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Plotz kicked it off by introducing Mr. Assange as “the eminence greasy of Wikileaks,” a cute twist on the French phrase éminence grise (gray eminence, i.e. an elder statesman, pronounced eminence greez, and he knows it). Bazelon offered her explanation for Ecuador’s eagerness to be rid of Mr. Assange: “He was acting like a big jerk. They were tired of him skateboarding all over the residence and scuffing up the walls and not cleaning his bathroom. He wore out his welcome on hospitality grounds.” Note: Emily Bazelon is a lawyer. No one mentioned the fact that Ecuador was promised debt relief from the US-controlled International Monetary Fund within hours of expelling Mr. Assange.

Plotz quickly added: “He didn’t clean up after his cat, which, as a cat owner, that is grounds for expulsion.”

Dickerson weighed in: “The big problem is he’s not an appealing man… he’s clearly a narcissist. He’s unpleasant. In addition to messing with our election, he’s basically on Team Russia.”

Plotz said of Wikileaks: “It’s acting as an agent for a foreign governments, as it has with Russia.”

Some people in this sore beset republic get hooked on opiates or crystal meth. Wokesters get hooked on The Narrative: That Russia “stole” the 2016 election from Hillary Clinton by hacking the Democratic National Committee’s emails, with the collusion of the Trump campaign. The latter point has been authoritatively invalidated by Mr. Mueller, of course, but the Wokester’s cling to their hope that some as-yet-concealed mischief in the Mueller Report will somehow contradict Mr. Mueller’s own conclusions.

As for the alleged hacking per se, you realize of course that neither the FBI nor Mr. Mueller’s “team,” nor anyone in the DOJ before the retirement of Jeff Sessions made any effort to secure and examine the very DNC computer servers at issue. Rather, they relied on a private company called CrowdStrike, hired by Hillary and the DNC itself, to analyze the alleged hacking. Can you imagine anything more arrantly dishonest or more legally irregular?

The Slate Gabfest crew never engages in these dark issues. Nor do they mention the fact that the Mueller “team” (or any other US law enforcement agency) never indicted Mr. Assange for “collusion” with Russia, nor even attempted to interview him and hear what he had to say about it. On his own, Mr. Assange has stated that Russia was not the source of the DNC emails he received and subsequently released to the US news media, including The New York Times, The WashPo, and the Cable TV News networks, who happily ran with the story. There is a pretty good theory though, advanced by William Binney, a former National Security Agency official-turned-whistleblower, and other Intel Community associates, that he DNC data was “leaked,” not hacked, “by a person with physical access” to the DNC’s computer system. Meaning, someone inside the DNC downloaded the info onto a thumb drive. The data transfer rates prove that, they say.

There is probably a good reason that US government authorities did not essay to make Mr. Assange a witness on-the-record: because his testimony would have prevented Mr. Mueller from bringing his bullshit charges against the Russian internet trolls he indicted — who will never have to come to trial in the USA in any case, and thus never refute The Narrative so earnestly promoted by the Mueller team — until it all fell apart on March 24.

But these are not terms that the Slate Political Gabfest chose to follow in their analysis of Julian Assange and his activities. Rather we got the following, transcribed verbatim:

     Bazelon: “Assange is so detestable it’s really tempting to get as far away from him as possible. One look at him and I feel that way about him.”

Plotz: “Do you think Joe Biden would get a little handsy with him?”

Bazelon: “He’s far creepier.”

Dickerson: “You don’t find that Dickensian beard alluring?”

Bazelon: “It’s awful. But I always thought he was clean-shaven yucky.”

Such are the Deep Thoughts of America’s leading Wokester political analysts. One also might ask why Mr. Assange has not been charged by the US with espionage, if that’s what their beef with him really is. In the meantime, behold the disgraceful episode of American journalists pimping for the leviathan state’s privilege to suppress the free flow of news and their own freedom of the press. Imagine them subjecting Daniel Ellsberg to such a hazing.


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  1. Zoltar April 15, 2019 at 9:46 am #

    It would be giving undue credit to describe these Slate creatures as sophomoric -and I mean high school, not college. Matters of the greatest import to our nation, and their “insight” is limited to puerile sniping about appearance and personal hygiene.

    If, after Earth’s atmosphere goes Venusian, aliens ever bother to sift through the debris to do a post mortem, they will surely wonder how we survived as long as we did.

    • Walter B April 15, 2019 at 11:02 am #

      Yes indeed Zoltar, and thanks to our host for pointing out who they are, I can avoid ever having to listen to them myself. Thanks for taking one for the team Jim!

      • noel bodie April 15, 2019 at 11:36 am #

        Taking one for the team? Still waiting for our host to call for full release of Mueller Report especially since we continue to hear what is or is not in it from his deep state gaze

        • messianicdruid April 15, 2019 at 5:03 pm #

          I can count on one thumb the number of people I know who will read 400+ pages of Mueller’s report.

      • OccamsBeard April 15, 2019 at 12:10 pm #

        Walter B,

        I second your point, thanks for taking one for the team Jim!

        TraffickingInDivinity.com

    • K-Dog April 15, 2019 at 11:09 am #

      Take your pleasure where you can. It is in short supply. Does Sofia Wilén have the cat?

      (click on the cat to start it)

      Missing rape victim, missing cat and now Julian himself seems to be missing now. Nobody seems to care about that. Is he being well treated? Who knows. Does anyone care?

      Bring out the Habeous Corpus?

      No, rather it seems Julian is to be everyone’s gimp.

      First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

      Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

      Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

      Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
      <== Martin Niemöller

      • michael April 15, 2019 at 5:00 pm #

        But had you spoken out they would have come for you sooner.

    • OccamsBeard April 15, 2019 at 12:08 pm #

      Zoltar,

      “their “insight” is limited to puerile sniping about appearance and personal hygiene.”

      Great point, I couldn’t agree more. They can’t handle the truth.

      TraffickingInDivinity.com

  2. Paulo April 15, 2019 at 9:48 am #

    Collapse, already. Is this ever going to end? It is just too painful seeing every myth and meme destroyed by exposure to light, from the JFK Camelot nonsense, to American ‘exceptionalism’. The hardest to stomache is the idea of American Values, and Shining Light. I guess the shining light is that brief flash a Yemini ragamuffin sees just before they wake up in a curtained hospital ward, minus legs, parents, and hope.

    But hey, everything’s alright. Manning’s a woman now, and Dear Orange Leader is a fat buffoon ignorant lout; examples for the rest of the World to reflect on. Let’s go golfing!!

    Assange, just another cast member. I’m sure we’ll get to hear all about his shortcomings and foibles as each side takes turns throwing stones. Don’t forget as this unfolds, the biggest concern is the price of WTI. Gotta build those SUVs. Maybe America can just rebrand itself, (easier than starting over).

    • Ol' Scratch April 15, 2019 at 10:29 am #

      The so-called Shining Light / Shining City on a Hill was a always just a reflection in dementia-ridden St. Ronny’s cataracts. It was bullshit right from the start.

      • ozone April 15, 2019 at 12:27 pm #

        Scratch,
        I always wondered who wrote this boilerplate bullshit for St. Ronnie. He most definitely did not have anywhere near the smarts to come up with it himself. Just a C-list line-deliverer; and not a very convincing one at that.

        Americans of the time fell for it because they wanted it to be true — they was the bestest, brightest, mostest benevolentest asswipes ever to tread upon gawd’s green earth. Self-congratulation and aggrandizement have their rewards, but in the end, it doesn’t turn out well.

        • Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 12:53 pm #

          Quite so. As Aldous Huxley said, Reality is something most people have a very limited capacity for. Just so your inability to admit that Whites are being singled out for persecution, even though your own intellectual gurus are now admitting it. It interferes with your narrative and you just won’t have it. You must die to the old and accept the new – or became a fossil like the sleeping Wokesters.

        • messianicdruid April 15, 2019 at 5:15 pm #

          “Self-congratulation and aggrandizement have their rewards…”

          m.youtube.com/watch?v=jyJ7lRur43o

          • ZrCrypDiK April 20, 2019 at 11:36 pm #

            Heh, no mo embedded U-tubz… It’s been such a long, long *time* . Entitled, narcissistic, gluttonous sloths bent on instantanious self-gratz (lust/greed) ?!? Lack of empathy/ethics/morality/frugality/discipline. C’est *TOUT* .

    • TiredOfTheTreadmill April 15, 2019 at 10:51 am #

      I agree with you, but I’m afraid this “culture” of ours has many more depth of arrogant ignorance, from across the political spectrum, to descend before the downhill slide takes on rampant speed.

      Apparently one of the elements I seriously overlooked in my decade plus of studying collapse is how much embarrassment is involved. At first I was embarrassed by the anti-science, pro-idiotic political right through the Bush the Dumber years. Then, I became embarressed by the political left during the “hope & change” Obama years. Now the gloves are off and both sides of our political duality are battling to be the supreme beings of embarrassment while not even noticing what losers they have become. In many ways the collapse already is well beyond the point of no return.

      • Ol' Scratch April 15, 2019 at 11:25 am #

        Seconded!

      • ozone April 15, 2019 at 12:33 pm #

        TOTT,
        I hear you there.
        Shame is a useful and educational emotion… if one *has* a bit of it. Modern political animals seem to have abandoned it altogether.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 12:58 pm #

        But the Right still accepts the Left as its moral superior, slyly taking up ideas a few years behind the cutting edge pushed forward by the Revolutionaries to maintain the appearance of dissent. Thus they are despicable toadies while the Left is out and out fucking crazy.

        I loathe them both with unspeakable passion as do all decent people who wear the Glasses of Truth depicted in Carpenters’s movie. Were truer words ever spoken: They live, We sleep?

        • TiredOfTheTreadmill April 15, 2019 at 2:31 pm #

          Historically, the left is why we have science, modern medicine, days off work, and many other things that make life better than in days past. The right never has had any political ideas except opposing anything new and keeping down those below themselves on the economic ladder. With that retrospect, I have always viewed the right as insane and the left striving to overcome their insanity. However, in today’s world, insanity has spread throughout the entire spectrum like a cancer.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 5:32 pm #

            A young man sat on a train next to an older man, the prosperous peasant type in old France. They began talking and the young man expressed his admiration of science and contempt for Christianity. The older man seemed saddened and the young man felt bad. They exchanged cards, and promised to continue their talk another times. The young man looked at the older man’s card. The name on it was Louie Pasteur.

          • TiredOfTheTreadmill April 15, 2019 at 5:50 pm #

            In reply to the Louis Pasteur anecdote: So what? I am quite sure non-Christians can present such stories too. What it boils down to is these kinds of stories really don’t add much to any debate except make people feel like they are aligned on the correct side because so and so is on my side. Accomplished people have also believe in non-christian gods, no gods, alien gods, flat earth, etc…

            From my own observations over the years it appears that some people from all walks of life need to believe in things that have no evidence whatsoever for the truth of said belief. Myself, I believe that our current industrial-consumption trajectory is suicide. Thus far we have gone further destroying ecosystems than I thought we could. Maybe I am wrong, but maybe it’s just the time frame is wrong. Just like all the people who think Jesus is coming back in their lifetime. Still waiting.

          • DrTomSchmidt April 15, 2019 at 8:34 pm #

            Yeah, the Left did a great job with Lavoisier. Oh, and the advances of trofim Lysenko contributed much to humanity. You might want to check your assumptions about the Left and science. Science requires open inquiry, decisions based on empirical evidence, and enough wealth to support scientists, all things not in evidence in Leftist societies.

          • TiredOfTheTreadmill April 16, 2019 at 9:57 am #

            Pick anything humans have done, anything, and you can pick it apart in hindsight ad to how they should have done it differently or how the people doing it were imperfect. That’s how human are. When they add their ideologies, then things get even more screwed up.

            Perhaps I should have said politically neutral? Something I aim for, but to conservatives anything outside their narrow political ideology is called Leftist. Political ideology is the killer, and the ideologues on the left and right who need to politically categorize everything according to their ideology are the problem. Isn’t it called liberal economic theory that we live under? Conservatives used to burn people with new ideasat the stake, or torture them. Blood lies across the political spetrum, Dr Purity.

    • K-Dog April 15, 2019 at 11:28 am #

      just another cast member.

      It’s like a cat who wants to come in from the cold. an incessant scratching at the door that won’t stop. Do they have steak Tuesdays at the London gaol? Will Julian be getting any?

      Like a Wikileaks video of helicopters gunning down and missiling entire buildings on a hunch as it it were all a video game. Like a cartoon where Wiley Coyote never gets hurt empathy like Elvis has left the building. Cast members can go home at night.

    • elysianfield April 15, 2019 at 12:41 pm #

      Paulo,
      So Assange has poor personal habits…lets kill him….

      You might remember reports of a meeting in which Hillary Clinton, in discussing what to do with Assange (and this was years ago), queried the assembled regarding a missile strike…on the Embassy, to silence/punish him….

  3. Neon Vincent April 15, 2019 at 9:50 am #

    One shouldn’t be surprised by Slate’s take on Assange. Ad Fontes’ Media Bias Chart rates the publication as hyper-partisan liberal, which means it explicitly expresses its political views, so of course the panel would take a negative view of Assange after his role in the 2016 election. As for the quality of the panel’s comments, they’re probably not living up to the other dimension of Slate’s rating, which is complex analysis and fair interpretations of the news. Well, that’s what happens when one rates the text version of the site instead of its podcasts.

    Slate probably didn’t contest their rating. Wonkette did, saying that the Media Bias Chart confused their satire for propaganda. The writers and editors there in particular protested that they were not to the left of Jacobin and The Intercept (speaking of publications friendly to Assange), and did not make up stuff for the purpose of misinforming their readers, just for their amusement. The Media Bias Chart kept them where they were, even if they did find Wonkette hilarious.

    • DrTomSchmidt April 15, 2019 at 9:59 am #

      But… but… Assange is being extradited for things he did to embarrass the W administration’s laughing murder of journalists in Iraq. I guess he was a useful idiot for them then. The utter lack of loyalty by the Left is what makes their power so unstable.

      It’s 1790 or 1791. The Girondins are firmly in power with the Jacobins. We don’t kill off Maximilien Robespierre for a few more years yet. Then we get Napoleon.

      Ugh.

      • shotho April 15, 2019 at 10:12 am #

        There’s no doubt that, down the road, this is a possible scenario. Something as powerful as the USA will not linger in a power vacuum for long. It’s also possible we bypass the Committee for Public Safety and go straight to the strong man.

        • ozone April 15, 2019 at 12:35 pm #

          shotho,
          That seems most likely to me.
          Best of luck.

    • Neon Vincent April 15, 2019 at 10:00 am #

      Since no one else seems to have mentioned it yet, “Happy” Tax Day! The political pendulum on tax rates seems to be swinging rapidly, from the lowered tax rates that took effect last year to proposals to raise the top rate dramatically and tax wealth directly. Take your Dramamine; you might get motion sick!

      • DrTomSchmidt April 15, 2019 at 10:09 am #

        A true wealth tax would be interesting. Labor is currently taxed at 15.3% of all earnings up to about 130,000. Then there are additional taxes on top of that, for “income.”

        For a while there, carried interest was taxed at 15%, so, yes, Warren Buffett’s marginal tax rate was less than his secretary’s. That ends with taxing everyone 3% on wealth.

        • Elrond Hubbard April 15, 2019 at 11:59 am #

          Expect a massive propaganda mobilization should anything like that appear this side of the Overton window, DrTom. People will look back on the years of the Russia collusion narrative as an interval of relative peace, sanity and restraint by comparison. The oligarchy has endless tools for making it seem like a crime against nature for the political system to respond to anyone’s interests but theirs.

      • Majella April 15, 2019 at 6:34 pm #

        I’ve just finished reading David Cay Johnston’s “Perfectly Legal”. It’s just mind-bending just how inept the Federal tax system is and just how easy it is to rort it.

        amazon.com/Perfectly-Legal-Campaign-Rich-verybody/dp/1591840694

        Johnston, an old school Republican, has been exposing the rorts & chicanery of the wealthy elite who own the political landscape for around two decades. He has written a trilogy of such expose’s – the above mentioned “Perfectly Legal”, as well as “Free Lunch” and “The Fine Print”.

        Recommended reading.

        • DrTomSchmidt April 15, 2019 at 8:37 pm #

          Thanks for the recommendation.

    • Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 1:00 pm #

      Yes, straight out of High School – the new voting block if some get their way. Creepy! AOC isn’t a dumb college girl, she’s a dumb High School Girl.

  4. izzy April 15, 2019 at 9:52 am #

    Delusion must be the last thing to grasp before there’s nothing at all left. Now even Goldman Sachs suggests Trump might go for round 2 on the basis of his economic achievements. This can’t end well.

  5. Brabantian April 15, 2019 at 9:53 am #

    There are a lot of strange facts re Julian Assange that are not being digested

    At age 82, US longtime CIA adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski admitted on 29 November 2010 on USA television, the PBS News Hour, that Wikileaks material was clearly being selected ‘by an intelligence agency’, and directed only at specific targets – the vid is on YouTube

    Around 2010 there were articles in Israeli media like Haaretz, talking about how Assange & Netanyahu were praising each other. Haaretz even records high Turkish officials, complaining about how Wikileaks were hitting Turkey … but Israeli officials were immediately boasting that no Wikileaks would be negative on Israel … the Turks were asking, how did Israel know this? … Assange has always been loyal to Israel, saying he was managing the ‘leaks’ to protect it

    At least two people who contacted Assange have turned up dead – Seth Rich & Peter W Smith. Assange says he is ‘concerned’ about the former; he denies receiving the latter’s files. Others are jailed.

    All sorts of people today are ‘de-platformed’, denied access to fundraising etc, for mere not-nice opinions … yet despite ‘USA federal criminal indictment’ Wikileaks is still raising funds, and no one is moving to grab their assets

    One of the early Assange Wikileaks were targeting a Swiss Bank, Julius Baer, in a feud with the Swiss Rothschild bank … Wikileaks was leaking like crazy, the customer files of Julius Baer … Julius Baer shares sank in value 60& its customers fled … Wikileaks lawyers in the USA, winning the case allowing the continued leaks to be published, was … Fox Rothschild

    Assange has also had lawyer from Finers Stephens, a firm also serving the Rothschilds … a sister-in-law of the Rothschilds, Jemina Khan née Godsmith, her brother ben married to Kate Rothschild, posted Assange’s bail earlier in the UK

    Wikileaks was then touted by ‘The Economist’ which has a Rothschild on its board … Assange was touted to the world by the UK Guardian, which has had at least two Rothschild bank employees on its governing boards

    Assange has stayed sometimes at the country mansion of Vaughan Smith, a manager for Soros organisations, Soros also a partner of Rothschild

    Tho claiming to fear extradition to the USA, Assange is not using the dossiers on USA judge bribery corruption, which have been used to block other USA extradition requests … but Assange is not interested

    People question whether Assange was ‘really’ living in the Ecuador embassy closet-like-room for 7 years, it seems a strange story … would have been easy to fake, with the UK police ‘watching’ the place, so Julian could move in and out for photos & meetings, maybe wearing a wig and moustache and fake eyeglasses and a plumber’s uniform

    ‘Arrest of Julian Assange is Just Theatre’
    henrymakow.com/2019/04/Julian-Assange-Arrest-is-Theatre%20.html

    • Ol' Scratch April 15, 2019 at 10:49 am #

      Entirely plausible.

    • Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 1:05 pm #

      Remember Oceania is split into two factions. He may well be on board with the Zionists, but he is clearly hated by the UN/EU/Clinton/Obama/Black Venetian cabal. They have some common goals and interests, but they are also have conflicting ones. And in any case, whoever dominates gets the money and glory. It’s like the War of the Roses: whoever won didn’t matter to the peasants, not if they had any commonsense at least. But who won mattered a great deal to the Two Houses that were fighting. It’s like that.

  6. fugeguy April 15, 2019 at 9:57 am #

    I doubt Julian will ever see a courtroom.

    The circumstances of his suicide will be blatantly fake.

    And then we can spend the years or months we have left debating that event.

    Can’t wait to see the spin on it.

    • fugeguy April 15, 2019 at 10:00 am #

      Or better yet maybe he can be gunned down in a secure parking lot by a mobbed up gunman, dying of cancer, who has a sudden epiphany of patriotism.

      Then the skeptical society of America and the MSM can call us all nuts for seeing anything unusual about events.

    • DrTomSchmidt April 15, 2019 at 10:01 am #

      Too big to off in that way. He didn’t look good getting out in the sun. Natural causes within 5 years. And yes, no trial.

      • fugeguy April 15, 2019 at 10:41 am #

        OK, muzzled, slowly suffocated and finally dying from apathy and lack of vitamin D.

        Bad end.

    • Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 1:06 pm #

      Who will be the Manchurian Candidate this time?

  7. BackRowHeckler April 15, 2019 at 10:06 am #

    Jim points out Assange isn’t wanted for espionage, just a computer crime. If by some outside chance he is extradited to the US, a good team of lawyers shouldn’t have too much trouble getting him out of the hot water he’s gotten himself into, maybe based on the 1st amendment.

    He’s is backed by a lot of wealthy people here who will kick in $$$ for his legal defense. Pam Anderson is probably good for $100,000 or so.

    Brh

    • malthuss April 15, 2019 at 10:37 am #

      Cardi B and new sensation Billie at Coachella,

      vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/the-disturbing-meaning-of-billie-eilishs-bury-a-friend/

      • BackRowHeckler April 15, 2019 at 10:45 am #

        Malth, you’ve never revealed much about yourself, but I get the impression you live amongst these people out in LA, and actually rub elbows with some of them.

        Brh

        • malthuss April 15, 2019 at 12:00 pm #

          I am too old now. No stars in my eyes.

          • Q. Shtik April 15, 2019 at 1:07 pm #

            Did you use to go by the name Asia?

        • Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 1:09 pm #

          Just to be clear: Goat Island is still there, right? Despite hundreds of years of global warming away from the little Ice Age. Cape Cod once had the climate of coastal Maine. A big difference in terms of snow fall.

