of them as soon as possible,” said Ron Bloom, now chairman of the Treasury Department task force overseeing GM and Chrysler. “On GM, our expectation of a GM IPO in 2010.”
    Providing freedom of choice and competition through a “public option” is not a “government takeover” of health care.

  134. Qshtik July 27, 2009 at 9:42 pm #

    That’s funny Turk. I was thinking of giving a similar answer but then I said hey wait a minute, my house HAS no ducts … so I gave a straight boring answer. I like your reply much better.

  135. Qshtik July 27, 2009 at 10:01 pm #

    “We will never have the solidarity that other nationalities have because everyone of us is descended from people who left their homes”
    A good point missed by Jaego.

  136. Qshtik July 27, 2009 at 10:05 pm #

    How naive. You obviously have no understanding of markets.

  137. Gary Brock July 27, 2009 at 10:05 pm #

    I am an Obama supporter, and like many others I am PROFOUNDLY disappointed. I am beginning to wonder if Obama is capable of having any sense of outrage. Is the job too big for him?
    We need an angry President. Obama, thus far, is too much Jackie Robinson for my liking…

  138. Qshtik July 27, 2009 at 10:16 pm #

    Asoka, I gotta hand it to you … you are the ultimate “good and faithful servant” of big government. Faithful to a fault.

  139. jerry July 27, 2009 at 10:29 pm #

    I am finally glad to see others, such as yourself, now calling Bernanke and Goldman Sachs key players in this financial crime syndicate. I have been calling it this way for a year on my blogspot.
    Now, Eliott Spitzer is calling what the Fed has done as a Ponzi scheme. It is more than the Fed, it is the entire financial crime syndicate creating this scheme. World’s Biggest Ponzi Scheme”.
    Obama needs to wake up and realize he has nearly played all his cards in just 8 months. What a fool! He brought it upon himself. He hired on the “boys” from inside the financial crime syndicate as “spies”. GS has been found out as manipulating the stock market in order to boost their bottom line. They have no fundamentals working for them. They just gamble as a way to make their cash flow work.

  140. Jaego Scorzne July 27, 2009 at 10:44 pm #

    No, no blog, but all Fascists are brothers. One of our symbols is the two headed axe or the two headed god Janus. One head looks to the past-the folkways of the people-and the other looks to the future. Communism is centrally organized too, but only looks to the future and has no respect for individual peoples or individuals. No two Fascisms will be the same but they will understand each other. Our Tradition, the Anglo Saxon, is unusually individualistic. That’s fine, I like it. But central organization is a must during crisis. Someone once defined Fascism as the Modern State under attack-not a bad working definition even though it leaves alot out.

  141. Nickelthrower July 27, 2009 at 10:46 pm #

    I love how these posts talk about the people becoming angry and the possibility of social unrest or vengeance directed towards the government or the banks. It will not happen unless a majority of Americans begin to get treated like African Americans were treated and even then it took a few generations of injustice before the cities finally went up in flames. As bad as things are, we’re no where near the levels of poverty or social injustice suffered by African Americans in the 20th Century.
    Next, most people under the age of 50 are just not educated well enough to understand what is happening. How can they be angry when they do not have the background to put any of these problems into perspective? I know this for a fact.
    I taught 10th grade World History and 12th grade Government for a whole two exciting years. I had to stop teaching because my students (my Seniors) read at a 3rd grade level. I know this for a fact because I had my students tested so as to better understand their grasp of what was going on. How could I possibly teach Government to someone that could barely read? How could I possibly teach history to that same group?
    I couldn’t but the administration passed them anyways regardless of what grade they earned. One teacher put it to me this way: we pretend to teach and they pretend to learn.
    Those kids we forgot to educate will bear the burden of this crisis and anyone with a fancy enough marketing slogan and a bit of food will earn their loyalty.
    Get ready for it.

  142. cowswithguns July 27, 2009 at 10:47 pm #

    Good job you two who are posting the pending-race-war-tinged comments. The ruling elite that Ben Bernake, Hank Paulson and Ken Lewis work for love that kind of stuff.
    Way to do your part to keep the corrupt status quo going.

  143. budizwiser July 27, 2009 at 10:50 pm #

    With regard to lawlessness, unreality and the failure of common sense in response to various national social/cultural disparities – I thought these attributes peaked with the Bush administration.
    I mean it was tough to beat the “war” on terror and “we fight them over there so we won’t have to fight them here.”
    Now comes billions to those who have just stolen billions. Selective government appointments to the vary people who perpetrated or ignored the biggest financial frauds known to civilization.
    What I want to know, is there any time in history where a government so actively supported criminals and ignored its responsibilities to govern?
    Is there a term for this behavior? Do these types of situations foment any particular outcome? Fascism, Maoism, Limbaughism?

  144. Dickmobile Mojocar Corp. July 27, 2009 at 11:05 pm #

    What we are party to is the cognative dissonance associated with peak oil economic dislocation. Obama is a shell, that’s assumed.
    But the underlying movement is growth at the expence of the organism of economic culture. When there can be no real growth because of our resource limits then growth becomes a parasite and preys upon the underclasses. I call this effect the “last bubble”.
    Where economic overlords “bubbleize productivity”.
    Simply put, human labor becomes worthless. In the future, seed patents and water rights become the “property” of the overlords, oh oops! That’s happening right now.

  145. Jaego Scorzne July 27, 2009 at 11:07 pm #

    Thank you. Very nice job too. You come to the same conclusions I do without invoking any of the classical conspiracy theories-some of which I believe btw. But you seem to leave the door open for some level of conscious subterfuge on the part of the Globalists. Read Bill Clinton’s old professor, Carol Quigley’s “Between Tragedy and Hope”-he gives the whole show away. He goes on for pages raving about what idiots conspiracy theorists are, and then he admits their basically right. We never claimed to know all the details-the minutes of the meetings are secret!
    Another valuable approach you take is the sociological. Robert Putnam of Harvard, celebrated for his famous “Bowling Alone”, has come out with new work showing the horrible effects of diversity on society: the core message was, “in the presence of diversity, we hunker down, he said. We act like turtles. The effect of diversity is worse than had been imagined. And it’s not just that we don’t trust people who are not like us. In diverse communities, we don’t trust people who do look like us.”
    Now get this, he sat on this report for years without publishing it, because he didn’t want to strengthen the anti-immigration lobby. What good little Maoists we have become, practicing self censorship. Now obviously, his work does have political implications, and he should think them through and change his political views accordingly. But nothing doing. He’s “sticking”. So much for “sitting down before the facts like a little child” as one scientist once put it. He finally published it and vowed to keep working with his colleagues, on ways to change or get around human nature. Political Correctness isn’t like a religion, it is a religion.

  146. PirateLaddie July 27, 2009 at 11:08 pm #

    The Roosevelt cousins made a name for themselves — and saved a nation, when they opted to betray their class for the benefit of society as a whole. I doubt if the greedhogs will allow that to happen again, especially since so many are “cosmopolitans” (remember that term, Jimmy?) rather than even faux nationalists. Granted that most of the assets lost in the financial bubble (along with various scams such as Madoff & his ilk) never really existed — kinda like, “if we had some bread, we could make ham sandwiches, if we had any ham.” Still & all, we should wonder what happened to the small fraction of “seed money” that these gonifs started out with. How much, indeed, was channeled overseas through the NY/NJ “charities.”
    There’s all kinds of chaff in the air, and if someone ignites it (remember what the hard core did to Rabin when he crossed ’em), we can only hope that those with the matches get burned, too.

  147. Jaego Scorzne July 27, 2009 at 11:17 pm #

    Just read The Stand again. Very cool stuff. As a misanthrope, part of me is looking forward to it all-from a distance I hope! And ecologically, it might be a blessing. As King says, the Earth will finally get to rest for generations. Have you read the book “The World Without Us”? They made a cool DVD and I guess it’s a series on tv now too. The area near Chernobyl is still abandoned and is full of deer, wolves, bears, and wild pigs. One of the few real wildernesses west of the Urals. A little radiation never hurt anyone.
    I’ve got to find out more about the Walking Dude. I’ve heard that he is actually a cosmic being and is described in The Dark Tower series by King.

  148. tcprdg July 27, 2009 at 11:23 pm #

    “What I want to know, is there any time in history where a government so actively supported criminals and ignored its responsibilities to govern?”
    Just a thought… I just (finally) started reading “The End of America” (Naomi Wolf) which might help answer your question.
    “Is there a term for this behavior?”
    Sure… it’s Malignant Narcissism, along with an endearing mix of various Sociopathic and Psychopathic behaviors/personality disorders.
    “Do these types of situations foment any particular outcome?”
    With Narcissists, Sociopaths and Psychopaths, the outcome always sucks (there is no cure for such diseases).
    But worse still… back ’em into a corner, and all bets are off.

  149. asoka July 27, 2009 at 11:29 pm #

    So the ductless people need not have commented.
    The CFM leakage in the pressurized house pre-test was 323. After sealing the ducts under the house the post-test was 104 leakage. So now my system is three times more efficient than it was yesterday.
    Thanks to the big bad scary ‘guvmint’
    The equipment used to find the leaks cost over $2,000. Nothing I could have gone down to the local hardware store to purchase.
    Thanks to Obama it was free… and the guys who did the work are getting $40 per hour… the jobs the Economic Recovery Act creates are not burger-flipping minimum wage jobs. They are jobs that can support a family, jobs that increase the community tax base, jobs that really do stimulate the local economy. Thanks to the big bad scary federal ‘guvmint’

  150. Jaego Scorzne July 27, 2009 at 11:35 pm #

    The old immigrants were untied by race and Christianity, even if not of the same ethne or denomination. And they tried to fit in and America instisted that they do so. And America was growing as Ryder says and could fit them in. But that stage of national life is long over. We are much weaker now and much more full. We don’t have the will to insist people assimilate and they aren’t. Example: some Chinese aren’t bothering to learn English, just Spanish. And people who are thrilled with bilingualism are out to lunch. They’re just like Al Gore, out in the blizzard in his bathing suit. As he mistranslated E Plurubus Unim-Out of One, Many. The Morons will learn the importance of a national language for a nation when Spanish becomes a requirement for civil service. In other words, when they lose their job.

  151. asoka July 27, 2009 at 11:44 pm #

    “What I want to know, is there any time in history where a government so actively supported criminals and ignored its responsibilities to govern?”
    What a question! Hasn’t every time throughout human history been characterized by organized theft of one class by another?
    So why the big stink about GS… as if it is something new happening.
    When you deregulate (as Reagan did) and give the uppermost classes tax cuts and bailouts (as Bush did), then of course greed becomes institutionalized.
    Yet many still promote the capitalism that is now raping the planet, the same capitalism that has produced a country (USA) with a lower standard of living than the European democratic socialist countries.
    Yet Reagan and Bush’s policies are still defended by a minority… some of whom are now bitching about the GS situation they themselves have created through fostering unregulated “free market” capitalist greed.

  152. Kiwi Nick July 28, 2009 at 12:01 am #

    This front-running racket is only one example of big players gaming the system, which comes about when you let the players get too big.
    There are plenty of other examples of big players defrauding society in all sorts of ways.
    I think the true answer is you never let companies get too big – use the existing taxation laws (that define “relatedness”), and new laws to heavily weigh against companies larger than $X.
    McDonalds seems to do quite well (remembering they are a whole string of unrelated small businesses tied together by a franchise).
    How we get this through, when large companies hold the keys to the white house – now that’s an interesting one.
    I’ll finish with other examples of gaming.
    1. Freddie Mac & Fannie May. Because they’re so big, it’s easy for Govt to believe that they can’t be allowed to fail. Therefore here’s a few billion in TARP money.
    2. Same again for AIG. And the Bank of New Zealand (twice!).
    3. In Australia: we have a lot of PPP (Public-Private-Partnership) infrastructure projects, which have a nasty habit of pushing risk onto the taxpayers (or in one case, uninformed investors).
    3a. The toll-road proprieters (CityLink in Melbourne) persuaded the government to construct an extra off-ramp (Exhibition St) completely at taxpayer expense. Result? A choked CBD and it turned a doubtful investment into a roaring success.
    3b. Another toll-road: Lots of investors bought units in BTR – problem was that no-one told these investors that these units were partly paid – that a $1 installment was due [a few months ago now], and another $1 installment is due [next year?]. They were trading at 1c, but when everyone realised, the market froze, so there’s now quite a few people who now owe millions.
    Anyone wanna guess why there’s now a lot of people in countries like Ghana who own these units?
    Moral of the story: make sure any share you buy has “FPO” [Fully Paid Ordinary] on it.
    4. Crown Casino in Melbourne – given extra licenses for extra tables in a backroom secret deal.
    5. Emissions Trading Scheme: [the Cap-n-Trade] looks like another opportunity for the big end of town to manipulate it to suit themselves.
    6. Mining companies – they promise billions to the natives, but they poison their land and hardly ever pay up. And companies like Shell have people executed.
    7. Even the charities are in on the act: The Red Cross – one of the largest charities in Australia: they were given $300m in donations for the bushfire victims, but people are still living in tents six months after the fires [and remember it’s freezing winter here – July]. The donating public were gamed big time.

  153. Qshtik July 28, 2009 at 12:04 am #

    “Thanks to Obama it was free”
    Hahaha … FREE! hahahahahahaha … come on Asoka, your killing me … some beer just squirted outta my nose.

  154. Qshtik July 28, 2009 at 12:12 am #

    Asoka, your comment does not apply to anything I wrote. It must have been somebody else who wrote “What I want to know, is there any time in history where a government so actively supported criminals and ignored its responsibilities to govern?”

  155. Ryder July 28, 2009 at 12:13 am #

    You are still comparing apples to oranges, taking two extraoardinarily different situations and treating them as if they are similar. They aren’t. At the end of the day, real wages were rising during the period of white immigration, and they are stagnating or declining now – and yet the demand for more immigration remains. In other words, there is cheap labor – and then there is CHEAP labor.
    As to this comment: “And, anyway, my other point was that just because someone is “white” doesn’t make them one of my tribe, the way a Frenchman might think of his countrymen.”
    You are of course entitled to identify as you wish. I’m just saying that how one identifies has consequences. Maybe you like the consequences, maybe not. But they are there.
    For example, like it or not, when white racial identity was stronger, it was politically possible to shut off the floodgates in 1924. Now it’s not, as long as the current system stands (perhaps not much longer). Again, ideas have consequences. One of the reasons, amongst others,is that the various non-white groups have now reached a level of political strength that they want more of their own kinsmen admitted. You may identify with them, but I’m not so confident that they identify with you. I don’t think you have a tribe, I think you have an abstraction. Or maybe unrequited love!
    But, for good or bad, the fact remains: it was possible to shut off the floodgates in 24. It’s not now (as long as the current system survives, anyway). Back then, all that had to be defeated were the business interests. That was tough enough, and it was a close call. Now, you’d have to beat the business interests, politically correct ideology, and the non-white groups that seek expansion in their numbers. Whole different ballgame.
    Beliefs have consequences. Once organic defenses of a community are stripped, there are going to be consequences. I, for one, am not thrilled about stagnating or declining wages, exploitation, and degradation of our natural resources. It would seem perfectly rational to drastically reduce, perhaps even eliminate immigration for a good long time. However, current racial politics make that impossible. It would be “racist” to do so, since 90 percent of immigrants are not white.

  156. Qshtik July 28, 2009 at 12:26 am #

    Kiwi, half the people in America can’t find Australia on a map and you think they’re going to understand what you’re talking about in 3B? … hahaha … we have no friggin idea … although you’ve probably made some excellent point that any Aussie would understand.

  157. turkle July 28, 2009 at 12:30 am #

    White Fascism, eh Jerkoff? What a great idea!
    You got Hitler and the Nazis. Yeah, that worked out real good for everyone involved.
    Then there’s Mussollini, the originator of the term, who, as I recall, was first kicked out of Italy and then strung up on a lamppost by his own people.
    And then there’s the neo-Nazis and the like, another big bunch of winners.
    So good luck wit dat whole thing. I’m sure you’ll do great.

  158. Kiwi Nick July 28, 2009 at 3:56 am #

    Fair point, try this: http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24114867-3122,00.html
    (It’s to do with a company building some toll-roads in Brisbane, Australia). After that story came out, the price of the securities went all the way to 1c.
    @the rest of America
    Please get out a world map and locate Australia, New Zealand, the UK (and do I have to say Canada???) on the map before The Chaser pulls any more pranks on you. Add other countries according to taste.
    Apologies delay in posting: this Movable Type system is hardly functional.

  159. JayinPortland July 28, 2009 at 5:20 am #

    PeteF says – “C’mon Jim. I know us savage right-wingers are a favorite target of yours, but what about a “savage left-winger”? I seem to recall a fella named Lenin who went a long way on mindless vengeance.”
    When you can point us to any recent examples of “savage left-wingers” murdering doctors or opening fire at Holocaust museums? Let us know, Pete.
    Until then, we’re going to have to go on empirical evidence; and say yes, it is right-wingers who resort to savage violence in 2009 America, whether it hurts your delicate feelings or not.

  160. JayinPortland July 28, 2009 at 5:40 am #

    Ah, and on top of that there’s also the recent verdict here in Oregon, where a right-wing “faith healing” couple was allowed to murder their child and get off with much less than even a slap on the wrist –
    These are your people, and these things are happening now, not 60 years ago.
    I understand it’s hard for right-wingers to grasp facts, but it’s a necessity when one chooses to engage in debate.

  161. Danm July 28, 2009 at 7:29 am #

    It would seem perfectly rational to drastically reduce, perhaps even eliminate immigration for a good long time. However, current racial politics make that impossible.
    When you start seeing creeping protectionism, you know you’re in for a rough ride.
    Limiting the flow of people is a band-aid solution. Because when you have 6 billion people on the planet and 300M living in relative luxury, you’re sure to have osmosis. You can throw you entire GDP at keeping them out, but they’ll find a way in.
    All you do is increase the wealth discrepancy which makes their labor even more attractive to those pesky capitalist cheats. How do you think we got to where we are in the first place? This discrepancy has given us an unsustainable quality of life and we are fast approaching the limits of our ways.
    The reason why Amercia is where it is, a culture with a lack of ethics is because there is cheap labor outside its borders. As long as this cheap labor exists, the pressure will be there.
    The other issue is that America has a huge percentage of its population with the same level of skills as those in merging makrets, yet live in relative luxury. Why should a garbageman in America live in a big house with 3 cars while the garbagemen in emerging markets live in dumpy conditions.
    It’s hard to believe that this trend can continue forever, especially as the couhtry approaches bankruptcy.
    Racism and discrimination intensify when resources get limited. It’s the easiest way for groups of people to ration the portions. They start with women, the disabled and the elderly and then it devolves into other groups.
    Honestly, I think we are all standing in front of a moving train. No matter what we do, there is going to be a redistribution of wealth and most in the western world will not like it.

  162. Danm July 28, 2009 at 8:06 am #

    One hundred years ago, wages were most probably equal across the globe. If you wanted to reduce your costs of labor, you bought slaves.
    Today, for equal labor, wages are MUCH higher in the developed world. So if you want to cut your costs, you outsource to emerging markets.
    I find it interesting that Americans are violently opposed to socialism and sold to capitalism in this context. It shows how truly brain wahsed and out of touch with reality they really are. Mind you, we can probably say this of the entire western world but most other countries have sensed that socialism was essential. Unfortunately, they have not been able to compete against a capitalit giant focused on short term results since socialism can not work without mid to long term vision. And for most of the human race, 5 years is too long.
    Don’t they see that capitalism can only get more destructive? First of all, with a growing economy, you will need more resources, more external “food”. This should collide with protectionism. Furthermore, the only way you will get firms to produce in the US is with special regulation. Thus making pure free markets impossible.
    This American idelogical stubborness will be their death blow, as will an ever expanding economy based on materialism. At one point, the demand for resources will be so great and the discrepancy between the haves and the have nots so huge that the whole thing will implode.
    I think we are on our way there but our governments might be able to push it off for another decade.
    I guess we’ll just have to see.

