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Not to put too fine a point on it, America coughed up Hillary Clinton like a hairball last week — the catch being it then had to swallow the Cheeto-colored bolus called Donald Trump. It was worth it to see the fog of Hillary-smuggery lift across the cable TV networks since the “I’m With Her / It’s Her Turn” fog was a cover for the looting operation that the permanent Washington DC establishment had turned into, including the Clinton Foundation.

Obviously, the nation is reeling from this emetic, struggling to process the meaning of it all. The big “tell” for me came at a moment in last week’s Slate Political Gabfest, a leftish-oriented podcast, when moderator David Plotz asked his sidekicks John Dickerson (of CBS News) and Emily Bazelon (of The NY Times) what the Democratic Party might do to regain legitimacy after this electoral disaster. Dead silence on the air. Nothing came to mind.

Something came to my mind as a long-time disaffected (registered) Democrat: jettison the stupid identity politics and get back to reality. Alas, that may be too much to ask. For now, the party lies in ruins without a single figure of stature to represent a coherent set of ideas other than boosting the self-esteem of its favor-seeking constituent groups. Here’s my idea: how about forming a credible opposition to the so-called Deep State, the matrix of racketeering and empire-building that has drained the life out of this polity. That was impossible with the racketeer-in-chief leading the blue electoral ticket, but now the dynamic stands naked and obvious, answering the question: what to do next?

Another catch, of course, is that opposing the Deep State of Rackets is pretty much what Mr. Trump has promised to do, if “draining the swamp” means anything. He never quite articulated it clearly beyond that metaphor, but you can bet that’s what the DC establishment is so alarmed about. Trump’s behavior on the campaign trail is now being hailed in the media as a kind of genius. To me, it still seems oafish to an extreme, and it remains to be seen how such a blunderer might finesse our escape from the empire of rackets and the racket of empire. He begins to look like a man in a tunnel staring down the harsh light of the onrushing gravy train.

Mr. Trump might not know it yet, but his chief task will be managing contraction. It would appear to be problematic, since his chief promise — “to make America great again” — is based on restarting the epic expansions of the 19th and 20th centuries. Well, things have changed. This is no longer a virgin continent filled with motherlodes, untapped oil bonanzas, and fabulous soils begging to be exploited. In fact, we’re close to being played out where those resources are concerned. And the techno-industrial economy engineered out of those assets is wobbling badly.

There is a Great Wish that this system might be replaced just-in-time with some as-yet-unrealized Green Alt Economy of solar-charged driverless electric cars — but, of course, the unchallenged pathetic idiocy of the assumed car dependence at the center of this fantasy ought to tell you how exactly unreal it is. The contraction we face has mandates of its own, and it doesn’t include the continuation of Happy Motoring on any terms. I’m quite certain that the Trump forces haven’t even imagined it.

I would propose three meta-matters in consideration of how America might survive the disorders of the Long Emergency: the financialization of the economy, the burdens of empire, and the fiasco of our suburban living arrangement.

The financialization of the economy is already playing into its disastrous climax as I write, with bond markets tanking all over the planet. What this means is that the long-ignored chickens of risk associated with debt are coming home to roost. As they do, they are going to shit over everything on the financial landscape. Industrial societies have been borrowing from the future to a grotesque degree for decades, pretending that these debts were assets rather than liabilities. That perception is about to change, and with it an enormous amount of presumed notional wealth is going to disappear. That will manifest in rising bond yields (and falling bond values), cratering currencies, panicked capital flows, banking emergencies, and weird action in markets. If that seems too metaphysical, you can also think of it as contracting economies and the withering of global trade relations. There’s also the chance it will express itself in kinetic conflict, i.e. war.

My sense of things is that this meta-predicament alone could overwhelm the Trump government from the very start. We could have problems with money orders of magnitude worse than anything FDR faced in 1933, with bank closures, the seizing of accounts, and the paralysis of everyday business. That would easily lead to civil disorders, a breakdown in law, and the immiseration of most Americans. It could also lead to previously-unimagined political outcomes, such as a discontinuity of government. This is connected with the second meta-problem, the burdens of empire.

The USA is squandering its vitality trying to maintain a half-assed global empire of supposed interests, economic, ideological, and existential. Lately, this hapless project has only resulted in wars with no end in places we don’t belong. It includes reckless experiments such as the promotion of regime change (Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, Egypt, Syria), and senseless, provocative exercises such as the use of NATO forces to run war games near Russia’s border. The monetary cost of all this is off the hook, of course, redounding to the financial mess. Reining in these imperial impulses could be on the Trump agenda, but his own gold-plated imperial pretensions suggest that he might actually make the situation worse by conflating a reduction of our empire with a loss of the very “greatness” he wants to reclaim. As it happens, America may be forced by economic circumstances to yield the burdens of empire. The world is about to become a bigger place again as globalism winds down and the larger nations establish more realistic spheres of influence. We better get with the program.

Thirdly comes the question of how Americans inhabit the terrain: the suburban fiasco and all its accessories and furnishings. You can just stick a fork in that. The great project awaiting this country is how we might redistribute our people into re-scaled walkable communities with re-localized economies, including re-scaled agriculture. It’s going to happen whether we like it or not. It’s only a matter of how disorderly the process may be. Obviously all the suburban crapola out there also represents a tremendous load of presumed wealth. The vested “value” in suburban houses alone is the underlayment of structured finance. There is almost no conscious political awareness in any party — including the Greens — as to how we might attempt to work this out.

But, for example, and for a start, Mr. Trump might consider the effect that national chain “Big Box” shopping has had on Main Street America. It literally destroyed local commercial economies all over the land, and with it numberless vocational niches and social roles in communities. He can’t sign an edict against the Big Box empire, but his people might start imagining the process of rebuilding local networks of commerce and actively de-incentivizing the Big Box business model. That model has many other ways to fail, incidentally, and already is failing to some degree between the impoverishment of its customers and the growing problems with global supply lines. But anything that might lubricate the transition would be better than the stark collapse of the current arrangement.

The chatter this week has been all about the upcoming “infrastructure” orgy that Trump will undertake. That depends first of all on how badly the financial sector cracks up. I hope we do not squander more of our dwindling capital on the accessories of car dependence, because that addiction is on the way out. One thing Mr. Trump might get behind is restoring the passenger railroads of America so that we can at least get around the continental nation when the Happy Motoring fiesta grinds to a halt. It would put an awful lot of people to work on something with real long-term benefit — it ties into the restoration of Main Street towns and their economies — and it is a do-able project that might give us the needed encouragement to get on with the many other necessary projects awaiting our attention.

In case you were wondering, I was not jumping up and down cheering the Trump victory, amazing as it was. I figured the good news was that Hillary lost and the bad news was that Trump won. Now, we just have to roll with it.

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532 Responses to “What Now?”

  1. Cold N. Holefield November 14, 2016 at 9:42 am #

    CNN is sulking this morning and Fox News is beaming with pride & gloating. Both are deluded & delusional. We were always screwed either way and in large part, it’s because most Americans are Malformed via a Human Potential Neutering Education System and Misinformed via a Propagandistic Corporate-Controlled Media that has turned News into Entertainment……

    America should have died long ago, about the same time The Soviet Union did, but the Cancer Patient found some miraculous Chemo that put its Cancer in remission for a while. That’s the key phrase — for a while. The effects of the Chemo have come back to haunt the patient. The Patient‘s various vital organs have been ravaged & decimated, and this past Tuesday, The Patient, meaning America, finally passed away for good…..

    OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!!!!!!!!

    America Is Dead

    • K-Dog November 14, 2016 at 10:10 am #

      American is not yet dead. This is just a grand mal seizure which will be over as soon as America bites off its tongue. Then President Pence will get his turn to try and do us in by restructuring the debt one last time and sticking it to the people.

      • orbit7er November 14, 2016 at 10:35 am #

        Yep Trump is already facing multiple lawsuits for Trump University and a whole assortment of his crooked enterprises which could likely result in grounds for impeachment…

        • K-Dog November 14, 2016 at 11:00 am #

          From your article.

          Trump University “playbooks,” unsealed in June, exposed how employees were instructed to “[prey] upon the elderly and uneducated to separate them from their money,” as one former sales manager put it.

          Ah, and this is the philosophy behind which restructuring of social security will be accomplished!

          The problem is once Trump gets in charge of our men in black any legal troubles will be made to go away rather quickly.

          Open surveillance is very threatening the first time it happens to you and most of America is ignorant of the fact that 9-11 lead to the refinement of a very sophisticated secret police network in America. It sits on ice waiting to be de-thawed. Obama uses it but he has used it quietly, being careful to keep its existence under the radar. Once Trump gets rolling all the ‘stops’ will come off. To Trump winning will not be about policy or power, it will be about making liberals cry.

    • nsa November 14, 2016 at 10:12 am #

      Motrin would probably help with your PMS cramp discomfort…..

    • consultant13 November 14, 2016 at 11:53 am #

      ??? America is The Walking Dead.

    • lsjogren November 15, 2016 at 12:23 am #

      We’re still alive because we have an economic system that can produce prosperity so long as there are affordable natural resources.

      Socialist countries have the great talent that they create collapsed economies even when affordable natural resources are available.

      Eventually there won’t be affordable natural resources and our system won’t save us.

    • Helix November 17, 2016 at 2:58 pm #

      Re “OH MY F****** GOD!!!!!!!!!! America Is Dead”

      There are things that are worse than death. Much worse. We may be getting ready to find this out through personal experience.

  2. Lawfish November 14, 2016 at 9:45 am #

    “One thing Mr. Trump might get behind is restoring the passenger railroads of America so that we can at least get around the continental nation when the Happy Motoring fiesta grinds to a halt.”

    Amen, brother! I would so love to see train travel return as a viable means of traveling long distances. Unfortunately, I don’t think the upcoming administration sees that kind of a project as making America great.

    • shotho November 14, 2016 at 10:20 am #

      Yes, I agree, this was the best part of today’s blog. A good rail passenger system, inter and intra urban, would do more for our society and economy than anything else. It won’t be done (until forced) and would anyone ride it anyway?

      • Frankiti November 14, 2016 at 5:44 pm #

        A society ensconced in terminal cognitive dissonance? That can barely conceal, and lately, can’t, the hate it feels for the other.

        Yeah, sure.

      • sharonsj November 15, 2016 at 5:07 pm #

        I wish it could be so. However, a lot of train tracks were ripped out. For twenty years there’s been talk of creating a direct rail route from Scranton to NYC, but no one has gotten the state and federal governments to figure out how to lay down new tracks to replace what’s missing. And many of the wonderful old railroad stations in the hinterlands are now private residences or shopping malls.

    • Beryl of Oyl November 14, 2016 at 10:20 am #

      The man presently in charge of Amtrak used to commute 2 hours by automobile every day, from his home in Utica to his job as head of the New York State DOT. There are train tracks already in place from Utica that go right by the campus that DOT was located in at that time.
      If it didn’t matter to that man then, there is no way that Trump will see it as mattering.
      Maybe people should tell him?

      • mow November 14, 2016 at 3:30 pm #

        who is running region two up there ?

    • cbeard November 14, 2016 at 11:15 am #

      I would love passenger rail, but I think its a pipe dream. The railroads are already heavily subsidized by government as are airlines and other forms of mass transit. One of the big problems with that idea hinges on the word “mass” as in “the teeming masses” or overpopulation. You probably couldn’t build enough goddamned tracks to handle it and it would still be exorbitantly expensive for most of the populace. I’m an old baby boomer who voted for Trump, as did my eldest millennial daughter. My son who is 6 years her junior wanted to vote for Bernie, but didn’t get the chance. I agree with Bernie on the oligarchy, wall street, etc. but I think he was, is too liberal to do any thing about immigration. We need a total moratorium. He may have been too friendly with the gun control zealots also. All hail the NRA. This election was truly a mini revolution. It did my heart good to watch a buffoon utterly destroy the mainstream, rank and file republican goons and to see Hillary the cackling hag fly off into the moonlight on her goddamn broomstick.

      • Beryl of Oyl November 14, 2016 at 11:55 am #

        You and your family sound a lot like me and mine.

        • cbeard November 15, 2016 at 6:43 am #

          Thanks for the comment, Beryl of Oyl. I hope there are a lot more like us. I guess the recent election proves that there are more than I thought. My hat is off to you and your family.

    • lsjogren November 15, 2016 at 12:30 am #

      I really have got to express skepticism about the rail thing.

      Long distance rail. How much would it cost to build transcontinental passenger rail? I would think you are looking at maybe 500 billion for let us say a single corridor from let’s say Los Angeles to New York.

      If it’s fueled by fossil fuels, I believe that the per-passenger miles per gallon is actually pretty close to that for a jetliner or a small passenger car with a single occupant.

      Want it electric? Probably need to add a couple hundred billion.

  3. seawolf77 November 14, 2016 at 9:46 am #

    Chug a Chug a chug a Chug a chug a chug a chug a right off the cliff? Or chug a Chug a chug a chug a Chug a chug a right down the mountain? Or is the train stuck at the station? I the train broke down at the station? Seems some thing out of left field comes along, like fracking. I’m sorry but it seems the Long Emergency is just life.

  4. baird November 14, 2016 at 9:51 am #

    Kind of like a Zen koan American style or WTF do we do now. Unfortunately there are some folks coming on line up in D&C who have some marvelous ideas. Cheers.

  5. K-Dog November 14, 2016 at 9:57 am #

    I don’t know how you think Trump will embrace any of your pet projects like walk-able communities or chu-chu trains. As a lifelong New York real estate developer lining in a false reality bubble all he knows how to do is buy low and sell high. The bubble he lives in has nothing to do with making an economy work or preparing for a low energy future. When things get tough Trump will be looking to his Republican buddies for answers and looking to the NSA for lists of people standing in his way.

    List of those who oppose him are all-ready being compiled as frustrated opponents air their grievances in blog comments below articles just like yours above. Flypaper will be hung as phony anti-Trump comments to attract unfortunate victims. It happened here last week already. Once Trump gets in and gets his hands on the surveillance network Americans will be wishing they can get deported and that all the illegal aliens being shipped out are the lucky ones.

    Serious repression will begin when Trump opposition is blamed for not allowing America to be make great again.

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    • K-Dog November 14, 2016 at 9:59 am #

      As a lifelong New York real estate developer living in a false reality bubble all he knows how to do is buy low and sell high.

    • Ishabaka November 14, 2016 at 10:27 pm #

      Please. We heard the same type of drivel from the right wing hut jobs when Obama was elected – black helicopters with Chinese pilots were going to take away all the true patriots guns and put the people in FEMA death camps. Now the left wing nuts jobs are coming up with similar malarkey about Trump.

  6. RobH November 14, 2016 at 9:59 am #

    It was very dissapointing that you didn’t get a choice Bernie/Trump

    So many didn’t want ‘herself’. She lost it as much as he won it

    Can you please keep Farage?

    No please, have him free. Gratis etc

    No honestly, our gift – special relationship and all

    Good luck all

    • Beryl of Oyl November 14, 2016 at 10:23 am #

      I didn’t see her as ever asking people for their votes. She forgot that part.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 14, 2016 at 3:22 pm #

      A very great man. The connection is obvious: the election of Trump was our Brexit, our off ramp off the highway to National and Racial Extinction at the hands of the Globalists and their Agendas.

      • SidewaysFacingDog November 14, 2016 at 8:08 pm #

        There is only one looming existential threat to our nation and that is the intentional destruction by Globalists of our Judeo-Christian Euro centric cultural homogeneity via wholesale importation of populations not of that ilk.

        That very Euro culture that transformed the USA from a frontier nation to the most powerful nation on the face of the earth in an astonishingly short time.

        Every other challenge before us is IMHO an order of magnitude less important. Why I suspect many like me (Euro white male) don’t really care about saving a country that is hurdling towards no longer being a cohesive nation; but rather more like the Austro-Hungarian Empire every day.

        As Ann Coulter so entertainingly said “I don’t care if lDonaldTrump wants to perform abortions in White House after this immigration policy paper,” that policy being turn off immigration, deport illegals; enforce existing immigration laws.

        Look to what a hellhole L.A. has turned into culturally. That’s what coming to the rest of America sooner than you think if our cultural cohesiveness is not maintained.

        • Keith McClary November 14, 2016 at 10:40 pm #

          “Look to what a hellhole L.A. has turned into culturally.”
          I didn’t know L.A. was ever noted for culture, unless you mean Hollywood movies, but they have been crap for a long time.

        • Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2016 at 2:01 am #

          Culture upstream from Politics and Race is upstream from Politics. Our problem is that Christianity is a universal religion. That wasn’t a problem as long as we were in Europe surrounded by Muslims, but it became a big problem when we came to World Power. The seeds of destruction then had the proper conditions to sprout.

  7. malthuss November 14, 2016 at 10:08 am #

    Will Trump rebuild USA infrastructure? Where will the trillions of dollars to do so come from?

    Can the dollar be ‘strong’ for long?

    • K-Dog November 14, 2016 at 10:11 am #

      Where will the trillions of dollars to do so come from?


      • malthuss November 14, 2016 at 10:59 am #

        The Federal Reserve. It prints ‘currency notes.’

        • Lawfish November 14, 2016 at 11:12 am #

          The Treasury prints federal reserve notes. The Federal Reserve creates “money” by purchasing debt instruments with computer strokes.

    • Anotherplayaguy November 14, 2016 at 7:14 pm #

      Republicans in Congress are already shooting this idea down. They are not in favor of infrastructure spending.

    • lsjogren November 15, 2016 at 12:42 am #

      This is a big problem for Trump. In fact he wants to cut taxes and spend a bunch on infrastructure.

      Supposedly we can do that because of the economic growth his policies, e.g. reducing regulation, yada yada. I doubt that stuff has more than a very small impact.

      His fiscal policies WOULD, however, create economic growth in the short term. Lower taxes and more government spending, that’s stimulus, baby. In fact, pretty much the kind of recipe the Krugmanite school advocates- consume our way to prosperity.

      Trouble is it’s short term, increases our debt, and puts us in an even deeper hole in the long term.

      Maybe the Fed can do some fancy tricks with the monetary system where they make interest rates like negative 3 to 5 percent, thus magically turning debt into currency. Instead of paying interest on your debt you would get a nice juicy interest payment from your bank. Hey, it’s not much more insane than anything else in our economic system.

      Of course, if debt is now currency then currency would presumably now be debt, so the interest you earn on the debt you owe would actually be a liability rather than an asset.

  8. Elrond Hubbard November 14, 2016 at 10:08 am #

    The basic question I’m waiting to see answered is this: to what degree does Trump really now own the GOP? And to the degree that he doesn’t, how badly will he get rolled by them? Because make no mistake, the GOP establishment has no interest in doing anything but keeping the old game rolling under whatever veneer of Trumpismo will enable them to get away with it.

    Jimmy Carter got into office as an outsider and let his administration be stacked against him by a Democratic party establishment that didn’t want him. Is the same happening to Trump now? Will he actually try to carry out the promises he made, or will he just delegate all domestic and foreign policy (i.e. the actual presidency) to Mike Pence and be content to reign as President Ego-Trip? If he actually does try to govern against his own party, how long until they “discover” that he has blundered into this or that infraction of the rules and go for impeachment, so they can get back to shovelling public money at their donors? And of course, if that happens, how long before the people who consciously chose this clown as a last-ditch alternative to more of the same throw their hands in the air and reach for their second-amendment remedies?

    • cbeard November 14, 2016 at 11:21 am #

      Your take on the Carter administration and the GOP establishment concerning the Trump presidency is spot on. I am one of the people who chose the clown as a last ditch alternative and I am locked and loaded.

      • aNanyMouse November 14, 2016 at 1:03 pm #

        Cbeard, I also applaud Elrond’s analogy about Trump’s challenge being similar to JC’s. The MSM teed off on Trump (“calling Mexicans rapists”) much like they spun Carter’s “malaise” speech, even tho JC was (at least somewhat deservedly) MUCH less feared by most Americans than is Trump (incl. by many who voted for him).

        But I’ll sit OUT this “locked and loaded” stuff, at LEAST until the (very unlikely) event that I could see how such extreme remedies wouldn’t make a bad situation worse. For starters, any such remedies risk disrupting the oh-so-very vulnerable JIT delivery system of FOOD etc. I’ll hold my nose on Carterification of Trump, rather than risk a Mogadishu-type environment in a country containing so many Special Snowflakes.

        Before you start this “locked and loaded” stuff, you might reflect on the vivid quote from Cromwell: “I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible that you may be mistaken.”

        I’ve been quite close to folks from across the political “spectrum”, from the alt-Right to the PC Left, and I’ve striven to heed Cromwell’s words when talking to all of them, as both a matter of principle and prudence. I find the failure of most Americans to so heed his words, to be quite tragic. They would do well to study the (range of) responses to JHK’s posts, esp. those by Elrond, and (some by) FincalnTheMountains.

        To return to the JC analogy, much hinges on whether FincalnTheMountains is right, about Trump’s support from the Developers, oil & coal guys, etc. Dare they try to fight the GOP establishment and its donors? If Trump voters go for second-amendment remedies, do the Deep State guys sympathize enough to lay low, or do they obey Establishment orders to clean house (without making it a sh*t show like happened with Koresh)?

        Too bad for Trump that he had to choose a Pence, instead of an Agnew-style Impeachment Insurance. (Whoever is the highest- stature guy at all close to Bannon’s crowd would’ve sufficed!)

        • Janos Skorenzy November 14, 2016 at 1:35 pm #

          Pretty funny stuff. Cromwell was a mass murderer who never in his life considered that he could possibly be wrong. Thus he was more wrong than any.

          • aNanyMouse November 14, 2016 at 1:39 pm #

            Hopefully it was obvious that touting Cromwell as a person was the furthest thing from my mind. If you can provide a sufficiently vivid and pertinent quote, from a famous but better person, I’ll be all ears!

        • cbeard November 15, 2016 at 7:11 am #

          To aNanyMouse, I’m like a lot of other Americans, in feeling angry over our current situation, political and otherwise. Making inflammatory statements when I’m pissed off, is a fault, but one I share with a lot of others, even on this site. The locked and loaded statement was not meant to be taken in an offensive, aggressive manner but from a defensive position, if and when the SHTF. I have been mistaken on many accounts, but so far I don’t think I’m wrong in hoping like, right minded people will stand up and do the right thing to protect friends, family and a way of life. By whatever means necessary.

          • aNanyMouse November 15, 2016 at 3:16 pm #

            OK, Cbeard, if by SHTF you mean “after, but ONLY after, the collapse of JIT”, I hear you.
            I’ll have no part of lawlessness, while we still have some semblance of law in this country.

          • aNanyMouse November 15, 2016 at 3:41 pm #

            By lawlessness, I mean the Main Street lawlessness which can bring us to a JIT-less SHTF.
            As bad as Wall St. etc. rackets are, they don’t directly and immediaiely threaten JIT.

    • HappyMoto66 November 14, 2016 at 11:26 am #

      This is likely the most astute comment I have ever seen on this blog. America is not dead, she is merely sleeping, resting up and conserving the energy which will be necessary to throw her hands up and reach.

      At the very least the voters may have sidestepped a nuclear exchange- at least in the near term.

      • Frankiti November 14, 2016 at 7:00 pm #

        You could find the positive in cancer of the @ss

    • Frankiti November 14, 2016 at 7:03 pm #

      You do we live in the era of executive fiat, orders, and end arounds?
      The executive simply outgrew the legislative.
      Sorry Cicero.

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    • lsjogren November 15, 2016 at 12:49 am #

      Whither the GOP I think is totally up in the air. Will those GOP members of Congress who aren’t wedded to some wacko ideology like neoconservatism or Kempism decide Trumpism is the future and become his allies?

      For example on immigration, many GOP members of Congress were once supportive of the rule of law on immigration but have slid toward Paul Ryan’s open borderism, presumably based on the allure of corporate campaign cash. Might they return to a more rational stance if they feel Ryan’s stance is on the losing side of history? (more specifically, if they feel they may get primaried out of office by a Trumpian next time they’re up for re-election.

      Anyway you slice it there are going to be at least two very determined factions in the GOP that are incompatible with each other. Seems like a likely recipe for a civil war.

      Dems seem headed for a civil war also after their election fiasco.

      Whatever else the next four years are, they will be entertaining.

    • SpeedyBB November 18, 2016 at 3:24 pm #

      In a more civilized banana republic a patriotic military junta would step in to save the nation >snicker< but we are instead saddled with a corps of comfy careerist technocrats who wouldn't lift a finger to abort thermonuclear holocaust (even though this would prove impractical as a long-term career move). The politicos, like the public (and the obedient media that feed them) are used to being disappointed in their elected 'parliament of whores'. Still, they continue to vote them in, ensuring all will go down with the ship together. Watching this from 11 time zones away is awe-inspiring. And contemptible. How much more out-of-touch could an electorate be?

      As an old Texas boy I shouldn't be so mortified: Texans are past masters at fooling themselves.

  9. janet November 14, 2016 at 10:08 am #

    Excellent essay this morning, Mr. Kunstler. Concise, cogent, and fun to read… just brilliant. Good luck to all…

  10. malthuss November 14, 2016 at 10:12 am #

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    • lsjogren November 15, 2016 at 12:53 am #

      Peter Schiff has been predicting collapse of the dollar and advising to own gold for some time.

      I think by now those who have invested with him have probably all gone bankrupt.

      Sooner or later one would figure it has got to happen. Who was that economist who said something like “if something can’t go on forever it must eventually stop”?

      But I think just like other financial bubbles, since they are not rational there is no way to know when they will burst, and sometimes they keep going for an astoundingly long time.

  11. Greg Knepp November 14, 2016 at 10:12 am #

    I’m one of those educated white Democrat males who ended up voting for Trump. It was a sinful, secret act, aglut with guilt and pleasure – much like the high schooler jerking off in the lavatory. Only now am I beginning to sheepishly confess to my peers as to my decision. [my tacit support for Trump has been evident in my comments on this blog from the beginning, but none of my friends read this blog].

    Yes, there is shadenfruede aplenty at the spectacular defeat of Hillary’s gang…but a twinge of fear sets in as the strange orange fellow takes over.

    Thank God I’m an old man!

  12. Walter B November 14, 2016 at 10:28 am #

    Yes JHK, the good news WAS that HRH-HRC was defeated, at least so far. I remain concerned that until the Electoral College votes on the 19th of December, the hundreds of billions that are in the vaults of the Clinton Foundation can be parlayed into an altered reality. After all, should November’s rest stand, her criminal enterprise will surely shrink to worthlessness faster than a dinner date with her husband. Far fetched perhaps, but every man has his price and sellouts prosper by purchasing sellouts of their own.

    If the Criminals of Wall Street were opposed to Mr. Trump as I believe they were, it is very possible that they may do everything that they can to “short” the economy and give the new president big F-U. They ARE a vindictive bunch and history has proven that they care not how many human lives are destroyed for their profit and/or entertainment. Donald Trump has an interesting task ahead of him and all of us can only wait to see what and when plays out whenever it does. Good luck America, you’re going to need it.

  13. Beryl of Oyl November 14, 2016 at 10:38 am #

    I’m having a hard time dealing with some people who knew I supported Trump, and tried to dissuade me, as if their judgement was so much better than mine. They seemed unaware on some level that Donald was not running against Obama. When I tried to bring up some of the reasons I was voting for Donald, mainly the ones having to do with such issues as the ‘false economy’, they would not know what I was talking about. The would know, however, that Trump shouldn’t be president because he mocked a disabled reporter. Yes, he did, but not for his disability. It’s funny, because I asked one such person who claimed that if he even knew what the man’s disability was. Of course not.
    People will not believe that the Corporate/Global media monopoly will tell outright lies.
    The polls weren’t “wrong”, they were lies.
    Notice the MSM doesn’t care to look to deeply into who the ‘protestors’ are. They already know.