          • BackRowHeckler April 15, 2019 at 8:21 pm #

            I haven’t got down to Newport yet, Vlad. My accountant, who has a place in Newport says, yes, its still there in the harbor. And it appears on the nautical chart that I have, But this dates from the 1960s. For my unofficial, unscientific, purely anectodal sea level rise project I have to examine evidence with my own eyes. So what I have is a sketch out of a book of pirates being hung on Goat Island, and two contemporary accounts of the event. I’ll compare them to what’s there now, in 2019, 295 years after the event. I’ll let you know if the seas have risen up or not.

            brh

  8. venuspluto67 April 15, 2019 at 10:10 am #

    There is a pretty good theory though, advanced by William Binney, a former National Security Agency official-turned-whistleblower, and other Intel Community associates, that he DNC data was “leaked,” not hacked, “by a person with physical access” to the DNC’s computer system. Meaning, someone inside the DNC downloaded the info onto a thumb drive.

    It’s not exactly a shocker that there may have been a secret “Bernie Bro” on or working for the DNC! 😀

  9. Ol' Scratch April 15, 2019 at 10:26 am #

    Summation of Slate gabfest: “Eww!”

    The liberal left has regressed to permanent middle-schoolness. The millennials need to pull their collective head out of their ass if they’re going to cope with the ginormous shitstorm headed their way. Doesn’t appear that they’re up to the task.

    • JustSaying April 15, 2019 at 11:08 am #

      Really, you think they are middle-schooled? They are infantile!

  10. Paul Ford O'Neil April 15, 2019 at 10:26 am #

    Hello Jim,

    Julian Schmoolian!

    Meanwhile, your opine last week about the potential cataclysm of an incident with Mid-Western Army Corp of Engineers 1930s neo-industrial artworks, commonly known as irrigation dams, seems to have gotten legs in the past few weeks.

    Only one event could set this cataclysm in motion – an earthquake large enough [+/-6.5?] and close enough to cause the liquefaction of one of these dams – with subsequent collapse and unimaginable downstream scouring of everything from river-valley rim-to-rim and even beyond.

    For the past decade an average American Joe, who calls himself Dutchsince has been predicting these tectonic burps with what I now consider alarming accuracy! His latest weekly forecast includes analysis of a 5.0 earthquake near the dormant volcano known as Yellowstone National Park – 300 miles from one of those Army Corp 1930s behemoths:

    youtube.com/watch?v=JG9TvwjrfFY

    Time Mark: 26:00

    Assange-Clinton-Mueller-Pelosi-Trump-etc. – will be unremembered brain-farts if/when that scenario detonates.

    Carry-on til you are carrion.

    PFO

    • michics April 15, 2019 at 10:41 am #

      Just read a report this weekend that the Army Corps of Engineers just completed their multi billion dollar upgrades to New Orleans dikes and flood prevention system. Only to learn now that in 4 years it will be insufficient to prevent flooding due to climate change and rising sea levels. These people have no future vision what so ever!

      • benr April 15, 2019 at 11:06 am #

        I will bet you that the water will be almost exactly where it is now in four years.
        It has not moved one inch past mht or mlt in the forty years I have surfed.

        • GreenAlba April 15, 2019 at 11:35 am #

          One inch of extra seawater over an entire area of the ocean packs a lot of extra punch when it hits a dike in a hurricane. It’s the cubic metres of seawater that matters. What surface area are you multiplying it with to get the volume?

          • GreenAlba April 15, 2019 at 11:36 am #

            *matter*

        • seawolf77 April 15, 2019 at 1:46 pm #

          Sea level rise was .1 inch a year. It is now .125 inch a year. So in 4 years a half inch. You really can’t see that. When it is 1 inch a year, you’ll be able to see that.

          • benr April 16, 2019 at 10:43 am #

            Actually yes you can because the structures on the ocean are Exactly where they were.
            Piers and jettys don’t lie.

        • Majella April 15, 2019 at 6:49 pm #

          You think the earth is flat, too, don’t you…

          • seawolf77 April 15, 2019 at 7:47 pm #

            No, I think it’s velcro together.

          • benr April 16, 2019 at 10:44 am #

            Nope but I know your head is flat.

      • Elrond Hubbard April 15, 2019 at 1:03 pm #

        The one force of nature more powerful than floodwaters is denial. Case in point: up here in Canada, the federal government is stepping in with a carbon tax in those provinces that have declined, or refused, to enact their own. In retaliation, the Ontario government (led by our very own swine emperor, Doug Ford), is set to pass a law requiring all gas stations to display a sticker illustrating how much of the cost of gas is attributable to the carbon tax.

        The kicker? The law includes a fine for any gas station failing to display the sticker, in the amount of $10,000. Per pump. Per day. Roll that thought around in your mind a bit — even in Canadian dollars, that’s money worth having. Faced with the greatest challenge humanity has ever known, denial and populist thuggery rule the day! Doesn’t the future look awesome?

        • malthuss April 15, 2019 at 4:04 pm #

          species-ism noted.

        • benr April 16, 2019 at 10:47 am #

          And in the end it proves one fact.
          Carbon credit schemes are about MONEY/power/control and nothing else.
          If C02 was as terrible as the leftist turds say it is the money would be rolled into greening the world.
          Planting Billions of trees all over the planet and stopping the deforestation of South America.

  11. malthuss April 15, 2019 at 10:28 am #

    My concerns are for USA economy [or whats left of the real economy] and Farmegeddon.
    You tube has lots of Nebraska flood interviews.

  12. malthuss April 15, 2019 at 10:35 am #

    Lil Debbie noted ‘People will Survive’
    and Seawolf posts the classic song ‘I Will Survive’

    People or species who cede to dominant forces end up extinct.
    Yes? No? maybe? Does it depend on how much they cede?
    Look at bugs. They have survived for 100? million years.
    Silverfish can live 7 years and go with no water for a year.

    I know. Ive plenty of them here. Even a fumigator could not eradicate them.

    • That which resists, persists.

      • malthuss April 15, 2019 at 12:01 pm #

        Only if it can resist.
        i assume many insect species resisted, but died off. Cock roaches survived.

        • Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 1:15 pm #

          They can take radiation, but not the cold. Turn of the heat in the winter and they will die. They are tropical, just like “people”….

          • seawolf77 April 15, 2019 at 7:45 pm #

            Cockroaches are tropical. I tell you, you never know what you’re going to learn on this blog.

          • benr April 16, 2019 at 10:48 am #

            Proving that cold sucks we like the heat.

  13. FincaInTheMountains April 15, 2019 at 10:50 am #

    JFK Camelot nonsense == Paulo

    If anyone ever saved the world from nuclear war, then John Fitzgerald Kennedy undoubtedly takes an honorable place in these ranks.

    My father in 1963, after getting the news of Kennedy death, risked his party carrier sending a telegram to the White House from USSR with his condolences.

    Nobody in Russia at that time had any doubts about the reasons for Kennedy assassination – he was murdered exactly for refusing to start nuclear World War III – and became a martyr for that.

    • Walter B April 15, 2019 at 11:00 am #

      From Brothers, by David Talbot : “Still, as Schlesinger has acknowledged, Kennedy was not firmly in control of his own military. And the repeated references to coups and Seven Days in May scenarios that pop up in transcripts and recollections about the administration make it plain that JFK himself, and his closest advisors, worried about the stability of the government.
      So did Khrushchev. “For some time we had felt there was a danger that the president would lose control of his military,” he later wrote, “and now he was admitting this to us himself.” Moscow’s fear that Kennedy might be toppled in a coup, Khrushchev suggested in his memoirs, led the Soviets to reach a settlement of the missile crisis with the president. “We could sense from the tone of the message that tension in the United States was indeed reaching a critical point.””

      Yes Finc, that and his opposition to Vietnam and his and his brother Bobby’s vendetta against organized crime who just happened to be in bed with the CIA. The Kennedy brothers made far too many powerful, angry enemies and paid the price. At least they lived and died like men and not cowards and shirkers. They will be remembered for a long time if not forever, while the rest of us shall be forgotten almost instantly.

    • DEFCON1 April 15, 2019 at 11:36 am #

      Nope – sorry. But not too far off.

      JFK signed his own death warrant with the American University speech he gave in the summer of ’63. He advocated for peace and that was pretty much that – the order for executive action was given and the Dealy ambush was setup.

      True credit should be given to Vasili Arkhipov, a Russian submarine officer who cast the deciding vote not to launch nuclear torpedoes on October 27. Had he not voted “Nyet” the cockroaches might be the dominant species.

      • FincaInTheMountains April 15, 2019 at 1:58 pm #

        A dollar for an entry, a hundred for an exit

        In fact, I suspect that JFK, as well as Stanley Kubrick, David Carradine (and others) were all members of a religious sect, such as Stanley Kubrick described in the movies “Shining” and “Eyes Wide Shut”.

        And all of them are united by a shameful execution connected with treason, not a political but religious betrayal – a payback for Repentance and believing in God and splitting with the sect.

        Now I understand that it means that these people died for Christ, that in fact they are holy martyrs.

      • Majella April 15, 2019 at 7:09 pm #

        Read James Ellroy “American Tabloid” for a possibly fictional ‘inside take’ on how JFK got his.

    • Farmer Joe April 15, 2019 at 11:37 am #

      Finca, I’m interested in hearing more about your life’s story. The idea of having to risk my life for something like a telegram is a completely foreign concept to my life experience. Was your dad a party leader or something like that? To be truthful I’m fairly ignorant about what life was like in Soviet Russia, and frankly, just about everything else about your country, with the exception of WW2.

      • FincaInTheMountains April 15, 2019 at 1:18 pm #

        You are exaggerating the level of oppression in the Soviet Union in 1960s. I doubt he was risking his life – his career, quite possible. During those years to be on any post of responsibility you were expected to be a member of the Communist Party (probably, just like in US you have to be a member of some Masonic lodge or similar club).

        He possibly was risking his membership, but nothing like that happened. Kennedy generally was viewed very positively even in the official Soviet media.

        • benr April 16, 2019 at 10:51 am #

          Even after the Cuban missile crisis and bay of pigs?
          Somehow that makes sense since Democrats have been sucking up to Communist leaders for longer then I have been alive.
          Which is why I find their collective out rage at the thought Trump was cozying up to Putin true or false its puzzling.

          • Farmer Joe April 17, 2019 at 9:32 am #

            The dems sound like a jealous lover. I can hear a frantic, tear filled HRC now, “If I can’t have Vlad then no one can!”

  14. Walter B April 15, 2019 at 10:53 am #

    Why Mr. Assange has been demonized by TPTB AND the general public is because he has been working to release and spread the Truth, or for those that do not believe in the Truth, he was countering the official lies. Truth cannot ever be allowed to shine on the general population as far as those who rule is concerned because it would expose them as the self serving parasitic scum that they. This is the same reason that the general public does not want the Truth to be made official. The general public NEEDS to believe the Great Lies that keep them in line on the hamster wheels of life, grinding out the “Rat Race” every day and being able to still enjoy the morsels of the good life that they are given from above. The truth would destroy them and their abilities to keep the treadmill belts turning and subsequently keep them, most of them at least, in line. What we need to solve our problems in America is simply a new national motto. How about, “Get back to work so you can shut up and pay?” That pretty much says it all. Oh yes, we will need to add in a line as well to include “It’s all Trump’s and the Russians fault too!” There, that will do it.

    • K-Dog April 15, 2019 at 11:41 am #

      Truth cannot ever be allowed to shine on the general population as far as those who rule is concerned because it would expose them as the self serving parasitic scum that they.

      True words.

      You Can’t Be Neutral on a Moving Train.

      Also true words.

      But any ideas on how to stop it? Besides letting Julian contact the press?

      • benr April 16, 2019 at 11:02 am #

        Hey lets get real who in this world is not self serving and upon reflection parasitic it’s the nature of what it is to be human.

    • volodya April 15, 2019 at 11:58 am #

      Walter B

      Look at how we’ve lived our lives. How many lies are we fed as if they’re the unalterable truth? How many of these lies don’t even pass a cursory logic-test or eyeball-test, yet, to get and keep gainful employment and societal acceptance, you have to talk and act as if you believe, as if what you’re told and what everyone else seems to believe is actually real.

      It’s not just people living in western societies that are required to imbibe and swallow and smile. The USSR and its eastern bloc allies fell under the weight of their own bullshit, the yawning chasm between official lies and the day-to-day reality of life a joke, the only item never in short supply being vodka, staying drunk the only way to cope with the necessary double-think. Come night-time, in the privacy of their own abode, away from nonsense-spewing commissars and the ever present threat of informants, guys drank until they fell off their chair.

      Well, that’s history and we’re not good at taking the lessons of history, least of all the parasitic ruling class, who, without fail, think that they’re special, that history is dull and doesn’t apply to them. Well, history is about people and how they behave, and as far as I can see, human nature hasn’t changed all that much in ten thousand years, at least since folks settled down and started cultivating and raising pigs and chickens.

      If they don’t take the lessons of history, that’s more their problem than ours, because they might learn and forestall what’s happened to every regime now covered under a mound of desert sand.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 1:26 pm #

        And now Whites are told that they don’t even exist. People who swallow Lies of that magnitude aren’t long for this world. And you do your bit in spreading this virulent meme too with your “deconstruction”.

  15. volodya April 15, 2019 at 11:19 am #

    Such are the Deep Thoughts of America’s leading wokester political analysts. But then wokesters are full of shit. I know that this isn’t exactly deep and incisive analysis but then does anyone have anything better?

    Yesterday afternoon I raised a question about the effect of a warming world and whether it might be beneficial on balance through higher agricultural productivity since we’re rapidly ramping up to 9 billion. And we’ll need a lot more food.

    I got a few decent answers but one commenter claiming to be a scientist, answered my query, telling me: “I am (a scientist) and it won’t be (overall beneficial). Anyone peddling this bullshit is an ignorant moron.” Contents of brackets are mine.

    Now this is more or less what I expected from a certain contingent of poster on this site. I’ve said for a long time that what we have here in this debate on climate is political science. Political science can be a bona fide branch of knowledge about how we humans govern ourselves and one another, that is, an honest attempt to investigate and systemize what we see.

    The other definition of political science is politics immersed in science, or IOW, scientists talking shit. Or people purporting to be scientists talking shit, which is what I see with the debate on climate. This doesn’t look or smell like science to me, this looks like office-seeking, power-seeking, favor-seeking, status-seeking and virtue signalling, with those talking loudest about the perils of changing climate being the ones willing to do the least in their own personal lives to forestall calamity.

    Which brings us back to wokesters. At the risk of over-generalizing, what we’ve raised is a generation of ignorant morons, peddling bullshit, which is what we see in this Gabfest, which is what we’ve seen for the past three years in this ludicrous Russia Collusion fable, which is what I see in this non-debate on climate.

    I’m all for science. If the commenter, claiming to be a scientist, in his reply to my query had told me something along the lines of “current models indicate that increasing temperatures in equatorial regions will cause major decreases in crop yields and may make cultivation of some food-crops impractical. This will to some extent be offset by better growing conditions in more northern or southern latitudes. But the overall effect on agriculture is forecast to be negative.” But this isn’t what I got. I got what I expected which was bullshit.

    If the commenter had further said, “now, planetary climate is an exceedingly complex mechanism, and so with that in mind, we seek to improve our existing models of how climate intersects with agriculture.” This would have given me the warm and fuzzies. This would have been the sound of a credible source, someone concerned with verifiable truth, or falsifiable theory.

    To answer K-dog’s query, do I expect Monsanto to compensate for a shorter growing season, chaotic weather etc? No, but natural processes might, which requires a knowledge of natural processes.

    Like I said, gimme science, don’t give me bullshit, because in my view, as far as my eye can see, are bullshitters.

    • K-Dog April 15, 2019 at 11:33 am #

      To answer K-dog’s query, do I expect Monsanto to compensate for a shorter growing season, chaotic weather etc? No, but natural processes might, which requires a knowledge of natural processes.

      Natural processes take aeons. The cat is not just out of the embassy. The cat is out of the bag and America sleeps in dreamland.

      • GreenAlba April 15, 2019 at 1:07 pm #

        volodya

        If I’d taken up your offer to comment on your comment on the last thread, I’d have answered something along the lines and tone of your paragraph seven, as that has been my understanding from everything I’ve read over the last couple of decades. And I’ve read a lot, so much that I’ve forgotten far more than I remember of the detail. But the impression from it all remains that for every small positive there is an overwhelming negative.

        I just thought it was too general to bother saying – there are endless articles online providing detail on aspects of the relationship between agriculture and climate change (and indeed agriculture and our shockingly depreciated soils).

        If people are going to take as a default position that scientists are either knowingly or unknowingly dishonest and politicised, then they might also – for balance – like to read Merchants of Doubt, which illustrates in detail how the corporate purveyors of denial – and the few scientists whose souls they have bought and paid for – operate.

        I’d say that was only fair. I have the book myself but haven’t yet read it yet – I actually forgot I had it, so will get to it soon.

        amazon.co.uk/Merchants-Doubt-Handful-Scientists-Obscured/dp/1408824833/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2VZLWS9MC23ZL…

        I always find it instructive when a denier organisation gives itself a title which suggests it’s a bona fide seeker after truth, while it actually opposes the position to which the actual science points, in the service of its funders. Hence the fossil-fuel lobby’s ‘Global Warming Foundation’, run by Nigel Lawson – why not call it the ‘Global Warming Hoax Foundation’ unless you are trying to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes?

        “This doesn’t look or smell like science to me, this looks like office-seeking, power-seeking, favor-seeking, status-seeking and virtue signalling, with those talking loudest about the perils of changing climate being the ones willing to do the least in their own personal lives to forestall calamity.”

        I would respectfully suggest that, even if you do take measures in your own life, you will still be labelled a ‘virtue signaller’. In fact I can verify it from my own experience on this website. In my real life, as opposed to on this website, where it seems to me that virtue signalling is a bit of a pointless exercise, given the anonymity, I say pretty much nothing about it. People who know me know I don’t have a car, for example, and hardly ever fly, but it’s not a topic of conversation and I don’t imagine they’ve ever given my motivation a second’s thought.

        When I worked at the office and had to undertake periodic trips to London, I went by train while my colleagues flew. I asked my line manager quietly, under the radar, if this was OK, and promised to fine low fares so that it wasn’t significantly more expensive than my colleagues’ air fares. I did also point out, in my defence, that the company had an environmental policy – she seemed OK with that and we proceeded on that basis. It’s more a case of hiding the embarrassment of being different than standing on a podium and virtue signalling, in my own, admittedly limited experience.

        • GreenAlba April 15, 2019 at 1:08 pm #

          Sorry, that wasn’t meant to go under K-Dog’s comment.

        • Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 1:29 pm #

          Global cooling would be the big killer – as it has been many times, ending many civilizations. It tends to go with dryer conditions, so that’s a factor too.

          • GreenAlba April 15, 2019 at 1:37 pm #

            I guess if you lived in Fort McMurray or er…Paradise, CA, that wouldn’t be your first thought, Janos, but thank you for your contribution.

          • GreenAlba April 15, 2019 at 2:02 pm #

            As a completely unrelated minor aside, following hmuller’s friendly (I think?) quip about the Celtic lady of 1500 years ago, ‘like Green Alba’, I had an email from one of my nephews in which he mentioned that he’d done one of those DNA tests that I’ve never got round to, but which I believe you’ve done yourself.

            Turns out we’re not Celts – we’re pretty much Vikings. I don’t know where that puts me in your obsessive hierarchy, but it did amuse me momentarily. I feel I need to get to Shetland now before I die and see Up Helly Aa.

            youtube.com/watch?v=5csK_dzniHE

            They don’t really look like your man-gods but we’re not really into that kind of thing – we’re more into community fun.

            Sadly I’ve no idea what they’re saying as I never did get the sound back on my PC.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 2:29 pm #

            The Celts mixed in with the people they conquered and ceased to be exclusively Aryan, except perhaps the Warrior Elite for at least a time. I’m a British Isles Mutt: My mother’s side Irish type Aryans, brown haired, blued eyes, a few of surpassing beauty – the tall black haired blue eyed. Some say that was the Norman influence. My Dad’s side, the earlier peoples. The dark ones who raised the standing stones. Mediterranean farmers. And before them, the stocky Red Haired ones, the first into Europe after the Ice, the ones who mixed with the Neanderthals.

            The Whites they found in China were very tall Whites, with a Celtic material culture. Very similar or the same as the Old Celts. Very similar to the Germans whom they once dominated, some say. But they mixed, Alba, they mixed. And I am the result. Do you like what you see? I’m not sure I do, but in any case, the World will not see my like again.

        • Exscotticus April 15, 2019 at 2:39 pm #

          >>> I went by train while my colleagues flew.

          I wish we had that alternative in the USA. Not to mitigate carbon usage or alleged anthropogenic climate change, but merely because trains are cool. Plus anything to avoid empowering some TSA agent to confiscate my sippy cup and lord over me for even a moment.

          • GreenAlba April 15, 2019 at 3:01 pm #

            Exscotticus

            But you do have trains – I’ve seen them! Well not in real life, obviously. Surely a trip from one State capital to another could be done by train?

          • GreenAlba April 15, 2019 at 3:02 pm #

            And there’s a price to pay – I didn’t get home till about 11.30 pm while they were happily supping their G&Ts hours before!

        • BackRowHeckler April 15, 2019 at 2:40 pm #

          Green Alba, you’re a Viking?

          For God’s sake then, don some armor, grab a broadsword, and venture out boldly to defend western civilization, before its too late.

          Brh

          • GreenAlba April 15, 2019 at 6:25 pm #

            Hmmmm….Just as well it’s only a bit of fun, brh, and means diddly.

            Otherwise I’d have to feel differently next time I go to Lindisfarne – the Vikings dispatched the monks spatchcock-style, just to make a point. Taking a broadsword to them wasn’t enough.

    • Ol' Scratch April 15, 2019 at 11:37 am #

      Agreed with all. No matter how one feels about AGW, one must still maintain an air of healthy skepticism, as it’s by no means unassailable “settled science” yet, especially when it comes to the hows, whys, and wheres of specific effects. And regardless of any of that, it’s still a second order problem, as the twin horses (you can’t have either one without the other) of our destruction remain industrialism and human over-population, and their attendant environmental destruction and resource depletion. We’ve become the proverbial plague of locusts we always feared in simpler times.

