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The Drowning Pool

     News that that a swarm of termites deep inside the British banking system have been fiddling the interbank interest rates (LIBOR) for years in order to systematically vacuum a few billion pence off the exchange floors for themselves is the latest blow to the credibility of the global money system – and probably a fine overture to a looming climactic implosion of the gigantic, creaking, smoldering, reeking, duck-taped edifice of broken promises, booby-trapped hedge obligations, counterparty follies, central bank euchres, sovereign flim-flams, and countless chicanes too various, dark, and deep to smoke out. Next, we’ll probably hear that Lloyd Blankfein over at Goldman Sachs has been tinkering with the rotation of the earth in order to gain a few micro-milliseconds of advantage in his firm’s high frequency trading rackets. After all, back in 2008 Lloyd himself claimed to be “doing God’s work.”
     In short, world banking is now hopelessly pranged, and I am not at all sure the project of civilization (modern edition) can continue by other means. The impairments of capital formation are now so profound that no one and nothing can be trusted. Not only are all bets off, but nobody will want to make any new bets – and by that I mean venture to invest accumulated wealth (capital) in some useful project designed to sustain human well-being. What remains is just the desperate hoarding of whatever remains in assets uncontaminated by the pledges of others to pony up.
     All this points to a dangerous new period of political history, a deadly Hobbesian scramble to evade the falling timber in a burning house as the rudiments of a worldwide social contract go up in flames. Such is the importance of legitimacy: the basic condition for governance, especially among supposedly free people. You can meddle in a lot of distributory issues – who gets what – but when you mess with the most basic operations of money to the extent that no one is sure what it’s really worth, or what it represents, then you are deeply undermining society. This is now the condition that is set to blow up republics.
     Reality dislikes fraud and accounting tricks. Reality is serious about settling scores. Reality eventually intervenes and puts an end to monkey business. What will it be this time?
     Europe and America have been buying a month here, a month there (of a fragile, continuing status quo) on the installment plan. That’s what QE, TARPs, LTRO, EFSF, Operation Twist, et cetera, are all about. Think of them as multi-billion dollar (euro) fire extinguishers bought on credit cards. Europe is now completely out of credit to buy more fire fighting equipment. For months now it has been down to whether Germany intends to keep supporting Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal, Ireland, the French banks (and a few stray forgotten places between the backwaters of the Danube and the Gulf of Finland) without any say in how they manage their allowance. Much as Germany enjoyed the Ponzi heyday of the Euro zone, a big “tilt” sign now flashes ominously over the continent, signaling game over. All fall down. Everybody gets real poor real fast. M. Hollandaise over in Paris has already sealed his fate with his stupid plan to return to “go” on the Ponzi game-board. Merkel’s tattered scarecrow of a coalition will blow away in the next national election. The Club Med countries will soon boil up in street-fighting, Holland and Finland will drink themselves to death, and across the channel outsider Britain will fizzle away to a burnt bowl of mulligatawny. That’s what the end of the summer looks like to me.
      Over here, in this sorry-ass edition of America, the election will look more and more like a World Wrestling Federation staged dumb-show between two catamite hostages of a foul corporate oligarchy. Imagine that horse’s ass Mitt Romney spending the next four months denouncing Obama-care, modeled on his own health care reform in Massachusetts, while Obama pretends he has a grip on an economy where the rule of law is absent due to Obama’s own omissions and negligence.
     And if you can’t stand that spectacle, just look around at America itself: a wasteland of futile motoring and discount shopping populated by depressed, overfed clowns bedizened with sinister tattoos, pretending to be Star Warriors. No nation ever seen in human history ever laid such a disappointing egg. Only to have it fry on the sidewalk.


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561 Responses to “The Drowning Pool”

  1. John in Cape Charles July 9, 2012 at 9:10 am #


  2. OccupyMBA July 9, 2012 at 9:14 am #

    Thanks for staying on this beat, Jim. Check out my ongoing attempt to flesh out how the consequent catastrophic political and social transition will unfold (“pre-World Made by Hand”) at http://interstates2040.wikispaces.com/
    Your servant,

  3. mistified July 9, 2012 at 9:17 am #


  4. LisaofWisconsin July 9, 2012 at 9:17 am #

    A song keeps going thru my head when I think of “the wasteland of futile motoring and discount shopping populated by depressed, overfed clowns…”
    “My Hoveround takes me where I want to go – where will it send me?…” (imagine musical notes here)

  5. kulturcritic* July 9, 2012 at 9:17 am #

    It is really starting to get hot in here, James!

  6. OccupyMBA July 9, 2012 at 9:18 am #

    Sandy, beat ya!

  7. Norman Blackdog July 9, 2012 at 9:24 am #

    Its hard to believe the lack of careing from most.
    Really no thought of the future beyond Summer vacation plans. Then again people feel they have no control over events. Maybe change will come after disaster

  8. Onthego July 9, 2012 at 9:24 am #

    Here at home, the drones in state houses and the Congress are scheming how to get their hands on more tax money: A wave of states, including Virginia, have passed laws that will require consumers to pay sales tax on all Internet purchases as soon as next year. Other states and the District are pursuing similar measures. And in Maryland, Gov. Martin O’Malley (D) wants to go further and levy a tax on songs and other digital products bought through popular sources such as iTunes.
    While, Candidate Obama is offering up his latest pander to the former Middle Class to buy a few more votes: President Barack Obama is expected to call on Congress to pass a one-year extension on the Bush-era tax cuts for people earning less than $250,000 a year.
    All to prop up a bloated military that seems bent on self-immolation: “Mysterious fatal crash offers rare look at U.S. commando presence in Mali” – In pre-dawn darkness, a ¬Toyota Land Cruiser skidded off a bridge in North Africa in the spring, plunging into the Niger River. When rescuers arrived, they found the bodies of three U.S. Army commandos — alongside three dead women.
    “What a world, what a world,” as a woman with an unfortunate complexion once observed, just after cashing her final reality check.

  9. budizwiser July 9, 2012 at 9:27 am #

    Nice screed! Your remarks about the “LIBOR scandal” – as if there is any notion these people understand with respect to concepts such as “shame” or “evil” – fairly presents the global fraud as a hopeless quagmire that somehow moves on devoid of any sense of morality.
    Hearing about how residents of some eastern cities have gone 9 days without power (and air conditioning) is another “sniper-shot” that mother-nature and “reality” is creeping into a few people’s consciousness. I wonder what kind of thoughts people think in those conditions?
    I’m sure the LIBOR rate wasn’t on their radar….

  10. Neon Vincent July 9, 2012 at 9:28 am #

    “Next, we’ll probably hear that Lloyd Blankfein over at Goldman Sachs has been tinkering with the rotation of the earth in order to gain a few micro-milliseconds of advantage in his firm’s high frequency trading rackets.”
    That would be a scheme worthy of a James Bond villain, which might just be your point. Of course, Blankfein and Goldman Sachs don’t need to do that; the Moon does that all by itself. The Moon has been transferring the energy of the Earth’s rotation to its orbit for billions of years, pulling farther away from us the entire time. After all, where do you think the leap second we had a couple of weeks ago came from?
    As for the egg that America laid frying on the sidewalk, are more of your readers convinced about global warming after the past two weeks’ heat wave? They should be. This is what global warming looks like.
    Over at Crazy Eddie’s Motie News, I made light of the record high temperatures by embedding a video of Marilyn Monroe singing “Tropical Heat Wave,” but that was a bit of gallows humor masquerading as comic relief after marching in an Independence Day on the hottest July 4th in Detroit’s history. Oddly enough, I had such a good time that I didn’t notice the heat until the parade was over.
    In addition to the heat wave and the parade, I blogged about Michigan’s part in the discovery of the likely Higgs particle (science still progresses), the latest in space news (ditto, even if it’s the Chinese doing it), the latest on the gas price rollercoaster, the Supreme Court decision on the Affordable Care Act, and some more comic relief in the form a good prank.
    None of the above was the top post of the week, however. That honor went to “Happy 4th of July from James Howard Kunstler’s Tea Party,” which went from 10 views to 800+ views in the course of a month. That many more people read your ideas, thanks to searching for “happy 4th of July” on Google.
    Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit!

  11. Goat1080 July 9, 2012 at 9:29 am #

    “No nation ever seen in human history ever laid such a disappointing egg.”
    Looks kind of brown colored. Are you sure that’s an egg?

  12. MHClark July 9, 2012 at 9:42 am #

    Here in the Great North we may yet survive, though poorer. A lot of Floridians may find their new landlord has a Canadian address. As for Europe, they’ve been poor before and will maintain the consolations of beauty and wine. Most of us have grown past the terrors of religious apocalypses and the worst thing to do now is fall back to the kind of ‘back to the land’ retreats that have been a constant theme in American culture. To some extent JHK is mining the same vein. I can’t make eyeglasses or produce antibiotics in my basement so clearly I need to stay connected with a technological society. The real challenge is not going of the grid, but finding ways to make the best parts of the system continue to function.

  13. djc July 9, 2012 at 9:45 am #

    Kudo’s from a long-time fan who has been an avid reader since the inception of your blog.
    What do the readers, and Jim for that matter, think about the idea of purchasing junk silver as a form of asset protection against a very uncertain future? My initial reaction is that it won’t really matter in the long run. I’d love to hear others opinion on this.

  14. Alannala July 9, 2012 at 9:49 am #

    …But didn’t you hear the good news in the NYTimes this week, that sales of SUVs are leading the recovery at GM ! They say buyers are encouraged by the recent lower gas prices!

  15. dale July 9, 2012 at 9:53 am #

    Concerning the LIBOR scandal, for once I think JHK’s hyperbole is inadequate to describe the extent of the corrupt at play in the financial industry.

  16. Bukko Canukko July 9, 2012 at 9:53 am #

    There have been SO many frauds with the world’s financial sector that people can’t keep up. I’m convinced that that’s part of the plan. “Baffle them with bullshit” and people will forget about last week’s steaming pile as they hold their nose against the stench of the latest steaming brown pie. It’s like realPresident Cheney’s administration during the SNAFUquest of the Babylon Oil Colony, when you could hardly focus on last week’s grotesque prisoner torture abuse because you were diverted by the string of soldier’s deaths yesterday. Another way ObamaWorld is the same as BushLand.
    But as another doomsterish blogger, Charles Hugh Smith, puts it, we’re in the “delegitimation” phase. There’s so much fraud, nobody believes anything. And when the cancer of corruption is so widespread, it filters down to the average shmoe on the street. We will all be criminals now! It’s OK to play, if the Big Boys do it that way. Watch your wallet, folks.

  17. empirestatebuilding July 9, 2012 at 9:59 am #

    I was in Walt Disney World a couple of weeks back. The place was packed and people were partying like it was 1999. No signed of a slow economy in the Magic Kingdom. In fact they are building a whole new addition.
    Aimlow Joe was here

  18. IS4U July 9, 2012 at 9:59 am #

    I came upon this article today titled: “We were wrong on peak oil”. Some fact checking and critical thinking would be worth while.

  19. Pucker July 9, 2012 at 10:03 am #

    Here’s a link to the list of graduate studies programs in Feminist, Gender, and Sexuality Studies:

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  21. Hammering Truth July 9, 2012 at 10:06 am #

    I was on vavation last week and had a chance to watch the cable financial news network. Apparently, the LIBOR scandal is a joke to the financial types. Criminality is an accepted method of making a living amongst the Wall Streeters and their financial cable barkers: http://youtu.be/lCEfCQTjpYc

  22. Bukko Canukko July 9, 2012 at 10:07 am #

    What do the readers, and Jim for that matter, think about the idea of purchasing junk silver as a form of asset protection against a very uncertain future?
    One problem with junk silver is that you have to pay sales taxes on it in many locales. Not sure how it works in the U.S. — via the official system, that is, as opposed to CraigsList, which is the only way I’ve bought old silver dollars down there. However, In Canada you pay the government vig when you get old real-money coins. In Switzerland, you even pay VAT when you buy silver bullion coins, which is why I’ve never bought any there.
    Buying silver Maple Leafs or Aussie koalas is tax-free, though. And more importantly, if you ever have to use them for an actual medium of exchange, 1-oz bullion rounds are like a “standard of identity” product. They are what they are, straight metal value, with no niggling over “The wear and tear on that 1923 Morgan is too much. I’ll only give you X-minus whatever for it.”
    So my money’s on silver bullion coins. Not that I have any, of course. And I’m not saying where they’re buried.

  23. dale July 9, 2012 at 10:09 am #

    Yes it is nice to see someone actually acknowledge that the forecasts “this time” were no better than the forecasts “last time”, and that PO has been predicted since the 1890s.
    I think Bukko’s comment is more to the point, how long will it be before the corruption, which is so rife at the top, makes it’s way down to the street level? How long before you are expected to pay a bribe whenever you want to do something, much as it has been in Latin America for too many years to count?

  24. Pucker July 9, 2012 at 10:11 am #

    What about “Hats”?
    Do you think things would improve if men wore hats again like during the 1940s and 1950s?

  25. dale July 9, 2012 at 10:14 am #

    Forget PO (peak oil) maybe JHK should write a book on PC (Peak Corruption). Problem is PC is not very dramatic, just a slow stinking unwind.

  26. jarrollin July 9, 2012 at 10:27 am #

    Smokin’ column today sir. I see you lit your 4th of July firecrackers right in the midst of it. Just when I think of writin’ you off, you reel me back in.

  27. ozone July 9, 2012 at 10:30 am #

    Senor James sez:
    “The Club Med countries will soon boil up in street-fighting, Holland and Finland will drink themselves to death, and across the channel outsider Britain will fizzle away to a burnt bowl of mulligatawny. That’s what the end of the summer looks like to me.”
    I wondered what JHK’s timeline vision would be for the shattering and dissolution of the UK’s banking vampire squid. Not sure people are realizing that loss of faith in LIBOR is a loss of faith in fair market determination of world-wide interest rates. That, as they say, is a biggie.
    As we’re all beginning to notice, yez can’t trust no-fuckin’-body. That is the prime indicator of a most dangerous world to come, and will make it absolutely necessary to band together in localized, smaller groups where trust will be an inviolate life-and-death treasure, and those who break it risk the fate of expulsion or some punishment more immediate.
    Unfortunately, a heapin’ helpin’ of vengeance is set to be served up, and the defenders of the status quo know it and are preparing accordingly. (There should be no wonder why the cops are being militarized so rapidly and completely.)

  28. KathyP July 9, 2012 at 10:34 am #

    I’m reminded of the accounts my friends have told me of their dying parents’ waiting to die. They say they are ready to die, and appear to really want to, but, being in good hospice care (or whatever reasons), just can’t seem to get on with it.
    Our nation (culture, society, government, economy) appears to be in the process of waiting to die. Many people seem to have at least an unconscious awareness that something nasty lies ahead, and are partying like it’s 1999. They don’t have to look hard to see all of the signs of gradual, relentless breakdown, and seem to know that whatever respite from the agony of a slow death they get from partying like it’s 1999 is very transitory.
    Like waiting to die, none of us really knows what actually lies ahead, despite the wonderful imaginations and lively writings of Kunstler and others, and the preparations many are making. But, this slow death is agony. You just want to get on with it.

  29. ozone July 9, 2012 at 10:35 am #

    JHK word-o’-the-day:
    mulligatawny – meaning, “pepper water”; an Indian curry soup.
    Slurp up, Poppets!

  30. Dirk July 9, 2012 at 10:35 am #

    “Not only are all bets off, but nobody will want to make any new bets – and by that I mean venture to invest accumulated wealth (capital) in some useful project designed to sustain human well-being. ”
    Well that’s point, the crux, the ultimate reality then, isn’t it? All that wealth mongering and promises to all the whinning baby boomers that they, too, can have a sweet comfy retirement with a little wise and prudent ‘investing’. Profit, profit, profit, right? What is good for humanity never entered into the bogus equations used to plan the accumulation of all this…*ahem*…’wealth’. Soooo….in my opinion the minions will continue along this road to perdition until very very soon they realize that, like the USA, they are in fact bankrupt holding only worthless confetti in thier ‘portfolios’.
    Once those baby boomers are pissed off and cannot retire. Oh dear, the shit will hit the Obama fan then.

  31. Casual Observer July 9, 2012 at 10:36 am #

    “As for the egg that America laid frying on the sidewalk, are more of your readers convinced about global warming after the past two weeks’ heat wave? They should be. This is what global warming looks like.”
    How do you know this is what global warming looks like? Is global warming causing negative catastrophic consequences for human kind?

  32. azgog July 9, 2012 at 10:40 am #

    A fine fix on the factual fabulations afflicting our little world. We are indeed in the drowning pool, going down for the third time in a sea of debt, disease and delusion. If millions of people here and around the world can suffer thru record heat and electrical blackouts without rising up to tell the politicians to get the fuck to work, what hope is there? We really are like the frogs in boiling water – too complacent to resist our own deaths.
    Just when we need to focus all our remaining capital on building true fixes like massive solar arrays and superefficient trains and minicars we are instead caught up in a paralysis of fear and uncertainty. Fiddling with health care (sabotaging it actually) while Rome (or at least large parts of the Mountain West) burns to the ground. The solar factories that should be running at full speed are shutting down while the enrichment centrifuges are spinning up. The human race is on a death march into the future. But hey, gas went down 20 cents so lets party on.

  33. ozone July 9, 2012 at 10:42 am #

    Yessir, mission creep for all the creeps! It’s gettin’ creepy out there, and there’s blood in the water…
    (But hey, not to worry, George Will says the record heat is “Summer… get over it”. Thanks, George, I’m so reassured.)

  34. hugovictor54 July 9, 2012 at 10:46 am #

    Dear James:
    Your lexicon is the bomb! Do you know this guy?

  35. ozone July 9, 2012 at 10:50 am #

    “I think Bukko’s comment is more to the point, how long will it be before the corruption, which is so rife at the top, makes it’s way down to the street level? How long before you are expected to pay a bribe whenever you want to do something, much as it has been in Latin America for too many years to count?”
    That’s exactly what I’m keeping the weather-eye out for as well. The “game” will for sure be “on” when that becomes endemic.

  36. William Hunter Duncan July 9, 2012 at 10:51 am #

    I don’t get why you’re always so negative, Jim. I mean, I was just on HuffPost, and everything’s fine. What’s that Libor scam of the century when Kourtney Kardasian had a baby girl!

  37. sooty July 9, 2012 at 10:53 am #

    I’m with IS4U–would like to hear some analysis of George Monbiot’s take that we were wrong about Peak Oil (based on a report by an oil economist, I believe) and that there’s going to be plenty to deep fry all of us, as he says.

  38. Widespreadpanic7 July 9, 2012 at 11:00 am #

    And on CNBC (Your Business Network) this morning its all chuckles and smiles!
    You pretty much nailed it, Jim. There is nothing more to be said.

  39. it-sa-ra July 9, 2012 at 11:07 am #

    Your books, blogs, and podcasts have influenced me greatly for years and now I’m finally compelled to comment. The general sweep of your insightful crusade is as startling as it is accurate, I believe, but you should really refrain from setting timelines for your prognostications.
    Never underestimate the powers of creative emergence, even in the co-enactive service of self-immolating forces. This whole self-deluded, prevaricating parade of hyper-consumption may yet find ways to maintain itself longer than rational beings can possibly fathom.
    Alternately, things may yet creatively emerge in the service of sanity and sustainability, though that is admittedly a further-flung prospect. Certainly this will be the case in some privileged pockets, but a greater movement is seriously unlikely at this point.
    I’m a Gen-X American who has been living in Thailand for two years. Future potential here is both sunnier and cloudier than the USA. Brighter because a good percentage of this land has barely risen above “a world made by hand” and still functions rather peaceably. Darker because modern forces of global capitalism have pretty much a free reign in such a tolerant, live-and-let-live place.
    Keep up the vital work, James, especially the financial analyses, which most people can’t possibly decode!

  40. PRD July 9, 2012 at 11:16 am #

    As long as they take them off when they go indoors. I’m not sure why (since the era of men wearing hats – other than baseball caps – ended in my early childhood), but the sight of some dipshit sitting in a restaurant with a feed hat perched on his head irritates me. And these are often men in their 70’s who ought to know better.
    An I won’t even go into the “gangsta” ghetto caps worn sideways, a necessary accessory to the pants hanging down off the ass.
    But there are bigger fish to fry… more important stuff to be concerned with.

  41. Dean of Oilberta July 9, 2012 at 11:18 am #

    Hi Jim
    I just finished your new book. It was good! I like your sense of humour. I was laughing out loud alot!(lola). Now I have to read it again because of my weak brain!
    Thanks and good work

  42. dale July 9, 2012 at 11:20 am #

    Read an article this morning about how the bankers are on the verge of setting up a new securitization scam on rental property. This time run the price of property up, and jack up rents to justify their huge syndication fees. Brilliant…of course no one will dare to get in their way, so why not?

  43. wardoc July 9, 2012 at 11:21 am #

    One will be able to use silver (and gold) coins they’ve hoarded to throw or sling shot toward the cannibals coming into their formerly upper middle class neighborhoods to eat.
    Might work, …..for a while.
    Lock and load.

  44. dale July 9, 2012 at 11:27 am #

    How do you know this is what global warming looks like? Is global warming causing negative catastrophic consequences for human kind?
    negative or not, they are coming. The real issue is not how we stop it, but how do we adapt to live with it.

  45. Kiwi July 9, 2012 at 11:27 am #

    The entire economic system is nothing but a Ponzi scheme, predicated on perpetual growth. From LIBOR down to the kid mowing your lawn, the only margin for profit left in this bloated festering system is through swindle, fraud, and outright theft. You see it in every single product and service you buy if you look. If you raise the deck on the mower the lawn is quicker to cut, plus you’ll get called back for an extra cut each month. That is what now passes for innovative business practice. When I was a kid that was called fraud.
    Now apparently the makers of toilet paper can’t even make a profit without cutting an inch off the roll and labeling it as a “standard size” roll. The roll that was the real standard for the last 60+ years is now a “jumbo” and costs more. Does anybody even remember? How long can they continue to trim before they have nothing to sell? It’s a plot line straight out of Animal Farm.
    The point is, that stinking rot that was revealed at LIBOR has penetrated every organ. It’s no wonder that these revelations barely raise an eyebrow anymore.

  46. wmt477 July 9, 2012 at 11:31 am #

    What is needed is a new political party to give a loud voice to those of us Cluster Fucked survivalist prepper types who want to secure
    a safe, just and loving community for ourselves, our children and our neighbors everywhere.
    That the “normal” ways of conducting life and the persuit of happiness we all grew up appreciating have been compromised is evident and chronicled
    in James Kunstler’s blog and books. Other clear thinking wits too have laid out
    what is wrong all around, that crime by persons in power politically or financially is rampant and seemingly can not be stopped.
    This new politic could be called WE KNOW
    WE KNOW: To promote and elect selfserving dishonest ignorant people brings ruin.
    WE KNOW: No leader in power today is addressing our plunge into a lawless cronyism.
    WE KNOW: Many clear thinking people if given voice and power would vote to restore rule of justice and love and reverse the stupidity of placing selfish youths in positions of responsibility and trust.
    WE KNOW: World demographics are changing.
    WE KNOW: Resources once abundant are no longer.
    WE KNOW: Our money is becoming less valuable.
    WE KNOW: We need a new way, a different outlook and a reality based responce.

  47. RyeBeachBum July 9, 2012 at 11:34 am #

    Seems that this is a game of musical chairs, and the music is about to stop, those that win will not be those holding cash, because the fiat currency is soon to die, or those that have silver and gold, but those who have found a good piece of land, have some seeds and a cow and a few chickens, the life style of even our great grandfathers will look compared to what is to come for most.

  48. dale July 9, 2012 at 11:39 am #

    I was in Walt Disney World a couple of weeks back. The place was packed and people were partying like it was 1999. No signed of a slow economy in the Magic Kingdom. In fact they are building a whole new addition.
    Probably symptomatic of two trends, first would be that going to Europe is now just too expensive for what’s left of middle class America.
    The second would be the general “dumbing down” of the culture. No one knows, or consequently has any interest, in world history and culture. Who wants to see the origins of western civilization in Greece or Italy when you don’t even know where Greece or Italy is on a map? To many people these days, Mickey Mouse is more real than the Acropolis so,….off to fantasy land.

  49. ccm989 July 9, 2012 at 11:45 am #

    Guess I must be the last economic survivor because here at the Jersey shore things are busy; booming in some ways. We’ve got two local housing developments going up –
    Bam Hollow Country Club is putting up nearly 200 McMansions (gross I know) and Cottage Gate is putting up another bunch of smaller $400,000 homes — http://www.drhorton.com/Where-We-Build/New-Jersey/New-Jersey/Division/The-Manors-at-Cottage-gate.aspx
    Gas prices are definitely down (but appear to be slowly rising again) and the real estate market is resurging. Even foreclosed houses are being snapped up and renovated. But I am 20 minutes outside of Wall Street via high speed ferry so that may have something to do with it.
    Will LIBOR affect Wall Street and the American economy? I don’t see why it should. Those British crooks won’t go to jail either (our Wall Street thugs spent ZERO time in jail why should their English equivalents?). Guess the Brits can just print more of their fiat notes like we can. Wouldn’t it be great if all the banking crooks were put in jail like they did in Iceland? Of course, Iceland wasn’t running two wars on money borrowed from China like Bush did so they aren’t drowning in as much debt.
    So now the big question is will we elect Romney to be president? Depends on how much hay the Obama team can make on Bain Capitol and Romney’s multiple off-shore tax avoiding accounts and the fact that Romney has released ZERO tax returns. What’s Mitty hiding? Whatever it is, it can’t be good.

  50. sotolvision July 9, 2012 at 11:48 am #

    Thanx, James, I was just turning to something else this morning when I remembered with a flash I had not gotten my Monday morning fix from your column. I think you captured it well! Certainly the title of your blogsite makes readers self-select whether or not they will venture further into your weekly rants, so you don’t need to pull your punches. You have’nt yet. Please don’t. I look forward to reading you next week. regards from one of your fans.

  51. Tancred July 9, 2012 at 11:49 am #

    “My Hoveround takes me where I want to go – where will it send me?…”
    Finally; another person that has that big Hoveround guy singing in his head. Here in Atlanta, the type-2 diabetes capital of the world, one sees so many people on those scooters it’s almost surreal. Big, fat, sometimes-legless men and women fully committed to a scoter life that other people pay for. It is indeed embarrassing. And one can also see the hordes of obese children and young adults that are going to be getting their Hoverounds in the near future; it’s as if they would prefer to get around that way anyway.
    Am I wrong to feel a pang of resentment when I see these folks scooting around???
    But I do like the idea of a scooter having its own volition, deciding to “send” its occupant to some place unknown…What a great jingle!!

  52. Art Myatt July 9, 2012 at 11:55 am #

    The short version is that Monbiot is wrong about peak oil and right about there being plenty of fossil fuels (including oil) to fry us all. It should not be surprising he is arrogant enough to conflate the realization that he was wrong about peak oil with the idea that “we” were wrong. If he thought peak oil would somehow negate global warming, then he simply failed to understand peak oil to begin with, and he still fails to understand it, though it is a different sort of failure.
    There are two recent articles that explain this in some detail. They are both better than anything I would write on the subject, so I’ll just recommend them:

  53. Zev Paiss July 9, 2012 at 11:57 am #

    Jim, I am still amazed at the power of inertia. Every day we see the same sorry ass faces telling us we are on the verge of things turning around as some index goes from .3 to .4 and everyone is hauling out their best champaign to celebrate.
    What we need are systemic solutions that are designed to bolster a re-design and re-organization of our efforts into low-consumption, re-localized, human centered tapestries of livable communities.
    One such vision can be seen at http://www.fromhere-tothere.org.
    Thank you for all you do and may the cobalt cocktail you have been brewing over the past years be removed ASAP.

  54. Jimmy Drinkwater July 9, 2012 at 12:01 pm #

    Not that I disagree with you JHK, I often go off on similar tirades, but this all is based on what we know. It also occurs to me that what we know, what has come to the surface and been made public so far, is just a small part of the greed and corruption that remains undiscovered and hidden. So endemic and pervasive in our modern developed world has it become that like an iceberg, 90% is under the surface.

  55. malthus July 9, 2012 at 12:04 pm #

    What a word smith. Old HST would love reading your posts if he hadn’t seen the hand writing on the wall and blown his brains out ten years ago.

  56. PRD July 9, 2012 at 12:15 pm #

    Who was HST? Harry S Truman? I thought he died 40 years ago.

  57. Jimmy Drinkwater July 9, 2012 at 12:22 pm #

    I like your comments.

  58. Jimmy Drinkwater July 9, 2012 at 12:28 pm #

    There’s so much fraud, nobody believes anything. And when the cancer of corruption is so widespread, it filters down to the average shmoe on the street. We will all be criminals now! It’s OK to play, if the Big Boys do it that way. Watch your wallet, folks.

    I’ve seen this ethic already developing. It’s a hard to stay straight in the game when everyone thinks everyone is cheating.

  59. bobby j July 9, 2012 at 12:34 pm #

    The imaginative emotive process sucks blood from the frontal lobes to support the fight or flight mode.Right now I am really getting steamed up and want to get the corrupt bankers and their lackey political operatives. Even if I could think rationally , there is nowhere to go.It’s all getting into the higher entropy state . Happy Landing.

  60. Parker Dewitt July 9, 2012 at 12:44 pm #

    If you understand that the euro was created, in large part, specifically as a way to hollow out the middle class in Europe, then what’s going on makes sense. In short, the euro is not a failure. It’s doing exactly what its creators intended it to do.
    The problem that the corporatists saw was that European workers enjoyed too many rights. They had powerful unions as a counterpoint to corporatist goons. And there were environmental regulations.
    All of this bothered the corporatists no end.
    So, their plan for the euro was to take monetary policy out of the hands of the individual governments. Now, all the governments can do, after the bankers have tanked the system, is to depress wages, take away worker protections, beat up on the unions, sell off the private infrastructure, and do away with the previously successful social programs.
    In the US, this kind of monetary tinkering wasn’t/isn’t necessary because the bought-and-paid-for politicians on both sides of the aisle are doing all of that while they’re grinning and drooling over lobbyist money. We don’t need no stinkin’ euro to hollow out the middle class here.

