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They say he has beheld the weenies of the field and found them wanting — no, dangerously feeble, limp, insipid, deluded unto a kind of hebephrenia — and now, just maybe, Michael “Mike” Bloomberg will don the old steel breastplate and Kevlar jockstrap, take up the lance, and sally forth in a Lincoln Navigator to slay the Golden Golem of Greatness stalking the land… the last Great Hope of the Boomer Gen! That’s the scuttlebutt, anyway, or maybe more like a fevered dream of the restive elites stewing in their private equity aeries amid all this bothersome talk of wealth confiscation far out in the primary state flyover thickets.

Here’s what is generally misunderstood about Michael Bloomberg’s mayoral career in New York City. He did not so much manage or personally direct the fabulous post-9/11 revival of Manhattan and Brooklyn, the renovation of all those skeezy neighborhoods, the construction orgy of so many gleaming new apartment towers, the wondrous buff-up of Olmstead’s green gem, Central Park, the cleanup of the disgusting precinct around Times Square, and the defeat of common street crime — palpable improvements for sure — as he presided over the financialization of the economy run from those elite aeries on Wall Street, to the prodigious advantage of Old Gotham as all the assets stripped from the sclerotic industrial USA outlands got converted, abracadabra, into an infinity of digital dollar credits on the Too Big To Fail bank balance sheets, of which the revival of New York City was a mere byproduct. And so, Mike Bloomberg is now called to defend the empire of money under grave threat from these yipping midgets of socialist Jacobinism come to infest the Democratic Party. Or something like that. (Isn’t it all about narratives these days?)

People seem to forget that Mike was a Republican when he presided over all that glory, but let’s face it, maybe what the other party really needs is a less democratic approach to the situation at hand: the epochal inequality of wealth and the sickening twilight of the long “American century,” and all its usufructs.

Of course, at 77, Mike also represents the arch-hobgoblin of Wokesterism, the religion of the neo-Jacobins, namely, old white men — the horror and effrontery! The ultimate slap-in-the-face to all those roistering trans-humans on campus, the lame, the halt, the mis-gendered, the perpetually victimized, the intersectionally oppressed, the over-phoned! Will they stand for this billionaire ringer being sent into combat by all those top-hatted, silk-stockinged villains of Capital? More precisely, will Bernie call “foul,” as he kind of failed to do in 2016 after Hillary’s DNC stooges flooded-the-zone and drowned him in super-delegates? Will Elizabeth Warren break out in a war dance? Will Hillary find a way to deliver 7.5 grams of lead to Mike’s medulla oblongata?

And how does Mike measure up against his old Boomer Gen fellow New Yorker and sometime adversary, Mr. Trump? For all of his gilded trappings, there’s no denying that Mr. Trump is beloved by what used to be known as the Salt of the Earth — more lately the “Deplorables” — despite the fact that the president may have actually never been on a New York Subway once in his well-padded life, while Mike was a renowned “strap-hanger” in his city hall glory days. The awful irony! Also, President DJT is almost never seen dressed in anything but that straightjacket of a business suit and tie, gold cufflinks and all, while Mike has often appeared in Hamptons casuals of perfectly distressed blue jeans, polo shirt, and Gucci loafers which, these days, is tantamount to hippie garb.

Mike’s most obvious selling point is that he appears to be what used to be known as “a normal person,” that is in speech, manner, and general comportment. But, normal to whom these days? Perhaps not to the WalMart shoppers moiling by the tens of thousands in those heartland arenas where Mr. Trump casts his magic spells of plain speech and surly manner, much beloved in these days of dastardly, confabulating lawyer-speak, gender studies crypto-metaphysical bullshit, and self-serving New York Times Ivy League ambiguation.

Speaking of which, what might Mike Bloomberg do about the impeachment circus led by the imbecile Adam Schiff that is liable to end in a farrago of humiliation so intense that all the Lawfare ninjas on God’s green earth will not avail to rescue the Democratic Party’s lost honor? Or, how will a Bloomberg campaign maneuver through the blizzard of indictments coming down against the former agents, servelings, chore-boys, foot-soldiers, and media sirens of Barack Obama’s runaway Deep State?


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  1. K-Dog November 8, 2019 at 10:11 am #

    Usufruct – he right to the use and profits of something belonging to another.

    Or for present purposes the right of billionaires to own the democratic political system of the nation. There same-old same-old. Expecting wealth and power to clean up the mess created by wealth and power.

    Problem is this is destroying the nation and that is not what a usufruct is supposed to do.

    • Zoltar November 8, 2019 at 10:43 am #

      K-dog
      “The same-old same-old. It is always something” gets my nomination for the most vapid entry ever offered by one of Jim’s readers on this site.

    • abbybwood November 8, 2019 at 3:48 pm #

      I see where Soros scooped a few more judges/prosecutors this past Tuesday.

      It is true. We are living in an oligarchy.

    • wwg1wga November 8, 2019 at 11:03 pm #

      Roseanne Roseannadanna would agree, junior AND JHK.
      youtu.be/9hYGtXIqDa0?t=187

      Q.

  2. izzy November 8, 2019 at 10:11 am #

    Is Jimmy Carter too old to jump in?
    A respectable Christian, and at least he’s hands-on with the housing problem.

    • volodya November 8, 2019 at 10:15 am #

      This is outside-the-box thinking.

    • PeteAtomic November 8, 2019 at 12:09 pm #

      ha ha! nice

      ..or maybe Al Gore..

    • Soloview November 8, 2019 at 12:28 pm #

      How can “Christian” be a description of someone respectable in the party of “The Squad”?

  3. RB November 8, 2019 at 10:14 am #

    WHAT THE USUFRUCT?????

    • K-Dog November 8, 2019 at 10:19 am #

      Toll lanes on our public roads is an example. The infection of East Coast immigrants exacerbating class differences. I watched in horror and disgust as their infection and car honking invaded Washington state. But from the popular point of view it is all good. Some of our honking also came from Beijing.

      • K-Dog November 8, 2019 at 10:24 am #

        People used top be too laid back to honk here. It was a rude invasion of someone else’s personal space. Like another CFB running for government.

        C is for Clueless and B is for Billionaire.

        Billionaires should not be running the country but I have five bucks that says such an enlightened notion will not spread far in America before hard collapse prevents any further advancement of civilization at all.

        • K-Dog November 9, 2019 at 6:09 am #

          Or to be fair the assholes come from SoCal, but they are not native, that’s for sure. The PNW has it’s own kind of asshole and they are on the quiet side.

    • Lars November 8, 2019 at 10:28 am #

      It means a person who has been used and fructed, e.g., the American public.

    • JustSaying November 8, 2019 at 11:45 am #

      Funny. It’s a great word.

  4. venuspluto67 November 8, 2019 at 10:15 am #

    One thing I’ve heard about NYC is that the precincts of it that are not elite enclaves are very greasy, grimy, and smelly. So even that achievement would appear somewhat questionable.

    • venuspluto67 November 8, 2019 at 10:16 am #

      By “that achievement”, I mean supposedly polishing and prettifying the Big Apple.

    • Nightowl November 8, 2019 at 10:29 am #

      It is and has been for as long as I can remember, generally, a disgusting city, and the inhabitants typically have a disposition that reflects this reality.

      Was there off and on, as I spent half my childhood on the East Coast.

      • snarkmatic9000 November 8, 2019 at 10:47 am #

        Only Asians are capable of running a city of that size in a hygienic and organized manner, viz: Tokyo, Seoul, Singapore… and one wouldn’t count India. Pakistan &c as Asian in that sense. That NYC functions at all is somewhat of a miracle. Daughter lived on the Upper West Side and Brooklyn Heights during the Bloomberg era, he was actually a fairly decent mayor, you could tell he enjoyed it.

        • venuspluto67 November 8, 2019 at 12:29 pm #

          I’m pretty sure that I wouldn’t want to live in a conurbation of more than a million people. Once the number gets significantly past that point, quality of life for anybody who isn’t very affluent just plummets.

          • Janos Skorenzy November 8, 2019 at 1:26 pm #

            But below that level, is there enough culture (drag shows and gay bars) to satisfy a man of your tastes and inclinations?

          • venuspluto67 November 11, 2019 at 9:48 am #

            My oh my, the assumptions you make. Actually, I probably wouldn’t want to live in a metropolitan area of less than half a million, because I get around on mass transit, and bus-service in cities smaller than that, at least in Wisconsin, is usually quite skimpy.

  5. James Kuehl November 8, 2019 at 10:20 am #

    Bloomberg’s normalcy would be refreshing much like Obama provided welcome relief from W’s embarrassing attempts to string two thoughts together. Now to somehow erase from my mind the image of the mayor in a Kevlar jousting outfit . . .

    • K-Dog November 8, 2019 at 10:29 am #

      That is going to be hard to do. The detail about the jockstrap made it so. I want it out too!

      • capt spaulding November 8, 2019 at 12:09 pm #

        I pictured the mayor dressed like Winnie the Pooh, & that bothers me quite a bit.

    • benr November 8, 2019 at 12:17 pm #

      You obviously never really paid attention to Obama he stuttered like an imbecile if not reading from his precious teleprompter.

      youtube.com/watch?v=iuxlHKQa9FA

      youtube.com/watch?v=7WsYSs-4nrQ

      youtube.com/watch?v=chACmEz6Yrg

      Yea so much for smooth guy sounds like porky pig.

      • benr November 8, 2019 at 12:18 pm #

        Mean while W was awful at public speaking from a teleprompter but mildly better when doing his version of Fireside chats.

      • abbybwood November 8, 2019 at 4:20 pm #

        Plus all the drone strikes on wedding parties in the ME (“oops!”) and the illegal spying on American citizens and the arrests of all the whistleblowers and lying about the ACA (he was for single payer before he was against it).

        Thankfully I was only suckered into voting for Obama once.

        Oh! Almost forgot how Obama decided torturing was okay. “We need to look forward and not back”.

        • sprawlcapital November 8, 2019 at 6:32 pm #

          Abby–Like you, I only voted for Whispering Barack Obama one time. That was once too many.

          Our criminal justice system would be an even worse mess if we applied the Obama Doctrine. A defense attorney could claim, “Yes the defendant committed murder, but that is in the past. We need to look forward, not backward.”

        • Nightowl November 10, 2019 at 4:06 am #

          Don’t forget his “moderate” Jihadis, who defintely were not, in any way shape or form, connected with ISIS.

      • sprawlcapital November 8, 2019 at 6:16 pm #

        What bothered me about his public speaking was his whispering, particulary his habit of whispering the last word of every sentence. Where did he acquire this stupid habit? Harvard? Yet he was said, by the media, to be one of our great public speakers.

      • EvelynV November 9, 2019 at 2:07 am #

        Pretty weak when you have to use doctored, fake video to try to sell a bottle of your horseshit. No doubt you were sincere in posting it because you apparently fell for it. Another example of what makes you the dullest knife in the kitchen.

        • benr November 11, 2019 at 9:02 am #

          ROTFLOL speaking of dull it was not doctored or fake it was a collection of his stuttering and bumbling!
          I watched his inability to put sentences together every time he was off his precious teleprompter.
          You are for sure a paid troll for the DNC and a piss poor one at that.

          Look more bumbling from your hero!

          youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU

      • ellipsis November 9, 2019 at 2:54 pm #

        No fan of Obama, but the only one of those videos that wasn’t obviously “enhanced” was the third one. Even so, point taken about his lack of polish as a public speaker. Which begs a greater question; given the demands of the job, how much polish as a public speaker should we even be looking for? Bill Clinton comes immediately to mind. A renowned master at public speaking (aka, bullshitting the marks), but an utter sellout in every other possible way. Fortunately, his despicable social ladder-climbing wife never inherited that gene or we’d all be checking our radiation counts daily.

      • Majella November 9, 2019 at 8:50 pm #

        Not the sort of ‘evidence’ you should offer Your buddy, Nightowl (if he ever calls you out on anything, benr.

  6. SW November 8, 2019 at 10:23 am #

    And add to this the fact that most Americans have never heard of Bloomberg (will probably confuse his name with the department store Bloomingdale’s) and Trump had high name recognition before he came down the escalator & declared war on Mexico. What does this man even think he has to offer the country? The self importance this announcement implies is staggering.

    • K-Dog November 8, 2019 at 10:27 am #

      It is the American way and insanity is also doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

      • capt spaulding November 8, 2019 at 12:12 pm #

        I’ve quoted that saying dozens of times, referring to people who reelect Republicans, after watching them drive us into the ground with their “cut taxes and de-regulate”, oh well.

      • ellipsis November 9, 2019 at 2:57 pm #

        In our defense, I think we no longer expect different results. At this point, we’re just rats trained to pull the same lever over and over again, regardless of what happens next. A different sort of insanity, but insanity all the same.

    • Nightowl November 8, 2019 at 10:32 am #

      Remember that since the widespread distribution of the television among the American populace, Americans tend to elect presidents based almost entirely on superficial criteria.

      Bloomberg has one advantage in that he is tall like Trump, but he is a gangly, goofy looking guy who does not project leadership qualities or masculinity.

      In short, he would get trounced.

      • K-Dog November 8, 2019 at 10:42 am #

        The right resources can suppress the gawky and gangly. The goof is a bit harder, but 53 billion can still do it. Add Cambridge-Analitica techniques and the brain death of non-critical exposures to selected imagery can be used to advantage.

        • Nightowl November 8, 2019 at 11:01 am #

          True. They Vaselined and color-adjusted the teevee pic when Hilldawg was on screen, so I am sure they have options that will suit Mr. Blütenberg.

          • capt spaulding November 8, 2019 at 12:16 pm #

            They should have Vaselined the public in preparation for the election of Donald.

      • Q. Shtik November 8, 2019 at 11:25 am #

        Bloomberg has one advantage in that he is tall like Trump – Nightowl

        =============

        Where’d you get this idea? He’s 5’8″ according to Google. Trump is 6’3″.

        • Janos Skorenzy November 8, 2019 at 12:20 pm #

          The same height as Hitler according to you. What’s your source for heights btw? How tall was Obama? Now if we could just get IQ’s listed in the same way….

          • Beryl of Oyl November 8, 2019 at 12:56 pm #

            Bloomberg isn’t a whole lot taller than I am, and I am decidedly short.

          • Q. Shtik November 8, 2019 at 1:09 pm #

            What’s your source for heights btw? – Janos

            ============

            This isn’t rocket surgery, Janos. Go to Google and enter “How tall is Michael Bloomberg” (or Adolph Hitler). Google says Hitler was 5’9″, btw.

            Napoleon and Mussolini were 5’7″. It seems short men have something to prove.

            Obama is 6’1″ (again, according to Google).

            Point of interest: Before Trump became President, Google said he was 6’2″. Shortly after his inauguration the Google entry inexplicably changed to 6’3″. Men tend to lie a lot about their height.

          • Janos Skorenzy November 8, 2019 at 1:23 pm #

            Good Q. Likewise, just google “transfer agreement” to learn about how Nazis and Zionists worked together to move Jews to Palestine. Or “Black Crime Statistics” to learn why Liberalism is crap.

            I’d say Obama is about 6’3″. Don’t believe everything you read, ok?

          • elysianfield November 8, 2019 at 1:30 pm #

            ” Men tend to lie a lot about their height.”

            …Yeah, especially when lying down….

          • EvelynV November 9, 2019 at 1:55 am #

            Trump not much of a man but he does lie a lot.

        • Nightowl November 8, 2019 at 1:32 pm #

          Interesting. I actually didn’t look this up. He always seems really tall on camera.

          I suppose they could give him a short stool to stand on, like they do with Rubio.

        • sunburstsoldier November 8, 2019 at 3:15 pm #

          Trump refers to Bloomberg as “little Michael” and says there is no one he’d rather run against…

          • Minnie Van Horne November 8, 2019 at 3:46 pm #

            Trump against Bloomberg would be an excellent contest, a cage match between a 73-year-old billionaire New York goy versus a 78-year-old billionaire New York Jew. Such a display of Diversity!

            By the way, I think our host JHK may be giving Mr. Bloomberg too much credit for the revitalization of New York City. The real heavy lifting took place in the 90s when Mayor Rudy Giuliani took over the helm, in the aftermath of the disastrous David Dinkins years. When Bloomberg ran, it was with the understanding that he would continue Rudy’s policies that had already shown themselves to be successful.

          • Nightowl November 8, 2019 at 6:06 pm #

            Minnie, you are right about Giuliani.

            I was more to the left in those days and no one I knew could stop complaining about how Rudy had “Disneyfied” Times Square.

            I always found it rather odd that so many of them considered porno theatres and heroin needles cultural enrichment.

          • BackRowHeckler November 8, 2019 at 6:29 pm #

            So we won’t be calling Bloomberg ‘Big Mike’?

            Michelle Obama will remain the only ‘Big Mike’ in DC.

      • abbybwood November 8, 2019 at 4:24 pm #

        Trump would play him like a cheap fiddle.

        Trump is probably already toying with different nicknames in his head:

        “Manly Mike” or “Blowhard Bloomberg”. Ha!!!

    • ellipsis November 9, 2019 at 7:01 am #

      A rich, technocratic, NYC Jew is not going to play well at all in flyover land. Granted, the governing philosophical differences between Trump and Bloomberg are probably not all that great, other than the fact that I’m sure Bloomy is totally down with Zionist world domination, but in terms of electability there’s no comparison at all. Bloomberg is more Hillary without the historical baggage.

  7. Frank November 8, 2019 at 10:27 am #

    There it is again James ‘the blizzard of indictments coming down against the former agents, servelings, chore-boys, foot-soldiers, and media sirens of Barack Obama’s runaway Deep State?’ What is going to happen when all these people are left off the hook? Have you thought about that? It would be intresting to hear. Frank

  8. Sacker of Cities November 8, 2019 at 10:30 am #

    Well Bloomberg does have being normal going for him but is that a negative or a positive any more in the Democratic Party? Tulsi Gabbard seems the most normal of all the current candidates and it does not seem to help her. The question is will Bloomberg carry the far left vote who would do anything to get rid of Trump or will their be a revolt for not getting their say.

    I have not read the new book out on Bloomberg but one story indicated that Bloomberg asked a woman who worked for him to get an abortion because he was worried her pregnancy would interfere in a deal he was involved in. Translation, go kill your unborn child so I can make a bunch more money. The Democratic Party appears to be dominated by women, I wonder how that story as well as others will go down with them. Personally, I find that story worse than anything said about Trump.

    Bloomberg was also responsible for police stopping and searching African American males for no cause. It did lower the crime rate in NYC but I wonder how that will go down with the African American wing of the Democratic Party.

    Lastly, Bloomberg wants to tax soda pop and take away people’s gun’s. It seems to exemplify a very authoritarian attitude which wants to control everything. I do not believe that will play well in the central United States. Just an opinion.

    Seems like he has a lot of negatives.

    • Sacker of Cities November 8, 2019 at 10:31 am #

      Sorry, I see I used their instead of there. Apologize.

      • sprawlcapital November 8, 2019 at 7:14 pm #

        S. of C.–

        Thanks for making that correction.

        Q.–

        this is not rocket surgery . . .

        You get the award for best mixed metaphor of the week.

        • Q. Shtik November 8, 2019 at 9:14 pm #

          You get the award for best mixed metaphor of the week. – sprawl

          ===========

          I cannot take credit. Someone else used it 6-12 mos ago and I thought it was pretty nifty. I lie in wait for opportunities to use it.

        • Majella November 9, 2019 at 3:52 am #

          …it’s not brain science, either.

      • EvelynV November 9, 2019 at 1:57 am #

        Why should *we* apologize? You’re the one who misused the word, you apologize.

        • Majella November 9, 2019 at 8:52 pm #

          Think that was probably a typo, for ‘apologies’ EvelynV…

    • K-Dog November 8, 2019 at 10:32 am #

      53 billion makes up for that. This is America.

      • Sacker of Cities November 8, 2019 at 10:35 am #

        Oh I forgot that, but probably more of a negative to members of the Democratic Party than a positive.

        • K-Dog November 8, 2019 at 10:46 am #

          The people who see something negative about 53 billion are few and far between. Besides which; the new Democratic Party is all about the worship of class differences and money despite claims to the contrary.

          • capt spaulding November 8, 2019 at 12:19 pm #

            All hail the Super Delegates. All delegates are equal, but the Super Delegates are more equal. I read that somewhere before.

          • K-Dog November 8, 2019 at 1:46 pm #

            Animal Farm?