    • orbit7er November 14, 2016 at 11:02 am #

      My commentary on why I oppose Trump’s hate politics.
      I do not think Trump supporters are racists but Trump himself has a record which really needs to be considered:

      Democracy is about more than elections. It is about respect for all people’s humanity, right to live without fear or intimidation, right to the water, air and the whole vast web of life which sustains us all.
      I have also been through many elections including Ronald Reagan who joked about threatening all life on Earth with bombing Russia.
      But never have I seen a person like Donald Trump who insults the handicapped, the pope, Megan Kelly, all Muslims, all Mexicans,who urges on his followers to “punch out” people with different opinions, who makes veiled threats about his followers carrying guns, who has now been accused by numerous women with sexual harrassment and assault. I do not hate Donald Trump, I feel sorry for his pathological narcissism which is focused solely upon his own need for constant adulation and lashes out viciously at anyone who dares to criticize him. Donald Trump is not only a liar but a fabulist who makes up total fictions like the lack of Obama’s birth certificate and any other fabulous stories which suit his narcissism and contempt for any other human being. Donald Trump, while criticizing illegal immigration has employed illegal immigrants for his own greed, has a wife who worked illegally for $20,000, has a long record of leaving his contractors unpaid and bankrupt, has not paid his taxes by using illegal deductions of loan payoffs by banks who kept him on life support after numerous bankruptcies solely on the basis that the banks would never get their money without the “Trump” brand.
      Trump and his father were found guilty of outright racist discrimination by the Federal government and the courts and then went back to continue the same racist policies. Just as Trump continued his Obama “birther” charge long after Obama showed his long form birth certificate so he has continued his long vendetta against the black teenagers accused of a Central Park raping incident long after the real rapist was found and the Courts released them. This is why even Barbara Bush and many other lifelong Republicans not only repudiated Trump but asked how any woman or person who respects women could support him. Trump has enacted the biggest con of the 21st Century on many in the suffering working class who have lost their jobs, their dignity to the rapacious sellout of America for Corporate profits. But there is no indication that Trump has ever cared for anyone but Donald Trump. Even his “charity foundation” got money from suckers and then gave money to Trump himself. I did not vote for Hillary Clinton because I understand that she represents the Corporate elite who are destroying the planet with their endless Wars, offshoring of American jobs in the pursuit of pathological greed. But Trump is deranged, dangerous and has no standing to be even close to the Oval Office.
      This is beyond mere “politics” ….

      • beantownbill. November 14, 2016 at 11:12 am #

        Nice guy, isn’t he? This election tells us a lot about the American psyche, and most of it isn’t good.

        • Walter B November 14, 2016 at 3:50 pm #

          It speaks far more about the American psychosis when a murdering political sellout, HRC is backed, supported, and voted for by those who are apparently ok with the corruption itself. Voting for Donald Trump was not an approval of his offenses of insulting words to those poor unfortunates whose self esteem was scarred for life by a rapier like tongue as it was a rejection of criminal scum that already had 8 long years of screwing the country and certainly did not deserve another shot at us all. Whether it was a short memory, sheer ignorance , or approval of theft, treason and murder, a vote for Her Royal Highness was a vote for damnation. Unconscionable at best.

      • Beryl of Oyl November 14, 2016 at 11:21 am #

        I happen to have a very different viewpoint than your about those things you listed.
        As I’ve just said, Trump did not mock a disabled man FOR HIS DISABILITY. That is demonstrably false, yet here you are repeating it is if it were so.
        It’s my fervent hope that there will be improvement in the lives of the black (and white) people at the bottom of the economic scale here in America, I can see with my own eyes that nothing has improved in these ‘communities’ in the last eight years, in fact it has gotten dreadfully worse. Many people don’t know that, because they would not be caught dead (for fear of being caught dead) in one of these neighborhoods, actually speaking with poor black people. They rely on what they hear on the news which, as I’ve said, is not above telling outright lies.
        Donald Trump is a racist, and Barack Obama is not? Oh, please.

        • orbit7er November 14, 2016 at 2:05 pm #

          I have seen the clip numerous times..
          Yes Trump was mocking his disability just as he made disgusting comments about Megan Kelly which have place even in political discourse. (I was about to say “civilized” but political discourse is seldom that!)
          I do not blind myself to the atrocious acts of Obama with his endless Wars supported by Hillary Clinton.
          So why do you blind yourself to the reality of what Trump is?
          On policies I agree with Trump’s stated positions on getting out of NATO, no War with Russia and stopping any more trade pacts.
          It does seem that TPP is now dead from even a LameDuck approval so that is one good thing from Trump’s positions.
          But will Trump actually do anything he promised to help the working class? He has already named a huge trove of lobbyists to run parts of his transition.
          Like Atlantic City with the Trump Casinos, now bankrupt in receivership I really doubt Trump will follow through on his better policies and there will be huge voters’ remorse…
          But Trump is a very very nasty narcissist…
          Of that there is no doubt

          • Janos Skorenzy November 14, 2016 at 3:20 pm #

            His endless wars but not his racism against Whites? That’s what she was talking about. Zone, you are too much.

          • unirealist November 14, 2016 at 8:10 pm #

            “…no war with Russia…”

            That’s enough right there. I don’t give a f*ck who Trump is or isn’t, if his Presidency makes the difference between nuclear war or not nuclear war.

            What else matters, if we have nuclear war?


          • lsjogren November 15, 2016 at 12:57 am #

            orbit7er: Most of what you say about Trump is false. Not all, for example the Megan Kelly comment by Trump was abominable.

            It is foolhardy for people to consider Trump some sort of savior. But it is also foolhardy to believe everything about him that comes from the clownhouse media like the New York Times, some of which is indeed true and much of what is not.

    • Walter B November 14, 2016 at 11:08 am #

      The Common American Idiots WANT to be lied to. They WANT to only hear that everything is wonderful, all is improving, the future is full of teddy bears and rainbows. They have been raised with such drivel and are highly addicted to it while being allergic to anything that bursts the bubble of complacency in which they exist. The everyone is ok, everybody gets a trophy, I am as good as you indoctrination that the government (schools) have deluded the masses into has created this pathetic herd of mindless Sheeple. After all, there is plenty of time to worry about tomorrow once tomorrow comes and you find yourself jobless, penniless, and homeless and you are cast aside to rot by the deluded masses. It was a clever assault on a once great nation and it is proving in the end to be a complete and total success.

      • Frankiti November 14, 2016 at 6:58 pm #

        People bred to believe they deserve.
        That they are promised.
        They they have rights to this or that.

        There’s only one promise; a last breath.

        • Walter B November 14, 2016 at 9:13 pm #

          Well said my friend, well said!

  14. orbit7er November 14, 2016 at 10:47 am #

    Great commentary by Kunstler back to the roots!
    As usual NONE of the pundits are talking about Peak Oil or Limits to Grwath, including of course, Paul Krugman.
    But per usual Kunstler seems to ignore the people who ARE offering alternatives like Bernie Sanders and most especially the Climate Mobilization campaign which has a very well laid out argument about why we have to transition from Auto Addiction to Green Transit They point to the excellent description in “Transport Revolutions” by Perl and Gilbert about the successful quadrupling of Green public transit Rail, trolleys and buses in just 3 years.
    Finally this part of the Climate Mobilization Victory Plan by concerned Environmentalists takes the problem of Auto Addiction seriously and does not posit just electric private cars, driverless or otherwise as any sort of answer.

    Pages 55-64 talk expressly about the transition from Auto Addiction to Green Transit:


    • orbit7er November 14, 2016 at 10:48 am #

      PostCarbon synopsis of the Climate Victory Plan:


    • sharonsj November 15, 2016 at 5:23 pm #

      Nor is any of the TV media covering the climate change conference in Morocco (other than Democracy Now!). All I see is more speculation about Trump, his team and his kids. Seems like TV news still hasn’t learned its lesson.

  15. seawolf77 November 14, 2016 at 10:49 am #

    Voting for Hillary to keep Trump out of the White House was not reason enough to vote. Obama 1 – 70 million Obama 2 – 65 million Hillary – 60 million. Republican can only muster 60 million. Period. If Democrats voted they’d never win again. Clinton/Sanders ticket would have won. She was an idiot for picking Kaine. It cost Kennedy his life picking LBJ, but it won him the election. That was the Faustian bargain.

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    • SteveO November 14, 2016 at 11:17 am #

      Hillary did all the things her Washington DC consultants told her to do to win. See chose a VP from a “swing state”, she got lots of celebrities and popular politicians to back her. She had boat loads of money buying uncounted minutes of air time.

      All her people are part of the Washington DC group think, and reality has changed without them knowing it. The people both parties have been screwing since the late 70s finally said F-you to the party orthodoxy on both sides. The Republican voters used the party’s own system against it and the Democrats got sick of the idea of another Clinton and stayed home.

    • unirealist November 14, 2016 at 8:25 pm #

      Seawolf77, if that’s your take on the election, you clearly haven’t learned a thing from it.

      This wasn’t a battle between Dems and Reps.

      It was a battle between haves and have-not’s, between whites and non-white immigrants, between lying politicians and lied-to voters, between the happily-deluded and the pissed-off.

      Millions of one-time Obama voters (Dem and Rep alike) turned around and voted for Trump this time. They voted for Hope and Change then, and they voted for Hope and Change this time. No big surprise, if you stop seeing the electorate through the lens of traditional party politics.

      Yes, there were a lot of Dems who didn’t show up to rubber-stamp Hillary’s coronation.

      But it’s irrelevant.

      • seawolf77 November 14, 2016 at 9:03 pm #

        If I remember Obama was the “change” guy. Hope and change or some such nonsense. I don’t believe millions of one-time Obama voters turned around and voted for Trump. For the last 4 elections Republicans put 60 million in the can. Where are these millions of voters?

        • unirealist November 15, 2016 at 1:53 am #

          Here you go, from the NY Times itself, no friend of Trump:

          “Democrats have to grapple with the fact that they lost this election because millions of white working-class voters across the United States voted for Obama and then switched to Trump.”

          –Nate Cohn


          As for the diminished totals of voters from both parties, I have to assume that widespread disgust with the choices depressed the voting for both candidates.

          But, this election wasn’t about choosing political parties.

          It was a wholesale repudiation of political parties.

          Neither party is going to recover from it.

          • seawolf77 November 15, 2016 at 8:54 am #

            Just because it is written, don’t make it true. No one who voted Obama would ever vote Trump. If it were true vote totals would have surpassed 60 million for the Re pubic hairs and it didn’t.

          • Walter B November 16, 2016 at 7:16 pm #

            You and the Times are absolutely right! A large part of America is sick and tired of being fed a line of say nothing crap that the do nothing, sellout politician scum have been shoveling up our collective asses for decades now! Damn their eyes if they believe that none of us have enough brain power left to know when we are being screwed! Mr. Trump simply recognized this and took advantage of it – good for him!

  16. Jigplate November 14, 2016 at 10:50 am #

    As for jettisoning identity politics it appears to be not f’ing likely. The latest front runner for the DNC chair is Keith Ellison. This former acolyte of Louis Farrakhan and cheerleader for white reparations is the poster child for identity politics.

    • orbit7er November 14, 2016 at 11:08 am #

      Keith Ellison is one of the leaders of Congressional Progressive Caucus which has proposed stopping the endless Wars and the military waste costing American taxpayers $1 Trillion every year, taxing the rich, opposing trade deals and yes supporting Rail and the Green Transit which we all know here is need in the Peak Oil age.
      Unfortunately, just as Bernie’s message was shutout from the Corporate Media until he shockingly began winning primaries, so the Congressional Progressive Caucus is NEVER covered in the Corporate Media. The New York Times only covered it some years ago via a mention in Paul Krugman’s column, never repeated again.
      So this is about a LOT more than Identity Politics and has been for years

      • Janos Skorenzy November 14, 2016 at 1:45 pm #

        Bernie cowered like a beaten child when those Black BLM women took his microphone. Trump said he would have fought them. Which is more attractive? Which quality do we want in a COMMANDER and CHIEF?

        Bernie also said Whites don’t know what it means to be poor. That’s just despicable, the kind of willful ignorance that comes from not wanting to know the truth. In other words, he obviously would have favored everyone else over Whites. Why would any sane White vote for that?

      • Jigplate November 14, 2016 at 1:47 pm #

        Do you really think they are choosing him because of all of the above, or just because he is a “counter” to trumps so called racism? After all , if tomorrow he announced that he was gay, he would have all the identities sewed up. I think you may give the DNC more credit than it deserves.

      • outsider November 14, 2016 at 3:21 pm #

        I don’t know if anyone else has mentioned it yet or not, but a good start toward a new Democrat party would be to throw out Princess Pelosi as minority leader. Any party that has kept that know-nothing SF leftist in charge of the House Dems for so long has no future.

  17. SteveO November 14, 2016 at 10:51 am #

    Good and bad news:

    The good news is that on Jan 20th 2017, for the first time in 28 years, the occupant of the white house won’t be a Bush, a Clinton or a caretaker mix of both (Obama).

    The bad new is that the person coming in has almost as little contact with reality as the above mentioned personalities.

    The discredited Sunday morning talking heads were showing a rogues gallery of Republican has-beens and criminals that they though would be in the Trump cabinet. I hope they are as wildly inaccurate as they were about the election. If Trump really wants to pull back from the neocon world power agenda, having people like John Bolton and Newt Gingrich isn’t going to cut it.

    • bibliomaniac November 14, 2016 at 2:38 pm #

      The Chamber of Horrors

  18. Cactus Girl November 14, 2016 at 10:52 am #

    What’s up (down) with gold and silver prices??? Anyone see what’s going on?

    • malthuss November 14, 2016 at 11:03 am #


      And other places.Paper dump on Friday was 10 billion.

      Also India is attempting to go cashless so Id [wrongly] assume Gold would be 2,000. In India it is $3,000 US an ounce??

      • malthuss November 14, 2016 at 11:08 am #

        Recently the arbitrage was $76.

        “On April 19th 2016, China locked in the dollar’s death by launching their gold price fix.

        For the first time in modern history there are now two prices of gold, one in the Chinese yuan and the other in the dying dollar.

        Real money is Gold and Silver.

        The eventual end game is that the price of gold skyrockets and the dollar permanently collapses along with the global banking system and modern society as we know it.

        Black Friday will be everyday as the masses murder each other for a peach pit. This is sure to happen anytime between now and the end of 2018.

        Don’t believe it? Don’t worry you’ll find out soon

        Paper money only started having value because it used to be backed by gold several decades ago. Now it’s backed by nothing except mass delusion and geopolitics.

        Since the 2008 economic collapse, central banks around the world have overdosed on financial stimulus and. They have artificially suppressed the prices of gold and silver to keep the dollar delusion going.”

        • beantownbill. November 14, 2016 at 11:24 am #

          It would be wise to keep 10% of one’s assets in real gold and silver (not paper precious metals) as a hedge for bad times. Also try to stash a month or two’s expenses in paper currency for when and if banks suddenly go on holiday.

          • malthuss November 14, 2016 at 12:53 pm #

            I am storing some food BUT when collapse happens, if I am in USA, I am not sure I want to live thru it.
            No light at the end of the tunnel.

          • elysianfield November 14, 2016 at 5:09 pm #

            One should not forget that, during times of economic stress, gold and silver are not your only solution. All commodities have value, and will increase their value, at parity with gold, during times of inflation. Tools, for example… their value will increase at least with the rate of inflation as will gold…the difference between them is…liquidity. Gold and silver will have a ready market, at some discount, for cash…other commodities require time and effort to convert. Gold and silver, save during a bubble or mild panic, will return only the value of the original dollar at inflated rates…you will not make any money on the holding or exchange, and may suffer a considerable percentage loss to the mercy of your local “dealer”.
            A lathe, or saw, on the other hand, can provide an income…something that precious metals cannot do.

            Dannyboy, with a butt-load of gold or diamonds…how will he fare in a “World made by Hand”? He might actually fare better with an ass full of plumb bobs and the ability to use them. Haven’t heard from him since the election….

          • sharonsj November 15, 2016 at 5:28 pm #

            Bottles of liquor are great for bartering. I have a stash of cheap vodka; also good as an antiseptic for wounds or for drinking oneself into a stupor if things get too bad.

    • messianicdruid November 18, 2016 at 5:12 pm #

      That’s what happens when they sell almost 3 years of world production [ 8000 tons ] into the market. Problem is its all paper contracts, no real gold was harmed, except as measured in rubber dollars.

  19. Beryl of Oyl November 14, 2016 at 10:53 am #

    My favorite part today is the part about getting rid of the stupid identity politics. It isn’t just the Democrats, we saw two Republicans trying to claim the title of first “Hispanic” president, which is about as dumb as it gets.
    Anyone who knows any Cubans in Florida knows full well that they do not consider themselves to be in the same category as Mexicans. “Hispanic” is a made up “thing”, a demographic for political and globalist purposes, it is not even an ethnicity.
    I notice that not all the people in Spain consider themselves to be the same as the Spanish, they do not even agree on a common language.
    Yet we persist with the fiction of this group that is not a group, here in America.
    I doubt it’s going away anytime soon. There are still people who believe that once a year, their neighbors put razorblades in candy and lie in wait for their children.

    • swmnguy November 14, 2016 at 12:13 pm #

      I agree with you. Trump won by selling Identity Politics to lower- and middle-class white people. It sure as hell wasn’t his “policies,” which were a bunch of fictitious bedtime stories.

      The over-arching problem facing any President now is the ongoing collapse of Finance. That’s not a partisan issue. Trump made vague promises to restore high-paying manufacturing jobs that under-educated American workers can do. It’s proof of the desperation and under-informed state of those Americans that his triffle got any traction at all.

      There’s a reason all those jobs went away in the first place, and that reason hasn’t changed. It’s Finance. It’s more profitable to engage in Finance than to do anything actually useful. When you go to Target, they don’t bother to stock product on the shelves even when it’s sitting in the back room, because that requires labor cost. However, they’re never too busy to try to sell you a store credit card, because they make more money lending you money to buy their cheap plastic junk made by Chinese slaves than they make selling you that stuff straight-up. That hasn’t changed and isn’t going to.

      If Trump destroys environmental regulations, that won’t fix the Finance-based mess the US energy sector has gotten itself into. The big oil companies are spending something like 3x more money today producing slightly less energy than they did a decade ago. Finance. They have mortgaged their future for immediate profits, borrowing money to buy back stock to pay off their shareholders. The easy-to-get cheap energy has been gotten, and now they don’t have the capital to invest to get the hard-to-get stuff at a price anyone can afford to pay. That hasn’t changed and won’t even if Trump allows massive pollution.

      If Trump deports all the illegal workers, the price of food, home maintenance and other industries dependent on low wages will soar. Trump’s supporters nurture the fantasy that getting rid of all those workers will create a labor shortage and increase their wages. Well, it would, in the imaginary world in which Trump will actually demolish those industries as his promises imply he would. There is virtually no chance he will, and he’s already walking back his promises on that topic.

      Trump’s always been the sort of social liberal who doesn’t really care because at his level of income, he can just buy what he wants. Wealthy women have never suffered from lack of reproductive services. When abortion was generally illegal in America, women who could went to Michigan where it was legal, or to Europe for what they wanted. It was no skin off their noses. Rich non-whites could pay for status even in an openly racist society. If Trump thinks of appeasing his culturally right-wing supporters, he’ll find out in a hurry why those people have been in the minority, and it’s not because a cabal of “social justice warriors” rammed their pipe-dreams down everybody’s throats; it’s because those positions are popular, and more important, they’re good for business. Mike Pence tried the “Religious Freedom” nonsense cover for bigotry in Indiana, and when corporate money started to walk over it, Pence backed down. North Carolina is hemorrhaging corporate money over their obstinance.

      In general, Identity Politics is antiquated nonsense in a globalized, financialized world. Finance is collapsing, and globalization will too, but still and for the foreseeable future, Identity Politics is a relic of use only to charlatans.

      • Janos Skorenzy November 14, 2016 at 1:52 pm #

        Identity politics are normal and will resume once Globalism fails. This it behooves us to stay as White as possible – since We are the group that founded this nation. There is no America without Whites.

        Obviously if millions of Hispanic illegals were sent out of America, it would be a great boon for Whites. How could it not be? There are only so many jobs after all – and it will always be less than the population in an industrial economy. That dynamic is worsening with the advent of robot production. We simply don’t need ANY more immigrants. Bringing them here is simply treason to the historic American Nation.

      • BehemothTheCat November 14, 2016 at 5:08 pm #

        Excellent comment, swmnguy; one that catches most of my thoughts.

        On the economic side, a couple of further points: the GOP policy dogmas that Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell can’t wait to pass—the ones Jindal cratered Louisiana’s finances with and that have turned Kansas into Brownbackistan—tend to help the regions that don’t vote for them.

        Here in North Carolina, my Schadenfreude Quotient grows with every report after 8 years of McCrory and 6 years of a veto-proof GOP majority based in the state’s many poor, rural counties, that the economies, tax bases, and populations of those same counties continue to shrink while the deepening blue metropolitan regions with the excellent universities and educated populaces continue to grow and ‘prosper’, debased though that term is these days.

        By doubling down on HB2, McCrory lost reelection, its senate architect lost the race for attorney general, the senior GOP judge on the NC supreme court lost reelection 55-45% and as you rightly say the corporations are cutting back their investments. If the GOP continues on its current course then the whole state will become losers and not just their rural base.

        And that’s the fate awaiting the rest of the country and especially the Red states if Ryan privatizes Social Security and Medicare, guts environmental legislation and pours hundreds of billions into a bloated military. Homeschooling with Jesus is just as useless for the modern world and the looming Long Emergency as memorizing the Koran in a madrassa is.

        If these working and middle-class rural voters had really wanted to drain the swamp, they would have voted in Democratic majorities in the House and Senate to go with the Trumpster. I will be saddened to see NOAA, EPA, and the various Federal climate initiatives destroyed a la Harper in Canada and Abbott/Trumbull in Australia. I take solace in the fact that Nature always has the last word and that a couple of generations from now a great many prominent names in today’s USA will have vanished like Hitler’s did in the German-speaking world after WW II.

        So it goes.

        ps My bet is that Pence will have far more power and influence than Cheney ever did during W’s first term. Duck and cover!

      • Frankiti November 14, 2016 at 6:44 pm #

        Wrong. The silent majority simply disliked Clinton more. The media keeps wondering where they went wrong… they believed people would reject Trumps promises, and most did, the muthaf*kin thang is… they still hate Hillary more.

        • SteveO November 15, 2016 at 9:33 am #

          The corporate media, along with most other corporate persons, were “all in” for Clinton. She represented continuity for their long term goal of cornering all wealth and reducing the population to serfs.

  20. Gonga Din November 14, 2016 at 10:54 am #

    I propose a network of roadways graded such that cars may coast under the influence of gravity, and possibly at the same time do useful work to generate electricity for the grid.

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    • beantownbill. November 14, 2016 at 11:04 am #

      I don’t know how it could be done. Remember that going downhill in one direction means going uphill in the other.

      • Gonga Din November 14, 2016 at 11:31 am #

        Well, then, possibly, towers could be constructed such that people could zip line around town, or maybe gravity trams,in some similar fashion, could be implemented. Of course, there would have to be a way to lift the trams at their final destination to reset their gravity potential in the opposite direction, so maybe each tram can harness some of their kinetic energy into electricity to facilitate that. Otherwise, for ziplining people would just have to climb a tower for their next trip. For the roadways, there would have to be similar planning for opposite direction travel. Elevators to reset the cars on a higher road to start the trip to the next destination.

      • Beryl of Oyl November 14, 2016 at 11:33 am #

        The downhill may have to be really steep.
        Seriously, I’d like to see something like golf carts for getting around town, and conveyor belt type contraptions to load them on, on main roads and for long distances.
        I’d really like to get away from the concept that death by heavy, high-speed juggernaut is acceptable for those who forgot to look both ways, or couldn’t get across in time.
        Parents, even the ones who live in the suburbs for “safety”, are unfazed by the reality that they may lose a small child should it venture too far in front of its own house. Oddly enough, these parents allow their older children to play smack in the middle of the
        roads they drive their SUVs and minivans on.

        • beantownbill. November 14, 2016 at 11:40 am #

          I proposed that my condo association buy a couple of golf carts so the management staff could flit around in them when they have to do maintenance. Currently, they use a pickup to go from one building to the next. The golf carts would pay for themselves in just a few years. Of course, our board of trustees pooh-poohed the idea.

      • Keith McClary November 14, 2016 at 11:01 pm #

        But the whole country is going downhill, so it should work fine.

    • Cactus Girl November 14, 2016 at 7:51 pm #

      The easier way to do it would be to put bigger tires on the rear wheels. That way, the car is always rolling downhill. No need for expensive grading of roads and elevators to lift them back up. Simple.

      • messianicdruid November 18, 2016 at 5:32 pm #

        You are going to make the rear engine car obsolete.

  21. beantownbill. November 14, 2016 at 11:00 am #

    Back in 2008 l had hoped for change with this new guy, Obama, coming into office. He said what people wanted to hear. Shortly after the new year, I was dismayed (but not surprised) that he began staffing his administration from the revolving carousel of Washington good ol’ boys. I knew then that nothing would be different under Obama.

    Now Trump is beginning to staff from the same carousel – it has rotated a little since 2009, with baggage previously behind the curtain now coming into view again. Not much that is important will change, or only change for the worst. Trump already is backing away from some of his campaign promises.

    The people who voted for him think they were revolutionaries. Wait until they realize they’ve been had yet again. It’s going to get very messy down the line.

    • malthuss November 14, 2016 at 11:05 am #

      Since you felt hope in the guy from Chicago, you didnt know about the Ctown Political Machine.
      Obama rose all too quickly thru it.
      Resco like success.

    • K-Dog November 14, 2016 at 11:12 am #

      The people who voted for him think they were revolutionaries.

      Revolutionaries who can’t grow their own food or live off the land. Revolutionaries who are legends in their own minds and nowhere else!

      Perhaps in fifty years it will be understood that it was minds polluted by “Game of Thrones” which lead to America loosing its collective mind. That is, If there is anyone left alive in fifty years with time enough to think.

      • SteveO November 14, 2016 at 12:09 pm #

        More like Survivor.

      • Frankiti November 14, 2016 at 6:38 pm #

        It was Barney the dinosaur… that uh.. did the polluting.

        Born in the Prozac epoch…. matured in the millennial cohort

    • messianicdruid November 18, 2016 at 5:41 pm #

      “The people who voted for him think they were revolutionaries.”

       Only potentially. We are simply playing by the rules. Its when the rest realize the rules were written by false gods, and are designed to replace the laws written on their hearts that Obadiah will be vindicated.

    • RobH November 21, 2016 at 7:29 am #

      I really like that analogy, it tickled me… things behind the curtain coming into view again

      we have Tony Blair just coming through the curtain again 🙂

      Thanks for the smile

  22. FincaInTheMountains November 14, 2016 at 11:25 am #

    There will not be a successful anti-Trump revolution

    Against the backdrop of protests in areas densely populated by supporters of Hillary Clinton (who are being organized, driven up, informed by the Soros structure), a natural question arises: whether they can overthrow Trump by the “purple revolution” as it already was christened by the journalists.

    Short answer: no, they can’t.

    If successful, blocking the inauguration of Trump or murder, no matter in what context, the United States for a long time would be plunged into a serious political, economic and social crisis, which would put a fat cross on any US foreign and domestic policy ambitions in the decades ahead.

    For a successful color revolution in the US a few ingredients are missing:

    1. There is no complete betrayal of the elites and the possibility to “take by their offshores” the most influential and wealthy supporters of the current government. Those billionaires, who share the views of Trump, are well aware of what will happen to them if they will give up the slack. Do not underestimate the experience of the clans who for generations were earning money and power in the fierce competition within the Western world, and their determination to fight for the preservation of their place under the sun, money and lives.

    This is not the Ukrainian oligarchs – these are the people of completely different caliber, other human material, with the obligatory seasoning in the form of absolute readiness to drown the country in blood, if necessary.

    2. There is no complete betrayal by the security services. If anyone has forgotten, the FBI played a major role in coming of Trump to power, and is infested with ideologically charged supporters of Trump. If these people have risked their lives during the Clinton investigation during the election campaign, taking their win from them will be very difficult.

    There is a slightly exaggerated description of the distribution of “social stereotypes” between the security services:

    CIA – rich kids of rich parents, who learned to smoke right cigars in a right way with the right expression in the right university of Ivy League.

    NSA – nerds that have seized opportunity to decide the fate of the world and muck “athletes” (jocks) that humiliated them in high school and in college.

    But the FBI – are the rednecks and down-to-earth operatives.

    Again, it is – an exaggerated stereotype, but it contains some truth and the FBI, along with the police and the army (the military Trump won by a large margin), are ready to disassemble the “Soros organization” into the smallest parts possible. The laws (adopted by previous administration in view of coming Clinton) will let them do it with the highest level of violence.

    The question arises: why would Soros organize riots now?

    a) To demonstrate his capabilities and encourage the new administration to accept compromises on important personnel, political and economic issues

    b) To test the system for possible next opportunity

    • SteveO November 14, 2016 at 12:13 pm #

      There is not going to be revolution because the general populous has plenty of food, cheep beer and distractions on TV and the internet.

      • Frankiti November 14, 2016 at 6:28 pm #

        Cheap, good beer

        • SteveO November 15, 2016 at 9:35 am #

          From what I’ve seen of the average `Murican, Budwiser appears to be good enough.

    • FincaInTheMountains November 14, 2016 at 10:31 pm #

      $35 an hour, cash. Not so bad for work outside in a fresh air.

  23. pequiste November 14, 2016 at 11:45 am #

    “Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.”

    Demoncrat party considering Keith Ellison to be the DNC Chair.
    Identity politics? Not really – more like the metamorphosis into the Hizbollah or the American Sharia Party. And do not forget the Jewish electorate votes 85% for the Demoncrat Party. Hillaryus!

