JHK’s Three-Act Play
History, that coy dominatrix, loves to trick the credulous human race. In a moment when something we call “democracy” seems to be spreading through the dodgy precincts of the world like a contagion of virtue, the trend is actually going the other way in countries that have practiced it for a while.
That is certainly the case in Europe, especially Greece right now, where the mobs in Syntagma Square denounce their waffling parliament for agreeing to a bailout deal that will make Greece a step-child of Germany. The German voters are none too pleased with this, either, since their country is now on the hook to pay Greece’s bills. Ireland, Portugal, and Belgium are standing by for adoption next in Europe’s Home for Wayward Children. Spain and Italy may need to become wards of the Euro-state, too, but they are more like adults with drinking problems who are liable to wreck the whole household if invited in.
Anyway, the Greeks rallying in Athens’ central square lately are sick of politicians and parliaments, and there is a no small danger that they will soon rise up and dispense with theirs in the dumpster behind the Parthenon. A man in a uniform has a certain appeal in a situation like this. He is comfortable issuing orders in unfavorable situations, in fact, rather thrives on it. The Germans know all about this. Their “savior” back in the 20th century was a fellow in an ersatz military getup who virtually ran for office by denouncing “parliamentarism” and by the time his party occupied a fair portion of the seats in theirs, he burned the darn thing to the ground.
The Irish gaze longingly at little Iceland, out there in the North Atlantic now free of debt obligations from the simple act of raising the middle finger in the direction of the London banks. Ireland is sore tempted to do likewise, and the act would have an appealing historical symmetry to it. They may toss out their parliament to get to it. Staying sober is another matter. In Portugal, they are too busy having lunch, which is a very serious affair, they will assure you, and undertaken in spirit of absolute Iberian fatalism (that beefsteak died for you!). Oh, for the days of Salazar when lunch was decreed eighteen hours a day! Belgium, of course, will always be hopeless – Europe’s doormat. And what can you say about a people who slather mayonnaise on their French fries – apart from their amazing failure to discover the miracle of ketchup, despite being overrun by American GIs sixty-odd years ago – and speaking a language that nobody has ever written rock and roll song in.
Europe is held together with baling twine, masking tape, and spit. It’s been a fun half-century catering to harmless clownish tourists from Houston, with their “big boss” belt buckles and decoupaged wives. But lately the Chinese visitors look more like bargain-hunters at the preview of an estate auction, sizing up the merchandise, and even the waiters in the cafes know the score. The Grand Palace of Euroland is closing for business. Anybody who thinks that Germany is going to run some kind of halfway house for crackhead countries “in recovery” will be disappointed. The compressive contraction that grips the OECD like economic Lou Gehrig disease will be with us as far ahead as anyone can see.
For sure, there are features of European life that dispose many of its countries to face the long emergency on much better terms than the train wreck across the Atlantic. They know how to get by on much less oil – though the coming energy crisis will still be hard on them. They have excellent public transit already in place (yes, it depends on the energy situation). Their agriculture is scaled much more intelligently. Their cities, too, with some exceptions. But they have a long history of brawling amongst themselves and the recent half-century of peace and prosperity is already taking on the shimmer of a fading mirage. Europe is burning down financially from the outside in while the monster that was known as the global economy lies gasping on the rocky shore of Fukushima. The Euro and the weak political union that went with it, is toast. You can include the outsider England in all that, since their practical circumstances are no better than Spain’s or Italy’s – perhaps a little worse, even… poor tattered Old Blighty!
By the way, I hope you don’t think the homefolks here in the USA are all that deliriously happy with representative government either. These days, despite all Sarah Palin’s bluster about “freedom” and “our heritage,” elected officials are held in about equal esteem to herpes viruses. Congress and the senate are paralyzed by triviality and the President is too busy golfing to disturb the status quo – which is the status quo of a house on fire. We won’t have to wait much longer to find out how unexceptional America actually is.
It’s a darn shame, and I mean that literally, because this is exactly what the American public is so ashamed of, and why appeals to the repressed sense of shame based on hyper-patriotic bluster, are so successful. It allows folks to feel great about themselves while they sink into the ooze. It’s okay, we’re special. I stopped at a convenience store at the edge of the Adirondack Mountains on Saturday afternoon and a more frightening gaggle of disfigured mutts I have never seen before. Has everybody in upstate New York only just been released from prison? The tattoo craze is especially telling. It’s one thing to get some tattoos with the idea that you are artfully expressing something. It’s another thing to deploy them around your body parts as though you were slapping decals on a 1989 beater car. These mutts had tattoos on their necks, their boobs, the sides of their heads, their knuckles, their ankles. The idea, apparently, is to make yourself appear as frightening as possible – and I can tell you it is a very successful initiative. Can lady Gaga please write us a new national anthem: America the horror movie.
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James – I guess Obama is smokin’ some good reefer these days now that the War on Drugs has been declared an international bust. The man himself was in Ohio this week telling folks about the rebirth of the American auto industry. He must think we are all fools. Is that what we need now (as if it were really true), a renewed auto industry? We just keep wanting to believe in the Dream and whatever our professional tinkerers tell us they can make. Enjoy this week’s offering. BTW, next week I will be enroute from Siberia to NYC so I won’t be able to post early. But you can always stop by the main gate for my next update.
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Good Morning Everyone – Monday mornings would just not be the same without our weekly wake up call from Jimmy. Mismanaging contraction is my mantra these days. Out with the old and in with the new. But there is so little vision out there about how the new could be essentially better than the old as long as we can unplug from our tecno-fantasy and reconnect with one another. Recreating community is our only real salvation but we are being kept so busy fighting over the crumbs of the fading culture that we rarely have or make the time to implement the local, low-energy and revitalizing option which seem to be just buried beneath the surface. Let get out the shovels and dig a little. And while we are at it through some seeds and a bit of compost into he holes and see what comes up.
I think most people just don’t care any more. Even Fox is using pictures of Tina Fey instead of Palin – and she works for Fox.
http://i.imgur.com/VkoYl.jpg
Likewise, the banksters are just going through the motions and they don’t care. The Greek riots show that *some* people care, just the ones that don’t matter.
It’s too late to fix America. We just keep sinking ever further into a morass of triviality and ignorance.
Riding Electric Bikes, Installing Solar Panels, and Dreaming of Surfing here.
Been teaching everyone to plant gardens even though I don’t know how. You should see some of the gardens our customers have. When does a gardener become a farmer?
And as for Tattoos, yes so many people are so gross. However, if you Tat your whole body right it can sorta look cool, and scary…
Cheers Clusterfuckers.
Enjoy the ride.
Hey, Kim Fahey here. Remember,the big tree house? Anyhow, go to court in three hours to see what the jury has to say about it. They’ve had the case since Friday. Did all your knee bracing ideas before they shut me down a year ago…Your so right about the tattoos. Even all the Sheriffs and Firemen have them. Some, quite tastefull! Yeah, right….Still read your column every Monday. Since I might be gone for SEVEN YEARS, try and catch up on ’em when I return. Hope all is well, keep putting out the truth my friend..Check out, ‘Save Phonehenge West’, on the Facebook deal. People have posted cool photo’s…
James, “Congress and the Senate” are the same thing. Go a little slower. 🙂
“American Exceptionalism” was simply what happened when English colonists were the first to develop and exploit resources that Native Americans hadn’t yet touched. I’ll leave out any moral discussion, but the point is, subsequent generations were just like the children of rich parents who didn’t do enough to raise their kids to be responsible. Any legacy has been squandered and America is about to be sent to the poorhouse, and the trip will be very rough.
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The man himself was in Ohio this week telling folks about the rebirth of the American auto industry.
The one mention I heard of it on Detroit’s all-news radio station was during a traffic report about “a motorcade in Toledo.” The station never mentioned that it was the President’s, even though I’d read about it the day before.
Is that what we need now (as if it were really true), a renewed auto industry?
I live in Detroit, so I have a bias, but it was a smart move for him politically over the short-term. There will still be an auto industry next year, which means there will be people that will be grateful and vote for him because of it. What 2016 will bring will be someone else’s problem.
Speaking of Detroit, the place is figuring out what to do next and how to thrive in the middle of being the largest municipality aware that it is managing contraction (Chicago has been contracting over the past few decades and has 25% fewer people than at its peak, but it doesn’t seem to have any awareness that it’s been managing contraction). Last week, I posted about how growing food is becoming central to the future and identity of Detroit. This week, I found that art and culture might fill the number two spot in the future identity of Detroit. The resulting spectacle has attracted the attention of the adventurous in New York and London. I documented the reaction in Detroit as a travel destination? The New York Times, BBC, and Financial Times think so. Yes, Detroit, Ground Zero of the post-industrial future, is now a place for the cutting-edge tourist who wants to see art, agriculture, and grand ruins, exactly what one would expect in “A World Made by Hand.”
Of course, not all the news here is upbeat. For starters, The well-off neighborhoods are hiring paramilitary patrols to keep themselves safe, but that’s a topic for next time.
we dumbed down the whole society along with its norms of behavior to make people more “equal”. whose idea was that.
Well, JHK
I think it’s pretty obvious that something is operating this runaway train, a system of little disasters and collapses around the world__and it isn’t the people who elect their representatives. Something else is afoot and it’s become more evident with each passing day.
It’s all about the global seamless banking system which has already received $Trillions of US tax-payer dollars and will continue to receive more with each passing bubble and demise.
It’s the system you see and Obama has little to say about it. It’s all part of the WTO and IMF scheme at this point.
The US will be the same as everybody else, no better and worse–only because we didn’t plan for peak oil (as you point out).
If you follow Max Keiser, you will have noticed that the economist Michael Hudson has been advising countries like Iceland to just say no to the banksters who set them up for neo-feudalism, otherwise known as debt peopnage. We will all be there sooner or later, because that’s the global system we set-up.
There is a calculous of change and I’m afraid even our CEOs and oligarchy may be in for a big surprise. It will be interesting to see what happens if China decides to nationalize companies when we default on our T-bills.
Let’s see what the Tea-party folks who run Republican policy do about the debt ceiling…and as I said yesterday on this blog whether Obmama will blink first.
He could go down as the Democrat who smashed Roosevelt for good….
Hear! Hear! Kunstler about Europe, unhindered by rancor, unflustered by facts.
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Let’s see, what’s the last country to tell the bankers to go to hell and rebuild their shattered economy into a powerhouse?
Oh yeah, it was Nazi Germany. Their finance director
got hanged for it. Our finance directors get billion dollar bonuses for destroying our economy.
You can’t have it both ways.
Nazism and the German economic miracle
“From the Third Reich to the current regime of Gerhard Schroeder, Germany has shown remarkable ability to achieve economic prominence in the face of overwhelming odds – including those it imposed on itself through ultra-nationalism, militarism and racism”.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/GE24Dj01.html
Neon Vincent – Of course, Chicago has been in the community vegetable garden business for quite some time, as I recall. I was in Hyde Park in ’76 and the gardens were all around.
Kunstler on Hitler and the Reichstag (German parliament and building housing it):
“…he burned the darn thing to the ground.”
A wild exaggeration and allegation. The building did not suffer structural damage during the fire for which a supposedly communist or socialist arsonist was arrested, convicted and executed. The Nazis managed to exploit the event to their advantage, which led to unproven suspicions that they themselves were the arsonists. [Allied bombing during WWII did cause structural damage on the building; it stood in ruins until after German re-unification. Restored and adorned with a modern cupola, it now serves as parliament building for the lower house of the parliament of the Federal Republic of Germany.
I am starting a petition to create a national neck tattoo registry. If you are dumb and scary enough to get your head or neck tattooed, then you ought to be required to have an RFID chip implanted in your body so the rest of us can run like hell when you come around.
Aimlow Joe was here
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Pssstttt….
Here’s some hot investment advice.
Tattoo removal. Just think of a franchise in every strip mall?
The whole TAT thang is starting to sound a little grumpy, but is reflective of an underlying despair, IMHO. We let our hair grow and the punkers spiked it, goths in black and everyone is pierced. But the TATS are on one level heartbreaking, so many seem drifting and disconnected with anger. Do they see themselves as ” Mutts”? SOLAR GUY, check out our Fb page at SPRING BAY FARM to see if we qualify, this for a little love and light.. All best cfners, Noel.
The closer we get to the universal economic reset button the more shrill the voices become advising us both how good things are, as well as the contrarians who advise us how bad they are. Europe is in terrible shape and the best our leaders can offer is to hold out one days longer than the European Central Bank. We do that we are saved, they say.
On the subject of corn pone fascism it is as well to remember that Germany’s “Jewish Problem” pre-dated Nazism by several centuries. Wagner, the most notorious anti-Semite died long before Nazism appeared. The Final Solution was the solution chosen by the Nazis for a problem that had “plagued” Germany for years prior to 1942. We tend to view the Holocaust as a solution to a problem created by the Nazis. They were just ridingba national bandwagon whichnis why Germans never did ride up.
How that relatesnto home grown mutters in 20th century America I’m not sure, but writing as an immigrant I am nervous.
Yeah, the sky really is falling… but… The masses have no inkling of what is happening. The great majority of people are like deer standing on the tracks of the fast approaching peak oil train. Whoo! Whoo! But they can’t hear the warning whistle. And they don’t see the headlights either. So it’s hopeless. I would say Chris Hedges might be right in his Zero Point of Systemic Collapse.
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Funny how Obama came to Toledo last week to visit the Jeep plant and do his campaign cheerleading only a week after the mayor of Toledo got back from China trying to sell the marina district to Chinese investors. You can’t make this shit up!
Good column this week.
I don’t see the tat thing the same way you do, it’s probably not that much different than sporting long hair in 1971 (if you were a male) or an earring in 1981 (likewise).
Could you get two basic errors in your reporting corrected? Belgians, in the main, speak two languages: Flemish and French. I assume you refer to Flemish when you make the hyperbolic statement that Belgians speak “a language that nobody has ever written rock and roll song in,” which is a cute aside, but ignores the fact that 38% of Belgians speak French as a first language, and French is most certainly a language in which rock songs have been written. (“Ça Plane Pour Moi,” by Belgian musician Plastic Bertrand comes to mind.)
Also, even though this error is so common in the US that correcting it is truly futile, I still want to say that England does not equal Britain or the UK. England is one country within the UK. Why we Americans don’t just use the one-word term Britain (which is the term that English-speakers throughout the world use) instead of the inaccurate one-word term England to describe, well, Britain, is beyond my comprehension.
I know you make lots of grand, sweeping, and hyperbolic statements, but if you’re basic stuff is not rooted in accuracy, you lose your credibility, in my opinion.
Three years ago I cashed in and checked out to a European country (non Euro-zone). Best move I ever made. I no longer own a car simply because the beautiful city I live in has awesome public transportation. And train service to anywhere I would want to go.
The other day I was waiting for a tram that obviously wasn’t coming (it happens occasionally, car accidents, break downs, and the like). Being a less than patient person I just started walking, but I’ve noticed in the past that some people will stand there and wait all day. This struck me as a fitting analogy of America, a bunch of people waiting for a tram that isn’t coming. “Oh, but the government promised it is coming, and it has always come in the past, and it couldn’t possibly not come this time, we will just stay in place and believe – and wait”.
By the way, I can always spot Americans amongst the many tourists even before I hear them. They are by far the largest, and the loudest.
I’ll end with this link that says it all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j6tJ6VG9AM
Lovely Jimmy boy. Talking about a German history of which you are quite confused. The burning of the building and the takeover and all that stuff which becomes american legend. And when you look at the americans who put ketchup on their fries it makes you want to cry or die. Except most are so fat they will die first. And somehow you think you can give the Europeans any lesson in economics? If you’ve ever been in a French or Germany factory or even analyzed some of there statistics you might note that they are significantly more productive on an hourly basis than americans are. No wonder they can sit in cafes, sipping Pernod, and enjoying the day. Yes problems abound, but no need to even cross the NY state line to find tons.
Just try to remember that as frustrating and depressing as the USA can be, there is incredibly worse out there.
Man, what have you got against tattoos? Fashion is fashion; no fashion is intrinsically more decadent except for from the perspective of a narrow-minded reactionary.
Nice week’s work for us, JHK!
Well, the Germans are (again!) becoming the dominant economic force in Europe. One does wonder what sorts of Global Elite planning and twists of historical fate might propel them into military/cultural dominance of Europe, once again.
Meanwhile, the Chinese seem to have perfected their lessons concerning American-Style Free Market Capitalism, but with an nice overlay of dictatorship. If the wheels stay on the clown car long enough, it appears that the Germans will eventually acquire all the marbles in Europe. The Chinese will accumulate all the remaining useful marbles from around the World – including many that now belong to the US of A.
What keeps the wheels attached to the clown car?
Relatively stable global climate
Sea levels that stay where they “belong”
US military hegemony
Create your own list
Good Luck
it is worse out there than here. i was in guatemala 3 weeks ago. the conditions there make the small run down american towns,that jhk deplores, look like heaven. there is no solution other than population control. letting as many as want to move here will only bring those same conditions here. for at least 30 years a sizable majority of americans have wanted to curtail immigration but the ptb have said no. everyone on this blog generally think that americans are stupid, but maybe it is our leader who are stupid.
wally world has a special on huggies – a free tat with every 3rd box purchased
James I have said this before and it is worth repeating:
History seeks to explain the rise and fall of empires and nations, memorializing those notable personalities and dramatic events that collectively comprise the delicate fabric of its carefully crafted narratives. America, in large measure, stands as benefactor and apotheosis in this arduous historical legacy. But the whole story – from its stunning beginnings in the ancient Near East nearly six-thousand years ago to our post-millennial American hegemony – the entire edifice rests upon a small cluster of hypotheses about the world and how it works; about the logic of scientific inquiry and historical narrative, about the nature of language and social discourse itself. These assumptions continue to shoulder our commonsense understanding of life in civil society today, including our own personal histories, while thwarting any recollection of what was lost with the emergence of history and the story of civilization.
The overarching vision, with its underlying assumptions and expectations, has peaked and crystalized itself in the now-taken-for-granted concept of ‘American exceptionalism’, our self-proclaimed political, economic, and moral superiority, and the apparent hegemony of our cultural values. It is these expectations and values that have been spread across the globe like wildfire, as we have pursued a policy of global dominance and cultural transformation or occupation. Some groups, nation-states and countries find these values desireable, others abhorrent. Some try to mold themselves to the vision enunciated by such expectations, while others arm themselves to the teeth to fight-off its insidious occupiers.
Having planted our flag at the forefront of western civilization and declared our own ‘manifest destiny,’ we Americans continue to believe that we have set the right example for mankind to follow, and that we are justified leading the rest of the human race to fulfill its proper role in our civilization. We set ourselves up long ago as protectors of moral virtue, cultural innovation, political power, economic progress, and human rights. And much of the western world has followed our lead in this myopic belief, unchallenged until very recently.
http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/tinkerers-on-the-scaffolding-and-the-recovery-of-ecstasy/
To laughingasromewasburningdown,
Tattoos are essentially permanent. You can always get a haircut or remove an earring. I have to side with JHK here.
To JHK,
I just read both A World Made by Hand and The Witch of Hebron and enjoyed them both. I read Witch in one sitting. I don’t always agree with your column, but I appreciate your skill with the language.
The other day, as I waited for the streetcar en route to work, I saw a policeman cycle by, handlebars in one hand, cell phone in the other. He was texting. Giant tattoo exposed on his right calf. A few minutes later, on board the streetcar, I saw the same cop writing someone a parking ticket. I know, who cares, but somehow my heart sank.
Mark Mobius has been saying that another financial crisis is inevitable because nothing has changed since the last one. The total “value” of over the counter financial derivatives is ten times global GDP according to him.
IMO the majority of these derivatives have as much underlying economic reality as if you place a bet with your local bookie (Louie the Louse). Should the govt bail out Louie because he has to make good?
Why should it be legal for you to buy insurance against a bond default if you don’t even own the bond ie a credit default swap?
Govts have taken extraordinary measures to sustain the unsustainable to paraphrase Mr K. But I have a half baked idea. Why not take a really extra-ordinary measure like making a law, even an ex post facto law, legally invalidating derivatives contracts that caused so much trouble?
So companies like Goldmans will no longer be able to speculate in derivatives. If Goldmans has a bazillion in derivatives contracts on its balance sheet and other financial institutions are the counter-parties to Goldman’s bets these bets will disappear off their respective balance sheets.
Not all derivatives contracts will be illegal. If you are in a business where you need to buy oil in the future and you need to make a futures contract to nail down the price you can still do this in my scheme. But if all you are doing is speculating and you have no intention of either taking delivery of oil or delivering oil then such a contract will become illegal.
So if there is no underlying economic reality to a derivative contract and if you are just a smarty pants Wall Streeter in the business of speculating then forget it. You will have to find an honest way to make a living. Become a drug dealer. At least you are making something and selling something real.
@lil’lulu Your data is long out of date and from a second hand source. Have a look at this data and see what you make of it. http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=LEVEL. You may revise your view about how productive some countries (nay socialist countries) can be.
I thought the number was more like a billion in dire poverty.
They talk about the end of Europe and the end of the euro.
But, believe me, Europeans have never been so much alike.
When you touch the bottom you find out there are many just like you.
What would Europe need to be more stable?
Say good bye to Germany.
Let the Germans go back to their mark and let ALL the others stay with their Euro.
Everybody will be happy, including the Germans.
And no fear at all about the euro collapsing, as usual, Americans will come first.
“It’s one thing to get some tattoos with the idea that you are artfully expressing something. It’s another thing to deploy them around your body parts as though you were slapping decals on a 1989 beater car.”
Jim – I sure hope that when you travel you go incognito. Maybe wrap-around sunglasses and a fedora. If one of these “mutts” ever recognizes you, it’ll be all over.
Capitalism per se is the Sow that eats its own young. Capitalism must be guided by Goverment for the good of the People as is done in Japan and Germany. And that’s what they don’t want us to know – that it can work as witnessed in the economic miracle of Nazi Germany where the People told the International Bankers to get out.
That video was the best! JHK should watch it.
And her prayers were instantly answered!
I’m not an atheist anymore, after watching God respond to that woman’s pleas so quickly.
So, a distant relative is rebuilding a 69 Chevy Camaro in his garage, real ‘American Iron’, from a time, far back, when fuel was cheap and cars were fast. He listed his cars attributes: Jimmy small block engine, Holley carbs, dual exhaust, slicks, 4 on the floor tranny, supercharger, beefed up clutch, motor pushing 350 horses, a special candy paint job with a racing stripe. Yes, this dude has tatts, not too many, ‘Chevy’ on right forearm, ‘Camaro’ on right forearm, tastefully done. Talk about American Exceptionalism! Its really an impressive project, consuming not little time and capital. Hey, who gives a shit about arcane financial events in Europe, anyway? I asked him, Joe wouldn’t this money be better spent on something else, or even saved? Why are you doing this? His answer, “I like to burn rubber”.
How can you argue with logic like that?
-Marlin
Forget it Jim, Americans are too busy slicing and dicing one another, so as goes the lyrics of one of Rod Stewart’s songs, “The First Cut is the Deepest”.
Joe Bageant expresses it best in his two books Deer Hunting with Jesus: Dispatches from America’s Class War followed by Rainbow Pie: A Redneck Memoir. On the book covers’ back flap read the reviews by Howard Zinn, Studs Terkel, Mark Crispin Miller, among others.
The most poignant point in my view is how “po white folk” have had their history instilled survival value of being “hard working, self sufficient” turned on its head by decades of neocon owned media propagandizing, transforming the virtue into a self-flagellation instrument.
That is to say, they blame themselves for their predicament of economic underclass that actually has been socially/culturally engineered by our nation’s ruling oligarchs.
Ironically, today’s self proclaimed Left (mostly the urban educated professional set still believing it has an upper birth on the ship of state not yet threatened by rising tsunami of cheap immigrant labor from Third World countries – well, not until just lately with the HB-1 green card holders) have reinforced the negative effect by embracing the justification for so called “immigration reform” (actually, an opening wider the flood gates to more Third World desperate masses who’d further scab jobs out from under the “po white folk” who’s desperate case does not have the PC cachet of other historically economically oppressed populations in America).
The banner phrase held high by the self anointed Left is, “illegal aliens are doing jobs that Americans won’t do”. Bullshit!, should be the obvious reply by anyone vaguely acquainted with American’s history of class war. I believe Joe voices it best.
The deepest pain / pleasure ever is often mostly the imagined pain / pleasure of others (family ties, what happens to “loved” ones, etc.), strange as you can’t touch what others feel or sense, it is a religion, you have to believe, it is a faith, a denotation, an indirection, a symbol, abstraction. And yet almost all we do is so strongly tied to others, their judgment, their assumed pain/pleasure that you are provoking (or you imagine provoked, and our own as reflected), in all senses and endeavors, that is why the debates, the communication, all of work – working for others, as others see and measure you and what you do just like you measure others, social interactions and transactions. Of course none of it is real, it is just strongly programmed in our mind to make believe that others are real, but you can unprogram this and be a simple robot like, and free from any measurements. And just force all you want, just your Free Will dominates all 100 %. Pretty hard, but not for modified minds. We “worship” others and their reactions to our communication, we are abstract – religious machines from the outset, automatically.
Others are so, so important, terrorists kill themselves for others, for an imaginary common world where we are all together (nothing further from the truth) and we waste man hours on end being all involved in debates and others, and so forth and so on. Nothing further from the truth, there is nothing, no one exists (and even if others exist, who cares ? why care ? why have this religion ? break all the rules, we are free), we are just a machine made up of independent parts that have been programmed to sense and communicate and assume others, strange but not so strange, animals use instincts. Anyways whatever, this must be deprogrammed real fast.
Anyways, more than a command language we have an assignment language, in the 1960s no one talked about innovation and competition as today, so all the talk is just subtly programming people and assigning how reality must be. All language ends up being a programming language, how societies are programmed.
Of course I want Rockets and Skyscrapers (they are all just artistic choices and preferences in the end as opposed to start ups and facebook) and China may be the ones really making these it seems, or at least I want more of these so as everyone gains in having a constructive acivity that adds up. But even my model is arbitrary, all models are just inventions, none is better than any others, so. All models are false and have zero value. I love to contradict myself.
Of course by criticizing other models and all it seems that I don’t want to be “measured” and judged, you are right, and I want to measure and judge all according to my model, but being that all models are wrong or inventions, I just want my Will Power to dominate.
So they null themselves, the fight of models zero themselves.
That link pretty much does say it all. Thanks for sharing it with us.
It isn’t the “Left” that is pushing the “doing the jobs Americans won’t do”.
It is the ruling class and the corporate media. This is because they want cheap labor.
You are repeating nonsense that you have been told, by the rightwing corporate media, no doubt.
Your latest screed: a nice summary of globollixation. Maybe strung together they form a narrative a bit like S. Pepy’s diary, which I have never read. At least Elizabeth Pepys appears to have had no visible tatoos on her upper body.
-Phut.
Marlin,
That’s hilarious! And it’s true – once upon a time American made machinery and tools were the envy of the world. Thanks for the laugh.
Well, this post is a yawner.
Maybe changing the words darn to dam, darn shame to fn pathetic, and ooze to shit, would sharpen it up a bit.
Naw, people in this country are too stupid to understand about the decline and fall – of everything – described in any fashion.
They were just ridingba national bandwagon whichnis why Germans never did ride up.
How that relatesnto home grown mutters in 20th century America I’m not sure…
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Conch, the recently new term for this type of error is “fat finger.” In each of the three cases you struck either a b or an n when, obviously, wishing to strike the space bar.
No problem … we all make mistakes. But must we always click SUBMIT without first proofreading our comment?
-doing the jobs americans won’t do-
I would really like to know the origin of this phrase. I associate it with the BushII era when he and the big business Republicans were trying to pass Comprehensive Immigration Reform.
It is hard for me to understand why any group that is associated with immigrant rights would use “We’re doing the jobs Americans won’t do…” as one of their talking points.
There is something horrible about the phrase.
The idea that there are some jobs so horrible and foul that they are beneath the dignity of ALL native born Americans – so that these jobs can ONLY be performed by a desperate and newly arrived immigrant.
This idea drips with class consciousness and evil.
Not to mention that the children and grandchildren of these immigrants “won’t do” those jobs either – so it is impossible to ever get off this treadmill of unsustainably high immigration – as population numbers in the United States continue to slowly crush ecosystems and peoples – out of sight, and around the Globe.
A bus driver in Spain was using two cell phones and driving with his knees. It’s all good. The passengers complained for some reason.
Recent political developments in Britain suggest we may see the UK breaking up long before the Euro does. In May the Scottish National Party won enough seats in the Scottish parliament to force a referendum on independence.
This will almost certainly happen, and the Scots will most likely vote for it, which will be interesting, what with (the remnants of) North Sea oil all being around Scotland…
The Euro, btw, is probably here to stay. It works for France and Germany, and it’s hard to imagine the rest actually wanting to go back to zloty, drachma, lira, etc.
Nations as diverse as Turkey and Serbia are clamouring to join the EU and the Euro. Even in xenophobic little England all but the most deranged, neo-facist political parties accept that leaving the EU would be economic suicide.
Interestingly, the very existence of the Euro undermines the power of the US dollar.
What’s with the title of today’s post? It is all about Europe but the title is “American Exceptionalism.” Don’t get it…
Yep, anywhere “I want” to go. Of course not necessarily everywhere you want to go. Still want to sign-up?
OK, maybe on the streets the Italians hold the medal for loudest, but in a restaurant Americans can’t be beat (especially in groups of four or more). And as far as largest though, there is absolutely positively no doubt who gets that gold… 🙂
The Elite, both so called Left and so called Right, hate the White Under Class. With the Right, it’s a traditional class thing. With the Left, it’s racism – even though the Leftists are overwhelming White themselves. Don’t ask me to explain it – I could but you wouldn’t believe me. We have to expand the definition of the word Racism to fit people who are prejudiced against people of their own race. The Jewish idea of the self hating Jew can help us here.
In any case, it not Right against Left anymore, but us against Them. The Them being the New World Order, the Illuminati or whatever you want to call them. Their local branches include the Council of Foreign Relations and The Skull and Bones – also known as The Order.
“Point taken. Now why the FUCK don’t you try…”
-lil’jimbo/tsa/ling/tooTsie/lil’infintiy, to Q-
Thanks for helping one of the CFN trolls identify himself this week, Q.
Note to thread – there is no reason to respond to this poster, since lil’lulu/lil’jimbo/etc. will respond with profanity and insult when ideas fail him – which happens frequently.
He will now demonstrate this “talent” in his response to me.
I attended a local festival last Friday night, the usual type with lots of rides for the kids and carnies pushing stupid games with no takers. The real shocker was the fact that you couldn’t tell the carnies from the crowd. Almost every person was covered in tattoos, obese and ugly as sin. The kids were as horrifying as the adults where all the boys were dressed up like gang-bangers and the girls looked like drug addicted whores. If that’s the future, then there isn’t much of one.
the left wants voters, the globalist want cheap labor. this is destroying the good thing we had going. it prevents us reaching a consensus on dealing with our problems.
Dang, dude. You OD on caffeine this morning?
I have no problem if people want to brand themselves like NASCARs, but neck tats really do give the silent message, “Don’t hire me. I’m a criminal.”
Do you think farmers could fill all the seasonal positions with 100% US labor? They say they could not. Do you believe them?
Why did they use it – because it was true, at least for a time. Whites wouldn’t work in the hot kitchens and fields for those wages. Now they might though – and more all the time. Accordingly, they stopped using that phrase two years ago when the economy collapsed and we were losing half a million jobs per month.
The immigrants were able to survive on those wages by thrift of course and cramming in a dozen to a room. But that’s just at the begining. They learn how to connect up with social services and how to game the system. In recent years, many have jumped over the whole labor/poverty stage via the American Baby syndrome. And once here, they start bringing in their relatives.
Once amnestied or tied in with social services, the immigrants wont work those jobs either. So if allowed to, the Elite will continue to bring in new immigrants to exploit. And of course there is the Democratic Party’s political angle – more immigrants equals more votes. In any case, the decison has come down from on high to have 400 million people here by 2050 and create a White Minority. By hook or by crook they intend to do just that. There is no economic need for this at all and it’s an ecological nightmare. It is being done as part of the Illuminati’s plan to destroy the West – and ultimately rule the World.
“It is being done as part of the Illuminati’s plan to destroy the West – and ultimately rule the World.”
Don’t forget the part of the shape-shifting aliens from Zeta Reticuli in all this…
Except the Nazis got all kinds of help from international and domestic banks, including Wall Street, as well as German and foreign corporations.
http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/
Oh, well. So much for facts.
That video was awesome, yet horrifying at the same time.
Agree 100% with what you are saying. Inside Job – the documentary – shows just how these investment banks made money from both sides.. Such criminals, enabled by our government.
Sarcasm meter not working this Monday?
Everything today is fantastic from Jim’s marvelously depressing essay to some really superlative posts from the likes of cash & cavepainter, not to denigrate the others. It’s hard to improve or add so I’ll just blurt out some thoughts that erupted forth from my subconscious: [1] With the extreme hoodlum look sported by so many including full sleeve tattos etcetera ad nauseum ad infinitum it’s no goddamn wonder that every cheesy little job now comes with drug testing. After all, these people totally look the part of someone shifty who needs to be spied upon. So much for the rest of our civil liberties; [2] Never forget that there was an attempted fascist coup during the Roosevelt [Franklyn] administration which fortunately was foiled by Marine Gen. Smedly Butler. He turned them in to some federal agency like the secret service or the FBI; [3] Maybe if there is a coup de etat at some point in the future the successful faction will declare a new republic and repudiate the national debt especially if they feel confident that they could handily defeat China in a lightning strike; [4] If someone had foreknowledge of such plans they could intentionally wreck the economy first in order to benefit from that prior to moving on to the next thing after the coup.
And finally we need a national homesteading program and the government needs to stop pretending that what we now have is business as usual.
Yes the Left loves immigrants not for the cheap labor but because they provide the votes that get them elected. And of course because they will slowly destroy the West thru demographic transformation. As stupid as Communism is, at the level of tactics it never fails in its brilliance. Communists have nothing against Whites per se, they simply want them diminished in numbers in order to destroy Western Culture. Only White Conservatives could be so stupid as to not see a relationship between a Race and the Culture of that Race.
If these tactics work against Asians, they will be used against them once we are out of the way. All races and cultures must be amalgamated and destroyed in order to create the human ant hill global society that Communists dream of. Why anyone would want such a bland nothingness is beyond me.
“Do you think farmers could fill all the seasonal positions with 100% US labor? They say they could not. Do you believe them?”
-turkle-
Turkle, it’s not the farmers I don’t believe – It’s the Big Ag operators and the big corporate growers, and their National Chamber of Commerce allies.
If there were no easily exploited/recently immigrated/third world labor to pick crops for what seems to average out around $10/hour – then YEAH – most of it would get done for some more money.
(It’s happening in Georgia now, since they passed a mandatory E-verify law – Effective July 1st)
I think American Big Ag is more concerned with being competitive around the globe. They want to be sure American grapes will be competitive on price with Chilean grapes (or whatever the produce de jur is)
The only way American Ag can compete with world Ag is with cheap and exploitable immigrant labor – for a little while longer, at any rate.
Sounds like American software writing/American design work/American engineering – except these were outsourced.
You can’t outsource picking veggies – so they insourced cheap labor instead – same outcome, though.
Every year I take a look at the NBA Finals, just to see if I can spot anything I might like about basketball. This year it is startling to see all the tattoos – especially curious why someone with dark skin might mar themselves like that. America in the 21st century – noise, bad taste, pointlessness and absurd hubris.
Jim – I sure hope that when you travel you go incognito. Maybe wrap-around sunglasses and a fedora. If one of these “mutts” ever recognizes you, it’ll be all over.
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The odds that “one of these mutts” is even aware of Jim’s existence much less recognizing him is about as likely as them winning the next Mega Zillion Power Ball Lottery.
And the Communists didn’t get help from Wall Street? Sure they funded Germany a bit, there was money to be made after all. But clearly they wanted the Communists to triumph. But just in case Germany won or survived somehow, they wanted to have a hand in there as well.
It’s by funding both sides of every conflict that the International Bankers have come this far – as they did in the American Civil War. The hand that lends is stronger than the hand the recieves. Thus they have gotten stronger with every war for the last two hundred years.
So JHK is being critized by some posters for getting small details of European history wrong. To that I respond: at least he knows Europe HAS a history. For many Americans, knowledge of history is restricted to what happened within their own borders and nowhere else. Hell, many are only dimly aware the rest of the world even exists.
At our house, we have gotten hooked on old episodes of Family Feud, where the contestants demonstrate their utter lack of knowledge about just about everything on a daily basis. Asked for the best city in the world, the answers were New York and L.A. Forget London or Paris, or even Hong Kong, it was USA all the way. In another question about American states, several of the worthy players identified cities instead. Apparently they didn’t know a state was different than a city. Du’uh.
We make no apologies for spending our time on trivialites like this, it’s amusing and confirms our own Canadian superiority since we usually have the right answers more than the players do. Hey, we all have to get our jollies somehow and it’s better than American Idol or the latest weird and disgusting reality show: Freaky Eaters. JHK would love that, last night it was a very large woman who only ate french fries with melted cheese all over them. At least it was real cheddar cheese and not the powdered variety. Guess that makes her a gourmet by American standards.
I shouldn’t allow myself this degree of hubris though, your decline is coming just five minutes later to Canada. Certainly the tattoo crowd has already arrived. One wonders if you have to breed children before age 18 to get them, since most of them are pushing baby strollers with dirty, sad little kids strapped inside. Is it possible to be doomed from birth?
And what about Roosevelt setting up Pearl Harbor and laying the foundation for the Welfare State? Perhaps a coup was called for – it’s “rightness” would depend on who was doing it, why, and what their agenda was. The Founders gave us this right too.
YIKES !
I have Always felt out of place tho I was born and have lived my whole life in USA / California.
I am applying for a passport soon. Getting things in order. In case I want to make a break.
Good for you for getting out and getting to a more Realistic place.
Yes I can imagine many Americans being the Loudest and biggest for sure. Gross. Not all, just so many.
I am the one who has Never Ate a Mac Donalds’ or any other fast food hamburger ! So that’s something !
I’ve always experienced the American Way the way JHK describes it, been reading him since Home From Nowhere. One of my all time favorite writers / thinkers.
And I also am so tired of driving and the way most drive here. So rude and reckless and thoughtless and intentionally out to get you / me.
“So rude and reckless and thoughtless and intentionally out to get you / me.”
BTW, many other countries are far worse.
Oh Vlad, what would we do without you to explain everything to us? Racism against people of one’s own race? What have you been drinking? That’s plain old fashioned classism, nothing more. Hardly a new phenomenon, and hardly different just because it’s practised by alleged leftists.
Please, refrain from explaining anything else. Your silly conspiracy theories are pathetic.
If it’s Us against Them, please tell us if you are an Us or a Them. I’d hate to find myself on the same side as you.
“Please, refrain from explaining anything else.”
Seconded.
Great answer. Small farmers and contractors have to survive so they have to play the game as it is given to them. Alot of these guys would welcome a return to law and order I’m sure. The Turkels of the world always become free marketeers when it comes time for Goverment to do something that helps the Nation and not World Communism. He’s so slippery that he can’t even feel himself. So crooked that he doesn’t even recognize himself coming and going. He shifts his ground so fast that he himself doesn’t even realize he’s become Milton Friedman.
My tattoo story: A few years ago I had a 52 CarryAll {early model surburban – for you furiners}. I stuffed a straight-six and tranny out of a chevy wagon in it and rewired everything. Then I got 5 cans of paint and enlisted an eqaul number of seven-year-olds and told them I wanted this rig painted! We taped off the windows and wheels and they painted a camo-blend of earth-tones. I could park it in woods or desert and most people would walk right up on it before recognizing it as a vehicle.
When I put the ad up, the first fellow to appear was a long haired skinny fellow on a HD with color beginning at his knuckles and covering every square inch of visible skin. He asked me if he could put two hundred bucks down and bring me two hundred bucks a day till it was payed for. Everyday he appeared with a different vehicle and gave me two franklins. On the last day his girlfriend brought him and he drove away in the saloon-door carryall, waving goodbye. I told my boys it just seemed right – cause they were both painted just alike.
When I said YIKES I was referring to the NASCAR video.
forgot to mention that.
You aren’t on the same side with me. And you are against Whites in favor of non-Whites. You are part of the problem. You have bought ALL of the conditioning the Masters gave you at college – and now you resent it when someone tells you so. You prefer to fancy yourself someone educated. What a joke. You were conditioned and then trained to pass that on to others and to defend it as well.
Vlad you’re giving me a headache. Do you believe everything you see and hear on Fox News?
Here’s some reality for you, although it isn’t as exciting as your stupid New World Order theories. Immigrants come to North America to escape the miserable poverty at home. They don’t want to live twelve to a room anymore, they want decent jobs, decent lives and hope for their children. Just like us. Funny, that.
As for social services, thanks to so called “welfare reform” they hardly exist anymore, and certainly don’t provide the income or dignity that immigrants, or anyone else, is looking for to improve their lives. Of course, if you believe Fox News, it’s all one big gravy train, isn’t it?
Your beliefs are based on insecurity, jealousy and hatred. You need an underclass so you can feel better about yourself and have someone else to blame for the country’s problems. Try looking in the mirror to find the real perpetrator. People like you are living dinosaurs, interesting only for the sake of curiosity.
“You aren’t on the same side with me.”
It must be lonely over there on your side…
C’mon Jackie, stay here and tough it out with the rest of us. Don’t leave the USA.
Jackie, were you one of those sun drenched California blonds the Beach Boys used to sing about? Here on the East Coast that was just a dream for us. That’s how I have you pictured in my minds eye, JackieBlue
-Marlin
What were his tatoos? Biker? Religious? Mom? Maybe he was a Druid and you didn’t recognize him.
I have a dancing girl on my bicep and she dances when I flex. It’s very exciting.
Wow, talk about national Alzheimer’s disease; I’m amazed at how quickly is being erased national memory. Maybe erased is the wrong word, probably more like disappeared.
Anyway, try to find the book Fruit Fields in My Blood: Okie Migrants in the West, by Toby F. Sonneman. Read it; you’ll learn what most people my age actually experienced or witnessed. That is, even up until the late 1970s most itinerant farm labor in America (except in southern California and other border state) were still poor whites and blacks who’d decades earlier been systematically and intentionally pushed off family farms or out of share cropping and truck farming by rigged shipping rates, banking policies and pricing on farm product.
Sure, they’d gotten a screwing there, followed though by the screwing they got once they’d sought security by settling in manufacturing, only to see that subsequently blown out from under them by off-shoring, destruction of the unions and influx of foreign nationals from Third World nations to undercut those wages just as those same factors kept farm labor wages depressed in general, including the fruit fields.
Of course now though the Left, which has become as doctrinaire as the Right, is shouting that America is too much like tofu; too white, too lacking in texture (soft) and having no flavor of its own — needing to be spiced up with some other essence.
Yeah, its easy taking shots at an underclass already generations deep; all the sterotypes are well in place, obscured from the national memory as to how social engineering brought them about.
“Of course now though the Left, which has become as doctrinaire as the Right”
Perhaps this is the case in your Canadian political scene but not here in ‘Merica. The Left, as usual, is a circus composed of a big grab bag of different causes and interests, hardly able to agree on any old thing, except their hatred of Republicans.
You’re forgetting the basics of environmentalism -which you think you believe in no doubt. Resources are limited. I’m sure they are coming here because where they come from is a shit hole. The challenge is not to bring them here, it’s to keep them out. Or do you prefer them to White Americans? We both know the answer to that. What a traitor you are.
Pepy’s Diary – The Plague; The Great London Fire … The movie “Restoration” covers about the same period. Ditto the novel “Forever Amber.”
“Restoration” is really good. Robert Downey Jr. Glad to see that guy apparently has finally got his act together. Great actor.
Any-who. A young doctor is summoned to the court of Charles II. He’s sooo excited! He gets to be the King’s physician! No such luck. The King wants him to be the doctor to the royal spaniels. Oh, and provide cover so he can cavort about with married women. Worth a look.
Turkle the Free Marketeer! Turkle the little commie clown who just can’t think.
What the hell are you talking about?
I didn’t deny that white people were farmworkers, you twit.
I said that the lie that there were jobs that Americans won’t do is a corporate media lie, designed to support immigration. And that the ruling class supports immigration because they want cheap labor.
How could you possibly twist that?
My uncle in Oregon tried to talk my Dad into sending me there to pick strawberries when I was 10 years old. My Dad refused.
I grew up with Oakies.
I still know white farmworkers. A couple of weeks ago, one of them, a blue-eyed blond guy who is illiterate enough not to be able to sign his name, told me that TV news was lying to him about killing Osama Bin Laden.
Well. Here’s what I thought. You may be illiterate, but you’re not stupid.
You, on the other hand, are literate, but not enough to be able to comprehend what you read.
Vlad, to borrow a phrase from Stephen Colbert, “I don’t see colour”.
People are people, whatever shade of skin they have. And why do you want to keep immigrants, and not-Whites, out of the USA? Wasn’t there something in your Constitution about everybody being equal? And weren’t you all immigrants too? I’m sure any native North American (that’s redskins to you)would say you are immigrants and I have to agree.
It’s one world, baby, and we share it with everyone else. If the New World Order that you’re so scared of includes that principle, then bring it on. We’ll all be better off when we have melted down into some shade of brown and can’t use that excuse to hate each other anymore.
While I am a little put off by the culture of tattoos in America (what’s with the baby portrait tattoos and kids names tatted on necks with their birth dates?), I will say that law enforcement and or firefighters may have served in the military. Being a former Marine, I can tell you that in the Corps most young jarheads wanted to get the eagle/globe/anchor tattoo as soon as they were out of SOI (School of Infantry – 90’s). Amoung Marine infantry tats are pretty popular. I would guess, that this tradition was passed on to Marines from sailors, since it appears sailors were fond of tattoos.
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I will pull this gem from my archive of (Kunstler) favorites when some future occasion calls for an anti-tattoo screed.
Simmer down, this is a discussion (I hope), not a brawl. I’ll own that I don’t always interpret others’ meaning, so sometimes require a restating.
Addressing the topic in general, some here don’t seem to realize that the words “sovereignty” and “citizen” are exclusionary by defintion. Especially so in the case of democratic process by which a “more perfect union” of people hope to direct their “common wealth” destiny through elected representation. That goes directy to threats “from within” and “from without”. Foreign nationals disregarding our immmigration laws is invasion — a forced redirecting of the national destiny intended by the drafting of those laws.
National sovereignty is under attack by global corporations, and not just with cheap immigrant labor.
Witness the attack on Libya, illegal under international law.
It is justified by “humanitarian intervention”, a new concept, invented by the US to justify its attack on Yugoslavia in the 90s, a country that was resisting neo-liberal reforms after the breakup of the USSR and the US attempt to corner the riches of those countries formerly denied to them.
Global corporations have no national loyalties and
obey no laws made by mere elected representatives. They are the biggest threat to humankind. Illegal immigration is only a symptom of the malady.
A memory from childhood indelibly etched in my memory-
My Mom told me in a normal voice that two of our neighboring families were Okies.
Then she lowered her voice (as if they could hear across the street) and told me that one of the families were “foot-washing Baptists, but we’re not prejudiced”.
Well, whatever foot-washing Baptists were, and no matter how liberal we were, I knew right there that there was something very wrong with that religion!
-on immigrants and the environment-
one word can make all the difference –
“The challenge is not to bring them here, it’s to keep them out. Or do you prefer them to White Americans?”