  61. malthus July 9, 2012 at 12:55 pm #

    Hunter S. Thompson, who was responsible for creating gonzo journalism and wrote “Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

  62. Jimmy Drinkwater July 9, 2012 at 12:59 pm #

    Interesting comments about the invention of the Euro, gives a nod toward that old doomer canard about a one world currency and govt. I, probably like a lot of other naive people, thought that combining markets would equate to a strengthened middle class.

  63. anti soak July 9, 2012 at 1:06 pm #

    Yahoo / Google report a Money Manager has disappeared, along with 17 million dollars.
    He left a ‘suicide note’!
    Me, I am more concerned with the borders, as we cant ‘unscramble the egg’.
    As in :
    Life in our country’s border states can be much different than in the rest of the country. Illegal immigration has become rampant during the last decade and a half.
    Without getting into the multitude of negative affects illegals have on the economies of these border states, let’s simply focus on their effects to public safety.
    In addition to the sustained and growing violence of the Mexican drug cartels in 2004, 37,000 illegal immigrants were detained in the Tucson, Ariz., sector alone.
    Of those 37,000, 7,500 of them were from terror-sponsoring countries. No discussion is needed regarding the sentiments an entire region of the globe has for the good ol’ US of A. Don’t forget that, just a few months ago, terror plots were uncovered designed to carry out bombings on the Israeli and Saudi embassies in Washington, D.C., while a little over two years ago a man with a bomb in his underwear was carried off a plane in Detroit on Christmas Day.
    Before the World Trade Center attacks of 2001, the buildings had already been hit in 1993. People, very evil people, want to do great harm to the innocent citizens of our country and I have a very strong belief that these people work toward it in some capacity on a daily basis. An attack against the men, women and children of this country will happen again. It’s not a matter of if but when.
    Editor’s note: Frontpage’s editors have decided to rerun this article from yesterday’s issue due to the overwhelming interest and response it has received.
    In the video below, we see a small number of Christians who gathered holding Christian signs at the 2012 Dearbor, Michigan Arab festival being assaulted by Muslims with bottles, stones, and other objects. The police do not protect the Christians or take action against the perpetrators; in the end, they reprimand the Christians and instruct them to leave. Ever since, there has been no coverage of this outrageous event in our media. Nor has CAIR or any other Muslim organization denounced the Muslims who abused the Christians.
    One can’t help but wonder:
    If a small group of Muslims gathered in the U.S. somewhere with a few signs depicting Koranic verses, and a mass crowd of Christians or Jews began to assault them, verbally and physically, threatening violence and mayhem, would police tell the Muslims to leave, instead of acting against the perpetrators? And would the media be completely quiet about it? Would Muslim groups be silent about it after?

  64. anti soak July 9, 2012 at 1:10 pm #

    Elaine Supkis [The Anti Warming Writer] says its not hot outside the USA.
    Heck, its nice and cool in Coastal So Cal, is the inland empire hotter than usual?

  65. Vlad Krandz July 9, 2012 at 1:13 pm #

    The heart of globalism is very dark: in order to compete with the Third World we have to become the Third World. China has huge industrial complexes where the workers live. With their wages kept low and their industries carefully protected, how could we ever hope to compete? And why should we? Notice how no one from either party ever mentions tariffs for America. They hate the idea of prosperity for ordinary Americans – less for them.

  66. Niels Laughlin July 9, 2012 at 1:14 pm #

    “Euchre”, “pranged”. I tell you, Howard, every time I read your blog I learn new words. Good thing I can right click to bring up the google dictionary definition!

  67. Vlad Krandz July 9, 2012 at 1:15 pm #

    Just to clarify, the Christians were Arabs too. They wanted people to know how hard it is to live with Muslims and how persecuted Christians are in the Middle East.
    Why on earth would we bring that crap here?

  68. sevenmmm July 9, 2012 at 1:39 pm #

    Romney’s face does kinda look like a horse’s ass. I guess now everytime I see him talking on the TV I’ll picture a talking horse’s ass too.

  69. Metzengerstein July 9, 2012 at 1:44 pm #

    Jim, some choice quotable lines in here this week. Spot on as usual.
    Any chance of getting pics of your garden/orchard project? You used to do an “excellent thing of the month” in August as a change from EOTM. Maybe the raised beds, etc., would be a candidate.
    I know you claim not to believe in conspiracy theories, but … any chance that our leaders are not clueless about things, but know exactly what we are in for and are trying to actually accelerate the process? It might be a way of giving up on solutions and trying to manage the collapse process in some way.

  70. jerry July 9, 2012 at 1:47 pm #

    The fraud keeps coming. It is like the string the cat ate that eventually is seen sticking out of its butt. You pull on it and it keeps becoming longer and longer, whereby you just don’t know where it will end!!
    Recently, there was an AP story about the continued uncovering of the fraud created by Countrywide.
    Now, Matt Taibbi over at Rolling Stone wrote a piece on the unbelievable fraud in the muni bond market. Interest rate fixing and collusion between the bankstas at BoA, and the rest, and the brokers handling the buying of muni bond monies held by communities that were looking for buyers to hold their unspent loan cash.
    It appears that the Justice Dept. prosecuted three of these fraudster cons, but gave the biggie bankstas a pass.
    The rub is that if a person receiving food stamps commits food stamp fraud, that individual really suffers from the punishment; but, if a banksta commits fraud they pay a token fine, and are allowed to still engage in the securities/swap business.
    James, nothing is going to change. Nothing will change here or in the EU. The bankstas are in control. They own the system and the politicians. Sure, the system hates fraud, but we have a Banker Crime Syndicate, not unlike the Bambino Crime Family, but even more powerful, since it is worldwide.
    LIBOR is just one part of the Giant Squid engulfing the entire Wall Street, Global Street crime family.

  71. ASPO Article 1037 July 9, 2012 at 2:02 pm #

    DEBKAfile, your news source to follow events guaranteed to bring on Federal Executive Emergency Orders for motor fuel rationing… Unemployed banking people can bone up on these things and speak up in meetings and on the net in their spare time.
    A train statistic comparison: Chinese railways move 25% of world railway traffic on 6% world railway mileage. USA, having stripped away 2/3 rail mileage since WWII, uses 25% of world energy for 6% of world’s people…
    “Suntrain Transportation Inc.”, is a systems look at local scaled energy, water supply and mobility. See companion book “ELECTRIC WATER”, by Christopher C. Swan (New Society, 2007). People with this inclination can see US Rail Map Atlas volumes from spv.co.uk for regional railway routes past & present in the USA. Get a rail map book for your particular locale and share with the National Guard office and the County planning bureau.
    Old Testament book of Daniel shows interesting line in Chapter 4, in the King’s dream: Dan. Chapt 4, V-15, the “great Tree”, is held together from complete destruction by “bands of iron”. The kingdom in the original period of writing was Nebuchadnezzar’s, undisputed master of the known world, limited as it was by geography. The vision of the “Great Tree” of Daniel 4 offers an interesting picture of the USA of the modern era, and why not suggest the railway will be crucial element to preserve the Union as we pass into the “Long Emergency”…
    USA military called Railway “Second Dimension Surface Transport Logistics Platform” during 100 year period from Civil War to VietNam era, with many railway logistics units: “Railroad Operating & Maintenance Battalions” with military owned rail equipment and railway yards at bases, etc. Wartime sent these units into the war zones and the supply operations were rail based as the hostilities ceased. In peacetime America often had assistance after floods and hurricanes from military transport units, including railway movement of victuals and construction equipment/materials as part of the supply and rebuild of damaged areas.
    Obviously roads will not have railway track laid over, but certainly it is desirable to begin all due haste repair and replacement of thousands of miles of dormant rail corridor in the lower 48. Much of US dormant rail corridor still has portions with track in place, much more is stripped, and used as hiking/biking or overgrown with brush, etc. Probably, NIMBY element shall prove to be the greatest impediment to bringing America to a position in transport less reliant on motor fuel.
    Reformed Army/Guard rail units serve as key element to rebuild many important corridors, lines serving agricultural and manufacturing nodes now lacking rail connection. After Union Pacific gets past the 150 year birthday bash, this Mormon controlled transportation giant is positioned to cooperate with nascent branch rail operators along the UP lines in agricultural regions. Mormonism is the best single talent pool of individuals already in mindset of victuals storage and family cohesion, requisite for this period of US history.
    Ill-advised President Obama has lacked persons in the administration with ability to translate energy strategy to include robust railway enhancement, (except for High Speed Rail show projects) and seemingly has missed opportunity to be the second US Railway President, after Abraham Lincoln. So, it may fall to Willard Romney, a man to be pitied for his bogus belief system, as well as his unfortunate timing, to go to Washington in this pivotal period of world history!
    Romney must balance the military appetites in his choice of advisors with people like Gilbert Carmichael and Richard Heinberg. Dan Senor and John Bolton and Thomas Barnett were silent about homeland transport mode shift after 911DAY… Developing on-shore fossil energy may be only marginally helpful going forward; having a reconstituted US railway matrix as seen between the two World Wars is the real deal.

  72. ozone July 9, 2012 at 2:26 pm #

    “Romney must balance the military appetites in his choice of advisors with people like Gilbert Carmichael and Richard Heinberg. Dan Senor and John Bolton and Thomas Barnett were silent about homeland transport mode shift after 911DAY… Developing on-shore fossil energy may be only marginally helpful going forward; having a reconstituted US railway matrix as seen between the two World Wars is the real deal.” -ASPO
    As fine a piece of fantasy as I’ve ever read!
    Snark aside, one might hope for this kind of pragmatism, but we’ve seen differently, haven’t we?

  73. Inquiring Mind July 9, 2012 at 2:34 pm #

    95% of the US population would have no idea of what JHK is talking about. Nor would they care to. Devolution, lack of education, false data, and bread & circuses has turned the majority into unaware children.
    As has always been the case, an uneducated, unsophisticated populace is doomed.
    Per one American philosopher, the price of freedom is “Constant vigilance and the willingness to act.” Lack of education prevents vigilance (if one isn’t educated, one can’t see, can’t recognize outpoits, nor can they make comparisons or analyze).
    The only way their can ever be a strong empire that continues and grows is if the citizenry are educated. And, most importantly… they have to be willing to be educated.
    That is why Egypt, Greece, Rome, Chaldea, England, Spain, etc. are all gone.
    The USA is now on its way out as well. Nothing new here, history just rhyming or repeating itself.

  74. Inquiring Mind July 9, 2012 at 3:28 pm #

    Yes, the International Bankers have pretty much taken control of this planet. The remaining wealth (currency, commodities, assets, etc.) will continue to flow up to the apex of the pyramid, to the top 10%. The population has been inured to this activity. They have been programmed/de-programmed in order that they may be manipulated and exploited to the highest degree.
    How does this get turned around?
    Turning it around doesn’t seem feasible judging by the educational level and mental state of the citizenry. The citizen is the building block of a society. The citizen’s condition and value = the condition and value of the country.
    Looks like we’ll just have to wait until the International Bankers foul up and crash and burn in hope that a logical, benevolent and future/survival oriented phoenix rises from the ashes.
    Could take some time for this, since countries and empires can die slowly and last for decades or centuries. Could be two, five or ten lifetimes from now until the devastation is complete and the phoenix rises.

  75. turkle July 9, 2012 at 3:46 pm #

    I think you actually meant duct tape, as in tape for ducts, not duck tape, which is for, I guess, strapping aquatic birds to each other.

  76. messianicdruid July 9, 2012 at 3:55 pm #

    Gold is a sapling, silver is an acorn.

  77. Kyooshtik July 9, 2012 at 4:04 pm #

    can’t recognize outpoits,
    I don’t recognize outpoits either. What the hell are outpoits?
    The only way their can ever be a strong empire that continues and grows is if the citizenry are educated. And, most importantly… they have to be willing to be educated.
    The day teacher went over there, their and they’re Stinky was unwilling to be educated.

  78. Liquid Lennny July 9, 2012 at 4:11 pm #

    The level of greed and corruption at so many levels is indeed staggering.
    I’d like offer my own closing statement to Jim’s diatribe.”No Nation ever seen in human history has laid such a monumental goose egg. No disrespect to geese intended.
    Also, I just finished reading “Too Much Magic” this weekend and enjoyed the refresher wakeup call and corresponding knock in the head.
    I do have to take issue with the suggestion that “New Urbanism” is even remotely possible. I suggest a sort of “New Favela-ism” as the future pattern of human existence. The definition of which is; (from the Wiki) “The place where slaves with no land ownership and no options for work live”. The word “live” may be a liberal use of the term. Welcome to 21st century feudalism, coming soon to a town near you…

  79. Desperado July 9, 2012 at 4:12 pm #

    Too Big to Fail Banks Are Stopping You From Getting 5 Percent on Your Savings
    Max K at HuffPo
    “…In fact, central banks are now the primary lender to large banks — AT ZERO PERCENT INTEREST — with the role of ‘lender of last resort’ now being played by savers and pensioners whose accounts are being drained as interest rates are manipulated lower…”
    So called ‘investment banks’ like Goldman or JP Morgue are not banks, they’re CASINOS run by gamble-holics addicted to betting with someone else’s money. When they win their bets they keep it all, when they lose their bets, the 99% pick up the loss thru government bailouts and 0% interest on your savings and pension funds. Heads they win, tails we lose.
    Goldman and JP Morgue are not banks, they’re CRACK WHORES.
    Wander over to http://www.hangthebankers.com/
    Personally, hanging Wall St bankers is to kind and gentle, I’m for stuffing them into an industrial sized WOODCHIPPER a la Fargo, slowly, feet first, one at a time so the rest of them can build up a real case of ANXIETY while their waiting their ‘turn’.

  80. messianicdruid July 9, 2012 at 4:13 pm #

    “Keep up the vital work, James, especially the financial analyses, which most people can’t possibly decode!”
    “In a way, the world-view of the Party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable
    of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding they remained sane. They simply swallowed everything.” 1984 [ +28 ]

  81. Goat1080 July 9, 2012 at 4:21 pm #

    “I was in Walt Disney World a couple of weeks back. The place was packed and people were partying like it was 1999. No signed of a slow economy in the Magic Kingdom. In fact they are building a whole new addition.”
    The operative words here are “Magic” and “Kingdom” – signs of the times!!! Welcome to fantasy USA – one big Micky Mouse Outfit of a country!!!
    Waiting for the three ring circus to open in November featuring Elephants and Donkeys…going round and round and round and round and round…

  82. piltdownman July 9, 2012 at 4:25 pm #

    Jim –
    Those lightning fast cyber trades are a good analog for our current predicament. What is happening today is happening in a black box, buried under a mountain in an unknown nation. In an early time, even though powerful people were secretive and did their best to avoid scrutiny, information still needed to be written down and passed from person to person; the original “paper trail.” Now it is essentially impossible to track the code that whips around the world at the speed of light.
    In the old days, scammers and liars would usually end up being tracked down, because their exploits were obvious enough that even the average person could understand the object and scope of their crimes. Today, I fear, those same people would be lost right after you say London Interbank Offered Rate…..
    Education may be appalling bad today, but much of the fault is simply due to overcomplexity at every level of existence.

  83. JImLibra July 9, 2012 at 4:28 pm #

    I am really amazed by the U.S. government spending money to build or renovate highways like there is going to be gasoline/diesel forever. Where I live all of the main Interstate highways and their tributaries are undergoing massive reconstruction. A lot of the rural roads are also receiving attention, some seldom used. The metropolitan city where I live (Columbus Ohio)is acting like Happy Days Are Here Again. They aren’t even acting like there are grave problems that may destroy their city in short order. The shopping mall gurus here are planning more shopping centers to be located in the outer perimeters of the county, far from the shoppers, assuming that we are all going to have all the gas we need to get there. Our mass transit system is abysmal. It consists of biofuel powered buses and chartered buses for the disabled. That is it. They invested in a grandeur airport like the airlines are never going to cease flying here. Tell me whats happening.

  84. turkle July 9, 2012 at 4:28 pm #

    Perhaps someone can clarify for me, but it doesn’t seem that some extra oil supply negates the idea of Peak Oil, just pushes it back X years. Also, nearly all conventional oil supplies are going to be peaking or past peak within 20 to 30 years. Hence, there will be a corresponding decline in supply. We don’t know if shale and offshore and other non-traditional sources will be enough to counteract this overall trend, or at least I have not seen any data that suggests it will all balance out or come out on the positive side. The new predictions also presume quite a bit, e.g. that the oil underneath the Arctic can be economically extracted. Other sources of petroleum are also incredibly intense in terms of impact on the environment. Just the pictures from the Canadian tar sands extraction is enough to make your stomach turn. The amount of fresh water required may make this long-term unsustainable or just plain undesirable. So predicting 17 million more barrels per day by 2020, only a few short years away, seems incredibly over-optimistic.
    And, yes, dale, people have predicted PO for some time and been wrong. Then again, Hubbert predicted Peak Oil for the US with great accuracy. He narrowed it down to the year. The problem is that we don’t have comparably accurate data for the oil supplies of the entire planet.
    And, if you think about it, what really matters (at least I think so) is the per capita availability of energy supplies. It is kind of myopic to think there’s plenty of oil, when, in reality, most of the world gets by on little to no personal oil consumption. Where do these “hungry masses” fit into the statement that there is “plenty of oil” when even current supplies are not getting to them? Are they permanently consigned to their role as non-consumers of global energy supplies?
    That said, initial estimates of total recoverable supply in fields have generally been low-balled. I had it explained to me by a former USGS scientist that engineers are initially conservative in stating the known reserve quantities. There are also various political realities that make it more advantageous to underestimate rather than overestimate the total supply available.
    But, in let’s say the “grand” scheme of things, adding another trillion barrels of oil supply doesn’t change the overall picture. It just changes when the inevitable eventually does happen.
    The fact that these additional supplies come from such remote and difficult places, like deep offshore wells and the Arctic, should indicate that traditional, easily-accessible, land-based petroleum supplies are close or at peak, which indeed they are if you look at the data. The picture does change a bit when you start to factor in all the other so-called “non-traditional” sources, but the PO idea itself remains perfectly valid.

  85. turkle July 9, 2012 at 4:33 pm #

    “Tell me whats happening.”
    Local economic activity is heavily predicated upon supplying the necessary capital and resources to maintain and extend the existing car-based infrastructure. The very existence of all the malls, stores, restaurants, etc. depend upon the fact that people can hop in their cars and drive (relatively cheaply) to do their shopping. If that paradigm collapses, then so does your local economy, unless there is something else to take its place, which there really isn’t right now. And if there was a drop-in replacement, it would have its own extensive set of embedded expenses, like additional public transit options.

  86. turkle July 9, 2012 at 4:40 pm #

    As a counterpoint to that rather sophomoric article by Monbiot, please read this.
    I don’t know where Monbiot gets his information, but I’m pretty sure he’s not a geologist. So I don’t really trust his conclusions entirely.
    The one paper he cites from Harvard does look interesting, so I’ll take a look and see if it supports his rather bold pronouncements.

  87. dale July 9, 2012 at 4:44 pm #

    From LIBOR down to the kid mowing your lawn
    WOW!! The kid mowing my lawn is running a ponzi scheme on me? That’s the last time I loan him my rake.

  88. dale July 9, 2012 at 4:45 pm #

    I wondered what JHK’s timeline vision would be for the shattering and dissolution of the UK’s banking vampire squid.
    In case you haven’t noticed, Jimmy’s time lines haven’t been too accurate.

  89. dale July 9, 2012 at 4:48 pm #

    Romney’s face does kinda look like a horse’s ass. I guess now everytime I see him talking on the TV I’ll picture a talking horse’s ass too.
    Mr. Ed, but who’s going to play Wilber?

  90. dale July 9, 2012 at 4:50 pm #

    The fraud keeps coming. It is like the string the cat ate that eventually is seen sticking out of its butt. You pull on it and it keeps becoming longer and longer, whereby you just don’t know where it will end!!
    NOT going to be one of my favorite generalizations.

  91. dale July 9, 2012 at 4:58 pm #

    And, yes, dale, people have predicted PO for some time and been wrong. Then again, Hubbert predicted Peak Oil for the US with great accuracy. He narrowed it down to the year. The problem is that we don’t have comparably accurate data for the oil supplies of the entire planet.
    To put it succinctly, he was right once, and wrong many more times. No one has, or ever will have, “accurate data for the oil supplies of the entire planet”. If you imagine that to be possible go back and look at the estimates of oil reserves by country, state….whatever geographical boundary you wish to set, typically, the faster they pump the higher the reserves get. Check for yourself.
    I’m not saying one day it won’t come, I’m saying if you are betting anything — dollars to donuts — on any prediction regarding peak oil being correct, you are just proving you have no idea what a credible estimate looks like, or what they mean when they make such estimates.

  92. dale July 9, 2012 at 5:00 pm #

    95% of the US population would have no idea of what JHK is talking about.
    I’m going to let you guess which group JHK is in himself.

  93. dale July 9, 2012 at 5:05 pm #

    Turkle, We have problems SO much more pressing than PO, you’ll be dead 10 times before peak oil gets you. It’s always what you don’t see coming.

  94. turkle July 9, 2012 at 5:14 pm #

    Hubbert looked at the historical production curves of all major American oil fields during the early 1970’s. Extrapolating from the individual fields, he was able to build an accurate model of total US oil production. This predicted a decline in output, or the top of the curve, circa 1975. This prediction turned out to be remarkably accurate, to the point that, in that year, those arguing against him said, “But this year we’ve produced more than we ever have.” Indeed this was true, because it was the year of the peak, so that would be expected.
    But there are a few issues with extending this type of analysis to total world supply in our era. Firstly, the data available varies vastly from country to country. While America’s supplies are well-documented and relatively transparent, countries like Saudi Arabia keep their internal proven reserve numbers secret, as do most of the OPEC countries. Thus, there is a lack of accurate information to feed into an overall global predictions.
    There is also the issue that new supplies are being brought online which are unconventional. Predictions of Peak Oil relating to conventional oil supplies have been far more accurate, because even though the data is sketchy, it exists. For unconventional supplies, no one really knows how extensive these are or how much can ultimately be recovered.
    In any oil field only 20-50% is recoverable, and more towards the low end. So oil in the ground is not money in the bank. Thus the estimates of 700 billion barrels in the Bakken formation seems wildly overoptimistic to me, given that most of this is not likely to be economically recoverable.
    Of course, time will tell, and, as dale states, predictions by humans of these sorts of things tend to be inaccurate. That doesn’t mean it won’t occur someday, just like you know you’re going to die sometime. You just don’t know the exact date.

  95. turkle July 9, 2012 at 5:20 pm #

    “the faster they pump the higher the reserves get”
    But one would expect this from the way that oil exploration works. Initial estimates are almost always low, because the extent of the field is not known, and oil engineers don’t wish to overstate the reserves. Additional wells are drilled as time goes on to explore the boundaries, and oil will start to seep into the play from surrounding areas as it is pumped out. So the reserves trend upwards.
    That doesn’t mean total recoverable supply is always completely unknown, however. One can make some estimates based on reserve growth of other nearby fields to get some rough idea. I guess what I’m saying is that it is theoretically possible to make accurate estimates, given enough data. For conventional fields, this data has generally been good enough to make pretty good ballpark predictions about peak in unconventional supply. That’s why Hubbert’s analysis was good, because he was dealing with conventional, lighy oil fields. Adding in unconventional sources is a whole different ballgame, for which we are presently not all that well equipped, but I expect this to improve in the future.

  96. anti soak July 9, 2012 at 5:21 pm #

    A famous guy [and one of the 1%] said :
    [Maybe Sir Jon Templeton?]

  97. turkle July 9, 2012 at 5:24 pm #

    “We have problems SO much more pressing than PO”
    Are you saying that I should be worrying more about something else, dale? 😉
    Seriously though, I don’t necessarily divide all of human activity into discrete problems. Peak Oil and its ramifications most definitely feeds into our whole situation and relates strongly to almost any environmental and sustainability issue. At least, interpreting events has become more transparent for me seen through this lenses of resource depletion.
    I still think the main issue is energy supply per capita. I wouldn’t look only at the total yearly production. That’s quite misleading. I think it has to be compared to global population for the numbers to mean anything (e.g. oil consumed per person).

  98. anti soak July 9, 2012 at 5:28 pm #

    Good Cop – Bad Cop. A friend of mine has been to Ivanas Mansion, and its quite swank.
    She is part of the 1%.
    Her ex, Mr Huffington, his fortune is from East Timor Oil. Thats where countless natives were killed. And he spent megamillions OF HIS OWN MONEY
    trying to get elected here in California.
    Ivana is the enemy.
    She is part of the 1%.
    Me, I avoid the glib libs at HP.

  99. dale July 9, 2012 at 5:42 pm #

    That doesn’t mean total recoverable supply is always completely unknown, however. One can make some estimates based on reserve growth of other nearby fields to get some rough idea. I guess what I’m saying is that it is theoretically possible to make accurate estimates, given enough data.
    Sounds good, however you slice it unfortunately, they have always been grossly in error, in terms of estimating any total amount of available oil. My guess…..by the time it matters, it won’t matter.

  100. dale July 9, 2012 at 5:45 pm #

    It appear Turkle, no matter how many times oil estimates are wrong you maintain “faith” that one day they will get it right. O.K. by me….but take a close look at that next time, before you start disparaging other people’s belief systems.

  101. newworld July 9, 2012 at 5:58 pm #

    The Left has committed a hate crime against the minds of its follower. Of course wealth and resource control is going to flow to the 1%. It will be done in the name of equality and the enviroment. And since you are all atheist heathens with your own superstitions the 1% will drag out numerous PHDs to tell you that academia agrees.

  102. Jam47 July 9, 2012 at 5:59 pm #

    Toronto the vulnerable.
    Big-city life is an electrical event. No electricity, no big-city life.
    Take Toronto. Up here, in 2003, the power went out city-wide, as it did elsewhere. The outage lasted for three days. Some complained, some treated the interruption as an adventure.
    But what if the outage had lasted for three weeks or three months? And had occurred during winter rather than summer? Wouldn’t have been pretty.
    Toronto is a very nice city in which to live. Everyone says so. Things are clean: the streets, the sidewalks, the public parks, of which there are many. A big museum, lots of art galleries, good public transport, and organic food outlets that are never very far away. Not much crime, and ethnic festivals all over the place. And so on and so on.
    Imagine now a suffer-list, a list composed of North America’s twenty five most populous cities. At the top of the list is the city whose inhabitants would suffer the most in the event of an extended power cut. The list would descend from there.
    I suspect that Toronto, so convenient and pleasure-giving and comfortable, would take top spot. And if a power-supply shutdown were actually to occur, the feeling of self-entitlement that’s common to the people who live here would only sharpen the pain.

  103. mow July 9, 2012 at 6:13 pm #

    where dem dere obama bucks ?

  104. turkle July 9, 2012 at 6:14 pm #

    Dale, I’m not saying anyone will ever get it perfectly right, just that the accuracy of the reserve estimates will most certainly improve in the future, as the ramifications of large unconventional supplies are understood. The petroleum industry and the energy think tanks will likely converge on some better numbers. So, for instance, total recoverable estimates will likely improve immensely in the next 5 or 10 years, as the new shale and offshore plays come online.
    What belief system is it that I am supposedly disparaging, the one that says oil supplies will last indefinitely because the earth has a creamy nugget center filled with petrol? If so, I have no problem with doing this. Arguing that Peak Oil will never occur is kind of absurd and nonphysical, like saying you don’t ever plan on dying.

  105. turkle July 9, 2012 at 6:23 pm #

    dale, one thing you do all the time here that annoys me to no end is assume that because you don’t know, that no one can know. Then you use this position of self-ignorance to argue against whatever it is the other person wants to state, like an argument for some scientific knowledge or principle.
    Well, why even have any conversations about anything at all if you’re convinced that no one can ever know anything? I don’t see the point, unless you just want to annoy the person you’re debating with on the internet.
    As regards conventional oil supply, Hubbert made accurate predictions about the US peak. Others have probably been within plus or minus five years as regards peak of traditional world oil supplies. The unknown player right now throwing everyone for a loop is these large unconventional fields, like shale oil and offshore.
    With shale oil, it is almost like a different resource entirely, as if you told me you are running out of apples, so I give you kumquat. So, yeah, the experts have been off. That’s no reason to argue that we can’t know at all, period, in which case we should just stop discussing this, and you can go meditate or whatever.

  106. turkle July 9, 2012 at 6:25 pm #

    “I suspect that Toronto, so convenient and pleasure-giving and comfortable, would take top spot.”
    Come down to the lower 48, and I’ll show you a few top contenders. Toronto wouldn’t make my list.

  107. turkle July 9, 2012 at 6:26 pm #

    Congratulations on making a post that is entirely a non sequitur.

  108. anti soak July 9, 2012 at 6:35 pm #

    ‘Toronto the vulnerable’, What City is safe? Huh?
    The truck farms now are suburbs and the natives quite restless.

  109. messianicdruid July 9, 2012 at 6:35 pm #

    No Hoveround for me:

  110. progress4spam July 9, 2012 at 6:53 pm #

    Very nicely acerbic prose this week, JHK.
    Plus, zero mention of the Southland as the root of all evil, and only one mention of tattoos – amazing!
    And I like your ending paragraph – tattoos and all.
    “And if you can’t stand that spectacle, just look around at America itself: a wasteland of futile motoring and discount shopping populated by depressed, overfed clowns bedizened with sinister tattoos …”
    Here’s a link giving an investment/business look at the LIBOR criminality. Comments to this link will be interesting to some.
    Comments to CFN are looking better than average too, thus far. No all-seeing know-it-all has yet appeared. And I believe no one has mentioned the R-word a single time, as of yet.
    Enjoy it while it lasts, folks.
    Like light, sweet crude – unfortunately – nothing lasts forever.
    SNAFU; from last week – I read your link on the origins of authoritarianism as being purely Southern. Author did a fine job of making the evidence fit the premises. Hancock would have enjoyed it – especially in his early days of posting to CFN.
    But SNAFU, my friend, nothing as complicated as authoritarianism in the US – should be reduced so as to appear so simple or so linear.
    And that’s about all I’ll have to say about that.