      • K-Dog April 15, 2019 at 11:58 am #

        Would you say healthy skepticism should be strong enough to cause total inaction and abrogation of any responsibility to do anything before it is too late to do anything at all? The resulting ambivalence makes the meaning of an American consumers life essentially equal to zero if that is what you are saying; because if they do nothing but spend and pollute they are walking zeros. Nothing but!

        It is as if they have all sold their souls! Perhaps long term (think your eternal) contracts could ensure ignorance for specified periods of time in return for extra deposits on the plastic? High credit ratings could be extended for embracing false narratives and hating on Russia. Endless possibilities and hating on Julian can be like making an initial loan application!

        ?

        • volodya April 15, 2019 at 12:09 pm #

          Healthy skepticism means that you have got your eye on the ball, that if what you’re doing is based on wrong information, you can change course.

          IOW, when the facts change, you change your mind. When new facts come to light, you change the way you do things. But you need to keep your mind open and same with your eyes and ears.

          Accepting holus-bolus without question, without scrutiny, the dictates of this ruling, non-thinking “thinking class”, that fucks up with their morning tea, is the way to disaster. Watch and question the bastards, and judge for yourself, because their main thing is their own advantage, the general welfare and the planetary good be damned. You’ve got a full set of moral and intellectual faculties, best thing for you and everyone else is to use them.

          • K-Dog April 15, 2019 at 12:20 pm #

            No it means standing aside and letting bullshit seize the day. It is allowing evil to go Carpe diem.

          • volodya April 15, 2019 at 12:58 pm #

            Standing aside? Um, no, it means the opposite, it means not being somebody’s fool. The so-called “thinking class” and their self-proclaimed “experts” haven’t exactly covered themselves in glory as of late.

            In the world of finance, they’ve done the opposite, they’ve disgraced themselves, the Maestro Greenspan coming off more like Chauncey Gardiner, with this expert class of financial wizards and pundits hanging onto his impenetrable utterances as if they were coming from the oracle at Delphi. Well, I read that it was toxic gasses bubbling up from underground, with their intoxicating effects, that gave the oracle her hallucinogenic inspiration. Given the disasters of 2000, and of 2009, and the on-going immiserization of wide areas of the US and the formerly industrial west, I wonder what fumes Greenspan was inhaling. And not only Greenspan but his successors at the Fed and their colleagues at Treasury.

            In the world of foreign affairs the so-called experts truly thought that not learning the lessons of history was the thing to do, to not learn from the French defeat in Indo-China, to not learn from the Soviet defeat in Afghanistan, to not learn from repeated imperial piss-aways of lives and money. Nope, they defy reality, they insist on their own genius.

            There’s more, ie the fields of education, the various ‘ologies, but you get my drift.

            So, go ahead, it’s your call, if you insist on believing everything the “experts” tell you, then so be it.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 1:31 pm #

            Yes, junking our industrial civilization on the say so of impudent high schoolers like AOC or David Hogg is imprudence of the highest order.

          • K-Dog April 15, 2019 at 1:41 pm #

            America has become the land where anything goes and nothing matters. America is a land that now turns a nose from civil liberties wrestled away from Kings with copious loss of blood. America turn back time goes medieval and seeks a king.

            There is an art to thinking.There can be too much of it if it leads to indecision blind alleys and inaction. What you call healthy skepticism is really about thought stopping. What you call scrutiny is hoping people don’t take a stand and oppose power. You are using the big words but you mean exactly the opposite.

          • K-Dog April 15, 2019 at 1:42 pm #

            America turns back time goes medieval and seeks a king.

        • Ol' Scratch April 15, 2019 at 2:55 pm #

          The problem is, Dawg, there are no realistic proposals out there that aren’t just bait and switch economics to make someone else rich while we continue to conduct business as usual. I agree with you that the prudent thing to do would be to hedge our bets now and start making drastic changes to our energy policies, but realistically, we both know that’s not going to happen – see the twin horses of our destruction. Radically ramping down fossil fuel based industrialism is going to mean a few billion people will become superfluous and need to be eliminated, and needless to say, that will never be a popular message to carry to the masses. Quite the predicament we find ourselves in.

          • K-Dog April 16, 2019 at 12:14 am #

            There are no realistic proposals out there that aren’t just bait and switch economics to make someone else rich while we continue to conduct business as usual

            That is why a fundamental change in living arrangements becomes necessary for any future progress. As long as pre-eminence Trumps equality only the bait and switch becomes possible.

      • JohnAZ April 15, 2019 at 12:08 pm #

        AGW is a lousy power grab by the globalists, period!

        They do not give a damn about scientific fact.

        • benr April 16, 2019 at 11:11 am #

          Indeed.
          If all these taxes were being used to do something other than line peoples pockets it might be some what believable but no they are not using the moneys stolen in ever more tax schemes to plant carbon sinks aka trees and plants.
          All one need do is divorce themselves from the louder and louder screams of just do it for the Children or mother earth to see it very plain.

    • JohnAZ April 15, 2019 at 12:20 pm #

      Think about who signs the grants for all those “scientific” studies. Politicized? You better believe it.

      Ask a hundred “scientists” what the effect of the natural processes are and you will get 100 different answers. Who is right? Who knows? We want to base policy on the words of any of them? Think about 100 AOCs in the same room.

      One of mankind’s skills that has allowed humanity to adapt to many adverse situations is his ability to leave a bad area and find a better one. This is a key element of the American Experience, we have been a safety valve for the world.

      Problem is we are out of space, opportunity and time.

      • seawolf77 April 15, 2019 at 10:02 pm #

        We are not out of space, time and opportunity. We no longer need human skill and muscle. We have machines. We have robots. And the people who were caught unprepared are blaming people who are worse off than they are. You cannot deny the human spirit from wanting to improve their lot in life. You will reap a karmic whirlwind if you do. My mother and all her sisters came to America and married Americans. Their brother remained behind. After the Great Managua Earthquake and the revolution that followed he gave up and came to America too. His eldest became a famous cook at Commander’s Palace in New Orleans. Had his own TV show. Two of his sons became civil engineers. One started his own company and employs several Americans. The last started an import-export business. These are hard-working people who want to be part of the American dream. Shame on you for putting parenthesis around it.

        • benr April 16, 2019 at 11:14 am #

          Oh you mean they assimilated is that not what you are supposed to do after all?
          What do you do with people who refuse to assimilate, refuse to work and demand we all conform to their wants and needs?
          See that is what is going on all over ‘Merika!

      • benr April 16, 2019 at 11:12 am #

        Space we do have clean water on the other hand we do not.

  16. Farmer Joe April 15, 2019 at 11:26 am #

    Uncle Sam needs YOU to pay your taxes!

    • Farmer Joe April 15, 2019 at 11:28 am #

      This was meant to be in reply to Walter’s comment above. >_<

      • Walter B April 15, 2019 at 2:41 pm #

        Well they do not need me to pay Farmer Joe, because I have not had to pay any income tax since 2012! How do you do that you might wonder? You start with low income (like Warren Buffet), a family of four, and live in a small house with low taxes and a modest lifestyle. Add in zero debt and non-taxable social security as well as stored assets from the lifetime of work behind you and the IRS requires nothing of you. Remember, non-real estate assets you have accumulated and have already paid taxes on are not taxed in any form. The old saying to “save for a rainy day” pays huge dividends if you are able to do so once you are retired or semi-retired.

        The need for high and higher income will always be accompanied by high and higher income taxes.

        • Farmer Joe April 16, 2019 at 12:24 am #

          This is why I like doing for myself. They can’t tax me for being clever.

        • Farmer Joe April 16, 2019 at 12:29 am #

          “Stored assets.” 😉 I got you.

  17. Luhrenloup April 15, 2019 at 11:58 am #

    The message from the deep state concerning the needless arrest of ailing Assange at this late date is:

    Because we can.

    It’s always a good idea to reinforce the fact of our absolute power over the masses, reminding them that they are impotent against us.

    Be afraid, be obedient, don’t make waves . . . not that it would protect you

    • K-Dog April 15, 2019 at 12:16 pm #

      Or else! You could wind up like Julian. Assange will be our new boogieman. Mothers will be warning their children with ‘what happened to him’ for generations.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 1:34 pm #

        Wear clean underwear! You never know when you’ll be arrested like yucky Julian Assange. Cuz they’re going to check and tell everyone.

        • Walter B April 15, 2019 at 4:50 pm #

          On the contrary Janos, keep your underwear as foul and smelly as possible so that if they decide to take you in and give you the once over, they can be made to pay for defiling your dignity! Make ’em pay!

          • Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 5:27 pm #

            Jesus, Walt. But this is inspiring. If He can love you then he can love me too.

          • seawolf77 April 15, 2019 at 9:49 pm #

            I had a friend his mother used to tell him “What would happen if you’re in an accident and they have to take you to the hospital. There you’ll be with holes in your underwear.” So he never wore underwear with holes in them. He was in a terrible motorcycle accident and had a compound fracture on his leg. Bone was sticking clean out. He shit his pants. They didn’t find no holes in his underwear though.

  18. JohnAZ April 15, 2019 at 12:05 pm #

    I read about the rotten state of affairs in the USA over and over.

    I challenge everyone on this blog to bring up a nation or an ideal to replace what exists in the US. A better system that will take care of ALL of the society’s needs. The US uses republican democracy and capitalism modified by societal needs to temper the competitive effects of capitalism. Republican democracy is modified by means to spread power across many states instead of only a few running the show.

    All the above is to allow the maximum amount of individual freedom and power sharing. If you think it is so bad, come up with something better.

    The Liberal attempts are disasters in the making.

    • DEFCON1 April 15, 2019 at 12:50 pm #

      You really cannot be serious. Your whole post is a ridiculous howler.

      The days of the US as some kind of bright shining light and example are well over. These are the bad new days, son.

    • elysianfield April 15, 2019 at 12:59 pm #

      “I challenge everyone on this blog to bring up a nation or an ideal to replace what exists in the US. A better system that will take care of ALL of the society’s needs.”

      John,
      At the risk of general disapprobation…;

      Eisenhower’s 50’s was a model probably as close as you will find to a workable “ideal”.

      Yeah, I know, blacks, Mexicans, yada yada yada….

      • K-Dog April 15, 2019 at 1:26 pm #

        How about a free press?

        • volodya April 15, 2019 at 1:34 pm #

          And one that tells it like it is and doesn’t deal in disinformation.

        • benr April 16, 2019 at 11:18 am #

          Free to what lie and make shit up?
          You know the liberal beacon of disinformation.
          It’s sad when I hear more truth out of a tin foil hat guy like Alex Jones then I do on the big network disinformation channels.

    • seawolf77 April 15, 2019 at 1:25 pm #

      Norway. It is not part of the European Union. It has tremendous wealth. In spite of huge petroleum production gasoline is $10 a gallon. Universal healthcare. High standard of living. Highly educated population. Strong recession proof economy. Sovereign wealth fund rivaling Saudi Arabia. You can’t do it any better than the Scandinavian countries. The one takeaway is that high taxes done right means super high standard of living because some things are best not left to the free market. It’s just that simple. The one thing every American says when they emigrate to another country is they are finally free of politics. Politics have destroyed this country. Everything is black and white now. Healthcare is the classic example. What kind of people want healthcare taken away from people? Republicans. That’s what kind. Their belief in free markets is pathological.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 1:41 pm #

        Innundation by Muslims. The authorities admit (unlike the Swedes) that they new people have caused a huge rise in crime, yet they remain committed to mass immigration. Being committed to that which is killing you is madness.

        Other than that “little” caveat, a great post. High taxes are an absolute necessity to create a high standard of living. As are strong borders and a zero or all but zero rate of immigration.

      • Nightowl April 15, 2019 at 4:17 pm #

        I wonder if SeaWelp has ever actually lived in Norway. Or anywhere outside of the country.

        I think I know the answer.

        • seawolf77 April 15, 2019 at 5:12 pm #

          Wonder all you want Nightworm. I think I know I’ll never tell.

          • Nightowl April 17, 2019 at 10:25 am #

            We already know.

      • GreenAlba April 15, 2019 at 7:14 pm #

        “Norway. It is not part of the European Union. ”

        One of the options available to the UK as a relationship with the EU after Brexit has been what is referred to in shorthand as ‘Norway’ (along with ‘Canada Plus’, with which I am less familiar).

        Norway is in EFTA (Eur’n Free Trade Ass’n) and the EEA (Eur’n Economic Area). Its representatives will tell you that it has a terrible deal with the EU, in that it is subjected to all the rules of the single market but has no say whatever in their formulation. It is obliged to accept the free movement of people, which is one of the four freedoms at the heart of the EU. And it pays a significant amount of money to the EU for the privilege (which is why the UK’s actual membership, with all its perks and exemptions, was such a good deal by comparison).

        What Norway does have is, as you point out, both the exceptional wealth that oil has brought, while only having a population the size of Scotland’s – around 5 million. ‘Scotland’s’ oil revenues went straight into the UK treasury to be used by Margaret Thatcher, in particular, to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy, rather than a sovereign wealth fund like Norway’s for all its citizens. They were also used to cover up the process of de-industrialisation as manufacturing industry was destroyed or allowed to fail and the UK turned into a service economy.

        There is information somewhere on Craig Murray’s site about the surveillance that went on of Scottish Nationalist activity back in the heady days of North Sea oil, as the UK government was terrified that the Scots would have their freedom and take their oil with them.

        Personally I was fine with sharing the oil – I’d just rather it had been used rather more like Norway’s. But then the UK economy was on its uppers back in the 70s, as the Brexit fans on here tend to forget.

        • GreenAlba April 15, 2019 at 7:15 pm #

          The reason the ‘Norway’ option is not popular among the harder Brexiters is, of course, the ‘free movement of people’ obligation that comes with it.

        • seawolf77 April 15, 2019 at 7:42 pm #

          Good summary. I didn’t know a lot of that.

        • Q. Shtik April 15, 2019 at 8:55 pm #

          UK economy was on its uppers – GA

          ===========

          down on (one’s) uppers. Having no money; broke. The phrase was originally used to describe people who were so poor that they had worn their shoes down to the uppers (the part of the shoe above the sole).

      • benr April 16, 2019 at 11:20 am #

        Low population as well.
        That model will not work when the population is larger and NOT working together for the better good.
        You know much like the balkanized United States.
        Out melting pot has really become a chamber pot due to mass migration.

    • Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 1:38 pm #

      Our System failed, thus trying to rebuild it is a simply a commitment to failure. We need to talk about ethnic cleansing and real stuff like that. And how we’re going to limit the franchise next time to only Men of proven knowledge, wisdom, and character.

      You simply refuse to learn. Or more likely, your steps are very slow – too slow to meet the gallupping reality.

      • rackslope April 15, 2019 at 2:16 pm #

        Dilly dilly! Real solutions all exist in the “stuff that cannot be discussed” PC netherworld. Instead we are inundated by socialist (communist) kumbaya propaganda which serves to hide the nefarious true agenda… which is a permanent global tyrannanical state.

    • Q. Shtik April 15, 2019 at 2:02 pm #

      I challenge everyone on this blog to bring up a nation or an ideal to replace what exists in the US. – JohnAZ

      ===============

      Um, Burkina Faso?

      • volodya April 15, 2019 at 3:38 pm #

        Burkina Faso may not be an ideal to strive for but it may be the working model.

    • TPTB-USA April 15, 2019 at 3:13 pm #

      Here is some food for thought …

      What Type of Government Should We Strive For?
      armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/civil-unrest/the-difference-between-the-left-right/

      “The two-year term for Congress was selected by the founding fathers based on the Genoa model. Our problem, however, they failed to impose a term limit. The founding fathers ASSUMED that since a Congressman was not paid and donated his time for a few weeks each year that it was not necessary to limit the terms. Congressmen received only $6 per day for their travel and expenses prior to 1815 when they began to pay themselves annually $1500. From then on, Congress became seriously disconnected from the people and fell into a separate political class.”

      • messianicdruid April 15, 2019 at 7:58 pm #

        Re-Elect Nobody until Nobody gets elected.

    • Luhrenloup April 15, 2019 at 3:41 pm #

      We await the cataclysmic disaster that will bring down the US, which has become a rogue state; because the people are truly powerless to bring about change. Look at what’s happening in Venezuela, our state can, and would do the same here, in a heartbeat if needed. Hopefully the international community that will follow after the disaster will install safeguards to protect the world’s people from the rule of a terrorist predominant power.

      In the going too far department: Trump is now saying that he was only joking when he said, “I love Wikileaks,” 141 times. What a cuck!

  19. njguy73 April 15, 2019 at 12:08 pm #

    “he’s basically on Team Russia”

    When did former “Face The Nation” hosts start talking like Twilight fans? Can you imagine past journalists talking like that?

    Edward R. Murrow: “This McCarthy cat is one uptight square, narcing on everyone.”

    Seymour Hersh: “Oh, man, the My Lai deal was this total head trip.”

    Christiane Amanpour: “This Bosnia-type deal thing is a major bummer.”

  20. seawolf77 April 15, 2019 at 1:09 pm #

    I’m not sure about the rest of the people on this blog but ever since Trump reared his orange head I feel like I am in the Twilight Zone. If you had told me that a President of the United States would be suspected of colluding with Russia to steal an election 10 years ago I would have laughed and thought you were totally deranged. If you had told me that a reality TV star would be president I would have shrugged and said yeah maybe. After all Reagan was a Grade-B list actor. But he was two term governor of California and a Republican, so the guy could govern and get elected. California’s famously high taxes are because of Reagan. But some one straight off a TV show, with no proof he would govern or win, I would have laughed. Who would support such a candidate? I knew people didn’t want another Bush, and I suspected people didn’t want another Clinton, but I thought people did want a woman president. What I didn’t know was how women didn’t want this woman. ABC- Anyone But Clinton. I think exactly what happened to the Republicans is going to happen to the Democrats. Some spoiler like Oprah or maybe George Clooney. I think Baba Vanga may have been right when she predicted Obama would be our last president, last meaning politician. From now on I think we may only get celebrities, people with no record to attack. Like a Mayor Pete. Someone who makes progressives feel good. Like Obama. Like Bill Clinton.

    • Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 1:42 pm #

      He lost you on the first day when he began his epic, “They’re rapists” speech. Race is everything to you. Everything.

      • seawolf77 April 15, 2019 at 1:48 pm #

        Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

        • rackslope April 15, 2019 at 2:18 pm #

          “Can’t we all just get along!” “Kumbaya My Lord, kumbaya…”

        • Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 2:21 pm #

          Yes, indeed. We are ideological brothers. And as the Book of the Law proclaims, “As Brothers fight ye.” For you see if a Man is a King, you cannot hurt Him. So what if I was to kill your body or you kill mine? Of what moment is that? There are far more important things, like keeping America, White and Western. Or for you, transforming it into Latin America, down and brown!

          And in any case, a Man is far more than his physical body. A King is one who knows that….

          • malthuss April 15, 2019 at 4:23 pm #

            writes for Jewlicious or anything, researchers at the Technion and the Rambam Medical Center discovered that 40% of Ashkenazi Jews, or about 3.5 million people, are descended from only four women.
            Each woman left a genetic signature that shows up in their descendants today, he and colleagues say in a report published online by the American Journal of Human Genetics. Together, their four signatures appear in about 40 percent of Ashkenazi Jews, while being virtually absent in non-Jews and found only rarely in Jews of non-Ashkenazi origin, the researchers said.

            They said the total Ashkenazi population is estimated at around 8 million people. The estimated world Jewish population is about 13 million.

            Ashkenazi Jews are a group with mainly central and eastern European ancestry. Ultimately, though, they can be traced back to Jews who migrated from Israel–baa–there was no Israel then.

            l to Italy in the first and second centuries, Behar said. Eventually this group moved to Eastern Europe in the 12th and 13th centuries and expanded greatly, reaching about 10 million just before World War II

            ALSO–do you know much about Lazar K? I need facts.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 5:24 pm #

            As Q said, they exist in far greater numbers than anyone imagines. They won’t allow their true numbers to be known.

            Wasn’t Kagonovitch the Jewish General under Stalin who order the mass rapes of German Women? I believe he’s responsible for about ten million deaths, making him one of history’s greatest mass murderers. A very willing executioner!

          • elysianfield April 16, 2019 at 11:58 am #

            “or about 3.5 million people, are descended from only four women.”

            Jesus, what a slut….

    • Walter B April 15, 2019 at 1:55 pm #

      I know exactly what you are talking about wolfie, I had the same feeling descend upon me on September 11, 2001 after Dirty Dick Cheney attacked US(A) in New York and DC. It got even worse when Barry O. got into office and proved so successful in turning every American against every other one. Of course once DJT was installed in office, the mindless assault on the very validity of his election did lower the bar to the level of the truly ridiculous. Will the Donald make anything better? I seriously doubt it. No one will make it better because it cannot be made better, it will only get worse. I look forward to arguing about the next occupant of the Oval Office with you all once that happens.

    • S M Tenneshaw April 15, 2019 at 10:05 pm #

      That’s right, peeps. President Pete Butty Boy is gonna make everythang alright.

      I remember when we had an actual left, represented by actual guys, like Pete Seeger. What the hell happened?

    • benr April 16, 2019 at 11:27 am #

      Sorry the twilight zone started under GWBush and only got crazier with Obama.
      One of the absolute worst residents in the Whitehouse.
      His Apology tour, beer summit, if I had a son he would look like Trayvon, Syria red line event, bitter clinger comment, well pretty much everything he said or did or didn’t do was right out of the twilight zone.
      You obviously have no real compass of Trump is more repulsive than Obama.

  21. 100th Avatar April 15, 2019 at 1:31 pm #

    I’m surprised Slate is still around.
    Bezos money I suppose.

    Their (pseudo)contrarian shtick wears thin quickly.

    Headlines always in the style:

    “The Real Reason..”
    “Why You’re Doing…. Wrong”
    “What Nobody Understands about..”
    “Why You’re Wrong about…”

    But alas that’s their gambit.
    The appeal.
    To the intellectually insecure.

