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There Goes Europe

T he desperate wish in what is loosely called the West to at least appear morally correct is unfortunately over-matched by the desperation of people fleeing unstable, overpopulated places outside the West, and it is a fiasco beyond even the events of the moment.

The refugee / immigrant crisis around the Mediterranean is a preview of a horror show to which there is no end in sight, and is certain to escalate. So anyone who indulges in fantasies about organizing an orderly, rational distribution of displaced persons for the current wave, is badly missing the point. Wave beyond wave awaits after the this one. And then what will the well-intentioned sentimentalists say? We wanted to do the right thing… we meant well… we cried when we saw the little boy dead on the beach….

Yes, the tragic intrusions of the US military in Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria, and elsewhere have been reckless and stupid. But that is not the whole story. The desert nations of the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) have populations abnormally swollen by a century of oil-and-gas-based agriculture, really by the benefits of Modernity in general. Now that the oil age is chugging to an unruly crack-up, and Modernity with it, and the earth’s climate is doing wonky things, and the rich nations to the north have faked their finances to the point of bankruptcy, well, circumstances have changed.

In the years ahead, populations will be fleeing and shifting from many more unfavorable corners of the world. The pressures are mounting all over. Alas, the richer nations in which the fleeing poor aspire to gain a foothold, will also be contending with the disabling effects of a universal economic contraction — the winding down of the techno-industrial system and the global economy with it. That process has the potential to shatter political unions, overthrow established social orders, and provoke wars between the demoralized countries who still possess dangerous military hardware. At the least, it will produce economic conditions in Europe and North America probably worse than the Great Depression of the 1930s.

So, the idea that the nations currently bethinking themselves “rich” can take in, shelter, and employ the masses fleeing MENA (and elsewhere) is absurd. Somehow the people in charge, plus the intellectual classes who shape opinion and consensus, are going to have to arrive at some clear notion of limits and boundaries. It is actually happening in parts of Europe right now, extempore, where the immediate crisis is worst, for the moment in Italy, Greece, and Hungary — which first interned the refugees and then let them loose on the road to Vienna, probably only a way-station to Germany. Soon all nations across Europe will be agonizing, shucking, jiving, or improvising some sort of desperate response.

Among other confusions of policy and intention, the public “debate” so far does not make any distinction between true political refugees fleeing for their lives or economic migrants seeking to improve their prospects elsewhere. It is surely easy to empathize with both categories of persons, but that doesn’t mean you give up the control of your borders just to make yourself feel better. That is pretty much what has happened in the USA, where the Left, for political expediency, has deemed it indecent to call “illegal” immigrants what they are, and the Right has just been pusillanimous and hypocritical about it. Hence the unfiltered persona of Trump who, for all his titanic shortcomings, has at least managed to make his rivals look like the craven midgets they are.

Likewise, the rise of Marine LePen in France, Geert Wilders in Holland, and other parties seeking limits to immigration, perhaps even deportations. Personally, I reject the idea that it’s “racist” to want to preserve one’s national culture and character (especially in language), or to favor bona fide citizens for gainful employment. Europe has the additional obvious problem of an immigrant Islamic population overtly hostile to European culture and tradition. Why is it morally imperative for Europeans to countenance what amounts to low-grade warfare?

The situation that smoldered for decades is now exploding. Don’t expect to see any end to desperation and instability in MENA, but do expect new demographic crises out of other regions: Indonesia, Ukraine, Pakistan, West Africa, and Brazil, with its cratering economy. It’s not inconceivable that China might bust apart politically, with centrifugal consequences. The global economy is contracting. We have indeed attained the limits to growth. Cheap oil is bygone and the capital infrastructure we have won’t run on expensive oil — including the oil industry itself. New technology or further central bank legerdemain is not going to fix that. We’re in population overshoot and a scramble is underway to bail on the places that just can’t support the people who live there. National boundaries will be defended. Sentimentalists will have to step aside. History is not a bedtime story about bunnies and kittens.

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555 Responses to “There Goes Europe”

  1. Cold N. Holefield September 6, 2015 at 9:12 pm #

    You’re early with this one. Everybody went to sleep.

    I agree that this refugee crisis portends the future but it’s not the future yet. This current crisis is an instigated crisis. They knew this was a byproduct of destabilizing the Middle East well in advance of its organic collapse. What it does show is how the Elite will handle that coming crisis that will make this current “crisis” look like a cake walk. They’ll have us at each other’s throats as they remain safely tucked away in their prime realty enclaves.

    • Neon Vincent September 7, 2015 at 9:45 am #

      “They’ll have us at each other’s throats as they remain safely tucked away in their prime realty enclaves.”

      In the short run, maybe. In the medium run, I think Greer the Archdruid will be right; they’ll make the mistake of hiring what Greer calls war bands for their security. That will lead to the long run result that the war bands will turn on them and take over. It will be one of the ways that society will turn capital, which requires resources to support, into waste that not only does not need capital, but becomes salvage for the next round of investment. A rapacious elite makes for good waste in that regard.

      In the meantime, I’m going to repeat my suggestion that everyone drink heavily, at least during the presidential campaign, which has 14 more months to go. I have some debate drinking game rules for Carly Fiorina along with sheep themed beers. Also, as a general comment on the quality of the candidates, I recommend everyone drink to Deez Nuts for President. After looking at this motley group seeking to replace President Obama, I can see why a joke candidate is beating most of them!

      • Smoky Joe September 7, 2015 at 10:33 am #

        I think Greer (and JHK) underestimate the persistence of a technical class and our ability to keep things going.

        As for “warbands” taking power? That does have a clear precedent: the barbarians brought into the Legions as Rome declined.

        • Helen Highwater September 7, 2015 at 5:06 pm #

          I wonder how many people in the “technical class” know how to grow food.

          • K-Dog September 7, 2015 at 11:53 pm #

            I have a garden and am learning!

        • Therian September 7, 2015 at 5:34 pm #

          The “technical” class is tied more into the economics of the media and the banking system than the economics of necessity represented by the energy industry, consumer goods, base metals, healthcare, and many other industries. One could even argue that life was better BEFORE the Internet as now we have the hordes spending their lives in front of screens. At least *I* would argue that.

          And that’s going to be a feature of life going forward i.e., we will regain touch with the idea of “necessity” in a way that hasn’t happened in more than half a century.

        • SpeedyBB September 9, 2015 at 12:35 am #

          Precisely my thought, Smoky. The barbarian bands who wore down the Roman legions were largely led by soldiers the Romans had trained in their battle tactics. Sound familiar?

          The fact that many of the second- and third-generation immigrants to the USA have allowed themselves to be co-opted by the right-wingers (not their natural allies) is another sign of their willingness to serve those truly in power.

          As for Indonesia joining the ranks of the “demographic crises” hordes that’s a bit of a surprise (and a stretch). Here we have food, climate, an incredibly rich agricultural base, energy (gas mostly), lebensraum (lots of empty space in Sumatra, Papua, Kalimantan) and profound social stability (Javanese culture being several thousand years old).

          In fact Bangadeshis, Vietnamese, Iraqis, Pakistanis and other boat people have in the past headed for sanctuary here. Seeing the less-than-hospitable reception they got, it has petered out in recent years.

          • mercpl September 11, 2015 at 7:56 pm #

            Indonesia is basically an empire of Java, and as such, it will suffer the same fate as all empires. You say you have lots of free space in Papua, Borneo and Sumatra? Well, I suppose you will after you have burned down all the forests and killled or imprisoned the native populations.

            Javanese culture may be thousands of years old, but it is increasingly being replaced by Arab tribalism in the form of the Islamic fundametalism financed by oil money and implemented by the Wahhabi schools.

      • K-Dog September 7, 2015 at 1:16 pm #

        “In the years ahead, populations will be fleeing and shifting from many more unfavorable corners of the world. The pressures are mounting all over. Alas, the richer nations in which the fleeing poor aspire to gain a foothold, will also be contending with the disabling effects of a universal economic contraction”

        Yes, shifting populations in numbers a healthy nation with full employment could not possibly absorb. Populations who upon arrival will make no attempt at integrating into the existing culture of the nation they find as their new home. Why, because their is nothing in it for them. It will become a planetary tower of babble.

        Our pusillanimous politicians won’t have a clue about what to do and the contempt that they have germinated in the American people with their pointless war on drugs will be cultivated into open hostility. Their incompetence in handling the refugee crisis will be known long before refugees numbers climb to the hundreds of millions, which they will.

        President Kanye West and first lady Kim Kardashian will find the prestige their climb to the top of the social ladder as rubber stampers in chief will be poor compensation for the work they won’t have a clue to know how to do in 2020. By then things will be going in the shitter big time. Cities will be burning and only White House beauty tips will saturate the news. There will be no answers to our troubles.

        Kanye should be careful what he wishes for. Prez Trump won’t be leaving him a country that is in good shape at all. The only good shape will be the exaggerated profile of Kim which will be seen everywhere a picture can be possibly posted or printed. She will still look good in five years and that is good because it will take a big distraction to water down our big troubles into insignificance. But with her ASSets Kim might just be able to pull it off.

        • Therian September 7, 2015 at 5:39 pm #

          Well put, Dawg! I believe that the powers that be are already committed to allowing as many Asians in here as possible. Why? Because they temporarily keep the Social Security and Medicare systems afloat by paying into them.

          Here in California, many locals grouse about how Asians seem to get to the front of every line in the elder care, employment, and other social services systems. They’d better get used to it because corporations (i.e., the REAL government) aren’t going to back candidates who want higher wages, hiring of people who were born here, or other employee-centric systems.

          I take it that your depiction of Prez. Kanye is when we take the final plunge into “Idiocracy” … a funny movie but a scary implication.

          • K-Dog September 7, 2015 at 11:43 pm #

            Yes, ‘Idiocracy’ is in our future if a future we have!

            Your observation about Asians matches mine. Seattle has always had a large Asian population but in the last few years it seems to have doubled in size with accents getting thicker and harder to understand every passing year. As employment goes they all seem to be doing fine. They hire each other.

            The rest of the country probably has no idea what we are talking about for the current Asian influx may be a West Coast phenomena. At least to the degree it is noticeable. Native Americans must have felt the same way 150 years ago.


            You will appreciate the irony of my bicycling around the outskirts of my neighbourhood a few years ago. I turned into a new housing development to see what was going on. A hundred Spanish stations were blaring mariachi music in all flavors as busy workers pounded away on their hammers. Now this same high end development of faux early American colonial houses is fully settled with newly arrived Asians with nary a white or other minority in sight.

            Illegal immigrants building homes for future legal immigrants while local residents take in each others laundry to get by. It boggles the mind. But not as much as Kim Kardashians popularity. Try explaining the secret to Kim’s popularity to a newly arrived alien visitor.

            It all started when an ageing black sports star practically beheads two white people outside a condo with a knife. Kim’s dad who is a friend of this ageing sports star defends him in court but upon finding out his friend is actually guilty has a breakdown and develops cancer as a result of a suppressed immune system. This makes young Kim and her sisters further victims to OJ’s murderous slashing rage.

            Kim’s mother then remarries an aimless Chris Jenner who can’t figure out that he has a charmed life and is a guy. Chris ultimately decides to become the inner woman he believes himself to be several years into a reality TV show that showcases what is supposed to be a happy family life. Abet a family much addicted to drama without a strong male role model in which to raise daughters.

            Sympathy for Kim grows for her many losses making her look really good dressed in either white or black; and on this story goes.

            It is enough to make an Aliens head explode. ‘Grey’ matter would be everywhere!

          • Therian September 8, 2015 at 12:01 am #

            This is for K-Dog … I got no reply button so that I could reply to your reply, Dawg. Board format is pretty lousy.

            Your observations in Seattle actually mimic mine, one for one. In every South Bay town from Palo Alto to San Jose, formerly mixed or Anglo neighborhoods are now either exclusively Chinese or, less common, exclusively Indian. They might as well have a gate at the edges of these enclaves with an “Anglos Keep Out” sign upon it.

            The thing is, these aliens are NOT here to be Americans. They’re here for the dough in high tech jobs. They walk down the street yammering in Cantonese or Mandarin. Their social groups are decidedly monothematic in ethnicity. Portland might be the ONLY West Coast town which hasn’t been utterly taken over by Asians. In California, the Central Coast is the ONLY remaining Anglo outpost. The interior towns like Fresno and Modesto are Mexican (to the point where the signs in the unemployment offices are PRIMARILY in Spanish). The SF Bay Area is now a whopping 40% East Asian. I suspect LA and SD are closing in on this figure.

            If it was TRUE diversity … the “melting pot” I wouldn’t object. If the invaders played fair without cutting in lines for everything I wouldn’t object. If they spoke English in public I wouldn’t object (and they damned well DEMAND ballots in Mandarin). If they were better drivers I wouldn’t object. There’s a reason why much of China is still a shithole with unsafe jobs, dead and empty new “cities”, organ harvesting clinics, and air quality that actually adds to California’s pollution. It’s populated with Chinese.

          • K-Dog September 8, 2015 at 2:07 am #

            It even confuses me and my head hasn’t exploded. I meant Bruce Jenner. Khris is the mom and she has a K not a C. The C came from Caitlyn Jenner who used to be Bruce. O had a little trouble keeping it all straight in my head.

            “If it was TRUE diversity … the “melting pot” I wouldn’t object. If the invaders played fair without cutting in lines for everything I wouldn’t object.”

            No melting is going on in a society that has everybody plugged into cell phones as they walk down the street. Everybody now drifts to having a small circle of friends in their own private bubble they consider reality. Once people had to interact with strangers to get by in life but the digital world makes new rules. Everybody becomes isolated from everybody else outside their circle, Social skills do not flourish.

            Asians are good and bad like everyone else. You are right,
            China is a shithole with unsafe jobs. It has dead and empty new cities. It has organ harvesting clinics and a serious investment in the death penalty. Air pollution which blows across the Pacific to California. All because it is populated with Chinese; who happen to be human beings with a long culture and history. There are aspects to Asian culture which are good; others which are horrible. They are as all other cultures of humanity are; a mixed lot of good and bad.

            But philosophy aside; they have been arriving for a while.

          • gsmith September 8, 2015 at 11:11 am #

            Funny how everyone seems to look outside themselves to judge
            the lack of backbone of others. We either have a country or we don’t as said by current real estate tycoon. Voting at first was restricted to people who owned property. Maybe someone who has a great vested interest to protect his investment is the one to protect the country as well.If your not part of the solution then maybe your part of the problem. Stand up and do something or stay on the porch and hope for the best.

    • sauerkraut September 7, 2015 at 10:53 am #


      Much is mysterious until one invokes contrapositive logic:
      1. if they wanted X they would do Y
      2. they did not do Y
      3. therefore they did not want X

      Yet, for some reason, we the people are baffled by the simplest of strategems. They merely assert that they really, really, and truly, truly, and patriotically, patriotically, wanted X.

      No wonder the educated class is migrating to safety in the NSA. If I were young, I would probably do likewise.

    • soar07 September 7, 2015 at 6:47 pm #

      What Europe ought to be doing is figuring out a way to stabilize Syria and stop the refugees at the source. But, that would require that they actually take action themselves militarily, and not just watch while ISIS runs rampant in Syria.

      Meanwhile the USA does what exactly?

    • petraeus September 7, 2015 at 7:09 pm #

      James’s only mistake was believing any part of this cesspool we call humanity is worth saving. Let the nukes drop.

    • consultant13 September 8, 2015 at 12:18 pm #

      The way down in our era IS going to be different than previous eras. In the West, we have so much stuff to unwind. So many deadly things that can go wrong or go boom. We have a human population size that has never before existed on the face of this Earth.

      What Jim calls our Long Emergency, or clusterfuck for short, can easily get crazy quick. All of these emerging and ongoing catastrophes mean that a BIG EVENT will just set it off.

      If that happens, the leadership around the world, the elites, won’t be much better off than the rest of us. As an example, take country, the USA.

      How does a nation in decline manage or administer 20,000 or more planet killing nuclear bombs? How will we keep the people, maintenance and all of the supporting structures in place to keep them under “lock and key”? No declining empire in history has had to deal with that problem. And we’re not the only nation with weapons of mass destruction.

      I don’t wish this on anyone or any nation, but I suspect before we reach that state, some, as Jim puts it, “corn pone leader” here or abroad will set it off.

      Hang in there. Interesting, sad & difficult times ahead.

  2. BackRowHeckler September 6, 2015 at 9:22 pm #

    Jeez Jim, i don’t know, according to today’s front page NYT story, German citizens are overjoyed at the arrival of these migrants from the Muslim lands, just dizzy with happiness at the thought of this alien diaspora living amongst them. Why, they were cheering as the nowcomers disembarked from trains and busses in Munich. The story also said that each and every migrant gets 150 euros per month allowance ‘walking around money’ and another 450 per month for other expenses. Not too bad if you’re from Eritrea or the Sudan, that’s like 10 years wages.


    • pintada September 7, 2015 at 8:59 am #

      First, they will cheer because we all want to be generous and enlightened. When 100K turns into 400K, there will be grumbling and hand wringing, and when the numbers are in the millions, they will discover that walls sound like a very good plan. But when the money runs out, the walls will no longer be manned or maintainable. Economic conditions will even out, and there will be no point in trying to migrate.

    • malthuss September 7, 2015 at 10:51 am #

      The globalist media (Pravda) is pushing the photo of a drowned immigrant child found washed up on a beach. The bleeding heart liberals of the world now want to open their homes to the poor suffering Muslims and Africans.

      What they should show are all those hundreds of bloody faces of those pretty white girls in Finland, Sweden and elsewhere. These women were raped and beaten to a bloody pulp by invaders from the Middle East and Africa. Thousands of brutalize women in Europe and England. Anyone who talks about it is branded a Nazi or Racist.

      I have spent a couple nights looking at film clips from Europe. The Africans are tearing the shit out of Greece and Italy. Mobs are roaming down the streets destroying traffic signs, smashing traffic lights, tipping over dumpsters and throwing rocks and trash through windows. Fires are being set and people are being attacked. All because they are upset about HOW THEY ARE BEING TREATED. They have RIGHTS and want money and fancy homes to stay in. Bleeding hearts are feeding them and they throw the food on the ground because some of the cans have expired sell dates. Hundreds of Muslims have TURNED DOWN FREE BOTTLES OF WATER because the bottles have a RED CROSS printed on the boxes. When food is brought to them they mob and attack the trucks and workers. The Africans are DEMANDING FOOD from their native country. They don’t like all that boring food from Europe. They also don’t like those tents they are FORCED TO LIVE IN. Millions of these cockroach’s are taking over Europe.

      Just saw a story about a trial in Sweden for eleven (seven convicted) Muslims who spent hours raping a white women they lured into a refugee camp. There are cities in Sweden where the local population live in fear and do not go out at night. The liberals are welcoming these savages into their countries. The Muslims have taken over whole towns and have formed criminal and drug dealing Mafias.

      It is obvious that war has been declared on the Anglo-Saxon people of the world. GATEWAY PUNDIT and SABOTEUR 365 have some really good coverage on what is going on overseas. England has become a lost country. These Muslims and African are just as violent, if not worst than what we are dealing with. I cannot imagine what it will be like after they move MILLIONS MORE of these people into the large black populated cities like they are doing with the Mexicans. –Paul Kerseys SBPDL site.

      • statens_jarnvagar September 7, 2015 at 11:34 am #


        Check out this video from Greece.

        • malthuss September 7, 2015 at 4:09 pm #

          If I were stronger I would.
          I have seen the black tide fence hopping into Spain – via the web.

          Thanks anyway.

        • sprawlcapital September 11, 2015 at 7:20 am #

          As of 6:16 this morning US Central DST, the video was blocked on copyright grounds.

      • Janos Skorenzy September 7, 2015 at 3:35 pm #

        As Stalin said, one person is a tragedy, then thousand just a statistic. Thus people make pilgrimage to Ann Frank’s house while the millions of raped and murdered German girls and women goes unmourned. Even Germans do this – an unspeakable tragedy of forgetting. To remember is Culture, Nationhood and Life.

        • malthuss September 7, 2015 at 4:22 pm #

          Over at [Takis?] I read an interesting tale.
          I want to share it.

          The Israelis go to the War Monuments, not the peace marches.


          I went to the Holocaust Museum near Jerusalem. Or to be more precise I was dragooned there with the rest of my group by the State-provided guide.
          Not many people go there and not a single local.

          Apparently local school groups are taken to museums covering Israel’s wars or Masada. [!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]

          If Israel has a Mecca, it’s that fortified town.

      • miasmo September 8, 2015 at 1:54 am #

        Dude, you’re pretty close. Using the term “cockroach’s” was a nice touch. But if you want to go full Nazi, you should actually say something about “preserving the master race.” You clearly nailed it with the plain old racism. Good effort but could use improvement to achieve full Nazi.

        • Janos Skorenzy September 8, 2015 at 5:00 am #

          Better full Nazi than full Retard. The middle ground is getting smaller and smaller….

          • miasmo September 10, 2015 at 2:29 am #

            That sounds like an endorsement of Nazis.

    • Brabantian September 7, 2015 at 10:56 am #

      US press especially, and media in general, are not reflecting the huge negative emotion building in European countries re the possibly 2-5 million Muslim arrivals expected in the next few years … articles such as this are starting to appear in Europe:

      “There are now more than 4,000 covert ISIS gunmen “ready” across the European Union, claimed an operative working for Islamic State, taking advantage of generosity towards refugees to infiltrate Europe, welcoming nations like Sweden and Germany, he said … the majority blend in and travel amongst a huge tide of illegal migrants flooding Europe. Two Turkish refugee-smugglers backed up the claims made by the ISIS Syrian operative, one admitted to helping more than ten trained ISIS rebels infiltrate Europe under the guise of asylum seekers.”

      And note to JHK – there are already millions of refugees from Ukraine, in Russia, in Belarus, and in the EU in Poland, Slovakia & Czechia … however they are assimilating easily due to common Slavic heritage and closeness of language

    • elysianfield September 7, 2015 at 11:40 am #

      The humanistic approach to these unfortunates is rife with “moral hazard”… Tears of joy might come to the altruistic amongst us who see these people well treated and accepted…tears, indeed, will come to the rest of us when this diaspora plays out….

      • sprawlcapital September 9, 2015 at 9:51 pm #


        This is well-written and makes sense.

        I can’t believe that you’re the same person who, a few days ago, wrote that really atrocious comment about the deaths at an Iowa hog factory that you characterized as “some rural wisdom”.


        • elysianfield September 10, 2015 at 6:41 pm #

          Regarding the hog comments…it reminded me of a local, about 15 miles away, who raised hogs. Somehow, when in the pen, he hit the ground, and the hogs killed and ate him…some clothing and a few pieces of him remained. Also, I have an immediate neighbor who raises a few hogs. One of the Bastards hates him…clicks his teeth at him every time he approaches the pen (something like the zombie in World War Z), and bites him every chance he gets. With that in mind, and a lack of judgment, I sallied forth…my apologies.

          • sprawlcapital September 12, 2015 at 4:14 am #

            Apology accepted. Thanks, Elysian.

    • vengeur September 7, 2015 at 2:45 pm #

      Most of the German Press does not have a comments section after stories about the flood of Syrian immigrants. But when they do, the comments are overwhelmingly NEGATIVE.

    • Therian September 7, 2015 at 5:42 pm #

      Howdy, BRH. European employers like cheap Muslims just like American employers like cheap Indians and Chinese. Of course, the mainstream media is only going to depict happy happy joy joy when it comes to welcoming foreign labor. It’s a balkanized world and this benefits absolutely no one EXCEPT the people leaving those shitholes … and bringing their horrible values and horrible driving with them.

      • messianicdruid September 9, 2015 at 12:13 pm #

        What “shitholes” are the “employers” (corporations) leaving? Or, are you saying they are leaving the whole planet a “shithole”?

  3. sprawlcapital September 6, 2015 at 10:02 pm #

    Great work today, JHK!

    To me its about numbers of people, more than race or language. The US is over-populated now, and most of our growth is from in-migration, and most of that from south of the border.

    Language and culture are important too, however. Where I work, the custodial staff is mostly Hispanic, mostly with poor English language skills. Communicating with them is a problem. They are employed by a contracting company; they are not employees of the entity that pays me. I have never asked anyone if they are “undocumented”. My employer saves lots of money, i am certain, by this contracting scheme, rather than hiring them directly.

    • sprawlcapital September 6, 2015 at 10:09 pm #

      The supervisor of the custodial staff at my place of employment is from Honduras. His English is fairly good, and he serves as the translator for his staff.

    • baird September 6, 2015 at 11:24 pm #

      Population is the primary driver. Virtually every aspect of the impending planetary storm derives from this. Our numbers will be reduced of course, in ways too awful to contemplate.

    • Therian September 7, 2015 at 5:46 pm #

      See my post above re immigrant labor. Employers LOVE it because they pay low wages and low benefits. This will only get worse as the secular trend in disappearing middle classes extends in N. America and Europe. They will issue scare tactics to make the native honkies cringe for their Medicare and Social Security and IRAs i.e., “no immigrants, no entitlements” will be their motto.

      Hence, having driver’s tests which are prejudiced in favor of Mexicans will be one of a dozen examples where foreigners are treated far, far better than native born Americans.

  4. wpa--ccc September 7, 2015 at 1:25 am #

    “Why, they were cheering as the newcomers disembarked from trains and busses in Munich.” — brh


    Well, yes. Germany is gaining new, appreciative, hard working citizens. Among those newcomers are electrical engineers, doctors, and other educated professionals who were, after all, speaking to CNN reporters in English, expressing their love for Germany, their gratitude to the German people, and their desire to learn German. Those immigrants are a net positive and will make Germany stronger.

    • routersurfer September 7, 2015 at 9:10 am #

      http://www.euractiv.com/sections/global-europe/majority-germans-reject-immigration-outside-eu-312282 Read this. 29% is NOT a majority.

    • vengeur September 7, 2015 at 3:03 pm #

      “Among those newcomers are electrical engineers, doctors, and other educated professionals …Those immigrants are a net positive and will make Germany stronger.” The average German knows this is BS and that these immigrants will be a huge financial burden. But BIG BUSINESS loves them, because they know these immigrants will need food and shelter, and they don’t care WHO (the working taxpayers) pays for it , as long as their PROFITS increase.

    • Therian September 7, 2015 at 5:49 pm #

      Really? They don’t work half as smart as the native Germans. The professionals you cite are a vanishingly small part of the immigrant influx in Germany. Most of the influx are Muslims who serve coffee and sweep floors. As usual, you are full of multiculti, one world bullshit that is all propaganda and very little reality. When were you last in Germany? Do you seriously think native Germans as a whole are welcoming these people?

    • Bird Dog September 8, 2015 at 6:43 am #

      One cannot ‘love’ a country one doesn’t know: it takes a lifetime, centuries even, to build such deep sentiment.

      It is a matter of History, of Race, of Culture.

      The desire to assimilate – and behave modestly and responsibly within the law – is an acceptable substitute, but it is not the real thing.

      One cannot feel ‘gratitude’ to those from whom one is taking, and on whom one is imposing oneself.

  5. FincaInTheMountains September 7, 2015 at 3:24 am #

    Meet Laith Al Saleh – yesterday an ISIS militant, today a refugee

    Having hundreds of thousands of refugees from Syria and other hot spots of the Middle East, the authorities of European countries are paying very little attention to the study of the past of forced migrants.

    Meanwhile, among the refugees there are different people.

    Not all of migrating to the EU for a better life are really who they say they are. Young men of military bearing strikingly stand out from the crowd of truly destitute, persecuted people. In their eyes, there is no fear and doom, like the rest. They are calm and confident, and probably operate on a pre-approved program.



    This is Laith Al Saleh, a plasterer from Aleppo. Rather, plasterer this guy was about 5 years ago, before he joined ISIS. Internet is full with numerous photographs of his participation in the organization.
    Characteristic scar on the face of Al-Saleh leaves no doubt. In the spring the man fought on the side of ISIS.

    Naturally, such as he do not settle in Greece, Hungary, Bulgaria and other poorer European countries. They all need Germany, or, at least, Austria. Question – why.

    I’m afraid that the answers to these questions, we are going to find out in the near future.

  6. BackRowHeckler September 7, 2015 at 3:58 am #

    Does anybody know if these tens of thousands of migrants decending into the heart of Europe … have they been screened for infectious diseases? Because, in the crapholes they’re coming from, some pretty nasty diseases are prevalent. Does that free medical care extended to the German people also include these newcomers? What if Jim is right and this is just the first wave, the first of many? Are there enough resources in Germany to take care of the whole third world, and by the 5th or 6th wave will Geman young people still be cheering migrants as the train pulls into Frankfurt?


  7. FincaInTheMountains September 7, 2015 at 4:06 am #

    Personally, I do not share the views of our host that we are in the process of “the winding down of the techno-industrial system and the global economy with it.”

    I think that we are in the process of winding down the current Imperial politico-financial structure of world dominance by a single country and Bretton Woods financial system that is associated with it. But the agony of transition to something new is going to be painful for the majority of the people.

    Latest Russian breakthroughs in the area of 4-generation nuclear breeder reactors on fast neutrons and 5-generation of U238/Thorium reactors with compact high-energy accelerators such as BWLAP – Backward Wave Linear Accelerator for Protons – will compensate for the fact that cheap oil is not going to be available.

    Putin is going to give a speech at the end of September on the General Assembly of UN. Would be interesting to hear what he will have to say.

  8. statens_jarnvagar September 7, 2015 at 4:29 am #

    Golden Dawn is the most popular party with the 18-24 age group. Perhaps Greece – the birthplace of Western Civilization – will be the one to save it.

  9. lou September 7, 2015 at 4:52 am #

    Leaders of global capitalism acknowledged early on there would be winners and losers. It should not be lost on anyone that many of these same leaders saw no problem with population growth. Or that the losers might also be among those with high population growth rates. Which in turn might lead to very highly skewed populations of young, unemployed young men. So, what to do? Why yes, toss in the “freedom” cocktail. With a big can of techno whoop ass. Just to show the world the winners got this all under control.

    All at tremendous cost of capital resources and human flesh not to mention the extreme opportunity cost of doing something that might really help the losers, like a Marshall Plan for the Middle East. Which, if begun about the time of Shock and Awe, might have prevented the flow of refugees we see now in Europe. But, that would have been an opportunity cost to the profiteers of whoop ass. But, shit started flowing downhill over there after WWII during the cold war when we had to bolster the colonial interests of our European allies as a defense against Big Red. Cluster Fuck has a very long tail. Europe is reaping what it sowed when it lay in ruins resembling the present day Syria. Europe is closer to a source of sympathy for these refugees than we will ever be. And with fewer gated communities harboring the winners.

    Add now a future of climate change, disappearing fresh water supplies, repeated economic disruptions and you got yourself the real mess that will endure and not just the one that will do for now. (No Country for Old Men).

    And no, to Finca, nuclear energy will not compensate for expensive oil. Please consider that oil is the energy source that moves and undergirds all energy, resource and infrastructure developments. There is no other liquid combustible fuel to substitute in adequate quantities for oil. We are way too far downstream on this river of oil, a hydraulic civilization in its own right. You might think we would look at this cheap oil as an opportunity to build a world less dependent on oil, but instead we look on it as an opportunity to purchase gas guzzlers — the American Way will not be negotiated! Freedom!

    • routersurfer September 7, 2015 at 9:08 am #

      Maybe we could have had the technology dream IF we had started down that path in the 50’s or 60’s– that train is over the horizon. The 1% will want to restart that path after the 99% are removed by market forces. My guess is that plan is more unworkable than suburban living. Ted Turner nailed it years ago. World population 400 – 600 million, maybe smaller. Most will be farmers. Hopefully the Warlords and land owner will be killed off. I do not like the odds. But that is my hope.

    • baird September 7, 2015 at 9:48 am #

      Exactissimo, and we’re way past Bucky’s vain hope that just a little trim tab adjustment can correct the unfortunate course of this particular ship. God rest his soul.

