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Cloacal Finance

     With the kind of aplomb characteristic of a waiter lifting the silver serving dome to expose a roasted goose, Europe has looked deep into its organs of finance and produced 100 billion E-bucks for the ailing banks of sad-sack nephew Spain.  Where did all that money come from? Out of Europe’s ass. That is where all new money comes from these days: an international diarrhea of money. Maybe that is why the great nations of the West feel like shit.
     They are not likely to feel better if they keep shitting money all over themselves. Rather, they will end up sitting in the gutter in Chinatown being laughed at by Chinese businessmen passing by on the sidewalk. The Chinese businessmen will glance down and say, “Look, here are the clowns we used to see at Davos, Switzerland, every year eating foie gras. Now they are pathetic crack-heads beshitting themselves. And, hark, the lice crawling all over them are shouting and banging on pots!”
     We are those lice.
     This is what comes of pulling money out of your ass. Sorry to be so graphic but it is not a pretty story.
     The Spanish government now turns around and lends money to Spanish banks choking on bad debt. The Spanish banks will instantly vomit up bonds in return. The bonds will be of an unsecured subordinated kind as to be perceived as functionally worthless, and (according to financial flaneur Bruce Krasting) will inspire a subordinating of bond-holders all over Europe and hence either a massive dumping of bank bonds or an orgy of credit default swap bets between counterparties absolutely unable to cover their side of the wager.
      We’re at the point where money has been asked to perform like a trained monkey in the street, doing all kinds of tricks to distract the public from the sad spectacle of the monkey’s owner dying in the gutter. When the owner expires, the talented monkey will not know what to do with the coins that passersby tossed to it.
     These street scenes of late spring, 2012, represent what they call “unhealthy life choices” in the rehab business. All the once-great western economic powers have decided to become crack-heads, winos, and beggars with amusing monkeys. They are all dying of their addictions. They are all dark stories with unhappy endings. They all ended that way because the addicts refused to make different decisions that would have drawn them through a frightful passage out of their addiction into a new place with a different psychology.
     The frightful passage at issue is the reality-mandated economic contraction that the planet and its very various inhabitants require for a necessary re-set to health. The human race can either get with the program or expire in the gutter of its septic industrial slum. To fully understand the meaning of contraction, you have to at least first entertain the possibility of no further expansion. The doctors in charge of the case can’t stretch their minds to imagine that possibility, so their ministrations are at odds with the requirements of reality. Rehab is not going so well.
     Of course, we lice on this body politic will not be so happy when the body slumps against the curb and exhales its final rattle of breath. So, bang those pots and yell as loud as you can as we move into a summer of criticality. Crawl down to Charlotte, NC, or Tampa, Fla, to the political conventions, and be heard. Fellow lice: America was once a great body to live on, six-foot-three, mounted on a white steed, a sword on the hip, resolute and brave. Look at us now! See how we are!

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  1. Vlad Kramps June 11, 2012 at 8:29 am #

    First!

  2. kulturcritic* June 11, 2012 at 8:29 am #

    The lies and the new real estate ventures just keep building, don’t they James?
    http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/capture-the-flag-just-another-divine-comedy/
    best, kC

  3. Leibowitz Society June 11, 2012 at 8:35 am #

    The financial system has become a giant ouroboros, but the snake has a dozen different heads and as many tails, all in a giant tangle, like a bucket of clamworms ready for dissection. The course is not changing, the ship is not turning, because it was built without a rudder. We can only wait and prepare for when collapse arrives.
    Visit The Leibowitz Society at http://leibowitzsociety.blogspot.com for discussion and commentary relating to our collapse and future.

  4. charliefoxtrot June 11, 2012 at 8:39 am #

    Whew! that s quite an expressive image suh…cloacal finance! indeed, the EU have pulled it out of their ass; now ireland is lining up for another turn at the [trough, spigot, toilet,fountain- pick one]; guess we ll see if the banksters “brought” enough for everyone…

  5. xhalor June 11, 2012 at 8:46 am #

    Hot dogs! Hey, hot dogs! Get ’em while they’re hot! Spanish bonds! Got Spanish bonds here! Three for a dollar! Peanuts! Get yer fresh peanuts…
    I fully expect to be able to buy Spanish bonds from a vending machine located right next to the condom dispenser at the Ontario Motor Speedway.

  6. ozone June 11, 2012 at 8:48 am #

    Please do not apologize for using graphic images for what is befalling us (fer shits sake)!
    Sometimes a slap is necessary to awaken the body politic as it drunkenly lolls, beshitting itself.
    Plus, you use the language exceedingly well, which makes it entertaining, in a macabre sorta way.
    Would that more people could express themselves ick-ily with such panache! ;o)
    Signed,
    -Fellow Nit
    (I know, that’s just the egg casing; I’ll have to look up what a single “lice” would be called…)

  7. coast watcher June 11, 2012 at 8:50 am #

    China should enjoy reveling in our demise while it can. When bodies die, the lice infecting it crawl away to infect other living things.
    BTW, shouldn’t that be 100 billion, not 100 million, in the first graf?

  8. ozone June 11, 2012 at 8:51 am #

    Oh, “louse”. Sorry, momentary shut-down of the neurons there…

  9. mark June 11, 2012 at 8:57 am #

    Most (of us) know the sad state of our state. However, not a single place have I seen the WHY of how we got here.
    so I’ll supply the why:
    A debt based monetary system (which is what we got) is designed/doomed to fail. Works great as long as the lice have the means to borrow money as that is the only way new money gets into the system (excluding QE). Even the government is forced to borrow it’s own money!!! It’s a ponzi scheme. New money carries the seeds of our destruction as more debt is created with every dollar borrowed into existence.
    There is no way out. The end is assured. Destruction of debt money as a monetary system.
    How that gets done is still a mystery… probably won’t be good.

  10. Bicycle Tourist June 11, 2012 at 9:01 am #

    I’ve never understood the concept of continual unlimited economic expansion. It seems to me that that would entail unlimited population expansion.
    It would not end well.

  11. pequiste June 11, 2012 at 9:03 am #

    Jim, perfect breakfast talk this A.M. with all of the scatological references, lice, and gutter dwellers. I think, however, in referring to those necromancers, the International Banking Cartel: IMF, World Bank, Central Banks, Wall Street etc., the metaphor of cannibals for the bankers and the nations (and the people) as the repast is better suited. Like the recent cannibal attack in Miami (or Maryland, or Canada for that matter,) naked and unashamed of lunch selection, one Rudy Eugene dined on the poor, homeless Mr Poppo who lost most of his face and remains in critical condition. We, indeed, entire countries, are being eaten alive by the money-changers ( that reminds me – where is John Corzine?) I cannot imagine what/who is for dessert?

  12. newworld June 11, 2012 at 9:06 am #

    Well Jim you could tell your relatives to stop going on the air or in print telling the goofs in the financial rackets to keep doubling down. Even Ben Stein who I thought was leveled headed was pimping for the “system” yesterday.

  13. ozone June 11, 2012 at 9:09 am #

    “To fully understand the meaning of contraction, you have to at least first entertain the possibility of no further expansion. The doctors in charge of the case can’t stretch their minds to imagine that possibility, so their ministrations are at odds with the requirements of reality. Rehab is not going so well.” -JHK
    Mr. James,
    This is the part of your missive that I find constantly mystifying. The pretending that things are something other than what they are.
    I don’t think we’re understanding who and what the entrenched status quo benefits, otherwise this utter foolishness would not continue.
    (I guess we all prefer our lies to be on the comforting side, as well, but this can-kicking is only exacerbating the conditions for societal upheaval; seemingly exponentially, at that.)
    “They tried to make me go to rehab but I said ‘no, no, no’
    Yes I’ve been black but when I come back you’ll know know know
    I ain’t got the time and if my daddy thinks I’m fine
    He’s tried to make me go to rehab but I won’t go go go
    I’d rather be at home with ray
    I ain’t got seventy days
    Cause there’s nothing
    There’s nothing you can teach me
    That I can’t learn from Mr Hathaway”
    So, how’s Ms. Winehouse doing these days? Oh… denial of the problem didn’t work out all that well? Next case!

  14. scott June 11, 2012 at 9:12 am #

    There is some irony in the word apocalypse being a Greek word that means lifting of the veil of truth in an era where the majority of mankind is dominated by falsehood and misconception.
    There is usually a considerable amount of chaos following these lifting of the veil moments in history as everyone struggles to adjust to the great reset of perceptions back towards the new reality.
    I think the primary falsehood and misconception (of many) that the majority of mankind is currently dominated by is the idea that debt and money are one in the same. The majority of mankind currently believes that a problem of too much debt can be solved by more debt.
    Another falsehood that the majority believes is the idea that the world is powered by money and more money will always produce more resources. Nevermind that most of our money is really debt in the form of claim checks against future resources.
    A time is coming this year and into the next where the light bulb goes off that there are way more claims against resources than the future could ever produce. The current global free floating exchange rate system has only been around for about forty years while just listening to the majority you would think it had been around for forty forevers.

  15. ccm989 June 11, 2012 at 9:15 am #

    I am not worried about Spain or Iceland or Ireland or Greece. I am worried about the USA and our ability to withstand another meltdown. Because another meltdown is coming due to Congress taking funds away from the oversight committees and the investigators who look for cheats. If no one is there to oversee Wall Street, what’s to prevent Wall Street from engaging in activities creating another 2008 Financial Meltdown? No one on Wall Street ever goes to jail because nothing is ever investigated. Or is Congress so corrupt that they don’t want anyone looking too closely or we might see their hands in pockets they don’t belong in, helping themselves to loot that isn’t theirs to begin with.
    Spain can collapse. Greece can implode. If the US does, than everything else will tip over like a line of dominoes. And then we’re all cooked. Common sense tells you that only an insane person would allow this to happen. But Congress isn’t insane. It must be corruption, plain and simple. Nobody ever goes to jail anymore so Congress feels free to grab everything they can. Absolute greed and corruption trump sworn duty and common sense. And to think, we pay their salaries — pay them to rob us! Disgusting! Here is the NYT’s link —
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/10/opinion/sunday/lost-the-vote-deny-the-money.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

  16. Desertrat June 11, 2012 at 9:16 am #

    mark, the folks at the Agora Publishing group (Bonner, et al) and the Doug Casey bunch have been screaming at the causal hows and whys for years and years. Many, many others as well.
    The reasons have been becoming ever more obvious since around 2006/2007. Articles discussing them aren’t in the MSM, of course, but they are indeed numerous.

  17. anotherplayaguy June 11, 2012 at 9:21 am #

    “Fellow lice: America was once a great body to live on, six-foot-three, mounted on a white steed, a sword on the hip, resolute and brave.”
    When was that exactly? When we were pillaging our own continent or when, after we hit the west coast, we went on to despoil the rest of the world? Americans like to think of themselves in such heroic terms, but then psychopaths usually do.

  18. ozone June 11, 2012 at 9:21 am #

    Thanks, Scott.
    Again, who would benefit from this mistaken perception?:
    “The current global free floating exchange rate system has only been around for about forty years while just listening to the majority you would think it had been around for forty forevers.”

  19. progress2conserve June 11, 2012 at 9:34 am #

    “To fully understand the meaning of contraction, you have to at least first entertain the possibility of no further expansion.”
    -jhk-
    Well said, JHK!
    And as long as the population of the US increases through incoming immigration – we force ourselves, and the rest of the World, to continue expanding toward the edge of the cliff.
    Join NumbersUSA
    Join FAIR.
    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/

  20. Dirk June 11, 2012 at 9:34 am #

    “To fully understand the meaning of contraction, you have to at least first entertain the possibility of no further expansion.”
    Precisely the issue at hand. It is unimaginable, unthinkable, untenable to us that growth is at an end. Therefore, to pretend it is not; that the debt crisis can be ‘fixed’ without a drastic reduction in living standards, debt itself has now become the new inverted currency; the new ecomomic drug de jour. It is bundled and sold like dry goods. How sad for ‘investors’ keen on garnering that comfy retirement. Boy are they going to be pissed when all that ‘wealth’ turns out to be worth, well, nothing.

  21. malthus June 11, 2012 at 9:36 am #

    More people more unsolvable problems. What fun.

  22. Dirk June 11, 2012 at 9:40 am #

    “To fully understand the meaning of contraction, you have to at least first entertain the possibility of no further expansion.”
    Precisely the issue at hand. It is unimaginable, unthinkable, untenable to us that growth is at an end. Therefore, to pretend it is not; that the debt crisis can be ‘fixed’ without a drastic reduction in living standards, debt itself has now become the new inverted currency; the new ecomomic drug de jour. It is bundled and sold like dry goods. How sad for ‘investors’ keen on garnering that comfy retirement. Boy are they going to be pissed when all that ‘wealth’ turns out to be worth, well, nothing.

  23. Neon Vincent June 11, 2012 at 9:41 am #

    Lice banging pots on a dying body works not only as a metaphor for citizens in a society with a dysfunctional economy, but also for the inhabitants of a biosphere that is starving, sick, and running a fever. Last week, an international team of scientists from the United States, Canada, South America and Europe published a study in Nature stating that the Earth was heading toward a tipping point in the very near future because of overpopulation, habitat destruction, and climate change. We may be nearer that tipping point than we realize, as the U.S. just completed its warmest spring on record. While metro Detroit is seeing trees leaf out and fireflies appear earlier than ever before, not all is good with a warmer Michigan. These could be signs that things are seriously out of wack. To put concerns about the economy in perspective, without nature, there is no society. Without society, there is no economy.
    I blogged about the tipping point study over at Crazy Eddie’s Motie News this morning. Other topics this past week included China’s efforts at sustainability and the Sino-American relationship, Michigan’s Republican Secretary of State screwing over the Libertarians (Democrats aren’t the GOP’s only rivals), Paul Krugman “wagging the Dalek” on Bill Maher’s show, and the aftermath of the Wisconsin recalls, including a special song for corn pone fascists.
    Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit!
    http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

  24. 3rd Generation June 11, 2012 at 9:46 am #

    Why isn’t Eric Holder in Prison ? and never mind his boss who looks to soon be facing his own Watergate-Style moment.
    The tide is out.
    The emperor and his cronies are All Naked.
    What a pitiful, disgusting site.
    america, Nation of Nothing and Crooked Nobodies.
    ps: In case you didn’t know this, the Private Sector is doing fine. More union thug cops and fireman is the answer.

  25. empirestatebuilding June 11, 2012 at 9:46 am #

    when you don’t have true expansion, the only way to get richer is to take the money from someone else. It looks like expansion, but only for so long as there is money to steal. In our case, the masters are stealing from the slaves.
    Oddly enough the slaves are giving it to them willingly.
    The Chinese are clearly doing the same thing as the Europeans and US in terms of creating Vapor money. Their illusion will end as ours does, with a great reset.
    We humans never do something unless we are forced to. We won’t hit the rest button until it hits us first. At that point, after a great conflagration, some leaders will emerge to show the remaining slaves the way to salvation.
    Aimlow Joe was here
    http://www.aimlow.com

  26. William Hunter Duncan June 11, 2012 at 9:46 am #

    Meanwhile, high gas prices destroy demand, while lowering prices make all that fracking and tar sands removal uneconomic, which happens to be the only thing preventing a decline in supply: aka Peak Oil. But they won’t say it, because they’re too busy plundering the place.
    http://www.offthegridmpls.blogspot.com

  27. popcine June 11, 2012 at 9:53 am #

    I Am A Beggar Always by E. E. Cummings

    you might as well
    toss him a few thoughts
    a little love preferably,
    anything which you can’t
    pass off on other people: for
    instance a
    plugged promise-

  28. Newfie June 11, 2012 at 10:03 am #

    “We have evolved a culture so heavily dependent upon the continuance of exponential growth for its stability that it is incapable of reckoning with problems of non-growth … it behooves us … to begin a serious examination of the … cultural adjustments necessary … before unmanageable crises arise…” – M. King Hubbert?
    Just about everyone is so completely brainwashed by our culture that the last thing people will think of will be the impossibility of never ending exponential growth. Reality is simply not going to dawn on most people, even as the system collapses all around. The myths and delusions we live by blind us from Reality. Ask the Romans or the Easter Islanders.

  29. Glaucus June 11, 2012 at 10:03 am #

    Wow Jim,
    That was a tour de force! The imagery portrayed was very provocative – a triumphant knight on a proud steed to a soiled, leprosy-ridden crack addict. How far we have fallen, truly.
    I do take exception to being called a louse, but I’ve been called worse. Perhaps you’re suggesting we each have a small role to play in this mess? I believe that to be true.
    As a side note: I don’t mind the body politic defecating money as long as some rains down on me in particular, as opposed to the banksters exclusively!
    -glaucus
    [url]www.planningdown.wordpress.com[/url]

  30. lsjogren June 11, 2012 at 10:07 am #

    ccm989:
    I suggest you take a listen to the segment on financialsense of Friday about financial derivatives.
    The banks have a massive labyrinth of phony bond insurance they have bought and sold amongst each other known as credit default swaps.
    This is 100% legal.
    But the punchline in my view from that interview is this:
    Why doesn’t Congress reform the system by regulating or outlawing derivatives?
    Because then it would be exposed that the banks are all bankrupt, they would all blow up, and we would have a financial crash that make 2008 look the good old days.
    The banks have explained this to Congress. That is why they don’t regulate.

  31. ozone June 11, 2012 at 10:08 am #

    Cast your minds back, Poppets, waaaaay back to Saturday last… [mental meandering music cued]
    Some icky thought on “cloacal finance” enemas from Ilargi:
    “So reality is off the cards. No truth for you; word is you can’t handle it. And if you can’t handle the truth, what are the chances you can handle reality when it catches up with you?
    And now that we’re asking questions, answer me this one: where’s the growth going to come from that your leaders are dangling before you?
    Tick ’em off: not from Spain, not from Greece, that’s the easy ones. Not from the PIIGS. And not from the FANG countries (Finland, Austria, Netherlands, Germany): their production numbers are falling as we speak. Not from the US, which are hopelessly stuck in their unemployment swamp (officially and unofficially), which have a housing market that has a long way down ahead yet even with (or because of) 40 million underwater “homeowners“, and which have so much government debt only divine intervention would offer solace (which is perhaps why so many Americans attend church). And not from China either, where numbers are falling so hard a soft landing looks like a faraway dream.
    This is a classic Mexican stand-off. Europe can’t afford to save Spain, and it can’t afford to not save it. I’ve said it before: there is no solution for Europe. In its battle for credibility, it destroys that very credibility, since it has no choice but to expose its weaknesses in the process.”
    Icky details of the shit-sammich fillings:
    http://theautomaticearth.com/Finance/europe-a-thousand-miles-behind.html

  32. mark June 11, 2012 at 10:10 am #

    Yes, they write about the facts of debt money but never the truth of debt money. Want to know why our freedoms are being whittled away? – we’re no longer citizens, we’re consumers; because only consumers(excluding QE) can borrow new money into the system… so what’s you’re value to the state? only that you can borrow new money into the system…absent that ability, you have zero value. That’s why money is moving to Asia… it’s not just factories and cheap labor… it’s that they’re fodder for bankers… they can borrow new money into existence…we can’t.
    What’s the end game for a people who no longer have value? Like us. Why are we engaged in pointless wars… that sap our strength, capital, and values… are we not being stripped to the bone so as not to present a threat to the worlds new enforcer – China.
    Truths are much more valuable than mere facts… but without facts you’re unlikely to arrive at the correct truths, especially so if all you’ve been trained to do is look at facts…
    so much more but that’s enough for now.

  33. ozone June 11, 2012 at 10:11 am #

    Honor the contract? Abide by the treaty? Pretend there’s actual credibility and solvency?
    What, are you fuckin’ kidding me?
    Oh yes, there will be balkings…

  34. Dirk June 11, 2012 at 10:11 am #

    I couldn’t agree more. America likes to think of itself as a ‘Christian’ nation but based on history and by all present appearances we never have been nor will we ever be.

  35. scott June 11, 2012 at 10:11 am #

    I think the majority of mankind has benefited at least in the short term. I read a statistic that 25% of all goods and services ever produced in the history of mankind have been consumed in just the past 10 years. It is going to be difficult to maintain that sort of trajectory of parabolic production and consumption.
    The fixed rate exchange based on a dollar pegged at $38 the ounce gold failed because U.S. resource production peaked along with U.S. oil production and was eclipsed by debt creation. President Nixon defaulted on the global fixed rate established after WWII by closing the gold window in 1971 and the World went strictly fiat thus extrapolating U.S. production globally and essentially extrapolating a failed regional economic model globally.
    The same fundamentals that caused the U.S economic model to fail 1n 1971 are now in place globally except now there is no other worlds left to extrapolate infinite growth in production, consumption and debt creation.

  36. Dirk June 11, 2012 at 10:14 am #

    Explain how we got here? Really? For starters, unsustainable standard of living, finite resources of a tiny planet and greed, greed, greed. Pretty easy to understand.

  37. Widespreadpanic7 June 11, 2012 at 10:16 am #

    Ambrose Bierce or Louis Ferdinand Celine couldna said it better. This is why we’re here.
    –WSP7

  38. K June 11, 2012 at 10:17 am #

    So, it seems that with that $125 Billion bailout, the can has been kicked down the road one more time. The spectacle when the solids eventually hit the fan en masse is sure to be something to behold.
    http://www.Thesisa.org/

  39. PRD June 11, 2012 at 10:26 am #

    We were going to go to Paris (first time) in September. Don’t know if we’ll make it with all the sh*t flying around in Europe — what will the economy look like in 3 months??? I always wondered if the air travel system would fall apart before we made this trip, now I wonder about the crumbling economy “across the pond” happening first.
    Or — could it make it better (cheaper) for travelers? That is, assuming there aren’t violent marches, looting, and rioting!

  40. Jimmy Drinkwater June 11, 2012 at 10:29 am #

    I had to look up cloacal and it ain’t pretty. It even comes up as a misspelled on my browser, lol.
    Perhaps befitting an errant species of hungry ghosts, one that never learned the meaning of when enough was enough.
    http://alttransbikes.blogspot.com/

  41. charliefoxtrot June 11, 2012 at 10:29 am #

    @both of you, actually: it occurs to me that the only way the ‘financial system’ CAN work- for lack of a better word (sorry for all-caps; i can t find itallics) is if only the banks get the money/debt; otherwise, inflation becomes an instant factor…combined with the Bank’s obligations, and with aimlowjoe’s observation re suspension of growth etc, civil war is at least IMnotsoHO a BEST case scenario…

  42. mark June 11, 2012 at 10:33 am #

    Wrong, wrong, and more wrong.
    A corrupt monetary system got us here. Those things you cite, and many more, are simply symptoms.
    Debt money is a fraud on the people. A fraudulent monetary system encourages fraud at every level of public and private life. And that’s what we got.
    Look around you and discover real truths about what we are.

  43. charliefoxtrot June 11, 2012 at 10:49 am #

    almost like in order to save the world, we gotta give europe to germany after all…shudder

  44. Belisarius June 11, 2012 at 10:50 am #

    Yes, the Euro-peons have been set up to take the first major hit. And yes, the Chinese will be peeing on them as they roll in the gutter; but not for long. The Chinese will have a consequent financial paroxysm, as will USA. They might even go first. Afterwards, the oligarchy hopes to rule a world composed almost entirely of peons.
    The financial oligarchy controls all the central banks, all major political parties, all western governments and most major western corporations including all of the major financials and media. There appears to be collusion because they all serve the same masters. Conflict, when allowed, is directed to profit the oligarchy, and/or reduce participants to enhance their control.
    This situation cannot be “reformed”, as anyone in a position to do so is part of or subject to the control group. This system is not sustainable, because limited resources cannot expand and the parasites are killing the hosts by demanding more for each “fix”. The oligarchy is well aware of the required contraction. Their current task is to slow and direct the collapse, seize as much real wealth as possible, and obsfucate their role, so their designated survivors are in position to control the remnant population through what arises to rule it.

  45. charliefoxtrot June 11, 2012 at 10:51 am #

    well said, so far…

  46. azgog June 11, 2012 at 10:53 am #

    For a $125 billion burger today I will gladly pay you Tuesday…
    Its like watching a multiple vehicle pileup on the freeway in extreme slow motion.

  47. scott June 11, 2012 at 11:05 am #

    “The problem is not Government debt per se. The real problem is the $70 trillion in G10 debt is collateral for $700 trillion in derivatives.”
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/95493792/The-End-Game

  48. ozone June 11, 2012 at 11:08 am #

    Thanks again.
    Astounding how the “rest of the world” went along with that scenario for a few measly burnt crumbs from the edge of the pie.

  49. sevenmmm June 11, 2012 at 11:09 am #

    Hard-ass post. Too bad this tough talk will be minimized by those who really need to consider it.
    The state will want to take action to quell the coming uprising, jack-booted thugs, stormtroopers, holy warriors, will all be summoned.
    They will all battle the people as long as they are willing to fight for nothing.

  50. budizwiser June 11, 2012 at 11:12 am #

    Well – everybody likes a good rant. And this week’s was as good as any – no use in spending effort at thoughtful prose. “They” don’t get it – and even if they hear your screaming they are just as likely to laugh you off…..
    Which brings me to this week’s attempt to elucidate thoughtful discussion from this vacuous pit of scat and drivel.
    What do I want to know? Who are they?
    How monolithic is the “cause” of the rich? Are there no schisms among them? Are they all equally greedy? All equally guilty?
    How can the masses respond to debt/slave Masters that are largely anonymous? What organizations do these Masters commandeer for their own selfish purposes?
    Is there no way to at least attach a moniker or symbol to their villainy?
    Am I supposed to rage against “the one percent?”
    Please continue Clusterfuck below?

  51. ozone June 11, 2012 at 11:15 am #

    Hate your prospectus…
    But, just because I hate it doesn’t make it any less plausible.
    (Lyrical possibilities percolating from the “obfuscation” comment.)

  52. Puzzler June 11, 2012 at 11:25 am #

    Reminds me of the comic Ron White, who said about his excessive drinking:
    “I woke up this morning and somebody had shit my pants.”

  53. ozone June 11, 2012 at 11:30 am #

    Well, aren’t YOU gonna tell ME? ;o)
    That would be what the obfuscation is alllllll about.
    Go public and go directly to the nearest lamp-post, dark basement or shallow grave. The military/security state is put in place to protect _______. Fill that blank in correctly and you’ll always find the perps. (Big Dick Cheney and his sidekick, Shrubbery would provide a glaring, unveiled example.)

  54. Belisarius June 11, 2012 at 11:34 am #

    Tough question to answer, short of book length.
    One decent analysis of “who are they?” can be found at Silver Bear Cafe in several essays.
    PigsWings2
    might be a good place to start

  55. BeingThere June 11, 2012 at 11:34 am #

    Thanks as always for your Monday morning post, JHK
    Political and Economic Inertia doesn’t mean we aren’t sliding into collapse.
    You have a choice—fast collapse or slow mo collapse.
    Obama had the moment in 2008 that could have changed the trajectory of collapse, but he chose instead to continue the policies. As you say, JHK, we had to take some nasty tasting medicine, but we may have been out of the eye of the hurricane by now. He had his chance and blew it!
    Now he’s left saying the private sector is doing swell.
    Who is he referring to –the Banksters? The transnational CEO’s?
    All those benefiting from inverted communism?
    He could have done the Reagan move which was to put the banks into receivership and criminalize their activities due, or course to the very deregulations that created the monster. If Reagan did it, so could Obama.
    Imagine if the untouchables like Corzine and Dimon joined their friend Madoff and some Mafia characters in jail –imagine the brilliant and talented plans they could have hatched together.
    But seriously imagine if they re-instated Glass Steagall and these idiots couldn’t do the derivatives dance anymore. Maybe the stock market and IRA’s for retirement would have been a safer place to put your money.
    The counter-intuitive move was to keep doing the same thing. It’s Bubbles Global Inc. and it’s eating the Eurozone as we speak.
    Yep they bought into our financial neoliberal model and now they’re doing the bailouts thing—watch the whole thing go down like a dead whale.
    The 1rst world, formerly known as the industrialized nations have been replaced with the new industrial BRIC nations with growth a-go-go–that is until we can’t pay for the goods anymore, or they pay their workers as much as we make to buy the products—then were are the masters of the universe going to go?
    Yesterday Fareed Zakaria talked about shale gas being the big game-changer for the golden age of gas.
    JHK, I do hope you review and refute this.(GPS)
    [And in a short time, its success has led to the drilling of 20,000 wells in America, the creation of hundreds of thousands of jobs, and a guaranteed supply of gas for perhaps 100 years. The International Energy Agency says global gas production will rise 50% by the year 2035; two-thirds of that growth will come from unconventional sources like shale — a market the U.S. completely dominates.]…
    [Let’s figure out how to make fracking cleaner and safer. We can regulate the process with good, simple rules. The benefits are immense and the problems manageable.]
    Oh yes, indeedy. In the age of No Regulation we’re going to regulate safety…Hey Fareed I’ve got some land….

  56. DurangoKid June 11, 2012 at 11:40 am #

    The purpose of banking is to gain control of the supply of money and then charge rent for everyone else to use it.

