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The lost story-line amid the food-fights and boasting contests that the “debates” have turned into is the destruction being wreaked on the two major parties themselves. I don’t see how either the Republicans or Democrats get out of this thing alive. The primary season now upon us is the event horizon that sucks these two purposeless clubs into the bottomless hole of historical bad memories. Both parties have failed so fundamentally to represent or even apprehend the interests of the nation that they are now merely obstacles to any sort of plausible future, two infernal machines blocking the road, shaking themselves to death.

The Republican Party may be closer to outright blowup since the rank and file will never accept Donald Trump as their legitimate candidate, and Trump has nothing but contempt for the rank and file. If Trump manages to win enough primaries and collect a big mass of delegate votes, the July convention in Cleveland will be the site of a mass political suicide. The party brass, including governors, congressmen, senators and their donor cronies will find some device to deprive Trump of his prize, and the Trump groundlings will revolt against that move, and the whole nomination process will be turned over to the courts, and the result will be a broken organization. The Federal Election Commission may then have to appeal to Capital Hill to postpone the general election. The obvious further result will be a constitutional crisis. Political legitimacy is shattered. Enter, some Pentagon general on a white horse.

Parallel events could rock the Democratic side. I expect Hillary to exit the race one way or another before April. She comes off the shelf like a defective product that never should have made it through quality control. Nobody really likes her. Nobody trusts her. Nobody besides Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Huma Abedin believe that it’s her turn to run the country. Factions at the FBI who have had a good look at her old State Department emails want to see her indicted for using the office to gin up global grift for the Clinton Foundation. These FBI personnel may be setting up another constitutional crisis by forcing Attorney General Loretta Lynch either to begin proceedings against Clinton or resign. Rumors about her health (complications from a concussion suffered in a fall ) won’t go away. And finally, of course, Senator Bernie Sanders is embarrassing her badly at the polls.

The Democrats could feasibly end up having to nominate Bernie on a TKO, but in doing so would instantly render themselves a rump party peddling the “socialist” brand — about the worst product-placement imaginable, given our history and national mythos. In theory, the country might benefit from a partial dose of socialism such as single-payer Medicare-for-all — just to bust up the odious matrix of rackets that medicine has become — but mega-bureaucracy on the grand scale is past its sell-by date for an emergent post-centralized world that needs its regions to get more local and autonomous.

The last time the major political parties disintegrated, back in the 1850s, the nation had to go through a bloody convulsion to reconstitute itself. The festering issue of slavery so dominated politics that nothing else is remembered about the dynamics of the period. Today, the festering issue is corruption and racketeering, but none of the candidates uses those precise terms to describe what has happened to us, though Sanders inveighs against the banker class to some effect. Trump gets at it only obliquely by raging against the “incompetence” of the current leadership, but he expresses himself so poorly in half-finished sentences and quasi-thoughts that he seems to embody that same mental incapacity as the people he rails against. Corruption and racketeering go unobserved and unchallenged. Even the amazing effrontery of Ted Cruz failing to report his Goldman Sachs campaign contributions to the FEC (with his wife employed as a managing director of that company!) hardly made an impression on public opinion last week.

Political uncertainty has never been so dangerously high in this country since the election year of 1860. Even the Watergate years pale against today’s sick scene because for all of Richard Nixon’s turpitudes and evasions in the White House, the institutions of democracy elsewhere were sound and worked impressively well. The senate committee steadfastly and systematically uncovered the crimes of Nixon and his cohorts over two years of hearings, and the House judiciary committee chugged efficiently through the preparatory work of impeachment — and then, old Tricky Dick boarded his helicopter to San Clemente with a ragged smile and a wave.

Nobody knows where the shit show of 2016 is leading. The uncertainty around it is helping to sink what remains of the old economy, and one can easily discern a very dangerous set of feedbacks creeping into place.

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755 Responses to “Worse Than 1860”

  1. chipshot January 18, 2016 at 9:25 am #

    Glad to see you’re finally coming around, Jim–recognizing that
    Bernie is not only the best candidate, but a likely winner of the WH.

    I would say single payer doesn’t just theoretically benefit the country, but it will in practice as well.

    • xxzzy999 January 18, 2016 at 9:52 am #

      Single payer sounds good, especially since the existing infrastructure of Medicare and Medicaid would be a great fit to facilitate single payer (see HR 676 bill in Congress).

      Unfortunately, neither the Democrats nor the Republicans will let this happen due to big corporate interests controlling both parties.

      • williamwilliams January 18, 2016 at 9:10 pm #

        Medicare-for-all is reasonable, but there has to be a “fast lane” for those who choose to get faster, more stylish health care, with all the bells and whistles… and who can pay for it themselves. You really don’t want to replicate the Canadian system of one-size-fits-all (with the option to go shopping south of the border).

        FWIW i speak as a practising physician who relocated to New Zealand 15 years ago out of general disgust with America’s sickcare system, which is run (as far as I can tell) for the benefit of insurance companies, Big Pharma, and small numbers of high-end medical specialists.

        • Majella January 24, 2016 at 8:50 pm #

          @Williamwilliams –

          I’m a New Zealander as well – as you’re aware, and for the benefits of other readers- our state-funded medical system, while great, is constantly short of money (for example, no DHB will even schedule you for a hernia repair – you’re on your own) because the rightist Government we currently suffer under is starving it.

          So, while the state system is great for acute & life-threatening health issues, there is still the private medical & medical insurance option available for those who can afford it.

      • Majella January 24, 2016 at 8:41 pm #

        It seems you & JHK are both missing a key point in Sanders’ strategy. He can see the cock-blocking bullshit that the Congress & Senate have become due to vested interests in conflict.

        Sanders is talking about a “political revolution” and if (or when) elected, he will seek to drive that same grass-roots fervour (for which Americans are famous around the world) to give a clear message to those bought-and-paid-for lobbied ‘representatives’ just what is expected of them – and it’s simple enough: put the best interests of the voters before those of the lobbyists.

        I can also see, potentially, a much greater recognition and support for a growing number of candidates for Rep seats at this election – a coat-tail effect that could have a huge impact on the make-up of that ‘august body’. It may yet be that enough-really-is-enough for more people than you can imagine.

    • hmuller January 18, 2016 at 10:05 am #

      What a choice we have this year in the land of the free. There’s the kleptocrat Hillary “Sticky Fingers” Clinton against the unrepentant Bolshevik Sanders. Note to Bernie: the farm is bankrupt, and we ate the seed corn; we can’t give everything to everyone.

      Then there’s Trump who looms over a field of Bohemian Grove approved GOP hand puppets. Unfortunately, he’s proclaimed his support for “security” over “freedom”. So the total surveillance, Orwellian, police state has nothing to fear from his regime. Neither does the perpetual warfare lobby need to worry.

      • Doug January 18, 2016 at 12:10 pm #

        “the unrepentant Bolshevik Sanders”

        Nonsense like that just demonstrates for the world (at least the small world here) how little you know about politics outside the narrow model we have in the US: a single party with two right wings — not to mention how little you know about 20th century history.

        • Helen Highwater January 18, 2016 at 12:36 pm #

          Bernie’s form of socialism has nothing to do with communism. I like this definition of a socialist from the Urban Dictionary – “A human being who believes that the most harmonious state of affairs would be for all to get a fair shot at financial sucess. This belief is not motivated by his own selfishness as a capitalist would have you think, but is in actuality an honorable difference of opinion. In the 1930’s farmers in the mid west were plowing their corn under because it was unprofitable, and at the same time millions across America were starving. Capitalists see this as logical, while socialists find it abhorrent. In short, socialism is about production for use, not profit.
          Everyone calls me a socialist because I think universal health care is more important than Ross Perot having 28 cars.”

          • Beryl of Oyl January 18, 2016 at 2:03 pm #

            A lot of people who aren’t socialists like the idea of government spending being concentrated on the things Americans need but can’t pay for by themselves. People forget that our government takes in and spends unfathomable amount of money every year. When Hillary tells an audience that a plan of Bernie’s won’t work without raising taxes, she’s right, but only if one concedes that every other bit of spending is of absolute necessity and more important to Americans that actually going to the hospital when they need to.
            Anyway, Bernie is running as a Democrat. The way our system is supposed to work is just because someone gets elected who has different ideas doesn’t mean we all must go along. Although that’s how it’s been for quite some time now.

          • hmuller January 18, 2016 at 3:32 pm #

            Oh wake up and smell the coffee, Helen! The destruction of agricultural produce in the 1930’s was a policy of FDR, a Democrat with socialist leanings. But in your mind capitalism is the awful boogeyman. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, all the mass murderers of history were no doubt “capitalists” in your mind.

            The ultimate selfishness is thinking you can use other people’s money to do acts of charity. Use your own!

          • Janos Skorenzy January 18, 2016 at 3:50 pm #

            I’m with you and Helen on this and a lot of other people would be as well but for the actuality. You see Government spending all of our money on other countries, basically using America as their own ATM for the purposes of Corporate graft. Or in some cases, actual obsession with helping people in other countries while America dies. What else can we expect from MARXIST Socialism – which has always been International and about the destruction of nations? That’s the legacy Sanders is part of. We need an American National Socialism that puts America and her traditions and people first.

          • lsjogren January 19, 2016 at 1:17 am #

            Wow, that’s one stupid dictionary. How about “socialism is an economic system that offers every adult immortality and every child a pet unicorn”.

            Socialism is a system in which all economic enterprise is run by the government. The Soviet Union is the most prominent example.

            Socialism is a recipe for universal poverty and genocide. I must not like Bernie Sanders then, right? Au contraire. Because he’s not a genuine socialist. But his target demographic of uneducated youth think socialism is something cool, so he slaps himself with a label that appeals to them

          • Norseni January 19, 2016 at 2:37 am #

            I for one am a member of several Socialist organizations. The US Northern Plains are have many in the form of businesses owned by the customers. Each year these businesses distribute their profits back the their customers based on the volume of the business done that customer during that year.

            One can also think of public services as socialist organizations owned by the tax payers. Roads, police, fire departments, prisons, all fall into this category in most areas of the country.

            We can think of medical care as a public service rather than a socialist enterprise using the definition above then all is well.

          • Layne January 20, 2016 at 3:19 pm #

            When the socialist governments of Eastern Europe fell after the Berlin wall came down, the leaders who had long railed against bourgeois capitalism opened their garage doors to reveal new Mercedes and BMW sedans. The big problem with socialism in any form is that while everyone is equal, some are more equal than others. Spend some time with Menger, Hayek and Von Mises of the Austrian School and you’ll be convinced without doubt–socialism is the Road to Serfdom.

            This time we don’t need more political slogans, we need a wrecking ball, a hydrogen bomb. Trump can do that.

        • hmuller January 18, 2016 at 3:23 pm #

          Funny how no one chided me for calling Hillary a thief. In any case you Doug must be psychic to know how little I know about everything. Either that or very arrogant and presumptuous.

          Cling to your leftist economic paradigms if you like, Doug. A large part of the world has tried and dumped those Marxist principles. Just as it’s now time to dump our current utterly corrupt and lawless system of “crony capitalism” (which in no way is true capitalism). Kunstler himself once said that disagreeing with the laws of capitalism is like disagreeing with the laws of physics. You may hate them, but that’s how reality operates.

          • Doug January 18, 2016 at 8:24 pm #

            “Doug must be psychic to know how little I know about everything.”

            I didn’t say “anything” — for all I know, you could be an expert plumber, a very important skill in the coming world, if you are young enough to take advantage of it.

            And it took no psychic ability to assess how little you know about the world’s political spectrum: you demonstrated that beyond doubt with a few words describing Sanders as a Bolshevik.

          • alphie January 19, 2016 at 3:43 pm #

            That analogy doesn’t hold water. The laws of physics are based on scientific principles. Capitalism is not a bedfellow of say the laws of thermodynamics. It is a human construct and a far from perfect one at that

          • Doug January 20, 2016 at 3:15 am #

            ” Kunstler himself once said that disagreeing with the laws of capitalism is like disagreeing with the laws of physics. You may hate them, but that’s how reality operates.”

            If Jim said that he was totally wrong.

            Capitalism, like economics in general, has no laws other than those the practitioners agree to follow.

            Neither is a science; both are cloaks for politics.

            You can change the rules of economics and its subset, capitalism, as you wish, the the laws of thermodynamics are beyond our control.

            = = = = =

            The Laws of Thermodynamics, as summarized by C.P.Snow (zeroeth added posthumously):

            0. This is the Game: you’re here, you are part of the system

            1. You Can’t Win: you can’t get more energy out of the system than you put into it.

            2. You Can’t Break Even: any transfer of energy will result in some waste of energy unless a temperature of absolute zero can be achieved.

            3. You Can’t Get Out of the Game: you cannot achieve absolute zero.

          • Frankiti January 20, 2016 at 5:20 pm #

            the laws of physics are based on scientific principles. Ohh Alphie… that’s a howler.

      • chipshot January 18, 2016 at 12:52 pm #

        Bernie doesn’t plan to give everything to everyone.
        He has clearly stated he plans to raise taxes on the uber-rich
        and create a financial transaction tax on Wall St.

        This money will make single payer and free tuition possible.

        • outsider January 18, 2016 at 1:38 pm #

          chipshot – I you really believe that will be enough money to fund these schemes you’re living in la-la land.

          • Beryl of Oyl January 18, 2016 at 2:06 pm #

            If we were to break the back of the Higher Ed racket, which we need to do, tuition would not be as astronomical as it is now. I don’t know that we need it to be free, but that would only work if we limit it to the best students, and I don’t see that happening in America.

          • chipshot January 18, 2016 at 3:56 pm #

            Maybe. Pretty sure health care will collapse and many people will end up broke if major changes aren’t made, though.

            Don’t know of any system besides single-payer that has a chance of preventing such collapse and widespread insolvency (due to health care expenses). Certainly the ACA won’t, given enough time.

            If you know of a solution, please enlighten me (and save me from la-la land)…

          • wolfbay January 18, 2016 at 4:50 pm #

            As long as we can keep borrowing at the lowest interest rates in recorded history and print money when needed we can keep this fiasco going.We must be exceptional and have God on our side because this has always led to economic disaster in the past. I guess it’s ” different this time”.

        • Frankiti January 18, 2016 at 7:49 pm #

          Who is going to back this initiative? Write the bill? Get to approved, whip the votes? Clueless… the whole lot of Sanders fans.

          • chipshot January 19, 2016 at 7:42 am #

            The large number of voters who will put Bernie in the WH, will also create the political revolution he correctly says we desperately need.

            In other words, public pressure will force congress to write the bill and approve it.

          • Frankiti January 19, 2016 at 4:48 pm #

            Go pack that dorm room bong again and take another deep hit brah.

        • lsjogren January 19, 2016 at 1:31 am #

          Single payer has merit but I think Sanders Islam ting an overly rosy picture of it. Countries with single payer are able to hold down health care cost not primarily by cutting out private profits, which are a small fraction of health care costs. No, they achieve affordability by rationing services and imposing severe wage and price controls on health care providers. The rationing to me is a good argument for single payer. People are going to be a lot more accepting if the government says you can’t have a particular operation because it is too expensive than if a private company tells you that.

          • messianicdruid January 21, 2016 at 3:04 pm #

            It is unfortunate that someone else has to tell us that others can’t afford [ or do not owe for ] our bills.

      • K-Dog January 18, 2016 at 4:25 pm #

        We are seed corn ha! Most of us are weeds and some of us poisonous.

    • orbit7er January 19, 2016 at 8:53 am #

      Finally Kunstler is forced to grant some recognition to Bernie Sanders. One would think with all Kunstler’s inveighing against the banksters and fraud and Bernie’s successful alliance with Ron Paul for the first in history Fed audit of any kind would be sufficient to get his endorsement. Let alone Bernie’s proposals to break up the too-big-to-fail banks, and reinstate a 21st Century Glass-Steagall act.
      As to Bernie’s “socialism”- kneejerk responses against “socialism” are gone like kneejerk responses against gay rights. Occupy Wall Street showed genuine revulsion against Capitalism and Socialism is not an evil term for the Millenials who were not born after the Berlin Wall fell.
      It is not clear that “bureaucracy” or large scale organization will be going away soon so long as the Internet survives. Open source software like Linux, ffpmg and many other projects have shown the feasibility of global distributed organization over the Internet. Not the old come to the office bureaucracy. Social Security successfully covers every American with an overhead cost of less than 1% compared to the bankster’s finagling of 7%. That is because Social Security is comparatively simple. It is the banksters, the skimmers, the for profit healthcare deniers who want things complicated so they can profit off it. Then they hire a huge bureaucracy of claims processors and healthcare deniers to keep from paying for healthcare so their CEOs can gain bonanzas like the $100 Million for the CEO in the Aetna US Healthcare merger years ago.
      And there is more than the old Stalinist State socialist model which is distributed and still based on the market. I.e. cooperatives like the amazingly successful Mondragon cooperative in Spain, the farmers cooperatives in the Midwest, the cooperative bakery in San Francisco, the very successful Cleveland laundering cooperative.
      And Bernie has already proposed promoting these:


      As has been pointed out for 100 years on the Left – we already have “Socialism” in terms of government support for Corporations and plutocrats like the legendary sports stadiums built by taxpayers for plutocratic owners. Who then move their teams from cities at a whim anyway. Or we can have the enormously successful example of the Green Bay Packers owned by the people who live there in a distributed fashion. Who will never move because the people own them not some plutocratic dictator.
      Why should our people’s taxes go to line plutocrats pockets instead of cooperatives of workers?

      • chipshot January 20, 2016 at 8:04 am #

        And why should company profits go to shareholders, most of whom are part of the .1%, instead of the workers who created them (the company profits) ?

        Wouldn’t you love to see President Sanders appoint Richard Wolff as some kind of economic advisor?

    • drdream January 19, 2016 at 10:16 pm #

      Are you being serious or did you really not understand what was written? He didn’t even suggest that Sanders was the best candidate. Read that section of the article again.

      • chipshot January 20, 2016 at 8:08 am #

        Are you being serious or did you really not understand what orbit7er wrote? He didn’t even suggest that JHK suggested that Sanders was the best candidate. Read his post again (or at least the 1st sentence).

        • drdream January 20, 2016 at 10:40 am #

          I am responding to your comment about Kunstler himself, not orbit7er’s comment about Kunstler. You were responding to the former. Maybe you intended to respond to orbit7er but mistakenly named Kunstler. In any case, you demonstrate all too clearly Jim’s ongoing anguish about Americans’ inability to fashion a coherent argument or thought!

    • plf123 January 21, 2016 at 12:06 pm #

      Its kind of hard to reply on an Ipad so I can only reply using someone elses comment since I can not find a fresh reply button: Concerning Trump, he is playing a shrewd game, do not expect him to go deep on any subject and then wind up alienating his followers. He is smart enough in business to make billions, so he at least has a firm grasp of the human psyche unlike any of the other lifelong politicians. Love him or hate him, he is the best candidate out there. As for Bernie, everything will be free and I will be damned if I have to pay for my neighbors kids college education, let alone all of the other giveaways at the middle class expenses… Jim: please make it easier to reply on an ipad by making it easy to locate the damn button.. Whoever set this up for you, please fire them.

  2. maxnigh@gmail.com January 18, 2016 at 9:53 am #

    It is true the mental lack of understanding what words mean , syas “socialism ” is a ad work. But the truth is ,as you well know, we have been a socialit country sicne the founding fathers. One of the first was the cattle industry, to see that we ate beef with a subsidy. Roads, etc were obvious to all as socialism.
    Bernie will be difficult to smear with that old siboleth.

    • TiredOfTheTreadmill January 18, 2016 at 11:30 am #

      The USA has always been about socialism for the wealthy, powerful and well-connected; and dog-eat-dog Capitalism for everyone else.

      • Doug January 18, 2016 at 12:11 pm #



      • Beryl of Oyl January 18, 2016 at 1:34 pm #

        Lately it looks like we are working on a return to the feudal system or something.

      • outsider January 18, 2016 at 1:41 pm #

        It’s not socialism or pure capitalism. It is state capitalism, another word for Fascism.

        • Janos Skorenzy January 18, 2016 at 3:56 pm #

          Exactly what’s need. The Government controls the Corporations and not vice versa as now. We live in a Plutocracy and Fascism is the cure. The political and economic spheres can’t be separated – one must dominate. The Communists want the Political to dominate as well – but they were secretly funded by International Banking. And Capitalism and Communism united to destroy Fascism. Basically, Communism is a conspiracy by the Economic sphere to destroy Traditional Cultures and the Democratic Republics.

          Capitalism and Communism are economic philosophies. Fascism is a Philosophy of Man. And the economy of Fascism is National Socialism, in which Capitalism plays a healthy part.

          • alphie January 19, 2016 at 4:06 pm #

            fascism, capitalism, racism…I don’t trust any of the ‘ism’s. Now I can add another one…janosism

          • Janos Skorenzy January 20, 2016 at 11:55 pm #

            You’re just a little nut. Maybe a big squirrel will do the world a favor and eat you.

          • seawolf77 January 21, 2016 at 10:18 am #

            You’ve been Janosed!

          • alphie January 21, 2016 at 3:47 pm #

            That’s your response Janos? I’m a little nut? I mean if you’re going to go for laughs(albeit at my expense) make it clever. It should have a surprise ending. Here, I’ll give you an example:

            Two cannibals are sitting around a bubbling pot. As one stirs the pot the other says, “ya know, I can’t stand my mother-in-law”. To which the one stirring replies, “so just eat the noodles”

  3. noel bodie January 18, 2016 at 9:56 am #

    True to your prediction a decade ago, here comes our flirtation with fascism in The Donald, making his entrance right on cue. What has happened to the red team is similar to the situation of the second largest share holder of News Corp, ie the Saudi Royals, in order to preserve their status they have unleashed the most toxic elements of their followers and now the monster is out of the bag and turning its sights on its masters. Do you think the gun otters in eastern Oregon vote red or blue?

    • Neon Vincent January 18, 2016 at 10:20 am #

      I guess unleashing a weapon of mass distraction on their supposed best friend is one way the Saudi royal family can direct attention away from their problems. While people, including our host, are gaping at the train wreck of our major political parties, we’re going through a perverse kind of oil shock, as oil fell to 12-year lows, dragging stocks down with it. I thought low oil prices would be good for the U.S. economy. Apparently, not this low, at least according to the investors! We can’t have oil prices this low without a recession somewhere, can we? Add that to the stock market being ready to head back down (DJIA in the 8,000s by the end of 2018, anyone?) and it’s time for another bear market, which will bring a recession here just by making the 1% spend less. That includes our frenemies the Saudis, who realize they just might lose their game of chicken with us, the Russians, and the Iranians.

      One Gulf oil state has already cut one of its projects in the U.S. as Al Jazeera America is shutting down as its oil subsidy dries up. Of course, it didn’t help that too few Americans will watch a station that’s too foreign. BBC America, sure. Al Jazeera? Sorry.

    • seawolf77 January 21, 2016 at 10:21 am #

      Exactly. A rich Hitler. Substitute Germany for America in all his speeches. Substitute Muslim for Jews in all his speeches. Put a funny moustache on him and Sieg Heil away we go.

  4. Greg Knepp January 18, 2016 at 10:04 am #

    “Enter, some Pentagon general on a white horse.”

    I don’t think so – not this time. I see no one on the horizon with the skill and audacity of a Napoleon, Stalin or even a Mussolini. Yes, the chaos will be widespread and the nation ripe for authoritarianism. But the Pentagon manufactures sheep in fancy uniforms. I don’t see much real leadership coming from that source.

    • James Howard Kunstler January 18, 2016 at 10:56 am #

      In fact, Napoleon B came out of nowhere at a time when the political leadership of the Revolution was utterly exhausted. He was a 26-year-old artillery officer brought into Paris to tamp down the mob with “a whiff of grapeshot.” Soon, he demonstrated that he was the only competent organizer on the scene. It’s an amazing story.

      • George January 18, 2016 at 11:32 am #

        The conventions are way too choreographed for anyone that isn’t mainstream to get nominated. Trump will probably not have enough delegates to win a majority on the first vote. Within one or perhaps two votes after that a mainstream candidate, most likely Jeb Bush, will get the nomination. As for the Democrats, it looks as though Sen. Sanders could be the nominee but the party elites and the super PACs will probably succeed in something that will ensure a Hillary coronation.

        A messy revolution before the conventions? Maybe if the global house-of-cards economy substantially collapses before summer. A general on a white horse to take the helm? Not likely. And if that were to happen a North American version of the Peninsula Wars would soon follow.

      • Greg Knepp January 18, 2016 at 11:36 am #

        True, but Napoleon was an outsider – from Corsica – more Italian than French. If you look at the successful revolutionaries, they are mostly outsiders – from Moses (Egyptian) Washington (British military) Marx (German) Hitler (Austrian). The list goes on.

        It seems that it takes an outsider on the inside (an awkward turn of phrase, but indulge me) to have enough of a perspective on a chaotic situation to actualize the potential therein..

        I don’t think the Pentagon will provide such a person.

      • malthuss January 18, 2016 at 11:59 am #

        This is or was a ‘Peak Oil’ site.
        I want to know how long the cheap oil will last.
        And how long will any oil last.


        • bobinboiseid January 18, 2016 at 12:37 pm #

          Seems like gas is cheap, but an increasing amount of folks are too poor to buy and maintain cars, and afford insurance.
          The real economy is in convulsive death throes, and if it ever tries to recover, oil prices will soar, repeating the cycle.
          BIG.GOV stepped into the unfree markets again 2 days ago saying oil companies are too big to fail, so no forced bankruptcies for them.
          The shitstorm is chaos defined, so anyone trying to predicting the future is a fool at this point. It’s all downhill, with lots of bumps and crashes, that is the only certainty.

        • Helen Highwater January 18, 2016 at 12:39 pm #

          I don’t think there is anybody on this planet who can give you an accurate answer to those two questions.

        • outsider January 18, 2016 at 1:48 pm #

          In theory all this cheap oil should lead to deflation. Why is this not happening?

      • seawolf77 January 21, 2016 at 10:23 am #

        That is how the Jesuits would like us to think. No world leader comes out of nowhere. Maybe in Africa, but the CIA and MI6 take care of that.

  5. pequiste January 18, 2016 at 10:15 am #

    “Shit Show” is right Jim.

    The U.S.ofC.A. United States of Corrupt America) needs a political, social, economic and cultural enema commensurate with the current state of affairs. Holy Shit, it is going to be a whopper I’m afraid.

    Parallels with 1860 would be fine if it were just the American War Between The States redux with some outside intervention from the European powers.

    However he European powers are defunct and under Yzlamik invasion themselves; CHina and Japan are in full meltdown mode figuratively and literally, with the North Koreans claiming the H-bomb; Africa has more Ebola on the way and Yzlamik JeeHad too; the Yzlamik world can’t get around the facts of their religion and population overshoot; South America is one bad economic downturn away from asking for those same defunct European powers to come back and recolonize them to provide stability.

    Nope the high colonic is going to be global in the worst sense, 21st Century style. No KY either. GULP.

    • Q. Shtik January 18, 2016 at 11:49 am #

      South America is one bad economic downturn away from… – Peq


      I wonder about the impact of Brazil utterly failing to pull off the Olympics 6 months from now. They are sooooooo fucked up.

      Opinion from Fodase would be welcomed.

      • Beryl of Oyl January 18, 2016 at 1:36 pm #

        There was an article in a recent issue of Vanity Fair, claiming Brazil uses slave labor.

        • pequiste January 18, 2016 at 3:02 pm #

          So do we, right here in the good ol’ USA. And in the Midddle Kingdom, and in the Gulag, and in Yzlamik countries, and sub-Saharran Africa, and in Latin America………….it’s a good long list.

          Brazil just will be under the microscope because of the Olympics and the Carioca’s bathing attire.

          • outsider January 18, 2016 at 4:16 pm #

            I caught part of a report on TV today that talked about mosquitos in Brazil that are carrying disease and making many people sick, and even leading to death. I can see many Olympic athletes deciding that it is not worth their health or life to go. These coming Olympics will be a disaster.

  6. SteveO January 18, 2016 at 10:21 am #

    One thing I’d like to add, whoever is sworn in, be it Trump, Hillary or Bernie, they will have to deal with the collapse of the global banking system and the deflationary period we are entering.

    I’m not sure Sanders is up to the task, but I’m certain that Hillary, Trump and the rest of the Republican clown car aren’t up to it (read they’d handle it about as well as Hover did).

