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In 1918, the country was lashed by a far deadlier pandemic disease at the same time it was fighting a world war, and daily life barely missed a step. The economy then was emphatically one of production, not the mere consumption of things made elsewhere in the world (exchanged for US IOUs), nor of tanning parlors, nail salons, streaming services, and Pilates studios. The economy was a mix of large, medium, and small enterprises, not just floundering giants, especially in the retail commerce of goods. We lived distributed in towns, cities not-yet-overgrown, and a distinctly rural landscape devoted to rural activities — not the vast demolition derby of entropic suburbia that has no future as a human habitat. Banking was only five percent of the economy, not the bloated matrix of rackets now swollen to more than forty percent of so-called GDP. Government at the federal and state levels was miniscule compared to the suffocating, parasitic leviathan it is now.

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Get this: none of these things now wobbling and staggering will be resurrected. They’re all going extinct, like the Baluchitherium of the Oligocene. To keep propping them up — as the Federal Reserve sedulously props up financial markets — will only promote the illusion that we don’t have to move on and conduct daily human life differently. A worldwide contraction was already underway before Covid-19 stepped onstage. The contraction was sending a very loud and clear message: gigantism went as far as it could go and now it’s up to the smaller and nimbler to carry on. Beware the promises of the sclerotic authorities asking you to remain in thrall to them — and dependent on them.

Expect these authorities to screw up even the next big exercise in their own franchise: the 2020 election. It will be the climax to a season of political hysteria and will complete the chapter of our history that left us on that smoldering big bus in the ditch. The scramble away from that disaster scene will be frightful and desperate. No matter who ends up in control of the government — or pretends to be — the same forces of contraction and decomplexifying will actually rule and you will have to act accordingly.

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621 Responses to “A Bigger Picture”

  1. Walter B July 17, 2020 at 10:07 am #

    The big difference between the US reaction to the 1918 Influenza pandemic and WWI from today is that back then the country was populated by real men and real women, not the crap that exists today,.

    • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 10:21 am #

      Was Wilson as incompetent as Trump? These times are not the same as then. We have a Commander in Thief. Did they?

      • vengeur July 17, 2020 at 10:23 am #

        And what exactly has Trump stolen?

        • shabbaranks July 17, 2020 at 10:43 am #

          Trump has stolen K-Dog’s sanity. TDS is strong with the Dog.

          • vengeur July 17, 2020 at 10:44 am #


          • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 10:50 am #

            And while you were commenting on something you know nothing about I was writing a response. You requiring no thought in your knee-JERK reaction, naturally posted first.

          • Nightowl July 17, 2020 at 1:43 pm #

            Ha, ha. Indeed. I have never seen other poster start out moderately sane and go so fantastically off the rails.

        • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 10:48 am #

          The national dignity. I will start there. Rich-old boy COVID Bailouts benefit those who have leaving everyone else screwed. Those who have, now have all have a hell of a lot more. Inequality grows under the Trump Admin like it never has before. Rich people are not paying taxes.

          I was only making a play on words legitimized by the fact that this is not 1918 and the comparisons to it are weak. You asking what exactly has Trump stolen could lead to a very long essay. But I am not your bitch. Someone else can write it. But am I serious? If I was not I’d not have written thief instead of chief. Without at least a grain of truth, and there is more than that it would have made no sense.

          Your question is frivolous. This president is dedicated to his own self interest and not the interest of the nation. His narcissism is well know.

          Perhaps you would like to document his integrity and honor. Trumps decency and humanity while someone else makes a list of his faults and the national treasures which the orange man taketh. I am busy on other things.

          • shabbaranks July 17, 2020 at 11:06 am #

            You lie.

            1. PPP bailout money went to virtually all who applied. Thousands of leftist nonprofits that contribute nothing but hot air to America received billions of dollars. Go to ProPublica and look at the actual list of recipients. You simply don’t know WTF you’re talking about.

            2 Inequality has been a subject for study for many decades in economics. Inequality – of net household wealth – increased significantly during the reign of Saint Barry Soetoro. Go to the Pew Trust research on wealth inequality. Saint Soetoro was all talk, no substance. Again, you’re out of your depth.

            3. “Rich people are not paying taxes.” Total BS. Go to the Statistics of Income as published annually by the IRS for the US Dept. of Treasury. The share of taxes paid by the top 1% of taxpayers is enormous, all out of proportion to their share of annual US pre-tax income. Again, your pat phrases leave you holding a bag of dog s#@t lies.

            I question what it is that you know and do for a living that would make you think the remarks that you have made would pass unscrutinized. Your remarks are frivolous. You need to do bonafide research and not try to bullshit the readers of this board.

          • sophia July 17, 2020 at 11:21 am #

            Where you lack discernment, K-dog, is in blaming Trump for the crimes of the deep state that predate him.

          • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 11:33 am #

            The share of taxes paid by the top 1% of taxpayers is enormous, all out of proportion to their share of annual US pre-tax income.

            I won’t even dignify this with a response. People know better.

          • Zoltar July 17, 2020 at 11:45 am #

            K-Dog: “The National Dignity!” It’s fascinating that your tribe continues to pretend that, before Trump, the US still possessed dignity, still had honest politicians, still had boy scouts helping little old ladies cross the street. A graph of such long-gone national attributes would be a steady downward slope from Reagan to the present day, unbroken by any alleged integrity or probity on the part of Barack Obama. There is just less pretense of propriety today. And let’s not pretend that putting the corrupt and senescent Joe Biden in the Oval Office would change any of this a damned bit.

          • shabbaranks July 17, 2020 at 11:49 am #

            “I won’t even dignify this with a response. People know better.”

            You’re wrong again. The actual facts are as follows:

            “The share of reported income earned by the top 1 percent of taxpayers rose to 21 percent, from 19.7 percent in 2016. Their share of federal individual income taxes rose to 38.5 percent, from to 37.3 percent in 2016.”

            Data drawn from the IRS Statistics of Income report.


            I call BS on what it is that you think “people […] know.” Your remarks are really more about what’s going on in your head and about parroting what you hear from other BS news sources. You’re full of BS dude and your “dignity” left you along time ago. You remind me of a guy named Roy Cohn.

          • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 11:59 am #

            The average effective tax rate on the 1 percent highest-income households is about 5.6 percentage points lower today than it was in the 1950s. It was then 42%.

            Sixty of America’s biggest companies paid no federal income tax in 2018

            I don’t want to play. All I did was type ‘commander in thief’ and you want to go ape-shit on me. It is Friday, I propose we get lives today. Ok.

            K-Dog fires his musket ball into ground hoping to end the duel.

            Will shabbaranks continue to demand satisfaction?

          • cbeard July 17, 2020 at 1:07 pm #

            You’ve got a lot of damn gall to say anyone had a knee jerk reaction. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black Mr. Dog Breath.

          • Daddyotis July 17, 2020 at 1:23 pm #

            “ K-Dog fires his musket ball into ground hoping to end the duel.
            Will shabbaranks continue to demand satisfaction?“

            This is code for “You win. I was just parroting bullshit I hear from the Seattle mob without actually checking sources, and hoping nobody would call me on it.”

          • abcdef July 17, 2020 at 1:36 pm #

            As for resources–shabberbanks, you might want to expand your view of taxes–consider subsidies. The wealthy pay the most taxes, yes, but they also have most of the wealth and the biggest chunk of income in this country, so that should not come as a surprise to you. However, if the taxes are so ruinous as you want us to believe, you might want to explain why the wealthier keep getting more and more wealthy. Hard work? No. Check out: https://inequality.org/billionaire-bonanza-2020-updates/. The wealthy get wealthier because of their status and access to power, not because of moral reasons. The wealthy get back their taxes in the form of subsidies. They hold the levers of power and they get the benefits of that power. President Trump and today’s Republican Party are just more brazen about it. The President has been burnishing his brand and lining his pockets. That is what rich people tend to do. Food stamps make up an incredibly small part of the subsidies that get handed out by the government and we shit on the poor for having the gall to use them.

            And what does “Inequality has been a subject for study for many decades in economics. Inequality – of net household wealth – increased significantly during the reign of Saint Barry Soetoro. Go to the Pew Trust research on wealth inequality. Saint Soetoro was all talk, no substance.” The statistics are so clear on this–check out https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/
            They support what K-Dog is saying shabberbanks.

          • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 2:04 pm #

            Why do I have to come back and tell cbeard and Daddyotis what to do with themselves? Reason, cbeard forced it. I had to look and check and sure enough it was not he who I accused of a knee-jerk reaction.

            This is the kind of pussy who would kick somebody on the ground after someone else does the beat-down. In other words, shit.

            Daddyotis, your day will come. Expect it.

          • Daddyotis July 17, 2020 at 5:01 pm #

            K-dog- Believe me, I am ready for that day. Locked & loaded. Bring it on! Jim’s message today was prescient, and is a roadmap toward dealing with what’s to come in the soon-to-be World Made By Hand. I’m well prepared for this eventuality, to the point where I’m simply watching in a sort of horrified amusement at the slow-motion collapse occurring in front of me.

            You might want to consider emerging somewhat from the TDS world you are voluntarily ensconced in, at least to peek out of your TDS mental bunker and experience some reality at some point. However, the Seattle reality right now would likely cause most people to submerge themselves right back into TDS fantasyland, at least to avoid getting cancelled by the mob.

            Interestingly, your day may come sooner than you think when the BLM TDS mob turns on you.

          • benr July 17, 2020 at 5:05 pm #


            I find myself in the rare situation of defending kdog.

            One can have tds and not be in support of the BLM movement as it stands now nor think Chop is good idea.

          • elysianfield July 17, 2020 at 7:31 pm #

            ““ Dog fires his musket ball into ground hoping to end the duel.
            Will shabbaranks continue to demand satisfaction?“

            Ahhh…I just this last week re-watched “Barry Lyndon”…bought the DVD afew years ago.

          • MontanaMan July 18, 2020 at 4:57 am #

            You’re far left wing ass can’t name one thing he stolen. Because he hasn’t stolen one thing. Shit for brains.

        • Htruth July 17, 2020 at 11:43 am #

          What hasn’t he stolen? Have you looked at the Fed’s balance sheet lately?

          • Zoltar July 17, 2020 at 11:48 am #

            Does the H stand for “half”?

      • Walter B July 17, 2020 at 10:26 am #

        They are all incompetent and anyone who does not realize that will never get any of it anyway. Haters gotta hate I suppose.

        • Billy Hill July 17, 2020 at 11:32 am #

          The dog barks, and barks, and barks.

          Imagine 50 million dogs barking non-stop for 4 years.

          Good grief. Throw them their bone. At this point silence is preferable.

          • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 11:35 am #

            You all doth protest too much, methinks. I howl in the wilderness.

          • Billy Hill July 17, 2020 at 11:48 am #

            You win. I surrender. I’ll do what you say. Just please stop barking. And get your friends to stop barking.

          • Billy Hill July 17, 2020 at 12:37 pm #

            When Tulsi endorsed Biden my belief system crashed. I see nothing but broken bits of looted Dollar Store items littering the ground. Empty Skittles packages stolen and consumed past their sell-by date.
            “Let Them Eat Expired Cake!” I say.

            I meditate now contemplating the abstract phenomenon of Trump v Biden 2020. The Cosmic “Oh Shit!” moment has arrived.

            But I have at last found the caption for that famous photo of Pelosi and Friends, taking a Kente-Cloth-Clad knee:

            Dumbing Down Deviancy

          • Sredni Vashtar July 17, 2020 at 12:55 pm #

            Yeah, what’s up with that? She seemed like she was different, even suing Hillary Clinton. But then she lays down with the same people. Corruption of the good – an old story. She grew up as a Hare Krishna and was against abortion. She had to give that up to get anywhere – and that’s huge. Once that step is taken, other steps downwards come “naturally”.

      • Rupert July 17, 2020 at 11:04 am #

        Blaming the calamity that has been on the make for a few generations now on the orange man seems silly to me. The problems in this land are far larger than a single unlikely chief executive and his greatest faults are shown in his inability to change course, not his inability to maintain it.

        His few good ideas were the ones which were a large departure from business as usual in the post-WW2 era and they were the ones most kneecapped by the power centers and administrators.

        We are staring down the barrel of strife and hardship here at home, perhaps made into ethnic strife thanks to the rise of Wokeness and the victory the critical theory that forms the core of it in the universities and, now, the other power centers.

        His incompetence is a real fact but I believe it hardly matters relative the full picture. The most competent man alive wouldn’t have been able to keep the Titanic from sinking after it had already hit the iceberg.

        The tragicomedy is larger than suburbia, after all.

        • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 11:42 am #

          Since none of them would have ever admitted the truth about the iceberg you are likely right!

          But what if one had and then the entire geist of the nation had shifted and all the creativity from sea to sea had turned around. What if all Americans had dedicated themselves to the dream of the shining city on the hill. What if?

          We will never know. And that is for sure.

          • Rupert July 17, 2020 at 12:01 pm #

            That dream was ever impossible, I fear. The Union was conceived as a thing of necessity- 13 separate entities would have fallen to the Crown one by one, united there was a chance for independence, and was made ‘more perfect’ through war, purchase, conquest, and time.

            There may have been a chance, in a brief moment, after the door to the outside world was shut in the 20s- to allow for greater unity and the slow dissipation of the Anglo/ethnic divide that had arisen due largely to the mass influx of Gilded Age cheap labor immigrants after the troubles of the 1860s but that chance was thrown away in a new push for global empire and elite betrayal of the general welfare in pursuit of selfish gain.

            Even then, the vision was never quite shared. Who’s city on a hill? What vision? The vision of Jefferson’s yeoman farmers? The ‘melting pot’ of industrial age propaganda? Multiculturalism and universal tolerance?

            Much of our problem is that this is a culture that refuses to accept limits. It lacks humility. Part of humility is respecting those without, on the far side of the boundary, but another part is respecting those within- acknowledging that our resources and the commonweal are not infinite things and that scarcity requires hard choices.

            As we have refused the limits, the limits will now punish us dearly.

            Apologies for rambling a bit. We will never know, indeed.

          • Sredni Vashtar July 17, 2020 at 12:59 pm #

            Good points, Rupert. We were 90% White in 1960, with most people on the same page more or less, certainly compared to now. But then we threw open our borders in general, and especially to Mexico. A whole new hostile nation entered in. In other words, we learned nothing from Black slavery and the eternal resentment of the ex-slaves.

            Now we have diversity and no unity – with Traditional Americans being hated on 24/7 by the media. Set up for genocide in other words.

          • DrGonzo July 17, 2020 at 8:55 pm #

            Sredni: “hostile nation”? Most of the Mexican and Central American immigrants that I meet —legal or illegal — are cheerful, deferential, good-natured, hardworking. I honestly don’t know how most of my privileged neighbors would get by if those immigrants weren’t available to re-roof their homes, cut their grass, nanny their kids, build their home additions, landscape their front yards, replace their sewer lines.

            I’m not saying we don’t allow too much immigration. We need to determine how much we’ll accept, and then enforce that decision, rather than pretend we don’t rely on underpaid illegal immigration to propel our economy.

            But “hostile”? Hardly. Learn a little Spanish and you might discover just how much more fun they can be than your busybody, overserious white neighbors:

      • Delcimore July 17, 2020 at 11:50 am #

        In 1918, we had our first “progressive” President (who later was revealed as a virulent racist). In his two terms, Wilson began moving the country from a constitutional small ‘r’ republic towards the leviathan state we are saddled with today.
        Ever the activist, Wilson presided over the most disastrous Constitutional Amendments in our history. giving us the Federal Income Tax, direct election of Senators, and the failed Prohibition experiment.
        And central banking (Federal Reserve)
        And the beginning of the century of war enabled by those changes.
        I don’t care how smart the man allegedly was, he is hands down the worst this country has ever seen, present leadership included.

        • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 12:14 pm #

          I confess I really did not know much about Wilson but a week or so I read up on him.

          I don’t care how smart the man allegedly was, he is hands down the worst this country has ever seen, present leadership included.

          It is an apples and oranges comparison. Wilson was crazy and Trump is crazy, but in different ways.

          Wilson had what some people call ‘hubris syndrome’. People with hubris syndrome show “disproportionate concern for image and presentation”. It is all about them. But Wilson is only 10 on the list of the most narcissistic presidents of all time.

          So little time and so much to do. That Trump will be in the top ten I won’t even discuss.

          • DrTomSchmidt July 17, 2020 at 1:07 pm #

            No, “crazy” is a cop-out. Wilson’s decision to declare war on Germany led the Germans to send Lenin to
            Russia,kicking off Bolshevism and millions of deaths. Also inspiring National Socialism as a reaction.

            He is hands-down the worst President we have ever had. That he is getting canceled for introducing segregation into the Federal Government, and not his other crimes, is a shame, but one thing to be happy about BLM for.

          • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 1:48 pm #

            Dr Tom get a grip.

            Two days after the U.S. Senate voted 82 to 6 to declare war against Germany, the U.S. House of Representatives endorsed the declaration by a vote of 373 to 50. Then we were in.

            Woodrow Wilson had a little help.

            Saying he was worse than Trump is your thing not mine. I’m not a fan of WW and wasn’t to start with. I know he was behind the FED and I know about the CPI. I don’t care to debate who had the stronger stench. Trump or he.

            But, I admit it. Somewhere above or below this I said I really did not know much about Woodrow and while that is true me saying I don’t know something is not the same thing as other people saying they don’t know something.

            I prefer to adopt a humble posture.

            How Woodrow Wilson’s Propaganda Machine Changed American Journalism

            Committee on Public Information Facts

            He has been on my shit list a long time.

        • elysianfield July 17, 2020 at 12:16 pm #

          “In 1918, we had our first “progressive” President (who later was revealed as a virulent racist). ”

          A virulent racist? Should there perhaps be a qualification? A definition of the word “racist”? Is it possible that he hated blacks for how many of them lived, and what they became? For a dissolute lifestyle, not the color of their skin? Perhaps he objected to their culture? Is it racist not to embrace a foreign culture?

          I, personally hate blacks who are predators, criminals, and degenerate filth lacking in the skills of citizenship. Am I a racist? No. Neither do I suffer a lack of observation. Why do you not hate criminals, predators, and the worthless?

          • Sredni Vashtar July 17, 2020 at 1:04 pm #

            In other words, you don’t put your own people first. Once that become the common or required attitude, the Nation is doomed since it will be superseded by more normal peoples who Do put their Nation/People first.

            And since that attitude precipitates open borders, the hapless Folk are beset by enemies within their own borders, cities, towns, neighborhood – maybe even next door.

        • Sredni Vashtar July 17, 2020 at 1:01 pm #

          All of presidents up to Kennedy were racists – putting their own race first. Likewise all the Emperors and Premiers of China are racist – putting their own race first. When you stop doing that, you begin to die.

          • malthuss July 17, 2020 at 3:53 pm #

            you hated Ike, yes? he killed millions of innocent Germans?

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        • Kim July 17, 2020 at 8:45 pm #

          As long as we’re dumping on Wilson, what about the disaster of the Treaty of Versailles? He came in talking up his 14-point vision and then selectively ignored every single point when any pressure was put on him.

          If he had applied his own principles in Europe, there would have been no WW2, no Iron Curtain, no Balkan wars of the 1990s, no European Union and no Great Replacement.

          Of course, it is odious hard to assign blame for WW2 to individuals, but he was definitely a key man in the basic processes.

        • Iananna July 18, 2020 at 6:59 am #

          The American diet was probably at its healthiest in the second world war. Fearing interruption to supply chains, Washington launched a national Victory Gardening programme within a fortnight of Pearl Harbor, and saw two thirds of the population heed the cry to fill their backyards, rooftops and window boxes with veg. The scheme was so successful that, by 1943, home-gardeners were producing 43 per cent of all fresh food consumed.

      • DrTomSchmidt July 17, 2020 at 1:03 pm #

        Wilson was FAR more damaging than Trump, who as yet has not started a major war.


        The Sedition Act of 1918 (Pub.L. 65–150, 40 Stat. 553, enacted May 16, 1918) was an Act of the United States Congress that extended the Espionage Act of 1917 to cover a broader range of offenses, notably speech and the expression of opinion that cast the government or the war effort in a negative light or interfered with the sale of government bonds.

        There’s NOTHING Donald Trump has done that is worse than this.

        • Sredni Vashtar July 17, 2020 at 1:06 pm #

          He was a stooge of the International Bankers. His handler’s name was “Colonel” (he had no military experience) Mandell House. Eisenhower’s handler was Bernard Baruch. Nixon’s was Kissinger. Bush’s was Cheney. Trump’s is Kushner, etc.

        • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 1:36 pm #

          Millard Fillmore ((1850–1853) wasn’t so good either.

          • malthuss July 17, 2020 at 3:53 pm #

            nor are you.

          • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 4:11 pm #

            Kind of putting the cart before the horse are you not? Relax, I’m not going to be elected. Most likely that is.


            K-Dog For President.

            And here I was planning to go the whole day without doing the KDFP thing and you forced me into it.

        • Nightowl July 17, 2020 at 1:46 pm #

          Well, he hasn’t started any war — let alone a major one.

          This is also one of the main reasons the Uniparty hates him so.

          • eatabanker July 17, 2020 at 7:30 pm #

            K-Dog for President of the Walter Mitty Fan Club

      • BackRowHeckler July 17, 2020 at 2:18 pm #

        President Wilson had a stroke halfway thru his 2nd term; he couldn’t even feed himself.


        • malthuss July 17, 2020 at 3:53 pm #

          who wiped his butt?

          • megaculpa July 17, 2020 at 9:47 pm #


      • wolfbay July 17, 2020 at 3:10 pm #

        Wilson created the Federal reserve. WW1 was a stalemate before Wilson got us into that” foreign entanglement “ we were supposed to avoid. Instead of negotiated peace that both sides could live with his intervention gave England and France a clear victory that lead to such a harsh treaty that the rise of someone like Hitler was likely. Not my favorite president anyway.

      • eatabanker July 17, 2020 at 7:01 pm #

        Wilson was a useful idiot for the bankers.

      • amb July 18, 2020 at 4:37 pm #

        Would someone shut this guy up. He’s a clueless TDS victim.

        • K-Dog July 18, 2020 at 5:35 pm #

          Kiss My Ass.

          This is Donavan LaBella. He was shot in the head by Federal Marshals acting on behalf of Donald J. Trump on July 11th 2020 in Portland Oregon. Viewer discretion is advised. This is the portion of that was removed from mass media reports. AND WHICH WAS TAKEN DOWN from my YOU TUBE account within 5 minutes of me posting it there.


          You don’t know what clueless is.

    • zekesdad July 17, 2020 at 10:33 am #

      Wilson also started us on the path to empire with our entry to World War I, and gave us the income tax to pay for the the military industrial complex and the social welfare state. People went along with it because it would only be 3%, and levied on the rich. A hundred years later one of the presidential candidates says that a top rate of 35% plus all the other taxes people pay isn’t enough.

      • bluekayak July 17, 2020 at 10:54 am #

        We never should have jumped into WWI; by breaking the stalemate we paved the way for the horrors of the Soviet Union and the Third Reich. Europe would be a much more congenial place if the Hapsburgs, Hohenzollerns, and Romanovs were still on the throne. The Mideast might be better off, too, if the Sublime Porte still ruled the area that was chopped into absurd arbitrary “nations” like Iraq and Saudi Barbaria by Sykes and Picot.

        Worse that the income tax was the establishment of the Federal Reserve. Rumor is the big banks were going to spill the beans about Wilson’s gumada, so they had him by the ‘nads and he caved in.

        • Kim July 17, 2020 at 9:20 pm #

          Europe would be a much more congenial place if the Hapsburgs, Hohenzollerns, and Romanovs were still on the throne.The Mideast might be better off, too, if the Sublime Porte still ruled the area that was chopped into absurd arbitrary “nations”

          I will applaud you for at least having an opinion on the matter – it is pretty much the opinion of the Rockefellers, the EU and the Mont Pelerin Society, that Europe is best ruled by a royal court overseeing a squabbling multi-ethnic menagerie of poorly-educated savages-ethnic.

          That would be heaven for them of course but the dynasties that you name

          – all lived in eternal conflict both with each other and with their own subjects and were all either constantly threatening war on each other or were engaged in anti-ethnic repressions

          – all were very poor governors and had no idea of how to manage their territories for the good of their subjects,

          – in the case of the Habsburgs of the 19th C – the Austro-Hungarian Empire – they were perhaps the stupidest clot of beplumed pinheads ever to have been given so much power and their subjects had a fierce hatred for them. Just ask the Serbians, Albanians, Hungarians, Macedonians, Croats, etc. It was no accidents that the spark for WW1 was lit in the Balkans.

          – The Hohenzollerns were popular of course, but Germany at that time was well on its way to becoming a modern national democracy and had a roaring economy.

          – The Romanovs – like the Habsburgs, a congeries of morons, were totally unaware of what was happening around them. Apparently they couldn’t take the hint of 1905 and the regular terrorist assassinations murders. On the other hand their economy was booming – in terms of growth it was the China of its day – and while it had Stolypin as PM, the future was looking bright, but then of course he was murdered.

          – As to the Ottomans, they were a spent force. Its small wealth was in low level farming, its tax system was poor, regional operatives/governors/chiefs didn’t want to send money to the metropolis, there were centrifugal local ethnic forces (Kurds, Armenians, etc), that the Rusians were keen to stir up, differential tax burdens where non-Moslems were taxed more than Muslims and excluded from government, and the Russian Empire was a constant expanding and undermining presence in the North and East while the Habsburgs pressed on Ottoman territory in the Balkans. Meanwhile, Britain and France wanted that oil. Even tiny Greece started a war to grab Ottomon territory in the Middle East.

          The Ottomans were no picnic to live under – the lastnail in its coffn was being sidelined as a trading route by the operation of the Suez canal. It was ruled by an anti-science religion in an age of technology. Oil could have been its hope, but the rule seems to be that finding oil on your territory is not really the blessing we might expect. It was a social, economic, and cultural shithole, going backwards if anything. It was dead in the water.

          • abbybwood July 19, 2020 at 7:08 pm #

            I want to party with Kim!!!

      • tlauria July 17, 2020 at 11:22 am #

        While I agree with most of what you wrote, I’d point out that we seriously set out on the road to empire under the guidance of Teddy Roosevelt. Remember that little contrived war with Spain?
        But it wasn’t only TR. There was Hearst of course and Henry Cabot Lodge, Republican senator from Mass.

        Great book by Evan Thomas chronicles it all:
        The War Lovers – Roosevelt, Lodge, Hearst and the Rush to Empire, 1898

        Highly recommended if you love history.

