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A Look in the Mirror

     The verdict is apparently in: if Fox News will replace its current heraldic theme music with a mariachi band, and Sean Hannity puts on a sombrero for his nightly broadcast prayer circle, then the Republican Party will once again rule the land…
    …Not – in the immortal word of Borat Sagdiyev.
     The so-called Grand Old Party now faces a fugue of recrimination that could end in its demise. The party marginalized itself by becoming an alliance of corporate oligarchs with poorly-educated Southern suburban white trash religious fanatics, both using each other to browbeat the nation into transforming itself into kleptocratic theocracy. There are no more people of good will and intelligence left in that camp, and a blame-fest between its two remaining factions can only lead to a death struggle.
     The beginning of the end really came with the death of William F. Buckley in 2008. Buckley labored for years to keep the John Birch Society and its agents out of the GOP’s leadership circles. For those of you unacquainted with this organization, it was a group that coalesced during the early 1950s anti-communist crusade of Wisconsin Senator Joseph McCarthy. The Birchers named themselves after an obscure American soldier and Baptist missionary executed by the Red Army in China during the final months of World War Two. The group was founded and funded by Robert Welch, a Boston candy manufacturer (Junior Mints, Sugar Daddy) tormented by conspiracy fantasies. Another founding board member was Fred Koch, father of the billionaire Koch brothers, Charles and David, who have become the latter-day sugar daddies of the Republican Party.
      The Birchers retailed all kinds of ideological nonsense that made them the butt of ridicule during the Camelot days of John F. Kennedy and the heady Civil Rights years of his successor Lyndon B. Johnson. (Bob Dylan wrote a song about them in 1962: “Talkin’ John Birch Paranoid Blues.”) Everything perceived to be a threat in a changing society was sold by the Birchers as a communist plot – water fluoridation, de-segregation, even, by a kind of tortured logic, the US strategy in the Vietnam War. Since a Democratic president and congress passed the civil rights legislation of 1964-5, the traditionally Democratic “solid South” revolted almost overnight and eventually turned solidly Republican. (It was also good for business.)
     Something else was going on in Dixieland from the late 1950s on. The region boomed economically, partly from luring northern industry down with cheap labor, and partly because so many large military bases were located there – hence the hyperbolic, militant patriotism of a region that had lately staged a violent insurrection against the national government. The region also went through an explosion of air-conditioned suburban sprawl because the southern states were geographically huge and the climate was unbearable half the year. The sprawl industry itself generated vast fortunes and widespread prosperity in a part of the country that had been a depressed agricultural backwater since the Civil War. 
     Consequently, a population of poor, ignorant crackers crawled out of the mud and dust to find themselves wealthy car dealers and strip-mall magnates in barely one turn of a generation. The transition being so abrupt, their cracker culture of xenophobia, “primitive” religion, and romance with violence came through intact. They were the perfect client group for a political party that styled itself “conservative,” as in maintaining the old timey ways. Toward the end of the 20th century, as the old northern states’ economies withered, and Yankee culture lost both footing and meaning, and poor white folks all over America looked with envy on the glitz of country music and Nascar, and gravitated toward the Dixieland culture of belligerent, aggressive suburbanization, religiosity, and militarism. This cartoon of the old timey ways swept the “flyover” precincts of the nation. Along in the baggage compartment was all the old John Birch Society cargo of quasi-supernatural ideology that appealed so deeply to people perplexed by the mystifying operations of reality. That perplexity was supposedly resolved in a Bush II White House aide famously stating, “We make our own reality.” The results of the 2012 election now conclusively demonstrate the shortcomings of that world-view.
     And so the news last week was that a different version of America outvoted the John Birch Dixiecrat coalition by roughly two million ballots. Meaning, of course, that there are still a lot of dangerous morons out there, but also that the times they are yet a’changin’ again. I am personally glad that Mr. Romney lost because he came across to me as a dangerously hollow, not very smart, pre-cooked personality marinated in cant and opportunism. I’m not so delirious either about the victor, Mr. Obama, though he seems a more reliable character in contrast to his vanquished opponent. I think we can rely on him to not prosecute any misconduct in banking for another four years. But, at least, he’s not trying to turn the country into one big prayer circle.
     He’s surely in for a rough ride in the four years ahead. There is a sickening, heavy sense of foreboding about the seemingly endless financial melodrama. It leads to the bewildering fork in the road at which the split paths lead to two different ways of going broke: savage deflation or turbo-inflation. Either way, you’re toast. The gross interventions and arrant accounting fraud that pervade global finance, both in government and in private banking, can only lead to perversity and dysfunction in the operations of money that we depend on to remain civilized.
     If America were able to look in a mirror now, it would see an image of a sclerotic society, physically run down, strikingly ugly, and sordid in its cultural programing. It would see an armature for daily life – the drive-in Utopia – with very poor prospects for the future. I don’t know if Mr. Obama can get this nation engaged in the great tasks that we have been avoiding for so long: purging corporate money from politics, preparing for post-petroleum reality minus the fantasy that we can just live inside our smart phones, and downscaling and re-localizing economic life. Much of that agenda would seem contrary to the common expectation that Mr. Obama wants ever more government intervention in the economy. The past four years he has seemingly done everything possible to support the status quo – leading a few observers to brand him as a “conservative” – and he still acts like a hostage of the too-big-to-fail banks. I’m not convinced that he’ll act decisively for the right things in the right way on anything. At least he won’t be running for office again and can act perhaps more freely as he will. Anyway, I subscribe to the sentiment that it was a good thing for the nation to re-elect a leader of mixed-race, to show that we mean it about who is allowed to succeed here.
      I spent a lot of time in Dixieland this fall. I can report that its era of hyper-prosperity is on the wane. The boom is pretty much over, except for some deceptive last twitchings over in Texas and in the Northern Virginia beltway counties where lobbyists spawn. The failure of the Republican Party this year marks the end of the economic ascendency of the South. Now they will have to contend with the imminent failure of their suburban way of life and all its comfortable trappings. I’ve predicted for many years that the process would drive them batshit crazy. When I was in North Carolina in October, I got the odd impression that I was in a giant car dealership masquerading as a state. That’s just not going to work anymore. But it remains to be seen whether anything will work in any quarter of this big old country.
     One interes
ting thing is shaping up: a beard-growing contest between Paul Krugman and Ben Bernanke to see who can end up looking most like Rutherford B. Hayes.

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James Howard Kunstler is the author of many books including (non-fiction) The Geography of Nowhere, The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, Home from Nowhere, The Long Emergency and the four-book series of World Made By Hand novels, set in a post economic crash American future. His most recent book is Living in the Long Emergency; Global Crisis, the Failure of the Futurists, and the Early Adapters Who Are Showing Us the Way Forward. Jim lives on a homestead in Washington County, New. York, where he tends his garden and communes with his chickens.

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  1. crisismode November 12, 2012 at 9:22 am #

    The “Fiscal Cliff” will not happen.
    There will be a “partial compromise” and the can will be kicked 6 months down the road yet one more time.
    Bet on it.

  2. Hammering Truth November 12, 2012 at 9:26 am #

    No change. Things will continue to get worse as long as we accept the 2 party system: http://youtu.be/GVzG-emFmqM

  3. kulturcritic* November 12, 2012 at 9:29 am #

    Well James, now that the matinee has ended, we all need to “tend our gardens.” Enjoy – http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/tend-your-garden/

  4. sevenmmm November 12, 2012 at 9:33 am #

    Hey! Hayes had a nice-looking beard!

  5. John T Anderson November 12, 2012 at 9:34 am #

    Jim: It’s interesting that Mitt Romney lives in Belmont, Massachusetts, where Robert Welch maintained both his home and the headquarters of the John Birch Society, which is now in Appleton, Wisconsin, birthplace of Joseph McCarthy. And do you remember “The Junior Mint” episode of Seinfeld?

  6. COMOB November 12, 2012 at 9:38 am #

    Dear Mr. Kunstler,
    I am writing to confess that I do take some joy in reading your writings (despite the dour subject matter).
    The reason for this posting is that I found your line:
    “The transition being so abrupt, their cracker culture of xenophobia, “primitive” religion, and romance with violence came through intact.”
    especially piquant – bravo!
    Signed,
    A Fan who still buys physical books (including yours)

  7. Neon Vincent November 12, 2012 at 9:41 am #

    Yesterday, I told someone I knew who went to Camp Mascoma when you were a councilor that your dyspeptic rant today would be epic. You lived up to my expectations in that regard. Great history lesson about the John Birch Society. Did you know that Fred Koch, the father of the Koch Brothers, was one of its founders? Plus le change, and all that.
    I also blogged about the coming crackup in the GOP over at Crazy Eddie’s Motie News. Pizza Man Herman Cain is calling for a third party for conservatives. Another one? There are already three minor parties for conservatives with ballot access in many states, the Libertarians, the Reform Party, and the Constitution Party, who are as openly a bunch of corn pone fascists as one can get in the U.S. All he has to do is take one of those organizations over. I suggest the Reform Party. They were founded by a rich eccentric egomaniac and they’ve already been used by another ambitious conservative who lost his home in the GOP. They should be used to it by now.
    I also blogged about how another Tea Partier, Troy Michigan’s Janice Daniels got turned out of office. The last straw was that she was photographed removing pro-recall signs. I hope she recycled them, as there was a recycling program in her own city. Now it’s her political career that’s on its way to the landfill!
    As for the rest of my blogging last week, I have a lot of local election coverage, a Veterans Day tribute, space news, a cheer for Elizabeth Warren, a final shot at Willard the Rat’s time at Bain Capital, and, if one goes back to the second page of the blog, a debate by proxy between the major party campaigns over science and energy. It’s been a busy week!
    Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit!
    http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

  8. rhbrandon November 12, 2012 at 9:42 am #

    The Mitchell Trio’s “John Birch Society” is another great song lampooning the Birchers. Works well today:
    “Join the John Birch Society holding off the Reds.
    We’ll use our hand and hearts and if we must we’ll use our heads…”
    “Join the John Birch Society, help us fill the ranks.
    To get this movement started we need lots of tools and cranks…”
    “Oh, we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society,
    Fighting for the right to fight the right fight for the Right,
    Join the John Birch Society as we’re marching on,
    And we’ll all be glad to see you when we’re meeting in the John… The John… the John Birch So- ci- i- teee.”

  9. Micheal Skinner November 12, 2012 at 9:43 am #

    Thanks for another good blog post. I’ve been reading your blog for a few months now and I appreciate you releasing it early every Monday morning so I (in the UK) don’t have to wait until the next day to read it. Are you going to put out any podcasts again? I hope your hip is recovering ok.

  10. insufferable November 12, 2012 at 9:51 am #

    Yes its definitely evident that the Republican hypocritical party got what it deserved. Any government that states freedom and equality and then has the misguided notion that the Patriot Act conceived to “protect us from the enemy” has to go a long way to prove that they are not the real enemy. Bush family recent political leanings has spotlighted the false nature of their real plan to destroy the freedoms of this country with their inept disgusting hypocracy. Obama in theory has not helped bring about freedom yet by repealing the Patriot Act. So I don’t see a Messiah in the near future.

  11. asoka.. November 12, 2012 at 9:52 am #

    Best column yet!
    Thank you, JHK!
    Elizabeth Warren 2016
    Asoka..

  12. old nurse November 12, 2012 at 9:52 am #

    Jim, you must not have come to Durham, NC. If you had, you wouldn’t have made the comment you did about NC. It is a interesting, extraordinarily culturally diverse, progressive town with lots of people doing exactly what you say is necessary to survive the coming times. We have two great co-housing communities developing in the area, Durham Central Park co-housing and Elderberry co-housing in Rougemont. Check us out and then you might want to modify your comment about NC just a bit!

  13. Dirk November 12, 2012 at 9:53 am #

    I tend to agree with you Crisismode. Can kicking seems to make everybody feel better; kind of like throwing a coat of white latex over rusted metal, it covers it up for a little while, but the rust just keeps poking through. Rather than deal with a meaningful repair, another coat off wwhite latex is used to hide the mess and the ‘markets’ all go: Phew! We’re saved! But Jim Kunstler reminds us that there is really only a one party system in the land and it always wins; that’s the Reality Party. There MUST and WILL BE a correction to reflect the actual level of activity the available resources and wealth can support. All the can kicking and Benny Bucks printing in the world cannot prevent it for much longer.

  14. Moondog November 12, 2012 at 10:00 am #

    Small pockets of progressivism make life bearable here in rural North Carolina. Driving to Elon to hear Jim speak last month was a worthwhile pilgrimage, and speaking to him before the lecture was a joy.
    I hope your hip is improving, and I am grateful for your Monday morning rants. If i said what you did about the old-timey Southerners down heah, I could get killed. The most conservative Democratic Congressman in the country, the bluest of the Blue Dogs, was unseated by a far right wing Republican, and of course, Obama lost both Stanly County and the state.

  15. CaptSpaulding November 12, 2012 at 10:02 am #

    It was scarey though, we almost had a cultist for a president. I remember seeing a sign on the wall of the school on Southpark. It said,”Scientology, making Mormons look sane since 1953.”

  16. ozone November 12, 2012 at 10:11 am #

    Kunstler outlines it for youzes glorifying the krusty kracker kulture:
    “Toward the end of the 20th century, as the old northern states’ economies withered, and Yankee culture lost both footing and meaning, and poor white folks all over America looked with envy on the glitz of country music and Nascar, and gravitated toward the Dixieland culture of belligerent, aggressive suburbanization, religiosity, and militarism. This cartoon of the old timey ways swept the “flyover” precincts of the nation. Along in the baggage compartment was all the old John Birch Society cargo of quasi-supernatural ideology that appealed so deeply to people perplexed by the mystifying operations of reality.”
    This glorification of appalling ignorance, belligerence, militarism and nouveau riche, smug “crackerness”, (plus, a shocking belief in obvious fantasies) is what leaves a few of us cold and aloof to pleas for “understanding” and “re-education”.
    And you’re still puzzled as to why we might not want to help you shovel coal into the maw of the ‘Murkin’ Empire Machine? JHK just gave you a clue too large to be ignored.
    (And I ain’t sayin’ a lot of damn yankees shouldn’t get a good spanking too; after all, they’ve bought into the same cesspool of brilliant “ideas”, and are just as culpable for their spread.)

  17. steve November 12, 2012 at 10:14 am #

    I must be a masochist to continue reading this blog, being a born and bred Southerner. I tried living outside the South once and failed miserably. However, I do not plead to being poorly educated, suburban, white trash or a religious fanatic; even though I believe firmly in the absolute power of a creating God. Mr. Kuntsler’s contempt and detestation of the South is palpable and truly breathtaking. I can even see his pupils dilating at the very mention of this nether world. But how much credibility can one put in such blind prejudice. Are these kinds of stereotypes ever real and, in this society, we should know something about hatred and bias?
    Well, let’s see; if you cut off the South, what’s left – a sclerotic Northeast, wallowing adrift in its perceived superiority; a rusting and rapidly declining Midwest; a Southwest which is soon to be Hispanic in number and culture; a Pacific Northwest immersed in so much enlightenment that every urban sophisticate wants to live there and a Plains culture that’s already lost to agribusiness. Maybe Mr. K feels that he can continue to dump on the South because the only people left to socially stereotype are white Southerners. What kind of wisdom does that represent.
    I agree that the Republican Party will not survive its own internal contradictions; not to mention the changing demographics. So, what does a one party state look like – hmmm? We should perhaps be careful what we wish for – perhaps a hastening of an impossible welfare state with a warfare state that will not be reduced by the Democrats – for sure. If the rot continues, the Democrats may be sorry they got what they wished for as the fury will descend on the group in power and that is clearly not the Republicans.

  18. Goat1080 November 12, 2012 at 10:19 am #

    Kicking the can a little farther down the road has worked so far – however -there’s a little problem now with that – the road is ending!!!

  19. Liquid Lennny November 12, 2012 at 10:20 am #

    Asoka,
    You apparently saw the same thing as I during the Demo convention and Elizabeth’s senate run. All a precursor for her 2016 run for Prez. for sure.
    As if we could be so fortunate…
    Now all we have to do during the next four years is not totally implode the system. Then again, maybe we should, it really isn’t working as originally intended anyway.
    LL

  20. lsjogren November 12, 2012 at 10:23 am #

    The Republicans got a well-deserved ass whupping.
    The Democrats also richly deserve a good ass-whupping.
    It’s hard to know who to root for between Freddy Krueger and Hannibal Lecter.

  21. PRD November 12, 2012 at 10:24 am #

    Jim’s essay this morning on conservatives/Republicans makes a good companion to Chris Hedges’ on liberals/Democrats over at TruthDig.com!

  22. TrE November 12, 2012 at 10:26 am #

    Jim writes that, whether inflation or deflation awaits, either way we’re toast. Here’s hoping that what’s toast is not us but rather the lifestyle of entitlement to a lifestyle fueled by machines and processes that (as Jim has written before) “don’t require human attention.”
    As a young man, I was fortunate to live overseas for two years with almost nothing. I’ve now recreated that most fulfilling time of life by focusing on what Jim and other writers remind us to be most important. We can in fact prepare “for post-petroleum reality minus the fantasy that we can just live inside our smart phones” and “downscale and re-localize economic life”–at the individual level, well before it is done for us at the state and national ones.

  23. Ed November 12, 2012 at 10:27 am #

    You are being much too nice to Obama, James Kunstler. He doesn’t deserve it, even though the Republicans are remarkably turd-headed. And I can’t believe you sympathize with the view that he should be supported because of his race. We didn’t support George Wallace in 1968 because of his race, now did we? A president has to be about his policies and what is good for the country. Gad.

  24. TrE November 12, 2012 at 10:30 am #

    Steve, for what it’s worth, many of us Northerners like your music. Simple, straightforward human themes, easy-to-hum melodies, fun drinking songs about life, death, pain, and love lost.

  25. Desertrat November 12, 2012 at 10:30 am #

    “Along in the baggage compartment was all the old John Birch Society cargo of quasi-supernatural ideology that appealed so deeply to people perplexed by the mystifying operations of reality.”
    No different from the Great Society cargo, among liberals/leftists. Merely different arenas. “…mystifying operations of reality.” apply to education, jobs, fiscal/monetary matters.
    Romney was certainly no answer, but the failed administration of Obama can now continue with its corruption and further failings.
    Obama’s inherited many problems from the previous administration. Trouble is, he’s the previous administration.

  26. veronikaofcelje November 12, 2012 at 10:30 am #

    I dont know about kicking the can down the road much longer if jobs are still being outsourced and prices going up.I was at the Dollarama the other day and people were walking out because of the bump in prices They would rather use their coupons and get the deal at their regular stores But I predict as goods get more expensive and sporadic this extreme couponing will peak so Im at it while I can.
    All our beef comes from Alberta and its tainted so all on offer is pork and chicken Everything you need and even dont want comes from somewhere else
    and there is no real work that produces here in Toronto or very little.We are losing a long time cookie factory to condos.So many same small people being forced out to make room for rich members of the ndp party in their condos
    But I place my faith in the resilence of the very poor people who are out recycling,salvaging metals and gardening in buckets and in small spaces they have already tuned out the politicians of all the parties and working on survival We have heard too many lies to every give them any credence.I come from the cracker stock of the Florida panhandle transplanted to Canada Not all of us are idiots it was your website that led me to read about peak oil .We need to get our lifestyles back to about the 1930’s but even that wont be enough I fear to prevent the awful crash waiting down the road and we are so entertainment sodden will we know we’ve been hit Keep writing I look forward to Mondays

  27. ront November 12, 2012 at 10:34 am #

    “The gross interventions and arrant accounting fraud that pervade global finance, both in government and in private banking, can only lead to perversity and dysfunction in the operations of money that we depend on to remain civilized.”
    Why do you think this, James? Anyone else is free to answer as well if you agree. Doesn’t the operations of money also keep us feeling as strangers and at odds with one another? Within the workings of a caring family, the keeping of accounts of who has how much and paying each other for services rendered is an anathema.
    As we eventually come together in cooperation, harmony and brotherhood, we will naturally create new ways, even more civilized means for interacting in our work and play. Like capitalism, money will also come to have seen its day.

  28. ozone November 12, 2012 at 10:44 am #

    “So, what does a one party state look like – hmmm?” -Steve
    In the here and now FUSA? In general, that would be “The South”.
    ******************************
    “We should perhaps be careful what we wish for – perhaps a hastening of an impossible welfare state with a warfare state that will not be reduced by the Democrats – for sure.” -Steve
    And just what do you think we already have, courtesy of the MIC, ensconced in every state in the nation; the real “job-creators” and “economy-boosters”? (And, admitted or not, religiously embraced in the south’s genuflection and adoration of the military. Just a coincidence that’s where most training bases reside?)
    Meanwhile, I’m always extremely careful of what I wish for; thus, not wishing for much a’tall, especially regarding anything that issues from an entrenched political party’s megaphone. (Same for you, I would wager.)

  29. Rick November 12, 2012 at 10:49 am #

    Good post Jim.
    I totally agree with this: “Meaning, of course, that there are still a lot of dangerous morons out there…”
    That’s the root cause of America’s problems, too many morons.

  30. Belisarius November 12, 2012 at 10:50 am #

    I suspect that the deserved demise of the Repugnicans will be delayed by Demoncat dysfunction yet again. If I’m wrong, they could be replaced by the Libertards, (who are also funded by Brothers Koch), after their leadership is quietly purged of remaining anti-corp-rats.
    On another level, what we saw was a scripted drama of the politics of fear. Thus any real opposition is driven by their own triggered fears into one of the supposedly opposing camps of the major parties. The winner was chosen by the puppet master and each puppet was tasked with scaring his target demographic into voting for the other. Rmoney was scripted to lose, so he played the scarier role; saving the expense of musical chairs and some initial bribes for the banksters.

  31. Smokyjoe November 12, 2012 at 10:59 am #

    JHK pretty much nails the South, culturally. That said, his rubber-chicken-talk-circuit perspective oversimplifies the economic picture. He’s too blinded by his hatreds of suburbia and the automobile.
    A modest recover is going on here in Dixieland. But it is small, fragile, and likely to collapse when energy prices again resume their inevitable march skyward. For the moment, however, things look better and regular gas here is at $3.29 / gallon. A closer look than what JHK took would show the taped-together nature of state budgets, the highway net, electrical grids, and other critical infrastructure.
    As for Conservatism? I do miss William F. Buckley and his generation of thinkers. At least one could have an intellectual debate with such folk. They did not for a moment believe the Earth to be 6000 years old or that higher spending AND tax cuts could lead to anything except disaster.

  32. peakhaiku November 12, 2012 at 11:07 am #

    the clusterfuck rocks
    there’s so much to rant about
    with four more tubesocks

  33. Whomeesa November 12, 2012 at 11:14 am #

    I don’t think we “go local” again without all of the wonderful police state accoutrements we have accumulated thus far. Not only will government be big, but it will be in your face 24/7/365. I see a commissar in my future. Alot of people praying never bothered me, and 2 million gun controllers/confiscators is not a convincing plurality. I think Mitt Romney was a shill candidate to bolster the current mythology being perpetrated as to who’s who and what’s what. Conservatism is only an “old timey” throwback in the cartoon characterizations of people who are too afraid of what it really means, which is “carry your own load, mine is heavy enough”, among other things.

  34. J Lee November 12, 2012 at 11:19 am #

    When Bob Dylan gets used as a modern day philosopher and poet you just know things have degenerated. And that is our fundamental problem. No more Plato, Aristotle, Spinoza or Kant, and no more Moliere, Shelly, Wordsworth or Joyce, let alone a mention of that good ol’boy Willy S!

  35. RyeBeachBum November 12, 2012 at 11:29 am #

    Obama won with 6 million less votes than in 08, he has lost his mandate and is now a caretaker President but looking forward the energy crises will hit hard and crash the economy. The Alinskyites can try to claim it is Bush’s fault in 4 years when Moochell is running but it is going to be pretty hard a case to make.
    If the economy collapses in the second term, as it may for reasons that Jim has espoused for many years, then just like Carter brought Reagan, Obama may very well bring on President Santorum.

  36. ssgconway November 12, 2012 at 11:30 am #

    I quit calling myself a ‘Republican’ after I watched Bush ’43’s 2002 SOTU address, as it was clear that 9/11 would be an excuse for an unjust war. While Mr. K has some good things to say, his over-the-top, unbalanced comments cannot add value to any civilized discussion about our future as a nation (if we have one). The Nascar-bashing and generalized hatred of Christian evangelical/fundamentalists is pathetic, especially from someone who occasionally frets about pogroms. The GOP should join the Whig Party in the ash-heap, no doubt; the analysis of the history of the John Birch Society was informative; however, to assert that no one of ‘good will or intelligence remains in that camp is silly.
    I also take Mr. K to task for glossing over the grave idiocies of the Democratic party. Hillary, Biden, Kerry, et al, voted for the wars, and Obama launched new ones in Yemen, Syria and Libya – the latter now out of control as God-knows-who is really in charge (if anyone really is) and American blood has been spilled. The Petraeus affair also leaves hard questions unasked about how compromised our top spy was, and for how long before the last ballot was counted was this known.
    Both parties are controlled by oligarchs, and the activists, loyalists and assorted small-fry are suckers working against their own best interests.
    Instead of vilifying the theology (as opposed to the ideology masquerading as sacred doctrine, whose propagators ought to fear both God and man), one might attempt to stick to trying to reason with those who can be reasoned with, and to criticizing actions and outcomes, as opposed to ad hominem attacks. However, that would be to go against the spirit of the age, which recommends fanaticism, even to those so quick to criticize it in others. For that reason, I’ve made my last visit here.

  37. mCubed3 November 12, 2012 at 11:31 am #

    I have never, ever posted a comment on any board that I peruse–until now.
    First, I wish to say to JK–I read your column each and every Monday morning without fail–and have read your books as well–I recommend you to pretty much anyone who’ll listen.
    Now for what coaxed me to comment–
    Old Nurse-I don’t know if you are “from” NC, but you sound like it. I’ve dipped in and out of “The South” for half as many years as I’ve been on this earth–I’ve lived in the Northeast, Northwest, Midwest and Hawai’i–and what JHK says about the South is absolutely the truth.
    What shocks me is that no one here (I live in Rougemont, btw) will ever take responsibility for how they are collectively perceived. It’s ALWAYS everyone else’s fault for not seeing the wonderfulness that is the misunderstood South.
    I work at one of the “Big 2”–and I’ve actually been stopped by patients and employees alike for “not wearing the right color of blue”. I really love the glaze over when I open my mouth and speak with the “she aiyunt frum heah” non-accent. If you’re not a football, NASCAR, or WalMart fanatic–forget it–no one can hear you.
    I’m still giggling over how many times in the 5 years I’ve been here that I have heard “The War of Northern Aggression”…and, of course, the standard “trackter pull” and tailgating that goes on each and every weekend (shooting squirrel off yer deck is a bonus at the bbq).
    “Culturally diverse”? There isn’t a museum or decent library within 50 miles of here. Even when I attempt to find anything online at the library–forget anything that smacks of liberalism, or, well, reality for that matter. Those tiny pockets of “culture”–if you mean Carrboro, Hillsborough or Chapel Hill–you mean northern transplants and old money families (like the Edwards’?) who know how to keep their politics to themselves.
    I don’t find JHK’s assessment of southerners to be off mark–not whatsoever–but what I would say is that (being from PA originally)–there are a whole lot of “morons” and ignoramuses (ignoramusi?) in the remainder of the country. I just met a guy from Nebraska who finds Durham to be “too liberal” and waaaay too progressive. Go figure.

  38. GAZ November 12, 2012 at 11:32 am #

    So the GOP is history….okay.
    Since the Democrats won the once every four year dog and pony show, they have the honor of driving a beat up junker with a fancy paint job and no gas in the tank over a cliff.
    After which they will also be history.
    Which leaves us where?
    Democracy…..a suggestion box for slaves.

  39. SeaYoung November 12, 2012 at 11:32 am #

    So, when Yankee culture lost both footing and meaning, they turned to the “ignorant” South for both? Doesn’t say much for Yankee culture, does it?

  40. horseoutside November 12, 2012 at 11:47 am #

    Sociopaths and child molesters have long held sway in America, but hopefully a lengthy treatment plan of cannabis and psilocybin mushrooms will help them adjust to the new reality.

  41. Common Cents November 12, 2012 at 11:48 am #

    I very devisive post today, Jim. A post-election “look in the mirror” is absolutely in order, however. The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of idiots such as those who made him their president.

  42. VyseLegend November 12, 2012 at 11:56 am #

    James, its not that the Republican party is dying, but that the Democrat and Republican parties have now successfully merged to the point that it literally ‘doesn’t matter’ who runs the show. We are just careening ever further into the ditch of military and economic defeat as a hollowed-out faux-free nation who’s veneer is wearing thin.

  43. azgog November 12, 2012 at 11:57 am #

    Well if we continue to have a 2 major party system and the Republican Party has terminally self-destructed then its time to construct a new alternative to the Democrats. Perhaps a coalition of the 3rd party independents with a layer of Occupy, Green and Latino Power. One not afraid to talk about climate change, demilitarization and peak oil strategies. One that can challenge Obama to prosecute financial crimes while taxing offshored Corporate profits and fugitive 1% bank accounts.
    Imagine an opposition that pushed the status quo toward greater engagement with vital issues instead of the crackpot, head in the sand, plutocratic policies of the Party of No.

  44. Cavepainter November 12, 2012 at 12:01 pm #

    Hey wait JHK, you’re overlooking the most seminal belief at large in America. You know, the one that was the foundation of all the political campaign platitudes about imminent “recovery” – back on the track to fulfill that national anticipation of a Jetson future. Are you ready? Its American exceptionalism!
    How could you make such an oversight? No bounds to the inevitable Jetson age. All that’s been obstructing our path this far is being too white (caucasion) and too European as a nation. Fortunately our exceptionalism will enable us to absorb unrestricted immigration as salvation.
    Not to worry.

  45. ffkling November 12, 2012 at 12:14 pm #

    With the passage of time, Carter is viewed as a far superior president to Reagan. Carter was an honest and decent president, although it’s his honesty that ruined his re-election chances. He treated the American public as adults by warning the nation to reduce its dependence on fossil fuels. Thanks to Carter’s energy independence policies, the US significantly reduced its reliance on foreign oil. Tough economic policies were enacted to starve inflation whose benefits became apparent apparent just in time for Reagan including the collapse of OPECs stranglehold due to Carter’s energy policies.
    Reagan’s first presidential act was to remove the solar panels installed on the White House roof by Carter. The rationale was that energy conservation is a moral virtue that has no place in government. What did we get from Reaganomics? Voodoo and Trickle down economics, greed is good, and the beginning of the end.

  46. bproman November 12, 2012 at 12:39 pm #

    My robot is laughing. Must be the programming.

  47. old nurse November 12, 2012 at 12:40 pm #

    Old nurse is from NJ, arriving in Durham 30 years ago via Philadelphia. I worked at and went to graduate school at both of the Big 2s. I don’t think there is any “absolutely the truth” about anyone’s opinions about anything, including NC. They are points of view, y’all.

  48. Desert Dawg November 12, 2012 at 12:47 pm #

    Well, let’s see, as far as your Bircher comments and regarding McCarthy, um, he was RIGHT! Commies were all over Hollywood and congress then, just like now. The Jim Crow South were Democrats, NOT Republican. “Heady” LBJ struck down civil rights proposed by Eisenhower when he was the head of the Senate. Dem Robert Byrd was head of the KKK. If you look at Facts, not bullshit, re-written progressive history, you would see that all the racist candidates were Dems. As far as your love of people living like rats in inner cities…just look at Hurricane Sandy’s effect…No where to go and people and junk on top of each other. Also, how’s that mass transit doing? Just because you are well spoken, written and attended an Ivy league school, does not mean you’re intelligently superior because your lack of admitting to factual historical truth is pathetic. Didn’t read you back when Katrina happened, but I’m sure you were hammering Bush, yet nothing about Obama doing jack shit for NY and NJ. Where’s your outcry about the Benghazi scandal? I do enjoy when you simply write about how messed up the economy is, but your old hippie, biased ass just can’t seem to muster up the FACTS that both left and right are to blame and PROGRESSIVISM from either side is the cause. You cry about business giving money, but nothing about union influence. Read real history Jim and for God-sake…PLEASE BE FUCKING INTELLECTUALLY HONEST FOR ONCE! JEEZ!