  111. dale July 9, 2012 at 7:13 pm #

    Dale, I’m not saying anyone will ever get it perfectly right, just that the accuracy of the reserve estimates will most certainly improve in the future, as the ramifications of large unconventional supplies are understood.
    At this point, I see no reason to believe reserves will ever be “known”, at least not within any meaningful timeframe. It has, since oil first oozed out of the ground, been an unknown quantity. Until I see some evidence analysts predictions are any better than spinning a roulette wheel, I’ll remain skeptical, as should anyone who has taken a good look at “expert” data on this topic for the last few decades.
    Turkle, you want so badly to believe in science as the “god-who-will-one-day-have-all-the-answers”, you are blind to its limitations.

  112. dale July 9, 2012 at 7:17 pm #

    one thing you do all the time here that annoys me to no end is assume that because you don’t know, that no one can know
    What should annoy you more is the idea that those who have never known, will somehow soon know.
    That BTW — is the difference between what you attributed to me and what I actually said.

  113. dale July 9, 2012 at 7:25 pm #

    As regards conventional oil supply, Hubbert made accurate predictions about the US peak.
    This BTW — is also not true, Hubbert predicted a bell shaped curve, nothing like that has occurred. Production is now going up, as a function of increased prices and technological improvements in drilling and recovery.
    Besides, even if your “experts” get the supply issue right some day (a huge “if”) that still says nothing about demand, which can also change drastically with technological change. We’ve had luddites like JHK around for hundreds of years telling us one form of technological progress or another was “over”, no rational person would try to predict such a thing. The only know limit to technology at this point, is apparently the limit of some people’s imagination.

  114. progress4spam July 9, 2012 at 7:25 pm #

    We know interrupt this brawl between dale and turkle (turk’s ahead on points, BTW) to direct your attention to the latest Fred on Everything:
    An excerpt:
    “Next, why do the cognitively challenged say that Obama is a socialist? The man is an arch-conservative. (I’m not sure what arches have to do with it, but never mind.) He bailed out Wall Street, the beating heart of predatory capitalism, and then carefully didn’t prosecute those who masterminded the sub-prime scan. Socialists hate Wall Street. Obama breast-feeds it. And he sends the military to bomb every country he has heard of, which is very conservative. He is ideally qualified to be president of Guatemala.”
    Wish Fred had a comments section?
    That would likely be a much larger Cluster Fuck (tm JHK!) than this one is.

  115. newworld July 9, 2012 at 7:31 pm #

    Another Corzine special hot off the presses. PFGBest a futures broker has as of now absconded by re-hypothecation their client’s funds, 220 million, so far.
    “Trust” that about sums it up.

  116. bproman July 9, 2012 at 7:45 pm #

    I doubt they will be handing out gold medals to those bungling banking bafoons.

  117. turkle July 9, 2012 at 7:46 pm #

    See here’s another case of the same. Just because
    you don’t know how to estimate recoverable resources doesn’t mean no one else does. It has much more to do with a lack of quality data than the answer being intrinsically unknown. You would need access to quality, accurate data of oil production in all the world’s major oil fields in order to do the analysis. This doesn’t exist, at least not in a publicly accessible form, hence the sketchiness of the estimates. Now throw in all these additional new supplies of shale oil, oil shale, tar sands, et al. and the old models are way off. I’m not disputing it, but we are likely to do better with the estimates in the future once this data is all better known and integrated.
    Hubbert’s peak is a model, not an exact prediction. Nothing follows an exact Gaussian distribution. That would be freakish. On the overall fit, he did pretty good. I don’t believe he could have forseen the exact impact of new unconventional oil supplies and enhanced recovery on old fields. This is impossible. So he followed the basic curve, and it turned out to be not exactly right, but it wasn’t all that wrong either. We not talking about 100% knowledge like the fact that I know I just had a coffee. This data has big error bars on it.
    “What should annoy you more is the idea that those who have never known, will somehow soon know.”
    Well, at one time most people thought the earth was flat. Now we know it is round. So there were some people, presumably at some point, who thought it was flat and that you could sail a ship off the side, who then changed their mind about it after a convincing conversation. (“Hey, did you hear the world is round?”) So, sometimes if you never knew, you can eventually know someday once there is better information available.
    One thing we can agree upon is that humans are bad at making long term predictions. I think we had this discussion before. People like to compress their future predictions into their own time scale, but usually things take a lot longer. I wonder if there’s a fancy name for this effect.

  118. turkle July 9, 2012 at 7:50 pm #

    Turkle, you want so badly to believe in science as the “god-who-will-one-day-have-all-the-answers”, you are blind to its limitations.

    Not really, dale. There’s always more questions. I realize this. But that doesn’t mean we can’t answer some of them with a reasonable and useful degree of accuracy. Shall we have a big debate (again) about which ones?

  119. ozone July 9, 2012 at 8:03 pm #

    “In case you haven’t noticed, Jimmy’s time lines haven’t been too accurate.” -d
    This may be true, but it doesn’t lessen my curiosity to read what his predictions might be.
    How’z’about you?

  120. Kurt Cagle July 9, 2012 at 8:05 pm #

    The “normal summer heat wave” that George Will recently made such light of came through as hurricane force winds through Washington DC and Annapolis, MD, knocking 2 1/2 million people off the power grid for several days, including myself. The end of that same heat wave came through last night as another heavy lightning storm, dropping a few tens of thousands back out after they had just had their power restored.
    Societies very seldom fall due to one thing alone. They are like large trees in that regard. A healthy tree stands against wind and lightning and heat and insects, can often withstand forest fires and the worst cold snaps. Yet a tree that is rotting becomes more vulnerable. This is what we face today. Peak Oil (and oil availability) is one form of rot. Global warming is another, with rising sea levels soon becoming another factor. Social systems begin to fall apart, corruption sets in, and pretty soon the cohesive glue that keeps a society together fragments and crumbles. The society still stands, but it becomes vulnerable.
    I don’t think anyone can predict what the event will be that brings on the next phase of the collapse (we’ve BEGUN the collapse already). My personal take is that the oligarchs will not meet their end at the hands of enraged mobs, but will instead be taken out in the middle of the night by their own security staffs, or will happen through assassination as the oligarchs begin to reduce the weaker members of their own class in the face of a shrinking pie of resources. Of course, the problem with weakening the rule of law is that private law (privilege) will only protect you as long as you pay your own praetorian guard. Be that as it may, those waiting for a revolution may very well want to think about what they are wishing for. We know the answers – take back our leadership, stop waiting for others to solve our problems, stop looking for a technological or some other form of magical fix. Delegitimization has begun, and someday it will end, but it may be our particular lot in life to be the ones who deal with the fallout. Life sucks that way.
    I have Too MUCH Magic on my bedstand and will read it next in my queue.

  121. turkle July 9, 2012 at 8:10 pm #

    The only know limit to technology at this point, is apparently the limit of some people’s imagination.

    That is a patently ridiculous statement. Human technology has strict limitations imposed by the laws of physics, just like everything else. Sheesh.

  122. turkle July 9, 2012 at 8:12 pm #

    “Societies very seldom fall due to one thing alone. They are like large trees in that regard. A healthy tree stands against wind and lightning and heat and insects, can often withstand forest fires and the worst cold snaps. Yet a tree that is rotting becomes more vulnerable. This is what we face today. Peak Oil (and oil availability) is one form of rot. Global warming is another, with rising sea levels soon becoming another factor. Social systems begin to fall apart, corruption sets in, and pretty soon the cohesive glue that keeps a society together fragments and crumbles. The society still stands, but it becomes vulnerable.”
    This is such a good paragraph that I wanted to quote it. Thanks.

  123. turkle July 9, 2012 at 8:22 pm #

    dale, do you see a fundamental contradiction in the way you think about science? On the one hand, all you seem to do here is question its conclusions and impose rather strict limits on its ability to discover knowledge. On the other, you state that technology, part of science, has no limits and will, apparently, solve most of our problems in the future. You’re a bit schizophrenic, I’d say. You have no problem questioning conclusions from fields that you don’t understand all that well, and then you’re willing to turn around basically say, “They will think of something.” Color me confused.

  124. Kurt Cagle July 9, 2012 at 8:26 pm #

    Humans are seemingly hard-wired for narrative. We want our stories to end with a clear note of finality. We want the heroes to win or to at least fail spectacularly. We want the villains to get their comeuppance. When we predict the future, that prediction is simply a means of resolving the tension of the internal narrative. Once the tension is resolved, we can get on with our lives, start new stories, but for now, the tension is almost unbearable.
    There is no grand conspiracy, only a lot of little conspiracies. Mostly history is made by people who become so short-sighted that they fail to realize what they are doing until after a tipping point is reached and they cannot undo it. Occasionally there is collusion, but keep in mind that the people who are doing the most damage for the most part are functional sociopaths who cannot abide the thought of leaving a competitor standing. They have underlings that they rule through fear, and they have equals who are simply targets for the next takeover.
    We’ve lived for nearly eighty years without war coming “home” – for most Americans living today, was was always in some remote, “primitive” hell hole. 9/11 was a reminder that such home war was still a possibility, and we went through a decade of panic, including destabilizing the economy (quite possibly fatally), in reaction. Yet war will come, possibly a civil war, possibly a conflict with one of the many countries we’ve pissed off over the years. I think the former more likely, though you can bet that there will be nations lining up to supply each faction with weapons. We’re not quite there yet – this drama still has a few years to play out, but they will be dark and bleak – the turn in the plot where the hero takes the wrong path, makes the wrong decision, after vanquishing the immediate villain, and then has to deal with the consequences. In the end the hero emerges, older and wiser, but the path to get there can be bleak indeed.

  125. Gus44 July 9, 2012 at 9:01 pm #

    Never understood gold buggery (or silver or platinum). If things get so bad that currencies have collapsed, what good is gold? Like currency, it has value because we agree it does. You can’t eat it, it makes shitty tools, it has few practical uses to the average person. I’m not trading a bushel of tomatoes for a pound of gold if things are that bad.

  126. dale July 9, 2012 at 9:44 pm #

    You’re turning my statements into absolutes where I have implied none. My simple statement is this: At this point in time, there is little evidence to suggest that anyone has the knowledge to predict oil depletion, much less the consequences that will follow, if there are any. I’m not saying it won’t happen….or that it will….or that it will matter if it does.
    The only know limit to technology at this point, is apparently the limit of some people’s imagination.

    “That is a patently ridiculous statement. Human technology has strict limitations imposed by the laws of physics, just like everything else. Sheesh.”
    Really? The “strict laws of physics”, that’s cute, still haven’t read Hawking, I see. Still living in that old Model T world of scientific materialism. I guess believing in strict laws make you feel kinda comfortable, but I thought that was for old guys like me. As you age (gracefully I hope) and have seen what you regard as impossible, happen over and over again….you’ll have a better understanding of how people confuse the limits of their imagination with the limits of what is possible.
    Like Bob Dylan said…..”I was so much older then, I’m younger than that now.”
    Over and out.

  127. Jam47 July 9, 2012 at 9:59 pm #

    If someone states outright that he is educated, or even implies that he is, he gives someone else an open invitation to take him to task.
    Your third paragraph ends with a parenthetical expression in which the pronoun “one” is followed by the pronoun “they.” A point-of-view switch of this sort violates a fundamental principle of English usage.
    You then go on to make a point about Egypt, Greece, Rome, Chaldea, England, and Spain, something to the effect (I have to interpret) that they are no longer powers of consequence because they lacked an educated citizenry. This is a massive generalization that is massively wrong.
    In the old days, an educated person needed to know the basics of grammar, at the very least. He was also required to have a grasp of the outlines of history.
    Am I educated? Certainly not. And if I were, I think I’d understand the perils of saying that I was.

  128. Karen July 9, 2012 at 11:53 pm #

    Hi Jim, I enjoy your humor amidst your gloom and read your column every week. I was wondering if you have read this book. You probably have, but just in case you hadn’t, I thought I would recommend it to you because I loved it and I think you would too. It’s about land ethics. http://empty-nest-expat.blogspot.com/2012/07/book-that-made-me-crazy-with.html

  129. dale July 10, 2012 at 12:12 am #

    “In case you haven’t noticed, Jimmy’s time lines haven’t been too accurate.” -d
    This may be true, but it doesn’t lessen my curiosity to read what his predictions might be.
    How’z’about you?
    I actually do like to read JHK, always did, it was better when he was talking about something he actually knows something about, architecture and architectural criticism…but he’s still amusing.
    I’m actually a little envious that he can make what I’m sure is a good living commenting on something he so obviously knows so little about. The simple truth is he lacks the intellect, training, or most importantly the temperament, to hold forth as an authority on a topic of this complexity.
    But I guess he’s a good enough writer to pull it off! So Bravo.

  130. dale July 10, 2012 at 12:18 am #

    Occasionally there is collusion, but keep in mind that the people who are doing the most damage for the most part are functional sociopaths who cannot abide the thought of leaving a competitor standing. They have underlings that they rule through fear, and they have equals who are simply targets for the next takeover.
    I gather you spent some time in corporate America?

  131. turkle July 10, 2012 at 12:21 am #

    That’s cute, dale. Let’s perform a little experiment to test the immutability of scientific laws as regards humanity. Go find the tallest building in your town. Then think as hard as you can about flying. Now jump off the top of it. Since the impossible can now be made possible with a thought, according to the church of dale, you should take off like a bird rather than splatter onto the sidewalk. You can go ahead and do the experiment to prove your point. Let me know the results. I’ll wait. If you don’t report back in 24 hours, I hope it will be safe to assume that the physical theory of gravity is still in effect and that you haven’t been able to negate it with feelings of smug self-assurance.

  132. ovplors179 July 10, 2012 at 12:21 am #

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  133. Vlad Krandz July 10, 2012 at 12:53 am #

    Glad you have seen thru Dale – the god that failed. He is exactly what he accuses Mr Kunstler of – a Master Bullshitter.
    And you do exactly what you accuse him of in regard to religion – you don’t know and/or don’t care so you just call it all bullshit.

  134. anti soak July 10, 2012 at 1:10 am #

    ‘scientific materialism’, as opposed to what?
    Deep Pockets Chopra and his ‘quantum healing’?

  135. Mike Moskos July 10, 2012 at 3:43 am #

    So where does the individual put his/her money:
    –Any investment that saves you money (to re-use your home’s water more than once, insulate, insulate, insulate, solar, etc.)
    –“peer to peer lending”
    –lending to local businesses, esp. food businesses. Look up Slow Money.
    No matter what happens to the “masters of the universe”, we’ll all survive. In the late 70s/early 80s, my family used to spend summers with our relatives in Greece. Those in the tiny villages of Northern Greece and Crete lived much as peasants do: no cars, 1-2 phones and TVs in the village, etc. Most had toilets in the home by then because the central government was demanding it. But the food was GOOD and they were happy. Happier, I’d say than most Americans. If that’s the future, nothing to worry about.

  136. lsjogren July 10, 2012 at 3:44 am #

    “George Osborne urged to apologise to Ed Balls over Libor scandal claims”
    There’s a joke in there somewhere but I couldn’t find it.

  137. Eleuthero July 10, 2012 at 5:38 am #

    Well, I see that the latest posts have very little to do with the theme of this site. Perhaps it’s time to get back “on task”. I had wished, selfishly, that somehow the powers that be really WOULD hold the whole financial game afloat through constant “kick the can” tactics for about ten years so I could enjoy my retirement. I’ve certainly enjoyed year one.
    I’m here to say that we don’t have even five and that’s being rather optimistic. Besides multiple ominous happenings like the bankruptcy of Stockton, CA (largest municipal bankruptcy in US history, Stockton is NOT a small town, it’s 220,000), the Chinese PMI going into contraction (5% there used to be a “recession”), and renewed saber rattling from Iran (with the confidence that Russia and China will, in no way, allow US Naval shenanigans), and our never ending violation of everyone’s sovereignty … well, there’s too many loose threads on this sweater.
    There are 200,000 janitors in the USA with bachelor’s degrees or better. Tech is the new “sweat shop” industry with gullible kids being stuffed, 5-10 per apartment, by VCs giving them a subsistence wage for 15 hour days. Otherwise, there’s just too many clothes, too many gadgets, too many THINGS in the world and the roof has been hit. Unbelievably, there are even too many NURSES now since after the tech crash of 2001, everybody rushed all at once into medical stuff. It’s hard to name an industry that doesn’t have a personnel glut.
    Roubini came out today and said that 2013 is “the perfect storm” and it comes across as credible. The dike has too many holes and we just don’t have enough fingers.

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    ‘Dale’ seems to be taking over for Asoka here as resident contrarian and ballbuster. Maybe ‘Dale’ is Asoka. But he also sounds a lot like the character known as ‘Bustin J’. Who knows?
    Not much in the business press about the Libor scandal, not in IBD or or the WSJ. The London Financial Times covered it last week, nothing today. Give it a few more days, it will disappear as a story completely.

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  156. ozone July 10, 2012 at 7:35 am #

    *(Non-coverage of the LIBOR scandal.)
    Whither then, the financial press?
    Seems to me that trust is society’s glue. It’s also what holds “the market” together. If they’re not disposed to write about huge matters of loss of trust/confidence, are they just going to engage in smoke-blowing happy-talk? I don’t see that as a good strategy for staying in business very long…

  157. Widespreadpanic7 July 10, 2012 at 8:33 am #

    Nice crisp morning, eh Oz?
    While the rest of the US is broiling over.
    Like I said, we are truly blessed here in NE. (but avoid the cities, except Boston)

  158. ozone July 10, 2012 at 8:52 am #

    Pretty damn nice, indeed! (Supposed to be like this for another couple days.)
    Just to bitch a bit, guess we could use some rain soon, but with temps not too-too high, it looks as though things aren’t drying up as quickly as they might.
    (Reminds me that I’ve got to get busy on a spring-fed, gravity driven watering system outline. Measurements, components, etc.)

  159. Muman July 10, 2012 at 9:32 am #

    America no longer has a mythology with which to dream up a meaningful future. We collectively have diluted and watered-down the last few remaining character-building stories that had once been our guiding stars to a bright future. After we ‘tamed’ the wild west we began to fester, like boils upon a dying cadaver. All citizens of earth will soon be forced to look into a bleak abyss of every kind of poverty created by self-aggrandizing greed. Therein we shall behold the remaining shards of nature, strewn in tatters. If we (collectively) don’t wise up and acknowledge our folly there may be little with which to work with in the new stone age. What a shame that we are again condemned to repeat the past having failed to learn the lessons of past collapsed systems. “Wow,everything looks groovy from here!”

  160. dale July 10, 2012 at 9:48 am #

    scientific materialism’, as opposed to what?
    Deep Pockets Chopra and his ‘quantum healing’?
    Hawking, Zeilinger, Bohm, Wheeler etc. etc. etc.

  161. dale July 10, 2012 at 10:01 am #

    This guy is like JHk on steroids and with an education.

  162. dale July 10, 2012 at 10:20 am #

    Interesting article below on why more information doesn’t necessarily lead to greater accuracy. A microcosm of the problem associated with extremely complex systems such as oil supply.

  163. Pucker July 10, 2012 at 10:38 am #

    That’s an interesting article about e-commerce in China. Thanks for that!
    Your friend,

  164. Pucker July 10, 2012 at 10:48 am #

    Who will be America’s first Mexican president?

  165. Kyooshtik July 10, 2012 at 11:08 am #

    there may be little with which to work with in the new stone age.
    You have screwed up this sentence by using the word with twice. Here are two options for correcting it. Take your pick.
    . there may be little with which to work in the new stone age.
    …or the less stodgy
    . there may be little to work with in the new stone age.

  166. anti soak July 10, 2012 at 11:16 am #

    Maybe a year or 2 ago, NYT, in the Magazine Section gave the last page to a color pic of Vincente Fox,
    Maybe find that story.
    He lauded Mexican Immigration el norte.
    ‘What do we contribute’? ‘MEXICAN FOOD’
    Actually ‘they’ contribute people, crime, cocaine.
    And $ going back is in their top 3 of Industries>
    Cash, Cocaine, Oil.
    VVF, our first Mexican Presidente!!!!
    Their biggest export, people.

  167. Pucker July 10, 2012 at 11:28 am #

    I wonder how many secret experiments have really been performed attempting to reanimate the dead? Fantasies of armies of zombies….

  168. Widespreadpanic7 July 10, 2012 at 12:10 pm #

    AntSoak … a few weeks back Time Magazine ran that cover story ‘Why Hispanics Will Pick the Next President.”
    When Ted Kennedy sponsored legislation in 1965 opening up the US to 3rd world immigration he assured nervous legislators in both parties that the demographic mix of the US would not change significantly.
    Anybody else find astonishing that an alien people speaking a foreign language can determine the outcome of a US presidential election? Has anything like this ever happened in the history of the world?

  169. Widespreadpanic7 July 10, 2012 at 12:14 pm #

    On the other hand, who gives a s–t hat Time Magazine says about anything?

  170. Rhino July 10, 2012 at 12:50 pm #

    I don’t think anyone can predict what the event will be that brings on the next phase of the collapse … KC
    That’s my take also. We look at historic events – what happened after the assassination of the Archduke Ferdinand, the American Revolution etc – and events appear to unfold as they should. It all looks logical in retrospect. The US won the battle of Midway, the Allies prevailed in the North Atlantic, Germany was defeated by the USSR. All this appears to have happened because it logically should have.
    But it doesn’t look that way from the perspective of history as it’s being lived. From the point of view of September 1939 nobody had clue one that Hitler would invade the USSR, nobody knew in 1914 what was ahead, from the perspective of 1917 it looked like Kaiser Bill might win the whole shooting match.
    Similarly we sit now waiting for what exactly? IMO when it comes it will be one big surprise and it will lead to a train of events that nobody would have expected. Nobody maybe except for some voices shouting from the rooftops but certainly nobody in respectable society, nobody with a level head and certifiable credentials. How many predicted the 2008 meltdown? A few people maybe but the vast majority were sleepwalking to disaster.

  171. dale July 10, 2012 at 12:57 pm #

    In connection with a project I’ve been involved with updating information on several state’s economic data, I’ve reviewed oil production and reserves data for 10 western states. With one exception all have increased production, sometimes dramatically, in the last few years. At the same time production has been ramping up so has the quantity of reserves, again often pretty significantly. Large changes are often occurring over relatively short periods of time.
    What that suggests to me, is reserve figures are not to be taken as absolute in any way, rather they are statistical estimates based on a range of possibilities, such as drilling technology, estimating ability, price, and method of calculation…..among many factors. If they are intended to be taken as “absolute estimates of what is in the ground”, then history would suggest, very clearly I think, that they are worthless.
    Also, I see nothing in this data that would suggest to me they are getting any closer to knowing “absolute quantities”. That would be nothing but conjecture. Maybe they are, or maybe they will someday, but for now, the data suggests they have been throwing darts in the dark.
    Anyway, here is the site for the sources, do your own research. Choose three large production states, review reserve and production data from 10, and 5 years ago. What do the numbers actually tell you? That makes a little more sense than listening to gadfly’s on websites, who have books to sell.

  172. dale July 10, 2012 at 12:59 pm #

    A few people maybe but the vast majority were sleepwalking to disaster.
    As history shows, well said.

  173. Vlad Krandz July 10, 2012 at 1:01 pm #

    Put on John Lennon and just imagine every illegal immigrant and every green card refugee and every HB1 invader being deported at gun point. This would go a long way towards brining back America. All those Black kids wasting away in the cities? Get them out in the fields to work. All those White “College” kids? Get them into the factories. All those bankers and politicians? Get them into the washrooms as cleaners and shoe shine boys.

  174. Vlad Krandz July 10, 2012 at 1:06 pm #

    Yes who would have thought the Arch Duke would be taken down by Princip, an agent of the Black Hand? Or that Huey Long would be gunned down by a Jewish eye doctor? But can we surmise that that doctor was a member of a secret society who drew the short straw? Yes, since Huey Long fully intended to check the Banks as Jackson had down decades before.
    And can we surmise that Ron Paul would have had a similar “accident” if he had won the election? I think so.

  175. ozone July 10, 2012 at 1:07 pm #

    There are times to put to rest endless quibbling and equivocation. I trust Mr. Hedges observation that right about now is one of those times.
    “I saw this collective capacity for self-delusion among the urban elites in Sarajevo and later Pristina during the wars in Bosnia and Kosovo. These educated elites steadfastly refused to believe that war was possible although acts of violence by competing armed bands had already begun to tear at the social fabric. At night you could hear gunfire. But they were the last to “know.” And we are equally self-deluded. The physical evidence of national decay—the crumbling infrastructures, the abandoned factories and other workplaces, the rows of gutted warehouses, the closure of libraries, schools, fire stations and post offices—that we physically see, is, in fact, unseen. The rapid and terrifying deterioration of the ecosystem, evidenced in soaring temperatures, droughts, floods, crop destruction, freak storms, melting ice caps and rising sea levels, are met blankly with Steiner’s “blind eye”.” -C.H.

  176. Vlad Krandz July 10, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

    It may well be Puck. Are the recent spate of Zombie attacks (see article) due to “bath salts” or the magnetic rays from a Sun about to go beserk?
    That the zombie meme has been developed and nurtured hasn’t helped either. People do tend to act out what they see.

  177. Vlad Krandz July 10, 2012 at 1:13 pm #

    C.H? Charlton Heston? Steiner? Rudolf?
    Rudolf Steiner visited Madam Neitzsche and she took him into her brother’s sick room. Floating above his comatose body, Steiner saw the soul of our Master Friedrich. It was, he said, the most beautiful of any he had ever seen.

  178. Vlad Krandz July 10, 2012 at 1:15 pm #

    done not down. The magnetic rays of the Sun are effecting my brain. I need to expose myself to the rays of the full moon as an anecdote.

  179. Vlad Krandz July 10, 2012 at 1:16 pm #

    antidote not anecdote. Fucking Sun. At least I caught myself before the Q creature did.

  180. ozone July 10, 2012 at 1:22 pm #

    Hope it’s clear from that snippet that Chris Hedges was THERE (amongst other war-zones). If not, I should have noted it.

  181. Vlad Krandz July 10, 2012 at 1:22 pm #

    Oh shit, the next step. Scranton leads the way cutting police and fire to MINIMUM WAGE. It must needs be, but who cares? Police are going to be on the side of Obama and Co. Well played my Leftist Friends, well played. Exactly as foretold by Jack London in his novel, The Iron Heel.
    But what about City Officials, like you Mayor, minimum wage too?
    As Jeremiah said, the heart is corrupt above all thing.

  182. messianicdruid July 10, 2012 at 1:28 pm #

    A great article:
    Liberty Is A State of Being

  183. messianicdruid July 10, 2012 at 1:30 pm #

    “I need to expose myself to the rays of the full moon as an anecdote.”
    The result might be an anecdote.

  184. messianicdruid July 10, 2012 at 1:35 pm #

    “And can we surmise that Ron Paul would have had a similar “accident” if he had won the election?”
    Which “election” are you talking about?

  185. asoka.. July 10, 2012 at 1:46 pm #

    JHK said:

    Europe and America have been buying a month here, a month there (of a fragile, continuing status quo) on the installment plan.

    Actually, no. They have been buying a year here, four years there, muddling along by expertly kicking the can down the road. This can go on for decades, if not centuries.
    For example, today in Brussels the Euro zone ministers agreed to grant Spain an extra year until 2014 to reach its deficit reduction targets. And so it goes…
    I’m feeling more and more compassion for those who long for doom and gloom, for those who yearn for social disorder, for those who fantasize blood in the streets, etc. They see collapse coming … soon … always just around the corner.
    Collapse ain’t happenin’. Just the opposite is:
    There are so many positive developments happening globally the idea of collapse is irrational and delusional.

  186. Rhino July 10, 2012 at 1:48 pm #

    We have this tendency to minimize in our own minds the likelihood that a calamity will happen when in fact disasters happen all the time.
    We think that the beards in Iran are “rational”. So if they acquire nukes it’s no biggie. Right? But why would we assume this? Was it “rational” for Japan to attack Pear Harbor? Was it “rational” for Germany to attack the USSR? People do crazy shit all the time.
    I’ll bet that most people thought the levees around Lake Pontchartrain were up to the task. Who designed and built them after all? The US Army Corp of Engineers? Who can doubt their skill and good intentions? But then Katrina hit.
    I’ll bet the fine folks in Japan “knew” that an earthquake and tsunami could happen and took “reasonable” precautions with seaside walls to protect them against incoming water. Except that “reasonable” precautions turned out to be totally inadequate. The waters hopped over the barriers as if they weren’t there.
    And what about the safety measures taken at the Fukushima nuclear plant?. I’ll bet that the regulators and the power plant operators looked at them as being more than adequate to deal with reasonably foreseeable problems. They probably saw themselves as diligent people with experience and good judgement. Except that nature doesn’t take into account what people think is likely or reasonable. Nature does what nature does.