  57. Hammering Truth June 11, 2012 at 11:56 am #

    The crackhead Keynesians are in control. With Rand Paul’s endorsement of Romney the neocon dynasty continues: http://youtu.be/mwZ882XxjhU

  58. ozone June 11, 2012 at 11:58 am #

    “Yesterday Fareed Zakaria talked about shale gas being the big game-changer for the golden age of gas.” -BT
    Apparently, Fareed discounts (or perhaps, sneers at) Russian analysis of these gassy emissions. Since these resources are something they’re pretty well “into” and knowledgeable about, maybe somebody should take some stock in their opinion, rather than that of the esteemed shill, Zakaria.
    http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/05/shale-gas-view-from-russia.html#more

  59. jwhands4u June 11, 2012 at 12:03 pm #

    Hey Jim, it’s a little off topic but thought you and others might find this interesting. It relates partially to your own movement back to rural America. Keep spreading the “light” cable!
    http://www.startribune.com/local/158326255.html

  60. scott June 11, 2012 at 12:09 pm #

    JHK has stated numerous times that he believes that “fracking” and shale gas is a Ponzi scheme.
    Take away the financialization of the oil and gas industry in the U.S. and suddenly it isn’t nearly as “profitable” as it used to be. It takes alot more resources than dollars to produce shale gas.

  61. wardoc June 11, 2012 at 12:20 pm #

    James: Good commentary on the stage we are currently entering.
    This is the beginning of the period where people in the US as a group begin to panic, as they see their standard of living collapse process speed up.
    My teenage daughter just returned from Europe and the first shocking thing out of her mouth was, “Dad, you were right about the dollar, its almost garbage. I exchanged by dollars for pounds and got back about half; then when I bought things in pounds and euros my money got chewed up twice as fast as I thought. I had to watch every penny I had.” Oh no!!!! Watching every penny. Something new for the millennials !!!
    Aside from a good object lesson in “pinching” her pennies, she saw first hand the decline of the dollar, as did all of her school mates, and they were all shocked.
    This is the first stage of the US Dollar’s co-morbid demise with the rest of our economy and former culture. Next will be the starving masses seeking food after the grocery stores and gasoline tanks are empty due to a full on dollar collapse late this summer or fall. That’s when it gets really interesting in terms of survival.
    At that point none of us will be on the internet discussing anything; we will be trying to survive. Bet on it.
    Lock and load, quickly.
    Wardoc

  62. SeaYoung June 11, 2012 at 12:24 pm #

    Jim,
    You really do have to credit the PTB for sliding us along for a good four – five years. I believe elongating this fiscal calamity (beginning 2007) has actually saved us from total and certain breakdown. Sure, in the end aggregate pain suffered will have been the same. Think of a cat playing with a mouse. Death is sure to come, but you can’t tell the mouse that. As long as he’s breathing, he’s got a chance. Maybe, just maybe…

  63. Bixel June 11, 2012 at 12:27 pm #

    And while all of this is going on, there just happens to be a rather large amount of radioactive shit floating to our shores from Japan. A coincidence? Perhaps not.

  64. BeingThere June 11, 2012 at 12:30 pm #

    The problem is that millions watch Zakaria. He is carrying a PR message to people and that will effect what happens when the Republicans insist that Obama doesn’t want to create jobs because the Keystone pipeline analysis is going on.
    When a voice such as Kunstler’s is not being heard because no TV station will carry his message, we are in for a big blow-out surprise aren’t we?
    I’m not asking JHK to discuss it here, I’m just calling attention to the fact that this falsehood is going on and it’s the information people are being given.
    It’s drowning out those like Heinberg and others that we can’t us the growth paradigm anymore.
    Oh, the smoke and mirrors!

  65. miik June 11, 2012 at 12:33 pm #

    I enjoyed your book – The Witch of Hebron.
    More coming?

  66. Altamira June 11, 2012 at 12:39 pm #

    JHK I enjoy your writing, I’m a long time reader, 1st time commenting. Shale gas, finite resources and modern economics are explained very very well at this book review: http://advisorperspectives.com/newsletters12/pdfs/Energy_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations.pdf

  67. MoncriefJ June 11, 2012 at 1:02 pm #

    Jim, you are positively obsessed witht the idea of protesting political conventions this summer. I suppose it’s because you’d like to see 2012 become 1968 redux, in terms of it all coming apart?
    Sorry to say, but presidential nominating conventions are boring coronations to most Americans, with their primetime coverage a fraction of what it was 40 years ago. Also, 2008 was a scarier year for financial meltdown, and there was no great protesting at, of all places, a nominating convention. I know firsthand that St. Paul, Minnesota (site of the GOP convention) was on absolute lockdown.
    People should protest, but at a presidential coronation and PR session of all places? Update your paradigm, man!

  68. Al Klein June 11, 2012 at 1:06 pm #

    Seems to me the problem is very simple. Axiom: all systems have a finite capacity beyond which they become unsustainable. Our current economic “system” has surpassed the capacity for carrying all the fraudulent financial “instruments” which have been assigned “value” without their being the result of real wealth generating activities. Thus we are about to learn why fraud – taken to its extremes – is so corrosive. It crowds out legitimate wealth generating activity. Now all this should be obvious to a person with a brain. So what’s the problem? Another axiom: those who benefit from a financial system will thwart any change no matter how corrupt or unsustainable that system is. The net-net of these observations? We have the irresistable force meetingthe immovable object. Result? Indeterminate in the near and medium term. Ultimate result? Major paradigm shift. We shall see.

  69. Vlad Krandz June 11, 2012 at 1:27 pm #

    Yes George Wasinton was 6 foot 3 or 4 can could decapitate an Indian or Redcoat with one slash of his sword. People used to be proud of things like that. Americans used to all be like Vlad Krandz before they got “civilized” and sick, ashamed of being Great, White, or even Alive.

  70. Vlad Krandz June 11, 2012 at 1:32 pm #

    Quite true: you don’t see many Chinese bums. One morning in Boston I saw a Chinese Man walk by a very rare Chinese Bum. The Chinese Man became enraged that a fellow Chinese would let himself fall into such a state in a Land of Opportunity like America. In old China, there were many – but it usually wasn’t their fault then and there.
    What excuse do Whites and Blacks have? That we lack the pride of the Chinese would sadden our ancestors who had the very same virtues at the very least. Christian or Confucian – both believe in hard work, prudence, savings, and fillial piety.

  71. Grouchy Old Girl June 11, 2012 at 1:42 pm #

    CCM, when will people like you learn that the USA is not a stand-alone entity. What happens in Europe affects your country too, ignoring their troubles isn’t a strategy that will work.
    Some of us outsiders think the world was a better place when the US took a hands-off approach to events outside its borders. Now that Americans think they are the natural rulers of the entire world things haven’t been going so well. Was it not the American shenanigans led by Wall Street that caused the collapse of 2008? At least the Europeans are trying to patch it back together now, what has the USA done to prevent it happening again?
    Like it or not it’s one world, baby, and we’d better start working together. Fast.

  72. scott June 11, 2012 at 1:54 pm #

    The, “who are they” is us–the majority of mankind. It certainly isn’t the 1%ers, the 1%’ers are scared shitless right about now. Not because they are afraid of pitchforks and torches but because of fear of the unknown. What comes next is anyones guess once we start sorting out what money is again.
    I imagine many of the 1%’ers are scratching their heads as to why the rest of us are still trading worthless pieces of paper for real things — like hard earned labor.
    I am certain that after it is widely accepted that our debt money has become worthless there will still be many trying to trade paper for real things even though they will be risking their lives in the process depending upon whether those on the other end of the trade are still in denial or are aware. There will not be an official announcement that our currency has failed. As more and more people get burned by holding worthless paper they will be forced to trade in other ways. There isn’t another economic model waiting in the wings to replace this one. New money will not suddenly appear overnight to replace the old failed currency. It will take years until finally no one for generations will even think about accepting debt money again.

  73. Vlad Krandz June 11, 2012 at 2:00 pm #

    Have to agree with you though you’re a louse. Since the system is a Giant Lie and has been since 1913, why should we be bound by the laws and treaties passed since then? Specifically, why should we should let ourselves be bound and shackled and sold into slavery – unto the 7the generation?
    Let’s write the Bankers a gigantic Check – and then let them find someone to cash it. In other words, pay them back in the same tin coin they have palmed off on us. But pay them back with our labor, our land, our homes, our sweat, our blood, our children’s lives – are you fucking kidding me?

  74. orbit7er June 11, 2012 at 2:02 pm #

    I do not agree with Jim Kunstler’s statement:

    “All the once-great western economic powers have decided to become crack-heads, winos, and beggars with amusing monkeys. They are all dying of their addictions. They are all dark stories with unhappy endings. They all ended that way because the addicts refused to make different decisions that would have drawn them through a frightful passage out of their addiction into a new place with a different psychology.”

    Actually, ironically, the 2 great losers of the last World War, Japan and Germany, ARE adapting to the new realities. Japan has few energy resources already but has been forced to cut back night lighting and other energy wasting activities with the nukes shutdown. Also for years Japan has invested in Green Transit with the first high speed rail, well connected to local public transit in all cities.

    Germany is also well-started on its Green Transition since the Greens coaxed them into it decades ago. Contrariwise to the Corporate punditrocracy that predicted both economic collapse and a huge spike in Greenhouse emissions when Germany accelerated its nuke shutdown, it cut energy usage 5% last year, greenhouse emissions 2% and enjoyed a 5% economic growth rate. Primarily by keeping more Green renewable energy for themselves instead of exporting it and accelerating their existing Green insulation project. I have not seen figures for German auto mileage which is probably part of their improvement since they already have invested in alternatives to auto addiction but a German poster in theoildrum.com posted that their auto usage has contracted.

    Not that Germany can continue to grow forever but they certainly have a much more sustainable model.

  75. lsjogren June 11, 2012 at 2:28 pm #

    I disagree with those who say debt money is inherently evil.
    I think the Modern Monetarists have some intelligent things to say about money.
    (their policy agenda, on the other hand, I think makes no sense)
    But as to monetary policy: The MMs assert that in our current system, money is created when the government spends money it does not collect back in taxes. In other words, federal deficits create the money supply. It appears to me that the logical extension of that view is that the money supply is one and the same with the national debt.
    Now you have got the hard money advocates, the Ron Paul types, who say fiat money systems never survive because government prints currency in order to finance consumption today at the expense of future generations. And that clearly appears to be something happening today.
    But the counterargument to the argument that fiat money systems have throughout history always eventually failed, is that throughout history, hard money systems have always eventually failed as well. That is because it is just too attractive to political leaders to loot the future to provide goodies for the present generation.
    So it seems to me that both hard money and fiat money are systems that eventually crash. Hence, it would seem to me that one can say that of the two primary alternatives mankind has come up with as monetary systems, both inevitably lead to periodic collapses of the economy.
    And I can imagine that when one fails it leads to a popular groundswell to adopt the other. So it seems very plausible to me that when the current fiat money system collapses that the world will attempt to reinstate a gold standard. And that will work for a while, until the desire for people to get something for nothing leads the system to collapse, in which case the people of the world will decide hard money was a failed concept, so they will revert back to a fiat money system.
    The bottom line is that major economic collapse on a periodic basis is probably something that is inevitable until the end of human history.

  76. lsjogren June 11, 2012 at 2:35 pm #

    Orbit7er:
    I see little evidence that Germany has been successful with alternative energy. They spent massive amounts on solar and yet it provides a fraction of 1% of their energy.
    Japan is now understandably wary of nuclear and is stepping up its fossil fuel use. It hopes to have renewables be a linchpin of its energy economy.
    I sincerely hope it succeeds. If anyone can figure out how to make renewables a true energy source and not just a novelty item for scientifically-illiterate progressives, the Japanese would be near the top of the list of who I’d believe might be able to pull it off.
    But please let’s stop pretending that renewables are a genuine energy source of any significance so far.

  77. asoka. June 11, 2012 at 2:55 pm #

    I see little evidence that Germany has been successful with alternative energy. They spent massive amounts on solar and yet it provides a fraction of 1% of their energy.

    I think you are a bit behind on Germany’s progress.
    During one 24-hour period, Germany’s PV accounted for nearly a third of the nation’s energy needs on midday Friday when the nation’s factories and offices were humming along, and then it approached 50 percent midday Saturday as residents enjoyed a sun-filled weekend.
    The milestone comes at a critical crossroads for a country that is eager to move on from its dependence on nuclear power, but has been increasingly at odds over which path to take. If nothing else, the achievement is certain to add to the growing confidence that solar can fill much of the nuclear void. Germany currently gets about 20 percent of its energy from renewable sources, with solar contributing about 4 percent annually.
    Germany’s Day in the Sun: Solar Hits 22 GW Mark
    http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2012/05/germanys-day-in-the-sun-solar-hits-22-gw-mark

  78. asoka. June 11, 2012 at 2:57 pm #

    Previous post was a reply to lsjogren who said:
    But please let’s stop pretending that renewables are a genuine energy source of any significance so far.
    50% in Germany is not insignificant. 4% is not insignificant. No single source will replace oil. But a myriad of renewable, zero-emission, sustainable sources will… eventually.

  79. Vlad Krandz June 11, 2012 at 3:02 pm #

    Yes, it’s very strange: always living in the future to escape the past. Mortgaging the future to pay for past debt. And the living present is crushed between the abstractions of past and future. Alway having to run faster and faster to avoid falling behind like Charlie Chaplin or Ozone on the assembley line.

  80. scott June 11, 2012 at 3:11 pm #

    I do not think that debt money is inherently evil either but when it becomes a means to an end towards facilitating infinite government growth there are all sorts of evil unintended consequences. Look what happens when the government bails out commercial real estate in order to prolong confidence in debt money well beyond it’s stamped on shelf life. Commercial real estate speculators who should have gone bankrupt are allowed to not only allowed to stay in business despite foolish business decisions they are allowed to maintain their regional hegemonies by bankrupting any and all competition through government backstopped losses even in their non RE subsidiary businesses.
    They can make ridiculously low bids for work and loss leader high bids for assets because it is all backstopped by the governments need to maintain the status quo. You end up with a system where it doesn’t matter how hard you work or how productive you are. Your success becomes dependant on how well protected you are by governments ability to create success out of thin air.

  81. danogenes June 11, 2012 at 3:46 pm #

    Hey you money folks
    Look at your dollar bills. They don’t say US Government currency. They say Federal Reserve Notes. They ain’t issued by the government. They are issued by a consortium of banks called the Fed. Its as Federal as Federal Express. Through the wonders of compound interest, for the past 100 years, the owners of those banks have been transferring your wealth to their accounts. It isn’t the government.
    Matter of fact, the government is merely a theater spectacle performed to keep us entertained and looking elswhere while the banksters do their stuff. Occupy had it right. Go to Wall St. and Greenwich, and the Hamptons. Thats where the power lies.
    We can’t force change in the political process because, like Emma Goldman said: If voting would change anything they wouldn’t let us do it.
    The only way to change this is to let it crumble. Only buy what you need, and buy it locally. Celebrate buy nothing day twice a week. Get out of debt.
    The government will change nothing as long as it is this toothless behemoth. Instead, look for local options to create local wealth while the whole facade crumbles.

  82. welles June 11, 2012 at 3:47 pm #

    This is the first stage of the US Dollar’s co-morbid demise with the rest of our economy and former culture. Next will be the starving masses seeking food after the grocery stores and gasoline tanks are empty due to a full on dollar collapse late this summer or fall. That’s when it gets really interesting in terms of survival.
    At that point none of us will be on the internet discussing anything; we will be trying to survive. Bet on it.

    This is such overstated hogwash.
    ‘Late this summer or fall’…where do you get that privy info from?
    ‘Full on dollar collapse’…so the dollar’s going to suddenly die within a few weeks…and there’s no massive rumblings to alert us?
    The internet won’t function? At least here you’ve said something within the realm of possibility, I grant you that.
    People are hurting, and people are doing fine, depends on who you are. People have learned to get by on much less – I haven’t owned a car in years.
    US Dollar used to be 4 Deutsche Marks to one, then fell to DM1.8….way back in the early 1980s. So does that qualify as an apocalyptic event too?
    Note to clusterfucker doomers: jeezis ain’t coming back, the Mayans were wrong about the end of the world, we aren’t going to see violent kunstleresque riots (aging hippy longings), and the much-vaunted food shelves aren’t going to be bare.
    world’s been thru much worse, and here we still are. getting fatter, richer, more productive, churning out wonderful technology.
    and somehow a few billion to Spain is proof that the system is about to blow? haha, a few billion euros…wonder how long it takes to type that into the Spanish banks’ accounts from the main keyboard at the IMF et al?
    John Mauldin is the worst ‘money manager’ writing on the internet, but his ‘muddle-thru economy’ is fairly accurate of how we’re navigating this latter-years crisis…
    peace peaceniks

  83. welles June 11, 2012 at 3:57 pm #

    Instead, look for local options to create local wealth while the whole facade crumbles.
    Excellent advice, thank you for some reasonable fresh air on this site.
    Let the fukkers do their shyte to themselves, everyone needs to unplug from them as much as possible.
    Interest rate on savings account in Brazil: 6% per annum, interest paid out weekly.
    Contact me if you’re interested in info, or just google it.
    peace peaceniks

  84. Liquid Lennny June 11, 2012 at 4:03 pm #

    Hey Jim,
    Lighten up a little bit. After all it’s only a hundred billion here, a few trillion over there.
    It’s only numbers, what’s the harm?
    It depends on your perspective, here’s mine;
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebePx6x6xqU&feature=endscreen&NR=1
    The larger question to ask is who or what will exist to appreciate all the amazing things humanity accomplished during it’s oh so short run.
    I suspect they will become the myths of the future.
    Here’s a view (along with the corresponding appropriate soundtrack) from one of those accomplishments that many would have loved to see first hand;
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_9Bt6MG-3Y&feature=related
    Enjoy all!

  85. anti soak June 11, 2012 at 4:07 pm #

    Forget Ms. Goldman, she was the problem, not the solution.
    Meanwhile one of the little people did this scam:
    Oregon woman is on the hook for what Internal Revenue Service investigators are calling one of the largest cases of tax fraud in the state’s history. …………………………..
    Krystle Marie Reyes, of Salem, Ore. allegedly weaseled more than $2 million from the state by filing a false return using automated TurboTax software, according to a police report obtained by Oregon Live. ……………………….
    Reyes, 25, reported $3 million in wages and claimed $2.1 million in refunds, which worked its way through TurboTax’s system and was approved by the state. Soon enough, a Visa debit card loaded with the refund was in her hands.
    What’s bizarre about the situation is how Reyes was caught. She reported another debit card as lost or stolen to the issuer, which apparently saw enough red flags to get the state’s revenue service on the case. The police affidavit doesn’t offer say how much cash was loaded on the second card or whether it was obtained by a fraudulent tax return as well. …………………………
    When Reyes was taken into custody June 6, she had allegedly spent about $150,000 over a two-month period, including $2,000 on a Dodge Caravan and more than $800 in tires and wheels, according to police. It’s not clear from the report where the rest of the cash went, though it says she spent tens of thousands of dollars per week. …………
    Her case underscores the debate over whether the IRS should issue refunds via debit cards. On one hand, they’re a boon to unbanked Americans who can’t rely on direct deposits for speedy returns.
    But that also means fraudsters can get their hands on cash faster than authorities can
    …………………………………………..
    [note the word ‘weaseled’, animal rights folks have told me not to insult animals with such perjorative terms].

  86. asoka. June 11, 2012 at 4:16 pm #

    …like Emma Goldman said: If voting would change anything they wouldn’t let us do it.
    I love Emma Goldman. She was right, and the Republicans are trying to prevent us from voting.
    VOTER SUPPRESSION 101
    http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2012/04/voter_suppression.html
    I plan to vote, whether or not it results in change, because if we don’t exercise our voting rights it will be that much easier for the Republicans to take away our rights altogether.

  87. mow June 11, 2012 at 4:46 pm #

    I forgot my mantra

  88. Kyooshtik June 11, 2012 at 5:14 pm #

    Here is Asoka’s rosy view of the Spanish bank bailout as expressed yesterday afternoon.

    For all of you CFNers worried about the Euro and Greece and collapse, you can relax.
    Greece, Ireland, Portugal and now Spain, have all been rescued. The EU and IMF have now committed around 500 billion euros to finance European bailouts.
    By shoring up Spain before the June 17 elections in Greece Euro zone policymakers prevent Greece’s euro zone exit and prevent a wave of contagion.
    Analysts said financial markets will welcome the announcement when they reopen on Monday.
    So, once again, contrary to what CFNers are saying, apocalypse is avoided, the heavens have not fallen in, calm has prevailed, and rational minds are in control of the situation.

    Our markets advanced for about 10 mins following the 9:30AM open but were in the red in less than an hour. The DOW ended the day down 143 pts.
    Even Spain’s IBEX 35 index lost a half percent.
    Apparently markets don’t agree with Asoka’s rosy view.

  89. asoka. June 11, 2012 at 5:27 pm #

    OMG! A half percent!
    Quick chant this mantra 108 times:
    Om Shreem Mahalakshmiyei Namaha
    (for Abundance)

  90. scott June 11, 2012 at 5:32 pm #

    Bailouts by extending bad debt with more debt just throws more fuel on the fire, it isn’t fixing anything. Governments think if they extend and pretend they can hang onto the status quo and their power longer. The problem with extend and pretend is that the inevitable crash will be much worse.

  91. asoka. June 11, 2012 at 5:41 pm #

    The problem with extend and pretend is that the inevitable crash will be much worse.
    If we were talking about real money, I would agree with you. But we are talking about electrons, of which there are an endless supply.
    Extend and pretend can go much longer than you assume. We’ve been on fiat money for seven decades now, although many would have said that impossible.
    Electronic money enables endless quantitative easing and will be able to extend for centuries, not decades.

  92. asoka. June 11, 2012 at 5:46 pm #

    The DOW was actually down about 1.15% today.
    0.0115194062 to be specific.
    If you follow the markets, you know that is not alarming. Tomorrow the markets could go up by an equal amount.
    My point still stands: there was no panic in the markets today. No crash. No Black Monday. No reason for believing the sky is going to fall tomorrow either.

  93. Belisarius June 11, 2012 at 5:52 pm #

    “…like Emma Goldman said: If voting would change anything they wouldn’t let us do it.
    I love Emma Goldman. She was right, and the Republicans are trying to prevent us from voting.”
    **************************************************
    The things voting changes, like who gets the lion’s share of elite payola, and who gets the jackal’s share; matter little to those who are not close to or dependent on the system. Sure, the Demoncats and Repugnicans will do whatever they can to get lion’s share, but their rules of engagement are set by an elite mafia that seldom cares which minion wins. Either way the same major policies continue, and either way the common man loses more each time.

  94. Vlad Krandz June 11, 2012 at 5:53 pm #

    Sounds good. How do I get in on it?

  95. Vlad Krandz June 11, 2012 at 5:56 pm #

    Svaha is the correct ending for someone Q’s age – that is to say, after their Saturn return.
    What’s your sign? Air right? Aquarius?

  96. asoka. June 11, 2012 at 5:57 pm #

    The reason the DOW went down is because investors wanted A BIGGER BAILOUT, not because there was a bailout. I revise the DOW to -1.14% today.
    (AGI) New York – Wall Street closed on a downward trend, due to concerns of investors that the 100 billion Euro rescue package guaranteed for the recapitalization of Spanish banks, may not be enough to stop the crisis of Euro and may slow down even further global economy. Dow Jones lost 1.14% and closed at 12411.23; Nasdaq lost 1.70% to 2809.73 points

  97. asoka. June 11, 2012 at 6:07 pm #

    matter little to those who are not close to or dependent on the system.
    Gee, Belisarius, you are making my point for me.
    A record 49 percent of Americans living in a household where someone receives at least one type of government benefit, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, that adds up to 63 percent of all federal spending this year will consist of checks written to individuals for which the government receives currently no services.
    Add to that all the employees who work in the civilian public sector, including federal employees and employees in all 50 state governments and all local governments (i.e., counties, municipalities, townships, special districts, and school districts). Then…
    Add to that the Military Industrial Complex having “defense contracts” with private industry in every single state in the country, and I would say a vast majority of Americans are dependent one way or another on the public treasury. Q. sucked the government teat for 27 years as an accountant, for example. And like him there are millions who depended on the public dole through corporate welfare payments in the form of government defense contracts.
    More people than you think are dependent on “the system”

  98. welles June 11, 2012 at 6:16 pm #

    Vladdy, to keep your money ‘in the US’ you can simply buy 3-month CDs at 4% from Everbank.
    These CDs are actually denominated in Brazilian reals, so you can earn money if the foreign currency appreciates against the greenback. And you can lose money if the greenback appreciates against the foreign currency.
    The 6% offered down here on savings accounts, you’d open an account with a Brazilian bank, e.g. Itau, Banco do Brasil etc.
    Can be done, even if an American.
    Gov’t bonds down here offer around 9-10% annually, plus the possibility of currency appreciation/depreciation. Check with your financial company if they offer them – they should, seeing as the interest rate and country are both highly ranked.
    peace peaceniks

  99. scott June 11, 2012 at 6:30 pm #

    “If we were talking about real money, I would agree with you. But we are talking about electrons, of which there are an endless supply.”
    Whether they are electrons, seashells, rag paper or whatever, they are still claimchecks against future resources. The sovereign debt defaults of Greece, Italy, Spain, etc. are merely symptoms of a larger problem. The larger problem is that there has been exponential growth in claimchecks against future resources when the problem all along has been too many claimchecks(debt money) against future resources.
    The debts of Italy, Greece and Spain are a drop in the bucket in contrast to over all global sovereign debt but it is just, “their turn” because their economies are smaller and they are some of the first casualties in in on going global currency war that is soon to turn hot as the rest of the dominoes fall.

  100. Smokyjoe June 11, 2012 at 6:40 pm #

    “All the once-great western economic powers have decided to become crack-heads, winos, and beggars with amusing monkeys.”
    Priceless. After Clinton signed that dreadful and bipartisan repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, an elder banker came into the computing room where a buddy of mine kept the servers running. He said something along these lines:
    “The Government just set us up for the next Great Depression. Commercial banks like ours are supposed to be stingy and boring. Now we are going to go into investment, start gambling with our investors’ money, and I’m going to retire. Mark my words: I give it ten years before it all collapses.”
    He was off by 1 year.

  101. Belisarius June 11, 2012 at 6:53 pm #

    More people than you think are dependent on “the system”
    *************************************************
    Perhaps. Not all who receive government checks now, are expecting them forever. Many, “entitled” to future government checks, doubt they will ever receive them.
    Peak oil, peak resources, peak debt and peak population indicate unsustainability in a system that must continue to expand.
    Most who come here are busily disengaging from “the system” and setting up a plan B or C. For many of us, it is a distraction to pay attention to which set of political thieves are in charge of overseeing the syphoning our economic blood. However, avoidance of this extraction is a hobby for some and a necessity for others.
    Those who expect the current system to last “for centuries” are entitled to a different opinion. Good luck with that!

  102. asoka. June 11, 2012 at 7:21 pm #

    The debts of Italy, Greece and Spain are a drop in the bucket in contrast to over all global sovereign debt …
    If you owe the bank $50,000 and can’t pay, you have a problem.
    If you owe the bank $50 million and can’t pay, the bank has a problem.
    The fact that the debt if GLOBAL, is a blessing. The dance of debt electrons on financial computer screens around the world continues. It is a surreal dance, without claim against future resources because when debt is fraudulent, debt forgiveness is the logical and only remedy, easily accommodated by the electronic debt dance.

  103. asoka. June 11, 2012 at 7:27 pm #

    Those who expect the current system to last “for centuries” are entitled to a different opinion. Good luck with that!
    Luck is what this country has had for the last few centuries, in spite of past economic times and past political corruption much worse than we currently have.
    Most people completely lack a sense of history and only see what is happening today. Having nothing to compare it to, they utter things like: “we are so fucked!” If only they knew how good they have it.

  104. turkle June 11, 2012 at 8:11 pm #

    As I understand it, the central banks drop gobs of money into the banking system which the banks then use to purchase domestic and also foreign government bonds. So the governments fund their own long term debt by conjuring money from thin air. Ain’t that a neat trick? Money fer nothin!

  105. turkle June 11, 2012 at 8:14 pm #

    Hey, B. You know the SS checks are never going to stop coming. It will just be that old bugaboo inflation that affects the value of said payments. The US government can’t really “run out” of money for paying entitlements unless there is an enforced debt ceiling. They can just conjure more up when they need it. That’s how the Federal Reserve works, really. There’s a lot of hocus pocus involved, but that’s pretty much the gist of it. The resultant negative effect of this policy is, of course, long term inflation. So as more dollars enter the system, the value of each one decreases.
    But you know this already I’m assuming. 🙂

  106. welles June 11, 2012 at 8:15 pm #

    …in spite of past economic times and past political corruption much worse than we currently have
    Well put, brings the proper perspective to the current situation. Past political life/economic crises were far and away worse than most everyone surmises.
    Lincoln was publicly called a ‘great ape’ in spoken and written word. Who would get away with that nowadays?
    People were literally ‘dirt’ poor & barely had beans and bread to eat back ‘then’.
    asoka’s correct when he says we have no idea how good we have it.
    touche brother.
    good to see some rational thought out here.
    (not that i don’t enjoy doomerville, i truly do, but i’ve gotten to the place where i realize the lights come on after it’s all been said, the credits roll and it’s time to walk out into the sunshine again after the fantasy’s over).
    we’ll get thru all the dire straits just fine.
    peace peaceniks

  107. turkle June 11, 2012 at 8:17 pm #

    “we’ll get thru all the dire straits just fine.”
    There you go with your crystal ballin again!

  108. turkle June 11, 2012 at 8:20 pm #

    “getting fatter, richer, more productive, churning out wonderful technology”
    Forever and ever, amen.
    Right?