    • Neon Vincent September 7, 2015 at 10:07 am #

      “You might think we would look at this cheap oil as an opportunity to build a world less dependent on oil, but instead we look on it as an opportunity to purchase gas guzzlers — the American Way will not be negotiated! Freedom!”

      That’s one of the points I made in lowest Labor Day gas prices in 11 years both good and bad; people are using the current conditions as an excuse to buy less efficient vehicles. Within a couple of years, that will likely prove to be folly, either because the price of gas will shoot up again or because the U.S. will go into recession and a lot of those people will lose their jobs. Either way, they won’t be able to afford their cars. Making that argument now won’t make much of an impression. The locals are too happy that the recent gas price spike turned out to be a dead cat bounce.

      • seawolf77 September 7, 2015 at 9:57 pm #

        The American way of life is non negotiable. Translation: Oil company profits are non negotiable. Defense contractor profits are non negotiable.

  10. FincaInTheMountains September 7, 2015 at 5:31 am #

    Russians are on the move again.
    Putin orders a sudden inspection of Central Military District (CVO)

    Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday September 7 put the task of a sudden verification of the Central Military District (CVO). This was announced by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu at a meeting with the leadership of the Russian Defense Ministry in the National Center for State defense management reports RIA News.

    Shoigu also ordered to conduct exercises with the troops of territorial defense CVO during which it will be necessary “to approve the new organizational structure of the military district in the time of war.”


    Oh shit, here we go again. September promises to be hot.

    • routersurfer September 7, 2015 at 8:59 am #

      Why not ? They have a great track record with winter warfare.

      • seawolf77 September 8, 2015 at 1:00 pm #

        The best.

        • Janos Skorenzy September 8, 2015 at 3:39 pm #

          The Finns kicked their ass.

          • seawolf77 September 9, 2015 at 10:16 pm #

            I believe Hitler did too, at least at the beginning. I think that’s called strategy. Stalin did not use the T-34 tank until the Battle of Russia. It was the most powerful use of a secret weapon in military history. Again, strategy.

          • seawolf77 September 9, 2015 at 10:17 pm #

            Oops Battle of Moscow. Nearly collapsed the entire front.

    • Smoky Joe September 7, 2015 at 10:29 am #

      Putin may be a megalomaniacal thug, but he understands force and its use. He won’t let Mother Russia be overrun unless the refugees dance to his tune.

  11. FincaInTheMountains September 7, 2015 at 5:42 am #

    Islamic State reveals it has smuggled THOUSANDS of extremists into Europe


    • malthuss September 7, 2015 at 10:56 am #

      I prefer that the coming war be soon. Before Civilized Nations get any weaker.

    • Kevin Lee September 9, 2015 at 2:32 pm #

      It just occurred to me that they could spend years waging war against their host countries without any response by adopting a simple tactic: instead of shouting “alu akbar!” and waving an ISIL flag before an attack, if they were to establish a history of being a “troubled young man”, you know, lose a job, lose a girlfriend, complain about mistreatment by the xenophobes in their host countries, the leadership would be wringing their hands trying to figure out what they did wrong to cause this. Then again, maybe it’s already started.

  12. harryflashmanhigson September 7, 2015 at 7:45 am #

    As one of the people who’s going to have to deal with this I can only say that JHK hits the nail firmly on the head! Letting all these muslims in to Europe is only going to store up trouble down the line. As if we don’t have enough now! I understand the urge to help, but cooler heads need to prevail here. Cultural war will happen between Islam and ‘the west’ ,it’s inevitable, and the stupidity of it is it’s obvious!

    • capt spaulding September 7, 2015 at 10:38 am #

      All of these things are just a preview of what awaits the US on it’s southern border. The politicians here know this, but they are courting the Hispanic vote, and nobody wants to be considered the bad guy (like Trump), and so, like so many other problems we have, people in the know have to stand back and watch the nightmare slowly unfold.

  13. routersurfer September 7, 2015 at 8:32 am #

    What a shame JHK is not being carried in most papers. Few will have a program to the coming show. For the past 20 years or so many people of wealth and means have moved to the major cities of the West. Most of the West just accepted it as a wonderful flow of “New” money into the capitalist system. Now, the educated working class people are on the move. We speak of all the talent and energy they are going to bring but forget the resentment of the native born they will displace in job markets with fewer and fewer needs for the technocrat class. The next wave will be the mass of people that still work with their back and hands. Flags and support will not be given to the next wave. Maybe the full Robot Employment Act of 2020 will be to remove all “unwanted” population. R.E.A. of 2020 sounds like a bad Arnold movie from the 1980’s–but may happen. 80% + will die without oil. The script is written. How will the 1% hold onto power and privilege ? The curtain is coming up. Enjoy the show !

    • sprezzatura September 7, 2015 at 9:13 am #

      For Jim’s column to be carried in most papers, I think he’d have to start by changing its name :o)

      I don’t have a problem with the name. It’s just not mainstream enough.

      • Zoltar September 7, 2015 at 11:37 am #

        You’re right.

        I think he should change it to Clusterfuck Planet.

        • pequiste September 8, 2015 at 12:30 am #

          A capital idea!

          JHK make note.

  14. terrasapien September 7, 2015 at 8:42 am #

    All fine and well when it’s out of sight. Many little boys dying in the rubble of what was their family home, pinned by tones of concrete crying for their mother before dying of thirst. But we, the citizens of the nations that did that to them can sleep well at night, until his pathetic little body washes up on a shore somewhere and gets photographed. Then we can’t ignore it quite so easily. Watch the acceleration of converting dwindling planetary resources into war machinery as we fight over what’s left like prolific bacteria in a Petri-dish.

    • routersurfer September 7, 2015 at 8:56 am #

      Well put terrasapien ! Not sure I am as upbeat for a second act as many on this site appear. THIS feels more like a one act play, to me.

  15. George September 7, 2015 at 9:07 am #

    “The refugee / immigrant crisis around the Mediterranean is a preview of a horror show to which there is no end in sight, and is certain to escalate. “

    Indeed, in the not too distant future the EU will be forced to treat the refugees like an armed invasion force and shoot them as they approach their borders.


    • terrasapien September 7, 2015 at 9:22 am #

      Ever the “us and them” division for the conquer and divide control mechanism. New calls for war in Syria will appeal to the half which is horrified by the prospect of sharing their space with “them”. Ever notice how “the media” amplifies issues to be used as a tool? And ignores those issues that could get people coming together to push back against diversion of their collective resources towards wars and destruction?

  16. Being There September 7, 2015 at 9:13 am #

    The Sky is the Limit!

    Today I was watching the news and they had an interview with Newt Gingrich re: Trump and why he’s doing so well in the polls.
    Newt put it succinctly.
    Trump keeps talking about being “winners” and Americans want to be winners. In this world there are never limits to how high the stock market goes or how much oil we can waste, or eat through ….
    This is an economic model that has no limits to growth…the model is a down-right panacea. (not for the billions of regular people, though)

    However……what is never mentioned on the media is:

    Americans want to be a sovereign nation. Americans want to be national not global.
    Globalism is only for the CEO class and central bankers with no allegiance to the nation. They are the looters and privatizers who force debt on the world and for whom all trade deals and wars and central technocratic control of the world economy are done.

    Just to add insult to injury to the world, the US hegemons hate competition. AND the EU as a industrial competitive force is guess what? COMPETITION…

    YES, they are our NATO vassals and we appear to be their ally, snake eyes and all, but if we can take down their social safety net and flood them with Islamic refugees, what could be better than that?
    How bogged down in chaos can they become?
    Pepe Escobar doesn’t dub us the Empire of Chaos for nothing.
    One can see our handiwork all over the globe creating strife in every corner, so we can clean up

    ……we can never lose.—So the economic growth and the cost of living can go sky high and the billionaire class can keep getting richer at our expense. This can go on forever!

    —-but we know it’s gonna hit a wall.

    • ozone September 7, 2015 at 10:14 am #

      An enlightening perspective to your post here and
      lou September 7, 2015 at 4:52 am # is to be found nearby:


      While many have been pretending that simply putting the correct authoritarian, militaristic A-holes in charge is going to solve these little troubles that JHK has the temerity to keep bringing up, migration (approved or no) is going to tell many tales of how things are going to wring out for the human race.

      In this regard also, the frontier mentality is ‘unhelpful’ to say the very least…

    • Therian September 7, 2015 at 5:52 pm #

      Now that corporations run the entire planet, we can expect the trend towards low-wage immigration and low-benefits employers to continue unabated. Employers will scare the middle class with talk of bankruptcy, unemployment, and crashes in the entitlement systems as the reason for the “necessity” of opening the floodgates.

  17. Being There September 7, 2015 at 9:33 am #

    Oh, lest I forget Bernie Sanders does the same for the progressives that Trump does for the conservatives. He also demands a modern nation state that provides a social safety net as does Trump. (Yes, Trump says he’s for a social safety net. Trump is not a Neolib or Neocon, but he plays into the conservative narrative on the sovereign nation state issue.)

    What Bernie does is take the Dem party back to the FDR paradigm which is to say that those who have captured govt to reduce their taxes to nothing are gonna have to pay into the crumbling system again.

    Let’s see what the elite do with this. It should be a bumpy ride for anyone trying to bring this around.

    • BackRowHeckler September 7, 2015 at 9:41 am #

      How would Bernie get any of his program thru if the Republicans hold on to the House and Senate?

      Obama is setting a president with all these executive orders, but I’m not sure Sanders would be able to pull over like Obama has. You need the MSM solidly behind you to do that.


    • Therian September 7, 2015 at 5:55 pm #

      I think the wealthy should pay a “Defense Tax” because only they have an empire large enough that they would fear social disorder and decay far more than most people who are just trying to get by in life.

  18. Being There September 7, 2015 at 9:52 am #

    He won’t, of course.
    They would prob. kill him before letting him take the presidency.
    That’s why I said my last sentence. Just being subtle. Planes go down every day.

  19. Cold N. Holefield September 7, 2015 at 9:58 am #

    First comes the refugees, then comes the explosions and mass shootings. Anyone want to guess when and where the first one will be? You know the IS is sneaking some of their own in amongst these refugees, so it’s just a matter of time. And The Media loves it all. It all makes for great news. Think how many pharmaceuticals (symptoms of rheumatoid arthritis and erectile dysfunction are positively correlated with reports of terrorist attacks and mass shootings) they can sell with all the spectacles that will emanate from this crisis and so many more to come. It’s like Manna from Heaven.

  20. Being There September 7, 2015 at 10:05 am #

    Yes, Cold N. Holefield,

    The money for and made in war makes the globalism go round….its always a winner even if we never win.

  21. Ishabaka September 7, 2015 at 10:07 am #

    No so long ago, the USA was faced with a horde of political refugees who mostly didn’t speak English, had an alien religion and culture, and had little desire to blend in with our WASP culture. Luckily, our President at the time made sure most of them were turned away. The time was the 1930’s, the President Franklin Roosevelt, and the immigrants European Jews.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 7, 2015 at 2:03 pm #

      But enough of them got in anyway over time and they’ve overthrown the old Republic.

  22. Smoky Joe September 7, 2015 at 10:27 am #

    “Camp of the Saints” 2015.

    The tragedy to me is that wealthy Gulf nations have not stepped up to take in refugees in any numbers. Culturally and economically, they’d have a better chance there rather than in leaky boats crossing the Med…of course, in a year the entire Gulf may look like Yemen.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 7, 2015 at 2:05 pm #

      That’s Nazi thinking. Who are you to want you own country? You’re a born slave, dhimmi.

  23. sauerkraut September 7, 2015 at 10:28 am #

    With a rational plan, we could easily support 100 million people on what remains of the planet. But a rational plan precludes sentimentality. And the world exudes sentimentality. Therefore, a rational plan is not in the cards until things get worse. At which point, other emotions will be harnessed to divide and conquer, and prevent a rational plan.

    We may decry the lack of rational planning by all the responsible agencies, but we should remember that we, the people, will not stand for rational plans. Nor will our masters. Because if we get rational about peak resources, we might begin to get rational about oligarchs. And that would never do.

    • ozone September 7, 2015 at 1:22 pm #

      Bulls-eye. Very insightful post about human proclivities.
      Now, to carry that part about sentimentality a bit further, Nature is eternally busy with unsentimental experimentation and will inevitably have the very last word. Getting rational would be the best survival strategy, but I agree, we [the lumpenprole] won’t be allowed that course.

      • Janos Skorenzy September 7, 2015 at 2:13 pm #

        Wont be allowed? Wont be allowed? That’s what a wanna be tech chick said: women aren’t given permission to sit at their computers for 18 hours straight, in dirty clothes eating pop tarts.

        People just can’t accept the Truth of human difference. Your lumpen proles are lumpen proles. The noble ones rebel or otherwise rise. You don’t want to be a lumpen prole and guess what? You aren’t one even if that is where you came from. Same here. You are clinging to illusions about them and I am not. That’s the difference. I took the red pill and you ate the raspberry pop tart. I’m becoming a butterfly while you’re just becoming a bigger caterpillar.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 7, 2015 at 2:07 pm #

      And who is going to get rational about the oligarchs? The people? C’mon. A new Enviro Elite. New Oligarchs in other words. That’s the way of the world. There’s always an Elite. What differs is their quality, motives, and beliefs.

      • sauerkraut September 7, 2015 at 6:27 pm #

        “A new Enviro Elite” ??? My turn: C’mon.

        In the unlikely event that you are serious, how much money do they have? How many corporations do they control (% GGP will do)? How many tools in office?

        Anyway, I think that I may have been obscure in trying to explain my point. What I meant to say can be told as a story from the popular culture: Star Trek. Captain Kirk finds a fugitive arch-criminal in a troupe of touring actors, a man named Kodos. His crime was to create and execute a rational plan to preserve the maximum number of people, currently enduring famine, with relief a known time in the future. All the Galaxy abhorred Kodos.

        An interesting example of life mimicking art, don’t you think?

    • ozone September 7, 2015 at 2:45 pm #

      Interesting. vladdie has, once again (surprise!), missed the point entirely. Why would that be? Promotion of some kind of grandiose, hectic bullshittery, or simple (and simplistic) distraction/diversion?

      Your comment stands, despite shit-slinging fantasists.

  24. PeteAtomic September 7, 2015 at 10:50 am #

    “History is not a bedtime story about bunnies and kittens.”


    People are gonna move where the goodies are, or what is left of the goodies– the “West.” The multinationals have done a fantastic job selling the World the lifestyle obsessions which saw their heyday 30 years ago. So, yeah– who wouldn’t wanna stuff their face with Happy Meals & Big Gulps? What these refugees are going to find out to their great chagrin however, is that the mounds of toys and sugar plums aren’t there anymore, and the only employment opportunities are as Uber drivers, or Sologig.com part-timers.

    I’d disagree to a point about borders closing. There is a large element in the West who are mewling, hand-wringing, self-haters. They are obsessed with the “diversity” philosophy, which is the Left’s kneejerk reaction to entropic decline. The argument is, is that if “we just throw non-whites” into a problem, everything will magically get better. I’m simplifying a bit, but not too much.

    When food and freshwater resources start to get thin then maybe, ‘maybe’ something will happen, but not until then, and still the Left intelligentsia and media will be teary eyed about stopping the refugee parade.

    Human society is generally not preventative, on the contrary, it’s reactive. So, with that principal in mind, expect a good deal of ugliness and instability before this is over.

    • sauerkraut September 7, 2015 at 11:05 am #

      Left and Right are another example of divide and conquer. At least pity is nicer than hate.

      As for “a good deal of ugliness and instability before this is over,” with all due respect, I don’t think that “this” is ever going to get better. It’s just a matter of how bad it gets before you join the die-off.

      A good strategy would be to join the procrastinating side while there is still time. Practical advice is to join the national security establishment.

      • Janos Skorenzy September 7, 2015 at 2:20 pm #

        No, the hatred is conserved and transferred to their own people – usually the ones who oppose the great experiment, also know as the great replacement. And the compassion or pity is now for the aliens.

        Thus normal xenophobia is replaced by xenophillia. And you think this is an improvement? It’s a sickness – like ducklings who imprinted on a beach ball as a mother. They grown up and try to fuck the beach ball. And you know what? It doesn’t work and their genes are not passed on.

        • sauerkraut September 7, 2015 at 4:46 pm #

          No, I don’t think so. Hatred is not conserved, and not being conserved, need not be transferred. I speak of conscious beings only.

          But yes, I do think that xenophillia is better than xenophobia, because it is less violent and less prone to use as a tool of social control. It helps to stay focussed on the issues and not be distracted by appeals to the limbic system.

          • Janos Skorenzy September 7, 2015 at 5:23 pm #

            Energy is neither created nor destroyed. Your credit is someone else’s debit. Your love for the alien is your hatred – or worse, indifference – to your own people.

            You have much to learn about the physics of consciousness. And Europeans are being thrown out of their homes to make room for the aliens. Is this not hatred – or the cold hatred of indifference?

            Hot or energized hatred can sometimes be transformed into something positive. But your indifference is well nigh incorrigible. The Cure of Ars would sometimes weep for sinners who could not weep for themselves. This sometimes worked. Alas, I am no saint and just want you deported with your new friends.

          • sauerkraut September 7, 2015 at 6:45 pm #

            This is a reply to Janos, 5:23 PM.

            You are right, I have much to learn about the physics of consciousness. So does everybody else. It is physical energy which is neither created nor destroyed in non-nuclear processes. Psychic energy is not so constrained; read, “relax”.

            You mistake my passion for indifference, though I don’t quite see how. I am passionate about the rational, and the rational includes staying focussed on the issue. Immigration policy needs a rational basis, not a porridge of conflicting sentimentalities and emotions.

            Personally, I would suggest refusing all immigrants and all refugees unless they were educated, skilled, tolerant, non-religious, and law-abiding. Actually, I know some very fine people who miss on two of the above criteria, but even so, I would suggest a requirement for all of the above.

            You see, Janos, it just takes a little rational thought to do better than either of the polarized positions in which the oligarchs wish to imprison us: (1) close the borders or (2) open the borders. Theirs is the fallacy of the excluded middle.

          • Janos Skorenzy September 7, 2015 at 11:52 pm #

            No, sometimes things aren’t in the middle. The Oligarchs want open borders, period. And we don’t need the immigrants – 0, zilch, none. nyet. You’re just trying to be reasonable with unreasonable people. You and all the rest of would be conservatives. Thus they slowly move the agenda in their direction. Sometimes compromise just isn’t the answer.

          • sauerkraut September 8, 2015 at 12:00 am #

            Thank you for clarifying your position, Janos.

      • PeteAtomic September 7, 2015 at 4:57 pm #

        “As for “a good deal of ugliness and instability before this is over,” with all due respect, I don’t think that “this” is ever going to get better. It’s just a matter of how bad it gets before you join the die-off.”

        Yep, thanks. You’re probably right about that.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 7, 2015 at 2:15 pm #

      Absolutely. Blacks and Browns are their religion. They revel in bowing to their gods. In Germany, people are being thrown out of their homes to make room for the sacred brown Muslims.

  25. beantownbill. September 7, 2015 at 10:57 am #

    We will pay dearly for our lack of population control. After all, all species seem to be endowed with the need to produce offspring. In this regard, humans are just like other animals. However, it is disappointing that we haven’t used our highly evolved brain to overcome this ancient drive.

    Instead of all the gloom and doom, why don’t we take a positive outlook of the big picture? Change is coming, no doubt, and the world in the future will be different than it is now. Humans seem to be hard-wired to fear change – with some justification.

    History is filled with migrations. Why shouldn’t they continue into the present? Migration usually brings strife as different societies are thrown together. But when that happens, something good can come out of it. But just as – sorry to say janos and other white supremacists- the so-called white race is doomed to be merged with other races (even though there may not be a concept of race in nature) into golden humans, Western civilization will be merged as well. And being the big picture optimist I am, the good qualities of every culture will remain.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 7, 2015 at 2:23 pm #

      Sorry Bill, Western Culture is superior to Muslim and Hispanic Mestizo culture. The transformation is downward. If you people had been smart you would have nurtured us, but your hatred was too great. You all are the very definition of a Hostile Elite.

      • beantownbill. September 7, 2015 at 4:19 pm #

        I don’t know how you define superior, but I generally agree with you. However, I’m sure you’ve heard the phrase “on any given Sunday”. Sometimes the best team does not win. Remember, Muslims were the most advanced civilization in the world in the 10th and 11th centuries, so they have something in their makeup that can dominate. Obviously, I’m not for them, but I wouldn’t be so cavalier about their chances to rule again.

        I don’t hate, it’s just a form of fear, and it creates bad energy. You said we (Jews) all are hostile elites, but not me, so your generalization is wrong, by definition.

        • Janos Skorenzy September 7, 2015 at 4:43 pm #

          You support the hostile Jewish Elite as fellow Tribesmen – thus the “you”. You are already talking about us in the past tense – you never do that about your own people.

        • Bird Dog September 8, 2015 at 7:01 am #

          ‘Muslims’ were not the most advanced civilization in the world in the 10th and 11th centuries: one might reflect on Byzantium and China at that time. That meme is merely propaganda.

          If we dig deeper, we find that the Arab invaders handed over the task of running their empire to clever and cultured Iranians and Syrians – definitely not desert Arab throat-slitters.

          There is no link between Islam and High Culture, any more than between Christianity and High Culture.

          • beantownbill. September 8, 2015 at 9:46 am #

            Arabs invented algebra and were great astronomers and medical scientists. I don’t rate how clever they were in managing their conquered territories as a measure of “advanced”.

    • PeteAtomic September 7, 2015 at 5:22 pm #

      I largely agree with your post. Immigration into America has largely been left alone because of this one question:

      Do you really want to be out hand picking crops on a Saturday from 6 am to 6pm?

      Well I lied, there are a few other questions as well, like:
      “Do you want to pay over a dollar for a head of lettuce?”

      And the answer overwhelmingly for most every American citizen is a resounding “NO.” This type of work is why we have a large migrant group in the US working in agriculture.

      Americans consciously go to their S-marts out there and fill up on the cheapest product. They could possibly go to one of their local producers (if they are lucky to live in a part of the country where that exists), but few people do.

      It’s a reason that Walmart continues to exist. People in the US stopped supporting their small businesses and small producers, and now we’re reaping some of the costs of that with monopolies and an underemployed underclass.

      • sauerkraut September 7, 2015 at 6:53 pm #

        Nice, graphic picture you paint. Accurate, too.

      • malthuss September 7, 2015 at 10:01 pm #


        • sauerkraut September 7, 2015 at 10:30 pm #

          No need to shout, just need to provide a reference. Do you mean legal immigrants or illegal?

          And what has that to do with lowering the cost of produce by using their low-priced labour? You must know that corporations are built on exploiting economic externalities, that is, offloading the true costs of the operations onto the public. That is the statistic you need to quote to make your case.

      • elysianfield September 8, 2015 at 11:44 am #

        I would opine that Walmart continues to exist at the sufferance of the Federal Government and it’s 47 Billion dollar a year snap payments…that, of course, and it’s continued subsidization of Walmarts work force with welfare, housing assistance, and, again, snap payments.

        • PeteAtomic September 8, 2015 at 4:03 pm #


      • sharonsj September 12, 2015 at 6:46 pm #

        Actually, the local producers sell veggies at prices lower than the supermarkets. Only if you want organic, farm-raised, free range, no antibiotic food does it cost more.

        As for illegal aliens, I’m a diehard liberal and yet I want illegals deported. We have a separate method for bringing in farm workers to do what fat, lazy Americans won’t and that’s fine with most people. What is worse are the H1-B visas for hoards of Indians taking the high-paying tech jobs for less than half what an American got paid. And we have yet to discuss how illegals have killed good middle-class jobs in whole industries such as construction.

  26. nsa September 7, 2015 at 11:06 am #

    The neocon zio traitors implemented their plan to destroy 7 nations in 5 years by manipulating the useful idiots of the world…….USA, UK, EU, Gulf States, the various joohadi factions. Watch the EU’s cowardly paralyzed plutocrats squirm as they acquiesce to an full on invasion of their homelands by the scum of africa and the middle east….inviting the invading detritus to drain their welfare systems and fuck their daughters. The zios hate the unbearable whiteness of europe and have been plotting its destruction for years……..

    • Being There September 7, 2015 at 1:31 pm #

      Can I say “LIKE”? (for most of what you said, nsa)

      It’s not the whiteness of Europe they want to destroy it’s the economic competition they abhor.( psssst this isn’t capitalism they only call it that on the TV).

      The US is concerned with hegemony in military and financial spheres. Thus the 1-2 punch of military and central banks. They don’t care one way or another about color.

      An elite can be of any nationality or color. They don’t like national.

      • Janos Skorenzy September 7, 2015 at 2:27 pm #

        They say it openly, Be. They’ve been boasting about our destruction for years. You all think that everything is just economics. More balanced (and dangerous) people don’t think that way. So who wins in a conflict? The ones who sell their own people out for a profit or those who value their own people as part of themselves?

      • Janos Skorenzy September 7, 2015 at 4:38 pm #

        The Chinese Elite like China. The Jewish Elite like Israel. Just admit it, you are universalizing our own abnormal state. It wont wash.

  27. wpa--ccc September 7, 2015 at 11:08 am #

    “They are obsessed with the “diversity” philosophy, which is the Left’s kneejerk reaction to entropic decline. The argument is, is that if “we just throw non-whites” into a problem, everything will magically get better.” — PeteAtomic

    As opposed to “maintain strong borders, enforce English-only, and everything will magically get better?”

    “people in the know have to stand back and watch the nightmare slowly unfold.” –Capt Spaulding

    I suppose that was the attitude when Polish immigrants arrived, or Irish, or Chinese, or any other group you don’t think is part of your tribe.

    We are all part of one tribe: human beings and we all inhabit the same planet. Working together without paranoia, instead of passively and fearfully imagining a nightmare, we will have a better chance of survival.

    • PeteAtomic September 7, 2015 at 4:42 pm #

      You have a kindergarten level of understanding of human nature and human society if you believe that adding more population into an environment of resource scarcity will provide positive results.

  28. wtgagen@yahoo.com September 7, 2015 at 11:26 am #

    All we need now is a some pestilence like Ebola to run wild.

    Take a look at some photos of the size of syrian refugee camps in Turkey.

    • wtgagen@yahoo.com September 7, 2015 at 11:30 am #

      I guess they are in Jordan actually.

  29. progress4what September 7, 2015 at 11:52 am #

    Nice week’s work, JHK.

    Somebody is responsible for this. The most dangerous humans, regardless of race or creed, are young men ages 16 to 30. These “refugees,” coming into Europe are overwhelmingly young men, ages 16 to 30. The LSM manages to find a few children and women to put in the foreground of their photo ops – but look at all the men in the backgrounds.

    Same thing is happening in the US – just on a different scale. I’m doing something about it. https://www.numbersusa.com/

    • pequiste September 8, 2015 at 12:51 am #

      Damn right!

      Some persons of enormous power – a CABAL – a shadow organization – there are people who are totally responsible for this CATASTROPHE. It just appears to well orchestrated.

      The Europeans need to get angry and active fast ( I rather like what the Hungarian president said regarding the “crisis”) if this deluge is to be stopped, otherwise, like Jim alludes to – Europe is game over. Will want to go visit there just like Detroit, Camden or East St Louis, USA.

      When last in Ireland I acquired an official flyer from the Irish Postal Service with a photo that is comprised of 30% visible minorities) It’s not agitprop – just a reminder of what level down the escalator is heading to.

      The technocrats, politicians and intelligentsia at the national and EU level are just the marionettes in this shit-firestorm that is now raging in the Eurozone. They are just the switch operators.

      I would like very much to find out who called Angela Merkel and told her to take in nearly one million enemy invaders (50 divisions) Germany does not need another kebab stand.

    • sprawlcapital September 10, 2015 at 1:28 am #

      Numbers USA has a good article on farmland loss to sprawl. Thanks for the link.

  30. Cold N. Holefield September 7, 2015 at 12:20 pm #

    If you were to elect me president and not The Donald, I promise to end the immigration issue and help reduce the world population.

    To put an end to immigration, I’ll annex Mexico whether it likes it or not. Think of what this will do for the Prison Industrial Complex which will grow exponentially rounding up all the drug cartels when drugs are legalized by executive order.

    That’s another thing — thanks to BHO’s precedent, I’ll do everything by executive decree. Fuck Congress. Who needs Congress when you have Executive Orders? Not me. Not anymore.

    Regarding population control, I’ll institute mandatory sterilization campaigns starting in the third world and working its way through the second and first worlds. If any nation balks at this or the United Nations feigns indignation, I’ll nuke them into silence — another form of population control.

    I’m counting on your vote, but make it in the form of dollars — the only votes that matter.

    Thank you in advance. Together, we can America great again, and by virtue of that, make the World great again.

    • beantownbill. September 7, 2015 at 1:19 pm #

      If I was King of the world
      Tell you what I’d do
      I’d throw away the cars and the bars and the war
      Make sweet love to you

  31. Newton Finn September 7, 2015 at 12:33 pm #

    “Sentimentalists will have to step aside. History is not a bedtime story about bunnies and kittens.” No….history is about stories of human callousness and cruelty that keep one from sleeping.

    And this story seems about ready to be wrapped up, with the triumph of greed and ignorance in the areas of energy and the environment, and the triumph of realpolitik, if not xenophobia, in the intertwined areas of war and its inevitable displacement of innocent people.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 7, 2015 at 2:29 pm #

      Xenophobia is natural. Xenophillia is the disease killing Europe, America, and the entire West.

  32. MisterDarling September 7, 2015 at 12:58 pm #

    What an interesting message from our host this week… the crux of which was this one sentence:

    “So, the idea that the nations currently bethinking themselves “rich” can take in, shelter, and employ the masses fleeing MENA (and elsewhere) is absurd.”-J H K.

    Since it’s impossible to create a successful strategy without having an actionable understanding of the internal situation as well as the external, the Merkel’s ‘Open Arms’ policy is a load of nonsense. Clearly, someone isn’t being honest with themselves about what they have and are likely to. We’re already seeing the future, and we can’t afford it.

    As PeteAtomic opined:

    “…What these refugees are going to find out to their great chagrin however, is that the mounds of toys and sugar plums aren’t there anymore, and the only employment opportunities are as Uber drivers, or Sologig.com part-timers.”-pete.

    And that’s precisely what the disgruntled masses of banlieu-dwelling Muslims have already learned in France and the UK. This isn’t a matter of speculation. ‘The West’ is already not handling the workload, it’s stupid to pile more in.

    Additionally, the probability that there are ISIS operatives blending in with the refugee stream is HIGH. The blowback from a highly visible terrorist incident would wildly destabilize the region – to the advantage of *no-one* – but that won’t keep it from happening, effective long-term planning is in short supply these days.

    By the way, I’m not writing this because I don’t like immigrants or immigration as ‘a matter of principle’ (rational or otherwise). Nor am I writing this because I don’t have hands-on experience of the issue from source-nations forward. I’m saying this because it isn’t 20 years ago, options are not the same, times have changed.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 7, 2015 at 4:34 pm #

      Of course. We know you are a good person! “Not liking immigrants is akin to racism – the ultimate sin.

      Before one is either before or against immigration as a principle, one might ask who are the people immigrating. After all, not all immigrants are created equal. How wise the Church was to use Aristotle’s philosophy with its respect for both quantity and individuality, as opposed to Plato’s vast and spiritualized categories.

      Being “for” immigration makes no sense in and of itself from an Aristotlean point of view.

    • PeteAtomic September 7, 2015 at 4:54 pm #

      “And that’s precisely what the disgruntled masses of banlieu-dwelling Muslims have already learned in France and the UK. This isn’t a matter of speculation. ‘The West’ is already not handling the workload, it’s stupid to pile more in.’

      Yes, thank you.

      Resource finity and entropic decline are real things that happen in the real world.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 7, 2015 at 5:30 pm #

      We didn’t need them 20 years ago either. Nice try at covering your own ass, John. Or is it Dan, Bill, or Bob? But the policies your Liberal Protestant Tribe endorsed lead directly the crisis we have now. Nothing has changed objectively – you just didn’t get it until recently. You’re very late to the Party. Get to the back of the line for the cake.