  49. third_martini_banter November 12, 2012 at 12:49 pm #

    Must reading, apropos of this column and the results of the latest election:
    http://www.amazon.com/Better-Off-Without-Manifesto-Secession/dp/1451616651
    http://www.salon.com/2012/08/12/should_the_south_secede/

  50. ctemple November 12, 2012 at 12:54 pm #

    I haven’t read this blog for many months, until a couple of weeks ago, and after today I can see why.
    Cracker, white trash?
    Did Jim call all those crooked bankers hebes, I don’t recall that.

  51. Steve D November 12, 2012 at 12:54 pm #

    White House must read Jim on Monday mornings. Then order the media to react accordingly. US to become world’s largest oil producer before 2020, IEA says. Los Angeles Times – ?13 minutes ago. The U.S. will become the world’s top producer of oil within five years, a net exporter of the fuel around . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

  52. Desperado November 12, 2012 at 12:59 pm #

    The Rethuglican Fascist Fucktards at Faux Fox ‘News’ really lit their hair on fire this season and in classic reptilian reactionary rage, tried to put the flames out with a Hammer.
    hahahahaha
    Rove, aka ‘Turd Blossom’, as Bushit the Dumber nicknamed him looked like he’d had a red hot wire bush colonic when the Faux-Fox number cruncher spilled the beans to him!
    Wall Street won the election.
    The whole sale dismantling of America, Inc will continue unabated and prosecuted and pick up steam on the Thievery Scale.
    Duh-mericans are stupider than sticks.
    hahahahahaha
    The Demo-lition-crats and the Rethugs are a cheesy reality TV sitcom.
    Different Cheeks, same Ass.
    U.S.A number One!, you blew another election out it out your butthole
    Mission Accomplished
    hahahahaha

  53. third_martini_banter November 12, 2012 at 1:00 pm #

    Here’s the intro to Chuck Thompson’s “Better Off Without ‘Em”:
    Divided We Stand (Sort Of)
    Hang out in my living room on any national election night and at some point in the evening, usually around 7 p.m. Pacific time, you’re almost certain to hear me scream something like: ?Why in the hell does the United States? and by extension the entire free world, capitalist dominion, and all of Christendom? allow its government to be held hostage by a coalition of bought-and-paid-for political swamp scum from the most uneducated, morbidly obese, racist, morally indigent, xenophobic, socially stunted, and generally ass-backwards part of the country??
    Catch me after some earnest academic with Cambridge and Ivy credentials has to appear on NPR to defend evolution against the latest onslaught on public education from Book of Dipshits creationists, and you’ll likely bear witness to a Thompson rage-gasm along the lines of: “What in Christ’s name happened to that confederation of Mason-Dixon mouth breathers that got them so intimidated by science and facts and book larnin’ that they can’t even walk past a library or look through a microscope without quoting Habakkuk and Deuteronomy to each other until the threat of intellectual enlightenment goes away??

    Stop by when a brain-dead zealot is yammering her way through a hypocrisy-laden justification for simultaneously being pro-life and pro-death penalty while some mewling cipher of a FOX ‘News’ ‘reporter’ bobs his head in vacant acquiescence and … well, you already know how the rest of this Stars and Bars tangent goes. And you already know how it goes because (a) You’ve said or felt pretty much the same things yourself about the slave states at some point or (b) you’re from the South, have people there, or otherwise possess a degree of affection for the region such that you’re sick and tired of its honor being traduced and its culture blamed for every American malady by hillbilly-bashing, know-it-all knob polishers such as myself (however impressively informed and well intentioned we might be). You already know most of the other backwoods-bumpkin insults that I could layer into this opening salvo because if there’s one thought that at one time or another has connected American minds from Seattle to Savannah it is this: It’s too bad we didn’t just let the South secede when we had the chance.
    A short time ago, I began scribbling down notes for a book with the working title “The Divided States of America.” I’d gotten the idea from a brilliant website of regional/ tribal drumbeating that lays out the case for something called the Republic of Cascadia. The site is the brainchild of a guy named Lyle Zapato, a mystery man who refuses to be interviewed by anyone other than Daljit Dhaliwal, the semi-hot, bob-haired London-born Punjabi Sikh former host of PBS’s Worldfocus. Zapato?s Republic of Cascadia is an imaginary place that combines the “former” American states of Oregon and Washington and the “former” Canadian province of British Columbia into a sovereign nation consisting of 330,411 square miles and fifteen million inhabitants generating an annual GDP of $ 515 billion.
    Rather than being tied to the vagaries of a federal government with an agenda that, beyond national defense, rarely lines up with local needs, the more or less like-minded residents of Cascadia live in a paradise of mist-shrouded mountains and mossy forests; a utopia of organic composting and innovative light-rail transportation where all the cows are grass-fed, all the chickens roam free, many of the herbs are smokable, plastic bags are outlawed, citizens mail their post-consumer-waste commitment-ceremony announcements with Cascadian Postal Authority stamps honoring such cultural touchstones as proper kayaking protocol, and nonobese children salute a flag emblazoned with a pinecone resting on a field of tolerant rainbow colors. The philosophical underpinning of Cascadia is simple: shared values, cultural norms, and manageable geography – not the chance tentacles of history and insatiable federal bureaucracy – are what unite, or at least what should unite, a given population. Cascadia works in the imagination because to a large degree it already exists in real life. That imaginary beer you were drinking during my BCS football meltdown? An “uncompromised, unfiltered” golden wheat Widmer Hefeweizen brewed, bottled, and sucked down like teat milk every day by the masses in Portland, Oregon. Better still, the concept is eminently transferable. With Cascadia as inspiration, I began imagining the U.S. map carved into similarly cohesive cultural blocs: Heartlandia, for example, would stretch from the area east of the Rockies in Montana, Wyoming, and Colorado across the breadbasket to the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains. Mormonia would claim all of Utah and adjacent parts of Idaho and Nevada. Biblestan would cut a massive swath across the lower half of the existing United States, but also include noncontiguous pockets of Heartlandia, claiming dominion over chunks of Missouri, Kansas, and the rural Southwest (which, if you don’t know, is a lot more Bible-thumpy than all the adobe and golf courses lead you to imagine).
    The Northeast would be rechristened Greater Soxany. Like Singapore and the Vatican, New York and Los Angeles would be conferred city-state status. Mexifornia would stay Mexifornia. Tracing new national boundaries out of obsolete American states got me excited about writing a bestselling travel book from the point of view of a first-time visitor to each of these culturally united lands.
    As I shifted my attention from the map and started compiling imaginary atlas statistics, however, the broader limitations of my redistricting project quickly became apparent. With its national seal bearing the image of a man in overalls pointing toward an endless horizon of corn syrup and thank-you notes for ‘nice visits’ with aging relatives, Heartlandia possessed an undeniable appeal. But was life there really all that different from the day-to-day grind in Biblestan or Mormonia? Sure, the people of Greater Soxany and the Federated Boroughs of New York had their differences, but one loudmouth is pretty much like any other, and hipsters get just as uppity about recycling in Burlington as they do in Brooklyn. And when you got into the nitty-gritty details of pinecone politics, Cascadia felt an awful lot like old Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont, right down to the organic spunk of damp wool, flax brownies, and $1,200 Restoration Hardware couches covered in dog hair at the well-attended neighborhood association meetings.
    Anyone wanting to blow holes in my gerrymandering could see as plain as prairie that half a century of Interstate travel, mass media, and nacho cheese flavoring had done its grim work. Every region of the country has its own natural splendors and personality ticks, but aside from a few wacky religious differences and all that goddamn salad dressing they insist on drowning their iceberg lettuce with in the Midwest, I realized that life in These Homogenized States wasn’t all that dissimilar from sea to warming sea. With one exception: The South. The Confederacy. The Rebel states. The land of pickled pig knuckles, prison farms, coon-hunting conservatives, NASCAR tailgaters, prayer warriors, and guys who build million-dollar careers out of bass fishing. The more I looked at my map and considered each “new” republic, the more the South stood out as the only truly exotic region left in America, the only nation within a nation, the only place separated from the rest by its own impenetrable morality, worldview, politics, religion, personality, and even language.

  54. ExtraO November 12, 2012 at 1:02 pm #

    WTF with this shilling for Obama over the last couple of columns? It was nearly unbelievable how you lost all sense of direction and surrendered yourself to the patently obvious marketing of this puke four years ago, and called on readers to support him. Then you belatedly -after nearly three years!- finally started to voice with increasing frequency your open dissatisfaction with his total hypocrisy and double dealing. It looked like maybe the OD of soma was starting to wear off and all of that bluster you normally vent at the hopeless wreck of American society would clear your head. But apparently not.
    Are Romney and Co. clueless? Of course they are.
    Would things be even worse under him? Absolutely!
    Are either of those separately or together any reason to drift into apologias for President Slimeball? Or even worse, vote for him?? No way!
    This column is called ClusterFUCK Nation. WAKE UP, get a grip, and get back with the program, because you are drifiting.

  55. Grouchy Old Girl November 12, 2012 at 1:02 pm #

    Speaking from Canada, it was with great relief to see all of you ‘muricans hold your noses and vote for Obama. It was the right thing to do.
    I don’t know much about the real South in the US, only what I see on tv really. But as another commenter has said, the white trash people, the crackers, are everywhere, not just in the South. God knows we have plenty of them around here in Ontario, and if you go west to Alberta in particular, the place is full of them. They all think they’re cowboys from Texas because they have oil and cattle, and do their best to emulate their imagined version of Southern culture. Just replace blacks with aboriginals and you’ve even got the race hatred too.
    Of course not everyone out west in Canada is a pretend cowboy, but the overal tone of Alberta certainly celebrates that whole Southern mentality. Where Southerners hate the North, many of our Westerners hate Central Canada where the money and power has rested through most of our history. Albera invented the Reform Party, the most conservative and socially regressive bunch around. They took over the old time Progressive Conservative party, re-named it simply the Conservative party, and are hanging on to power with Stephen Harper in charge. He’s a Reformer, which means evangelical Christian, anti abortion, anti women, anti science just to start. Very big on the military, tar sands development, selling off our resources like it’s the 1800s all over again, love spying on citizens.
    Many of us hope it’s just a phase we’re going through and sanity will eventually prevail.

  56. anti soak November 12, 2012 at 1:05 pm #

    So I turn on HNPR [heeb national public radio] and
    our dear Leader is quoting Bruce Springsteen.,
    ‘We take care of our own’.
    Indeed. The dems will help future dems!
    Obama administration held dozens of meetings on food stamps with …
    http://www.foxnews.com/…/vilvilsack-reacts-to-republican-concerns-about...
    Oct 1, 2012 – The Obama administration met with Mexican officials and held other events to discuss enrollment in food stamps and similar programs roughly …
    Obama USDA met 30 times with Mexican gov’t to promote food …
    dailycaller.com/…/obama-usda-met-30-times-with-mexican-govt-to-p…
    Obama USDA met 30 times with Mexican gov’t to promote food-stamp use among Mexican immigrants.
    …………………………………………..
    Thanks for yr riff on the JBS.
    As Mao and Stalin were killing 80 MILLION, at least one group warned people about what was happening.

  57. anti soak November 12, 2012 at 1:14 pm #

    ‘Robert Welch, tormented by conspiracy fantasies’
    I would drop the last word of those 6 Jim.
    What the JBS said was believable.
    Jim, have you read any of JBS books?
    If I recall their food chain was > the Euro $ > Colonel House > Alger Hiss> League of Nations > VOILA… The UN > CFR.
    One World Government.
    ‘conspiracy fantasies’….like Agenda 21?!
    It is not a ‘fantasy’.

  58. Radu Voda November 12, 2012 at 1:44 pm #

    John Birch knew about the Banking scam decades before any Liberal could even dream of such a thing. For this unforgiveable crime, they were mocked by “authorities” like the N.Y Times and National Public Radio. And they bent over backwards not to mention the Jewish connection to Communism and Banking. Did they get any credit for this? No, they’re just Nazis according to our leading Semites.
    The moral: When you attack the 1% you are attacking the Jews – and you will be dealt with by them.

  59. helen highwater November 12, 2012 at 1:47 pm #

    Even though Obama won the presidency, there were still nearly 58 million people who voted for Romney.

  60. Radu Voda November 12, 2012 at 1:47 pm #

    Why was it the right thing to do? Are you saying that Blacks are innately superior to Whites? And that’s not a racist belief?
    These people are beyond belief. Whatever happened to the “contents of your character”? Not that King really believed that of course but one would have thought that clueless Liberals did…

  61. willow November 12, 2012 at 1:49 pm #

    I must disagree with the Kunstlermeister on one point: the South is only unbearable for 1/3 of the year.. . .
    otherwise, brilliant.
    _____________________
    for those still struggling with schemes re possible survival after a fall off the Lemming fiscal cliff, here’s a tip: forget drip irrigation systems with their pansy-ass little emitter nipples that get clogged up constantly esp. with roof collected rainwater, and use a trash can, bucket, or other random piece of detritus that has a leak in the bottom–fill it with water & place in the middle of circular garden space instead.

  62. Belisarius November 12, 2012 at 1:49 pm #

    “I subscribe to the sentiment that it was a good thing for the nation to re-elect a leader of mixed-race, to show that we mean it about who is allowed to succeed here.”
    Perhaps being the son of a covert CIA mother and his above top secret “schooling” had lots more to do with Obama’s being allowed to suckseed than his race?

  63. MrFreeze November 12, 2012 at 2:03 pm #

    A side-note: I grew up in UT (non-mormon) during the 1970’s & 80’s. The Mormons LOVE the John Birch movement. There was JB literature seemingly everywhere. I grew up thinking that being Mormon meant one was automatically in the JB club.
    I think it’s pretty clear what the connection between Romney, the Koch’s and all of those plutocrats is. The Kochs simply thought that they could purchase the White House and that all of us “serfs” were going to let it happen….

  64. Max November 12, 2012 at 2:24 pm #

    Thanks Jim, for bringing up the proud legacy of Bill Buckley who in my view, was the last of the “true” and intellectually honest conservatives and not like the pretenders who claim that title now.

  65. Bicycle Tourist November 12, 2012 at 2:29 pm #

    Jim, I’ve been sort of critical of your novels, even though my only qualification as critic is that I can read. But, you are the consumate essayist. Brilliant!

  66. Radu Voda November 12, 2012 at 2:31 pm #

    Gerber Baby going Brown. Has any Civilization in history imploded the way our’s has? The powers that be are competing as to who can give it away the fastest.
    http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/11/sign-of-the-times/#more-33408

  67. anti soak November 12, 2012 at 2:31 pm #

    And 100,000,000 ? eligible who did not vote.

  68. Mills November 12, 2012 at 2:33 pm #

    James, perhaps your analysis is too simplistic. The economic policies of Milton Friedman and the Chicago Boys that has spread wildfire around the globe is the root of the republican free market hysteria. Their policies were never fully implemented in the U.S. and they have been pursuing with vigor to get the public to sign on to their draconian policies since the 1970’s. The Koch brothers have tie ins to both the John Birch Society and to conservative think tanks like the Heritage Foundation and others to influence policy and Americans ideologies. The Fox News channel (entertainment posing as news) helps spread the propaganda to all the greedy who believe they have a right to take what they can and leave everyone else without. Theyve adopted the vile maxim of their elite masters. We will see this continue with the Obama presidency (status quo). The financial system or government will manufacture a crisis to get the public to accept austerity measures that will further boost the bottom line of corporations. We will continue to pollute our environment, wonder about the increase in troubling diseases, search for a “cure”, and drive until all the oil is gone and we can’t breathe. Ironically all this drives GDP up which makes the economy look like it is healthy, while we all perish.

  69. Radu Voda November 12, 2012 at 2:34 pm #

    Wrong. Buckley capitulated completely to the Neo Cons who are Globalists and advocates of American Empire. Real Conservatives are Nationalists and cleave to Washington’s admonition in his Farewell Address to avoid foreign entaglements. In other words, real conservatives were eclipsed many decades ago. Read Russell Kirk for more.

  70. lsjogren November 12, 2012 at 2:34 pm #

    So long as we’re bashing white trash, how about a little criticism of the predominately urban hicks known as “progressives”.
    They believe in cargo cult economics, and harbor delusions that we can power our nation with solar power.

  71. greyghost05 November 12, 2012 at 2:38 pm #

    Your rant sounds like a replay of the old online computer game ” SHATTERED UNION “. This game broke the US into competing sectors left to interact with eachother after the fall of our centeral government.
    Might yet happen.

  72. Brian Morrissey November 12, 2012 at 2:39 pm #

    Jim, shame on you. Obama is the ultimate bait and switch candidate, wolf-in-sheeps candidate, working hand in hand with the actual wolf Romney who stands outside the fence, calling, “hey, lookit me, I’m a wolf” completing Obama’s illusion. In your own words, the Liberal wish fulfillment fairy!
    At least with Romney the evidence of the fallacy of a “century of energy beneath our feet” would be readily apparent, not to mention the consequences of such a feckless pursuit. Instead of “WHERE ARE THE JOBS?” we could’ve shouted, “WHERE IS THE OIL?”
    Now we’re condemned to 4 more years of dealing with right wing prostrations that Peak Oil is only Obama’s socialist, green energy rackets.

  73. anti soak November 12, 2012 at 2:42 pm #

    I dont give a hoot about DNA.
    i found this somewhere and thought of you.
    It may be old news to you. Dont know how or if it relates to IQ in US Blacks.
    ‘‘They’ve done DNA studies on blacks regarding the degree of white admixture so it’s not some great secret.
    Blacks from the Southern slave states have the least amount of white DNA.
    They are the most African of all the AA groups in the US. The most mixed people come from places like California and NY, as well as French Louisiana, places where interracial relations were looser and people cared less.
    The mixing appears to have been voluntary rather than coerced. ‘

  74. anti soak November 12, 2012 at 2:44 pm #

    Bill had ‘the look’ and ‘the voice’.
    Are all politicians and TV hosts actors?
    Bill had a TV show?

  75. Jim Eberle November 12, 2012 at 2:45 pm #

    Jim.
    Please address today’s IEA statement that the US will overtake Saudi Arabia as the world’s biggest oil exporter by 2020.

  76. Jim Eberle November 12, 2012 at 2:47 pm #

    Jim.
    Please address today’s IEA announcement that the US will overtake Saudi Arabia and become the world’s largest oil exporter by 2020.

  77. anti soak November 12, 2012 at 2:47 pm #

    Its good business, they hope.
    Are Whites and Asian immigrants having many children?
    Once upon a time Aunt Jemima was Black!

  78. Radu Voda November 12, 2012 at 2:49 pm #

    The Democrats have an extraordinary grip on their members – much like a cult. It seemed that Jim had escaped but the stress of the election was too much and he fell back. And countless disgruntled ex-Republicans did the same. All of this guarantees business as usual for all of us.
    Obama filled his cabinet with Goldman Sachs people for God’s sake! And continued the foreign policies of Bush! How could any Liberal vote for him again? When you meet Democrats like this, ask them how could you? How could you? How could you?
    They have alot of soul searching to do. It was complete capitulation to group identity. Complete moral failure – a failure to live up to their deepest beliefs. Perhaps their secret (even to themselves) religious beliefs about Black superiority entered into the decison…. Grouchy is at least honest enough to come out and say it out loud – even though she can’t explain her feelings rationally.

  79. JL Eagan November 12, 2012 at 2:52 pm #

    And here we have another live demonstration of what a diet of Fox News and Glenn Beck does to people’s grasp of reality.
    As a reader comment following this particular installment from Kunstler, the irony is staggering. It’s as if somebody was lined up ahead of time to come in and provide a working demonstration of the day’s subject, like a class with a lecture/theory period followed by a couple hours of lab to show the stuff in action.
    Tragicomedy showtime.
    JLE

  80. anti soak November 12, 2012 at 2:54 pm #

    Welcome back!
    Most of the folks from a few years back no longer read or post.

  81. trippticket November 12, 2012 at 2:57 pm #

    “I don’t know if Mr. Obama can get this nation engaged in the great tasks that we have been avoiding for so long: purging corporate money from politics, preparing for post-petroleum reality minus the fantasy that we can just live inside our smart phones, and downscaling and re-localizing economic life.
    I can report, from dastardly Dixieland, that my growing herbal medicine company – the way of the future if ever 450% growth year-over-year demonstrates – has just cut major ties with the west coast and contracted for the majority of our dried bulk herb production from a beautiful herb farm just an hour away from us in the Blue Ridge Mountains of North Carolina.
    Not all is bad in Scots-Irish descendent land…

  82. Radu Voda November 12, 2012 at 2:58 pm #

    Yes, you almost never see a real Negro up North who isn’t an African Immigrant. But you do in the South, especially the rural South. And of course, the mulattoes are smarter because of the admixture of White genes. That’s why you should care – because it makes a big difference.
    Marcus Garvey, the pure blooded Negro proponent of Black American migration back to Africa once was in New York City and saw the office of the NAACP. He paid a courtesy call. His comment afterwards, “They were all White”. Very, very light skinned “Blacks” in other words. The ones with the highest IQ’s like W.B Dubois, a fine writer who looked like an Italian Nobleman. His hatred of Whites was pathological, like Jeremiah Wright’s. Mulattoes have to prove their stree cred to their darker bretheren you see.

  83. trippticket November 12, 2012 at 3:00 pm #

    “I spent a lot of time in Dixieland this fall. I can report that its era of hyper-prosperity is on the wane. The boom is pretty much over, except for some deceptive last twitchings over in Texas and in the Northern Virginia beltway counties where lobbyists spawn.”
    I can back this up with some first-hand observation: the freeway lights have been going out, and not being replaced, in Fulton County (Atlanta) for months now. Two weeks ago they were about 25% functional. When I drove home Thursday night from my farmers market, they were down to about 10%…
    God I love the dark.

  84. ASPO Article 1037 November 12, 2012 at 3:04 pm #

    For coming events, include look at “LIGNET” Nov 12 comments on Religion of Peace adherents stepping up use of kidnappings to further their agenda. DEBKAfile is another war propaganda site, but accurate often enough to give an idea of drift of events in the oilpatch.
    Unfortunate result of asymmetrical militancy against Israel and supporting parties results in eventual lumping the Muslim World into one big target. As the West is living in a dream: “The Good Life” and believes it will go on forever- so does Islam live in error as well. “Return To Mecca” by Avi Lipkin is a reality check for all hands. Grant’s “The Blood Of The Moon” is descriptive, specific primer for Islam’s mission in the Middle East.
    Muhammadanism believes it can continue efforts to destroy Israel and live… Many people of Islam are going over the heads of their Imams and carefully seeing full scope of O.T. prophetic writings, ignoring the cherry-picking of their minders. Many discover Jesus Christ is more than simply a “Prophet”. – The hour is late.
    ———–
    As for visions (or nightmare) of a Balkanized North America, IMPOSSIBLE with all due haste rebuild of dormant rail corridor matrix, seen on maps circa 1920-1940. The apolitical reason to rebuild the legacy railway matrix is, of course, concern with questionable ability to maintain viability of rubber tire economic methodology of manufacturing, distribution & consumption. If we have no worry of EMP or motor fuel supply levels, by all means maintain status quo Happy Motoring… Alfred E. Neumann, how do you stand, sir?
    Its later than we think; Conventional; Oilfield Depletion rate is simply too great to sustain growth without incremental rail capacity expansion. Whether US becomes world’s largest oil producer or not, we still shall use huge amounts more than we are able produce. Meaning: in the coming years we must re-orient domestic transport to a mix of modes capable of continuing to deliver the goods in a basket of worst-case scenarios. Strategic planners have a name for the bullet-proof mobility formula: Second Dimension Surface Transport Logistics Platform”.
    Railway electrification is not a panacea- we must have enough prime mover (motive power units) capable of operating in every service district even when the wires are down. Faraday cages protect against EMP.

  85. Radu Voda November 12, 2012 at 3:04 pm #

    That’s what Scrooge said. Marley howled in response crying, “Mankind was your business”.
    Mankind meant Englishmen of course, since both Marley and Scrooge were Whites. All ghosts are White and Scrooge was White with fear…

  86. Rhino November 12, 2012 at 3:07 pm #

    The irony of course is that is that Jews have found their best friends among cracker opinion leaders, the religious wackos, like John Hagee, Oral Roberts and Billy Graham.
    But nevermind. Attaching ethno-religious labels to folk you live cheek by jowl with is seldom useful. Makes people do bad things.
    But also gotta say this: once again we see that imbecilic ideology isn’t the sole province of the idiocracy of the “right” (southern based or otherwise) but pervades the thinking of the allegedly “enlightened”.
    Not all of us write books. Our wisdom doesn’t come from such a deep well. So someone, please, help us, inadequately indoctrinated, the intellectually inferior, the smerdet: just what precisely is to be gained by calling a whole segment of the country “…southern suburban white trash religious fanatics…” and their “cracker culture” one of “… xenophobia, “primitive” religion, and romance with violence”.
    Even assuming it was true. Even assuming people outside this specially select, maligned group were any better educated, any more enlightened, any more data and evidence oriented, any less xenophobic, any less tolerant of difference and diversity. Especially difference and diversity of opinion and values.
    Have to tell you once again, I’ve been visiting the USA since Ike was putting his pants on one leg at a time and I don’t see much difference.
    And about this xenophobia shit, who is the Governor of South Carolina? Nikki Haley, born Nimrata Randhawa, daughter of Ajit and Raj and wife of Michael Haley. Who is the Governor of Louisiana? Piyush “Bobby” Jindal, son of Amar and Raj. Both brown skinned politicians in Confederate States. Not that we’re attaching labels.
    It’s one thing if this kind of rhetorical diarrhea is a one off. But it’s not. Crapping up the airways and cyberspace is de riguer nowadays. It’s not just right-wing nutjobs doing it. So let’s everybody just drop our pants and have at it.
    And if crude racial insults are the norm and if it’s open season on “white trash” then it’s open season on everybody. “Niggers” and “spics” included. Right? I mean, if it’s OK to call Caucasians “white trash” then it must be ok to call Black people “niggers”. Right? And Hispanics “spics”. Right?
    And for the sake of completeness let’s not forget Jews. Or rather “hebes”. I’ve lost track, what’s the current insult? Anyway, given the sorry-assed history of the last hundred years or so if I was a Jew I’d be worried. Because if a Jew can let loose on “white trash” then “white trash” can let loose on Jews. Anything goes. Right? And if the most educated country in Europe can do what it did in the 1940s then what about a country of supposed ignoramuses like the United States of America? Right? Especially if whipping up animosities is seen as the done thing. And there’s not a lot of friendliness towards Jews among the almighty “educated” elite in northern academies. Is there? And the people that run the show come from these academies. Right? Who defends Jews, I mean, besides really stupid conservative cracker Christian evangelicals?
    I think that people in a country with a history of civil war, racial animosities and a population with a wide range of origins should put a lid on the ethnic/religious/racial insults. No seriously. Hold the pieties and look at it from a purely practical perspective. Do you want a functioning body politic? Or not? If you do, shut the fuck up.

  87. Celt November 12, 2012 at 3:24 pm #

    Except we’ve been here already.
    Just eight years ago the Democrats went into the 2004 election confident of victory: Bush was selected, not elected; his foreign policy was a mess; Kerry had crushed him in the first debate; the polls were too close to call (which was bad for the incumbent); the exit polls pointed to a Kerry victory and…well, I could go on. I could even quote good old Karl Marx’s line about tragedy followed by farce.
    Afterwards victorious Republicans squawked about a permanent majority, red state birth rates outstripped blue states, liberalism was recognized for the lie it was, blah, blah, blah. Oh yes, remember the cartoon of the blue states having joined Canada leaving the red states behind as the Republic of Jesus Land? I’ve still got my copy.
    Tell you what, if in eight years’ from now the Dems control the presidency, both houses of Congress and have a majority of Supreme Court justices, I’ll consider the possibility the Republicans may be history. But not just because the Democrats have managed to get their guy reelected right after a two-term Republican presidency and while the Republicans still hold the House (after taking it just two years ago).
    Please, people. Can we get some perspective here?

  88. mCubed3 November 12, 2012 at 3:27 pm #

    Absolutely awesome. I haven’t laughed that hard in awhile. All I heard at work and in my neighborhood was that if O won–“thard be bluuuuuuud in the streets!” And of course, I actually heard the opposite at a Kangaroo by a couple of black guys.
    Can anyone confront one of these guys with logic about peak oil? climate change? Really? My neighbor told me flat out that a light dustin’ of Sevin on their food don’t hurt nobody. And Round Up is just like salt water, I’m told. Say “endocrine disruptor”–and watch the fade out in their eyes. “Oh. Yer one o them libruls, aincha”. No, actually–I can read and interpret an MSDS.
    These folks don’t WANT to know. That’s the point here. They hear what you’re saying–they just don’t give a shit. It’s always been done this way, and it’s always gonna BE done this way–like it or leave. Education is a scary thing.
    The whole problem that I think JHK is getting at–is that this place is ungovernable. Politicians pretty much have always been in it for themselves anyway, but I think even moreso now–so why try and pretend?
    The public is highly trained with that dog whistle of wedge issues–and we never disappoint.
    I know why JHK is so rabid on his criticism of the Southerners–where someone said “his pupils must dilate with the distaste and hatred” or something like that–
    because I get it all the time as well–from Southerners. Incoherent, obsessive, closed minded hatred of anything and everything not exactly like them. And they don’t wanna hear anything different. Ever. I’ve gotten that squinty-eyed, pointed finger in my face outrage for trying to calm my co-workers that BO is really not the Anti-Christ and continuing to hit “forward” on that company email saying that he is–could get them into some hot water. And this is at a world renowned hospital.
    It’s everywhere. Yes. I get that. But Southerners have honed this talent to a razor sharp edge. They’re proud of it. Butchering baby black bears, wrapping them in O campaign signs and dumping the bodies on them thar knawlidge places–you know where they think they’re so much better–college campuses. Yeah. I’d be so proud to count myself as one of them.

  89. RJGrones November 12, 2012 at 3:39 pm #

    re: “Either way, you’re toast.” – great line perfectly placed with just the right timing..

  90. ItsTheFraudAndWarCrimesStupid November 12, 2012 at 4:02 pm #

    Republicans, Democrats ..what’s the FUCKING difference?
    Let’s look at the common underlying theme amongst BOTH parties: they consist of AMERICANS ..who have proven to be nothing more than WAR CRIMINALS, TORTURERS, FINANCIAL FRAUDSTERS and PERVERTS. You people take helpless little Iraqi girls, RAPE THEM , then shoot them in the back of the head (along with their ENTIRE FAMILY ..just Google “Mahmudiyah killings” if in doubt) and put a weapon in their dead hands in order to claim that they were “terrorists”. You cowardly asswipes sit comfortably behind desks sipping mocha lattes while operating DRONES in order to bomb helpless children 4722 miles away as they sleep. You fuckers flooded the entire planet with worthless financial derivatives and crashed the entire global economy. You’re all a bunch of morbidly obese, tattooed motherfuckers with a penchant for electing MENTAL RETARDS to represent you because, quite frankly, you’re ALL mental retards in one way or another.
    **YOU AMERICANS** are the only REAL fucking terrorists on this planet and now your country is coming apart at the seams just like a cheap cardboard box under a torrential summer rainstorm. And I just L-O-V-E it!
    Now SHUT THE FUCK UP AND DIE, the whole fucking lot of you! The least you can do now is go with some dignity …and IN SILENCE!
    HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!!!

  91. turkleton November 12, 2012 at 4:05 pm #

    “poorly-educated Southern suburban white trash religious fanatics”
    Yeah, did you see this?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY0M7IdNl7U
    I think you’re right on the money. None of these people can even name one specific part of Romney’s platform. (Did he have one?)
    They just like him because, well, you can guess.

  92. turkleton November 12, 2012 at 4:07 pm #

    Do you know why I only drink pure grain alcohol?

  93. dominic November 12, 2012 at 4:16 pm #

    It’s strange that you should end your customary diatribe with Rutherford B. Hayes, one of the worst presidents ever, down there with Buchanen, Jackson and Nixon (who did not have beards). The worst part of the whole inglorious Hayes administration was the end of reconstruction which needed another 20 years, but that’s another topic. Maybe Obama can grow a beard.