    • Nightowl November 8, 2019 at 10:38 am #

      Tulsi is the best choice, but she is too much of an unpredictable quantity. And honestly, she doesn’t really have the force of personality to win. Since Americans don’t usually vote on policy, she would benefit from her looks, mil. service record, and the fact that she would be the first female president (which though a novelty, makes her electable).

      The best thing Trump ever did was start working out and get his hair more in line. He actually looks quite similar to his younger self these days, and, for most of the electorate, IMO, his hygiene habits were about the only real weakness he had as a candidate. He understands showmanship and rhetoric quite well.

      • Majella November 9, 2019 at 3:58 am #

        Trump has been working out? He must have undergone a transformational Damascene moment then. Either that or one of our scources is ‘fake news’:

        edition.cnn.com/2017/05/15/politics/donald-trump-exercise/index.html

        • ellipsis November 9, 2019 at 3:12 pm #

          Agreed. The best exercise Trump can do these days are horizontal pushups, pushing his prodigious girth away from the feeding table (assuming he even uses one), and jaw clenches, holding his feeding hole closed against the mighty urge to open it and inhale shit. In the days of old we had a two words for guys like Trump: fat slob.

          • Nightowl November 10, 2019 at 4:22 am #

            Pull a 2019 pic of him.

            His hair stylist could take things a tick farther on the back and sides, but he is looking pretty good these days.

          • Majella November 10, 2019 at 10:19 am #

            I did. You’re imagining it.

          • Nightowl November 10, 2019 at 3:45 pm #

            Check the date.

            I keep telling you not to post when emotional.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 8, 2019 at 12:24 pm #

      No cause? Except their destruction of the downtowns of every large city in America? You’re right: Not very constitutional. But that doesn’t change the fact that they don’t fit into our System and that the Constitution was written for Us, not them or anyone else either.

      Could Manhattan have had its little renaissance without these somewhat draconian measures against them? A counter-strike so to speak? Doubtful.

  9. fugeguy November 8, 2019 at 10:40 am #

    First this is a master at his craft-

    “the impeachment circus led by the imbecile Adam Schiff that is liable to end in a farrago of humiliation so intense that all the Lawfare ninjas on God’s green earth will not avail to rescue the Democratic Party’s lost honor?”

    Second Michael Bloomberg:

    108th Mayor of New York City

    In office
    January 1, 2002 – December 31, 2013

    Preceded by Rudy Giuliani
    Succeeded by Bill de Blasio

    Personal details
    Born Michael Rubens Bloomberg
    *February 14, 1942 (age 77)
    Brighton, Massachusetts, U.S.

    Political party Democratic (before 2001, 2018–present)
    *Independent (2007–2018)
    *Republican (2001–2007)

    Spouse(s) Susan Brown-Meyer
    (m. 1975; div. 1993)
    Domestic partner Diana Taylor (2000–present)
    Children 2, including Georgina
    Education Johns Hopkins University (BS)
    Harvard University (MBA)
    *Straight
    *white male
    *Net worth US$53 billion (November 2019)

    * so six strikes for the far left (out twice and done before he gets started)

    A veritable antifa anfw…

    • K-Dog November 8, 2019 at 10:47 am #

      ‘farrago’ — A good catch!

      • K-Dog November 8, 2019 at 10:49 am #

        He would be more attractive to Democrats if he were gay.

        • Sacker of Cities November 8, 2019 at 11:37 am #

          He switches back and forth between parties and independent. Maybe he can come out and say he has always been a switch hitter. That would probably increase his appeal.

          • K-Dog November 8, 2019 at 11:51 am #

            A man for all seasons, yes.

          • fugeguy November 8, 2019 at 1:20 pm #

            lol

    • Janos Skorenzy November 8, 2019 at 12:31 pm #

      Would be our first Jewish president. Does he identify as White, unlike for example, Mike Wallace and many others? This actually doesn’t matter since the White Elite don’t identify with the White race either. It would be hard to be more pro-Jewish than Donald Trump or countless other Republicans and Democrats. The growth of the Anti-Jewish Left and its influence on the Democratic Party is one of the most significant trends of our time. But it won’t do Whites any good since the same people are almost invariably anti-White.

      We don’t have any representation, seldom even at the most local level. The few who do are savagely opposed even at the level of small city councils. Everyone wants to virtue display against them, particularly demented hags.

      • abbybwood November 8, 2019 at 4:31 pm #

        According to some of Obama’s rich donors in Chicago, HE was our first Jewish president:

        google.com/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/1.5058415

        • hmuller November 8, 2019 at 10:51 pm #

          Apparently he was many things to many people: Christian, Muslim, Jew, White, Black, Gay, Straight, Bi, American-born, foreign born, secret cigarette smoker, a guy who spent $60,000 on “a hot dog party” in the White House. What you talking about, Podesta?

          Oh Barry, we never knew the real you!

  10. robert magill November 8, 2019 at 10:44 am #

    GENDAI-HAIKU

    Did McCarthy ken
    In ‘No Country For Old Men’,
    our Nation’s bad zen?

  11. Luhrenloup November 8, 2019 at 10:59 am #

    Mike Bloomberg was elected in NYC because he was not a politician and because of it, said inappropriate, needed and truthful things, but that changed once he learned the ropes. Then he became a nanny ruling on the size of jumbo soft drinks, and other irrelevant matters etc. Big mama was telling folks how to live.

    • Epicur November 8, 2019 at 11:29 am #

      Somewhere I have a link to a surreptitious recording of Mr. Bloomberg explaining that the aim of gun control was to keep firearms out of the hands of young black males. If he runs I bet it will show up more on the internet, but not on the MSM.

      • Janos Skorenzy November 8, 2019 at 12:37 pm #

        That’s a great line – great because true. No normal person likes to see Blacks at gun shows. And if you’ve never been to a gun show, you aren’t normal. You (calm down, I’m talking generically) better rectify that, pronto. Americans love guns! If you don’t, you ain’t. If you gots to ask, you don’t gets to know.

        • abbybwood November 8, 2019 at 4:36 pm #

          That reminds me…

          Saw a really cool concealed handgun holster the other day. The G3 Holster?

          Tucks down in your pants and you just pull the loop up and grab your gun. Actually very cool, if you are into that kinda thing, like Bloomberg’s security detail probably is. Ha.

          • stelmosfire November 8, 2019 at 7:39 pm #

            A Wood, That holster has been around for a while. I like your description though.
            “Tucks in yer pants. Pull the loop and grab yer gun!”
            Yea, That’s what I’m talkin’ ’bout! Sounds like a cheap shortcut to me.

          • hmuller November 8, 2019 at 10:46 pm #

            It’s all fun and games until someone shoots their pecker off.

    • Luhrenloup November 8, 2019 at 1:42 pm #

      Some soft drink delivery truck had a large sign on its back doors stating, or something to that effect, Keep your hands off our big cans. This was in Harlem.

      • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 10:53 am #

        There has been a concerted effort over the decades – by manufacturers – to increase portion sizes of everything, but especially junk food.

        The motivation is that the cost of the ingredients is minimal compared to the cost of labour. So you get more money by selling a larger product, without increasing labour costs by any significant amount.

        But it’s a matter of personal taste, obviously (I have no strong view either way), whether you want people to be free to ruin their children’s teeth to the max or to engage in a bit of nudge behaviour to discourage it. I’m told there are kids in the UK who need false teeth by the age of 10. It’s almost entirely down to grazing and fizzy drinks. And even those cartons of so-called pure orange juice.

        Orange juice is fine, but it should be consumed in quantities more related to an actual orange (which contains fibre, to boot). Otherwise they’re still drinking too much sugar.

        • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 2:02 pm #

          Meant producers rather than manufacturers!

        • ellipsis November 9, 2019 at 3:23 pm #

          Actually, orange juice and other concentrated fruit juices are not fine. They’re concentrated sources of highly acidic sugar that are only offset by the fact that they’re “natural” and usually high in Vitamin C (ascorbic acid). “Natural” is meaningless marketing term to target rubes, and if you feel the need for more Vitamin C, you’re better off taking a supplement with none of the sugar and preferably buffered (acid neutralized) as well.

          • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 6:45 pm #

            I said it was fine if drunk in a quantity related to an orange, That would probably be a couple of teaspoons of supermarket orange juice, with water added. I never bought the stuff at all for my kids. They drank water. Maybe a carton of orange on Christmas Day!

          • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 6:46 pm #

            Even fizzy water is bad for their teeth.

          • Nightowl November 10, 2019 at 4:27 am #

            You could also get actual oranges and squeeze them. Or find a co-op that sells better quality juices.

            Here in Germany we buy almost everything from the local Obsthof. Expensive, but it is straight from the farm.

            Supplements are often not well-absorbed by the body and I would not rely on them entirely.

          • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 9:02 am #

            If you have a healthy diet you don’t need supplements at all.

            Squeezed oranges are fine, but why would you bother when you can just eat it and waste less of it? I did it from time to time when the kids were young, but what you got in the glass looked pathetically small unless you were lucky enough to get ‘juicing oranges’ and used rather a lot of them. My kids seemed well able to cope with an orange just cut up.

          • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 9:03 am #

            I’m sure you get better oranges, obviously 🙂

          • Nightowl November 10, 2019 at 3:46 pm #

            A healthy diet is not enough if you play sports or work out a lot.

            Supplements, particularly magnesium, are a must.

          • GreenAlba November 11, 2019 at 9:37 am #

            My sincere apologies – I was, bizarrely enough, thinking of ordinary people, who seem to have got by in years past, on just food, even when they were digging ditches.

          • Nightowl November 12, 2019 at 5:34 am #

            Ordinary people play sports.

        • Luhrenloup November 10, 2019 at 6:20 pm #

          Oh Alba, it’s a joke for heaven’s sake!

          • GreenAlba November 11, 2019 at 9:42 am #

            I know it was, Luhrenloup, I was just making a comment on the wider issue of massive portions, and of manufacturers selling people things like smoothies without saying what tiny amounts of them constitute an acceptable portion of what is a concentrated product.

            There was an excellent programme on here a few years ago called ‘The men who make us fat’, followed by ‘The men who make us thin’, which detailed, among other things, the tactics used by junk food producers in particular, to make people consume more than they should.

            Then there’s another bunch of them happy to empty the wallets of the unwary by ‘helping’ them to deal with the consequences.

    • elysianfield November 9, 2019 at 11:02 am #

      Presidential race,
      In Bloomberg’s case, as in Space,
      Nobody can hear you laugh….

      • elysianfield November 9, 2019 at 11:05 am #

        Presidential race,
        In Bloomberg’s case, as in Space,
        None can hear you laugh….

        Please don’t ask why I posted the first (failed) haiku attempt…

      • Luhrenloup November 10, 2019 at 12:51 pm #

        Mike Bloomberg has stated the most egregious things about women, over the top sexist and demeaning. How any woman would choose to interact with this guy just goes to show how much money corrupts. And then his gun statements surely are not going to help either. The gun stance will make a difference, but most democrat women will look the other way as they do with Biden’s inappropriate behavior with young girls.

  12. Q. Shtik November 8, 2019 at 11:42 am #

    Have your Dictionary and Thesaurus at the ready before delving into JHK’s latest essay. It’s a wonder of wordsmithing.

    • sunburstsoldier November 8, 2019 at 11:32 pm #

      I had to look up half the words…

    • ellipsis November 9, 2019 at 3:30 pm #

      I don’t know about any of that, but I definitely gathered that he’s no fan of Bloomberg. Can’t say that I am either. The dipshit reminds me of too many people I know already. Just another technocratic asshole.

    • EvelynV November 10, 2019 at 3:48 am #

      More like a wonder of sesquipedalism.

  13. Walter B November 8, 2019 at 11:49 am #

    So the “thinking” class has decided to destroy the Old White Man utilizing an Old White Man? Gee whiz Jim you are once again proven correct they don’t think at all do they?
    .

    • Janos Skorenzy November 8, 2019 at 12:39 pm #

      Al contraire, it makes perfect sense. The Billionaires stopped identifying with and caring about normal Whites a long time ago.

  14. hmuller November 8, 2019 at 11:51 am #

    Isn’t this the same Michael Bloomberg who as Mayor of NYC wanted to prevent adults from drinking oversized soda’s because ‘it was bad for them’.

    This putz is beyond the nanny state level and manifests the thinking of globalist totalitarians.

    • PeteAtomic November 8, 2019 at 12:01 pm #

      “This putz is beyond the nanny state level and manifests the thinking of globalist totalitarians.”

      well said. Maybe you’ve just answered my question in the post I just made, there. Bloomberg could get some traction as a ‘real leftist’ by proposing to ban certain foods. Meat, as a starter– to be replaced by people eating insects. That might be just the juice he needs to win over the extremists in the Democratic Party.

      • Janos Skorenzy November 8, 2019 at 12:43 pm #

        Greta says we need to eat bugs instead. No doubt PETA will soon be up in arms against that.

        The TSA doesn’t allow emotional support insects to be taken aboard. Does that mean people have tried to do so? Strange world!

        I found a little fly struggling in my cup of tea the other day. I rescued him with a piece of paper towel. He (I don’t know how it identified) stood there for awhile, drying off by rubbing his legs and whirring his wings. But after a while he was good to go.

        • Q. Shtik November 8, 2019 at 1:39 pm #

          But after a while he was good to go. – Janos

          ================

          And then you drank the rest of your cup of tea? ewww!

          • K-Dog November 8, 2019 at 1:57 pm #

            tea-pee

          • stelmosfire November 8, 2019 at 7:48 pm #

            Q, you jest. If you saw the yellow jackets, (they love the sweet juice), spiders, beetles, etc. we squash when we make the vino you would not drink the shit. Do you think that the industrial store bought juice, veggies, wine, etc. are any different. Not to mention the fruit fly larvae that take up residence in the primary fermenter. Consider the poor critters collateral damage.

          • Q. Shtik November 8, 2019 at 9:24 pm #

            If you saw the yellow jackets, (they love the sweet juice), spiders, beetles, etc. we squash when we make the vino – stelmosfire

            =============

            Well, OK but what if moments before the bug almost drowned in the tea Janos had seen him crawling around on a shiny fresh turd? What about that??

          • Majella November 8, 2019 at 10:10 pm #

            Q – they’re beetle larvae – meet the juju, Maori delicacy:
            m.youtube.com/watch?v=QNC2lnnBg_k

          • Majella November 8, 2019 at 10:13 pm #

            Sorry – huhu (danged autocorrect!) They have hint of coconut to them…

          • Majella November 8, 2019 at 10:14 pm #

            Oops again -that was for neon

          • hmuller November 8, 2019 at 10:44 pm #

            You should definitely serve insect larvae hors d’oeuvres at your next meeting of Ladies Who Loath Trump.

          • Majella November 8, 2019 at 11:47 pm #

            A revenge themed party! Perfect.

        • neon sky November 8, 2019 at 3:59 pm #

          Ever seen the white grubs that live under the bark of dead hardwood trees? In a dare to myself years ago I ate some. They’re delicious. A subtle combination of milk cream and honey. Greta has the right idea, though I doubt she’s tried white grubs herself. Maybe she was referring to dried grasshoppers, which sounds disgusting.

        • abbybwood November 8, 2019 at 4:39 pm #

          Greta: “How DARE you??!!”

          (I love saving insects! Especially the big gnats that get in my wine glass. Cute little critters!)

          • elysianfield November 9, 2019 at 11:08 am #

            Abby,
            You save them? You know that they would kill you given the opportunity and ability.

            Bugs have no politics.

        • hmuller November 8, 2019 at 6:34 pm #

          Talk about killing two birds – excuse me two moths – with one stone. We can press termites into delicious high protein burgers and stop the varmints adding their CO2 to the earth.

          iceagenow.info/termites-produce-co2-year-living-combined/

          “Scientists have calculated that termites alone produce ten times as much carbon dioxide as all the fossil fuels burned in the whole world in a year.

          Pound for pound, the weight of all the termites in the world is greater than the total weight of humans.

          • GreenAlba November 8, 2019 at 7:30 pm #

            I call plagiarism.

            kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/how-far-will-they-go/#comment-450396

            “Perhaps we should send the termites to Nightowl’s works canteen.”

            Where, you will remember, of course, an attempt was made to serve him bug burgers.

            BTW, regarding your nonsense about termite emissions, here’s a sensible source, not one from a bunch of dingbats expecting an ice age next week:

            www3.epa.gov/ttn/chief/ap42/ch14/final/c14s02.pdf

            14.2 Termites—Greenhouse Gases

            Estimates of the contribution to the global budget of CH4 from termites vary widely, from negligible up to 15 percent.”

            “Termite activity also results in the production of carbon dioxide (CO2). These CO2 emissions are part of the regular carbon cycle, and as such should not be included in a greenhouse gas emissions inventory.

            Oops.

          • GreenAlba November 8, 2019 at 7:31 pm #

            There really is no sensible alternative to going to sensible sources and not to dingbat-land.

          • hmuller November 8, 2019 at 8:47 pm #

            GA. I don’t think it’s plagiarism when you quote yourself. I repeated part of my comments entered late in the last thread because I think most people missed them.

            So I call “false accusation” on your call of plagiarism.

            People like you just can’t seem to admit that volcanoes, termites, and all sorts of natural agents put CO2 into the atmosphere. Saying these are “natural sources” and don’t count is pure bollocks (a favorite term of yours).

            If the CO2 chemically fits, you must acquit!

            .

          • GreenAlba November 8, 2019 at 9:06 pm #

            I meant the burger, hm, just the burger.

            But regarding the issue that matters, it doesn’t say ‘natural sources’ it says the ‘regular carbon cycle’. Cycle, hm… cycle.

            Look it up.

          • GreenAlba November 8, 2019 at 9:10 pm #

            Let me help you, hm. Burning fossil fuels that have been sequestering carbon for millions of years is not part of the regular carbon cycle. Termite activity is.

            It’s because burning fossil fuels that have been sequestering carbon for millions of year is NOT part of the regular carbon cycle that we have a problem.

            The key is the word ‘cycle’.

          • hmuller November 8, 2019 at 9:56 pm #

            So GA,

            Are you saying the CO2 put out by a termite is different than that produced by a burning lump of coal? And plants will happily eat the termite CO2, but not the coal CO2?

            I thought the CO2 is the same and indistinguishable, and the plant doesn’t know the difference. More CO2, more plant food, more plant growth.

            But I guess, I just don’t get it. How carbon that’s not part of the “regular carbon cycle” gets detected and shunned by all the self-respecting carbon eating plants. Sounds like a myth you people tell yourselves.

          • sunburstsoldier November 8, 2019 at 11:28 pm #

            I cannot imagine termite burgers being ‘delicious ‘…

          • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 10:21 am #

            “Are you saying the CO2 put out by a termite is different than that produced by a burning lump of coal? And plants will happily eat the termite CO2, but not the coal CO2?”

            I’m saying it’s accounted for within a regular time-frame – CO2 in – CO2 out. Homeostasis, if you like. Then burning fossil fuels comes along and the equilibrium is gone.

            For burning fossil fuels to be part of a ‘regular’ time-frame you’d need to have a cycle that lasted millions of years, which would be a bit pointless in terms of explaining anything relevant to the issue at hand or attempting to mitigate it (and I’m not even saying that’s possible – one issue at a time).

            It’s like comforting yourself by saying that in 5 million years the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere will have stabilised again so that it is once more no threat to human (and other) survival. It may be true but it just doesn’t matter within our time frame.

            “I thought the CO2 is the same and indistinguishable, and the plant doesn’t know the difference. More CO2, more plant food, more plant growth.”

            Correct (in that the plant doesn’t know the difference), but irrelevant to the issue at hand. Actually not entirely correct. People who quote the plant food meme generally don’t realise its limitations. It’s sloganised thinking, nothing more.

            skepticalscience.com/co2-is-plant-food-too-simple.html

            Skeptical Science is a much better source of information than I am, hm. It includes pretty much all common denier memes so is an educational treasure chest for those who started denying before they’d actually read anything. It’s not the be all and end all, it’s a start and it includes references. You can read the references.

          • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 10:28 am #

            “I cannot imagine termite burgers being ‘delicious ‘…”

            Me neither, sunburst. I will not be eating termites, or crickets, or meal worms – or any other of those creatures that can be either grilled or ground down into burger dust. But I do realise it’s all good protein, harms no-one and feeds people when the issue is fuel and not a cordon bleu experience.

            The earth cannot support 7 billion people following the Atkins diet. Or Costco encouraging us to wipe our collective arse on the remaining boreal forests. What we do about those facts – if we do anything about them, is anybody’s guess at this stage.

