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Welcome to the Wormhole

     Now we get to the really fun part of the global unwind where even money flowing into supposedly safe havens turns, presto change-o, into an evaporation of wealth, and all of the lawyer-lobbyists who ever double-parked on K Street in the sorry history of this frantic era will not avail to contain the demons of their own design. 
     The world is waiting to re-learn an old lesson: that untruth and reality exist in an adversarial relationship. Sad to say, there isn’t enough legal infrastructure in the world, nor enough time, to pass judgment on all the lies and misrepresentations that burden the current edition of what passes for civilization. This goes especially for money matters, where currencies, certificates, and contracts actually have to represent what they purport to stand for. When those relationships fail, as they have been doing for some years now, everything falls apart.
     This is what comes of evading the enforcement of norms and standards and of running exchanges without clearing operations. The response to this mischief in deeds such as the Dodd-Frank so-called financial reform act only heaps more hyper-complex untruth on the smoldering compost of prior intentional falsities. It all seems so hopelessly abstract that even thoughtful citizens can’t muster the means to object until that magic moment when, say, the supermarket shelves go empty or nobody will accept the green paper cluttering up your billfold.
    For all the epic volume of blather on the Internet and elsewhere, few have even remarked on extraordinary passivity of the vulgar masses in the face of having their future looted out from under them. The ethos of the penitentiary must have saturated the zeitgeist wherein you are expected to just bend over and take it good and hard where the sun don’t shine and then you are rewarded with a baloney sandwich. At least that’s been the theme since 2008. 
     The way things are lining up, though, it might be a whole different story when the two political parties convene this summer for their nominating rigmarole. I remain convinced that these fatuous rites will meet with disruption. Of course, both parties deserve an equal dose of citizen-generated shock and awe. Both parties need to be rebuked, humiliated, and probably dismantled so that this country can get on with the business of trying to become civilized. Charlotte, NC, (the Democrats) and Tampa, FLA, (Republicans) are the venues for these dumbshows. I hope to be there running a pitchfork concession.
      Meanwhile, as what many observers call a “global slowdown” reveals itself to be a compressive collapse of faith in a system plagued by deception and pranged by massive cross-defaults, political uproar will rage through Europe and set the stage for emulation in the USA. Angela Merkel made a funny over the weekend: something about constructing a European fiscal union. That has about the same chance of happening as Mrs. Merkel becoming a pole dancer when her party gets tossed out of leadership not many months down the line. All the nations where people wear clothing are in desperate trouble. Their debt problems are insoluble and they’re out of accounting tricks. Events are running way ahead of institutions and personalities. 
     Speaking of which, what dogs me more and more every day is how come Jon Corzine is still at large six months after mugging MF Global’s customers, and what is the status of JP Morgan’s “London Whale” fiasco now that the news media have conveniently stopped following the story. Have the losses blown past $5 billion? Or is that just one little tuft of yarn which, when yanked, will unravel the entire skein of world banking? Well, it’s party season in the Hamptons now and the gentlemen responsible for these misdeeds are busy nibbling the sea urchin roe and cucumber tidbits, I suppose, and it would be unkind to ask them to testify before a congressional subcommittee or, jeepers, a grand jury.
     Ever wonder what it might be like to live in a world without consequences? Well, you’ve had a good look at it for more than a couple of years. How did it work out? What did you get away with? And how do you plan to hang onto it?

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James Howard Kunstler is the author of many books including (non-fiction) The Geography of Nowhere, The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, Home from Nowhere, The Long Emergency and the four-book series of World Made By Hand novels, set in a post economic crash American future. His most recent book is Living in the Long Emergency; Global Crisis, the Failure of the Futurists, and the Early Adapters Who Are Showing Us the Way Forward. Jim lives on a homestead in Washington County, New. York, where he tends his garden and communes with his chickens.

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  1. Leibowitz Society June 4, 2012 at 9:08 am #

    The white magic is gone, long live the black magic? The fact that people still speak in terms of saving the system mean that some sort of Svengali-like work is happening in the background, and we can only ride out the consequences as we enter a new Dark Age.
    Visit the Leibowitz Society at http://leibowitzsociety.blogspot.com/2012/06/hearth-and-home.html for more information and commentary related to the coming crash and unrecovery.

  2. TrE June 4, 2012 at 9:12 am #

    Endings are also beginnings, so we might actually have something new and better to look forward to yet in our lifetimes. But, like many of you, it’s actually the transition I fear the most–the safety of friends and family during a possibly unstable transition period.
    In any case, Jim, whatever’s in store for us in the next few weeks and months, thanks for creating and maintaining this forum, for pointing out some humor in the insanity, for helping us to understand it, and for modeling a path to prepare (physically and psychologically) for a very different kind of world.
    To those of you who have added value to this forum, without spam, baiting, or blame–you know who you are–thanks much for your wisdom. Be well.

  3. conchscooter June 4, 2012 at 9:15 am #

    It’s impossible to know what is best to do. We the slaving masses hunker down, spend less or very little and wait. We appear passive, hardly surprising considering how many of our former friends and acquaintances and family members have lost their jobs, their health insurance (only useful if not actually used anyway) and above all any expectation of leadership.
    To stick one’s neck out in times of tumultuous change leads to getting it cut off, if history is any judge. Passivity? Perhaps. Possibly too a smart low key wait and see attitude.

  4. daytrip June 4, 2012 at 9:19 am #

    There’s going to be lots of food, if you’re a zombie… bad joke.

  5. Onthego June 4, 2012 at 9:26 am #

    Best headline of the morning from CNN Money:
    Stocks: Investors pin hopes on central bankers
    Run for your stinkin’ lives – in a world gone completely mad.

  6. kulturcritic* June 4, 2012 at 9:26 am #

    “All the nations where people wear clothing are in desperate trouble.”
    James, this is classic. How can you hold out hope for civilization with remarks like this one!! LOL Kulturcritic

  7. Steve M. June 4, 2012 at 9:29 am #

    I think November 6 – a date Democrats always lose a presidential election on (a zero-year-jinx-like coincidence) – will continue to curse the Dems and give us a Romney victory. And as Rachel Maddow said, the Republicans will theoretically be able to use their power to ensure that they keep winning control of everything for all eternity through voter supression, union busting, and the Citizens United ruling. Hopefully one sober-minded Democrat, on the morning of November 7, will say what Whig Lewis Campbell said of his party after their trick of nominating a war hero for President failed in 1852 – “We are slain! The party is dead!” – and leave to start a real progressive party. And don’tr ule out a race war that starts when blacks, kept out of the voting booths in key states by voter suppresion laws and subjected to a Mormon as their Commander in Chief, finally vent their frustration beyond going into a recording studio with their latest slam poetry set to a disco rhythm. And I won’t blame them.

  8. BeingThere June 4, 2012 at 9:30 am #

    Great post today, JHK—
    Nothing could be more on the mark as we see the reality hit the fan. Can’t wallpaper $1.4 quadrillion forever. In this form of inverted communism there are so few choices for things to be re-arranged. The interest rates stay super-low so people can’t make money on safe money. The banks can borrow at 0%, but lend at much higher rates. They can game the bond market.
    They have us around their little fingers and the “Job CRE-A-Tors” can just sit back, and wait for the Republicans to lower their taxes, do away with minimum wage,and smash the unions—yes they are all walking in lockstep to smash FDR, and destroy the middle class.
    Who will be the buyers of last resort?
    The simple answers are always the best. Re-instate Glass-Steagall, but the neoliberals and banks say no. Since both sides of the aisle have the same economic philosophy w. a few differences in rhetoric, our think tanks and educators, there is little dissent from this process and the untouchable Corzine runs free.
    My theory is this thing will keep destroying wealth up the economic ladder. We are kicking up the cold war in the middle east, against Russia and in the South China seas. Love to know what fumes are going to make this possible.
    I have quoted Orwell numerous times because it rings so true….
    We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right.  Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality, usually on a battlefield.
    • —George Orwell (1946)

  9. Tangurena June 4, 2012 at 9:33 am #

    I remain convinced that these fatuous rites will meet with disruption.

    With the way the thugs running the GOP are having Ron Paul delegates beaten and expelled from the conventions, you called that one right.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgTpLOUxC6Q

  10. 3rd Generation June 4, 2012 at 9:35 am #

    Why isn’t Eric Holder sharing a cell with Jon Corzine today ? Why is there No Justice in America ?
    The fish rots from the head down.
    Guillotine blade sharpening. An up and coming franchise opportunity ?

  11. budizwiser June 4, 2012 at 9:39 am #

    JK – you certainly have a gift. Your prose is beyond just gnarly – it is most excellent – as well.
    Yes indeed – we are indeed at the apex, or summit of a mountain peak of cultural bullshit.
    Even as a child, maybe as much as 30 or 40 years ago I always had wondered why people could break the speed limit or spit on the sidewalk. I asked my parents how I should tell which laws I could break and which ones I had to follow. (no answer as I remember)
    The answer of course depends on who you are, how much money you have – and ,how you use your money around election times.
    As you have concluded in this weeks exposition – all the contortions of the market makers have done nothing to attract the attention of the masses.
    Don’t be discouraged. There is value in your writing. Even if there is no attention from the stupor-induced masses you have so righteously warned for years.

  12. empirestatebuilding June 4, 2012 at 9:40 am #

    Short of running around like a screaming lunatic and wasting whatever energy I have left, I can only think to go Zen and conserve my strength for the coming catastrophe. But I might as well enjoy the ride down the slide while it is happening. To bad there is a dragon at the bottom waiting to eat me.
    Aimlow Joe was here
    http://www.aimlow.com

  13. newworld June 4, 2012 at 9:40 am #

    Post 1945 our elite has tried to create the “New Man” dedicated to democracy and commerce, that endeavor is pretty much a clusterfuck these days.
    In a bit of irony, the old reactionary party of my youth the GOP is most dedicated to this failure, even if you lefties waste your lives trying to hear its dog whistling to whites. The supposed radical party has become the party of Race as defined by Disraeli.
    As a white nationalist (zionism for whites) I thank you from the bottom of my heart. Now remember my liberal friends, show no mercy to any “white” who strays on iota from creating a world without a white anything, no mercy.

  14. Jason Heppenstall June 4, 2012 at 9:42 am #

    Nice post Mr Kunstler.
    Being over here on the European side of things, one can certainly sense a frisson of, shall we say, panic in the air. Or maybe it’s just the smell of rotting faith?
    I guess we shall find out soon enough.
    22billionenergyslaves.blogspot.com/

  15. ozone June 4, 2012 at 9:46 am #

    Forsooth, Sir Kunstler!
    “The world is waiting to re-learn an old lesson: that untruth and reality exist in an adversarial relationship. Sad to say, there isn’t enough legal infrastructure in the world, nor enough time, to pass judgment on all the lies and misrepresentations that burden the current edition of what passes for civilization. This goes especially for money matters, where currencies, certificates, and contracts actually have to represent what they purport to stand for. When those relationships fail, as they have been doing for some years now, everything falls apart.”
    “Demons of their own design”, indeed.
    Again, as you aver, it’s not just the shenanigans, it’s the massive erosion of trust. The grifters know what that leads to, but they hope to bilk a bit more before making a run for it. How much further can they pay out the line?
    So now, it’s all about the consolidation of power by fear of violence. Can the people’s rights be whittled away fast [and quietly] enough, so that by the time ‘the folks’ find themselves destitute and desperate, they’ll be firmly under the thumb of a fascist Gestapo state with absolutely no recourse whatsoever? I believe that to be the race that means the most. Which will reach its’ critical mass first? Awareness or enslavement? (The tentacles of debt enslavement are wound tightly around most [at least partially-clad folks], the question then evolves to whether those contracts should be honored. The Big Boyz certainly seem to lawyer their way out of their obligations slickly enough; they’re not setting a “good example”, or perhaps they thought it wouldn’t be noticed…)
    Word o’ the Week:
    Pranged-
    Crashed; damaged by collision.
    Good one, James!

  16. lsjogren June 4, 2012 at 9:50 am #

    Steve: What exactly is this “real progressive” party you hope for?
    One that is more completely committed to a society based on an omnipresent central government handing out resources to the public that do not exist? (when I say “do not exist” I am speaking about the resources, although come to think of it it probably also applies to the populace)
    It seems to me you share the cargo cult mentality of those currently in power, and differ only in that you want the Gods to marshal up a bigger fleet of air freighters to bring in their goodies.

  17. Neon Vincent June 4, 2012 at 9:54 am #

    “Welcome to the Wormhole” makes for an interesting image, but I’m not sure you’re the right kind of science fiction author to make full use of it. The kind of technophile that usually writes stories with wormholes associates that phenomenon with the ability to cheat the speed of light. Wormholes are, after all, ways of getting somewhere faster, which is usually considered to be a good thing in science fiction. I have my doubts that’s how you’re using the term. A better choice might be the Event Horizon, the surface at which light ceases to escape a black hole and which marks the point of no return for something entering a singularity. Oh, wait, you don’t like the idea of The Singularity, either.
    Over at Crazy Eddie’s Motie News, I’ve been in a science fiction frame of mind, posting the latest space, environmental health, sustainability education, and general sustainabilty news. I’ve also pointed out that Detroit just experienced the warmest spring in recorded history and has had above normal temperature for 13 consecutive months. The country as a whole has had the warmest 12 consecutive months since the closing of the American Frontier. Speaking of global warming, the politicians beholden to the real estate interests in North Carolina are proposing to make scientifically correct projections of sea level rise illegal. Paging King Canute! Also, one of the candidates in the runoff election for the corn pone fascist nomination for Texas’s U.S. Senate seat is an Agenda 21 conspiracy theorist. Finally, the snarky animators at Next Media Animation are having a great time turing Detroit’s troubles into farce.
    As for my promise to explain what I wrote about Elaine Meinel Supkis, I know I haven’t followed through–yet. Leave me a comment on my blog, and you’ll light a fire under me to compose an entry.
    Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit!
    http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

  18. welles June 4, 2012 at 9:58 am #

    This analysis is simply flat out wrong. It presupposes that money is a finite commodity and that ineluctible consequences will follow from its alleged absence.
    Money is no longer a finite resource represented by physical gold, shells, etc. ‘Wealth’ can simply
    be printed at will. The only downside is that the currency becomes worth less, to an extent that seems, at least til now, to be manageable.
    In a world where money is freely printable in dollars and Euros, and in unlimited amounts, all ‘money’ troubles become manageable – though possibly with some inflationary consequences.
    Kicking the can down the road is endlessly possible, which is why kunstler’s predictions never pan out.
    Who really believes Mr. and Mrs. Fatass Amerikan is gonna riot like it’s 1968? Come on…
    JP Morgan’s $5B loss is somehow a problem? When JPM owns the Treasury printing press? Gimme a break, this isn’t even a micro bat of a monetary eyelash. The whole story is just to keep the public placated, thinking “Good to see those bad guys got what’s coming to them!”
    The monetary game’s over – paper has been the new gold for decades.
    The refrain of “there’s no money left” has become simply a game of who gets saved by the central bank of europe or the fed, in electronic transactions that you’ll never know took place.
    peace peaceniks
    ps i reserve the right to be wrong
    pps roasted a phenomenal 40-pound pig yesterday here over anjica wood coals. y’all come down now, plenty of room and water and good times here in south america

  19. greyghost05 June 4, 2012 at 9:58 am #

    “Mrs. Merkel becoming a pole dancer when her party gets tossed out of leadership”
    When the European food chain breaks give her a few weeks and she might just become a pole dancer or a wind chime hanging from a pole.
    A broken food chain will be the end to America’s obesity problems and start the zombie phase. Scary times ahead for sure. Mickey B, hizzoner from NYC will find no need to outlaw “Big Gulp’s” cause there will be no deliveries.
    Life is going to make some real shifts and only those who are prepared will see the sunshine on the other side. Healthcare will become whatever you have in your team’s aid kit and whatever you can scrounge or steal. Delivered by a guy with 10 weeks of training at Fort Sam Houston.
    My bet is that 3 months into the coming mess Gold will be $5.00 a pound and Butter will be $1000.00 an ounce !

  20. noel bodie June 4, 2012 at 9:59 am #

    What shall we do if we stop believing in ourselves? In the words of Kipling… CARRY ON, CARRY ON! All hail QEII. hang in there clusterfuckers! Most excellent post, sir James.

  21. ozone June 4, 2012 at 10:06 am #

    Excellent comment, BT/LB.
    As to your Orwellian upshot:
    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality, usually on a battlefield.”
    • —George Orwell (1946)
    Wholly Garbanzo Beans!
    If this isn’t the chiseled-in-stone credo of the psy-ops brain-wankers, it certainly SHOULD be!!

  22. Glaucus June 4, 2012 at 10:07 am #

    Well, this world without consequences has been going on for some time now, and it’s only a question of ‘when’ it’s going to halt.
    I take solace in the fact that we are living through an ecological process right now which will correct itself as a matter of necessity in the not to distant future.
    I am concerned about what the impacts of this dissolution might look like for our bigger cities and the citizens that live there. At my blog called ‘planningdown’ I explore options that could be administered to downscale our cities for a less energy and resource rich future. The transition process will be rough, but what other choice do we have?
    -glaucus
    [url=”https://planningdown.wordpress.com/”]planningdown[/url]

  23. Phutatorius June 4, 2012 at 10:10 am #

    Four American novels I’ve selected to display on my mantel (and I’ve read all of them):
    JR by Wm. Gaddis (about money)
    Blood Meridian by C. McCarthy (about violence)
    Moby-Dick by H. Melville (about money & violence)
    The Confidence Man by H. Melville ()
    I can hardly recommend them highly enough.
    -Phut

  24. andrei_timoshenko June 4, 2012 at 10:10 am #

    It is impossible to consume that which has not been produced. As such, the floor of our real production capabilities is set by what we consume today – the real assets that we MUST have today are the assets necessary to produce everything we are consuming. Moreover, since we currently consume a lot of frivolous things, we have the capacity to produce a lot more than is needed for rudimentary survival – there is slack that can be shifted to different uses at any point that push comes to shove.
    Who exactly owns what is definitely a question (and one that is obfuscated through great economic complexity), but while not everyone may own (control) something, everything must be owned (controlled) by someone. Any crisis to come will be the result of disputes over actual control over things (and of lost capabilities as people decide to stop cooperating and begin fighting). It will not come from the discovery that the food we eat today, or the electricity we use, or the houses we live in, or the clothes we wear were somehow figments of our imagination.
    Of course, what I describe is dependent on the availability of a broad set of natural resources not simultaneously falling off a cliff, but barring a nuclear winter or a zombie apocalypse, even the most pessimistic of models tend to suggest independent decline rather than collective collapse.

  25. bailey June 4, 2012 at 10:16 am #

    When Samuel Beckett’s ‘Waiting For Godot’ enlightened Parisian audiences in the early 50’s, it was the German prisoners next door who got it, produced it in their own prisons and wrote to Beckett, feeling electrified by the play, offering their interpretation, “your godot was our godot” they saw the lesson of fraternity even in the worst conditions, all waiting for godot knowing he is already there. godot was their neighbor in the cell next door, ‘let us do something to help him then, change the shoes that are hurting him!’….
    its all about symbiosis Beckett said. Relying upon one another for survival. Godot arrived long ago, we’re just watching the outline fill itself in….no need to wait anymore.

  26. Casual Observer June 4, 2012 at 10:22 am #

    Brilliant JHK quote:
    “wherein you are expected to just bend over and take it good and hard where the sun don’t shine and then you are rewarded with a baloney sandwich.”
    This is the JHK we have come to love every Monday morning!

  27. mow June 4, 2012 at 10:27 am #

    for a preview of this summers political attractions read I B Singers ‘The Gentleman from Cracow’

  28. Gus44 June 4, 2012 at 10:27 am #

    “what dogs me more and more every day is how come Jon Corzine is still at large six months after mugging MF Global’s customers” Seriously? You don’t understand why a billionaire who used to be a Senator and Governor is essentially immune to prosecution? For the same reason that ancien regime nobility didn’t pay taxes. Laws are for the little people; this guy is both obscenely rich and politically connected. Such people don’t face prosecutors. He may need to pay a (to him) small fine, but he won’t be wearing an orange jumpsuit.

  29. Dirk June 4, 2012 at 10:28 am #

    Is is simply fascinating to me how tenaciously our world tries to hang on to this unsustainable finacial ‘system’ which is, to us here anyway, in its final death throws. Or maybe because I really loathe the entire idea of investing, economics, ‘making a profit’ and see it all as
    inherently evil that I see the demise so clearly. It is not without a certain mobid ‘I told you so’ that I look forward to watching the ‘wealthy’ squirm as all that wealth just….poof….vaporizes because it never really existed at all. What fun!

  30. Ogier de Beauseant June 4, 2012 at 10:40 am #

    So the end is nigh. Doom awaits us, beyond our control. Won’t have been the first time. The 20th century had a lot of those moments. Been there done that. What’s a financial panic or two. Walk in the park compared to the slaughter of WW2. The only news I have heard recently that scared me was that Israel is secretly building in fleet of subs armed with nuclear cruise missiles. Now that’s really scary.

  31. dale June 4, 2012 at 10:47 am #

    Ever wonder what it might be like to live in a world without consequences? Well, you’ve had a good look at it for more than a couple of years. How did it work out?
    —————————————–
    Of course, there is no such thing as a world without consequences.
    There is also no such thing as a world where journalists can predict consequences reliably. Ergo, if and when you are part of the herd that is right this time, it will be with much the same veracity of a stopped watch being right.
    Jimmy Boy, were into the shit for so long it’s doubtful you’ll ever really be able to gloat over the fall of mankind. When it comes, it will be with a whimper, not a bang. Even the die off will likely take a decade or two.

  32. K June 4, 2012 at 10:48 am #

    The masses may not be quite as clueless as you allege James.
    http://www.Thesisa.org/

  33. Phutatorius June 4, 2012 at 10:49 am #

    Have you been reading “How the End Begins”?

  34. hmuller June 4, 2012 at 10:49 am #

    “Running the pitchfork concession” at a national party convention!? Oh James, now you’re flirting with Camp FEMA for sure. NSA AI scanners are going into red alert with a terrorist threat like that. But it’s all for our own protection, don’t you know. And the police state is not all bad; maybe some of us have to go to the airport to get touched in that special way.

  35. noel bodie June 4, 2012 at 10:49 am #

    On another note, with rumors of 20,000 people at the opening day of the Des Moines Farmer’s Market, I expect push back from agribusiness to strengthen. Agenda 21 folks are starting to liken it to “socialism” etc. Look for restrictions on local food to emerge. After all Monsanto, cargill, ADM, et.al. Have alot riding on the status quo and there has already this year been reports of food born illness coming from California.

  36. endofworld June 4, 2012 at 11:11 am #

    great write n’s today–gold will be price-less–and butter and all food stuffs will be left where they grow til they rot or picked by the hooligans,barbarians,etc…good luck everybody,its getting close.

  37. Ogier de Beauseant June 4, 2012 at 11:14 am #

    I don’t need to read that to know of Man’s instinct for self destruction. The stakes are far higher than paper money and cheese nachos.

  38. GAZ June 4, 2012 at 11:30 am #

    Well said! One of the most intelligent posts I have seen here in quite some time. Nobody should ever underestimate the The Sovereigns’ power to distract and appease the majority and delay the inevitable. Excluding a “Black Swan” event or two, I’m calling SLOW CRASH all the way.
    “the epic volume of blather” Jim talks about has permeated this site as well with a handfull of posters constantly feeding their egos, trying to change the mind of others to their point of view. At this point in time? Seriously? I don’t read the comments after about 50 because it degenerates into off topic, I’m right, your an idiot, juvenile BS. The same thing has happened over at Zero Hedge and the now dead “Life after the oil crash”. I used to get more info from the comments than the subject matter, but now it’s mostly futile attempts at one liners and flame throwing. Like television, the internet could have been the ultimate tool for communication and learning. Now I to have sift through increasing amounts of shit to find anything useful. The time is here where I need to stop wasting time in front of a monitor and instead use it to finish preparing. Yes I know nobody cares, so you can save the “good riddance” comments and continue inflicting your superior intelligence on others.

  39. anti soak June 4, 2012 at 11:32 am #

    Here in Venice Cali there was a small Coop that was busted. Catherine Fitts noted that ‘there is a Whole Foods 2? blocks away, closing the ‘Raw Collective’ added a million dollars a year to that WF gross.

  40. anti soak June 4, 2012 at 11:34 am #

    Found this online:
    Romney’s foreign policy advisors are Jews because foreign policy is best left to the Jews.
    Romney’s line-up:
    Dov Zakheim – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    Robert Kagan – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    Michael Chertoff – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    Eliot Cohen – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    Eric Edelman – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    John Lehman – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    Evan Feigenbaum – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    Aaron Friedberg – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    Kent Lucken – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    Kristen Silverberg – (Israeli Dual C’zen)

  41. tpverde June 4, 2012 at 11:47 am #

    I happen to live in a rural area of the ‘global south’ where the locals long ago learned to mistrust both politicians and their pronouncements from the distant capital, San Jose.
    Having never completely abandoned local agricultural techniques and the ‘under the table’ rural economy, it seems that there is a palpable social awareness that hard times are coming.
    More fields are being planted, more perennial crops established in former pastures, etc.
    Both interesting to see the dynamic at work and grateful that they have land, tools and the know how to fall back on.

  42. anti soak June 4, 2012 at 11:49 am #

    Yes, How can You / I / We prepare?

  43. Hammering Truth June 4, 2012 at 11:49 am #

    Suddenly, Jim Cramer has realized that there is a banking problem: http://youtu.be/IAnuuDser3A

  44. William Hunter Duncan June 4, 2012 at 11:54 am #

    Yeah, I’ve always thought zeitgeist had a fascist ring to it. “Spirit of the age” indeed. Like the Facebook news feed, a tyrannical consensus of silence.
    http://www.offthegridmpls.blogspot.com

  45. bproman June 4, 2012 at 11:54 am #

    Big bags of baloney batman the early bird no longer wants the rotten worm and does not want radioactive Toxic Tuna.

  46. JBPravda June 4, 2012 at 11:59 am #

    Whilst the electric ‘juice’ still flows through those wires to your increasingly unaffordable abode, rent ‘The Thirteenth Floor’, directed by Josef Rusnak, wherein it is revealed that we—you, me, any thing, i.e., noun—-are but verbs, consisting in 1s and 0s on the great? Simulator’s gaming screen…………..GAME OVER, would you like to ‘play’ (see: Shakespeare dude’s various reveals about this all being ‘staged’, strutting players) again?! When I.T.s rules are per se arbitrary, petty human logic ain’t gonna cut it.

  47. Bill Neil June 4, 2012 at 12:10 pm #

    I’ve returned to reading James’ blog now that the economic crisis is boiling again.
    I thought readers might be interested in an essay I wrote about “Creative Destruction” and Wendell Berry’s Jefferson Lecture, given in DC on April 23, 2012, which was not well covered by the press.
    The essay is “The Costs of Creative Destruction: Wendell Berry vs. Gene Sperling.”
    Mr. Sperling is one of President Obama’s leading economic advisors,such as they are.
    Wendell Berry is about an alternative economy, a local one, and is, in some ways, similar to JHK’s directions, but at the rural not urban end, and with a different “founding” philosophy.
    Here’s a link to Part II: http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2012062202/part-ii-costs-creative-destruction-wendell-berry-vs-gene-sperling

  48. kenuck June 4, 2012 at 12:14 pm #

    Piss in my face and tell me it’s a’raining..”7 billion where’s there’s room for 3″??You all are preachin to the choir….

  49. ccm989 June 4, 2012 at 12:19 pm #

    Without a doubt, JHK’s column is the BEST part of Monday mornings. But the solution to the world economic mess was posted in today’s column – “a system plagued by deception and pranged by massive cross-defaults.”
    Yup, cross-defaults. I owe you and you owe me. USA owes Europe and Europe owes everyone. And as hard the World Bank tries to gouge usury interest from the third world, there’s no getting blood from stones. If Europe defaults, then everyone defaults. The world can cross out each other’s debt with the touch of a computer keyboard. If the USA has to, it can even order the National Guard to commandeer the supply chain, take over the railroads and the food producers and drop ship supplies to towns to divvy up among the residents until it all gets figured out. No anarchy but a whole lot of national emergency. All we got to watch out for is the warmongers who want us perpetually tilting at windmills. Iran is just a windmill.
    Most people won’t revolt. Not as long as the 300 lb. behemoths have the boob tube on and there’s Fritos to stuff in their faces. Even getting out of their collapsed easy chairs to check on their supply of guns and ammo requires effort that most of them won’t make. Too fat, dumb and exhausted to think or even move. Ever wonder why the government subsidizes corn syrup? That’s why. We, the readers of CFN, are probably a little more prepared, a little more cautious and a little more up on what’s going on because we read the newspapers, scan the Internet and discuss what the possible repercussions might be.
    Knowledge is power. It keeps you 10 steps up ahead of the bullshit.

  50. BeingThere June 4, 2012 at 12:24 pm #

    Yeah, CCm989
    But what if these folks watching the TV have no walls around them and they’re in cardboard box Hovervilles with the snow dusting their heads, then what?
    ——
    That’s Ozone,
    in other words,
    When the truth is found to be lies
    And all the joy within you dies……

  51. sevenmmm June 4, 2012 at 12:31 pm #

    Better than sitting here on my ass getting fat watching TV. Actually looking forward to it, and I don’t know what that says about me!
    The die is cast, we shall find out soon enough if the square in which your chips are placed will be a winner, or are amongst the many losers.
    This is the way it has always been.

  52. Inquiring Mind June 4, 2012 at 12:32 pm #

    Such alarmism and dire pessimism. Continual warnings and predictions of a collapse that will never happen. (When is JHK going to realize that his “Prognostications Ratings” are very low, as is his resultant credibility?) We are not going back to medieval times… living in a barn with animals and growing potatoes, a plow and ox being our most valuable asset. Give this all a rest.
    Welles is correct. There is no finite currency. It is all electronic money now, created at the will of the institutions in power. They will continue to muddle through and continue their errant and self-serving ways.
    There will be collapses and follies but they will quickly be mended and replaced with newer follies and unusual solutions that will keep society rolling.
    There will be no end to “happy motoring” either. Man will figure out how to continue to transport himself and get to wherever he needs to go in comfort and style.
    I enjoy my car (don’t use it that much) and it has acted as a major convenience and asset to me. I have no desire to use public transportation and will not. I like my privacy and the ability to operate my own vehicle and come and go whenever I need to. So do the rest of us and we will protect that convenience.
    Knock off all the doom and gloom I say and concentrate on the positive and help to make a better world. Amen.

  53. JonathanSS June 4, 2012 at 12:38 pm #

    Good comments! I wanted to elaborate on the following:

    We, the readers of CFN, are probably a little more prepared, a little more cautious and a little more up on what’s going on because we read the newspapers, scan the Internet and discuss what the possible repercussions might be.