-vlad, crashing the thread into unthinking racism, again –
“The challenge is not to bring them here, it’s to keep them out. Or do you prefer them to African-
Americans?”
-vlad, with slight editing to make others think-
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black/black – brown/brown – white/white
week after freaking WEEK!
Vlad, if your goal is to make people harden up and fight against most everything you claim to stand for – you are doing a fine job.
Hello James I am an avid reader of your Monday morn musings. I love the way you describe these heavily tattooed, baggy, sullen folk that seem ever more prevalent. I live near Belleviile, On Ca. and every time I go there and walk the streets or take the bus I constantly encounter this phenomena! They seem to be very much a Canadian cultural aberration, trying to look even “badder ” than the Americans! Spiderwebs on the neck et all and a unhealthy skin and yellow nicotine stained teeth. On top of that an affectation of a scowl or mean look .I will steer clear of upstate NY but its worse here!!
And speaking of Europe, and Greece Please check out MaxKeiser.com today
and Michael Hudson
http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2011/06/replacing-economic-democracy-financial.html
The article in the current NY Review of Books by Marcia Angell titled “The Current Epidemic of Mental Illness” seems in my mind at least to be not unconnected with the contemporary tattooing craze. Now that is two comments in one day for me. I’ve reached my quota until next week.
-Phut.
“when we have melted down into some shade of brown and can’t use that excuse to hate each other anymore.”
-grouchyoldGirl-
When the above happens, Grouchy, we’ll have plenty of excuses to hate each other already operational.
Witness:
Shia/Sunni
Bloods/Crips
Crackers/White Trash
Town/Gown
There’s nothing wrong with miscegenation, necessarily, but it’s not going to be the end of hate and the beginning of love forevermore.
Sometimes, it does seem that the American left thinks that if we can just get ENOUGH different races and creeds into the US – that the Age of Aquarius will dawn again –
I see evidence building that the opposite is going to happen, instead.
Every year I take a look at the NBA Finals, just to see if I can spot anything I might like about basketball. This year it is startling to see all the tattoos …
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Not sure when the tatt thing really got rolling but by now it is near universal. It is inevitable though that in some future time (maybe soon) the idea of being a rebel will be expressed by NOT having even a single tattoo. I believe their are already one or two such players in the NBA … possibly even three.
It amazes me these athletes don’t see how sheep-like they actually are.
overpopulation is overpopulation no matter what the skin shade also. it just so happens is that those with dark skin are doing the most to contribute to over population in the united states at this time. my loathed lily white hands touch black skin every day and frankly it feels the same as white or brown skin. i just want a country for my kids and grandkids that is relatively safe, clean ,comfortable, and uncrowded . i dont blame them for wanting to come here or beautiful canada but do we want to turn our countries into shitholes like theirs. why is that so good and noble.
You put your finger right on what makes the tatoo fad such an indicator of increasing barbarity in American life.
It’s permanent. In my own hippie youth, we dyed our hair purple and walked around in sheer blouses with no bras, and painted fake flower tattoos on our hands, but we did all this with the idea that it would be very transient.
Someone once remarked that you could measure a person’s intelligence or the degree of advancement of a civilization by its time frames. The further the time horizon, the more advanced the mind… or society.The willingness of people in the 20-45 yr old bracket to deface their bodies permanently bespeaks an inability to project the future, which is the hallmark of an undeveloped mind and a primitive civilization. People who can’t project the future well enough to figure that they might one day want to work somewhere besides a car wash or fast food kitchen will not have the vision it takes to project the end results of our current choices, or conceive of a society that works on very different terms than the one we live in now.
LOL. Which is why I think Jim let’s Vlad stick around. To remind us there are people like him out there. Sigh. Our very own little Neo-Nazi.
Jimbo…I chuckle at your constantly bemoaning the “tattoo culture”, and then I read about football coach Jim Tressel’s firing at Ohio State in part as a result of some of his players trading football memorabilia fot tats. Ah, yes, student athletes indeed! If you’re so insecure that you’ve got to get your body pierced to stand out from the crowd, I feel sorry for you. A tattoo is nothing more than a permanent reminder of a temporary feeling.
Two things about your post are going to get you in trouble with the Global Village/America Can’t Be a Lifeboat crowd.
One is:
uncrowded – someone is going to tell you that New York has to reach the population density of New Dehli or Tokyo, otherwise Americans are “being selfish.”
Of course these people need to realize that without fossil fuel/fertilizer/technology – that the world INCLUDING the US, is already drastically overpopulated and likely heading for a global population crash.
second thing:
your use of the term “shitholes” – is going to make some people so angry that thinking flies out the window for them?
There is a magical belief that simply ENTERING INTO the US will turn an underprivileged, uneducated immigrant with no assets into an up-and-coming member of the Elite American Entrepreneurial Class.
This is a lie.
But, even if true, the last thing we need in the States are more members of the Overprivileged Elite American Entrepreneurial Class – burning through the rest of the Planet’s resources at an increasing rate.
I think I live in the third-most “inked” city in America.
Does that mean we will suffer more when it all goes down? I better get another tat to keep up the scare-factor.
If the founders gave right wing CABALs the right to stage a coup de etat then why is it that conspirators caught doing that can be tried for treason? On the other hand a widespread popular uprising which achieved critical mass as a revolution which eventually proved victorious would be different in that the victors get to make the rules.
The notion that FDR moved the pacific fleet to Pearl Harbor for the express purpose of setting them up for a Japanese air raid is absurd not to mention unprovable. Such a conspiracy would require that Roosevelt was conspiring with the Japanese themselves, which is so completely beyond the pale as to border on psychosis. This also ignores the reality that the navy was Roosevelt’s favorite department of the government, his having served as Ass’t Sec. of the Navy during WWI. He and Churchill, twice First Lord of the Admiralty in the UK used to refer to each other in cables as “former naval person”.
quote from a jimmy buffet song ‘permanent reminder of a temporary feeling’
When I was a sailor I once considered getting a tattoo of an anchor at a tattoo parlor in Newport, RI. When I realized how much the artist wanted for this simple tattoo, or $75 in 1980, I declined because I considered that to be an outrageous waste of good drinking money! After all, you’ve got to have your priorities straight.
you are right on both counts. i can change my usage from shitholes to hopeless quagmires. but i’m afraid changing peoples minds about what constitutes selfishness vs. common sense is a lot harder.
So the stock market is down again today, trouble in Europe continues and the american economy is in a free-fall…as one would predict, CNBC cuts in to the press conference on weinergate?
I live in a twin-city area with a combined population of 23,000. We have 6 Tattoo parlors. A group of “Christian” businessmen buy old buildings and when they re-sell them (usually to family members within the group) there is a ridder in the contract that the business cannot be a tattoo parlor or beer tavern.
The medical marijuana dispensary flew in under the radar, but only lasted a week or two before the sheriff’s raid. The indoor grow store seems to be doing a land office business.
No, the fleet was already there silly. He cut off their oil supply, and then ignored their rage – and the warning signs as their fleet approached Hawaii.
Jefferson said we have the right to abolish goverments that no longer serve us – just as they did. Of course the goverment in question isn’t going to just give in. Obviously we aren’t the men our Fore Fathers were. If they had been like us, there never would have been a revolution at all.
That’s the kind of Neo Puritan Idealism that’s killing us. It’s just untilateral surrender since the other races don’t feel that way at all. That’s obvious to anyone who has been around them – and listened and observed. You either live in an Ivory Tower or an all White Suburb.
The Mexicans strictly enforce their borders against other Central Americans. India has built a wall to keep out the Bengladeshis. Ask an East Asian how they see Blacks – it will be an education.
You’re right Prog – it’s bad for Black Americans too. The People know but their politicians follow the Democratic Lead. There already is low grade ethnic warfare between the two groups – with the Blacks getting the worst of it in general.
And the White/Black situation is going downhill rapidly. The influential Drudge Report is now reporting the daily Black attacks on Whites – all suppresed by the Mainstream Media. The new and growing trend is Black Flash mobs. The flash mob began as as bohemians just having fun. But Blacks picked up on the idea and use technology to organize this kind of terror.
Yes we have to harden up. And it starts in the mind. People who have never lived or worked with Blacks only know what the lying Media tells them. This puts them in danger.
“History, that coy dominatrix, loves to trick the credulous human race.” You’ve hit the target perfectly once again JHK. The price of gas is plummeting here in the Motor City as we speak and no one can figure out why. Was it the death of Bin Laden, a tanking world economy or have too many people had to decide between keeping the old beater on the road or feeding the family? Either way, I can’t believe the profusion of bicycles in the Motor City. Folks who not too long ago would have been driving Ford Escorts and Plymouth Reliants to the grocery store are now riding beat-up old bicyles that wouldn’t look out of place in India everywhere.
[blockquote]”In a moment when something we call “democracy” seems to be spreading through the dodgy precincts of the world like a contagion of virtue, the trend is actually going the other way in countries that have practiced it for a while.”[/blockquote]
I can never remember which tags work where.
I thought you didn’t read either my posts – or the responses to my posts. What a litte liar. You are really into the whole brittle purity trip. No doubt old ladies your own age think you are a good boy.
Well unfortunately “democracy” can be derailed pretty easily if their are no citizens, just herds of consumers.
I mean “there” are no citizens.
So far two things have been discovered by mankind, the wheel and “fire.” In the use of one – he’s used up most of the fuel for the other.
It might be connected somehow to guys wearing wife beater t shirts. It’s non newtonian, the physics of synchronicity.
I got mine – and I’m gonna wear it in my new ricksaw business. Wealthy Blacks like to see Whites dressing down with tats too. I may have to take the plunge and go under the needle. I will hate myself and break mirrors with my fist. A man must eat or he will have no reflection.
Has there ever existed a civilization that flourished on one given resource that successfully transitioned to another?
This is a lie. !!!!!!
And each ‘wave’ [hitting / sinking the US lifeboat] makes it harder for the last wave of migrants to
Keep their jobs [new migrants are use to working for cheaper]
Have a decent place to live
[migrants usually live in slums in oh, Mc Arthur park ..yes the MAP from Donna Summers song]
Get an education [ in public schools in poor areas that may already be full up…etcetcetc
Migrants impact on all of us…especially on those in the areas they live, logiaclly enough,
and on those who they compete for ‘cash’ and minimum wage jobs.
Grouchy ol Girl earned a new ‘handle’ [Ima Fool}.
Tattoo ‘artists’ can charge 1000s of dollars
for a work of art!
What can Americans learn from the rioting in the mid-east? Could any techniques used there have success here?
Do American policy makers study autocratic regimes to learn civil/martial law population control techniques?
‘As for social services, thanks to so called “welfare reform” they hardly exist anymore’
Gawd yr an idiot!
1 in 7 is on foodstamps and Ss ‘dont exist’!
Is America unique in its population’s apparent totally porcine and slovenly behaviors? Does any other population come close approximating the ignorance and complacency of the American electorate?
Do the Swiss watch “Dancing with the Stars?
“Tattoo ‘artists’ can charge 1000s of dollars
for a work of art!”
Good grief. I gotta tell my guy–$75 to get it and $40 to re-ink it 10 years later.
Maybe he’s a poser 🙂
‘I can always spot Americans amongst the many tourists even before I hear them. They are by far the largest, and the loudest’
Actually Belgians are the tallest, you may be meaning fattest, which might or might not be true.
What i have found is…’the loudest’
EASILY BLACKS, AMERICAN OR NOT!!!
Ive heard conversations from a city block away
their normal talking level is shouting or close to it.
French and Italians are smaller, which may account for lack of volume on their part.
Is what Wiener did so bad? It was just Twitter Sex. As man evolves, cyber life becomes more real than the physical. He may be a Cultural Revolutionary – marriages may stay physically chaste (at least as an ideal) but cybernetically promiscuous.
The U.S. pacific fleet had to be moved to Pearl Harbor from its regular base in San Diego. In terms of the silliness of my statement here I was stationed at Pearl Harbor for two years and am familiar with all the lore including having read the best selling books on the subject.
There is simply no way that Roosevelt could’ve conspired with the Japanese to have them attack Pearl Harbor. The attack was unexpected owing to its audacity. The Japanese fleet managed to cross the north pacific without being detected. The reason the Japanese navy was so good at that point was because it was originally trained by the British. The Japs had such high regard for British sailors that they dropped a wreath on the site where they sank the HMS Prince of Wales off of Singapore.
True, Roosevelt’s actions towards the Japanese were provocative, but considering what the Japs were doing in China there was no reason to make any attempt to appease them at that point. The Japs also attacked everyone else with colonies in the far east including the French, British, and Dutch.
The Japanese attack was so audacious that only a couple of visionaries foresaw it, General Billy Mitchell among them. Mitchell was court martialed because his views on air power were considered outlandish by old fashioned officers in both the army and the navy. Mitchell then was subsequently awarded the medal of honor once his theories were vindicated since he’d sacrified his career to advocate for increased awareness of air power.
Roosevelt and others expected the Japanese to attack elsewhere. To purposely expose the pacific fleet to such an attack would’ve been suicidal but fortunately the Japanese did not press their advantage and withdrew after the initial waves of attack.
Vlad, you may need to come with your own Warning Label.
Here’s what I said concerning your turning virtually every issue into a black/brown/white fear fight:
“Vlad, if your goal is to make people harden up and fight against most everything you claim to stand for – you are doing a fine job.”
-me, to Vlad-
Here’s how you responded:
“Yes we have to harden up. And it starts in the mind. People who have never lived or worked with Blacks only know what the lying Media tells them. This puts them in danger.”
-vlad, twisting my words beyond recognition-
Calm down, Vlad – you appear to be so obsessed by your own fear, that you are impeding honest dialog.
And I wouldn’t mind so much – except there are far bigger issues in the US and in the World, and you don’t have a right to singlehandedly drag the CFN thread off onto racism – yet again- on an otherwise productive Monday.
OMG, when will we see the end of the romanticized notion of “noble savage”? Within the current milieu of political banter there are strains of such romantic thinking, expressed as belief that America needs a redemption that can only be realized through absorbing unlimited numbers of people still dragging with them beliefs and understandings hardly removed from the Bronze Age. Darker skin, of course, has been accepted by such thinkers as index of degree of “noble savage”.
I guess this is the new “American Exceptionalism” — not that of which JHK addressed. Smacks too of condescension toward our darker members of the human family – which, important to note against backdrop of world affairs, show no less capacity for savagery in contesting one another than do…..uh, us white folks up here in the Northern Hemisphere.
What kind of tattoos do “you” have? Can reccomend anybody? My dancing girl needs a touch up. She’s begining to look naked and I’m embarrased to be seen with her.
I didn’t say He conspired with them, just that He maneuvered them into a corner so the would attack – and give Roosevelt and the nascent New World Order the entrance into the war that they so desperately desired. With every war they get stronger. Even orthodox historians confirm Roosevelt’s long term goal – even though he campaigned to keep us out of the war as Wilson had a generation before.
It was their 9/11. In WW1 there was the Lusitania – ostensibly a passenger ship but secretly loaded to the gills with armaments. The German Goverment caught wind of the plan and took out ads in American Newspapers warning Americans not to travel on the Lusitania. The Newspapers refused to run the ads and the ship sailed right into the wolf pack. The ship blew up like the 4th of Ju-ly according to witnesses. Recent excavations of the drowned ship confirm the German version against the Anglo liars.
You’ve hit the nail on the head. And Blacks being the darkest are the most noble of all. They have replaced Christ as the object to be worshiped by all faux Christians.
Fine, Vlad,
It looked like a bad underwear ad, but…
But why are these guys so utterly unprepared for the public exposure, as it were?
They lie themselves into a corner, ruining their credibility way more than the original act itself.
Did Wiener really think this was just between himself and the girl he sent the picture to?
Not very technical savvy if you ask me.—And much ado about nothing, but the fact that these guys keep thinking their actions will never see the light of day.
I guess the bread and circus will continue–As you know, there’s no other news of the day.
ah the end of empire is a sad thing to witness.
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On another note, I think Fareed Zacharia’s special last night on innovation was something to watch. Try and watch it if it’s on again or on streaming video.
Best not to speak ill of those Adirondack mutts, James, lest you risk alienating most of your readership.
Each progressive wave of immigrants further dilutes the remaining cultural capital of America. These people aren’t going to assimilate to the norms of a dying people who don’t have the commonsense to maintain their borders and their language. It’s like that old gag from Groucho Marx: I wouldn’t belong to any club that would have me as a member. That’s how the immigrants feel – minus the implied inferiority complex of course. Whites simply can’t grok how much these people love themselves. We’ve lost that completely. How do you expect Whites to survive hating themselves as they do? And how can such self haters assimilate anyone or even want to?
Answer: they can’t and they don’t – not the
Grouchy Old Girls anyway. Cash wants to of course, but my first point explains why that wont work. People don’t respect the kind of softness that we have extended to them. And the sheer numbers and rate make it impossible as well.
Old saying said different ways in European Literature: Whom the Gods wish to kill they first drive mad. That’s where we are. And I have been driven mad trying to wake up those who refuse to wake up.
Yeah the technology has run far ahead of both the social norms and the public’s understanding of its capability.
Also amusing: typically women have absolutely no interest in seeing this kind of thing. Heterosexual men project their own trip onto women. So much for the sophistication of some of our politicians.
“What were his tatoos?”
I really can’t remember. They seemed to be overlapping or even layered. Too many to sort out.
“I grew up with Oakies.”
IR1, we ain’t named after trees.
I think the public gets it. It’s politicians who are clueless. They keep flying into the fire, though.
Their protestations when caught are fodder for the news–man they just can’t stop themselves.
Pathetic!
Okay, I can go along with your clarification. For instance there is no doubt that FDR violated the neutrality act in spirit if not in letter with many of the actions he took in the Atlantic in which we were involved in an undeclared naval war against the Germans, sent the British 50 WWI mothball fleet destroyers, and even had an American naval aviator working with the British tracking the Bismark.
Your comments also see things in a sinister light but without making unbelievable assertions. The fact is there does exist an Anglo- American conspiracy. One of the prime movers in this conspiracy during its infancy was Cecil Rhodes, founder of the scholarships to Oxford and South African diamond tycoon who was instrumental in starting the Boer War at the end of the 19th century.
Last week it was Palin in leather. This week
a “coy dominatrix.” Jimmy, what gives?
I believe it was Newfie who had the best post last week.. Heil Titler
I am very concerned about the future. I will be spending the rest of my life there…
The best handle on the site… NECKFLAMES!
Five years in the Navy, Two in the Army, never got a Tattoo. My Dad didn’t have one either, after combat service in WW11 & Korea. Now every pissant and loser at the local Community College and fast food restaurant is covered up with them. Shaved heads, skin piercings, Ubangi earrings, Tattoos everywhere … you’re right, Jim, what a bunch of f—-g mutts!
-Marlin
Traveled through central New York over the Mem Holiday. While passing through the little hamlets and villages, I observed the most curious thing. While the settlement pattern was evidenced by good clustering of building types, the municipal offices were not there. Signs directed you to a ancillary road that took you out into the the cultivated fields somewhere. Bizarre! Why remove them from the center?
Marlin,
Try not to be so judgmental.
lately the Chinese visitors look more like bargain-hunters at the preview of an estate auction, sizing up the merchandise
How long will it take for JHK to read about the massive energy crisis hitting China?
I tweet about it all the time now @babystrangeloop
Boy, some things sure don’t change. Like CFN. Jim writes something, the first posts are like “Another great blah blah”, the next posts are “I hate you and the blog you write on!” Then Vlad crawls out of his cave and drags the whole thing further down into the mud & crap, closely followed by LuLu, or LaLa, or whatever they go by now.
Same goes for the USA. Got back to the new home a few weeks back from a visit up there, boy, its scary to see the denial & insanity up close. Almost everyone there lives in some kind of delusion. Its unbelievable.
To Jackie Blue & others thinking of getting out: JUST DO IT! to copy an ad slogan. But really, if you don’t do it soon, you may never be able to leave. Its getting pretty bad there. One almost thinks that the whole ‘Tat’ thing is an unconscious acknowledgment of the prison state you are living in. If you can recall, not all that long ago the only people that had massive Tats were those on the Outside of the culture: Ex-cons, gang members, bikers, etc. So perhaps all those ‘Tat-ed’ freaks that Jim is so scared of are really just stating out in the open for all to see that they realize they are living in a Coast to Coast open-air prison.
Or not, perhaps they are really just trend following idiots.
But as I said above to Jackie & others, if you can, get out now before its too late.
Down here there are so many mangoes falling from the trees they just lay there and rot, filling the air in some parts with the scent of fermenting mangoes, which some of the birds seem to like quite a lot. I can buy a bolsa of 4-5 nice big mangos for about $1.40.
So just Do It! while the Doing it is good, and leave the rusting scrap heap that was the USA to toads like Vlad.
Over & out, DJ 🙂
Try not to be so judgmental.
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Jammer,
Following are 10 guesses about Americans with tattoos for which I have absolutely no proof but I toss them out on the table as a starting point for discussion (maybe Asoka can locate data to confirm or refute):
1. Employed people (both men and women) with 2 or more visible tattoos on the face, neck, head, arms, hands, and/or legs earn 25% to 50% less on average than non-tattooed people.
2. Non-tattooed people have significantly higher levels of education.
3. Unemployment is much higher among tattooed people.
4. Percentage wise, far more tattooed people have served jail time than non-tattooed.
5. There are more illegitimate children born to tattooed women over 17 years old.
6. Alcohol and drug abuse is more prevalent among tattooed people.
7. IQs of tattooed people are 15 or more points lower than non-tattooed people.
8. There are no tattooed Nobel prize recipients.
9. There are no non-tattooed motorcycle mechanics in the US.
10. Tattooed people are far more likely to shoot pool than play golf.
The Traditional America of Norman Rockwell or the Liberal America that put a man on the Moon – both were White Americas. The Multi-Cultural, Multi-Racial paradise that you propose never existed and never can exist.
Why didn’t you move to Haiti or Jamaica? Because they are Black and full of violence and ignorance. You went to Latin America – where Whites are valued and the people on top value their European genes and culture.
Gaia is angry.
This is where my worries come from these days. I’m no longer concerned about making do without the formal economy. I’ve made it through another 102 degree day without air conditioning. Actually I worked right through it in the garden without even thinking about it. A cool shower and a pair of stout margaritas with a dynamite chili relleno, and 102 never happened. We have a Jersey cow who provides us with enough high quality calories that we could probably live without any other “income.” Our total bills were $161 this month, and heading south.
But it’s the stuff you don’t see coming, even after all the preparations, all the resilience planning, that can proper fuck you. While we were out toasting our foresight, a wicked front blew in led by an insane wind pattern. It was enough to make my wife and daughter and I notice over the din of soccer, chalupas, and business people trying to convince themselves that a gross increase in sales can only mean good things, to stand up and look out the window over our heads and see the road signs in the area twisting and tossing back and forth, with waves of dust blowing through town.
It was bad in town, but apparently worse at the farm. When we retrieved the baby from my grandparents’ house and arrived at Small Batch Garden, all the summer squash were laying sideways in their beds showing their flower buds and small fruits above the leaves. The new bed I had built today in the heat and mulched with a thick layer of hay was everywhere. Then I noticed the peppers. I was horrified. All but two of them were laying on their sides with no apparent hope of recovering. I rushed over to check, and sure enough they were snapped off clean at the ground. Was it a microburst? They were loaded with young fruits that would now never mature. I’ll salvage what I can in the morning, I thought. The ducks were completely freaked out, and let us in on their disapproval of the situation right away. Who knows if everyone else is in the right place and secure, let alone dry.
That was one benefit of the storm tonight. We did get some rain. Not sure how much, but the ground felt alive under my bare feet as I moved about checking for any further damage. The first time since February it felt like that. It was a comforting feeling. But the uncertainty in my stomach gave me away. How can we prepare for an unpredictable climate when even the basics of self-reliance are mostly beyond our knowledge base? I guess I know now that a stake and tie are worthy time expenditures for my peppers, and by extension the similar crops that didn’t get laid down, like eggplants, and perhaps even okra. That’s a lot of extra effort and materials, but in a life or death situation it would be a no-brainer.
Good thing I already have bamboo in place and growing, but I wasn’t using it, and what’s next? What will Nature throw at the prepared to derail their preparations next? It’s as if the demise of the masses is a foregone conclusion, and Gaia is just trying to finish off the ones who get it too, just for good measure.
Friends of CFN, it’s not enough to know how to grow food without fossil energy subsidies. We really need the wisdom of experience to make it through. If the crash is ten years out still, spend that time getting to know the ins and outs of food, fiber, and fuel production. Because at this point I can promise there will be new and deadly lessons to learn every year. At least that’s been my experience so far.
Just passing along what I’m seeing for those who care…
DJ, so good to see you here again and read your words.
Since you last wrote I have bought land in South America (in the remote Andean Mountains). Fertile soil, beautiful people (I’m fluent in Spanish) and perfect weather.
In my future back yard I have mangos, papaya, bananas, plantain, mandarin oranges, etc. etc. etc. etc. and the stuff grows year round because I’m near the equator and the temperature is in the 70’s year round (“clima templado” ellos dicen)
I’m saving up to make the move but it may take a couple of years to make the break.
Oh, fringe benefit, my new South American country (which I am not going to name) has universal single payer national health care. The third world can manage it, but the USA cannot.
Gracias por empujarme a salir de los EEUU. Poco a poco. Ya casi.
Saludos y felicitaciones,
Asoka
What they now call MacAuthur Park is really Westlake Park. A beautiful park, a jewel of Los Angeles.
There were immigrants there even when I was a kid.
I remember going to a Bulgarian(?) restaurant a couple of blocks away from Westlake Park.
It was a house, but they had set up the living room with tables to feed people.
Now that I think about it, it was probably illegal.
Yes it may not have been all bad in the begining. They wanted to promote Anglo Saxon culture as epitomized by Tennyson’s poem Locksley Hall. I don’t agree with pressing it on the whole world but at least such a thing was not monstrous in its conception. Now though they have joined forces with the Jews and are doing all they can to suppress Whites and White culture. I’m reminded of Jim Jones: he did great work in the begining. And even Sauron the Great was once beautiful.
Question to your expertise: Is there an equivalent to Cornelius A Lapide as a Commentatator on the Old Testament? He is usually thought to be the greatest Commentator on the New Testament – is there an equivalent Commmentator and Commentary on the Old? Or did the Catholic Church never delve so deeply into these waters?
Yeah, that’s the downside to farming.
Locusts, storms, drought, it all sucks.
4 years ago, we had a very warm January followed by a cold February, followed by a warm April.
Everything bloomed and budded. Everything sprouted.
Then we had a hard freeze in April. April!
Not one piece of fruit that year, and the wheat was a goner too.
With global warming, this could happen again, and next time there probably won’t be fruit shipped from Chile to make up for it.
Nothing can beat the knowledge born of experience. Remember in Diamond’s book: the experts told the New Guineans to plant in horizontal rows against erosion on the slope. But their way was better – the furious rain run off washed the expert’s seedlings away. There was alot of knowledge like that.
America has become a nation of self loathing, sub-literates, whose only goals are to make it home for Cheez Curls and a night of mindless television.
The US has become the fattest nation out of all the industrialized nations. They are fat, and self-hating. Their unconscious must realize that their lives are stuck in dead end ruts filled with road blocks.
Walmart has become the prison store, and the shoppers are the prisoners. Walmart has sold Americans out for cheap labor in China. They have shut the jobs down in America forcing the average America to take jobs at lower pay, if they can find work.
Many Americas don’t feel they are worthy enough to rise up and fight back like those in Greece, and elsewhere are doing; so instead, they get another tattoo.
http://moontownshippa.blogspot.com
Recently the Bulgarian Prime Minister in a TV interview urged people to grow potatoes. Interesting. What would happen if Obama tells this to the Americans? On the other hand the same PM is proud that currently a lot of highway build-up is underway.
And according to Wikileaks it is even more interesting – http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=128625 .
Well at least the Bulgarian debt is maybe 10 or 15 times lower than Greek. Yet live in Greece is much better, for now.
4 years ago, we had a very warm January followed by a cold February, followed by a warm April.
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…We had no March that year.
“And what can you say about a people who slather mayonnaise on their French fries – apart from their amazing failure to discover the miracle of ketchup, despite being overrun by American GIs sixty-odd years ago – and speaking a language that nobody has ever written rock and roll song in.”
Having spent some time in this country I can honestly say that I understand their aversion to ketchup. The French-speaking half of course cater to culinary pretensions, so ketchup being the abomination of the American public is not even considered as an accoutrement to any food item, even the lowly frites. And you have never had mayonnaise as they possess: fresh from the farm and then roasted in the hot noonday sun. Quelle délicieux.
Word of the day: Decoupaged. Decoupage can turn any boring object into something fun!
“and speaking a language that nobody has ever written rock and roll song in.”
Believe me. Any song written and sung in Flemish would neither rock nor roll.
“and a more frightening gaggle of disfigured mutts I have never seen before.”
You’ve never seen the gathering at the annual State of the Union address?
“Has everybody in upstate New York only just been released from prison?”
Probably. So now there’s a few vacancies for the other throng alluded to above.
Asoka are you accepting donations to your emigration fund.
I decided to grow potatoes this year.
I planted quite a few, spending much time digging out land against the curve of the land, making swales to retain water.
Then we had 2 feet of rain in 10 days.
I tried digging drainage ditches from the potatoes, but the water didn’t want to drain.
One day I baled 8 buckets of water out of the potato patch, with a cup and bucket.
Now we’re having a drought.
“At least Elizabeth Pepys appears to have had no visible tatoos on her upper body.”
You got me thinking. I wonder if the Queen has a tattoo of the Union Jack where she sits?
“I am applying for a passport soon. Getting things in order. In case I want to make a break.”
Just got mine this week. Planning on going out of country next year to scout out possible Plan B.
Any song written and sung in Flemish would neither rock nor roll.
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Listen for yourself … not bad for a …
FLEMISH ROCK GROUP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csIriiIQMAU&feature=related
Sounds like Straight-Line Wind.
http://www.theweatherprediction.com/habyhints2/406/
Sorry about the peppers, but at least the cows o.k.. I think I had a little dust up with a micro-burst one time. I had a little patch of miniature corn. It was kind of an experiment. The stuff isn’t all that useful .. but I just wanted to see if I could grow it. It’s what I always head for at the local salad bar.
I was coming along quit nicely. 4 – 6 cute little cobs on each stock. We had some weather and I came home to find it squashed flat. As if someone had stepped on it. It was weird. Everything else was fine. I pounded in some of those metal fence posts, propped it all up and through a cord around it. Gave it a good water. Saved most of it.
Now, you DO have that storm cellar I keep asking about (and you keep ignoring that I ask about.) Did I mention I have occasional flashes of precognition?
Asoka are you accepting donations to your emigration fund.
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You are so very kind to offer. Your people were also so kind to bring my ancestors here … so I feel like Whites have done quite enough already.
I will feel so much better if I pay my own way out of this plantation prison.
Okay there’s this new trend among the facially tattooed… the big gauge ear “piercing”… have you seen this? What they do is stretch out their ears to look like Mr Rumbold in “Are you being served?”
They don’t look scary anymore… they look pitiful… what says “I don’t expect to get job opportunities” better than a tattooed face and stretched out jug ears.
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“I wonder if the Queen has a tattoo of a Union Jack where she sits.”
Probably not. But that’s just wild speculation on my part 🙂 .
Several of the royal males have / had tattoos. Especially the one’s who served in the Royal Navy. Something discreet that doesn’t how when in dress uniform.
Believe me. Any song written and sung in Flemish would neither rock nor roll.
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I am a fairly educated person yet somehow I have remained all my 70 years unaware that there is a European country named Flem.
ITS RUINED NOW!!!
Too many Immigrants from the wrong places.
Gangs run it………….MS / 18th st
90% immigrants or anchor baby generation.
Protests when a dangerous drunken wetback is shot…
Commission: Officer Acted Properly In Fatal Shooting Near …
Mar 15, 2011 … A Los Angeles police officer acted within department policy when he shot and killed a Guatemalan immigrant near MacArthur Park, the city Police Commission ruled today, prompting angry responses from the man’s relatives and activists who claim deadly force was unwarranted.
ACTIVISTS, YEAH.
Jims bike ride pictures were great. we like to travel to the north east when we can. We don’t find the small towns nearly as depressing as jhk does. A great combination of scenery, history and civilization compared to the south or west. Southerns are likely to think people up north are not friendly. We have always found that it is just the opposite. Jhk is right about the change in society, the tats are just a manifestation of societal degradation.
Ditto on the tattoo thing. Only time I thought of getting one was after a long night of drinking and then I never got so drunk I couldn’t ask myself, “what will it look like when I’m sober?” In my growing up days, the only GUYS (and only guys) who had tattoos were ex-military, and then it was only a small service branch tattoo to show they had been there and done that. And most of them looked scary to me, as JHK mentioned.
But the law clearly says: “You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or tattoo yourselves: I am the LORD.”
I think the tattoo trend today is just another expression of the lawlessness that exists in society.
“FLEMISH ROCK GROUP”
Rock? Ah, well more like a cabaret version of Flock of Seagulls. But not bad, lol.
BTW. Good luck to you and DJ gettin outa here. If rich Israelis are buying up all the land they can in Patagonia, there must be something down there besides gauchos and llamas. Maybe llama meat is kosher?
Went to a birthday party at Dufferin Grove Park over the weekend, was for my friend’s kid. At one point, I walked over to a woman who was busy throwing one of our party’s soccer balls in the air, apparently trying to entertain some of her kids. Before I could say anything, she goes:
“Oh, is this ball yours?”
“No”, I say, “It belongs to one of the boys who’s about to go home.” And I say this with as nice a smile as I can muster for the enormous/ugly/tattooed woman.
“Well,” she says. “Looks like it’s game over for us.” Not a smile, not a thank you, nothing.
Then I look at her party, and it’s nothing but enormous and/or ugly tattooed women and their rather depressed looking kids. Had to be at least six adults and six kids, not one fucking ball, hot Sunday in the park. Plenty of tats, though.
To all US citizens departing for countries where the grass appears to be greener, I recommend you carefully research the laws about drawing Social Security checks, pensions, and taking IRA and 401K distributions. The financial implications can be onerous. I read something a year or two ago that made it sound like the US was in certain respects like a Roach Motel, where you can check in but you can’t check out.
Where I’m going there is not a single tattoo to be found anywhere. Just fresh air, water, and people who work the earth and love the earth. And I’ll be able to walk out and harvest the avocados for free.
Sounds like paradise.
Thanks for the warning, Q. I have already visited and even in third world countries you can take a bus to a city or provincial capital, and guess what you find: ATM machines that work with debit cards from USA banks.
So. all I have to do is have my social security check direct deposited into my USA bank account.
Whenever I need money (which won’t be often with such a low cost of living) I can withdraw local currency as easily as I withdraw dollars here.
Sure, there is an international transaction charge (though not too much), so I’ll only be withdrawing once a month. But it works like a breeze. Perks of economic globalism.
When America falls, the Latin American economies will be ruined. Gringos, even Black ones, may not be welcome.
When America falls you will have many problems, the immigration won´t be one anymore.
But if you want to start again in another land I guess it would be very difficult to find a place where Americans are welcome, especially without money…
Conozco a la gente en el pais donde voy.
Confio en la existencia y no sufro de la paranoia que plaga a Ud.
The Flemish want their own Country but they are outnumbered by the French speaking Walloons. Their Nationalist Party, Vlams Blok was outlawed to prevent any bid for succesion. They are good people – loathe the EU, and the petty culture of French Bureacracy that is essential to it.
Puzzling it out – I know the people of the country where I’m going. I’m confident of my life and don’t suffer from the paranoia that plagues you. That’s not very nice.
Speak English so when I insult you, it will be accurate. I don’t want to say anything bad that’s not true.
I think our future lives will look a whole lot like the Amish lives of today and maybe we’ll be a whole lot better off.
On a side note: the Amish (well at least my Amish farmer) produce(s) some really incredible food. Why? because they’ve spent years invested in the most valuable commodity of all: soil.
They may only educate their young to 8th grade, but I can tell you from reading an animal-share agreement written by them, they are not stupid hicks. (I doubt most college grads could have written it). The lack of TV, radio, and internet gives them a lot of time to continue to educate themselves.
Yo soy un introvertido en Inglés
Yo soy una persona extrovertida en español, una persona completamente diferente.
Ud. es racista. Piérdete.
“It’s a darn shame, and I mean that literally, because this is exactly what the American public is so ashamed of, and why appeals to the repressed sense of shame based on hyper-patriotic bluster, are so successful.”
A better and more succinct way of saying this is simply: The Face of Fascism.
This is where the foundation of fascism lays. And this is what we now have, a corporate-fascist state.
As for Europe, you will be very surprised how Europe rises quickly from what you perceive to be the abyss, into the King of the Western World. Watch for it, it’s coming quickly. While the USA continues to sink into the quicksand of it’s own making.
Sarah Palin is merely the epitome of what this country has become. It is, indeed, disgraceful and sad.
11. Tattooed people are far more likely to play golf than chess.
WOW! Palin was demoted from being Hitler to being just an elected official…a dull bureaucrat. WHat a difference a week makes. I generally like JHK and would not want him to go down that dark path of crazy leftists that see a Nazi in every nine year old holding up an anti-abortion placard.
I know JHK is far too proud to ever issue an apology…but I think this toning down is the closest he’ll ever get to one.
You can think yourself into problems and out of problems, you can’t think yourself into problems and you can’t think yourself out of problems, etc. Thought is the problem, thought creates all kinds of fake problems, you just have to exist, no action and reaction, no feeling, no nothing, and all of your problems are solved, and in fact I prefer NOTHING from anything else, nothing is my friend, I prefer nothing. NOTHING is the answer. Isn’t pyschoanalysis a method of trying “to think yourself out of problems” ? And the same way you think yourself into problems, just use the same path to think yourself out of problems (or any path will do, thought is just a path that thinks it is reaching targets and associates them to satisfaction, conclusions, feelings, whatever, but it is a process never reaching any (imaginary) target and never even starting or ending, just a process without any goal or any direction, a total failure and a clunker of a device: kill the device, KILL THOUGHT), after all just invert the direction, it is all just a sequence of symbols and meanings which are just denotations, abstractions, non existing. If thought creates the problem, then change thought. The structure of thought: modified minds will do away with thought, even though it seems so totalizing and the absolute reference system of all of our existence, but thought is just a one transistor circuit, a one bit universe: we need trillion bit universes and circuits.
Our mind creates problems because it creates targets, imaginary targets to reach, wants change, wants something different, but why want anything different ? Why assign something better or worse when reality is all the same, only how we are programmed creates the difference, but the program (how a configuration of Matter is associated to feelings, happiness or sadness, to achievement, to what others assign it as being and how they feel (although you can’t ever really know or touch what they feel, and they may all be fake robots anyways, go figure)) is a quirk, arbitrary, is meaningless and has no value, only our hardwired pain/pleasure circuits give meanings to things, but that circuit is just a design, just one of a trillion possible designs: change the design and you have changed everything and can potentially achieve everything.
Think yourself into a new problem, and think yourself out of a problem. I prefer NOTHING.
“Now, you DO have that storm cellar I keep asking about (and you keep ignoring that I ask about.) Did I mention I have occasional flashes of precognition?”
I don’t have one. Sorry I’ve ignored your question, but it just kept slipping through the cracks, and I’m probably a little embarrassed to be so ill-prepared on the matter. Not sure what we would do. There’s a low cypress strand about 30 vertical feet below the house elevation nearby, which is as good a topo break as you’ll find in south Georgia. We could hide out down there and probably get soaked with screaming children. If we saw a twister heading straight at the house in time to do so. I’m encouraged that the house is 90-ish years old and still in good shape, through all the tropical storms and sporadic tornadoes we get ’round here, but Mother Nature seems to be stepping up her extermination plans every year. A fair portion of my farming neighbors’ “topsoil” is lying around on our floor and furniture, and gumming up the keyboard I’m typing on. As if this sandy shit really has an effect on fertility. Without the fossil fuel subsidy they aren’t going to be growing much of anything in these fields.
But the upshot of that is that our regenerative methods are getting a lot of attention. The email interview I just did with the local paper is turning into a full-blown article in the annual special Agriculture insert that appears in several local papers here pretty soon. The reporter pushing this is warning us to get our media affairs in order before the coming storm of interest. Not sure my blog is front-line material in the religious south.
We’ll work on violent storm preparations. In the meantime I need to go stake my remaining veggies and get some new ones started…dammit.
Reading the first line of Spider’s lunacy above, which is about as much as I ever get through, I’m remembering a good quote I saw yesterday:
You can’t think yourself into a new way of living, but you can live yourself into a new way of thinking.
I like that a lot.
Thanks for reminding me of that Diamond story about the New Guineans. I had forgotten about that. You know, because it’s been a whole year since I read Guns, Germs, and Steel. Sheesh. If I could just remember everything I’ve already read I’d probably be in good shape!
I’m really trying to let the landscape be the textbook, but there is always so much cultural bias to overcome. That’s why I spend so much energy trying to get people to grow their own food, while there is still a cushion for failure. And I’m so glad when people share their experiences with me too. Like Wage’s March-less year. That’d put a kink in my garden schedule for sure.
“We could hide out down there and probably get soaked with screaming children.”
Ouch! This sentence could probably use a comma after ‘soaked’. Sort of an Eats, Shoots, and Leaves thing, isn’t it?
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=175489
Uh, ooh spelling correction. Guess were the error was game again!
In the first paragraph of this thread.
“I am a bit like those ex-christians that believed, all of their lives in a kind of religion, a kind of objective, external reality, rules and models of reality shared and believed by everyone, or most, or anyways some kind of objective truth, rules that we should abide to, an aggregation and serialization of results (just like in religions, be good and you will be rewarded, etc.), but then discover it was all a lie, a huge deception, there is nothing only crap in people, outside of people and everywhere, no god exists, no nothing, the world is totally meaningless, has nothing to say to us and we have nothing to say to it, there is nothing that has to be communicated to us, no metaphysical or spiritual truth, no beauty, no value, a total void, zero, empty, undefined, barren, boring, no need for any communication, you simply live, life is a bitch, eat drink and be merry and then you die, end of story.
Only in my case I kind of believed in the Economy, the system, it progresses, Capitalism goes forward, it is for the better good, it defeated Communism, etc. Nothing further from the truth, no religion has ever been more false than this one.
Economy only exists in terms of people interacting and mostly fighting, it is a constantly unstable system and will be unstable forever, there is no aggregate value being produced, no lasting result only power struggles, some win, some lose, always changing and never really producing lasting collective results. Except in the form of technical advancements that optimize many processes and imply less labor needed, no matter what, this is probably the only real collective aggregated value being produce. We are producing “the end of labor” and “the end of labor needed” more than anything else, and this is in fact the great deception of Economy, as all of the economists want you to believe that it has rules that favor “society” or that well run economies generate “wealth for everyone and jobs” etc. ”
on another note from:
http://kunstler.com/blog/2011/06/the-creeping-nausea-of-american-exceptionalism.html
Kunstler doesn’t like tatoos, but that is just a “statement”, someone wants to make a statement, wants to oppose something, but oppose especially a contrasting Will Power, another mind that is supposed to judge and be “critical” and contrast this. But the object generating the contrast is really not important, it is the fascination with the actual fact that Will Powers contrast that is interesting and always repeating, and the contrasting minds find interesting and obsessive and constantly intriguing: and the contrasting Will Powers will study and debate and analyze and all sorts of things over the object of the contrast, will be fascinated and studying this object, in this case the tatoos, forever, when the real fascination is only with the fact that contradictions exists, that we are always contradicting each other, and we are trying to study it away, we are trying to figure it out by studying the object of contention, when that is just a place holder, an excuse for that which really fascinates us forever and forces us to think and debate and contrast others: and namely that we are contradiction, fight, A against B, and this is Metaphysical in nature, cannot be thought away, cannot be analyzed away or studied or debated away, you can’t think yourself out of the rigid prison of a universe that is contradictory in nature, where the real principle of the universe is the principle of contradiction, everything is itself and not itself simultaneously and not…
You can’t think yourself out of problems no matter how hard you try. You can always think yourself out of any problem since all problems exist only within the reference system of thought itself (thought being a monolithic – totalizing slab). You can think yourself into all kinds of problems but you can’t think yourself out of any problems. You can’t think yourself into any problems, but you can think yourself out of all problems. How I love to contradict myself, now go on, contradict me, tell me I am wrong.
Uh, ooh, spelling error correction for “the spelling error correction” again (infinite recursion anyone ?).
Now, guess where the spelling error game was again, little Suzy and Ryan!
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=175489
Uh, ooh spelling correction. Guess where the error was game again!
In the first paragraph of this thread.
“I am a bit like those ex-christians that believed, all of their lives in a kind of religion, a kind of objective, external reality, rules and models of reality shared and believed by everyone, or most, or anyways some kind of objective truth, rules that we should abide to, an aggregation and serialization of results (just like in religions, be good and you will be rewarded, etc.), but then discover it was all a lie, a huge deception, there is nothing only crap in people, outside of people and everywhere, no god exists, no nothing, the world is totally meaningless, has nothing to say to us and we have nothing to say to it, there is nothing that has to be communicated to us, no metaphysical or spiritual truth, no beauty, no value, a total void, zero, empty, undefined, barren, boring, no need for any communication, you simply live, life is a bitch, eat drink and be merry and then you die, end of story.
Only in my case I kind of believed in the Economy, the system, it progresses, Capitalism goes forward, it is for the better good, it defeated Communism, etc. Nothing further from the truth, no religion has ever been more false than this one.
Economy only exists in terms of people interacting and mostly fighting, it is a constantly unstable system and will be unstable forever, there is no aggregate value being produced, no lasting result only power struggles, some win, some lose, always changing and never really producing lasting collective results. Except in the form of technical advancements that optimize many processes and imply less labor needed, no matter what, this is probably the only real collective aggregated value being produce. We are producing “the end of labor” and “the end of labor needed” more than anything else, and this is in fact the great deception of Economy, as all of the economists want you to believe that it has rules that favor “society” or that well run economies generate “wealth for everyone and jobs” etc. ”
on another note from:
http://kunstler.com/blog/2011/06/the-creeping-nausea-of-american-exceptionalism.html
Kunstler doesn’t like tatoos, but that is just a “statement”, someone wants to make a statement, wants to oppose something, but oppose especially a contrasting Will Power, another mind that is supposed to judge and be “critical” and contrast this. But the object generating the contrast is really not important, it is the fascination with the actual fact that Will Powers contrast that is interesting and always repeating, and the contrasting minds find interesting and obsessive and constantly intriguing: and the contrasting Will Powers will study and debate and analyze and all sorts of things over the object of the contrast, will be fascinated and studying this object, in this case the tatoos, forever, when the real fascination is only with the fact that contradictions exists, that we are always contradicting each other, and we are trying to study it away, we are trying to figure it out by studying the object of contention, when that is just a place holder, an excuse for that which really fascinates us forever and forces us to think and debate and contrast others: and namely that we are contradiction, fight, A against B, and this is Metaphysical in nature, cannot be thought away, cannot be analyzed away or studied or debated away, you can’t think yourself out of the rigid prison of a universe that is contradictory in nature, where the real principle of the universe is the principle of contradiction, everything is itself and not itself simultaneously and not…
You can’t think yourself out of problems no matter how hard you try. You can always think yourself out of any problem since all problems exist only within the reference system of thought itself (thought being a monolithic – totalizing slab). You can think yourself into all kinds of problems but you can’t think yourself out of any problems. You can’t think yourself into any problems, but you can think yourself out of all problems. How I love to contradict myself, now go on, contradict me, tell me I am wrong.