      Effect is Cause revealed just as Cause is Effect concealed. You didn’t see it – we did.

  33. wpa--ccc September 7, 2015 at 1:29 pm #

    “”I am happy that Germany has become a country that many people outside of Germany now associate with hope. This is something to cherish when you look back at our history.” –Angela Merkel

    God bless Germany for opening their hearts to so many 16 to 30 year old immigrants who want to work, marry, raise children, and contribute to make Germany even greater than it is now as Europe’s shining star.

    And congratulations to Europe as a whole for developing a rational plan to accept new immigrants. Germany is taking more than 40,000 and France 30,000, with rational plans to relocate immigrants from Italy, Greece and Hungary, to other parts of Europe.

    This open borders policy is a defeat for fearful xenophobia and will only make for a more diverse Europe… a more formidable, a much stronger multicultural European union.

    I am so impressed that Germany is giving immediate citizenship so the immigrants can begin to work and contribute immediately. None of the USA’s vindictive “pathway to citizenship” which takes years and makes immigrants jump through so many hoops… all the while exploiting them for their labor and accepting their tax payments into the national treasury. We need to learn from Germany.

    Legalize the Mexican immigrants now!

    Immediate amnesty and immediate full citizenship for the 11 million in the USA, without the bullshit “pathway to citizenship requirements”!


    • capt spaulding September 7, 2015 at 1:51 pm #

      There used to be a guy who posted on here named Asoka. You sound a lot like him. Reading his posts was like eating a five pound bag of sugar at one sitting. Does that make me a cynic?

      • Janos Skorenzy September 7, 2015 at 2:34 pm #

        IS good for you. Make you sweet! The idea that sugar is bad is ridiculous. It gives you energy. It’s almost as dumb as the idea that radiation is bad. Watch Repo Man. Radiation helps us mutate and evolve so we can, as the Starseed Transmissions said, Come Home in Glory.

        Barb is making a Bday Cake for all of us. The amount of sugar is Infinite – just like the immigrants. Limitations are for losers!

        • seawolf77 September 7, 2015 at 9:52 pm #

          Sugar isn’t bad for you, it is absolutely terrible for you. The human body was designed to ingest sugar once a year; when the fruit ripened. Now we eat 150 lbs a year. It has made us obese. It has turned our blood into Ragu. Nothing feeds a cancer cell like sugar. It is everywhere. Odds are if you like a food, you don’t like the food, you like the sugar in the food. Ice cream, yogurt, ketchup, steak sauce, cookies, candy.

    • pequiste September 8, 2015 at 1:03 am #

      Great suggestions!

      Now I have outstanding suggestions for you!

      Do you own a car? Swell.

      Do you have a garage to park it in? Excellent.

      Please take your car, park in the garage with the motor running, and close the garage door.

      Put your best, most awesome music on the radio, CD or MP3.

      Sit back with some of your favorite beer, wine or spirits and perhaps have a Zanax, diazepam or two ( or seven) and relax and thoroughly enjoy the tide of positive, calming feelings.

      Let me tell you that should you do it – will be similar to the effect of the hordes overwhelming Europe and the USA.


      • pequiste September 8, 2015 at 1:21 am #

        Suggestions are intended exclusively for wpa–ccc.

  34. SunsetSu September 7, 2015 at 2:27 pm #

    Here’s an excellent Atlantic article about this problem from the mid-90s.


  35. Janos Skorenzy September 7, 2015 at 3:03 pm #


    As usual, Bishop Williamson gets it right. Political Correctness is an illicit mixture of Communism and degraded Christianity. No sane or godly person desires the destruction of his own country so he can “love” a bunch of foreign invaders. All people are not the same so they can’t be treated the same. The equal treatment of unequal people is godlessness and tyranny.

    Mr Kunstler’s take on it is good too: such people want to “appear” to love the alien. In other words, it’s more of that disease of White People known as competitive altruism. I’m better than you because I love Blacks more – even if from a distance. You don’t want your kids going to a minority majority school? You’re a racist. I don’t have that problem because I live in an exclusive suburb.

    • Gammans September 8, 2015 at 1:53 am #

      What is the Aristotlean view of the ‘alien’? Is altruism always competitive?

  36. nsa September 7, 2015 at 3:37 pm #

    Capt Spaulding,
    What makes you think asoka was a male? As you guessed, she still posts here under the moniker wpa….and has been in rare form lately.

    • capt spaulding September 7, 2015 at 8:25 pm #

      I stopped reading anything posted by or about Asoka, I must have missed the revealing of Asoka’s sex. Thanks for the clue. The leopard cannot change it’s spots. It’s time to make active use of the scroll button once again.

      • capt spaulding September 7, 2015 at 8:58 pm #

        Actually, upon reflection, I wonder why she’s so much in favor of them spreading all over. Doesn’t she realize that if they wind up over here, they’ll have her ass in a burka so fast it’ll make her head spin? From then on, it’ll be “speak when you’re spoken to.”

    • MisterDarling September 7, 2015 at 11:54 pm #

      @ nsa:

      Thanks for the tip. This is the second time I’ve heard this, and now it all starts to make sense.


  37. 99 cent nation September 7, 2015 at 3:41 pm #

    Until these business school mutant robots and their drama queen cheerleaders and their minion investors get the point there isn’t anything to do but slowly slide of the cliff. Tune into cnbc and watch the comedy hour all day long. What complete fools.

  38. forkboy01 September 7, 2015 at 4:10 pm #

    but but what about miley cyrus and her exhibitionist antics? and what about her brewing feud with nicki minaj a trois?

    i have not even gotten my neck tattoo yet.

    someone please pass the heroin. i am finished with this humanity endeavor bullshit.

  39. forkboy01 September 7, 2015 at 4:12 pm #

    addendum: jim, do you really find it necessary to have 23 ad bots and trackers on this site? seems rather fucking excessive.

  40. Janos Skorenzy September 7, 2015 at 4:29 pm #


    A few miles away in Oxford town itself, a Muslim rape ring had raped over 300 English girls over the course of a decade or so. Yet the sheep still welcome the Muzzies with cow like smiles.

  41. Buck Stud September 7, 2015 at 4:47 pm #

    I don’t know. Just last night I was hiking down a “greenbelt” trail within the city limits with all my painting gear in tow when I saw a group of young black men up ahead on the trail. I was in a semi-bad mood so I just kept walking in their direction without presenting the impression that I was going to yield in any fashion whatsoever. When I got closer I sensed that these young men were very friendly, respectable types as they clearly were making extra room for me to pass. For a moment I felt bad for perhaps presenting a conquering asshole gait so I relinquished my bad mood for the moment and asked if there was anything good around the bend in terms of a painting scene. They sort of laughed and started to lament and complain about all of the people that were out and about.

    And so I laughed too, both at their humor and the sheer irony of it all. The people they were obviously referring to were the Spanish speaking Mexicans who were obnoxiously blaring their music (don’t they respect the quietude of Nature?[and yes, I have run across many a white man firing up the snow mobile in other settings of nature]) and who have basically taken over the inner city nature preserve on the weekends. No longer can one have a quiet meditative moment close to the stream without hearing the sound of unattended Mexican children screeching and hollering to the backdrop of distant Tejano music blaring.They then told me the weekday mornings were the best time to enjoy the place quietly and peacefully and I concurred.

    Before we parted ways, I asked where they were from because they had an accent and they said Africa. All in all, very nice and lacking that distinctive chip on the shoulder that so many African- Americans wear as a result of living in, well, America. The only thing that raised a question in my mind as to their character was their teeth which looked meth head bad. But I suppose had better get used to that going forward and into the approaching days of the collapse.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 7, 2015 at 5:33 pm #

      Is this more of your fiction? No? Ok then they were hunting – White females.

      • Buck Stud September 7, 2015 at 10:44 pm #

        ” No? Ok then they were hunting – White females.”–Janos

        Seriously? What a fatuous, racist comment. Shame on you.

        • Janos Skorenzy September 8, 2015 at 12:12 am #

          Still stuck in Liberal indignation I see. Experience is a dear school, but a fool will have no other.

          • Gammans September 8, 2015 at 1:57 am #

            I live amongst 382000 Mulims and have not been raped yet in twenty years. My daughter was raped by a white man. Who should I be scared of?

          • Janos Skorenzy September 8, 2015 at 5:12 am #

            No matter how many times heads comes up, the odds on the next throw are always 50/50. Likewise, thanks to Muslims, Copenhagen has a level of rape equivalent to New York City.

  42. Ulpian September 7, 2015 at 6:13 pm #

    It’s overpopulation. I’ve been to the Middle East, a lot.. Countries like Jordan survive on subsidies from rich Gulf states and everywhere there are small children and young adults. The West is moribund, and in fact failing to manage it’s own social problems, mostly because of a culture of indulgence and the faith in an endless cornucopia of everything which is supposed to increase exponentially. Most people seem to be zomboid fun-seekers with no cares for tomorrow. They are breeding like rabbits too.

    For what I believe is a fair comparison read deeply the history of the Roman Empire in the fourth and fifth centuries. The parallels are astonishing. And the Roman Empire, which was taken totally for granted as a timeless entity, went down completely in a hundred years, certainly in Western Europe. Under the weight of economic migrants. The Roman rich were wealthier than ever and indulged in petty politicking while the state failed. They lost everything.

  43. BackRowHeckler September 7, 2015 at 6:24 pm #

    what the hell is this?

    Migrants are arriving in Munich with fully charged I phones, and wearing expensive watches. Some won’t accept any gratuities from the Red Cross, unless the actual red cross is blotted out. Others won’t eat foof offered, demand Halal food.

    Photo of a t shirt on a young Arab “Fear for your Wife”.

    another young arab filmed making a gesture like he was severing a head.

    and this is just Day 0.

    Trouble is brewing. This ain’t gonna end well.


    • FincaInTheMountains September 7, 2015 at 6:52 pm #

      Welcome to modern warfare

    • malthuss September 7, 2015 at 9:58 pm #

      Invaders, infiltrators, conquerors. Not refugees.

      Parasites or worse. See Janos link to ‘rape king.’

  44. FincaInTheMountains September 7, 2015 at 6:50 pm #

    09.07.2015 There was a powerful explosion in a chemical factory in China

    Strong explosion occurred at a chemical plant in the urban district of Lishui of Zhejiang Province, Chinese media reported. Above the scene of the accident rose a column of black smoke. Information about the victims have not yet received, but preliminary estimates – over 200 potential victims.

    Yes, September is definitely going to be hot.

  45. FincaInTheMountains September 7, 2015 at 7:06 pm #

    Why are Americans so desperate? Is dollar going to croak soon? Is that it?

  46. wpa--ccc September 7, 2015 at 7:12 pm #

    “Yes, September is definitely going to be hot.” –Finca

    Finca, it is much worse than you can imagine. The world is definitely coming to an end. Here is proof: The Chinese national bureau of statistics said on Monday that it had revised China’s growth rate for 2014 to 7.3% from the previously released figure of 7.4%

    The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

    Meanwhile, back in the real world, China’s power usage, rail freight, as well as real estate prices and turnover have all improved into August, indicating the economy is stabilizing. China’s total power consumption in August rose 2.47% on the year – the fastest growth so far this year and steady growth was likely to continue in September.

    The “crash” of China’s economy, touted by experts like Therian, has been much exaggerated.

    • seawolf77 September 7, 2015 at 9:49 pm #

      Speculators on the ground would beg to differ. That is why they are needed. They can see through government fudged stats. Who figured out Enron was going to crack? Speculators. Who figured out the pound was overvalued? Speculators. People like you believe unemployment is 5.2%. It ain’t.

    • Bird Dog September 8, 2015 at 7:08 am #

      If you believe those fantasy Chinese stats, it’s no surprise that you believe in the ‘tribe’ called ‘Humanity’……

  47. FincaInTheMountains September 7, 2015 at 7:29 pm #

    Are the presidents of Russia and China going to New York to close the UN?

    Will they refuse to recognize the organization, which is based in New York or offer to move it to another location due to the US refusal to fulfill its obligations of the Host Nation of the United Nations (visa Matvienko and lowering the status of Xi Jinping’s visit), the UN immediately from the organization that provided the post war peace, will be transformed into the appendix of the State Department.

    When I say the post-war world, I mean the world after the defeat of Nazi Germany and Japan, and the West has been trying to replace this world with the world after the Cold War, forgetting that its victory in the Cold War is the self-proclaimed and no one signed any act of surrender.

    President Roosevelt at Yalta proposed to place the United Nations in New York, and the refusal to recognize the Yalta world itself means failure of the United States to comply with its obligations as a UN hosting country.

    • beantownbill. September 8, 2015 at 9:53 am #

      Good riddance to the UN.

  48. nsa September 7, 2015 at 10:17 pm #

    Islam is a sick, violent, perverted cult by any standard….even sicker than christianity and judaism….and that’s plenty sick. Fourteen centuries ago, the euros repelled a flat out invasion that got as far as spain and the balkans. Times have changed…..now the euros welcome another muslim invasion and offer up their wealth and their daughters as bounty. Can white people possibly be this stupid and cowardly?

    • Buck Stud September 7, 2015 at 10:46 pm #

      Should we call it “Neo-Islam” or has it always been this bad? (Prepare yourself for another Asoka lecture on Islam and mathematics.)

      • Janos Skorenzy September 7, 2015 at 11:42 pm #

        The kindness that Mehmed had shown to the Emperor’s surviving ministers was of short duration…. Five days after the fall of the City [3 June] he gave a banquet. In the course of it, when he was well flushed with wine, someone whispered to him that Loukas Notaras’s fourteen-year-old son was a boy of exceptional beauty. The Sultan at once sent a eunuch to the house of the [Megas Doux] to demand that the boy be sent to him for his pleasure. Notaras, whose elder sons had been killed fighting, refused to sacrifice the boy to such a fate. Police were then sent to bring Notaras with his son and his young son-in-law, the son of the Grand Domestic Andronicus Cantacuzenus, into the Sultan’s presence. When Notaras still defied the Sultan, orders were given for him and the two boys to be decapitated on the spot. Notaras merely asked that they should be slain before him, lest the sight of his death should make them waver. When they had both perished he bared his neck to the executioner. The following day nine other Greek notables were arrested and sent to the scaffold.

        – Steven Runciman, The Fall of Constantinople (1965). Quoting Michael Doukas (ca. 1460).

        Remember Buck, they’re not just coming for our girls, but also our boys. Before we reach this stage, boys will be subjected to harassment, gang beatings, and of course watching White girls choosing the conquerors over them. Already happening in Europe.

    • Bird Dog September 8, 2015 at 4:25 am #

      Yes they can: astonishing that the descendants of Crusaders can stand and meekly applaud their eventual usurpers, who – cocky and arrogant, with IS cash in their pockets – demand ‘their rights.’

  49. StillFarmin September 7, 2015 at 10:28 pm #

    Bwah! Rflol-ing …

    All you “native” Americans be sure to mention what tribe you are.

    (And then be sure to mention how much you appreciate competition, market-based solutions, and keeping government out of your lives.)

    Sheer comedy, I tell ya.

  50. wpa--ccc September 7, 2015 at 11:18 pm #

    “Why are Americans so desperate? Is dollar going to croak soon? Is that it?” –Finca

    Finca, the dollar is strong and that is a good thing for a lot of reasons. What central bank wants to hold a currency that is quickly dwindling in value? The fact that the dollar is strong makes it worth holding. That is actually more important than many people realize. Since the end of World War II, the greenback has been the bedrock of the world financial system. This allows the U.S. government to borrow at lower interest rates than it would otherwise be able to, because the dollar and dollar-denominated Treasury securities are a big portion of holdings by foreign countries.

    • FincaInTheMountains September 8, 2015 at 12:47 pm #

      Judging by the rate of Chinese dumping US Treasuries, not for very long.

  51. BackRowHeckler September 7, 2015 at 11:20 pm #

    few weeks ago ISIS declared it intention to ‘burn down Rome’. Now they might have the manpower in place to do just that. In Sweden the rape of young blond Swedish girls by black African immigrants is something that just isn’t discussed in polite company, as a matter of fact it might be illegal to discuss it. Who’s going to protect young German girls? The German men i see handing out soft drinks and sandwiches to young buck Arab refugees with t shirts that read “fear for your Wife”? Already German women are being warned not to dress too provocatively lest they tempt young Arabs and Africans. These locusts will devour these European countries like Biblical Wheat, wait and see.

    What they need, these locusts, is a slogan, a really catchy slogan that can be repeated on all the networks. In ‘Camp of Saints’, it was “The thousand tears have ended, we’re all from the Ganges now!”, as they swarmed over France. “Give us your daughters, you Christian dogs, we’re all from Damascus now!” how’s that. Mustafa? if you’re looking in on that new I phone, on your free transcontinental train ride, you’re free to use it.


  52. Gammans September 7, 2015 at 11:30 pm #

    Well, hoping for some insight from Jim and his commenters I just found a whole lot of grouchiness. I’m keeping my bleeding heart and my flimsy borders, but I thought you might all like a laugh


    • Janos Skorenzy September 8, 2015 at 12:01 am #

      A Mega Douche.

      • Gammans September 8, 2015 at 1:26 am #

        My poor bleeding heart is skewered.

        • Janos Skorenzy September 8, 2015 at 2:19 am #

          Sish Kebabed next.

  53. wpa--ccc September 7, 2015 at 11:39 pm #

    “Islam is a sick, violent, perverted cult by any standard” –nsa

    Do you have any Muslim friends? Are you speaking of all Islam, all 1.6 Billion Muslims? Do you even know enough to distinguish between Shafi, Hanbali, Hanafi, Twelvers, Qurantists, and Sufis?

    Your generalization about Islam is shallow and ignorant. You say “by any standard”…. what is YOUR standard? What were Christian women doing to further civilization in the Middle Ages when Islamic women were founding universities?

    “Two Muslim women, Fatima and Miriam al-Firhi, created the world’s first university, Al-Qarawiyyin in Fez, Morocco, in 859 AD. For several years, students were schooled here in a plethora of secular and religious subjects. At the end of their education, teachers evaluated students and awarded degrees based on satisfactory performances. The concept of awarding degrees would spread from Fez to Andalucía, Spain, and later to the Universities of Bologna in Italy and Oxford in England, among other places of learning.

    Spanish Muslims of Andalucía were especially strong advocates of education and helped to dispel the gloom that had enveloped Europe during the Dark Ages. Between the 8th and 15th centuries, Andalucía was perhaps the world’s epicenter for education and knowledge. Spanish universities such as those in Cordoba, Granada, and Seville, had Christian and Jewish students who learned science from Muslims. Women were also encouraged to study in Muslim Spain. This educational environment that stressed tolerance would not reach the “Western world” until the 19th and 20th centuries.”

    Overcoming Historical Amnesia: Muslim Contributions to Civilization

    Ye shall know them by their fruits, Jesus said. Islam, as a whole, is not a sick, violent, perverted cult.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 7, 2015 at 11:59 pm #

      Nice ending. You’ve given yourself away. You know very well that Islam is exactly a sick, violent, perverted cult – as a whole.

      The Elite always tell us what they’re doing or going to do. Apparently this is some kind of Cosmic Law, this being the very last remnants of the natural law in their hearts. Of course, being twisted, they do it in a hidden or highly symbol way so it can only be recognized by the very few. WPA has just done this.

    • Bird Dog September 8, 2015 at 4:17 am #

      Well, all well and good, ‘universities, the arts, science, female students’ etc, but that is just another kind of selective history, or amnesia if you will. The ‘truth about Islam you didn’t know’ is not that, merely another fairy tale.

      What became of that wonderful culture? It collapsed, after a couple of centuries at most, the peak was very brief.

      And into what?

      Islamic primitivism and fundamentalism, with no universities, arts or sciences (although the Moroccans did hang on to the ability to make rather nice, ir somewhat repetitive, mosaics, and didn’t forget how to play their lutes and bang drums in an engaging manner, if you are listening while high on opium).

      Medicine was reduced to cauterising with hot pokers and spells written on charms…..

      As Ibn Khaldun wrote in his review of world history in the 14th century: ‘All they can do now in those regions is recite the Koran and the hadith: sciences and philosophy are dead.’

      The cause of much of this? Waves of ever more fanatical Muslims from North Africa, and the triumph of the mullahs who preferred a dumb, but pious, populace. Same as today: see Iran.

      And, by the way, while they were having such a refined time in Cordoba and Seville, their armies were hunting slaves in Christian France and the Pyrenees, looting and laying waste, and they very much liked to bring heads back to decorate the walls of the said cities (Xmas decorations being unknown). They called it ‘punishing the barbarians.’ For what? Not wanting, understanably, to be slaves in the Islamic Wonderland.

      Look up the history of the appalling treatment of white Christian (and pagan)slaves in North Africa, until the 19th century, and take a good hard look at he realities of Islamic ‘civilisation’ everywhere it is to be found. The ‘sins’ of the West do not change this one bit.

      Moroever, there was anything noble about Andalusia, or the rest of the Caliphate, it more properly reflected the Iranian element in the Islamic Empire (they liked the Persians and even Jews to run things for them, do the architecture, music, maths and medicine, even design their clothes, being far too busy fighting, or, preferably, whoring and eating and murdering one another in true Arab style.)

      Europe is committing suicide letting these people in without regulation and assimilation. Our host is spot on.

  54. polly September 7, 2015 at 11:51 pm #


    The West is Insane. How can you have a fence and guards to keep people out but then state that if you make it in, you are good to go? Is it like some kind of test designed to reward desire and stamina? Maybe they should just build a Hunger Games obstacle course, at least you would generate some offsetting TV revenue for the broadcast rights.

    How are liberal views consistent with the idea of a border?

    • Janos Skorenzy September 8, 2015 at 12:06 am #

      Exactly. Those who make it over need to be imprisoned. And if that gets to be too much, the reward has to become a bullet. As the Koran says, kill a few and terrify thousands. Europe must be defended by any means necessary. Ditto America and the rest of the West.

    • Gammans September 8, 2015 at 2:02 am #

      Well here in Oz, the Liberal party repels all invaders and locks up in remore locations those who made it through. I think the next move is to kill them all – but to keep it secret so compassionate idiots don’t get upset.

      • Janos Skorenzy September 8, 2015 at 5:08 am #

        Yes, no thanks to you lot – some of the most crazy, self destructive Liberals in the world. But Australia and New Zealand are slated to be refugees for the Elite in the troubles to come – so moderation is the order of the day.

  55. pequiste September 8, 2015 at 1:17 am #

    Is this the watershed event for the implementation of the Hegelian Dialectic to usher in the Fourth Reich?

    • Janos Skorenzy September 8, 2015 at 1:34 am #

      Yes, hopefully. We are the last chance. Liberalism and “Conservatism” (still Liberalism in the older J.S Mill sense) has failed in spectacular fashion. But remember, each nation has its own Fascism. American National Socialism will be less centralized and more Capitalist than German National Socialism – thus is our character, history, resources, situation, etc.

  56. BackRowHeckler September 8, 2015 at 3:42 am #

    Its year 0

    The Day of the Locust is at hand

    — brh

  57. FincaInTheMountains September 8, 2015 at 6:14 am #

    Dmitriy Sedov: Is Angela Merkel under hypnosis?

    No matter how the modern “Great Migration” is being interpreted in the press, there is growing number of judgments that Anglo-Saxons not only gave birth to this wave, but also control its intensity in their own interests, bearing in mind first to “over-crowd” Germany.

    To drive Germany into crisis, weaken it and deprive from the leading position in Europe – is not that the problem should be solved by constantly arriving refugees? After all, the potential of a sovereign policy in Germany is tremendous and with the advent of the new chancellor could be realized. The Anglo-Saxons did not forget that Gerhard Schroeder protested against the war in Iraq. And they understand that Angela Merkel may be on her last term. They desire weak Germany during the change of leader.

    There were interesting studies showing the nature of the use of network resources, creating among refugees an impression of Germany as a country of paradise, in which they are being welcomed.
    The blogosphere is full of laudatory comments about the reception of refugees in Germany. According to the “hospitality” it gets first place (76.8%), followed by Austria – 12.4%, and followed by UK with 4.6%. However, if you look at who creates such a picture, it becomes clear that the laudatory responses coming from Germany … only in 5.4% of cases. A majority of responses are coming from true friends of Germany – 11.6% from the US and 10.2% from Britain.

    Berlin does not want to talk about the close relationship of cause and effect of the crisis and the fact that they are forced to pay on other people’s accounts. Not the Germans started the war in Afghanistan; they did not invade Iraq, nor did they armed Syrian opposition. However, they are silenced that those responsible should pay!

    Germans are put in a position of scapegoats because of the helpfulness of Angela Merkel, who, as if hypnotized, hands over the interests of her own country. It will only get worse. Or the behavior of Merkel is the secret that the world should never know?

  58. FincaInTheMountains September 8, 2015 at 6:48 am #

    We have a situation in which with high probability ISIS and other opposition groups in Syria expect some serious trouble in the near future. And increased Russian activity in this area, as well as rumors of a direct involvement of Russian advisers in the destruction of ISIS militants, is in favor of this version.

    Add to this the recent successes of pro-government forces in Iraq against ISIS and we get quite a plausible picture. Namely, we are dealing with an organized exodus of Caliphate fighting forces from Syria and Iraq to Europe in the face of imminent defeat. This explains, among other things, the fact that the last strong wave of refugees into Europe is dominated by men of “military age”.

  59. forkboy01 September 8, 2015 at 7:44 am #

    jim, has the notion of net zero immigration from mexico for the past seven or eight years been completely lost on you? or would that undermine your hatred of immigrant screed?

    you have some good ideas that you present eloquently but you do come off as a bitter old man clinging to outdated modes of nationalism simultaneously.

    you’re pretty cool but not nearly as cool as you fancy yourself.

  60. orbit7er September 8, 2015 at 9:25 am #

    I had discussions some years ago with a Peak Oil friend about the likelihood that US population would grow as much as the experts predicted given the decline in the birth rate and parents waiting until they were older to have kids. My argument was that immigration would make up the difference so the US population would grow. But I find it rather frightening the prejudices and short-sighted thinking arising from the deliberate destruction of people’s livelihoods by globalism and neoliberalism capitalism and endless Wars run amuck.
    We are all human beings sharing this planet together but the US in particular has been consuming 25% of the world’s resources for 6% of the world’s population for decades. Consuming is putting it gently when wasting is a better term for wasting $1 Trillion per year on endless Wars like those in the Middle East or arms giveaways to dictators like the military in Egypt. Of course along with the huge waste of US auto addiction, leaf blowers, the flotillas of “landscaping” trucks pulling trailers full of riding lawn mowers for immigrants to cut pretty but useless suburban lawns. Which has replaced the local teen-ager walking around with a lawn mower.
    As Kunstler does point out, the US and NATO have a direct hand in destroying Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Syria etc by supporting either overt or covert wars. How has this expenditure of trillions for endless Wars benefited anyone but the Boeings, Lockheeds and the merchants of death peddling their weapons of destruction to all sides with our tax dollars? Imagine if instead of giving the Egyptian military $3 Billion a year in weapons for years since the Camp David Accords, the US had provided solar arrays in the desert, desalinization, Green Transit instead of the Auto addicted beltway built around Cairo?
    Closer to home, we have to remember it was NAFTA which allowed subsidized Midwest American Corporate industrial agriculture based on oil to swamp Mexico’s peasants and small farmers with cheap subsidized industrial food. Thus forcing them off the land and into the maquiladoras for a few years until those were moved to cheaper production in China. So now what do poor peasants do but come to the rich giant neighbor to the North in any way that they can. The irony of course is that in the name of “free market capitalism” Agribusiness, like the Military Industrial complex, gets hundreds of billions from our tax dollars for destroying smaller more sustainable agriculture in Mexico. The whole world is tied together and we can either help people to survive better where they live or continue the neoliberal plutocratic project of one world for the billionaires while we all go down the tubes.

    • BeerBarrel September 11, 2015 at 11:07 am #

      As I read your post, I looked out the window to my green lawn of about an acre, thinking of all the wasted un-metered water I pour onto it so that it grows at a rate that requires me to fill to the brim the recycling bin each week and think about how else I could use my sprinkler infrastructure …

      Then I sigh. And realize I’m going to mow it again, soon.

  61. Frankiti September 8, 2015 at 10:20 am #

    “We’re in population overshoot and a scramble is underway to bail on the places that just can’t support the people who live there. National boundaries will be defended. Sentimentalists will have to step aside.”

    The Earth as a sustainable ecosystem cannot support the humanity everywhere, or at least not at the QOL levels that we in the west have become accustomed to. Some (yet another) imbecile above posted about the Earth’s ability to sustain even more people if only we lose sentimentality when it comes to borders, states, cultures, and histories… you know, all the things that make the miserable human condition barely worth bearing. If only people would live in canvas tent cities and eat soylent green… well, we’d all be alive but not living. We live on a planet where life feeds life, where death feeds life. There is no way around it. Pretend otherwise all you like, but the harsh medicine is the reality of existence on this rock that people prefer to disbelieve; it’s dog eat dog. We ignore the reality that human populations in certain regions of the world need the die-off that nature has been trying to lend us. But no. We send money, and food relief, and donate to charities and proselytizing missions, and vaccine funds, and ebola nurses, and famine and natural disaster relief, we give money to unsustainable and irresponsible and broken family planning, we reward poor choices, we sustain the unsustainable. And, when populations in a region or state reach a balance where they can take of those within that need help; the infirm, the invalid, well the global financial system says they need growth and more people to buy stuff and they should take in those from places that have runaway population problems. Nature wants balance, and greedy people want more ($, stuff, etc.) There was a study published last week how apex predators like the lion keep their population in check so as not to disrupt the delicate balance of the very system that keeps them alive… we should be learning from them rather than shooting them, but that presupposes a belief that humans are worth granting endless second chances… so many upright apes and so few lions…

    • sauerkraut September 8, 2015 at 1:12 pm #

      “Some (yet another) imbecile above posted about the Earth’s ability to sustain even more people”

      Seem to have missed that one, Frank. Where did you find it?

    • MisterDarling September 8, 2015 at 1:46 pm #

      Frankiti & Co.,

      “There was a study published last week how apex predators like the lion keep their population in check so as not to disrupt the delicate balance of the very system that keeps them alive… we should be learning from them rather than shooting them, but that presupposes a belief that humans are worth granting endless second chances… so many upright apes and so few lions…”f.

      Long ago it bothered me that “apex predators” (our sociopathic power elite) seemed to have nothing regulating their numbers in check. It really didn’t make sense: after all, why hadn’t the rest of us been edited from the gene-pool? Then it occurred to me that THEY were the ones keeping their numbers in check. Generally speaking – when given enough rope – they will hang themselves.

      Regarding the “upright apes”: Black Swan Events have their numbers *well* in hand. Mr. Taleb had it exactly right – their mental myopia is hard-wired.

  62. progress4what September 8, 2015 at 11:18 am #

    “jim, has the notion of net zero immigration from mexico for the past seven or eight years been completely lost on you?” – forkboy –

    So, you’re saying that government statistics indicate this? So?

    Stick in a fork, boy – your logic is overcooked and burned since illegal immigration from Nicaragua, El Salvador, and Honduras continues at very high rates, across the Mexican border.

    And the US population continues to grow at 3,000,000 souls per year – due mostly to LEGAL immigrants and the children of LEGAL immigrants. This won’t go on forever. It has probably gone on for too long, already.

    And I’ve never seen JHK express “hate” toward immigrants. That’s a ridiculous and divisive thing to state about the host of this website.

  63. DennyO September 8, 2015 at 12:16 pm #

    Everybody is painting Viktor Orban of Hungary as a racist villain, almost a new Hitler, but I see his logic in establishing barriers to the migrants from the middle east and Africa. Like it or not, Europe cannot absorb all the present day displaced people. Especially the eastern part of Europe which has not enjoyed the prosperity of the western part. Today Turkey has 1.9 million migrants itself, Jordan and Lebanon have hundreds of thousands more. And, day by day, as the safety and economies of much of Africa devolve its only going to get worse.