    Aspirational sells, amigo

    • Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 1:44 pm #

      Hey that’s the way I talk! Why aren’t I rich too?

  22. Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 1:49 pm #

    Cher

    I Understand Helping struggling Immigrants,but MY CITY (Los Angeles) ISNT TAKING CARE OF ITS OWN.WHAT ABOUT THE 50,000+??Citizens WHO LIVE ON THE STREETS.PPL WHO LIVE BELOW POVERTY LINE,& HUNGRY? If My State Can’t Take Care of Its Own(Many Are VETS)How Can it Take Care Of More

    58.5K
    11:14 AM – Apr 14, 2019

    JS: Cher goes off the Rez. Seawolf weeps salty tears. Mommy doesn’t love you anymore, Sea!

    • malthuss April 15, 2019 at 4:21 pm #

      she of the 2 abortions, a few divorces, many face lifts [Id guess] and the he she daughter.

      BRH–I knew an antique dealer who helped sell Chers stuff online, via Elijah Blue.

      I asked does he have a job? Not as Chers son was the response.

  23. Elrond Hubbard April 15, 2019 at 2:21 pm #

    Anyone notice yet that Notre-Dame cathedral in Paris is burning down? The spire has already collapsed.

    cbc.ca/news/world/notre-dame-cathedral-paris-fire-1.5098604

    Damn.

    • Exscotticus April 15, 2019 at 2:43 pm #

      This story may just have enough potential to knock Trump-bashing off the airwaves for a cycle or two. Destruction of history is something the Left can get behind!

      • Walter B April 15, 2019 at 3:53 pm #

        I don’t think so exscot, I hear it is already making the rounds that the fire was Trump’s fault!

        • hmuller April 15, 2019 at 8:07 pm #

          Of course, if only Trump had signed the Paris Protocols, we could have avoided all this global warming which dried out the timber, structurally weakening Notre Dame Cathedral.

          It’s always Trump’s fault. If a Moslem set the fire, he only did it because Trump made him so damn mad!

      • Nightowl April 15, 2019 at 4:21 pm #

        No. Unhinged progressives are already trying to tie it to Bannon.

        You cannot make this stuff up.

      • Exscotticus April 15, 2019 at 6:33 pm #

        Well I suppose the best place to get an unbiased perspective of this conflagration would be The Blaze.

        Too soon?

    • malthuss April 15, 2019 at 4:19 pm #

      started at sunset, traffic jams prevented some fire engines from reaching the church quickly.

    • seawolf77 April 15, 2019 at 5:21 pm #

      The gargoyles wreaking havoc. If Trump had his way there would have been no immigration from Gargoylistan and this never would have happened. Build a damn wall around those monsters! They’re arsonists, they’re criminals. Where was Quasimodo when you needed him? Probably with Quasimoda doing the Quasi boogie.

      • 100th Avatar April 15, 2019 at 6:17 pm #

        I wish I could have a “Deleted by Admin for… stupidity, childishness, mindlessness, etc.” button for SeaDolt contributions.

        • seawolf77 April 15, 2019 at 7:22 pm #

          Lighten up Numero Culo.

        • hmuller April 15, 2019 at 8:02 pm #

          Amazingly, he actually thinks he’s funny.

      • Tate April 15, 2019 at 7:49 pm #

        Waiting to see the briefly available but later suppressed video of the “Gargoyles” cheering the destruction.

        • James Howard Kunstler April 16, 2019 at 6:55 am #

          Seawolf is now banned from this blogroll. — JHK

          • Exscotticus April 16, 2019 at 10:59 am #

            I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in ecstasy…

          • elysianfield April 16, 2019 at 12:17 pm #

            Exscot,
            In the period of time that he had most recently returned to the site, Wolfie presented a much darker, corrosive worldview than he had years before. I rarely agreed with his comments, but….

          • benr April 16, 2019 at 1:42 pm #

            Permaban or warning ban?
            By ip address or name?
            One always equals a return the other just requires an ip address change. One can usually ban an entire ip range but even then changing ones service provider can fix that or running a proxy. If there is a way to ban by MAC address they at least then need to swap out NIC cards or get a different computer.

            I find the mans post odious at best but there is some worth in seeing the political enemies diatribes realized for all to see.
            Please let me know if I ever approach the threshold for even the thought of ban.
            Again thanks for the site and free flow of ideas.

    • 100th Avatar April 15, 2019 at 5:46 pm #

      The symbolism is.. er, befitting.

      Au revoir ouest

  24. Exscotticus April 15, 2019 at 2:25 pm #

    It sounds like a bunch of gay guys contemplating a potential makeover target.

  25. BackRowHeckler April 15, 2019 at 2:32 pm #

    Notre Dame Cathedral on fire, symbolic end of Catholic France?

    Drove to nearby (small) industrial city on this rainy day to look at their massive WW1 art deco monument. It took a lot of civic and national pride to build a monument like that, ‘specially in the middle of the Great Depression (1934) Also, its set in a park designed by Fredrick Law Olmsted.

    Lot of bums, vagrants and homeless around. Here’s the odd thing: they all were looking down into their cellphones.

    John Steinbeck noted in the 1930s that all the okies were driving to the poorhouse in Chevrolet automobiles. Now they are watching youtube on electronic devices.

    Brh

    • K-Dog April 15, 2019 at 2:45 pm #

      Soul inflation, they are not worth what they used to be.

      • malthuss April 15, 2019 at 4:18 pm #

        leave it to you to troll. what art or architecture have you created?

        • K-Dog April 15, 2019 at 5:31 pm #

          I do have a patent. You had to ask. Now kiss my ass.

          • malthuss April 15, 2019 at 5:34 pm #

            whats the patent? number? for? making you money?

          • K-Dog April 15, 2019 at 5:54 pm #

            It has to do with using a look up table and replacing some complicated math with something fast an easy to do. An approximation to correct for distortion when scanning an image with a laser beam. Very esoteric. I didn’t think the idea was so original but my employer did. But that was ok since it meant an extra ten bucks in my pay for that week.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2019 at 1:11 am #

            All I want to know, Is are you my kind?

        • K-Dog April 15, 2019 at 5:34 pm #

          It sort of rhymed. Never mind. But I am a very inventive guy.

          • K-Dog April 15, 2019 at 5:43 pm #

            And I do have one. Just like Hedy Lamartine!

          • K-Dog April 15, 2019 at 5:44 pm #

            Hedy Lamar.

          • K-Dog April 15, 2019 at 5:45 pm #

            Lamarr! That last time it was the phone.

    • malthuss April 15, 2019 at 4:15 pm #

      Yes. I avoid TV, mostly. I walked by a screen and saw a fire and was stopped in my tracks.

      I wonder if it had a good fire extinguisher system?
      I wonder what it is insured for [it IS irreplaceable].

      etc.

      also

      PEOPLE.COM/CRIME/TEXAS-BOY-ALLEGEDLY-KILLED-PROFESSIONAL-BOXER/

    • malthuss April 15, 2019 at 4:16 pm #

      bums, vagrants and homeless–the term ‘homeless’ would have sufficed.

      • BackRowHeckler April 15, 2019 at 4:45 pm #

        Regarding Notre Dame, there’s been ongoing re construction maintence inside the Cathedral. Maybe somebody got careless.

        More ominously, there have been a rash of Church desecration and vandalism across the country going back a few years.

        France has problems, even worse than ours.

        Brh

        • malthuss April 15, 2019 at 5:35 pm #

          I wonder how or who started it.

          • BackRowHeckler April 15, 2019 at 5:47 pm #

            Could be just an accident. Some of that timber is 800 years old, dry as a bone.

            Brh

        • Tate April 15, 2019 at 7:58 pm #

          They could use engineered lumber to rebuild it at 1/2 the original cost.

        • benr April 16, 2019 at 11:32 am #

          Ugh going across Europe, Africa and the middle east for well as long as a certain cultish religion has been founded.
          Destroying the houses of worship, statues of others has been their collective crusade since around 600 ad.

        • Nightowl April 17, 2019 at 10:32 am #

          Yes. Part of me is a little suspicous given the recent spate of church vandalism both in Fr. and Germany, but it could very well have been related to the construction/maintenance.

          That roof was constructed from some 13,000 oak trees from the 13th century. Well-seasoned, I suppose.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 5:20 pm #

        Thieves, Thieves, Tramps and Thieves.

    • GreenAlba April 15, 2019 at 7:42 pm #

      “Notre Dame Cathedral on fire, symbolic end of Catholic France?”

      Catholic France went a long time ago and it was nothing to do with immigrants. The thing the fire may prove symbolic of is people not paying proper attention to what they’re doing when they’re undertaking massive repairs to historic buildings. No-one knows yet, obviously, but it could well be an electrical fault.

      If that is what it proves to be – or something similar – we had the same thing here with a less historic building, but a greatly loved one nevertheless.

      The Glasgow School of Art building designed by Charles Rennie Mackintosh suffered a serious fire and was painstakingly restored at enormous expense. Then just as the renovations were being completed it went up in flames again, this time down to an empty shell.

      Notre Dame has been there for 800 years and took 100 years to build. It’s heartbreaking – whether you’re Catholic or not. The entire wooden structure has been destroyed, with only the stone remaining. I can’t imagine how Parisians in particular must be feeling.

      • benr April 16, 2019 at 11:33 am #

        Crime against humanity if you ask me.

        • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 12:14 pm #

          Well we don’t know anything yet at all, benr, but if it turns out to be negligence on the part of the contractors doing the renovation, I wouldn’t want to be the person(s) responsible on the day. It’s the kind of thing that could make a person jump off an equally high building.

          But at this stage it could be anything, arson included (but that would surprise me). The human species is no strange to cock-ups, though. Including massive ones. Imagine how that poor baker felt who started the Great Fire of London!

          • benr April 16, 2019 at 1:45 pm #

            Negligence or otherwise irreplaceable.
            I for one wished to see it I love the old architecture and find it fascinating.
            Stepping in places were others have trod for thousands of years.
            Sad.

          • Q. Shtik April 17, 2019 at 11:16 am #

            w(h)ere others have trod for thousands of years. – benr

            =============

            Reminds me of an old joke:

            Guy tells a friend he’s making a business trip to Boston and it’ll be his first time ever in that city. Friend says, “when you go out to eat you MUST have scrod.” Traveler flies into Logan Airport, hails a taxi and asks the driver “Hey, where can I get scrod around here?” The cabby answers, “Pal, I’ve heard that question a thousand times but this is the first time in the pluperfect subjunctive.”

    • elysianfield April 16, 2019 at 12:12 pm #

      “Notre Dame Cathedral on fire, symbolic end of Catholic France?”

      BRH,
      I’m not Catholic, nor a Francophile…however;

      I feel unsettled. I feel diminished. A great loss that I did not feel even when the twin towers came down. Unparalleled beauty, an icon of Western Culture that can never be duplicated… destroyed.

      It will never be rebuilt to its former glory. A commenter on a news channel opined that the inspiration for the Cathedral was that it was built for the glory of God…. That ethic in our culture no longer can exist. I see the destruction as symbolic, not for the end of Catholic France, but rather the end of Western Culture.

      I apologize…words fail me.

  26. davidreese2 April 15, 2019 at 2:45 pm #

    Should Mr. Assonge be extradited to the US, I wonder if he’ll be assassinated by the Deep State, or just tortured.

  27. tucsonspur April 15, 2019 at 4:13 pm #

    I can’t speak of Assange as Notre Dame burns. Sadly, a long time ago, I wanted to make love there but I was alone. Make love on the altar of God. Its spiritual and architectural majesty was so overwhelming, I needed to bond, to share, to strengthen, both physically and emotionally with another soul.

    But just as well. Flames would have engulfed it decades ago.

    • malthuss April 15, 2019 at 4:17 pm #

      Flames would have engulfed it decades ago.

      whats that mean?

      History, up in smoke.

      • tucsonspur April 15, 2019 at 7:52 pm #

        Malth, where’s your imagination?

        …..decades ago, had I done so!

  28. malthuss April 15, 2019 at 4:21 pm #

    HUGE DAMAGE

    LIVE STREAM

    NEXT 90 MINUTES CRUCIAL

    youtube.com/watch?v=6mlFCAOSpa0

  29. malthuss April 15, 2019 at 4:33 pm #

    REVILO you still here?

  30. JohnAZ April 15, 2019 at 4:54 pm #

    A cathedral in the Middle Ages was four very tall walls held up by flying buttresses, al made of Stone. The stone masons guild started building cathedrals. The roof was wood rafters and covered with sheet wood, that is what is burning. The walls and buttresses could not handle a heavier roof structure. When the fire is done, the walls will be standing but the building will be gutted. Relics of Christianity are involved. Great art is involved. I hope for the sake of peace that this was an accident. It took one hundred years to build the initial cathedral. It will hopefully take less than that to rebuild it. If anyone can afford it.

    • 100th Avatar April 15, 2019 at 5:55 pm #

      Gaudi’s Sagrada Familia isn’t even finished, yet still they must foil attempts at its destruction by the religious barbarians.

      Te ND blaze may be the result of restoration work.
      Hoe the company is bonded and insured for destruction to priceless relics.

    • Exscotticus April 15, 2019 at 6:40 pm #

      Stone is not immune to fire. The walls may be standing but structural integrity may be compromised.

  31. JohnAZ April 15, 2019 at 5:21 pm #

    Always back, Seawolf, you posted a very good statement of your hopelessness about the situation. I hear your cry. I had a friend in the 80’s that used to say, we need a businessman as President to make economic sense out of DC. Politicians are bums, their risk profile is terrible. They are so afraid to do anything that will make a difference because they know whatever it is, half the people will be pissed. Politicians inherently resist change as a consequence. Think about it, Obama came at the end of a long Liberal period and he really did nothing. He was a poster boy for the element in DC who think that only intelligent people in a central government can run the country successfully. These folks are arch enemies to the FF concept, JohnLocke too, that the people can run the country. Liberty at its max is dependent on this concept.

    Trump is that businessman who does not politicize much of anything. His bluntness May be what turns you off, but he is trying to cut through the business as usual DC that is failing so badly. He may not be the answer but he is a much better choice than a socialist. Socialism will steal your freedom, more control by the government takes away your liberty. That is a big piece of what is happening, people are opting for government control to give themselves economic security.

    That is the biggest con job in human history and has been pulled over people’s eyes for thousands of years by Machiavellian Shylocks.

    The American experiment is getting closer and closer to failure as the takers are overcoming the givers. You may not like the mannerisms of Trump but his ideals are a lot closer to some one who represents what I think America is all about than any of the Progressives bandying about.

    You answered my query with Norway. If America is so bad, why are people from all over the world trying to get in here. A question for you, if Norway had no oil from the North Sea, would they be just another poor socialist country?

    The last thing this country needs right now is a Bush, Clinton style do nothing politician. I will judge my next presidential vote based on who is the most willing to cut the Deep States legs out from underneath them.

    • Majella April 15, 2019 at 9:07 pm #

      John AZ ” If America is so bad, why are people from all over the world trying to get in here”

      There doesn’t appear to be a clamoring horde of Scandanavians at the border…those who want so badly to get into the USA are fleeing what your Great Leader called ‘shithole’ countries.

      Yet, ironically, to many Europeans, believe it or not, the US is a ‘shithole’ country. Rampant, in-your-face poverty, shitty wages for the working class, expensive healthcare – if they have access at all – and a hollowed out public education system.

      I doubt you’d find many Scandanavians agreeing with you that ‘socialism will steal your freedom’.

      As to Norway’s oil, Sweden doesn’t have any, nor Denmark nor Finland, nor Iceland – yet all these socialist states are thriving, economically, and they have both the highest standards of living in human history AND the highest ‘happiness’ quotients too. (US comes in at 18th, behind Costa Rica FFS!)

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report#2019_World_Happiness_Report

      • benr April 16, 2019 at 11:45 am #

        Hmm your post is mostly wrong.

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Norway

        Oops.

        Or
        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production
        Sweden used to be an oil exporter so I suspect if they looked they would find some now.

        Denmark:
        Denmark has considerable sources of oil and natural gas in the North Sea and ranked as number 32 in the world among net exporters of crude oil in 2008. … In 2012 the Danish government adopted a plan to increase the share of electricity production from wind to 50% by 2020, and to 84% in 2035.

        Hmm your wrong again.

        As far as Iceland oil production goes it’s to expensive and risky but even they have oil.
        So you are sort of right….surprise.
        It took all of three minutes on GOOGLE to see your post is mostly wrong.

        • Majella April 17, 2019 at 6:56 pm #

          benr: “Hmm your post is mostly wrong.
          en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Norway
          Oops.”

          Care to explain the relevance of this reference? Which statement does it prove ‘mostly wrong’?

          and

          “Or
          en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production
          Sweden used to be an oil exporter so I suspect if they looked they would find some now.”

          Yes, I said Sweden doesn’t have any – I’ll correct that to ‘Sweden doesn’t PRODUCE any’

          and

          “Denmark:
          Denmark has considerable sources of oil and natural gas in the North Sea and ranked as number 32 in the world among net exporters of crude oil in 2008. … ”

          Yes, admittedly, but not ‘considerable’. Its production averages 140,000 bpd versus Norway’s 1,650,000 bpd. As this is mostly an economic discussion, in this context Denmark has all but ‘none’. It certainly doesn’t rely on it for economic strength.

          “In 2012 the Danish government adopted a plan to increase the share of electricity production from wind to 50% by 2020, and to 84% in 2035.”

          Clever, aren’t they, these Scandanavians! They see the future as being green technology and are making it happen. Norway too:

          ‘The independent Norwegian Road Federation (NRF) said on Wednesday that electric cars rose to 31.2 percent of all sales last year, from 20.8 percent in 2017 and just 5.5 percent in 2013, while sales of petrol and diesel cars plunged.’

          Sure, this behavior is incentivized with tax breaks (hmmm as in the US, if I’m not mistaken) but such a giant & meaningful conversion is beyond possible in the current US environment with gas at less than $3 a gallon. The Norwegian equivalent is $7.91 a gallon.

          I had a beer yesterday with a friend who’s just picked up his 5.7l V8 Ram truck. He’s retired and has no use for it other than he ‘likes it’. Gets 17 mpg combined (15 & 22). So he gets 22 mpg on the open road, unloaded. I told him I thought that’s ridiculous, and he didn’t disagree, but, hey, as he said, he can afford it so wtf!

          Only three minutes to refute me, benr? Maybe you should read the material rather than just skim a headline or two and copy a link as ‘research’.

      • Nightowl April 17, 2019 at 10:42 am #

        They aren’t actually socialist. They have mixed economies like the US. I agree they are more balanced in favor of the little person. There is a real safety net here if you need it, and healthcare and retirement options will ensure you won’t fall through the cracks if you contribute to society in economic terms.

        The biggest differences I notice are mostly cultural, and the lack of the all dominating media/entertainment complex that infects the majority of Americans’ brains.

        • Majella April 17, 2019 at 7:22 pm #

          Hey Nightowl

          I agree – there’s a real safety net in the US if you need it, but you have to hit almost abject poverty to get any welfare, and then feel like a lazy, sponging leech as you apply & receive any financial assistance.

          Medicaid is a real safety net, too, but you won’t find many commenters on this blog singing its praises.

          Social Security & Medicare are likewise responsible for keeping the majority of seniors both fed & healthy (in the main). But even then, the 20% copay on Medicare can be beyond the means of many.

          My friend George (he with the 5.7L Ram truck mentioned above) and his wife Liz are in their mid-70s and have a separate insurance policy exclusively to cover the Medicare co-pay. IN all they pay close to $900 pm for their Medicare & the associated insurance policy. They can afford it.

          In Single Payer states, such as Western Europe, Canada, Australia & New Zealand, there’s ZERO cost levied on the person needing care & treatment & on-going medication – nada, zip, zilch. That’s what a socialized medical regime actually delivers.

          Who else saw Bernie on the Fox-hosted Town Hall (in Trumpland, Bethlehem PA), when uber-rich ($7m p.a.) dickhead Brett Baier asked the audience who would be willing to forego their private, employer-provided healthcare insurance for Medicare for all? The crowd, a real mixture of political views and incomes almost unanimously said “NO!”

          Watch the whole thing, but that moment is at 23:00 –

          youtube.com/watch?v=p4ozAACcc8I

    • Majella April 15, 2019 at 9:13 pm #

      Trump – he’s a dangerously underestimated force for ‘evil’. His “conspiracy theorizing” is just so destructive:

      ” With Trump in power, there’s a danger that his dark fantasies may be realized. Democracies depend on buy-in; citizens need to believe in certain basics, starting with the legitimacy of elections. Trump both runs the government and runs it down.

      The electoral system, he asserts, can’t be trusted. Voter fraud is rampant. His contempt for institutions ranging from the courts (“slow and political”) to the Federal Communications Commission (“so sad and unfair”) to the F.B.I. (“What are they hiding?”) weakens those institutions, thereby justifying his contempt. As government agencies “lose competence and capacity, they will come to look more and more illegitimate to more and more people/”

      Trump is so closely tied to the “new conspiracism” that it can be hard to tell the ranter from the rant. Then again, it’s hard to imagine his ascent without other key developments: the polarization of the electorate, a generation of attacks (mostly from the right) on the news media and government, and, of course, the rise of the Web. Spreading conspiracy theories once had a price—printing or even mimeographing a tract costs money—but now, anyone can post a madcap theory or a doctored photograph virtually for free.”

      Muirhead & Rosenblum: “A Lot of People Are Saying: The New Conspiracism and the Assault on Democracy.”

      • K-Dog April 16, 2019 at 12:24 am #

        Trump – he’s a dangerously underestimated force for ‘evil’.

        We don’t have evil in America. We only have other points of view. You imagine a slippery slope but people would have to care about the nation far more than they have for a very long time for you scenario to be plausible. You imagine America falling from a great height but in our next act, we merely trip.

        • K-Dog April 16, 2019 at 12:24 am #

          your scenario

        • Majella April 17, 2019 at 8:02 pm #

          Sorry K-Dog, but I stand by what I said.

          He is undermining – whether deliberately or just by accident rather than design – many of the long-standing institutions on which American Society rests.