    Chelsea Clinton considering a run for the House of Representative?
    Hope she will run with the Mike Bloomberg “Republicans” for Gerald Nadler’s Manhattan seat (and it is a big ass seat.)(Ain’t gettin’ rid of them Clintons so fast there -) and The Donald is wavering on a Special Prosecutor to “lock he up.”

    Steve Bannon, bad boy of Breitbart; Hollyweird “insider?” (did a yuge deal with Ted Turner;) and alumni of Goldman Sacks (sacks of gold man) – he looks to be the crypto-insider, Trojan Horse for the Evil Bastards In Charge more than anyone and he is the president-elect’s freshly minted Chief Strategist.

    The Republican Party is just drooling at the chance to lock-in a host of extra special bonuses with the near destruction of the national Demoncrat party. Fun.

    If this election teaches us anything – it is that the U.S.A. needs at least three more viable political parties to have the electorates voice heard. NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. The “Two Party System” is going to be in place when the whole shebang goes down in a collapse scenario that will take nearly everyone by surprise.

    On a positive note the Inauguration will be a scream as The Donald takes the keys to the White House from Barry O. (the man who just about destroyed the national and regional Demoncrat party by hizself) the new president gets his revenge on the (formerly) uppity outgoing president and an Imperial display of balls and parties that ‘will make both the Reagan’s and Bush’s look like church Sunday potlucks.

    It is gonna be a sight to behold!

    • SteveO November 14, 2016 at 1:38 pm #

      “The Republican Party is just drooling at the chance to lock-in a host of extra special bonuses with the near destruction of the national Demoncrat party. Fun.”

      This Paul Ryan’s ultimate wet dream come true:

      Obamacare – gone
      Medicare – voucherized (bye, bye)
      Social Security – going, going, gone!

      The second gilded age continues.

  24. Buck Stud November 14, 2016 at 11:57 am #

    The big question regarding the Trump presidency is what faction within the GOP will ultimately be the most influential. In that regard, keeping Steve Bannon around was a positive move for all the working class voters who elected Trump, IMO. I sense that Bannon will continue to breathe life into the populist wing of the GOP even as other factions seeking to extinguish it, hang over the Bannon wing like a clump of Wisconsin pine tree snow waiting to drop on Jeremiah Johnson’s first wilderness fire.

    Enter Trump: Mercurial and fluid, he is, first and foremost a Gemini, astrologically speaking. And like that other famous Gemini, Walt Whitman, Trump does indeed, “contain multitudes”! My great hope is that he flies like an “air sign” overseer above the diabolical, scheming political fray below, landing just in time to issue “ Oh know you don’t !“ contradictions and vetos, confounding critics and supporters alike in classic Gemini fashion.

    And is there any doubt who will really be calling the shots at the end of the day? Personally, I have no doubt that Trump will have the final word on most issues and that provides comfort for this supporter of the losing side.

    Because at least Trump has suggested he is open to keeping some of the more noble and logical aspects of “Obamacare” such as the pre-existing condition clause as opposed to the “root and branch” extractionists. Otherwise, if the Ryan wing of the party wins out on the healthcare debate,my fate will mostly be one of emergency room care.

    At any rate, nothing like acquiring a malignant form of pulmonary hypertension/ cor pulmonale/right side heart failure–than you “Fen-Phen” (my most stupid, foolish, regrettable decision in life)-to put it all in perspective: I really don’t care all that much one way or another anymore but politics does provide some humorous relief from the morbid, depressing obsessions that go along with a serious medical affliction. And so I drop in here from time to time in order to “distract” myself.

    • Cactus Girl November 14, 2016 at 3:38 pm #

      I hear you, buddy. As a disabled person on SSDI, I do the same thing.

    • Yuri Sowryteski November 14, 2016 at 10:05 pm #

      +Buck ~ Yea,when I learned Trump was a Gemini, I thought back to a Gemini girlfriend I had long ago. She only gave me one thing to remember her by; a venereal disease.

      But his tactics are as you describe. He strikes me as someone who uses too much cocaine. Then too I happened to watch the first TV show I’ve seen in years, “people of Earth” I think it was called, the night of the election. Really bad, no surprise, about aliens who pass as Americans, (for some reason).

      Which prettymuch describes Washington DC.

      • Cactus Girl November 15, 2016 at 10:36 pm #

        My sister is a Gemini, and I can tell you that she never lets the facts get in the way of a good story.

    • SteveO November 15, 2016 at 9:40 am #

      Unfortunately, it really isn’t Trump’s decision about what will remain of the (un)Affordable Care Act. The bill to repeal it will be written by the Paul Ryan House of Representatives, and they will most likely dust off the same text as the 52 other repeal bills they have written which don’t retain any aspects of Obamacare.

  25. consultant13 November 14, 2016 at 11:58 am #


    Trump’s a con man.

    All the bullshit of the last 40 years, he’ll go along with because in various ways, all of it has supported his schemes and lifestyle.

    Trump will be as big a clusterfuck as Bush.

    2 things are certain: another economic crash and another bigger war, here or abroad.

    Short term, we’re all fucked.

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    • Frankiti November 14, 2016 at 6:25 pm #

      Long term: we’re all f*cked.

      On any term: we’re all f*cked

      Key: enjoy the f*ck

  26. michael November 14, 2016 at 12:06 pm #

    The tenor of todays rant is all falsely pessimistic, wrongfully alarmist.
    Indeed the disappearance of the old order heralds the coming of our destiny of unlimited possibilities:

    global warming will make the continent of antarctica ice free and livable in addition to uncovering the enormous amounts of gold and other resources as yet untouched by the human hand.
    Same holds for Iceland. Siberia will be much improved, Canada and Alaska all becoming more attractive.

    Let us not forget the bottom of the sea where vast amounts of extremely concentrated oar waits to be lifted. All it takes is a sturdy pump and a durable hose. On top of that literally enormous amounts of hydrocarbons of the highest quality are conveniently frozen in
    ocean floor sediments (far more than all oil an gas reserves combined). We will be able to run internal combustion engines for centuries more. Indeed it is in our very best interest to retrieve and turn these into harmless CO2 lest they emerge by themselves in much more damaging form.

    Then there are the asteroids. We can tow unimaginable amounts of valuable resources from the asteroid belt into earth orbit
    or use asteroids as low cost, highly effective weapons entirely clean and without radiation hazard. This would save much on military RnD
    in addition to necessitating longer term more stable political alliances since the application of asteroid weapons takes some time and planning.

    What Howard fails to tell us is the miserable form of life that crowded city dwellers must endure: life shortening pollution, lack of space, noise, exposure to bio hazards and contagion chains, centuries old forms of public transportation (a stark reminder of the lack of progress), congestion – all of which makes doing anything at all more burdensome and less effective.

    There is a reason why American cities did not copy the European model: they did not have to! The suburbs and unlimited personal mobility will endure for there is no reason that they should not.

    • malthuss November 14, 2016 at 12:57 pm #

      The tenor of todays rant is all falsely pessimistic, wrongfully alarmist.

      That is the ‘stock in trade’ here, from blog owner and commenters.
      How long have you been reading JHKs works?

      • Q. Shtik November 14, 2016 at 4:51 pm #

        Pessimism and alarmism: “That is the ‘stock in trade’ here, from blog owner and commenters.” – Malthuss


        There’s much truth in your observation Malth, because doom ‘n gloom sells. I am reminded of one such instance from the distant past, of the many that could be cited. Before pundits thoughts could be disseminated instantly to the world they had to rely on written communications on paper distributed by the post office. This was true, in particular, of stock market commentary and prognostications.

        There was this dude named Joe Granville who made a nice living for some 40-50 years publishing his mostly negative (bearish) thoughts and advice. He had such a strong following that one day in January 1981 he advised his clients (and the news spread through the MSM) to “SELL EVERYTHING!!” He caused a world-wide slump for a day or two and the DOW had a one-day decline of 2.4%. In today’s market that would be 452 points.

        If you are in sociology Grad School and looking for a dissertation topic I would suggest “Why Does Gloom and Doom Sell? Consult with the stridently negative, Cold N. Holefield, who would be a fountain of insight.

        • Q. Shtik November 14, 2016 at 4:56 pm #



          s/b Sell?”

          • Frankiti November 14, 2016 at 5:31 pm #

            Pessimism is not doom & gloom. It simply is. It simply is what is free of optimism.

            The human mind must search for a silver lining, it must trigger a hardwired defense mechanism that allows it to move on, to continue, to labor, to persist… in spite of true reality. Things as they are free from human symbolism, human value judgments.

            Unfortunately, few people have adapted to reality. They want progress, they expect progress, that humanity marches to a infinitely receding horizon on the trail of betterment.

    • James Howard Kunstler November 14, 2016 at 2:15 pm #

      There are several annoying trolls infesting this comment section, but you, Michael, are something else: a straight-up imbecile. — JHK

      • snarkmatic9000 November 14, 2016 at 3:27 pm #

        One quickly learns whose posts to quickly scroll past without reading.

        • snarkmatic9000 November 14, 2016 at 3:29 pm #

          who’s, sorry

      • Q. Shtik November 14, 2016 at 4:05 pm #

        Stop pulling punches Jim, let us know what’s REALLY on your mind.

      • michael November 17, 2016 at 5:48 am #

        I would lke to change my displayed username to “su_imbecile”
        but I can’t find a linkt to account management.

    • malthuss November 14, 2016 at 3:59 pm #

      What Howard fails to tell us is the miserable form of life that crowded city dwellers must endure:

      JHK regularly talks and writes about ‘Walk able Cities v. Cities built for cars.’

    • SteveO November 15, 2016 at 9:44 am #

      Love you cornucopians!

      I always need good chuckle after reading Jim’s posts.

    • sprawlcapital November 17, 2016 at 5:11 am #

      I just realized, Michael, that you have written here what we used to call, back in the Sixties, an elaborate put-on.

      Still, I need to point out that it is Greenland, not Iceland, that will be free of ice if its ice pack–now hundreds of meters thick–melts in the next few years.

      Also, metals are smelted from ore, not oar.

    • WoozyCanary November 20, 2016 at 1:42 am #

      This is the stupidest goddam thing i’ve read in a long time. And i read a lot.

  27. venuspluto67 November 14, 2016 at 12:24 pm #

    Actually, I think the identity-politics fixation is little more than a distraction and a fig-leaf. The main reason the Democratic Party has become a rump-party between election 2010 and now is mostly because of Obamacare, AKA the woefully misnamed “Affordable Care Act”. It has never been appreciated by the working and lower middle classes, especially now that its depredations are actively harming what remains of the financial well-being of these classes. But blue-state, big-city liberals just keep right on drinking the Kool-Aid about it, thus guaranteeing that the Democratic Party will become a dinosaur of political history unless it returns to its pro-working class and cultural libertarian moral compass of the pre-nineties.

  28. seawolf77 November 14, 2016 at 12:43 pm #

    That’s the thing. When you print money, and you force people to use it at gunpoint, how long can the ruse last? As long as people accept it for goods. As long as nations accept it for debts and obligations. The central banking model cannot go west to east. China has no vested interest in it, unlike America which was birthed from the old British Empire. That is the tipping point. When China starts making the rules. It will almost certainly mean war. The reserve currency has such power and status it must be defended i.e. it will not go gently into the night. China and Russia will have to defeat the west militarily. Since nuclear weapons don’t exist, what will the next conventional war look like. Missiles are the wild card. Asymmetric Warfare is the future. I am frankly amazed they have not been used more for terrorist attacks.

    • malthuss November 14, 2016 at 1:00 pm #

      Warfare is the future.

      And the present.
      And the past.

      USA drops bombs daily, in undeclared wars.

    • elysianfield November 15, 2016 at 6:52 pm #

      “Since nuclear weapons don’t exist”

      C’mon man….

      • seawolf77 November 15, 2016 at 8:48 pm #

        Normally when that phrase is used they show something…a play where a someone misses an easy dunk, a guy dropping an easy pass, a guy missing a pop fly. The only city ever attacked by an ICBM was London during the blitz. We have never seen a successful test of a nuclear ICBM, And we believe they can destroy the world. Isn’t there something a little wrong with that picture? You want to scare me, SHOW ME.

        • elysianfield November 16, 2016 at 11:07 am #

          Is there any kind of evidence, short of personally viewing a nuclear detonation, that you would find acceptable?

          • seawolf77 November 16, 2016 at 11:58 am #

            I can’t think of any. It’s like the moon landings. There’s a natural progression to things that just isn’t there for these two events, and they both reek of propaganda and fraud. Even a cursory investigation shows the mendacity. I find it incredible they can keep the ruse going.

  29. FincaInTheMountains November 14, 2016 at 12:53 pm #

    I propose a network of roadways graded such that cars may coast under the influence of gravity == Din

    If someone points out to you that your pet theory of the universe is in disagreement with Maxwell’s equations—then so much the worse for Maxwell’s equations. If it is found to be contradicted by observation—well these experimentalists do bungle things sometimes. But if your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics I can give you no hope; there is nothing for it but to collapse in deepest humiliation.

    Sir Arthur Stanley Eddington

  30. aNanyMouse November 14, 2016 at 1:02 pm #

    Cbeard, I also applaud Elrond’s analogy about Trump’s challenge being similar to JC’s. The MSM teed off on Trump (“calling Mexicans rapists”) much like they spun Carter’s “malaise” speech, even tho JC was (at least somewhat deservedly) MUCH less feared by most Americans than is Trump (incl. by many who voted for him).

    But I’ll sit OUT this “locked and loaded” stuff, at LEAST until the (very unlikely) event that I could see how such extreme remedies wouldn’t make a bad situation worse. For starters, any such remedies risk disrupting the oh-so-very vulnerable JIT delivery system of FOOD etc. I’ll hold my nose on Carterification of Trump, rather than risk a Mogadishu-type environment in a country containing so many Special Snowflakes.

    Before you start this “locked and loaded” stuff, you might reflect on the vivid quote from Cromwell: “I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible that you may be mistaken.”

    I’ve been quite close to folks from across the political “spectrum”, from the alt-Right to the PC Left, and I’ve striven to heed Cromwell’s words when talking to all of them, as both a matter of principle and prudence. I find the failure of most Americans to so heed his words, to be quite tragic. They would do well to study the (range of) responses to JHK’s posts, esp. those by Elrond, and (some by) FincalnTheMountains.

    To return to the JC analogy, much hinges on whether FincalnTheMountains is right, about Trump’s support from the Developers, oil & coal guys, etc. Dare they try to fight the GOP establishment and its donors? If Trump voters go for second-amendment remedies, do the Deep State guys sympathize enough to lay low, or do they obey Establishment orders to clean house (without making it a sh*t show like happened with Koresh)?

    Too bad for Trump that he had to choose a Pence, instead of an Agnew-style Impeachment Insurance. (Whoever is the highest- stature guy at all close to Bannon’s crowd would’ve sufficed!)

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    • HappyMoto66 November 18, 2016 at 12:03 pm #

      Perhaps Deep State will clean house as they did in Afghanistan? Twelve years and counting. Or maybe Iraq? Or insert name of military action here. Once the gloves come off they come off on both sides. We will see a shit-show unknown in these parts since the mid-eighteen hundreds.

      I remember facing orders to move against Americans in a period of my military service after returning from Nam. I guess I find it hard to believe that a good portion of the military would not switch sides. The police would be looking after their own families.

      As far as the JIT delivery system goes it won’t take domestic warfare to disrupt that. Financial collapse, grid disruption, or even seriously pissed off truck drivers, would do the trick in less than three days.

  31. fodase November 14, 2016 at 1:06 pm #

    lol so pathetic to see little jimmy kunstler try to denigrate President Trump.

    jimmy, you and the rest of you retarded liberals were so intelligent as to elect, twice, the most anti-American, pro-muslim killer, racial civil war igniter, lover of cop assassins, etc. president in history.

    his great achievement is a federal law mandating putting men in little girls’ bathrooms, or something like that.

    by the way, good luck on your ‘contraction’, let us know when it really, finally, finally, no really, finally, finally finally is here

    technology just laughs at your luddite predictions

    • malthuss November 14, 2016 at 3:51 pm #

      Fresh air. [chemtrails]

      Fresh water [fluoride]

      Fresh Food [GMO].

      THERE ARE REASONS TO PINE FOR THE PAST. [luddites that we are].


    • WoozyCanary November 20, 2016 at 1:51 am #

      Gee, and here i was thinking Obama was just a gay, communist alien from another planet. It’s worse than i thought.

  32. Bro Jobe November 14, 2016 at 1:21 pm #

    I didn’t come here expecting hope, but from JHK I oddly got some:

    “Here’s my idea: how about forming a credible opposition to the so-called Deep State, the matrix of racketeering and empire-building that has drained the life out of this polity. ”

    Yes. I’ve longed for the muscular progressive politics of an earlier era before the Left got soft and whiny, but this time the hour is probably way too late.

    As for swamp-draining, Trump arrives with his own swamp. He’ll either make a new swamp or get bogged down as former enemies stoke his already massive ego.

    The only question now is which disaster will we face first?

    I was in a Lowe’s yesterday for a few odds and ends. I tried to envision it without cheap junk from China as well as some precision-made tools from China. I imagined shelves bare, save for some locally sourced pine lumber. We don’t even make fasteners here any more. If Trump starts a trade war with the Chinese that does not quickly go ‘kinetic,” I see myself like Robert Earle in the first World Made By Hand Novel, going to our landfill to get some salvaged nails.

    This will not end well for anyone, except bacteria that feed on rotting matter.

    • elysianfield November 15, 2016 at 6:48 pm #

      “This will not end well for anyone, except bacteria that feed on rotting matter”

      Yes, Bro,
      Bacteria and the cottage industry built up around manufacturing fasteners.

      • Bro Jobe November 16, 2016 at 1:55 pm #

        In pre-industrial times, the careless apprentice at the carpenter’s shop had to take all the nails he bent (no screws, folks) to the blacksmith to get them straightened.

        Cottage industry indeed. Imagine building things we have without screws and an impact-driver.

    • WoozyCanary November 20, 2016 at 1:48 am #

      Evolutionary reset. Species go extinct when they outgrow their niche and/or are unable to adapt to changing conditions.

      Higher lifeforms will eventually evolve from the surviving forms. Stop back in a few million years.

  33. seawolf77 November 14, 2016 at 1:29 pm #

    My prediction is Michelle Obama in 2020. The former president’s wife model will work for her because Obama didn’t Monica her. Let’s face it, Hillary was never popular but Michelle is wildly so. She would win in a landslide, because Trump will fail spectacularly this term. Wall building, tariff raising, currency wars are all recipes for disaster and he espouses all of them.

    • bibliomaniac November 14, 2016 at 1:56 pm #

      Michelle Obama, as I understand it, could not be less interested. Elizabeth Warren is the answer.

      • Janos Skorenzy November 14, 2016 at 3:17 pm #

        She already sold her soul by shutting up about TPP and getting on the Hillary train. She can’t be trusted obviously.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 14, 2016 at 2:08 pm #

      She obviously hates America, thus her comment that Barack’s inauguration was the first time she was proud of her country. She also was disbarred and her record sealed. She also was responsible for the Obama care rollout disaster as she got her incompetent friends hired to do it.

      • bibliomaniac November 14, 2016 at 3:15 pm #

        She may have a point. Shirley Chisholm claimed she had been more discriminated against as a woman than as an African-American. Take your pick, but don’t take both.

        • malthuss November 14, 2016 at 3:52 pm #

          We dont worship heros here.

          Even when the are PoC.

          • bibliomaniac November 14, 2016 at 10:28 pm #


  34. John Ford November 14, 2016 at 1:44 pm #

    I think one of the other living arrangements that hasn’t seen much critical attention is the unsustainable suburban-like rural homes that are becoming more common. That’s a suburban style house on a large to very large lot completely outside of cities and towns. Here in Ontario there is a growing discontent with the increasing cost of supplying urban-like services to these ultra-low density residences, particularily electricity. The residents of those motor vehicle dependent homes are squealing for subsidies funded from taxes or higher density urban consumers. I wonder if that was a minor theme in last week’s U.S. election.

  35. bibliomaniac November 14, 2016 at 1:55 pm #

    Hope we can all “roll with it” when we hit the massive global depression predicted by Philippe LeGrain in his article “Trump’s New World Disorder” In the recent issue of “Project Syndicate.”

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    • malthuss November 14, 2016 at 3:52 pm #

      In 300 words or less?

      • bibliomaniac November 14, 2016 at 10:45 pm #

        A few more words than that, malthuss, but he simply reiterates your peach pit analogy.

    • Yuri Sowryteski November 14, 2016 at 10:41 pm #

      +bibliomaniac ~ You mean the global depression caused by Philippe LeGrain? This is the same “liberal establishment which Marine Lepen threatens when she suggests common laborers be paid justly for working with their hands, a blasphemous idea to all technocrats. Probably because he can’t hold a hammer properly. BTW Lepen doesn’t use the phrase “a living wage”, it’s a more sanguine phrasing indicating hand labor of skill, self employed, as I gathered from the translator.

      When I heard her interviewed, I expected to have to listen to some nut; 15 minuets later I knew she was being given the same treatment as Bernie Sanders last Summer. then at about 21 minuets, I thought, Yea! You fracken’ establishment media: when you are leaving the cities to set up your hacienda’s, the peons round here are armed and we don’t happen to have enough food to share with citiots. All globalism is local, or will be.

      • bibliomaniac November 15, 2016 at 11:14 am #

        I hear you talkin’, Yuri, the media is a farce and Bernie was screwed, but for Trump to repeal the Paris Climate Agreement? All the world’s hammers won’t hack the final revenge on our stupidity–to be served by a woman—Mother Earth.

  36. Doreen November 14, 2016 at 2:16 pm #

    All of this mess: social, financial, environmental, etc., all stems from insatiable consuming, ad nauseam.

    People by large have lied, cheated, manipulated, bullied, and killed in various means the souls of others to have what they wanted from their own “deep state” of being.

    And now we are shocked, dismayed and outraged at the state of affairs we find ourselves in? Everything is simply reflecting the carnage upon this planet we each have attributed to in greater or lesser degree. Enough was never enough for us, and we blindly sacrificed like a madman our innate nobility on the altar of ego, materialism, and sensuality.

    I don’t know about you, but this person is ready for some real change. And since selflessness and giving is the opposite pole to the cause of all this mess, I for one, to the best of my ability, will now live to benefit all of life.

    • Q. Shtik November 14, 2016 at 3:41 pm #

      since selflessness and giving is the opposite pole to the cause of all this mess, – Doreen


      Fu*k selflessness.

      Selfishness, for lack of a better word, is good. 😉

    • Janos Skorenzy November 14, 2016 at 3:51 pm #

      Well said. But remember, Buddha did not teach pacifism to all, but only for monks. Without the greater Sangha, who will provide for the monks? Who will, if need be, protect them? Thus the Burmese are driving the Muslims into the Sea. If they wanted to stay, they shouldn’t have started raping women and setting meditating monks on fire.

    • Yuri Sowryteski November 14, 2016 at 11:18 pm #

      +Doreen ~ I’m with you, though the preceding reply to biblomainiac and Philippe LeGrain does indicate I won’t be sharing or giving anything to Philippe LeGrain or his class. There are people, and then there are people, and then there are too many people to live on one planet without killing the planet and themselves. I myself being one of those in the later case, though I’m not planning on being here for long. While I’m here I’m not going to be a peon on anybodies hacienda. An attitude that may get me removed sooner than later, alas.

      We have to have butterflies, birds, bees, and other pollinators to have food. We need a diversity of ecosystems, to be part of life. We need wild places, not wall to wall people.

  37. amb November 14, 2016 at 2:23 pm #

    All speculation. No one knows what direction things will go in; what will happen. Too many variables. Too many black swans circling overhead (none of which anyone is aware of… by definition of what a black swan is). We’re in unfamiliar territory. I’ll take this first win that the Bush and Clinton criminals are at least off the political playing field, and the second win that both of our establishment parties are in states of dishabille and are imploding. I’ll take the win of disruption to the status quo. Onwards and upwards!

    • bibliomaniac November 14, 2016 at 2:49 pm #

      I am also glad to see the backs of them. And now for something completely different…….fascism mainstream.

      • Janos Skorenzy November 14, 2016 at 3:55 pm #

        Yes, hopefully – since Fascism means State control over the Corporations. You’ve been supporting it all of your life under other names perhaps. When presented fairly, the vast majority will choose Fascism over Capitalism or Marxist Socialism, and of course over murderous Communism.

        So? So they don’t present it fairly. They refuse to teach in college because it will simply make too much sense. Thus, as the Druid said, it merely becomes a “snarl” word.

        • bibliomaniac November 15, 2016 at 9:03 am #

          Mussolini met a rather colorful end.

        • elysianfield November 15, 2016 at 10:43 am #

          “it merely becomes a “snarl” word”


          Yes, the word “Fascist” carries some baggage from our recent past. How about a name change? New and improved packaging? What’s in a name, anyway. I would suggest, calling Fascism…’Bumblepuppies”. Who wouldn’t want bumblepuppies in their life?

          Imagine how the CFN readership would respond to you if, instead of a self-proclaimed Fascist, you were a Bumblepuppy…all warm and cuddly. I could just reach out and pinch you!

          We could also change the name of Capitalism…”Cruella” has a nice ring to it….

          • Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2016 at 3:29 pm #

            I’ve corrected Being There many time on this. And of course, one of her own pundits, the Arch Druid, did a wonderful series on this. Doesn’t matter. She and her ilk reject the Truth because they prefer the Snarl, the Slander, and the Lie.
            Mommy Hillary lied to them. So now they are running to Daddy Bernie.

    • Q. Shtik November 14, 2016 at 3:44 pm #

      both of our establishment parties are in states of [dishabille] and are imploding. – amb


      Thanks for the new word. Never heard it before.

    • Yuri Sowryteski November 14, 2016 at 11:24 pm #

      I was standing on a hillside last week, watching the Sun go down, when I heard a chopper coming out of the north. In a minuet I could see it, flying straight south, black, no marking, at about 400 ft altitude.

  38. 99 cent nation November 14, 2016 at 2:42 pm #

    Finally we have gone over the cliff. The ride now will be short and swift until we hit bottom.

    • Frankiti November 14, 2016 at 7:14 pm #

      There you go again… for many, they’re only beginning their crawl from the crater.

  39. Janos Skorenzy November 14, 2016 at 3:12 pm #


    Meanwhile Huma was seen weeping on the street. Wearing her usual far too much makeup, she looked like a sad clown.

  40. Janos Skorenzy November 14, 2016 at 3:16 pm #

    The election of Trump was a triumph for the Squares of the World. Astronauts trailing the better half by a million mile cable Pilots. Nerds. Guys who used to weak pocket protectors and long White tube socks. Crew Cuts. White guys in other words – and the girls who follow them.

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    • malthuss November 14, 2016 at 3:54 pm #

      A student of Secret Societies sent me a talk.
      Made on a cell phone.
      At ‘Ping Pong and Pizza’ –???

      Podesta?? talking human sacrifice?????

      • Janos Skorenzy November 14, 2016 at 4:03 pm #

        Who knows? Maybe behind all the Satanic child abuse hysteria of a couple of decades ago, there was some real fire. But Crowley himself never did such things as I understand him. He courted misunderstanding as part of his magical path. In “The Book of Lies” he talks about the sacrifice of male children – that’s simply ejaculation.

        Satanism is of course, something else again. Besides the flamboyant Anton LaVey (a conservative law abiding friend of the police), was/is there something real? Obviously sex with children comes close since it is scarring them for life. The perpetrators must know this. And so if they are willing to do that, what limits will they respect? Any? If they are at the highest levels of wealth and power?

        • malthuss November 14, 2016 at 4:39 pm #

          True or not?

          Remember a year or two ago when Miss Japan was half Negress?

          Yep, the pageant was run by a Jewess that year.

        • seawolf77 November 14, 2016 at 8:54 pm #

          Blood sacrifice is required for conjuring demons. That is what magick is. Aleister Crowley doesn’t need any apologists, he was a satanist. Jesus Maude.

          • Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2016 at 12:47 am #

            You ignorance is abysmal, Hump. There are many kinds of Magic. White Magic does not use blood.

          • seawolf77 November 15, 2016 at 9:00 am #

            White magic isn’t magick. Crowley put a “k” on the end to differentiate his magic from others, since it is the 11th letter in the alphabet, and 11 is the most important number to occultists. The fact you ignored it proves your ignorance.

  41. mow November 14, 2016 at 3:43 pm #

    Everytime i google ” the jetsons ” I am redirected back to google.

    • malthuss November 14, 2016 at 3:54 pm #

      Try DuckDuck Go.com

  42. someonetakethewheel November 14, 2016 at 3:57 pm #

    Infrastructure improvements might be the best way to spend the rest of our declining capital, particularly if concentrated on projects which anticipate peak oil and climate change.