    Any new sources that rely on corporate advertising, I find, to be less reliable and more prone to “status quo” thinking. Most columnists don’t have a very good grasp on much of what they are writing about, aren’t able to question their sources and are loath to attack the companies that are feeding them.
    For example, I read a headline that gives a rosy prediction for California offshore drilling:
    “Massive Oil Deposits Off California Coasts”
    When you read the details, they’re talking 24 billion barrels total recoverable with 100 million barrels per day. That’s 10% of domestic production, roughly 4% of our daily use and a little over 1% of worldwide demand. This would have virtually no impact on pricing. None of these pricing details is mentioned.

  54. Vlad Krandz June 4, 2012 at 12:43 pm #

    Reinstate Glass-Seagull? Great. And get rid of Obama, right? It’s time folks. Mr Kunstler has lead the way of out the Democratic Party. But you seem to be lagging behind. Last week you even accused the Republicans of creating the idea of Obama as a Cult Leader. Bullshit. He was and for many (you?), he still is. And to deny this is revisionism.
    And Liberalism needs alot of revisionism to keep going. Like pretending that Black behavior during Katrina was somehow the fault of Whites.

  55. azgog June 4, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

    Corzine, like John Edwards, is in the protected class and immune from prosecution by the system they have created. BTW, I don’t envy the 1% for their toys, mansions or insecurity but I do object when they bid up the price of quality food so high that I’m priced out. Examples: Halibut, ahi tuna, organic milk and soon Alaskan salmon. I guess the rest of us will have to make do with soybeans and pink slimeburgers. I truly hate them for that.
    Meanwhile, as yet more “confidence” is lost I call Bank Runs, starting now in the PIGS States and soon to spread around the world.
    The shell game draws closer to its ultimate end even as desperate measures are invoked. This can only go on for so long – how much longer is the Big Question.

  56. Vlad Krandz June 4, 2012 at 12:47 pm #

    Possibly some inflationary consequences? Seems Madam? Nay it is. I know not seems.
    Americans wont riot? They did two weeks ago – anarchist/communists in Oakland. And they will on a huge scale if George Zimerman is found innocent. Or do you not think Blacks are Americans? One can only dream, eh?

  57. Vlad Krandz June 4, 2012 at 12:53 pm #

    A stick sharpend at both ends? You are the Lord of the Flies, Orson. And what did you do with poor piggy’s specs? You think to solve the enegy crisis with solar, I suppose?

  58. Vlad Krandz June 4, 2012 at 12:56 pm #

    Both parties tend to be controlled at the top by the dIsraelis. See Anti’s post. The one good think about Obama has been standing up (a bit) to Israel.

  59. Vlad Krandz June 4, 2012 at 1:12 pm #

    Let us reason together: Black Americans reached their cultural height while firmly under White Control. This is in terms of Blues, Jazz, and the Harlem Renaissance. They have done nothing since the triumph of Civil Rights which resulted in the squalor of the welfare state – also known as “The Great Society”, except degenerate. And what they gonna do when the checks stop coming? You know what they gonna do. You know. Don’t be there.

  60. miik June 4, 2012 at 1:19 pm #

    I’d like to see everything work out well in the end.

  61. welles June 4, 2012 at 1:22 pm #

    Americans wont riot? They did two weeks ago – anarchist/communists in Oakland.
    a few dozen/hundred musty anarchists/communists don’t even count, come on and get real, there is no evidence of any large-scale rioting taking place.
    the US already went thru massive layoff convulsions in 2008 while the miscreants who should’ve lost everything (banks/bankers) walked away with your and my house as ‘punishment’, and where is the outrage to that? didn’t happen, country is far too inebriated on fa(s)t food and tv idiocy.
    europeans are much more prone to riots.
    anarchists? give me a break.
    communists? laughable
    as for george zimmerman, yes non-thinking blacks will riot, but that’ll quiet down too.
    useless country with some good people left in it.
    peace peaceniks

  62. Vlad Krandz June 4, 2012 at 1:25 pm #

    Did you just hear Rush? A poll in 2011 found that many people thought that Gays were 25% or more of the population. This tendency was greatest among young people and women. And what does that say about women? That they are creatures whose minds are mediated by the media. They remain “young people” all their lives.
    The reality is Gays are 2 or 3 percent. And the Elite want to up end everything for this small minority. What about the rights of the majority?

  63. horseoutside June 4, 2012 at 1:27 pm #

    Hi, does anyone have the scoop on which brand of Reptile Kibble was being served at the 2012 Bilderberg breakfast buffets?

  64. Vlad Krandz June 4, 2012 at 1:28 pm #

    Have you renounced your citizenship yet? I’ve heard their asking for alot of money to do that now. But it might be worth to get out from under our Tax Law. As it is, more and more foreign banks don’t want to deal with the hassle the IRS is putting them thru with American Accounts.

  65. turkle June 4, 2012 at 1:41 pm #

    “a world without consequences”
    There is no such thing. All actions have consequences. The thing is whether or not you’re forced to own up to the consequences of your own actions. And, yeah, not so much.

  66. malthus June 4, 2012 at 2:07 pm #

    “The way things are lining up, though, it might be a whole different story when the two political parties convene this summer for their nominating rigmarole. I remain convinced that these fatuous rites will meet with disruption.” The 1968 convention and Kent state will look like birthday parties after these conventions are over. The militarized police forces will be out in numbers cracking skulls with huge smiles on their faces finally getting a chance to put any and all protesters on the racks and tear out their lungs. They are prepping and training for the great days to come now and finally showing who has the power.

  67. BeingThere June 4, 2012 at 2:07 pm #

    I know I can put a smile on all your faces, yet:
    Check out this clever cartoon
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/banks-and-whole-democracy-thing-90-seconds-or-less

  68. malthus June 4, 2012 at 2:11 pm #

    “All the nations where people wear clothing are in desperate trouble.” You and I both know Sandy that any civilization is a gamble at best. In this case it looks like a loss.

  69. ASPO Article 1037 June 4, 2012 at 2:11 pm #

    Lacking JHK railway comment (Jim’s looking at spv.co.uk map volumes) here is another item:
    Because of fact the Curator Emeritus of the Smithsonian Institution has signed on to csrail, this merits attention of resident doomers hooked to this comment section.
    Railway links survive EMP, inabilty to maintain Interstate Highways, and cut-off of imported and off-shore oil flows. Be sure you live within walking distance to a railway distribution point. If you choose remote residence, determine where the closest dormant rail branchline once ran, and put together a local consortium or financial coalition to get tracks back on the ground.
    This is all simple building block stuff, ans large businesses reliant on trucking will join in when they are along the routes in the rebuild program. Natural players in the Oil Interregnum railway rehab are reformed US Army/Guard Railroad Operating & Maintenance Battalions.
    Maintaining outlying US Post Offices is crucial assurance of a secure connection to the food supply infrastructure, particularly as the USPS reverts to the railway mail methodology.
    The largest US rail systems are Mormon controlled (Warren Buffett), the lesson learned and described 100 years ago in Senator Frank J. Cannon’s book “Under The Prophet In Utah”. The Mormons are still in the food cache frame of mind, maintaining home supplies for 3 months, and other staples stored in common at Deseret Warehouses. Mormons are smart enough to encourage vastly expanded US rail distribution of victuals in advance of the emergency.
    Mormon MBA’s and Salt Lake Church leadership understand Transport & Logistics, LDS ownership in many truck lines is in addition to the strategic rail links mentioned. It may be Romney is the modern era Railway President? Lincoln visioned the US railway net before his death; Romney has the organizational (church members)wherewithal to put back together the US rail matrix extant before the VietNam era.

  70. contemonte June 4, 2012 at 2:12 pm #

    the bill collector is rattling at the door, but all the rats have jumped ship. Give me some pork, me guns and me whiskey, and I shall pay no taxes.

  71. turkle June 4, 2012 at 2:15 pm #

    From your article…
    “Barack Obama has become George W Bush on steroids.”
    This is complete horse hockey. He’s like the “mini Me” version of GW. Has BHO started any wars in the Middle East that have turned into multi-trillion dollar boondoogles? When that happens, I shall reconsider my opinion.

  72. contemonte June 4, 2012 at 2:16 pm #

    ain’t nothing wrong with being a commie, as long it’s an honest job, or would you rather be a dishonest, yellow belly, religious bigot?

  73. Vlad Krandz June 4, 2012 at 2:17 pm #

    Most Californians agree with Jim about the proposed high speed trains. They want to build one from SF to LA and it’s already way above budget before ever begun. The other one from LA to Las Vegas is complete nonsense since it starts about 70 miles outside LA.

  74. contemonte June 4, 2012 at 2:18 pm #

    financial ripoffs as “intelligent” in design, as it is living beyond your means, in particular if someone else is left holding the bag.

  75. Vlad Krandz June 4, 2012 at 2:20 pm #

    The Kent State “students” were throwing cinder blocks at the National Guard. Anyone who throws cinder blocks at armed men has no business in college for reasons both political and IQ wise.

  76. contemonte June 4, 2012 at 2:21 pm #

    if you are in shape you can go from Frisco to LA on a bike, unless you weight 300 lb and then having to come back, what a bummer…
    on gravel roads….

  77. turkle June 4, 2012 at 2:23 pm #

    If we Americans could all just run our blimp-mobiles on feelings of self-satisfaction and hubris, then we’d seemingly have an endless energy supply.

  78. contemonte June 4, 2012 at 2:23 pm #

    most kinds shouldn’t be neither in college nor the military…

  79. contemonte June 4, 2012 at 2:26 pm #

    you don’t need to be in the military to jog, do push ups or to throw rocks at headless horsemen….

  80. contemonte June 4, 2012 at 2:30 pm #

    hallelujah I’m glad I’ve stop drinking…give me, me guns and I shall pay no taxes..

  81. turkle June 4, 2012 at 2:31 pm #

    “There will be collapses and follies but they will quickly be mended and replaced with newer follies and unusual solutions that will keep society rolling.”
    Is that what your Magic 8-ball told you, Stinky?

  82. Buck Stud June 4, 2012 at 2:42 pm #

    The Wisconsin recall election is developing into a very interesting spectacle. From the left, the issue is being framed as an attack on “The Working Man” and unions. From the right, the issue is framed as the average Govt employee receiving a salary and benefits package that is more generous than what the average private sector worker receives and not by a small amount.
    Although I recognize the GOP strategy for what it is – eviscerate the earning power of private workers via illegal immigration and outsourcing thus setting the table for private worker resentment against “lavish” Govt worker salaries, benefits and pensions – the outcome of this election is a no-brainer: Walker will remain at the helm.
    And frankly, as one of those in the private sector constantly on the prowl for “the next commission” and subject to the incessant emotional strain of negotiating the uncertainty of the current American economy, I would not bend over backwards or show up at the polls to ensure the continued security of a Govt worker who quite frankly could care less about me unless it concerns extracting more taxes for their future pensions.
    I’m afraid my “ideology” is just going to shrug shoulders on this one. It’s all too convoluted anyway and better a time for two steps back, one step sideways, and just watch it all fall down.

  83. turkle June 4, 2012 at 2:47 pm #

    Some pertinent facts…
    Most people on this planet don’t own cars. There are something like 900 million passenger vehicles and over 7 billion people. Do the ole math on that one. Your paradigm of personal car ownership is not shared with most people, so don’t expect the heavens to part in order for your pet lifestyle to be maintained at all costs.
    Most of the rest of the planet, outside the wealthy regions, still live hand to mouth as subsistence farmers.
    The global energy usage per capita has been falling since the 1970’s. Thus, on a per person basis, we’re already past Peak Energy and into the decline.
    Now my opinion…
    When fossil fuels are mostly exhausted, betting on a civilization-wide collapse scenario is a much better bet than thinking we will all “muddle along” somehow and that the magic scientist gurus will somehow “think of something.”

  84. messianicdruid June 4, 2012 at 3:28 pm #

    “Possibly too a smart low key wait and see attitude.”
    “A prudent man seeth evil afar off, and hideth himself.”
    “Your species has come a long ways in a short time, If you do not have prudence, you have some workable substitute.”
    The Picts saw the trouble coming and took to the woods. Then the mountains, then to the sea beyond the mountains. They were not the type who would sit still to be raped.
    What is your “workable substitute”?

  85. Vlad Kramps June 4, 2012 at 3:31 pm #

    Just relax, people. The car is not going away. Public transit isn’t going away. Our monetary system is not going away. What will change? The way everything looks and feels. A whole lot of shit is going to get a lot more expensive (think Petro dollars, not Euros). Your job will probably go away if you’re not one of the 1% who are lawyers, doctors, and bankers. Otherwise, prepare to pay bucket loads of greenbacks for that loaf of bread, hamburger slime, and cheeze doodles.
    Housing will get cheaper, but you’ll be spending so much of your cash on toilet paper and bread that rooming with 8 to 12 of your closest “buds” will allow your overgrown belly to be filled with PBJ samiches and the like. Think college dorm life, only you won’t be 20, try 60. If you’re just barely middle class, forget college and learn a trade. Learn how to unclog a toilet or sink. If you’re a pretty, sweet young thing, learn the art of grooming the pubic hair of the 1 percent – you may get an unexpected “bonus” if you do a good job.
    If you’re a teacher, firefighter, or some other employee of the state, get together with some friends to learn how to privatize your services. There won’t be enough cash in the coffers to pay your salary and/or pension – it’s gone.
    Trade will be a good thing to be able to exchange for your work, so learn how to do something useful…a good blowjob, for example. It’s all good, after all!

  86. Mack184 June 4, 2012 at 3:42 pm #

    James…
    Multiple times in your recent writings you have referred to the upcoming Dem & Republican conventions and how you hope for disruption and violence similar to the 1968 conventions. First of all, you should be praying for peace. You should be joining others who are praying to the Lord God for peace and guidance and not hoping for upheaval and disaster. Secondly, you have the same warped view of 1968 that many people of a certain age happen to have. What you might want to CAREFULLY remember is that the disruption of the conventions in 68, especially the Dem convention in Chicago so disgusted the bulk of middle class Americans, that it virtually guaranteed the election of Richard Nixon. Do not think that the lazy, spoiled hippy rabble known as “Occupy” will win the hearts and minds of the people. What it will do is once again make people seek someone whom they view as a strong man, a man who will put the rabble in it’s place. This would be a bad move all around. Again, I suggest that you seek the Lord God and pray for peace and guidance. You have a great many gifts, you could be a great prophet if only you would seek God and his son Jesus Christ, who would bring your talents to actual fruition and make you a prophet who brings people news that is true and believeable, instead of making the same empty predictions over and over. True, the time is coming where we are going to be in for the shock of our lives, but it is only going to be revealed in the fullness of God’s time. Not in man’s time or on man’s schedule. You could be a truly great prophet James, but only if you seek God’s wisdom. Best wishes.

  87. Vlad Kramps June 4, 2012 at 3:48 pm #

    Gays are probably somewhere around 8 – 10% of the population. In theory, they are not worth getting overly excited about politically. 90% of the population is straight and likes to breed. This will cause their poverty rate to skyrocket as the cost of raising children to age 18 and beyond will plunge even the upper middle class into extreme poverty. Let’s not even do the math on the cost of a college education. I know several straight couples who have taken out 2nd and 3rd mortgages to pay for junior’s BA degree.
    It made sense back in the day when most folks lived on farms to have as many kids as they could…free field hands. As you know, most people today in the U.S. don’t live on farms but rather suburban cul-de-sacs. Now, you may be able to raise a few rows of tomatoes, squash, or celery on your 1/16 of an acre, but it’s hardly the stuff that a family can sustain itself on. Besides, what would your homeowner’s association say if you were to devote part of your front lawn to growing eggplant, god forbid?

  88. Vlad Kramps June 4, 2012 at 3:54 pm #

    When you get around to talking to god, kindly let us know the approximate date when he’s going to let the SHTF. Inquiring minds want to know! Also, I don’t know how much you remember about 1968, but the times, they have a changed, dude! As I recall, garbage men as they were called then, went on strike to receive better wages and working conditions. This ain’t 1968, and I don’t hear any squawking from garbage, ahem, sanitation workers, or any other workers, like we did then. Splain yaself, peas.

  89. Liquid Lennny June 4, 2012 at 4:07 pm #

    It’s only a matter of time now before we reach the event horizon of this approaching wormhole.
    As the vertiginous nature of what poses for civilization increases, systems will unravel until the next final solution is revealed.
    The upside,if you want to be the optimist is the pressures imposed on the planet by population growth will be diminished.
    The Dogs of War are getting restless and they are the monsters of the coming end of the age.
    For the visually inclined here’s a intriguing depiction of those monsters;
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLORNUOSCPE&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL1B438A2E13DD52BF
    One caveat, I don’t agree with the author’s take on who or what the monsters are. To me it leans to much towards the same ol’ blame game.
    But you make your own call…

  90. mistified June 4, 2012 at 4:08 pm #

    ” I would not bend over backwards or show up at the polls to ensure the continued security of a Govt worker who quite frankly could care less about me unless it concerns extracting more taxes for their future pensions.”
    End of story. I don’t give a shit what someone in the private sector makes. It doesn’t cost me a farthing.

  91. helen highwater June 4, 2012 at 4:26 pm #

    That was a rumour. Actual count for opening day at Des Moines Farmers Market was 2,400.

  92. James Hansen June 4, 2012 at 4:52 pm #

    Last week you were fantasizing about beating and slapping women and this week you are say pretty young girls should become prostitutes and get proficient at blowjobs.
    I think you need the services of a strong man with an axe handle to straighten you the fuck out. You sure are a woman hating piece of shit.
    You are also a blog hog, pumping out 200 posts a week of the same old black, gay, and woman hating garbage. It would be nice to see how CFN would be without you , if even only for a week. I believe a lot of new people would post here if not for your incessant postings.

  93. James Hansen June 4, 2012 at 4:55 pm #

    I got my Vlads mixed up but the sentiment still stands.

  94. Vlad Kramps June 4, 2012 at 4:59 pm #

    I have no fucking earthly idea what you’re talking about. I haven’t posted here in weeks. I never mentioned anything about beating up girls, you stupid, red-necked idiot. 200 posts a week? You’ve got to have me mistaken for Asoka. Talk about assholes. Never said I thought women should be giving out blowjobs left and right. Au contraire, women aren’t the only ones who can handle such things, you vile piece of shit-encrusted garbage.

  95. Vlad Kramps June 4, 2012 at 5:01 pm #

    Viva La Kramps! AKA Vlad Krantz, my hero!

  96. Vlad Kramps June 4, 2012 at 5:02 pm #

    Vlad may be gay, but he’s closeted. I am OUT!

  97. James Hansen June 4, 2012 at 5:06 pm #

    So the strong man with the axe handle gets to work over two Vlads at the same time, that’s OK with me.

  98. anti soak June 4, 2012 at 5:40 pm #

    Hello Mistified. Does that include bankers? Their salaries dont cost ‘us’ anything?
    Solendra?
    ‘GREEN SCAM: 80% of Green Energy Loans Went to Obama Donors …
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/…/green-scam-
    ‘Although I recognize the GOP strategy for what it is – eviscerate the earning power of private workers via illegal immigration and outsourcing thus setting the table for private worker resentment’
    So it was the Republicans that opened the floodgates in 65?
    Yes, Mc Cain and the Neo cons are for open borders,are any of the [fold hands in prayer] Dems for secure borders?

  99. bshirt June 4, 2012 at 5:52 pm #

    Very, very good points, Buck Stud.
    I too couldn’t possibly care less what some entitled govn employee parasite thinks when they find their free ride is over. Atlas can’t shrug fast enough.

  100. James Hansen June 4, 2012 at 6:01 pm #

    Sorry Kramps, I totally misinterpreted your posts, to make amends I will pay for you to take Vlad on a two week cruise and every body will be happy.

  101. ozone June 4, 2012 at 6:08 pm #

    Clackety-clickety-clack-clup-clippety-clackety… *ding*
    -zzzrip-zip-rrip-
    Ah, yes, I have it right here. A missive from the Most High.
    Dear Ozone-dweller… blahdy-blahdy… salutations… yadda same-ol’ yadda… vacation, wife ‘n’ kids… etc., etc…..
    Oh, here we are.
    “And as to those pleading and hectoring fuckwits with their threats and broken promises, please advise them that I gave them everything (and more) that they needed to enjoy the sheer awesomeness of the entirety of the universe and everything in it, and they went and made a FUCKING HASH OF IT! Tell them to stop with the pissy supplications and fervent belief that I have given them a “special” place in the general order of things. I most certainly have not, and for all I care, they can kindly go piss up a rope and then proceed to considering themselves less valuable than a small speck of ant droppings. Perhaps the large brain they eventually inherited could be turned to that endeavor without a lot of destruction as a result.”
    (There’s the usual sign-offs and witticisms, but that was the portion I thought might be of interest.)

  102. Vlad Kramps June 4, 2012 at 6:15 pm #

    Can we make it a three hour tour? And can we include the professor (Elethro)and Mary Anne (San Jose mom)? And can I be….Ginger??? And you may be Gilligan. We can let Krantz be the Cap’n. Oh, golly gee, when can we set sail? Do we have to wait til the weather starts to gettin rough?

  103. Vlad Kramps June 4, 2012 at 6:18 pm #

    Oh, and let’s let Kwoostik be the millionaire. And maybe we can let Prog. be his wife (hell, they fight so much, they might as well be married, right?) LOL! 😀

  104. anti soak June 4, 2012 at 6:18 pm #

    OC Lifeguards at 200K a year, for one example.

  105. ozone June 4, 2012 at 6:20 pm #

    I knew it, Lenny, I knew it!
    I had a suspicion those damn clowns would get us all in the end!
    (Pretty cool diorama, BTW.)

  106. ozone June 4, 2012 at 6:22 pm #

    Krampaw,
    Will it be the tiny ship, or the salad that gets tossed?

  107. Liquid Lennny June 4, 2012 at 6:26 pm #

    Hey Zone,
    Do you know what movie that dio came from?
    I always thought Clowns were kinda creepy, this just proves it…
    LL

  108. ozone June 4, 2012 at 6:32 pm #

    No, I do NOT!
    Please advise ASAP!
    (Guessing at one of the Matrix dealies?)

  109. ozone June 4, 2012 at 6:41 pm #

    Oh, I should learn to read the comments.
    Is the person correct that it’s from “The Dark Knight Rises” (next Batman installment)?

  110. Liquid Lennny June 4, 2012 at 6:42 pm #

    Anyone out there know where this came from? (see above comment link)
    While we’re talking relevent movies, check out this segment from the 1981 movie ‘Rollover’. Talk about fiction becoming reality.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI8dfFN7H1w
    Pass the popcorn…

  111. Widespreadpanic7 June 4, 2012 at 6:43 pm #

    Local newspaper yesterday listed State of CT public sector union members with pensions over $250,000 per year, almost too many to count. Most are retired professors from the State University system, police chiefs and ranking firefighters. Of course, they are all big Libs. The system might be seizing up, Jim, but these pensions must be paid. Govt. retirees are the favored class, and every last drop of sweat and blood will be extracted from the non-union working classes to keep them flush. Its the Law.
    –WSP7

  112. Vlad Krandz June 4, 2012 at 6:44 pm #

    I agree with Jim. You are a disgrace. He has my permission to man the handle and straighten yo Blakc ass out with it. Go to it Jim.

  113. Vlad Krandz June 4, 2012 at 6:50 pm #

    Pure Rockefeller Propaganda via Kinsey – a gay or bi perv himself. Yet Gays have been lauded by the Media to the max and weak minds have succumbed. Homos are 2 or 3 percent. A gifted, noisy, tiny minority. The Love the dare not speak its name wont shut the fuck up already.

  114. barneysgifts June 4, 2012 at 6:58 pm #

    Excellent reminder to pray to the Lord Jesus Christ for peace. He is the Prince of Peace, and His peace surpasses all understanding. All of God’s children should pray for peace. You are not alone, Mack. There may be many Christians who follow JFK’s blog and read the comments here that hope and pray for James to understand that his gift of writing is from God. Whether James knows Jesus Christ or not, his sense of morality should prohibit him from calling for violence and revenge. It always saddens me to read of his desire for people to “take up pitchforks.”

  115. anti soak June 4, 2012 at 7:42 pm #

    Diversity Visas and …
    I got this in an email and did verify ….
    Barack Hussein Obama, in a determination letter to Congress, has announced that he will allow an additional 80,000 immigrants – – mostly from Islamic countries – – to resettle in the United States during fiscal year 2011.
    Obama says that the increase in Muslim immigrants “is justified by humanitarian concerns or is otherwise in the national interest.”
    The following “goals” for new immigrants has been set as follows:
    Africa . . . . . . . . . . . 15,000
    East Asia . . . . . . . . . .. . 19,000
    Europe and Central Asia . . . . . . . . 2,000
    Latin America/Caribbean. . . . . . . . 5,500
    Near East/South Asia. . . . . . . . . 35,500
    Unallocated Reserve . . . . . . . . . . . 3,000
    Refugee Resettlement Watch and other organizations have expressed grave concern that Obama is allowing so many immigrants into the country while so many Americans remain out of work and living in poverty. According to the US Department of Labor, 14.8 million Americans remain unemployed. 6.1 million have been out of work for 27 weeks or over. This figure has been challenged by the Union of the Unemployed who provide statistics that the actual number of unemployed Americans is 31 million.
    The U. S. Census Bureau shows that the median household income for Americans has fallen to $49,777 – – a decline of 0.7% in the past year.
    One in seven Americans no longer can feed themselves. According to The Wall Street Journal, 14.3% of the American people live in abject poverty.
    A refugee is defined by The US Department of Immigration and Naturalization as someone who has left one’s country due to persecution or a fear of persecution. This accounts for the sharp rise of Somali communities throughout the country.
    However, the definition of refugee is “fudged” in several cases. “Refugees” who have not left their country due to persecution, according to Obama’s determination letter, can still be called “refugees” if they are from Iraq, one of the Islamic countries of the former Soviet Union, or Cuba.
    According to Section 413 (a) of the Immigration and Nationalities Act, the Office of Refugee Resettlement is required to submit an annual report to Congress on the activities of the refugees. The report is supposed to include the number who are on public welfare programs, but no report has forthcoming from the Office of Refugee Resettlement since 2007.
    Related: Somalia militants kill Church leader and behead Christians, continuing crackdown on “non-Islamic culture.”

  116. anti soak June 4, 2012 at 7:43 pm #

    ‘police chiefs and ranking firefighters. Of course, they are all big Libs’
    Are they?

  117. Vlad Kramps June 4, 2012 at 7:50 pm #

    Oh, DADDY!!!!!!

  118. Vlad Kramps June 4, 2012 at 7:52 pm #

    I get horny just THINKING about the possiblities! Yummy!

  119. Vlad Krandz June 4, 2012 at 8:19 pm #

    Welcome to the Monkey House. Check out the comments: sanity is accelerating. Sorry Zone type losers!
    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/chaos-plane-crash-hits-one-africas-largest-cities-225951869.html

  120. welles June 4, 2012 at 8:53 pm #

    …saw, by chance, an american try to renounce his citizenship in an overseas embassy once. he was roundly castigated, intimidated…
    that’s your free country for you, just try to leave. says lots about the place doesn’t it?
    peace peaceniks

  121. progress2conserve June 4, 2012 at 9:45 pm #

    Nice week’s work, JHK. Thanks to you, as always.
    Funny stuff, too:
    “…about the same chance of happening as Mrs. Merkel becoming a pole dancer when her party gets tossed out of leadership not many months down the line. All the nations where people wear clothing are in desperate trouble.” -jhk-
    I wish you would sign onto the thread and elaborate on this one! Are you saying that Germany would be better off if Ms. Merkel would lead the Germans in a nude pole dancing festival??
    That’s an amazing image to put into the collective heads of the ClusterFuck Nation, going into a new week.
    Chuckle. Chuckle! Thanks!!
    ======================
    Speaking of the manipulation of public opinion, and the fate of Europe. There’s a poll out that shows that citizens of 7 countries in Europe think the Germans are the hardest working population. One group of countrymen had a different opinion, believing that the GREEKS were the hardest working.
    Which country though this, inquiring minds ask?
    Greece. Go figure.
    http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2012/06/01/the-8-most-fascinating-things-i-read-this-week-.aspx
    Greek data is #2 on the list.

  122. progress2conserve June 4, 2012 at 9:51 pm #

    “Oh, and let’s let Kwoostik be the millionaire. And maybe we can let Prog. be his wife (hell, they fight so much…” -v. kramps-
    No can do, regardless of how bad your kramps get.
    At the most, I’ll do a guest appearance on Gilligan’s Island. I’ll be the head of a tribe of frightening tribesmen from a nearby island. Angela Merkel will be our most frightening tribal pole dance-person.

  123. Shakazulu June 4, 2012 at 9:53 pm #

    “There’s going to be lots of food, if you’re a zombie…”
    That’s no joke.

  124. Shakazulu June 4, 2012 at 9:57 pm #

    “Guillotine blade sharpening. An up and coming franchise opportunity ?”
    That’s the American spirit!

  125. Shakazulu June 4, 2012 at 10:07 pm #

    “Mickey B, hizzoner from NYC will find no need to outlaw “Big Gulp’s” cause there will be no deliveries.”
    Mickey B will be guzzling piña coladas in the Caymans by the time it reaches that point; so don’t worry about hizzoner.

  126. Shakazulu June 4, 2012 at 10:20 pm #

    “Excluding a “Black Swan” event or two, I’m calling SLOW CRASH all the way.”
    BS #1. War with Iran
    BS #2. Demise of the Dollar
    BS #3. False Flag Suitcase Nuke
    If just one of these swans doesn’t swamp our boat, God is more merciful than I would believe.

  127. Shakazulu June 4, 2012 at 10:23 pm #

    “because foreign policy is best left to the Jews.”
    Because no other tribe in history has made such a determined effort to infiltrate and destroy Western Civilization. Even the Mongols were amiable enough to leave us alone once they had taken Russia. Not the Jews. No way.

  128. Shakazulu June 4, 2012 at 10:30 pm #

    “Knock off all the doom and gloom I say and concentrate on the positive and help to make a better world. Amen.”
    If by “knock off” you mean get rid of, then I agree. Let’s start by knocking off the 535 criminals in DC, and finish by eradicating the Federal Reserve International Banking System. That would remove a ton of gloom and impending doom from America.

  129. Shakazulu June 4, 2012 at 10:35 pm #

    “we are going to be in for the shock of our lives, but it is only going to be revealed in the fullness of God’s time.”
    Amen. But don’t you think He’s already trying to reveal a few shocks to us?

  130. Vlad Krandz June 4, 2012 at 11:51 pm #

    No matter. She’s a women and you get excited when you meet a woman – even on a blog. And thus you will worhip her and do her bidding. You and James Hansen will hunt me down at her behest. And then what? A stick sharpened at both ends.