  187. messianicdruid July 10, 2012 at 1:54 pm #

    “Has anything like this ever happened in the history of the world?”
    The language part, maybe not:
    “The conquest of Edom, or Idumea (as it was then known by its Greek name), began with Judas Maccabeus in 163 B.C., according to 1 Maccabees 5:3-8. Eventually, Edom ceased to be a nation in 126 B.C. when John Hyrcanus of Judah finished his conquest and forcibly converted the remaining Edomites to Judaism. Never again was there a nation called Edom or Idumea. The story is told in great detail by the first-century Jewish historian, Josephus, in his Antiquities of the Jews, XIII, ix, 1. Here we read:
    “Hyrcanus took also Dora and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued all the Idumeans ; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would be circumcised, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision and the rest of the Jews’ ways of living; at which time therefore, this befell them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews.”
    Josephus was the first-century Jewish historian who initially fought against the Romans in the war that destroyed Jerusalem. He was himself a descendant of the Maccabees. He was well-acquainted with these things when he wrote of them, because he was writing about his own family history. The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition under ” Edom,” affirms the Edomite absorption into Jewry, saying,
    “Judas Maccabeus conquered their territory for a time (B.C. 163; Ant. Xii, 8 par. 1, 2). They were again subdued by John Hyrcanus (c. 125 B.C.) by whom they were forced to observe Jewish rites and laws ( ib. 9, par. 1; xiv. 4, par. 4). They were then incorporated with the Jewish nation, and their country was called by the Greeks and Romans ‘Idumea’ (Mark iii. 8; Ptolemy, Geography v. 16). [ here it is >>> ] With Antipater began the Idumean dynasty that ruled over Judea till its conquest by the Romans. Immediately before the siege of Jerusalem 20,000 Idumeans, under the leadership of John, Simeon, Phinehas, and Jacob, appeared before Jerusalem to fight in behalf of the zealots who were besieged in the Temple (Josephus, B.J. iv. 4, par. 5).
    “From this time the Idumeans ceased to be a separate people.”
    This is confirmed again by The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol. 5, p. 41, which says, “Edom is in modern Jewry.”
    Edom was absorbed by the Jews and ceased to be a separate people in history. At the time of Christ’s ministry, they were the ruling secular and religious powers of Canaan.

  188. messianicdruid July 10, 2012 at 2:06 pm #

    “It’s hard to name an industry that doesn’t have a personnel glut.”
    I wonder if limiting the number of doctors has contributed to the high cost of sickness.

  189. asoka.. July 10, 2012 at 2:17 pm #

    Rhino, like Vlad the Japanese made a big mistake in believing that America, as a nation of diverse races of peoples, was a mongoloid mix incapable of acting with a united singular resolve. That perception was fueled by the propaganda of Japan.
    Just as Vlad believes whites are superior to Blacks, the Japanese believed Yamato Race were a superior people. Just as anti soak believes Mexicans here are aliens, America was very alien to the Japanese.
    What Vlad and anti soak fail to appreciate is that diversity is strength.
    The Japanese failed to appreciate the strength of USA diversity. They did not understand how such a diverse group of immigrants of different national and racial origins could possibly form a united nation in opposition to Japan.
    To become stronger we need more diversity. We need to open our borders and welcome more immigrants, especially Mexicans and Muslims. We should want Mexicans and Muslims here with us, as friends, and not as enemies.

  190. Widespreadpanic7 July 10, 2012 at 2:24 pm #

    MSDRUID … Wow, where did you find that?

  191. dale July 10, 2012 at 2:29 pm #

    Another bit of actual data, U.S. crude oil reserves up 8.9 percent in one year, between 2008-2009. Yeah…..those estimates figures….real stable.

  192. progress4spam July 10, 2012 at 2:41 pm #

    “What Vlad and anti soak fail to appreciate is that diversity is strength.
    The Japanese failed to appreciate the strength of USA diversity. They did not understand how such a diverse group of immigrants of different national and racial origins could possibly form a united nation in opposition to Japan.”
    -asoka the warrior, to rhino-
    There you have it, Rhino.
    More immigration yields greater US might.
    Looks like the a..boy would have used those nukes just like Truman ordered.
    Cool, huh?

  193. Grouchy Old Girl July 10, 2012 at 2:43 pm #

    Asoka, how lovely to find your comment at the bottom of the page. I echo your sentiments today, as usual. At least the diversity part, not so sure that a collapse won’t happen. It’s going to, already has started, but will take a long time. Unlike in a movie the world will not blow up in one huge dramatic fire-ball all at once though.
    As things begin to fall apart, that is when we’ll see the fruits of diversity as people work together, combine their skills, and come up with patchwork methods to survive. For those whose goal is that fabulous ten room cottage up at the lake, this will be a revelation of hard cold reality.
    Seems to me the more wealth people have, the more dependent they are on technological wizardry, and the less connected to reality they are in their daily lives. They’ll have the worst time adapting, us poor folks are halfway there already, and not as scared of material deprivation. Maybe the meek shall inherit the earth after all, or what’s left of it.

  194. messianicdruid July 10, 2012 at 3:24 pm #

    “Wow, where did you find that?”
    lots of similar eye-opening stuff there [ if one is self-programming ]

  195. Kyooshtik July 10, 2012 at 3:27 pm #

    antidote not anecdote. Fucking Sun. At least I caught myself before the Q creature did
    OK, but just before the anecdote screw-up you wrote The magnetic rays of the Sun are effecting my brain.
    It’s affecting.

  196. anti soak July 10, 2012 at 3:39 pm #

    Alot of dumbed down people get their ‘News’ from, ‘the News’
    Yes, I read Brimelows bestseller.
    He mentions Teddys HUGE LIE….6000 people would be admitted.
    No, its 100,000,000 and ‘they’ are working on another 100 million.
    I had to turn off Public Radio just now, some mexican sounding guy whining about vigilantism on our southern border.
    No mention of the 3000? killed in USA each year by illegals.
    100,000,000 and Teddy said it would be 6000!
    teddy also had legislation that all and any Chaldean could move to US as refugee and get ‘to the grave benefits’.
    And TK was for legal infanticide, etc.

  197. anti soak July 10, 2012 at 3:42 pm #

    Has anything like this ever happened in the history of the world?
    I am not a historian, but does the ORE come to mind?
    Circuses and bread? Romes troops all over.

  198. anti soak July 10, 2012 at 3:49 pm #

    ‘America no longer has a mythology with which to dream up a meaningful future’
    So folks visit Disnee Land?
    In any case I see no danger from Walt and Company.
    And dale, its JHK, not JHk.

  199. anti soak July 10, 2012 at 3:54 pm #

    1 in 5 mexicans lives on a dollar a day.
    Their country is imploding [as is ours, but theirs first].
    Yet where is the anger of Americans? Black or White?
    Did ya know most legal Latinos here oppose more immigration?
    And that mexicans that move here have even bigger families than the ones at home?

  200. asoka.. July 10, 2012 at 3:59 pm #

    not so sure that a collapse won’t happen. It’s going to, already has started, but will take a long time.
    A long time. I guess that is what I consider the difference between a collapse and a contraction.
    It may be a question of vantage point. CFN is USA-centric. What may seem like a collapse in the USA is barely noticeable in South America.
    South America as a whole has recently turned deficits to surpluses, and lowered debt to GDP levels by some 15 percent. Collapse? What collapse? Contraction? Not so much in South America.
    “How do you know that the sky is falling, Chicken Little?” asked Henny Penny.
    “I saw it with my eyes, I heard it with my ears, and a bit of it fell on my head,” said Chicken Little.

  201. messianicdruid July 10, 2012 at 4:00 pm #

    The ultimate sin of the technocrats
    (PaulWatson) – The self-destructive, self-loathing, nihilistic drivel that poses as popular culture and modern society is like a ball and chain to humanity’s innate desire to realize its true potential.
    Alex Jones explains how the people in control of our planet are wantonly hurting the course of human development and sacrificing the very legacy of our species in order to satisfy their own meaningless, myopic lust for transitory power.
    A small group of inbred, unhappy, twisted and wicked people have committed to dominating and enslaving the population of the planet instead of serving humanity as pioneers in leading our species on to its destiny of greatness.
    Humanity can only dream of the potential it possesses in reaching out for the stars while we are being held back and turned away from our destiny by globalists.
    While the human race is being demonized as a virus or a cancer upon the planet, in reality it is our controllers who are the true cancer because they are creating the environment for mankind’s destruction.
    The ultimate sin committed by the technocrats against the world population is their attempt to shutter our doors of perception and put a halt to the charge of human progress, freedom, and spiritual enlightenment.
    If we are to survive and thrive as a species we must untangle our minds from the trap that has been laid for us by the technocrats and come to the understanding that they are the biggest threat mankind faces as a species.
    [ messianicdruid commentary = the technoRATS are just hired help ]
    see video: http://dprogram.net/2012/07/10/the-greatest-threat-to-mankind/#more-111542

  202. messianicdruid July 10, 2012 at 4:07 pm #

    “OK, but just before the anecdote screw-up you wrote The magnetic rays of the Sun are effecting my brain. It’s affecting.”
    Okay, you vetoed me on this one, once.
    I was thinking affecting had to do with emotional [subjective?] matters, and effecting had to do with physical [objective?] matters.
    Is there a “rule of thumb” for this?

  203. Pucker July 10, 2012 at 4:34 pm #

    Is Frankenstein a true story? Is there really a power-mad scientist who has reanimated the dead?

  204. Pucker July 10, 2012 at 4:36 pm #

    I guess that the heat wave has scorched corn farmers and Obama’s bio-fuels initiative?

  205. asoka.. July 10, 2012 at 4:40 pm #

    dale said: reserve figures are not to be taken as absolute in any way, rather they are statistical estimates based on a range of possibilities
    dale, when Hubbert made his first estimate it reflected the consensus of opinion within the industry. The conclusions he drew about the future of the US oil industry, however, contradicted the conventional wisdom within both industry and government. His estimates were criticized and rejected, and a number of markedly higher estimates soon appeared.
    In 1974, the political economy of the oil industry changed, government and industry estimates fell, and a consensus of opinion returned.
    Since Hubbert’s methods and estimates remained constant throughout the period 1956-82, changes in scientific practice cannot explain the historical shifts in the treatment of his estimates as ‘valid’, ‘invalid’, and eventually ‘valid’ again.
    dale, I think the ‘validity’ of resource estimates is socially constructed and depends upon the political economy of the oil industry.

  206. San Jose Mom 51 July 10, 2012 at 4:40 pm #

    Here’s an anecdote that makes me worry about social unrest.
    My neighbor put a bumper sticker on her minivan (same model as mine, but mine has 120,000 miles) that reads, “Democrats see the glass half full. Republicans see the glass as theirs.” She put it on this past weekend
    So yesterday, she drives to work and this crazy lady is riding her bumper really close and follows her into the company parking lot. The wacko woman cuts her off as she’s trying to park and then flips her off and says something awful about democrats.
    So much anger over a bumper sticker? Lisa removed the sticker ASAP.

  207. dale July 10, 2012 at 5:11 pm #

    dale, I think the ‘validity’ of resource estimates is socially constructed and depends upon the political economy of the oil industry.
    When the estimates don’t agree with your view, either change/disagree with the estimates. No way to argue with that is there?
    Those are government supplied estimates, of course they could be in error for a number of reasons, that they could be politically motivated is possible, but doesn’t strike me as the most likely.
    When something of this magnitude changes over 8 percent in one year, something tells me the methodology for calculation is open to wide interpretation or revision, casting doubt on all estimates, or on what the word “reserves” is actually intended to mean….my point in the first place.
    Remember, I’m the one in this argument who doesn’t trust estimates or predictions. A few around here think Hubbert is some sort of god. Truth be told, if he had been right, we would have been driving on fumes seventeen years ago.

  208. Widespreadpanic7 July 10, 2012 at 5:15 pm #

    There it is, then; two pretty intelligent guys, Dale & Asoka, after considerable research, determine ‘peak oil’ is a myth! That undermines the entire premise of this site, JHKs books, and the work of people like Deffeyes, Simmons, MacDonald, Orlov etc. Many other have said the same thing, including luminaries like Daniel Yergin. If that indeed is the case I’m wasting my time here; I can get political commentary anywhere. I might as well sign off and move on.

  209. dale July 10, 2012 at 5:17 pm #

    Here in Idaho, you typically would see many more Republican than Democratic bumper stickers. In recent years the Republican variety tended to be nasty, and mean spirited. This year, I’ve only seen one Romney sticker so far, not a good indicator for the Mittster I’m thinking. I’m guessing the evangelicals, (the nasty bumper sticker cohort) will be staying at home on election day. Obama wins.

  210. Kyooshtik July 10, 2012 at 5:26 pm #

    Is there a “rule of thumb” for this?
    I don’t know. I can’t explain the rules. I know grammar in a way similar to the way Elton John plays the piano: by ear.
    I would suggest looking up both words in a thick dictionary. The entries are long and complex. The word affect even has a completely different meaning if spoken with the accent on the first syllable rather than the second.

  211. asoka.. July 10, 2012 at 6:16 pm #

    MD, since Q. refused to answer your request, let me give it a try. Like Q. said there are two words spelled affect. One is a verb meaning “to put on a false show of,” as in: She grew up on Long Island but affected a British accent. Its related noun is affectation.
    The other affect can be both a noun and a verb. The noun, which means roughly “emotion,” is a technical term from psychology that sometimes shows up in general writing, as in this quote from a Norman Mailer piece about the 1991 Gulf War: “Of course, the soldiers seen on television had been carefully chosen for blandness of affect.”
    Unlike the verb forms, which are pronounced with stress on the second syllable, the noun affect is pronounced with stress on its first syllable.
    As a verb, however, affect is far more common. In this role it means “to cause a change in, influence,” as in: “The Surgeon General’s report outlined how smoking affects health.” Note that affect does not have a corresponding noun sense that means “an influence” or “a change resulting from an influence.”
    Effect can also serve as a noun or a verb. The noun means “a result.” Thus if someone affects something, there is likely to be an effect of some kind, and from this may arise some of the confusion. People who stop smoking will see beneficial health effects, but not beneficial health affects. As a verb, effect means “to bring about or execute.”
    Thus, the verbs affect and effect produce important differences in meaning. Using effect in the sentence: “The measures have been designed to effect savings implies that the measures will cause new savings to come about.”
    Using affect in the very similar sentence: “These measures will affect savings” implies that the measures will cause a change in savings that have already been realized.

  212. Eleuthero July 10, 2012 at 6:32 pm #

    Asoka said:
    Actually, no. They have been buying a year here, four years there, muddling along by expertly kicking the can down the road. This can go on for decades, if not centuries.
    jesus, not this again!! Don’t you realize that except for the “one-percenters” this country is ALREADY in a DEPRESSION? Average family net worth down 40% in 5 years. Two cities gone bankrupt with all but two states teetering on the brink. The silent crisis of underemployment with 200,000 janitors with baccalaureates or better as a vivid indicator.
    We are NOT and NEVER HAVE BEEN “muddling along”. This is Asoka, as he has done innumerable times in the past, not getting out of his “kingdom”, and examining real life on the ground. You’re a Buddhist. Follow the example of your exemplar!! Get out from behind your computer screen and go out into the world and see what’s really there in America.
    Your naivete was, is, and likely always will be totally astonishing to me. It’s as if you think that we’re doing okay as long as we haven’t had a military coup or a totalitarian overthrow of the government. Look at Joe Stiglitz’ Yahoo Finance interview about the fact that we’re already a third world economy.

  213. Pucker July 10, 2012 at 6:33 pm #

    It looks like the new dictator of the Stalinist regime of North Korea, Kim Jong Un, is having a lurid affair with a married woman.

  214. george July 10, 2012 at 6:37 pm #

    I’ve often asked myself why men and women with JHK’s depth of knowledge on energy production, climate patterns and human behavior aren’t working in some semi-official capacity in Washington? But then, with the current administration’s endorsement of corporate America’s attempts to dumb down the population, an individual like JHK would probably wind up getting coffee and bagels or cleaning toner cartridges for some low-level cabinet members. No wonder the Congress For New Urbanism hasn’t had any contact with the Obama administration in the last three years. Obama and Romney are both doing their darnest to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

  215. Eleuthero July 10, 2012 at 6:40 pm #

    SJM said:
    So much anger over a bumper sticker? Lisa removed the sticker ASAP.
    Sometimes one encounters events that will become commonplace. I think you just witnessed one. There’s a TREMENDOUS amount of anger in the United States.
    I wish it would get funneled into gigantic demonstrations in D.C. but I fear that our national character is sufficiently eroded that a more likely outcome is person-on-person violence. Unlike the period that ended about year 2000, the middle class is all but evaporated and what’s left is a quivering mass of angry, fearful people who have no time/energy after their daily grind to be “activists”.
    That’s why I think the end result will be kind of an “Escape from New York” scenario.

  216. Pucker July 10, 2012 at 7:00 pm #

    “Escape from New York”….
    I once had the hots for a lawyer chick who was really into the actor, Kurt Russell.

  217. Pucker July 10, 2012 at 7:13 pm #

    Is it “Black Studies”, or “African American Studies”?

  218. anti soak July 10, 2012 at 7:26 pm #

    Thanks BUT that is old news, I think there may still be an article at Takimag about that, probably put online around May 20th.

  219. anti soak July 10, 2012 at 7:29 pm #

    Thanks…here in El-Lay, Antioch [sister school in Ohio is reduced to giving many students free tuition] has a program in GLBT ‘Studies’.

  220. anti soak July 10, 2012 at 7:38 pm #

    How Black Studies Avoids Studying Blacks – Taki’s Magazine
    May 10, 2012 –
    How Black Studies Avoids Studying Blacks. by Chuck Ross. Another day, another person fired from a prestigious writing gig for perceived …….

  221. ozone July 10, 2012 at 7:39 pm #

    Alrighty then!
    I’m wit’choo. At least we can be assured that we won’t be missed. ;o)
    (We can stop by every once in a while to throw rocks at the hornets’ nest.)

  222. ozone July 10, 2012 at 7:45 pm #

    (Besides, Dr. P. [Pucker] has got the insincere sincerity thing right well covered. ;o)

  223. BeingThere July 10, 2012 at 8:01 pm #

    The Milton Friedman neoliberal laboratory has been preforming a great experiment in the former industrialized nations.
    For the past 35 years they have eroded our wealth and redistributed it to the top tier internationally through their inverted communist paradigm. They have taken all that we were used to in terms of employment expectations and a social contract and smashed it.
    We used to say great social unrest and coups could never happen here, but without the underpinnings of a strong society and wealth, it’s just a matter of time.
    People have to recognize the disease before they can respond and they don’t get what’s wrong. Therefore they don’t act in the logical ways.
    In the meantime what amazes me is that Romney has his money all over the world and does all he can to not pay taxes. Guess why he’s getting so much pac money. Now anyone in the middle class watching that —you’d think they’d catch on. It real easy to say cut taxes and regulations and jobs will appear out of thin air. Haven’t they had that for over 10 years?
    Oh and speaking on NY–Our fine Mayor Bloomberg wants to crate 300 squ. foot spaces for the less fortunate so they can have a place in NYC—What a mind that one has.
    Time to get in a new mayor.

  224. xport July 10, 2012 at 8:01 pm #

    In the midst of plowing my way through James “Jaws” Kunstler’s latest opus. He has assumed the role of an unblinking white shark, slashing apart the Great Seal of the United States of America. He has flayed bare the flesh and bones of the corpse that this nation has become and exposed the rotten entrails.
    All in a concise summary of the history of the social, political and economic events that have gotten us to this point in time.
    I note the gathering storm, and the mood of the people as the rope is being stretched to the breaking point. The tension in the air is almost unbearable.

  225. Iona Laundramat July 10, 2012 at 8:17 pm #

    Hello E. –
    Well, it was nice while it lasted. I think we had about six Soake-free days on this blog. The discussions were intelligent and pretty much rancor free. He’s an intellectual jack-of-all-trades, skimming the surface everywhere but never penetrating deep on any topic. And worse, where his understanding of something is truly thin (one example – economics) he is ideological, as in “gold is bad, green pieces of paper are good”. Here we go again…20 posts a day from the Soake.

  226. asoka.. July 10, 2012 at 8:32 pm #

    Don’t you realize that except for the “one-percenters” this country is ALREADY in a DEPRESSION?
    E. we are in a period of contraction. We are not in a DEPRESSION, nor are we anywhere near third-world status. We are slowly coming out of a recession (2007-2009).
    I think what you are referring to as a “Depression,” E., is male unemployment in the USA industrial sector (hence, your white male anger?).
    Unemployment in general has actually come down in recent years. Even using the highest U6 number you like to cite, U6 has come down from 18 to 15 percent recently. And it’s not just in the USA, as unemployment has come back down to (or below) pre-recession levels in countries like China and Brazil, also.
    The average rate of unemployment in the Great Depression went from 3% in 1929 to 25% in 1933. If we were in a Depression, unemployment would have increased from 5% in 2007 to 40% in 2009. But that didn’t happen.
    Here are the un-alarming real numbers:
    2007, 4.6%.
    2008, 5.8%.
    2009, 9.3%.
    2010, 9.6%
    A doubling, not 8-fold. And during our current Great Recession female-dominated sectors have added about 4 million jobs, while manufacturing has lost about the same number. These trends do not a Depression make. But they make white males angry.
    If we were in a Depression, there would be 40% unemployment or greater. During what people call the “Great Recession” (from 2007 to 2009) total employment in professional, managerial, and highly skilled technical positions actually remained essentially unchanged. Jobs in low-skill service occupations such as food preparation, personal care, and house cleaning were also fairly stable.
    Of course, I recognize that if you want a job and can’t find one, then you are in your own personal “Depression.”
    But the number of listings of job vacancies has also increased this month, and hiring should subsequently increase. Another sign we are not in a “Depression.”

    Reuters — July 10, 2012 U.S. job openings rose in May by the most in five months, a hopeful sign for a labor market buffeted by a sharp slowdown in hiring. Job openings — a measure of labor demand — rose by 195,000, to 3.642 million, the Labor Department said on Tuesday in its monthly Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey. The increase was broad based, with manufacturing vacancies rising 51,000, to 310,000.

    If we were really in a “Depression,” manufacturing vacancies would not be spiking. And it’s not just manufacturing: students would not continue coming here in droves from other countries. The USA has huge advantages as an innovator and places like Silicon Valley, North Carolina’s Research Triangle, and the Massachusetts high-tech corridor are difficult to replicate elsewhere. Foreign students still flock here, and foreign engineers and scientists who get their doctorates here have been staying on for longer and longer over the past 15 years.
    When you compare apples to apples, the United States still leads the world, handily, in the number of skilled engineers, scientists, and business professionals in residence.
    In any event, the “middle class” does not equal America. The size of the middle class has changed throughout U.S. history, as has income inequality.
    The nonprofessional middle class is rich enough today to absorb the current recession’s shocks and is a long way from true “third-world” status.
    If you look at the GNI PPP figures, a citizen of Malawi can spend $1.60 a day to make a living, a citizen of Eritrea $2.50, the average US citizen spends $114 daily.
    Boo fucking hoo, E. Get real and stop your alarmist whining.

  227. asoka.. July 10, 2012 at 8:37 pm #

    Iona, either scroll past or engage on substance.
    But stop being such a whiner.
    I can be here or not be here. I have a life outside CFN. I can leave CFN anytime I please. Right now it pleases me to be here: deal with it.

  228. AMR July 10, 2012 at 8:43 pm #

    I’ve had two similar experiences this year. I hesitate to infer a pattern from them, but they’re scary data points in any event.
    The first happened at a fleabag motel in Buena Park, just south of the Knott’s Berry Farm south gate. It’s a different world south of Crescent Avenue on account of the spillover from Anaheim, which is a very downmarket town. I did a shitty job trying to get my car out of a tight spot when I was partially parked in by a garbage truck, and I hit another guest’s truck, albeit at less than walking speed. This guest, a total Ed Hardy dirtbag, came running up to my car, tapped on my window, and started yelling at me about how I had hit his truck and he had witnesses. I immediately offered to give him my insurance information so that he could file a claim for any damages, but he declined and started yelling at me about “respect” for his truck and how he had witnesses. I nearly called the police on him. He was blatantly threatening me and acting with criminal intent, and I would have been very happy to see him hauled off on an outstanding warrant.
    The second incident happened at, of all places, the Hampton Inn in Ukiah. Another guest had left a load of laundry unattended in the only washing machine in the laundry room, so I had removed it and left it on top of the dryer. When my first load was ready to dry, no one had yet come to move this load into the dryer, so I put mine in the dryer. A few minutes later, a man in his fifties or sixties came into the laundry room, asked me what I had done, and when I told him, removed my laundry from the dryer and put his in, telling me, menacingly, “I wouldn’t be so cheap as to not put your laundry in the dryer.” I left the room in order to get away from him, then returned after a few minutes and told him, “I didn’t appreciate that, sir.” At that point, he lunged at me. I ran to the front desk and told the night clerk and the night maintenance man about what had happened. The maintenance man resolved the situation by letting the other guest finish his load but making him leave me and my dad three quarters as compensation. My dad subsequently confronted the maintenance man over what he considered an ass-backwards resolution to a provocation that had been solely the other guest’s responsibility. As in Buena Park, I very nearly called the police, because this guy was clearly unhinged and violent in the face of proportional, measured, well-deserved criticism.
    It’s easy to read too much into anecdotes like these, especially since there are credible data to the contrary, e.g., violent crime levels that remain near forty-year lows in much of the country. On the other hand, incidents like these make me wonder how much violence goes unreported and therefore how big year-to-year fluctuations in real, rather than reported, crime levels are. In any event, these incidents support the argument that Americans are an uncivil, malicious, easily provoked people. Sadly, that notion shouldn’t come as a shock to alert observers.

  229. xport July 10, 2012 at 8:52 pm #

    What we have here is a failure to communicate.
    A turf dog battle, no need to call the cops,
    work it out like neighbors. On the other hand, the place is a powder keg, ready to go off with road rage and insanity. People getting stomped to death by a drunken mob after a freaken baseball game????

  230. AMR July 10, 2012 at 9:26 pm #

    A couple of thoughts about this road rage incident:
    First, I definitely would have left the bumper sticker on my car and I almost certainly would have called the cops. In the incidents that I mentioned in my previous post, I was afraid of antagonizing motel management by bringing the police onto their property and inviting retaliation, but stalking that starts on a public road and evolves into criminal trespass for purposes of obstructing traffic and chilling free speech strikes me as a very different situation. In the event that the responding agency tried to brush my complaint under the table, I’d probably try to work back channels by contacting a friend of mine whose husband is a CHP officer and seeing whether he’d be willing to intercede on my behalf or put me in touch with the big cheeses. In particular, if I were able to get a license plate number, I’m pretty sure that I would raise hell and press criminal charges.
    What that lady did was malicious, criminal, and thoroughly uncivilized. Unchecked, that sort of behavior results in a return to the jungle. People who act like that fucking need to be arrested. My gut feeling, however, is that most incidents like that go unreported and unpunished.
    Your anecdote also makes me wonder whether American civilization has substantially degenerated since 2004. I mention 2004 specifically because I campaigned for John Kerry that year in two rural Pennsylvania counties (Lebanon and Cumberland) that were about two thirds Republican. I regularly wore Kerry/Edwards campaign buttons and had several lefty bumper stickers on my car. (I ultimately removed them, or tried to do so, after several years, basically because they seemed outdated.) Aside from one nasty remark from a gun nut who accused me (wrongly, although he had no way to know it) of being “against handguns,” I encountered practically no hostility on account of my politics. In fact, some of my Republican friends were quite entertained by my rather edgy “Electile Dysfunction” sticker, which showed a silhouette of Florida as a sort of limp blue penis on a white background.
    Maybe I was just lucky, but almost to a person, the people I knew and encountered in Central Pennsylvania had the self-control and common decency not to lash out at others for expressing political views that they found offensive. I have to say that I deeply respect them for that. At the same time, their comportment was the baseline for civilized behavior. I’m afraid that behavioral standards really are falling in this country, as Eleuthero often claims.

  231. AMR July 10, 2012 at 9:44 pm #

    I’d have been more inclined to settle it like neighbors had these men acted like neighbors. Instead, they acted like thugs who needed to be in jail.
    People pull shit like that because they can. A summary ass-whupping at the hands of the aggrieved party is one deterrent, but a rather uncivilized one. Being reported to and held accountable by the civil authorities as a direct consequence for breaking the law is a much more civilized and, I’d say in most cases, appropriate deterrent.
    A lot of the talk that one hears about settling differences like “neighbors,” “men,” “gentlemen,” or whatever is a convenient cover for asshats who consider it their birthright to violate the criminal laws for purposes of intimidating others without getting into any sort of trouble for being belligerent scofflaws. What usually happens is that some jackass mistreats another person in a criminally actionable fashion, gets cornered by his victim, and then weasels out of accountability to the law by appealing to some odious concept of honor that happens to have the self-serving effect of keeping the miscreant out of jail.
    Let me put it another way to show that I’m on pretty solid ethical ground. If I got up in someone’s face for dinging up my car in a very minor non-injury accident, declined his offer to provide insurance information for a claim, and instead yelled at him about “respect” for my car and implied that I had a vigilante mob on my side, I’d expect to go to jail. If I stole dryer time from another laundromat customer and lunged at him for expressing his disgust with what I had done, I would expect to go to jail. In that context, it’s completely reasonable and equitable for me to assert that people who treat me in precisely that fashion on account of their own anger, malice and willful lack of self-control ought to go to jail.

  232. Mike Hunt July 10, 2012 at 9:47 pm #

    Man, I’m beat! Been working way too hard lately.
    The best thing I could do right now to get away from it all would be to spend the entire day by a lake in the north country sitting on a peer.

  233. Vlad Krandz July 10, 2012 at 9:53 pm #

    His discussion of affect vs effect was fine. He’s smart on issues that don’t have any political consequences in other words. When it comes to anything partisan, racial, or religious, he loses all measure and indulgences in incredible levels of exageration, misdirection, malice, and spite.

  234. xport July 10, 2012 at 9:56 pm #

    You have a good point and right is right, or is it might makes right? The court system is overloaded, the jails are overloaded, street justice has evolved to settle the problems, cause when you go to the system to find justice, what you get is a call back asking you to place your report over the phone. You had your father at your back, get in the pricks face and back him down, street style.
    Get used to it, that is the way it is going to be.
    Sorry to say it is a sad situation, if you call the cops you may end up getting in more trouble than the purp. Another reason to get local and make friends with your own clan and gang or posse or mates, com padres, etc. At least you know who to call when you need some real help.