          I would refer you to Michael Lewis’s “The Fifth Risk” which is a detailed and granular examination of exactly what has happened in the last 2 years.

      • Exscotticus April 16, 2019 at 10:38 am #

        @Majella,

        Trump’s been in power for over two years, and all the Left’s wacknut predictions regarding a Trump presidency have failed to materialize. He didn’t launch nukes. He didn’t invoke martial law. He didn’t ignore the judiciary. And of course he didn’t collude with Russia.

        You clearly don’t like what he says. But guess what? Many of us don’t like what the Left says. Trump is offensive? Perhaps. But so is describing 9/11 as: “some people did something”. And no amount of “context” excuses Omar from what is clearly her pro-Muslim anti-Semitic agenda.

        And rather than censure Omar and admit that what she said was callous and offensive, Dem leaders doubled down to defend her. That’s not leadership; that’s both cowardice and mendacity.

        • Majella April 17, 2019 at 8:10 pm #

          “wacknut predictions”?

          It seems to me that the exact same could be said of all rabid ravings of your lot when Obama was in office. He was coming for your guns, wasn’t he? There were plenty of books written about Obama’s evil intentions and none of those came to pass either.

          “Secret Muslim. Socialist. Amateur. Anti-American. Criminal.

          “Throughout the presidency of Barack Obama, and even before it, a chorus of writers has stood stage right, reinterpreting the era but mainly eviscerating the man. Obama, initially little known, became a literary subgenre and publishing obsession, with countless volumes attacking the president, promising to unmask who he really is, what he really thinks and why he does the things he does. And for a while, at least, the books sold well.

          Selecting a representative set among dozens and dozens of titles in the Obama hatred literature is not easy. Do you go with “Impeachable Offenses” or “The Manchurian President”? “Divider-in-Chief” or “The Obama Nation”? “Culture of Corruption” or “The Roots of Obama’s Rage”? A sample of such books, spanning 2008 to 2016, shows that, while the anti-Obama canon can be predictable, it is by no means static. The aversion to the president is always growing, and the nature of that aversion is always evolving toward harsher conclusions.”

          Carlos Lozada.

          As to denying Omr context is willful ignorance. But I’m not surprised. Your narrative cannot be deflected by reason & facts.

          • Exscotticus April 17, 2019 at 9:04 pm #

            Actually, I don’t see much difference between Obama and Bush. I mean in substance, obviously—not style.

            Obama never really met a Bush policy he didn’t like. Whether it was torturing, assassinating, locking suspects up indefinitely without a trial, trying suspects in secret courts with secret witnesses and secret evidence, domestic spying, offshore drilling, the continuation of the “war on terror”, deficit spending—you name the Bush policy and Obama was likely for it. Hope and change indeed.

            And let’s not forget the massive deportations! Trump is still trying to catch up to Obama’s stats in this regard.

            So I have to agree with you that the Right overreacted.

            As for Omar, I watched the entire video from beginning to end. The context changed nothing.

            She described the massacre of Muslims in New Zealand as a “tragic, tragic nightmare.” She described 9/11 as “some people did something.”

            As with most Muslims living in non-Muslim-majority nations, she utterly refuses to acknowledge the constant daily acts of terror by Muslims.

            She uses herself as an example of how Islam doesn’t subjugate women. She says this even as she wears the required head garb. Now THAT is irony.

            What she fails to appreciate is that it’s not Islam that provided her with a seat in Congress; it’s American freedom and democracy. Her ambitions would not be possible in Saudi Arabia—the very birthplace of Islam.

      • benr April 16, 2019 at 11:49 am #

        Odd considering what is evil is at most a point of view.
        Consider for just a moment that I find Socialism to be evil.
        Communism even worse.
        Trump is troll he gets off on pissing people like you off.
        That is not evil.
        Evil is ripping babies from the womb and murdering people, burning down peoples property, churches, kicking dogs and hurting animals just because.

        • Majella April 17, 2019 at 8:31 pm #

          “…what is evil is at most a point of view”

          Objective reality says otherwise. I agree Communism is evil in its actual practiced form in the USSR & Maoist China, but both systems were corrupted, and not true to the thinking of Marx & Engels.

          Trump is evil – an admitted sexual assaulter, a tax cheat and a compulsive liar. There’s is almost nothing he says that can be trusted. Yet you do. Go figure.

  32. JohnAZ April 15, 2019 at 5:37 pm #

    Did anyone notice that Tiger Woods in his reverie, is Black?

    That is right, excellence and resilience have no color.

    • tucsonspur April 15, 2019 at 8:06 pm #

      I’m with George Carlin on Tiger Woods. And fuck golf too!

      Good for some laughs though.

      youtube.com/watch?v=phagxOal7_A

      youtube.com/watch?v=ZW-enbDAsAg

    • Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 11:27 pm #

      Actually he doesn’t identify as Black, but rather tri-racial. But I believe Blacks consider him one of their own.

      Still denying Race. You can’t be part of the solution until you overcome this blindness. The New America will be White or nothing – just like the old One. Coincidence?

      • Tate April 16, 2019 at 9:57 am #

        I wanted to say something yesterday about the preening but restrained myself.

        When are whites going to realize that the 50 year detente is over? It’s the Boomers who are the worst. And yes, I’m one.

  33. malthuss April 15, 2019 at 5:43 pm #

    The 5 year old boy is dead.

  34. malthuss April 15, 2019 at 5:45 pm #

    Honor killing of 4–in USA.
    Killed his own children, at 7.5 minutes.

    youtube.com/watch?v=XxcBlFpgJ6c

  35. FincaInTheMountains April 15, 2019 at 6:51 pm #

    Notre Dame Cathedral and World Projects in Israel

    “Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.”

    “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us. Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward”

    Mark 9:38-50

    I finished the previous post with the story that one of the main methods or, better to say, markers of the Black World Project that have been reproduced from century to century for almost 900 years has been the use of racial rather than religious anti-Semitism to destroy Christianity.

    Moreover, I began to tell, but did not have time to state the final result of my Internet research, according to which racial and not religious anti-Semitism was invented by the “holy” Bernard of Clairvaux due to the fact that the Pope of Jewish origin Anacletus II almost strangled the Great Schism and the Fourth Crusade by convincing Henry Beauclerc, the son of William the Bastard, also known as William the Conqueror, to stop the Fourth Crusade and restore the Orthodox Church in England by marrying Matilda I – great-granddaughter of Russian Yaroslav the Wise and the daughter of the Saint Margaret of Scotland.

    But Anacletus II was the most significant figure of the union of Christianity, the Viking Empire, consisting of the British Isles, Denmark, Scandinavia and Russia, and West European Jewry, united on February 15, 1130 for a joint struggle against the Black World Project.

    That is, Anacletus II represented the very coalition that had just prevented Hillary the Great and Terrible from acquiring the American red button, defeated the Islamic State in Syria and won the elections in Israel, and Putin made a decisive contribution to the victory of Netanyahu.

    I come home and find out that Notre-Dame de Paris, which is undoubtedly the most significant symbol of the Black World Project and the Fourth Crusade, has burned down!

    I’m shocked!!

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQWnuUIhSLFSH_LwaZbRV9Yyk44eQqH-ggpuq1NhsE57r–3vjJ

    askideas.com/media/36/Front-Picture-Of-Notre-Dame-de-Paris.jpg

  36. pentrus April 15, 2019 at 6:52 pm #

    I seldom comment on these posts, but I have long wondered about the vitriol against Assange. I read all of the accusations but see no convictions or even any credible evidence that he is the creep many paint him. I wish more foreign governments had not abandoned their daily shortwave broadcasts where one could be sure to at least get the international news from truly different perspectives. I still hang on listening to Radio Havana Cuba (yeah, I realize they have a slant to, but at least it’s a different slant from our own media machine) and can find some of the international view on the Internet, but I miss the days of feeling one could get so much uncensored news from all over the world.

    As for Notre Dame, I think it’s done. I can’t imagine the French have enough national pride to pay for a replica. The real damage is the loss all of the art and the “made by hand” structural components. Such an incredible loss.

    • GreenAlba April 15, 2019 at 7:58 pm #

      Petrus

      “As for Notre Dame, I think it’s done. I can’t imagine the French have enough national pride to pay for a replica. ”

      That makes no sense and is quite outrageous. You obviously don’t know the French. They have more national pride than you can begin to imagine and money wouldn’t be the issue. If it took 100 years to build it could take 50 to rebuild. It’s what you do with it that’s the issue when the entire guts of the building and, as you say, all the art, have gone. A replica? What would that even mean?

      • GreenAlba April 15, 2019 at 8:00 pm #

        I’ve only lived there for four years and I’m bristling on their behalf, so goodness knows how they’d feel if they heard someone say that.

        Nothing personal, Petrus.

        • 100th Avatar April 15, 2019 at 10:10 pm #

          Most importantly: What’s the f***** point?

          It’s gone.

          Time catches all, even the 800 year olds.

          But good race nevertheless.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 8:13 am #

            Well, it appears Macron has vowed to have it rebuilt, Avatar. Which is what I’ve have expected, knowing the French.to at least some extent. It’s the idea of a ‘replica’ that’s questionable, as it has a Disneyland sound to it, although who knows how they will decide to go about it.

            After the Luftwaffe flattened most of Coventry Cathedral, the remains were left (as ‘hallowed ground’, a Grade A listed building, and a salutary reminder of the folly of war) and a new, modern cathedral built beside it. But I’m sure what Macron and his advisers will have in mind is an actual reconstruction, albeit not necessarily a total replica.

            It’s instructive visiting the remains of beautiful abbeys in places like the Border country between Scotland and England and reading how many times some of them were burned down by English armies and rebuilt over hundreds of years , so even what we look at as ancient was a new version, as is the way also with so many ancient churches that were renovated and added to over the years. So if Paris isn’t under water 500 years from now, people will look at the reconstruction as just a stage in the life of an ancient and venerated building, assuming our future living arrangements allow for such wonders to be maintained. Maybe we take a longer view on this side of the pond!

            The other point that occurred to me, more cynically, is that French presidents like legacies – Mitterrand left the Pyramid in front of the Louvre; Pompidou left the Centre named after him in Beaubourg. But this would be a heck of a legacy project to be associated with, although one president won’t see it through. And the national emotion around it could boost Macron’s flagging (understatement of the week) ratings the way the Falklands war did the same for Maggie Thatcher. Not that I suspect his motives at all. It will be a labour of love for all involved, as well as of national prestige.

            People who don’t know the French should be wary of interpreting them through their own ideological lenses. I believe the fundraising has already started. I’m sure UNESCO will be making a hefty donation, but I’ll be happy to contribute too. I got permission to work in the Paris office of my firm for a few months a decade ago, just for fun, and I used to get off the RER early on many evenings at the Notre Dame stop and walk home along the Seine (I stayed in the Marais – it was a very expensive few months I treated myself to!). I still feel immensely privileged that I as able to do that just as my walk home from work.

            Some people think central Paris is just a museum but I don’t care!

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 8:14 am #

            *I’d have expected*

          • Exscotticus April 16, 2019 at 10:55 am #

            >>> Well, it appears Macron has vowed to have it rebuilt, Avatar.

            It was the only thing Macron could say. Had it been terrorism, he could have diverted with talk of justice. But he didn’t have that political card to play.

            I think they will rebuild. But I agree with pentrus that it won’t be the same. They’ll be lucky if they get a replica. The new stained glass could very well be an homage to one-world kumbaya, with imagary from Islam right along side Christianity, and rainbow flags for the LGBT crowd.

            >>> Mitterrand left the Pyramid in front of the Louvre

            Exactly! The temptation for both politicians and architects to leave their mark on the Notre Dame will be too tempting. Rebuild it exactly as before? Not a chance.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 12:41 pm #

            Well, I’ll say one thing, Exscotticus. I’ve not yet seen a tragic event of this stature that’s led to quite so much shoehorning of personal prejudices. Why am I even surprised?

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 12:51 pm #

            “Rebuild it exactly as before? Not a chance.”

            How could you possibly build an 800-year-old building with priceless artefacts, exactly as before? It’s insulting even to think you could.

            Just as insulting as suggesting the French wouldn’t have enough national pride to rebuild it at all.

          • Exscotticus April 16, 2019 at 1:06 pm #

            GA that’s a straw man. By “as before” I clearly mean a replica. Dop I need to define that, too? As close to the original as reasonably possible.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 3:01 pm #

            I’m more concerned about the shoehorning, Ex.. And not just yours. But I shouldn’t have been surprised.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 9:52 pm #

            The news is looking better, Exscotticus. The stained glass window in question is safe so you won’t need to fret about its hypothetical PC replacement.

            Also the sapeurs-pompiers had a strict code of priorities: (a) lives, (b) artefacts, (c) structure, on the sensible basis of which of these mattered most and/or could be reconstructed/replaced, so only about 20% of the artefacts were actually lost, as far as I understand it. Not good, but it could have been measurably worse.

            And Macron aims to have it rebuilt within five years. I think that’s possibly foolish. It doesn’t need to be rebuilt within five years – it just needs to be rebuilt well.

            But there are skilled master craftsmen and there is wood, so I’m confident that we will be impressed with the result. And as I suggested earlier with regard to our own ancient abbeys and cathedrals, many of these buildings have historically been burned down and rebuilt. They are in any case formed of layers of history and this will be another layer.

            The south transept of York Minster burned down some time ago and no normal person would be any the wiser looking at it now. The work is phenomenal.

            Likewise Windsor Castle – it’s something that happens. And the buildings recover and go on.

          • GreenAlba April 17, 2019 at 8:17 pm #

            Just heard from my friend in Paris. Architects there are saying it would take 10-20 years to rebuild it as it was, so I feel (a) vindicated in my judgement and (b) sorry if they’re not going to restore it as near to its former glory as they might if they took more time.

            I suspect (possibly) Macron wants the reflected glory and hopes he might be the one to ‘unveil’ the ‘new’ cathedral. French prezzies and their legacy aspirations. It would be nice if he ‘took advice’ on the matter.

            Meanwhile the firefighters seem to have done themselves massive credit in getting out 80% of the artefacts out with the roof burning above their heads.

          • GreenAlba April 17, 2019 at 8:18 pm #

            one ‘out’ too many…

      • BackRowHeckler April 15, 2019 at 9:43 pm #

        Maybe it’ll be rebuilt … as a Mosque

        and suffer the fate of thousands of other former churches, chapels and cathedrals across the breadth of Europe and Great Britain, beginning with St Sofia’s in the former Constantinople, the first outrage far from the last.

        brh

        • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 6:50 am #

          There’s always one…

        • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 9:07 am #

          brh

          I know that the Brick Lane mosque in London used to be an orthodox Jewish synagogue until it was sold. Perhaps you could give me a list of British *churches* that have been converted to mosques.

          Quite a number of redundant churches have been converted to private homes, which is a bit of a thing among architects and people with some decent money at their disposal.

          Most ‘mosques’ are like the one round the corner from me, with flats above it, which just looks like the little shop on the opposite corner.

          Here’s an interesting fact check for you, brh.

          snopes.com/fact-check/london-closes-500-churches-opens-423-new-mosques/

          Interesting about the new Pentecostal churches – damned black people, eh, coming here and making the place more Christian 🙂 .

          • malthuss April 16, 2019 at 10:36 am #

            ask Katy Perry.
            An old nun [not the booze] died, was it at the trial or after?

      • malthuss April 16, 2019 at 10:35 am #

        replica–the ‘priceless artifacts’ are irreplaceable? hence no replica will be the same as the original.

        Just asking.

      • Nightowl April 17, 2019 at 10:46 am #

        Yes, I will never understand this myth. Or the one about cowardice that Americans love to parrot.

        Visit Verdun and talk to me about French “cowardice.”

    • FincaInTheMountains April 15, 2019 at 6:57 pm #

      As a tip, I can say that the history of the Black World Project is quite easily traced in the history of architecture, since it has such a wonderful marker as the so-called “westwork – western facade”, consisting of two symmetrical twin towers.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 8:59 pm #

        Have some decency, you fiend.

      • Majella April 17, 2019 at 8:40 pm #

        Really???

        “Black World Project” Do I need access to the dark Web to find a third party reference to this particular conspiracy?

        And Notre Dame = Twin Towers which means…something…

  37. Pucker April 15, 2019 at 6:58 pm #

    Useful Idiots….

    “It’s no longer about ideas; It’s about coercion.”

    Tot…Ali…tari…an Weaponization of the People: Dark Times Ahead

    blackpilled.com/2019/04/dark-times-ahead/

  38. Pucker April 15, 2019 at 7:08 pm #

    “Such are the Deep Thoughts of America’s leading Wokester political analysts.”

    It’s looking like the development of a potentially virulent mindless kind of Tota..lit…tarianism, like the Red Guards.

    “It’s time to cold-Cock Grandma in the nursing home because she said something objectionable, and, therefore, she is a Nazi.”

    Tot…Ali…tari…an Weaponization of the People: Dark Times Ahead

    blackpilled.com/2019/04/dark-times-ahead/

  39. FincaInTheMountains April 15, 2019 at 7:25 pm #

    Black Project going up in flames in Paris

    ic.pics.livejournal.com/mishin05/29951766/681322/681322_original.jpg

    • hmuller April 15, 2019 at 7:40 pm #

      Fincaln, so are you saying Notre Dame burning down is a victory of good over evil?

      • FincaInTheMountains April 15, 2019 at 8:30 pm #

        “Do not stop him,” Jesus said.

        “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us.

  40. 100th Avatar April 15, 2019 at 7:30 pm #

    I shall now say a few words of our present miseries. A few of us have hitherto survived them, but this is due not to anything we have done ourselves but to the mercy of the Lord. Savage tribes in countless numbers have overrun all parts of Gaul. The whole country between the Alps and the Pyrenees, between the Rhine and the Ocean, has been laid waste by hordes of Quadi, Vandals, Sarmatians, Alans, Gepids, Herules, Saxons, Burgundians, Allemanni and–alas! for the commonweal!–even Pannonians. For “Assur also is joined with them.” The once noble city of Moguntiacum has been captured and destroyed. In its church many thousands have been massacred. The people of Vangium after standing a long siege have been extirpated. The powerful city of Rheims, the Ambiani, the Altrebatae, the Belgians on the skirts of the world, Tournay, Spires, and Strasburg have fallen to Germany: while the provinces of Aquitaine and of the Nine Nations, of Lyons and of Narbonne are with the exception of a few cities one universal scene of desolation. And those which the sword spares without, famine ravages within. I cannot speak without tears of Toulouse which has been kept from failing hitherto by the merits of its reverend bishop Exuperius. Even the Spains are on the brink of ruin and tremble daily as they recall the invasion of the Cymry;

    and, while others suffer misfortunes once in actual fact, they suffer them continually in anticipation.

    Had I a hundred tongues and throat of bronze
    The woes of captives I could not relate

    Or ev’n recount the names of all the slain.
    Even what I have said is fraught with danger both to me who say it and to all who hear it; for we are no longer free even to lament our fate. and are unwilling, nay, I may even say, afraid to weep for our sufferings.

  41. messianicdruid April 15, 2019 at 7:56 pm #

    “All the above is to allow the maximum amount of individual freedom and power sharing. If you think it is so bad, come up with something better.“

    The Kingdom of God is a form of government, not a religion.

    We must learn to differentiate between the “commandments and doctrines [ both secular and religious ] of men and private interpretations of prophecy. Seek the actual teachings of Christ, on your own.

    • 100th Avatar April 15, 2019 at 8:15 pm #

      F*** christ, the religions, the government.

      After all,
      God has entrusted me with myself.

      Seek the actual lessons of the humanities, and humanity.
      The occident.
      The west.
      Quickly now, before it is gone.

      I am not Eternity, but a human being, a part of the whole, as an hour is part of the day.
      I must come like the hour, and like the hour must pass

      • Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 10:31 pm #

        The Teachings of Lucifer and the Pit. True men see Eternity in an hour and Infinity in a grain of sand.

        We tolerated you. That was a mistake.

        • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 9:16 am #

          “True men see Eternity in an hour and Infinity in a grain of sand.”

          No, that’s poets you’re thinking of. And we all think and feel like poets some of the time.

          But you won’t be confronted by your mistakes, Janos. The light will just be extinguished, as it is for everyone else. In many cases it will be a mercy. In all cases it will just be.

          • malthuss April 16, 2019 at 10:38 am #

            You must be impossible to be around, so factious.

            >dissenting (especially dissenting with the majority opinion)

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 12:57 pm #

            I can do mindless repetition of the herd mind if you really want me to, malthuss. But that would be boring.

            And this is a discussion board.

            I’m helping you focus on all the things you hate. Otherwise you’d get soft.

      • tucsonspur April 15, 2019 at 10:56 pm #

        “Our bodies are given life from the midst of nothingness. Existing where there is nothing is the meaning of the phrase, “form is emptiness.” That all things are provided for by nothingness is the meaning of the phrase, “Emptiness is form.” One should not think that these are two separate things.”

      • messianicdruid April 15, 2019 at 11:08 pm #

        “God has entrusted me with myself.”

        Yes, He believes in you.

  42. tucsonspur April 15, 2019 at 9:36 pm #

    Sacre Couer is now all the more precious. Montmarte, Toulouse Lautrec, the Moulin Rouge. Fabled France, flagitious America.

    I love a good Napolean, but I believe the Gauloise is gone.

    Watch the Frollo fire:

    youtube.com/watch?v=5c8DEK3I3pU

    • 100th Avatar April 15, 2019 at 9:56 pm #

      We’ll come to find out that Notre Dame committed suicide.
      In a place, now, not worth caring about.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2019 at 10:23 pm #

        I sharpen my light saber.

  43. 100th Avatar April 15, 2019 at 10:03 pm #

    The Pompidou survives.

    As does Corbu’s Salvation Army tenement building

    Phewww!

  44. BackRowHeckler April 15, 2019 at 11:04 pm #

    Not to change the subject, but in yesterday’s WSJ a front page article about resurgence of Ebola in the Congo frontier running unchecked because aid workers and organizations like Doctors without borders being chased out by militant groups armed with Kalashnikov rifles. Some of these people lending medical help are being shot up in the clinics where they work.