    Improving our railroads have been suggested already and is one of my favorites. Probably the greatest individual contribution to CO2 warming effects is our addiction to frequent flying. Civilian aviation has doubled since 1999, today there 8.3 million passengers flying daily and travel continues to grow by 5% a year. Aircraft contribute close to 15% of total global warming effects, including NOX, carbon monoxide and huge quantities of water vapor (all of these are also warming gasses).

    Incidentally the impact of business and first class travel is 6 -9 times that of economy seating. Emissions are also proportional to passenger weight so the obesity epidemic is not helping.

    This does not include military aviation, BTW. Numbers are hard to obtain but the US military consumes about 29% of total US energy. An F-4 can consume up to 14,400 gallons of jet fuel per hour. Military usage is also exempt from any global climate change agreements, making civil improvements almost meaningless, I suspect.

    So if we are serious about fighting climate change one of the most effective tactics would be to reverse and reduce air travel. Short flights are more polluting than longer ones so we could start by building competitive higher speed rail. This has already proven successful on the NYC – Washington DC route.

    Transcontinental and international travel is a tougher problem. Presently a NYC – LAX trip by air takes about 4.75 hours, plus the airport time. Car travel takes a theoretical 42 hours of continuous driving. A hypothetical 200mph high speed rail link would be about 15 hours. An Amtrak journey is currently at least 66 hours, although it’s the most entertaining, relaxing and fuel efficient method.

    New highway construction now usually includes paved pathways for walkers and bikers. I suspect these may turn out to be quite valuable when we are reduced to pedal powered rickshaws and cargo bikes.

    • someonetakethewheel November 14, 2016 at 4:00 pm #

      Also note that aircraft emissions are injected directly into the upper atmosphere where do more damage than releases on the earth’s surface.

      • InquiringMind1 November 18, 2016 at 12:43 pm #

        Thanks! Wonderful post and Knowledge filled! We need to see more engagement like this on this blog. I really hope the new President is thinking like this too!

    • malthuss November 14, 2016 at 4:27 pm #

      ‘Declining capital’ is due to over spending, yes?
      Guns and Butter.

      • someonetakethewheel November 14, 2016 at 4:30 pm #

        It is due to overspending on the wrong things and the declining return on energy invested, which is going to get much worse as we go along.

  43. K-Dog November 14, 2016 at 4:46 pm #

    JHKs makes the point is that the job before Trump is to handle contraction as America gets thinner, thinner, thinner.

    To be fair there is no politician who has the faintest notion on how to make us prosper on the way down but of them all Trump seems most ill suited mentally to shoulder the task. I am not speaking about intelligence but disposition. Trump may not have the obligations and owed favors that force a typical politician into a walking coma of ineptitude and inactivity as has been true for the last eight years while we squandered away time left for effective preparations for collapse. That he has going for him. The problem is I don’t see the notion of limits in his world view at all and he is not a man who will be changing his world view while he still breathes.

    An age of ‘let them eat cake’ lies before us. The long emergency has now become the long absurdity!

    • someonetakethewheel November 14, 2016 at 5:17 pm #

      Some voters just wanted to toss a grenade into the system, others truly admire Trump and think they too will have gold plated toilets someday.

      The most interesting question now is will he serve out the full 4 year term without impeachment, elimination or quitting.

      • K-Dog November 14, 2016 at 10:21 pm #

        Vegas should give odds on how many days he lasts! How the odds would get figured I have no idea. If I could get a buck fifty on my dollar I’d bet he does not make it all the way to four years. But four years or only one, he can do a lot of damage. He could push us past the point of no return if we are not there already. Collapse is in our future.

        People who think they will get a gold plated toilet someday too are full of …………. hope!

  44. Pucker November 14, 2016 at 5:01 pm #

    Is Apple an “American” company? I recall reading in a book about the Pentagon Papers that Apple has a complex offshore ownership structure to shift profits legally offshore?

    What does it mean to have a “Trade War” when companies are international?

    If your goal is to dismantle Globalism, then you might want a Trade War?

    • Frankiti November 14, 2016 at 5:14 pm #

      No worries… Tim Cook is full of ideas.

    • Pucker November 14, 2016 at 6:23 pm #

      Panama Papers….

    • Yuri Sowryteski November 14, 2016 at 11:42 pm #

      I remember reading in American Rifleman, an article about Smith & Wesson, and who owned it. Like “87, I kept the issue, have it somewhere still. Very complex, too complex in fact to conclusively answer the question. Anyway, what it meant to me was, I don’t want to contribute to such a society. I reduced my footprint, invested in handtools, stayed single, childless, debtless. I don’t own any S&W products either. Winning a trade war begins with not surrendering to global trade. As Hickock 45 says, “Life is Good”.

  45. Frankiti November 14, 2016 at 5:11 pm #

    “One thing Mr. Trump might get behind is restoring the passenger railroads of America so that we can at least get around the continental nation when the Happy Motoring fiesta grinds to a halt. It would put an awful lot of people to work on something with real long-term benefit — it ties into the restoration of Main Street towns and their economies — and it is a do-able project that might give us the needed encouragement to get on with the many other necessary projects awaiting our attention.”

    Passenger railroads? Regrettably, tech, and the Technosphere, is behind a push for a future of driverless vehicles, and with it, more dependence and subservience to that Technosphere. Just think, you can be transfixed on your phablet ordering Amazon drone drops of Keurig cartridges and Fiji water bricks while being ferried to the office park. Humans retrofitted their previously efficient (walkable) built environments around the car. They made and built their new environments around… the car.

    The Tech industry believes the solution, and our future, lies IN the car (despite the car BEING the problem). The problem is not what powers it, not who owns it, not who drives it, but the infrastructure built for it.

    A future of solar to battery charged fleets of leased/rented/shared vehicles. The US has given up on trains, on shared transport, on mass transit because tech titans don’t see anything in it beyond the sci-fi Hyperloop. Y’know? Something enormously expensive, dangerous, unrealistic and dependent on future Tech.

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    • pequiste November 15, 2016 at 12:48 am #

      Well considered analysis of the automobile shituation, Frankiti.

      On the other hand, how do you think 3 million truck drivers will respond when their breadwinning skill is relegated to an autonomous-driverless vehicle? TLM – Teamsters’ Lives Matter.

      Jim and Dmitri Orlov had a very clear-eyed discussion of the Technosphere in a recent CFN podcast. A clarion call to the problem with contemporary techno-pathology and the oncoming catastrophic tsunami of the just-over-the-horizon Singularity.

  46. Cogdis November 14, 2016 at 5:26 pm #

    Kunstler wrote in Homey D. Clown? Well, congratulations Kunstler. You now have the president elect you deserve. Like millions of Americans presented with deeply flawed candidates, yet still having a choice of A or B (or C or D if you want to include Libertarian and Green choices), you failed to pick the sane choice. Trump got less votes than Romney in 2012 and even got less votes than McCain/Palin in 2008. You and other pseudo democrats who failed to vote handed the election to Trump. Did you see the look on Trump’s face election night? One could have written in a thought bubble above his head “Oh shit. Now what?”

    Churchill is often quoted, “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.” Rather than a corn-pone Nazi, you now have a champagne and caviar (Russian caviar) New Yorker with no public service experience, who hasn’t been able to articulate any cogent ideas on foreign policy, provided contradictory statements on foreign policy, stated he knows more than the generals and strategists battling ISIS, and has no idea how to pay for or implement his crazy ideas. Oh yes. And don’t forget the undisclosed tax returns, pride in not paying taxes, the assorted misogyny and racism, and the definite intention to take advantage of his conflicts of interest.

    America, what were you thinking?

    • Frankiti November 14, 2016 at 5:41 pm #

      That the reward of upsetting naive @ssclowns like you is far more fulfilling than any derived from holding onto any faint hope of worthy leadership from a US presidential election.

      • Cogdis November 14, 2016 at 6:16 pm #

        Given a choice of “poor” or “terrible”, if I had a vote in your election, I would’ve chosen “poor”. Not naive, but not a quitter either.

        What a sad and small person to think of a Trump victory: “It was worth it to see the fog of Hillary-smuggery lift across the cable TV networks since the “I’m With Her / It’s Her Turn” fog was a cover for the looting operation that the permanent Washington DC establishment had turned into, including the Clinton Foundation.”

        News flash, the Long Emergency just got a lot shorter. Many people feel if Trump’s policies don’t build on Paris climate agreement, dealing with climate change in any meaningful way is finished.

        • Frankiti November 14, 2016 at 7:10 pm #

          That ship has sailed! Earth has passed the event horizon, and most know this, and know it as nothing more than a mechanism to build a tradeable false commodity, carbon, and depress growth of developing countries.

        • Florida Power November 14, 2016 at 8:11 pm #

          So if you were with Her you voted for “the looting operation that the permanent Washington DC establishment had turned into…”

          Hope that expands your sense of moral superiority, even if our host ended the phrase with a preposition.

          Here in Dunbville there were not a lot of Hilary signs. But this one stuck: The H with right-pointing arrow ( any leftist non-dumbells contemplate that iconography?) with the note printed below “sane people live here.”

          Oh yeah. Sane people. Like the sane people on either side of the divide in 1861.

    • Yuri Sowryteski November 14, 2016 at 11:48 pm #

      You may want to prepare your thinking for President Lepen, and Chancellor Petry.

  47. janet November 14, 2016 at 5:27 pm #

    “Michelle Obama, as I understand it, could not be less interested. Elizabeth Warren is the answer.” –bibliomaniac

    Michelle has no legislative experience. Neither Michelle nor Elizabeth Warren have military experience.

    Tulsi Gabbard has both legislative and combat experience. Plus Tulsi has values and had the ethical sense to resign from vice-chair of the DNC.

    Tulsi Gabbard for President, 2020.

    • bibliomaniac November 14, 2016 at 9:06 pm #

      Sounds good to me. But Warren is a bear on the banks.

  48. Frankiti November 14, 2016 at 6:11 pm #

    But it was just a lie, just a lie
    Just a lie, just a lie
    Even at this angle
    And so we crumble
    Still turning heads, you know where it’s at
    This dread still covers us
    You gotta be kidding me
    The grass grows over me
    Your face in the glass, and it’s dark now
    It was just a laugh, it was just a laugh
    It’s whatever you say it is
    Split infinite

    And there’s nowhere to hide
    You run to the back and you cover your ears
    It’s the loudest sound you’ve ever heard
    In your darkest hour

    If you had another one
    If you had another name
    So dark

    • seawolf77 November 14, 2016 at 8:57 pm #

      The porcine poet

  49. janet November 14, 2016 at 6:25 pm #

    “Reality TV, in Trump’s version of it, is our modern farce. There are people who demand their daily farce: This was Marx’s unwitting discovery. They insist on being entertained. About the realities of their own political situation, those people may understand nothing. They understand a personal reality, though. They want to sit in the audience and laugh and cry. Especially they want to shake their fists at villains. They want to boo and hiss. They want to tremble in loathing. If someone comes out on stage who is capable of making them do so, they will clap. It is pathetic.”

    —Paul Berman, “Trump and the Joys of Hatred: Explaining the Nihilist Candidate’s Brutish Appeal” [appeared in Tablet, December 7, 2015, two months before a single vote was cast in the Iowa Caucus or the New Hampshire primary.]

    • bibliomaniac November 15, 2016 at 9:10 am #

      I am the spectacle that has appropriated your identity….

  50. Pucker November 14, 2016 at 7:08 pm #

    I think that the US President may have the power to impose selectively tariffs on particular classes of Goods? If so, Trump could maybe use the Chinese to punish Trumps enemies? For example, I understand that Trump does not like Apple?

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  51. laceration November 14, 2016 at 7:11 pm #

    Well at least we going in the right direction from Globalism to Nationalism–maybe spiraling disintegration will force it to Localism. The Conservatives, who largely elected Trump caught on to a lot of good issues, but I don’t expect the bulk of them to give up the drive everywhere all the time way of life too easily. They can go into paroxysms when you suggest it’s stupid or on its way out.

    • BackRowHeckler November 14, 2016 at 9:23 pm #

      How else do you expect us to get around? Trolley tracks got ripped up about 80 years ago, and a passenger train hasn’t passed thru town since 1919. Walkers are suspect and attract attention of the police, and only the brave and the desperate ride city busses. That leaves us only one option.


      • pequiste November 15, 2016 at 12:34 am #

        No. Three: bicycle, rickshaw and tuk-tuk.

        Side note: wait til UBER corners the post-collapse rickshaw ride-share biz.

        • BackRowHeckler November 15, 2016 at 1:58 am #

          I know P, but how will we summon our Uber rickshaw ride when the grid is down and cell phones are left overheated, melted and smoking and useless?


          • pequiste November 15, 2016 at 11:31 am #

            Smoke signals; special “ride needed” flag hung outside house; meet at designated rickshaw stand; good old fashioned Gotham City taxi (now rickshaw) hand-flag-down; variation on the traditional thumbing-it hitchhiker pose at the crosssroads; etc. You see — the possibilities are endless with a little lateral thinking. Thank you so very much, Edward de Bono.

            A whole lot of lateral, parallel, and non-linear thinking will be required during both the Trump presidency and in any post-collapse scenario.

  52. Pucker November 14, 2016 at 7:15 pm #

    The DNC is dying. The DNC may be ensnared in its own web of Political Correctness, blindly hurling at people who have a different perspective the toxic alienating labels of “Racist”, “Sexist”, “Bigot”, “Evil”, etc.


    • Pucker November 14, 2016 at 8:56 pm #

      Rather Sad, if you think about it.

  53. BackRowHeckler November 14, 2016 at 8:17 pm #

    Q (Ken) you’re a Mason?

    Now we know who to blame when the sh-t hits the fan, pulling strings and directing events from a secret underground room at Yale, based upon your roadmap, the hieroglyphics on the front side of a $1 bill.


  54. KesaAnna November 14, 2016 at 8:31 pm #

    I took a break for awhile , ’cause the chronic BS was annoying me.

    Glad I came back ! ^-^

    Lot’s of giggles this week ;

    Gold ?
    Gold ??
    Gold ???
    Seriously ?

    I got this image in my head immediately of illiterate Ukrainian’s who didn’t even know what a flush toilet was, pulling gold out of Jews mouths because the soft-handed , white-collar scions of the master race couldn’t be bothered .


    Like the usual, ” locked and loaded ” comments. Obviously another devotee of that kooky religion that so venerates science, but clearly hasn’t studied that science, like military science, for even five minutes.
    You’ll run out of ammunition most likely before the end of the first day , Then your techno holy relic will be worth less than a Wheelock .

    In any case, rest assured, there will never , ever, be a shortage of 15 year old boys willing to kill people, and to be killed, for a pathetic pittance of an AK -47 and a free lunch.

    So another big lol.

    And then there’s ;

    “…Obviously sex with children comes close since it is scarring them for life. ” – Janos

    Well, believe it or not, I was past 15 years old before I learned what homosexuality was.
    Now they are teaching 8 year olds in school what anal intercourse, and bestiality are.
    — And they might as well. It’s no worse than what is on TV , or on the covers of the magazines in the grocery store isles.
    — Not to mention teaching them that it is GOOD to mouth drivel like , ” Sure, Abraham Lincoln ordered scorched earth for an entire region of North America, but he was a great humanitarian ! ”
    Or , ” Handing over one-fourth of the world to Stalin and Mao was a great victory for freedom ! ”

    How the heck could you possibly scar or pollute , use, abuse, or exploit, children more than you already have ?


    But then , what do you expect? The Nationalism in National Socialism was to be taken about as seriously as the socialism in National Socialism . And I can’t possibly fathom how anyone who ever read Mein Kampf , Hitler’s table talk, or the recorded minutes of OKW staff meetings, could know other than that Hitler held white people in complete and utter contempt ?


    • Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2016 at 12:42 am #

      Teaching kids about these things is the same as doing it to them? Right – just like looking at a woman is raping her if she doesn’t like it. Kesa, your lower nature is interfering with your higher faculties tonight.

      Hitler would not have turned Europe over to Muslim rape monkeys. The Allies did, both then (Mongolians and Moroccans) and now.

  55. janet November 14, 2016 at 8:56 pm #

    What now?

    “I’m going to instruct the US trade representative to bring trade cases against China, both in this country and at the WTO. I intend to enforce our rules and they know it’s coming. They have to understand we’re not playing games any longer, folks. We’re not playing games. The 45% is a threat that if they don’t behave, if they don’t follow the rules and regulations so that we can have it equal on both sides, we will tax you.”

    “China will take a tit-for-tat approach then. A batch of Boeing orders will be replaced by Airbus. US auto and iPhone sales in China will suffer a setback, and US soybean and maize imports will be halted. China can also limit the number of Chinese students studying in the US. Trump, as a shrewd businessman, will not be so naïve.”

    This is what you get for putting a mediocre businessman in the White House. Not very smart that Trump has announced his intentions to China months in advance. China has been able to prepare for what Trump is going to do, since he told them exactly what he plans to do. What now?

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  56. KesaAnna November 14, 2016 at 9:34 pm #

    Hee hee,

    yeah, the Chinese are very shrewd .
    If you complain about working 16 hours a day for a wage that won’t even pay the grocery bill, they run a tank over you, on TV no less .

    — And that’s how they negotiate with college graduates . 😀

    But you are so deft, and subtle, and sophisticated , you will convince them to let you keep your pleasant sinecure…….how, and why ?

    When they can just as well replace you with one of those grad students they run tanks over ?

    Noooo, this is not what you get when you put a mediocre businessman in the white house.

    This is what you got when you played whore to Satan 40 years ago.

  57. janet November 14, 2016 at 9:47 pm #

    What now? Trump says he is going to deport criminal immigrants, but the police apparently have a say in the matter and the Feds cannot tell local police what to do.

    Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck said Monday that he has no plans to change the LAPD’s stance on immigration enforcement, despite President-elect Donald Trump’s pledge to toughen federal immigration laws and deport millions of people upon taking office.

    For decades, the LAPD has distanced itself from federal immigration policies. The LAPD prohibits officers from initiating contact with someone solely to determine whether he or she is in the country legally, mandated by a special order signed by then-chief Daryl Gates in 1979. During Beck’s tenure as chief, the department stopped turning over people arrested for low-level crimes to federal agents for deportation and moved away from honoring federal requests to detain inmates who might be deportable past their jail terms.

    What now? If the men in blue refuse to obey Trump’s commands, Trump is powerless to carry out his agenda.

    • lsjogren November 15, 2016 at 12:21 am #

      Cut off the flow of federal funds to LA.

    • cbeard November 16, 2016 at 8:39 am #

      Lets see how long Mr. Beck keeps his job, when all federal funds, which should include food stamps, welfare, etc., are cut off and sanctuary cities are in danger of descending into total chaos and anarchy. Immigration laws should be enforced. People, including the regular populace and voters, may not be as powerless as you think.

  58. Rod Cloutier November 14, 2016 at 9:58 pm #

    John Michael Greer whom you have interviewed before has been predicting a Trump victory since January and he was right. I know he’s also not thrilled by the result, and you should interview him again sometime soon.

    This is the reaction of the media to this event, a full embodiment of the rage of Hillary losing:


  59. KesaAnna November 14, 2016 at 10:26 pm #

    ” the Feds cannot tell local police what to do. ”

    Neo – Confederate ?

    What to do ?

    well, it might help if you Americans could at least get your story strait.

    I dunno, might help ?

  60. FincaInTheMountains November 14, 2016 at 10:48 pm #

    Although the curse of Madeleine Albright, who sentenced to eternal torment in hell all women who voted for Trump, still remains in force, one of them, warned me that the war with the black bird continues and even gaining momentum.

    And in line with her predictions, in the morning I saw that the memories of the Watergate scandal and related materials continue to emerge in the public mind, surely paving the way for a rethinking by America of its past and the role a sect called black bird
    personified by Madame Secretary played in it.



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  61. lsjogren November 15, 2016 at 12:03 am #

    I’m gonna comment first before reading the article. Here’s my prediction on Kunstler’s takeaways from the election:

    1). He’ll mention somewhere about Trump being a buffoon, but won’t dwell on it.

    2). He will have something to say about how the Democrats losing this election shows what a bunch of idiots they are.

    3). On specific policies:

    He will bemoan that the one thing most certain to get legislated will be a massive bridge and highway program.

    He will comment that one of the few silver linings is that the Democrats will not be able to pursue their insane population explosion immigration policy.

    Now I’ll read the article and see how many points I racked up.

  62. Q. Shtik November 15, 2016 at 12:09 am #

    No BRH, not a Mason.

    Our polling place is a store front Jewish Temple on the Main drag. We are not Jewish either.

    • BackRowHeckler November 15, 2016 at 1:53 am #

      Q, I was just bustin your balls a little bit.

      At any rate … a distinguished looking Gentleman, about how I pictured you in my minds eye.


  63. lsjogren November 15, 2016 at 12:18 am #

    Well, I only deserve about a C. That I did predict involved major themes Kunstler has espoused so not super prescient on my part.

    As to this:

    There is a Great Wish that this system might be replaced just-in-time with some as-yet-unrealized Green Alt Economy of solar-charged driverless electric cars — but, of course, the unchallenged pathetic idiocy of the assumed car dependence at the center of this fantasy ought to tell you how exactly unreal it is.

    I would not call it unreal but I would call it highly unlikely. It seems conceivable to me there could be a post fossil fuel society that heavily involves cars and roads as today. However, that would require viable renewable-energy vehicles as well as an answer to the question: Where in the hell do we get the raw material for asphalt once the fossil fuels dwindle out? As to the renewable energy vehicles- the laws of physics are extremely favorable to man in some areas of endeavor and extremely obstinate in others. Information technology is subject to very modest limits and thus that area of endeavor has undergon hyper exponential advance. Battery science, on the other hand, takes decades of research just to make a small incremental advance. I read somewhere that today’s batteries are about twice as good as the lead acid batteries used for the original electric cars circa 1900. That’s not much progress in over 100 years in which other areas of science have advanced beyond belief.

  64. Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2016 at 12:34 am #


    Cleaning up ISIS and World Peace are on the Agenda. It’s really that easy with the right Men in charge. Silly women kvetching about Trump after voting for war mongering Hillary. We need to get them out of politics.

    • janet November 15, 2016 at 12:59 am #

      “Cleaning up ISIS and World Peace are on the Agenda. It’s really that easy with the right Men in charge.” –Janos

      Trump said, and I quote him: “She [Hillary Clinton] gave us ISIS as sure as you are sitting there. And what happened is now ISIS is in 32 countries…” Janos, you believe that will be easy to “clean up”?

      Of course, Trump will not tell us what his secret plan is … for a simple reason … he has no plan. Torturing ISIS fighters and killing their children is not a plan. It is a war crime. The military has already said it will not carry out Trump’s illegal orders to commit war crimes. Killing six month old or two year old kids is bad form and turns the world against us.

      Trump is a bullshitter and con artist. He does NOT know more about ISIS than the generals.

      Trump wants us to believe he is going to eliminate ISIS so fast our heads will spin, and some people actually believe Trump’s words, LOL!

      • Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2016 at 2:06 am #

        Well first we have to stop supporting them and the people who fund them – “our” Allies the Saudis, who also funded Hillary.

        No doubt you want ISIS to come here with millions of well dressed “Syrian” “refugees”. They’re so virile – far more exciting than the hated White Men who have given you everything. The Muslims will take everything from you – and you will love them for it.

      • bibliomaniac November 15, 2016 at 1:00 pm #

        Janet–you nailed it. The point the (discredited) Philippe LeGrain makes is that casting Muslims as enemies is a powerful recruiting tool for the Islamic State. Once we try to isolate and ID them here–terrorism will bloom in the provinces like mushrooms. Goebbels claimed that propaganda works by displacing aggression on specific targets for hate. Trump is doing just that. Keep the serfs fighting each other over the scraps while the neocons continue their thievery.

        • Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2016 at 1:22 pm #

          Well said, Bib. To paraphrase Justin Trudeau, If you win, you lose. Therefore if we want to “win”, we have to lose. So let’s bring in tens of millions of Muslims to breed on our dime and make us into dhimmis. That’ll show ’em!

          Look at how much Europe is “winning”. We could do the same and would have under Hillary.

          • bibliomaniac November 15, 2016 at 1:39 pm #

            You’re right. It’s turtles all the way down. So many brush fires, we’re not sure which ones to piss on first.

  65. FincaInTheMountains November 15, 2016 at 4:05 am #

    Of course, Trump will not tell us what his secret plan [defeating ISIS] is … for a simple reason … he has no plan

    Oh yes, he does! Cleanup ISIS collaborators from high echelons of power in US, EU and NATO and finish them off with Syrian and Iranian armed forces with Russian air support.

    Cleanup of Clinton collaborators has already started in Russia: yesterday was arrested Alexey Ulyukaev, minister of economic development, while taking a cash bribe of 2 million dollars.

    I surprised at the number of those who sincerely believe that Ulyukayev’s arrest warrant was given personally by Trump.

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  66. Piper Michael November 15, 2016 at 5:22 am #

    Good Morning James,
    Southern gentlemen never say “I told you so.”, but in your case, since you are still just know it all yankee scum(sic 😉 ), I’ll make an exception.
    You remember, I told you that this would be the Gomer Pyle election?
    Remember Gomer?

    But, that’s because I, unlike you, knew what was waiting for them at the polling booths of America… silent seething outrage. And that was even before Email gate. Millions of Americans fed up with plastic people on TV, plastic politicians, plastic morals, a worn and dull plastic empire of debt. Where money goes in and nothing much comes out.

    I told you a long time ago, that The Last Trump of God was blowing in the whirlwind sewed by The Elite Establishment, and that a flawed messenger was blowing out a simple message;

    And we woke up, and we were pissed about it. And no amount of media bullshit could do anything but make it worse, and worse. Every word out of their plastic mouths just validated our innermost Jungian Id that what was in front of our eyes, was a lying, deceitful, crooked, wicked, and self serving bunch of narcissistic aristocratic wannabe’s, and JFK was right.

    “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable”.

    Another prediction for you?
    The Bastard Globalist army, will try to turn electors, oh wait, that shits already in the works… ok, they will try to stop him, trip him up, thwart his every move, just like they did Caesar Obama the First.

    But, we do agree on one thing, America will never be great again, because I agree with your reasons, fortunately, we will get a reprieve from leftist nonsense on a daily basis and at least somebody will allow adults back into the room, to at least TRY.
    Then, we’ll have the civil war, race war, WWIII, whatever, the Earth needs cleaning, and only death can bring new life.

    • seawolf77 November 15, 2016 at 1:14 pm #

      I was just talking about him.

    • cbeard November 16, 2016 at 9:07 am #

      I agree with your every word. I appreciated the southern gentleman statement. I too am a born and bred southerner. Sometimes gentlemanly in nature, sometimes not. I wonder how many of the posters here are from south of the Mason-Dixon line. No matter, there are still lots of good ideas to be found here and lots of utter bullshit too. The last statement wasn’t so gentlemanly but theres a time and place for everything, including civility and incivility.

  67. FincaInTheMountains November 15, 2016 at 7:31 am #

    Bye Bye Blackbird

    Christmas sparkle with a spectacular from The Rattonians

    Grant Martins leads the ladies in a fabulous tap routine to Tap Your Troubles Away and Rachel Brett leads a sultry Bye Bye Blackbird.

    The world celebrates!

  68. FincaInTheMountains November 15, 2016 at 7:46 am #

    So it begins

    Syrian sources report attack by Russian cruise missiles which began hitting in the provinces of Hama, Idlib and Aleppo.

    It is also reported that at night Russian aircraft attacked the positions of “Al-Nusra” west of Aleppo.


    Bye Bye Blackbird!!

  69. seawolf77 November 15, 2016 at 8:52 am #

    Constipated Donald needs to take some EX-LAX and get that moot look off his face. Go drop a turd man!

    • 100th Avatar November 15, 2016 at 12:49 pm #

      Speaking of turds, please divulge what a “moot look” is in your estimation.

      • seawolf77 November 15, 2016 at 1:03 pm #

        Something like that.

  70. beantownbill. November 15, 2016 at 9:25 am #

    Looks like the conservatives are getting back the shit they threw at Hillary flung back at them by liberals.

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  71. Doreen November 15, 2016 at 10:24 am #

    ” Brotherhood, and Love, is the way, right now.”

  72. elysianfield November 15, 2016 at 11:34 am #

    Trump’s election has caused angst amongst Hillary supporters. I had no idea the responses captured would be as emotive as pictured. Please reach out to the disaffected with the same empathy that you know I share;


    Be forewarned!

    • Q. Shtik November 15, 2016 at 12:48 pm #

      I think the chubby-faced chink woman will look back at this youtube some day with great embarrassment. Did she ACTUALLY say she was going to kill herself “and I’m not kidding…you better fix this.” ?

      BTW, I don’t think of the word ‘chink’ as derogatory and I don’t mind in the least being referred to as a ‘honky.’

      • Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2016 at 1:54 pm #

        How bout beaner – as if there’s something wrong with eating beans!