  235. Vlad Krandz July 10, 2012 at 9:59 pm #

    Hubbert’s Peak is a bell curve not a cliff. Oil becomes increasingly more difficult to get and thus more expensive as production declines. It doesn’t cease to exist, silly. The curve down is not 90% at first – though it comes close later.
    The Elite may keep using it long after most everyone else is back to bikes and horses.
    Are you sure you have the IQ to be discussing these issues?

  236. Vlad Krandz July 10, 2012 at 10:02 pm #

    What election do you think I’m talking about? Hint: what was Ron Paul running for this year?

  237. messianicdruid July 10, 2012 at 10:07 pm #

    “I’m guessing the evangelicals, (the nasty bumper sticker cohort) will be staying at home on election day. Obama wins.”
    I’ve quit trying to guess why the people that voted for Obama last time, are *still* sporting his bumper sticker. Obama wins, IF, the people that voted for him last time are {still?} stupider than the people that voted for Bush , twice.
    The Party is playing the good cop/bad cop routine, again, so keep your hands in your pocket, and walk away.

  238. messianicdruid July 10, 2012 at 10:11 pm #

    Hint: what was Ron Paul running for this year?
    Why are you speaking on the past tense. Do you want Q {as in Picard’s world} jumping on your arse?

  239. messianicdruid July 10, 2012 at 10:22 pm #

    “When it comes to anything partisan, racial, or religious, he loses all measure and indulgences in incredible levels of exageration, misdirection, malice, and spite.”
    A sentence worthy of Edgar Allen himself. I am getting drunk on adjectives, verbs and nouns. Its affecting my effiecentcy, an warblering my reconicsentz. Oh, malveerscents…
    Hype ledge owl lead gents, tooth if lag, of thee untried slates of and miracle, two bee repugnant, four witches tanned, won notion, under guard, invisible, width libertine gestures, fear all.

  240. messianicdruid July 10, 2012 at 10:29 pm #

    “The best thing I could do right now to get away from it all would be to spend the entire day by a lake in the north country sitting on a peer.”
    That’s funny, I don’t care who you are. I don’t have any peers, but that’s still real funny. Fake funny would be like the difference between effect and affect. That is some serious .–. ..- –.- …- -.–. right there.

  241. messianicdruid July 10, 2012 at 10:31 pm #

    Well, perhaps .00000000017% of this quadrant.

  242. messianicdruid July 10, 2012 at 10:32 pm #

    How long?

  243. messianicdruid July 10, 2012 at 10:33 pm #

    does it,

  244. messianicdruid July 10, 2012 at 10:50 pm #

    get ur head around that…

  245. jiuzhaigou July 10, 2012 at 10:52 pm #

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  246. xport July 10, 2012 at 11:14 pm #

    I see your point. You hit the guys truck, he got upset. You kept your cool, he should go to jail.
    In the other case, you pulled the guys laundry out of the washer, put your stuff in, did the dryer, did not put his stuff back, when you got caught, he was wrong. Now the world is a mess and let’s get the cops over here and lock up the bad guys.
    The cops are busy dealing with real problems, like gunshot wounds, rapes, murders, and serious crime.
    Give them a break. If you hit a guys car, and he catches you red handed, you better get down on your knees and beg forgiveness, get out a can of paint and polish the dent, for god’s sake. Why do you think these people were upset? No empathy. No Respect.

  247. Vlad Krandz July 10, 2012 at 11:14 pm #

    Muslims call for the destruction of the Pyramids. Democracy: anybody still believe? Why?

  248. Vlad Krandz July 10, 2012 at 11:19 pm #

    Because he’s running and not running at the same time. So let’s call it Past/Present Participle.
    The circle of spirit and square of matter cannot meet. Look at the Lifeguard who got fired for saving someone’s life outside his appointed squared contract. What kind of person would he be if he didn’t disobey his contract? And what kind of society are we that we can’t understand such things anymore?

  249. Vlad Krandz July 10, 2012 at 11:25 pm #

    Do you know this one? A true Druid. Babylon is not the Earth but the World System. Perhaps the Puritans forgot this?

  250. xport July 10, 2012 at 11:25 pm #


  251. xport July 10, 2012 at 11:33 pm #

    Yes, the many languages that confuse everything.
    here is one for you.

  252. Vlad Krandz July 10, 2012 at 11:34 pm #

    There are Orcs in the Deep. We cannot get out.

  253. xiantravel July 10, 2012 at 11:42 pm #

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  254. xport July 10, 2012 at 11:47 pm #

    Your cry for justice will be heard.

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  256. messianicdruid July 11, 2012 at 1:05 am #

    “Babylon is not the Earth but the World System.”
    And that it is hidden makes it Mystery, not a dot on a map, but a way of thinking, marked on the hand {actions} and forehead {thoughts}. The system will end, a bloody death, but the planet will grow into a greaT/|\Tree giving shade to all who gather under its branches {reach}.

  257. xiantravel July 11, 2012 at 1:43 am #

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     Markets advance by lower PMI – May 3
     PMI acknowledges ‘adapted acclimation’ in growth
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  258. Vlad Krandz July 11, 2012 at 1:48 am #

    What breed of dog tastes best?

  259. progress4spam July 11, 2012 at 2:54 am #

    Why else would they call their dogs Chow?
    Schwabe, Calwin W.: Unmentionable Cuisine, page 168. University of Virginia Press, 1979

  260. sdcll82og July 11, 2012 at 5:08 am #

    What is the most popular sport all over the world?

  261. Eleuthero July 11, 2012 at 5:20 am #

    There’s a lot of evidence that the “dumbing of America” which, as far as I can reckon, is a done deal, was a planned event. The world’s plutocrats have seen a Malthusian crisis coming for about the last thirty years and the worldwide epidemic of kleptomania by the super-rich and well-connected is because they’re hastily preparing their own bunkers. Bush and Clinton in Argentina. Cheney in Dubai.
    Politicians right now are the most cynical people in the world because they are still pretending (they deserve Oscars for their acting skills) that they care about us “little people” when they know that we live in a world with vast quantities of overproduced junk and, therefore, EMPLOYEES ARE BECOMING AN ANACHRONISM!!
    Plutocrats have NEVER been humanitarians, really, but when the world was a more optimistic place with more stuff to look forward to, they didn’t run afoul of the rule of law at every single freaking opportunity like now. That asshole in the LIBOR scandal is a FELON and he’s not even going to lose his freaking job!!!
    It’s time to think about personal safety, IMHO. The middle class is too poor and too stupid (partly by watching TV for ten hours a day for decades) to have the organizational skills to BE “activists”. It ain’t happening.

  262. Eleuthero July 11, 2012 at 5:28 am #

    Iona said:
    Well, it was nice while it lasted. I think we had about six Soake-free days on this blog.
    Thanks for the sentiment, Iona. Of course, your statement is a description of what has become ongoing reality here on CFN. He’s the very definition of a dilettante. That’s bad enough but he’s also a HYPOCRITE. A sample tactic of his will be to do “research” by cutting-and-pasting from a Wiki page and then lambasting another poster to hell for doing exactly the same thing.
    I would say he’s evil but his machinations are far too visible for him to be WILY enough to be satanic. He’s just a Buddha-pest with delusions of grandeur who thinks that we cannot count his posts and arrive at the obvious and prosaic conclusion that if he writes for six hours a day here he cannot very well know what’s going on in the outside world.
    He’s an aesthete who imagines he’s worldly.

  263. Eleuthero July 11, 2012 at 6:01 am #

    This just in … the US is condemning Syria for lobbing artillery into Lebanese territory because it violates Lebanese “sovereignty”. This, ladies and gentlemen, is why the US is among the most HATED countries in the world.
    We make a living out of “violating sovereignty” like when we pissed off Pakistan by just dropping troops into their territory at our will to find this or that high-ranking Muslim dude. We’ve violated the sovereignty of so many countries (Grenada? Pu-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!) that we’ve ALL lost count.

  264. BeingThere July 11, 2012 at 7:34 am #

    Indeed, E.
    We have become what we said we were fighting. That’s why I say we ended up never having won a war, incl the Cold War.
    Look what we’ve done to our own sovereignty! If we trashed ourselves we sure don’t give a rats ass about our own boundaries.
    Speaking of the compounds of our former pres. I recall in 2005 running across some articles about the Bush clan getting a piece of land in Paraguay over an aquifer. The rumor was that Jenna Bush was down there meeting with the head of state and that there was paramilitary (hm Paraguay) in the area.
    I guess the idea is he who gets control of the water wins…..
    (Oh, and I’m sure it wasn’t “The Decider’s” idea.)

  265. dale July 11, 2012 at 9:47 am #

    The Party is playing the good cop/bad cop routine, again, so keep your hands in your pocket, and walk away.
    Pretty much what I’ve done.

  266. dale July 11, 2012 at 9:49 am #

    Hubbert’s Peak is a bell curve not a cliff. Oil becomes increasingly more difficult to get and thus more expensive as production declines. It doesn’t cease to exist, silly. The curve down is not 90% at first – though it comes close later.
    ….on the other hand, I’m sure there is a racial component to the calculation. Are you sure you know what a bell curve is?

  267. Widespreadpanic7 July 11, 2012 at 10:13 am #

    What’s with the sudden rash of cities filing bankruptcy — San Bernadino, Stockton, Scranton, Harrisburg, maybe Providence in a few weeks? My thought is they’re not taxing their residents at a high enough rate. They need to jack up taxes to pay the generous wages and benefits promised to their municipal employees, instead of trying to weasel out of it.
    Similarly, what the hell is going on in Chicago? The body count exceeds Afghanistan. My suggestion; Federalize those Chicago Street Gangs and enlist them as shock troops for the new Democratic Party, under direct command of Holder. Kind of like Rohm and the Brownshirts. Nobody will mess with those dudes! You could station them outside polling places with truncheons, like the New Black Panthers in Philly in 2008. How about it? Is that a plan or what?
    In previous times cities served as repositories for all that was good in a society, ‘specially its cultural accomplishments.

  268. Widespreadpanic7 July 11, 2012 at 10:21 am #

    Good News! At this moment ‘Media Moguls’ from across the country (but mostly LA, Washington and NY) are meeting in Sun Valley. I don’t know about you, but this CFNer is eagerly awaiting any communique containing a plan to straighten sh-t out coming out of that august body. I’ll keep you posted.

  269. ozone July 11, 2012 at 10:41 am #

    Lee-jee-tee’macee? We don’ need no steenkeeng lee-jee-tee’macee!
    (At least the guy had the requisite amount of shame as expressed by the suicide attempt.)

  270. ozone July 11, 2012 at 10:46 am #

    No worries! This new law-like, corporate-sponsored diktat should fix most everything, and it’s “legit” too! (The guy signing it looks pleased and confident anyway.)

  271. ozone July 11, 2012 at 10:51 am #

    Will the propaganda to be disseminated be of the tough or tender variety?
    I’m on tenterhooks awaiting the decision, and just so excited I could pee myself!

  272. ozone July 11, 2012 at 10:56 am #

    A trenchant warning from beyond the grave:
    “The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it’s profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.” – Frank Zappa
    Thanks Frank, sounds about right…

  273. anti soak July 11, 2012 at 10:56 am #

    When ‘they’ are not killing tourists at them!
    Remember when the Taliban destroyed the ancient statues of Buddha in Afghanistan.
    Yet libs continue to defend Muslims moving to/ visiting Christian lands.
    This week, here, asoka said ‘US needs more Muslims’.

  274. anti soak July 11, 2012 at 11:07 am #

    And the Clintons! They have their SA place, from what I have read.

  275. Rhino July 11, 2012 at 11:15 am #

    What Assoka did was to argue in favor of assimilation. He used the right buzz word – unity. Unity doesn’t come out of cultural and linguistic fragmentation. Rather it comes out of immigrant groups subsuming themselves in the greater cultural and national whole and by intermarrying with people not of their particular ethnic origin.
    E pluribus unum – one from many – is a brilliant concept. Originally refering to the unification into one country of the thirteen original colonies it can also be applied to the multitude of peoples from a multitude of national and ethnic origins that immmigrated to the USA.
    The United States became an assimilationist machine, assimilation kept the peace between people whose ancestors devoted great effort to killing one another. Not only did it keep the peace, these previously hostile folk married, produced offspring and in due course forgot their old ethnicity, they forgot old hostilities and became something new – American.

  276. Eleuthero July 11, 2012 at 11:40 am #

    BT said:
    Look what we’ve done to our own sovereignty! If we trashed ourselves we sure don’t give a rats ass about our own boundaries.
    Well, the Constitution supposedly made the INDIVIDUAL the first in the line of “sovereigns”. Look at what we’ve done to the first and fourth items in the Bill of Rights. You can be “Gitmo’ed” over almost nothing now. Freedom of Speech is now the freedom to be pepper-sprayed in public demonstrations that never had a scintilla of violence.
    I don’t believe the de facto elimination of the First and Fourth Amendments is some sort of “accident”. I think the first article of business for the managers of a Kleptocracy is to keep social order from disintegrating while they’re packing their bags for Patagonia with all the country’s loot in the bag with their belongings.
    Those “rumored” FEMA detention camps all over America? That’s no “rumor”. The Rex 84 program is one of the worst-kept secrets in the US because the “secret” is hidden in plain sight. There are 800 such camps for when martial law breaks out. Why would martial law break out? Well, if you’re an astute social observer like yourself you don’t need to be told that the middle class, in a handful of years, has taken a giant step toward insolvency and starvation.
    I’m just curious where Mr. Bernanke’s compound is.

  277. Rhino July 11, 2012 at 12:08 pm #

    Yes who would have thought the Arch Duke would be taken down by Princip… – Vlad
    Who indeed? And who would have imagined the train of subsequent events? “Home by Christmas” they said in the summer of 1914 in reference to the boys marching off to the front lines. Could anyone have imagined the collapse of European ruling houses, the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, the Bolshie Revolution, the massacre of the Romanovs.
    Another out of the blue event – the self immolation of that poor bastard Bouazizi. Who would have guessed what came out of that?
    So what out of the blue event are we waiting for now? Will it be a young and impoverished Greek or Spaniard with nothing to lose that lights the fuse?

  278. dfgbank94 July 11, 2012 at 1:38 pm #

    Baseball (Game Boy) Review Nintendo DS Nintendo DS

    You know when you were given one of those games as a kid, and you played the life out of it no matter how bad it was? That’s Baseball on the Game Boy for me. I used to spend hours playing this game in the car – it was a ton of fun. Sadly now 2gb memory card, I’m a little older and wiser and while I still had fun with Baseball, being older and having less time makes you realise just how slow this game is.

    Baseball was a launch title for the Game Boy back in good old 1989. It shares a lot with the NES game of the same name but it plays and looks a whole lot different. This game is baseball at its most simplest; there are only two teams to pick and whichever you do dictates whether you start pitching or batting first. If you’re the Bears, you bat – if you you’re the Eagles, you pitch. You can also choose to play the game in either “USA” or “Japan” mode. The only difference between the two is that you have Mario and Luigi leading your team in the USA version, and a bunch of random Japanese people in the other. I like the player called FUKU for obviously hilarious reasons. Besides the names, there’s no other difference, you don’t even see Mario or Luigi in the game – all the players look the same. Like, small pudgy black dots for the fielders and a rather plumper batter. The fielding is quaint and the view from behind the bat is an over-the-shoulder third-person perspective. That’s about as detailed as it gets – this is a black and white game we’re talking about.

    The game plays out like normal baseball; you have your innings and then you swap, unless three people get struck out or you do the striking out (if you’re pitching) earlier. Batting is fun and the sound the ball makes when you successfully hit the ball is quite funny. Pitching and fielding thing is another matter entirely though. It’s slow. I don’t mean in the sense that you’re Randy from My Name is Earl, but slow in the sense of speed. Fielding is slow, the players all move slow, throwing is slow and even trying to make sure your players line up correctly to catch the ball is slow. Remember, this is a portable game, and a full game can take up to 20-30 minutes in some cases. In the world of rechargeable batteries and save states, we don’t have to worry about this so much these days ds r4 cards, but it doesn’t stop the actual pace of the game from being lethargic.

    The game’s soundtrack is quite chirpy and happy and doesn’t get too annoying at any stage. Sound effects do their job. You will be teased on the title screen with the “2 Player” option, though you can’t select it and frankly it’s really the only way to play the game. Playing with two people is much faster than against the CPU. Sadly, not an option.

    Baseball on the Game Boy is a very simple experience and there are much better examples of the sport out there in video game form than this. It’s cheap enough though if you want to give it a whirl.

  279. Vlad Krandz July 11, 2012 at 1:43 pm #

    The Arab Revolt stated when a woman treated a man like shit. It would never happen in a real Islamic State. Of course there’s more to it, but what’s her name is a fitting symbol for the injustice – which will be addressed by a return to Islam, blowing up the Pyramids, jihad against Israel etc. The good and the bad go together pell mell in Islam.
    Noticed how you didn’t touch the Huey Long reference. You are a well trained “conservative” who defends yesterday’s defeats. Conservatism so called is just an adjunct to triumphant Liberalim – which is nothing other than an approach to Communism – which is itself nothing other than the a conspiracy by the Plutocrats.
    As the Protocols say, the Aristocracy were the real friends of the people – and their only protectors. Once destroyed by Communism, the West was laid open to destruction by Big Business and Banking.
    Having money is about alot more than swimming pools and trips to Aspen. It’s about Power ultimately at the highest levels.

  280. Vlad Krandz July 11, 2012 at 1:49 pm #

    What you are really afrad of is that Real Conservatism might indistinguishable from Fascism. You’re right – it is Fascism – so what? What’s wrong with that? Who cares what THEY think. THEY are the ones who lied about everything. Why do you assume they didn’t lie about Fascism too?
    Face you fear. Make it a lie that an old man can’t change. There is such joy in dropping a failed paradigm for a new and truer one. I have done it again and again. I can feel now when it’s about to happen and surrender to it. You must learn this art – call it the art of dying. Did not St Paul die daily? What else is Prayer? Or hard work? Or the artist’s work of creation? Or anything worthwhile?

  281. Vlad Krandz July 11, 2012 at 1:57 pm #

    Evert try goat yogurt? It is a food of the gods – as far above cow yogurt as gold is above silver. I just had some. Taking some may invigorate your brain along with the rest of your body. After a weeks of this regimen, you may be able to understand what I am telling you about Fascism.
    The Fascist heals the split between mind and body that has dogged Western Man since the time of Descartes. What Orwell said jokingly about the Fascist and his hot water bottle is the simple truth. Go to God healed of this. Fie on your agnostism. Don’t be proud – many of the Spanish Communists gladly repented before being put to death by Franco. For the record, he was merciful to many – executing only the real monsters.

  282. Vlad Krandz July 11, 2012 at 2:02 pm #

    Just realized that the Paul Freeman who exposed the Rosicrucian Cult of San Jose may be the same Paul Freeman that Da studied Western Occultism with as mentioned in The Knee of Listening.
    As the Black Lectroid said in Buckaroo Banzai, “So what”?
    Islam has a Tree of Life as in Kabbalah too but they don’t put much emphasis on it. It’s subsumed in their theology of the 99 names of God.

  283. progress4spam July 11, 2012 at 2:11 pm #

    “What Assoka did was to argue in favor of assimilation. He used the right buzz word – unity.”
    Maybe, Rhino, but I doubt it.
    Diversity is what asoka..was arguing for.
    That, and, logically, a super strong Militarily Mighty US – like the one that beat the “racially pure” Japanese – due to the asoka..lauded US military “power of diversity.”
    One of the first points that the pro-immigration interest groups make in their favor is ALWAYS that immigration keeps the US strong. This is grossly untrue in some areas, but ABSOLUTELY true in the possession and justification for Military Might.
    I’ll venture to say that an all-powerful military will be the absolute LAST thing that the US government will give up. Cities will descend into a third world miasma, hunger will torment the countryside, but our military will remain top-notch until the bitter end – and the US government will be using our “huge hungry population” and our “nation of immigrants” ethos – to justify our continued military dominance of the planet.
    Speaking of a strong US military –
    I saw the previews for a new movie on a synchronized line of big-screen TV’s at a Wally World yesterday, said Wally World being filled with big-spending American-Style-Consumer immigrants.
    “US vs U.S.” is the title. It involves a nuclear submarine with chain of command issues – choosing to open fire with nuclear armed ballistic missiles on some (apparently Rebel?) section of the US.
    I can actually visualize that happening, sometime in the future. It would only take one little nuke lobbed into Austin or Charleston, or wherever, to bring all of that pesky internet secession talk to a halt, that’s for sure.

  284. Vlad Krandz July 11, 2012 at 2:23 pm #

    Anderson Cooper, the White Haired Boy, has come out as Gay. Score Liberals I guess. Perhaps you can go to Scranton and sprinkle pixie dust and make money go on trees.
    Fuck the firemen and the police. They want to live high off the poor.

  285. progress4spam July 11, 2012 at 2:39 pm #

    “There are 800 such camps for when martial law breaks out. Why would martial law break out? Well, if you’re an astute social observer like yourself you don’t need to be told that the middle class..”
    E, I don’t know the statistics, but there’s no doubt that the middle class is shrinking – in absolute terms, due to the real estate bust and outsourcing, AND in proportional terms, relative to our huge and growing underclass of immigrants and “urban youth.”
    So – I’ll respectfully disagree with you about the purpose of those FEMA camps. They are not for the middle class. For the most part, regardless of the stress imposed – the “middle class” will stay in their general areas and do as they are told, while making such improvements on their situations as are possible.
    So, I’ll argue that those FEMA camps are for rioters and looters – and for those unfortunates (most of whom will likely live in/near large cities) who find themselves displaced by rioters and looters.
    Run the numbers on the FEMA camp capacities and you will see that they are not designed to hold us all – only to hold those of us who caused the trouble, and those who couldn’t get out of the way of the trouble.

  286. progress4spam July 11, 2012 at 2:56 pm #

    As an addendum, E-
    I think “middle class” is more of an outlook on life than it is defined by waxing or WANING economic success.
    For example – I know a bunch of men who were riding high during the real estate boom. Some of them had gone from lower middle class (carpenters, say) into upper middle class, (owners of construction companies, say).
    Well, since 2008, some of these guys are off the bottom of the middle class charts – into what is known as struggling or poor.
    But these guys are trying hard to do their best, now. And when trouble ever comes – I will absolutely GUARANTEE you that none of them will head for the corner liquor store to ransack it before burning it to the ground.
    IOW, large numbers of these guys – once middle class guys – probably won’t be going to those FEMA camps, no matter what.

  287. dale July 11, 2012 at 3:01 pm #

    Just realized that the Paul Freeman who exposed the Rosicrucian Cult of San Jose may be the same Paul Freeman that Da studied Western Occultism with as mentioned in The Knee of Listening.
    May you should “realize” it’s time to get your anti-anxiety prescription filled. You’re verging on incoherence.

  288. DeeJones July 11, 2012 at 3:38 pm #

    “I’m with IS4U–would like to hear some analysis of George Monbiot’s take that we were wrong about Peak Oil (based on a report by an oil economist, I believe) and that there’s going to be plenty to deep fry all of us, as he says.”
    Well,why not mosy on over to TheOilDrum.com and read this: Response to Leonardo Maugeri’s Decline Rate Assumptions in “Oil: The Next Revolution”, which is the basis for Monbiot’s article.
    And Dale, you should read some of the articles on TOD as well, it might help you understand the whole calculations of “recoverable oil” in a resovior.
    Sorry I be late to this discussion, been much to do around here of late. And some dam powerful t-stormes too.

  289. DeeJones July 11, 2012 at 4:06 pm #

    Dale, you seem to be making a mistake in regards US oil production increasing. Yes it is, but from a peak in the early 80s of about 9 million barrels a day, it dropped quite a lot, so much so, that with increased demand, the US got to the point of importing well over half the oil it uses.
    Now some new oil is being produced in the US, but mainly due to economics: The shale oils were not previously economical to produce until oil reached the current level of pricing. Shell has stated that if the current trend continues to less than $60/barrel, shale oil will once again become un-economical to produce, and new drilling will stop until the price rises again. Shale oil depletes rapidly, so without new drilling, production will also decline quickly. Still, I don’t think that US production has reached the peak it did back in the 80s. It is barely up to 6 million barrels a day now. I read recently that the Alaska pipeline is now flowing at a barely ‘maintenance’ capacity. Any further reduction in volume, and it will have to be shut down.
    Don’t forget, that in 2008 the US used almost 20 million barrels a day, which is now down due to the “recession”, but if the economy ever picks back up, consumption would also be assumed to go back up, so that means the US will be competing for more oil to import to make up the difference between what is produced in the US and what we use, which is a BIG difference.
    Also don’t forget that the claimed ‘reserves’ in Bakken are at the most just a few years supply even at current depressed US oil consumption, even if they get production up to over a million bbls a day. In the long run, it won’t make much difference, especially if Americans continue to drive very fuel inefficient vehicles, like SUVs & giant trucks.
    Think of it this way: The US uses a (round) 20 million barrels of oil each and every day. Or 100M bbls every 5 days, or 1 Billion bbls every 50 days (or 9 weeks, or about every couple of months).
    A billion barrel resivoir is not all that much considering the US oil appetite.

  290. dale July 11, 2012 at 6:06 pm #

    Good points, at least someone around here is willing to do some actual homework. Oaklahoma’s production, for example, is up in the last few years, by maybe 15-20%, but only a third of what it was in the 1980s. Most people on this site have read maybe one or two books which have a definite agenda, and don’t realize there are so many moving parts to this puzzle it’s almost unfathomable. To paraphrase Rushbo, “Folks, it really isn’t that simple”
    My point was, of course, that both production and reserves, appear to be a function of price, not that surprising when you think about it. That, and “actual reserves” is still really an unknown quantity, but almost certainly not enough to keep the oil guzzling going at anything like current rates for too many more years. That brings me to the other side of the equation, demand. Doomers always speak as if demand isn’t fungible to any great degree — it most certainly is — which anyone who is currently driving around in 35 mpg vehicles, which would have been getting 20 mpg just a few years ago, should know….and we haven’t even started conservation efforts yet. I think we could cut oil consumption by 30 percent in 5 years without any real economic disruption.
    Assuming that modernity (the way we currently live) survives the next two to four decades, it will undoubtedly look much different; fewer will drive personal transportation, and those that do, in much more efficient vehicles, and economies will almost certainly become more localized.
    All this is, of course, assuming a real game changer doesn’t come along and throw everything into an entirely different paradigm. (decentralized electrical production too cheap to meter, for example) Game changers BTW — are a possibility not to be discounted or laughed off, they happen regularly throughout history, and so far as I can tell, history hasn’t stopped.

  291. Vlad Krandz July 11, 2012 at 6:15 pm #

    No the sentence is gramatically correct, though it should have a comma or two added. I know that it is a little complicated for someone like you though.

  292. Pucker July 11, 2012 at 6:23 pm #

    Psychopaths can be detected by means of a brain scan.

  293. Vlad Krandz July 11, 2012 at 6:28 pm #

    Also your sentence to me is incorrect. If you can’t find the error, ask me and I’ll help you just as D just helped you.

  294. dale July 11, 2012 at 7:01 pm #

    No the sentence is gramatically correct, though it should have a comma or two added. I know that it is a little complicated for someone like you though.
    I wasn’ t referring, nor do I particularly care about your grammar, I was referring to what you waste your time thinking about.

  295. dale July 11, 2012 at 7:06 pm #

    Fantastic video creation of the 1-ton Mars Rover “Curiosity” landing next month

  296. Widespreadpanic7 July 11, 2012 at 7:33 pm #

    Who mentioned Muslims blowing up the Pyramids and the Sphinx in Egypt? Vlad? AntiSoak? Don’t be surprised if it actually happens, They’re blowing up irreplaceable 1000 year old monuments in Mali as we speak. And don’t forget about those priceless Buddhist carved statues destroyed in Afghanistan by the Taliban in the 90’s. I wonder how the West would react? Maybe register a complaint with the UN.

  297. anti soak July 11, 2012 at 8:20 pm #

    Timbuktu!! Heard that on the radio today.
    What I find noteworthy here is that only 1 poster here [Vlad] commented on my news that peeps from Terrorist Nations were breaking into USA, and the govt says ‘release em’.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  298. anti soak July 11, 2012 at 8:23 pm #

    SEE: Adi da Archives.com
    The cult of the dreaded Bubba Free John.

  299. jeoriohvq July 11, 2012 at 8:55 pm #

    You have five generations of apple company models, each accompanied by a number of the five major releases coming from iOS (formerly the apple company OS). The original iPhone must have been a GSM phone that organized design precedents like display size and button placement that contain persisted through all models. The iPhone 3G led 3G cellular network qualities and A-GPS location. The iPhone 3GS a lot more a compass, faster processor, and higher resolution camera, including video recording throughout 480p. The iPhone 4 the rear facing camera (720p video) and a front facing camera (at a lower resolution) for instance FaceTime video calling as well as use in other purposes like Skype. In 2011 the iphone was voted the Best Cell phone On Earth. The iPhone 4 included a higher-resolution 960×640 possess; it was released for them June 24, 2010. In the U. S., AT&T was the just authorized carrier until Feb . 10, 2011, when a CDMA form of the iPhone 4 launched for Verizon. On October 4, 2011, Apple announced the apple mackintosh 4S. The iPhone 4S added increased resolution camera (8 megapixel) with 1080p video, face detection, and video stabilization, a faster, dual core processor, world phone capability (allowing a single handset to operate on networks dependant upon both GSM/UMTS and CDMA technologies), and a natural language voice console called Siri. It will be for sale in 16 GB and 32 GB along with a new 64 GB capacity. It was also asserted in the U. S. Sprint would begin carrying the device 4 and iPhone 4S and C Spire Wireless announced that it becomes carrying the iPhone 4S as well.
    Apple has said the majority of cellphone will shed signal if held using some ways. It said later there is discovered a software blemish that overstates signal strength, though it did in some way address concerns about the antenna with that admission.
    On the flip fingers, Consumer Reports said the product scored high on other testing grounds such as battery life, sharp display and high-quality video camera.
    However, Gikas said the signal problem was the reason behind the iPhone 4 wouldn’t be classified as a “recommended” device in its smartphone ratings.
    “Apple needs to debut a permanent — and also have free — fix to antenna problem before why don’t we recommend the iPhone4, ” said Gikas in her blog post on ConsumerReports. org.
    (Reporting by California Madrid and Gabriel Madway; Editing by Edwin Chan, Matthew Lewis and Steve Orlofsky).