            I imagine the sharp elbowed will get the prime beef and the soft toilet paper no matter what I think.

          • hmuller November 9, 2019 at 11:54 am #

            GA, you couldn’t force 7 billion people to get on the Atkin’s diet with whips and police dogs. So it’s a really silly straw man argument to say “The earth cannot support 7 billion people following the Atkins diet.” Few people have ever wanted to try that diet. I assume what you really mean is that common people should expect less meat in the future.

            You’re beginning to remind me of the proper British lady bureaucrat on the post-apocalyptic train “Snowpiercer” who thinks the unwashed lower class should be satisfied eating bars of pressed insects. They rebel and start moving forward in the train, finding nicer compartments for privileged people.
            youtube.com/watch?v=2JC1JjHRZA0&list=RDQMpAxkGk0kUWY&start_radio=1

            You are the spokesperson for the few controlling the many thru contrived scarcity. If the globalists at Tavistock aren’t already sending you a check; they should.

          • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 1:31 pm #

            hm

            “GA, you couldn’t force 7 billion people to get on the Atkin’s diet with whips and police dogs. So it’s a really silly straw man argument…”

            No, it’s just a bit of poetic license that most people would have understood as such..

            “Few people have ever wanted to try that diet. I assume what you really mean is that common people should expect less meat in the future.”

            I said nothing of the kind. What you/we/they choose to do about the issue isn’t in my hands – nor do I remotely want it to be. I’m just saying that overall the human population is consuming too much meat for our habitat to cope with. If you choose to cut down every remaining forest to make room for soya to feed beef cattle, I’m not arguing with you. I might as well send an essay to Bolsonaro, with kisses at the end.

            I’m just saying we can’t continue doing it and still have a habitable planet. You can look for a solution or not bother – nothing to do with me.

            “You’re beginning to remind me of the proper British lady bureaucrat on the post-apocalyptic train “Snowpiercer” who thinks the unwashed lower class should be satisfied eating bars of pressed insects. ….many thru contrived scarcity. If the globalists at Tavistock aren’t already sending you a check; they should.”

            That’s because you read what you want me to have said rather than what I’ve said. Since your argument is a straw man I’m not bothering to listen to your clip. Sorry. I’m not forcing anyone to do anything or saying what the lower classes or anyone else should do – I’m just sitting in front of my computer pointing out that our habitat has limits if we want it to remain liveable. But you already know that.

            Convert the argument to oil if you like. It doesn’t matter how much umbrage you take at the idea of the ‘common man’ not getting all the ‘gas’ he wants forever, he isn’t going to get it. End of. Eventually the 1% won’t get it either.

          • hmuller November 9, 2019 at 3:04 pm #

            GA, I can usually measure how pissed off you are at me by measuring your remarks in column inches. Glad to see you were only slightly offended. LOL That woman in the clip you won’t watch even has a Scottish accent, i think.

          • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 6:53 pm #

            I’m not at all pissed off with you, hm. I am entirely detached from what I write on here. The hand, having writ, moves on, and makes a cup of tea. My cool-down period is about three seconds – always has been.

            You are a very angry man. I’m sorry about that, but I’m not going to add to the sum of human ignorance by pretending that 40 years of science is all wrong just because you want it to be.

            You are quite right that some people will use the science to further their own aims and that some people who talk the loudest (the di Caprio types) are huge hypocrites.

            But what I read on here is like people denying physics because someone used it to make an atomic bomb.

        • malthuss November 8, 2019 at 7:40 pm #

          Long ago, at You tube, I saw a clip about a cricket factory.

          Someone posted, [not I] ‘this jew wants us to eat bugs.’

          I searched but could not find that particular talk. I figure yd like to see it.

          I did learn that crickets, when kept in large numbers, confined, STINK.

          • hmuller November 10, 2019 at 10:38 am #

            Why would a cricket factory exist? Are they raising fish bait, cattle feed protein supplement, or something to put into Big Macs?

            Jews prefer locust and wild honey. At least John the Baptist did; but he was a little odd.

          • benr November 11, 2019 at 9:09 am #

            @hmuller

            Crickets are big business for the pet industry and fishing.

    • Beryl of Oyl November 8, 2019 at 12:47 pm #

      His rationale was that people in his neighborhood weren’t fat, and they didn’t drink soda, therefore soda caused obesity and it was his job to do something about it.

  15. JustSaying November 8, 2019 at 11:54 am #

    The DEMs are really in a quandary. Bloomberg just muddies the water even more.

    • Luhrenloup November 8, 2019 at 1:55 pm #

      They will jump on his bandwagon once they get used to the idea. He’s well-spoken, doesn’t have baggage like accepting bribes, and being a nanny he will absolutely revel in all the nutty things democrats believe to be just, fair, accommodating, and so forth, and he will not promise health care, free college, reparations, which will appease his buds on Wall Street. If anybody influences the outcome of elections, it is surely them.

    • BackRowHeckler November 8, 2019 at 3:09 pm #

      What we need is a good 3rd Party Candidate.

      Who is the ‘Bull Moose Party’ candidate this time around?

      • messianicdruid November 8, 2019 at 6:06 pm #

        Trump, after he gets removed from office? Then he can go another eight years.

  16. PeteAtomic November 8, 2019 at 11:58 am #

    Bloomberg is much too much 1996 to win today. The contemporary Democrat Party is much too much run by cultural Marxists who despise free markets & free thought, and see the US Constitution as nothing but old paper written by some old white guys.

    So, unless Bloomberg wants to actually get further to the left wing then Warren & Sanders already are– which would be more nationalization of more parts of the economy other then health care– I don’t see enough support for him in the primaries for him to get anywhere.

    • abbybwood November 8, 2019 at 4:42 pm #

      I thought it was George W. Bush who said, “The Constitution is just a goddamned piece of paper!”?

  17. 100th Avatar November 8, 2019 at 12:36 pm #

    Giuliani did all the heavy lifting.
    He cleaned up Times Square.

    Bloomberg uh, rerouted Times Square traffic and granted himself a term limit extension, outlawed big gulps, supported curtailed death benefits to 9/11 first responders, gave his buddies at Goldman Sachs a tax free deal, record homelessness, the tax subsidized development to developer friends and ensured the city would be a playground to the uberwealthy through taxes, tolls, rents, and price.

    • BackRowHeckler November 8, 2019 at 1:05 pm #

      Still better than the current mayor, who ran on a ‘Get even with Whitey’ and ‘Hate the Police’ platform, and has stuck with that platform throughout his term in office.

      Brh

  18. Beryl of Oyl November 8, 2019 at 12:45 pm #

    It’s an open secret in NYC that Michael used some rude and crude language about women in public.
    That’s why it so galling, that Access Hollywood tape, or rather all the people who pretended to be so shocked and horrified by what Donald Trump is heard saying.

    If I knew what sort of language and behavior was considered normal and acceptable in certain circles, back in the 90s, so did Trump’s critics.
    Hillary was horrified? Yes, right, didn’t she visit Epstein’s Island herself?
    She certainly socialized with the guy.

    Speaking of Epstein, no, he didn’t kill himself.

    • elysianfield November 8, 2019 at 1:41 pm #

      “Speaking of Epstein, no, he didn’t kill himself.”

      Beryl,
      There are those that say he might not even be dead. Of this I have read on the “Internets”….

      They should bring out the body of Epstein, so that we may know him….

      • K-Dog November 8, 2019 at 1:49 pm #

        I’ll pass. I don’t want to be ‘known’ by him. Dead or alive.

      • hmuller November 9, 2019 at 10:46 am #

        A micro-brewery near Fresno, California has printed on the bottom of their beer cans “Epstein Didn’t Kill Himself”. How long before they’re arrested for perpetrating a hate crime?

        wptv.com/news/epstein/epstein-didnt-kill-himself-printed-on-beer-cans-by-tactical-ops-brewing

        zerohedge.com/political/california-brewery-prints-epstein-didnt-kill-himself-bottom-its-cans

        I’m so crazy I suspect the ultimate purpose of so-called hate crimes legislation is to protect our ruling elite from gadflies who promote questioning, criticism, and exposure of their lies and corruption.

        Even that bastion of free speech (LOL) – GA’s beloved EU – is moving to censor hurtful words on social media.

        “The draft bill gives social media platforms 24 hours to remove “hateful content” or risk fines of up to 4% percent of their global revenue”. This was prompted by someone saying something unkind about a politician (oh, the horror), specifically “the Austrian politician Eva Glawischnig-Piesczek, chairman of Die Grünen (The Greens) party”

        Just trying to pronounce her name could be seen as a hate crime of mockery.

        zerohedge.com/geopolitical/court-justice-european-union-limits-free-speech

        Oh how we all want to live in a world where no one can say anything nasty about a politician. You listening, Majella? That includes you and your Trump obsession, too. No more hate and deliberate hurting! His tear stained pillow bears silent witness to how you’ve hurt him.

        • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 1:35 pm #

          “Even that bastion of free speech (LOL) – GA’s beloved EU – is moving to censor hurtful words on social media.”

          There you go again, despite me repeating on numerous occasions that I have no love whatever for the EU.

          I have a love of seeing people not lose their jobs, their homes and their health service.

          I guess that makes me a psycho, so what can you do?

          • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 1:36 pm #

            And I doubt Epstein killed himself too. And I think the royal family are covering up for the wanker prince. It would be nice if it toppled them, but it’s unlikely.

          • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 1:37 pm #

            “And I doubt Epstein killed himself too. ”

            But I don’t know.

          • hmuller November 9, 2019 at 3:15 pm #

            GA, you have this funny way of pretending you are not saying what you really are saying.

            “I’m not telling anyone what to do, but if you don’t do what I know is right, all of you and the planet will die. But do what you want; I don’t care.”

            I have no love for the EU, but if we leave there will be economic apocalypse. People sleeping in the streets, babies turned into sausages! But you do what you want. I would never tell you what to do”

            A lot of people had mothers who talked like that. We know the game. You are a hoot! LOL

          • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 7:12 pm #

            hm

            Let me try again. I don’t like many aspects of the EU. I would prefer a reformed EU. I would prefer if some of the later changes hadn’t happened. I would prefer it had remained more limited.

            BUT, having weighed up the pros and cons of what actually exists today and what is likely to exist once we have left, my conclusion is that there will be more poverty and suffering of various sorts once we’ve left than there is now. The pound has tanked already by 20%, I believe, which makes life harder for poor people. There are also factors related to both CO2 emissions and finite energy resources which inform my judgement. I have talked about these repeatedly.

            Jobs are at risk, but children are not going to be turned into sausages. You talk about straw men but you have a production line going in them.

            I have never advocated cancelling Brexit – never. I will not be voting for the Lib Dems who have made that their policy. But I am entitled to express my view that (a) the Leave campaign would not have won the vote if they’d been honest with the public and (b) the public will pay dearly for leaving the EU.

            If they’re all fine with that, then that’s great. But they weren’t asked to make a choice based on what Rees-Mogg is NOW saying, which is that it will take the UK 50 or 60 years to recover from Brexit. If you really think the vote would have been won with that on the side of a bus, then I can only stand in awe.

            Regarding the other never-ending issue, yet more straw men. You’ll start a fire and you’ve had enough of those already.

            I most certainly care. But I have no power and no wish to exercise any. Evidence, however, remains evidence.

          • hmuller November 10, 2019 at 10:23 am #

            Grinding babies into sausages was humorous hyperbole. I thought you might appreciate it. Ever hear of Jonathan Swift’s essay “A Modest Proposal”?

            I just had a thought. How exciting – drum roll please..
            If Swift had written about young children being read stories by men dressed as women – it would have been deemed even more ridiculous than “A Modest Proposal”.

        • Majella November 9, 2019 at 9:07 pm #

          Hm:
          ‘You listening, Majella? That includes you and your Trump obsession, too. No more hate and deliberate hurting! His tear stained pillow bears silent witness to how you’ve hurt him.’

          Oh, sure. The Bully-in-Chief requires YOUR protection? Let him know how deeply you care about the criticism from li’l ol‘ me and your staunch, one-eyed defence of His Right Honourable Clowness…you might get offered a job at the White House soon – there’s plenty of vacancies and more coming up each day.

          • hmuller November 10, 2019 at 10:07 am #

            Majella, I’m sorry if my tongue-in-cheek remarks were too subtle for you. I was defending your right, everyone’s right, to lambaste politicians. This EU policy of forbidding online criticism of politicians was what I opposed. Did you read my entire post?

          • hmuller November 10, 2019 at 10:11 am #

            And I even support your right to call the more sensible people here “dipshits” and to tell me plainly to “fuck off”.

            It may not reflect well on your manners; but I support your right to express the real you. And oh boy, are we seeing the real you! LOL

        • Nightowl November 10, 2019 at 4:36 am #

          Wrongspeech will not be tolerated.

    • abbybwood November 8, 2019 at 6:18 pm #

      But at least Trump said, “Women LET me grab them by their pussies!”

      And Epstein did not kill himself.

  19. RB November 8, 2019 at 1:10 pm #

    1. The president is irrelevant. Federal judges are.

    2. No politician cares about the citizens. Evidence? We still get robo calls, scam calls, calls, calls, calls.

    3. Government is useless in regulating. If it were, most drugs would not costs what they do. E.g. Epi-pens.

    4. For anyone in doubt about the government’s sense of justice, I offer two items. Asset seizure. And the poor slob in MI whose house was taken because he was short about 9 bucks on his property taxes.

    As for Mr. Bloomberg, I’m guessing he is a jew. If not, apologies. I have heard he is height challenged. Americans won’t tolerate a short president unless it is a woman and then looks will count.

    Lastly, who in the hell wants an old man or woman in charge of anything?

    • Q. Shtik November 8, 2019 at 1:57 pm #

      who in the hell wants an old man or woman in charge of anything? – RB

      =============

      Bloomberg will turn 79 about 3 weeks after his would be inauguration in 2021 and be nearly 83 at the end of his first term, never mind his second term.

    • abbybwood November 8, 2019 at 6:22 pm #

      Especially a SHORT one!!!

      Is this “heightism”?

      Maybe he has a Napoleonic complex?

      But just imagine a debate between the two billionaires Trump and Bloomberg!

      Would be billed like a WWF match!

      But it would all still be “a work”.

  20. sunburstsoldier November 8, 2019 at 1:38 pm #

    I haven’t been to New York for ages but I hear it’s falling apart. I also heard Whoopie Goldberg was chastising de Blaso for his bicycle lanes. She claimed he had ‘destroyed’ New York. I assume because they are causing traffic problems…

    • K-Dog November 8, 2019 at 1:53 pm #

      They cause traffic problems and then since they have useless barriers from the rest of the street (in Seattle they do) the pavement can’t be swept so it quickly fills with debris making the bike lanes good for growing corn but nothing else.

      • sunburstsoldier November 8, 2019 at 2:08 pm #

        Growing corn might not be such a bad idea…

      • Beryl of Oyl November 8, 2019 at 2:19 pm #

        We just got some totally unnecessary bike lanes where I live.
        Now I know why New Yorkers hate them.
        You have to cut into them sometimes, to enter driveways of businesses, and the buses stop in them, so it makes it unclear what is a turning lane, what is the traffic lane as opposed to the bike lane, etc., especially at night.
        Anything that causes so much confusion as to where you are actually meant to be on the road decreases safety.

        • ellipsis November 8, 2019 at 3:17 pm #

          Hear hear! They’re a hazard for both cyclists and motorists alike, especially at rush hours.

        • abbybwood November 8, 2019 at 6:26 pm #

          Same crap on the Westside in Los Angeles.

          People are pissed.

          Council member Mike Bonin is DONE. Same for Garcetti. I predict a Republican mayor will be coming to fix everything before the Olympics.

          • sunburstsoldier November 8, 2019 at 11:24 pm #

            You’re in L.A. Huh. I used to live there, not too far from Santa Monica beach….how’s the smog on the Westside?

        • Nightowl November 10, 2019 at 4:48 am #

          I would disagree. Bike lanes work pretty well here in Germany. Up until I moved out of the big city last year, I commuted year round on my road bike, and lanes improved safety for everyone.

          The key to making them work is ensuring that everyone respects the rules.

          In Germany, the safety burden falls largely of operators of motor vehicles, and although there are idiot cyclists and pedestrians who abuse that aspect of the system, the law forces MV operators to slow down and be hyper-aware.

          Before I lived here, I used to bike to work in a major US city; the commute felt like a game of Russian Roulette, as American drivers do not respect “weaker” forms of transportation.

  21. sunburstsoldier November 8, 2019 at 2:10 pm #

    Can anyone explain what JHK is talking about here…

    “he ( Bloomberg) presided over the financialization of the economy run from those elite aeries on Wall Street, to the prodigious advantage of Old Gotham as all the assets stripped from the sclerotic industrial USA outlands got converted, abracadabra, into an infinity of digital dollar credits on the Too Big To Fail bank balance sheets, of which the revival of New York City was a mere byproduct.”

    • Beryl of Oyl November 8, 2019 at 2:14 pm #

      It’s kind of like, where did all the money come from, to transform a run-down city into the playground of the 1/10th of 1 percent.

    • volodya November 8, 2019 at 2:48 pm #

      He was the mayor of that particular coil of hell where the damnation of wide areas of the country was plotted and then enacted and the proceeds spent. 

      The revival was a mere by-product because, as sure as the day you were born, the intent was self-enrichment and not public good. 

    • Epicur November 8, 2019 at 8:48 pm #

      Generally, the “financialization of the economy” refers to converting the economy of the USA from one whose core was producing and trading tangible products to one based on producing and trading financial instruments.

      I agree with the premise that this has happened to the detriment of the broad spectrum of citizens, but not with the premise that Mr. Bloomberg “presided” over the process. Financialization of the US economy started long before Mr. Bloomberg was in any position to preside over anything, but he damn sure got himself a double helping of the “benefits” of the process.

      • sunburstsoldier November 8, 2019 at 11:19 pm #

        “Generally, the “financialization of the economy” refers to converting the economy of the USA from one whose core was producing and trading tangible products to one based on producing and trading financial instruments.”

        Thanks Epicur,

        I remember back in the late 80s when the financial services industry started to really take off. I tried it for awhile but didn’t like it. Too much Masters of the Universe b.s. I’d rather make furniture…

  22. volodya November 8, 2019 at 2:27 pm #

    Bloomberg would be a candidate of the status quo ante, before the Trump interregnum, wherein the duly elected President rudely informed the expert class more in deed than in word that this same expert class is astoundingly full of shit, but besides that bit of non-news, crapaciously mendacious, self-dealing, and given their near perfect record of fucking up most heinously, monumentally incompetent and not worth listening to. 

    Ask Andrew Bacevich what he thinks. In response to a ranking member of the Washington Swamp and a politburo officer of the Blob, that being Leon Panetta, telling the TV audience in a panel discussion that “we know how to do this”, Bacevich responded that no, with all due respect, we don’t know how to do this.

    I have to agree with Bacevich. Maybe the Russians know how, or the Kurds have some idea, or maybe Turkish gangsters and their retinue of cut-throats can figure it out, but woolly-minded American think-tank intellectuals, perfumed careerists at the State Department, the ambassadorial class with those minty-fresh smiles, and deep-thinking Ivy League grads in general, are pretty much clueless and as useless as tits on a bull.

    And why? Because so convinced are they of their own brilliance that they won’t do any reality testing. Is their knowledge really knowledge? Do they know their onions? Not by the looks of it. Not by their results. Not remotely. 

    Seems to me that the page turned when Russians started to bomb the bejeesus out of ISIS positions. Diplomacy? Negotiation? Bullshit, what got the job done was brute force applied brutally with nary a thought for non-combatants. Collateral damage? Civilian dead? The more the better. At least that’s how it looked to me. Anyone know different?

    All this scorn goes double for those psychopaths running Wall Street which come more or less from the same places and exalted societal gene-pool. The money men of Noo Yawk lobbied for and created a self-detonating economic and financial structure that may have temporarily enriched them, but was so contrary to any elementary common sense that central bankers now spend their time sweating and desperately concocting improbable and illogical schemes to save Manhattan’s sorry backside. Forget it, it’s not save-able. Put your mind to something useful. Learn to grow lettuce. 

    Anyway, this is what Bloomberg represents. His way is passing because it has to. The people that created it will pass too and new people will take their place. 

    Don’t like the concept of manhood? Too toxic? There are others out there that aren’t so squeamish. Busy banning your own flag? Kiss your ass good-bye.