  131. MADMAX June 5, 2012 at 12:05 am #

    I can see why you call yourself Stinkypants – because you are definitely full of shit. Go eat some cheese doodles, you self-centered fat-ass moron.

  132. Liquid Lennny June 5, 2012 at 12:18 am #

    To Zone and other interested parties,
    I found the source of the “monster movie”. (See above)
    Apparently it was a short film done for TV titled “Carousel”.
    The link below sends you to a video on the mechanics on how they did the frozen time segment.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teoSDTJDjF4&feature=related
    It’s amazing to see the creativity expended for entertainment. Now if some of that energy could be harnessed to solve real world problems…
    Enjoy!

  133. ceojr1963 June 5, 2012 at 1:34 am #

    Dear James,
    This is one of your best posts this century.
    I as a child, had a candy kingdom, I was on an airforce base in the middle of the state south of this one, Arkansas is my new home, but I was concieved here by my parents, but was living in the one to the south of me. If a westward bound plane keeps going westward, how many miles could they fly if they never ran out of power?
    As many millions of billions of miles as they wanted too. There is no east or west or north or south, there is only one direction, Forward, then you find yourselve back nearly where you started, but not quite. As the earth rotates around the sun, the sun around the galaxy core and then the universal center line, whichever they can’t find that, as they still can not see that far into the past.
    Whomever wishes can imagine anything they want too.
    But elements are the stuff of legends, gold, silver and copper being our most useful ones, and those are the things you need to have in hand.
    As rome has the “As” we have the penny, the penny has 2.5% copper in it, but pre 1981 when the gov’t was hoarding them as well as others, there was a great buy back, 2 cents pre cent the banks were buying htem in the years I was in highschool, and early in my first college years I have went to 3 colleges, have over 225 college hours of diverse classes and have experiences enough to say, Iceland told Britan to screw you and went back to doing their way and well they have hydro, fire and all the bauxite they can mine. so they will be fine.
    They do have girls that don’t wear clothes, so they might be counted off your list.
    If you know things, keep learning, if you don’t start fast, old tech, stone masons, iron working or steel making, check out boat building, just look at any hard leaf and see it curl and float onthe rain streams down hill, we aren’t dumb, we got here didn’t we.
    If you think god is not here, turn to look at someone you know is bright and think,, what did he get taught before he was born of his mother’s womb, in the dream time.
    Then ask a monk to chop your head off in the highlander movies, or Dune or Lucas films of jedi, I am still figuring out several light saber build ups from wood to wired electrically charged thin motor windings, and a small solar battery off two copper pre 1981 pennies and a can of coke. or a bottle of coke the acid will produce power.
    Knowledge is the power, if you lack it, you will oft times feel like a slave, I am not a slave to anyone but my maker.
    Biowebscape design, my idea, says that I can on 1/36th of an acre grow all the food I will ever need in my 50 to 150 years of life. Trust me I can for myself do that. But can others?
    If one can do it, others can too if they listen.
    Then they can build the next best jedi sword to carry to battle.
    If you lack it, then you will not get anymore and will loose what you have.
    If you can’t think of a way out of the box you put youself in, then ask if the jailer will let you out, if there is only you as the jailer, then hit your head on a firewall and hack your way out.
    If you can’t get this simple message,then oh well , not my issue, I just told you I could, if you can’t chant and cant and recant and dischant, or discount all that I have said and think me a nut, a crazy old guy with a 6 foot wooden stick that says, to the police in my town. Charles, with his ninja stick, who is charles? Why is he carrying that stick?
    Report a missing luna tick…. venus my love goddess, we see you pass before the sun of our eyes, song of solomon beloved, I am here, lover the lane, kill bill or russians kill the status symbol and rewrite the post for me. got to go
    have a boomer to hunt down in the deep dark sea.
    Flipped you off did I?
    Peace from the only Lord of all, Christ the Jesus dude, that guy you love to dislike and know nothing about.

  134. ceojr1963 June 5, 2012 at 1:52 am #

    See the wall on my facebook, or the biowebscape page, or the tree house that a guy in tennesse built, with trees in a forest garden and you have man being swiss family robinson, the road I live on is Camp robinson, but off it not on it, or if I were on it, I’d be walking, driving or diving, or face painting the pavement with chalk, and going , listen to Tom Fm 94.9…. the clinton’s of whom I have met hilary when he husband was local boy number Uno….. heh, we see the thing we want to sow or seed or see which tree did the tree frog’s loose on your hillshire farms? It comes from the tongue twister off my blog about a tow trucking treed three toed tree toad…. laughs, so many horton’s to hear the hooooo who is that masked dude, note this is a test, did you get the rest of the story yet, no he is dead, so sorry, next question. pLease, lay down your arms, no not those , the other ones, the arm off orion, in the drama of phioo K dick,, want to prick my finger now, or saw off the groin first, no , just light it on fire and the F X guys will make the notes to put your lights out at noon, the higher the lower, no just plain high noon, get your six shooters ready.
    Doesn’t it all sound like a good movie plot to you James, come on, this is dress rehersals for your stage play of the books you have, pick up sticks and styx and sting and bono and edge and slash and flash.
    Got to go eat a few worms, and hatchlings, babies babies everywhere got to get eating the babies.

  135. asoka. June 5, 2012 at 2:21 am #

    JHK said:

    This goes especially for money matters, where currencies, certificates, and contracts actually have to represent what they purport to stand for.

    Umm, no, we live in a different world now. Currencies, like gold, are now electronic and have no basis in reality. Gold is in a past world that no longer exists. Gold is in the “real estate and housing always goes up” world of the 20th century. Gold is useless in the 21st century.
    Welles is right on this: The monetary game’s over – paper has been the new gold for decades. Actually, electrons have replaced both.

    Gold gets dug out of the ground, then we melt it down, dig another hole, bury it again and pay people to stand around guarding it. It has no utility. Anyone watching from Mars would be scratching their head.” -Warren Buffett

    In a Fortune article earlier this year, Buffett cited gold’s limited industrial demand and placed it in a category of assets that “will remain lifeless forever.”
    Charlie Munger said in a recent interview that, “Gold is a great thing to sew onto your garments if you’re a Jewish family in Vienna in 1939, but civilized people don’t buy gold, they invest in productive businesses.”
    Buffett said: “Today the world’s gold stock is about 170,000 metric tons. If all of this gold were melded together, it would form a cube of about 68 feet per side. (Picture it fitting comfortably within a baseball infield.) At $1,750 per ounce — gold’s price as I write this — its value would be about $9.6 trillion. Call this cube pile A.”
    Buffett then compared pile A to another pile. “Let’s now create a pile B costing an equal amount. For that, we could buy all U.S. cropland (400 million acres with output of about $200 billion annually), plus 16 Exxon Mobils (the world’s most profitable company, one earning more than $40 billion annually). After these purchases, we would have about $1 trillion left over for walking-around money (no sense feeling strapped after this buying binge). Can you imagine an investor with $9.6 trillion selecting pile A over pile B?”

  136. asoka. June 5, 2012 at 2:22 am #

    CORRECTION
    Currencies are now electronic and, like gold, have no basis in reality.

  137. ak June 5, 2012 at 3:48 am #

    “You weren’t supposed to find out.”
    Nice call, Pravda, JB — I walked out on the Matrix, and I have a BSCS.
    Ozone, Vlad: check out the 13th Floor (1999)
    And, yes. I, too, think Ašoka is a program
    🙁

  138. BeingThere June 5, 2012 at 7:53 am #

    Somebody said on this blog that the bankers don’t cost the taxpayers anything—WHAAAA?
    What planet do you live on?
    What’s been going on since 2008?
    Why do we call this system corporate communism–or inverted communism starting with TARP?
    They privitize their gains and socialize their losses and we are paying dearly for it.More than for war.
    They only cost us globally $30trillion–but who’s counting?
    QE3 is on it’s way–cuz it’s the only option our global banking leadership has to offer.
    As I said earlier this week. The banks borrow at 0% from the fed and charge us a larger interest to borrow.
    And what’s this for?—Geitner told the Europeans that the US bankers don’t want to pay one red penny for any of this—They must make their huge bonuses—Why?
    They are so talented, that’s why!

  139. ozone June 5, 2012 at 8:11 am #

    Thanks Lenny and ak,
    I do like my entertainment a bit on the surreal side.

  140. BeingThere June 5, 2012 at 8:24 am #

    Blowback time?
    I just got my gold prices newsletter and guess what they just said:
    [Coxe shocked KWN by saying that Europe is actively working to introduce gold backed bonds. He said,
    “They would have the security of gold.” Coxe stated we could see this take place “within the next three months … because this crisis is developing so fast.” Coxe also discussed the possibility of an emergency Fed meeting, but first, here is what Coxe had to say about the spectacular gold rally which took place on Friday: “First of all, a rally like this, you know a huge amount of it is short covering. The short positions had been building up on this. We were having one of the highest short positions on the gold futures that we’ve seen in a long time.”
    Let’s see what happens to the fiat currency and all them instruments of financial destruction.

  141. ozone June 5, 2012 at 8:35 am #

    BT,
    Is gold as “overleveraged” as other commodities are (in dancing-electron contracts, or bullion vs. promises)?
    I know this is quite another thing from holding “positions/bets” on it, I’m just curious is all.

  142. Widespreadpanic7 June 5, 2012 at 8:53 am #

    Hey Ibendet, you’re on scene down there in NYC … Mayor Bloomberg proposes to limit access to Big Gulp sodas for all the plebes in Queens and the Bronx this summer … do you know if his authority extends out to the Hamptons and if the ban includes Champaigne and Grey Goose Gin consumed by the bucketful by his billionaire friends out there during party season (which begins shortly)? Or is is just cold soft drinks sold at bodegas?
    –WSP7

  143. BeingThere June 5, 2012 at 8:53 am #

    Good question O.
    Like everything else it’s over-hyped, but it has intrinsic value, so it is an option that the world could embrace once again.
    After all is said and done about the virtual monetary system of no real value, but what they say it is, it could be a way of bringing the global system back in balance—it could even be the end of globalism–one can only hope.
    Not good for the US as we are living in it now, but could be the reset button.
    Maybe we have to face the music, no pain not gain.

  144. BeingThere June 5, 2012 at 8:54 am #

    no gain

  145. BeingThere June 5, 2012 at 8:56 am #

    Widespread–
    Bloomberg figures you can’t get obese on vodka–or can you? You could ruin your liver, that costs us too, but who’s counting?

  146. asoka. June 5, 2012 at 9:17 am #

    Mayor Bloomberg proposes to limit access to Big Gulp sodas…
    —————————
    This is false. Bloomberg is not limiting freedom… people can drink as much soda as they want. He just wants to limit portion size to 20 ounce cups. It is a brilliant PR public health move.
    Bloomberg is not limiting personal freedom… You are free to drink as many 20 ounce sodas as you want.
    If you don’t have anything better to do, WSP7, at least stop telling lies.

  147. Widespreadpanic7 June 5, 2012 at 10:50 am #

    Asoka, will you be at ‘The Hamptons’ this season? Or are you headed to your unnamed but tropical bunker in ‘Latin America’?
    –WSP7

  148. asoka. June 5, 2012 at 11:12 am #

    Some people will finish a 40 oz. soda if it’s in hand, but will not be bothered to go back for a refill of a 20 oz. cup . Lower diabetes rate means lower public health costs for taxpayers.
    Hats off to Bloomberg!

  149. Ogier de Beauseant June 5, 2012 at 11:39 am #

    Back in the good old days a Coca Cola was about 6oz or 8 at most. A hamburger has a meat patty, lettuce and tomato. There was a soda called Hippo that was 12 oz. Now the marketing factor mandates huge bottles and the hamburger has become a belly buster as well as a threat to the national health. If we had a WW2 conscription we would be out of luck with so few in condition to fight. Don’t know if this can be reversed by law but the anti-smoking campaign has also contributed to the fatty factor in our society as smoking increases metabolism I think or maybe it kills appetite.

  150. BeingThere June 5, 2012 at 12:01 pm #

    Choose your weapon!

  151. Mack184 June 5, 2012 at 12:11 pm #

    Oh yes, I certainly do. The books of Daniel, Revelation, the Gospels and Paul’s letters all tell us that there will be signs and mileposts to warn us along the way. There is no question that God is giving us warnings that the sorts of shocks and disasters that we are all concerned about are coming our way. But they will only happen in God’s time and not in man’s time. Things will happen when God chooses for them to happen. However, God gives us warnings, instruction and wisdom through people whom he has given the gift of prophecy. In my opinion, JHK has the ability to be CORRECT in his predictions, if he seeks out God and his wisdom and asks God to bless his work. Otherwise he will continue to put out the same predictions over and over without any real accuracy. Don’t be mistaken, the types of things Jim has been talking about are all going to come to pass, but ONLY in God’s time, not in Jim’s or collectively in man’s time. We cannot avoid it. But we can be prepared for it. Jesus himself said that ONLY God knows the date and the hour. Not the angels, and not even Jesus himself knows the time. But God empowers those to whom he gives the gift of prophecy and to those who seek him and accept his direction and his gift of salvation through his son Jesus Christ. Yes, the signs, shocks and warnings are playing out in front of us. If we seek God and pray for his peace and wisdom, we will be ready. If not, we will be in for the biggest shock of all. God’s blessings to you all.

  152. Michigan Native June 5, 2012 at 12:35 pm #

    The school of denial and false assurances at its best. I frequently see this as a healthcare provider when people are diagnosed with some form of terminal illness (usually cancer). People want to believe they will live forever, that the joyride will never end, that this or that magic cure will step in and save them. When they realize that their condition is still terminal, they tend to “buy time” (bargaining) and then when they deteriorate and feel so ill, some level of acceptance. Sadly, many hold out hope until teeir last breath.
    I see a similar pattern of denial with peak oil, collapse, and deindustrialization. “Natural gas” will save us, after all, “there is a (temporary) glut”…but it is located near oil deposits and tends to deplete rapidly and without warning, those who have done their homework remind the wishful thinkers…..”well maybe buy us time until we can build billions of windfarms and solar panels overnight”. When pigs fly.
    I have no doubts that most people as a whole will cling to the endless growth/endless abundant and cheap energy/all else fails, technology will save us forms of denial and wishful thinking, and that Mitt Romney will take off right where Bush and Obama left off in terms of military interventionism to “defend our democracy” (that is no longer any more hilarious that “humanitarian missions” and in fact when those resources are squandered in what will prove to be a totally futile act of a dying empire and if WWIII is not outright triggered, will result in a colossal net energy loss just like Iraq and more wasted time and energy to try to mitigate the inevitable and switch to renewable sources of energy, the flagwaving national chauvanists and their chant of “USA,USA” will be silenced as their lights go dim and the food disappears off their tables or rots in their once useful refrigerators)
    I suppose its the same primitive level of thinking that the present human form has exhibited that lead to other forms of self destruction, including urbanization,car culture, consuming beyond our means and being lulled into some sense of endless growth,that nature is/was there merely for our benefit when in fact we were supposed to live in balance and harmony with her.
    The insanity continues. My 45 mile commute to work is glutted with work crews wasting precious time, energy, and resources repairing roads and bridges that few, if any cars or trucks will be travelling on. In fact, the slopes along stretches of I-696 have been landscaped with nice shrubs and flowering trees that have to be occasionally watered when there are too many days without rain. The irony of it all. Of course, the ubiquitous presence of under cover cops, the survelliance cameras that set up years ago, in their new found preoccupation of pulling anyone and everyone they can over and ticketing them for 2 miles over the limit, having a nick in their windshield, not having their seat belt on, or whatever else they can. The roadside signs are sounding more like Big Brother “click it or ticket” as they try to fine, fee, ticket, tax, penalize, or otherwise steal money from anyone and everyone they can in some vain, futile, and undignified effort to keep the chronically broke levels of government afloat from what will prove to be an ever eroding tax base. Maybe the end of car culture will put these bastards out of business, but then I am sure they will have bicycle tire inspections, sandal/walking shoe inspections, fine people a year’s slave wage if their driveway is wet after a rain storm, etc
    This inability of so many to grasp their ears firmly and pull their heads out of their asses will result in the worst case scenario. The US in particular is especially going to get blind sided, with their denial and the party that they threw when they built the spawling suburbs and the interstate freeway system and a car culture comes to a crash almost overnight. The retirement system is doomed to fail, the death of the auto industry all but a foregone conclusion,healthcare is already a disaster and will collapse, when austerity programs are slashed, race riots, food riots, gang warfare, curbside justice, people may try to fight the government, but americans are lazy cowards and most will sit back and allow Uncle Sam to outdo Uncle Joe as the NDAA kicks into high gear, martial law is imposed, dissenters with any following round up and executed or sent to one of those Halliburton “FEMA” camps. The 12,700 armored vehicles and the 450,000,000 rounds of hollow point bullets will be put to use to suppress the masses.
    Those who may be still working will need military escorts, and if they are denied food, still have to pay rent or mortgage, or are denied access to healthcare will get very pissed off if other people who chose not to work or act irresponsibly get these things for free, as is happening with increasing intensity now.
    In sum, a great day of reckoning and alot of blood in the streets, a decrease in quality of life as well as life expectancy, not unlike what happened in the former USSR. We are not nearly as prepared for collapse/adversity as they were (read Dmitry Orlov’s firtshand account and his brilliant insights). The more we deny it, the harder it will be. The more we try to prop these things up that were doomed to fail, the further and harder they have to fall. That sucks, but it is reality.

  153. Vlad Krandz June 5, 2012 at 1:05 pm #

    Evil Unspeakable: in the War against the White Race, they are focusing on the Children, trying to get them to hate themselves.
    http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/06/evil-under-the-mask-of-love/#more-27413

  154. SNAFU June 5, 2012 at 1:10 pm #

    Howdy Beingthere, Per your comment clip: “Somebody said on this blog that the bankers don’t cost the taxpayers anything—WHAAAA?
    What planet do you live on?
    What’s been going on since 2008?”
    I agree with your contention with a small caveat the concept of governments borrowing money from bankers and then propping them up likely can be traced back to a bit before 2008 to King William, of England, in 1694.
    For all of the armchair and degree holding economists I point you toward a youtube speech by a 12 year old Canadian young lady who succinctly describes one of the least understood and expounded upon, mechanisms by which the 1% fill their pockets by emptying those of the 99% and a simple yet astoundingly effective method to reverse it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx5Sc3vWefE&feature=youtu.be
    Not likely to affect the final outcome for homo sapiens; but, it might drag some of the 1% back into the 99% fold prior to TSHTF.
    SNAFU

  155. Vlad Krandz June 5, 2012 at 1:16 pm #

    Zimmerman back in jail for not disclosing that he had recieved 130,000 dollars for his defence. But perhaps he suspected the Goverment was going to take that money for “bail”. It’s not enough that his parents and his wife’s parents had put their houses up for mortgage to make the bail as it was. The Feds are famous for such tactics. Why should a hate criminal like Zimmerman, one who has been marked for destruction by Holder, have the right to any kind of real defence?
    Needless to say, Asoka defends such things and calls it Justice – as long as Blacks are favored that is.

  156. Vlad Krandz June 5, 2012 at 1:24 pm #

    The Elite seem to have too much control over gold and silver – else they’d already be soaring. The Master Minds of White Nationalism seem to be moving towards some form of Social Credit as Ezra Pound endorsed. This is sharp contrast to “Conservatives” who lack the flexibility to meet the dangers of the day. Even real ones like Ron Paul on a fiscal level at least.

  157. asoka. June 5, 2012 at 1:27 pm #

    TESTIMONY OF BIG GOVERNMENT EFFECTIVENESS:

    the NDAA kicks into high gear, martial law is imposed, dissenters with any following round up and executed or sent to one of those Halliburton “FEMA” camps. The 12,700 armored vehicles and the 450,000,000 rounds of hollow point bullets will be put to use to suppress the masses.

    None of this USA post-collapse chaos will affect many people in the world, because they have been aware of what’s coming since the 1972 Club of Rome Limits to Growth report, and they now have a plan B. The USA will be hardest hit and many have already left the USA. Welles and DeeJones and yours truly have already spoken of rational healthy alternatives in parts of the world that will get along fine after the collapse… with splendid weather, slim, beautiful, great, and knowledgeable people, rich soil, and no need for petroleum to live well. People who continue to deny that escape is possible do so at their own risk.
    Post-collapse I will be happy when the energy runs out and the military machine grinds to a halt. The “all-volunteer” army are not really volunteers. They are paid mercenaries who are only willing to kill because they are getting benefits (education, housing, medicine, job training, etc.) for themselves and for their families. The 99% will not stay in the military when it becomes apparent they will not be paid, when they realize there will not be any benefits due to societal collapse. The mass defections will mean the death of the military. See, I can engage in fantasy writing, too, and it has just as much logic and evidence as yours does!

  158. Vlad Krandz June 5, 2012 at 1:30 pm #

    Zionist Christians cop out and imagine they will be raptured out and not have to face the King of the World in his power. Not have to make the decison: accept the mark or be tortured to death. They’d rather let the Jews face the pain and have the glory. All of this in denial of scripture that says the Church will have to face these things.
    But Zionist Christians worship Jews not Christ. And ignore his warning to “Beware the Leaven of the Pharisees (Orthodox Jews) and Saudacees (Liberal Jews).

  159. asoka. June 5, 2012 at 1:31 pm #

    Needless to say, Asoka defends such things and calls it Justice – as long as Blacks are favored that is.
    Splash! Splash! Sorry, I just can’t seem to rise to the bait.

  160. Rhino June 5, 2012 at 2:34 pm #

    What would Asoka have done if he’d been in the shoes of young Soviet men in the 1940s?
    Asoka’s answer:
    “…if I did find myself in that situation I would not engage in any kind of violent self-defense. I would not kill another human being. From my perspective the more honorable thing to do is to die.”
    But Asoka, you do realize, do you not, that your standing aside would condemn to death women and children relying on you to defend them? It’s not just YOU that would die.
    Asoka further says: “My life has been saved several times by creative, spontaneous and nonviolent response.”
    OK well Neville Chamberlain tried the route of non violent negotiation and reason and diplomacy. And Nazi Germany ate Austria and Czechoslovaokia and Poland. And according to the numbers I’ve seen such an enlightened and noble approach by by the wise and experienced Chamberlain ended by costing 20 to 25% of the population of Poland their lives. Disproportionately unarmed citizens of course and naturally the most defenceless of all, women and children.
    Asoka says: “Peace does not happen because you kill enemies”
    I beg to differ. Yes it does. Germany and Japan have both been very peaceful countries since their defeat in WW2.
    Also noted that you declined to repeat your answer to the question as to what you would have done in Harry Truman’s shoes. So, for the time being, let’s just pretend/say you already did address the issue and you’re just tired of answering it.

  161. asoka. June 5, 2012 at 2:43 pm #

    But Asoka, you do realize, do you not, that your standing aside would condemn to death women and children relying on you to defend them?
    This is one of the stupidest things I have read on CFN. Once again, imagining, supposing, and then judging (“would condemn to death”) based on your supposition. Woulda, shoulda, coulda… all hypothetical, all subjunctive. The subjunctive is used to express various states of unreality. There you go again, reifying.
    Nobody knows what will happen in the future.
    Nobody can control what others will do and you are NOT responsible for their actions, or for what you THINK might happen if you don’t kill them.
    All you are responsible for is your own action. You would kill. I would not. Beyond that nothing can be said with certainty.

  162. Rhino June 5, 2012 at 2:50 pm #

    Angela Merkel made a funny over the weekend: something about constructing a European fiscal union. – JHK
    Fiscal union may be something that Merkel may agree to. But when the good German townspeople realize the cost to them ie that their hard earned Euros are going south to fund disastrously corrupt and gangster infested regimes and their tax evading citizenry there’s going to be trouble.
    Peace may have reigned since 1945 and the tall foreheads in the Euro elite may be convinced that their way is THE way but they are outnumbered by the masses in the streets and town squares that would beg to differ.
    I really don’t think that the German worker feels he owes a living to the Italian who, in the German’s estimation, spends his afternoon sleeping and or boinking his mistress. All the while of course the German is at his cubicle/shop/workbench.
    Woe betide the German political elite that thinks it can foist such a scheme. As for the statistics that purport to show that Greeks and Italians work immense hours per week I have this to say: ha ha ha ha ha ha.

  163. Rhino June 5, 2012 at 3:02 pm #

    Pull your head out of your ass. Somewhere between 20 to 30 million Soviets died in WW2 because of the tender mercies of the Nazi military and its units special designated to deal with the Jewish question ie by way of mass killing. No need to speculate what “might” have happened. As I said, our family lost people to the fascist butchers. And I know other families that went through the same thing. The German army left the USSR a slaughterhouse.
    But in the end, had you been a Soviet “conscientious objector” and explicitly refused to fight, you would not likely have gotten anywhere close to a German panzer unit. Why? Because the Soviet military would have blown you full of holes themselves.

  164. jerry June 5, 2012 at 3:12 pm #

    A possible new arrival of the Regressive Party’s Neo-fascists will be a pleasant surprise for the now suffering Teabaggers living all across the nation, living on the edge of economic survival, as they watch the power of the Regressive Hand come down on them.
    No more unemployment compensation; no more health care reform allowing for their kids to be on their plan until the age of 26; no more allowance for pre-existing conditions to all those health impaired TeaBagging numbnuts casting their vote for the predator party of Romney, McConnell, Walker, Koch Bros, and the rest of the Brownshirts following corporate elite marching orders. No more regulation; no more financial reform; unencumbered purchasing of government, and government programs, and political legislation.
    If Romney gets elected, the next four years for the Numbnuts Society will be damaging. Maybe they will be loving the pain. “Get Government out of my Medicare”.
    “End the federal spending”–a sign of stupidity when in reality Obama has spent less than each of the Republican Presidents over the last 30 years.
    Not only is American the fattest nation in the world, but it must be the dumbest nation among the industrialized countries. My neighbors have proven it!
    http://eye-on-washington.blogspot.com

  165. asoka. June 5, 2012 at 3:32 pm #

    to deal with the Jewish question ie by way of mass killing.
    You have already said you are OK with mass killing, so stop your complaining.
    As I said, our family lost people to the fascist butchers.
    So, violent resistance was unable to defend your family? I thought violence was necessary, the cat’s meow, best thing since sliced bread.
    By the way, Rhino, 30,000 children died of hunger yesterday. Children you CONDEMNED TO DEATH by your inaction. How does it feel to be a baby killer?
    You idolize violence, thinking violence is the answer to human problems. You are easily led. You are gullible… in a way you are an innocent who imagines enemies and then thinks striking out at an enemy is an appropriate response. I feel sorry for you.

  166. asoka. June 5, 2012 at 3:41 pm #

    Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
    This world in arms in not spending money alone.
    It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.
    The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.
    It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population.
    It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals.
    It is some 50 miles of concrete highway.
    We pay for a single fighter with a half million bushels of wheat.
    We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.
    This, I repeat, is the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking.
    This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.

    — Address by President Dwight D. Eisenhower “The Chance for Peace” delivered before the American Society of Newspaper Editors, April 16,1953

  167. asoka. June 5, 2012 at 4:06 pm #

    CORRECTION
    This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.

  168. Drew Keeling June 5, 2012 at 4:08 pm #

    Summer in Tampa and Charlotte with normal temperatures in the 90s, doesn’t sound like great fun for outdoor occupying. Besides, when was the last time anything significant happened at a national political convention?

  169. BeingThere June 5, 2012 at 4:09 pm #

    Thanks for the link.
    Yeah, the banksters and economists love to deceive everyone how complicated the system is and only they, understand the global sausage making machine.
    Oh, don’t give yourself a headache trying to figure this out. Don’t forget it took one good accountant to figure out the Madoff was a fraud. He just looked at the trajectory of ongoing growth of the fund in relation to what was going on in the stock market and knew it couldn’t be.
    Make it all nice and opaque but talk about transparency.
    Love that a 12 yr. old girl explains the basics to ya.

  170. asoka. June 5, 2012 at 4:33 pm #

    Victoria Grant was speaking of Canada. The U.S. Constitution (Article 1, Section 8) says:
    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes … To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures…
    I suppose that means Congress could decide to issue coins worth one trillion dollar, and with a few dozen of them, pay off the national debt.
    Incidentally, there is only one public state bank in the USA… in North Dakota. In a public bank there are no billion dollar banker bonuses, no high paid bank executives, and no shareholders who profit from the bank. It is run by bankers and is publicly governed.
    It is also interesting to note that Alaska has roughly the same population as North Dakota and produces nearly twice as much oil, yet unemployment in Alaska is running at 7.7 percent, about twice the rate of North Dakota’s low unemployment rate. A public bank has been of great benefit to North Dakota.

  171. asoka. June 5, 2012 at 4:35 pm #

    CORRECTION
    … coins worth one trillion dollars each, and with a few dozen of them, pay off the national debt.

  172. asoka. June 5, 2012 at 4:38 pm #

    CORRECTION TO UPDATE TO 2012 FIGURES
    Unemployment rates
    6.9% … Alaska (with no state bank)
    3.0% … North Dakota (with a state bank)

  173. messianicdruid June 5, 2012 at 4:41 pm #

    “But Zionist Christians worship Jews not Christ. And ignore his warning to “Beware the Leaven of the Pharisees (Orthodox Jews) and Saudacees (Liberal Jews).”
    The Leaven of Herod (half-Edomite forced convert, ie: an unbeliever) also wreaks havoc upon the church.

  174. asoka. June 5, 2012 at 4:45 pm #

    The Republican War on Women continued today.
    The Senate Republicans have just blocked a bill that calls for equal pay in the workplace.
    How do Republicans think they are going to win in November by waging a War on Women?

  175. asoka. June 5, 2012 at 4:48 pm #

    wreaks havoc upon the church
    The church is the body of Christ and Christ’s victory over death is a guarantee for all believers. If you are a true believer, there is no havoc, only eternal life.

  176. messianicdruid June 5, 2012 at 5:12 pm #

    “If you are a true believer, there is no havoc, only eternal life.”
    The point was concerning the echo of Herod in our time and its influence. No claims about eternity or “eternal life” were made.
    http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/coldfusion/Chapter.cfm?CID=25

  177. asoka. June 5, 2012 at 5:35 pm #

    The point was concerning the echo of Herod in our time and its influence …
    Exactly, and my point is such an echo is insignificant when compared to the eternal life that Christ the Redeemer guarantees true believers.
    It is precisely the victory of eternal life that provides perspective on “the echo of Herod in our time and its influence.” Minimizes the echo to the point of making it unremarkable, which is an argument that true Christians have no place commenting on CFN.

  178. asoka. June 5, 2012 at 5:46 pm #

    Arctic CO2 levels have hit 400 ppm, which is a concentration not seen in the last 800,000 years.
    So much for the conservative argument, the argument of anti-global warming folks, that global warming geologic cycles in the 100,000 year range make global warming “normal” or that global warming is “natural” not man-made.
    It’s AGW … anthropogenic global warming, pure and simple, and it ain’t no “theory.”
    We are raising global temperatures, not nature.