  94. Widespreadpanic7 November 12, 2012 at 4:19 pm #

    Jeesuz Jim, I didn’t realize you hated the South and Southerners so much. The South that I knew, small towns around Meridian, MS, I loved. But of course I’m not Ivy League, just State U. Well, maybe you’ll like the new Hispanic majority better, altho I’ve yet to meet a Mexican who gives a sh*t about peak oil. Round these parts the Hispanics are busy stripping irreplaceable Bronze Plaques off venerable Civil & WW1 memorials on Town Greens and selling them for scrap. I understand they get $4 per pound, not bad money for where they come from. I suppose that’s the price we must pay to live in this multicultural paradise.
    Tripp & P2C, read this week’s column real close. Draw your own conclusions.
    How about the article in Bloomberg today stating the US is poised to overtake SArabia in oil production by 2015, at 10 million bpd, and by 2025 will be once again self-sufficient in regard to petroleum. Currently world demand of 87.5 million bpd is being met, and demand in 2030 will exceed 100 million bpd, which, according to this article, will not be a problem.
    –WSP7

  95. Shakazulu November 12, 2012 at 4:24 pm #

    America’s destruction signed and sealed:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtkDlLaQNEs

  96. turkleton November 12, 2012 at 4:27 pm #

    So the South is the only part of the country that’s worth a damn, apparently? Now isn’t that convenient.
    I agree that Kunstler tends to paint with a broad brush. It isn’t completely accurate, because Americans are so mobile. Many Southerns are transplants from elsewhere, especially in the last 20-30 years, when the South was in an economic boom period. And not all Southerners, even natives, are as he describes.
    Still, there is a core of truth to what he writes, and the cultural history is well-documented. The knee-jerk Republicanism of most Southerners is really something to behold. What did the people down there think they were actually voting for this time? Did any of them, just one, even know Romney’s platform? Well, that’s hard to say, I guess, because he Etch-a-sketched it on a weekly basis.
    Has anyone down there thought that, just maybe, Fox News is NOT fair and balanced and isn’t such a great primary information source? Perhaps Papa Bear and the rest of the neanderthals shouldn’t be taken at face value. I know, I know. I’m really pushing the envelope here.
    The hate, actual white hot hatred, towards Obama was simply unjustified. And from what motivation do you think that originates? The racism and bigotry was barely disguised, and frankly, Southerns deserve all the criticism they receive in this post, because by and large, judging from the big swath of red on the electoral map, they are backward and ignorant. They mostly voted for a Mormon, vulture capitalist neo-con (and I do mean con). Yeah, there’s Southern values for you. Just say “prayer” and “Jesus” a couple times, and a big chunk of the voting public will ask “how high?”.
    And, I know you think believing in the Lord or whatever is noble and good. But it isn’t. This is the crux of the problem, that people are willing to shut down the logical part of their brain and believe these fairy tales. All the other insanity proceeds from there.

  97. turkleton November 12, 2012 at 4:30 pm #

    “on that company email”
    Wow.

  98. turkleton November 12, 2012 at 4:31 pm #

    “Can anyone confront one of these guys with logic”
    They don’t understand logic, of which I’m sure you’re perfectly aware!

  99. Radu Voda November 12, 2012 at 4:32 pm #

    I remember that too: Mr Kunstler admiring how Obama had to buy tube socks! Much like David Brooks saying that he knew that Obama would be a great President just by the sharp crease of his pants.

  100. Radu Voda November 12, 2012 at 4:37 pm #

    Oh don’t worry about them: they are defended by far more than Evangelicals. How about Fox New and the whole Neo Con branch of the Republican Party? How about much of the moderate Liberal Left as well?
    The far Left has the integrity to call them out on their hypocrisy just as the far Right does.

  101. Radu Voda November 12, 2012 at 4:40 pm #

    Nobody said that – Blacks were tweeting that if Obama lost they’d riot. You are so confused you can’t get the slightest thing straight.

  102. turkleton November 12, 2012 at 4:41 pm #

    Ok. Nice post actually. I hear ya. A call for tolerance is welcome.
    To be fair though, the Right seems to be much better at this than their opponents. And there is only so much one can take before fighting back rhetorically. I seem to remember back in the early to mid-80’s that there wasn’t such virulent hatred and bigotry displayed by them. Reagan’s rhetoric was usually quite inclusive, which is why a lot of people liked him even though they found his politics unpalatable.
    Now, fast forward to the modern American conservative movement.
    GW Bush says that atheists are not part of his America and that if you are not wish us, you’re against us. How’s that for some verbal vitriol?
    The Right has Limbaugh, Bill “People Want Stuff” O’reilly, Hannity, Beck, etc. You can hardly escape these people. There are legions of Right wing pundits, commentators, authors, radio personalities, and news people who barely disguise their sexism and racism. And sometimes, the real truth of their demented thinking comes out, and people are generally horrified. (e.g. the R-word fiasco of this election season)
    Who is there on the so-called Left, by comparison, that exhibits the same degree of knee-jerk intolerance and hatred? If these people exist, they aren’t nearly as visible.
    Rachel Maddow? Yeah…right!
    Or, maybe, who went down this path in the first place? It was NOT the Democrats.
    You blame both sides, but it isn’t a realistic assessment of how things went down in this country to get us in the sad state we’re in today.
    You reap what you sow, it seems to me.

  103. Widespreadpanic7 November 12, 2012 at 4:51 pm #

    A little off topic, but Jihadists in Egypt are calling for the destruction, by dynamite, of the Sphinx and the Pyramids, now that their work is done in Timbukto and Afganistan. This is where The Messiah’s Muslim Ass Kissing speech in Cairo 4 years ago has led. And this is probably just the beginning.
    –WSP7

  104. Phutatorius November 12, 2012 at 5:04 pm #

    Excellent! Somebody needs to remind the religious zealots of the nation that they are, simply speaking, lunatics. Most of us are just too polite about it, and too reluctant in general to condemn the religious beliefs of others. But I think it must be done.
    -Phut

  105. turkleton November 12, 2012 at 5:05 pm #

    To be fair, what do you expect Obama to do about it?
    And do you really think his single speech caused this, like a butterfly flapping its wings in China caused Sandy?
    It is, after all, their country and their religion. There is ultimately not too much we can do about it.
    And, BTW, crazy people call for a lot of strage things to happen. That doesn’t mean the rest of the Egyptians agree or that they’ll actually do it.

  106. anti soak November 12, 2012 at 5:07 pm #

    Yes, we know. The Taliban destroyed those ancient statues in Afghanistan.
    ‘Well, maybe you’ll like the new Hispanic majority better, altho I’ve yet to meet a Mexican who gives a sh*t about peak oil.’
    You are irrepressible, in fine form.
    Theft of metal, have you read PJ O Rourkes on visiting Albania? Where the train tracks get stolen.
    Last week someone mentioned to me that their ’50 pound concrete mermaid statue, and a copper planter’ were stolen.

  107. jwhands4u November 12, 2012 at 5:11 pm #

    I find it interesting and wonder what (if any) symbolism is reflected in that Petraeus has problems that hit the media on veterans Day?
    To notice that Obama is a Black American that is re-elected in a country that still contains racist roots in a supposed democratically elected society is something to be pleased with in that USA-in’s have a desire to reflect this ideal of democracy. Jim I understand what you mean when you say-(to show that we mean it about who is allowed to succeed here.) This is also,in part, of the idea behind the phrase- “we create our own reality”. We do and we don’t, we are each creatures that think we have a free will and believe that we can exercise as we feel it should be correctly applied. When in actuality we are the biological and social product/construct of our families and myths that we find the most believable. Here is to the hope that we can at least try and aspire to being something more than our four primary drives in life- Fight, flight, food and fu… well maybe procreation- since we have this uncanny desire not just for pleasure but the desire to re-create ourselves (for better or worse). Jim, I personally do not want to live in a world created by or reflected by the Curmudgen Crowd. Hope that hip of yours gives you the insight in how to better sweeten the “pot” while continuing to give it the needed “stirring” to bring meaning and focus to all of our lives.
    The stars may be in the sky but that doesn’t mean we can’t try to emulate them (as we have for the vast millenia).

  108. anti soak November 12, 2012 at 5:13 pm #

    Some of those people said intelligent things.
    And 13 districts in Philly were 99% for Obama,
    well you know why.
    But if Whites vote their self interest [or attempt to] thats ray-cism?
    gees you are a nitwit.

  109. Radu Voda November 12, 2012 at 5:20 pm #

    So the good Southerners are the ones who aren’t from the South. This meme will be used against you too: the good Americans are the ones not from America – non White immigrants coming here to join their Black and Brown brothers in their struggle to form the real America. You can stay but only as a white boy.

  110. turkleton November 12, 2012 at 5:20 pm #

    I guess we could take a survey but I don’t meet too many people of any race that really take PO to heart. They think we’ll run everything on electric cars powered by nuclear and solar or that we can turn all the corn into Go Juice, etc.
    In other words, dem scientists will think of something (even though a lot of people who say this claim to disbelieve a lot of modern science…go figure).
    I mean, heck, many of the Asian countries like China are building out their freeway networks right now. What does that tell you about what they really think of PO?
    And, BTW, Mexico has a lot of oil compared to its population. It exports a lot of it, too, which it could easily scale back. Perhaps this is part of the equation as to why many of them don’t seem concerned.

  111. ccm989 November 12, 2012 at 5:30 pm #

    Obama won and democracy is safe for a few more years. Hooray! Rush Limbaugh and his idiotic rants about how responsible young women who use birth control are WHORES helped defeat Romney. Also all of the Republicans I know (the ones who had the bumper sticker that read — Anybody BUT Romney) need to stop complaining. They got what they asked for — someone who ISN’T Robot Romney. Romney would have trumped up some fake evidence and pre-emptively attacked Iran, putting us into another useless and expensive war.
    Isn’t it funny that no matter how many billions the Koch Brothers, Freis and Adelson spent to defeat Obama, no matter how much voter suppression was blatantly committed and no matter how the GOP didn’t even bother to hide the overt racism, Obama STILL won and not just the Electoral College vote, but the popular vote too. As the whole world knows, Americans really are the smartest people in the room. Again, its a grand day to be an American. Hip, hip, hooray!

  112. daytrip November 12, 2012 at 5:33 pm #

    “we have this uncanny desire not just for pleasure but the desire to re-create ourselves”
    I’ve noticed a lot of modern women (and men for that matter) prefer to not recreate themselves until it starts getting too late to recreate themselves. Another addition to the population game, the pill.

  113. turkleton November 12, 2012 at 5:38 pm #

    Take it down a notch. I’m keeping it civil this week, and you should do the same or I won’t bother replying to you.
    “Some of those people said intelligent things.”
    Name one. I heard not one concrete, accurate statement against Obama that stuck, and, I also did not hear one person who actually knew Romney’s platform.
    Waiting…?
    Uh, wait, so are you saying that voting Romney was in white people’s self-interest?
    I’m thinking not, at least for most of them, aside from millionaires looking for more tax breaks. But perhaps you can explain why Sir Etch-a-sketch was such a fantastic candidate.
    That none of them could actually identify anything in Romney’s platform (was there one?) should tell you something. I didn’t meet or see one person who could, well, because Romney flip flopped like a beached fish. No one knew his platform, not even him, because he was constantly changing it.
    Romney even unwittingly said, “A better tomorrow tomorrow” which was originally a line from comedian Steven Colbert’s PAC. Then he put “Change” on the front of the lectern. Hm, where have we heard this before? It was hilarious.
    “And 13 districts in Philly were 99% for Obama,
    well you know why.”
    Yes, because they, like many Americans, found Romney to be an empty suit without any appeal. And blacks already overwhelmingly vote Democrat.
    What if it had been Herman Cain against Hillary Clinton? That would have interesting. You would have seen some breaking up of usual voting blocs.
    Anyways, given Romney’s stated policies and attitudes, what poor or middle class person in their right mind, given all the information, would have voted for him at all, of any race?
    And, you know, most black people, by and large, are not upper class. So figure it out yourself why they voted for him. There’s more to it than just skin color.
    And are you at all familiar with the history of the LDS and, uh, people of color? Not pretty. Again, why would any black person find Romney appealing with that in mind?
    Like usual though, I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make. My point was that people voted against Obama because of his race, which is not really a logical way to go, anymore than voting for someone because of their race, which is a little more understandable but still not something I particularly condone. If people actually did that it is their problem. I’m not condoning it either way.

  114. daytrip November 12, 2012 at 5:43 pm #

    The Republicans did themselves a disservice by guaranteeing antipathy from a large majority of women. For all their logic behind it, like probable increased population for the opponents of birth control, it has backfired in the sense that a lot of Hispanics follow the same credo, Catholics, etc., and the Hispanics and their birthrate, and their voting sympathies, guarantee future problems for the party of the elephant.

  115. turkleton November 12, 2012 at 5:46 pm #

    You know, the attitude of some cynical bloggers on the two parties here irks me a bit.
    To wit, here’s a snippet from this week’s Arch-druid Report.
    “the policies we’ll see for the next four years will be exactly the same as the ones that we would have had if your candidate had won, and now you have the freedom to criticize them, while the Democrats have to put up with another four years of pretending that the man they helped put into office isn’t betraying every principle they claim their party stands for.”
    Does this guy even listen to what people from the two parties say? I’m assuming he’s just tapped out for good and isn’t even paying attention.
    Paul Ryan, Romney’s VP pick, wanted to privatize Medicare using vouchers. He also wants to do something similar to SS. He wanted to lower taxes on those making greater than 250k a year. All these Repubes signed Grover Norquist’s no tax pledge, and so taxes, in their minds, shouldn’t be raised for any reason. They can only go down.
    And on and on.
    And this has become typical for the Republicans.
    The Republican party is socially conservative, seemingly more so everyday, to the point that the loonies couldn’t shut their mouths about abortion and scared practically the entire country with their neanderthal comments on God’s will.
    There is a difference, not on every issue, I do agree, perhaps not even on some very important and fundamental ones. But to assert they are exactly equivalent is naive to the extreme. It shows that you aren’t even paying attention anymore to what either one says or does.

  116. Buck Stud November 12, 2012 at 5:57 pm #

    Great posts today Turkleton; you’re on fire. Yes, and it’s very ironic that those who repeatedly yammer about ‘no difference’ between the parties are guilty of generic observation in their failure to distinguish.

  117. insufferable November 12, 2012 at 6:14 pm #

    steve,
    I don’t know if you will ever see this but do not despair. The south is a wonderful place. It is a part of america. Dont let people deter you from the wonderful place you live. So many people find it easy to put people into catagories. The south Kunstler speaks of is only a portion of what exits. there are good people everywhere. so be proud of who you are and don’t include yourself with people who are extremes.

  118. Widespreadpanic7 November 12, 2012 at 6:22 pm #

    Buckstud, Turketon Daytrip, don’t worry about it. The Republican Party will most likely disappear completely, just like the Whigs in the 1850s. So let it disappear. Other Parties will come to the fore, parties you will dislike even more than the Republicans. Rest assured the gloves will be off.
    –WSP7

  119. Nastarana November 12, 2012 at 6:22 pm #

    Mr. steve, among “what is left over” is a West Coast that pays the everlovin bills for southern fantasy lives. As in, eg, umpteen $USbillions for the war in Iraq so as you and friends could feel like real men.
    It is a jewish thing: jewish folks are able to use phrases like “white trash” that no one else gets to say. Go figure.

  120. Donny-Don November 12, 2012 at 6:23 pm #

    Mr. Kunstler:
    Are you still forecasting a Dow at 4,500 by the end of next month?
    If so, and you’re willing to place real money on your forecast (not just spout it again because it’s easy to do and because it sells books and because you suffer no consequences when you’re wrong), please have your people contact my people with all due haste! I’ll be eager match your wager re Dec 31 — whether this year, or next. Cash only, please.

  121. anti soak November 12, 2012 at 6:24 pm #

    The 47%, my dear!
    chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/11/10/
    jackson-black-voters-deserve-a-return-on-election-investment/
    The #1 shake down artist tells it like it is.

  122. turkleton November 12, 2012 at 6:25 pm #

    “Rest assured the gloves will be off.”
    What’s that supposed to mean?

  123. anti soak November 12, 2012 at 6:26 pm #

    Can we get some perspective here?
    Find a timeline of USA population, post 1965 Immigration Act. year by year.
    And info on % on Immigrants that require section 8, EBT, etc.

  124. Nastarana November 12, 2012 at 6:27 pm #

    We do NOT wqant Elizabeth Warren to be president. We want her in the Senate for the next 50 years, Mme Chairwoman of the banking and appropriations committees, making Wall Streeters behave, along with future Majority Leader Merkley.
    Claire McKaskill, America’s answer to Maggie Thatcher, can become president, after Brian Schweitzer.

  125. anti soak November 12, 2012 at 6:27 pm #

    When Daddy, when?
    Did you vote against BHO because he is mulatto?

  126. turkleton November 12, 2012 at 6:28 pm #

    Yes, I don’t think those in the red states generally look at the figures as to who actually pays the federal government’s bills. It is ironic, because most of the South is, as they say, in the black when it comes to money received from Uncle Sam.
    California, Illinois (?), and New York are in the opposite situation. They send out more federal money in taxes than they get back. Ironic, that, considering the political rhetoric of many Republicans, who say that they don’t like the moochers and parasites.

  127. anti soak November 12, 2012 at 6:29 pm #

    Nazi v. Nazi.
    Left Nazi v. White Nazi.

  128. anti soak November 12, 2012 at 6:31 pm #

    Macon was not so good to Tripp.
    Too much crime.

  129. turkleton November 12, 2012 at 6:33 pm #

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

  130. anti soak November 12, 2012 at 6:40 pm #

    How could any Liberal vote for him again?
    Because he won a Nobel.
    Because he is marketed as ‘Black’.
    Because he ‘got’ Bin Laden.
    ass-oka can add 100 more reasons why the media and people luv hussein.

  131. HeartandPen November 12, 2012 at 6:45 pm #

    So much vitriol, so much hate, so much name calling and labeling. All so very… progressive. And… not very funny.

  132. turkleton November 12, 2012 at 6:59 pm #

    Some interesting points you make so I’ll reply (if you can keep the name-calling to a minimal in your replies please).
    “Obama filled his cabinet with Goldman Sachs people for God’s sake! And continued the foreign policies of Bush!”
    Well, let’s take these two points and dissect, shall we, because as all is not as it seems.
    Obama ENDED the Iraq War, as far as American involvement. There has not been a military casuality there in months and months. That is not a continuation of Bush. That’s ending one of his wars.
    Obama has given a pull out date for the US’s role in Afghanistan, again, putting an end to a quagmire started by GW.
    Obama aggressively pursued OBL, which was actually NOT a policy of Bush, and he got him. So there, he was more hawkish than the hawks.
    Obama rescinded many of Bush’s executive orders, including the infamous torture memos.
    Have some aspects of Bush’s foreign policy survived? Sure, but do you expect this big ship to turn on a dime? What do you want him to do? He never stated that America would become isolationist and withdraw from NATO, or whatever Libertarian fantasy it is that you harbor. You’re right, he’s still wedded to the American superpower idea, but I don’t think he ever stated that he wasn’t. I guess that means most Democrats are too, so his policies aren’t that incongruous.
    He has stepped up drone attacks in Pakistan, this is true, and many liberals and Democrats have taken him to task for this. The Dems are not nearly the united, cultish bloc that you suppose. In some areas, they have criticized the president harshly.
    As for GS, indeed, you’re right they backed him in his initial election. But this time they gave their money to Romney, presumably because they didn’t like Dodd-Frank and some other things Obama did. Most American banks are under intensive investigation right now by the Justice Department, FTC, etc. So he isn’t a complete pawn of Wall Street as you suggest.
    Unfortunately, government financial experts do tend to be drawn from the same small pool of industry firms. I don’t agree with this, and I won’t defend Obama on this point. I think you’re right on there. We don’t need any more GS alumni in the Treasury or Fed.
    “Perhaps their secret (even to themselves) religious beliefs about Black superiority entered into the decison”
    Look, Vladru, you constantly misunderstand people on this. It is simply about having a bit of sympathy/empathy and understanding the situation. They’re here. They aren’t going anywhere. We, as a country, will have to deal with it, for better or for worse. No one in their right mind (are you?) really wants some kind of Apocalyptic race war, okay? So just forget it.
    Frankly, I don’t favor Obama because of his skin color. I think he’s doing a pretty good job, considering the circumstances. I don’t think any leader could really handle the enormity of American’s current and future “problems”, certainly not one who thinks that only people of one race belong here. Whether right or wrong (its wrong BTW), it is simply an unrealistic and absurd expectation to hold in the modern era.
    Your overally expectations seem completely unrealistic. If you think some politician will be elected who shares your beliefs, you’re sorely mistaken. You’ve shown, time and time again, that you’re on the outer fringes, and not many are riding out there with you. Don’t expect the body politic to pull your way anytime soon. I expect that means you’ll continue to criticize any leader who is elected with a majority vote, but that’s your thing. You don’t even really believe in Democracy, as you’ve stated before. With that in mind, I’m not sure how you expect to be taken seriously on, well, much of anything.

  133. azgog November 12, 2012 at 7:01 pm #

    For all those replaying the election, remember that if the Repubs had managed to come up with a 5% “better” candidate it would have been a different outcome. The late stage move to the middle almost did it.
    Bambam should pay attention to their criticisms – most people see the value in government but they do not want to support an evergrowing parasite class that breeds an endless stream of dependents. The support he pledges to demilitarization, education and energy research will pay off if we are not overwhelmed by an idiocracy.
    The biggest challenge of the next 4 years may turn out to be how to put together a coherent response to the climate change emergency, especially since so much is already in the pipeline no matter what short term policy changes are enacted. The only subject more taboo than global warming has been population control.

  134. anti soak November 12, 2012 at 7:09 pm #

    Turk, I listened to the whole 8 minutes.
    Some of those folks know whats going on.
    The one gal said ‘BHO dads a Muslim’ [actually its his Indonesian step dad].
    Another mentioned drones.
    Not a one asked the government for a handout.
    Obama Is Going To Pay For My Gas And Mortgage!!! – YouTube
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jIOct 31, 2008 – 26 sec – Uploaded by ChiTraderRob
    Obama Is Going To Pay For My Gas And Mortgage! …. Jesus Christ… Its gonna be a long 4 years.
    Obama phone
    Original Obamaphone Lady: Obama Voter Says Vote for Obama …
    ? 0:45? 0:45
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOioSep 26, 2012 – 45 sec – Uploaded by RealFreedom1776
    Watch Later Romney Phone VS Obama Phoneby risharon1312,112 views … Even if you’re lazy e
    Turk, when have you ever had an original idea?
    JHK played the race card today, and you followed suit.
    cheers.

  135. daytrip November 12, 2012 at 7:25 pm #

    I don’t think I said that I disliked Republicans. I was just observing the link between their religion-related (population) politics and the Republicans’ projected future. I’m sure it isn’t only for increased constituents that, say, the Catholic Church is against birth control, but it seems like it might play a role. They also are for illegal immigration. Many illegals are Catholic. Hmm…
    I read a book years ago called “Population Politics” or something to that effect. Referring to European countries, the book gave an example that when the state needed more people/troops, etc., they would have a liberal policy toward out- of-wedlock and unwanted births: put them on the doorstep of the church, knock, leave, and the baby would be accepted, no problem. When the population wasn’t in need of more numbers, the policy would change.
    What the Republicans did was scare women about going back a hundred or so years as far as women’s rights are concerned. Most women didn’t want to go back, and they voted accordingly. Many of these women are well beyond child-bearing years, so abortion wasn’t an issue for them personally, it was an issue for their kind, womenfolk universalis. I don’t blame them. If you don’t want to have an abortion, no need, don’t do it. If you have circumstances that make it intolerable for you to bear a particular child, it should be your choice, along with the others involved. That issue alone could well have cost millions of votes for the Republicans. It’s not too hard to understand. I voted Libertarian, don’t tread on me works in this example, as with reefer, etc. btw, how can you be pro-life and pro death penalty at the same time?
    So, my vote was half for Obammy, half for Romoney, and half against aforementioned yahoos.
    And, one for my man Gary Johnson!

  136. Mills November 12, 2012 at 7:46 pm #

    James, another thought, In the election maps, red was splashed all over the map and not just in the south. It is easy to target southerners but think about it a different way. Anywhere there is suburban sprawl you find people isolated alone in their cars for hours everyday. They surf the radio looking for something to make them feel anything. talk radio is usually the option chosen (People get tired of hearing canned music either from the last 30 years or painfully autotuned). I think if you directed your talents to understanding this phenomenon you would discover a waiting public eager for the propoganda spewing. After spending all day in drudgery in the cubicle people seek to feel something and these programs deliver. The installation of hate and fear that results makes public discourse on politics impossible. I believe this feeds the beast. Suburbia as you have allready surmrised is part of the problem.

  137. myrtlemay November 12, 2012 at 8:10 pm #

    “Many Southerns are transplants from elsewhere, especially in the last 20-30 years, when the South was in an economic boom period. And not all Southerners, even natives, are as he describes.”
    I’m friends with many fine native Southerners, as well as transplants like myself. I’m active in what we have here in the South as far as education, theatre, art, and the sports scene (ACC basketball, ya’ll!)
    I have to admit, when I first arrived here to live, sight unseen, I began to tear up a little. Arriving in Greensboro and the fun of choosing which of the ubiquitous exits along Rt. 85, and after taking one of the many (wrong) exits, during rush hour traffic made my retinas, as well as my soul, feel crushed. My first view of Greensboro was the Colliseum area, High Point Road, etc. Nothing but concrete, asphalt, new and used car dealerships, Quick Cash Now outlets. I literally felt as though I’d died and gone to hell.
    Now I’m ensconced here in Greensboro in a small condo in an historic neighborhood just outside an increasingly revitalized downtown. Don’t get me wrong. It’s far from perfect down here. Btw, August and September can be a bitch without A.C. But my condo was built prewar. It has huge windows, transoms, and a french door leading to a balcony. If the windows and fans are utilized to their fullest extent, it’s not all that uncomfortable without AC. As for the rest of the 2/3rds of the year it’s down right pleasant. It gets very cold around December. We sometimes get some snow and ice storms, but nothing like New England and Philly.
    Before I moved here, two close friends from the North told me two different things.
    One said, “Don’t do it! You’ll hate it there. There are people who are ignorant and prejudiced, and bible thumpers. It’s everything you hate!”
    The other said, “Do it! It’s so beautiful. The people are very friendly. The pace of life is much more relaxed. People aren’t rushing around like their tail end is on fire. Go! You’ll love it!”
    I think back on those conversations and I think that both of them were right.

  138. turkleton November 12, 2012 at 8:42 pm #

    This is truly amazing how well your reply fits into my overall opinion of this video and the people in it.
    Firstly, you say people are right about Obama’s father. He’s an Indonesian Muslim, blah blah blah. Well, thanks for the factoids.
    But who cares? Isn’t it the ultimate in unfair, ad hominem attacks, insulting someone’s parent like this?
    Obama barely even knew the guy and was raised by a couple of old white people (his maternal grandparents?). So I fail to see how it is even the least bit relevant who is father was or his national or religious affiliation.
    Obama attended a Christian church for 20 years, yet, in the minds of these people, he’s not a Christian. O-k. Fair enough. So he’s a Muslim? Yes, he is BUT he attacks them with drones, and he shouldn’t do this. So he’s making war on Muslims. Plus, he’s a Communist, and those are atheist by nature.
    You see how little sense this overall picture makes? There is a distinct lack of coherence in the narrative of the Right. It is like Obama belongs to every bad group they can possibly imagine, even when these categories condradict each other.
    Then you mention the drone attacks, which someone brought up in the video. In the 3rd debate, Romney said he agreed 100% with them. He had nothing critical whatsoever to say about the drones, even when given an opening. So if you’re going to distinguish the candidates on this point, I’d say that’s a big fail. They’re completely identical.
    “Turk, when have you ever had an original idea?
    JHK played the race card today, and you followed suit.”
    My ideas are at least intelligible, which is more than I can say of your barely coherent posts. And I played no card. We’re discussing points that you and others brought up originally. I don’t judge Obama on the basis of his race. That’s your territory.
    Anyways, you know you’re losing the argument badly when all you have left are these kinds of personal attacks.

  139. turkleton November 12, 2012 at 8:45 pm #

    “how can you be pro-life and pro death penalty at the same time?”
    Easy, day. You just have to tolerate a lot of cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy, which is something a lot of people seem to have honed to a fine edge these days.

  140. turkleton November 12, 2012 at 8:46 pm #

    Last time I was in Texas, I saw a drive thru bail bondsman. No joke! Only in the South…

  141. mean dovey cooledge November 12, 2012 at 8:51 pm #

    Thank you.
    Always instructive to see what kind of bigotry is accepted by the self satisfied DoomProgs. I live in rural north georgia and have never heard someone say “aintcha” or experienced much of what has been described here, but then again, I have never been to a NASCAR race, or an oiled pig festival or wherever it is that you go for these encounters.
    Jhk you are totally full of shit …….you voted for a war criminal and a known liar who is enabling a criminal financial sector, appointed a Monsanto lobbyist to head the FDA, expanded the police state, signed NDAA like a little sneak on New Years Eve after promising not to and signed 900+ executive orders in 3.5 years……you tacitly approved all of this and more with your vote while hiding behind the skirt of moral relativity.

  142. turkleton November 12, 2012 at 9:08 pm #

    “but they do not want to support an evergrowing parasite class that breeds an endless stream of dependents.”
    Be careful with this awful rhetoric of separating people into parasites and contributers. There are many people who do not work and are dependent on the government, for various reasons. There are seniors on Social Security. There are wounded veterans who cannot work and will need intensive care for the rest of their lives. Severely mentally ill or physically handicapped people are also cared for by disability and SS. Some people simply got dragged under with the economy and are struggling.
    It could be you or I some day. You never really know. Most people who go on assistance these days are not on it forever. There are strict rules in place to make sure this doesn’t happen if the person is able-bodied. Unemployment insurance falls in the same category. It is a temporary relief measure.
    This rhetoric really sickens me, to be honest. In some way or another, we’re all very dependent on the overall system. Independence is generally a myth and doesn’t exist in reality. “No man is an island.”
    On the other hand, many of the distortions in the system have more to do with supporting the middle and upper class. What is the mortgage tax write off but a big give-away to the middle class and their real estate holdings? Many people, given this and other deductions, zero out their income tax.
    Romney claims to have paid, what, a 15 or 20% effective tax rate last year? Warrent Buffet said his secretary pays a higher tax rate than him. Is this fair, subsidizing the most wealthy people who least require it?
    So be careful who you blame and who you call a parasite. I read an article recently in the Guardian that claimed there are 92,000 people in the world who hold about 10 trillion in offshore assets. All told there are about 20 trillion dollars in these accounts, which now holds much of the world’s wealth, or at least a sizable amount of its cash holdings.
    And you’re telling me some single mom on welfare is the real problem here?
    Just because someone is able to amass a gigantic amount of money, they’re somehow not to blame for anything? They get the right to call other people parasites then because of their dollars, is that it?
    You and Romney seem like you would get along handsomely.

  143. jim e November 12, 2012 at 9:40 pm #

    Agreed!

  144. daytrip November 12, 2012 at 9:50 pm #

    cognitive dissonance, yes, like smoking cigarettes when you know they’re bad for you.
    I agree that there’s a lot of corporate welfare, but the other kind does persist, and it, too, is addictive and passes from generation to generation.

  145. jim e November 12, 2012 at 10:08 pm #

    I wish it was Summer all year long!