      • elysianfield November 15, 2016 at 6:12 pm #


        Honky, peckerwood, white bread, ofay, redneck, Casper, whitey…I respond to them all…my response, of course, is predicated upon the situation.

        • Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2016 at 6:59 pm #

          If a brick comes thru their back window while driving thru South L.A, White Breads will get out and discuss the situation with the natives. Peckerwoods will floor it. So anti-social! Yet they will live to drive another day and the White Breads will not.

          • elysianfield November 16, 2016 at 11:09 am #

            Funny, but it was in South Central LA that I first heard the term “whitebread” applied to me.

  73. bukowskisghost November 15, 2016 at 12:07 pm #

    In the words of Don Henley, “Get over it!” all of you typists!

    • Q. Shtik November 15, 2016 at 12:30 pm #

      In the words of Taylor Swift: “Shake it off.”

  74. FincaInTheMountains November 15, 2016 at 1:23 pm #

    Russian liberal elite has lost its patron in Washington

    Liberal team was put in Russia by Bill Clinton’s administration. And, in general, in many respects, continues to be supervised by the same people who were determining global financial policy in the 90s (the most famous of them – Larry Summers). But Trump will almost certainly require of Putin dismissal of “financiers” and their supporters around him, as a guarantee of partnership. The fact that Trump is going to cut a deal with Putin – is almost obvious.

    As soon as it became clear that with the victory of Trump the liberal team in Russia lost its “roof” in Washington, it ceased to be untouchable.

    Curiously, Ulyukayev’s arrest occurred a few hours after the telephone conversation between Putin and Trump.

    An Ulyukayev arrest is like throwing a brick into the bushes, where too many liberal fat cats are sitting and screaming with vile voices.

  75. Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2016 at 1:55 pm #


    Our Allies against the Elite, right Bibs?

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    • bibliomaniac November 18, 2016 at 11:35 am #

      Hey Janos–i may have a dog in this fight, but I just drop in now and then to poke a few holes in some blowhards, and add a soupcon of civility. So sue me, smart ass.

  76. capt spaulding November 15, 2016 at 2:31 pm #

    It seems to me that there are a lot of parallels between this era and the 1930’s. We had a huge recession, or depression if you will, the economy has declined, the middle class has had the shit kicked out of it, the country is in perilous economic shape, and the people are tired of seeing the disgraceful state the government is in. (The fact that politics is firmly under the control of the capitalists.) What happened in the 30’s was the rise of fascism. Italy, Germany, Spain, & whatever. What this signified was the fear of the people with regards to the economy, and the uncertainty of what the future would bring. The reaction was to try to bring things under control again, which meant control of the country, which meant fascism. I don’t have a dog in this fight, like some people here, I’m just interested in what the implications hold for us. I think that we are headed for another fascist period. Seems to me that all of the signs are there. This election surprised everybody, including the winners. I would be interested in what other people’s take on this situation is. I apologize for not having the ability to phrase things like JHK does. Seems to me that we are headed for another era of control of the people in the name of restoring what we think of as “normalcy”. Never mistake this: We are in dramatic, historical times. History books will show the dramatic changes we are going through. Like I said, I would like to hear the opinions of the people who inhabit this website.

    • Doug November 15, 2016 at 6:41 pm #

      Capt, I agree with you that it feels like the late 1930s with competitive currency devaluations, economic stagnation (but not depression in depth but like depression in duration) and challenges from Russia and China due to the intentional power vacuum of US foreign influence engineered by Obama.

      I do find it encouraging that Putin said to Trump that he hopes to repair the disastrous state of relations between Obama’s administration and Russia. (Hillary would have been terrible and maybe more disastrous; perhaps catastrophic).

      We’re not in a depression though, more like a fairly permanent stagnation with enough inflation to hurt the average consumer (especially true when you look at statistics that take out the top 5% to see how the bottom 95% is fairing)

      I think Trump IS the revolution if he isn’t overwhelmed by a financial crisis. I agree with JHK on this. I fear that he won’t go far enough in a drastic reduction of the Fed Govt. All the loan making agencies have to be sold off, many departments have to go: Energy, HUD, Education, Commerce, etc. Many departments need drastic downsizing and house-cleaning.

      I’m afraid only financial catastrophe will force that kind of reset. And with the money printers still in business at the Federal Reserve, there is NO WAY the government can go broke. So, the Federal Reserve has to go too.

      The US government going broke is EXACTLY what is required to reset the welfare rot, toughen our lazy, entitled population, end the money center ‘hedge fund’ banks, cut down the drastically bloated government bureaucracy, and to create a massive deflation in medical, tuition, defense procurement costs and all other costs to levels that people can afford. This becomes more clearly true when you realize that average incomes will never going to catch up with all the inflated prices if we continue our current path. Inflated prices need a drastic depression-like reduction. A government bankruptcy would pressure personal incomes too for a few years, but I think prices would drop a lot faster.

      OK, I’m rambling now. Loved your comments though. Take care.

      • malthuss November 16, 2016 at 11:42 am #

        We’re not in a depression though, [gee thanks].

        I know that the USA is in a depression. 200 trillion. Or 20T, if you want the official number.

  77. Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2016 at 2:36 pm #

    Pat gets it. It’s not rocket science – just the End of America as Liberals knew it and loved it. It’s Morning in America. Reset. If that causes mourning in some, all the better. The future of horror they had so lovingly mapped out has been cancelled.

    By Patrick J. Buchanan

    “If I don’t win, this will be the greatest waste of time, money and energy in my lifetime,” says Donald Trump.

    Herewith, a dissent. Whatever happens Tuesday, Trump has made history and has forever changed American politics.

    Though a novice in politics, he captured the Party of Lincoln with the largest turnout of primary voters ever, and he has inflicted wounds on the nation’s ruling class from which it may not soon recover.

    Bush I and II, Mitt Romney, the neocons and the GOP commentariat all denounced Trump as morally and temperamentally unfit. Yet, seven of eight Republicans are voting for Trump, and he drew the largest and most enthusiastic crowds of any GOP nominee.

    Not only did he rout the Republican elites, he ash-canned their agenda and repudiated the wars into which they plunged the country.

    Trump did not create the forces that propelled his candidacy. But he recognized them, tapped into them, and unleashed a gusher of nationalism and populism that will not soon dissipate.

    Whatever happens Tuesday, there is no going back now.

    How could the Republican establishment advance anew the trade and immigration policies that their base has so thunderously rejected?

    How can the GOP establishment credibly claim to speak for a party that spent the last year cheering a candidate who repudiated the last two Republican presidents and the last two Republican nominees?

    Do mainstream Republicans think that should Trump lose a Bush Restoration lies ahead? The dynasty is as dead as the Romanovs.

    The media, whose reputation has sunk to Congressional depths, has also suffered a blow to its credibility.

    Its hatred of Trump has been almost manic, and WikiLeaks revelations of the collusion between major media and Clintonites have convinced skeptics that the system is rigged and the referees of democracy are in the tank.

    But it is the national establishment that has suffered most.

    The Trump candidacy exposed what seems an unbridgeable gulf between this political class and the nation in whose name it purports to speak.

    Consider the litany of horrors it has charged Trump with.

    He said John McCain was no hero, that some Mexican illegals are “rapists.” He mocked a handicapped reporter. He called some women “pigs.” He wants a temporary ban to Muslim immigration. He fought with a Gold Star mother and father. He once engaged in “fat-shaming” a Miss Universe, calling her “Miss Piggy,” and telling her to stay out of Burger King. He allegedly made crude advances on a dozen women and starred in the “Access Hollywood” tape with Billy Bush.

    While such “gaffes” are normally fatal for candidates, Trump’s followers stood by him through them all.

    Why? asks an alarmed establishment. Why, in spite of all this, did Trump’s support endure? Why did the American people not react as they once would have? Why do these accusations not have the bite they once did?

    Answer. We are another country now, an us-or-them country.

    Middle America believes the establishment is not looking out for the nation but for retention of its power. And in attacking Trump it is not upholding some objective moral standard but seeking to destroy a leader who represents a grave threat to that power.

    Trump’s followers see an American Spring as crucial, and they are not going to let past boorish behavior cause them to abandon the last best chance to preserve the country they grew up in.

    These are the Middle American Radicals, the MARs of whom my late friend Sam Francis wrote.

    They recoil from the future the elites have mapped out for them and, realizing the stakes, will overlook the faults and failings of a candidate who holds out the real promise of avoiding that future.

    They believe Trump alone will secure the borders and rid us of a trade regime that has led to the loss of 70,000 factories and 5 million manufacturing jobs since NAFTA.

    They believe Trump is the best hope for keeping us out of the wars the Beltway think tanks are already planning for the sons of the “deplorables” to fight.

    Moreover, they see the establishment as the quintessence of hypocrisy. Trump is instructed to stop using such toxic phrases as “America First” and “Make America Great Again” by elites who think 55 million abortions since Roe is a milestone of moral progress.

    And what do they have in common with a woman who thinks partial-birth abortion, which her predecessor in the Senate, Pat Moynihan, called “infanticide,” is among the cherished “reproductive rights” of women?

    While a Trump victory would create the possibility of a coalition of conservatives, populists, patriots and nationalists governing America, should he lose, America’s future appears disunited and grim.

    But, would the followers of Donald Trump, whom Hillary Clinton has called “racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic … bigots,” to the cheers of her media retainers, unite behind her should she win?

    No. Win or lose, as Sen. Edward Kennedy said at the Democratic Convention of 1980, “The work goes on, the cause endures.”

    What Hath Trump Wrought?

  78. Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2016 at 3:47 pm #


    Another ally for Biblio to go serfing with. She knocked down an old man. Biblio sympathizes: she must have felt microaggressed against, thus her macro-aggression. He had it coming since he was all White and shit. One of the bad ones, not a good one like Bibs.

  79. capt spaulding November 15, 2016 at 4:04 pm #

    Nothing new there. I’m hoping to hear from people who haven’t posted that much on here. No offense.

    • elysianfield November 15, 2016 at 6:23 pm #

      “Nothing new there. I’m hoping to hear from people who haven’t posted that much on here. No offense.”

      Well, Cap’m, that was mildly offensive.

      • Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2016 at 6:54 pm #

        Yes, the answers are hard and simple. Too hard and simple for the complicated. They want more interesting (add italics) things and more of them. They want new styles of velvet gloves and we want the mailed fist. Once it does its work, the glove can go back on. New styles then will be fine.

  80. FincaInTheMountains November 15, 2016 at 4:19 pm #

    Like I said, I would like to hear the opinions of the people who inhabit this website — capt spaulding

    My opinion was and remains the same:

    With high probability WWIII is postponed beyond the medium term. This is very good news for everyone that WWIII will not happen in the near future based on the unprepared, empty bluff of Russophobian hysteria, with the secret plan of sudden dagger-like nuclear attack from the missile launchers near Russia’s borders in Eastern Europe.

    Globalists have no problem to risk the US population to solve their problems; it’s funny that urban residents of both coasts of the United States almost unanimously voted for Clinton and globalists.

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  81. janet November 15, 2016 at 6:17 pm #

    Captain Spaulding, I agree with you that we are headed for another fascist period. What that means is taking things away from us. Taking away lots of things, including constitutional rights we know have, including entitlements we now have.

    From how I read Paul Ryan, Trump, Pence, and company, they are coming after social security, medicaid, and medicare. When people realize what he really wants to do, there will be a movement against Trump, probably an impeachment.

    It is all anxiety producing, like watching a slow moving train wreck, knowing your family is on the train.

  82. KesaAnna November 15, 2016 at 7:27 pm #


    Fascism, like the great USA itself, was part and parcel of the cheap energy, happy motoring culture.

    the USA never really existed prior to that.

    If you had asked, in 1840, “which region is most likely to secede ?”

    The likely answer would have been New England .

    When it did finally happen — well we are all familiar with that episode ( though most through a self-serving, flattering, very convenient Imperialist veil masquerading as something very much other than imperialism ) — that was only in 1860 .
    There were still a few veterans of the Revolutionary war around when the union almost came apart.

    There was the Wild, wild west ; Jesse James got away with his shenanigans , what, almost 20 years ?

    But then the period of colonial expansion ended , the wild west faded away , around 1890.

    1890 – The oil industry was just coming into its own . The coal industry was booming. Food production was phenomenal even when Wall Street tanked. And so on.

    Like I said, USA -The Great Power , was part and parcel of the cheap energy , happy-motoring culture.

    You really don’t have to be a history buff, you know this, you ignore it.

    Fascism ? Like Germany Italy or Spain ?
    Lol ,
    Your context is noting like Germany, Italy or Spain.

    Your examples should be Russia and China . You know that too, but you don’t want to use those examples, and for good reason.

    Russia and China don’t impress Belgians or Luxembourgers ; THEY FEEL SORRY FOR THEM.

    No, you won’t get fascism, what you will get will be more like moldy, creaking, Tsarism or Mandarin-ism.
    A shoddy, inept, silly, stupid, pathetic authoritarianism.

    Authoritarianism without a cause, Authoritarianism without a clue.

    You’ll be the country they feel sorry for, the country they make jokes about.

    People who preach small scale and local ( rightly ) —and then in the next breath bemoan that the USA has become a Frankenstein’s monster , and ” Gee , what can we do ! ”

    — Are every bit as delusional as the Cyborg and colonization of Mars crowd.

    Yeah, building a temple to Abraham Lincoln was ludicrous , like those Russians who praise Stalin’s non-existent great era.

    Get over it, before you royally screw yourself.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2016 at 8:06 pm #

      We’re going back to Coal, Kesa, whether you like it or not. And yeah, it’s gonna be dirty – but beautiful too. Start getting into Steam Punk aesthetics. Trains running on coal with beautiful pumes of smoke belching upwards. Smoke slowly wafting up on freezing mornings. Much food for mediation there. Yes, yes, we will clean it up as much as possible. But sometimes people will need to wear breathing masks – and they will become part of the aesthetic. Don’t start smoking whatever you do.

      And Yes!, the small house movement will go forward. We will not let the Capitalists divert it for profit. We’ll have millions of little units, suburbs that go on for fifty miles – tiny houses, all made out of ticky tacky and all exactly the same. Everyone of them with a chimney, everyone burning coal. Coal bins alongside the house. Milk Men will be coming back – but wearing black this time. White will be impractical because of the pollution.

      • the camels bell November 15, 2016 at 9:17 pm #

        A sociopath died suddenly and found himself at the portal of the Next World.

        A rather ominous and grim Angel asked him:

        “Rather skilled you were at causing pain, disorder- why?”

        “Well,” he stammered, “you never gave me a conscience!”

        “Idiot,” the Angel thundered, “that was so you would have no qualms about destroying evil!”

        “What will happen to me?” the sociopath whimpered.

        “Far backwards for you, maybe you’ll learn better starting over again as an HIV strand!”

      • janet November 15, 2016 at 9:23 pm #

        Janos, Trump now must make good on what many energy experts always saw as an empty promise—or, far more likely, explain in four years why he couldn’t.

        I don’t doubt the Trump administration will move within his first 100 days to change environmental rules that are unpopular with the fossil fuel industry. What Trump does not know, or does not care about, is that doing so will allow a dangerous rise in greenhouse gas emissions.

        More to the point, Trump does not seem to realize that no amount of regulatory rollbacks can bring the coal sector roaring back at this point. That’s because regulations aren’t the industry’s real problem… market forces are. Coal simply cannot compete with cheap natural gas. Coal is no longer the cheapest form of energy.

        Trump thinks he put miners to work again, but mining jobs have been in decline since a boom in the 1970s, falling even while production climbed. Trump does not appreciate this is because of shifts toward highly mechanized and less labor-intensive methods like mountaintop removal and strip mining. There were more than a quarter of a million U.S. coal mining jobs in 1979. As of October 2016 there were fewer than 54,000. The coal mining jobs are not coming back.

        With his promises to coal miners, Trump, once again, shows he is a con artist, a liar, and not concerned about the rape of America’s landscape.

  83. Pucker November 15, 2016 at 11:28 pm #

    Would you open the door on Halloween to a bunch of Black Lives Matter Trick-or-Treaters?

    • pequiste November 15, 2016 at 11:58 pm #

      Yes, but only if they were dressed as…….

      wait for it……..


  84. KesaAnna November 15, 2016 at 11:47 pm #

    Wow ! Really ?! I wish !!

    since you spoiled, entitled , control-freak, junior G-men patriots started seeing child-killers behind every tree ,

    I haven’t actually seen a trick-or-treater in, what , 25 years ?

    • elysianfield November 16, 2016 at 11:19 am #

      “I haven’t actually seen a trick-or-treater in, what , 25 years ”

      It is the one’s you don’t see that you should concern yourself with.

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  85. InquiringMind1 November 16, 2016 at 1:49 am #


    I would just like to say Congratulations to our new American President elect Mr. Donald Trump!

    I wish him every success in leading our nation.

    I feel we have averted nuclear war with Russia for starters!!!

    Thia was probably Providence………..

    Inquiring Mind1

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    • janet November 16, 2016 at 2:18 am #

      “This was probably Providence” –Inquiring Mind1

      Trump is a Presbyterian, so there is no free will, only God’s will; so Trump’s presidency was predestined.

      “One solid, bedrock belief at the heart of Presbyterian theology: God is in charge of life – of your life, my life, all of life … It’s all about God’s sovereignty … God being in charge … How it all works is a mystery that we can never fully make sense of with our human reason.”

      There you have it. Trump is president as a result of Presbyterian Divine Providence. Relax and enjoy God’s love. And remember: God has a sense of humor!

      • InquiringMind1 November 16, 2016 at 4:15 am #

        hello janet

        lol….. no, I am not Presbyterian but I have met a few that were very nice people.

        I see Providence as a more universal concept…..and theology is such a deep subject….. I seldom go there. But as a Catholic I’ve heard nothing happens without God’s permission,….

        As I said many many moons ago (about a year?)…….on this blog………………………..

        “In the Immortal Words of Otto Von Bismark……”God takes care of drunks,…fools……and the United States of America.

        I also predicted Trump could be POTUS and I guess at the time it seemed improbable.

        I also said I had a gift of reading the mood of the electorate.

        I understood what was coming because I am deep in the belly of the electors that have chosen every President since Kennedy….for better or for worse.

        I understand the Zeitgeist of our people…..ALWAYS restless…always impatient .


        Speaking of being in a belly….. and discussing theology….maybe Providence did not want any “Spirit Cooking” going on in the White House EITHER! LOL

        • San Jose November 16, 2016 at 1:02 pm #

          I am a Presbyterian (Pres USA) and let me tell you…..my San Jose church is feeling pretty bad about having Trump. A more self-righteous bunch of whiners and complainers would be hard to find.

          I voted for Trump, hence I’m not going to church until Advent when I hope all the politics will blow over.

          Jen in San Jose

          • InquiringMind1 November 18, 2016 at 1:17 am #

            Hey Jen,

            Yea,…this election had many in various churches, communities, and even families disagreeing about who to vote for.

            I was astounded at the total unremitting vitriol spewed at Donald Trump,… and also what I perceived as the arrogance and snobbishness directed at his ” working class” supporters by some reporters on CNN ,, MSNBC, and some other news sources!

            I am shook up at the blindness of more comfortable citizens and Hillery supporters towards wage earners needing some changes made somehow… fast… so they can continue to buy health insurance, and put beans on the table. People are losing hope now in the” median income” bracket of the middle class in… white…,collage educated… older America. Of which I am one.

            you know,…Charles Hugh Smith has an informative treatise on America’s different economic classes. and I’m somewhere near middle to lower middle class. I can’t imagine how much of the working class even holds out another six months economically……as I feel I have been jumping thru Darwinian hoops too for quite a long time!

            This is how I knew the Dems needed a hugh wake up call this time..

            I would send a BIG WARNING out to ANY Republicans that think Donald Trump can be made into their own “Trojan Horse” to trick us… or … to dismiss… the mandate of Trump supporters once again with a repeat of what they did to white working America over these years past. Donald Trump was OUR LAST attempt at being listened to by elite Republicans ……and it is over if economic hardship is hoisted on us again!

            I would advise the Democrats to quit courting other “identity” groups so hard and try noticing the working white classes in the rust belt and fly over places in the U.S…… an entire demographic is truly a terrible thing to waste……… ……

            Once the Democrats represented working people everywhere….. until you became “specialists”…
            perceived as specializing in the angst of people of color, etc.
            Now….. the risk of seeming crude…….

            They really over-did it. The news media and Dems seemed to never notice the white working class displaced by NAFTA …

            Ross Perot tried to warn us but WE TRUSTED THE CLINTONS

            Yes , So many are so upset…we don’t have the luxury to wait long to work through our president ‘s scandals .

            To the dems…and repubs……please let President Trump work….

            Don’t obstruct or create drama unless you have a really good excuse……

            As I see it …work fast…..Or the same people the parties have ignored for decades will have two flavors left…….

            The White Nationalist
            Or Socialist on Steroids

            If you are smart…you two current parties should court them well.
            Earn it…… and don’t insult them!!!!!

            I thought that more liberal folks believed in free speech and were proud of being tolerant but even in my own house I would get shouted down if I tried to explain my concerns about a nation …on a huge scale… that reminded me of middle school…..The working class white kids got snubbed by the white kids in better neighborhoods ….and then threatened verbally and sometimes beat up walking home from class through their own neighborhood by the newly integrated minorities. It is hard I guess for “privileged” people who never experienced this kind of shunning to even GRASP the long memories associated with this. And that includes privileged people of color too.

            Perhaps now would be a good time for everybody to just hunker down and pray for our country..

  86. BackRowHeckler November 16, 2016 at 2:21 am #

    News in CT is standards are being eliminated for hiring police officers, felony conviction: OK, drug user: OK, non HS grad: OK, also physical standards being reduced, don’t have to know how to swim or lift a minimum weight. Reason given is that the state wants to hire more black male and Puerto Rican female police officers.

    Yesterday an illegal in Stamford carved up his wife, then abandoned his 5 year old daughter at Port Authority bus station. In Willimantic, 2 illegals bludgeon their cousin to death, then make a break for it, are captured in Phoenix. The headline in our local rag, “HATE CRIMES ON THE INCREASE SINCE TRUMP ELECTED”


    • elysianfield November 16, 2016 at 11:23 am #

      “News in CT is standards are being eliminated for hiring police officers”

      They did basically the same thing in Oakland in 1971…did not end well.

      • malthuss November 16, 2016 at 11:46 am #

        Lovell Mixon.

        • elysianfield November 17, 2016 at 10:35 am #

          The Mixon incident occurred not 5 blocks from where I lived in Oakland.

    • malthuss November 16, 2016 at 11:47 am #

      Obama effect.
      Disparate impact.


      Such is life among non Whites. Ooops, I am a racist.

  87. Pucker November 16, 2016 at 2:52 am #

    Imagine a World in which a bloke Comments on the way parking spaces are demarcation in a particular city, and he is immediately, harshly excoriated as being a “Racist” and a “Sexist” because the mayor is a black female. This is the World that we live in.

    I’m not sure that the DNC will be able to extricate itself anytime soon from the mental enslavement of its most vocal base? The DNC may just appoint a leader whose main qualification consists of being a member of the Nation of Is…slam, or a person who aborted her baby while in law school?

  88. Pucker November 16, 2016 at 3:23 am #

    Once the American Maoists go down the road of brainwashing people and mindlessly attacking people with labels and slogans it’s hard to return to a world of civilized discourse.

  89. KL Cooke November 16, 2016 at 3:41 am #

    “There are several annoying trolls infesting this comment section, but you, Michael, are something else: a straight-up imbecile. — JHK”

    Oh Jim, you kill me.

  90. FincaInTheMountains November 16, 2016 at 4:13 am #

    Musical-religious factor

    Yahoo is the first to realize the essence of the coming times and gave in the news story about how Vince Gill six months ago, has responded to the recommendation to refrain from performing of Christian music by taking part in the presentation of one of the best quartets, performing spiritual music that has made this into the best quintet ever been


    The confrontation grows and religious factor begins to play in this confrontation ever greater role. In particular rednecks responded to attempts to steal the election not only by cleaning their rifles, but by suddenly gained popularity performance of Christian music that brings panic in the ranks of opponents of President Trump more than the rifles do.


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  91. FincaInTheMountains November 16, 2016 at 4:25 am #

    Regarding alleged Trump and Bannon anti-Semitism

    Hasidic and Conservative Jews are among top Trump supporters and played a significant role in his fabulous victory

  92. FincaInTheMountains November 16, 2016 at 5:13 am #

    Donald Trump has appointed the head of his administration an Orthodox Christian

    44-year-old Reince Priebus, American of German-Greek origin, is an active parishioner of the church of Saint Sophia in Washington.


  93. 100th Avatar November 16, 2016 at 5:35 am #

    John Bolton, Paulson, Priebus, Giuliani… Dimon… can’t.. can’t stop laughing.

    For many of us, Trump already accomplished all that we had hoped for. He banished the Clintons and beat up the media.

    For the other, er, gullible set, who believe in a coming wall, an economy for the little guy, and a noninterventionist foreign policy, well, you’re not deplorable, just really, really, stupid.

    • FincaInTheMountains November 16, 2016 at 7:11 am #

      For many of us, Trump already accomplished all that we had hoped for.

      Well, there is still Hercules’ Fifth Labor: cleaning up the Augean Stables of Corruption. That should improve the economy for the ‘lille’ guy.

    • elysianfield November 16, 2016 at 11:37 am #

      “you’re not deplorable, just really, really, stupid”

      Yes, 8 days after the election, and a couple of months before swearing in, I think it is “possible” some of those things you referenced may, at some level, be attempted.

      You must be very prescient, and confident of your worldview, to insult a group of people you do not know. We may, by you, be considered stupid, but you are yet to be judged….

      • 100th Avatar November 16, 2016 at 4:33 pm #

        .do not know? But I am among you a hundred times or so.

    • capt spaulding November 17, 2016 at 2:50 pm #

      Hi. Your level of cynicism is similar to mine. Regardless of all the true believers who want to beat the drum for Trump, I don’t expect anything better than what we have already got. The advocates of the right are just as stupid as the advocates of the left. Money talks here, and it will continue to do so.

  94. janet November 16, 2016 at 10:44 am #

    Meet the new swamp … more biodiversity than the old swamp.

    Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) voiced concerns Tuesday that President-elect Donald Trump is breaking a core campaign promise of keeping special interests out of Washington ? “draining the swamp.”

    Sanders and Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) said on a call with reporters that they support Trump’s pledge to keep corporate interests out of Washington. “Bernie and I and many of our colleagues agree wholeheartedly with the president-elect on this sentiment,” Whitehouse said. “And we’ve been fighting in Congress to resist the corporate special-interest pressure that surrounds us.”

    But Trump’s transition team, which includes corporate lobbyists and consultants, suggests the president-elect is backpedaling on his promise before he even enters the White House.

    “It doesn’t look like they’re draining the swamp, it looks like they’re pouring the swamp into the transition,” Whitehouse said. “And if nothing changes, they’ll be pouring the swamp into the Oval Office as well.”

    Members of Trump’s environmental transition team, for instance, include Myron Ebell to lead the Environmental Protection Agency transition, Michael McKenna in the Department of Energy, and Michael Catanzaro as an energy adviser. All have connections to the Koch brothers.

    “It looks a little bit like if Donald Trump doesn’t watch his back, the Koch brothers are going to be running his administration for him,” Whitehouse told reporters.

    During the campaign season, many of Trump’s supporters championed him as a political outsider, and Trump himself capitalized on that sentiment during rallies and speeches.

    “We are going to send the special interests packing, and we are going to once again have a government of, by, and for the people,” Trump told a crowd in Des Moines, Iowa, in August.

    Sanders said Trump’s actions in the days since the election don’t match the campaign promises.

    “What we are now beginning to see is what I feared,” said Sanders, who lost the Democratic presidential nomination to Hillary Clinton. “And that is a lot of what Mr. Trump was saying to get votes turns out to be not what he intends to do as the president of the United States.”

    Sanders said he and Whitehouse will continue to remind Americans of Trump’s promises. “We are going to do everything possible to hold him accountable,” Sanders said.

    • bibliomaniac November 18, 2016 at 11:43 am #

      He’s up to his ass in alligators–he’ll forget to drain the swamp.

  95. janet November 16, 2016 at 12:19 pm #

    Meet the new email server… just as insecure as the old email server.

    “US presidential candidate Donald Trump’s criticism of rival Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server while Secretary of State appeared to have rebounded on him.

    Security researcher Kevin Beaumont discovered the Trump organisation uses a hopelessly outdated and insecure internet setup.

    Servers on the Trump Organization’s domain, TrumpOrg.com, are using outdated software, run Windows Server 2003 and the built-in Internet Information Server 6 web server. Microsoft cut off support for this technology in July 2015, leaving the systems unpatched for the last 15 months.