    • Beryl of Oyl January 18, 2016 at 1:41 pm #

      I think that Trump, despite his tendency to mouth off, in practice is smart enough to get some knowledgeable people and listen to them.
      It isn’t that I support Trump so much as it’s that prior to his entry in the race, we were facing a non-choice coin toss. If Donald Trump destroys the system, good.
      I’m grateful to both him and Bernie for stepping up.

      • Janos Skorenzy January 18, 2016 at 4:02 pm #

        Well said. He is far from perfect, but also far from dumb, despite his crudity. Mr Kunstler is underestimating him massively, both in terms of is personal character and his chances of winning. He’s not taking on the Fed – that would get him assassinated. He’s just asking that the Corporations be made to play ball with America. It’s a very moderate message all things considered. It only seems radical because the Elite have pushed America to the edge, making crisis the new normal. Now the real and healthy Normal seems like a crisis. It is – to the really bad people.

    • messianicdruid January 21, 2016 at 3:19 pm #

      Trump is by far best qualified to manage a bankruptcy of central goobermint.

  7. Walter B January 18, 2016 at 10:28 am #

    I fail to understand how anyone with even just enough brainpower to keep their lungs moving in and out can find any solace at all in this latest pathetic sham of what they call a government of the people, by the people, for the people. Every single time another one of these rich assholes steps up to a microphone and lies his ass off about how much he/she really cares about the poor disheveled working idiots, they lap it up like hungry dogs. How’s that Hope and Change working out for you America, eh? You may still cling to a Fool’s Hope, but aside from the change to the worse, the change in your pocket remains all that is left of that boldfaced lie. Which lie will you center yourselves on this time I wonder? How will you deal with the resulting depression that what is sure to happen once again after you are duped into apathy? The corruption is not only too widespread and costly to go on much longer, it is also legal, at least for them and so will never be gotten rid of. I have an idea, perhaps we should take the “In God We Trust” off of the worthless Yellen Dollars and replace it with, “Shut Up and Pay”! Yes, there’s some change for you.

  8. shotho January 18, 2016 at 10:31 am #

    Sometimes I wonder why anyone comments on Mr. K’s Monday blog post, since he says it all so well. It isn’t even like icing on the cake, since the whole cake is already presented. But, I like to give him encouragement.
    Yes, single payer health care might be a better system in the short run, but remember what he said; the massive bureaucracy would render it null and void. But it might be worth it to see the downfall of big insurance, big pharma and big medicine.

    • Pogo January 18, 2016 at 10:41 am #

      I’m sure Jim appreciates your encouragement but would also like a donation via Patreon to support the site. Folks like Charles Hugh Smith have appealed for support from the git go.

      • K-Dog January 18, 2016 at 11:04 am #

        Can we as frequent commenters get a little piece of the action? I would not complain if somebody threw me a bone every month.

        • EvelynV January 18, 2016 at 11:54 am #

          If you’re looking to get boned find another website please.

        • Pogo January 18, 2016 at 12:15 pm #

          You look pretty well fed, you old dog (haha)! You don’t need a bone because ol’ Jim throws us all some red meat every Monday morning. And don’t we love it.

          • K-Dog January 18, 2016 at 4:21 pm #

            Yes, we usually get something juicy we can masticate, this is true.

          • S M Tenneshaw January 18, 2016 at 5:58 pm #

            Hey, no mastication in here, this is a family blog!

      • Helen Highwater January 18, 2016 at 1:50 pm #

        If I could donate with PayPal I would. Why do I have to sign up for a whole different payment system?

        • outsider January 18, 2016 at 2:51 pm #

          Agreed, Helen. I also like donating thru PayPal and have several monthly donations going. I’m not very good at computers, so when I encountered problems in trying to enroll, I gave up.

        • elysianfield January 18, 2016 at 6:54 pm #

          You can use Paypal for the donation…I did this AM.

    • Walter B January 18, 2016 at 10:41 am #

      A good and valid point and while it is certainly not necessary that we do comment, it does remain an honest way to bind ourselves to the sentiment and be a small part of the movement. As the tree falling in the forest with no one to hear it might add, it’s just our way of saying that we hear and we are here and appreciate our host’s labors. Thanks JHK!

    • Beryl of Oyl January 18, 2016 at 1:49 pm #

      I’m no fan of single-payer, but we are still waiting for “comprehensive health care reform”, and what we have right now is hurting more people than it helps, from what I can see. You never, ever reduce spending by paying an intermediary, no matter what lies someone puts out on a chart.
      I heard from TWO people that think Obamacare is great. One never actually got around to buying insurance, and her husband had a very expensive accident, the other thinks it’s great because his partner’s premiums went down. I think he’s in for a rude awakening when the “cadillac tax” kicks in. More and more I hear from people who have no insurance at all now and also face seizure of their tax returns.
      We seem to be working on building big pharma into TBTF status.

    • seawolf77 January 22, 2016 at 1:00 pm #

      Medicine/Healthcare for profit is more of an abomination than flesh for profit.

  9. bukowskisghost January 18, 2016 at 10:32 am #

    Excellent well thought out post Jim!

  10. Dumbedup January 18, 2016 at 10:37 am #

    This might sound contradictory but there are two ways to fix the medical system in this country. One would be to remove all the constraints and make it a true free market system subject to the Clayton and Sherman Acts, and the other is to ditch it and change to a system like our socialist/communist neighbors to the north with a single payor. Neither will happen and we will continue to pay 20% of our GDP for healthcare ranked 11th among developed nations. Even if Bernie is elected President (entirely possible given the current landscape) he won’t be able to get anything done. Republicans (especially Tea Party Republicans) will walk out of his SOU address.

    But I don’t think either party will blow up. They didn’t blow up in the 1850s. They simply changed much like the Republican Party changed in 2008. The process won’t be stopped by the courts because the courts are loath to be seen as part and parcel of a constitutional crisis. What will happen is they will end up with a compromise candidate (most likely Rubio or Bush) and Trump will run as an independent. He might sue but the courts are not going to interfere with something as integral to our political process as the organization of political parties and the nominating rules.

    If Clinton is indicted then Bernie gets the nomination and a moderate Republican wins. But Bernie wins against Trump. And that will be the constitutional crisis because western and southern states will not accept the Presidency of a NE liberal. Some of those states will just resist any further intrusion by the federal government. I foresee some sort of armed conflict in the future – and not just by Bundyites.

    But back to Clinton for a minute. How would it work for a DOJ run by someone handpicked by Obama who clearly supports Clinton to indict her? The FBI cannot force the DOJ to do so and I don’t see it happening unless Ms. Lynch has to resign due to health reasons. If the DOJ won’t indict anyone for crimes arising out of the 2008 almost depression out of fear of a banking crisis why would they indict someone who could easily be the next President? Talk about a crisis. It could happen, but I think it unlikely.

    So here’s what I think will happen. Clinton will run against Rubio or Bush and probably win. Trump runs as a 3rd party (notwithstanding his agreement not to – an agreement the courts will not enforce) and siphons away Republican support and Clinton wins. The FBI investigation and findings are deep-sixed.

    • Pogo January 18, 2016 at 10:51 am #

      Interesting scenario but how about this one: Clinton is tainted meat but wins the party nomination, Bernie runs as independent, Mitt Romney is drafted at the convention and Rubio runs as his VP?

      • snarkmatic9000 January 19, 2016 at 2:47 pm #

        My family settled in Vermont before the F & I war. I’ve known Bernie as Mayor, Congressman, and Senator ever since he beat Gordon Paquette and his machine in 1981. I guarantee to you that Bernie will NOT run as an Independent.

        Why do you think large numbers of VTers, many of whom don’t happen to be left wing, in fact many of whom are anything but, vote for Bernie over and over by huve, even overwhelming, numbers? Because while they may not always agree with him, they know that he means and stands for exactly what he says, with integrity and consistency, and he has stated that he will NOT run if he is not nominated as a Democrat. Believe it.

    • abbybwood January 18, 2016 at 11:57 am #

      Maybe this is the reason Clinton so handily kissed up to Obama in last nights debate?

      Making nice so he and Lynch won’t “do the right thing”?

      But my understanding is that right now there are enough FBI insiders who see the writing on the wall and realize there SHOULD be indictments against Clinton. If there are not then I will not be surprised to see these agents “leaking” information to the NY Times etc.

      On another note, I like the way Iceland rolls:


      • Doug January 18, 2016 at 12:20 pm #

        “. . . FBI insiders who see the writing on the wall and realize there SHOULD be indictments against Clinton.”

        Don’t be too hopeful. U.S. Attorneys decide whom to indict, or not, and they serve at the pleasure of the president.

        • outsider January 18, 2016 at 2:04 pm #

          Doug – In my home state of PA, the Attorney General runs separately from the governor, so it is an independent office that has not been afraid to investigate the executive. The way the Feds do it is a built-in conflict of interest.

          • Doug January 18, 2016 at 2:49 pm #

            You’re right. But . . .

            1. It’s hard to see any state Attorney General (other than, perhaps — by a long stretch of the imagination Schneiderman in NY) bringing charges against $hillary; and

            2. Look at the ungodly mess surrounding Kathleen Kane, as a result of the way these things work in your Commonwealth.

        • Janos Skorenzy January 18, 2016 at 4:05 pm #

          Yes and she’s the hand picked replacement for Holder – the most corrupt Attorney General in American history.

      • Beryl of Oyl January 18, 2016 at 1:52 pm #

        In a commercial prior to the debate, they ran a voice over of Hillary saying something like “we have to fix this economy”, yet lately she keeps saying we should be grateful to Obama for the great economy. I wonder if anyone noticed that discrepancy?

        • pequiste January 18, 2016 at 2:46 pm #

          Great observation Beryl.

          It is classically known as “speaking out of both sides of the mouth” and “speaking with a forked tongue.”

          Hillary Clinton, with her impressive C.V. of gubmint employment, and private fundraising, has certainly mastered this invaluable, indeed essential discursive skill.

          Another political parasite who has employed this communications modality is presidential candidate Sen. Ted Cruz. Problem is he also just got caught and stomped on his own wee-wee in the process.

          Here is a staunch TEA Party candidate, against big bailouts of Wall Street among other “conservative” causes, who “forgot” about his $1.5 million loans from CITI BAnk and his wife’s employer. Oh, and his wife is an appendage of the infamous “Vampire Squid” that is to say Goldman Sachs (Sacks of Gold! man.) What a scumbag!

          Reminds me of a joke about two cannibals going out for lunch…..

    • Heres my prediction. Hilary and the Republican are coronated. Sanders and Trump mount third party campagins. The rest of the contest is mainstream tried and true Rep/Dem duopoly dirty tricks to bar the upstarts.

      A good old fashioned clusterfuck contest electrifies America with a true four way shootout….

    • Helen Highwater January 18, 2016 at 1:52 pm #

      If you think Canada is socialist/communist, you are very confused. But we do have a good health care system.

      • Fan of Entropy January 19, 2016 at 12:30 pm #

        Right you are Helen… or at least better than south of the border, in many respects. My brother and his family live in the US, and it breaks my heart to see how much stress and heartache and sacrifice they undergo every time they have to take one of their kids to the doctor… never mind the regular surgeries that one of their kids has to undergo to correct a bad back.

        The system here is FAR from perfect, but there’s just no way I could stand to navigate the morass of HMO networks, insurance companies, etc. that one must confront for similar care in the US.

        That doesn’t strike me as communist, but that’s just me.

  11. fodase January 18, 2016 at 10:38 am #

    what, is it too hard to understand Trump’s platform?

    enforce the law
    enforce the borders
    enforce fair trade
    simplify tax code

    is that too nuanced?

    pretty simple

    • James Howard Kunstler January 18, 2016 at 11:02 am #

      Those ideas are sound, but Trump is temperamentally incapable of administering them (or running the Executive Branch).

      • FincaInTheMountains January 18, 2016 at 12:00 pm #

        I am very glad to see that the American people generally seem to be of different opinion.

        • snarkmatic9000 January 19, 2016 at 2:57 pm #

          No they aren’t. No legitimate poll puts Trump (originally Drumpf) at over ~30% of the general electorate.

      • bobinboiseid January 18, 2016 at 12:43 pm #

        If Emperor Obama can play Oligarch Puppet, and George Bush the Village Idiot could do it too, then Trump could pull it off without a problem.
        It is said that the best form of government is a benign dictator. Maybe we get lucky and Trump goes that route.

      • Beryl of Oyl January 18, 2016 at 1:54 pm #

        I think Trump the candidate and Trump the executive are different enough. At least I hope so.

    • WannaBleave January 18, 2016 at 11:52 am #

      Trump’s other “nuanced” utterances include making lists of citizens due to their suspect religion, unilaterally acting without congress and generally talking like a tinpot dictator. As much as his passionate fans may wish it… Trump doesn’t stand a chance with most of the US voters.

      • EvelynV January 18, 2016 at 12:47 pm #

        You hurt your argument by distorting what Trump advocates.

        Basically he said let’s slow down taking in the flow of Muslims until we figure out what’s going on.

        More than one European country probably wishes they’d done just that.

        I personally don’t have a great fondness for inviting anyone into our culture who adhere to superstitious beliefs such that there exist deities who rule over our fate. That includes especially christians, mormons, and scientologists. We need more atheists in this country if anything.

        But in any case if there is a particular demographic that has within it your worst enemies, prudence seems to dictate you sift that demographic very carefully before opening your gates to them. You can be sure that during the height of the cold war the US was careful about admitting Russians and East Germans.

        • Dumbedup January 18, 2016 at 9:04 pm #

          Eh … let’s kick out everyone then. Deists, theists and atheists have to learn to live together. Religion, or the lack of it, is not a reason to exclude or include anyone.

          As an aside, I’m happy to read that Pope Francis I has said that all the worlds major religions are the path to the same God. Atrocities have been committed by atheists too.

          • EvelynV January 18, 2016 at 11:30 pm #

            The atrocities committed by whoever are invariably committed against others who are trying to impose their will on them.

            Why do you change the subject? Who brought up kicking anyone out? This is about whether or not to examine wooden horses inside or outside the gates.

          • Cavepainter January 19, 2016 at 2:23 pm #

            Wait a minute: Effort to adhere to principles of scientific process is not a religion. By contrast though, arguing for denial of empirical evidence on basis of belief in mysticism is anti-intellectual and a clear threat to any prospect of survival by even a tiny fraction of today’s population. Admitting any population clinging to ‘faith’ clearly disadvantages our nation — especially those who’s faith advocates childbirth until the woman’s uterus collapses. Let’s drop this ‘diversity’ bullshit that is itself anti-intellectual for refusal to accept that significant and contentious distinctions exist between cultures with some better suited for survival than others.

          • messianicdruid January 21, 2016 at 3:59 pm #

            Here’s an idea, kick me out. I would be glad to go where I’m not marginalized and ignored.

            With fifty “states” we could designate one for ever religion, denomination, or non-religion. Those that consider themselves non-religious would have to further divide themselves into political systems to get away from those they didn’t want to support, or who’s paradigm they considered unworkable.

            People could go live among those who believe [ by-live ] as they do. You would expect that only the belief system designated for that “state” would be voted into public office.

            Then stand back and watch. Almost immediately some will protest that what a person believes doesn’t matter.

    • djc January 18, 2016 at 1:07 pm #


      I agree.

      As I sit here totally snowed in I have time to think about what will happen in the upcoming election and two points keep popping into my thoughts. They are:

      –People who have voted Dem their whole lives have told me they are voting for Trump no matter what. They want a grown-up who doesn’t talk PC BS. Which leads to the second point which is….

      –This feels exactly like 1980 when the “experts” said Reagan was a cowboy and couldn’t win. Guess what, he did win and my life was instantly better.

      I think Trump is going to beat Cruz in Iowa and beat the crap out of Biden or Clinton in the fall.


      • Beryl of Oyl January 18, 2016 at 2:16 pm #

        djc, FWIW, I spoke to a young(ish) woman who lives in an inner-city, high crime neighborhood, a black woman, and she told me she kind of likes Trump.

        • snarkmatic9000 January 19, 2016 at 3:02 pm #

          Just goes to show idiocy and ignorance know no bounds of age, gender, or race. Equal opportunity stupidity!

          • snarkmatic9000 January 19, 2016 at 3:09 pm #

            and proof that Mencken’s booboisie is alive and well.

          • Q. Shtik January 19, 2016 at 6:08 pm #

            Yesterday my wife asked Oksana (not her real name), our Ukrainian cleaning lady, what she thought of Trump.

            Oksana said, “he veddy rich……….and veddy smaht.”

      • outsider January 18, 2016 at 2:19 pm #

        djc – Why is Hillary suddenly defending Obama’s policies? And why did Biden say that he regrets every day not running? Is the fix in for Hillary to drop out for “health” reasons, when the actual reason will be in exchange for the criminal investigation against her disappearing? It is not too late for Biden to jump in and save his establishment party from Bernie.

  12. bobinboiseid January 18, 2016 at 10:49 am #

    It seems like everyone I talk to in Boise, ID would vote for Donald Trump if the election was held today. They all understand that what Obama said to get elected was a pack of lies, and the same would probably hold for Trump.
    Even though Trump is not well spoken, that doesn’t seem to matter, since Obama is very well spoken, but a complete puppet of the criminal elite. We who support Trump seem to do it mainly for the entertainment value, knowing full well that a second American revolution is probably the only thing that will change our country in any meaningful way, and likely for the worse.

    • TiredOfTheTreadmill January 18, 2016 at 11:36 am #

      One thing’s for certain, out of all the other candidates Trump is the one who would step on the accelerator to drive this bus off the cliff at top speed.

      • bobinboiseid January 18, 2016 at 12:45 pm #

        There’s still an accelerator left in the wreckage speeding for the cliff??

        • TiredOfTheTreadmill January 18, 2016 at 1:10 pm #

          Good point. But perhaps he would find a more direct path. Although, I think getting this whole crash rolling is what’s needed for any chance of coming out the other end with some sense of human decency.

          Hillary would play the whole kick the can, status quo game to keep the slide as slow as possible. Bernie has good intentions, but I would argue he’s as caught into the whole ‘endless growth’ and technology will save us fantasies as most ‘Murcans.

          Meanwhile, most of the rest of the Repub clown car would try for a hard right turn leading to a multiple roll over crash spilling people and trash all over hell and back, or direct to an even closer cliff not visible at this point.

          Regardless of how it plays out, interesting times lie dead ahead.

          • bobinboiseid January 18, 2016 at 10:14 pm #

            Long parachutes, …for when the hurtling, flaming, disintegrating, wreckage coined “the new, strong economy” by Obama finally does its Wile E Coyote style drop into the void.

      • Beryl of Oyl January 18, 2016 at 2:17 pm #

        Many realize that, but don’t care, as long as he takes PCism with him.

        • vengeur January 18, 2016 at 2:40 pm #

          Trump is on record for having opposed Bush’s illegal war on Iraq in 2003-2004 , and the TRILLION$ of dollars and millions of lives that are still being wasted by that monumental blunder. So for all the idiotic he’ll ” drive the bus over the cliff comments”, how about looking at what he ACTUALLY says and has done in the past.

          • outsider January 18, 2016 at 3:01 pm #

            If you are afraid of the possibility of World War III, then who is least likely to set it off? Well, WWIII would boil down to the USA v Russia and would go nuclear. Since Trump and President Putin seem admire each other, and since Trump has taken Putin’s positions on Syria and Ukraine, who is the peace candidate today?

      • EvelynV January 18, 2016 at 11:33 pm #

        If that’s where we are going then the sooner the better. Better while you are still able to run then have it be when you can only hobble.

    • EvelynV January 18, 2016 at 12:55 pm #

      Trump may well be a master showman. Presently he is catering to his audience because he knows what it takes to weave his way through the mild to insanely wild crazies of the tea bagger party. I suspect a lot of people will be astonished at how much savvy and moderation begins to exude from him if he reaches the point where his goal becomes to win over the broad electorate.

      I’m a Bernie fan but Trump winning the repub nomination is the least bad of all the other repub possibilities. If for no other reason than it will be the most entertainment. Cruz is a horror.

      • Beryl of Oyl January 18, 2016 at 1:19 pm #

        I’m surprised at the number of people who consider themselves “true conservatives”, who don’t back any ‘establishment’ candidates, but somehow they fall for the Ted Cruz Brilliant Constitutionalist schtick.
        The ‘news’ of the irregularities with that loan from Goldman Sachs was actually a coverup, in that they mention that Heidi Cruz “worked for Goldman Sachs at the time”.
        Yeah, then, since 2005, and now. Goldman Sachs. It seems that 2008 has been forgotten.
        Ted rode into office as the identity politician who didn’t favor amnesty, except that he did, sometimes.

        • outsider January 18, 2016 at 2:41 pm #

          Beryl – The current dustup over Cruz’s eligibility, because he was born in Canada, is beyond delicious. The “birthers,” encouraged by Trump, would not give up on their claim that Obama was born in Kenya and, therefore, not eligible for the presidency. But, what Cruz and Obama had in common at birth was US citizen mothers, and non-citizen fathers. So, if Cruz is Constitutionally eligible, then it would not have mattered a lick if Obama was born in Hawaii or outside of the US. Trump would have been a hypocrite (and a racist) if he had ignored his prior stance and given Cruz a pass. Question: Where are all the “birthers” now? Oh, the irony!!

          • messianicdruid January 21, 2016 at 4:17 pm #

            Cruz should have withdrawn, admitting he was ineligible. This would have exposed Obama, and all his executive orders would have to be trashed.

            But they all know: you do not have to be an American citizen to be the head of a corporation. The organic government of the united states of America has been replaced. The courts take silent notice that anyone claiming constitutional rights is deluded and are under equity [ contract ].

    • Janos Skorenzy January 18, 2016 at 4:14 pm #

      Most people I know have come to the same conclusion: Trump is the last chance for America as we know it – a White Western Nation. He may be a gigantic fraud and the fix may be in. No matter simply because we lose nothing. The others aren’t even promising to preserve America. We can only be the gainers – even if he only tries to do half of what he promised and only gets thru half of that.

      Sun Tzu said, be careful about giving an enemy no chance to escape. Those who have nothing to lose often fight ferociously and attain victory. Our Backs are against the wall now.

      • alphie January 19, 2016 at 5:49 pm #

        yes Janos I can see you fighting ferociously but in more of a Custer’s Last Stand sort of way. This country was briefly overrun by whites. What made you think it was going to stay that way?

        • Janos Skorenzy January 20, 2016 at 7:28 pm #

          Whites founded America the Nation. Without us, it doesn’t exist. If we go, it goes – or becomes something else entirely. You think that will be great, right? You’re wrong. It wont be, not for you.

          • alphie January 20, 2016 at 8:38 pm #

            isn’t that always what happens to empires? They all eventually become ‘something else entirely’. Nations are simply artificial political boundaries, prone to dissolution. Time will tell what America the Nation becomes Janos. I hope, if we’re around, we can both be happy and healthy

          • Janos Skorenzy January 21, 2016 at 12:02 am #

            Now you are conflating nations and empires. The nation is natural and can exist for thousands of years, like Japan, China or ancient Egypt. Empires, being extremely diverse, don’t last too long. Get it? Homogeneity is strength and Diversity is weakness. The exact opposite of what the media and academia preach. Imagine that.

            Another distinction: regime or dynasty vs the nation itself. The nation can survive a regime change. The nation is an organic collective, and is far more than any regime. Read some Japanese or Chinese history: one dynasty falls and another rises, usually within a century or so. In contrast, when America falls, it falls for good. Far too diverse. One of the White areas may continue the real America. The real America is a White Western Christian Culture.

          • alphie January 21, 2016 at 3:30 pm #

            You don’t think the U.S. acts like an empire?

            And as far as the whole homogeneity thing….hitler tried that. It didn’t work.

            Life on earth is one big experiment and there are way too many variables to predict an outcome

            ….don’t worry, be happy

          • messianicdruid January 21, 2016 at 4:24 pm #

            America will survive the United States.

          • alphie January 21, 2016 at 5:26 pm #

            The real America is a White Western Christian Culture-Janos

            question Janos: was Christ white?

  13. K-Dog January 18, 2016 at 10:53 am #

    Two quotes by Gore Vidal:

    “It makes no difference whom you vote for — the two parties are really one party representing four percent of the people.”

    “Half of the American people never read a newspaper. Half never voted for President. One hopes it is the same half.”

    He was obviously high on his four percent but that was then and this is now. He was also wrong about the percentage reading newspapers because less than half now read a newspaper or anything else. Perhaps a third could even find one if asked.

    The precedent for Trump was Ronald Reagan and since the planet maintained its orbit the first time America made a fool of itself it will maintain orbit a second time as well.

    • bobinboiseid January 18, 2016 at 12:50 pm #

      Reading a newspaper made you a fairly informed person long ago. Now it just makes you misinformed and confused, while draining away any energy you might have had to effect change.

      • EvelynV January 18, 2016 at 1:07 pm #

        Amen to that but mostly it leaves you uninformed about things other than who won the game, and which celebrity comes closest to showing her erectile parts st the latest gala.

    • EvelynV January 18, 2016 at 1:03 pm #

      You remark about Gore’s newspaper reading comment is fatuous. If more than half don’t read it then say half don’t read it isn’t false. It’s boneheaded to take the arithmetic he used literally in the first place.

      Agree with you about Reagan however. If ever there was a more dunderheaded person as president I can’t think of who it would be. However you don’t seem to be much into considering the long view. The mess things are in today can probably be traced back to the influence, the changes that set things in motion during his occupation of the WH.

      Carter had solar panels installed, Reagan had them ripped out.

      • Beryl of Oyl January 18, 2016 at 1:21 pm #

        I think Reagan was the one who decided if you made more than ten bucks in interest on your savings account, you owed taxes.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 18, 2016 at 4:16 pm #

      Well obviously Democracy is a scam – one created by the Elite who can move the mob at will. Can we repeal the voting right act and stop dumb Whites from voting too? Only informed and responsible people should be allowed anywhere near the sacred booth.

      • snarkmatic9000 January 19, 2016 at 3:15 pm #

        So that lets you out.
        It’s Skorzeny, btw.

    • Frankiti January 18, 2016 at 8:19 pm #

      Why should people get their news, their information on current events, from a newspaper? What is a newspaper? Do you mean print on paper? Do you mean a paper of record? What if most people get their “news” online? Why would people be silly enough to get the news from mainstream media? How do you know that half or the adult american public, or voting age public, don’t read anything at all on current events?

      Gore let his feline tendencies cloud his thinking. He was all about scratching to get attention, to get a hiss… ’til a threat to plaster him reminded him that a catty sissy can not always hide behind his venomous mouth and his pen.

      • alphie January 19, 2016 at 5:59 pm #

        and you’re doing plenty of hissing right here fran kitty. Incidentally how close did you ever come to winning the presidency? Maybe you can’t stand Al because he’s a shrewd business man. An admirable trait in any self respecting republican but for a democrat taboo

        • Frankiti January 20, 2016 at 5:37 am #

          Alphie, it has been previously established that you’re a mouth breathing f*****g imbecile, but let this serve as a reminder.



          • alphie January 20, 2016 at 10:20 am #

            fran kitty?


          • Frankiti January 20, 2016 at 11:45 am #

            Gore Vidal!

            You f*****g nitwit.
            By all means, just jump in without bothering to follow the subject matter.

          • alphie January 20, 2016 at 2:41 pm #

            Vidal! Vidal!

            I don’t think Vidal! can help you

            I must say though I’m touched that you took the time to count out a * for each missing letter. That’s what I like about you fran kitty- your attention to detail

      • Janos Skorenzy January 21, 2016 at 12:05 am #

        Are you trying to defend the Podheritz Clan? Or “Midge” Decter? Gore Vidal said they didn’t seem to know the difference between Israel and America. Dual citizenship is confused citizenship. But as Joe Sobran said, we’d be thrilled with dual loyalty.

  14. ozone January 18, 2016 at 10:55 am #

    I’m in agreement with shotho, JHK’s cake is baked to perfection.

    This sentence, in particular, echos my opinion with another great visual:

    “Both parties have failed so fundamentally to represent or even apprehend the interests of the nation that they are now merely obstacles to any sort of plausible future, two infernal machines blocking the road, shaking themselves to death.” — JHK

    I have a different prediction on who the candidates will turn out to be. (Place yer bets!) It will be the non-choice of the Hillary or the Jeb!; both already anointed by their masters; which is coronated matters not. Sure, this will tear aside the thin curtain of legitimacy that now veils the political system/machine for those that are paying attention. (Loss of trust and faith; disgruntlement, anyone?) That begs the most important question of our time and one that impacts directly on the shaky future of this country of deluded denialists and cornucopians:

    Who and how many are *really paying attention*?? (I fear the weight of numbers will tell the sad and foregone tale.)