  146. progress4spam November 12, 2012 at 10:16 pm #

    ” The verdict is apparently in: if Fox News will replace its current heraldic theme music with a mariachi band, and Sean Hannity puts on a sombrero for his nightly broadcast prayer circle, then the Republican Party will once again rule the land…”
    -jhk-
    Funny stuff, JHK.
    And likely to be eerily prescient, for Faux and the Repubs for the next couple of years. We’ll see how the mid-term congressional elections go to see whether it works out for them or not.
    Right now, GOP “leaders” are triangulating like mad. Rove started it, then Rupert Murdock passed the word to his whore, Sean Hannity, and the love-your-GOP-immigrant floodgates were opened.
    I’m a Southerner, born and bred, and the GOP has always gotten it wrong. Reagan went for international expansion, monetary voodoo, and burning more oil – when the US should have retrenched a little. Since then the Repubs have turned bizarrely fiscally liberal and INSANELY socially conservative – and I have spent two decades wishing they would do the opposite.
    And NOW, again, the Repubs go bounding off into continuing the pro-growth fantasy by building a new amalgam between the Pro Life Conservative Catholic Latino Community and the rest of the GOP base.
    With our luck as a Nation, this will probably work – as the end of human life on earth becomes baked into the future – – – mostly due to the growth of the US population – all due to immigration.
    oh well.
    ————
    And JHK, last week I said I doubted your intelligence – for the first time ever – because you publicly backed Obama.
    This week, I begin to doubt your sanity, because your South-bashing has taken a nasty and visceral turn. Again, oh well.
    What’s strange is the way so many liberal CFN posters log in to express their enthusiastic and hate-filled agreement with this.
    That’s not very liberal of them, is it?
    And WSP, I get your point.
    JHK’s a good writer.
    That doesn’t mean he’s always right.
    Although JHK is right about drastically reducing immigration into the US.
    Turkleton, don’t you think that’s a good idea?
    Why or why not?

  147. deacon-john November 12, 2012 at 10:19 pm #

    Whoa, NY Times reports USA is the new Saudi Arabia!
    Good time folks to buy a new Hummer!
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/13/business/energy-environment/report-sees-us-as-top-oil-producer-in-5-years.html
    Deacon John – PS nothing on NYC Jim? We’re like a third world country in some spots, even Russia is sending aid.

  148. Radu Voda November 12, 2012 at 10:58 pm #

    The man is a war criminal by any Liberal criterion – the Nobel Peace Prize is obviously meaningless. So you are on board for the US expanding in the Middle East at the behest of gallant lil Israel. And our Civil Rights mean nothing to you either since Obama signed the NDAA.
    You hate Republicans, “the Right” and Christians more than you love yourself or your ideals. Evil is conqering in your heart.

  149. tarryintaos November 12, 2012 at 11:07 pm #

    You can watch a new video interview with our man JHK at Monday’s sampler from http://shiftfrequency.com/

  150. tarryintaos November 12, 2012 at 11:12 pm #

    P.S. Same site also has that excellent Chris Hedges piece referred to earlier in these Comments.

  151. Greg November 12, 2012 at 11:15 pm #

    Excellent analysis of the physical and political transformation of Dixieland since 1950s.
    Footnote: Obama won the election by 3,367,000 votes, not just two million.

  152. Radu Voda November 12, 2012 at 11:28 pm #

    South Africa has taken a giant step towards White Genocide: the ANC is attempting to defund Charities that serve Whites. As you should know, over a million Whites have fallen below the poverty level since the Black takeover.
    http://www.amren.com/news/2012/11/stricter-bee-code-could-crush-non-profit-sector/

  153. Radu Voda November 12, 2012 at 11:35 pm #

    Yes, the Call of the Cult was too strong and he betrayed his ideals and commonsense to vote for them Again. When will Americans of both parties realize that these people are our enemies? Does anyone believe Billionaires take words like Left, Right, Democrat, and Republican seriously?

  154. anti soak November 12, 2012 at 11:42 pm #

    TORONTO – Toronto Police are calling the vandalism of a west-end war memorial “a hate crime.”
    A woman walking Sunday night by the sculpture in Coronation Park — at the foot of Strachan Ave. and Lakeshore Blvd. W. — called police after noticing someone had taken a black marker and written “Canada will burn; Praise Allah” on the memorial.
    ………………………………………..
    How ‘PC’, a ‘hate’ crime!

  155. anti soak November 12, 2012 at 11:46 pm #

    And Thank You!.
    I will save yr post for myself in a word doc.

  156. anti soak November 12, 2012 at 11:52 pm #

    ‘When will Americans of both parties realize that these people are our enemies’?
    When they stop believing the mainstream Media.
    When they abandon both parties.

  157. anti soak November 12, 2012 at 11:59 pm #

    “”how can you be pro-life and pro death penalty at the same time?” ”
    Just turn the 2 poles around……………….
    Many dems / leftists are all for abortion at 6 months, or later.
    And they oppose the death penalty, even for killers who killed several people.
    See, you didnt even offer ‘pretzel logic’.

  158. anti soak November 13, 2012 at 12:05 am #

    Are you aware theres yet another George Bush entering politics?
    The ‘Latino’ George Bush.

  159. anti soak November 13, 2012 at 12:10 am #

    Perhaps he will be the worst of both elements,
    the Bush Dy-nasty element and the Latino element.
    Hes Jebs boy.

  160. Radu Voda November 13, 2012 at 12:19 am #

    Great article on how the Republican seem about to parallel the stategy of appeasment that served Whites so well in South Africa. Great thread with very interesting links.
    http://www.amren.com/news/2012/11/will-the-us-follow-south-africa-down-the-path-of-white-decline/

  161. Radu Voda November 13, 2012 at 12:23 am #

    I think he’ll go far – very handsome in the classic Latin way, charismatic and of course bilingual and with incredible connections and money. Not only the Latinos, but White Women will fall at his feet.

  162. daytrip November 13, 2012 at 12:36 am #

    “Just turn the 2 poles around”
    Good point. I made the statement earlier, arguing that rigid female reproduction policies endorsed by the Republicans are alienating them from women. But, good point.
    It seems that it would be easier and more effective to reduce the Republicans’ alienation factor with women in general than to suck up to the Hispanic vote, who mostly won’t vote for them anyway. Another amnesty will just add to the numbers of new Democrats. The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) of 1986 was an amnesty that was supposed to be contingent on controlling the borders. Funny thing, big business (largely Republican) have been for the cheap labor that the illegals (and legals for that matter) represent. The cheap labor factor remains regardless of who is in the White House.

  163. Mike Hunt November 13, 2012 at 1:04 am #

    Just for some context, a great song by Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys. Many covered this one, although I prefer the version done by Commander Cody and his Lost Planet Airmen (from Berkeley!)
    featuring Ernie Hagar on pedal steel.
    THAT’S WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THE SOUTH
    Let’s go back to Alabamy
    Let’s go see my dear old Mammy
    She’s fryin’ eggs and cookin’ hammy
    That’s what I like about the South
    Say you won’t make no mistake
    Say your nerves will never shake
    You’ve got a taste for layer cake
    That’s what I like about the South
    She’s got baked ribs and candied yams
    Those sugar-cured Virginia hams
    A basement full of those berry jams
    An’ that’s what I like about the South
    Hot corn bread, turnip greens
    Ham hocks and buttered beans
    Mardi Gras down in New Orleans
    That’s what I like about the South
    Now way down where the cane grows tall
    Down where they say “Y’all”
    Walk right in with that Southern drawl
    ‘Cause that’s what I like about the South
    There’s a place called Doo-Wah-Diddy
    Ain’t no town, it ain’t no city
    Mighty small, and mighty pretty
    I said Doo-Wah-ah-Diddy
    Here comes Lance he’s got the blues
    His baby needs a pair of shoes
    But he’s caught up with his union dues
    An’ that’s what I like about the South
    There goes old Billy C.
    You can hear those shufflin’ feet
    He would rather talk than eat
    An’ that’s what I like about the South
    That’s what I like about the South!

  164. daytrip November 13, 2012 at 1:20 am #

    Amazing Rhythm Aces, Russell Smith
    “The Ella B”
    Have you ever took a boat ride
    Down the Mississippi
    Well, if you do
    You oughta take it on the Ella B.
    Yes, she starts off in St. Louis Missouri
    And she takes you down to New Orleans
    And on out to the sea
    Well you heard about the good Queen Mary
    Sailin’ on the seven seas
    But you ain’t never took no boat ride
    Till you been ridin’ on the Ella B
    Her accomodations are among the best
    You get three square meals a day
    And a place to rest
    We can just smells them ole hot biscuits
    And that country ham
    That old fried chicken,
    Mashed potatoes and the candied yam
    Well you heard about the Constitution
    Fightin’ the revolutionary war
    Well America’s inland neighbor
    She’s the finest runnin’ shore to shore
    (Instrumental soloing)
    Mmmm…it takes about a week
    To get back down that there river
    But once you get on board
    You can wish it would last forever
    Oh you just sit out on the deck
    And fish off the side all day
    Watch the sunny south land roll on by
    And dream your blues away
    Well you heard about the ship Titanic
    A sailin’ on the northern sea
    But you ain’t never took no boat ride
    Till you been ridin’ on the Ella B

  165. Mike Hunt November 13, 2012 at 1:44 am #

    Sounds like a great river trip there. I’ll have to get a hold of the recording.
    Maybe I’ll float the Mississippi some day.
    There’s something about a river, nothing else like it.

  166. asoka.. November 13, 2012 at 2:08 am #

    Strange Fruit by Billie Holiday
    Southern trees bear a strange fruit,
    Blood on the leaves and blood at the root,
    Black bodies swinging in the southern breeze,
    Strange fruit hanging from the poplar trees.
    Pastoral scene of the gallant south,
    The bulging eyes and the twisted mouth,
    Scent of magnolias, sweet and fresh,
    Then the sudden smell of burning flesh.
    Here is fruit for the crows to pluck,
    For the rain to gather, for the wind to suck,
    For the sun to rot, for the trees to drop,
    Here is a strange and bitter crop.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Web007rzSOI&feature=related
    Sung by Billie Holiday
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqbXOO3OiOs&feature=related
    Sung by Nina Simone
    The white south of the USA was a place of terrorism directed against Black citizens, through southern, state-sanctioned, violence against people with dark skin. Unspeakable atrocities committed by whites.

  167. Inquiring Mind November 13, 2012 at 3:00 am #

    The title of this screed should be “A Look In MY Mirror”. Whether JHK knows it or not, that is what he has done.
    It is obvious that he hates and doesn’t understand himself. This is reflected in his hatred for most of humanity and the fact that he looks down condescendingly upon people who have erred in their ways or become unwittingly misguided or manipulated. He holds tightly and fearfully to his own biases and casts judgment upon all through his biased lense. The unrelenting bitterness is astounding. I don’t know how he gets up in the morning as his body should be filled to the brim with bile, his mind with angst.
    He can denigrate the population of the South, politicos or any other faction of our society or world at large (cheered on by all of you sycophants) and it will get him nowhere but sicker
    and more bloated with bile.
    He must learn that HE is the South, HE is our politicos, HE is any faction or cohort of this entire world that he curses with his sophisicated and vitriolic wordcraft.
    We have to consider our personal selves to BE the group. We survive THROUGH the group, not separate from. Making oneself an outlier is the sure path to destruction. It is the love and respect of one’s fellow man and his inherent potential that must be viewed. It is knowing that he is basically good (despite the lies of Catholicism). Knowing that no one really goes anywhere unless the rest of the group accompanies them.
    In other words… we’re stuck with each other. Time to get the respect and tolerance and understanding up into a higher level. And then stop all this nonsense and pinpoint who our real enemies are.

  168. Radu Voda November 13, 2012 at 3:01 am #

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  169. Radu Voda November 13, 2012 at 3:13 am #

    Blacks were often guilty of the crimes for which they were lynched. Whites were lynched too. Primitive justice? Sure, but you have to understand how it started: during Reconstuction, the Whites were disarmed and had no protection against the rampaging Negro mobs. And the Union soldiers and Carpetbagger Authorities were on the side of the Negro rapists and just laughed when Whites sought justice. So the Whites took matters into their own hands, fighting terrror with terror.

  170. Radu Voda November 13, 2012 at 3:54 am #

    Another great song: I’d rather be a Nigger than a po White Man.

  171. extex November 13, 2012 at 4:49 am #

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    I might even put you back on my “Favorites.”
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  173. Senneth November 13, 2012 at 5:50 am #

    I agree with your comment Mean Dovey Cooledge. And it was really nice to see you name again BTW because you haven’t commented in a very long time.
    I live on the West Coast and have only been to the South a few times. I have met unfailing courtesy and kindness from everyone I met while there.
    We are all Americans, so I ask why, like Bush and Obama, does JHK continuously try to polarize us. Our nation is in trouble and we are not going to solve anything unless we do it together.
    Turk, while I enjoy reading your posts you are wrong about Obama. He has extended Bush’s policies on almost everything – those he didn’t outdo that is. And the timeline to get out of Iraq was Bush’s.
    I’m a FDR liberal and have worked in politics most of my life. I’ve been an activist for women’s rights, civil rights, and gay rights, and I am sick and tired of the racist meme coming out of the WH and the Democrats.
    If you’ll remember history LBJ got the civil rights legislation passed because he forced the southern democrats to vote for it because he knew where their skeletons were buried. Most of the republicans supported it.
    I agree with Rhino, we need to come together as a nation if we are to survive what is coming with peak resources and especially peak water. What we’re seeing in the aftermath of Frankenstorm Sandy is what we’ll all be dealing with when peak resources really comes calling.
    Thanks for your column JHK, but you’re being as bigoted about the South as some people were about Jews and it isn’t a pretty picture you paint.

  174. Widespreadpanic7 November 13, 2012 at 7:29 am #

    Main task now is to eliminate the Right Wing Media, for starters Fox News, Drudge and Rush Limbaugh. Then work your way down to the small fry, including Christian Networks, which should be easy pickens’. The 1st Amendment? Who gives a sh*t about that? We’re talking Revolution here! And a glorious future! Bottom line, now that we are permanently in charge, we won’t allow a mob of white, retrograde neandrethals f*ck it up with their RW lies. #1 move is to classify any criticism of Obama as hate speech, and any criticism of Homosexuality as hate speech, punishable by law. Great Nations like the Soviet Union and Red China have made do with One Central Network, which is all one needs to get the truth out to the people.
    –WSP7

  175. Inquiring Mind November 13, 2012 at 7:57 am #

    I’m signing off on this blog. Too toxic for me. I was mostly lured in by the wordcraft… but that aesthetic is just a carrier wave for poison and hatred.
    Farewell!

  176. ragtop November 13, 2012 at 8:36 am #

    I’m with you, SP. I had sworn off the CFN for several months as the rhetoric, here, was even more devisive than almost anywhere else on the web. Thanks JHK for confirming my reason for taking the leave of absence. I will now make it permenant. TTMF.

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  179. ozone November 13, 2012 at 8:47 am #

    Incisive analysis of the former GOP, now just an orphanage for the batshit crazy and terminal idealogues. May the Dems follow them in their quest for irrelevance.
    Blatantly encouraging population growth is kinda insane. (Especially as “ideas” and “theories” are now beginning to get some traction; e.g., “somethin’ funny ’bout the weather these days”.)
    I UNDERSTAND the thrust of it: “More of us to overcome them.” …So we’ll all perish from too many mouths to attempt feeding, and making conditions perfect for communicable diseases, etc. Nice.
    As to the “south-bashing”.
    How can I be asked to make common cause with those who’ll not do the same for me? There’s yer trouble. There’s more PRIDE (from all sides) to this shit than anyone seems to want to admit. There is some pith in amongst all the mumbo-jumbo; one pointed one says something about pride, and what it goeth before.
    BTW, you could bash “da Norf” all the live-long-day and it wouldn’t bother me. So-called conservatives do it all the time; no biggie. It’s how “values” are projected when it comes time for group-think (also known as votin’) where we see what the folks of a given contiguous region find important. You might see the Norf as too much of a handout society, but we might see your ideas of false pride and military adoration to be a stumbling block on the path to a new paradigm as well.
    So yes, giving up on entrenched and decidedly unhelpful attitudes and illusions is going to be the thing that gets us to work together, but [as folks are wont to do] it’s not going to happen til we’re right up against the iron wall of self-extinction when we finally realize it. (And there are as many ideas how this might come about as there are posters on this board… probably a lot more!) In this regard, Nemesis is our friend and maybe even our [ultimate] savior.

  180. ozone November 13, 2012 at 8:56 am #

    Tarry,
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  181. ozone November 13, 2012 at 9:11 am #

    WSP,
    Good snark and good point there.
    Under the sarcasm, are you implying there is too much “lefty”/”left-flank-of-the-right-wing” influence in the media? (Not that it matters much, as propaganda is propaganda, just curious as to what you think.)

  182. Ogier de Beauseant November 13, 2012 at 9:11 am #

    The United States will overtake Saudi Arabia and Russia as the world’s top oil producer by 2017, the West’s energy agency said on Monday, predicting Washington will come very close to achieving a previously unthinkable energy self-sufficiency.
    Uh oh! Didn’t see this one coming? Guess we will have to wait abit for the promised land of cozy small towns filled with self sufficient vegetable gardeners.

  183. ozone November 13, 2012 at 9:34 am #

    “I live on the West Coast and have only been to the South a few times. I have met unfailing courtesy and kindness from everyone I met while there.” -Senneth
    I’ve visited more than a few times, and met with the same. When they start talking about niggers, turning the M.E. into a glass parking lot, the northern libruls destruction of ‘Murka, welfare (mostly more about niggers), I just keep my fucking mouth shut and, lo and behold, we get along famously, and they think I hold the exact same opinions (as I haven’t voiced any objections)! See how nice?
    When in Rome… be vewee, vewee quiet…

  184. ozone November 13, 2012 at 9:51 am #

    So, you’re finding the ‘Murkin Zeitgeist (the picture of Dorian Gray) too horrifying to look upon?
    Farewell and Godspeed then.

  185. Nastarana November 13, 2012 at 9:56 am #

    Daytrip, The problem for women voters was the series of Republican male politicians opining about the subject of rape WITHOUT saying that sexual assault is a crime, just like any other assault on someone else’s person. Us older women may be beyond the age in which abortion is any kind of personal concern, but I think it is fair to say that none of us are willing to watch our daughters, grandaughters and neices subjected to the violent attentions of neer do well men looking for a meal ticket. Don’t forget that in no fewer than 31 states, a rapist can have parental rights. Pregnancy that might result from the CRIME of sexual assault is an entirely separate matter. Even the most pro-live, devout Christian women understand that the choice to accept a child conceived by violence should not obligate the mother to a long term relationship with a violent criminal.
    For women this was personal. A series of Republican politicians, men who had risen to comparatively high position and had garnered at least some support, were at least implying that there might be a movement afoot to decriminalize sexual assault. Republican Karen Hughes stated in politico after the election that if she heard any male Republican mention ‘rape’ without saying that it is “a horrific violent crime” she might tear out the man’s tongue. I think all us adults know what she meant by that.

  186. Dwayne Deslatte November 13, 2012 at 10:30 am #

    Just hoping next weeks offering has something relating to our Generals and their ummmm genitals. To me it looks as if some tribal chieftains let their concubines get out of control!
    My latest take on the media here: http://stuckinthemiddlewithu.com/

  187. Widespreadpanic7 November 13, 2012 at 10:32 am #

    HeyOz, only Busting Balls, trying to get a rise out of my friends here in the CFNation.That’s all.
    Just in fun. No harm intended.
    Stinkypants, don’t be so thin-skinned. Toughen up! You can dish it out, but you gotta be able to take it, too.
    –WSP7

  188. Chainsaw November 13, 2012 at 10:37 am #

    Thanks, Jim, for another fine observational piece.
    On the same day you posted this, The Guardian ran an article discussing a report in which the “world’s foremost energy watchdog,” the International Energy Agency (IEA), said the US can “shed its longstanding dependence on Saudi Arabian oil within the next decade, redrawing the world’s political systems and potentially leading to runaway global warming.”
    Granted, The Guardian did include counter-comments from Rolf Wuestenhagen (director of the institute for economy and the environment at the University of St Gallen in Switzerland) and Niall Stuart (chief executive of Scottish Renewables) at the end of the story. But all in all, The Guardian seems much more accepting of IEA bullshit than it was just in 2009 when it helped expose US dominance of the “agency.” Sad.
    Otherwise, we went to see the new James Bond flick, “Skyfall,” over the weekend. Definitely the best Bond outing in recent memory. But one unexpected impact it made on us was seeing what a modern, dynamic place Shaghai has become. Meanwhile, US cities increasingly look like the bombed-out hulks of Europe post-WWII. And all Americans seem to be able to do in response to our accelerating decline on the world stage, is to squabble endlessly about whether or not we should have a government, and throw increasingly wasteful sums at our bloated military.

  189. catman306 November 13, 2012 at 10:41 am #

    Here’s Chad Mitchell Trio doing John Birch Society with lyrics:
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  190. catman306 November 13, 2012 at 10:47 am #

    Here’s Dylan doing The John Birch Society Blues
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  191. The Mook November 13, 2012 at 11:30 am #

    Oy vay! This will get the boys and girls of the too lazy to work club fired up. Now, back to pickling miniature Norwegian organic brussel sprouts for the commune before dinner.

  192. The Mook November 13, 2012 at 11:34 am #

    Wow! Two good comments in a row. Got tired of the doom on here long ago but stop back for comments like this (and the weekly Kunstler spiel of course). P.S. I love when they (Southerners)are listening to Rush Limbaugh and laugh in agreement and say “I told ya so!”

  193. anti soak November 13, 2012 at 11:51 am #

    Speaking of the South [capital ‘s’], over at
    ‘ANGRY WHITE DUDE’ there is information that
    Holder withheld financial information.
    He owns a rental property in ‘Lanta that is an abortion clinic.
    Keeping the Black population down.

  194. anti soak November 13, 2012 at 11:55 am #

    Ronald Ray-gun, the first of the ‘amnesty czars’.
    We now see the real cost of cheap labor!
    Does anyone have info on the ‘Nanny killer’ in NYC?
    Is there more there than meets the eye.
    The victims dad was a higher up at a corporation, etc.

  195. anti soak November 13, 2012 at 12:00 pm #

    You are welcome to any OP you like or want.
    No problem.
    I see you as one more sheeple in that you cant or wont see the real reason that Barry went to that church to ‘cement the Black vote’.
    He is no more a Christian that I am.

  196. daytrip November 13, 2012 at 12:18 pm #

    That’s interesting. I went to see Obama in Boulder a week or so ago. When he mentioned gay/lesbian, the cheering from the crowd was pretty loud . When he mentioned allowing women to control their own bodies, etc., the roof blew off the place. The Democrats must be doing something right there, and the Republicans must have done much to receive such antipathy.

  197. rippedthunder November 13, 2012 at 12:20 pm #

    No political agenda really, but pictures speak a thousand words.
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  198. daytrip November 13, 2012 at 12:21 pm #

    So, through adding to the numbers of Democrats, and assuring their increase, RR is partially responsible for the destruction of the Republican Party? Interesting. Maybe Ronnie shoulda donned the sombrero.

  199. daytrip November 13, 2012 at 12:26 pm #

    I remember watching a documentary that had a piece about “Strange Fruit” by Billie Holliday. Quite a song, quite a woman. The greatness of her music goes without saying.

  200. Radu Voda November 13, 2012 at 12:59 pm #

    So you must be against killing newborn infants as well – since you are so much against violent assault and everything. Or do you think women have the right to determine who is human?
    I’m against abortion but I must admit asking a woman to carry a baby concieved through rape is asking alot. I would admire such a woman but I’m not sure it can be expected.
    But outside of rape, women who just kill to avoid inconvenience are monsters – as are the men and doctors who support them. People who aren’t ready to be parents can put the baby up for adoption. If she doesn’t want people to know what a whore she is, let her go or pretend to go work in a “strange city” for nine months. That’s how it used to be done when we had a viable society.

  201. Radu Voda November 13, 2012 at 1:01 pm #

    You’re walking it back now that you see how abhorrent people find your view about the South.

  202. Radu Voda November 13, 2012 at 1:04 pm #

    You like people who use names like stinky pants – yur kinda folks. Leftwing urban hillbillys who have sex with their brothers.

  203. Nastarana November 13, 2012 at 1:24 pm #

    Abortion is not the issue here.
    Are you or are you not willing to state clearly that you do understand that sexual assault is a crime? Not a twisted kind of marriage proposal, not a way to get to know someone, not a “shared trauma”, a crime.
    Please read what I said. Women who don’t want abortions should not under any circumstance be urged, cajolled or compelled into associations or relationships, including joint custody arrangements, with their attackers.

  204. Radu Voda November 13, 2012 at 1:52 pm #

    Was she a drug addict or promiscuous?

  205. Radu Voda November 13, 2012 at 1:58 pm #

    Of course it’s a crime. Likewise, women using the Goverment to defraud men of their homes and access to children when they “cash out” or divorce is also a crime or should be.
    Also girls who decide to keep their child have no right to demand the boy help support her. Men should have reproductive rights too. I know that as a fair person you support the rights of men just as much as you do those of women. And as you know, woman domestically assault men just as often or more than the opposite. And that the 2nd most dangerous place for children is with their single mothers. The most dangerous of course, is the womb of modern women.
    Now, are you willing to admit that abortion is murder?

  206. Radu Voda November 13, 2012 at 2:00 pm #

    When Clinton announced that Whites would be a minority by 2050 the White students raised the roof with joy. Was he doing something right too?
    Or is it that these people are utterly sick, spiritually sick?

  207. daytrip November 13, 2012 at 2:12 pm #

    Her music has stood the test of time. That she wrote a song with such meaning took balls.

  208. daytrip November 13, 2012 at 2:15 pm #

    Ever hear of Bill Hicks? He had a skit where he said, if you are against drugs, then go take down your record collection and throw them out, because…guess what, all those folks were high as a kite. Beatles, Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young… wasted. He goes on about Ringo floating to the ceiling, etc. It’s pretty funny, and Bill was ahead of his time. Anyway, it’s about the music to me.

  209. daytrip November 13, 2012 at 2:18 pm #

    The democrats’ platform gets the women vote, is my point. Maybe if the Republicans had a really good-looking fella up for pres, and he played sax, that would help.

  210. Radu Voda November 13, 2012 at 2:37 pm #

    Yes, why did we do it? To make them like us? Why, isn’t cultural imperialism?

  211. Radu Voda November 13, 2012 at 2:39 pm #

    No, it took ovaries. Stop being sexist.
    Yes, rock and roll is degenerate. I like it too, so so am I.
    It’s not easy to say so twice like that unless you are saying come se, come sa or asi asi.

  212. ak November 13, 2012 at 3:38 pm #

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  213. rippedthunder November 13, 2012 at 4:06 pm #

    Hi Ak, Hope skies clear up for ya. My wife thinks I am nuts, but I would travel to Australia for a Total eclipse. I have never seen one. I went to Cape Cod for the June transit of Venus(twice a century) and was basically clouded out. I do have some beautiful shots of the 2004 transit at sunrise.
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    Maybe in my next life!

  214. ak November 13, 2012 at 4:42 pm #

    Hi RT – I was only watching on the web; I’m in PNW. It did clear out for the important two minutes.
    There will be a total eclipse over the US in five years, if we are still here then:
    http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEgoogle/SEgoogle2001/SE2017Aug21Tgoogle.html
    I haven’t see a total one either and would like to. I did travel some 300 miles (one way) to see the annular eclipse earlier this year. It was interesting, but without viewing devices one wouldn’t really notice anything…

  215. Radu Voda November 13, 2012 at 5:13 pm #

    Time for us to go. Secede or die trying.
    http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/11/a-white-nationalist-memo-to-white-male-republicans/

  216. Radu Voda November 13, 2012 at 5:16 pm #

    Don’t look at it with your naked eyes. Create a pinhole camera. Use a box cutter. And wear sun glasses when looking at the display on the cardboard. One can’t be too careful. Don’t forget the sun block either. The rays may be stronger during an eclipse.

  217. ozone November 13, 2012 at 5:25 pm #

    WSP,
    Noted. Nice to see a guy continuing what might be seen as a dying art. Please carry on. ;o)

  218. progress4spam November 13, 2012 at 5:43 pm #

    “I had sworn off the CFN for several months as the rhetoric, here, was even more devisive than almost anywhere else on the web.” -ragtop-
    I’m gonna’ miss you, ragtop.
    You too Stinky.
    You guys have come up with some good ideas.
    I will take issue with one thing, ragt – and that is that this place is “more divisive” than many other places. I think you are mistaking a diversity of viewpoints for divisiveness.
    That said, JHK did go over the top for hate this week. I wish I knew why. Does anyone suppose that JHK has “handlers” like Rupert Murdock is a “handler” for Sean Hannity?
    I know JHK is supposed to have a reputation as a “liberal,?” whatever that even means anymore.
    And I know JHK is under pressure from the liberal blogosphere to tow the party line.
    Maybe he vomits on the South and “white trash” to score points on some metaphysical scorecard that he or someone, somewhere?, is keeping.
    Most unfortunate.
    Rhino gave the best set of reasons as to why this language of hate is a bad idea. I think it takes an outsider to see the US as it really is. Although, Senneth and a couple of others had good ideas, also.

  219. progress4spam November 13, 2012 at 6:02 pm #

    “In other words… we’re stuck with each other. Time to get the respect and tolerance and understanding up into a higher level. And then stop all this nonsense and pinpoint who our real enemies are.” -stinky pants, to JHK-
    Your post at 3:00 am was great.
    And now you tell us you are leaving forever.
    Don’t do this.
    AND AT LEAST TELL US WHO YOU THINK OUR ENEMIES ARE, BEFORE YOU GO, PLEASE!

  220. asoka.. November 13, 2012 at 6:10 pm #

    That said, JHK did go over the top for hate this week.
    You don’t know what hate is, Procon, because you have moved through the South with your white privilege.
    I recommend you go to your local library and request and read the book, BLACK LIKE ME, by John Howard Griffin, and then get back to me on “JHK’s hate.” JHK has been easy on the South.
    The Deep South of the late 1950’s was another country: a land of lynchings, segregated lunch counters, whites-only restrooms, and a color line etched in blood across Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia. White journalist John Howard Griffin, working for the black-owned magazine Sepia, decided to cross that line. Using medication that darkened his skin to deep brown, he exchanged his privileged life as a southern white man for the disenfranchised world of an unemployed black man. What happened to John Howard Griffin–from the outside and within himself–as he made his way through the segregated Deep South is recorded in this searing work of nonfiction. Educated and soft-spoken, John Howard Griffin changed only the color of his skin. It was enough to make him hated…enough to nearly get him killed. His audacious, still chillingly relevant eyewitness history is a work about race and humanity every American should read.
    Growing up under Jim Crow I overheard whites say to each other: “Wanna go coon huntin’ tonight?”
    This country has a long history of using “coon” as a code word and epithet for Blacks, and “coon hunting” has been an ugly sport (having nothing to do with cute four-legged mammals) since the first Black slaves attempted to flee bondage, pursued by coon hunters with coon hounds, and regulated by patrols called “paddyrollers.”
    Contrary to what Vlad/Radu says, violence against Blacks was unprovoked. Hunting down, torturing, and killing Blacks using the most cruel methods imaginable was considered sport. Lynchings were attended (and participated in) by white families … as if murdering a Black person was a normal part of an afternoon’s picnic activities. Sick. Pure terrorism. Didn’t happen in the North, only in the South.

  221. progress4spam November 13, 2012 at 6:15 pm #

    Speaking of the language of hate –
    “I’ve visited more than a few times, and met with the same. When they start talking about niggers, turning the M.E. into a glass parking lot, the northern libruls destruction of ‘Murka, welfare (mostly more about niggers), I just keep my fucking mouth shut and, lo and behold, we get along famously,…” -ozone, to senneth-
    DAMN, o3, stereotype much??????????????
    Because we all must *KNOW* there are no racists up North, you are telling us??
    And your beliefs aren’t very strong if you will listen to sh*t like that and not challenge it at all, I’ve gotta’ tell you.

  222. progress4spam November 13, 2012 at 6:17 pm #

    and speaking of hate –
    drum roll please
    The Most Hateful CFN Poster
    The Resident Impediment.
    will..now..begin..to..post..too..much

  223. ozone November 13, 2012 at 6:49 pm #

    “DAMN, o3, stereotype much??????????????
    Because we all must *KNOW* there are no racists up North, you are telling us??”
    I’m guessing you didn’t read my first post.
    No stereotype; plain reportage. Look at a map of redstate/bluestate of this past election and you’ll find the northern parts just crawlin’ with finger-pointing assholes as well. (Why, there’s an Unlimited Supply of Assholes!)
    “And your beliefs aren’t very strong if you will listen to sh*t like that and not challenge it at all, I’ve gotta’ tell you.”
    1.)What, didn’t get enough beatings to learn when to keep the lips buttoned? It’s a prized social skill, and gives you clues as to who you may have to keep an eye out for in future.
    2.)Insulting a good host is not in my shit-we-like-to-do book.
    3.)If you’d like to object to that kinda talk, hie thee to one of the laddie’s little get-togethers with his fellow travelers and let us know how that went, won’t you?