I can just see Soak sitting around with his old school headphones on, listening to his new Rosetta Stone CD.
Donde esta la biblioteca?
I feel a strong urge to cut and paste a Wikipedia article over at CFN;)
Try not to be so judgmental.
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Jammer,
Following are 10 guesses about Americans with tattoos for which I have absolutely no proof but I toss them out on the table as a starting point for discussion (maybe Asoka can locate data to confirm or refute):
1. Employed people (both men and women) with 2 or more visible tattoos on the face, neck, head, arms, hands, and/or legs earn 25% to 50% less on average than non-tattooed people.
2. Non-tattooed people have significantly higher levels of education.
3. Unemployment is much higher among tattooed people.
4. Percentage wise, far more tattooed people have served jail time than non-tattooed.
5. There are more illegitimate children born to tattooed women over 17 years old.
6. Alcohol and drug abuse is more prevalent among tattooed people.
7. IQs of tattooed people are 15 or more points lower than non-tattooed people.
8. There are no tattooed Nobel prize recipients.
9. There are no non-tattooed motorcycle mechanics in the US.
10. Tattooed people are far more likely to shoot pool than play golf
Q,
I noticed your lack of scholarly references to your analysis. Maybe this relates to #2 or #7? You must be tattooed, yes? My daughter has a small literary quotation on the underside of her wrist. “I want I want”. Graduated Mount Holyoke College. Suma Cum Laude 2009. I would much rather shoot pool than play golf any day. Much cheaper. No tats on me.
“Then we had 2 feet of rain in 10 days.
I tried digging drainage ditches from the potatoes, but the water didn’t want to drain.
One day I baled 8 buckets of water out of the potato patch, with a cup and bucket.
Now we’re having a drought.”
See what I mean? Gaia is pissed! My potatoes were so bad this season that I probably got back fewer than I planted! I’m keeping my fingers crossed for plenty of sweet potatoes. And my spaghetti squash are tearing it up…
WageL, too bad about yer ‘Taters’. I planted potatoes, too, for the first time, with the help and encouragement of my Costa Rican Texas guests in May. So far, so good.
To all of you who are talking about emigrating out of the US for greener pastures; not necessary. We have our own (new) nation right here, a nation within a nation, called CFNation. We already have a President and a Cabinet, with more appointments to come, a community of like-minded, intelligent people, mostly liberal but some conservative, who care about the future and are concerned about the present. So stay here and become part of it.
It can’t be easy for an American to take up residence in a third-world, Spanish speaking country. Anybody here familiar with the communist author B. Traven, from Chicago, (The Death Ship) or Malcolm Lowry’s ‘Under the Volcano’. Both wrote pretty good accounts of what can happen to Yankees or Brits who take up residence in Latin America. Not all of it is good, as Hemingway also found out.
JackieB, was i right, were you one of those California Honey Blonds of our dreams? You never answered.
OzoneP, did you text me?
-Marlin
“Almost everyone there lives in some kind of delusion.”
Everyone here has at least one cherished delusion, or we wouldn’t still be here. Burn your delusions.
Well, headed out with my metal detector, to some long forgotten, 17th century toll stations along the Farmington River, see if I can find anything worthwhile.
Later, Marlin
All I know is what Wikipedia tells me, not having a copy of The Catholic Encyclopedia, and what they tell me is that Lapide commented on every book of scripture except for The Book of Job and the psalms.
Very ingenious list. I would also add:
THE HEAVILY TATTOOED ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE SITTING ON DEATH ROW WAITING TO BE PUT TO SLEEP LIKE DOGS.
THE HEAVILY TATTOOED ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE GOING TO NIGHT SCHOOL TO GET THEIR G.E.D.. [smarter people can get their GED simply by showing up to take the test w/o bothering to study!].
SAILORS WITH A ROOSTER TATOOED ON ONE FOOT AND A PIG ON THE OTHER ARE LESS LIKELY TO DROWN ACCORDING TO THE CHINESE.
SAILORS WITH A SINGLE SMALL TASTEFUL SANCTIMONIOUS TATTOO WITH THE ENSCRIPTION “THE SEA IS LIFE” ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE ANNOYING ASSHOLES WHO WASHED OUT OF THE SEAL TEAMS BEFORE ATTENDING SUBMARINE SCHOOL.[knew someone like that once who was a hopeless officer’s ass kissing lifer dog]
THE HEAVILY TATTOOED ARE MORE LIKELY TO APPEAR IN A QUENTIN TARANTINO MOVIE AS A DRESS EXTRA.
THE HEAVILY TATTOOED ARE MORE LIKELY TO DECORATE THE ENTIRE ASS END OF THEIR VEHICLES WITH BUMPER STICKERS PURCHASED AT HEADS SHOPS.
THE HEAVILY TATTOOED ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE ASKED BY POLICE DURING TRAFFIC STOPS “DO YOU MIND IF I SEARCH YOUR VEHICLE?”
ALSO:
THE HEAVILY TATTOOED ARE MORE LIKELY TO LIVE IN A SINGLE WIDE MOBILE HOME.
THE HEAVILY TATTOOED ARE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE FORGOTTEN ALL THOSE STRAY CANNABIS SEEDS STREWN AROUND ON THE FLOOR OF THEIR VEHICLE WHEN THEY RESPOND TO THE TRAFFIC COP’S REQUEST TO SEARCH THEIR VEHICLE BY FALSELY ASSERTING “THAT’S PERFECTLY OKAY OFFICER BECAUSE I AIN’T GOT NOTHIN’ TO HIDE.
THE HEAVILY TATTOOED ARE LESS LIKELY TO KNOW THAT THEY CAN DEMAND A SEARCH WARRANT AND REFUSE REQUESTS TO SEARCH THEIR VEHIICLE.
THE HEAVILY TATTOOED ARE MORE LIKELY TO GET BUSTED FOR POSSESSION OF POT.
WOMEN DRESSED AS NUNS NEVER GET BUSTED FOR POT, EVEN IF THEY REALLY AREN’T NUNS.
Correction to above:
SOMETIMES WOMEN DRESSED AS NUNS DO GET BUSTED FOR POT BUT ONLY IF IT’S HALLOWEEN AND THEY’RE MAKING OUT IN PUBLIC WITH A GUY DRESSED UP AS A PRIEST AND THE COP IS IRISH CATHOLIC.
BHMarc, What year in Sub School? i was there in 1976. Get this, one of the sailors in my class, from New Jersey, went on to become a Fleet Admiral. When I knew him he was an E-3. Incredible.
Also Joe Sestak, D Penn. House of Rep US Congress was my Division Officer on a DDG I was on. The Division (Nav) was Ensign Sestak, The Chief, a PO3, and me. He was a good guy, later went on to become and Admiral, too. He lost his race for US Senate on 08. In 2006 he invited me down for a visit to Washington.
-Marlin
Tripp said: “Donde esta la biblioteca? I feel a strong urge to cut and paste a Wikipedia article over at CFN;)”
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Good one, Tripp!
Actually I have been trying to help out Sarah Palin by changing Wikipedia articles on American history to conform with Palin’s version of events.
Somebody always changes them back to the historically accurate version.
Whatever happened to “Progress” ?
It used to be that people looked forward towards the future for better, improved, more possibilities, all kinds of possible improvements. And in fact the word “Scientist” was held in great respect, they were the high priests planning the future, bringing forth progress and a better future. Then, somewhere down the line, all kinds of reactionary Right Wing Thugs, Environmentalists who are so totally obsessed with that huge pile of crap they call “Nature” and so completely obsessed with that other boogie man called “overpopulation”, capitalists and puny small businesses – entrepreneurs, and just plain dumb folks, ignorant, craps, you name it simply decided TO KILL THE FUTURE. And plan for a new dark ages, nay, a new stone age as Kunstler’s World made by Hand (better known as Ape world of Man returning to Ape condition because he was a scaredy cat of the future, what total punks all of these people be!).
No more Rockets to Mars (we need trillions of these!), No more Skyscrapers (we need trillions of these! and remember to emphasize BIG numbers, to make a point, a make a statement, to make it clear that you are talking about BIG THINGS, change you can believe in BIG TIME), No more Cheap Rents and Free Salaries (we need trillions of these for thousands of trillions of people, all of them being Scientists and Technicians and Engineers, all of them with wildly Modified brains and Minds, and Mental Contraptions), No more Pride, Ambition, Goals, Collective Goals, Unity of Intent, MIND OVER MATTER, Super Consumption (to KILL AND DEMOLISH ALL AND EVERY POSSIBLE TRACE OF NATURE!) a kind of Super Nationalism, adoration and Worship for the Symbol and Symbols, (and of each of these we need trillions of these and as Intensity goes trillions of times more intense than the puny intensity of everyday life), etc.
On this website and so, so many others there is this huge constant thread of Overpopulation, we are “Too Many”, and all kinds of Racisms, We against them, etc. On overpopulation, there is nothing further from the truth, we can host thousands of trillions if the greens and tree huggers and environmentalists weren’t such selfish – egotistical slobs that want to hog it all up for themselves, not even noticing how selfish – egotistical and criminal they really are, all along thinking that they are right and correct and good, etc. What morons! the whole deal of overpopulation is a subtle device the rich and capitalists imposed to get a war going between poor people, to create resource “contention” when in fact there are no resource contentions, only rich and ruling class and capitalists that have set things up by design, that have planned this war between people from the outset, but everyone keeps on buying into overpopulation, there is not enough for everyone, etc.
And if people misbehave, they will be programmed accordingly, they will have some of their neural circuits changed (by computers, not by Man as Man is not reliable, too much of a slave to impulses and his Free Will and his never ending internal contradictions, unsatisfactions, confusions) and we must decompose that entity called Free Will in people so as people no longer contrast and fight each other. They become one unit, one monolithic block of Matter Saturating the Entire Universe with the “Power of Symbol Over Matter”, “Symbol Over the Laws of Physics”…
Now go little Ryan, go on little Betty, copy this all and bring it to your teacher, another A+ and GOLD star, go on San Jose Mommy, check it out, bring it to your Boss (or your husbands, or whoever supports you), you will get another raise, they will like it a lot, finally some direction in a world that has lost all possible directions.
And check out this Mental Contraption that fell from the Sun in Betty and Ryan’s backyard:
QII(//WII(//WOOO///////&&GJJJHKKK/////TTELLELLL=======
Whaow, what on earth is going on in there, honey bunch ? Wowo, that is really far out, I see all kinds of Mass to Thought converters, Aggregators to disaggregators, units to independence limit machines, wow, so much to discover and play around with. Betty and Ryan are going to have a ball today!
Quo Vadis ? baby …
Marlin said: “When I knew him he was an E-3. Incredible.”
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Why is it incredible? If you keep your nose clean, and obey orders, you can live off the government teat all your life, and live very comfortably. Your friend is probably playing golf, on DoD golf courses, at taxpayer expense.
In 1996, the weekly television series America’s Defense Monitor noted that “Pentagon elites and high government officials [were still] tee-ing off at taxpayer expense” at some “234 golf courses maintained by the U.S. armed forces worldwide.”
The navy, the army, the marine corps, all have golf courses. Take the Eaglewood Golf Courses at Langley Air Force Base in Virginia. In 2004, the Pentagon paid out more than $352,000 to George Golf Design to refurbish its two courses (known as “the Raptor” and “the Eagle”).
George Golf Design considerately worked on the courses one at a time, so that local duffers would not be left linkless. This was of critical importance since if both courses were out of commission, Virginia would have been left with only nine military golf facilities (navy, five; army,three; Marine Corps, one) with a total of fourteen courses.
Uh, ooh, spelling error again! Find where the error is game, go for it little Betty!!
Whatever happened to “Progress” ?
It used to be that people looked forward towards the future for better, improved, more possibilities, all kinds of possible improvements. And in fact the word “Scientist” was held in great respect, they were the high priests planning the future, bringing forth progress and a better future. Then, somewhere down the line, all kinds of reactionary Right Wing Thugs, Environmentalists who are so totally obsessed with that huge pile of crap they call “Nature” and so completely obsessed with that other boogie man called “overpopulation”, capitalists and puny small businesses – entrepreneurs, and just plain dumb folks, ignorant, craps, you name it simply decided [b]TO KILL THE FUTURE. [/b]And plan for a new dark ages, nay, a new stone age as Kunstler’s World made by Hand (better known as Ape world of Man returning to Ape condition because he was a scaredy cat of the future, what total punks all of these people be!).
No more Rockets to Mars (we need trillions of these!), No more Skyscrapers (we need trillions of these! and remember to emphasize BIG numbers, to make a point, to make a statement, to make it clear that you are talking about BIG THINGS, change you can believe in BIG TIME), No more Cheap Rents and Free Salaries (we need trillions of these for thousands of trillions of people, all of them being Scientists and Technicians and Engineers, all of them with wildly Modified brains and Minds, and Mental Contraptions), No more Pride, Ambition, Goals, Collective Goals, Unity of Intent, [b]MIND OVER MATTER,[/b] Super Consumption (to [b]KILL AND DEMOLISH ALL AND EVERY POSSIBLE TRACE OF NATURE![/b]) a kind of Super Nationalism, adoration and Worship for the Symbol and Symbols, (and of each of these we need trillions of these and as Intensity goes trillions of times more intense than the puny intensity of everyday life), etc.
On this website and so, so many others there is this huge constant thread of Overpopulation, we are “Too Many”, and all kinds of Racisms, We against them, etc. On overpopulation, there is nothing further from the truth, we can host thousands of trillions if the greens and tree huggers and environmentalists weren’t such selfish – egotistical slobs that want to hog it all up for themselves, not even noticing how selfish – egotistical and criminal they really are, all along thinking that they are right and correct and good, etc. What morons! the whole deal of overpopulation is a subtle device the rich and capitalists imposed to get a war going between poor people, to create resource “contention” when in fact there are no resource contentions, only rich and ruling class and capitalists that have set things up by design, that have planned this war between people from the outset, but everyone keeps on buying into overpopulation, there is not enough for everyone, etc.
And if people misbehave, they will be programmed accordingly, they will have some of their neural circuits changed (by computers, not by Man as Man is not reliable, too much of a slave to impulses and his Free Will and his never ending internal contradictions, unsatisfactions, confusions) and we must decompose that entity called Free Will in people so as people no longer contrast and fight each other. They become one unit, one monolithic block of Matter Saturating the Entire Universe with the [b]”Power of Symbol Over Matter”, “Symbol Over the Laws of Physics”…[/b]
Now go on little Ryan, go on little Betty, copy this all and bring it to your teacher, another A+ and GOLD star, go on San Jose Mommy, check it out, bring it to your Boss (or your husbands, or whoever supports you), you will get another raise, they will like it a lot, finally some direction in a world that has lost all possible directions.
And check out this Mental Contraption that fell from the Sun in Betty and Ryan’s backyard:
QII(//WII(//WOOO///////&&GJJJHKKK/////TTELLELLL=======
Whaow, what on earth is going on in there, honey bunch ? Wowo, that is really far out, I see all kinds of Mass to Thought converters, Aggregators to disaggregators, units to independence limit machines, wow, so much to discover and play around with. Betty and Ryan are going to have a ball today!
Quo Vadis ? baby …
Uh, ooh, Forgot the BOLDS, and added some while I am at it, where is Freud when you need him ?
Whatever happened to “Progress” ?
It used to be that people looked forward towards the future for better, improved, more possibilities, all kinds of possible improvements. And in fact the word “Scientist” was held in great respect, they were the high priests planning the future, bringing forth progress and a better future. Then, somewhere down the line, all kinds of reactionary Right Wing Thugs, Environmentalists who are so totally obsessed with that huge pile of crap they call “Nature” and so completely obsessed with that other boogie man called “overpopulation”, capitalists and puny small businesses – entrepreneurs, and just plain dumb folks, ignorant, craps, you name it simply decided TO KILL THE FUTURE. And plan for a new dark ages, nay, a new stone age as Kunstler’s World made by Hand (better known as Ape world of Man returning to Ape condition because he was a scaredy cat of the future, what total punks all of these people be!).
No more Rockets to Mars (we need trillions of these!), No more Skyscrapers (we need trillions of these! and remember to emphasize BIG numbers, to make a point, a make a statement, to make it clear that you are talking about BIG THINGS, change you can believe in BIG TIME), No more Cheap Rents and Free Salaries (we need trillions of these for thousands of trillions of people, all of them being Scientists and Technicians and Engineers, all of them with wildly Modified brains and Minds, and Mental Contraptions), No more Pride, Ambition, Goals, Collective Goals, Unity of Intent, MIND OVER MATTER, Super Consumption (to KILL AND DEMOLISH ALL AND EVERY POSSIBLE TRACE OF NATURE!) a kind of Super Nationalism, adoration and Worship for the Symbol and Symbols, (and of each of these we need trillions of these and as Intensity goes trillions of times more intense than the puny intensity of everyday life), etc.
On this website and so, so many others there is this huge constant thread of Overpopulation, we are “Too Many”, and all kinds of Racisms, We against them, etc. On overpopulation, there is nothing further from the truth, we can host thousands of trillions if the greens and tree huggers and environmentalists weren’t such selfish – egotistical slobs that want to hog it all up for themselves, not even noticing how selfish – egotistical and criminal they really are, all along thinking that they are right and correct and good, etc. What morons! the whole deal of overpopulation is a subtle device the rich and capitalists imposed to get a war going between poor people, to create resource “contention” when in fact there are no resource contentions, only rich and ruling class and capitalists that have set things up by design, that have planned this war between people from the outset, but everyone keeps on buying into overpopulation, there is not enough for everyone, etc.
And if people misbehave, they will be programmed accordingly, they will have some of their neural circuits changed (by computers, not by Man as Man is not reliable, too much of a slave to impulses and his Free Will and his never ending internal contradictions, unsatisfactions, confusions) and we must decompose that entity called Free Will in people so as people no longer contrast and fight each other. They become one unit, one monolithic block of Matter Saturating the Entire Universe with the “Power of Symbol Over Matter”, “Symbol Over the Laws of Physics”…
Now go little Ryan, go on little Betty, copy this all and bring it to your teacher, another A+ and GOLD star, go on San Jose Mommy, check it out, bring it to your Boss (or your husbands, or whoever supports you), you will get another raise, they will like it a lot, finally some direction in a world that has lost all possible directions.
And check out this Mental Contraption that fell from the Sun in Betty and Ryan’s backyard:
QII(//WII(//WOOO///////&&GJJJHKKK/////TTELLELLL=======
Whaow, what on earth is going on in there, honey bunch ? Wowo, that is really far out, I see all kinds of Mass to Thought converters, Aggregators to disaggregators, units to independence limit machines, wow, so much to discover and play around with. Betty and Ryan are going to have a ball today!
Quo Vadis ? baby …
“Just passing along what I’m seeing for those who care…”
You remind me of Francis, except you hear more of the creatures. God bless.
Asoka, to go from a Seaman to Fleet Admiral is pretty impressive, no?
-Marlin
Old/Spider6699 et al;
Dude, once again, WTF are you talking about?
-Marlin
“Or did the Catholic Church never delve so deeply into these waters?”
That boat don’t float.
I guess this BLOG’s name fits. So in 2011 we learn that people who sport tatoos are either self absorbed that need to be marked “special” beyond the identity their cranium’s can muster for self or so short of self esteem they copy their peers acts of idiocy.
The the mental midget who fashions himself a philosopher goes all racial this – racial that and make the whole boat stink.
Back to the comics, this ain’t happening.
“I think the tattoo trend today is just another expression of the lawlessness that exists in society.”
Bingo.
Uh ooh, another spelling error in the “spelling error correction”, another infinite recursion, why is everything an infinite recursion for me!?!
Go see if you can find it Betty, go man go, like a nice little girly, go for it!
Uh, ooh, Forgot the BOLDS, and added some while I am at it, where is Freud when you need him ?
Whatever happened to “Progress” ?
It used to be that people looked forward towards the future for better, improved, more possibilities, all kinds of possible improvements. And in fact the word “Scientist” was held in great respect, they were the high priests planning the future, bringing forth progress and a better future. Then, somewhere down the line, all kinds of reactionary Right Wing Thugs, Environmentalists who are so totally obsessed with that huge pile of crap they call “Nature” and so completely obsessed with that other boogie man called “overpopulation”, capitalists and puny small businesses – entrepreneurs, and just plain dumb folks, ignorant, craps, you name it simply decided TO KILL THE FUTURE. And plan for a new dark ages, nay, a new stone age as Kunstler’s World made by Hand (better known as Ape world of Man returning to Ape condition because he was a scaredy cat of the future, what total punks all of these people be!).
No more Rockets to Mars (we need trillions of these!), No more Skyscrapers (we need trillions of these! and remember to emphasize BIG numbers, to make a point, to make a statement, to make it clear that you are talking about BIG THINGS, change you can believe in BIG TIME), No more Cheap Rents and Free Salaries (we need trillions of these for thousands of trillions of people, all of them being Scientists and Technicians and Engineers, all of them with wildly Modified brains and Minds, and Mental Contraptions), No more Pride, Ambition, Goals, Collective Goals, Unity of Intent, MIND OVER MATTER, Super Consumption (to KILL AND DEMOLISH ALL AND EVERY POSSIBLE TRACE OF NATURE!) a kind of Super Nationalism, adoration and Worship for the Symbol and Symbols, (and of each of these we need trillions of these and as Intensity goes trillions of times more intense than the puny intensity of everyday life), etc.
On this website and so, so many others there is this huge constant thread of Overpopulation, we are “Too Many”, and all kinds of Racisms, We against them, etc. On overpopulation, there is nothing further from the truth, we can host thousands of trillions if the greens and tree huggers and environmentalists weren’t such selfish – egotistical slobs that want to hog it all up for themselves, not even noticing how selfish – egotistical and criminal they really are, all along thinking that they are right and correct and good, etc. What morons! the whole deal of overpopulation is a subtle device the rich and capitalists imposed to get a war going between poor people, to create resource “contention” when in fact there are no resource contentions, only rich and ruling class and capitalists that have set things up by design, that have planned this war between people from the outset, but everyone keeps on buying into overpopulation, there is not enough for everyone, etc.
And if people misbehave, they will be programmed accordingly, they will have some of their neural circuits changed (by computers, not by Man as Man is not reliable, too much of a slave to impulses and his Free Will and his never ending internal contradictions, unsatisfactions, confusions) and we must decompose that entity called Free Will in people so as people no longer contrast and fight each other. They become one unit, one monolithic block of Matter Saturating the Entire Universe with the “Power of Symbol Over Matter”, “Symbol Over the Laws of Physics”…
Now go little Ryan, go on little Betty, copy this all and bring it to your teacher, another A+ and GOLD star, go on San Jose Mommy, check it out, bring it to your Boss (or your husbands, or whoever supports you), you will get another raise, they will like it a lot, finally some direction in a world that has lost all possible directions.
And check out this Mental Contraption that fell from the Sun in Betty and Ryan’s backyard:
QII(//WII(//WOOO///////&&GJJJHKKK/////TTELLELLL=======
Whaow, what on earth is going on in there, honey bunch ? Wowo, that is really far out, I see all kinds of Mass to Thought converters, Aggregators to disaggregators, units to independence limit machines, wow, so much to discover and play around with. Betty and Ryan are going to have a ball today!
Quo Vadis ? baby …
Take the useful events
For your tall.
Red mouth.
To hell with power and hate and war.
The mouth of a pretty girl …
The weather in the highest soul
Put the tips of your fingers
on a baby man;
Teach him to be beautiful.
To hell with power and hate and war.
Tell God that we like
The rain, the snow, the flowers,
And trees, and all things gentle and clean
That have growth on the earth.
White winds
Golden fields.
To hell with power and hate and war.
-Kenneth Patchen
Instructions for Angels
-Marlin
That’s one of the nicest things anyone has ever said to me. Thank you.
MD, that’s one of the nicest things anyone has ever said to me. Thank you for the compliment.
Marlin,
‘Tweren’t me texted you. (I don’t do da texting t’ing.) ;o) I’m a simple “phone call” kinda person.
Hey! What the fuck is up with the loooooong, loud, and ludicrous today!?
My klaxons [once again] are blatting out a warning: “Distractions; Bullshittery; Distractions; Pay no attention to that Kunstler behind the curtain; Leave blog; Nothing to see or read here; Run, Run, Run Away!”
I know it’s extreme, but why WOULDN’T those in thrall to the gummint propaganda machine concentrate a few [camo-clad] resources on destroying readership and considered commentary here (amongst the aware)? It would likely be a prime target in the program to dumb down the ‘Murkin “publick”, and keep us all hopelessly mired in ignorance (and thus, easily manipulated).
Don’t forget, we read Kunstler for entertaining takes on a decidedly grim reality. That’s how we can handle predicaments that can’t be “fixed”: we make a few dark jokes about it, and then move on to get busy with something that might actually build a bit of resilience. To those “in charge”, THAT is a dangerous thing, as it breeds independent thinking (and conversely, a lack of dependence on those who prey on the helpless… ummm, yer basic fascists).
Just as an aside, yer basic fascists are NOT illusory, that’s just what they’d have you think; they’re quite real and are throwing a small portion of their vast wealth into creating puppets and attendant brownshirts.
So much bullshittery (tm MM), so little time [for an empire in decline, racing for domination against the grinding wheels of collapse].
Its dark out, Jack
The stations out there don’t identify themselves
We’re in a raw-blind, like burned rats
Its running out
All around us
The footprints of the beast, on nobody has any notion of
The white and vacant eyes
Of something above there
Something that doesn’t know we exist
I smell heartbreak up there, Jack
A heartbreak at the center of things –
And in which we don’t figure at all.
-Kenneth Patchen
All the Roary Night
-Marlin
So to summarize: Worst drought in over 100 years causes water levels behind Three Gorges Dam to fall. Dam generators are a different elevations; as the water falls more get cut off. Hydropower production is cheap and completely domestic relative to coal and petroleum. The loss of hydropower therefore eliminates de-facto energy subsidies. Electric power producers have been regulated into becoming price takers but this loss of subsidies makes it impossible to continue producing. Minimal adjustments to the price of electricity are offset by coal shortages caused by crises in Australia, Mongolia, South Africa.
Meanwhile People’s Bank of China PBOC has been doing counter-QE2 cach injections and selling bond repurchases. Follow me on twitter to see this develop in realtime @babystrangeloop
So. all I have to do is have my social security check direct deposited into my USA bank account.
Whenever I need money … I can withdraw local currency as easily as I withdraw dollars here.
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WOW!! Clever idea. I’ll bet the IRS never thought of that. [sarcasm off]
We’ve been getting a preview of TLE with intermittent power outages today, and actually with some regularity since we’ve been here. Sorry for the double post.
Another provacative essay by Jim, last week’s essay had faint echoes of the “Book of Esther” from a torah studies viewpoint, this week is more reality based at least from an educated jew’s point of view of life at the place in society where the residents are not even on the bottom rung anymore.
Tatoos amongst whites IMO are mostly that of despair being displayed, whites have become Quee Queg from “Moby Dick”, too bad for them, I suggest they turn off the TV. If you spot a white person with tats and dreamcatcher paraphenalia you are looking at the lowest a white person can go before they might as well be reborn in a lower darker caste or a bug.
Non-whites do not need to read any further. Listen white people if you are feeling despair and you have the urge to ink up or buy a dreamcatcher from Chief Wannabe I suggest you turn off the TV and go fix something. Thank me later
– on the heartbreaks of agriculture-
Yeah, my mother’s dad bought an excellent piece of land in 1928. Not the most propitious year for land purchases in the deep South, btw.
He had one mule, one wife, one 12 year old daughter (my mom), one 14 year old son, and a 5 year old son. They had 50 acres planted in some corn, but mostly in cotton. Hardly any of us alive today can understand the work, sweat, and love that went into those fields. The corn was tasseling and the tiny cotton bolls were looking good.
Late one afternoon that week, a normal thundercloud came up in the distance. “Sounds like rain, we can sure use it.”
That’s the standard saying of farmers throughout the world, I believe, hoping for rain during dry weather.
But that cloud dropped enough hail on their fields to strip the bolls off the cotton and beat up the corn. They could tell by looking that they were not going to make a cotton crop that year. That meant that they were going to lose their new farm and all their year’s work.
– you talk about making the best of a bad situation –
My granddad put the kids to picking up hailstones from where they had gathered below the eves of the house. He mixed the hail with salt in an old galvanized bucket. They took some of their sweet fresh milk and cream, mixed it with sugar and some of my grandmother’s precious vanilla and poured it into glasses.
Ice cream was a rare treat in those days, in the rural South. My granddad said a Blessing over the ice cream, and they all celebrated that small joy together, before heading out to prop up and rescue what little remained of their crop.
Later that summer they had to back in with my great grandmother’s folks. They had no other options. You could always count on family in those days – sometimes that was about all you had to fall back on.
– a reading from the book of hard times –
It’s one world, baby, … GOG
No it ain’t. That’s a utopian view. The practical fact is that you can’t just cross borders without getting thrown in jail.
And weren’t you all immigrants too? – GOG
This question was directed at Vlad but it could be directed at anybody born on this continent. I don’t know about you GOG but I was born here and lived all my life here. I am not an immigrant. Canada is home and always has been. I have no memory of or loyalty to a foreign homeland or a foreign people.
Aboriginals have legitimate gripes but I can’t re-write history. I’m just as born here as they are. They are going to have to take the bull by the horns and better their own lot. The best we can do is to give them a hand up, to not impede them or screw them up worse.
I know they can do it because I’ve seen it done. My elementary school principal was an Indian. He was a fine fellow, a pillar of the community and his kids were part of the gang, always out with us playing baseball and street hockey. I’ve seen other examples also. My university roommate was 1/2 (or thereabouts) Cherokee by way of his American grandparents. He’s got a PHD in psychology and works as a clinical psychologist. It’s not always alcoholism and degradation for Aboriginals.
This will make Vlad cringe but I agree that racial inter-marriage/inter-breeding is a good thing. I think it’s good to give the human genome a good churn. Anyway human libido will do its thing. It always has. Vlad might as well curse the tides.
Given time the natural process of evolution will sort out the issue of skin colour based on the degree of solar radiation at different latitudes. As time passes the descendants of people in the northern latitudes will become lighter skinned or white regardless of their present day skin colour and the opposite for people further south. Again Vladdy, you might as well curse the tides.
I appreciate the cabinet appointment! So how do I get a CFN chapter assignment? Do you give them out? Do I get to list my cabinet position at the bottom of my posts, or is that considered bombastic, and to be kept at Post ID only?
Any chance I could reassign my position as Minister of Horticulture instead of Agriculture? Doesn’t sound as important to agrarian people, I know, but then, since agriculture depends on growth to operate, and its replacement-elect is something a lot more like horticulture, it’s really just the perception that needs to catch up.
To my mind, it’d be like I was an early Norse Christian and you wanted me to go by the title Minister of Paganism.
“Aboriginals have legitimate gripes but I can’t re-write history. I’m just as born here as they are. They are going to have to take the bull by the horns and better their own lot. The best we can do is to give them a hand up, to not impede them or screw them up worse.”
I wish more of us Canadians felt this way. Seems far too many are happy to let the aboriginals suffer, happy to see our elected governments dither away time, resources and responsibilities. We like to pat ourselves on the back here in Canada with our human rights posturing on the global scene, but our treatment of first nations people is gut-wrenchingly awful, shameful. And we wonder why things like Caledonia happen?
BrentMc:
Kunstler apparently got a bit wrong about Belgium. However, judging from your not refuting it, I gather that the mayonnaise thing is accurate.
Thus, Kunstler’s most damning indictment of the Belgians stands.
Regarding American exceptionalism:
Someone should write a treatise on the various forms of folly that originate in American exceptionalism:
1). The notion of the constitutional fundamentalists that if you simply adhere to the principles of our Constitution, you are immune from the laws of physics and nature.
2). The notion of the neocons that you can transplant Jeffersonian Democracy with some troops and cheeze doodles.
3). The notion of the progressives that you can allow unrestricted immigration without creating a Soylent Green style dystopia.
Interestingly, all major political factions in the US employ exceptionalism in order to prop up their ludicrous agendas.
Yeah and remember the stand off at Oka?
There’s atoning to be done but where to start? How do you re-set the clocks? It’s a hard thing to unravel a five hundred year old calamity.
And I think that while Harper was issuing apologies for the shitty treatment of native kids in those residential schools he might have gone further. But while saying “sorry” is a start how does it help a multitude of de-railed lives?
I really hate to paraphrase Reagan(?) here but I think that this is one place where govt really isn’t the solution, govt is the problem. It just helped to perpetuate and sustain an awful mess.
So what to do with these “First Nations”? This system we have isn’t working. I think that they have to get out into wider society and look after themselves. Make a new start. I think it’s the only way forward for them.
“I think that they have to get out into wider society and look after themselves. Make a new start. I think it’s the only way forward for them.”
I’m inclined to agree with you here, however many first nations councils, tribes, etc. seem to still want a degree of self-governance. I guess this would be a version of the reservation system, only better? I don’t really have a problem with that either, but having them so beholden to gov’t hand-outs is a lose-lose: they never really get off their feet as a community, and the rest of Canadians tend to resent them for their “privileges.” Of course, they often have unpotable drinking water…
Great story Prog. And maybe that is why your grandad was able to fabricate a moment of ice-cream in the midst of a catastrophe – your family had a safety net. But wow, talk about experiencing the hard reality of nature; I’m not sure a pink slip from the office could deliver such visceral impact.
Hey Jim, good post. You wrote: “I stopped at a convenience store at the edge of the Adirondack Mountains on Saturday afternoon and a more frightening gaggle of disfigured mutts I have never seen before.”
This seems to be happening everywhere now. I ride (cycling) a lot in WI, and was just there over the weekend. We stop at a lot of gas stations / mini marts, and you’ll see the same type of folks. But, also very fat, smokers, tats, dirty clothes. Plus, a lot of these poor bastards, buy their food at these crappy stores, if you can call it real food.
Another thing I noticed, they like to leave the cars running, while they’re in the store. WTF?
Sorry, this country is fucked!
I think I have to agree with Max Keiser, when he says Americans are stupid, most anyway.
Race horses are largely descended from Arabian Horses. But those horses are very small and to improve size and THEREFORE speed, they very carefully bred them with larger European horses – always trying to keep the Arabian genes for speed paramount. Your idea of willy nilly mixing is just a recipe for dysgenics or disaster – like putting an Arabian with an old nag. Miscegenation is good? For who? For what? Good for the Goverment? Yes, because they don’t want a high level citizenry to call them to account.
Because we aren’t animals, we can say no to our instincts. This pays dividends in our lives. Saying no to sex with people from the Tropics means that our descendants will tend to be smart and prosperous. And they will rule the descendants of those who could not say no to this forbiden pleasure. All of Latin America and Brazil bears witness to my words.
Just because you are an out breeder doesn’t mean you have argue for it. Are you trying to justify it after all these years? You married a person of a high IQ race. If you had children, the forgoing would not apply, but there would be other social problems – alienation, lack of cohesion. Society can bear a few people who did as you did, but not too many. I’m fine with some mixing in port cities or border cities. But everywhere? And to make that the official ideology? Such heterogenity is the death of any culture.
“This will make Vlad cringe but I agree that racial inter-marriage/inter-breeding is a good thing.”
Your time frame and goals {or lack thereof} will bite you in the ass. One generation – hybrid vigor – two generations – perhaps sterility – perhaps worse.
Of course this depends also on how pure of stock you start with. Then you have to consider multiple offspring. The firstborn might be a fine specimen of flesh, after that things go different.
Telegony has its limits.
When you start talking about humans, like I am now, you must consider cultural contributions of both parents which will probably produce confusion and chaos. This is the prize of assimulationists since confused people are easier to manage with fear, loneliness and threats of hunger.
Hello to all the smart folks here. Not sure if this is the right forum for such a question; there seems to be a lot of “let me prove just how much more intelligent I am than you” going on, but I’d really like to learn what some of the advice for escaping this increasingly ridiculous country are. Where to move? How to make oneself economically viable in a land not dependent on the American dollar, etc. I know these are broad questions, but a simple starting point I think.
Thanks
I remember reading a diary of an early North Dakota resident.
They worked all summer and had fields of wheat ready to harvest, when a thunderstorm came and destroyed the entire crop.
Some of my potatoes drowned, but some survived.
The corn field next door was flooded, but it looks like most of it survived. I don’t know what the yields will be.
Weirdly, there is about a 20 acre field down the street that no one has planted yet.
Something fishy is going on here. Last year, they suddenly started building houses on a soybean field and didn’t even bother harvesting it, just bulldozed it.
Eventually they put up a sign, bragging the the Illinois Housing Development and President Barack Obama were responsible. For the travesty.
Now they have open house signs and balloons up, but I don’t see a lot of people clamoring to live there.
They are out in a field, with no trees, no awnings over the south windows and half of them have air conditioners on the south side of the house.
Who the hell approved those plans?
Official Field Memorandum
CFNation HQ
06/07/2011
Dept of Agriculture hereby changed to Dept of
Horticulture.
Minister of Horticulture, Trippticket, Georgia, USA, CFNation.
Signed,
Marlin, Chief of Staff
Tripp talks about genetic resistance to some diseases, smallpox, for instance.
National Geographic had an article once about alcohol, and how almost every culture had some form of it.
But, apparently, the North American aborigines didn’t.
We are told that they traded their land for beads, but I read a fascinating book about the history of the US, as seen through the production of rum. (Which, by the way, for the Navy guys here, mentioned how the right of grog for the British Navy came about).
Anyway, beads soon lost their appeal for the Native Americans, and not much else appealed to them, self-sufficient as they were.
But alcohol! They stripped the streams of beaver for bottles of rum.
This upset the sober elders among them, but appeals to white traders on moral grounds didn’t get very far.
Go figure.
I’m just wondering why alcohol seems to wreak such havoc on native communities to this day.
Maybe they need to interbreed with stock that have been drinking for centuries.
“The notion of the constitutional fundamentalists that if you simply adhere to the principles of our Constitution, you are immune from the laws of physics and nature.”
I wouldn’t stop there. Immunity from any higher Law isn’t even claimed, much less expected. The principles of the Constitution build upon the principles of {all} higher Law which is why the founders made explicit notice that this Constitution would only work {perform – ie: actually serve as protection for} a moral people.
Lose the morality and adherence to higher Law and you lose the protections of a Republic, a nation of Laws.
Glad I came back this morning. On the subject of Canada’s aboriginal population, it’s obvious that Cash and TorontoBound have put some thought into the whole issue. So have I. We’ve got a reserve just twenty miles north of town and the kids from there came to town for school so we all hung out together.
Many years later in my working life I had native clients fighting denials of disability pensions and learned from them that the kids I went to school with were also going really North for hunting trips with their fathers and grandfathers. They were learning the art of trapping along with their hunting skills. I had a client who was teaching his ten year old son religious rituals in a special place on their tiny piece of reserve land.
So even as they were well integrated into the mainstream they treasured and practised some of their ancient rituals, keeping their culture alive. And they have every right to do that, just as much as the Scots who next weekend in our town will have their annual Highland Games with grown men in skirts heaving giant twenty foot logs into the air.
The answer to the question of native rights, land claims and redress of past injustices lies beyond my knowledge. For the natives living in our North, without drinking water and proper accommodation for many years, we can’t afford to just let Nature take its course, or to let governments keep dicking them around.
I still say it’s all one world, and who cares what part of the world a person came from? When you steer clear of thoughtless generalizations about whole groups of people and treat each person you encounter with respect, the world becomes much less frightening and we can all move forward without mindless hatred.
I’m not exactly sure what you’re trying to argue. Native Americans are somehow predisposed genetically to ruining their heritage and lives due to alcohol? Interesting, but where can I find the evidence?
That gulch sounds promising. I feel better. Hope it’s not too far from the house.
There was a picture from the Alabama tornados where 2 feet of soil and turf had been stripped right out of the path of the tornado. Unvbeleivable 🙂 power.
I hope some people will pay attention to your media splash. Some of the old foogies will bad mouth you to the high heavens, and then quietly slip by to see how things are going.
Is there a consensus about how soon economic collapse will shut down this country. Is it going to happen within a year, or, will it take another 10, 20, or thirty years. How to predict such a thing?
I hear that “think, live, live think” quote a lot from my AA buddies. Don’t know if it’s from *THE* Big Book, or not. There’s also a large body of oral wisdom that floats around those tables.
The little simple sayings and aphorisms drive you crazy. Usually, because they are so simple assed, but true.
Re: Screaming children. LOL. Reminded me of the movies “Jurassic Park” and the newer “War of the Worlds.” Screaming kids through the whole damn thing. After awhile, I’m thinking to myself “Feed ’em to the dinosaurs!” “Throw them to the aliens!”
But then, I’m childless, myself, which probably colors my outlook.
Farmer John stopped by the other day. I got my CSA box from him last year. Not this year. 1.) I don’t have the money 2.) They didn’t spend a dime in my store. A 90 cent Louis L’Amour would have made all the difference in the world.
Any-who. Farmer John announced that his wife is pregnant, again. I think it’s their 5th. 6th? I couldn’t resist tweaking him, a bit. “Now, John, you’re a farmer. You DO know where those things come from, don’t you?” I thought they’d stop, once he got his boy. Maybe they’re some of those Full Quiver folks. Delicacy prevents one from enquiring too closely.
a great and true post.
The United States is in debt to the tune of nearly a half-million dollars per citizen. Now that’s not per worker or income earner – that is per citizen – including the unemployed.
Just that fact alone suggests that certain default (or hyperinflation) is on the horizon. Just how in Sam hill can average Joe (and each of his children) pay off $500K of debt and still eat? Oh yes, let’s not forget to throw 15 percent unemployment into the equation. I don’t see any way around it but default. Doesn’t look rosy, that’s for sure.
On a brighter note, recently got an unplanned test run of how our solar system will assist us during the phase of peak oil when the electricity grid goes down intermittently and then for good. We had six days without electricity over a large portion of North Alabama due to tornados (another Long Emergency issue). We were the only residence with lights – inside and out – in a large swath of total darkness. I think our friends and neighbors who we invited hang out in our home during this crisis came to appreciate solar power and alternative energy “in a new light” when the carbon-hungry power grid went belly up.
There is more about this at http://blog.al.com/breaking/2011/06/solar_energy_helps_brings_madi.html.
Some of our neighbors got generators then they had to drive 50 miles and wait in lines to get gasoline to feed them. Almost all gas stations in the area were without power and hence could not pump gas. Our solar system just kept on supplying quiet, carbon free and noise free power as it has been doing for several years now. No hassles.
I think having a small system with a couple of photovoltaic panels and storage batteries for 24-7 power is a good thing to have, along with other emergency supplies. Maybe better to get setup now, before the great default event happens.
CABRA1080
I have no way of knowing, but I threw it out there for speculation.
Qtip………
What are the laws with regards to expats and Social[in]security?
It amazes me so few can pretend to control so much. When I look at a globe and pretend I want to move, it seems each country is at odds with the globalist system. A very, bloody world war or a planet-size police state are equally to be rejected. Make your stand right where you are, there’s no where else to go.
My friend has solar power, and when our electricity was out after our hurricane, he let the kids recharge their cellphones.
My across the street neighbor ran a generator to power a security light!
Are you kidding? The only light on for miles. I wouldn’t think that would make them less secure.
They were advertising that they had a generator, which I think is easier to steal than a solar panel.
Tattoos 2:
Blacks dont need Tatts!
Cover story from La Times…
Tattoo Arrest: Gang Member With Tattoo of Murder Scene Gets 65 Years
Gang Member With Tattoo of Murder Scene Gets 65 Years ….. There are thousands more behind him to take his place at …
Anthony Garcia, Dumbest Killer Ever, Got Murder Scene Tattooed on
Anthony Garcia, Dumbest Killer Ever, was a run-of-the-mill hood when LA deputies arrested him for a ….www.truecrimereport.com/2011/…/anthony_garcia
Oh, many years ago I saw a study or theory that the farther a population was, in time and space from the invention of alcohol, the less resistance there is to it’s affects and addictive qualities.
So alcohol was invented somewhere in the Middle East, umpity thousand years B.C. (or Before Common Era, BCE, if you want to get all politically correct about it 🙂 . I suppose there’s maybe some natural selection involved. Fucked up teens who off themselves while carrying a full load without issue, do not pass on any genetic predisposition to digest alcohol in a less efficient manner.
It’s that time of the year again, in our little rural county. There’s always a car load (or two) of teens, wiped out on some country road after graduation ceremonies. As sure as the seasons change. Can’t say there’s any noticeable improvement in the local gene pool.
Any-who. That study (or theory) of time and distance and alcohol is out there somewhere. I’m just too lazy to track it down.
The United States is in debt to the tune of nearly a half-million dollars per citizen.
Does euro ville have the same amount of debt?
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Google “alcohol abuse among native Americans” and you will find innumerable articles. Here is one link for starters:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/k36036222n1v1653/
Any-who. Farmer John announced that his wife is pregnant, again. I think it’s their 5th. 6th..
Why do you care how many he has?
Its not yr concern.
Sounds like ‘Everyone has to be like me’.
Gotcha. I see how the correlation might be drawn, yet it mimics a throwback position to eugenic science that has thankfully been discarded by most intelligent people today. From my own enquiry, it seems there is no basis for the genetic predetermination belief. A predisposition to alcohol use, perhaps, as it is shown that many mammals purposely ingest flora to self-intoxicate, yet to further suggest that some races are uniquely disposed to severe substance abuse is unfounded.
Some will argue that socioeconomic factors are far more determinative of a proclivity toward substance abuse. It seems credible to think that Native Americans increasingly turned to more severe usage of alcohol as whites came to dominate the landscape and change the natural economy they were use to.
Spidey might like this:
“This theory of depletable willpower has its detractors, and, as in most academic topics studied across disciplinary fields, one finds plenty of disputes over the details. But this model of self-control is now one of the most prominent theories of willpower in social psychology, at the core of what E. Tory Higgins of Columbia University described in 2009 as “an explosion of scientific interest” in the topic over the last decade. Some skeptics correctly emphasize the vital role of motivation, and some emphasize instead that “attention” is limited. But the core of the breakthrough is that resolving conflicts among choices is expensive at a cognitive level and can be unpleasant. It causes mental fatigue.
Nowhere is this revelation more important than in our efforts to understand poverty. Taking this model of willpower into the real world, psychologists and economists have been exploring one particular source of stress on the mind: finances. The level at which the poor have to exert financial self-control, they have suggested, is far lower than the level at which the well-off have to do so. Purchasing decisions that the wealthy can base entirely on preference, like buying dinner, require rigorous tradeoff calculations for the poor. As Princeton psychologist Eldar Shafir formulated the point in a recent talk, for the poor, “almost everything they do requires tradeoff thinking. It’s distracting, it’s depleting … and it leads to error.” The poor have to make financial tradeoff decisions, as Shafir put it, “on anything above a muffin.”
Last December, Princeton economist Dean Spears published a series of experiments that each revealed how “poverty appears to have made economic decision-making more consuming of cognitive control for poorer people than for richer people.” In one experiment, poor participants in India performed far less well on a self-control task after simply having to first decide whether to purchase body soap. As Spears found, “Choosing first was depleting only for the poorer participants.” Again, if you have enough money, deciding whether to buy the soap only requires considering whether you want it, not what you might have to give up to get it. Many of the tradeoff decisions that the poor have to make every day are onerous and depressing: whether to pay rent or buy food; to buy medicine or winter clothes; to pay for school materials or loan money to a relative. These choices are weighty, and just thinking about them seems to exact a mental cost.”
and you guys wonder why poor people appear flustered…
http://www.npr.org/2011/06/06/136996087/new-republic-let-them-eat-cake-or-dont-bother-baking
Have you seen the new Nissan ad campaign? “What if everything ran on gas?” It’s rather ironic. Because, duh, everything DOES run on gas.