    The E.U. should actually be doing all it can right now to support Orban and to shore up the defenses, not lowering the drawbridge. Because its hard to raise the drawbridge when its fully occupied by a mob.

    And, just where are the “super Muslim” countries of Saudi Arabia and the U.A.E. in all this? Well, they are accepting none, the charitable exhortations of the Koran notwithstanding.

    • MisterDarling September 8, 2015 at 1:52 pm #

      @ DennyO & Co.,

      Fully agree with the above. Orban is doing precisely what any non-puppet has to do in the face of a clear and present danger to the nation-state they represent. He’s just being responsible.

      And thanks for pointing out the stark contrast between the EU’s response and Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE, etc.

  64. FincaInTheMountains September 8, 2015 at 12:30 pm #

    Some known terrorists are identified among the refugees to Europe

    Austrian Foreign Minister Kurtz at a meeting of EU foreign ministers in Luxembourg gave a warning from Foreign Minister of Macedonia Nikola Poposki that Macedonian security services several times identified known terrorists among the refugees. It is reported by the Serbian newspaper “Kurir”.

    • MisterDarling September 8, 2015 at 1:56 pm #

      @ FitM:

      re | “Macedonian security services several times identified known terrorists among the refugees. It is reported by the Serbian newspaper “Kurir”.-f.

      Well spotted… 😉

  65. FincaInTheMountains September 8, 2015 at 12:36 pm #

    The University of Wisconsin issued manuals, with examples of the typology of the statements for which you risk to be sued. And the risk is real. Examples:

    (Theme) Alien in own land: When Asian Americans and Latino Americans are assumed to be foreign-born

    (Microaggression) “Where are you from?” “Where were you born?” “You speak good English.” A person asking an Asian American to teach them words in their native language

    (Message) You are not American You are a foreigner


    • merf56 September 8, 2015 at 2:36 pm #

      I don’t see a problem with making people aware of how insulting or hurtful certain comments could be to others.
      It seems you have a very large chip on your shoulder regarding the basic tenets of tact, decorum and sheer thoughtfulness towards others. Maybe you would be happier and feel less threatened if you had that chip removed……?

      • Janos Skorenzy September 8, 2015 at 3:05 pm #

        The level of “good manners” you are advocating is seen as submission by minorities – and correctly so. Suffice to say that it will not be reciprocated. Ditto the Gays. Tolerate Gays qua Gays and they will attain dominance and begin the persecution of their erstwhile benefactors.

        Read Edmund Burke. Our prejudices are as a piece with our virtues. You are a change agent. You are simply advocating a whole new set of values, morals, and prejudices. You are to be resisted as one would a virus.

  66. FincaInTheMountains September 8, 2015 at 1:19 pm #

    Iraqi media reported that ISIS militants in fear leave their positions due to the fact that Russian “burn-out” units from which there is no salvation keep working on them. (Russians affectionately call them Pinocchio).

    In addition, beginning in August, Turkish media reported an increase in Russian vessels off the coast of Syria. At the moment, Turkish sources say that Russian troops are fighting on the side of the Syria.

    Time for the remainder of bearded jihadists pack up and take some European R&R quality time. New Sheriff is in town.

  67. wpa--ccc September 8, 2015 at 1:34 pm #

    “There goes Europe”?

    No, look at the recent history of Germany. How did Germany become the strongest economy in Europe? By accepting refugees and incorporating illegal immigrants, that is how.

    From 1986 to 1989, about 380,000 refugees sought asylum, mostly from Iran and Lebanon. Between 1990 and 1992 nearly 900,000 people from former Yugoslavia, Romania, or Turkey sought asylum in a united Germany. In 1992, 438,000 applied, and Germany admitted almost 70 percent of all asylum seekers registered in the European Community. As of 2014, about 16.3 million people with an immigrant background were living in Germany, accounting for every fifth person. Of those 16.3 million, 8.2 million had no German citizenship.

    Refugees and illegal immigrants have made Germany strong, the strongest in Europe. Countries that “beef up the borders” against illegal immigration and do not accept refugees are not as strong as Germany.

    When it comes to illegal immigrants and refugees, welcoming is a smarter strategy than scapegoating and deporting.

    • merf56 September 8, 2015 at 2:31 pm #

      Only up to certain point. This tide of desperate humanity flooding into Europe is going to rapidly overwhelm job markets, social services and local communities.

      • wpa--ccc September 8, 2015 at 3:58 pm #

        Same thing was said in 1900, in 1920, in 1950, in 1980… there are always scare-mongerers who think the newest wave of immigrants will destroy the very fabric of the nation. It doesn’t work that way, as the 19th and 20th century experience of immigration has demonstrated. Germany got stronger… and will become even stronger.

        When you have limited national resources, it is more intelligent to have an “open door” policy instead of wasting resources on a “high fences” policy which only drains the national budget and contributes nothing to the well-being of the country’s residents.

  68. Janos Skorenzy September 8, 2015 at 1:44 pm #

    Rush: The Oil States are richer, less populated, closer, and MUSLIM – yet they are taking none of the refugees. The so called refugees are leaving from places like Turkey, Jordan, and Lebanon – also Muslim and also at peace. The conclusion? They are not refugees but invaders. That most of them are young men just confirms this. They are hell bent on getting to rich Northern Europe, specifically Germany or Sweden. They are either aiming at a life of luxury or something more sinister.

    The Solution? Deny them entry. If necessary, shoot them (my idea).

    • FincaInTheMountains September 8, 2015 at 2:06 pm #

      Cool it, Janos. Someone pushed a wrong remote control button at the State Department.

      • Janos Skorenzy September 8, 2015 at 2:59 pm #

        Once I am vaporized, I will become one with all space. When you look at the blue sky, you will see my eyes. The clouds will be me dancing on aire. When you breathe, I will be the spirit that lightens your heart and enlightens your mind.

  69. merf56 September 8, 2015 at 2:28 pm #

    I agree with the general view of things that JHK airs in this blog. There are a few areas I disagree of course and some I so strongly support that I give a fist pump when I read a post.
    With this post I agree in the most part though I do think tone counts when discussing the lives and loss of life of real people.
    What prompted me to make this comment is the comment section posts. Most of you ought to be ashamed of yourselves for posting such hateful things.
    I would bet almost none of you have ever be forced from your homes due to wars or terror and to speak of these people as yesterday’s trash with no thought to the day you may be in that position is flatout disgusting.
    Yes I think they should NOT be admitted to the U.S. or Europe in large measure but that is not because I loathe them as you all seem to.
    I think we should give them food and medicine and other supplies to last them several weeks, and a safe transport back to their countries of origin and keep doing that until they stop coming.
    Perhaps then they will rally to try to organize to take back their nations and regions from the American overloads and their toadies, as well as the terrorists running wild there.
    I think right now the Islamic religion is a dangerous and devisive one for western culture and we have enough problems of our own with wacko Christianity and their nonsense. We also have enough problems economically. That does not mean you get to portray these desperate people as not worth living.
    And to counter a theme in comments. You are wrong. Hispanics DO assimilate and learn the English language. Just like the many who came here far earlier in our history. It takes a full generation to do so just like it always did. Living in Phoenix I see this everyday with the older and middle aged never quite picking up fluency but their children are like sponges going back and forth between languages with a speed I am in awe of. Just like the German immigrant children, and the Italian and so on down the line.
    You should all crawl back in your xenophobic hate filled holes if all you want to do is demonize everyone but yourselves.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 8, 2015 at 2:48 pm #

      a=a, a+b=b+a, parallel lines never meet, f=ma, a triangle is a three sided figure who angles add up to 180 degrees, a welfare state cannot have open borders, xenophobia is normal but xenophillia is not, the traitor is the lowest of the low – beneath the murderer, rapist, or usurer, etc

  70. capt spaulding September 8, 2015 at 3:05 pm #

    Nice sentiments, but all wrong. You should prove your statements by driving through one of the barrios in San Bernadino. If you are an Anglo female, you will come out freshly raped and dead. I dare you. I lived out there forty years ago, and it wasn’t safe to go there even then, and I sincerely doubt that things have changed for the better since then. The problem is that people like you haven’t actually been involved in these situations, and your thinking is based on the way you think the world should be, not what the reality is. It’s nice to sit in your ivory tower and make pronouncements about what should be, and take the easy way out. It’s great to be the nice guy and predict how wonderful things would be if we were just more accommodating. I didn’t start out as a cynic, however the reality of the world dictates the truth, and it’s not pleasant. I could say a lot more, but this is enough of a rant. Continue on your path and good luck to you.

    • capt spaulding September 8, 2015 at 3:18 pm #

      Sorry, this diatribe was aimed at wpa-ccc. This will be my last communication with her.

      • wpa--ccc September 8, 2015 at 3:34 pm #

        “Continue on your path and good luck to you.” –Capt. Spaulding

        You have no idea what it is to survive as a woman in a world of machismo. Thanks for taking the time to share your experience of the San Bernadino 40 years ago. Good luck to you.

        • elysianfield September 9, 2015 at 11:52 am #

          Please. 1/2 of the World’s population share your tribulations…and your sisters have “suffered” throughout thousands of years of history. You might do well to come to terms with “machismo”, and your place in the equation that is human nature…you will not change it, so understand the reality of your gender, and cast away your victimhood.

  71. basil September 8, 2015 at 3:29 pm #

    this week’s article has brought out the know-it-alls in full force. everyone seems to express their own little utopian vision of how humanity can overcome the latest potential disaster. the fact is, humanity is a meaningless evolutionary mistake that is probably even now in the process of correcting itself. all the high minded blather is just more narcissistic nonsense.

    • wpa--ccc September 8, 2015 at 3:51 pm #

      “humanity is a meaningless evolutionary mistake”


      And the other species have “meaning”? The planet itself has “meaning”?

      Humans impute meaning. With you (humanity) it would be impossible to qualify humanity as a “meaningless evolutionary mistake.” Do you see what you just did there?

      • wpa--ccc September 8, 2015 at 3:53 pm #

        ^Without you (humanity)^

      • lsjogren September 8, 2015 at 8:53 pm #

        If someone believes in God then they could claim earth in the absence of humans has meaning as a novelty item for God’s amusement. In the absence of conscious being(s) I agree that the concept of “meaning” is dubious.

  72. rapier September 8, 2015 at 4:20 pm #

    In all likelihood more Mexican and Central Americans have left the US than have entered since 08. At any rate all the obsession about illegal entrants into the US is mostly about fodder for politicians and their fans in the form of entertainment we call politics.

    The US ace in the hole in this whole thing is those oceans separating us from the rest of the world. The same oceans that have made the trillions upon trillions spent in ‘defending’ America superfluous but that’s another issue.

    We can debate if US policy has as a goal chaos in the ROW but intent or not it is what is going to keep America #1 on a relative basis for a long time. In that vein it is going to be the go to place for the money or bank deposits or other assets for the worlds 1%. Which means the very last place where financial dislocation is going to occur. While politicians and their fans panic about the undesirables coming here there is not the slightest worry much less attempt to hide the fact that if you’ve got assets in the 9+ figures your welcome and safe here and being white, Christian or even a monster has zero to do with it.

    • lsjogren September 8, 2015 at 8:56 pm #

      Relying on oceans to buffer us from the onslaught of a flood of eastern hemisphere refugees in an age of modern transportation strikes me as thin soup.

      • lsjogren September 8, 2015 at 8:58 pm #

        Plus, the US will be anything but immune from the effects of the collapse of the other major portion of the developed world, western Europe.

        • rapier September 8, 2015 at 9:40 pm #

          Note I said on a relative basis.

      • rapier September 8, 2015 at 9:37 pm #

        Desperate migrants and refugees do not board airplanes, sans passports and visas, for the US. So it’s the thin soup of the Pacific Ocean which is the barrier. What it lacks in viscosity is made up for in depth and breadth.

    • malthuss September 9, 2015 at 1:46 am #

      Latinos breed.

      • rapier September 9, 2015 at 5:06 am #


        JHK, you have a problem

        • malthuss September 9, 2015 at 2:14 pm #

          You are a troll.

  73. S M Tenneshaw September 8, 2015 at 7:19 pm #

    This was all foretold decades ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZEIMQ42-oU

  74. progress4what September 8, 2015 at 7:37 pm #

    “In all likelihood more Mexican and Central Americans have left the US than have entered since 08.” – rapier –

    Umm, rapier – opening your post with an apparent falsehood like this may not be the wittiest thing one could do.

  75. Dumbedup September 8, 2015 at 8:22 pm #

    Why is it that our leadership, and the leadership of Europe, can’t articulate a plan for the crises that seem to burst on the scene almost weekly now? We used to talk about these things but now all we do is argue our points without any hint of compromise.

    We cannot, if we aspire to be a moral people, let human suffering occur without at least attempting to find a solution. Even if it is just to house, feed and clothe these people until the situation in their home settles down. And there are solutions to consider. None of them perfect by any means, but we can ease the hurt and suffering of others. The problem seems to be that to do so means we might have to do without. I thought that is what it means to be a part of the human family and to Christian. Other than Pope Francis I where are the voices of compassion?

    We have become a mad, power hungry generation of sociopaths and we have forgotten what it is like to be homeless and in despair.

    • progress4what September 8, 2015 at 9:00 pm #

      “Even if it is just to house, feed and clothe these people until the situation in their home settles down.” – du –

      Then what? You imply the situation will settle down and “these people” will go back home. They will not, in the main.

      “I thought that is what it means to be a part of the human family and to Christian. Other than Pope Francis I….” – du –

      One thing that has been legislated and litigated EMPHATICALLY OUT of Western European and US public policies is almost any possible hint of Christian expression, thought, or feeling. It’s done for. Reference Davis, Kim; among thousands of other like cases. To attempt to invoke Christianity to impact public policy on refugees and immigration – now – is hypocritical, at best.

      “we have forgotten what it is like to be homeless and in despair.”

      We have also forgotten what is like to live close to people who hate us implacably and whose children’s children may wish to kill us no matter how “nice” we are to them.
      Reference Hebdo, Charlie, and 11,9 – among thousands of other like cases.

      • Janos Skorenzy September 8, 2015 at 9:21 pm #

        Well said Prog. I smell utter disaster in the air. Too many are still committed to cosmic stupidity like this one. Of course many have awoken as well – but which one will get the microphone or be put in front of the camera?

        The Microphone is mightier than the Pen, and the Camera is mightier still. Even if the majority is now awake, the Elite will just ignore that and present the opposite to disempower us.

        • malthuss September 9, 2015 at 1:50 am #

          Remember Buck, they’re not just coming for our girls, but also our boys. Before we reach this stage, boys will be subjected to harassment, gang beatings, and of course watching White girls choosing the conquerors over them. Already happening in Europe./

          I had a friend who had a friend going to the Middle east on biz.
          He was told to not bring his 2 Blond teen age sons.

          They will be abducted and raped.

    • Bird Dog September 9, 2015 at 4:15 am #

      Here’s an Arab proverb for all your noble but unrealistic sentimentalising about the poor of the Earth (whom we will, in any case, be joining quite soon, most of us) ;

      ‘Pick up a bee from kindness; and know the limits of kindness.’

      Although, looking at the aggressive male ‘refugees’ festering at the borders of the EU, I’d say a hornet is a more appropriate.

      Bees do some good at least, when one takes the products of their labours.

  76. progress4what September 8, 2015 at 9:18 pm #

    ” as the 19th and 20th century experience of immigration has demonstrated. Germany got stronger… and will become even stronger.” – wpa –

    One of the negative impacts of immigration to “strong” countries like Germany and the US – is that the home countries of the immigrants become weaker due to loss of human capital. Immigration is often, therefore, a pernicious sort of “rich get richer” scheme.

    Also, the idea that countries should aspire to become “stronger” is based on the lie that infinite growth always good – on a finite planet.

    These negative aspects of immigration are not often mentioned. Thanks for helping to point them out, soak.

  77. progress4what September 8, 2015 at 9:48 pm #

    Mr. Darling – A few weeks ago you pointed out that you’d been in combat with women that were the equal of any man – or words to that effect. At the time I wanted to pick your brain and explore the idea that women being regularly used for dangerous military duty is one of those “peak prosperity” things that won’t last long if/when modern US society weakens. But I never wrote to you on the topic.

    Now, though, you seem to be saying that because Wpasock might be female – that this would explain in a negative manner – some of the defects in “her” reasoning, or something. And I’m not picking an argument, just asking you to clarify your logic for us.


    FWIW – WPA, ne asoka/pkrugman et al, is most probably male, in my opinion. Something about the aggressive OCD nature of his style of argumentation just doesn’t seem like it would belong to someone with two naturally occurring X chromosomes, ovaries, and a uterus.

    Also – Cold N. Holfield outed the person responsible for WPA and the asoka/krugman monikers, about one year+ ago. I followed a link and found a picture of a chubby male 30-something-year old; holding a cat, as I recall. Right or wrong – that’s my permanent image of that poster – who has really been on a tear here, lately.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 8, 2015 at 11:29 pm #

      Concur. WPA is not a disjointed, illogical female, but rather a highly intelligent deceiver. Male.

      Carol was a masterpiece of feminine evil though.

    • malthuss September 9, 2015 at 1:48 am #

      Does that link still exist? To WPAs photo?

  78. nsa September 9, 2015 at 12:08 am #

    If WPAsoka is a poofter as the above posts hint at, he/she can look forward to being tossed off the roof of an apartment building when the practitioners of the “religion of peace” take over……

  79. BackRowHeckler September 9, 2015 at 7:20 am #

    I was just watching EU Commissioners speech on migrants, “… religion doesn’t matter when it comes to refugees”, “… compulsory for all EU members to take in a prescribed number of migrants”.

    I understand this sonofabitch, name of Junkers, lives on a fortified compound in the Swiss Alps, he thinks he’s safe and above it all, WTF the does he care?

    The borders are down, Europe has given up, revealing what a hollowed, lip dick entity the EU was all along, the entire third world stirring like a great serpent ready to move north into the heart of Europe, its year zero, the Day of the Locust has descended upon Europe and what’s left of the Western World.


    • malthuss September 9, 2015 at 2:18 pm #

      Rush L is on air now, talking Merkel and ‘800k this year, 500k every year after.’

      and these people breed like rats.

  80. Cold N. Holefield September 9, 2015 at 9:08 am #

    I have a question. What is a lip dick?

    • BackRowHeckler September 9, 2015 at 4:57 pm #

      That’s limp dick, Cold.

      Like I mentioned before, Typos are tolerated, this being a blog, not a term paper at MIT.


      • S M Tenneshaw September 9, 2015 at 7:03 pm #

        Actually “lip dick” works too, in this context.

  81. Cold N. Holefield September 9, 2015 at 9:15 am #

    Didn’t Kim Carnes have a song about Kim Davis’s eyes. I never have figured out what “problish” meant.

  82. wpa--ccc September 9, 2015 at 11:24 am #

    JHK said: DOW to fall to 4,000 … someday. Japan to go medeival … someday. There goes Europe … accepting refugees, doing what it has done for the last four decades.


    S&P 500 up 1%

    DJIA added 1.1%

    Nasdaq gained 1.2%

    Japan’s Nikkei soared 7.7% overnight, its biggest session gain since October 2008 … a return to the middle ages will have to wait. Doomers and preppers lose to corncopians once again.

    • malthuss September 9, 2015 at 2:21 pm #

      I believe [according to Coxes book, ‘New Reality of Wall Street’, that Japans stock average is / are lower now then they were in the 1950’s.

      and its ‘ medieval’, cheers.

  83. wpa--ccc September 9, 2015 at 11:32 am #


    A cornucopian is a futurist who believes that continued progress and provision of material items for mankind can be met by similarly continued advances in technology. Fundamentally they believe that there is enough matter and energy on the Earth to provide for the ever-rising population of the world.

    For example, all the energy stored in Earth’s reserves of coal, oil, and natural gas is matched by the energy from just 20 days of sunshine.

    Spreading sunshine on CFN’s cynics, misogynists, and paranoids … I am wpa–ccc …

    • nsa September 9, 2015 at 12:08 pm #


      A cornholeian is a deviant who believes that continued progress and provision of a material item (cock up the butt) can be met with advances in technology (lube). Fundamentally they believe that enough cock up the butt with energy (viagra) will prevent the ever-rising population of the world.

      Spreading cheeks where the sun don’t shine on CFN’s cynics, misogynists, paranoids, and don’t forget the homophobes….I are WPAsoka.

  84. Q. Shtik September 9, 2015 at 1:01 pm #

    Letter just sent to the Editor of the NY Times:

    The caption beneath today’s front page picture contains this sentence: “The White House is considering **sheltering** more Syrians in the United States.” (emphasis mine) I am recommending to dictionary publishers that this sentence be inserted as a perfect example in the definition of the word ‘euphemism.’ **Shelter**, my foot! Any fool knows that once here these Syrians will never leave. They are being fast-tracked into permanent and legal citizenship.


    • malthuss September 9, 2015 at 2:23 pm #

      Some refuse to learn from history,

      ‘Hands Off My Church’ Petition Plays On French Fears Over …


      The Huffington Post
      Jul 16, 2015 – “Whether they are believers, agnostics or atheists, the French know by the surest science, that of the … The roughly 5,000 churches not owned by the state belong to other faith communities, or were …. Convert, die, or FIGHT .

  85. volodya September 9, 2015 at 1:58 pm #

    When the US forces barged into the Middle East they stepped into places farmed and civilized longer than anywhere else on earth. Millennia deep layers of custom and habit.

    That’s to say that maybe the US and its throng of suits and uniforms and contractors aren’t the only things or the most important. As Mr K says that’s not the whole story.

    I think Mr. K is right. What ails the Middle East is multi-faceted, some oil induced.

    They say that the post WW1 dismemberment of the Ottoman Empire and the drawing of national boundary lines in the sand are root causes of today’s troubles.

    Or maybe the very existence of that same Ottoman Empire is the deeper cause. Maybe the current rampages would have happened sooner or later as an unavoidable consequence of the Empire’s demise.

    Or maybe the whole Ottoman mess is rendered irrelevant by current demographic and economic forces. Maybe the pure facts of life, like needing to work and eat and stay alive, are what’s at play here.

    To an extent, it’s academic. IMO what we saw 1,500 years ago with the influx of Germanic refugees into the western Roman Empire, we’re seeing again. The Huns were on the move. The Goths were on the run from the Huns.

    The many headed throng from the Middle-East and Africa are on the run from lunatics with guns.

    The Huns and Goths in their various tribal affiliations up-ended Roman rule. The Arabs and Africans may yet do the same to Rome’s modern incarnation.

  86. capt spaulding September 9, 2015 at 2:11 pm #

    It just goes to show you once again, there’s nothing new under the sun. It’s all just a rerun.

  87. Buck Stud September 9, 2015 at 3:19 pm #

    Oh the irony. The very people most likely to embrace “open borders” are the very people Muslims would despise. And the 22:00 minute point of this video would be considered stone-to-death behavior:


    Some truly magical moments in this video IMO, especially the “Dark Star” intro. One can also see a bit of the legendary Neal Cassady driving the “Furthur” bus along with Ken Kesey looking to be waving hi in NYC from the bus.

    I also love reading some of the commentary on You Tube musical clips. This one for instance:

    ” Our problem is Aristotle now knows if he was correct, but we share being on this side of when “the secrets all are told, and the pedals all unfold”… and there’s a darkness through which we cannot see. That was girly guy’s problem when he was dying on that cross, while “the solemn Sun looked down on him… his mother stood but frowned on him… while all the others sound on him… but it doesn’t seem to matter…. But as the day was endin’ – with storm clouds dark and blendin’.. his mind remained unbendin….” So, my bellied is that we can end the song “And as this day is endin’… with rainbow colors blendin’ His mind remains unbendin’… :)”

    • BackRowHeckler September 9, 2015 at 5:07 pm #


      Buck, that’s the Cal. plate number for Kesey’s bus, a ’39 International, the one Neal Cassady drove across the US in 1964.


  88. Janos Skorenzy September 9, 2015 at 3:29 pm #

    Hungarian Journalist Heroine kicks Muslims kids and trips Muslim so he falls on his kid.


    You either fight or you lie down. You don’t pretend to fight and then condemn those who really are. But pretending not to fight and then knocking someone down is fine. Decision time: win or lose. Survive or go under. And subterfuge is a fine tactic – one that has almost destroyed us.

  89. Q. Shtik September 9, 2015 at 4:03 pm #

    We returned this past Sunday from an enjoyable and enlightening cruise vacation to the southeastern waters and ports of “the last frontier” aka, Alaska. The ship was the Grand Princess — a humongous craft with a passenger capacity of more than 3000 and a crew/staff above 1000. It was 80% occupied.

    We passengers by my judgment were all members of the upper one third of the economic strata of the so-called 99%. Age-wise I doubt there were more than a dozen children age 10 or under onboard and not even all that many young adults (under 40 years old). The people we met and conversed with were therefore an older and wiser crowd who were born and lived during an historical sweet spot in time beginning in the 1940s and ’50s… living beneficiaries of pensions and social security. As to their nationality, second after Americans were Chinese and there were a surprising number of Aussies.

    One such couple (Dave and Nancy) from Sacramento, CA sat across from us in a lounge area. Dave took the title of the book I was reading – Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy – as an opportunity for intro to conversation. Nancy who looked fortyish it was obvious on first sight had had as much work done on her as Joan Rivers including a set of perfectly white “veneers” and a great set of hooters. She had an eight year old grandchild.

    They told us some funny anecdotes about a visit to St. Petersburg and the nature of the people of Russia they encountered. Then our chat turned to the Princess crew who, in what appeared to be a genuinely friendly manner, saw to our every need.

    Each crew member wore a shiny brasslike medallion (like a sheriff’s badge) on which was their first name, their position title (e.g. Waiter), and their country of origin. Of the latter descriptor the most common was Philippines. Beyond them personnel ran the gamut of virtually every country in the world except Muslim countries and America (because of labor laws, we surmise). Although there were Brits, Poles, Serbs, Rumanians, white South Africans, white Brazilians etc, the composite color of staff was a shade of brown. There were lots of Indians. I saw two jet-black waiters who were Jamaican.

    Dave, as it turned out, was an accomplished pianist/ composer/ arranger (see http://www.DaveBassMusic.com) who in his earlier years had been for a couple of seasons on the crew of a cruise ship as a pianist in the open lobby-like area amid-ship. Concerning the crew, he reminded us that there were several decks that extended below the waterline peopled by those who were browner, less handsome and less proficient in English. These never-seen hoi polloi did the grunt-work of a cruise liner: laundry, food prep work, etc. and rarely if ever got to see the natural beauty in the areas they traveled. Their earnings, such as they were, went home to support families that they got to see only once or twice a year.

    Back on land (Anchorage) I learned from a grizzled old maker and vendor of gun holsters that there are no gun laws in Alaska. No-license “open carry” is very common and yet there is little crime and near zero shootings. He, himself, was toting two pistols including a HUGE 45 revolver (Colt, I think) with 5 bullet chambers.

  90. MisterDarling September 9, 2015 at 4:27 pm #

    @ Progress4What & Co.:

    Hello! It’s perfectly fine for you to ask for clarifications, elaborations, etc. I expected that someone might prompt me for a full explanation. Fortunately that someone was a CFN-er in good standing. [*]

    Regarding the following:

    “Mr. Darling – A few weeks ago you pointed out that you’d been in combat with women that were the equal of any man – or words to that effect. At the time I wanted to pick your brain and explore the idea that women being regularly used for dangerous military duty is one of those “peak prosperity” things that won’t last long if/when modern US society weakens. But I never wrote to you on the topic…
    Now, though, you seem to be saying that because Wpasock might be female – that this would explain in a negative manner – some of the defects in “her” reasoning, or something. And I’m not picking an argument, just asking you to clarify your logic for us…
    FWIW – WPA, ne asoka/pkrugman et al, is most probably male, in my opinion. Something about the aggressive OCD nature of his style of argumentation just doesn’t seem like it would belong to someone with two naturally occurring X chromosomes, ovaries, and a uterus.”-prog.

    Just to be very clear, I did not nor would I state “women that were the equal of any man” because that would invite the usual roster of reactionary idiots to leap-frog all sense & reason to accuse me of saying that women were *more* than equal to any man. What I said was that I knew of at least one woman who was equal to the better male soldiers around her, to the extent that it was clearly apparent even to them.

    Based on that first-hand observation I stated that I knew that women *can* be reliable co-combatants. . . Speaking from a few decades of experience, I consider that to be worth a lot.

    Why? Most of humanity (and therefore most men) are chickensh*t. Where violence is concerned they mean 1/2 of what they say and deliver less than 1/4 of that. The average person needs a lot of provoking to actually *do* something about it, and combatants will generally __not__ kill just because they are trained to and know that they’re ‘supposed to’. That is why the better militaries of the world rely on Operant Conditioning. [**]

    re | “At the time I wanted to pick your brain and explore the idea that women being regularly used for dangerous military duty is one of those “peak prosperity” things that won’t last long if/when modern US society weakens.”-prog.

    When the ‘fit’ actually ‘hits the shan’ we’ll probably see more female combatants not less. I agree with a number of well-known authors that women were ‘conscripted’ into the workplace en-masse in the late-70’s to shore up sagging income in the erstwhile middle-class – regardless of how it was rationalized at the time.

    It follows that opening up ‘career opportunities’ in the military had the same (economic) causal factors. In that sense women in the military are a “peak prosperity” phenomenon. But then again so is the whole idea that a military can be treated like just any career option. Societies living closer to the bone *never* see their military organizations that way. They are viewed as fighting organizations *first* and career-paths a far distant second.

    As the collapse accelerates and the military has to focus on actually winning non-optional wars for the sake of survival – instead of starting and prolonging them for the sake of profit – we’ll be seeing *more* women in combat, not less. Think of Soviet Russia during the Nazi onslaught. Women were in every part of their battlefield. That’s what happens when the stakes really are national life-or-death. Adherence to the wishful thinking of irrational civilians and their sentimental __bullshit__ goes out the window and true military expediency takes over. It has to.

    Bear in mind this is a better-case scenario. Soviet Russia actually held together as a cohesive nation-state under the internal aggression of a psychotic despot while defending itself against a better-trained and equipped psychotic enemy. It’s not clear to me that the US and EU could do something similar.

    re |”Now, though, you seem to be saying that because Wpasock might be female – that this would explain in a negative manner – some of the defects in “her” reasoning, or something. And I’m not picking an argument, just asking you to clarify your logic for us…”-prog.

    To be clear: I wouldn’t assume that the sex of the person referred to would affect their ability to reason – you may recall that I frequently cite female authors and public figures to reinforce my own reasoning. I do however find it more likely that a mentally-ill cat-lady would lavish praise upon the current POTUS more frequently than a similarly disabled male. That’s what my comment indicated. Nothing more.

    I hope this clarifies things?


    — — —

    [*] Ie. someone who can discuss issues on their own merits, utilizing references that aren’t radically at odds with the rational thinking, and who is willing to respectfully agree to disagree on the less reconcilable differences, etc. Someone civilized in other words, and not a rank harbinger of the times ahead that they pretend to oppose.

    [**] S L A Marshall’s watershed report “Men Against Fire” revealed that 75% of American troops fighting their way up the beaches on D-Day didn’t aim and fire their weapons at the enemy with the intention of killing them – even when there was a clear shot and they were under direct threat. Operant Conditioning training methods changed all that.

    • BackRowHeckler September 9, 2015 at 5:14 pm #


      SLA Marshall has been discredited,
      He made it all up.


      • MisterDarling September 10, 2015 at 12:41 am #


        I heard about the controversy and Mr. Hackworth’s testimony. It’s irritating to think that someone of professional stature would waste their time and ours by embellishing and distorting data.

        The salient thing is that what he wrote jibed with the preponderance of evidence from our time back into antiquity. Consider the musket recovered from Gettysburg with 9 musket-balls rammed into it for example. . . It also agreed with what my grandfather, father and I have witnessed at first hand.

        We know for a fact that the incidence of soldiers fully utilizing their weapons rose to 50% during the Korean War and 90% by Vietnam (with the advent of pop-up target ranges). Perhaps we shouldn’t be too hasty about throwing the ‘baby’ of his point out with the ‘bathwater’ of allegations against him?