      • SW July 17, 2020 at 12:37 pm #

        Wilson was elected on the platform that he would not take the country to war — then he did. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

        • Sredni Vashtar July 17, 2020 at 1:08 pm #

          FDR the same. Dupes of the International Bankers. Daddy Warbucks was Warburg. Now they’re taking America down even as they took Old Russia down. Think we can escape? Is Trump our Czar Nicholas?

          • SW July 17, 2020 at 1:53 pm #

            I think Trump is a victim of his own success and counted heavily on the polls that kept saying he was going to lose. Melania always looked like she’d had it with him and who could blame her? She signed up to be the trophy wife and is now stuck with being First Lady and shielding her son from publicity.

            I don’t think we can escape and I don’t think it’s Trump’s fault this happened on his watch. He was good at what he did prior to the Presidency — sleazy real-estate deals, reality TV star who’s only line was You’re Fired!, selling crap, cheating on his wife, going bankrupt, and having his face in front of a camera with ridiculous theories.

            This is a man who never held public office of any sort prior to 2017 and is being blamed for policies that were either put in motion or already in place before he came to office. And the more the media screams, the easier it is for the culprits who created this chaos to stroll away without blame.

          • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 2:17 pm #

            I find your analysis, very insightful.

    • redrock July 17, 2020 at 10:47 am #

      Truer words.

    • Mountain gal July 17, 2020 at 11:11 am #

      As opposed to fake men and women pretending to be the opposite sex from which they were born…….

    • Robert White July 17, 2020 at 11:35 am #

      My grandfather White was Canadian Infantry during the First World War and he lost his leg in a farm field in France during action. I am my grandfather’s grandson and my WW2 RCAF father’s son too.

      My grandfather and father were both Canadian military members because they believed the absolute bullshit their government was feeding them whereas I’m not that stupid, Walter.

      Human beings are the same as they were back in the Halcion days of ignorance in 1918 IMHO.


      • benr July 17, 2020 at 1:54 pm #

        No Mr. White you simply believe in an entire other set of lies.
        Does this make you stupid or just another fallible human who thinks they have a clue?
        Don’t let that huge ego get in the way of some serious reflection.

        • Robert White July 17, 2020 at 2:44 pm #

          Experience is no lie, benr. Existentialism is no lie either, and neither am I.

          I am what I am just like Popeye the sailor man, man.


          • benr July 17, 2020 at 4:09 pm #

            You admitted to smoking dope so we can add delusional to that list.

          • Robert White July 17, 2020 at 5:08 pm #

            What list?

            I admitted to smoking marijuana and hash which is not a known causal link to so-called ‘delusion’ of any sort that I am currently aware of being the one formally educated in Experimental Psychology proper, sanctioned by the APA, and well versed with the American Diagnostic Manual of Mental Disorders, and associated revisions to the nomenclature.

            Delusion is characteristic of psychosis which marijuana cannot induce unless one ingests copious amounts of marijuana via GI Tract. Smoking marijuana leaves one at a disadvantage to attain levels of THC that would reactively cause psychosis in any test subjects one could come up with.

            Reefer Madness was a CIA mythology to undermine hemp industry, and prevent 50s youth from becoming pot heads like Gene Krupa and his jazz colleagues that the squares in the CIA were threatened by because they were not hip to the beat, man.


          • Majella July 17, 2020 at 5:28 pm #

            Benr, could POSSIBLY get MORE simplistic in your reasoning?

    • SouthernYankee July 17, 2020 at 11:13 pm #

      There are still plenty of honorable men (and women) in the US Walter. Fear not for they will once again re-emerge from the woodwork.

    • volodya July 18, 2020 at 9:47 am #

      Yes indeed Walter B, the pathologies are there for all to see, including  a manhood that isn’t worthy of the name as witnessed by a seemingly endless parade of women claiming sexual abuse by powerful and not so powerful men, which inevitably leads to a question: where were the men in these women’s lives, you know, the fathers, brothers, boyfriends, husbands, that should have delivered knuckles and boots to the chins and nuts of those doing the abusing? 

      It is an unbelievable dereliction, maybe historic, because when in history have we seen its like? Since when have sports coaches and movie-makers held such life and death power that they couldn’t be brought to heel by well-placed punches and kicks from outraged male relatives of these women? And what police force and judiciary worth their salt would dare prosecute such guys as protect their women-folk?

      A flapping-fish economy, a judicial branch that likewise isn’t worthy of the name as evidenced by a deluge of investigative malpractice, prosecutorial misconduct and a politically partisan judiciary that doesn’t even pretend to be objective. Is justice blind? Maybe, but not in a good way.   

      • volodya July 18, 2020 at 9:49 am #

        meant as reply for walter B way up the discussion thread. Somehow ended up here.

      • SouthernYankee July 18, 2020 at 1:30 pm #

        This “manhood” problem will prove to be an unfortunate artifact during the ascendancy of Petro-man, a species which will be relegated to the dustbin along with many other failed species throughout earth’s history. Like the Yugo or GM EV1 electric car. Revolting.

  2. Pucker July 17, 2020 at 10:17 am #

    I think that the way that the AI algorithms employed now by online schools to manipulate the minds of people to lure them, particularly different minority groups, to buy their online education courses is very creepy…. I think that the Marketing Industry was born out of the propaganda effort during WWI to sell a ridiculous, ludicrous foreign war to the American Public. President Wilson is not my favorite US President. Now, they’re employing AI algorithms to manipulate human minds in extremely irrational and bizarre ways. And no one seems to notice, presumably because the average American mind is now “Mush”. The Americans have no sense of History and rather mindlessly shout empty slogans and pull down statues. They’re quite MAD….

    “ ‘Propaganda techniques have advanced so much faster than the reasoning capacity of the average American that to close the gap and shape American thought intellectually outside a framework of propaganda is impossible.”

    • malthuss July 17, 2020 at 10:17 am #

      Wilson, friend of the Federal Reserve. Or fiend of the FR.

    • Walter B July 17, 2020 at 10:20 am #

      And technology has multiplied the effectiveness of propaganda by a thousandfold. The masses never stood a chance.

      • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 12:33 pm #

        Walter, it is a perfect storm. The technique is mature with much art and never has the American public been more suggestible to the effects of deliberate deception than now. Competing social structures to counter the effects are negligible. Family is weak and the 24 hour news cycle combined with contemporary digital social isolation is a situation ready made for big brother. Just add dickheads and the system is good to go.

        Two years ago we lamented in these comments how quickly Americans forget and adopt a ‘new reality’ of the day. Whatever that reality may be. How quickly we forget.. Twenty-four hour news junkies think themselves immune but are they the most succeptable of all.

        • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 1:13 pm #

          The hope that connecting everyone digitally would create a strong culture of well informed citizens was an error. Instead, it turns out the more connected a man is the more he is propagandized. With the new intensity of digital connections which make film and print seem like tools of cave men.

          Be propaganda social or political, what the Red Guards carried in their pockets as Mao’s little red book is now a phone with apps that do everything for you. All your thinking too.

    • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 10:23 am #

      This is true. Whoever wrote that knew what they were talking about!

    • Sredni Vashtar July 17, 2020 at 1:10 pm #

      It’s rumored that Harry and Megan Markle were gathering “educational materials”. Every little Black girl deserves to become a princess.

      • malthuss July 17, 2020 at 9:26 pm #


  3. neurodoc July 17, 2020 at 10:19 am #

    Truly inspirational blog this morning. The reality is that REALITY Exists, and that fact has been clouded by conceptions of ‘it rains up’ if I want it to. At some unconscious level, most productive and reasonably intelligent people have an understanding that we are living in a suffocating bubble of bullshit slogans, pussified political correctness, bureaucratic nonsense, and globalist corporate tyranny; what JK is describing is the rupture of all those things, leading to true freedom, hard and gritty freedom, but freedom nevertheless. Bring it.
    And, by the way, lock and load. (and for the libtards new to owning firearms, keep your finger off the trigger until firing, and don’t point toward anything you don’t want to kill).

    • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 10:33 am #

      How is being told to ‘Get off the bus Gus, makin no plans Stan’. Inspirational. I don’t buy the sugar on this bitter pill of there being plenty of work or that there is some kind of camaraderie in all this. No, not everybody is in the same boat.

      Thinking there is camaraderie in all this is the little match girl looking at the Christmas feast through window glass. They find her outside in the morning frozen stiff. Surrounded by a ring of burnt matches.
      Just before she died she looked at the turkey really and felt she was part of things.

      “Don’t despair, and if you find yourself veering toward it, get over yourself”.

      But is a life scrambling for canned beans really superior to a life bored to death by Bingo or a shopping network that never runs out of $19.95 plastic?

      I think the issue is open for debate!

      • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 11:45 am #

        Just before she died she looked at the turkey really and felt she was part of things.

    • redrock July 17, 2020 at 10:50 am #

      Your call is very important to us. Someone will be with you shortly. BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ off.

  4. zekesdad July 17, 2020 at 10:22 am #

    “.. getting food to people, making things they need, distributing them, fixing things that are broken where possible, and moving people and stuff from point A to Pont B. There will be plenty of work for people who are willing to do it.”

    That’s fine for people of working age, but what about us who are 70 and older? I’ve done my share of making and fixing stuff, moving stuff around on loading docks, etc. I really don’t see myself climbing a ladder to paint houses again. Fortunately, I have more than Social Security, but not everyone does. One of the biggest things that will make us go broke as a nation all at once is all the promises made to people that won’t be able to be kept. That’s when things will get really ugly.

    • MiddlePeninsula July 17, 2020 at 10:32 am #

      Zekesdad, you are so right. My first social security payment arrives in five days. Wonder exactly how long I will collect that going forward? Everyone’s debt is someone’s asset. The wave of evictions is coming along with the various car loans, student loans, mortgages etc. that simply won’t get paid will be massive. Here in Richmond, Mayor Stoney came up with a program to provide rent relief to “non-citizens”. WTH? Seeing how his city has a population of plenty of citizens that need rent relief, I am amazed that city hall is still standing.

      • torquemada July 17, 2020 at 10:55 am #

        That’s because identity politics has served its role – obfuscation of the actual relation of the masses to capital. Unlike the progressives of old, who sought the redistribution of actual money, modern progressives seek the redistribution of feel good social capital. Social capital is stuff like victimhood points and condescending deference in all historical and social questions (see the 1619 Project). Basically, PoC are beyond fault, unless they’re conservatives, in which case they’re also white supremacists. Since geezers not getting social security payments only interests the progressives insofar as it impacts “people of color”, I wouldn’t expect to say any riots when they implement austerity. They will, however, riot when a drug-addled man dies in police custody.

        Make no mistake, the purpose of reparations and other social-capital programs will do absolutely nothing to ameliorate the situation of Black Americans – it will, however, line the pockets of the future Department of Social Justice, and this is very explicitly by design.

        It’s just class warfare all the way down. That sucks, but hey, at least we get cheap TVs.

      • Northern Neck July 17, 2020 at 12:20 pm #

        Virginia is known for its hospitality.

    • RB July 17, 2020 at 10:41 am #

      “That’s fine for people of working age, but what about us who are 70 and older?”

      It’s too late to go now. Whether age, poor health, little wealth, family connections, stubborn mate and so on. The rural areas and smaller communities might not have the crime levels as a city but neither are the trucks going to be rolling in to restock shelves. Having grown up in an agriculture community decades ago, the farmers did not have a garden. It was just more work. Today of course, the seed companies have made sure you cannot use seed from a previous crop and real heirloom seeds are not easy to come by last I looked.

      No, its too late to run unless you have a lot of money that someone will still take in payment. The smart money is on the rich who bought safe places some years back such as in New Zealand. Money does buy happiness and safety until it’s worthless. We are headed towards worthless.

      You had better be concerned about your pharmaceuticals. What happens if your insulin isn’t in stock at CVS? What happens if your oxygen doesn’t get delivered to your door.

      Nope. Too late and as that good old Vietnam days song went, “nowhere to run to”.

      • Daddyotis July 17, 2020 at 1:48 pm #

        “ It’s too late to go now.“

        “ real heirloom seeds are not easy to come by last I looked.”

        Strongly disagree on these 2 points, RB. Heirloom seeds are quite available to those who look. I think you might be thinking about seed used by mega farmers for monocropping. There you’d have a point. The problem there is that megafarming is unsustainable and won’t be part of the upcoming WMBH following SHTF. Jim has always been an advocate for downsizing, and having a store of heirloom seeds for ones own household garden is conducive to that.

        My own experience in trying to grow as much of my household’s food as possible is that gardening has a steep learning curve, and one’s location in the country is of paramount importance to deciding what to grow and when. Glad I started years ago and can now benefit from my many mistakes. Even though it is currently unnecessary, I try to collect seeds every year from as many crops as I can (seeds won’t be as available in TWMBH:-))

        • Q. Shtik July 17, 2020 at 2:48 pm #

          gardening has a steep learning curve – Daddy


          Jesus H. Fucking Christ!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          I must have written about learning curves at least 10 times and STILL no one gets it!!!!!!!!

          Although it is counter intuitive a STEEP learning curve is easier and less time consuming to traverse than a shallow learning curve. I am not going to go into further detail. Go buy a book on learning curves.

          • Q. Shtik July 17, 2020 at 3:00 pm #

            Nevertheless, I get your point… gardening/farming is difficult.

          • Sredni Vashtar July 17, 2020 at 5:38 pm #

            We have to flatten that curve.

        • elysianfield July 17, 2020 at 7:43 pm #

          I recommend this company to ANYBODY who wants to garden. Been using them for years…propagate my own seeds from the produce.

          Not only are they the go-to for Heirloom varieties…and they have a HUGE catalog… and their prices are cheaper than anyone else.


          Trust me on this.

        • benr July 18, 2020 at 9:16 am #

          Thats why the farmers almanac was so popular.

      • Kim July 17, 2020 at 9:33 pm #

        The smart money is on the rich who bought safe places some years back such as in New Zealand.

        In what way is New Zealand a “safe place”? People seem to think that it is some kind of fantasyland separeate from the problems of the real world but it has the same energy problems as everywhere else in the world.

        People are very misinformed on NZ. Just a couple of posts ago, majella was making the claim that NZ ran on 90% hydro power.

        In fact NZ gets only 11% of its power from hydro. 70% of its primary energy comes from oil and oil products.

        But of course even the 70% figure is meaningful only as long as the entire system is working. Once the oil stops – or gets too expensive, or demand for it is killed off – then the whole system dies. It isn’t as if the 11% of energy that is hydro-derived will continue to be supplied. Because it is a system. It all works together.

        So no, NZ is not bug-out island. It is not going to be a safe place.

        • Majella July 19, 2020 at 6:34 am #


          Thanks for pointing out my error – to clarify, 90% electricity is from hydro.

          Still, your other figures don’t co-incident with the truth.

          TOTAL energy use, including fossil fuels – mostly used for transport – is a different equation, and

          New Zealand has the third highest rate of renewable energy as a portion of primary supply in the OECD (after Norway and Iceland). 40% of our energy comes from renewable sources.’


          But you’re right. There’s nothing way down there for you! Please, all you “bug-out” freaks, keep the hell away!

      • SouthernYankee July 18, 2020 at 1:33 pm #

        Will the circle be unbroken
        By and by, Lord, by and by
        There’s a better home a-waiting
        In the sky, Lord, in the sky

        – Nitty Gritty Dirt Band

    • Loneranger July 17, 2020 at 2:11 pm #

      I’m in my 85th year, and I consider myself still at “working age”. I’m a professional artist, and write novels that are published. I’ll stop working three days before my funeral.

      • abbybwood July 17, 2020 at 7:26 pm #

        What an inspiration you are to me!

        I love your work ethic and positive attitude!!

      • Kim July 17, 2020 at 9:35 pm #

        What is your best recent time over 100 meters? The current record for the over 80s is approx 14.5 secs. Some Norwegian guy.

  5. Walter B July 17, 2020 at 10:23 am #

    There actually are places and I helped my brother find one. I may be headed there myself if this plays out like I think it will. Havens are out there but they no not just jump out and say “here I am come and get it”. You have to work for it.

    • sophia July 17, 2020 at 11:29 am #

      What if they take our land away?

      • elysianfield July 17, 2020 at 12:29 pm #

        “What if they take our land away?”

        Doable, but difficult against an armed population. People can be complacent until stripped of everything they value.

        Have you ever trapped a rat in a corner? I have*. At some point, it will attack you. Humans, many of them less sympathetic than the rat, might do the same.

        *Chased me back 10 feet, the rat jumping 3′ in the air…screaming. While backing up, I was swinging a club at it…it bit the club with every swing.


        • Kim July 17, 2020 at 9:45 pm #

          Weapons are not sufficient for resistance. The key requirement is that people be of one mind. As Solzhenitsyn famously said…

          ?“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if…for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation….”

          But that is where the bad guys have the advantage over us. They have been very effective at destroying the community’s unity of mind. In this way they have sought to destroy our unity of action.

          That is why we have had and are having the Great Replacement. The dynasts know that there cannot be concerted action if there is not a base of common culture, allegiance, and obligation. So they obviously prefer to rule over a subject mass of squabbling and uncoordinated ethnicities.

          They want to go back to a Habsburgian kind of rule, but they want their empire to rule the entire formerly Western world.

      • feralandroid July 17, 2020 at 1:40 pm #

        There are still some places in the US where taking the land would be like trying to fight the afghans. Except we are better armed.

        • Kim July 17, 2020 at 10:03 pm #

          When they fought the Soviets, beginning 1980, things went very badly indeed for the Afghans until they got Stinger missiles in 1986.


          There are a number of things that were available to the mujahadeen – and classically, to any successful guerilla movement – that would not be available to the people of the United States.

          – US citizen guerillas would not have a neighboring country to shelter in.

          – They would not have a strong foreign international sponsor to supply them with financial, miltary and diplomatic support

          – The government attack on the people would have unrestrained genocidal goals, not political goals. It would be the culimination of the Great Relacement, like Toussaint-Louverture’s Haiti but on a continental scale.

          Take Afghanistan as an example. As with the USA and Vietnam, the Soviet war was not on the people, but to control the country. Nonetheless, in ten years they killed 1.3 million Afghanis, drove 5.5 million into external refugee status and over 2 million into internal refugee status.

          So, the Soviets flat out killed 8% of the population. Even though they styled themselves as liberators and so had to act with relative restraint.

          Genocides are different. Look at Pol Pot or the Holodomor or the 1965 anticommunist action in Indonesia. When the goal is “Kill the farmer. Kill the Boer.” or “White Lives Don’t Matter”, and that is government policy, don’t expect the conflict to look like a guerilla way. There is no reason to hold back. In fact, it is against policy. So exterminations look different.

          This is a very important point because – as is well known – guerilla movements do not have to win wars. That is not the goal. They only have to survive until the opposition gives up.

          Genocides ensure that guerilla wars do not last that long.

  6. neurodoc July 17, 2020 at 10:26 am #

    If you live in one of the megacities, one can get one’s cranium out of anus and get out to anywhere else. The megacities are and will be nothing more than south american slums in the future. THe people who stay will deserve being eaten by the cannibals that remain. Where to go: wyoming, dakotas, OK, nebraska, montana; just don’t come southeast, you’re not welcome and some of us might eat you too.

    • zekesdad July 17, 2020 at 10:40 am #

      Except for Oklahoma, the places you mentioned are pretty nice in the summer, but cold as hell during the long winter.

    • elysianfield July 17, 2020 at 12:31 pm #

      “THe people who stay will deserve being eaten by the cannibals that remain.”

      Might rethink that statement. No one deserves to die because they could not change their circumstances.

  7. NickelthroweR July 17, 2020 at 10:32 am #

    I voted with my feet a few months back and made it out of California just in time. How they are going to give free health care to illegal immigrants, reparations and the other insanity programs they have ready to go is beyond me. Especially now that a million or so of its wealthier citizens have fled and a third of its budget has vanished.

    • SW July 17, 2020 at 1:34 pm #

      I imagine if you go back to LA in ten years it will look like the set of Blade Runner. The teacher’s union who you’d think would be capable of thinking, apparently aren’t. They presented the city with a list of demands before they would go back to work that included such gems as:

      ” According to the document, ‘The only people guaranteed to benefit from the premature physical reopening of schools amidst a rapidly accelerating pandemic are billionaires and the politicians they’ve purchased.’

      No mention of the children not actually doing any school work and being unsupervised.

      “In Los Angeles during the first weeks of lockdown, roughly one-third of high schoolers — 40,000 students — were failing to stay in daily contact with their teachers. Another 15,000 students had not logged into class or completed any work at all.”

      The conclusion — “Even before schools closed due to the pandemic, LA’s public schools had an average math proficiency of 28 percent and an average reading proficiency of 38 percent. Doubtlessly, these rates will drop even further in 2020.”

      It’s over. The full effects of illiteracy, “social justice”, illegal immigration, drought might take several more years to hit home. But if a major earthquake hits any time soon, I can’t imagine how they’d handle it.

      • abbybwood July 17, 2020 at 7:36 pm #

        Me thinks there is a showdown coming between Gov. Newsom and Orange County here in CA.

        He just ordered school districts in about 22 counties to keep their schools closed in the Fall. But the Orange County Board of Education just voted to have the schools open (I think the recommendation echoed that of the American Association of Pediatrics: No masks and no social distancing).

        Of course the teachers should be free to wear masks if they choose.

        This could get very interesting.

    • wolfbay July 17, 2020 at 3:17 pm #

      it’s called MMT.

    • elysianfield July 17, 2020 at 7:47 pm #

      “I voted with my feet…and made it out of California just in time.

      Me too…in 1972….

  8. Pucker July 17, 2020 at 10:35 am #

    Speaking of a Bigger Picture…,

    Why did they call him “Huey Long”?

    • B_NOLA July 17, 2020 at 11:24 am #

      Because that was his name?

    • Sredni Vashtar July 17, 2020 at 1:16 pm #

      No American popular American politician ever had a more radical platform. A limit on income. Fine American Fascism. Killed by a dentist – no doubt a member of a secret society.

      • B_NOLA July 17, 2020 at 4:01 pm #

        He was accidentally killed by his own security. It’s unfair to judge Huey Long by modern standards. I would not be a fan of his today but he did a lot for Louisiana that could’ve only been accomplished by someone like Long (and his flaws). Similar to Trump in that regard.

      • Kim July 17, 2020 at 10:11 pm #

        What did Huey Long do for Lousiana? It was very limited.

        1. Extended the road and highway network.

        2. Built a couple of bridges out of New Orleans

        3. Brought natural gas to New Orleans

        4. Provided free school books to children in both government and religious schools

        He did this by taxing Standard Oil at a 2% rate. This was not a great burden at the time because Louisiana had considerable fossil fuel wealth.

        The problem with Huey Long is that his successes gave all kinds of socialist idiots the idea that any government can do whatever it wants fiscally at any time – that conjuring up government money is just a matter ofo having the will to do so.

        But teh fact of teh matteris that Huey Lng could not have mandated those things ten years ear;lier. He came along just as Standard Oil started to drag all of that wealth out of the ground.

        Praising the achievements of Huey Long is like praising the achievements of the Saudi Royal family. He was nothing special. He just happened to be there when the oil was being dragged out.

  9. Loneranger July 17, 2020 at 10:38 am #

    You can ignore reality, but reality will not ignore you…and it has TEETH!

  10. James Kuehl July 17, 2020 at 10:40 am #

    Good question, Mr. Kunstler. It’s hard to say if one is ready or not. I suspect many of us made plan and then had to adapt to the reality that didn’t match them. Some of us whine about that, others find it invigorating. I’d recommend surrounding yourself with the latter.

  11. Pucker July 17, 2020 at 10:45 am #


    Are you a sexagenarian?

  12. bluekayak July 17, 2020 at 10:46 am #

    A frightening but ultimately somewhat optimistic offering today. The one silver lining of the lockdowns was the revelation that over half our “economy” is total useless bullshit (and I include my own paper-pushing day job in that as well). I’m more than a little worried that a transition back to a way of life without 20,000 sq. ft. of retail space per person and the current panoply of government “free” shit for over half the population is going to get real ugly real fast; but the world at the other end of that transition will be a better place. Pushing 60 soon, don’t know that I’ll get to see it; hope my kid does…

    • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 10:57 am #

      Optimistic like a Norman Rockwell painting. But ALL THE ARABLE LAND IS GONE.

      So where you gonna go, JHK did not tell you that.

      Welcome to the joyful illumination that life is difficult for everybody. Who is ready for this epic journey?

      Nobody is ready, not even those who think they are. There are not enough dead possums to go around. People are going to get hungry and how can you help get stuff from point A to point B when you don’t even know where point A and B are?

      • bluekayak July 17, 2020 at 11:03 am #

        You got a point there, K-dog. Not enough space for 330 million to all go rural. That’s why it’s going to get real ugly real fast at some point.

        • Rupert July 17, 2020 at 11:28 am #

          Which is why I’ve embraced my self-interest.

          Wokeness seems tailor-made to give certain demos moral authority to eat, and others to starve, when the lean days come. Reject that and seek to live.

      • Mountain gal July 17, 2020 at 11:19 am #

        The wealthy are already buying up land and homes in the rural areas they feel ‘safe” in. My state’s real estate market is booming with tons of sales at or above asking price, often in cash, to out-of-state buyers. Those that can are getting out of the cities and places like FL fast. And they are running the prices up here beyond anything ordinary people(or our kids) can ever afford. And bringing their big city attitudes with them. It’s not gonna be pretty.

        • Billy Hill July 17, 2020 at 11:45 am #

          Places like FL? I think FL is gaining population via internal migration.

        • NickelthroweR July 17, 2020 at 12:15 pm #

          Wrong. Every single study I’ve looked at shows that the refugees that have fled places like Chicago, NYC and California vote conservative more so than the host population. After all, guys like me have lived under Fascist Karen Dictatorships and want nothing more of it ever again.

          If you are seeing lunatic liberal crap happening in your neck of the woods then look no further than your own millennials. They love communism. Start there.

          • Mountain gal July 17, 2020 at 12:57 pm #

            Ah, the studies. I’ll be sure to tell anyone moving here who expresses their leftist liberal woke views that the studies said they’re not like this!

          • feralandroid July 17, 2020 at 1:49 pm #

            Yea, I have heard that but it doesn’t mesh with what I see on the ground. My area has more people from California then natives and it is turning from a red city to purple. So someone is voting democrat. A lot of millennial transplants here too.

          • abbybwood July 17, 2020 at 7:44 pm #

            Planning my exit now back to my hometown in Ohio from Los Angeles. Probably September.

            Am 70 and will be leaving most of my sons and grandchildren behind, but I am ready to vote for Trump where my vote stands to make a difference. The little ones will survive without me.