  109. turkle June 11, 2012 at 8:27 pm #

    The doomers are right. All civilizations collapse after awhile. They’re just generally off on the time scale. I guess it has something to do with wanting to compress the course of history into your own time frame. So statements like, “Collapse coming this summer.” are basically a manifestation of this desire. Now, post-collapse doesn’t mean that no other entities will arise to replace that which hath fallen. Something else will come along. But that may take awhile, and the new society could be quite different from the old one. So, methinks, TS really hits TF when the current fossil fuel paradigm goes kapoot, because of Peak Everything. You can already see it happening with rising food and fuel prices, not to mention competition over basic resources like, you know, water. This idea that the wonderful technology train will carry all of us off into the rosy future is pretty narrow-minded. Already, most of the world is poor and not on this train. Well, they do have cell phones. Whoopty doo. Why does that matter when you can’t afford to eat? You know what a lot of the Middle East revolutions were really about? The cost of food. Think on that for a minute and then go ahead and tell me that things don’t change drastically when the Green Revolution reverses after the oil and natural gas run out. Cuz I ain’t buying it.

  110. welles June 11, 2012 at 8:36 pm #

    just the facts, ma’am.
    peace peaceniks

  111. turkle June 11, 2012 at 8:36 pm #

    You ever heard the saying, “The bigger they are, the harder they fall.” Since current world population is greater than it has ever been and is set to increase even more, the crises will only continue to worsen, until there is a big die off or at least some kind of throttling of population growth. It is the difference between having 10 mouths to feed and 100 during a time of scarcity. Like, for instance, the Black Death killed 1/3 of Europe, but there were far fewer people back then. If there were a similar event nowadays, orders of magnitude more people would be affected. You see what I mean? Perhaps the severity of past crises was worse due to lack of knowledge and technology, but the sheer scale is far greater now.

  112. turkle June 11, 2012 at 8:42 pm #

    welles, you always make the basic mistake of extrapolating your own circumstances, which seem positive, to the rest of the world. Also, you live in Brazil, which is currently (more or less) in an economic boom. It doesn’t seem a very solid argument to take these specific circumstances in which you are immersed and extend them both spatially and temporally to the rest of the world and the next X years of history. If you listen to the environmentalists, biologists, ecologists, and other experts on these matters, they almost unanimously predict the opposite, though, as I’ve stated before, everyone seems off on the particular time scale. I’d point you at Catton’s Overshoot book, which is a good starting point for an ecological understanding of the current human predicament. And he has far more hard evidence to back up his predictions than just vague feelings of personal optimism based on present circumstances.
    Anyways, just my 2 cents.

  113. turkle June 11, 2012 at 8:46 pm #

    Oh, yeah, everything is just peachy these days…
    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-mo-economy-wealth-20120611,0,5418853.story
    The infinite growth shall continue forever and evar, says I!

  114. scott June 11, 2012 at 8:46 pm #

    “The fact that the debt if GLOBAL, is a blessing. The dance of debt electrons on financial computer screens around the world continues. It is a surreal dance, without claim against future resources because when debt is fraudulent, debt forgiveness is the logical and only remedy, easily accommodated by the electronic debt dance.”
    You make it sound so easy but it isn’t. We are talking about real things here that people are willing to die for–not just “electrons dancing in the air”.
    There is not going to be a fucking debt forgiveness there is going to be a default then the next morning you wake up nobody is going to trust anything. Everything is going to stop until the new system takes over. “That” is not going to happen overnight. It will take awhile for alot of people to figure out where their next meal is coming from. Do you really understand what has happened hitorically with sovereign debt crises? magnify “historically” by about a thousand and you might be close.
    Convenient that you throw, “debt forgiveness” out there so easily being the central government statist. I remember about 7 years ago, “Jerry” touting debt forgiveness as a solution and then eventually left CFN altogether after being roundly trolled by J.R. lol

  115. turkle June 11, 2012 at 8:56 pm #

    It is already happening. They call it a “haircut” in finance, when some total debt is only paid back at a certain fraction. Greek bond holders already got theirs. I guess it isn’t a total debt forgiveness though. Like you said, that’s somewhat unlikely. I’m not sure about defaults occurring en masse either. Any country with a central bank can just conjure up more money to pay out their debts, but they risk possibly massive inflation in doing so. I think that’s what happened in post-WWI Germany when they just printed a bunch of money to pay off their war reparations. The consequence for the domestic economy was hyper-inflation. But I don’t think they defaulted. (Need to look into it actually.)
    There have been defaults rather recently, like in Argentina. But, actually, it seems like long term it was good for them to do this, as they drastically reduced their external debt.
    Or am I simplifying things too much? This is a really interesting topic to me but it can be difficult to wrap the old mind around all the little details and the interrelated causes and effects.

  116. turkle June 11, 2012 at 9:01 pm #

    To my mind, the real issue in finance that will need to be dealt with going forward is the massive derivatives bubble.
    http://tarpley.net/2010/04/25/fight-the-derivatives-cancer-with-a-wall-street-sales-tax-plus-bans-on-hedge-funds-credit-default-swaps-and-synthetic-cdos/
    Article is kind of overblown. (Tarpley is kind of a nut.) But you can get the idea that the obligations being imposed by these financial instruments is orders of magnitude greater than the total debt of all countries put together. And the real problem is that paying off counter-parties in complicated derivatives schemes is a black hole scenario, into which one could dump practically an infinite supply of money. Yet ALL the major financial institutions have bet the farm on these schemes, and, ultimately, it is usually the governments who end up saving their bacon with these ginormous bailouts. That’s really what the financial bailout was in the US, a massive scheme to funnel payouts to derivatives counter-parties, without which the entire financial system would probably have collapsed.
    This is what happens when bankers run amok. They want to turn everything into money, and damn the rest of us peons.

  117. scott June 11, 2012 at 9:17 pm #

    There hasn’t been much in the way of “haircuts” as what usually happens is risk is offloaded onto those who can least afford it. Haircuts are too much like what “should” happen but like so much of everything else that should be we have to live in the world of ,”how it is”. The world of how it is, for starters is that governments really don’t want haircuts to hapen because that introduces risk of loss of confidence in the currency that they desperately need to feed off of. The only thing that makes debt, “money” is confidence that the future will always, “pay off”. Once there is a lack of confidence that the future will indefinitely, “payoff” then debt returns to being just debt and loses it’s claim as being “money”.

  118. Buck Stud June 11, 2012 at 9:28 pm #

    Great observation Asoka. Indeed, I would venture to guess the vast majority of Tea Party members receive some form of Govt check. (And I haven’t heard anything about Ron or Rand Paul refusing their Govt provided health care.)

  119. scott June 11, 2012 at 10:07 pm #

    Asoka is alot like the Tea Partiers in that she likes to dogmatically live in the world of how it, “should be”.
    Unfortunately, the rest of us have to live in the real world of, “how it is”.

  120. Belisarius June 11, 2012 at 10:21 pm #

    Most people completely lack a sense of history and only see what is happening today. Having nothing to compare it to, they utter things like: “we are so fucked!” If only they knew how good they have it.
    *************************************************
    Actually true, but very misleading.
    Yes most people have no interest in history, because they are too busy keeping their heads above water. Most of those who decide to take an interest lose that interest (as intended) before they realise that what they are being taught is more propaganda than history.
    The following quoted from William T Still:
    “In 1954, a special Congressional Committee investigated the interlocking web of tax-exempt foundations to see what impact their grants were having on the American psyche. The Committee stumbled onto the fact that some of these groups had embarked upon a gigantic project to rewrite American history and incorporate it into new school text books.
    Norman Dodd, the committee’s research director found, in the archives of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace the following remarkable statement of purpose:
    The only way to maintain control of the population was to obtain control of education in the U.S. They realized this was a prodigious task so they approached the Rockefeller Foundation with the suggestion that they go in tandem and that portion of education which could be considered as domestically oriented be taken over by the Rockefeller Foundation and that portion which was oriented to International matters be taken over by the Carnegie Endowment.
    The Rockefeller Foundation agreed to take on the domestic portion of the task. The purpose of all this interest in history, was of course to rewrite it. Dodd explained:
    They decided that the success of this program lay in the manner in which American history was to be presented. They then approached four of the then most-prominent historians – such as Mary and Charles Beard – with the suggestion that they alter the manner in which they were accustomed to presenting the subject. They [were] turned down flat, so…they decided they [had] to build a coterie of historians of their own selection.
    The Guggenheim Foundation agreed to award fellowships to historians recommended by the Carnegie Endowment. Gradually, through the 1920’s, they assembled a group of twenty promising young academics, and took them to London. There they briefed them on what was expected of them when they became professors of American history. That twenty were the nucleus of what was eventually to become the American Historical Association.”
    Thus the elite has had almost complete control of history taught in USA since the thirties. The quote is partial and part of a much larger rant on “Dumbing Down” and elite control at:
    http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/01.12/pigwings.html
    As for my own interest in history, it might be obvious to you why I chose Belisarius as a handle here. If not, perhaps you should read your Procopius, particularly “De Bello Gothico”

  121. asoka. June 11, 2012 at 10:30 pm #

    This idea that the wonderful technology train will carry all of us off into the rosy future is pretty narrow-minded.
    No, it is called, or used to be called, “forward thinking” of the kind Germany has engaged in for a while now. Slowly, slowly, Germany is replacing fossil fuels and nuclear fuels with renewables. So are other places like Denmark and Brazil. It is not a techno-miracle fantasy. It is wise use of existing technology, coupled with an embrace of contractionary devolution.

  122. asoka. June 11, 2012 at 10:32 pm #

    Sorry, my previous comment was a reply to Turkle’s post at June 11, 2012 8:27 PM

  123. bproman June 11, 2012 at 11:18 pm #

    Neither Zorro or James Bond can solve this financial mystery.

  124. turkle June 11, 2012 at 11:47 pm #

    Renewables cannot replace the current array of energy sources that drives modern civilization. All of them are intermittent and variable, particularly sunlight and the wind. So even if the whole country was covered in solar panels and wind turbines, these cannot be used effectively to carry base load. Fossil fuels are the opposite. More can be burned as demand requires but you cannot force the sun to shine or the wind to blow. That said, I am all for a thorough investigation and application of renewable energy sources, but in the long term, as JHK has stated many times, we are likely to be disappointed with what they ultimately can provide compared with current sources.
    Even if renewables are a perfect solution, humanity will bump up against other physical limits, such as lack of fresh water, clean air, and arable land. The gravy train will not roll on forever.

  125. turkle June 11, 2012 at 11:55 pm #

    And the other thing about renewables is lack of portability. Uranium, petroleum, and natural gas can be shipped around the world. You cannot do the same with any renewable energy sources of which I’m aware, aside from perhaps biofuels Thus as a replacement they are generally inadequate.

  126. scott June 12, 2012 at 12:01 am #

    “And the other thing about renewables is lack of portability. Uranium, petroleum, and natural gas can be shipped around the world. You cannot do the same with any renewable energy sources of which I’m aware, aside from perhaps biofuels Thus as a replacement they are generally inadequate.”
    This comment directed toward me must be a mistake because anyone who knows me would know a statement like this is,”preaching to the choir”.
    Yeah, I’m pretty well drunk right about now sooo…

  127. Belisarius June 12, 2012 at 12:10 am #

    Hey, B. You know the SS checks are never going to stop coming. It will just be that old bugaboo inflation that affects the value of said payments.
    *************************************************
    Current case is as above: Each year the checks buy less, despite a so-called cost of living adjustment. “Everyone knows” the checks will keep coming ’till they aren’t worth a cup of coffee. Could happen that way, yup!
    Things have been quite tame for a long time. USA has sucessfully skated on thin ice for decades. That outstanding luck could hold, but do you want to bet your life?
    OTOH
    In another scenario the Fed refuses to “lend” more to the government until “austerity” is invoked, and the government caves rather than issue “US Notes” without debt. Doubt that would happen without a revolt underway and/or martial law declared. It would indicate a split in the elite.
    Things could cascade. Maybe a New Madrid great earthquake happens first. Crashes the grid. Sends several nukes critical. Cuts most of the Mississippi bridges. Most ground transport(including pipelines) is crippled. Food and energy shortages get serious. Rationing is imposed. Government screwups lead to revolts. Martial law is declared. If there are any real terrorists, maybe they take advantage?
    How many people still get paper checks? What happens in a bank holiday? What happens if the grid goes down? For weeks? Or perhaps a virus destroys the government computer system? What happens if the the world stops accepting dollars? But, of course, none of these things must happen. They (and others) could happen though, many years from today, or next month.

  128. scott June 12, 2012 at 12:23 am #

    There is a Jewish Community Center right across the street from where I live and it is freakin amazing. I’m not personally using it but my 11 y/o son is and he loves it. We are not allowed to have a basketball goal here because the HOA is afraid it will bring in the niggers but the J has an awesome basketball gym with like 12 basketball goals and the hardwoods was just recently refinished. There is both an indoor pool and an outdoor water park. Racquetball courts, tennis courts, soccer fields, baseball diamonds, etc, etc. You can drop your kids off there at 5:30Am and they have people that usher them from one activity to another until 4PM. I don’t think it hurts that my kids have to learn Israeli history for a couple hours a day and eat a few Kosher meals.

  129. asoka. June 12, 2012 at 12:30 am #

    We are not allowed to have a basketball goal here because the HOA is afraid it will bring in the niggers
    I have heard some of them “niggers” are actually fairly competent at basketball. White kids could learn something from them.

  130. scott June 12, 2012 at 12:36 am #

    Yeah, that’s the HOA’s words not mine–I’m the retard that spent $500 on 2 different basketball goals only to have them dismantled by the HOA. The HOA here is dominated by elderly people even though there are more children here than elderly.
    Every day after school there were 30-40 kids playing basketball there. It actually broke the hearts of many of the children here when the goals were taken away.

  131. asoka. June 12, 2012 at 12:49 am #

    Renewables cannot replace the current array of energy sources that drives modern civilization.
    No, they cannot and that was never my idea.
    The current consumption levels are unsustainable.
    We must voluntarily reduce consumption and we must reduce global population.
    (true global population reduction, not re-shuffling or preventing immigration of minorities national anti-immigrant groups, which does nothing to reduce global population)
    If we don’t do these things voluntarily, then overshoot of carrying capacity will do it for us.

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  133. asoka. June 12, 2012 at 12:53 am #

    CORRECTION
    (true global population reduction, not re-shuffling or preventing immigration of minorities VIA national anti-immigrant groups. THAT does nothing to reduce global population)

  134. scott June 12, 2012 at 12:56 am #

    “We must voluntarily reduce consumption and we must reduce global population.”
    This is borderline apocalyptic–not the strict greek translation but the end of the world extension of the word apocalypse. When does the word voluntary get replaced with mandatory?
    By my reckoning the worlds population needs to reduce by a full third or nearly 3 billion people need to die to make the current system sustainable.

  135. scott June 12, 2012 at 1:06 am #

    What is more important, 3 billion people or the current system.
    I think most democratically elected governments will choose…
    the current system.

  136. turkle June 12, 2012 at 1:27 am #

    Uh yeah was directed to asoka. God this blogging software sucks.

  137. Vlad Krandz June 12, 2012 at 1:38 am #

    Gracias. Mucho Gusto.

  138. scott June 12, 2012 at 1:41 am #

    Why do all these squirrels and Raccoons insist on being in the same space that I am currently occupying? I feel like I am swarmed by squirrels and Raccoons dammit. I’ve probably killed more than a hundred squirrels in the past month but they keep coming like there is no end. same thing with the raccoons. I have ripped out ceilings sealed off perimeters with diamond lathing but they still insist upon occupying the same space as me.

  139. Vlad Krandz June 12, 2012 at 1:42 am #

    Allowing minorities in is the shuffling. Mexico needs a revolution, and by allowing a mass migration, we take the pressure off and thus perpetuate the system. You need to recall your Marxism 101.

  140. rocco June 12, 2012 at 2:27 am #

    I watch, read, and listen and all the folks repeat Fox News lines and mass consumption capitalism theories that will save us,even the left around here, only a few remain repeat the standard message, just recycle,and use plug in cars and life will be fine.
    Netflix has a great series called, “Life after people” will shows how fast man’s greatest building crumble to nature.

  141. Senneth June 12, 2012 at 3:17 am #

    Prog,
    How come you’re not posting more? I miss reading your posts.

  142. dale June 12, 2012 at 10:09 am #

    I couldn’t agree more. America likes to think of itself as a ‘Christian’ nation but based on history and by all present appearances we never have been nor will we ever be.
    —————————-
    Thank God for that.

  143. dale June 12, 2012 at 10:11 am #

    As I understand it, the central banks drop gobs of money into the banking system which the banks then use to purchase domestic and also foreign government bonds. So the governments fund their own long term debt by conjuring money from thin air. Ain’t that a neat trick? Money fer nothin!
    ————————————
    …or dire straits, one or the other.

  144. dale June 12, 2012 at 10:15 am #

    Sorry guys won’t have time for the “Goon From the Moon” Award this week, going up to the lake for a few days. Neighbor has a great house with a private beach they let us use, and its my wife’s birthday. If you can’t be rich yourself, next best thing is to have rich friends.

  145. dale June 12, 2012 at 10:19 am #

    I saw a Chinese Man walk by a very rare Chinese Bum. The Chinese Man became enraged that a fellow Chinese would let himself fall into such a state in a Land of Opportunity like America.
    ———————————-
    I almost believe, that you believe, that you heard a “Chinese Man” berating a “Chinese Bum” because it was some sort of disgrace to the race. Almost…….

  146. dale June 12, 2012 at 10:24 am #

    Why do all these squirrels and Raccoons insist on being in the same space that I am currently occupying?
    ——————————–
    Perhaps you should consider putting a screen door and some windows in your lean to.

  147. welles June 12, 2012 at 10:43 am #

    If you listen to the environmentalists, biologists, ecologists, and other experts on these matters, they almost unanimously predict the opposite, though, as I’ve stated before, everyone seems off on the particular time scale.
    So you’re saying there are experts who don’t predict major collapse? Why would they be so optimistic? What are their reasons?
    If the experts of doom are always off on the timescale, why do you lend credence to them?
    JHK’s an expert, Bob Prechter’s an expert, how have their predictions panned out?
    The guy predicting the collapse of the US like the USSR…how’s his prediction panning out?
    Where’s the hyperinflation predicted as a result of central bank QE?
    Where’s the martial law CNFers predict, the massive starvation, the billion-person dieoffs?
    It always ‘later this summer or this fall’, or just around the corner. Like Jesus, never seems to get here, and people and countries muddle through.
    People are demonstrably much better off foodwise, moneywise, healthcare wise, transportwise, leisurewise, access to informationwise, and otherwise, than they’ve ever been in the history of humankind.
    peace peaceniks

  148. ozone June 12, 2012 at 10:58 am #

    Do you vote in FUSA elections by absentee ballot?
    Do you still hold a passport to this country?
    Do you also hold a Brazilian passport?
    What is your motivation to prognosticate such optimistic futures for the FUSA?
    And finally, how long have you been working as an agent for both EMBRATUR (out of the Ministerio do Turismo) and the NSA (as a freelance informant)?

  149. ozone June 12, 2012 at 11:03 am #

    (Should have singed off with: no justice; no peace.)
    Now, sure, I do agree lifestyles and comforts have “increased” over the last 60 years or so, but at what cost? Someone gains; somebody else loses. (And the planet, most of all.) Puts a big shit-eatin’ grin on MY gob; howzabout you?

  150. ozone June 12, 2012 at 11:06 am #

    To be an effective agent, a majority of truths have to be juxtaposed against the lies.
    little laddie lederhosen could take an object lesson from the “brazilian scofflaw”.

  151. welles June 12, 2012 at 11:07 am #

    lol, why would a ministry of tourism need a secret agent?
    just more of the same spy gibberish cfners love to relish in.
    is having an opinion forbidden, if it’s not your opinion? seems so.
    so now i have to tell you whether i vote, hold a passport…
    really, you ought to sign up as a brownshirt with your good-citizen requirements.
    sorry to spoil your doomer reverie but there are plenty of place and countries where people are doing very well, despite all the havoc on the surface.
    even in parts of the u.s. and a.
    peace peaceniks

  152. ozone June 12, 2012 at 11:10 am #

    Yep, the questions were silly.
    So let’s ask the one that we’re all curious about:
    Why do you give a shit what happens to us in the belly of the beast, when you’re living the wonderful life of hedonistic ease elsewhere?
    Hmmm?

  153. ozone June 12, 2012 at 11:15 am #

    “really, you ought to sign up as a brownshirt with your good-citizen requirements.”
    Ahhhh, and there it is; accusing me of being the exact opposite of what I represent. Now I tend to think my probing has hit a small nerve when such Rovian tactics surface…
    What IS your distractionist deal?

  154. welles June 12, 2012 at 11:18 am #

    you’re living the wonderful life of hedonistic ease elsewhere
    This is precisely the problem with CFN mentality, you hyperbolize/fatalize everything. Since someone
    has a decent life, suddenly it’s “hedonistic ease”.
    Laughable, as usual.
    peace peaceniks
    ps weather’s nice and warm, roosters are crowing, dogs lolling around, trees are about to be full of mangoes and other fruit. can of very cold beer at the ready – y’all come on down now, we gots plenty o’ good life fo’ ya, heah?

  155. ozone June 12, 2012 at 11:18 am #

    (Now returning to not giving a shit about brazilian puffery. Grow your flowers and enjoy your life of ease.)

  156. ozone June 12, 2012 at 11:21 am #

    Plus, I see the main query is not addressed. A lot said without saying a damn thing…

  157. welles June 12, 2012 at 11:27 am #

    Grow your flowers and enjoy your life of ease.
    whew, thought it might be ‘hedonistic’ ease again.
    appreciate the downgrade to normalcy.
    will be travelling today, as we drive there’ll be beautiful vistas of swaying palm trees juxtaposed against gargantuan planted forests of eucalyptus.
    today is valentine’s day here in brazil, so happy valentine’s everyone, may you only be positive, there’s so much to gain from that attitude.
    peace peaceniks

  158. ozone June 12, 2012 at 11:27 am #

    “The only thing that makes debt, “money” is confidence that the future will always, “pay off”. Once there is a lack of confidence that the future will indefinitely, “payoff” then debt returns to being just debt and loses it’s claim as being “money”.” -scott
    Again, trust and confidence.
    Without these touchstones a society (worth its name) cannot be built or maintained.
    Pretty easy to see what direction we’re headed in.
    Massive fraud and deceit in the very highest echelons do not foretell a happy, secure future.

  159. BeantownBill June 12, 2012 at 11:44 am #

    Mostly what I hear here is why we won’t be able to do this or that. Just like those who said if God wanted people to fly, He would have given them wings; or if you kept traveling across the ocean, you’d eventually fall off the edge of the world; or God doesn’t play dice with the universe; or there was no good use for all the oil found in Pennsylvania in the 1800’s.
    In the meantime, yesterday I left on a jet plane traveling at 535 mph 7 miles above the Earth to sunny Florida, where the temperature was a balmy 93 degrees, and I swum in the pool, and today I will get a nice, vigorous massage, take a cool shower to get off all the oil, and lounge by the pool reading a book. Right here, right now, life is good, and that’s all that counts.
    Thunderstorms come in, it gets ominously dark, lightning flashes, rain pours down, and guess what? Then the rain stops and the sun comes out.
    Maybe the world will come to an end soon, but today everything is fine, and I choose to believe
    despite some ups and downs, that everything will work out ok. I refuse to let doom and gloom rule my life.

  160. asoka. June 12, 2012 at 11:45 am #

    Massive fraud and deceit in the very highest echelons do not foretell a happy, secure future.
    ===========
    Regardless of what happens on a macroeconomic scale, a happy future grows out of a happy present.
    You do not seem to possess that, so it is natural that you do not foretell a happy, secure future.

  161. asoka. June 12, 2012 at 11:52 am #

    Maybe the world will come to an end soon, but today everything is fine, and I choose to believe
    despite some ups and downs, that everything will work out ok.
    ==============
    Amen, brother Bill.
    Don’t none of us have a crystal ball. Ain’t nobody that can tell the future. But we do have the present moment. Unless we are on our death bed, most of us have the luxury of being able to inhale and exhale with ease and appreciate the beauty around us.
    Ah, this!

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  163. ozone June 12, 2012 at 11:54 am #

    Gloom and doom do not rule my life either.
    I live quite happily. But also, I believe it healthy to internalize certain realities of the way “business” is conducted in circles that I do not run in that have the ability (and perhaps, motive) to END my happiness quite suddenly if finding me unprepared. (I also realize, quite appropriately, that there are no guarantees whatsoever.)

  164. ozone June 12, 2012 at 12:04 pm #

    An example:
    “Here howls the chasm: Between the apparatus of the privileged and powerful, in place, to create false fears and those things that should be rightly feared. For example: being in possession a healthy fear of the damage wrought by the corporate media by their incessant promulgation of manufactured fears. Conversely, one should fear the harm resultant from the contrived fears perpetrated by ruthless political leaders and mercenary media figures…committed in the name of protecting the public at large from imaginary enemies.
    This is not so much a problem of: fearing fear itself; rather, it is a matter of gaining a healthy fear of the overkill exacted when self-serving institutions use counterfeit fear as a means of preserving their power — standard modus operandi when institutions, public and private, have lost legitimacy.” -Phil Rockstroh
    Brilliant treatise.
    Attitude is not awareness; awareness is not attitude. Let’s get our distinctions in proper alignment.
    (Well worth the read. If it should give one a “bad/unhappy attitude”, perhaps questioning why that might be could be very useful, personally. Realities are dispassionate and disinterested in how we “feel” about them.)
    Part 2 In the Name of My Father:
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31545.htm

  165. ozone June 12, 2012 at 12:08 pm #

    Enough bandwidth waste from me.
    Prog is probably busy with “life intrusions”, and will return in a timely fashion, I’m sure; no worries…

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  167. ozone June 12, 2012 at 12:35 pm #

    One last thing in regards to musings on the workings of my mind (or lack thereof) and emotional makeup:
    Attempts to discredit or dismiss my postings because of my “attitude” seems a bit off the point, doesn’t it?
    Try that with Mr. Kunstler and see what reaction you might receive.

  168. turkle June 12, 2012 at 12:59 pm #

    The basic concept is that we steal from the future to power the present by consuming non-renewable fossil fuels in order to “live it up.” Thus once these fuels disappear, unless there is some magical alternative, the population will necessarily contract with the food supply. Simple, really. That’s all covered in the Overshoot book, which coined that term. It is a very convincing argument. I encourage you to read it rather than receive its arguments second hand from me. You’d presumably learn something.
    Everything is not peachy keen. Food prices are rising and food scarcity is spreading. America has had had two major land wars in Asia, basically because of energy resources. Nearly all developed nations are in massive fiscal debt. And yet you say, oh yeah everything is great. Whatever.
    And SO WHAT if everything is supposedly better than it has ever been. It cannot continue for much longer, that is, if you believe human societies follow the basic laws of physics. Just because people cannot generally predict exact dates does not at all imply that their reasoning is unsound.

  169. turkle June 12, 2012 at 1:05 pm #

    Contraction of human society is in the cards. We decrease the long term carrying capacity of the earth with our activities that are designed to increase it, so that’s a real Catch 22. All of you seem to want to make value judgments about this eventual correction, but events like this have occurred with many other species and ecosystems on the planet in the past. It is practically a law of nature. The classic examples are reindeer on an island, yeast in a petri dish, etc. Organisms tend to use up the available energy in their habitats, and eventually this causes a necessary correction in their population. It is a simple ecological concept, which, I guess, is difficult for most modern humans to understand, because they are divorced from the real underpinnings of their existence. So, fine, you got a massage by the pool, and it is sunny outside. Meanwhile, there’s a gigantic island of plastic in the middle of the Pacific, the atmosphere continues to warm, and most large ocean fish are headed for extinction as we use them for sushi. But, no! Everything’s fine. I’m okay. Yer okay. Too much magic, says I.

  170. Doc Holliday June 12, 2012 at 1:06 pm #

    Yes James.
    Shitting money is as good image as any, better than most.
    But whoever labled this writing style “Doom Porn” is to be applauded.
    Along with all the other things to be concerned about, James running out of new ways to state the problems is truely frightening.
    But the truely creative mind will always find a way. True creativity in presenting the same reality in different and interesting ways in a mark of true genius.
    This is what sets Jean Haze apart from a large field of wanna be actresses. She is capable of presenting material with a predictable conslusion in such varied ways as to hold an audience in the palm of her hand, time after time.
    I am not suggesting that you are a whore, James. Just pointing out that you are the best at what you do and your prolific pontification is appreciated, thought provoking, honest and inspirational.
    I dub Thee the King of Doom Porn.
    Please keep up the good work.
    Doc

  171. turkle June 12, 2012 at 1:07 pm #

    “everything will work out ok”
    Or maybe everything won’t work out okay. If you’ve been, ya know, paying attention lately, that might be a more sound conclusion to make.

  172. turkle June 12, 2012 at 1:15 pm #

    He’s getting lazy. There’s a lot more to talk about than just the finances, which is more a symptom than a cause.

  173. turkle June 12, 2012 at 1:20 pm #

    I love the reasoning on here this week. I’m fine, so everything must be okay with the world. And things will work out okay in the end. Because there’s beer and palm trees.

  174. Vlad Krandz June 12, 2012 at 1:22 pm #

    No, that’s not the opposite of what you represent. You have shown your rage and desire for vengeance many times. If the Communist asked for enforcers, you’d be waiting at the door first thing in the morning.