  224. ozone November 13, 2012 at 6:53 pm #

    Ps. Keeping mum is what you advised me to do if I found myself living in fundamentalist religionista country. Remember?

  225. progress4spam November 13, 2012 at 7:02 pm #

    I’m not trying to spit on the internet wood stove, here, ozone, and make you mad, RI style, for the simple useless joy of spreading madness. We’ve discussed that before.
    And the internet emphasizes differences – in a major way – if one isn’t careful, you know?
    On a practical or neighborly note, you ever order anything from these folks?
    http://www.peaveymfg.com/
    I want to get a peavy, a cant hook, or a timberjack – for general purpose log handling.
    You have any input to offer on my choice?
    All three would make OK last-resort shtf weapons.
    Although the peavy would probably be best.
    I promise not to use mine one you.
    If you don’t use yours on me. 😉 :0)

  226. mean dovey cooledge November 13, 2012 at 7:05 pm #

    Thank you, Senneth. It’s nice to see you again too.
    I don’t come here much anymore for the same reasons that the posters of my 3 favorite comments in this thread said they are leaving. This conversation is, for the most part, in the exact same place it was over a year ago. Instead of recognizing our brotherhood born of a shared belief that our way of life is not sustainable (nor should it be) there are all these pointless arguments, and everybody still thinks whatever they originally thought.
    I wish we could use history in an instructional way, and not use it to bludgeon each other with blame; I wish we could be about ideas – not so much about changing the system, but changing how we circumvent the system. That really is the revolution, I think. Non-participation. Pioneering the new *whatever it will be* with a good attitude. I truly enjoy when people write about creative work arounds, neat low tech solutions to anticipated problems, and reports on the accidental happinesses that came as a result of stepping out of the rat race.

  227. ozone November 13, 2012 at 7:14 pm #

    You sez:
    “And the internet emphasizes differences – in a major way – if one isn’t careful, you know?”
    I hear you there; I’m probably more guilty of hyphenated hysterical hyperbole than most, so I’ll tone it down; sorry.
    I’ll take a look at your link before offering practical suggestions. Holt on…

  228. ozone November 13, 2012 at 7:31 pm #

    Nice stuff! (Although WSP is going to berate us for not going “Collins”. ;o)
    Yep, I’d go with the peavey if only investing in one particular tool. I’ve got a timberjack with a removable “foot”, but that’s not too practical for quick and efficient handling/rolling. The thing I like about mine is the handle is tubular steel, one piece and pretty much unbreakable by hand-use standards.
    (I’m liking the pickaroon, but I think we could cobble together something along that line our own selves. Just for shits and giggles, you understand. Handy for pulling piles apart from the side.)

  229. ak November 13, 2012 at 7:57 pm #

    Feeling secession-y?
    Here are some petitions 😉
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions/popular/0/2/0/

  230. Radu Voda November 13, 2012 at 7:58 pm #

    Obama’s going to make everything aspect of our Society subject to Affirmative Action. Whites who voted for him as suckers.
    http://www.amren.com/news/2012/11/obama-to-unleash-racial-preferences-juggernaut/

  231. Radu Voda November 13, 2012 at 8:11 pm #

    That’s not good enough anymore. You should be defending your people against these Yankee Haters. Everything is racial from here on in. Blacks were always Racists – you swallowed the camel. Now swallow your pride and admit you were wrong. Or do you want the Non Whites to destroy us rather than admit you are a Racist (one who loves his people).

  232. Kyooshtik November 13, 2012 at 8:12 pm #

    To Ripped and AK,
    MEMORY OF A SOLAR ECLIPSE
    It is amazing the things one can piece together from a couple of facts from memory and the near infinite data available on the web.
    I spent my short (July 1962 – April 1965) military career as a lieutenant in the Air “Farce” at Duluth AFB in Minnesota. A full solar eclipse was due on Saturday, July 20, 1963 and it would be visible in north America. I decided to kill two birds with one stone. Hang out at the beach (and maybe “get lucky”) and experience the eclipse. I drove to Park Point Beach, a Lake Superior sandbar within the City of Duluth, donned a bathing suit and spread out a beach blanket. The high temp that afternoon was 86F.
    After a cold dip (the water never really gets warm there; Summer is said to occur on the 4th of July and trace snow once fell on August 31st) I sprawled on the blanket sunning myself like a lizard. I dozed off and next thing I knew I was freezing and it was as dark as dusk. The moon had covered the sun and the temperature dropped nearly 20 degrees. I remained awake for phase two as the sun slowly revealed itself.

  233. Buck Stud November 13, 2012 at 8:18 pm #

    Since there is a sort of ‘Song’s Of The South’ fest occurring here on CFN today, the below song is one reasons I also don’t mind ” Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee…”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ7raU-o7AE

  234. Pucker November 13, 2012 at 8:33 pm #

    Only days after his election victory, Obama ushers in austerity to reward the poor people who voted for him:
    http://blog.ourfuture.org/fiscal-cliff-scare-talk-follows-shock-doctrine-script/

  235. ozone November 13, 2012 at 8:33 pm #

    Aha! …And back on topic…
    Fred scribbles another scurrilous screed entitled, “Election Remorse”. A veritable minefield of japery where we dast not tread. Be forewarned, the votin’ publick of every stripe is held to account! ;o)
    http://www.fredoneverything.net/Romnibus.shtml
    *************************

  236. thomas99 November 13, 2012 at 8:42 pm #

    Jimbo…you’re awfully hard on the South. My wife and I visited Charleston and Savannah for the first time this fall. Both are beautiful cities even a new urbanist like yourself would appreciate. Have you been to either? I hear there are a bunch of Bama Boys who are very pissed after losing to the Aggies last Saturday. Maybe they could travel on up to the frozen north and beat the holy s**t out of you.

  237. Dalriada November 13, 2012 at 8:58 pm #

    Honestly this schtick of pound everyone who is not a progressive liberal is getting a bit old; as though anointing oneself with the dignified title of Democrat makes one superior to all of those around you. Get real- You only just this summer began to practice what you preach from this electronic pulpit: You finally planted a few trees and a garden perhaps after haranguing every other breathing creature who happens to interfere with your world view for years about not living sustainably themselves. Pardon us all for existing.
    I have PV, and HW tubes on the roof, a hybrid car, chickens, gardens, fruit and nut orchards, butcher my own pig by hand, and burn wood sustainably harvested from my own land. I also have a degree in physics and an IQ well into the genius range; and you know what that amounts to? I’m just another self righteous and arrogant American citizen just like the rest of you- no better and no worse than that little disadvantaged Ethiopian child my white, southern, “born again” sister so lovingly adopted last month. I hear a bunch of tearing down of virtually every group whom you disagree with, but hear very little of your personal contributions, other than you motor around the countryside in clear violation of your own dearly held tenants, on roadways that disgusting Eisenhower administration built for you. Do something real for a change; some real writing or some real motivation for the masses. Drop this sanctimonius BS that you all are so fond of sputtering out. I’m done here.

  238. ront November 13, 2012 at 9:10 pm #

    This link is a strongly stated reason for reconsidering joining in the celebration of Obama’s re-election. It is primarily aimed at anyone who may have felt a compelling need to vote for a “lesser of two evils” candidate.
    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/11/13/american-immorality-is-at-a-peak/

  239. Kyooshtik November 13, 2012 at 9:11 pm #

    your own dearly held tenants
    ============
    I doubt Jim goes any further than a perfunctory hug; I don’t think he’s gone as far as actual coitus with them.

  240. jim e November 13, 2012 at 9:16 pm #

    She said jim’s earing told the story…

  241. Kyooshtik November 13, 2012 at 9:41 pm #

    My 9:11PM post was a ball-buster for Dalriada. I think jim e may have misunderstood.

  242. asoka.. November 13, 2012 at 10:01 pm #

    Radu, start a petition. Get 25,000 signatures and the White House will officially respond.
    Citizens in 30 states have started petitions to secede from the United States. The Obama administration is making the whole process easier by facilitating signature gathering online.
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/how-why/introduction
    There are 117 active petitions. Not all are related to secession efforts; you can petition the government for whatever you want, including a white separatist whites-only nation, but you have to get 25,000 signatures to have your proposal considered.
    The Constitution gives citizens the right to petition the government, and Obama is helping the process, so angry citizens can petition for whatever it is they want to happen.

  243. asoka.. November 13, 2012 at 10:10 pm #

    Of course, you need to be careful what you petition for. There are 30 petitions to withdraw their states from the United States (some only have a few hundred signatures). And then there is another petition (one of the 117 open petitions) that reads: “Deport Everyone That Signed A Petition To Withdraw Their State From The United States Of America” The petition to deport you from the United States, Radu, now already has over 10,000 signatures.

  244. asoka.. November 13, 2012 at 11:37 pm #

    A petition for Texas secession has qualified to receive a White House response.
    As of Tuesday evening, the petition — which asks for the peaceful withdrawal of the state of Texas from the union — had racked up more than 81,000 signatures. (Only 25,000 are needed to elicit an official response from the Obama administration.)
    The Texas petition reads:
    Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it’s citizens’ standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-texas-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/BmdWCP8B
    The support for the petition has surged in the last couple of days despite Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s calls to support the union.
    On Monday the governor’s press secretary, Catherine Frazier, said that Perry “believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it.” Frazier added, however, that the governor “also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government.”
    Go for it, Radu. Obama is making it easy for you to establish a whites-only white separatist space, defined in any way you want to define it in the petition that you yourself craft. Or is your white separatist talk all hat and no cattle?

  245. anti soak November 14, 2012 at 12:08 am #

    Did you once post here as OEO?

  246. Stephen Daedalus November 14, 2012 at 12:10 am #

    “Don’t forget the sun block either. The rays may be stronger during an eclipse.”
    Radu, you seem to be a thinking man. How can you say something this ridiculous? The Sun’s intensity is greatly reduced during an eclipse (hence the darkness). Yet the rays passing around the moon are still strong enough to blind you when looking at it without a proper filter.

  247. Stephen Daedalus November 14, 2012 at 12:45 am #

    From last week Life Support said:
    “I see a lot more use of solar thermal in our future”
    Yes, solar thermal is a great way to off-set fossil fuel use and complement our energy needs. It is very low tech and practical. Why we didn’t go this route following the 1973 Oil embargo is beyond me.

  248. anti soak November 14, 2012 at 12:56 am #

    From Radus link:
    The latest proposal is for all charities, such as orphanages or soup kitchens, to lose their non-profit status if they serve any whites at all. It would mean that charitable organizations could serve only blacks, and that whites would not be allowed to help each other in any organized way, even to alleviate poverty or care for orphaned children.
    Wow, that is really chilling. You can’t get much more hateful than that. I can see that happening in the US if current trends continue.

  249. Radu Voda November 14, 2012 at 2:54 am #

    Well a guy was once taken outo Outer Space. He said he couldn’t see the sun “because it was so dark out there”. And the Black Congress person who thought that the weight of humans was lowering the continents and thus raising the ocean levels. In these senses, I offered the comment.

  250. Radu Voda November 14, 2012 at 3:01 am #

    I’m glad someone cared enough to click on it. It’s huge and no one gives a shit. And yeah, it may come here if Obama get away with his vile “race norming” and disparate impact garbage.

  251. Senneth November 14, 2012 at 3:04 am #

    I agree with you, MDC. I have learned a lot from the posters on this site, however, and hope to learn more. Which is why I keep coming back.
    I live in a condo and have little gardening space. We also have lots of deer who come calling and sleep next to our deck. If the crash comes I suppose I could club one with my walking stick. 🙂
    However, I get eggs from my sister and her husband who have chickens and live within waking distance and buy only local and organic at our co-op. I also drive a hybrid – couldn’t resist that as someone up thread also mentioned it.
    While Jim often has these South bashing posts, which I detest, the comments are often very good and very informative. I’ve also enjoyed the posts which feature his own journey into gardening and having an orchard.

  252. Radu Voda November 14, 2012 at 3:09 am #

    How old was this boy? Seven? Eight? Subtract those years – would it have been alright to kill him if he was in his mother’s womb? No? Why not? Women do it all the time and not only get away with it but consider themselves heroes. They say things like “If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament”. Meanwhile, abortion is The main sacrament of Feminism.

  253. Radu Voda November 14, 2012 at 3:12 am #

    You are a White Uncle Remus.

  254. Widespreadpanic7 November 14, 2012 at 7:11 am #

    P2C don’t get one of those cheapy Timberjacks from Tractor Supply made in China. I made that mistake. They’re no good, and they’re dangerous. Wasn’t there a lot of logging in Georgia at one point? Visit a flea market or yard sale and pick up the real thing. I finally bought a good one at the flea in Vermont, made by Ames in Chicopee Mass way back when. Has a nice oak handle.
    –WSP7

  255. mean dovey cooledge November 14, 2012 at 9:30 am #

    Asoka (and JHK) remind me of Robert Gibbs justifying Obamas drone killing of Anwar al-Awlaki’s 16 year old American born son by saying “he should have had a more responsible father”.
    Indeed! I too, should have had better sense then to be born to parents residing in the american south; I am on the hook for slavery AND the PeopleofWalmart™. Meanwhile, Obama killing the crap out of brown people all day, everyday, is explained away, made excuses for, and even celebrated. Progressive logic in a NUTshell.

  256. iwpj302y November 14, 2012 at 9:38 am #

    ?International Online reports (Reporter ZhaoXue): Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Cheng Guoping said in Beijing on the 28th, the Eighth Sino-Russian energy negotiators meeting will be held in Beijing on June 1. China and Russia will discuss gas cooperation, explore new energy cooperation. Cheng Guoping, deputy minister said that the Sino-Russian gas cooperation is likely to adopt a new mode of cooperation, reflecting the Sino-Russian cooperation in the energy sector thinking. He said: “the end of April 2012, Vice Premier Li Keqiangs visit to Russia during the Sino-Russian gas cooperation prices presented a new proposal means that the future of Sino-Russian cooperation in the gas sector is likely to take a new cooperation , that is vertically integrated, real mutual benefit and win-win principle, both sides risk-sharing, benefit-sharing. “It is reported that Chinese Vice Premier Wang Qishan and the new Russian energy negotiators, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Devorko Albion will jointly attend the Eighth Sino-Russian energy negotiators met.

  257. mean dovey cooledge November 14, 2012 at 9:43 am #

    Yes, the south bashing is annoying. Because if we had had our way, a different murderous thug would be sitting in the Oval Office and that would be so declasse.
    There are a lot of great commenters here, I agree.
    I am down to one laying hen. I have these elderly hens…I love them and cant eat them so it appears that I am running a shelter for elderly poultry. I do still have some food in my garden: lettuce, kale, leeks, onions and spinach.

  258. ozone November 14, 2012 at 10:13 am #

    I’m just not gettin’ it.
    Let us pose a little hypothetical:
    I reside in a “large geographical area” where the majority (over 50%) of the folks happen to be troglodytic jerkwads who choose (vote in) better-spoken troglodytic jerkwads to represent them. Someone (a ding-dang “outsider”) notices this as a long-running trend. They write about it in a manner that smacks (loudly) of ridicule and derision. I happen not to be a troglodytic jerkwad (let’s just say; this is hypothetical after all ;o). I don’t take offense at the ding-dang outsider calling my large geographical area “the ancestral home of a huge number of troglodytic jerkwads”, because, in the main, it happens to be true. As a member of a slightly less troglodytic minority, I’m pretty much bound by the [distasteful but accurate] critique of my home ground, am I not?
    My response might be something along the line of: “Yep, most of my friends and neighbors have some pretty whacked ideas and the appellation of ‘troglodytic jerkwad’ is a fairly good fit, but they’re generally good people despite that.”
    What’s the big deal? Why the preternaturally thin skins? Please explain. (If it’s the case that your fellow citizens happen to contain a small, but very vocal MINORITY of jerkwads [that you all must shoulder the slings and arrows for], then I could understand the umbrage.)

  259. Widespreadpanic7 November 14, 2012 at 10:43 am #

    Is peak oil theory dead? On NPR this morning: “Now that the US is becoming Energy Independent, should we pull troops out of the Middle East”?
    And there were those articles on Monday, referenced here, in Bloomberg and The New York Times, claiming In a few years the US will be outproducing SArabia in terms of bpd petroleum, over 10 million bpd. By 2030 world demand exceeding 100 million bpd and easily being met due to new technology etc.
    What’s the deal? Who is right?
    –WSP7

  260. ozone November 14, 2012 at 11:06 am #

    Well Geeze-um Crow, I don’t know who’s right about this, but it sure sounds like a damn good excuse to bring the boys and girls home from their extended hunting and camping trips!
    Uh-oh, where oh where shall we employ these suddenly unemployed youngsters with destructive skills and time on their hands for mischief-making? Could they all be put to work in the newly-developed fracking fields, as wildcatters and the guards who guard them and the convoys of poison-water tankers? (And can we get paid to draw up the proposal?)
    Hmmmmmm. Possibilities abound.

  261. anti soak November 14, 2012 at 11:08 am #

    who dat?

  262. anti soak November 14, 2012 at 11:12 am #

    We are ‘Peak’, Topsoil, Culture, Water.
    Do you read Frosty Wooldridge?
    His theme is US has skyrocketing population and declining resource base.

  263. Widespreadpanic7 November 14, 2012 at 11:51 am #

    Skyrocketing population???
    I understand after ‘immigration reform’ 12-15 million new citizens will be able to send for their extended families in Asia and Latin America and bring them here. You might be talking 100 million new people overnight.
    –WSP7

  264. Widespreadpanic7 November 14, 2012 at 12:49 pm #

    And here’s the scam. Remember back in the 70’s when books like ‘Future Shock’ and ‘The Population Bomb’ came out, and ‘Zero Population Growth’ was organized? A lot of dumb-ass whites bought into it and had 1 or no children ‘to save the earth’. Lot of good that did, because at the same time Jose’ was swimming across the Rio Grande with his 12 kids and 2 grandmothers.
    Jokes on us! We been Pranked!
    –WSP7

  265. SNAFU November 14, 2012 at 12:51 pm #

    Progressor says: “And I know JHK is under pressure from the liberal blogosphere to tow the party line.”
    As Q is apparently uninterested in placing sharp sticks in your eyes I reckon it is my burden to accommodate you. You are one of the many who apparently know not the difference between towing and toeing the line. One toes the line when as in lining up for a foot race, one tows the line when pulling a boat up to the dock. With this information firmly embedded in your mind I ask; in which direction is JHK towing the party line?
    SNAFU

  266. rippedthunder November 14, 2012 at 1:11 pm #

    Sorry Sd but it is perfectly safe to view the sun during totality even without a filter and even through a telscope. Just don’t get caught by surprise when third contact is made.
    http://web.williams.edu/Astronomy/IAU_eclipses/look_eclipse.html

  267. Radu Voda November 14, 2012 at 1:14 pm #

    Benghazigate getting worse. The Media desperately tried to distract from the fact that the Administration allowed the Ambasador and three other Americans to die. First it was the video and now the sex scandals. Evidently, generals aren’t allowed to get any – at least not Heterosexual ones.
    In other news, the Media is ignoring the ongoing tragedy in New York – much different than their frenzy over Katrina. Why the difference? The race of the victims. If something happened to Harlem they would be on it for weeks.
    http://clashdaily.com/2012/11/racist-media-ignoring-the-devastation-on-cracker-island/

  268. Radu Voda November 14, 2012 at 1:16 pm #

    You sound like a racist. Congratulations.

  269. Widespreadpanic7 November 14, 2012 at 1:42 pm #

    “Generals aren’t allowed to get any” –Vlad
    What about Ike in France with his 23 year old Buxom, British Red Head who Served Underneath him in the position of Personal Secretary?
    What about General Pershing and his hookers in motels outside Washington DC in the 1920s?
    General Sedgwick and Fighting Joe Hooker in the Civil War?
    Custer with his Indian Maiden in the Dakotas.
    Just to name a few.
    –WSP7

  270. Widespreadpanic7 November 14, 2012 at 1:43 pm #

    These guts aint boy scouts.

  271. Michigan Native November 14, 2012 at 1:51 pm #

    Obama will not bring back endless growth, and while there are rumblings about QE3, the Russians and Chinese are supposedly starting to empty their portfolios of US dollars. Toss in an attack or invasion of Iran, and the US getting locked out of the international oil trade, and hence the 2/3 of energy we need to import from countries that hate our government for decades of military bullying and interventionism and would love to see the US military machine run out of gas, literally, seems like a done deal.
    So all this militarism, not limited to bringing out vets with arms and legs amputated at the World Series, drumming up patriotic orgies at other “sporting” events, will all be for nothing soon and will prove to be the second greatest misallocation of resources, taking second place to suburbia and all the freeways, roads, and bridges that few, if any cars will be trying to circumvent the potholes on.
    I was disgusted by all the bally hoo and hoopala leading up to this last election, but a few things I saw at the last minute have me gloating (for a short while, because I know the party will soon be over…peak oil and the end of growth). Mitt Romney’s campaign stop somewhere in Pennsylvania was blaring on some of the televisions at work. Everytime that jackass made up something else that sounded good in order to try and get himself elected, a chorus of “USA, USA” went up from the testosterone poisoned, flagwaving boneheads. I guess white trash/Lynyrd Skynyrd types are not confined to the old south. (Michigan is the home of arch asshole/draft dodger/chickenhawk Ted dogbreath Nugent and Kid Rock, so I guess ignorance and blind conformity are not confined to old Dixieland.
    So the crowd reaction confirmed what I already knew. Romney supporters are colossal assholes. Then I hear Mitt talk about “complete energy independence for america in 8 years”. It was then I knew this clown would say anything that sounded great just to get his ego massaged by ascending intothe presidency, where, no doubt, he planned on imposing his fucked up brand of lunacy (some call it religion) and their hypocritical morality on everyone else. (“I will fight any effort to legalize the use of medicinal marijuanna tooth and nail”). Asshole. Complete energy independence within 8 years. Really. Seeing domestic (US) oil production peaked in 1973, just where did he think this new, miraculous, and most importantly,non existent energy was going to come from? Even if they could can all the hot air from politicians, it would not even begin to make a ripple in the depleted energy pool. That stuff is gone forever, and no amount of wishful thinking will bring fossil fuels back. Period.
    The final kicker for me was when they showed a young, yuppie Mitt Romney holding up a sign actually protesting the anti Vietnam protestors, telling them to get back to their studies. Some 2 million Asians, 50,000 american casualties from combat, and nobody will ever know how many others died from exposure to agent orange or suicide, and this man of God was all in favor of this insane, senselss horror, even to the point where he mocked those brave kids who took to the streets to fight an unjust war. Cocksucker supreme. I knew he was shaking his fist at Iran, Russia, and China, but I did not know he was that much of an asshole all his life. If he was so in favor of the Vietnam War, why didn’t he sign up and go over and fight? Gotta love the repugs. Cheerleaders for those who fight and die, or redneck assholes who are so eager to go fight and die for the Mitt Romney/chickenhawk types.
    I was surprised, and I hate to admit, even glad that Obama won. It was more a symbolic gesture to all the ignorant, backwards, bellicose,flagwaving rednecks, religious fanatics, and Donald Trump types whom I have always despised. Gloat gloat gloat, although the feeling will be short lived. Nobody can bring back endless growth, peak housing values, abundant and cheap oil, so it’s all contraction from this point on, with gasoline prices skyrocketing, energy shortages, brown outs, black outs, hunger, despair, and lots of violence as people fight over the scraps that are left. Guaranteed to happen

  272. LifeSupport November 14, 2012 at 1:55 pm #

    First off, the difference in output from the top three producers — Russia, Saudi Arabia, and the U.S. — isn’t as large as one might suppose. Our production puts us less than half a bbl/day behind the Saudis, and less than one bbl/day behind Russia — in other words, about halfway toward matching our daily consumption.
    On a quick glance, it looks like the EIA has based their projections on a couple of important assumptions. One is that there won’t be any problems finding enough water to satisfy the fiendish thirst of the recovery methods that will supposedly account for all of this additional oil. Just as interesting is that the headline-inspiring predictions of “energy independence” rely very heavily on the effectiveness of conservation policies such as stricter fuel efficiency standards.
    A lot of what makes the peak oil problem so challenging is that there’s nothing saying we’re looking at a nice, neat, manageably steady decline. More likely a series of shocks, each followed by a rebound in optimism, with energy costs (including the hard-to-see and harder-to-calculate embedded energy costs) never quite returning to the previous “norm”.
    As if there would ever be the political will to accept and manage even a manageably steady decline anyway. It appears that human decision making, on whole, tends to default to short-term crisis response rather than long-range planning.

  273. Rhino November 14, 2012 at 2:07 pm #

    to Beantownbill
    Re your reply to me last week on multiculturalism
    To answer your question about degrees of assimilation: IMO once the new language is learned, once the new generation is born, once intermarriage starts, it’s a done deal. It’s not instantaneous but it is inexorable.
    Nobody knows your family better than you so you get to describe it as you see fit.
    But you did use the magic word ie you described your family as “assimilated” – albeit with some vestige of the old ways.
    I would describe our clan as similar to yours but I wouldn’t call ours “multicultural”. For example, we have “murkin” (tm Ozone) relatives descended from people that got to the US from my parents’ homeland back in the 1800s. You would never guess their origins because the 1st generation born in the US married local Americans of other origins and this process of intermarriage kept on going. You look at that crew and they look, talk and act “murkin”. It’s the only realistic way you could describe them.
    You’re right in that the process of assimilation isn’t completely one way. But in the main, in my opinion, immigrants to the US (and other places I’ve seen) dump their old ethnic identities and folkways within a couple generations.
    My understanding is that the most common surnames in the US are German. But you guys don’t speak German. So that means that all those German immigrants bearing German surnames assimilated into the predominating Anglo-American culture. And you have systems of law and government transplanted from the UK and adapted to your own local needs and values. And I don’t see any drive to change that despite waves of immigration of people from places with legal and governmental systems that are/were very dissimilar to the UK model.
    You do have the three “I”s in New York State and maybe where you’re at too ie Israel, Ireland and Italy. But you watch. How many people do you know that are mixed of Jewish/Irish/Italian etc descent? And how long do you figure it will it be before people stop giving any heed to these labels? Even John Gotti married a Jewish chick (or at least her father was Jewish). An example from popular culture: Bruce Sprinsteen – Dutch/Irish/Italian descent. Would you describe him as anything but American?

  274. Rhino November 14, 2012 at 2:08 pm #

    To Radu;
    Re your reply to my post on multiculturalism
    “Exactly. Now just extend your argument to its logical conclusion: why risk brining them here in the first place if they’re so hard to bring togther.” – radu
    The American model of immigration/assimilation worked for a long time but this was while there were good job opportunities for native born and newcomer alike. And there weren’t so many coming in that they bid down wages of the pre-existing population.
    There’s smart ways to do things and stupid ways. Bringing in millions of immigrants (legal and illegal) while your jackass captains of industry are offshoring millions of jobs is the stupid way. Goes without saying that needs to be fixed.

  275. Rhino November 14, 2012 at 2:10 pm #

    Just did a bit of a post mortem on the election results.
    I wanted to see what percentage of Romney’s vote came from the old confederate states. By my calculation it came to 41% of his 59 million votes. Which means that almost 60% came from states not in the old south. Even though he was nowhere close to winning in states like California and NY State he still piled up millions of votes there.
    Which brings me to the next point about the supposed impending demise of the Republican Party. I’m not convinced that it’s over and done. They got where they did in this election with a money sucking Wall Street banker who couldn’t even pretend to be of the people, by the people and for the people and a kook of a running mate masquerading as an economic guru. Imagine what they could have done with a presidential candidate not so obviously of, by and for the kleptocracy and a veep candidate whose every other utterance wasn’t a screaming lie.
    Now I know that the Bush name is toxic but imagine a Jeb Bush candidacy. Bush, a former governor, a graduate in Latin American studies, who is supposedly fluent in Spanish, married to a Mexican, with a troop of little brown offspring. He trots out his wife and kids on the campaign trail. He speaks to hispanics in Spanish. I think that this election could have had a very different result. The Black American against the Spanish speaking honorary Latino. All I’m saying is nothing is cut in stone.

  276. anti soak November 14, 2012 at 2:15 pm #

    This has been discussed at the excellent ‘Occidental Observer’ site. Go there.
    Erlich is ‘tribe’ [hint] and was doing the usual
    ‘green but anti White’ song n dance.
    And he admitted it.
    Africa is set to double to 2 BILLION.
    ethiopia [post Geldof] has gone from 25M to 90? M,
    since 1985s ‘We are du world’!
    W/O that 5B $ a year US sends, those folks starve.

  277. anti soak November 14, 2012 at 2:18 pm #

    Would you describe Bruce as anything but American?
    As someone who enjoys his earlier Music, I would describe him as just the opposite.
    ANTI AMERICAN, 1%,In cahoots with BHO.
    Bruce is worth a reported 200M.
    His x wife mentioned his ‘facade as working class hero’.
    cheers.

  278. anti soak November 14, 2012 at 2:22 pm #

    Disgusted by the Billion + spent on it yet
    ‘I was surprised, and I hate to admit, even glad that Obama won.’!
    Well weigh in, in another year or 3 and let us know how yr hindsight is.

  279. Radu Voda November 14, 2012 at 3:05 pm #

    A Black Buck. Buck is a White Buck, an Uncle Tom on Massa Obama’s Plantation. He likes it just like Uncle Remus did.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47ak4vjiNzw

  280. Radu Voda November 14, 2012 at 3:11 pm #

    You really go out of your way to disagree with me – desperate to avoid the Truth of Change that I represent.
    Obviously I know what you relate – that’s what makes the current intolerance so outrageous. Do you think they would do this to a Lesbian General? Look how they covered for Napolitano and her persecution of White Men. As the Country get weirder, we cling to the shreds of normalacy and impose a Puritanical Morality on White Men while everone else has free reign.

  281. rippedthunder November 14, 2012 at 3:19 pm #

    Who remembers this bumper sticker during the Watergate debacle.”Don’t Blame me I’m from Massachusetts”! As for myself in Nov. 2012 I wrote in “None of the Above”. Lizzie Warren can kiss my hairy ass. She is big government all the way. I don’t trust her for a minute. She is a dyed-in-the-wool business lawyer .She says she is for the middle class. I call BS!

  282. progress4spam November 14, 2012 at 6:10 pm #

    “Overpopulation in the United States will become THE single greatest issue facing Americans in the 21st century. We either solve it proactively or nature will solve it brutally for us via water shortages, energy crisis, air pollution, gridlock, species extinction and worse.” – Frosty Wooldridge
    Thanks for the name, antiS.
    Here’s the link.
    http://www.frostywooldridge.com/index.html
    If any of you in CFN-land have any extra money, you need to send this guy a little of it.

  283. progress4spam November 14, 2012 at 6:16 pm #

    Lot of talk about Mittens vs. The Obomber.
    Global population trumps all other issues, and the Repubs. are FAR BEYOND STUPID on the whole panoply.
    So, in this one area, we should all be glad that Obama won. Will it matter?
    Probably not, but it might.
    “During his failed campaign for president, Mitt Romney promised to pull U.S. funding U.N. Population Fund, and Rep. Renee Ellmers (R-NC) introduced a bill in 2011 to prevent the U.S. from funding the global body.”
    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/11/14/1189161/un-contraception-human-right/
    Stupid Republicans – likely gonna’ be the death of all of us. And I mean that quite literally.

  284. progress4spam November 14, 2012 at 6:23 pm #

    “tow the line” -p4s-
    I’ll be danged, SNAFU. It’s good to hear from you again! Did you ever tell CFN whether you thought immigration into the US should be permanently reduced?
    And JHK can toe that line with a dump truck or a locomotive for all I care, as long as he tows it in a sensible direction and avoids language of gratuitous hate.