    Trump pointed the way and that way is controlled demolition. The alternative is uncontrolled collapse. America’s elites, the ones that Bloomberg represents, prefer the latter.

  23. sunburstsoldier November 8, 2019 at 2:54 pm #

    “Trump pointed the way and that way is controlled demolition.”

    what do you mean by ‘controlled demolition ‘ volodya?

    • volodya November 8, 2019 at 3:06 pm #

      In my view the globalized system of investment and trade is not working and it cannot be made to work. In off-shoring US industries to places like China and Mexico, American industries saved massively in wage costs. In moving those industries however, the former industrial middle class in America was financially ruined.

      This former middle class no longer has the income it formerly had because the jobs that replaced those breadwinner jobs generally pay a lot less. This former middle class is now severely indebted, the govts that formerly had a rich source of income tax revenues now has a lot less and it too is drowning in debt.

      Controlled demolition in this sense: the only way I can see that the system is re-balanced to sustainability is for workers in places like China and Mexico to be paid to buy the products they make, and for American workers to be paid to make the products they buy.

      That would mean a whole lot less money for people at the top of the income pyramid and a drastic restructuring of trade and investment flows. Controlled demolition because a great deal in the current dispensation would have to be dismantled. But then it would have to be rebuilt, but rebuilt so that it works and it lasts.

    • volodya November 8, 2019 at 3:15 pm #

      There is also a great deal in the realm of foreign affairs that is unworkable. The US no longer has the economic capacity to maintain a gigantic, globe spanning military. A lot of what the US military was expected to do, that is to do for people overseas what those overseas people are unwilling to do for themselves like defend their own countries, can no longer go on. This means a pull-back and shutting down of overseas bases and overseas commitments.

      For example, their is no earthly reason that European countries need US protection from Russia. None. Germany, France, Poland etc have the necessary economic basis and population to do the job themselves. There is also no reason for the US to be in Korea. South Korea has twice the population of the North and its economy is many times larger. The South will have to find its man-pants and deal with the North, and find alliances with other countries in the neighborhood that have also got more than enough ability to fend off China and North Korea.

      These are just two examples.

      • sunburstsoldier November 8, 2019 at 3:46 pm #

        Thanks volodya! I need time to digest this. Still a bit over my head…

      • K-Dog November 8, 2019 at 9:00 pm #

        And the point of you making 100% sense is what?

        Power is going to do what power does. Preserve existing arrangements and prevent new ones from being formed.

      • elysianfield November 9, 2019 at 11:49 am #

        ” The US no longer has the economic capacity to maintain a gigantic, globe spanning military.”

        Volodya,
        Well, yes and no. Remember when Paul Krugman opined that the debt does not matter? In a sense, he was correct.

        What is money? No more than an instrument that people will accept as an exchange for…whatever. It can be fiat, gold, sea shells or large rocks.

        The US currency, which has long forgiven the canard that people are buying bonds and thus generating the debt, is currently just being printed in what the IRS would claim is not an “arm length transaction”…the government is on both sides…so, it is, in a sense, unrestricted printing. But so what?

        The key is that people are still accepting the dollar. Why? The United States Marine Corps*, among other branches of the military, are deployed to maintain the current system of dollar hegemony…the petro dollar, in effect. As long as the rest of the world finds it…”convenient” to use the dollar, keep the printing presses (and the good-times) rolling. The military will get every dollar it needs…and more.

        So long as the US dollar maintains it’s exalted position of “Reserve Currency”…the wheels of our society will keep rolling.

        At this point in time…the debt REALLY doesn’t matter.

        Soon, and maybe very soon, things might change…the godless Rooskies and Chinese are making inroads.

        * Celebrate the birthday, tomorrow, November 10, the USMC’s birthday…hoist one for the Corps….

        • elysianfield November 9, 2019 at 11:53 am #

          And a post-script…

          It was Richard Millhouse Nixon that had the brilliant foresight to align Saudi Arabia with our interests. He gave us the last 50 years of prosperity. I do mourn his passing, even to this day.

          • volodya November 9, 2019 at 12:48 pm #

            Only Nixon could go to China. There’s something in what LBJ said, that you’d rather have people inside the tent pissing out. And, to Nixon’s credit, it was in his admin, if I remember right, that they formed the EPA. And he got the US out of Vietnam.

        • volodya November 9, 2019 at 12:38 pm #

          So long as the US dollar maintains it’s exalted position of “Reserve Currency”…the wheels of our society will keep rolling.

          At this point in time…the debt REALLY doesn’t matter.

          Soon, and maybe very soon, things might change…the godless Rooskies and Chinese are making inroads. EF,

          Essentially what you’re saying is that there’s a willing suspension of disbelief, that people willingly buy into the scam, because it’s just easier that way. And you have a point.

          We’re seeing the practical results of this incontinent money printing, asset bubbles all over, in places like real estate markets in Canada, plus US run stock exchanges bubbling furiously as those excess dollars are laundered and re-cycled.

          How this ends is how these things generally end. What this amounts to is a forcible suppression of interest rates with a consequent exuberant disregard of risk with governments not just in the US joining the debt party because interest rates are low. My crystal ball tells me that the hoe-down we had in 2008 was just a dress rehearsal for the coming event.

          This can crack up a multitude of ways, DBank in Germany being one, but restive powers like China and Russia being others, either by design or misadventure. Damn those foreigners.

          • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 10:19 am #

            “…with a consequent exuberant disregard of risk with governments not just in the US joining the debt party because interest rates are low. ”

            I see you’ve been eavesdropping on the UK election campaign promises, volodya. “This is the time to borrow to invest in infrastructure” can be heard from political rooftops everywhere.

            Go, Global Britain. (Let’s redo Darien!). Invest in infrastructure when your currency has already tanked by 20%. Magic. Literally.

            Still an’ all, I believe the UK is one of the EU countries that pays its way in terms of your defence umbrella, and we paid back every penny of the Marshall loans, but we should indeed defend ourselves against all comers with that one aircraft carrier or whatever we’ve got. Maybe we share one with France, too, I’ve forgotten. Our imagined status on the world stage demands it.

            Still we’ll be able to buy some new ones with that £350m from the side of the bus. What’s that you say? It’s already been promised to the NHS, and the farmers, and the medical researchers, and the fishemen, and the car workers?

            Oh gawd. Porridge and turnips then.

  24. ellipsis November 8, 2019 at 3:15 pm #

    and now, just maybe, Michael “Mike” Bloomberg will don the old steel breastplate and Kevlar jockstrap, take up the lance, and sally forth in a Lincoln Navigator to slay the Golden Golem of Greatness stalking the land…

    LOL! So I guess you could say he’s an old Kunstler fan following Jim’s manyfold admonitions to “gird his loins.”

  25. BackRowHeckler November 8, 2019 at 3:17 pm #

    If Mike Bloomberg doesn’t get the Dem nomination, and I think he is a longshot, can he run as a candidate from the ‘Bull Moose’ party?

    A 3rd party candidate, throwing a monkey wrench into the works.

    Bloomberg would draw votes from both camps IMHO.

    It might end like 1860 or 1912 presidential elections, each which saw 4 relatively viable candidates — the last man standing is the winner.

    Brh

    • sunburstsoldier November 8, 2019 at 3:43 pm #

      Aren’t 3rd party candidates just a waste of time and money? It seems to me the role they play is largely negative, which is to say they siphon money and votes away from the (Democrat or Republican) candidate who has the best shot at beating his/her (Democrat or Republican) opponent. So what is the benefit of, as you say, of “throwing a monkey wrench into the works”?

      • 100th Avatar November 8, 2019 at 4:40 pm #

        ?
        The biggest problem with the US political system is that it’s a 2 gang fight.

        It’s black or white
        In or out.
        It’s divisive.
        No nuance. No middle ground.

        Not to mention that they both agree on keeping it a 2 party system and will stop at no ends to keep it this way.

        No matter what inputs (politicians aka lawyers) you plug into a broken system, the result is going to be subpar.
        As it always is.

        Need to fix the system.
        Better yet, throw it away.

        As the robot surely will.

        Rokos Basilisk for 2020

        • sunburstsoldier November 8, 2019 at 6:05 pm #

          I agree in theory, but had I voted Libertarian or Green in the last election cycle as many ‘Never-Trumpers’ did, it would have been a vote for Hillary Clinton, who was way ahead of Trump in the polls. For me having Hillary and her husband back in the White House would have been a fate worse than death.

          • elysianfield November 9, 2019 at 11:55 am #

            “… a fate worse than death.”

            SBS,
            Well said…the Demon Sow would be our undoing.

      • cbeard November 8, 2019 at 5:43 pm #

        If there has ever been a need for a monkey wrench being hurled into any countries electoral process, then now is the time in America. It would need to be a real alternative and not some status quo politician wearing new stripes. That said, I think Trump will still be the monkey wrench.

    • K-Dog November 8, 2019 at 9:02 pm #

      Perhaps I should run as a member of the ‘Barking Dog’ party.

  26. BackRowHeckler November 8, 2019 at 3:38 pm #

    TR, out of office 4 years, decides to get in for the 1912 election.

    “My hat is in the ring. The fight is on and I am stripped to the buff.”

    And

    “I stand at armageddon, fighting for the lord”.

    In Milwaukee Roosevelt was shot by a would be assassin while giving a campaign speech, the .32 cal bullet partially stopped by a notepad in his breast pocket. Roosevelt continued on with his speech for 90 minutes, finishing it, while the bloodstain spread across his white shirt.

    Politics was bare knuckles back in the day, TR wasn’t looking for a ‘safe space’, while virtue signalling.

    Brh

    • sunburstsoldier November 8, 2019 at 3:44 pm #

      And to think that TR was actually a bit of an ‘egghead ‘…

    • GreenAlba November 8, 2019 at 8:19 pm #

      Bit of a bone to pick with you, brh. I normally consider that each thread should be sufficient unto itself, but I make an exception when your time-zone advantage allows you to indulge in character assassination at my expense.

      “GA apparently was a propagandist for Amnesty International. So in a way she was part of the media, or, worked very closely with it. Among other things, this might explain her hatred for the ‘Daily Mail’, and her love for ‘the Guardian’ — the West hating Guardian being more in line with her own lefty political leanings.”

      So, let’s just go through this pile of ignorance-layered manure. You can apologise later if you like, but my expectations are low.

      I don’t care how much you don’t like my opinions, or how much you think the whole of the UK is as shitholey as your ancestors’ town that gave us the word ‘chav’ (not one I use, but still). Nor do I care that you choose to display your scientific ignorance on a regular basis – I’m more than happy for you to embarrass yourself.

      But I’m getting rather sick of your tedious personal vendetta – it seems to me the absence of the laydeez of your abode in more civilised climes isn’t doing much for your behaviour.

      Allow me to let you into a secret about how Amnesty International (as it was then named but is no longer) operated in the 90s, which is the period I was involved with it, for a very short number of years.

      Having added them at one time to my small list of monthly charitable donations, I received some time later an unsolicited handwritten invitation to join a local group. This came from a pair of 80-something Quakers whom we can call Peggy and Bill, that being their actual names. Now, I’m not a ‘joiner’ of things and prefer mostly to hide in corners, metaphorically speaking, but I was too polite to offend these nice people, so agreed to go with them. They picked me up once a week and took me to a meeting room in the back of an old church where I sat in a circle with a bunch of people twice my age, and listened to the ‘chairman’ outlining current cases that needed attention.

      The typical case would be an individual – more often a man, but certainly not always – who was incarcerated in the jail of a faraway country, where he was being held for entirely political reasons, e.g. he’d organised along with co-workers to resist being slowly poisoned by an employer; or maybe gone on a peaceful demonstration against an oppressive government – you know the kind of thing. Things we then-lefties got upset about in earlier decades. No prisoner would be ‘adopted’ who’d committed acts of violence.

      Now picture, say, John Bunyan sitting in his cell writing Pilgrim’s Progress, but with someone interrupting him on a daily basis, hanging him from some chains in an interrogation room, and beating the living shit out of him. Maybe also attaching electrodes to his genitals, or hanging him upside down and beating the soles of his feet to a pulp. And not letting him see his wife and family.

      What the group did was divvy up the cases and then write individual letters to politicians in the country concerned demanding an end to the individual’s torture, a fair and open trial – all the usual things you’d want yourself. They’d also write postcards to the prisoner himself to let him know he wasn’t forgotten (one Amnesty symbol was a forget-me-not). Released prisoners would routinely say how much it helped keep up their spirits to get these messages telling they weren’t forgotten. Because forgotten was what their jailers wanted them to be. And they didn’t like the publicity of the letters they received either. So it worked, pretty often.

      That’s what I did, for a few brief years, as a member of an Amnesty group. Many of those old grey-haired people I sat with wrote their letters by hand and took it damned seriously.

      Now, you ignoramus, you can explain to me exactly where you got your information for the assertions in your first two sentences.

      Then you can apologise or fuck right off.

      • BackRowHeckler November 8, 2019 at 8:42 pm #

        Saying that you like the Guardian and hate Daily Mail is character assassination? GA, you need to develope a better sense of humor.

        I think you’re taking this comments section a little to seriously. Lighten up for God’s sake.

        Brh

        • GreenAlba November 8, 2019 at 8:55 pm #

          Forget that bit, I’m talking about YOUR FIRST TWO SENTENCES, muttonhead. As if you didn’t know.

          My sense of humour has taken a bit of a dive as a result of your recent endless personal shit. Combined with the lies of the toad-in-chief.

          Having also been called a reptile, whore and child abuser by your favourite dominatrix, I think I’m not the first person you should be telling to lighten up.

          Take the comments section a little to (sic) seriously? Funny. Not.

          Americans, eh, you just have to love ’em.

          • BackRowHeckler November 8, 2019 at 9:44 pm #

            GA, I’ve never called you any names that I can remember. That’s not my style. I’ve kept it light hearted, and respectful. You probably need a thicker skin if you want to mix it up with us Yanks, haha.

            It looks like world coal consumption is leveling off at 8 billion tons per year. But petroleum has topped 100 million bpd and is growing at a rate of 1.50% per year. A 125 million bpd is predicted for mid century, regardless of how many people get themselves arrested at ‘Fire Drill Friday’ protests in DC, NY and London.

            Brh

          • hmuller November 8, 2019 at 10:33 pm #

            Wikipedia has an interesting article on criticism of Amnesty International, (probably in deference to Israel which hates the organization). Also much of bile comes from governments with less than clean hands and the likes of Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld.

            As long as they don’t play ideological favorites, I don’t have a problem with Amnesty International. Do they defend white people locked up and harassed for speaking unfavorably about 3rd world migration and the loss of European identity and culture? Now that, I’d love to see.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Amnesty_International

          • Majella November 9, 2019 at 12:10 am #

            brh – what a lily-livered non-response, followed by the usual ‘there’s no climate change’ trope. You really are a low-life shill.

          • Majella November 9, 2019 at 1:30 am #

            BRH – ‘ I keep it lighthearted’- you think? Yes, you can be quite jovial & frivolous but – hey! That attack on GA In the previous thread was just nasty, petty & small-minded.

            She has – with saint-like patience – borne really shitty name-calling & deliberate mid-interpretations of her stated positions by a whole cohort of you RWNJs. Her response has been logical deconstruction of the said bullshit, but none – to a ‘man’ (I use the ‘’ ‘’ advisedly) Has any of these alpha male paragon of White virtue ever acknowledged their egregious behaviour? Not on your Nellie.

            When you were called out on it, all you could manage was a weasel-worded defection..heaven forfend that you might have a reflective moment and figure out you’d been a complete arsehole and apologize. Not in the least bit likely. No surprises, there.

          • hmuller November 9, 2019 at 8:56 am #

            Why would we need to flagellate ourselves when we have harpies like you doing such a marvelous job – and with such gusto I might add.

            And for the record GA has engaged in ad hominem attacks, name calling, patronizing, satirizing, reviling, insulting, straw man arguments, evading a straight answer, and every dirty, disingenuous trick of sophistry in the book. So you two “saints” can scratch each other’s backs. I’m not buying it!

          • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2019 at 12:25 pm #

            They probably support cop killing trash like Mumia Abu Jamal and other non-White thugs and terrorists like Mandela.

          • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 3:26 pm #

            hm

            You seem to be doing it again.

            What Amnesty does in 2019 is nothing whatever to do with what I did in the 1990s and I have no need or wish to either defend or attack them. I am not involved with them now.

            If you have something to say relevant to brh’s quite forthright assertion that “GA apparently was a propagandist for Amnesty International. So in a way she was part of the media, or, worked very closely with it. then I can engage with whatever you have to say.

            brh made an entirely unfounded accusation, on the basis of nothing at all other than personal vindictiveness and wishful thinking. The specifics were offensive because of the contempt held around here for the mainsteam media, which he then dumped on me, without the slightest foundation.

            I don’t give a flying fig what the Guardian says either, since that seems to interest you overmuch too.

            I don’t understand your point about Amnesty’s current activities in the light of the issue in hand. I am not Amnesty, I do not work for them, and they can answer whatever criticisms are made about them themselves. They are nothing to do with me.

          • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 3:35 pm #

            brh

            “You probably need a thicker skin if you want to mix it up with us Yanks, haha.”

            My skin is fine, thank you. I think you’ll find my response to hm covers any response that I might have made to you.

            You made up some shit, again. Fine. As long as we’re all clear.

            I don’t hold grudges, btw, so once this is written it’s forgotten.

            You have been rather gratuitously unpleasant of late, but frankly I’m far more concerned that my greyhound has been hysterically trying to scrape her way through the kitchen lino, Shawshank-style, for yet another evening, to escape to the Antipodes because what used to be Guy Fawkes’ night has now become extended to a whole flippin’ fortnight from before Halloween until the weekend following 5 November.

            That’s what I’m bothered about tonight, not idiotic comments, but I don’t like people making up lies about me, as you should know by now.

          • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 3:43 pm #

            As for your other comment, perhaps you can name me any point at all on which I have not given you a straight answer and I will be happy to give you one.

            It may not fit a pattern or narrative that you’d like it to fit, because I don’t work according to a template.

            And I’m sorry you don’t like facts when they don’t fit your narrative – I can see that being presented with facts makes you very angry. That’s your problem, not mine.

            And I love satire, so tough. Get one of those thick skins brh is recommending.

          • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 3:45 pm #

            Sorry, that last one was meant for hmuller.

          • hmuller November 9, 2019 at 4:18 pm #

            GA. I’m the angry one? You seem to have blended brh’s remarks with mine regarding Amnesty International. I said nothing bad about them.

            I just wished rather whimsically at the end that they support the political prisoners and targeted individuals in so called free countries – like the USA, UK, Canada, Europe. I never criticized your involvement with Amnesty International; I have no grudge against the organization then or now, and expressed none.

            As for the rest, I was noting your many skills as a master debater. But I don’t intend to spend hours of research expanding on that theme with examples.

          • BackRowHeckler November 9, 2019 at 4:47 pm #

            Actually, GA, I thought I was being complimentary to you, recognizing your skills as a rhetoritician, which, I have to admit are formidable. And I can almost swear you did state in the past you worked in public relations for Amnesty International. Nothing wrong with that, AI no doubt does good work.

            Brh

          • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 7:24 pm #

            brh

            “And I can almost swear you did state in the past you worked in public relations for Amnesty International. Nothing wrong with that, AI no doubt does good work.”

            I said I was involved with an Amnesty group in the past – well in the past, as I have explained. I sat with a group of kindly and conscientious old biddies and old farts in a church hall and promised to write letters to people. People on here have a tendency to fantasise and to create caricatures.

            And I forgot to mention that I once agreed reluctantly to give a talk about what Amnesty did to a group of the Women’s Institute at my local church (yes, really). It was torture (no disrepect to Amnesty adoptees intended). There is nothing I make more effort to avoid than doing ANYTHING in front of other people. PR would not be my forte.

            Now let’s all pretend to be friends for a bit.

          • BackRowHeckler November 9, 2019 at 8:20 pm #

            Actually GA, we probably could be friends.

            I find you a very interesting person, one with a keen mind.

            brh

          • Majella November 9, 2019 at 9:17 pm #

            Hm:

            ‘I just wished rather whimsically at the end that they support the political prisoners and targeted individuals in so called free countries – like the USA, UK, Canada, Europe.’

            I’m sure if you care to name any single political prisoner in any of the four named nations, there’s a bunch of old people at a Presbyterian Church in Edinburgh who would gladly apply themselves.