Well, the world WOULD be a better place if everyone were more like me. Rather, than say, you. 🙂
Francis was a Catholic. Give up your hatred. I don’t blame you for hating the Vatican Two Church however. They worship Blacks not Christ.
Not exactly sure of LLB’s general disposition on things, but the comments you took issue with seem relatively innocuous.
Besides, how many children people have these days has an immediate proximal impact on others and a definite impact on the human population generally.
It is a concern, but agreeably one LLB has no power to control. It should be left to individual families to determine how many children they produce, but poor decisions needn’t be tolerated.
Relax, I don’t think dude was suggesting, “Everyone has to be like me.”
Some breeds don’t go well together. Even though Lapps are proto-Causcasians, when mixed with Whites, things don’t fit too well. The heart will be too small for the frame or the jaw too small for the face. Eskimos and Asians mix better with Whites than they do.
Liberalism at its worse. Lucan is a hater. Big time. He covers it up by his down home style and an absurd internet courtlineness – like saying things like “Miss Jackie”. For all his reading, he has never questioned his basic premises.
Well, since I advocated interbreeding to dilute the effects, (mostly to aggravate Vlad,lol), I don’t think that you could see my comment as an eugenic viewpoint.
Well, thanks for providing a link to an abstract, but a quick glance revealed that the study doesn’t hold much water.
It should be pretty easy to reason that alcohol as a foreign substance had pretty dramatic effects on the physiology of Indians, but again, there isn’t much basis for the “genetic predetermination” claim.
Drinking animal milk use to be fatal to humans, but over time, people became tolerant.
By the way, if everything is an addiction, then, nothing is.
Qtip………
What are the laws with regards to expats and Social[in]security?
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I don’t know. It’s been too long since I read that article. Things like giving up US citizenship or having dual citizenship come into play.
As my smart-ass daughter would say:
GOOOOOOOO GULLLLLLL IT !!!
No, I didn’t think you were out-rightly espousing a eugenic viewpoint, as some of the oddly articulate but nonetheless crazy racists who patronize this blog do. But the initial comment might induce speculation in that direction — an inadvertent throwback position inferred in your comment.
Anthropological biologist Robert Sapolski has produced some strong science debunking genetic determinism.
Cheers
Northern European stock are more tolerant of cow’s milk than Asians.
I’m pretty sure that it’s genetic.
You can’t possibly think that interbreeding humans leads to sterility in the second generation!
We wouldn’t have 7 billion people on this planet if that were true.
I know that you’re more into faith than reason, but it doesn’t take that much thinking to know that the second generation of mixed marriages are not sterile.
Well, maybe, but you’re missing the point. genetic comprisals are not static.
Also, no single racial designation epitomizes the best or most optimal form of human physiology to date, as that premise works against evolutionary adaptation. In other words, nature favors no single form of life.
Double post:
Well, maybe, but you’re missing the point. genetic comprisals are not static.
Also, no single racial designation epitomizes the best or most optimal form of human physiology to date, as that premise works against evolutionary adaptation. In other words, nature favors no single form of life, thus way of life.
Will the country shut down completely? I doubt it.
For millions of people, though, life is already different.
30,000,000 people have lost their jobs. Millions have lost their houses. People are going to food banks who never had to before. Tripp is growing his own food.
And that’s just the economic refugees.
What about the refugees from floods and fires? Hurricanes and tornadoes?
Economic collapse most likely will not hit everyone, especially the 1% at the top. They should be fine.
Although, Bear Stearns employees are probably not all better off now.
I am aware there are only 2 countries that require
Citizens who have permanently left their countries to still pay taxes[US and Phillipines].[Or so Im told]
I thought you might have info on if Citizens abroad can ‘still get their checks’.
+1
asia asked: “What are the laws with regards to expats and Social[in]security?”
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asia, if you are a full time resident abroad for a full calendar year, or live there for 330 days out of any consecutive 12-month period, you can exclude up to $91,500 of earned income from U.S. Income Taxation for 2010. If you are married, and both of you earn income and reside abroad, you can also exclude up to another $91,500 of your spouse income from taxation.
I never earned $91,500 in any of the 45 years I worked. Qshtik knows my social security income is $12,000 a year, so paying taxes is not necessary.
Qshtik is just trying to scare people who are thinking of leaving the USA.
‘Relax, I don’t think dude was suggesting, “Everyone has to be like me’
You ‘Relax’! I dont want yr advice.
and :
‘ how many children people have these days has an immediate proximal impact on others and a definite impact on the human population generally.
‘It is a concern, but poor decisions needn’t be tolerated.’
The poor decision was opening the flood gate in 1965.
‘human population generally’..I dont care about the general population, only that of the USA,
and regardless of how many children citizens have
the only reason the population here increases is due to..
1…immigration
2…anchor babies
3…refugees
Well, if the dollar collapses and the economy shuts down,then how will the 1% be any more secure than anyone else?
If there are people who have prepared for such a collapse by growing gardens, storing weapons and tools, then how will those few be any more safe from organized marauders than those who haven’t?
I guess what I’m really trying to figure is what degree of collapse is likely, when it’ll happen, and how the brightest will survive it. No clear cut answers I guess.
asia, the USA only has tax treaties with 60 countries. The country I am going to, country X, does not have a tax treaty, which means I must pay tax on income in the same way and at the same rates shown in the instructions for the applicable U.S. tax return.
For Asoka and Mrs. Asoka, with a $12,000 annual income, that means no tax will ever be due. We can actually save half our income, because we can live very well on $6,000 a year in country X.
there isn’t much basis for the “genetic predetermination” claim.
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No need to get all testy about it Rock. You asked a question and I did some leg-work for you. I take it you don’t like the idea that something might have a genetic basis. To believe so might lend credibility to some of Vlad’s claims.
When I was a kid my maternal grandfather lived with us in his later years. I would come home from school, take one look at him and know instantly he was loaded … droopy face muscles, rheumy eyes, some telltale tics and twitches. I’d go over to a place in the kitchen where a trash can was nestled in a corner formed by the refrigerator and a wall and there, supposedly hidden, would be a half empty (full?) quart bottle of beer in a paper bag. Grandad couldn’t hold alcohol to save his ass. To my knowledge he had neither Indian nor Irish blood in him (wink wink) … so who knows why he was so alcoholically challenged? Around 1950 Grandad made a perfect Y shaped slingshot for me that hangs from a hook in my man cave to this day. I’m staring at it right now.
“I’m really trying to figure is what degree of collapse is likely, when it’ll happen, and how the brightest will survive it.”
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I thought the collapse was going to happen today.
I am now officially revising my prediction:
The collapse will be massive, it will occur at 2:00 p.m. next Tuesday, and no one gets out alive.
I get it now. You’re one of those Right VS Left folks. Good luck with that never-ending, philosophical back and forth. Incidentally, the only borders you should be concerned with are the ones enclosing your perceptions. Save this final crumb, as it is the last you’ll receive from me.
Hay Flad, I have just one word for you:
FUCKYOU!
There, that feels much better…
Asoka, hope you can get out sooner than later, things in the EEUU are going down hill fast.
Espero que les puede pasar por sobre su camino a través de CR, mis amigo.
‘To all US citizens departing for countries where the grass appears to be greener, I recommend you carefully research the laws about drawing Social Security checks, pensions, and taking IRA and 401K distributions. The financial implications can be onerous. Q-
What is your point? Are you a government shill trying to scare us? So we still have a certain amount of US income, and we bring it down here, its not even enough to pay taxes on dummie. We done cashed out and brought all our other assets with us, and yes, had to pay some tax on it, but it was worth it as we won’t be pay any more US taxes. There is nothing illegal about living abroad and getting Soc Sec or any other type of US derived income. So stop the scare tactics.
For Jackie et al, feel free to do your own research and find the place that feels best, then take some time to check it out, like live there for a few months at the very least. Not just a two week vacation. If it don’t feel right, move on. But don’t just move someplace you have never even visited, much less spent some real time living there.
DJ 🙂
I guess I shouldn’t treat it as prophecy. Your gest wasn’t lost. I was taken aback, though, by all of the varying insights on this site. Much more knowledgeable folks than I seem to be able to speak so precisely about all the issues facing us, yet the goal posts are constantly moved.
“I know that you’re more into faith than reason, but it doesn’t take that much thinking to know that the second generation of mixed marriages are not sterile.”
That is why I identified when I switched from discussing interbreeding to discussing intermarriage.
Spidey will like this:
“This theory of depletable willpower has its detractors, and, as in most academic topics studied across disciplinary fields, one finds plenty of disputes over the details. But this model of self-control is now one of the most prominent theories of willpower in social psychology, at the core of what E. Tory Higgins of Columbia University described in 2009 as “an explosion of scientific interest” in the topic over the last decade. Some skeptics correctly emphasize the vital role of motivation, and some emphasize instead that “attention” is limited. But the core of the breakthrough is that resolving conflicts among choices is expensive at a cognitive level and can be unpleasant. It causes mental fatigue.
Nowhere is this revelation more important than in our efforts to understand poverty. Taking this model of willpower into the real world, psychologists and economists have been exploring one particular source of stress on the mind: finances. The level at which the poor have to exert financial self-control, they have suggested, is far lower than the level at which the well-off have to do so. Purchasing decisions that the wealthy can base entirely on preference, like buying dinner, require rigorous tradeoff calculations for the poor. As Princeton psychologist Eldar Shafir formulated the point in a recent talk, for the poor, “almost everything they do requires tradeoff thinking. It’s distracting, it’s depleting … and it leads to error.” The poor have to make financial tradeoff decisions, as Shafir put it, “on anything above a muffin.”
Last December, Princeton economist Dean Spears published a series of experiments that each revealed how “poverty appears to have made economic decision-making more consuming of cognitive control for poorer people than for richer people.” In one experiment, poor participants in India performed far less well on a self-control task after simply having to first decide whether to purchase body soap. As Spears found, “Choosing first was depleting only for the poorer participants.” Again, if you have enough money, deciding whether to buy the soap only requires considering whether you want it, not what you might have to give up to get it. Many of the tradeoff decisions that the poor have to make every day are onerous and depressing: whether to pay rent or buy food; to buy medicine or winter clothes; to pay for school materials or loan money to a relative. These choices are weighty, and just thinking about them seems to exact a mental cost.”
“The first shall be last and the last shall be first” is now scientifically justified.
http://www.npr.org/2011/06/06/136996087/new-republic-let-them-eat-cake-or-dont-bother-baking
Well, a great-grandfather of mine used to take the pledge every year…but not until after St Patrick’s day!
The dollar will collapse, but I don’t know when.
But there will still be an economy, even if it’s just bartering.
Will intelligent people be the ones to survive?
Who knows? My theory is that intelligent people have been persecuted for the last 2,000 years, at least, and have been less likely to survive.
The only thing that we can do, in my opinion, is what Tripp is doing, trying to build a sustainable piece of ground on which you can scratch out an existence. And hope that marauders or tornadoes don’t take it all.
Don’t you worry about that 1%. They’ve already got their plans, and it appears that some of them are doing the Asoka scheme, getting the hell out of the US.
http://nauinfo.blogspot.com/2008/07/bush-and-moonies-make-huge-land-grabs.html
No testiness involved. No need to editorialize, either.
Not too familiar with Vlad’s claims, so why you’re invoking him/her is unclear. Perhaps you’re seeking an ally. But all claims aside, only the evidence matters, and said evidence suggests that genes are not strong determinants for behavior. Susceptibility, OK, but environment conduces to aberrant behavior far more reliably than genetic disposition.
Having elder relatives who’ve struggled with addiction also, I learned that willpower fades with age and stopping becomes increasingly difficult, yet their affliction never seemed inexplicable.
Oh, and using Google as one’s go-to research tool is rather silly for an old guy.
that must be it . it has to be someone else’s fault.
Exactly. I’ve been following JHK’s predictions since Y2K (a failed predication). The goal posts have been moving regularly for 12 years now.
We’ve had all the metaphors you can think of (Nausea is actually a recycled metaphor) and still no TSHTF, still no massive bank failures, still no hyperinflation, still nobody storming the Hamptons with pitchforks, still no 4,000 DOW, still no abandoned cars littering the landscape for lack of gasoline, still no breakdown of the box store distribution system, still no empty grocery store shelves, still no bands of marauding gangs (scary black and brown-skinned gangsters with tattoos), still none of the things that are discussed endlessly on this blog under the rubric of: “we are so fucked!”
Peak oil means we are at the peak of production.
It took a century to get here. With demand destruction we’ve been stable for a few years.
The Long Emergency will be a 47 year slide down the other side of the production peak, what Tripp refers to as “energy descent”. Relax and enjoy the ride.
I am going to move to country X, where I can live like a king for $6,000 a year, with lots of fertile soil, rain, fresh tropical fruits, and zero heating and zero cooling degree days: 75 degrees every day. 65 degrees every night, 365 days a year. Nothing but a wool blanket needed to sleep cozy, snug as a bug in a rug.
Environment means much more than “someone else.” Dingle-berry.
A letter from out here – Small rural county half-way between Portland and Seattle.
Interesting article on the front page, today. The monthly county real estate report. The median home price last May was $164,950. In April of this year, it was $139,900. This May it was $124,950.
Our letter’s to the editor are always worth a look. Today some guy is urging employers not to hire Pro-Choice people. He refers to himself as a “second generation abortion survivor.” That’s a new one in the annals of victim-hood, for me. Apparently, his “evil grandmother” tried to off-load Ma, and it didn’t take. What’s that old saw about retro-active abortions?
CFN, Post 5, Western Cascadian Division
The Long Emergency will come to different people, at different times in different places. It’s all going to be a crap shot with a lot of luck involved. Like, life.
You might want to check out Michael Greer’s websites. The address the issues your concerned about. They are also moderated, so there’s not as much dross to wade through.
http://www.thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com
http://www.greenwizards.org
So, stay loose, keep your eye on the ball, your shoulder to the wheel, etc.. Be adaptable.Travel light.
No one gets out alive. But what with the perfect storm of peak oil, climate change and economic collapse, the expiration dates are getting closer.
The other big question that gets kicked around a lot on the different boards is what occupation / skills should I be shooting for to get me through the Long Emergency, fat and happy.
No definitive answer to that question, either. But lots of speculation and possibilities.
What is your point? Are you a government shill trying to scare us?
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No Dee, I am just a person with a financial background who takes interest in such things … like a bird watcher watches birds.
Too bad I have no way to lay my hands on the particular article I spoke of. I believe it was in one of the Agora Financial publications such as Whiskey and Gunpowder, The Daily Reckoning, etc that arrive daily in my inbox.
The article was way more detailed than I conveyed here and it goes almost without saying that for people who leave “without a pot to piss in” as it were, such as yourself and Mr and Mrs Asoka, you have little to be concerned with. Although, there were some eye opening ramifications if a person later decided to return to the US.
Many of the tradeoff decisions that the poor have to make every day are onerous and depressing: whether to pay rent or buy food; to buy medicine or winter clothes; to pay for school materials or loan money to a relative. These choices are weighty, and just thinking about them seems to exact a mental cost.”
Exactly. Viewed in this light, one might see how first nations people, who overwhelmingly live below the poverty line, might be predisposed to having a drink. And if you can’t afford a case of beer or bottle of Jack, you’re gonna try to dampen them blues with whatever you can afford (ie mouthwash, shoe polish, etc.), something potent to knock back the pain. I’m not an authority on this, but having lived in native communities in the past, and seen this stuff up close, you begin to have an enormous amount of sympathy.
Hey Jim
Late again this week. Pretty good discussion about Greece, yes it is going to be very interesting to see what happens there. This latest “bailout” also includes actual governance by the financial entities giving the bailout( ECB & IMF ) so this is a much more serious intrusion into the government of Greece than has been attempted before by these crooks. The people there know the score and I think this will be the final straw, I believe civil war is imminenet in Greece. After all those people have already been enduring “austerity” for 2 years( 16% unemployment) and now they are told “We want more” by the thieves at ECB and IMF. Well they know they have nothing to lose, starve to death or fight. MMMMM what would you do?
Make no mistake the Irish also know the score, note the widely circulated picture of a protester in Ireland holding a sign saying “International MotherFuckers”. So I look to Ireland having big troubles soon too.
By the way in case all of you missed it, the Chinese have sold 97% of their short term US debt. So I doubt they give a rat’s ass what happens here now, they will just find new markets to sell their super cheap shit too.
As for tattoos, give the kids a break, they have been sold a bill of goods and on some level they know it. By the way alot of the tatto ink is from China and has been documented to be infected with Hep C from workers testing the ink at the plant by dipping a needle into the bottle and then poking the ink into their own skin, repeatedly using the same needle. So yes alot of tats are kinda gross, but no reason to get a hate on for people who have them.
take care gang
loveday
They tell us that affordable housing is “bad”.
I disagree.
I mentioned before that my grandma had 13 abortions. It never occurred to me that maybe my Mom was a botched one.
So, as a possible 2nd generation abortion survivor, let me just say that I believe that abortion should be free, and widely available on demand.
And that people should be paid handsomely for voluntary sterilization.
Not too familiar with Vlad’s claims, so why you’re invoking him/her is unclear
All I can say to that remark is “You must be new around here.”
Oh, and using Google as one’s go-to research tool is rather silly for an old guy.
Why so?
If you know of a better research tool I’m all ears.
I see, you’re one of the first I’ve come across that have described a 47-year long slide. That’s sort of what my instincts were telling me, but I have little more than instincts to go on so I came here to see what folks much more articulate about these issues have to say. I guess my main question would be if there’s been enough “demand destruction” to prolong the decline? My perception is that demand is only increasing despite high prices, correct?
I like your idea of heading to country X, but unfortunately I’ve burdened myself with too much student loan debt to just up and leave. Not sure what transplanting to another country would involve, so any insights are welcome.
I couldn’t agree more, Grouchy Girl. Who cares where someone came from? Unfortunately, I also have to agree with the more hard-lined posts here that immigration is less a human rights issue, and more a political and monetary one. I can’t help but get infuriated at so-called liberal ideology that opens the doors to doctors, engineers from the developing world, only so that they can drive cabs and clean white peoples’ homes. Nothing wrong with either of those lines of work, of course, but it’s the hypocrisy of the establishment as they spoon-feed us this stuff. Rich white people hiring nannies to raise their kids, only to wonder why their country is overrun with immigrants, and why their kids are such assholes.
Qshtik said: “Although, there were some eye opening ramifications if a person later decided to return to the US.”
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Such as? Mrs. Asoka and I are leaving our USA mansion cared for by our extensive waitstaff. We will place our vehicles and yachts in storage. If at any time we choose to return, there should be no problem (except for the usual problem of finding good help, if we choose to expand our staff) [sarcasm off]
Re-read some of JHK’s recent missives. Why would anyone want to return to a hell hole full of ignorant fat tattooed people who are brainwashed into acceptance of the “American exceptionalism” myth to the point they are willing to die for it?
I have already lived outside the USA for 12 years, so I know there are many better places to live. Places that are cheaper, with top notch medical care, with better climate, and with people whose priorities are dance, music, and sharing instead of the USA “I got mine, slam the borders shut” xenophobia.
Phobia, and petty bitterness, as in the lie: “we had a good country, until THEY arrived.” We are they. A lot of what I read on CFN was published in newspaper letters to the editor a hundred years ago about “them” (Italians), “them” (Poles), “them” (Irish), etc. Same prejudice. Same lame arguments, now augmented with appeals to “population biology”
Phobia is the problem, as in not recognizing that American fear of the OTHER (or what the other might do to “your” precious ecosystem).
Phobia as in a complete lack of the traditional USA southern hospitality: “come on in, we are all in this together, let’s work cooperatively. There’s always room for newcomers.”
That’s sort of what my instincts were telling me, but I have little more than instincts to go on
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My 47-year figure is based on an average of estimates I have come across from reading peer-reviewed scientific studies, industry & trade reports & and reports from governmental bodies. I did not rely at all on my instincts.
Which is not to say we are going to coast along with the status quo for 47 years. We are on a downward slide and may be in for a very bumpy ride. We will need to keep our wits about us to adapt to energy descent.
47 years is the blink of an eye in geologic time.
Not sure what transplanting to another country would involve, so any insights are welcome.
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Here is my suggestion. If you have student debt and have a degree to show for it, and if you are a native English speaker, get a teaching credential and go to an international schools job fair. They usually hire people for two-year contracts.
Interview for jobs in countries where you think you might want to live. By living and working for two years in that country you will have a more realistic idea of whether you really want to become an ex-pat there.
I don’t know where you are located, but here is a list of international job recruitment fairs:
http://www.tieonline.com/preview5.cfm
The ones in Iowa and Toronto are supposed to be especially good. Best of luck to you, rocket77.
I wonder how many fat, tattooed, poor whites your new homeland would be willing to take in, you know, for the healthcare etc. Seeing as how they might want to apply for refugee status at some point in the near future.
Sorry, that link was very old, though they probably hold fairs in those places every year. Here is a fresh link:
http://theinternationaleducator.com/2011/05/31/types-of-teaching-positions/
Thanks for the clarification. It was clear that you have a good knowledge base and this is what I’m sloppily attempting to tease out. Not quite sure of the right questions to ask. Didn’t mean to suggest the 47-year figure was a poorly formed instinct.
But has demand destruction been that effective to extend the “Long Emergency” over the relatively short 47-year period. Again, poor instinct leads me to guess haphazardly that 20-years is even generous.
Your MiMa should have had a cameo in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
How many millionaires do you think Canada will allow to immigrate to Toronto?
In a country, say like Peru, where an average monthly salary is US$200 to US$300 for a car mechanic or carpenter or baker or etc etc. fat white north americans with guaranteed incomes of US$1000 or more in pensions are welcomed as if they were millionaires. Their governments are not stupid. They like dollars.
Last I heard Costa Rica, with a lower income and higher lifestyle, would give you citizenship if you had US$1000 monthly guaranteed income through social security/pension.
the convenience store
curbside view wondering if
the eagle will soar
The strangest people in the Country come from the Midwest. Beneath the hyper-normalacy there is the pioneer craziness which meets the Germanic nuttiness. And the suffering is still in the collective psyche – some can scarcely smile because their great grandma was killed by Indians. Things like that are scars that get passed down. Some of the Old Yankees in Maine are like this too. 13 abortions is some kind of reaction to this suffering. Or was she just too conventional to be seen buying birth control in the local drug store? Much rather have a dangerous operation?
Yes, it is a negative feed-back loop. The more difficult it becomes to extract quality petroleum, the less supply. The less supply, the higher the price. The higher the price, the lower the demand.
The libertarians/Ayn Rand people tell me there is an “invisible hand” involved. It all works out. Nobody can know the particulars in advance. And at any moment an act of war could cause spikes and destroy demand. There are many variables to consider.
Focus on paying off your debt and living within your means for now. We cannot control the geopolitics of oil.
Great suggestions! The phrasing and delivery I guess I needed to help the light begin to flicker.
I did earn a degree and briefly considered an ESL program in China, but I’ve heard that the pay wouldn’t allow me to meet the SL debt obligation, let alone subsistence needs. Again, very ignorant to the details of such a move.
As an aside, I have a friend who unfortunately decided to buy another higher-ed credential via an online Masters program. Considering the additional $30k price tag and further years of self-enslavement, I’ve shied away from returning to school, but I guess I’ll need to for the teaching certification. My friend won’t likely find employment sufficient to ever pay off his debts in his lifetime. Not my cup of tea.
The form for haiku is 5-7-5 and Japanese haiku should have a kigo, or season word.
“How many millionaires do you think Canada will allow to immigrate to Toronto?”
The Canadian gov’t doesn’t have a policy to dictate where new immigrants settle. Many feel there ought to be such a policy in place, in order to curb urban congestion in places like Toronto, where there are roughly 90,000 new residents every year. Of course, if you even suggest a conversation is needed to deal with such a phenom, you are automatically labelled racist, right wing, etc.
It all sounds lovely: move to the tropics and live like a king. Unless you’re poor, with no pension, then they don’t want you. Meanwhile, open them floodgates back home to everyone from everywhere, with a good dash of “southern hospitality”?
Hell, I’m white, my wife is white, my kid is white. My wife is an immigrant, I’m the grandson of an immigrant. Got no problem with immigrants. Point is, who gets to decide who gets in? If you want to have that conversation, you’re a bigot, xenophobe. WTF? Plenty of non-whites in Toronto voted for a right-wing mayor who was willing to tackle the issue. I don’t particularly care for the fella, but there are PLENTY of non-whites in my city who have no time for lefty whites and their hypocrisy.
Jammies said, “Following are 10 guesses about Americans with tattoos….”
“3. Unemployment is much higher among tattooed people.”
Perhaps. Whats down? Manufacturing, construction, etc. Okay, maybe. But then how many office clones have a butt butterfly? Debatable.
“7. IQs of tattooed people are 15 or more points lower than non-tattooed people.”
An easy enough study to do if one were so inclined.
“8. There are no tattooed Nobel prize recipients.”
False- Elie Weisel:
there are PLENTY of non-whites in my city who have no time for lefty whites and their hypocrisy.
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Sounds like you are in just the right place.
Boy, you’re quite the conversationalist. Way to go, thanks for not addressing a single thing, moneybags, other than saving your own white ass.
Thanks, MD!
You’ve revealed your fine spiritual roots.
Save yourself; god is callin’ you home…
Yet another scroll-by; sad self aggrandizement evidences itself.
(Oh, BTW, you are Gawd, so don’t worry about afterlife perks, eh? Nice hearing it from the source tho’.)
No testiness involved.
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No Rock, testiness is very much involved. My antennae are old but very sensitive.
My guess is there was a lush or two in your immediate family and you hate the thought that you might be similarly disposed. But if you can rule out genetics as the cause and chalk it up to a failure of will, maybe you’re home free.
But who knows? Maybe I’m all wet.
“When you start talking about humans, like I am now, you must consider cultural contributions of both parents which will probably produce confusion and chaos. This is the prize of assimulationists since confused people are easier to manage with fear, loneliness and threats of hunger.”
…And, yes, there ya go; but I don’t need yer god-voice to tell me that. Confusion is your bread ‘n’ butter; what you’re selling is pure crap-ology. Next “leader” please; let’s vote, a la
‘Murkin’ Idle [-ness].
(I really think you’re applying for the position of “God’s-only-true-voice”, but please feel free to disabuse me of that notion. Thanks.)
thanks for not addressing a single thing, moneybags
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I’m not in the mood to fight. So sue me.
Alrighty then!
Shutting the hell up now; but anyhoo, thanks much for the weird, dark, poetry Marlin!
I gotta say, that twanged the magic twanger, in nearly every respect.
-Props ‘n’ gone………………………….
other than saving your own white ass.
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Last time I looked it wasn’t white. LOL!
I am reviewing the book, “Requiem for a Species”. A good survey of the literature.
Still horrifying. Unbelievable that this is going down on our watch and that the international community is completely frozen in place watching this thing come down on us.
Capitalism is terminal, unless it can orient its way out of this dead end. A capitalism, driven by the imperatives of conventional political economy is just going to destroy the world as we know it. Global extinction seems imminent.
The world’s governments and their corporate handlers got together and decided the richest 25% of people on the planet can play with their technology for the next few decades, at the expense of the entire planet.
They call it the 2-degree limit. It is an euphemistic label: they might as well say that they have decided to limit CO2 generation and warming, along with concurrent economic growth, only after the coral reefs are destroyed.
Its stunning, bizarre, tragic, and stupid.
Capitalism believes, at its heart, that everything must be reducible to valuation on its terms.
The sell off of the United States has begun: fifty square miles in Idaho by China. We may all be speaking Mandarin in fifty years.
I was at submarine school in ’78 during the summer. I was old because I’d first been eligible to enlist in early ’72 but got talked into attending college at my dad’s alma mater. I enlisted because my only offer for OCS was the marines. I tried marine OCS summer of ’76 at Quantico and dropped out the last week because I couldn’t get into the air wing.
My boot camp drill instructor talked me into volunteering for subs, which I did at Quartermaster “A” school also in Orlando. I made 2nd class and got out after being on two subs. I know more people from the merchant marine because I did the merchants for eight years. One officer I knew in the merchants during the Gulf War ran for office in Louisiana but didn’t get elected. He has a candidates web site and his name is Commander Rob Lansden, USNR [merchant marine reserve]. He went to King’s Point.
I met one guy at sub school who was hanging out in the transient barracks getting processed out of the navy early because of all stunts he won the manipulator’s gold medal by getting an appointment to King’s Point, which is the only service academy with no minimum obligated service. In other words, all they’re expected to do is to join one of the merchant marine officer’s unions. If there are no jobs available they can simply become yacht bums. But they are in the merchant marine naval reserve whose only requirement is that they send in their discharges from any merchant vessels they’ve worked on.
Like the Anthony Quinn movie “Requiem for a Heavy Weight”. Humanity is drunken palooka but just can’t get out of the game – doesn’t know what else to do with itself. Finally we will be forced out – and like Quinn, get into the next cloest thing, Pro Wrestling or in other words, being a Clown.
The UN has totally failed us I take it. Inevitable. Mandela preached classic Communism while a revolutionary/terrorist. But once victory was attained, he denied ever saying such things. Communism is just one tendril of the Elite. The UN is another. Gaia Worship and Global Warming is another – under the control of Bilderberger Maurice Strong.
Be useful…
JHK wrote: “Their “savior” back in the 20th century was a fellow in an ersatz military getup who virtually ran for office by denouncing “parliamentarism” and by the time his party occupied a fair portion of the seats in theirs, he burned the darn thing to the ground.”
“Do not think that I come to bring peace on earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” (Matthew 10:34-9).
“Perhaps people think that I have come to cast peace upon the world. They do not know that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth; fire, sword, war.” (Thomas 16, non-canonical).
Vlad,
The sell-off America hasn’t just begun, you’ve just begun to notice.
I’ve been railing about this since I started blogging here.
On 4/23 I wrote:The US is but a colony..
where I described a chapter in Griftopia, The outsourced highway.
[So Morgan Stanley started working with Sovereign Wealth funds and our politicians in desperate need of money started pushing the idea of 75-yr. leases of the commons to these funds. As usual, it wasn’t transparent who was buying our infrastructure at low cost, but it seems it was Abu Dhabi and other not so friendly Arab states, made hugely wealthy by our dependence on oil.
Mayor Daley pushed this on the state legislature and they sold the rights to their parking meters to one such deal. Then afterwards they found out that they could not close streets for fairs or holidays because they would have to pay prohibitive prices to do so. When they figured out what that would cost over 75 years they discovered they under sold by billions. I guess Morgan Stanley cleaned up ok?]
On 10/15/10 I wrote: Well, guess who’s coming to Texas….[China’s energy giant is buying a $multibillion stake in 6000,000 acres of South Texas with ambitions to further expansion here in the US. The full investments will come to around 22 billion for the Chinese to learn how to some of their own hard to get gas deposits. Analysts think there will be less resistance to these investments as China can provide the money for for more development to cash-strapped American companies.]
Checkout the NASCO Corridor.BTW, Guilian client, Cintra is playing a big role in the infrastructure.
[As WND has previously reported, the $180 billion needed to build the 4,000-mile TTC network planned for construction over the next 50 years will be financed by Cintra Concesiones de Infraestructuras de Transporte, S.A., a foreign investment consortium based in Spain. Cintra will own the leasing and operating rights on TTC highways for 50 years after their completion.]
http://www.nascocorridor.com/
Say goodnight, US (Gracie).
The conservative idea is to privatize everything, even defense, because, you know, government is bad.
This has been going on for a while. Indiana’s governor Mitch Daniels, sold Indiana highways to a foreign company who turned them into toll road moneymakers. Here is the link: http://www.alltolled.com/
Daniels sold the Indiana roads for short term cash back in 2006.
Yep,
Everything must be a profit center–they hate taxes which is pooled money at a cheaper rate than if you bought each service a la carte–it’s really gonna get expensive to live here!
Wait till you see those medical bill–ouch!
If only it weren’t so cold in Vermont. 10 months of cold frozen ground winter and 2 months of mud season.
Are you dumb?
I said very clearly that genetic predisposition is valid, though not static. It’s genetic PREDETERMINATION toward aberrant behavior that is flatly unsubstantiated.
Also, I stated directly that I have elder relatives who’ve struggled with addiction — who doesn’t? So you can try to give yourself credit for “guessing” about what I told you outright.
Let me dumb it down further for ya. My father and grandfather have/had big noses and brown eyes. My mother and grandmother have/had small noses blue eyes/green eyes; grandma had curly brown hair, whereas my mother’s is blonde. As a result, I came to have a large nose, hazel eyes, and semi curly hair. A roll of the dice produced these genetic traits. In other words, I was predisposed to a certain set of bio-chemical and physical attributes based on lineage. Ya trackin’, Mcfly?
Considering all of their histories, I have a predisposition to ailments such as diabetes, Alzheimer’s, and heart-disease. Is it given that I’ll succumb to these maladies? Evidence suggests no provided preventative lifestyle choices and behaviors. What do lifestyle behaviors pertain to? Favorable or dis-favorable reactions to environment.
What’s more, addictive behavior are separate from physiological disease, and if everything is an addiction, then, nothing is. Go ‘head and Google yourself with the copious amounts of pseudo-intellectual and bogus social-scientific research lurking about the web.
It’s hard not to be constantly amazed by the mouth-breathers sucking up all the oxygen ’round here. Your antennae are pointed in the wrong direction, bub. Feel free to reply, but I’ve wasted about as much time with you as an afternoon shit requires. It’s time to flush.
Why are Blacks white on their hands and feet? Is this a sign that they were once White?
I had heard about some of that…I guess just the idea of buying not infra stucture but whole areas takes it to a new level. Why Idaho? Poor but rich in resources. So why can’t we capitalize on it? Something has gone very, very wrong…
“8. There are no tattooed Nobel prize recipients.”
False- Elie Weisel:
While at Auschwitz, his inmate number, “A-7713″, was tattooed onto his left arm.
-bustinj, to jammer-
Nice catch, bustin. Perhaps jammer should have said, ” there are no Nobel prize recipients with large Tramp Stamp tattoos on their derrieres.”
Anyone care to research that one?
“I said very clearly that genetic predisposition is valid, though not static. It’s genetic PREDETERMINATION toward aberrant behavior that is flatly unsubstantiated.”
-rockett-
Over large time scales and large populations – genetic predisposition and genetic predetermination are going to have the same effect.
What is your degree field, if I may inquire.
“Over large time scales and large populations – genetic predisposition and genetic predetermination are going to have the same effect.”
-progressorconserve-
Please offer an example.
Eminence and evidence are different things, sir. Credentialism is the fascination of those bound to orthodoxy and authority. What does it matter my degree field?
“Economic collapse most likely will not hit everyone, especially the 1% at the top. They should be fine.”
-wage, to rockett-
I concur, Wage, although environmental, as opposed to “economic” collapse – may affect 100% of the population equally and unfortunately.
Rockett, before you take too much advice from asoka, you might want to hear what he has to say about an optimum number for the US population.
660,000,000, isn’t it, A?
And Sharia Law for females on US soil is OK?
And la reconquista?
(maybe that’s why he’s making plans to leave?)
Feel free to reply, but I’ve wasted about as much time with you as an afternoon shit requires. It’s time to flush.
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So I was right, testiness was very much involved. Good insult though. We needed some fresh material around here. We’re all totally jaded with Tootsie’s shtick.
But let’s go way back to where this discussion started. WageLaborer said: “I’m just wondering why alcohol seems to wreak such havoc on native communities to this day.” Neither she (Wage) nor I ever used the word “predetermined” by genetics. In fact I was rather careful to use the word “predisposed” as a somewhat less harsh and less emphatic of various possibilities. But you were spoiling for a fight from post one.
Further, the link I provided (which I chose entirely at random and only briefly scanned) I believe made a point that the ultimate cause for native Americans’ inability to hold their liquor was by no means a settled issue. But you were bound and determined to pretend otherwise and take offense.
Calm down cowboy and maybe we can have some intelligent conversations in the future.
P.S. When you spoke of an “elder relative” with an alcohol issue that could have been a non-blood relative for all I knew (like infamous Aunt Tilly, your father’s older brother’s wife). When I spoke of “a lush or two in your immediate family” I was insinuating a blood relative like parent or grandparent.
Please offer an example.
-rockett-
Rabbits, bald eagles, bacteria, humans
All biological populations will respond to their genetics over large time scales.
You are overly fixated on the ability of humans to alter their environments. Yes, humans have this ability – but over a long enough time scale and large enough population, this is also mediated by the underlying genetics.
I ask about your credentials to confirm a hunch AND to give you an opportunity to establish a reputation for seriousness on CFN.
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On the positive note about it, Wage, at least for we ladies “of a certain age”, there will come a time when the extra 10-20 lbs that many if not most of us gain over time due to aging and natural female hormonal fluctuations (in spite of healthy diet and exercise habits) will come to be considered an attractive quality in a woman again, as opposed to the current trend of “toothpick with a haid” being the beauty standard for women of all ages 🙂 I can think of quite a few ladies who are gonna wish they had eaten that bowl of Blue Bell while they had the chance 🙂 Toasted locust and shit sandwiches are not quite as delicious, I would imagine 🙂
I’m trying to hear God’s Voice in what you are saying to me, but you will have to slow down.
You’ve got that right, TT!
“”toothpick with a haid”
and the corollary condition, “Boobs on a stick.”
Speaking of human evolution and mate selection – I’m pretty certain that the current wave of “cosmetic surgeries” is having a negative impact in these areas.
Is the “big store bought boobs” and “skinny hips” an American fixation?
Or has it spread worldwide?
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More seriously, I read a study recently that suggested that widespread use of hormonal birth control in females is upsetting the selection process as well – perhaps for women as well as men.
We’re conducting a vast experiment in real time on real subjects – using 7,000,000,000+++ – generally uninformed and unwilling – participants.
Ok, time for a correction. jammer was not the author of the 10 observations of tattooed people. It was Q. I was REPLYING TO HIM. I admit the confusion was due to my clumsiness of the constructed reply. jammer
Bustin and Snowflake, you are not following the thread closely enough. It was I, not Jammer, who speculated that “8. There are no tattooed Nobel prize recipients.” I don’t think you can count the involuntary tattooing of the Jews like EW in the death camps.
Further, although a total lack of tatts on Nobel Prize winners is quite possible and would make for an interesting study if the data were available, it was just a little Q-humor. Just like my other silly but possible assertion – that there are no non-tattooed motorcycle mechanics in the US, which no one picked up on.
Offer an example. To which you replied:
[[Rabbits, bald eagles, bacteria, humans
All biological populations will respond to their genetics over large time scales.
You are overly fixated on the ability of humans to alter their environments. Yes, humans have this ability – but over a long enough time scale and large enough population, this is also mediated by the underlying genetics.]]
Is this the type of circular reasoning blatherskite that’ll, “give you (me) an opportunity to establish a reputation for seriousness on CFN.”
You can’t be serious, dude. I’m not quite sure how you’ve retained, let alone, established such a reputation for yourself considering. You’ve certainly confirmed my hunch about you, anyhow.
Look, if you don’t wish to explain the brain-fart remark with which you interjected yourself unto a separate discussion, fine. just say so.
I’m certainly open to your viewpoint, but please have the goddamn common courtesy to light a match after you’ve loosed the intellectual gas from between your ears in a crowded blog-room. Otherwise, clarify your claim absent the fallacious reasoning you offered above.
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As a nurse, Wage, you’re probably already familiar with this too . . . Many people of Asian genetic background also have a chemical reaction to ingestion of ethanol which cause a marked “flush” reaction when they drink, due to the lack of a certain enzyme used to metabolize ethanol . . . taking that a degree further, if it is as has been theorized that Native Americans came across the land bridge where the Bering Strait now exists, from Asia into North America and parts south, then it wouldn’t be too far of a stretch to say that Native Americans have some genetic tendencies in their bloodlines to be extremely sensitive to the effects of ethanol. Thus the extremely high rate of alcohol abuse/dependence that seems to be a reality for many Native American tribes, once it was finally introduced into their cultures. Interesting to see the research on that if it’s been done.
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Right on! I believe that people who want children, should have them, and stop forcing their moral choices on others who may not have the means or the inclination to follow in their footsteps. I believe that Michelle Duggar, Octomom, and every other one of these women who espouse turning themselves into a brood mare, has more than made up for the other women out there who opted to have smaller families, or even no children at all, as a valid moral and economic choice. If you had a set of married couples who opted to only have two children (replacement only) for themselves, it would take 9 couples to make up for Michelle Duggar, plus one couple with one child. It would take 7 couples to make up for Octomom (14 kids in total, 8 births at once and then the 6 kids she already had) . . . etc. and so on.
The abortion debate in this country is fucked to shreds, man. Let’s not even talk about the women who take prescriptions to pharmacists for legally-prescribed birth control, and have the pharmacist tell them to fuck off on religious grounds, or the legions of women who want and ask, repeatedly, for a tubal ligation only to be patronized by their health care providers, especially in “red” states.
Read my original response to you, posted @ 9:38.
Then read it again.
You are misunderstanding my points –
either deliberately or accidentally.
And if you have anything intelligent to offer,
you won’t hide behind insults.
By God I think we’ve got us a higher order of Tootsie. Check out this insult:
Shades of a post-dump Owen Wilson leaning out the bathroom door and asking for matches.
Please stick around RocketScientist, I’m starting to enjoy your style.
{As an aside, I have a friend who unfortunately decided to buy another higher-ed credential via an online Masters program. Considering the additional $30k price tag and further years of self-enslavement, I’ve shied away from returning to school, but I guess I’ll need to for the teaching certification. My friend won’t likely find employment sufficient to ever pay off his debts in his lifetime. Not my cup of tea.}}
Dude? $30K for an online degree? My advice would be to your friend to run like hell . . . I don’t think a lot of people understand this, but the online degrees have ZERO cred in the job market. He’d be better off getting a “bricks and mortar” grad degree from even a less prestigious institution, than from an online program. Employers look at online degrees about like they do the toy from a box of Cracker Jack, and that’s no shit. For $30K, your friend could get a masters that would make much more of a difference in his prospects if only he/she is willing to do the face time, even if it’s an evening program. And if you decide to get some additional creds for the teaching certification, try to find a program that may offer some online classes, but also has a f2f component at some level . . . say take an online class plus a campus-based class, that way you can say that your program is campus-based. Not sure why the discrimination is so strong against online, because I think it’s a valuable tool, but jobs and cred-wise? Not so much.
Plus I learned a new word that I have never ever heard before:
blath·er·skite? ?/?blæð?r?ska?t/ Show Spelled
[blath-er-skahyt] Show IPA
–noun
1. a person given to voluble, empty talk.
2. nonsense; blather.
{And Sharia Law for females on US soil is OK?}
HELL to the NAW! I don’t know about the ladies in the rest of the US, but the Southern ladies damn sure won’t stand for it! 🙂 And that’s Southern ladies of ANY color or religious persuasion (except perhaps Islamic, and I even know a few of those who ain’t fixin’ to be wearing a burqua any time soon 🙂
I rode through Belgium in 2000. Played one show (The Kingpins European tour 2000) in Belgium in a quiet suburb of Antwerp. Don’t mind at all the mayonnaise on the fries. It works. Maynnaise is just oil and egg after all. It can still be Made by Hand. Y’can add Red Hot sauce or worcestershire sauce.
Sorry for the tangent, just wanted to comment directly to the Europeclusterfuck that’s being focussed on this week. I’fe been to the “continent” twice now and honestly love it. Being german/Irish I was surprised at my chagrin at how boring I found Germany but Switzerland, Spain/Basque and Denmark rocked! Ditto south of France.
{More seriously, I read a study recently that suggested that widespread use of hormonal birth control in females is upsetting the selection process as well – perhaps for women as well as men.
We’re conducting a vast experiment in real time on real subjects – using 7,000,000,000+++ – generally uninformed and unwilling – participants.}
I think you’re totally right, Prog. As in all ways that we as a species have been messing with Ma Nature for a long, long time . . . our selections of birth control (and whether to even use it or not) are definitely impacting the world. And if you think about it, it’s just another one of those fucked situations where we don’t, as a species, have all the information up front. Look at China (and most recently, India) . . . the one-child policy led to a whole bunch of misogyny, and now there’s going to be a generation of Chinese boys who have no wimmin-folk to mate with, because of the cultural tendency towards having a male heir. They’ve aborted/orphaned a whole generation of female children. What seemed to be a good idea at the macro level, turns out kind of sucked at the micro level. Same thing is happening in India right now, now that the technology is available to do gender selection of fetuses in the womb. Here in the US (and this is going to sound BAD and Vlad-esque, sorry in advance 🙂 we have the women with with education and resources to make choices, consciously choosing NOT to reproduce at the level that the less-well-educated and -resourced are doing . . . so naturally, over time, one can’t help but notice that something is bound to get fucked ten ways to Sunday, if that trend continues. Especially if the trend continues in the segment who is brainwashed by TV, immediate gratification, and simplistic pleasures as opposed to the life of the mind. Unfortunately, although I am a fellow Southerner, I know that my peeps play a large part in that “dumbing down” process (although I really wish Kunstler would be more gentlemanly and Bageant-like in his criticisms than as dickish as he can be 🙂
Ultimately, I think George Carlin had the right idea . . . the planet’s gonna be FINE . . .it’s the PEOPLE who are FUCKED! 🙂 Pack your bags, folks, we’re going away . . . 🙂
Truth, thanks for the comment. The tag suits you well, so far as I can tell.
My friend made the mistake of not completing any pre-grad internships and networking to broaden his employment prospects post-graduation. As a result, none of the interviews he gave for employment mildly relevant to his area of study were considered. He was obliged to take a job as a warehouse technician, which wasn’t enough to cover anything. Once the grace-period for starting repayment of his student loans expired, he made the hasty decision to go back to school — online. Having a poor GPA prevented him from attending a more favorable brick-and-mortar institution, which is not to say that I believe brick-and-mortar colleges are much better.
Privatized online colleges will enroll anyone with a pulse, sad to say, similar to traditional colleges, and all they offer in turn is gimmicky “accreditation” necessary for collecting government subsidy. To boot, he made what I now consider to be a near fatal mistake of studying psychology — a bogus field of study undeserving of the science designation. That aside, what he’ll end up acquiring is possibly greater than $90k in debt and a Cracker Jack credential. I’ve tried to show him exactly what you’ve described to no avail. I wish him luck, still.
I, luckily, don’t find myself in the same boat, yet appreciate the experience and advice of some folks here. Thanks again.
A bunch of you are going to REALLY enjoy this, LBendIt in particular, I think.
This is a serious economic analysis by a serious economic researcher. Parts of it – like the advisability of Greece and Ireland doing what Iceland did with its debt – could have been written by our own JHK.
http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/2011/06/06/the-stark-choice-for-europe.aspx
We’re not all crazy just because we’re on CFN.
Others are waking up, too.
Here’s a short excerpt:
“Buyers borrow credit to appropriate “the commons” in the same way they bid for commercial real estate. The winner is whoever raises the largest buyout loan – by pledging the most revenue to pay the bank as interest. So the financial sector ends up with the revenue hitherto paid to governments as taxes or user fees. This is euphemized as a free market.”
660,000,000, isn’t it, A?
And Sharia Law for females on US soil is OK?
And la reconquista?