        Just a thought.


        • BackRowHeckler September 10, 2015 at 7:03 am #

          Point taken, MD.

          I was relying on Alexander Rose’ ‘American Rifle’ which was published about 5-6 years ago.


    • elysianfield September 9, 2015 at 5:21 pm #

      Mr. D

      Well said. I expect you’ve read Col. Grossman’s book “On Killing”?

      Currently, Operant Conditioning involves video “games”. I understand the concept and method evolved from early commercial offerings. Can’t help but think that the dehumanizing effect of these games is mirrored in some of the mass shootings we are now experiencing.

      People seem to be into criticizing military budgets and waste…top heavy officer class, Military/Industrial complex, multi-billion dollar weapons systems. I grew up as a military brat on and around air force bases, and my respect for the services remains strong. I would caution that we have given many countries in the world real reason to resent or hate us…and the bad memories are generational in the making, and will be long remembered. I would opine that our military budget, even with incredible waste and corruption, as long as it provides hegemony, will, in retrospect, be seen as a bargain.

      • MisterDarling September 10, 2015 at 12:53 am #

        @ Elysian:

        “Well said. I expect you’ve read Col. Grossman’s book “On Killing”?”-e.

        Yes I have. ‘Colonel Dave’s’ book gets the mechanics right, even if he was a virgin to the experience (by his own admission) at the time of first publication.

        My concerns about the cost-effectiveness/bang-for-buck ratio of Western (particularly American) fighting organizations is in line with H. John Poole’s (ref. Tactics of the Crescent Moon, Last Hundred Yards, etc). Re-skilling and re-empowering soldiers would be the order of the day, absent the long arm (and leg) of the Pentagon’s supply-chain.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 9, 2015 at 9:07 pm #

      Pushing pop and popular PC memes – but not “fanatically” so as to not alienate the Old Guard? You always see both sides, but always favor the one of the person whom you’re talking too at the time. You’ll go far, laddie.

      • elysianfield September 10, 2015 at 12:14 pm #

        A toady? I did not know that about myself…. I thought that I might be seen and excoriated as one who uses too many asides, often with vague attempts at humor. “Always”, as used, might be a bit too strong a position in your statement. Dannyboy, Wpac, Dr. Tom, et al I have disagreed with… The reason that I do not offend the “Old Guard” is that…I usually agree with them (at least in substance). Even some of your most strident posts provide a “cud” on which to ruminate.

        I try to avoid ad hominem attacks…I do not de-humanize (even those not acting human)…and, pardon me for this, I have prepared and moved farther from the population centers than even our host…in effect, walking the walk. Sorry for the vanilla posts, I expect that I will have to be more contentious in the future.

        • Janos Skorenzy September 10, 2015 at 3:02 pm #

          Oh I was talking to Mr D. Sorry if I made a mistake.

  91. BackRowHeckler September 9, 2015 at 5:01 pm #

    This just in.

    EU want member nations to alter labor law, making ‘migrants’ eligible to work legally the moment they set foot in host country, competing for jobs (scarce to begin with) with the native population.


  92. malthuss September 9, 2015 at 5:55 pm #

    One of Cuomos people killed,


    • elysianfield September 9, 2015 at 6:52 pm #


      Reading the referenced article, I am reminded how disadvantaged we here in the Pacific Northwest truly are. Not since my youth in Oakland Ca. have I experienced the rich cultural tapestry that is described in the link. We have a lack of cultural diversity here that leaves me, somehow, feeling diminished. Insane violence, unfathomable ignorance, wild, ovulating she-devils…maybe it is just me pining for my lost youth?

      • malthuss September 9, 2015 at 11:08 pm #

        die versity.

        I read a rumor, Intel to spend 300 million to find and hire blacks.

  93. FincaInTheMountains September 9, 2015 at 7:05 pm #

    Actions of Russia and China are now preparations to some important joint demarche of the two in the UN General Assembly on 15-22 September.

    Ukraine has lost any chance to achieve at least some goals set up by Maidan coup sponsors, and is finally defeated militarily and diplomatically and economically. The final nail in the Ukraine coffin drove the accusations of P.M. Yatsenyuk in international terrorism, war crimes and crimes against humanity. With such Prime Minister Russia cannot enter into any agreements, both in terms of internal policy and in terms of policy international – well, what actually would have Americans thought seeing on TV pictures of Lavrov negotiating with a man who tortured and killed Russian soldiers on Russian territory.

    Latakia rapidly is turning into Donbass 2.0 and statements that Russian troops are not in Syria word for word reproduce similar statements about lack of Russian troops in Ukraine. The problem is compounded by the fact that Syria and Russia has no common border and that air space of East European dwarfs would be closed was clear even at the level of operational planning. And the fact that Iran has opened its air space for Russian planes flying to Latakia, does not change the situation too much, since Iran too does not have common border with Syria and the planes would have to fly over Iraq, and through areas controlled by ISIS.

    Nevertheless, it is done. So they figure a way out from this situation.

    I see only one event that could untangle this situation – the disintegration of Turkey and establishment of independent Kurdistan.

  94. Frankiti September 9, 2015 at 8:13 pm #

    The west is entitled to its imminent explosive end. Millions of invaders from the Arab states, millions of invaders from latin america… a cavalcade of imbeciles running for king of the west… and people are up in arms griping about a fat and no longer deathbed svelte poof hawking a pen for a giant computer pad. And this is how it all ends, with welcome and relief.

  95. FincaInTheMountains September 9, 2015 at 9:25 pm #

    Financiers brought the US and the whole world along with it to a brink of such disaster, from which it is almost impossible to find a solution.

    At the same time financiers are not used to be held accountable for their actions or pay on their debts – they only force others to pay.

    So they are for sure will try to arrange a global force majeure, which could cost dearly the United States and the planet as a whole.

    Some patriots of the United States, by putting forward outside-of-the-clans candidates for the presidency (Trump and Biden) trying to take control and avoid overly dramatic consequences.

    In general, it seems that most of the political elite of the United States, regardless of party affiliation, has aimed to prevent the Clinton’s Presidency, with whom uncontrollable risks for everyone could come to the White House.

    • Frankiti September 10, 2015 at 8:37 pm #

      Even the politicians think the Clintons are too dirty for politics. We can all read between the lines, well, everyone besides the press.

  96. Q. Shtik September 9, 2015 at 9:52 pm #

    Japan’s Nikkei soared 7.7% overnight, its biggest session gain since October 2008 … wpa–ccc


    …and at this moment in Thursday trading has given back more than half of Wednesday’s gain.

    • wpa--ccc September 9, 2015 at 10:13 pm #

      And is no closer to becoming medieval.

  97. wpa--ccc September 9, 2015 at 9:54 pm #

    Franktiti, drama queen: The west is not ending, not with a whimper, not with a bang. Millions of immigrants from the Arab states will help Europe survive. Millions of immigrants from latin america will help America survive… Bernie Sanders is not an imbecile … and people. The end of white supremacy and white privilege will be welcome and a relief for all of humanity.

    The idiots of CFN believe Islam is a violent cult. But it is white America that is bombing or invading or occuping Muslim countries, fourteen countries in all. What Muslim country has bombed, invaded, or occuppied the United States? Nineteen non-state Saudis on 9/11 does not qualify, nor did those non-state actors represent Islam.

    Let’s see who the US has bombed, invaded, or occupied: Iran (1980, 1987-1988), Libya (1981, 1986, 1989, 2011), Lebanon (1983), Kuwait (1991), Iraq (1991-2011, 2014-), Somalia (1992-1993, 2007-), Bosnia (1995), Saudi Arabia (1991, 1996), Afghanistan (1998, 2001-), Sudan (1998), Kosovo (1999), Yemen (2000, 2002-), Pakistan (2004-) and now Syria.

    And Islam is a “violent cult”? Christian white west, look in the mirror.

    • Frankiti September 10, 2015 at 8:40 pm #

      Non-sequitur much?

      White people make it rain. Seems like everyone wants to be where they have it all dialed-in. Just an observation.

  98. Cold N. Holefield September 9, 2015 at 10:12 pm #

    I have never and will never take a cruise.

    • Q. Shtik September 9, 2015 at 10:46 pm #

      I can understand your sentiment. I said much the same 10 years ago after my first and only other cruise. The place traveled and the company your with can make a big difference.

      David Foster Wallace wrote the most perceptive and hilarious essay on this subject you will ever find titled “A supposedly fun thing I’ll never do again.”

      • wpa--ccc September 9, 2015 at 11:11 pm #

        “the company your with”

        the company you’re with

        • Q. Shtik September 9, 2015 at 11:39 pm #

          As BRH says, this is a blog, not a college dissertation. If you start correcting people I’m going to complain to Jim. ;o)

          • wpa--ccc September 10, 2015 at 9:59 am #

            You are not doing any correcting of your own posts. You are relying upon spell check. Spell check will never reveal to you all your errors, yet we have to suffer them.


        • sprawlcapital September 11, 2015 at 7:54 am #

          Thank you, Works Progress Administration-Civilian Conservation Corps. You may or may not agree, but I think America peaked in that era, 1933 – 45, and has been in decline ever since.

          By the way, someone this week, I think it was our favorite canine, used phenomena when it should have been phenomenon.The latter is the singular. Phenomena is the plural form.

          Q, I will continue correcting errors until Jim threatens me with banning. My day job, however, limits the time I can devote to these comments. You used to correct errors too, if I recall correctly. And you were good at it, I must add.

  99. Q. Shtik September 9, 2015 at 10:32 pm #

    On the back cover of this book is the following descriptive blurb:

    “Based on historical events that took place on the Texas-Mexico border in the 1850s, Blood Meridian is an epic novel that traces the fortunes of the Kid, a fourteen-year-old Tennesseean who stumbles into a nightmarish world in which the market for Indian scalps is thriving.”

    In a recruiting pitch on page 36 the captain of a band of mercenaries tells the Kid:

    “What we are dealing with … is a race of degenerates. A mongrel race, little better than niggers. And maybe no better. There is no government in Mexico. Hell, there’s no God in Mexico. Never will be. We are dealing with a people manifestly incapable of governing themselves. And do you know what happens with people who cannot govern themselves? That’s right. Others come in to govern for them.”

    Sounds like something a commenter here might have written.

    • wpa--ccc September 9, 2015 at 11:15 pm #

      “the market for Indian scalps”

      Some behead, others scalp.

      Then the Christian scalpers (modern day bombers, invaders, and assassins) call the ISIS beheaders “violent”!

      • Q. Shtik September 9, 2015 at 11:29 pm #

        The scenes of violence and horrible deaths, particularly those perpetrated by the Apaches, are the stuff of nightmares. If I had known what I was in for I probably would not have undertaken a reading of the book. Aside from the violence though, the style and descriptive powers of the author are unique in literature.

        I still have 70 pages to go and must continue on to see how it all ends.

  100. Q. Shtik September 9, 2015 at 11:17 pm #

    You always see both sides, but always favor the one of the person whom you’re talking too at the time. – Janos to elysianfield


    This was the very trait that used to drive me wild about P4W but he has made a near complete change in recent times…all for the better.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 10, 2015 at 2:02 am #

      You should have read Mein Kampf on the boat. Elevation of the spirit instead of violence porn. I enjoyed his book and movie “The Road”. Saw the movie “No Country for Old Men” but not the book. Superb.

      During Black Jack Pershing’s invasion of Mexico, some big wig said it was “To teach the Mexicans to elect good men.” Ah, those were the day – before we doubted ourselves. As William Blake said, “If the sun were to doubt, it would immediately go out.”

      • Janos Skorenzy September 10, 2015 at 2:17 am #

        Of course that lead to making many mistakes – which lead to doubting ourselves. Effect is Cause revealed after all. Somehow we have to get back to that innocent state while remaining wise. Somehow we must regain the virile virtues of barbarism but without the crudity. Now do you see the goal of Fascism? Of Sparta? The ideal of the Knight and the Samurai?

        • elysianfield September 10, 2015 at 12:48 pm #

          ” Effect is Cause revealed after all.”

          Cancer and a myriad of human diseases gives lie to that premise. You might argue that the causal effects would be revealed, but not identified or understood…I could accept that.

          • Janos Skorenzy September 10, 2015 at 3:05 pm #

            Yes, often an exception in the sense we have yet to learn the causes. But we do know smoking can lead to lung cancer and too much sun to skin cancer, etc.

  101. FincaInTheMountains September 10, 2015 at 5:52 am #

    What in the hell Russians are using against ISIS in Syria?


    • stelmosfire September 10, 2015 at 9:17 am #

      Finka that is actually a video of the “Knob Creek” 2015 annual machine gun shoot here in the good ol’ USA. All private citizens heavily armed. That buzzing sound shooting a steady stream of fire is a fairly old technology (1960). It is an m134 minigun, which is an electrically driven Gatling gun with a variable rate of fire up 100 rounds per second!. view on you tube ” knob creek machine gun shoot 2015″‘ footage starts at the 3 minute mark.

  102. Averagejoe September 10, 2015 at 6:20 am #

    . “Personally, I reject the idea that it’s “racist” to want to preserve one’s national culture and character”

    Hmmmm. There is a degree of irony there. The US, is a nation of immigrants, with different cultures from different origins, whether it be of Irish, Scots or European decent. Then of course there is the native Indians who didn’t take to kindly to the influx of Europeans. The same can be said f most countries. I think John Michael Greer is right on this point. Countries boundaries, and population make up will change over the coming centuries whether you like it r not.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 10, 2015 at 2:59 pm #

      Greer lamented that he wouldn’t live to see the Asian/Hispanic Culture developing on the West Coast. I questioned his loyalty and he took that part out. I then questioned his choice of spiritual path: the real Druids were Celtic Patriots. If he wanted a Universalist Occult path, why not the Golden Dawn or Ceremonial Magic in general? Why corrupt one of our Traditions?

      He banned me.

  103. Cold N. Holefield September 10, 2015 at 6:56 am #

    Hey guys and gals, here’s a great Twitter account to follow. Check it out when you get a chance.


  104. BackRowHeckler September 10, 2015 at 7:25 am #

    I was riding in this truck with the millwright i’m working for, moving machinery from one part of the state (east) to another (southwest). I mentioned events in Europe, the mass migration from Arab lands, Central Asia and Africa. He looked at me like I was nuts, “What the hell are you talking about?” “Yeah, they’re moving in by the millions”. He was dumb founded. Meanwhile, as we drove down the road we passed motels on US 6 (same road that goes from Provincetown, Mass. to Ely, Nevada, then cuts down to LA, the Lincoln Highway. This is our one small portion of it). The motels had a story, almost every one, “I had a broad in there one night, name of Donna.” That’s how it went, 3 decades of one night stands we passed on the road.

    We’re moving and setting up an ‘O.D. Grinder’ a massive machine, weighs 10 tons and when set up about 30 ft long. This is the real business of millwrights, setting up machinery, not tearing it down and shipping it out, so it was a happy day. Its really quite a skill, having to get everything just right, this heavy but delicate machinery, within tolerances of 1000th of an inch. It would be ashamed for us to lose these skills.

    The guys on my night job, in the Pressroom, mostly black West Indians, were discussing Europe a little, too. The consensus, disaster looms. You’d be surprised how conservative, even reactionary, these black dudes from Jamaica and Trinidad can be, ‘specially ones with kids. They especially have a grudge against Mexicans, here to “take our jobs”.


    • FincaInTheMountains September 10, 2015 at 7:35 am #

      What are these grinders for? I am using much smaller grinders for palm nuts.

      • elysianfield September 10, 2015 at 12:27 pm #

        OD cylindrical grinders are used to grind, with great accuracy and finish, the outside diameter of cylindrical items…wheels, shafts, tapers, etc. Usually accurate to .00001″, while able to provide a mirror finish on the metal items, usually steel, they grind…I have two of them…used one, the larger Churchill, to grind rifle barrels to concentricity with the axis of the bore. A grinder is described by the size of the grinding wheel (12″ on up), and the size of an item that can be placed between centers and ground…12X36, for example…12″ wheel, capable of 36″ between centers.

        Oh, and as a sop to Janos…Goddamn Commies!

  105. Cold N. Holefield September 10, 2015 at 7:43 am #

    I was riding in this truck with the millwright i’m working for, moving machinery from one part of the state (east) to another (southwest).

    A millwright now. First it was a printer, now it’s a millwright. What will it be tomorrow or the next week? And yet you find the time to extensively read entire libraries and relax on your front porch and your back patio and maintain a significant online presence. Impressive for an Old Codger. But not nearly as impressive as Hillary. She can cry, and I’ve yet to see you shed a single tear.

    How do you like it now ladies?


    • BackRowHeckler September 11, 2015 at 6:59 am #

      i’m not a millwright. I just help the guy the guy out one in awhile.


  106. wpa--ccc September 10, 2015 at 9:16 am #

    “Hey guys and gals, here’s a great Twitter account to follow.” –Cold

    Great idea! I’m going to encourage my Muslim friends to become police, so they can go about enforcing their Muslim values while armed and paid at taxpayer expense.

    How do you like it now, not-so-gentle men?


  107. barbisbest September 10, 2015 at 9:17 am #

    Just as J said would happen. Migrations. And does anyone know what helped to cause the fracas in Syria. Drought, and therefore, most likely, lack of sustenance. Like the 35 year mega-drought that California is facing.

    Here’s a thought for anyone who wishes to think on it. Cultures/civilizations who survive have managed lands in their commons. This we know. (quote taken from a very intelligent and very young lady on the program Bioneers on Link TV. (one shirt collar under her sweater, one not, cute. Just that I noticed) (J has also mentioned the commons in the past.) France now has 60,000 acres of farmland commons, organic, worth 53 million Euros. Is this country bright enough?!

    Now, I shall duck.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 10, 2015 at 2:54 pm #

      Lesbian? Commons are fine as long as they don’t replace private land. Nothing can replace owning one’s own home and land – with one’s own firearms to protect them.

  108. progress4what September 10, 2015 at 9:27 am #

    “Countries boundaries, and population make up will change over the coming centuries whether you like it r not.” – averagejoe –

    Yeah – Greer and a lot of the left wing side of the collapse community are chewing that Lotus Blossom idea. And it’s true, given a long enough time scale and a deep enough collapse.

    But right now – a massive migration of alien culture into the heart of the West is being facilitated and financed by government forces.

    It is unprecedented in history. It is either evil or stupid.

  109. FincaInTheMountains September 10, 2015 at 9:37 am #

    Al Qaeda Mag Urges Attack on Koch Brothers, Buffett, Bloomberg

    A notorious al Qaeda magazine is encouraging lone-wolf terrorist attacks on U.S. economic leaders, including Bill Gates, Michael Bloomberg and Warren Buffett.

    The article says the “economic personalities” and “wealthy entrepreneurs” can get off the list by withdrawing their money from U.S. banks, investing their wealth outside American soil, and denouncing support for Israel.


    “Al-Qaeda” is a product of US intelligence. And the fact that US put up a significant, but to no avail struggle with it for the past few decades does not change that.

    Of course, not all previous threats to “Al-Qaeda” were realized in practice. But the news may be not just an empty threat. The United States are on the verge of financial collapse and are frantically looking for ways to organize a force majeure, which will allow them to write off debts. Including something where all major national capital will suddenly disappear into nowhere, leaving ordinary Americans with no more than a donut hole.

  110. progress4what September 10, 2015 at 9:44 am #

    Mister D –
    Yeah, in extremis there are certainly women who can do combat as well as men. Our differences for this discussion would lie in how extreme those events become. And I saw “Enemy at the Gate,” as well. haha

    If you HAD to do an organized draft of civilians, I’d guess (round numbers, made up on the fly) that out of 1,000 men aged 18-30; that you would get 100 very effective soldiers and 10 amazing killing machines. Out of 1000 women aged 18-30 what would you get?
    10 effective soldiers, one killing machine?? I’m asking, here.

    My point is that post-peak-everything, US society would not have the resources to spend winnowing through both male and female populations – we’d have to stick with the male half.

    If populations self-select (all-volunteer military) then US society might afford the time and resources for the follow-on winnowing process. The volunteer military, IOW, may be another of those peak everything things.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 10, 2015 at 2:32 pm #

      Thank you, Prog. We have bureaucratic minds ruling us. D is obviously an Army one, now wearing civies or maybe not. They are typically very generous with the laws of nature and our money, but very close fisted with their own “honor”, accountability, workload, and budget.

      It’s the Scopes Trial again. If you had enough monkeys and time, they would pound out the works of Shakespeare. But in fact, there has never been enough time nor will there ever be. And who is going to house and feed such an infinite troop of literary monkeys. D? Only God could, and He chose not to.

      Likewise, there has not been enough time since the beginning of the Earth for such complex life forms as us to have emerged by chance. Not nearly. The Mutations so called were creative leaps guided by an intelligent force.

      • ZrCrypDiK September 20, 2015 at 2:28 pm #

        En retard? Ayup, been AFK.

        It’s nice to see the racist continue on with his banter (<.<)! A preview of things to come?!?

        " Wave beyond wave awaits after the 'this one'." Classic. Pretenders, and electronic voting booth *riggerz*…

  111. FincaInTheMountains September 10, 2015 at 9:48 am #

    Monica Crowley On Hillary E-Mail Investigation: “This Is Not Some Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, This Is Barack Obama Taking Her Out”


    1. Obama wants Hillary to withdraw from the game (up to jail time)
    2. Hillary constitutes a threat to what he has achieved during these 6 years in office

  112. progress4what September 10, 2015 at 10:00 am #


    And, oh yeah, I meant to post this. Very interesting discussion thread that appears to bifurcate on generational and gender lines.

    Several of the female commenters make the point that you can stop menstrual bleeding with continuous doses of birth control hormones.
    To which I would ask, “Isn’t that another of those ‘peak everything’ advantages that US society takes completely for granted?”

  113. wpa--ccc September 10, 2015 at 10:11 am #

    “out of 1,000 men aged 18-30; that you would get 100 very effective soldiers and 10 amazing killing machines” –P4W

    Very, very, optimistic numbers.

    I would say 25 men, and 18 to 20 women… out of 1,000. See what we are all doing here? Pulling numbers out of our asses.

    As for killing machines it is just a matter of training people who have no reverence for human life. Women are the best, a la La Femme Nikita.

    • progress4what September 10, 2015 at 10:24 am #

      I clearly asked M. D for his opinion on the numbers.

      You are not a party to this discussion.

      Go hold your cat.

    • elysianfield September 10, 2015 at 12:36 pm #

      “training people who have no reverence for human life”

      You have it wrong…close but wrong. It is a manner of training people TO have no reverence for human life…much easier to do than finding the sociopaths among us….

  114. Buck Stud September 10, 2015 at 10:14 am #

    “Of course that lead to making many mistakes – which lead to doubting ourselves. Effect is Cause revealed after all. Somehow we have to get back to that innocent state while remaining wise. Somehow we must regain the virile virtues of barbarism but without the crudity. Now do you see the goal of Fascism? Of Sparta? The ideal of the Knight and the Samurai?”—Janos

    Did you happen to see the West Point pillow fight? It doesn’t get much more faux innocent than that,contriving a cathartic infantilism in order to revert back to “the virile virtues of barbarism”.

    You’re a lot like BRH: he has his war fantasy delusions and you your Wes Parker/Daniel Boone delusions. But there is no more untamed wilderness inviting Europeans to build log cabins and family farms. Or Indians to displace. Or upright Presbyterian ministers preaching in the wilderness. So now you project all of your hopeful barbarian bravado on to some perceived savior –you termed him “The Great Man”–like Donald Trump who at the end of the day is nothing more than a ‘Fortunate One’ who and never rolled up a sleeve in his entire life. But he does have a good Mad Dog Vachon sneer, I’ll give him that.

    As an aside, a while back ago a relative showed me some genealogy research they had done. The farthest she got back was 1778 and what is now Wheeling West Virginia. And , interestingly, not a slave owner among the bunch which was hauntingly indicated on the old census records.

    Did you know three deer leg.hooves sawed in section and laminated together can make a very elegant lamp, furniture leg base? A sort of a Scotch-Irish cabriole leg, if you will. I have more than a few of these around and just recently a female interior designer was lauding the look and asking me where I got them etc. I told her my great grandfather made them and if she liked these she would love the lynx with an eagle in his mouth taxidermy arrangement. She never got back to me on that one 🙂

    • Janos Skorenzy September 10, 2015 at 2:38 pm #

      I agree – the pillow fight was shit. It’s not what I’m talking about so don’t pretend that it is.

      Anderson Cooper was thrilled when he found out his ancestor was killed by one of his slaves. Any man who has such a reaction has no reverence for his people – and no one else’s either. He is a devil. Bet his boyfriend looks like a younger version of himself. Complete narcissist.

      There may no be no more Indians to fight, but the Barbarians are coming Buck. Are we going to bend over like Anderson or fight like Daniel?

    • Janos Skorenzy September 10, 2015 at 7:02 pm #

      You’re just mad because I proved Islam has been bad for a long time if not from the beginning, and because I disapproved of your new friends. Look, accept their invitation to dinner. When they throw you into the cooking pot as the main course, I expect a post or at least a tweat about it.

  115. wpa--ccc September 10, 2015 at 10:27 am #

    “…you can stop menstrual bleeding …” –P4W

    Not necessary. Women have more stamina and endurance than men. (Thank God men don’t have to carry and give birth to children.) In the 62-day Ranger training only 40 percent of the men who start the training make it to graduation. The women who recently graduated carried more weight because the men couldn’t handle it.

    “I was the 320 gunner [a grenade launcher], so I had a lot of weight on me, and I was struggling. And I stopped, and I asked at halfway point, ‘Hey, can anyone help take some of this weight?’ I got a lot of deer-in-the headlight looks, you know. A lot of people were like, ‘I can’t take anymore weight.’ Shaye [Haver] was the only one to volunteer to take that weight. She took the weight off me, and she carried it the last half of that road. Literally saved me. I probably wouldn’t be sitting here right now if it wasn’t for Shaye. So, from that point, no more skepticism,” Janowski said.



    • progress4what September 10, 2015 at 10:45 am #

      “took some Midol” – catboy’s link –


      • wpa--ccc September 10, 2015 at 1:43 pm #

        I do not own a cat. I am not a boy. You should be careful.

  116. wpa--ccc September 10, 2015 at 10:36 am #

    ” “The Great Man”–like Donald Trump” –Buck Stud

    Trump thinks he could have made a better deal with Iran than Obama. Trump’s second favorite book is on making deals. His most favorite book is THE BIBLE!

    The difference being this: more than 100 countries across the globe have publicly endorsed Obama’s historic deal with Iran. I doubt Trump has ever made a deal that involved even two countries coming to agreement.

  117. volodya September 10, 2015 at 11:58 am #

    No disrespect intended because you hear things all the time and you tend to repeat them. I do it myself. And so, for example, you get the common and oft repeated, broad-brush, mis-characterization of the US as a country of immigrants. Ain’t so.

    Immigrants in the US are a minority. They don’t define the US. At any rate, not by themselves. They aren’t THAT influential.

    Being a descendant of immigrants doesn’t make you one. All those hundreds of millions, born and raised in the USA, wouldn’t call themselves immigrants either.

    A huge number of Americans have got centuries deep roots in the US. Not only that but America, as a place and society, has enough pull on people’s imagination of themselves as AMERICAN. “American” is an easy enough national identity to visualize.

    Which raises the issue of national culture. The founding country, from which America took shape, is, you guessed it, the UK. While the culture of the United States isn’t a carbon copy, it’s parentage is apparent enough, with for example, language, religion, customs and governing institutions, including the Presidency, based on those in Jolly Olde.

    The point being I don’t see at all the irony of talking about a “national culture” of the US. While American culture isn’t unique, given its long list of ancestral influences, primarily but not completely British and European, I can’t think of any culture that is.

    As an example, just think of the Bolshoi Ballet company. Russians are very proud of it and rightly so as they are a highly skilled bunch. And very Russki wouldn’t you say?

    But hang on, ballet as an art form didn’t originate in Russia but rather in Italy. You can look it up. A huge swathe of the English lingo has its origin in Latin. A huge swathe of western Europe has linguistic origins in Latin too.

    Doesn’t matter, each people takes influences and either discards them or adopts and adapts them to make them work locally. Or nationally. Americans included.

    Kunstler is right, it isn’t “racist” to want to preserve a national culture. For one thing, race and culture are two different things. For another, being on the same page on how to conduct ourselves and deal with one another isn’t a bad thing. Makes life go a lot smoother.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 10, 2015 at 2:43 pm #

      Race and Culture are different? Yes and No. It’s hard to imagine Blacks becoming just like White Anglo Saxon Protestants in a high WASP Culture. As the old saying goes, You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. On the other hand, it’s much easier to go down: White kids can become corrupted by a Black youth culture, unfortunately a very degraded one no less.

  118. FincaInTheMountains September 10, 2015 at 12:29 pm #

    Successful NASA Rocket Fuel Pump Tests Pave Way for 3-D Printed Demonstrator Engine

    Additive manufacturing, or 3-D printing, is a key technology for enhancing space vehicle designs and enabling affordable missions to Mars. The turbopump is a critical rocket engine component with a turbine that spins and generates more than 2,000 horsepower–twice the horsepower of a NASCAR engine.

    “Our team designed and tested the fuel pump and other parts, such as injectors and valves, for the additive manufactured demonstrator engine in just two years,” said Nick Case, a propulsion engineer and systems lead for the turbopump work. “If we used traditional manufacturing processes, it would have taken us double that time. Using a completely new manufacturing technique allowed NASA to design components for an additively manufactured demonstration engine in a whole new way.”



    I hope when we finally go through current turbulent times, (in one piece), our children and grandchildren will enjoy those tremendous technological achievements, including abandon nuclear energy.

  119. Q. Shtik September 10, 2015 at 12:53 pm #

    Trump has ever made a deal that involved even two countries coming to agreement. – wpa–ccc


    I know next to nothing about this however my guess is that Trump couldn’t give a shit about who else “endorses” his deal.

    • wpa--ccc September 10, 2015 at 2:08 pm #

      “Trump couldn’t give a shit” –Q

      Oh, but he does. Deals are what he cares about. My point is Trump knows nothing about making deals involving other countries in the international arena. Trump has zero experience, and very little knowledge.

  120. Cavepainter September 10, 2015 at 12:56 pm #

    Please, can we get back to an honest discussion about the earth’s limited carry capacity, coupled with acknowledging the preposterousness of believing that the burden of existing population could be accommodated if only history was reverse engineered such that all the perceived wrongs of the past could be corrected?

    NOW; Want to know why corporations choose importing H-1B immigrant engineers rather than funding education in America? Simple: Across Asia and the Middle East only the very wealthy are privileged with higher education, but even though that class is much less than 1% of total population it is many times greater than the entire population of the US. Subsequently, having available this essentially free and vast source of highly educated “techies” – educated at their own expense — corporations throw their political weight away from having to pay (fair share of taxes) for educating Americans. Besides, these foreign born of privilege can be lured in at lower pay rates due to being anxious to establish a beach-head here for chain migrating their families away from the growing instability in their home region.

  121. barbisbest September 10, 2015 at 1:39 pm #

    ‘But right now – a massive migration of alien culture into the heart of the West is being facilitated and financed by government forces.

    It is unprecedented in history. It is either evil or stupid.’ OR BOTH

    Oh, and there we were all in one place
    A generation lost in space
    So come on, Jack be nimble, Jack be quick
    Jack Flash sat on a candlestick
    ‘Cause fire is the devil’s only friend

    Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
    My hands were clenched in fists of rage
    No angel born in Hell
    Could break that Satan’s spell

    And as the flames climbed high into the night
    To light the sacrificial rite
    I saw Satan laughing with delight
    The day the music died

    He was singing bye, bye, Miss American Pie
    Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
    Them good ole boys were drinking whiskey ‘n rye
    And singin’ this’ll be the day that I die
    This’ll be the day that I die

    And the three men I admire most
    The Father, Son and the Holy Ghost
    They caught the last train for the coast
    The day the music died

    Salut my fellow Mayans.