            Plus, I miss the rain and thunder and lightning and robins and lightning bugs. And I have some writing to do.

            And my gravesite is awaiting me there. Bought by my grandma back in the 1960’s.

            Things come, and things go.

      • Northern Neck July 17, 2020 at 12:32 pm #

        Beg to differ: JHK posted an ad for a friend selling his charming home and business in Canada.

        • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 12:53 pm #

          138,543 dead Americans and the number is going up. The travel restrictions to Canada were due to expire yesterday. As deaths are on the increase I doubt they are lifted.

          Perhaps you can check and see since you differ and find out if the travel restrictions are renewed or if I can go up and check the property out. To see what bizness there be, selling snow to Eskimos.

      • elysianfield July 17, 2020 at 7:50 pm #

        “Nobody is ready, not even those who think they are.”

        …You would weep with envy.

  13. akmofo July 17, 2020 at 10:52 am #

    Apparently, between 1530 – 1780, 1.25 million Europeans were enslaved by African Jihadistanis. What happened to all them Europeans? Should we expect a similar slave trade to now emerge in Eurabia? Maybe one in the US?

    • torquemada July 17, 2020 at 11:01 am #

      Slavery is a constant throughout human history. Christendom was one of the only civilizations that did a halfway decent job of eradicating it, and now that that’s gone, I would be absolutely shocked if it didn’t make a comeback with a vengeance in the Long Emergency.

      • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 11:28 am #

        Taking the labor of another will be the only way to get rich in the new Babylon. The only path to unearned riches. Oil filled in for a while but now 20000 energy slaves will mean 20000 people once again.

        I hope a revived Christendom can do a better job fighting it. Christendom actually did not do so well last time around. Old Joe never stopped picking cotton. But there is of course more than one kind of Christian. There are some who are Christians in name only. Mostly they were the ‘Christians’ who screwed the pooch before.

      • Kevvia Knack July 17, 2020 at 11:37 am #

        Of course slavery will return in the Long Emergency— in some shape or fashion. People seem to forget that before the advent of fossil fuels it was human muscle power and animal muscle power that did the work. People who were foreign, less “educated” and vulnerable were exploited and abused. It is not a coincidence that abolition of slavery in the U.S. coincided with the development of the oil and coal industries in the 1860s. Slaves were no longer needed—machines could do the work. Slavery has existed since the beginning of the agricultural era 10,000 years ago. About the only culture that didn’t use some type of slavery is China, supposedly. They had an efficient agricultural system, apparently. The original slaves in ancient Rome were white Slavs—hence the term “slavery” Even Africans had slaves. The enslavement of Africans in the U.S. was a pernicious example of slavery, but there really isn’t anything that shocking or surprising about it, from a global historical perspective. This inconvenient truth riles a lot of people, understandably. A good book on the subject of fossil fuels and slavery is “The Energy of Slaves” by Andrew Nikiforuk. I realize I’ve simplified the subject here, but really….racism, slave reparations—-we’ve really got more pressing issues to contend with at the moment. Like, how the hell are we going to feed and shelter ourselves in the years to come.

        • Daddyotis July 17, 2020 at 5:14 pm #

          Kevvia: thank you for the book suggestion. It looks very interesting. I just ordered it for a nice summer read.

          • Kevvia Knack July 17, 2020 at 6:38 pm #

            YW. I bought the book a few years ago and reread it last week. It is a good book. Enjoy.

        • abbybwood July 17, 2020 at 7:52 pm #

          Here is something that shocked me!:

          Jews were some of the biggest slave traders and owners back in the day. You want statistics and evidence? Here ya go:


      • akmofo July 17, 2020 at 11:43 am #

        Oh Grand Inquisitor,

        When will slavery to ROME be ended?
        When will ROME demand this slavery be ended?

        Why is it Caesar Christ didn’t even speak out against slavery to ROME?
        How did Moses free the slaves and destroy the slave masters and our Messiah Caesar Christ did not?

        Who is the Godly one of the two?

        • CancelMyCard July 17, 2020 at 12:32 pm #

          Jesus Christ’s only known violent act was against the REAL slave-masters of the day — the Money-changers (bankers) — who he chased from the temple with a whip and trashed their tables stacked with ill-gotten wealth.

          Today, this would be the equivalent of a prophet taking on Wall Street and driving them out of business.

          • akmofo July 17, 2020 at 1:08 pm #

            Card Holder, please, a little less brainless dumbass propaganda parroting and little more actual critical thinking.

            Currency exchange is not banking. Banking didn’t exist at that time, and if it existed in a primitive form it was practiced by the State, such as ROME, and not by ordinary people exchanging currency, which is basically simple barter.

            The real reason this incident appears in Roman Scripture is because Roman Scripture is a dark satire of the Roman War campaign against the Jews in Judea. The Roman General/Emperor, Titus, had an incident during his war campaign against the Jews in Jerusalem, and so this incident is retold as a story of Roman Messiah Caesar Christ in Roman Scripture. There are hundreds of such analogous incidents and author Joseph Atwill in his essays and books does a good job exposing many of them. All these Roman war campaign incidents and their analogues in Roman Scripture are told in perfect one-to-one sequence, so we know without a shadow of a doubt where the story of Roman Messiah Caesar Christ originates.

    • Kim July 17, 2020 at 10:19 pm #

      Slave markets were still operating on the European Black Sea in the mid 1890s.

      The Nile explorer Samuel White Baker married a white slave girl he purchased in Budapest in 1859.


      While Baker was visiting the Duke of Atholl on his shooting estate in Scotland, he befriended Maharaja Duleep Singh and in 1858–1859, the two partnered an extensive hunting trip in central Europe and the Balkans, via Frankfurt, Berlin, Vienna and Budapest. On the last part of the voyage, Baker and the Maharajah hired a wooden boat in Budapest, which was eventually abandoned on the frozen Danube. The two continued into Vidin where, to amuse the Maharajah, Baker went to the Vidin slave market. There, Baker fell in love with a white slave girl, destined for the Ottoman Pasha of Vidin. He was outbid by the Pasha but bribed the girl’s attendants and they ran away in a carriage together and eventually she became his lover and wife and accompanied him everywhere he journeyed. They are reported to have married, most probably in Bucharest, before going to Dubrushka, but Sir Samuel certainly promised that they would go through another ceremony on their return to England – where they had a family wedding in 1865.

  14. Pucker July 17, 2020 at 10:55 am #

    “ Won’t that be a relief? Welcome to the joyful illumination that life is difficult for everybody. Who is ready for this epic journey?”

    I wonder what FDR would have thought of the shibboleth “White Privilege” when surveying the landscape of America’s “White Trash” poor in the 1930’s, particularly the white “Cracker” dirt farmer of the American South?

    Americans today are an ignorant people….

  15. redrock July 17, 2020 at 10:55 am #

    We have seen the enemy and it is us.

    • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 11:00 am #

      But I already knew that! It is an obvious fact which everyone can see if they have eyes.

      • Pucker July 17, 2020 at 11:42 am #

        “White Privilege” means that you get to be a serf rather than a slave.

      • Sredni Vashtar July 17, 2020 at 1:21 pm #

        What are we going to do about Black fragility and privilege?

  16. Ron Anselmo July 17, 2020 at 11:05 am #

    Great post today Jim, as usual. Your words always a bright spot.

    Today’s favorite: “Get this: none of these things now wobbling and staggering will be resurrected.”

    Nail on head Jim. Here’s a suggestion, people nowadays being so fond of tattoos, should have this tattooed on their foreheads.

    But how many dumbasses do you think would wake up and look in the mirror and see, “detcerrus eb lliw gnireggats dna gniilbbow won sgniht eseht fo enon : siht teG”, shrug their shoulders and just go hit their meth pipes?

    • Northern Neck July 17, 2020 at 12:38 pm #

      Ha! Too funny.

  17. Rodster July 17, 2020 at 11:16 am #

    “In 1918, the country was lashed by a far deadlier pandemic disease at the same time it was fighting a world war, and daily life barely missed a step.”

    It would have been great if Jim during his recent interview with Chris Martenson from Peal Prosperity had pushed back and made that comment to Chris because Jim just gave him a pass.

    Chris thinks this is the 2nd coming of Black Death II. Now the idiots who vote for the idiots in power will use this as an excuse for banning cash (say bye bye to your freedoms) and “forced injections” aka rushed to market and poorly tested vaccines. Will more die from the vaccines than the virus, who knows? Because we are seeing more and more of the world’s population being affected economically and socially from Covid 19 including malnutrition, hunger and starvation.

    Maybe the alternative media should call out the fear, hype and hysteria as BS that those in charge have used Covid 19 as a weapon. It’s right out of the Rham Emanuel playbook: “Never let a serious crisis go to waste”.

    I am not saying that Covid 19 is not serious. I am just saying the punishment did not fit the crime, just as Gerald Celente and Martin Armstrong share similar views on Covid 19. There was NO need to shutdown the Global eCONomy unless the idiots in power wanted to use the virus as a cover for taking down the global economy because they knew that’s where were headed anyway.

    I don’t recall these actions taking place during the Hong Kong flu in 1968. The place I see we are headed to is more like The Hunger Games. It’s going to be more Authoritarian Tyranny that will rule the people.

    • Billy Hill July 17, 2020 at 12:12 pm #

      Some weeks back Jim Sinclair proposed that the Covid-19 event was fortuitous in that it halted the unraveling of the financial system (repo crisis). Interest rates were threatening to rise beyond control (IOW, financial system collapse) owing to the demand for loans/money. There are two ways to address this: added liquidity or loan demand destruction. The former was in process with no end in sight, which is another description of financial system collapse (choose your poison: infinitely high interest rates or worthless currency). Covid-19 occurred at just the proper moment to shut down demand for money and preserve — for the moment — the world financial system.

      Sinclair is very careful to clarify that he is not suggesting anything other than a random, fortuitous event, and that the virus is real, and deadly for certain at-risk groups.

      Reading between the lines I think Sinclair is being coy, but we will never know the truth. At the moment, it is our reality whether we choose to believe in it or not.

    • feralandroid July 17, 2020 at 2:00 pm #

      BS. Chris does not think its the Black Death. His videos are just trying to make sense of the disease through all the political noise. He never endorsed the lock downs, he just thinks masks are a great idea.

      I for one really appreciate Chris’ approach to the pandemic. A lot better then either fear mongering or believing its all a hoax.

      The economy was going down with or without the disease anyway. Why do people like you insist on blaming the pandemic for what was inevitable?

      • Nightowl July 18, 2020 at 3:43 am #

        Cloth masks do nothing as the virus passes through them. In addition, wearing a mask for day to day activities makes you more likely to get sick, not less. The science is so basic a child can understand it.

        After about an hour, a mask begins to turn into a petri dish, and you inhale its contents, along with an overabundance of your own CO2.

        The level of idiocy on this issue is astounding.

        • Majella July 19, 2020 at 6:51 am #

          It certainly is.

    • EnterpriseSpaceship July 17, 2020 at 4:42 pm #

      in 1918, there were more and more gold-grade oil reserves to produce animating the Engine of society – and things functioned rosy.

      M. King Hubert was wrong, though: the right hand side of his curve is a cliff.

      This has also been confirmed by Hemingway!


  18. sophia July 17, 2020 at 11:17 am #

    How are the smaller and nimbler businesses to carry on when they are being continually squelched and shut down or not allowed to operate at capacity?

  19. Robert White July 17, 2020 at 11:24 am #

    Pre-Financialization the banking industry was a paltry infinitesimally insignificant portion of GDP compared to what it is today. In brief, the financial industry ran our bus into the ditch and loaded our engine crankcase with inappropriate viscosity oil so that the damn engine ceased to function due to too much wear on the piston rings which resulted in cylinder scoring that rendered the engine inoperable.

    Frankly, we all knew that the bus manufacturer installed a dysfunctional drivetrain back when Lehman Brothers Inc. wound up in the ditch with a cooked engine. Planned obsolescence and inferior engineering gave us the lemon drivetrain that we are forced to remanufacture at some juncture given the alternative dystopia of necropolis and death en masse.

    Looking at the beginning of this era of incompetent banking we are forced to return to post-WW2 finance bureaucracy where Bretton Woods defined parameters up until the age of Financialization where leveraged betting destroyed sound money and the architecture that backed it.

    Sound money was destroyed singlehandedly by Richard Nixon in 1971, but he himself claimed the switch was ‘temporary’ when in fact it was a permanent fixture of the newfound Ponzi architecture as Keynesian deficit spending went through the unsustainable roof even before Ronald Reagan surmised that government was just too damn big and cumbersome to function efficiently with the American dollar.

    Reagan era Economists knew this was an unsustainable Ponzi back when Stockman & Roberts were part of the Republican team they have since defected from knowing that the whole finance edifice is wholly unsustainable in the current form.

    American economic incompetence has brought the world to this juncture of unprofessionalism throughout the macroeconomic landscape. Financialization was an American invention that has failed miserably. Today, given the loss of Petrodollar USD supremacy, and the advent of One Belt One Road initiative which lends to a rising Yuan China supremacy it is no wonder that we are evidencing the dance towards thermonuclear hot kinetic conflagration throughout the South China Sea islands, and Baltic Sea region.

    American exceptionalism has turned on America and the world via failure to recognize when systems are breaking down ahead of the time that they in fact do break down completely.

    I’m hearing news that the whole system financial reset is going to be launched in 2021 at the Davos summit. If this is indeed true we can expect electronic fiat currency and blockchain tech to be implemented worldwide as the next control mechanism utilized to control us through finance and banking.

    Hegemony will be in bioinformatics next as the finance hegemonic state is irreparably damaged beyond repair mush as a tower of Babel of finance where the architecture is knowingly problematic, unsustainably weak, and dangerously unsafe.

    Ultra excellent composition today, Jim. Yes, we have to get over ourselves quick, I agree.


  20. Mountain gal July 17, 2020 at 11:25 am #


    And meanwhile, with all that is going on, the good city of Asheville NC has jumped into the “reparations” game.

    • SouthernYankee July 17, 2020 at 12:32 pm #

      Mountain Gal, thank you for posting this link. My wife and I last year visited Asheville thinking to relocate there from Florida. I’m glad we didn’t. Instead we live in a small deplorable farming community about four hours east near an old Civil War battlesite. And we have access to fresh produce right from local farms down the road, all around us. It’s wonderful, except for the occassional gunfire from the soon-to-be extinct crack/meth “community’ down the road.

      • Mountain gal July 17, 2020 at 12:39 pm #

        No, Asheville is lost. Visited there a few times and even considered trying to move there but realized their “wokeness” would drive me batshit; even worse than where I live now!

        • So many liars July 17, 2020 at 1:00 pm #

          I was born in Asheville. It makes me sad to see my hometown taking this step towards lunacy.

        • BackRowHeckler July 17, 2020 at 2:25 pm #

          Asheville must have deep pockets and plenty of schwag to give away.

          “You Can’t Go Home Again”

          elegy to Ashville.

          • Q. Shtik July 17, 2020 at 2:32 pm #

            “You Can’t Go Home Again” – BRH


            by Thomas Wolfe

            One of my favorite novels.

          • SW July 17, 2020 at 3:32 pm #

            BRH —

            Here’s #5 on the list —

            5) calls on the State of North Carolina and the federal government to initiate policymaking and provide funding for reparations at the state and national levels.

            The Good Citizens of Asheville would like others to pay for their virtue signaling.

        • SouthernYankee July 17, 2020 at 9:12 pm #

          Asheville may be lost but not all is lost. Moved elsewhere. Can’ stand Wokeness.

  21. JohnAZ July 17, 2020 at 11:42 am #

    Wilson was an old style Democrat, a bigot, a globalist, finance the Deep State at the expense of the public.

    The liberalization of the US has been caused by one two things, illegal immigration and the advent of the exclusive liberal academia. The increasing dependency of the US population that JHK and other bloggers have described needs a father figure to depend on. Since FDR, that is the Deep State. And to feed the liberal power base of the Deep State, fawning to the votes of the new gimme class of the public was a natural.

    The debt, social and financial of this political strategy, is now needing to be paid. Guess what, there is no social or financial capital to pay the debt.

    Trump goofed, he thought that he had the dealing expertise and the ego to fight off this onslaught.

    He was wrong, and the disappointment of the Deplorables will b felt this fall.

    The election of Democrats in DC is going to finish the jobs of breaking the country very quickly. The phony expansive economy created by reducing taxes and regulations is already gone, executed by a virus. The destruction of the meat of the economy will continue rapidly with a tax and spend happy Deep State in 2021.

    • Sredni Vashtar July 17, 2020 at 1:25 pm #

      Trump should have taken on Fauci and Birx back when this first started. They have a long head start on him. He knows it’s a hoax. He tweets about it but won’t stand by his tweets.

  22. Pucker July 17, 2020 at 11:52 am #

    The politician that FDR was most afraid of was Huey Long.

    Huey Long wanted to institutionalize Universal Basic Income, like Andrew Yang.

    • Kim July 17, 2020 at 10:22 pm #

      I am not aware that Huey Long ever proposed any such thing. He was a very clever man and far from being a communist or a lunatic.

      He knew perfecty well where money comes from.

      • SW July 17, 2020 at 10:42 pm #

        Ever heard this story about Huey Long? Asked by a reporter about his political success he said –” Find a rich man and take $3 from him, give $1 each to two poor men and keep one. You just made one enemy, two friends and a fast buck.”

        He also is reputed to have said the only way a politician could lose in Louisiana was to be found in bed with a dead girl or a live boy.

        • Kim July 17, 2020 at 11:37 pm #

          Yep. A very realistic man.

  23. Pucker July 17, 2020 at 12:11 pm #

    What happened when the Seaview ran out of spare parts for the Flying Sub?

    That Seaview submarine was a complicated piece of machinery requiring millions of finely-tuned complex parts. Do you remember Joseph Tainter’s book, “Collapse of Complex Societies”? Do you remember when the “Pollock” Kalwalski fucked up in Engineering and got an accidental dose of radiation from the ship’s nuclear reactor? Back then, if you got fried with nuclear radiation, the white people were so tough that they only had to see the Doc in “Sick Bay”. Now, everyone is such a Pussy, that they freak out if they’re called a few names and don’t have their “Safe Spaces”….

  24. SouthernYankee July 17, 2020 at 12:11 pm #

    The suspense is terrible! I hope it’ll last.” — Willy Wonka

    • Nightowl July 17, 2020 at 1:57 pm #

      I love that film.

      • SouthernYankee July 17, 2020 at 9:13 pm #

        Me too!

  25. Pucker July 17, 2020 at 12:20 pm #

    The only people who predicted the Covid 19 coronavirus were Bill Gates, Anthony Fauci, and Shi Zhengli, aka “The Bat Lady” of the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Should these people receive accolades for their prescience?

    • Mountain gal July 17, 2020 at 12:41 pm #

      Ha ha. No, but I think that since they are so adept at seeing the future they should provide us with the winning lottery numbers in advance! Horse race results too!

      • benr July 17, 2020 at 2:14 pm #

        This is looking more and more like a vaccine that must be taken at least three times a year!
        More about money then reality.

  26. wm5135 July 17, 2020 at 1:10 pm #

    “Get this: none of these things now wobbling and staggering will be resurrected.” JHK – Best Joe Friday line in ages, Just the Facts maam, just the facts.

    The sound of Ruby Slippers tapping together is becoming a thunderous din.

    The view from the Emerald Coast – The Hoax will be spreading in the fashion Albert Bartlett surmised would be our downfall. Hello Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Kentucky and Tennessee taking more than the sugar white sand home with you?

    ‘To die is to be a counterfeit, for he is but the counterfeit of a man who hath not the life of a man; but to counterfeit dying when a man thereby liveth is to be no counterfeit, but the true and perfect image of life indeed. The better part of valor is discretion, in the which better part I have saved my life.’ -Falstaff_Henry IV Honor? or lack thereof?

    Enjoy the weekend

    • elysianfield July 17, 2020 at 7:56 pm #


      Didn’t think much of the play…but the beer was good….

      • BackRowHeckler July 17, 2020 at 9:42 pm #

        Wait a minute E.

        Wasn’t Falstaff about on par with Piels Big Mouths, $2 a case.(Back in the day)?


        • elysianfield July 17, 2020 at 11:15 pm #

          Well, it was lower tier…better than Brew 102, however.

  27. Pucker July 17, 2020 at 1:28 pm #

    What would happen to Michael Myers in China? Would he have to register with the local Public Security Bureau? Would Michael Myers be able to run amok in a Chinese Hadfield? For god’s sake, we must feel “Safe” from all of this horrifying uncertainty! The Chinese and Foreign Bogeymen are everywhere!!!!!


    • Pucker July 17, 2020 at 1:57 pm #

      I think that the original Halloween movie was financed by some Egyptian Muslim bloke wearing sunglasses and a “Fez” named “Mustaffa”.

      It was a low budget movie with third rate actors. Jamie Curtis made her acting debut in this film. She later went in to get a nice Hollywood Boob Job. I’m not sure what it all means? The movie made a lot of money. It spawned a raft of copycat slasher movies.


      • elysianfield July 17, 2020 at 7:57 pm #

        “Jamie Curtis”

        Yeah. Do you know her real last name? …Might be a relative….

        • beantownbill. July 17, 2020 at 10:43 pm #

          Well, her father’s real name was Bernie Schwartz, so her real name is Jamie Lee Schwartz.

          • elysianfield July 17, 2020 at 11:13 pm #

            Indeed, it is.

      • benr July 18, 2020 at 9:22 am #

        The house Halloween was filmed in is on Orange street between hollywood blvd and sunset.
        Had an aunt that lived on that street used to walk by it all the time.
        The guy that owned it in the 80’s was one of the few people who actually owned a DeLorean.

  28. fugeguy July 17, 2020 at 1:35 pm #

    “Who is ready for this epic journey?”

    Not to throw cold water on a good and upbeat Friday post but almost no one is ready for this journey. Many will choose death over change.

    • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 1:53 pm #

      Others will not get to choose.

      • fugeguy July 17, 2020 at 2:59 pm #

        True enough.

  29. axisboldaslove July 17, 2020 at 1:37 pm #

    Excellent, highly relevant post today, Jim. Thank you!

    • SouthernYankee July 17, 2020 at 9:14 pm #

      What would Jimi say if he were alive today Axis?

  30. RB July 17, 2020 at 2:03 pm #

    What happened to Skorzeny?

    • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 2:09 pm #

      Why do people still ask. You are around enough you should know already. Sredni Vashtar

      • Q. Shtik July 17, 2020 at 2:36 pm #

        It makes one wonder about some people’s ability to actually pay attention.

        • Robert White July 17, 2020 at 3:30 pm #

          The human memory capacity brain/central nervous system on average at any one time is between eight and ten things in short-term memory store at once at any given time. Clusterfuck Nation comprises more than eight to ten avatars intermixed with real names like mine so that average memory is confounded when pulling up short-term memory storage for retrieval, and awareness.

          If I smoke marijuana all day and fail to sleep appropriately the night before my memory capacity would be reduced via reflex of memory in short-term store.

          Average people in the distribution of possible people in the population to choose from on sampling of averages would indicate that one should only expect others to remember eight to ten things, people, or places, at any one time of sampling the data, statistically speaking based upon Central Limit Theorem, of course.

          As information overloads readers one is reduced to utilizing availability heuristics to remember people, places, and things, apart from what one has to remember in any one instance on a blog.

          Janos switched to Sredni as he changed his online persona enough to disguise his whereabouts on the blog. It took me a while to recognize he was Janos even after I asked the blog where he disappeared to.

          Blame it on the weed, but it takes me awhile to figure out where Janos went too.


      • Sredni Vashtar July 17, 2020 at 11:03 pm #

        That is not confirmed.

        • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 11:40 pm #

          Nor is it denied. (I’ll pretend not to notice)

      • CancelMyCard July 18, 2020 at 11:37 am #

        Okay, Janos is SV.

        But does anyone remember why he got banished?

        • K-Dog July 18, 2020 at 11:41 am #

          I don’t know why she did. I think she decided on her own.

  31. scoubidou123 July 17, 2020 at 2:24 pm #

    I thought the US would at least make its way rickety-rackety to the November elections, for the winner to face a maelstrom of growing problems. But that was prior to the pandemic and riots.

    Now I’ll be surprised if the US does not reach a breaking point at the elections, or even before it. Lawful authority breaking down. States refusing to obey the federal government or laws, cities their states, the police their mayor or the national guard the governor. And then what?

    • BackRowHeckler July 17, 2020 at 2:27 pm #

      Then what, scoubidoo?

      Chaos, mayhem and bloodshed.


      • K-Dog July 18, 2020 at 11:48 am #

        Trump shock troops shooting people in the head with less-lethal weapons seems to be effective at quashing protest. Disappearing protestors off the streets in vans also seems to be working well. And the Portland federal buildings are still there.

  32. BuckP July 17, 2020 at 2:26 pm #

    In the movie Rollerball (1975), where a small cadre of corporations, who have supposedly solved all the world’s problems (war, crime, disease, poverty, etc.), rule the world with an iron-fist, Rollerball megastar, Jonathan E, laments the loss of freedom that was bequeathed to the oligarchal corporate masters for safety and security.

    Jonathan E: I’ve been thinking, Ella. Thinking a lot… and watching. It’s like people had a choice a long time ago between having all them nice things or freedom. Of course, they chose comfort.

    Ella : But comfort is freedom. It always has been. The whole history of civilization is a struggle against poverty and need.

    Jonathan E. : No! No… that’s not it. That’s never been it! Them privileges just buy us off.

    • elysianfield July 17, 2020 at 7:59 pm #

      …I’d buy that for a dollar….

  33. abcdef July 17, 2020 at 2:28 pm #

    Hi Mr. Kunstler,
    Well, we have Federal government employees “detaining” people without probable cause up in Portland. “Honestly, it just a Terry Stop!!!” Cities have not burned to the ground. White Americans seem more aware that racism is a BIG problem in this country, and the President continues to say that COVID is not a big deal, and it is time to take control of pesky statistics that just make people uncomfortable. It is looking more and more likely that the COVID “Scare” is not a scare, but a real problem. I want to point out that COVID would have likely been WORSE than the Spanish Flu. Look at the advances in epidemiology and medicine we have made over the last hundred years that have kept people who would otherwise have died, alive. We are a more complex society, but you would have to admit that our specialisation has also made us a richer one as well (if we don’t count the environmental damage we have been doing). We have all the mod cons our ancestors had and much more besides–it is also a more complex society, to be sure; that can make us more fragile and I agree that we feel that way today.

    The President is of a mindset that says that we must support the wealthy, and his party agrees with him. And you want him to be in charge in 2021? You like his faux populism that benefits the wealthy, and says poor folks–you are on your own! Why? Because the alternative is so much worse? OK, opinions will vary on that!