  175. scott June 12, 2012 at 1:25 pm #

    Perhaps you should consider putting a screen door and some windows in your lean to. -dale
    Good one dale but it is a condo and I have had a helluva time with critters taking up residence in my ceilings.

  176. Vlad Krandz June 12, 2012 at 1:29 pm #

    Right Dale. Just like when people take LSD or Psilocybin they “believe” that they “percieve” that colors are brighter. But what is the proof that they are so percieving – maybe they just believe themselves to be doing so! Or perhaps they are lying!
    Dale you are both an asshole and a horse’s ass and I have no doubt that both your face and history make this clear to all but you. This post showed both aspects of your wretched personality.

  177. scott June 12, 2012 at 1:31 pm #

    Asoka brought up the idea of a debt Jubilee as a solution to the problem of too much debt. An idea that has been kicked around, here at CFN for many years.
    Debt Jubilee’s are for erasing bad debts not bad debt money. Our money is debt and the only thing that makes debt, “money” is confidence. A debt Jubilee would be no different than saying our money is no longer any good. Re-do! What could go wrong?
    Confidence can be a fickle thing, once it is gone it doesn’t just reappear overnight.
    There will be no debt Jubilee.

  178. turkle June 12, 2012 at 1:33 pm #

    Ah the classic Dale versus Vlad feud continues. Ima go get some popcorn. BRB.

  179. dale June 12, 2012 at 1:34 pm #

    If you listen to the environmentalists, biologists, ecologists, and other experts on these matters, they almost unanimously predict the opposite, though, as I’ve stated before, everyone seems off on the particular time scale.
    So you’re saying there are experts who don’t predict major collapse? Why would they be so optimistic? What are their reasons?
    ———————————
    Turkle,
    No one knows when collapse will happen, although any reasonable examination of history would suggest it always does. Overreach followed by collapse, and the cycle starts all over again. Often the reasons are environmental, or a combination of environmental and social.
    “Predicting” such a thing is sort of like predicting Hailey’s comet will return, doesn’t make you a genius for doing so. The only difference is they know when Hailey’s comet returns, collapse is something else again.
    History also shows that we are terrible at predicting the timing of such things…..no, make that horribly terrible at predicting the timing of such things. Any reasonable examination of history would suggest it pure folly to think otherwise. One sure way you know you are listening to a fool is, he will attempt to predict such colossally complex events.
    Modernity could collapse sometime in the next five years, or stumble along like a drunken fool for another 200. Furthermore, how do we know what would be better? Environmental collapse may keep mankind from destroying itself, would that be a good or bad outcome?
    One thing I am absolutely sure about, things change, constantly, and attempts to stop change is doomed to failure. Some species will survive, other will fail, the “earth” will be just fine either way.

  180. Vlad Krandz June 12, 2012 at 1:36 pm #

    A wise policy since Blacks would then drive the Jewish kids away or at least try to. Recently Israel expelled thousands of illegal Black Africans. Meanwhile Jews all over the world agitate Western Goverments on behalf of illegals. It’s always do what I say not as I do with the Jews.

  181. dale June 12, 2012 at 1:37 pm #

    Right Dale. Just like when people take LSD or Psilocybin they “believe” that they “percieve” that colors are brighter. But what is the proof that they are so percieving – maybe they just believe themselves to be doing so! Or perhaps they are lying!
    ————————————-
    Precisely my point Vlad, if you can park your emotions for a moment let’s examine your claim. What is perception and what is conception.
    Starting with, how did you know the two guys were “Chinese”?

  182. dale June 12, 2012 at 1:43 pm #

    Good one dale but it is a condo and I have had a helluva time with critters taking up residence in my ceilings.
    —————————–
    get those limbs away from your roof.

  183. asoka. June 12, 2012 at 1:45 pm #

    Just as I predicted yesterday, in response to the terrorist message posted by Q., today most of the loss has been gained back. Markets are not falling.
    DOW 12513.37 UP +102.14? (0.82% GAIN?)

  184. scott June 12, 2012 at 1:50 pm #

    I pay the HOA $200 a month to maintain the property. Like many HOA’s and practically everything else in this world it is corrupt. To give you one example of many, all of the roofs here need replacing. They are flat roofs, my roof they paid some fly by night Latinos $3,000 to roll out some roofing paper and put some diluted hot tar on it. Wouldn’t doubt the property manager got a kickback out of that.
    HOA board members get $16,000 state of the art warranted flat roof systems on their buildings.

  185. turkle June 12, 2012 at 1:52 pm #

    Oh come on Diggity Dale. Vlad is our resident expert on all things racial. I bet he can tell someone’s skin color and country of origin by the smell of their farts. He’s that good.

  186. Vlad Krandz June 12, 2012 at 1:53 pm #

    Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee. John Donne
    Let you heart expand Zone. Don’t be a grinch. You hate Welles because he’s a human being who has escaped the wretchedness you’re stuck in. If YOU escaped, you wouldn’t give a shit about the folks back home. But he’s not like that, not like you.

  187. Vlad Krandz June 12, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

    Fuck you, it’s my point. Perception is a mental event as much as physical. No psychologist can deny that trippers aren’t experiencing what they say they are. The fact that so many experience the same thing is a kind of proof in itself. See Varieties of Pyschedelic Experience by Jean Houston.
    And why would they lie? Why would I? Most people don’t lie just for the fun of it. That’s what psychopaths like you do.
    How did I know they were Chinese? They looked Chinese. Near Chinatown in Boston. Many Chinese and few Japanese, Koreans, but some Vietmanese too. I grant you they could have been Vietmanese who look alot like the Southern Chinese who are the large majority in Boston’s Chinatown. And of course many ethnic Chinese live in Vietnam.
    Nothing was said, but the contempt on the man’s face was eloquent. There are many ways to communicate. I’m sorry if you can’t read non verbal signals – they are a universal language. And do you reall believe he would have thrown such a look at a White or Black bum? No, why would he care so much? See perception doesn’t explain itself – it takes some thinking to interpret it as well.

  188. turkle June 12, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

    OR just learn to like the taste of freshly BBQ’d raccoon and squirrel. Plus, you can make a cool retro hat from the hides. I’m full of good ideas today!

  189. scott June 12, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

    The have put so many layers of roofing paper and diluted hot tar roof fixes over the years they have covered up the plumbing vents. Now sewer gasses are venting into the common areas of the building. Had to entirely demo out my master bathroom to seal everything off from those gasses. The plumbing chases are huge and they are full of shredded paper from the circa late 60’s slag wool insulation.
    One set of units burned quickly recently when a plumber was sweating in a new shower valve he ignited the shredded paper and the chimney effect of the plumbing vent quickly spread to the roof.

  190. Vlad Krandz June 12, 2012 at 2:13 pm #

    Eric Holder just asked to step down. What a Creep. Hopefully Obama will have the sense to ditch him, but I doubt it.
    North Dakota voting on getting rid of the property tax. What a glorious thing never to have to worry about losing your home. How could anyone vote for the tax – it’s against what this Country was supposed to be all about.

  191. asoka. June 12, 2012 at 2:13 pm #

    Furthermore, how do we know what would be better? Environmental collapse may keep mankind from destroying itself, would that be a good or bad outcome?
    ================
    Are you going for the prize yourself, what with the question marks and all.
    Modernity could collapse sometime in the next five years, or stumble along like a drunken fool for another 200.
    This is what I believe also. Since we cannot know, instead of worrying, the enjoyment of the present moment is sufficient.
    Enjoying the present moment is enhanced when you have a Plan B in a place not requiring heating or cooling, have built an adobe hut, paid off all your debts, gotten off the grid, and lowered your income to below a taxable level.
    Worry is also minimized if you do not have any investments in the “financial industry” and do not buy any gold or silver. (Owning “precious” metals just means you have to worry about protecting them and yourself. They own you.)
    Whenever a Black Friday happens, not having any savings or investments means no worry about losing your “assets” in a “crash.”
    Es mejor vivir con lo mínimo necesario.
    Make decisions that mean freedom from worry. It doesn’t require wealth. Just get free from material wealth.
    Here is a helpful FREE EBOOK to get started:
    Thriving on Less – Simplifying in a Tough Economy by Leo Babuta

  192. turkle June 12, 2012 at 2:14 pm #

    All racial profiling aside, I’m not sure why you think that contempt for the homeless is somehow laudable or commendable. A lot of people these days are about one paycheck away from being thrown out into the street. Others have mental problems. Heck, a lot of Vietnam vets are homeless, because they were broken and no one took care of them. Thems the breaks, man. Nothing to get all high and mighty about. It is a fallacy to believe that “anyone can make it in America.” Some don’t, so the statement is demonstrably false.
    And aren’t you on public assistance, anyways? Or living at your mom’s house. Or something. Because I thought you mentioned being out of work for awhile. So why haven’t you made it big in the land of plenty, Vladski? Is it some basic character flaw or is it another case of the “The Man” holding you down?

  193. Vlad Krandz June 12, 2012 at 2:17 pm #

    Now you’re ready to start shrinking heads – just pick up a drum and a few magical bones. Also a good Pot. Need I say more?

  194. turkle June 12, 2012 at 2:21 pm #

    “What a Creep.”
    And you’re not?

  195. Vlad Krandz June 12, 2012 at 2:21 pm #

    I don’t condone the man’s attitude completely. But Chinese do help each other out alot so his failure might be more his own fault than a typical White or Black’s. I thought I made that clear when I said in Old China it wasn’t someone’s fault if they were destitute.
    You obviously have no compassion for any White Man down on his luck. Your kind never does since you only get points for being good to Non Whites. It’s all about the points with you people. How you can live with such a vile attitude escapes me.

  196. Vlad Krandz June 12, 2012 at 2:22 pm #

    You like Eric Holder? What a creep.

  197. dale June 12, 2012 at 2:25 pm #

    OK, so maybe one was “Chinese” and the other could have been some other ethnic group entirely. When you see contempt in someone eyes or in their voice (apparently they weren’t speaking english) that allows you to determine what the conversation was about? Maybe the guy was mad at the homeless man because he was sitting outside of his business and driving business away… nothing to do with being “Chinese” or ethnic pride. For all you know the two could have been related and having a family dispute.
    This is the point I was trying to make, your judgements are so distorted by your conceptions you don’t know what you see, even in the conventional sense.

  198. turkle June 12, 2012 at 2:31 pm #

    Race warrior Vlad is now talking about MY lack of compassion for other people. Vlad, you are such an inadvertent comedian, a true master of irony.
    Well, I don’t have any compassion for you, but let’s not go too far and extend this lack of sympathy to entire races. Perhaps if you looked for a job using one tenth the energy you pour into astroturfing here, you’d actually find some gainful employment. But I guess it is easier to just continue trolling day after day after day and blame it all on your bum luck. Beats working, doesn’t it? But something actually tells me that it is your terrible attitude about other people that prevents you from getting work. Potential employers probably get a nice big whiff of your bad vibes and take a pass.

  199. scott June 12, 2012 at 2:32 pm #

    Maybe I jumped to conclusions to quickly when I thought those sewer gasses were the new neighbors in the unit below me making crank? They all have meth melt teeth, shaved heads with death tattooed on the side of them and the first thing they did after moving in was to black out all of the windows and put, “warning guard dog” signs up.
    I really didn’t notice those sewer gasses before they moved in. Maybe they are disassembling lithium batteries and sometimes short circuiting some of them in the process and when they get too hot they have to douse them in the shower to cool them off? SO2 would be the gas that would be emitted from such a process.

  200. turkle June 12, 2012 at 2:36 pm #

    Um, no, not particularly. He’s just your standard “know nothing” apparatchik/technocrat who is continually covering his hide.
    So you just making things up again, Vladdie? Par for the course.
    I will say this though. I like him more than I like you.

  201. Rhino June 12, 2012 at 2:40 pm #

    There’s a lot more to talk about than just the finances, which is more a symptom than a cause. – Turkle
    Chicken and egg phenom to some extent IMO.
    For a while everyone “felt good”. Houses were being built and mortgages were being written at a huge pace. House prices were booming, people were buying houses that they couldn’t previously dream of owning a home.
    And then the crash. How did it happen? Greenspan was printing money like there was no tomorrow ie the Fed was pulling money out of its ass in Jimmy the K’s parlance. New financial products were being devised like collateralized debt obligations and credit default swaps wnd ninja (liar) loans to help banks deploy all that dough that Greenspan was conjuring.
    But, inevitably, the economy hit the debt wall with a huge splat. People didn’t have the jobs that provided the income to pay those mortgages. And so they started to default and all those financial instruments backed by all those non performing mortgages went bad.
    Why did Greenspan do it? I don’t know. You might accuse him of wanting to make his buddies on Wall Street happy. But if you think the policy was well intentioned you might say Greenspan wanted to help the USA skate over the effects of offshoring. Offshoring was draining America of jobs and capital and Greenspan was trying to keep the boat afloat. Something like the stimulative (and massively inflationary) monetary policy in the 1970s as central bank governors tried to counteract the effects of oil shocks.
    So, if you go with this line of reasoning, Greenspan was using monetary policy to counter-act the effects of “real” economic changes. An inappropriate/ineffective use of monetary policy IOW. Stimulative monetary policy could be seen as the symptom of the underlying changes in the real economy – offshoring – but it was also the cause of the subsequent torrent of mal-investment (in Eleuthero’s words).

  202. dale June 12, 2012 at 2:41 pm #

    You like Eric Holder? What a creep.
    —————————–
    Vlad, to anyone arm’s length away from you, it clear you are an absolute puppet on a string to every emotional state that comes careening into your skull. You are completely out of control. It would be laughable to anyone who has no compassion for you and doesn’t realize how much suffering you are creating for yourself.

  203. Vlad Krandz June 12, 2012 at 2:42 pm #

    “Tolerance and Apathy are the last virtues of a dying Society.” Aristotle

  204. turkle June 12, 2012 at 2:45 pm #

    Well I’m confused now. Isn’t tolerance part of being compassionate? Or are you more a fan of “tough love”?

  205. turkle June 12, 2012 at 2:46 pm #

    “an absolute puppet on a string to every emotional state that comes careening into your skull”
    I like this. Can I steal it for my repertoire?

  206. Vlad Krandz June 12, 2012 at 2:46 pm #

    Character assasination is not a logical argument, Dale. You have to explain and yes, defend, why you like Eric Holder. Most normal people find him sickening now that he has revealed what he is.
    Do you like him because he’s Black? Aren’t you special! Btw, he’s not Black – use your eyes.

  207. dale June 12, 2012 at 2:46 pm #

    apparently you’re surrounded!

  208. Vlad Krandz June 12, 2012 at 2:49 pm #

    Tolerating the intolerable is slave morality, little Turk. You better be careful: you’re going to lose Charlie. Buck and him were flirting the other day while you weren’t around.
    It will be tough luck not love for you when he leaves becase you were taking him for granted.

  209. turkle June 12, 2012 at 2:50 pm #

    He doesn’t have to DO anything, Vlad. And then, again, we have a hilarious example of your hypocrisy, wherein you accuse him of character assassination, and but a few posts ago you accused me of being a “creep” for no good reason at all. And round and round we go.

  210. dale June 12, 2012 at 2:51 pm #

    Character assasination is not a logical argument, Dale. You have to explain and yes, defend, why you like Eric Holder. Most normal people find him sickening now that he has revealed what he is.
    —————————–
    Vlad, pointing out the logical inconsistencies in how you draw conclusions, isn’t character assassination.

  211. Rhino June 12, 2012 at 2:51 pm #

    You can have empathy for someone’s suffering and be unwilling to tolerate their behavior.
    The question is what are you willing to tolerate? How do you define “tolerance”? There’s different ways of looking at it.

  212. Vlad Krandz June 12, 2012 at 2:54 pm #

    He wrote a standard economic text in his youth complete with warnings about fiat currency. Eveidently he sold out when the big boys invited him in. What is their plan? I’d say they want to crash the system and then assume absolute power.
    They never cared about Capitalism or Communism per se – these were vehicles, nothing more. The real thing is to get to the Top and stay there. So much for Democracy or Constitutional Goverment.

  213. Vlad Krandz June 12, 2012 at 2:56 pm #

    I “know” you as an internet entity. I remember you as a creep from reading you and talking to you online over the last couple of years.

  214. turkle June 12, 2012 at 2:58 pm #

    Um…okay. Me no understand your post beyond the first sentence. Some kind of inside joke?
    And, regarding Eric Holder, I don’t particularly like him. I watched his performance in front of Congress in the Fast and Furious testimony, and it sure was incredible how much he didn’t remember or didn’t know. Apparently, no one tells him anything. But he’s hardly unique in that respect. Practically every official who shows up in front of Congress conveniently forgets dates and details that would incriminate them or make them look bad.
    But, you know, in the scheme of things, I’m not going to waste any energy hating on him. He’s a rather small cog in a big machine. I think there are probably others who are far more deserving of my ire. Any top official in the infamous Bush administration is far more loathsome than Mr. holder, for instance.
    And is it just a big coincidence that you seem to slaver in Pavlovian fashion over these Fox Newsy topics like Obama’s birth certificate and Eric Holder? You purport to be some kind of independent, but all I see is another right wing sock puppet who asks “how high” when Fox says jump.

  215. Vlad Krandz June 12, 2012 at 3:00 pm #

    So you like Eric Holder? Why, cuz he’s Black? Isn’t that kind of insulting? Doesn’ it imply that’s all he is or has going for him? But, hey you may be right.
    In a society as crazy as our’s, these questions aren’t out of line. After all, Obama got elected because he’s Black.

  216. dale June 12, 2012 at 3:01 pm #

    I like this. Can I steal it for my repertoire?
    ————————
    You bet, I steal material all the time.
    I’m done for the day. Wish it would help the guy to point out how nakedly foolish what he says is, but in reality it probably only feeds his misbegotten sense of being a victim. Which he is, of course…. of himself.
    You can read and study all you want, imagine yourself an intellectual, quote Aristotle even, but if you insist on living in the surface film of life, you’ll never be anything but a cipher, one without weight, or substance.

  217. charliefoxtrot June 12, 2012 at 3:10 pm #

    difference, you pathetic insect, is that the woman who just fucked my brains out, and is right now washing dishes- and yeah, she s barefoot- is my girlfriend…the woman screaming at you to wash the goddamned dishes already is your momma…so quit pullin’ yer pud and gitcher chores finished, boy

  218. turkle June 12, 2012 at 3:20 pm #

    Touche.

  219. BeantownBill June 12, 2012 at 3:48 pm #

    Dale, it’s all a matter of perspective. You know the saying, “the early bird catches the worm”, a metaphor for don’t procrastinate. But from the worm’s point of view it’s “the early worm who gets caught”, a metaphor for don’t be over-anxious. Same situation in both cases, but different outcomes for each, one positive, one negative.
    Same with the past and the future, a matter of perspective – it’s how you look at things. When Rome was sacked it was bad for the Romans; their civilization took a death blow. But for the Germanic tribes that followed, it was a major advance that ultimately led to the rise of middle and north Europe.
    Where I think CFNers go in the wrong direction, is not fully appreciating the meaning of evolution and change. Human civilization is evolving as a result of accelerating change. Now this evolution may result in only 500,000,000 people going forward into the future, but continuing into the future we will. One man’s collapse is another man’s change. Even if our society doesn’t “collapse”, we would barely recognize it 75 years from now.
    If one looks broadly at human civilization over a long time-scale, one would see that civilizationally speaking we have continued to evolve. You know what TEOTWAWKI stands for, the key words being “as we know it”. In this light, one can see that TEOTWAWKI has been occurring regularly about every 20-40 years. It doesn’t mean extinction or severe regression.

  220. Bustin J June 12, 2012 at 4:05 pm #

    JD sed, “I had to look up cloacal and it ain’t pretty.”
    Its where breakfast comes from for billions of people.

  221. asoka. June 12, 2012 at 4:11 pm #

    This sounds reasonable. I think what many CFNers get excited about (in a morbid, rubber-necking, kind of way) is your statement:
    Now this evolution may result in only 500,000,000 people going forward into the future, but continue into the future we will.
    I posit that many people here are leading boring lives and actually look forward to collapse to make life more interesting. Sad.
    There is plenty to do to prepare. Here is a helpful FREE e-BOOK in PDF to get started:
    Thriving on Less – Simplifying in a Tough Economy by Leo Babuta

  222. asoka. June 12, 2012 at 4:21 pm #

    The Ku Klux Klan (KKK) is an organization intent on promoting white supremacy through terrorism and political violence. Throughout their 150+ years of activity, they’ve organized and carried out lynchings, bombings, cross burnings and actively campaigned against the Civil Rights Movement and desegregation. Anyone who does not fit their narrow definition of being a “true American”- white and Christian- is a target of their violence, including African Americans, Catholics, Jews, immigrants, communists, etc. Their death toll numbers are in the thousands and the damages they have inflicted on our country are immeasurable.
    And now, the Ku Klux Klan wants to “adopt” a highway in Georgia.
    The “adopt a highway” program allows local civic-minded organizations to help clean up stretches of highways in return for free advertising along the road. Meaning the KKK would be able to advertise their organization and increase their membership on public land, for free.
    Harley Hanson, the leader of the Klan’s Realm of Georgia who filed the application for the Klan, says: “I love my race. Does that make me wrong? I’m proud to be white.”
    The KKK is not a civic-minded organization; they are a domestic terror group.
    “What’s next, are we going to let Neo-Nazis or the Taliban or al-Qaida adopt highways?” asks Georgia State Rep. Tyrone Brooks.
    And I agree. So now I’m calling on the Georgia Department of Transportation to reject the KKK’s application to adopt a highway. Terrorists have no place on the sides of our highways.
    Sign a petition to Georgia Dept. of Transportation. http://www.change.org/petitions/don-t-let-the-kkk-adopt-a-highway

  223. Bustin J June 12, 2012 at 4:22 pm #

    Beano bleats “If one looks broadly at human civilization over a long time-scale, one would see that civilizationally speaking we have continued to evolve. You know what TEOTWAWKI stands for, the key words being “as we know it”. In this light, one can see that TEOTWAWKI has been occurring regularly about every 20-40 years. It doesn’t mean extinction or severe regression.”
    Reading your attempt to define the terms of your conclusion in order to justify your reasoning… is annoying.
    My impression is that civilization is changing, but we (humans in general) are not evolving, because the selection pressures remain more or less the same. It all comes down to who women will fuck in what circumstances and by what criteria. The standards are as low as ever. Except now we have pervasive organic and inorganic pollution.
    Technology will drive human evolution, if we get there, from here on out.

  224. dale June 12, 2012 at 4:28 pm #

    Precisely, and all of our perspectives are so limited by our corporeal nature.
    I saw a program on evolution that traced the rise of Homo Sapiens to a period of rapid cycles in the weather a few hundred thousand years ago. Before that early hominids had been doing just fine for 100s thousand of years, didn’t need to change.
    My problem with the aggressive environmental mindset isn’t it’s moral POV, which I’m largely in agreement with, but its lack of adherence to rationality and perspective.
    I’ve not heard any environmental scientist who would claim that anything we are likely to do, in terms of modifying our collective behavior, would have any significant impact. At best, the very best, it might put off the inevitable for a few years.
    You want to REALLY change it. End population growth and human avarice. Anything else is playing on the margins.
    Environmentalist seem to imagine that humans are outside of the equation of nature, but that isn’t true, were not as in control of our destiny as we like to think. If the die off comes, whenever, it may be just what destiny called for to catalyze real evolutionary change.

  225. dale June 12, 2012 at 4:31 pm #

    OK I’m done being preachy, Asoka, how much are you making on each of those books anyway?

  226. dale June 12, 2012 at 4:38 pm #

    My impression is that civilization is changing, but we (humans in general) are not evolving,
    ————————–
    Yeah that appears to us, with our limited lifespans, to be true. However, that same program had scientists saying that evolution is moving faster now than it ever did, something they can determine from genetic analysis. Surprised me, did’t say if it’s moving in the right direction.;)

  227. kenuck June 12, 2012 at 4:40 pm #

    As george carlin put it “pack your shit, we’re going away”..good run..too bad we’re takin the innocent on the way…weee!

  228. dale June 12, 2012 at 4:41 pm #

    BTW — nice to have an intelligent conversation here, it’s been a long time. Between the emotionalizing and the politicizing, it’s become about six sigma horseshit.

  229. Vlad Krandz June 12, 2012 at 5:00 pm #

    Holder is a complete Tyrant – obviously. You are going very easy on him cuz he’s Black and part of Obmama’s Administration. And you like him cuz he’s Black and a Socialist.

  230. Vlad Krandz June 12, 2012 at 5:04 pm #

    In other words, you got nuthin. You adore Eric Holder because he’s Black and an appointee of the Divine Obama. And you use Buddhist Epistemology in an attempt to obfuscate commonsense and ordinary communcation. Shame on you for perverting the Dharma.

  231. anti soak June 12, 2012 at 5:06 pm #

    Whats good for the joos aint good for the goyim.
    [My apologies to Mother Goose].

  232. Buck Stud June 12, 2012 at 5:37 pm #

    So I had the TV on earlier today when I learned via a political ad that Massachusetts lost thousands of manufacturing jobs while Romney was the governor – twice the national average or so the ad stated. In the very next commercial I learned something entirely different: that Romney actually reduced unemployment in Massachusetts when he was governor!
    Back and forth the commercials went – I personally listened to five pairs before turning the TV off – like ideological ping-pong balls.
    Meanwhile, in another Obama ad an older working-man is lamenting Romney’s lamentable record in regards to manufacturing jobs. This guy looks like a union worker out of the 50s, a real lunch pale carrying type of laborer. The only problem is these type of American born workers don’t really exist in large numbers anymore. Moreover, will a young worker serving coffee at Starbucks for ten bucks an hour, or stocking shelves at Walmart, develop an ideological alliance with the union working man who makes three times that amount plus benefits?
    No, the young worker, many of whom are saddled with tens of thousands of dollars worth of college student loan debt will not feel solidarity, they will feel disdain and it will be the disdain instilled by those pitting the scramblers for the scraps against one another. It’s the race to the bottom and the triumph of the unjust argument, Socrates be damned.
    It’s capitalism without conscience and Ted ‘Bonehead’ Nugent pounding out “Dog-Eat Dog” lyrics as the blood drips from the corner of his savage right-wing mouth, symbolic of capitalism’s descent into cannibalism.
    It’s the “Conservative” master plan come to full fruition, billowing in the celebratory cigar smoke of Rush Limbaugh.

  233. dale June 12, 2012 at 5:49 pm #

    In other words, you got nuthin. You adore Eric Holder because he’s Black and an appointee of the Divine Obama.
    ————————————–
    To answer your question Vlad, as an “attorney general” Holder seems to me to be something of an empty suit, who failed to go after the criminality on wall street and the Bush administration. But, of course, that is what Obama wanted him to be, and I tend to think the same is true of Obama.
    That being said, I don’t “like” or “dislike” Holder. Making such distinctions is beside the point, and reducing it to emotion is childish IMO.
    The same could be said of you, while your “persona” here, “Vlad”, is a seriously distorted two dimensional image or a complete and functional human being. “You” are not, and only need to be willing to realize the true nature of reality to see yourself in your true light. You may find it hard to believe, because I do kid you from time to time, and you take it way too seriously, but I hope you do make that transition in this life.

  234. dale June 12, 2012 at 5:53 pm #

    BTW — If you need any proof of the truth of karma. Consider what happened after I teased you about your cat pissing on you. Night before last, our cat walked over to me, took one look at me, and barfed on my foot, and I was wearing sandals! I yelled at the cat, and my wife got mad at me….ya can’t win.

  235. anti soak June 12, 2012 at 6:00 pm #

    ‘Why did Greenspan do it? I don’t know. ‘
    I do, he inflated a bubble.
    He was paid to lie.
    He said ‘the economy is strong’!!!!!!!!!!!
    The best critique of him is in one of Jim Rogers books, its short and bitter. He was a failure long before his incompetence / dishonesty made him world famous.
    [Investment Banker and Adventure Capitalist are the 2 books. Not sure which one briefly mentions him].

  236. BeantownBill June 12, 2012 at 6:17 pm #

    As a lifetime Massachustts resident, I got disinterested in Mass. politics – too much incompetence and corruption. I didn’t follow Romney closely when he was governor, but I saw that a lot of his problems as governor were because the state Democrats fought him tooth and nail on most everything he tried to do – kind of what Obama has gone through with the Republicans. To bridge that gap between the parties requires a perceived strong leader with stature who commands respect, and I don’t think either candidate has those qualities.

  237. BeantownBill June 12, 2012 at 6:32 pm #

    Return bleat to you, Bustin:
    I wasn’t trying to justify my reasoning, I was trying to point out that using various pet doomer terms could have more positive implications than originally intended.
    And I said “civilizationally speaking” we have continued to evolve, not biologically, although we probably are genetically as well. I should have been more clear in making my point.

  238. BeantownBill June 12, 2012 at 6:36 pm #

    It’s funny you said capitalism without a conscience, because I’ve always advocated “capitalism with a conscience”, although I’m beginning to wonder if that’s possible.

  239. insufferable June 12, 2012 at 6:51 pm #

    I really don’t care if Europe goes under. When they originally came up with the idea of the European Union the United States felt as though it would impact our economy negatively. We tried Nafta and then South America trade and eventually China trade. All was done to off set the impact of the European Union on the U.S. economy and compete with them. The EU did relatively well and America didn’t do so well. The Bankers got busy with risky business that led us into the mess that led us to the bigger mess today. However, I think we secretly are HAPPY that Europe is failing. And I will go out on a limb and say that I think we actually caused their problems directly or indirectly. Once Americans stopped buying and traveling en masse, the world stopped too. If Europe goes under it doesn’t automatically mean we will. Of course, I am not sure about anything, because I really know only what they tell us. I am making an educated guess. But again, I really don’t care if Greece, Italy, Spain, Ireland, England and Germany goes back to their own currencies. They really were living off the American dollar anyway. So if you look at it that way, their Economy started tanking in 2008.