  122. wpa--ccc September 10, 2015 at 1:49 pm #

    “Oh, and there we were all in one place” –barbisbest

    Yes, we all live on planet earth. All this anti-immigration racist xenophic rant about the evils of immigration is stupid and is detracting from the real issues we face: like the earth’s limited carry capacity. People moving about from one place to another is irrelevant as it neither increases nor decreases the earth’s population.

    • Cavepainter September 11, 2015 at 4:44 pm #

      Hmmm,….all of a sudden national sovereignty and representational democracy seem to have reached shelf life expiration date — at least according to you. Too, any structure of government and due process goes onto the compost pile of history. Puzzling, but I guess I just haven’t grasped how soon all humanity will be on a single wave link, thereby cleansed of all those clumsy aspects of individual personality sculpted under the influence of social/cultural conditioners. Sounds like the disembodied state of angels.

  123. Q. Shtik September 10, 2015 at 2:08 pm #

    OD cylindrical grinders are used to grind, with great accuracy .. etc. etc. – elysian to Finca


    ^This^ discussion reminds me of our first conversation with a stranger on our recent Alaskan cruise. It was at breakfast on the first day out of the origin port of Vancouver, BC. A very tall (6’6″??) gentleman (Gene), estimated age 73, sat alone (his wife had died at age 60) at a table that would accommodate five. We asked to join him.

    He was a retired machinist who had worked all his life for Timken Roller Bearing. He was now a “snowbird” who split his time between Florida and Bucyrus, Ohio. He had a big smile and a charming hick manner of speech so his home town came out as an exaggerated Byoo sigh russ, Ohio. Timken is still very much a going concern although he lamented significant outsourcing over the years.

    Gene could charm the balls off a brass monkey so I was not surprised to see two Chinese women ask him to join in a photo op as our ship stood motionless before a huge glacier. He was centered behind and between these women with his two long arms around them. My wife and I watched. His huge hands slid upward and cupped one breast of each women. They began to laugh… so did I, my wife, and others. He smiled broadly and in his best slow hick drawl said “Well .. that’s .. whut .. they .. told .. me .. to .. do.”

    When the ship eventually resumed its motion away from the glacier Gene was heard to say “That’s one of the longest periods of time I have ever looked at something without having a drink.”

    • wpa--ccc September 10, 2015 at 2:26 pm #

      So you shared a cruise with well-off drunks enjoying their white privilege. Why does this not surprise me?

  124. Q. Shtik September 10, 2015 at 2:29 pm #

    Yes, we all live on planet earth. All this anti-immigration racist xenophic rant about the evils of immigration is stupid – wpa


    Asoka, when in the few remaining years of your life are you going to cut all this one world crap that flies in the face of everyone else’s reality???

    • wpa--ccc September 10, 2015 at 2:35 pm #

      When you can point out the borders on the surface of the planet. Rivers and oceans are not borders. Take a look for yourself, courtesy of NASA. I couldn’t care less about “everyone else’s reality” that contradicts the blue marble evidence you can see with your own eyes.

      It is one earth. We all share it.


      • elysianfield September 10, 2015 at 7:25 pm #


        Borders are a political construct, and you share within those borders space at the sufferance of those having enough power to maintain them. One earth, and we all share it? Explain that to the very rich, or to those currently disenfranchised and on the move….

        • Q. Shtik September 10, 2015 at 7:45 pm #

          Borders are a political construct, and you share within those borders space at the sufferance of those having enough power to maintain them – elysian



          Don’t get yourself all worked up into a lather, Asoka/wpa knows all this but he gets some sort of perverse pleasure playing apologist for the indefensible. He’s been stirring the pot here for a decade a more.

  125. wpa--ccc September 10, 2015 at 2:29 pm #

    41% Bernie Sanders
    40% Hillary Clinton

    A statistical tie in socialist Iowa fly-over country.

  126. Cold N. Holefield September 10, 2015 at 2:29 pm #

    I thought all the glaciers melted. You forgot the conclusion. Gene goes back to his cabin and beats off before falling asleep never to wake again.

    • elysianfield September 10, 2015 at 7:36 pm #

      “Gene goes back to his cabin and beats off before falling asleep never to wake again.”

      Considering the many horrible, undignified ways to die, Gene’s would be, indeed, amongst the least unfortunate of deaths. We could only pray for our demise in a similar manner…Inshallah!

  127. Cold N. Holefield September 10, 2015 at 2:33 pm #

    I think Baltimore would be a good place for the 10,000 Syrian refugees approved by BHO. It’s time for a sequel to The Wire. 10,000 to Turkey’s 2 million since the start of the Syrian Civil War BHO helped inculcate and perpetuate. But hey, Steve Jobs was a Syrian refugee, so pretty soon it’ll be raining Apples everywhere.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 10, 2015 at 2:48 pm #

      Yeah just put them all in one place and build a wall around it. One Czeck writer suggested using the old Concentration Camps for the Muslims. Concentrate the evil. A Cyst.

      • wpa--ccc September 10, 2015 at 3:14 pm #

        I know a guy who can build the wall… and even get Syria to pay for it. Building walls is evil and Trump is your guy. His favorite book is The Holy Bible.


        • Cold N. Holefield September 10, 2015 at 3:23 pm #

          What does the bible say about comb-overs? Isn’t it a commandment or something?

        • Q. Shtik September 10, 2015 at 7:17 pm #

          “Good fences make good neighbors” (Robert Frost) seems like an oxymoron, yet the sentiment appears in many languages.

  128. nsa September 10, 2015 at 2:41 pm #

    Just checking in to see how goes it on the WPAsoka blog…..very slow day here in Ft. Meade……am working up a game plan to upend two crappy rogue state enemies of the USA…..Israel and Saudistan.

    • wpa--ccc September 10, 2015 at 2:48 pm #

      Everything under control here, nsa. Go back to overthrowing democratically elected governments, drone bombing in violation of national sovereignties, and creating more terrorists who will take down the USA with multiple dirty bomb attacks, strategically placed, after waltzing across the sieve that is the southern border. Tomorrow is 9/11, one of you agency guys’ more memorable days.

      • Cold N. Holefield September 10, 2015 at 3:14 pm #

        Yikes. That one’s going to leave a blister, maybe even a 3rd degree burn.

  129. Q. Shtik September 10, 2015 at 2:45 pm #

    So you shared a cruise with well-off drunks enjoying their white privilege. – wpa


    Gene’s line was, of course, delivered for humorous effect but you’re essentially right about the skin color of the passengers. In this vast floating hotel there could not have been more than 5 black couples and none of them, it is safe to say, came from the ‘hood.

    • wpa--ccc September 10, 2015 at 2:55 pm #

      Would it have been as funny if the women reached out and each grabbed one of Gene’s balls?

      • Cold N. Holefield September 10, 2015 at 3:21 pm #

        I’m thinking yes. They were all sauced up and would laugh at anything — even someone falling over board never to be found. It reminds me of these folks from this famous scene. A crowd is a mob waiting to happen.

        How To Dance Without Arms

        Go Jeb!

  130. Q. Shtik September 10, 2015 at 3:12 pm #

    It is one earth. We all share it. – wpa


    No, not really.

    That’s just left-wing wishful thinking. What is actually happening and has been since the beginning of time is that people (clans, tribes, nations) march into an area and wrest it from others or, if uninhabited, just stake it out and then defend it as their own as if God had intended it so.

    That’s reality, Asoka, and you need to face it and accept it because it will not be changing in your lifetime or anyone’s lifetime including those not yet born.

  131. wpa--ccc September 10, 2015 at 3:27 pm #

    “What is actually happening and has been since the beginning of time is that people (clans, tribes, nations) march into an area and wrest it from others” –Q

    LOL! There used to be tribal war of all against all, as you describe.

    Then there were kingdoms and serfs. (serfs had no say in things).

    Then there were nations. Then nations with constitutions and elected governments.

    There there were regional multi-national alliances like NATO. 100 nations just united behind Obama’s deal with Iran.

    Then there is the United Nations and thousands upon thousands of international organizations, trans-national in nature.

    What century are you living in, Q? We are just a hop, skip, and a jump from one world, maybe in my lifetime.

    The reality is we all live on a blue marble (see NASA photos) without any political borders or names visible from outer space.


    • Frankiti September 10, 2015 at 8:33 pm #

      How many times are you going to parrot that “blue marble” drivel on one thread?

      The Basques have a saying that goes something like this:

      The Phoenicians came, and they left; the Greeks departed; the Carthaginians are no longer here nor are the Romans, now we have people called Spaniards, and they too shall disappear.

      • Bird Dog September 11, 2015 at 6:18 am #

        As a Basque I can assure you that we were quite happy to call ourselves Spaniards until the poison of brain-dead ideological nationalism made it unacceptable in certain circles, and if you didn’t want to get a bullet from ETA who are not fond of historical accuracy.

        The Phoenicians, Carthaginians, etc, never even really made it into the Basque mountains: too poor and tricky to control. ‘Land of cheese and wood’, not olives and silver.

        The Romans did at one point slaughter many of the Basque males, and marry the women to the legionaries who came from, of all places, Celtic Britain.

  132. Q. Shtik September 10, 2015 at 3:30 pm #

    I thought all the glaciers melted. – Cold


    Most are receding although some are growing and advancing. One of the glaciers we viewed is said to have been receding for more than two hundred years so it is not a new phenomenon. The scary part is the RATE at which it is receding. Currently at an average of 6 feet per DAY. As we watched I saw a half dozen chunks drop off (calving) into the sea and with a little time lag the loud crack sound would reach us.

  133. Janos Skorenzy September 10, 2015 at 3:32 pm #


    Dyke takes it up the ass. Pretty funny on one level since it reveals how racist Gays are. But yeah, a horrible precedent if sperm banks can’t sued for such “mistakes” – it’s hardly the first time btw.

  134. wpa--ccc September 10, 2015 at 3:47 pm #

    “Does that link still exist?” –Malthuss

    Malthuss, W4P is confused. It was a cat-eyed snake (Leptophis annulata), not a cat. Here is the link:


  135. Q. Shtik September 10, 2015 at 8:27 pm #

    Kunstler is right, it isn’t “racist” to want to preserve a national culture. For one thing, race and culture are two different things. – Volodya


    Definition of the word ‘race’ is one of the most disputed in all of lexicography mostly due to reasons of political correctness.

    Among the many nuances in the definition of race is the following:

    “a group of individuals who share a common culture or history”

    which does not agree with Volodya’s statement above.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 11, 2015 at 12:05 am #

      Bravo Q. The cold glacial air has refreshed thy wits. Write more Fascism before the Jersey fog damps you down back into your numbers, your crosswords, your Strunk and White, and your N.Y Times.

      • Q. Shtik September 11, 2015 at 3:26 pm #

        I don’t do crosswords…no good at it.

  136. wpa--ccc September 11, 2015 at 12:19 am #

    “How many times are you going to parrot that “blue marble” drivel on one thread?” –Frankiti

    Asking someone to use their eyes and look at a NASA photo of the blue marble is not exactly “parroting” … nor drivel.

  137. wpa--ccc September 11, 2015 at 2:06 am #

    Among the many nuances in the definition of race is the following: “a group of individuals who share a common culture or history” –Q

    How can you preserve “white national culture,” which does not exist. ‘White’ is not even a stable, biologically determined trait; it is socially contructed to preserve an oppressor status. There is no shared, common “white” literature, art, tradition, religion, clothes, song, etc.

    What whites share is white privilege and certain characteristics of a “white supremacy” culture: perfectionism, sense of urgency, defensiveness, quantity over quality, worship of the written word, paternalism, either/or thinking, power hoarding, individualism, objectivity, and a belief in a right to comfort.

    There is no such thing as “white culture” to preserve. Even the whites on CFN don’t share common religion, art, tradition, clothes, etc. without even going to the national level. We are 330 million in the US and the so-called “whites” in the US also do not share a common culture.

  138. wpa--ccc September 11, 2015 at 2:14 am #


    Obama has a phone, a pen, and 100 nations backing him up on his Iran deal. Obama no longer has to worry about congress. Obama’s victories over congress just keep piling up. Obama’s domestic and foreign policy legacies are now of historic proportions.

    WASHINGTON — The two-month Republican-led effort to kill the Iranian nuclear accord in Congress failed Thursday, after 42 Democrats filibustered a procedural vote related to the nuclear deal.

    “Today’s outcome was clear, decisive, and final,” said Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.). “There’s now no doubt that the United States Congress will allow this deal to go forward.”

    President Barack Obama lauded the vote as a “victory for diplomacy, for American national security and for the safety and security of the world.”

    • FincaInTheMountains September 11, 2015 at 6:36 am #

      There are certainly quite a number of achievements of President Obama, which most of the Americans voters cannot appreciate, not on the logical and conscious level, due to a general level of ignorance in the political affairs, art of governing large complex systems and available use of levers of power.

      Just to mention a few:

      1. Did not let Hillary Clinton or McCain to take over the red button in 2008. Peace Nobel Prize.

      2. De facto recognition of the integration processes in the post-Soviet space (Reset)

      3. Relief of the global financial and economic “Lehman Brothers” crisis by pumping liquidity into the bottom of financial pyramid (through social programs.)

      4. Created the system of financial control over insurance companies and “creative” financial instruments

      5. Reform of the CFE Treaty and the signing of START-3

      5. Cancellation of the deployment of SM-3 missile defense system in Poland and Romania (PRO focus on the marine component.)

      6. The refusal to bomb Assad Syria and legalize the bombing of Libya

      7. Resuscitation of Reset (meeting in Ireland)

      8. Resuscitation of Christianity in the United States (Easter breakfasts) and equating ISIS to the Crusades

      9. Radical improvement of public and railway transport + the introduction of new standards for energy-saving and “green” technologies (natural gas and electric motors, Tesla)

      10. Creating the conditions for accommodation of industrial production of the 5th generation in the United States and the return of high-tech jobs to the United States from China (reindustrialization of US)

      11. Creating a system of civil defense and the organization of inter-party cooperation in Emergency Situations. (Hurricane Sandy and Chris Christie)

      12. The killing of Osama bin Laden and removal of Bandar bin Sultan from power. Extended financial control system to Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

      13. Overcoming the budget crisis due to the need to raise the debt ceiling by reducing defense spending (put brakes on the printing press)

      14. Suspension of Hillary Clinton from the State Department and the beginning of the policy of “do not do stupid shit policy”

      15. Reform of the health insurance, which made the American labor uncompetitive

      16. Sabotaged the sabotage the Sochi Olympics

      17. Sabotaged the anti-Russian sanctions, which forced Angela Merkel to throw off the mask and to impose sanctions herself.

      18. The ban on arms to ukro-Nazi

      19. Transpacific Agreement on cooperation and control of the NAFTA

      20. Agreement with Iran to prevent war with Iran + participation of Iran in the suppression of the Islamic State.

      • elysianfield September 11, 2015 at 4:18 pm #

        Would the Russians trade Putin for Obama? If Putin could cobble up some documents, showing, for example, that he was born in North Dakota or Hawaii, he would be a more viable candidate for change in this country than the offerings from which we now must choose. Strong nationalist, and certainly not stupid….

        • elysianfield September 11, 2015 at 4:22 pm #

          And he certainly did a number on several of the Oligarchs in Russia….

        • FincaInTheMountains September 11, 2015 at 4:53 pm #

          Certainly not. He just does not seem a Russian type for the President.

  139. FincaInTheMountains September 11, 2015 at 5:38 am #

    Attention! Moscow is speaking!

    But they are-morally squalid psychopaths still hope … And suddenly a miracle happens! It can also hope? Hope, of course was not forbidden, but not very deep…

    All set of wonders has already been exhausted, all Soviet Unions are no more, all revolutions have already burned their offensive tire-fires all over the world. And dollars – these funny cartoon money, makes no sense to replicate, and to call this mediocre charlatan action with beautiful name – Quantitative Easing,,,, Treasuries … Well, well …

    You could throw a heap of dollars, but down still go, because the laws of physics have not been canceled. A habitual criminal set of tools and skills are virtually no more. All revolutions had been played out, all economies, which could be destroyed – have been destroyed, all states that were standing in the way are already burning down. Even dust and debris from the Twin Towers had disappeared. Only the total devastation and chaos remains in the world frightening with its ominous grandeur to the state of frenzy.

    And in the midst of this chaos, how ironically, in the same glorious city of New York, as if carried on the top of the crest of the tsunami of world ills and misfortunes, going around the planet several times the UN General Assembly rostrum stands. At its usual place, with the emblem of intelligent civilizations, on the green, life-affirming background … It will not be a prosecutor’s platform (not the time), but will provide an opportunity to draw conclusions and place accents.

    These accents are irrelevant to the illusory hopes and aspirations of our already familiar geopolitical criminals. Indeed, the main law of life sounds very succinctly: For everything in life you have to pay. True gentlemen pay for themselves! How true they are – that is the question…

    They will certainly try hard (and already are tripping all over themselves) in order to divert public attention from the upcoming major event of September 15, to distort its meaning with cynical vague political web of Western media’s lies and forgery. But this time they will not have such an enviable opportunity. We are well and diligently, in the most savage way, learned the harsh lessons of life! Through trial and error … This is the most effective lessons that are absorbed not only the mind and intellect but also transmitted genetically. From father to son, from mother to daughter … This is – Russia, which has never lost the war, and even its defeat through extraordinary ways turns into a triumph of the Victory!

    It is Russia that will attend the UN General Assembly in the person of its President.

    It is Russia that has something to say. Attention! Moscow is speaking!


  140. Cold N. Holefield September 11, 2015 at 6:52 am #

    There Goes Alaska

  141. BackRowHeckler September 11, 2015 at 7:07 am #

    BBC says ISIS deploying mustard gas, Syrian Govt. deploying chlorine gas. Which one is worse? Might be mustard gas because they have video of kids in hospital covered with nasty blisters. But that also show dead people who suffocated from Chlorine Gas.

    Last night on PBS I heard a guest on Travis Smiley state Obama is running the most successful foreign policy program in the history of the United States. Travis Smiley heartily agreed.


    • wpa--ccc September 11, 2015 at 10:57 am #

      brh, this is why people like P4W should not fear “16 to 30 year old men” being among the refugees. To fear that people fleeing ISIS are ISIS is absurd on its face. There are screening, intense background checks, and vetting processes in place. We are talking about 10,000 Syrians fleeing violence. Remember 190,000 Vietnamese refugees came to the US and have successfully been assimilated. Acceptance of 10,000 Syrians is nothing.


  142. Cold N. Holefield September 11, 2015 at 7:53 am #

    Happy 9/11 everyone.

    I commemorate every 9/11 by rereading the timeless classic, The Pet Goat often erroneously referred to as My Pet Goat.

    • Q. Shtik September 11, 2015 at 11:04 am #

      I tune in here every 9/11 to be reminded by wpa/Asoka that “Islam is a religion of peace.”

      • wpa--ccc September 11, 2015 at 11:31 am #

        Q., you should be careful about aligning yourself with ISIS on a public forum. Your belief that Islam is a religion of violence supports the view of ISIS:

        On May 13, 2015, the Islamic State (ISIS) terrorist organization released an audio message from the group’s caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who asserted that Islam is not the religion of peace, but rather the religion of violence.

        ISIS is wrong. The world’s 1.6 Billion Muslims are peaceful people because they follow a religion of peace.

        From the Quran: “In the long run, evil in the extreme will be the end of those who do evil. For that they rejected the signs of Allah and held them up to ridicule.”

        The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That’s not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don’t represent peace. They represent evil and war.

        Don’t side with the terrorists, Q.

  143. FincaInTheMountains September 11, 2015 at 8:50 am #

    The Syrian Express

    August and September 2015 are marked by a significant increase in aid to the Syrian government from Iran and from Russia. Accelerated pace has already become legendary “Syrian Express”.

    The true cause of anxiety and anger of the Americans, apparently, is not that Russia came to Syria, but how she did it. United States were planned for massive Russian infantry against ISIS. The death of a large number of Russian troops, along with possible terrorist attacks on the territory of the Russian Federation would have to finally shake the internal situation in Russia.

    By the way, on September 8, Russia recognized the presence in Syria only of its military specialists, who, according to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, train Syrians in handling new types of technology. But for the troops of President Assad that is of great strategic help, not to mention the moral effect, which is almost more important. After all, the Syrian army is fighting for more than four years, and it is not hard to guess what a joy it caused a sudden increase in aid.

    Stopped against the resistance of government troops, the ISIS will have to look for exits to the sea coast elsewhere. Because to go to Turkey or Israel would be a suicide, there is only one way, very comfortable in all respects. This is the Gulf monarchies, which among other things have oil infrastructure. We should not forget that Arabia Peninsula is the cradle of Islam. In such a situation in a couple of years under the self-proclaimed Caliphate will be the entire Arabian Peninsula with the exception that the few Shiite areas. The price of oil will also soar to unprecedented heights.

    Blitzkrieg in the southern direction for the Islamic State is quite possible even for the reason that the morale of the army of Saudi Arabia is very low.

    There is some other option of transition troops Assad into successful offensive. Then, if the ISIS suffers defeat in Syria and will be squeezed out to Iraq, Islamists will have only one way – to win the Middle Eastern monarchies: Jordan, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, and possibly Oman. And to protect allies will be the responsibility the United States and Great Britain (in the case of Jordan – Israel), and not just by show-off bombings on camera, but by large presence of ground troops with all its attendant delights: large losses, costs and caustic glee on the part of Iran. By the way, Iran has every chance to get out of that particular geopolitical upheaval on the top.

    In fact, to create a new strategy, the White House will need time, but there is not much. Syrian trap is shut, leaving most of the players inside. The only question is who will manage to get out, and who will remain there forever.


  144. progress4what September 11, 2015 at 10:02 am #

    Wpasok – I will be more careful if you will be more logical.

    For example – there are plenty of borders on the “blue marble” view of Earth from space. Oceans, mountain ranges, and major rivers are clearly visible, for example. Logic demands that these be acknowledged.

    Even Peggy Noonan is capable of logic!


    Our political elites are playing tic-tac-toe. World events are playing chess. Europe will eventually be dominated by non-peaceful Muslims, if something doesn’t change, and quickly. And speaking of that – aren’t there lots of nuclear weapons under the control of the Brits and the French.

    One more question; weren’t the Germans under Hitler closely allied with the Arab world? Is Merkel facilitating something truly nefarious? Who thinks millions of young Syrian men in the heart of the German Fatherland is going to be a good idea – long term?

    • FincaInTheMountains September 11, 2015 at 10:17 am #

      ODESSA – Organisation der Ehemaligen SS-Angehörigen

      meaning “Organization of Former SS Members,” supposedly was an international Nazi network set up towards the end of World War II by a group of SS officers. The purpose of the ODESSA was purportedly to establish and facilitate secret escape routes, later known as ratlines, to allow SS members to avoid capture and prosecution for war crimes and to escape to Latin America or the Middle East.


    • Janos Skorenzy September 11, 2015 at 2:25 pm #

      Careful, you’re going astray. Remember Fascism means an intense pride in your own Nation and PEOPLE – an organic relationship like the mind and body. Inseparable. Hitler would never have considered any kind of grand replacement as is happening now – even if the alliance had been close, which it wasn’t. He was closer to the Japanese, but these two proud Fascist Nations would never have mixed up their identities with each other howsoever much they respected each other.

      To say Merkel is in the heritage of Hitler is to go full retard. Don’t follow BRH down this bumpy road to nowhere. If you really want to know, here it is. It’s hard to believe – and that’s exactly why they’ve gotten away with it so far.


      If you find this too much to chew, I’ll find you softer meat. Oriana Fallaci was told in the 70’s this was going to happen by an Arab politician. I’ll see if I can find it. She was a famous journalist who had covered stories all over the world. She came to realize the biggest story of all was happening and no one was talking about it. One day Arabs just appeared in City’s square and never left. More and more all the time after that.

  145. wpa--ccc September 11, 2015 at 10:40 am #

    “Europe will eventually be dominated by non-peaceful Muslims, if something doesn’t change, and quickly.” — P4W

    Is this your opinion, based on your fear or your prejudice, or do you have any evidence? The way to counter-act “non-peaceful Muslims” is to increase overall immigration. It is a fact that 65% of US Muslims feel Americans, first; only 45% of European Muslims feel French or German, first. Why?

    The reason Muslims in America have been less susceptible to anti-Western Islamist ideology than Muslims in France and other European countries is due to the fact that the United States, unlike most European countries, is a diverse immigrant society with a much longer history of absorbing non-European immigrants.

    Accepting more immigrants, creating a more diverse population, is the safest way forward.

  146. Q. Shtik September 11, 2015 at 10:44 am #

    Q, I will continue correcting errors until Jim threatens me with banning. – Sprawl


    A couple of months ago I was warned by JHK in a private email that if I did it one more time (corrected somebody) I would be permanently banned.

    I think it was the snarky way I sometimes went about it that pissed him off the most whereas your corrections are more professional. Keep up the good work.

  147. nsa September 11, 2015 at 11:07 am #

    Times change. The year was 9 AD and Varus entered the dark German Teutoburg forest with three legions to subjugate forever the Teutons and Huns. These proud and free tribes gathered and elected red haired giant Arminius (aka Hermann the German) as their leader for this battle and immediately marched out to confront the overconfident romans, who were used to subjugating the pathetic french and helvetion tribes. The German women reminded their men what was at stake, bearing their breasts to show what would suckle the offspring of their enemies if they failed to meet the challenge…and chanting “either come home behind your shields, or on your shields”. It took a week, but the Germans eradicated the roman army entirely….killing over 100,000 and capturing all three roman eagles. Surviving and wounded roman soldiers were roasted alive to appease their fierce Nordic gods. Thereafter, the always practical romans bought off the border tribes and fought skirmishes along the German border only when necessary. The German tribes reverted to their previous ways, squabbling with each other and living the way of free warriors on privately owned farms and estates.
    So how is it the modern german just lays down and bares his stomach like a submissive bitch dog? Could it be the loss of the bloodline? The Russian slavs gang raped and impregnated every German female from age 5 (russians have some standards) to 50, a common practice of conquering armies.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 11, 2015 at 1:57 pm #

      Yes, the Allies were major rapists – in fact the Russian army was ordered to “break their racial pride”. The soldiers from Central Asia were by far the worst saying “War good here” upon seeing the lovely maidens of the Rhineland.

      Imagine the opposite: if we had attacked Russia from the East, our boys would have had their way with the women of Central Asia en route to Moscow. What joy there could have been meeting our German brothers there! Getting access to the enemies women is one of the purposes of war – or at least a perk. But instead we chose the way of racial suicide, serving unknown masters so our Elite could share in the unholy profits they offered.

      The pathetic Churchill fought against the mass importation of Blacks in Britain after the war. He was shouldered aside. The fool had served his purpose – helping to destroy the Man who had really fought for Europe and the White Race.

  148. progress4what September 11, 2015 at 11:21 am #

    An army division is 20K men, aged 18-30. Merkel is allowing 800K “Syrians?” this year. Assuming 60% are military aged (a very low estimate – based on background shots from the “news”) that’s 480,000 Muslim males in ONE year. That’s the equivalent of 24 divisions – allowed into the heart of Germany, without a shot being fired.

    Numbers based evidence indicates Merkel (et al) are making an horrendous mistake – unless some other evil agenda is driving this – which seems more and more likely.

    The reason Muslims “feel?” accepted in the US probably has to do with lower overall numbers here in the States, and the sociological concept of tipping points.


    • wpa--ccc September 11, 2015 at 11:36 am #

      P4W, you, too, should be careful about aligning yourself with ISIS on a public forum. Your belief that Islam is a religion of violence supports the view of ISIS:

      On May 13, 2015, the Islamic State (ISIS) terrorist organization released an audio message from the group’s caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who asserted that Islam is not the religion of peace, but rather the religion of violence.

      ISIS is wrong. The world’s 1.6 Billion Muslims are peaceful people because they follow a religion of peace.

      From the Quran: “In the long run, evil in the extreme will be the end of those who do evil. For that they rejected the signs of Allah and held them up to ridicule.”

      The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That’s not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don’t represent peace. They represent evil and war.

      Don’t side with the terrorists, P4W. People fleeing ISIS are not ISIS.

      • progress4what September 11, 2015 at 11:42 am #


        I didn’t even try to read the above trollage, wapsoak.

        No point in engaging someone who will not acknowledge visible borders on a satellite view of earth.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 11, 2015 at 2:35 pm #

      Here’s the quote – it wasn’t to Fallaci but to the United Nations itself.

      In 1974 [Algerian President] Houari Boumedienne, the man who ousted Ben Bella three years after Algerian independence, spoke before the General Assembly of the United Nations. And without circumlocutions he said: ‘One day millions of men will leave the southern hemisphere of this planet to burst into the northern one. But not as friends. Because they will burst in to conquer, and they will conquer by populating it with their children. Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women.'”

      But go deeper. This man was obviously in on the Plan. Fallaci didn’t know – she was thrown off by the theory of Bat Yeor, an Israeli journalist. Yeor said that Europe was badly frightened by the Arab Oil cut backs and basically agreed to surrender then and there to Eurabia. This agreement really happened, but it was just an working out of the original Kalergi Plan.

  149. meargen September 11, 2015 at 11:38 am #

    Not a lot I can add this week. Looking at the Europeans being invaded (and that’s what it is. let’s drop the words ‘migrant’ or ‘immigrants’), it reminds me of Rome in 400 AD. the gothic tribes then invaded because of pressure from other eastern barbarians, and I think we can blame ISIS, but ISIS was partly a western/Saudi creation.
    Also, there is a serious case of abulia in Europe, abulia a clinical case of apathy. They’ve lost any kind of willpower, and the EU seems in league with corporate power to destroy the white race, and let’s be honest, a lot of whites, including many posting on this site, want it to happen. read Respail’s The Camp of the Saints. It’s here, now, except it’s Germany instead of France welcoming destruction.

    European leaders are bought by big money, and they have their cushy lives guaranteed, so they don’t care. Nor do we, nor does anyone. Oh, WE care, but we have no power. Of course, the Obama lovers on this site are happy. No matter that Obama is simply a tool of the corporations, a lot of you are content this unqualified, muslim (And he is, although not a very good one) academic is ending the country. We now live in a dictatorship, and probably some of you think it’s a good idea. There were people who thought when the Roman republic ended and became an empire, it was a good thing.
    When you realize, as I did, that the media in the west are not here to ‘tell the truth’, but are courtiers to the ruling class…it changes your mind. You see the truth.

    Like JHK says, most Americans live in a fantasy world, and no one’s waking up yet. Probably the best way to live now is to find a small town or group of people who share your views and mores, and band together. I wonder what kind of a community Clusterfucknation would be. If we all lived together, how would it work? Union Grove or Brecht’s City of Mahogonny?
    And would we defend it when the invaders come?

    • Janos Skorenzy September 11, 2015 at 2:44 pm #

      Well the Decadence may be natural, but it has also been encouraged, augmented and orchestrated. This man came up with the Plan – and the Freemasons and the Jews loved it and financed it.


    • Buck Stud September 11, 2015 at 11:43 pm #

      ” I wonder what kind of a community Clusterfucknation would be.”

      It could probably work out OK providing everyone knows their place, For instance, Janos could sweep the shop floor and perhaps work his way up to sharpening some chisels. And maybe other skilled trades people/ could use a hand too.

      Sort of like Mordecai in “High Plains Drifter”.

  150. wpa--ccc September 11, 2015 at 11:52 am #

    Thank you, Works Progress Administration-Civilian Conservation Corps. — Sprawl

    Thank you, Sprawl, for addressing me correctly. Many here seem to be confused and mistake me for a long-gone poster. It would be tiresome to correct them each time; hence my appreciation for your correct form of address.

  151. wpa--ccc September 11, 2015 at 12:05 pm #

    There is an racist ignorance on CFN again this week: The belief that because Syrians are not Christian, and are brown, they are somehow dangerous. The ugly belief that Europe will be endangered by accepting Syrian refugees. The fear that Europe will not be white. The refusal to accept the prima facie evidence of 1.6 Billion devout Muslims that Islam is a religion of peace. If you want to stop the outflow of refugees, stop bombing, invading, and occupying Middle Eastern countries.