    In addition, Beaumont said he’d found that emails from the Trump Organization failed to support two-factor authentication. That’s particularly bad because the Trump Organization’s web-based email access page relies on an outdated March 2015 build of Microsoft Exchange 2007, he says. “Windows Server 2003, IIS 6 and Exchange 2003 went end of life years ago. There are no security fixes. They don’t have basics down,” the UK based researcher concludes.

    Beaumont’s findings are based simply on inspecting publicly available information rather than actively scanning for vulnerabilities or attempting to gain access to insecure systems, a point lost on Trump supporters who have reported him to the Feds.

    The Trump Organisation responded to Beaumont’s criticism by putting out a statement to the media saying that its web setup is shielded behind a firewall.

    The Trump Organization deploys best in class firewall and anti-vulnerability technology with constant 24/7 monitoring. Our infrastructure is vast and leverages multiple platforms which are consistently monitored and upgraded using current cyber security best practices.

    Beaumont dismissed this line of defence as hopelessly weak. “That’s a bit like saying it’s okay to install WordPress and leave it unpatched forever because there’s a firewall,” the researcher said on Twitter before satirising the stance.

    The email server issue follows a Trump campaign cloud-based server config snafu that left interns’ CVs exposed that surfaced last month.” ® http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/19/trump_insecure_email_servers/

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  96. janet November 16, 2016 at 12:35 pm #

    Coulter said the #GrabYourWallet movement has seen increased interest since the election. “Particularly in the wake of Trump’s selection of Steve Bannon as chief strategist, more and more people are committing to not doing business with companies that do business with the Trump family,” she said.

    The Official #GrabYourWallet Boycott List of Companies that Do Business with and/or Back the Trump Family

    The spreadsheet provides phone numbers and e-mail addresses for retail representatives, so that members of the public can voice their concerns.


    In addition, it suggests alternative “Trump-free” places to shop, and provides suggested language for those unsure of what to say to a given company’s buyers or execs.

    The viral spreadsheet was released just as Ivanka Trump came under fire for promoting a $10,800 bracelet she recently wore on a televised interview with “60 Minutes.” Ivanka is using Donald’s candidacy/ presidency as a marketing channel.

    • FincaInTheMountains November 16, 2016 at 12:41 pm #

      Meet new wpa, same as old wpa…

      • janet November 16, 2016 at 4:02 pm #

        wpa? wifi protected access? windows product activation?

        • elysianfield November 16, 2016 at 7:26 pm #

          Works Progress Administration. It was a depression-era thang in the 30’s.

          • capt spaulding November 17, 2016 at 7:54 am #

            My dad, who was in the CCCs, told me that it stood for Work, Piss, & Argue.

      • malthuss November 17, 2016 at 12:23 am #

        Sex change?

  97. Janos Skorenzy November 16, 2016 at 2:11 pm #


    Everything is changed, changed utterly
    A Terrible Beauty is born.

    Yeats, more or less

  98. Janos Skorenzy November 16, 2016 at 2:16 pm #

    Rush: I won’t be surprised when all the results are in, if we find that a million or so illegals voted. It is by no means certain that Hillary won the popular vote.

    Janos: Bank on it, Cultists: this election is going to be examined with a fine tooth comb. We can do it because we won. And based on the massive corruption that we know we will find, changes are going to be made. Your mass protests simply feed our flame. You want change and you’re going to get it. You simply don’t know what you’re asking for. The electoral system will be kept, but the machines will be opened. And OF COURSE, ID’s need to be required everywhere.

  99. Janos Skorenzy November 16, 2016 at 3:39 pm #


    We’re not sorry. If you try and make us be sorry, you’re going to be sorry.

  100. 100th Avatar November 16, 2016 at 4:42 pm #

    What a cabinet list.
    he drained the swamp but kept the gators.

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  101. fodase November 16, 2016 at 5:36 pm #

    ….continuing on my call for jhk to let us know when ‘contraction’ finally, truly truly, no really really gets here, or has kicked in slowly and we just don’t know it yet….

    A 75-billion barrel oil discovery in Texas…..


    the plants and trees will be absolutely loving all that CO2 to be released. so look forward to falling lumber prices as supply outpaces demand in future decades….

    it’s morning in america again, you people on the left had your chance and failed miserably

  102. rapier November 16, 2016 at 5:38 pm #

    You can forget about a financial dislocation for some time to come. Central banks have only begun to print, to the tune of $21TN so far. That’s chump change. The Fed will be in for another $4TN, at a pace of about $100BN a month soon enough. Probably after a sudden drop in stocks and a continued rise in long Treasury rates. Eventually I expect $100TN in printing counting China. This ain’t over by a long shot.

    • malthuss November 17, 2016 at 12:22 am #


      Inflation is here.

  103. fodase November 16, 2016 at 5:38 pm #

    btw am ordering lots of Trump products online, can’t argue with success

  104. FincaInTheMountains November 16, 2016 at 6:05 pm #

    The song “Bye-bye black bird” was written in 1926 by Ray Henderson, on the words of Mort Dixon and immediately was recorded by Gene Austin, becoming a super-hit, obviously expressing the spirit of the time, then began to spread all over America.

    And not just America. This year in Berlin, a treaty of friendship and cooperation between the USSR and Germany was signed, including the military, and Western corporations, including Ford, General Motors but especially the Rockefeller Fund began to actively support Hitler. A grand knight of the World Revolution Trotsky this year was removed from the Politburo and began to nurture a plan that was described by Ilya Ehrenburg in his novel “Trust DE” about the destruction of Europe.

    The plot of the song is vague, but contemporaries, thinking in terms and symbols of those times, understood it in the sense that it is a song about a prostitute who decided to quit the profession, to say goodbye to New York and go back to her mother, home, to the village. And now she says goodbye to the hard times that in song are represented by a black bird.

    Goebbels propaganda used this song performed by “Charlie and his Orchestra ” to demoralize the British pilots during the battle for London.


    For the sake of completeness I will add one more clip of “Charlie and his Orchestra ” that sounded in the air, when Goebbels began to feel something like Hillary Clinton feels now, after the victory of Donald Trump.


  105. FincaInTheMountains November 16, 2016 at 6:31 pm #

    The song was used in the sound track of movie “Melvin and Howard” that describes the circumstances surrounding the death of Howard Hughes, whom Donald Trump calls his teacher and who not only was a great builder, but also one of the founders of the first commercial airplane able to fly over the thunderstorms.

    And in 1953, he almost put to its knees the very same mass media that were formed after the anti-Communist and anti-Semitic pogrom in Hollywood organized by Senator McCarthy, and that just now almost put Hillary Clinton to highest power in America.

    But the most important thing is that Howard Hughes financed the organization of American soldiers who liberated the concentration camps in Europe, and even after the pro-Nazi coup by Truman continued to hunt down members of the SS, who fled to the Middle East. These Nazis created a Nazi organization ODESSA, which funded the “discoverer” of the Arab oil Jean Paul Getty, whose museum was very instrumental in moving the European Art Treasures looted by Nazi in the conquered Europe.

    Meanwhile, the circumstances of the death of Howard Hughes are very mysterious – suffice to say that in his body were found 30 broken off needles that he allegedly forgot to remove after taking the drugs. But it is known that he was involved with President Roosevelt’s son, whose life is very similar to the life of the son of Stalin – Vasily Stalin and who, together with Omar Bradley managed to create the most anti-Nazi organization, the unofficial anthem and call sign of which became the original “Bye, Bye black bird”.

    And the last years of Howard Hughes were directly related to the Watergate scandal, that buried the first easing of international tensions and the fact that Donald Trump financed the remake of Howard Hughes movie and the movie “The Aviator”, gives us hope that he will not succumb to the intrigues and not going to cooperate with those who dealt so treacherously with Howard Hughes and Richard Nixon.

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    • Janos Skorenzy November 16, 2016 at 8:40 pm #

      Many of these treasures were owned by collectors who didn’t allow public viewing of their collections. I’m sure the artists themselves would have approved of the Nazi plan to allow everyone to see them in museums.

      Why are you going on about this song. Shouldn’t you be preaching about the Battle of Kosovo upon the Field of Blackbirds?


      • malthuss November 17, 2016 at 12:26 am #

        What is the link about?
        It goes on so.

        A statue of Clinton. WTF?

        • Janos Skorenzy November 17, 2016 at 4:25 am #

          It’s about this blogger visiting the scene of the famous battle where the Serbs lost their nation for centuries.

  106. Pucker November 16, 2016 at 7:26 pm #

    Can financial markets be manipulated using Voodoo?

  107. Pucker November 16, 2016 at 10:00 pm #

    I read that Hillary and Bill Clinton and members of the DNC recently met with George Soros at the exclusive Mandarin Oriental hotel in Manhattan to discuss what went wrong? They’re obviously Insane.

  108. Pucker November 16, 2016 at 11:59 pm #

    The DNC’s new business model is: Minorities reaching out to help the disadvantaged white Working Class. They’re Insane.


    • Pucker November 17, 2016 at 12:19 am #

      Black Lives Matter reaches out to the disadvantaged rural white working class.

      • malthuss November 17, 2016 at 12:27 am #

        Poverty, like Time [capital ‘T’] is a great leveler.

  109. Pucker November 17, 2016 at 2:20 am #

    The probable new Chairman of the DNC is a member of Louis Farrakhan’s Nation of Is…Lam who, together with Black Lives Matter,will probably try to reach out to unemployed, rural white hillbillies in Kentucky, Ohio, Michigan and West Virginia.

    • Asoka November 17, 2016 at 3:06 am #

      “The probable new Chairman of the DNC is a member of Louis Farrakhan’s Nation of Is…Lam” –Pucker

      False. Ellison is not a member of Nation of Islam. Ellison used a Quran owned by Thomas Jefferson to take his oath of office. President Obama cited his swearing in an example of America’s religious tolerance in a 2009 speech in Cairo.

      When the controversy first erupted in 2006, Ellison denied that he was ever a member of the Nation of Islam. He clarified that, while he had never joined the group, he had organized a Minnesota delegation to the 1995 Million Man March, at which the Nation’s leader Farrakhan spoke.

      Ellison also apologized at the time for some positive articles he had written as a student in the late 1980s about Farrakhan, saying he hadn’t “adequately scrutinized the positions” of the movement’s leaders. He said then that he believed “they were and are anti-Semitic.”

      Now, thirty years later, the same allegations are being floated on the right as a pre-emptive argument against his bid for DNC chair.

      In a nation founded on freedom of religion, a nation which has over three million practicing Muslims, the attacks on Ellison will fail. There is nothing wrong with being a Muslim and Ellison in fact does represent rural white Minnesota farmers.

      • elysianfield November 17, 2016 at 10:20 am #

        “Ellison also apologized at the time for some positive articles he had written as a student in the late 1980s about Farrakhan, saying he hadn’t “adequately scrutinized the positions” of the movement’s leaders.”

        Right…. Just like a founding member of NAMBLA, after 30 years of active pedastry, denying his preferences, saying he’d not “adequately scrutinized his position”. …Uh, Ruby…I can SPLAIN’ everything…!

      • K-Dog November 17, 2016 at 10:26 am #

        “There is nothing wrong with being a Muslim and Ellison in fact does represent rural white Minnesota farmers.”

        This is true and I’d put everybody’s name on a list that disagrees if I were you. Then like Santa I’d check it twice. Do homeland security agents get paid for the checking it twice part?

  110. Pucker November 17, 2016 at 3:21 am #

    We haven’t had a big High School mass shooting in a while. Maybe it’s because of the US presidential election?

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    • malthuss November 17, 2016 at 9:02 am #

      Police shootings are vogue.

      Lovell Mixon.

  111. Pucker November 17, 2016 at 3:25 am #

    When you were a kid did you ever own a GI Joe? Do American girls now play with GI Joe’s? What happens when she plays with a GI Joe and a Barbie at the same time?

  112. Pucker November 17, 2016 at 3:36 am #

    Women need positive male Role Models, like GI Joe, Superman, Batman, and The Hulk.

  113. FincaInTheMountains November 17, 2016 at 3:45 am #

    Why are you going on about this song — Janos

    It is about the formation of contexts: present / future / past. Real Art can not lie.

    And everybody knows that it’s now or never
    Everybody knows that it’s me or you
    And everybody knows that you live forever
    Ah when you’ve done a line or two

    Melvin and Howard:

    Bye Bye Blackbird – Public Enemies Soundtrack:

  114. Janos Skorenzy November 17, 2016 at 4:28 am #

    The madness of Sweden.

    Daniel Helldén, a Green Party member who is vice mayor for traffic, was quick to blame the record snowfall (15 inches in a day) rather than the new policy. “Gender-equal snow cleaning is not to blame here,” he told the Expressen newspaper, claiming that the policy had apparently not been followed.

    “There is a lack of gender equal snow-clearing now, according to the reports I’m getting,” he said. “It’s still difficult to walk on the pavements — and it is important that snow-clearing prioritizes walkways, public transport and cycle paths.”

    He explained the rationale for gender-equal snow removal: “It hurt more when you fall when walking and cycling, while those who drive are comfortable no matter whether it’s snowing. It is about three times as many pedestrians who are injured than motorists in weather like this. … But there is also an accessibility argument that the city should be accessible to all. Snow and ice keeps many at home. Above all, it affects women who increasingly are walking and cycling more than men.”

    • Q. Shtik November 17, 2016 at 5:57 pm #

      I’m not getting whatever point it is you’re making about ‘the madness of Sweden.’ Please explain.

      • malthuss November 17, 2016 at 8:31 pm #

        There are photos online.
        Muslim bombs explode and cars firebombed. The Meter Police put tickets on burned out cars.

        Punish the Whites, reward parasites.


      • Janos Skorenzy November 18, 2016 at 12:57 am #

        Gender equal snow clearing? Apparently they won’t plow the streets until they’ve cleared the sidewalks and bike lanes.

  115. FincaInTheMountains November 17, 2016 at 4:42 am #

    America Faces Russia

    Historian Thomas Bailey, in America Faces Russia, wrote that with the Union split, Russia had to face her enemies alone. Therefore, Russia had a vested interest in the outcome of the American Civil War.

    The Russians provided a stabilizing force to ensure that the wealthy new nation was not divided in twain; and then the two pieces returned to colonial status – England re-colonizing the North – and France re-colonizing the South.

    Despite the fact that the North had seen recent victories at Gettysburg and Antietam, ironclads that were being built in British shipyards that would soon be sent to the Confederate Navy to help it break the Northern naval blockade of southern goods being exported to Europe – the main source of income for the South.

    In the heart of the Confederacy, French diplomats were busy securing the support of the South to take over Mexico.

    Lincoln had no other friends among European nations. He faced the world alone.


    Only polar crocodile can now save America from the new Civil War!


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  116. FincaInTheMountains November 17, 2016 at 8:26 am #

    Kerosene into the fire

    Hillary finally appeared in public, and squeezed out a little speech. It could’ve said: “Let us all unite, let us build bridges, to work together for the good of the country, forget the insults and disagreements.” That what she used to sing? Tramp supposedly wants to build walls, but grandmamma – bridges.

    Instead she splashed kerosene on the fire of protests. She says – “Never give up! We will fight, but not betray our principles!”. That is in plain text blessed the stupid youngsters to the barricades. And yet affected the psyche of self-pity – Oh, I’m so upset, that in the early days after defeat wanted to curl up in a ball and go home.

    But in mine imagination at once there was an image of a coiled snake.

    • FincaInTheMountains November 17, 2016 at 8:43 am #

      Just finished talking to my daughter – she’s in New York, last year of Medical school.

      Tried my best to impress upon her to stay the fuck away from anti-Trump protests. Of course she’s brainwashed by English 101, but we share same genes and she knows that her old man is not always talks out of his ass.

      Beware of “unknown snipers”!

  117. janet November 17, 2016 at 12:12 pm #

    “This Paul Ryan’s ultimate wet dream come true: Obamacare – gone
    Medicare – voucherized (bye, bye) Social Security – going, going, gone! The second gilded age continues.” –StevoO

    Republicans insist they will replace Obamacare with something better. They have repealed it 60 times in the last six years. Now repeal is suddenly very real, and Republicans are promising they will provide for a smooth transition… BY ALLOWING OBAMACARE TO KEEP FUNCTIONING for a year or two after their repeal bill passes, thereby providing enough time to craft a suitable alternative.

    They have been saying “Repeal and replace” for six years. They have been voting to repeal for six years. Now they have control of the Congress and what do they do? THEY ALLOW OBAMACARE TO KEEP FUNCTIONING! Why? Because they have no idea how to provide health care that is better than Obamacare.

    What would be better than Obamacare? A single payer government-run healthcare program like the VA the veterans have and like Medicare the seniors have: Medicare for All. Already exists. Proven it works. Easy to implement. More efficient. Lower overhead than private health care providers. Better health outcomes. More patient rights guarantees. No double-digit increases. No policy cancellations for “pre-existing conditions” … like being a woman.

    • KesaAnna November 17, 2016 at 12:55 pm #

      Great ! — Except for the scale.

      I could be wrong, but I suspect that way back in the day it all started as a thousand-and-one little private insurers precisely because of that scale.

      When I suggest that the Presidents farts don’t smell any better than the ordinary kind, so perhaps he could at least just as well occasionally take the bus instead of fly, people typically look at me like I just stole Christmas.

      So it isn’t going to be bureaucrats walking from one office to another, It’s going to be bureaucrats flying from Maine to New Mexico.

      And you are right back to the cheap energy, happy-motoring frame of reference.

      you really should get a job with the Washington post , it would suit you better.

  118. KesaAnna November 17, 2016 at 1:29 pm #

    The American mindset typically — and this blog is NO exception — reminds me of Hitler ;

    Let’s not settle for a good , modest, humble, and yes, ugly, tank design. Easy to work on, easy to service. Build the shit out of it, lots and lots of spare parts.

    No, let’s build a tank that can beat all comers. So they got the Tiger and Panther.

    Except that didn’t really work.

    Enter the King Tiger.

    Umm, still doesn’t work.

    So finally the Maus, a tank whose logistical requirements and pre-requisites stagger the mind, and, in any case, the tank could hardly move it was so frigging superlative.

    He lost the war, but his outlook has conquered the world.

    • FincaInTheMountains November 17, 2016 at 1:42 pm #

      Germany always had an exemplary military science, probably the best in the world.

      Always a bad idea to let science to be ideologised and politicized.

    • sprawlcapital November 17, 2016 at 2:02 pm #


      Great comment!

      Nowhere in America is this attitude more powerfully at work than in computer software, with the most dysfunctional player being Microsoft.

      Instead of making software that works, Microsoft adds not-needed features, resulting in a more user-unfriendly product, while changing the graphic interface from attractive and pleasant to work with to ugly and depressing. All the while not correcting problems that are carried forward from one version to the next.

      Examples: Windows 7 (good); Windows 8, 8.1, 10 (bad); Office 2007 (ok); Office 2013 and newer (bad).

      Those of us who have to work with Microsoft products to earn a living are expected to rejoice in all the marvelous new added features of a product that increasingly is junk.

      Hitler’s fixation with elaborate features has infected America big-time.

      • Janos Skorenzy November 17, 2016 at 2:51 pm #

        The new Windows was radically different. It kept my Amazon account open at all times – which I found deeply offensive. It also tried to foist an imaginary character named Cortana on me. This shit is crazy. I went back to Windows 7.

        That being said, German Engineering is widely accepted as being the best in the world, then and now.

        A French pundit once said the perfection of art is knowing when to stop. They don’t seem to know when to stop, maybe because money is involved and people just have to “keep up” with the Joneses.

        • elysianfield November 17, 2016 at 5:26 pm #

          “It also tried to foist an imaginary character named Cortana on me.”

          Was she hot? Any nude pic’s?

        • Buck Stud November 17, 2016 at 8:53 pm #

          Maybe a French pundit once wrote that but Eugene Delacroix, the great romantic painter, derisively wrote about those fastidious, anal retentive types who would ‘paint the back of their canvass if somebody didn’t remove the brush from their hand’.

          Probably, that was an oblique reference to his rival, Jean-Auguste-Dominique Ingres.

          Or maybe he just failed at ‘being German’.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 17, 2016 at 2:44 pm #

      They ran their army on grain alcohol. And beyond that, no Leader before or since had a greater commitment to conservation of the Environment. He wouldn’t force his vegetarianism on others, but he wasn’t ashamed of it either.

      Face it Kesa, you bought all the lies you were told about him. American lies. How very American of you! You still see him as the enemy when in fact he is the archetype of the Leader we so desperately need. Thus the real Enemy has you in his grasp. He is inside you. He tells you if Hitler believed that 2+2=4, then it must not be true. And you believe it.

      • beantownbill. November 17, 2016 at 4:14 pm #

        Oh, please! He was a sick, tortured fuck, an embodiment of evil. Today, I couldn’t let your praising him go by. Unfortunately for you, such praise doesn’t speak well of your own mental, emotional and moral states. No one’s perfect, but your comments are deeply offensive to any reasonable human being. I’m sure JHK was thinking of you when he said there were some annoying trolls on this website.

        • ozone November 17, 2016 at 5:43 pm #

          The shit-painter’s paymasters live in this funny-looking building; sometimes they rubber-stamp his paycheck, sometimes they scrutinize his “output and effect” to adjust the pay. (Reward or punish.)

          What’s nice about this little item is that it addresses a real cause for his mewling and puking about OS concerns. Yes, we can guess that Sir Peters hit the wrong ‘button’ on the e-mail reply and let out the stink. Those of us that don’t count enjoy these little lapses in ‘progress’.

          • Buck Stud November 17, 2016 at 8:47 pm #

            Can you dumb it down a little bit and use a little more restraint on the allusive metaphors?

            Thanks in advance.

          • Janos Skorenzy November 18, 2016 at 12:43 am #

            Have you no shame, little man? Where do you stand on the protests? No comment, right? You refuse to state your position on anything. The very notion offends you and questions enrage you.

        • elysianfield November 17, 2016 at 5:49 pm #

          Hitler…did you ever meet him? No? Well then how did you gain your perspective? History? Who writes the history?
          The Victors. One thing I’ve learned in my 70 years is that is sometimes improper and incorrect to form an opinion of someone by 3rd party ruminations. It is not to say that historical events recorded are not done so accurately, but rather one should factor in cultural, political and realpolitik into the equation to form a more accurate opinion of the efficacy of that historical representation.

          Hitler terror-bombed London, the cruel Blitz…the mighty 8th turned the Nazi cities into rubble…heroic, yes? To hell with that terror-bombing son of a bitch, and thank God for the “Mighty 8th”. (The Brits bombed a German City, perhaps by mistake, and Hitler retaliated…go figure).

          I said many bad things about Hillary…I could be wrong, also…maybe she did have SOME human traits…I just try to keep an open mind…and I do that by believing, not necessarily everything I read, or hear…or lately even see.

          A lot of bad things happened on Hitler’s watch…little argument from this quarter….

        • Janos Skorenzy November 18, 2016 at 12:41 am #

          Yeah, but would he have turned Europe over to the Muslims and Coloreds like the “Allies” have done? No. Would he let Jewish Communism and Bankers rule the world? No, he fought back. Unfortunately, not enough Americans could see the ruse and they fought the Man who could have freed them. So now we find ourselves in a rapidly darkening America, with our back against the wall.

          Now we are coming back. As He said, My spirit shall rise from the grave and the world will know I was right. We influenced this election. And we have even more influence in the years to come.

  119. Q. Shtik November 17, 2016 at 5:40 pm #

    The election is behind us and the filling of Cabinet positions is simply not interesting enough to maintain a high comment count here at CFN.

    And so, I am once again going OFF TOPIC to one of my many peeves associated with sports…in this case the “hot dog.”

    hot dog: a person (such as an athlete) who performs or plays in a way that is meant to attract attention : a person who hotdogs.

    ^This^ definition needs to be way more hyperbolic. The athlete hot dog (or hot dog athlete) needs to be recognized as someone who’s narcissism borders on, but can never equal, that of Donald Trump (since that, obviously, is impossible).

    This past Sunday the NY Giants eked out a win over the Cinn. Bengals, 21 to 20. Odell Beckham Jr., a wide receiver known visually for his two-tone hair (blond on top and black elsewhere), caught a pass from Eli Manning and scored an essentially routine touchdown. He then immediately performed an over-the-top end zone dance while Eli made a small fist pump then walked to the sideline making way for the extra point kick.

    Odell is credited by some with having made the greatest catch in football history in Nov 2014 but the catch/TD on Sunday was, as I have said, more or less routine. But, no matter, it called for a dance no-doubt choreographed and practiced during the week leading up to the game as intensely, or more so, than any actual play during football practice. (For the infinitesimal number of commenters here, such as Janos, who live under a sports rock and cannot concern themselves with such trivia, Odell is African American…as if you wouldn’t know by his name.)

    On the other side of the scrimmage line was Jeremy Hill, a halfback for the Bengals who scored routinely and performed an end zone dance just short of drawing a penalty for ‘excess celebration.’ Jeremy, like Odell, is African American although you wouldn’t know it by his name alone.

    Elsewhere in Pro football on any given Sunday is Carolina Panthers QB, Cam Newton, who was the (college) Heisman Trophy winner in 2010 and who has gone on to do great things in the Pros. If you will Google “Cam Newton’s post-game interview outfits” you will see the epitome of a sports ‘hot dog.’ Cam is African American.

    The antithesis of the three ‘hot dogs’ described above is Giants QB, Eli Manning, a competent whitebread athlete and two-time Super Bowl winner, who shows up at the podium for post-game interviews wearing a suit, shirt and tie purchased from Robert Hall or today’s equivalent.

    I love ‘dull’ in my athletes.

    • ozone November 17, 2016 at 5:54 pm #

      “my athletes”
      There’s your trouble right there, Vicarious Boy. Glory by proxy… is not.
      (Please tell us more about the niggers when you get the chance though. Thanks.)

      • Janos Skorenzy November 18, 2016 at 12:47 am #

        Can you believe how ugly this guy is, Q? I give you permission to keep watching Monkeyball. I am merciful. I will let you live on your knees. Ozone is cruel and wishes you to live on your feet.

        By trying to smear you with the tar bush of racism, Ozone has simply revealed his own sneaky and shameful racism – so different than my proud one.

    • Buck Stud November 17, 2016 at 8:39 pm #

      Many of the current over-the-top celebrators have no fear of someone like Jack Tatum. You might remember Tatum; he was the one who put Darryl Stingley in a a wheelchair.

      And he was also the Oakland Raider who put what should have been a devastating game winning hit on a Pittsburgh Steeler receiver, Instead–and completely as a result of Tatum’s vicious, ball separating hit–Franco H

      • Buck Stud November 17, 2016 at 8:41 pm #

        And he was also the Oakland Raider who put what should have been a devastating game winning hit on a Pittsburgh Steeler receiver, Instead–and completely as a result of Tatum’s vicious, ball separating hit–Franco Harris scooped up the “miraculous reception and the Steelers won.

        • Buck Stud November 17, 2016 at 8:42 pm #

          Have no idea why that posted twice

    • nsa November 17, 2016 at 9:00 pm #

      Jungleball is nothing more than homoerotic spectacle for so called men……africans in plastic hats and tight pants fondling each other and doing jive dances and vamping like female impersonators, while the flabby fans scream like girlies. Pathetic.

  120. janet November 17, 2016 at 7:26 pm #

    “Key Apple assembler Hon Hai Precision Industry, also known as Foxconn Technology Group, has been studying the possibility of moving iPhone production to the U.S.”

    And just recently Volodya was swearing those factories were now Chinese and would stay in China forever.

    But the was before our great savior Trump was elected. Now the overseas factories will be coming back to the USA or else… If China does not play ball, Trump will punish China severely.

    Trump will save the USA and make America great again. The US will be feared and respected once again. All hail the great leader Trump. Speaks loudly, and carries a big stick in his itty bitty little hands.

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  121. Pucker November 17, 2016 at 7:58 pm #

    I read that Hillary and Bill Clinton and members of the DNC recently met with George Soros at the exclusive Mandarin Oriental hotel in Manhattan to discuss what went wrong. Soros may be the Head of the Snake? Soros is now the enemy of Trump, the Chinese, and the Russians.

  122. Pucker November 17, 2016 at 8:51 pm #

    They may Counterattack?

    In her speech, Hillary said: “Don’t give up.” “Continue to fight.”

    Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen signaled the U.S. central bank is close to lifting interest rates as the economy continues to create jobs at a healthy clip and inflation inches higher.


    They probably have to counterattack since they hired agitators and they are mentally enslaved by Political Correctness?

    • Pucker November 17, 2016 at 8:57 pm #

      It’s a civil war by default….

  123. Pucker November 17, 2016 at 10:00 pm #

    Soros may be trying to retain control of the DNC?

    “Prior to her work for NARAL, Hogue worked for MoveOn.org, Greenpeace, Rainforest Action Network, Media Matters for America, and the Friends of Democracy super PAC, a campaign-finance reform group founded by Jonathan Soros.[8] S”

  124. Pucker November 18, 2016 at 2:15 am #

    Ilyse Hogue’s Claim-to-Fame is that she had an abortion while in graduate school, which is a rather bizarre creditial to claim. In any case, how would one know whether she really had an abortion, or it is just another Rachel Dolezal scam?