  240. anti soak June 12, 2012 at 7:39 pm #

    Butttttt, hes not Black, he is mixed race.
    Sad that some folks had such a happy day when someone was elected POTUS and their happiness was due to the fact the man elected is only half white!

  241. asoka. June 12, 2012 at 8:33 pm #

    Romney is showing himself incompetent when it comes to government spending programs. First he says we don’t need more police, firefighters, and teachers. Then he says no federal money is spent on those jobs. He was only off by billions of dollars when he said Tuesday that the federal government doesn’t pay for police officers, firefighters and teachers.
    Trying to counter criticism from the White House, Romney argued that it was “completely absurd” to say he would cut the hiring of such civil servants because the federal government plays no part in those decisions.
    “That’s a very strange accusation,” Romney said on “Fox & Friends.” “Of course, teachers and firemen and policemen are hired at the local level and also by states. The federal government doesn’t pay for teachers, firefighters or policemen. So obviously that is completely absurd.”
    In fact, the federal government spends huge amounts of money to support all those professions through federal spending under Title 1, IDEA, COPS and the SAFER program..

  242. turkle June 12, 2012 at 8:38 pm #

    “I really don’t care if Europe goes under.”
    You might. Whose to say that wouldn’t cause a chain reaction that crashes the world economy? It is all interconnected these days. American banks own gobs of EU bonds and Euro banks have tons of American bonds.

  243. turkle June 12, 2012 at 9:01 pm #

    Vlad, are you deliberately dense or just missing brain cells? Dale said, quite explicitly, that he neither likes nor dislikes Holder and does not think of political officials in those terms. Yet you then turn around and state that Dale “adores” Holder. This is called the Straw Man Fallacy, where you argue against a position your opponent never made. You seem awful fond of it. In fact, I could point to multiple instances every week in which you get into arguments with yourself over points that were never stated.

  244. asoka. June 12, 2012 at 9:35 pm #

    dale, the book is a free PDF download. I get nothing by recommending it except good karma.
    Contributing something positive to CFN, helping those who need help simplifying their lives. I am fine because I’ve worked at preparing for years, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want to be helpful to others. I don’t just think about myself.

  245. asoka. June 12, 2012 at 9:46 pm #

    The U.S. Department of Justice filed a federal lawsuit against Florida calling on it halt the ongoing purge because it is within 90 days of a federal election.
    The Scott administration a day earlier filed its own lawsuit demanding access to a federal immigration database that it says could help identify non-U.S. citizens.
    Non-citizens in Florida pay taxes and should be able to vote. We fought a war over that right.
    NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!

  246. asoka. June 12, 2012 at 10:24 pm #

    CORRECTION
    ALL UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS WORKING IN THE USA SHOULD BE ABLE TO VOTE!
    Immigrants have money automatically deducted directly from their paychecks —even those who are here illegally. But how? Well, the Social Security Administration estimates that 75% of undocumented immigrants are actually on formal payrolls and are paid by check just like anyone else.
    They get on the payroll by using fake or fraudulent social security numbers or social security numbers of the deceased, which are easily available from counterfeiters for a couple hundred dollars.
    A growing number of undocumented immigrants now file their income taxes using Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINs). ITINs are issued by the IRS for filing purposes only and do not provide permission to work.
    Sales Tax: Every time you buy something, you pay sales tax. That money goes to state and local governments. Staying at a hotel or renting a car, you pay state and local taxes. If you fill up your gas tank, you automatically pay state and federal gasoline taxes. If you buy liquor or cigarettes, you automatically pay various local, state, and federal excise taxes. Immigrants —legal and illegal —all buy things, and thus pay these taxes as part of their purchase.
    Property Tax: Local governments also collect property taxes, which are a percentage of the value of one’s home and fund services like schools, certain medical services, and police and fire stations. Immigrants —legal and illegal —pay these taxes directly if they own a home, or indirectly if they rent.
    Possible instances of overpayment
    Illegal immigrants pay into Social Security via automatic payroll deductions, but they can never claim Social Security benefits because they are here illegally and because their Social Security numbers are fake. It’s estimated that undocumented immigrants pay about $7 billion per year in Social Security taxes that they will never be able to reclaim.
    Most Americans get tax refunds at the end of the year. Illegal immigrants don’t get refunds unless they file, which many don’t do because they fear deportation.

  247. asoka. June 12, 2012 at 10:44 pm #

    Speaking of immigrants, President Obama has a 34% lead over Romney with Latino voters (in the latest NBC/Wall Street Journal/Telemundo poll)

  248. Buck Stud June 12, 2012 at 11:08 pm #

    To bridge that gap between the parties requires a perceived strong leader with stature who commands respect, and I don’t think either candidate has those qualities.

    Bill,
    I’m not sure any leader, past or present, could liquify the current ossification of political ideology into a partisan river flowing in one united direction. Truly the country is irreconcilably divided. Perhaps when more of the masses become disenfranchised will a semblance of ideological consensus arrive; but even at that, only after many former right-wingers have a good long look in the mirror and shake off the denial of being duped for so many years.

  249. Buck Stud June 12, 2012 at 11:19 pm #

    Mangas Coloradas was a 6′ 4″ Apache leader and Gen George Crook and his 5000 US cavalrymen could not defeat Geronimo and his small band of warriors – they simply became tired of the pursuit and running.
    GW in the Apache desert? I would not of bet on him.
    BTW, are you doing OK? Ol’ Dale and Turkle really worked you over today – rest easy.

  250. asoka. June 12, 2012 at 11:21 pm #

    Even US Soldiers Are Waking Up to USA War Crimes
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=W6TlQbuLjIU

  251. Vlad Krandz June 12, 2012 at 11:30 pm #

    Thank you Dale – that was the first humble thing you’ve said in a long time. Just for the record, my cat did not piss on me but on the rug. You heard what you wanted to hear and then it happened to you.
    It’s beautiful – a “Eucatastrophe”. Now what moral are you going to take away from this incursion from the realm of Fairy?

  252. Vlad Krandz June 12, 2012 at 11:40 pm #

    Who won, Whites or Indians? And George Washington was White – our hero. Blacks don’t root for White players btw, nor do Black kids ever wear the number or name of a White Player. And whose more racist again?
    I kicked their ass and you know it – just like I just kicked your’s.

  253. Vlad Krandz June 12, 2012 at 11:45 pm #

    His glorius explication about Holder was after my accusatory post. You make mistakes like that everytime we argue. It’s almost like you care more about winning than the Truth. I usually win because the Truth is advocate. God is my Co-Pilot or I’m his.

  254. Vlad Krandz June 12, 2012 at 11:54 pm #

    My brother pointed out something interesting: Obama senior was pure Negro and thus very dark like most Negroes from that area. Usually the offspring of a White and a pure Negro is much darker with far more negroid features than Obama has. Obama may well have been fathered by one of the other Black activists that she dated. Perhaps the college professor – I forget his name but he had the skin tone that would produce someone like Obama.

  255. Kyooshtik June 12, 2012 at 11:58 pm #

    Asoka, read this and let us know what you think.
    http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/06/11/why-the-bailout-in-spain-wont-work/

  256. Buck Stud June 13, 2012 at 12:19 am #

    Interesting new theory that Christopher Columbus was Jewish – and the cream keeps on rising to the top:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/22/christopher-columbus-jewish_n_1534928.html

  257. asoka. June 13, 2012 at 12:48 am #

    Andrew Ross Sorkin runs with people like Julia Allison and Nouriel Roubini. I think he is overpaid at $250,000 to write columns like this one which say nothing.
    Besides, Andrew’s commentary has now been proven mistaken. My predication (made yesterday) has been validated.
    You may recall you pointed out the DOW went down 1.14% yesterday and I responded that it would go back up today. Indeed it did, and more!
    12573.80 +162.57? (Gain of 1.31%?)
    The fact that he has already been proven wrong about the market reaction does not inspire any confidence in the rest of his commentary, especially as he uses “slippery eel” vocabulary:
    “should be apparent”
    “it now appears”
    “it could be argued”
    But his conclusion that “kicking the can down the road will fail” is basically wrong. Kicking the can down the road has worked. Historical precedent is not on Andrew’s side. The Euro has worked although many, like Andrew, never thought it would get off the ground to begin with. Here are some of his previous columns:
    2010 … Volcker Worried About Dissolution of Euro Zone …. Andrew Ross Sorkin
    2008 … Euro Zone Nears Moment of Truth on Staying Together
    2007 … “With an excruciating choice between austerity measures and a departure from the euro, the birthplace of democracy is frozen…”
    2006 … 90 Seconds with Art Cashin: Will Euro Zone Fall Apart?
    2003 … “Does Andrew Ross Sorkin annoy you, too? … on European elections, about change sweeping through the euro zone, be grateful that you live in the U.S. of A.”
    Andrew has been talking trash about the Euro zone for ten years and none of his predictions of collapse have come true.
    Andrew doesn’t like “kicking the can” and will not accept that kicking the can and electronic QE is the new reality … and it works.

  258. tucsonspur June 13, 2012 at 1:49 am #

    “Break out the bubbly”, says this New York transplant and now fiercely independent Arizona wrangler.
    Jesse Kelly has lost and Ron Barber has won Congressional District 8. Gabbie Giffords territory.
    Positions taken by Kelly and then flip-flopped on:
    Do away completely with Social Security and Medicare, described by Jesse as the greatest Ponzi schemes ever.
    Zero taxes on corporations, 24% on the people, more if needed.
    Eliminate the minimum wage, “We must abolish the program.”
    For the last few weeks his grandfather is all over the tv saying, “Jesse wouldn’t say those things, he’s my grandson.”
    A true blue political whore. Anything for the power.

  259. anti soak June 13, 2012 at 1:56 am #

    Old news, there are pix online [alt right? prison planet? poli-cesspool?] that compare pix of a ChiTown lefty and Obama, they look exactly like father and son.
    Not that I care.
    As a ‘child’ of a third worlder he may have gotten $$$.

  260. anti soak June 13, 2012 at 2:00 am #

    Obama does not look 1/2 Black.
    Official site of Dreams from My Real Father (2012)
    http://www.obamasrealfather.com/
    The film makes the case that Barack Obama’s real father was Frank Marshall Davis, … What was the source of Obama’s foundation in Marxism? … Davis (1905-1987) was a Communist Party USA (CPUSA) propagandist in Chicago.

  261. anti soak June 13, 2012 at 2:06 am #

    Hey Mister Historian, was Columbus jewish and did he
    sell 8 year olds as sex slaves?
    I read that latter info in ‘Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight’.
    And having read comments here for years, I doubt if you care what Turkle or anyone posts about you.

  262. anti soak June 13, 2012 at 2:08 am #

    Wow…no Chinese spams for 2? days.

  263. anti soak June 13, 2012 at 2:12 am #

    Liar, immigrants [esp Mexicans] have larger families if they MOVE HERE.
    And more of their children survive.
    And ‘we’ pay for it, in many ways.
    Also $ ‘they’ sent home feeds ‘them’ and more food = more people and more potential for catastrophe.
    Ask the Irish how they overshot CC.
    kiss off and die soka.

  264. anti soak June 13, 2012 at 2:13 am #

    NEVER say Never. Time will tell.

  265. Mike Moskos June 13, 2012 at 3:21 am #

    The Austrian economists explained reality a long time ago, but everyone has fantasies of an easier way so they went with the alternate view, Keynesian economics.
    Keynes’s basic idea was that you could eliminate the business cycle by putting government money into the economy during downturns. But that only works when you use money SAVED during good times. That flaming queen Keynes thought government could borrow or print any amount of the money and the good times would continue ad infinitum.

  266. Eleuthero June 13, 2012 at 4:07 am #

    Succinctly and well stated, Mike. I would also add that Keynes’ ideas only work in an economy dominated by manufacturing. Keynes didn’t know what a “service economy” even was since they didn’t exist in those days. That “saved” money you refer to was obtained through banking surpluses from the sale of GOODS. People forget that since Biblical times, authorities had SURPLUSES at the start of downturns because they believed that during the “seven years of plenty” you SAVED for the “seven years of lean”.
    In this postmodern era when everyone is a smarty-pants, we think that we can come up with economic “rocket science” that overturns 5000 years of human social history and all of the experiments done during those millenia which led to simple and correct rules of how to run economies.
    If Keynes’ ideas held any water at all, then John Law would have been the most successful financier in history but Mr. Keynes appears to have overlooked the fact that the South Sea Company and Mississippi companies had already failed CENTURIES before his “brilliant” notions were penned.
    It seems to be in the nature of postmodern men to posture as godlike creatures whose wisdom, all by itself, exceeds that of many millenia of men before them as if those men were all primitive cretins. It’s the reason why the world economy is heading into something that will create a war for fake reasons and the reason why there isn’t a shred of a becoming modesty in the financial and political communities. They really think that applying advanced mathematics in spheres where it doesn’t work makes them the Isaac Newton’s of social science.
    It merely makes them look like befuddled gomers. Cheesis K. Reist … the formulae of two of these geniuses (Nobelists Sharpe and Lintner and LTCM) damned near took down the entire US Economy over a wrong-way options bet.
    There has always been Hubris in Man. However, it has never been as pandemic as it is now.
    E.

  267. ozone June 13, 2012 at 7:41 am #

    E.,
    As an addendum, Scott’s post of 10:11AM on the 11th nailed it down as well. (Of course, another policy driven by overarching hubris. Shenanigans, if you will.)
    “The same fundamentals that caused the U.S economic model to fail 1n 1971 are now in place globally except now there is no other worlds left to extrapolate infinite growth in production, consumption and debt creation. ” -scott
    Oopsie!
    As for the big a?
    What say we just crown him Emperor of da Woild and see how it goes?
    As he will shortly tell you, his ducks are indeed in a neat row, as authenticated and proven by a vast array of experts. (It’s all in the facts and stats, man, surrender your futile resistance!)
    I hope the first promise to every human will be: “An electric, self-guided car [with internet access to a.] in every driveway, and a chicken in every self-satisfied mud hut.”
    Quit yer belly-achin’! He’ll be by with some patent nostrums so soothe our fevered brows and return us to the land of Morpheus. Won’t that be nice?
    JHK sez: “It’s All Good!” (tm CFN)

  268. 6qcmujzni1q0 June 13, 2012 at 8:05 am #

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  269. Laura Louzader June 13, 2012 at 8:07 am #

    Scott,
    If you seriously believe your neighbors below are making crank, CALL THE FIRE DEPT. and move the hell out immediately, at least till the authorities get the building clear.
    The police dept might not follow up on a call about drugs because they get so many, but if you call the fire dept and tell them of what you are seeing and smelling they will be right out.
    Don’t wait. This crap can blow your building up. Fires started by cooking crank (and crack) too, tend to be very hot and fast. Please don’t wait.

  270. 6qcmujzni1q0 June 13, 2012 at 8:09 am #

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  271. asoka. June 13, 2012 at 9:00 am #

    it is typical of your rhetorical tactics that you use two DAYS of market behavior as “evidence” of the correctness of a “prediction”.
    =========
    My prediction was specific and time-limited. As such I have a right to claim correctness. Kyoo was claiming the Spanish bailout was a failure based on one day’s trading. So I predicted the next day the market would rebound. I was correct.
    As much as that pains you, you cannot deny the evidence. It was a one-day prediction, not a prediction of how the market will react in six months or six years. I leave that to all you doomsters who are so convinced of the rightness of your positions, based on zero evidence, since we cannot easily verify the correctness of such long-term doomster porn.
    Thank you for your foolish attack (you didn’t even bother to determine the parameters of the argument before declaring it null).
    Thank you for keeping Asoka as the center of attention on CFN. It does wonders for Asoka’s ego to know you are still reading his posts and taking the time to respond.
    Hope you are enjoying your retirement.

  272. progress2conserve June 13, 2012 at 9:34 am #

    “However, as it is evident that you have no real life and you’ve certainly never had any humility OR integrity, you’ve almost single-handedly ruined this blog.”
    -E, to asoka.impediment-
    Well said, E!
    Can we almost hear the clapping together of electrons, like sub-atomic hands across the internet, from the posters who have left CFN due to asoka.disgust.
    And one never has to wait long for a typical asoka.reply, does one?
    “Thank you for keeping Asoka as the center of attention on CFN. It does wonders for Asoka’s ego to know you are still reading his drivel…”
    -asoka.hemorrhoids*-
    CFN is now into its second week of excessively high asoka.infestation. I wonder why he does it.
    *old joke, paraphrased.
    Question:Why is asoka like a case of hemorrhoids?
    Anwer: Because he’s a pain in the ass and he never goes away.
    HAW! HAW! HAW!

  273. progress2conserve June 13, 2012 at 9:41 am #

    Interesting post Buck, thanks!
    I wish you would elaborate on this phrase, and tell us what it means to you, deep-down:
    “and the cream keeps on rising to the top:”
    ========================
    And do you suppose Columbus was an Atheist, too?
    That seems unlikely.
    What do you think?

  274. asoka. June 13, 2012 at 9:46 am #

    I wonder why he does it.
    ==========
    Yes, you do.

  275. dale June 13, 2012 at 9:50 am #

    I thought “YOU” and your carpet are one and the same, kind of like you and your thoughts.

  276. asoka. June 13, 2012 at 9:51 am #

    I wish you would elaborate on this phrase, and tell us what it means to you, deep-down:
    ================
    P2C, the meaning was clear… perhaps disturbing to you, but clear.
    I wish you would stop feigning stupidity to cover your racism.

  277. dale June 13, 2012 at 9:51 am #

    I was kidding for fuck sakes.

  278. asoka. June 13, 2012 at 9:52 am #

    I have no idea what you are referring to.

  279. asoka. June 13, 2012 at 9:57 am #

    It’s gonna be a long week.

  280. charliefoxtrot June 13, 2012 at 10:26 am #

    AHA!! ‘Shenanigans’ has been called! that means it s time to bring out the REAL tools of social change: fuck the torches and pitchforks; EVERYONE grab yer broom and meet in South Park!

  281. Kyooshtik June 13, 2012 at 11:17 am #

    I responded that it would go back up today.
    he uses “slippery eel” vocabulary:
    “it could be argued”
    ===============
    That’s not correct Asoka. You DID NOT say the market “would” go back up [the next day], you said it “could” go back up. You used perfectly hedged language.
    And then, BTW, you admitted that saying “could” is “slippery eel” vocabulary.

  282. Michigan Native June 13, 2012 at 12:02 pm #

    Wow….you mean Asoka is a chick? Liberals live in a dream world as do the neocons, somewhere in between lays reality as expoused by Ron Paul and the Libertarians. Anyone see that new cartoon making rounds on the internet? One side shows Martin Luther King “I have a dream”, the other shows Obama “I have a drone”. It’s fucking hilarious. I am going to reopen my old facebook account with all the cool pics and jokes so you all can see what Detroit is really like. Coming soon

  283. BeingThere June 13, 2012 at 12:08 pm #

    Hubris, indeed—Up against a wall! (a rewrite since the first didn’t post)
    E. you must have been reading Craig Paul Roberts who so eloquently in his latest post has described the US love affair with hubris throughout our history, but now we are back to a new cold war and that, my friends will put a real damper on the global neoliberal and neoconservative hegemony we have militarily and financially.
    Since the leaks of the Stuxnet or Flame virus came out re: our sabotaging Iran’s nuclear and oil functions, it came out in the forefront that Russia, China and Saudi Arabia want the internet to go from US control to under the auspices of the UN. There have been discussions since the winter, but now it’s an open debate and we are scrambling to try to stop that.
    Joe Scarborough of “the Americans are war weary” was suddenly yelling that Obama needs to get into the Syria game, now that Russia is in, so let’s start up the music for the new Cold War–just like the old one using the middle east as a proxy while thirsting for dwindling resources. Welcome to the new dark ages, as I predicted in the late 1970’s watching the US and Russia arming our proxies.
    He (Joe) continued to say what I’ve always said about neoliberalism. That we’re making the world safe for McDonald’s, If we had handled the middle east right they’d all be eating McDonald’s bacon cheeseburgers. Forget about the fact that Islamic people don’t eat pig—oh that. Maybe when we’re finished they’ll all convert to Christianity.
    Paul Craig Roberts finishes his post as follows:
    [Alas, hubris returned to America with the neoconservative ascendency. Americans have become “the indispensable people.” Like the Jacobins of the French Revolution who intended to impose “liberty, equality, fraternity” upon all of Europe, Washington asserts the superiority of the American way and the right to impose it on the rest of the world. Hubris is in full flower despite its defeats. The “three week” Iraq war lasted eight years, and after 11 years the Taliban control more of Afghanistan than the “world’s only superpower.”
    Sooner or later American hubris is going to run up against Russia and China, neither of which will give way. Either the US, like Napoleon and Hitler, will have its Russian (or Chinese) moment, or the world will go up in thermonuclear smoke.
    The only solution for humanity is to immediately impeach and imprison warmongers when first sighted before their hubris leads us yet again into the death and destruction of war.]

  284. Eleuthero June 13, 2012 at 12:10 pm #

    Ozone said:
    Quit yer belly-achin’! He’ll be by with some patent nostrums so soothe our fevered brows and return us to the land of Morpheus. Won’t that be nice?
    JHK sez: “It’s All Good!” (tm CFN)
    *************************************************************
    Since, virtually by INSPECTION of this blog’s weekly flow of posts, the guy has no life and hardly ever gets out from behind his computer screen, how would he know that everything is hunky-dory in the real world?
    Joe Stiglitz, a few days ago, said that the United States now has the POOREST SOCIAL MOBILITY and the GREATEST CLASS STRATIFICATION of any country in the entire industrialized world. Stiglitz is an economic Nobel Laureate who actually deserved the award.
    Stiglitz came out with a battery of stats which showed that in the current incarnation of the USA, there is no “land of opportunity”. It’s now a myth. If you’re born into the upper-middle or upper classes, you can be a total screw-up and you still won’t lose your economic standing. If you are in the lower to middle classes, you could be a straight-A student but you’re not going to move into the upper-middle or upper classes.
    Effectively the USA has already become very close to a Banana Republic. Your station at birth and the connections (or lack thereof) that they imply guarantee continuity of status … whether already low or already high or already in-between.
    Asoka’s “statistics” have, for years, been the very quintessence of cherrypicking and his omnipresence on this blog only makes his irritating, high-handed, pseudo-spirituality unavoidable. Asoka has become CFN’s “800-pound gorilla in the living room” … you have to scroll around so much of his stuff and the replies thereto that attempts to follow the threads of others get “drowned” in his stuff.
    Monday, when I scrolled down past the early posters, the entire board was inundated with Asoka and those dumb enough to reinforce this dude. It’s a major reason why, even with Mika’s absence, the board is still hardly worth visiting.
    E.

  285. Eleuthero June 13, 2012 at 12:19 pm #

    Vlad said:
    Who won, Whites or Indians? And George Washington was White – our hero. Blacks don’t root for White players btw, nor do Black kids ever wear the number or name of a White Player. And whose more racist again?
    **************************************************************
    Vlad, you’ve got to stop telling prima facie truths or you will be found out. 🙂 Your observation is as obvious as a fart in church but needs to be pointed out to the Rainbow Coalition herein. I would add to your point that it is very common for White guys to wear the jersey of a Black player. Very common.
    Who’s more racist? That’s where the Rainbow Coalition will, in hackneyed fashion, brand Whites as racist while others are just exhibiting “tribal fraternity and solidarity”. I still recall the public lovefest between BeantownBill and Mika with great amusement since it is also as obvious as a fart in church that Beantown would vehemently condemn any NON-JEW who’d threatened to physically beat another CFN member.
    Beantown’s consummate rationality mysteriously [sic] breaks down when the malfeasance of a member of his tribe is involved.
    E.

  286. Eleuthero June 13, 2012 at 12:26 pm #

    P2C said:
    CFN is now into its second week of excessively high asoka.infestation. I wonder why he does it.
    **************************************************************
    Because he doesn’t have a healthy, normal existence with major hobbies, a coterie of friends, or significant distractions.
    I’ve lost count of the number of days where this guy’s first and last posts will be 8, 10, or even 12 hours apart with no significant breaks during his “vigil”. It’s simply quite impossible for him to have a normal existence when he’s here most the of day, and on most days.
    E.

  287. Eleuthero June 13, 2012 at 12:37 pm #

    Hi, BT. I’m sure you remember Dick Cheney’s “The American way of life is not negotiable” bloviation. At this point, the idea that we’re a playa in every country’s game from other superpowers to the tiniest shitholes on earth gives one a similar feeling as having to laugh at a bad joke that’s 30 years out of date. It’s a nervous laugh done under compulsion.
    In the lifetime of every empire, there is a time when its puffery is backed by real power. In the waning days of empires, they still have enough weapons to create a stink but the rest of the world holds meetings to form allliances which work AROUND the failing hegemon and issues press releases which simply and quietly announce the intention to go against the hegemon’s most vehement assertions.
    The rest of the world is simply humoring us.
    E.

  288. Christi June 13, 2012 at 12:47 pm #

    I was just nominated for an award. I don’t usually participate in that sort of thing but I realised that it was actually a vehicle to give kudos to blogs that were very important to me so I nominated your blog for “The Illuminating Blogger” award. If you want to participate you can, if you don’t feel free not to. I just wanted you to know that you have made a difference out here in the worldly ether and that someone waits for your posts with anticipation and truly appreciates your efforts to enlighten us . Here’s the link if you want to check it out but its not really about the award (which I suspect is to increase blog traffic to the awarders site to be honest…) its about being able to give you some kudos for your efforts
    (http://foodstoriesblog.com/illuminating-blogger-award/).

  289. Dr_Snooz June 13, 2012 at 1:08 pm #

    You have periodic debt crises where debtors hit the wall en masse. The banks swoop down and take all their stuff via foreclosures, repos, garnishments, reduced social spending by the government, etc. There is a massive reset of the populace down the wealth scale and a corollary reset of the banks up the wealth scale. Eventually, the banks end up owning everything, and there is no blood left in the corpse. A number of things can happen in this end game. The population can be reduced to serfdom/slavery and held there by police state brutality. Over time, the poor lose all recollection of a better life, become defeated and hopeless and come to see constant predation by the wealthy as the way things are, always have been and ever shall be. Their bright hope for the future becomes a pallet and tarp shanty for their children to live in, as opposed to the cardboard and mud one they inhabit themselves. There can also be a bloody revolution where the wealthy are slaughtered by an underclass that has become bestial and bloodthirsty from constant, grinding impoverishment that they see, rightly, as having been imposed upon them by the overwhelming avarice of the wealthy. The best scenario would be a return to a rational money system where the government prints debt-free money and spends it into the economy for the benefit of all. Even if this happens, however, the banks keep working until the parasitic debt-based model is once again foisted upon the populace against their will. Historically, all of the above happen, respectively.
    Right now, Europe is being looted by the bankers. There is no real debt there to worry about and there are ways to write off the debt where no one is forced to sell their children to survive. If we were to discuss such options, however, the ability of the banks to extract things of value in exchange for paper money that they print for free would be compromised. This will never be allowed. Any politician who discusses it will die mysteriously in some kind of crash.

  290. Buck Stud June 13, 2012 at 1:10 pm #

    lol Prog,
    My comment was an attempt to fan the flames if you will…to draw Vlad’s ire since he is always going on and on about racial IQ differences. He didn’t bite but then again he’s probably busy licking his wounds in the aftermath of the thrashing he received from Dale and Turkle.
    Truth be told, I take very little of what I write here seriously and I hope nobody else does either (Which I am sure they don’t 🙂

  291. Dr_Snooz June 13, 2012 at 1:11 pm #

    And the comment to which I was responding would be:
    “Most (of us) know the sad state of our state. However, not a single place have I seen the WHY of how we got here.
    “so I’ll supply the why:
    “A debt based monetary system (which is what we got) is designed/doomed to fail. Works great as long as the lice have the means to borrow money as that is the only way new money gets into the system (excluding QE). Even the government is forced to borrow it’s own money!!! It’s a ponzi scheme. New money carries the seeds of our destruction as more debt is created with every dollar borrowed into existence.
    “There is no way out. The end is assured. Destruction of debt money as a monetary system.
    “How that gets done is still a mystery… probably won’t be good.”

  292. scott June 13, 2012 at 1:19 pm #

    Thank’s for the thoughtful reply Laura, after weeks of deliberation I finally called the police about a month and a half ago and within a week they had a warrant and went in and looked around. Apparantly they didn’t find anything but they are still all over this place because there has been a rash of burglarys. Three of them have burglary, aggravated assault and armed robbery records.
    I suspect they are cutting up lithium batteries down there and cooking at the place where they work. They work at a shady looking shop downtown that apparantly sells thousands of dollars per week in large wheels to professional basketball players called Dubz.

  293. scott June 13, 2012 at 1:23 pm #

    I saw the shop they work at when one of them replaced the brakes on my car for $50. There is a large shop in the back with a paint booth and 3-4 old cars with crappy paint jobs.