  163. TedC July 28, 2009 at 8:08 am #

    Hi Brian,
    Finally! an on topic post.
    This place is being consumed by pie fights with trolls.
    Please don’t feed the trolls. If they don’t get a response, they will eventually go away and find someone else to terrorize.
    I can see why Jim doesn’t respond to emails…

  164. Danm July 28, 2009 at 8:32 am #

    In our current context I only see 2 solutions:
    1. That America embraces socialism. Unbridled capitalism will only look for cheaper labor, leaving many more Americans jobless or underemployed until we get a worldwide convergence in wages.
    That won’t happen in my lifetime!
    2. Or that we quickly and drastically devaluate the US dollar to promote US labor.
    My guess is that TPTB will choose option 2. And when that happens, energy and resources will get very expensive. And materialism will automatically be forced to much lower levels.
    So all our conversations and debate are moot because when TSHTF, the forces of nature will do the heavy lifting for us. And the more we fight them, the more wicked they will be.

  165. zzzzzz July 28, 2009 at 8:45 am #

    “You guys happen to have a whole house digital pressure and flow gauge hooked to a huge exhaust fan to pressurize your house and take readings?
    Didn’t think so.
    How do you do that without government assistance or without investing in a shitload of expensive equipment you will only use once?”
    Hey moron, you don’t need a government gizz-ometer. You need a flash light and a pair of reasonably good eyes. (Try government issued glasses, however, they may not be quite good enough.) You morons waiting for Uncle Sam crack me up. “It’s cold/hot”, you whine. “When’s the government going to come fix it?” Heres a clue, just about the time they fix the global climate. Fucking MORON.

  166. zzzzzz July 28, 2009 at 8:47 am #

    “Could you please tell me all the evil stuff that Obama has done so far so I get my facts straight?”
    I don’t think he has done anything that is evil. I DO think he has done a lot of things that are stupid.

  167. zzzzzz July 28, 2009 at 8:49 am #

    “Sentiments I agree with 100% and stated without a single “Moron” or “Fucktard.” I may have influenced you after all.”
    No FUCKTARD. Now shut the fuck up.

  168. zzzzzz July 28, 2009 at 8:54 am #

    ‘Any reply to OEO (or Parrotboy as I nicknamed him here months ago) is by definition, a waste of time.’
    Yikes! This coming from a FUCKTARD that wastes all kinds of time replying to Parrotboy (As you nicknamed me here months ago.) You da shit, Parrotboys-shit-that-fell-out-of-the-sky!

  169. zzzzzz July 28, 2009 at 9:02 am #

    A summation of asoka-the-producers stupidity:
    “Thanks to Obama it was free… and the guys who did the work are getting $40 per hour…”
    It was FREE. Yet a couple of guys were getting $40.00 per hour, using equipment that costs at least $2000.00?
    Only in the mind of a complete imbecile could the word FREE be used as an adjective for what you describe. What you really mean is that as a non-taxpaying leech, it cost YOU nothing. It was not, however, FREE. This is the mind set of an Obamaholic. Hopelessly deranged, without the simplest notion of cause and effect.

  170. G8REngineer July 28, 2009 at 9:12 am #

    In the meantime, the US economy gives the illusion of recovery – but to what? Back to a “consumer” credit card shopping orgy? Another house-buying fiesta? I don’t think so.
    Regardless of the criticisms of which president did this or that, the statement above is what should cause most discussion.
    Newsweek declared “the Recession is Over!” this week. The media is reporting the recession is ended. However, unemployment (yes, a laggind indicator) is increasing rapidly and the government’s method of reporting is completely misleading. My wife and I are both unemployed (business owners now earning nothing), but not counted by the government. I have friends with their own companies that are not counted – but not earning. I know more people losing houses and filing bankruptcy from their “Rented Lifestyles”.
    This “bubble” was a house of cards built on sand and Jim is entirely correct that you can not fix a bubble with another bubble. That sad thing is most people refuse to acknowledge what is truly happening around us. They would rather follow the coverage of Michael Jackson, watch multi-millionaires play baseball, and read weekly maagazines like “In Touch” than to take time to understand what the government is doing and what is happening in the economy.
    The amount of debt we are selling weekly through bond auctions will ultimately crush our economy. The stock market may be up – but main street is continuing to spiral downward.
    Unfortunately, it is difficult to maintain the careful balance between optimism and pragmatism.

  171. Ed Nauseum July 28, 2009 at 9:51 am #

    “Are you claiming that I have said something in my postings here that is wrong? If so please be so kind as to point it out.”
    OEO, I have two examples. The nonsense you posted about more US service people dying during the Clinton admin than during the Bush 43 admin (not true, duh). And the presentation of all those global-warming-denier signatories to the Oregon Petition that you claimed were all scientists (many weren’t). That’s what got you banned the first time, I suspect.
    Not to mention all the strawmen you throw up at anyone who argues with you.

  172. wagelaborer July 28, 2009 at 10:44 am #

    You can’t fix a bubble with a bubble?
    And yet, when the dot com bubble burst and we had a recession in 2001, it was nipped in the bub by increasing government spending (wars x2 and a massive internal repressive apparatus employing millions) AND lowering interest rates to stimulate a house buying and refinancing frenzy, leading to increased consumer spending.
    I believe that cap and trade is their attempt to form a new bubble that will lead to continued wealth for the financial class.
    The thing is, you have to wipe out the fake wealth generated in the last bubble for that to work. And that wasn’t done. We are pretending that the fake wealth promised can be paid back AND that we can create vast new fake wealth in a new bubble.
    Well, not we. The ruling class.

  173. badnewswade July 28, 2009 at 10:45 am #

    My God. The 2000 election was not an aberration. America has become a banana republic.
    Meanwhile our own pols plan to force people to take out compulsory private unemployment insurance. The chairman of one of Europes biggest insurance companies is negotiating with the government on the concession. They don’t even try to hide how corrupt they are anymore- even Mussolini had more class than these fuckers!
    And yes, anger will be contained or directed away from our rulers, as the Left blame the Jews for everything and the Right blame black people. So basicaly we’re going to have some race riots soon as bread and circuses have become too expensive. The bastards at the top never get what’s coming to them. Fuckers.

  174. turkle July 28, 2009 at 11:09 am #

    No, OEO got his accounts banned three times because you people (sheep actually, all of you!) can’t handle the TRUTH, fucking morons.

  175. asoka July 28, 2009 at 11:22 am #

    OEO said: “It was not, however, FREE.”
    You are right, it will cost the middle east nations who won’t receive as much due to increased energy efficiency and less money sent to them… and that money that stays here will create more stimulus in the local economy.
    It wasn’t free… free is neutral… it is a positive cash flow generator.

  176. Andy Williams July 28, 2009 at 12:07 pm #

    Jaego, no I don’t believe whites have the right to their own countries. I don’t believe any colour has a right to it’s own country based on that colour, that is a disgusting belief. I’m white. I don’t have a problem with any colour, race, religion, creed, sexuality, gender or any combination thereof.
    I served a full career in the British Army as an Infantry soldier for 22 years and my Regiment was the first one into Bosnia in late 1992. I saw first hand what beliefs like that lead to. People who think along lines of ethnic purity or some form of apartheid are intellectually immature at best and foaming nazis at worst.

  177. k gleason July 28, 2009 at 1:20 pm #

    ‘cap and trade is their attempt to form a new bubble that will lead to continued wealth for the financial class.’
    TELL US MORE…clearly theres more to the picture than meets the eye!
    and few at this blog or in the press wonder whats happening
    like i wrote here xfedvicechair? alan blinder assures us via wallstjournal
    ‘ economy has bottomed and is improving’
    well you can eat paper and the usa is a post industrail society

  178. k gleason July 28, 2009 at 1:24 pm #

    when the power elites…[put any name you wish here] speak in the media always see thru what they say!:
    well it is if yr bush/clinton/grennspan/etc

  179. k gleason July 28, 2009 at 1:30 pm #

    but the TOO BIG scary govt is dropping bombs and doing the work of the dynasty families
    look at the TEA parties
    Obama called them ‘ unhealthy’

  180. k gleason July 28, 2009 at 1:34 pm #

    Is the job too big for him?
    what bills did he vote on?

  181. Jaego Scorzne July 28, 2009 at 2:49 pm #

    Thank you for your honesty. Because of you and people like you, the West is doomed. You cannot have Western Civilization without White people. And Whites have been earmarked for destruction by the Global Elites-yes, almost all White or Jewish (Jews don’t consider themselves White, possibly a significant factor in all this). Now only Whites are being asked to destroy themselves for the good of the world. And only Whites would be stupid eneough to obey-all because of ideology. We are obviously the most “mental” of the Races and obviously the most prone to be controled by ideology and bizzare suicidal idealism-totally disconnected from biological realities and the commonplace realities of community and family. And such people claim to love the Earth! They will protest the extinction of every species exept their own. They will bemoan the the loss of diversity among American Apples yet welcome the loss of diversity among humans. And call this the Rainbow! As Abbeybooks says, each race and culture has its own gifts, therefore blend them all into Cafe au Latte. No “Sister”. The Rainbow is only the Rainbow because the colors are separate. Ever play with paints as a kid? Do you get a rainbow when you mix them all together? No, you get a mud color, oh sorry, Cafe au Latte.
    Now what I said above is quite wholly true. China and Japan have been asked several times to start taking in third worlders. Usually they just treat such requests with the contempt they deserve-silence. But Japan did take some Vietmanese Boat People once-and they were treated with contempt on a day to day basis until they left of their own accord. The Japanese are so ethnocentric they can’t even deal with their cousins the Koreans. And the Koreans like the Vietmanese, perpetrated horrors on the mixed race children left behind by American G.I’s. And the Chinese? Do you really want to know? Ok, one of the reasons behind the Tianemen Square Movement was the Goverment’s favoritism to African Students-giving them more money than the native Chinese. What really blew it up was African dating habits. Among the Chinese, it’s customary to get to know some one before asking them out. Among Africans, be it Here, Africa, or China, it’s more like, “Hey Mamma”. Needless to say, a few dates gone bad, and the Chinese Students were frothing at the mouth. And in one city, Shanghai I believe, it lead to outright ethnic violence against the Africans. As Flip Wilson used to say, “The devil (testosterone) made me do it”.
    China and Japan have survived for thousands of years because of their Ethnocentrism. And they may survive thousands more because of it. America will go the way of Ancient Egypt, the Austo-Hungarian Empire and oh yes thank you, Yugoslavia. Race, Ethnicity, Religion, and Language are all important. Even one missing can cause a split. The Central Americans are of a different race and speak a different language-and they have a deep historical grudge against us. They will take the whole country, no continent if allowed. The French and the English of Quebec were much more similar than us and the Mexicans. But the factors of language and ethnicity combined with hisorical grudges, and the general loss of power by the francophone world relative to the English Peoples lead to intense resentment and a complete impasse. But the French ethnocentrism would have served them well in the Long Emergency if they had only factored in Race. But they only focused on Language and brought in countless Haitians and West African Frenchies. Their doom is assured along with the rest of Canada.

  182. turkle July 28, 2009 at 2:53 pm #

    Can I buy a paragraph Jerkoff?
    Where do you get this crap?

  183. Ryder July 28, 2009 at 3:13 pm #

    “You can throw you entire GDP at keeping them out, but they’ll find a way in.”
    This is demonstrably not the case. There are plenty of wealthy countries that have little to no immigration, legal or illegal. Certainly there are many wealthy countries that have, at worst, a negligible problem in this area compared to formerly white nations. See many of the East Asian countries, just for starters.
    The reality is that a tribe/nation/whatever is more than capable of maintaining itself unless a belief system like political correctness paralyzes it. If you make the Japanese ashamed of being Japanese, they’ll start experiencing the same problems, with disastrous results.
    Political correctness is touted as being tolerant and enlightened. In fact, it merely provides cover for domination and control by those that have the most money – powerful business and financial interests. Who are amongst the biggest supporters of political correctness? The big corporations. Look at their commercials. Also, they fund politically correct groups, but don’t give a single dime to any pro-white group. Not a single dime. Millions going one way, nothing going in the other. Follow the money.
    In a politically correct society that has destroyed the traditional fabric, everyone is reduced to a deracinated and atomized “consumer.” Perfecto, at least from a certain point of view. Needless to say, I don’t share that point of view, but to each his own.
    Without the paralyzing belief of political correctness (directed almost entirely at whites, and only whites) a people has no problem maintaining itself and maintaining organic continuity. The East Asians do it, because it is perfectly natural. Whites can’t do it, because that would be racist. We must be mere flies of a summer. Fat, bloated, consumer flies. Again, beliefs have consequences. Too many things are painted as inevitable that in fact are not.

  184. zzzzzz July 28, 2009 at 3:20 pm #

    “It wasn’t free… free is neutral… it is a positive cash flow generator.”
    Umm, you used the term FREE. Now you want to call it a “positive cash flow generator”? Are you working on the script for the sequel Dumb And Dumberer Part Three? If so please make certain you write yourself into the script as the lead character.

  185. turkle July 28, 2009 at 3:41 pm #

    Japan is an island, and therefore it is incredibly easy to keep everyone else out. Just don’t let them off the boat. By contrast, the United States shares the longest border between a rich and a poor country on the planet. There is not a Political Correctness conspiracy to turn the United States into Mexamerica. It is simple population and economic dynamics. They are quite poor down there, and Mexico is overpopulated. The good paying jobs are here, not there. Simple stuff, really, and you don’t need to rely on some silly idea that there is a vast corporate conspiracy to explain it.
    Also, the United States has a “live and let live” attitude strongly embedded in its culture, so that rounding up millions of people who are already here, even if they are illegals, would be a huge controversial crap storm. So no one is willing to tackle that problem head on.
    And BTW there are plenty of examples of multi-cultural political bodies that lasted quite a long time. The Persian and Roman Empires come to mind. Russia is another. India also has quite a bit of cultural diversity within its borders.
    By contrast, the type of one people, one state idea that you drool over leads can lead to countries like Nazi Germany.
    Political Correctness, if you’ve been paying any attention whatsoever, is LOSING ground. See recent Supreme Court cases on racial discrimination against whites, etc. I don’t feel like explaining that to you, but the high water mark of that cultural phenomenon clearly occurred some time ago. And its primary supporters are not in corporate America but the academic world.

  186. Cthulhu July 28, 2009 at 4:09 pm #

    “India also has quite a bit of cultural diversity within its borders.”
    And regularly occurring riots, too.
    Google :
    Results 1 – 10 of about 247,000 for india communal violence
    And there’s riots in England, France, Tibet, etc.
    Which brings to mind an interesting piont: Why do you support Tibet’s cultural freedom, but not other nation’s?

  187. Qshtik July 28, 2009 at 4:21 pm #

    I sit here and read every comment on this blog (I can, I’m retired) and concoct images of the annonymous characters who post here.
    Take Asoka … (pleeeze) I see Asoka as a mid-level bureaucrat making high 5 figures. He (I say “he” uncertainly) wears Dockers, a button-down short-sleeve shirt made in Bangladesh (40% polyester) purchased at Costco along with a striped tie and penny loafers. His employer’s dress code is “dressdown” all week so a tie is not required but Asoka wears one anyway. He drives to the train station in a non-descript gray Ford Focus. Asoka is happy living in America, happy with our new president, and happy with his wife and 2 children but his wife suffers in silence with sexual fantasies involving the swarthy mailman with the pleasant smile and the lump in his shorts. His son paints his toenails but his daughter doesn’t. Inexplicable to Asoka (and the only dark cloud) is WHY people are turned off, rather than charmed, by his relentless optimism.
    Jaego Scorzne, on the other hand, does not conjure up a mental image … just questions. Where does this guy live? Does he keep a secret cache of weapons? Is his property surrounded by a chainlink fence with razorwire? Does he have a wife and kids? Do they beg him not to discuss politics when their friends are over? Does he invite the neighbors for a cook-out and make small talk about the upside of fascism? Does the FBI stake out his house 24/7? What kind of a name is Jaego Scorzne anyway or is it just an internet handle?
    In the case of ZZZZZZ all I see is a teary-eyed wife begging her husband to take advantage of the free and confidential anger management sessions offered under his employer’s health package and him screeming I’M NOT ANGRY YOU FUCKIN MORON!!

  188. AlienArtefact July 28, 2009 at 4:25 pm #

    Hey Y’all,
    Maybe Uncle Jim is finally waking up from his private dreamworld. For a bright guy he’s got some VERY naiive beliefs.
    As if the elites don’t know about peak oil
    As if the elites didn’t stage manage Obama’s election
    As if subprime etc wasn’t a planned pump and dump
    As if 9/11 was done by a bunch of Arabs from a cave in Afghanistan
    As if it was “unfortunate” that there were no WMDs in Irag
    As if swine flu isn’t a warm up for a planned pandemic
    If you do a bit of basic research, its clear GS has been running scams for many years as a front for the elites, Fed Reserve boysclub etc.
    Wake up Jim, they (the elites) don’t give a shit about anything except building their own powerbase, wealth and survival base.
    Even if zero point energy or some other sci-fi/alien technology lifeline comes along to offset peak oil, the majority of us are gone, gone, gone.
    The equation of: 6.5B people x lifestyle aspirations/planetary biosystems just doesn’t compute.
    Republican or Democrat,
    SUV or hybrid driver,
    gun totin, truck drivin redneck or tree huggin, pinko greenie makes no freakin difference.
    The last 50 years has been the best and biggest party in recorded human history, but we’re all in bonus time now and the music stops soon. Enjoy it while you still can.
    We all get to die sooner or later, it might just be sooner than you think.

  189. turkle July 28, 2009 at 4:34 pm #

    And there isn’t much rioting in the United States, one of the most culturally diverse countries on the planet.
    There has been a lot of rioting in Iran lately, pretty much all by ethnic Persians.
    And who said anything about Tibet? I, frankly, do not care.
    So what was your point again?

  190. farmerswife July 28, 2009 at 4:55 pm #

    “Hey, he’s part of the problem and is trying to appeal to Sgt. Crowley’s sense of nationalism??
    Since the release of the 911 tapes, a quick comparison between what REALLY happened and what bullshit Crowley claimed happened in the police report, reveals that Crowley is a thin skinned bully, perfectly willing to lie and break the law if he thinks he’s not getting the proper respect from an uppity “citizen” who not only knows, but absolutely INSISTS the Officer respect his rights.
    Nevermind nationalism, if Crowley had any sense of decency AT ALL, now that he’s been exposed, he would apologize to Gates, Obama, and his fellow officers for putting them all in a bad light, and retire.

  191. messianicdruid July 28, 2009 at 5:02 pm #

    “When you deregulate (as Reagan did) and give the uppermost classes tax cuts and bailouts (as Bush did), then of course greed becomes institutionalized.”
    You conveniently left out any mention of Clinton’s assistance in removing the Glass-Steagal Act.

  192. asoka July 28, 2009 at 5:08 pm #

    Crowley’s police report is a written confession of his guilt in violating the law by engaging in a false arrest.
    The 911 tapes are proof that Gates was not “disorderly” and was not in any way threatening to Crowley.
    Gates was guilty of being in his house while black.

  193. asoka July 28, 2009 at 5:10 pm #

    Clinton is guilty not only of removing the Glass-Steagal Act, but also of promoting NAFTA.
    We have equal opportunity politicians. No party has a monopoly on greed and immoral behavior.

  194. Cthulhu July 28, 2009 at 5:17 pm #

    So what was your point again?
    You don’t know what the hell you are writing about, primarily.
    Also, mass immigration from other cultures results in prejudice, resentment, scapegoating, and, eventially, riots.
    As seen in Brixton, Paris, etc.
    Mass immigration is responsible for half the population growth in America. It reduces the wages for the working poor, increases their rents, diminishes their schools ability to teach- but you don’t give a fuck, eh? Not your problem.

  195. asoka July 28, 2009 at 5:27 pm #

    It was a particularly rough time for immigrants between 1870 to 1920. But they (white and non-white immigrants) made possible America’s economic growth and rise to prominence as a global power.
    Throughout USA history small businesses has comprised over three-fourths of America’s economy. The small business field was, without exaggeration, dominated by immigrants.
    FACT: In every U.S. census from 1880 onward, immigrants accounted for a greater percentage of small business owners than natives.
    These immigrant businesses greatly expanded the country’s productivity and job openings, creating jobs for immigrants and natives alike.
    Moreover, immigration fueled industrialization. In 1910, foreign-born persons comprised about 53% of the national industrial labor force. So not only did immigrants carry the small business field; they played an indispensable role in large industries as well. One can say with certainty that America would not have reached the status of a global economic power in those days were it not for the contributions of immigrants.