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      • janet November 18, 2016 at 3:04 am #

        Abortion has been legal in the United States for decades.

    • malthuss November 18, 2016 at 10:45 am #

      Leftist shit. Such people are disgusting.

      See my link to ‘Clinton ed’ aka ‘Clinton Body Count’–I wonder what the statistical odds are that those 80 people were murdered?

  125. pequiste November 18, 2016 at 8:39 am #

    Gotta love the Demoncrats doubling down on their prog superstars:

    – Sen. Chuck Schumer as Senate minority leader! A NY ambulance chaser and professional career politician. A real breath of fresh air and ideas… huh.

    – Rep. Keith Ellison for DNC chair. A yuge positive for the transition to the Halal America Party. OK, but doesn’t this bring with it the same difficulties as the Wasserman-Shultz Affair? Doesn’t the congressman already have a full time, taxpayer-paid job in the federal legislature doing the constituents’ business? Mind your own bizness dhimmis.

    – Rep. Nancy Pelosi for house minority leader. It doesn’t get any better than this: a senile geriatric imbecile with ideas that could only come only from the wilds of San Fransicko. Perfect!

    And then there is the Demoncrat agenda as dictated by George (Top-Evil-Fucker-In-Charge) Soros and the caring folks at such great institutions including NARAL, Southern Poverty Law Center, BLM , Goldman Sacks (sic,) Mt Holyoke College, and CAIR.

    I guess this means the Dems will have Kanye West (or at minimum Beyonce) run for the presidency in 2020 – – it’s all beginning to make sense now. Alright, maybe Lebron James and Lil Wayne with Nicki Minaj as Secretary of State. Yes the picture is getting clearer and clearer……………………………………………………………………..

    • messianicdruid November 18, 2016 at 9:41 am #

      What Now? Prepare for Retribution.

      Ron Paul’s Urgent Warning To Trump


      • pequiste November 18, 2016 at 12:38 pm #

        Excellent video describing the true enemy plus such great organizations including Bohemian Grove; Tri-Lateral Commission; Skull and Bones; etc.


        Trump is hiring plenty of the CFR people — he has no choice.

        “They” are the ONLY game in town.

        Play ball or Zapruder film sequel.

        Looks to be “New boss, same as the old boss” with some colorful tinsel and bombast for entertainment purposes.


    • malthuss November 18, 2016 at 10:48 am #

      I ignore them.

      If I hear Pelosi or Obama on the web or radio, I usually tune them out.
      Pelosis vox is unbearable.

      The vox is the window to the soul.

  126. ozone November 18, 2016 at 8:53 am #

    In this limbo of self-censored quailing, volleys of thought-stoppers and endless reams of worthless keystrokes, it behooves us to wonder what the desired end-result of all this shitbirding might be.

    …It’s to hear the bleat of, “I never saw it coming!”, from the mouths of tens/hundreds of millions, who will then throw themselves on the tender mercies of the Uber-state (the handmaiden of the Deep State). There will be ‘conditions’ placed on the recipients of this ‘generosity’. Ready? Thought not.

  127. fodase November 18, 2016 at 8:57 am #

    Ford just called President Trump to inform him that the company will be staying in the USA.

    And he hasn’t even been sworn in yet.

    Feels great to take care of your own citizens. This is the America
    we love.


    • malthuss November 18, 2016 at 10:50 am #

      Robotics makes us unnecessary.
      See, ‘Georgia Guidestones.’

  128. FincaInTheMountains November 18, 2016 at 10:44 am #

    Today Trump-team celebrates. According to the Japanese agency Nikkei, Apple has sent to its Asian partners, who are involved in the assembly of iPhones, the request to develop plans to move assembly plants to US


    The reaction of the two major Apple partners was as follows:
    1. Pegatron (Taiwan) – refused
    2. Foxconn (China) – has agreed to submit a plan to transfer to the United States, but warned that it would be “very expensive.”

    Apple has two options:
    1. Accept the situation, begin the transfer process and increase prices (see. “Very expensive”)

    2. Publicly announce something like “We have considered with our partners how much it will cost, and decided that it would be a disaster for our business model. There is nothing we will transfer.”

    The problem is that in case of failure of Apple to fulfill the president’s demands a retaliatory move by Trump is calculated in a second – he will implement “custom dues of 45%,” he promised his voters, and this is not the only leverage that he has. For example, Apple has a very (very, very) big tendency to use offshore schemes of tax evasion, and given the political will, the company can be punished severely.

    If any of the above scenarios, the Trump voters will be delighted, and consumers of Apple products and Apple shareholders – not very.

    Similar conflicts are forming with a series of American companies, including Ford and General Motors. Ford had already surrendered. Bill Ford (great-grandson of the Ford), who now runs a company called Trump, and said that he would not close the plant in Kentucky that was going to move to Mexico.

    GM did not surrender and promised to fight.

  129. malthuss November 18, 2016 at 10:46 am #

    Abortion has been legal in the United States for decades.–Asoka

    Abortion has been lethal in the United States for decades.–Buddah

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    • bibliomaniac November 18, 2016 at 12:32 pm #

      Abortion will continue here and elsewhere, legal or illegal, as it has for centuries, and you all know that. We might as well argue about what bathroom to use. Abortion is only a tool to keep us all fighting against an inevitability–and to keep us from paying attention to what is really killing us–the climate.

      • Janos Skorenzy November 18, 2016 at 2:44 pm #

        People go to the South Pole expecting to see huge lakes of melted ice. Instead such PC expeditions almost die of exposure and have to be rescued. The Ice is growing…..

        • bibliomaniac November 18, 2016 at 3:01 pm #


          “2016 set to be the hottest year on record” source: NASA

          • Janos Skorenzy November 18, 2016 at 3:07 pm #

            Obama himself said the purpose of NASA is to make Muslims feel good about themselves.

          • malthuss November 18, 2016 at 5:15 pm #

            AGW was brought in as a wedge issue?

            We might as well argue over tranny toilets?

            Now the shoes on the other foot.

  130. volodya November 18, 2016 at 11:01 am #

    Yeah, but Malthus, We’ve been automating for 200 years. Somebody has to build and service the robots. As long as the robots are built and serviced at home.

    Same thing with something as mundane as a forklift. You can move stuff by hand or with a two wheeled buggy or wheelbarrow. Much better on the aching back to do it by forklift.

    Just think of all the labor that goes into building a forklift, from start to finish, from digging up the raw materials plus every step of the production and selling and servicing process. As long as this is done at home.

    Now we’re digitizing everything. But somebody has to do the coding and building all the elements of the computer hardware. As long as it’s done at home.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 18, 2016 at 2:41 pm #

      Pure folly, Vollly. This is the kind of thing that makes me see red. Machines are supposed to serve man, but you phrased it correctly – we are reduced to machine tending. And c’mon: machines save labor. In other words, they put people out of work. That’s the whole point. And all those stages you mentioned are increasingly automated as well.

      The Ancient Greeks said they would give up slavery when the wheels turned by themselves. We’ve been there for a long time yet the slavery doesn’t end. Instead the machines are just being used to replace us since they are better slaves than we could ever be. Malthus is right: we’re going toward the Elite’s world of 500 million with them on top forever as cyborgs.

      • Buck Stud November 18, 2016 at 10:44 pm #

        Once in a while you type like a fully concerned and awakened human being: It’s good to read these moments.

      • AKlein November 19, 2016 at 8:18 am #

        I understand your sentiments regarding machines and automation, Janos, but they do not address the complete picture. There is some work that is best done by machines. For example, drudge work that requires backbreaking mindless effort, like picking cotton, hoeing weeds, digging foundations, and so on. Further, machines can often perform precision work more accurately and with greater repeatability than humans. So, there are two ways to look at the situation. On one hand, machines can ultimately make human effort irrelevant. But on the other hand, machines can free humans of the drudge work, allowing humans to devote their attention to creative endeavors. Now don’t get me wrong, Janos. Unfortunately, in our hyper-PC world creativity has become “creativity”. Our host JHK writes about the “Starchitects” whose expressions of “creativity” are abominations. Perhaps most humans are just useless eaters. Maybe being “creative” is just another racket in most cases. Without a huge paradigm shift in our culture, these very negative assertions are probably correct.Unless humans radically change, perhaps most arguably belong in the dustbin. Pretty grim, eh?

        • elysianfield November 19, 2016 at 10:11 am #

          “drudge work that requires backbreaking mindless effort”


          Who, then will employ the mindless?

          • Janos Skorenzy November 19, 2016 at 4:24 pm #

            What to do with those who don’t want to work and can’t be idle in a peaceful way? Soma. Or plug them in. See the Larry Niven/Jerry Pournelle near future series. The wire heads live in absolute ecstasy, their brains plugged into the wall and the pleasure centers kept stimulated. They often die from hunger or thirst. The smart ones have a timer that turns it off and doesn’t let them turn it right back on.

        • Janos Skorenzy November 19, 2016 at 4:20 pm #

          But it hasn’t been done, that’s my point. The position of the industrial/commercial Elite is anti-human and always has been. They are unwilling or unable to guide is into this perilous realm since their concern are only personal profit and/or the betterment of their class.

          To your point: some traditionalists say that people won’t know what to do with themselves. They are correct. Is that any reason to deny the rest of us? They respond: We are talking about the majority. I respond: I never said all men were equal and should be considered as such.

          Here’s the starting point: Give all citizens the basics of human life for free, but only a minimum. Then let the game begin. Most will want to do something, either just for the money or out of creativity or a desire for service. Jobs being rarer, or will be more a status symbol than ever. And of course, the ambitious will remain as ambitious as ever. But they will not be allowed to play with human life as they do now. That’s off limits.

          And of course strong borders. Everyone will want in more than ever. It can’t be allowed for obvious reasons. Yes, we could expand this system to other places if they accept the whole package – some control of birth rate, negative eugenics, etc. But of course the Evil Elite and their Leftist Loons just want to use primitive cultures to destroy the West, the hope of the World. Then the Elite will defund and/or destroy them and live as Lords over a global peasantry.

    • malthuss November 18, 2016 at 5:00 pm #

      The 1% [Richest of all the humans] only need another 1-5%
      [well under a billion humans] to keep their empire in place.

      See, ‘Georgia Guide stones’ and ‘CFR Population Control’ and

      ‘Chemtrails, Dane Wiggington.’

      • AKlein November 19, 2016 at 8:38 am #

        Yes, Malthuss, point well made and seriously taken. Yet here’s a thought. The Georgia Guide stones may not represent the “end”. There is potentially another “end” to that story line. Check out an old movie, “Zardoz”, which starred Sean Connery. It posits what may well be the future of the 1%, despite their having “won”. Karma can be a real bitch.

    • malthuss November 18, 2016 at 5:01 pm #

      We’ve been automating for 200 years,

      The Cotton Gin made Black Slaves ‘useless eaters.’

  131. volodya November 18, 2016 at 11:05 am #

    And hurray for Trump. The Trumps haven’t even started stinking up the White House and already corporate offshorers like Ford are smelling the coffee.

  132. volodya November 18, 2016 at 11:55 am #

    Ozone, about the shitbirding: what do we make of this? Could it possibly be that there’s been some fright taken over Mr Trump’s ascendancy? For what do we see but some long-absent and unlamented monikers in the comments section. An affliction surely but I think we make it worse if we engage with such.

    The Deep State serves itself first, then it serves the Oligarchy. Ironic though, given the Oligarchy’s disdain for actually paying taxes which it sees as the obligation of little people. So, absurdly, the so-called little people, the ones that pay tax, are actually paying to have surveillance and monitoring inflicted on themselves.

    As for run of the mill governmental bureaucracy let’s discard the notion that they are the servants of the citizenry. No, it’s the other way around. The bureaucrats give the orders, the citizens obey. Are you ready to obey Citizen Ozone? Do you have your orders?

    • ozone November 18, 2016 at 7:09 pm #

      To my perpetual terror, no, I have not yet received my orders! How shall I proceed in the face of such disconnected/abandoned circumstance?!? 😉

      Fortunately, Jeffrey St. Clair once again comes to our (that would be exactly “youse and me too”) rescue with enough pointed spite on the state of how things actually sit (as opposed to punditridic bullshittery) to take care of the building anxiety. (Oh boy, it’s a good ‘un.):


      What do pterodactyls like to eat? I’ll have to leave them a little something at a safe enough distance to observe their habits via binocular…

  133. janet November 18, 2016 at 1:29 pm #

    “Just think of all the labor that goes into building a forklift, from start to finish, from digging up the raw materials plus every step of the production and selling and servicing process. As long as this is done at home.” –Volodya

    The components that go into the making of a forklift cannot all be home-grown to produce an affordable product. The assembly could be done at home, using materials imported.

    To find all the raw materials “at home” and then fabricate the steel, gaskets, impeller assemblies, rod-end bearings, casings, outer races, balls, engine blocks, crank shafts, etc. “at home” … paying “at home” living wages … would result in the cost of your forklift about 300% to 400% the current cost.

    Now Trump can slap 45% onto the imported forklift and companies could still buy several of the imported units for the cost of one forklift made “at home.”

    You could make the forklifts “at home” if you pay the workers less than $1 an hour. Good luck finding skilled machinists to work at those wages. They could make ten times that working at McDonalds.

  134. fodase November 18, 2016 at 1:37 pm #

    i mean, we could simply offshore everything to where it costs $2 a day for labour and manufacture nothing in the US. the disastrous results of that are self-evident.

    or we can protect American workers by fairly applying tariffs:

    “China still maintains high duties on some products that compete with sensitive domestic industries. For example, the tariff on large motorcycles is 30 percent. Likewise, most video, digital video, and audio recorders and players still face duties of approximately 30 percent. Raisins face duties of 35 percent.”

    How about tit for tat? Both sides, given the urgency to protect their labour force, can sit down and work out an equitable tariff / non-tariff arrangement, taking into account currency strength, local costs and other relevant factors.

    Or, like most politicians would do, simply accept $100s millions in bribes and make sure American workers get screwed because their jerbs are all gone to China and there’s no equitable tariff arrangement in place.

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    • volodya November 18, 2016 at 2:37 pm #

      Or inequitable tariff arrangements.

      In the world that’s taking shape, where Oligarch interests once obliterated all other, national self-interest trumps (ha ha) the rest.

    • elysianfield November 19, 2016 at 10:18 am #

      “How about tit for tat? Both sides, given the urgency to protect their labour force, can sit down and work out an equitable tariff / non-tariff arrangement, taking into account currency strength, local costs and other relevant factors.

      What in hell do you think the G-20 does? Your suggestion pretty-much defines their job description.

  135. fodase November 18, 2016 at 1:40 pm #

    Trump with another success

    So now Apple suddenly finds it actually can manufacture in the US.

    Another checkmark in the win column for our glorious leader, on top of the 75-billion barrel oil find in Texas that’ll put lots of folks to work.

    Obama’s really building that legacy of his, huh JHK? You voted for him twice, if you want your nothing-of-a-president you can keep your nothing-of-a-president!


  136. FincaInTheMountains November 18, 2016 at 2:15 pm #

    Trump taps Kansas congressman Mike Pompeo for CIA


    Congressman Mike Pompeo, whom the senator rank would give a distinct Roman flair, as director of the CIA – one of the most important playing ground of Hillary Clinton – it is very bad news for Madame Secretary, as Mike Pompeo is known that even Trey Gowdy, who pull out the notorious Email server to the God’s light, was criticized by him for being too soft on Hillary Clinton!

  137. Janos Skorenzy November 18, 2016 at 3:06 pm #


    The Lord has heard the cry of his People at last. Sessions finds nothing wrong with the KKK except their Pot use. And Flynn once retweeted, “Not this time Jews”. He said he was “sorry” later. But as Connie Francis said, “Whose sorry now?”

  138. janet November 18, 2016 at 3:23 pm #

    “national self-interest trumps (ha ha) the rest.” –volodya

    The joke will be on you. National self-interest is a dead-end in a globalized world of trade and communication. Much as you or Trump would like, a nation cannot go it alone in the 21st century.

    Nationalism… ?a passionate investment in one’s country over and above others?… is neither good nor neutral. Nationalism Is a form of In-Group/Out-Group thinking, with attendant consequences.

    For example, if Trump is committed to winning at all costs, with power-seeking and superiority as his only real goal, then Trump the nationalist will feel justified in hurting the people of other countries.

    Nationalism also contributes to internal fragmentation and instability: it requires that we decide who is and isn’t truly part of the nation, encouraging exclusionary, prejudiced attitudes and policies toward anyone within our borders who is identified as part of “them.” You can see Trump did that through his entire campaign and it does not make America great.

    If Trump thinks he has a nationalist mandate, he will feel entitled to breaking the laws of our country: If the Constitution interferes with nationalist ambition, then the Constitution can be set aside. Trump has discussed controlling the media, interfering with the judiciary, unlawful torture, extrajudicial murder, and imprisoning his political rivals. None of this is legal, but he doesn’t care.

    A nationalist regime requires a post-truth politics, one that makes facts irrelevant in favor of emotional appeals. That’s why Trump loves to lie at big rallies. A nationalist leader like Trump lies and distorts history in order to maintain his illusion of superiority: “I alone can fix it” he announces to the gathered masses.

    The result is that Volodya’s “national self-interest” works against thoughtful and responsive governance, because that interferes with Trump’s self-glorification. Internal reflection and external criticism must be squashed.

    Volodya says “national self-interest” trumps (ha ha) the rest. Volodya justifies the arrival of American Stalinism… and he laughs about it. It is no joke.

    • elysianfield November 18, 2016 at 6:48 pm #

      ” a nation cannot go it alone in the 21st century.”

      Tell that to the North Koreans…Workers Paradise, Nuclear power, lots of nationalistic fervor…no worries over immigration or Islamic Extremism…Dennis Rodman abides!

    • capt spaulding November 19, 2016 at 9:58 am #

      Trump lost the popular vote just like Bush did, however it didn’t stop “W” from taking us into war in Iraq. Trump doesn’t have a “mandate”, but he’s gonna act like he does. Watch & see.

  139. nsa November 18, 2016 at 4:04 pm #

    You will know Der Trumpster is serious when he crushes Janet (the matzo ball shaped affirmative action jooie who specializes in legalized counterfeiting over at the Eccles Building and not the cfn asoka alter ego)…….

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  140. elysianfield November 18, 2016 at 6:39 pm #

    What happened to Cold? He did state that if he stopped posting, someone may have “gotten” him. Remember, even people who are paranoid may still have enemies….or did he and Janos finally meet on a field of battle, and the results were not necessarily to his (Cold’s) advantage?

    What would Cold have said regarding Ford Motor Company cancelling a factory shut-down in the US? Expectations, indeed!

    • Janos Skorenzy November 18, 2016 at 7:22 pm #

      And all this is just the Light before the Dawn. Imagine the full glory of Trump’s Presidency. We will only then realize the depth of the betrayal on all levels, both public and private. It never had to be this way. White Americans never had to be persecuted and thrown out of their cities and homes and jobs. It was always due to a combination of greed, hatred, indifference, and fear. The first two dominating of course. The latter two, incorrect reactions to the first two.

      Could you figure him out? I mean Ozone is nuts, but at least I get him. Cold seemed outraged if he found himself on the same page as anyone. Both are alike in their utter unwillingness to answer questions or explain. Everything is a trick or a conspiracy.

      • elysianfield November 19, 2016 at 10:35 am #

        “Could you figure him out?”

        We all have issues in our lives. Who knows what pressure, what Hell is being brought to bear? Rage is but a symptom of a life in turmoil, under assault, perhaps without options. Hope he’s OK.

  141. fodase November 18, 2016 at 7:31 pm #

    For example, if Trump is committed to winning at all costs, with power-seeking and superiority as his only real goal, then Trump the nationalist will feel justified in hurting the people of other countries.

    where the heck do you get this nonsense from? you’re clearly projecting something which isn’t there. he’s going to “hurt” people from other countries??

    when did he say that? how’s he going to hurt people from other countries?

    plus, where’s your proof that Trump appeals to emotions and not facts? It’s exactly the other way around! he wants to stop massive illegal immigration (fact 1), slash taxes (fact 2), follow the bloody law (fact 3), etc.

    We don’t want your stinkin’ globalism. Who says we all have to be oh-so-globalized, i.e. let everyone in who wants to come to the US, gut manufacturing because it can be done cheaper elsewhere (American workers be damned), act like everyone else’s culture is superior.

    Look lady janet, having pride in your own tribe, culture, language, institutions, successes, if you wanna call that being insular, or “nationalist”, the new N-word, you got serious problems.

    you know, 0bama really showed all the greatness that goes along with being “global”, it’s just that i can’t think of a single achievement of his.

    wait, he wants to put men who think they’re women in women’s bathrooms, and wants the military to combat climate change (when hasn’t the climate ever not changed?), and wants to flood the US with often hostile and alien cultures that don’t adapt.

    but he’s really chic and “global”, ya know. we’re all really impressed.

  142. Pucker November 19, 2016 at 12:45 am #

    The MSM spun the fact that Hillary didn’t wear any makeup or fix her hair as being some kind of deliberate Feminist statement, which is obviously “Fake News”. How could the MSM possibly know what Hillary was thinking?

    Hillary may have “Multiple Personality Disorder”? This may be her personality that tends to physically collapse?


  143. Pucker November 19, 2016 at 1:46 am #

    I thought that it was interesting that Michael Moore recently advised the Democratic Party to dump “Identity Politics” and to focus on economic issues instead. The Democrats, however, seem to be moving in the opposite direction and are focusing on cracking down on “Fake News” and the alternative media.

  144. janet November 19, 2016 at 2:13 am #

    “What happened to Cold?” –elysianfield

    Cold must have egg on his face after insisting so strenuously that the election was rigged and TPTB had already decided Clinton would be anointed.

    I believe it was wpa-ccc who told Cold that the “fix” was not in and we would not know until the America people voted who would be president, at which point Qshtik chimed in to object to wpa’s patriotic drivel saying “please stop, you are killing me.”

    But wpa–ccc was right in the end… Then he (or she) disappeared from CFN.

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  145. FincaInTheMountains November 19, 2016 at 5:39 am #

    The Economist: The New Nationalism


    Meet the new Allies, same as the old Allies.

  146. FincaInTheMountains November 19, 2016 at 6:47 am #

    Bernie, Welcome Home!

    Sanders: If Trump has the ‘guts’ to take on corporate America, he’s got an ally


  147. FincaInTheMountains November 19, 2016 at 7:19 am #

    Face it Kesa, you bought all the lies you were told about him [Hiler] == Janos

    U.S., Ukraine Vote Against Russian Measure Condemning Glorification Of Nazism

    The United States joined Ukraine in voting against a United Nations resolution condemning the glorification of Nazism, citing freedom of speech concerns and saying Russia sponsored the measure as a political attack against Ukraine.

    The resolution, entitled “Combating Glorification Of Nazism, Neo-Nazism And Other Practices That Contribute To Fueling Contemporary Forms Of Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia, And Related Intolerance,” was approved by the UN’s human rights committee on November 17 by 131 to 3.


    Ever gave it a thought, Janos, how come you wound up on the same side as Globalists? (US State Department is still under Clintonites control)

    Russia puts this resolution up for vote every year, I bet next year it’s going to pass by US as well.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 19, 2016 at 4:29 pm #

      Yes, the Jews are planning a counter-attack. They have already banned us from Twitter. If Putin is smart he won’t go along with this. I mean, do you even know what National Socialism is? Nazi is a snarl word. And btw, the “Nazis” who went along with the Jews to overthrow Ukraine were fools. That by no means undermines the Justice of our Cause – the Preservation of the White Race and Western Culture.

  148. themisanthrope November 19, 2016 at 8:29 am #

    “There’s also the chance it will express itself in kinetic conflict, i.e. war.”

    Not to make light of a serious subject you’ve once again so colorfully presented in the rest of the essay (and past entries. Bottom lines: we’re fucked; you’re preaching to the choir), but that little jewel of a phrase and term is right up there with the NTSB’s “collision with terrain.”

  149. capt spaulding November 19, 2016 at 10:02 am #

    JHK is right. This is rapidly becoming a Clusterfuck Nation. See ya on the downside.

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  150. Buck Stud November 19, 2016 at 10:49 am #

    “Starchitects”indeed: Who can turn the most heads and create the loudest gasp, even if that gasp is one of exasperation. Obviously, JHK is a fan of the dignified, stately architectural repose of bygone years, (and he is also a champion of the curved feminine accent, if I have read him correctly) but if the U.S., as JHK asserts, is truly in a state of convulsive decline, then some of the abhorrent architecture is merely ‘art reflecting life’ or “reality if you will.

    And as the great Rodin asserted, “reality” can never be ugly because it is the adoration of truth.

    When the truly influential factors are “structural”, can ‘life imitating art’ override the ‘realities on the ground’? Fodase and Asoka would argue yes; that human creativity inevitably rides to the rescue; that the creative impulse is not a one-way street with a preordained specific endpoint/goal but an ‘open-ended’ endeavor that often results in spontaneous and serendipitous insight and discovery such as the permutations spinning off of the space program years:
    “Sometimes you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.”

    But others, such as the fatalists on this site, favor the aesthetics of constriction, the “repose” of austerity, if you will:

    “Were fucked, so let’s get small and stingy.”

    Who knows for sure; I certainly don’t. Artistically speaking, the dignified repose of Classical Greece degenerated into the convoluted, angst ridden posturing of the Hellenistic era, not all that dissimilar from America 2016, IMO: The theatrics of Springer and sports; architectural “tumors”; a national collective audience with the attention span of a miller moth flapping dirty wings to the next “lit” media diversion.

    How else to explain the country flipping from George Bush to Barrack Obama to Donald Trump if not a country in an extreme and perpetual state of Hegelian Dialectic torture; and a torture now so acute that is has perforated the circle that formerly ensured dialectic continuity.

    Yes, there will be a “victor” that ultimately signifies the defeat of the dynamic: “Ashes ashes all fall down” –the ‘circle is punctured and life, flattened.

    • bibliomaniac November 19, 2016 at 11:20 am #

      Hey fanboys. Just dropping in to throw a little grit in the gears. Have you seen Trump’s lineup for Treasury Secretary? Banksters and Hedge Fund Honchos all. Hang on to you houses–Trump is gonna’ “Make Wall Street Great Again.”

    • Buck Stud November 19, 2016 at 11:27 am #

      Or not. Life imitating Art, Art reflecting life…on and on it will go, the eternal human condition.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 19, 2016 at 2:29 pm #

      Beauty is not only outer, but inner. How could any lover of beauty vote Hillary, one of the ugliest people ever to disgrace American public life? Either you have deep mommy issues which makes you into a cultist or you are inwardly ugly as well.

  151. volodya November 19, 2016 at 11:37 am #

    To quote Steve Bannon: “I’m not a white nationalist, I’m a nationalist. I’m an economic nationalist. The globalists gutted the American working class and created a middle class in Asia. The issue now is about Americans looking to not get fucked over.”

    To the greatly enlightened intellectuals of the Liberal-left this is no doubt deplorable. It’s a repudiation of a decades old consensus among the high and mighty about the shape of the world. I would like to come up with something all learned and nuanced but I can’t. I will simply say this: choke on it.

    I would further say to the Liberal-left that equates an American working class that looks after its economic self interest as incipient fascism: choke on that too. It’s not fascism, it’s not even close. It’s like George Orwell said, some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals could believe them.

    I would say to the fascism sniffers: y’all suffer from an acute deficiency of imagination. Got nothing to say? Out of ideas? Well then, invoke fascism, the last refuge of the intellectually bankrupt, or better still, call someone a fascist. My advice besides choking on it? Ok, maybe more like a request. Actually no, it’s a demand: stop degrading political discourse, buzz off, go away, take a vacation, a long one, maybe permanent. You’ve more than had your say, now you’re stinking up the airwaves and you’re doing more harm than good. Bon voyage, farewell, sayonara, good riddance.

    As far as the past goes, shipping the industrial backbone of the United States to China was lunacy. It doesn’t take an Ivy League PhD to figure it out. As far as the future goes, and I’ll go back to this “fascism” thing, fascism is an overly loose and mis-used term. It was a phenomenon of the early 20th Century. That’s past.

    But I’ll say this, if you want disorder and upheaval not only on a national scale but also global, do what the so-called globalists did, export the economic mainstay of tens of millions of Americans, insult those you’ve deprived of a livelihood, you know, call them “uneducated”, racist, fascist, and then as if all that wasn’t enough, import millions of people from outside the USA. And then trumpet this as “progress”.

    To Trump and his henchmen (other than Bannon), wake up and smell the coffee. People are looking for redress. There’s not much time.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 19, 2016 at 2:37 pm #

      You are still playing their game and whistling the tune they gave you. Fascism has an exact meaning but the media won’t use it and the Elite won’t allow it to be taught. It simply makes too much sense. Nationalism is Fascism. Fascism would have stopped the Corporations from decimating America. If you are against Fascism, you are against Nationalism.