  179. xport June 5, 2012 at 5:47 pm #

    Hello Bill,
    Your thoughtful review of this great presentation gives us all material for serious consideration.
    When Wendell Berry speaks out about something he does so with great humanity and firm conviction, grounded in the earth itself. He speaks truth, and he speaks with wisdom. Here is the link to the event: http://events.tvworldwide.com/Events/NEH2012JeffersonLecture.aspx?VID=events/neh/120423_NEH_Jefferson_Lecture_KennedyCtr.flv&Cap=events/neh/120423_NEH_Jefferson_Lecture_KennedyCtr.xml
    Thank you for alerting us to this important statement.

  180. asoka. June 5, 2012 at 6:41 pm #

    Actually, a wormhole is theoretical. There is no observational evidence for wormholes, which makes it the perfect CFN metaphor.
    Opinions galore, little fact.
    Interpretations galore, little hard evidence.
    Doom and gloom predictions that no one can substantiate. Orlov cannot help because the historical circumstances, the social fabric, technological prowess, political structures, etc. are very different in the current USA and the former USSR.

  181. asoka. June 5, 2012 at 6:58 pm #

    The beautiful, rare astronomy of the Venus transit we are now witnessing is evidence of an indescribably wondrous cosmos providing us on Earth with an exceptional, perfectly timed, and necessary infusion of Love.
    It is almost as if the Cosmos is in a conspiracy with Asoka. The Cosmos knows there is no limit to how many people we can love. No limit. Thank you, Venus!

  182. asoka. June 5, 2012 at 7:01 pm #

    (Reuters) – A magnitude 6.1 earthquake struck 120 miles southeast of Mito off Japan’s main Honshu island at 1931 GMT on Tuesday, the U.S. Geological Survey reported, while whistling past the nuclear graveyard.

  183. xport June 5, 2012 at 7:20 pm #

    Hickory, dickory, dock, the mouse ran up the clock.
    You know the rest of the story. Time to get on with the repair jobs. Same scenario with the egg man, all the Kings horses and all the Kings Men could not put him back together again. So you move on and find a way to survive. It has all been done before. Be strong, show your kids the way. Love your neighbor as yourself. True wealth is inner freedom.

  184. barneysgifts June 5, 2012 at 7:21 pm #

    What Scripture are you referring to that says the Church will have to experience the Great Tribulation? Scripture seems to indicate that Christians will raptured before the Tribulation.

  185. barneysgifts June 5, 2012 at 7:28 pm #

    Why do you think this bill was defeated? Could it be more than Republicans’ hatred for women? Could it have something to do with the Constitution?
    From a previous post, why do you believe Christians shouldn’t comment here?

  186. Tark June 5, 2012 at 7:39 pm #

    “The Cosmos knows there is no limit to how many people we can love”.
    Or in other words: ‘Where all da white womens at’?

  187. Tark June 5, 2012 at 7:54 pm #

    Where’s Charlie Trots? He can snap his neck and love him at the same time. A grope, tickle, and snap.!.

  188. asoka. June 5, 2012 at 8:09 pm #

    why do you believe Christians shouldn’t comment here?
    Because, as MD says, this blog is concerned with the echo of Herod and its influence … which are mere trivia when compared to the magnificence of Christian salvation and everlasting life with the Lord God. Why would a true Christian, a Christian full of the joyful good news who embodies the peace that passeth understanding, be in the least bit concerned about the bitter whining that passes for intelligent commentary on CFN?

  189. xport June 5, 2012 at 8:31 pm #

    So the stage is set for the royal farce. You can have your choice of dumb or dumber, the puppet show will continue. It seems like George Carlin had the proper approach, abstain from the freak show. I like what Orlov says, “do not encourage them”.
    Dmitri has a splendid blog post this week, he sums it up very nicely: http://cluborlov.com/

  190. asoka. June 5, 2012 at 8:38 pm #

    Yeah, it dovetails nicely with the last seven years I have been reading JHK’s predictions. Orlov is just as bad. Let’s help out CFN readers with the first sentence of Orlov’s blog entry:
    I have been predicting collapse for over five years now. My prediction is that the USA will collapse financially, economically and politically within the foreseeable future… and this hasn’t happened yet.
    Ain’t. Gonna. Happen.
    There will be no sudden collapse. There will be a long decline. The USA is very different from the former USSR.

  191. xport June 5, 2012 at 8:55 pm #

    asoka, you may be correct, things have a way of dragging on to the bitter end. Who knows, everything may work out for the best of all possible worlds. If we find ourselves in the middle of the cesspool, keep swimming. If it all comes down to do or die, sign on with the survivors, be part of the gang, kill or be killed.

  192. Michigan Native June 5, 2012 at 9:04 pm #

    Equal pay in a work place where there will be few, if any jobs, other than growing food and the new currency will be food, water, and in the case of many women, prostitution. Drugs will fall somewhere in between. Some still worry about whether a democrat or a repug gets elected. Some people live and learn. It would appear Asoka just lives, but hopefully not infesting the gene pool should the lifeguard forget to chlorinate it when he sneaks in and tries to cast defective ripples. On a happier note, they say competition drives down prices, so there will be some advantages to collapse, guys. Just stockpile those cartons of cigarettes and pints of vodka while they are still cheap, (and jars of cheeze whiz as the blocks of cheese will disappear for the welfare rats) find ways to stash them in places well dispersed and only where you know to get them, and you will have the ladies lined up eager to eat the lint off your carpet practically for free. Now that’s my idea of equality. Otherwise, shut the fuck up and cook the raw meat that I drag home everyday. I guess there are some advantages to collapse other than the collapse of the military and a return to minimal, local government with citizen patrols instead of traffic enforcement cops and the end of the fed, the IRS, and perhaps best of all, the end of politicians and lawyers. People will find their true place in the world. Asoka will then learn that his sole purpose in life was to serve as a warning to others. A lot of reality tossed in with a little humor for a change for those with hopelessly trapped minds.

  193. xport June 5, 2012 at 9:06 pm #

    The USA has been a unique experiment in world politics, sociology, psychology and economics.
    It was born of conquest, exploration and exploitation. The last frontier of the true capitalist and the laboratory of the future.
    It will not go gently into that good night.
    Kicking and screaming all the way. Hang on, it will be a bumpy ride. Enjoy the show.

  194. anti soak June 5, 2012 at 9:17 pm #

    OK

  195. anti soak June 5, 2012 at 9:17 pm #

    Yes, heres the [final?next] chapter…
    President Obama to Grant Amnesty to Millions of Illegal
    Aliens, Bypassing Congress Yet Again.
    The Obama Administration is attempting to circumvent Congress and federal law by granting an
    Executive Branch “amnesty” through a DHS policy change which could take effect as early as June. The
    U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) division under the Department of Homeland Security
    (DHS) is proposing a “provisional waiver for unlawful presence.”
    In the March 30, 2012 press release, USCIS Proposes Process Change for Certain Waivers of
    Inadmissibility, USCIS Director Alejandro Mayorkas stated,
    “The law is designed to avoid extreme hardship to U.S. citizens, which is precisely what this
    proposed rule will more effectively achieve.”
    This isn’t a “law,” it’s the Obama Administration circumventing Congress and “the supreme law
    of the land” once again. Considering that since Sept. 11, 2001, nearly 100,000 Americans have
    died at the hands of illegal alien invaders, perhaps tracking the crimes committed against U.S.
    citizens by foreign nationals might be a better way to “avoid extreme hardship to U.S. citizens.”
    Article IV, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution states:
    “The United States shall guarantee to every State a Republican Form of Government,
    and shall protect each of them against Invasion;” (Emphasis added.)
    “Shall protect” means “must protect.”
    In the April 2, 2012 San Francisco Examiner article, Rick Oltman who works with both the Tea
    Party Immigration Coalition and FIRE Coalition writes,
    “Certainly taking criminal aliens off the streets, and there are a lot of them, is a good thing. But,
    it is a no-brainer. It is something that should be happening every day, all the time and doesn’t
    even warrant an attaboy, because it is the federal policy of non-apprehension that has resulted
    in allowing over 30 million illegal aliens to enter our country over the past twenty-five years.
    Included in that number are millions of violent felons, child molesters, drunk drivers (Obama’s
    Uncle being one) drug dealers, thieves and murderers.”
    (Used by permission, read entire article here: “A deceitful diversion about immigration enforcement,”)
    According to Joe Guzzardi, in a 2005 research article published at V-DARE, there are
    approximately “500,000 Anchor Babies A Year” born in the United States to parents who are
    not U.S. citizens. The misapplication of the 14
    th
    Amendment’s citizenship clause means
    Americans will eventually become a minority in the United States.Amnesty-2012 can be downloaded here: http://firecoalition.com/docs/Amnesty-2012.pdf

  196. xport June 5, 2012 at 9:25 pm #

    Hey Soak,
    Relax, there are worse things to worry about. Think of every person that you encounter as a potential friend. Life will seem better then.
    Enjoy every day, it could be your last one.

  197. messianicdruid June 5, 2012 at 9:38 pm #

    “Why would a true Christian…be in the least bit concerned about the bitter whining that passes for intelligent commentary on CFN?”
    A little leaven, leaventh the whole lump.
    “And when they came to Marah, they could not drink of the waters of Marah for they were bitter: therefore the name of it was called Marah. And the people murmured against Moses, saying, What shall we drink? And he cried unto the Lord, and the Lord showed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet.”—Exodus 15:23-25.
    Any idea what “the tree” represents?

  198. xport June 5, 2012 at 9:38 pm #

    pure poetry for the age of Aquarius. Let your love light shine.

  199. Vlad Krandz June 5, 2012 at 9:50 pm #

    Good cast of characters at this year Bilderberger demonstration. It becoming the thing to do. Oath Keepers also – a very good thing indeed. This group is one of the most important of all. The police and the military must come over to the People’s side in force once the TSHTF.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-news-blog/2012/jun/03/bilderberg-2012-real-men-oligarchs

  200. Vlad Krandz June 5, 2012 at 9:53 pm #

    Also think of the diseases: leprousy, TB, plague -things that we conquered here and kept out at Ellis Island. Amazing how low our standards have fallen. Also something called chagas – incurable.
    Liberals are the Enemies of our Nation just as much or more than these aliens. As Cicero said, the enemy within is the most dangerous.

  201. Just Say No June 5, 2012 at 10:04 pm #

    The repeal of Glass-Steagall was sponsored by three Republicans (Gramm, Leach, and Bliley) and signed into law by Bill Clinton. The banking lobby, which owns both parties, is the primary force blocking the Volker Rule, which is a watered down version of Glass-Steagall. Republicans, who want to get rid of all regulations, are also blocking it.
    Glass-Steagall protected us for nearly 70 years. It took less than a decade after its repeal for greed to bring down the world financial system.

  202. Vlad Krandz June 5, 2012 at 10:04 pm #

    The Tree is the Cross which makes all bitterness sweet.
    In Pagan Systems, the Tree is always the totality of Cosmic Manifestation – with its roots in Heaven so portrayed as upside down to us.
    “The Waters” are often formlessnesss with which the Creator makes order. This is also is Genesis but is played down because the Abrahamic Religions don’t like to emphasize the stages of Creation but only the de novo or out of nothing aspect. They think the stages demphasize the Absolute Nature of God. Also the fundies have trouble with Angels and/or Gods – why can’t God just do everything Himself? Well He could, but maybe He likes to share the glory with his children? Delegation of Authority only increases the Majesty of the Delegator.
    Christ said that his evil, adulterous generation would get no sign but the sign of Johah. What is this?

  203. Vlad Krandz June 5, 2012 at 10:08 pm #

    You’re very slippery. Careful that you don’t slip out of yourself and not be able to find yourself again. Or has that already happened Gollum?

  204. Vlad Krandz June 5, 2012 at 10:17 pm #

    Just ride that painted rainbow pony to the Rainbow Gathering dude. Don’t dip your ponytail into the stew. Keep your beard out of the guacamole. What’s in that stew anyway? The Indians ate meat. The Indians were good. So Meat is good. White Meat too? All meat is good meat if you are hungry. Just don’t eat your own family if you can help it.
    The Age of Aquarius is the Advent of Cthulu. He has awakened from his House in Ryleh beneath the Sea and is on his way. That’s why zomibies became the craze – just a game right? Wrong. Now people are begining to act it out. Just a few right? So far. Wait and see. You can’t believe what’s coming next.

  205. Vlad Krandz June 5, 2012 at 10:25 pm #

    I keep the lights on here. Note the advertising, Jim. This is the real world. People want to know what I have to say.
    The female rate of domestic violence is just as high as the male. Yes Jimmy, they attack men just as often. I know – pop culture spins it. That’s why people come here: to learn. You’ve just learned something, now try to assimilate it.
    Women are afraid to kill though. Not morally adverse to it though (anymore than men), just afraid of the consequences or of failing if they tried to do it. So they get their boyfriends to do it or hire someone.

  206. BeantownBill June 5, 2012 at 10:34 pm #

    I generally agree with your assessments, but I find you are too gloomy and cynical for my taste (nothing personal, MN). The US can go down rapidly, but if that occurs, it will be a Black Swan event, like a suitcase nuke, political assassination, military takeover, etc. These are things we have no power over, and to spend emotional energy being concerned about this stuff is a waste.
    I don’t think running out of oil is going to happen fast; we’re not going to wake up one morning and find that there’s no oil left in the world. The supply of oil will gradually run out and stop, like a faucet that gets more and more clogged up until only a trickle comes out. By that time I fully expect that the US automobile fleet, if still running on gasoline, will be getting much higher mileage than at present, thus delaying the end-time of the auto.
    In reality, automobiles will soon be propelled by new sources of energy. Have you been reading the news about the new type drone that McDonnell-Douglas(?) has created? It’s a relatively big aircraft, much larger than a pick-up truck, powered by fuel cells that allow the drone to stay up four days straight. Now, regardless of the morality of flying drones, it seems that the fuel cells ought to be able to power smaller devices like automobiles, and this is my point about questioning whether or not the end of happy motoring will ever occur.
    By the way, this begs the question of why the military can get hold of this technology, but the public cannot. Hmmm.
    As a science-trained person, I admit to bias concerning the advancement of technology. Maybe being a technophile is not a good thing, but neither is pessimism about us getting out of our current and near-future messes. My way of thinking is to assume the best, but to be on the safe side, prepare for the worst. At least that way I don’t stay up at night worrying.

  207. BeantownBill June 5, 2012 at 10:48 pm #

    I don’t want to learn anything from you, Vlad, as what you have to say is totally irrational. I’d guess many others here feel the same way. You are not universally admired on CFN, Vlad, although a handful of people have indeed come under your sway. Basically, you have nothing (or at best, very little) worthwhile to say.
    The world may go to hell, and if so, there will be the wrong 1% who will identify with what you say, but will never gain enough power to have any real influence in the world, other than to cause a little mischief. What a poor legacy: That civilization must fall in order for you to get your 15 minutes of fame.
    And if things don’t collapse, your philosophy will never even gain a footnote in history. The sands of time will scour away any memory of your creed.

  208. Tark June 5, 2012 at 10:53 pm #

    Believe it or not, Asoka, I believe in what would be thought of as some pretty unconventional things. Some of my beliefs even coincide with, match up to, New Age thinking. This is one reason why I can’t get on board with a sort of race-less, Tan-man One World Mass concept. I believe whites are special.
    To me, belief in whites as a People unto themselves is almost on a spiritual level. In a weird way, I believe there is actually some truth to the mythology that is associated with European whites and their (our) history. But that feeling in whites, that deep, is almost dead.
    There I said it. I’m know it will be picked to death.

  209. BeantownBill June 5, 2012 at 11:03 pm #

    After November, we’ll have the same old same old. As much as JHK opines that there will be disruption during this summer’s conventions, I think the power establishment will do everything in its power to block out wide areas around the convention centers so that the media will focus on just the politics, while on the other side of far-off barriers, little attention will be given to any protestors.
    If anything significent is to happen, protestors can’t run a game plan like 1968 Chicago. They must be creative. I’d look for riots and looting in other parts of the 2 cities; that might get a lot of attention. A bunch of people milling around with placards just isn’t going to work.

  210. Tark June 5, 2012 at 11:05 pm #

    I agree with about half of his philosophy; the half that would make the most impact, and is the least cynical. A reawakening of white racial belief will be all that’s needed. A lot of the clutter surrounding it is pointless, untrue, and should be jettisoned. Re-invigoration of white solidarity only has to be as violent and vicious as other races want to make it.

  211. messianicdruid June 5, 2012 at 11:07 pm #

    “What is this?”
    “The Pharisees asked Jesus for a sign to prove that He was the Messiah. He did not give them the type of sign they desired, but He did give them a prophetic sign that they did not understand. Matthew 12:38-40 says,
    “Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered Him, saying, Teacher, we want to see a sign from You. But He answered and said to them, An evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign; and yet no sign shall be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet; for just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”
    This clearly identifies Jonah as a type of Christ in His death work on the Cross as the Passover Lamb. But it also has reference to Pentecost, where the Holy Spirit began to indwell our flesh. The Holy Spirit is pictured as a dove. Jonah’s name means “dove.” So even as Jonah indwelt the great fish, so also does the Holy Spirit indwell our flesh. Pentecost is only an earnest of the Spirit, which is to be completed under the Feast of Tabernacles at the end of this present age. Under Tabernacles, Paul says we will all be “changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet” (1 Cor. 15:51, 52).
    http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/SecondComing/Chap12.htm
    The Bible does tell us in Gen. 1:14 that the stars (constellations) are “for signs and for seasons, and for days and years.” Furthermore, astrologers were not the ones who named the constellations or the stars. Psalm 147:4 and Isaiah 40:26 tell us that God gave them their names. They were named, in essence, to give us our first Bible. They foretold the birth of Jesus by a Virgin (Virgo), His death on the Cross (Libra), Christ’s conflict with the Serpent (Scorpio), His triumph (Sagittarius), His sufferings (Capricorn), the outpouring of the Spirit (Aquarius), the blessings delayed during the Pentecostal Age (Pisces), the blessings finally given (Aries), the Messiah’s rule (Taurus), the coming Prince (Gemini), His redeemed possessions—church and overcomers (Cancer), and finally the Messiah’s triumph and rule (Leo).

  212. BeantownBill June 5, 2012 at 11:24 pm #

    Try to look at the big picture, Tark. If our civilization advances much more, then it really won’t matter what race you belong to. Many sweeping discoveries will take up our attention, like extended life spans, expansion into space, the wonders (or horrors) of nanotechnology, dealing with the implications of new knowledge, etc.
    Really, in homo sapiens, races evolved as superficial differences in response to differing climates. That’s all race is about. It’s people who try to make races a big deal; nature could give a shit. If you must be satisfied, I’ll grant you that the white race is special. Unfortunately for you, the black race and the yellow race are also special in their own ways.
    Expand your mind, Tark, to encompass the wonders we’re about to uncover, and stop wasting time on matters that will prove inconsequential.

  213. Bustin J June 5, 2012 at 11:36 pm #

    NeoVince said “”Welcome to the Wormhole” makes for an interesting image, but …. A better choice might be the Event Horizon, … the idea of The Singularity…”
    All CFN titles already. They repeat on a bi-annual basis.

  214. Vlad Krandz June 5, 2012 at 11:39 pm #

    See much different: Communinst terror had the strange effect of “preserving” real culture underground. And the fight against oppression created great personalities as Solzhenitsyn obseved. But American Capitalism lets it all hang out – and all is lost. We will not hold it all together as well as they did.

  215. Vlad Krandz June 5, 2012 at 11:50 pm #

    The hard way is often the best – as your Prophets knew. When was the last time you put on sack cloth and ashes as lamented YOUR FUCKING SINS? And not just what someone did to you? When was the last time any Jews did? And the Ten Commandments and the Bible – God used you to give it to the World. But you make a big deal about yourselves as if YOU ARE GOD collectively speaking. The arrogance. The hubris. Have you no shame?
    I am your teacher whether you like it or not. And Whites are special, which is why you have vowed to destroy us. And you are winning. And if you win, then what? Think the dark masses wont think of you all as White too? You need us. We don’t need you. You should repent (turn back) while there are still enough of us to keep it all together.
    Read the Science Fiction novel “Hold Back this Day” by Ward Kendall” – about the struggle of the last White Men to survive. Nothing about Jews in it – just Whites and the Triumphant Tan Man you bizarrely love so much. You said Whites will be remembered? No, their achievments are already being forgotten. And the Jews? Will they be remembered? I think you intend to suvive and help us be forgotten.

  216. Vlad Krandz June 5, 2012 at 11:54 pm #

    Thanks. I’m reading Mathew and that came up without the whole explanation.
    The Astrology reference is really interesting. I’ve always felt the Church as a bit too abrupt in trashing all the old stuff.

  217. Vlad Krandz June 6, 2012 at 12:03 am #

    As Mr Spock said, the beauty of the univese is in its infinite diversity. So Leftists and Jews try to destroy this diversity by blending everyone together – IN THE NAME OF DIVERSITY!!!! And the dumbed down Whites fall for it. The East Asians are sterner stuff, but the New World Order intends to destroy them too in time.
    Meanwhile Permies and Organic Types rave about different varieties of vegtables and heirloom seeds etc. But bring up preserving their own sub race and they will hate you forever. You have done your work very thoroughly. Or are we supposed to believe that Jews owning all the papers, stations, networks etc is all just a coincidence? I’m remeinded of the Ray Bradbury story about a boy whose brain and body were being taken over by an alien who had gotten inside him.
    You began to do things without his consent. Think thoughts not his own. Suddenly he couldn’t see anymore. Or move. Trapped Inside Himself – the triumph of the Alien within was to make HIM the alien within.

  218. Vlad Krandz June 6, 2012 at 12:06 am #

    Be more specific: I might not believe everything I seem to say either.
    Your last sentence is a gem: the implied threat is necessary. No one makes peace with weaklings.

  219. BeantownBill June 6, 2012 at 12:07 am #

    Sorry, Vlad, but I’m not a believer, as you well know. Forget about religions. Ifeel there’s no God, so religions are based on falsehood. You may respectfully disagree, but neither of us will convince the other of our beliefs.

  220. Vlad Krandz June 6, 2012 at 12:11 am #

    Unions crushed in Wisconsin. Scott Walker has humiliated the Liberals and Socialists. The People have spoken: this is what Democracy looks like.
    They brought this on themselves – talking idealism but wanting to suck off the People during hard times. I’m not against some Socialism per se. And Unions played a part against vicious Capitalists. But they have grown as Corrupt as the Democratic Party.

  221. Vlad Krandz June 6, 2012 at 12:13 am #

    You’re using that atheist meme as a way to hide against the rest of my arguments. I see thru you.

  222. BeantownBill June 6, 2012 at 12:13 am #

    I have sinned. I know that, and I don’t need the Bible or a god to tell me that. But we are all only human, and we all sin. All I can do is realize my sins and forgive myself – even if there is a God, we must first forgive ourselves, even before God does. Then I try very hard not to repeat the sin.

  223. BeantownBill June 6, 2012 at 12:23 am #

    No, I’m simply responding to your quote: “When was the last time you put on sack cloth and ashes as lamented YOUR FUCKING SINS?”
    That has a religious connotation, and since I don’t believe in religion, I felt I should respond accordingly. I’m not trying to hide from anything.
    If you were a good Christian, you’d love whites, blacks, women and Jews, all equally. As I understand it, Christ preached love of all humans, and to forgive their sins as well.

  224. Vlad Krandz June 6, 2012 at 12:23 am #

    What-does-democracy-look-like?
    THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE!

  225. anti soak June 6, 2012 at 12:25 am #

    Bill, thats wishful thinking.
    And what if the race goes backward?
    Speaking of backward humanitarian [cough] Soros is concerned for Europe.
    Maybe thats why hes putting 1/3 billion into reshaping it to an open society.
    He put [thailand] under water, way back in the 80s or 90s.
    ‘George Soros warns of three-month window to save euro | This is …
    http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/…/George-Soros-warns-month-window-save...
    1 day ago – The European Union has a three-month window to save itself or face a lost … pursuing flawed policies and always doing too little too late,’ he said. … which in a few years time may make an orderly euro break up possible’

  226. anti soak June 6, 2012 at 12:26 am #

    Certainly in the 100s or 1000s of posts hes posted here hes never attacked the way you have.

  227. Vlad Krandz June 6, 2012 at 12:28 am #

    I’m not sure about that. Some things like murder and rape are pretty unforgiveable by yourself. I wouldn’t trust anyone who could easily forgive themselves of those. Without God, you would need to get forgiveness from the person themselves. And how could you if you had killed them? Or what if the women you raped wouldn’t forgive you?
    Not saying you do such things of course. You want to wipe out our race not hurt individuals.

  228. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 12:39 am #

    Asoka thinks that China’s 5% growth rate is good because it’s a lot more than ours…
    No, Beantown, without comparing to any other economy, the reason I think 5% is good is because the Chinese consciously chose to LOWER it from 7%. Think about that. Would the USA do that? The USA believes more growth is better, the higher percentage is better.
    Because China has CONSCIOUSLY decided that 5% is more SUSTAINABLE, that is the reason I think China’s 5% growth rate is good.
    I am not a proponent of high profits from out-of-control growth. Neither is China. There are some very smart people in the Chinese Communist Party and they are making decisions that would not be made if China was capitalist, as some maintain.

  229. BeantownBill June 6, 2012 at 12:47 am #

    Committing heinous crimes is not easily self-forgivable, true. Maybe 2 or 3 times in my life I dreamed I killed someone. What really stuck with me after the dream was how doomed I felt – like I would get away with the crime, but I would never be right, or be ok. That no matter what good I did from that point on, I could never wipe out the stain of what I had done.

  230. Vlad Krandz June 6, 2012 at 12:47 am #

    The best thing McCain ever said was his joke about Janet Reno being Chelsea Clinton’s father.
    The worst thing was saying that Obmama was a good man and a true American.
    He should stick to dirty jokes – much less harmful than dirty lies.

  231. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 12:49 am #

    For seven years now all I have read about on CFN are event horizons out in the future. (Back in Oct. 2011 E. did say “crunch time is now” about Europe collapsing, but E. was wrong, just as he was wrong about quantitative easing and hyperinflation in 2010)
    Now Soros and anti soak provide us with another:
    The European Union has a three-month window to save itself or face a lost…
    Always, a few days or a few weeks or a few months or a few years away … always just around the corner, close enough to scare us, but far enough that it never happens.
    And so it goes on CFN.

  232. Vlad Krandz June 6, 2012 at 12:51 am #

    Yes, me too. That’s why Catholics have the Sacrament of Confession. The Priest stands in (en Persona Christi) for Christ in a mystical sense.
    I don’t know how murderers live with themselves. Some have said the faces of all the men who they have killed rise up in their inner vision to condemn them. Even soldiers sometimes face this just in the course of doing their duty.

  233. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 12:52 am #

    And MD says “it” will happen by the end of June… but he won’t say what “it” is…

  234. BeantownBill June 6, 2012 at 12:52 am #

    I don’t know how you could know that China did that purposely. Given the closed environment in which the chinese government operates, couldn’t you say it’s just as probable that they wouldn’t admit their economy is vulnerable, and made that up to hide that fact?

  235. Vlad Krandz June 6, 2012 at 12:56 am #

    They abort so many girls. A tremendous yang imbalance has been and is being created. These men need wives – perhaps White Russians in Siberia? Or Black African? In any case, China is on the move, towards being an imperialist colonial state.
    A hard choice, no? They had to lower their population, but the price has been very high in many different ways.

  236. BeantownBill June 6, 2012 at 1:01 am #

    I always thought I could kill during war, especially if it was me or them. It can be pretty tough on me when I believe in no afterlife, so killing in a wartime situation, or in self-defense is something, in theory, I could feel justified in doing. But I wonder. Even if I knew I was justified, afterward could I really live with myself? Or would I have serious emotional issues from then on?

  237. BeantownBill June 6, 2012 at 1:07 am #

    Just because it’s wishful thinking, isn’t it possible that many people could develop that attitude, if they were aware of the wider universe?
    As far as Soros is concerned, I trust his motivations for what he says about as far as I could throw him, but he might be right about the Eurozone. I guess we’ll find out soon enough.

  238. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 1:09 am #

    I answered that question last week. Perhaps you missed it. It has been confirmed from several sources: the Beijing China Daily, the Chinese Communist Party five-year plan, and from economists in the World Bank.
    From my post last week:
    And here is some more evidence to consider: China lowered its growth rate because “there are some overheating in certain sectors,” and “there are some inflation pressure,” the World Bank’s Chief Economist Justin Yifu Lin said, adding that the slowdown is aimed at ensuring smooth economic growth in the long run.
    –Asoka’s post of May 29, 2012 12:01 AM
    You don’t have to take China’s word for it. They said in their five-year plan that they want to change their focus from growth, to slow growth to be more sustainable, and then they did it. You might doubt what the Chinese say. But when their actions speak for themselves and do not contradict their words, then you do have to believe them. Novel concept: communist party bureaucrats who are not lying.

  239. BeantownBill June 6, 2012 at 1:12 am #

    Except for E, no one else has made me mad enough that I would attack so much. What you said before, about me being kind of crusty (or whatever word you used) is true – but only if I’m provoked. Actually, I have a great sense of humor. Weird, but great.

  240. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 1:19 am #

    I have not sensed you as crusty. You always seem very polite, state your positions clearly, and defend them in a civil manner.
    Would that more posters were as optimistic as you have shown yourself to be. You are one of the few posters here who doesn’t have a knee-jerk doomster or conspiratorial interpretation of current events.
    I enjoy the content of your posts and your sense of humor.

  241. BeantownBill June 6, 2012 at 1:26 am #

    I know what you said, but I wonder if you put the cart before the horse?
    Theoretically, I could see a scenario where high-ranking Chinese economists could see a slowdown coming six months down the line. The Chinese government might not want to admit they’ve done something that hasn’t worked out, so they state they want to slow down the economy, and voila! six months later it does slow down. I believe China needs to maintain a very high growth rate to continue to progress because their population is so poor; slowing their economy down purposely doesn’t seem logical – at least to me.
    Also, I don’t believe they really want to slow down, not because they are communists, but because all governments seem corrupt to varying degrees, and I don’t trust them. Do you know of any major power government that has always been honorable and humane? I’m not talking about the people, I’m talking about the government.

  242. anti soak June 6, 2012 at 1:33 am #

    Dimwit, I dont care what Soros predicts. The point is why does he say what he says?

  243. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 1:34 am #

    Do you know of any major power government that has always been honorable and humane?
    How are you defining “major power government”?
    If you mean, superpowers, then no.
    But there are governments that are interested more in the well-being of the citizenry than in perpetuating their own power or getting rich through corrupt practices.
    Even in super-power governments, the majority do not intentionally engage in “inhumane” activity.
    The minority that does engage in egregious behavior often finds itself the target of criminal investigation.
    Corruption unchecked leads to the downfall of governments and most governments are not interested in their own downfall. It’s counterproductive to their own self interests and to the interests of those they represent.