———
Freedom of Movement … Check
Freedom of Religion … Check
Right of Repossesion … Check
I am a true American, not a xenophobic American.
Quran [2:256] : There is no compulsion in religion.
Prog, I remain open to your “points” but there are none to be found.
That predisposition and predetermination conduce to the same long-term effect is not clarified by writing:
“Rabbits, bald eagles, bacteria, humans
All biological populations will respond to their genetics over large time scales.”
Such a retort is an insult in itself. I reserve the right to respond in kind.
I actually work at a non-accredited Career Institute based here in Montreal. A lot of our students are from the southern stats, GA, AL, MS, AR, LA, etc… We offer about 60 different “career diploma” programs in a variety of fields including such close to obsolete ones as Medical billing specialist, Drafting with AutoCAD, Astrology/Parapsychology and Beauty care. Personally, The whole “accreditation thing is starting to become a joke if you think about it. Although I can’t say this to my “students” I would urge them to spend their relatively low educational bills on organic seeds and good hand tools.
PEOPLE PAY FOR SUCH STUFF?
IN THE USA J.C.’S ARE CHEAP! AND ACCREDITED!
‘Will intelligent people be the ones to survive?’
NO, THE SURVIVORS WILL BE THE ONES WHO SURVIVE!
I’m listening to BioTerrorism Info on
Coast 2 Coast now.
“You are overly fixated on the ability of humans to alter their environments.”
Another editorial comment to something that was never written — at least by me.
Genes do not determine behavior, which is my earlier premise. Although genetic predetermination is a long standing assertion, invoking a bit of the pseudo-scientific eugenic research pioneered in the late 18th century, recent anthropological studies debunk this belief. Data gathered by one Robert Sapolsky is a good starting point for those wishing to refute actual evidence, as opposed to a loose reliance on 18th century opinion. Caution: Googling his name to verify his authority or credentials is different to examining evidence and devising further experimentation to refute the data. The latter of which is just the way good science is done, requiring time and intellectual rigor many aren’t willing to expend. So be it.
Succinctly, substances ingested by different races agreeably cause adverse neuro-physiological effects that can only be seen post introduction to cultures not before exposed to such factors. There are any number of anthropological texts delineating this thought. And for the sake of argument, I’ll point to studies of Polynesian islanders which show how imported dietary influences contributed to rises in health problems, and later, aberrant social behavior. Put simply, change the environment, change the person, irregardless of people-prompted environmental change.
Lastly, you can make the leap that, somehow, I’ve “fixated on the ability of humans to alter their environment,” which is to oddly claim that I’ve argued human beings can consistently deny genetic disposition without consequence. That is your straw man, and a false position I’ve never taken. To argue outside of the position I’ve actually offered is to leave the original topic thus ending the conversation.
‘Nobel Prize winners dont want ink’
………Maybe they are sissies? Real men get Tatts!
I Google and couldn’t get any info on this!
How many Black Women get tatts?
Evenin’ Jackoflava. Thanks for writing. I agree with the idea that accreditation is fast becoming a joke, but it’s been a long time requisite of institutions seeking the permission to collect financial aide dollars. Accreditation was reduced to an empty symbol for distinguishing strong academic programs from supposedly poor ones.
A scientist by the name of Paul Lutus describes how traditional academia would collapse should institutions revert to teaching students to use ideas instead of creating mindless fact-collectors. In other words, if students began challenging institutional authority — autodidacts would eliminate the livelihood of authoritarians, otherwise known as college professors. Consumer Angst is the title of his article, if I remember correctly.
Your showing your value as a mentor when you mention your desire to tell students to forget paying to play “the game” to instead learn to use tools and grow food. Your offering invaluable advice for sure.
Cheers.
Sorry, the article is titled How We Confuse Symbols And Things, just under Consumer Angst.
Q must be scratching his head now.
Wow, you almost gave me a boner. The last time I almost got a boner was more than 10 years ago, thanks a lot bitch. Now go on, tell me that I am Impotent, let me crush myself, make fun of me, like all ladies, it is implied, they crush and make fun of it and exploit the fact that I am Impotent, and in all sectors and endeavors, psychological, etc. the prettier and younger the lady the more I would like to punch them in the face, it is a constant provocation, the fact that they exist, etc. a total failure, go on, rub it in, go on, I will torture myself ever more, ever more contrasting Will Powers.
At least they could lie, make believe, pretend: I don’t know why telling the truth or not lying or being honest is such a value, we need lies and deceptions more than anything else, I always lie, everything I said and ever said is a total 100 % lie, and even the opposite of what I ever said is a total 100% lie. Everything should be a total lie, we are always lied to anyways and deceived, lie ever more, make believe, pretend, at least make me fool myself: oh, no they have to be honest, instead of just giving in and making believe, what crap. And then the very essence of life is that it is a lie, Matter lying to Itself and pretending to be alive, go figure.
Anyways, I can’t even keep on staying alive, every heartbeat is a miracle and gift, I can’t even even be sure I can continue to exist, I am weak, maybe I should get some “Health Kare” if it didn’t suck so much in the USA. Anyways all of life is a constant extreme struggle just to keep on living, life is an extreme instability, is a bad invention and a bad design. The transition from death to life and living must be made with new devices, not with this way too fragile and crappy and badly designed machine that Man is. And by using a new design, you can create a much better experience, a better lie and make believe world, since all of life is a lie and make believe world that just uses pain to make believe that it is real. But the new devices will do away with pain and create “Constant Winning Machines”.
But we are in the most extreme paradise ever, every moment of life is an absolute miracle because you are not in infinite pain, there is no reason why it shouldn’t be infinite pain, god or the laws of physics were good this time around (a godless universe would be even more terrifying), we should be in Constant Infinite Pain, Total Metaphysical Insecurity, but everything is an absolute miracle, beyond anything you can ever hope for (I wrote something about this in the ilovephilosophy website, look it up slut and study it). Aside from the fact that everything is an absolute INFINITE miracle because it simply exists, beyond anything you can conceive, we live in constant total absolute infinite and extreme miracles constantly.
Maybe nature just creates causes and effects, just invents them by association, it connects two independent events just for the fun of it, repeats the connection and decides to make it become a cause and effect. And then maybe hoses it again after repeating the pattern a number of times, who knows.
Money as a Weapon
The entire structure of Capitalism is based on the accumulation of Money by those actors that can get a profit from their enterprises. Since the Technological Economy can generate such huge economies of scale, also brought to you by that maybe one time free gift of free energy of oil (but I am not so sure if it is really oil or technology or a mix of both, this is a technical question, maybe some good technicians here can tell how much of this free gift is tech and how much oil) it generates Free Wealth by the boatloads by automating and optimizing agriculture, factories, all kinds of technological applications to the production process making it easier and cheaper to produce all kinds of goods and especially getting rid of the need for labor by the boatloads, it generates a huge amount of accumulated cash in banks worldwide, a huge amount of money that is constantly increasing.
Now this money itself must generate more money in terms of “return”, in terms of “more profits”, in terms of “return on investment”. Why is this ? For no reason at all, just because, just for the fun of it, just because people who have the money in banks expect to get ever more free wealth (as if the free wealth they already got is not enough, but that is never enough). So how can they get even more ?
By lending the money with interest to other people, but especially poor, weak and easily influenced, brainwashed people. And people with salaries that aren’t high enough to just go out and buy most of the things they need or want (the capitalists also like to confuse needs and wants a lot).
They create a never ending impulse of desires in the working class, the poor, you must “buy a new house” (and the game of always increasing the price of real estate nicely fits in, as in more and higher debts, and the ever increasing price of real estate worldwide reflects the ever increasing amount of profit money available and being constantly generated) as that is the “American Dream” (actually the worldwide dream today), you must buy the new car, you must do this and that, etc. Of course these desires are based on the fact that people are set up for unsatisfaction naturally, life is instablity, unsatisfaction, you always want something else, something more, you are constantly creating targets in your mind, you must win, etc. But by creating these desires, the system forces people to get loans and ever more loans for desires that potentially can never end. And the capitalists are all too glad to give people these loans, ever more, so that eventually they can crush them, they can hose them, and that is what they do. So desires, loans, consumption, repeat the cycles, etc. Like a poker player that is being taken for a ride, they let you win, but in the end they will hose you.
And that is how huge debts are created, subprime loans, huge public debts in Greece and entire countries, etc. There is also a factor that public debts are created because there is no way so many millions of people can be employed in “productive jobs” since there is no need for any more jobs, so governments just have to hire them and support them even if they do nothing at all, debts like this are created in Europe, JAPAN and even the USA, anyways.
But the money is there, huge amounts of money is available because the system generates enough wealth to support millions on essentially free salaries anyways.
But now that everyone is in debts, now that entire nations are under the thumbs of the capitalists and rich, they can crush them and torture them and take away as much money from them as possible, with the excuse that they “have debts to pay back”. So this is how money is used as a weapon to beat up people, as a baseball bat to clobber people.
And this is the essential contradiction of a Technological Economy governed by capitalism: it generates huge amounts of free wealth, it could support everyone on free salaries more or less, but the free wealth is used to crush the weak, to beat them up. And they do this by explaining it and justifying it as a “natural order of things”; as the “economy is a science”, is the “way it is supposed to be”, all of the economists buy into this make believe fairy tale Macro Economic Model, as if it were a law of physics, and everyone is brainwashed that this is the only possible way an economy can work, after all “Communism Failed”, etc.
Wow, look at what I found in my backyard this morning little Betty and Cindy:
WKKKRJ&/&(RRJJR&(/(TJTJTJJ&(&(/(JKTJTJJT
Go for it little girls, figure it out, it came for that Huge Supercomputer that the Sun is, always generating new brain – mind – universe perceived structures.
Now go on, little Betty and Cindy, draw a new block diagram of a new brain and mind structure, wow, that block diagram is a trillion pages long, so many incredible new symbols in there, so many new equations and wires and connections, wow, that is doing really interesting things. A new brain that is experiencing a new universe all brought to you by little Betty and Cindy, so many different relationships, memory structures tied into photons tied into sentimental generators, a never ending array and list of incredible new connections, wild symbols, intricate designs and pictures and on and on forever, for a trillion pages.
From Slut:
“In my own hippie youth, we dyed our hair purple and walked around in sheer blouses with no bras, and painted fake flower tattoos on our hands, but we did all this with the idea that it would be very transient”
I answer:
Wow, you almost gave me a boner. The last time I almost got a boner was more than 10 years ago, thanks a lot bitch. Now go on, tell me that I am Impotent, let me crush myself, make fun of me, like all ladies, it is implied, they crush and make fun of it and exploit the fact that I am Impotent, and in all sectors and endeavors, psychological, etc. the prettier and younger the lady the more I would like to punch them in the face, it is a constant provocation, the fact that they exist, etc. a total failure, go on, rub it in, go on, I will torture myself ever more, ever more contrasting Will Powers.
At least they could lie, make believe, pretend: I don’t know why telling the truth or not lying or being honest is such a value, we need lies and deceptions more than anything else, I always lie, everything I said and ever said is a total 100 % lie, and even the opposite of what I ever said is a total 100% lie. Everything should be a total lie, we are always lied to anyways and deceived, lie ever more, make believe, pretend, at least make me fool myself: oh, no they have to be honest, instead of just giving in and making believe, what crap. And then the very essence of life is that it is a lie, Matter lying to Itself and pretending to be alive, go figure.
Anyways, I can’t even keep on staying alive, every heartbeat is a miracle and gift, I can’t even even be sure I can continue to exist, I am weak, maybe I should get some “Health Kare” if it didn’t suck so much in the USA. Anyways all of life is a constant extreme struggle just to keep on living, life is an extreme instability, is a bad invention and a bad design. The transition from death to life and living must be made with new devices, not with this way too fragile and crappy and badly designed machine that Man is. And by using a new design, you can create a much better experience, a better lie and make believe world, since all of life is a lie and make believe world that just uses pain to make believe that it is real. But the new devices will do away with pain and create “Constant Winning Machines”.
But we are in the most extreme paradise ever, every moment of life is an absolute miracle because you are not in infinite pain, there is no reason why it shouldn’t be infinite pain, god or the laws of physics were good this time around (a godless universe would be even more terrifying), we should be in Constant Infinite Pain, Total Metaphysical Insecurity, but everything is an absolute miracle, beyond anything you can ever hope for (I wrote something about this in the ilovephilosophy website, look it up slut and study it). Aside from the fact that everything is an absolute INFINITE miracle because it simply exists, beyond anything you can conceive, we live in constant total absolute infinite and extreme miracles constantly.
Maybe nature just creates causes and effects, just invents them by association, it connects two independent events just for the fun of it, repeats the connection and decides to make it become a cause and effect. And then maybe hoses it again after repeating the pattern a number of times, who knows.
Money as a Weapon
The entire structure of Capitalism is based on the accumulation of Money by those actors that can get a profit from their enterprises. Since the Technological Economy can generate such huge economies of scale, also brought to you by that maybe one time free gift of free energy of oil (but I am not so sure if it is really oil or technology or a mix of both, this is a technical question, maybe some good technicians here can tell how much of this free gift is tech and how much oil) it generates Free Wealth by the boatloads by automating and optimizing agriculture, factories, all kinds of technological applications to the production process making it easier and cheaper to produce all kinds of goods and especially getting rid of the need for labor by the boatloads, it generates a huge amount of accumulated cash in banks worldwide, a huge amount of money that is constantly increasing.
Now this money itself must generate more money in terms of “return”, in terms of “more profits”, in terms of “return on investment”. Why is this ? For no reason at all, just because, just for the fun of it, just because people who have the money in banks expect to get ever more free wealth (as if the free wealth they already got is not enough, but that is never enough). So how can they get even more ?
By lending the money with interest to other people, but especially poor, weak and easily influenced, brainwashed people. And people with salaries that aren’t high enough to just go out and buy most of the things they need or want (the capitalists also like to confuse needs and wants a lot).
They create a never ending impulse of desires in the working class, the poor, you must “buy a new house” (and the game of always increasing the price of real estate nicely fits in, as in more and higher debts, and the ever increasing price of real estate worldwide reflects the ever increasing amount of profit money available and being constantly generated) as that is the “American Dream” (actually the worldwide dream today), you must buy the new car, you must do this and that, etc. Of course these desires are based on the fact that people are set up for unsatisfaction naturally, life is instablity, unsatisfaction, you always want something else, something more, you are constantly creating targets in your mind, you must win, etc. But by creating these desires, the system forces people to get loans and ever more loans for desires that potentially can never end. And the capitalists are all too glad to give people these loans, ever more, so that eventually they can crush them, they can hose them, and that is what they do. So desires, loans, consumption, repeat the cycles, etc. Like a poker player that is being taken for a ride, they let you win, but in the end they will hose you.
And that is how huge debts are created, subprime loans, huge public debts in Greece and entire countries, etc. There is also a factor that public debts are created because there is no way so many millions of people can be employed in “productive jobs” since there is no need for any more jobs, so governments just have to hire them and support them even if they do nothing at all, debts like this are created in Europe, JAPAN and even the USA, anyways.
But the money is there, huge amounts of money is available because the system generates enough wealth to support millions on essentially free salaries anyways.
But now that everyone is in debts, now that entire nations are under the thumbs of the capitalists and rich, they can crush them and torture them and take away as much money from them as possible, with the excuse that they “have debts to pay back”. So this is how money is used as a weapon to beat up people, as a baseball bat to clobber people.
And this is the essential contradiction of a Technological Economy governed by capitalism: it generates huge amounts of free wealth, it could support everyone on free salaries more or less, but the free wealth is used to crush the weak, to beat them up. And they do this by explaining it and justifying it as a “natural order of things”; as the “economy is a science”, is the “way it is supposed to be”, all of the economists buy into this make believe fairy tale Macro Economic Model, as if it were a law of physics, and everyone is brainwashed that this is the only possible way an economy can work, after all “Communism Failed”, etc.
Wow, look at what I found in my backyard this morning little Betty and Cindy:
WKKKRJ&/&(RRJJR&(/(TJTJTJJ&(&(/(JKTJTJJT
Go for it little girls, figure it out, it came for that Huge Supercomputer that the Sun is, always generating new brain – mind – universe perceived structures.
Now go on, little Betty and Cindy, draw a new block diagram of a new brain and mind structure, wow, that block diagram is a trillion pages long, so many incredible new symbols in there, so many new equations and wires and connections, wow, that is doing really interesting things. A new brain that is experiencing a new universe all brought to you by little Betty and Cindy, so many different relationships, memory structures tied into photons tied into sentimental generators, a never ending array and list of incredible new connections, wild symbols, intricate designs and pictures and on and on forever, for a trillion pages.
Re: Carnies–like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqIlRA4ocj4&feature=related
Well, Jimbo, after your screed about Europe’s
doom, I’m glad you got around to “The Land of
Stupid” … which is the US of A. I never
thought I’d live to see something like the
“tattoo craze” of which you speak because
it’s a po’ white trash craze which bespeaks
of a hatred of any kind of refinement or, God
forbid, intellect.
That’s where we are right now. Europe may be
in bad shape and I’m sure it is but, frankly,
they still have a vocal minority that listens
to Bach and funds orchestras which play real
music instead of the “bitch slappin'” crap
that dominates the airwaves of the nouveau
channels.
Try finding a bar in America that’s billed as
a dance place which does NOT feature hip-hop,
rap, and other faux “music” which is often
followed by stabbings, shootings, and the like.
When the US of A goes down, it isn’t going to
be with that soupcon of civility that Europe
at least pretends to value. It’s going to be
hand-to-hand combat over here. Even the educated
like to pose as stupid because it’s the new
SEXY.
I don’t agree with you, Jimbo. I think the
“surprise” is that the US of A goes down
faster and harder than Europe … for all its
PIIGS and warts. I agree with Axel Merk that
the rot is more visible and more honestly
exposed that in America. America is like a
beautiful house that’s eaten inside-out by
termites and ready to fall.
Our country doesn’t even pretend that it goes
for anything but “the big game”, bad TV, and
text messaging. Europe’s sophistication might
be fake but if you’re going to fake, fake the
right stuff.
E.
“There is also a factor that public debts are created because there is no way so many millions of people can be employed in “productive jobs” since there is no need for any more jobs, so governments just have to hire them and support them even if they do nothing at all, debts like this are created in Europe, JAPAN and even the USA, anyways.”
And this is a very important point: since you really can’t provide, find or invent enough real productive labor for millions worldwide since it is not needed structurally (and make no mistake, no nation can provide all the millions of jobs of real productive labor needed, no matter how much they grow or how advanced they are) you are forced to create them, you have to simply support people, very often through the government, or through a lot of indirections, but it always ends up being mostly government (or defense or health care, etc.), sometimes privates, sometimes banks, whatever. This is another of those huge deceptions that they never tell you: the system must give out free salaries anyways (albeit hidden) as it can’t provide enough real jobs as those jobs are not needed, people are “excess capacity”.
So what are you going to do ? fire them all ? there is a limit to how many you can fire without an economy collapsing. So the governments and others support people, but then there is this constant background hum, oh, you are “not productive”, you are not “innovative”, you are not “performing”, or whatever, a constant hum, as if it is understood that the workers are always “robbing the money” (like it is not the other way around, corporations and rich and capitalists have been looting trillions upon trillions for decades).
And then the various economic think tanks (FED, World Bank, IMF, you name it) all turn around and create the great guilt game, too many debts, cut costs, the economies are not competitive enough, they are not productive enough, all the European nations should hose and fire their all so “bloated” public sector, etc. The think tanks know that there is no alternative but to keep such large public sectors since there is no real possibility that the “invisible hand” and the market can really create an equivalent number of jobs since the private sector needs those workers like a hole in the head (and in fact the private sectors are doing and will do everything to get rid of as many workers as possible from their corporations to increase profits, cut costs, optimize and innovate their processes) but they (think tanks and all the economists) turn around and say, shame on you keeping all those worthless “freeloaders”, you got to pay back the debts, etc.
As if they are afraid to tell people the truth because they think people couldn’t wrap their heads around it psychologically and would become all “lazy” and not do anything anymore since now they know that labor is no longer needed. But the truth is, most people worldwide need to be idle like a hole in the head, would love to work and even more work, most people want activity, meanings, etc.
Therefore for this we need Hobby Factories where they can come in for an hour or even 12 hours if they want and help build houses, cars, boats, Rockets to Mars, Skyscrapers, you name it. And Cheap Rents and Free Salaries and a total BUS system across all of the world (especially the USA that totally lacks mass transit (which could even be somewhat privately managed, no problem with that)) and all of those things I already told you.
“When Me and Mrs. Asoka leave the USA for country X”, Asoka.
“We penetrated deeper and deeper into the heart of darkness”. Joseph Conrad, Heart of Darkness.
Asoka, you’re not going anywhere, just yanking our chain again! If you did leave, which you won’t, for some latin american shithole, no doubt in time your family would have to send a character like Marlow up the River looking for you, a mysterious Kurtz, where ..
“Going up the river was like traveling back to the earliest beginnings of the world, when vegetation rioted on the earth and big trees were kings” …
You would be found in some besieged jungle craphole, wracked by disease, besieged by howling savages, sinking into madness, the jungle closing in, desperate to return to civilization, to the USA.
I used to see expatriates all over the place, in N Africa and South America, hippies who fled from America for one reason or another, trapped where they were, desperate to get out. “Could you help me”.
“THE HORROR, THE HORROR”.
-Marlin
Chief of Staff,
CFNation
It looks like play write David Mamet has come over to our side, the right side.
Yesterday along the bottomlands of the Farmington River, with my metal detector, found several Indian Head pennies, but also a large brass disc, turned out to be a Campaign token for Henry Harrison in the 1840 presidential election. Says “The Peoples Choice in 1840” and a whole bunch of other stuff, an intersesting piece of American history.
-Marlin
Vlad,
If you read “The Shock Doctrine, The Rise of Disaster Capitalism” by Naomi Klein, you’ll get a good picture of what this global system is. Also Alvin Tofflers, “The Third Wave” and “Megatrends”, read by Clinton and Gore btw.
This system is about destroying the public domain globally and making big money for a few kleptocrats. Catherin Austin Fitts says that the collapses will be small and localized as the feeding frenzy for real value is in the world will go from one country to the next. It’s all abut getting into debt and then having to pay the IMF and the WTO off. Iceland said NO! (thanks to Michael Hudson)
What they don’t tell you is that $22Trillion was the real expenditure for International TARP. That’s why you will have to give up SS and Medicare. Who know what will be raided for value next. We are poised to do the same again for the next bubble.
This is what global monetarism is all about. Each country is fair game for shaking out all the value that belonged communally to the people of a sovereign state. David Rockefeller once sad:” Resources should be decoupled from the nation state.”
Even Fareed Zakaria, a globalist in his own right is going around sounding the alarm that we are failing. If you don’t want taxes, you’re basically saying you don’t want a functioning nation. Just look at this country from Roosevelt on and you’ll understand how important a good government is in building infrastructure, creating a good climate for business and employment, research and development. They do what private businesses are not designed to do!
But when a government is run by those who don’t believe in government and are run by lobbyists instead, well this is what you get…its going to get a lot worse, trust me on that.
In the meantime the voters will be bouncing between 2 parties that do not serve their interests.
BTW, it’s too bad about Weiner, he was one of the few who stands up to the Republican lite president.
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Thanks ProgCon. I copied Mauldon’s article. It’s a good one.
“As if they are afraid to tell people the truth because they think people couldn’t wrap their heads around it psychologically and would become all “lazy” and not do anything anymore since now they know that labor is no longer needed. But the truth is, most people worldwide need to be idle like a hole in the head, would love to work and even more work, most people want activity, meanings, etc.”
People would like to work but not fight. But the system is set up, in part by design and part structurally to make people fight more than work, simply because in most environments the only way to occupy time not needed at work (since technology and advances have eliminated the need for the “8 hour a day job” for years now, it should have been two hours by now!) is to create conflicts and fights (therefore producing nothing (but nothing really needs to be produced anyways) but time passed, “time wasted” (wasted for what ? another strange problem)) or (as the confusion between a command language and an assignment language)* in order to create work you have to create conflicts, fights, conflicting decisions, confusion, etc.
People would like work, activity, meanings but not fights, and so much work today has evaporated into fights, contrasts, challenges, work against other people and not for the task – an objective task at hand – where there is common ground, as in “if you are not fighting matter you are fighting people”. But this is also by design, the powers that be want to brainwash everyone that they are “lazy” and don’t want to “work” when most people don’t want to “have to fight constantly against other people”; don’t want the “conflicts”. But the corporations, the system, the brainwashing and so many other subtle items create a lot of conflicts and little real work, a lot of fights and little real production.
Another result of EXCESS CAPACITY and Free Wealth generated but hidden behind masks, like jobs consisting mostly of conflicts, hire and fire, constant changes, you name it.
But the very fact that there is so much work not producing nothing, so many “bloated” sectors like public workers, health care, defense, etc. and especially so many debts is a real reflection of the wealth that is generated freely, like the debts: that is extra money hanging around and was borrowed out, but the extra money was generated by EXCESS CAPACITY in the first place, and no one ever asks themselves if maybe all of those trillions of dollars of extra money in banks couldn’t have been used for something better. And no one even knows how much there is, 100 trillion or 500 trillion ?
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– a “command language” is when natural language is used to subtly tell you what you have to do without you noticing it like “cut costs”, “the public sector is bloated”;
– an “assignment language” is when natural language is used to subtly tell you what reality is “the economy is growing”, “unemployment is down”, “productivity is increasing”.
Most of these concepts are so vague, so general, so fluffy that it is hard to really pinpoint down what they are talking about, but this is also by design, no one even knows what it all means, let alone challenges any of it.
Sorry–One more point that Zakaria states.
It is clear, now that US corporations have never done better as the rest of us are failing. It’s important to note that the argument for lowering taxes on these entities will not create more jobs here and at the same time, it is important to keep in mind that we are all stuck here as citizenry, where these corporations are global and can take advantage of cheap labor the world over.
Also 60 Minutes repeated a show about the super computers used in the stock market by those who are making a killing on penny margins in nanoseconds. They said that it had nothing to do with company performance but just the margins of the anticipation of the rise and fall of stock values. –Another distorto contorto I’d say.
“there is a limit to how many you can fire without an economy collapsing”
Yes firing people doesn´t help at all the economy and even less helps to pay the debts.
If you fire x and y they won´t go anymore to restaurants, drycleaners, movies and so on.
The won´t be able to consume and the ones who live on consumers will lose their job too.
less jobs less taxes, less taxes more debts.
On the other hand borrowing money to create false jobs doesn´t help either.
There must be a balance between state jobs and private jobs.
To reduce the debts what about stopping the wars?
What about bringing home the troups, saving on rockets, weapons and so on?
What about jobs to produce what is imported from China?
What about doing what a State should do?
You do not need to give free houses or free anything, the moment people can have a job, make a living, paying the taxes and being happy…
But not to worry little Betty and Ryan, little Cindy, we will overcome this old fashioned and expired generation, let them go back to their Planet of the Apes: we will go forward, we will Split the Sun and gain so much energy, nay, Split the Stars, split black holes, we will create trillions of skyscrapers from the core of Mars, from the core of the Sun to alpha Centauri, go for it, little girl, you can do it, go man go.
Split all of the Stars man, go man, go!
leave your San Jose Mommy and Laura and all those old fashioned ladies to grow that crap in their gardens, I will take you far away.
“You do not need to give free houses or free anything, the moment people can have a job, make a living, paying the taxes and being happy…”
Patrizia just doesn’t get it: A TECHNOLOGICAL ECONOMY PRODUCES WAY MORE THAN ENOUGH WITH VERY LITTLE NEED FOR LABOR INPUT. END OF STORY.
Do you get it now ? Do you understand ? The entire worldwide economy could operate with probably a few million workers, working seriously, efficiently and with rational, well thought out work processes, robots and software, etc. But people can’t wrap their heads around the idea that “they are not needed” for the “economy”, they are EXCESS CAPACITY. Therefore we need Rockets to Mars, Trillions of Skyscrapers, and Hobby Factories hiring millions to work as if it were a hobby and fun, which it should be.
What is it with the ladies on this Blog ?!?!
An Infinite Recursion of web links anyone ?
From:
http://kunstler.com/blog/2011/06/the-creeping-nausea-of-american-exceptionalism.html
But not to worry little Betty and Ryan, little Cindy, we will overcome this old fashioned and expired generation, let them go back to their Planet of the Apes: we will go forward, we will Split the Sun and gain so much energy, nay, Split the Stars, split black holes, we will create trillions of skyscrapers from the core of Mars, from the core of the Sun to alpha Centauri, go for it, little girl, you can do it, go man go. They are jumping up and down, having so much fun, go for it !
Split all of the Stars man, go man, go!
leave your San Jose Mommy and Laura and all those old fashioned ladies to grow that crap in their gardens, I will take you far away.
Pat says:
“You do not need to give free houses or free anything, the moment people can have a job, make a living, paying the taxes and being happy…”
I answer:
Patrizia just doesn’t get it: A TECHNOLOGICAL ECONOMY PRODUCES WAY MORE THAN ENOUGH WITH VERY LITTLE NEED FOR LABOR INPUT. END OF STORY.
Do you get it now ? Do you understand ? The entire worldwide economy could operate with probably a few million workers, working seriously, efficiently and with rational, well thought out work processes, robots and software, etc. But people can’t wrap their heads around the idea that “they are not needed” for the “economy”, they are EXCESS CAPACITY. Therefore we need Rockets to Mars, Trillions of Skyscrapers, and Hobby Factories hiring millions to work as if it were a hobby and fun, which it should be.
What is it with the ladies on this Blog ?!?!
An Infinite Recursion of cross websites anyone ?
Check this out, honey, that will clear up everything:
http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=22324&st=150
Must listen to Max Keiser, specifically Selling Kidney for IPad.
They are discussing banking meeting where the wages of the US worker needs to meet parity with the rest of the world. As I’ve always said it’s all about a dollar a decade.
Yes, blame the peasants. They have taken the value out of our productivity and siphoned out to the banks.
Just listen to this…
a perfect analysis!
Well, yes. If people want kids, that’s their business, but, you are so right, there are those who make it very difficult for women to control their fertility.
There is a doctor here in town who refused to give my co-worker a tubal after her first baby, because she was too young. Seven years later, she had another accidental pregnancy, just as she got the first one into school.
She kept insisting that she wanted a tubal, but he refused to let her sign until after the birth, just in case it died. (She wanted the tubal no matter what).
Then, after the baby was born, and it was another boy, he told her that she would need a girl. Eventually, he did the surgery.
When I told another co-worker this story, she told me that she had the same doctor, and she also wanted a tubal.
He said OK, but she would be put on the surgery schedule after everyone else that day, and she couldn’t eat until the surgery. She hadn’t eaten since the day before, because she was in labor, and they wouldn’t let her.
She held off until noon, and then was so hungry that she cancelled the surgery. She still hasn’t had her tubal.
Weirdly enough, though, this same doctor came through for us in the ER.
For years we have given rape victims the morning-after pill as part of the treatment.
Then we got new doctors who decided that the morning-after pill was against their religion, and they wouldn’t give it.
This caused an uproar!
So the anti-tubal doctor said that if we got a rape victim and the ER doctor was an asshole (my words, not his), he would prescribe the pill.
If technology allows people to work few hours instead of five days a week, I am happy!
I do not think the right solution is having a few who work and the others who do not do anything…
“It isn’t the “Left” that is pushing the “doing the jobs Americans won’t do”.
It is the ruling class and the corporate media. This is because they want cheap labor.
You are repeating nonsense that you have been told, by the rightwing corporate media, no doubt.”
WAGELABORER is either an idiot or a liar:
DNC Chairperson Debbie Wasserman Schultz: “We have 12 million undocumented immigrants in this country that are part of the backbone of this economy…blah blah blah”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUqJO6sk7AA
Face it…the tattooed lumprenpoles, of which Jimbo is so fond, are card carrying democrats.
Put simply, change the environment, change the person, irregardless of people-prompted environmental change.
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Umm, uh, OK, if you say so.
By the way, it’s regardless.
Have you ever heard of a scientist by the name of Jacque Fresco?
He’s one of the earliest pioneers of an idea like this, where menial labor duties are largely left to automation. Human engineers would simply work to monitor and update the technology through constant innovation. The larger idea is that society could eliminate the need for subsistence wage laborers, in fact, monetary exchange altogether. His idea is that because we (the planet) already possesses the material resources to provide for human wants and needs, there’s no reason why people should incur debt to attain certain essentials.
The idea isn’t to eliminate jobs for people and replace them with robots just so a corporation can increase profit but rather to free people to conduct pure scientific research in order to constantly improve themselves and their surroundings. Using what he calls a systems management approach to assessing and utilizing the Earth’s natural resources. He describes how most people would become generalists, possessing a requisite level of basic engineering skill to maintain their homes and then using the scientific method to contribute to further invention. People could be “lazy” and do nothing but leisurely research, or, volunteer their ideas for the improvement and refinement of technology put in place to run the systems that produce things people need.
It’s called the Venus Project, if you’re curious
Of course this Bitch is the enemy!
wiki:
April 5, 2011, Vice President Joe Biden announced that she was President Barack Obama’s choice to succeed Tim Kaine as the 52nd Chairman of the Democratic National Committee.
Wasserman Schultz voted on September 29, 2008 for the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008[16] and on October 3, 2008 for the revised version of that act.[17]
She is an active member of the National Jewish Democratic Council, Planned Parenthood and Hadassah.
As expected, Wasserman Schultz won, taking 70.2% to Hostetter’s 29.8%. However, Hostetter had only spent about $30,000 to get 30% of the vote
eutsch, gave up his Congressional seat to make an unsuccessful run for the Senate seat of fellow Democrat Bob Graham. Wasserman Schultz was unopposed in the Democratic primary election held to fill Deutsch’s seat.
Her Republican opponent was Margaret Hostetter, a realtor who had never held public office. The 20th is so heavily Democratic that Hostetter faced nearly impossible odds in November. However, she gained notability for her attacks on Wasserman Schultz.
For example, Hostetter’s campaign site criticized Wasserman Schultz for protesting an American flag photograph with a Christian cross on it that was on display in the workstation of a secretary in a government building.
I’m from a state, as Mr. Rooney is, that includes and represents the districts that include real victims. I represent a very large — one of the largest gay populations in the United States of America. One of the largest Jewish populations in the United States of America.
My region — our region has a very large African-American population. It really is belittling of the respect that we should have for these groups to suggest that members of the armed services have somehow systematically been the victims of hate crimes.[ (compared to Wasserman Schultz’s $1.2 million). When Wasserman Schultz was sworn in on January 4, 200
Jewish American Heritage Month
Wasserman Schultz and Senator Arlen Specter were the driving forces behind the resolution that declared every May “Jewish American Heritage Month.”
What’s your point?
That’s about the only thing you’re capable of assessing — type errors. Go ‘head and pat yourself on the back.
Democrats are not “Left”.
They are one half of the corporate party, the other half being the Republicans.
Both parties cater to the ruling class.
This is why Reagan legalized millions of immigrants, and both Democrats and Republicans favor immigration.
Marlin said: “besieged jungle craphole, wracked by disease, besieged by howling savages, sinking into madness, the jungle closing in, desperate to return to civilization, to the USA.”
How apropos of this week’s topic: American Exceptionalism.
Marlin said: “THE HORROR, THE HORROR”.
Americans believe that the United States is the best place on earth to live. Contemplating leaving can only result in HORROR.
Thanks, Marlin, for the confirmation of USA conditioning. Your image of Latin American as a besieged jungle crap hole does not jive with reality:
http://studenttravel.about.com/od/bogotaphotos/ig/Bogota-Photos–Bogota-Colombi/Monserrate.htm
Oh, the horror, the horror!
American Exceptionalism.
What an interesting play on words. People can be classified as Liberal Elitists or Conservative Exceptionalists. Seems like the same symbolism with different terms.
Neat-o!
jungle crap hole does not jive with reality:
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You wrote jive just to annoy me didn’t you?
You mentioned having lived abroad for 12 years. I assume this was not continuous since previously you’ve said you lived in at least two places, Canada and South America. Why did you return to the US from these places? During those 12 years outside the US I assume you had to work. Did you continue paying into US Social Security? (You did say that you paid into SS for 45 years.) What about the taxes of the country you were living in?
When you move to SA are you intending to seek citizenship?
Does Mrs Asoka speak Spanish too?
Don’t worry, Asoka will be livin’ it up, all king-like and shit, with bars on his windows to keep the locals out, and when he jet-sets to other climes, he’ll have to pay some other locals to watch over his castle. Of course, they might steal his stuff, too, so he’ll have to bribe the local constabulary to really keep it all nailed down. Unless he’s just chillin’ in a grass hut on the beach, smokin’ home-grown and drinking rum until the money runs out. Oh, and watch out for bilharzia!
Q, so many questions, so little time!
During those 12 years outside the US I assume you had to work. YES I DID WORK.
Did you continue paying into US Social Security?
NO I DID NOT PAY INTO SOCIAL SECURITY THOSE YEARS.
(You did say that you paid into SS for 45 years.)
I SAID I WORKED FOR 45 YEARS, BUT 12 OF THOSE YEARS I DID NOT PAY INTO SOCIAL SECURITY
What about the taxes of the country you were living in? I DID NOT EARN ENOUGH TO HAVE TO PAY TAXES
When you move to SA are you intending to seek citizenship? NO
Does Mrs Asoka speak Spanish too? YES
Don’t worry, Asoka will be livin’ it up, all king-like and shit
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You got that right.
Can’t you be happy that I will be happy, livin’ the life of Riley? Does it bother you that escape from North America is possible?
Let me put it this way. I married an Asian girl with a high IQ from a talented family with a lot of high IQs.
Like any other civilization or population the Chinese have had a lot of ups and downs. Based on personal experience (I’m up to my neck in Chinese) I would say their intellectual capacity is no different than us white folks. You say they are a high IQ race. Maybe you haven’t properly read up on the multitude of idiocies they’ve committed. Have you noticed that China has a billion people that are dirt poor? Not a work of genius that. Neither was the Great Leap Forward or the Cultural Revolution.
I’m not justifying my marrying my wife to you or anybody else. Why should I? You are severely misguided Vlad in your views on this thing called “race”. You have some really deep misconceptions about innate human abilities that you think go hand in hand with skin colour or geographic/ethnic/cultural roots. You talk about “scientific” studies. Guys like Rushton that have been laughed at by others in the scientific community. So why should I believe him?
Thanks Vlad but I’ll trust the evidence of my own eyes. You would say that people from different parts of the world differ in terms of their height, skin colour, eye colour etc so why not their intelligence? There’s no reason to rule it out on scientific grounds, right? Maybe if they can differ in these physical features they can differ in intellectual capacities and character. Right? The problem Vlad is that they don’t. I can’t be bullshitted by “scientific” studies. People have agendas Vladdy, ideological, political or otherwise. I’m a numbers guy and I know how numbers can be fucked with until they say what you want them to say.
Trust me Vlad the human mind, regardless of race, is a highly elastic and adaptable thing. You put way, way too much stock in appearances and on this concept of “race”. There were people in these parts that would’ve put me and my parents and relatives in a race or racial category separate from that of the predominant northern Europeans that settled here. We look different, we tend to be shorter and darker. The racialists’ motive Vlad would have been to put us down, to keep us “in our place”, to keep us inferior socially and economically.
The thing is Vlad, right from the get-go me and my N. American born relatives at our respective schools started to outclass most kids of Northern European stock both academically and athletically. So what would the racialists say then? That we of this Mediterranean “race” are “equal” after all? Or, horror of horrors, superior? Wouldn’t help with their agenda of social/personal aggrandizement would it? Best to shut up I think. This racial inferiority/superiority stuff has zero basis in fact.
jungle crap hole does not jive with reality:
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Q: You wrote jive just to annoy me didn’t you?
No, one of the legitimate meanings of the word jive is being used appropriately in the above sentence.
JIVE
v) to be consistent with, match up.
Q, I never intentionally try to annoy you.
Whew,
It seems the language fairy has attached himself to you today, Asoka. Your use of jargon referencing the swing era of rhythm and dance to describe another remark as being out of “swing” with reality annoyed the lonely creature. But I wonder if it is because that word was widely used by an ethnic group whose unique vernacular angers him. Sad
it’s all a matter of personal preference about where you live. it’s what you think is best and most fun for you. when i was in guatemala, i met a college age young man who grew up in detroit. he was not born in the u.s. he returned to guatemala to try and return legally to the u.s. in his heart he is an american and wants to be here. i met lots of nice people in guatemala but living there would not be for me. different strokes for different folks. it’s not always about who is number one.
“Have you noticed that China has a billion people that are dirt poor?”
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OK, guys this myth has been repeated now several times without any evidence being submitted. I would like to see some evidence of ONE BILLION “dirt poor” (that is not an objective or exact definition of poverty), including the year.
SOURCE: http://www.indexmundi.com/china/population_below_poverty_line.html
One billion? There is a big difference between 21.5 million (or 57 million including “low income”) and one billion.
Of course, I’m happy for you. What was irking me, I suppose, was the fact that, given your somewhat privileged position as an emigre to a country that accepts you on condition of your financial situation, how do you justifiably criticize those in NA who want to have some control over their borders? My heart says that we’re all one and that the world is one, but the facts seem to suggest otherwise, as Cash pointed out yesterday.
Are your new hosts xenophobic because they only want immigrants with a certain amount of money? Am I xenophobic because I’d like to have a say as to who gets into “my” country?
Am I xenophobic because I’d like to have a say as to who gets into “my” country?
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Without knowing you it would be hard to say. Some of the comments on this blog do indicate some people who favor controlling immigration do so for racist or xenophobic reasons. There is fear that letting more people in will “ruin” the country, or blame that the country’s current situation is due to having too many immigrants (legal or illegal).
It just all seems selfish, like an “I got mine now let’s shut the doors” attitude.
But I take your point that I cannot justifiably criticize North Americans who want to control their borders.
Why should I even care? Whether or not they “want” control, they don’t have control… and will never have control. People will move where they want to move. Thanks for the response.
OK, this is very frustrating. Today that damn blog administrator won’t let me post links.
First I tried to post one for spider. No go.
Then I tried twice to post on for you. I was told that it would be posted when the administrator checked it out, but I don’t believe that.
Anyway, try web of debt. com.
Ellen Brown, like Michael Hudson, does not go along with the dominant Milton Friedman way of dealing with the economy.
i would bet that what constitutes poor to westerners vs chinese is different perceptions of reality. i read a figure that uses 200 million as the number of chinese living above western standards of what constitutes poverty. but i bet a lot more chinese are are seeing improvement in their lives in recent years.
“Are your new hosts xenophobic because they only want immigrants with a certain amount of money?”
–torontobound–
Perhaps, but you’d have to interact with the indigenous folks directly to know their feelings about Americans generally, or, you, directly. Ethnocentricity is a pretty easy thing to overcome if you can communicate past the “outsider” dichotomy and share ideas with fellows.
“Am I xenophobic because I’d like to have a say as to who gets into “my” country?”
–torontobound–
Yup, it’s not “your” country. Ownership is just a concept used to cultivate a culture of consumers. guess it worked on ya. You just won the lottery (or maybe not) and ended up here. The only borders to patrol are in your mind. Nationalism is akin to patriotism is akin to racism is akin to prejudice. These are interrelated concepts and you can’t be one without being a bit of the others. You can’t use rhetoric to spin your way out of this.
Let’s try this one.
Speaking of debt – a SWAT team kicked in a man’s door, trying to collect on a student loan.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/08/983241/-SWAT-Team-Breaks-Into-Home,-Hancuffs-and-Detains-Man-s-Student-Loan-Default
OK, this is really bad.
I just tried to post a link to a news report on a SWAT team kicking down a man’s door, trying to collect on a student loan.
Try googling Daily Kos SWAT team.
We’ve been talking about education and debt and student loans, so I thought that people would be interested.
Bad blog administrator!
Debtors prisons are a scary thought.
Re: The video: Dude! Seriously! Way too man corn dogs and elephant ears!
Tattoos are soooo last week, last year. Wimpy, even. Branding and scarification are the next new thing. Actually, not so new. Noticed the trend three or so years ago.
Let’s get tribal! 🙂
After jettisoning the under 55 from the SS program, the next target will be expats. As in, Ex-Patriot. Ya leave the Mother Ship, you must be punished! They’ll be a pretty easy target.
I put “quotation marks” around “my” country as a subtle acknowledgment of the fact that nationalism is a bit of a dead horse, or ought to be.
Again, the plain fact is that I live in a country where I pay taxes, which in itself constitutes a form of ownership, as does citizenship, expressed in official terms by voting. When I vote for a Prime Minister, that person becomes my Prime Minister in my country.
Got it?
Furthermore, my feelings about voting and the results it produces are that it is largely a game with no wining results for the common man. I don’t believe in it much, but there it is.
Bet you voted for Obama, praised yourself for your open-mindedness, seeing above the rhetoric.
Oh yes. I get it. Within the paradigm you’ve framed your thinking, you’re dead… on. No one can help you discard the ideologies to which you adhere. That’s a personal process requiring first-hand experience. The less experience a person acquires over time the more captive to their beliefs they’ll become.
Oh, and you think your vote really counts? George Carlin had something to say about that. I love Netflix.
But your new country has control, don’t they? They decide who gets in and who doesn’t, or the government does, maybe not the “indigenous fellows” Mr. Rocket speaks of.
But, in the case of the US and Canada, maybe you’re right, maybe we have no control anymore. This is the land of milk and honey, or used to be, and millions want to be here, fucked though it is.
Off shoring and the library racket …
A couple of years ago, our building head returned from the yearly ALA (American Library Association) conference all excited. She had seen a presentation on reference services. What with computers and cheap telephone communication, reference services could be located anywhere in the world! 24/7! She didn’t seem to get that I was horrified that vast swaths of our US reference librarians would disappear to be replaced by underpaid folks overseas. Wonder how many of them will be ex-pat retired librarians?
OCLC is an organization that has pretty much cornered the library cataloging business. I’ve never been to impressed with OCLCs cataloging. They have a 95% accuracy rate! Sorry, not good enough. But then, I worked a couple of summer’s with probably the two best cataloguers “back in the day.”
But, my point in bringing up OCLC is I meet someone who had been one of their administrative people for 5 years. She told me they were developing a cataloging pilot program, in a Middle Eastern country. Dubai? Qatar? I forget which one.
They were off-shoreing to avoid “high” wages and benefits. Even though many of their US employees are minimum wage, part time folks with no benefits. She was uncomfortable enough with the way things were going to bail and become a lowly little community librarian.
So, the next time you go to your local library, with a reference question, you might be directed to a phone or a computer terminal. The person on the other end may speak or type in an odd manner. 🙂 When you find a book about Australian youth culture in the middle of soap making, you’ll know why.
Not a voter, sir. I learned quite early that that idea is a runaway train and a sham, running it’s own course regardless of what a consensus of voters want to believe.
“Bet you voted for Obama, praised yourself for your open-mindedness, seeing above the rhetoric.”
There ya go again, cementing your viewpoints on the one side VS the other symbolism of a well-trained consumer.
JIVE
v) to be consistent with, match up.
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Wrong Asoka. Neither Dictionary.com, Random House, Webster’s nor Oxford give “to be consistent with, match up” as the definition of jive. But all four use similar words – be in accord, agree – to define jibe.
You fucked up Asoka.
Dude, you obviously are not reading very closely. I said, I don’t believe in it much, and yes, Carlin was bang fucking on. He also went on to become a political commentator on MSNBC toward the end of his life, commenting on politics in the US. Open your bloody eyes and ears, and fuck you regarding my personal processes!