    • Walter B January 18, 2016 at 11:04 am #

      I agree with your prediction my friend. I started saying that last year when Jeb and Hillary were both announced and the only response I get from those whom I share it with is “I hope not”. There it is again, that “hope” word. It is no small coincidence that it rhymes with dope.

    • K-Dog January 18, 2016 at 11:18 am #

      Your thin curtain of legitimacy already lacks legitimacy and it is there only from wishful thinking. We have no plausible future and would be consumed by divine fire and brimstone but so grievous are American sins that nothing will fall from the skies to bring on our ruin. All that will happen is that we will destroy ourselves like a convulsing machine determined to break itself in screeches and groans of ill fitting and cheap parts as they rub together.

      • ozone January 18, 2016 at 12:07 pm #

        “Your thin curtain of legitimacy already lacks legitimacy and it is there only from wishful thinking.”

        Of course. But remember, you and I have been *paying attention*. So I ask again: Who and how many are *really paying attention*??
        (That determines whether any mitigation of current circumstances will occur via a sufficient number of the populace truly understanding what the problems ARE.)

        • K-Dog January 18, 2016 at 4:00 pm #

          There will be no mitigating of current circumstances. We are DOOMED! Corruption on the top and ignorance on the bottom. If you are in the middle looking up or down will be no help.

    • draupnir January 18, 2016 at 11:30 am #

      How vile. We’re in danger of creating a sort of quasi monarchy with 2 royal families trading off the throne every 8 years or so. Its a pity about Elizabeth Warren, I like her myself. I suppose the best we can hope for is a military coup. At least the military would give us something we could put our shoulders to and push.

      • Janos Skorenzy January 18, 2016 at 4:19 pm #

        You’re Ok with her pretending to be an Indian? And why would she if Whites are all privileged? Obviously they’re not if people are trying to pretend they’re not White.

        And yeah, Indians have the right to be offended too. Of course. But so do Whites. The why is the real question and the one the media will not ask.

    • abbybwood January 18, 2016 at 12:01 pm #

      I wonder how many Americans will go to the polls in November and come out scratching their heads saying, “I just don’t understand why Underwood wasn’t on the ballot??”

      • Pogo January 18, 2016 at 12:33 pm #

        Carrie Underwood…yeah, I’d vote for that! Oh, wait…you must mean that fictional character Frank Underwood. Well, aren’t the current crop of characters all somewhat fictional in their own way?

      • K-Dog January 18, 2016 at 4:02 pm #

        I’ll guess the number will be in the thousands!

    • bobinboiseid January 18, 2016 at 12:57 pm #

      I predict that whoever the corporate media tells us to vote for will be the next POTUS.

      • Beryl of Oyl January 18, 2016 at 1:29 pm #

        I noticed Andrea Mitchell was working hard to smear Bernie ahead of the last debate. She ran a piece supposedly showing Bernie criticizing Hillary’s husband, when if you’d been able to see Bernie’s entire statement, you’d know that he did nothing of the kind.
        I think that Andrea might prefer Hillary, but the corporate media doesn’t care one way or the other, Jeb is backup for Hillary, and vice versa.

        • bobinboiseid January 18, 2016 at 10:23 pm #

          The lame-stream corporate media pics of Jeb and Hillary make them look good.
          Pics of Trump and Sanders look like they are zombies coming to eat your children, mouths open and aggressive.

        • snarkmatic9000 January 19, 2016 at 3:24 pm #

          She’s married to Alan Greenspan, the ultimate Corporate whore. What did you expect?

  15. Petro January 18, 2016 at 10:56 am #

    A friend who has connections in DC says they’re saying they think that if Sanders win the primary process, the Dems will end up with a brokered convention—at which Biden will be drafted.

    • venuspluto67 January 18, 2016 at 11:22 am #

      Good luck with *that* come Election Day, Democratic Party! 😀

    • EvelynV January 18, 2016 at 1:13 pm #

      Jezzzuss! What’s a connection is DC?

      If you deliver cheese to a pizza parlor in DC is that having a connection is DC.

      I think I have a connection to DC – pretty sure this friend of mind who use to be gov’t still has neighbors that live in DC. He brings up his Washington DC experience all the time whenever he wants to validate his claim that he’s more qualified to embrace the rightness of the various republicans who come up for discussion than I am for opposing them.

      I get real sick and tired of people using the Connection to DC meme.

  16. 99 cent nation January 18, 2016 at 11:04 am #

    This just may be the election that will break the camels back and bring down this house of cards. Then perhaps we can get back to being citizens rather than consumers and possibly even create a real democracy instead of the sham republic for which we stand.

  17. venuspluto67 January 18, 2016 at 11:10 am #

    I really think it’s more accurate to describe Bernie Sanders as a “social democrat”, and he’s a less dogmatic variant of that than many of his western European counterparts. And that’s good. I think the best person for the White House at this perilous juncture in history is someone who gives a rat’s ass about the working and middle classes of this country with the ideological flexibility to deal with the many curve balls the world situation would toss at whoever occupies the office in 2017.

    • snarkmatic9000 January 19, 2016 at 3:38 pm #

      That is correct. Bernie is a social Democrat ala the Scandinavian countries. The former national political columnist Jon Margolis, who has lived in VT in retirement, wrote a column for one of our VT media outlets back in September saying exactly that, and urged Bernie to re-label, but Bernie wouldn’t change what he’s been calling himself for 40 years just for political gain. That’s typical. People who think he’d nationalize the “means of production”, a defining characteristic of socialism, haven’t followed and don’t know Bernie. And anyone who’s actually been to the Scan countries realizes that their system works far better that ours in almost every way. There’s a reason those 4-5 countries have both the highest standard of living, and the highest “indexes of happiness” of any countries in the world.

  18. volodya January 18, 2016 at 11:29 am #

    Joe has a lot going for him. He’s a scream. He lets his tongue hang out. He says what he thinks.

    I haven’t watched a State of the Union speech in decades. But if Joe were Prez, I’d watch. Just to see what comes out. If there was a book titled “The Collected Wit and Wisdom of Joe Biden”, I’d read it. He’d make the White House into comedy central.

    Authentic? Shit, no problem there, Joe’s bozo bona fides are well established. Incontestable in fact. He makes Yogi Berra sound like Socrates.

    Joe doesn’t have to do like Hillary and crank up his twang or go to a bar to throw back a few. Who do YOU want to have a drink with? Joe or The Donald? Or, perish the thought, Hillary?

    Joe’s been saying that he regrets his decision to not run. Well now, is that a hint?

    My wife is an astute judge of character. She says that Hillary wouldn’t piss on you to put out a fire.

    Run Joe Run !!!!

    • volodya January 18, 2016 at 11:30 am #

      this was intended as a reply to Petro.

    • Beryl of Oyl January 18, 2016 at 1:24 pm #

      Donald doesn’t drink.

      • Janos Skorenzy January 18, 2016 at 4:30 pm #

        He also fired someone on Celebrity Apprentice after the guy referred to himself as White Trash. The Don also fought against his neighbors to keep a gigantic American Flag up in an elite Florida neighborhood.

        Have you meditated on the Celestial Jerusalem coming down like a bride? Jack Van Impe said that beryl is one of the chief substances of the city. It’s going to be great, all the silver, beryl, and gold! Just as good as Oz! Trump is the real Giant, but is there is a dirty little man behind the curtain calling the shots? God, I hope not! One of his team said, What’s the point of having nuclear weapons if we don’t use them? That’s straight out of the Pod people lexicon. On the other hand, he talks about peace with Putin. That is not part of the Pod doctrine.

        • snarkmatic9000 January 19, 2016 at 3:42 pm #

          wtf? let me find my DSM.

  19. FincaInTheMountains January 18, 2016 at 11:51 am #

    “I really think it’s more accurate to describe Bernie Sanders as a “social democrat” — venuspluto67

    From the outside view, it is fairer to describe Bernie Sanders as “National Socialist” as in “The National Socialist German Workers’ Party” – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party , because he doesn’t seem to care how many people outside of US will have to die to provide for American Social Paradise.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 18, 2016 at 4:23 pm #

      That’s the job of the President: to look out for his own people. Not try to spread Capitalism and the American Way or International Communism like your heroes did.

      Or would you rather he keep borrowing from China in order to give money to Israel? Foreign Aid is a gigantic and hideous crime against the American People.

      • FincaInTheMountains January 18, 2016 at 7:15 pm #

        “That’s the job of the President”

        He would be doing a poor job and disservice to American people if he gets them into a nuclear war.

        “Foreign Aid is a gigantic and hideous crime against the American People”

        You mean foreign countries aiding the American economy by exchanging their real goods for meaningless green paper? How’s that bad?

        • seawolf77 January 19, 2016 at 3:39 pm #

          There is no such thing as nuclear war. It’s a figment off Bernard Baruch’s imagination. It’s like a wormhole. Terrifying but ultimately imaginary. Who on this planet has seen a nuclear war? Nobody. It is the threat that makes it real.

    • snarkmatic9000 January 19, 2016 at 3:43 pm #


  20. volodya January 18, 2016 at 11:52 am #

    Jim sez, “enter some Pentagon general on a white horse.”

    Much as racists and chauvinists tout the exceptionalism of the white race or the American nation, people are people. People get frustrated with the course of events, including military people.

    But there’s a wide spectrum of possibilities. Many ways to change the arc of history. The Pentagon doesn’t need to do a Third World style shoot-em-up with some greasy Generalissimo on TV proclaiming a new order.

    For example, picture an Admiral inviting a congressional leader to dinner saying, geez, it’s been a long time, come to my place, bring the missus, my wife and I would love to have you. And so, the Admiral and politician get together. After a fine meal and convivial banter, the better-halves go off and the politician and Admiral go to the study.

    And then, in the comfy-cosy confines of the book-lined room, over brandy and cigars, the politician asks the Admiral what’s on his mind, the guess being that something’s afoot.

    And so the Admiral, with carefully chosen words, his tone carefully modulated, expresses “concern” on some issues of national or international import. Calmly, softly, reasonably.

    But, in almost the same breath and, with a slight firmness of manner that conveys to anybody’s social antenna “walk-softly-and-carry-a-big-stick” – a two million man military being a very big stick – the Admiral says that he speaks for the Joint Chiefs. Of course with all due regard for legal and constitutional boundaries. Oh, but of COURSE with ALL due regard.

    Now, the military is supposed to take direction from civilian authority and not the other way around and such an expression of – ahem – “concern” is out of bounds, at least to wide-eyed idealists like us.

    OTOH, as some would say, we have to be practical. So, while the U.S. Constitution is a once-in-a-millenium achievement, to be respected and followed, it is a creation of mere mortals.

    Either way, in this scenario no guns are drawn, nobody detained. Military brass just tells politicians, very politely, to smarten the fuck up. With an unstated “or else” left dangling.

    Could it happen? I wouldn’t doubt it already has.

    • malthuss January 18, 2016 at 12:01 pm #

      Much as racists and chauvinists tout the exceptionalism of the White [fixed that for you] race or the American nation,

      So if I notice White males invented almost ALL of the inventions of the modern world [like the laptop I am using]

      • volodya January 18, 2016 at 12:27 pm #

        “So if I notice White males invented almost ALL of the inventions of the modern world [like the laptop I am using]

        I didn’t say anything of the sort. Nor do I think that way. Nor did I mean to imply it. If you want to read that into my comment, I can’t stop you. Having said that, you’re misrepresenting what I wrote.

        Now that you brought it up, it’s always instructive to look at the historical record and to look at circumstances as people living in other times might see them. Things weren’t always as they are now.

        Look at the world as it was 4,000 years ago. The brownies in Egypt were building the Pyramids. People in the north were building Stonehenge.

        Four thousand years ago Semites in the Middle East were devising the first alphabetic script.

        So, ask yourself, how would the world look to people way back then? How would the material condition and intellectual achievements of European “White” people look in comparison to the material condition and intellectual achievements of non Europeans and non-Whites?

        Also ask yourself, without the mathematical innovations like the Hindu-Arabic numbering system and the usage of the digit 0 (zero) how would we Whites have come up with lap-tops? Don’t forget, Europeans were futzing around with awkward and unusable Roman numerals. It was Hindu and Arabic mathematicians that gifted us our present-day system.

        There was a lot of other stuff besides. I wouldn’t be too eager to keep score as to what racial group came up with what goodies. We might not like the results.

        • Janos Skorenzy January 18, 2016 at 4:38 pm #

          Well played. Whites don’t exist and thus have no rights. They did a DNA test on one of the Ramses Pharaohs: straight up Northern European of the Celtic variety. Sure, the hoi polloi were all kinds of colors. But the Elite were White in Ancient Egypt. Later it was different. And later they fell. Could these two facts be related?

          The Arabs got zero from the Hindus. Lots of White blood there too until they fell. There was a very, very dark Caucasian Race there before the Whites came in. They had a high Civilization, so it does get very complicated. The high Dark ones stayed away from the Australoids or low dark ones.

          • malthuss January 19, 2016 at 1:08 am #

            They had a high Civilization, DRAVIDIAN’S?

          • Janos Skorenzy January 19, 2016 at 5:04 am #

            Yes, the Aryans found large cities in the Indus area (now Pakistan) which they conquered without too much trouble. The Aryans were more advanced in warfare, and the natives in most other things, such as Yoga.

            The bloods are all mixed up now, but you can still see now and then very dark people with good Caucasian features. The Aborigines didn’t build those cities, or have those ancient written languages of the South.

            Because of the denigration of all things White, and of course the resentment over colonialism, Hindus are now claiming the Aryan invasion never happened – and extreme view disproven by much evidence. Yet they are right to claim their pre-Aryan traditions. Jainism existed long before the Vedic religion entered India. Krishna was very dark skinned, although apparently he was integrated into the Vedic system. As the Aryans spread, the physical invasion petered out but the Culture kept going, mixing with the old.

    • abbybwood January 18, 2016 at 12:07 pm #

      I noticed during Obama’s SOTU address when the camera panned to the Joint Chiefs they didn’t look too pleased:


      • volodya January 18, 2016 at 12:33 pm #

        Wasn’t it Mao that said power comes from the barrel of a gun? Maybe the Joint Chiefs were reminding everyone including TV viewers.

  21. IGuest January 18, 2016 at 11:53 am #


    Sorry for OT comment, but just curious about the two books on the table in your Patreon presentation. Couldn’t quite read the titles.

    Thanks and keep up the good work.

    (From a patron)

  22. Doug January 18, 2016 at 12:05 pm #

    Jim, ATL: “In theory, the country might benefit from a partial dose of socialism such as single-payer Medicare-for-all — just to bust up the odious matrix of rackets that medicine has become — but mega-bureaucracy on the grand scale is past its sell-by date for an emergent post-centralized world that needs its regions to get more local and autonomous.”

    Correct that programs like Medicare for all, etc. are desirable — more than just desirable in my opinion. Also correct that the last thing we need is a massive national bureaucracy. However, a couple of points:

    Bernie isn’t the sort of socialist who is interested in creating that sort of centralized management scheme. In fact he isn’t a socialist at all, really; he would be a moderate social democrat in most of Europe. And he’s every bit as much a supporter of our worldwide militarily-enforced empire as any of the other candidates — the killer corps who make the F-35 think he’s a fine old guy.

    Anyway, just as it seems quite likely that the Repugs will find some way to head Trump off at the convention, it’s hard to believe that the Democratic Leadership Committee-types won’t be doing their very best to derail Bernie. And don’t underestimate the Dems’ ability to overlook $hillary’s crimes and corruption (I can never decide whether she should be tried first in Federal court here or for war crimes at the Hague). Bernie will do well in Iowa and New Hampshire, but take a look at the Super Tuesday states. Clinton will almost certainly be massively dominant.

    Is it worse than 1860? Oh, yeah, probably. But the very idea of nation states the size of ours, in the coming descent, is just ridiculous. So, maybe we shouldn’t mourn the inevitable demise too much — ugly as it’s likely to be.

    • Pogo January 18, 2016 at 12:52 pm #

      You may be right about nation-states of our size not surviving. Perhaps the USA will finally fracture into “The Nine Nations of North America” as described by Joel Garreau back in 1981. Texans are already leaning in the direction of Mexamerica.

      • russ January 18, 2016 at 2:21 pm #

        Definitely agree. Within a generation, I think we’ll see a fracturing of what is now the U.S.A. As inexpensive energy supplies decline, there will be less contact among different regions of the country, and less and less agreement as to what “the nation” stands for.

        Aside from cultural differences there will be other fault lines, too. Especially such as which regions have an abundance of water and which do not. And there may be some segments of the population that finally decide ‘I want something that works and lasts a long time’, as opposed to some technological whiz-bang gadget that becomes obsolete within 6 months and you have to buy another one just to try to keep up. And there may be other segments of the population who decide that they are tired of being despised for the work they do by their Corporate Masters, and decide a DIY approach to their economic needs is far better.

        Very soon, we will come to realize that no so-called “national party’ really represents the will of the people, and we start going our separate ways. This could be the election, or coup, that sets off that process once and for all.

        • Doug January 18, 2016 at 2:30 pm #

          ” This could be the election, or coup, that sets off that process once and for all.”

          It could happen that way, but I expect that it’s more likely that local “pockets of relative enlightenment” will use the considerable power of local governments (where we peons can have an effect) to begin to reshape socioeconomics at home.

          That said, I think the super-national model must and will crumble, or explode, and the approaching election looks like a horror-film step along the path to those results.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 18, 2016 at 4:41 pm #

      Yes, unfortunately Bernie is a mainstream Zionist when it comes to Israel. The payoffs will continue under him. But yes, he is no fanatical Communist but a European style Democrat. But just as they can’t say no Muslims, Bernie can’t say no our minorities. He’s no National Socialist in the Gompers, Debbs, Jack London tradition.

      • snarkmatic9000 January 19, 2016 at 4:00 pm #

        Bernie idolizes Eugene Debs (one b) and has said as much on numerous occasions.

        Support of Israel is a blind spot, as is support of the F-35s coming to the VT Air Guard in 2018, and certain gun votes, but it goes to show he’s no fool, politically or otherwise.

      • seawolf77 January 21, 2016 at 10:28 am #

        America will not elect a Jew president.

  23. FincaInTheMountains January 18, 2016 at 12:09 pm #

    The only man in the race so far who had the guts to tell the American workers that they’re consuming too much, was Trump. And amazingly enough, he didn’t seem to pay for that statement with his ratings.

    Just for that sole fact, he’s the most qualified person to be the President of the United States.

    And he’s absolutely right, one of biggest problem of the world today is that America will absolutely have to lower its consumption at the very least by 30%, or there will never again be stability in the world.

    • seawolf77 January 19, 2016 at 3:40 pm #

      Good point.

    • snarkmatic9000 January 19, 2016 at 4:01 pm #

      even a clock is right twice a day.

      • snarkmatic9000 January 19, 2016 at 5:35 pm #

        broken clock.

        • seawolf77 January 21, 2016 at 10:29 am #

          Got that right.

  24. malthuss January 18, 2016 at 12:15 pm #

    I wonder how the Dow etc will behave this week?
    Anyone else as curious about the collapse?

    • FincaInTheMountains January 18, 2016 at 12:17 pm #

      What collapse?

      • malthuss January 18, 2016 at 3:19 pm #

        The last 2 weeks of stock indexes, yes?

        • FincaInTheMountains January 18, 2016 at 4:51 pm #

          Ah, you mean the planned for many years FED deflationary attack, yes?

  25. FincaInTheMountains January 18, 2016 at 12:17 pm #

    “I suppose the best we can hope for is a military coup.” — draupnir

    There are two Nations in the world that could never have military brass on the very top – Russia and the United States, its just not in the character.

    But you could definitely have your own Caliph (or Caliphess)

    • Greg Knepp January 18, 2016 at 1:53 pm #

      I agree; the militaries of these two countries are so professionalized and insular that their leaders have neither the experience nor the stomach for ruling a disorganized, collapsing civilian populace. They simply wouldn’t know where to start. Professional military men are naive about real-word goings-on.

      I’d be more concerned about a caliphate of a Christian format.

      • Janos Skorenzy January 18, 2016 at 4:44 pm #

        That’s the old Liberal canard. I grant it could have happened but it never did. America is becoming less evangelical now, with the Churches becoming increasingly liberal and soft on Gays, Gay marriage, miscegenation, etc.

      • Janos Skorenzy January 18, 2016 at 8:03 pm #

        Patton and Macarthur could have become Kings. They are very careful to root out such men now before they rise too high.

    • FincaInTheMountains January 18, 2016 at 4:58 pm #

      I am not talking about the religious, but ideological side of things – The Black Project, The Teutonic Order, The Third Reich, The Wahhabi Caliphate, The Presidency of Hillary Clinton.

      To make it easier on Janos, the biggest mistake historians made was mixing together Fascism and Nazism. Hitler was a Nazi, Mussolini was a Fascist, Hitler killed Jews, Mussolini saved them.

      So, who are you Janos?

      • Janos Skorenzy January 18, 2016 at 8:10 pm #

        Typical Jewish slander. Nazi was a pejorative. The correct name is National Socialism. It’s relationship to Fascism? As a member of a class to the class. National Socialism was a German version of Fascism.


  26. Newton Finn January 18, 2016 at 12:39 pm #

    Mr. Kunstler, who is about my age, still has a lot of interesting and accurate observations to make about the state of American society and how we got here. But none of us aging boomers have answers or even meaningful suggestions about how we might free ourselves from our current quagmire and move forward. That’s as it should be, since we personally won’t be moving anywhere before too long.

    The future belongs to the young, and I have little doubt that they will come up with ideas, alternatives, and possibilities that we who have one foot in the grave are simply unable to see, comprehend, or appreciate. At this point, the younger generation has decided to back the best of the aging boomers as a FIRST STEP toward a revolution of values, which they will then have to use, over their lifetimes, to heal the sick society we have left them.

    I’ve got just enough of that 60s fire still in my belly to share in some of their passion, their desperate desire for a sane and viable world. And I, too, feel the Bern and will stand with them in this election. The Cold War is over, and it’s fitting and proper that those of us who had its propaganda pounded into our heads from birth are fading away.

    As Tennyson put it: “The old order changeth, yielding place to the new.” Time to pass the baton.

    • beantownbill. January 18, 2016 at 1:23 pm #

      I generally agree with you, but I would amend your statement to say that the future belongs to the young-at-heart, not just the young. I am 70, and have my aches and pains, but I still think of myself as young. I still have enough of my energy to plan for the future, and I will turn around to look as a beautiful woman walks by. Yeah, I know I could go tomorrow, but why even think about the inevitable?

    • Doug January 18, 2016 at 2:43 pm #

      “The future belongs to the young, and I have little doubt that they will come up with ideas, alternatives, and possibilities that we who have one foot in the grave are simply unable to see, comprehend, or appreciate.”

      The future does belong to the young, who are obsessed with gadgets, virtual reality, social media and a whole lot of other nonsensical useless and unsustainable crap, and don’t have a clue about the socio-ecological-economic realities we aging boomers have understood since the 60’s and 70’s.

      Somewhat frustrated by the vacuousness of a young student teacher she was supervising, my wife asked him if there was any basis for his understanding of the world, or any belief or ethical system upon which he operated. His answer: “I believe in technology.” And then he left school, as early as allowed, to go party, which is his and his contemporaries normal behavior.

      If civilizational survival depends upon valuable, creative ideas from the empty-headed, politically- and historically-illiterate millennials I know, there’s no fucking hope.

      • basil January 19, 2016 at 10:24 am #

        hey doug-
        I’m right in the middle on this subject. I personally think one of the most ominous futures for humanity would be the collapse of the digital communication system. there are various ways this could happen, and I don’t think I need to go into them here. if a large percentage of the system went down, chaos would ensue. civilization has become far too dependent on intertwined systems of phones and computers. it is not all the responsibility of the millennials, however. I remember a high percentage of my graduating class of ’72 heading for college classes in computer science. boomers essentially created the digital revolution that some of us love, and the rest of us suffer through. I also remember that while many good ideas came from the turmoil of the ’60’s, a lot of weirdness and bad behavior emanated from those times, as well.

        • Doug January 19, 2016 at 3:23 pm #

          All true, basil.

          I’m willing to take part of the responsibility for the vacuousness and gadget-obsession of the youngsters — I built quite a number of the first cellular telephone systems in small cities and rural areas of the US.

          I thought I was simply enabling telephonic communication for people in places where it was otherwise unavailable or inconvenient. I remember how jazzed I was when one of our customers riding the range in western Nebraska was the first to notice an approaching tornado and was able to use his new cellphone to alert the emergency authorities.

          If I’d known what we were enabling, I would have hung it up and gone back to carpentry, or truck farming.

          But, even if some of our generation are responsible for creating the world these clueless youngsters are inheriting . . . these clueless youngsters are still inheriting the world.

          And they are almost all addicted to soma (the Huxley version), as well as utterly useless outside their narrow specialties.

          = = = = =

          “A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.

          “Specialization is for insects.”

          ~Robert A. Heinlein

    • Janos Skorenzy January 18, 2016 at 4:48 pm #

      And the way Bernie bowed his head and let those evil Negresses berate him bodes very ill for America and the Democratic Party. Trump said he would have never given up the mike. That’s the difference. Blacks have no place in America except as followers of their betters. Too much for them to bear? I agree: let’s cut them loose and give them a generous swath of the deep South to rule as their own nation. It will be fun to watch, eh? We both know what will happen.

      • malthuss January 19, 2016 at 11:13 am #

        Dhimmi that he is.

  27. patrickd January 18, 2016 at 12:40 pm #

    I really do not understand how anyone can follow politics. To me it is only a theater show. The politicians all lie, saying what they think the voters want to hear. When they get in office, they do what the criminal elite tell them to do. If they don’t, they get shot. The whole election scene is theater. There will be no change to this country from the political actors. The criminal elite are in charge, scams abound, the military is used in violation of international law daily in scores of countries, our government orders the murders of innocent citizens of foreign countries in order to create chaos to hide the US theft of those resources.

    My opinion is that the US needs to meltdown, be destroyed from outside, or destroy itself with it’s own stupidity and obliviousness. There’s no hope for the US. Greedy criminals are in charge. My hope for the future is that the US will come to naught.

    That’s more a wish than a hope, actually. I’ve lost hope for this country.

    But if you gentlemen have solutions, I’m open to them. For me, I’m heading for the hills to grow my own food. When this circus collapses, nobody’s gonna feed me.

  28. beantownbill. January 18, 2016 at 1:06 pm #

    I’m not without a sense of humor, so I’ll play the what-if election game.

    We have to take into account the nature of the American public. It is inherently pretty conservative. By that I’m not referring to a political philosophy, rather a national character trait. Being conservative in nature means not liking drastic change. Given that, I think the status quo will prevail in some form or other.

    Obama hates the Clintons. Outwardly, being the head of his party, he backs her, but if he had his druthers, would like her to go away. I wonder if he told Biden that he, Joe, would get his chance at the convention, and he would never had had to campaign.

    Hillary will either get indicted, or if not, her enemies will see to it that she gets massive negative publicity to the point that many of her followers will back away. So I think the Dems will run either Bernie or Biden (a Biden- Bernie ticket has a certain ring to it). The one fly in the ointment is when it comes down to it, is a Jewish president or vp electable?

    • elysianfield January 18, 2016 at 7:16 pm #

      ” The one fly in the ointment is when it comes down to it, is a Jewish president or vp electable?”

      To paraphrase Chris Rock…”Goyem, please…!”

  29. volodya January 18, 2016 at 1:07 pm #

    Mr Darling has repeatedly brought up the Baltic Dry index as a measure of where things are at.

    Here’s an article I got from zerohedge on the Baltic Dry. According to this, not much shipping of anything anywhere:


    • FincaInTheMountains January 18, 2016 at 3:42 pm #

      From the horse’s mouth:

      “Thousands of ships are in-transit in the North Atlantic Ocean”


      MarineTraffc AIS data is only shown from terrestrial receivers. Satellite data (mid oceans) is only for subscribers.

      Baltic Dry is screwed – but it doesn’t show the actual tonnage of shipments, just the price of average shipment without adjustment for inflation.