  196. turkle July 28, 2009 at 5:33 pm #

    What a load of bollocks.
    Where in any of my posts have I stated that I am for “mass migration”? I’m just discussing the issue. Way to make false assumptions.
    Anyways, I think you were looking for asoka. You’ll find plenty to argue with there. (Ducks and covers)

  197. turkle July 28, 2009 at 5:37 pm #

    “I sit here and read every comment on this blog”
    Now that’s a scary thought…

  198. Cthulhu July 28, 2009 at 5:50 pm #

    Mass immigration means growth. Growth, today, now, not in 1910, means “over-shoot” beyond carrying capacity. Unlimited growth is the ideology of a cancer cell. Are we smarter than yeast?

  199. turkle July 28, 2009 at 6:23 pm #

    People breeding and consuming in their own countries rather than coming here is still growth. The world is one inter-connected system. People in many other countries depend on the US for food just like we depend on other countries for oil, among many other things. To think that America can somehow escape the main effects of global population overshoot by not allowing in immigrants from other countries is a false premise.

  200. JackR July 28, 2009 at 6:26 pm #

    The Goldman Sachs caper is evil, no doubt, but what about the profit analysis trick where all these Dow companies beat the Street estimates?????
    I see the scenario as this:
    1; With all the relative data at their fingertips, the Wall Street shysters work out that Company X is going to earn a profit of 36 cents a share.
    2; They then make a big play of estimating Company X will earn 26 cents a share, while at the same time, buy up the stock at bargain basement prices.
    3; Company X duly reports profit of 37 cents a share and gets high praise from the Wall Street shysters for beating their estimate..
    4, Dopey traders that are not “in the know”, jump in and buy the stock, upping the price to where the shysters sell and make another very shonky profit.
    Run this over 20 or so companies and the shysters have made another small fortune

  201. budizwiser July 28, 2009 at 7:03 pm #

    So if an “open” society, in which people appear to elect representatives can become a comical facade for pervasive corruption and limitless greed; what types of excesses by the powerful can generate a nexus for revolutionary activities?
    Clearly, there is capacity for “blind abdication” of individual needs for an imagined, unquestioning attention to particular social figures. Witness the outpouring of actions by millions of American over the death of Michael Jackson.
    Is there no activity vile enough to spur this type of response to the men of government and finance who have stolen this nation’s wealth and much of its population’s leisure and well being?
    Is there any communication that can be made? Any method, any medium capable of eliciting a visceral, powerful connection between these greedy men and the ugly, dreary future of decreasing standards of living and loss of any chance for economic advancement.
    Does history produce any clues? How does a revolt start? What spurs a riot? Perhaps this is all academic for now. But at some point, when enough people realize the connection, either through a “rock star” or a demi-god – there will be a response.
    But for now, people just aren’t connecting the dots. But crimes committed for all to see, seldom go unpunished forever.

  202. Jaego Scorzne July 28, 2009 at 7:49 pm #

    Those people in other coutries are going to starve to death. And we are going to have to learn to do without oil. We are in a better position than them since food is more fundamental than oil-but only if we can keep them out. There wont be eneough for us and them so we choose us. If you choose them, than you are not one of us. James Howard Kunstler wrote a book about this called, “The Long Emergency”. The political implications mentioned above are my own and he might not agree with them. In any case, all foregin aid is now treason-in fact, it always was.
    As Mr Kunstler says, things are going to get real local real fast.

  203. k gleason July 28, 2009 at 7:59 pm #

    according to news reports theres a nation wide drought in China pushing it close to famine, supposedly.
    Since the Cgovt is cash rich if there is a famine and they choose to buy food T Hartmans prediction 15? years back that chinas importing food will
    ‘Rock food prices worldwide’ may come true.
    GROWTH is a term used by the power elites thru Tv and wallst Journal etc…our economy grows as the quality of life collapses and water is privatized…
    privatizing water helps economic growth…..
    theres a cut vid on youtube called

  204. bahmi July 28, 2009 at 8:00 pm #

    Tell me just exactly how Obama wiggled out of harm’s way for his stupid comment about the Cambridge police. I’ll tell you. He thought he’d bullshit us all by pretending to be the peacemaker, by assuming to his audience of suckup media and adoring public that he was the referee. Not! Obama and Gates are working collaboratively, bro’s side by side, to try and buy Crowley out with a 12 ounce bottle of brew. How lovely!! I’m sure you all would gladly give up your medical malpractice lawsuits prepared by greaser lawyers for a beer, too, right? You aren’t ready to buy Florida swampland, you already own it, if you feel Obama is the nice guy in the middle of these other two guys. Hey, you probably love HotLips Sotomayor, too.
    Obama is dirty and you’ll see that dirt as we bump and grind through his presidency. Once the Feds control the health industry, all you carrying a beer gut better get ready to get religion….pronto.

  205. k gleason July 28, 2009 at 8:05 pm #

    I have spent time in Asia and Mexico
    Having been there I very much disagree
    if you can remember back even 30 years in usa..hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
    and theres crime
    last week while Gates/obama had page 1 in pheonix az an 8 year old refugee was gang raped by other refugees
    her muslim dady doesnt want her back
    and virginia tech since the massacre…a chinese guy beheaded a woman in the cafeteria

  206. Jaego Scorzne July 28, 2009 at 8:25 pm #

    The tapes mostly just pick up the dispatcher and Crowley. That doesn’t mean the Gatesey Pooh wasn’t bad mouthing Crowley at other times or in the house. The tapes do show, contrary to media attempts to fan the flames, that the origianl caller never said Black Man breaking in. The whole thing would have blown over but Gates is a vicious, little jive turkey. Later in front of the camera, this blow hard called Sgt Crowley a racist and rogue cop-in other words trying to ruin his career. Absolutely despicable. Unfortunately Gates, Deval Patrick, Obama, and the Black Mayor of Cambridge picked the wrong White guy. Crowley is humble, manly, intelligent, and has just the right amount and kind of pride. They can’t make him apologize and he is utterly believable whereas Gates and the bros are not.
    Ashoka, there is a price to pay for equality. You can’t be always playing the victim card once you have real power. With a Black President, Governor, Mayor, and Gates as a Harvard Professor, the victim card is just ludicrous. The real question is whether Blacks have the moral gravitas to renounce ethnic politics and govern fairly. The answer so far is no.
    I feel sorry for Sgt Crowley having to go have a beer with those two jive turkeys.

  207. asoka July 28, 2009 at 9:36 pm #

    “With a vehemence not yet seen in his short tenure in Washington, D.C., Franken took issue with rulings on abortion, voting rights, price fixing, age discrimination, and corporate entanglement in elections.
    Noting how court actions have overturned or threatened even recent precedent, Franken said, emphatically, “This is judicial activism. This is a court that’s willing to reverse itself … to achieve its own agenda of what is right. … A vote for Sonia Sotomayor is a vote against judicial activism.”

  208. Qshtik July 28, 2009 at 9:45 pm #

    Jaego, as off-the-wall as your beliefs are I would, up till this post, have credited you with maintaining your dignity while intelligently stating your case. But with this piece you sound like you’re shooting for street cred with the red necks down at the klavern. Gatesy Pooh? Jive turkey? Blow hard? the bros? Come on Jaego, slang isn’t your style. You do better sticking to the high road.
    And BTW, the phrase: “to renounce ethnic politics and govern fairly” coming from YOU is laughable. It’s like Heinrich Himmler complaining of American treatment of the Jews.

  209. Cthulhu July 28, 2009 at 10:19 pm #

    ” To think that America can somehow escape the main effects of global population overshoot by not allowing in immigrants from other countries is a false premise.”
    I’m hoping for partial mitigation. A lower population is preferred.

  210. Qshtik July 28, 2009 at 10:32 pm #

    “Only in the mind of a complete imbecile could the word FREE be used as an adjective for what you describe. What you really mean is that as a non-taxpaying leech, it cost YOU nothing. It was not, however, FREE. This is the mind set of an Obamaholic. Hopelessly deranged, without the simplest notion of cause and effect.”
    ZZZZZZ, although on a personal level you are a total asshole whom I suspect has an undecended testicle (if I may resort to the ad hominem) I frequently agree with your sentiments such as the one above concerning an Asoka comment.

  211. messianicdruid July 28, 2009 at 10:35 pm #

    “People breeding and consuming in their own countries rather than coming here is still growth.”
    So, what is it in their own country that makes them want to leave it? Wouldn’t it be better to solve the problems in your own country and be able to stay home with your family?

  212. messianicdruid July 28, 2009 at 10:46 pm #

    “But crimes committed for all to see, seldom go unpunished forever.”
    Are you insisting that there is hope? I used to think folks just didn’t have the information. That was before I gave it to them. Have you ever witnessed someones eyes glaze over?
    My guess is we are no longer “people of the word” but “people of the image”. Some folks can believe it even if they “see” it. Now what?

  213. asoka July 28, 2009 at 11:02 pm #

    “What you really mean is that as a non-taxpaying leech, it cost YOU nothing.”
    The big bad scary guvmint energy efficiency initiative was FREE in the sense that the costs are being paid through the Economic Recovery Act.
    Having a more energy efficient home means more money in my pocket. And at the same time it has an economic multiplier effect.
    I now spend my money locally and do not send my money to the middle east for heating oil. That make the big bad scary guvmint energy efficiency program a positive cash flow generator. Every month I will have more money in my pocket.
    And Obama already lowered payroll withholding so the big bad scary Federal guvmint is making it possible for me to keep even more of my earnings to spend locally.
    I’m seeing the positive effects of the Obama recovery program in our local community. And it is an 18 month program that is just getting started, so the economic indicators will get better.
    In any event, all the dire predictions of an economic collapse were frustrated by Obama’s Economic Recovery program.

  214. Kiwi Nick July 28, 2009 at 11:12 pm #

    People power works (for once).
    JHK often talks of the public being ignored (until they start breaking windows etc), and he’s right most of the time.
    But …
    Public pressure has prompted a large bank in Australia to remove the hefty up-front flat fee for overdrawing an account. No blood in the streets here.
    Now, if the same logic of public pressure can be used to persuade the Big O to prosecute the financial crooks …

  215. Jaego Scorzne July 28, 2009 at 11:15 pm #

    Wrong. All wrong. The Street has been my University and the University my Street. I know the benefits and limitations of both. Not all intellectuals are academics. Many rednecks (a racist term btw) are brilliant men and many academics utter pedantic fools despite a high IQ. IQ is at best potential-what matters is what you do with it. Many Mensa types just play games. But nonetheless IQ is real and one the determining factors in Human Life. The other factors are those of character and heart. I’m with the Ancients-character first, the intellect if it’s there will take care of itself. And even then the person may just be a good scientist, doctor etc. Real creativity and genius are the X factors. No test can test them-the only test of creativity is to create.
    As for my character: a little mockery of the scoundrels who rule us is appropriate. I don’t feel I’m lowering myself-I never took an academic vow of non passion. And I never claimed sanctity either. Laugher may be the best medicine but it’s also a good weapon. Look at how effectively Hugo Chavez used it against Bush. And what of you-you mock constantly here. Aren’t you aware of it? If not, be so. And don’t throw stones from your glass house.
    Do you actually like Gates or something? If so, you utterly lack discernment into character. He’s easy. What he is is written all over his face. He has the personality of a Black Steet Hustler.

  216. farmerswife July 29, 2009 at 12:37 am #

    “Do you actually like Gates or something? “
    It doesn’t matter one way or the other. What I like are my rights as a citizen, and the BEST way for me to keep MY rights is to make sure everyone else has theirs.
    That means NO lying on police reports to CYA, NO false arrest because some guy wearing a uniform and packing a gun is having a bad day, and NO ignoring the law by a so called “law enforcement officer”.
    There was only one man breaking the law that day, and it wasn’t the guy hauled off in handcuffs.

  217. Johnny Rico July 29, 2009 at 12:46 am #

    @turkle and the rest of you noobs/nerds (I’m just using “turkle” because he is quite outspoken this week and apparently fancies himself some kind of ringleader)-
    Just STFU about OEO.
    What you have said has been said before. OEO has handed more people their asses than anyone here. OEO has been wrong. He has never said he hasn’t been. But he has been right more times percentage-wise than Obama, JHK, or anybody I can think of including myself (and I’m usually regarded as the gold satndard).
    How many times do we have to see: “Uhhh, derr, wow, OEO really makes sense this time, I totally agree with him, it’s amazing he didn’t say fucktard.”?
    Saying FUCKTARD! and MORONIC! is not a crime. You may have a problem with it, because you are on the receiving end. I think it is hilarious.
    Get a clue: don’t be an idiot. Think or read a book before you start blogging with people who know what the fuck they are doing, jackass.
    Asoka and OEO tend to disagree to put it mildly. But Asoka sticks around. He’s tough in that sense. This has to be earned.
    You don’t have this. OEO has this. OEO is still one of the coolest dudes here. Because he knows whats up. He’s been around.
    The people here that know “what’s up” are not a tight group, but they are a small group.
    To those who have been banned – We salute you. I’ve only won the Medal of Honor once. But I was the first. OEO is clearly on a mission to shatter my record. To my knowledge the Hall of Fame only includes 2 others and one probable poser by the name of Soluble Fish.
    Remember Bob Snowjob? Didn’t think so. Bob pussied out at some point. Or died. Chances are – so will you.
    @Dale- dude, please. Nice cheap shot. You were starting to act civil the last few weeks. Does somebody need to bitch-slap you?
    And where the fuck is Doom? It’s Wednesday. Don’t make me email you, asshole. You know how much I hate email.

  218. Johnny Rico July 29, 2009 at 1:14 am #

    I was going to post a book review on a book I bought 4 hours ago and have read 6 pages from, bu then I started reminiscing.
    OK, I’ll post a partial review: it’s excellent so far.
    I was reminiscing about all my experiences on this site.
    I know, I know, this is narcissistic, but I’ve changed.
    This is a true story.
    The last time Matt Savinar posted on this blog was right before I asked him how much money he was making off of peak oil and then told him to go fuck himself. I’m sure that pussy emails JHK regularly – but he don’t post here anymore.
    I can’t speak for others. But it is instructive that Dave Mathews and OEO don’t (and have basically never) gotten into it. It is called respect and “to each his own.”
    I don’t agree with Dave Mathews and my only hangup with him is that he posts his fucking photo link on every comment. But whatever. I’ve got worse shit going on in my life.
    I should rephrase that. There are many things I disagree with Dave Mathews about. But I know DM going back years when he was still unbanned from TOD. And I understand where he is coming from, I just don’t agree.
    I respect the tenacity. He does his thing Monday morning, you hear it or you don’t and he refrains from sucking the life out of people.
    Obama just sent more people to death than any US president in history in one month in Afghanistan. But you fuckers are complaining about OEO’s use of the word “FUCKTARD.” ?
    I don’t get it.
    Priorities, people.
    Remember the Dog Red beach scene in Saving Private Ryan? “Priority”
    Don’t make me post the video.
    He’s Gone.

  219. Jaego Scorzne July 29, 2009 at 1:23 am #

    You just don’t like the Police. How self righteouly cute. And you are probably against people carrying guns to defend themselves too. Which considering proposition number one, makes you insane. Go live some place that doesn’t have police and see how you like it. Or if it’s a race thing, go to South Africa where the police are mostly Black, and see how much they care about what happens to you.
    Look, the Police used to teach kids how to ride bicycles. Now, since the minorities have taken over our cities, they are overwhelmed by the amount of crime. They are stressed out and have a bad attitude, so I stay away from them. I don’t ask them for directions for example. But I still want them there because they are necessary. A necessary evil? Sure, ok but necessary. And we will need them more and more as society get worse and worse. And their attitude will get worse. My fear is what happened in New Orleans: they went door to door trying to take people’s guns away-just when people needed them the most. A very important point: the police can’t protect you. Their job is to keep order; and by catching criminals after a crime they create a deterrent-which is very important. But they can’t stop a crime before it happens-therefore each person is always their own first line of defence. Thus we were given the Second Amendment, the Right to Bear Arms.

  220. Johnny Rico July 29, 2009 at 1:29 am #

    Fuck, I’m good. The line comes at about 2min30sec

  221. asoka July 29, 2009 at 2:25 am #

    JS said: “I’m with the Ancients-character first, the intellect if it’s there will take care of itself.”
    The word “character” comes from Greek “kharakter” meaning “engraved mark”. If you are a man of character, you are predictable, not spontaneous.
    Character means the past, the way you have lived in the past, the way you have become habituated to living — all your habits and conditionings and beliefs and your experiences — that’s what your character is.
    Character first? That just means you are in a comfortable rut with whatever ideology you are imprisoned by (and you may be very comfortable in your prison, but you are not free).
    Better to be characterless. Unconditioned by ideology. Free.
    JS says he feels sorry for Crowley having to have a beer with two jive talkers. Characterizing the President of the United States and a Harvard scholar as jive talkers betrays both an ideology and an inferiority complex that must demean and is unable to admit some Black people may be intellectually and morally superior than oneself.

  222. farmerswife July 29, 2009 at 2:53 am #

    “You just don’t like the Police.”
    Wrong. I just don’t like dishonest, abusive, law breaking Police.
    “And you are probably against people carrying guns to defend themselves too.”
    As a matter of fact, I probably not only have more guns than you, but I bet I’m a better shot.
    The rest of your rant is not only boring, it is completely irrelevant to the fact that Crowley lied, broke state law and abused the power vested in him by the City of Cambridge.

  223. turkle July 29, 2009 at 3:11 am #

    Johnny Rico,
    Your epeen is ginormous. I’m so impressed.
    It isn’t OEO anymore. It is zzzzzzz. And before that it was aszasz just before zsazsa.
    Yeah, he’s a real genius that one. Not many people would continue to come back to a blog after they’ve had their account banned three times. I can see why he’s a real winner in your book, a true wolf, and not one of us fucking moronic sheep.
    Anyways, no one much cares about your pathetic fantasies of being some kind of internet badass. I’m not even going to bother reading your turdly post. I only care enough to tell you to kindly STFU.

  224. Flyover July 29, 2009 at 3:13 am #

    All you Clusterfuckers need to get something clear in your clusterfucking brains. There is only one race of people. Those of you who insist that there are seperate races are the racists. You are the ones who continue to stir the pot about skin color.
    Some of you clusterfuckers like to belittle those who live in trailers. “White trailer trash” you call them. Why don’t y’all come on down to my trailer court and see how long y’all last with that kinda talk.
    It appears that the majority of posters are so clusterfucking ignorant, that they actually believe that a president has “presidential” powers. You people present yourself as being educated, and you talk like clusterfucking morons. Get an education before you open your clusterfucking mouths. You are an embarrassment to humanity.
    Liberals are not liberal and conservatives conserve nothing, what a clusterfucking joke those terms are. Do you realize how clusterfucking pathetic it is to align yourselves with the liberals or conservatives? Jesus clusterfucking christ, get a clusterfucking brain.

  225. John L July 29, 2009 at 3:46 am #

    They are wringing their hands about regulating the oil futures, which given the low demand and high production, oil should be going down, not up.. but the traders that broke the economy last summer are still at it… Goldman, btw is one of the villains pushing oil futures to the big retirement funds etc.
    These guys never stop.. “We have the best government money can buy.. ”

  226. Johnny Rico July 29, 2009 at 4:28 am #

    @turkle –
    To quote DeNiro in Heat…
    Well, you know how that went for William Fichter.
    But good start. You opened with a dick contest challenge against a sockpuppet.
    Pray for rain. Or you could pray that Patrick or Dale or Bob Snowjob will come to your rescue in the morning.
    Too bad you didn’t make friends with Asoka. Big mistake. Like Aspin with the armor in Somalia.
    Shoot yourself now.
    When I get you. I’m gonna slice your skin all the way round your stomach and pull it up over your head like an inside-out sock. But I’ll leave room for you to breath.
    You better run.

  227. Johnny Rico July 29, 2009 at 4:51 am #

    I can never find a good youtube print of this one. But I love this cheeze.
    DeNiro and Pacino. Oh, Fuck me. This is what is wrong with turkle. He spent too much time in his youth trying to score girlfriends and work on his Camaro instead of watching PBS and movies that might improve his vocabulary.
    I’ll bet you turkle has never seen HEAT. Not even once. Cuz he’s a faggot. Nothing wrong with faggots. I have many friends that are gay. But they identify. They are proud of themselves. Or if they are in the closet, they at least don’t act like they are Rocco Siffredi or denigrate homosexuals.
    Deniro and Pacino. Are you fucking kidding me? This is so obviously homo-erotically retarded it’s not funny, or even dramatic.
    But turkle won’t see that.
    Turkle, what’s your deal?
    Since you’ve been here, you haven’t made a single, original, relevant political point.
    You don’t have to rebut that. I’m Johnny Rico. I’m the one that introduced the notion that Obama was faking about the whole change thing. 2.5 years ago.
    Right here. Look it up, bitch. Booya.
    So who’s gonna STFU now?