  300. Kyooshtik July 11, 2012 at 9:01 pm #

    All in a concise summary of the history of the social, political and economic events that have gotten us to this point in time.
    I, too, just finished reading Jim’s new book and agree entirely with your assessment above. I was particularly impressed with JHK’s understanding and clear explanation of the frauds and complexities of the financial crisis of the past four years.
    The book has left me actually glad to have only an estimated 13.5 years of life expectancy remaining. For my own 3 kids and one grandson, not yet 4 months old, I am totally bummed out.
    While reading I made note of 16 errors, none terribly important, that I will point out to Mr Kunstler by email. I’m sure he will want to fix them before the inevitable second printing.

  301. Kyooshtik July 11, 2012 at 9:02 pm #

    All in a concise summary of the history of the social, political and economic events that have gotten us to this point in time.
    I, too, just finished reading Jim’s new book and agree entirely with your assessment above. I was particularly impressed with JHK’s understanding and clear explanation of the frauds and complexities of the financial crisis of the past four years.
    The book has left me actually glad to have only an estimated 13.5 years of life expectancy remaining. For my own 3 kids and one grandson, not yet 4 months old, I am totally bummed out.
    While reading I made note of 16 errors, none terribly important, that I will point out to Mr Kunstler by email. I’m sure he will want to fix them before the inevitable second printing.

  302. San Jose Mom 51 July 11, 2012 at 9:14 pm #

    I highly recommend “Too Much Magic!”
    Kunstler provides the only explanation of the financial crisis that I can understand. The whole book is well written! I’ve offered to lend my copy to a church pal who is a regular on NPR.

  303. xhalor July 11, 2012 at 9:37 pm #

    “Kunstler provides the only explanation of the financial crisis that I can understand.”
    Hello? John Corzine? Fannie Mae? Barclay’s Bank?
    The gloves are OFF.
    What the fuck else do you need to know?

  304. xhalor July 11, 2012 at 9:51 pm #

    “Maybe register a complaint with the UN.”
    Here come the UNs. I love the way they drive around in their UN vehicles. Take it from one who counted on their military expertise. THEY DON’T HAVE YOUR BACK.

  305. xhalor July 11, 2012 at 9:54 pm #

    Nipple Polished Rhinestones.

  306. DeeJones July 11, 2012 at 9:57 pm #

    Say Dale, thanks for your reasoned response.
    One other way to look at US oil consumption: The US uses currently 18 Million bbls of oil a day.
    Number Two user is China with – wait for it – Only 8 (eight) million bbls per day, or less than half what the US uses. (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_con-energy-oil-consumption) (2009 numbers)
    Yes, that is right, China uses less than half the oil the US uses per day. Amazing.
    Number 3 is Japan with only, get this: 4 million bbls a day.
    Or if you go here (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2174rank.html) you will find the the entire European Union uses about 13 million bbls per day. Also, look at the numbers, Saudi Arabia is #6 below China Inda & Japan. As pointed out on the Oil Drum, increased Saudi usage at home means less oil available for export to say the USA.
    The US is an energy PIG. And so much is wasted….

  307. Jam47 July 11, 2012 at 10:18 pm #

    Pyramids in peril.
    Could it be that the Muslims who say that they want the pyramids destroyed don’t really mean it? Maybe they have formed a kind of crime syndicate for the purpose of extortion: give us X billion dollars or we’ll blow the pyramids to smithereens. To whom would this extortion note be addressed? To the rich people of the West, of course, they and their governments.
    City governments fork out huge sums of money to enlarge their art collections, and plutocrats do the same. Some big-shot sociologist or art historian (Webber? Gombrich?) said that the rich purchase art mainly to legitimize their wealth. What better way, then, for a group of billionaires to hallow their names than for them to be known as the men who saved the world’s single greatest group of art objects from destruction?
    If extortion is, in fact, the plan, the extortionists will probably get paid. And one way to assist the Muslim/Egyptian side to keep its end of the bargain would be to dole out the money in installments, half a billion per year, say, in perpetuity. Wouldn’t want the pyramid-haters to have their cake and eat it too.
    If the iconoclasts-to-be really want to clear Egyptian soil of pagan defilements, they may as well emphasize the propaganda value of the act. They could start at the Cairo Museum and work their way upriver, past Luxor to the monuments at Abu Simbel, smashing as they go, the whole lunatic spectacle caught on camera. Then they’d return to Cairo for the drama’s climax, which would be the pyramids. The message of the drama: we’re ruthless, we’re relentless, we’re a movement to be respected and feared.
    After following Vlad’s link and reading the relevant article, I was appalled. Does my saying that Egypt’s pharaonic treasures belong to both Egypt and the world make me a neo-colonial? Perhaps it does. But they do.

  308. Vlad Krandz July 11, 2012 at 10:22 pm #

    I want to see some real obsequity next Monday startin with Oh Mr Kunstler.
    Ever think of a 2nd career as a poorfeeder?

  309. rippedthunder July 11, 2012 at 10:25 pm #

    And the beat goes on, And the beat goes on. My first girl was a dead ringer for Cher. Tall dark hair and Italian. AHHHHH.

  310. Vlad Krandz July 11, 2012 at 10:28 pm #

    I loved the young men who during the Revolution linked arms to “protect Egypt’s treasures”. They may not all have understood them too much, but God their hearts where in the right place.
    I’ve heard that not a few Egyptians are haunted by ancient Egypt – which obviously the fundies hate. I mean what an ancient and long lasting civilization – it must leave some scars or signs in the psyche.
    Google some more – the Al Quaedas are ruining the ruins of Timbuktu even now.
    Some Iranians are haunted by Ancient Persia – another powerful and long lasting civilization.

  311. rippedthunder July 11, 2012 at 10:32 pm #

    What the heck is a poorfeeder? I am looking for a second career. Where do I apply?

  312. Kyooshtik July 11, 2012 at 11:22 pm #

    the Al Quaedas are ruining the ruins of Timbuktu even now.
    At the finals of the National Poetry Competition the two finalist were an unlikely pair. Finalist number one was a Harvard educated professor of literature and the winner of several previous competitions. Finalist number two was a young Marine Lcpl. from the hills of West Virginia who needed help filling out the entry form.
    The final round consisted of each competitor being given the same word and having thirty seconds to complete a verse, using the word. The Professor went first. The Judge said, “The final word this year is ‘Timbuktu'”
    The Prof. started thinking. Ten seconds went by. Twenty seconds. The crowd became nervous. After twenty eight seconds the Prof. began,
    “Across the hot Sahara sand,
    Trekked the dusty caravan.
    Men on camels, two by two,
    Destination- Timbuktu.”
    The crowd went wild, there was no way that the Hillbilly Marine would ever top that. The Lcpl. was brought on stage. The judge gave the word, “Timbuktu.” The young Lcpl. looked to the sky, he thought for 10-15 seconds, stepped up to the microphone, cleared his throat, and began,
    “Tim ‘en me, a-hunting went,
    Met three girls in a pop-up-tent,
    They was three and we was two,
    So, I bucked one and Tim Buck Two!”

  313. Vlad Krandz July 11, 2012 at 11:52 pm #

    Well that’s why I quoted the Black Lectroid in saying so what.
    You gotta lighten up buddy. I mean that’s why angels can fly – because they don’t take themselves seriously.
    You were partially right about Hubbert’s Peak – I looked it up and the curve is very sharp, much sharper than the bell curve – which is shaped like a bell. The bell curve can represent many things in nature which have a median and equal distributions to either side. Now Wikipedia showed said that several curves are now used to describe oil production. The curve for the United States is almost a bell curve but a little skewed to the left with a sharper fall away into the future.

  314. Vlad Krandz July 11, 2012 at 11:57 pm #

    I can see you in a restaurant – how bout early morning opening up a diner? You can tell you stories to the truckers and gain news from them about the deteoriating conditions. Or all night shifts if you like going to sleep in the morning instead of getting up.

  315. Vlad Krandz July 12, 2012 at 12:02 am #

    I’m glad you and Dee are hitting it off. You are like a male version of her and she a feminine version of you. Both supercilious boors, not bores, and not Bors, the Knight of the Round Table.

  316. rippedthunder July 12, 2012 at 12:12 am #

    Reminds me of the time I was in a bar in New Britain ,CT. I went into the men’s room and I caught a sex thing going on. There was a guy at the urinal with a man having anal sex with him and another man having anal sex with the middle man at the same time. I went back to the bartender, shocked, and told him what was going on. He asked me if the guy in the middle had a tattoo of a ship on his back. I said “yes , how did you know? He said,” Shit, Vlad is always the lucky one!”

  317. dale July 12, 2012 at 1:06 am #

    Way ahead of ya Bubba, went to one of their parties once, at the mansion they had on Pacific St, in S.F., but then, you wouldn’t know anything about that. Would you?

  318. dale July 12, 2012 at 1:10 am #

    The bell curve can represent many things in nature which have a median and equal distributions to either side.
    I believe that is what they call a “standard deviation” in statistics, bubba.

  319. anti soak July 12, 2012 at 1:11 am #

    I assumed you did not know who ‘Da’ was, thats all!
    Good you didnt get ‘caught up in that cult’..
    I know a few people who did.

  320. anti soak July 12, 2012 at 1:15 am #

    China, 1.5? billion people.
    USA 1/3 billion people.
    Japan 100? Million.
    Where does India with its 1.5 Billion fit in terms of use? 4th? 50th?

  321. dale July 12, 2012 at 1:24 am #

    Just kiddin’ ya,…..I didn’t know of course. Met the BFJ guys in a bar one night in S.F (called McAuthur Park) I was seeing off a friend who was taking a business trip., they were carrying on like crazy, reminded me of the wild men I grew up with. Finally, one of them, comes over and downs my drink! Asks me “what do you think of that”, I replied “I think you owe me a drink”. He laughs and invites me over to what was billed as a bachelor party, for ALL OF THEM! Then they invite me to the wedding, were they all get remarried to their wives. Weird shit, I’m telling you. But an experience I will never forget in a fabulous mansion in Pacific Heights, S.F. Funny as hell.
    On closely related topic great author, has written a few books, couple on Longchenpa, Keith Dowman, one called “Natural Perfection”, guy is brilliant, once a BFJ guy, don’t know if he was one of the guys I met that night. Cheers, I have to go to bed.

  322. dale July 12, 2012 at 1:30 am #

    But was he getting’ a reach around is the question?

  323. Pucker July 12, 2012 at 2:05 am #

    I’m touched. I’m speechless. I don’t know what to say? I’m misty-eyed….
    “Tim ‘en me, a-hunting went,
    Met three girls in a pop-up-tent,
    They was three and we was two,
    So, I bucked one and Tim Buck Two!”

  324. Vlad Krandz July 12, 2012 at 2:22 am #

    Has no one else heard about the threat to our 2nd Ammendment Rights? Or do you just not care?

  325. asoka.. July 12, 2012 at 2:30 am #

    Q., you posted twice about the errors.
    There are 19 errors, not 16.
    I thought your second post was to change the 16 to 19, but it was identical.

  326. Pucker July 12, 2012 at 2:35 am #

    According to the F../B , I article, one identifying characteristic of a potential threat is someone who talks about the Bible, and the U.S. C onsti..tution.
    Go figure….

  327. ak July 12, 2012 at 2:48 am #

    A couple of interesting pts:
    Spanish miners w/h0m3m@d3 m1$$1l3s:
    (click thru, pls – recipe, anyone?)
    Avg AiQueue of Nations (via Fred on Everything)
    Stay Freaked Out,
    over&out, ak
    Youmouxia, my love.

  328. ak July 12, 2012 at 3:00 am #

    That’s “EyeQueue,” obviously.
    hah 🙂

  329. ak July 12, 2012 at 3:07 am #

    Q: can U imagine someone rites w/G in mind?
    Do U want all yr thghts recorded? For ever?
    Just thnkng. -ak

  330. 8man July 12, 2012 at 3:13 am #

    “My sense is that the only reason this stuff exists is one reason and just one reason only: A. Bombs. B. Energy so we can stick it to the arabs and stop buying their oil. ”
    Not the most important reasons: the most important reasons are to buy a lot of equipment and machines and wires etc. from a lot of manufacturers hence creating a nice money cycle in the economy where a lot of high tech or even middle tech companies can work, sell and hire and give jobs to college grads, etc.
    To hire and give work to all the college grads on tech, science, physics and electronics and mathematics, since they have been all chanting, in the last 50 years, since I was a little baby, “WE NEED MORE MATH AND SCIENCE GRADS, AND ENGINEERS AND INNOVATION AND STARTUPS AND TECHNOLOGY AND SILICON VALLEY SUCCESS STORIES AND THE SELF MADE MAN INVENTING SOME NEW CRAP IN HIS GARAGE AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.”(in all truth, this technological economy needs more engineers and workers in general like a hole in the head, the measure of the success of the present economic model is how many people it can leave at home producing the same amount of goods (not services which are all make believe, unecessary, a lot of hot air and craporola) and in fact it amazes me that the USA economy still has 100 million people employed, that number should and will go down, way way down to maybe 5 million people tops, the rest are just not needed, fluff, a waste of space, time and money, etc.).
    In all truth, I don’t think that there is anymore possible technological applications at the particle accelerator energy levels: we are way beyond anything that can be used and any possible applications. After all, this particle accelerator and particle physics stuff has been going on for decades now, and still no real new application has popped up from it: and don’t confuse the old fashioned technologies used to accelerate the particles like super conducting magnets and such or the software and computers as “applications”: they were designed and invented without any need to know or use any of this physics, etc.
    The great Mother of all Models for all of this Science and Technology and Startup and Silicon Valley and Innovation myth that has been going on in the last 50 years all comes from a very simple, once in a civilization’s lifetime story: the applications of solid state circuits on slabs of Silicon and the Moore’s law of transistor integration and such, and those few lucky breaks allowing Bill Gates to invent his little BASIC programming language for the first PCs and Steve Jobs to invent his first little PC and such: and hence the myth that that could go on forever with ever new inventions and such. But that game is over and done with, 90 % of the inventions and applications that are possible have been made, now very little is really left, and you just have to look at all the new technology being applied in cars and compare the numbers to cars of the 1960s: Lamborghini in 1967 could travel 300 km/h and go from 0 to 100 in 7 seconds: now after 50 years, the numbers are 350 km/h and 0 to 100 in 2.8 seconds: wow what a big deal after 50 years of Research and Development: same with gas consumption, you get 20 km/l you had 10 km/l, wow what a big improvement, etc.
    The tech game is mostly over, we are just doing the same things over and over again, putting a digital camera in the IPAD, etc. Calling the Internet with a new name “The Cloud”, etc.
    The only real novelty will be changing how our neural circuits are arranged in our brain and free salaries and cheap rents to all and huge public private projects, the same BS I have been talking about for years all over the Internet…
    But most of all, no one can cross control the results of the LHC, it is only one experiment done in one place with a one specific group of persons etc.: Science really means that the same result must be obtained in a different place, with different people, independently, etc. So it can’t be controlled, so in a sense, the Higgs Boson discovery is outside of the realms of Science already, no possibility to control the truth of it all in you garage…

  331. Pucker July 12, 2012 at 4:15 am #

    “Hey Dr. King’s quoting from the Bible and the Constitution. Put him on the Watch List…”

  332. Pucker July 12, 2012 at 9:23 am #

    Have any of the Black Studies majors out there ever been in a Black Hole?
    I’ve never been in a Black Hole.
    I’ve been in a White Hole.
    I’ve been in a Yellow Hole.
    And I’ve been in a Brown Hole.
    But I’ve never been in a Black Hole.

  333. ozone July 12, 2012 at 10:33 am #

    Not to fret, ak:
    (Lots of further links at the bottom of that.)
    Keepin’ it real good and jangly! ;o)

  334. ozone July 12, 2012 at 10:37 am #

    Well, c’mon now, how much fun did you really want to have?

  335. longaeva July 12, 2012 at 11:07 am #

    Video Dailymotion:
    CATASTROIKA: The destruction of the nation state
    English Subs (click on CC):

  336. ozone July 12, 2012 at 11:10 am #

    Nooooooo! Not San Berdoo too!
    (From the article.)
    “Before Stockton, a California city had not filed for bankruptcy since Vallejo in 2008.”
    Ah, now I’m gettin’ it; FOUR YEARS AGO is now to be treated like ancient, mist-shrouded history, when dinosaurs roamed the Earth. Seems to me, that would be filed under RECENTLY, but I guess that’s just me. Do you see the gathering snowball rolling down the mountainside?
    Close your eyes tight, Poppets; that’s what makes the bad things go ‘way…

  337. ozone July 12, 2012 at 11:15 am #

    Thanks for the link.

  338. qxfpoay60 July 12, 2012 at 12:21 pm #

    Sony and Capcom Host Super Street Fighter IV Event This Friday
    115w ago – Today Community Senior Manager Seth Killian has announced news of a Super Street Fighter IV event this Friday hosted by Sony in conjunction with Capcom.

    To quote: For those who don’t know, we call these things “Fight Clubs” and the concept is pretty simple.

    We find an underground location (sometimes literally underground, sometimes just an abandoned warehouse, sometimes a sneaker shop, but you get the idea), and drop a bunch of Street Fighter games in there, then let people throw down in arcade-style, face-to-face combat.

    We spice it up with some totally exclusive shirt giveaways, exclusive artwork and giftbags, and maybe… just maybe, some extra epic events.

    The party is going down this Friday, April 23rd, from 8pm to midnight, in Los Angeles, CA (in the Silver Lake neighborhood).

    We’ll post the exact address on Thursday, so stay tuned, but here’s a little taste of what’s in store, and why people are already making plans to fly into town just for this party:

    • Hands on with Super Street Fighter IV, including chances to win an early copy of the final game on PlayStation 3.
    • Great Street Fighter art on the exclusive shirts + posters, live art on the walls, and even… on you?
    • Gift bags for the first few hundred fans through the door
    • Live DJ, light food and drinks
    • Big-screen game exhibitions, plus appearances from some very special guests all the way from Japan
    • One final note–we have an, um… special opportunity for some brave fans to win some great prizes, but to participate, you’ll want to bring a change of clothes–clothes you don’t mind having potentially destroyed 🙂

    This event is open to the public, and based on some of our past parties, there’s a very good chance this is going to be totally nuts. Translation: if you want to go, try and arrive early! We’ll be posting the exact address and one more surprise on Wednesday, so stay tuned. But make your plans now, and set expectations to “awesome.”

    For anyone that isn’t in LA, or just can’t make it R4i 3DS Gold 16GB, you can watch the action on the Capcom ustream page. Event starts at 8, but we may begin streaming anytime that day!

    Super Street Fighter IV arrives on April 27th r4ds adapter for nintendo ds lite, and it’s only $39.99. For fighting fans, this is a no-brainer, but for anybody that missed out on the original Street Fighter IV, or just wants to see what it is about these games that drives their fans so crazy, do yourself a favor pick this up (and come down to the party!)

  339. ozone July 12, 2012 at 12:48 pm #

    “No-brainer” is correct.
    Even street fighting is a button-pushing fraud by proxy. Christ, it never stops.
    That’s right, keep shoveling the bullshit as fast as you can, because some folks have already climbed out of the pit and refuse to be subsumed. Gotta hope those that remain are well buried.
    Do your-OWN-self a favor and attend the fuck-off-and-die party. (Starts now; no cover.)

  340. k-dog July 12, 2012 at 12:50 pm #

    “A wasteland of futile motoring and discount shopping populated by depressed, overfed clowns bedizened with sinister tattoos, pretending to be Star Warriors. ”
    We all need to belong to something. Reality being what it is fantasy becomes more attractive. What else is there for yeast people to do?

  341. k-dog July 12, 2012 at 12:57 pm #

    “The solar factories that should be running at full speed are shutting down while the enrichment centrifuges are spinning up. The human race is on a death march into the future. But hey, gas went down 20 cents so lets party on.
    P a R t A y !!!!!!!!!!!!

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  344. Vlad Krandz July 12, 2012 at 1:17 pm #

    What do you think of Jim’s new book?
    American Solar Power Companies like Solyndra are just money laundering operations for the Democratic Party. I mean how could they be profitable unless we block imports from China and the 3rd world? Don’t get me wrong: I’m for them – if we are serious, in for a penny in for a pound. Block 3rd world imports and then let’s see how it goes. If everyone is against tariffs, if it is a taboo word/concept to both parties – there’s got to be something important there, something good for us.

  345. Vlad Krandz July 12, 2012 at 1:21 pm #

    Talking to program loops now? Zone, dude get help. Your fire element is out of whack.

  346. Vlad Krandz July 12, 2012 at 1:27 pm #

    Good Dale. Yes Afro-American Blacks are one standard deviation below Whites in IQ. Pure Negroes are two standard deviatons – yes, a mind blowingly low IQ of 70. A race of retards in other words.
    You know statistics? Take on Msrs Hernstein and Murray then. Try and disprove their methodology. No one has been able to yet. Steven Jay Gould tried to take on Arthur Jensen and humiliated himself by showing that he didn’t understand even moderately advanced statistics.

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  348. Vlad Krandz July 12, 2012 at 1:49 pm #

    Another city in California going down. Yet the State has the money for a high speed rail system. The disconnect is complete.

  349. ozone July 12, 2012 at 1:49 pm #

    Good to “see” you Mr. K.
    Plus, we should never forget that all this massive advertising blitz to sell ever more useless crap, automated though it be, is set in motion by some fuckwit, somewhere, who pushes the proper buttons to set it all in motion. Is there still enough sugar to feed the yeast before it chokes on its’ own waste products?

  350. asoka.. July 12, 2012 at 2:07 pm #

    Wonderful intellectual stimulation here:
    Q. responding to grammar.
    The AI bot struggling with grammar.
    Ozone responding to spam bots.
    The Chinese spammer befuddling NSA.
    Vlad responding to “race” 24/7.
    E. ranting about “hypocrisy” (ha!)
    anti soak deploring anything liberal.
    Spam4Brains deploring immigration.
    Apeman calling for skyscrapers
    ASPO calling for trains, more trains.
    K-dog gave up the presidential race.
    ak writing in some kind of code.
    Pucker safeguarding the Bible and Constitution.
    Jam47 worried if he is “neo-colonial”
    dale relating tales of “McAuthur Park” (sic)
    WSP7 imagining “New Black Panthers” are real.
    xport commenting “deep” (his complete comment)
    MD focused on “.00000000017% of this quadrant”
    The only sane and intelligent person commenting this week is Turkle (and I include myself among the ignorant and insane).
    Turkle the atheist is the only rational, reasonable … and extremely patient … person contributing this week.

    Carry on.

  351. k-dog July 12, 2012 at 2:12 pm #

    Is there still enough sugar to feed the yeast before it chokes on its’ own waste products.
    Sugar sugar, honey honey.
    The sugar all comes from corn syrup and the bees aren’t comin back to the hive. The yeast is in peril but yeast don’t worry or hurry and thinks not at all.

  352. Vlad Krandz July 12, 2012 at 2:32 pm #

    Remember the yeast is also the leaven which will rise….

  353. Vlad Krandz July 12, 2012 at 2:38 pm #

    Wrong yu Black Ape: I also wrote about the Muslim desire to blow up the Pyramids and also Occultism.
    Just found Meher Baba’s “Listen Humanity” for 25 cents. Good chapter about the positive effects of War on World Consciousness. Like other great moralists, Baba differentiates between war and murder, as well as suicide out of despair as opposed to suicide to save another. It’s the motive dim wit. A man who kills in service of appointed authority is a much higher state than a murderer.
    Whether any given war is just in itself is another question. Hope you can see the distinction. It’s easier than the difference between effect and affect which you explained.

  354. asoka.. July 12, 2012 at 2:51 pm #

    Vlad, please try to be more compassionate. Calling me a Black Ape, even with capitalization, is not compassionate.
    The Stanford University Center for Compassion and Altruism Research and Education (CCARE) will host The Science of Compassion: Origins, Measures and Interventions, the first large-scale international conference of its kind dedicated to study of compassion (July 19-22 in Telluride, Colorado).
    “While compassion is a fundamental part of every religious tradition, there is an ever enlarging body of scientific evidence that being compassionate has immense positive impact on the individual both in regard to their mental and physical health. This first-of-its-kind conference will highlight these scientific findings and provide a forum for researchers from around the world to collaborate with colleagues from a variety of disciplines.” says Dr. James Doty, director of CCARE.

  355. San Jose Mom 51 July 12, 2012 at 4:21 pm #

    I know I can’t beat Q’s funny poetry, but here’s something “Lord of the Rings” fans might appreciate (Vlad?):
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    One Facebook to find them,
    One Facebook to bring them all,
    And on the internet bind them.

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  357. Vlad Krandz July 12, 2012 at 5:18 pm #

    What about your roomba? Is it safe? Does it ever talk? What does it say?

  358. anti soak July 12, 2012 at 5:21 pm #

    With the 2 .. [DOTS]at the end of yr name?
    whats that all about?
    ‘Spam4Brains deploring immigration’,
    Finally started insulting people, eh?
    Maybe spidey can send you to his ‘trillions of skyscrapers on Mars’?

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  360. Vlad Krandz July 12, 2012 at 5:24 pm #

    Good but it needs to be one syllable to really work.
    Some say that deep, deep, in the hidden recesses of Obamacare is the provision to chip us all. Might not be true, don’t know. But they have a deep desire to do this, that I do know. It would just make so much SENSE after all.
    Remember, if you accept the Chip, you will not see God.

  361. anti soak July 12, 2012 at 5:26 pm #

    Speaking of Blacks, Mr DNA, I was reading about Slavery in the way old days.
    Seems that Portugese, of all the ‘old line Euros’,
    had the most slaves, and now have the most Afro DNA [9%?].

  362. Inquiring Mind July 12, 2012 at 5:36 pm #

    The whole point of this comment section is for people to communicate and share ideas. It is informal. Typos happen when people make posts. It’s not like they need to have an editor. YOU know that I mis-typed and meant “outpoints” and that the mixing of “their” and “there” is a common typo when one is typing out their thoughts… or should I say there thoughts? It would be different if one’s spelling, grammar or syntax acted to inhibit the communication of their idea… which my errors did not.
    What is your point? It is clear from your nit-picking on unimportant points that you have intentions other than the exchange of ideas, education, solutions, etc. Weird intentions. Toxic intentions. Illogical intentions.
    Say something constructive or shut up you critical little whacked out insect faggot or I’ll shove one of my outpoits up their where the sun don’t shine you little poop head humanoid fuck up.

  363. Inquiring Mind July 12, 2012 at 5:45 pm #

    My communication never had the intent to be condescending or state that I am educated. I was just making an observation based on a book I read recently. I consider myself in the same boat as the rest of US citizens. As a group we are the sum of our parts. If some or many are undeducated, then we are all uneducated and will suffer the consequences.
    Instead of the crap that we learned in our school years (there was no real education) if every American received an actual education… critical thinking, economic history, the true and fundamental principles of economics, government in general and the structure of our government, responsibility, ethics, etc. etc. we may have done a better job of picking and monitoring our representatives through the decades and avoided coming to the end we are about to deal with.
    That is what I was trying to say. Sorry if I was unclear.

  364. San Jose Mom 51 July 12, 2012 at 6:27 pm #

    It was common to put a chip in dogs so that if they were out roaming around without a collar, they could be identified and returned to their owner. I had my Beagle “chipped” years ago. Since then they’ve found that chipped dogs get tumors around the chips. Not good. Doubt that they chip humans–the chance of lawsuits would be too risky.
    My puppy, Lola, is not going to get chipped.

  365. ozone July 12, 2012 at 6:50 pm #

    I took your meaning “properly” (as per your re-explanation), though I’ll always wonder if Man, even in his final incarnation, is doomed to the pursuit of “empire” unto extinction. Subjugation seems a sad and pitiable way to quest for immortality, doesn’t it?
    (As far as education; the more I learn, the less I know, and the more I need to learn. The “mere” physical world is truly a bottomless well of complexity that has barely been scratched, knowledge-wise. Guess I’ll never be bored anyhoo.)

  366. Iona Laundramat July 12, 2012 at 7:05 pm #

    Is your Beagle still alive?

  367. dale July 12, 2012 at 7:37 pm #

    Maybe you should consider selling your bullshit door to door, and see how long you survive that way? Of course you won’t, people like you need to have someplace to hide while they behave like feces throwing monkeys.

  368. dale July 12, 2012 at 7:39 pm #

    Regards Kyoo, don’t waste your breath, he probably spent his whole life writing little numbers in straight lines, and that’s what he’s good at, so he’s bound to keep reminding us.

  369. anti soak July 12, 2012 at 8:50 pm #

    Is “Stinky” our much beloved OEO?

  370. dale July 12, 2012 at 9:05 pm #

    My apologies to you for Vald’s despicable behavior, and I salute you for your tolerant and reasoned response to his boorishness.
    One thing people often don’t understand concerning compassion is, while we need to have compassion for people, even people like Vlad, we do not need to have compassion for their loutish behavior and harmful views. No such “tolerance” needs to be applied to incidences where these views are expressed. We are not our thoughts, and are thoughts do not necessarily deserve respect.
    It should be obvious even to someone of Vlad’s distorted mindset, that his sort of thinking can only lead to the destruction of his exalted white race. We are not hacking at each other with swords anymore, we are setting on a nuclear time bomb. Intolerance isn’t an option, it’s a death sentence for us all. Only fools can’t see that.