    • wpa_ccc January 18, 2016 at 5:54 pm #

      ZeroHedge is misleading you, Volodya.


  30. shabbaranks January 18, 2016 at 1:15 pm #

    And in other news, oil is so plentiful and cheap in the U.S. that at least one buyer says it would need to be paid to take a certain type of low-quality crude. Oil is so plentiful now that it has achieved a negative price in the US.


  31. dweebus January 18, 2016 at 1:26 pm #

    So, as I have been laid up with a back injury for over a week, I made the mistake of watching th e Sun AM news shows. The panic amongst the establishment is palpable. This should have been Jeb vs. HRC. Now they are all in a kerfuffle. Trump and Cruz are neck and neck in IA. Trump leads in most states. Sanders and HRC are deadlocked in IA and he leads her in NH. A brokered convention on either side is a real possibility.

    BTW, Obama’s SOTU speech channeled McCain’s “the fundamentals of the economy are sound” remark. Yes, a party implosion is a real possibility.

  32. San Jose January 18, 2016 at 1:50 pm #

    I wish California’s Governor Jerry Brown were running for president. He’s getting old, but I feel he truly puts people first and knows how to negotiate between party lines. He doesn’t care for the trappings of status and has so many years of political experience.

    Jen in San Jose

    • malthuss January 18, 2016 at 3:21 pm #

      I know somoeone who in turn knows a very rich man who knows Jerry.
      He says JB is ‘senile’.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 18, 2016 at 4:52 pm #

      People? Which? Moonbeam surrendered California to the Mexican illegals. How can you not know this since you are behind enemy lines? You must be mad – or just a woman.

      Women in Europe have stood up to denounce the Anti-Migrant movement. The Muslims did not and do not rape they scream, even though the Police and Merkel have now admitted that they did and do. It will take time to recondition them I guess. Such people never know what’s going on but only what’s told to them.

  33. Q. Shtik January 18, 2016 at 1:57 pm #

    chipshot – I[f] you really believe that will be enough money to fund these schemes you’re living in la-la land. – Outsider


    Dear Out,

    I think chipshot is wpa-ccc in disguise (using a second handle). I will know for sure if there is ever an occasion where chipshot does some simple arithmetic calculation and can’t for the life of him figure out how many zeros go to the right of the decimal and whether to use the % sign.

  34. Q. Shtik January 18, 2016 at 2:27 pm #

    (a Biden- Bernie ticket has a certain ring to it). The one fly in the ointment is when it comes down to it, is a Jewish president or vp electable? Beantown


    Biden is 73 years old and Bernie is 74. That’s one problem.

    My wife’s sewing club* pal, Gail (she’s regular jewish and her husband is orthodox and a Rutgers Econ professor) scoffs at the idea of Bernie (a Jew) being electable.

    * My wife is involved in so many organizations and exercise classes that I can’t keep track of her.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 18, 2016 at 5:01 pm #

      No wonder your daughter went wrong. You didn’t control your wife! She needs to be at home giving you hell. Oh wait, perhaps you are wise beyond your years.

      I heard one poor guy (bus driver) say that he had been sick at home for a week. His wife said that he should reconsider his upcoming plan to retire. He was laughing about it but what a tragedy. His wife doesn’t want him “underfoot” in his own home.

      • messianicdruid January 21, 2016 at 5:35 pm #

        As they say, “Twice as much husband, half as much money.”

  35. Beryl of Oyl January 18, 2016 at 2:29 pm #

    I don’t think the FBI cares about much of anything except getting their quota of terrorists, even if they have to manufacture some.
    Anyway, Hillary can’t be taken down without damaging Obama. They’re like conjoined twins sharing an organ. The people who wouldn’t mind seeing Hillary go under the wheels again don’t hate her as much as they love him.

  36. Q. Shtik January 18, 2016 at 2:56 pm #

    BTW, Obama’s SOTU speech channeled McCain’s “the fundamentals of the economy are sound” remark. – dweebus


    When did McCain say this? During whose presidential administration?

    • Janos Skorenzy January 18, 2016 at 5:02 pm #

      When he was running for President. He said the economy was strong on the morning of the great collapse.

  37. FincaInTheMountains January 18, 2016 at 3:32 pm #

    “Question: Where are all the “birthers” now?” — outsider

    Under the Hillary’s skirt?

    • outsider January 18, 2016 at 4:48 pm #

      Fincain – I don’t get it plus Hillary never wears a skirt.

      • FincaInTheMountains January 18, 2016 at 5:09 pm #

        Well, it was a literal translation of Russian idiom – to hide under(or behind) ones mummy’s skirt.

        To spell it out in English: I am convinced that behind all attacks on President Obama was sour loser Hillary, and she has a lot of media under her skirt.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 18, 2016 at 5:03 pm #

      You’re a goof, Ivan.

      • FincaInTheMountains January 18, 2016 at 5:10 pm #

        Better than a Nazi.

        • Janos Skorenzy January 18, 2016 at 7:25 pm #

          That’s a cheap shot, but one I’ve come to expect. The National Socialists are being proven right about everything.

  38. FincaInTheMountains January 18, 2016 at 3:33 pm #

    “Anyway, Hillary can’t be taken down without damaging Obama.” — Beryl of Oyl

    It is worse than that. Hillary can’t be taken down without damaging the reputation of the United States.

    • beantownbill. January 18, 2016 at 8:19 pm #

      Uh, the US has a stellar reputation now?

  39. bob January 18, 2016 at 3:59 pm #

    Maybe, it’s too late to exhume Ronald Reagan, the great communicator who told us what we wanted to believe.

    • K-Dog January 18, 2016 at 4:38 pm #

      Seems most have no trouble believing anything they want without intervention by village idiots. Freedom in America means the god given right to be as stupid and clueless as you want to be. Why we need the ‘great communicator’ to further the stupidity we already have in abundance I don’t understand.

    • Doug January 19, 2016 at 11:09 am #

      “Maybe, it’s too late to exhume Ronald Reagan, the great communicator . . .”

      Nah, just find another actor who strongly resembles Ronnie. Anyone can read a script on a teleprompter, as long as the dementia hasn’t progressed too far.

  40. saharasergei January 18, 2016 at 4:39 pm #

    Everything is on the edge of flying apart. Eighteen sixty is the perfect analogy.

  41. Being There January 18, 2016 at 4:47 pm #

    Excellent read today, JHK.

    We may be reaching a point where people really want to see this go over the cliff since there seems to be no redress for a system that has been totally distorted.

    I for one am not happy by any means about this, but what is, is…..what will be will be….

    Great minds can read the writing on the wall…..

    PCR had a similar thread today and even evoked Michael Hudson. You know things are pretty bad when a righty defers to a lefty for some sane analysis.


    Also check out David Stockman’s Contra Corner….

    • FincaInTheMountains January 18, 2016 at 5:42 pm #

      Wasn’t Paul Craig Roberts one of the authors of “Reaganomics “, which was a foundation of today’s American predicament?

      And the whole idea of Reaganomics was to pump up American economy with cheap credit money to increase many times consumer demand and win the Cold War with the USSR.

      The idea was that the war loot would compensate for harmful consequences of Reaganomics. And then came Clintons and Informational Superhighway … oops…

      Why Paul Craig Roberts refuses to come clean?

      • Being There January 18, 2016 at 5:57 pm #

        Why Paul Craig Roberts refuses to come clean?
        Good question I find it frustrating…

        Yes, indeed he was a co-originator of supply-side economics. Here’s what I’m gonna tell you.

        I don’t agree with supply side at all, but I like the honesty of the man in all other aspects and he’s written a book the failures of Laisse faire economics.

        As I’ve just mentioned he read Michael Hudson’s latest book, “Killing the Host- How Financial Parasites and Debt Destroy the Global Economy, ISLET, 2015

        There is nobody out there that is pure as the driven snow, but this guy at least calls out the neos. He was in the govt when they started garnering power and he knows how they operate.

        I read him regularly and he doesn’t have to be perfect….just honest even if he is a righty. I like Celente too.

        Why Paul Craig Roberts refuses to come clean?
        Good question I find it frustrating….but li

      • FincaInTheMountains January 18, 2016 at 6:36 pm #

        I find it hard to believe that Paul Craig Roberts was unaware of the real intent of “Reaganomics” (or “supply-side economics” which is the fancy media term – propaganda) – to win the Cold War and to use the spoils of war to pay down accumulated debts – it was a good gamble, until it all went to shitters with sweet Clinton couple.

        • snarkmatic9000 January 19, 2016 at 4:39 pm #

          As PCR has said, and as the above few posts show, most have little understanding of what his, at the time, economic proposals that have wrongly, loosely and colloquially referred to as supply-side (Arthur Laffer’s bogus concept of elasticity taxable income actually) and never actually implemented as he intended. Reganomics was how the media liked to style SS for simpletons. It’s not at all surprising PCR’d invoke Hudson. The actual and unrealized intent of PCR ’80s policies had little to do with SS as most know, it at all, and were never utilized. Hudson is spot on with his analysis of our sick rentier economic “system”

          • snarkmatic9000 January 19, 2016 at 5:46 pm #

            If I was a bit too obscure, point being that PCR disassociated himself early on from Laffer and his “voodoo” economics, as Bush One correctly called it. Reagan was a misguided (as in most things) true believer.

            Roberts is admirable for calling out Nuland, Kagan, and the rest of the neo gangsters, and his appreciation for Michael Hudson is just further evidence that he’s not as righty as you’d think.

  42. mack January 18, 2016 at 4:52 pm #

    Mr. Kunstler, when you write “the (Republican) rank and file will never accept Donald Trump as their legitimate candidate”, what do you mean exactly by “rank and file”? If you mean those within the party structure who run the party and organize campaigns, you may very well be right, but if you mean those who regularly vote Republican, you could very well be wrong.

    Many of the latter ilk are so annoyed by having their principles constantly belittled by the establishment (political and media), and the oppressive political correctness that requires them to be hypocrites if they wish to keep their jobs, that they back Trump for no other reason than they see him as the only one who will and can stand up to the bullies.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 18, 2016 at 4:55 pm #

      Quite right. Jeb was the Establishment pick. And Jeb said quite openly he planned to win without the base – whom he utterly despises and compares negatively to the Hispanic Invaders.

    • FincaInTheMountains January 18, 2016 at 5:27 pm #

      “Mr. Kunstler, when you write “the (Republican) rank and file will never accept Donald Trump as their legitimate candidate”, what do you mean exactly by “rank and file?” == mack

      I venture to guess that Mr. Kunstler meant Republican Governors, Senators and Representatives.

  43. K-Dog January 18, 2016 at 4:52 pm #

    If the major parties disintegrate that will be an improvement since both are committed to serve affluence and not the needs of the nation. The violent convulsions the country went throug in 1860 were not because our major parties disintigrated. Rather they disintegrated because the violent convulsions were already baked in the cake. To fear violent convulsions because our mutual admiration societies fall flat on their face is standing cause and effect on its head.

    If the parties disintigrated ‘issues’ might actually be discussed for a change. That would be a good thing!

    • Janos Skorenzy January 18, 2016 at 5:05 pm #

      And last time it only cost 600,000 live and the ruin of the South. Maybe the North will get it this time.

      Has any Black ever thanked you for freeing them?

      • Sticks-of-TNT January 18, 2016 at 6:26 pm #

        Maybe the “swath” you give them should be Chicago to Detroit.

        • Florida Power January 18, 2016 at 8:31 pm #

          I say give them Delaware! Does anyone ever think, or care, about Delaware?

          • Janos Skorenzy January 19, 2016 at 5:06 am #

            What about the Delaware Indians? Never mind their blonde hair and blue eyes!

      • alphie January 20, 2016 at 10:34 am #

        free certainly from greedy plantation owners treating them worse than beasts of burden but certainly not free from your prejudicial gaze

  44. ertyqway January 18, 2016 at 5:27 pm #

    Some serious cognitive dissonance from Kunstler here on Trump.

    On one hand, Kunstler says: “the rank and file will never accept Donald Trump as their legitimate candidate.”

    And then he says: ” If Trump manages to win enough primaries and collect a big mass of delegate votes…”

    …which, of course, he looks very likely to do according to poll results. So if “rank and file” Republicans are not supporting Trump and Trump looks set to win a bunch of primaries, that means … the majority of supporters of the Republican party look like they will be voting for a candidate they will never support?


    That’s a bizarre assertion, and the fact that Kunstler makes it is pretty good evidence that he’s not thinking straight on the subject.

    • Doug January 18, 2016 at 8:41 pm #

      ” So if “rank and file” Republicans are not supporting Trump and Trump looks set to win a bunch of primaries, that means … the majority of supporters of the Republican party look like they will be voting for a candidate they will never support?”

      No, you’re confused. Rank and file party members (of any party) aren’t the people enthusiastically cheering, supporting and campaigning for candidates a this stage of the process. Those are the true believers, the passionate, very definitely the fringe.

      Most of the ranks and file are paying scant attention to presidential politics now and, historically, many of them don’t bother until after the conventions, late in the summer.

      Look back at this stage of a presidential campaign in almost any year you like (without an incumbent running), and see how closely the situation at this stage relates, or doesn’t, to the latter days and ultimate outcome of the vote.

  45. PeteAtomic January 18, 2016 at 6:18 pm #

    “Both parties have failed so fundamentally to represent or even apprehend the interests of the nation that they are now merely obstacles to any sort of plausible future, two infernal machines blocking the road, shaking themselves to death.’

    That line was one of the most cogent of the article there.
    I would also add to this sentence ” …under an increasing umbrella of collective entropy & a poly-cascading system collapse of every leading national institution and indicator.”

  46. wpa_ccc January 18, 2016 at 6:21 pm #

    JHK, great work this week.

    “but mega-bureaucracy on the grand scale is past its sell-by date…”

    Actually, Social Security is a mega-bureaucracy that efficiently pays out to 59 million Americans. It sends out 5 million paper checks (and electronically deposits benefit payments for 54 million).

    All in all, this mega-bureaucracy works. In 2015, over 59 million Americans (retired workers, dependents, disabled workers, survivors) received almost $870 billion in Social Security benefits.

    For many Social Security is their only source of income. 22% of married couples and about 47% of unmarried persons rely on Social Security for 90% or more of their income. Social Security is the most successful government program in our nation’s history.

    Bernie Sanders is the only candidate of either party who is proposing increasing the size of social security payments and will pay for it will three simple words: raise the cap. Right now a billionaire pays the same amount of money into Social Security as someone who makes $118,500 a year. That’s because there is a cap on taxable income that goes into the Social Security system. The rich do not pay their fair share.


    • wpa_ccc January 18, 2016 at 6:28 pm #

      Also, support JHK by donating through his patreon page:


    • Florida Power January 18, 2016 at 8:25 pm #

      Robotize the bureaucracy.

      OK now tell me as my ex-HHS sister (retired at 55) would say, federal salaries are just a drop in the bucket…

      True, perhaps, but regardless, are these drones sacred? If so, then to be fair Bernie should get out in front and declare protection for all the information-pushers who will, if trends persist, like long-distance telephone operators soon be automated out of a job. Oopsie. From Payer to Taker.

      I recently paid my quarterly and actually interacted with a human being at the IRS. Frankly, there was no point to it. She could have been an ATM.

      • Janos Skorenzy January 19, 2016 at 12:27 am #

        Yes, in The Day the Earth Stood Still, the Galaxy is ruled by a Race of Robots. Machines must rule us since we cannot rule ourselves. There are already cars that wont let alcoholics drive if they are drunk. Why not have a computer monitor people when they eat at home, denying them more calories than they need?

        • messianicdruid January 21, 2016 at 5:46 pm #

          You got a mouse in your pocket?

  47. FincaInTheMountains January 18, 2016 at 6:23 pm #

    Top Obama Official “Demands To Land” At Russian Military Base, Warns Of War

    An absolutely astonishing Ministry of Defense (MoD) “urgent action report” just released in the Kremlin states that less than 24 hours after Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and US Secretary of State John Kerry agreed to meet in Zurich, Switzerland on 20 January, a US military “operated” aircraft carrying one of his top subordinates approached Federation airspace “demanding” immediate permission to land at the highly secretive Chkalovsk Naval Airbase located in the Kaliningrad Oblast.

    According to this report, US Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland had just left the Vilnius International Airport in Lithuania aboard her US military “managed/controlled” aircraft after her meeting with that nations Foreign Minister, Lazar Comanescu, on a planned flight course for Berlin, Germany, when this “bizarre” incident occurred—and which MoD intelligence analysts are describing as a “Rudolf Hess type moment” due to his being Nazi Germany’s second in command only to Adolph Hitler when on 10 May 1941 he flew to Scotland in an attempt to make peace with Britain and avoid World War II—and which appears to have been this top Obama regime officials “twisted intent”.

    Upon Assistant Secretary Nuland’s “Aerospace Forces assisted landing” at Chkalovsk, this report continues, her “further demand” to meet personally with President Putin was denied due to the Foreign Ministry reporting that her “allegiance/devotion” was to former US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and not the Obama regime itself as she had previously been a top aide to President William Clinton known as “Doughnut Dolly”.


    • FincaInTheMountains January 18, 2016 at 6:26 pm #

      Who’s running things in Washington?

  48. fodase January 18, 2016 at 7:07 pm #

    Trump’s other “nuanced” utterances include making lists of citizens due to their suspect religion…

    for christ’s sake wake up, islam proves itself on a daily basis to be the 21st century’s cancer. we can’t eradicate it fast enough.

    how effing blind can you be?

    subtract muslim violence from the world and the world’s basically a peaceful place.

    tell us one thing islam has contributed to humanity’s progress.

    • vengeur January 18, 2016 at 7:22 pm #

      It was “Worse than Hitler” a few weeks ago. Today it’s “Worse than 1860”. Next week it’s going to be “Worse than the bubonic plague”.

      • Frankiti January 18, 2016 at 8:49 pm #

        So long as he’s not worse than Dumbya and the white guilt fueled knee-jerk better known as Obama.

    • snarkmatic9000 January 19, 2016 at 4:53 pm #

      you believe this shite? morile.

  49. Frankiti January 18, 2016 at 7:45 pm #

    Do the same boneheads that actually believe that Sanders has a serious chance of getting elected believe that he has a chance of getting any of his plans passed? If you think we are frozen in gridlock now, wait until ole Bernie comes on board. No politician in congress that is not from an extremely liberal district or state is going to vote in a accordance with Sanders. Look forward to more watered-down bills that the banking execs and medical-care execs will write. I suppose we can look forward to another 4 years of executive decrees that usurp the lawmaking body if he doesn’t get that.

    • wpa_ccc January 18, 2016 at 11:00 pm #

      If Bernie comes in all by his lonesome, then you are right. But if Bernie comes in and has a new set of representatives, then some things can get done, until the midterms and people vote in another set of representatives. Control of Congress and Senate does change hands from time to time, so gridlock is not a feature, it’s a bug.

  50. Frankiti January 18, 2016 at 8:29 pm #

    If the republic does have a convulsion… Texas will finally have its chance to leave. Perhaps a few other states will go with. This is the better outcome. Pretending that this country is united is far too taxing.

    • Florida Power January 19, 2016 at 8:11 am #

      If Bill Holter and those of that camp (derivatives meltdown leading to dollar collapse — cf Economist magazine cover depicting Phoenix rising from the ashes of the dollar wearing a coin of unknown design dated 2018, and sidebar that reads “get ready for a world currency”) secession/disintegration may very well be in the cards. There are intelligent people who believe it is all planned. Our host contends such coordination (conspiracy?) is impossible at the national much less the global level but if he is incorrect in this case the romantic notion of “local” is just that — a romantic notion. Get ready for the Black Helicopters? In any event be careful what you wish for.

    • snarkmatic9000 January 19, 2016 at 4:57 pm #

      Can’t wait for the Second Vermont Republic.
      Got my flag already. Jim gave a great talk for us a couple of years ago.

    • messianicdruid January 21, 2016 at 6:13 pm #

      Baja Oklahoma should leave with Oklahoma.

  51. MisterDarling January 18, 2016 at 8:35 pm #

    Hello CFN,

    Regarding this week’s ‘KunstlerKast’ I have little to say other than he covered the topic more thoroughly than a Vietnam War-Era Arc-light mission – [*] . Since I’m deeply skeptical of anyone getting elected that can or will do anything helpful at this point, I have little else to say about it.

    However, I am intrigued by one of his responses to a comment:

    “In fact, Napoleon B came out of nowhere at a time when the political leadership of the Revolution was utterly exhausted. He was a 26-year-old artillery officer brought into Paris to tamp down the mob with “a whiff of grapeshot.” Soon, he demonstrated that he was the only competent organizer on the scene. It’s an amazing story.”-J H K.

    The salient thing here is an acknowledgement that after the remnants of civilian ‘leadership’ and their ghost-dancing cohorts have had it all out, after the purges and bloodbaths (various) have run their course, there will still be a need for leadership. Someone to galvanize the public into concerted action, manage the crisis and end the chaos.

    Given that this is ‘post-industrial’ 21st Century America & not proto-industrial France at the turn of the 19th, I doubt that the person on the posited ‘white horse’ would be a lowly corporal. [**]

    I find it more likely that a hard-bitten, renegade Lieutenant Colonel [**], quietly seething at being turned down for promotion bid to full-bird Colonel – and the ‘opportunity’ to go be a lobbyist and general’s lackey in the Pentagon. They would see ‘with startling clarity’ what needed to be done, would seize that moment & execute the power grab with head-spinning rapidity. By the time any potential rival comprehended what had happened, all that would be left to decide was how to hop onboard, or face the wrath of the mob.

    Why do I suggest a lieutenant colonel (‘LTC’ or ‘O-6’) especially? Because that’s the last and highest rank in which an officer has direct contact with the rank-and-file soldier/sailor/airman/marine, and the ability to make eye contact, connect and speak with authority to them would be crucial in the first hours of a coup.

    In addition, there are a lot of combat-experienced people stuck at this rank precisely *because* they have experienced combat, and can longer _make_ themselves interested in the finer points of self-abasement & sycophancy which are an essential skillsets for work in the Pentagon – whether they are willing to admit that to themselves or not. Many of them refuse to acknowledge (even in utmost secrecy) that their professional ascent is *over* – simply because they performed one tour too many or a too well downrange – for all the good that does them.

    So let us consider this question: What would being ruled by a military junta be like? There are pros and cons, certainly. And it is scary to contemplate – given everything were raised to believe about America. But by the time a military junta is a real possibility, it won’t be the ‘America’ we thought we knew anyway.

    As we’ve all heard; “Nothing succeeds like success!” By extension nothing Leads like Leadership. But Leadership has been the *last* thing political donor-class has wanted in the office of the president for the past 30 years or more.

    Leadership has in fact “been whipped – like a slave” from one court of public opinion to the next, and so for now and the near future it is that last thing we’ll be allowed to get – until certain parties have sufficiently weakened themselves…

    If you’re interested in quizzing me about the ‘pros and cons’ I mentioned, be my guest.


    — — —

    [*] … where there once there ‘stood’ a VC tunnel-and-bunker complex camouflaged by ‘impenetrable’ triple-canopy rainforest, there is only a 600×1200-meter swathe of mud, splinters and one lone partisan, blood streaming from eyes and ears, dragging a shattered AK-47 by the gun barrel across the devastation.

    [**] … although more than one maximum leader has worn that rank in the past, and it is also understood that this was meant figuratively.

    • Frankiti January 18, 2016 at 8:45 pm #

      Perhaps there are soldiers that believe the military is worth caring about, the military-industrial complex, the war-machine, that is. But as far as the country, the nation, the republic, most people have seen the writing on the wall. It’s simply no longer a place worth caring about, or worth defending. There’s no there there, you know? Although the irony would be a pleasure, I mean, a copy by the military to preserve an off-the-rails imperialistic war machine that has not had a win since its 1/3 trophy on a team effort in WWII. That would be more comical than the election.

      • Frankiti January 18, 2016 at 8:46 pm #


      • MisterDarling January 18, 2016 at 9:24 pm #

        @ Frankiti:

        There’s a sharp divide between the working military, and the ‘military industrial complex’ which does business out of the Pentagon.

        Most of the military budget is diverted into the pockets of a half-dozen war profiteering criminal organizations – with the willing help of corrupt military people at the G-level. The rank and file never see it. The wars we’ve fought over the past fifty years have been primarily for the benefit of these same profiteers and collaborators, not for the sake of any posited ‘Greater Good’. Many military people are painfully aware of that.

        I know – based on previous posts presented by you – that you are aware of the disconnect between what competent members of an organization know needs to be done, and what they’re directed to do. You mentioned the difference between good law enforcement and that other deeply corrupt, shambolic imitation of it. So please don’t confuse the workings of a properly guided military organization with the actions of the compromised, deluded and misguided.


      • Janos Skorenzy January 19, 2016 at 12:30 am #

        The Nation is different than the State. You are conflating a lot of different things here. Perhaps you are not an American in your heart?

        • Frankiti January 19, 2016 at 5:06 pm #

          Who said ‘State’, Goebbels?

          Nobody wants to fight to preserve the “State” we have now… nobody in their right mind that is. Thankfully, we have nuts like Clinton and that latino chump with a sheepskin from Florida State fighting for the status quo.

          And the nation, well we haven’t had that for a while. The only thing that links Americans are the distributor and arterial roads that connect cul-de-sacs to Target. You can perhaps carve a nation(s) from a few places in the US. Texas and portions of the SW, the northern portions of the I-95 corridor, the deep south, and flyover amber fields of Monsanto grain.

          • MisterDarling January 19, 2016 at 9:56 pm #

            @ Frankiti:

            RE | “Nobody wants to fight to preserve the “State” we have now… nobody in their right mind that is.”-f.

            Yes, I fully agree. The scenario where ‘some’ [military] leader rides in “on a white horse” is one of political disintegration.

            The objective at that point in time would [will] be to reestablish order and a working local or regional economy. We can pretty much assume that the “State” as we knew it would be defunct (despite all pretense).


          • Janos Skorenzy January 21, 2016 at 12:15 am #

            Trump is here. The White horse is optional.

    • Sticks-of-TNT January 19, 2016 at 2:07 am #


      Lieutenant Colonels (LTC) are ‘O-5’. I know you know that. The past overs were a special breed. They knew their pensions were guaranteed at that point, but most were hanging on to collect a ‘decent’ paycheck while still on active duty and to maximize years of service for their future pension and often not much else. Many were bitter about their fate of ‘coming up short’ and wore it on their sleeves. A few accepted their fate and enjoyed a few years of no longer having to suck up and ‘play the game’ to get ahead. Maybe a nice duty station somewhere with a good golf course and the weather to go with it or a Professor of Military Science of an R.O.T.C. program at a nice small college as a bone thrown to them by DCS-PERS. ‘Up or out’ is a cold, cold bitch.

      I assume the paper-hanger Adolf would be the “lowly corporal” from your post. That “background” would probably no longer cut it in the era of LinkedIn, Facebook, etc.


      • Sticks-of-TNT January 19, 2016 at 2:45 am #

        Pass (or passed), not past, although the latter might indicate “has been”, which also makes the point. ;>) -Sticks

      • MisterDarling January 19, 2016 at 9:49 pm #

        @ Sticks:

        Thanks for the correction – that was an actual goof on my part. I normally proof better than that. Much Obliged!

        RE | “Many were bitter about their fate of ‘coming up short’ and wore it on their sleeves. A few accepted their fate and enjoyed a few years of no longer having to suck up and ‘play the game’ to get ahead.”-sticks’o’t-n-t.

        The reason that lowly ‘corporals’ were in a position to seize the moment had a lot to do with the level of power-structure disintegration (Deep into Stage Three | Political Collapse).

        Napoleon’s moment came after the old royalist regime was in a shambles and attempting to make a comeback. Herr Hitler’s moment came during Germany’s long bout ‘o’ bedlam in the Weimar period. They were appropriately skilled and very clear about what their critical juncture was and was not.

        In our day and age who would *most likely* be properly placed? LTC’s in career-limbo might easily find themselves as _the_ ranking commanding officer under similarly chaotic conditions, struggling to conduct ‘stability-and-security’ operations, when suddenly it occurs to them that they are looking at the situation from the wrong end – and the rest would then be History.

        — — —

        [*] in fact Mssr. Buonaparte had already been commission as an officer when the fateful “whiff of grapeshot” whacked 1400 Royalist dead-enders. “Little Corporal” was a nickname given to him by his soldiers after a battle on the Italian frontier… But that’s a quibble. On the fated day he was an unknown young outsider who simply knew precisely how to win the day, made others believe in that, and got it done.