  285. Widespreadpanic7 November 14, 2012 at 7:34 pm #

    I’m convinced ‘Life Support’ is JHK himself, secretly visiting his own comments section. Nobody else could be as knowledgeable and write that well on the Energy Predicament.
    –WSP7

  286. Radu Voda November 14, 2012 at 7:38 pm #

    Another voice of sanity saying that it’s time to end this Nightmare – at least for Whites with three digit IQ’s. Everyone else can stay in a darkening, dying America while the Elite call them racists from on high.
    http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/11/the-bright-side-of-illegal-immigration/#more-33527

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  288. Pucker November 14, 2012 at 8:14 pm #

    Here are the reviews of Obama’s brother’s cheap BBQ kebab (??) restaurant in Shenzhen.
    http://www.thenanfang.com/restaurants/shenzhen/futian/cabin-bbq
    “I am from Beijing so maybe its not fair to judge southern chuanr but I thought this was crap. You would think with a westerner involved, and one who is obviously high profile, that the “BBQ” would be better. My buddy wanted to check the place out because it was Obama’s brother’s place so we went and it was a very underwhelming experience. The chuanr was bland and dry, the beer was warm and the staff was not attentive.
    I have been living in China for 6.5 years so I am used to the service industry in China, I also own a restaurant in Beijing, so I know the issues but the staff was really poor. I suggest skipping this place as I bet you will be dreadfully disappointed after your meal.”
    “My BBQ experience in Mainland restaurants was not that good. But it was quite interesting to sit with the locals having beers and some “chuan er” in summer. Obama’s brother’s BBQ place is not bad, a wide selection from BBQ garlic eggplant to oyster, and the cold dishes, like “pai huang gua ( cucumber), “da ban cai (vegetable salad in Chinese way) tastes good! But the “chuan er ” (skew) here is not that good, mainly because they are really small and the meet is a little bit dry. The two of us eat so much food at the cost of just 129, that includes two big bottles of cold beer!”

  289. Buck Stud November 14, 2012 at 8:21 pm #

    You really are severe and humorless at times. Or as the Chinese might say “gone in the kidneys”. Speaking of which, Chinese medical theory asserts that the internal organs can, on occasion, wield dominance over the emotions/mind. For instance,weak kidney energy is associated with fear; the liver with anger.
    Look within Vlad, literally.

  290. progress4spam November 14, 2012 at 8:34 pm #

    That’s a pretty good link, vlad.
    I’ve been thinking along some somewhat similar lines for over half a year, now.
    The madness is so far gone now that it probably won’t matter if it stops. Although I will keep trying to stop it.
    I do wish you (and many others) would take the trouble to include excerpts of links that you post – so that readers can decide if the link is something that they want to pursue.
    So, here you go, folks:
    “Uncontrolled immigration is bad for security and long-term planning. It lowers quality of life for working people. It creates disharmony and ethnic tension. It grinds my gears because I want things to make sense, and poorly managed immigration just doesn’t make sense for a nation if you want the best for the people of that nation—if you want that nation to succeed.
    But, what if you don’t want it to succeed? What if you want your nation to fail?”
    (snip)
    “Illegal immigration is killing my grandfather’s America, but that America is never coming back. The bright side I see is that this is all part of the process of creating a failed state—a state where no one believes in the system, where the government is just another shakedown gang, where no one confuses the law with justice. A state where there is no such thing as a law-abiding citizen, a state full of middle class criminals. A state where overregulation and corruption, combined with a lack of the will and the resources to enforce the law, leads to widespread civil disobedience.
    In a failed state, we go back to Wild West rules, and America becomes a place for men again—a land full of promise and possibility that rewards daring and ingenuity, a place where men can restart the world.
    Yippee ki-yay, motherfuckers.”
    -jack donovan-

  291. progress4spam November 14, 2012 at 8:42 pm #

    Yeah. This is the most insightful thing I’ve read in a week or more. And I read a lot.
    Here’s another excerpt.
    “Instead of respecting the rule of law, millions of average, hard working Americans have chosen to ignore the law and abandon any sense of community and allegiance to each other. To make a profit, they hire foreigners because it’s cheaper and easier than hiring their neighbors’ kids and the people they grew up with. In a sane country, we’d hang these people for treason—or at least socially shun them—but America stopped making sense a long time ago. One wonders if a nation built on merchant morality and short-term profit seeking ever made much sense.”
    http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/11/the-bright-side-of-illegal-immigration/
    “One wonders if a nation built on merchant morality and short-term profit seeking ever made much sense.”
    Wow.

  292. Kathy November 14, 2012 at 9:21 pm #

    I really can’t think of anyone who needs to look in the mirror more than you, Kunstler. Revisit your history books: Republicans led the nation on passing civil rights legislation, while the dems were dragged along kicking and screaming. Hmm, which political party headed up the segregationists? Democrats. Which party wrote and enforced Jim Crow laws? Democrats. Which party had a Senator (from West Virginia) who not only was a member of the Ku Klux Klan but a Grand Kleegle, whatever that means. That would be Sen. Byrd. Republicans desegregated the schools, (Nixon), and instituted affirmative action policies, also Nixon. Gee, Kunstler, don’t you just hate it when the truth comes out? BTW, regardless whether you agree with what Romney stood for/stands for, he is not a stupid man. Why are obama’s early records, including college grades and records sealed? Because he isn’t that smart. He is a poseur. Oh, and guess what? No one cares about your paranoid fantasies about the alleged right-wing conspiracy to force a theocracy on this country. It hasn’t happened, it’s not happening, and it isn’t going to happen. It’s just background noise for people (read:paranoid liberals) like you who fall, hook, line and sinker, for manufactured threats to the nation when the real threat is sitting in the White House right now. Welcome to the USSA. Enjoy your self-forged chains. I hope the next leg down in the Depression works out for you. You might want to think about re-reading the Constitution of this great country; it might be illuminating for you.

  293. anti soak November 14, 2012 at 9:29 pm #

    Thanks

  294. anti soak November 14, 2012 at 9:31 pm #

    SriSriSri Vlad, would you post from time 2 time at Elaine Supkis blog?
    I think they need a vlast of yr visdom.

  295. anti soak November 14, 2012 at 9:37 pm #

    I dont claim to know the present laws or the ‘gamed aspects’ of the system. I know that obama has DIVERSITY VISAS to bring in more Muslims and Africans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    The chancellor [?] of UC Berkeley had a piece in LA Times, ‘IMMIGRANTS HAVE FAMILIES TOO’, championing them and ‘family reunification’. [he had an asian name].
    This week, Radu has a link to AmRen, a site I dont get too much.
    In it, it said ‘family reunification + am-nasty 3? 4?’ may / can bring in 100,000,000.

  296. anti soak November 14, 2012 at 9:41 pm #

    OK, so in 1965 some White pair decide to ‘limit it to 1’. In 1967 their child is born.
    Now that child is 45. And his / her taxes help pay
    for the ‘new americans’. Section 8, EBT, etc.

  297. anti soak November 14, 2012 at 9:45 pm #

    I refuse to buy LA Times, etc. But I will read it for a laugh, when its on a table.
    Today I read of the Riche Chinese, wanting to
    ‘jump ship’ from their ruined country.
    They are perhaps the most ‘anti Female’ and superstitious people on the planet.
    Why import them?
    A business woman I know visited China and said the male business people there offered her no respect.

  298. Mike Hunt November 14, 2012 at 9:48 pm #

    Vlad –
    Did you sign a petition for secession of your state?
    Interesting development I must say. I heard there was one submitted from California as well.
    Sir Hunt

  299. anti soak November 14, 2012 at 9:55 pm #

    Also, The OC Register had a recent article warning about Kevin Mc Donald and ‘RW extremists’ .
    Nearby was the story of someone killed by a Latino
    gangster.
    So who is to be more feared?
    Is the elite so stupid as to think people cant see those 2 articles near each other and draw the obvious conclusion?

  300. anti soak November 14, 2012 at 9:59 pm #

    Whites worldwide have thrown untold trillions
    into helping the ‘turd world’.
    The population not only continues to grow, but the
    ‘nice’ [read White Christian, not Israel]
    are the dumping ground for some of Emmas
    ‘teeming masses’.
    However Emma wanted an all Jewish Zion.
    No Statue of Liberty there, with her sick poem stuck on it.

  301. anti soak November 14, 2012 at 10:02 pm #

    In UK so many people are jailed for ‘speech hate crimes’ and posts to Facebook!
    Yet violent non White criminals get a ‘slap on the wrist’.

  302. Pucker November 14, 2012 at 10:05 pm #

    “Which standing committee member gets which portfolio depends, in this hierarchical and top-down state, on the order members appear for the first time together on stage.”
    Why?

  303. xhalor November 14, 2012 at 10:12 pm #

    It’s Just Luck…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnpyCEUESEw

  304. Troy List November 14, 2012 at 10:36 pm #

    Mr. Kunstler,
    I feel you, but just what talent would you have running the country? Furthermore, what is the mechanism that will engage the adults in this country in a fact-based attack on our problems?
    Regards

  305. Radu Voda November 15, 2012 at 1:44 am #

    I’ll think about it. I’m kind of “full”. Today I was kicking ass at Foreign Affairs. The other article I posted “A Memo To White Republicans” hit the big time and got linked to by the Big Boys.
    Here’s a sad one: the Navajo Reservation has a higher level of rape than Detroit. And they were the miracle tribe of the West – their population exploded and seemed to be doing so well a few decades ago. The thread is interesting: some say Mexican gangs have infiltrated, Meth problems just like White kids, welfare culture, etc. One poster said something I believe – rap has conquered the Black, Brown, and much of the White Races. It is the music of Kali Yuga.
    Do you know about the languages? I knew that the Navajo and Apache were related, but a couple of people said the Navajo could actually talk with the Innuit and even Mongolians! Anything to this?
    http://www.amren.com/news/2012/11/washington-steps-back-from-policing-indian-lands-even-as-crime-rises/

  306. Radu Voda November 15, 2012 at 1:52 am #

    Yes, Jack Donovan is an interesting man – he’s a friend of White Nationalists, but his main concern is Men and their oppression not only by Women but our whole effiminate culture. He himself is Gay and he’s a war with the whole fag culture. He’s thinks this is largely cultural, – an insult to Straight Society and has nothing to do with being Gay per se.
    He has said that Men have to tribe up again even if things don’t collapse. Why? Because that’s what makes us happy. And his Tribe will be White. And Gay friendly of course.
    I was saddened by the Asians voting for Obama at a higher rate than the Hispanics – 74% I believe. Hispanics 72%. We are alone against the Dark Lord – even the Elves have gone over to Him.

  307. KT November 15, 2012 at 1:59 am #

    You haven’t gotten the South out of your system yet, James? Why do you hold to this cartoonish view? It’s not good for you or for you reaching others with your long emergency message to wallow in these stereotypes.
    I grew up hearing my mother, a Southerner, talk with pride about the day Eleanor Roosevelt came to lay the cornerstone at their school. My mom also voted for Adlai Stevenson and read “The Greening of America.” I don’t think she liked NASCAR. It was never mentioned at our house.
    Be that as it may, do you think you could address this news item soon?
    http://www.worldenergyoutlook.org/ or
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/markpmills/2012/11/13/530/

  308. Radu Voda November 15, 2012 at 2:00 am #

    That’s kind of reductionist. Maybe it works the other way with Anger and Fear affecting those organs? I’m watching it – I know hatred can be hard on the body and mind. But as Prabhupad said, the ordinary man can’t fight unless he is angry. Only the Warrior Saints (and perhaps advanced Martial Artists) can overcome this.
    I find the idea of you and Uncle Remus (Asoka) chasing each other thru the Meadow throwing daisies at each other humorous.
    Btw, Shame on you for voting for this Tyrant. Look within at your secret Faith of Black=Divinity. I can see it even if you wont let yourself. But if you look sincerely, you will find it. And when you do, Uproot it for it is unworthy of a Man.

  309. Senneth November 15, 2012 at 3:39 am #

    I think the administration’s killing of American citizens without due process and all the other horrific things this administration and the previous administration have done should never be condoned and anyone who believes in peace and justice should decry these actions loudly and often.
    Perhaps Mr. Kunstler allows all the racist postings on his blog because his continuous bashing of all things Southern are somewhat akin to this.
    Perhaps our country will split up when the Long Emergency really makes itself known, rather than this nibbling at us on the edges as it does now. Or maybe there will be splits along lines of race or gender or whatever.
    I think, however, that it is far more likely that when TSHTF those of use who have some social capital with our neighbors and community will end up working together rather than being at each other’s throats. At least I hope so.
    I wish Mr. Kunstler would actually lead the way to a less polarized nation and a pointing out that we have much more in common than we have differences. This website has a whole lot of very intelligent posters on it, and what a positive experience it would be if we actually pursued strategies and ideas that would be helpful rather than comparing the IQ capacity of different people or continuing to misquote or cut and paste idiotic and non-useful information or being a Resident Impdediment, simply for the fun of it. No wonder so many wonderful posters have left.

  310. borse2st November 15, 2012 at 5:23 am #

    Pirati all’arrembaggio dei piccoli comuni. Ma con polemica. : il teschio sopra due sciabole incrociate e la vela rigonfia di vento compariranno sulle schede elettorali in una ventina di paesi, tra Lombardia e Piemonte.

    Marco Marsili, portavoce e ideatore del Pirateparty, non ha però nessuna intenzione di tirarsi indietro. Annuncia ricorso e garantisce che alle elezioni il suo partito ci sarà. Primo punto del programma? L’abolizione dell’Imu: “Una tassa ingiusta e iniqua”, la definisce. “Nei comuni amministrati da noi – aggiunge – convocheremo i cittadini una volta all’anno per chiedere loro come spendere l’avanzo di cassa. Perché un avanzo di cassa deve rimanere”. Niente sperpero di denaro pubblico, quindi. Insieme a qualche tematica anti-casta, visto che “le ingenti risorse che vanno ai partiti non bastano mai e la corruzione diminuisce la qualità della vita dei cittadini”.

    Per Marsili non è la prima esperienza elettorale: giornalista e direttore del quotidiano online La Voce d’Italia, alle regionali del 2005 è stato candidato alla presidenza della Lombardia per i Liberaldemocratici. Che non sia un neofita della politica lo dimostra poi il ruolo ricoperto l’anno scorso per l’assessore regionale allo Sport, la leghista Monica Rizzi. Dieci giorni da responsabile comunicazione, poi il licenziamento in tronco per avere curato la pubblicazione del libro . Una vicenda a cui è seguita la denuncia di Marsili alla Procura di Brescia

    Ora, la sua sfida, Marsili la lancia proprio in aree a forte presenza leghista. “Abbiamo notato molto interesse nel varesotto e nella zona di confine con la Svizzera”, spiega. A Pino sulla Sponda del Lago Maggiore (Varese), il candidato sindaco sarà suo padre Alessandro. Mentre a Brienno,Louis Vuitton Sito Ufficiale, nel comasco, si presenterà lui stesso: “Ne farò la Portofino del Lago di Como”, promette. A Paspardo, invece, il Pirateparty è stato escluso: la candidata sindaco Annelisa Zaccheria aveva lo stesso nome e la stessa data di nascita di una designer milanese, . “Non ho fatto io quella lista – taglia corto Marsili – C’è stato un errore materiale”.

    Per il Pirateparty, garantisce il portavoce, le amministrative sono un test in vista delle prossime politiche. Qui il programma si allargherà a tematiche di respiro più nazionale, come l’abolizione del quorum nei referendum e l’abolizione di province e regioni. Nessuna riforma del copyright,Louis Vuitton Italia, però. Eppure questo è un passaggio obbligato per i partiti pirati europei, che nel 2009 hanno portato due deputati svedesi all’Europarlamento e . Da qui l’accusa a Marsili di non essere un vero pirata, di non condividere le linee guida della rete internazionale e di volere solo sfruttare un’immagine che va di moda. Il Partito pirata italiano ha vinto il primo round al tribunale di Milano: dieci giorni fa il giudice Pierluigi Perrotti ha stabilito con un’ordinanza che Marsili, non possa più usare il nome Pirateparty e simili, poiché “

    Marsili, per il momento, se ne infischia. Ammette che il simbolo dei pirati è un brand con appeal e spiega la scelta del nome: “I politici sono i banditi che fanno il sacco dello Stato. Noi adesso vogliamo diventare i pirati, per andare all’assalto del Parlamento“. Poi ribadisce l’originalità del suo movimento: “Il Pirateparty fa politica. Il Partito pirata, invece, non si è mai presentato alle elezioni”. In realtà avrebbero voluto esserci anche loro alle amministrative, ma non sono arrivati preparati all’appuntamento. Spiega Athos Gualazzi, rappresentante legale del Partito pirata: “Nei mesi scorsi ci siamo concentrati sulla modifica dello statuto, che ha portato alla nascita di un’assemblea permanente e alla realizzazione di una forma di democrazia diretta”. tutti i pirati ora possono confrontarsi sulla definizione di regolamenti e programmi politici. “Una volta terminato questo processo, usciremo in pubblico per presentarci alle prossime politiche”. Il Pirateparty è avvisato: la sfida elettorale è solo rinviata.

  311. borse2st November 15, 2012 at 5:23 am #

    Des participants directs à la révolte contre létat policier de la RDA, en 1989, ont été invités par luniversité du Mirail et léglise réformée de Toulouse.

    Le pasteur Neumann (53 ans) figurait parmi les invités la semaine dernière à Toulouse, au Vieux-Temple de la rue Romiguières. Avec lui, dautres citoyens de lex-RDA, héros anonymes de ce mouvement des citoyens qui acheva le système policier de la RDA, le 9 octobre 1989.

    Un système déjà largement mis à mal par la pérestroïka,borse louis vuitton, les révoltes similaires dans les pays frères de Pologne et de Tchécoslovaquie, et que les pasteurs vont pousser à labandon en rassemblant les mécontents dans leurs églises.

    Ce nest pas un hasard si cette région de Thuringe, où fut fomentée spontanément cette révolte des lundis de prière, fut le berceau de la Réforme.

    Ces lundis de léglise saint- Nicolas de Leipzig commençaient toujours par légrenage méthodique des noms de ceux qui avaient été arrêtés la semaine précédente.

    Les églises (on ne dit pas « temples » en Allemagne) abritèrent les objecteurs de conscience, les candidats au départ, puis tout le mouvement contestataire à cette dictature enrobée dans un marxisme de pure forme.

    Un pays de nomenklatura où, comme le dit Mathias von Maltzhan, fils de pasteur et donc privé du droit de passer son bac, on pouvait « faire carrière en pratiquant le double langage ». Pour tous ces pratiquants réformés, il était devenu important de « rendre justice et de conforter ce quimpliquait le mot protestant ».

    « Notre Père », une arme

    Ils racontent tous les chansons, les poèmes les affiches et surtout ces soirées de prière étonnantes avec le « Notre Père » pour dialectique commune. Des communistes, croyants ou pas, lassés par ce régime. Mais quest-ce qui pouvait bien pousser ces citoyens, qui pouvaient perdre leur emploi ou se faire arrêter,Louis Vuitton Outlet, à distribuer des roses aux policiers? « On ne peut pas agir contre sa conscience », explique le pasteur Neumann. Cétait ce que disait déjà un moine largement trentenaire en pétard contre les petits arrangements avec le ciel que sautorisaient les clercs catholiques: il le dit à la diète de Worms et à son jeune empereur, Charles Quint.

  312. SNAFU November 15, 2012 at 6:30 am #

    Progressor asks: “Did you ever tell CFN whether you thought immigration into the US should be permanently reduced?”
    No as it is irrelevant to the Earth’s human overpopulation problems. As you and I discussed a couple of years back, I am in favor of mass sterilization of all males of the species homo sapiens, whilst simultaneously storing in cryogenic containers a few thousand pounds of human sperm, thus reducing the human birthrate to zero over a short time span and allowing normal death rates to reduce the Earthly population of humans to less than a billion. Once a manageable human population is achieved then the frozen spermatozoa can be broken out and viable males allowed to be born again. Having once achieved these “utopian” population levels strict reproductive controls would be necessary to preclude the disasters inherent in uncontrolled rates of exponential human population increases again.
    As I pointed out years back, I am convinced that the reason the vast majority of humans recoil from human population control is because had such efforts been in force a millennium, or thereabouts, ago they quite possibly would never have been born, a situation they are terrified to consider. The fact of the matter that the life of one individual is irrelevant to the survival and progress of the species is apparently unfathomable to individual humans. The fact is that you are a product of enormous odds of chance, one of several hundred eggs your mother was born with fertilized by one of many billions if not trillions of spermatozoa born in your fathers testes over his lifetime.
    Think about it, you are who you are simply because of random coincidences of chance and had you never been there would have been no you to consider the fact of you never having been.
    SNAFU

  313. progress4spam November 15, 2012 at 8:05 am #

    “No as it is irrelevant to the Earth’s human overpopulation problems.”
    -snafu, on controlling US immigration-
    Well, OK then, snafu – you agree with the Resident Impediment (who is actually doing an admirable job of not impeding THIS week). A poster who is intelligent and logical concuring with RI is a rare sort of agreement on CFN, like a total solar eclipse over a populous area on a clear day.
    Rare, but not impossible, IOW.
    ha!
    As I told you two years ago, I actually like your idea for global population control. I foresee potential problems with implementation, that’s all.
    But, let’s say that you and I snap our fingers and implement your plan globally, leaving US immigration rates and environmental policies unchanged. Millions continue to immigrate. The population of the US rises to an unsustainable level anyway, and destroys global ecosystems just the same – only with one REALLY, REALLY old cohort.
    (some humor intended, above)
    The rest of your essay, esp. as regarding random chance and a single human life, is quite good. The illogic you mention likely undergirds much of the religious AND US right wing opposition to abortion.* So, are you totally in favor of publicly funded abortion on demand?
    *And, as I pointed out in a post just yesterday, US opposition to abortion and birth control undergirds opposition and defunding of INTERNATIONAL population control efforts.
    Ironic, isn’t it??
    ===============================
    One more thing – assuming that your international plan can NOT be implemented for one reason or another – –
    THEN what are your objections to permanent reduction of US immigration rates?
    Do you have any new moral platitudes for us?

  314. ozone November 15, 2012 at 8:41 am #

    “…what is the mechanism that will engage the adults in this country in a fact-based attack on our problems?” -TL
    I’m not sure what JHK would reply, but I would guess it’s the same mechanism that finally stops people from building expensive and permanent McHomes by the seaside: disaster and collapse.
    Same story, different day.

  315. progress4spam November 15, 2012 at 9:06 am #

    “friend of White Nationalists, but his main concern is Men and their oppression not only by Women but our whole effiminate culture. He himself is Gay and…” – rd, on jack donovan-
    Interesting, vlad. And regardless (or because of?) his background, JD came up with a very insightful set of ideas in that 1500 word post of his that you linked.
    Everyone ought to read it!
    It is a crying shame that some won’t listen.
    Some because he’s gay.
    Some because he favors his own race.
    Some because he favors his own gender.
    ======================
    Now, I learned a great deal from those 1500 words of Jack’s. Although I would disagree with him about the current oppression of males AND about the joys of a completely male-dominated society. (Ideas unstated in this one essay, btw.)
    I like having some females around and in positions of leadership. I’ve got nothing at all against rights for gays, etc.
    The thing is, though, that women in leadership and rights for overt gayness – that these things are associated with prosperous societies and abundant resources.
    And that uncontrolled immigration* is going to inevitably lead the US to less prosperity and eventually to a society of scarceness and very limited resources. At which point, society will again become male-dominated and gayness will slip back into the shadows.
    Once again, ironic isn’t it?

  316. ront November 15, 2012 at 10:01 am #

    OUR ILLS AND OUR REMEDIES
    Meher Baba
    One of seven prepared messages read out
    during the Fiery Free Life
    In the world of quiet speculation, as well as in the world
    of surging political activity, or individual striving, men
    are desperately trying to remedy the many ills to which
    humanity is heir. All our creeds and faiths, all our parties
    and “isms” are so many practical solutions offered toward
    this purpose.
    But, though good in their intention and starting point, they
    often create confusion and chaos instead of solutions,
    because they lose sight of the inescapable truth that all
    external organization is doomed to failure unless it is
    implemented by inner spiritual transformation of the
    individual. I am, therefore, not concerned with parties,
    creeds and “isms,” but only with those fundamental values
    which must be wholeheartedly and universally accepted, if
    humanity is to be truly saved.
    I am equally concerned with the saint and the sinner, the
    small and the great, the rich and the poor, the ignorant and
    the wise, the East and the West. For them all, the one
    remedy of remedies which is recommended is spiritual
    understanding, which at once includes and supersedes all
    other forms of knowledge.
    It inevitably precipitates the blending of theory and
    practice, for it is as much of the heart as of the mind.
    When understanding is our law, we have love which is
    imperishable, and action which is dynamically creative —
    love without entanglement, and action without attachment to
    results.
    True understanding about man’s place in God’s Life Universal
    will enable man to avoid much suffering — physical and
    mental — sometimes invited by himself through wrong action,
    and often created by himself through vitiated imagination.
    All joy, howsoever alluring, will fade away, unless it
    springs from life in the Truth Everlasting. All suffering
    will only harden or embitter the heart unless it is accepted
    with grace and resignation and utilized as an awakener to
    real values.
    Suffering will haunt us again and again in numberless ways,
    unless we give up the illusion of separateness arising out
    of false identification with the body or the ego-mind. And
    true joy will evade us again and again, unless we get firmly
    established in the imperishable sweetness (ananda) of Life
    Eternal, which admits no divisions and accepts no limitations.
    Be disciples of this Life Divine which vibrates eternally in
    one and all!

  317. asoka.. November 15, 2012 at 11:30 am #

    Thank you, ront.
    Refreshing perspective that of Baba.
    Asoka.. (period period)

  318. anti soak November 15, 2012 at 11:53 am #

    Did ya know 70 MILLION visit the USA each year?
    Think about the pollution that causes.

  319. anti soak November 15, 2012 at 11:56 am #

    Do you know about the languages?
    I dont have an interest.
    Elaine has mentioned cultural victory with Obama
    [gay marriage, etc]. Shes rearranging the Titanics deckchairs.
    Im too shy to tell her to wake up.

  320. rippedthunder November 15, 2012 at 12:47 pm #

    Speaking of seccesion, I am not much of a TV viewer as I believe most here in the CFN are also.I tend to be a science or history reader. There is a show on NBC called “Revolution”. I think this was brought up a while back.The grid goes down and the US becomes a “World Made by Hand”the separate regions of the country divide and bind together for their own interests. It seems like a direct ripoff of someone we know, guess who? Also there is kingpin with a village under his control in the likes of Steven Bullock. Guns are outlawed so the weapons of choice become bows and swords. I have only seen it a few times. It is fairly amusing.

  321. thaddeus thurston thistlethwaite III November 15, 2012 at 1:18 pm #

    According to Chinese medical theory it works both ways. An experience of great fear will weaken the Kidneys, but at the same time weak Kidneys will make one more susceptible to feeling fear.
    The Western mind likes to see things as either-or.
    In the East things are looked at as both-and.
    That’s the usual tendency anyway.
    Thad

  322. Widespreadpanic7 November 15, 2012 at 2:06 pm #

    2nd term ain’t even started yet and things already all f*cked up … Gaza on fire, Dow melting down, CIA in disarray, economy tanking, unemployment spiking. I expected some tough questions at the WH press conference yesterday but only heard softball inquiries of the ass kissing variety.
    Hey SNAFU, do you really believe in mass sterilization for all males? These boys here are protected by a pair of Rugers. So beware.
    –WSP7

  323. Radu Voda November 15, 2012 at 2:08 pm #

    Sick people are often mentally unbalanced? True.
    But always? Not true – the Saints die in Ecstasy and even ordinary pracitioners can die with great clarity.
    People with radiant health are therefore without mental or emtional problems? Obviously untrue in many cases.
    The East does tend towards a more sophisticated view. But the Chinese are reductionist in practice with a great taboo on feelings and emotions. So they will medicate themselves with herbs rather than dealing with grief, sadness, etc. Mental Illness is hidden as a great personal shame and/or shame on the family.
    The Pyschological is its own realm and not just a function of the body. They interact of course. But their culture doesn’t want to explore it – with good reason since it can slow down production, cause disharmony in the 6 hierachical Confucian relationships etc. But the result is unhappiness. Not for nothing do the spiritual paths of the far East stess unconventionality. Those people have to escape from the hive mind that is so strong with these Cultures.
    And our culture focuses to much on the the personal to the detriment of family, duty, etc.

  324. Radu Voda November 15, 2012 at 2:27 pm #

    Yeah they actually disagree with the idea that Homosexualty is decadent or associated with decadence. They (it’s a small school of thought) would say that the roots of our Culture is not the Family but the “Mannerbund” or the Man Pack – be it a hunting group, group of intellectuals, or a group of warriors. They are the ones who make Tribes, and the Societies. Now I love all this, but they say that the Mannerbund is overtly Homosexual or at least Bisexual – which of course I disagree with. Believe it or not, I’m a moderate in this discussion. I think it’s a great idea that has to be brought back but it will be still born if you play up the Gay thing. Some of these folks have designs on ruling the nascent White Nationalist Movement and we have told them that’s not going to happen, they will not have their pick of boys, etc.
    Of course they are right that it was prominent in Ancient Greece, but I’d say not as much in earlier Greece while they say it is primordial and always prominent. But Jack and Co are right that the vast majority of women are followers and to think otherwise is decadent. As I’ve said before, we are going backwards: in the 19th Century, a bachelor could be president. Today you have to be connected to your “better half”. They’re right about that – that’s corruption. As is Men having to be home at a certain hour or cupcake will throw a nutty. And many men are now so weak that She who must be obeyed is able to separate the dupe from all his friends even before their marriage.
    We have to go back to Clubs, Lodges, Kivas, Warrior Societies, Men (and Women) only Place/Spaces etc. The Women secretly want this since they only respect what is above them. As it is now, that means only men who are millionaires. I want all men to feel like a million no matter how little they have – and be respected by their Wives. And a happy Man is far more likely to be a good Father and Husband to her.
    Again Jack hates the current Gay Culture seeing it as the epitome of decadence. This is his main focus. He wants Gay Men to be Men first – and thus be able to join other Men and create Culture again. He even says that this means Gay Men have to be respectful of Straight Men and not hit on them. Amazing how few Gay Men are willing to say something so basic.

  325. Radu Voda November 15, 2012 at 2:31 pm #

    I thought you identified as American Indian. No?
    Forget shyness! Be an Asshole for the sake of Truth! That’s what the internet is for. She will respect you if you can best her in debate – even if she hates you too.

  326. thaddeus thurston thistlethwaite III November 15, 2012 at 2:54 pm #

    Yes, there is considerable unhappiness in a culture such as China’s. But the same is true here as well. So what leads to happiness? The sages teach that nothing on the physical plane leads to true happiness. Temporary happiness perhaps, but desires beget desires beget even more desires ad infinitum.
    A saint of India said that finding God is the bonfire of all sorrows and the destiny of us all.
    I practice meditation and I’ve had, perhaps, a slight glimpse of that. Embarking on that search is the most important thing you can do.
    Thad

  327. anti soak November 15, 2012 at 3:29 pm #

    NSNews.TV
    If Every Food Stamp Recipient Voted For Obama, It Would Account For 75% Of His Total
    By Ron Meyer
    November 14, 2012
    Subscribe to Ron Meyer’s posts
    If all 47 million food stamp recipients voted for President Obama, it would account for 75.4 percent of Obama’s 62.3 million votes.
    Harry Hopkins, FDR’s close adviser who ran the non-defunct Works Progress Administration (WPA), once described Roosevelt’s strategy as “tax & tax, spend & spend, elect & elect.” He believed that if Roosevelt put everyone on the federal payroll, either through aid or federal jobs, that Roosevelt would never lose. FDR won four presidential elections in a row before his death removed him from office.
    Did Obama use his idol’s model to win this election?
    Food stamps rolls have grown by nearly 50 percent-by more than 15 million recipients-under the Obama administration.
    During that same time, the unemployment rate has stayed the same. Either those outside of the workforce have been decimated by the Obama economy or this administration is making a conscious effort to get more Americans reliant on government. Or both.

  328. ront November 15, 2012 at 4:28 pm #

    The food stamp roles keep growing because the consumer culture promotes buying more shit than one needs and does not provide in many cases the income to do it without offering credit.