You’re not a consumer? What do you do, drink your own piss?
So you don’t believe in it much, yet you still do it. Sort of like jerking-off when an erection is impossible.
Yes, unfortunately I learned these things after I’d become somewhat indoctrinated, but luckily I never lost my childhood sense of skepticism. Ever since, it’s been a process of dissengagement, of acquiring the needed experience to transcend the old reality. having to whore oneself to the system happened to be a hand-me-down most of us have to wear. the point is learning to make your own instead of buy your own whenever possible. And drinking piss works in an emergency — a possible necessity when braving the wild. You should try it sometime.
Good luck in 2012. #smirk#
Q, you are wrong and your white dictionaries don’t impress me. I use the urban dictionary:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jive
Scroll down to definition number 5.
You fucked up, Q.
And by not voting….you gonna change the way things operate? Whether you do or don’t, things are still gonna be fucked up. Once every so often, people come along who are worth voting for. No, I didn’t vote in the most recent federal election here in Canada. Simply trying to illustrate a concept of citizenship, which, in my view outclasses the “consumer” tag you’re so willing to slap on anyone who disagrees with you and your One Big Happy Family nonsense.
Who are the US?
Who are the THEM?
Do you know? Are you too busy jerking off to care, just enjoying your Netflix? While you’re busy with that techno bullshit (ain’t gonna save you, pal, in fact it only makes life worse), I’m gonna go fix something with the stuff I bought, with the money I earned working at a job, acting like a consumer. Ass.
Asoka, luv ya man, but why they gotta be white dictionaries, yo?
Cue all the disgruntled language fairies. Flutter and spit, darlings.
Anyway, dictionaries, regardless of color, don’t PRESCRIBE how words are used; they DESCRIBE, so quibbling how different folks use them is a lost cause.
Q, you have no other arguments to make, so you toil in triviality? Neat-o!
Dude, don’t envy me because I’ve regained potency.
You were smoked long before I ever pointed it out.
C’mon man, just who do you think the lexicographers for Random House and Oxford are? They ain’t from the ‘hood, if you know what I mean.
Scroll down to definition number 5.
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Oh, I understand now. You prefer using a dictionary whose first and second entries for the word jive are as follows:
1.
Like a whole other language in the 70’s-80’s. Here is a memorable quote from Airplane.
Randy : Can I get you something?
Second Jive Dude : ‘S’mofo butter layin’ me to da’ BONE! Jackin’ me up… tight me!
Randy : I’m sorry, I don’t understand.
First Jive Dude : Cutty say ‘e can’t HANG!
Jive Lady : Oh stewardess! I speak jive.
Randy : Oh, good.
Jive Lady : He said that he’s in great pain and he wants to know if you can help him.
Randy : All right. Would you tell him to just relax and I’ll be back as soon as I can with some medicine?
Jive Lady : Jus’ hang loose, blood. She gonna catch ya up on da’ rebound on da’ med side.
Second Jive Dude : What it is, big mama? My mama no raise no dummies. I dug her rap!
Jive Lady : Cut me some slack, Jack! Chump don’ want no help, chump don’t GET da’ help!
First Jive Dude : Say ‘e can’t hang, say seven up!
Jive Lady : Jive dude don’t got no brains anyhow! Hmmph!
by Not Zane Sep 14, 2004 share this
2.
Colorful form of speaking. Sometimes hard to follow.
1> Shit man, that honky mus’ be messin’ my old lady… Got to be runnin’ cold upside down his head. Ya know?
2> Hey home, I can dig it. You know he ain’t gonna lay no mo’ big rap up on you man.
1> I say hey sky, s’other s’ay I wan say? Pray to J I get the same ol’ same ol’.
2> Eh. Yo know yourself a pro slick, gray matter live performas down now take TCB’in man.
1> Hey, you know what they say… See a broad, to get that booty, yak ’em, leg ‘er down ‘n smack ’em yak ’em.
2> Cold got to be! You know? Sheeiiiiiiiit.
by MoonKnight Jan 5, 2003 share this
And BTW, entry #5 definition resulted from black folk mistaking jive for jibe.
I’m guessing the Urban Dictionary would define wif as an alternative for the word wit as in “wus up wif dat.”
If you can’t take the hot patois, get the hell out of the lexicographical kitchen.
You fucked up Q.
Nah, I hear you, signorino. There exist the puritanical “keepers of the language” who claim dominion over what types of language officially merit entry into the lexicography — and they’re mostly white folk. But I was speaking past the authoritarian view of how language is or ought to be used — the stupid, trivial pursuit Q challenged you about.
So when I wrote that dictionaries really only describe rather than prescribe how language is used by people, I was poking fun at the establishment, so to speak.
In fact, I think history shows that people develop and change language despite the illusion of authority. I think grammarians and the like arrived after languages developed, anyhow, so they had to design rules for how they were going to commonly assess and study them. Kind of like how science doesn’t prescribe to humans how the universe works like science were a God. Science helps humans describe how nature works, and sometimes we read the descriptions incorrectly, which helps us refine the language. So in essence the lexicon of science necessarily changes, because the methods requires it to function. Conversely, human languages change constantly, but asshole gatekeepers think their saying something when they nitpick. Oh, well.
Be easy on me, sir. You’re one of the only three I respect hear — here — wink — on this cite — sight — site.
Damn, the spelling errors.
Cue the language fairies!
Does it bother you that escape from North America is possible?
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Another instance of Asoka “containing multitudes.” A week ago his sentiments were precisely the opposite.
From the Urban Dictionary:
“jive-ass: The rhythmic body language of the ebonically inclined…Jive-ass can also be used to describe any mannerism or behavior indicative of eubonics culture.”
Followed the link, “Buy jive-ass mugs, t-shirts and magnets.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/products.php?term=jive-ass&defid=750114
Looks pretty White, to me. 🙂
but asshole gatekeepers think their saying something when they nitpick. Oh, well.
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Interesting … this (the author of the above) is the same person who less than 24 hours ago made a huge stink about the nuance of meaning between predisposed and predetermined.
That makes a ton of sense. You’ve still not expressed anything worth noting. You think you’re free? In your head? Good for you! Now, drink some more piss. I’m going to stick to the water that I pay for.
Foolish hobgoblin that I am (thank you, Mr. Emerson), I have always been consistent in calling for porous borders (effectively the elimination of borders since they are imaginary lines, fictions created by bureaucrats that are not visible on the globe) which means I want free movement of people both ways, out of and into the legal fictions called nation states.
Sounds awesome. I’d vote for that.
You fucked up Q.
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I just want to make sure what you’re saying. When you say “You fucked up Q” do you mean that I fucked up or have you slipped into Ebonics without signaling that you had done so and actually mean “You’re fucked up Q” ??
I’m sure you recognize it is one thing to “fuck up” and a whole different thing to “be fucked up.”
Look, dingle-berry. You’re in way over your head. You initially nitpicked about why Asoka used the word Jive, which only gave away your idiotic racial grievance with the word.
I used the words predetermination and predisposition for precision to denote two different concepts — concepts which baffled you immensely.
Now yesterday I wasted the time it would’ve taken for an afternoon shit to respond to your vacuous post and left you behind with a flush — or so I thought. But it seems that this morning I returned to find a remnant of a turd (you) bobbing and rolling about the blog-bowl. Having nothing better to discuss, you tried to capitalize on a minor oversight. Fearing any genuine discourse, you spent your day today trying save face with your cohort by quibbling over silliness.
Since you’ve outed yourself as merely a nuisance turd who just can’t be flushed, I suppose I’ll have to return several times and keep pissing on you until you dissolve enough to join the other volume of wastewater with whom you enjoy commonality. I’ll start drinking coffee, you just keep floating –deal?
Just know that I pissed upstream to the supply from which you draw. Glug, glug, glug.
If it’s genuine discourse you desire, i’m up for it, rather than slinging arrows. I’m all ears if you have something enlightening to say. So far, you’ve only reinforced sides, teams, us vs them, as much as anyone else.
Bossy said, “i would bet that what constitutes poor to westerners vs chinese is different perceptions of reality.”
I have been monitoring Chinese social memes and message forums. A popular, common thread among them is an absolute hatred for poverty. They came from it, and know viscerally what it is like to be poor. Their parents, schools, and society beat any idealism out of them. The social shift now is the new affluence and its corrosive effect on those values.
burning near Alpine, Arizona is now 389000 acres and 0% contained.
This is a preview of Global Warming. It starts with drought and temperature rise, creating acres of kindling. Then, a lightning strike or cigarette sparks an inferno. The fire is driven by extreme winds. Ultimately, this is fate of the entire Earth, from the equator to the mid-latitudes.
But who is kidding whom? It is not as if, with feedbacks, global warming is going to stop halfway between this equilibria and the Miocene conditions of 25 million years ago. We are going full stop to an arid, lifeless desert planet without human beings, let alone land mammals.
I was at a major scientific conference a few months ago. There are no solutions anywhere. The only solution is to reverse global commerce, full-stop. This generation is voting for nothing less than the sacrifice of life on Earth for the sake of their burger & shake, today. Specifically, the first world- as much as the breeding masses in the 3rd world have certainly decimated their chances at ecological balance, it is the energetic activity of the first world which is producing the most Carbon dioxide.
AQsoka, says, “http://studenttravel.about.com/od/bogotaphotos/ig/Bogota-Photos–Bogota-Colombi/Monserrate.htm”
Unfortunately, GW effects are going to hit hardest, fastest, and soonest right here. The plants cannot migrate fast enough- they will all die. Precipitation will decline and take care of the rest. These people can flee up the mountains to find cooler conditions- but it is a trap- snowmelt reservoirs disappear- and once at the peaks, valleys become uncrossable.
I imagine a possible recourse could be full-scale war against the northern hemispheres. I can’t say it wouldn’t be justified at this point. We are pointing the gun at these people and saying literally that we will not negotiate our way of life. Since they cannot initiate a shooting war, an economic embargo might be an option. Problem is most of their gov’s are hopelessly in the pocket of corporate citizens who fully discount the future and nature.
Messy Drood referenced NPR article, I quote from article:
“But the core of the breakthrough is that resolving conflicts among choices is expensive at a cognitive level and can be unpleasant. It causes mental fatigue.”
This article is a breakthrough understanding of the human psyche.
Or at least my own psyche.
The problem is options. All the mental fatigue comes from deciding to pursue something. The act of decision creates relief. You experience all of the worry and anxiety before the decision to, say, sell all your belongings and fossil-fuel vehicles. Afterwords, it is bliss. All of the energy that is consumed in worrying whether or not it is the right choice, or most profitable, detracts from the quality of life improvement of those decisions.
The most content people are the ones that are laser-focused on their careers or life path. Creative dalliance and philosophic musing is a product of affluence.
Asoka Bro, where you 2 movin 2?
Earlier this week [s/he,] commented that
s/he would ‘never comment on my posts or throw me another crumb’.
Today s/he commented on my post!
[I am He]
You’re not up for anything. That is to say you’re sadly not capable. I merely used the same manner and tone to address things you wrote to other people who tried to dig into the nuance of things their interested in.
You didn’t like the reflection in the mirror when held toward your face, and you shrieked, fussed and farted like a baby.
Now you’re trying to save face and asking me to use a tone different than yours and jerk your flaccid member for you — in order to enlighten you? !%$#@!, PLEASE!
How boot, you just sit on the sidelines of life, vote for that once-in-a-lifetime candidate, exercise your citizenship by deciding which national brand makes the lifestyle products you’d like to buy, and leave me be.
Had already forgotten who you were. Burned the tag into memory this time. Won’t respond to the empy posts again. Thanks for the reminder.
So just put the throughbred in with the old nag and hope for the best, right? Well I say Hell No. We can’t let people like you hijack our culture and the thousands of years of evolution that lead to it.
You never felt comfortable with your people. Never attracted to the women or the women to you. I deeply sympathize – seriously. But you want to be the norm – which cannot be. You are an exception. It reminds me of a woman I worked with. She was straight but pretty masculine. She was dismissive of feminine women. She wanted not only acceptance (which she deserved of course) but to be the norm and the feminine women to be the outsiders, the ones with a problem. That’s an inversion based on pain and conflict. It can only lead to greater pain and conflict if such a plea is accepted. It cannot be. The norms are based on the greatest happiness or the greatest number – real happiness not career woman stuff and nonsense.
I apologize if I’m getting too personal. I don’t desire to offend you. I just feel very strongly about all this. Society cannot be a polygot Tower of Genetic Babel. As I said, there should be places, even whole countries, for people who see things your way. But the whole West? Not if we have anything to say about it. As to how “your” countries will work out – depends on the people doing the mixing. Asians and Whites might be able to make it work – as long as the Asians are not in the majority. If they are, their intense racism will make it all fall apart. The numbers must be even or even better – a small White majority.
PFFFT! Save face? Please. You assume WAY too much about people, myself included.
You really think you’re so damn free in this life, don’t you?
Flaccid member? You’re the one who brought in all this dick talk, not me, so you obviously have a fixation there.
Sidelines of life? Interesting. I guess you’re going to lead us all into 2012 with your freedom to pursue scientific thought, because, well, robots will be doing all the physical work. Uh, and how do the robots operate, genius?
Leave you be? With unlimited pleasure, my piss-gurgling, end-of-the-world visionary. Here’s to your freedom, your technology jerk-offs, and your vapid postings. Keep flushing that fucking toilet, ass-water.
Finally.
asia, I guess you missed my previous post in which I specified I am going to country X, a South American country with universal medical care, near the equator (there are five such countries that qualify) in the Andean mountains where it is 75 every day, 65 every night, 365 days a year. No heating costs. No cooling costs.
I bought land that already has mandarin oranges, avocado, plantain, bananas, papayas, and other things growing on it. Just pura vida (to borrow a Costa Rican phrase.
I will have internet access via cell phone network (where I’m going is a bit remote, so there are no land line telephones, no cable, no DSL). But I’ll still be able to read CFN every Monday and follow all your comments. And I will be only 30 minutes by bus from a city with internet cafes, medical clinics, shopping mall, and hospital.
Fearing any genuine discourse, you spent your day today trying save face with your cohort by quibbling over silliness.
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trying to save face
What YOU don’t understand shit-for-brains is that I’ve been quibbling over “silly shit” like this for years. It’s my shtick. It’s got nothing to do with saving face and my correction of jive has nothing to do with race. I’ve corrected people’s misuse of jive numerous times in the past just like I have then and than, except and accept, etc and I intend to keep doing it so get used to it.
You should hang around the blog for awhile and get acquainted with people’s personalities before jumping to conclusions about their motivations. (Even though you’ve only been here a couple of days, however, we’ve already got you pegged as an asshole.)
Yesterday I praised you for bringing in some fresh material in the way of insult but now I take it back. You have made the cardinal error of using the same insult – dingle-berry – twice in a short period of time. Maybe try jack-wagon next time.
I am also quickly tiring of your showy facade of intelligence.
And drop the black vernacular when talking to Asoka. It sounds pathetic.
Damn, you still there? PSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss………
Till next time, bobber
At this point there can be no doubt that Asoka is moving to Costa Rica and Vlad is moving to Belize so that he can rule the country kind of like Tarzan ruled the apes.
All the sensitive people have my permission to heap abuse on me if they so wish.
Keep going E, you’re a writer among scribblers.
Just a thought about tattoos.
I’m not the only citizen of USA who does not own a tattoo. Only from lack of interest.
The invention of the electro-mechanical needle in the late 19th century devalued the status of skin art. It became more affordable to the masses, whereas in antiquity it was an invaluable sign of social status. It was not just painful to endure, it was very expensive.
Skin art had a social eclipse that lasted perhaps not 100 years. Reserved exclusively for men — merchant marines, Navy, Army or working-class folk who desired and obtained catharsis by allowing graffiti to adorn their skin.
In the mid-1980s there was a revival of skin art, mostly achieved through returning to ancient practice.
Unfortunately ancient practice ain’t cheap. So yes, your pet peeve with tacky flames flowing up the neck out of the tee-shirt on men & women is understandable.
I also have followed your distaste for short pants. Well, son, things are warming up here in the Northeast. Not everyone wants to show off their knobby knees. That is why hemlines for men go way below the knee. I don’t think this is any way an indication of neotenic or atavistic digression by working-class Americans. Excuse me, I meant unemployed Americans.
I am not in any way a fashonista, nor am I employed, or represent the rag trade.
best regards,
kaje
I think Waaserman Schultz is cute, of course I also liked Wynonna Rider and Tori Spelling!
but asshole gatekeepers think their saying something
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they’re
Damn, that coffee’s runnin str8 through me. (another offerring for the language fairy and his typo fetish).
And yer still there, little deuce?
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“burning near Alpine, Arizona is now 389000 acres and 0% contained.
This is a preview of Global Warming. It starts with drought and temperature rise, creating acres of kindling. Then, a lightning strike or cigarette sparks an inferno. The fire is driven by extreme winds. Ultimately, this is fate of the entire Earth, from the equator to the mid-latitudes.”
Hate to differ, since i LOVE the image of people drowning in their own shit (thanks P-Funk.) Global Warming may or may not be a factor. The big player here is the insistence by Smokey and his maudlin pals on putting out all the little fires that should have thinned the forests up north, thus increasing the fuel load to supernatural levels. Fuck with Mother Nature, get your ass buttered, believe it or not. Now that the doghair pines are thinned I might buy me a few acres up yonder- good water table, lots of game, 4 season climate. Still too many Mormons but they do make good neighbors… believe me, they got food, guns and gold. Hot daughters too…
Oh, and Asoka- it is jibe, not jive. We speakee English here. Q is right, again. He is still an anal-retentive asshole, but he is right. Sucks, don’t it?
the nuance of things their interested in.
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they’re
Do I need to explain the possessive?
Hate to break it to you Asoka, but I visited your private retreat in S.A. recently, and Archer Daniels Midland has just cleared the whole god-damned area of mango trees. Of course, Monsanto didn’t help, planting thousands of acres of “seeds”, not to mention irrigating it all with the sewage water of nearby barrios. The sound of gunfire from the drug overlords’ semi-automatics in the middle of the night is enough to make anyone crap their beds. Happy trails, though!
what we need is a plant that will yield bullets as a viable crop, fertilized by bullshit, watered by blood. Tripp, are you on this?
Shoot yeah, man. Sounds right up my alley!
While we are waiting though, here’s a small sampling of bullets, blood, and bullshit. Or what might turn into such things if we don’t make some of the mental shifts I talk about in this piece:
http://smallbatchgarden.blogspot.com/2011/06/addition-by-substraction.html
A bit late this week, but hopefully worth the wait.
Tripp Ticket
Minister of Horticulture
CFNation
Happy trails, though!
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Thanks for the good wishes!
A lot of people here think if the USA goes down, so does South America (the people who say there is no place to hide). Not so.
In the USA 2008 crash, the global south stayed strong and South America is still growing at 5% because it was not brought down by the USA crash.
ADM recognizes where the growth is happening and is investing in the global south, but mostly in things like wheat milling, premix manufacturing, soybean crushing, and corn and cocoa processing. They are not messing with the mangoes, much less my mangoes.
porous borders
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No Asoka, my sensitive antennae are detecting bullshit. Your intent in mentioning “escape” from North America had nothing to do with borders. It had to do with denigration.
But it’s all no nevermind … tomorrow you’ll be telling us how swimmingly things are going under Obama.
You are large…
The floating language fairy ain’t nuthen if not resilient. Incidentally, you’ve made mistakes of your own in previous posts, but you already knew that you lacked the intellectual honest to correct yourself.
Ummm, coffee good.
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I know you’ll spot them. I gots faith in ya!
You are close to the Truth – just one more big step to make and you are Home. You must realize that World Communism was a project of the self same Elite Bankers. It was and is a complete fraud. Beyond that, it’s an unbelievably bad idea. People are unequal and cannot be made equal without doing violence to them or to the social fabric. I’m not even talking about the different races here – just within a given race there is an incredible diversity of talents and IQ’s. No equality at all. It’s a useful abstraction in Mathematics and Law. Equal rights are one thing – equal outcomes quite another.
As Mark Twain said, I’d love to go on vacation if I didn’t have to bring that fellow Mark Twain with me.
my sensitive antennae are detecting bullshit … tomorrow you’ll be telling us how swimmingly things are going under Obama
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Bullshit is the kabuki theater Obama, Gates, and Betrayus are playing in Afghanistan. Withdrawing only 30,000 troops is bullshit. Killing people with drone strikes is bullshit.
I have stopped singing Obama’s praises. I have woken up and smelled the mangoes.
god damn them all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIwzRkjn86w&feature=related
I have stopped singing Obama’s praises.
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I am taping a little note to the edge of my laptop screen that reads “6/8/11, 6:22PM, Asoka drops Obama like a hot potato” so I can throw it back in your face when you do a 180 around this time next week.
Theyre, their [get it?]…If not repeat aloud a few times.
Might R77 be Turkle under a new ‘handle’?
“You are large…”
Speaking of being large and containing multitudes, it occurs to me that I never answered Soak’s assumption from last week that I thought people should be and should so contain.
And so I answer, no, I think the globe is large and should contain multitudes. I think individual people should have some vague sense of who they are. Some level of consistency in their worldview. Fossil fuel-enabled globalism allowed us to meet our neighbors and get to know them, learn their languages and customs. And great! I think we’ve benefited from the dose of hybrid vigor, both mentally and genetically. But here, at the end of the grand energy experiment, we ought to be able to come to grips with the fact that we will not be travelling long distances, nor emailing people on the other side of the planet, nor retrieving our social security direct deposit at an ATM in Bolivia, for much longer. More’s the pity. It’s been a real hoot. But settling down into a local, low-energy existence with multitudes of doctrines and cultural habits represented in our personalities is probably a recipe for excommunication. And the people in the next burg probably won’t take too kindly to sharing their resources with a stranger, especially one who is large and contains multitudes.
We can’t expect ol’ Uncle Walt to relate to our current reality, brilliant as he might have been.
Just my .02
Viacambamba? Lucky you!
Thanks, Tripp. I guess I misunderstood your comment criticizing mental monoculture. I thought you were speaking about individuals, not the globe. When I am in the global south I only have one identity and one role to play, that of the GRINGO. I give as much as I receive in that context.
Ssshhhhhh, asia, the fewer people know about it the better. But here are some photos anyway:
http://bit.ly/jI24YA
Paradise on earth.
We need giant Venus Fly Traps that can move and eat people. The right people. Triffids!
“I give as much as I receive in that context.”
Depending on the barrio your new flat is located, you may not have the option of “giving or receiving”. Some of those macho hombres may not give you the choice…just a thought, as it were. That being said, from your writings, I don’t think you’d willingly be anyone’s “bitch”…outside of Quistik, I mean.
Vios con Dios.
Vlad’s comment here reminds me of something I heard Derrick Jensen say (I’m paraphrasing): Close the borders. Sure. But do it *absolutely.* If you’re not going to take the people, then you must also refuse to take (exploit, whatever) the natural resources from their countries . . .
Checked out the pictures. How fast can you teach me Spanish?
Sometime in the future, circa 2017:
Digby: “Long distance operator, get me Adobe hut 9-0198, please!”
Long Distance Operator: “One moment, please. Ringing Adobe 9-0198. Please hold, your call is ready.”
Digby: “Thank you, English speaking, long distance, South American Operator!”
Brrrrinnnnnnnnnnnnng…………Brrriiiiingggggggg
(an answer from the other line)
Unknown male voice: “Hola”
Digby: “Errr….Hola…Por favor, necisito hablar con Asoka, imediatamente.”
Unknown male voice: “Eso imposible!”
Digby: “Porque?”
Asoka: “Mbbbfffgghh…..”
Digby: “Que?”
Unknown male voice: “Asoka no hace hablondo con usted. Lo siento.”
Digby: “Porque?”
unknown male voice: (laughing, and in ingles) Because my dick is in his mouth!”
“Might R77 be Turkle under a new ‘handle’?
Interesting idea, asia, but I don’t think so.
Turkle seems a whole lot smarter than the rocket77.
Plus, turkle has advocated stopping immigration into the US.
More importantly, turkle understands the differences in usage between “there,” “their,” and “they’re.”
shecks: “Global Warming may or may not be a factor, RE: ‘Burning near Alpine, Arizona is now 389000 acres and 0% contained.'”
Maybe, maybe not?
Consider this description of the Great Fire of 1910, a fire 10 times larger than the current one:
“Hot and dry like no other”- in other words, the 100-year event soon to become a regular thing, as 100-year events become 10-year and then yearly endeavors.
I agree completely with you about Forest service policy, originally formulated by this nut:
Gifford Pinchot, the anti-Muir “conservationist” had this to say in his 70s:
Vlad,
I don’t think it’s world wide communism these people are gunning for. It’s more like an inverted form of communism where the transnationals will own all the world’s wealth and resources, leaving everyone else abjectly poor. They will have the privatized armies at their disposal.
I agree that the idea of egalitarianism is good for equal protection under the law, etc. But obviously not all people have equal talents. That said, I don’t think that’s the problem we’ll be facing.
Nice blog post, tripp.
And a dynamite title: “addition by subtraction.”
That had to have been a hot feathery mess getting those suckers into the freezer, I’ll bet.
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On a different topic, I whacked down some big tall lettuce plants at ground level and let them drop, with minimum tillage. (That was a strange feeling.) Then I planted some leftover corn/bean/squash seeds in the old lettuce bed as a 3 variable experiment.
So far so good. An unexpected side benefit has been a couple of salads worth of fresh tender lettuce – harvested to get sunshine on the new seedlings.
Maybe you’re going to make a more serious permaculture convert out of me, yet.
OK, Wage, let me see if I can get the link to post.
http://www.webofdebt.com/
go figure –
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And this banker thing is a conspiracy all right – by most definitions.
I still think that it’s just Free Market American Capitalism, now concentrated in the FIRE sector. (Finance, Insurance, Real Estate)
But having exhausted targets in the third world, American (mostly) FIRE investors are turning to the west – striking first at the PIIG’s. (Portugal, Iceland, Ireland, Greece, (spain?))
After that, FIRE will turn more strongly against the US – trying to buy up valuable physical assets and privatize Social Security.
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so –
Asoka wants and has presumable voted for those who advocate:
1. unlimited incoming immigration to the US
2. Sharia law on US soil
3. Mexican takeback of Arizona, California, etc.
And now, NOW – he’s leaving this diabolical mess that he has helped to create – to live in another country, which will never have unlimited incoming immigration OR Sharia law.
Nice, asoka, real nice.
Courageous, too.
(sarcasm light to Full Bright)
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asia, you guess rocket77 is asoka, instead.
Asoka types a little better, but maybe he’s trying to “dumb himself down” to match more of the world’s multitudes that he claims to contain.
Rocket77 –
I linked to your first post to CFN.
And I’m starting to feel a little sorry for you, because you complemented the thread “hello to all you smart folks,” and you asked a simple, even reasonable question:
concerning “….advice for escaping this increasingly ridiculous country…”
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But then within a matter of hours you were linking Wagelaborer’s question about tendencies to alcoholism in Native Americans to the politically correct discussion stopper “eugenic science.”
Then you start getting your panties in a wad because our resident grammarian/spellchecker, Q, catches you in a variety of errors that a well educated 4th grader should not repeatedly make.
Finally, you tell a poster, “yes, you are guilty of xenophobia…,” because that poster thinks US immigration rates should be the choice of – wait for it – US Citizens.
And you seem like a fairly nice guy.
And you’ve got some unique internet insults.
And you say you’re a recent college grad.
So, I feel sorry for you –
But, I’ve got to tell you
You did not get an eduction to go with that degree
– you got a brainwashing.
It’s not too late. You’re a young man(I’m guessing), yet.
All you’ve got to do is learn to think for yourself.
Piece of cake, right?
Never, say ‘never’….Read “America Alone’ by Steyn?
Did R77 address a post to you [or was it WG] yday,
some long diatribe about Genetics?
But s/he forgot to hit ‘reply’..out of curiosity I went back yday to see what/who he was so concerned about.
Also education is indoctrination, did you see in this weeks thread about amish ‘just go to 9th grade’…whys that? They get their edu/indoctrination at home.
Not to beat a dead horse, Asoka, but PLEASE reconsider before you and the Missus pack up for your new homestead:
“Because of the hype Vilcabamba receives as being a modern day Garden of Eden of sorts, many who have invested there feel that this is not the kind of bad press that Vilcabamba needs. However, something has to be done. In Ecuador the police protection is minimal, at best, and there is little or no respect for harassment or rape charges. With no strong forensic science, a witness is required to even being to do anything against a sexual offender, and even then many of the police can be bought for the right price.”
This from The “Equador Gringo” site. Asoka, PLEASE! I BESEECH YOU! …I’ll send more for you in uno momento….
From the same sight: Asoka: PLEASE PAY ATTENTION! “…police say technically sexual manipulation is not rape so he pays the cops off and is out in a few days… plus most ladies flee embarrassed and do not report it… And even more ladies do not speak of it or admit it at all… those that do are on vacation and do not want to waste so much of their time to press charges and those that do report it to the corrupt cops the reports fall on deaf ears.
Dear god, think of Mrs. Asoka, if not for yourself!
Thanks for that link. I used to roll my eyes in exasperation at people who ranted about the federal reserve and the banking system, but that was before 2008 when the bubble burst.
As a barber I had this longstanding inchoate negativistic stance in which I found the cheerful conformist dullards to be exasperating so I was always telling them “we’re screwed, get used to it.” And they mostly thought that I was a crank until 2008. Now not so much. Of course now I’m working at a totally retrograde blue collar type place where everybody has a concealed carry permit and a high percentage of the clientele are cops.
Let’s put it this way: sometimes I hate being right. There can be no doubt at this point that capitalism doesn’t fucking work and needs to be replaced with something else even if we’re building towards massive civil unrest.
At any rate if and when society collapses the “top 1%” aren’t going to be doing so well either, and not if the end result is cannibalism. People can write all they want about their vegetable gardens but I see cannibalism as the end-game, just as it was in Leningrad during the 1,000 day German siege Harrison Salisbury wrote about. This was the same Salisbury who wrote “Red Star Over China” and eventually came to be known as Ho Chi Salisbury during the Vietnam debacle, speaking of other things we’ve managed to fuck up beyond all recognition. Maybe we’ll luck out and the space aliens will adopt us and teach us to stop pissing and shitting in our own drinking water.
-some long diatribe about genetics-
asia, concerning R77
The rocket man got in a big kerfuffle with Wage, Qs, and me over genetics.
His point seemed to be that individuals can overcome their genetics given an appropriately Uplifting Environment. And I’ll concede that that point is true enough – for individuals.
I was hoping to help him see that, for all of our Human Free Will to choose Uplifting Environments, human POPULATIONS are members of the animal kingdom – and, ultimately, large human populations are subject to the laws of genetics, especially over long, multi-generational time frames.
It’s the sort of argument that a biologist or a geneticist would enjoy. Rocket strikes me as more of a social science or liberal arts grad, of some sort.
Sorry, the mistakes of misspelling and committing typical type errors doesn’t speak to my intelligence, or even not knowing how to use those words. It does speak to not typing on a regular basis and simply being out of practice.
You and the other simpletons who’ve seized on those mistakes resorted to that because I made you feel stupid for not being able to support the simplistic statements you’ve made. I asked you several times to elaborate and continue what was to me a very interesting idea, but you chickened out.
You can try and spin my admittedly stupid but minor mistakes in your favor, but you can’t avoid the fact that you abandoned any worthwhile attempts at discussion I made with you. The posts, in entirety, show your cowardice and hurt feelings. Yes, and my silly and unpracticed spelling errors.
I have no issue with Wage. I felt the exchanges were amicable, even if we disagreed on something. I had other exchanges that were very useful and only required me to respond in deference, as it was immediately obvious that I was dealing with a person genuinely knowledgeable and more experienced.
You, Progressorconserve, are just an idiot who posts nothing but anecdotal bullshit gathered from people much brighter than you are. Same with the others you’ve conveniently allied yourself with. So eat shit, and don’t write to me any further if you wish to believe your own lies.
And in that meager reply to something I wrote, you still haven’t adequately explained your reasoning. Casting aspersions about my character, education and what not is all you have. Buffoon!
and those that do report it to the corrupt cops the reports fall on deaf ears.
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Weee doan neeed no steeenkin rrrape charjezz, haaa haa ha!
I was hoping to help him see that, for all of our Human Free Will to choose Uplifting Environments, human POPULATIONS are members of the animal kingdom – and, ultimately, large human populations are subject to the laws of genetics, especially over long, multi-generational time frames.
It’s the sort of argument that a biologist or a geneticist would enjoy.
–progressorconserve–
Don’t shit yourself with self-flattery, moron.
My post spoke directly to a top anthropological researcher’s recent work. It’s all in the thread you’ve so conveniently editorialized. You truly are fuckin’ stupid, lady. And so is anyone who reads the thread completely and sides with you. You’ve distorted terms and blown precision completely out of the water while managing to spell impeccably. Congratulations, genius.
Let’s try this one more time, rocket77
“for all of our Human Free Will to choose Uplifting Environments, human POPULATIONS are members of the animal kingdom – and, ultimately, large human populations are subject to the laws of genetics, especially over long, multi-generational time frames.”
-PoC-
That’s my point in a nutshell, rocket.
Care to debate?
I was hoping to help him see that, for all of our Human Free Will to choose Uplifting Environments, human POPULATIONS are members of the animal kingdom – and, ultimately, large human populations are subject to the laws of genetics, especially over long, multi-generational time frames.
–progressorconserve–
What kind of hokey logic is this. You’re probably in your 60s and you’re claiming that my writing mistakes are worse than those of a fourth-grader. Well, madam, your logical incongruities are equivalent to the ramblings of a mongoloid.
Wage, I feel for your friend, as I have a friend who had a similar experience. My friend is a fantastic person, but NOT maternal in the least way (contrary to popular opinion, not ALL women are possessed of the maternal instinct, and that’s a fact). She NEVER wanted kids, and knew that from the time she was a small child. (And she’s not gay either 🙂 She never wanted to play with baby dolls or anything like that. It took her asking and annoying repeatedly from the age of 18 to the age of 35 to get a doctor to agree to do the surgery. And even then, they made her have her mother come with her to the final consult, and the doctor spent an inordinate amount of time talking to her MOM about HER DAUGHTER’s life choice not to have kids.
And even then, finally, she tells me that they had her on the damn GURNEY actually going into surgery, and they were all still asking her “ARE YOU SURE?” And she told them one more time, point blank . . . “Yes, this is my FINAL answer! You can take ALL THAT SHIT OUT, tie what’s left in knots, set fire to the fucking knots, and then cauterize any piece of living tissue you can find left behind regarding my female plumbing, and I’ll be happy with the result! ANY MORE QUESTIONS?” 🙂
Sometimes, women DO say exactly what they mean 🙂
You have an unsupported premise and and unsupported conclusion rolled up in to one soaring ball of phlegm.
You lost any chance you might of had for a discussion with me lady. Go ‘head and dismiss me like you did earlier, and I’ll do the same.
Fuckin’ amazing.
Nice try, digby, but no cigar. The situation concerning rape and sexual assault is much worse in the United States.
http://www.rainn.org/statistics
Every two minutes, digby, every two minutes.
“My post spoke directly to a top anthropological researcher’s recent work”
-rocket-
Rocket, I looked your guy up; nice resume.
I can’t find any of his work that addresses this particular question. If you’d provide a link on an excerpt, I’ll dive into with gusto.
Waiting on you.
And again, the insults are a distraction.
I do feel that you were brainwashed by your degree program – based on evidence. It won’t hurt my feeling if you prove me wrong; again, based on evidence.
And the insults don’t help your case one goddamn/cocksucking/motherfucking/minute/motherfucking minute. And you’re a maroon, but not as sarcastic as I.
And I don’t disagree, completely, about the frequent typing, grammar, and spelling thing.
Consider Q to be a free service that will help you excel in the real world.
But, dude, “their, there, they’re” is something that your 4th grade teacher should have beaten out of your head – let alone your major professors grading your papers – in college.
And those doctors who refuse to give a morning-after pill regimen to a rape victim, deserve a special place in hell (if it did exist 🙂 That’s absolutely horrible, IMO. If a rape victim CHOOSES not to take it, that’s one thing, but to be REFUSED the treatment? Jesus H. But glad to hear that your one doc rallied behind on that issue, regardless of his other faux pas 🙂
Howdy Qshtik, so lets guess. who is this Rocket 77 guy? He sure posts a lot for a newby. I promised myself I was done posting to this racial, religulus, bullshit clusterfuck. But I am addicted, beat me with a ruler. . hahahahaha.
In the USA 60% of sexual assaults are not even reported to the police and 15 out of 16 rapists do not ever spend a day in jail. You picked the wrong area to show your American Exceptionalism.
hey wage, the weather has been very strange around here lately. we had tons of snow,(not so unusual), then a wet spring with the seeds rotting in the ground,(again not so unusual), but last week we hadd huge Tornadoes( very unusual) and tonight, Dry lighting storms which I have never seen around here. I have seen them out west, but these bolts flashed from horizon to horizon, with nary a drop of rain! Very strange! I have not seen anything like it around here in my 54 years. As Tripp says, “Gaia is not in a good mood right now”!
So I write a post and it gets withheld. Two paragraphs. Spider writes a couple of books a day and they go through. What is up with that?
-regarding harassing patients over tubal ligations-
TT and Wage, the only two things I will add it that ob/gyn specialists are usually male. (Which is sort of eerily weird, when you think about it – but I’ll wager that these doc’s in question WERE male.)
OK, so that’s not an excuse, it’s just sexism.
But the other thing, is that most of the OB’s I have known – and I’ve known several – genuinely LOVE babies and families. Which means that they think everybody ought to love babies and families.
No solution, here, just an observation. Would we want obstetricians who HATED babies, though?
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The idiocy about the “morning after pill” and RU486 is something else altogether. Those should be very freely available, and a doc or pharmacist who refused to prescribe should lose his/her license.
Bye, Bye! CFN
{Off shoring and the library racket …}
Damn. That sucks, Lew. I used to work for the library, many years ago, as the executive director’s personal secretary . . . I have high respect for librarians as some of the very last people to “sell out” their ideals based on my experiences with them . . . I lived in south Mississippi at the time, and my director would go toe-to-toe with the religious zealots who’d freak about art books depicting nudity as somehow being “nasty” and “ungodly” all the time. She was on the front lines of the push for making sure that internet censorship and and book banning was not allowed to happen, and I watched her put her ass and her career on the line more than once over principle. Everyone thinks of librarians as some nice lady behind the counter who stamps your books, but those folks are (or at least they WERE) on the front lines defending the free-speech rights of John and Jane Q Public. MUCH RESPECT!
Well, he’s certainly no reincarnation of a previously banned personality.
Just came across JHK and really enjoy his writing. Brand new to many of the ideas he offers, too.
For the record, I’m not a pro-blogger. This is only the second blog I’ve ever posted on.
As part of an ongoing experiment with an old college prof, I’m contrasting and comparing this with a student blog at a local university.
Way out of practice rolling with adversaries, yet the old tenacity is still there; however, the skills are mos def a bit withered. Sorry for the slang. The language fairies are sure to come git me now.
Cheers ripped.
“Bye, Bye! CFN”
-rt-
The Hell you say, RT. You can’t leave us. I’ll come up there and drive a bamba’lance across your foot if you don’t move it.
The “held for review” thing is weird.
I think it’s based on some kind of algorithm that JHK or his admin guy is running.
Has anyone written JHK to complain or ask whatthehell may be going on, here.
This isn’t a great big blog.
I’m pretty sure he’d be concerned if it’s making him lose readers and/or posters to CFN.
I never said they wanted Communism – they invented Communism to do just what they are doing. It was one and only one of their “projects”. It suceeded magnificiently in destroying huge Traditional Nations that would have resisted them. Those Nations, the old Soviet Union and China are now roughly “Capitalist” – and much more vulnerable to what they intend.
Egalitarianism as a way to proctect equal rights? Either you got me all wrong or you are consciously twisting my words. Egalitarianism is utterly evil and results in Tyranny. Goverments always play favorites – which is why the Founders split up the powers of Goverment and did all they could to limit Goverment – at least in theory.
You are a Communist, aren’t you? As such, you can ONLY see one side of the Dialectic they play. You will never see their Left hand. Give up all dogmas and become Free and Wise.
Jacob Schiff of Kuhn and Loeb (now Chase Manhattan) lent the Russian Revolution 20 million gold sterling – an enormous fortune. My old boss Leo said “Well they’re bankers, they’ll do business with anyone”. But we know that he was personally delighted at the sucess of the Revolution and that they were only paid back much later. It was obviously far more than business to him – and the likelihood of being paid back at all was not so good.
Ummm………..I guess you told about how the third world is superior in its criminal justice behavior system. Golly, I guess we all need to learn a thing or two from our third world neighbors. Hope you never have to serve time in a hell hole like Caseros, as I did in the early ’80s. Though I fought off many an hombre who wanted me to be his “novia”, I weaned myself off of drugs (mescaline and hash) while doing hard time in the hole. You’re right, the police down there are fair and right as rain. Bon voyage, mi amigo bueno!
Behold!
http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-boise/idaho-to-be-first-chinese-state#ixzz1OJ6YMszy
Also, check out Anne’s (Coulter) new book “Demonic, How the Liberal Mob Is Threatening America”. It looks to be the best one yet. I think I’m in love.
Are you sure Lucan is against banning all books? Bet you’re wrong. Librarians are among the most liberal people in America. And Liberals aren’t liberal anymore.
Well, madam, your logical incongruities are equivalent to the ramblings of a mongoloid.
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That’s funny! The most offensive thing you can do to a red blooded male is mistake him for a female (madam).
And about your use of the word “mongoloid,” it went out with “retard” years ago as politically incorrect (see below). We no longer have drunks, druggies and glue sniffers, we have “substance abusers” … and retards and mongoloids are now “developmentally delayed.” Even “hermaphrodite” has been replaced with some innocuous watered down term (so as nobody’s feelings get hurt) which I forget.
–noun
4. Anthropology . a member of the peoples traditionally classified as the Mongoloid race: no longer in technical use.
5. ( usually lowercase ) Pathology . (no longer in technical use) a person affected with Down syndrome.
{No solution, here, just an observation. Would we want obstetricians who HATED babies, though?
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The idiocy about the “morning after pill” and RU486 is something else altogether. Those should be very freely available, and a doc or pharmacist who refused to prescribe should lose his/her license.}
Absolutely on both counts, Prog. We want “baby doctors” who LOVE babies, and I’m sure they see many more women who want babies than they do the women (like my friend) who ABSOLUTELY DON’T. But it really shouldn’t be so hard for a woman who has a 17-year record of asking for this surgery, to get it. Or even a shorter history, like Wage’s friend. There needs to be more respect for a woman’s individual wishes. And I’m pretty sure that if the other alternatives like freely-accessible BC (without religious zealots manning the booths at pharmacies, refusing legally-prescribed medications) were available to more women, then the abortion rate would rocket downward. Of course, the goal is to have everyone hold an aspirin between their knees until Prince Charming drops in, but how fucking realistic is that? Sex is sold as a commodity through every single media channel in this country (and globally). It permeates the days and nights of every single person living on this planet, the biological imperative, that is.
Personally, I am 42 years old and that ship has sailed for me. I am not one of those women like my friend who has no maternal instincts . . . I do. But, I’m a bit old-school in that I think children should have a stable family, and a good, solid mother AND father to bring them up. I never met the right man in my child-bearing years, and so I wasn’t interested in doing it the hard way . . . it wasn’t a burning priority in my life to have a child and then spend the entirety of the rest of my and it’s life trying to provide a good home single-handedly. So I did the responsible thing and opted OUT of the game once I reached an age where it would be physically more difficult for me to reproduce. Instead of chasing that burning biological clock, I chose to simply ACCEPT that motherhood is not in the cards for all women, but that does not mean that I can’t have a full, beautiful life otherwise. And I have many beautiful children in my life, who I love dearly. I hope this makes some sense 🙂 I have a neighbor who just turned 40, and her desperation is PALPABLE . . . she will settle for ANYONE, ANYTHING, that might knock her up, and her dates are generally rather loser-y and questionable, IMO. I’d rather live a dignified life as a mature woman, than continue to chase the dreams of a younger woman who has lots of time left to fantasize about what a deal motherhood is 🙂 Because on the face of it . . . not such a deal, when objectively approached 🙂
“That’s funny! The most offensive thing you can do to a red blooded male is mistake him for a female (madam).”
-q, to rocket, concerning PoC-
You’re projecting, Q.
I do notice a lot of posters doing this, though.
Someone is always referring to “asoka-herself.”
And there’s a lot of, “you’re a pussy.”
No, “you’re a pussy,” even on CFN.
Which makes one wonder how posters with a genuine XX-female genotype feel when someone calls them, “pussy.” Would any of you women care to comment on this? I would be interested. No, I’m not kidding. Seriously, girls!
Fortunately, the misadventures of a Democratic congressman have recycled an old insult for males, bringing it into the 21st Century and making it applicable here.
You’re a Weiner!
In the USA 60% of sexual assaults are not even reported to the police
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Instead, everyone who gets sexually assaulted and, for whatever reason, does NOT want to report it to the police automatically knows that they must report it to a special guy (with a secret address and phone number) whose job it is to gather the data on “unreported” sexual assaults so our sex crime data won’t be totally fucked up (i.e. under-reported).
Have I fairly summarized the situation Asoka?
BTW, the “stinkin badges” riff was just for fun.
{Are you sure Lucan is against banning all books? Bet you’re wrong. Librarians are among the most liberal people in America. And Liberals aren’t liberal anymore}
I’m still pretty liberal, Vlad. After all, I listen to your racist bullshit every week, and I manage to pick out the gems and toss the turds 🙂 I’ll even venture to say I like you, dude, because you’re HONEST. I’d rather an honest racist any day, than a goddamned lying banker, man 🙂
Bye, Bye! CFN
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I don’t believe for a single moment that you won’t be back here posting before long. You’re just temporarily annoyed … been there done that.
But, if you were really serious the way to exit is to say “Buh bye.” It’s from a memorable SNL skit where David Spade is playing a smart ass flight attendant and he is disingenuously smiling and saying “buh bye” to each departing passenger.
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It really doesn’t bother me, Prog. As you may have noticed, I use the f-word frequently 🙂 I rather like the non-censored air that Kunstler allows to flow in his comments section. When pin-haids annoy me, I let them know, and I’m usually kinda rude about it myself, so I can’t judge.
True equality is allowing men to call you a cunt, and it not really bothering you 🙂 And off on a small segue . . . “cunt” doesn’t offend me, for some reason. No more than “pussy”. I know it’s supposed to be the ULTIMATE insult but it just doesn’t really register why it would be SO MUCH worse than any other insult, at least for me. It’s all supposed to be degrading to women anyway, but I guess it would bother a man more to be called a female derogatory term than it would be for a woman to be called a “dick”, right?
So feel free to call me a “dick” anytime, dudes 🙂 I am in fact a bit of a dick sometimes 🙂
Q said:
I know you are not going to believe me, Q, but I swear there are people who do surveys of victims of rape and sexual assault and they compile data in a report called the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) based on real incidents.
And you are not going to believe this either, but there are these places called hospitals, where people who are assaulted receive treatment although they often protect a “loved one” by not revealing identities of the perpetrator, as you say “for whatever reason.”
Your point is well taken, though. The NCVS is probably under-reporting the actual rates of rape and sexual assault. It’s probably more than 60% that are never reported to police.
Black countries have the highest levels of rape – unless kept in check by European Justice. South Africa is now the rape capital of the world. As America’s immigrant population has soared and as America’s police are now overwhelmed, our level of rape has risen.