  228. Johnny Rico July 29, 2009 at 5:59 am #

    @turkle –
    Let’s make a deal. All Hillary and Iran like.
    You don’t mention OEO, I won’t fuck with you.
    If you are a smart guy you will soon realize you don’t need OEO to make a name for yourself.

  229. Johnny Rico July 29, 2009 at 6:34 am #

    @turkle –
    You like roast beef? Maybe with a little provolone and mayonnaise on some French bread?
    I don’t know. What do you like for lunch?
    You watched Private Ryan Lately? Real Close.
    I like OEO cuz he watches my back. And I’ve got his six. We been around a long time. Don’t need no ice-cream eating boys like you. Call you triple-dip. Looong time.

  230. zzzzzz July 29, 2009 at 9:16 am #

    asoka-the-producers sez:
    “Having a more energy efficient home means more money in my pocket. ”
    Oh for fuck’s sake we are now supposed to care about whether or not you have money in your fucking pocket? You do nothing but praise the Obama policies that are ripping the money out of the pockets of producers. Guess its fine if their money lands in your pocket? Go fuck yourself, leech.

  231. zzzzzz July 29, 2009 at 9:23 am #

    ” I’m not even going to bother reading your turdly post.”
    You’re right. This sentence could only roll off the keys of one slightly light in the loafers. (Turdly??? Fucking turdly???? Bwa hahahahahhahahhahahahahhahah!!!! Fucking TURDLY?!?!?!)

  232. zzzzzz July 29, 2009 at 9:54 am #

    Here’s a piece regarding the wonderful jobs that the wonderful stimulus money has created. We’re definitely on the right path, asoka-the-producers.
    PORTLAND, Ore. — How much are politicians straining to convince people that the government is stimulating the economy? In Oregon, where lawmakers are spending $176 million to supplement the federal stimulus, Democrats are taking credit for a remarkable feat: creating 3,236 new jobs in the program’s first three months.
    But those jobs lasted on average only 35 hours, or about one work week. After that, those workers were effectively back unemployed, according to an Associated Press analysis of state spending and hiring data. By the state’s accounting, a job is a job, whether it lasts three hours, three days, three months, or a lifetime.
    story here:

  233. dale July 29, 2009 at 10:45 am #

    “What you have said has been said before. OEO has handed more people their asses than anyone here. OEO has been wrong. He has never said he hasn’t been. But he has been right more times percentage-wise than Obama, JHK, or anybody I can think of including myself (and I’m usually regarded as the gold satndard). — Rico
    Once again, if stringing multiple insults together in one sentence is the measurement of a witty or clever retort, you guys are definitely the standard, although anyone over the age of 30 (except Doom, who is immature for his age) would almost certainly disagree.
    The analogy of the Boom Box Car (boom,boom,boom,rumble,rumble,rumble,boom,boom,boom) once more comes to mind. You and Parrotboy are so tone deaf from listening to childish harranges, if someone wrote the equivalent of a violin concerto here, you wouldn’t understand a word of it.
    Seriously, did you guys EVER take a course in literary criticism or english literature?

  234. dale July 29, 2009 at 10:54 am #

    BTW — Why don’t you, parrotboy, and Doom quit virtually jerking each other off on this website, if you want butt buddies I’m sure there is a website for that as well.

  235. zzzzzz July 29, 2009 at 11:03 am #

    dale | JULY 29, 2009 10:54 AM | REPLY
    BTW — Why don’t you, parrotboy, and Doom quit virtually jerking each other off on this website”
    You’re right dale. You can jerk me off now. Only you, dale baby. Oh and you can play a little violin concerto in the background while doing it if that helps get you in the mood.

  236. zzzzzz July 29, 2009 at 11:04 am #

    Oh and I won’t cum in your mouth dale, honest.

  237. asoka July 29, 2009 at 11:07 am #

    OEO says: “the Obama policies that are ripping the money out of the pockets of producers.”
    Now that’s funny! Which producers? GM? Chrysler? Small businesses that need health reform to increase profits?
    To coin an old OEO phrase: bwwaaaaahahahahahahahah!

  238. zzzzzz July 29, 2009 at 11:15 am #

    “Now that’s funny! Which producers? GM? Chrysler? Small businesses that need health reform to increase profits?:
    No. GM and Chrysler are now controlled by the government. I doubt they will produce much but debt.
    Small businesses? Hell yes. They employ more people than large corporations. And you best pray they continue to make a profit, you simple-fuck. Where do you think the tax money will come from so asoka-the-producers can get his FREE insulation? Sweet Hay-Sus, you are possibly the dumbest fuck that has EVER posted on the internet. (Including Al Gore, ever though he invented the internet.)

  239. dale July 29, 2009 at 11:22 am #

    Boom,boom,boom,rumble-boom (front end of car bolts into the air) Wow! really impressive. Who’s your favorite rapper, Dude? Do you wear your hat sideways or backwards?

  240. zzzzzz July 29, 2009 at 11:24 am #

    Oh and I’m parrot boy? What a maroon. You parrot your fucking self. Why not just make one fucking post and keep hitting the replay button, MORON?

  241. zzzzzz July 29, 2009 at 11:25 am #

    Hey dale, why do you keep licking your lips, bro?

  242. dale July 29, 2009 at 11:42 am #


  243. dale July 29, 2009 at 11:44 am #

    O.K. Parrotboy….you’re all wound-up, I’ll let you fester for awhile. That was fun!

  244. letmekeepmine July 29, 2009 at 12:12 pm #

    The Emperor has no clothes! Remember that story? We’re living it right now. Why is Social Security going broke? Why is California going broke? Why did General Motors go broke? Yada, yada, yada. They all have one thing in common. Give, give, give contractually and then figure out how to pay for it on the fly (later). My grandfather paid a TOTAL of $800 into Social Security – in his lifetime. His benefit when he died – $782 – A MONTH!!! Again, why is Social Security going broke? California is the closest thing we Americans have to Communist Russia. Why are they going broke? That’s a rhetorical question. We KNOW why they are going broke. Someone has to learn how to say “NO. You must learn to fish. We have no fish to give you today”!!

  245. dale July 29, 2009 at 12:23 pm #

    (In the style of Rico “da Man”)
    Fuck, you know what just occurred to me? How fucking smart I am. How do I know that? Because I just fucking said so, you dumb ass fuck. Just sayin’….cuz I read the book. OEO, maybe that dude is even smarter than me, cuz he read the book twice. You think you’re smart? you don’t know fuck, bitch. Because I just fucking said so…got it now, dumb fuck?

  246. zzzzzz July 29, 2009 at 12:25 pm #

    “O.K. Parrotboy….you’re all wound-up, I’ll let you fester for awhile. That was fun!”
    Blowing me was fun? While I was festering no less? Yick.

  247. asoka July 29, 2009 at 12:25 pm #

    “Small businesses? Hell yes. They employ more people than large corporations.”
    The middle class owns the small businesses and they need Obama’s health care reform. Insurance companies add nothing to the health issues and take out about 1/3 of all health care dollars to support obscene profits to insurance company executives. Health is simply not a matter that should be left to the market.
    Sixty-two percent of all bankruptcies filed in 2007 were linked to medical expenses, according to a nationwide study by the American Journal of Medicine. That’s nearly 20 percentage points higher than that pool of respondents reported were connected to medical costs in 2001.
    Of those who filed for bankruptcy in 2007, nearly 80 percent had health insurance. Respondents who reported having insurance indicated average expenses of just under $18,000. Respondents who filed and lacked insurance had average medical bills of nearly $27,000.
    Since 2007, the number of Americans without insurance has increased and filing for bankruptcy has become more difficult due to more stringent laws, according to the report.
    The authors of the study, David Himmelstein, Deborah Thorne, Elizabeth Warren and Steffie Woolhandler, say their findings “reflect the U.S. health care financing system is broken.” Middle class families, they conclude, “frequently collapse under the strain of the health care system that treats physical wounds, but inflicts fiscal ones.”

  248. zzzzzz July 29, 2009 at 12:28 pm #

    “Fuck, you know what just occurred to me? How fucking smart I am”
    Ahhhhh. As long as you are asking? Not fucking very.

  249. zzzzzz July 29, 2009 at 12:34 pm #

    “The middle class owns the small businesses and they need Obama’s health care reform.”
    There may be a need for health care reform but I can assure you that small businesses do not need Obama’s health care reform.

  250. Ed Nauseum July 29, 2009 at 1:00 pm #

    You’re all making JAEGO SCORZNE look like the lone adult in the room. Too much like junior high school. Over and out.

  251. zzzzzz July 29, 2009 at 1:19 pm #

    “I love these members, they get up and say, ‘Read the bill.
    “What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”
    -House Judiciary Chairman, John Conyers (D-Michigan
    Hey Johnnie, here’s a clue. Don’t allow a bill to be introduced on the floor that is 1000 pages long. Also, send it back if it contains language that a 6th grader can not understand.
    Don’t you comprehend what group of FUCKTARDS this makes our current congressional members appear to be? And YOU, chairing the House Judiciary Committee, no less.

  252. Jaego Scorzne July 29, 2009 at 2:21 pm #

    Ashoka: Great response. Now we are getting into deep waters. Your Nietzsche is showing.
    Yes, character is a mask-just as the personality-sum total of subroutines and personas is a mask for the soul. The Ancients knew that and I their student, do also. So, they said that habit was a good friend and a bad master. So, cultivate good habits, develop good personas, and create a good personality. First things first! You don’t tell a troubled youth to stand free as the Soul and stay in the moment-you have to walk before you can run. Such a youth’s staying in the moment would end up as just being more of the same animalistic impulsivity. These kids need to develop self control, planning, and good habits. As to the question of ultimate identity, that’s a quest for mature people; most people never get there and do not even ask the question.
    I do acknowledge meeting Blacks who are truly good people and some may have been my intellectual equal or superior. Both Islam and Christianity have had Black Saints. I deal here with averages and that’s where Blacks fall far short. Yes, they produce good and smart people, just far fewer of them than Whites or Asians.
    I don’t think Gates or Obama are good people. They may be bright-above the White Average even, but they are deluded and they are jive turkeys. Obama hides it much better than Gates, that’s all.

  253. dale July 29, 2009 at 2:31 pm #

    You can’t really argue with self-important, under educated children. What’s left when you can’t take it anymore?……. Parody.

  254. asoka July 29, 2009 at 2:33 pm #

    “There may be a need for health care reform but I can assure you that small businesses do not need Obama’s health care reform.”
    OK, you say you can “assure me”? Are you sure you can assure me?
    Here are the core principles of Obama’s health care reform. Which do you not agree with?
    * Reduce long-term growth of health care costs for businesses and government
    * Protect families from bankruptcy or debt because of health care costs
    * Guarantee choice of doctors and health plans
    * Invest in prevention and wellness
    * Improve patient safety and quality of care
    * Assure affordable, quality health coverage for all Americans
    * Maintain coverage when you change or lose your job
    * End barriers to coverage for people with pre-existing medical conditions

  255. Jaego Scorzne July 29, 2009 at 2:34 pm #

    If all races are the same, why do we have affirmative action? Why can’t Blacks and Hispanics compete fairly with Whites? Why does the goverment discriminate against Whites and discriminate in favor of other peoples? Why do they have forms that say, we don’t discriminate agianst anybody of the basis of race, and then ask you to list your race? Wasn’t it supposed to be about the “contents of your character”?
    In short No. Martin Luther King was all for quotas and every other kind of socialist slavery. He would have worked for all of it had he lived. Instead, his followers did. You probably think that the whole Rosa Parks incident was a spontaneous event and not the carefully planned socialist happening that it was. They had picked two other girls before Ms Parks. The other two didn’t work out. In rehearsal one of them started screming epithets, kicking and biting.

  256. asoka July 29, 2009 at 2:40 pm #

    Give it up, JS…
    Affirmative action was a stopgap program to address inequalities and affirmative action is now dead.
    Should we continue to give “veterans preferences” that give advantages to veterans?

  257. dale July 29, 2009 at 2:42 pm #

    “If all races are the same, why do we have affirmative action? Why can’t Blacks and Hispanics compete fairly with Whites?”
    Only the stupidest or most racist of white people would even think to pose that question. Hopefully, the day will come soon when AA is no longer necessary, and I do think that day is close. But to suggest that there was no reason for it’s creation back in the 60’s, is just stunningly ignorant.

  258. turkle July 29, 2009 at 2:51 pm #

    Rico, I don’t understand a word of what you just said boy, but apparently I got you all worked up. For all I know, you ARE OEO/zsazsa/zzzzzz/parrotboy posting under alternate credentials. Anyone who thinks OEO “hands people their asses” on a regular basis either IS OEO or has a festering pile of goo where their brain should be.
    Yes indeed, “turdly”, as in Rico’s posts are steaming piles of smelly turds. I don’t want to read them. They stink. At least OEO keeps it short and snappy. Rico seems like he’s on some kind of home-made narcotic and just drank 10 cups of espresso.
    Heat? Robert Deniro? Hahahahahahahahaha. Pathetic.

  259. asoka July 29, 2009 at 2:57 pm #

    Since there are so many intelligent people on CFN with so many good ideas, perhaps someone here on CFN would like to contribute to a ‘burb re-design contest:
    “Calling all future-forward architects, urban designers, renegade planners and imaginative engineers: Show us how you would re-invent the suburbs! What would a McMansion become if it weren’t a single-family dwelling? How could a vacant big box store be retrofitted for agriculture? What sort of design solutions can you come up with to facilitate car-free mobility, ‘burb-grown food, and local, renewable energy generation?”

  260. turkle July 29, 2009 at 3:04 pm #

    Hey, Jagoff, you got a militia I can join? Let’s go bomb some random shit and stick it to the black man.

  261. asoka July 29, 2009 at 3:20 pm #

    “Let’s go bomb some random shit and stick it to the black man.”
    White man already did that… bombed some churches and killed some little black girls…. such brave white men… but it kind of back-fired on them… what? …. just a minute, the phone is ringing…
    Gotta go, Dick Cheney is calling. He wants his empire back.

  262. zzzzzz July 29, 2009 at 3:54 pm #

    “Here are the core principles of Obama’s health care reform. Which do you not agree with?”
    I can have “principles” all day long and I do. But my “principles” do not cost you or any other person in the entire USofA one thin dime.
    It has been estimated that Obama’s health care principles will cost us tens of trillions of dollars. Money which we do not have. “Hurry up and sign”, O and the gang rail. “Emergency, emergency.”
    No. First you tell us in great detail how you are going to pay for this. Then, show us the guarantees that we will continue to have a say in who are doctor will be and that we will still have a private insurance option.
    And don’t give us a line of shit about how a government plan will bring competition and keep private insurance “honest”. If you want to be “honest” you know damn well that there are currently restrictions as to which companies can operate in what states which is limiting competitive pricing. Individuals are also barred from pooling to keep costs down and on and on and on.
    Many of the current state and federal government restrictions could be lifted and overnight additional competition leading to lower pricing would take place. Try that. And keep the “fuck-up” federal government out of the fucking mix.
    From sea-to-shining-sea we are seeing examples of where the meddling, wasteful ways of government have just about brought our nation to its knees. And you want to turn peoples health care over to these MORONS? Are you in some kind of hurry to get sick or die prematurely?

  263. zzzzzz July 29, 2009 at 4:01 pm #

    dale replied to COMMENT FROM ED NAUSEUM | JULY 29, 2009 2:31 PM | REPLY
    You can’t really argue with self-important, under educated children.”
    Ummm, actually you can. I do it with you all the time. It isn’t as much fun as toying with adults but it is a little amusing. Sort of like a fart joke. Not as sophisticated as a Shakespearean comedy but funny none the less.

  264. dale July 29, 2009 at 4:22 pm #

    I’m Rico, at least that’s what you can call me if I let you live. Don’t try to fuck with me, or I’ll turn into Shiva or some shit, and atomize your ass. BTW, did I tell you my ass talks? That’s right and with a greater vocabulary than all you dick breath fuckers. Did I say that I saw the movie? Fuck yes! That’s why I’m smart. Read the book too. You never saw the movie did you, huh? Did you? Did I mention you’re gay? Take that fucker, you’re atomized! You’re totally humiliated, don’t deny it. You talking to me? I SAID, you talking to me fucker?? what’s that?? huh??

  265. dale July 29, 2009 at 4:37 pm #

    Whhoooa!!…….check out Parrotboy with the big literary name dropping. “Shakespearean” …..impressive…..did you see the moview?

  266. cowswithguns July 29, 2009 at 4:43 pm #

    So I thought I’d post this link for the bunker-dwelling racist Jaego — aka Conjones Gazer — who criticized the mainstream media for being afraid to report on matters that deal with race and culture.
    This CNN story details the rape of an 8-year-old girl by East African immigrants (previously mentioned by Jaego). No doubt he will use it — as he already has — to illustrate the supposed innate aggression of blacks.
    But be that as it may, the story also illustrates that the liberal/communist media theory his ilk spouts is bogus. If there’s any problem with the media it’s that it is too aligned with the right-wing Wall Street types.
    At a time when guys like JHK, Nader, Kucinich, Paul, and Chomsky should be quoted throughout the mainstream press, we’re seeing the financial pimps who got us into this mess dominating — as usual — our public discourse.

  267. farmerswife July 29, 2009 at 4:51 pm #

    “I do acknowledge meeting Blacks who are truly good people and some may have been my intellectual equal or superior.”
    Would you like a side order of condescension to go with that heaping plate of racist bullshit?

  268. Johnny Rico July 29, 2009 at 4:58 pm #

    “slightly light in the loafers.”
    Haha. Loafers? C’mon. More like Birkenstocks. I admit, with this recession and the markdowns, you can get a sweet pair of loafers for 59.95, but this dude ain’t buying.
    I’m stocking up on heavy-duty Timberlands.
    Boots. Whether the apocalyse comes or not – the shit our boys are wearing in Iraq-AfPak are the shit. Prices probably won’t get much lower.
    Made in China probably. Designed here.

  269. dale July 29, 2009 at 4:58 pm #

    “Would you like a side order of condescension to go with that heaping plate of racist bullshit?”
    Now Farmerswife!, he’s just showing how “objective” and “scientific” he is. He’s not a racist pig, he just likes to read a certain set of statistics and extrapolate from there, freely of course.

  270. asoka July 29, 2009 at 5:00 pm #

    “And keep the “fuck-up” federal government out of the fucking mix.”
    You want to take health care away from veterans?
    Best quality health care system out there is the veterans’ administration run by the federal government.

  271. turkle July 29, 2009 at 5:06 pm #

    Hahahaha, dale, you’re cracking me up today. Are you actually Johnny Rico?!

  272. SNAFU July 29, 2009 at 5:08 pm #

    “Many of the current state and federal government restrictions could be lifted and overnight additional competition leading to lower pricing would take place. Try that. And keep the “fuck-up” federal government out of the fucking mix.”
    Obviously you have never dealt with any gommerment and “free enterprise” corporate interest contracts, else you would realize that the gommerment restrictions that you apparently find abhorrent are not put in place willy nilly by gommerment entities but are forced upon gommerment by corporate interests to preclude “additional competition leading to lower pricing” Why do you think Lobbyists are so handsomely compensated by corporate ilk? One is about as likely to find free enterprise in the good ole US of A as one is to find hens teeth.
    Other than handsomely compensating health care executives what useful function does the for profit health care industry add to health care? If they add something so valuable that they are convinced they can provide it much much better than the gommerment why do they have so many lobbyists trying to convince the public (they already own the repulsificans and a goodly number of dems in congress) that a single payer health care system would be bad health care? A single answer, single payer health care takes the profit out of for profit health care. Q.E.D.

