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23 Responses to “KunstlerCast 380 — Post Doom with Eco-theologian Michael Dowd”

  1. FGB3 July 2, 2023 at 1:31 pm #

    Ecology is all well and good; as is theology.
    But, neither are going to be important until we defeat totalitarianism.
    Least-wise that’s my view. First Things First.

    • Michael Dowd July 3, 2023 at 8:49 pm #

      Who’s “we”? I think “we” are way less omnipotent than you seem to imply.

    • TravisB July 4, 2023 at 2:08 pm #

      I can never get the point of view that puts any concern, particularly political and social issues, over ecology. Because…if there is no where to live, or no way to be alive then…

      • Michael Dowd July 5, 2023 at 12:45 pm #

        Amen, Travis! I couldn’t agree more. Thanks for your comment!

  2. tom clark July 2, 2023 at 4:37 pm #

    I wonder if this is the same “dowd” who posts to CFN occasionally? Hmmm.

    As for the interview…meh…not a lot new here to ponder. Dowd comes across as a John Michael Greer clone…even has JMG’s diabolical laugh. If you need yet another dose of JMG, go to the Kunstlercast from a few weeks back where Jimbo interviewed him.

    • Michael Dowd July 3, 2023 at 8:43 pm #

      Hey, Tom, good to see your displeasure here. Yup, same me. ?

      If you’d like something substantial to critique, I’d love to hear your radically honest reflections on my recent 52-minute Canadian Association for the Club of Rome (CACOR) presentation, “The Big Picture: Beyond Hope and Fear”.
      I consider it my best (most concise and detailed) introduction to the Post Doom, No Gloom naturalist worldview. The Q&A, too, if you have interest.

  3. hladini July 2, 2023 at 5:09 pm #

    Talking about food, it’s way worse than just salt, sugar and fat, it’s about 10,000 FDA approved food chemicals. Some of the chemicals in the product create the out of control urges to keep eating the product.

  4. hladini July 2, 2023 at 5:48 pm #

    Yes, we should always be grateful for our present day luxuries. However, I don’t think we should become complacent. We can try to “prep” in the sense of keeping supplies on hand, but the “preps” that include being physically fit, having some survival skills and having reliable people in your life are harder to take away from you.

    The greatest existential threat is a grid down in this country. And I agree, when the grid goes down, people will mobilize.

    I am preparing for this cataclysm and for me it’s the Sun. All we need is a big burp from the Sun and our modern world ends, globally. I don’t think the authorities’ prediction of 80-90% fatality rate in 2 months after a grid down with no outside help is accurate. I think the authorities have under-estimated people.

    Great interview.

  5. towhatend July 2, 2023 at 7:05 pm #

    i just cannot take another person on the rfkjr bandwagon,,,,, i think he is such an obvious climate agenda setup.

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    • Michael Dowd July 3, 2023 at 8:44 pm #

      To by clear: The only bandwagon I’m on is the one at PostDoom.com

  6. Deb July 2, 2023 at 11:00 pm #

    Climate change is the least of our problems. That’s his take? Genetic tampering, pollution of ocean and air, AI, raving hoards of ideological zombies, etc. will have far greater impact on the destruction of the current civilization than the temperature going up a degree or two.
    His gleeful acknowledgement of end time prophecies is rather curious considering the pending destruction of his progeny. Blah blah blah.

    • Michael Dowd July 3, 2023 at 8:42 pm #

      Deb, nothing gleeful at all. No end-times prophecies. Just ecological and historical truth, as painful as it is. My recent 52-minute Canadian Association for the Club of Rome (CACOR) presentation, “The Big Picture: Beyond Hope and Fear”:
      is my most concise and detailed articulation, in case you’re interested.

    • Michael Dowd July 3, 2023 at 8:45 pm #

      Deb and Tom, if you don’t have patience to watch a video, I wrote a guest post for Dave Pollard a couple of years ago that summarizes much of what I hold to be true and important: “Overshoot: Where We Stand Now”.