  244. BeantownBill June 6, 2012 at 1:34 am #

    That’s because you have never tried to provoke me, so you see my normal personality. You know I’ve replied harshly to those who have generally said hurtful things. One of my goals is to react to negative posts to me like you do – with equanimity. Although I’ve seen you angry, too. But that’s rare. I’m trying, but I don’t have your level of calmness. I think you understand how difficult keeping your cool is, especially when you know you are dealing with unfair comments.

  245. BeantownBill June 6, 2012 at 1:39 am #

    I would like to reply, but as it’s 1:30 am in boston, I’ve gotten very tired, so I must go. Talk to you later.

  246. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 1:43 am #

    Theoretically, I could see a scenario where high-ranking Chinese economists could see a slowdown coming six months down the line.
    China’s 12th Five-Year Plan (2011-2015) was written over a year ago and submitted to the National People’s Congress (NPC). If you are going to maintain that, somehow, “high-ranking Chinese economists” could see a slowdown coming over a year away, then I would have to say you are entering into conspiracy theory territory or anti-Chinese propaganda territory.
    What the Chinese said they wanted to do in March 2011, they have now done, over a year later.
    I don’t think I am putting the cart before the horse. March 2011 comes before June 2012.
    Why can’t we just accept that Chinese have a better permacultural sense than we do, one that is not capitalist growth oriented? They have proved it by making a plan for slowing down growth and then executing on that plan.

  247. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 2:12 am #

    all governments seem corrupt to varying degrees, and I don’t trust them.
    Maybe I’ve lived in South America too long and become less sensitive to corruption. Some South American countries have rampant corruption AND their governments still do good things for the citizens. There is no contradiction there.
    I remember reading an article in a South American newspaper where one politician was criticizing another for “stealing too much” … As a North American that seemed a strange comment. But that is how it is. Corruption is common and everyone expects it to happen. But even the politicians have a sense of proportion and feel it is unethical to take “too much” off the top of a project. The point is the politicians do develop water projects or electrical projects or health projects that do benefit the citizens AND they do take their cut, usually a modest cut.
    You say all governments seem corrupt to varying degrees and you question if there are governments that are honorable and humane.
    But it’s not an either/or situation … it’s a both/and situation. There are some governments that are both corrupt AND they are humane, as much as that goes against our cultural upbringing.

  248. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 2:36 am #

    THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE!
    Democracy usually doesn’t count on a flood of out of state, secret and corporate special interest money to achieve its goals. Walker had a massive $31 million war chest to just $4 million on the unions side.
    When you are defeated by multinational corporate money and special interests money, you just figure another way. The battle is not over. I think Walker might have gotten a message from the liberals through this experience.

  249. BeingThere June 6, 2012 at 7:40 am #

    I agree that all governments are corrupted in some fashion–it’s human nature. Money and power will always have sway. Big money from around the country wins the day. Why this is allowed in a state election is beyond me.
    But this corruption has an agenda and that’s what’s so bad about it.
    If only the media would do it’s job, people would know that in some states they have privatized their fire department and have people pay monthly on a subscription.
    When someone didn’t pay into it and their house was on fire, the fire department refused to save their home even when offered money. They were there to make sure the fire didn’t spread to surrounding homes.
    This privatized system is where this country is headed and I believe the Republicans are going to have their way.–That’s what happens when people don’t get the information they need to make intelligent choices. They see the little details for each instance, but they don’t get the whole picture.
    Nobody is framing the arguments against this properly. I know I’m a broken record, but someone has to keep saying that the agenda comes right out of the Milton Friedman playbook.
    When the media and the politicians refuse to mention a name there’s a reason, because that’s the foundation of Reaganomics. Most of them have been schooled that way over 35 years.

  250. Michigan Native June 6, 2012 at 9:28 am #

    I have anything but digested anything Dmitry Orlov has said since I read the 5 stages of collapse in late 2008. Sometimes I like to dig out my flame thrower and get a laugh from being an ass, but when I talk about energy issues, I am serious. I am studying the Long Emergency and The Party’s Over, having read them, now taking down notes and doing more and more research and cross referencing notes. A pretty clear picture has emerged, at least for me, and it is not one most want to hear, but there it is.
    To believe that technology will somehow save industrialized societies from failing or empires from collapsing seems to be the standard issue response that anything else that most humans are confronted with that causes them fear.
    If a scientist and engineer like Dmitry Orlov, who is obviously a genius, has chosen to live on an insulated sail boat with a wood burning fireplace and plans to be far out to sea when the shit hits the fan, people should take notice. The man has studied these smooth peak oil decline curves and insists they are a bunch of nonsense.
    He states rather emphatically that the oil cut off for the US will likely be sudden and abrupt, that troops will get stranded overseas. I still think the military will comandeer reserves in some vain and totally futile, foolish effort to keep the game going, but Dmitry points out the staggering amounts of energy it takes to maintain the military, let alone wage warfare, will run out as abruptly as the US petro dollar collapses and oil exporting countries, who already for the most part hate our government for decades of military bullying, will be more than glad to dump the US dollar for a basket of currencies or commodities for what is left of their reserves. which are in terminal decline.
    We are at the top of Hubbert’s roller coaster ride, these price fluctuations are the bumpy plateau before the steep cliff of sudden decline/cut off. Any new technology, even if its EROEI can match a fraction of that obtained from fossil fuels, would take decades to be up and running, and they will likely require some level of fossil fuel input to build and maintain them.
    It is rather telling that Saudi Arabia is investing in solar energy as opposed to more refineries, and the major oil companies are not investing in more refineries. This would seem to prove beyond a doubt that world wide peak oil production was reached in 2005 and we likely have 1-2 years (if not sooner) before sudden, complete, and catastrophic collapse that will unleash a nightmare in the US beyond most people’s wildest imaginations. The time needed to convert to methane is not there and if we use that to maintain our unsustainable living arrangements, that will deplete rapidly as well.
    Get your lifeboat together now if you can or plunge to the bottom with those who thought the ship was unsinkable.

  251. ozone June 6, 2012 at 9:39 am #

    “I know I’m a broken record, but someone has to keep saying that the agenda comes right out of the Milton Friedman playbook.
    When the media and the politicians refuse to mention a name there’s a reason, because that’s the foundation of Reaganomics. Most of them have been schooled that way over 35 years.” -BT
    And thus into the maelstrom of the Euro-Murkin economic “model”. Wealth mostly tends to flow into the bloody hands of the oligarchs. (A profitable model if kept prudently hidden.)
    Uncle Milty wanted to be well-recognized in his day (as when shown yukkin’ it up with Pinochet after custom designing his whole brutal fascist economy), but these days his ghost is squeezed into the same closet as many other failed, moldering skeletons, while at the same time covertly studied by a cabal of believers and psychopaths. (Well sure, his “theories” have made the masters ever more rich and powerful, in the Randian ideal. Now THAT whole dynamic is a little too icky to contemplate, so let’s not go there.)

  252. ozone June 6, 2012 at 9:43 am #

    …And not nearly as distastful and useless a broken record as the one that goes: nigger -click- nigger -click- nigger -click- (ad infinitum; ad nauseum.)

  253. lsjogren June 6, 2012 at 9:46 am #

    Had a fascinating little dream before I woke up just now.
    Was in this big store type place walking around. There was all sorts of food booths. It was my first time there but I was starting to figure out how it worked. It was a self-serve all you can eat buffett except it was the size of a Home Depot. Being there for the first time I was getting a free trial.
    I noticed someone with a paper plate with some plums and peaches on it, I found the booth it came from but by now there was just some dregs left- a couple small wrinkled apples, stuff like that. Some middle aged lady commented to me “not much left”, and I said “yeah I guess it’s the early bird gets the worm around here” and she chuckled and seemed truly amused by my statement, as was I.
    then I woke up

  254. ozone June 6, 2012 at 9:56 am #

    Thanks for bringing it all back around.
    So we contemplate: Why, oh why would loss of faith in currency[ies] be so important? Why is the oil trade denominated in federal reserve notes? (No “theory” there, Poppets.)
    Somebody better get those tech institutes running 24/7 working on the next big gob of cheap and endless energy, because our CREDIT is about to be shut off. (How much energy do we import to prop up our princely lifestyle? Oh, THAT much?? Dearie, dearie me.)

  255. ozone June 6, 2012 at 10:03 am #

    Ah, that would be, “The oily boid gettin’ da woim.”
    ;o)
    Me? Yes, going back to sleep to see if we can dream up a more “hopeful” dream. (Might not work though…)
    “…all I have to do is dreeeeam; dream, dream dream…”

  256. ozone June 6, 2012 at 10:15 am #

    Hey kids!
    Here’s a fine use of dwindling resources, but it’s all in the name of “pharohic grandiosity” (tm JHK), so why kvetch?
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-12/artist-defends-london27s-olympic-tower/4007256
    I must say, if you have to walk up that spiral to get to the top, you’d certainly get your daily dose of useless, endorphin-pumpin’ exercise. (They really should use those last gasps of e-lek-tris’ty to run the elevator though; fat bastards need to be awed too.)

  257. ozone June 6, 2012 at 10:53 am #

    Dmitri Orlov on the timing of collapse (good catch MN):
    “Plugging in everyone’s favorite Yogi Berra quote: “Making predictions is hard, especially if they are about the future.” Well, I beg to differ: making predictions about the past is just as difficult. The USSR collapsed unexpectedly in 1991, taking the “experts” by surprise. The root cause of the collapse remains veiled in mystery; the reason for the exact timing remains a complete mystery. Expert Kremlinologists were geared up to bet on minor power shifts within the Politburo, expert economists were entirely convinced about the superiority of free market capitalism over a planned socialist economy, expert military strategists could debate the merits of the Strategic Defense Initiative (there aren’t any) but they were all blindsided when the whole Soviet thing just folded up and blew away. Similarly, most political experts in the US are confident in their estimation of the odds that Obama will or will not be reelected in November 2012; what they can’t give you is the odds that the elections won’t be held, and that nobody will get to be president. Mind you, these odds are not zero, and we can be sure that such a day will come; we just don’t know when.”
    Put that in your prediction pipe, but think a bit before you light and smoke it.

  258. Rhino June 6, 2012 at 11:27 am #

    So, violent resistance was unable to defend your family? I thought violence was necessary, the cat’s meow, best thing since sliced bread. – Asoka
    As I’ve said in other posts simplistic stupidness is the stock in trade of the blind ideologue and in your case spiced with bizarre rationalization and twisted illogic. But as weird as you are you’re not unique. I’ve seen your type many times over the decades and gotten my fill of them at the academies of the insane that pass for institutions of higher learning on our side of the globe.
    But I’ll reiterate the blindingly obvious: The Nazis killed and killed and killed and would have kept on killing had the Red Army and its western allies not put the Nazi regime in the grave. How? By way of armed might. The Nazis weren’t going to stop killing because we asked nicely.
    As far as my own family goes, certain of them were unlucky, in the wrong place at the wrong time. Some were killed, some were maimed. And some escaped death by blind luck. They saw fascist evil for what it was. And they ACTED.
    By the way, Rhino, 30,000 children died of hunger yesterday. Children you CONDEMNED TO DEATH by your inaction. How does it feel to be a baby killer? – Asoka
    And YOUR inaction asshole. And once again I’ll state the blindingly obvious: most of those thousands live in impoverished regimes. And I’ll bet that most could have been saved. How? By the action of adults in those regimes. You know, ADULTS. They exist all over the world. They aren’t powerless. They are just like you and me. And if through their action or inaction their children die or come to some other grief then I would put the blame exactly where it belongs: with those adults most proximate to those children.
    I don’t idolize violence. But you can’t or won’t get through your head that sometimes its the only way to stop evil.

  259. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 11:30 am #

    Orlov on timing of collapse: “Mind you, these odds are not zero, and we can be sure that such a day will come; we just don’t know when.”
    NASA on catastrophic asteroid collision: “Mind you, these odds are not zero, and we can be sure that such a day will come; we just don’t know when.”
    USGS on the next great quake strike: “Mind you, these odds are not zero, and we can be sure that such a day will come; we just don’t know when.”
    Christians on 2nd Coming of Christ: “Mind you, these odds are not zero, and we can be sure that such a day will come; we just don’t know when.”
    etc. etc. etc.

  260. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 11:42 am #

    Rhino, don’t confuse pacifism with passivity.
    Nonviolent resistance is an alternative to violence. Nonviolent movements in the 20th century like Gandhi’s leadership of the Indian Independence movement, the U.S. civil rights movement, the boycotts in the Eastern Cape Province as part of the Anti-Apartheid movement in South Africa, the Danish resistance to Nazi Occupation, the Polish Solidarity Movement, and the Chilean democracy movement to oust Augusto Pinochet have all amply demonstrated the effectiveness of nonviolent resistance in confronting Nazis, communists, and fascists.

  261. ozone June 6, 2012 at 12:30 pm #

    Just read the fucking article, nitpicking, denialist sub-realists. MN is closer to the truth of what’s going to go down than many would like to admit; I don’t know what’s so repellent about getting your shit together “just in case”! What, your future misery is going to enjoy the company when the “folks” go mad because they won’t face a change in how bid’nez gets done? Does the empire need killer conscripts that will work for food that badly? If so, relax, you’ll get your chance to jine up or die by staying aboard the good ship Status Quo (formerly known as Lollipop, before the retrofit).
    http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/06/fragility-and-collapse-slowly-at-first.html#more
    When full-throttle expectations meet the brick wall of actual constraints, bullshit and false hopes are OVER.

  262. Vlad Krandz June 6, 2012 at 12:31 pm #

    Wrong. Modern Democracy always counts on such things. Obama had and has a huge war chest – after stating that he would only rely on public funds – or have you conveniently forgotten all this cuz he’s Black?
    You all love Democracy so much! That’s why your courts reverse referendums all the time. Again and again the people have spoken out against Gay Marriage. And unlimited immigration? Being replaced? They’ve never even been asked. But we know what they would say. You people are Tyrants, and the Republican Party is little better.

  263. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 12:35 pm #

    You people are Tyrants, and the Republican Party is little better.
    ==============
    That’s what democracy is all about: electing your own tyrants. People deserve the leadership they elect.

  264. Vlad Krandz June 6, 2012 at 12:40 pm #

    In Wisconsin, the Unions, the Students, the Unemployed, and the Unemployables made all the noise – but the People decided. You should be happy, if you really believed in Democracy. But you don’t. You believe in the Democratic Party, not the same thing at all.
    All the Media bowed to the Black Messiah last time. No one did their job, least of all McCain. But Romney is going to slam him. As is the real Media. Not the Liberal Tripe you listen to, the Court Media.
    You’re right about Reagan btw. His whole Cabinet was CFR but he wasn’t. A complete patsy. The people behind the two parties are the same. Why can’t you admit that and be free? No real person can be a member of either Party. Come out of the shadows into the Light.

  265. Rhino June 6, 2012 at 12:58 pm #

    You just aren’t clue-ing in are you.
    There was a paper done by a Steven Welch at the Univ of Melbourne called “Nazi Plans For and Use of Famine in Eastern Europe”.
    Now you can call this bucket of plop by an airhead academic but what he says matches the reality of what happened in the 1940s. In it he describes a German plan for the massive liquidation of Eastern Europe via the movement or killing (via starvation) of 30 to 50 million people in Poland, Czechoslovakia and the USSR and the enslavement of millions more.
    I’m going to remind you of the obvious: nonviolence bought the Jews one thing. Death. European Jewry was wiped out. This plan for the eradication of large parts of Slavic Europe was no joke.

  266. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 1:01 pm #

    Ozone, from the article you linked to, Orlov says, and I quote: “I knew that the USSR was going to collapse a year or so before it did. How did I know? By watching carefully, and by realizing that things can’t go on much longer in the same direction. I am doing the same with the USA now.”
    By his own admission Orlov has now been “doing the same” … predicting the imminent collapse of the USA for five years … which is why I am not an Orlov worshiper.
    By the way, I am smarter than Orlov. I have created a set-up with an adobe mud hut which requires no heat, no air conditioning (i.e., no petroleum inputs), and I have abundant natural food, water, and year round sunshine (no effort is required for heating or cooling) in a part of the world where the temperature is a constant 80 degrees daytime and 60 degrees at night, every day of the year, due to proximity to the equator.
    One of the stupidest places to be at the time of collapse would be on a boat on the ocean. How much time can you be on a boat before food and water runs out? Has Orlov ever heard of pirates? Orlov is not too smart.

  267. Michigan Native June 6, 2012 at 1:03 pm #

    Oh yes, what a hero Ghandi supposedly was. Only after the limeys raped and pillaged much of India’s natural resources did they leave. If Ghandi had issued them all automatic weapons sooner,instead of telling them to do stupid shit like line up and get their heads smashed in, they would have driven those fuckers back from the rocks they crawled out from under sooner and India would have been much better off. There were millions of Indians back then, and how many thousands of British troops? Do the math. Ghandi was a failure to his people in my book

  268. Vlad Krandz June 6, 2012 at 1:04 pm #

    Tell them about the money laundering scheme between the Unions and the Democratic Party: Union dues go to Democratic Candidates and those Candidates then support outrageous benefit packages for the Unions – on the People’s dime as the Nation goes broke. Outrageous and immoral. Fire the bastards unless they shape up real quick just as Coolidge did.
    How do you feel about the election last night? A triumph of Democracy, eh?

  269. Vlad Krandz June 6, 2012 at 1:08 pm #

    Wrong. That how Blacks see Obama – someone to humiliate and rob Whites and enrich them. Real Presidents serve all the People. I mean what kind of Man could put a bigot like Holder over the Citizens of the United States?

  270. welles June 6, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

    While paper/electrons mean that money is available in unlimited supply, it is wildly irrational to chide gold for being a relic of the past and non-useful, with regards to investing in it.
    Just track the price, from $250 in 2001/2002 to $1,600 now. I think gold was recently crowned the best investment of the past decade. It beat the pants off the US stock markets.
    Gold sucked for 20 years, since 2001/2002 it’s been among the very best investments. Roughly 85% of so-called ‘money managers’ have done much worse than gold over the same period.
    And you had to fork over tons of fees/commissions to earn whatever piddling return they provided you, while holding gold would’ve cost you peanuts in those terms.
    The VAST majority of so-called money managers can’t even beat machine-managed stock-market index funds for god’s sake; just another way Americans, clueless as they are about most all things financial, are sheep led to the slaughter while the fleecers have a good chuckle.
    peace peaceniks

  271. Vlad Krandz June 6, 2012 at 1:12 pm #

    English rule united India. If India had been united to begin with, the Britsh would have never gotten in.
    Also they had countless Sikh and Muslim auxilliaries, not just a few thousand British Troops. India is deeply divided, and the British made full use of those divisions.

  272. Vlad Krandz June 6, 2012 at 1:17 pm #

    And Stalin liquidated millions in the Ukraine. Google the Holdomor. And the Allies starved the Germans after both wars. Morgenthau tried to starve Germany to death, but a German American Senator went after him on the floor of the Senate. FDR and Baruch backed off and let him hang out to dry – but they had been supporter before.
    The Nazis were divided on the Slavs. Many were against the policy of displacement. They might have won out in th end. We’ll never know now. The Slavs were destined to be ruled for generations by aliens – Jews and Georgians.

  273. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 1:17 pm #

    You just aren’t clue-ing in are you.
    I clued in about the time my government decided to wage war in Southeast Asian countries to fight “communism” to prevent the “dominoes” from falling and having the USA overrun by communists.
    I listened to their argument and said “Fuck that shit. No Vietnamese ever did anything to me” and I refused to go to Vietnam.
    If people refuse to join armies, the dictators of the world would be powerless and harmless and would be shown up for the lunatics that they are.
    But people like you believe what their government says about “enemies” and people like you believe violence is effective and people like you believe there are times when violence is necessary.
    So, the dictators of the world will always have you as cannon fodder. You just are not clue-ing in, are you?

  274. Rhino June 6, 2012 at 1:19 pm #

    Further to my reply to Asoka:
    Hitler and the German Nazis were not South African whites nor the others you mention. You can say all you want that nobody “knows” what will happen as a justification for passivity. But as many others have said the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. The Nazis invaded Poland and immediately set to killing off Polish intellectuals and the Polish political and cultural elite. Hans Frank was the Nazi military governor of Poland. He talked about his intent to starve Poland out of existence. Then the Nazis penned in and set to killing 3 million plus Jews in Poland. In all the Nazis killed 20 to 25 % of Poland’s population. And they were stopped by means of armed force. Otherwise the body count would have been worse.
    And what of such a luminary as Ghandhi in such a setting as Nazi ocupied Poland or Russia? He would have found himself in short order standing in front of a mass grave awaiting his turn with an executioner. No speculation needed. The Nazi record in these matters is more than ample.
    And Joseph Stalin, who made a non aggression pact with Hitler, found out what that deal was worth in June 1941. Exactly nothing.

  275. Vlad Krandz June 6, 2012 at 1:20 pm #

    The British built the railroad in order to shuttle troops across the Subcontinent. Thus their disadvantage in numbers could be ameliorated quickly by reinforcements.

  276. Rhino June 6, 2012 at 1:24 pm #

    If people refuse to join armies… – Asoka
    Yes and if my grandmother had wheels she’d be a bus.

  277. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 1:25 pm #

    Gold sucked for 20 years, since 2001/2002 it’s been among the very best investments.
    Gold goes up and gold goes down. There is nothing golden about gold. Gold bubbles burst.
    If you bought in 2001, you bought under $300 and you have done well. But gold is now over $1,600. Do you think it is going to continue to go up? Are you going to sell when it goes back down? Who will you sell to after TSHTF? Are people who have food going to sell legitimate sustenance for inedible gold?

  278. Buck Stud June 6, 2012 at 1:26 pm #

    Ozone,
    I think is important to realize that some bloggers are financially profiting when it comes to collapse scenarios. JHK, The Automatic Earth – how many “donations” did they garner this year – and other bloggers butter their bread by selling the doomsday narrative. That in itself is reason enough for me to sprinkle more than a little salt over their opinions. And their time-line predictions, quite frankly, are nothing short of laughable. Do you recall Nicole Foss going out on a limb and stating that 2010 would be an “unmitigated disaster”?
    As far as Orlov, if I want a recount of the Soviet Union collapse, I’ll get it from someone who was actually a citizen of that country.

  279. Buck Stud June 6, 2012 at 1:28 pm #

    Absolutely outstanding piece, Bill Neil. I read the entire piece slowly and carefully. Thank you for posting.

  280. Rhino June 6, 2012 at 1:28 pm #

    But people like you believe what their government says about “enemies” and people like you believe violence is effective and people like you believe there are times when violence is necessary. – Asoka
    And my mother and her sisters found themselves under German occupation and at the wrong end of German rifles. No need for any government propaganda to tell them about enemies. They saw the piles of dead. They knew first hand.

  281. BeingThere June 6, 2012 at 1:30 pm #

    Vlad,
    Ya know why E. and I got along?
    Cuz I was the first person to say that both parties are a two-headed hydra sharing one body.
    This thing is going to become a nightmare.
    What I’m against is rampant privatization of all the public sector which is where this movement is going.
    Obama was trying to take us down slowly, but the masters are impatient. Romney will do it faster.
    Now I hope you don’t like Romney–cause he’s been buddies with Netanyahu for decades and if you noticed all Romney’s international policy advisors have dual citizenship with Israel.
    We are moving from Trilateral Commission rule to Neocon rule again. It bounces back and forth. I fuly expect that before the “Long Emergency” of oil depletion had a chance to set in, we will be entering WWIII before.
    Anyway you slice it with either one of these Globalist bankster parties we’re F’ed!!

  282. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 1:46 pm #

    If people refuse to join armies… – Asoka
    He’s five feet two and he’s six feet four
    He fights with missiles and with spears
    He’s all of 31 and he’s only 17
    He’s been a soldier for a thousand years
    He’s a Catholic, a Hindu, an athiest, a Jain,
    a Buddhist and a Baptist and a Jew
    and he knows he shouldn’t kill
    and he knows he always will
    kill you for me my friend and me for you
    And he’s fighting for Canada,
    he’s fighting for France,
    he’s fighting for the USA,
    and he’s fighting for the Russians
    and he’s fighting for Japan,
    and he thinks we’ll put an end to war this way
    And he’s fighting for Democracy
    and fighting for the Reds
    He says it’s for the peace of all
    He’s the one who must decide
    who’s to live and who’s to die
    and he never sees the writing on the walls
    But without him how would Hitler have
    condemned him at Dachau
    Without him Caesar would have stood alone
    He’s the one who gives his body
    as a weapon to a war
    and without him all this killing can’t go on

    He’s the universal soldier and he
    really is to blame
    His orders come from far away no more
    They come from him, and you, and me
    and brothers can’t you see
    this is not the way we put an end to war
    — “The Universal Soldier” as written by Buffy Sainte Marie

  283. Rhino June 6, 2012 at 1:59 pm #

    Yes, that’s very nice. So what.

  284. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 2:03 pm #

    Rhino, you should read Milton Mayer’s book, THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE FREE, about the Nazis.
    According to you ADULTS stand up and fight.
    According to some on CFN the FEMA camps are ready for us to be shuttled into … and when the NDAA kicks into high gear, martial law is imposed, dissenters with any following are ready to be rounded up and executed or sent to one of those Halliburton “FEMA” camps. The 12,700 armored vehicles and the 450,000,000 rounds of hollow point bullets will be put to use to suppress the masses. What are you doing, Rhino?
    What are you doing to stop fascism in the USA?
    Do you really believe in violent resistance, or are you just flapping your gums? What are you doing right now? Or are you going to wait for the mass executions? Are you going to wait for the uniformed ones to knock on your door?
    Do you really believe in violent resistance against fascism in the USA in the 21st century? Are you walking your talk?

  285. Michigan Native June 6, 2012 at 2:11 pm #

    “As far as Orlov, if I want a recount of the Soviet Union collapse, I’ll get it from someone who was actually a citizen of that country.”
    LMFAO. Are you an evil twin of none other than Asoka? No two people could be that fucking ignorant. Neither of you (or should I saw the singular you) have obviously never read or listened to Dmitry Orlov.
    The fact is, he grew up in the former USSR and his family left for the USA in a “grain for brain” deal that allowed his family to escape persecution in Russia in 1972. He has no reason to stick up for his former country, and considers what he is doing a civic service to his fellow americans…to warn them that the US is following the same trajectory as the former USSR. He went back to his former homeland before, during and after its collapse to visit family and friends and has invaluable insights that he has graciously taken the time to offer.
    He states the USA is not nearly as prepared as the former USSR for our inevitable demise. The USSR had public housing that were logistically located to maximize energy efficiency and minimize entropy with systems of mass transit. Those dreary apartments were not much to look at, he states, but were cheap to heat and your address was stamped on your birth certificate and could not be taken away until death. Nobody was foreclosed upon or evicted, unlike the homeless disaster that is unfolding in the US.
    The USSR had a huge black market system in place so people could get many of the things they needed when the centrally planned command and control economy could not provide them. People had already taken up some home gardening before the collapse. Other factors Orlov does not say but I think anyone could agree….americans are spoiled, arrogant, and used to the “good life”. Not since the Civil War, unless you count Pearl Harbor, did the US see massive warfare on its soil. The Russians have endured these hardships and I will state were and are a helluva lot more prepared to deal with adversity. Even then, according to Orlov, many people got mugged or killed, many people, especially middle aged men, drank themselves away or committed suicide. America is a country armed to the teeth, with a racial powder keg that will explode with the slightest spark.
    Here are some links for you to actually watch so you will never make such foolish remarks about “being a Soviet citizen” when in fact, he was. Ignorance is no excuse for your behavior
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmTBnhOXufg
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrz5ucQACo8

  286. Michigan Native June 6, 2012 at 2:18 pm #

    I read where Ghandi temporarily united India in resistance. After the Brits left, the country fragmented into India and Pakistan. When and if Ghandi united India, he should have distributed armaments if he wanted to be free of British imperialism. Not a big issue for me, I just don’t believe in passive resistance. I say jump back at those who would rob, steal, or exploit you and bite their fuckin throats out. Better to die going down swinging then be a victim, in my humble opinion

  287. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 2:23 pm #

    Orlov states the USA is not nearly as prepared…
    Agreed. Which is why Welles, DeeJones, and I have advocated getting out of the USA while you still can.
    Or are you one of the deniers who believes there is no where to run, no where to hide?
    If so, you are wrong. There are many better places than the USA.

  288. Michigan Native June 6, 2012 at 2:30 pm #

    Thank you. I am beginning to see that some people are not even worth responding to. Here are some links of interviews with Dmitry that prove the people that criticize him either lack the mental capacity to understand him or they don’t bother to read or listen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrz5ucQACo8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmTBnhOXufg&feature=fvwrel
    Do they come into CFN without having read The Long Emergency, the 5 stages of collapse, Reinventing Collapse, Confronting Collapse (Michael Ruppert), or The Party Is Over by Richard Heinberg? I am thinking they have not, and just come here to deny reality, stick up for Obama and try to convert others to their half assed brand of liberalism? If so, they are failing miserably. I used to be a liberal, I am finding they irritate almost as much as the neocons. I did not think that was possible

  289. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 2:33 pm #

    Vlad, when Obama went up against McCain and Palin, the people chose Obama. Everyone chose Obama including Republicans in eight Republican states. The Hoosiers chose Obama!
    People deserve the leadership they elect.

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  291. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 2:35 pm #

    Jeez, talk about the cult of Dmitry! Your posts are bordering on religious zeal.

  292. Michigan Native June 6, 2012 at 2:38 pm #

    Here is another slap of reality for the denialists/technology/Obama/Romney will save us types http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeRTCepmkqQ&feature=relmfu

  293. Vlad Krandz June 6, 2012 at 2:49 pm #

    Ever see the Vagina Monologues? Remember “Coochie Snorcher”?

  294. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 2:53 pm #

    Do you think Scott Walker will do hard time for his campaign finance malfeasance, embezzlement of veterans funds, bid-rigging, and child enticement?

  295. Vlad Krandz June 6, 2012 at 2:55 pm #

    Maybe it wont go up but rather the dollar will go down? Do you understand the difference? Anyone holding metal will get some of their money back, money that has been stolen from them by decades of quantitative easing. Doesn’t everyone profit from such things? Theoretically. But actually those who get the money first do – before the new increment causes more inflation. Hint: that’s not the common people.
    I’m asking you to try Soak.

  296. Vlad Krandz June 6, 2012 at 2:57 pm #

    Yes your fellow travelers are making death threats this morning. You all were crushed last night. Budget is a four letter word to race hustlers and their clients.