  273. Johnny Rico July 29, 2009 at 5:42 pm #

    @turkle –
    “I don’t understand a word of what you just said”
    Who else has this same problem?
    Dude, you are going down. You either change or die.
    You mess with me or OEO and you will go the way of Bob Snowjob. I’m not predicting. I’m telling you the way it is.
    You don’t get it.
    I disagree with OEO on numerous points. But as far as I know, he is an American and has every right to free speech and his opinions. Read the Hitchens piece I posted a few day ago in this very thread.
    OEO is easily the best “member” of this site and has been for years. YEARS, motherfucker.
    Anybody reading this site for that time has said something positive about him.
    YOU. You are a noob. So go fuck the fuck off.

  274. turkle July 29, 2009 at 5:46 pm #

    “Anybody reading this site for that time has said something positive about him.”
    Are you smoking the crack again, Johnny Retard?

  275. turkle July 29, 2009 at 5:50 pm #

    “OEO is easily the best “member” of this site and has been for years. YEARS, motherfucker.”
    So that’s why he’s on his fourth account, because he’s the bestest?

  276. Johnny Rico July 29, 2009 at 5:57 pm #

    Jeez that’s great. You try to bolster your point by using expletives. Good plan. Excellent strategy.
    You killed yurseff.
    Facts, dude. Facts. I’ll give you til next week before I deliver the coup de grace.
    Maybe two weeks. The one thing you are good at is keeping us from watching you bleed.
    I’m gonna fuck you up.

  277. Johnny Rico July 29, 2009 at 6:09 pm #

    “So that’s why he’s on his fourth account, because he’s the bestest?”
    I have no idea.
    I was the first one banned from this site, so I am probably the best person to ask.
    The best writers on this site don’t write here anymore. Most of them are editors on my blog now. I try to convince them that they should start writing here again, but they don’t give a shit.
    I don’t try to get into their heads.
    None of them were banned from here. Banning means nothing. I am the King of Bans. Dave Mathews was banned from TOD. I’ve been banned from TOD over 7 times. TOD won’t even allow me to WATCH their stupid site from from og my IP addresses. Banning is free speech, it is also fascism.
    You have no idea whether OEO has been banned the amount of times you say. He obviously isn’t banned. He just posted.
    Are you fucking retarded?
    Bob Snowjob isn’t banned. He just doesn’t write here anymore. Cuz he realised everybody saw he was a douche.
    Like I say. Change or die.
    Without OEO, this blog is just JHK.

  278. Johnny Rico July 29, 2009 at 6:31 pm #

    The only news for today is that Schumacher is joining Kimi at Ferrari for Valencia. Long live Filipe Massa. Fcuk NASCAR. Fuck Joe Biden.

  279. Jaego Scorzne July 29, 2009 at 6:37 pm #

    I hadn’t heard about it but thanks for the thought. Just check the FBI website, they keep track of whose doing what. Blacks rape far, far more than other races. No to believe this is to be deluded. I mean really now, something can’t be racist if it’s true. If you don’t believe that, than you believe in Red Queen (Alice in Wonderland) School of Philosphy.
    Judging from your experience isn’t verboten; it’s a place to start. You then check your experiences with other peoples and with more ojective sources like the FBI’s. Anyone who hasn’t noticed a differnece between Blacks and East Asians isn’t paying attention or more likely, they’re blocking it our and in denial.
    Most Liberals fall into this category-they “love” Blacks but avoid them avidly. And then pronounce PC Hellfire and Damnation on Whites who live in the cities and have to put up with real Blacks everyday. Think of the mindless hatred of busing and the utter hypocrisy of the Liberal Establishment-who supported while getting their kids of harms way. Jimmy Carter actually put Amy in a nearby Washington School. That lasted about a day. Imagine all the Black guys hitting on her and the Black Girls cursing her everytime she tossed her blonde hair. Black Women are driven mad with envy by White hair. Hair Products are the biggest Black industry and consumer item. Chris Rock made a documentary about it. If Amy Carter hadn’t gotten out, they would have been yanking on those tresses in no time.

  280. Jaego Scorzne July 29, 2009 at 6:44 pm #

    It’s true thank God-White Men are finally fighting back. We have slowed the Beast down but it is hard from dead. As Justice Ginsburg hissed, “this ruling wont stand.” Blacks will never give up AA of their own accord. They just don’t have the moral greatness. The proof? The few Blacks who really understand and love America are profoundly hated by their people. I speak of men like Clarence Thomas. That’s the capital sin in Black America-you don’t fuck with the gravy train.

  281. k gleason July 29, 2009 at 11:05 pm #

    so wheres your BLOG ?????????????????????

  282. Qshtik July 29, 2009 at 11:09 pm #

    “And what of you-you mock constantly here. Aren’t you aware of it?”
    Of course I’m aware of it … it’s my stock in trade. Mocking sarcasm is my thing. I came perilously close to being canned for using it in business email … didn’t even realize what I was doing … thought I was just making a point very effectively. I can’t help myself … in fact I don’t WANT to help myself. I LIVE for this annonymous forum where I can say what’s REALLY on my mind without getting my front teeth knocked out. In the absence of actually modifying someone’s behavior by what I write I can at least take pleasure in giving them a glimpse of what assholes they are. I have some heros I try to emulate … like Maureen Dowd. It’s not her politics but rather her style and skill at ripping somebody a new asshole. And more recently I’ve stumbled on Kunstler who so beautifully expresses his comtempt for various aspects of American culture. I really work at it and I think I’m improving but I’ve got a long way to go.
    You, on the other hand, were maintaining an intellectual facade up till your “Catesy Pooh” post which simply ISN’T you. Stick with your intellectual persona and you’ll do better.

  283. k gleason July 29, 2009 at 11:44 pm #

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  284. Qshtik July 29, 2009 at 11:53 pm #

    “Do you actually like Gates or something?”
    Actually I think he is probably a puffed-up full-of-himself pompous ass. I am skeptical about anyone who insists on going by three names: Henry Lewis Gates Jr. I imagine a scene where I’m introduced to him and I say “do you mind if I call you Hank?”
    All that aside, however, this case has more sides than a Rubic’s Cube. Being that I’m white it’s easy and natural to support the white cop but I’m trying to remain neutral till all the facts are in. I read the Stanley Fish Blog (NY Times) and a slew of the comments and it is a very nuanced situation.
    BTW I think Obama is taking a big political risk with this chat and a beer he’s planning. So much can go wrong and so little can go right. He should find some way to let this story die a natural death. When Chaney shot his hunting partner in the face there was a tempest in a teapot for a couple of weeks and then it simply went away. At the time I wrote that Chaney should announce that he was arranging another hunting party and was asking Maureen Dowd to accompany him.

  285. k gleason July 29, 2009 at 11:55 pm #

    I am the one who first mentioned here..i believe
    I think the biggest news of last week was buried away in the WSjournal :
    ‘USA drops a small bomb on Iran’
    Not that horrific incident in Arizona or gates in Cambridge
    I mentioned it because I see Islamists as getting along with those of other religions today worsethan oil n water
    I consider it to be a stone age religion…if that makes me a racist/xenophobe well
    2. You mentioned ‘race and culture’….what does the media say about religion and immigration?
    Does the name CHANDRA LEVY ring a bell?
    3. Kucinich, Paul,…..even when they were getting 3rd? in state primaries they were frozen out of debates…as I recall….is that too a vast right wing conspiracy?

  286. k gleason July 30, 2009 at 12:07 am #

    than just call him JUNIOR..one of his 4 names

  287. Qshtik July 30, 2009 at 12:20 am #

    “and I’m usually regarded as the gold satndard”
    “satndard” hahahaha … you’re the gold standard of typos and the tin standard of proof reading.
    Beyond that I suspect your disturbed by having a three inch dick when hard.

  288. Qshtik July 30, 2009 at 12:23 am #

    You mean “then” not “than” right?

  289. Qshtik July 30, 2009 at 12:38 am #

    “Fcuk NASCAR”
    “Fcuk” What the hell’s wrong with you … you dyslexic?

  290. Qshtik July 30, 2009 at 12:47 am #

    “Black Women are driven mad with envy by White hair”
    I better watch myself, I’m 68 and have white hair.

  291. Kiwi Nick July 30, 2009 at 12:51 am #

    Hear hear.
    Gates did nothing wrong, and it should have become obvious to the cops who responded.
    The Big O is entirely correct to weigh in on the issue. If you’re in charge, and things are not running the way they should be, shouldn’t you do something about it?
    An example of a similar issue: people who are detained or fined when ticket machines malfunction (for parking, trains, buses). There’s been plenty of problems with machines in Melbourne (including losing money).
    It took a leaflet campaign by the PTUA in Melbourne (highlighting the rights of passengers) to restore some order.
    While I do not give too much credence to the rights of offenders, it is important that cops (and other law enforcement) properly exercise their power and focus on real crime/offences. They need to back off when it is clear the suspect is within the law.

  292. Qshtik July 30, 2009 at 1:00 am #

    “than you believe in Red Queen”
    than? than? what’s going on here all of a sudden? Doesn’t anybody know the difference between then and than? I had you pegged as something of an intellectual Scorzne but now you’re coming across like the lead character in the old movie “Charlie.” He starts off as an idiot, is given some trial drug as a cure … it works like a charm and he becomes a genius but then it wears off and he regresses to idiocy. How ’bout you (and Rico) check what you write before hitting Submit.

  293. Jaego Scorzne July 30, 2009 at 1:01 am #

    Who are you to tell me who I am? As Whitman said of himslef, I contain multitudes. I’m one of the most complex people I’ve ever met.
    You see, they’ve got you second guessing yourself. Your first instinct was correct-Gates is a pompous little ass or as I put it, a jive turkey. But they got their pound of flessh-they couldn’t break Crowley so they grabbed some poor Boston Cop who wrote an email calling Gates a screaming jungle monkey or something close to that. He’s apologizing all over the place and they have begun to destroy his reputation. He’s already lost his job, basically. But get this, because he’s in the National Guard (that’s who he was writing to) he may be courtmartialled and go to jail. It’s very hard for me to believe that a Black bad mouthing a White Professor would have any such consequences be he a cop, president, or soldier. Don’t you see-the Left has focussed on race to break our society. Once question: once the White Man is totally broken, who will police the steets, teach in the schools, pilot the aircraft, etc. We are the Center. And as the great Fascist Poet of Ireland said, “Things fall apart; the center cannot hold”. We are the center and when we go, so goes the nation.
    Trust your feelings, Luke.

  294. Qshtik July 30, 2009 at 1:39 am #

    “Who are you to tell me who I am? As Whitman said of himslef, I contain multitudes. I’m one of the most complex people I’ve ever met.”
    I’m Qshtik … and who the hell are you to compare yourself to Whitman? What you are is a guy who decided the intellectual shtik wasn’t working so I’ll lower myself to the level of some of these other assholes at this blog and you, like them started dumbing down your rap. For example misspelling “himslef” hahaha … admit it you do this kind of shit on purpose to snuggle up with the likes of Rico.

  295. Qshtik July 30, 2009 at 2:06 am #

    “Best quality health care system out there is the veterans’ administration run by the federal government”
    I’m a veteran and I’ve been to the VA and I would quibble with your statement. You, personnaly, ever been to the VA?

  296. Dr. Doom July 30, 2009 at 2:34 am #

    “Lucia Whalen placed the call to police July 16, saying she saw two men on Gates’ front porch who appeared to be eating watermelon and picking banjos.”
    Rico, you’re kidding, correct? If they were indeed “eating watermelon and picking banjos”, would that be some sort of victory dance after successfully breaking and entering? And how would an ethnic portugese Boston woman know of such admittedly black southern-style ethic behavior on the part of the alledged perps? No, no, I smell some sort of CIA-sponsored conspiracy to involve the President in an embareassing public gaff. It’s the neocon core of the vast right-wing conspirarcy at work! Cheney lives.
    Why wasn’t the song they were picking identified? Could she humm a few bars?

  297. cowswithguns July 30, 2009 at 2:52 am #

    Gleason – apparently, I mixed you up with Scorzne. My comment regarding racism was directed at the wrong person — I don’t know your ideologies.
    My point was that I see the media covering stories about people of color (as well as whites) who are perpetrators of crime all the time, at both the local and national levels.
    I don’t see any obvious censorship of stories because of the race of the suspect. (Case in point: CNN’s big story about the gang rape of the 8-year-old in Arizona.) And remember OJ? Michael Vick?
    Despite our epidermis variations, we all bleed red. And remember the media mantra — “If it bleeds it leads.”
    Too bad credit default swaps, collateralized debt obligations and mortgaged back securities don’t lead.
    Murder is the universal language, I guess.

  298. asoka July 30, 2009 at 3:39 am #

    Qshtik said: “I’m a veteran and I’ve been to the VA and I would quibble with your statement.”
    Yes, I’ll quibble a bit…
    “Who do you think receives higher-quality health care. Medicare patients who are free to pick their own doctors and specialists? Or aging veterans stuck in those presumably filthy VA hospitals with their antiquated equipment, uncaring administrators, and incompetent staff? An answer came in 2003, when the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine published a study that compared veterans health facilities on 11 measures of quality with fee-for-service Medicare. On all 11 measures, the quality of care in veterans facilities proved to be “significantly better.”
    Here’s another curious fact. The Annals of Internal Medicine recently published a study that compared veterans health facilities with commercial managed-care systems in their treatment of diabetes patients. In seven out of seven measures of quality, the VA provided better care.
    It gets stranger. Pushed by large employers who are eager to know what they are buying when they purchase health care for their employees, an outfit called the National Committee for Quality Assurance today ranks health-care plans on 17 different performance measures. These include how well the plans manage high blood pressure or how precisely they adhere to standard protocols of evidence-based medicine such as prescribing beta blockers for patients recovering from a heart attack. Winning NCQA’s seal of approval is the gold standard in the health-care industry. And who do you suppose this year’s winner is: Johns Hopkins? Mayo Clinic? Massachusetts General? Nope. In every single category, the VHA system outperforms the highest rated non-VHA hospitals.
    Not convinced? Consider what vets themselves think. Sure, it’s not hard to find vets who complain about difficulties in establishing eligibility. Many are outraged that the Bush administration has decided to deny previously promised health-care benefits to veterans who don’t have service-related illnesses or who can’t meet a strict means test. Yet these grievances are about access to the system, not about the quality of care received by those who get in. Veterans groups tenaciously defend the VHA and applaud its turnaround. “The quality of care is outstanding,” says Peter Gayton, deputy director for veterans affairs and rehabilitation at the American Legion. In the latest independent survey, 81 percent of VHA hospital patients express satisfaction with the care they receive, compared to 77 percent of Medicare and Medicaid patients.
    Outside experts agree that the VHA has become an industry leader in its safety and quality measures. Dr. Donald M. Berwick, president of the Institute for Health Care Improvement and one of the nation’s top health-care quality experts, praises the VHA’s information technology as “spectacular.” The venerable Institute of Medicine notes that the VHA’s “integrated health information system, including its framework for using performance measures to improve quality, is considered one of the best in the nation.”
    If this gives you cognitive dissonance, it should. The story of how and why the VHA became the benchmark for quality medicine in the United States suggests that much of what we think we know about health care and medical economics is just wrong.”
    –Washington Monthly, Jan/Feb 2005

  299. dale July 30, 2009 at 10:13 am #

    The only thing exceptional about either of you two little twerps is your high personal regard. In terms of less subjective criteria such as intelligence, knowledge and life experience neither of you manage to quite make the “average” level for posters here. Poor little Parrot Boy, he gets himself so overwrought, you can almost see him sweating. I had to quit posting to him out of simple compassion. As for you, I need to stop bothering with children as well.
    Or, as you do doubt would say, and consider yourself a genius for saying, “STFU”.

  300. zzzzzz July 30, 2009 at 10:43 am #

    “Best quality health care system out there is the veterans’ administration run by the federal government.”
    Perhaps the best federally run healthcare is for veterans but not the best health care. And anyway there won’t be any need for veterans in the future in asoka-the-producers world. Don’t you remember you fucking MORON? You are for eliminating all borders. STFU, Fucktard.

  301. zzzzzz July 30, 2009 at 10:46 am #

    “Shakespearean” …..impressive…..did you see the moview?”
    Ahhh, shucks. You caught me. Actually I saw the name on the cover of your favorite coloring book.

  302. dale July 30, 2009 at 10:48 am #

    I can do Rico better than Rico can do Rico.

  303. zzzzzz July 30, 2009 at 10:56 am #

    Wishnick sez:
    “I have some heros I try to emulate … like Maureen Dowd.”
    Holy shit, I had no idea you had been castrated. Did it take the sack a while to heal?

  304. zzzzzz July 30, 2009 at 10:57 am #

    I can do Rico better than Rico can do Rico.”
    The only thing yo udo better than anyone else is FUCKTARD. You da man when it comes to FUCKTARD.

  305. Qshtik July 30, 2009 at 10:59 am #

    “Yes, I’ll quibble a bit…”
    Asoka, I read the words above, looked at the length of your post and read no further. I know nothing of all your “facts” and figures. Here’s what I do know. I began to notice hearing impairment in my early 40s. I went to the VA in north Jersey and got in a line of other people with hearing problems. Ahead of me was a former Army tank commander. He told me his original attempt to associate his years in (the metal tin can of) a tank with hearing loss was rejected and he was now back on appeal. I thought about my own condition and how weak my story would sound compared to his. I had worked in a building not far from the end of a runway where screeming F106 fighters took off and landed. I saw an audiologist (a women, not that that’s relevant) and she tested me and confirmed I had hearing loss (both ears but worse on the right). She reviewed the extensive paperwork I had prepared as rationale for why I thought my stint in the Air Force had something to do with my hearing problem. She questioned me extensively and spent what I thought was a surprisingly long time with me (I expected the equivalent of “take this asprin and call me in the morning”). But no, she was for some reason intensley interested. At the end of our session she flattered me by saying I was the first patient she had ever had who was able to describe in words to a person such as herself (with normal hearing) how things sound to the hearing impaired. This gave me some hope. I went home and waited. Weeks later (6 I think), I received mail rejecting my claim and saying that my hearing loss was not connected to my AF service. Today I wear two hearing aids at $2000 a pop out of MY pocket (that pretty much don’t do shit) and when I hold a converstion I get up close and glue my eyes on the speaker’s lips. Lip reading helps.
    I have no doubt if you show up at the VA with some fingers blown off they’ll do a fine job of stanching the blood flow … once they’ve determined you weren’t playing with cherry bombs on the forth of July.
    Anyway, that’s why I quibble.

  306. zzzzzz July 30, 2009 at 11:30 am #

    Sizemore is the shits.
    Saw where you posted Private Ryan a few pages back. I just wanted to point out that Tom Sizemore’s acting in this movie may be one of the most amazing exercises in the history of Hollywierd.
    I had occasion, several years back, to spend way too much time examining this movie on a frame-by-frame basis. Sizemore’s “acting” is one of the greatest examples of non-acting ever put to film. I dare anyone here to find a single frame where Sizemore appears that is not arresting due to his very presence.
    His subsequent difficulties with addiction represent one of the truly great losses for filmdom in recent memory. I pray he can remain on the straight and narrow and return true to form.

  307. Qshtik July 30, 2009 at 11:43 am #

    “I do acknowledge meeting Blacks who are truly good people”
    Translation: I once found myself in a position where it was impossible to avoid an introduction to a black man. I fought the inclination to visibly squirm, diverted my eyes over the top of his head to avoid eye contact and gave an un-firm and disengenuous hand shake which was intuitively and correctly registered by the black man as yet another racial ding in a 400 year litany of racial dings. At the first possible moment I went home and took a hot shower addressing, in particular, my right hand.

  308. asoka July 30, 2009 at 11:51 am #

    Sorry to hear of your problems getting into the VA system. You did not have a heatlh care problem, you had a system access problem.
    The majority of those who gain access to the VA system are satisfied with the care they receive.
    All I am saying is that everyone should have quality health care like our Congress people have.

  309. zzzzzz July 30, 2009 at 11:57 am #

    “You did not have a heatlh care problem, you had a system access problem.”
    No, moron. He had a health problem. the VA “accessed” him in that they did see him. Naturally, the obligatory “wait” was a part of the process. The result was “you’re kind of hard of hearing. But…you’re on your own.”
    “All I am saying is that everyone should have quality health care like our Congress people have.”
    Really? I thought you were pointing out the greatness of the VA system. Now you want to talk about what a great plan Congress “people” have. How odd. You never changed the subject before when being shown the error of your ways.