  294. scott June 13, 2012 at 1:30 pm #

    Here is a youtube video of the shop but I didn’t see any “cool” cars when getting my brakes fixed.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7rYJ0-ZuLw

  295. Vlad Krandz June 13, 2012 at 1:30 pm #

    That’s an old rumour but I don’t believe it’s ever been confirmed. But it’s possible – remember that Catholics are not against Jews as an ethne but only as a religion. Torquemada the great prosecutor of the Inquisition was part Jewish. When the the King and Queen were given a massive bribe by the Jews and about to relent in their expulsion order, Torquemada rushed in and threw his crucifix down on the pile of gold crying, There, you have betrayed Christ again. The King and Queen relented and expelled the Jews from Spain. They went to the Netherlands and proceeded to ruin them and from there to England, where they ruined them.
    In any case, Colombus wasn’t very nice to the Indians in general. Nor was the Spanish Empire as a whole. So, the Jews aren’t to blame for the treatment of the Indians down there. Later on when they gained access to the American Colonies via England, they got control of much of the slave trade.
    There is alot of blame to go around to be sure. I don’t see much Christianity in the conquest of the New World. Now we can’t forgive ourselves while the Jews have never blamed themselves for anything.

  296. BeingThere June 13, 2012 at 1:32 pm #

    That’s what we call the calculus of change.
    Any country that destroys it’s industrial base and refuses to turn the ship when they see it’s a disaster is in self-destructo mode.
    Note to leadership: Words are not magic!

  297. scott June 13, 2012 at 1:54 pm #

    I think TPTB in the U.S. believe that the U.S. is embarking on a new industrial era with all of the abundant NatGas that is being produced here. The idea is that NG costs are equivalent to $10-12 a barrel crude oil and the costs are much higher in China.
    They believe that the U.S. can simply return to it’s industrial base and that whatever happens in China or Europe doesn’t matter. These are usually the same types that are calling for a crash in China.
    I doubt that NG is nearly abundant as is widely advertised. The oil and gas business isn’t really having any problems getting financing even with record low prices. I think the low prices are at least partly attributable to NG being storable and the lower the price the lower the production costs with royalties, mineral rights, etc.

  298. asoka. June 13, 2012 at 2:11 pm #

    Truth be told, I take very little of what I write here seriously and I hope nobody else does either (Which I am sure they don’t 🙂
    ================
    Ditto, here.
    I don’t post very much and when I do it is all in fun, not to be taken seriously. 🙂

  299. ak June 13, 2012 at 2:30 pm #

    MM, the cartoon you mentioned can be seen here, for example.

  300. ak June 13, 2012 at 2:31 pm #

    MM, the cartoon you mentioned can be seen here, for example.

  301. Vlad Kramps June 13, 2012 at 2:40 pm #

    Ditto, here.
    I don’t post very much ………….Assoka
    ##########
    WTF??? REALLY???

  302. Rhino June 13, 2012 at 2:49 pm #

    I think that the USA will be outrun by events. And I think that these events will expose the USA’s financial and economic hollowness.
    There’s apparently a major tussle developing over the South China Sea between the locals in that neck of the woods especially China and Vietnam. There’s apparently many trillions of cubic feet of natural gas buried under them thar waters and something north of a hundred billion barrels of oil according to one article I read.
    Also of major importance is the shipping through the South China Sea and through several local choke points which see major movements of energy supplies for Japan and Korea to name just two players that have a major interest in those seas.
    So of what importance will an industrially enfeebled (and therefore as a consequence a militarily and financially enfeebled) USA be in that area? Some countries like Vietnam may want the USA by their side as a counter to China’s massive weight. But I think that as things unfold in that area the weakness of the USA will be ever more evident.
    Of what importance will the USA be in the civil war unfolding in Syria? I don’t see that the US is in a position to move the needle in Syria without futher debilitating itself both financially and militarily. When I read the different takes on that mess by a wide variety of pundits it’s tough to figure what the US has to gain through siding with either Assad or his enemies.
    My understanding is that Russia wants Assad Junior to stay in power for the sake of Syria carrying through on major arms purchases. No Assad means no payment of Russian invoices. I don’t know why China would give a shit one way or the other what gang of cut-throats is in power. They’ll do business with whatever devil wears the crown.

  303. anti soak June 13, 2012 at 3:44 pm #

    Yes, please do.
    Have you seen the ‘dreams of my real father’ photo comparisons, thought provoking.

  304. anti soak June 13, 2012 at 3:47 pm #

    Asoka you liken to a ‘termite’ infesting a sane discussion of ‘Peak Everything’. Good analogy.
    Years ago here he had a ‘Dont worry, things are good, Apple Corp has record profits’.
    Pretzel logic.

  305. Kyooshtik June 13, 2012 at 5:00 pm #

    They work at a shady looking shop downtown that apparantly sells thousands of dollars per week in large wheels to professional basketball players called Dubz.
    ==============
    Whew! What sentence structure!
    Which is called Dubz?:
    . the shady looking shop?
    . the large wheels?
    or
    . the pro basketball players?

  306. scott June 13, 2012 at 5:54 pm #

    Yes, my writing and sentence structure often results in poor communication.
    House of Dubz is the name of the shop. sorry

  307. scott June 13, 2012 at 5:56 pm #

    My writing is better on sites that have an edit button. Some sites give you the chance to edit as long as there has not been a reply.

  308. scott June 13, 2012 at 6:10 pm #

    Whew! What sentence structure!
    Which is called Dubz?:
    . the shady looking shop?
    . the large wheels?
    or
    . the pro basketball players?
    It could have been a good story except I left out many important details. I did notice the sentence structure and the Dubz confusion but was too lazy to fix it.
    Whenever I explain something to my son in that manner he just say’s, “cool story bro” and walks away.

  309. dale June 13, 2012 at 6:46 pm #

    Come on! you guys are going to have to pick up the crazy pace, or its going to be tough to pick a “goon from the moon” award winner next week.
    Vlad, I’m counting on you to make at least a hundred pointless comments on differences you’ve detected between ethnic groups, that no one else in their right mind has ever noted, or cares two cents about.
    Where’s WSP7, he’s got that special edge of malice I find so heart warming?
    Asoka, don’t loss faith, It should give you pause that you do have one thing in common with Vlad, you both take yourselves WAY to seriously.
    Anti-soak, I’m giving you a quota of 10 references to “things you’ve heard” (while holding a seashell to your ear perhaps) that common sense would quickly determine are completely impossible and are well…..just batshit crazy.
    Michigan Native, I think real optimism from you would be an utter mind fuck to everyone else here, please try.
    Scott, come on, what else can you find in your apartment building?

  310. dale June 13, 2012 at 6:49 pm #

    Keyrist, I never thought I’d have to see the day I’d have to cheerlead nuttiness at CFN.

  311. asoka. June 13, 2012 at 6:56 pm #

    dale, you are doing a good job bringing some levity to the deadly serious overshoot predictions, the economic collapse scenarios, and the apocalyptic doomer drivel of the anti-cargo cult crowd. The predictions just keep coming, as they have for the last seven years. Maybe next Tuesday at two.
    I no longer care if I win the award. I’m just having fun and enjoying ozone’s and Q.’s and E.’s and antisoak’s posts immensely.

  312. dale June 13, 2012 at 6:57 pm #

    OH…and asoka, your assignment is to drag your lazy ass down to a cantina in the nearest town, have a couple of beers, and get into a conversation with a local señorita. Report back.

  313. asoka. June 13, 2012 at 7:07 pm #

    Obama Appointed Elizabeth Warren
    If she were on the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee and given an opportunity to question Dimon, Warren, the woman behind the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, told HuffPost that she would keep it simple.
    “Do you get what is wrong? Do you get why people are mad?” she said she would ask Dimon. She would also challenge him on why it’s legitimate for him to hold a seat on the board of the New York Federal Reserve Bank: “Will you resign from the New York Fed?”
    The New York Fed allows private bankers to sit on its board, even while it crafts bank policy and puts together financial industry bailouts.
    “There’s a conflict of interest here. You serve two masters. You can’t draw this extraordinary salary from JPMorgan Chase and, at the same time, say, ‘Oh, I’m out here acting in the public interest.’ You can’t do both,” Warren said she’d tell Dimon.
    “He says he wants to take responsibility. Then show some responsibility. Show you get it. Putting Wall Street bankers on the Federal Reserve Board is like finding the guys who torched the entire town and putting them on the fire advisory board. It makes no sense,” she added.

  314. asoka. June 13, 2012 at 7:15 pm #

    No can do. Mrs. Asoka has priority and she is my senorita. She keeps me busy when I’m not fulfilling my contract to post on CFN.

  315. BeingThere June 13, 2012 at 7:45 pm #

    Scott
    The natural gas bonanza is being hyped for a lot of reasons and it works to keep that ole positive attitude going. What even more bizarre is how they say we’re going to have 10% growth with that and by 2030…..
    So far away how can you refute it?
    _______________
    The whole Syria thing is what leads to bigger confrontations with Russia and Iran.
    In the meantime.. [French nuclear giant Areva said on Tuesday it has discovered more than 20,000 tons of uranium in Jordan, which is trying to develop atomic energy to meet its growing needs…..
    ….A consortium formed by Areva and Japan’s Mitsubishi is competing with Russia’s Atomstroyexport to build Jordan first nuclear plant.]
    Another double standard at work….

  316. turkle June 13, 2012 at 7:51 pm #

    How come I didn’t make the list, you insensitive clod?!

  317. dale June 13, 2012 at 7:56 pm #

    No can do. Mrs. Asoka has priority and she is my senorita. She keeps me busy when I’m not fulfilling my contract to post on CFN.
    —————————-
    Well, then the two of you need to get down to that cantina and report back

  318. Vlad Krandz June 13, 2012 at 7:57 pm #

    Like all bullies and psychopaths, when called on your abuse you resort to “I was just kidding – can’t you take a joke”? Not buying it. You viciously mocked someone who had lost their job, a possible death sentence now.

  319. dale June 13, 2012 at 8:01 pm #

    Sorry turkle,
    I’m expecting at least one moralistic rant on how we simply must stop clocks around the world and live in a “balance with nature” that has never existed. Perhaps, you can circulate a petition to have T-Rex put on the endangered species act.
    What am I thinking, you’re the last guy around here who needs to have his imagination stimulated.

  320. asoka. June 13, 2012 at 8:03 pm #

    dale, I appreciate your interest, but I don’t drink. A cantina is not the best place for me.

  321. dale June 13, 2012 at 8:04 pm #

    Oh….one last thing….by a show of hands, how many people think God considers Vlad his co-pilot? ……………………………………….(chirp, chirp) (chirp, chirp) ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..That’s what I thought.

  322. dale June 13, 2012 at 8:12 pm #

    BTW Vlad, what’s with beginning your posts with phrases like “quite true, quite true” Who are you Peabody now? Where’s your little dog, what’s his name…..Sherman?
    When are you going to get over the fact Oxford didn’t appoint you professor of “White Studies” because your the only white racist who can read.

  323. ozone June 13, 2012 at 8:13 pm #

    Don’t matter how much happy-talk you try and slather onto it, it doesn’t make this burnt breast of beast any more palatable…
    “The €100 billion for Spain agreed on last weekend evaporated in two days. 18 Spanish banks were downgraded this week, and Spain’s 10 year bonds are at 6.69% as we speak, reflecting, among other things, that the Spanish government, re: – future – population, is on the hook for that €100 billion. 6.69% is close enough to the 7% threshold that it effectively means Spain has no access to the markets. In the same way, Italy’s 10-year 6.20% is a big red alarm flag, and Italy today paid 3.79% for €6.5 billion in 1-year debt, up from 2.34% last month, a 62% raise.” -Ilargi
    Cloacal finances’ outcome; sounds peachy keen!
    MORE details on the shit sammich filling. (But it doesn’t really matter ’cause of that Jubilee thing that’s coming, along with Cheesis and the Crapsure.) Happy Happy, Joy Joy! Hey Boys and Girls, It’s yer old pal, Stinky Wizzelteeth!
    http://theautomaticearth.com/Finance/autoimmune-finance-the-system-attacks-itself.html
    Let’s not forget to get Happy while we’re at it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ0BQUufUpE&feature=related

  324. Vlad Kramps June 13, 2012 at 8:20 pm #

    Maybe you ought to start drinking. You know what they say. A man who doesn’t drink has nothing to say worth hearing. I man that has too much to say says a lot about nothing. Quite true, quite true. So which one are you? My guess is that you’re just a smidgen of both.

  325. Vlad Krandz June 13, 2012 at 8:26 pm #

    That makes you a jape and a clown.

  326. Vlad Kramps June 13, 2012 at 8:28 pm #

    Just for you bitches who didn’t know, this last week, June 10th, was Judy Garland’s 90th birthday. Her “Over the Rainbow” would be a good summary of all the b.s. that our dear Assoka sprouts. Like little stalks rising up out of cow shit.
    Ironically, CFN’s “Tripp” has a good use of the aforementioned in his blog, “Small Batch”. Some of the long missing CFN’ers can be found posting there, including LB, Lewis, and…I think but am not sure, Wage.

  327. Vlad Krandz June 13, 2012 at 8:31 pm #

    If the birds, crickets, and beast of the field are my only allies, I’ll take them. When Rama built his bridge to Lanka, all the animals chipped in – even the small ones. All of Nature supports the righteous man. Like Ravana, you are a “whirlpool in the river of life”. You make yourself the center instead of letting God be. Damn you.

  328. scott June 13, 2012 at 8:33 pm #

    Anti-soak, I’m giving you a quota of 10 references to “things you’ve heard” (while holding a seashell to your ear perhaps) that common sense would quickly determine are completely impossible and are well…..just batshit crazy. -dale
    I dated a girl once who had a conch shell tattoed on the inside of her upper thigh–if you put your ear up to it you could smell the ocean.

  329. Vlad Krandz June 13, 2012 at 8:36 pm #

    Who cares about that fag shit? But thanks for the whereabouts of Lucan and Wage. How dare they hide from me when I was walking in the Garden? If they were naked and unafraid it would be one thing. But their guilt is so evident that their fig leafs (not leaves in this case, persons is a valid word with connotations that people cannot cover) cannot cover their nakedness.

  330. Vlad Krandz June 13, 2012 at 8:39 pm #

    The Russian support of Syria is analogous to our’s of South Vietnam. Our role is analogous to Russia’s last time or China’s in the Korean conflict.

  331. Vlad Kramps June 13, 2012 at 8:45 pm #

    You been drinkin again, haven’t ya, dad? Please, for chrisakes, put down the Bourbon bottle. You told Mammaw you’d quit. She’s getting tired of you living in her basement these past eleven years. I guess she wouldn’t mind so much if you’d be paying rent but you’re unemployment ran out a long time ago. You’re disability claims have been repeatedly denied. Please dad, Burger King is hiring. They’ll give you your old job back. You can do it Dad. Just say “Would you like to supersize that?” a couple of times. Just think dad, you and me, working at the local “Home of the Whopper”. I’m already a cinch for getting a job as a cashier. Just say the word and I’ll put in a good word for you. I really think they want you back.

  332. Vlad Kramps June 13, 2012 at 8:53 pm #

    *****
    If they were naked and unafraid it would be one thing. But their guilt is so evident that their fig leafs (not leaves in this case, persons is a valid word with connotations that people cannot cover) cannot cover their nakedness.*****
    Dad
    Wow! You sound an awful lot like that couch from Penn State who is on trial for rape on boys. For shame! You communist bastard! Get a job, dammit! Stop mooching off Mammaw!

  333. Vlad Kramps June 13, 2012 at 8:58 pm #

    He’s both! But a clown appears to be glad when really he’s sad, when life’s gone and hurt him so bad. But you know their are sad things known to men, but not too much more than…. the tears of a clown, when theres no one around.

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  335. scott June 13, 2012 at 8:59 pm #

    Ironically, CFN’s “Tripp” has a good use of the aforementioned in his blog, “Small Batch”. Some of the long missing CFN’ers can be found posting there, including LB, Lewis, and…I think but am not sure, Wage.
    I’ve been here off and on since I think 2003 and there have been alot of good writers gone from here in that time. Originally, I came here because I was interested in PO but eventually stayed lurking here because all of the great writers that posted comments to Jim’s weekly essays. Every great exodus of posters has occurred following an incessant deluge of bullshit posts by some new poster.

  336. Vlad Krandz June 13, 2012 at 9:01 pm #

    You’re a hater Zone, just like the Russian Communists who burned churches and shot Priests and Monks in the head. Admit it. Get it off your chest. And then tell us why. Was it the scratchy shirt your parents make you wear every Sunday. Oh Dude, I know it, I feel your pain.

  337. Vlad Krandz June 13, 2012 at 9:04 pm #

    And you want to drink those tears, don’t you you gay demon?

  338. Mrs. Soake June 13, 2012 at 9:06 pm #

    Shithead!! What a liar! I moved out six weeks ago.
    I should have left years ago…
    Mrs. Soake

  339. Vlad Krandz June 13, 2012 at 9:07 pm #

    And you wont give your old dad a lousy free burger that you would give to a stray dog. Son, I want to kill you.

  340. Vlad Krandz June 13, 2012 at 9:16 pm #

    What did the beast do to you, dear?

  341. Kyooshtik June 13, 2012 at 9:18 pm #

    You sound an awful lot like that couch from Penn State
    ===========
    Penn State: home of the world’s only talking furniture.

  342. ozone June 13, 2012 at 9:21 pm #

    Well, in secret, he has been trying to bring in a few extry buckaroos with some acting work.
    Here is some evidence.
    You’ll recognize little laddie lederhosen playing the breadwinner coming home after a long day at the office.
    I think he hits just the right note of distress upon finding his opera lp’s have been besmirched with bubble gum.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wW6rENTfaU&feature=related
    (After the shoot he was allowed to bring home those lederhosen worn by Cousin Sven. I’m sure you’ve noticed them being proudly worn about “das hause” these days. Don’t let him fool you though, the brownshirt uniform went to the pawnshop, not the cleaners.)

  343. anti soak June 13, 2012 at 9:22 pm #

    In TLE, JHK says nowhere in USA are shoes made in large quantity. [Like 300 million pair a year].
    I see on page 1 of LA Times Business section the powers that be are trying to remove Smoot Hawly.
    Those dang tariffs on shoes, if they do will any shoes be made in USA?

  344. anti soak June 13, 2012 at 9:57 pm #

    Will Adelson give Mitt 100 Million?
    Remember all of Mitts FA are dual citizens.
    Adelson, Gingrich, and the Selling of America by Justin Raimondo …
    original.antiwar.com
    Jan 24, 2012 – Adelson is a major financial backer of Israel’s ultra-nationalist Likud party,

  345. anti soak June 13, 2012 at 10:08 pm #

    Even without a ‘spectacular dieoff’ 70 million to 120 million die off each year.

  346. Vlad Krandz June 14, 2012 at 1:24 am #

    Alan Keyes: a great Black Man with a spirit like unto the Fathers.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGwIyF2Imbk

  347. Widespreadpanic7 June 14, 2012 at 1:44 am #

    Ya Rhino, wouldn’t that be something if we got involved in that South China sea dispute between China and Vietnam … and we sided with Vietnam? What a turn of events! I believe a US Naval vessel made a port of call visit to Vietnam not long ago, and Secretary Panetta was there just recently. It starting to make sense.
    WSP7

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  349. BeingThere June 14, 2012 at 7:33 am #

    Scott
    Just so you know, LB is now BEINGTHERE in my present incarnation.
    In terms of the Nat gas goes, I have said numerous times on this blog and to JHK that if the media would allow counter opinions on TV and in the NYTimes, we would have a reasonable debate on what we really have in terms of resources to power this enterprise, but we are only getting the fantasy of keeping this thing going, if only we will allow for non-stop drilling, the destruction of our environment and no regulations!
    I’m looking forward to reading JHK’s new book, which will be out soon.

  350. Senneth June 14, 2012 at 7:37 am #

    Well said, E. I grow tired of scrolling past reams of Asoka’s banal banter. Blech. I thought he was going to build some adobe hut somewhere and keep busy. If so, why is he posting here as if he has nothing else to do?

  351. Senneth June 14, 2012 at 8:02 am #

    BeanTownBill,
    I’m also wondering if you ever addressed Prog’s comments about the “to the death.”
    I thought Mica/Met made some horrible threats of violence and wondered why you condoned them. You seem like such a nice guy. I love the way you defend women and cats. But I was disappointed that you actually supported Met’s violent spew.
    Just curious.

  352. scott June 14, 2012 at 9:40 am #

    “In terms of the Nat gas goes, I have said numerous times on this blog and to JHK that if the media would allow counter opinions on TV and in the NYTimes, we would have a reasonable debate on what we really have in terms of resources to power this enterprise, but we are only getting the fantasy of keeping this thing going, if only we will allow for non-stop drilling, the destruction of our environment and no regulations!”-beingthere
    There will never be a reasonable debate on what we really have in terms of resources or ever an official announcement of any peak in resources.
    If there was an acceptance of any critical resource having peaked then that would be an admission that our money is no longer any good because our money is debt money. The only thing that makes a strictly fiat currency “money” is confidence.
    That confidence is derived from an expectation of extrapolating the past 150 years of persistent economic growth into the future. The past 150 years of persistent economic growth is an anomoly in contrast to the rest of human civilization.
    If we are forced to accept that the past 150 years of persistent economic growth was merely a, “bubble” that was created by an abundance of oil, coal and NG and that bubble is now deflating, then our confidence in extrapolating debt indefinitely into the future would be shredded.
    BTW, the status quo does not believe crude oil, coal and NG has much to do with the past 150 years of persistent economic growth. Authorities will say the past 150 years of persistent economic growth is entirely attributable to our greater understanding of economics.

  353. dale June 14, 2012 at 9:46 am #

    I dated a girl once who had a conch shell tattoed on the inside of her upper thigh–if you put your ear up to it you could smell the ocean.
    ———————————
    Was that the ocean or just the scrimp boats you were smelling.

  354. xhalor June 14, 2012 at 9:50 am #

    My understanding of Vietnam is that once it was determined that the technology of that time could not recover oil cheaply enough, the “conflict” become the proving ground for modern era weapons systems. As for Syria, I believe that because the only reason for the US to become involved is humanitarian, we’re going to pass on it because it is taking all available resources to hold the important staging areas of Iraq and Afghanistan. Make no mistake, we are at war with Iran RIGHT NOW.
    And yes, I loathe and despise your racist bullshit, but, god dammit, you don’t let people change your point of view for trivial reasons. Last night I saw an episode of Morgan Freeman’s “Through the Wormhole” where the topic was the notion of a superior race of humans. Most of it was dedicated to an understanding of this notion at the genetic level. I know it’s just a TV show, but it’s a good starting point for people that want a deeper understanding of the genetic differences between the races.
    I am in Indiana right now dealing with some pretty messy family shit, so my heart isn’t really in it this week. You would still be well advised to put your broadsword to the sharpening wheel. I’m coming for you Vlad. Ya know I am.

  355. dale June 14, 2012 at 9:51 am #

    Ya Rhino, wouldn’t that be something if we got involved in that South China sea dispute between China and Vietnam … and we sided with Vietnam? What a turn of events!
    ————————–
    Yup….makes me want to strap on the ‘ol body armor, and lock and load. Still got my blood type tattooed to my leg, gettin’ a little blurry now though. I can’t even remember what Napalm smells like in the morning anymore. When’s the last time you had a hard on.

  356. scott June 14, 2012 at 9:51 am #

    Was that the ocean or just the scrimp boats you were smelling.
    More like the shithouse door on a tuna fish boat.

  357. xhalor June 14, 2012 at 10:14 am #

    Mmmmmm…..tuna. Gaffing hook at the ready.

  358. dale June 14, 2012 at 10:19 am #

    Was that the ocean or just the scrimp boats you were smelling.
    More like the shithouse door on a tuna fish boat.
    ———————-
    Yikes! that could be kinda deflating.

  359. xhalor June 14, 2012 at 10:27 am #

    Reminds me of the Elvis Costello song “Two Little Hitlers” where the implied object of affection was an inflatible doll:
    I thought I’d let you down, dear
    But you were just deflating

  360. dale June 14, 2012 at 10:27 am #

    dale, I appreciate your interest, but I don’t drink. A cantina is not the best place for me.
    ————————————-
    Well, how about you just report back on something we need to know about Ecuador that you and the misses enjoy?

  361. dale June 14, 2012 at 10:30 am #

    reminded me of that old Dan Hicks song:
    “How can I miss you when you won’t go away, you keep staying day after day.”
    Vald, you listening?

  362. xhalor June 14, 2012 at 10:39 am #

    “Well, how about you just report back on something we need to know about Ecuador that you and the misses enjoy?”
    Or maybe something that you and the missus DON’T enjoy that is relevant to this blog. I’m thinking the current state of the Conoco-Phillips disaster.

  363. BeingThere June 14, 2012 at 11:20 am #

    The real price of not taxing.
    We have a global system that is essentially knocking the idea of sovereignty out for good. I have brought up on numerous occasions that the neoliberal globalization process takes many steps.
    First to hire low-wage third worlders to help lower expectations for wages.
    Then you start smashing the unions, then you destroy your manufacturing base—you know the crux of your economy.
    You tell the folks that isn’t it wonderful-you just fired the bottom third of your middle class so you can get cheap goods.
    Of course what goes with that again is lower incomes slowly, ever so slowly, the people hardly notice, yet you too can use your house as a cash machine to keep up with the appearance of maintaining your middle class status.
    OK the rich keep getting their taxes slashed for the illusion of economic growth, that unfortunately goes abroad.
    Now we’re going to the final stage, folks. Because of “globalism” Obama has bought into the Thomas (& Milton) Friedman paradigm. Thom Hartmann says that Obama is working out deals for foreign nationals to come here to set-up shop and hire Americans. The way the laws work here is that American companies must comply with our laws, but not foreign entities. That mean none of the regulations that we adhere to apply and they can trash our environment at will.
    Next stop Matt Taibbi! Today on his blog on the Rolling Stone mag. site he discusses those Sovereign wealth funds that bought parking meter rights for 75 years. Matt will describe the new Bloomberg deal for nearly 90,000 parking meters on a the quicky deal that brings in fast money to offset the cities fiscal problems. It won’t last long and the rich folks in Dubai want a guarenteed money stream.
    Now wouldn’t it be better to tax the rich and keep your infrastructure intact? I ask you.

  364. asoka. June 14, 2012 at 11:21 am #

    You guys are hypocrites … Posting about scrimp boats, tuna boats, gadding hooks, and hard ons.
    Then complaining that Asoka’s posts are not “relevant to the blog”
    Blacks are always unfairly held to a higher standard.

  365. Kyooshtik June 14, 2012 at 11:49 am #

    the scrimp boats
    the misses
    =============
    Whew!
    I couldn’t think up shit like this if I tried.

  366. CaptSpaulding June 14, 2012 at 11:55 am #

    Hi Senneth, I agree with your sentiments. I got tired of Asoka deliberately misunderstanding me. But after awhile I just stopped reading peoples posts because avoiding Asoka’s posts are tantamount to picking your way through a yard full of dogshit. I stop by about once a week now, and that’s enough. It’s too bad, because I have gotten useful information here many times, but its too much trouble picking the fly shit out of the pepper.

  367. Kyooshtik June 14, 2012 at 12:07 pm #

    Scrimp boat definition?
    A boat for which one must scrimp and save.

  368. Kyooshtik June 14, 2012 at 12:13 pm #

    Giant scrimp
    Butterfly scrimp
    Fried scrimp
    Scrimp salad
    Scrimp with hot sauce on a bed of ice
    Oh, how I love scrimp…almost as much as I love the misses.

  369. Vlad Krandz June 14, 2012 at 12:45 pm #

    Don’t you ever get tired of that high yellow? They’ve make him out to be some kind of God. You aren’t going to hear the truth from the likes of him. Like Bill Crosby, he seems to be reasonable and fair – but he’ll play the race card in a heartbeat if opposed.
    Quite right on Syria – just a way to attack Iran. We’ll be arming the Al Quaedas again just like in Egypt and Libya. These people are savages – all of them. Why discriminate – just leave them all alone.

  370. Vlad Krandz June 14, 2012 at 12:52 pm #

    So you are saying keep the third worlders out right? Impose tariffs to protect our industries. (Oh No! “Protectionism”! The stupidity of human beings is shown by this inane term) I mean are you beging to repent of Liberalism? And realize that the Nation State is thee great Guarantor of Human Freedom – at least in the modern West? As you know, modern Liberalism thinks all patriotism and nationalism as Fascism. You people have been programmed to the max. Glad you starting to wake up.
    I asked Dale to give more information about the plot to sell part of Idaho to China. He ignored me. He is in favor of anything that will weaken America since as a Liberal, to him all Nations are Fascistic, especially America.

  371. Vlad Krandz June 14, 2012 at 12:59 pm #

    You need to read the Scrimptures.

  372. Vlad Krandz June 14, 2012 at 1:02 pm #

    We’re all curious Senn. We await with bated breath.

  373. Rhino June 14, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

    Steamed scrimp dumplings…

  374. welles June 14, 2012 at 1:12 pm #

    Let you heart expand Zone. Don’t be a grinch. You hate Welles because he’s a human being who has escaped the wretchedness you’re stuck in. If YOU escaped, you wouldn’t give a shit about the folks back home. But he’s not like that, not like you.
    yeah I’ve never understood the ‘don’t give a shit’ attitude, it’s still neighborly to help out others if you can, not just disappear cuz you struck it rich and everyone else can go to Hades.
    That’d be a typical american attitude, pervades that society.
    peace peaceniks

  375. The Mook June 14, 2012 at 1:19 pm #

    Who is Bill Crosby? David’s square brother.