  297. Michigan Native June 6, 2012 at 3:03 pm #

    Here is another. Richard Heinberg, for you endless growth denialists. Dmitry, JHK, and Richard Heinberg all basically see eye to eye regarding collapse. Watch and learn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjFQLGVIJak&feature=related

  298. Vlad Krandz June 6, 2012 at 3:09 pm #

    We’ve been saying that for generations. Lucan was driven to the rage of despair because the Ramtha Channeling Cult had prepared years ago – before him and his Literary friends.
    I think the division you state is real and important. Both sides are innundated by Jews, but Jews sometimes disagree. The Trilateralists are Global Warming Scamsters. The Neo Cons the Zionist Warmongers.
    As a person, you are more on the Trilateral Side since you think Goverment should do everything for everyone. I would have been more on the Republican Side but since they’ve been taken over by the Neo Cons, I can’t be. The Neo Cons are are almost as Big Goverment as the Liberals.
    I’m reading a long but good Neo Conish article about how the Democratic Party is the ruling party in America. It’s “America’s Ruling Class and the Perils of Revolution” by Angelo Codevilla. Quite good. Hancock should read it since he always wondered why my thought wasn’t symmetrical and equally against both Parties. This is why. The Democratic Party triumphed in the Culture War and the “new people” are its clients and supporters. The Republicans can only drool in envy. The Democratic Party is thus the new status quo. And Republicans who come to power often end up sounding like them and voting like them.

  299. Vlad Krandz June 6, 2012 at 3:21 pm #

    If you think that, then you should also know that Obama worship was very, very real and far from just a Republican Construct. They capitalized on it, yes – but it was real and very frightening and despicable.
    That you don’t see this indicates a split in your psyche. You desperately wanted Obama to be real and you are trying to minimize how great your disappointment was. Well, at least you know now. Hopefully you wont vote for him again.

  300. Buck Stud June 6, 2012 at 3:28 pm #

    I have read Orlov but like I said I’ll take my info from people who actually lived there pre WW2 thru the collapse and one person in particular whose art pieces – marble sculptures – belonged to the Ministry of Culture.
    And BTW, you hardly strike me as an expert on the old Soviet Union or Russia in general beyond your parroting of Orlov. So save the pretense and tone down the bombast.

  301. BeingThere June 6, 2012 at 3:32 pm #

    Hopefully you won’t vote for Romney–unless you like Zionism afterall cuz it’s no secret that’s what you’re gonna get.
    No such thing as Obama worship–it’s a media construct—people just wanted to get outta “W.”, Cheney and the Neocons–They wanted to get outta Clintonista land, but at the end of the day, they got a bait and switch–there was no choice between Hillary and Obama–you got the same banksters.
    As for me? I knew when Hillary and Obama went to the Bilderberg meeting in spring of 2008, that we were going to lose even if we won.
    As I said, When your team wins-You lose.
    I’m working and that’s the end of subject for me.
    No more of your nonsense.

  302. Vlad Krandz June 6, 2012 at 3:36 pm #

    I agree. I applaud the Sikhs in London who have threatened the Muslims over the rape of one of their women. Violence is the only thing Muslims understand.
    Whites are too weak and/or persecuted by their own Goverments. So the Muslims pimp out White Girls by the score over there.

  303. Vlad Krandz June 6, 2012 at 3:41 pm #

    There are none so blind as will not see. Obama is a God, half Black (divine) and half human (White). That’s what go him elected. The hand of the Brotherhoods has been on him since his earlies days, making the rough smooth before him. He is the fufillment, the incarnation, of decades, no – generations – of social programming starting with movies like “To Sir with Love” and “Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner”. Admit it – you loved Poitier. And Obama felt utter contempt for his mother when she gasped “Harry Belafonte is the most handsome men in the world”. As a White, he didn’t think her worthy of Belafonte.

  304. messianicdruid June 6, 2012 at 3:51 pm #

    “And MD says “it” will happen by the end of June… but he won’t say what “it” is…”
    I truly regret this because at the end of June you will be hardened in your denial even more.
    “Suppose someone tells you that he just flipped a coin 10 times and all 10 were heads? What is the probability that the next flip will be heads too? If you think 50%, then you are discounting the very high probability that the game is rigged. And this makes you a sucker.”
    Those fellas that have the wolf by the ears could be said to be “rigging” the game. I am patient.

  305. messianicdruid June 6, 2012 at 3:52 pm #

    “That’s what democracy is all about: electing your own tyrants.”
    That’s why I prefer a Republic.

  306. messianicdruid June 6, 2012 at 4:01 pm #

    “Are people who have food going to sell legitimate sustenance for inedible gold?”
    Of course, if they have a surplus! FRNs are not edible either. Well, at least not very nutritous.

  307. messianicdruid June 6, 2012 at 4:08 pm #

    “Which is why Welles, DeeJones, and I have advocated getting out of the USA while you still can.”
    Should I leave by the end of June?

  308. Mike Hunt June 6, 2012 at 4:09 pm #

    Methinks that you ask too much of poor old Soake.
    I don’t have a crystal ball but I wouldn’t be surprised if gold, silver, etc go far higher than anyone is currently predicting, given how dysfunctional the whole global financial system has become.
    Soake doesn’t understand the concept of what a bubble is. A bubble is a mania where everyone wants in and the price goes parabolic. Gold isn’t even close to that phase.
    Michael

  309. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 4:18 pm #

    Do you have any real gold? By real gold I mean gold coins, not worthless paper gold certificates.
    If so, do this experiment:
    1) Go to your local grocery store with both gold coins and federal reserve notes in small denominations ($1 to $20 bills).
    2) Pick out $20 worth of food (your choice, it doesn’t matter what you choose)
    3) Go to the cashier and try to pay with gold coins. (have the FRNs handy… you will need them)
    4) Report back to CFN which has more value: gold coins or FRNs.

  310. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 4:23 pm #

    What I understand is that gold is useless. Do you have any real gold: by that I mean gold coins?
    If so, please do the experiment I outlined for MD.
    Having the experiment replicated in different places will strengthen the results. And you will see for yourself just how useless gold is.

  311. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 4:25 pm #

    But you don’t “truly regret” it enough to say what is supposed to happen in June, do you?
    Don’t bear false witness.
    You are misusing the word “truly.”

  312. Mike Hunt June 6, 2012 at 4:32 pm #

    Someone last week said you were an “intellectual spastic”. Now I know what they mean.
    I recently sold six ounces of gold for a bit over $10 grand. Bought myself a very nice slightly used Toyota pickup. You say gold is useless/worthless. Yeah, right…
    Michael

  313. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 4:39 pm #

    10000 divided by 6 = 1 666.666
    Interesting, but irrelevant.
    The experiment is not to buy a used pickup truck.
    The experiment is to buy food, if you can, with a gold coin.

  314. Mike Hunt June 6, 2012 at 4:55 pm #

    I can see you’re not too bright. Gold is a fantastic way to store a lot of wealth. You can hold (currently) about $100,000 of gold in one hand.
    Silver is great for making smaller transactions such as food, as you suggest. I have bought food at local farmer’s markets for a few silver dimes and/or quarters.
    You should go to 321gold.com for great articles and information about why owning precious metals is a good idea. Your own lack of understanding of the concept is putting you at a disadvantage.
    MH

  315. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 5:01 pm #

    Silver is great for making smaller transactions …
    Hello? The experiment is about gold, not silver.
    Until we do the experiment, we cannot assert that gold has worth.
    Go to your Piggly-Wiggly (Safeway, WalMart, Publix, Kroger, Safeway, Albertsons, etc.) and take your gold coins. Try to buy food and see what happens.
    You have an idea in your head that gold is wealth. Fine. Feel wealthy.
    But I am more practical. More important than being wealthy is being able to eat.

  316. welles June 6, 2012 at 5:21 pm #

    Should I leave by the end of June?
    Advisable.
    peace peaceniks

  317. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 5:22 pm #

    Still clueless, eh?
    We are waiting for your answer to the question:
    What are you doing to stop fascism in the USA?
    Be specific, since you believe in violence, and let us all know what you are doing.

  318. welles June 6, 2012 at 5:26 pm #

    Try to buy food and see what happens.
    This is specious. Gold coins obviously have two or three types of value, face value and numismatic/gold-content value.
    peace peaceniks

  319. messianicdruid June 6, 2012 at 5:50 pm #

    “If so, please do the experiment I outlined for MD.”
    The cashiers are following orders, the store owners still have to pay their bills in FRNs, so of course they want “the coin of the realm”. FRNs are becoming worth less and less everyday.
    “But you don’t “truly regret” it enough to say what is supposed to happen in June, do you?”
    Good try, but you know I was saying “I regret setting a date”, rather than “I regret this world system meeting its just demise”.

  320. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 6:20 pm #

    Thanks, Welles. This is what I was saying. Gold is specious.
    Specious: Misleading in appearance, esp. misleadingly attractive

  321. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 6:29 pm #

    Someone last week said you were an “intellectual spastic”. Now I know what they mean.
    Thank you!
    Spastic: A brave person.
    Intellectual: A person who is devoted to literary or scholarly pursuits.
    I do have the courage of my convictions, a breadth of learning, and the ability to communicate.
    Although I do not need external affirmation, I do appreciate your kind words.

  322. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 6:42 pm #

    FRNs are becoming worth less and less everyday.
    If anyone “owned” the FRNs, this would constitute theft. But they are simply means of exchange. They are called “currency” because they flow like a current in a river, from one hand to another, in transaction after transaction.
    So, I have no concern for their supposed “worth” … FRNs have a little more worth than gold, since they are acceptable in commonplace financial transactions, but ultimately gold, silver, FRNs, electrons, etc. are all just symbolic. None of them have any INTRINSIC value.
    Gold is just metal taken from the earth and has no INTRINSIC value (or nutritional value) at all. We give it value by accepting it symbolically as a medium of exchange.

  323. messianicdruid June 6, 2012 at 6:59 pm #

    “Gold is just metal taken from the earth and has no INTRINSIC value (or nutritional value) at all. We give it value by accepting it symbolically as a medium of exchange.”
    Wrong. As long as we are throwing around definitions:
    in·trin·sic? ?/?n?tr?ns?k, -z?k/
    adjective
    1. belonging to a thing by its very nature: the intrinsic value of a gold ring.
    Gold and silver have intrinsic value because of what it takes {expense} to produce them. You can’t just print an ounce of gold. The expense of producing it remains with it, because it {the expense} would be required to replace it, if lost. This is not symbolic, it would be a real loss. The expense of replacing a FRN is two cents.

  324. anti soak June 6, 2012 at 7:08 pm #

    Agreed, I dont know or need to know much about the USSR. I have read that when it collapsed folks were quite calm and as you noted, barter/black market was already many decades old. [was it 90% of the food was grown on 2% of the land?].
    Meanwhile here in the USA, life is increasingly chaotic and many people are dependent on the govt for EBT, a check, housing.

  325. anti soak June 6, 2012 at 7:13 pm #

    Also, quality of life was bad under the reds, but declined once the USSR broke up.
    Life expectancy, alcoholism etc.
    I have read J rogers 2 books [Investment Biker and Adveture Capitalist] and he writes about traveling all the way across Siberia, the Mafya, etc.

  326. anti soak June 6, 2012 at 7:25 pm #

    Do you think VK should get a ministers license and go preach?
    Perhaps that is Vlads calling!!!!!

  327. anti soak June 6, 2012 at 7:30 pm #

    This is odd, did anyone see the June ‘eyesore’ here?
    I wanted to review, I just went to look and its gone.

  328. dale June 6, 2012 at 7:31 pm #

    Introducing the new “Goon from the Moon” Award:
    That’s right folks, someone has to put the “thought” on this website in perspective, so I’ve introduced the “Goon from the Moon” weekly award to the most pointless, idiotic, venal, paranoid and/or generally incoherent post. Who will be the winner this week?
    Vlad is a perennial favorite of course, but this week, relative newcomer “new world” is vying to out do Vlad in his favorite areas of casting dispersions and fomenting hatred. Hard work, but somebody has to do it. Asoka is in the front of the pack, trying to prove gold is “worthless” (?) O.K. at least now we know why he had to retire to Ecuador. “Michigan native” might have a chance if he could make his point in less than 400 words. (some of us have a real life) Ozone, appears to be coming up on the outside with the comment “nitpicking, denialist sub-realists.”…….sub realists??? “anti soak” is working up a sweat not caring what Soros says, but fascinated with “why he says it”. Of course!, its all in the subtext, how stupid of the world not to understand, thankfully we have anti here to clue us in. Beantown Bill isn’t going to get anywhere with posts on his Hamlet-like generalized angst.
    It will be a tough decision, unless…..one of you really pulls a corker out of his brainpan. Stay tuned.

  329. messianicdruid June 6, 2012 at 8:03 pm #

    “Who will be the winner this week?”
    To save the rest of these fine folks from any shame-faced-ness, I will nominate self for my “end of June” remark.

  330. Vlad Kramps June 6, 2012 at 8:03 pm #

    I got notice today that my job is ending in June. I’ll be joining my two brothers and sister (two have college degrees) in unemployment or partial unemployment.
    Let’s see. If gold isn’t worth money, then I guess I can’t pawn the fillings out of my mouth to eat next month. Not a happy thought.

  331. ozone June 6, 2012 at 8:14 pm #

    We’re not interested in the buildings, we’re only interested in the bricks…
    http://everything2.com/title/Manifesto+Of+The+Subrealist+Film+Movement
    Without a concept; what a concept!

  332. ozone June 6, 2012 at 8:16 pm #

    Not to worry!
    I will lend you as much Monopoly money as you can spend! ;o)

  333. ozone June 6, 2012 at 8:24 pm #

    That isn’t a shame or even a mild censure, it’s an honor. (Consider the cornucopian source.)
    Take a bow while I genuflect to the omniscient and infallible farmer in the dale. (Just to cover my butt, you understand.)

  334. Michigan Native June 6, 2012 at 8:38 pm #

    Dollar uses its reserve currency status to the euro and the yen http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/item_hFyfwvpBW1YYLykSJwTTEL
    So JHK, Orlov, Heinberg and Peter Schiff were right after all. Again, watch this video as Greece begins to default and austerity conditions are imposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjFQLGVIJak
    Collapse. It’s just around the corner. Read the writing on the wall. The joyride was nice while it lasted

  335. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 8:48 pm #

    Collapse. It’s just around the corner. Read the writing on the wall. The joyride was nice while it lasted
    Same message I’ve been reading for seven years on CFN. “Just around the corner” and dozens of other similar metaphors … uhh, yeah, like when exactly?
    Another seven years? Seventy years? Seven hundred years?

  336. ozone June 6, 2012 at 8:51 pm #

    Always a social liberal here, but I’m not ideologically blinkered enough to be steamrolled by fools and charlatans. (Fair is fair… but then there are those fuckin’ users and takers who lay waste to all they touch.)
    We just see what’s bearing down on us and acknowledge it. It’s been my contention that those who prepare themselves mentally have the edge of not following the lemmings off the cliff. No panic; take the path that no one seems to remember is there.
    Why the bellicose denial? You tell me.
    Deny loud enough and reality will go away?
    Make the blog unnavigable by sheer weight of distractionary/irrelevant crap?
    Paid psy-op operatives?
    “We make our own reality now” shit-slingers?
    I’ve got no motive to doom-and-gloom it. Life has certainly been pretty easy and enjoyable with the way things have been going (even with very little do-re-mi). What’s not to like?
    When the lies, scams and violent, extractive shenanigans have overburdened the world’s back, things fall down. Here we are; the flapping of chickens coming home to roost for our complacency and unspoken acquiescence.

  337. Michigan Native June 6, 2012 at 9:00 pm #

    Yes, life expectancy has plummeted in the former USSR since they dumped their national healthcare system. We’re headed on the same path. The dollar has now lost its supremacy as the world’s reserve currency to the euro and the yen. Oil and energy prices will explode as a prelude to the US getting locked out of the international oil trade. All we will have to look forward to now is anarchy, collapse, an attempt at martial law, declining standards of living and icreased poverty and austerity and reduced life expectancy, and perhaps some vain and desperate attempt to bomb or invade Iran. As I have said so many times before, after decades of military bullying and taking a blatantly one sided approach in this ongoing Arab/Israel dispute, those oil exporting countries whom we rely on to import 2/3 of our staggering energy needs will be more than eager, even salivating at the chance to kick Uncle Sam hard in the nuts and watch his war machine run out of gas, literally. The american dream now rapidly deteriorating into the american nightmare, and no amount of denial or wishful thinking can stop it. The great day of reckoning is near, and there may well noit be a presidential election in 2012, and even if there is, it will fail to stop the economic asteroid that is about to impact.

  338. Michigan Native June 6, 2012 at 9:07 pm #

    It’s not doom and gloom, it’s reality. Some realize it now, others can deny it for awhile, but events are gaining momentum. Let us see where the denialists are when the collapse advances.

  339. welles June 6, 2012 at 9:22 pm #

    Let us see where the denialists are when the collapse advances
    Wake us up when your martial law, exploding petroleum prices etc. materializes.
    FYI the elite A-rabs who control 2/3 of the US’ oil supply are mostly educated at Ivy League schools & love hookers and blow more than they love Allah.
    The religious fervor is to keep the public focussed on extranea while they have a grand old time in lyfe.
    It’s the way the world turns, the top dogs play, and play with your mind and life. But don’t look for them to let things get so apocalyptically out of hand, it’s not in the cards, doesn’t suit their purposes, and it’d kill all their fun.
    The doomer attitude out here is very misplaced.
    peace peaceniks
    ps going to coal-roast another brazilian organic-fed pig this weekend, plus some huge cow ribs, just really gigantic, remind you of the flintstones.

  340. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 9:34 pm #

    But don’t look for them to let things get so apocalyptically out of hand, it’s not in the cards, doesn’t suit their purposes, and it’d kill all their fun.

    Exactly! TPTB are not going to let their own game be ruined.
    Michigan Native says, “events are gaining momentum” but if you look at REALITY you’ll find the speed of the planets is the same, the speed of birdsong is the same, plants are growing at the same speed, etc.
    Nature is NOT speeding up and life here continues as it has for thousands of years.
    What IS speeding up is our fear-filled minds, the number of predictions of doom, and the number of conspiracy theories that abound.

  341. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 9:48 pm #

    I’ve introduced the “Goon from the Moon” weekly award to the most pointless, idiotic, venal, paranoid and/or generally incoherent post.

    I qualified up until paranoid and incoherent. Is there any way to protest the judgement criteria? I want the award in the worst way, but I can’t create posts that are paranoid or incoherent. My posts are logical, intelligent, and well-formed. Your criteria are just not fair and seem designed to exclude me (see there was an attempt at paranoia).
    I’m still waiting for the results of the test after my description of that reddish brown squirrel (see there’s an attempt at incoherence).

  342. messianicdruid June 6, 2012 at 10:01 pm #

    “TPTB are not going to let their own game be ruined.”
    You are trying to prove too much. You should have added, “…while it is within their power.” They are NOT omnipotent.

  343. messianicdruid June 6, 2012 at 10:03 pm #

    “…but I can’t create posts that are paranoid or incoherent.”
    Oh c’mon, you’re not really trying.

  344. messianicdruid June 6, 2012 at 10:15 pm #

    “They are NOT omnipotent.”
    It seems they are not even very smart:
    “There is no good reason why the 1 percent, with their good educations, their ranks of advisers, and their much-vaunted business acumen, should be so misinformed. The 1 percent in generations past often knew better. They knew that there would be no top of the pyramid if there wasn’t a solid base – that their own position was precarious if society itself was unsound. Henry Ford, not remembered as one of history’s softies, understood that the best thing he could do for himself and his company was to pay his workers a decent wage, because he wanted them to work hard and he wanted them to be able to buy his cars. Franklin D. Roosevelt, a purebred patrician, understood that the only way to save an essentially capitalist America was not only to spread the wealth, through taxation and social programs, but to put restraints on capitalism itself, through regulation. Roosevelt and the economist John Maynard Keynes, while reviled by the capitalists, succeeded in saving capitalism from the capitalists. Richard Nixon, known to this day as a manipulative cynic, concluded that social peace and economic stability could best be secured by investment – and invest he did, heavily, in Medicare, Head Start, Social Security, and efforts to clean up the environment. Nixon even floated the idea of a guaranteed annual income.”
    http://www.sott.net/articles/show/246406-The-1-Percent-s-Problem

  345. Michigan Native June 6, 2012 at 10:56 pm #

    You had many chances to take the red pill. By all means, stay in denial and perpetual ignorance by taking the blue pill. If ignorance were bliss, some of you would feel like you just hit the megamillions. Good luck walking or riding your bike before the tires succumb to dry rot to the nearest disaster relief shelter, should your big and ever so benevolent government prove to be so efficient to set up food, shelter, transporation, and security on a national basis almost overnight.
    After hurricane Katrina, they proved they couldn’t run a lemonade stand, so drown with all the feel good/deny reality at all costs rats when the ship plunges. Never claim you were not offered the red pill…by Jimmy Carter, Hubbert, Colin Campbell, Michael Ruppert, James Howard Kunstler, Dmitry Orlov, Richard Heinberg, and even endless growth types like Peter Schiff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n3g5lUgkWk
    It’s still not too late to take the red pill

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  347. progress2conserve June 6, 2012 at 11:06 pm #

    ““Goon from the Moon” weekly award to the most pointless, idiotic, venal, paranoid and/or generally incoherent post.” (or postER?)
    -dale-
    I like it, dale.
    First up for the award are the posters who come to this blog, week after week, to argue against its basic premises, or simply to argue. Asoka.wins, hands down, here!
    If JHK were a published and respected author on, say, evolutionary biology, what would be the effect if he gave a speech or published a week’s work – and one person in the crowd always began to dominate the discussion with innumerable posts about the infallible Truth of Creationism?
    Well, that’s what asoka does to JHK’s readers – he is the eternal, and verbally flatulent, Pollyanna – week after week.
    Why do you do this, asoka.?
    What is wrong with you?

  348. anti soak June 6, 2012 at 11:14 pm #

    Are most in USA ‘frogs in a pot of hot water’?
    For those who are past 35 AND PAYING ATTENTION,
    its apparent quality of life has been collapsing here for some time,and our beleaguered,[oops I ll write beloved]
    country has increased 50%population wise in 42 years.
    BHO is doing what he can to bring in more people, espcially anti-americans.
    As for the crisis in Europe, Soros is concerned!!!
    Im concerned hes concerned.
    heres why Dale:
    Thailand currency crash 1997
    http://www.asiatradingonline.com/thaicrash.htm
    Bank Negara, Malaysia’s central bank, often dabbled in currency speculation as Mahathir blamed Soros …
    Maybe he can make a billion wrecking another currency.

  349. Vlad Krandz June 6, 2012 at 11:19 pm #

    No Asoka is right: you cannot eat gold. You will break your teeth!

  350. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 11:23 pm #

    Why do you do this, asoka.? What is wrong with you?
    Dale, are you reading this? I’m going to answer P2C’s question now.
    P2C, I do it because I am paranoid and incoherent and my posts are pointless, and I am idiotic, and venal … honest! Really! Do I win now?

  351. progress2conserve June 6, 2012 at 11:26 pm #

    http://projects.nytimes.com/census/2010/explorer
    Link above goes to an interactive map that gives a graphical overview as well as census data for EVERY single census district in the US. Fascinating.
    Here’s my question – to Ozone, BTB, or several others who argue that “race” in America is best ignored, and that it will vanish as an issue in the near future.
    How do you make this argument, when looking at the way housing data shows that US society has segregated and resegregated?
    How do you make this argument in light of the coming debacle that will be the likely result of a Zimmerman “not guilty” verdict?
    And – this being a peak resources blog, and all – what will happen if the future is not as cornucopian or Utopian – as our CFN Pollyannas are want to suggest it might be.

  352. Bustin J June 6, 2012 at 11:29 pm #

    MNN news nutwork said, “Collapse. It’s just around the corner. Read the writing on the wall. The joyride was nice while it lasted”
    Really? Make a solid DOW prediction. And then short your selection of stocks… if you really put your money where your mouth is, that is.
    asoka(dot) said “Go to your Piggly-Wiggly (Safeway, WalMart, Publix, Kroger, Safeway, Albertsons, etc.) and take your gold coins. Try to buy food and see what happens.”
    Dude behind you follows you to your car and whacks you.
    Last week the following happened to me: I bought a cup of coffee (1.62) paid 2 FRN’s. In change I received 0.28 of nominal FR coins and 1 1954 .90 silver dime, which was worth about 2.10 in pure silver.
    If the world is rational I should be able to go back tomorrow and buy another bup of coffee with the dime, plus change.

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  355. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 11:47 pm #

    Dude brings me six ounces of gold and says he wants to buy my used Toyota pickup I would laugh at him.
    If I had six ounces of gold, I would spit on it to show my contempt and then fling it as far as I could into the nearest deep water lake to get it away from me.
    (dale, that sounds paranoid and incoherent, right? I want that award!)
    The AI guy is making a run for it. AI and Chinese spammers should be disqualified from the prize, doncha think, dale?

  356. asoka. June 6, 2012 at 11:53 pm #

    1 1954 .90 silver dime, which was worth about 2.10 in pure silver.
    A 1954 silver dime is worth $1,940 dollars, if my neighbor is willing to pay that for it. Actually it has no intrinsic value, but it is worth whatever you can get for it on the open market.
    And if I convince my neighbor it is worth $1,940 dollars and he pays that for it, then it is indeed worth $1,940 dollars.
    In other words, it has no intrinsic value. The only worth precious metals have is what the market will bear, what idiots are willing to pay for it because they are deluded into thinking it has value it doesn’t have.

  357. asoka. June 7, 2012 at 12:04 am #

    If the world is rational …
    Bawahaahaahaaha!
    World? Rational? Where did you get that idea?
    In any event you are talking about an economic marketplace, not the “world” …
    People get in lots of trouble expecting rationality where it doesn’t exist.
    You think the average CFN resident makes logical, rational, self-interested decisions that weigh costs against benefits and maximize value and profit to himself/herself? You think they are intelligent, analytic, selfish creatures who have perfect self-regulation in pursuit of their future goals and are unswayed by bodily states and feelings? You in for a big fall, BustinJ!
    The “world” is full of irrational actors: casino gamblers, for instance, are willing to keep betting even while expecting to lose. People say they want to save for retirement, eat better, start exercising, quit smoking — and they mean it — but they do no such things. Victims who feel they’ve been treated poorly exact their revenge, though doing so hurts their own interests.
    And you think your 1954 dime should be worth more than $.10 in a grocery store … in a rational world! Bwahhahhahhahaaaa!

  358. BeantownBill June 7, 2012 at 12:08 am #

    Actually, gold, silver and platinum do have intrinsic value as industrial metals as they are used in many industrial, medical and scientific processes. We should perhaps define “intrinsic value” more specifically, for example intrinsic value as money.

  359. asoka. June 7, 2012 at 12:13 am #

    Beantown the word intrinsic means “belonging naturally; essential”. Naturally means in its state of nature before Messianicdruid has mined it and shaped it and created value added status.
    Gold, silver, and platinum under tons of earth, in their natural state have essentially zero value.
    Once extracted and processed they have an “extrinsic” (post-production) value, assuming people can be convinced of it and are willing to pay for it. If you can’t convince anyone, if no one is willing to pay anything, then your gold, silver, platinum continues to have zero value no matter how shiny you have made them appear.

  360. BeantownBill June 7, 2012 at 12:13 am #

    I’m an agnostic concerning societal collapse. I think our society will change greatly, for change is inevitable, but to destroy itself? No.
    However, like any good agnostic, I prefer to play it safe – in this case by preparing for the worst.

  361. BeantownBill June 7, 2012 at 12:18 am #

    I’ll accept your description of extrinsic to be used for precious metals. Since I tend to think scientifically, I’ll use a physics analogy: the difference between potential energy and kinetic energy.

  362. messianicdruid June 7, 2012 at 12:20 am #

    “The only worth precious metals have is what the market will bear, what idiots are willing to pay for it because they are deluded into thinking it has value it doesn’t have.”
    Try to replace it for $2.10. [ won’t happen!! ] The cost of replacement indicates value, whether or not you are an idiot.
    btw: for two of them, I’ll give you 5 bucks all day long…

  363. asoka. June 7, 2012 at 12:29 am #

    What gets me about CFN is that people always assume change is for the worst. Life is change. Society will change. And it often changes for the better.
    All the “evils” that people on CFN like to blame, like the Fed, the income tax, big government, etc. did not exist 100 years ago.
    Yet, if you research the quality of life in the USA 100 years ago, you will find people were concerned about the escalation of immigration and poverty, labor and monopoly battles, work safety and child labor problems.
    Then there was World War I — the first “war to end all wars”
    Life was not a bed of roses 100 years ago. The changes we have seen in the last 100 years have extended our life expectancy and have made life much more comfortable. That is just a fact: life changed for the better. Change is often good.
    But CFN ignores that in favor of its conspiracy theories about the Fed, the UN, the World Bank, etc. even though conditions were bad when many of those agencies and institutions didn’t exist 100 years ago and couldn’t be blamed.
    And then CFN continues with the same lame complaints about about banks, Jews, immigration, negroes, etc. … the usual scapegoats that people were also blaming 100 years ago.

  364. messianicdruid June 7, 2012 at 12:32 am #

    “Naturally means in its state of nature before messianicdruid has mined it and shaped it and created value added status.”
    Wrong again. There are pieces of gold laying in a stream somewhere, right now, that merely need to be picked up and recognized for what it is {intrinsic}. In this case the finder pockets the difference between his costs of production [minimal] and a mining company’s cost of production [value added]. It has intrinsic value because of what it is, not where it is or how it is shaped {which may be added later}.

  365. asoka. June 7, 2012 at 12:42 am #

    And one more thing…
    Over a hundred years ago, and earlier, when things were so bad economically (read about the history of bank runs) … THAT WAS WHEN WE WERE ON THE GOLD STANDARD that the gold worshipers speak of with so much reverence and it didn’t make a goddamn bit of difference.
    Monopolies continued in spite of the Sherman Antitrust Act of 1890. Social problems flourished and the middle classes became more and more unhappy, all under the precious gold standard (pun intended).
    Unsafe working conditions (see the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire in which 145 female workers were killed), exploitation of children hired to work in factories, mills, and mines for long hours in unsafe and unhealthy conditions, all that happened under the precious gold standard.
    A hundred years ago a commission found that up to 20% of the children living in cities were undernourished, education took second place to hunger and while children worked, only one-third enrolled in elementary school and less than 10% graduated from high school, all under the precious gold standard.
    Women were also striving for equality. The first suffrage parade was held in 1910 …
    Well, you get the point. Society has changed for the better in the last hundred years and it had nothing to do with gold.

  366. Bustin J June 7, 2012 at 12:43 am #

    My cunt said “I recently sold six ounces of gold for a bit over $10 grand. Bought myself a very nice slightly used Toyota pickup.”
    What is the draw of the Toyota pickup? Someone I know traded $1500 dollars worth of silver coin for an old 20R Toyota PU. Sold it a year later, smoking and misfiring, for $400. The silver doubled in value during that time.
    Cars seem like the worst possible investment. Then again to some degree it depends on how they are used. To haul gold from the mine to the smelter?