  310. Qshtik July 30, 2009 at 12:05 pm #

    “Sorry to hear of your problems getting into the VA system. You did not have a heatlh care problem, you had a system access problem.”
    Talk about rationalization !!! hahaha That’s a good one. A rejected claim = you had a system access problem.

  311. k gleason July 30, 2009 at 12:25 pm #

    ‘Best quality health care system out there is the veterans’ ?????
    From what I read patients LEFT TO DIE, bedsores etcetcetc
    and didnt bush decimate funding for as he talked about our ‘heroic, patriotic’ veterans?
    I dont have his budget or budget cut numbers in front of me but thats what i recall!

  312. zzzzzz July 30, 2009 at 12:30 pm #

    By the way fucktard, the Congressional plan is paid for by you and me. (Strike that. You don’t pay taxes. It is paid for by me and other tax payers.) Services, however, are provided by the private sector.
    Congress “people” aren’t stupid. They know the best care is delivered in the private sector. This is why their proposed legislation is the height of hypocrisy. Government controlled health care is fine for the little people but not for Congress.

  313. asoka July 30, 2009 at 12:58 pm #

    k gleason said: “From what I read patients LEFT TO DIE, bedsores etcetcetc”
    What you recall is Walter Reed Hospital, which is run by the Dept. of Defense and is NOT part of the Veterans Administration health care system.
    We should all have a voluntary public option for health care like the veterans have, like the seniors have, like the children have, like the Congress people have… especially since a public option will cost less than the private broken system we have now.
    No federal gov. health care executive gets millions in bonus pay.

  314. Qshtik July 30, 2009 at 1:32 pm #

    You know what I wanna know? How is it that all you regulars are posting comments in the middle of the day? Doesn’t anybody WORK? At least I’VE got an excuse … I’m 68 and retired. I’ll tell you what I think. Under cover of the recession your employers took the opportunity to unload the obvious kooks and/or dead wood.

  315. dale July 30, 2009 at 2:10 pm #

    “I dare anyone here to find a single frame where Sizemore appears that is not arresting due to his very presence.” – OEO
    I dare you to find anyone who cares.

  316. M. Kindl July 30, 2009 at 2:20 pm #

    The theme of America is the fight to overthrow aristocracy: the royal aristocracy, the plantation aristocracy, the industrial aristocracy, and now, the financial aristocracy. Take heart, Kunstler, when Americans get back in touch with the theme, they will prevail. Remember that song, Alice’s Restaurant?—we’re just waiting for it (the theme) to come around on the guitar. Thanks!

  317. turkle July 30, 2009 at 2:24 pm #

    People have computers at work. They are bored. They post to the CFN for fun and profit.
    Why are you spending your retirement posting to this crappy website? Put on some funky pants and go golfing or something, man.

  318. turkle July 30, 2009 at 2:32 pm #

    I care.
    If OEO wants to talk about how Tom Sizemore makes his knees go all wobbly, that’s his freedom of speech.

  319. dale July 30, 2009 at 2:48 pm #

    “I care.
    If OEO wants to talk about how Tom Sizemore makes his knees go all wobbly, that’s his freedom of speech.”
    You got a point there.

  320. Jaego Scorzne July 30, 2009 at 2:57 pm #

    That’s a base and baseless acusation, much like the one Gates made against Sgt Crowley. I’m a man of strong beliefs. I write quickly and make mistakes. For that, I apologize. I should be more careful. Now you apologize for slandering me.
    You contain multitudes too. Or perhaps it’s legions since you are many. But in any case, focus on substance in your responses to me. Look, let’s get together and work this out. Where do you live? We could get together, have a beer, and talk about word processing. You could have a bud light, if your doctor allows you to “drink”.

  321. Jaego Scorzne July 30, 2009 at 3:10 pm #

    You are really starting to sound like just another ‘tard. I said what I said and I mean what I said. I lived near Blacks for long periods of time, went to school with them, and worked with them. Had Black bosses too. I’ve grown int being a White Nationalist-I didn’t drop out of the sky fulled formed. It was a long slow awakening from the lies of Liberalism back to wise disrimination taught by the Founding Fathers and my Father as well.

  322. asoka July 30, 2009 at 3:48 pm #

    Qshtik very reasonably asks: “How is it that all you regulars are posting comments in the middle of the day?”
    I don’t know about others, but I only post on my break and lunch time. I would never think of cheating my employer.

  323. asia July 30, 2009 at 3:50 pm #

    i dont know whereabouts of JKs webguy but there are different time zones
    this is the world wide web
    and Jk seems to be payin for flamefests

  324. dale July 30, 2009 at 3:59 pm #

    “I didn’t drop out of the sky fulled formed. It was a long slow awakening” – Jaego
    Nonsense, guys like you are taught from birth by racist parents, it’s passed down in the same manner as a religious doctrine. You may have left the fold for awhile, only to return, the hatred being too great for most to actually overcome. We can only hope you have no children of your own.

  325. turkle July 30, 2009 at 4:10 pm #

    The end result of your mode of thinking is Hitlerian Germany and the Holocaust. Your White Nationalist label is a direct lineage from the Nazis. Why would you want to associate yourself with something so vile?

  326. zzzzzz July 30, 2009 at 4:12 pm #

    dale replied to COMMENT FROM ZZZZZZ | JULY 30, 2009 2:10 PM | REPLY
    “I dare anyone here to find a single frame where Sizemore appears that is not arresting due to his very presence.” – OEO
    I dare you to find anyone who cares.”
    You do dale. You cared enough to respond. This is you Sally Field moment, dale. You care. You really, really care. (Yawn, scratch, puke.)

  327. dale July 30, 2009 at 4:17 pm #

    Seriously Jaego,
    If you would post a little about your background, place of origin, how you arrived where you are now, Ethnicity, Parents background, Fathers’s occupation etc., I suspect the real origins of your views will be easy for an objective observer to find. Perhaps a little therapy is still possible for you, once the origin of those views is better understood. After all, the kind of thinking you’re walking around with every day is just another mental affliction, a form of suffering, and many people suffering from mental affictions have elaborate justifications for why they are not the ones who are delusional. If you are as objective as you pretend to be, you would have to admit that is true. Since you obviously understand yourself to be the “outsider” in your views, you would also have to entertain the possibility of delusion.

  328. zzzzzz July 30, 2009 at 4:18 pm #

    ” turkle | JULY 30, 2009 2:32 PM | REPLY
    I care.
    If OEO wants to talk about how Tom Sizemore makes his knees go all wobbly…”
    Yikes. I didn’t say my knees “go all wobbly”. Thats your term. I was talking about his acting skills.
    I guess we have a Sizemore fan on a completely different level. (Not that there is anything wrong with that but you’ll have to check with Tom first. I’m not certain but I don’t think he is gay.)

  329. dale July 30, 2009 at 4:24 pm #

    (Yawn, scratch, puke.)
    You sound like you could be the reincarnation of my wife’s last cat.

  330. Qshtik July 30, 2009 at 4:53 pm #

    “People have computers at work. They are bored. They post to the CFN for fun and profit.”
    Turk, I’m a little old but not from the dark ages … we had ‘puters too and they tracked every key stroke. “Good” employees were allowed to slide with stuff like on-line bill pay … but the shit written on this site would definitely be “grounds.” If you tried to send an email with a curse word in it it wouldn’t go through. We had to sign statements of Ethical Conduct. Nut cases like Rico, ZZZ and JS would have been quietly removed by Security leaving people scratching their heads a week later asking “Hey, what ever happened to what’s-his-name? Is he on vacation? The key stroke record would have been more than enough evidence. Has something changed in the business world in the past 3.5 years that I’m not aware of?

  331. zzzzzz July 30, 2009 at 5:36 pm #

    Ken asks:
    “Other than handsomely compensating health care executives what useful function does the for profit health care industry add to health care?”
    Glad you asked Kenny. Health insurance companies provide services for members as needs arise. To do this they have actuarials who study disease/sickness and how these phenomenon are distributed across various sectors of the population. Trends within groups determine monthly payments. Generally speaking, younger members tend to pay lower monthly amounts as their need for service is usually lower. (Car insurance, is a different matter, as young, inexperienced drives have more accidents.)
    To make certain that funds are available when member needs arise, it is important that private insurers are taking in more money than they are spending. This is the reason that accurate, actuarial statistics are kept. It is also important that insurance companies have insights as to how much a given procedure performed by the private sector should cost. When billings for services provided are submitted the charges for $25.00 aspirin are scrutinized and refused. Ditto broken arms, stitches, etc.
    So, the answer to your question, “what useful function does the for profit health care industry add to health care” is that companies insure funds will be available when procedures are needed and they scrutinize expenditures. Furthemore since the companies are publicly held and issue stock, the hope that stockholders will see a return on their investment means that management will have to operate in an efficient manner to remain profitable and distribute dividends. (Do hot shot execs. get paid too much? Possibly but that is a question for stockholders to address. The market dictates what Hot Shot talent costs. An effective, Hot Shot (one that brings profitability to the business) is worth a lot. He doesn’t cost taxpayers one thin dime. In fact if he is successful his company will pay a ton of taxes.)
    What efficiencies does a government run system bring to the table? What incentive does a bureaucrat have to try and enact efficiencies? ( Compare the efficiencies of Fed-Ex or UPS to that of the U.S. postal system.) What of Medicaid that is close to being penniless? It has been around for a while and run by a government bureaucracy. Why is there not enough money in the till for it to continue? Why do more than a few doctors refuse to take medicaid patients if it is such a paragon of how good a governmentally run health care plan can be?

  332. Qshtik July 30, 2009 at 5:41 pm #

    “Why are you spending your retirement posting to this crappy website?”
    Funny you should ask … I’ve been asking myself that very question. How many potshots can I take? How many fools can I expose? I may check out fresh meat at some other site.

  333. zzzzzz July 30, 2009 at 5:43 pm #

    ” dale replied to COMMENT FROM ZZZZZZ | JULY 30, 2009 4:24 PM | REPLY
    (Yawn, scratch, puke.)
    You sound like you could be the reincarnation of my wife’s last cat.”
    I am. And I got news for you buddy, I wasn’t the only pussy in your house that was out running around.

  334. Qshtik July 30, 2009 at 5:51 pm #

    “Now you apologize for slandering me.”
    You call that SLANDER? I call that pushing your buttons.
    “in any case, focus on substance”
    I don’t do substance. I do ad hominem.
    “We could get together”
    Yeah, I’ll be in a red boutineer … you be in Jack Boots.

  335. zzzzzz July 30, 2009 at 5:52 pm #

    “I’ve been asking myself that very question. How many potshots can I take? How many fools can I expose? ”
    Zero on both counts, Wishnik. Good luck on checking out some “fresh meat” (I won’t go there.) on another site. See you later

  336. asoka July 30, 2009 at 5:58 pm #

    Qshtik innocently asks: “Has something changed in the business world in the past 3.5 years that I’m not aware of?”
    The short answer: YES! If you made an online payment you probably did it using company machines through a company network capable of recording keystrokes.
    You probably did not have a personal MiFi network in your pocket. You probably did not make an online payment by taking your own personal computer out of your pocket. You probably did not log onto your own personal network (MiFi) which is incapable of being keystroke-tracked by an employer. A device like an iPod Touch doesn’t technically have keys, so even that has changed since you were in the workforce.

  337. Jaego Scorzne July 30, 2009 at 6:06 pm #

    In other words, Whites have no right to have their own Contries, even though Asians and Blacks do. Charming. Try to open your mind. All the Presidents up to T.R. were White Nationalists, with the possible exception of the Fool, Woodrow Wilson, a tool of the Globalists. They told him he would be “first president of the world”. He repented in great psychic agony later.
    The Revolution was carried out from the top by FDR and his cohorts. The ground has already been laid in the Universities and Foundations. Marxism had already captured the Intellectual Elite and then it began to filter into the Universities as Cultural Marxism such as the Boasian School of Anthropology. Boas was surrounded by Socialists, and homosexuals-often traitors to their own people. He sendt Margaret Meade to Tahiti not to do research but with a mission: compare the health produced by sexual freedom found in Tahiti with the warped attitudes of the Christian United States. Everything she reported has been found to be wrong by later and more objective Anthopologists. No such freedome existed in Tahiti or anyplace else for that matter. Sex is about power and reproduction and the needs of Society. She was a Fraud as a scientist, but a very real and succesful agent of change in the war against America.
    Remember, White Nationalist doesn’t automatically mean White Surpremacist. I belive East Asians are smarter than us on average. So you could say I’m an Asian Surpremacist. Also, I don’t want to rule Blacks, so I’m a Separatist not a Surpremacist. And I believe Blacks, including American Blacks, have the right to their own Nation, so you could call be a Black Nationalist as well a White Nationalist.

  338. Jaego Scorzne July 30, 2009 at 6:21 pm #

    In other words, now you can create money out of thin air. No? Well, when are they going to come out with personal portable printing presses?
    Then the boys in da hood woudn’t have to rob licquor stores anymore, they could just create all the money then need.

  339. asoka July 30, 2009 at 6:24 pm #

    JS, you cannot be a white surpremacist, because the word “surpremacist” does not exist.
    If you are going to be a white supremacist (and apparently it is your calling), at least learn how to spell it.
    Even the brothers don’t make that mistake because they know how to use spell check.

  340. Qshtik July 30, 2009 at 9:26 pm #

    So what you’re saying is that the regulars at this site are probably doing their mid-day posts, on-line banking, etc from their own personal devices?
    I owned no personal electronic devices (not even a cell phone*) so if I played solitaire or sent personal email (my two biggest crimes against the corporation) it was via the company’s equipment. If upper mgt had some beef against me they could always delve into the keystroke data but IT people were as busy as everyone else and not disposed to going on fishing trips. My boss seemed to be doing personal business on the company computer system half the time but mgt apparently liked his work so no harm no foul.
    * My kids said I was a Luddite or just plain out-of-it and bought me a cell against my will six weeks ago. I said what do you want me to do with it … call 911 if I’m attacked by the orthodox Jews in town?

  341. SNAFU July 30, 2009 at 9:51 pm #

    “Generally speaking, younger members tend to pay lower monthly amounts as their need for service is usually lower.”
    Have you ever bought health insurance? I have been procuring health insurance since 1974 from providers such as Kaiser Permanente, Etna, Blue Cross Blue Shield …. never once has my premium been based on my age or a family member’s age.
    “When billings for services provided are submitted the charges for $25.00 aspirin are scrutinized and refused.”
    Have you ever had a major repair job in a hospital? I have had a few and I scrutinized the bills and I called my health insurer to complain about such as the exorbitant $500 each price for two suture anchors put in my shoulder during rotator cuff repair to no avail they paid it. Look up a suture anchor and you will find a 1/2 inch long 1/8 inch diameter piece of stainless steel with two lengths of suture maybe 18 inches long crimped into one end. To install, the doc drills holes in your shoulder and taps the anchors in so they can be used to reattach torn ligaments. Realistic cost to manufacture http://www.oftwominds.com/blog.html

  342. asoka July 30, 2009 at 10:14 pm #

    JS asked: “In other words, Whites have no right to have their own Contries”
    Correct. Because it is impossible.
    “We generally recognize a ‘race’ based on skin color and facial features, admittedly striking traits that are quite homogeneous within an ethnic group, he said. Yet, they don’t represent general genetic differences but simply reflect evolutionary adaptations of humans to the pressures of different climates.
    “We are preoccupied by skin color differences, which give us the impression that the ‘races’ differ greatly,” Cavalli-Sforza said. “That’s not true. It is extremely rare to find other genes with the same degree of variance as skin color. All the other genetic differences are very small.”
    Genetic purity simply does not exist in human populations.
    Cavalli-Sforza, L. L., & Cavalli-Sforza, F. (1995). The great human diasporas: The history of diversity and evolution. Reading, Mass: Addison-Wesley.
    The whole world is a melting pot, or, if you prefer, a blooming buzzing confusion.
    Get used to it ’cause you’re not going to find a country that is racially pure.
    You may have been spending too much time reading stormfront.org

  343. Jaego Scorzne July 30, 2009 at 10:18 pm #

    To pick on my spelling is not only petty and uncharitable, it reveals you have no real answers to my post. Therefore I win this round. How about this: all Black economic programs focus on redistribution of wealth. Where does this wealth come from? White People. Blacks cannot create wealth. All Black Societies, without massive aid from outside, are wretchedly poor.

  344. asia July 30, 2009 at 10:29 pm #

    ‘ post a little about your background, place of origin, how you arrived where you are now, Ethnicity, Parents background, Fathers’s occupation ‘

  345. asia July 30, 2009 at 10:35 pm #

    I know an acupuncturist who worked for an orthopedic? clinic that had many offices
    i told that to another acupuncturist…he didnt seem surprised
    said he
    ‘ when i hurt my neck an md charged 1000$ to evaluate..it took one minute to have me turn my neck and write something on the insurance form’

  346. asia July 30, 2009 at 10:37 pm #

    is english yr native language?
    if not its understandable
    yr english reads like that of an eastern european

  347. Johnny Rico July 30, 2009 at 10:49 pm #

    The thing about “zzzzzz” is that he is actually ineresting and entertaining to read.
    He has figured out how to write 30 or 40 words and make it palatable or funny or something. This is a skill in the world of the new internetz and the texting wasteland of twitter and iphones.
    Dale couldn’t do this if his life depended on it. He can’t even give a good stock tip.
    And turkle. turkle is just a dead man walking.
    OEO has the ability out of nowhere to say positive things about Tom Sizemore. For this act alone he shall be remembered.
    Michael Jackson made Sizemore’s narcotic adventures look like a tour of the Hershey’s factory. But Jackson who fucked little boys gets sent to Hollywood Allstar Heaven while Sizemore spends years in prison for parole violations on possession charges?

  348. asoka July 30, 2009 at 10:56 pm #

    From the time of Jefferson on, most observers have systematically ignored the wealth generation resulting from the massive black labor that built the United States.

  349. asia July 30, 2009 at 11:03 pm #

    congressman Pete king was on radio..he claims the house had a moment of silence for jackson
    who refused to eat sugar [was family 7th day adventists?]
    but was there to advertise Pepsi
    then became the worst addict

  350. Johnny Rico July 30, 2009 at 11:20 pm #

    Gunny has a new show out.
    It’s called “Lock N’ Load” on The History Channel Friday nights (I think, I’m watching on VCR).
    Gunny. Or Lee Ermey is probably one of the most underrated Americans who has ever appeared on camera.
    I was not a big fan of his last show, Mailbag. But he has managed to meld his style with what that other guy did on “Modern Weapons” into something cool.
    I still don’t like the rock’n’roll soundtrack. But the super-slo-mo video that the Germans now use on F1 broadcasts is super-cool. Especially with arty rounds.
    The first episode on Artillery is very good. I feel he hit his marks. He skipped Napoleon, WW1, and WW2 completely, but in retrospect I agree with his decision.
    He actually covered the details of the “Napoleon” and “Parrot” guns from the Civil War and covered the modern “M109”? Paladin.
    I give it 6 stars out of 5. Nice job.

  351. Johnny Rico July 30, 2009 at 11:34 pm #

    @asia –
    I’m not familiar with you. Is this a new moniker for you?
    I don’t really deal with unknowns. Establish credit and I’ll answer.

  352. asoka July 30, 2009 at 11:36 pm #

    Regarding the YouTube you linked to: Why do men like to romanticize training for killing that involves someone screaming at shaven headed de-personalized youth? What is glorious about dehumanizing other human beings?

  353. asoka July 30, 2009 at 11:38 pm #

    Regarding the YouTube you linked to: Why do men like to romanticize training for killing that involves someone screaming at shaven headed de-personalized youth? What is glorious about dehumanizing other human beings?

  354. Johnny Rico July 30, 2009 at 11:59 pm #

    Diprivan makes you gone.
    So does valium.
    But the fact that Dr. Drew would say this in front of ABC cameras makes you realize. Diprivan makes you gone in seconds and a lot more quicker.
    I actually took valium recently . I saw it in my […]’s medicine cabinet and stole 4. 5 mgs each. The first two didn’t do shit so I took the others.
    20 mgs total. Back in the day when I was a complete addict and doing xanax, 20 mgs was nothing.
    I can still drive home on it. And I was disappointed.
    Just makes you sleepy. It relieved NO tention. 3 aspirin are basically the same.

  355. jim e July 31, 2009 at 12:51 am #

    If OEO were to read your Daily Grunt (July 29, 2009) he would see with both.