          • Majella November 9, 2019 at 9:22 pm #

            Hm:

            ‘And for the record GA has engaged in ad hominem attacks, name calling, patronizing, satirizing, reviling, insulting, straw man arguments, evading a straight answer, and every dirty, disingenuous trick of sophistry in the book. So you two “saints” can scratch each other’s backs. I’m not buying it!’

            No, mate – *I* am not buying THAT piece of horseshit. You’ve described yourself, Janos, Marlin, benr and not a few others hereabouts to a tee.

            Methinks you are simply projecting, in the psychological sense. If not, go back a few threads and fine a SINGLE instance of ANY of those accusations. Otherwise, just fuck off.

      • BackRowHeckler November 8, 2019 at 8:51 pm #

        Incidentally, arctic air mass coming down over NE early next week, bringing the coldest Nov temps in many years.

        How do you explain it?

        Brh

        • GreenAlba November 8, 2019 at 8:56 pm #

          That’s one for third grade, dummy. Do your own feckin’ homework.

          • Majella November 9, 2019 at 12:15 am #

            Well put. The repeat of the WARMER THAN USUAL article temperature (by as much as 30 degrees C) causing the jet stream to dip deeply south is easy to google. In fact out now science commentator’ has been describing this very phenomenon week after week here, with reports on how the North Pole has been hovering around 0 Celsius lately. However, as it was still ‘freezing’ he couldn’t see the problem. Some research would have INFORMED him, but the narrative couldn’t possibly accommodate any facts.

          • BackRowHeckler November 9, 2019 at 7:01 am #

            Phew! I’m being ganged up on by ‘Women of the former British Empire’, and let me tell you, it’s not a pleasant experience!

            Now I know, the last time I was in Spain, why I saw those British men all over the place, searching for wives amongst those sun kissed Iberian and Basque beauties.

            Brh

          • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 3:53 pm #

            “I saw those British men all over the place, searching for wives amongst those sun kissed Iberian and Basque beauties.”

            There’s a lot of youth unemployment in Spain, so that might be quite fruitful just now, perhaps. Any port in a storm an’ all that. Three are quite a few British women over this way married to Spanish men, too – sunkissed hunks are always popular.

            Men who need a lapdog tend to look eastward, though.

          • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 3:56 pm #

            There, not three…

        • Majella November 9, 2019 at 1:15 am #

          With science, dipshit.

          • hmuller November 9, 2019 at 11:31 am #

            By the way, Majella, are you still claiming you’ve never insulted a person in this forum – just Trump?

          • Majella November 9, 2019 at 9:24 pm #

            Absolutely not, dip shit.

          • Majella November 9, 2019 at 9:26 pm #

            I’m finding it more and more easy to sling a few juicy ones at the pig-headed cohort in her. Quite satisfying actually.

          • hmuller November 10, 2019 at 11:02 am #

            And it gives us such a nice impression of “the juicy” you!

  27. BackRowHeckler November 8, 2019 at 3:52 pm #

    A few years ago distinguished professors from NYU, Columbia and Fordham signed a petition to have any monuments, memorials or statues of TR in NYC removed and destroyed, TR not being able to pass modern PC muster.

    Imperialist, racist, white supremacist, cis gendered … you get the picture, CFNers.

    Brh

    • sunburstsoldier November 8, 2019 at 4:41 pm #

      Would you say TR, who I believe was a populist, is the one President in our nation’s history who is most reminiscent of Trump?

      • BackRowHeckler November 8, 2019 at 5:03 pm #

        Nah, SBS

        That honor goes to Andy Jackson.

        Jackson’s attitude toward the rest of the world was, “I don’t care what you do, just don’t f##k with us”.

        Jackson was the most un PC we’ve ever had. He owned slaves. He said the Cherokee had to go, and meant it. He engaged in duels and shot people. He kicked the sh#t out of a rival who insulted his wife.

        Jackson once said of the Emperor of France I don’t care if he corn holes the Pope, but if he F#kks with me there’s gonna be trouble.

        A true American!

        Brh

      • EvelynV November 10, 2019 at 4:06 am #

        You cannot be serious asking that question. TR is probably the least trump-like of any President.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 8, 2019 at 4:57 pm #

      A few days ago Indians in Chile pulled down a statue of a famed Conquistador. The attack against the White Race and Western Civilization is a worldwide phenomena. We should driven these people out of America. Bearing the hatred of the Conquered for Centuries in no joke – a burden too great to bare. Get rid of them. Israel sealed its fate when it failed to drive all the Palestinians out. They had the hatred but lacked the courage with the whole world watching. Oh fatal error!

      • malthuss November 8, 2019 at 7:34 pm #

        You know culture is based in Human Nature and that is DNA, to a great degree.

        Mexicans were cannibals doing 20k at a time humans sacrificed, 500 years ago. yes?

        Yet Neil Young has a song about, ‘Cortez the Killer.’

      • malthuss November 8, 2019 at 8:28 pm #

        @Anonymous sez—

        “the English are also a big mix of origins”

        Originally, yes. Britons and Saxons and Danes/Vikings and Normans and a few Flemings.

        But having established that mix, when they did the detailed family tree of Kate Middleton, Prince William’s missus, I was amazed how English it was – couldn’t find any Welsh or Irish in there, a single Scot, and two French Protestant refugees ten generations back.

        (The Goldsmiths in her tree were Anglicans from Kent, five generations married in church.)

        wargs.com/royal/kate.html

        –Your thoughts, Mr Janos????

      • Majella November 9, 2019 at 12:22 am #

        Janos’ solution To the ‘problem’ of the original inhabitants of the Americas would have been to ‘Throw them out’ Where to, exactly?

        You should know there’s no such place as ‘away’ as in ‘throw it away’.

        The justified resentment of the ‘conquered’ doesn’t evaporate when the dispossession is complete.

        Your pseudo-intellectual bullshit is stinking to high heaven more and more each post.

      • K-Dog November 9, 2019 at 6:20 am #

        ‘Indians in Chile pulled down a statue of a famed Conquistador. The attack against the White Race and Western Civilization is a worldwide phenomena.’

        Careful there night-stalker. That sentence is a subtle betrayal of your alleged agenda and reveals who you really are. You know what is going on in Chile full well so you have to know that actually identifying white pride with the neo-liberal government clusterfuck in Chili would be a stupid and foolish thing to do for a true believer that is. Which of course you are not.

        You don’t want them nibbling the bait off the hook do you?

        • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2019 at 12:30 pm #

          I don’t know what you’re talking about I’m afraid. I’m White and I support White nations for White people. After all, Blacks and Yellows get to have their own nations, right? So what’s with the ethnic masochistic “virtue” display?

          Madiba called Whites who fled Black terror after the outbreak of “Peace”, “cowards”.

          Fuck Madiba. Long live Pinochet.

          • K-Dog November 10, 2019 at 11:31 pm #

            Long live Pinochet is mealy-mouthed. He’s dead Fred.

          • K-Dog November 10, 2019 at 11:33 pm #

            Not knowing what someone is talking about is an effective way to stay out of deep waters.

    • malthuss November 8, 2019 at 7:32 pm #

      FDR

      Prolonged the Depression.
      Brought in SS, to weaken the family.
      Confiscated gold [was that him?]
      War.
      Love Uncle Joe Stalin.

      FDR and Teddy. Tell me more.

      • Majella November 9, 2019 at 2:00 am #

        ‘Brought in SS, to weaken the family’

        What utter tripe. SS strengthens families. Are you in the usual age group here who qualifies -and collects – SS?

        You probably actually enjoy your socialism as long as it doesn’t LOOK LIKE socialism.

    • Majella November 9, 2019 at 1:57 am #

      Feeling triggered are we, brh?

      You said he was distinguished (so probably white) SIGNED a petition to blah blah blah…I gather from that this distinguished professor didn’t actually initiate said petition?

      So what’s your point? Why aren’t you calling out all the other white cis-gendered men who signed it?

      Actually, of more interest would be some information about the person who launched it…or did your ‘own research’ stop when you found a useful factoid to feed the RWNJ crowd?

  28. Pucker November 8, 2019 at 4:25 pm #

    Isn’t the #MeToo Movement sexual hysteria basically reconfigured Puritanism?

    Free Bill Cosby!

  29. Pucker November 8, 2019 at 4:30 pm #

    Sometimes, I wonder whether all of this Collapse “Doomerism” is, to a certain extent, a subconscious quasi-Religious attempt at Penance and Deliverance? A kind of Peak Oil Rapture?

  30. Pucker November 8, 2019 at 4:46 pm #

    Why is it that the idea of the “Rapture” never caught on in the American Black churches? Is this because the Rapture is taken from “The Book of Revelation”, which was formative to the KKK?

    Isn’t Deliverance to black people basically miscegenation with whites rather than having to wait for all of the Je…ws to “Find Jesus” and then Jesus comes down from Heaven to sort the wheat from the chaff and Rapture all of the “Good Shit” up to the Golden Trump Tower while leaving all of the “Shit” in the Bronx with AOC?

    Or, something like that….

    Spinoza was this Dutch Je…wish Geezer who went apostate every-which-a-way and defined the Universe to be the Mind-of-God? Didn’t Christianity start out rooted in the Aristotelian Natural Sciences equating the inquiry into the Natural Order with the Search for God? How did Orthodox Religion become so Dogmatic requiring the Elixir of Pure Science during the French Revolution? And how did the ostensible belief in Science today become so dogmatic and seemingly turn in on itself to resemble a reborn orthodox inquisition of dogmatic Political Correctness and #MeToo sexual hysteria? It’s all so damned confusing….

  31. Pucker November 8, 2019 at 5:08 pm #

    “Chaz 10” is always hanging around kids.

    Chasten Buttigieg
    @Chas10Buttigieg
    ·
    Nov 5
    Children (and other adults) watch and learn from our behaviors, both in person and online. What’re we modeling when it comes to online discourse? How’re we helping make this a safe, respectful, truthful (and fun!) place? What do our posts say about us?

    • Pucker November 8, 2019 at 5:12 pm #

      Do you know who else was always hanging around kids?

      Answer: Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein.

      • Pucker November 8, 2019 at 5:21 pm #

        And Michael Jackson….

      • malthuss November 8, 2019 at 8:38 pm #

        Biden the groper.
        Jimmy Comet, one of DCs rising stars.
        Check his photos…one of a baby labeled ‘ho tard’ and a few
        others as sick.

        Someone w inside information says the beltway folk are compromised, on camera.

        • hmuller November 9, 2019 at 9:13 am #

          That’s why they’re pushing the idea that computer graphics can create false film footage indistinguishable from real footage. Adam Schiff has already made such statements to cover his ass in advance. Does he look creepy and nervous to you?

          On June 04, 2019 The New York Times reported: “Russia Could Unleash Fake Videos During Election, Schiff Says”

          Of course, the NYT won’t let you actually read their material without paying for a subscription. But you can read #2 below for free.

          1) nytimes.com/2019/06/04/us/politics/russia-election-hacking.html

          2) SAG-AFTRA, Adam Schiff Express Alarm on ‘Deep Fake Technologies…
          May 6, 2019 – Members of SAG-AFTRA and Los Angeles Congressman Adam Schiff sounded alarms Monday about the proliferation of “deep fake” technologies — realistic digital
          forgeries including sex scenes. .variety.com/2019/digital/news/sag-aftra-adam-schiff-alarm-deep-fake-technologies-1203206561/

          • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2019 at 12:32 pm #

            I’ve heard that that idea is true. And as Blake reminds us:

            A Truth told with bad intent beats all the lies you can invent.

          • hmuller November 9, 2019 at 3:24 pm #

            It would be an unfortunate development if all the genuine film footage of these child raping and murdering deep state globalists is tossed out of court because computer graphics can fake the same thing. I like to see justice done to evil monsters. But that’s not always the case in this world.

  32. Pucker November 8, 2019 at 5:30 pm #

    What do you think of of blokes who wear a monocle and carry a pocket watch? Why do they do that? Convenience? It’s not really convenient because you can’t see out of just one eye.

  33. Pucker November 8, 2019 at 5:36 pm #

    Are you one of those blokes who is always calling up the local zoo keeper to ask when the lions and tigers are fucking so that you can take your teenage son down to watch as part of his home schooling sex education curriculum?

  34. Pucker November 8, 2019 at 5:50 pm #

    The American Empire is neither Holy nor Roman….

  35. stelmosfire November 8, 2019 at 8:22 pm #

    Concerning this Mormon family gunned down in Mexico, I understand the families have been there for years. Originally moving to Mexico to escape US anti-polygamy laws. From what I read they have been feuding with the drug gangs for a long time. Why are the Mormons still there if they are not welcome? Everyone knows the area is lawless and controlled by the drug gangs. El Chapo is locked up in the US for life but still controls the place.

    theusawire.com/2019/11/14467-cop-involved-in-el-chapos-sons-arrest-was-shot-155-times-in-gruesome-ex…

    Is it any wonder that the authorities in Mexico are scared shitless of these assholes? But that’s ok guns are not available to law abiding Mexicans.

    • BackRowHeckler November 8, 2019 at 8:35 pm #

      USA today has a column blaming lax US gun laws for the massacre in Mexico.

      Not much bad happens in the world that isn’t the fault of the United States. Actually, if you read the Guardian or the NYT, ‘Climate Change’ is the cause of all the world’s ills right now, from war to refugee migration, and whose fault is Climate Change? You guessed it, ours.

      Brh

      • malthuss November 8, 2019 at 8:36 pm #

        to a degree, its true. Obama and Holder, F n F scandal.

        • benr November 11, 2019 at 9:27 am #

          Not defending Obama but FnF was also around under W.
          Obama just doubled down on the bad adventure.

          While we are discussing guns with money and imports one can get anything they want.
          Mexico is awash in guns because people want them and the black market only cares about money.

      • stelmosfire November 8, 2019 at 10:49 pm #

        Lax gun laws? EVERYONE in the USA that wants to purchase a gun from a FFL gun dealer must pass a background check. I have been through many. These gun laws are bullshit. Criminals don’t follow laws obviously. My guns sleep like a piece of iron which is what they are.

    • SoftStarLight November 9, 2019 at 3:47 pm #

      The drug cartels probably fund anti gun rights politicians.

  36. malthuss November 8, 2019 at 8:33 pm #

    any takers?
    She went to africa to aid ‘women’ but she and her child were murdered in NYC by a YKW.

    dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7660917/Man-46-decapitates-wife-slits-five-year-old-daughters-throat-ha…

    • malthuss November 8, 2019 at 8:35 pm #

      GREEN ALGAE,

      The fact he decapitated her made me wonder if he was from the continent.
      OJ only ‘almost decapitated Nicole [she of the 7 abortions].

      from link,

      Jennifer and Yonathan Tedla, an immigrant from Ethiopia, met in the early aughts at Columbia University, where she was attending graduate school and he was working as an IT technician.

    • Majella November 9, 2019 at 1:01 am #

      ‘YKW’. How coy & quaint. Not ‘community member’? Not ‘vibrant’? Why don’t you just use the word you want to use?

      A confident person would ‘call a spade a spade’ whereas I’d call ‘a spade a fucking shovel’

    • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2019 at 12:37 pm #

      A Social Justice Warrior Saint (like the wannabes Alba and Maj) finds out the Truth about her beloved sacred cows. Because she was far more serious about it – actually marrying one. She deserved to find out the Truth and it was revealed to her. Alba and Maj never will because their middle class personalities keep them safe. They avoid the Sacred Cows and worship from a safe distance.

      • malthuss November 9, 2019 at 2:58 pm #

        She brought an African home with her.
        Darwinned…he warned her.

        • hmuller November 9, 2019 at 4:34 pm #

          Men from Slavic countries generally believe wife beating is a good thing which stabilizes a marriage. American girls should think about that before marrying one. There’s problems all over.

      • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 7:33 pm #

        I have no sacred cows, but if I did have one I wouldn’t marry it.

        • hmuller November 10, 2019 at 9:55 am #

          Of course not, that would be udder-ly ridiculous.

  37. stelmosfire November 8, 2019 at 10:36 pm #

    short? look at this pic. The crew
    s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/embed/public/2016/01/24/trump-bloomberg.jpg

  38. sunburstsoldier November 8, 2019 at 11:47 pm #

    GreenAlba,

    Just out of curiosity what’s it like where you live? Do you live in a city, village, or out in the boondocks somewhere. The idea of living in Scotland seems so romantic to me. I can imagine you living in an old stone house with a thatched roof, a place where you can actually see the stars at night, but I’m sure that’s just idle fantasy…

    • sunburstsoldier November 8, 2019 at 11:49 pm #

      I’m Scotch-Irish myself…

      • Majella November 9, 2019 at 12:29 am #

        That’s SCOTS-Irish, FFS. Scotch is what we drink.

        • SoftStarLight November 9, 2019 at 3:40 pm #

          Its a funny mistake but still you can’t ever seem to find lightheartedness or simple humor in things. You haven’t had enough Scotch have you?

    • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 9:20 pm #

      sunburst

      I’m afraid I’m a townie and live in a boring old Victorian street in Edinburgh. I’ve seen stars, just the same, on clear nights, but you’d really need to go to Dumfries and Galloway to the Dark Skies Park for a better view. You might even see the northern lights.

      forestryandland.gov.scot/visit/forest-parks/galloway-forest-park/dark-skies

      They have cute cows over there too, called Belted Galloways:

      i.pinimg.com/originals/12/17/54/121754c8fc3fb0aa7734fb2fcd792f95.jpg

      • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 9:21 pm #

        You must have endless places in your vast country to watch stars, surely?

      • sunburstsoldier November 10, 2019 at 7:46 am #

        What you call “a boring old Victorian street in Edinburgh” I would probably call a ” pedestrian -friendly, human-scale urban environment”; plus wasn’t Edinburgh the setting for James Joyce’s “Ulysses”?

        • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 11:27 am #

          Well, it is a pedestrian-friendly city on the whole, sunburst, with an excellent bus service, but still way too many cars.

          James Joyce was from the even smaller wet island to the west. My husband, who’s from there, calls it a bog in the middle of the Atlantic, which is harsh. Both islands have their warts and wonders.

          Here’s a lady who lives in a walkable town (well tiny one-street village, actually). She’s from Duirinish, up near Skye – I’ve driven through it a few times and it’s very cutesy, with a stream running through the middle and Daisy and her friends wandering around at will, so you have to drive carefully.

          c8.alamy.com/comp/F01T4P/a-highland-cow-standing-in-the-middle-of-the-road-in-duirinish-a-crofting-F…

          Probably more your idea of Scotland. 🙂

  39. stelmosfire November 9, 2019 at 12:19 am #

    Outlaw Josey Wales, Truer words never spoken.
    youtube.com/watch?v=q9EBYw5VN2E
    Watch 2:10- 3:20

    • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2019 at 12:57 pm #

      Nice. But sharing blood isn’t such a great idea any more. And also quantity matters too, not just quality. Such a barren land could not hold many people, no matter how good they are. Ten Bears should have told him, No more Whites after you.

  40. Majella November 9, 2019 at 1:04 am #

    Both – climate change in your face:

    The Australian bush-fire season is now starting in mid-Spring whereas 25 years ago it was late summer. And these are the worst in recorded history. What’s changed???

    google.co.nz/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2019/nov/08/nsw-qld-fires-bushfires-port-…

    • Majella November 9, 2019 at 1:41 am #

      Both = BackRowHeckler.

      • BackRowHeckler November 9, 2019 at 6:26 am #

        Really? It’s 18°F in this valley this morning.

        Brh

        • Majella November 9, 2019 at 8:18 am #

          So -8 Celsius. It’s colder than the Arctic, which has been around -1 Celsius. Hmm.

          • BackRowHeckler November 9, 2019 at 9:49 am #

            Don’t know, we use Fahrenhiet.

            Up to 23° F right now.

            But what does it matter, Majella? You know as well as I do that this ‘Climate Change’ scam is more about social justice, engendering white guilt, and shaking down the USA, Germany and the UK on behalf of squalid 3rd world crapholes. It seems it’s the same people who were in the WTO riots in Seattle in 1999, the OWS movement 5 years ago and these Climate riots in London and NY. Not the same type of people (tho there’s that too, anti world thugs with an axe to grind) but the exact same people.

            Brh

          • SoftStarLight November 9, 2019 at 3:35 pm #

            And maybe that’s because the North Pole is in the Arctic Ocean. Water holds warmth compared to land which radiates it. Meanwhile Arctic lands like Greenland and Siberia are having temperatures of like -30F. But you know all that presumably?

    • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2019 at 12:59 pm #

      Maybe the Abos are setting them to earn beer money.