  367. messianicdruid June 7, 2012 at 12:47 am #

    “Democracy usually doesn’t count on a flood of out of state, secret and corporate special interest money to achieve its goals. Walker had a massive $31 million war chest to just $4 million on the unions side.”
    Another says:
    “Democracy died” because an election did not follow the money. The unions scrounged money from all over the United States and spent SEVEN TIMES what Walker did. Still lost. Wonder if they can figger out why?”
    If it was “secret” how did you find out about it?

  368. asoka. June 7, 2012 at 12:48 am #

    There are pieces of gold laying in a stream somewhere, right now, that merely need to be picked up and recognized for what it is {intrinsic}.
    As long as those pieces of gold are lying in that stream, they are intrinsically worthless.
    You don’t seem to get the point that gold has no intrinsic value.
    Humans have this idea in their minds that gold is worth something. That idea in human minds is what gives gold its supposed value. Intrinsically, lying in the stream, gold has zero value.

  369. messianicdruid June 7, 2012 at 12:53 am #

    “Society has changed for the better in the last hundred years and it had nothing to do with gold.”
    So why bring it up? {another strawman?} I’m not stumping for {much less “worshipping”} a “gold standard”. I’m simply pointing out that it has intrinsic value, which you deny.

  370. asoka. June 7, 2012 at 1:00 am #

    Periods of financial panic in USA history mostly happened when we were on the gold standard:
    The panic of 1792
    The panic of 1819
    The panic of 1825
    The panic of 1837
    The panic of 1847
    The panic of 1857
    The panic of 1866
    The panic of 1873
    The panic of 1884
    The panic of 1890
    The panic of 1893
    The panic of 1907
    The gold bulls are also dead wrong on hyperinflation (or even abnormally high price inflation) and that’s where they are going to run into big trouble when the gold bubble bursts. Absent the high inflation they’re expecting, sooner or later gold will fall.

  371. asoka. June 7, 2012 at 1:15 am #

    OK, MD, suppose you bought gold early at $300/oz. and someone reading you on CFN today finds a “bargain” and is buying gold today at $1350. You bought at $300 and earn an additional fat 33.3% return for every $100 that gold rises.
    The guy buying today will only earns a measly 7.4% return for every $100 gold rises beyond the $1350. For him to just equal your earnings gold will have to climb to over $5400.
    The math is simply lousy when you join the party late, even if gold’s price does move your way. I expect gold is going to go back down. Nothing goes up forever. The guy buying today could lose money on his gold investment. Please don’t mislead people about gold.

  372. BeantownBill June 7, 2012 at 1:18 am #

    I think it’s a matter of perspective. CFNers, like most people are very wrapped up in their own lives and what is happening around them.
    To truly see, one must greatly expand their mind’s eye through space and time and become more aware of the big picture. In my experience, people’s horizons are way too small. To the extent one opens themselves to the larger world, one gets a more accurate view of reality and the future.

  373. asoka. June 7, 2012 at 1:18 am #

    So why bring it up? {another strawman?}
    =======
    I bring it up because fiat money is despised on CFN and some people seem to value gold and think things would be better if we were back on the gold standard. I am destroying that notion.

  374. asoka. June 7, 2012 at 1:44 am #

    And not only that. Gasoline cost less in 2000 on a constant-dollar basis than it did in 1950.
    In 1950 the average U.S. retail price per gallon of gasoline was 26.8 cents. By 2000, it had risen $1.51 a gallon, an increase of 463%. However, adjusted for inflation, the price of gasoline in 1950 was the equivalent of $1.83 a gallon, and in 2001, $1.24. Thus in real terms, the price of gasoline dropped 32% per gallon between 1950 and 2000. (SOURCE: Congressional Research Service)
    The reduction in the cost of energy fueled the growth in GDP, personal income, productivity and longevity we have enjoyed since. Things have gotten better in the last 60 years.
    I agree with Beantown that alternatives will be embraced during our LE and the transportation fleets will never become idle.

  375. Widespreadpanic7 June 7, 2012 at 1:55 am #

    The EPA is using drones to spy on ranchers and farmers in the west (IBD, 6/7/12). Can those things be brought down with an ordinary hunting rifle, or do they fly too high? Does anybody know? Not that I would advocate such a thing. Just curious.
    –WSP7

  376. Mrs. Soake June 7, 2012 at 3:08 am #

    Hi honey,
    Although we haven’t spoken since I moved out, a correction is in order here.
    CORRECTION: SPASTIC means “of, pertaining to, or characterized by spasms.”
    Where do you get that spastic means a brave person?
    Are you stupid, or mentally ill? Actually I already know the answer…BOTH!
    Intellectual spastic describes you perfectly.
    Mrs. Soake
    P.S. I got the gold mine, you got the shaft!

  377. thefooty9 June 7, 2012 at 6:46 am #

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  378. thefooty9 June 7, 2012 at 6:49 am #

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  379. thefootj7 June 7, 2012 at 8:25 am #

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  380. welles June 7, 2012 at 8:54 am #

    The math is simply lousy when you join the party late, even if gold’s price does move your way. I expect gold is going to go back down. Nothing goes up forever. The guy buying today could lose money on his gold investment. Please don’t mislead people about gold.
    This is very poor rationale, and fails to take into account any reasons for gold’s spectacular rise over the past decade, while ‘investors’ in the US stock market have seen their holdings decimated in real terms.
    Gold will resuck one day. For the past decade it’s beaten the pants off most everything.
    Calling 7.4% ‘measley’ when savings accounts earn you less than 1% is ridiculous.
    The phrases ‘could lose money’ and ‘nothing goes up forever’ have no investment weight whatsoever.
    peace peaceniks

  381. ozone June 7, 2012 at 9:00 am #

    Good question.
    You’d need something pretty sophisticated to bring down this behemoth. (If you couldn’t simply get to the operator with a .22 pistol, loaded up with shorts. Probably the most cost-effective and quietest route.)
    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/huge-hydrogen-powered-spy-drone-takes-test-flight/story?id=16502318#.T9Cgu5iuWQk
    This blimp runs on liquid hydrogen and is designed to operate at 65,000 ft. Expensive bit of kit.
    Can’t seem to find much info on small surveillance drones, but the ones hand-carried by the military look like they’d be quite vulnerable to small arms fire. (Good skeet-shooters might be in demand. ;o)
    Just keep in mind that the last census nailed down the GPS coordinates of every home in the home of the brave. What was that all about? To make mail delivery more efficient? Yeah, that’s it!

  382. ozone June 7, 2012 at 9:21 am #

    FAA Reauthorization Act (Washington Times, Feb 7)
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/7/coming-to-a-sky-near-you/
    “According to some estimates, the commercial drone market in the United States could be worth hundreds of millions of dollars once the FAA clears their use.
    The agency projects that 30,000 drones could be in the nation’s skies by 2020.”
    There’s money in it, is there? Who woulda thunk it. How shocking.
    Eight years, eh? Will the great unwashed bear some watching by then? “Blade Runner” without all the cool tech? Place yer bets; the race is on!

  383. ozone June 7, 2012 at 9:30 am #

    Kk-hhoool, dude. I want one! (More types at page bottom.)
    http://hacknmod.com/hack/aerial-surveillance-copter-launched-from-a-mailbox/

  384. ozone June 7, 2012 at 9:31 am #

    Mailbox baseball, anyone?

  385. IxNoMor June 7, 2012 at 9:40 am #

    Zoner, you got no more right to complain than the average …
    Uh, *WHAT*?
    Oh, yeah, *on-topic*. Something you fucking trolls don’t ever want to do. SO BE IT.
    Whaddup, *SYRIA*?!? Hahahaha, let’s take that false flag/CIA/MOSSAD horseshit and bury it.
    Someone mentioned off-coast CALI oil fields, but talked about the harvests in gallons, while stating *barrels*… (SHH!!!)
    At least *ASS* *SOKER* stays off-topic, with arguments of no merit (GRATZ!).

  386. thefootb0 June 7, 2012 at 9:45 am #

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  387. Widespreadpanic7 June 7, 2012 at 9:48 am #

    What, more Hollywood fundraisers this week? How many can he possibly have? Is there any swag left in that sinkhole to suck out? Well, don’t worry, operations moving east to Sara Jessica Parkers digs in Manhattan next week. Its going to be big! What is it with this guy and show biz scumbags? Is he running for President of the Film Actors Guild?
    –WSP7

  388. Eleuthero June 7, 2012 at 9:52 am #

    Wow … just scrolling down and once the week gains momentum, there’s get-a-life Asoka commanding about 60% of the total ebb and flow of conjecture and rebuttal. Early in the week, the sane voices weigh in and then disappear, as usual. When a disingenuous, dissembling bloviator like this dominates the airwaves, it’s ta-ta time. I’m not even diving in this week.
    Michigan Native is about the only person who does not gild the lily as regards the shitstorm about to hit the United States. There are already “symptoms”. Why haven’t gasoline prices fallen commensurately with oil which has fallen from 110 to 85?? Here in CA, gas has only declined from about $4.50 to $4.29.
    China is engaging in MASSIVE direct investment in Europe to the tune of $200B annually and they’re forming trade pacts with their ancient enemy Japan. Everyone thinks that America will be able to watch the systemic collapse of Europe from the sidelines while Tim Geithner lectures other countries on how to save bankers at the expense of the commonweal.
    This year’s US budget deficit is going to be $1.2T with “hopes” that it’ll come down to “only” $800B by the end of Obama 2. If you look at debt as a percentage of GDP, we ARE Spain. Only, unlike Spain, a mounting brigade of countries have had about enough of our stupefied pretense.
    The stock market has become TOTALLY detached from day-to-day economic reality in the USA. Naturally, since the “stimuli” are not reaching the job market, the average person’s wages, or even productive enterprises, they go to the only game in town … equities … which, to quote John Hussman, have less intrinsic value than all but 0.5% of market conditions dating back to 1926.
    Anyone playing in this game will deserve the utter smacking they will get because it’s a game of musical chairs with 10 participants and 3 chairs. And those three chairs belong to Lloyd Blankfein, Jamie Dimon, and Zuck the Schmuck who doesn’t give a shit what Faceplant falls to.
    E.

  389. IxNoMor June 7, 2012 at 9:53 am #

    WSP – Can they *ever* be spotted?!…
    Your discourse is nothing but *tangential*/./
    Watch out for micro-meteorites…

  390. ozone June 7, 2012 at 9:59 am #

    Whaddup, *SYRIA*?!? Hahahaha, let’s take that false flag/CIA/MOSSAD horseshit and bury it.
    Ix,
    No, no, no; it was a perfectly logical massacre of civilians by order of Assad.
    It goes like this:
    Militia (and artillery) of Assad massacre civilians; receive international condemnation and threats of NATO intervention.
    Couple weeks go by with no true consensus on “what to do”.
    Assad initiates another civilian massacre to calm things down further and reduce danger of invasion and depose-ment/hangin’.
    See how logical?
    Is the ‘Murkin pub-lick on the gullible and uncaring side? Why noooooo; they’re engaged as engaged can be! (Wide awake, sharp and refreshed from their nap as well.)

  391. dale June 7, 2012 at 10:26 am #

    but I can’t create posts that are paranoid or incoherent. My posts are logical, intelligent, and well-formed.
    ————————————–
    How would the incoherent recognize coherence? You’ve got flies in your eyes that’s probably why you can’t see them. (points for recognizing the reference)

  392. ozone June 7, 2012 at 10:31 am #

    “China is engaging in MASSIVE direct investment in Europe to the tune of $200B annually and they’re forming trade pacts with their ancient enemy Japan. Everyone thinks that America will be able to watch the systemic collapse of Europe from the sidelines while Tim Geithner lectures other countries on how to save bankers at the expense of the commonweal.” -E.
    This, as the Treasury writes itself a small check for a piddling $100 billion every month. I know, huh? Pretty soon we’re talkin’ real money.
    Then further assurance of a solid future:
    (Under the media blanket of a little yellow activist wanting to escape into the benevolent arms of the FUSA, l’il Timmy and Big Hill arrange some meets with the Red Menace PTB.)
    “…it turns out that China can now monetize US debt directly. That’s right, the ability to print US currency is now distributed between the US and China. There is a special private line between Beijing and the US Treasury, and China can buy US Treasuries without going through any market mechanisms or making the price public. Secondly, China can now directly buy US banks. Back in the good old days attempts by foreign powers to use US Treasuries to buy equity in enterprises in the US was considered as akin to an act of war; nowadays—not so much. Basically, Hillary and Timmy went to China and said: “Take our financial system, please!” What they got is the financial equivalent of a subcutaneous morphine pump: something they give to terminal cancer patients, for continuous pain control. But what if it runs dry before the patient expires? That would be painful, wouldn’t it?” -D.O.
    Ain’t we got fun?

  393. dale June 7, 2012 at 10:42 am #

    Sorry to hear about your job loss Vlad, that can be tough for anyone over 50 these days. Mostly I regret that you will have even more time to post on the internet.
    Was the job loss part of the international jewish conspiracy, or are they just going to refill your job with affirmative action?

  394. BeingThere June 7, 2012 at 10:56 am #

    Thanks for that E.
    One has to wonder daily why China would go along with the self-destructing neoliberal system, esp. a burgeoning economy that could actually bring up a powerful middle class—all in due time, my friends.
    The over-arching fulfillment of the globalist system is to turn this country into a colony trade-zone with flattened wages with a giant “For Sale” sign for anyone whose got the real money.
    LB

  395. anti soak June 7, 2012 at 11:28 am #

    Your writing style more and more resembles JHK.
    Maybe you can make some money hawking doom, theres plenty of it to go round.

  396. anti soak June 7, 2012 at 11:30 am #

    I think the job loss post was from KRAMPS, not our beloved crank, Mr Krantz.

  397. Rhino June 7, 2012 at 12:19 pm #

    I’ve been listening to nutcase discourse about the “fascist” USA for the better part of 50 years. Boring, stupid, delusional. And more than the usual simplistic stupidness.
    I heard it a lot in my university years. Highly fashionable on campus. Still is apparently. The young folk in our clan are in universities in North America, Europe and Israel. They tell me this garbage talk is still common.
    Which indicates that there were and still are university faculties full of fools. Seriously detached from reality. It appears that the more “out there” the accusation, the more applause it garners.
    Also points to the steady corrosion in the quality of public discourse. A lot of people take this idiocy seriously. You’re not adding to the total of human wisdom and knowledge with this shit, you’re subtracting from it.
    To compare dinks like Dubya and Obama and Biden to monsters like Hitler and Himmler and Frank scales the Everests of absurdity. So does comparing the USA to Nazi Germany.
    You assume I’m American. I’ll point out the obvious again: there’s a great many people outside the USA that are fluent and literate in English and could therefore be mistaken at least over the internet for American. It’s called the Anglosphere, a worldwide linguistic community.
    I’ll point out the obvious on another point. There a historical and cultural construct out there called Western Civilization. Many, many people that have a commonality of belief and values that aren’t all that different from Americans, the United States after being a part of this civilization. And so they sound, from the things they say, like Americans.
    So I’ll say this to you. You’re American, you think the USA is fascist, you think there’s a problem with FEMA camps so why don’t YOU go fucking fix it? Moron.
    You still have a funcioning democratic system. No seriously. You do. Debased but still working. So pull your head out of your ass. If you think there’s a problem within your borders then do something about it. You, as an American, are responsible for what happens there.
    As for me I’m not in the market for cretinous horseshit.

  398. Vlad Krandz June 7, 2012 at 12:32 pm #

    As I said before, you are a consumate scumbag. No one else here comes close. And admit it, many people have told you this over the years. It’s simply the case. And you don’t really want to change: you enjoy it too much.

  399. asoka. June 7, 2012 at 12:36 pm #

    As for me I’m not in the market for cretinous horseshit.
    ===============
    That is obvious …
    You are reading and responding to my posts which are erudite.

  400. asoka. June 7, 2012 at 12:38 pm #

    ^erudite horseshit^

  401. Rhino June 7, 2012 at 12:49 pm #

    Zuck don’t give a fuck because even if his little electronic toy company faceplants, he’s already cashed out huge wads. At least from what I’ve heard. Even if he hasn’t cashed out, what could possibly happen? The company goes off a cliff and he goes from being a billionaire to having to scrape by on a measly couple hundred million. Or even a few tens of millions. Or even a few million. More than most people have to live on.
    And push comes to shove his little China doll wife is a Harvard trained MD. I’m sure she’s busy beating off megabuck offers with a stick. Can you imagine, sometime years from now an impoverished and broken Zuck suing his exasperated and soon to be ex wife for spousal support. Ha. Won’t happen. I can’t see a scenario where Zuck isn’t swimming in money.
    As far as this broken down mess of a financial system goes, this Euro idea of having Germans sharing a currency with Italians was howlingly stupid. Something that the passage of time won’t make less stupid. The ticking clock just compounds the damage.
    Time for Germany to refloat the mighty DMark and bail on this disaster. Whoever floats floats and whoever doesn’t doesn’t. That in my own estimation is what this thing has come to.
    They talk about a Grexit. Nope. IMO it’s more likely that Angela says screw this and orders the Bundesbank to crank up the printing presses.
    This calamity was only something that tall forehead expensively miseducated graduates of institutes of absurdity could have cooked up. They should hang their heads in shame for the chaos they’ve created. But they won’t. I know the type. Arrogant beyond words. They’ll rationalize and rationalize and blame everyone but themselves. Everyone else was wrong, they didn’t stick to the script.

  402. Vlad Krandz June 7, 2012 at 1:00 pm #

    This is why WW2 was fought – to make the world over for these: http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=11086
    From another angle, do you think they could have created America? Do you think they will maintain it?

  403. Vlad Krandz June 7, 2012 at 1:26 pm #

    And which is the evil empire again? Not even the Old Soviet Union arrested people for wearing crosses or praying – as sometimes happens in the “Free World”.
    One constant refrain of pols: That which unites us is greater than that which separates us. A total lie. The views and values – and the lifestyles and laws which come from them are incommensurate. One side will win. The current elite want to rule tan colored children. We want to be free men who rule ourselves. You have to choose, Cash. As it stands, you have a foot in both camps and the gap is widening. You’re gonna get a rupture!

  404. Vlad Krandz June 7, 2012 at 1:37 pm #

    Real nice, huh? This is what or ruling class is like: taking delight in our ruin. Now Dale might not be all the way in, but he sure has the right attitude.
    Btw, who you callin’ a crank cracker?

  405. Rhino June 7, 2012 at 1:46 pm #

    No, realistically the seeds for what we call America were planted by a group of people from a certain set of circumstances, with certain beliefs and ideas in a particlar time in history. And it wasn’t all created at once. It could all have gone in a different direction ie it could have come to resemble South America.
    Could it have been replicated by other people from other cultures and from other times and places? Common sense says no.
    Do I think “they” will maintain it. “They” are a mall minority.
    More to the point, do you think “we” will maintain it? No. The inheritors never do. Nothing lasts forever. The Roman Empire lasted in one guise or another from the 5th Century BC to the 15 Century AD. But it came to an end. The Roman Army had a 2,000 year continual history. No more.
    What of the Roman Catholic Church? It too has had 2,000 years. Roman Catholic priests still dress like Roman officials from many centuries ago. Pontifex maximus means chief bridge maker, the title for a Roman official. In western Europe it looks doomed. Maybe to be replaced by Islam. But the Roman Catholic Church is still growing in other parts of the world.
    Times change. Maybe in a future time the Vatican will be inhabited by an Imam, the great cultural works of the renaissance demolished for not being in keeping with Islamic belief. But maybe the Pontiff will relocate and the center of the Church will be in a different city, maybe in South America, maybe in the southern USA or maybe someplace in Africa.
    Or maybe not. Maybe the Roman Catholic Church will go the way of other faiths like Zoroastrianism. Overwhelmed and outnumbered.
    Maybe the USA will go the same way. Liberals have spent the last 50 years excusing bad behavior like the garbage on that video. So maybe they’re the ones planting the seeds for the demise of a culture based on the idea of self restraint, self disciplne. Or maybe it’s the other side of the political spectrum with their own set of absurdist ideas that sets the stage for the ruin of the US.
    I’ve read that the Etruscans had a certain set of religious beliefs part of which stated that their own civilization would come to an end. So completely did their language and culture disappear that you wonder if it was partly this belief in their own demise that did them in.
    So I hate to spread the idea of doom. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. The societies that survive are the ones that believe in themselves.

  406. Vlad Krandz June 7, 2012 at 2:03 pm #

    Is Barack on the down low? He said he “gets down farther than Michelle” when doin push ups – just like Ellen.

  407. messianicdruid June 7, 2012 at 2:14 pm #

    “I bring it up because fiat money is despised on CFN and some people seem to value gold and think things would be better if we were back on the gold standard.”
    If a tree falls in the woods and there is no one to hear it, does it make a sound?
    If a nugget of gold lays in a stream and there is no one to find it, is it still heavy?
    Forget its use as money. It is heavy because of its nature, not because someone picks it up and recognizes that it is heavy. Heavy is an intrinsic value. If you have use for something heavy, for its size, gold serves because of this characteristic.
    Don’t go off on a tangent about a “gold standard” until you understand why it can be used as a standard.

  408. Vlad Krandz June 7, 2012 at 2:16 pm #

    Thank you – a thoughtful response. I tried to shock you with Black violence but you had no problem with it. But this got you.
    The Italian resistance once hid documents from Mussolini’s thugs under a lady’s comforter. The good boys searched the room but didn’t go near the Lady on her bed. With the Germans it would have been a different story, let me tell you.
    I don’t mock really. The Germans have their own sentimentalities. And in such things Civilization is maintained.
    Yes Life will go on. Your post helped me see a bit of Light in spite of the overwhelming tragedy. Even American Whites might be welcome in parts of South America – many have already done so. And yes, the Church is growing as well as dying.

  409. messianicdruid June 7, 2012 at 2:26 pm #

    “Thus in real terms, the price of gasoline dropped 32% per gallon between 1950 and 2000. (SOURCE: Congressional Research Service)”
    I remember paying 19 cents for a gallon of gas in the middle sixties. So round it up to two silver dimes {1964}. If you had kept those two silver dimes, which are selling on ebay for:
    http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=1964+silver+dime&_sacat=0
    you could purchase at least a gallon and a half of gas. It is the value of the FRN that has changed.

  410. asoka. June 7, 2012 at 2:38 pm #

    You have to choose, Cash.
    Vlad, are you saying Rhino is Cash?
    All this time the coward has been hiding under the name Rhino? And he claims he is an ADULT!

  411. vwq6315l41 June 7, 2012 at 3:26 pm #

    ???

  412. vwq6315l41 June 7, 2012 at 3:27 pm #

    ??

  413. Cavepainter June 7, 2012 at 3:49 pm #

    Ummm,…….implicit in the meme of the self proclaimed Left is this: the American citizenry has lost entitlement to sovereignty (right of independent self determination through representative democracy) because its history isn’t pure – without blemish – of injustice to minorities. But most particularly, the American citizenry is too white and too European of culture to be allowed exclusive right to guide its own national destiny — it must therefore submit to uncontrolled immigration until it attains some unspecified “politically correct” ratio of ethnicities and races, religious diversity, etc., etc., etc.,……
    Where on the Left is mention that the undercutting of wages (loss of middle class standards) and diminishment of union power in this nation is due to not just outsourcing but to illegal immigration as well? Or, for that matter, how a so much of the residential building and remodel industry has become a shadow industry of illegal alien workforce that pays no taxes to pay for societal infrastructure that their presence in this nation overburdens.

  414. charliefoxtrot June 7, 2012 at 4:40 pm #

    …question is- and hey, prog ya moight loik thisun: “if assoaka goes alone into the same forest, and says something, is he still Impeding The Conversation…?!”

  415. Vlad Krandz June 7, 2012 at 5:05 pm #

    In other words, he has defeated you soundly. Just admit defeat – a wonderful spiritual exercise!

  416. asoka. June 7, 2012 at 5:07 pm #

    LOL!
    You are such a nice person, CFT.
    It’s always good to read what you add to the conversations, CFT. Whether your comments are about China, gold, Iran, compost, adobe, pacifism, black swans, vasectomies, gun control, solar energy, immigration, EROEI, New Urbanism, you always enrich the conversation with your thoughtful contributions. It’s good that the evil Asoka has been unable to impede you.

  417. asoka. June 7, 2012 at 5:08 pm #

    Forget its use as money.
    Exactly my point.

  418. Vlad Krandz June 7, 2012 at 5:09 pm #

    Yes. We might have been able to keep wonderful pension for public workers, but not feed and care for a hundred million minorities – and millions more abroad – and endless foreign aid – and conduct several wars at the same time. It had to give way. How could it not?

  419. asoka. June 7, 2012 at 5:14 pm #

    Can those things be brought down with an ordinary hunting rifle…
    Why would you use a hunting rifle? Of course, I am not advocating anything violent on CFN, but WSP7, why wouldn’t you (well, not you, but someone who believed in violence) just use MANPADS?
    You do have MANPADS, right? No home is truly safe from air attack without one. Some people recommend the Stinger (FIM-92). Try to get one of the more recent versions equipped with a cooled two-color, infrared-ultraviolet detector that discriminates between flares and the target.
    Stingers are able to effectively engage targets head-on, from behind and from the side. The missile’s maximum range is 4800 meters, which is comparable to the Russian Igla.
    If those nasty drones are flying low, the Stinger has a much shorter minimum range (200 meters versus the Igla’s 800 meter minimum). It is one of the fastest MANPADS missiles, traveling at Mach 2.2.
    You may still have to work on getting the NRA (you are a member of NRA, correct?) behind a MANPADS campaign to guarantee our 2nd amendment rights to protect ourselves and our home from drones, as is our constitutional right.
    Oh, and while you’re at it, you can pick up a nice stinger missile carrying case.
    [sarcasm off]
    Of course, in reality I am not advocating anyone to engage in destruction of government property. But we are not in reality here. We are in CFN fantasy land.

  420. Smokyjoe June 7, 2012 at 5:15 pm #

    “Ever wonder what it might be like to live in a world without consequences?”
    Just watch any number of sickeningly popular post-apocalyptic movies and TV series. We have become a people in love with the End Times.
    It’s as if we are preparing for it now, before the lights go out. It makes me ill that we prefer that to the hard work of keeping what JHK calls “the project of civilization” going.

  421. asoka. June 7, 2012 at 5:21 pm #

    No, he has danced around saying not everyone is American, not everyone speaks English, etc. instead of manning up to who he really is. He disgusts me with his subterfuge, and even so he was unable to effectively counter my arguments, while making me fight world war II all over again. I trusted he was an honest person, though an admitted mass murderer of children. Now the truth is out. He is worse.

  422. asoka. June 7, 2012 at 5:26 pm #

    Project of civilization? You’ve got to be kidding?
    How many people did white civilized Germans and white Russians kill in the 20th century? 10 million?
    How many heads did the civilized British crack open when faced with nonviolent resistance?
    Gandhi’s quote is still the best, when asked by a reporter what he thought of Western civilization:
    “What do I think of Western civilisation? I think it would be a very good idea.”

  423. Buck Stud June 7, 2012 at 5:54 pm #

    You single out “the left” for illegal immigration when illegal immigration absolutely exploded during the George W Bush era. In fact, especially for the right, illegal immigration is an economic wedge to drive down the cost of labor. Case in point: you don’t really believe Ronald Reagan was acting on behalf of “The Left” as you assert – “the American citizenry has lost entitlement to sovereignty (right of independent self determination through representative democracy) because its history isn’t pure – without blemish – of injustice to minorities” – when he signed into law legal status for millions of illegal immigrants back in the 80s?
    Now I will agree that some on the left smell an electoral coup via illegal immigration but you’re overall assertion for the cause of illegal immigration is ridiculous at best.

  424. BeantownBill June 7, 2012 at 6:18 pm #

    Sigh. I’m not thrilled when I agree with you, but right is right. I don’t buy the 100 million minorities, but I agree with the principle. We can’t give out endless entitlements while waging endless war, and we can’t continue giving away our money to the banksters who are stealing from us. I don’t know how much we pay out annually in foreign aid, but it is dwarfed by the $trillion the last round of wars has cost us and the $800 billion from TARP. All this could end very simply by a constitutional amendment mandating a balanced budget.

  425. asoka. June 7, 2012 at 6:19 pm #

    the American citizenry has lost entitlement to sovereignty (right of independent self determination through representative democracy) because its history isn’t pure – without blemish – of injustice to minorities.
    Did you mean to say “the WHITE American citizenry”?
    Because “the American citizenry” still has sovereignty, still has self-determination.
    The face of the American citizenry is changing and that is what threatens you.
    But you got it right about your injustice (it’s not just historical, it’s ongoing) to minorities.
    And you are going to pay for it, as is only fair. I’m glad you are beginning to see the light, along with George W., McCain, Reagan, and all the others who have helped allow more and more immigrants into America. That is what America is: a land of immigrants.
    We will never stop immigration, LEGAL or ILLEGAL. In fact, many Republicans favor the Dream Act as a way of guaranteeing national security and a steady supply of laborers.
    So the left and the right are down with immigrants getting rights. It’s the American Way.

  426. asoka. June 7, 2012 at 6:22 pm #

    FORMATTING CORRECTION

    the American citizenry has lost entitlement to sovereignty (right of independent self determination through representative democracy) because its history isn’t pure – without blemish – of injustice to minorities.

    Did you mean to say “the WHITE American citizenry”?
    Because “the American citizenry” still has sovereignty, still has self-determination.
    The face of the American citizenry is changing and that is what threatens you.
    But you got it right about your injustice (it’s not just historical, it’s ongoing) to minorities.
    And you are going to pay for it, as is only fair. I’m glad you are beginning to see the light, along with George W., McCain, Reagan, and all the others who have helped allow more and more immigrants into America. That is what America is: a land of immigrants.
    We will never stop immigration, LEGAL or ILLEGAL. In fact, many Republicans favor the Dream Act as a way of guaranteeing national security and a steady supply of laborers.
    So the left and the right are down with immigrants getting rights. It’s the American Way.

