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KunstlerCast 262 — Yakking with John Michael Greer

John Michael Greer is a prolific author of novels and non-fiction books about the collapse of industrial civilization. He has a particularly long view of the human adventure and he is always fun to talk to. In this session, we delve into some questions of how technology behaves and where we are going with it in the years ahead.

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6 Responses to “KunstlerCast 262 — Yakking with John Michael Greer”

  1. Gerard December 23, 2014 at 9:33 am #

    “In my post “The Economics of Emergence Theory” I say, quote: “My regular readers may be wondering precisely what it is I’m talking about when I refer to “Emergence Theory” and it’s applications (esp. to economics). Do I mean what have become known as “Emerging Economies” for instance? The answer is no at least not in the conventional sense whereby “emerging economy” is simply another term for the “apparent” economic growth of a formerly less/un-developed nation or region.” I have been forced to revise this having seen Hans Rosling’s excellent lecture (some of which is reproduced above). I realised that the social, political and economic profile of the”emerging economies” is infact consistent with “emergence theory” and that I had become a victim of my own “imperialist prejudices” (see; “Imperialism, Eugenics and “Social-Engineering””-or “The Overpopulation Myth; Last Refuge of The Social Darwinist”-” Go to: “The Economics of Emergence Theory Revised (an apology)” “Arafel” gkhales.blogspot.co.uk Saturday, 4 January 2014 (includes Hans Rosling YouTube video)

    • Gerard December 23, 2014 at 9:52 am #

      “An ignominious re-tweet is one you don’t read before you twit that makes you look like a tart!”
      So a Hiku is less of a poem than an Ode? If you guys were really “anti-tech” you would be anti-Lockheed Martin’s “Perpetual Motion Machine” anti-matter = fusion reactor NON-SENSE. “It is a dark telescope that illuminates nothing!”

      Also see: “The Philosophy of “The Loss Leader” (re: Nuclear Power, Incineration and Fracking)” “Arafel” gkhales.blogspot.co.uk Tuesday, 19 August 2014.

  2. jphsd December 23, 2014 at 4:18 pm #

    100-300 years for our collapse? Not so sure about that.

    My theory is that the rate of collapse will be proportional to the distance we still have to fall (rather like Newton’s law of cooling). The more complex your systems, the faster they’ll fail (Ugo Bardi). The initial collapse will be fast for precisely the reasons talked about in the podcast.

  3. Karah December 27, 2014 at 11:30 pm #

    “vaporized by drones” JMG

    Made me think of “War of the Worlds” by HG Wells.

    Most poor people don’t know they’re poor until they’re confronted by wealth. So, stay in the back woods and slave shacks and you’ll be happier!

    To covet is a sin.

  4. swhite February 4, 2015 at 10:44 am #

    Just a comment for Mr. Greer. I am one of those who thinks that his postings are very well-written, but a bit long. When I heard his comment about “that’s what it takes” to work through the issues, I thought of college math class. In math class, we were presented with these theorems and such with their nice well-worked-out proofs. What was missing was the struggle that went into getting there; the original problem being addressed, the false starts, things of that nature. I think that while a lot of people might like the end result presented concisely, others understand better when they see all that came before on the path to the final result. That might be why I didn’t do well in math, even though I was a nominal “math major.”

    With that in mind, I looked at some his postings in more detail. With the eye of an editor, I could see a lot that could be cut out if the goal were strictly brevity, but I think that his approach is not to be brief, but to take us along for the ride of working out the issue, in the interest of deeper understanding.

    So now I have started reading them, and I look forward to Wednesdays, just as I look forward to Mondays and the “clusterfuck” report.

  5. aka_ces February 21, 2015 at 4:59 pm #

    I enjoyed the yak and would suggest qualifying the dismissal of twitter, on the principle that every medium has its skillful and not-so-skillful practitioners. On twitter, the aphorist Aaron Haspel is an all-too rare example of the former —


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