    So, I get the pivot back to your bread and butter issues of the approaching collapse of society. I have a lot of sympathy for that position, but it has not fundamentally changed in the 15 years that I have been reading you. Every crisis is the harbinger of collapse, and yet we managed to keep moving. One day, you will be likely right (given our current actions–how can we been doing so poorly on COVID when other crowded nations with contiguous borders appear to be doing way better?), but it is not this day, as it wasn’t in 2008 or earlier. Honestly, a little hat-tip to economist views about human behaviour under conditions of scarcity would be nice once in a while. As the price of oil increases, its price increases, and folks substitute towards cheaper alternatives and others explore and bring resources to find new deposits. I mean, did you really think back in 2005 when you were talking about this stuff that the US would be a NET exporter of oil in 2019? The issue isn’t oil or its peak, Mr. Kunstler. It is the way we are using up resources as a whole in an UNSUSTAINABLE manner. You are right–we need a simpler and less materially oriented life in order to not trash ourselves and the biosphere of the planet we rely on. I agree with you–we either do this voluntarily or it will be done for us. I think the jury is out on that one. The capitalist system that uses resources unsustainably and that you at times defend is also a part of this problem. It feeds the engine leading to this outcome you speak of. President Trump will not help us avoid that bad outcome–he will make it more likely. The President champions inequality and the engines of that inequality, and the major problem you point to is caused by inequality and a blind indifference to the damage we cause ourselves and others, human and non-human, by our actions. Economists call those impacts externalities–they can be good and/or bad. When we benefit by not paying the true costs of our actions, we free ride on those who do bear the costs. And we have allowed ourselves to have a free ride at the expense of our future generations.

    So, one ray of sunshine to throw into the mix: Everywhere and always we see the same thing–as income increases, beyond a certain threshold, fertility begins to fall, and populations start to stabilise and decrease. The demographic shift is a real phenomenon and explainable. As the opportunity cost of having kids goes up, the number women have goes down. We substitute away from kids as they get more expensive. Less people, less demand for resources. If we get less inequality and more social cohesion, more mutually held social capital used to do things that help us all we can avoid the worst that you see with the seer’s gaze. E.g., decent public transport, way less pollution, etc.

    I do have a degree of optimism here.Does society have to collapse or can it be transformed? We could be the Western Roman Empire that collapsed upon itself, or any one of the Chinese dynasties that ran its course into ruin; or the Maya for that matter. We face serious challenges and some serious inertia. But, we could also be like the Byzantine Empire–it was on the verge of destruction more than once, but survived against tremendous odds, though it eventually fell after a thousand year, small and worn out. But its capacity to reinvent itself delayed that outcome, due to the power of its people, its leaders, and its institutions to make necessary changes, for a thousand years. These things may be lacking in us and this could be the “three strikes and you’re out” for us. Do we all have to share your pessimism though? I am amazed by the ability of Americans to reinvent themselves in the face of necessity. We might fail this situation, but that outcome is not written in stone, Mr. Kunstler.

    You said: “Welcome to the joyful illumination that life is difficult for everybody. Who is ready for this epic journey?” You have made clear that it is our reliance on our individual decision making, self-interest, and pursuit of the profit motive that has gotten us here. What if society was ready for that epic journey? Could our solidarity as a society–a reinvention, if you will, provide a viable alternative?

    • fugeguy July 17, 2020 at 3:06 pm #

      So was it Nance standing in front of her $25,000 dollar freezer bragging about having 29 flavors of ice cream in her palatial home that convinced you the democrats care about the little guy? Or Hunter’s 90K a month no show job in the satellite state of Ukraine? Both parties routinely do stuff that would make a mob boss in Brooklyn blush.

      Pox on both…

    • jeff2002 July 17, 2020 at 6:08 pm #

      “I want to point out that COVID would have likely been WORSE than the Spanish Flu.”

      On what evidence do you base that statement? We’re dealing with a single-stranded RNA virus that, though more contagious than the normal flu, is showing to be no more lethal—the mortality rate is .2% .3% based on the latest antibody studies out of Stanford and Penn State. Similar numbers are trending internationally:


      And there’s no hard data to back up that it would have been worse without masks and social distancing. Belarus, a country that took zero measures to combat the virus, has one of the lowest fatality rates in the world, just 52 deaths per million. Taiwan didn’t lock down and they register just .3 deaths per million. Their total cases are less than 500.

      Sorry, I didn’t pay much attention to the rest of your post.

    • BackRowHeckler July 17, 2020 at 7:04 pm #

      Gloves are off in Portland, Feds are crushing Antifa. Well, goddamit after 45 straight days of riots something had to be done. Mayor Soyboy Wheeler doesn’t appear to be up to the task of taking control of his city. Apparently downtown business district is wrecked, city state and federal buildings vandalized beyond recognition.


    • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 7:16 pm #

      I do have a degree of optimism here.Does society have to collapse or can it be transformed?

      Sorry, the prince doesn’t want counsel, he only wants obedience.

      • Sredni Vashtar July 18, 2020 at 2:36 pm #

        Why would a Prince take counsel from his enemies? Society starts with loyalty and obedience. There’s apparently no such things as “his Majesty’s loyal opposition anymore.

    • elysianfield July 17, 2020 at 8:04 pm #

      “Well, we have Federal government employees “detaining” people without probable cause up in Portland. ”

      Alpha Bet,
      And how do you know that the detentions were without probable cause? Do you not think that cadre, and violent useful idiots have not been identified by the State? Think again. The gears of the law enforcement community turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine….

    • K-Dog July 18, 2020 at 12:01 pm #

      The Byzantine Empire falling was a good thing. They blinded their enemies and considered it humane.

    • abcdef July 18, 2020 at 11:24 pm #

      There have been a number of replies, so I will take your thoughts, one at a time. Thank you for your thoughts.

      fugeguy: So, you argue–a pox on both houses? How is that working out for you? Which party, likely to have a real shot of power is making any kind of noises that support the positions I hold and made plain in my post? Certainly not the GOP or the President. Does that mean the Dems will be fabulous? I will go with better rather than perfect. You are of course entitled to disagree with me on that. That is OK with me.

      jeff2002: On what evidence? Seriously? The scientific consensus is a lot different to what you are suggesting. In the rapidly changing landscape, the Swiss results are outside the consensus MAINSTREAM of scientific measures of IFR. You are quoting Belarus as definitive of your position?–I consider this cherry picking. I notice that you do not engage with the central place I have for the advances in dealing with this disease that are making its lethality much less than it would be if we had 1918 knowledge and technology. You may find the rest of my post interesting. Or not.

      BackRowHeckler & elysianfields: “city state and federal buildings vandalized beyond recognition.” Really? When I look at the buildings, I see the graffiti, but “beyond recognition”? Are you sure this isn’t hyperbole? And this legitimises such Federal behaviour? If so, suspend habeas corpus, as allowed under Article 1, section 9 of the Constitution. In the absence of that, this is unconstitutional. As for probable cause: Check out the differences in what is needed for ARRESTING someone (probate cause)–which is what these people did (um, putting hand-cuffs on someone makes that pretty clear, don’t you think?) and DETAINING someone in a brief custodial stop such as at a traffic stop (called a Terry Stop) (reasonable suspicion). SCOTUS has been VERY clear about this–a Terry Stop has to be short. 90 + minutes and being bundled into a van and held against your will? NOT OK. Why? If the police have probable cause they are not going to let this guy go! Or are you saying these police are incompetent and have no business being police officers? Either way–this is messed up behaviour. And elysianfield, you appear to support folks who carried out the shootings at Ruby Ridge and at WACO, back in the day–because that argument you just used was used by those supporting the Feds in those instances.

      K-Dog & Sredni Vashtar: Who is “the prince” here? President Trump of Mr. Kunstler? Or someone else?

      K-Dog: “They blinded their enemies and considered it humane” Yes and slavery was considered OK in colonial America, so, what are you saying?

      • elysianfield July 19, 2020 at 11:42 am #

        ” elysianfield, you appear to support folks who carried out the shootings at Ruby Ridge and at WACO, back in the day–because that argument you just used was used by those supporting the Feds in those instances.”

        Alpha Bet,
        No, both events were egregious. Law enforcement at it’s worst. The implication of the argument is sound…the application, not so much.

        Perhaps you are in the running for the Lon Horiuchi Memorial Trophy for judgmental error? Charles Whitman, the Patron Saint of Snipers, wept….

      • jeff2002 July 20, 2020 at 12:08 pm #

        If you want “mainstream,” here is what Dr. Anthony Fauci wrote in the New England Journal of Medicine in the spring:

        “If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.”

        And that is exactly what has transpired, according to the emerging seroprevalence data I pointed out in my post. (It’s not “Swiss results,” by the way, it’s merely a Swiss website that aggregates results from around the globe.)

  34. rainmaker July 17, 2020 at 2:29 pm #

    Hey K-Dog – if all the arable land is gone, doesn’t that mean that there are now too many people? If I vote for you for president, what are you going to do about human overpopulation?

    • BackRowHeckler July 17, 2020 at 3:49 pm #

      For all we know K-Dog might have a plan for mass extermination that he hasn’t revealed yet.

      K-Dog’s platform is light on details, so far.

    • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 4:06 pm #

      I don’t have to take care of it. You are aware of the problem so you know how little awareness of the situation there is in America. I am going to make people aware of the issues and ask people in the know what is the best way to proceed. There are many people who have been working this issue, you just don’t know about them.

      • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 4:20 pm #

        Perhaps I should mention I am a member of the MAHB.

        The Millennium Alliance for Humanity and the Biosphere:

        Responding to the human predicament. Reducing the threat of a shattering collapse of civilization.


        That is a better answer. Getting to work on overpopulation would happen right away.

        • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 4:23 pm #

          You make people aware and give them alternatives.

          • BackRowHeckler July 17, 2020 at 7:21 pm #

            What if the alternative they choose is buying a big 8 cylinder, 502 cu. in. Dodge Power Wagon, and mounting a massive Confederate flag on the back?

          • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 7:24 pm #

            Are the license tags up to date?

          • elysianfield July 17, 2020 at 8:07 pm #

            “What if the alternative they choose is buying a big 8 cylinder, 502 cu. in. Dodge Power Wagon, and mounting a massive Confederate flag on the back?”

            Goddamnit, BRH, you KNOW you need to get a Model 28….

      • scoubidou123 July 17, 2020 at 7:12 pm #


        The entire developed world, North America, Europe, Russia, the Far East is well below replacement level. For all of those countries, overpopulation is not an issue. Underpopulation is.

        There is also a long list of other countries (that may surprise many) who are also below: Brazil, Iran, Vietnam, Turkey, Columbia etc. An awful lot are barely above: India, Mexico, Indonesia, Argentina etc, and fertility rates just keep falling.

        Solving overpopulation is basically sit on your hands and do nothing and wait for ever smaller next generations. If only all problems were that easy to solve.

        Well, OK, OK there are some places that are still way above, subsaharan Africa and Afghanistan. Best of luck going there and telling them to stop having babies. If not, fence them out and let them deal with *their* overpopulation.

        • Kim July 17, 2020 at 10:31 pm #

          Re: Indonesia:

          In 1800, Java was already very heavily farmed and had a population of 5 million. Despite being the most fertile land in the world with a superlative growing season, it still had occasional famines and the people lived on the edge of having adequate daily calories. This was the case even into the 1960s.

          Today, the population of Java is 140 million.

          So what happens when the fertilizers and water pumps go away and they have to go back to growing just one low-yield season of rice a year instead of three and four high-yield seasons?

          There is no underpopulation problem anywhere in the world.

          • benr July 18, 2020 at 9:24 am #

            You ever driven coast to coast through the U.S?

          • scoubidou123 July 18, 2020 at 4:19 pm #

            Here is the fertility rate in Indonesia:

            Typical of what is happening in the world. In 1968 it was 5.57. Now it is at 2.28. Falling for decades, still going down, expected to go below replacement soon. Then, the indonesian population will start going down. If you think there are too may humans, all you have to do is just do nothing, wait a bit, it is about to go down (except for Africa and a few other countries).

            Several countries like Japan are already seeing their population go down. European countries would start to see it as well, if they weren’t taking in so much excess population from the third world. For the developped world, underpopulation is a concern.

            I have no idea why you think there will be a Rapture for water pumps in Indonesia

          • Kim July 18, 2020 at 11:35 pm #


            “I have no idea why you think there will be a Rapture for water pumps in Indonesia”

            Another idiot who thinks snark can take the place of knowledge.

            In Indonesia, as is the case throughout Asia, there is usually one rain-fed rice-growing season. If there are to be two or even three seasons, water has to be pumped onto the paddy with pumps that use small petrol-driven engines.

            Everywhere you go in Asia you can see the small huts – usually made of bamboo – that house these pumps. On a bus journey of a few days, you will see thousands upon thouands of them.

            If petrol is too expensive or otherwise unavailable, no water is pumped. Thus no crops are grown. Thereby, large parts of the population, billions in fact, face famine and starve.

          • Kim July 18, 2020 at 11:37 pm #


            You ever driven coast to coast through the U.S?

            I hope that you are not gomg to tell me that there is plenty of land for more people. All we have to do is stack them like cordwood.

            My apologies if I have bitten too quickly.

          • benr July 19, 2020 at 9:48 am #

            @klim you evaded the question.
            It really is a very simple question.
            Have you ever driven the country from coast to coast?

          • Kim July 19, 2020 at 9:59 am #


            No I have never driven across the United States.

            Sorry, I was not trying to evade the question. I thought it was rhetorical. Now what?

          • scoubidou123 July 19, 2020 at 12:11 pm #

            Yes I am an idiot. As snarky as an idiot can get. Quite unlike people like Paul Ehrlich. Who is extremely smart. And extremely knowledgeable about the culture of rice in India and many gloomy facts about the square of the hypotenuse. And yet who keeps writing books about Americans dieing of starvation by the tens of millions in the next 10 years, and south Asia being doomed and, and… In short as laughably wrong about anything you can possibly imagine.

            I know the type. Educated. Often with a math or engineering background. A humanitarian visionary, concerned about the future of mankind. He starts with: ‘resources are limited’. Follows up with: ‘population is growing exponentially’. Man is that type in love with extrapolating an exponential curve. Concludes with: ‘we are all doomed’. The End.

            Boy can they miss the forest for the trees. Refuse to imagine that when faced with a problem, people free to put their mind and resources to it generally find solutions. Professional and amateur overpopulation worriers in the 60s could see no possible way mankind could feed itself when fertility rate was at 5.0. Well somehow the idiotic world shrugged off their knowledgeable concerns, took it in stride, fed everyone better than they ever were, and took fertility rate down to barely above replacement levels to boot.

            Entire continents are going into underpopulation and yet there are some people who still refuse to let go of their misplaced concerns. They lie awake at night worrying about the water pump situation in Indonesia.

          • K-Dog July 19, 2020 at 12:51 pm #


            Putting this in kindest way.

            You are brain dead.

            It has been stated that the propagandist eventually comes to despise doctrines and men. You show this to be true.

          • scoubidou123 July 19, 2020 at 5:27 pm #

            ‘Idiot’, ‘brain dead’, funny how sophisticated the arguing skills of the enlightened set are.

            But yeah, guilty as charged. I am the CFN retard bar none.

            Must burn to see the mouth-breathing brain-dead lead happy lives, and their position vindicated by what actually happens in the real world, while the miserable tower-of-intellect worriers fall embarassingly flat on their face time and time again. All of that lofty knowledgeable worrying for naught!

          • K-Dog July 19, 2020 at 6:28 pm #


            I know the type. Educated. Often with a math or engineering background. A humanitarian visionary, concerned about the future of mankind. He starts with: ‘resources are limited’.

            Obviously you consider yourself a superior life form.

          • scoubidou123 July 20, 2020 at 9:52 pm #

            Well this brain-dead person sometimes manages to learn from his brain-dead mistakes. Why were these well-meaning, educated people so clownishly, galactically wrong about their supposed area of expertise? Well, upon further reflection, my brain-dead thinking on the topic now goes like this:
            1) people discount progress. These specialists were adamant: ‘there is NO POSSIBLE way the world can produce 3 times the food it does now. That is FLAT-OUT IMPOSSIBLE! The die-off will start any moment now!’ Turns out the experts were myopic. Tens of thousands of people distributed all over the world managed to figure out and do what bearded luminaries decreed was ludicrous. Tripling food production was in fact perfectly doable after all.
            2) doom has appeal. The prophets of doom flatter themselves that they are visionaries who can see further than the moronic masses. And some of that aura of intellectual superiority rubs off on their believers, who enjoy running around calling skeptics idiots and brain-dead. Not to mention there is an enjoyable frisson to be had imagining the coming DOOM!

      • JohnAZ July 17, 2020 at 8:28 pm #

        You are going to ask the people “in the know”?

        OMG, you are using the stupid people of the academic elite of this country what to do? The same ones that have parked us where we are now?

        Kdog, the position we are in has been caused by dumb shit experts, and the politicians using their DS ideas to destroy the one thing that will fix the problems.

        Individual responsibility! And entrepreneurship.

        • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 10:04 pm #

          I’ll leave it to you to explain how entrepreneurship can fix overpopulation. And I’ll agree the academic elite don’t know what to do. I hope you don’t think I was referring to them. Give me some credit please.

          • Kim July 17, 2020 at 10:33 pm #

            @ K-Dog

            Give me some credit please.

            You spent all of your credits on disingenuity and snark.

          • Sredni Vashtar July 18, 2020 at 2:38 pm #

            Hint: Whites aren’t the problem. Get rid of the invaders and we’ll be in shape.

          • abcdef July 18, 2020 at 11:29 pm #

            K-Dog: Check out https://www.visualcapitalist.com/over-a-century-of-global-fertility/
            The evidence is clear–you don’t need “entrepreneurship. Development is leading you out of this problem…

    • elysianfield July 17, 2020 at 8:05 pm #

      ” If I vote for you for president, what are you going to do about human overpopulation?”

      Spay and Neuter?

      • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 10:01 pm #

        As a voluntary option.

  35. Pucker July 17, 2020 at 2:39 pm #

    During the early 1930’s in the US, everyone had some Big Plan to extricate the US from the Depression.

    Have you noticed that today no one has a Plan?

    Do you remember when Spock, just to take-a-piss, ordered the crew of the Enterprise to take their Shore Leave on the Homo Planet, but told Sulu that he had to stay on the Enterprise in orbit to clean the Head?

    When the crew complained, Spock cut their daily ration of grog.

  36. toktomi July 17, 2020 at 3:01 pm #


    “epic journey” – that’s cute.

    So, here’s the deal. I was contacted recently by the Universe, and not our “known universe” but THE Universe from which the known universe was birthed as but a mere speck many moon ago, “far, far away”. [Turns out that entropy is relative.] Apparently, there’s a bit of a fly in the ointment which doesn’t change the ointment’s overall effect but apparently alters much of how it must be applied. Which is to say, this ain’t goin’ down quite like “they” have been planning and simulating.

    Here it is. ~imagine~ a spontaneous eruption of a mass human behavior event, never observed before anytime in history.

    Y’all might just as well get yourself rigged up to a full time LSD drip and really enjoy the trip.

    Oh, an by the way…
    trippin’ | when the brain is going somewhere it has never been before
    [think, first sexual experience – that was fucking trippin’]

    ahh, too many connections and not enough digital air space 🙂


  37. Pucker July 17, 2020 at 3:32 pm #

    According to independent researcher, Whitney Webb, they’ve charged Ghislaine Maxwell with some measly charge, something like “Inducing a Minor to International Travel”. Unbelievable…..

    • Robert White July 17, 2020 at 5:29 pm #

      I think Her Majesty Queen Elisabeth II put her scepter down after Prince ‘Randy Andy’ Andrew has been implicated in the sordid criminal affair that the ‘royals’, and FBI are now enmeshed in to the queen’s bemusement.

      As a person of net worth approximately in the range of $700 million USD she calls the shots when it comes to indictments of so-called ‘royals’ in remission from child molestation, and seclusion from British press. Queen ‘Mummy’ will protect her spawn with her powers to direct the judiciary to render judgement as she orders.

      Fixing parking tickets is her specialty.


  38. BackRowHeckler July 17, 2020 at 3:45 pm #

    The plan in Ct is to build housing projects in our small towns and rural areas, move esteemed Community Members out of dysfunctional cities into them — by the thousands. Local zoning laws would have to be forfeited but that’s no problem when you are COMBATING WHITE PRIVILEGE!!!

    It’ll be interesting to see the reaction of the BIG LIB soccer moms with BLM signs posted in front of their McMansions when the find out the 600 unit Malcolm X ‘affordable home initiative’ is planned for the apple orchard next door or the ancient meadow across the street LoL!!!


    • malthuss July 17, 2020 at 3:56 pm #

      Wake the F– Up.
      Go to Unz.com / paul kerseys page.

      That plans been around for a long time.

      And try linking Unz from Fakebook. Not allowed. Hate site, that Unz.

    • rainmaker July 17, 2020 at 4:06 pm #

      BackRow – We live out in the sticks. A few years back, a tribe of Welfarians was renting? an old farmhouse a few miles down the road. Cars were being broken into regularly in our area , and the Sheriff, or the Ambulance Service was screaming down our road at least a couple times a week to visit the tribe. When the local authorities had to go down there and pick up the dead baby, and conduct an investigation, the tribe was finally evicted. Your soccer moms in CT are in for a good ol’ time.

  39. malthuss July 17, 2020 at 3:54 pm #


    We were 90% White in 1960,


    USA was 90% White in 1970, Yes?

    LBJ paid the low class to breed.
    Be fruitful and multiply.

    • EnterpriseSpaceship July 17, 2020 at 5:15 pm #

      The population in the US will start to increase, from now on, like Somalia, Yemen, Iraq, Palestine and other war-torn nations.

      Existential threat to Life forcing it to produce faster and faster – black, white, brown, yellow and all others.

      We know now how Hubert Curve was wrong, but we cannot fathom what Energies were expended in designing and activating Life!

    • gustafson.robert.22 July 17, 2020 at 6:21 pm #

      pro life movement… epic fail from the right

      • malthuss July 17, 2020 at 9:09 pm #

        fool..Whites are spectacularly decreasing as a % of worlds population.


    • JohnAZ July 17, 2020 at 8:15 pm #


      In 1960, Blacks were 12% of the population, today it is 13%.

      So where has the increase in the Browning been?

      Maybe a very leaky southern border?

      • malthuss July 17, 2020 at 9:20 pm #

        you are a fool, or stupid.
        Blacks are now a billion plus, worldwide.

        1970–12? million afro Americans.
        Now–45? million.

        More of them have immigrated here since 1965 then were here when Lincoln was in the whitehouse.

        • BackRowHeckler July 17, 2020 at 9:34 pm #

          4 million African in the United States in 1865.

        • JohnAZ July 17, 2020 at 10:32 pm #

          I was referring to the USA.

          Who is a fool?

          2019 US Census estimates

          Non Hispanic Whites. 63.4%

          Hispanic 15.3%

          Black. 13.4%

          Asian. 5.9%

          Who is giving away this county? These are percentages not absolute values, which is what counts.

          • JohnAZ July 17, 2020 at 10:48 pm #

            Hispanics were 6.5% in 1980. 15.3% in 2019

            Gee, wonder where the real Relative growth is?

      • Kim July 17, 2020 at 10:38 pm #

        There are plenty of immigrant Jamaicans, haitans, Ghanaans, Nigerians, and so on.

        If the US has a skilled immigration policy, god knows what skills qualify.

  40. Nightowl July 17, 2020 at 4:27 pm #

    “Health officials from numerojs states have mistakenly included positive results from antibody tests when reporting new COVID-19 cases to the CDC, grossly inflating new cases. The scientific equivalent to ‘double dipping.’”


    #The Corona Con.

    • sophia July 17, 2020 at 4:44 pm #

      Quran Campbell is captured on video for the nation to witness him viciously assault 3 cops in uniform — 1 who lost consciousness. Judge Robert Rosenthal’s reckless decision to release Mr. Campbell WITHOUT BAIL endangers every NYer and the officers who risk it all to protect them.

    • akmofo July 19, 2020 at 11:39 am #

      The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) acknowledged Thursday that it is combining the results from viral and antibody COVID-19 tests when reporting the country’s testing totals, despite marked differences between the tests.

      First reported by NPR’s WLRN station in Miaimi, the practice has drawn ire from U.S. health experts who say combining the tests inhibits the agency’s ability to discern the country’s actual testing capacity.

      “You’ve got to be kidding me,” Ashish Jha, director of the Harvard Global Health Institute, told The Atlantic. “How could the CDC make that mistake? This is a mess.”

      It’s never a mistake.

  41. Roundball Shaman July 17, 2020 at 4:44 pm #

    “The Covid-19 virus itself didn’t run the United States into a ditch but it exposed the weakness and rot in the nation’s drive-train…”

    Prior to this “pandemic”, the United States was seriously in need of a big new industry. All of the useful American legacy industries had long been shipped overseas and the beautiful old American factory buildings leveled. We learned that Tech and coding can’t be done by everybody. Something new had to be created to keep people busy. And then… along comes the answer: The New Covid Culture! A new business for America!…

    Governors and local public officials getting to flex their Dictator muscles and loving it.

    Contract tracers!

    Testing Site operators!

    Behavior shamers!

    Imposing figures at store doorways using muscle and verbal abuse to get you to put on your damn piece of cloth and shut up about it.

    Be a Karen! Join our Snitch Team! Lots of Openings Now!

    Financial pencil-pushers deciding how and where to send trillions of fake, made-up dollars to their family and friends in business.

    Lots of new Public Service Announcements to be made by out-of-work actors about We’re All In This Together and Accepting The New Normal national delusion (which is actually the New Abnormal But Get Used To It Suckers).

    On and on it goes. Lots of employment opening up thanks to the emergence of a new growth industry that provides America just the big new job base it needs!

  42. EnterpriseSpaceship July 17, 2020 at 4:55 pm #

    Catastrophism is a cover up over the fact – demand for Energy by humans will never ever go down. Finite, one-off fossil fuels are priceless!

    Hubert was wrong-and-right, but there is no right-hand side to his curve.

    It is a cliff.

    Life stays around and will re-organise!

  43. tom clark July 17, 2020 at 5:36 pm #

    “Welcome to the joyful illumination that life is difficult for everybody. Who is ready for this epic journey?”

    Apparently, M. Scott Peck, noted psychologist (heavens, an intellectual and probably a dirty dog democrat!) was ready for Jim’s epic journey back in 1978, when he penned these opening words to his book “The Road Less Traveled”:

    “Life is difficult. This is a great truth, one of the greatest truths. It is a great truth because once we truly see this truth, we transcend it. Once we truly know that life is difficult–once we truly understand and accept it–then life is no longer difficult. Because once it is accepted, the fact that life is difficult no longer matters.”

    • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 7:06 pm #

      “In the life of a man, his time is but a moment, his being an incessant flux, his sense a dim rushlight, his body a prey of worms, his soul an unquiet eddy, his fortune dark, his fame doubtful. In short, all that is body is as coursing waters, all that is of the soul as dreams and vapors.” — Meditations

      • K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 7:09 pm #

        A rushlight is a type of candle or miniature torch formed by soaking the dried pith of the rush plant in fat or grease. For several centuries rushlights were a common source of artificial light for poor people.

        We glow and are gone.

  44. Colsterworth July 17, 2020 at 6:34 pm #

    What happened? Like Hemingway’s old quip about a man going broke slowly and then all-at-once, we allowed everything in American life to creep into hapless giantism too cumbersome to adapt to new conditions, and suddenly conditions have changed. And now it’s all coming apart: the dying chain stores, the giant zombie companies that can only exist by borrowing money to buy back their own stocks, the auto-makers who have run out of lending schemes for non-creditworthy customers, the shale oil fracking companies that could never make a red cent, the agri-biz farmers grown morbidly obese on a diet of credit and government subsidies (just like their end-customers grew obese on engineered snack-foods), the Wall Street lords of financialization hypothecating fortunes by leveraging the stripped assets of everything not nailed down from sea to shining sea, the swelling underclass conditioned to helplessness, addiction, and vice, the inescapable ambient tyranny of media hype, propaganda, and disinformation, and, of course, the catastrophe that government has become.

    It’s called Late Stage Capitalism I expect … and I would think 90% has been caused and enabled by the Republican Party – both in Congress and the Oval Office – at least since the day that Dutch was inaugurated in January 1981.

    And you could have added in the hge rackets that swirl around Big Pharma, hospitals, education, insurance, military contractors … it could be quite a long list. And it will indeed be a long emergency – possibly without end.

    If there is light at the end of the tunnel, it’s a very long tunnel.

    • Robert White July 17, 2020 at 6:46 pm #

      From here it is a short tunnel with a very hot white light called thermonuclear hot kinetic war at the end of the tunnel vision.

      From there we will have crispy critters to eat but not much else given the mass death of nuclear war.

      There is certainly no financial rainbow awaiting for the foreseeable next few centuries forward without signs of life paying taxes to oligopolists.


      • BackRowHeckler July 17, 2020 at 7:24 pm #

        We’ve been hearing nuclear war is imminent since about 1950. So they tell me.

        • Robert White July 17, 2020 at 10:55 pm #

          Life was simple when Leave it to Beaver was entertainment, BRH. Unfortunately, life is not quite as simply managed as it was in the 50s where Beaver was taught to crawl under his school desk whilst in a class of 30 other Americans playing with GI Joes & Slinkies whilst being programmed via projector on a screen where the tape speed is off and the narrator sounds like the guy from Mutual of Omaha’s Wild Kingdom narrating possible death of populations via blast dummies used in mock up simulations provided by the CIA, eh.

          Count the nuclear warheads manufactured by the USA since Beaver was on the tube, eh, BRH.


    • tucsonspur July 17, 2020 at 7:36 pm #

      It’s all over by the tricentennial, 2076, maybe well before, as this virus demonstrates. There is no doubt that children being born now will face a grim future, even an early grim reaper.

      It certainly will not be ‘the best of times’. It will be ‘the worst of times’, or pretty damn close to it.

      The fireworks will be explosions and gunfights, and firecrackers will be whites set alit.

    • Kim July 17, 2020 at 10:45 pm #

      @ Colsterworth

      It’s called Late Stage Capitalism I expect…

      Capitalism is relevant to this story only insofar as it made the fossil fuel world possible and expanded it to its logical conclusion – exhaustion of said economic fossil fuels.

      Of course the fossil fuel revolution couldn’t have happened under Pol Pot. If that is what you mean then yes, point taken.

    • SouthernYankee July 17, 2020 at 11:27 pm #

      “and I would think 90% has been caused and enabled by the Republican Party – both in Congress and the Oval Office”

      At least Colsterworth you admit it’s just your own thought on the subject, evidence of course of your own unexamined bias.

      As if Obama and Hilary and Pelosi and the rest didn’t feed from the same trough as those dirty old Republicans. What a laugh!

      • Colsterworth July 18, 2020 at 3:16 am #

        Can you possibly deny that almost every dire prediction from JHK – in respect of a wide range of social and economic issues – have not been caused by Republicans (and their donors, and their controllers, and the media)?

        I would be interested to here about nation-destroying moves that were NOT done by Republicans. Particularly the off-shoring of just about every high-paying (if still mind-numbingly boring) job in all sorts of manufacturing – cars, steel, and so on.

        Everything was off-shored by Republican-voting capitalists – absolutely everything.

        Where do you think every industrial sector gets its mojo from? From Republicans at state and federal level.

        It’s a bit rich for people to now claim Dems are commies and wrecking the nation – the Republicans, the Koch Brothers, Wall Street – those with white shoes and white belts in the Country Clubs of Nantucket and West Palm Beach … they are the ones who wrecked the country you now allegedly cry over.

        But they are all Republican crocodile tears – as they are from everyone on the Right.

        • Nightowl July 18, 2020 at 3:24 am #

          Hi Cargill! Good to see you back after your third ban from the forum.

          I wonder if you know anything about Bill Clinton and NAFTA?

          Perhaps there is no information on this in “Australia.”

          • benr July 19, 2020 at 10:01 am #

            It sure is odd how the no it all spews his crap and runs when he gets a response he can’t refute.

            Won’t be long now once Jim realizes this idiot is back.

        • benr July 18, 2020 at 11:56 am #

          You miss the spot where half or more of the country clubbers are rich Democrats but hey that does not fit with your ridiculous world view or your attempts at shoddy propaganda.
          The simple fact your narrative is so laughable as to almost not be worthy of a response.
          With that said why do you lie non-stop and pretend you have half a clue about America, our politics and how we live?
          Speak on things you know not on what your talking points tell you to post on for once please.

  45. tucsonspur July 17, 2020 at 7:20 pm #

    Major businesses are now requiring masks. Lowe’s and Home Depot will soon be on board:


    As the numbers continue to soar and the death toll keeps rising, the Thimble Brains continue to spout hoax. One wonders what the number of dead will have to be for these dunces to recognize reality.

    A quarter of a million dead, which we’ll probably reach by fall? Or maybe at least half the 1918 number, say 350,000?

    I can see it written now; ‘The Hoax that Elected Biden’, ‘Death Toll Buries Trump’. The actions of Antifa and BLM may help Trump, as Biden does himself as a weak opponent. Otherwise, Trump is Tot.
    November 3, close enough to be his “Dia de los Muertos”.

    • Sredni Vashtar July 17, 2020 at 9:01 pm #

      Perfectly acceptable losses even if real. Mostly elderly or with serious co-morbidities. Needless to say, probably a grossly inflated number in reality.

      The mandatory wearing of masks? Simply not acceptable. They’ll never let us be free again if we give on this.

      • tucsonspur July 17, 2020 at 10:10 pm #

        The numbers are real enough. What number of deaths is Unacceptable? How about 3 million? Or is it 3 million and one or 2,999,999?

        Mostly elderly, but with more and more young people being affected, with subsequent medical conditions, even if they are not dying outright. Ask Chuck:


        Trump will make sure the numbers are real by re routing the covid data.

        Mask deniers bring Death and an unnecessarily huge burden on hospital staff.

        I’m out on the Covid. That wall is starting to hurt.

        • Kim July 17, 2020 at 10:48 pm #

          @ tucsonspur

          What number of deaths is Unacceptable?

          The USA in 2018 had 34,000 traffic deaths with 2.4 million injuries.

          I suggest that we can get these numbers down to a level close to zero if only we declare and strictly enforce a national speed limit of 20 mph.

          Your thoughts on my plan?

          • Sredni Vashtar July 17, 2020 at 11:19 pm #

            Also a 10 pm curfew would cut down on all kinds of crime, especially drunk driving? Why not? It will save money and “lives”.

            Who says that living is any different from existing or subsisting? Not Tusc!

            William Carlos Williams said the good news could be found in poetry – and that men die for want of such good news every day.
            Some men can’t get it thru the Gospel but can get it this way. I thought he did.

          • JohnAZ July 17, 2020 at 11:22 pm #

            Two comments

            High speed highways are the safest roads to be on as their dimensions and smaller traffic amounts allow more reaction time for problems.

            City streets kill more folks, too much traffic and closer dimensions. T boning is a real killer.

            Speed kills but it is only part of the story.

            I do agree with you on the fact that someone somewhere needs to determine what is normal. Our lovely politicians have put us in a quandary, either no infections or let her rip. No goals, no idea of what is normal. How can they start school without goals or failure points? How can they start up businesses without goals? The first attempt failed miserably.

            Why not, when it reaches the same effect as the flu?

            Because we do not even know what the demographics of the flu are. I will even bet you that as dumb as our leaders are, flu is being counted as Covid.

            The hoax part of Covid is the political divide.

            In Brewster’s Millions, Richard Pryor’s character’s idea about politics was to vote for none of the above.

            Maybe we are there.

          • SouthernYankee July 17, 2020 at 11:22 pm #


            That’s my thought Kim.

          • tucsonspur July 18, 2020 at 2:37 am #

            I said I was out on the Covid, but since I’ve aroused such a stir, I’ll go in one more time.

            You didn’t answer my question, Kim. How many? Here are my thoughts on your plan:

            It’s a thoughtless and silly response to my post.

            1. Traffic accidents aren’t contagious.
            2. They can’t be prevented in most cases. Removing alcohol helps, and lowering the speed limit in places Has proven effective.

            ‘Who says that living is any different from existing or subsisting? Not Tusc!’ SV

            That’s simply an inaccurate and unfair portrayal. You should know better from my posts here over the years. You hit below the belt and try to hide it with the mention of William Carlos Williams and the Gospel, the usual bucket of blather.

            And I write my own poetry, some of which I posted here. How about you? Here’s one I posted way back:

            Visions Roll The Wheel
            And Light The Fire
            Thoughts Become Gothic Spires
            A Brush Of Pen
            A Stroke Of Pliers
            Ideas Of Skyscraper Steel
            Rivets Forged With Mind’s Desire


            Maybe you wanted something new. This is one of my early ones, from many decades ago, posted here for the first time:

            The Broken Vase

            I Was Trembling
            Shards Surrounding Me
            Eyes Set To Cry
            Seeing That One, So Far Away,
            On My Horizon.

            The Shattering Changed Everything
            People Ran And Shouted
            As I Cringed
            At The Future.

            My Eyes Streamed
            And I Raged
            As The Huge Hand
            Knocked Out The Great
            Gasps And Sobs Of Childhood.


            So I think that maybe I’m living much more than you. I do More than quote or regurgitate. I don’t just exist or subsist, I create and I live.

            Watcha got, Sredni?

          • Nightowl July 18, 2020 at 3:26 am #

            If everyone wears their facemask in their car that will surely have some kind of effect.

            Don’t ask me what kind of effect. Just be sure to wear your facemask.

    • sophia July 17, 2020 at 11:14 pm #


      Unless they deliberately unleash a completely new virus, your post is just simply hogwash. Is it even possible you believe such codswallop? Geez, the epidemic is over, and the death toll around the world is completely in line with normal deaths. You do recall that people die, right? We usually lose 60-80,000 each winter from flu and pneumonia. Florida recently had to retract their new case numbers because – lo and behold – their labs were accidentally reporting near 100% positive when they really meant 9.4.

      I am trying not to suspect everyone of being a troll (unpaid) or shill (paid) but when you write stuff like this it does become difficult. The numbers of deaths have dropped like a stone, even though the NY mayor says that is no reason to rejoice.

      Why do you believe those who have billions of dollars to lose rather than the many expert voices of reason from around the world?

  46. xxzzy999 July 17, 2020 at 8:16 pm #

    The following were all framed by Obama, his administration, holdovers in the FBI, CIA, DOJ and IRS,
    as well as the hair-on-fire Democrats in Congress:

    Justice Kavanaugh – false claims by Democrat Congress members, same as in 1991 re: Justice Thomas
    Dinesh D’Souza – guilty but given “way out of proportion” sentence
    George Papadopoulos – FBI entrapment (RussiaGate)
    Roger Stone – FBI entrapment (RussiaGate)
    General Flynn – FBI entrapment (RussiaGate)
    President Trump – Obama orchestrated failed coup (Cross Fire Huricane) & sham impeachment (RussiaGate)

    • Colsterworth July 18, 2020 at 12:55 am #

      George Papadopoulos – FBI entrapment (RussiaGate)

      It’s interesting how wrongdoers claim “entrapment”, when their own foolishness (Pap), bravado (Stone), and even confessions (Flynn), are what bring them down.

      I think our Mr George Pap might have had a drink or two too many, and the ambassador he was drinking with wasn’t FBI.

      • Nightowl July 18, 2020 at 3:28 am #

        Why were you banned from this forum 3 times?

        • benr July 18, 2020 at 11:58 am #

          Because all he does is lie.

      • xxzzy999 July 18, 2020 at 1:56 pm #

        The only foolishness here is your comment.

        • benr July 19, 2020 at 10:02 am #

          Indeed all his comments are written by a fool.

  47. Sredni Vashtar July 17, 2020 at 8:57 pm #

    Two high level killings, the new provost of a University in South Carolina, and an Indian tech mogul in NYC. In both cases, the killers were Black.

    The idea that these people have the moral stature to lead us is simply ludicrous.

    • malthuss July 17, 2020 at 9:25 pm #

      Vans footwear store has so many black posters noting,
      we will fund the black community for its uplift and empowerment. BLACK LIVES MATTER.

    • BackRowHeckler July 17, 2020 at 10:09 pm #

      The Provosts murder was a routine street robbery, no big deal. Just some old white guy, I don’t know why anybody would have a problem with it … specially in Charleston, SC, Cradle of the Confederacy. Most likely he didn’t turn his wallet over fast enough, or had only a few dollars on him. Whitey has to learn who rules the south now.

      The Bangladeshi mogul in NYC was murdered by his trusted factotum. Well, maybe he ‘acted white’ and had it coming. I don’t know if he deserved to have his head cut off with an electric knife tho, but that’s what happened. The killer — I think his name was Tyrone, or Tyshawn, looks in his perp walk photo to be quite the fashonista.


      • Sredni Vashtar July 17, 2020 at 11:09 pm #

        Yeah, really – but they put it on the national 5:30 news. Maybe letting Blacks know not to get too cocky and that some Whites are off limits and they don’t appreciate this? But how is brother to know!

        The real Elite never walk anywhere I suppose. Just like in Latin America. Too dangerous. Helicopters from building to building in Rio de Janeiro.

  48. Bobby Brown July 17, 2020 at 8:59 pm #

    That 80’s rocker said what would possess a group of people to think a reality TV star could possibly run the country. He compared it to starting a band and playing your first gig at the Apollo. He said his reality TV show was better than Trump’s so that instantly makes him more qualified than Trump to be president. I’d have to agree.

    • Robert White July 17, 2020 at 11:06 pm #

      Lol, Bobby Brown.


    • Kim July 18, 2020 at 1:12 am #

      I liked Every Little Step.

    • Kim July 18, 2020 at 1:21 am #

      Except the cRap part of course.

    • benr July 19, 2020 at 10:08 am #

      Next question to be asked since you can only frame a strawman.
      Who is actually qualified to run this ship of fools country?
      No one in the Democrat party they have no plan. no reality based 120 day get things going step process.
      Back to 1% gdp growth like obaminable said the new normal?
      Massive new taxes on people and business?
      Road blocks in front of every business?
      Green new deal nonsense to grind our economy, way of life and most of all our living situation into the dust?

      As Obama and his ilk sitting in climate control they tell everyone else they can’t have it.


  49. sophia July 17, 2020 at 11:16 pm #

    Q says the media is the enemy of the people. Boy is he ever right. They are directly responsible for withholding and false reporting of effective treatments.

    • JohnAZ July 17, 2020 at 11:25 pm #

      The media represents the Deep State, the Elite that think we are too stupid to take care of ourselves. Their goal is to direct information to us that they want us to hear.

      That is why they hate Trump so much who talks to us directly through Twitter.

      • JohnAZ July 17, 2020 at 11:26 pm #

        Unfortunately, this fall they might be right. We may be to stupid to run ourselves.

  50. SouthernYankee July 17, 2020 at 11:20 pm #

    There’s a popular saying in the South. YA’LL NEED JESUS! I’ll admit, I struggled with it. Sometimes still do. But it’s the best way of life I’ve ever found, far better than that old Liberal indoctrination bullshit I suffered with for so many years. Like so much snake oil, I drank it, got drunk, banged my head, git in a fight, crashed my car, wound up in jail and blamed “the system” for my woes. What a wake up Jesus has been for me. Don’t dismiss it so easily ya’ll.

    • Kim July 18, 2020 at 1:10 am #

      Jesus is too abstract for most people. As a result, they – good people and bad people – like to apply the Golden Rule far too flexibly.

      Most people need much more specific day-to-day rules. Philosophical guidelines don’t sufficently guide the stupid or constrain the bullies.

  51. K-Dog July 17, 2020 at 11:28 pm #

    (AP) — Federal agents in green camouflage uniforms have been taking into custody people in the streets of Portland, not close to federal property that they were sent to protect, in what the ACLU of Oregon on Friday said “should concern everyone in the United States.”


    Feds shot a protester in the head with a less lethal weapon a few days ago. I watched the video and he did not deserve it and he almost died.

    Trump is instigating trouble. Defending federal buildings with shock troops who are trying to start trouble. Acting Secretary of Homeland Security, Chad Wolf is acting like he is a General with a Roman Legion ordered to hunt barbarians in the frozen north forests which at this time of year are not frozen. This is not Ok.

    • JohnAZ July 17, 2020 at 11:34 pm #

      How much anarchy is okay? Was Ft. Sumter okay? Was the Whiskey Rebellion okay?

      • K-Dog July 18, 2020 at 2:06 am #

        I saw the video of Donavan LaBella being shot in the head for holding a boom box and projecting sound at Trump’s Homeland Security Boyz. There is no excuse. I saw the long version. Not many people will be seeing the full video of the blood. The young man is lucky to be alive.

        I say that reluctantly because it is too easy to read your own story into a video. Even robo-cop cameras catch innocent people despite the system being designed to not let that happen. But this video is different. Federal marshals are all across the street protecting federal bricks that we paid for. The protestors are on the other side of the street and no hostile moves were being made to cross over. Certainly not by Donovan.

        Trumps Boyz wanted trouble so they started with tear gas against people who were not even close to the building. Then Donovan was shot in the head. Thursday night Trump’s rabble-rousing resulting in

        Now Trump troops are taking people away in vans like this was fucking Argentina. To re-elect the orange man a young man is shot in the head and people disappear. This should not abide, but I know from this brutality some of you will chose to double-down with your support of your chosen one.

        Which to me proves the human race is a temporary phenomenon.

        • K-Dog July 18, 2020 at 2:10 am #

          If you follow the link the video is hidden behind a button which is labeled:

          The following media includes potentially sensitive content. [click here]

        • K-Dog July 18, 2020 at 2:13 am #

          Thursday night Trump’s rabble-rousing resulting in new riots

  52. JohnAZ July 17, 2020 at 11:40 pm #

    Just dawned on me what Kdog has been saying for awhile about capitalism vs. communism and that communism is a final form of capitalism today.

    He is right. Here is what is causing it.

    Capitalism’s primary weakness is that it is competitive and has losers as a consequence. With adequate growth, losers have second chances to come back. Absent that growth, the losers pile up and become have-nots.

    Too many have-nots and the haves become endangered species.

    Revolution! Such as Nov. 3.


    • Kim July 18, 2020 at 1:06 am #

      De-growthis our fate but is is not teh cause of black criminality of leftist lunacy. Those thinsg have always beenmn with us.

      Does de-growth make us more vulnerable to their activities? I might agree but I would have to see the argument.

      As to Too many have-nots and the haves become endangered species

      How do you explain the fact that those who are complaining the most are receiving a larger share of the national wealth and opportunities than they ever have before?

      Blacks are 13% of the US population but (in 2014) made up 18.37% of the federal workforce.

      It would be interesting to see what that percentage is today but in any case, this does not seem like the condition of an oppressed minority. In fact. I am sure that their economic condition has been improving every year for decades.

      Of course, blacks do commit disproportionate amounts of crime and do not at all like to be punished for that and always cry “unfair!” when caught at their hijinks, but that has been the case since Reconstruction. Nothing new about that.

      As for communism, certainly communists have been behind these recent efforts but again that has nothing to do with recent “social conditions” as the left might say, aside from the familiar hate-whitey-gibsmedat brainwashing that the Dunning-Kruger set seem to be so very vulnerable to.

      As I have shown in my comment on other posts, (e.g., wrt John Pepper, Comintern agent and head of the CPUSA Negro Committee), the communists have been working on the negros as a source and focus of national and social division that for decades, through bad times and through times of historic national prosperity. The economics never makes any real difference to them. So I don’t think your theory is really likely to hold much water.

    • Colsterworth July 18, 2020 at 1:49 am #

      Revolution! Such as Nov. 3. Communism.

      I think it’s hyperbolic to assert that a Democrat win in November is any form of “communism” even if they do secure all three – Senate, Reps, and the White House.

      Almost all their program / platform / policies are very mild reform at best … some are nothing more than simply being “better managers” of the status quo – sometimes called “the human face of capitalism”. There’s nothing very radical about them.

      And stand by for the Republican minorities (and their media masters) to suddenly develop a bad case of “fiscal rectitude” – all of a sudden deficits will be a grave concern, “the country can’t afford the “radical” Democrat agenda”, every tax increase proposal will be met with howls.

      The Republicans do this every cycle – they spend like drunken sailors on their pet obsessions, plus they cut taxes for the wealthy, but when tossed out they then decry every dollar proposal by the Democrats. They are pretty good at it.

      • Kim July 18, 2020 at 3:25 am #

        The Democrats are just the parliamentary arm of the CPUSA.

        – whites forced to live with blacks and browns
        – whites forced to attend schools with blacks and browns
        – whites forced to pay for blacks and browns
        – whites forbidden to compete with blacks and browns
        – whites denied the right to defend themselves against blacks and browns
        – whites denied the right to criticize blacks and browns
        – whites required to publicly abase themselves before blacks and browns

        These are public and explicit policies of the Democrats.

        • Colsterworth July 18, 2020 at 4:53 am #

          The Democrats are just the parliamentary arm of the CPUSA.

          LOL. I love the sleuthing skills of you guys … you can find a commie under every bed – yours, mine, everyone’s!

          • Kim July 18, 2020 at 6:00 am #

            And in fact they are not just under the bed. They’re also under the chairs and tables, in the crawlspace, in the bath tub, in the linen closet and behind the shower curtain.

            For example, Susana Rosenberg, convicted terrorist and member of the CPUSA, is the vice chair of Burn Loot Murder.

            She and many others like her can be found next to the refrigerator, in that space where you might put the ironing board.

            The government and politics – especially civil rights and immigration politics – of the USA has been riddled with commies since at least the 1920s.

            As an example of how long these people have been in place, I recently gave the example of 22-year Democratic Congressman Samuel Dickstein of New York, later Justice Dickstein of the New York Supreme Court.

            Little may it have been suspect Ted, but throughout his career as a Congressman, beginning in 1928, Dickstein was also a secret agent of the Soviet Union, i.e, an NKVD agent.

            Ironically, he was a vigorous member of the HUAC, riginally established by the Democrats in the 1930s to hunt down unamerican “fascists” but was turned to a different enemy in the late ’40s, much to the howls of hypocritical leftists that suddenly the HUAC was infringing on the rights of communists to work to destroy the nation.

            Check out his Wikipedia page.

          • BackRowHeckler July 18, 2020 at 11:20 am #

            Yeah Dickstien was a piece of work. I read about him in The Haunted Wood, by Alan weinstein.

  53. tucsonspur July 18, 2020 at 2:47 am #

    I said I was out on the Covid, but since I’ve aroused such a stir, I’ll go in one more time.

    You didn’t answer my question, Kim. How many? Here are my thoughts on your plan:

    It’s a thoughtless and silly response to my post.

    1. Traffic accidents aren’t contagious.
    2. They can’t be prevented in most cases. Removing alcohol helps, and lowering the speed limit in places Has proven effective.

    ‘Who says that living is any different from existing or subsisting? Not Tusc!’ SV

    That’s simply an inaccurate and unfair portrayal. You should know better from my posts here over the years. You hit below the belt and try to hide it with the mention of William Carlos Williams and the Gospel, the usual bucket of blather.

    And I write my own poetry, some of which I posted here. How about you? Here’s one I posted way back:

    Visions Roll The Wheel
    And Light The Fire
    Thoughts Become Gothic Spires
    A Brush Of Pen
    A Stroke Of Pliers
    Ideas Of Skyscraper Steel
    Rivets Forged With Mind’s Desire


    Maybe you wanted something new. This is one of my early ones, from many decades ago, posted here for the first time:

    The Broken Vase

    I Was Trembling
    Shards Surrounding Me
    Eyes Set To Cry
    Seeing That One, So Far Away,
    On My Horizon.

    The Shattering Changed Everything
    People Ran And Shouted
    As I Cringed
    At The Future.

    My Eyes Streamed
    And I Raged
    As The Huge Hand
    Knocked Out The Great
    Gasps And Sobs Of Childhood.


    So I think that maybe I’m living much more than you. I do More than quote or regurgitate. I don’t just exist or subsist, I create and I live.

    Watcha got, Sredni?

    • Kim July 18, 2020 at 3:37 am #

      Contagious or not is not the issue and you know that perfectly well0. The issue is public policy and the price/cost of a human life.

      All polities at all times must make policies that at least implicitly make some calculation of the value of a human life relative to the socio-economic value of all of its activities.

      We do not as a society have endless resources. It is not true that every human life has an infinite value.

      We have to make decisions on these issues. Dopey people like to pretend that we don’t, but we do.

      It would be possible to make the mining and timber industries much safer than they are. They take lives and cause injuries every year. But to make these industries perfectly safe would also be to make them uneconomic for human employment.

      Men in those industries take the risks because they need the pay packet.

      Your pretense that the only issue is lives while the economy is not to be considered is too childish to be taken seriously.

      • tucsonspur July 18, 2020 at 4:34 am #

        Of course contagion is the issue. You haven’t been reading my posts. I’ve pointed out months ago that this is a difficult balancing act between shutdowns, health, and the economy.