  371. Kyooshtik July 12, 2012 at 9:25 pm #

    YOU know that I mis-typed and meant “outpoints”
    Actually I had no idea what you meant and still don’t. Here is what you wrote: (if one isn’t educated, one can’t see, can’t recognize outpoits, nor can they make comparisons or analyze).
    Here is the dictionary definition of outpoint:
    outpoint [?a?t?p??nt]
    vb (tr)
    1. to score more points than
    2. (Transport / Nautical Terms) Nautical to sail closer to the wind (point higher) than (another sailing vessel
    Perhaps you can explain how either of those two senses works in the sentence you wrote.
    As to WHY I bother correcting spelling and grammar errors…it’s an obsession. This obsession is given extra provocation when the writer being corrected has effectively divided the populace into two camps: the educated, with whom he obviously associates, and the uneducated.
    What I’m saying here Stink is that you put your foot in your own mouth.

  372. ozone July 12, 2012 at 9:26 pm #

    Regarding that “bottomless well”, s’pose it should be “barely sipped from”, or “hardly plumbed”. “Scratching” a watery surface just don’t get it visualized, does it? ;o)

  373. Kyooshtik July 12, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    and are thoughts do not necessarily deserve respect.
    we are setting on a nuclear time bomb.

  374. Jam47 July 12, 2012 at 9:40 pm #

    The blogger Robert Lindsay (Major and Minor Research Pieces) has lots of essays on race. His percentage figure for black DNA in the Portuguese is 4.4. Here are some other percentages:
    Russia 0.2
    Poland 0.2
    Austria 0.5
    Germany 1.7
    Spain 2.2
    Southern Italy 4.2
    Greece 5.0
    Sicily (Sciacca) 8.7
    Does the One Drop rule make all of these people black?

  375. Pucker July 12, 2012 at 10:15 pm #

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  376. Pucker July 12, 2012 at 10:22 pm #

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    I once had a conversation with a pleasant Indian bloke on a train in China. When I mentioned Peak Oil, his retort was simply a deep-seated conviction that Technology would be the deux ex machina that would inevitably save humanity. Weird….

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    Out-point as in the opposite of plus-point. It is a colloquial term… unofficial… idiomatic… vernacular that I would think most Americans should have heard or read and understand the meaning of.
    Out-point can be defined as something illogical or something that detracts from survival. A datum offered as true that is in fact found to be illogical or unworkable in the scheme of things or in life (survival). Ok, tracking with me now?
    If someone isn’t educated they can’t “see”, recognize out-points, or analyze.
    If someone was born into a country/economy with central banks, central planning and fiat money and never studied economic history they wouldn’t see fiat money as an out-point. They would just accept it as the norm. Yet someone who was educated would have other forms of government and economic policies to compare this to and would understand that fiat money is an outpoint as it allows government and politicians to spend and borrow without limit and destroy the value of the currency.
    We fought for our independence back in the day here in America and one of the main points was that the king wanted to levy a 1% tax. Today an American (uneducated about early American tax history) can lose over half of his income due to payroll taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, etc. etc. Yet he went out this past weekend and celebrated “Independence Day/Fourth of July”. How is that for an out-point?
    ANTISOAK: No… I’m not your beloved OEO. I used to be Alfbell. Changed to Stinkypants cuz that was a funny nickname that my father always had for me (and he just recently passed away).

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  382. Kyooshtik July 13, 2012 at 12:04 am #

    Out-point as in the opposite of plus-point. It is a colloquial term… unofficial… idiomatic… vernacular that I would think most Americans should have heard or read and understand the meaning of.
    I have never heard the term outpoint nor its supposed opposite, plus-point…and I am a person who pays attention to such things.
    I ask in all sincerity if any other CFNers here have ever heard this word and recognize as valid Stinky’s definition as something illogical or something that detracts from survival. A datum offered as true that is in fact found to be illogical or unworkable in the scheme of things or in life (survival).
    Colloquial means “characteristic of ordinary or familiar conversation; informal.” In what region of the country do you live where the word outpoint is heard in ordinary or familiar conversation?
    Outpoint does not even appear in the Urban Dictionary where unusual or oddball words often appear.
    If out-point has an opposite why is it not in-point? If plus-point has an opposite why is it not minus-point?
    Sorry Stink, no matter how hard I try I come to the conclusion that outpoint is a word known only to yourself.

  383. Vlad Krandz July 13, 2012 at 12:24 am #

    Compassion? That means Mitt Romeny – unless Blacks are looking for a handout not a hand.
    Nice dodge btw. You don’t want to criticize Muslims in any way even if they blow up the Pyramids. And of course, you don’t want to criticize Baba – whose philosophy is the mainstream spiritual one and completely at odds with your crankish pacifism.
    As Cyrus said in the movie 300, how cruel Leonidas is to make you live on your feet. I will let you kneel. I think most Blacks want a handout not a hand.

  384. Kyooshtik July 13, 2012 at 12:35 am #

    It’s easier than the difference between effect and affect which you explained. – Vlad speaking about a post by Asoka
    Before it slips my mind, what Messi asked for was a “rule of thumb.” After I said “I don’t know” Asoka came back with a dissertation – a copy and paste job from a dictionary. I could have done that too but the request was for a rule of thumb…something short and sweet and easy to remember like “i before e except after c or when sounded like a as in neighbor and weigh.” A rule that is correct in most, but not all, instances.

  385. Vlad Krandz July 13, 2012 at 12:38 am #

    The Truth is the Truth and is no respecter of persons. Blacks are far below is in IQ on average. Your compassion for this alien race is misplaced – it should be for your own people first and foremost. For the rest, later if anything is left.
    By loving the alien, you think you yourself superior to traditional Whites, but in fact it just shows your disease. Xenophillia is a cultural sickiness and is increasingly recognzied as such. I have no doubt that when critical mass is reached you will jump ship and claim you always were patriotic and true. Such hypocrisy is and two facededness is your customary mode of being. You always know which side your bread is buttered on, but We will be on the lookout for your kind from now on. Brain scans can pick up psychopaths and I certainly think they should be used to screen people for important positions, marriages, etc. Of course, I don’t know if your illness is that severe.
    Asoka is a Racist too – remember? But you have no problem with that, do you?

  386. Vlad Krandz July 13, 2012 at 12:46 am #

    Well he does alot of cut and paste but it did sound like his own words this time. I think Asoka has the intellectual goods but he just refuses to use his mind as it should be used.
    Same with women: talk to a Phd in Philosophy about anything she cares about and she will immediately forget the rules of thought and start with the usual distortions, exaggerations, misdirections – in short, any and all schoolyard tactics up to and including name calling and throwing the kitchen sink at you in order to win.
    I don’t doubt you could have explained it just as well. In fact, I wouldn’t mind if you did since I’m not sure I have it down perfectly yet even though Asoka’s explanation helped.

  387. Vlad Krandz July 13, 2012 at 12:59 am #

    It will be introduced gradually – incrementalism is their way. Finally, it will be made to seem incredibly cranky and uncool not to be chipped.
    Read the Book of Revelation – it’s all there.

  388. Buck Stud July 13, 2012 at 1:12 am #

    Brain scans can pick up psychopaths and I certainly think they should be used to screen people for important positions, marriages, etc.

    Today’s brain scan is tomorrow’s “Lie Detector”…when will you ever learn.
    More IQ, please.

  389. 8man July 13, 2012 at 4:23 am #

    I am really pretty sure of the following:
    1) At those Energy Levels, at those complexity levels, at those theoretical levels and such (a 7 billion dollar machine 27 km wide, 3,000 scientists – technicians or so) the result of the discoveries, the results of the experiments WILL NOT AND CANNOT LEAD TO ANY REAL PRACTICAL TECHNOLOGICAL APPLICATIONS. There is nothing we can apply those Energy Levels to in order to provide a function to some kind of problem or some kind of gadget or some kind of solution to some practical problem, it is way beyond any possible practical use or application, bar none;
    2) The LHC Salesmen on the other hand always chant the examples of the NASA Moon Landing Program that helped discover Integrated Circuits and other things and such and the Myth that Basic Research can and will lead to new technologies and applications, etc. Maybe in some fields some breadcrumbs are still left (mostly Chemistry, Solid State Physics, mostly Biological – Pharmaceutical or such but the Energy Levels (they are very much lower) involved in these sectors have absolutely nothing at all to do with the LHC Energy Levels). Like the Myth of the “Invisible Hand of the Market”, we are always expecting Magic and Miracles to come out of disjoint activities, results that magically appear from nowhere, etc. so basic research will give us some new miracle solutions to problems;
    3) The Theoretical – Mathematical – Metaphysical results of the experiments are the only things of any real value that the LHC will provide: but those theories are so detached and far away from any practical life and everyday use as to be closer to ART than anything else: John Cage on Steroids.
    Hence, why not just be honest, why not just say: We are doing these experiments only for theoretical and philosophical reasons, there is no Return on Investment to be expected, there is no new application that will pop up from it, it is only for our Knowledge and to further our theory ? AMEN .
    And thank god that there is no new possible applications, we now have the ability to integrate 4 Billion Transistors on Integrated Circuits, enough to give us IPAD devices full of APPS and functions to occupy our Mind and Time for decades on end as in “Give Them a Function They Will Be Happy”, like little babies who always have to be occupied by some activity and function, to saturate the mind and time instead of being able to just do absolutely nothing at all, what Man should really do, absolutely nothing at all, a void, etc. We don’t need any further applications, any other novelties, we have more than enough, as in the machines are programming what we have to do, what we do and our activities and behaviors, we no longer program the machines, the machines program us (or the programmers who programmed the machines are programming our life indirectly by making everyone interact with these machines through all the silly APPS all day long).

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    I just finished your new book; once again, excellent insight & for what it’s worth, a path that clears or at least is navigatable through these wholly unprecedented time. The Sun is truly setting on Empire, as spotty as She may be…
    I’ve been involved with a collective of community gardeners immersed in permaculture operations & practices, so it looks for the time being (not that I believe we have much time left before we crumble to dust for good) we’ve been getting one thing right! Gonna read your latest book again, & already looking forward to the next one. Keep up the great work, Jim!

  392. charliefoxtrot July 13, 2012 at 8:54 am #

    saw on the chiron that ‘some congressional lawmakers’ are ‘upset’ that our olympic uniforms were made in china…so is it just me, or was it the same lawmakers who wrote the rules re tarriffs, taxes, etc which made it inevitable? i mean, really, ‘express outrage’ seems a little strong, considering…

  393. ozone July 13, 2012 at 9:17 am #

    I saw that and laughed and laughed! This kind of disconnect is becoming more and more common with the brain-dead bloviators inhabiting the vaunted halls of law-making. Do they represent the per capita smarts of their constituents? (Guess we’re in more trouble than we thought.) Nearly used a patented CFT expression, but I like to save wtftstfizzat? for truly unusual happenstance (idiocy from our leaders not being one).
    It would probably behoove them not to ‘express outrage’ too vociferously before checking the notes hastily scribbled by their interns; Da Peeple may begin to notice something amiss. There’s plenty of cognitive dissonance to go ’round already… just look at this place! ;o)

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    (Um, we shouldn’t mention that the losses are much closer to 8 billion bucks; that would be unseemly and make the esteemed Sir Dimon look like a fucking liar, so we won’t…)
    All fixed though.
    Please resume gambling in the rigged casino without fear of bad actors… Hurrah, me boys, Hurrah!
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  399. Kyooshtik July 13, 2012 at 10:48 am #

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    Now, before you get pissed off Matt, consider that I read JHK’s new book and found 16 errors. I informed Jim of the errors in detail by email and he promptly replied “Many thanks, Kyoo. I have forwarded to my publisher.”

  400. ozone July 13, 2012 at 11:30 am #

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    (Okay, let us not niggle about the exact ‘when’ of an American Terror, let us instead consider the ‘if’ of such approaching rumblings. That might be worth discussing, and JHK thinks it quite possible.)

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    Thanks, so according to that Italians are more ‘black’.
    One Drop Rule? Was that a EU thing?

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  406. Rhino July 13, 2012 at 12:58 pm #

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    I agree that the American elite will put the military before all else, thinking that a military backstop will guarantee their social/economic/political position.
    Wouldn’t it be ironic then if it was the American military that acted as the usurper of their power?
    Can you imagine a situation where a national emergency – ie food shortages from a prolonged drought – required resolute action? What action? Let’s say food rationing and action against Wall Street speculators who hoard and drive up food prices.
    Can you imagine a Washington in the pockets of Wall Street that, in such a situation, talks and talks and postures and gives all aid short of help, that utterly fails to deliver any sort of relief? And politicians who personally profit from such a scenario by way of their connections in the business world?
    And can you imagine a group of outraged army officers and a LARGE group of enlisted men mobilizing against Wall Street and Washington, conducting a clean up operation, arresting and summarily executing moneymen and politicos that the officers see as the perpetrators and profiteers?
    Maybe I’m being a starry eyed idealist thinking that the military will act for the common good and do what the law and unorganized citizenry can’t do or won’t do. The unlikely and the inconceivable happen over and over. And coups happen all the time and I don’t think the US is immune.

  407. Rhino July 13, 2012 at 1:04 pm #

    Vlad, learn from history. Fascism and its evil twin Communism put Europe in its grave.
    I know enough people that lived through fascism and suffered at the hands of fascists. So I’ll take their word.
    You may think that fascism is a great system. But what if the fascists come for you Vlad? If you’re lucky you get away with a rifle butt in the teeth. And if you’re not lucky you meet a miserable end in a prison camp.
    Fascism? No thanks Vlad. We’ve been there and done that.

  408. Rhino July 13, 2012 at 1:08 pm #

    I didn’t address the Huey long thing because I don’t know anything about Huey Long. The name rings a bell and that’s about it.

  409. Widespreadpanic7 July 13, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

    Howdy Ripthunder;
    Where the hell have you been?
    Hows retirement, so far?

  410. Vlad Krandz July 13, 2012 at 2:42 pm #

    Wrong. Liberal Democracy won and is turning the West over to Non Whites. Get it straight. Do you think Hitler would have given Europe to the Muslems?
    Think outside the box. No one is watching you anymore – an old man has the right to think at least. But you just keep bleating the dull ideas that the Plutocrats put in your head.
    Liberal Democracy is just an earlier stage of Communism. It is always moving in that direction and it financed them in the case of the Soviet Union and helped them come to power in the case of China. None of this makes any sense in terms of your paradigm, but mine explains it just fine.

  411. Vlad Krandz July 13, 2012 at 2:46 pm #

    Obama continues his plan of destruction: they plan to extend Title 9 to STEM subjects in Colleges. That means telling men what they can study. Already 25% more women graduate than men, but that isn’t enough I guess.

  412. Vlad Krandz July 13, 2012 at 2:51 pm #

    CNN asks, “Why are all Washington DC mayors corrupt? Rush answers, “Because they’re all Liberal Democrats”. Wrong Rush – it’s because they’re all Black.

  413. Inquiring Mind July 13, 2012 at 4:43 pm #

    I Googled outpoint and didn’t find that usage. Strange to me because I’ve heard and used the term before without a problem. Don’t know where I picked it up. Ok, so let’s change this largely unknown term of “outpoint” to “illogic” or “falsehood”. How’s that?
    Now let’s get away from semantics and to the subject…
    The concept that I attempted to get across is that if an individual isn’t educated (lacking the study of critical thinking, logic, history, alternative systems or solutions, etc.) then their chance of recognizing an illogic or falsehood is greatly lessened. Politicians and government can thus more easily control or manipulate an uneducated populace.
    Do I make myself clear now?
    And is this not a valid point that an uneducated citizenry is doomed to trouble?

  414. ozone July 13, 2012 at 5:23 pm #

    “And is this not a valid point that an uneducated citizenry is doomed to trouble?” -SP
    Well, I would say, definitely (and BIG trouble at that), but I ain’t Kyoo, and wouldn’t presume to speak for him in any regard.
    When the lumpenprole are told without any fear of contradiction that the only secure “job” to be had is in the military (and believe it), the Rubicon will have been crossed for the final time. …At the very least for the FormerUSA.
    Listen for this pronouncement.
    Got to git ag’in. (Weird day, weird circumstance, weird head. I’m sure it ain’t contagious on this Friday of the 13th, but did I mention it sure feels weird?)
    Aside: Look for Northern Lights on Sat. and Sun. nights if in the N. third of the country.

  415. ozone July 13, 2012 at 5:27 pm #

    At the Swinging Parrot (Winsted) tonight, 8:30-11:30. Should have given you a heads-up, but forgot. :o(

  416. DeeJones July 13, 2012 at 5:43 pm #

    “China, 1.5? billion people.
    USA 1/3 billion people.
    Japan 100? Million.
    Where does India with its 1.5 Billion fit in terms of use? 4th? 50th?”
    If you look at the previous post, the answer is to be found here: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2174rank.html You will find the the entire European Union uses about 13 million bbls per day. Also, look at the numbers, Saudi Arabia is #6 below China Inda & Japan.
    Try reading things, it helps….
    This is probably too late anyway.

  417. DeeJones July 13, 2012 at 5:50 pm #

    BTW Jim, didn’t this blog used to have the comments separated by day? With all the Chinese spam and the 8-man-Ape man posts, the dam page takes forever to load now, which is why I don’t read the late comments much anymore, altho that really doesn’t matter as there really isn’t much of substance there after Tuesday anyway.
    But still, any way to have your blog master separate the comments into sections by day?
    Sometimes I like to take a peek late in the week just to see whats happening. Be nice if I could just skip to Sat for ex.

  418. Vlad Krandz July 13, 2012 at 5:51 pm #

    Foreign aid to Africa – a scam. “They came to do good and did very well indeed”.

  419. anti soak July 13, 2012 at 7:34 pm #

    Gees, there one poster calls him the ‘Indonesian Imbecile’!

  420. anti soak July 13, 2012 at 7:37 pm #

    Thanks, I did try to find the original post [yrs? Dales?] but this is a website thats gone way off due to the spam.

  421. Pucker July 13, 2012 at 8:41 pm #

    I see that Romney is considering Condoleeza Rice as his Vice Presidential running “mate”?
    Good lord!
    Dr. King would be appalled!

  422. Pucker July 13, 2012 at 8:45 pm #

    Katie Couric of NBC once interviewed Condoleeza Rice.
    During the interview, Couric asked Rice:
    “I heard that you like to cook?”
    Rice: “Yes…when I have time….”
    Couric: “I heard that you make a mean fried chicken.”

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    I interpret Romney’s consideration of Condoleeza Rice to mean:
    a. That they’ve done psychological profiles of black voters and concluded that black people will vote for a person only because he/she is black; and
    b. They want war with Iran.
    It’s hopeless….

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  428. asoka.. July 14, 2012 at 5:11 am #

    Here we go again…20 posts a day from the Soake.
    If you would be truthful, Iona, you would see that my posts are under 20 A WEEK, not the 20 a day you claim.
    This week, for example, I have made 11 posts, as of Saturday morning. Several others have made more posts than I have, yet you don’t single them out.
    Examples of number of posts this week:
    39 dale
    27 anti soak
    23 pucker
    31 ozone
    11 Widespreadpanic7
    Iona, you seem to be discriminating against me unfairly.
    And don’t come back with “quality” of posts. My posts are polite, provide statistics, cite sources, and present points of view which you apparently do not agree with. Quality is a subjective assessment.
    You are definitely not being truthful with your false claim of “20 posts a day from the Soake”

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  431. 8man July 14, 2012 at 6:41 am #

    One Bit Event
    Notice the huge mismatch between the imaginary accumulation of result in labor, corporations, people always working, always fooling themelves that they are “Producing” (no one one knows exactly what is being produced and for who, what or for who or whatever, but that is ok, only the ritual counts), they work “So many Hours” (as that is the only real thing that can be measured, the passage of time, time, the conquest of a another second, the passage of another second, another second dedicated to the accumulation of some imaginary result (but the only real result, the only real accumulation is the accumulation of Time, the Number, the Hour and Years passed, “what Time is it, what day or year is it, how many years have passed in that “job function””, etc.), when there is nothing behind it all but fluff and the expression of power and status relationships, heirarchies, winners and losers and that is all, no common good here, or anywhere, or has there ever been, the myth of the “Common Good”, go figure).
    And then the simple One Bit Event, the Mass Layoff deletes it all in a jiffy, exposes how void, useless and redundant all those people were, with all of their labor and “Experience” and such. But so many point like, One Bit Events delete anything, delete entire careers, people working for a promotion for years and the simple decision of any given random turd with the power to “decide” simply decides that the other guy will get ahead, you have been hosed, all your effort has been assigned ZERO, deleted, all those hours and work and overtime simply never happened, etc.
    The comparison of accumulation of effort and the accumulation of extension compared to One Bit Events that decide all, that simple accident that killed you, that simple loss that hosed all your work, that simple One Bit Event that decided something, so easy, so light, just One Bit and all extension is deleted, etc. That simple document that you need for something, that simple Bit that is missing and so on and such (and often that One Bit simply reflects a power relationship between people or groups of people, a simple conflicting will power opposing yours, a simple hidden fight, conflict, opposition that is always assigned as Neutral or Objecitve according to some mocking and clown economic laws).
    Simply: Don’t beleive in anything, it is all a joke, all an illuson, all a deception.
    Every Man Brain (person) is right always, every person is a universe, a separate universe that is trying to force the entire universe to be how he decodes, decides and wants it to be, how his will power wants to force it to be, hence other Man Brains and universes fight the contention of how the “Common World” should be when the common world doesn’t exist, only contrasting decodings and interpretations and will power events and choices and the fights between people trying to force an imaginary, non existent commmon world to be one, to extend through all time and space and mass energy according to only one Man Brain, since every Man Brain is an entire universe.
    But with modified and ever more radically modified Man Brains having new designs and new circuits, the contrast is ever more greater between our Man Brain and the New Man Brains, the possibility of a Common World is ever more remote, the conflict ever higher, the impossibility to establish absolutes ever higher, and considering how many newly designed Man Brains are possible etc. the “Common World” becomes absolutely not even conceivable, so many distinct, contrasting, disjoint, related but unrelated Universes (as every new Man Brain is a New Universe, since only the Experience the Man Brain is Executing is Reality, and these can be so many different types according to the new circuits shoved inside new Skulls) all thinking that they are the Real and One and Only Universe, when they are all irrelevant, a ghost, a make believe, they are all 100 % Wrong (but also 100 % Right), etc.

  432. BeingThere July 14, 2012 at 7:37 am #

    C. Rice has said numerous times that she is not interested in getting back into government at any point. This was a ploy to redirect attention away from the issue of when Romney left Bain when outsourcing took place after companies were dismantled. There are contradictions given that Romney plays both sides of advantages whether he could run for Gov. in Mass. or not take the blame for how the company did business.
    Power means having it both ways–one of the perks of being a big corrupt and sticky cheese (sleaze) in this country. Romney has made it an art form–what a success.
    If you would go to tarpley.net, you can hear an amazing analysis of what’s behind the Romney operation. National policy: Narrow constituency Mormons (theocratic fascism) put in place to run things to the exclusion of even the oil companies. Cut govt aid to 50 million people.
    On the international front. Neocon driven agenda with close friend of many years Netanyahu as final arbiter of decision making process.
    War with Iran–fait accompli!–will that stave off civil war here? as Wage posited in a recent email.

  433. Widespreadpanic7 July 14, 2012 at 7:41 am #

    Damn, Oz, just saw your message this morning. Sorry I missed your appearance. I hope it went well. I was just up the road from there all day and evening, trout fishing next to the abandoned Hitchcock Chair Factory in Riverton. I’ve got my copy of ‘Too Much Magic’ which I want to pass on to you, having finished it last week.
    Speaking of books, I picked up a copy of ‘The Age of Austerity, How Scarcity Will Remake American Politics’, by Thomas Byrne Edsall, a Columbia professor, Washington Post and NYTimes columnist, and Pulitzer Prize winner. There is a lot in here, including branding the Republicans as ‘The White Party’ and profound doubts whether or not the Democrats can keep the welfare state going much longer, but what I found most interesting is that the ‘scarcity’ & ‘age of austerity’ is not the result of ‘peak oil’ or energy problems, which aren’t even mentioned. It looks like these elites in NY and DC don’t even consider the possibility that the supply of petroleum, natural gas or coal could run short, which JHK points out anyway. Edsall paints a pretty bleak picture in this book, which would be only made worse by energy depletion.

  434. Widespreadpanic7 July 14, 2012 at 7:58 am #

    Hey Ibendet, something tells me you’re not backing Romney this time around!
    Just a hunch …

  435. Pucker July 14, 2012 at 8:59 am #

    Obama Administration – recycled Clintons & int’l bankers.
    Romny Administration – recycled Neocons and oil company goons (Condi Rice, fuck ups, pecker heads.)
    What a scam!

  436. BeingThere July 14, 2012 at 9:06 am #

    Hey Marlin,
    Are you?!!
    Oh by the way–the small govt ideologues Republicans are cutting food stamp monies and giving it over to subsidize agribusiness when they don’t make as much as they expect.
    Note the pattern?
    The Sovereign Wealth funds that sell our infrastructure to wealthy transnational interests incl Arabs from Abu Dhabi also guarantee a specific profit. When they don’t get it, we the people have to pay the difference.
    That’s the “free market” at work. Hint—There’s no such thing as a free market—only unregulated for the greedy.
    We are so over. They’ll be nothing for the people–just inverted communism for the top tier—and that’s world-wide.
    Both parties are super stinkers. Look at the TPP trade bill that’s secretly being pushed through!
    This thing is on the fast-track in every area of govt. and transnational corps and banks.–You can hardly keep up with it.

  437. BeingThere July 14, 2012 at 9:26 am #

    And just to add to the complete stalemate in which we find ourselves, don’t forget the civics war in congress!!
    (soon to become a civil war if things don’t change.)
    This is what you call getting nowhere fast.
    No innovations here…

  438. Pucker July 14, 2012 at 9:28 am #

    I was a Black Studies majore in college, but I had to drop out because I got “Jungle Fever”.

  439. Pucker July 14, 2012 at 9:30 am #

    Major, not majore….
    Too much red wine…. Too much Jungle Fever….

  440. Rhino July 14, 2012 at 10:09 am #

    Um Vladdy, plutocrats put nothing inside my head except for disdain for them.
    As for thinking outside the box, sometimes things are just as they seem. The people (non plutocrats) that told me about what they went through in the 1920s and 1930s told it to me straight. I can smell a bullshitter as well as anyone else and these people (family among them) are/were not bullshitters.
    Sometime the blindingly obvious is just blindingly obvious: Fascists are/were perverts and murderers and thieves. And Communists were just as bad if not worse. If you want to say the Communists were worse you’ll get no argument from me.
    As far as who financed the communists, don’t you know that bankers and moneymen are total whores that will finance the devil if there was money in it for them? If you could show a money trail between New York bankers and Nazi German coffers in the 1930s would anyone be surprised? I sure as hell wouldn’t be.

  441. messianicdruid July 14, 2012 at 11:10 am #

    “As for thinking outside the box, sometimes things are just as they seem.”
    Nietzsche gave us a heads up [although nothing new}. Putting in words the delusion of mortem divinium he insisted on consideration of the consequences { as few others would}, warning that we would need to be lighting a lamp in the morning, wondering how to we were to find the horizon without the concepts of up and down, the growth of philosophy disguised as science, the unmitigated acceptance and foolish desire for the unknown. Self-automatons leaping off the board without knowing the depth of the drowning pool, or even if it contained liquid.
    Exceptionalism for the brilliant, beautiful or wealthy {arrogant?} who were encouraged to follow their own “inner law” was a terrible exemption unleashed on all; since the poor, ordinary and destitute would consequently suffer oppression at their hand.
    As Heidegger put the problem, “If God as the suprasensory ground and goal of all reality is dead, if the suprasensory world of the ideas has suffered the loss of its obligatory and above it its vitalizing and upbuilding power, then nothing more remains to which man can cling and by which he can orient himself.”
    We live with his failure to bring about a naturalistic source of value in the vital impulses of life, simply because of not having the capacity to see both the beginning and the end, even when cautioned to look for it.
    “I praise, I do not reproach, [nihilism’s] arrival. I believe it is one of the greatest crises, a moment of the deepest self-reflection of humanity. Whether man recovers from it, whether he becomes master of this crisis, is a question of his strength!”
    And where cometh strength?
    “Do you feel lucky, well, do you punk?”

  442. messianicdruid July 14, 2012 at 11:20 am #

    Dear Rhino, do not take the final question personally. It is meant generally.

  443. Widespreadpanic7 July 14, 2012 at 12:07 pm #

    You’re a sweetheart, Ibendet, and amongst the most interesting ‘posters’ in CFN.
    Which pretty much confirms my experience as an enlisted man in the Army and Navy in that my friends from NYC were the sharpest and the best people I knew.

  444. BeingThere July 14, 2012 at 1:47 pm #

    Just go in again and got your lovely message, Marlin.
    Now to get some swimming in—just sold a print!!

  445. asoka.. July 14, 2012 at 2:14 pm #

    One more reason to vote Green Party: both the president and vice-president are women.
    On Wednesday, Dr. Stein announced that anti-poverty advocate Cheri Honkala was her choice for the second-in-command spot.
    You can watch the Green Party Convention live on C-Span
    Is this the first time in USA history to have a woman running for both president and vice president positions on the same ticket?