      • SoftStarLight November 9, 2019 at 3:30 pm #

        Abos – I looked it up and see its a very derogatory and unacceptable term for Aboriginal Australians. How dare you :-)!

      • hmuller November 9, 2019 at 3:44 pm #

        Maybe the kangaroos are farting too much. That methane is flammable and a big green house gas.

    • SoftStarLight November 9, 2019 at 3:26 pm #

      I recently saw where parts of Australia were having unusually cool weather for Spring too. You know its interesting because one would think that a warming world would create more evaporation and rain. They say that colder global climates were drier which allows deserts to expand. Maybe that is what the climate is doing now? Or maybe its all just weather?

      • hmuller November 9, 2019 at 3:50 pm #

        Precisely, SSL. Someone (who shall remain nameless) is sitting on her high horse and claiming because “X” is happening, it proves she’s right about everything. Nope there are no other possible explanations, no complex multiple factors involved. Why? Because she says so!

        • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 6:33 pm #

          Nothing to do with me, hm. People have been paid to do the science and they’re still doing it. If you don’t like what the science has demonstrated, take your beef up with them. Give them your evidence. Point out the flaws in their methodology and their conclusions. You’ve had 40 years the same as they have, so you’re equals, right?

        • Majella November 9, 2019 at 9:37 pm #

          Dipshit.

      • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 6:36 pm #

        “Maybe that is what the climate is doing now? Or maybe its all just weather?”

        Climate is the aggregate of weather, SSL. What is is about that you keep pretending not to understand? If the weather in some place is rainy every day of the year, you can say it’s got a rainy climate. I don’t know anyone who finds that hard if they actually think about it.

        • hmuller November 9, 2019 at 7:12 pm #

          You’re becoming such a tedious one trick pony, GA. Isn’t there anything else which interests you? Speaking strictly for myself, I’m bored to tears with all this yadda, yadda, AGW yadda yadda.

          Consider me the barking dog, now let the caravan move on.

          • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 7:35 pm #

            “speaking strictly for myself, I’m bored to tears with all this yadda, yadda, AGW yadda yadda.”

            Me too, hm. It would be nice if people would stop talking tripe about it and I wouldn’t need to comment.

            I have NEVER, to my knowledge, brought the subject up.

        • SoftStarLight November 9, 2019 at 7:52 pm #

          And I have thought about it and I’m not finding it difficult to grasp. I was actually wondering. Could the brush fires be due to hot and dry conditions this year or is the climate getting drier because its getting cooler. If the climate got warmer would it be more rainy? Majella assumes the world is warming I would think. You apparently are thinking speculation and discussion of the matter is unacceptable if it is outside the mainstream. Or am I overreacting?

          • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 8:59 pm #

            ” If the climate got warmer would it be more rainy? ”

            SSL, you seem to relate everything to America as if America was the world.

            You can be having bush fires in America, while at the exact same time there are record-breaking floods somewhere else. AGW refers to changes in global average temperatures.

            This weekend, a month’s worth of rain fell in 24 hours in Doncaster (West Yorkshire). You can google the pictures. Sheffield is similarly afflicted, along with some other Yorkshire towns. RIvers have burst their banks and are sweeping down residential streets. The former ‘high sheriff of Derbyshire’ (a title I didn’t even know existed) was apparently swept away and drowned.

            That doesn’t prove AGW any more than an individual bush fire season does – what matters is patterns.

            I’m not being mean but I think you need to read something quite basic about AGW and climate change to get the main points. You ask questions that no-one should need to ask if they’ve done a modicum of serious reading on the subject.

            When I was a student, there was a slightly odd guy we all knew (by sight anyway) who was doing a sociology degree. He thought sociology was bunkum and he wanted to be able to say so from a position of greater authority. You could do things like that back then because there were jobs even for people with sociology degrees. And presumably even for people with sociology degrees they didn’t even want.

            Seems to me you could do worse then take a climatology course just to prove it’s bunkum.

          • hmuller November 10, 2019 at 11:15 am #

            Will this climatology course present both sides of the argument? I can hear you GA saying, “No, it will present science, it will present the truth.” Sort of like taking a course in Marxism at Moscow University in 1980.

            GA, have you ever thought deeply about epistemology? How do we know what we know. Mostly we take on faith what others tell us. Well, It’s a complex topic best left for another time.

          • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 11:37 am #

            “Will this climatology course present both sides of the argument?”

            I think you’re missing something if you see science as an argument, hm.

            You could try the physics department and see if they’re running courses in water devining, to present both sides of the argument, whatever that is.

            If you study climatology, hm, you study the climate and ALL possible factors that affect it, volcanoes and everything. That’s kind of obligatory if you’re going to isolate the effects of each factor and figure out what’s happening right now.

          • SoftStarLight November 10, 2019 at 12:13 pm #

            Alba why are you talking to me like I am a child? And you keep missing the question. But I know the answer. No matter what, you are convinced that any climatic change we are seeing is directly tied to human activities with no possibility of other influences being involved except at the most minimal of levels. So there is no point in talking about the Sun, cosmic rays, the Earth’s magnetic field, the stratosphere, the Milankovitch cycles, etc.

          • hmuller November 10, 2019 at 8:23 pm #

            You hit the nail on the head SSL. Could everything we are seeing in regard to climate fluctuations be explained by earth and sun cycles – without AGW thrown in?

            If it’s possible, why revile people who adopt an open minded approach to the problem. The AGW crowd comes across as the Nazi’s who demand faith, obedience, and compliance.

            Some people have this attitude – I AM SCIENCE, HEAR ME ROAR – shut up and believe what we tell you.

      • Majella November 9, 2019 at 9:33 pm #

        Yes. A similar polar vortex effect as the north is experiencing. The stratospheric air over the pole becomes unusually warm by as much as 30 degrees C and pushes the jet stream north, bring super cold air to unexpected places. In this case it was southern WA & SA, where frosts were occurring – extremely rare in any winter.

    • Urinthe Village November 12, 2019 at 11:01 am #

      Looking at what happened in a 25yr period out of the 4 billion year existence of the Earth is equivalent to looking at 14.8 seconds of an average human life span.* Do you think you could write an accurate biography about someone based on 15 seconds of their life? Or forecast their future? Suppose we picked a 15 second period during which they dove into a lake. They started off dry. Now they are wet and there’s no breathable O2. OMG. Drawing any conclusions about something as complicated as climate based upon whatever happens in a time period that is proportional to a human life is absurd, but seems to happen all the time. Why should everything remain as it was in that flickering instant 25 years ago? “Recorded history” likewise, is an insignificant snapshot of time. Pick a single word out of “War and Peace” and try to construct the whole novel.

      *(25/4 billion)(75yrs)(365d/yr)(24hr/d)(60min/hr)(60sec/min) = 14.8 seconds

  41. BackRowHeckler November 9, 2019 at 6:33 am #

    And why do I have to do all the work?

    Majella, how about YOU look up the temps at the Poles this morning?

    See how much glacier melt there actually is.

    Hint: Ice begins to melt at 32°F. Let’s see if you can get within 40° of that.

    Meanwhile, we have the oil burning furnace going pretty good right now. Maybe stoke up the woodstove a little later.

    Brh

  42. BackRowHeckler November 9, 2019 at 7:24 am #

    The problem here is not that it’s too warm, but that it’s too cold.

    I know people in towns west of here who struggle with the price of heating oil in the winter. The problem here is not there is too much fossil fuels, but supply is not enough to keep the price down so people can afford to heat their houses. We need more oil, not less.

    So when we hear lunatics on the left claim they’re going to restrict access to coal, petroleum and natgas, by passing laws, thru lawsuits etc, we get a little nervous. It will be our people who will be freezing their asses off in winter, not big Hollywood stars like Jane Fonda, Leo Decapprio and the rest of the Hollywood scum agitating for all this bullsh-t. Like I said before you could cut the US off cold turkey from fossil fuels and there would still be enough to keep the Kennedy and Obama seaside Cape Cod mansions powered up all year long.

    Got it?

    Brh

    • stelmosfire November 9, 2019 at 8:15 am #

      All for me but not for thee!

      travelandleisure.com/travel-news/leonardo-dicaprio-girlfriend-yacht-france

      Man, I could really get into a yacht and super-models, especially the super-models part, but alas I am trying to reduce my carbon footprint.

      I took the carbon footprint test
      www3.epa.gov/carbon-footprint-calculator/

      I came in at 33,000 the US average is 59,500 so I guess Greta would approve. My brother the Prius driving lunatic bike rider came in at 22,000 but he forgot to include the 5-10 vacations a year he takes on jet airliners. oops! I haven’t flown since 2003.

      • stelmosfire November 9, 2019 at 8:22 am #

        Honestly take the test and post your results. There is not an option for travel and vacations so it is really not accurate as to your true carbon footprint. Leo with his solar home and Tesla would probably be a 0.

        • elysianfield November 9, 2019 at 12:44 pm #

          Saint,
          Close as I can tell, 12,615 for the residence…and our primary source of heat is wood…and the shop, unheated, is on another meter…ditto the well.

        • hmuller November 9, 2019 at 4:41 pm #

          I never go anywhere. I rate maybe 3 carbon fingerprints – max !

      • BackRowHeckler November 9, 2019 at 10:59 am #

        There it is, Leonardo DiCaprio, Mr Climate Change himself.

        Those yachts are big fuel burners, gas or diesel, and marine fuel bought on the piers is sometimes twice the cost if you bought it at a service station.

        That’s what I’m talking about, a bunch Goddam hypocrites and scam artists who want to hog diesel or gasoline for their yachts and private aircraft, at the same time insisting the world around themselves remains pristine. Steyer, DiCapprio, Shwartzenegger, Bloomberg and the rest of these elitists flogging this Climate change hoax want their world squeaky clean. They could care less about you, or ordinary American people. It’s cold in Northern Michigan? Tough sh#t, deplorable. Put up a windmill or bolt a few solar panels to your leaky roof. We’re saving the world here.

        Brh

        • GreenAlba November 9, 2019 at 6:39 pm #

          You’re quite right to call out the hypocrites, brh.

          But none of it changes the science. The atmosphere doesn’t care whether it’s a thousand people with one car each or one greedy hypocrite with a thousand cars that he’s lent to his friends.

          THAT is an economic and political problem, which won’t be solved by pretending the science is at fault.

          It’s beyond me that you can’t see the difference.

          • stelmosfire November 9, 2019 at 9:06 pm #

            GA, and there is this.

            electroverse.net/central-england-experiences-historically-chilly-october/

            I know, I know, weather is not climate but really the Universe rules. I sincerely hope we are not headed into a mini ice age when the canals in Holland freeze over and snow falls in July in New England.
            Eighteen Hundred and Froze To Death
            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer
            It could happen again and the starving masses would be screaming for some warm weather.

          • Nightowl November 10, 2019 at 5:28 am #

            China doesn’t seem to care about “the science,” and neither does the investment class who see CC as a vehicle for developing the 3rd world.

            All those mouths eating more food, produced in a non-eco-friendly manner; all those bodies needing heating and cooling, produced in a non-eco-friendly manner; all those people living considerably longer, non-eco-friendly lives; all of those people having more kiddies, compouding the non-eco-friendliness; and on and on.

            What is the solution for this? Provide a detailed answer.

          • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 11:46 am #

            St Elmo, I’ll leave you to worry about an imminent ice age. I’m tired.

            But I have no idea why you think a record-breaking cold October is either an impossibility with global warming or why it’s more relevant than the fact that England also (like parts of Europe) sweltered in a record-breaking heat wave in the summer this year.

            Do have a look at the floods that have just devastated a bunch of Yorkshire towns this weekend. Rivers bursting their banks and heading down residential streets without a by your leave.

            It’s not about individual weather events, it’s about patterns.

            And AGW promises us greater extremes. Which, unless I’m misinterpreting what’s right in front of my eyes, figuratively speaking, is what we’re getting.

            Vote against it if you wish.

          • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 11:49 am #

            “What is the solution for this? Provide a detailed answer.”

            Sorry, what? If I had an answer I’d be rich now, like Leonardo.

            You might as well tell me dementia doesn’t exist because I don’t have a cure for it.

          • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 11:56 am #

            But I’ll give you one local solution.

            Yorkshire needs to spend a heck of a lot more money on flood defences because it sure isn’t going to get any better. And not just Yorkshire.

            That is going to cost EVERYONE lots of money, whether they believe in climate change or stick their fingers in their ears and shout la la la. Including the Chinese – and the Russians – who have a lot to lose as a result of climate change, even as the unicorns frolic in a warmer Siberia, if they don’t fall down a methane hole like this one:

            cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/oBTnmBKroixVLbac9ZyXJ9-320-80.jpg

          • SoftStarLight November 10, 2019 at 11:58 am #

            That’s because you refused to see his point Alba. You refuse to consider the possibility of a solar minimum or that we may really be entering a mini ice age or worse. That would also cause extreme weather events.

          • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 11:59 am #

            St E

            For you:

            eos.org/articles/the-little-ice-age-wasnt-global-but-current-climate-change-is

          • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 12:07 pm #

            “That’s because you refused to see his point Alba. You refuse to consider the possibility of a solar minimum or that we may really be entering a mini ice age or worse. That would also cause extreme weather events.”

            Skeptical Science, SSL, Skeptical Science…

            Go onto google and put in ‘Skeptical Science solar minimum’, or ‘Skeptical Science mini ice age’.

            It’s all in there. Why do you insist on wasting my time?

            Or go to the Royal Society site or anywhere else that’s not just full of ideologically motivated windbags.

            How in the name of all that’s wonderful do you imagine that in 40 or 50 years of climate science, scientists somehow forgot to think of solar minima or LOCAL mini-ice ages?

            Really, how would that work, for every flippin’ climate scientist on the beleaguered planet? When little ol’ you can see it?

            And don’t say ‘grants’ or I’ll have to remind you about Exxon.

          • Nightowl November 10, 2019 at 3:52 pm #

            I knew you couldn’t answer, which is why I have asked you the same question in multiple threads.

          • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 4:41 pm #

            The discussion on this thread has been about the validity of climate science. The lack of consensus on solutions has no bearing whatsoever on the validity of the physical science.

            We need to reduce the amount of CO2 we are emitting into the atmosphere. But you know that.

            How can you work out solutions if you won’t even acknowledge the problem?

            I don’t mean you personally, obviously.

    • malthuss November 9, 2019 at 3:02 pm #

      Above Sunset Boulevard is Blue Jay Way and other streets
      named for birds.
      Its a pricey kind of place.
      LDC has a home there.
      As do many other celebs. Not much need for heat. Just a need for gasoline to get around town.

    • SoftStarLight November 9, 2019 at 3:18 pm #

      Michael Bloomberg is advocating for a carbon free future so that makes it pretty clear whose side he is on.

      • BackRowHeckler November 9, 2019 at 3:52 pm #

        Oh yeah SSL, a ‘carbon fuel future’ for you and I.

        But how about for Michael Bloomberg?

        He’s a big gun control guy too. He would use police to disarm us, but I’ve read he himself travels with a permanent 12 man armed security detail. Any gun control measures he could get passed I doubt if they would apply to his own agents..

        Brh

        • SoftStarLight November 9, 2019 at 7:37 pm #

          I don’t doubt he has a small private army. The super rich often do. Especially when they are high profile. So its easy for him to push gun control for us. And when the going gets tough I bet he has a remote, possibly far off hideaway to escape too.

  43. stelmosfire November 9, 2019 at 9:05 am #

    This is all about what WE can do. Unfortunately I don’t see a lot of this in the future. Think about the CO2 this Saturn V put into the atmosphere! HOW DARE YOU!
    apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

    • stelmosfire November 9, 2019 at 9:09 am #

      Sorry, my boo-boo. After I thought about it the Saturn V burned H and O so nothing but water vapor.

      • stelmosfire November 9, 2019 at 9:15 am #

        I should do more research. I am totally wrong on many counts. 1st stage Saturn V was kerosene-O2. CO2 up the yazoo. Makes the trees happy anyway.

  44. mntnmom November 9, 2019 at 11:41 am #

    He’s not a Boomer, he is too old for that designation.

    While making generational categories is a bit arbitrary, we do have definitions and date cut-offs.

    If he is 77years old, he was born before 1945, so he was born before the end of WW2 and is not a Baby Boomer, like my dad.

    I am in the age range considered a baby boomer, tail end of it.

    Bloomberg is part of the “Silent Generation”

    • hmuller November 9, 2019 at 4:43 pm #

      Not silent enough, in his case.

  45. volodya November 9, 2019 at 12:02 pm #

    K-dog, you’re absolutely right, power is going to do what power does, which is to maintain or increase its own power and money, which is what we’ve had these past two generations.

    We’ve seen this before, when power overreached and got way too greedy, convincing itself by way of ornate reasoning that the folk they lorded over were unworthy of any consideration. And we saw the results, revolutions all over the world, the French, Russians, Chinese, Cubans, Vietnamese and others sending their abusers packing, sometimes dispatching them. The US too, forcibly ousting its foreign rulers. 

    We see the same today, publications like the New Yorker, New York Times, Atlantic and others, speaking up for modern-day plutocratic overlords, pouring scorn on the moral and intellectual inferiors inhabiting America’s interior, going so far as to argue for their demographic replacement by desperate and impoverished foreigners, the better to abuse those people too. 

    It’s not just in America, you see it all over the world, systematic plundering by the oligarch class, with mouthpieces like Macron hurling insults, and we see the practical results. Life has gotten impossible in numerous places and people vote the way they’re not supposed toand they’re in the streets throwing rocks. 

    Fascism, racism, xenophobia, idiocy are some of the accusations from at the tip of the ruling strata and the useful idiots that speak for them. “Low information voters” is the smear, “people don’t know their own interests” say the high and mighty. Bollocks.

    And the point of you making 100% sense is what? This was your question to me. My social sensors malfunction so I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic. But, on the chance you’re on the up and up, the choice is between the blue pill and the red pill. That’s the point.

    You come to event horizons in human affairs, last chances. And if you take the red pill, there’s no going back, but even if you could, would you want to? 

    • K-Dog November 10, 2019 at 11:28 pm #

      I’m a red pill Merovingian, And you know I’m on the up and up.

      100% sense and $2.70 gets you a 16 oz regular drip coffee at Starbucks.

  46. stelmosfire November 9, 2019 at 12:10 pm #

    Janos (Vlad) I found your chariot!
    shorpy.com/node/25172

    • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2019 at 1:09 pm #

      No, I just used that to get my cocaine laced Coca Cola inside the drug store.

      • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2019 at 1:12 pm #

        If only the Indians had known about the mind poison called “Libertarianism”, they could have poisoned White minds enough so they would have never been able to conquer them. Governments! Phew! Damn those forts and Indian killing cavalry.

        The Comanche were White Slavers. There was no dealing with them without much use of the Iron of Death.

    • hmuller November 9, 2019 at 4:46 pm #

      Looks like what Jethro Bodine would call ” a babe magnet”.

  47. axisboldaslove November 9, 2019 at 1:39 pm #

    An interesting, often humorous entry this week, Jim, replete with marvelous verbal prowess! Well done.

    The replies here, however, read like a repetitive litany forming an omnium gathreum of grumblings, anger, hate focused on minor details. Who is taller?! Who speaks better (or worse) than whom?! Who has the best or worst clothing?!

    Can we either talk about who, in this rather week field, would at least do the best job, or just keep it simply and say, “none of the above”?

    Oh well, it’s been amusing as always.

    • sunburstsoldier November 9, 2019 at 6:51 pm #

      I guess we’re waiting for you to take the initiative…

    • elysianfield November 9, 2019 at 7:34 pm #

      “…talk about who, in this rather weak field, would at least do the best job”

      Axis,
      We should discuss, rather, who would be allowed to do the best job. If you have been watching these last three years, there is not a paucity of good ideas, nor attempts at implementing them, but rather a complete lack of co-operation in a system that is, at this writing, totally Balkanized….

      What the candidates say means little, in reality.

    • Nightowl November 10, 2019 at 8:33 am #

      Go back and look at the context. Then proceed to step II and start a substantive discussion on policy.

      Many of us would be more than happy to engage you.

  48. SoftStarLight November 9, 2019 at 3:02 pm #

    I went to his website and it really seemed more like a getting to know you experience rather than anything to do with 2020. He is into saving the planet, public health, big tech and media clearly, and other than his record as mayor of NYC it seems like the focus is global. The philanthropist angle is emphasized. But what was totally missing was anything about America or the every day problems that need to be addressed. Maybe I’m missing the point? Its ironic that in an age of Populism all we have to choose from are billionaires. Both of them are Globalists really and their agendas are similar even if not at first glance IMO. I just wish one of the candidates was seriously talking about banning all immigration and deconstructing the shadow surveillance state among so many other things. Oh well.