      You think Socialism and Communism are going to stop them? Who do you think funded them? Look at the Communist Democratic Party: who are their donors? Many are the same as the donors for the Republicans.

      The battle is within yourself. You like to rave about Corporate Fascism – which is a nonsense phrase. You have been offered the truth, but you prefer the snarl. You have been offered clarity, but you prefer the fuzzy because that allows you to twist things. Or to agree with the fuzzy majority and their acquiescence to the way things turned out. And “the way things are” is a god to ordinary people without imagination.

    • malthuss November 19, 2016 at 3:22 pm #

      As far as the past goes, shipping the industrial backbone of the United States to China was lunacy.

      Clinton > NAFTA and giving China Incorporated Most favored Nation status.

    • Buck Stud November 19, 2016 at 11:53 pm #

      Rambo “Cash” Balboa, the Italian Canadian who knows more about America than the Americans who actually live here–amazing!

      Except you seem to not comprehend that many on the “Liberal left” also eschew economic globalism; thus you resort to generic cliche besmirchment. Oh well, par for the course around here.

      Speaking of “Italian Stallion” envy, whatever happened to that female poster who fancied you as Al Pacino and herself as a smitten Diane Keaton?

  152. FincaInTheMountains November 19, 2016 at 12:19 pm #

    Hey fanboys. Just dropping in to throw a little grit in the gears. Have you seen Trump’s lineup for Treasury Secretary? Banksters and Hedge Fund Honchos all. Hang on to you houses–Trump is gonna’ “Make Wall Street Great Again.” == bibliomaniac

    I am sure you’d prefer somebody with lot’s of U-tube videos about “Jewish Banksters taking over the world” or “Do away with FED NOW!”.

    Apparently, Mr. Trump prefers an experienced shrewd large-scale financial operator widely regarded in the industry whom he could convince to work for the good of the Nation.

    • bibliomaniac November 19, 2016 at 2:50 pm #

      True–but will they really do it? I don’t trust any of them either way. We have only moved from inverted totalitarianism to full-frontal fascism. Same bullshit, different players. What do you think? I really want to know.

      Our trade deficit with China is so enormous they have us by the short and curlies. Do you think they would even consider our tariffs?

      They have been playing war by other means for decades, with the checkbook–while our cowboys have just been grabbing their guns.

      I agree, globalism won’t work. We’ve all been conned. But do you really, truly. actually believe that the likes of Jamie Dimon’s lot have our best interests at heart? The working class is angry and hungry–rightly so. Will they be conned again? What do you think? Honestly?

      • FincaInTheMountains November 19, 2016 at 4:04 pm #

        “But do you really, truly. actually believe that the likes of Jamie Dimon’s lot have our best interests at heart?”

        No, of course not. Who do you think I am? An idiot?

        The principle is: there are NO good (in the narrow-minded understanding) officials and elitists, we have practically none, zero.

        According to the concepts of the ordinary man almost all of them are very bad, divided into groups by selfish interests.

        The genius of a real leader lies in the fact that he uses these groups, their desires and their contradictions, in order to move the country forward, balancing between these groups and being fair arbiter of conflicts.

  153. FincaInTheMountains November 19, 2016 at 12:39 pm #

    The issue of US foreign debt will soon undoubtedly take a center stage of Trump’s presidency.

    Remember How Hillary went hiding under her “illness” when the Congress overwhelmingly overturned Obama’s veto on the Anti-Saudi law (according to my little theory, the veto actually came from Hillary herself since she was totally controlling the White House at the time).

    That will most likely require some debt restructuring – without ever calling it so – so substantial large-scale financial operating skills and deep knowledge of the industry is an absolute must.

    • bibliomaniac November 19, 2016 at 3:01 pm #

      I just hope you’re right, but I’m not holding my breath.

    • elysianfield November 20, 2016 at 10:16 am #

      “The issue of US foreign debt will soon undoubtedly take a center stage of Trump’s presidency”

      The US foreign debt? Maybe he will make the Russians pay for it?

  154. stelmosfire November 19, 2016 at 3:15 pm #

    Only in Massachusetts! Hampshire College removes the American flag from campus. What a bunch of idiot whiners. I guess this is what you get for a 60+ grand a year education. As if their stupid protest will change what has already transpired.

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  155. malthuss November 19, 2016 at 3:19 pm #

    What is the play, ‘Hamilton’, about?

    Rewriting history I assume.

    See Drudge.

    • janet November 19, 2016 at 4:13 pm #

      In the words of Lin-Manuel Miranda, the director of Hamilton:

      “In a year when politicians traffic in anti-immigrant rhetoric, there is also a Broadway musical reminding us that a broke, orphan immigrant from the West Indies built our financial system. A story that reminds us that since the beginning of the great, unfinished symphony that is our American experiment, time and time again, immigrants get the job done.


      All undocumented immigrants who have no criminal record should be given an unobstructed path to citizenship. They contribute. They belong here.

      Immigrants are America… whether they be Italians, Poles, Germans, Asians, Blacks, Hispanics, French, Dutch, Somali, etc. … they have all contributed.

      Immigrants built America, including our financial system. That’s what Hamilton is about. That’s why Hamilton is on your ten dollar bill.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 19, 2016 at 9:55 pm #

      Blacks pretending to be the Founding Fathers. The bad guy, King George, is the only White in the whole thing. And then some Black fag actor has the nerve to confront Pence, who God knows why, went to see the play.

      • malthuss November 20, 2016 at 10:42 am #

        Hip Hop is ‘cool’ and this is the first BIG hiphop play, right?

  156. FincaInTheMountains November 19, 2016 at 3:53 pm #

    All these cries of surprise at the Trump’s election is pure hypocrisy.

    They all knew that Trump is being supported by the vast majority of voters; and the fact that Hillary seized power; and that she forges the poll results and prepares to forge the election results. The only thing they were surprised by is that despite all that she lost the elections.

    And this can be explained only by the fact that on election night in the US there was a counter-coup and a power component of original Hillary’s coup d’etat has been eliminated, and her ability to forge the election results was significantly limited.

    And it is New York, where a half a mile away from each other were two headquarters of a lightning, but we can’t say absolutely bloodless civil war, which resulted in Trump coming to power.

    With time passing, in retrospect, I probably will be able to guess what really happened that night in that City by the Ocean, which, as it now becomes clear, was described in the Apocalypse.

    And the plan of that war, or if you want this counterrevolution was conceived and largely carried out by President Barack Obama!

    What led me to this conclusion is comparison of the two clips, the first of which Obama laughs at those he already knows, conspired secretly to overthrow him, and then put the blame on him for the beginning of the Third World War, and in the second clip he explains to the Europeans who were part of that conspiracy that Hillary already removed from the levers of power and that they should not try to arrange something nasty under her personal guarantees in these remaining two months, as such conspiracy in general is a casus belli, and not only in the eyes of Russia.



    Especially I advise to pay attention to how in the first video Obama at the end throws microphone and then he complains that in the eight years he had aged compared with his wife, as well as the fact that from the second clip it is clear that over the six months separating these two clips, he is aged another five years.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 19, 2016 at 4:36 pm #


      You see Finc, this is the difference between National Socialism and Marxist Socialism. The former seeks to preserve the Nation and the latter to utterly change it into something alien by changing the people. Grodd wants to make Britain Brown just as you want to make Russia, non-White. You are a Marxist Jew, not a real Russian. Real Russians love the Russian people and want to preserve the traditional Nation.

      • FincaInTheMountains November 19, 2016 at 5:43 pm #

        You are so confused about Russia, it is beyond imagining. There are 190 ethnic, racial and religious groups living in Russian Federation (in this count there are US nationals). The third most important person in Russian Government – Minister of Defense, Sergei Shoigu is Tuvan Buddhist, not white Russian Orthodox Christian.

        There are 22 million Russian Muslims – that is about 15% of the population.

        And that is TRADITIONAL Russian Nation – not your imagined lily-white nation.

        Now regarding the National Socialism

        Its main doctrine is creating a perfect social society for a “Super Nation” at the expense of the “Subhuman” nations, which according to Nazi are defined by hard biological and genetic factors. The responsibility and even a duty of any member of a “Super Nation” is to be able to kill any subhuman not because he represents a threat to “Superhuman”, but just simply for lack of utility, without experiencing regret or remorse.


        • Janos Skorenzy November 19, 2016 at 9:57 pm #

          Russia is in deep shit with that many Muslims. They need to be jettisoned. Society is far more fragile than you imagine it. This level of diversity is fatal.

        • Janos Skorenzy November 19, 2016 at 10:05 pm #

          I looked at the link: a list of many archeological expeditions. Nothing about murder. So, it’s more of your lies.

          And btw, Whites did once live in many parts of Asia as witness the Tocharian Mummies of Western China. And yes, Buddha has blue eyes.

          Give up your hate.

  157. FincaInTheMountains November 19, 2016 at 5:50 pm #

    Our response to NATO


    • janet November 19, 2016 at 5:59 pm #

      Great response to NATO! Full of nationalist spirit… that kind of YouTube music video must make you want to fight for the Motherland and take Alaska back. Not.

      Good joke song though.

  158. Pucker November 19, 2016 at 6:32 pm #

    The DNC—-“It takes a village.”


  159. Q. Shtik November 19, 2016 at 7:09 pm #

    The Michigan / Indiana game ended a few minutes ago. The 4th Qtr was played in a virtual blizzard. The yard lines were completely obliterated. White panting breath came from the mouths of the players. Of course there was one fat jerkoff in the stands naked from the waist up.

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    • janet November 19, 2016 at 7:13 pm #

      It was nice they made snow angels on the field.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 19, 2016 at 10:07 pm #

      Many have condemned you for watching Monkey Ball, but you have stuck to your guns and persist in watching it. You are a hero.

      • Q. Shtik November 20, 2016 at 1:19 am #

        Many have condemned you for watching Monkey Ball, – Janos


        You and Oz. Who else?

        • Janos Skorenzy November 20, 2016 at 5:12 pm #

          nsa, chold – “everyone” – since no one else is reading.

  160. Q. Shtik November 19, 2016 at 7:25 pm #

    Maybe one of you out there has an explanation for these interesting football stats. I have no idea.

    68% of Pro football players are Black while 28% are White


    none of the starting place kickers is Black. All are White but one. He is Latino.

    In college football there are 14 teams in the “Big 10” (go figure)….all 14 starting place kickers are White.

    • janet November 19, 2016 at 7:37 pm #

      80 of the NFL’s current 85 offensive coordinators, quarterbacks coaches and offensive quality control coaches are white, including all 37 with the word “quarterback” in their titles.

      23 of 32 defensive coordinators are white.

      Those are crushing numbers for minorities considering how the hiring game is played: 94 percent of head coaches hired over the past 20 years (133 of 141) had been NFL coordinators, pro head coaches (including interim) or college head coaches previously.

      The path to becoming an NFL head coach is clear. It is also largely unavailable to minorities.

      How many NFL team owners are white? 100%?

      Poor, persecuted whites… where is Janos’ outrage?

      nsa calls it “jungleball” but it is dominated by whites…

      • Janos Skorenzy November 19, 2016 at 10:13 pm #

        Being a head coach or even a Quarterback takes brains. Whites are obviously going to dominate over Blacks in such positions.

        • janet November 19, 2016 at 11:25 pm #

          42.9% of the military enlisted active duty force is non-white.

          People from the Northeast United States are the least likely to serve in the military. The Southcentral United States sees the highest recruitment rates.

    • malthuss November 20, 2016 at 10:39 am #

      Caste Football.com

  161. pequiste November 19, 2016 at 8:47 pm #

    Um, excuse me Finca…I think this is the correct Russian reply message to NATO:


    and this:


    Now the right attitude is enabled and proper tone set.

    • janet November 19, 2016 at 11:21 pm #

      Soldiers are mindless obedient puppets, regardless what nation’s uniform they wear. They have been through “training” (basic, advanced, etc.) that conditions them to obey orders, march to where they are ordered to march, and kill whoever is labeled “enemy” …

      There is no honor in the military. There is no honor in being a mercenary who kills on command. The soldiers in your YouTube do not inspire respect or fear. They are cannon fodder. They are wasted human beings considered expendable, trained in efficient ways to murder other human beings and destroy property. They are pathetic grunt puppets.

      • 100th Avatar November 20, 2016 at 8:43 am #


        Whenever it gets b*tch slapped by reality, it comes back as another puppet, to save face.

        And the dummies still engage it.

        • malthuss November 20, 2016 at 10:44 am #

          The 3 faces of Eve? Or the 33 faces of evil?

  162. Buck Stud November 20, 2016 at 12:24 am #

    “How could any lover of beauty vote Hillary, one of the ugliest people ever to disgrace American public life?’–Janos

    Are you dumb or are you just trying to aggravate me? For the umpteenth time, I wasn’t voting “Hillary” but the generic party line because a couple of issues championed by Democratic Party in general are very important to me.

    You, on the other hand, champion Trump because you myopically project he will resolve your personal racial concerns/animosity.

    I really don’t know all that much about Donald Trump, truth be told and I have a feeling you don’t either. At any rate, after the next two weeks I will know far more about Trump that you do. And why? Because I am actually reading his own words from his own books, devoid of all the partisan filtering/propaganda–it’s the “philosophical” thing to do.

    For instance, I was reading that Donald Trump and then wife Marla Maples were walking down a street when Trump observed that a beggar with a tin cup had more than he did. Marla quipped ‘how could that be, he has nothing?’ Trump remarked–and I’m roughly paraphrasing–‘yes, that’s true but I’m 900 million in the hole’ a incredible thing to say/observe actually (this was a challenging moment in Trump’s financial life).

    There’s a certain swagger, a certain bravado that Trump projects that might actually alleviate a strange sort of national malaise based on fear and apprehension: “We’re all fucked!” as we read on the ‘realistic” doom sites. After all, it’s pretty scary going nearly a billion in the hole and and yet somehow clawing back to the black financial otherside.

    In that regard, I am reminded of Gutzon Borglum, the Mount Rushmore sculptor. A US Geological Survey analysis recommended against trying to carve Mt. Rushmore but Borglum cashed a 200,000 dollar down payment (as I recall reading) check knowing that success was not at all a certain outcome…a lot of money in the Depression years.

    • malthuss November 20, 2016 at 10:47 am #

      You, on the other hand, champion Trump because you myopically project he will resolve your personal racial concerns/animosity.

      Or because DT saved the USA from Hillary? [we hope].

      What is really interesting [and very eerie] is ‘Pizza gate.’

    • Janos Skorenzy November 20, 2016 at 2:50 pm #

      You’ve shifted sub-personalities. Now you’re presenting yourself as an honest broker whereas before you were a frothing cultist, exalting in the coming victory of his Vampire Queen.

      Issues? What issues? Partial birth abortion? The right to make billions while in office at taxpayer expense? The right to get away with it? The sale and distribution of baby heads? Nuclear war with Russia?

      It was crazy, Buck. Any attempt to deny just adds to your case notes.

  163. Q. Shtik November 20, 2016 at 1:12 am #

    What would Cold have said regarding Ford Motor Company cancelling a factory shut-down in the US? – Elysianfield


    Delve more deeply into this story (CNBC on Friday 11/18, NYT Saturday 11/19) and you’ll find the Trump victory over Ford was not all it was cracked up to be.

    • elysianfield November 20, 2016 at 10:29 am #

      You are, no doubt correct, but we will take what we can get….

      Trump will be levied every bit of blame, for any action or result, of his tenure…real or imagined. Any positive results should also be accepted in that same spirit, however misdirected.

  164. FincaInTheMountains November 20, 2016 at 4:51 am #

    For those who are interested in exercising their mind, I’d like you to listen one more time to Obama’s speech in Berlin, starting from about 40:38 and try to see if you could decipher the following clues of 3 types:

    The first type is: if you believe that democracy – is when the election is a defeat of your opponents and their views and when winning opposite views – that is tyranny, then you yourself will become a gravedigger of democracy.

    The second type: if Putin and Trump will strike a deal over European heads, the current leaders of Europe will have to accept. If they don’t, they may not only lose the election, but the fall of the elite.

    The third type: European media is full of fakes and propaganda, and if you start to believe in it as facts, your estimates will diverge away from reality.

    But is anyone out there who wants to grasp the meaning of these clues and interpret them, because Obama has wrapped them in a rhetorical shell with the opposite content.


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  165. FincaInTheMountains November 20, 2016 at 7:31 am #

    That’s funny! (or not)

    Not so much time has passed since Steve Pieczenik gained significant notoriety by publishing somewhat distorted account of Hillary’s coup and FBI/NYPD counter-coup, and here we go: he is pushing forward outrageous pro-City-of-London anti-Union propaganda:


    I mean, sure, Brits are Allies, but beware of perfidious Albion!


  166. janet November 20, 2016 at 12:17 pm #

    “Or because DT saved the USA from Hillary? [we hope].” –malthuss

    Until the electoral college votes on Dec. 19 Trump is not officially legally the president. He is temporarily the president-elect, but not by popular vote, which Hillary won by over 2 million voters.

    After the Dec. 19 electoral college vote we will see who is legally the president. We already know who the majority of the people voted for in the popular vote.

    • Q. Shtik November 20, 2016 at 1:02 pm #

      Enough ‘faithless’ Electors to overturn the election is the ONE EVENT I can imagine that might actually cause a shooting Civil War in this country.

      I predict it will not happen but if it somehow gives you comfort, Asoka, to think that it might, be my guest…hang on to that slim thread for the next month.

      • janet November 20, 2016 at 2:05 pm #

        “be my guest…hang on to that slim thread for the next month.” –Q

        Thank you, I will. I was so looking forward to the first woman president.

        (not to be confused with Jen in San Jose)

  167. Q. Shtik November 20, 2016 at 12:51 pm #

    This is the stupidest goddam thing i’ve read in a long time. And i read a lot. – Woozy


    WHAT is? JHK’s essay? One of the comments? Give us a hint.

  168. FincaInTheMountains November 20, 2016 at 1:05 pm #

    While everybody are wondering about the future policies of Donald Trump, right under their noses already occurred tremendous changes that will have a lasting effect on the world.

    In particular, if the campaign began under the sounds of the victorious march of the media that only six months ago seemed that it is the Fourth Estate and ended up with their miserable whining and trying to prove that they are not so bad.

    And it’s not that they lied wildly, trying to ensure the victory of Hillary Clinton, but the fact that they despite all their lies were unable to deliver the goods already paid for. Such failures the capitalism system does not forgive.

    Obama endorsed Hillary Clinton and campaigned for her in such enthusiastic way, that the so-called “Obama coalition” that is, those who voted for him in 2008 and in 2012, just did not come to the polls, and in Pennsylvania and Ohio came but voted for Trump. And Obama at the first conference after the victory of Trump could not hide a satisfied smirk on this occasion, though he tried with all his might.

    During his visit to Europe, he urged Europe to continue the fight against Putin’s Russia, which is a great military superpower, that even the Secretary General of NATO after a conversation with him, hastened to declare that it is necessary to start a dialogue with Russia on the subject of cooperation.

    And during his visit to Latin America, Obama urgined Latinos to give Trump the time to express himself, he openly acted as a representative of Trump.


  169. FincaInTheMountains November 20, 2016 at 1:41 pm #

    The US foreign debt? Maybe he will make the Russians pay for it?
    — elysianfield

    Russians with happy smirks will help him make Saudis pay for it, or a least a substantial part of it. Hope that will help.

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    • elysianfield November 20, 2016 at 6:52 pm #

      I am not sure that there is enough printed money in the world to pay off our debt…Thanks, however for the offer.

      Years ago I heard, and found plausible, that no foreigners physically attacked Russian diplomats, due to the “vigorous response” one would expect from the Russian intelligence community…any truth to this? How do you say “Quid Pro Quo” in Russian?

  170. janet November 20, 2016 at 1:57 pm #

    “Unfortunately, few people have adapted to reality. They want progress, they expect progress…” –Frankiti

    Whether they want it or not, the reality is that progress happens.

    Compare the world as a whole today to one hundred years ago, or one thousand years ago. In terms of absolute poverty, child mortality, violence, pandemic disease, hunger, communication, transportation, technology, etc. … By whatever metric you want to look at we are better off today. I say this as I watch free OTA television in a small warm home.

    The world never goes really “backward”. “Standstill” is a delusion… The world always progresses… whether you want it to or not. That is just reality… with or without our “support” or consent.

  171. Q. Shtik November 20, 2016 at 2:26 pm #

    As if their stupid protest will change what has already transpired. – Stelmosfire


    Yesterday my #2 son and his squeeze went to a protest in Philly. From the pics he sent, the crowd appeared to be small.

    My wife’s best bud is booked to go to Wash DC for a protest on Jan 21 being billed as a Million Woman March.

    The anti-Trump articles in the NYT have ramped up and are more ubiquitous and strident than even before the election.

    The day following the election, when Hillary had pulled herself together enough to deliver a concession speech, she was gracious and said let’s give the new president elect “a chance.” Well, I guess those fine words are turning out to be just so much bullshit.

    • San Jose November 20, 2016 at 8:10 pm #

      In the coming weeks, maybe we should have a friendly East Coast/West Coast bullshit competition. Many of my hormonally challenged friends are signing up for the San Jose version of the Million Woman March. I’d rather clean toilets than attend a march of whiney women.

      It’s an estrogen-depleted jungle out there.

      Jen in San Jose

  172. janet November 20, 2016 at 2:47 pm #

    “As if their stupid protest will change what has already transpired.” – Stelmosfire

    Until Dec. 19, 2016 nothing definitive has “transpired” … except that more people voted for Hillary than Donald. That much we know: Hillary won the popular vote on Nov. 8.

    Protest is an American tradition. Protest is not stupid. Even if Trump is eventually elected president on Dec. 19, after losing the popular vote, the Million Woman March is a valid protest. Presidents serve at our pleasure, and can be forced out by mass protests, as Johnson and Nixon and others have learned the hard way.

  173. Q. Shtik November 20, 2016 at 3:48 pm #

    What happened to Cold? He did state that if he stopped posting, someone may have “gotten” him. Remember, even people who are paranoid may still have enemies….or did he and Janos finally meet on a field of battle, and the results were not necessarily to his (Cold’s) advantage? – Elysian


    No, no, no, that’s all bullshit. That was just Cold contriving a solar system of controversy with himself as the sun at the center. Here’s what probably happened:

    Cold gave up what was no doubt a decent living as a CPA (wasn’t a natural-born bean counter and couldn’t stand being someone’s corporate lackey anyway) and has been trying ever since to monetize (without much success) a modest talent for writing. He has not learned that attacking his readers is no way to win friends and influence people (TM Dale Carnegie). His wife has had it up to her eyeballs and told him to “stop wasting your life on that fucking blog and go find a job.”

    That’s my guess.

    • janet November 20, 2016 at 4:40 pm #

      What is important is the SeaHawks are beating Philadelphia, 6-0.

      • elysianfield November 20, 2016 at 6:55 pm #


        “Sea Squabs”, thank you.

    • malthuss November 20, 2016 at 6:05 pm #

      Gosh. I would usually scroll past Colds posts.
      He liked to troll by claiming others are trolls.

  174. Buck Stud November 20, 2016 at 7:53 pm #

    “You’ve shifted sub-personalities.” –Janos

    I’m not sure what a “sub -personality” is, but this is not the first time you’ve accused me of being “split” or “schizoid” or “mercurial much?”.

    Actually I’ve been very consistent in not wanting programs such as SS and Medicare and Obamacare ( especially the pre-existing condition clause) to be axed and discarded. And yes, my motivation is self serving–I’m one of the “little guys” now with a medical issue and I’ve never been concerned about gay/transgender rights and I’m not a proponent of open borders/globalism; indeed, I have been hurt big time, economically speaking. To me, these are ancillary issues which cloud and divert from larger, more pressing economic concerns ( and I’m not suggesting that immigration/open borders does not have deleterious economic consequences).

    Once in a while you post something that makes me think that you also have economic justice concerns. Indeed, that perhaps there is some Venn Diagram overlay between left and right. In fact, just the other day I was shouted down on a left wing site and called every name in the book for suggesting that Bannon, as an economic populist, might prove to be a positive influence on some of the issues that concerns progressives ( no doubt they now think I have “sub-personality” issues too.). But again, my suggestion became lost in all of those other issues that quite frankly, don’t really impact my life.

    The loss of affordable health insurance and now possibly medicare will have a dramatic and profoundly negative impact on my life. So yes, I vote for the person/party –and it could have been Martin Malloy, Bernie Sanders or whomever–that pledged to try and preserve these programs in advance (DT did state that he would preserve Medicare.).

    Now if I was a wealthy soul, I would no doubt vote my own self- interest just as I do as a not so wealthy person and that would be tax cuts for the rich. Yes, that makes me deeply flawed in terms of Principle over Self Interest–I’m not sitting on a promontory throne able to see the grand overarching view, although I think I could making a compelling case for not sacrificing the orchestra in favor of the soloist, or the trunk and branches for the few shimmering golden leaves above–but people at the end of the day mostly vote their own self interest.

    Please don’t explain “sub-personality” to me or tell me anymore about “the sale and distribution of baby heads” (wtf)–I don’t wanna know.

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  175. janet November 20, 2016 at 8:35 pm #

    It was Seahawks giving Philadelphia a clinic on offense.. Philadelphia was clueless, helpless on both defense and offense.

    • Q. Shtik November 21, 2016 at 12:12 am #

      It’s pronounced seaHOCKS.

  176. BackRowHeckler November 20, 2016 at 8:44 pm #

    Keith Ellison to be appointed DNC chief, Praise Allah! First order of business: get working class whites back in the fold, Praise Allah! To that end, soldiers from the Nation of Islam, Sudanese tribesmen and Somali villagers from Minn. to be deployed to W Virginia to turn rednecks and coal miners back into Dems, Praise Allah!

    Joe Manion: “Keith, its deer season in WV, lots of white men running around the woods with bolt action rifles. Better not send Soldiers of Islam and Sudanese tribesmen there now.”

    Keith Ellison: “What’s deer season?”

    Praise Allah, the Most Merciful One!


  177. BackRowHeckler November 20, 2016 at 9:47 pm #

    Hey Rip I did see Hampshire college has banned the American Flag.

    One of their distinguished students burned it on Veterans Day.

    We knew this was coming.

    The school president stated the flag is a distraction from important matters such as promoting gay rights and fighting islamophobia.

    How ’bout the multi coloured homo flag? They burn Old Glory, but treat that f-kkin rag like the Shroud of Turin!


  178. janet November 20, 2016 at 10:27 pm #

    Press Release
    WASHINGTON—At a news conference today outside the U.S. Capitol, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) announced they are introducing legislation that would eliminate billions of dollars in oil, coal and gas subsidies.

    “Big oil companies alone make more than $300 million every day but the oil, gas, and coal industries still have their hands in the taxpayer’s pocket,” said Rep. Ellison. Why should Americans prop up these companies with tax dollars and have to pay ridiculous fuel prices?

    “We need to get off the fossil fuel bandwagon that keeps us dependent on oil and contributes to climate change. The $113 billion in taxpayer handouts that oil, gas, and coal companies receive should be used to invest in green jobs. It’s time for this corporate welfare to end,” Rep. Ellison added.

    “How can it be that at a time when so many in Congress are calling for savage cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, that we could afford to continue to pump tens of billions in taxpayer dollars into hugely profitable fossil fuel corporations,” Sen. Sanders asked attendees. “It is sickening that some of the same folks who want to cut food stamps for the hungry fight tooth and nail to preserve federal tax breaks that go to Exxon Mobil.”

    The measure would do away with tax breaks, financial assistance, royalty relief, direct federal research and development and many loopholes that benefit the fossil fuel industry. Under current law, more than $113 billion in federal subsidies would go to oil, coal and gas industries in the coming decade.

    The five largest oil companies in the United States earned about $1 trillion in profits over the past decade. Meanwhile, in recent years, some of the very largest oil companies in America like Exxon Mobil and Chevron paid absolutely nothing in federal income taxes.

    Bill McKibben, founder of 350.org told demonstrators “It’s bad enough that the fossil fuel industry is doing severe damage to our climate–but that we’re paying them tax dollars to do it adds insult to injury.”

    • BackRowHeckler November 20, 2016 at 11:01 pm #

      Bill McGibben flies all over the world picking up Climate Change Awards, and going to banquets.


    • Q. Shtik November 21, 2016 at 12:19 am #


      Do away with fossil fuel subsidies. In fact do away with ALL subsidies including farm subsidies and foreign countries. And no special tax breaks for churches and charities.

      While we’re at it, do away with the income based tax system and institute a single rate consumption tax.

      • Q. Shtik November 21, 2016 at 12:21 am #

        BTW, now that it is past midnight I can wish myself a Happy 76th Birthday (born 11/21/40).


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