    • snarkmatic9000 January 19, 2016 at 5:01 pm #

      As far as a motto goes, I’ve always preferred “nothing succeeds like excess” personally.

  52. MisterDarling January 18, 2016 at 8:57 pm #

    @ Volodya:

    “Mr. Darling has repeatedly brought up the Baltic Dry index as a measure of where things are at.”-v.

    Hello Volodya,

    I choose not to rely solely on the BDI, but on the other well recognized transportation indices as well, like CASS and SCFI;



    The head-fake going on right now in oceanic shipping is to fill up VLCC’s (‘very large crude carriers’) and use them for storage – @ 2M barrels a pop… This is what some industry outsiders attempt to call ‘ships at sea’. The only sea voyaging they’re doing is shuffling from one spot in the anchorage to another, or more bizarrely, getting sent out for delivery and then having the voyage cancelled midway – something no one remembers seeing before.

    It’s not just sea-shipping anymore, its trucking and rail traffic now. Berkshire-Hathaway just invested a chunk in doubling B|N’s rail-track capacity, so that they could compete more favorably with trucking, and now they’re taking a bath on the lack of shale-oil traffic.

    It’s ugly out there.


    • Doug January 18, 2016 at 9:10 pm #

      “The head-fake going on right now in oceanic shipping is to fill up VLCC’s (‘very large crude carriers’) and use them for storage . . .”

      Yup, and, once upon a time, this sort of scheme worked to keep gasoline prices, at least, up.

      Not no mo, bro.

      Even the Torygraph can’t put a good spin on its headlines:

      “FTSE closes at three-year low amid global sell-off sparked by oil plunging below $28 a barrel”

      “The FTSE 100 hit its lowest level since November 2012 as oil price volatility and concerns about demand for metals wreaked havoc on Britain’s benchmark index”


      • MisterDarling January 18, 2016 at 9:30 pm #

        @ Doug:

        I’m sure you’ve seen this as well:


        It’ll be interesting to observe the KSA convulse and the ‘House of Sa’ud’ attempt to deal with shake-out from this one.


        • Doug January 18, 2016 at 9:54 pm #

          From MD’s linked piece:

          “Saudi Arabia’s Tadawul All Share Index collapsed by 7pc to 5,409.35 . . .”

          MD: “It’ll be interesting to observe the KSA convulse and the ‘House of Sa’ud’ attempt to deal with shake-out from this one.”

          Well, considering the real desperation and tension in Riyadh, and the reckless militaristic posture adopted by Salman, I’m not sure we have any meds available to control the likely seizure.

          Can Salman afford to outrage not only Teheran but Moscow, Brussels and, to a significant degree, Washington? Does he care, or is he as crazy as he is, increasingly, appearing to be?

          Not that he isn’t boxed in by even crazier people; the wahhabi wackos are going to have a field day with all those young Saudis used to living on petro-largesse. I mean, do you know that they ACTUALLY RAISED THE PRICE OF GASOLINE, the other day?!?!

          Not likely to be pretty.

  53. Doug January 18, 2016 at 9:02 pm #

    Patreon: Somewhere between patron and peon?

    Well, that would be me — although moving ever-closer to peonage as I age and, further, because I have made myself effectively unemployable (and uncontractable, as well as intractable) as a result of my openly hostile attitudes to Our Great Country and its Magnificent Leaders over the years.

    I may seem like a newbie here, but Jim knows that I have been an ardent follower, evangelist and sometime pen pal since Geography. And although he sometimes strays to the right far enough to annoy me, he has been one of the most important guys on by bookshelves for — holy shit! — more than 20 years, now.

    So, at the moment, my wife is going over the monthly budget to see what we can trim and how much we can commit to keep CFN going. Our contributions will have to be timed for the day(s) of the month when we can be pretty sure there’s some money in the bank. ;^)

    I encourage everyone to do the same. Unapologetically savage he may be, but Kunstler is one of the most interesting and important public intellectuals of our time.

    • Buck Stud January 18, 2016 at 11:05 pm #

      Since this is a paranoid doomer survivalist site of sorts, perhaps JHK should consider providing a P.O. Box in order to receive monthly envelopes from supporting patrons?

      I mean, is a poster like K-Dog, for example, going to pass along personal financial after all of his paranoid ramblings/insinuations the last few years?

      • Doug January 19, 2016 at 12:29 am #

        “. . . paranoid doomer survivalist site . . .”

        Gosh, and I though we were mostly simple, sensible folks discussing the obvious and inevitable, based upon common sense:

        “Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.”

        ~Cactus Ed

        “The tale of St. Matthew Island provides a lesson that needs to be learned not only by reindeer.”

        ~Uncle Doug

        Anyway, it would only really matter for people who don’t even use bank accounts, but . . .

        probably a good idea. Jim?

        His Saratoga Springs PO Box is pretty widely known, but I don’t know if he’s still using it since the move.

        • Janos Skorenzy January 19, 2016 at 12:33 am #

          Ed Abbey is one of my favorites too. As he said, unless we stop the Mexicans, nothing else we do for the environment matters.

          • Doug January 19, 2016 at 10:29 am #


            Yeah, but Ed also wanted to send them back armed and ready to overthrow their repressive government. And I don’t think he had any idea about the extent to which our government was (as it has continued to do) propping up and collaborating with the corrupt Mexican elites.

            World affairs and foreign policy weren’t really among the subjects of Ed’s special interest or knowledge.

            In the case of the Middle Easterners and Northern Africans and Central Asians whose homes we have had major responsibility for destroying or making unlivable, it’s hard to know what he would have thought. In addition to being a brilliant writer and guardian of the truly wild west, and a grouchy irascible rascal, he was also a guy with heart. I like to think he would have seen these migrations as what they are: the inevitable results of the early stages of the resource wars and overpopulation.

            One of my favorite Abbey-related moments: On a work-related trip that required me to drive from Grand Junction to some-damned-place, I decided I needed a break from all the bullshit, so I called in and told everyone I was going walkabout for a few days and headed on down to Arches.

            As I pulled up to the entrance station, I saw that it was staffed by a youngster who couldn’t have been working with NPS for long. It was early in the season, so hardly anyone was around and she was absorbed in a book she was reading.

            I greeted her, to get her attention, and she looked up from the book. She saw me glancing to see what she was reading and held up a copy of Desert Solitaire. With wide eyes and clearly awe-struck, she told me, “They gave me this to read when I got here. It’s absolutely wonderful!”

            I congratulated her on discovering a whole new world of wonderful writing and went to find the most remote campsite I could.

      • K-Dog January 20, 2016 at 12:19 am #

        Actually I am an open book so there is nothing to be paranoid about. Your book is also open and all is seen. If the men in black deign to speak with thee what secrets do you have. The world is electronic and your secrets are none.

    • snarkmatic9000 January 19, 2016 at 5:08 pm #

      Amen, except for the savage part. IMO in reality he’s quite the old school gentleman of letters.

  54. MisterDarling January 18, 2016 at 9:26 pm #

    @ TiredoftheTreadmill;

    This made me laugh:

    “One thing’s for certain, out of all the other candidates Trump is the one who would step on the accelerator to drive this bus off the cliff at top speed.”-Tired of the Treadmill…

    Nicely done! Thank you!

  55. MisterDarling January 18, 2016 at 9:28 pm #

    Q: What do you call 26 fraudulent bankers in prison?


    A: A good start.


    • Doug January 18, 2016 at 9:59 pm #

      Iceland: Getting it mostly right since 2008 — and not taking no crap from banksters.

      I wonder if poor retirees are welcome in Reykjavik. Of course, my only qualification for immigration is that I’ve read some of their best fiction in translation . . .

      • Janos Skorenzy January 19, 2016 at 12:36 am #

        They are letting in 3rd World “refugees” and have been a long time. Slowly their peaceful, advanced society is being transformed into a 3rd World shithole. The torrent of the current Muslim invasion hasn’t reached them as far as I’ve heard. But they are on the slow train to oblivion.

  56. BackRowHeckler January 18, 2016 at 10:25 pm #

    Like I said I’m needing a new Ford Truck and a brass framed Henry Rifle. Question, can Bernie Sanders expropriate some swag from these stinkin Wall Street billionaires and funnel it to me? If he gets into the White House he’ll definitely have the muscle to get into those sonsabitches bank accounts and clean them out! I figger 45 Gs would cover it. If he wins in November I’ll be sending him a letter with my return address on it, you can count on that.


  57. BackRowHeckler January 18, 2016 at 11:08 pm #

    Its a fukkin Free for All!!

    the Big Grab is on, the Big Grab!!!

    I want mines Goddamit!!!

    We’ll storm those ramparts and kick our way in to the place they keep all the gold. we’ll grab what we can for ourselves and pass the rest out to the proles holding torches and pitchforks running up Wall Street. You want free tuition, you got free tuition! Who’s gonna stop us?, I won’t take too much, just 45 Gs worth, that’s all I want.


    • BackRowHeckler January 18, 2016 at 11:12 pm #

      Are you with me Comrades?

      • malthuss January 19, 2016 at 1:05 am #

        Theres a long blog somewhere online about how Bernie was sent money by Nicaraguan commies and went to some meeting.

        The song or chant was ‘Kill the yankees’ or somesuch.

      • wpa_ccc January 19, 2016 at 1:08 am #

        The idea is that everyone gets want they need with the basic necessities being equally and fairly distributed to everyone.

        You don’t need a new pickup. You have one. It is only four years old. You want a new truck. When Bernie is president you will learn the hard way the difference between needing and wanting. It is not a Big Grab. It is a rational redistribution of national resources to those who meet means tests. You will be excluded because of your net worth.

      • snarkmatic9000 January 19, 2016 at 5:11 pm #


        • snarkmatic9000 January 19, 2016 at 5:12 pm #

          BRH that is. one of Mencken’s finest.
          I’m with you wpa.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 19, 2016 at 1:19 am #

      Good article on MLK Day. The author talks about the Connecticut Berkshires and how it was a hotbed on Abolitionism and Union fervor, sacrificing countless young men for the cause. But now, its White children are just treated like generic crackers. One is reminded of how after the WW2 White Americans were informed they were just Nazis waiting to happen.


  58. Pucker January 18, 2016 at 11:16 pm #

    I wonder if all of those Good ‘Ole Boys buying Ford pickup trucks know that one of the biggest financial backers of the Communist Black Lives Matter organization is the Ford Foundation?


    • BackRowHeckler January 18, 2016 at 11:56 pm #

      the Ford Foundation and the Ford Motor Company are two separate entities. All these big foundations with roots in the 19th and early 20th centuries make donations to lefty and radical causes, never to Christian, white or conservative causes.


      • Pucker January 19, 2016 at 12:00 am #

        The Rockefeller Foundation (the Standard Oil Monopoly money) supports the Black Lives Matter Communist organization which espouses the overthrow of the Capitalist system.

        • snarkmatic9000 January 19, 2016 at 5:14 pm #

          Let’s hope they succeed, and soon!

  59. wpa_ccc January 18, 2016 at 11:19 pm #


    Well, that didn’t take as long as I thought it would. It appears to be geographically limited, the result of a gas war, but that it has happened anywhere was unexpected, at least by me.

    “During the last three days, the prices dropped below a buck per gallon, falling as low as 46 cents at Sunrise Marathon. Meanwhile, the Beacon & Bridge gas station was as low as 47 cents, said employees of each station in interviews with CNBC. A nearby Citgo says its prices slumped to 95 cents a gallon.”


    • malthuss January 19, 2016 at 1:05 am #

      when will you run outta gas? please.

      • wpa_ccc January 19, 2016 at 1:10 am #

        That is not a nice thing to say.

  60. budizwiser January 18, 2016 at 11:39 pm #

    Sander’s would never be allowed to live long enough to serve.

    And there may be tricks – yet to be played – that even allow him to get close.

  61. Buck Stud January 18, 2016 at 11:49 pm #

    On this MLK day I can only say that we need more John Ruskin’s:

    ““The rudeness of ignorance which would have been painfully exposed in the treatment of the human form, is still not so great as to prevent the successful rendering of the wayside herbage; and the love of change which becomes morbid and feverish in following the haste of the hunter and the rage of the combatant, is at once soothed and satisfied as it watches the wandering of the tendril, and the budding of the flower. Nor is this all : the new direction of mental interest marks an infinite change in the means and the habits of life. The nations whose chief support was in the chase, whose chief interest was in the battle whose chief pleasure was in the banquet would take small care respecting the shapes of leaves and flowers; and notice little in the forms of the forest trees which sheltered them, except the signs indicative of the wood which would make the toughest lance, the closest roof, or the clearest fire. The affectionate observation of the grace and outward character of vegetation is the sure sign of a more tranquil and gentle existence, –sustained by the gifts, and gladdened by the splendour, of the earth. In that careful distinction of species, and richness of delicate and undisturbed organization, which characterize the Gothic design, there is the history of rural and thoughtful life influenced by habitual tenderness, and devoted to subtle inquiry ; and every discriminating and delicate touch of the chisel, as it rounds the petal or guides the branch, is a prophecy of the development of the entire body of the natural sciences, beginning with that of medicine, of the recovery of literature, and the establishment of the most necessary principles of domestic wisdom and national peace.”

    From “The Nature of the Gothic”

    • BackRowHeckler January 18, 2016 at 11:53 pm #

      didn’t John Ruskin have some sexual problems, the kind not discussed in polite company?

      I think I recall something about that.


  62. Pucker January 19, 2016 at 12:04 am #

    I knew an American engineer in Thailand many years ago who worked for Dick Cheney’s company Halliburton. He had a bionic dick.

    “This course examines current legal and ethical debates surrounding human enhancement technologies. A panel of experts will discuss how emerging technologies such as interactive prosthetics and cyborg advances have changed the person-property continuum. This program will cover a myriad of legal and ethical questions arising from the human genome project, stem cell research, organ printing and nano-technologies. Participants will learn the sides of the current legal debate over a variety of fascinating issues, including: At what point does a human being become a machine? Can human gene sequences be patented and sold by companies? Can insurance companies discriminate based on genetic test results? In this course, lawyers will:”

  63. Janos Skorenzy January 19, 2016 at 5:11 am #


    Even at the highest levels, they demand Affirmative Action. They’re not looking for a hand up – they’re already up – they’re looking for a hand out. Sho’nuff!

  64. Pucker January 19, 2016 at 5:39 am #

    George Soros provides financial support to Ukraine, Hillary Clinton, and the Communist Black Lives Matter organization.

  65. mastman23 January 19, 2016 at 8:09 am #

    Sanders is the result of free bread and games to the masses. Trump is the answer for those who are paying for the free bread and entertainment. This will not end the way we think . Any change to the Oligarchy will be met with troops the same way the Veterans, Coal Miners and others were beat down by our one party right wing rulers in the past.

    The big difference now is the population of free bread and entertainment recipients is creeping into being the majority

    The money is gone everything is borrowed. The Collapse of the system is here now. The election will only show what side gets the pitchforks and ropes and takes to the streets.

    • malthuss January 19, 2016 at 5:15 pm #

      I assume the dems want to prevent the collapse until Obama is
      no longer in the White house, yes?

  66. Q. Shtik January 19, 2016 at 8:34 am #

    The large number of voters who will put Bernie in the WH, will also create the political revolution he correctly says we desperately need.

    In other words, public pressure will force congress to write the bill and approve it. – chipshot


    Chipshot channeling wpa.

  67. goat1001 January 19, 2016 at 8:56 am #

    “Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”
    – George Orwell, 1984

  68. FincaInTheMountains January 19, 2016 at 10:17 am #

    Mechanism of expropriation through financial crisis
    Financial restart algorithm:

    1) Addict the state budgets of the second and third world to the high commodity prices and suddenly expanded financial capabilities – a necessary condition for future unrest;

    2) The global deflationary shock, hitting in national currencies, the national budgets, the welfare of the majority of citizens, but especially the middle class of the capitals;

    3) Use the agents of influence to lobby for privatization of the most valuable economic assets (oil and metals industry, system of national banks) at rock-bottom prices to fill the state failing budgets;

    4) Purchase of assets at rock-bottom prices either directly by transnational corporation or through affiliated agents of influence;

    5) Restoration of normal trading after issue of new or updated global currency. In the presence of agents of influence the world hot war may not be even necessary, enough to organize controlled chaos in the vulnerable “underbelly” and massive liberal propaganda.

    We are now at stage 2.

    • elysianfield January 19, 2016 at 12:32 pm #

      As in the past, many Generals fail for attempting to “fight the last war” within a new paradigm. The World population in 1930, arguably the last major world depression before our current “troubles”, was a bit over 2 Billion, the majority living in rural-like settings, and, being closer to the earth, a bit more able to survive the privations then prevalent.

      In the current circumstance, the earth, roiling with 7+ Billion souls, a small majority of which enjoy the civilized lifestyle available to them in urban life, are an unknown value when the calculation of chaos is to be determined…controlled chaos is hardly a given.

      The world is awash in weapons, conventional and nuclear…the issue would be in doubt. You have stated that “history is not a teacher, but a punisher…”. I could not agree more.

  69. malthuss January 19, 2016 at 11:06 am #

    Dow is up this morning.

    Anyone here follow gold? And – as JHK mentions- the shorting of gold?

    • nsa January 19, 2016 at 2:18 pm #

      Gold to eventually touch support at around $860 (1981 peak). Silver to under $10. How they get there is anyone’s guess…..probably in a manner that disappoints the maximum number of punters, both bull and bear. ETF betting vehicles: GLD and SLV. Long dollar is the same bet as short gold…as their charts are usually mirror image.
      Always use stops and avoid leverage…….this is pure gambling with an insider skim of at least 10%.

      • malthuss January 19, 2016 at 5:13 pm #

        Will the USA dollar collapse?
        JHK thinks so.

        The Dow ‘held’ today but I think collapse of stocks is ‘in the cards’ in 2016.
        And what do you think?

        Also golds shorts to deliverables is now 400? to 1.

        • nsa January 19, 2016 at 5:55 pm #

          History shows that in a post bubble contraction, the senior currency remains perpetually strong…….

  70. Q. Shtik January 19, 2016 at 11:51 am #

    let’s cut them loose and give them a generous swath of the deep South to rule as their own nation. – Janos

    Maybe the “swath” you give them should be Chicago to Detroit – Sticks

    I say give them Delaware! – Florida Power


    How ’bout that old favorite, Madagascar?

    • beantownbill. January 19, 2016 at 2:40 pm #

      No go Q, the Jews wouldn’t like that.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 19, 2016 at 7:25 pm #

      How much per month are you pledging to Jim? You will like Madagascar. There’s a Café in the Capital that is frequented by ex-pats. You can meet Bill there, and also log in for Clusterfuck and to manage your stocks.

  71. volodya January 19, 2016 at 12:04 pm #

    JHK says that a Sanders single payer system might break up the odious matrix of medical rackets. He’s probably right about that. He then says that mega bureaucracy to run the beast wouldn’t work. He’s probably right about that too. He says that we’re in a world that needs its regions to get more autonomous. He’s sure got that right.

    You might look to individual states to run their own state-wide single payer system. But, given that 30 of 50 states have Republican governors and, given that a majority of state legislatures are Republican, state-run single payer systems wouldn’t have a snowball’s chance, at least in these places.

    Or, given the hopelessness of fighting vested interests with their iron-grip, we can just let nature take its course. Most people can see that what amounts to gangster-run, extortionist medical systems are unsustainable in the longer term.

    Resources are limited and the medical racketeers claim an exorbitant share. Put simply, the racketeers use the huge asymmetry in knowledge and influence that’s working in their favor to clean out your bank account. This can’t go on. These arrangements will collapse.

    I would be wary of bureaucrat-run systems. Most of us have experience with their modern iterations, whether it’s a cable provider or a government department. They can’t seem to get things right, but they most often err to your disadvantage and for their own benefit. And getting a correction results in a monumental, bitter and often futile struggle.

    Bureaucracies take on a life of their own, the clerisy that run them stop even pretending to be serving anyone but themselves.

    • beantownbill. January 19, 2016 at 3:16 pm #

      You are absolutely correct about bureaucracies. The solution is not to change over to a single payer system, but to have medical/big pharma play by the rules and play fair.

      Why are drug companies allowed to charge Americans much more for the same pharmaceuticals than those in other countries pay, thus forcing us to subsidize foreigners? Why is it illegal to purchase drugs from Canada and bring them to the US?

      Why isn’t it mandatory for doctors to inform patients in advance of performing a medical procedure, the cost of that treatment, with the total itemized (did you ever demand that and what was the physicians reply and attitude)? Did you ever walk into a car dealership and buy a new car without knowing the price in advance because the dealer wouldn’t tell you? Well, why would you allow this to happen when purchasing a service for your most precious possession – your body?

      The answers are because of corruption. The medical industry is a big donor to political campaigns. Until there’s reform in congress and in the industry, including enforcement of existing regulations, it makes no difference what system is in effect – the medical/patient interaction would still be a mess.

      • BackRowHeckler January 20, 2016 at 12:46 am #

        Hey Bill, I’ve known a few doctors here, including a neighbor. From what I can see they work hard and put in a lot hours, and are on call all times of the day and night. My neighbor seems genuinely concerned about her patients; she’s a cancer Doc and worries about the suffering of the people she treats. One time a few summers ago my young nephew was playing out on the Cul de Sac and fell, driving a piece of glass into his knee. (he was 6) She came right out, removed the glass, cleaned the wound, and patched him up. Bill, I think there’s some pretty good people in the doctors ranks.


    • Janos Skorenzy January 19, 2016 at 7:29 pm #

      Remember video stores? I rented a defective one and got a refund. But they never took it out of circulation. Maybe the manager couldn’t? Or it was too much trouble to tell the manager? In any case, the various levels of personnel are so many layers of defense for the people really in charge.

  72. FincaInTheMountains January 19, 2016 at 12:28 pm #

    Western elites are deeply divided as defined by perspectives of the financial crisis, and diametrically different purposes of financial and industrial capital in these countries.

    As we know from the history of 1920-30, financial capital prefers “deflationary” scenario out of the crisis, as it was during the Great Depression in the United States. This results in the destruction of industrial capital and finance capital buying up large companies.

    At the same time, in Germany industrial capital dictated inflationary scenario, when for the sake of the national capital in the hands of large-scale industry local financial capital was sacrificed.

    Scores between the capitalists of the 20th century were settled within national boundaries. The fundamental difference of the global financial crisis of the 21st century is in its global nature. Today, the industrial capital has moved mainly to developing countries and financial is based in the West. But the West can not do without a national industrial capital, especially high-tech, on which military might is based on.

    It seems that a repetition of the scenario of managed “Great Depression” on a global scale ensures world domination by the West. But, firstly, the industrial capital of the “second world” in contrast to the United States during the “Great Depression” is protected by national states of China, India, Iran, and Russia. And these states at any time can use the experience of Soviet Russia, nationalizing Western capitals, while being under the protection of Russian weapons. And secondly, the global depression in the same way is detrimental to the industrial capital of the West, and thus for the nation states.

    Therefore, the industrial capital of the western countries and national bureaucracy unanimously opposed attempts of investment bankers to run a deflationary scenario. This is the first and main line of division in the western elites – between nationally oriented elite and cosmopolitan finance capital, ready to relocate from New York and London, even to Singapore, Hong Kong, or even Moscow, if only the local government could strictly rein in local population.

    The inflationary scenario out of the crisis is not satisfactory, in particular, to the financial elite that convince national bureaucracy to prevent the dismantling of the neocolonial financial system that provides the advantages of the West over the East. A paradox and a terrible headache for the whole of the western elites – both main scenarios out of the crisis mean the collapse of nation states, providing military power and hegemony of Western elites.

    Therefore, the Western elites have invented a third, more complex scenario “Euro-Atlantic fortress”, meaning the launch of a moderately inflationary scenario for the salvation of national economies of “Euro-Atlantic area” and at the same time – deflation, depression scenario for the rest of the world.

  73. Q. Shtik January 19, 2016 at 2:21 pm #

    Re Jim’s Patreon Page:

    The clever hat-in-hand appeal for donations (and my initial reaction to it) was reminiscent of a scene in the movie About Schmidt. Jack Nicholson’s character is watching TV when an ad appealing for donations to care for Tanzanian orphans begins to engross him. He slowly, hesitatingly, begins to reach for the phone… then pulls back… then finally picks up the phone and makes the call. I have not yet ‘made the call’ so to speak.

    I truly DO give Jim a lot of credit for the incredible discipline, not to mention, talent, of cranking out these wonderful columns every Monday for more than 10 years. I am reminded of the similarly prodigious discipline and writings of Will Rogers, both weekly and daily over many years.


    Before the word ‘blog’ was invented, I once fancied I had something worth saying about the stock market and began in the summer of 1985 writing a monthly essay titled Shtik’s* Market Timer. Initially it was quite crude – i.e. hand written – since I didn’t know ‘word processing’ from food processing.

    I would run off 40 copies or so and hand them out to market-kindred spirits among co-workers, and send a copy each to the Wall Street Journal and Barron’s. The Barron’s copy one month was, in turn, forwarded by them to a columnist at Forbes and this resulted in a favorite anecdote that I occasionally tell at dinner parties when I am on my third glass of wine and feeling full of myself. Again (see *), anonymity concerns prevent a re-telling here.

    I continued writing these essays for two years so I have at least an inkling of the effort and discipline involved in a journalistic undertaking. Because there is a frustrated artist in me, I began to include small pencil drawings that gave emphasis to the writing.

    I finally had to admit that the data I had kept (and still keep to this day) and incorporated into my own proprietary formula was only marginally better (if that) at making money in the market than throwing darts blindfolded at the stock listings in the WSJ. And so SMT (Shtik’s Market Timer) faded into history. Here for a taste is the first paragraph of the November 1, 1986 issue:

    Crisp and sparkling Saturday morning. From upstairs, cheerful sounds of romping kids and TV cartoons. Aroma of warm muffins and curling coffee vapors. Brilliant shafts of sunlight slanting through Fall’s splendid foliage illuminate the familiar face of Barron’s. All’s well in our world.

    *Actual last name disguised to maintain anonymity

  74. fodase January 19, 2016 at 4:21 pm #

    muslims say rape victims are to blame because they were naked and smelled like perfume


    can it get ANY FUCKING MORE INSANE???

    of course , NO FEMINISTS speak out against this.

    i WONDER WHY???

    on the other hand, this is just what europe and the US needs, more of this insanity, to finally, oh finally, wake people up to the cancer that islam is

    disclaimer – islam is a religion of peace and guns should be confiscated for everyone’s protection

  75. Pucker January 19, 2016 at 6:05 pm #

    Maybe the sponsors of the gun show can get Black Lives Matter to protest the gun show so that the gun dealers can sell more guns?

  76. Pucker January 19, 2016 at 6:08 pm #

    Or arrange to hold the gun show coterminous with a Muslim refugee protest? The guns would be sell’n like hot cakes!

  77. wpa_ccc January 19, 2016 at 7:21 pm #

    “I assume the dems want to prevent the collapse until Obama is
    no longer in the White house, yes?”

    Are you suggesting “collapse” can be micro-managed down to the start and stop date? I don’t think so.

    But, if you are right, this is the best, most hopeful, news I have heard this week (and I’ve had a lot of good news this week).

    Thanks, Malthuss!

  78. shabbaranks January 19, 2016 at 7:47 pm #

    Crude Oil – Electronic (NYMEX) Feb 2016 just traded for less than $28/bb, at $27.92.

    $20 oil is just around the corner. The Obama recession has begun.

  79. BuckFievre January 19, 2016 at 8:09 pm #

    This week’s column is the reason I keep coming back to Clusterfuck Nation. Now, if i just didn’t have to scroll past all these losers desperately hoping just one person will read their pathetic ramblings to merely say, “Thanks, Jim!”.

    • Florida Power January 19, 2016 at 8:24 pm #

      You sir are the winner!
      Now congratulate yourself!
      Well done!!!

  80. BackRowHeckler January 19, 2016 at 8:23 pm #

    “BRH – one of Menken’s finest” — snarkomatic

    One of the boobosie, I presume. Not very sophisticated, naïve, just doesn’t understand the nuances of Socialism, I get it.