  356. Johnny Rico July 31, 2009 at 12:52 am #

    I have no idea.
    It’s funny, though. You gotta admit.
    I spend a fair amount of my time looking at these issues. I still don’t understand. It’s an excellent question, Asoka. I wish I could help. I can’t. I keep looking at it.
    I’m watching Ken Burns’ Civil War series and chiming in on Abu Muqawama. I hope you are having a great summer. One of these days me and you and Doom and OEO are going to get together for a “beer.”
    I will of course bring my other friends – Holmes, Bif, Tipping, MOU, AU, Yarra, Remus, Nudge, Big Bird, Cookie Monster, and the other cool dudes.
    No seriously. You are one badass Motherfucker.
    OEO will tell you that. I’ve tried everything to knock out your guns. They just won’t fall.

  357. asoka July 31, 2009 at 1:31 am #

    I am nothing compared to Alberto Contador.

  358. Dr. Doom July 31, 2009 at 4:01 am #

    dale, in another life, you must have been a pinyata, or a bean bag chair, or a punching bag, you get my drift?
    why do you continue to let ZZZZZZZZ have his way with you? it’s embarrassing.
    asoka wears Raygun’s old teflon mask and suit.

  359. Kiwi Nick July 31, 2009 at 5:34 am #

    According to the Pareto 80-20 rule, it only takes one-fifth of the public to set social actions in motion, and only one-fifth of that one-fifth to do the heavy lifting. I think we’ve reached that point

    This is an important point.
    I previously alluded to people power against an Aussie bank’s fees (with the rest now running scared).
    The public need to march on the White House (or perhaps a high profile building in New York). And soon. Keep it peaceful, but high profile.
    Hell, if Perth (pop: 1m) can produce a march of 20000 people to demand more protection for Police [an attack on one policeman left him paralysed], imagine what New York (or Washington DC) can produce?
    I’m too far away from the action to be useful, so who’s going to step up to the plate?

  360. dave July 31, 2009 at 6:51 am #

    not me nick. i’ll wait till the heavy lifting is done; that’s just the way i roll.

  361. zzzzzz July 31, 2009 at 10:04 am #

    “…. never once has my premium been based on my age or a family member’s age.”
    Riiight, Kenny boy. They don’t ask you your age or the ages of your kids or spouse on any of the forms do they? (Fucking MORON
    “I scrutinized the bills and I called my health insurer to complain about such as the exorbitant $500 each price for two suture anchors put in my shoulder during rotator cuff repair to no avail they paid it.”
    Like you should know what an acceptable rate would be for such a procedure? Do you think they don’t have records from all regions of the country as to what the norm is for such a procedure? Of course Dr. Kenny knows best.
    “Look up a suture anchor and you will find a 1/2 inch long 1/8 inch diameter piece of stainless steel with two lengths of suture maybe 18 inches long crimped into one end.”
    Look up the procedure for changing the spark plugs in a 1998 Ford Contour. A mechanic has to remove some components that are in the way and there is a blind reach for the back bank of plugs. As a result my mechanic wants to charge me 2 hours at $75.00 per hour! And all the cocksucker is doing is unscrewing and re-screwing some fucking spark plugs. (The plugs which are merely ceramic and metal cost $36.00, FUCKING MORON)
    “As the remainder of your rant had only one concern “profit”
    Yes asshole, because I made the succinct point that the all evil “profit” drives efficiencies and recruits capable management. It allowed for your shoulder work to happen. Imagine the postal worker that is in the back room hiding instead of coming out front, opening another window and getting the line moving. Profit equals incentive. Think carrot, not stick.
    And as for doctors being “greedy cocksuckers”? EEEEEEEEP!!! Wrong answer. Greed would indicate they want to make a more than deserved from medicaid procedures, when in fact they lose money on every single medicaid patient.
    “Medicaid reimburses doctors about 60 percent to 80 percent of the total cost of care, so many doctors are placing a limit on the number of Medicaid patients they accept or deciding not to accept them at all.”
    article here: http://www.khi.org/s/index.cfm?aid=941
    Now I don’t know what you do or did for a living, ill-informed asshole, but I’d be willing to guess that if I showed up and expected you to perform a service that would COST you money, I’m guessing form your hissy-fit posting, you just might show me the door.

  362. asoka July 31, 2009 at 10:21 am #

    Weiner offers amendment to eliminate Medicare
    @ 12:33 pm by Hill Staff
    Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY) has offered a measure that would eliminate Medicare.
    While certainly not expecting his amendment to pass–let alone receive a single vote–Weiner is using the amendment to force a vote on a “government run” program that most lawmakers support.
    Weiner wants the lawmakers who oppose including a so-called “public option” in healthcare reform to take a stand on whether government is capable of running a healthcare program.
    “It’s put-up or shut-up time for the phonies who deride the so-called ‘public option,” Rep. Weiner said.

  363. zzzzzz July 31, 2009 at 10:25 am #

    Thanks Congressman Weenie. Wouldn’t it be tits if the fucking thing passed?

  364. Ed Nauseum July 31, 2009 at 1:59 pm #

    “I made the succinct point that the all evil ‘profit’ drives efficiencies and recruits capable management”
    Yeah, that’s why we in the US spend twice as much per capita on health care as the rest of the Western, industrialized world. It’s those grandfatherly actuaries who are just making sure there’s enough money set aside. And those capable managers.
    Jesus, what a fucking tool you are.

  365. Ed Nauseum July 31, 2009 at 3:15 pm #

    “I made the succinct point that the all evil ‘profit’ drives efficiencies and recruits capable management”
    Yeah, that’s why we in the US spend twice as much per capita on health care as the rest of the Western, industrialized world:
    It’s those sainted, grandfatherly actuaries who are just making sure there’s enough money set aside for Mom’s hysterectomy. And those “capable” managers:
    Jesus, what a fucking tool you are.

  366. dale July 31, 2009 at 3:22 pm #

    “The thing about “zzzzzz” is that he is actually ineresting and entertaining to read.” –Rico
    That’s because, Rico, you are a poorly educated, emotionally 17 y.o. person(whatever your actual age). Your little fantasy about being some sort of tough guy makes that abundantly clear. To anyone with a little greater experience, he is nothing more than a screeching child with little to add. Just check out the comments here for the last week, what do you think they say about the prevailing opinion of his “contributions.”?

  367. dale July 31, 2009 at 3:44 pm #

    Doom……Seriously…..did you become a prof because hanging out with children is your thing? If so, good for you, but it would be a little pathetic.
    The twin twerp tag team couldn’t touch me if I laid down in front of them.
    It was actually weird yesterday to read Parrotboy’s little gay stalker thing about Sizemore. I mean….we should all examine (frame by frame, mind you) every scene of a movie this guy is in to try and find one that he isn’t “arresting” in??? I don’t know what you call that, but it goes a little beyond “movie fan” in the pyschology text books. Clearly, the kid needs a female in his life, if that isn’t out of the question for a number of reasons.
    As for Rico, I think he sits around his house practicing acting how he thinks some mafia guy might talk and behave.
    They are both O.K. I guess, in small doses, and I’m not saying they shouldn’t be posters here, even if Parrot boy’s been tossed off several times. But when they start thinking they are actually “bad ass” or something, it’s really pretty rediculous.

  368. dale July 31, 2009 at 3:55 pm #

    But enough of this little squabble. I’m much more interested in Jaego screwing up the courage to tell us about his background. You’re not afraid of doing that are you Jaego?

  369. Jaego Scorzne July 31, 2009 at 4:02 pm #

    If Race doesn’t exist, than why do Blacks get Affirmative Action? They say Whites don’t exist, but they sure seem to be able to pick us out to discriminate aganst us.
    The populations Cafalli-Sforza talks about correspond exactly to the well established map of the races. He gets away with studying and writing books because he doesn’t use the word “race” but only word “population” or “genetic population”. It comes out to the same thing. Another liberal idea of a few years ago: race is just subjective and we are trained to notice it. Then a few Chinese Anthropologists showed up to study the Bushmen of the Kalahari. The Bushmen immediately asked the Old Time Whites, “who are these guys”? In short, they noticed. Skin color is only a small part of race. The Dravidians of South India are often darker than American Blacks, but they are not Black at all. Likewise with the Papuans of New Guinea. Other factors are shape of the skull, teeth, size and shape of the brain, hormone levels, etc. There is a robust relationship between brain size and IQ. Whties and East Asians have the larges and the Tropical Races the smallest. So generally, the darker the dumber. That may not follow for the Dravidians, a very dark Caucasian Race according to some.
    Blacks built America-and therefore they should rule it right? Blacks didn’t build America, they helped farm the South-as slaves. Nothing more. There’s the program I mentioned in the Black Brain-everyone scoffed but there it is. Blacks in Britain, who have only been there a few decades, say the same thing. It’s like these people were created to bring down civilizations.
    Whites create. Browns (some anyway) and Yellows maintain. And Blacks destroy.

  370. Jaego Scorzne July 31, 2009 at 4:24 pm #

    So you can turn up the Ad Hominems? No, I’ll pass. I’ll reveal myself in a natural way as the Spirit moves me. And as far as your pop psychology-I’m not impressed. For every other people on Earth, ethnic and racial pride are fine, but not for us. Why? If you have kids with a Black Woman, those kids will have very little relation to you genetically. In other words, you will be closer genetically to me than your own children. Think about it, it’s weird. And of course they wont look like you since White Traits are recessive. And in terms of mentality too-just like when you buy a computer, some programs are built right in. Just so with genes, they effect mentality as well as IQ. I want kids who look like me and who think and act like Whites.
    Here’s an experiment: You believe Whites have no special relation to Western Civilization. Fine, I know it’s forbidden to believe that anymore. Now extend that to the Chinese. Find a Chinese Gentleman who speaks good English. Tell him that the Chinese have no relationship to Chinese Civiization. He will look at you with amazement. You see his discomfort, and explain that Whites have no relation to Western Civilization either. His amazement turn to Contempt and even a touch of pity as he turn away from you. One mark of all East Asian Cultures-they don’t argue when people are irrational. They will just let you go your mad way. The Japanese are absolutely amazed at our downfall. In their own non-emotional way, they feel sorry for us. They intend to survive despite their being corrupted by the West. They are combatting their low birthrates by bringing back Japanese from abroad and supplementing their labor shortage by developing robots. They now lead the world in this field.

  371. dale July 31, 2009 at 5:45 pm #

    I would agree not to attack you ad hominem, as you say, if you agree to tell the truth. I’ve known a few Serbs (or Croats), which I suspect you might be, and I have a pretty good idea how institutialized racism is that culture. When you are part of a culture that has been systematically involved in racial cleaning and genocide for centuries, what chance do you have of being objective on such issues?
    Secondly, Please post some proof of your notion that if I had a child with a black woman I would be genetically more like you than the child. As I understand genetics that is patently untrue. There is also no collection of physical “white traits” that are recessive. If Obama (for example) looks more black than white to you, that is simply a reflection of your bias. To me he looks pretty much in the middle.
    Third, there is likewise no collection of behavioral traits that is unique or more prevalent in “whites” that is statistically significant, when environmental factors are eliminated.
    In short, you are making a lot of claims using a scientific justification, which simply has no basis in scientific fact

  372. dave July 31, 2009 at 9:09 pm #

    people who say that there is no such thing as race within the human spiecies are just stupid. it’s like saying that great danes and chiuahuas are not differnt breeds cause they’re both dogs.
    6’2″ bright white scandinavians are are a different race from 4’1″ dark black pygmies? get fucking real.
    when somebody says that one race is somehow “better”, on an absolute scale some sort, however, that’s just as stupid.
    adapated to the circumstance, that’s all, asswipes.

  373. jim e August 1, 2009 at 12:07 am #

    Asoka, Do not sale your self short.

  374. jim e August 1, 2009 at 12:56 am #

    You should not sale yourself short, Asoka. You guys are helping this dotted line, southern dumbass, named earl, think. If only one day I could learn the command of the written word.
    Reminds me of these lyrics sung beautifully by Claire Lynch:
    I told you all I’m a simple man
    I got no command of the written word
    I can only try and tell you
    The things I seen and heard
    Listen to this picture
    Forever etched upon my mind
    The day that hell broke loose just north of Marietta
    All along the Kennesaw Line.
    Sammy I think I been hurt real bad
    Ain’t this a hell of a day
    Best go leave me be now
    I think I need some time to pray
    You know how bad I been wanting to go home
    Couldn’t see rightly how
    Colonel Field ain’t gonna have a choice this time
    I think I’m gonna get my furlough now

  375. Jaego Scorzne August 1, 2009 at 1:17 am #

    Proof? Easy, go to the FBI’s website and look up the crime statistics for the various races. Blacks are by far the highest and East Asians by far the lowest. Get a book on babies. Blacks can hold up their heads at 2 days, it takes Whites weeks. Ask someone who works with newborns-they are different right away from birth; it’s not culture. You wll find that Blacks are 13 percent of the population but commit 50% of the murders and even more of the robberies and rapes. IQ tests have found them to far inferior to Whites or Asians. And Asians are smarter than Whites. Pure blood Blacks have an IQ of 70-as found by Jenson, Rushton, Weyl et al. Lookitup. American Blacks, because of the admixture of White Blood, have an IQ of 85. The most outstanding Black Americans are almost universally Mulattoes and Quadroons.
    Look at Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s old pastor. He more than half White to look at him, but he hates Whites. He hates Whites so much that’s he’s moved to an almost all White Suburb. So now he has the best of both worlds. He gets to hate Whites for a living, but still get to benefit from a peaceufl White Neighborhood. And he’s still “Black” eneough and cool eneough to preach to Blacks about how they should hate Whites. And they buy it-just as White Americans do. Now that’s a smart man. A Carny not a Rube. A Wolf not a Sheep. If you can’t see through him, than he’s a smarter man than you. Steet smarts are important too after all. And Blacks have far more than Whites at this point. Blacks vote for their own benefit and then check to see if the promises made are being carried out. Whites vote for crap like “diversity” and multiculturalism. And only Whites vote against their own interests. No one else does. Not the Chinese. Not the Mexicans. Not the South Asians. And not the Jews. If this pattern is not broken, our complete dispossesion is assured. It’s a big picture, but if you can grasp it, it is the ultimate proof of racial difference.
    Remember that speech Clinton made a few months before he left office? He proclaimed that Whites would be a minority by 2050 and the all White crowd erupted in wild joy. Now if you were as worldly and sophisticated as you let on, you would find this amazing. No other people would celebrate their own dispossesion. Can you imagine Blacks doing it? The Mexicans? Not in a million years. You see, they love themsleves. As the motto of La Raza puts it, “Por La Raza todo, Fuera de la raza nada.” For our Race everything, for other races, nothing. Proof indeed.

  376. Jaego Scorzne August 1, 2009 at 1:37 am #

    Is smarter better? Depends on what you value, but most people would say it is. You can admit Blacks are better runners, jumpers, boxers, football players-it would only anger them and make them feel you were condescending to them. Even if they never cracked a book in their life, they still know that smarts is where it’s at. And they know in their heart of hearts that they are not equal with the White Man in this regard. And the objective evidence, both from the psych lab and the classroom indicates the same conclusion.
    My question to you, why should they be? We’ve been seperated from them for 50,000 years or so-it’s not strange that there are some differences. It would be in fact, very strange if there weren’t any. All Liberals believe in Evolution and Darwin, but they don’t understand them well eneough to apply evolutionary theory to human beings. Or they are afraid to. Because in point of fact, the brain is a physical organ too and subject to evolutionary laws. What if conditions in Africa, both social and environmental, favored male aggresion? And what if these conditions in Asia favored cooperation among men? Yes, then the brain and behavior would change just as the body lightens or darkens according to the lattitude. Just like German Shepherds have one type personality and Golden Retrievers another. You don’t have to teach a Golden Retriever to retrieve-they want to do it. You can shape the behavior if you want but you don’t have to create it-the program comes with the hard drive. Nevertheless, all these breeds are still the same species, despite the subtle differnces in genes which lead to differences in ability and behavior. It is the same with Humans, one species but many breeds or races. Don’t let anyone tell you that we know all there is to know about the human genetic code. We don’t. And certain lines of research, those concerning differences in racial IQ for example, have become verboten. But we know they exist based on work done when our Culture was still free. And we know form our everyday experiences working and going to school with other races that they are not all the same.

  377. Flyover August 1, 2009 at 4:21 am #

    Dave, speaking through his paper asshole – “people who say that there is no such thing as race within the human spiecies are just stupid. it’s like saying that great danes and chiuahuas are not differnt breeds cause they’re both dogs.”
    You simpleminded clusterfucking moron, answer this. What race are Egyptians? Now listen you dumb cunt, get a map out and look up Egypt, it is a part of the African contintent. If an Egyptian moves to the Untited States, are they considered to be African Americans? So tell me, you simpleminded clusterfucker, what race are they?
    You people are so fucking brainwashed, it’s unbelievable.
    Dogs are dogs, people are people.
    It may be that we are facing tremendous difficulties in the coming years, with the potential of mass starvation. And so, here we have some little pussies who are concerned about spelling mistakes. What a bunch of wimpy clusterfuckers. They have no chance in hell of surviving a catastrophe.

  378. Flyover August 1, 2009 at 4:27 am #

    Dave, speaking through his paper asshole – “people who say that there is no such thing as race within the human spiecies are just stupid. it’s like saying that great danes and chiuahuas are not differnt breeds cause they’re both dogs.”
    You simpleminded clusterfucking moron, answer this. What race are Egyptians? Now listen you dumb cunt, get a map out and look up Egypt, it is a part of the African contintent. If an Egyptian moves to the Untited States, are they considered to be African Americans? So tell me, you simpleminded clusterfucker, what race are they?
    You people are so fucking brainwashed, it’s unbelievable.
    Dogs are dogs, people are people.
    It may be that we are facing tremendous difficulties in the coming years, with the potential of mass starvation. And so, here we have some little pussies who are concerned about spelling mistakes. What a bunch of wimpy clusterfuckers. They have no chance in hell of surviving a catastrophe.

  379. abbeysbooks August 1, 2009 at 4:45 am #

    Ryder you are so correct. Been reading Bernard-Henri Levy or Houellebecq lately? If not go there and get positive feedback. Levy’s War, Evil and the End of History but I was thinking especially of his American Vertigo where he redid Tocqueville’s 100th anniversary trip around America.
    Jaego I did not advocate cafe au lait. What I said was it is inevitable (or words to that effect). Inevitable is a different word from desirable.
    Tolerance is our greatest enemy.
    On immigration: Australia, Canada and New Zealand have very strict immigration laws and procedures. If you have skills that are not going to compete with the natives, then OK, but you must have skills.(This means you are educated, have some culture, can read and write, etc.) Why? BECAUSE THEY HAVE NATIONAL HEALTH CARE!(And educated skilled people tend not to smoke, eat more nutritious food, and so on.It’s a class thing.)
    Universal health care and open immigration for cheap labor (yes that is the real reason) are incompatible.
    The inherent incompatible beliefs embedded in capitalist ideology will destroy us through our denial.
    Never underestimate the power of denial.-Ricky Fitz in American Beauty.
    Oh and thanks to I forget for the Hitchens link on Gates-gate. He is so correct too.

  380. farmerswife August 1, 2009 at 4:54 am #

    “I didn’t drop out of the sky fulled formed…”
    Why would anyone think that? Everyone knows White Supremacists crawled out from under a rock.

  381. Jaego Scorzne August 1, 2009 at 11:19 am #

    Addendum: Mean to say East Asians rape less than White Men. Thank you for your interest in this interesting subject. It’s important! If the Races are not the same, then the so called “Disparate Impact” is not relevant and White Teachers can stop crying about how they are subconscious racists and make their Black Students fail.

  382. Qshtik August 1, 2009 at 1:47 pm #

    I’ve had an epiphany. Posting here is like casual sex with a slut … when it’s over there’s nothing left but post-coital depression.
    Buh bye (and don’t say “good riddance” all at once).

  383. asia August 1, 2009 at 1:51 pm #

    1 in 3 in AUSTRALIA is an immigrant…usually from asia
    I believe in the 1980s Aussi land wanted lots of immigrants,,,UNDER 35 YEARS OR AGE PLEASE
    now im not so sure
    a friend wants out of usa and has spent 1000s of $$$ to get clearances to move/ work in canada
    ANY INFO FROM OTHERS ON ‘ MOVING OUT’?..anywhere outside of usa

  384. asia August 1, 2009 at 1:54 pm #

    If Race doesn’t exist, than why do Blacks get Affirmative Action
    its not whether sub species exist
    AA exists because politicians exist,,HAHAHAHAHAH
    and i agree with someone else here…will you share yr background? any bio???