        I distinctly did not say that the only issue is lives. So that’s your pretense.

        Most everything that has been done, like the early openings, not following guidelines like wearing masks, etc., is now resulting in exactly what people didn’t want. More shutdowns.

        Why are we now in this terrible position, when many other countries have this virus under control and are coming back? Simple. No central leadership and not doing the right thing.

        • JohnAZ July 18, 2020 at 11:01 am #

          Youth and their eternal “you can’t get to me” syndrome is a large part of what continues to happen. When they take pictures of the folks not abiding by social distancing , it is places where young people hang out.

          Do you think they have stopped hand shaking, hugging or kissing? No way.

          TS, you are frustrated by the same thing I am. Masks, six feet, wash hands, mitigation measures shutting down the jobs market. Yet the new cases just increase more and more.

          The obvious, very obvious conclusion is that all the experts do not have a clue what is spreading this crud. I heard a cardiologist recently state that this is not a respiratory issue, it is oral fecal, like polio. Is he right? With the data currently present, he sure could be. But territories have been cut politically now and everyone is going to support their pet theory.

          My idea is that the bug spreads by any way it infects a body, which is everywhere. Virus expels from the nose, mouth, eyes, urine, stool, sweat, blood, semen, any fluid expelled by the body’s metabolism. Self discipline with avoiding contact with body fluids in any form from an infected individual is paramount in avoiding infection.

          Now, this means extraordinary changes in the way humans interact. All mammals like to touch. Us too. So what is being asked is very difficult, especially for young people who are not very disciplined.

          Avoid contact with Body fluids from any source, because We cannot tell if another human is contaminated. Not an easy situation.

          In nursing, when HIV started, the answer was treat everyone, any patient, as though they had AIDS. PPE, sharps care, isolation were used strictly.

          The public needs to realize that the same discipline is required as no one knows who has or has had this crud.

          Distancing, masks for droplet control, putting toilet seats down before flushing, home and car isolation and cleanliness, washing hands after any activity that contamination is an issue, trying not to touch faces, not using public restrooms unless necessary, anything allowing cross contamination from another person.

          The really good news is that mitigation techniques will halt the spread of the crud effectively, if utilized properly. The other viruses and contamination diseases will also be reduced. Can you imagine a world without colds or flu? The bad news is the reluctance of large parts of the public to adhering to non contact discipline. Changing behavior effectively would allow the economy to re start, jobs to start back up, schools to open.

          Unfortunately, especially in the US, people are contrarian and will violate social contact restrictions constantly.

          Which is why our number of cases just continues to climb.

        • Sredni Vashtar July 18, 2020 at 2:48 pm #

          Do you always believe the media – which obviously hates America and the White Americans with an unholy passion?

          I think your fear of death has curdled your sensibilities. I’m afraid that’s above the good news of poetry’s pay grade. So you are willing to become a penitent to avoid Death – and demand that the rest of us do as well.

          You’re not entirely wrong by any means: death is the equal of life. But both are parts of Life which is greater than death/life. Go to the Metaphysical Poets if you can’t abide religion per se.

          • GreenAlba July 18, 2020 at 3:56 pm #

            Your taste for melodrama is your undoing. Problem solvers just get on with quietly solving problems.

            Scotland has managed the situation well and it is improving. No Covid deaths in over a week, I believe. Businesses are open again and people are being reasonable. Children will go back to school in August and there will be no distancing between them, but only between the adults (teachers and parents). It seem the children do not transmit the disease with the ease that they do many others.

            The downside is that Ms Sturgeon’s management of the crisis is perceived to be so much better than that of the shambolic Johnson government (and Public Health England, who won’t win any prizes either) that support for Independence has shot up to over 60%.

            The law of unintended consequences is a bummer, as Johnson will find out when his legacy is, eventually, the break up of the UK. I will be even more unhappy about that than he will, useless waste of space that he is.

            You prefer your melodrama, so one can only wish you joy of the resultant mayhem.

          • Sredni Vashtar July 18, 2020 at 4:18 pm #

            Yes, BoJo said back to normal by Christmas. You people are never going to let us go back to normal – if only just to spite Trump or BoJo. Such is your hatred. But their are larger plans afoot. By being like this, you make yourselves perfect pawns for the Luciferians like Bill Gates.

          • GreenAlba July 18, 2020 at 4:36 pm #

            You seem confused, Janos.

            More melodrama, no facts.

            Who are ‘you people’? I haven’t stopped going to the shops since January. I was never one of the drama queens loading their cars with toilet paper and tinned tomatoes in preparation for Armageddon. I just got on with my life.

            And, apart from a train trip to a funeral, I haven’t had a mask on for more than a couple of hours in total in all that time.

            You need to calm down and join the problem solvers. Or talk through your issues with a counsellor…

      • BackRowHeckler July 18, 2020 at 7:33 am #

        One does get the impression that there are those in power who would like to lock down the country permanently, come what may.

        • JohnAZ July 18, 2020 at 11:04 am #

          Yeah, and those very stupid people do not realize that when they oust Trump in the fall, they have the ball. Destroying the Trump economic legacy is the dumbest thing the Dems could be doing. Yet, here we are.

    • Colsterworth July 18, 2020 at 5:47 am #

      Traffic accidents aren’t contagious.

      Quoting traffic accident figures – a total irrelevancy – is always one of the desperate last resorts of the Corvid deniers. It’s just so tiresome .

      • BackRowHeckler July 18, 2020 at 7:31 am #

        What’s tiresome is Cargill sneaking back in here under a different handle every week.

        • benr July 18, 2020 at 12:02 pm #

          And not learning from being bounced several times before yet here he is same anti-American nonsense.
          Ban number four coming soon to a lying commie loving scumbag.

  54. tucsonspur July 18, 2020 at 4:54 am #

    This just came back to me, something I posted years ago on our consumer society. Doing that other stuff just fired up the memory cells. Subway sign said, ‘Consume or Perish’.

    Lay me out on a slab at Macy’s
    So all the shoppers know
    That Death has found me.
    While they search for
    That designer label
    Let them see me
    Cold and naked on
    The display table

    Rotting flesh being
    My only attire
    A reminder to all
    It’s not fashionable
    To expire.


    From memory, but I think it’s close.

  55. tucsonspur July 18, 2020 at 5:12 am #

    Read about Confederate soldiers going to Brazil, and the Rebel Irish:


    Defy BLM and Antifa and all the others. Fly the flag. Scared? Sure, and they want you to be.

    • BackRowHeckler July 18, 2020 at 7:18 am #


      I have a book around here about those Confederates who emigrated to Brazil after the Civil War, about 20,000 of them. Brazil supported the Confederacy 1862-1865.

      They were pretty successful down there, eventually intermarrying with Ukrainian immigrants and some Portugese/Brazilians. To this day the Stars and Bars are proudly flown in Central Brazil, and Confederate heritage is celebrated.


      • Sredni Vashtar July 18, 2020 at 2:50 pm #

        It’s a very powerful symbol. A plane is flying over Nascar races with the Flag and a banner saying, Defund Nascar.

      • Kim July 18, 2020 at 11:56 pm #


        If you remember the name of the book, please post it.

    • BackRowHeckler July 18, 2020 at 7:23 am #

      In 5 years of active duty, in the Navy and then 2 years in the Army, I never once saw a Confederate flag. About half the guys I was with were from the South; I don’t recall the subject of the Confederacy ever coming up.

      It is a red herring.


  56. Iananna July 18, 2020 at 6:35 am #

    I enjoyed JHK on an external podcast linked here and noted that he said that wrote more correctly than he spoke – reasonable given that speech is instant but writing involves some cogitation so the opening paragraph of today’s essay must have been written before the 2nd coffee kicked in –
    “…now all of us/WE passengers on that disabled bus…”.

    • GreenAlba July 18, 2020 at 6:51 am #

      Seriously? All of we?


      Same with the regular ‘blah, blah, blah to/of/from We The People‘.

      You might not find ‘to Us The People’ gives you that warm feeling that overused emotional phrases provide, but it’s grammatically correct. Which shouldn’t really need to be explained.

      • Billy Hill July 18, 2020 at 10:38 am #

        “We-The-People” ought to be hyphenated and that would take care of the us-we conundrum in this case, and we could go on about our business without grating our teeth

        Something terrible happened in modern American speech and writing in the past 20 or so years: ignorance of prepositions! I submit it began among not-well-educated minor–market news anchors who, having slept through English classes or not having a foreign language requirement, routinely began saying ” Chet, for the benefit of Ralph, Shanequa, Marlow, and I etc etc etc.” Forget C-19. This disease has spread to the four corners of the English-speaking earth with no signs of diminishment.

        Some of us have undertaken a form of guerilla warfare against it, gently admonishing and correcting our co-workers but largely to no avail. Reminiscent of my trigonometry teacher back in the day who, encountering graffiti containing the word “fuck” would pull out marker and change it to “book.” Cervantes wept.

        Recent events suggest a better approach: placards with the words “Prepositions Matter!” held aloft by millions of hands, voices chanting “hey-hey, ho-ho, faulty grammar’s got to go!”

      • Kim July 18, 2020 at 11:51 pm #

        It is “all of us” because a preposition is always followed by an object (in this case, an object pronoun).

        Just as we say “Between you and me” and not “Between you and I”.

        The ultimate issue goes to the fact that the verb in an English clause can have only one subject.

      • Kim July 18, 2020 at 11:54 pm #

        We, the people, developed our own laws. (“We” is the subject of the verb “develop”)

        Laws were given to us, the people. (“Us” is the object of the verb “given”)

      • Nightowl July 19, 2020 at 5:56 pm #

        Lecturing on grammar and fucking up “We the People.”

        Beyond parody.

        • Majella July 20, 2020 at 8:41 am #


          • GreenAlba July 20, 2020 at 9:17 am #

            He’s going to be licking those narcissistic wounds for a long time, Majella. Expect more of this. He’s hopping round the blog after me like a lovesick frog.

            And from an ‘editor’ who can’t spell ‘millennial’. Repeatedly.

            Bless. 🙂

            And I didn’t ‘lecture on grammar’, muppetlein, I corrected someone who lectured the blog’s author. Incorrectly.

            But keep at it, Tweets. You’re really impressing everyone.

    • Robert White July 18, 2020 at 9:26 am #

      Jim is a tea drinker not a coffee junkie. I’m a coffee junkie.


      • GreenAlba July 18, 2020 at 9:55 am #

        Good grammar is naturally infused with tea. 🙂

        • GreenAlba July 18, 2020 at 9:57 am #

          Or vice versa…

        • Sredni Vashtar July 18, 2020 at 3:02 pm #

          Hail Britannia type denounces the female mob who were kneeling and worshiping a statue of an apparently generic BLM protester. She calls them, “a waste of oxygen” – exactly right. Another Emma West. As Orwell said, when things get really bad, only the proles know what’s going on. Except maybe in Bristol, perhaps the last remnant of Old England. The City had the thing hauled away in the trash within 24 hours. Glorious!


          I hope you can look past her crudity and admire her patriotism and clarity. And of course, courage.

          • GreenAlba July 18, 2020 at 4:26 pm #

            I didn’t hear any woman, just that ‘Joe Dawson’ person, who comes over as a complete fool. (And the statue was of an actual person, btw, not a ‘generic BLM protester’).

            I heard him say that it cost the council a billion dollars to remove the statue (i.e. put it in a skip and tow it away). Seriously, that’s what he said. How can you listen to morons like this? Are you not insulted?

            Then he wanted the artist’s tax records looked into because ‘someone paid the artist’, even though the artist just made the statue because he was inspired to do so, apparently (it was intended as a temporary work of art to ‘continue the conversation’). He seems to think the council that removed the statue paid for it in the first place (???), and mentions that there are better things the people of Bristol might want the money spent on. Even though it had nothing to do with the council or the people of Bristol, or their local taxes.

            I’m afraid your man is a fruit cake.

            And where was the footage of the fire from? It certainly doesn’t seem to have any connection with Bristol, as far as I can see.

            Is this the kind of tripe you listen to because of the MSM’s inadequacies? That’s a bit sad.

          • Sredni Vashtar July 18, 2020 at 5:13 pm #

            Oh, you seem to know a lot about BLM all of a sudden. No doubt you are a quiet supporter – not the type to chant in the street or bow down with a fist in the ear, but rather only in your rotten apple of a heart.

          • GreenAlba July 18, 2020 at 6:58 pm #

            You’re dumber than you were when you were Janos.

            The woman and her family were on the news – I saw it in passing. From what I recall, the artist took photos of her from all angles and made a model using 3D modelling software.

            Unless I’m thinking of something else he used a 3D printer – I wasn’t paying that much attention.

            And your gormless bloke thinks someone spent a fortune on a scultpure. And then spent ‘billions of dollars’ hiring a skip to take it away.

            Bless.What planet is the moron from? Is this what passes for information in your world?

            I’d worry more about your rotting brain cells from listening to this mush, if I were you, than worry about my ‘rotten heart’.


          • Sredni Vashtar July 18, 2020 at 9:07 pm #

            It didn’t make it over here, perhaps. What is so special about this Black woman? Anything?

            Is she so special that she deserved a statue – put up without any official sanction? I hope you agree that the old statue should have stayed even if she was special in some way and not just a generic aggrieved Black female. And that her statue was rightfully pulled down by the City Fathers.

          • GreenAlba July 19, 2020 at 11:14 am #

            ‘What is so special about this Black woman? Anything?’

            I believe she was just there as a protester and the artist was inspired by photos of her standing on the vacant plinth.

            So, no, she didn’t ‘deserve’ a statue in her own right. Artistic freedom, however, is what it is. It doesn’t run to being entitled to erect a statue in a public place without permission, just the same – that is a different issue.

            Aside from that, you seem to be confusing me with someone who has advocated special interest groups pulling down established historical monuments without going through the proper channels. I have no idea why that is.

            I would have to admit to sympathy with those who toppled Saddam Hussein’s effigy, just the same, and probably many others if I thought about it. Life is full of greys. But in the UK, at the present time, I’ll stick with proper channels.

            The statue’s presence has apparently already been the subject of conjecture in the city for some time, but it is up to the people of Bristol as a whole to decide whether it should stay or go, I’d have thought.

            The ‘City Fathers’ is a strange way to describe, in 2020, the elected council of Bristol, which, if it’s like any other city council, will include a lot of City Mothers too.

      • benr July 18, 2020 at 12:04 pm #

        here her common ground has been found.
        Coffee for the win but I will say I love a spot of Earl Grey!

        • Sredni Vashtar July 18, 2020 at 5:54 pm #

          Yes, the Bergamont is a winner. Will there always be an England? Probably not. Right now there’s just a Bristol.

          • GreenAlba July 18, 2020 at 7:02 pm #

            Bergamot. It’s not a car.

  57. Pucker July 18, 2020 at 8:55 am #

    Are all “Coalburners” opposed to the Green New Deal?

  58. Pucker July 18, 2020 at 8:59 am #

    When are we going to call out these Progressive “Coalburners” for their hypocrisy for their advocacy of Climate Change mitigation strategies?

  59. Pucker July 18, 2020 at 9:16 am #

    I wonder if we can get the Black Lives Matter folks to protest golf courses?

  60. Pucker July 18, 2020 at 9:21 am #

    I wonder if we can get the Black Lives Matter folks to protest golf courses?

    I wonder if we can get the Black Lives Matter folks to protest Chinese “Hand Relief” massage parlors?

  61. Pucker July 18, 2020 at 9:56 am #

    Idea: Get a Rapper from “The Hood” to host an NPR radio show, like Garrison Kealor’s “Prairie Home Companion”.

    Or, get James Howard Kunstler to interview a Rapper about Peak Oil and American societal and governmental dysfunction on the Kunstler Cast…,

  62. Pucker July 18, 2020 at 10:07 am #

    Amongst the Asmat headhunters of Papua New Guinea, human heads were a kind of currency used to purchase spiritual goods and services (such as physical power and sexual stamina) from the spirits in the spirit realm. Another form of currency were dog’s teeth which were redeemed for value by dropping the dog’s teeth into the big whirlpool.

    Black Lives Matter….

  63. 100th Avatar July 18, 2020 at 10:09 am #


    Have you read the plan introduced by Corey Booker and adopted by Biden that will promote the ability of cities to annex neighboring suburbs, while also restructuring the form of governance of suburbs (goodbye board of supervisors), and diminish the ability of suburban/exurban localities to designate SFH development?

    Apologies for the run-on question.

    Apparently the plan will simultaneously increase the taxing power of city dominated metropolitan areas, increase the density of suburban areas, and eliminate the option of the so-called “white’ or middle-class/tax/crime flight.

    You can still have your SFH off some desolate state route a thousand miles from nowhere, a thousand miles from the feudal city-state.

    • 100th Avatar July 18, 2020 at 10:15 am #

      Caveat. Although I support the idea to promote the idea of density, village centers, and “mini downtowns’ in the plats of culture de sacs in most burbs, the ideas of withholding federal aid money to starve bedroom communities until they are wiped for annexation is worrisome.
      So much for those touted school districts.

      • 100th Avatar July 18, 2020 at 10:17 am #

        not sure what is up with this site’s particular brand of spell-check. Should read “cul” although I appreciate the humor of culture-de-sacs, idea, not ideas, ripe not wiped,

        • JohnAZ July 18, 2020 at 11:19 am #

          You are witnessing the desire of the denizens of the inner cities to spread their “culture” outwards and acquire the wealth of the suburbs. It is a “peaceful” method of real estate acquisition by the inhabitants of the central cities.

          Sorta like a revolution huh?

          It is a way of calming the coming city explosion that is coming. Too much immigration is settling into urban areas and want to get out to more open areas. Wars have been fought many times in Europe by one group trying to acquire real estate from another group.

          Unfortunately for the US, the city denizens are one race or ethnic group and the suburbs are another. That should make the contest a little more interesting.

      • BackRowHeckler July 18, 2020 at 12:35 pm #

        Yeah, that’s the plan in Ct, as I stated above.

        In about 4 decades locusts have devoured once prosperous cities down to the dry husk; now hungry eyes turn toward the bounty of the suburbs and rural areas, where 3 1/2 centuries of European American wealth lie piled up, ripe for exploitation and appropriation.


  64. Pucker July 18, 2020 at 10:18 am #

    Has the Bohemian Grove human child sacrifice in Northern California been cancelled this year because of the Covid 19 pandemic?

    • SoftStarLight July 18, 2020 at 12:31 pm #

      Now you know better than that silly. The wicked never sleep until their evil is done.

  65. sleek111 July 18, 2020 at 11:38 am #

    We obviously see things VERY differently….

    You write “No matter who ends up in control of the government — or pretends to be — the same forces of contraction and decomplexifying will actually rule and you will have to act accordingly.”

    I write > “This government is the culmination and crystallization of the last 100+ years in which ORGANIZED CRIME subjugated the ENTIRE system to its will. The high paid lobbyist whores who carry the water for this criminal enterprise are bankrolled to get elected…and those who stray too far from their marching orders are taken down, one way or another. The illusion YOU and 99% of most others propagate is that these people are just buffoons. They are NOT. The morons who keep voting for them ARE. IF I am correct, this criminal enterprise will be the LAST to fall…LONG AFTER YOU and countless millions are reduced to penury. Yes, it’s going to get REALLY rough when the velvet glove finally is removed from the iron fist. Do I expect a revolution ? No, I expect nothing more or less then what Eric Blair wrote about in his book, 1984. It has already begun. Instead of the Decentralizing you envision, the exact opposite is in the future. Reality is a bitch.

    • SoftStarLight July 18, 2020 at 12:38 pm #

      I’m glad we see things differently. You are probably right but I wonder about your timeline. Criminal organizations with centralized power and authority have been lording over people for countless centuries now. Eventually their power will be broken and it could be sooner than later for all we know just as easily.

  66. JohnAZ July 18, 2020 at 12:10 pm #

    Just a thought.

    Maybe Trump’s problem is that people do not want a proactive president any more.

    He ran as a candidate that would Drain the Swamp and do many things to improve the economy.

    Not much has been done in those directions.

    Maybe the apparent appeal of Biden is because he is a big nothing with little personality. Maybe a big personality is not clicking with folks today. Maybe the day of the big rally is over.

    I hope folks realize what they are giving up by electing the far Left. Conversion to government control is never reversed except through violence. Power is evil.

    • SoftStarLight July 18, 2020 at 12:52 pm #

      Well remember how you were saying that the deep staters were everywhere and they were all basically working together all in their own places to stop everything on Trump’s original agenda? Ok, so did that change? Not that I’m happy with him either but you do remember that most people in government are against him right? And seriously John. Who is enthusiastic about Biden? Just people who want to use him for furthering their own political agendas and that is already out in the open.

      • JohnAZ July 18, 2020 at 2:37 pm #

        Nope, it hasn’t changed at all. The Deep State coup d’etat attempt just failed that is all. They are putting all their eggs in one basket now, a basket of Covid virus. Any president that has a disaster during their time in office and does not work actively to overcome it will be beaten in the next election. Could it be that Trump is just resigned to this?

        Right now, Biden is the choice of a Democratic Party constituency that is scared to death of the anarchists working on the Left fringe. These folks do not want to improve America, they want to destroy it. So they vote for an older school Democrat that is more moderate. Problem is, Biden is beholden to those Left extremists. Problem with anarchists is that they have no idea of what they want the future to look like. If a new government rises out of the old, they will revolt against it. Anarchists are the most destructive force in humanity.

        Polls are now showing that Biden is double digit points ahead of Trump. He has done absolutely nothing to warrant the gain. What is happening? Is Trump beating himself? I haven’t heard much of anything from him either. Is it simply that people are looking for an alternative in a situation that has no solution?

        If the Dems get DC this fall, uniparty control will start the drive toward totalitarianism in the US with no more balance of power. Proof of this is trying to imagine the GOP without Trump. That nest of cowards does not stand a chance.

        • SoftStarLight July 18, 2020 at 5:27 pm #

          Now John you know that most of those polls can’t be trusted. Everyone is telling them they are voting for Biden and many are actually voting for Trump. Joe Biden has made it clear that he is promoting far left and basically just communist policies at this point. I know you think everybody is dumb and a lot of people are but the communists aren’t hiding where they stand so even the dumb can see. I don’t believe these people doing the rioting are simple anarchists. They are more like useful idiot footsoldiers for the network of agents throughout society coordinating the globalists/communists takeover. The GOP unfortunately acts too often as their servant.

          • JohnAZ July 18, 2020 at 6:17 pm #

            I do not sign up to absolute numbers on the polls. I do pay attention to trends. The trends are not good.

            The foot soldiers are anarchists and they are paid to do what they are doing.

            The poor mistreated old guard of the GOP can go to hell as far as I am concerned. Mitt, the Bushes, etc. are just sour grapes regarding Trump. They have sacrificed a political party to the great ego master in the sky. They should be treated like the Nazified French were by the Free French after the homeland was freed.

          • Bobby Brown July 18, 2020 at 8:58 pm #

            Trump has stopped doing his job. He is no longer president. He is someone who believes he’s done such a great job and nobody recognizes it so they don’t deserve me. He’s pouting in a corner and God Bless let him stay there. The stupid mother fucker doesn’t deserve a dunce cap, he deserves molten gold to be poured on his head.

        • Majella July 19, 2020 at 7:52 pm #

          What is happening? Is Trump beating himself? I haven’t heard much of anything from him either. Is it simply that people are looking for an alternative in a situation that has no solution?”

          JohnAZ – in 2016, Trump could (and did) tell as many outrageous lies and made as many impossible promises as he felt like, to those who were simply starving to hear their concerns expressed. They bought it.

          Now, almost 4 years later, after a steady diet of nothing but his grift, his lies, his international embarrassments, and his disastrous COVID response and his crashed economy, the utter disillusionment is palpable – even among the earliest ‘faithful’ hereabouts. They know they’ve been had, but ‘doubling-down’ is the Trumpian way, so they box on regardless.

    • K-Dog July 18, 2020 at 1:35 pm #

      And it is just a thought. That is all it is.

      people do not want a proactive president any more

      People don’t choose their presidents, they only vote for them and the system is rigged to keep whatever insanity rules the day in power. If not the same people, the same arrangements. Arguments are only over details. Maximum efficiency and profit are at stake regardless of the actual system that is in place. The human machine seeks existing arrangements. Measurements are just done differently from system to system.

      • K-Dog July 18, 2020 at 1:36 pm #

        People don’t choose their presidents, they only vote for them and the system is rigged to keep whatever insanity rules the day in power. If not the same people, the same arrangements. Arguments are only over details. Maximum efficiency and profit are at stake regardless of the actual system that is in place. The human machine seeks existing arrangements. Measurements are just done differently from system to system

  67. K-Dog July 18, 2020 at 12:23 pm #

    I don’t think anyone can deny that ‘cuddly capitalism’ is going away. Is there a stage of ‘tough love’ capitalism we could go through or does the new paradigm go straight to necrocapitalism? Do we have any choice?

    ‘It’s just part of becoming stronger than you thought you could be’

    Ok, but is want to know if my certification as a quantum mechanic that I earned from a matchbook cover ad twenty years ago going to pay off in the new economy or not?

    Am I screwed. That is what I want to know.

    • K-Dog July 18, 2020 at 12:25 pm #

      What would Elisabeth Kübler-Ross say?

  68. BackRowHeckler July 18, 2020 at 1:06 pm #

    Goddamit K-Dog do I have to bust out the Trump Hate-O-Meter again? Because I will!


    • K-Dog July 18, 2020 at 1:23 pm #


      You refuse to see reality, your own reality first of all. You are in the back row because to be closer to the front row would cause you to see your reflection in the window. That would be intolerable. You can’t look at yourself for fear you could be wrong. That explains your dedication to lost causes. Of course you will deny this. You are not going to tell me I am on to something but the shadow knows. The shadow sees that you can’t look.

      • Nightowl July 18, 2020 at 2:49 pm #

        Textbook psychological projection.

        The cherry on the sundae is that half of the time, you even write in the third person.

      • BackRowHeckler July 18, 2020 at 7:40 pm #

        Well, my reality right now is I’m sitting under an oak shade tree on my property on this hot summer day, sipping an ice cold Sam Adams, and perusing a copy of ‘Firearms News’ (formerly Shotgun News) that arrived in the US Mail earlier today. And at some point I’ll fire up the grill and throw on some steaks, maybe pick some lettuce, cukes and tomatoes from the garden and have the wife whip up a salad.

        The only thing I really miss is the Mets on the radio.


        • Bobby Brown July 18, 2020 at 8:54 pm #

          What about being able to get it up?

          • benr July 19, 2020 at 10:14 am #

            I see Seawolf has come back with another new name.