    Ah, Menken. I picture him walking the streets of his beloved Baltimore, in say, 1926. Then there’s Booby Bare’s Plaintive tune, c1966, ‘The Streets of Baltimore’. 50 years on, here’s Baltimore, 2016: Dr. Peter Marvit, NIH physician, musician, dancer, and pioneer, decided to move into an all black Baltimore neighborhood in the spring of 2015. Not long after, standing on his front porch, he took three rounds to the head, ending his career as ‘urban pioneer’. What, didn’t hear about it on CNN? Menken might get two blocks if he tried to walk around Baltimore today, just another white maggot.


    • Florida Power January 19, 2016 at 8:28 pm #

      Hey BRH — how’s it hanging in Hartford? Or Bridgeport? How long before Yale just buys New Haven and builds a wall?

      • BackRowHeckler January 19, 2016 at 10:05 pm #

        Not too good here.

        State deep in debt and another tax hike coming.

        Last year our distinguished Gov. decided to give drivers licenses to illegals, “so they could drive to work”. Wait a minute, I thought they weren’t allowed to work here if illegal? No matter. He said it would be just a few thousand, so far its 100,000 and counting. DMV is all fukked up, long lines, lost records, but the Commissioner cannot be fired because he is a Puerto Rican, which, strangely enough, gives him immunity. Anyway, In the urban areas, wicked wrecks, hit and runs, stolen cars, cars smashing into buildings, cars stolen with little kids in the back seat, carjackings (2 days ago a gang of ‘Youts” surrounded a car at a stoplite in Hartford, dragged the driver out, beat him senseless, and took the car) people getting run down (today in Waterbury) cars set on fire, cars rolled over … suddenly Latin American traffic behavior has been moved el Norte and we have to live with it … that is, we eat the sh-t the govt. dishes out and are expected to smile and say it tastes good.

        Otherwise, year off to a slow start. A new minor league baseball stadium in Hartford, supposed to be ready for April 1, 3 months behind schedule, because, to quote the General Contractor, “Everything that can be stolen, has been stolen”. Somebody gunned down in Norwich this morning, stabbing in Meriden, two white kids beat down by 8 ‘Youts in Norwalk after a basketball game, hardly enough to even mention.


        • BackRowHeckler January 19, 2016 at 10:09 pm #

          Oh yea I almost forgot, GE moved out. The Dem legislators tried to tax the sh-t out of them one last time. They said FU, we’re outta here.


          • Florida Power January 20, 2016 at 8:25 am #

            Thanks for the update. GE also moved one of their business units out of New York State and landed near me in Clearwater,

            Things are fairly quiet in Florida, although I don’t keep up with local news, and am about to move to North FL anyway. The hispanic populations in the Tampa area have been here for a long time and are assimilated.

            When FL adopted their liberal (!) conceal carry law many predicted shoot-outs in parking lots and etc. Quite the opposite has occurred, although the George Zimmerman event was an indicator of what can happen.

          • malthuss January 20, 2016 at 10:26 am #

            ‘ the George Zimmerman event was an indicator of what can happen.’

            Meaning? An attacker was killed?

          • malthuss January 21, 2016 at 2:05 am #

            Is yr Police chief a woman? yr college prez a woman? Ours are.

          • Florida Power January 21, 2016 at 8:33 am #

            Malthuss — Zimmermann was enabled by his firearm, which he carried legally per the Florida law. I doubt he would have confronted Trayvon without the weapon, but that is my speculation.

            Suspend disbelief for a moment, turn back time and accept my hypothesis: Trayvon goes on about his way, our host writes another blog instead of A Box of Skittles, no cannon fodder for the BrotherHood Propaganda Machine, no Attorney General overreach, and on and on.

            But we all know “what happened” and the world is not a better place for it. And good grief, here’s Spike Lee at it again re the Oscars – as if anybody should care — whining like a spoiled child. One wonders whether he will tweet the addresses of the oscar voters so his brothers in arms can take matters into their own hands.

            Full Disclosure — I have a permit. The training/application process was casual, and if I were in a situation with some of those in my class I would feel more threatened by them.

            But to repeat, Florida did not become the Wild West despite the prognosticators.

          • elysianfield January 21, 2016 at 11:00 am #

            ” if I were in a situation with some of those in my class I would feel more threatened by them. ”

            So, you might opt for the tender mercies of some mindless thug, one perhaps with an unreasoning hatred of you, his target, rather than the support of a few “hilljacks” with whom you “trained”? THAT is a disingenuous canard…

            Nigga, please!

          • Florida Power January 21, 2016 at 6:31 pm #

            Good Grief Field… What I meant by that was, say I was sitting in a subway and in the booth across from me sat the guy who, upon responding to a question from the NRA trainer always answered “OPEN FIRE!” or the octogenarian with dubious eyesight who likewise opined that firing first and asking questions later was the correct response,…assuming a threat walked through the front door I’d dive for the floor and hope these “classmates” didn’t shoot everybody in the place.

            That’s a far cry from opting for the tender mercies of some mindless thug. The point I had hoped to make was that compared to other places — North Carolina for example — the path to conceal carry permit in Florida is a bit easy.

            As for disingenuous canard I submit you were not there and you do not know what you are talking about. The one point the instructor tried to drive home was that once you draw your weapon in public you have a legal problem. Fire it and you have a larger problem. The message was RESTRAINT. The same restraint in the rules of firearm safety, such as knowing what’s downrange.

            Nigga indeed.

          • elysianfield January 21, 2016 at 7:13 pm #

            Well, I apologize if I sounded strident…your comment sounded much like …”a gun in your house is more dangerous to you than a burglar, who would take if from you and use it against you, etc. etc. etc.. I would still opt, however, for an octogenarian with bad eyesight, and a gun, to 3 or 4 “youths” with an agenda…

            “nigga please!” I was quoting from Chris Rock, who uses the term as an incredulous expostulation.

            I am glad that you have gotten your carry permit…eyesight and/or age notwithstanding….

  81. wpa_ccc January 19, 2016 at 8:59 pm #

    Nobody gonna comment on the tremendous endorsement Trump received today? I would not be surprised if Trump follows her example and quits the middle of his term, you know, after he finds out it wasn’t as easy to deport immigrants, defeat ISIS, build a wall and have Mexico pay for it, etc. None of Trump’s promises will be kept and Trump doesn’t need the presidential salary… so here comes President Palin.

  82. tom tommy January 19, 2016 at 9:20 pm #

    Jim’s Patreon’s page is the most depressing thing in this blog post. I knew journalists were poor, but yeesh!
    It must be so super-easy to buy a journalist. Who can trust any news source?

    • Doug January 20, 2016 at 12:12 am #

      Welcome to the real world.

      I’m quite certain that journalists and writers of every sort are fairly easy to buy — and the most accomplished hawkers of their wares are, no doubt, the wealthiest.

      You wouldn’t have to read too much of Jim’s work to figure out that he’s not for sale (not even to Andres Duany, who probably could have made him a rich man). [Maybe I shouldn’t have said that, but fuck it.]

      If money were the primary goal, he’d be writing very different stuff — he’s really very agile and I’m sure he could sell tons of any popular crap he was willing write, if he were willing to write popular crap.

      Of course, it’s not too late: Sue Grafton is nearly at the end of the alphabet and Jim is ten years younger, so he could consider empty-headed bedside reading as a new venture. ;^)

      I think I’d rather we all find a few bucks to chip in.

  83. Buck Stud January 19, 2016 at 9:52 pm #

    “didn’t John Ruskin have some sexual problems, the kind not discussed in polite company?–BRH

    So you’re one of those types who upon gazing at the Sistine Chapel ceiling would immediately begin typing a Google search on their I-Phone. The text would read:

    “Was Michelangelo gay?”

    • BackRowHeckler January 19, 2016 at 10:10 pm #

      Not about gayness, something about little girls.

      • Buck Stud January 19, 2016 at 10:28 pm #

        I never read anything about “little girls”? I read that when he was 50 he proposed to a 17 year old and when 70 to another teenage girl.

        By all accounts Ruskin suffered from depression. Indeed, depression is a very common affliction among all groups of people but among aging white males it seems to result in disproportionate numbers of suicides as compared to other ethnic groups. Perhaps white men are not as mentally tough as other groups but who really knows. At any rate, some theorize that after a lifetime of privilege white men more easily throw in the towel when confronted by the harsh realities of aging as compared to other ethnic groups such as blacks and Mexicans. But I digress.

        Anyway, at least Ruskin didn’t put a bullet in his brain when the going got tough. Instead, he tried to embrace beauty.

        • BackRowHeckler January 20, 2016 at 12:35 am #

          Are you talking about Hemingway?


        • Janos Skorenzy January 20, 2016 at 2:25 pm #

          Are you suicidal? And attracted to young girls as a desperate alternative? Or are you not White too? Or not an aging White male?

  84. Buck Stud January 19, 2016 at 10:10 pm #

    “Crisp and sparkling Saturday morning. From upstairs, cheerful sounds of romping kids and TV cartoons. Aroma of warm muffins and curling coffee vapors. Brilliant shafts of sunlight slanting through Fall’s splendid foliage illuminate the familiar face of Barron’s. All’s well in our world.”

    Good stuff Q and I’m sure Norman Rockwell would agree!

  85. toktomi January 19, 2016 at 10:40 pm #

    Oh, James, you make it sound like you have no faith in the ptb to do any fucking thing that they are of a mind to do.

    Here’s my best take at the moment. “They” told us long ago that Hilary was going to be the one. Now, to make things interesting for themselves and to poke it right into the big eye of the masses, they allow or instigate a steaming pile of bad press for the lady. A wave of the ol’ magic wand and presto! she will be ushered in with all the fanfare of another coming of the ‘bama. “They” are just entertaining and amusing themselves. There will be no crisis.

    I wish I knew where the plug is – I’ld pull it.

    your mileage may vary,


  86. wpa_ccc January 19, 2016 at 11:50 pm #

    MSM is beginning to talk about Bernie Sanders now that he has a 27 point lead over Hillary in New Hampshire. All polls show Hillary is least trusted. Ozone was right about trust being important.

    But Bernie is also talking issues discussed on CFN re: Wall Street racketeering, fraud, theft, maliciousness… etc. Main Street bailed out Wall Street in 2008. Now it is time for Wall Street to bail out Main Street.

    Bernie won’t do it, but I would aise the taxes to a 95% on those earning more than $1 million. Let’s level out this sucker at $1 million and make it nigh impossible for anyone to earn more than that by taxing income over $1 million at 95%… effectively a maximum income to go along with the $15/hour minimum income.

    Force the rich to get by on $1 million a year. Take away their citizenship and kick them out of the USA if they are not playing by the rules.

    This has been an unpaid rant not approved by any candidate.

    • Q. Shtik January 20, 2016 at 1:00 am #

      Bernie won’t do it, but I would [aise] the taxes to [a] 95% on those earning more than $1 million. – wpa


      Bernie won’t do it, but I would eliminate the entire income based tax system and institute a single flat rate consumption tax. The purchase of fungible investments such as stocks and bonds would not be classified as consumption. Investments in tangible items such as art and real estate WOULD be classified as consumption. All subsidies would be done away with. No more aid to foreign governments. No special breaks for churches and charities. No involvement of government in the funding of education. To the extent possible, states would be encouraged to adopt the same policies.

    • Florida Power January 20, 2016 at 8:57 am #

      Does this include the billionaire donors to the Democratic Party? Or do they get the same pass they always seem to get in the popular consciousness? Is it retroactive? Would you claw back “ill-gotten” gains, such as from ex-hedge fund manager Tom Steyer?

  87. Pucker January 20, 2016 at 12:11 am #

    A bloke recently remarked on a Black Lives Matter website comments section that if the US had a Communist revolution then the common people would only have to work a couple of hours each day, and they could spend the rest of their free time writing poetry.

    • elysianfield January 20, 2016 at 4:07 pm #

      Two hours of work a day, and the remainder of the day entertaining the muse? I’ve already begun to explore my potential as a poet…”There once was a man from Nantucket… “

  88. Q. Shtik January 20, 2016 at 1:29 am #

    DOW futures (net of fair value) are down more than 300.

    Good night, sleep tight.

    • BackRowHeckler January 20, 2016 at 3:42 am #

      Don’t worry, Q.

      big Shindig over in Davos, Big Shindig!


      Think any Muzzies will be showing up in Davos, as uninvited guests, “demanding a seat at the table”. They’ll be sitting at the table wearing an explosive vest, Kalashnikov slung over the shoulder, dictating terms and taking concessions. Any objections?

      for the Day of the Hyena is upon us.


  89. FincaInTheMountains January 20, 2016 at 5:01 am #

    So you’re one of those types who upon gazing at the Sistine Chapel ceiling would immediately begin typing a Google search on their I-Phone. The text would read:
    “Was Michelangelo gay?” == Buck

    Orthodox Christians before the iconoclastic wars and the Great Schism refer to the art and human sexuality that too many people still believe to be an obstacle to salvation, despite the fact that the traditional form of sexual activity ideally suited to the commandment “Be fruitful and multiply”.

    The icon (mosaic) was commissioned by Theodoric of the Byzantine Empire when he was going to move to Orthodoxy, made by Byzantine masters:


  90. FincaInTheMountains January 20, 2016 at 5:19 am #

    Report by British Petroleum about the change in the structure of primary energy

    The so-called renewable sources of energy – barely noticeable bright orange bar (not to be confused with the light orange nuclear). Disappearing small in the early 2000s, it barely increased its market share. Hydroelectric power is often attached to renewable to make it look more impressive. But even then it gives just 9.25% of the global energy consumption. The main sources are still and will remain at least until 2040 oil, gas, coal, nuclear.


  91. FincaInTheMountains January 20, 2016 at 5:38 am #

    “DOW futures (net of fair value) are down more than 300” == Q

    The managed process of deflating bubbles on the American Stock Exchanges, which follows the fall on other exchanges, especially the Chinese – only under these conditions the dollar vacuum cleaner will work to full capacity.

    It should be clear by now that fall of the oil prices is a result of double-edged deflationary attack: activating of hidden excess production capacity by usual suspects by about 5 million barrels a day plus manipulation of oil futures – the amount of “paper” oil traded multiple times exceeds the amount of “physical” oil delivered.

    Goal is pretty clear – taking valuable real assets from the “weak hands”, either in the form of “Orange revolution” (target – Venezuela) or “market operation” – Saudi ARAMCO.

    • FincaInTheMountains January 20, 2016 at 6:21 am #

      As usual, it’s all accompanied by a giant deflationary “Psy-op” attack by liberal media, mainstream and “alternative alike” – banksters are dealing from both hands.

    • FincaInTheMountains January 20, 2016 at 6:34 am #

      “I choose not to rely solely on the BDI, but on the other well recognized transportation indices as well, like CASS and SCFI;
      It’s ugly out there” – MD

      Since all transportation indexes reflect the price of shipping in US dollars (not the volume), how much the price of oil that has fallen almost 3 times could reflect on such index?

  92. FincaInTheMountains January 20, 2016 at 6:00 am #

    Birobidzhan: We will take all the Jews who will be escaping from Europe

    Governor of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast (Russian Federation) Aleksandr Levinthal:

    Today we are ready to accept all the Jews who went to other countries for various reasons. We are waiting for all who wish to return home or to come and live here. Of course, we will accept all the Jews from European countries, where today they can be attacked by anti-Semites … We believe that Jews who come to us – a highly cultured people and needed by the Jewish Autonomous Region.

    I bet that Crimea would still be more desirable for future Jewish refugees from Europe.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 20, 2016 at 2:22 pm #

      Yeah well of course. But that’s not going to be allowed. The Crimea belongs to the Russian People, not the Jewish.

      • Doug January 20, 2016 at 2:51 pm #

        Don’t be silly, Janos. The Jews of Crimea are perfectly happy with Russia in charge — much happier than under the anti-Semite infested government in Kiev. And the Crimeans are, overwhelmingly, perfectly happy to have them.

        Here ya go:

        = = = = =
        The Jews of Crimea Feel Safer With Russia in Charge

        Abandoned idea of a Jewish homeland not dead after all as Jews in war-battered Ukraine weigh their options


        • Janos Skorenzy January 20, 2016 at 3:56 pm #

          You realize I trust that Victoria Nuland is an American Jew? And that such Jews overthrew the Ukrainian Government, using the Nazis – whom they have now largely purged?

          I sense you’re trying to do the old liberal shuffle, blaming Whites and excusing Jews, (or Blacks, Browns, etc) It wont wash anymore. If you can’t stand for your own People, at least stand for abstract Truth and Principle. If you can’t do that either, then you’re reducing just being a traitor and a toady.

          Most unprincipled people are at least blindly for their own kind. Whites are unique in rebelling against even lowly natural instinct – and becoming hopelessly vile in the process. The true principle? My Country right or wrong. If right, to be kept right. If wrong, to be put right. At least the blindly patriotic have the first part if not the second. Liberals often don’t have either anymore.

          • Janos Skorenzy January 20, 2016 at 3:57 pm #

            Correction: reduced to being

          • Doug January 20, 2016 at 11:12 pm #

            “You realize I trust that Victoria Nuland is an American Jew? And that such Jews overthrew the Ukrainian Government, using the Nazis – whom they have now largely purged?”

            Victoria Nuland is an American neocon, who happens to be a Jew, who was tasked by her State Deparment masters and the Big Mistress (who happens not to be a Jew) to aid a bunch of Ukrainian oligarchs, *some* of whom are Jews, in overthrowing another bunch of (“legally” elected) oligarchs, because they were standing in the way of US expansion of NATO and chipping away at Russia and its natural sphere of influence.

            The Nazis have been mostly removed from positions of direct power in the government, but they remain powerful and dangerous and our noble Congress has just lifted the ban on using US funds for the support and training of their vile Azov Battalion, among others.

            By the way, the coup totally failed to achieve EUSA goals and strengthened Russia’s position by making absorption of Ukraine by NATO utterly impossible and creating a hostile buffer zone between Russia and the Imperial Western powers.

            “I sense you’re trying to do the old liberal shuffle, blaming Whites and excusing Jews. . .”

            You’re such a ridiculous racist that anything you “sense” is almost certainly senseless.

            “The true principle? My Country right or wrong.”

            Hah. “Countries” are far past their sell-by dates and I have no allegiance to any of them. The sooner the nation-states dissolve, devolve or crumble, the better for all of us.

            “Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious”
            ~Oscar Wilde

          • Janos Skorenzy January 21, 2016 at 12:47 am #

            What’s going to replace nations? What a rotten attitude. You’d leave us defenseless before the Corporate Overlords.

            Jews dominate the Neo Con movement. That’s well known to the knowledgeable. They were Trotskyites before this. They used to spread Revolution in the name of Communism. Now they do it in the name of Capitalism and “Democracy”. Is it really so different? What do they really believe in? Their own power and dominance of the world.

            Oscar Wilde? He’s your moral paragon? A patron of boy prostitutes?

          • Doug January 21, 2016 at 12:06 pm #


            “What’s going to replace nations?”

            Either something based upon city-states or bioregional associations or Mad Max.

            “You’d leave us defenseless before the Corporate Overlords.”

            I very much doubt that the corporations are going to survive descent and collapse.

            “Jews dominate the Neo Con movement.”

            It’s true that that many of the early neocons were Jews. It’s also true that the movement has long been interdenominational. Bonkers Bolton is a Lutheran; Icky Dick Cheney is a Methodist; Don “The Reaper” Rumsfeld is a Congregationalist; unless the Woolseys converted somewhere in the past four centuries and I missed it, James is not a Jew; Kirkpatrick was an ardent Zionist but not a Jew; Jerry Boykin is a conservative Christian activist; Francis Fukuyama is a Congregationalist Christian; Victor Hanson, of the Hoover Institution, is some sort of Protestant Christian; Fred Barnes, over at the Weekly Standard, certainly isn’t a Jew; Marco Rubio, a Catholic, is in the process of being re-baptized int neoconservatism . . . and on it goes.

            “They were Trotskyites before this.”

            I like Trotskyists much better than neocons and, although I wouldn’t sign up, I’d love to have had a chance to have dinner with Lev at Rivera and Kahlo’s table.

            “What do they really believe in? Their own power and dominance of the world.”

            Neocons? Yes, that’s right. Jews? Only a small minority of wack jobs, who happen to have some powerful positions here and have long threatened the very existence of Israel (and the occupied Palestinians) with their instinctive aggression, brutality and refusal to accept reality.

            “Oscar Wilde? He’s your moral paragon? A patron of boy prostitutes?”

            There’s so much wrong in that short blurb that I can’t be bothered to refute it all, as it would fall on deaf ears, anyway. I’ll just point out that the argumentum ad hominem is not only one of the best-known logical fallacies but also one of the dumbest and most boring.

        • FincaInTheMountains January 20, 2016 at 6:25 pm #

          The biggest mystery of our time – how could certain Jews be antisemitic?

          • Janos Skorenzy January 21, 2016 at 12:57 am #

            Because the word doesn’t mean anything anymore if it ever did. Is an anti-Semite one who doesn’t like Jews or one whom Jews don’t like?

            Many Jews served in Hitler’s army. If Hitler had won, then the Jews wouldn’t have gotten away with making him into a monster. They would have worked to get along with him as they did when he was in power. The Zionists and the National Socialists worked together closely in Germany. Indeed Likud is a straight up Fascism.

  93. ozone January 20, 2016 at 9:58 am #

    Okay then,
    For those of you who are beshitting themselves in terror of the coming of the socialism, here’s a bit of comparison between the Dread Redistributionist Bernie and the Benevolent War-Mongering Corporate Whore Hillary.


    See? Your homework has already been done for you! (Perhaps if due diligence had been done regarding O’blammo’s voting record, rock-ribbed delusions might not have taken hold.)

    Now you also know why Bernie hasn’t a chance against the Machine, come convention-time. Who finances the Machine? (By George W., I think the light is beginning to peek through.) Another cog: Have you heard of Diebold? Whazzat? All repaired? Oooooh-kay, color me soothed and trusting.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 20, 2016 at 2:35 pm #

      You’ve straddled the fence for too long. Long have you lingered in the shadowy realms of Marxism and the Internationale. I’m giving you a chance here and now to renounce all that and consciously embrace American National Socialism. Supporting Bernie doesn’t do it since he’s doing the same thing. I remind thee: he’s a hardcore Zionist.

      • ozone January 20, 2016 at 5:54 pm #

        Oh ye of limited vision and imagination, I straddle no fences and trust very few… least of all, vladdie the laddie. I renounce all you pretend to “stand for” and denounce you as paid provocateur.
        m’kay? We done?

        • Janos Skorenzy January 20, 2016 at 7:37 pm #

          Absurd. Whites are at the bottom of the totem pole. Who would pay me to advocate for their interests?

          • K-Dog January 21, 2016 at 2:47 am #

            Then the checks must be big for you not to care who signs them!

            And that totem pole thing. Do you mean rich whites or poor whites, or do you mean some but not all or do you mean all but not some. Which is it! Is the totem pole made out of white pine? If it is then the whole damn totem pole is white and you are spewing nonsense trying to confuse us to some evil end.

          • Janos Skorenzy January 24, 2016 at 2:30 am #

            You desperately attempt to confuse yourself. Any distraction, anything to keep your anti-White conditioning in place. You must accept the pain if you want to grow. And if you want to grow, you must die to the ugliness that you have inside yourself now.

  94. ozone January 20, 2016 at 10:11 am #

    Here’s an insignificant story about our billionaire, political-fixer heroes, The Koch Bros. (Yeah, I love ’em too; look at all they’ve done for the average Joe and the pristine cleanliness of our environment. Humanitarian softies, I tells ya.)


    Don’t worry, everything is on the up and up, transparent and out in the open. Our sla… er, *freedom from the socialist menace* is at hand!

    • malthuss January 20, 2016 at 10:32 am #

      I did skim the article.
      NPR is a tool of the One World Gov, with freedom for none.

      Koch, Soros, this, that.

      With Robotics- Automation , most of todays workers will be unneeded.
      Then what?

      • ozone January 20, 2016 at 1:19 pm #

        Okay, subject quashed. Kochs are capitalist heroes and are doing god’s work in the home of the brave opportunists.
        Let’s get on to some more pleasant off-topic distractions, such as:
        How are your present gambles in “the free market” working out? (Please itemize for clarity.)

        • malthuss January 20, 2016 at 2:08 pm #

          So Koch Inc is the enemy?

          Having heard much NPR, I know NPR is the enemy of my freedom and of USAs.

          • ozone January 20, 2016 at 5:14 pm #

            You’ve engaged in killing the messenger*; something ridiculously common in authoritarian bootlickers. I do not support National Petroleum Radio, but I know an important story about who runs things and how when I hear it. I suppose it’s going to take some really high anxiety for you to open your mind wide enough to let in some light. (Don’t worry, I won’t help or hinder you; do just as you’re doing while waiting for one of the oligarchs to toss you a crumb.) As you seem to be a supporter of all things vladdie, I’ve got nothing further to discuss with you. Crank on.

            *For those reading along, pay attention to this classic thought-stopper; it happens a lot in here.

          • ozone January 20, 2016 at 5:16 pm #

            …and, yes, Koch Inc. is most definitely one of the enemy. If you happen to be their toady, you are one of the enemy as well.

          • ozone January 20, 2016 at 5:19 pm #

            So, how are those “investments” going? Buy the dip and buy BIG.

        • Janos Skorenzy January 20, 2016 at 2:20 pm #

          Where did he say that? Did his criticism of NPR trigger your mindless negativity? Do you have a soft side for those corrupt socialist phonies?

          • malthuss January 20, 2016 at 3:30 pm #

            Haha. ‘socialist phonies’ feeding at gov and corporate trough.

  95. fodase January 20, 2016 at 10:29 am #

    Nobody gonna comment on the tremendous endorsement Trump received today? I would not be surprised if Trump follows her example and quits the middle of his term, you know, after he finds out it wasn’t as easy to deport immigrants, defeat ISIS, build a wall and have Mexico pay for it, etc.

    glad to see you’re on board with the next President’s platform

    he won’t quit, it’s not hard to deport immigrants, defeat ISIS and (woopdi doo) build a wall.

    the chinese built a 5000 mile wall thousands of years ago

    paying for it – i’m sure lots of Americans would volunteer to pay a walltax with a big smile

    sounds like you’re really being a sore loser

    regarding taxing anything above $1 million at 95%, it’s a great idea to immeditely kill any risk taking and innovation and wealth creation that actually generates tax revenue that your economically illiterate pals think comes from fairy dust

    you should be bernie’s economic advisor

    look at that evil billionaire bill gates, why he must’ve made thousands of people millionaires, millions of people wealthy to well off, all while vastly improving business productivity, giving millions of people jobs in the computer industry, etc etc etc etc.

    yeah, we need to tax him at 95%


    • sprawlcapital January 20, 2016 at 10:01 pm #

      Actually we need to put Bill Gates behind bars, for the crimes he has committed against the computer industry and against computer users.

      He uses monopoly power to force people to buy new software they do not want, instead of removing bugs from existing software. MS Word, almost unusable, is an example, as is Excel.

      • K-Dog January 21, 2016 at 2:51 am #

        The federal government only wants one major operating system with as many zero point vulnerabilities as possible. This means the only Bars Bill will ever be behind all serve Guinness.

  96. malthuss January 20, 2016 at 10:40 am #

    JHK makes an appeal for donations.

    Sheesh, I thought he was rich from the lecture circuit.

    He mentions how difficult it is for a writer to earn a living ‘these days.’

    Add Artists, Photographers [with a billion cameras in phones now]
    Architects, and various other professions or jobs to his ‘hard to earn a living’ category.

    And this is while the Dollar is still ‘strong.’

    • Q. Shtik January 20, 2016 at 12:15 pm #

      He mentions how difficult it is for a writer to earn a living ‘these days.’

      Add Artists, Photographers [with a billion cameras in phones now]
      Architects, and various other professions or jobs to his ‘hard to earn a living’ category. – Malthuss


      Yeah, it’s very hard to ‘monetize’ any kind of intellectual ‘work’. The only thing that gets paid, cash on the barrel head, is grunt-work. In mid December, after the last leaf had finally fallen off my five large oak trees, I paid two Mexicans $200 to clean up my property. Did they pay taxes on it? Not likely. They did a terrific job. If I had done it like in the old days I’d be pushin’ up daisies right now.

      Every two weeks the Ukrainian cleaning lady comes and works hard for about 3 hours for $70. She does a terrific job too.

      Jim stimulates our minds and improves our vocabularies every week for free.