  7. thirdcoastlegend July 3, 2023 at 12:25 pm #

    Coral loss?

    The Great Barrier Reef is healthier than it has been in years.

    Drop, “Great Barrier Reef health,” into any search engine and pages of links confirming this will be returned.

    • Michael Dowd July 3, 2023 at 8:47 pm #

      Seriously? I detail everything that’s undeniably collapsing here: “Overshoot: Where We Stand Now” (Guest Post on Dave Pollard’s blog).

      • thirdcoastlegend July 7, 2023 at 11:05 am #


        I visited the post you mentioned did some searching.

        Ctrl+F, “coral,” 0 results returned.

        Ctrl+F, “reef,” 0 results returned.

  8. tom clark July 4, 2023 at 11:01 am #

    Michael.. thanks for coming on JHKs blog to “respond to the responders”, so to speak. I appreciate your making me aware of Collapse Acceptance Theory and I’m sure to be hearing and reading more about it in the future. I’m a geologist and a UCC member so I’m always interested in the interplay between science and faith. I also like to think I have a longterm perspective on our current predicament. “Thank God for Evolution” sounds like one to add to my reading list. TC

    • Michael Dowd July 5, 2023 at 12:53 pm #

      Thanks, Tom. I actually no longer recommend my own book (even with its boatload of science and religion luminary endorsements). I still agree with 80% of it, of course, but the 20% I disagree with (the techno-optimism and unidirectional understanding of evolution as progress) is so ecologically clueless that I don’t recommend the book as a whole anymore.
      My best science and religion integration videos all exist in a Youtube playlist — thegreatstory youtube channel — titled, “Eco-Theo Religious Naturalism”

  9. TravisB July 4, 2023 at 12:57 pm #

    To those who are paying attention, much “conspiracy theory” is truth.
    To the incurious, much truth is “conspiracy theory”

    • Michael Dowd July 5, 2023 at 12:55 pm #

      Unfortunately, those who cry “conspiracy theory!” are often, consciously or unconsciously righteously espousing some lie or delusion themselves. Ahhhh, isn’t it awesome to see how civilizations collapse and go insane? 🙂

  10. TravisB July 4, 2023 at 1:48 pm #

    “Parts of the Christ story that seem absurd to the casual observer”

    Well that is a statedly absurd observation and position. If you want to get to the truth of something so profound as the “Jesus story” one has to go much beyond casual observation.
    There are also books that have been removed that without make the Bible ultimately confusing and make people submissive. Removed books such as the book of Judas, the book of Thomas, the book of Mary, book of Enoch. In these there is much talk from Jesus about endless inconceivable worlds and races of beings, and how to connect to reality and be powerful. All of which takes the claws away from any would be human authority. Which makes sense to why they were removed…
    I am 46 and didn’t really start reading the Bible and the other books removed until a couple years ago.

    Changed my life dramatically.

    Although the stories (which are in fact uncovering of patterns in humans and in nature, and so a “how to” of living) have been done many times over. The emerald tablets of Thoth 34k BC,just as example, say much of the same thing Jesus speaks to, particularly in the books removed from the chosen cannon of the King James Bible.

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  11. trolleybill July 8, 2023 at 3:15 am #

    You’d be surprised to know that many people are into a modern day back to the land movement. Gowing food is natural for man. Many people have been leaving the suburbs for small town America especially older Americans.

    Americans are being introduced to Faux Old timey street shopping strips with awnings over the front windows and a fake upstairs apartments like back in 1930. Modernism of the 1950’s took away the style of architecture like the Art Deco period and people are being attracted to it as why it was designed with eye pleasing style and design.

    I have no idea what the future holds, and nobody does. We only know what we would like to see. I lived in an Ohio Amish enclave small town for 5 years in the 1980’s and loved the town. What we need are some wealthy billionaires to fund small start-up farms. This is what I wanted to do with a cottage industry type business. but need money to buy land so had to join the 8-5 working world. Plans change but my mind never left how to do it and tweak it over the past 40 some years
    Yes! Collapse is coming and it is like musical chairs.


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