  376. Rhino June 14, 2012 at 1:35 pm #

    Now wouldn’t it be better to tax the rich and keep your infrastructure intact? I ask you. – BT
    OK I’ll tell you… IMO the game is about up. But you should tax the crap out of the rich for no reason other than pure spite and maybe as a small measure of recompense for the damage they’ve caused.
    Once in a while I see faces on the TV like Paul Ryan who unblinkingly tells me in his self assured and clear eyed manner that you can’t tax “job creators”.
    And I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. I can’t believe that he really thinks that the current crop of kleptos and offshorers that man the upper echelons (and lower echelons) of the business world are really “job creators”. At least in any meaningful sense or the word at least in the US. Maybe they are in Chinese crapholes where they work people half to death for the princely sum of maybe a buck an hour.
    So maybe Paul Ryan really doesn’t believe this tripe about “job creators”. So is his agenda then to economically spavine America? Because, to anyone who’s been around for a while, that’s what happening. Places like Detroit and Buffalo are prominent and obvious examples of the economic necrosis that’s eating America and its people.
    Or maybe Paul Ryan and his ilk really, truly believe in the course that America is on with its shrinking industrial base and shrinking middle class and inceasingly impoverished, messed up and marginalized Black population. And what to do with an increasing Hispanic population, both legal and illegal, that doesn’t seem to be faring much better than Black folk and whose prospects also vanished with the jobs that got offshored? Sad commentary on the state of American leadership.

  377. Vlad Krandz June 14, 2012 at 2:37 pm #

    One world, grouch? Ruled by One too? So much for democracy.

  378. Vlad Krandz June 14, 2012 at 2:39 pm #

    Oh sorry: Cos not Cros

  379. Vlad Kramps June 14, 2012 at 3:00 pm #

    Poor Q! Your getting quit the workout from this weeks’ posting’s. Your grammatcarial corrections our not lost on me, god’s nose. Thanks for all you due.
    Seriously though maybe you should think about approuching Jim to be a sort of grammar tech guy/editor – you know – the trolls (chinese guy @@@**?**8 bullshit! ) Jeez, we need some kind of control hear, ya know?

  380. scott June 14, 2012 at 3:01 pm #

    Charles Hugh Smith’s latest was talking about not taxing the rich but making a distinction between the parsites that skim off the system and those who add real value to the system. He says Mit Romney and the like should be taxed at 99%.
    “This distinction between legitimate wealth derived from value creation (think Steve Jobs/computer industry) and parasitic wealth skimmed from the productive (think Mitt Romney/investment banker) is the heart of Correspondent James B.’s insightful inquiry into the question: can the parasitic Elite be said to pay taxes at all, given that their income is itself a tax on legitimate wealth creation?”
    http://www.oftwominds.com/blogjune12/parasitic-elite-taxes6-12.html

  381. Vlad Kramps June 14, 2012 at 3:04 pm #

    Nice to have Grouchy back! Swell old broad. Always has a good spin on the hear and know (that’s for you, Q).

  382. BeingThere June 14, 2012 at 3:30 pm #

    Vlad I’ve been saying the same thing about this globalism scourge for the 2.5 years I’ve been posting here.
    I’m still a progressive and I have no problem with people of different backgrounds–it’s the policy for what it’s doing that I am against.

  383. BeantownBill June 14, 2012 at 3:42 pm #

    I never said I agreed with Mika’s comments about violence. As I remember, I said something to the effect that I understood why he felt like he did, and that I would support that (his feelings) to the death, as I have been the victim of anti-semitism in the past. Or at least, that’s what I meant to say – I woud fight to the death in behalf of anyone suffering from discrimination, particularly anti-semitism. I got a horrific response to my post from certain people, and when I tried to explain myself, things only got more vociferous, so I put the whole thing to bed. I’m only answering you because you asked so nicely.
    If you read the replies tomy post back then, you sawhow nasty they were.

  384. BeingThere June 14, 2012 at 4:06 pm #

    Paul Ryan is all about the privatization of the commons agenda.

  385. asoka. June 14, 2012 at 4:31 pm #

    These people are savages – all of them. Why discriminate – just leave them all alone.
    We should not “just leave them all alone” … we should go out of our way to talk to them, to be friends with them, to help them in any way we can.
    We should do this just after we unilaterally disarm our nation, so they know we have no intention to harm them.
    They are our brothers and sisters. We should extend love to them in any way we can. They are part of our family.
    All of the human family deserves our respect (non-human as well; don’t eat animals, love them).

  386. asoka. June 14, 2012 at 4:37 pm #

    ELECTORAL VOTE COUNT
    Obama extends lead over Romney:
    244 Obama
    191 Romney

  387. Vlad Krandz June 14, 2012 at 5:54 pm #

    People from “different backgrounds” are here because of globalism. They are here to replace us. Choose: life or death, them or us. The only way we can compete with them is by becoming coolies with 5 kids ourselves. And who will pay for that?
    Life is competition – to the death in the realm of nature. By lowering our borders and dissolving the Nation – we have reverted to a rude state on Nature beneath the dignity of Man.

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  390. dale June 14, 2012 at 7:32 pm #

    Haven’t you heard of scrimp, very small shrimp. I gotta keep educatin’ y’all.

  391. anti soak June 14, 2012 at 7:38 pm #

    ‘Your getting quit ‘
    You are getting quite

  392. dale June 14, 2012 at 7:40 pm #

    I asked Dale to give more information about the plot to sell part of Idaho to China. He ignored me.
    —————————————–
    Yeah….imagine my passing up the opportunity to comment on topics you are obsessing about in your paranoid little fantasy world. Dream on Klingon.

  393. scott June 14, 2012 at 8:02 pm #

    I get it, you be trippin’ on all the scrimps up in dis motha fucka’

  394. scott June 14, 2012 at 8:11 pm #

    Chinese dude ain’t no scrimp… just think what he/she has to do to post a comment here. Some basic code but still…

  395. Vlad Krandz June 14, 2012 at 8:12 pm #

    That’s so Gay. Nor is it true to your usual song that we are morally depraved. Now you’e saying we are morally superior and should be guiding people. No doubt you will talk differenly once Romney is in office.

  396. ozone June 14, 2012 at 8:16 pm #

    Charlie,
    Izzat the fabled breadcrumb trail?
    (Good idea, if so.)

  397. asoka. June 14, 2012 at 8:16 pm #

    My ancestors were brought to America on scrimp boats.

  398. Vlad Krandz June 14, 2012 at 8:19 pm #

    Read it and weep loser, traitor, psychopath, etc
    http://www.commentsonnationalamnesia.com/2011/06/01/project-60-china-buying-idaho/

  399. scott June 14, 2012 at 8:19 pm #

    knock it off with the bait scrimps…

  400. ozone June 14, 2012 at 8:20 pm #

    “Run, Fo’rayst, ruuuuuuun!

  401. asoka. June 14, 2012 at 8:21 pm #

    Nor is it true to your usual song that we are morally depraved
    Whites are no more morally-depraved than anyone else.
    But those particular whites who decided to drop atomic bombs on two cities in Japan and murder men, women, and children indiscriminately were morally-challenged.

  402. asoka. June 14, 2012 at 8:23 pm #

    Stop taking the scrimp bait, scrimp.

  403. scott June 14, 2012 at 8:26 pm #

    dude… thats the same webpage chinese dude links to… uh…

  404. scott June 14, 2012 at 8:28 pm #

    http://www.airjordancchaussure.com/
    google translate the first and third paragraphs.

  405. anti soak June 14, 2012 at 8:30 pm #

    The ‘race replacement’ agenda.

  406. asoka. June 14, 2012 at 8:37 pm #

    scott, anyone who is bilingual and fluent knows the Google translator is not accurate.

  407. scott June 14, 2012 at 8:52 pm #

    I’m neither bilingual or fluent but am capable of deciphering codes and can clearly see that the google translator isn’t perfect but you don’t have to be a secret squirrel to fill in the gaps.

  408. Just Say No June 14, 2012 at 8:53 pm #

    “shitting money”
    “vomiting bonds”
    Makes me glad I already ate dinner.

  409. San Jose Mom 51 June 14, 2012 at 8:57 pm #

    In the spirit of the new movie “Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Slayer.” I hearby charge Kyooshtik with the title:
    Kyooshtik: Syntax Superman!!! All hail to the God of Grammar–who has taught me a thing or two about spelling.
    And while I’m at it, I San Jose Mom, the Minivan Menace, declare the following:
    Eleuthero: The Duke of Discernment
    James H. Kunstler: The Dakini of Doom
    And..
    Vlad Krandz: The Slapper of Squaws
    Asoka: The Wikipedia Wanker
    And….
    Mitt Romney: Insomnia Slayer
    Barack Obama: Oracle of Obfuscation

  410. dale June 14, 2012 at 9:10 pm #

    Read it and weep.
    ————————–
    With any luck they’ll buy the piece you live on.

  411. asrzrzkwh June 14, 2012 at 9:19 pm #

    China’s top ten most beautiful waterfalls
    Hukou Waterfall: world’s first yellow waterfall waterfall
    Germany: Asia’s largest transnational waterfall ;
    Silver Falls fall training: the gentle waterfall ;
    Huangguoshu Falls: the largest waterfall

    Jingpohu Falls : China’s largest volcano waterfall

    Jiuzhaigou Waterfall: the cleanest of falls ;
    Lushan Waterfall: The most poetic Falls ;
    quicksand Falls: The most delicate waterfall ;

    Wild Goose Mountain Falls: The most misty waterfall ;
    Maling River Falls: the largest waterfalls

    ;

  412. charliefoxtrot June 14, 2012 at 9:30 pm #

    yeah, due to my short-term…uh…something something, i find it much easier to keep in mind than some key word or phrase…menu– ‘find on page’ (thnx again to prog) vastly reduces thumb-scroll fatigue

  413. charliefoxtrot June 14, 2012 at 9:40 pm #

    …i was told that that word (squaw) is a grave insult, in that it was basically the c-word (don t like to write it, either!) for natives until europeans arrived and understood the term to refer to the entire woman…just so you know, and grain of salt etc, but the girl who said it sure believed it…

  414. xhalor June 14, 2012 at 11:01 pm #

    “Then complaining that Asoka’s posts are not “relevant to the blog”
    It wasn’t a complaint. IF you really are in Ecuador, I really would like to read about how the environmental damage from the oil drilling is currently affecting life there.
    Nothing illustrates the concept of “hearing what you want to hear” more than reading something on a blog.

  415. xhalor June 14, 2012 at 11:06 pm #

    “Don’t you ever get tired of that high yellow?”
    This is your response? I have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about. Bizarre even for you.

  416. Vlad Kramps June 14, 2012 at 11:06 pm #

    Uh, oh waiter! I’ll have the scimp scampi, ala Assoka, please!

  417. iesaeff1686c June 14, 2012 at 11:20 pm #

    you are currently logged in to facebook. would you like to login to the network?,franklin marshall

  418. xhalor June 14, 2012 at 11:21 pm #

    OK. I see that I’m going to need a joint and a shot of Johnnie Walker before I jump into this mess. But first, a dedication to the High Yella Vlad.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWNhq0dDr5I

  419. asoka. June 14, 2012 at 11:40 pm #

    Uh, oh waiter! I’ll have the scimp scampi, ala Assoka, please!
    ===========
    That made me laugh! Thank you!
    I love how we are all such good friends on CFN and are so playful with one another.
    Thanks to dale for changing the heavy tone to a lighter banter.
    Personally I love the idea of leela, of dancing and laughing and enjoying each moment until the Black Swan / extinction event / apocalypse / [insert here your favorite doom scenario] arrives.
    The best revenge is living well.

  420. youmouyixia June 14, 2012 at 11:43 pm #

       British media reported on the 11th, the UK Environment Agency, said after the heavy rainfall in some areas drainage of London, East Sussex, West Sussex, Surrey and Kent Road overwhelmed, facing the flooded continuing "danger.
        UNEP said that a total of 35 flood warnings throughout England and Wales, some areas still face heavy rainfall.  wedding Gowns
        European weather forecasting agency said the next few days there will be more rain, the rain was heaviest in Wales and southwest England.
        UK Environment Agency warned people to remain vigilant, it is best to frequently check the website and social networking sites, learn about the latest situation.
        Previously, some areas in Wales have been flooding, many residents were forced to evacuate their homes, clean-up work is continuing.solar heater
     

  421. youmouyixia June 14, 2012 at 11:44 pm #

        British 6-year-old little girl, Molly, recently presided over the opening ceremony for her candy store, she has become Britain’s youngest entrepreneurs.  Beaded Dress
        Molly lived in Wales Ayutthaya Wells Pu, she loves shopping. Morley found no local candy store, so with her mother to discuss the creation of a candy store, which specialized in the United Kingdom, the United States, candy and ice cream. Morley will be asking the students to try to eat, and then decided to shop to sell what sugar, Molly’s mother said the girl is very dedicated to school Monday to Friday and Saturday will be one of the store sits all day Sunday is got up at 5:00 in the morning to the Birmingham stock. 
        Molly is very business-minded, every store has a thermometer, a drop of temperature, and ice cream will be discounted.
      solar heater system

  422. scott June 14, 2012 at 11:46 pm #

    I love how we are all such good friends on CFN and are so playful with one another.
    yeeahhh…me too. thats what I love about clusterfuck nation–the playful banter

  423. asoka. June 14, 2012 at 11:47 pm #

    FORMAT CORRECTION
    Uh, oh waiter! I’ll have the scimp scampi, ala Assoka, please!
    ===========
    That made me laugh! Thank you!
    I love how we are all such good friends on CFN and are so playful with one another.
    Thanks to dale for changing the heavy tone to a lighter banter.
    Personally I love the idea of leela, of dancing and laughing and enjoying each moment until the Black Swan / extinction event / apocalypse / [insert here your favorite doom scenario] arrives.
    The best revenge is living well.

  424. asoka. June 14, 2012 at 11:52 pm #

    Our host is playful with us each week, treating us to a metaphor-filled treat that often makes us laugh.
    JHK is in on the joke:
    Fellow lice: America was once a great body to live on, six-foot-three, mounted on a white steed, a sword on the hip, resolute and brave. Look at us now! See how we are!
    We are hilarious!
    When death comes, take its hands and dance with it into the unknown … resolute and brave!

  425. scott June 14, 2012 at 11:54 pm #

    The best revenge is living well.
    With whom are you vengeful in the past tense?

  426. Kyooshtik June 15, 2012 at 12:05 am #

    Uh, oh waiter! I’ll have the scimp scampi, ala Assoka, please!
    =========
    Another fuck up!!
    It’s scrimp, not scimp!

  427. Kyooshtik June 15, 2012 at 12:18 am #

    I brought this up many moons ago but…
    have you ever noticed that Texans pronounce shrimp as srimp.
    Does anyone have a theory why? I’m at a friggin loss.

  428. Kyooshtik June 15, 2012 at 12:20 am #

    Correction:
    as srimp?

  429. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 12:33 am #

    Q., I love the way you are playing along with us, pretending to care about grammar, spelling, and punctuation.
    I am tickled by your posts, especially when you incorporate errors into posts that are supposedly correcting errors!
    What a fine-tuned sense of humor you have! Just like JHK!

  430. Vlad Krandz June 15, 2012 at 12:40 am #

    This is the closest Dale can come to an apology that he either didn’t know or he pretended not to. I lean towards the latter – I think Dale prefers keeping things to himself if he can slander someone instead.
    Dale: I know you’re not capable of apology to anyone else. But perhaps you should apology to yourself – if you can.

  431. Vlad Krandz June 15, 2012 at 12:45 am #

    I sense that old B has no problem with the Demoratic Aspects of Globalism but only the Corporate or Republican. Millions stream over our borders? Divine Diversity – and new clients for bureacrats to serve (and rule) an Votes for Democrat rabble rousers.

  432. Vlad Krandz June 15, 2012 at 12:48 am #

    Do you practice laughing in front of the mirror? Or are you still at the stage of needing “aids” like old comedies like Laurel and Hardy or The Jeffersons?

  433. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 12:59 am #

    Excellent question, Vlad!
    I do practice in front of a mirror. I make faces and then start laughing out loud at how ridiculous I am. It is a form of yoga practice called hasya yoga and anyone can do it, with or without a mirror.
    “Yoga” means “union” (between the left and right brain, the masculine and the feminine, the mind and the body) and aims to create balance & harmony in all aspect of human life. Hasya Yoga shares the same goal.
    Laughter puts us intensely in the moment. The ability to fully live and experience the “now” is of utmost importance because it is the only moment where we can experience happiness.
    Yoga teaches that the mind and body mirror one another and that the breath is the link between the two. In Hasya Yoga, “Laughter” is used as a form of breath work and an excuse to breathe deeper into the abdomen. It gently expands the lung capacity by increasing abdominal breathing.
    It effectively flushes the 2/3 of “stale air” that most people unknowingly keep inside. Repeated practice teaches one to become more and more consciously aware of his/her own breathing pattern, bringing one into the fearless, trusting and loving “here” and “now”.
    Thanks for your question, Vlad!

  434. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 1:12 am #

    “A merry heart doeth good like a medicine.” — Proverbs 17:22
    “God has a smile on His face.” — Psalm 42:5
    “He that is of a merry heart has a continual feast.” — Proverbs 15:15
    “I commend mirth.” — Ecclesiastes 8:15
    “Let your heart by merry.” — Judges 19:6
    “Make a joyful noise to the Lord, all the earth; break forth into joyous song and sing praises!” —Psalm 98:4
    Spiritually-minded folks around the world are bringing laughter to their places of worship.
    If you are a church-goer and you do not hear laughter in your church … act quickly and do the right thing!

  435. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 1:17 am #

    Vlad, here is the book which was very influential in helping me laugh at myself:
    LAUGH FOR NO REASON
    http://www.laughteryoga.org/shopping/E_Book_English.html

  436. Widespreadpanic7 June 15, 2012 at 1:29 am #

    Dale you got me wrong. My motto has always been, and continues to be “With Malice Toward None”.
    But I’ve been looking for some news on the $40,000 per plate fundraiser at Sarah Jessica Parker’s house in Manhattan last night. I hope everything went OK. I understand the editor of Vogue Magazine, with her cotterie of Gay attendants, was there. Let me say right here and now I know my place and if I was in that dining room I would humbly kneel before such esteemed glitterati. That the chow was good goes without saying; after all, each plate costs $40,000. I don’t know if any Owser types were out on the streets protesting against such blatant excess. Ibendet, did you see any Owsers about? It seems like an event like this would be tailor made for such protestations. No? Maybe I’m wrong then. I’m curious, just what is Sarah Jessica’s area of expertise? Foriegn Affairs? The Middle East? Maybe Sarah Jessica could give the esteemed Nobel Peace Prize Winner some sage advice about what to do about the dozens of people massacred in Syria yeaserday, and the hunter-killer choppers Russia is sending to Syria next week. What’s for dessert?
    –WSP7

  437. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 1:46 am #

    Ibendet, did you see any Owsers about? It seems like an event like this would be tailor made for such protestations. No?
    ================
    No, Occupy Wall Street is concerned with structural theft of BILLIONS of dollars, which has lowered the standard of living of every American, especially those who own houses.
    This Sarah Jessica Parker affair which has you so riled, is VOLUNTARY, COSTS THOUSANDS NOT BILLIONS, and DOES NOT LOWER OUR STANDARD OF LIVING.
    When you make posts complaining about fund raisers, you seem very small and petty. Did you make similar posts about Bush fund raisers?
    Bush presided over an annual dinner at the cavernous Washington Convention Center, the last such fundraiser of his presidency. This one raised $21.5 million for Republican House and Senate candidates
    How much do you think Sarah Jessica Parker raised for a measly $40,000 a plate dinner? Tell me, WSP7, since you are following this so closely. Did it come anywhere near Bush’s $21.5 MILLION haul?

  438. Senneth June 15, 2012 at 2:50 am #

    Bill,
    Thanks for answering. 🙂
    Capt. Spaulding,
    It is annoying to keep scrolling past all the posts one doesn’t want to read. But the comments from others are truly worth it. There are so many good insights on this site that I come back to read the posts after I’ve decided not to.
    Being There,
    Finished the Shock Doctrine. Thank you so much for the head’s up on this book.

  439. pofh2qya June 15, 2012 at 5:33 am #

    ,New Balance Sneakers


    Female breast



  440. BeingThere June 15, 2012 at 7:31 am #

    Great, Senneth
    Now you know how this “captialism” works. What others see as stupid mistakes and shenanigans, you realize there are no mistakes, just different ways to set up a scenario to syphon off money from the public sector.
    ______________
    As for the Dem fundraiser at SJP. Obama made 4.5 million and Romney made 3.3 million on his.
    This my friends is a colossal misappropriation of money that could have been used for this country in way better ways than which head of the duopoly will be POTUS.
    Last evening they were saying how the money is used and it’s not just for commercials. Its all about the market research for us all. Because of the internet tracking they know what we’re all doing, they will target us specifically and that’s where the big bucks are spent.

  441. progress2conserve June 15, 2012 at 8:25 am #

    “Columbus may have been Jewish. The cream always rises to the top.”
    -buck stud, paraphrased-
    “That’s very interesting, Buck. Would you please elaborate and tell us what this means to you.”
    -p2c, paraphrased-
    “P2C, the meaning was clear… perhaps disturbing to you, but clear. I wish you would stop feigning stupidity to cover your racism.”
    -asoka.not paraphrased at all-
    +++++++++++++++++++++++
    Thus does asoka.as usual, stop all possibility of dialog or mutual understanding – gratuitously insulting p2c, while emphatically telling Buck Stud what Buck Stud MUST think.
    And it’s so nice how asoka.smashes P2C in the head with the rhetorical baseball bats of “STUPID” and “RACIST,” in one double smash.
    “I love how we are all such good friends on CFN and are so playful with one another.”
    -asoka.stupidity.racist-
    Hi Yo, Silver!
    “The Resident Impediment” rides again!!

  442. ozone June 15, 2012 at 9:38 am #

    BT,
    Orrrr-wellian!
    “Last evening they were saying how the money is used and it’s not just for commercials. Its all about the market research for us all. Because of the internet tracking they know what we’re all doing, they will target us specifically and that’s where the big bucks are spent.” -BT/LB
    Yep, they’re trying desperately to get me to buy shit that I have absolutely no interest in by targeting “locale” [especially] in ads designed jist fer me!
    I guess they don’t me/my tastes too well. What they’re revealing is THEMSELVES as my true enemies. (Banks, investment houses, political campaigns, slave traders (foreign marriage brokers), self-aggrandizing books from purveyors of mass murder, etc.)
    They certainly know not what they do, but it’s good for a chuckle. I’ve been mostly immune to advertising since… well… about forever. A born cynic/suspicious fool you say? So be it.

  443. ozone June 15, 2012 at 9:46 am #

    “I’m curious, just what is Sarah Jessica’s area of expertise? Foreign Affairs? The Middle East?” -WSP
    Got nuthin’ agin Ms. Parker, personally, but I would guess that her expertise is in canape-choosing, table-setting and [most important of all] seating charts. Demanding tasks, you understand, but we can be certain that she rose to the challenge with brilliance and flair! ;o)

  444. ozone June 15, 2012 at 10:07 am #

    Speaking of cloacal excreta, Colon POW!-well is flogging his new [revisionist] auto-biographical/psycho-drivel turd… I mean “tome” on the publick airwaves.
    He sez, upon going to bed at night, put in your mind that “tomorrow will be better”.
    Riiiiight; for Colon mebbe, for his victims, not so much.
    Treasonous bastard.

  445. charliefoxtrot June 15, 2012 at 10:09 am #

    ok, snark alert: i don t have anything agin her either; nor would i: i happen to think she s one of the flat- out ugliest women ever…EVAHR…i mean mister fuckin ed ugly- gotta feel just a little sorry for bueller on this one
    as for why they do the celebrity fundraisers, it s obvious to me that the money s nice, but the fanbase is what obama is really after…

  446. ozone June 15, 2012 at 10:17 am #

    Fanbase, hmmm?
    Sounds to me like you’ve struck the coffin with the shovel! ;o)

  447. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 10:33 am #

    Hi Yo, Silver!
    “The Resident Impediment” rides again!!
    =================
    That’s the spirit, P2C!
    If Asoka bothers you, I would suggest these strategies to deal with him:
    1) Put him in scrollover country (tm anti soak)
    2) Stay on topic (like BeingThere does)
    3) Ignore him
    4) Wait 5 years and he will go away.
    If you continue to read and call him names, I’m afraid you just may be giving him the attention he craves. He’s a nutter who believes in no borders, no army, no atomic mass murder! Crazy!

  448. Kyooshtik June 15, 2012 at 10:35 am #

    Hi Yo, Silver!
    ===========
    As the VP down at the bank (The Loan Arranger) departs the office in his white Lexus he yells “Hi Ho Silver, Away.”
    Disregard what Wikipedia says. They’ve got it wrong.

  449. ozone June 15, 2012 at 10:36 am #

    Charlie,
    Her caterer didn’t serve this tasty treat, but should have. ;o)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVpJeSqbnVU
    Uh, you gonna eat all that? Woof! Where’s K-dawg?

  450. charliefoxtrot June 15, 2012 at 10:53 am #

    feck! ‘video not available on mobile device’…and the dawg is at chasingthesquirrel.com…pheweet pheweet, k-dawg- you out there? who s a good boy? huh? who s a good boy? wanna come out and play? (all apologies dawg; couldn t resist)

  451. anti soak June 15, 2012 at 11:01 am #

    Meanwhile life goes on for the 99%.
    Obama will announce today A NEW POLICY ON ILLEGALS.
    HE WILL GIVE THEM WORK PAPERS.

  452. anti soak June 15, 2012 at 11:05 am #

    Sarah Jessica Parker is a latter day Barbara Streisand. Babs threw Clinton a 20? million dollar party, back in the day.

  453. charliefoxtrot June 15, 2012 at 11:18 am #

    huh…i smoke a little from time to time- does that make me a sick bird? where the fuck are my work papers?! OCB s, pleez!
    so he s pandered enough to the anti- crowd; time to switch to pandering to the immigrants, jest in time for the ‘lection…somebody in the administration must have been reading Kos a coupla days ago; they ran an article pointing out that, counting the hispanic vote gives Rmoney zero chance- and that spanish-language tv are pillorying ‘bomber for his ICE crackdown…talk about your flip flop; those two oughtta be walking hand-in-hand on a beach somewhere and fucking each other in the mouth instead of fucking us all out of our futures and very lives…treasonous bastards…

  454. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 11:47 am #

    Disregard what Wikipedia says. They’ve got it wrong.
    ==============
    [sarcasm on]
    Blasphemy! How could Wikipedia be wrong! Wikipedia is crowd-sourced, a product of hive mind, and we all know how intelligent the crowd is.
    [sarcasm off]

  455. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 11:50 am #

    Disregard what Wikipedia says. They’ve got it wrong.
    ==================
    When Asoka is not posting to CFN, he spends his time “correcting” Wikipedia articles.
    The fact that Asoka (and anyone else) can edit Wikipedia is an argument against using Wikipedia.

  456. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 11:54 am #

    HE WILL GIVE THEM WORK PAPERS.
    ================
    Just like Reagan did. Just like Bush did.
    It’s about time! Obama will extend his lead over Romney. Finally, immigrants get a break. Hooray!
    You have made my day! Thank you, anti soak!

  457. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 12:04 pm #

    As the VP down at the bank (The Loan Arranger) departs the office in his white Lexus he yells “Hi Ho Silver, Away.” Disregard what Wikipedia says. They’ve got it wrong.
    LOL!
    This is a true argument from authority. A bank VP is sourced to make an argument for “Hi Ho” … as opposed to the equally unauthoritative source, Wikipedia. We are soooo fucked!
    This is how people get information (from advertising on TV); this is how idiots gather information: from Wikipedia. We are soooo fucked!
    If you want to argue, use authoritative primary sources. Here is one on the Lone Ranger:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDedUcmvgL8
    The phrase appears at the 19 second mark and again at the 27 second mark.
    We are preoccupied with trivia. We are so fucked!

  458. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 12:12 pm #

    CORRECTION
    If you want to argue, use authoritative primary sources, preferably scholarly sources that have been peer-reviewed by experts in the field in question.
    Wikipedia is not scholarly.
    Wikipedia is not peer-reviewed.
    Wikipedia articles are anonymous, so there is no way of knowing if an article has been edited by a subject expert, or by an elementary school student, or, horrors, by Asoka!
    Do NOT use Wikipedia. Use libraries, or primary source documents, which libraries have.

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  461. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 12:16 pm #

    CORRECTION
    If you want to argue, use authoritative primary sources, preferably scholarly sources that have been peer-reviewed by experts in the field in question.
    Wikipedia is not scholarly.
    Wikipedia is not peer-reviewed.
    Wikipedia articles are anonymous, so there is no way of knowing if an article has been edited by a subject expert, or by an elementary school student, or, horrors, by Asoka!
    Do NOT use Wikipedia. Use libraries, or primary source documents, which libraries also have.

  462. charliefoxtrot June 15, 2012 at 12:21 pm #

    egg rolls and bread crumbs, baby! never eaten spam; don t read it, and don t want to

  463. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 12:26 pm #

    Message to Chinese spammer:
    I am here more than you are.
    Your attempts to dilute my important messages will fail.
    I will re-post making it twice as likely (twice meaning before your spam and after your spam) that someone will read my erudite and concise messages.
    If this is what you want, an amplification of Asoka, then keep spamming.
    ?????????????????????????
    [???????????]
    ?????????????????????????