  69. tucsonspur July 18, 2020 at 1:56 pm #

    BLM, Anarchists, and Antifa through a breakfast lens.

    I was having a waffle, cereal, and coffee when this hit me like a double espresso:

    The sun went down, and overnight it just poured in like dark roast, hot, burning black coffee. It woke the nation to a frightful new day, and a frightening new future. Strong and sobering, it gave the country a jolt, and left it with the shaky tremors. Now people dreadfully know that this was not at all ‘the best part of waking up’.

    Wake up call? A cup of JOE, anyone?

    • SoftStarLight July 18, 2020 at 2:10 pm #

      So is this your official endorsement?

      • tucsonspur July 18, 2020 at 3:11 pm #

        No, just having fun. I hope that David Horowitz is right. See here:


        I am surprised. I’ll try harder to be understood.

        • SoftStarLight July 18, 2020 at 5:14 pm #

          No, really it was my bad. You always have a way with words and it was effective lol. Hearing about Joe Biden sometimes can be disturbing. I hope David Horowitz is right too.

  70. Pucker July 18, 2020 at 1:56 pm #

    The Proof is in the Pudding?

    If there’s no more Pudding, then is there no more Proof?

    • K-Dog July 18, 2020 at 2:21 pm #

      Socrates, lived a life anchored to a belief in the existence of a set of higher moral truths. It was a search for these absolute truths that set the course his life would take. It was his trust in an ultimate reality beyond this which allowed him to face life, and finally his execution, with courage.

      So how do you rate Soc-rates?

      If the pudding is gone is Socrates still here?

    • GreenAlba July 18, 2020 at 2:49 pm #

      Another proverb murdered…

      The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

      • Nightowl July 18, 2020 at 5:51 pm #

        American idiom.


        • GreenAlba July 18, 2020 at 7:03 pm #

          British proverb. Murdered to form meaningless American idiom.


          Next you’ll be telling me you could care less.

          • Nightowl July 19, 2020 at 10:55 am #


          • GreenAlba July 19, 2020 at 11:19 am #

            I agree. You have been.

            Can’t stay away, can you?

            Poor wee scone.

          • Nightowl July 19, 2020 at 5:38 pm #

            You didn’t know it was an American idiom.


          • GreenAlba July 20, 2020 at 6:52 am #

            It’s not a specifically American idiom.

            It’s used in all parts of the English-speaking world and has been for years. It remains meaningless and a derivation of the original British proverb.


            What kind of person tells another person they didn’t know something when they have no clue? Or that they didn’t teach a particular foreign language, or that they didn’t play in a band?

            That’s right, a person with NPD who needs to feel special.


            Muppet who can’t stay away. Bless.

          • Majella July 20, 2020 at 8:50 am #


            Did you read GA’s link, it were you afraid you might learn something?

  71. SoftStarLight July 18, 2020 at 2:07 pm #

    You are an ally of the Elites. More of the boring same.

    • K-Dog July 18, 2020 at 2:28 pm #

      I’m not the one who suffers form what Alfred Sauvy identified as “error by force”. That is your mentation not mine.

  72. Pucker July 18, 2020 at 2:08 pm #

    The members of FDR’s administration were dubbed “New Dealers”.

    Given that Biden has farted off the Bernie Sanders acolytes, the members of a Biden administration be dubbed “No Dealers”?

    • K-Dog July 18, 2020 at 2:19 pm #

      They are we are so full of ourselves we don’t have to make no stinking deal Bidenites.

  73. snagglepuss July 18, 2020 at 2:25 pm #

    Jamil Jivani who pulled himself up by the bootstraps including going to Yale Law School tweeted this week … ‘ We need an investigation into the billion dollar hip-hop industry, concerning why so many rappers are killed. It incentivizes young dudes to lean into these gangster images in order to make quick money and fame. Stop making excuses, hold hip-hop accountable’. ‘Black Lives Matter is actually short for Black lives matter only if they’re killed by cops so don’t ask us about gangs and also we hate the nuclear family and capitalism but don’t ask about that either’.
    Jivani was raised by a Scottish-Irish mother with his two sisters when his father, a Kenyan immigrant left while he was in elementary school. Needless to say he is stirring things up with the Black community here north the American border……

    • SoftStarLight July 18, 2020 at 2:34 pm #

      He has officially been stamped as anti-black. Hard work, responsibility, and accountability are white supremacy, whiteness, and oppression per BLM.

      • JohnAZ July 18, 2020 at 2:42 pm #

        There IS an element of the Black population that acknowledges that BLM is wrong and that hard work and the nuclear family is the key to success. Until the Dems and especially the media start representing this viewpoint, the urban Blacks will just continue down the gimme path Of BLM. And failing!!!

      • Colsterworth July 18, 2020 at 4:18 pm #

        He has officially been stamped as anti-black. Hard work, responsibility, and accountability are white supremacy, whiteness, and oppression per BLM.

        He is just being asked what every successful person is asked to do (especially if they inherit wealth, but also if they are self-made). Don’t generalise too much from your own experience, and in particular don’t belittle or deny the systemic racism that holds the vast majority back.

        • BackRowHeckler July 18, 2020 at 4:44 pm #

          Yeah because you’re an expert on African Americans. I know, I know, you’ve been to Selma.

          • Bobby Brown July 18, 2020 at 8:53 pm #

            An expert on African Americans. God you’re too stupid for words.

        • SoftStarLight July 18, 2020 at 4:51 pm #

          I do appreciate that you proved the point I made though.

  74. Pucker July 18, 2020 at 2:30 pm #

    New Dealers….

    What policy prescriptions do you have to put money in the hands of the middling classes and the sex workers?

    • SoftStarLight July 18, 2020 at 2:49 pm #

      Lol yes of course. Have you ever considered that we should go back to bartering? Isn’t money going to be worthless if they just keep printing it like out of control maniacs?

  75. Sredni Vashtar July 18, 2020 at 3:04 pm #

    She’s an arrogant Black asshole – just like most Black politicians. She’d have you out in six months. I love how you set yourself up as Saint Joe Biden the lesser.

  76. Sredni Vashtar July 18, 2020 at 4:15 pm #

    Anglin on Iconoclasm:

    There currently exists no defense against the attacks on these statues, because it has been accepted by the right that “racism” is just as evil as the left says it is.

    If you accept the basic premise that racism exists at all, that it is evil, that it must be stamped out, that any measures are acceptable to fight it – how can you possibly defend any white male?

    Because of the ideological nature of conservatism, and the acceptance of the premise that all decisions must be run through ideologies before being acted upon, there are no arguments that can be made in defense of our culture and history.

    Within conservative ideology, it can never be said, “it doesn’t matter if he’s racist, we don’t even know what that means anyway – the statue is not coming down, we will fight tooth and nail to protect it.”

    That kind of straightforward defense fails the test of ideology, because ideology requires that you fit everything you do or say into a larger lattice of strictly defined principles.

    Instead, these people go out there and say, “oh well, maybe he wasn’t racist, or maybe the good things he did made up for his racism, or…”

    And so on.

    We always lose if that is our starting position.

    So we’re just waiting around for these statues to be torn down. These fights are just a disgusting ritual.

    Fox News:

    A protest near the Christopher Columbus statue in Chicago’s Grant Park turned violent Friday night, as the crowd started hurling objects at police officers who were guarding the statue, according to reports.

    As conditions worsened, dozens of police officers arrived from across the city, FOX 32 of Chicago reported.

    A total of 18 police officers were injured at the scene, the report said. Some required treatment at hospitals.

    At least a dozen rioters were taken into custody, FOX 32 reported.

    At least four civilians were taken to hospitals but their medical conditions were unknown, Chicago’s WGN-TV reported.

    One injured woman was seen with a bandaged head, being prepared for transport to a hospital, WBBM’s Charlie De Mar reported.

    The protest began at the park’s Buckingham Fountain, then the crowd moved to the Columbus statue, with some members throwing a rope around it – in an apparent attempt to topple it, the Chicago Tribune and WGN reported.

    Rioters were heard chanting, “Columbus was a murderer! Columbus was a thief!” the newspaper reported.

    Just so you understand:

    Conservatives have accepted that colonialism and slavery were wrong. They have not accepted them as wrong purely in terms of morality, but also in terms of an ideological system.

    Ideological systems are necessarily utopian, and there is no room for nuance or internal conflict in the quest for a utopia.

    So you cannot defend a colonist or slave owner from the position of the ideology.

    Donald Trump was always appealing because he didn’t follow an ideology and would just say random things. So, he is about the only person in the entirety of conservatism who has an ability to fight back against this. However, he’s really not doing a very good job of it.

    SV: Clear? If I can help: The Right accepted the Left as its moral authority generations ago. That dooms us to a rearguard action and constant retreat. We ceded the moral high ground and are left with very little to fight back with. He makes an interesting distinction between the moral and ideological, but since the Right is ideological too, the moral arguments have much less force.

    We would replace Ideology with Identity. These are our Heroes – end of story. Good, Bad, or Indifferent – they are our Progenitors, our Fathers. You will not besmirch them. An Ideology of Identity? If you like, but a natural one, that flows from life. Your father might not be the best, but he’s still your father. Like that.

    The Moral? We can morally critique them in different ways of course. But as Jefferson said, Survival is the first morality. And having strong roots is a prerequisite of survival. Thus no outsider will be allowed to demean our Progenitors. And any among our own who viciously demean them is an outsider by the very act of so doing.

    • Colsterworth July 18, 2020 at 4:28 pm #

      This is all just sophistry and nonsensical word-salad from your “Anglin”.

      I agree there’s a significant difference between tearing down statues of Civil War warriors, who after all were losers, traitors, and pro-slavery, and attacking statues of Columbus. But if there were a clear policy and leadership from the top to remove all Confederate stuff, then maybe the energy would fade against all statues.

      • BackRowHeckler July 18, 2020 at 4:42 pm #

        Maybe you could topple the Edward VII statue.

        He was pretty white.

      • Sredni Vashtar July 18, 2020 at 4:43 pm #

        Sure. Nobody can breathe until All can breathe. Sink the lifeboats. Everyone in the water! Sharks are people too.

      • Kim July 18, 2020 at 11:44 pm #

        Anglin = Genius and Great Man

        Testicles like bowling balls.

    • BackRowHeckler July 18, 2020 at 4:37 pm #

      Speaking of Chicago, only 31 more homicides to make an even 100 for the month.

      Still plenty of time in July.

      Hey Cargill are you scouting Melbourne for any monuments of White Men you could tear down? There must be at least one that offends you.


      • Nightowl July 18, 2020 at 5:53 pm #

        Cargill of Melbourne, Florida.

        I once tripped on an armadillo there.

        True story.

        • BackRowHeckler July 18, 2020 at 6:12 pm #

          You’ve been around Nightowl, and you have good stories to prove it.

          • Bobby Brown July 18, 2020 at 8:50 pm #

            Yeah Night Fowl is like ben-her, the killer of Irish Wolfhounds and protector of chickens. And their eggs.

      • Iananna July 19, 2020 at 4:28 am #

        John Batman, syphilitic, genocidal drunk.

    • SoftStarLight July 18, 2020 at 4:45 pm #

      Yeah its a better way. Conservatives don’t conserve anything any way. If they truly did we wouldn’t have this issue in the first place. If they won’t protect our history then who are they working for in the first place?

      • Bobby Brown July 18, 2020 at 8:52 pm #

        They conserve ignorance, plant division, and sew alternate facts into a quilt of sublime ugliness.

  77. Sredni Vashtar July 18, 2020 at 4:48 pm #


    Defund the police indeed. Criminal philosophy.

  78. BackRowHeckler July 18, 2020 at 5:25 pm #

    Cargill toppling the Edward VII statue in Melbourne, Australia, Easy Beats soundtrack playing in the background.

    “Gonna have fun in the city

    You would like her she’s so pretty

    Doodoo doodoo do”


    • Iananna July 19, 2020 at 4:24 am #

      Their song “Friday on My Mind” is the apotheosis of Oz – the working week is just an interruption of Life.

      • Kim July 19, 2020 at 10:04 am #

        And sleep is that interval between thinking about one’s next drink.

  79. tucsonspur July 18, 2020 at 5:30 pm #

    Often enough, people write books on the economy, and propose new ideas for a variety of reasons. “Angrynomics” is a recent example. In it, the authors talk about things like a national wealth fund, (remember UBI?), and a data dividend (think Google, Amazon, etc. paying out), ostensibly for the purpose of spreading the wealth more equally.

    And sometimes something glaring really stands out, like this:

    ‘Between 1981 and 2017, Britain’s gross domestic product doubled, while the use of food banks rose by 1,000 per cent. At a rally in Sunderland,home to the Nissan auto plant, a pro-Remain politician said withdrawal from Europe would damage “our GDP”. To which someone yelled, “your GDP!”. As the authors write: “The disconnect between our experience of the world and the model used to explain it has come to a head?.?.?.?We cannot ‘nudge’ this system back to stability.” Here’s a review:


    I can never seem to find an answer in any of these books, to the question, ‘what happens to all the ‘bailout’ and PPP trillions of dollars?’ We know that back a decade or more ago, it went to big banks and corporations to prevent a major deflation.

    This is my take, since I can’t figure anything else.

    So take a quick snapshot of the economy pre-covid, frozen in time.
    There was a specific amount of dollars in the money supply, and it had a certain velocity with people buying and selling, paying bills, meeting payrolls, general spending, etc.

    Then the shut down happens and the velocity of money shrinks to a snail’s pace. People don’t get paid and can’t pay their bills and businesses have no income to pay theirs. Then comes the infusion of trillions of dollars.

    Now remember the snapshot and the original money supply. To put it broadly, that money was divided between the haves, the have some, and the have nots. Mostly for the haves. It was still there, but it just stopped flowing. Then trillions come in and the velocity now shoots up again. People are spending and paying their bills again. But as before, that money is going up to the top eventually, to corporations and to businesses overall seeking a profit. To the thieving medical and insurance companies.

    First, at snapshot time, you had a money supply with most of it going to the top.

    Second, you have trillions more Added to it, again with most of it going to the top.

    Is it that simple, that the money is just making the rich richer, stuffing their pockets while others merely survive? How can something like this catastrophe result in such a thing. Does some money just vanish, like Trump said the virus would? What am I missing?

    • JohnAZ July 18, 2020 at 6:05 pm #

      You are missing that the money that goes to the top gets split up to a zillion shareholders. Yeah, some goes to the Elite, but stock is owned by everyone, pension plans, 401k, banks etc. People are using their retirements, savings, portfolios to live right now.

      People have said that we are one paycheck away from a revolution for a long time. Well, not yet. But let this shutdown last much longer with people using up their savings and the BLM will be small potatoes.

  80. Sredni Vashtar July 18, 2020 at 5:59 pm #

    At last Trump is fighting back. He kept his promise. He said to the Mayors: If you don’t do something, I will. Seattle listened after the Mob came to her house. There were also rumors that Trump was getting ready to go in. Portland didn’t listen – bad move for the Democrats. Very bad. Great optics for him.

    Anybody out there late at night after the scene has been declared a riot doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Why didn’t he disperse as ordered, no doubt umpteenth times?

  81. BackRowHeckler July 18, 2020 at 6:06 pm #

    K-Dog was that the esteemed revolutionary who split a Federal Law Enforcement Officer’s head open with a hammer?

    What, this rabble thinks it only dishes it out? That no hard knocks will be incoming? Sorry, violence works two ways my friend. Apparently the gloves are off. It’s about time.


  82. Sredni Vashtar July 18, 2020 at 6:45 pm #


    People stood in lines for hours and then finally said fuck it and went home. They got a positive test result in the mail.

    They system is completely corrupt, why do John and Tusc believe it on this when they know better in general?

    Existential Terror. They were offered the apple of certainty and eternal life and they grabbed on with both hands.

    • JohnAZ July 18, 2020 at 8:29 pm #

      Absolute numbers are not the key to any data gathering. Trends are. Please do not try to excuse the current surge of new cases and hospitalizations, they are real.

      Politically, the reaction of the public is what is different. I worked in a hospital through HIV, SARS1 and the swine flu. There was not the fear of this pandemic. Respect yes!

      One thing you insinuate is true. Medical science has convinced the public that they are the key to immortality. They are not! We are just as mortal as ever and a tiny virus can still topple humanity. Viruses and bacteria, the simplest forms of life, sort of, still rule the roost on this planet.

      One thing that seems to be different this time is the asymptomatic 30% of victims. It is easy to quarantine people who are sick, but impossible when people do not even appear sick. It means isolation from everyone.

      That in itself is so anti-human nature.

      • Sredni Vashtar July 18, 2020 at 8:57 pm #

        It means that’s it’s not very dangerous for most. It’s the flu, bro. Face your terror, John. You really are going to die sooner or later, from this or something else.

        • JohnAZ July 18, 2020 at 9:52 pm #

          Fighting ignorance all the way.

        • JohnAZ July 18, 2020 at 9:55 pm #

          Nothing scares us like the unknown. Jaws was a perfect example.

          There is definitely a different fear with this virus.

  83. Billy Hill July 18, 2020 at 8:00 pm #

    If the people of Portland want nightly mayhem to be their chosen place, then by all means we should oblige. We’re all into local autonomy around here.

    The mayor and governor should offer the Federal Government fair market value per sq ft on all existing federal buildings. Empty them out, and leave. Period. The End. The government jobs, well, I guess they have to go elsewhere. Hey — you have to break some eggs.

    Cleansed of all Federal Authority the citizens of Portland can enjoy their local autonomy without fear representatives of the National Security State will show up putatively to protect property.

    Seems to me like a win-win.

  84. Billy Hill July 18, 2020 at 8:02 pm #


    The Portland Mob is NOT the Gilette Jaunes.

  85. Bobby Brown July 18, 2020 at 8:34 pm #

    I don’t think a lot of Trump supporters realize a reality TV show has writers. It has a script. The plot twists are well thought out and scripted in for maximum effect. They are cadence and timing issues that are carefully planned out to maximize the surprise. In short, Trump’s TV show was an illusion of a successful businessman. It was as real as “Gilligan’s Island.” Now that Covid 19 has destroyed his image as a leader, and laid bare for all to see the sheer and utter incompetence of this man, all he has left is to send out his bombastic minions, who in the face of hundreds of thousands of deaths, countless souls who have undergone tremendous suffering and will never be the same again, proclaim what a fantastic job Trump has done. It’s all an illusion. He’s the man behind the curtain, only now he uses Twitter. The Wizard of OH! God. People will never forgive the moronic Trump base for this. The Republican Party is finished and may never win another presidential election. Ever.

    • BackRowHeckler July 18, 2020 at 8:58 pm #

      Who writes the script Biden clumsily reads off a teleprompter about once a week from his basement, which is all his pathetic Presidential Campaign consists of?

    • JohnAZ July 18, 2020 at 9:51 pm #

      Which ends the republic that the USA is.

      • JohnAZ July 18, 2020 at 9:57 pm #

        There doesn’t seem to be very many folks who are willing to fight for the republic. Maybe it is time to pass humanity’s baton to someone else.

        • stelmosfire July 18, 2020 at 11:31 pm #

          John Az, I’ll fight for the republic.

        • Kim July 18, 2020 at 11:59 pm #

          Humanity’s baton cannot be passed on. One is either human and ready to receive it or one is not.

        • elysianfield July 19, 2020 at 11:33 am #

          “Maybe it is time to pass humanity’s baton to someone else.”

          Or something else…Bonobo’s?

  86. stelmosfire July 18, 2020 at 11:29 pm #

    BRH, bust out the TDS meter. The anti-freedom crowd is out of control. Someday in this country perhaps we may retain the freedoms our constitutional authors penned for us. As I see it we are under constant assault by bullshit anti-freedom lovers from all corners.

    • K-Dog July 19, 2020 at 12:37 am #

      True Words. The anti-freedom crowd is totally out of control.

      People need to get their shit together.

      • stelmosfire July 19, 2020 at 7:29 am #

        Nice find K-Dog. Got dam golf cart Nazis! Wait till the (golf clubs) come out. Someone is gonna’ get a serious beat-down!

      • stelmosfire July 19, 2020 at 7:35 am #

        It’s hard to yell “FUCK TRUMP” with a mask on. Those old farts need to get with the Covid-19 program. Oh, wait a minute the right to free speech trumps (TRUMP,TRUMP,TRUMP) disease concerns for that old bag.

      • emme July 19, 2020 at 11:19 am #

        Nice find indeed–ROFLMAO. Thanks for the good laugh, K-Dog.

        Did a quick search as I vaguely remembered reading something online about The Villages having a bit of a reputation as a swingers hot spot. Yup, this is the place. Guessing the MAGA and the Vote Blue No Matter Who crowds swing separately?
        Definitely a feisty bunch. 🙂

  87. Sredni Vashtar July 19, 2020 at 12:13 am #

    Found the ultimate anti-Covid Hoax article. Here is a sampling:

    The COVID event has also made the face mask into a physical badge of tribal identity, common to all the sub-constituencies. Wearing the mask is now about publicly distinguishing the virtuous and deploring the deplorables. North Carolina’s Democrat Governor Roy Cooper said that “A face covering signifies strength and compassion for others” and “wearing one shows that you care about other people’s health.” On the same day, New York’s Andrew Cuomo put it this way: “Wearing a mask is now cool, I believe it’s cool…. Wearing a mask is officially cool.” Anthony Fauci, who in March had told 60 minutes “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask,” in May gave his scientific judgment that masks are “a symbol for people to see that that’s the kind of thing you should be doing,” while admitting that they are “not 100% effective.” He could hardly have done otherwise since the New England Journal of Medicine had said: “wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers [the wearer] little, if any, protection from infection,” and is irrelevant to others in casual contact. Such a symbol of intersectional identity has it become that, as rioters were burning Minneapolis, its Democrat mayor urged the rioters whom he let burn parts of his city to make sure they wore masks while doing so. In sum, the lockdowns have been perpetuated and prolonged by people who care more about your compliance than your health.

    SV: It’s too long to post I’m afraid. I’ll link it in a reply to John. Barnhardt had a good anti-Covid religious video which I’ll give to Tusc. As a poet, he is closer to Divinity even though an unbeliever. John’s Christianity is pretty nominal I’m afraid.

    • K-Dog July 19, 2020 at 12:50 am #

      It just might be that wearing a mask is about wearing a mask. And nothing else.

      Put the damn thing on and shut the fuck up.

      • Colsterworth July 19, 2020 at 1:54 am #

        It just might be that wearing a mask is about wearing a mask. And nothing else.

        Indeed. In a world where COVID-19 can be lethal, and for a lot of survivors, debilitating; where asymptomatic / pre-symptomatic people can be very infectious; and the prospects for a vaccine or cure are months and months away … a mask is a very wise move, and a rational one, if you aren’t isolated and can’t social-distance.

        Anti-mask lunacy is all about drinking deeply of the Trumpy Kool AId. Anti-science and anti-medicine claptrap elevated to religious dogma.

        • SoftStarLight July 19, 2020 at 2:58 am #

          Oh ya, whatever you say Kakadu Cargill redux. Surely your dogma is always pro-science and pro-medicine but never religious. You’re a good dogma.

          • Sredni Vashtar July 19, 2020 at 3:33 am #

            Oy Yea!

          • SoftStarLight July 19, 2020 at 3:59 am #

            And BB is wolfie 4.0.

      • elysianfield July 19, 2020 at 11:30 am #

        “Put the damn thing on and shut the fuck up”

        I agree. Couldn’t hurt…and…and it shows an attempt at social responsibility. Maybe a hollow gesture, but so are many of our social mannerisms. Be polite. Be gracious. Compliment the offeror of a comment…even if it is ignorant shit, worthless drivel, embarrassingly common, derivative… platitudes. It is sometimes difficult to restrain the impulse to avoid the metaphorical air jerk, eye rolling and digitus impudicus…Mofo take note.

        Thank you.

        • akmofo July 19, 2020 at 11:48 am #

          What social responsibility? Playing along with a scripted staged murderous con game? You should be an anchor on CNN, you’re that pathetic, as is your moral compass.

          • akmofo July 19, 2020 at 12:42 pm #


            Mask shaming, which is evolving into hysterical screaming sessions from face diaper converts, should ring a big bell for students of history. In Nazi Germany, if you wouldn’t make the Nazi salute, you were shamed, attacked & even killed by other (Nazi) citizens.

          • elysianfield July 19, 2020 at 2:03 pm #

            My moral compass? I would like to think I have a moral theodolite….

            Might I suggest the next time you feel the bile rising, you might ponder WWWFBD (What would William F. Buckley Do)?

            “scripted staged murderous con game”

            Did the Sonderkommando have a choice? Did they enjoy their work? Was it fulfilling? An expedient? Was it difficult to recruit them?

            Wearing a mask is an expedient. Civility is the lubricant by which civilization runs.

          • akmofo July 19, 2020 at 2:59 pm #

            Did the Sonderkommando have a choice? Did they enjoy their work?

            They took trophy pictures smiling and reveling at the satanic humiliation and murder of God and his people.

            Civilization is not a theodolite measurement of bricks and expediency. Civilization is a vision and a dedication to that vision. And when reason and logic and resources fail, you use ideology and faith to guide you to that vision.

            This is something your Jewish Founding Fathers knew and understood and codified into the Constitution and Bill of Rights. But you are a callous stranger to all of that.

          • K-Dog July 19, 2020 at 6:20 pm #

            @akmofo – Did the Sonderkommando have a choice? Did they enjoy their work?

            I have an opinion. If you want to know what it is; ‘Come and See’.

          • Sredni Vashtar July 19, 2020 at 6:39 pm #

            Jewish Founding Fathers? News to me. You mean the Masons? That at least makes a bit of sense.

  88. JohnAZ July 19, 2020 at 12:44 am #


    If it can be shown through practice that distancing, washing hands and masks can prevent viral spread, ie colds, Corona, influenza, would you be so dead set against it?

    In New York, it flattened the curve.

    Do you think that maybe the real situation out there might be the virus was injected all over the US from people leaving the Northeast during its surge and is now just spreading everywhere.

    Could it be that through the asymptomatic folks, the hot spots burn out really quick with everyone getting the disease and most not being tested for it? Does flattening the curve with mitigation just delay the inevitable?

    Does the crud get spread by air handling systems? That idea would not surprise me. Does it spread in rest rooms or worse, make it through our waste water treatment systems?

    The summer season seems to have changed the pattern.

    I guess I am arguing your side. I will continue at my age to avoid contacting the crud in the first place.

    • Sredni Vashtar July 19, 2020 at 12:49 am #

      Have you read Flatland? We live a three dimensional world because we are three dimensional. Why do you seek to flatten us? Do you like women who are like boards?