Quite right. I am a nice guy. The Truth is my Goddess and I worship daily. She is the One who tells me to offend Liberals – once skilled, one can offend two or three groups in one post or even one sentence.
One trick of Librarians at large Libraries is to put the books on Eugenics and Race into Research where they will never be seen by casual browsers or people unskilled in library useage.
And here we go again –
“Black countries have the highest levels of rape”
-vlad-
How does this incessant recourse to race help your cause, Vlad.
What exactly is your cause, by the way?
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Your comment was # 568, vlad. I’d venture to say that less than 5% of comments (28.4 comments??) this entire week were directly related to this sort of sneering racism in which you seem to specialize.
From memory, I believe that ALL of these racist/race related comments were either FROM you – or else a direct attack/response TO you.
A little bit of racist talk makes the whole blog look racist – according to many of our posters – many of whom quit after getting sick of the racist blather.
(right, rippedthunder)
Talk about something else, Vlad.
For example, you could ask asoka about the under reporting of crime in minority and immigrant communities – and how that might skew the crime statistics in those communities.
That’s a real problem for the country – and you should not have to sound like you’re a sneering racist when you express concern about it.
I’m through for the evening.
“cunt” doesn’t offend me, for some reason
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Some years ago Mrs Q and I were friends with a couple (Frank and Anita) who were notorious for their foul-mouthed squabbles. I wrote two limericks about it. When you read them the emphasis goes on the bolded word or syllable.
1. Anita’s sentiments:
There are so many names for a dick
Like pecker, rod, putz, and joystick
You got cock, tool, and pork
The ever popular dork
But when she’s pissed at Frank he’s a prick
2. Advice to Frank:
You can call it a snatch if you want
Or for some other name you can hunt
There’s gash, muff, and twat
I like pussy a lot
But don’t ever call it or her “cunt”
Coulter, even She wouldn’t be able to get along with you due to yr ‘Race Card’.
I read ‘TREASON’..an Amazing Book!
However I was a Bircher so the lefts loving the 2 greatest Murderers in recorded history etc is old news.
She offered new facts and Incidents.
10.13 PM Today……….
‘You have an unsupported premise and and unsupported conclusion rolled up in to one soaring ball of phlegm.
You lost any chance you might of had for a discussion with me lady. Go ‘head and dismiss me like you did earlier, and I’ll do the same.’
Then some such about ‘Madame Monoloid’……..
POSTED IN RESPONSE [IN ERROR?] TO HIS OWN POST!
[Actually I had a Downs brother, now deceased..
but I wont take it personally].
Idaho officials have been traveling to China and entertaining the Chinese here, in order to help facilitate this. Idaho is a resource rich state and the Chinese know it, as does Obama, who keeps snatching Idaho land. Otter, Obama and the attack on business in America paves the way for China to own us. A Chinese firm is building a fertilizer plant in American Falls Idaho. Ironic. China has bought fifty square miles of land south of Boise, thirty thousand acres of Idaho gone to foreign nationals. Governor Otter says this will help reinvigorate our American industrial base. Just how this will do it, since the plants will be staffed with foreign nationals is a question that remains unanswered……………………..
SICKENING
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Yeah, I think the whole zombie phenomenon, the current craze, is just a ploy to get us thinking about cannibalism. To desensitize us to the idea. “Brains! Brains!”
You know that economic activity in the USA
sums up asymptotically close to zero when
the puppets on the biz channels speak about
GroupOn and Zynga for days as if we should
be waiting for weeks with baited breath for
their respective IPOs. Sheesh.
Then there’s all the “blue sky” smoke being
blown up our derrieres about the “resurgence
of the auto industry”. Wow. I guess the
narcotizing of the populace is so complete
that maybe they’ll even believe that the
OPEC meeting failed because of “disagreements”.
Do they really believe that the depleting
Ghawar field can be “re-goosed” so that Saudi
Arabia can continue to be the “swing producer”?
Then again, if I ran into anybody in public who’d
even HEARD of the Ghawar Field I’d have a cardiac
infarction due to the sheer shock of meeting an
informed soul. Another Kafkaesque anomaly of
this “Leaden Age” is that “educated” people
don’t know shit because they, too, are consumed
with text messaging, watching the Real Housewives
of Atlanta, reading convoluted/badly written
manuals for the latest tech gadget they just got
from Fry’s Electronics, or wondering what the
latest “hot” investment is.
The king is dead, long live the king!! That’s
a good metaphor for this belief in FINANCIAL
PRODUCTS that should have died after two crashes
in a decade and the obvious ontology of America,
2011. Still, even people I know who fancy that
they have a philosophical bent want to know if
they should short bonds, bet on emerging markets,
buy an annuity, etc., ad nauseum.
I’m proud to say that if the tax year ended today,
nearly half-way through 2011, I wouldn’t have
even one Schedule-D transaction to report. And
I intend to “keep on keeping on” because, frankly,
it’s obvious that what little capital is left in
America is being bled off by brokers. Nassim
Nicholas Taleb is right … DE-FINANCIALIZE YOUR
LIFE. If you don’t, then stop bitching about the
financial service industries because you’re doing
their bidding if you continue to believe that
you’ve found a “hot tip”.
The only thing “hot” right now is that fire in
Arizona. Other than that, you’re left with
the biz channels musings about useless web IPOs,
the resurgent auto industry, and whether banks
in Europe are “undervalued” as HSBC (yet another
crooked outfit) avers. Yeah, right. I guess
their version of the FASB also allows them to
claim that assets worth one penny on the dollar
will fetch you that full dollar.
Tragedies, as the saying goes, seldom come alone.
E.
Things have changed in Library Land. Oh, there’s still a strong current of freedom to read or look at anything you want to. But a lot of systems have been seized by a kind of techno-maddness And, the whole off-shoreing or out-sourceing everything possible.
And, library privatization is beginning to become a trend. Whole city or county systems are under pressure to privatize.
Then there’s disintermediation. AKA Taking out the middleman. More services foisted on the patron, rather then being done by a library worker. Self checkout. And, my favorite little boondoggle, self pick up of holds.
You put a hold on some item that isn’t immediately available and sooner or later it lands on the open hold shelves with your name on it. So that A.) all your friends, neighbors and relatives can see exactly what it is your reading these days. And B,) if it’s a best seller or a hot new video, it might not be on the shelf because it never occurred to the powers that be that PEOPLE STEAL FROM EACH OTHER!!!
So, the library worker is put in the unenviable position of having to apologize profusely, put the item back on hold, shuffle the item to the top of the hold list and hope that the next time around, it won’t be lifted. Glad I’m out of it.
That last was for truthteller.
Thanks for the link.
I will peruse it, because I really believe in individualism and human resources.
You do not know me and my husband, you would be surprised how two people can run a very comfortable life with little.
We do everything by ourselves (or mostly) and we do A LOT.
We both were freelancers and we both stopped working.
We work for ourselves now and for our money too.
Life is so interesting, everyday something new to learn.
How to do this and how to do that.
And how to do it in the best way.
Computers and Internet help a lot.
I am just sorry that life goes on and we begin to be too old for planning long term projects.
Unfortunately our children care mostly for enjoying life with technological stupidities, as most jung people of today.
Today I was watching CNBC and the guy who manages the largest hedge fund in the country said that the debt of the United States government is 100 trillion, not 62 trillion as USA Today had reported. These sums are staggering, those are his words.This man seemed reasonably intelligent.
Now how anybody thinks that the stock market or anything else can survive intact in the face of the level of debt is beyond me. And yet many of these jerks sit on there talking about how they can separate corporate America from the mess around them. They blather on about how cutting taxes for the wealthy and degregulating things that aren’t being regulated is going to fix things.
Not a word about putting an end to the global economy, which is what destroyed our industrial base in the first place, not to mention our tax base.
LLB said:
Things have changed in Library Land. Oh, there’s still a strong current of freedom to read or look at anything you want to. But a lot of systems have been seized by a kind of techno-maddness And, the whole off-shoreing or out-sourceing everything possible.
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Most local libraries have turned into “laptop
villages” and the modern MLS degree has turned
into a weird kind of “Database Administrator”
degree.
The idea that the computer is the solution for
every possible human work problem has infected
education, libraries, and, of course, nearly
every workplace. I can tell you that at my
school, the computerization of simple processes
that used to be doable on paper in five minutes
has turned five-minute tasks into two hour tasks.
Instructors have to attend newer workshops every
year as every single thing they do involves the
use of a badly-written program which saves ZERO
time and actually generates MORE paper, not less.
There must be seven or eight workshops now which
are “How to …” workshops for using byzantine
software for course-outline updating, internship
recommendations, asking the facilities plant for
a trivial office item or fix, running online
classes (which is a joke), running hybrid classes
(part online, part face to face), etc. etc. etc..
I suspect that it’s the very nature of the
modern workplace that fills the heads of average
people with minutiae (control-D, escape, F5,
then type “foobar”, dammit!!) so that their
BRAINS ARE ADDLED. Minutiae are DRAINING and
since they have no intellectual content, they
become DISSPIRITING.
The computerization of EVERYTHING, in my opinion,
is one reason why people seem to have no psychic
energy any more for conversation, activism, or
anything else formerly considered the province
of red-blooded humanity. We’re all busy
memorizing character sequences for fifty
different functions of our fax machine, “smart
phone”, laptop, and TV remote.
We’re drained zombies.
E.
Whether the “real” debt is 62 trillion or
100 trillion is essentially moot. I mean,
most average Joes on the street don’t REALLY
know what a “trillion” really is and in
ordinary life we seldom encounter numbers
higher than a million and even that only
if we’re buying an opulent house.
The notional value of derivatives on the
planet might be one QUADRILLION dollars
but what in hell does that MEAN?? These
numbers were formerly only used by astronomers
and other scientists who deal with large things
like Avogadro’s number (roughly ten to the 23rd
power).
In fact, since many of these large numbers have
NAMES in science to spice up their inherent
dryness, I propose that we start quoting the
national debt in fractions of Avogadro’s number,
the number of stars in the universe (around one
SEXTILLION), or some similar farce. The public
wouldn’t notice because a sextillion is no more
absurd to them than a trillion.
Now, let’s all count together to one trillion.
Once we’ve finished (not enough seconds in the
human lifetime to finish but let’s not get
picky), we only have to do it 99 more times
to get an idea of the national debt. In fact,
if we count by one number per second (impossible
once you reach the thousands), we would need
about 330 years to reach ONE trillion. Roughly
four human lifetimes devoted to counting to ONE
trillion and, therefore, 33000 (!!) years to
count to the national debt.
I think that about puts it in perspective.
E.
Also this is thanks to computers…without digital money we wouldn´t have been able to reach those numbers…at least working with them.
The truth that nobody says is that trillions, quadrillions or whatever they will never be paid back unless we take away a lot of zeros with inflaction.
The winner, as usual, will be the one with the biggest debt.
If a few people have huge debts they will be forced to pay, if the majority has big debts, money will just become obsolete.
Wipe out and begin from scratch, there is so much time ahead and so much memory in the State computers.
In principle money is not even paper, it´s numbers, all the rest is “just” people.
Touche! :o)
(Good rejoinder, sanctimony aside.)
RippedThunder,
Did you get to “enjoy” the amazing thunderstorms that raced through [late] last afternoon? …And how ’bout that monster that blew in, middle o’ the nite-ish? WOW!
(We’re the capitol of lightening strikes here, but the high winds accompanying these storms was a bit too “awesome”. I think we’re gonna see a lot more of this kinda thing.)
I think my ability to abstain from this site needs improvement. yea Ozone, the storms were incredible! I tried to post about the storms last night. I was rejected and felt insulted! I have never seen such weather here. I went down to the tobacco fields for a big sky view. We had a “dry” lightning storm, the likes of which I have not seen since I was out West. Lightning from horizon to horizon but no rain! Gaia is not in a good mood!
To Prog, I almost spit my coffee out, What the F is a Bamba’lance? some sort of southern speak for ambulance?
Q, you read me like a book! The flesh may be weak but the mind is weaker!
ALWAYS worth the wait, Tripp.
I’ll peek in…
In principle money is not even paper, it´s numbers
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Exactly, Patrizia.
And there is an infinite supply of numbers.
One less thing for me to worry about.
Thanks!
Has it been a year?
“For a long time now, we have been done in by industry in insidious ways. They have killed, maimed, poisoned or otherwise dis-eased millions upon millions of people through various products of convenience (always convenience, again, such a terrible word, the etymology, Con-Venue, coming together to do great harm, believe or not).
So we’ve had Non-stick cookware, aspartame, cars (cars, terrible things, have killed and maimed so many, but as long we remain statistically safe, we continue to use them, so convenient after all), microwave ovens (really really bad), Mobile telephony (terrible curse, no doubt a sickner, but so convenient), GMO, GM foods in particular….the list goes on and on and back in history.
All these deaths by a thousand cuts were released to the public backed by spurious studies telling us they were safe, quelling a vocal minority on the disastrous after-effects of said introduction.”
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/06/11/deepwater-thinking/
“…So I write a post and it gets withheld. Two paragraphs. Spider writes a couple of books a day and they go through. What is up with that?” -RT
Hmmmm,
‘Could be that camo-clad keyboard “warriors” gots themselves a bit more pull than yourself. Taking up most of the available “scroll-width” with mind-numbing bullshit is a good way to discourage people from attending a blog to discuss “reasonable” concerns.
These comments by yourself and also eleuthero remind me of exchanges with the ignoranti which go something like this: “don’t make me think! How do you know this shit anyway?” To which I reply: “they hide this information inside of books, which is why nobody knows about it!”
Just think, something that doesn’t run on electricity! But it’s largely inaccessible because after all, they hid it between the covers of a book. And as we all know, only weird people disappear to read books. And reading is difficult because you’d have to stop watching the tot-mom trial for a few hours in order to do that. Because we need to leave the televisions on at all times, which of course compels us to at least hear whatever tabloid crap is being spun on Headline News by the perky over-enthusiastic dull normal retired beauty queens they employ to practice the art of news abuse, or delivering continual content free updates on the latest tabloid fodder which no one outside of the immediate family even needs to know about aside from prurient interest, and second, doesn’t even qualify as news because such outrages occur daily but only become interesting to tabloid consumers when such episodes involve white people.
Our libraries here in Cuyahoga County have fared pretty well financially as the county library and the metroparks system are voter’s favorites. The local branch looks more like a video rental store than anything else. Upstairs are the computer monitors so the poor people can have email accounts and google matters of vast import such as “redhead blowjobs” so there is no longer any effort to restrict content which is accessed. And believe it or not they still have books, just not anything that would be of interest to someone with highly developed and specific interests. For that you have to go to the network of used book stores in amazon.com’s network where you can order whatever you want for as little as $0.50 for a used paperback plus S&H. Because when I’m ready to go I want the book in my hot little hands ASAP so fuck all this waiting on inter-library loans nonsense. Besides, I like having book lined walls in the room where I watch my favorite anthropological shows like “Swamp People”.
LAST POST ABOVE MEANT AS REPLY TO “LEWISLUCANBOOKS”
“…Then there’s all the “blue sky” smoke being
blown up our derrieres about the “resurgence
of the auto industry”. Wow. I guess the
narcotizing of the populace is so complete
that maybe they’ll even believe that the
OPEC meeting failed because of “disagreements”.
Do they really believe that the depleting
Ghawar field can be “re-goosed” so that Saudi
Arabia can continue to be the “swing producer”?” -E.
Killer post, in its’ entirety, E.
…Yes, it’s become howlingly clear that the Saudi’s fields of black gold have reached “production peak”. Now it begins, and [as you infer] most jerks won’t have a clue as to what hit ’em.
I was watching the light show from the pressroom loading dock last night about 2AM. It looked like the strikes, and most of the electronic activity, was from 30-40 miles north. I was thinking, “Ripthunder is catching it tonite, yessir!”
Couldn’t stay away, RT? I have the same problem myself.
Some pretty good posts there, Eluethero, on the true state of the economy. The other day on CNBC I heard one of the hosts describe AIG as a “strong and dynamic company”. Then I remembered just a few years ago the government gave them $195 billion to keep them from bankruptcy! I guess they thought we forgot already. A strong and dynamic indeed!
-Marlin
Prog:
That has to be one of your most sanctimonious and contrived posts to date. But speaking of destruction, why not a conversation on the monolithic voting pattern that has defined the South? You never fail to express exasperation when JHK stereotypes people from your neck of the woods, and yet, the voting evidence is indisputable: The South is not idiosyncratic; it has been very, very predictable, electorally,culturally and – AND MILITARILY – speaking. But you’re concerned about peaceful Ol’ Asoka? What a crock of shit, Progressorconserve.
I have a little bit different perspective. It is not that Saudi Arabia suddenly does not have the oil. They still have oil. It is that they have realized they have less than they thought (by 40%) so they are intentionally “keeping their powder dry” and “saving it for a rainy day” to mix metaphors.
This is not my hunch. This is based on USA-Saudi diplomatic cables (revealed by WikiLeaks) saying Saudi Arabia might reach an output of 12 million barrels a day by 2017 but before then – possibly as early as 2012 – global oil production would have hit its highest point … peak oil. The Saudis have simply realized the crunch point is closer than ever previously thought. Hence, the OPEC non-decisions.
The Saudis aren’t stupid and they don’t appear to be experiencing panic. They are just taking care of business, every day, in every way (and not working overtime).
SH….Is this a ‘moral equivalent’ Theory?
Fact is USA allows 70? MILLION Visitors each year.
Many of whom commit crimes from drunk driving to murder!
Some of whom don’t leave when their legal ‘visit’ is up.
See BLOOMBERG REPORT…May 30 ‘CARGO THEFT, THE NEW HIWAY ROBBERY’ See the pix and faces of the
armed robbers! Are they citizens?
As they kill and hijack trucks loaded with mega million dollar cargoes.
Is it just me then? You’re making me paranoid!
I agree that the bankers will turn on the US, but not in the future. They’re doing it now.
It’s like Bustin points out about global warming. It’s always presented as a future event, but it’s happening now.
Pro, it was a Brilliant post! Ignore studbuck.
The article I referred to is in Bloomberg Businessweek. Required reading for studbuck.
Beautiful place, asoka.
I hope that you will help defend it from US multi-nationals who want to destroy it for profit.
‘our children care mostly for enjoying life with technological stupidities, as most jung people of today.’
May you and yours stay ‘Forever Jung’. Luv and Peace from L.A.!
I IMPLORE ALL TO READ WHAT VLADDIE HAS LINKED TO!
Is it the truth?
Ha, ha, that’s great.
And I’ve heard similar language from other women.
Hi, ripped. You too, huh?
Heads up on your future weather.
Hot! With lots of mosquitoes.
OK, maybe it is discrimination. Against me and ripped.
I just tried to link to an ode to librarians from Kurt Vonnegut and Michael Moore, for Truthteller and Lucan.
The blog administrator held it.
It annoys me, prog.
Especially the asoka herself guy.
Just being called a female is an insult?
Geez!
I’m not offended and I didn’t mean to come across that way.
I’m not hijacking our culture. America hating and Canada hating liberals are doing their damndest to accomplish that. You say our culture can’t survive racial mixing. I say it can. Like I say Vlad, I’ll believe the evidence of my own eyes.
I’ll tell you a story. A number of years ago at work I was dealing with one of the guys from a big four accounting firm by email and over the phone on an issue for a few weeks. And then one day he dropped by our office so we could go over some stuff face to face. The chap had a white bread anglo saxon name and a locally accented voice. From the sound of his voice I expected a pale, weedy, clammy looking accountant. So guess who shows up? A portly, dark skinned, almost black fellow with east Indian features. I never asked him but I would guess he’s probably of Caribbean origin and of mixed Black/Indian parentage. He was married with kids and a homeowner in a suburb of Toronto.
The thing Vlad is that Corporate Canada and the accounting firms are ruthless assimilators. Nobody gives the slightest damn what colour your skin is or how your voice is accented and so I’ve worked with a multitude of people of widely varying racial and national origins. But in the corporate world we lived in a pressure cooker and so you got with the program. There was no time or inclination to put up with cultural/racial/religious fissures. You worked as a team and you met your deadlines or you were fucked.
“It annoys me, prog.
….
Just being called a female is an insult?
Geez!”
-wage-
Yeah, I figured it might annoy a couple of you – ladies-damn, strike that –
annoy a couple of you women. (see, I may be slow, but I can eventually get with a program)
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My opinion is that those who go to gender type insults as the most powerful insults in their arsenal have – oftentimes – some deep seated and unexamined gender issues left over from childhood, dating, or marriage,
but their is more than won opinion on the topic, and I’ll tee the idea up into a run-on sentence to attract the attention of some one who may enjoy sparring on these issue, per haps.
Peak oil footnote:
Much of the debate over peak oil has moved from a discussion of below-ground concerns (geology) to above-ground concerns (politics and resource nationalism).
While geology is difficult to change, above-ground problems can move quickly from a negative to a positive outlook (and vice versa).
For example, The US Energy Information Administration estimates Iraq’s proved reserves at 115 billion bbl, ranking the country third in proven reserves behind Saudi Arabia and Iran.
This number is derived from appraisals by the bidding companies of each of the fields put up for auction, which were then circulated among all of the bidding companies. The aggregate reserves of those fields were just short of 80 billion bbl. Very few countries have this type of data supporting their official aggregate reserve number, and no other countries in the Persian Gulf region.
The addition of Iraq’s proposed new production seems certain to delay a peak in oil production, whenever that may occur.
I don’t know either – I’m in the other side of the state. And interestingly enough, we don’t hear much about Boise up here. Spokane is our big city. We need Dale – gasp.
Hey Marlin, Yea,we we got spanked again last night. Last week tornadoes and last night just a bunch of branches at my house. Nothing bigger than 2″. Ol’ Helios be gettin’ a bit uppity lately. Wait till next year at solar maximum. We ain’t seen nothin’ yet!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_3u_0NN7OM
“Is it just me then? You’re making me paranoid!”
-wage-
Yeah, wage, me too – a little bit. This is one of those “hide in plain sight” conspiracies of Free Enterprise that really may screw things up beyond the point of solution. Where is Hancock1863 when you need him?
“I agree that the bankers will turn on the US, but not in the future. They’re doing it now.”
-wage-
Yeah, I don’t disagree that it’s already happening, Wage. And that it will pick up speed.
Keep your eye on the Greeks. They may have the courage to try to stop it.
The problem is that voters in the US (especially RW voters) are so brainwashed to vote against their best interest that it will be unstoppable, here. I don’t understand that and would like a RightWingNut to explain it for us. Where is TooTsie in one of his many wackadoodle incarnations when you need him?
“It’s like Bustin points out about global warming. It’s always presented as a future event, but it’s happening now.”
-wage-
Sadly, I’m beginning to concur about this, more and more. Where are unselfish people with common sense when you need them?
Oh you think I made that up? Google Rape Capital of the World – and then apologize to me. As ever, you are more concerned about appearances than terrible realities – like the person who complained bitterly because someone called the police to report a crime – it might hurt the real estate values.
It was no different in the South after the Civil War. Massive rape of White Women by rampaging Negroes. Until White Men stood up.
Ask Asoka? Hilarious. Try this: ask a Black to say one thing wrong Blacks have ever done. Watch them sputter. Keep going: ask a Jew to name one thing wrong Jews have ever done. Watch the eyes dart back and forth. Don’t stop: ask a Muslim to admit one bad thing Muslims have ever done. Get ready for dramatic denunciation of yourself. Get it Prog? They can’t do it. Only we can – and we have become ill by misusing this great gift. We will denounce ourselves for hours – in front of Blacks, Muslims, Jews, etc. But we can’t admit any of our own great goodness – even to ourselves. And then comes the compensation: “I’m not like THOSE Whites who don’t think they’re shit. I’m better than THEM. Much better.” There: I have exposed the whole psychic structure of Political Correctness. And you don’t think it’s worth talking about! It’s the end of us unless we can recognize this and heal ourselves.
2nd Peak oil footnote:
The major oil companies say there is enough oil to last for decades. Advocates of peak oil believe production will soon decline. In reality, much of the disagreement can be resolved through clear definition of the grade, type, and reporting framework used to estimate oil reserve volumes.
While there is certainly vast amounts of fossil fuel resources left in the ground, the volume of oil that can be commercially exploited at prices the global economy has become accustomed to is limited and will soon decline.
The result is that oil may soon shift from a demand-led market to a supply constrained market. That’s another way of saying “energy descent.”
THERE ARE SEVERAL SOLUTIONS:
1) The capacity to meet the services provided by future liquid fuel demand is contingent upon the rapid and immediate diversification of the liquid fuel mix. (Brazil, for example, has gotten beyond complete dependency on petroleum liquid fuel)
2) The transition to alternative energy carriers where appropriate. This is happening, although slowly.
3) Demand side measures such as behavioral change and adaptation. CFN is working on this, right?
The successful transition to a poly-fuel economy will also be judged on the adequate mitigation of environmental and social costs.
My apologies if I am posting too much on peak oil.
trippy, when my sunflowers would bend in two from the wind or just being too top heavy i’d lift them up, tie a split around the bent section and in a week or two it’d be all knobby and hardened and good to go, there’s some kind of styrofoam liquid inside sunflower stalks, semi-sticky, that’ll fix ’em up, they’ll keep growin’ and flower just like normal.
that plus just running a thin cord in amongst the stalks at a strength-helping level, when one pulls one way in the wind, the others that are cordoned to it give it support, and vice versa. very simple.
might be advisable to station some huge stones nearby to break the wind, or not? just cogitating out loud.
shalom from brazil, where the persimmon is good
Just how this will do it, since the plants will be staffed with foreign nationals is a question that remains unanswered……………………..
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Well,.. we know that KFC will be making a killing. They might even hire an extra white supermench to handle the increased chinese traffic. ‘Would you like some fries with that?’ Now practice! Who knows, you might get lucky and actually land yourself a job. But wait, you’re not white ubermensch. You’re just a lowly slovenly schwarze.
“That has to be one of your most sanctimonious and contrived posts to date.”
-buckstud-
Buck, you’ve hit me over the head with a non sequitur. Let’s review:
asoka wants unlimited immigration into the US
asoka wants Sharia law on US soil
asoka wants Mexico to perform la reconquista
asoka wants to leave the US for a country where these things are less likely to be operative.
I suggest that this displays selfishness and lack of courage on the part of asoka.
You – mostly, and somewhat angrily – tell me that we need to examine Southern culture and voting patterns.
-non sequitur-
I would tend to agree with Mr Krantz here, despite my objections to his constant defense of fascism.
You seem like an intelligent man with a lot of real world experience, but going to through school, learning manners and learning to like baseball, hockey or whatever, being book smart doesn’t make you a European. That’s what we’ve done in the U.S, every dickhead that can learn English and spout all the patriotic homilies is a good American, it doesn’t make them European, not to me.
Again, Vlad, what exactly is your goal?
Don’t you think a little subtlety might be to your advantage, occasionally?
Please tell me that you aren’t trying to argue from Corporations to Culture as a whole? Sure the Asians will tend to lose their culture in those environments – as do Whites. Corporations are trans-cultural. They create their own stunted cultures – strictly hierarchical, pro-homosexual, anti-children, etc.
In any case, what you propose (as if it wasn’t already decided without asking anyone) is a terrible risk. What if you’re wrong? The very way they have gone about it shows that they don’t give a shit about the culture of Canada, the US or any other Western Nation. You hate the Elite, but in this you are as one with them. They say it’s a done deal and you are happy with that.
And now the People are waking up. Are you willing to enforce all this against the will of traditional Whites? Are you willing to spill blood for this secular religion of your’s? I’m glad I didn’t offend you, but I must say you seem quite ruthless to me. Yet you have alot of respect for Traditional People and their folk ways. A complete contradiction.
“just within a given race there is an incredible diversity of talents and IQ’s”
–justanotheruninformedracist–
Actually, silly rabbit, for a given population, intelligence quotients do not exceed the demonstrated intellect of the group’s smartest member. In fact, most societies end up being rather average in range of intelligence, not wildly diverse in IQ as claimed. Intelligence, as many refer to it (IQ), is limited to a sliding scale and is trapped by the context of what an IQ test purports to represent. IQ is not more than a measurement of collective, expressed knowledge relative to an individual’s scoring on a Gaussian curve, an assessment of an individual’s ability to collect and recall the acquired knowledge of the group and demonstrate so in the test. IQ’s say everything about the type of group-think social manipulators desire, and nothing about the variety of ability and intellectual rigor individuals might possess. IQ’s were invalidated as sufficient descriptors of wit by most hard-scientists years ago. However, IQ’s remain a tool for the lesser grade of pseudo-science practitioners — social scientists – whose primary aims are characterizing and maintaining the status quo ante mentality, and only have meaning in the playground of pet theories that comprise the social-sciences. Clearly, the “scientific” arena from which the resident racist(s) of this blog have wrested their inimical views about race derive from gleanings of social-science works of literature, making their statements about long ago discredited racial supremacy laughable out of hand.
Further, IQ’s can’t account for a Black Swan effect on the collective intelligence, either; whereby, sudden discovery or emergence of intellectual attributes that far outperform the best IQ within a group can change everything the supposedly brightest minds of the day once believed about their environment. History’s examples of extremely bright people who’ve successfully bumped the population’s intelligence up a notch show that surplus intelligence is of short supply, limited to barely a handful, compared to the vast sea of shit-heads that lap the Earth’s shores. The Black Swan effect conduces to revolutionizing human understanding in such a way that the highest IQ person now living might come to look like a slovenly dolt caught waiting at the bus stop for a cheap ride on nature’s machine that’s already left. Racists are the dolts waiting for the rest of the world to re-realize their imaginary supremacy.
3rd Peak Oil Footnote
The United States Geological Survey estimates there are between 2.5 and 4.5 terabarrels (TB) of ultimately recoverable resource (URR) limits with peak productions from 30.4 to 38.6 gigabarrels per year (GB/yr) for URRs from 2.5 to 3.0 TB in years through 2016. Then they expect peak productions from 30.9 to 33.5 GB/yr during the years 2018 through 2023. (I have no idea what will happen in 2017.)
This, without using the words “peak oil” is the USGS way of saying we are headed towards energy descent. They just put the dates out farther than most on CFN would(e.g., Asoka says 47 years).
Whether you look at national estimates, industry sources, or academic geologists, there is a consensus that peak oil is coming and there is consensus that it will happen in this century.
C’mon give me a break. These crucial issues have been ignored for generations. Now they are killing us. And you angrily ask me what’s my point. Deal with your own resistance – and get some of your Pride back. You call yourself “a Loyal Son of the South” yet you are glad the South lost. It’s bullshit.
As for slavery, many in the South wanted it ended as well. And many in the North wanted the Blacks sent back to Africa. All of these good men have been betrayed by what actually has happened. Can you imagine what Washington, Jefferson, Robert E Lee, John Adams, Abraham Lincoln, Jefferson Davis etc would have thought about how Whites are now discriminated against and preyed upon in the very cities that their ancestors built – by the descendants of the slaves?
Who are you responding to, rocket?
If you’d go back and link to that particular post, it would aid understanding of your answer.
Um, reports of mass rape sometimes prove unfounded, but they are ever popular in war propaganda.
I was just watching the head of the ICC announce that Ghaddafi is passing out viagra to his troops, so that they may better rape the rebel women.
Wasn’t it Q who pointed out that viagra is for increasing the performance, not creating the desire?
Yesterday, I saw a report that women in the Congo are raped at a rate that works out to 48 rapes an hour.
Really? There must be a LOT of viagra handed out in the Congo.
Years ago, some black criminals from Chicago (I knew you were going to ask, so there it is) came to my town, robbed a pawnshop and took a young mother hostage, so that they could make their getaway.
The owner of the shop, an older woman, offered herself instead. A true hero, in my eyes.
The cops started chasing the car at very high speeds, which is against the law.
The driver of the car, driving faster and faster, lost control and ran into a tree, killing the hostage.
I was outraged, but my friend thought that it was better that the woman was killed, then raped, tortured and murdered by the criminals.
How did she know that the woman would be raped and murdered?
She just knew. Based on years of TV watching and crime novel reading.
So who is an American? Who qualifies? Do Black folk qualify? Is it just people of Anglo Saxon origin? What if they have some Native blood? I wish I had a buck for every time someone with lily white skin told they were 1/8 Blackfoot or Cree or whatever. I’ve heard that German surnames are the most common in the US. Do they qualify? What about a jarhead with a non Anglo surname that won a Medal of Honor? Does John Basilone make the cut? He got one in WW2 and a Navy Cross and a Purple Heart. He was KIA in WW2. But his parents were of Neapolitan origin.
Man, I’d love to move South and learn to gator hunt.
Random. I know.
Vlad gets fiercely angry at me for not being racist.
Others on CFN get fiercely angry at me for opposing “unrestricted immigration to the US” and for opposing “Sharia Law on US soil.” This group says that these positions are xenophobic and that holding these positions is –
EVIDENCE OF RACISM, IN AND OF ITSELF.
I disagree.
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Others say that merely TALKING to a racist like Vlad, even in a neutral manner on an anonymous internet forum – is evidence of racism on my part.
I disagree.
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Vlad, I may get back to you on some of the rest of your post. I’m out of time right now.
But it might help CFN understand where you are coming from if you could try to explain what you would like to see happen.
What would you like to see happen, within the realm of reality and possibility – In the United States, as we find it today?
People are conditioned to vote against their economic self-interest because they are subconsciously supporting what they imagine to be their side in the ongoing culture wars whose inception was in the tumultuous ‘sixties. Conflict and polarization are also prime features of the tabloid mentality.
Such types like to imagine that they are “contractors” rather than blue collar serfs. They vote Republican for the same reasons they say “ain’t” instead of “isn’t” or refuse to learn how to pronounce foreign words correctly. As pointed out by George Orwell the English as well thought that it was effete to pronounce foreign words correctly. They also insist upon driving more vehicle than they actually need as because they think that econoboxes are effeminate. After all, what could be more manly than to drive an F-250 super-duty with running lights atop the cab and a long trail of Red Man juice on the left side of the truck where you neglected to put enough force into your last spit of chew? In reality you are most likely using this massive truck to take your toy poodle named Fluffy to the dog groomer.
And so on and so forth ad nauseum ad infinitum. Amerika Uber Alles!
No I’m saying that people learn to get along when they work together. Because if you don’t you get your ass fired and then try and make mortgage payments, car payments, support payments with no income. That prospect focuses the mind powerfully. You learn to speak the same language, live by the same rules. Something like the army without the shooting. Highly regimented, tightly controlled. And just by simple day to day contact and conversation and personal observation cultures get transmitted. People learn what is acceptable behaviour and what isn’t.
Corporate culture is not all multinational. Some firms stay strictly domestic. I worked for a long time for an American multinational. But I can tell you that there are aspects of American culture and Canadian culture that did not cross borders. For instance we in Canada got into a scrape with our Japanese colleagues over an issue of “face” (it was the issue of which company subsidiary would do the billing for a particular contract). To us it was pure mechanics, how do we avoid unpleasant tax consequences? To them it was a matter of life and death. They would lose face with the client.
I have respect for “traditional” people and their folk ways? I take it you mean Aboriginals? I look at it like this. The elk aren’t coming back. Neither are the plains buffalo. A lot of Natives are in a real fix. They can try to hang onto traditional ways. But if I were them I would move on.
OK, one more comment and I’ve got to do a little honest work.
“Man, I’d love to move South and learn to gator hunt. Random. I know.”
-rocket-
Rocket, going gator hunting involves a two part request. I know a bunch of ol’ boys who would probably “love” to take you gator hunting.
As a friendly gesture on the part of CFN – not only will I take you out gator hunting. I’ll promise to bring you back. heh. heh.
Bossier, you interested in going?
“So I write a post and it gets withheld. Two paragraphs. Spider writes a couple of books a day and they go through. What is up with that?”
Substance is the only thing worth censoring…
“Maybe you’re going to make a more serious permaculture convert out of me, yet.”
If I do, my time here will not have been in vain! Always a little unexpected bonus gift when you do things the right way, no? Fresh, sweet lettuce for salads in June in Jawja? That is a good trick. Good luck with the 3 sisters. I’ve never quite gotten it to work right. Beans do well in this row, corn in that row, and squash in the other. But then, the area I planted my experiments in was the last tenant’s cultivated and fertilized garden, so chalk this season up to soil repair. Plenty of biomass anyway, whether I get much in the way of corn, beans, and squash or not. On the other hand, the bed I fortified for wine cap mushrooms and had volunteer spaghetti squash come up in is unbelievable. There must be a hundred big squashes out there, hopefully with mushrooms coming up underneath as the weather cools down in a few months.
Carter’s Grove!
Are you willing to spill blood for this secular religion of your’s? – Vlad
Give me a scenario.
Or rather let me give you one: someone tries to lay a finger on my wife. It will happen over my dead body because otherwise I will gut them. Answer your question?
better that the woman was killed, then raped …
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Now here is a perfect example of why it is necessary to get then and than straight. Personally I prefer my rape victims alive.
😉
I guess I can’t claim that after the car crash, they raped her?
Hi Wage, That is a sad story with a tragic outcome. The line that gets me is the “black criminals from Chicago” part. Sounds a lot like somebody who now lives in a big white house! :0)
Oh Shit! now I am on the watch list again! It’s to damn hot outside and I have tons of chores to do. Instead I waste time on this great time waster known as the internet.
Yes, it was truly sad. I admire that woman’s courage.
One may be in the big house, but the other also died in the crash.
After this happened, there was a lot of controversy about the car chase.
So the next time they were after someone, they threw down a tire puncturing device.
The criminals made it through before they got it down, and the cop car had its tires punctured!
Hey Q, I don’t know about that last comment . The live ones struggle too much! Now that is sick. You want gallows humor come aroun’ the house some time, it seems to be a stress reliever.
orocon, the right wing nuts vote against their best interest because they know they are despised by the left who wants only to “help” them. they know that their helpers look down at them from their great intelligence on high. even an animal can sense when he is hated. so they turn to the lesser of two evils.
i have actually been gator hunting and i still have the cowboy boots. it was a lot of work and my fingers were swollen the size of cuban cigars for a couple of days afterward. i learned my lesson the first time on that one. i leave that to real cajun men now.
LOL. Careful. You’ll get the reputation of a Neo-Luddite and “Not a Team Player.” As I did. 🙂
Years ago, a woman (not a librarian) who I didn’t think very much of, did say one rather intelligent thing. “Computers don’t make less work, they make different kinds of work.”
Remember “the good old days” when you could walk up to any piece of “tech,” say a washing machine or telephone and have a fair chance of figuring it out? Now, everything has a 200 page manual.
And, they keep telling us that using computers is “intuitive.” May I say, bullshit? And it’s not like it’s a skill you can learn and have with any … longevity. It’s like trying to keep up with a moving target.
Recently, over on Michael Greer’s blog, the software changed a bit. I had posted to it in the past, but suddenly the sign-on process changed and I couldn’t figure it out. No notice. No instructions, anywhere. After several attempts, and a couple of hours of fiddling around, I finally figured out how to do it. Same with Tripp’s blog.
Apparently, those two blogs are somehow tangled up with Google and I had to join, or register with Google to get them to work. Of course, I always wonder what the unintended consequences of this might be. Will I get more spam? Have I compromised my privacy even further?
I just want instructions. Clear, simple instructions that I can follow. “Follows Instructions.” Used to get pretty good grades in that, back in grade school. 🙂
I’m glad I’m old and won’t have to put up with all this techno-bullshit much longer.
i would like to take rocket on a nice dove hunt with a bar b q and a swim in the frio afterward. hard to tell on cfn he might be ok in person.
and Ozone … When I was a kid we used to visit Nebraska, every other year. Oh, the lightening storms! We didn’t see it, but one year the SW spire of Chimney Rock was blasted off. They found chunks of sandstone in fields five miles away.
Out here, we have lightening storms, but not much forked lightening. Mostly, the clouds just light up. Probably subject to change, the way the weather is going. We had a small tornado south of town, last week. Not unknown here, but unusual. Probably subject to change.
Hope youze guyze stick around. Even though if we knew each other up close and personel 🙂 we probably wouldn’t see eye to eye on a lot of things, we’d probably get on, knowing what to talk about, or not talk about. Or, agree to disagree. I enjoy both you’re posts.
The post from Ripped about crabbing the ladder truck down the street on Memorial Day was worth the price of admission.
Yo, Marc; Yesterday I sold a set of Brittanica’s Great Books to a young (from my point of view) couple. All 54 volumes for $75. Less then $1.50 per book. Pretty much the entire Western Cannon. We paused for a moment to consider that.
They had their 7 month old baby with them. A silent child who just took everything in. Cut kid, if you like that sort of thing 🙂 .
“Pagan Christ” is waiting for me at my local library. I’ll pick it up, tonight. In the meantime, I’m reading “Keeping Faith; A Skeptic’s Journey” by Fenton Johnson. A man looking for faith via experiencing Western Monasteries and Buddhist Monasteries. Along with a lot of other stuff. Interesting that an accident (?) of time and space placed him growing up near the Trappist monastery of Gethsemani in Kentucky. Thomas Merton’s old stomping grounds.
Any-who. I checked out his web-site and discovered he was working on a meditation on solitaries and hermits. So, I dropped him an e-mail telling him how much I enjoyed “The Geography of the Heart” and wondered how the meditation was coming along.
An exchange of a couple of polite e-mails. No great correspondence developed. But this morning, there was an e-mail in my box. He’s doing a reading the end of the month in Seattle, and will be traveling by train to Portland. Time is short, but he wondered about a stop in Centralia and a possible reading in my bookstore … LOL . Well, he doesn’t know … I’m afraid he’d be doing a reading to an audience of one …
At best, I’ll probably walk over the block to the station and wave a hanky as his Anthrax train barrels through.
Glad you’re here to.
Marlin we just got walloped, my wife was in the basement. I got some decent video . maybe I can link to it later. I see on the radar there is a torndo vortex headed your way. Stay well my friend.
Some people don’t blind themselves to the truth – even though the Media desperately tries to tell Whites that Blacks aren’t any more violent than Whites. So in the big cities, they’ve taken to not saying Black if a Black did it – which give it away of course since they will say White or Hispanic. And the stupid names like La Shawn or Crackisha.
Another piece of fun: the Goverment mixes Whites and Hispanics in the crime statistics to make Whites seem far more violent then they are. But Hispanics get their own category as far as crimes perpetrated against them.
Ouch! Hasn’t been a good couple days for hacking holes in the roof to run a stone facing on the chimney. Oh well, I think we’ve got the latest mortar job covered just enough to keep it from melting back into a puddle on the ground. I’ll go out after the downpour and hose ‘er off (no streaks down the stonework, please)…
It was heartening to read this op-ed piece titled “The Earth is Full” in yesterday’s NYT. Though the message is grim it is finally reaching the main stream.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/08/opinion/08friedman.html?_r=3
“I have a little bit different perspective. It is not that Saudi Arabia suddenly does not have the oil. They still have oil. It is that they have realized they have less than they thought (by 40%) so they are intentionally “keeping their powder dry” and “saving it for a rainy day” to mix metaphors.” -A.
Okay, that’s your takeaway from the latest repartee. I did not say they “don’t have oil”. I said, they’re at PEAK PRODUCTION. (IOW, they can’t squeeze any more “barrels per day” out of their fields. There’s no more increasing daily production to mitigate pricing pressures. They’re at the top, and it will be downhill [production-wise] from here on out.)
Believe what you like; I’m pretty positive my conclusion is more correct than your “holding-in-reserve” one. Smoke and mirrors (also known as rampant bullshittery) on the part of the Oily Sheiks.
Believe what you like; I’m pretty positive my conclusion is more correct”
Howdy LLB, I think cut kids are cute too! At the gym where I go(yea right) the kids are ripped. Don’tcha wish ya’ could recall your comments for correction? :0) I don’t need no steenking’ gym. I dig holes. Anyhoo, one of my pet peeves is the huge focus on team sports in this country. I have a friend with two girls who played high school basketball. both of them had torn acl’s and needed surgery. There knees will never be the same. My nephew was a star pitcher in high school,super curve ball. he got a college scholarship out of it. two years into college, uh-oh, rotater cuff surgery. His shoulder will never be the same.
Average age of farmers in the US – 58. Japanese bringing in Chinese to farm their vacant fields. The most important job of all but there’s been no money in it.
Your book store sounds like the one that was across the street from me when I had my own barbershop for 7 years. When it was slow I could hang out in the bookstore browsing while still keeping an eye on Marc’s Brutal Hack Jobs for Social Cretins.
I got a full set of Encyclopedia Brittanica, 1982 edition, in mint condition for just $20. I realize the classics are a different publication of originals written by the great minds, or what have you.
I also want to be a hermit but a hermit with satellite tv & internet. I have lots of faith just no belief. You will enjoy The Pagan Christ and if it blows your mind remember what Timothy Leary said, “turn on, drop out, tune in”. There’s been a great deal of internecine verbal brutishness amongst the Clusterfuckians this week! Some of them may need to visit their analysts & renew their valium prescriptions.
Read not the Times but the Eternities – Thoreau.
Nothing is older than yesterday’s news. Why try to “keep up” with the evanescent? Who can run that fast? As Heraclitus said, you can’t step into the same river twice. The water is different? Yes, but No – you are what has changed even more.
“i would like to take rocket on a nice dove hunt with a bar b q and a swim in the frio afterward. hard to tell on cfn he might be ok in person.”
-bossier22-
Yeah, you may be right that he’d be OK in person. So as long as you could keep him and me off the topic of human population genetics and xenophobia we might do OK, too. Sounds like a great day! I haven’t been dove hunting in years.
Somehow I knew you’d know where to find us some ‘gator hunters, although I don’t think you’d ever mentioned it on CFN. If you’re in Bossier Parish – what’s your mention of the “frio” referring to.
I had to Google it to find the Frio River in Texas. That thing looks awesome to me, as a life long SCUBA diver – got to be a couple of good holes in it. Plus it drains into a reservoir, they say. Or is their another “frio” in LA.
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And, thanks for the explanation of the politics of Right WingNuts – who vote for the interests of the rich instead of their own interests. You too, BubbleHeadMarc. I still don’t quite “get it” but the lights may be slowly coming on for me – after almost a year of political (and other) tussles on CFN.
CORRECTION: “TURN ON, TUNE IN, DROP OUT.” Dr. Timothy Leary
History’s examples of extremely bright people who’ve successfully bumped the population’s intelligence up a notch show that surplus intelligence is of short supply, limited to barely a handful, compared to the vast sea of shit-heads that lap the Earth’s shores. The Black Swan effect conduces to revolutionizing human understanding in such a way that the highest IQ person now living might come to look like a slovenly dolt caught waiting at the bus stop for a cheap ride on nature’s machine that’s already left. Racists are the dolts waiting for the rest of the world to re-realize their imaginary supremacy. -Rockout77
Good ‘un Rocket.
I especially liked the “vast sea of shit-heads that lap the Earth’s shores”. Nicely turned phrase! ;o)
(Don’t ask me why some seem so threatened by your posts; I don’t get it, m’self. -shrug- Let ‘er rip.)
Vlad,
I’ve been too busy working to catch up, but.. calling me a communist is truly odd.
Back when I started posting here I said communism doesn’t jibe with human nature. (I said jive and Q went crazy–very new to me at the time, but I can learn–and did.