  464. Vlad Krandz June 15, 2012 at 12:30 pm #

    Obama passes “dream” act by exectutive decree. Who needs Congress? Obama believes in “Democracy” after all or rule by the Mob.
    800,000 young Hispanics now to be legal. These are thugs, welfare cheats, and even when not, fast breeders. Another stoke of doom. We tried to warn you, but you laughed us to scorn.
    http://www.drudgereport.com/

  465. Vlad Krandz June 15, 2012 at 12:38 pm #

    What a hideous image! Laughing may be good or you but to force it is so unnatural. It’s masturbation compared to sex. It’s like those up tight women who go for power walks as opposed to just going for a walk. It’s bullshit and hopeuflly, you’re just bullshitting about doing it.
    From a yogic point of view: breathing is an autonomic activity. So it can be beneficial to be conscious of it and fine tune it. Laughing is not nearly such a fundamental thing – a social or external activity for the most part. The benefits you describe are more easily attained thru pranayama – making all such unatural forcing unnecessary.

  466. Vlad Krandz June 15, 2012 at 12:39 pm #

    You forgot to mention controlled by Jews as well.

  467. xhalor June 15, 2012 at 12:45 pm #

    My god. The Vlad & Assoka Show AND Chinese spam?
    If this were an in-flight movie I would still walk out.

  468. Kyooshtik June 15, 2012 at 1:33 pm #

    Another stoke of doom.
    =============
    Haha. stoke

  469. Kyooshtik June 15, 2012 at 1:44 pm #

    It’s bullshit and hopeuflly, you’re just bullshitting
    =============
    Pronunciation of bolded word above:
    hope-you-flee
    haha

  470. Vlad Krandz June 15, 2012 at 2:33 pm #

    Yo, Be Town: you never answered Prog’s existential question. Neither did Zone, but no one expects much of him. People made a bid deal about your return – now you have to live up to that. No one said being (a woman or anything really) was supposed to be easy. If you take the weight, you gotta pay the freight.

  471. Vlad Krandz June 15, 2012 at 2:38 pm #

    The one who leads you to the Guru is also Guru. You lead me to T (making money hand over fist) and then to Higgins. Post a pic and I will do a puja for your health and long life.
    My Father used to play the Dogs, and now so do I in a different way. Remember, if Obama get reelected, throw tens or hundreds of thousands onto Smith & Wesson the next morning. It’ll be a ten banger for sure.

  472. 10685jtbpe June 15, 2012 at 3:00 pm #

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  473. Kyooshtik June 15, 2012 at 3:03 pm #

    and then to Higgins
    ============
    What Higgins?
    ‘enery ‘iggins?
    Yes, T is on a wonderful run despite Ixnei/Ixnomor’s admonitions. Another dividend is due in about 3 weeks, $0.44/share.
    Don’t want to break your heart but you might as well buy that Smith & Wesson right now because Obama WILL be re-elected.

  474. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 3:15 pm #

    What a hideous image! Laughing may be good to you but to force it is so unnatural.
    ===============
    Going to the gym and forcing the lifting of dumbbells is not “natural” either, but it can bring benefits.
    The completely “unnatural” can bring benefits, like simulating laughter with vigorous “ha-ha’s” and “ho-ho’s.” In a group setting, this “fake” laughter quickly becomes real and contagious and may continue for half an hour or more.
    Laughter brings more oxygen to the tissue, boosts immunity, relieves pain, lowers stress, and even helps protect against heart disease, diabetes, arthritis, migraine, and cancer.
    Laughter is a powerful technique – safe, easy, and a lot of fun.
    YKKKMMV.

  475. Vlad Kramps June 15, 2012 at 3:15 pm #

    Those Cfn’ers who’ve been around a long time might remember that Assoka used to cite Wikipedia many times in the past to prove his points (not the ones on his head but in his head). Now all of a sudden he says not to use Wikipedia, that it is not a valid source of information. In the words of Gomer Pyle, “Wayall, surprise, surprise, surprise!”
    And he mentions that the time he’s not posting on CFN he is correcting, updating information on Wikipedia. His is a dirty job, but someone’s got to do it. When does he get the time to gather his fruits and nuts? Does he have time to give Mrs. Soak a good porking now and then, or does he leave that up to the local natives? Only Thyme will tell.
    Also, seems the Chinese spammers are out to get HIM. Classic case of Persecution complex seems to me.

  476. Michigan Native June 15, 2012 at 3:19 pm #

    As hopeless as politics are, I became a recent convert to Ron Paul, hoping at least to avert the implementation of martial law, a currency collapse, and end to the fed and the IRS, a restoration of our freedom and Constitutional rights, minimal government, and an end to foreign interventionism. Legalizing marijuanna was another plus, even though I don’t use the stuff anymore (it amplifies reality, alcohol dulls it)
    I initially supported Obama, enraged at what Bush co did after they stole the election, only to find that Obama is not much better. Nobody can restart growth, no amount of hot air piped in from any of those assholes in Washington will heat your homes, power your cars, or regenerate fossil fuels. Whoever is selected in 2012, if we don’t collapse by then, will preside over an empire that collapsed on their watch.
    Awhile back, I believe it was Ozone who posted that all of Mitt Romney’s foreign policy advisors have dual US/Israel citizenship. I looked this up, and came up with this link http://www.alipac.us/f19/mitt-romney%92s-foreign-policy-team-israeli-dual-citizens-257516/
    If true, the implications are mind fucking staggering. Even a neocon like Colin Powell criticized Romney’s team as lacking military expertise and being too far to the right. How objective will these people be regarding Iran, who has 60% of the remaining total of 50% of the world’s remaining oil?
    We are talking about potential WWIII here,as China and Russia have threatened to intervene, and certainly a pissed off Iran and other OPEC nations will enter into long term barter arrangements and lock the US out of the 2/3 of energy we need to import. Potential WWIII, certain collapse of the US.
    Mitt Romney would be Bush all over again, Obama apparently isn’t barking for his masters fast enough. Kill them faster, bomb them into the stone age, torture them, and kill their leaders…under the guise of some false threat or “humanitarian” mission. The illegal immigration issue pales in comparison.
    So here’s my prediction. Voter purges continue in Texas and Florida, and with a lot of help from black box voting machines, Romney wins by a narrow margin. He will promise to “heal” the nation like the asshole liars before him.
    A reckless military campaign, ill planned like the one in Iraq, will be implemented against Iran. The wishes of the majority and the rest of the world be damned. A new version of “shock and awe” will take out the government buildings as a prelude to a massive aerial bombardment (unless that advanced Russian anti aircraft system proves to be a good as some claim). A land invasion will follow that will prove to be a blood bath, deplted uranium munitions will be used generously, the president and leaders of that country will be captured and executed.
    If a limited nuclear campaign isn’t triggered, the complete and total collapse of the US will follow. We will be left out to dry with no friends left in the world, they will tell us to go fuck ourselves, martial law will be implemented, and starving and impoverished americans will know why the “national defense authorization act” was implemented and why the “department of homeland security” bought those 450,000,000 millions rounds of hollow points and the 12,700 armored vehicles.
    Meanwhile the predator drones keep flying, they haven’t been used to kill anyone on american soil yet, Obama has decided to start “limited” military strikes on Syria in what the liars and propagandists are calling another “humanitarian mission”. I am betting the US funds Al Queda mercenaries to take out Assad, but Russia has threatened to send in 2 divisions, so this may or may not be another Libya. As best I know Syria doesn’t have vast oil reserves and has not threateneed to dump the US petro dollar, like Qaddafy did. Why is a broke and bleeding country like the US meddling with Syria to begin with? Nothing good will come from this, at least for the US
    The insanity will never end, the elections will be rigged by people who do not have our best interests in mind (nothing new there), only this time, a great deal more misery and death. That is what I see. Anyone see a different outcome? I would bet you but I don’t like to steal people’s money, I prefer to earn it. (That’s why I hate lawyers, politicians, and the government along with anyone else who steals, harms, and kills other people)
    I guess what I was getting at is that illegal immigration and these other issues will be minor footnotes in a country that collapsed

  477. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 3:21 pm #

    I get it. You are on a plane, and still you would walk out, even though it means your death. Ha ha.
    But in reality you have to LOG ON to CFN. You have to select the comments you want to see. You have to scroll through to find the comments you want to read among all the fluff.
    You are not on a plane. Nobody is forcing you to read anything you don’t want to read. And still you complain about your voluntary suffering. Incredible.

  478. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 3:29 pm #

    Whoever is selected in 2012, if we don’t collapse by then…
    What makes you think there are going to be elections, what with so many people arming themselves with Smith and Wessons, hot to use their firepower on someone.
    If we are in turbulent times, maybe the best thing to do would be to postpone the elections indefinitely, kind of like justice is postponed at Guantanamo Bay … indefinitely.
    But I don’t think that is going to happen. I think Obama is going to be re-elected because he has proven to be a hawk, more militaristic and more intelligent than Romney.
    Romney sought and received FIVE DEFERMENTS to avoid going to Vietnam. None of his sons went to war either. I guess, in the words of ChickHawk Cheney, they all had “other priorities.”

  479. Vlad Kramps June 15, 2012 at 3:45 pm #

    Once again Obama circumvents Congress and declares it a free for all on immigration (30 and under) in what will be a defining blow to what’s left of the working class in the U.S. Was it a nod to the Hispanic vote, after pissing them off when he says it’s okay to be gay, and abortion is okay, too.
    The biggest chuckle I had today while at the gym and watching CNN (no choice in the matter) I heard it said that lawful illegals will no longer be deported by DHS. Isn’t being here illegally an unlawful act? Why do I continue to try to make sense of this bullshit?
    I do not share MN’s view about the impending collapse of the U.S. But I do have to wonder why it is that we have all of these wars going on, militaries crushing anyone in opposition to new and not-so-new dictatorships, our focus in the news here is two sexual perverts who either cover up the diddling of little boys, or who are outrageous preditors who seek carnal knowledge of little boys.
    The Bilderbergers are slowly showing their hand. Unchecked immigration will pit worker against worker here, lowering wages and encouraging those still lucky enough to have a job to shut up and put their nose to the grindstone. The value of money is ever so slowly being eaten away as our currency is being created out of thin air. Just about every Islamist country hates America, including, wonder-of-wonders, Pakistan. People ask why a former ally, Pakistan, now hates us. Well, because civilized countries just don’t swoop down on another sovereign country, and murder people sleeping there. A civilized country would, having found where Bin Laden was holed up, demand that he be extradicted to the U.S. to be put on trial for terrorism.
    As citizens, we are groped, interrogated, and put through scanners to ensure that we’re not terrorists. But how easy would it be for some eager terrorists to cross into the U.S. via our Mexican border, where Obama has spread out a huge welcome mat? Kind of makes you think.

  480. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 3:55 pm #

    Isn’t being here illegally an unlawful act?
    No, not unless you consider a two-month old baby brought across the border to be committing “an unlawful act.” Being in this country without papers is not committing “an unlawful act” and immigrants are not criminals.
    You must just be too stupid to make sense of what you call “bullshit” but which actually makes sense according to the legal system we have.
    Assistant Homeland Security Secretary John Morton is currently head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. A former federal prosecutor, Morton is no squishy liberal and he doesn’t take lawbreakers lightly. Yet, when asked in an interview whether illegal immigrants are de facto criminals, he answered: “Not necessarily.”
    It all depends, he said, on the specific circumstances of any one case. The thing to keep in mind is that the laws governing who is allowed to enter the country and under what circumstances aren’t criminal statutes.
    “The immigration laws are civil in nature,” Morton said. “There are criminal immigration offenses but mainly they are misdemeanors in most instances.
    Your knee-jerk anti-immigrant stance prevents you from engaging in any kind of nuanced thinking, kind of like what happens to me with the subject of use of immoral weapons, like atomic bombs, on civilian populations.
    I’m against the mass murder of babies …. go figure.
    But you are getting all bent out of shape about misdemeanor violations of civil regulations. I feel sorry for you. You are morally-challenged.

  481. Vlad Kramps June 15, 2012 at 3:57 pm #

    As hopeless as politics are, I became a recent convert to Ron Paul, hoping at least to avert the implementation of martial law, a currency collapse, and end to the fed and the IRS, a restoration of our freedom and Constitutional rights, minimal government, and an end to foreign interventionism. MN
    *********
    Ron Paul is a major league pal of Romney’s. Ron’s family (Rand, etc.) have come out in support of Romney’s presidential bid. Romney is in the pocket of Israel, as is most of Congress and the media. That’s why none of what you see in the news makes any sense. Our government is bought and paid for by Israel. The Palestinians are quite pissed. China and Russia are two countries not afraid to show up for a good fight, so while our PTB are thinking they’re awfully cute, anyone with any working knowledge of both China and Russia know that they can be quite brutal when properly stirred up. And the U.S. is holding a gigantic spoon in the caldron of shit that is about to be spilled.

  482. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 4:04 pm #

    When Santorum and Gingrich were giving it to Romney with both barrels, Ron Paul was playing chickenshit politics and carefully avoided criticizing Romney. Paul is nothing more than a Republican politician who probably has his hopes of getting some kind of political appointment … so he handled Romney with kid gloves. What a hypocrite! What a coward!

  483. Vlad Kramps June 15, 2012 at 4:04 pm #

    And you are a nincompoop…with emphasis on the word “poop”. Notice you didn’t deny the fact that you’ve quoted from Wikipedia in the past – a fact that can easily be found by looking into the archives. You are a liar and a fraud. I’m glad I’m not the only one here to expose you.

  484. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 4:16 pm #

    Of course I did not deny using Wikipedia. I have cited from Wikipedia when responding to people like E. and Q. who are enamored of it and believe what it says. It made sense to use it in those instances because that lent credibility to my argument IN THEIR EYES.
    My posts stand on their own, so I need not comment on your “liar and fraud” calumnia. Your slanderous remarks are despicable. (I’m going to go make some popcorn while I await your response. This is fun!)
    I’m glad I have the opportunity it defend myself against baseless attacks from someone who thinks simply being here is “an unlawful act” and seems incapable of understanding the difference between civil and criminal law.
    Next.

  485. Vlad Kramps June 15, 2012 at 4:32 pm #

    Of course I did not deny using Wikipedia. I have cited from Wikipedia when responding to people like E. and Q. who are enamored of it and believe what it says. It made sense to use it in those instances because that lent credibility to my argument IN THEIR EYES. – Ass
    ***********
    So NOW you claim to know what E and Q believe? If I thought you actually possessed a pair, I’d say you’ve got SOME balls. You are a mental midget compared to E and Q. You’re the only one on this thread that doesn’t know it. There now, you’ve been “tagged”!

  486. Michigan Native June 15, 2012 at 4:35 pm #

    That is true, about the chickenhawks. I would argue that presidents do not get selected based on their intelligence, but rather if the most powerful, entrenched special interests want them in power.
    The ideals of Ron Paul appeal to me, but they whacked JFK for many of the same things Ron Paul advocates. I don’t think making a weird right turn towards a grassy knoll with a professional assasin hiding behind a picket fence disguised as a Dallas police officer would work with all the video/camcorders these days, and people would know better than to hand them over to men posed as “secret service agents” never to be seen again, but anyone who somehow may elected would be well advised to have his own mechanics check his airplane, as I have suspected that was/is a new neat “whack em” trick the CIA concocted (remember Jerry Brown? JFK jr, who was supposedly getting presidential aspirations)Maybe Bill Clinton was supposed to be on airforce one that day Brown died, but then again, he was just another neocon asshole who pushed NAFTA through with all his might, so I could very well be wrong
    That being said, I retained some of my liberal ideas. Paulians tend to be fiscal conservatives (sound money, don’t spend what you don’t have) while remaining socially liberal, even radical…legalize drugs, get the government out of your personal life and your bedroom, minimal government (a really great idea after one looks at what decades of big, out of control government has accomplished), etc. The government couldn’t run a goddamned lemonade stand, let alone manage a local disaster like Katrina. I fear that will prove to be verfy efficient at killing people and stealing their money when the US collapses, which is a foregone conclusion in my book. Anyone else can stay in denial or think what they want, its no skin off my ass
    Back to presidents getting elected on the basis of their intellect. Remember that cock sucker named Ronald Reagan? (someone should have bought Hinkley a bigger gun, my father used to say after the bastard fired the air traffic controllers that supported him. The man Reagan beat was far more intelligent, he didn’t have fuckin end stage Alzheimers. Jimmy Carter tried to warn us about our energy predicament, and he was 100% right, as recent events and the next few years will prove. A precious 30 year window of opportunity to mitigate the energy disaster we are soon to face could was blown because people was assholes backi then just like they are now and didn’t want to hear the truth.
    Al Gore vs that son of a Bush, the runner up in the 2000 and 2004 elections? Actually, I am glad Gore lost, because if something happened to him, we would have been stuck with that rat bastard Lieberman, the little fucking weasel that he is. That is a no brainer. Al Gore was brilliant, if at least literate. “The question is seldom asked….IS our children being educated”…..”teach a child to read and he or her will pass a literacy test”. That inbred dickwad fell out of the stupid tree and hit every branch on the way.
    So your notion that Obama will win because he is smarter than Romney, like most everything else you say, has no basis in reality, but I will agree Obama is smarter. That doesn’t mean shit if the special interests want him out. They have started purging voters in Texas and Florida, and those Diebolt black box voting machines are still in wide use, I would be very alarmed if I were you.
    Speaking of chickenhawks, I don’t like Ted dog breath Nugent. I support people’s right to defend themselves, but I fail to see much of a difference between Obama or Romney, only that Romney may start WWIII, get the US locked out of the oil trade, and bring on the wholesale collapse of the US even faster than Obama would have. Nugent acts like the sky is going to fall if Obama gets elected. Again, my prediction is that the deck is being rigged for Romney because of his eagerness to engage in another massive aerial and ground war. Nugent had aspirations to run for the governor of Michigan, and as much as I hated Jennifer Granholm, I might have voted for him just to get that bitch out, but then these rumors started circulating that he got out of having to go to Vietnam by pissing and shitting in his pants for a week or so and not shaving or showering. I heard he moved to Texas. No great loss in my book.

  487. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 4:45 pm #

    There now, you’ve been “tagged”!
    I’m afraid I’m not smart enough to know what this means.
    Are you referring to some juvenile schoolyard game? I hope not, for your sake.
    Hello? We are facing life and death choices. Could you respond to something more relevant, like peak oil and alternative zero-emission energy sources? Or overshoot, or EROEI?
    Now, am I supposed to say “Tag, you’re it”?

  488. Michigan Native June 15, 2012 at 4:51 pm #

    Yes, I saw where Rand gave his endorsement to Romney. However I saw Ron Paul tear into Rick Perry and the other front runners in the debates, but the system would never allow him to get elected. In a post collapse US, his ideals may become reality….you can’t empire build or mantain a massive military machine without the energy to sustain it,people will lose faith in a currency not backed by gold or something of value as a medium of exchange, minimal government will matter most as many states will realize they would be much better off detached from a money devouring, debt addicted, out of control, wasteful, stupid and corrupt federal government, the government as the nanny state on steroids will dispappear as such issues as prostitution or pot smoking will pale in comparison to mass hunger and starvation, bloodshed and mayhem in the streets, a lack of clean drinking water, lack of heat in the winter, brown outs and black outs as the lights go out
    Fracking and shale gas may have bought us time, but when OPEC dumps the US petro dollar, and an invasion of Iran may prompt them to do so even sooner, and we have to rely on the declining 1/3 of our domestic energy production and the new drilling technologies tend to deplete gas desposits even sooner and tends to contaminate ground water. Maybe we could survive by drinking our own urine and harnessing the awesome power to be obtained from gerbil wheels, but I think chances are better that Barabara Bush will win the next beauty pageant or become a pole dancer (good one, James). Collapse is inevitable and will unleash a nightmare in the US beyond anyone’s wildest imagination

  489. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 4:51 pm #

    my prediction is that the deck is being rigged for Romney because of his eagerness to engage in another massive aerial and ground war.
    And you think Obama is not? Obama has shown he is more than willing to do the dirty work of taking on the “terrorists”
    In a time of war, this country never votes to replace a sitting president.
    Starting something with Iran just before the election would mean a sure victory for Obama and Obama IS the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, so all the cards are in his hand.
    Romney cannot precipitate a national emergency to get elected. Romney cannot start a war to get elected. Obama can.

  490. Michigan Native June 15, 2012 at 5:03 pm #

    A national emergency does not need to be “precipitated”. It has already started (some call it the recession, others know it is peak oil and the end of growth). It’s all downhill from now, and the government knows it. That’s why we got choke fed the “national defense authorization act” and the “department of homeland security” and those Halliburton “FEMA camps”. The internet kill switch, your cell phones jammed or shut off, and martial law is attempted. I think they will succeed because let’s face it, most americans are pussies, they have taken all this shit up their ass all this time, most other people around the world would be dragging their politicians out and giving them the Mussolini treatment by now

  491. Vlad Kramps June 15, 2012 at 5:04 pm #

    As I said, Romney and Paul are very good buddies. No doubt Romney is going to head us into WWIII if he can, even faster than Obama. Asstute observation on your part by noticing Ron Paul remaining silent while Sanitorium and Gingrich were “raking him over the coals”. You noticed. I didn’t.
    That being said, It’s all a dog and pony show, and an expensive one at that. Anti-soak is in a snit because Sara Jessica Parker and all of the other Hollywood knitwits are kneeling down to kiss Obama’s privates. The real $$$ is the stuff we don’t read about which is the cash Israel sends to Congress in order to do their bidding. It will be hell on earth for Jews when, not if, Russia and China decide enough is enough. Saudi Arabia can turn on a dime. If our currency continues its state of decline, we’re going to be far out on a limb with a very unstable tree and rotting roots. Cheers!

  492. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 5:08 pm #

    The internet kill switch, your cell phones jammed or shut off…
    This would be accepted passively by the public, as long as you don’t shut down TV, FoxNews, Dancing with the Stars, American Idol, etc.
    Mess with their TV and you risk people getting off their sofas and going out into the streets, armed. TPTB do not want to risk that.

  493. Michigan Native June 15, 2012 at 5:10 pm #

    Here I was thinking you were an ardent Obama supporter. Americans will find out the hard way that there is no political solution and that their federal government never had their interests in mind and has long since been hijacked by special interests. Just wait and see.

  494. Michigan Native June 15, 2012 at 5:19 pm #

    I forgot to add about Ron Paul or anyone else who actually tries to make a difference or enact real change (a sure sign of an impending nervous breakdown=actually believing you can make a difference). If they should see their human shield ordered to jump off that limo before it makes a weird turn towards a sniper’s nest, then get ready to duck. Likewise, if the limo driver should start to slow down after shots ring out when their burn and bang training tells them to mash down on the gas and get the hell out of dodge, then duck. Just one of hundreds of things I could mention

  495. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 5:24 pm #

    I guess you are new here. I have occasionally called for Obama to be prosecuted and imprisoned for war crimes. Drone attacks have killed many and 17% of them were civilians. This is a crime against humanity in my book.
    I have also posted the Green Party’s ten core values and advocated voting for Jill Stein. I am not a libertarian. Libertarians are Republicans who want to smoke pot.
    I am not a Democrat because Obama has cut so many public employee jobs, he has actually shrunk the size of government despite the massive needs we have to develop alternative energy, educate our young to be competitive, repair our national infrastructure, develop mass transit alternatives to happy motoring, increase employment, reduce poverty, etc.
    I know we disagree on this, but I am in favor of BIG GOVERNMENT and HIGHER TAXES ON THE RICH.

  496. Vlad Krandz June 15, 2012 at 5:56 pm #

    I can only imagine the horrors your mirror has seen – like the old Night Gallery opening that used to freak me out as a kid.
    Someday the mirror is going to tire of being so ill used and reach out and pop you right in the mouth mid contortion.

  497. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 6:08 pm #

    Vlad, you are talking about something you know nothing about as you have not seen just how beautiful my face is, and how much more beautiful it becomes when the mirror image helps me to laugh.

  498. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 6:11 pm #

    500th!

  499. Vlad Krandz June 15, 2012 at 6:20 pm #

    Michael B O’Higgins, author of “Beating the Dow” and the “low five” method. You pick the ten best dividend stocks among the Dow 30 (the dividend being an indicator of health in the Dow Companies), and then invest in the 5 cheapest of these. This method has done better than the Dow almost every year for the last 40 or so. And most professionals can’t even do as good as the Dow. Significantly, two of the picks you gave me were low fives or “Dogs of the Dow”. The third, PEG, I sadly left alone even though it looked good, it not being a Dow 30. Another method is investing in all ten – though not as good as the low five. Strangely, the second cheapest of the low five is also a pick that can have amazing results – but obviousy much more of a risk as a single stock.
    O Higgings Law: People tend to complicate something in direct proportion to its importance. Thus they often miss the forest for the trees.
    What makes you so sure of an Obama victory?

  500. Vlad Krandz June 15, 2012 at 6:23 pm #

    Forgive me. As a Lemurean seeker, you may benefit from things which would not be beneficial to a seeker of the fourth (Atlantean) or fifth (Aryan) root races. So conitinue to titter and giggle as you make faces at yourself by all means.

  501. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 6:24 pm #

    Dada la magnitud de la vida en el cosmos, una vida humana no es más que un pequeño destello. Cada uno de nosotros es un visitante sólo para este planeta, un invitado, que sólo se quedará por un tiempo limitado, ¿qué mayor locura puede haber que pasar este tiempo solo, triste o en conflictos con nuestros compañeros? Mucho mejor, sin duda, para usar nuestro tiempo aquí es vivir una vida significativa, enriquecida por nuestro sentido de conexión con los demás…
    — Su Santidad el Dalai Lama

  502. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 6:25 pm #

    You are forgiven for this error.

  503. San Jose Mom 51 June 15, 2012 at 6:31 pm #

    Wow! Asoka speaks Spanish! I’m so impressed.

  504. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 6:34 pm #

    All my neighbors speak Spanish, so it comes in handy. Took me four years to become fluent.

  505. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 6:46 pm #

    The Obama campaign responded to Romney’s remarks on Friday, pointing out that the former Massachusetts governor previously said he would veto the Dream Act and has opposed providing legal status to undocumented immigrants.
    “His ‘solution’ to our immigration challenges was self-deportation,” campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt said in a statement. “Today he continues to refuse to express support for legislation that lets children who were brought to the U.S. and want to contribute by pursuing higher education or serve in the military stay in America.”

  506. asoka. June 15, 2012 at 6:57 pm #

    WASHINGTON — Sen. John McCain said in an interview posted online Friday that “foreign money” was helping fellow Republican Mitt Romney’s presidential hopes and singled out one of his ally’s most generous supporters.
    McCain, the GOP’s 2008 presidential nominee, suggested casino magnate Sheldon Adelson’s $10 million contribution to a pro-Romney super PAC was a conduit for Adelson to use profits from properties in Macau to shape American elections. McCain also criticized the Supreme Court ruling that allows individuals and corporations to make such unlimited donations to nominally independent political action committees.
    “That is a great deal of money. And, again, we need a level playing field and we need to go back to the realization that Teddy Roosevelt had: that we have to have a limit on the flow of money and that corporations are not people,” McCain said in an interview with PBS’ NewsHour.
    Romney needs to remind McCain:
    “Corporations are people, my friend.”

  507. anti soak June 15, 2012 at 7:29 pm #

    Yr comment is funny, and the fact sad…
    lotsa asoka and bizarre spam.
    JIM, PLEASE BAN CHINESE SPAM. IT GIVES ME INDIGESTION.

  508. 7252nrqc58 June 15, 2012 at 7:30 pm #

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  509. anti soak June 15, 2012 at 7:41 pm #

    It was me, not Ozone who posted that, probably a week ago.
    I go to a few sites [TakiMag, Occidental, Alt right,
    Political Cesspool, Unamusement] and found it, probably at one of them.
    Depressing facts. I clicked yr link and saw the 2.3T $ is still missing [no surprise, probably in rummys swiss bank account]. And Obama OKs 3 million more illegals, on top of 1? million a year legally and diversity visas + 80,000 muslims as ‘refugees’.
    Devils on both sides, with BHO determined to bankrupt USA and destroy Euro culture. I never believed in his ‘hope n change’.
    [Continue yr ‘destroy asoka’ campaign, with my blessings].

  510. anti soak June 15, 2012 at 7:44 pm #

    ‘I guess what I was getting at is that illegal immigration and these other issues will be minor footnotes in a country that collapse’
    Countries collapse when borders collapse.
    I wonder if the Obamas have a nice ranch in South America, yet.

  511. anti soak June 15, 2012 at 8:19 pm #

    Meanwhile in the XUSSR:
    there are 2 million Muslims (1/5 of the population) in Moscow. Now that they have the requisite 20% of the population, they start making relentless demands on the non-Muslim government. If they don’t get what they want, eventually, there will be riots in the streets……….[barenaked islam]

  512. Vlad Krandz June 15, 2012 at 9:12 pm #

    True Greatness, the Legacy of Enoch Powell, a Prophet crying in the Wilderness – without honor in his own time but vindicted ever more each decade.
    http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/06/enoch-powell-rivers-of-blood/#more-27919

  513. Vlad Kramps June 15, 2012 at 9:18 pm #

    JFC, Dad! Drunk already! What am I gonna tell mom on Father’s Day? “Gee, here he is Ma, picked him up from the Saratoga Men’s Bath House, passed out and reeking from bourbon and semen. Did you want me to give him his Old Spice aftershave gift box (that you paid for since I don’t have a job anymore) or do you want me to wait until he gets sober (hint-never!)