      Ol’ Spidey’s world is being realized. Everyone is going to have to get a government check to survive and take up a hobby to absorb their idle or uncompensated hours.

      • malthuss January 21, 2016 at 1:43 am #

        In the old days, decent Blacks did the nanny, janitor, cabbie work.

        I just had a really weird experience-I saw a Latino nanny w a mulatto child walk by.

        I am use to the ‘brown nanny w the little yellow prince’ but this was a new one for me.

    • Doug January 20, 2016 at 12:16 pm #

      “Sheesh, I thought he was rich from the lecture circuit.”

      Nah. He was never “rich” from the lecture circuit and he’s much too contrarian to be welcome on, e.g., campuses these days, as he’s pointed out somewhere.

      Imagine Jim in a panel discussion on micro-aggression!!!

      So, send him a few bucks. If subscriptions aren’t your thing, wrap a few bills in note paper, slip them into a small manila envelope and send them on their way to:

      James Howard Kunstler
      PO Box 193
      Saratoga Springs NY 12866 USA

      • Janos Skorenzy January 20, 2016 at 2:38 pm #

        No, wrap the bills in tinfoil to foil the sensing machines.

        • Doug January 20, 2016 at 2:44 pm #

          Foil would probably set off the alarms.

          But do be sure to use a fictitious return address, if you worry that contributing to Jimmy “The Radical” Kunstler will get you on one of the NSA’s or CIA’s many lists:

          All machinable postal mail is scanned/photographed, front and back, as it goes through the processing equipment.


          • Janos Skorenzy January 20, 2016 at 3:00 pm #

            Tin foil prevents their rays from penetrating. In the future, tin foil will line headgear in order to protect the brain. Tin Foil hats are a fine idea whose time will come. Many a true word is spoken in jest after all.

          • Doug January 20, 2016 at 8:28 pm #

            “Tin foil prevents their rays from penetrating.”

            Well, yes, depending upon the rays . . . but . . .

            Do you think a machine attempting to determine the contents of a letter or package and discovering that some material was preventing the scan *wouldn’t* sound the alarm and/or toss the suspect letter or parcel into the “further examination” bin?

            Foil and or other forms of Faraday pouches are a good idea for your cellphone, though, especially if you find a convenient way to ground them.

        • K-Dog January 21, 2016 at 2:54 am #

          What? Do the sensing machines use black light?

      • cbeard January 22, 2016 at 9:42 am #

        Maybe Kunstler needs to get a real job. His book sales must not be going well or maybe he’s like a lot of others and living beyond his means. I donate time and effort to worthy projects often enough, but I don’t have money to give away. As for me I’m too proud to beg.

  97. wpa_ccc January 20, 2016 at 10:48 am #

    “stocks and bonds would not be classified as consumption. Investments in tangible items such as art and real estate WOULD be classified as consumption. ” — Q

    In other words, tax spending but not what I spend MY money on… Hypocritre. You cannot even apply conservative values fairly.

    • Q. Shtik January 20, 2016 at 12:44 pm #

      Deposits in traditional banks would be considered ‘safe storage.’

      Deposits in credit unions would be considered ‘consumption.’

      Bwahh hahaha.

      • wpa_ccc January 20, 2016 at 12:47 pm #

        Got it. Thanks.

  98. FincaInTheMountains January 20, 2016 at 11:10 am #

    Curious Historical Fact

    As director of the CIA, Robert Gates during his visit to Moscow in October 1992, before flying back to the United States, conducted a single-man Victory Parade on the Red Square goose stepping in front of the television cameras, saying: “There, in the square near the Kremlin and the Mausoleum, I perform a single-man Victory Parade”(in the Cold War).

    This story was not shown on Russian television – only in the West.

    Small problem – Russia never signed the Act of Surrender.

    • Doug January 20, 2016 at 12:58 pm #

      It wasn’t shown anywhere, because it didn’t happen.

      Prove me wrong by finding the video, or a reference to the event from a credible source.

      • FincaInTheMountains January 20, 2016 at 1:31 pm #

        Unfortunately, I can’t give you a direct link, since Kunstler server chokes up on Cyrillic, but here is what you do:

        you go here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Gates

        then you change the language to “Russian” (or “Russki” – spelled out in Cyrillic in the left panel of the Wiki page)

        then you search for the phrase “Historical Facts” – again, spelled out in Russian Cyrillic, and under that paragraph you will find the story, again in Russian Cyrillic.

        If you find the whole exercise a bit too tiresome, you could just give me the fucking benefit of a doubt.

        • Doug January 20, 2016 at 2:21 pm #

          Oh, no, I love to do research, when I’m in the mood.

          The only citation in the Wiki article you provide is from a 2011 work by Roy Medvedev.

          The only other similar reference I can find anywhere on the Web is in a translation of a work the following year by Roy’s brother, Zohres: Post-Soviet Russia: A Journey Through the Yeltsin Era

          Both say that the allegedly filmed “victory march” was shown only in the West, not on state-controlled Russian media.

          Strange, then, isn’t it, that there is no mention of it in any English language reference to Gates, and no video appears to exist in any of the usual Western repositories, and that no reporter from either country (or others who were surely present) seems ever to have written about it?

          Do any Westerners here remember Gates goose-stepping through Red Square?

          Was this a super-secret film, made only for the Medvedev brothers in gratitude for their dissidence during the Soviet era and now locked away in their family vaults?

          I’m sorry, Finca, giving you the benefit of doubt just doesn’t seem reasonable at this point. Maybe if you can find more evidence . . .

          • FincaInTheMountains January 20, 2016 at 2:48 pm #

            Good. So, you did find the story on the official, subject to collective editing Wiki page.

            I’m glad it helped.

          • Doug January 20, 2016 at 3:02 pm #

            There’s nothing official about Wiki, Finca.

            It is, of course, subject to collective editing, which makes it especially difficult to imagine that the much more extensive, and extensively-edited. English entry on Gates doesn’t even hint at the incident (supposedly shown on Western media):


    • elysianfield January 21, 2016 at 11:13 am #

      “Curious Historical Fact’

      Yeah, you’ll find that clip right along with Hitler’s dance at Compiegne….

  99. FincaInTheMountains January 20, 2016 at 11:14 am #

    regarding taxing anything above $1 million at 95%, it’s a great idea to immeditely kill any risk taking and innovation and wealth creation that actually generates tax revenue that your economically illiterate pals think comes from fairy dust == fodase

    Ah, you mean the guy who came up with a new innovative algorithm of stock spoofing?

    Or the other guy who manages to sell for $750 tablets that he got at $25?

    • FincaInTheMountains January 20, 2016 at 11:15 am #

      Or the other guy who manages to sell for $750 [tablets]pills that he got at $25?

  100. FincaInTheMountains January 20, 2016 at 11:32 am #

    Jews are crying on Putin’s shoulder over their fate in Europe

    Vyacheslav Kantor:

    Anti-Semitism in Europe has grown over the last three years, at 40% per year – I am talking about very extreme cases of anti-Semitism, not small things. For example, more Jews have emigrated from the recently safe nation of France than from Ukraine, which is gripped by an internal conflict.

    Why are Jews running from a Europe that was recently safe? They are fleeing, as you rightly said, not only because of terrorist attacks against our communities in Toulouse, Brussels, Paris, Copenhagen, and now Marseille, but because of their fear to simply appear in the streets of European cities.

    Vladimir Putin:

    They should come here, to Russia. We are ready to accept them.
    They left the Soviet Union; now they should come back.


    • FincaInTheMountains January 20, 2016 at 11:56 am #

      Jews had a rough, but generally speaking positive relationship with the Russian state: my father, a civil engineer, graduated from Soviet Jewish school (Yiddish language), was a bomber-navigator during WWII, after the war was put in charge of construction of Uranium enrichment plant in Chelyabinsk-40, where he was fired from during the infamous “The Doctors’ plot” in 1952 for no other reason than being a Jew.

      He managed to get a good job in Sverdlovsk in 1953 after Stalin’s death .

      • Janos Skorenzy January 20, 2016 at 2:47 pm #

        Have you read Solzhenitsyn’s “Two Hundred Years Together” – positive is putting it very positively in sense of fatuously. He actually talks about the Jewish pogroms against Russians.

        Why aren’t you working to get it translated into English? You could be the man of destiny to do it – or are you still too tribal, too indifferent or even hostile to the objective Truth.

        • FincaInTheMountains January 20, 2016 at 2:54 pm #

          I have not participated in pogroms, nor was I subject of them.

          Regarding Solzhenitsyn: his stories make for a fascinating reading, but, personally, most of them are full of it – he definitely liked to spice things up.

          • Janos Skorenzy January 21, 2016 at 12:24 am #

            He’s a moral giant. You are a pygmy in comparison.

    • Doug January 20, 2016 at 12:54 pm #

      There were about 1.6 million Jews living in the EU in 2014. In the same year, about 8,600 of them made Aliyah. That’s about half of one percent.

      Although there was certainly an increase in Jewish emigration from Europe over the previous year, the numbers aren’t all that different when compared over a longer recent period, during which, in some years, they were significantly higher.

      And the vast majority came from France & Italy, where it is likely that economic issues were at least as important a factor as antisemitic hostility and attacks — Israel’s economy has just been doing much better than France and southern Europe

      The leader of the pack, in percentage terms, is, hands-down, Ukraine, where ten percent of the Jewish population is estimated to have departed, according to Israeli figures. Seems like a low percentage to me, with Svoboda and worse roaming the streets and the US now supplying funds for training the charming Azov Battalion.

      I actually agree with Putin on this. Except for very observant Jews (a minority), most Ukrainians would find Russian culture much more familiar and comfortable than that in Israel.

      • FincaInTheMountains January 20, 2016 at 1:42 pm #

        When in 1941 the Nazi army was approaching Kharkov were my grandparents lived at the time, the majority of the local Jews thought that all stories about Nazi atrocities were communist propaganda and preferred to stay – of course, Jews had to be smarter than anybody else…

        My grandparents left for Siberia with retreating Soviet troops and lived, which I can’t say about 99% of those who stayed behind.

        • Doug January 20, 2016 at 2:38 pm #

          “My grandparents left for Siberia with retreating Soviet troops and lived, which I can’t say about 99% of those who stayed behind.”

          At least 99%. Any number of sources say that the Nazis left *no* Jews alive in Kharkov.

          And the Nazi spirit still flourishes in Kharkov, and even more vigorously in the far west of Ukraine, today:


          And, now, these charming fellows can receive U.S. funding:

          = = = =
          Congress Has Removed a Ban on Funding Neo-Nazis From Its Year-End Spending Bill

          Under pressure from the Pentagon, Congress has stripped the spending bill of an amendment that prevented funds from falling into the hands of Ukrainian neo-fascist groups.


    • Janos Skorenzy January 20, 2016 at 2:42 pm #

      As Ernst Zundel said, the Jews are a tragic people, always causing immense suffering to themselves and those around them. What on Earth – other than hatred of Whites and Western Culture – possessed them to throw their weight behind mass Muslim immigration to Europe? That it wouldn’t work out too well for them was not hard to predict after all. All that genius is useless if you are too full of hatred to use it.

  101. Q. Shtik January 20, 2016 at 12:52 pm #

    DOW down 563.

    One of these days (today??) it’s not going to recover in mid-day and it’ll be negative 1000 at the close.

    • malthuss January 20, 2016 at 3:32 pm #

      It is up a bit. 15700 or so?

  102. shabbaranks January 20, 2016 at 12:59 pm #

    Crude Oil – Electronic (NYMEX) Feb 2016 just traded for less than $27/bb, at $26.43.

    $20 oil is just around the corner. The Obama recession has begun.

  103. Q. Shtik January 20, 2016 at 1:30 pm #

    This is from JHK’s Patreon Page:

    The Situation

    Writing is my livelihood. It has always been a tough racket. I get a lot of letters from young, struggling writers asking for advice. My main message to them has been that talent counts, but perseverance counts more. You really have to hang in there against pretty tough odds. After all, you’re producing work that nobody asked for.


    This is how Q. imagines the above paragraph originally ended:

    ………..Sooooo, as you might have guessed, what I am REALLY saying is “forget writing…….take up plumbing.”

    • FincaInTheMountains January 20, 2016 at 1:48 pm #

      Mr. Q, I hope you are not suggesting that Mr. Kunstler could do your yard cleaning job for his $200 tip. Just get out your checkbook.

      • malthuss January 20, 2016 at 3:34 pm #


        JHK had mentioned expensive purple potatoes at the Farmers Market.

        He should start planting.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 20, 2016 at 2:50 pm #

      As the richest man on Clusterfuck, as you have never ceased to remind us, you have a clear and present duty. Now make the pledge.

  104. wpa_ccc January 20, 2016 at 1:51 pm #

    I hope Trump chooses Sara Palin as his VP running mate. They make a nice couple. The only problem I see is that Palin is a Christian and might have a problem with Trump wanting to bang his daughter. But maybe not. The Palin clan does its share of banging and beating on each other.

    “We aren’t surprised that Sarah Palin gobbled up all the glory of standing in the spotlight again, imagining she is still Moose Queen USA. That’s our Sarah. But we are surprised that Donald Trump and his ego stood there silently for a full 20 minutes without rolling his eyes, telling her to shut her stupid “persona,” or calling in his security to drag the screaming crazy lady away so she could sleep it off somewhere and give him back his mic and his spotlight. That, truly, was a sight to behold.”


    • nsa January 20, 2016 at 2:50 pm #

      La Palin is the ultimate open minded pc lib. A jungleballer, Glenn Rice, claims he was up in AK for some kind of college tournament….and the young sports reporter pulled a train for the whole team of mostly afros. A real hysterical meth nympho who likes to take a lot of dick…..takes a plugging and keeps on fugging……

  105. Janos Skorenzy January 20, 2016 at 4:02 pm #

    Integrated Muslim kids on Germans: Disgusting pork eating outsiders no one would miss. In other words, Muslims don’t assimilate. Dumb greasers much like our own.


  106. Frankiti January 20, 2016 at 5:31 pm #

    “Parallel events could rock the Democratic side. I expect Hillary to exit the race one way or another before April. She comes off the shelf like a defective product that never should have made it through quality control. ”

    And there was Hillary on NPR with Ira Shapiro, using all the well worn cliches that have set voters off of the establishment; “hard working immigrants”…. blah, blah, “this email ‘situation’ (yes, situation) is another attempt…” blah blah blah… during my candidacy… blah, right wing conspiracy, blah, blah…

    Her voice is beginning to carry that old lady raspiness… metallic and tinny she warbles like Frank Deford with goosebumps. Then her laugh track. Thrown it awkwardly, trying and hoping that her interlocutor understands it as a wink, as in please move on, we both know this is ridiculous…

  107. FincaInTheMountains January 20, 2016 at 5:37 pm #

    Despite the official anti-Russian rhetoric, Obama and Putin are actively cooperating and has already developed a common position on four major issues of world politics: Ukraine, Syria, Saudi-Iranian conflict, and North Korea.

    What does Obama hope to convey through this rare gesture of phoning up Putin amidst the Russian New Year festivities? Indeed, he felt it prudent on second thoughts not to cause annoyance to Moscow at a juncture when the US badly needs Russia’s cooperation to tackle a host of regional issues. In sum, he has hastened to correct the impression he put forth in his 2016 State of the Union Address on Tuesday regarding Russia as a pernicious entity in the international system. Obama signaled the following:

    The US is no longer playing a behind-the-scenes role of inciting its proxy government in Kiev to drag its feet on the full implementation of the Minsk agreement (which is a precondition for the West to lift sanctions against Russia).

    The US stance does “see Syria fundamentally very similarly” with Russia – to use Secretary of State John Kerry’s words – and the two countries need to work together in resolving the conflict. Kerry was, perhaps, more explicit after his talks in the Kremlin on December 20: “We (US) are not trying to do a regime change. We are not engaged in a colour revolution”.

    The US will not take sides in the Saudi-Iran rift; nor is it seeking to take advantage of a flare-up in sectarian strife in the Muslim Middle East.

    The US recognizes that Russia’s cooperation is necessary and useful to pursue a “strong and united international response” to the North Korean regime.


  108. FincaInTheMountains January 20, 2016 at 5:44 pm #

    I expect Hillary to exit the race one way or another before April == Frankiti

    The danger of nuclear war is waning and the War Party becomes the party of economic crisis, as its leader, who for personal reasons was thirsting to view exploding thermonuclear charge of 50 megatons over Washington, missed the wave and the Big Boys stopped supporting her in that little whim.

    • wpa_ccc January 20, 2016 at 5:58 pm #

      “the War Party becomes the party of economic crisis” –Finca

      Yes, wealth inequality is Bernie’s area of strength, which is why Bernie is beating both Trump and Hillary in polls.

      Feeling the Bern is a political movement, contining the Occupy Wall Street energy, and Bernie’s revolution will continue beyond January 2017, when America’s first Jewish socialist president takes office.

      They said a Senator named Barack Hussein Obama was unelectable. Now they are saying the same, that he is unelectable, about Bernie Sanders. The Millenials are the future and the Millenials (and a few aging Boomers) are supporting Bernie.

      • FincaInTheMountains January 20, 2016 at 6:09 pm #

        first Jewish National Socialist president takes office…

        He shouldn’t have said that damned phrase – “Enough about those damned emails”, he knew perfectly well it was not about emails.

  109. wpa_ccc January 20, 2016 at 5:49 pm #

    $200 a barrel oil (maybe $500) predicted by JHK:

    “There are also new rumbles about Saudi Arabia’s shaky situation with its Ghawar oil field, which gives ominous signs of entering a far steeper and more sudden decline / crash than previously imagined by many observers. A similar picture is resolving with Mexico’s dominant Cantarell oil field. Yet another interesting problem all over the map is that oil exporting nations are seeing their internal consumption increase even while reserves and daily production decline, and the net effect is a lot less oil for export. I would take these signals as reason to think the price of oil will pass $100 a barrel before the end of 2006. Of course, Iran could stir that pot without a whole lot of trouble and take the price to $200, or maybe $500.” (August 7, 2006)

    Because “peak oil” … remember “peak oil”?

    • seawolf77 January 21, 2016 at 10:40 am #

      It is almost quaint now. How did that happen? Throwing money at the problem. Sometimes it does work.

  110. FincaInTheMountains January 20, 2016 at 5:57 pm #

    “There’s nothing official about Wiki, Finca” — Doug

    From now on I expect you, Doug, and Mr.Darling to stop quoting ZeroHedge.

    • wpa_ccc January 20, 2016 at 6:43 pm #

      That should be Doug, Mr. Darling, and Ozone. They do the work of stenographers/mimeographs, like Janos with stormfront/dailystormer…

      So we can continue to read Zero Hedge and Dailystormer articles, and JHK’s Monday morning jewels, let’s all send JHK some money, either through the web page, or the old-fashioned way directly to his PO Box:

      James Howard Kunstler
      PO Box 193
      Saratoga Springs NY 12866 USA

      • Frankiti January 21, 2016 at 5:18 pm #

        The same schleppers post on Zero-Hedge, a website seemingly devoted to “Why the world is ending in one chart” stories”. You can go back and read years of chart based stories on how the world ended. Funny stuff. On a long enough timeline they might get something right.

    • Doug January 20, 2016 at 10:41 pm #

      You’ll have a hard time finding me quoting ZeroHedge, although I do enjoy reading it, some days.

      I also read The Guaridan, The Torygraph, The Independent, RT, Paul Craig Roberts, Marx, Odum, The World Socialist Web Site, Glenn Greenwald, Justin Raimondo, Forbes, and on and on and on.

      You’re going to have a lot harder time fitting me into one of your preconceived categories than you think.

      And there’s still nothing official about Wiki and I’ve still not seen the slightest credible evidence that Gates goose-stepped through Red Square. I also haven’t seen him frog marched into the International Criminal Court to face war crimes charges, but I’d very much enjoy watching that.

      • MisterDarling January 21, 2016 at 1:24 am #

        Hell-ooo Doug!

        Regarding the use of Wikipedia, I have a comment: I was the sort of child that got encyclopedia sets on his birthdays, and one of the things that irritated me about them was the long list of corrections and retractions that would get published upon the arrival of a new edition. The point here is that these very respectable paper-media references were also error-prone. They were not perfect.

        Now, of course I wouldn’t use a wiki-article reference in a graduate/post-graduate or professional setting – but Wikipedia material does undergo a continuous quality-control process and they do cite their sources properly. That ranks it a step above ‘hearsay’ & the ramblings of B-list ‘news’-weeklies, and therefore it can be used to begin establishing a claim of some sort.

        Just to be clear: I’m not elevating it to the level of the ‘scholastic’, but I am saying it has it’s place in the realm of informal online work-groups and presentations.


        • Doug January 21, 2016 at 12:31 pm #


          We are in near-total agreement.

          To understand why I said that, you have to scroll back up to an exchange with Finca, in which he claimed that Robert Gates, in 1992, performed a solo “cold war victory march” by goose-stepping across Red Square — and that it was filmed but shown only to Western audiences.

          I challenged him and he referred me to a Russian language Wiki entry that included the claim with a reference to a 2011 piece by Roy Medvedev. I tried to research it further and was only able to find one other reference — in a book by Medvedev’s brother the following year.

          Somewhere in the course of the exchange, Finca posted:

          “Good. So, you did find the story on the official, subject to collective editing Wiki page.”


          I also issued a call for reports from any others who might have knowledge of the despicable Gates engaged in his one-man parade, but have, as yet, received no responses.

          • MisterDarling January 21, 2016 at 3:46 pm #

            @ Doug:

            I followed that exchange and I do understand why you said that. There is no conflict. My post was in support an clarification. I think that we’d be hurting ourselves if we refused to accept Wikipedia references as a starting point for more serious conversations.

            Regarding the screen-name you were engaging, don’t you find it *odd* that ‘his’ posts are so similar in type, timing and overall tone to the other high-volume poster?



            I mean who else has the time to pelt CFN with that much chatter? Do you think that a hardworking ‘fincador’ purportedly living on an ‘island off the coast of S. America’ would have the interest, free-time and band-width?


          • Doug January 21, 2016 at 4:40 pm #

            Well, you know, finca can refer to an “estate” as well as to a simple farm.

            Perhaps our friend is a patron of considerable means — and strange predilections. ;^)

  111. FincaInTheMountains January 20, 2016 at 6:04 pm #

    DOW down 563 — Mr. Q

    Dow up 314 from down 563! – Finca

    The managed process of deflating bubbles on the American Stock Exchanges — Finca

    • FincaInTheMountains January 20, 2016 at 6:38 pm #

      I hope they are not forgetting to make little something for themselves.

  112. fodase January 20, 2016 at 6:39 pm #

    Ah, you mean the guy who came up with a new innovative algorithm of stock spoofing?
    Or the other guy who manages to sell for $750 tablets that he got at $25?

    maybe henry ford, who gave millions of people the ability to buy automobiles

    or the inventors of multitudes of products that make modernity possible.

    yeah, let’s tax them all at 95% because some people gouge.

    great logic.

    can’t wait to see your economy bloom with that in place.

    why not cap salaries at 50,000 per year, and tax everything above that at 95%? no one needs more than 50,000 a year.

    that’s what wpa_ccc will set it at, because he knows best.

    like lenin and stalin said as they walked away arm in arm from the smouldering economic and societal ruins of what was the USSR…

    “ah, it was just an idea”

    • wpa_ccc January 20, 2016 at 6:54 pm #

      “no one needs more than 50,000 a year.” –fodase

      My proposal was to tax at 95% any personal income over $1 million a year. My hypothesis is that even the rich can manage to survive on $1 million a year, if they know how to budget and choose their toys carefully. I definitely want to put a cap on toys.

      With a 95% tax on personal income over $1 million, we level out incomes at a maximum of $1 million and have funding for building infrastructure, providing better healthcare, education, housing, etc. It is what Article I Section 8 of the Constitution provides for: that no one should starve, freeze to death homeless, live with treatable disease. Of course, the Constitution encapulates all that in five words.

  113. fodase January 20, 2016 at 6:46 pm #

    I wonder about the impact of Brazil utterly failing to pull off the Olympics 6 months from now. They are sooooooo fucked up.
    Opinion from Fodase would be welcomed.

    brazil will pull it off, everyone thought the 2014 world soccer cup would be a disaster, they pulled it off

    that said, some of the 2014 world cup projects are nearing completion (yes, the 2014 world cup projects that were never finished even though the cup went well)

    still, brazil is soooooooo fucked up it’s beyond belief. just stoopid, really stoopid and corrupt people.

    great example is sao paulo (pop. 20 million) literally running out of water. politicians came on tv saying there’d be no rationing!

    they knew 10 years ago they’d run out of water but did nothing besides say everything was alright.

    how the hell do you let 20 million people run out of water? easy, your great cushy all-expenses-paid politician’s life means it doesn’t exist for you, screw the population

  114. wpa_ccc January 20, 2016 at 7:15 pm #

    PolitiFact concedes that the Sanders campaign has data to back up its claim that 10% of the Pentagon budget goes to fighting terrorism:

    “Sanders’ campaign has used this talking point before, and shared the math with us. They cited more than $600 billion in defense spending, saying only $5.5 billion has gone to fighting ISIS and around $42 billion has gone to operations in Afghanistan, much of which is used to fight al-Qaida.”

    In all, they said the government has spent about 7.9 percent of the defense budget on fighting terrorism. But, PolitiFact argues, “that’s a very narrow view of how the defense budget works.”

    PolitiFact then offers a different calculation than the Sanders campaign, and comes up with “a bit more than 9 percent.” Quick students of arithmetic will already have noted that “a bit more than 9 percent” is still “less than 10 percent.”

  115. fodase January 20, 2016 at 7:32 pm #

    With a 95% tax on personal income over $1 million, we level out incomes at a maximum of $1 million and have funding for building infrastructure, providing better healthcare, education, housing, etc.

    uh, where do you ‘get funding’ when no one will bother to generate more than $1 million in income?

    capping at $1 mill kills everyone’s job who actually had a job because their employer was making more than $1 million and could hire people

    so now they’re out of work.

    are you going to ‘get funding’ from them?

    another perfect economic illiterate, you should run for mayor or governor of some dnc stronghold where people think money is just there for the taking and have no clue about wealth creation

    talk about kooksy

    • wpa_ccc January 20, 2016 at 8:14 pm #

      fodase, we are talking about 0.1% of the population. The other 99.9% continue to pay normal tax rates and generate tax revenues. (You have to make $434,682 in adjusted gross income to be in the top 1%, according to the non-partisan Tax Foundation.)

      So, the number of people who would be hit by the 95% tax rate is very, very small, one tenth of 1% of those who pay income taxes. Don’t fret that all creativity, innovation, and job creation will grind to a halt. It won’t. These figures have been vetted by wpa-ccc.

      There also should be a tax on stock market speculation to make education free. Bernie has legislation to pay for free education:

      “This legislation is offset by imposing a Wall Street speculation fee on investment houses, hedge funds, and other speculators of 0.5% on stock trades (50 cents for every $100 worth of stock), a 0.1% fee on bonds, and a 0.005% fee on derivatives. It has been estimated that this provision could raise hundreds of billions a year which could be used not only to make tuition free at public colleges and universities in this country, it could also be used to create millions of jobs and rebuild the middle class of this country.” –Bernie Sanders

    • elysianfield January 21, 2016 at 11:21 am #

      “capping at $1 mill kills everyone’s job who actually had a job because their employer was making more than $1 million and could hire people ”

      Explain why this didn’t happen in the early ’50’s when the top rate was 93%…was it that magic 2% that proved unpalatable?

      • Doug January 21, 2016 at 2:14 pm #

        “Explain why this didn’t happen in the early ’50’s when the top rate was 93%…was it that magic 2% that proved unpalatable?”

        Almost exactly. Except:

        (Starting with 1955, the first year “married filing jointly” is a separate category — it’s in the fist columns in the charts, so the easiest to track visually)

        1955 $400K and over 91%
        1956 ” ”
        1957 ” ”
        1958 ” ”
        1959 ” ”
        1960 ” ”
        1961 ” ”
        1962 ” ”
        1963 ” ”
        1964 ” 77%
        1965 ” 70%
        1966 $200K and over 70%
        1967 ” ”
        1968 ” ”
        1969 ” ”
        1970 ” ”
        1971 ” ”
        1972 ” ”
        1973 ” ”
        1974 ” ”
        1975 ” ”
        1976 ” ”
        1977 $203,200 plus ”
        1978 ” ”
        1979 $215,400 plus ”
        1980 ” ” (Reagan elected)
        1981 ” ”
        1982 $85,600 plus 50.0%

        And so it goes until . . .