  446. Vlad Krandz July 14, 2012 at 2:55 pm #

    So, um (imagine a drum roll and then heroic Cecil B DeMille movie music piping up) who or what are you for? The Bankers you despise ARE the ones who won the war – that they hid behind images of Mom, Apple Pie, the Commonwealth or the Queen changes nothing.
    Yet you are clearly taken in by the imagery. All that wholesomeness was gradually replaced by what we have now – and they have begun to change the population via mass immigration. Face it: the Allies were nothing but the Bankers, the Jews and their fellow Masonic travelers. Now these same call themselves globalists. They won the War – Europe and the White Race lost it. They used our Might, Courage, and Ingenuity to defeat their Enemies – who saw them for what they were. Humility is called for – by all of us. We fought our Brothers on behalf of our Enemies. Our Brothers who were fighting for Western Civilization. Do you really think Lindbergh or Joe McCarthy would have allowed millions of illegals to run rampant in America? Do you rally believe that Hitler would have turned Europe over to Islam?
    You didn’t answer before. What could you say after all – you’re just wrong and too stubborn to admit it.

  447. Vlad Krandz July 14, 2012 at 3:01 pm #

    Sam Francis called the Republicans “the stupid party”. Why? Because they should have realized that they were the White Party decades ago. Instead they continue to pander to Blacks and Hipanics – remember how they appointed what’s his name as Chairman when Obama was elected? See, we’re lead by a Black too! Despicable.
    They will never be able to pander as well as the Democrat/Socialists – and such pandering and benefits are what the minorities want. If they refuse to serve their natural base, then they will become increasingly irrelevant. And if Obama and Co amnesty anymore illegals, that day of ultimate irrelevance will be here sooner than many think.

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  449. Vlad Krandz July 14, 2012 at 3:15 pm #

    I thought we were all equal – so why is that even worth mentioning? Likewise Obama was supposed to be the post racial president but he has done nothing but polarize. And Black mob attacks have exploded since he took office. Is this the empowerment you seek?

  450. Zed Leppt In July 14, 2012 at 5:09 pm #

    Eyesore of the Month candidate (or Desagradables a la Vista del Mes)- a new bus transfer station in Santa Cruz, Spain that vaguely resembles the Borg mothership in Star Trek. So you’ve lost your job, been evicted from your foreclosed home, your BMW has been reposessed, and you’re only means of getting to the banco de alimentos is by city bus. Fret not amigo. A bankrupt economy can still lift the spirits of its citizens with grandiloquent civic structures, even if the building looks likes a hovering slab ready to crush all below. Marvel at the gravity defying mass overhead while savoring diesel fumes in the baking Iberian heat.

  451. Zed Leppt In July 14, 2012 at 5:51 pm #

    “I praise, I do not reproach, [nihilism’s] arrival…” “Do you feel lucky, well, do you punk?”
    Did you just shoot off 5 philosphical a prioris or 6? In all the metaphysical excitement there I kinda lost count. But, seeing how I’ve got a .44 caliber barrel of self reverential exuberance pointed straight at your nihilistic thread, that could blow your existential dogma clean off this blog, you gotta ask yourself just one question…

  452. San Jose Mom 51 July 14, 2012 at 7:10 pm #

    It looks like a deconstructed Imperial Star Cruiser, or maybe a symbol of violence. Certainly doesn’t look like it would manage well in an earthquake. Good find Zed!

  453. messianicdruid July 14, 2012 at 7:58 pm #

    Just a warning to beware of consequences, which Nietzsche seemed willing to do.

  454. asoka.. July 14, 2012 at 10:18 pm #

    I thought we were all equal – so why is that even worth mentioning?
    Vlad, we are not equal: women are superior. Do you know about the study by scientists at McGill University which showed that women have a built-in mechanism to protect themselves from infection? Estrogen naturally found in women’s bodies suppresses an enzyme that interferes with the defense system.
    Do you know that, proportionally, women are better educated and women earn more master’s degrees and doctoral degrees than men?
    Do you know that congressional women deliver more federal projects to their home districts and sponsor and co-sponsor more legislation than their male colleagues? Studies have also shown that women cooperate better than men.
    Since women are superior to men in so many ways, vote Green Party: it’s about time to have both a woman president and a woman vice- president.
    Men have had enough chances to lead the country and have just made a big mess of things.

  455. Vlad Krandz July 14, 2012 at 10:43 pm #

    Yes, Obama expressed great satisfaction that far more women are graduating from college now than men. And he wants to limit how many men can study the STEM subjects – some of the few meaningful majors left and a stronghold for men.
    So you, he, and Feminist Women are revealed as the partisan, misandrist hypocrites that you are.

  456. asoka.. July 15, 2012 at 1:19 am #

    noun 1. one who hates men.
    Vlad, you are making an illogical, irrational jump from “let’s give women a chance” to “misandrist hypocrite”
    I do not hate men. I simply recognize areas where women are superior to men and want women to have more of a role in governance. I think legislative bodies should be required to have 50% women, to represent the 50% of the population who are women.
    There is no hating going on. It’s just time for men to step aside, since men have made such a mess of the world in the last few hundred years of male governance. Poor things deserve a rest.

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  458. offred July 15, 2012 at 8:01 am #

    You’re mentioned in a Huffington Post article (though your name is misspelled):

  459. ozone July 15, 2012 at 8:23 am #

    Sounds kewl, M! Gimme a yell.
    I couldn’t think of a better place to be than in that stretch of ribber on a sweat-soaked Friday. Perfect!
    (My bad on clue-ing the evening’s performance. Wasn’t thinking ahead there. Hi to A-L.)

  460. BeingThere July 15, 2012 at 8:25 am #

    A Gift from a Flower to the Garden of Finzi-Continis revisted:
    At the moment I’m listening to Guns And Butter installment for this week. I feel vindicated in my sharing a discussion I had with a cop where some have questioned whether I actually had this encounter. JHK thought it sounded paranoid. Perhaps the cop I spoke to is frightened about where this is going.
    This installment is:”The Coup of 2012″ with Frank Morales. The 2012 National Defense Authorization Act; the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act; the 1971 Non-Detention Act; the Crisis of Democracy Report issued by the Trilateral Commission; US Army Field Manual 19-15 Civil Disturbance Operations; the 1992 Weapons Transfer Agreements.
    Morales is discussing the booming industry of non-lethal weapons which control angry crowds, they are going through the same Orwellian discussion about torture and how much pain they can incur against American citizens. The non-lethal weapons are precisely what I keep saying about guns. They render them useless and will destroy American dissent.
    Please listen to this it’s so important to understand how we have become a corporate-military state. Pentagon-Corporate partnership include Contracts with Rathion, Lockheed Martin.
    Behavioral modification through force–disabling people altogether and it can be done without a person’s knowing it’s happening to. (electro-magnetic pulse weaponry in low intensity conflict) Interupption of mental activity. It’s radio frequency that acts like electric shock therapy.
    This could also lead to cardiac arrest.

  461. ozone July 15, 2012 at 9:04 am #

    Thanks for the link, BT.
    (Good show to check in on from time to time; compelling content almost always.)

  462. ozone July 15, 2012 at 9:10 am #

    James Howard Knustler.
    As I remember, “knustler” is of Germanic origin and [loosely translated] means, “gatherer of nuts”.

  463. ozone July 15, 2012 at 9:45 am #

    An article I thought would be interesting to some. Others will howl that their ox is being gored, but I think the underlying criticisms are well-deserved and completely justified, historically.
    “Liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmer, liquidate real estate. It will purge the rottenness out of the system.”—Herbert Hoover’s treasury secretary Andrew Mellon
    Andrew Mellon, eh? Guess whose interests were served by his pronouncements and power?

  464. messianicdruid July 15, 2012 at 10:37 am #

    “This could also lead to cardiac arrest.”
    So, don’t hang out with angry crowds. I get it.

  465. messianicdruid July 15, 2012 at 10:43 am #

    “It’s just time for men to step aside, since men have made such a mess of the world in the last few hundred years of male governance.”
    Such tripe posing as conundrum. The problem is wickedness in high places, not men in high places. Wicked women might be worse. Fewer wicked women than wicked men? I wonder.

  466. Widespreadpanic7 July 15, 2012 at 10:51 am #

    Well OzP, you brought up Andrew Mellon and it got me thinking about the 30s.
    We need our own John Steinbeck or Woody Guthrie. Or are we too sophisticated for the likes of them in the present time?
    Woody had it right about the bankers, but he couldn’t get away with ‘I’m looking for a job with honest pay, Lord, I’m looking for a job with honest pay”. It would have to be updated to, “I’m looking for a Government Check, Lord, I’m looking for a Government Check” … that would be a hit.

  467. asoka.. July 15, 2012 at 11:05 am #

    Men have proven themselves wicked, not women.
    You seem to be saying an invisible being should control. Let’s give women a chance instead of anti-women gods. Read the Bible. Those gods have a record of wickedness.

  468. messianicdruid July 15, 2012 at 11:15 am #

    “You seem to be saying an invisible being should control.”
    You obviously want to start a fight.
    “Let’s give women a chance instead of anti-women gods.”
    Jesus did more for women than anyone before or since.
    “Those gods have a record of wickedness.”
    That is why the Creator God told us not to worship them.

  469. messianicdruid July 15, 2012 at 11:34 am #

    “Men have proven themselves wicked, not women.”
    I guess now you will defend H. Clinton’s actions.
    “Christopher Hayes of MSNBC and The Nation believes that the problem is inherent in the nature of meritocracies. In his book, “Twilight of the Elites,” he argues that meritocratic elites may rise on the basis of grades, effort and merit, but, to preserve their status, they become corrupt. They create wildly unequal societies, and then they rig things so that few can climb the ladders behind them. Meritocracy leads to oligarchy.”

  470. messianicdruid July 15, 2012 at 11:42 am #

    A thinks women are magic.
    “In his new book Too Much Magic, Jim attacks the wishful thinking dominant today that with a little more growth, a little more energy, a little more technology — a little more magic — we’ll somehow sail past our current tribulations without having to change our behavior.”

  471. asoka.. July 15, 2012 at 11:46 am #

    MD, read the Bible, the divinely inspired word of the Christian triune God.
    I’ll give you the verses.
    I Corinthians 11:3
    I Corinthians 11:8-9
    I Cor. 14:34-36
    I Timothy 2:8-15
    I Peter 3:1-7
    Ephesians 5:22-24
    Col. 3:18-19
    It’s not about what “JESUS” did … It’s about the harmful influence of people who proclaim Jesus to be God. The Bible’s decree of male supremacy has kept woman inferior to men for centuries. In Christianity a human must have a penis to receive any respect or power within the Church.
    Oh, and since Jesus is God according to the doctrine of Trinity, Jesus is responsible for all the Old Testament abominations against women also, including mass murder of women.
    “Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the savior of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.” (Ephesians 5:22-24)
    Many Christian men use the Bible to justify, their supremacy and their sexual abuse of women.

  472. Vlad Krandz July 15, 2012 at 12:13 pm #

    Yes, persecute men and see how quickly society collapses. Take care of men and they will take care of everyone else. Women wont – it’s just not in them to care about men.

  473. Vlad Krandz July 15, 2012 at 12:19 pm #

    Non lethal weapons make guns useless? Is that what you are saying? What does that mean?
    Perhaps you agree with that the United States should ban small arms as per the United Nations? To hell with the 2nd Ammendment?
    You are disappointed with Obama but still believe in all the things he supposedly stands for. That’s a big problem since there is no reality (and hence no virtue) in any of these ideas: multiculturalism, globalism, mass immigration, race mixing, Feminism, etc)

  474. asoka.. July 15, 2012 at 12:26 pm #

    Women have infinite tenderness.
    Women are the magic in the world,
    porque piensan con el corazón.
    Women have the magic in the world,
    por convertir en alegría todo su dolor.
    Women are the magic in the world,
    por guiarnos a la inspiración.
    Women have the magic in the world,
    por descubrirnos el camino del amor.

  475. Jam47 July 15, 2012 at 12:26 pm #

    I appreciate your measured and polite response to my criticism of your post. Don’t know how my own ego would fare if the roles were reversed.

  476. asoka.. July 15, 2012 at 12:38 pm #

    there is no reality (and hence no virtue) in any of these ideas: multiculturalism, globalism, mass immigration, race mixing, Feminism, etc)
    Those ideas ARE the reality of our world. You simply wish they were not. You are a dreamer, and that is fine. But you should not deny reality, Vlad.
    For example, you can try to deny feminism, but more than 50 countries have chosen a female head of state or government at some point in their history.
    Switzerland has had five female presidents, more than any other country. Switzerland doesn’t seem to be the worse for female leadership.
    It’s time for men to step aside and let feminine magic have a go. Men and their ruling heads have made a mess. It’s time to rule from the heart, not the head.

  477. asoka.. July 15, 2012 at 1:08 pm #

    Romney told federal authorities in Aug. 2011 financial disclosure documents that he had “retired from Bain Capital on February 11, 1999.”
    Romney was still listed as one of two managing members at a Bain Capital entity much later, including on a filing form from 2002, and that he attended board meetings, signed documents and received a six-figure salary. Strange behavior for someone who supposedly “retired.”
    Romney was not fully vetted and will not be the Republican candidate unless the convention decides for such a poorly vetted candidate.

  478. asoka.. July 15, 2012 at 1:40 pm #

    WSP7, I just ran across an interesting article —
    co-authored by none other than Johnny Depp — about the upcoming publication of Woody Guthrie’s long-languishing novel, “House of Earth.”
    Seems that Woody was as intrigued with adobe houses as are many of us, and for many of the same reasons. You may find this article interesting:

    Guthrie purchased a nickel pamphlet, “Adobe or Sun-Dried Brick for Farm Buildings,” from the United States Department of Agriculture. The manual instructed poor rural folk on building adobe homes from the cellar up. All an amateur needed was a home-brew of clay loam, straw and water. Guthrie promoted this U.S.D.A. guide with wild-eyed zeal. Adobes, he boasted, would endure the Dust Bowl better than wooden aboveground structures that were vulnerable to wind, snow, dust and termites. If sharecroppers and tenant farmers could only own a piece of land — even the uncultivable territory of arroyos and red rocks — they could build a “house of earth” that would protect them from dirt blowing in through cracks in the walls.

  479. Jam47 July 15, 2012 at 2:26 pm #

    Have I been caused to write this by the fact that today is a Christian holy day? Could be.
    Quoting the New Testament is a hit-or-miss business. It’s a hit-or-miss business because you can never be sure of your sources. The original New Testament books, the autographs, were of course written in Greek. Those of us who read and write English but who are innocent of New Testament Greek must rely on English translations. Such translations, Greek into English, can never give the true meaning of the autographs, for the two languages exist in different linguistic universes, almost. That’s the first problem.
    The second problem is that the translators sometimes changed words and sentences to suit their theological points of view, and this falsification went on for centuries.
    The third problem applies to the Gospels in particular, not so much or not at all to the Epistles. But the Gospels do count, don’t they?
    Christ died about 30 A.D. What he did and what he said was first put down on paper about thirty years later. The gap in between was filled by oral transmission, mouth to memory, mouth to memory. Imagine mistakes.
    The Christian whose belief is founded entirely on faith can sweep aside these objections by saying that whatever version of the New Testament falls to his hand will be the right one. Not everyone can avail themselves of this escape clause.

  480. asoka.. July 15, 2012 at 3:24 pm #

    The Club of Rome report forty years ago concluded that the basic behavior mode of the world system is exponential growth of population and capital followed by collapse.
    But they didn’t take into account the magic of technological developments that successfully lift some restraint to growth or avoid some collapse … allowing the system to simply grow to another limit.
    The authors of The Limits to Growth named five drivers of the world system, but they left out the most important one of all: people, and their ability to discover and innovate.
    I’ve been waiting forty years for collapse. Now the writing of people like Dmitri Orlov simply amuse me. How long before Orlov is seen to be as faulty as the Club of Rome report?

  481. Kyooshtik July 15, 2012 at 3:30 pm #

    I’ve been having a rough week over words and speech patterns, not a small part of which relates to Stinky’s use (and, to top it off, misspelling) of non-word “outpoints.” But that ground has been thoroughly plowed so let me move on to a topic long on my mind but never previously discussed. Perhaps you will have some input.
    Have you ever heard of a phenomenon of speech known as “vocal fry?” If not, google it.
    There is an expert in speech patterns by the name of Sims Wyeth who seems to know all about vocal fry. I just sent him this email:
    “Thank you God and thank you Mr Wyeth. Thank you, thank you, thank you…a thousand times, thank you. I thought it was just me. I thought I might be going insane. But the fact that you have noticed this phenomenon (vocal fry) in the speech of (primarily) women has saved me from embarking on psychiatric evaluation.
    I agree with your description of the phenomenon and its distastefulness. What on earth could possibly have caused it to evolve? Why should it be almost exclusively in the domain of women (and effeminate men, if I’m not violating political correctness to say so).
    Aside from your technical description of what is actually happening glottally in the throats of the utterers of vocal fry let me add that it is most virulent in the lengthening of the final word of sentences.
    The other night while watching Jeopardy during dinner (our nightly custom) I noted a 35ish year old female contestant who possessed not only a fantastic memory for trivia and great good looks but, perhaps, the worst case of vocal fry I have ever heard. I only pick on her because of the extremeness of her condition. The fact is, by my estimation, 95% of women/girls under age 50 are afflicted to one degree or another. I was sorely tempted to heave my water glass at the TV. If I had been Alex Trebek I would have smiled at this contestant and said “you’re pulling my leg, right?
    In the realm of speech patterns, accents, etc. there is only one thing that even comes close to vocal fry on the annoyance scale and that would be the voice — the over the top caricature, really, of a deeep south Jawjuh accent which could not possibly actually exist in the real world — of Paula Dean of cooking show fame. I simply cannot get to the mute button quick enough.
    Central NJ”

  482. asoka.. July 15, 2012 at 3:35 pm #

    Quoting the New Testament is a hit-or-miss business.
    Yes, it is. But my larger point is that Christians who believe the New Testament message can use it to justify male supremacy, sexual abuse of women, and outright murder.
    BTW, I’m not buying the distinction between “killing” and “murder” … the victims end up equally dead.
    “Thou shalt not kill” should mean no participation in war.
    “Love your enemies” should mean no participation in war.
    The Pentagon issued a report recently stating there were 19,000 sexual assaults among Active Duty personnel. The data shows that the military’s handling of sexual assaults is getting worse, much worse. Charges, courts-martial and convictions plummeted, but there is absolutely no indication that sex crimes decreased. And that is rape of USA soldiers by USA soldiers. I imagine they keep no statistics on rape of “enemies” in theatres of war.
    Our Christian soldiers march on, and our Christian soldiers participate in rape and murder. Do not thank them for their “service.”

  483. messianicdruid July 15, 2012 at 3:40 pm #

    “The Bible’s decree of male supremacy has kept woman inferior to men for centuries.”
    None of the verses you cited say anything about
    “In Christianity a human must have a penis to receive any respect or power within the Church.”
    If anyone is seeking “respect and power” they don’t need to be looking for it in the church.
    Maybe you just need to read a little further: “What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant…Let all things be done decently and in order.”
    Have you subjected yourself to the “higher powers”. If not, it hardly seems appropriate for you to be teaching against subjection, which you seem to misrepresent as lack of “superiority”.

  484. Vlad Krandz July 15, 2012 at 3:42 pm #

    You are sexist – against your own sex. It’s analogous to the countless Whites who are racist -against their own race. Very weird.
    When it comes to Race, you are a typical Black Racist who hates Whites. Normal in other words.
    I imagine that you mitigate the first by combining it with the second at least to some degree. So it becomes mostly just about White Men and not men per se. Am I wrong or do you also condemn Black Men?

  485. asoka.. July 15, 2012 at 3:46 pm #

    Q, vocal fry is a physical condition caused by a nodule (a mass of tissue) that grows on the vocal folds as a result of stress. The straining the voice in any way can cause the vocal cords to rub up against each other almost like sandpaper, and it creates a callus like you get on your hands from lifting weights.
    Vocal nodules can have different stages. The nodule starts off in a soft state. If left unattended, it can get larger and become what’s called a hard polyp, at which stage you would have to have surgery.
    Vocal fry happens when the voice drops down and gets a crackling sound as the cords rub against each other.
    None of this is relevant to CFN because you are not hearing the posts on CFN.

  486. Vlad Krandz July 15, 2012 at 3:47 pm #

    Meher Baba disagreed and said that men who fight in wars are in a much higher state than men who kill for their own selfish reasons. Or if a man kills defending his wife and children against assailants, it too is a very differen thing.
    You have to look at the motive. Or would you ban knives and thus also ban scapels?

  487. messianicdruid July 15, 2012 at 3:48 pm #

    “But my larger point is that Christians who believe the New Testament message can use it to justify male supremacy, sexual abuse of women, and outright murder.”
    If people are so inclined they could use CFN for the same purpose.

  488. asoka.. July 15, 2012 at 3:49 pm #

    Am I wrong or do you also condemn Black Men?
    Vlad, you should know by now that I oppose violence against others in any form … regardless of age, sex, or race of the perpetrator.

  489. asoka.. July 15, 2012 at 3:52 pm #

    Where and when has CFN claimed to the the way, the life and the truth, and that no one gets to the Father except through CFN? Stop the nonsense, MD.
    CFN is not in the drawers of hotel rooms around the world. CFN does not have one billion adherents. CFN is not preached by millions from pulpits the world around.

  490. asoka.. July 15, 2012 at 4:01 pm #

    There are no just wars. All justifications for killing are just excuses.
    We’ve had 5,000 wars these past 3,000 years and the evidence says that violence is not the way to achieve a peaceful world.
    People like Cheney and Romney seem to understand the futility of war when it comes to their own personal involvement. They sought draft deferments and “had other priorities.”

  491. Vlad Krandz July 15, 2012 at 4:03 pm #

    I’ve noticed it without knowing anyone else had. I’ve always assumed it is a form of self consciousness – trying to sound sexy or interesting. Of course it will be mirrored by other women as something normal now. And even in the originators, it was mostly unconscious.
    I agree with the poster who said it sounded vaguely valley girl.
    Asoka tries to be the authority again with an explanation that is clearly wrong since this is new and thus can’t be a purely physical condition.

  492. Vlad Krandz July 15, 2012 at 4:05 pm #

    They are corrupt and unworthy to lead us. You think you are superior to Meher Baba? To Lord Meher?
    You have to judge by the motive you dim fuck. If someone dies trying to save another, is that the same as suicide since they put themselves in dire danger?

  493. Vlad Krandz July 15, 2012 at 4:08 pm #

    On that note: as America curdles in corruption, we have fewer and fewer politicians with any real military background – even as as our militiarism increases. Something is very off here.

  494. asoka.. July 15, 2012 at 4:12 pm #

    You have to judge by the motive you dim fuck. If someone dies trying to save another, is that the same as suicide since they put themselves in dire danger?
    My criteria is not to judge motive.
    Trying to save another is fine as long as it is done in a nonviolent fashion, like throwing yourself on a grenade. But taking the life of another is not justifiable.
    I differ with Meher Baba on the question of war. Lord Meher agrees with me on many other points.

  495. asoka.. July 15, 2012 at 4:20 pm #

    Perhaps we should listen to those leaders who had military experience:
    Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms in not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.
    — President Dwight D. Eisenhower, April 16, 1953

  496. messianicdruid July 15, 2012 at 4:30 pm #

    “Where and when has CFN claimed…CFN is not… CFN does not… CFN is not…”
    Asoka come baaaack, come baaaaaaack…
    I didn’t say any of these things. I said people with a need to justify their behaviour can use anything to do so. You are a perfect example.
    Now back to the subject at hand, before you take us off on a rabbit chase.
    “Maybe you just need to read a little further: “What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant…Let all things be done decently and in order.”
    Have you subjected yourself to the “higher powers”. If not, it hardly seems appropriate for you to be teaching against subjection, which you seem to misrepresent as lack of “superiority”.”

  497. asoka.. July 15, 2012 at 4:33 pm #

    Vlad, vocal fry is not “new” … Tibetan monks have been doing it for millenia. And voice professionals can learn it, as an article in the Wall Street Journal of June 18, 1984 on Joan La Barbara states. (1984 is not new).
    Joan La Barbara taught experimental vocal workshops for professionals and novices. Participants are taught exercises that relax the neck and shoulders or stretch the tongue. Next, Joan La Barbara demonstrated devices such as the vocal fry, a low, coarse clicking that facilitates multiphonics production. According to Miss La Barbara, about 75% of her students are able to learn the techniques.
    “All children experiment with their voices,” she declares, “but they learn to civilize those sounds away. Most of what we call extended vocal techniques is simply rediscovering the freedom of the vo:ce.”
    When the vocal fry is not a physical condition resulting from dysphonia:

  498. Kyooshtik July 15, 2012 at 4:33 pm #

    Now, here is another word issue that popped up this weekend and literally caused me to lose sleep.
    I was watching the Friday Night Fights hosted by Teddy Atlas and another dude whose name escapes me. Keep in mind, these guys are “professional” announcers. They get PAID to talk to large numbers of people.
    Teddy Atlas, of course, is a well known figure in boxing circles whom most will forgive for the constant use of double negatives such as “he don’t know nothin'” (causing me to scream “anything” at the TV) because to hear him speak and to notice his facial scars not to mention, slightly off-kilter eye focus, tells you immediately that he has taken one too many shots to the head. But I am concerned about his sidekick whose name escapes me.
    The featured bout held Friday night in Chicago was between Glen Johnson, a 43 year old former world champion and an up-and-coming 24 year old. The young guy recently immigrated from Poland and was now training and fighting out of Chicago. Apparently Chicago has a large population of Poles so there was lopsided support for the young kid. His opponent, the old guy, was black and I suspect, realistically, was there for the payday despite his own long and storied career. But all that is just preamble.
    While talking about the crowd who had come out to cheer on their favorite son, Andrzej Fonfara, the sidekick announcer says not once but twice “Fonfara has a large Polish contingency supporting him tonight.”
    Maybe, with luck, as the stock market gets rolling again tomorrow it’ll help me get this word out of my mind.

  499. asoka.. July 15, 2012 at 4:41 pm #

    it hardly seems appropriate for you to be teaching against subjection, which you seem to misrepresent as lack of “superiority”.”
    So, MD, are you saying women do not lack superiority, that women are superior, but they need to be subservient to men as the Bible says? Does that make sense?

  500. messianicdruid July 15, 2012 at 5:36 pm #

    “…but they need to be subservient to men as the Bible says?”
    You are doing it again. “In subjection to” does not mean “subservient”.
    “Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all [of you] be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.”
    Why not object to the younger being in subjection to the older? Why not object to ALL being subject to one another?

  501. Vlad Krandz July 15, 2012 at 5:41 pm #

    Lord Meher agrees with you? Why you arrogant cur. Where is runt when you need him?
    There is no death. Read the Bhagavad Gita: Krishna excoriates Arjuna for just this kind of sentimentality. Pacifism or “I am the body” is a perversion of the Truth that some kinds of mind fall into.
    God is killing all people – does that make him less than Holy? If you do no surrender consciously to God with love during life, you will do so involuntarily and with terror when He comes as Death.
    Man is called to be both god like and Godly. Thus the question is not one of killing or not killing, but rather killing the right people at the right time for the right reason: criminals, traitors, enemies, etc.

  502. xhalor July 15, 2012 at 5:56 pm #

    I used to think that Data Processing was the last refuge of a scoundrel. I was mistaken. All you have to do is come to this blog on a Sunday to see that Religion truly is the Last Refuge of a Scoundrel. ‘Scuse me while I puke.

  503. Kyooshtik July 15, 2012 at 6:08 pm #

    I just spent some time reading more about “vocal fry” aka creaky voice. I had no idea that this had become an area of study to the degree that it has.
    I clicked on one link at random where a women who works as a TV sports journalist is being interviewed and this filmed interview is held up as a perfect example of someone who has unwittingly absorbed “creaky voice” as a habitual manner of speech. Then, others view this interview and comment on it. Here is what one man had to say:
    It’s hard to imagine anyone thinking Lindsay’s voice is an asset. It sounds like she’s sitting in a motorized lounger. Her creak is far from the worst example. Women afflicted with the Creaky Voice sound tentative and immature, while others sound unbearably harsh and grating. Lots of people must find it pleasing. Otherwise, the creak wouldn’t be so popular.
    The Creaky Voice could be the new standard. Maybe I’m just out of step. I find the voice so odd that it makes me wonder what’s going on. Does it signal a retreat from feminism? A transition to a New Feminism? Why are women abandoning a clear, authoritative voice for a quavering rattle?

    I have 3 kids, two boys and a girl, all in their 30’s. My daughter speaks in creaky voice and the boys don’t. When I mention it to my daughter she acts like I’m crazy and she gets pissed off.
    To my ear young women who do NOT speak creaky voice are becoming a real rarity and when you hear them they come across as smarter, more confident and more mature.
    If there are any females out there in CFN who have noticed the existence of, and give shaktipat about, vocal fry (creaky voice) I’d be interested in hearing your views.

  504. asoka.. July 15, 2012 at 6:09 pm #

    killing the right people at the right time for the right reason
    And who decides who is the “right” one to be killed?

  505. asoka.. July 15, 2012 at 6:16 pm #

    I’m sorry MD. I am not smart enough to know the difference between subjection and subservience.

    Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home. (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

    The Bible makes it pretty clear that woman is inferior to man and should keep quiet and stay dumb.

  506. San Jose Mom 51 July 15, 2012 at 6:33 pm #

    Oh poor Vlad! Such a victim. You seem to think all woman have a narcissistic personality disorder. Look at your shadow Vlad! Women sense men who have the potential of being too controlling. Your plans to slap a woman around “in love” cannot be hidden. Some women, who have been abused by their fathers tend to seek men who are controlling/abusive.
    My dad told me, the first time a guy hits you is the last time he hits you. My dad never hit anyone, and I have never been slapped or hit, nor have I hit anyone. You live in a different meme than I do.

  507. asoka.. July 15, 2012 at 6:48 pm #

    ‘Scuse me while I puke.
    Be careful about puking with an acidic stomach content. The burning of the vocal chords could induce an involuntary case of vocal fry.

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    Romney says he retired in 1999, but retired persons do not have the authority over real property or authority to fire people, outsource jobs, and move factories to China.
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