    A news release yesterday from the US/Mexico border stated 20 Congolese were picked up, and have asked for asylum. They are being held and checked for ebola symptons but what other infectious diseases are being brought in by poverty stricken people from the four corners of the third world?

    brh

    • SoftStarLight April 16, 2019 at 1:17 am #

      I saw this too Brh. The biological nightmare of open borders may not have been realized just yet for us. But there is much in history that should have frightened us into a more sensible approach. Hopefully we don’t pay the price but we sure are playing Russian Roulette.

  45. FincaInTheMountains April 15, 2019 at 11:16 pm #

    Perhaps it was a retribution for the destruction of a real European Christian shrine – Michelangelo’s Sistine Chapel, and also by the method of “renovation”.

    Thousand-year-old scores are being settled.

    • BackRowHeckler April 15, 2019 at 11:23 pm #

      If I recall correctly quite a few ancient cathedrals in Moscow and Leningrad were dynamited by the Bolsheviks in the 1930s, and Chuches and Synagogues thruout Russia were desecrated and destroyed in a decade long orgy of violence and hatred carried out by party activists and NKVD fanatics.

      brh

      • FincaInTheMountains April 15, 2019 at 11:24 pm #

        Prove it.

      • FincaInTheMountains April 15, 2019 at 11:27 pm #

        The fucking EU commissars are much worse than the Bolsheviks.

        At least Bolsheviks were not hiding behind “restoration”.

      • FincaInTheMountains April 15, 2019 at 11:39 pm #

        And by the fucking way, anti-Christian pogroms in Russia were carried by Trotskyists, who came from United States stuffed with money from The Inquiry (later known as Council on Foreign Relations)

        • K-Dog April 16, 2019 at 12:27 am #

          If you painted that sequence of steps on the floor with arrows between, you’d have a new dance.

      • FincaInTheMountains April 16, 2019 at 12:27 am #

        And in general, Margarita looked fabulously naked at the ball in Spaso House in the company of the Devil, whom the United States for some reason has asked to represent them in Russia.

      • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 9:39 am #

        “Chuches and Synagogues thruout Russia were desecrated and destroyed in a decade long orgy of violence and hatred carried out by party activists and NKVD fanatics.”

        It’s all very Henry VIII, isn’t it, brh? And they say he died a deathbed Catholic after destroying all those monasteries. What a psychopath.

        Still waiting for the list of British churches converted to mosques, though, brh. Just out of interest.

        • Tate April 16, 2019 at 10:05 am #

          Enjoy your smugness Toots, it’s coming.

          • malthuss April 16, 2019 at 10:29 am #

            whats coming? a train?

          • Tate April 16, 2019 at 11:58 am #

            The Takeover.

          • Tate April 16, 2019 at 11:59 am #

            But much like a locomotive. toot toot.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 1:02 pm #

            Thanks, Cutie Pie. I always appreciate your concern 🙂 .

        • benr April 16, 2019 at 12:03 pm #

          Short list for the once Great Britain but it does contain some for other countries as well.
          en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_of_non-Islamic_places_of_worship_into_mosques

          As close as Wikipedia.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 1:07 pm #

            I read that one already, benr. That’s how I know about the Brick Lane mosque.

            I love the idea that one item is a ‘short list’, though!! And it used to be a synagogue and not a church. So it doesn’t even count. Nice one.

            So, benr, we seem to be back where we started, with my request for a list of churches in the UK converted to mosques.

            It’s not that I’m saying there aren’t any – but you’ll need to give me somewhere to start.

          • benr April 16, 2019 at 4:04 pm #

            @green alba
            Personally I don’t have a dog in the fight for the soul of England I’m not against the English I just tend to see them as being mildly suicidal for allowing the modern day Visigoths in.
            With that said there is a sort of world “rightness” to each country of Europe having it’s own unique culture and to lose that would be a calamity of the highest order.
            Much the same as each state in the United states having it’s own flavor so to speak.
            I don’t want to see western civilization go the way of the Dinosaur because the new “people” let in refuse to assimilate but instead capitulation to what they see as right and worse making where they are more like where they fled.

    • FincaInTheMountains April 15, 2019 at 11:23 pm #

      The [so-called] Glorious Restoration of Michelangelo’s frescoes has destroyed them forever. What we say now cannot bring them back to life. We can only speak out to document the accountability of the Vatican restorers so that it does not pass unrecognized

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restoration_of_the_Sistine_Chapel_frescoes

  46. SoftStarLight April 16, 2019 at 12:45 am #

    A Holy Monday fire at Notre Dame? A most down to earth coincidence, an accident, intentional arson, or a divine warning? Will we really ever know? The image of the flame engulfed cathedral could be a symbol of the West itself. A beautiful work of art rich in history perishing and being reduced to mere ashes. Destruction is often swift, certain, and surprising. And yet creation is often an unfolding process across time. The West has nearly completed its total rejection of the values and principles derived from thousands of years of human experience. The admonitions, cautionary tales, and wisdom of our ancestors tossed aside with enthusiasm. And for this new and cold alien world of automatons, electrons, and Alexa. Where green is replaced with gray and so much is dumped into the deep blue that it becomes a plastic soup. Could it be that our society is being consumed in the flames of its own arrogance and ignorance? It appears that the structure of Notre Dame is saved. But what of the West?

    • tucsonspur April 16, 2019 at 1:26 am #

      Nicely put, SSL. It’s the big question.

      youtube.com/watch?v=DzpfwZPZ4f8

      Much of this is applicable here. The soul or heart of a nation in particular.

      • SoftStarLight April 16, 2019 at 10:04 am #

        Thank you for sharing! Mark Steyn and Tucker Carlson are two of our great thinkers and both of them are absolutely correct. We need a heart and soul again. Better yet, to recognize what is already there and allow it back into our lives again. Otherwise we will be driven out by people who know who they are and know exactly what they believe in.

    • Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2019 at 2:16 am #

      Macron assured everyone that it was just an accident – even as the Fire was burning. How does he know before any investigation? Obviously the Truth is going to be concealed if it was terrorism. And so we may never know the Truth even as we never learned the truth about the Las Vegas slaughter.

      • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 9:42 am #

        Obviously. Of course. In other words.

        I think Q has the rest of the list.

        • Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2019 at 1:22 pm #

          Right cuz logic is bad.

      • SoftStarLight April 16, 2019 at 9:46 am #

        I believe you are right. I also thought it was very suspicious and even disingenuous to so quickly insist that the incident was not terrorism. How amazing that investigating most everything else takes so much time but within the same day such a conclusion was reached. And we have no information really at all about the Las Vegas massacre. With such secrecy one does not know who to believe and that does nothing to help bridge the trust issues we have as a society. Maybe they don’t want our trust or they simply don’t care anymore.

        • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 9:59 am #

          Well, in my experience, SSL, terrorists don’t creep up to the roof after a building has been closed to the public and start a fire. Or maybe I’m misunderstanding what the purpose of ‘terrorism’ is.

          Do you have any other similar instances of ‘terrorism’ you could point us to?

          ” I also thought it was very suspicious”

          Of course you did.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 10:02 am #

            But then you thought the gilets jaunes were Muslims pretending to be ‘real French people, so we have gradually acquired a picture of how your thought processes work.

            Yes, I know, I’ve mentioned it again. Free speech an’ all that.

          • SoftStarLight April 16, 2019 at 10:10 am #

            Lol ok Alba, what sort of experience do you have with terrorists? Why do you discourage thought and inquiry? Isn’t that a hallmark of Western Civ.? To be free to think through things without being told how and what to think? I did think it was very suspicious and it still is. Christian symbols are being desecrated and destroyed by the ones you love so much.

            Here is an incidence that occurred in the same exact city recently…

            breitbart.com/europe/2019/04/16/pakistani-migrant-trial-smashing-french-basilica-housing-former-king…

            A bit of research on your part and you wouldn’t have these questions. But you don’t really want to know do you…

          • malthuss April 16, 2019 at 10:26 am #

            IN YOUR EXPERIENCE.
            How much fire, arson and terror experience do you have?

            You are a slippery old wench. Truly a dis informant.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 10:28 am #

            I’d rather be a disinfectant, malthuss.

            It doesn’t matter how many times you use the word ‘slippery’ it does sweet FA for the validity of your er…’arguments’.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 10:41 am #

            The thing is, SSL, that this is what you get when you read Breitbart.

            If you just read the Times article that they link to, you’ll find that what’s been going on in French churches seems to be mostly petty crime and nothing to do with terrorism. Disrespectful ‘secularists’. What can I say? Not all secularists are as reverential as I am around and inside churches.

            thetimes.co.uk/article/vandalism-at-hundreds-of-french-churches-n509gwb0d

            Obviously you read it. Obviously.

            “François Huguenin, a historian specialising in Christianity, said that although only about five per cent of French people were practising Catholics, the church remained “the depository of social markers. It is therefore more difficult for [Christians] to express indignation than it is for other communities”. He said that the anti-Christian acts came against the spread of “fundamentalist secularism that is no different from religious fundamentalism”.

            But Breitbart finds an instance of a Pakistani man who damaged an organ. So that’s they one they want you to remember. And you will oblige.

            Obviously.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 10:42 am #

            A bit of ‘thought and inquiry’ for you.

            And it took no effort at all.

          • SoftStarLight April 16, 2019 at 10:52 am #

            There are many “instances”. See my post below Alba. It’s time for you to branch out of your safe spaces :-).

          • hmuller April 16, 2019 at 10:56 am #

            Green Alba,

            Please add this to your list of “petty crimes”.

            “An 84-year-old priest was killed and four other people taken hostage by two armed men who stormed his church in a suburb of Rouen in northern France.

            The two attackers, who said they were from the so-called Islamic State (IS), slit Fr Jacques Hamel’s throat during a morning Mass, officials say.”

            That’s from the BBC July 26, 2015

            bbc.com/news/world-europe-36892785

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 11:01 am #

            Thanks, hm. I’m aware of that one. That doesn’t change the main thrust of the Times article and what the guy said who’s an actual expert on the history of Christianity in France.

            And don’t forget the motivation of the Pakistani criminal still needs to be demonstrated. Until you have some other proven motive, he’s still a petty criminal.

          • hmuller April 16, 2019 at 11:03 am #

            GA, motive does not determine whether a crime is “petty” or otherwise. Or maybe I was sick the day they taught that at law school.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 11:07 am #

            SSL

            “There are many “instances”. See my post below Alba. It’s time for you to branch out of your safe spaces :-).”

            The funny thing about a religious person who goes to church every week to bolster the beliefs they imbibed with mother’s milk using an expression like ‘safe space’ is that they don’t even see the irony.

            But then they don’t tend to do irony.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 11:09 am #

            No it doesn’t, hm, but it determines whether it can be viewed as a religious act or not. Maybe it was. All I’m saying is you’d need to know. Breitbart wouldn’t necessarily need to know though. They know that first impressions last.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2019 at 1:27 pm #

            Didn’t the IRA do things like that? Bet you call that terrorism. And when they bombed during the day time, didn’t they usually call? Did the Muslims call on 9/11? Damn your Black and Tan hide.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 3:10 pm #

            “Didn’t the IRA do things like that? Bet you call that terrorism. ”

            The IRA bombed people and shot them. That was terrorism. Sometimes they left a bomb, predicted which way people would run, and left another one where the people would be heading.

            Yes, terrorism.

            And no, they didn’t always call. And often when they did it wasn’t helpful.

            You can look up the statistics yourself for terrorism in the UK. Its mostly skewed by the IRA.

            Let’s hope they don’t have one of those resurgence things if there’s a hard border in Ireland again. Given that the lack of one is an integral part of the FGA.

            I don’t like terrorism. I don’t like churches being vandalised. But I know the difference, unless it’s really not clear.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 4:58 pm #

            GFA, not FGA.

        • benr April 16, 2019 at 12:18 pm #

          @greenalba

          There is a site called the religion of peace run by David Spencer that has been pretty good about tracking Islamic inspired terrorist acts globally since 9-11-2001.
          34871 separate acts with a hell of a lot of people murdered.
          Like him or not he has put in the time to understand all the various texts.

          • messianicdruid April 16, 2019 at 12:54 pm #

            Over the past three years French churches have become the target of vandals and criminals with an average of almost three churches targeted for vandalism per day.
            A report from the Central Criminal Intelligence Service of the gendarmerie noted that from 2016 to 2018 there had been thousands of cases of church vandalism, peaking in 2017 with 1,045 cases, Le Figaro reports.
            According to the French Interior Ministry, when cemeteries and other sites are taken into consideration, the number of acts of vandalism rose to 1,063 in 2018.
            Earlier this year, in one week alone, in a detestable case of anti-Christian vandalism, France saw twelve churches vandalised, including attackers attempting to set fire to the church of Saint-Sulpice in Paris.
            In Nimes, an even more heinous attack occurred, with vandals smearing feces on the wall of the church of Notre-Dame des Enfants and stealing objects from the altar.
            In March, the over 800-year-old Basilica of Saint-Denis in the now heavily migrant-populated suburbs of Paris was also vandalised, with the basilica’s organ being heavily damaged and stained glass windows were broken.
            Thefts of religious objects have increased since 2016, rising from 121 to 129 in 2018. According to the gendarmes, the robberies are mostly opportunistic because churches are often an easy target. A chalice can be sold for anything between 200 to 2 000 euros.
            French authorities arrested a pair of Romanian migrants last year who were suspected to be behind a number of church thefts in both Paris and the suburbs of the city. The pair had allegedly stolen up to 70 000 euros worth of property.

            voiceofeurope.com/2019/04/an-average-of-three-church-attacks-per-day-in-multicultural-france/

          • hmuller April 16, 2019 at 12:55 pm #

            According to Green Alba, we must carefully investigate “the motives” of all those terrorists. Maybe the Islamists who slashed the French priest’s throat only wanted to give him a better shave.

            Maybe, we need to quit making excuses for people. After all, a cigar is usually a cigar. And a terrorist act is usually a terrorist act.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 1:16 pm #

            Thank you, messianicdruid. That’s pretty much the same as the information I linked to in The Times.

            So we’re no nearer any evidence of it being down to Muslims, which was the original suggestion made.

            Tate, I’m sorry you don’t get the difference between a terrorist and a vandal, but I’ll have to leave that one with you, Cutie Pie.

            Hint: the ones who slit the priest’s throat were terrorists. The others, pending further information, were vandals and/or thieves. Who aren’t nice either but people are generally less scared of them. As they are less scared of dangerous drivers, who kill rather a lot more people.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 1:18 pm #

            Sorry I addressed that to Tate when it should have been hmuller.

            In which case I obviously retract the ‘Cutie Pie’ since you do not address me as ‘Toots’ like any utterly desperate sexist would.

      • Q. Shtik April 16, 2019 at 10:04 am #

        Obviously the Truth is going to be concealed – Janos

        =============

        Yeah, obviously.

        • malthuss April 16, 2019 at 10:30 am #

          ?

          • Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2019 at 12:53 pm #

            Just a weirdo being weird.

      • malthuss April 16, 2019 at 10:40 am #

        you tube–lions republic entertainment channel.

    • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 9:55 am #

      “The image of the flame engulfed cathedral could be a symbol of the West itself. “

      Gawd save us from mawkish but ideologically handy clichés. Said Gawd.

      As for the ‘divine warning’ hypothesis, do you have a handy list of the Almighty’s similar pyrotechnic interventions and their motivations? Enquiring minds are…enquiring.

      • hmuller April 16, 2019 at 10:01 am #

        Funny you should ask, GA. See my post below. I’m not saying anything is true. Just drawing attention to “coincidences”.

        • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 10:22 am #

          hm

          With the best will in the world, I just don’t get how people’s minds work like this. Well I know you have to make allowances for the religious mind – not trying to be rude here, you just do. Religious people look for meanings in all sorts of things. It’s part of the package. Been there myself.

          In the 1930s my mother worked in this amazing building:

          en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templeton_On_The_Green#/media/File:Lancienne_usine_de_tapis_Templeton_(Glasgow….jpg

          It’s Templeton’s carpet factory. During construction in 1892 the facade collapsed and killed 29 women working in nearby weaving sheds.

          Perhaps it was a divine message, such as:

          (1) Women shouldn’t be working in the labour force. Send them back to the kitchen. Oh, and make them cover their heads like I told them.

          (2) People shouldn’t need fancy carpets anyway. what’s wrong with wooden floors made from the trees I made you?

          (3) Factories should look like shit and not like Venetian palaces. Stop wasting the precious resources I gave you on plebs from the East End of Glasgow.

          Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, hm. Mostly it’s just a cigar. And it can start a fire with the addition of a bit of very ordinary human error.

          • SoftStarLight April 16, 2019 at 10:30 am #

            Just like the Bible indicates…a hardened heart simply cannot see and will not know. Thus Pharaoh saw the plagues destroying Egypt before his very eyes and yet his hard heart did not and would not see. And the saddest part is that at one time you knew. At least you knew where to start that is. Comparing apples and oranges though is not a good place to begin.

            Who was smoking the cigar in Notre Dame?

          • hmuller April 16, 2019 at 10:39 am #

            Your point is well taken, GA. But just as babies brains are hard wired to recognize faces, many mature minds are compelled to look for structure, purpose, and meaning in a universe where it may or may not exist.

            I think it arrogant when some people say they know for a fact the universe is meaningless and there is no God. No one can know that for a fact.

            Maybe God hides like matter at the quantum level. Maybe He’s real but cares nothing for life forms as low as ourselves. Maybe we’re being educated and tested in a school of hard knocks, without much guidance, to see how we develop. The possibilities are endless. The point is we know next to nothing about metaphysics.

            This week, I favor the “Matrix Theory”. Our consciousness is imprisoned inside a computer simulation and erased is all memory of who we really are.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 10:45 am #

            “Just like the Bible indicates…a hardened heart simply cannot see and will not know. ”

            Obviously.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 10:57 am #

            “Who was smoking the cigar in Notre Dame?”

            I know taking things this literally is a natural hazard with a lot of religious people but I didn’t mention cigars in relation to Notre Dame. English is a wonderful metaphorical language and I picked up this particular bit of idiom from Elysianfield.

            I did mention that there might be some connection with the renovation work going on in the cathedral, like perhaps an electrical fault.

            Similar to the case I described where the Glasgow School of Art burned down a second time while the renovations were being completed from the first fire.

            That’s Gawd REALLY telling your something. Not a fan of art nouveau, one presumes.

            And it behoves me to point out that, at your tender age, it’s worth remembering that you may not always believe what you’ve imbibed with mother’s milk and been indoctrinated with every day of your life. Even Muslims are known to change their minds and they have even more of a reason not to than you.

            If you stay inside and never look from the outside, you will probably be at no risk, but still – one should never assume.

            But the thing is, if there’s an expensive and thorough enquiry and it finds that it was an electrical fault or some other instance of neglect, you will contend that they’re hiding something.

            Obviously.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 11:01 am #

            “I think it arrogant when some people say they know for a fact the universe is meaningless and there is no God. No one can know that for a fact.”

            Which is why you’ll never hear me say it, hm.

          • hmuller April 16, 2019 at 11:08 am #

            I didn’t mean you, GA. It was a general remark about some people I’ve encountered in life.

        • malthuss April 16, 2019 at 10:30 am #

          as the person ordering Dominoes Pizza would say, ‘that was fast’ [yr reply].

    • hmuller April 16, 2019 at 10:00 am #

      SSL, You raise a good point: Is it nature, or God, or HAARP?

      Probably few people remember what happened SEP 11, 2015 at the Kaaba in Mecca (Islam’s holiest site). Lightning knocked over a construction crane (belonging to the Bin Laden company) killing 107 pilgrims and injuring hundreds. The date and Bin Laden link make for quite a coincidence. Some conspiracy theorist believe weather control technology was being used. Other even crazier types refer to a dig going on under the Kaaba at the time which found “the ark of Gabriel”. see link:

      video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?hsimp=yhs-att_001&hspart=att&p=mecca+lightning+strike#id…

      • SoftStarLight April 16, 2019 at 10:19 am #

        I do remember hearing about the crane collapse at the Kaaba when it happened. I didn’t necessarily think too much of it at the time because it was clear there was a severe thunderstorm occurring. However, I hadn’t considered HAARP. Very interesting point!

    • Tate April 16, 2019 at 10:11 am #

      from the Zman:

      “Obviously, we’ll never know what really caused the fire. A black church burns and the usual suspects tell us there is a rash of hate crimes against black churches. Catholic churches all over France have been burning for years and we’re told it is a racist conspiracy theory to see a pattern. The same will happen here to people who wonder how an unoccupied building that withstood air raids suddenly caught fire in two places. It will be infuriating, but it just charges those batteries [of pent-up anger] a little more each time you hear it.

      “Even if the cause was recklessness by some workers, that’s probably worse. Like America, this kind of work in Paris is done by foreigners now. The work crews are no doubt Algerians, Tunisians and maybe some Africans. The few French involved spend their time keeping these tribes from murdering one another. To these strangers, that cathedral was as meaningless to them as the fire. There, as here, the cost of cheap labor is the loss of your heritage. Is cheap stuff really worth feeling like this every day?”

      • SoftStarLight April 16, 2019 at 10:25 am #

        The men who built Notre Dame cared tremendously about their craft and their creation. It was a dedication to God. Foreigners with no investment in French culture and history are not going to feel the same and never will. No matter how much “assimilation” takes place. When strangers are taking care of our most sacred symbols and buildings you clearly see that we have reached rock bottom both culturally and socially.

      • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 10:25 am #

        As ever, Tate, you get the prize.

        • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 10:26 am #

          Is nothing sacred? Said God.

          • malthuss April 16, 2019 at 10:45 am #

            what do you mean by ‘FA”?

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 11:21 am #

            malthuss

            phrases.org.uk/meanings/sweet-fanny-adams.html

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 5:04 pm #

            When we say it these days we don’t mean Fanny Adams. We mean the other thing.

        • malthuss April 16, 2019 at 10:31 am #

          what prize is that? seriously.