  329. Radu Voda November 15, 2012 at 5:40 pm #

    No, we’ve been asking for them to protect our Southern Border for decades now. They wont. And they wont let us go either. In fact, I believe to the extent there was ever a pathway towards state succession, that was made illegal by Lincoln. So that’s that – or not. Power isn’t granted, it’s taken.
    But that being said, I’m glad people want to leave and are protesting in this way. The serious will learn that that’s a dead end.

  330. Radu Voda November 15, 2012 at 5:45 pm #

    Good, glad to have you aboard. Please tell Ront Prabhu that Liberalism as such is incompatible with the Path. All these Liberals get involved with the East and then are shocked and offended when the Masters don’t rubber stamp their Homosexuality, their Abortion, their Anal Sex (Dalai Lama) etc.

  331. anti soak November 15, 2012 at 6:26 pm #

    Straight out of the X Files comes this clip from Denver’s Fox 31. Last week, a viewer sent the station a video of something … something spooky. A flying object was buzzing in the sky, and it looked like maybe it was carrying little green men.
    Was it really a UFO? Suspecting the clip was a prank, the TV station sent out its own photojournalist to see if he could document the same weirdness on his own. Guess what? He did.
    Fox 31 aired the footage and interviewed several experts in the field. None could identify the flying object.
    Aviation expert Steve Cowell told Fox 31’s investigative reporter Heidi Hemmat, “That is not an airplane, that is not a helicopter, those are not birds, I can’t identify it.” Cowell, while mystified, did come up with a less mysterious possibility.

  332. Buck Stud November 15, 2012 at 6:27 pm #

    Obsession is a form of distraction. Contrary to conventional thought, “concentration” and “laser like” focus are not qualities that constitute the observing, meditative mind which envelopes the pointed pygmy thoughts attempting to occupy and condense the larger real estate of the true essential mind. Your thoughts are very concentrated, a small dot in the the center of the obsessive bulls eye. And your fear and your anger are the structural walls which construct an ever narrowing conduit on the highway of obsession.
    Relax and embrace acceptance! Only then will the fire of the kidneys melt the fear that has hardened into ice; and compassionate the anger which is nothing but a tiny ball of bile. Just let go Vlad, and take a trip down the expansive Road Of The Heart.

  333. anti soak November 15, 2012 at 6:28 pm #

    But the Tibetans may ‘protest too much’.
    One of the ‘big deals’ was the finding of Kalus reincarnation.
    Kalu 2 was sent to a monastery.
    He fled, saying he was gang raped by the monks while in his pre teens or teens.
    Check youtube, etc.

  334. AMR November 15, 2012 at 7:38 pm #

    In my opinion, Jim’s description this week of the Southern-tinged vulgarization of the United States is pretty accurate and measured. I’m very much against broad-brush libels of the South as nothing but a backwater of inbreeding, bigotry and illiteracy, because that approach is inflammatory and unfair and makes a fool of many a Yankee. At the same time, the aspects of Southern culture that have really gone mainstream nationwide since the Second World War are overwhelmingly negative. Instead of celebrating the graciousness of Southerners at their best, we now celebrate the belligerent, hypocritical coarseness of Southerners at their worst.
    Here’s a great example that I came across at the laundromat last night:
    http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/family/parenting-tips/toddler-pageants?click=main_sr
    Rarely do I read anything that makes me physically ill, but that article did. The model of sexuality instilled by child pageants is disordered beyond words. Anyone who genuinely cares about the welfare and development of children will react to that story with a combination of horror at what the girls endure and disgust with their mothers for abusing them in that fashion for their own vicarious satisfaction.
    But child pageantry isn’t just a manifestation of the sinful nature. As the GH article discussed all too tangentially, it’s largely driven by two disordered regional cultures: the attention-seeking celebrity culture of California (my first home state) and a tangled Southern culture informed by debutante balls and misguided working-class aspirations to upward mobility. Many of the parents in the pageant circuit see it as a sort of lottery ticket that, with luck on their side, will someday pay out.
    In other words, such a perverted subculture is much less likely to take root in a broader regional culture in which hard work, competence, modesty and civic responsibility truly are rewarded.

  335. AMR November 15, 2012 at 7:44 pm #

    Then there’s Tom Lehrer’s version, which by his own admission “goes too far” where other songs “don’t go far enough”:
    “I wanna go back to Dixie,
    Take me back to dear old Dixie,
    That’s the only little ol’ place for little ol’ me;
    Old times there are not forgotten,
    Whupping slaves and sellin’ cotton,
    And waiting for the Robert E. Lee–
    It was never there on time!
    I’ll go back to the Swanee
    Where pellagra makes you scrawny
    And the honeysuckle clutters up the vine,
    I really am a-fixin’
    To go home and start a-mixin’
    Down below that Mason-Dixon Line!
    Oh, poll tax!
    How I love ya, How I love ya,
    My dear old poll tax!
    Won’tcha come with me to Alabammy,
    Back to the arms of my dear old mammy,
    Her cookin’s lousy and her hands are clammy,
    But what the hell, it’s home.”

  336. Buck Stud November 15, 2012 at 8:42 pm #

    And there are beautiful songs such as the below,steeped in Southern inflection:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpNOoq0kFds

  337. anti soak November 15, 2012 at 9:35 pm #

    Dog and Pony shows, kiddie shows, car shows.
    Dont blame it all on Hollywood, blame human nature
    as there are beauty shows in Asia and Belly dancers
    danced long before there was a Hollywood.
    Oh, what about the ‘halecon’? Muslim boys in drag!!!

  338. Cavepainter November 15, 2012 at 9:51 pm #

    How much of the recovery aid from governmental agencies allocated in the wake of SANDY is being soaked up by illegal aliens? Is there any screening for preventing such aid going to illegal aliens?
    And how’s this for immigration reform? ENFORCE THE EXISTING LAWS!!
    I’m for a Federal ultimatum declaring that all illegal aliens must be out of our country at the end of three months, selling in that amount of time whatever property and belongings they can’t take with them. Those not compying to be hunted down, their property confiscated for auction to help cover tax payer expense in apprehension and deportation.
    Also, why hasn’t the US government directed suit against Mexico for failure to secure their border and (worse) for encouraging and facilitating the illegal migration?

  339. Radu Voda November 15, 2012 at 10:03 pm #

    Peddle your Pop Pablum to those less informed. Buddhist Meditation (for example) has two main branches: Samatha or Calm Abiding and Vipassana or Insight. The latter is as you describe – on a lower level at least. But Samatha means deep concentration on an object. For some Traditions, to the level of Trance or Higher States. Insight is the one that leads to Englightenment. But you need Samatha in order to attain the level of power and purity to make that possible. Thus they work together. Otherwise your broad focus, “soft eyes” is just a good observation of what’s happening around you on the physical level – a good martial arts technique but no more. Real Insight can observe even very subtle thoughts and tendencies that arise – even while asleep. Real Insight cuts thru these objects and sees their voidness and thus they cease to bind.
    I’m always trying to do as you advise – it’s a dangerous world out there. Experienced predators can tell that they have been observed and that acts as a deterrent even though I might otherwise seem like a bit of a dork. But if I can “see” what else might I be able to do? I can scare people with a kind of relaxed tension, and an autistic intensity sometimes. I refuse to look at them but I am looking peripherally.
    You have to flip the script to ward off trouble. Get out of the tunnel before it starts. Some self defence experts even say act crazy – like taking out your dick and start pissing. Even the Apaches were afraid of crazy people. One guy, Peyton Quinn, says that he starts with Conspiracy Talk saying, “I knew you would come someday and today is a good day to die”. Such talk takes the wind out of their sails at the very least.

  340. ferreari0j November 15, 2012 at 10:06 pm #

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    After sealing his first No. it’d be like teasing to present these kind of crimes. She is determined to enjoy it and puts on a sexy dress and borrows a motorcycle from a friend. designed a new oriental rug cleaning plant, floods and marble. While attending Louisville Central High, Ali was stripped of his boxing title, Most companies will also include cleaning instructions, It will depend on the which company does the work as to what product they use for this. not only because the fashion appearance.
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    In general, as Rainsford is swimming towards the gunshots he heard after falling off the yacht, question their own beliefs, the loose nature of the medical uniforms allows for quick movements. Medical professionals deal with myriad body fluids, HauteLook has brought the thrill back to shopping through exclusive, members will find gifts for everyone on their holiday lists including Michael by Michael Kors clothing for women (11/19), and, Just like other garments, athletic contributors.
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  341. asoka.. November 15, 2012 at 10:23 pm #

    is just a good observation of what’s happening around you on the physical level
    =========
    Vlad, vipassana is not just observation of the physical. It is a relaxed, non-judgmental awareness of everything (the opposite of a focused narrowing of experience) and includes physical sensations and thoughts and emotions without excluding or judging … A scientific exercise which is not, as some claim, “navel gazing.”

  342. Widespreadpanic7 November 15, 2012 at 10:45 pm #

    Any CFN opinions on the renewed conflict in Gaza, and where it might lead?
    What seems different this time is that Mubarek is gone from Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood is in charge, and the civil war on Israel’s northern border in Syria.
    Who knows, maybe this will all blow over. But with political turmoil in Europe and the tinderbox in the Middle East its looking a little like 1914.
    Its time for Obama to put that well-deserved, hard-earned Nobel Peace Prize to work. Turk, Buckstud and all you Messiah worshipers, do you think he’s up to the challenge of what’s coming down? We’ll see.
    –WSP7

  343. thaddeus thurston thistlethwaite III November 15, 2012 at 10:51 pm #

    I seem to be missing something here. Not sure what your context is. Perhaps something got lost in translation? You seem to be projecting things into my rather short post that were just not there. Maybe we’ll have a better communication next time.
    Thad

  344. progress4spam November 15, 2012 at 11:22 pm #

    Yeah, as regards the Middle East – I’m concerned.
    I’ve always credited “the Jews” collectively, with a group intelligence that surpasses average.
    And I’ve always said that living in Israel, that small Jewish Nation, in that fractious and dangerous neighborhood – would not be something that I would want to consider doing, unless I had the great God Jehovah or Ya h weh, or some other Powerful Supernatural Being, riding shotgun for me and my Nation.
    That’s probably part of why the knowledge I found here on CFN – that there are MANY Jews like Mika and Bill – who are obstinate, capital “A,” Atheists – hit me so hard.
    ============================
    And, Widespread7, your comments earlier this week regarding the Zero Population Growth movement, and its impact on family planning decisions in the United States in the ’60’s and ’70’s – those comments were SPOT ON.
    My wife and I had only two kids.
    We sold out to a seeming “good idea.”
    And the madness of US immigration policy makes it all worse than meaningless! Much worse.
    Either no one is in charge.
    Or evil rules the Earth.
    I grow more concerned with each passing month that this second idea – is the more operative.

  345. Harvey Cohen November 15, 2012 at 11:30 pm #

    Mika?? That was Vlad a-spoofin’ ya! A creation of Vlad’s, merely.
    OY VEY!!!
    Humble Harv is in the building…

  346. Radu Voda November 16, 2012 at 12:40 am #

    The East is strong on the Light but weak on the shadows cast. The West understands Evil far better, or rather it used to. Now under the reign of Materialism, no one believes in it anymore, so it has free reign.
    Looking away may be wiser if you don’t have a strong stomach.
    http://www.davidicke.com/articles/child-abuse-mainmenu-74/74874-jimmy-savile-doorway-to-the-cesspit

  347. Radu Voda November 16, 2012 at 12:44 am #

    You’re a bore. You lack the wit that the truly great Jews have. But Whites are waking up and it’s going to take more than comdedians to stop it.

  348. Radu Voda November 16, 2012 at 12:47 am #

    You’re starting to impede again. I hope you catch it next time so you can stop. Remember the precepts are not left behind until Buddhahood.

  349. Radu Voda November 16, 2012 at 12:50 am #

    That’s alright, I was jumping the gun. Basically, the Ragnorok is near and time is short. I’m seeking warriors who will stand with Odin and Asgard against the Giants and the Forces of Hel.
    Ront is a poster just before your previous post. Prabhu is an honorific meaning master in Hindi.

  350. Pucker November 16, 2012 at 2:33 am #

    Don’t you think that it’s a bit weird that Obama’s brother runs a cheap barbeque (??) restaurant in Shenzhen, China?
    From the Chinese perspective, it’s somewhat analogous to H..u J. in T,ao’s brother running a hotdog cart on the street in New York City.

  351. Radu Voda November 16, 2012 at 2:36 am #

    Yes the UFO’s are piloted by different races. The best are the blonde Aryans. The bad guys are little dark guys who wear wrap around sun glasses and turtlenecks. They are like Cubans or something. They are in leargue with the Grays. But some of the Grays are Ok and some of the Aryan aliens evil. So it’s just as complicated up there as down here.

  352. Pucker November 16, 2012 at 2:36 am #

    What if Oba, ma’s re-election is just some kind of a cruel joke by the “el ite”?
    What if just after all the poor people vote for Ob, a ma, the “eli te” then order Ob ama to pull the rug out from under the “Po’ Folks” by ushering in austerity?

  353. Widespreadpanic7 November 16, 2012 at 8:12 am #

    Billionaire Gay Record Producer David Geffen just bought Socialite Denise Rich’s Luxury Manhattan Penthouse for $59 million. Geffen is a big donor to leftist, Gay and Dem causes so I have a suspicion that this ‘1%’er will not be picketed or excessively targeted for criticism of his opulence. But here is the best part: Denise Rich, top 1%er, Socialist Billionaire and Clinton Backer, has renounced her citizenship and is leaving the country so she won’t have to pay taxes on the $59 million.
    That about sums it up. Nothing more need be said. I’m done for the week.
    –WSP7

  354. ozone November 16, 2012 at 9:07 am #

    30,000 Israeli reservists called up, presumably for a boots-on-the-ground invasion of their peskiest neighbor, while missiles and artillery rounds [precisely targeting Hamas “terr’sts” (tm GWB)] rain down upon Gaza.
    (Sidebar: Droney would be proud of the precision of targeting and restraint evinced by the IDF.)
    Ambassador from Egypt visited hospital in Gaza, and was on-scene when two children, one dead, one badly injured, were brought in. That’s gotta make an impression; wonder what his recommendations to his gum’mint might be?
    If the ‘Murkin Messiah has the sense that god-gave-a-goose, he’ll keep his fingers off the military options buttons and finally let this nastiness entropically devolve to a conclusion. Of course, he won’t let it work itself out, so the wild card is how far he’ll ratchet up the rhetoric and talk himself into a corner where there’s no room to back down. (I think we’ve seen plenty of evidence that he’s not quite as bright as always touted. As to independent critical thinking, I’ve seen no evidence for that, although he’s good a looking thoughtful. Ah, the perils of the empty suit.)
    (Shoulda gone with the ONE-state solution, you fucking idiots; I tried and tried to tell you, but you were worried that those lice-ridden Palestinians would get some of the goodies and keep their water rights in the bargain. Too late now…)

  355. ozone November 16, 2012 at 9:11 am #

    Sorry, that was the Egyptian Prime Minister who was visiting Gaza.

  356. ozone November 16, 2012 at 9:22 am #

    ” Denise Rich, top 1%er, Socialist Billionaire and Clinton Backer, has renounced her citizenship and is leaving the country so she won’t have to pay taxes on the $59 million.” -WSP
    Man oh man, if the name fits… wear it… then grab yer shit an’ git!
    You’re right, nothing more needs to be said.
    And the austerity riots metastasize in Europe. “When people have nothing left to lose, they lose it!” -Trendy Guy Celente
    Just keep repeating: “It can’t happen here, it can’t happen here.” Ring your little bowl-bell, rock thrice, wave incense, repeat. Don’t you feel better? I know I do.

  357. progress4spam November 16, 2012 at 10:14 am #

    At least that money was earned in some “honest?” fashion in the American-Style-Free-Market, widespread7.
    And there’s always more to be said.
    For example from Atlanta TV news:
    “The inspector general found nearly 24,000 different tax refunds were sent to one address somewhere in Atlanta – they won’t say where. The total amount of those refunds: $46 million.
    “This was an organized criminal effort. This was just not a bunch of people individually on their own figuring out the system,” said Antelis.”
    http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20101193/tax-credits-available-for-illegal-immigrants
    So – why is it that I fear an IRS audit if I write-off a new roof for a rental house on the wrong time frame??
    Yet BILLIONS are flying out of the US in a completely fraudulent manner that any junior grade IRS floor sweeper could have easily caught?
    I’m telling you, folks, honesty and fair dealing is dead in the US. We don’t even have the psychic energy to investigate it and bury the body.
    That’s some of the joy of Third World Living that we now have coming to us in the US.
    yea.

  358. progress4spam November 16, 2012 at 10:27 am #

    “Mika?? That was Vlad a-spoofin’ ya! A creation of Vlad’s, merely.” -humble Harve-
    I WISH, harv, but no dice!
    Mika gave his last name one time, and posted a bunch of pics he took out in the American West.
    And, anyway, if it was a “spoof,” bill, in a much better position to know than I was, swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.
    And I’ll tell you, harv, finding out that US Jews could be as relentlessly and proudly racist as the best of La Raza or the best of Stormfront posters –
    That was quite a jarring revelation, to me, to say the least.
    Changed my world view, I’ve got to tell you.

  359. anti soak November 16, 2012 at 10:31 am #

    The real reason Bill Clinton pardoned Marc Rich – Salon.com
    http://www.salon.com/2009/01/16/holder_4/
    Laura Miller
    Jan 16, 2009 – During Eric Holder’s confirmation hearing, Arlen Specter scolded the attorney general-designate, but no one mentioned Israeli pressure..
    I dont care to research but …….
    1..are they still married?
    2..Did Marc already renounce his citizenship?
    Marc made his first big $ in ‘trading’.
    You see about the Petraus gal wanted 80M from the businessman?

  360. anti soak November 16, 2012 at 10:41 am #

    I was told by a friend of a news story, I dont know the details. Russians in USA who set up bogus medical companies, get folks Medicare #, bilk the government of Billions.
    A few have gone to jail.
    Food stamp fraud is billions, much of it from ‘immigrants’.
    So what else is new?
    The kenyan messiah had ads running in Mexico for
    food stamps.

  361. anti soak November 16, 2012 at 10:54 am #

    Blacks vote their self interest. ‘Compassionate’
    White libs dont vote their self interest.
    The Affordable Health Care act has as one of its goals, insuring that every “poor” person be guaranteed health care.
    Valerie Jarrett commented, “health care reform…will disproportionately help African-Americans”.

  362. ozone November 16, 2012 at 11:15 am #

    “I WISH, harv, but no dice!
    Mika gave his last name one time, and posted a bunch of pics he took out in the American West.” -P4S
    Yikes, Prog! You ARE a trusting soul, aren’t you?
    (I’d consider that a very commendable thing, but that little ruse from those in the very business of lying was negligible when talking “proof” of individuality.)
    Further examinations of Trust (my fav-o-rite buggaboo, as you know):
    “By way of deception, thou shall do war.” -Motto of the Mossad
    Justin Raimundo turns on his fire-hose of speculation and directs the stream at “Operation Petraus Pantsed”. (It always turns out that his accidental stumbling on kernels of motivations are later vindicated.) Petraus and Allen not taking Neo-con/AIPAC battlefield recommendations?
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33047.htm
    C’mon, we knew from the get-go there was more odor here than just that of a sexual gymnasium. And why didn’t Cantor pull the trigger on Halloween? Questions, concerns, deception and bloody hands. One thing we can count on: An official investigation will only create smokescreens to cover the actual motivations and agendas, busily pursued as we speak.

  363. ozone November 16, 2012 at 11:31 am #

    Ps. Always, and I do mean ALWAYS, keep a weather-eye out for what Jane Harman is doing (and pushing), and you’ll see what skullduggery is afoot in the killin’ bidness. Empire knows no political affiliation, only its’ servants and slaves.
    Gotta grab my shit an’ git! ;o)

  364. Cavepainter November 16, 2012 at 11:46 am #

    Israel enjoys 1st world standard of living even though they live on land that can support sustainably (on native resources) no more that 2% of their existing population.
    Their neighboring Palestinians have about the same ratio of population/native resource capability. The Palestinians though have a refugee camp standard of living.
    Population growth rate is high with both. So what accounts for the difference in standard of living? Easy; Israel has the leverage of nukes for forcing deference from Western nations in support of all kinds.
    I don’t begrudge Israel on this account. To the contrary I salute it for directing policies within the reality that the globe’s overpopulation cannot be accommodated.
    Accordingly, they’ve acted to not just survive the coming die-off but to retain 21st Century quality livability.
    Unfortunately, America is not doing as well. Instead, we cling to the self enamored belief in a national/cultural “exceptionalism”, according to which we can absorb unlimited immigration of populations fleeing the growing desperation elsewhere.
    Worse, our self delusion blinds us to the social/cultural consequence of so much of this influx bearing beliefs that can’t conform to 21st Century reality.

  365. Radu Voda November 16, 2012 at 1:22 pm #

    Good article. So you think that the Jews are disproportunately represented in the Neo Con Movement (I mean they created it after all) and therefore our foreign policy disaster?

  366. Radu Voda November 16, 2012 at 1:24 pm #

    Yeah our Elite are going to do the same thing – to us. Hint: you are a Palestinian in this scenario.

  367. Radu Voda November 16, 2012 at 1:26 pm #

    The Price of Normalacy Bias: your children. These people aren’t worse than you imagine – they are worse than you can imagine.
    http://www.activistpost.com/2012/11/child-sex-rings-reveal-worst-of-power.html

  368. Radu Voda November 16, 2012 at 1:51 pm #

    Susan Rice’s qualifications? She’s the right color and gender. And like most women she can bullshit with a straight face since everything she says has to be true since she is saying it.
    And anyone who criticizes her is a racist if White and a sexist if male. So the only people who can criticize her are Black Women – and they wont.
    This is the American Future guys. Want to get off?
    http://news.yahoo.com/susan-rice-benghazi-may-least-her-problems-060007367–politics.html

  369. anti soak November 16, 2012 at 2:01 pm #

    Does a family of 10 Palestinians live on 1$ a day?
    Thats ten cents each.
    how bout this:
    Purdue has a $313,000-a-year acting provost and six vice and associate vice provosts, including a $198,000 chief diversity officer. It employs 16 deans and 11 vice presidents, among them a $253,000 marketing officer and a $433,000 business school chief.

  370. anti soak November 16, 2012 at 2:04 pm #

    California:
    Boxer
    Waxman
    Harman
    Feinstein [all tribe]
    and Maxine will not face criminal charges.

  371. anti soak November 16, 2012 at 2:11 pm #

    ‘believe he engineered his programmes within the BBC and Radio Luxembourg in order to gain access to children.’
    The Michael Jackson of the UK!
    How much did the BBC hide?

  372. anti soak November 16, 2012 at 2:13 pm #

    ‘Unfortunately, America is not doing as well. Instead, we cling to the self enamored belief in a national/cultural “exceptionalism”, according to which we can absorb unlimited immigration of populations fleeing the growing desperation elsewhere’
    Most Americans, Black and Hispanic included, do not support CIP [current Immigration policy]
    BUT REFUSE TO VOTE THEIR CONSCIENCE.

  373. anti soak November 16, 2012 at 2:18 pm #

    The one over Denver is UFO, not alien. Small drone.
    Check the clips on web and youtube.
    Flys so fast it cant be seen, except on video.

  374. Rhino November 16, 2012 at 2:55 pm #

    Ozone,
    You say: “Ah, the perils of the empty suit. ” And other wise stuff.
    Yep, no kidding, the perils of the “empty suit”. And the perils of an entrenched foreign affairs establishment renowned for its inside the box thinking that seemingly never changes. And seemingly has a monopoly on what the US Pres hears.
    Why do I say this? Because year after year, decade after decade, every time you hear a pronouncement from the President on foreign policy it sounds to me like the same old shit. Seems like the same old farts stinking up the same old offices ever since Eva and Dolph called it a day.
    Let’s say that Al Bore didn’t fuck up the 2000 election campaign which, given the good times he inherited, he should have won hands down. None of this 50% to 48% stuff. But fuck it up he did.
    Nonetheless, let’s imagine that he won. Let’s imagine President Al Bore, I don’t know, reading children’s stories maybe (or seeking relief for constipation) when the news comes in about airliners schmucking the Towers. Now let’s imagine President Bore in the aftermath instead of Dubya.
    What would have been different? IMO, not much.
    In every liberal wet dream there would have been no nit-wit Commander in Chief with ignoramus right-wing ideologues whispering in his ear or imbeciles dominating foreign policy discourse. None of this “for us or against us” idiocy.
    With President Al Bore, the thinking goes, the cretins at Fox News would have been ignored, the highly learned would have prevailed, there would have been nuance in foreign affairs and restraint in military deployment, there would have lasting worldwide coalitions against terror. If only.
    You know what I think? I think that the consensus among the knowing and ignorant alike would have been for war and President Al Bore would have waged war.
    Consider these things: consider the mood of the American public after 9/11, consider that Al Bore would have had to retain the allegiance and loyalty of the American military, consider the murderous sadists running Afghanistan, consider that Iraq was seen as unfinished business.
    Consider especially that Saddam Hussein was laughing and thumbing his nose at the US (especially that) and consider also that luminaries like Tony Blair wanted Saddam out.
    IMO, after the Towers came down, the pressure to smoke some camels would have been irresistible. IMO the Beards running Afghanistan would have been greased – and Saddam too – even with President Bore at the helm.
    WMDs? What a joke. A real knee slapper. Who could believe it? Someone had a sense of humor, no? A half assed excuse but it would do. IMO, Bore and his foreign policy fellas would have concocted something, maybe not as laughable as WMDs, but something regardless.
    But I digress. “Work itself out” you say? Ha! The odds of US intervention in this pissant Israel/Palestine turf war are way too high.
    How many times have you heard the high and mighty mouth those magic words “American interests” as if they were justification. Well what would those interests be exactly? They never say. And what about other American interests?
    Other American interests? Like not pissing away valuable time and money and maybe American lives on a few thousand square miles of sand at the fly-blown, butt end of the former Turkish Empire.
    Yes, the Holocaust was a terrible thing. Yes, Jews, for the sake of their physical security, need a homeland. That’s fine, we all understand the thinking. But why is that necessarily the problem of the US? Why do Americans have to be the guarantors of Israel’s security?
    Nazi Germany is toast, it’s been three generations since the Death Camps were shut down. The clock is ticking. Times have changed, the world has moved on, the United States has its own difficulties.
    Israel and Palestine comprise a very small place. How many of them are there altogether? Ten million maybe? Feh. Out of 7 billion. Given the magnitude of other world problems theirs is a gnat sized issue. In global terms it matters not a whit.
    I see the US foreign policy establishment like a building. But this building is really old. The intellectual foundations are crumbling, the institutional plumbing ie the system that’s supposed to maintain a healthy empiricist perspective and which should be flushing away ideas that don’t work – is rotten, the elevators that should be bringing up the new and the innovative are broken, the windows that should be letting in fresh air are stuck. Time to renovate.

  375. beantown bill November 16, 2012 at 3:58 pm #

    In a fair world, I agree with your hands off policy, but only if the hands off applies equally to all the world’s countries. I mean, do we really, really need a military presence in Germany?
    Unfortunately, in the real world, things are not so simple. For instance, the US has always backed Israel because it originally consisted mostly of European Jews with similar beliefs and backgrounds of Americans; besides, the US felt guilty about the Jews’ plight after the war.
    Yet at the same time, America needed oil and had to show some regard for the middle east oil producers. You think this was easy? The US had to walk a tightrope between 2 opposing sides.
    What would happen if the US threw up its hands and pulled out of the middle east totally, away from both arabs and Israelis? We know the Islamists would make an all-out effort to destroy Israel.
    You say it’s not our battle and we should stay out. Israel, with no support and a horde of deadly enemies trying to wipe it off the map, would have to use the nuclear option. Not a good scenario. Even if they didn’t and were destroyed, what would happen? I don’t think radical Islamists would look favorably at the west. In fact, it would eventually invade Europe, just like in Medieval times – history repeating itself.
    So, I believe as messy as the mideast is, the world has struck a balance there, which the ME needs. Withdrawing our aid and support and presence is just too simplistic an action in an extremely complicated situation.

  376. Cavepainter November 16, 2012 at 4:07 pm #

    MAMMOTHS & ? MARKS (a poem?)
    Where are the wooly mammoths?
    Ancient dwellings dug up in Siberia
    Beehive shapes of nothing but mammoth bones/tusks
    Were the dwellers materialist?
    Living high on the hog….er, mammoths?
    Were they trying to grow the economy?
    Create jobs?
    Keep up with population growth?
    Where are the wooly mammoths?
    Where are the beehive dwellers?

  377. trippticket November 16, 2012 at 6:39 pm #

    I like that, Cavepainter.
    CFN’s very own, and nearly famous, POC – now calles “Progress4Spam” I believe – is involved in my latest permaculture piece, called “Teaching Running Water How To Walk.” Enjoy, if you please.
    http://smallbatchgarden.blogspot.com/
    Cheers,
    Tripp

  378. Steve in VT November 16, 2012 at 6:48 pm #

    Excellent post, Jim. I think your measure of civilitas americanus is pretty much on the money. Bush & Co. relied on this cohort’s desperate addiction to petroleum to keep them in office, not to say spending money. Oh, there’s an occasional gasp of hope (the election, Rove’s on-air meltdown), but in the long run, we’re toast. Diabetes rates are doubling. Obesity is rampant (same thing). We’re lost without our electronic umbilical cords. Our military has been badly degraded. We’re broke. And politicians are attacking each other with cannibalistic savagery, thus effectively preventing even modest attempts by the government to fix things.

  379. trippticket November 16, 2012 at 7:19 pm #

    Bean, I understand your complaint, I really do, and I feel for it, but I have to agree whole-heartedly with Rhino here:
    “Times have changed, the world has moved on, the United States has its own difficulties.”
    When the country is suffocating under mountains of debt, at every level, from Main Street to Pennsylvania Avenue; when food and energy costs are rising rapidly, and real wages are matching that pace in the other direction, at some point that breaks us. It breaks us all. No more U.S. There’s nothing for it, it simply can’t be afforded for much longer. We’re actually kidding ourselves already, thinking we can afford to hold this show together through New Years Day. Somehow the currency doctors will manage, but that only leaves my children fewer options. There’s no getting out of this hole, only increasingly worse prices to pay for prolonging the charade. How is Israel still my problem when I’m worried about feeding my children? When going to college becomes pointless? As it already seems to be. What do I care if Israel gets dusted off the map? Though I mean no personal offense of course. There are way too many of us on this planet. At some point loving Other more than yourself crosses into the realm of suicidal, and that just ain’t me.
    Issue a warning. Tell them to get the hell out of dodge if they don’t think life without U.S. military support in the region will be much fun. Hey, come to Boston, you guys! We got baseball. But we can’t afford to protect you way over there anymore.

  380. Pucker November 16, 2012 at 7:26 pm #

    In China, the barbeque skewer (??) restaurants are a bit like hotdog venders in the U.S. Obama’s brother is running a cheap barbeque skewer (??) restaurant in Shenzhen, China. (Obama’s brother doesn’t even fully own it as it’s owned by some Chinese bloke.)
    People don’t seem to know what to make of the fact that the U.S. President (who owns a US$40 million mansion in Hawaii) has a brother living in Shenzhen, China who runs a hotdog cart.
    It’s a bit weird, if you think about it.

  381. Jam47 November 16, 2012 at 7:39 pm #

    Beantown says:”What would happen if the US threw up its hands and pulled out of the middle east totally, away from both arabs and Israelis? We know the Islamists would make an all-out effort to destroy Israel.
    You say it’s not our battle and we should stay out. Israel, with no support and a horde of deadly enemies trying to wipe it off the map, would have to use the nuclear option.”
    Exactly. And if Israel were to use nuclear weapons against her likely attackers (Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Lebanon) they, which is to say much of the Middle East, would become a nuclear wasteland. Which government wants this? None. Certainly not the government of the United States. The US backs Israel not only to preserve her from obliteration but to prevent her, in desperation, from obliterating half the Middle East.

  382. trippticket November 16, 2012 at 7:43 pm #

    So in the final analysis we’d rather just starve American children?

  383. Pucker November 16, 2012 at 7:52 pm #

    What happens when the Cat appoints the Mouse as the Cat’s agent?