    The US has bombed or invaded or occupied 14 countries in the last 35 years. Let’s see who the US has bombed, invaded, or occupied: Iran (1980, 1987-1988), Libya (1981, 1986, 1989, 2011), Lebanon (1983), Kuwait (1991), Iraq (1991-2011, 2014-), Somalia (1992-1993, 2007-), Bosnia (1995), Saudi Arabia (1991, 1996), Afghanistan (1998, 2001-), Sudan (1998), Kosovo (1999), Yemen (2000, 2002-), Pakistan (2004-) and now Syria.

    And Islam is a “violent cult”? Christian white west, look in the mirror.

    You reap what you sow.

    • wpa--ccc September 11, 2015 at 12:09 pm #

      There is ^a^ racist ignorance on CFN again this week…

      • Q. Shtik September 11, 2015 at 3:41 pm #

        Here is how you made that error:

        First you typed “There is an ignorance on CFN again this week…”

        Then you realized you had left out the key word “racist” so you went back and inserted it but forgot that that required “an” to be changed to “a.”

    • Cavepainter September 11, 2015 at 11:57 pm #

      Wrong, the problem is simply that earth’s carrying capacity has been exceeded as has America’s. Just within this nation itself here will necessarily be lots of forced shifts in population due to climate change, taking on the rest of the globe’s rising numbers of desperate is beyond the question. Nature is not to be cajoled by moral debates over perceived wrongs of the past; its not the pearly gates we’re confronting but rather nature’s ruthless calculus about where remains survivability due to in-place balance of resources to population. Its a new game from here on of where does that balance remain and how to preserve it. America will be swamped as will Europe if the dreamy headed Liberal Left have their way of population redistribution.

  152. Cold N. Holefield September 11, 2015 at 12:35 pm #

    BHO’s Middle East policy is to the Islamic State (IS) what sugar is to cancer. The byproduct, and some including me would say is the goal, is a perpetual refugee crisis. Why” Because in dire times to come, factionalization and civil war Trumps (haha) revolution. Any collaborative threat is preemptively averted.

  153. wpa--ccc September 11, 2015 at 1:04 pm #

    “Any collaborative threat is preemptively averted.” –Cold

    Scapegoating based on skin color or religion or civil status plays right into the hands of TPTB who want factionalization and civil strife to keep us from uniting.

    Europe is doing exactly the right thing in welcoming refugees, as the last 40 years of their history of accepting Muslim refugees has demonstrated.

    United we stand. Divided we fall.

    Un pueblo unido jamás será vencido.


    • nsa September 11, 2015 at 3:06 pm #

      Well said…..welcome to Eurostan…….

    • Q. Shtik September 11, 2015 at 3:51 pm #

      I like the beat, It’s easy to dance to. I’ll give it a 98. (American Bandstand)

  154. Janos Skorenzy September 11, 2015 at 2:54 pm #

    Good introduction to Fallaci on the Euro-Muslim conspiracy to queer Europe into being Eurabia.


  155. wpa--ccc September 11, 2015 at 3:49 pm #

    “to queer Europe into being Eurabia” –Janos

    You say that like it’s a bad thing. The greatest period of European history was “La Convivencia” when Jews, Muslims, and Christians lived together in peace, learned together, and shared their learning with the world.

    Then Catholicism became the sole religion in the Iberian Peninsula and began expulsions and forced conversions. Damn Christians ruined it. But with any luck we will see “La Convivencia” bloom again. Angela is doing her part.

  156. Q. Shtik September 11, 2015 at 4:31 pm #

    President Barack Obama lauded the vote as a “victory for diplomacy, for American national security and for the safety and security of the world.” – wpa


    diplomacy: 3. skill in managing negotiations, handling people, etc., so that there is little or no ill will; tact

    Now read this article and tell me if you would shake hands on a nuclear deal with a diplomat as un-tactful and filled with ill will as Iran’s supreme leader.


  157. Q. Shtik September 11, 2015 at 4:45 pm #

    to queer Europe – Janos


    definition: to convert Europeans into homosexuals

    Very politically incorrect to use the word queer, Janos. ;o)

    • Janos Skorenzy September 11, 2015 at 6:19 pm #

      I love that Gay has come to mean fatuous or ridiculous. That’s the folk mind fighting back against the Queer meme that it has been infected with. Join up – we’re just looking for a few good White Blood Cells.

      • Q. Shtik September 11, 2015 at 9:15 pm #

        You’re right about this. Just the other day I heard a young kid (too young to have any concept of sexual orientation) use the word gay in the manner you describe.

  158. FincaInTheMountains September 11, 2015 at 4:58 pm #

    “I tune in here every 9/11 to be reminded by wpa/Asoka that “Islam is a religion of peace.” — Q

    Islam, shmislam…

    What religion has to do with 911? Maybe religion of Money. Golden Calf and all that…

  159. FincaInTheMountains September 11, 2015 at 5:04 pm #

    “Remember Fascism means an intense pride in your own Nation and PEOPLE” — Janos

    So what if it rapidly turns to Nazism and justification of extermination of “inferior” people.

    Fascism as well and Nazism belongs only in one place – Nuremberg’s gallows.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 11, 2015 at 6:17 pm #

      If people don’t feel their people are special, then how will they compete against fanatics who do – like Muslims and Jews for example? Or Han Chinese and Hindus? That’s almost all the world right there. So do Blacks and Gypsies while we’re at it. God knows why, but they think they’re great.

      Your tolerance is nothing but an attempt to ease Western Civilization into its Globalist Grave.

  160. FincaInTheMountains September 11, 2015 at 5:16 pm #

    The European refugee crisis is the result of “social engineering.”

    Translated into English – a massive American operation to undermine the EU (well, it was not possible through TTIP, find a plan B), which is carried out with the support of some European politicians in the pocket of NSA.

    The TTIP negotiations are not going well for the American side:
    the supranational “arbitration tribunals” that were supposed to be private and breaking any European law over the knee are not private anymore, but public and subject to European law. This solution is the middle finger shown the pro-American lobby.


    • wpa--ccc September 11, 2015 at 5:22 pm #

      You have a fantastic imagination, Finca.

      • FincaInTheMountains September 11, 2015 at 6:34 pm #

        So do 150 millions of other Russians.

      • FincaInTheMountains September 11, 2015 at 6:46 pm #

        There is one axiom in politics: whatever the fuck politicians are talking about, they always thinking about the money.

        American number one problem right now is re-industrialization and getting rid of massive import dependency, specifically Chinese.

        Shale oil is one thing, but not enough. You need American-based manufacturing. Unfortunately, American consumer market is not strong enough and not big enough for such tremendous undertaking – moving the industries back, especially hi-tech. Americans need a bigger market, and the last one still standing in the world is (so far) rich EU.

        EU is targeted with TTIP for devouring my American-based multinationals, in return for moving jobs back to US.

  161. Q. Shtik September 11, 2015 at 5:43 pm #

    Remember Fascism means an intense pride in your own Nation and PEOPLE – an organic relationship like the mind and body. Inseparable. – Janos


    That’s a nice façade you have painted on the word fascism, Janos. Unfortunately, as always, the devil is in the details.

    I stumbled across a complete verbatim definition of fascism as written by its creator, Mussolini, (and subsequently translated into English) for the Italian Encyclopedia in 1932. It is too long for me to re-type here and I don’t know how to get a link for it since I found it on my ‘dumb’ phone. If I can find it again on my computer I’ll copy and paste it. Then readers here can judge for themselves if this is the form of government they would choose for themselves and their grand children.

  162. wpa--ccc September 11, 2015 at 6:34 pm #

    “…The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone….

    …For Fascism, the growth of empire, that is to say the expansion of the nation, is an essential manifestation of vitality, and its opposite a sign of decadence. Peoples which are rising, or rising again after a period of decadence, are always imperialist; and renunciation is a sign of decay and of death. Fascism is the doctrine best adapted to represent the tendencies and the aspirations of a people…”



    • Q. Shtik September 11, 2015 at 9:42 pm #

      I’m glad to have read this complete definition of fascism from its very source. It helps me to understand why Hitler stayed true to Il Duce even though Mussolini was portrayed as a kind of useless fuck-up in Rise and Fall.

  163. Q. Shtik September 11, 2015 at 8:59 pm #

    Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention… the security process at Anchorage Airport when leaving to come home was beyond over-the-top:

    Everyone except people over 75 had to remove their shoes. Not sure what document was needed to prove you were over 75 but, in any case, I was 2 months short. Neither Newark, Chicago, or Denver bothered with shoes.

    EVERYTHING had to be removed from your pockets and placed in the plastic tray… even a napkin and a packet of sweet and low.

    Having successfully run the gauntlet, my wife got well ahead of me and was putting her shoes back on. My tray of stuff passed through the xray machine but I flunked and was being thoroughly wanded… and sent back and forth a few times through the people xray.

    I was causing a backup and had to stand aside while the less threatening people piling up behind me were processed. Then a DEA guy said “your wife down there… she is your wife, right?” says this (a 2″ x 1″ rectangular money clip) belongs to you… is that correct?” “Yeah, why” I say. He opens from the clip’s side (like a poor man’s Swiss Army knife) a dull blade that wouldn’t cut warm butter 1.5″ long by 3/8″ wide and looks at me like it was a Machete. The gold plated money clip had been my brother’s for 45 years (it was a gift for 10 years of service from an employer back in the day) so it had sentimental value (he died suddenly on Sept 17 last year) so I walked 50 yards to a special counter in my stocking feet and had it mailed to my home at a cost of $9.25. It arrived in today’s mail.

    If you need to pass through Anchorage Airport don’t even THINK of carrying a bottle of water exceeding 2 ounces.

  164. Q. Shtik September 11, 2015 at 11:40 pm #

    “The White House is considering **sheltering** more Syrians in the United States.” Me quoting a picture caption in Wednesday’s NYT


    In a letter to the editor of the Times I implied that the word “sheltering” was a shameless euphemism. Now, today, I read “U.S. to **Take In** More Syrians”

    Specifically the paper now says “…the U.S. will **accept** **at least** 10,000 displaced Syrians in the next fiscal year…”

    Two days ago the White House was **considering**.
    Two days ago the number was 10,000, now it is **at least** 10,000. Two days ago we were going to **shelter** these Syrians but today we are going to **take in** and **accept** these Syrians.

    I absolutely positively guarantee that far more than 10,000 will be taken in, will be made legal citizens, and will never return to Syria unless it’s on vacation 20 years from now.

    What about all the legitimate applicants for legal immigration who have been patiently waiting in the queue? I guess they’re just fucked. The U.S. has more important fish to fry.

    • Cold N. Holefield September 11, 2015 at 11:42 pm #

      I always figured you for a guy who swipes packets of Sweet & Low. It’s a Jersey/Pennsylvania thing.

      • Q. Shtik September 12, 2015 at 12:27 am #

        Yeah, I swipe napkins too.

    • Q. Shtik September 12, 2015 at 12:20 am #

      Oops, just got to page 10 where there is yet another article on this subject and the term used in this one is **resettlement.**

  165. wpa--ccc September 12, 2015 at 12:14 am #

    “I absolutely positively guarantee…” –Q.

    LOL! Just like you said in Jan. 2014 that Bridgegate would be absolutely positively forgotten by the time the thermometer hit 90 degrees in 2014. Nope.

    Bridgegate is still in the news almost every day eighteen months later.

    Christie should not even be allowed in the debates since he is polling at 2%. Rachel Maddow took down Christie when she broke the Bridgegate scandal. I guess people don’t like bullies, especially not corrupt bullies.

    Bridgegate corruption trial delayed until next year
    NJ.com-5 hours ago
    NEWARK—The trial of two former associates of Gov. Chris Christie charged with orchestrating the shutdown of toll lanes at the George Washington Bridge as …

    Trial Put Off Until March For Christie Associates Accused In …
    CBS Local-3 hours ago

    With United CEO’s resignation, Bridgegate comes back
    USA TODAY-Sep 9, 2015

    EDITORIAL: Long road ahead over Bridgegate
    Daily Record-Sep 10, 2015

    Judge moves Bridgegate trial to March
    In-Depth-Philly.com-12 hours ago

    Chris Christie is still gridlocked by Bridgegate scandal two years later
    In-Depth-The Guardian-Sep 9, 2015


    • Q. Shtik September 12, 2015 at 1:19 am #

      It just goes to show how worried the left was over CC’s successes; They had to incessantly keep up firing the big guns…… and what is the outcome thus far: Christie is not behind bars and he is running for president.

      Of course we have discovered that what passed for brashness and bullying turned out to be as soft as a cat’s ear and now he has been thoroughly Trumped.

      • elysianfield September 12, 2015 at 11:38 am #

        I could be wrong, but I always viewed New Jersey as possibly the most corrupt and mobbed-up state in the union…could any politician reaching high office from that state not be totally corrupted?

  166. wpa--ccc September 12, 2015 at 12:33 am #

    CORRECTION : Christie polling at 1%

    Trump and Carson lead Iowa poll as Christie brings up rear
    NJ.com-18 hours ago

    Chris Christie, who has said that his campaign depends on doing well in at least one of the early states, polled just 1 percent


  167. Q. Shtik September 12, 2015 at 12:37 am #

    I guess people don’t like bullies – wpa


    We aren’t sure whether wpa is male or female.
    We aren’t sure whether wpa is black or white.
    But now we are sure that wpa is blind.

  168. wpa--ccc September 12, 2015 at 12:46 am #

    Hillary Clinton Losing to Sanders in Iowa: Polls
    In-Depth-NDTV-22 hours ago

    Sanders’ newfound mainstream popularity suggests Americans are changing their views on socialism.

    For many younger Americans, that appears to be the case, according to University of Massachusetts, Amherst economics professor Richard Wolff, who said the socialist label is not nearly as scary as it once was.

    “For people 30 years of age and younger, saying, ‘Bernie Sanders is a socialist’ cuts exactly no ice,” Wolff told VOA. “It’s useless. It doesn’t persuade anyone.”


    • Q. Shtik September 12, 2015 at 1:26 am #

      Sanders’ newfound mainstream popularity suggests Americans are changing their views on socialism. – wpa


      I think what it suggests is that Americans are changing their views on Hillary.

      Of course, when the young have so little why wouldn’t they favor something-for-nothing socialism?

  169. wpa--ccc September 12, 2015 at 2:13 am #

    “when the young have so little why wouldn’t they favor something-for-nothing socialism?” –Q

    Bernie Sanders has never proposed “something for nothing” because everything Sanders has proposed will be paid for… by tax hikes on the rich, the price of civilization. I know you don’t like him, Q., but at least don’t misrepresent socialism. Redistribution works, even though you don’t like it.


    Washington (CNN) Bernie Sanders says America’s wealthiest individuals and large corporations would face tax hikes if he’s elected president.

    The Vermont senator who’s closed the gap on Hillary Clinton in the Democratic presidential race said Sunday he’d use that money to pay for infrastructure, job creation and college costs.

    In an interview with CNN’s Jake Tapper on “State of the Union,” Sanders complained of oil subsidies, companies stashing revenue overseas to avoid taxes and billionaire investor Warren Buffett’s secretary paying a higher tax rate than he does.

    “Clearly, that has got to change,” Sanders said.

    He said the United States needs rules that would “dampen down the speculation on Wall Street,” and that he’d like to break up Wall Street’s biggest financial institutions.

    And, he said, he’d “substantially” raise taxes.

    “Yes, we have to raise individual tax rates substantially higher than they are today because almost all of the new income is going to the top 1%,” Sanders said.

    “And yes, those folks and large corporations will have to pay under a Sanders administration more in taxes so that we can use that revenue to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, create the jobs we need, make sure that every kid who has the ability is able to get a college education in America because public colleges and public universities will be tuition-free,” he said.

    Asked about the type of people who would make up his cabinet, Sanders ticked off the names of three liberal economists: New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, Nobel Prize-winner Joseph Stiglitz and former Bill Clinton labor secretary Robert Reich.

    • Florida Power September 12, 2015 at 10:24 am #

      If Sanders wins and hires Krugman Stiglitz and Reich you can bet they will take their marching orders from the 1% who will remain unscathed by the tax hikes which will fall on the poor slobs who make up what’s left of the great middle. It has always been thus.

      I’d have more respect if Bernie vowed to abolish the IRS, or at a minimum replace 99% of its workforce with robots. Of all the FedGov agencies the IRS is the most ripe for automation.

      But of course Bernie would never do this because he is at heart a Big Government type — after all he’s been plugged into it for 34 years — and those jobs are a form of workfare. Certainly Krugman would add as many government jobs as his imagination could contrive.

      So sorry. We are entering a time of crisis of confidence in socialist government. Trump is symptomatic of this unease, as is Sanders, ironically. The workforce participation rate continues to deteriorate. Those on some form of public assistance remain at stubbornly high levels. The mathematics of pension plans and social security are problematic at best. The old Progressive-New Deal government-by-agency paradigm is at an inflection point and you can bet it will fight for its life. Socialist government is no longer just the arbiter between Big Business and Big Labor as in the good old days of the WPA and the CCC. It has become an interest group in and of itself. Great Society, indeed! How’s that War on Poverty going? That War on Drugs? Maybe if the government declared a War on Wealth and Prosperity we’d see our fortunes flourish.

      • Cold N. Holefield September 12, 2015 at 11:35 am #

        Wow, this is the most excellent post I’ve seen deposited in this space ever. A perfect, concise, power-packed rebuttal to astroturfed propaganda. The only thing I would add is that The Gubmint is now a fully-minted division of Big Bidness considering Citizens United. It has been for a while, increasingly so, but with Citizens United that relationship is now codified into law and set in stone. There’s no going back — only forward straight to hell.

        How do you like it now, Ladies?


        • Florida Power September 12, 2015 at 7:17 pm #

          Why, thank you very much CNH. CFN is a literate board with diverse opinion and a tolerant host. Perhaps we are moving the cultural needle, ever so slightly, mark by mark.

    • Q. Shtik September 12, 2015 at 11:16 am #

      Bernie Sanders: An old Jewish Robin Hood.

      All I can say to his proposals and his 3 prospective cabinet members is OMG.

  170. Janos Skorenzy September 12, 2015 at 4:14 am #


    The complete failure of Liberal Government now apparent. They have failed to secure our borders – their most basic job under the social contract. Nay more: they have actively aided these aliens in breaching the borders and are prepared to take care of them using our funds. The Social Contract is blown to smithereens. They have no right to elect a new people. Pure Tyranny.

    And some loathsome idiots call this fascism. Such shit for brains can rot in hell. This is the kind of supernatural stupidity that has allowed the evil to grow to monstrous proportions.

    • FincaInTheMountains September 12, 2015 at 5:21 am #

      You know what pisses me off in the European refugee crisis? A lot of things. But the main thing – we, the ordinary citizens, have a very important role to play. Mainly – the role of suckers and idiots.

      • malthuss September 12, 2015 at 7:01 pm #

        Thanks for a short post.

        Id add ‘host to the parasites.’

    • Q. Shtik September 12, 2015 at 11:41 am #

      If this isn’t The Camp of the Saints, what is?

    • malthuss September 12, 2015 at 6:59 pm #

      On another topic, How did Boas manage to fool people?

      • Janos Skorenzy September 13, 2015 at 5:15 pm #

        Because he was a Jew financed by other Jews.

  171. FincaInTheMountains September 12, 2015 at 5:28 am #

    I stand behind my previous analysis of the refugee situation in Europe: a massive American operation to undermine the EU which is carried out with the support of European politicians in the pocket of NSA.

    If current immigration laws and procedures would be applied, there would be no crisis, period.

    Somebody is exerting a lot of influence to prevent European authorities to apply their own laws.

    It reminds me of Maidan in Kiev in 2013, when Molotov cocktails were thrown at the police and police just received a stand down order.

  172. FincaInTheMountains September 12, 2015 at 7:56 am #

    Migrants have rebelled against Hungarian authorities: PM Orban

    BUDAPEST: Migrants have rebelled against Hungarian authorities, seized railway stations and rejected registration in the past few days, Prime Minister Viktor Orban said Friday, adding that police will take tougher action from next week.

    “Considering that we are facing a rebellion by illegal migrants, police have done their job in a remarkable way, without using force,” Orban told reporters after meeting Manfred Weber, chairman of the European People’s Party group in European Parliament.

    Orban said that from Sept. 15, when tough laws on immigration take effect, those migrants who cross Hungary’s border illegally will be arrested.


    Orban is realizing that he’s dealing with foreign-organized planned invasion and his direct duty and responsobility are to protect the Nation’s borders

  173. Cold N. Holefield September 12, 2015 at 9:23 am #

    Remember the slogan of the right and far right to justify the military invasions and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan? It was “we have to fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them here.” So much for that slogan. Soon enough, considering the the now unending Middle Eastern refugee trail of tears to Europe, those who arrogantly and boldly boasted that slogan will now be fighting “them” “here.” Who do you think these two smug bastards are laughing at? You, that’s who, you numb nuts. And I am too.


  174. Q. Shtik September 12, 2015 at 12:11 pm #

    Of all the FedGov agencies the IRS is the most ripe for automation.- Florida Power

    Agree with most of what you wrote, FP, except ^this.^

    Read The Pale King by David Foster Wallace, a book completed after his death by his editor/publisher. The insane INCOME based tax system is far too complex and ever-changing and therefore could not be automated. What is needed is a single % rate system on consumption – i.e. a relatively large sales tax. Every dime spent gets taxed. I believe presidential candidate, John Kasich (who, of course, hasn’t got a prayer) favors such a system.

    • Florida Power September 12, 2015 at 5:46 pm #

      Q — I was being somewhat metaphorical in “abolish the IRS” and automate it. Indeed, because lawyers are involved in the present scheme there are words as well as numbers in the tax code stew and words do not admit quantification: the job of the lawyer is to persuade via the quality of eloquence.

      Perhaps Capex and O&M really are two distinct categories of being but in my world they drive decisions that impact whether work gets done or not.

      There must be a better, simpler way but just as the IRS workers will resist replacement by machines the Tax-Industrial-Complex will resist being legislated out of existence.

  175. Q. Shtik September 12, 2015 at 12:32 pm #

    could any politician reaching high office from that state not be totally corrupted? – elysianfield


    I don’t know, it’s possible.

    But I think NJ gets a bad rap via popular culture – shows like the Sopranos and Boardwalk Empire. And NJ becomes the punch line of many jokes because every visitor northbound on the Jersey Turnpike on his way to NYC passes thru the armpit of stinking refineries from roughly exit 12 thru 16. This is everyone’s concept of NJ. Of course, there’s the problem of Newark, Camden and Atlantic City and their history of political corruption.

    Let’s face it, wherever there are politicians there will be corruption… even in Podunk, USA.

  176. volodya September 12, 2015 at 12:45 pm #

    Q, yeah, there’s lots of disputation over what constitutes “race”, whether it’s strictly a biological classification or whether it’s about shared culture and history.

    In any case I was using “race” as skin-color classification. Then again you’d get arguments over whether “race” has any biological validity. Some bona-fide scientists and medical people say yes and others say no.

    I say that race and culture are two different things as you see people of one color adopting cultural elements associated with people of different coloration. Jazz, as a musical form, is one example. Christianity and Islam are two others.

    Blacks and whites in the US also have a common and shared history albeit an often unhappy one.

    If, as you say, a “race” is a group of people who share culture and history, and blacks and whites share a common culture and history in the United States, does that put them into the same racial group? Maybe that would be an “American” race.

    There’s a lot of racial inter-mixing anyway, blacks having a lot of white and amerindian blood in their family tree. Same goes for American whites and Amerindians.

    If you want to shit-can the whole concept of “race” that’s probably fine too. Maybe we should talk about “citizenship” or “ethnicity” or “nationality” instead as a classification.

    • Q. Shtik September 12, 2015 at 1:21 pm #

      and blacks and whites share a common culture and history in the United States, – Volodya


      Amazingly, despite sharing the same time and roughly the same space, blacks and whites DON’T share the same history and definitely not the same culture. And they largely speak a different language or at minimum a different dialect.

      THIS IS THE PROBLEM. Blacks have not assimilated. Is this because they can’t or they won’t? You tell me.

      • elysianfield September 12, 2015 at 6:14 pm #


        ” Blacks have not assimilated. Is this because they can’t or they won’t?”

        I would say that before the 1960’s, they couldn’t, and after the 1960’s, they wouldn’t….

        • Janos Skorenzy September 13, 2015 at 3:17 am #

          People whose IQ is 85 live in a different world than you. They can’t assimilate now because their intellect just isn’t sufficient. The intellect doesn’t stand alone – with it goes character, morality, world view, and culture.

          • elysianfield September 13, 2015 at 11:41 am #

            “The intellect doesn’t stand alone – with it goes character, morality, world view, and culture.”

            Well said.

  177. Q. Shtik September 12, 2015 at 1:05 pm #

    From today’s NY Times. These stats should set your hair on fire:

    “About 295,000 babies were born in 2013 to undocumented parents, about ***8 percent of all births*** in the United States that year, according to a study by the Pew Research Center. The number of babies with at least one parent in the United States illegally declined from a peak of about 370,000 in 2007, Pew found. In all, at least 4.5 million children who are American citizens because they were born in the United States have an undocumented immigrant parent. Donald J. Trump, a contender for the Republican presidential nomination, recently stirred debate by calling for a repeal of the constitutional right to birthright citizenship. He said he would deport the 11 million undocumented immigrants in the country and their children, even if they are citizens.”

    Note, the anchor baby rate of births in 2007 comes to more than 10%.

  178. wpa--ccc September 12, 2015 at 1:28 pm #

    “What is needed is a single % rate system on consumption – i.e. a relatively large sales tax. Every dime spent gets taxed.” –Q

    If you really believe what you are saying, then every dime spent to purchase a single share of common stock should be taxed. I don’t believe you really mean what you say.

    Tax the idle rich! Tax every dime of their investment portfolios! Tell them it was Q.’s idea.


    Bernie 2016!

    • Q. Shtik September 12, 2015 at 3:46 pm #

      If I have $1000 in a savings account at bank A earning .125% a year and I hear that I can get .25% at bank B down the street so I close the bank A account and open one with the same money at bank B, would you consider that a purchase?

      I’ll answer for you…..NO, it’s an investment. Same with the purchase of stock.

      Now, because I’m thinking about wpa and all the people he has pissed off at CFN, and I’m thinking about that grizzled old guy in Anchorage who sells holsters, I get a hankering to own a Glock so I pull the $1000 plus accumulated interest and buy one. This is when I pay the tax on the purchase price at, say, 20%.

      And then I hire a private detective to find out where wpa lives and I pay him his fee plus 20% tax.

      See how that works?

      BTW, why do you assume the rich are idle. Most of them are probably so busy in their “getting” that there aren’t enough hours in a day. The government will rake in lots of dough when the rich buy their next yacht. The idle poor will be taxed very little since they have so little to spend.

  179. wardoc September 12, 2015 at 1:43 pm #

    The more I hear and read, it is fully apparent that the pussy liberals who want to ‘live in peace’ with the islamics, and, above all, be politically correct at all costs, have no conception of the historical context of the aggressive neo-Ottoman Empire that nearly defeated europe in the recent past.

    I even talked recently with a locally ‘powerful’ female doctor, very liberal and claiming to be ‘caring’ about people, who claimed that the maniacs who are beheading children and performing clitorectomies on young women are just a TINY minority of the islamics and that most are nice people and in no way support such barbarism. Her head is obviously up her ass and she doesn’t even know it and is uneducable.

    Marco Polo, one who should know, once said, the nice islamic is the one who holds you down while the fanatic islamic cuts your head off.

    If Western Europeans, regardless of ethnic background, don’t wake up soon, we’ll be living in a sharia nightmare from which we cannot awake.

    Happy New Year

  180. wpa--ccc September 12, 2015 at 3:31 pm #

    “I would like very much to find out who called Angela Merkel and told her to take in nearly one million enemy invaders (50 divisions) ” — pequiste


    That might have been me. The idea was mentioned in a casual manner. I was surprised, but pleased to learn she had acted in such a magnificent and humanitarian way.

    They are not invaders. They are not soldiers. They are not terrorists.

    They are families, including hard working quite well off families, who want to live in peace. May the peace of God be upon them. And may God bless Angela for her wisdom and compassion.

  181. FincaInTheMountains September 12, 2015 at 3:58 pm #

    “What is needed is a single % rate system on consumption – i.e. a relatively large sales tax. Every dime spent gets taxed.” –Q

    How could a grown-up American come up with such dumb idea? Sure, if you want to eliminate even a hope of re-industrialization of US, collect “relatively large sales tax”.

    This time, I’d have to give it to wpa, why not collect a “relatively large sales tax” from the total on every stock, bond, derivative bought or sold, and by “relatively large sales tax” I understand just 1%.

    I am more generous than Mr.Q – I would allow for 2 million a year deduction from that sales tax, so if you trade normally for your own pension fund, most likely you get exempted.

    However, HFT traders get fucked.

    • Q. Shtik September 12, 2015 at 4:31 pm #

      I would allow for 2 million a year deduction from that sales tax, – Finca


      See, there you go again complicating things. You just don’t get the concept. No corporate tax, no state tax, no deductions, no exceptions, no exemptions, no tax returns, no tax accountants, no concern with how much anyone’s income is, no Taxes for Dummies, NO IRS.

  182. Q. Shtik September 12, 2015 at 4:11 pm #

    May the peace of God be upon them. And may God bless Angela – wpa


    Reminder: These are just common expressions; wpa is an atheist.

  183. MisterDarling September 12, 2015 at 4:33 pm #

    @ P4W & Co.;

    Regarding the following:

    “Mister D –
    Yeah, in extremis there are certainly women who can do combat as well as men. Our differences for this discussion would lie in how extreme those events become. . . If you HAD to do an organized draft of civilians, I’d guess (round numbers, made up on the fly) that out of 1,000 men aged 18-30; that you would get 100 very effective soldiers and 10 amazing killing machines. Out of 1000 women aged 18-30 what would you get?”-p4w.

    To answer this question I need to do a little unpacking. First off, I’m not comfortable with the term “killing machine” because it is grotesquely misleading. The people that I’ve known who were (hyperbolically) described that way were just very talented *technicians* with the usual load of personal issues, doubts etc. None of them functioned like a mechanism or ‘machine’, and (if you think about it) even a shark – supposedly “nature’s perfect killing machine” – has a personality. Personalities affect performance, sometimes in a way that transcends specifications, sometimes just the opposite. Bottom line is that they’re *people* and that has to be factored into any assessment or report that matters.

    Secondly, a 1000 draftees is going to be much closer to a truly random assortment of human talent than 1000 *volunteers*. In that case I’m comfortable applying 2 heuristic rules that withstand the test of time: The 80/20 Rule and The 2-Percent Rule. In short, that 80% of the work in any endeavor is done by 20% of the human resources, and that 2% of a random assortment of humans will be comfortable with combat conditions, are *fully* aware of that environment and best able to truly master combat skillsets.

    Applying the aforementioned to your scenario the breakdown looks like this: 200 ‘high functioning’ soldiers who are the work-horses of their units, 20 people very good at doing the actual killing & 780 draftees desperately trying to escape the situation they’re in any way they can (video games, drugs, masturbation, endless bullshitting about off-task subjects, etc.). Of these three groups, the ‘high functioning’ soldiers are the critical element. Through them the other two groups are regulated and kept on track.

    And if there were a similar number of female conscripts? I haven’t and as far as we know *we* haven’t seen this scenario unfold yet, we don’t have enough information about how a 1000 women would perform in primary combat-arms units (Infantry, Armor, etc.). We do know how they perform in combat-support units like Air-Defense Artillery however, and the evidence suggest that they do *very well* indeed. It is also acknowledged that women recruits are “easier” to train because “they follow instructions better” than young male recruits according to more than one Drill Sergeant.

    “My point is that post-peak-everything, US society would not have the resources to spend winnowing through both male and female populations – we’d have to stick with the male half.”-p4w.