  427. charliefoxtrot June 7, 2012 at 6:35 pm #

    …well, i did recently read that china is at least considering trading gold for oil to iran; i personally feel that could make compost of the dollar as international reserve funds…i m sure this could somehow be linked to an investment bubble in adobe- related materials…i m sure in the aftermath, pacifism will lead to black swans for many- at least to themselves…many of the survivors will be pointless, having had vasectomies in self-rightous spasms; and will have no gun control, which anybody knows is hitting the bullseye at fifty paces 4 out of 5 times…i have previously discussed my views re solar energy and immigration- in fact i m still waiting for a reply to two of my early questions to you…you inadvertantly helped make the popular chirrun’s song; and i suppose i could summon, at great cost to my sense of architecture and propriety, the barest necessary energy required to give the smallest of fucks about ‘new urbanism’…if i tried really, Really, REALLY hard…so no, the [and since i don t like labels, i won t call you ‘evil’] Resident Impediment, well, hasn t…

  428. charliefoxtrot June 7, 2012 at 6:39 pm #

    …so fuck off with your smarmy little passive- agressive snark

  429. Buck Stud June 7, 2012 at 7:11 pm #

    To truly see, one must greatly expand their mind’s eye through space and time and become more aware of the big picture. In my experience, people’s horizons are way too small. To the extent one opens themselves to the larger world, one gets a more accurate view of reality and the future.

    Interesting post Beantown. In many ways you’re talking about meditation, or at least the particular sitting practice that I engage in. Paradoxically, a narrowing down of focus during meditation is exactly what spurs the mind to become distracted by any given thought such as paying a bill, changing the oil, what’s for dinner, etc. To be truly present and aware -acessing the “mindstream” – the mind needs to relax and expand in order which is exactly what is not typically associated with focus and concentration. So although obsession and neurosis might share some mental characteristics with and be confused with a “focused” mind, it’s a narrow and rigid type of focus not at all conducive to the “expansive” type of vision you mention. In short, obsessions are condensed “motion-of-the mind” type distractions which blurs awareness and nullifies the ability to be present in the moment.
    Of course words are ridiculously cumbersome and the actual doing is what creates true realization as opposed to the type of speculative writing that I’ve just engaged in.

  430. asoka. June 7, 2012 at 7:23 pm #

    I gave you a perfect set up, but you must not have felt the return worth an investment of energy, EROEI. Nice try though. If you can’t take “passive aggressive” heat, stay the hell out of the CFN kitchen. Oh! He’s impeding again! LOL!

  431. Vlad Krandz June 7, 2012 at 7:27 pm #

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  432. Vlad Krandz June 7, 2012 at 7:33 pm #

    What are you talking about? He’s not a mass murderer just because he’s not a pacifist. Stop being so creepy.
    The Muslims say that Christ and his message of introversion and non-violence taught the way to the Other World – whole Mohamamad and his laws annent family, wealth, and war taught the way in both worlds, Here and There.
    And even Christ himself made a whip of cords and drove the moneychangers out of temple.

  433. Cavepainter June 7, 2012 at 7:42 pm #

    Right, Left, Tweeddledum, Tweeddledee. Left once referred to the Enlightenment tradition of willingness to critically examine the reasoning behind any and all opinion. Today though, Left no longer is about Free Thought but has instead devolved down to a slate of political positions that must be accepted en total. That is, Left now translates to a framed doctrinal political position no less than is charged against the Right by the self righteous Left.
    Marking distinction between immigrants on basis of legal or illegal is an awkward technical point for the Left, so it is scrubbed away from reference. Implicitly, there is no distinction between citizen and non-citizen. Implicitly: no national sovereignty. Implicitly: no national borders. Implicitly: no exclusive right to the citizenry for controlling national destiny. Implicitly: no representational democracy wherein the will of the citizenry is framed into law. Implicitly: immigration laws crafted and framed into law by elected representatives must default to however many foreign nationals choose to ignore them.
    Nice; dog-chasing tail circuitous thinking.
    But then there is the moral trump card served up by the Left: America must surrender sovereign rights by some unspecified degree as penance for perceived historical wrongs as judged against some unspecified position on 21st Century Political Correctness. Doubled, of course, by the no less vague notion of America not having the correct formulation of color, religion, ethnicity, race, etc., etc., etc.
    Now tell me, how is that different from the Right’s self-righteous “family values” stance?
    I allign with practically all criticism made on this site about American foreign and domestic policy, just don’t try to entrane me with any particular partisan spin.

  434. charliefoxtrot June 7, 2012 at 7:43 pm #

    did you forget, or somehow miss, the song we made up? eeh ahr oh eeh eye…? look back in the previous installments; it s worth it…whatevahr, rest assured i didn t leave anything out (i refer to the song) and you can stand/sit corrected yet again…hose…

  435. anti soak June 7, 2012 at 8:44 pm #

    Indeed. If you can, listen to Public Radio. Ian Masters [himself an anti white immigrant] is aghast at ‘Wisconsin’. Never, never a mention of
    ‘Numbers’, legal or otherwise!

  436. anti soak June 7, 2012 at 8:48 pm #

    Words of foolishness of the day:
    ‘Now I will agree that some on the left smell an electoral coup via illegal immigration’ [buck]
    Some, some!? It was cantankerous Vladdie who noted
    ‘The Dems are winning, we import millions of em each year’!
    Did you read the posts I posted on Obamas adding more even beyond what is legally allowable.

  437. Buck Stud June 7, 2012 at 9:40 pm #

    Cave,
    I want to take you seriously, and believe that you’re an objective observer concerning the following:

    Right, Left, Tweeddledum, Tweeddledee.

    And this
    But then you use almost the entirety of your post slamming ” The Left”. In fact I counted five ” The Left” and four “implicitly”.
    So onto this assertion:

    But then there is the moral trump card served up by the Left: America must surrender sovereign rights by some unspecified degree as penance for perceived historical wrongs as judged against some unspecified position on 21st Century Political Correctness.

    Since you’ve about used up your “implicit” quota please provide a source or stated policy by someone on the left to EXPLICITLY corroborate your above assertion.

  438. Buck Stud June 7, 2012 at 9:46 pm #

    just don’t try to entrane me with any particular partisan spin.

    Ok…no partisan spin then…” the left, the left, the left, the left, the left…implicitly implicitly,implicitly, implicitly”.
    The above is weighed and measured by the FOX News “Fair and Balanced” scales.

  439. BeantownBill June 7, 2012 at 9:50 pm #

    I’ve always had the ability to look at things both narrowly and widely at the same time. I’ve meditated many times, but it doesn’t do too much for me. Maybe I’m not doing it correctly; or maybe my mind just isn’t built to accomodate it.
    Sometimes, when I really get deep into whatever I’m doing, my mind feels like it’s free-floating and the rest of the world goes away. Perhaps this is akin to meditation.
    When I Sit and do nothing but breath deeply with my eyes closed, I let thoughts flash by on the screen in my mind, and eventually the mental ticker-tape becomes blank. I come out of it feeling rested, but but when I re-enter the world, it’s as if I never was away – in other words, it doesn’t seem to have any real affect on me.

  440. Buck Stud June 7, 2012 at 9:53 pm #

    And some on the right have traditionally Hispanic immigration – specifically those from Cuba, PR and conservative Catholics from Mexico and elsewhere – as a electoral advantage.
    The problem with you is you view all Hispanics as one monolithic voting bloc. And nothing could be more foolish.

  441. anti soak June 7, 2012 at 10:34 pm #

    I doubt newbees vote Repugnican!
    Certainly the ‘unwashed masses’ here in California dont.
    Do the Cuban immigres? Are they ‘hispanic’? Often they are part black [that I got from a marielito!, actually he said ‘all thats left in Cuba are
    “the Nubians, everyone else has fled”].
    What does Hispanic mean or translate to [as a word?]
    Peter Brimelow in his best seller of 20+ years ago gave an eloquent denunciation of the word.
    I do see immigration as having wrecked this nation,
    ill offer that generality.

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  444. progress2conserve June 7, 2012 at 11:19 pm #

    “I do see immigration as having wrecked this nation’,
    -antiS-
    You are right about that, antiS, from the Reagan’s amnesty to today – America is slowly being destroyed by overpopulation and a vanishing common culture.
    Go ahead and gloat, all Haters of Western Civilization.
    Speaking of which – –
    ===================
    I find my desire to post to CFN slowly waning. This has been a particularly useless week here – mostly courtesy of asoka..
    Just as there is a limit to the number of people that one can love, there is a limit to the amount of bull shit that one can scroll over,

  445. Cavepainter June 7, 2012 at 11:27 pm #

    For decades I’ve not expected anything from the Right except idealogue diatribe, but my ire at the Left is that by ossifying itself into just another political dogma it has betrayed the principles of it label’s origin.
    Thanks for your comments; I sense you weigh them carefully and express them respectfully. This site would benefit from less vitriol.

  446. xiantravel June 8, 2012 at 12:17 am #

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  447. Buck Stud June 8, 2012 at 12:20 am #

    In general I can’t disagree with your tag of the left. For instance, how can the left open the door to cheap, undocumented labor on one hand while claiming to be pro labor/union on the other? It’s simply incoherent.

  448. asoka. June 8, 2012 at 12:27 am #

    there is a limit to the amount of bull shit that one can scroll over…
    Thanks for revealing who you really are. You talk about dialog and conversation, but for that to really happen you have to at least read and try to understand points of view different from yours.
    You have just admitted that you scroll over, which is antithetical to conversation. It actually impedes conversation. You are an impediment by your own admission.
    We have a huge barrel of wine, but no cups. That is fine with us. Every morning we glow and in the evening we glow again. They say there is no future for us. They are right. Which is fine with us. — Rumi (translated by Coleman Barks)
    Coleman is in Georgia, P2C. Sometime is you get a chance to hear one of his Rumi poetry presentations you should go. Powerful stuff.

  449. asoka. June 8, 2012 at 12:36 am #

    Buck Stud, I was listening to Rachel Maddow interviewing a democratic Ohio politician on MSNBC, and the democrat mentioned his website.
    At the end of the interview Rachel said: “Since you mentioned your website, in the interest of fairness I am going to give the URL of the website of your Republican opponent.”
    And she did, and the democrat said: “Whoa, how did you pick that out of the air?” And Rachel replied that she had visited the opponent’s web site and read the opponent’s positions as preparation for the interview, and noted down the URL. Then she added, “Your opponent is welcome on this program any time he wants to be interviewed.”
    I thought to myself:
    “That would never happen on FoxNews.” They would never promote a democrat. They would never give the URL of a democratic website. They would not provide an open invitation to a democratic opponent to appear for an interview during an interview with a Republican.
    Fox is not truly fair and balanced.

  450. asoka. June 8, 2012 at 12:48 am #

    how can the left open the door to cheap, undocumented labor on one hand while claiming to be pro labor/union on the other? It’s simply incoherent.
    No it’s not. Undocumented labor should be given an opportunity to work toward citizenship. Immigrants should also have the chance to organize, form unions, negotiate better working conditions, and improve their lives, just like everyone else has.
    It’s not like we have a lack of problems that need to be addressed. We need all the workers we can get to do all the work that needs to be done, and not only in agriculture. In transport, in health care, in manufacturing, in service industries, in housing, in clothing, etc.
    We need to be spending more on those things and less of “defense” and weapons. The money is there (being wasted by the MIC), the human needs are there. All we have to do is get our priorities straight and open the doors to immigrants and work together to solve our problems.

  451. asoka. June 8, 2012 at 1:20 am #

    Peak Oil?
    SINGAPORE — Oil prices fell to near $83 a barrel Friday in Asia…
    Peak Oil? Shouldn’t less oil mean prices going up?
    Weren’t CFNers predicting $200/barrel oil by 2012?
    SINGAPORE — Oil prices fell to near $83 a barrel Friday in Asia…

  452. asoka. June 8, 2012 at 1:29 am #

    Go ahead and gloat, all Haters of Western Civilization.
    What Western Civilization? You wouldn’t even have what you have if it weren’t for EASTERN CIVILIZATION.
    It is often assumed that since Ancient Greek times Europeans have pioneered their own development, and that the East has been a passive by-stander in the story of progressive world history.
    What actual happened is the Rise of the ‘Oriental West’: First, each major developmental turning point in Europe was informed in large part by the assimilation of Eastern inventions (e.g. ideas, technologies and institutions) which diffused from the more advanced East across the Eastern-led global economy between 500–1800.
    Second, the construction of European identity after 1453 led to imperialism, through which Europeans appropriated many Eastern resources (land, labour and markets).
    Without the older civilizations of the East there would be no Western Civilization, such as it is.

  453. asoka. June 8, 2012 at 1:35 am #

    CORRECTION
    Without the older, MORE ADVANCED civilizations of the East there would be no Western Civilization, such as it is.
    CFN is largely operating out a Eurocentric myth of the West and its so-called “western civilization”

  454. asoka. June 8, 2012 at 1:54 am #

    Romney was fascinated with police uniforms, which he sometimes put on to carry out elaborate practical jokes.
    According to a report from National Memo, Romney was open about this practice, telling fellow students at Stanford University, where he studied for two years, that he “sometimes disguised himself as a police officer.”
    According to classmate Robin Madden, Romney once brought a group of classmates up to his dorm room where he showed them his Michigan State Trooper’s uniform.
    From the National Memo report:

    Said Madden in a recent interview, “He told us that he had gotten the uniform from his father,” George Romney, then the Governor of Michigan, whose security detail was staffed by uniformed troopers. “He told us that he was using it to pull over drivers on the road. He also had a red flashing light that he would attach to the top of his white Rambler.”

    In Madden’s recollection, confirmed by his wife Susan, who also attended Stanford during those years, “we thought it was all pretty weird. We all thought, ‘Wow, that’s pretty creepy.’ And after that, we didn’t have much interaction with him,” although both Madden and Romney were prep school boys living in the same dorm, called Rinconada.

    Isn’t impersonating a police officer, umm, what’s the word? Oh, yes, isn’t it ILLEGAL?
    Just more “hijinks” like holding down a classmate and forcibly cutting his hair? Like putting your pet dog on the roof of your car and driving for 12 hours? Laughing closing factories and throwing people out of work (“I like to fire people” and “I don’t care about the poor”)
    At some point some people may begin to ask questions about Romney’s character and judgement, independent of the number of wives he has or his weird religious beliefs.

  455. Vlad Krandz June 8, 2012 at 1:58 am #

    They have Democrats on every night Nimrod. And there’s standing invitation for Obama to come on too. But like other high ranking Democrates, he’s not getting within a mile of the place. He wants a compliant media which tosses underhand throws to him.
    Remember Biden’s rage when a journalist had the temerity to ask a real question – namely what the hell he was talking about Obama having a spine of steel, etc. Biden spat back “Who is writing your questions”? The whole story of the media is thus exposed.

  456. asoka. June 8, 2012 at 2:26 am #

    And there’s standing invitation for Obama to come on too. But like other high ranking
    =============
    Yeah, it’s a scoop and a newsmaker to have HIGH RANKING officials. I wasn’t talking about that.
    Rachel Maddow was issuing her invitation to a Republican who is out-of-office, a challenger, and is running for a LOW RANKING office.
    Fox News doesn’t do that for Democratic challengers, nor do they share Democrats’ URL web site addresses to provide fairness and balance.

  457. Senneth June 8, 2012 at 3:56 am #

    Prog,
    I am also getting tired of just scrolling by Asoka’s garbage. When I first came here four or so years ago I enjoyed reading his posts because I, too, am a liberal. But his “multitudes” have so expanded that he has pretty much hijacked this site.
    The same can be said for Vlad – both of them. I don’t read either one.
    The interesting posters like LBennett, you, E, Ozone, Welles, etc. are “outshouted” by continual rants of racism (on both sides) and other long-winded whatevers make it difficult to navigate this site.
    If LBennett hadn’t come back and if I didn’t enjoy reading her and the others so much I would make like Cash, Wage, and others and leave.
    It would be nice if Alexandra, Tripp, Myrtle, and others would post again so as to dilute the bilge of the people who overpost. I’m not holding my breath though because this blog seems to be spiraling down the drain.
    BTW I’m glad Met/Mika and his discriminatory rants have left. While I’m not a Catholic, I was getting rather tired of the all the problems in the universe being laid at their (the RC church) door. 🙂

  458. Michigan Native June 8, 2012 at 4:35 am #

    Thank you. I ignore flamers, but when it seems that most cannot so much as grasp the gravity of the situation we are faced with, I have switched to the “flame” mode every now and then..just for laughs. The situation we are facing is not funny, so I will not ask the band the fiddles while the Titanic goes down to distract us anymore.
    You had mentioned what may be or is an apparent glut of methane. I was trying to figure out where this abundance came from after a near life threatening shortage in 2003. FRACKING and horizontal drilling was the answer. Google Richard Heinberg’s “The End Of Growth” on youtube and see where this “abundance” has come from.
    I never meant to disagree with you or anything like that, I just took the readings and words or others to heart and at one point, hoped that we had some cure or fix that would buy us time. I merely was questioning if what I had read by Kunstler, Ruppert, Orlov, and Heinberg….all gifted men who have no axe to grind, could be wrong. Looks like time will vindicate them as well as the rogue petroleum geologists who influenced them……Hubbert, Colin Campbell
    I hope natural gas and coal can buy us time, but reality……………… aside that these “magic bullets” will create more long term problems than tghey hope to solve

  459. Eleuthero June 8, 2012 at 5:00 am #

    MN said:
    I hope natural gas and coal can buy us time, but reality……………… aside that these “magic bullets” will create more long term problems than tghey hope to solve
    ***************************************************************
    It’s just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. The problem is that utilities will soon, for the first time, emit more than 50% of their power from natgas as they are switching en masse out of coal since natgas is now so cheap. However, that switcheroo will simply make natgas deplete rapidly.
    The USA is already at a point where environmental considerations from fracking will take a seat at the back of the auditorium due to our monster energy needs. Of course, unlike petroleum, geological estimates of the number of cubic meters of natgas in a well are notoriously unreliable. We get no nice Hubbert Peak and mathematically computable ramp-down. It just stops on a dime.
    Other “environmental” solutions like electric cars are actually an even crueler hoax since a mass movement to them would create such electricity demand that utilities would bend, buckle, and break under the load. They would actually increase the necessity to return to dirty coal burning because we wouldn’t want to shoot our “bounty” of natgas on a nationwide fleet of Chevy Volts and Teslas.
    Just as the Fed merely postpones and worsens the ultimate austerity that faces us, our refusal to live differently merely worsens the burn rate of our resources.
    E.

  460. Michigan Native June 8, 2012 at 5:12 am #

    Asoka should have learned from his parent’s advice and used birth control. Ignore anything he or aliases like him have to say and he will fall in love with his rubber doll along with Dale, buck “stud”, or other social rejects and ignoramuses and they will be gone.

  461. Michigan Native June 8, 2012 at 5:18 am #

    Exactly. So it may be a choice between avoiding frost bite and hypothermia in the winter vs lethal, toxic drinking water? I want to say how many ways are we screwed….

  462. BeingThere June 8, 2012 at 8:34 am #

    Morning CFN…
    Coupla things.
    First someone said that the illegal immigration is what’s destroyed this country. This country is facing a myriad of problems from rampant institutionalized corruption. One that allows for no regulation of those who break the law in the financial realm where they have changed the laws so nothing they do is ever criminal.
    A two-party system that’s completely failing to provide leadership. A campaign finance environment where the richest among us auction our politics and the stupid polity listens to their red-meat commercials.
    Other issues just as important are the huge population in relation to food energy and the basics for survival: thus a destruction of the ecosystem that we need to survive.
    In respect to immigration, it’s part of the big picture of the globalist inverted communism drive: a global neoliberal philosophy of endless growth that isn’t possible, and the need by the top CEO’s to make the most amount of money possible reducing workers to slaves.
    We are also getting students from around the world at our universities and don’t want them bringing information back to their countries of origin because of the competition aspect—and you know we hate competition.
    We’ve created a base of industry in China and that’s where innovation takes place. In the meantime we get the Neoliberal cant about how we will all be innovators and se need a million Steve Jobs’s.—What universe these folks live in is anybody’s guess–but hey, they make oodles of bucks blowing smoke up our petotooties.
    Back in the ’70’s I remember the state dept. made it hard for Europeans to immigrate here because they said it was to protect the jobs of the college educated, now we realize they are building a slave class and we will all be joining them soon.
    Believe you me, I have not even scratched the surface of what’s destroying this country—try as you all might to demonize the left or the right.
    _________________
    Senneth–thanks for the comps.

  463. ozone June 8, 2012 at 8:37 am #

    “The USA is already at a point where environmental considerations from fracking will take a seat at the back of the auditorium due to our monster energy needs.” -E.
    This is what I’ve observed too.
    Very few in this doomed republic seem to understand what “needs” are anymore. The way the majority of us live is not based on needs whatsoever; it’s based on [energy] gluttony. It pushes all the buttons of bodily contentment and appetite satiation that couldn’t possibly be dreamt of by kings in the past.
    I predict a strong resistance to ever giving up these luxuries, so they’ll [of necessity] be blown away by the harsh winter winds of privation and scarcity.
    I’m forced by the evidence of my own eyes to cast aside false hopes and prepare as best I can for a shitstorm of madness from those who believe it to be “somebody else’s fault I can’t have what I want” (insanely stated as NEED). (The old, “you can’t get blood from a stone” chestnut comes to mind in this case.)
    Like yourself and MN, the only way out is going to be through. (This is also why I discount the “race” angle. Those who focus on it will pursue it; there’s nothing I can do about it. I will not engage in mindless and senseless slaughter, I can only resist the inevitable attempt at enslavement that will follow, no matter the “winner” of such mindless warfare. For the same reason, I will resist religious movements that demand absolute fealty; an enslavement of mind and body.)
    Here’s HOPING that some of those that actually know how to think and do useful things survive; if not, it’s barbaric reset or extinction. Oh, the waste, the terrible waste, and what could have been…

  464. charliefoxtrot June 8, 2012 at 8:44 am #

    (sqirming in seat and waving hand urgently in air) i know! I know! the answer is 70… which is one more than is legal, or even physically possible in 160+ [troops deployed in 100+ countries] states of the union (sic)…!

  465. ozone June 8, 2012 at 8:52 am #

    BT/LB,
    Yeah… what YOU said. ;o)

  466. ozone June 8, 2012 at 8:59 am #

    Charlie,
    lol
    70, eh?
    Don’t even want to start reading down that list of “the ways”! (The few in the forefront are daunting enough.)
    Carry on!

  467. BeingThere June 8, 2012 at 9:02 am #

    Yeah, O
    When the energy depletion rears its ugly head, all things right and left, racial or any other artificial divisions will not be relevant.
    Survival will be in the forefront and anyone that can get you there will be who you will align with.
    I for one will not give a flying F who their parents were.

  468. ozone June 8, 2012 at 9:16 am #

    As per usual, you’re making it very difficult for me to disagree with you! ;o)

  469. BeingThere June 8, 2012 at 9:18 am #

    And Round!
    Amen
    ______________________
    See/listen to Max Keiser today on “Planet Ponzi” interviewing author Mitch Feierstein, hedge fund manager.
    about global ponzi schemes, asymmetric hedging and whether or not hedge funds do any ‘good.’

  470. welles June 8, 2012 at 9:18 am #

    Yeah we get it, everything is self-referential & relative & non-delineated.
    This is no new discovery, self-annointed philosophers have been shouting this for eons.
    Shut up.
    peace peaceniks

  471. charliefoxtrot June 8, 2012 at 9:49 am #

    …what you both said…@FKALB: on that note, i ve been trying to strengthen ties with my immediate neighbors; trading yardwork, mechanical advice/help, etc…he s not black or anything; but IS a neck-tie-wearing-republican- so gets the same initial repugnance flad seems to feel about color…but a little overlooking of differences could make all the difference in the world- or the end of same…cheers everybody, i m scheduled for the second heat in the rat race today…hey, at least i made the finals!

  472. dale June 8, 2012 at 10:39 am #

    Despite extensive news coverage of what was widely portrayed as a disappointing government jobs report last Friday, Americans are about as likely to describe it as “mixed” (40%) as to say it is “negative” (42%), with a small minority characterizing it as “positive” (9%). But Americans who view the report as negative are more likely to say it was somewhat negative rather than very negative. ——-Gallup Polling Report
    ——————————-
    WELL, I just feel so much more INFORMED now, don’t you?

  473. dale June 8, 2012 at 10:59 am #

    Of course, in reality I am not advocating anyone to engage in destruction of government property. But we are not in reality here. We are in CFN fantasy land.
    ———————————-
    It’s just a matter of personal freedom, we should all be allowed to own medium range intercontinental ballistic missiles. But I’m not crazy or anything, you should only be allowed single warheads, no MERV’s.

  474. asoka. June 8, 2012 at 11:09 am #

    You one of those libruls who believes in gun control?
    I’ll tell you what gun control is: accuracy with MIRVs at 5,000 miles.

  475. Widespreadpanic7 June 8, 2012 at 11:51 am #

    Hey Rhino, as far as Germany reestablishing the ‘Duetchmark’, what we need to worry about is if they decide to reestablish the ‘Reichsmark’!! That’d be an event worth noting.
    What I’m trying to figure out is what’s the difference between a Greenwich, CT hedge fund 1%er, who everybody hates, and a rich Hollywood Showbiz Queer who can afford to plunk down $40,000 every week for a fundraising dinner with Barak Hussein Obama at George Clooney’s house. Is there a difference? Maybe somebody can fill me in.
    –WSP7

  476. anti soak June 8, 2012 at 11:53 am #

    Brimelow in his best seller noted there are limits!
    ‘there is a limit to the number of people that one can love’
    There is a definite limit to the number of people that can fit in a lifeboat otherwise it will sink.
    Brimelow noted that a country is like a lifeboat.
    Around LA, I notice more and more Russians, Muslim women in head scarfs, Indians [dot, not feather] etcetc.

  477. dale June 8, 2012 at 11:58 am #

    “Goon From The Moon” Winner Announced
    While Asoka may never win, on the basis of any individual comment, his “body of work” does deserve recognition. His relentless use of “logic” to persuade us that up is down, right is left, and north is south, are indeed admirable, and truly in the spirit of internet content quality. Besides, having grown up left-handed in a right-handed world, I think I have a teensy bit of insight into the origin of his issues.
    Widespreadpanic7, (are there no less than six more) deserves at least the silver medal for being a seething and swollen pustule of inflamed relentless rage and hostility. I can only imagine he retired after a career in a service profession. Only forty years or more of saying, between gritted teeth, “thank you sir, and please come again” could produce such galactic acrimony.
    “Most Improved” has to go Dear Leader Xiantravel, with enlightenment producing paragraphs like this:
    “Analysts additionally acknowledgmented that the banging e-business bazaar amidst . has likewise had a abrogating aftereffect aanimald the advantage of cyberbankings bankers that accomplish amidst the acceptable administration channels.”
    Wow! That sure emptied my mind of duality. I’m beginning to wonder if this site is being used to communicate some form of Chinese corporate espionage directives, or is this just an example of a Chinese/English translation software “solution”.
    And drumroll please TADA! The winner of the “Goon for the Moon” Award for early June is:
    Charliefoxtrot, who had the insight to tell himself…”so fuck off with your smarmy little passive-aggressive snark.” Way to go!! Those are the kind of debate skills that makes the internet so lively! I can’t wait to see how you respond to yourself. Errr….How many times DID you watch “Fight Club”, Tyler?
    Sorry to all you who didn’t cut it this week, maybe you’ll have better luck next time…..and for fucksakes get over yourselves already! Ever silly notion that pops into your head isn’t worth even YOU taking seriously, much less the rest of us. Learn to view your thoughts as actors on a stage. Kick back, have a beer, relax, let go……what really matters…..ain’t here. Cheers!

  478. anti soak June 8, 2012 at 12:02 pm #

    Way back when, both Japan and Europe had their manufacturing capacity destroyed by war.
    However European nations did not [in the 1950s] ‘open the floodgates’. Not yet, at least.
    The Pope has said ‘America should welcome the stranger’!!!. [add more Mexican Catholics I guess]
    We cant unscramble the egg.
    US has added 100,000,000 since 1965.
    And our manufacturing is being off shored.
    Manufacturing could, in theory, be brought back.

  479. progress2conserve June 8, 2012 at 12:04 pm #

    “First someone said that the illegal immigration is what’s destroyed this country.”
    -bt-
    Li,
    There are only 10 mentions of “illegal immigration” on this week’s thread – up to this point, and none of these said anything about “ruining the country.”
    What antiS said, that I backed him up on, is that “immigration” is ruining this country.
    Look, the problems caused by “illegal immigration” are miniscule, and easily reversed – compared to the problems caused by excessive “legal” immigration. ?*
    When a thoughtful and intelligent person, such as yourself, accidentally substitutes and/or confuses these two different issues, it shows how far gone rational public discourse is in these United States. (no offense intended)
    Until the country realizes that TOTAL population growth is running at 3,000,000+ per year, totally due to immigration from all sources – and that this is the, easily addressed, origin of many problems the country faces –
    There is little hope of turning anything around.
    “The CEO of the New Jersey-based PC Tech computer training school and the owner of a consulting firm have been charged by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents for student visa fraud.” *?Note that this case is “legal immigration,” since visas are involved.
    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/june-6-2012/ceo-tech-school-nj-charged-visa-fraud.html

  480. anti soak June 8, 2012 at 12:09 pm #

    You have been ‘with us’ [as a poster] for a few weeks?
    A few weeks ago Kyoostik [once known here as Qstik]
    accused Asoka of posting as Asoka, Hansen and one other name, in order to have a conversation of sorts, with an intentional misspelling to ‘make it seem real’!!!!!!!!

  481. BeingThere June 8, 2012 at 12:19 pm #

    progress2conserve,
    I sent you an email. Please check.

  482. Rhino June 8, 2012 at 12:20 pm #

    All this time the coward … Asoka.
    Oooooh, Asoka called me a coward. Fucking hilarious.
    Here’s something even more hilarious penned by Asoka in one of his posts on this site on June 4/12 12:02 am:
    Third, without entering into details, my life has been threatened several times, including in a war zone where soldiers were carrying machine guns. I have never altered my belief in nonviolent response in any of those life-threatening situations.
    My life has been saved several times by creative, spontaneous and nonviolent response.
    End of quote
    Sidesplitting. Asoka the intrepid world traveller, courageous and resolutely non-violent, fending off hard-eyed men by means of his rapier wit. No doubt your dazzling verbal trickery left them arguing among themselves while you calmly walked away, smiling grimly.
    War zone my ass. Nice work of fiction.
    You know what I think? Just speculating here, or extrapolating from the howling bullshit you post but I’ll bet you really have been south of the Rio Grande the odd time, but mostly to avail yourself of cut rate.. ahem… “services” provided by the local lovelies. And I’ll bet the only contact you’ve had with armed banditos is with revolver wielding madams. As I said, just guessing. But am I right? That’s ok you’ve embarrassed yourself enough for one week so you don’t have to tell us.
    As far as identity goes, this is an anonymous blog and I like my anonymity. If you feel it necessary to disclose your personal identity and personal details be my guest. This after all is the internet, a perfectly good place for boneheads to divulge all there is to know about themselves. So go ahead.
    Oh, one other thing. We still haven’t heard your thundering denunciation of Imperial Japan for trying to produce a nuclear weapon during World War Two. Go ahead. We’re waiting.

  483. progress2conserve June 8, 2012 at 12:24 pm #

    “When the energy depletion rears its ugly head, all things r