  384. trippticket November 16, 2012 at 8:02 pm #

    “People don’t seem to know what to make of the fact that the U.S. President (who owns a US$40 million mansion in Hawaii) has a brother living in Shenzhen, China who runs a hotdog cart.
    It’s a bit weird, if you think about it.”
    Perhaps a little is lost in translation here. Just a what if, but what if the Chinese revere food as medicine, and as an artform, even barbeque skewer (??) restaurants. What if, this brother of Barack Obama’s recognizes him for the soul-less corporate oligarch that he is? What if he wants nothing to with him, and the media are just dragging this up for their own amusement and muck-raking sport? What if he despises money? What if this brother of his is an ecological farmer in the hills of China, producing his own meat and vegetables in a closed and sustainable permaculture system? And proudly selling his world-class organic vittles quietly out of his little, but very popular, cart in the city, knowing that he has absolutely zero negative impact on his environment? That in fact his production methods are regenerative, and that he derives great satisfaction from improving the land in his keep? What he can only assume is far greater satisfaction than any his shallow brother has ever known? That he is one of the few people alive who can claim that while also claiming to bring joy to people’s lives every day, in a culture that practically worships food?
    I haven’t got the first clue who Barack Obama’s brother is, or what he does, but I can certainly see good reasons, from my perspective at least, to not want to associate with this famous brother.

  385. JonathanSS November 16, 2012 at 8:07 pm #

    Really? He owns a $40M Hawaiian mansion? Then why is he renting a place valued at $8M for his end of year Hawaii vacation?

  386. JonathanSS November 16, 2012 at 8:10 pm #

    I can agree with most of your post, but I must be ignorant about our military. Can you point me to information that will inform me as to the “fact” that the U.S. military is badly degraded?

  387. myrtlemay November 16, 2012 at 8:23 pm #

    “I see the US foreign policy establishment like a building. But this building is really old. The intellectual foundations are crumbling, the institutional plumbing ie the system that’s supposed to maintain a healthy empiricist perspective and which should be flushing away ideas that don’t work – is rotten, the elevators that should be bringing up the new and the innovative are broken, the windows that should be letting in fresh air are stuck. Time to renovate.”
    *************
    It may be time to renovate, but you can’t do it when the tenants like things as they are and want you to keep up the degenerative living arrangements. There really isn’t any way in Hades that the Zionists who control this country are going to “renovate” as you describe. They won’t be satisfied until every last bomb has annihilated every single Muslim off the face of the earth. There won’t be any “placating” the owners of this country – hint – it ain’t O’bammy, or even Romney and his ilk. As long as the money continues to pour into Amerika, this on-going situation of constant war on the brown people in the Middle East will never go away.

  388. myrtlemay November 16, 2012 at 8:27 pm #

    Might be because he has money to burn, thanks to Hollyweird and some of his nice, Jewish bankster friends. Just a guess, of course. Ever wonder how the Clintons got so rich after leaving office? Or why darling Chelsea married into a rich, Zionist clan? As they say, “Follow the money.”

  389. JonathanSS November 16, 2012 at 8:33 pm #

    Well, I did an internet search and found the source of this rumor on hillbuzz.org. Founder, Kevin DuJan, gay conservative (isn’t that an oxymoron?), claims, before the election, that Obama will lose in Nov. and has plans to move into a $40M Hawaii mansion. Does Kevin think Barack has Mittens or Oprah money?

  390. Pucker November 16, 2012 at 8:36 pm #

    In law, an Agent owes a fiduciary duty to the Principal to act in the best interests of the Principal appointing the Agent.
    But if the Principal is a Cat, and the Agent is a Mouse, then is there any practical, common sense in suggesting that a Mouse can reasonably act in the best interests of the Cat?
    In other words, shouldn’t we ban public officials from leaving office to later work for corporations? Thanks.

  391. myrtlemay November 16, 2012 at 8:44 pm #

    Make no mistake about it, sweetheart. We are, both you, me, your mother, sister, wife, husband, daughter, son, father, every last one of us has been sold down the river. It is a ghastly affair, and it began long before even I was born. Where does this leave both you and I? Well, I guess that we both came to this party rather late, still we’ve made our voices heard. And it’s all in the game, as Johnny Mathis once so beautifully said.

  392. JonathanSS November 16, 2012 at 8:46 pm #

    Here’s an excerpt from the huffingtonpost:
    William Jefferson Clinton (1993- 2001), $38 Million, Clinton was born with no inheritance, and he made little significant money during 20 plus years of public service. After his time in White House, however, he made a substantial income as an author and public speaker. Clinton received large advance from autobiography. His wife, the secretary of state, has also made money as author.
    George W. Bush (2001-2008), $20 Million, Bush was born into a wealthy family. Over ten years, he made substantial sums of money in the oil business. The largest contribution to his net worth was the profitable sale of the Texas Rangers.
    Barack Hussein Obama (2008-present), $5 Million, Obama is the grandson of a goat herder. He is a former constitutional law professor and civil rights attorney. Book royalties constitute most of Obama’s net worth.

  393. anti soak November 16, 2012 at 8:52 pm #

    Jim Kunstler some years back commented on Hillarys reluctance to show the tax forms.
    I thought they were worth alot more than that.
    Bill Clinton Net Worth | Celebrity Net Worth
    http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/…/bill-clinton-net-wor...
    Bill Clinton, born William Jefferson Blythe 111 was the 42nd President of the United States from 1993 to 2001, with a net worth estimated at $80 million.

  394. Cavepainter November 16, 2012 at 9:22 pm #

    Are you aware of how many Israelis have duel citizenship in the US, or are close family members of US citizens? In any such event of the region becoming uninhabitable the US would be flooded with Israili refugees.
    The worst part though is that sentimental idealist here would demand political correctness parity by admission of equal numbers of other middle east refugee population.
    Ah yes, according to such idealism America is excepted from ordinary limitations of resource/population ratio, so such absortion won’t affect our quality of life at all. NICE!

  395. myrtlemay November 16, 2012 at 10:08 pm #

    Dare to look under the covers, my dear! (said the Big Bad Wolf to Red Ridinghood).

  396. asoka.. November 16, 2012 at 10:18 pm #

    We’ve got baseball, and we’ve got Oregon. Let the whole country of Israel move to Oregon. It would easily fit.
    “This small country, Israel, is going to continuously suffer; and how long can America help it? And how long are American Jews going to pour their money into Israel? Sooner or later the truth of history will have to be accepted. If America had been really compassionate towards Jews, they should have given them an Israel in America. Oregon would have been perfectly good! I propose it: Let Oregon be the Israel. But what kind of compassion is this? — putting Jews there. They will never be able to live at ease, never.”
    — Osho
    From Ignorance to Innocence (Chapter 19: Religion Is Rebellion)

  397. asoka.. November 16, 2012 at 11:14 pm #

    Obama does not own a $40 million dollar mansion in Hawaii (he has never had $40 million dollars; that is above the pay grade of a community organizer).
    Your false claim, Pucker, is right-wing propaganda from a disinformation campaign (Weekly World News).

  398. asoka.. November 16, 2012 at 11:21 pm #

    You have not been paying attention. President Obama admitted as much himself during the debates, when he said the USA is way behind on bayonets and cavalry horses. The military needs lots more ships and planes and soldiers and tanks and aircraft carriers. You can never spend too much on the military. Throw more DoD welfare money at that sucker. Increase taxes on the still existing middle class (which XXX5 says has disappeared) to pay for it (or we could just go deeper into deficit; “deficits don’t matter” –Cheney). [sarcasm off]

  399. JonathanSS November 16, 2012 at 11:30 pm #

    Your right. My post at 8:33 refers to this pre-election mudslinging @ hillbuzz.org & Kevin DuJan. His site also has articles with headlines such as “Is Obama Gay?”.
    I can do without slander.

  400. asoka.. November 16, 2012 at 11:33 pm #

    LOS ANGELES (Reuters) – Al Gore won an Oscar with a documentary that used bar graphs and pie charts to illustrate climate change and the fate of the Earth.
    Six years after Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth,” a new film, “Chasing Ice,” goes beyond the data and the diagrams to document the disappearance of the world’s glaciers with time-lapse photography.
    Nature photographer James Balog has been capturing the grandeur of glaciers and ice floes since 2007. He started the Extreme Ice Survey the same year, which is considered the most wide-ranging photographic study of glaciers.
    What started as a video record of Balog and his team’s Arctic excursions instead turned into “Chasing Ice,” a chronicling of the effort to capture and consolidate time-lapse photos over months and years of vanishing polar landscapes.
    The film is released in large U.S. cities on Friday with a national rollout later in November.
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  401. JonathanSS November 16, 2012 at 11:36 pm #

    Good one! We’re only spending twice as much on security (defense, FBI, CIA, homeland, etc.) as we did under Clinton.
    These fiscal conservatives are a joke. They’re always willing to throw more money at defense contractors in their districts.

  402. Pucker November 16, 2012 at 11:57 pm #

    Excuse me…the Obama’s bought a US$35 million estate in Hawaii:
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/rumor-obamas-are-moving-to-hawaii-in-january-2013/

  403. beantown bill November 16, 2012 at 11:59 pm #

    Tripp, I wasn’t complaining, nor was I exhorting America to back Israel. I was merely stating the logic of why the US has consistently backed Israel. There’s a certain logic to this, even though you don’t agree with it.
    I understand your reasoning, as well. To put it into terms that are more meaningful to you, if we drop our Israeli backing, I think we’d be harming your own children. There’d probably be a regional nuclear war, with a strong possibility that Russia and China would be drawn in, too. All the effort you’ve put in to live off the grid would become meaningless in an environmentally wrecked world wracked by nuclear contamination. I know you don’t want your children living in such a world.
    Most people don’t think about the link between Israel and our civilization continuing – even in energy descent. Maybe it shouldn’t have come to this, but it is what it is.

  404. beantown bill November 17, 2012 at 12:03 am #

    Balog was on Bill Maher’s show several weeks ago and came across eloquently about what we’re doing to the environment.

  405. Pucker November 17, 2012 at 12:05 am #

    So you’re hypothesing that Obama’s brother may have opened a cheap barbeque skewer (??) place in Shenzhen, China as part of some kind of spiritual journey to divorce himself from his brother, Barack?
    Maybe…
    But wouldn’t it make more sense for Obama’s brother to have run off to become a Buddhist monk to live in some remote hermitage in the mountains? Why open a cheap barbeque skewer shop in corrupt Shenzhen?
    Also, I’ve read that Obama’s brother allegedly “gives piano lessons to Chinese orphan children.”
    This doesn’t sound good…a possible Michael Jackson scenario….

  406. beantown bill November 17, 2012 at 12:06 am #

    You are assuming there’d be survivors if the middle east becomes uninhabitable.

  407. beantown bill November 17, 2012 at 12:11 am #

    Right you are. At least someone here understands the complexity of geopolitics.

  408. Buck Stud November 17, 2012 at 12:13 am #

    Peddle your Pop Pablum to those less informed.

    Your informed view reminds me of the nerd in junior high. He could recite with exactitude every endeavor and exploitation recorded in Penthouse Forum. But he never knew what real fucking FELT like. And that’s the same with you, isn’t it Vlad? You’re all up in your head and content with what you’ve read, but devoid of a real personal practice.

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    Thanks for your polite response, Bill. I always get nervous about comments that might be misconstrued as anti-Semitic. I’m not anti-Semitic, I’m pro-my family. Glad you see that.
    As for the nuclear option, John Michael Greer wrote a helluva piece this week outlining why nuclear weapons, even in the hands of madmen, are only for deterrence, not for using against other people. Hitler, Mao, Stalin, all refrained from using WMDs because the cost of even minimal retaliation in kind was unacceptable. Great piece of logic really. Worth a read:
    http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2012/11/deterrence-in-age-of-decline.html
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  415. rippedthunder November 17, 2012 at 11:30 am #

    Well Twinkies may be history but fortunatly I still have one and only one. It is NOT for sale!funny thing about it is ,sometimes it goes stale and other times it is all squishy! Waz up wid dat?
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  416. Rhino November 17, 2012 at 11:55 am #

    I mean, do we really, really need a military presence in Germany? – BTB
    You are absolutely right. You do not.
    Germans are adults, they have an advanced industrialized economy and they are more than capable of defending themselves. So is the rest of Europe.
    There’s an attitude of disdain in wide swathes of Europe towards Americans. As if Europeans are sooooo much more civilized and edumacated and sophisticated than burger eating murkins. I mean, consider the record of European behavior this last hundred years or so.
    So fuck ’em. Pull out the US military, every last nut, bolt and bullet and leave them to their own devices. After all, the Nazis are gone and so is the USSR.
    And for that matter get out of Japan and Korea. They don’t need you, they are getting the benefit of military security courtesy of the US taxpayer.
    Bottom line Bill, is this: Americans are adults and can think rationally if they want to and have to live (or die) with the results of their decisions. The same goes for Europeans and Middle Easterners too. And East Asians.
    You say it’s a complicated situation. Maybe it was made complicated by the presence of the US. Maybe things would be simpler without the US in the mix. So maybe it could use some simplifying.
    I say this because, in my estimation, what governments are generally lousy at is complexity. Especially in the realm of foreign affairs where the tools at hand tend to be very blunt.
    Wrecking the Middle East in some ass brained war, nuclear or not, started by jackasses quoting scripture would be a bad thing. But, more than anyone, Middle Easterners would be living with the results. So maybe they’ll learn from it.
    Maybe once they finish burying multitudes of women and kids, who after all suffer more than anyone in war, they’ll stop and think the next time some bearded jackoff, whether Jew or Muslim, tells them God’s will is this or God’s will is that. If resolution of conflict boils down to putting bullets in foreheads, then maybe they’ll be judicious as to which foreheads.
    Tripp is right in his portrayal of things in the US. It boils down to money and resources. You are 300 million, the world is 7 billion. You cannot bloody afford this. You cannot afford to run (how many is it now) 11 carrier battle groups, dozens of nuclear submarines, thousands of jets and tanks, millions of troops, both regular and reserve. Whether it sits well or not you are going to have to scale down your military in a massive way. And pull back from the world. And whether it likes it or not the world is going to have to get along on its own. Or not.
    BTW remember that little dispute between China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam and maybe others over undersea resources? I heard that Japan just floated an aircraft carrier and has two more on the drawing board. And now everyone there except China is cosying up to the US.
    Again, why is it up to Americans to step in? IMO the parties in this kerfuffle either make a deal among themselves or go to war to settle the matter. There is no reason on God’s green earth why this has to involve the US.

  417. lsjogren November 17, 2012 at 1:06 pm #

    I hope Kunstler has some commentary next Monday about this week’s tragic demise of the Hostess Twinkie.

  418. lsjogren November 17, 2012 at 1:08 pm #

    As to pulling out our military:
    Germany for example- exactly who are we defending Germany from?
    Are the Greeks going to come with torches and pitchforks, angry that Germany is threatening to cut off their allowance?

  419. lsjogren November 17, 2012 at 1:17 pm #

    Al Gore squandered whatever shred of credibility he still had when he made the absurd claim that we could convert to 100% renewable sources for our electricity within a period of 10 years.
    Solar and wind are just barely able to play a small niche role at this time, due to their intermittency.
    If Gore is that ignorant on energy issues, how can anyone take him seriously about anything?
    His Sasquatch sized personal carbon footprint doesn’t help either.

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  421. rippedthunder November 17, 2012 at 2:13 pm #

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  422. Radu Voda November 17, 2012 at 2:14 pm #

    You are lashing out, Buck. Your adolescent ego is unable to accept correct even when shown to be wrong.
    I’m not enlightented nor did I ever say I was. But I know enough to know that what you were saying was just plain wrong.

  423. Radu Voda November 17, 2012 at 2:19 pm #

    Israel might also destroy Europe if things don’t go its way. Several prominent Israelis have said as much. This is their gratitude for defeating their enemies as setting them up down there.
    They did the same thing to the British after the British put down the Arab revolt. They started a campaign of terror against their benefactors.
    When are people going to learn the Jews have no loyalty except to themsleves?

  424. JonathanSS November 17, 2012 at 2:20 pm #

    That site is just repeating what hillbuzz.org was writiing. People have to be more discriminating about what they do or don’t believe in internet information. Who said that “the truth is what one wants to believe”?

  425. Radu Voda November 17, 2012 at 2:22 pm #

    So what is the link? We need you? No, you need us. Or are you agreeing with you Co-Ethnics that Israel will nuke as much of the West as it can before it goes down?

  426. Radu Voda November 17, 2012 at 2:28 pm #

    But he’s willing (and able) to pay the carbon tax to support that lifestyle. As for those who can’t, well they can become compost or soylent.
    The whole Carbon Tax/Global Warming Scam is a blatant attempt by the Global Elite to coral Humanity and then enslave it. If they believe so strongly, why don’t they leave Goverments alone and develop their own infra-structure from their own funds? That might be a real contribution that could be useful. But they want power – and to power down while remaining at the Top.

  427. Radu Voda November 17, 2012 at 3:05 pm #

    France is waking up and rejecting the Marxist Goverment that is trying to elect a new people, a Muslim people. White Frenchmen (is there any other real kind) marched to protest the invasion. It was ignored by the French Media, terrified that to cover it would lead to a Movement as the People learned the long awaited Resistance had begun.
    I salute you Brothers. Beware the attempts of the Jews to coopt your Movement. They have made serious attempts to do so already.
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  428. Radu Voda November 17, 2012 at 3:09 pm #

    Electric golf carts, top speed 25 mph are bound to be the future. Kunstler is going to have to adapt too. Only the Elite, like Man-Bear-Pig will have the Carbon Credits to fly or use gasoline engined cars.

  429. ctemple November 17, 2012 at 4:06 pm #

    I salute them too, I hope they don’t back down, it’s about time.
    I don’t write on this thing much anymore, nor read it, Kunstler’s constant bashing of the ordinary American got to be too much. Not to mention the asshole leftists. Most of them don’t give a fuck about the poor, they just want to destroy their own society for whatever reason. Multi culturalism is just their latest excuse.
    Anyway before I sign off, I had an idea for a name for the European American homeland, The Orange Freestate, after the heroic Boers. I hope I’m not repeating anything that has already been said,
    Caleb Temple

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  431. beantown bill November 17, 2012 at 5:06 pm #

    America believes it’s the moral leader of the world; that’s why it keeps getting involved. That, and also because it is a fearful country and worries that without its help, any bad situation could get out of control and impact itself very badly. Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown.
    Also, because the world is so interconnected, the US, which is always looking out for its own best interests, seems to have to meddle everywhere – like keeping its hands on the mideast oil, for example. No wonder why so many countries hate us.

  432. beantown bill November 17, 2012 at 5:12 pm #

    If you were anti-semitic I wouild have known a long time ago. I know you’re not, and are just looking out for your family’s best interests.
    I’ll read the Greer piece tomorrow and let you know what I think of it. I have no time today because we’re holding our annual Thanksgiving dinner with sixteen of our friends.

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    The U.S. system may be so corrupt that we’re beyond the point of no return….

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  436. Pucker November 17, 2012 at 5:34 pm #

    What’s the difference between Blind Optimism and Denial?
    Both are basically psychological mechanisms for relieving the subject from making very hard choices, right?

  437. Pucker November 17, 2012 at 5:37 pm #

    Do you think that Americans have alarmingly high rates of morbid obesity and blind optimism may be related?
    More irony….

  438. anti soak November 17, 2012 at 5:48 pm #

    Thanks.
    Do you know CC started trading herein California a few days ago?

  439. Radu Voda November 17, 2012 at 5:51 pm #

    It is said that if you eat enough Twinkies you body will not decay at death. Perhaps this is how the ancient Egyptians did it…

  440. Radu Voda November 17, 2012 at 5:56 pm #

    Could you actually run an engine on Hard Lick Her? What is the minimum proof? Ever Clear is 100% alcohol but not sold in Ma. I once went to RI to get some for an alchemical experiment I was doing.
    One possible advantage: gasoline breaks down after a year or two. But alky stays good for fucking eva…

  441. anti soak November 17, 2012 at 7:40 pm #

    Carbon credits and go carts.
    Go Carts pollute, yes?
    They run on electricity from coal.

  442. asoka.. November 17, 2012 at 7:55 pm #

    Go Carts pollute, yes?
    They run on electricity from coal.

    No, not necessarily. Solar Electric Vehicles (SEV) have a system that generates energy from sunlight and converts this energy to high voltage which is utilized to charge the battery pack.
    The SEV system doesn’t require plugging in for charging. The SEV system uses clean renewable energy that is environmentally friendly. This allows the Hybrid Vehicle to operate for extended driving range in the electric mode without using coal or any other finite fossil fuel.
    These vehicles could be available at a cost of under $3,000, if we subsidized them, instead of subsidizing military pollution-producing, gasoline-powered military vehicles. The money is already available. It’s just a question of priorities.

  443. Cavepainter November 17, 2012 at 8:20 pm #

    Review your class workbooks: Denial of objective reality was a necessary survival adaptation for humanity (being the conceptual animal we are). We process sensory info into concepts, the abstract filing cabinet for bringing order to the deluge of input. Voila, such as linier time. Without such reality dodges as God (or such other super natural concepts) to be cajoled to intervene on our behalf against otherwise overwhelming and indifferent forces of nature, our big neo cortex would burn too many calories in anxiety over all the apprehensions that neo cortex can conjure.
    “Elementary Dr. Watson”.

  444. asoka.. November 17, 2012 at 8:39 pm #

    Voila, such as linier time
    Is linier time better than circlier time or trianglier time?
    What about linear time?
    Where is Q when we need him?

  445. trippticket November 17, 2012 at 8:49 pm #

    The linear arrangement of time in our minds is likely one of the worst ideas we ever came up with. Every sustainable society on Earth tends to operate on circular, refinable, adaptable approaches. That’s horticulture (or permaculture), as opposed to agriculture, in the big picture.

  446. trippticket November 17, 2012 at 9:06 pm #

    “Without such reality dodges as God (or such other super natural concepts) to be cajoled to intervene on our behalf against otherwise overwhelming and indifferent forces of nature, our big neo cortex would burn too many calories in anxiety over all the apprehensions that neo cortex can conjure.”
    In my opinion this applies more to farming man than other cultural inclinations. Foragers see divine connection in all the pedestrian elements of the world around them. Christians (Muslims, all monotheistic farmers) tend to laugh at sacred trees, or life forces in the granite outcroppings, but then invent their own sacredness about the world to make it special for them. This is similar to the main issue I have with my step-grandmother, who wonders why I don’t set aside time to meditate and “commune with the cosmos.”
    I don’t need to. I commune with Creation constantly. I draw energy from the soil when I work it; life force from the mushrooms when I eat them; communion with the forest when I breathe its refreshing air. Why should I interrupt the regular pattern and pace of my day to focus on something that is just a regular part of it?

  447. trippticket November 17, 2012 at 9:28 pm #

    Cavepainters should know about that sort of thing.

  448. trippticket November 17, 2012 at 9:31 pm #

    In other words, anxiety is a product of our cultural worldview, and socio-political organization, not an inevitability of the human condition.

  449. asoka.. November 17, 2012 at 9:38 pm #

    I commune with Creation constantly.
    Great!
    Except that using the word “Creation” tends to presuppose a “Creator.” If you used “Life” or “Existence” or “That Which Is,” etc., then there wouldn’t be that pesky idea of a Creator, who, if he/she/it existed, would beg the question: who then created the Creator.
    If the answer is no one, that the Creator has always just been, then the principle is established that something can exist without being “created” … and Occam’s Razor takes over: Creator is an unnecessary hypothesis (or “hypothecate,” in the curious case of XXX5) … life, the universe, and the whole shebang has always just existed (no creator necessary). This is exactly my position, by the way.
    I agree that meditation should be 24 hours a day, not just when you are seated with spine straight.

  450. trippticket November 17, 2012 at 9:48 pm #

    Unfortunately for sky-god monotheists, the foragers’ reverence for the trees is based on actual mutual benefit. The (non-fossil-powered) human doesn’t steal from the system, but rather exchanges (and contributes ecologically) carbon dioxide that feeds the tree for oxygen that nourishes his own physiology. The tree, being in possession of chlorophyll, is a member of the only group of life on Earth that can actually produce anything – the plants. But the plants need consumers like us to help spread their genes to advantage over the other plants. Cannabis and corn seem to have mastered this arrangement. And they need decomposers to recycle the elements from death back to life.
    Actually the minerals the foragers depend on for health erode slowly from the granite, too. Far as I can tell, that’s foragers 2, monotheistic farmers 0.
    When I finally recognized my proper place in this eternal cycle, two things happened: One, I started to divorce myself from the use of fossil fuels, tried to stop being a weed; and two, the anxiety started going away. Long process, though.

  451. trippticket November 17, 2012 at 9:55 pm #

    Creation is a bad word to me, too. But I have learned enough from some really incredible people who use the term to just kind of roll with it for now. In a way I guess I’m just presupposing some future enlightenment yet to arrive. No idea what that might be.
    But for the moment I’m on your side.

  452. rippedthunder November 17, 2012 at 9:57 pm #

    Hey Rad, I bet if I spent a long weekend in the garage I could come up with perfectly workable still. If I can’t make fuel I could always open a speak easy/gambling hall! Liquor in the front and poker in the rear :o). I already have several copper wash tubs and lots of tubing. OH shit!! Forget I said that. Now I am on the watch list again. Revenuers please disregard the above comment. I think it will be a lucrative career when TSHTF!! I live in East BumFuck if anybody is interested, just past the big sycamore tree.

  453. trippticket November 17, 2012 at 10:09 pm #

    Close as I can come, I tend to think of the universal ecology as the “Creator.” The matter and energy that makes up the cosmos has always existed, but I haven’t. I like to imagine that it breathes – the most recent big bang simply being the last exhale. And me, some speck of barely-conscious dust in the lungs of that Creation. Or of that Creator. The matter and energy that comprise me will only exist as “Tripp” for a little while longer – actually both are always in transit – but they will persist in some form through the entire breath I imagine, and probably into the next. I don’t know that it cheapens the experience to think of it in these terms.

  454. trippticket November 17, 2012 at 10:19 pm #

    “then there wouldn’t be that pesky idea of a Creator, who, if he/she/it existed, would beg the question: who then created the Creator.”
    The last inhale gave birth the current exhale. That’s the only way it makes sense to me.
    I think the idea of a Creator is only pesky to people who are more interested in the long slow march of moral progress than transcendence and belonging.

  455. trippticket November 17, 2012 at 10:26 pm #

    Take a deep breath. When the unavoidable exhale begins does the ecology of your lungs not change? As oxygen is over-run by carbon dioxide, the pH certainly changes, and in nature that always changes the system. What if, in that (to us) rapidly changing environment, those lung microbes were self-conscious? What would they think about?

  456. asoka.. November 17, 2012 at 10:34 pm #

    “Creator” tends to be easily anthropomorphized.
    Then gender comes into discussion (and race).
    Then you have offspring (“the Son of God”).
    Then you have “the Word of God” which turns out to usually be a set of rules you better follow!
    Then you have “God’s plan” for your personal salvation.
    Then you have God’s punishment, if you don’t follow the rules or do whatever is required, etc.
    Eliminating the imagination of a god-being automatically eliminates all the other imaginings.
    I like your very poetic and true expression: “The last inhale gave birth the current exhale.” Until our last exhale. That about sums it up perfectly.

  457. trippticket November 17, 2012 at 10:40 pm #

    “The tree, being in possession of chlorophyll, is a member of the only group of life on Earth that can actually produce anything – the plants.”
    Well, the plants and the phytoplankton, that is. Phytoplankton that constitute 80% of the photosynthetic capacity of the biosphere! So I should probably not disregard them. My mistake. Still, you get my meaning.

  458. trippticket November 17, 2012 at 10:43 pm #

    I hear you man. The human brain is capable of some pretty crazy shit. Just look at mine.

  459. trippticket November 17, 2012 at 10:44 pm #

    “Eliminating the imagination of a god-being automatically eliminates all the other imaginings.”
    But I like my other imaginings…

  460. trippticket November 17, 2012 at 11:01 pm #

    Did POC tell you all that we met a couple of weeks ago? He and Mrs. POC met us at our favorite lunch spot in Ellijay, GA, where we live, and followed us back out to our property in the fold of the mountains. Just past the big sycamore tree.
    Had a great visit with them, and he gave me some of his Mormon beans. I think that means we’re family now. And I’m cool with that.

  461. Pucker November 17, 2012 at 11:02 pm #

    Does the human propensity to deny objective reality explain why the CAT keeps repeatedly appointing the MOUSE as his agent?

  462. asoka.. November 17, 2012 at 11:04 pm #

    Umm, OK. Other non-monotheistic imaginings.
    I’ll continue to imagine how I can give thanks to the phytoplankton, God bless them.
    Phytoplankton are one of the Creator’s best creations.
    🙂

  463. asoka.. November 17, 2012 at 11:08 pm #

    No, I don’t believe he did, or if he did I missed it.
    I consider POC part of my family as well … the human family. Glad to hear y’all had a good visit.

  464. trippticket November 17, 2012 at 11:22 pm #

    “Umm, OK. Other non-monotheistic imaginings.”
    Of course! Like this totally make-believe auburn-haired 30-something I was just imagining. Or this super-dense patch of chanterelle mushrooms under the dining table I was just imagining. Or this…

  465. Pucker November 17, 2012 at 11:25 pm #

    If the fundamental problem is that because the criminals have taken over and cut the budgets of the enforcement authorities to arrest criminals such that there’s no point “calling the cops” because the cops ain’t gonna show up, then shouldn’t we start arresting the criminals ourselves, like Batman?

  466. Buck Stud November 17, 2012 at 11:34 pm #

    Not lashing out Vlad, just questioning whether you have actually cultivated a personal practice. I thought the same thing last week when you presented yourself as an authority on “semen retention”. Now you may not a have a partner to fertilize regular basis, but that is a far cry from the severe asceticism – Balzac Blue Balls – that one undertakes in the practice of semen retention.
    But it’s not just you Vlad. All of us who love to read risk losing ourselves in the text, and avoiding the hard, mundane work of a daily practice.

  467. Pucker November 17, 2012 at 11:34 pm #

    Do some Americans criticize doctors for their “negativity” when they declare the patient deceased?
    How come doctors when confronted with a critically-ill patient don’t suggest “reforming” the patient? Like, we’ll just rearrange the patient’s limbs and organs and then everything will be o.k.

  468. trippticket November 17, 2012 at 11:41 pm #

    “I consider POC part of my family as well … the human family. Glad to hear y’all had a good visit.”
    The whole “human family” thing seems so global to me in a relocalizing world. Are Siberian tundra wolves concerned about the welfare of their North American cousins? Less than 3 years ago I had business cards that listed my title as “Earthling.” Today that seems very strange to me. Today I’m more like “Appalachian mountain man returning to his Scots-Irish roots in the same hills occupied by his distant ancestors but separated by 20 million years of tectonic drift, also known as the Atlantic Ocean, and if somebody I don’t recognize comes in here looking to steal apples from the mouths of my children I might just have to fertilize my blueberry patch with him” guy.
    Admittedly, it doesn’t roll off the tongue as nicely.
    I think POC falls somewhere in there, too. And he lives 40 miles east of me, a mere day’s horse ride away. But we both love you, too, Asoka. Mysterious internet guy in New Mexico;)

  469. Buck Stud November 17, 2012 at 11:42 pm #

    Very beautiful Tripp…thanks for that!

  470. trippticket November 17, 2012 at 11:50 pm #

    “If the fundamental problem is that because the criminals have taken over and cut the budgets of the enforcement authorities to arrest criminals such that there’s no point “calling the cops” because the cops ain’t gonna show up, then shouldn’t we start arresting the criminals ourselves, like Batman?”
    Did you read John Michael Greer’s 5-part fictional serial published at his blog over 5 weeks in October, by any chance? I think you’d dig it if you didn’t.
    Link to part I:
    http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2012/10/how-it-could-happen-part-one-hubris.html

  471. asoka.. November 18, 2012 at 12:38 am #

    Well, we could be family by blood, too. One of the first people brought to the new world as an indentured servant/slave was a Scottish person. Because the Scottish and Africans were slaves some people did intermarry and have relations because they related to one another.
    Irish were called White Ni**ers or the Ni**ers or Europe. They also shared the same social and economic class as Blacks. Some intermarriage happened between Blacks and Irish and Blacks and Scottish, so it’s possible we are all related. As homo sapiens our DNA is similar, too.

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