    That assumes that “US society” still functions as a coherent nation-state and controls a large enough human-resource pool to conscript troops out of. If the ‘fit’ *really* ‘hit the shan’ then a community defense-force will have to take what it could get, training & equipping on the fly. This is what already happens when societies crumble, and what happened to a certain extent on the American Frontier in the past. At the very least women in the community will need to be cross-trained. If they’re not then said defense-force will have to divert a lot of resources to guard them. IF the US or a large portion of it remains, strongly consider women in combat-support roles and for Advanced Marksmanship and Sniper training.

    “If populations self-select (all-volunteer military) then US society might afford the time and resources for the follow-on winnowing process. The volunteer military, IOW, may be another of those peak everything things.”-p4w.

    I look at the question very differently. Many of the best-known fighting organizations were all-volunteer and represented extreme examples of self-selection. They were also some of the most cost-effective organizations and useful examples of what’s possible under post-Collapse conditions.

    Consider the Texas Rangers when they were first chartered by the Republic of Texas: “unique in western military history” they “fit no known category: they were neither police nor regular army nor militia”.

    Regarding their logistical support and compensation the Texas Republic “provided neither guns nor men nor mounts… uniforms, provisions or barracks”. The Republic of Texas few resources, almost nothing in terms of tax revenue in fact “the only thing that the government reliably provided, in its wisdom, was ammunition”.

    Ranger captains were elected on the basis of merit, they appointed lieutenant/executive officers and terms of service were task-oriented (3-6 months at a time). Hierarchy was nearly flat. Logistical trail was next to nil.

    Under the extremely inspired leadership of Jack Hays they learned and perfected the skills to beat the Comanches (and less dangerous foes) at their own game on their own turf, but to get there they lost a lot of young/unattached men. The Rangers in point of fact invented a new twist on the art of war – at high cost.

    And then… the Rangers as an organization *forgot* what they learned because there wasn’t enough organizational structure to retain the lessons-learned and jump-start subsequent cohorts of Rangers.

    By 1860 when Peta Nocona was rampaging across the west-Texas frontier killing everything in sight, the Texas Rangers were back at square-one: “There were things that Jack Hays knew in 1839 that Rangers in general still had not learned twenty years later”- S C Gwynne, Empire of the Summer Moon.

    So, the lesson here is that all-volunteer military units are possible and even *preferable* under post-collapse conditions. They can run leaner, learn quicker and IF properly constituted and maintained around a command-cell nucleus, get progressively better skilled, equipped & supported over time. If not, then it’s an up-n-down show.

    Regarding how women would fit into an organization like this: it has worked in the past (think of WW2 Partisan units for example) and it could work in the future – entirely dependent on the culture of the resource-pool and the direness of necessity.

    Hope this helps?


    • Janos Skorenzy September 12, 2015 at 4:50 pm #

      So after many, many words you reverse your original position and revert to common sense: men as soldiers and women only as part of the emergency home guard. The many words and length of time hide the reversal from many if not most. But some of us see through people like you – after having suffered from your persecutions. Because you only revert to common sense if forced to – otherwise you have your orders or directives to implement. That’s why Europe is falling. A few people at the top of pyramid have their own interests and the legions of bureaucrats dutifully implement the program of destruction and mayhem. Needless to say, you can’t see this because your intellect is nimble enough to argue anything. Years from now, your race (the Mandarins) will begin to argue for an end to Muslim immigration – as if it was always your position – but only after it has caused the unspeakable destruction the Elite desire.

      You simply don’t have a working moral compass. And your intellect will argue for which ever way your needle swings – it’s false North being the mandates that come down from the levels of the pyramid above you.

      • MisterDarling September 13, 2015 at 12:02 am #

        @ Janos & onlookers:

        “So after many, many words you reverse your original position and revert to common sense: men as soldiers and women only as part of the emergency home guard.”-j.

        Wrong. If anything I expanded the military role of women as far as facts & first-person observations would allow, while answering P4W’s questions at length.

        I’m sorry if your attention-span fades in and out at this end of your life?

        @ onlookers:

        The role of women in the military isn’t nearly as interesting as the other topic I touched on in my last post. If someone *else* wants to exchange views on that, just let me know.


  184. BackRowHeckler September 12, 2015 at 5:33 pm #

    What’s Obama going to do when a Russian MIG shoots down one of our F-16s in the skies over Syria? Apologize for getting in the way of one of their missiles? Offer to pay for the missile? Invite Putin for a beer summit?

    Russian forces are moving into the Middle East; like Finca insinuates, its a whole new ballgame now. Our media focuses on the Iran deal, ‘Obama’s Legacy’, ignoring the fact the whole world is melting down and WW3 seems to be right around the corner (whether Buck likes it our not) This is what happens when the most narcissistic member of the Choom Gang is elevated to leader of the free world. It took about 5 years to unravel, but was fun while it lasted.

    Saudi Arabia is offering to help Germany assimilate millions of Muslim immigrants … by building 200 Mosques inside the Reich. The serpent is stirring in the belly of the beast, folks, I don’t give a sh-t what kind of happy face BBC and CBS is putting on it, the world is marching to its last stand, year 0 is here, the Day of the Locust has arrived.

    How do you like it now, Gentlemen?


  185. Q. Shtik September 12, 2015 at 6:06 pm #

    just as the IRS workers will resist replacement by machines the Tax-Industrial-Complex will resist being legislated out of existence. – Florida


    Of course they will resist it. That’s why it will never happen. It makes too much sense.

  186. wpa--ccc September 12, 2015 at 6:09 pm #

    “Saudi Arabia is offering to help Germany assimilate millions of Muslim immigrants … by building 200 Mosques…” –brh

    I did not know this excellent news of collaboration between Europe and the middle east to meet a refugee crisis.

    Funny how conservatives have despised Europe (remember “freedom fries”?) … and now those same conservatives are so concerned about Europe becoming Muslim. No freedom of religion for Europe?

    Suddenly “the world is marching to its last stand, year 0 is here, the Day of the Locust has arrived” because Germany is accepting refugees in a perfect expression of the very western european christian values that conservatives supposedly embrace. Hypocrites!


    “Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.” –Jesus

    Every man is a piece of the continent,
    A part of the main.
    If a clod be washed away by the sea,
    Europe is the less.
    As well as if a promontory were.
    As well as if a manor of thy friend’s
    Or of thine own were:
    Any man’s death diminishes me,
    Because I am involved in mankind,
    And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
    It tolls for thee.

    –John Donne

    • BackRowHeckler September 12, 2015 at 7:25 pm #

      We’ll see how much longer central and western Europe remains ‘Christian’, and its citizens are permitted to discuss “Christian Values’, without being pilloried as racist and nativist by the EU elitist and the Grand Mufti of Berlin, Paris and London.


      • Bird Dog September 13, 2015 at 9:06 am #

        Discussion of Christian values is not really permitted in polite company in the EU already. Just as with patriotism.

        But this will be more than compensated for by the resurgence of Orthodox Christianity in Eastern Europe and Russia.

    • Bird Dog September 13, 2015 at 4:12 am #

      Europeans fought from the 8th to the 18th centuries to free themselves from Islam (the 20th if we include the Balkans), Islam strived in the same period to enslave them.

      Welcoming, feeding and nurturing the poison viper has never been a ‘Christian value’. To have done so would have been suicide.

      ‘Convivencia’ is largely a myth.

      Killing,enslaving and deporting them was indeed a policy of the Christian kingdoms. And a very wise one.

      No accommodation can be found with orthodox Islam. To imagine otherwise is a dangerous fantasy.

    • Bird Dog September 13, 2015 at 9:11 am #

      The Saudi-financed mosques: an insult and a taunt to Europeans, and a Trojan Horse.

      Donne: great poet, but a poor and platitudinous thinker.

  187. FincaInTheMountains September 12, 2015 at 7:01 pm #

    “You just don’t get the concept. No corporate tax, no state tax, no deductions, no exceptions, no exemptions, no tax returns” — Q

    No, it is you who don’t get the concept. State must have a say in preferable for common public good way of economic development. Income tax, with all its complications, is the most unobtrusive way of doing that, unless you prefer a commissar in leather jacket with a gun on his belt in every business. And yeas, you need a policing organ to insure compliance – the IRS.

    During my 20 years in States I ran several businesses, from very small to medium-sized, income tax was never on my list of biggest headaches. I’ve been audited several times, by Feds and by the State.

    • Q. Shtik September 12, 2015 at 7:51 pm #

      As you might imagine it would be impossible for me to lay out in a blog comment the complete set of details involved in a single percentage consumption tax plan. Whatever that percentage turned out to be the states would get their cut from it. There would probably be years worth of congressional debate and in-fighting to establish these things. However, as I have already stated it ain’t never gonna happen………not because it’s not a great idea but because there are too many people vested in the current setup.

      If it is such an obviously stupid idea why do you suppose the Gov of Ohio, running for Prez, would list this among his proposed goals?

      • FincaInTheMountains September 12, 2015 at 8:02 pm #

        Listen, Mr.Q, run a little arithmetic here and calculate what percentage of their monthly income people in the lower and middle income brackets are spending on food, clothing, medicine – the items that are subject to current sales tax, and then try to apply it to the highest bracket – percentage-wise you get a significant difference, probably between 4 to 20 times more poor people will have to pay in taxes – again percentage-wise.

        That would be the most regressive tax ever devised, leading to social instability.

      • FincaInTheMountains September 12, 2015 at 8:06 pm #

        And I bet you my bottom dollar, that the rich guys would buy their luxury yachts and luxury women in Bahamas, not subject to your stupid all-American sales tax.

      • FincaInTheMountains September 12, 2015 at 8:12 pm #

        What a wonderful idea!! Luxury consumption would just move out of United States, leaving the old good US of A for poor schmuck suckers feeding at McDonald and wearing cheap Chinese clothing from Wall Mart.

  188. FincaInTheMountains September 12, 2015 at 7:26 pm #

    “Russian forces are moving into the Middle East” — brh

    Russia for more than one month had strengthened its position in Syria, transferring specialists and technicians, but the leakage of it went just before the Berlin talks between Merkel, Hollande and Poroshenko.

    The Kremlin has finally made it clear to Europe that their European balls (that is if they have any) are in the steel Moscow’s grip. Putin felt ready to take away from lame-duck Obama his ISIS toy and begin to manage the flow of illegal migrants who are washing the European Union off the historical maps.

    The Kremlin’s goal is not to destroy the ISIS but to reformat it, first with extremely hard force, and then negotiate to transfer its activities from terrorist into the political plane, having an ally in the region.

    Putin has something that no one other politician in the modern world does – the experience of the successful pacification of ethnic, national, religious, separatist conflict (Chechnya, Indo-Pakistan conflict that almost went nuclear).

    In the first stage ISIS will receive courtesy lessons using the latest Russian weapons, mainly remote control, beat them the shit out with the highest possible losses from the territory of Syria that would be restored to its legitimate borders.

    The remaining bearded guys will be fed Altai buckwheat with Dagestan lamb, drink Kalmyk mare’s milk, will be put at the round table and receive an offer that they can’t refuse.

    • BackRowHeckler September 12, 2015 at 10:25 pm #

      That’s some hard talk, Finca.

      The elitist, international queers running the EU, on all 4s in their well appointed chalet-bunkers in the Swiss Alps, as well as their lapdogs back here in the States, frown upon that kind of talk.


    • elysianfield September 13, 2015 at 11:57 am #

      “The remaining bearded guys will be fed Altai buckwheat with Dagestan lamb, drink Kalmyk mare’s milk, will be put at the round table and receive an offer that they can’t refuse.”

      and they will be served from a silver tray, held by a velvet glove, containing an iron fist. No one ever accused the Russians of pusillanimous foreign policy…nor should they….

      America was once like that, but no more.

      How do you like it now, Gentlemen?

      • MisterDarling September 13, 2015 at 2:43 pm #

        “How do you like it now, Gentlemen?”

        I *don’t* actually.


  189. wpa--ccc September 12, 2015 at 7:29 pm #

    No, it is you who don’t get the concept.” –finca to Q.


    Finca, take it easy on Q. because he is a dreamer, an idealist, not a realist like us. He idealizes bullies, delights in political incorrectness, and has the luxury to do so because he lives in his own ivory tower.

    Q. also regularly demonstrates that he doesn’t know about money matters. By his own admission he is not interested in politics; hence his idealistic stance on the IRS.


  190. FincaInTheMountains September 12, 2015 at 7:53 pm #

    Biggest BS of all times, that most Americans believe in, that you need an income tax to pay for state expenditures.

    Income Tax is primarily an mechanism of regulating economic activities of the country in the “soft”, not-central-planning way, when the situation does allow for that.

    Unfortunately, I believe that United States are beyond that point currently – meaning you do need a central planning for period of at least 5 years, and strategic planning for a period of 20-25 years.

    Personally, I see the only feasible way right now is to return back to FDR “New Deal” policies, including Public Works and price and capital controls. The bills are rapidly coming due.

    • Q. Shtik September 13, 2015 at 12:16 am #

      price and capital controls. – Finca


      OMG, how many times must price and capital controls by tried before people realize they never work.

      • FincaInTheMountains September 13, 2015 at 4:14 am #

        It does at times (times of war? aren’t we in one?)

      • capt spaulding September 13, 2015 at 11:32 am #

        The same can be said for putting the Republicans in charge . They fucked it up before, & here they are knocking on the door again. People’s ability to forget all the screw-ups remains undiminished.

  191. Janos Skorenzy September 12, 2015 at 10:31 pm #

    If Liberalism is the philosophy of Western Suicide, then Fascism is the philosophy of Western Survival.


    • Q. Shtik September 13, 2015 at 12:23 am #

      then Fascism is the philosophy of Western Survival – Janos


      Tell me, who gets to be supreme dictator? How do we know he’ll be benevolent? How is he chosen? Who follows him when he dies, his son? I don’t think Mussolini covered these questions in his Encyclopedia definition.

      • Janos Skorenzy September 13, 2015 at 3:12 am #

        One must take the chance, eh? Isn’t all of life at best a calculated risk? Why put the onus on Fascism? Our current system has failed so we have to try “something else” – like maybe the Republic again? Brought in by a Warrior Lord like Washington? Like you, all the crowned heads of Europe winked and said, “There is a new Kingdom and a new King. They were shaken when he stepped down.

        Was it possible that he wouldn’t step down? Of course. But America took the chance and it worked out – for a time.

  192. Buck Stud September 12, 2015 at 10:37 pm #

    “The number of babies with at least one parent in the United States illegally declined from a peak of about 370,000 in 2007, Pew found–Q quote/cite from NYT.

    It’s pretty obvious that illegal immigration has been declining under President Obama since the peak illegal immigration moment under President Bush. Bush and the GOP were absolutely flooding the country with low wage undocumented workers.

    • Q. Shtik September 13, 2015 at 12:10 am #


      It is possible that illegal immigration has declined under Obama but it is not a conclusion that can be drawn simply because anchor babies were 10% in 2007 and were 8% in 2013. For example, the number of births per illegal female may have declined over that 6 year period. Please sign up for Logic 101 in a Jesuit University and it will all come clear.

      In any case, let me know when the % of anchor babies within the birth population drops to zero. Then I’ll be impressed.

      • Buck Stud September 13, 2015 at 12:38 am #

        “For example, the number of births per illegal female may have declined over that 6 year period.”

        You mean when ‘those who breed like cockroaches’ (according to some of the more venal racists on this site) are exposed/immersed into a higher economic realm (such as the U.S.) they–seemingly– no longer have so many offspring?

        Q, you’re like fingernails on a chalkboard for the CFN racists. After all, you seem to be inferring that economic conditions are more critical than innate racial instincts when it comes to “breeding”. Unwittingly, you contradict their cultural deficiency theories

        Beyond that, if you knew what you were talking about–despite your ‘Jesuit Logic’ posturing–you would realize that Democrats have implemented worker identification laws since President Obama took the helm. Laws that that inhibited the open arms/border policy of the Bush years and laws that have been near unanimously opposed by the GOP.

        But you don’t know what you’re talking about and assume that others are also operating from your same knowledge deficit. IOW, not a very logical assumption

        • Janos Skorenzy September 13, 2015 at 3:03 am #

          Buck, Buckminster, Bucky – you are quibbling about whether we go over the cliff at 60 mph or 80 mph. Both parties are committed to the transformation of America into a 3rd World Country with Whites as a despised and decreasing minority. Why any White would sign onto this agenda is the real mystery. That’s what we should be debating – not whether it is happening or which party is doing a better job at pretending not to be to blame.

          You certainly do have range, I’ll give you that. For a man so capable of inner richness, you spend a lot of time in the sterile basement of your Being. Is Hillary really worth such sacrifice? Or any sacrifice at all?

          Oh, you’re a Biden Guy! Oh do tell!

  193. Cold N. Holefield September 13, 2015 at 1:24 am #

    Q, I also have never liked the notion of taxing employee earnings. What an absurd notion — to tax a person’s hard work and productivity — to penalize them for being productive.

    However, a flat rate consumption tax is regressive, meaning that tax has a much more significant impact on the many who live on the margins and who are just barely scraping by, whilst it’s rather insignificant to the wealthy in comparison. I know you know this, so what gives? How much blood do you think you can extract from these poor rocks?

    Show me a plan to make your consumption tax progressive rather than regressive, and I’ll consider it and maybe even implement it if you voted for me for president with your dollars.

    • elysianfield September 13, 2015 at 12:17 pm #

      “Show me a plan to make your consumption tax progressive rather than regressive, and I’ll consider it…”

      A progressive sales tax has been described…called the “Fair Tax”. It’s salient feature is the payment, at the beginning of each year, to the citizens that pay tax, of their projected sales tax on all necessities of life…food, fuel, housing, etc. The payment is graduated in a manner inverse to your last year income…people in the lowest economic strata receive the largest checks…some over 100% of their tax burden. This consumption tax, as I recall, was in the neighborhood of 30% for all transactions.

      I read a book describing this proposal several years ago…I believe Rick Santorum had it as part of his platform… A quick Google search would probably better describe the system than my poor memory.

      • elysianfield September 13, 2015 at 4:12 pm #

        “I believe Rick Santorum had it as part of his platform… ”

        A correction, please. It was Mike Huckabee who made it part of his platform, not S*******m.

  194. FincaInTheMountains September 13, 2015 at 5:24 am #

    And if you look into the matter thoroughly, the whole structure of TTIP somehow suspiciously reminds of the same neocolonial stranglehold.

    Just as “food” will act not some unfortunate country from the far corner of the former colonial world, but the European Union itself (!).

    When the colonial world was created, Europe consumed the resources of the conquered countries. After the creation of the European Union, it consumed the resources and potential of the ex-Soviet countries of Eastern Europe.

    Today came the time for United States to feed of the potential of the European Union.

    That is – when you create a “free trade zone” between the European Union and the United States – the EU will lose only for the reason that the cost of its production is always higher than the US.

    And with the new load in the form of additional social spending for the sake of millions of new refugees, the EU economy is becoming completely uncompetitive vis-à-vis the United States.

    And no matter how much United States had been criticized for “the economy of financial speculation,” now have up to $3 trillion of GDP that is coming from real production. And this production needs market – such as still solvent EU.

    The point is the creation of huge new markets without the participation of China, Russia and other BRICS countries.

    According to some experts, the unification of markets of US and EU in the near future will lead to cancellation of their currencies – respectively, the dollar and the euro – with the transition to a new transatlantic currency.

    It will help cancellation of all debts denominated in dollars and euros, and start a new economic expansion.

    That is how high the stakes are that could easy justify the chaotization of EU.

  195. nsa September 13, 2015 at 10:53 am #

    You constantly overlook the geographic competitive advantage enjoyed by the USA (and now being squandered) as compared to your Mother Russia. The USA is essentially an island nation with serious blue water on the east and west….and soft pathetic fuckups representing no threat to the north and south. The USA is also both food and energy independent and could get along quite well as a free republic instead of an overextended dictatorial empire. The USA is still mostly populated by energetic and intelligent Caucasians. Now consider the plight of your beloved Russia. To the west, NATO has rolled right up to her border. The soft underbelly is threatened by the various central asian islamistans. The underpopulated east is being constantly encroached upon by various ethnics, mostly Chinese. Russia is blessed with unlimited natural resources and potentially the highest standard of living on the planet, but the population has been addled by alcohol, drugs, and tobacco. Average age of death for a Russian male is 64…..25% die in their 50s. Past 30 the women do not take care of themselves and quickly become unattractive babushkas……hence the reproduction rate is well under the 2.1 needed, so the population is declining and will not be able to defend its borders without utilizing their arsenal of neutron bombs. We here in Ft. Meade believe Russia and the USA are natural allies….and there is no reason anglosaxons and slavs should not cooperate to their mutual benefit….there are much greater ethnic threats to overcome.

    • FincaInTheMountains September 13, 2015 at 12:11 pm #

      “We here in Ft. Meade believe Russia and the USA are natural allies” — nsa

      Absolutely. There is a long and full of successes history of cooperation between Russia and the United States: League of Armed Neutrality by Catherine II of Russia helped young American Republic, cooperation of Alexander II of Russia with Abraham Lincoln during the American Civil War and two Russian Navy Fleets in New York and San Francisco to protect American shores, and above all, of course, the cooperation between Roosevelt’s America and USSR against Nazis during WWII.

      Currently, we are going through a bifurcation point in the history of our relationships, but I am sure it will be mostly behind us in short time and both Nations will determine the future vectors of their respective development looking into the future.

      We should watch the speech by V.Putin on the UN General Assembly which is scheduled, I believe, for Sept. 28.

  196. wpa--ccc September 13, 2015 at 12:31 pm #

    “We here in Ft. Meade believe Russia and the USA are natural allies” –nsa

    nsa, this is one of your best posts evah!

    Japan and Germany were enemies during WWII.
    Now Japan and German are friends.

    China was “Red China” a feared enemy.
    Now Red China supplies labor to support our economy.

    Russians were our enemies during the Cold War.
    Now Russians are natural allies.

    North Vietnam used to be a communist enemy.
    Now communist Vietnam is a trading partner.

    All those we label enemies will become friends.
    Our survival demands it.

    We here at WPA-CCC believe all nations, including Muslim nations, are our natural allies.

  197. FincaInTheMountains September 13, 2015 at 12:47 pm #

    Poroshenko: A large-scale demobilization is going now in Ukraine

    Poroshenko also thanked the Ukrainian heroes who fought for Ukraine.


    One down, two to go

  198. wpa--ccc September 13, 2015 at 12:53 pm #

    There goes Europe? What about the real Australia threat to the USA?

    Bill Maher: New Rule: Australian Migrant Headache


    • FincaInTheMountains September 13, 2015 at 1:33 pm #

      Bill “wash my mouth with soap” Maher.

  199. wpa--ccc September 13, 2015 at 1:18 pm #

    “If Donald Trump really wanted to make America great again, he wouldn’t build a wall, he’d build a mirror. Then maybe we would see that no one can “take” a job, someone has to give it to them. We could end our “illegals problem” tomorrow if we decided to stop hiring them. But no, we talk of walls to protect us from people so dangerous that we can’t stop ourselves from paying them to raise our children.” — Bill Maher

  200. MisterDarling September 13, 2015 at 2:34 pm #

    Well, that didn’t take long:


    Munich says ‘no more’ to immigrants 1 week after big welcome… Reality has a way of settling in.

  201. MisterDarling September 13, 2015 at 2:36 pm #

    That Didn’t Take Long (Part 2):


    Shield Wall Up!

    (Schengen Agreement be-damned)

  202. wpa--ccc September 13, 2015 at 3:51 pm #

    That didn’t take long:

    All 450 Scots Catholic parishes prepared to welcome refugees


    Compassion has a way of settling in…

    How many divisions does the Pope have? About 160,000.

  203. volodya September 13, 2015 at 3:52 pm #

    Q, yeah, you’re right, there’s enough that divides black and white communities, as you say, dialect being one of them. Can’t or won’t assimilate? Probably both.

    Elysianfield makes a good point, that decades ago blacks wanted to assimilate but weren’t allowed to. Now they don’t want to.

    Then there’s still outside resistance. Integration sounds good as long as it’s somewhere else. As somebody on this blog used to say, the ones trumpeting desegregation and integration are the ones living in expensive and exclusive all-white neighborhoods ie the ones least likely to be affected.

    But you could also say that there’s a lot that separates white Manhattan-ites from white Appalachians. Or white Texas born ranchers from white New England college educated liberals. Or white people on either side of the Mason-Dixon line.

    That’s the whole point. Multiculturalism sounds all enlightened and high-minded and lovey-dovey but given the sorry world history of sectarian mayhem (including in the US in the 1860s) the last thing you want are divides inside your own country, cultural or otherwise.

    As Kunstler says European countries have a lot of Muslim citizens that are overtly hostile to infidel culture.

    Anyhow, even though there are cultural elements common to blacks and whites in the US including music, people still use skin color to define “race” or more generally, who is “us” and who is “them”. That is, “race” (as defined by color) a consideration separate from what constitutes “culture” or way of life.

    So, assuming that black-white integration was happening, with blacks and whites working and living peace-ably side by side, with blacks and whites living inside a shared language and culture, would you say that there’s such a thing as an “American” race?

  204. malthuss September 13, 2015 at 3:55 pm #

    Drown Boy
    Nearly everything we were told about Abdullah Kurdi and the drowning of his son turned out to be a lie. Daddy wanted free dental implants and Turkey wouldn’t provide. Now they are claiming he lost his teeth to Saddam’s interrogators!

    Where is Kurdi now? Back in Syria.

    Last rumor reported on kurdi in german fringe media/social networks:

    he steered the refugee’s boat himself. That makes him the killer……not a blip in the msm -german or otherwise..

  205. wpa--ccc September 13, 2015 at 4:25 pm #

    “Multiculturalism sounds all enlightened and high-minded and lovey-dovey but given the sorry world history of sectarian mayhem (including in the US in the 1860s) the last thing you want are divides inside your own country, cultural or otherwise.” –Volodya

    No, Volodya, you are missing the whole point of multiculturalism and diversity, which is increased acceptance of those different from you.

    So, it doesn’t matter how many “divides” there are inside your country: with multiculturalism there will be increasing love and cooperation, instead of hate and violence. Canada is the proof, Volodya.

    Multiculturalism: Yes! Assimiliation: No!

    E Pluribus Unum works in Canada and the USA. Out of many peoples, races, religions, languages, and ancestries has emerged a single people and nation.


  206. progress4what September 13, 2015 at 5:08 pm #

    “….Secondly, a 1000 draftees is going to be much closer to a truly random assortment of human talent than 1000 *volunteers*. In that case I’m comfortable applying 2 heuristic rules that withstand the test of time….” 80% – 20% – 2% -Mr. D –

    Thanks for the response, md, it does help to clarify my thinking as regards women in combat positions. And, I’d agree with you, that if we have an all volunteer military there may not be any way to restrict these positions to males only – AS LONG AS the country has sufficient resources to devote extra manpower to this.

    As far as collapse in general, there are three questions that have to be answered, to wit; how fast, how deep, and how long.*

    *Assuming that one “believes” in collapse in the first place. This is, after all, the purpose of much of JHK’s life’s work, and certainly of this discussion thread. It makes the thread super easy to troll, witness the non-stop, incessant antics of wpasoak.

    From your statements on women in combat, in extremis – I’m lead to believe that you think collapse will be very deep and very long term. You may be right.

    As for me, I’ve prepared as well as I can for a deep collapse that might never end. I don’t wish for this, mind you. But I can prepare little more, without going over into eccentricity.

    To me, this is the only sensible, logical way to live – prepared for the worst, while hoping for the best.

    • MisterDarling September 14, 2015 at 2:16 am #

      Hello P4W:

      “From your statements on women in combat, in extremis – I’m lead to believe that you think collapse will be very deep and very long term. You may be right.”-prog.

      My comments were for mid-case not worst-case scenarios. Ie., ones without widespread application of nuclear weapons. In that case we’d have enough people to ‘reboot’ something of the lifestyle we currently enjoy, while at the same time providing ample reason to want a ‘defense force’.

      In that kind of conflict environment we’d be better off dispensing with male squeamishness about training and fighting side by side with female combatants. If we don’t, our opponents will and they’ll add that to their list of advantages.

      Regarding my attitude about ‘Collapse’: I certainly didn’t want it, but I haven’t lived this long by sticking my head in the sand. Looking back, my only nasty surprise was in 2008/9. I wasn’t cynical enough. I couldn’t believe that the relevant ‘PTB’ would sign off on their own destruction so carelessly. . . I suppose I still believed that there was such a thing as ‘The Greater Good’. . . How incredibly naïve of me!



  207. progress4what September 13, 2015 at 5:12 pm #

    Buck Stud –

    It appears that you have made the leap into racist name calling directed against those with whom you disagree. This seems new, for you.

    That’s too bad.

    • Buck Stud September 13, 2015 at 10:31 pm #


      I was referring to some specific comments and commentators who wrote, ‘those people [fill in the blank] breed like cockroaches’ which strikes me as malevolent in spirit, or racist, if you will.

      Am I wrong? After all, it seems the definition of racist has come into question here on CFN.

      Janos proudly terms himself a racist as have others. You seem to view it as a pejorative or at least a discussion stopper which was not my intent.

      Now if somebody was to honestly and empirically observe that Mexicans, for example, have higher birthrates than their U.S. counterparts I would not view that as racist. They might even opine that Catholicism and poverty and major reason for the high birthrate which in and of itself is not racists. But if making the leap to moral/cultural superiority then that is defined as racism.
      (In fact, I consider many aspects of Western culture vastly superior to other cultures–am I a racist too?)

      But when I read ill-spirited vituperation it crosses a line into hate and not honest observation, IMO. But then again somebody like Janos just views their race as superior and perhaps without the vitriolic component, That is also considered racist according to the dictionary.

      But again, perhaps you have a different interpretation of the word.

  208. Janos Skorenzy September 13, 2015 at 5:19 pm #


    People trust the Police and Army far too much. But at least they’ve awoken to the dire straits we’re in.

  209. wpa--ccc September 13, 2015 at 7:33 pm #

    Buck Stud is innocent. It is not name calling when the person is in fact a racist. You qualify.

    To give another example: you are a Georgian. That is a fact. Pointing out that you are a Georgian is not name calling. There is a difference between objective description and insult. Calling you a Georgian is not name calling, even if you deny the truth, even if don’t recognize who you are.


    • progress4what September 13, 2015 at 9:20 pm #

      Very well. You are a chronically repetitive verbal pustule on the unwashed harry anus of a completely Cluster Fucked Nation. Carry on with your racist hatemongering, wpasoka, until you get every negative thing you deserve.

      There is a limit to the number of people one can love. Embrace it.

  210. FincaInTheMountains September 13, 2015 at 8:59 pm #

    Fare thee well! and if for ever,
    Still for ever, fare thee well


    • BackRowHeckler September 13, 2015 at 9:23 pm #

      Hey Finca, story on 60 min. tonite about ancient Christian communities being wiped out in Syria and Iraq, young Christian girls young as aged 10 being kidnapped and raped, ancient texts and sacraments burned; there’s this 1000 year old monestary outside Mosul surrounded by ISIS forces bent on its destruction. A century ago the western powers would mobilize to protect such a place, perhaps led by Rome, when the west had some balls, not now (don’t expect much from the Pharaoh , worried about climate change, or mother Merkel, ministring to Islam), how about Russian Marines, maybe Putin could deploy a Regiment to protect this ancient Christian site, where Aramaic, the language of Jesus is still spoken, and Jonah from the old Testament is supposed to be buried?


      • FincaInTheMountains September 14, 2015 at 6:22 am #

        Sorry, brh, I doubt very much that the Russian military operation in Syria will be affected by any sentimental notions, it will be subject to thoroughly developed General Stuff planning.

        Geopolitical stakes are too high and Syria right now happens to be a centerpiece cell on the World Chess Board.

        We are rapidly approaching a point when the World Financial system is going to be changed from bi-metallic (Dollar-Euro) to quadro-metallic system – supposedly Dollar-Euro-Ruble and the Fourth Component – some say it is not going to be Yuan, but Arabian Dinar.

        Don’t ask, I am befuddled myself. Let’s wait and see.