      Do you even remember what that phrase meant? It meant to stagger the rate of infection, not cure it. There is no cure. Any vaccine will be like other corona vaccines – not very effective.

      Ok. But distinguish your needs from that of society. Can you do that? Because not to do so is narcissism. Read the article below: Cuomo killed thousands by putting the sick in with people in retirement homes – the ones who need protection. So I’m agreeing with you that far at least. One pundit said the same thing has happened all over the world. Have you heard anything like this? A calculated culling of the elderly?

      • K-Dog July 19, 2020 at 12:56 am #

        I’m not convinced that all of us are three dimensional. A lot of individuals would not even qualify as Flatlanders.

        They don’t even have a point.

  89. Sredni Vashtar July 19, 2020 at 12:44 am #

    Here is the article. Attn John Az:


    As Ann Barnhardt says, all aspects of the Hoax and Disaster (the disaster is very real) are covered.

    • JohnAZ July 19, 2020 at 1:04 am #

      Good article and I believe it. I have stated here many times that I believe that it is a political hoax.

      Just remember as the article says, very little is understood about this crud. Opening schools, for example, can be a Pandora’s box, as the contagion going through kids goes into families where the serious effects develop.

      Society needs to decide what it wants to do. What would happen if we just turned everything back on? No one knows for sure. Out of the unknown, fear creeps.

      For me, I do not believe either side. There is not enough info out there to disregard potential danger. There is not enough info to not disregard it either.

      Best guess?

      BTW, maybe it just reflects the jerk to the Left this country is going through now?

    • K-Dog July 19, 2020 at 1:29 am #

      all aspects

      hmmmmmm it is a double flush in all aspects. Get out the plunger Srendi has clogged the toilet again. A full load of shit. Putrid self-serving propaganda. It is a dirty job and nobody has to do it. But I protest too much. All propaganda is self-serving so I should not get my short-clothes in a bunch?

      Absolutely, it is not all created equal but all of it seeks to induce an action in the propagandee. On that basis relative comparisons of damage can be made. It is all bad, but some is worse.

      And this link stinks to high heaven. It reeks of narcissism and the justifications of narcissism.

      William of Ockham would know what to do.

      “All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best.”

      But Occam would not have need his principle to know what to do, he was a Franciscan Friar and would not have needed science to know right from wrong.

      It is a virus, put the goddamn mask on and do everything else you are suppose to do or admit and declare:

      That a 13th century medieval surf who could not read or write and who from birth to grave never went more than forty miles from home had more sense than you in their little toe.

      They had the black death and they figured out to use masks of sorts. They looked like birds with it on. Without which you might not be here. Actually more than might not. You would not be here if they acted like the propaganda you spew.

      People, choose other poison. Some of it is less deadly. Less lethal like a rubber bullet, but less lethal anyway. Back in the day the smokes with the perforations so you inhaled half air really were better than, Lucky Strikes Sredni No Filter.

      • SoftStarLight July 19, 2020 at 2:49 am #

        You are so dramatic it is just way over the top. In what reality do you think the black death and covid are comparable? You’ll be wearing a mask every day for the rest of your days with an attitude like that. Viruses are everywhere and they are out to get you.

        • K-Dog July 19, 2020 at 4:08 am #

          You want people passive docile and stupid.

          • Nightowl July 19, 2020 at 5:36 pm #

            That is the definition of a mask wearer, hiding in his house.


      • Colsterworth July 19, 2020 at 3:19 am #

        It is a virus, put the goddamn mask on and do everything else you are suppose to do or admit and declare:

        That a 13th century medieval serf who could not read or write and who from birth to grave never went more than forty miles from home had more sense than you in their little toe.

        Absolutely … but I’m not sure you will convince the lunar right on here that they are indeed living in the 14th Century. They are clutching their pearls and waving their wands. No masks for them!

        Until one of them catches it of course … then we’ll see the tune change …

        • SoftStarLight July 19, 2020 at 3:36 am #

          Meh. I know several people who have had it at this point and it was no big deal for any of them. I probably have already had it too. Nothing worse than a regular cold from what I am seeing. Drama, drama, drama.

          • Colsterworth July 19, 2020 at 5:04 am #

            Nothing worse than a regular cold from what I am seeing. Drama, drama, drama.

            Ask the 137,000 who have died … death death death.

            What a complete dickhead you can be … good grief.

            Farewell again Cargill — JHK Admin

          • K-Dog July 19, 2020 at 6:04 am #

            Insidious propaganda.

          • stelmosfire July 19, 2020 at 7:50 am #

            Colostomyworth, 137,000 dead. Yea, right. Supposedly attributed to the Covid. Killed in a car crash with Covid? Covid column. Heart attack mowing the lawn with Covid . Covid column. 8000 people die every day in the States, mostly from cancer and cardiovascular disease. How many have Covid and get put in the Covid column? Covid hit hard around here. Killed a lot of old folks. More than 80+ in one Veterans Home alone. Tragic? Yes. But really, most if not all of them were never going to leave that place upright. If I am in the home please do me a favor and put a pillow over my face.

          • benr July 19, 2020 at 10:20 am #

            Farewell again Cargill — JHK Admin

            HAHAHAHA Good one Jim!
            Bobby Brown is Seadolt having slunk back in as well.
            I don’t understand the three or four people you ban over and over sneaking back in and behaving and posting exactly how they do to get banned over and over.
            Must be exhausting.
            Thanks for that though.

          • benr July 19, 2020 at 10:23 am #

            My wife works with a lady who’s husband just died of a heart attack and it was ruled …you guessed it covid 19 death.
            I can now say IO have first hand knowledge of this happening.
            The real reason they get an extra pay check for anything covid related on top of what ever the insurance and out of pocket expense is.

          • GreenAlba July 19, 2020 at 11:39 am #


            I can’t speak for what goes on in the US, where the waters are muddied by filthy lucre. Here in the UK there is no benefit to anyone to put a death down as Covid when it isn’t, because nobody gets paid any more either way. And with a shortage of testing, it’s more likely to go the other way, in the community and in care homes.

            When my brother had his heart attack, he was tested for Covid (the result was negative), partly because that would dictate which part of intensive care he’d be treated in and partly because one of the many symptoms Covid can produce is myocarditis. It’s not just a respiratory disease. So you can indeed die of a heart attack caused by Covid when you wouldn’t otherwise have had a heart attack.

            It’s not clearcut in many instances.

            Public Health England’s counting is being investigated because they’ve been checking up on people who’ve ‘recovered’ from Covid and if they’ve subsequently died not long after (within a couple of months), they’ve put it down to Covid. In Scotland, on the other hand, there is a cut-off period of 28 days, after which deaths will not be attributed to Covid, even if the person died of the sequellae of Covid

            Clearly it is not an exact science and cannot be. It seems the disease can have neurological sequellae too – and it’s too soon to be able to say how long-lasting these are. One of the after effects can include suicidal feelings. If a person who’s never felt suicidal before feels suicidal after having Covid, then tops themselves two months later, they’ll be counted as a Covid death in England but not in Scotland.

            In countries with less sophisticated health systems, you can rest assured that vast numbers of Covid deaths will never be officially attributed to Covid. Even in the UK the number of excess deaths is far more than those attributed to Covid, so we can assume that’s happening here as well.

          • Nightowl July 19, 2020 at 4:55 pm #

            “Here in the UK there is no benefit to anyone to put a death down as Covid when it isn’t”

            Big brain weighs in. No benefit to anyone. She checked, kids.

          • K-Dog July 19, 2020 at 6:24 pm #

            Easy for her to say, she lives in a civilized country!

          • Majella July 19, 2020 at 10:04 pm #

            The real reason they get an extra pay check for anything covid related on top of what ever the insurance and out of pocket expense is.

            And there, benr, in a complete (and punctuated!) sentence, you have illuminated the underlying issue of the American healthcare system and the fact that it is a racket, run by grifters.

            While the ‘front line’ nurses & doctors work punishing hours, the bean counters in the hospital’s Mahogany Row find any possible way to make a buck out of it, for the shareholders, of course, for this is their solemn duty!

            So, the public/Medicare/Medicaid payment for COVID cases to hospitals are an inducement to fraud? No. While it may create an opportunity to rort the system, it’s still a conscious choice by SOMEONE on the organisation to do so and that’s a crime. Slim chance of any of this stuff being ferreted out and prosecuted, though.

          • Majella July 19, 2020 at 10:09 pm #

            “Big brain weighs in. No benefit to anyone. She checked, kids.

            That is such a deep and meaningful analysis, Tweets. Please, keep up the witheringly insightful commentary. Your perspective on all things COVID is truly valued!

          • Majella July 19, 2020 at 10:32 pm #

            Ah. The fatal word…d**kh**d. You may call other posters many things, but not that. It strikes me as curious as to why this particular usage draws such ire. For example, would ‘bell end’ be equally offensive?

          • GreenAlba July 20, 2020 at 6:38 am #

            “Big brain weighs in. No benefit to anyone. She checked, kids.”

            Narcissist weighs in. Can’t stop following me around with insults trying to ‘win’ because he fucked up with the hydroxychloroquine saga when he just pointed to the clever people instead of looking at the RCTs. And he just can’t get over it.

            Sad. Can’t make a point in adult fashion without pointing out his implicitly bigger brain. A tragic case of insecurity. Common with narcissists. Despite what they say, they really don’t like themselves.

            Poor wee scone.

            Obviously he’s got a copy of the letter sent to my other half by Big Covid Brother giving him guidance on filling in death certificates.


      • Sredni Vashtar July 19, 2020 at 3:30 am #

        Someone is majorly miffed. The author is too close to the intersectional truth of your intersectionally evil Cult.

        The bird mask was for doctors. Pretty cool. I’d wear that and none other. I could go right up to women who look good and start pecking them – just to help them of course.

      • Q. Shtik July 19, 2020 at 2:30 pm #

        a 13th century medieval surf – K-Dog


        the mass or line of foam formed by waves breaking on a seashore or reef during the 1400s. 😉

  90. Sredni Vashtar July 19, 2020 at 3:31 am #

    For Tusc:


    • tucsonspur July 19, 2020 at 5:02 am #

      Put it on, stop the con. Be brave, put it on. Suicide is the coward’s way out. Live! Are you not pro life? So live!


      • SoftStarLight July 19, 2020 at 3:00 pm #

        John Jacob Astor, the founder of the New York Public Library was a real estate mogul, a fur trade monopolist, a banker, and a very well connected and high ranking freemason. The Astor family is one of the world’s most well connected and wealthiest families. It is probably therefore safe to say the library promotes globalist NWO programming. Or at least it is very possible don’t you think?

        • tucsonspur July 19, 2020 at 5:55 pm #

          The library itself? I wouldn’t think so, but what do I know. You have world trade and thus you have globalism, so I guess you could call the Astor family globalists.

          The scale was smaller and there wasn’t the massive spread of it as there is today. But it had to begin somewhere, sometime, and I think it’s reasonable to say that the late 1800’s and early 1900’s in the US may be the time and place that global capitalism took off.

          I’m sure that the Robber Barons saw the entire world as a place to enrich themselves.

          J. Astor lV built the Waldorf-Astoria in NYC, along with his cousin William, who had connections in Britain. Astor, supposedly the richest man on board, went down with the Titanic, much of whose interior design was said to be taken from the Waldorf.

          But, as we know, globalism certainly didn’t go down with the Titanic. It seems impossible to sink now.

        • Majella July 19, 2020 at 10:12 pm #

          It is probably therefore safe to say the library promotes globalist NWO programming. Or at least it is very possible don’t you think?”

          Umm, no.

      • Sredni Vashtar July 19, 2020 at 5:00 pm #

        Fear is a very great worship, is it not? You fear Covid, thus it is your Devil God.

        • GreenAlba July 20, 2020 at 7:00 am #

          I fear falling off great heights, more so as I get older, when vertigo habitually increases. So I avoid hanging off high balconies. I don’t spend any time thinking about it when I’m not near a great height, though, but my legs do turn to jelly watching other people doing things at scary heights.

          I suspect in certain brains this must be a religion.

          Sheesh. What goes on in schools these days?

  91. stelmosfire July 19, 2020 at 7:23 am #

    So many shootings in the big cities. Guns are illegal in Chicago. What gives? Where do they get ammo.? I can’t find any.

    • BackRowHeckler July 19, 2020 at 11:46 am #

      64 dead, 320 shot so far this month in Chicago.

      100 is within reach. You won’t be hearing much about it on CNN.

      I don’t know if its spilling over into Mass, but a trend in Ct is closed restaurants (closed since about March 25, about 45% predicted not to reopen) suddenly burning down. Nobody knows why, spontaneous combustion maybe. It’s a mystery.


      • akmofo July 19, 2020 at 11:50 am #

        Insurance money?

        • BackRowHeckler July 19, 2020 at 12:40 pm #

          That’s a strong possibility, Akmofo.

          • stelmosfire July 19, 2020 at 5:49 pm #

            I really don’t care one way or the other.. We called it rats with matches or Jewish lighting . Take your pick. Nothing about jews, just plain old arson of a losing proposition. Insurance pays and then you pay with increased premiums.

          • stelmosfire July 19, 2020 at 5:50 pm #


          • elysianfield July 19, 2020 at 7:44 pm #

            ” really don’t care one way or the other.. We called it rats with matches or Jewish lighting…”


            Mort…”Irv, congratulations on the fire…”.

            Irv…”shhhh, it’s not until tomorrow!

            Old joke…poorly told.

  92. wwg1wga July 19, 2020 at 11:03 am #

    A true SPECTRE.

  93. JohnAZ July 19, 2020 at 12:38 pm #

    As the crud seems to get worse as you move south in the US, the idea that air conditioning seems to gain credibility. Legionnaires disease was bacterial and hid in the condensate water of air conditioning units. Has anyone even mentioned that scenario for COVID. Does it wait in the condensate and then spray all over when the system cycles? Do aerosol virus condense out of the return air and concentrate in the units? Something is going on as an undercurrent here as the mitigation methods are not even denting the rising case loads. Yet the northern tier are staying relatively low. Interesting too is that the northern crises hit during the end of heating season?

    The mitigation methodology is simple. A mask is a partial barrier against ambient droplets containing virus. An n95 mask fitted well is a deterrent against the virus itself. A mask is needed when you are potentially exposed to the virus in the air. Droplets, airborne, whatever.

    The virus goes everywhere in certain people and almost nowhere in others. No info yet on why that is. Until questions are answered, universal precautions are required. That says you treat all areas and all unknown folks as contaminated. If you do not know if an indoor venue you are visiting is clean of virus, wear your mask there. Do you keep your car clean of virus? No mask. Your house? No mask. Your RV? No mask. If an area has not had an influx of virus from a contamination source, a sick person, there is no need for mitigation measures there.

    If an area is unknown, protect yourself. As the virus seems to be able to invade all areas of the body, any substance exiting the body can carry it away and infect other people, or other surfaces or substances. To me, public restrooms seem to be a good place to avoid right now. Especially the ones without seat covers. Beware the plume. Anyway, fecal oral control is, wash your hands when you have been somewhere where surfaces have been potentially contaminated. Endlessly washing your hands in your own house is a waste of time. Unless of course, a guest all of a sudden gets the crud.

    Protect your own environment that you live in. Mitigate in any area that is unknown to you. That is it.

    • Sredni Vashtar July 19, 2020 at 2:10 pm #

      More abject terror. You are free to do all those things, just leave the rest of us alone. In some places you can order food to come right to your door. There is no real reason to ever leave your house. Keep the windows shut too.

      Americans started wearing masks all the time before the government even ordered them too – utter slaves.

  94. Billy Hill July 19, 2020 at 12:55 pm #

    From ZH:

    “Once praised as a shining example of viral-suppression for the early and strict measures it took to seal its borders and implement strict test-and-trace protocols, Hong Kong has suffered a second wave of the outbreak that has intensified with dizzying speed…

    …Responding to the recent surge in new infections, which one of the city’s leading epidemiologists attributed to a particularly virulent strain of the virus that’s 30% more infectious, Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam announced that quarantine and isolation facilities will undergo a major upgrade to fortify the city’s defenses against another resurgence.”

    Note that Russia too was praised early on and then… failure.

    Apparently no one has a clue how to contain it, short of hermetically sealing entire populations.

    Returning to Jim Sinclair’s thesis of “fortuitousness” with regard to the monetary system, I submit an extension to that line of thought: “fortuitous” culling of the non-productive welfare claimants (i.e., retired, or on disability) and the health system claimants (pre-retirement age, employed, with underlying health issues related to the American diet of salt, sugar, and animal fat.

    It’s not clear how the numbers work if in the destruction of demand for money or welfare half of all small businesses are destroyed, entire sectors (aviation; hospitality) are decimated, and the former workers are no longer contributing payroll taxes. This in itself negates the conspiracy theory explanation: how could they have been so dumb? Well, on second thought, maybe they are that dumb.

    We are led finally back to the lab in Wuhan. WTF are we doing as a species toying around with these things? No level of security is perfect — see Murphy’s Law corollaries. Yes, I hear the arguments about how the research is scientifically necessary and all that. But — whether accident or intentional — here it is. It’s not going away. We might as well get used to it as did the Europeans with the Black Death.

    • beantownbill. July 19, 2020 at 1:16 pm #

      I collect social security, but number one, I’m been paying into the system for the past 53 years, so it’s mostly my own money I’m getting back; number two, I’m still working and being productive; number three, I’ve lived a good lifestyle by exercising and eating carefully, so I’m still pretty healthy. I’m pretty sure there’s a lot of other elders like me. Basically, I live happily and want to continue living and being productive as long as possible even with my somewhat aged body. I generally resent people saying and/or implying that the elderly are useless eaters (not saying you have that attitude).

      • Billy Hill July 19, 2020 at 2:38 pm #

        I was making no moral judgement on elders.
        Nor on the obese.

        I was positing the theory that a “fortuitous culling” is underway of populations who are cashing in claims on the Welfare State (SSA, Medicare, Medicaid, etc etc etc) in addition to those who may still be working and paying into the system but who are destined to make very large claims. That is all. It is an extension of Jim Sinclair’s theory of C-19 as a fortuitous event that destroyed the demand for money (loans) which was blowing up the financial system (repo crisis) via uncontrollable interest rates.

        FWIW I am 691/2 and in the system. I recently had a heart sonogram at the direction of cardiologist which “cost” $2500 or so. Medicare paid what, maybe $300? I pay into BCBS so they will also participate. Nowhere was it advertised that the procedure would cost $2500 (took 20 minutes and involved a technician). Yeah, the facility pays rent and utilities, salaries, benefits, and on and on. Who knows? Maybe I got a bargain. In any event I too have paid into the system since 1966 and “I am just getting my money back.” What I should have done was borrow my future payments and bought a Shelby Cobra 427.

        • benr July 20, 2020 at 9:54 am #

          What you are paying for is malpractice risk.
          Most of the crazy schemes for hospitals have come as a result of government intrusion and ambulance chasing lawyers.
          They call it a medical practice for a reason.
          Doctors make mistakes and people die.

  95. beantownbill. July 19, 2020 at 12:58 pm #


    Your comment at 1:04 AM matches my feelings exactly.. I can’t trust what any so-called expert says on either side of the COVID argument. For me, given my age, the only sane action is to wear a mask and practice social distancing. Maybe I’m being foolish, but I’d rather err on the side of safety. I don’t feel that I’m losing my liberty, although I have lost some freedom to do everything I want.

    However, we have to look at the big picture, too. At what point is the price too high for the shutdowns and other restrictions? There’s 330,000,000 Americans. If we were to take no precautions, how many would die or be permanently invalided? One million? Three million? What about the other 300+ million who will never be affected?

    Our country is going down the tubes economically and emotionally, and our handling of the virus situation is greatly speeding up our downfall. I’ve made my own decision on how I want to deal with all this. Shouldn’t people be treated like adults and be free to make their own decisions? This is all about the government getting in our faces (literally and figuratively) to control us.

    For those who say there’s a lot of people who are selfish and don’t care if they infect others, well, welcome to the real world; you can always take precautions.

    • K-Dog July 19, 2020 at 1:04 pm #

      However, we have to look at the big picture, too.

      Masks and reasonable precautions would allow the economy to work. It does not have to be one or the other.

      But sadly idiots make it so.

      • Billy Hill July 19, 2020 at 1:11 pm #

        The hospitality industry and commercial aviation await your recommendations.

        • K-Dog July 19, 2020 at 1:42 pm #

          People will be flying less and that is a good thing. Subsidizing a failing industry is not a good thing. Airlines like taxicabs should be regulated and like any industry does not have an automatic right to exist.

          The hospitality industry in general should be subsidized so that employment can be maintained. It won’t be forever. A tax jubilee subsidized pay and rent relief. Very specific helps could be given so that viable businesses survive. Emphasis on viable. I’d put Richard Wolf in charge of coming up with a plan on how to best maintain employment. From that I’d put together a team. Things would turn around as quick as they could.

          It is a difficult issue Billy Hill. Life is a constant flux of dialectic forces in motion. Help is needed but the sclerotic must not survive. That is the dilemma.

          To my detractors, I want people to have jobs.

          • K-Dog July 19, 2020 at 1:44 pm #

            Richard D. Wolff

          • Sredni Vashtar July 19, 2020 at 2:14 pm #

            Why? Just keep printing money!

            To share one must first have.
            To have one must first produce.

            Thus Kdog (and pop communism) are repudiated.

          • Billy Hill July 19, 2020 at 3:10 pm #

            “People will be flying less and that is a good thing.”

            I wonder if we have any pilots, stewardesses, gate agents, baggage handlers, turbine mechanics in the house who would like to chime in here?

            Or the airport retail shop employees?

            Just like C-19 you can be a badass about mitigation until you get sick and your lungs fail. With employment you can be an understanding well-meaning fellow looking at silver linings for others until your job is vaporized.

            As for rent: someone’s debt is another’s asset. Until the debt remains unpaid.

            As for the tax bases of municipalities and states: those projections from a year ago now look wildly optimistic.

            The economic implications of this have not really been manifested yet. We’ll see shortly how well MMT performs.

          • SoftStarLight July 19, 2020 at 3:30 pm #

            In other words you might as well have said it’s a good thing those people lost their jobs because they aren’t essential. Oh well, they can join the swelling ranks of the families at the food bank lines huh. It’s ok to be able to determine who survives as long as that authority is vested in you. Wow! How telling that is.

          • K-Dog July 19, 2020 at 6:15 pm #

            I’m vaporized along with everyone else. I care.

          • BackRowHeckler July 19, 2020 at 6:40 pm #

            Airlines are one of the most highly regulated businesses on the planet.

          • GreenAlba July 20, 2020 at 7:03 am #

            Shame they haven’t paid any fuel duty since WW2, though, brh.

            We don’t get perks like that, do we?

          • benr July 20, 2020 at 9:59 am #


            So does the fishing fleet of San Diego.
            One of my friends is a lobster and shrimp guy he pays .99 cents for diesel and gas for his boat.
            With out that he would not survive.
            I looked at buying one of the swordfish licenses as another friend works on Yamaha outboard motors and has access to all sorts of boats and equipment cheap but that is a freaking tough life.

    • Sredni Vashtar July 19, 2020 at 2:12 pm #

      Thank you for getting outside of yourself. I asked John to do it and he wouldn’t.

  96. Bobby Brown July 19, 2020 at 1:01 pm #

    Boy it must be hard being a Trump supporter now. Not only did you get suckered into voting for this con man, now he’s killing you. Drop those masks in the trash. Step on them, spit on them, set them on fire. Like pissing into a fan, those tiny droplets are coming at you, infecting, and killing you. Keep emulating the orange buffoon. Red is dead. Please Trump supporters, DON’T WEAR A MASK!!!!!!!

    • messianicdruid July 19, 2020 at 1:08 pm #

      Hey bubby, wearing that mask is like putting up a chainlink fence to keep out mosquitoes.

      We are all going to deal personally with CV, I will do so with a peak immune system while mask wearers will have been breathing 20% less oxygen along with their own exhaust fumes. Its like drinking your own piss.

      Exhaust that stuff, don’t save it up.

      Greed and FEAR, two poor motivators.

    • beantownbill. July 19, 2020 at 1:29 pm #

      I’m not a Trump supporter but knowing either him or Biden will probably be the next president makes me nauseous. No need for you to be so annoyingly sarcastic.

      • BackRowHeckler July 19, 2020 at 6:29 pm #

        That’s Seawolf’s MOS, Bill.

        I think Jim will be kicking him out soon (again)

        Bill, that 3 day fast you went on not long ago, was it worthwhile? Did you have any negative or positive effects from it?


        • beantownbill. July 19, 2020 at 7:16 pm #

          I had a good result to my digestive track. Other than that nothing else I was aware of. My stomach and intestines weren’t doing well, probably from my sister’s death. The fast cleared that up fast,

        • beantownbill. July 19, 2020 at 7:20 pm #

          I had a good for my digestive tract. Other than that nothing else I was aware of. My stomach and intestines weren’t doing well, probably because of my sister’s death. The fast cleared that up fast.

          • beantownbill. July 19, 2020 at 7:21 pm #

            S/b a good result

          • BackRowHeckler July 19, 2020 at 7:34 pm #

            Cool, thanks.

        • benr July 20, 2020 at 10:00 am #

          Yea obnoxious and hateful is the seadolt.

  97. K-Dog July 19, 2020 at 1:13 pm #

    Why Americans are having trouble putting on the mask I don’t understand.

    All they have to do is pretend masks are little smallpox infected blankets and that the COVID virus is a Native American.

    Then compliance will come naturally.

    • beantownbill. July 19, 2020 at 1:18 pm #

      Because some people are pissy and don’t like being told what to do.

      • messianicdruid July 19, 2020 at 1:26 pm #

        I think it is because we are tired and sick of listening to liars.

        The TRUTH against the World System.

        Have you noticed they are pumping out the alien invader stuff again, along with schematics of the TR4s.
        , and SPY animals.

        • K-Dog July 19, 2020 at 1:51 pm #

          Animatronic SPY animals.

          That could make taking a piss in the woods embarrassing.

          A company was making some rabbits for Homeland Security. I saw a link to it but that was quite a while ago.

    • BackRowHeckler July 19, 2020 at 6:38 pm #

      That never happened. More lies from the America hating left.

      • K-Dog July 19, 2020 at 10:57 pm #


        William Trent, a trader, land speculator and militia captain, wrote in his diary that on June 23, two Delaware emissaries had visited the fort, and asked to hold talks the next day. At that meeting, after the Native American diplomats had tried unsuccessfully to persuade the British to abandon Fort Pitt, they asked for provisions and liquor for their return. The British complied, and also gave them gifts—two blankets and a handkerchief which had come from the smallpox ward. “I hope it will have the desired effect,”