  47. SoftStarLight April 16, 2019 at 1:05 am #

    And isn’t it rich that Julian Assange is being characterized as a narcissist. I had never heard this before. So why is it important now? The experts of character assassination are working overtime. And so are many play-like “journalists”. The state’s mouthpieces are not competitive when it comes to actually getting the story but they are great at fighting over the best script reader award. Maybe he will be given asylum in France or Russia? Without him there is so much we would not know. And these useless politicians attempting to be relevant is comical. They intentionally keep people in the dark and lie day in and day out but expect to walk free. The nerve!

    • K-Dog April 16, 2019 at 2:23 am #

      “They intentionally keep people in the dark and lie day in and day out but expect to walk free. The nerve!”

      Two weeks on the big Island every year. To some that is freedom.’They’ confuse it with being able to do whatever you want. And there are a lot of ‘them‘.

      And speaking of islands:

      I wonder if Julian has arrived in Guantánamo yet? I heard his plane was delayed. Anybody know?

      • SoftStarLight April 16, 2019 at 9:41 am #

        Yes, where is Julian? How is he doing? I haven’t heard anything about how he is since the arrest it seems like.

        Perfect way of putting it to! Many people confuse being able to buy what they want as a form of freedom. Or thinking they are free because they can drive in to town or come and go at will. Spend, spend, spend, work, work, work. So goes the gerbil wheels of life in this land. It is a great psychological game that has been played on the populace. What better way than to keep the slaves fooled, materially content and with enough food to keep the pitchforks at bay. Serfs or slaves of different stripes or still serfs and slaves.

    • Nightowl April 17, 2019 at 11:00 am #

      He also DIDN’T CHANGE HIS CAT’S LITTER!

      Though I was not alive before ’77, modern US media surely must be the most embarassing group of degenerate clowns in the history of all media.

  48. SoftStarLight April 16, 2019 at 1:12 am #

    I can never understand why we have to be enemies with Russia. They seem more normal than we do.

    • Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2019 at 2:14 am #

      The same people used to love them – both factions – when they were Communist with the Party controlled by Jews. But miraculously, with the rise of Putin and his Group, Whites have finally regained control over their own Land. Now both factions hate them, the Communist Satanists because they are no longer Communists and the Zionists because they are no longer controlled by the Jews. So on this, there is rare complete agreement and they’re making the most of it.

      • FincaInTheMountains April 16, 2019 at 7:56 am #

        JERUSALEM’S AL-AQSA MOSQUE FIRE BURNS AT THE SAME TIME AS FLAMES ENGULF NOTRE DAME CATHEDRAL IN PARIS

        newsweek.com/notre-dame-fire-aqsa-mosque-1397259

        • SoftStarLight April 16, 2019 at 9:25 am #

          Very interesting! I did not hear about this at all. The same questions swirl in my mind. Could God being telling us something? Could these be simple accidents or coincidences? Could the fire at Al-Aqsa have been started to detract from the story at Notre Dame or the potential terrorist angle at Notre Dame? Sort of the Islamic way of saying “we stand in solidarity with you” or “don’t pay attention to what’s going on over there look over here”. So many questions!

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 9:27 pm #

            “Could God being telling us something?”

            You’re the one with the hot line, SSL. Why don’t you just flippin’ ask him and spare us the conjecture? If he can part the waters of the Red Sea, he can cope with a note and a fridge magnet in your kitchen.

          • SoftStarLight April 17, 2019 at 12:14 am #

            How rude of you Alba. As if God is some sort of genie who responds to demands. Everything goes by His will and at His time. But you taught Sunday School so you understand this well. You just can’t help striking out. Faith and devotion are qualities that invoke fear or suspicion for many people. I can understand. It isn’t easy to let go of the world and the ego. But when you do its very liberating.

          • GreenAlba April 17, 2019 at 6:54 am #

            What I can’t help is responding to smug people who talk about safe spaces when they go to their own safe space every week to boost the beliefs they imbibed with mother’s milk, and don’t dare step outside for a broader perspective.

            You’ll recall you said you wouldn’t like to ‘live among the heathen’. Of course you wouldn’t. Stepping outside your safe space is demanding. You might not be up to dealing with intellectual arguments that don’t begin and end with ‘like it says in the Bible’.

            And how do you know ‘God’ doesn’t have more of a sense of humour than sourpuss Christians and brainwashed Muslims anyway?

            “It isn’t easy to let go of the world and the ego.

            Much easier to leave your functioning brain in the vestry when you step into your safe space for a booster session.

            But when you do its very liberating.

            Being liberated from the need to think is indeed very restful. Probably why so many people have found it difficult not to drop off occasionally while they’re in there 🙂 .

          • GreenAlba April 17, 2019 at 6:58 am #

            “Everything goes by His will and at His time.”

            Soooo, he accepts full blame for plague, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, miscarriages, stillbirths, genetic diseases etc. etc. And that worm David Attenborough mentioned that can only exist by boring through the human eye and has no other purpose or means of existence. Handy to know.

          • GreenAlba April 17, 2019 at 9:09 am #

            “As if God is some sort of genie who responds to demands.”

            And there you were telling us other times about praying for people. Why? He knows what you want and he’s going to go by ‘his will and his time anyway’, right?

          • SoftStarLight April 17, 2019 at 10:31 am #

            Well He created the universe Alba so yes you will need to speak with Him about these misfortunes. Again, I don’t presume to know the ins and outs of the universe. And just because someone has a will of their own and does what they will does not mean that you should not talk to them. Does that make any sense? Of course He knows you before you knew yourself. But that does not mean that there is not a need for any relationship. That doesn’t make any sense. Prayer is a form of communion and relationship. But see you know that as well. You are lashing out because you are angry about that which you do not understand. Do you think I don’t have moments of doubt or questioning? We all do and it is totally natural and human. But it doesn’t change anything. He still exists and He is there.

          • GreenAlba April 17, 2019 at 8:29 pm #

            ” You are lashing out because you are angry about that which you do not understand.”

            Nope. I’m not the least bit angry. But you’re right that there’s little more irritating than a patronising religious person. But at least you’re only patronising. For now 🙂 .

            Come back to me when you’ve figured out about the worm.
            God gave you a brain after all.

            And nobody minds what you believe, It would just be less annoying if you had the humility to say I believe God made the universe, just as I have the humility to say I don’t believe ‘he’ did.

            And don’t forget to cover your head every time you go out in public, my girl, like it says in the bible…No cherry picking, now.

        • Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2019 at 2:02 pm #

          A small controlled blaze in an attempt to steal our Fire. No damage.

          Sorry Finc. Your attempt is a failure.

          • malthuss April 16, 2019 at 2:43 pm #

            thanks

      • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 11:27 am #

        “Now both factions hate them”

        I rather admire them and like them. But Scotland and Russia have always had a thing going. They love oor Rabbie.

        I wish they’re weren’t governed by kleptocrats, obviously. And I wish the men (#notallmen) in particular would drink a bit less so that their lives and their wives’ lives would be less miserable and more of them would reach that unhelpful retirement age that the kleptos are bringing in for them.

        • hmuller April 16, 2019 at 11:58 am #

          My first thought was that “Oor Rabbie” was some kind of Scottish dish like haggis. But I looked it up. It’s a play involving poetry, music, and readings. A tribute to Robert Burns.

          By the way, there’s an old story that long ago the pagan Russians went shopping for a religion and considered Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. Islam was rejected because the Russians knew they could never give up alcohol. I think they rejected Judaism because their God couldn’t protect them from mass exile, so He must be weak.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 1:42 pm #

            “My first thought was that “Oor Rabbie” was some kind of Scottish dish like haggis”

            Thanks, hm, you gave me a real belly laugh there 🙂 .

            But I didn’t know there was a play called ‘Oor Rabbie’ so I’ve learned something too. I just mean ‘oor Rabbie’ in an everyday, like ‘our bard’. They’re very fond of RB’s poetry generally.

            As a quid pro quo for the pagan Russians story, I don’t know if you got Dave Allen, irreverent Irish comedian, on TV in his heyday (smoked incessantly on stage, died of cancer…).

            He describes St Peter taking a new arrival round heaven to show him where everything is.

            First he points out one room and says ‘that’s where the Jews live’.

            Then he points to another room and says ‘that’s where the Muslims are’.

            Eventually he gets to a room where he lowers his voice and whispers ‘that’s where the Catholics are’.

            The new arrival says ‘but why are you whispering?’

            And God says ‘Shhhhhhh… they think they’re the only ones here’.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 1:43 pm #

            an everyday sense…

  49. Pucker April 16, 2019 at 3:32 am #

    I like Jimmy Dore….

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=SnwC_1Pf9VQ

    • Nightowl April 17, 2019 at 2:29 pm #

      Gotta say, I like Jimmy, but he is being as disingenuous as those he is accusing. Tucker has been talking like this for years now. There is no way Jimmy doesn’t know this. He analyzes media on a regular basis.

  50. Pucker April 16, 2019 at 4:12 am #

    Moral Collapse

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=j1nOsq3KDl4

    • Pucker April 16, 2019 at 5:48 am #

      Paul Craig Roberts says that the mindless weaponized population will hate Julian Assange simply because Assange is a white heterosexual male. The programmed attack dogs will call Assange a “Nazi” and then mindlessly attack him.

  51. FincaInTheMountains April 16, 2019 at 6:55 am #

    I hope that gargoyles burned as well:

    w-dog.ru/wallpapers/2/6/532640605694304.jpg

    pariscityvision.com/en/paris/landmarks/notre-dame-de-paris/gargoyles-notre-dame

    The quote from Mark refers to Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, who created the state of Israel, having dissolved the Comintern and began to rely on Orthodoxy in international politics instead of communist ideology.

  52. FincaInTheMountains April 16, 2019 at 7:28 am #

    How the Cold War turned into the Korean War, and the Korean War almost turned into the Third World War

    I warn you in advance – this post presents the essence of our time with a dotted line.

    So: where is Bormann’s money – that is the question?

    It would seem a wonderful, I would even say a brilliant movie – “Seventeen Moments of Spring”, but all people I know do not want to understand that we all live in this movie.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeen_Moments_of_Spring

    Indeed, it shows how the National Socialist Party of Germany (NSDAP) in the last months of the WWII concludes a separate peace with the USA for a joint war against the USSR.

    Colonel Isaev on the instructions of Moscow disrupts negotiations between Himmler and CIA head Allen Dulles, but as Gestapo head Muller explains to him, he just cleared the way for similar talks between the same Dulles and head of the Nazi Party Bormann, who holds the NSDAP common purse.

    NSDAP, which robbed all of Europe (including Russia) for 15 years, and in the 90s in the person of Kohl and Gorbachev also laid a hand on the gold reserves of the USSR and on the money of the Communist Party.

    Can anyone imagine what amounts we are talking about? According to my estimates, we are minimum talking about $20 trillion.

    That is, it means that the capitalist world in which we live belongs to the NSDAP.

    I would especially like to point out that the NSDAP is a World Project, that is, a certain plan of a certain reorganization of the world, and not just its social organization, but above all changes in the relationship between God and man.

    That is, we are dealing with a religious sect, and I can confidently track the history of this sect to the 11th century, although in fact, probably, this sect arose even earlier. But I am not able to pull this burden.

    As a tip, I can say that the history of this sect is quite easily traced in the history of architecture, since it has such a wonderful marker as the so-called “Westwork” – western facade, consisting of two symmetrical twin towers.

    upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Twin_Towers-NYC.jpg

    And if you pay a little bit of attention to the history of such a building in the city of New York, it immediately becomes clear that the first victim of the conspiracy of Allen Dulles and Bormann was Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who was the head of another medieval sect, which I conditionally call the “Red World Project” and which from century to century fights with the Black World Project, periodically concluding an alliance with it against the White World Project, the head of which at that time was Winston Churchill.

    The most interesting thing is that Joseph Stalin perfectly understood the religious basis of the Second World War and this made him abandon the Comintern and try to build an Orthodox International, the cornerstone of which was supposed to become Orthodox Greece, in which communists should have come to power after the war.

    But Truman, in the Union with Great Britain, had drowned in blood the Orthodox Communist Greece, and Stalin answered them in Poland and Berlin, but above all in Korea.

    • Walter B April 16, 2019 at 10:23 am #

      I do believe that I have posted many times the idea that after defeating the Nazis in 1945, America absorbed and then became them. Granted the flavor may have been modified, but the sandwich remains fecal in nature. Allen Dulles and the Bush/Walker mob were more than just sympathizers, at least IMHO.

      The possibility that this occurred becomes even more plausible when you consider the demonic/occult predisposition of the original and current movement. Just as a virus infects a host and is transmitted to another as the host dies, I do believe that the disease was brought home to America and has been spread globally since the Global War for Profit that has been waged by US(A) ever since.

      This theory may make sense to some and may be denied by others, but just as in the Big Bang and Darwin’s Theory of Evolution, it cannot be eliminated as something that could not happen. I am convinced that it did and that it is growing still.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2019 at 12:50 pm #

        Nope, because in that time America has opened its borders and ceased to be a White Nation. If it were Nazi, it would be White Nationalist. Fail.

        Yeah something happened. The Deep State or Military Industrial Media Intelligence complex has triumphed, but that’s not what you said. They hated the Nazis and destroyed them. They still hunt them and persecute their ideological descendants. What group is most involved in that? That’s the answer you’re looking for.

        • Walter B April 16, 2019 at 1:21 pm #

          Nope. I look beyond the obvious and the superficial aspects of race and skin color. The New Nazis are bound to one another by money, power and position. Yes, I bet most of them are white too, but come to the game with enough assets and power and they will find a place for you. I do not think they want a population of whites to rule over however, because I do believe that white people, once deprived of too many freedoms and qualities of life will revolt, as they are once again today in France. The New Nazis want those third world humans that are happy to sort through garbage piles for their next meal. Whitey don’t do that well.

          • malthuss April 16, 2019 at 11:07 pm #

            I bet most of them are white… Mike Wallace says he is NOT White, he is Jewish.
            Check the interview on youtube w Morgan Freeman.

        • benr April 16, 2019 at 4:09 pm #

          Are you saying operation paper clip never happened?

  53. LokisRevenge April 16, 2019 at 8:56 am #

    Electric cars, solar panels and windmills will do absolutely nothing for the climate
    After 30 years of trying, solar and wind are less than 2% of total world energy demand.
    After 30 years of trying, solar and wind only have 98% more to go.
    After 30 years of trying, emissions went up 60%.
    It takes 1 ton of coal to make 3 solar panels.
    Half the people on earth fly every year.
    We have 20 years to reduce emissions 100% to save earth.
    ???
    *To the 100 Year Old Unwashed Stain of Yellow Journalism,* I Piss On Your Grave.
    The Trump dossier is new. It’s got pissing.
    Private banks took over public credit 100 years ago. We had nothing but war and depression ever since. Socialism is 100 years old. Feminism is 100 years old. The 100 year old yellow stain of journalism is now unwashed. When the Brits up Assange it’s over.
    Journalism will be dead and buried, and I will piss on your parade.

    We sold our soul to deep state China many years ago for cheap stuff. China 1 America 0.

    Bernie is a deep state asset. Another half assed sell out.

    *How Bernie Sanders Killed James Hansen*

    100% private carbon taxes is James Hansen’s idea.

    Bernie Sanders countered by saying the fed would take 40% of any private carbon taxes.

    Socialists hate 100% private carbon taxes.

    Getting carbon free energy by cleaning up nuclear military waste is not my idea, it’s James Hansen’s again.

    Socialists hate nuclear power.

    We’ve known about male infertility and feminization for years and nothing is done about it.

    Socialists hate feminized frogs.

    We’ve known EMF fields are bad for us for years, yet nothing is done.

    Socialists love to talk.

    Nothing has changed in 10 years.

    Socialism vs. Capitalism is 100 years old.

    We got 10 years to destroy energy demand.

    Half the people on earth fly each year and it has to stop.

    Armchair fantasy ain’t gonna do shit.

    Five billion people care more about love and money than socialism vs. capitalism.

    The only fix is money.

    The only fix is to phase in a new 100% private carbon tax credit on world private wealth.

    Not a guy who pictured himself next to a child coffin in a world infamous pedo palace.

    pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/725801404275646464/pu/img/5u0SCNmXQDAemLxm.jpg

    ???

    • JohnAZ April 16, 2019 at 10:25 am #

      Half the people fly and it has to stop.

      Right!

      We have a group of people in Washington, DC who is responsible for passing laws. They also visit their home districts regularly. Can you imagine them passing anything that will restrict their ability to travel by air. Ain’t never gonna happen.

      Like everything else, nothing will change when the change agents are anti-change. Congress makes its living by doing absolutely nothing and then justifying it. Until the leadership core is destroyed by voting it out, things will not change.

      Remember, in America, the people get what they deserve as they select their own demise.

    • malthuss April 16, 2019 at 10:33 am #

      after the last 36 years, world has another 3 billion people. Id guess thats 4 billion births minus a billion deaths.

    • 100th Avatar April 16, 2019 at 11:42 am #

      The only fix is less people
      Drastically less.

      All our problems have a nexus with overpopulation.

      From the ecological to the monetary to war.

      No point in addressing a myriad of symptoms.

      Admit and address the actual problem:
      Too many people.
      Have courage.

      Humans above all is not paramount.

      The planet, a living superorganism, comes first.

      We need a controlled regimen for population reduction.
      Only then can humanity live in balance with the earth.

    • We lost C-wolf and gained… this ass-clown ?

    • SoftStarLight April 16, 2019 at 12:30 pm #

      Bernie is a millionaire and is part of the one percent.

  54. JohnAZ April 16, 2019 at 10:37 am #

    The roof of a cathedral had to be lightweight as the architecture of the walls could not handle the weight.

    The wood has been destroyed. Surely there is a material that can be used in reconstruction that is not kindling.

    • malthuss April 16, 2019 at 10:43 am #

      I thi nk many valued it for its history, that it was 800+ years old.
      That it held ‘artifacts’.

      • malthuss April 16, 2019 at 10:44 am #

        MIDTOWN (WABC) —
        pray for Notre Dame as it went up in flames. Fortunately, much of it was saved.

    • stelmosfire April 16, 2019 at 11:45 am #

      As bad as the damage looks les pompiers made a hell of a stop. The fire load in the roof system was huge. The many voids made it near impossible to halt. I am amazed they saved as much as they did. I still have not heard if there was any fire suppression system retrofitted in the cathedral. I bet half of the ff’s were busy working salvage while the place was still fully involved. As far as a cause there may be some workers having an “OH-SHIT” moment trying to remember if they shut off the lights. I’ve worked on a few arson investigations and it is sometimes impossible to find a cause even in something as small as a residential fire. Fall back cause is always electrical or as we liked to say “Rats with matches.”

    • elysianfield April 16, 2019 at 12:42 pm #

      ” Surely there is a material that can be used in reconstruction that is not kindling.”

      John,
      One word…Plastics.

      (And don’t call me Shirley)

  55. SoftStarLight April 16, 2019 at 10:45 am #

    European churches are desecrated every day……..

    gatestoneinstitute.org/14044/europe-churches-vandalized

    summit.news/2019/04/15/france-attacks-against-jews-christians-continue-to-rise/

    Using PC logic we should let millions more Muslims into Western countries because, again, we are just stupid and superstitious to be concerned anyway. And isn’t it funny that Whites can have their lives destroyed for one “anti-Semitic” statement. But an entire culture built upon Jew-hate is supposed to be welcomed into our lands with open arms. PC is so dumb. And one day it will be DEAD.

    • malthuss April 16, 2019 at 11:16 am #

      tell that to Green Alba.

      • SoftStarLight April 16, 2019 at 11:23 am #

        Some people choose to be blind and then condemn others for seeing. And some people are perfectly happy in their blindness. Ignorance is bliss as they say.

      • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 11:34 am #

        Green Alba looked into the Gatestone Institute some time ago.

        But I love the idea of SSL who doesn’t like Jews worried about a ‘culture built upon Jew-hate’. That’s cute. Perhaps no-one proofread the training manual (only kidding SSL…)

        But then you know I don’t advocate open borders anyway. Because I keep saying so. Just like I keep saying it’s not bright to bomb countries into the Middle Ages and destabilise whole regions.

        Cos it ends in tears.

        • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 11:35 am #

          And, more importantly, it’s wrong.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2019 at 1:07 pm #

            When Britain was still free, T.S Elliot wrote of the danger of having too many Jews in a Christian Country. Do you view him as a bumpkin or red neck too?

            A great poet, but no hero, he shut up when it demanded that people shut up. But his words remain.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 1:52 pm #

            I was aware he had an antisemitic side, yes. I don’t know what that has to do with being a bumpkin or a redneck, though.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2019 at 2:09 pm #

            So Christian means “Anti-Semitic”? You’re right, but why is that a bad thing? By the same token, Israel is Anti-Christian, but you never would say that, right?

            As ever, mix everything together until nothing is left and only then you are happy. Bet you don’t eat that way though – or live that way.

            Put your mouth were your mind is. Mix your chocolate with your turnips with your meat. It’s all going to the same place, right? Muslim, Christian, Black, White – same thing, right? Who cares, right?

            So eat that way.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 2:53 pm #

            “So Christian means “Anti-Semitic”? You’re right, but why is that a bad thing? ”

            No. Christian means Christian and Antisemitic means Antisemitic. One is a religious belief and the other is a prejudice.

            Obviously/

            I watched a programme a month or so ago on TS Eliot. I have no expertise whatsoever in TS Eliot, but I recall that his anti-semitism was discussed in that way that people discuss whether or not we should separate the artist from the man, if they have beliefs considered unpalatable. I don’t recall any of the details.

            And his name’s ‘Eliot’, which I’d expect to know if you know so much about him.

          • malthuss April 16, 2019 at 8:06 pm #

            Elliot is a very Jewish first name. Meanwhile,

            Jews in old news column,

            In an effort to either make money or clear dear Leos name, who steps forward but Mr Spacey.

            The Leo Frank Chronicles,

            Written by Larry McMurtry, produced by George Stevens Jr., and directed by William “Billy” Hale, the miniseries stars Lemmon and features Kevin Spacey,

        • SoftStarLight April 16, 2019 at 11:41 am #

          Hah I never said that I didn’t like Jews so don’t put words in my mouth. Mr. K is of Jewish origin and I appreciate his writings and appreciate the space he allows us here. All I have said of the matter is that all peoples deserve their countries. And I have supported a Jewish state. That Jewish state should not drive our policy here but it has the right to exist and should exist anyhow. I believe in diversity. You are the one who seems to want everyone to blend into some non-descript humanity of caramel blandness. I prefer to see the beautiful diversity among people and to see people thrive in their own cultures.