  385. asia August 1, 2009 at 1:56 pm #

    He more than half White to look at him, but he hates Whites
    HERE I AGREE W YOU….and Obamas supposedly 105 black , 40% arab

  386. dale August 1, 2009 at 2:51 pm #

    I didn’t ask for you to give me what passes for “proof” in your distorted frame of reference. I asked you to post, as many people here have, a little information about yourself which would allow us to examine the source of your attitudes.
    You try to pass yourself off as becoming racist due to so-called scientific evidence, but you refuse to face the fact that there are other causes. The truth is, you are just a victim of your social conditioning, just as the unfortunate people you claim to be “inferior” are victims of theirs.
    You have much more in common with the people you have been conditioned by your background to regard as inferior, than you are willing to face.
    Therefore, the rest of us can take one of two approaches to your unfortunate circumstances; regard you as inferior, or hate you for it, as you are doing, or have compassion for you, in the hope that you will one day overcome your affliction. I will do my best to have compassion for you, but if you continue to post the same delusional ravings here, I will also ignore you, and hope that eventually JHK will become embarrassed enough by you to ban you.

  387. Dr. Doom August 1, 2009 at 4:58 pm #

    dale, I give up. It’s your and asoka’s blog now. I honestly don’t know why OEO continues here, amid the morons and racist haters, although I suspect JR is just bored and looking for some fun.
    I guess I’ll revert to a Monday commenter, if at all. After all, it’s not like JHK is reading here, he’s too busy for that, don’t-cha-know?

  388. asoka August 1, 2009 at 7:46 pm #

    JS said: “White Teachers can stop crying about how they are subconscious racists and make their Black Students fail.”
    College and university education is now moving online. Giving classes online is called distance education. In distance education classes teachers may never see any of their students face to face.
    Students are graded objectively according to their intellectual ability.
    Racism does not enter into the educational process in online classes.

  389. asoka August 1, 2009 at 7:49 pm #

    JS said: “White Teachers can stop crying about how they are subconscious racists and make their Black Students fail.”
    College and university education is now moving online. Giving classes online is called distance education. In distance education classes teachers may never see any of their students face to face.
    Students are graded objectively according to their intellectual ability.
    Racism does not enter into the educational process in online classes.

  390. asoka August 1, 2009 at 8:08 pm #

    Dr. Doom said: “I guess I’ll revert to a Monday commenter, if at all.”
    It may be time for you to take a break.
    I hope you continue to post as I enjoy your comments… you will now have time to research how cyanobacteria are being used in a SUSTAINABLE renewable energy photosynthetic process to produce 20,000 gallons of fuel a year per acre (on non-arable land) without PNK external inputs.
    You’ll have to read beyond the Wikipedia. Try reading the peer-reviewed environmental engineering and ecology literature where the original research findings on sustainable, renewable energy from algae are being published.

  391. asoka August 1, 2009 at 8:34 pm #

    JS said: “You believe Whites have no special relation to Western Civilization. ”
    In his book, THE EASTERN ORIGINS OF WESTERN CIVILISATION (Cambridge University Press, 2004) John Hobson challenges the ethnocentric bias of mainstream accounts of the Rise of the West. It is often assumed that since Ancient Greek times Europeans have pioneered their own development, and that the East has been a passive by-stander in the story of progressive world history.
    Hobson argues that there were two processes that enabled the Rise of the ‘Oriental West’. First, each major developmental turning point in Europe was informed in large part by the assimilation of Eastern inventions (e.g. ideas, technologies and institutions) which diffused from the more advanced East across the Eastern-led global economy between 500–1800.
    Second, the construction of European identity after 1453 led to imperialism, through which Europeans appropriated many Eastern resources (land, labour and markets). Hobson’s book thus propels the hitherto marginalised Eastern peoples to the forefront of the story of progress in world history.
    • Provides a non-racist account of the Rise of the West • Rethinks the essential categories, concepts and assumptions of world history • Explores the role of identity in world historical development

  392. abbeysbooks August 1, 2009 at 9:05 pm #

    If you read Toynbee he details that the barbarians outside the empire join the military mistakenly fighting unwinnable wars out there. And then there are the barbarians inside the empire. We see a lot of them these days in all walks of life.
    I don’t think it is racial so much as just the level of consciousness is regressing. People may have degrees but they have been inflated and given for substandard work.
    And as more and more become unemployed the problem intensifies, which is why DC is terrified of unemployment numbers that keep increasing. As long as the hostility and aggressive energy can be siphoned off into “work, labor etc” then the masses can be managed.
    JHK is correct in perceiving that they are gonna be really mad and destructive. and we are gonna see Iraq here at home now that the Iraqis have shown us how to do it and stalemate them.
    Where is David Foster Wallace when we need him. He saw so clearly.

  393. dale August 1, 2009 at 9:14 pm #

    “I hope you continue to post as I enjoy your comments… you will now have time to research how cyanobacteria are being used in a SUSTAINABLE renewable energy photosynthetic process to produce 20,000 gallons of fuel a year per acre (on non-arable” – Asoka
    Touche, well put!!
    This isn’t anyone’s blog, I hope. One reason I got on the twins is their presumption that it was theirs, after all. I don’t want it, most of the time I have other things going on. As far as I’m concerned you’re always welcome, even when you morph into a shit throwing monkey. (well, maybe not then). I’m sure you’ll be back if the price of oil goes up, that’s just my prediction……

  394. dale August 1, 2009 at 9:22 pm #

    People come and go here, “all meetings lead to partings” as my teacher once said. That is the lesson of impermanence.

  395. abbeysbooks August 1, 2009 at 9:31 pm #

    Many years ago I talked with a Pakistani psychiatrist who said the Jews historically brought down the civilizations they emigrated into. That that was their destiny perhaps? What they did was to expose the hypocrisies of the culture they were in.
    I found it a very interesting idea and have thought about it for over 20 years.

  396. asoka August 1, 2009 at 9:55 pm #

    dale said: “People come and go here, “all meetings lead to partings””
    And desire is the cause of suffering.
    So many are suffering because they desire my parting…

  397. asoka August 2, 2009 at 1:31 am #

    abbeybooks said: “a Pakistani psychiatrist who said the Jews historically brought down the civilizations they emigrated into.”
    Jews have made tremendous contributions to the cultural, scientific, and technological evolution of world civilization.
    Check out this website:

  398. Jaego Scorzne August 2, 2009 at 1:37 am #

    Ah yes, the Classic Black Theory of Western Civilization-Whites are just thieves and stole all the Knowledge from Blacks. But you see Ashoka, knowledge isn’t like a car, you can’t steal it in the sense that the original owner doesn’t have it anymore. Now if Blacks had been so advanced, they still would be now. Do you believe in Yacgub-the evil Black Scientist who according to Elijah Muhammad, created Whites sixty million years ago? According to Louis Farakahn, a huge space ship manned by Blacks is orbiting the Earth. These astronauts are handsome Black Men. And Muhammad Ali said, they never smile. I wonder why not? Is it because they know they don’t exist?
    Yesterday upon the Stair,
    I met a man who wasn’t there,
    He wasn’t there again today,
    I wish to God he’d go away.
    A perfect metaphor for Black Civilization.

  399. asoka August 2, 2009 at 1:39 am #

    Thank goodness for multiculturalism and diversity.
    E Pluribus Unum (Latin for “Out of Many, One)
    We are all one race: the human race.

  400. wagelaborer August 2, 2009 at 1:41 am #

    Oh, snap! That was funny.

  401. asoka August 2, 2009 at 1:59 am #

    JS said: “Yesterday upon the Stair,
    I met a man who wasn’t there,
    He wasn’t there again today,
    I wish to God he’d go away.
    A perfect metaphor for Black Civilization.”
    You mean Egypt no longer exists? Europe has received the impress of Egyptian civilization, in its customs, its art and crafts, its medical and surgical knowledge and even in its beliefs.
    Egypt is in Africa. Scholars have found, in artifacts, striking evidence of Nubia’s influence on Egyptian culture and its development of kingly rule, a pivotal political innovation that may have influenced the rise of pharaohs in Egypt. Nubia was an important civilization in its own right. Nubia was a Black civilization.
    Western civilization comes from Eastern and African achievements. There are racist white European scholars who believe in an “Aryan model” for the origins of classical Greek culture — and hence Western civilization. But the roots are ancient Egyptians (who were a multi-cultural mixture of Africa, the Mediterranean and Asia Minor) and Eastern civilizations.
    See these books:
    Hobson, J. M. (2004). The Eastern origins of Western civilization. Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press.)
    Bernal, M. (2006). Black athena: THE AFRO-ASIATIC ROOTS OF WESTERN CLASSICAL CIVILISATION. Free Association Books.

  402. Jaego Scorzne August 2, 2009 at 2:03 am #

    You must be Jewish to believe that. They bring down Civilizations by working together to create monopolies. And yes, they let greedy gentiles in too. And they always go for the press. Once you contol the media, you can make people believe anything. Anything. Thank God Mr Kunstler finally let off the Paulson, Paulson, Paulson mantra. I commend him. It’s not easy for Jews to take frankly about themselves in front of other people. They contol finance. It’s just that simple. The only big gentile bankers in this country were the Rockefellers-and they worked for the Rothschilds. They have sucked America dry and when finished they will throw the pale carcass to the third world hyenas.
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    A caveat: there is plenty of blame to go around. If the Yankee Capitalists hadn’t been so greedy, the Jews could never have done this. But they saw the Jews had a great plan to centralize money and power, so they went along with it. And if the people had been awake, it would have all been different. But it’s too late now to peacefully change America back. The only answer, to use Kunstler delightfully crazy image, is to become one of Glen Beck’s tatooed followers.

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    JS said: “You must be Jewish…”
    Yes, I am Jewish, and Christian, and Buddhist, and white and black and yellow and red and brown…
    As Whitman said: “Do I contradict myself? Very well then, I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes.
    E Pluribus Unum.
    There is only one race: the human race.

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  410. Jaego Scorzne August 2, 2009 at 12:55 pm #

    So what have Whites done, nothing right? Keep going, you just sound crazier and crazier. The Ancient Egyptians were White Men. Their remains clearly show that, as well as the pictographs. Yes there were Blacks around-as slaves and later mercenaries. Nubia was a tributary if that’s the right word. They paid tribute and were allowed to govern themselves. Later when Egypt had been conquered a couple of times and was weak, a “gang” of Nubian Mercenaries did take over and stayed for a hundred years or so before they were thrown out. That’s where America is now. Obama is Pharoah, an incarnation and summation of the God of Political Correctness, just as the ancient Pharoahs were representatives of Amon Ra and later Osiris.
    Back to my original question, if Whites are a race of thieves as Blacks believe, how can there ever be harmony in this country? Tens of millions of Whites now know the Truth about what Blacks really think of them. And our numbers are growing. The whole thing is cant. Whites were asked to admit Blacks on equal terms into our Society-and most opened their hearts to do so. But Blacks never changed, they just got angrier and angrier. Whites did the psychological work, and Blacks didn’t. The old timey racists were thus proved correct in their predictions. Blacks have gotten so much from riots, wild accusations, and affirmative action, so what’s the incentive to give up these things? They think they can get more the same way. They don’t realize the law of diminishing returns is now operative. And even the establishment may run out of patience. The next time Blacks riot, they may not be treated with kid gloves as they have for decades now. As Mr Kunstler says, Black Bullshit is not going to be put up with in the Long Emergency.

  411. turkle August 2, 2009 at 2:11 pm #

    Obviously, YOU have done ALL the “psychological work”, as I can tell that you are a perfectly well-adjusted and non-biased person, definitely not a bigot or a racist. Kudos to you for seeing beyond skin color and judging each person by their character and actions. I salute you. Heil, Jagoff!

  412. Jaego Scorzne August 2, 2009 at 2:30 pm #

    Yes, the Germans saved Rome-the old Roman Stock had stopped having babies-too much trouble, to many squabbles about inheritances, women’s lib-and men not wanting to deal with that. Whores and boy whores were so much easier than having families. The Germans profoundly admired Roman achievment and wanted to become part of it. How different from our immigrants who openly despise us. But later the Germans starting coming without invitation and there was war. Even degenerate as they were, the Romans never stopped loving themselves as we have. They found a coin showing a gladiator killing a German enscribed, “The good times are back”. The Romans found the Germans rude, crude, and smelly. But the Germans did conquer in the end, and did help create a New Civilization. But the ethnic conflict remained for a thousand years, the German Nobles on one side, the Italian Commoners and Latin Nobility on the other-with the Church. This came down to the time of Dante with the conflict between the Ghibellines and the Guelfs. By this time it had pretty much ceased to be ethnic and was now ideological with the Ghibellines believing the doctrine of the two Suns-both Church and State are divinely inspired, in other words, the King is equal to the Pope and should have no interfer-ence in secular matters. The Gulefs on the other hand, believed the doctrine of the Sun and the Moon, with the Church being the Sun and the State being the moon and thus subordinate to the Church. Dante was a Ghibelline and on the losing side. He never his beloved Florence again and had to content himself with writing a masterpiece.
    Where was I, oh yes, we are doomed. The new invaders and immigrants are not Germans nor Celts and will not appreciate our Civilization. They are wired differently-the like the beat, we like melody. They like sex, we like romance. They like pleasure, we like beauty. They aren’t into museums, landscapes, hiking, classical music, nothing but rap crap and Afro-Carribean beats and dance. I like some of the latter too; as a more advanced being, I contain all that they are, but they do not contain me. I am not defined by their limitations. Shall the Swarthy Men feast in the White Tower? I say no. We’ll pull it down first and create a new civilization just as we did before.

  413. asia August 2, 2009 at 4:07 pm #

    What Jews did was to expose the hypocrisies of the culture they were in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    what about their own hypocrisies…in Isreal or elsewhere?
    expose the hypocrisies of the culture they were in!..is that why the germans hated them so?

  414. Jaego Scorzne August 2, 2009 at 4:42 pm #

    Good boy, I pat your head. You are supposed to hate Whites who love themselves. You are a good dog. Does prefering my own people make me a racist? Then I’m a racist and proud of it. All healthy people are racists such as the Chinese, Hindus, Arabs, Jews, etc. Only sick White Libtards are multiculturalists. That’s strictly a package for college educated White Fools. Or do you mean something else by the word racist? Ordinary untrained people will aruge for hours about something and never even define the term. You are obviously untrained, philosohically at least(!), so I just assumed you had the ordinary ignorant, White bad-everyone else good attitude. If not, please explain! But you wont cuz you can’t because it’s nonsense. A universal nation is a contradiction of terms. All these different colored people here are going to be the end of us. America is just a grab bag to them. And patriotism just an abstraction. They’re for their own people and they all want to bring as many of their people here as they can. It’s going to be Apocalypse when things go bad. The war of all against all. The Long Emergency is a very soft version of what’s really going to happen.

  415. asoka August 2, 2009 at 5:55 pm #

    Dr. Doom said: “As far as I know, there is much content to Wikipedia…”
    Yeah, Wikipedia is like a sustainable free lunch… except you don’t know who the cooks are, anyone can create a food dish, and anyone can spit into anybody else’s food at any minute.
    For example, I can go into Wikipedia and create an entry showing the sustainability of biofuel production from microalgae.
    I can also go into anyone else’s Wikipedia entry and change their entries to show sustainability via cyanobacteria (bacteria which have proved themselves sustainable for billions of years without PNK inputs from petroleum).
    Consider the reliability of Wikipedia: Asoka can create articles there. Asoka can edit anyone else’s articles there (and I have!).
    Do you trust content generated by Asoka in Wikipedia?
    Now consider one more fact: anyone can contribute to and edit anyone else’s work in Wikipedia. Yet it is all anonymous with pseudonyms. Asoka may actually be mucking around in Wikipedia using a pseudonym?
    Do you trust content created by Asoka using a pseudonym?
    In Wikipedia there is no way of knowing whether the person who edits an article is a well-read second grader, an illiterate idiot, a Ph.D., or, indeed, whether the person has any education or subject expertise whatsoever.
    One final point. Any serious researcher (beyond primary school level) would never cite a general encyclopedia… any general encyclopedia… (and Wikipedia claims to be an open source general encyclopedia).
    Researchers not familiar with an area might start with a subject encyclopedia to get an overview or to find primary sources, to find original research and primary theorists in an area, in order to continue doing serious research.
    But nobody should cite an open source general encyclopedia as a source of serious information. General encyclopedias scratch the surface.
    What can and should be cited are monographs and peer-reviewed journal articles… not anonymously created Web pages, not Wikipedia entries.
    Catch you later, Dr. Doom.
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  416. asoka August 2, 2009 at 6:03 pm #

    JS said: “The Long Emergency is a very soft version of what’s really going to happen.”
    Now you have become a soothsayer, too?
    You have a crystal ball?
    What proof do you have that things are not going to get better and better?
    What proof do you have that in three years whites and blacks will not have worked out an understanding of one another and will want to live together, marry one another, love one another, and produce many more beautifully-skinned offspring?

  417. asoka August 2, 2009 at 10:25 pm #

    JS asks, somewhat rhetorically: “So what have Whites done, nothing right?”
    Actually whites have done a lot of things right (things like passing Voting Rights legislation) and most recently electing Obama president (he from a white family in Kansas).
    Soon whites will be putting a wise Latina on the Supreme Court.
    Things are going well.

  418. Jaego Scorzne August 2, 2009 at 11:00 pm #

    Are you some kind of Jekyll/Hyde split personality? You believe as do most Blacks, that Whites are vicious thieves. Why would Blacks want to associate with thieves? Of course, you’ll take our women, but that doesn’t mean you respect us-or them. No Ashoka, there can’t be peace because Blacks want things they haven’t earned and don’t deserve. There can’t be peace because Blacks don’t respect us and consider us criminals who deserve destruction.
    Optimism is an American Disease and you have a bad case. When the shit hits the fan, Blacks will riot and burn down the cities as they have done so many times. Has everyone forgotten the lesson of Katrina? Blacks sitting around in their own excrement waiting for Whites to help them. And when Whites came, they were shot at by gang bangers. Compare Black helplessness and rage with the dignity shown by the South and Southeast Asians following the Tsunami. Many thousands of White Americans and Europena Tourists were caught up in the whole thing. To my knowledge, there was not one robbery or assault against them. Instead the local people helped them along with their own.

  419. asoka August 2, 2009 at 11:54 pm #

    JS said: “There can’t be peace because Blacks don’t respect us and consider us criminals who deserve destruction.”
    Paranoid personality disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis characterized by paranoia characterized by a pervasive and long-standing suspiciousness and generalized mistrust of others. (DSM-IV)

  420. Kiwi Nick August 4, 2009 at 5:31 am #

    1 in 3 in AUSTRALIA is an immigrant…usually from asia

    Yes, it is about 1:3, but the highest immigrant proportion is actually from the UK.
    Of course places like Cabramatta are strongly Vietnamese/Cambodian, and places like Bondi are chock full of Kiwis ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_(people) ) and a few Russians.
    Of course you don’t “see” Kiwis and Brits because they look no different to most Aussies.

  421. QUINTERO August 6, 2009 at 4:16 pm #

    if you are in UK or down under
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  422. Kiwi Nick August 10, 2009 at 10:01 am #

    Hi Quintero,
    Economy in Australia has faltered, but not badly. The thing is that it’s being propped up by the First Home Owners’ Grant, and that’s keeping the low end of the real-estate market up.
    This has been running several years, but the money will end (so we think) in June 2010. Like the Cash4Clunkers scheme, I think it’s a fallacy.
    Certain pundits are warning that those who benefit from the First Home money will be very badly burned, and I think things are gonna get rough just before June 2010.
    At the top end of the real-estate market, they’re saying that the banks could foreclose 200 properties in&around Toorak today, but they choose not to. The share market is down about 33%. People aren’t taking holidays.
    The economy in the UK is pretty rooted, especially in the cities where the “Old Money” isn’t there to keep things going.
    The economy in NZ is about the same as Australia, but more volatile (it’s always been that way).

  423. PeteD August 12, 2009 at 4:32 am #

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