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James H Douglas served Vermont for more than 35 years as a legislator, Secretary of State, State Treasurer and Governor. He advanced groundbreaking health reforms that have made Vermont a national model. Douglas chaired the National Governors Association. He now teaches at Middlebury College, his alma mater. I called him to talk about the extraordinary contagion of Wokery in his state, and on the college scene in particular. Some of what he had to say was surprising, you’ll see. 

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10 Responses to “KunstlerCast 378 – Former Vermont Gov. Jim Douglas on How His State of Vermont Got So Woked Up”

  1. tom clark June 9, 2023 at 11:35 pm #

    Wow…hard to believe Jim Douglas has lasted in academia as long as he has. Ron DUHSantis could learn a few things about governing from listening to this one. Interesting comments toward the end about male/female split in higher education. Thanks to JHK for the interview.

  2. snagglepuss June 10, 2023 at 10:18 pm #

    A nice interview. Of course a man of his legacy and vintage wasn’t going to go on record on any nefarious doings of Sleepy Joe, limiting his comments to aging and shelf life vigor only. The interesting comment was around Biden being a ‘place holder’, i.e. no other Dem candidate need step forward until Biden steps aside. Seems like that could be a strategy, with Joe B fully in the ‘know’. Keep the preferred candidate ( Michelle Obama?) out of media and opposing political party gunsights until the time arrives to pull back the curtain (?). Hey Jim – any chance of getting Andres Duany back to talk about the disintegration of major American cities? The Walmart exits, etc and what kind of smoking pile of dubris will be left behind? It’s a whole new aspect of the Long Emergency.

  3. Jefferson June 11, 2023 at 9:13 am #

    The “Russia invaded Ukraine without any reason” comment made me lose what little respect I had for this professor. He seems to be limping along to retirement, despite his edgy stance that universities should be the place for a diversity of thought. Lets hope the communist steam roller doesn’t get him before he can get out of there with his investments. Only tenacious mediocracy can save him now.

    • Freddie June 11, 2023 at 9:13 pm #

      Yo Jefferson!
      Thanks for the heads up!
      I can save myself the time and pass on this interview.
      I’ll go over to “GeoPolitics & Empire”. Maybe Hrvoje has something on tap more worthwhile with Richard Gage.

  4. oldschooloats June 12, 2023 at 12:14 am #

    You had me till bis comments about Russia and Ukraine. That was about as PC as I’d like to C him P

  5. Yirgach June 13, 2023 at 9:44 pm #

    @28:10 in the Podcast
    “It makes me wonder if there’s simply a Chickenshit Virus going around”


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  6. JackStraw June 14, 2023 at 2:31 pm #

    Jim Douglas seems like a nice enough fellow, but he is as naïve as a child.

    His comments on Ukraine were incredibly simplistic and uninformed, and he’s supposedly an educator at a higher institution. Russia bad. Ukraine good. Yeesh.

    He knows nothing of Biden’s crimes, and thinks he’s a “pretty good guy”. Does this guy read any news or does he get it all from Stephen Colbert?

    His final statement of hope for the future is that some savior needs to ride in and save the day. That’s the thinking of a child. There is no savior. It will only be done by either a slow, grinding process of change from the ground up, or by revolt.

  7. Dr. Coyote June 15, 2023 at 9:51 pm #

    I long for the times when Jim Davis’s diplomatic approach could still carry the day. However, I fear that his methods will be of little use in this Fourth Turning. It is as if an idealistic 1920s diplomat turned up in the late 1930s, when “diplomacy by other means” was getting underway in earnest.

    For all that, he still seems to be a genuinely good guy and it was an interesting interview.

    • Dr. Coyote June 15, 2023 at 10:38 pm #

      “Douglas” not “Davis”! Gah, to be able to edit posts. Implausible as it seems in this case, I’ll blame auto-correct/auto-complete.


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