    • Walter B November 9, 2019 at 4:23 pm #

      I know that it’s not very Christian of me, but I never trusted that weaselly little rat and have always suspected him to be afflicted with Napoleon Syndrome. He is too much a control freak and I could easily imagine him on Epstein Island or a similar defile of debauchery. Never trust a man with a tiny penis.

      • sunburstsoldier November 9, 2019 at 6:41 pm #

        You know his penis size or is that just an assumption?

        • Walter B November 9, 2019 at 6:47 pm #

          Look at his tiny hands, and ask any woman. They will back me up.

          • elysianfield November 9, 2019 at 7:44 pm #

            Tiny hands, a clue,
            Bloomberg prohibits Big Gulp.
            He drew the short straw.

            View his tiny hands,
            And ask any Woman if true,
            They will back me up.

            Walter
            Two Haiku, and yours without effort!

          • stelmosfire November 9, 2019 at 8:42 pm #

            So I wear a size 16 shoe, xxx wide. It is a pox. 6′ 3 235. Finding shoes or socks that fit is a bitch. I consider you normal fellas lucky. Big hands, big feet, two out of three is a bitch. Oh shit I’m going to the clink in MA.

          • elysianfield November 9, 2019 at 11:30 pm #

            “So I wear a size 16 shoe, xxx wide.”

            Saint,
            I wear a 10D…you could wear the boxes they come in….

      • SoftStarLight November 9, 2019 at 7:00 pm #

        Actually Bloomberg had some connection to Epstein. He is part of the Elite inner circles so it is not all that surprising.

        nypost.com/2019/07/09/jeffrey-epsteins-a-list-pals-rush-to-distance-themselves-after-predators-arres…

      • BackRowHeckler November 9, 2019 at 11:57 pm #

        Walt

        Nobody passes muster in CFNation

        We hammer ’em all.

        brh

        • Walter B November 10, 2019 at 7:00 am #

          That is only fair, although some DO require more hammering than others, don’t you think?

    • sunburstsoldier November 9, 2019 at 6:54 pm #

      Maybe billionaires are the only ones that can afford to be Populists. To run on a Populist platform is risky as you are bucking the establishment…

      • SoftStarLight November 9, 2019 at 7:07 pm #

        Well it is true that the entire process is controlled by big money and special interests so that is inevitably a part of it I think too. That’s why I think the solution is beyond politics now. At least for the moment.

  49. BackRowHeckler November 9, 2019 at 4:26 pm #

    Giant mural of Greta Thunberg being painted on a wall in downtown San Francisco. Some people are calling it Orwellian, others are comparing it to murals of Mao in Beijing, or of Stalin in Moscow.

    Those crazy eyes will be watching over you, watching and waiting for you to make a ‘climate’ slip up.

    The British newspaper I read this story in describes San Fran as a progressive city with a keen interest a clean environment. Clean environment? Aha ha ha haha aha etc etc etc!!! Tens of thousands of people living in the streets, piles of human feces and pools of urine everywhere, host for scores of filthy diseases and viruses like hepatitis A & B, Aids, Typhus, discarded needles and medical waste on sidewalks … there’s the ‘clean environnent the all seeing Greta will be watching over …

    Brh

    • hmuller November 9, 2019 at 4:51 pm #

      This just in from Greta:…

      The termites have stolen my childhood; I hate them all,

      The farting kangaroos have stolen my childhood; I hate them all,

      The volcanoes have stolen my childhood; I hate them all,

      Standby. More to follow, as she finds more carbon emitters.

      • BackRowHeckler November 9, 2019 at 6:19 pm #

        Well, volcanoes are a biggie.

        I read that the Krakatoa eruption in the 1880s emitted more carbon than every automobile and power plant has in the past 125 years. The sun was blotted out for months.

        “How dare you, Gods of the underworld? How dare you?”

        Mr Muller we are joking about this but Greta’s stern visage will be staring down at you on the streets of SF, sizing you up, reading your thoughts, passing judgement, trying to determine if you are down with the movement, or an enemy against the movement. If that’s the case, God help you.

        brh

        • hmuller November 10, 2019 at 11:21 am #

          You couldn’t drag me to San Francisco. The zombie left wing nut jobs who live there probably deserve her stern visage staring down on them.

      • sunburstsoldier November 9, 2019 at 6:48 pm #

        I wonder how the poor kid got caught up in this climate change crusade. She’ll probably have grey hair and wrinkles by the time she is 30…

        • hmuller November 9, 2019 at 7:21 pm #

          Gee, maybe someone paid her parents a lot of money to take their little autistic wonder on the world tour.

          There’s only a few hundred NGO’s (non-governmental organizations) devoted to promoting the globalist cause.

          Funding is not a problem for the darlings of the ruling class and banking cartel.

      • elysianfield November 9, 2019 at 7:49 pm #

        “Standby. More to follow…”

        Sweet Greta hates us,
        Exhalations and flatus,
        Hold your breath, and Die!

      • Nightowl November 10, 2019 at 8:41 am #

        Further instructions are currently being phoned from OSF in as she sunbathes on the aft deck of Leo’s superyacht.

    • sunburstsoldier November 9, 2019 at 6:44 pm #

      “Tens of thousands of people living in the streets, piles of human feces and pools of urine everywhere, host for scores of filthy diseases and viruses like hepatitis A & B, Aids, Typhus, discarded needles and medical waste on sidewalks.”

      Surely this is an exaggeration Brh…

  50. sunburstsoldier November 9, 2019 at 7:21 pm #

    From Townhall:

    “For whatever reason, Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) decided to share a video of a pathetic speech she gave her team following the 2016 election, when it became clear Trump beat former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. You know, the very election Democrats are still in denial about.

    In the speech, she said her nephew and godson, Alexander, came up to her with tears in his eyes.

    “I said ‘Come here little man, what’s going on?’ And he looked up at me, I swear to God, and he looked up me and he said ‘I don’t want Trump to win. Did he win?’” she recounted. “And he’s crying, and I mean, so the tears of joy we shed when we elected Barack Obama, and then my little godson’s tears tonight cause we might have elected Donald Trump. This is some sh*t.”

    Harris told her team they needed to “be prepared to fight and to roll up our sleeves and fight.”

    How could the kid know in advance Trump was ‘Orange Man Bad’…

    • elysianfield November 9, 2019 at 7:55 pm #

      Kamala Harris
      Your tears are but a sweet balm,
      Your whining music…

      • elysianfield November 9, 2019 at 11:33 pm #

        …For God’s sake, somebody stop me before I Haiku again….

        • SoftStarLight November 10, 2019 at 11:47 am #

          Why should we stop the creative process?

    • SoftStarLight November 9, 2019 at 8:06 pm #

      It’s probably just a made up story.

      • Majella November 10, 2019 at 3:06 am #

        Yea…sounds just like a Trump yarn, about all the big burly men in his office crying because he’s made America so great again.

        • SoftStarLight November 10, 2019 at 11:44 am #

          And what yarn is that because I never heard about it? Enlighten me.

  51. KesaAnna November 10, 2019 at 2:36 am #

    ” The salary was £9000/year. That works out at just under £5/hour. Probably about the same as the $7 dollars you quoted.

    It paid my mortgage and kept me and two kids, but I’ll admit it wasn’t fun. ”

    — GreenAlba

    You only mentioned one job there , not two , or three.

    And so , IN THE USA , your math here simply isn’t credible.

    You paid a mortgage , and kept three people in groceries , on the equivalent of 7 dollars an hour ?

    SIMPLY ….. NOT ….. POSSIBLE.

    NOT IN THE USA.

    As JHK is wont to say , ” The math doesn’t pencil in. ”

    There are either important details being left out of your math there that skewers the whole thing ,

    or , your whole context is wrong anyway.

    As I have pointed out before , the United States is roughly 45 times larger than the entire UK.

    For my American Audience :

    just on the basic level , it’s like comparing the one little state of Connecticut to the entire western United States west of the Mississippi River.

    Or , for pretty much any audience ;

    Like comparing an economy apartment to a 500 acre estate.

    Gee, what could be wrong with this picture ?

    What could possibly be wrong with the math of a person who doesn’t detect the difference between a quarter acre and 500 acres ?

    So , on that basis alone , I think it reasonable to assume that your 5 – pounds equivalent isn’t equivalent.

    My other guess , though , is that , for a subscriber to the sexual revolution , and a critic of Christianity ,

    you seem to be quite the Calvinist Christian prude ,

    who sees , ” fun ” ,

    even when I just told you the motive was dry , sober , cost / benefit ratios.

    • Majella November 10, 2019 at 3:13 am #

      Aside from the obscure reference to physical size of each country (which I admit eludes me at this point), you need to take into account:

      1) healthcare provided without direct cost to the end-user at time of engagement;
      2) living in a relatively compact city with great & low cost public transport
      3) as you point out, an ability to manage on what one has (regardless of religious belief, which reference also eludes me)

      • KesaAnna November 10, 2019 at 3:41 am #

        ” 2) living in a relatively compact city with great & low cost public transport ”

        That statement tells me rather un -obscurely that this ;

        ” Aside from the obscure reference to physical size of each country (which I admit eludes me at this point), ”

        isn’t true.

        In the first statement you directly linked the factor of space and time to cost , yourself.

      • KesaAnna November 10, 2019 at 3:53 am #

        ” …regardless of religious belief, which reference also eludes me) ”

        Hmm ,

        Google , ” Calvinist “.

        Google , ” Christian ”

        And Google the definition of the word , ” Prude ” ?

        I don’t know , maybe you are twelve years old and have lived in a cave or a convent your entire life ?

      • KesaAnna November 10, 2019 at 3:58 am #

        And if that is the best you can do in trying to fake out a high – school drop – out ,

        then I’m hardly impressed by the New Zealand educational system.

        • Majella November 10, 2019 at 10:47 am #

          As I said, your frame of reference eludes me.

          Thanks for not clarifying anything, except your intellectual arrogance and dismissive demeanour.

    • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 6:54 am #

      “You paid a mortgage , and kept three people in groceries , on the equivalent of 7 dollars an hour ?

      SIMPLY ….. NOT ….. POSSIBLE.

      NOT IN THE USA.”

      I didn’t say it was. I don’t live in the USA. Neither did I suggest you should have been content with 7 dollars in your own position. I was just mentioning that I didn’t live in a bed of roses (so, no, not sylvan). But yes, I managed to pay the mortgage and feed three people. I didn’t always have what they were having for dinner, though. My mortgage was manageable and we lived simply. No car at that point, no healthcare costs, and a monthly bus pass. i wonder how you think the ‘welfare mooches’ here get by for years on end?

      But my next job (the first one with the publisher) paid £11K (yay!) and moved up gradually, so it wasn’t permanent. Thankfully. My previous employment, as a replacement French teacher, paid £18K at the time, but pro rata. Very pro rata. Because sometimes you’d get a term’s work (could be part-time) and sometimes a week or just a day.

      So when I got a whole term’s work, full time, we’d replace the things that needed replacing and when it was just days or weeks, we’d live accordingly, But I also said I got help when I needed it, which I happily pay forward. So it is not and was not meant to be a direct comparison.

      If you think I’m good at managing money, you should meet my daughter who lives up the road. She’s a nursery nurse. Not a nursery teacher, she’s not clever enough for that. When she was doing her three years of childcare at college, she got a bursary of £19.50 a week from the local authority for the first two years and nothing at all for the last year, when she had the opportunity to take out a student loan. She has never had a credit card and doesn’t do loans, like yourself, except for a mortgage. I took £10/week of her £19.50 towards her keep, because I needed it. She worked for £2.95/hour in a card shop an evening or two and a Saturday. And she walked someone’s dog. And at one point she cleaned an old lady’s house. By the end of her three years (age 20) she had saved £9K. By 24, on a nursery nurse’s wages and by that time having lived for two years in a rented flat with a friend, she’d saved £24K – £20K for the desposit on a shared-ownership flat and a couple of grand to furnish it, with some left. So, yeah, we’re good with money.

      But I’m not suggesting life is the US is as manageable. It wouldn’t be here either now, but she made a good start, so she survives. Just as well as her other half has 16 hours on the minimum wage. I help with the little lad but she won’t take charity.

      • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 7:01 am #

        And I made no comment about the DDR, as far as I remember. The gal in Der geteilte Himmel’, wasn’t much impressed by the west either, from what I recall, and went back. It’s still better not to shoot people for trying to leave, on the whole, even though you reserved some contempt for the escapees too, from your moral high horse, as I remember..

    • elysianfield November 10, 2019 at 12:12 pm #

      Kesa…bitterness!
      With sharp tongue as a cruel scourge;
      I cannot escape!

      • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 4:26 pm #

        You know you don’t want to, elysianfield. Stop playing hard to get. 🙂

    • Q. Shtik November 10, 2019 at 2:27 pm #

      As JHK is wont to say , ” The math doesn’t pencil in. ” – Kesa

      ===========

      More than likely Jim would have said “The math doesn’t pencil OUT.” But I’m willing to be proven wrong.

  52. KesaAnna November 10, 2019 at 3:30 am #

    ” Having also been called a reptile, whore and child abuser by your favourite dominatrix, I think I’m not the first person you should be telling to lighten up. ”

    — GreenAlba

    Now I really must respond to this — for fucking giggles.

    Any and every job I ever had , whether it was hamburger flipper , sweat shop factory worker , law office clerk , or estate manager , was essentially , in some greater or lesser degree , a form of prostitution.

    For example , global warming aside , I think the internal combustion engine has had a catastrophic effect on the American landscape.

    Never the less , as the manager of a 500 acre estate , I was obliged to make use of two ton smoke belching tractors.

    On a 500 acre estate , a tractor is not a luzury or a gross toy. It’s basic equipment ; like a microwave oven would be for a city – dwelling renter , or a half – acre suburbanite.

    The ONLY alternative to tractors would be a Utopian feudalism.

    You’ ll see snow in Hell first. Not least because GreenAlba would utterly hate FEUDALISM.

    OR , a return to chattel slavery.

    So , tractors it is.

    And the environment be damned.

    Prostitution , plain and simple.

    The fact that in this case I didn’t remove a stitch of clothing is neither here , nor there.

    For another example , I’ll pick on Elysianfield a moment ;

    He was a police officer eh ?

    Oooooh !

    Pfft , in my view , he was a hired gunman for the boys down town.

    Rather like the mafia enforcer Frank Nitti , except perhaps Frank Nitti had more guts and gumption ?

    ” child abuser… ”

    What I actually called you was a child molestor.

    And here I refer you to statements like this ;

    ” Whenever sex scandals come up , and most especially sex scandals involving the kiddies ,

    does anyone mention or notice that rather gigantic sex scandal involving children ?

    I mean the one engineered by plain – jane – garden – variety heterosexuals ,

    where two out of three kids raised in single parent families are condemned to poverty because the math sucks ?

    Where at least 70 % of those don’t have a snowballs chance in Hell of ever escaping that poverty ?

    so they will suffer the consequent abuse day in , and day out , year in , and year out , until the day they die ?

    No.

    Never.

    Not even when I , and a few others , point it out. ”

    In other words , I have accused an ENTIRE SOCIETY of child abuse ,

    and accused EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM , including myself , of being a child molester.

    And I’m not taking such statements back , or budging one inch on them either.

    ” Reptile …”

    You got that one right.

    Not you , not Elysianfield , nor those many others I have encountered over 50 + years , have ever given a remotely credible accounting of how you would define words like , ” good ” and ” bad ” , minus a good god and an afterlife ,

    In plain language , all you can posit is that you are lucky enough to win a vote that gives you the power to stick guns in peoples faces and so oblige them to agree to your totally baseless definitions of , ” good ” and ” bad “.

    Hell no , I’m not ashamed of my old home the DDR , at least because you are not one degree any better than they were.

    Mailed fist , or mailed fist in a silk glove = same shit.

    You criticize or ridicule Janos , but your own real appeal , no less than his , is brute force.

    And spare me the spiel about your just being a typist with an opinion.

    Like everyone else who ever picks up a pen , YOU HAVE AN AGENDA.

    Or , your family life is not nearly as sylvan as you make it out to be ?

    So , yeah , you’re a fucking reptile.

    • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 6:21 am #

      Kesa, ma’am, you appear to have misunderstood my use of the word ‘dominatrix’, which is understandable. I would slip in an apology there for the ambiguity were it not for your unfortunate personality.

      The epithet did not refer to your previous occupation, since I don’t blame anyone for doing what they need to do in that manner to survive. It referred to the way brh worships you and your rather abrasive tongue and the way elyisianfield does the same but with a bit of sexual innuendo added in for good measure, implying he’d enjoy a good tongue lashing. It was a light barb sent to them and not to you. You think I’d INVITE one or your diatribes? Really?

      For the rest, nothing new, A ‘good god’ does not send people – any people – to eternal torture. Neither does he design a world that incorporates worms that can live on nothing but a human eye, or the existence of trigeminal neuralgia. And I’m aware that Catholic theology can slither its way around any of these matters.

      That you cannot accommodate the existence of other humans’ honest disagreement with your ‘cosmoloty’ without calling them a reptile is unfortunate, but it is your misfortune, not mine. A breakfast cuppa awaits me.

      Janos once said you were naturally born to be part of the Inquisition, or words to that effect. I noticed very clearly that you did not disagree with him. Perhaps there was more than a little truth in it.

      • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 6:28 am #

        ‘cosmology’, obviously.

      • hmuller November 10, 2019 at 9:37 am #

        You’re quoting the truth of Janos? Now, I’ve seen it all. But I’m also a little jealous; have I said nothing memorable? LOL

        • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 12:23 pm #

          They recognise their own, as far as I can see.

          • hmuller November 10, 2019 at 8:33 pm #

            I’m sooooo dumb; I don’t even know what that means.

    • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 6:26 am #

      And my family life is not sylvan – I’m a townie. 🙂

      Other than that my family life is banal, although it is not without issues, like most people’s.

      I remain a typist with some opinions, garnered over a reasonably long life. I get that one of them pisses you off monumentally, but, again, that is your problem.

    • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 8:36 am #

      “Not you , not Elysianfield , nor those many others I have encountered over 50 + years , have ever given a remotely credible accounting of how you would define words like , ” good ” and ” bad ” , minus a good god and an afterlife ,”

      The observance of a code of behaviour for the purpose of avoiding punishment or gaining a reward is not morality, it is expediency.

      Theology 101, as you folks would say.

      Morality (in which the concepts of ‘good’ and ‘bad’ figure greatly) is something else.

      • sunburstsoldier November 10, 2019 at 11:13 am #

        GreenAlba,

        There is a very simple criteria for determining whether something is ‘good’ or ‘bad’ apart from the belief in God and an afterlife. It is a criteria, in other words, both atheists and theists can recognize and agree upon. At the same time it is a criteria that is very difficult to implement or put into practice. It can be stated thus: it is ‘good’ when the individual lives for the family, the family lives for the nation, and the nation lives for the world. The reason this must be so is because without the world the nation cannot exist, without the nation the family cannot exist, and without the family the individual cannot exist.

        • sunburstsoldier November 10, 2019 at 2:20 pm #

          To put it otherwise, if everyone lived for their families, and all families lived for their respective nations; and if, in turn, all nations lived for the sake of the world, we would have World Peace and a planetary Moral Order even without a belief in God and afterlife.

          But gosh! Nobody seems to be listening…

          • sunburstsoldier November 10, 2019 at 2:56 pm #

            It takes a tremendous amount of willpower, faith, and conviction to replace “Reality” with the Ideal of World Peace and Brotherhood.

            On the surface, a world of chaos and confusion appears to be in the nature of things, and strife and struggle an endless go round from which there is no escape. Beneath this superficiality however lies a deeper Reality–a ‘Shining Ideal’–which seeks to manifest itself through the activities of those in tune with the Collective Mind. This Collective Mind (which is a manifestation of Higher Powers-Which-Be) indwells us all, at least according to Carl Jung, but to come into alignment with it we must learn to accentuate the positive, and focus upon our commonalities rather than upon what sets us apart.

      • elysianfield November 10, 2019 at 11:31 am #

        Alba,
        The definition of “good” and “bad” is simple. Just define what is “normal” and “abnormal”.

        Then realize that the definitions. all four, are culture-specific.