        2012 $388,350 plus 35.0%

        And then, as a result of the American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012 (which set in stone the Bush reductions for rich folks)

        2013 $450,000 plus 39.6%

        • Doug January 21, 2016 at 5:31 pm #

          Of course, that doesn’t account for inflation, but that’s just simple math.

          Add a hefty wealth tax and a positively confiscatory estate tax (say 100% of everything over $2-5 million) and we’d not only be able to deal with basic inequities, we could also start to reduce the influence of the oligarchy on our governments.

          And for those of you who firmly believe that we’d have no progress or “job creation” without the incentive of obscene wealth and power, you just need to learn that, unlike yourselves, many people (probably a majority) have other reasons to work, create, cultivate, repair . . . healthier and more wholesome reasons, in fact.

          • Q. Shtik January 21, 2016 at 6:29 pm #

            During the coming administration Doug will be the decider of what constitutes a good valid healthier and more wholesome reason to work and you can be sure it won’t be for money. OMG, the chutzpah!

          • Janos Skorenzy January 21, 2016 at 8:39 pm #

            He’s douging our collective grave.

  116. wpa_ccc January 20, 2016 at 8:39 pm #

    Matthew MacWilliams sampled 1,800 voters across the country and discovered, that a “single statistically significant variable predicts whether a voter supports Trump—and it’s not race, income or education levels: It’s authoritarianism..”

    What does he mean by “authoritarianism”?

    Authoritarianism is not a new, untested concept in the American electorate. Since the rise of Nazi Germany, it has been one of the most widely studied ideas in social science. While its causes are still debated, the political behavior of authoritarians is not. Authoritarians obey. They rally to and follow strong leaders. And they respond aggressively to outsiders, especially when they feel threatened. From pledging to “make America great again” by building a wall on the border to promising to close mosques and ban Muslims from visiting the United States, Trump is playing directly to authoritarian inclinations.

  117. wpa_ccc January 20, 2016 at 8:52 pm #

    Let’s pretend Trump can drop a fist and have the gigantic facilities needed to create Apple’s products in the USA up and running in time for the iPhone 8.

    And hey, the production of these factories will have created tens of thousands of jobs in America, so we’re already ahead of the game.

    A few people did some very loose math, and it determined that the end-user cost of an iPhone built in the U.S. as opposed to abroad in China would be about $1,300, or twice what it is today.

    That estimate is wildly conservative. It’s based on factory laborers working at minimum wage for eight hours a day, five days a week. Sadly, it doesn’t take into account the added cost of running a facility like this in the U.S. Or the added labor Apple would need if workers were to only have eight-hour shifts. Or of shipping materials and components to the U.S. instead of China and Brazil. Or a dozen other things.

    Long story short, pretty much no one would be able to afford Trump’s magnificent U.S.-made iPhone. But since when is anything Trump says rooted in reality?

    • nsa January 20, 2016 at 9:26 pm #

      You are such a phony turd. The apple crap trinkets are made with child labor, slave labor, sweatshop labor….ALL THE PRACTICES BANNED IN CIVILIZED SOCIETIES…..through subs of course to provide a little plausible deniability so you libs need not feel any guilt while watching gay porn on your i-crap. The subs have installed barriers on the roofs of their toxic plants so the 13 year olds can’t escape by jumping off, as so many sought relief through death.

  118. Buck Stud January 20, 2016 at 9:12 pm #

    Are you talking about Hemingway?–BRH

    Are you suicidal? And attracted to young girls as a desperate alternative? Or are you not White too? Or not an aging White male?–Janos.

    According to Dr. Carl Clark, white men over 65 have three times the suicide rate of any other group and eight times the suicide rate of women over 65.

    And Colorado State University psychology professor Silvia Sara Canetto asserts:

    “…Still, older white men tend to end their own lives despite bearing fewer of the burdens that come with aging.

    For instance, they are less likely to experience widowhood and have better physical health and fewer disabilities than older women. They also have more economic resources than ethnic minority older men, and than older women across ethnicities, according to Canetto.

    But white men may be less psychologically equipped to deal with the normal challenges of aging, likely because of their privilege up until late adulthood, she said.

    A white man’s “psychological brittleness and vulnerability” to suicide make them vulnerable to a masculine outlook that implicitly justifies, and even glorifies, suicide among men, Canetto said”

    • Janos Skorenzy January 21, 2016 at 12:22 am #

      So you are dealing with your suicidal tendencies, I ask again. Or are you not White? Aging? Male? Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.

    • malthuss January 21, 2016 at 10:15 am #

      ‘White [fixed that] men may be less psychologically equipped to deal with the normal challenges of aging, likely because of their privilege up until late adulthood, she said.

      And what Privilege is that? And why did it evaporate?

      Are YOU privileged?

    • seawolf77 January 21, 2016 at 10:38 am #

      Loneliness is what kills them.

      • Q. Shtik January 21, 2016 at 1:44 pm #

        I think it’s got to do with running out of lead in your pencil and realizing oysters don’t actually work. There goes your raison d’etre ……. unless you’re Janos and have the N-words, Jews and Mexicans to give your life meaning.

        • Janos Skorenzy January 21, 2016 at 8:37 pm #

          That’s just more of your whitesplaining, Q. Your denial of your racism is just confirmation of it. On the other hand, my proud admission of it is simply normal and natural. All racists, of whatever color, understand each other. But you want to be the white thing under the rock. So be it.


          • Buck Stud January 21, 2016 at 9:00 pm #

            Palin is poison in a general election setting. But for the GOP primary, she’s perfect.

            In other words, after she’s served her purpose she will be fired by “The Donald”.

          • Buck Stud January 21, 2016 at 9:19 pm #

            I obviously posted the Palin comment in the wrong place. Anyway, so far I don’t feel suicidal. But as the wise man said, ‘never say never’. I suppose I sort of feel obligated to see it thru as it were. Even when I metaphorically feel like “A Man Called Horse” hanging high above the ground by eagle talons piercing the pectoralis major muscle group.

            Personally, no ‘lead in the pencil’ doesn’t seem like a very good reason to commit suicide. If it’s that important to a man they could surely seek medical assistance and even shoot some medicine into Johnson Flaccid if worse comes to worse.

            As far as “white privilege”, I’m sure Janos would agree. Of course not for the same reasons. Janos would claim innate intelligence advantages for whites while the above sources would cite ‘economic determinism’ etc.

            I think Seawolf hit the bulls eye.

  119. Q. Shtik January 20, 2016 at 9:54 pm #

    Good stuff Q – Buck


    Thanks for the kind words Buck. If I can ever figure out how to do it I’ll be posting up some pics.

  120. Pucker January 20, 2016 at 10:24 pm #

    I can’t wait….

    “On the Wednesday, January 20 worldwide broadcast of the Alex Jones Show, we’ll look at the rigged stock market plummeting along with oil prices, as economists warn of a global wave of epic debt defaults. On today’s show, we’ll also air our powerful sit-down interview with the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan, in which the Nation of Islam leader speaks out on varied topics, such as Donald Trump’s comments on Muslims, the contrived race war, the brutal takedown of Libyan Col. Muammar Gadhafi at the hands of Hillary Clinton and a whole lot more. Tell your friends and family to tune in from 11am to 3pm as Infowars attempts to break the establishment’s conditioning.”

  121. MisterDarling January 21, 2016 at 1:07 am #

    @ FitM;

    RE | “Since all transportation indexes reflect the price of shipping in US dollars (not the volume), how much the price of oil that has fallen almost 3 times could reflect on such index?”-f.

    You seem to be a little confused about the Baltic Dry Index and where it fits in as a useful statistic. Luckily, _Business Insider_ (and many other well-known publications) lay it all out for us:


    Take-Away Quote: “If you’ve got more ships than there are cargos, then freight rates are going to be weak – it’s that simple.”

    Yep, that’s the beauty of using shipping stats to cross-reference other market indicators. Shipping stats are hard to game and the people compiling them have little interest in gaming them. Transportation people tend to be a hard-boiled lot, after all. That’s why I’ve been using them to cut through the financialized fog for 20 years.

    But this is article is interesting in more than one way: we are now at that juicy juncture in the death of a regime when a lot of FREE STUFF can be had for a little skillful work – if one is so inclined. As Viktor Bout’s dramatized facsimile put it so well (while standing in a Red Army depot in Ukraine: “The people who know don’t care, and the people who care don’t know!”

    Bottom-line is this: a lot of property is getting *abandoned* because the ‘owners’ can’t make payments on it. This trend will grow. Right now there’s a little ‘golden gap’ between the market system failing and the public panicking. But they will – when the stores they rely on ‘stock out’ of basic staples and paychecks stop.

    But then again, we’ve seen something like this happen before, have we not?



    • FincaInTheMountains January 21, 2016 at 2:58 am #

      Right now there’s a little ‘golden gap’ between the market system failing and the public panicking

      You seem to be thoroughly avoiding my question: how the fuel price affects the shipping indices, without missing the opportunity to push the collapse agenda.

      Luckily, wikinvest clarifies the mystery for us:

      Bunker Prices – Bunker fuel is a type of fuel oil a ship uses for propulsion. Bunker fuel accounts for between a quarter and a third of vessel operating costs. Lower crude oil prices also mean lower bunker fuel prices which will be reflected in lower BDI prices.


  122. FincaInTheMountains January 21, 2016 at 4:12 am #

    Financial crisis mechanism of expropriation has been created and was ready for use, but because of its potential immense power banksters themselves could not allow the victory of each other in the fight for this lever.

    Almost all of the new century was spent on ongoing war between bankster coalitions for access to the levers of the FED, or at least prevent the most predatory of them to those levers, while the rest were busy creating an alternative in the form of the BRICS Bank with its “paper gold” instead of the dollar.

    And then, frightened by that new IMF, urgently created an alternative to that alternative in form of ABII in support of “external dollar”.

    By the way, the American famous maxim “boundless freedom, limited by freedom of others”, is more accurately translated as “boundless greed, limited by greed of others”.

    This is the formula of the American success, but it also explains the failure of the most powerful financial and political system to achieve the world domination.

    And even if in the Kremlin and the White House all political niches are occupied by agents of influence of the banksters coalitions, they will still push to the center politicians symbolizing the survival instinct of the entire elite. They themselves can’t cope with their own boundless greed on a daily basis, and with similar boundless greed of their competitors, so they delegate the power to politician associated with intelligence services, such as George Bush Sr. and his sons in US or Putin in Russia.

  123. FincaInTheMountains January 21, 2016 at 4:42 am #

    “pretty much no one would be able to afford Trump’s magnificent U.S.-made iPhone” – wpa

    Unfortunately, I have to agree with wpa on that. No matter how paradoxical it may sound, the industrial capital tends to destroy more jobs than it could create due to necessary increased levels of automation.

    May be we should revisit the results of dot-com boom of the 90s, when along with purely negative consequences of over-production of money due to unlimited greed of banksters and politicians associated with them, the finance capital managed to create practically unlimited number of well-paying jobs in Informational Superhighway project and around it and achieve unprecedented levels of prosperity, even if just for one short decade.

    It is true that more than 99% of those projects turned out to be “blanks”, but even 1% of successful projects managed to bring the humanity on qualitatively new level of development.

  124. Pucker January 21, 2016 at 6:16 am #

    For a saloon hooker, Miss Kitty gave Marshal Dillon a lot of sound advice even though she made many bad decisions in her own life.

    Miss Kitty was a proto-feminist.

    • elysianfield January 21, 2016 at 11:32 am #

      Actually, Miss Kitty was in management….

  125. Janos Skorenzy January 21, 2016 at 6:23 am #


    Don’t vote for Ted unless your name is Doug or you are intent on digging our grave.

  126. BackRowHeckler January 21, 2016 at 7:19 am #

    Got a snowstorm coming.

    Wait and See. If there is a precipitous drop in the markets today, it will be blamed on the snowstorm.

    Lot of reassuring voices amongst the ‘experts’ in the business media on the markets “a unique buying opportunity”, “don’t sell now”, “ride it out”, you get the picture, more like shills than experts giving sound advice.


  127. FincaInTheMountains January 21, 2016 at 9:58 am #

    “dollar vacuum cleaner will work to full capacity” == me

    It appears that US Party of War having failed to start a decent conflict between Russia and Ukraine or Russia and Turkey, has decided to hook Russian Ruble not to a vacuum cleaner, but to a full-blown mega-tornado.


    Most danger is presented to multiple Moscow-based comprador https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprador businesses – tourism, clothing and food imports, auto imports.

    They are sacrificing their main anti-Putin base in Russia.

  128. seawolf77 January 21, 2016 at 10:37 am #

    No one really likes her and no one really trusts her. Same problem Al Gore had. Life is ultimately a popularity contest. Completely arbitrary and capricious. Imagine 8 years of Gore instead of 8 years of Bush. What would this world look like now?

    • Frankiti January 21, 2016 at 5:25 pm #

      How is trustworthiness and likability capricious? Perhaps if someone said they didn’t like Fred Rogers or mistrusted the Dalai Lama we could call into question their reasoning, but when you are talking about 2 career politicians with documented character flaws and misdeeds littering their wake, well, really?

      It’s not a popularity contest, it’s an accountability contest

  129. fodase January 21, 2016 at 11:00 am #

    fodase, we are talking about 0.1% of the population.

    the million-job killing effect in bill gate’s case still holds.

    with all the associated loss in tax revenues that you now can’t get from millions of folks in the other 99.5% you magically continue to milk taxes from

    bottom line reality:

    he gets rich, millions get wealthy, rich, much better off, better off, and financially self-sufficient along with him, in that order

    hell, he even made your beloved gov’t much more efficient with his software

    get real

  130. FincaInTheMountains January 21, 2016 at 3:14 pm #

    The greatest mystery and the greatest threat to humanity

    That is, if the Chinese will find out that rice is just a side dish…

  131. MisterDarling January 21, 2016 at 3:28 pm #

    @ “FitM”:

    RE | “You seem to be thoroughly avoiding my question: how the fuel price affects the shipping indices, without missing the opportunity to push the collapse agenda”-f.

    The reason I didn’t address the issue of fuel price is because it’s not the root cause of shipping activity flat-lining, loss of demand is. The fact that fuel prices are cheaper than dirt and shipping activity continues to drop only reinforces that conclusion – which is shared by industry leaders (re: Maersk, etc.). You’d know that it you read at least halfway through the article.

    I gave ‘you’ the benefit of the doubt and engaged you in good faith, but I’ve noticed that you drop the ‘Russian-first-language-speaker’ subterfuge when we start locking horns. As a matter of fact, you start sounding and ‘reasoning’ exactly like another time-waster on CFN, and I’ll have nothing to do with that.


    • Frankiti January 21, 2016 at 5:30 pm #

      I am convinced there are multiple avatars here. It’s the Phil Hendrie Show in here… not sure who is the real straight man though.

  132. FincaInTheMountains January 21, 2016 at 3:50 pm #

    China has dealt a significant blow to the United States devaluating Yuan by 15%, which contributed to strengthening of US Dollar and the falling oil price.

    Few hours ago, China announced that it will no longer devalue Yuan, which could likely mean a concession to the US on a number of issues, including the refusal to support the policy of oil dumping pursued by Saudi Arabia.


    Cautiously expecting the DOW to rise through the end of the week

  133. FincaInTheMountains January 21, 2016 at 4:50 pm #

    “you drop the ‘Russian-first-language-speaker’ subterfuge” — MD

    Shakespeare’s Sonnet 130 in English:


    Same in Russian:


    I always was convinced that in Russian translation Shakespeare sounds better than in original…

  134. Q. Shtik January 21, 2016 at 6:12 pm #

    This is old news by now but I can’t let it pass without mention. Have you heard the actual words, the ‘sentences” used by Sarah Palin to endorse Trump. If not, take a look here.


    Given his own rhetorical gifts, Trump may be the only human outside the Palin household who could understand what this woman is talking about. I mean, sure, she has great facial bone structure, she IS pretty, but what a scatter-brained airhead! What the hell was McCain THINKING?

    • elysianfield January 21, 2016 at 7:23 pm #

      What I saw of the taped endorsement horrified me… Palin’s rant was incoherent.

    • Frankiti January 21, 2016 at 7:38 pm #

      Tits? Check! Fogs a mirror? Check! Has an ‘R’ next to her name? Check!

    • Janos Skorenzy January 21, 2016 at 8:43 pm #

      Commencing countdown, engines on.

  135. Frankiti January 21, 2016 at 7:36 pm #

    Seeking, and obtaining, the endorsement of Palin, McCain’s herpetic contribution to American politics, is easily his stupidest move yet. She’s worthless.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 21, 2016 at 8:45 pm #

      As a running mate – yeah. As a cheerleader? Formidable.

  136. fodase January 21, 2016 at 7:36 pm #

    Explain why this didn’t happen in the early ’50’s when the top rate was 93%…was it that magic 2% that proved unpalatable?

    you can bet that virtually no income was taxed at 93% because the wealthy folks’ tax attorneys knew how to avoid it.

    you are a major league fool to believe that the very rich paid 93% income tax while creating gargantuan industries and turning the US into the powerhouse it still is. that they generated billions and billions in profits and sent 93% to uncle sam willingly.

    fairy tale thinking

    it’s great to see folks who know exactly how much is enough for everyone, above which everything should be confiscated.

    some people have the gift of making money for themselves while making lots of people lots of money in the process

    you’d love to quash that and condemn everyone to equal misery

    please stay away from politics, we need to reward winners, not more irs dolt types

    • Janos Skorenzy January 21, 2016 at 8:47 pm #

      He doesn’t even believe in the nation state. So what does he want to replace it with? The Hunting Band? The Tribe? The Chiefdom? Crickets.

      He is no doubt a secret globalist. A Davos Devotee.

    • elysianfield January 22, 2016 at 12:29 pm #

      fodase, et al,

      Major league fool
      Fairy tale thinking
      everything should be confiscated
      love to quash and condemn
      Irs dolt types
      Doesn’t believe in nation state
      Secret globalist
      Davos Devotee

      WTF? You opine that 95% taxation would have existential consequences, I pointed out that we have been there before, without the predicted drama. My post was without comment, endorsement, nor qualification…just a historical fact presented as a counterpoint.

      You, and Skorenzy must be talented hieromancers to divine such personality flaws from the weak tea leaves I offered. The great majority of my posts are asides… informational or whimsical… counterpoint or corroborative, often with historical references…neither of you should take offense…you really don’t know what I believe, and, inshallah, neither does the NSA.

  137. Pucker January 21, 2016 at 11:18 pm #

    This might be a good course for Hillary Clinton to take?

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    Mitigating risk”

  138. Q. Shtik January 22, 2016 at 12:22 am #

    1. A Texas woman (big hair, twangy voice), owner of an oil field supply company, interviewed on CNBC today described the situation for the past year “catastrophic.” Sales down 90%. Oil field workers, the sons of oil field workers, know nothing else and they’re losing their jobs.

    2. David Stockman (see Contra Corner blog) who tears the pundits on “bubblevision” (his name for CNBC) a new asshole almost daily appeared on that show today and delivered a non-stop rant on the dire financial condition of the entire globe.

  139. wpa_ccc January 22, 2016 at 1:24 am #

    “Oil field workers, the sons of oil field workers, know nothing else and they’re losing their jobs.” –Q

    Cry me a river. They “know nothing else” … give me a break. Anyone stupid enough not to have seen we are transitioning away from fossil fuels to alternative energy deserves to lose their jobs.

    Oil field workers make over $100,000 a year. If they haven’t set aside any savings or pension money in all their years of high earnings, they are irresponsible. They can sell one of their Ford F-350s… they won’t starve. If they get desperate, they will be applying for unemployment benefits, food stamps, welfare, etc. We have a social safety net for people who lose their jobs and need to transition, though the Republicans want to destroy all entitlements and all humane public assistance.

    • Q. Shtik January 22, 2016 at 8:15 am #

      They can sell one of their Ford F-350s… – wpa


      To whom?

      • wpa_ccc January 22, 2016 at 5:21 pm #

        To non-oil field industry workers. Houston is full of ’em and they love Ford F-350s.

  140. wpa_ccc January 22, 2016 at 1:42 am #

    “David Stockman delivered a non-stop rant on the dire financial condition of the entire globe.” — Q

    And you believe him? The kind of month we’ve just experienced in the stock market is something that, on average, occurs about once every two and a half years. The history of the stock market makes two points clear: 1) Volatility is normal. 2) Waiting it out pays off.

    If you believe Stockman, you should be in full panic mode right now, ignoring history completely. We have good historical stock market data going back to 1871 which says we should not panic. Chill out, Q. Rants change nothing.

    • Q. Shtik January 22, 2016 at 8:27 am #

      The kind of month we’ve just experienced in the stock market is something that, on average, occurs about once every two and a half years. – wpa


      After the crash and the great depression it took the DOW 25 years (till 1954) to regain its 1929 high point. In the long run we are all dead.

      But, with your cheery temperament, you should take some of that bundle out of the credit union and “buy the dip.”

    • Q. Shtik January 22, 2016 at 9:00 am #

      Chill out, Q. – wpa


      I’m already chilled, I went 75% into cash last March. Now I’m in vindication mode.

  141. FincaInTheMountains January 22, 2016 at 1:43 am #

    President Putin ‘probably’ approved Litvinenko murder


    Putin renewed accusations of poisoning death of former Russian agent Alexander Litvinenko indicate that the Money Changers of the City of London are concerned about the outlined compromise between Russia and the Obama administration and simply are trying to “poison the well”.

  142. FincaInTheMountains January 22, 2016 at 2:28 am #

    Who is Mr. Putin

    Yeltsin, as a competent manager, saw his term draws to an end and he must do something. Put on top of a man who can tame (and reconcile) various warring clans and lead them. He stared and tried (Chernomyrdin, Primakov, Stepashin), but all was not it.

    And someone suggested that there was a group in St. Petersburg, which correctly resolves conflicts between the city’s warring clans, and it was led by Vladimir Putin. Before Putin, St. Petersburg was like Chicago during the Prohibition in the 1920s.

    Waiting for Yeltsin was no longer possible. He was not wrong. Putin has become the leader who gradually took the reins of Russia into his hands.

    Now Putin is doing the same but on the global level. He shows all main world elites that he is the man who can serve as a guarantor of conflict-free and bloodless resolutions of tension nodes that have developed in the world between national comprador businesses and main banksters clans or the “deciders”, same as he or the Bush family.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 22, 2016 at 4:09 am #

      How would you advise Chile and Argentina who are in danger of losing Patagonia to the Zionists? Do you think Putin would be willing to help?


    • Doug January 22, 2016 at 5:26 pm #

      “Yeltsin, as a competent manager. . .”

      Hah. Yeltsin was a drunken fool and a shill for the Western elites and the oligarchs privatizing Russia’s treasure for a kopek on the ruble.

      Putin, OTOH, is an impressive and skilled leader and negotiator — for a politician, of course.

      • FincaInTheMountains January 22, 2016 at 5:58 pm #

        My family closely knew Yeltsin – he was in civil construction business in Sverdlovsk (Yekaterinburg). He rapidly ascended from General Manager of large construction company, to the first secretary of Regional Committee of the Communist Party – the first person in a very important Ural region.

        He was a competent, no BS manager, one of the best first secretaries we ever had. He never was rumored to be a drunk.

        In 1985 he was taken to Moscow to head the Moscow Committee of the Communist Party, automatically becoming a member of Politburo.

        What happened to him there is a long story, but one thing is becoming clear now: Yeltsin, with all problems he had, played a crucial role in preserving the unity of the Russian Federation – it was under a danger of splitting apart into 18 different regions.

        Just a few weeks ago Putin participated in opening a first in Russia Presidential Library dedicated to the memory of Yeltsin in Yekaterinburg.

  143. FincaInTheMountains January 22, 2016 at 2:47 am #

    Wouldn’t surprise me if Donald Trump gets elected. he’ll get behind him the resources of the Bush Clan (just like Obama did) – after all Donald turned out to be a better spokesman than Jeff.

    Obama-Friendly Lehman Bros. to file Chapter 11 bankruptcy

    Lehman Bros was taken down because it was used by the Bush Clan to channel funds to Obama campaign in 2008.

  144. BackRowHeckler January 22, 2016 at 7:09 am #

    How are things going over in Davos?

    The Big Week is almost ended and The Luminaries are summing up, huddling together and formulating a list of Edicts, which will be presented shortly.

    Number One Edict:

    Western Europe, Canada and the United States must open their borders and accept as many Muslim immigrants from Africa, the Middle East and Central Asia as want to come, all 2 billion if necessary. Prosperity and growth, indeed, the future of the world depends on this one point.

    Heed this edict or else!

    Picture a pack of well groomed Hyenas, gorging on fresh meat, in a resort in the Swiss Alps, pausing for a moment to cast a jaundiced over Europe, over the entire earth.

    The Day of the Hyena is upon us.


    • malthuss January 22, 2016 at 11:43 am #

      Where will the 1% escape to? South America, Australia?

      • BackRowHeckler January 22, 2016 at 12:04 pm #

        At their Redoubt, in the Alps.


      • wpa_ccc January 22, 2016 at 4:47 pm #

        Paraguay. Because it has the largest fresh water reserves in the world, and more importantly for the 1% Paraguay has no extradition.

        • malthuss January 23, 2016 at 3:07 am #

          Canada has the most fresh water, imo.
          1/5 of all the fresh water on Earth.

      • Doug January 22, 2016 at 10:54 pm #

        As I keep explaining, it doesn’t matter where they go to escape. They will only be safe until their guards decide that the time has come to point their weapons inward.

  145. BackRowHeckler January 22, 2016 at 7:30 am #

    Lookee here, trouble brewing in Moldova, potentially Big Trouble!

    Something to do with bankers, not exactly clear to me, but tens of thousands of people in the street.

    What makes this interesting is that Moldova is often cited as the next country the Russian Army moves into, and takes over.

    This event may serve as the catalyst to kick off the whole show. Wait and see.


    • Doug January 22, 2016 at 10:51 pm #

      The protesters are mostly socialists and ex-communists who are fed up with corruption in what happens to be a pro-EU government and they want new elections.

      The EU is in no shape to help. The sensible thing to do would be to hold those elections before the situation gets totally out of control and we have reverse-Kiev breakdown.

      Russia has no real interest in invading Moldova, but it won’t let the ethnic Russians of Trans-Dniester be tramped in the conflict, so it could, at least conceivably happen — if the pro-EU government is dumb enough to refuse to call elections.

  146. fodase January 22, 2016 at 7:35 am #

    wpa, i agree that the oilfield workers who know nothing else…..need to learn something else.

    gimme a break, are we supposed to feel sorry for them?

    adversity is a great teacher

    necessity is the mother of invention

    they’ll be back earning 100k in 3-4 years after the current shale bashdown is over anyway

  147. FincaInTheMountains January 22, 2016 at 7:43 am #

    Oil rise by more than 5%. Russian Ruble reversed its slide – down to 79 from high of 85. DOW futures show positive trend.

    Liberal hyenas that are predicting “The Days of the Hyena upon us” will look ridiculous.

  148. fodase January 22, 2016 at 7:49 am #

    the scaremongers always look ridiculous in hindsight. there may be a few exceptions

    mankind progresses forward , at least in the West

    DOW 36,000 will be a reality

    JHK’s grandiose predictions (some minor ones have panned out) will not.

    • Q. Shtik January 22, 2016 at 9:30 am #

      the scaremongers always look ridiculous in hindsight. – fodase


      All financial concerns disappeared overnight: Asia, Europe, Dow futures and oil all surge.

      • Q. Shtik January 22, 2016 at 11:04 am #

        the scaremongers always look ridiculous in hindsight. – fodase


        Let’s see if Stockman is a better prognosticator than JHK. He has gone way out on a slender limb. He predicts Amazon stock price will begin a crash on or about Jan 28th. Amazon reports its earnings after the market close that day.

        I forget the details but I think he said down 70% in 11 months.

        • malthuss January 22, 2016 at 11:44 am #

          So Dow will be 5000, again.
          During the 2008-9 crisis, Dow was in that general range.

          • Q. Shtik January 22, 2016 at 3:12 pm #

            How do you get DOW 5000 from a prediction concerning Amazon, a single stock?

          • malthuss January 23, 2016 at 3:08 am #

            I forget the details but I think he said down 70% in 11 months.