          • benr April 16, 2019 at 12:29 pm #

            Yet some cultures are more worthy of thriving then others.

          • SoftStarLight April 16, 2019 at 12:33 pm #

            Or do you mean that some cultures will naturally thrive over others?

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 1:53 pm #

            “Hah I never said that I didn’t like Jews so don’t put words in my mouth. ”

            Here, hold my sauvignon…

          • benr April 16, 2019 at 9:14 pm #

            @ssl
            Actually no but that works as well.

        • Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2019 at 12:57 pm #

          You just want infinity “refugees” who are magically just as British as the British the second they arrive. And you think we’re irrational?

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 1:55 pm #

            Lying toad is as lying toad does.

            Obviously.

    • Exscotticus April 16, 2019 at 11:40 am #

      The attacks are not limited to churches…

      CALLING PROPHET MUHAMMAD A PEDOPHILE NOT PROTECTED BY FREE SPEECH, COURT RULES

      The woman’s conviction was upheld by other national courts before reaching the ECHR.

      The court’s “logic”…

      The ECHR ruled that while religions were not exempt from criticism or denial of their beliefs, the woman’s comments were not objective and lacked historical context. It also believed her language “could only be understood as having been aimed at demonstrating that Muhammad was not worthy of worship” and were designed to belittle Islam.

      The court also noted the difference between pedophilia and child marriage, and said the woman had failed to show “that his primary sexual interest in Aisha had been her not yet having reached puberty or that his other wives or concubines had been similarly young.

      A legal loophole for pedophiles? Burdens of proof—not for the state—but for speech? Insanity.

      • SoftStarLight April 16, 2019 at 12:35 pm #

        Right. So I guess nine year olds are fair game for marriage. Got it! What a total sham and shame. And somehow this goes basically unnoticed by the same people who are deeply concerned about civil liberties, surveillance, etc. Just mind-boggling!

        • Exscotticus April 16, 2019 at 1:15 pm #

          But we all know that if some European was busted for underage sex, and was condemned as a “pedophile”, the courts would be SILENT. They wouldn’t start fining the press or pundits for failing to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person’s “primary sexual interest” was underage children.

          This was clearly a ruling carved out for Muslims and Islam, to stop anyone from publically suggesting that Mohammad was a pedophile (which he was). And the reason is that they know Muslims can’t handle this kind of criticism. And so in the interest of keeping the peace between what are clearly disparate and irrecon ciliable cultures, they made a sacrificial ruling. It’s sad and pathetic. I wouldn’t let these judges preside over who hit the bullseye at a carnival game.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 2:16 pm #

            Exscotticus

            The imam of a mosque in Edinburgh was done for kiddy fiddling. No different from what happens to other kiddy fiddlers in religious contexts.

            What Mohammed did was what people did. The past is a different country, etc. etc. Richard the Lionheart married Berengaria when she was nine, I believe. And what age do you think was considered ‘young’ by Christians 1400 years ago?

            None of it is defensible *now*. And it’s true that (many) Muslims can’t tolerate criticism of their beliefs. But not all. Christians used to be like that too – one wrong word and you were charcoal.

            This is interesting, though:

            “In many cases, minors in the US are married when they are under the age of sexual consent in their area (which ranges from 16 to 18). In some areas minors cannot legally divorce, leave their spouse, or enter a shelter to escape abuse. In 2001 in Tennessee, three 10-year-old girls were married to men aged 24-31. Meanwhile in Alabama, a 74-year-old man married a 14-year-old girl. Both states have since set minimum ages, of 17 and 16 respectively.’

            “17 states have no minimum age of marriage in some cases.”

            “While the general legal age for marriage in Massachusetts is 18, children may be married with judicial consent with no minimum age limit. In the absence of any statutory minimum age, one opinion is that the traditional minimum common law marriageable age of 12 for girls and 14 for boys may still be in effect.”

            Wow.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 2:18 pm #

            sorry forgot the link:

            en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage_in_the_United_States

          • Exscotticus April 16, 2019 at 3:54 pm #

            GA I get it. Different cultures. Different times. Standards change. But again you seem to like straw man arguments.

            I’m not condemning Mohammad for being a pedophile, anymore than I condemn Moses and his people for being pedophiles (Numbers 31, folks).

            Mohammad and Moses are not on trial. What was on trial—literally—was this person’s speech. Surely you get the difference? If this was Europe, this conversation could land me fines, jail time, etc.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 7:00 pm #

            It wasn’t a straw man. I was answering the argument that he was regarded as a paedophile by pointing out that paedophilia – or at the very least hebephilia – was par for the course a very long time ago. You made the specific comparison with how a European would be treated *now* if busted for underage sex – for the reason above I don’t think it’s a valid comparison.

            (And, BTW, don’t forget that the Asian groomers in Rochdale and elsewhere were busted and jailed and the police heavily criticised for not initially believing the girls concerned – vulnerable girls of the type I’ve read on here shouldn’t necessarily be believed when they claim to be victims of certain non-Asian abusers, including clerical ones (I’m not referring to you).

            I acknowledged that a lot of Muslims (most in some countries, but certainly not all or even most in other countries), can’t take criticism of their faith – or of Mohammed. And I quite agree that the woman should have the right to say it but, given what we’ve just agreed about the ubiquity long ago of sexual practices we now find abhorrent I do question why she’d want to go on about it. It’s not the most important thing to be arguing about Islam. And both you and I could find equally abhorrent things in the Old Testament if we wanted to. So I do think she did it to inflame the situation.

            But I agree it’s not right that she shouldn’t be able to say it.

            If she stood outside a mosque on a Friday bawling it from the metaphorical rooftops to cause trouble, she should still be done for disturbing the peace.

          • Exscotticus April 16, 2019 at 7:12 pm #

            >>> You made the specific comparison with how a European would be treated *now* if busted for underage sex

            No you missed my point.

            I was pointing out that if a European was busted for underage sex, and some other European publically called that person a pedo, that the court would do nothing with regard to the latter person’s speech. In other words: it’s OK to call a pedo a pedo, but it’s not OK to call Mohammad a pedo (and insult Muslims).

        • elysianfield April 16, 2019 at 11:06 pm #

          “Right. So I guess nine year olds are fair game for marriage”

          “SSL,
          It is a cultural issue…not a legal one in their countries. You can experience genuine outrage, but they have been living successfully with this issue for thousands of years. Not. Our. Culture…Not. Our. Problem.

          • SoftStarLight April 17, 2019 at 12:57 am #

            You’re right EF. And they need to keep their cultural issues “over there” too. But slowly their problems are becoming our problems.

          • GreenAlba April 17, 2019 at 5:14 am #

            No they’re not, EF. But 12 year olds seem to be in the US. I’d be worrying about that more than what some barking mad eejit ‘prophet’ did 1400 years ago.

          • SoftStarLight April 17, 2019 at 10:24 am #

            It is a problem but you simply want to ignore it because it isn’t good for immigrants. Child marriage is an issue in the US and it is being driven by immigration. Child marriage within the native culture has basically become a thing of the past. Yes the last holdouts of this practice were in Appalachia and the South. Life was shorter over a hundred years ago and yes people did marry when they were teenagers because they were basically grown up at that point. Teen pregnancy is still highest in the South mostly. But what is the problem with getting pregnant right out of high school at 18? At least you aren’t a child anymore!!!

            clarionproject.org/child-marriage-is-thriving-in-the-us-due-to-immigration-loopholes/

          • GreenAlba April 17, 2019 at 8:37 pm #

            “It is a problem but you simply want to ignore it because it isn’t good for immigrants. ”

            I don’t want to ignore it at all where it’s happening *now*, whether it’s driven by immigrants or not. Why would it even be legal?

            What I said was I don’t see the point in going on endlessly about Mohammed marrying someone the same age as Richard the Lionheart did. Appalling things went on 1400 years ago and much later, including in ‘Christian’ communities. That wasted energy could be going into eliminating FGM and equally abhorrent practices NOW.

  56. ozone April 16, 2019 at 11:06 am #

    K-Dog,
    Thanks for the reminder about “thought-stoppers”.
    They have always existed on this comment space, but, of late, it looks packed end-to-end but for a small minority of posters.

    Times must be getting squeaky and misdirection abounds. This space has lost nearly all utility in regard to informing ourselves about any subject we can name.

    • SoftStarLight April 16, 2019 at 11:30 am #

      Well I guess it depends on your point of view. I am pretty sure we know who you think is misdirecting. But could it be that you are misdirecting? Accusations are like bouncy balls, they are easy to throw but can just as easily bounce right back at ya. Either way there is a war on for our minds. I am grateful for one that there are still spaces where people can have open discussions. Eventually if the Deep State gets its way there will be no places for open discussion at all.

      • K-Dog April 16, 2019 at 11:46 am #

        I see Stan knows the plan.

        • SoftStarLight April 16, 2019 at 12:18 pm #

          His laundry is almost done thank goodness. I am so ready for him to go to work!

        • ozone April 16, 2019 at 7:44 pm #

          The first thing taught in Shit-Flinging Distraction 101 is, always (and I do mean, *always*) accuse “the enemy” of what you yourself are actually engaged in. Endless practice hath shewn this to be most effective and nicely diversionary. (“Hath shewn” tossed in to indicate how long this crapola has been in effect.)

          Fun, ain’t it?

  57. SoftStarLight April 16, 2019 at 11:20 am #

    Migration is so awesome and wonderful! We need millions more please! Funny how the arbiters of thought don’t like when we discuss current events. And yet silence is consent. No action is action. Some believe they know what’s going on in total. Others admit they only know bits and pieces. Some pieces are very easy to see.

    foxnews.com/world/isis-islamic-state-paris-attacks-terror-europe-middle-east

    • K-Dog April 16, 2019 at 11:32 am #

      No action is action.

      Stop, rinse and repeat. ‘No action is action.’

      Oh money pod my room!

      Oooooohhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmm.

      ‘No action is action.’

      Regardless of your faction.

      • SoftStarLight April 16, 2019 at 11:35 am #

        Good, you’re at least listening to me :-). I get tired of screaming in the wind!

        • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 11:39 am #

          “Some pieces are very easy to see.”

          I was in Paris the day of the Bataclan attack. Where were you?

          • Tate April 16, 2019 at 12:04 pm #

            There’s a 3-part series about it on Netflix. It’s in French with subtitles. They never refer to the terrorists’ religion of peace.

          • SoftStarLight April 16, 2019 at 12:18 pm #

            Very glad that you were safe and unscathed!! But what does that mean? That you have first hand experience? Are you now an expert in the area of radical Islam? I am not trying to be rude. I just don’t understand what you are getting at here so please do say.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2019 at 1:18 pm #

            She can see Russia from where she lives too. It’s reflected when the Northern Lights play on the netflix sky.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 2:23 pm #

            Just that you keep claiming people are wilfully blind, as if we were (a) unaware of atrocities and/or (b) make excuses for them. There are no excuses for atrocities.

            But the fact remains that most terrorist acts in the United States are committed by non-Muslims. But you seem only concerned with Muslims. What is your plan for the racial groups from which the other terrorists are drawn?

            And should the UK get rid of all Irish people?

          • Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2019 at 2:27 pm #

            Most Muslims are not terrorists. But most terrorists are Muslim. Of course since you define terrorism in different ways, you can milk the statistics the way you want. Obviously I’m talking about the World, not in places where there aren’t many Muslims (yet).

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 2:36 pm #

            Unfortunately I can’t see anything from where I live other than the flat on the other side of the road. And I don’t know what goes on in them. But not atrocities, I think.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 2:36 pm #

            ‘Flats’.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 2:44 pm #

            I haven’t defined it at all – but here are some examples whose definition is nothing to do with me:

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States

          • Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2019 at 3:08 pm #

            And when is crime terrorism? Or terrorism crime? The famous Zebra murders in San Francisco were obviously Black Terror against Whites, even though never defined as such by your official media.

            Vermont is almost all White so most crime is White. But the few Blacks contribute an extraordinary amount despite their tiny numbers. Obviously if and when their numbers increase (let’s be realistic, When), crime will soar. Simple extrapolation, one type of thinking. Like induction, but with a mathematical twist. Can you follow? Can you do it?

            Let’s see: The five percent Muslim population was using 40 percent of Denmark’s social services budget. How much would they use if their population increased to 10 percent (all other factors remaining contstant)?

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 3:19 pm #

            ” The five percent Muslim population was using 40 percent of Denmark’s social services budget. ”

            Could you provide the link for that, please?

          • Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2019 at 6:35 pm #

            That’s not the point right now. The point is to see if you understand the logic enough to do the math. A logical argument is valid or not valid irrespective of the truth value of its premises. Similarly so here: the equation is the equation.

          • GreenAlba April 16, 2019 at 7:11 pm #

            It’s my point now. You didn’t present it as an imaginary hypothesis – you presented it as a fact, so I’d like the link.

          • ozone April 16, 2019 at 7:58 pm #

            Greenie,
            Ain’t no factoids needed! It’s a wondermuss, Trumpian, fact-free statement of eternal and absolute truthy constructs of the New Reality! (Without all that confusing “realism” and that tiresome old “facts” bollocks…)

            I guess that’s how we gon’ roll now, so lock and load, the ideologically correct assholes are marching with flags of righteousness towards us over the horizon… with their leader carefully skulking in the rear. (Mustn’t expose his precious hide, y’know.)

          • Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2019 at 9:05 pm #

            I said nothing about Trump, you inbred Berkshire Moron. Ready to talk about the White Race, coward?

          • Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2019 at 9:07 pm #

            As Jared Taylor said, Liberals hiss like Vampires when presented with math, while minorities just blink with stupidity.

          • Tate April 16, 2019 at 9:57 pm #

            Were you looking for this?

            acdemocracy.org/muslim-immigrants-draining-european-social-benefits/

            “An estimated 40% of Muslim youth in France and 50% in Germany are unemployed but far from destitute. Rather, they receive a wide range of social benefits. [2] For example, an estimated 40% of welfare outlays in Denmark go to the 5% of the population that is Muslim. [3] According to Otto Schily, former German interior minister, speaking of immigrants in general: “Seventy percent of the newcomers [since 2002] land on welfare the day of their arrival.” [4] In Sweden, perhaps the most acute case, immigrants are estimated at 1.5 million out of 10 million people; immigration is estimated to cost almost $14 billion per year. [5]”

            [2] “French Lessons: How to Create an Underclass,” Wall Street Journal, Nov. 11, 2005, and Peter Schneider, ibid.

            [3] Bruce Bawer, While Europe Slept: How Radical Islam Is Destroying the West from Within (New York, Doubleday, 2006), p. 30.

            [4] Quoted in Peter Schneider, “The New Berlin Wall.” New York Times, Dec. 4, 2005.

            [5] According to the Migration Policy Institute, in mid-2013 there were an estimated 1.5 million immigrants in Sweden in total. It is not known how many of these were Muslims. For the cost, see Ingrid Carlqvist and Lars Hedegaard, “Sweden: From ‘Humanitarian Superpower’ to Failed State.” The Gatestone Institute, Jan. 16, 2015.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2019 at 11:54 pm #

            Why Begorrah – there it tis. Now she’ll have to do her homework. Tanks.

          • SoftStarLight April 17, 2019 at 12:45 am #

            Lol OMG the brilliance sometimes completely overwhelms me. You might as well give it up Alba. The migrants are sinking the West. You simply can’t dispute facts. Why fight it? And more importantly, why fight for them? Come to the Light. We’re waiting for you.

          • GreenAlba April 17, 2019 at 8:22 am #

            Tate

            When I ask for a link, I expect a link that’s going to provide me with verifiable statistics.

            Here’s an example of what statistics look like:

            ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/articles/howisthewelfarebudget…

            Then, with statistics like those ones you’d need to drill down to the ethnic status of each group. Verifiably. What you’ve given me is a reference to page 30 of a book. Maybe on page 30 of the book there’s a reference to some actual, verifiable figures that prove something. Really, maybe there is. But you haven’t provided them.

            And then you include a reference from the Gatestone Insitutute. I recall them from a time that Janos quoted something questionable – he didn’t mention the Gatestone Institute when he dumped his unattributed quote/assertion but the Gatestone Institute was absolutely the only place linked to this assertion that I could find on the vastness of the interwebs, so I checked them out.

            You might want to do the same. Here’s an instructive article from Open Democracy which demonstrates that thing about how a lie makes its way half way around the world before the truth has got its trousers on, in this case about no-go zones:

            opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/misinformed-expert-or-misinformation-network/

            Have a good look, in the first half dozen paragraphs, at how an ‘assertion’ by someone with an axe to grind gets repeated in dozens of places without anyone bothering to find out if there’s any actual truth in it before they pass it on as it were verifiable fact.

            I’ll leave you to read that bit directly from the site, but here’s another bit about your Gatestone friends:

            “Within the Counterjihad movement, the major propagator of the Islamic ‘no go zones’ myth has been the New York based think tank, the Gatestone Institute, an organisation chaired by the Bush era diplomat and foreign policy hardliner, John Bolton.

            “In August 2011, Gatestone published an article by its senior fellow, Soeren Kern, claiming that ‘Islamic extremists’ were creating areas ‘off-limits to non-Muslims’ that functioned ‘as microstates governed by Islamic Sharia law’. It referred to the then 751 ‘Sensitive Urban Zones’ officially designated by the French Government. These neighbourhoods, many of which are located in Greater Paris, are characterised by high proportions of public housing, higher rates of poverty and unemployment, and are inhabited by a high proportion of immigrants and ethnic minorities. Kern claimed in the piece that the French state had ‘lost control’ of such areas, where an ‘estimated 5 million Muslims live’.

            “[T]housands of Muslims,’ in these neighbourhoods, Kern wrote, ‘are closing off streets and sidewalks (and by extension, are closing down local businesses and trapping non-Muslim residents in their homes and offices) to accommodate overflowing crowds for Friday prayers’. Gatestone’s claims about France’s Sensitive Urban Zones appear to have originated with the influential neoconservative commentator, Daniel Pipes, who in a periodically updated blog first posted in November 2006 wrote of the ‘751 No-Go Zones of France’ with large Muslim populations.

            Pipes would later travel to several Muslim majority neighbourhoods in Europe, including a number of French suburbs, and having done so expressed regret (in January 2013) at having described them as ‘no-go zones’. In reality, he found such areas were ‘unthreatening, routine places’, ‘very mild, even dull’ compared to impoverished urban neighbourhoods in the United States, ‘buildings are intact, greenery abounds, and order prevails’.

            You’ll recall, Tate, that when I presented you with information demonstrating that rates of narcissism are slightly higher, within the overall population, in men than in women, I gave you more than one reference, including an article that linked to a meta-analysis of dozens of articles on the subject over a considerable number of years. That meta-analysis could be located, and would be fully referenced with the details of the individual studies.

            But you said ‘xx has written this article because she has an agenda. Not convincing.’ Without, to my knowledge, consulting any of the source articles.

            Are we getting anywhere yet with regard to what a verifiable source is?

            Now, I don’t doubt that immigrants and refugees cost money to support – not at all. To think otherwise would be silly. And I think they should be working like everyone else, and helped to do so. And I don’t even think refugees should be allowed to stay indefinitely if the conditions that caused them to leave their country have significantly improved (in the UK they get to stay five years, after which their situation is reviewed). And I don’t claim and never have claimed that the number of immigrants OR refugees a country can be expected to take has no limits. And I believe in strong borders. All the usual stuff.

            But I’m not interested in people who make shit up.

          • GreenAlba April 17, 2019 at 8:24 am #

            SSL

            “Lol OMG the brilliance sometimes completely overwhelms me.”

            It does seem to, doesn’t it, SSL. Maybe if you thought a bit more for yourself?

          • GreenAlba April 17, 2019 at 8:49 am #

            A clarification of my penultimate paragraph – I should have said that refugees, once accepted as refugees – and potentially for a defined period (before they’re given refugee status they are technically asylum seekers) – should be helped to work. Sometimes there are counterproductive laws actually preventing them from doing so.

            Refugees generally need help to begin with. Immigrants are a different kettle of fish.. But they can’t generally get into a country in the first place without having some kind of promise of work. In the UK they wouldn’t just be able to arrive and claim benefits, despite Janos’s repeated insistence to the contrary. (Even internal EU migrant workers can’t do that.) He thinks they’re handed British citizenship when they go through customs too. He really would benefit from some time studying what happened to the Windrush folks recently, due to one of the Home Office’s sporadic anti-immigrant clusterfucks.

          • SoftStarLight April 17, 2019 at 10:04 am #

            Well all of this information is very interesting for sure. But wouldn’t we be better off just banning immigration altogether? Then we wouldn’t even have to bother with all of these dreadfully boring meta-analyses, statistics and numbers. And we wouldn’t have to worry about anyone coming into the country to zap resources. Either way, if we are looking to stabilize or reduce population and pollution then we must end all forms of immigration as one part of the solution. That is simple, understandable and makes a lot of sense.

          • malthuss April 17, 2019 at 10:55 am #

            And –so what?

          • GreenAlba April 17, 2019 at 11:52 am #

            “Then we wouldn’t even have to bother with all of these dreadfully boring meta-analyses, statistics and numbers. ”

            🙂

            I don’t have any problem with firm and enforceable immigration policies. Never have done. I just don’t like people making stuff up. That’s how pogroms start.

  58. K-Dog April 16, 2019 at 11:21 am #

    The cat has gone back to Schrodinger. Uncertainty seems to be the principle. The harder one tries to find Assange the more uncertain his location. The more one questions the narrative of the deep state the less disgusting slice of meat Julian Assange becomes. The closer one gets the less solid the surface seems. It is a quantum of a situation where truth seems to be jumping around and never staying in place where it can be seen.

    Will the death be accidental while trying to escape or will it be suicide. What goes on the death certificate? Either way Julian dies for our sins.

    A 21st century Christ:

    For