        THEN realize that those cultures, who never ever heard of God, or JuJu, or whatever, developed rules for mutual benefit…to allow for what might pass for civility/order. How this civility becomes codified, through the efforts of strongmen, chiefs, warlords and priests, is entirely obvious. Codification can be word of mouth, ritual, or even a book….

        I have my parent’s morality…they had theirs.

        • elysianfield November 10, 2019 at 11:33 am #

          parents’ morality…they had theirs from their own parents, ad infinitum.

        • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 12:38 pm #

          I see nothing to disagree with there, EF. My observations on the sources of morality are quite close to yours, even if our moralities are not exactly the same. We would still agree on the basics that pretty much all people everywhere agree on, like not murdering people or stealing their stuff. And we would (or in your case already do) take extreme care of sick family members, rather than putting them outside in the snow.

          Now I’ve linked myself to Gestapo-man – shit. 🙂

          I would add empathy into the mix. But I’m not interested in any kind of Richard Dawkins-style nit-picking about the reasons for its evolution. Life is too short – empathy is better just experienced and acted upon.

    • elysianfield November 10, 2019 at 11:57 am #

      “Pfft , in my view , he was a hired gunman for the boys down town.”

      Kesa
      You are absolutely correct in that the police are the instrument of policy…but not necessarily on the local level, as we enforced primarily state law, with the occasional city ordinance and Federal Title 18 laws….

      You cannot argue the lack of need for this service. You can complain how it is implemented…and there will always be issues. Most police are human, and humanity has a poor track record regarding dealing with their fellow man. The object of any administration is to keep outrages to a minimum, not eliminate them entirely, which would be a fool’s errand.

      If you have a better method of keeping society intact…let’s hear it.

  53. sunburstsoldier November 10, 2019 at 9:37 am #

    At the risk of sounding corny or even childishly naive I must admit I enjoy the people using this forum. You have strong individualistic points of view which were developed, in most cases I’m sure, over the course of a lifetime. The worldview some of you adhere to no doubt differs radically from my own, but for me that just makes it all the more interesting. How boring life would be if we all saw the world through the same prism!!

    I am curious as to how you found this blog. In my case I have been a fan of JHK since the publication of his book ‘Geography of Nowhere ‘ when I was involved in the New Urbanism movement…

  54. capt spaulding November 10, 2019 at 9:44 am #

    Well Alba, here is a copy of my Nephew’s science paper on global warming. I hope the deniers can absorb it without too much difficulty.

    Global temperatures are determined by combining measurements from the air above land, and from the ocean surface, collected by ships, buoys, and sometimes satellites too.

    The temperature at each land & ocean station is compared to what is “normal” for that location and time of year, and is typically the long term average over a 30 year period. The differences are called “anomalies” , and they help evaluate how the temperature is changing over time. A positive anomaly means that the temperature is warmer than the long term average, a negative anomaly means it is cooler.

    Daily anomalies are averaged together over a whole month, these are in turn, used to work out temperature anomalies from season to season, and year to year.

    But, the world doesn’t warm at the same rate everywhere. Data suggests that the Arctic, for example, is warming twice as fast as the global average. After working out the annual temperature anomalies for each land or ocean station, the earth is divided up into grid boxes. By combining the grid boxes, scientists work out the average temperatures for both hemispheres, and local areas. How much each box contributes to the global temperature is adjusted to account for the fact that the degree of longitude is bigger at the equator, than at the poles. After that, the scientists take the average of the two hemispheric values and combine them to arrive at a value for global warming, or cooling.

    • capt spaulding November 10, 2019 at 9:45 am #

      My nephew is in the ninth grade.

      • BackRowHeckler November 10, 2019 at 10:19 am #

        You mean they’re foisting this hoax on kids in HS?

        Using their ‘Scientific’ jargon?

        It takes billions of calculations just to predict local weather a few days out. Yet I saw on I believe it was Slate a writer predicting the weather in the year 2100 ‘if do no nothing’. Of course it was catastrophic. I can only surmise he had a crystal ball that enabled him to see that far into the future.

        Brh

        • capt spaulding November 10, 2019 at 10:44 am #

          Until you can understand that weather is not climate, further dialogue is pointless.

          • hmuller November 10, 2019 at 11:34 am #

            So true, weather is not climate. But your crowd keeps citing today’s weather report as anecdotal support for their agenda when it lines up. Floods here, drought there. It’s too hot, it’s too cold, too windy, too calm. Everything proves you right.

            You people crack me up. LOL

            OK. Now get all huffy, nasty, and dismissive. Insult my intelligence. I know the drill. Don’t you just wish you could put us all into camps and water board us?

          • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 12:56 pm #

            No, hm, probability is what scientists have been working on for the last 40 or 50 years, patiently making calculations you can’t be bothered to make to isolate discrete factors that affect the climate. Using atmospheric records from up to 800,000 years ago.

            Regarding your other straw man (I could go out on a limb and just call this a lie), I would refer you to my previous comment upthread:

            But I have no idea why you think a record-breaking cold October is either an impossibility with global warming or why it’s more relevant than the fact that England also (like parts of Europe) sweltered in a record-breaking heat wave in the summer this year…

            It’s not about individual weather events, it’s about patterns.

            “And AGW promises us greater extremes. Which, unless I’m misinterpreting what’s right in front of my eyes, figuratively speaking, is what we’re getting.

            “Vote against it if you wish.

            You too may vote against it if you wish. It will be as much use as shouting down an empty oil well telling it your car needs ‘gas’.

          • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 12:57 pm #

            Re your last manipulative paragraph, I would suggest not behaving like a teenager. Capt spaulding’s nephew might be reading.

          • hmuller November 10, 2019 at 9:02 pm #

            GA, Was that a “manipulative paragraph”? I do get slapped down and insulted so much on this issue. You should know, you do most of it.

            But I must give you credit for not going as far as many of your ideological bed-fellows, suggesting AGW deniers be imprisoned and/or put into re-education camps. I guess such camps are how scientists and their globalist sponsors prove they’re right.

            Oh my, was that manipulative?

          • GreenAlba November 11, 2019 at 9:31 am #

            Slightly, yes, It was a straw man intended to insult me by suggesting I’m not quite as bad as them. Damned by faint praise. Also you didn’t provide numbers for the allegation regarding many of my supposed ‘ideological bedfellows’. And you used manipulative and dishonest language by referring to my position as ideological, when it is nothing to do with ideology, unlike your own.

            And your last paragraph in the previous comment was exactly what I said it was. Just like teenagers say ‘well of course I can never do anything right, can I?’

            I give you evidence and rational arguments, hm. The bottom line is you don’t want them. You consider them a personal rebuke, yet I don’t know you from Adam. All I do is try to support the floodgates against a tsunami of disingenuous, ideologically motivated disinformation and scurrilous attacks on the people who do the actual science and on those who have the good grace to give them more credit than Alex Jones, Myron Ebell or Scott Pruitt.

            I am hugely outnumbered.

        • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 1:06 pm #

          “You mean they’re foisting this hoax on kids in HS?

          Using their ‘Scientific’ jargon?”

          I know, shocking isn’t it. I heard they were even telling kids the earth wasn’t flat, using their scientific jargon. Words like ‘oblate spheroid’ far beyond their innocent years.

          Shocking, I tell you, shocking.

          But it does make me wonder how you expect a youngster to merit entrance to a university science department if they have parents who won’t let them study science.

          • BackRowHeckler November 10, 2019 at 2:52 pm #

            Not a good comparison, GA. Euclid and Eratosthenes — ancient Greek mathematicians — know the earth was not flat. De Gama and Columbus were classically educated men and knew the earth was round as well. It was sailors aboard their vessels, illiterate sailors, who thought the earth was flat.

            Brh

          • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 4:04 pm #

            You don’t mean…’deplorables’? 🙂

    • SoftStarLight November 10, 2019 at 11:24 am #

      Why did you have to throw in the denier epithet? It was gratuitous and snobbish in my opinion. So “normal” temperatures are those averaged over 30 years? In terms of climate, 30 years is a really short window right? Given that climate scientists say there are multi-decadal and multi-century scale climatic cycles, among others, it would seem that basing projected trends on 30 years of data is short sighted. But it does go to show that everyone needs something to believe in.

      • capt spaulding November 10, 2019 at 11:45 am #

        “Everyone needs something to believe in.” To me, climate change is not something that you need to “believe” in, climate change is something you need to “understand”. Belief is neither here nor there. Believing something does not make it true or false, it’s not based on reality, only on belief.

        By the way, the current predictions of Anthropologically caused climate change is predicted to last for centuries, even if it’s addressed immediately

        • hmuller November 10, 2019 at 11:59 am #

          We might do more good developing giant butt plugs for volcanoes. Vote for Pete!

        • SoftStarLight November 10, 2019 at 12:52 pm #

          I don’t disagree with you that we should attempt to understand climate and how it changes. In fact it seems really important since we are completely dependent on our environment and natural resources. But AGW is a theory. I’m not saying human activity doesn’t have impacts on weather and climate. But what we are discussing is ultimately in the realm of hypothesis. Scientists say that in the distant past there was a worldwide ice age when carbon dioxide levels were many times higher than today. And humans weren’t around then. It seems there are many things we still don’t understand.

          • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 1:00 pm #

            ‘Scientists say that in the distant past there was a worldwide ice age when carbon dioxide levels were many times higher than today. And humans weren’t around then. It seems there are many things we still don’t understand.”

            “Skeptical Science” 101. Look it up. There are indeed many things that you still don’t understand, but you could make a start.

          • hmuller November 11, 2019 at 8:33 am #

            You think calling something “rot” refutes all arguments. Maybe I should try that sophisticated rhetorical technique.

          • GreenAlba November 11, 2019 at 9:13 am #

            Maybe you should try being a bit more even-handed, hm, when that’s what you keep saying you want.

            Why keep attacking what I say?

            You’ve got a sentence up there in SSL’s comment that mentions, not for the first time (and not corrected for the first time) that we have ‘records going back 30 years’.

            Now I’m willing to bet that even you know that’s not true, but you didn’t point that out. Why not? In the name of, you know, balance?

            You may laugh at Skeptical Science, but it was set up to answer the same never-ending repeated denier memes that are relatively simple to clarify.

            You only need to put in a few key words like ‘CO2 levels higher in the past’ and up pop one or several articles, with references, and comments underneath, to which you are welcome to add if you wish to debate with people who know what they’re talking about or those who wish to argue with them.

            With regard to the climate record, the oldest continuous ice core records to date go back to 123,000 years in Greenland and 800,000 years in Antarctica. They enable scientists to measure the percentages of gases in the atmosphere at those times. The modern record is generally held to start in 1880 but there’s a phenomenal wealth of meteorological information out there from Galileo’s time onward just waiting for the resources to put it all together and make it available digitally.

            You could help crowdfund it if you feel so strongly. After all, you want the data to be as strong as possible, don’t you? None of us has anything to fear from actual evidence?

            Note that the researchers, the ones who are supposed to be biased, are trying to crowdfund the digitisation of all this data – not hide it in some attempt to derail real science for political reasons – just get it out there.

          • GreenAlba November 11, 2019 at 9:15 am #

            Forgot the link:

            qz.com/1055629/why-does-all-our-climate-data-start-in-1880/

        • Nightowl November 10, 2019 at 6:10 pm #

          Part of that understanding is understanding that we don’t actually understand that much about it.

          We have limited data sets, and in some cases the data gathered is not reliable. We then model potential future scenarios using that data.

          The individuals claiming the science is settled rely on belief. Science, by definition, is never settled.

          • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 7:01 pm #

            Nobody says the science is settled. The science isn’t settled about tobacco smoking and cancer either. We might find there’s something about people who choose to smoke that independently makes them susceptible to lung cancer. 🙂

            But in the meantime, we act on the best available evidence and we put great big messages on cigarette packs.

          • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 7:09 pm #

            Scientists working on climate science work on probabilities. That’s what they’ve been doing for the last 40-50 years. And the vast, vast majority of them, who have done the work that you haven’t done, accept the consensus that it is overwhelmingly probable that the current manifestation of GW is anthropogenic. Even the ones who worked for Exxon. Overwhelmingly probable is the maximum you’re allowed to say if you’re a scientist.

            It’s OK to say you don’t like the solutions proposed.
            It’s OK to say you are pissed off that an agreement was made with China and India to give them more time, since the west got their emissions in early.
            It’s OK to say you don’t think anything can realistically be done.

            None of those things contradicts the consensus on the science by the actual people who work on it. Some of them probably think it’s too late too.

          • Nightowl November 11, 2019 at 6:53 am #

            Science once also had paid spokesmen to tell us smoking was healthy.

            This goes back to an old comment of mine, addressed to you:

            Then create a forum of sorts where we (the plebes) can compare and contrast scientific findings from diverse researchers. Put the evidence out for us all to see, and show us open, public debates among scientists, so that we can get a better understanding of what “we” actually know and what it means.

            To date, the heretics have been pushed to the margins. I am not a denier, ofc, but I am also not afraid to admit I don’t understand half of what I am looking at. I suspect you don’t either.

          • GreenAlba November 11, 2019 at 8:54 am #

            The abstract is generally perfectly understandable. You can go to the meat if you want to.

            “Put the evidence out for us all to see, and show us open, public debates among scientists, so that we can get a better understanding of what “we” actually know and what it means.”

            Try RealClimate. It’s actual scientists discussing the nitty gritty as it comes up. It has archives. it’s entirely public. I’m absolutely sure it’s not the only one.

            But people prefer InfoWars, so what can you do?

            Adults can seemingly find any opinion they want by digging around the internet. They can also find someone doing the thing they’ve always secretly wanted to see someone do to a woman in five seconds flat.

            But they can’t find a forum where actual scientists discuss stuff with one another when they really really want to?

            Amazing.

          • Nightowl November 12, 2019 at 5:36 am #

            Point me toward this public forum of open debate among scientists offering differing poitns of view and backed with hard evidence.

    • hmuller November 10, 2019 at 11:26 am #

      And capt, in the history of the world were there ever fluctuations in temperature not caused by AGW? I suspect there were.

      • capt spaulding November 10, 2019 at 11:32 am #

        I agree with you, Mr. Muller, However fluctuations caused by external means, such as an asteroid, does not mean that climate change cannot be caused by human activity as well.

        • hmuller November 10, 2019 at 11:54 am #

          Anything’s possible..

          • hmuller November 10, 2019 at 11:55 am #

            “Possible” covers the entire spectrum of odds. Hence it tells us nothing about probability.

          • stelmosfire November 10, 2019 at 12:42 pm #

            Sure anythings possible. Our home, the Solar System, could enter a massive interstellar dust cloud next year. Uh oh! not much sunlight. Cold and extinction. Perhaps. Maybe Yellowstone explodes, Uh oh! Not much sunlight. Cold and extinction. Perhaps. Maybe a new ice age. We can’t explain the last one. Uh oh! cold and extinction. Perhaps. Where I sit is under 10,000 feet of ice. Man I shiver just thinking about it. Not really. I will be long gone and so will anybody I have known and anyone they may know for the next 1000 years. So really, Should I care? HOW DARE YOU? Nuclear winter is a real threat.

          • SoftStarLight November 10, 2019 at 1:02 pm #

            Scientists say we are overdue already for an ice age and for the 600 thousand year Yellowstone Caldera eruption so there are as many possibilities that it will get cold as there are for getting warmer.

          • stelmosfire November 10, 2019 at 1:06 pm #

            “The Road” by Cormac McCarthy lays it out fairly well. “When everything’s gone, the only thing left to eat is each other.”
            I saw the movie in an indy theater years ago. Armageddon was never explained but I figured it was an asteroid impact due to the earthquakes and such. Anyway Charlize Theron had the right idea when she snuffed herself in despair. Always save enough bullets for you and yours as the nameless ” Man” says to the nameless “boy”

          • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 1:08 pm #

            “Scientists say we are overdue already for an ice age…”

            Well I’m off for a cuppa in a minute, before Hell freezes over.

          • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 1:12 pm #

            ““The Road” by Cormac McCarthy lays it out fairly well. “”

            After I read that book I thought, well that’s a film I could never watch. but I did when it came on TV… Grim indeed.

          • BackRowHeckler November 10, 2019 at 3:03 pm #

            Stelmose, our ice melted off about 20,000 years ago, 2 miles thick of it over right where we sit.

            What caused the ice to melt off, and why did it freeze up in the 1st place? Ice sheet from the arctic to LI sound.

            That was the last of 5 known Ice Ages over what is now New England. They come and they go.

            Brh

          • BackRowHeckler November 10, 2019 at 3:32 pm #

            Incidentally, the end of the last Ice Age over New England created Long Island Sound, the Hudson River (NY) the Ct River and all the lakes and rivers you see around here. It also wore down some pretty big mountains.

            Soon after the Ice melted, the glaciers retreated and the Climate stabilized, a neolithic people who migrated from Siberia, moved in. When the English, Dutch, Spanish and Portugese began coming around here in the 1540s (Portugese) the Climate was much colder than it is now. The ‘Little Ice Age’ was in full swing.

            I prefer it warmer, I don’t know about you.

            Brh

  55. capt spaulding November 10, 2019 at 11:10 am #

    Maybe if I put it differently: Bad WEATHER is God’s way of temporarily punishing you. CLIMATE CHANGE is your way of permanently punishing yourself.

    • SoftStarLight November 10, 2019 at 11:29 am #

      I don’t think that helped matters Captain but its definitely a more folksy approach. Now you have me even more confused. So God controls weather, but you control climate? If I didn’t know better I would think you had a really big ego.

      • capt spaulding November 10, 2019 at 11:53 am #

        I think that I have a pretty normal ego, in fact, I think it’s one of the things that makes me so great (When you set me up with one like that, I gotta hit it, SSL).

  56. Janos Skorenzy November 10, 2019 at 1:08 pm #

    europe.infowars.com/four-migrants-charged-in-brutal-gang-rape-of-13-year-old-swedish-girl/

    Note the crucifixes these bucks are sporting. Point Alba, Walt, and Messi? Not necessarily. One has to try to uplift the people. There will be more good people in a culture that makes the effort than in a culture that doesn’t. But of course, the individual must assent. The Culture must be SERIOUS about this. As Liberalism is (in some ways). And as Christianity used to be and in some churches, still is. It was never just an individual and his or her Bible. But if some people find themselves isolated like that, well so it goes. But that’s not optimum nor Christ’s intent.

    • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 1:18 pm #

      How ridiculous that they are banned from Sweden for 15 years. Why would you ever let them back in?

      I am not interested in your imaginary point scoring.

      Constantine also used the cross for cover, of course. But he didn’t assent to baptism until just before he died, so that he could enjoy his fun.

      The cross has been used as cover for many things, as we know.

  57. BackRowHeckler November 10, 2019 at 3:41 pm #

    Actually, I’m curious

    How do you explain the Ice Ages that occurred thru out earth’s history, and the subsequent warming that made earth habitable? What caused them and how did the ice sheets eventually melt off like I said above, 20,000 years ago but in some areas as recently as 8000 years ago?

    Brh

    • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 4:01 pm #

      brh, why do you ask me these things when the information is available at the click of a mouse? There’s an entry in Wikipedia with 85 references. The Wiki article, in these cases, is just where you get the gist of the theories and the research. But 85 referenced articles is as good a place as any to start digging into the detail. The world is your oyster.

      • sprawlcapital November 10, 2019 at 4:11 pm #

        Right. You can even look up medulla oblongata.

      • BackRowHeckler November 10, 2019 at 5:02 pm #

        Ok, I looked into it.

        It said the Ice Age might be coming back.

        The only way to stop it is pump more carbon into the atmosphere.

        Buy big trucks. Drive more. Crank up the heat.

        Check, check and double check.

        Brh

        • GreenAlba November 10, 2019 at 6:55 pm #

          “It said the Ice Age might be coming back.”

          I think it mentioned 50,000 years, but I’d have to check. 🙂

      • BackRowHeckler November 10, 2019 at 5:32 pm #

        Truthfully, I try not to be wasteful.

        Walk, not drive, as much as is possible.

        Keep old machinery running, instead of buying new.

        Keep the heat low and don’t use much air conditioning in the summer.

        Have a pretty good garden.

        I didn’t even have a car until about age 25 (didn’t need one in college or the military) Mostly I used public transportation.

        Generally live a low impact life, but how much can one man do? I’m doing my part, IMHO.

        On another note, a little good news: AMTRAK ridership is growing and is close to breaking even in its finances. Nothing like steel rail to bind the country together.

        Brh

        • Majella November 10, 2019 at 5:40 pm