Anyway I’m listening to Celente on Prison Planet..very good from 6/8/11
http://geraldcelentechannel.blogspot.com/2011/06/gerald-celente-economic-marshall-law.html
Read the great Neo Traditionalists: Rene Guenon, Fritjof Schuon, Huston Smith, Martin Lings, Titus Burchardt, Seyyed Hossein Nasr, etc – and then choose a Tradition. Revelation is an outflowing of God to Man. The religions are the tidal pools left behind by the wave. Most of these guys chose Islam (Sufism to be exact) since being the most recent Revelation, it is perhaps the most vital. But in any case, choose you must – or be left to wither on the beach waiting for God to come as Death or Terror.
What are your sources for your conclusion? -A.
My own screaming paranoia; I never believe anything until it’s been officially denied.
I’m glad you’ve never been lied to; that must be nice. Please continue consuming official pronouncements; they’re there to make us feel good about kneeling on command. Enjoy!
Nice couple of comments to Vlad, Cash.
The one where you said that if anyone threatened harm to your wife, “It will happen over my dead body because otherwise I will gut them. Answer your question?”
That’s gonna stick with me, Cash – as a visceral response from the heart. I feel exactly the same way about threats to my wife and family, by the way.
I think that’s why I can’t just ignore Vlad – the way he expresses his ideas represents a threat. With you (I’m sensing – and hope I’m not overstepping) the threat and miscegenation blather has to become personal at times.
With me, it’s a more free-floating and pernicious threat. I’ve become increasingly convinced that an overpopulated US means death at worst, and hell on earth at best – for the whole planet.
But most every time I go into a public forum (meatspace or cyberspace), I run into someone of Vlad’s ilk – “Hell yeah – inferior Mexicans – electrify the border and feed ’em to the ‘gators.”
And because there are a few noisy racists running around saying this sh*t – all the “open the border” advocates with an agenda have learned that screaming down anyone with an opposing viewpoint by saying, “That’s RACIST, That’s RACIST,” over and over – will stop all productive discussion.
It even happens on this oddball and freethinking CFN forum. I know I’ve got people who scroll by me – just because I’ll try to talk to Vlad or whatever.
One poster admitted that he considered me to be either, “Vlad-like,” or “Vlad-lite.” I forget which it was – but it wasn’t pretty.
ClusterFucked, indeed.
Turn your face from your mirror; seems like the moon is out of place;
Drive hard, to the ocean; sensing there’s no time to waste;
Like a Siren in the night; singing over sky and sea;
You will ride with the waters; you know that it was meant to be.
Black water, dark tide…
Feed the eternal flame, so little time remains;
What’s that burning in your blood?
What’s that you hear, rushing quickly near,
With the power of the flood?
Black water, dark tide…
“My own screaming paranoia”
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Thank you for your reply.
I would advise that paranoia is highly overrated.
When I was at the Kansas City airport getting searched a big fat TSA agent with a crew cut haircut and a big belly wearing blue rubber gloves rubbed his hand over my crotch. They also felt up a 75 year old man in a wheel chair and a 65 year old grandmother. I asked the guy what he suspected I had in possession? He replied: “Anything.”
I then told him that “anything” is not a “reasonable suspicion” and that the search was unconstitutional. I hold the TSA agents that they should be embarrassed for searching a 75 year old gentleman in a wheel chair.
This is a test.
Here is a link to a video of interest to CFN, covering factory farming, fast food, debt slavery of farmers, and immigrant workers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIPv7AIqgSA&feature=player_embedded#at=16
LOL. Dropped an “E.” I think it’s time for a new keyboard. Seems to be more and more of that, lately.
No, actually, I was referring to cut vs un-cut. Circumcised vs uncircumcised. It was a home job, and the folks wanted to display their handiwork. 🙂 .
Summer may not have arrived in this corner of the world, but the silly season is here.
OK, for the first time in two days, I posted a link!
FYI – don’t accuse Cash of loving his wife.
It makes him squirm.
Don’t get Tripp or I started on the evils of circumcision!!
It’s not cute.
LOL. I used to go to the local “Beauty College” down the street for my hack jobs. But, when they started pushing $5 (without the tip) it was time to take action. The young women there were always so nervous. I’d always just tell them “Look. I’m not fussy and it will always grow out. Just relax!” Besides, I’m well into “follicley challenged” territory.
I saw a nice German clip set in a mail order catalog, but they wanted $35 without the postage and handling. So, I checked my local hardware store. “You don’t have…” But they did. Nice German set for less then $25.
So, when I get a little shaggy, I just slip in the 1/4″ guide and hack away til nothing hits the newspaper I spread over the sink.
Valium prescriptions and years of intensive psychotherapy.
They get off on it. How else do you expect somebody that ugly to get to feel you up, as well as grampa and gramma Walton? He might have been trying to find out if you were “cut”. Sick bastards! I’m leavin with Asoka. Gonna build an adobe hut next door. Make sure nobody messes with my “homey”.
Gotta step in for Q here. It’s “Don’t get Tripp or ME started…”.
For the record, I don’t scroll over you. But sometimes reading the exchange between you and Bladder reminds me of watching old reruns of “I Love Lucy”.
Or, vaccinations. That sets Tripp, off, too. 🙂 . As with most friends, there’s just some stuff you don’t talk about. I could care less if Tripp decides to circumcise or vaccinate his kid. No emotional investment, here. His call.
Besides, the other night I pulled a copy of “One Straw Revolution” out of a box. Pristine copy. More then halfway through it. It’s a permaculture thing. So, who did I share the news with? Tripp, of course by e-mail. He’s one of the few people I know who would get almost as excited as me, and help celebrate my good fortune.
Damn. It was intentional. Spoiled all my fun! 🙂
It’s probably the first thing he’s written to my knowledge that makes any sort of logical sense. (not to say that I’m logical, or have any sense.)
“I would advise that paranoia is highly overrated.” -A.
…As would be gullibility.
Your advice is highly appreciated (and its’ value is commensurate with its’ cost); nonetheless, it will not be acted upon for the nonce.
Thank you for your patronage!
Please feel free to place your suggestions on how we might better serve you in the circular file, adjacent to the incinerator. ;o)
Corporate Culture is at war with Human Culture everwhere – even if they aren’t mult-national. The question is whether you people will let my people go when the time comes. We need more Icelands and less Corporate, Globo, Multi, etc. More homogenous Nations.
By Traditional I meant it in the broadest possible way – including Whites.
Damn! Busted twice in one day!
Like you said, there are some things you just don’t talk about. For example: Vlad – blacks and mexicans, Asoka – immigration, Asia – gays and chindrians (whatever that word means).
Sometimes, just for shits and giggles, I pull out the Brittanica volumes, I enjoy the articles. I’ve done it since I was a kid. I will take a hardcover book any day over some stupid KINDLE any day. Shit I can throw a book at a dude at work! Most of them don’t even read the newspaper!If I did that with my mighty KINDLE I would be hesitant. My wife thinks I am nuts. She will be into Star dancing and Millionaires, go figure. She is just as smart as me? but has been duped by pop culture. We are doomed!I can’t butt heads much longer!
“Summer may not have arrived in this corner of the world, but the silly season is here.” -LLB
Kewl! I was wondering when it would get here. ‘Tis the most welcome season of them all! :o)
(“He was as good as his word, and he kept the silly season in his heart all the year ’round…”)
digby, I changed my position on immigration.
I agreed with you that if you want to patrol your borders, go for it.
Good luck since it has never worked.
I liked what sparrowhawk said on the subject:
Build big 150 walls all around the USA and don’t let anything in or out… see how long you last without immigrants.
CORRECTION
Build big 150 foot high walls all around the USA and don’t let anything in or out… see how long you last without immigrants.
Well, I am looking for a copy of that book, also. If Tripp doesn’t want it, I do.
Alternate – If Tripp doesn’t want it, me do.
Wage,
That worked just fine.
Good movie, but damn, there’s hardly ANYTHING in the supermarket that’s appealing after viewing it. (I would suppose that’s one of the intended results. ;o)
I headed for the ice cream sam’mitches, but then I thought of the poor milking cows… sniff… okay, I bought ’em anyway.
But, but.. WAIT! Please! I was going to go with you and Mrs. Asoka. You know, to Equador. They CAN’T BUILD THOSE WALLS UNTIL AFTER WE ALL LEAVE. I mean, we’ll leave the U.S. and screw the rest of the American assholes. You help me with my adobe hut, and I’ll help you and the Mrs. A with yours. We’ll be like neigbors! Plus, I’ll be there to protect you and Mrs. A. (Those Equadorians can be real bitches toward new immigrants from America, white or black.) I’ll kick their ass! I’ve done it before and I’ll do it again! Just give me a sixteen months when my old lady gets out of prison. (or sooner if she gets parole)
And, they keep telling us that using computers is “intuitive.” May I say, bullshit?
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YES YOU MAY !!
I agree heartily with every word of your post … especially the “intuitive” BS.
I am infamous in the family for being technically challenged and my excuse always comes down to me saying “the fucking thing simply is NOT intuitive!”
Take my cell phone for example … the one I would never bother to own if my wife and kids hadn’t forced me to accept it.
I almost never use the thing although it rings occasionally and I pick it up only to find it is my wife calling me from the kitchen to “get off that stupid blog and come down for dinner.”
In the rare few instances that I’ve had a need to make a call myself (normally I would have someone do it for me) I can’t figure out how to do it. With great exasperation my wife raises her hands with palms upward, speaks out loud in the general direction of the ceiling to non-existent beings as though they were present in the room with us and says with all the irony she can muster in her voice “the man has a masters degree in numbers but he can’t make a phone call !!”
Here’s the deal. If the phone rings you flip it open and on the left side of the face there is a little green colored image of a phone. On the right side there is a little red phone image. So I correctly guess that pressing the green phone is the equivalent of picking up a phone from its cradle. I hold it to my ear and say hello and the caller responds. Fine, I’m doing OK so far although I DO have to move the phone around my ear until I hit the sweet spot where I can consistently hear with adequate volume.
Now comes the problem. I don’t want to RECEIVE a call but rather MAKE a call. My daughter-in-law has previously loaded all my important contact numbers under keypad numbers 2 thru 9. My wife’s cell number is under #2. But forget about all these pre-stored numbers … I have no idea how to get to them. Let’s just concentrate on me “dialing” a number. Two days ago I learned from my wife that to do this I flip open the phone and just key in the number and if the number happens to be in a different area code it doesn’t matter … I don’t have to enter 1 first like I would on a “land line” … although, if I happen to forget this technical nugget and go ahead and enter the 1 it doesn’t make any difference, the call will still go thru. But here comes the unintuitive part. What do you do once the number has been entered and you can see it there on the face of the phone? Do you click (i.e. press) “enter” or “submit?” No! There are no such buttons. What you do to “send” the number into cyberspace is press the little green phone which had previously been established as meaning “pick up the phone from the cradle.” So I ask you, how intuitive is it to “dial” a number and THEN to “pick up the phone from the cradle.”
For 70 years I picked up the phone from the cradle and then I dialed but that is all out the window now and it’s the other way around. What a crazy world.
I just hope that the next time I take a walk in the park and I’m accosted by blacks and hispanics (tip of the hat to Vlad) and left on the ground, pistol whipped and blood-soaked with no wallet and no money, that I can remember the correct sequence … flip open the cell, dial 911 and THEN pick up the phone.
P.S. I have learned that when a call is finished all I need to do is close the phone to “hang up.” Therefore I have no idea the purpose of the little red phone on the right.
THOSE ALLERGIC TO SPIRITUALITY CAN SCROLL PAST
This came up a while back in our discussion of mysticism, and a new book has just been published this week that may be of interest to some:
Looks like you gonna have to wait for a sale on 151 foot ladders and sneak out!
“Revelation is an outflowing of God to Man. The religions are the tidal pools left behind by the wave. Most of these guys chose Islam (Sufism to be exact) since being the most recent Revelation, it is perhaps the most vital.”
Vital to who? Islam was raised up as a judgment upon the church for her lawlessness. It is apparent that the law of equal weights and measures {Lev.19} was meant to apply to Israelites and foreigners living in the land. To put it in more modern terms, there was to be equal justice for all.
“As for the assembly [kahal, “church”], there shall be one statute for you and for the alien who sojourns with you, a perpetual statute throughout your generations; as you are, so shall the alien be before YHWH. There is to be one law and one ordinance for you and for the alien who sojourns with you.”
The purpose of remembering the slavery in Egypt is so that we remember not to enslave others. It was to show them by personal experience what it means to be treated with injustice and inequality, so that they would not treat aliens in the same manner.
Instead of casting out the “traditions of men,” by which the Jewish leaders misinterpreted the law, they ignorantly thought that the divine law actually was discriminatory; hence, they discarded the law itself as being inferior to the love that Jesus proclaimed.
They adopted laws that seemed right to men. These laws were their own “traditions of men,” their own understanding of right and wrong. In putting away the law of God, they inevitably legalized sin and injustice in various ways.
They came to mistreat foreigners and ultimately to justify slavery by the same carnal mindset as was found in much of traditional Judaism.
They began to define sin as a violation of religious traditions. They did precisely what the Jewish leaders had done under the Old Covenant, and Islam did after the New Covenant, which caused Isaiah to say:
“This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far away from Me. But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.”
Traditions of men are not vital.
New book which may be of interest, related to our recent discussion of mysticism:
The Guru Question: The Perils and Rewards of Choosing a Spiritual Teacher
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Thanks Ozone.
I figured out exactly why some took issue with me, but it’s a little difficult to explain.
A good portion of bloggers are mere fact-collectors, not idea sponges. They can’t defend, explain or elaborate on the silly shit they write beyond the parameters of the facts they’ve memorized, unless you give them the opportunity to quickly Google an excerpt from some authority figure that’s already thought about the subject for them. They might respond with a list of random book titles, authors and links, to which the onus then falls back on you to automatically know what the fuck they’re trying to say. They’ll try to plate the reply to your earlier question with a bullshit sandwich and elegant sides of potato salad drivel, as if their thoughts were like poetry in motion.
Although this particular exchange didn’t involve me, take this example of one such retort:
[[Read the great Neo Traditionalists: Rene Guenon, Fritjof Schuon, Huston Smith, Martin Lings, Titus Burchardt, Seyyed Hossein Nasr, etc – and then choose a Tradition. Revelation is an outflowing of God to Man. The religions are the tidal pools left behind by the wave. Most of these guys chose Islam (Sufism to be exact) since being the most recent Revelation, it is perhaps the most vital. But in any case, choose you must – or be left to wither on the beach waiting for God to come as Death or Terror]]
Now not a bit of the above comment demonstrates symmetrical discourse, or a balanced mind, but yet the remark’s true intent to talk past the counterpart and the original topic succeeds masterfully. It’s a meager effort to sound well informed, attach ones’ identity to the thoughts of others, and avoid responsibility for not knowing what the fuck you’re saying in the first place. I did kind of like how the silly person added a little bit of feigned eloquence for effect, though.
There are innumerable examples of this in blog-sites, everywhere, including the ones you replied to involving me. The good posts usually don’t require much follow up query because it becomes clear that the person has good ideas and can communicate them in one or two follow-ups.
Many of the smart posts that I’ve read here require me to sit back in deference and just absorb the ideas. What’s sad is when people abandon the topic, explain how you’ve hurt their feelings, dismiss you, then try to start up the original discussion, later. Schizo!
My purpose for checking this room out was to compare and contrast it to a college blog-site, where the average age of folks who post falls in the late teen to mid 20s range. The only difference between those young monkeys and some of the old chimps who post here is that the older ones have collected more facts over the years, and they have some funny-ass opinions to show for it. They’ve probably led the most ineffectual lives, too. Fact-collecting still doesn’t make the old ones any more learned than the young ones. They still, in their wily elder years, are happy to run around the cages (blog-room) hurling fact-filled shit balls at other chimps or zoo patrons who aren’t paying attention to them.
Thanks for writing.
I’ll kick their ass! I’ve done it before and I’ll do it again!
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You have kicked Ecuadorians? How uncouth.
rocket77, are we part of a research study you are doing? Will I get a good grade? Remember I welcomed you and helped you find work in an international setting and gave you advice on paying off your student debts. That ought to count for something toward the final grade.
No doubt, sir.
“Many of the smart posts that I’ve read here require me to sit back in deference and just absorb the ideas.”
Consider that a shout out.
Not doin’ the “research” for a grade, just a running bet with a college-professor buddy.
That’s why I prefer my little Town Market.
One time I mentioned to the owner that if she sold a certain brand of milk, which is sold in glass bottles, which are brought back to the store to be refilled, that it would be very Green of her.
And she said “I’m all about the cows”.
The health and comfort of the cows trumped the reusing of the bottles.
So now I’m about the cows, also, and buy the milk in unreusable cartons.
“Like you said, there are some things you just don’t talk about. For example: Vlad – blacks and mexicans, Asoka – immigration, Asia – gays and chindrians (whatever that word means).”
-digby’s cookies to Lewis’s books-
To some extent, this should be true in the real world. But we’re finding ourselves in a strange new country where people only talk to people they agree with, about things upon which they already agree. Which isn’t working out all that well for our political decision making and voting.
And on CFN, the disagreements are the purpose of the place, in large part. So it should be OK to engage – even on subjects that are not discussed in “polite society,” and even with posters who have demonstrated closed minds on particular subjects.
I was involved in the “vaccination wars” and the “circumcision battles” last summer. I’ve got nothing new to add just now – but I may jump in if some of you want to brawl.
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And it’s “chindians”, I believe – asia’s combination of Chinese and Indians.
A reader!? Boy, now you ARE on the watch list. 🙂
Yes I believe them, especially in this economy.
I probably won’t tear loose of mine, for awhile. I want to read it at least twice. I noticed there’s plenty of copies on Amazon, both HB and PB. Just read the descriptions, carefully. Skip the ones that might be cheap, but are not specific to the book. The one’s that are really cheap and say something like “Thousands of satisfied customer’s…..”
You don’t know what you’ll get. Beat to hell, falling apart and underlined so heavily, you can’t read the text.
what….Vlad is human ?
hahahahaha.
just joking around. really.
🙂
I haven’t been online much lately. got kinda tired of THINKING so much. and the eyestrain.
read a couple novels. for fun.
Just checking in on a couple of my favorite folks on my favorite website.
Hope you are enjoying your summer.
Problem is, Progressor, people look at me as though I have two heads when I mention “peak oil”. Maybe that’s why I hang around here so much. At least the facts, as we know them or think we know them, are discussed. And no, we don’t have to agree here on anything. My sense is that most folks here sense something is terribly wrong in this country, as well as the world.
I don’t mind calling bullshit on anyone, and expect they’ll return the favor. I’ll admit, though, I get a bit tired of the back and forth of some posters who never seem to let their minds expand beyond whatever preconceived notions they have seemingly set in concrete.
I did have a bit of a chuckle recently, when one of the frequent posters here who is (was?) an Obama cheerleader proclaim he (she) was going to chuck it all and head for foreign lands…as though changing one’s ideology was as simple of turning on or off a light switch. In my head, I had to wonder, what was it that set him (her?) off. I mean, one minute the economy is going full speed ahead, prudent decisions are being made by our “savior in chief”, the next minute, mango trees are acallin down in South America (you wanna seem some racist folks, try spending a few years down there). Worked in the restaurant business in S.A. and they wouldn’t let anyone darker than sand on the beach work outside of the kitchen. And this one is heading for that part of the world? Most racist people on EARTH! Ya gotta be kiddin me! Maybe that’s why I keep coming back. Like cigarettes, it’s hard to quit.
Your professor will be so proud! 🙂 . Did you check out Michael Greer’s blog, as I suggested? Oh, and a suggestion. When you write up your report, considering your professor is probably and “old chimp,” well, consider the politics of the situation.
Ozone does enjoy a good turn of phrase.
Ozone also offered to be my second in a looming CFN duel over a mule – months ago – so I trust his judgment.
So I’ll tell you that I “took issue” with you, as you put it – mostly just to shake you up a little bit. Then you started in with your insults almost immediately, and we were off to the races.
And if you’ll go back and look at my last post to you, you’ll see some incontrovertible boilerplate about humans being in the animal kingdom, along with one important point for debate.
“Ultimately, large human populations are subject to the laws of genetics, especially over long, multigenerational time frames.”
I indicated to you that I was unable to find anything that Robert Sapolski had published to address this point.
I’m still waiting on you.
Procon. Bossier is my unimagintive handle, a lab I got in bossier city la. I’m in south east tx . We are suffering from severe drought. The frio is in the hill country west of San Antone. We dove hunt near Uvalde. Your handle proves your lights are on. You may feel different on different issues progressive on one conservative on another. At least that’s generally how I look at things.
Ok, got it. I forgot where you are. I am thinking South America.
I WILL get it together, to get a passport.
My neighbor is from Brazil. her mother lives there.
Thank You for the info. I feel it and I hope I do it.
Where to go ? or not to go ?
Even within Ca there are some areas that are better than others. I am in a beautiful area, meditteranean climate, full of gangs. Latino gangs. no likee white folks. not safe here as it once was.
I know you are talking about govt. control tho.
and police state. We have both to contend with.
It scares me.
Well where would I go ? Where will I go ?
How can I do this ?
Hey does anyone know about the Dominican Republic
Luperon ? A friend of mine from cuba is building a house in Luperon. I am welcome anytime. for ever. I am white girl tho. need lots of sunscreen. Not really the sailing type that he is. It is very rural, undeveloped. On the other side of the mountain from Haiti.
I know / think that Canada is better than US. From personal friends’ stories. But I am not a professional anything, and not financially stable enough to be allowed to be there for long.
Still I have the feeling and I don’t like it.
Need to focus and get this done.
thanks again for thinking of me and sharing your experience.
I haven’t been out of the country EVER, except Mexico for 3 days, and Canada for one. Beeutiful up there in Vancouver.
My brother gets around Europe, Italy, etc. I will have a talk with him. See what’s going on outside my small area. Tho I have to say it is a nice nice area, a vacation spot. but still as a whole US ‘feels’ like it’s going down. Now more than ever. And that’s not just me projecting my own negativity, it’s ‘out there.’
okay i’ll stop now.
RT,
Link below goes to a famous old piece about the bambulance. Can’t believe it didn’t make its way up north when it first came out. I hope you enjoy passing it around that firehouse of yours.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBa0blUoE8U
And I’m sure that this silly thing will offend someone. Seems to be my week to offend the politically correct – so I’m going with it.
I am !
Just talked with my brother who lives in a different part of Ca. In the foothills of the Sierras, and it is much better there. so far.
so even if I just move outa this area that might be the best thing, still need to get a passport.
I am going swimming now and going to listen to the birds singing, and the trees so pretty as the sun goes down.
Hey girlfrien’, long time no type!
It’s good to have you back on CFN.
Sorry things are sucky where you are. There’s a lot of places in the US that are in better shape than that. But you’re right, things do seem to be trending generally downhill – maybe folks will wake up before it’s too late. A man can dream, anyway.
Concerning emigrating – my wife and I looked into it pretty seriously for several years. We were planning to both teach English to native born Thais. We had a friend with family there – not sure we would have even considered it without some sort of local connection.
But, anyway, we never pulled the trigger on our plans. And now with aging parents and a grandbaby – I doubt we ever will.
Do I have regrets for not going – yeah, maybe.
I did learn a lot from a free subscription to International Living’s newsletter. They’ve been in business since 1979.
http://internationalliving.com/
Good luck, JackieBlue2U!
Let us know what you’re thinking about doing.
“Ultimately, large human populations are subject to the laws of genetics, especially over long, multigenerational time frames.”
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First, you have to give an example of what you mean by “laws of genetics” and in what ways “large human populations are subject” to said laws.
You can’t just blurt out the first shit that comes to mind.
Do you not see how your above quote is entirely absent of substance? When asked for examples of your statement, you wrote:
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“Rabbits, bald eagles, bacteria, humans
All biological populations will respond to their genetics over large time scales.”
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This is just a brain-fart, Progressorconserve, not an example. I don’t think you have the first idea of what the fuck you’re writing about.
You cannot possibly believe that responding,
“Rabbits, bald eagles, bacteria, humans”
clarifies, to any degree, your position that,
“Ultimately, large human populations are subject to the laws of genetics, especially over long, multigenerational time frames”
using any conceptual logic.
You just listed a bunch of nouns and restated your conclusion based on an unsupported premise. That’s circular logic, dude. And I seriously don’t think you have the faculty to engage in any meaningful discussion, but since you keep bugging me — have at it.
No, man. It’s not really a “research” project, just a running bet between me an old friend who happens to be one of my old profs. I’ve been out of school for a few years, but I read his blog, and read some of his students posts. I don’t normally comment in blogs. But I bet him that there really isn’t much difference between the quality of ideas in a “younger and lesser” educated blog community than an “older and better” educated blog community.
Make no mistake, I’ve found some really bright and interesting people here, but the dumb far outnumber the others.
The larger question we’re debating is whether there’s really any quality civic journalism being cultivated in blogs. He and I communicate regularly about media-related topics.
Thanks for writing.
Yep yer one of my faves ! Thanks for responding.
I will check out the website newsletter, thank you for that.
You know it comes down to family and a few really good friends. known them all my life. it would be difficult to leave even CA.
Probably if I had big $$ and I don’t, I would maybe consider it, or at least travel.
I talked with my brother and he has been to other countries, his gf is a doctor so they live large, and anyway he says if he could live anywhere he would live in Northern California, he loves to kayak and he loves outdoors and his family is here. He is My family. We are twins.
So I probably won’t move out forever. I mean I am not young anymore. My parents have passed years ago, but if they weren’t yes that is a valid and good reason to stay put. I never had kids. okay with me.
The guy I said is moving to D.R. Luperon, well he has no family or kids. Loves to sail. free spirit and was born in Cuba. Had to flee when Castro came on the scene. Literally got the last boat out, he was 8. had 20 mins, grab something we are gone. whole family made it to USA. Now he ‘sees’ what is happening here, and he is leaving. That is why I know this is for real.
He will be the only one I KNOW who will be living in another country. So it could happen that I end up there. down the road aways.
I like the way you put it, ‘a man can dream’ about it being better than it is, or seems to be headed.
May go down with the ship, IF it goes down. It’s hard to imagine Really going somewhere starting new when you are 1)not young and that pretty anymore ! dammit ! and 2) no money to move with.
oh yeah and 3) a sick husband to care for. that is another story. I’ll spare you the details.
It would be a reason to leave ! pain in the A that he is, even before he got sick physically. too much info here.
So I am a Dreamer also ! But I will let you know if I make any serious changes. Soon as I win the Lotto ! (don’t even play !) ha.
🙂 that is the only emoticon I know so far !
‘I’ve found some really bright and interesting people here, but the dumb far outnumber the others’
How would he know?
Me thinks R77 is looking for peeps wholl agree with him!
And since when do I have a ‘problem with gays’?
I can’t believe that God has abandoned so many of the Earth’s people and focused only a tiny tribe. Racist? Hell yes. Lacking in charity and projecting that onto God? Never. He has revealed Himself again and again in many ways as befitted a given People and their needs.
You are a spiritually deep person and like most such people, somewhat narrow. That’s the price of your depth. Who am I to say that you haven’t “chosen” the better path? I cannot go that way – it is not in my nature. It’s just not the way I see it. I have chosen Christianity or it has chosen me. But I cannot disavow all other religions. You may be a much better Christian than I for this reason. So be it. If called to task at the Judgement I will say to the Lord: It was your Greatness and Mercy that I sought to uphold against the limitations your Saints tried to put on you. I sought to worship you with my mind as well as my heart.
My Zionist Bible class is doing Joshua. Point them! The teacher said the Captain was Christ Himself. The Catholics say it is the Angel Michael. But the Teacher said, Angels never allow themselves to be worshiped but the Captain demanded it. Great stuff. The man can preach. His spiritual path is to put himself into the stories – and then put us there too. He has become more Jewish than the Jews themselves (to paraphrase the old Irish saying).
Congratulations you are a racist too. Btw, most White refugees from Third World terror lie about it. The ones from California talk about “good schools, fresh air, open space, fiscal sanity” etc. They will never admit they fled from the Hispanic Terror. Even South Africans typically wont admit they fled thousands of miles to America to get away from murderous Blacks. So if you want to fit in with the Liberal Liars you better stop telling it straight.
If you do go to Latin America – whole different story of course. They don’t always love Whites but they sure don’t love Blacks. In any case, White is their aesthetic ideal so you might have to deal with envy and of course, they think we all are rich.
“I can’t believe that God has abandoned so many of the Earth’s people and focused [on] only a tiny tribe.”
As you well know, no one is asking you to. “The promise is unto us, and our children and to those who are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
The things that were written were for our learning. We have been trying all the recipes. Leavens of Pharisees, Sadducess, Essenes, Herod, etc.; none have produced manna. The next iteration of the Kingdom is about to begin. The oven will be hot enough this time to burn out all the leaven.
Mornin’ Prog, That was a mutha fukin’ funny link. I will surely send it out to the male list. Not to be a sexist or anything but things have changed since the “women” started at the house. 90% of them are AOK and more than competent but you gotta watch what u say around a few. I can’t imagine what it would be like if they were front line military. I don’t care what the libbers say, there are just certain things that males are better at than females. In the city where I work there is a cop. She is about 5′ and can’t weigh more than 110. Rowdy drunks are her specialty. Yea, right. Can we say “send help”! Ok girls, come get me now.
We’ve gone down the same slippery path of financialization that Spain, Holland and Britain did before us, and it’s not a pretty picture.
We’re currently being set up for another dot-com crash. A bunch of goofy, half-cocked business ventures of little to no productive use will hoover up a pile of capital before they crash. The business reporters and financial advisers who pump up these trash stocks are ignorant of history, corrupt or both. Entrepreneurs who are either fools or con artists keep spinning tales about how the normal rules don’t apply to their sector because of the “new paradigm” or some such nonsense. Instead of doing its job, a large part of the business press eats this shit up and begs for seconds.
Thankfully, there are exceptions, such as the New York Times, which had a great piece recently on Groupon. Groupon looks like a typical dot-com bottomfeeding operation. Its business model is effectively to bombard stingy yuppies and hipsters with coupons for trendy businesses, to the extent that some of its advertisers have been overwhelmed by runs on their loss-leaders. Dare I say, not entirely reputable.
I’ve noticed that a lot of dot-coms are particularly cavalier about the collateral damage that they cause in other business sectors. This is the sector whose piracy, content aggregation and price arbitrage have been eviscerating print newspapers for over a decade, pushing already financially troubled publications that much closer to the brink. Many of the dot-com news operations doing so don’t contribute a damned thing of journalistic value to society, and many more destroy more than they contribute.
And what does the trendy tech crowd have to say about all this? Basically, “Who gives a shit about newspapers, anyway? Paying for print content is, like, so Twentieth Century!” In effect, a cohort of hipster jackasses has helped sleazy business interests obliterate an already weakened American tradition of civic engagement and responsibility.
These are the same dipshits who insist that citizen blog journalism will fill the gap. I don’t believe them. Television hasn’t filled the journalistic gaps that it created by putting a financial squeeze on newspapers. You and I aren’t the New York Times. The entire CFN community couldn’t produce a newspaper of that caliber. We compliment professional news coverage, but no blogger can truly substitute for it. It’s incredibly naive to think that fact-checking and editing can be crowd-sourced. Of course, those who want to crowd-source journalism are probably content with news coverage on par with Wikipedia or, God help us, Associated Content (no pun intended).
The most prominent models of dot-com success, Google and Facebook, are downright scary. They’re glorified data stripmining and archiving operations that could put the Stasi archives to shame. Not to put too fine a point on it, their business models are not compatible with a free, open and equitable society.
Maybe the problem is that a society as unprincipled, lazy, and degraded as ours can expect as much.
Asoka, you may be an iconoclast here, in the USA, progressive, effete, etc., but once you remove yourself to Latin America, anyplace in Latin America, you will cease to be what you think you are now and instead become what you hate, a Gringo, a hated Gringo. I read a book last year, I forget the title, about the several thousand Americans who, with much fanfare, left the USA in the 20s and 30s for a new life in the workers paradise, the Soviet Union. None of these people were ever heard from again. Research into NKVD records in 2004 & 2005 reveals most were executed immediately upon arrival in Russia, right on the pier as they disembarked the ship, (what a shock that must have been) or perished soon after, worked to death in the Kolyma Gulag.
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There might be something to climate change after all. The storm we had yesterday afternoon was something like I’ve never seen before. Arthur Koestler’s ‘Darkness at Noon’ comes to mind. And I got caught in it on my motorcycle.
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I’ve been freezing my ass off for the past 9 months, we finally got some hot weather, and already my wife is clamoring (bitching) to put in the air conditioners.
With apologies to WageL, Ibendet, JackieB, et.al. I have to say this. Alot of the stuff complained about on this site, nonstop shopping, big SUVs, strip malls, regular malls, McMansions, pampered kids, results from the wants and desires of women. For example, the massive SUVs all over the place here are always being driven by women. They’re the ones buying all this shit at the malls. They seem to be the ones who want the oversized houses in the suburbs, too. I don’t know too many dudes who care about any of that stuff. Don’t get me wrong, I love women. But that’s how it seems to me.
-Marlin
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Spoken like a true sailor! That is an old sailor from the navy before it went coed. I’ve noticed the same thing which is why if I plan on disappearing to go live in a couple of 30 year old Airstreams and a galvalume Quonset hut I’m going to be doing that alone. So yes, you can set up a living arrangement with virtually no property taxes but if in order to do that you must live like a dirty old hippie out of the Woodstock NY artist’s community [see Handmade Houses] then chances are there won’t be any women eager to join you, at least not initially. Once you’re settled in it might be a different story. Maybe there’s a woman around who’s also a dirty old hippie.
Racism on JHK’s Blog…
Now, get this, vlad, and most of all you other “rascists”:
“We’re 60% the same as bananas.
Humans have about 30,000 genes. (which sounds like a lot, until you discover that chickens have about 23,000 and an ear of corn has 59,000!)
Our genetic code is also similar to other life forms. For example, we’re 90% identical to most mammals. But between two humans, there’s only 0.01% difference. So this means that your brother (or dad) is 99.9% the same as Albert Einstein!
We’re also 70% the same (genetically) as slugs and 98.5% the same as chimps! :)”
Why are you all so obsessed with race, black and white, Indian or Asian or whatever ? How is it that you really think that something so insignificant as race or culture can mean anything at all in the greater scheme of things ?
People are simply puny machines, totally idiotic – repetitive – completely – one transistor circuit machines: there is no difference between a banana and a person so how on earth can anything else even count ?
Because you are all obsessed with justifying yourselves as superior, deserving more, as being “not equal” to some other slob, you need some kind of invented metaphysical justification to simply assign yourselves as better, deserving, more “intelligent”, more anything (when all of these categories are a total joke in the greater scheme of things). So then you can freely and with great thrust and with great satisfaction hog everything up, hate on others, beat them up, you are finally free to hate and kill and make war against all others you arbitrarily assign as “inferior”.
But most of all, you think that a simple information relationship, a sequence of symbols, a small difference that is amplified way beyond any logic or common sense is the key to all, a concept, an idea, a thought pattern that obsesses and concentrates all of the explanations, that is supposed to be the organizing principle of all (blacks suck) is supposed to give you comfort, is supposed to finally explain all.
What a puny mind you all have, there is nothing, no differences, people, all of them, any race suck deeply, are total turds, given enough power would crush and kill anyone or anything, people are bad machines, the christians got this right, (probably the only thing they ever got right) “we are all sinners”, there is no limit to how bad people are and can be given the circumstances (Instinct against Civilization finally breaking the chains of “logic”).
But most of all, this obsession on a word, a concept, a difference just shows how you all desperately need a simple cause and effect explanation of people and the world, a simple linearity, a simple concept, since you can’t wrap your heads around the fact that people are pure contradiction, end of story, it is always just A against B for anything at all, a pure fight, a pure contrast of Will Powers, this is all, there is no deeper explanation, no metaphysical justification, no symbol, no meaning, no me better than you, no white better than black.
Aside from the fact that said blacks or Asians or whatever will then subtly end up behaving as they are imagined that they should behave, so rascism is also a subtle command language, blacks are violent then they end up being violent since society just brainwashed them to be like this and they just let themselves be programmed accordingly, but that is another story.
Anyways, strange that this race thing is so deeply felt right in the USA, country of immigrants and all, the melting pot, incredible!
Just all go fly a kite rascists on this Blog, go blow, you get the message…
OK, man – thanks for clarifying. That wasn’t so hard, now, was it.
You may be one of the most sophisticated practitioners of the “I’m rubber-you’re glue – thrust and parry,” that it has ever been my privilege to attempt to engage. I bow in the face of your greatness, at least on this one issue.
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“A mind is a terrible thing to waste.”
-United Negro College Fund-
“It is a terrible thing to lose one’s mind.”
-George W Bush II-
“The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is difficult to verify their authenticity”
-Abraham Lincoln-
nice analysis spider but what is the solution. hatred and racism have a genetic component. it had to develop as some part of the survival instinct. i’m just speculating.
After 15 seconds of exhaustive research I discovered that it was apparently J. Danforth Quayle who said, “It is a terrible thing to lose one’s mind.”
Except he actually said, “…what a waste it is to lose one’s mind or not to have a mind is being very wasteful.”
Thus proving my point.
Somehow.
John Wayne didn’t win WW2 on a diet of quiche and salad.
If memory serves he also said that he’d heard that there are some third world countries without driving ranges.
BBHDMarc;
I’m curious, what was it like being deployed, underway, aboard ship with women as crew members? That came after I left. I see now women are being allowed in subs, both Ohio class and fast attack. I foresee some problems, how about you?
-Marlin
Once again, you’ve abandoned the topic in cowardly form. You asked me to rejoin that topic, then, you run when I point out you’re silly statements only to claim that I’m merely trying to insult you, well, OK.
Marlin says: “With apologies to WageL, Ibendet, JackieB, et.al. I have to say this. … results from the wants and desires of women.”
Ha, Marlin, that is so amusing. Women as brainwashed slaves of the consumerism… Not all of us are, though.
I suppose you will blame Callista Gingrich for Newt taking off for the Greek Islands for 2 weeks against the advice of his campaign managers who all left en masse from him.
He’s not in control of his decisions because wife#3 expects the woiks!!! And he knows how to make her happy–guess that’s more important than the presidency after all.
Don’t forget the huge bill for jewelry from Tiffany’s. Ah brings new life to Veblen and his term “conspicuous Consumption”.
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The weather is extreme. We went from March to July in under a week! The storm last night was so sudden and bad we got hail on our terrace. I had to get out there and move some plants to safety.
How Wasteful the Older Generation Was …
In the line at the store, the cashier told the older woman that she should bring her own grocery bag because plastic bags weren’t good for the environment. The woman apologized to him and explained,
We didn’t have the ‘green thing’ back in my day.
The clerk responded, “That’s our problem today. The former generation did not care enough to save our environment.”
He was right, that generation didn’t have the ‘green thing’ in its day.
Back then, they returned their milk bottles, soda bottles and beer bottles to the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and sterilized and refilled, so it could use the same bottles over and over. So they really were recycled.
But they didn’t have the ‘green thing’ back in that customer’s day.
In her day, they walked up stairs, because they didn’t have an escalator in every store and office building. They walked to the grocery store and didn’t climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time they had to go two blocks.
But she was right. They didn’t have the ‘green thing’ in her day.
Back then, they washed the baby’s diapers because they didn’t have the throw-away kind. They dried clothes on a line, not in an energy gobbling machine burning up 220 volts, wind and solar power really did dry the clothes. Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing.
But that old lady is right, they didn’t have the ‘green thing’ back in her day.
Back then, they had one TV, or radio, in the house – not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a hankerchief, not a screen the size of the state of Montana. In the kitchen, they blended and stirred by hand because they didn’t have electric machines to do everything for you.
When they packaged a fragile item to send in the mail, they used a wadded up old newspaper to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap.
Back then, they didn’t fire up an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. They used a push mower that ran on human power. They exercised by working so they didn’t need to go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity.
But she’s right, they didn’t have the ‘green thing’ back then.
They drank from a fountain when they were thirsty instead of using a cup or a plastic bottle every time they had a drink of water. They refilled their writing pens with ink instead of buying a new pen, and they replaced the razor blades in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull.
But they didn’t have the ‘green thing’ back then.
Back then, people took the streetcar or a bus and kids rode their bikes to school or rode the school bus instead of turning their moms into a 24-hour taxi service. They had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And they didn’t need a computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 2,000 miles out in space in order to find the nearest pizza joint.
But isn’t it sad the current generation laments how wasteful the old folks were just because they didn’t have the ‘green thing’ back then?
THEY HAVE NO CLUE !!
And, BH Marc; Well, women are a civilizing influence. Look at the old west. An area would be settled by “The Guyze” but it took a critical mass of women and then you got churches, schools, etc.
When I worked in libraries, it became pretty obvious to me that so much of the culture was “a chick thing.” The endless rounds of cards for any and all occasions. Ditto the lunchtime parties and potlucks.
When my mom died, oh, 20 years ago, it became apparent to my father, brother and me 🙂 that we didn’t have to do the holiday nonsense, anymore. Not having any female relatives close to “take us in hand.” I send my father a card, and call him on “the day.” And, that’s about it. Oh, and I need to pick up my father’s dog a little something or risk being disowned. Other than that, zip. My married friends are quit envious.
This last holiday season, I was driving somewhere just after dark. I noticed a fellow, up on a ladder, stringing Christmas lights. It crossed my mind that “I bet that wasn’t his idea.”
You have no point.
You are like a ventriloquist’s dummy. It might be odd to have an in-person conversation with you and notice a long line of random people standing by your side, for no apparent reason.
But then the reason becomes clear. With every different thought you express, one of those people reaches their hand up your butt to wriggle your lips and torque your head, as you, the dummy, have no original thoughts to express, so they must animate you.
To get a dummy like you to express their thoughts online, they need only move their hand to your brain cavity, so to flick some nerve endings and make your fingers type.
Your thoughts (their thoughts, really) come across like one of Microsoft’s Bing and decide commercials, exemplifying the average person’s Google search overload affliction, where one blathers aloud all the useless data they find online.
What are you talking about, Ripped?
That exchange sounded like any day in triage!
rocket why so harsh . lighten up. this all for fun anyway. at least partially.
The hallmark of every “conspiracy theory” is the absence of evidence – or alternatively, a mass of conflicting evidence that conceals the truth.
Hillary Clinton recently declared that “there was no evidence” that the leadership of Pakistan was aware of Osama bin Laden’s presence in that country. Conveniently ignoring the question of whether bin Laden was even alive when he was allegedly discovered, the “there is no evidence” statement reduces all allegations against the Pakistani government to be mere “conspiracy theories”.
If the evidence can be concealed {or even just most of the evidence}, then any allegations that a crime has been committed are reduced to mere “conspiracy theories”.
Conspiracy theories are all about the absence of evidence. Evidence converts conspiracy theories into crimes.
Pretty good posts there Ibendet, LewisBooks, RThunder, that’s what keeps me coming back.
-Marlin
I don’t really care to get into a gender bashing contest here.
Most Americans consume too much energy and buy too much stuff.
If it was only one gender doing it, we’d only be in half the trouble that we are.
The other day, I came into the hospital building with a male employee.
He took the elevator one story up, and I took the stairs.
We got to the next floor at the same time, and he made a crack about how much energy I had used.
I spend so much time on this blog that for a moment I was baffled. Clearly I hadn’t used any coal by walking up the stairs.
Then I got it. He thought that he was saving his personal energy by using fossil fuel energy!
So I commented that I preferred to use food energy than coal, because it tastes better.
It was then his turn to be baffled.
Ideas, good and bad, pass from person to person like a virus. Vlad’s ideas were once more common than they are now but they can make a resurgence. And it’s not like we don’t know where they lead: slavery, segregation, massacres, holocausts.
A lot of it is still within living memory. So I confront people like Vlad because yes, he represents a threat. And so I laid it out explicitly because I have a personal interest and just so he doesn’t think there will be a replay of people (like me or my wife) meekly boarding cattle cars to concentration camps like in the 1940s. Ain’t happenin. Srebernica ain’t happenin here either.
It’s not just the racism and the resulting Holocaust but the other aspects of fascism with it’s extremes of nationalism, militarism and authoritarianism. We’ve seen the practical result of Vlad’s way of thinking ie European civilization on its deathbed, its people with a civilizational deathwish, depressed, demoralized and horrified. I think some of it is subconscious and some of it fully conscious: if this is what Western civilization is about having created and incubated its various destructive “isms” and the resultant catastrophic wars and industrial scale extermination then who needs it?
There was no way to set things right with tens of millions persished, European Jewry dead and let’s not forget the Gypsies. Nuremburg style necktie parties were just symbolic redress.
Just a couple days ago our Auditor General released a report on calamitous conditions on Canada’s native reserves. For all our nauseating and unjustified moral preening (we’re supposedly a caring and sharing society) we set up here a system of de-facto apartheid. That’s where racial theories take you.
Wage I always knew you were broccoli powered!
This just in, The average american teen sends over 100 text messages a day. I thought I wasted a lot of time on this damn computer. Mind ya , that is the average kid. Some kids must send thousands. I get ragged on all the time because I don’t even have a cell phone. Like I want people to be callin’ me an, shit.
http://blogs.smartmoney.com/paydirt/2011/06/10/text-message-prices-could-drop-teens%E2%80%99-parents-rejoice/?mod=rss_&link=SM_home_blogsum
Typical modern White – worrying about every other group but his own. Meanwhile every White Nation is being innundated by other races. The Universal Ethic destroys Nations. Our Nations since the other races don’t subscribe to it. Make no mistake – this is a unilateral disarmament.
I’m a threat to you? I would allow you, and people like you to have your own places or even Countries. But you people will give us nothing except the inside of a prison cell. And we’re the dangerous ones? The Ruthless Ones? Look in the mirror.
Well said – you just don’t follow thru with the right conclusion. We share at least 98.5% of the same genes as Bonobos. That shows what a big difference a few genes can make at the level of expression. And bonobos and chimps are virtually identical, yet one is patriarchical and the other matriarchical. This shows the significant differences in behavior even fewer genes can make in behavior.
From a genetic point of view, bonobos and chimps are almost certainly capable of breeding true so they are, by most theories, the same species. So would the offspring tend towards patriarchy or matriarchy? It would probably depend on the culture they grew up in. What if a group of mixed babies were raised together by people – which way would they go? Would they look for clues from their human parents?
Negroes may be more different than Whites than Chimps are from Bonobos.
Women in the armed forces are famous for getting pregnant before going on active duty from what I’ve heard. They just signed up for the benefits and never had any intention of putting themselves on the line. And as far as the Navy, many ships have become floating brothels.
And it’s not like we don’t know where they lead: slavery, segregation, massacres, holocausts.
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Christian, White, Western “civilization” also led to the arrest and internment of over 100,000 LEGAL USA CITIZENS who were shipped to USA concentration camps.
Christian, White, Western “civilization” also led to the dropping of atomic bombs on the concentration camp prisoners’ relatives, in their homeland.
It was the dark-skinned Jesus who said, “As you do unto the least of these, so too you do unto me.”
The maintainance and the important niceties are largely a feminine affair. The creation of culture is largely a masculine one. More women are involved in the maintainance than men are in the creation – so it’s easy to get confused and think that it’s all women. Any culture that takes this view and then begins to castigate men as drones is doomed to utter stagnation.
Also men work more and help fund women so they can do their work of maintainance. The genders are thus complimentary. And attempt to make them “equal” is thus utterly ruinous. Men cannot do what women do en masse and women cannot do what men do en masse. At the individual level, there should be freedom of choice of course. But the models given to kids should accord with the general Model. The Feminist Ideal of careerism and independence is a game plan for individual and social misery.
Holy sheet, Ripped…that was a thing of beauty you wrote. That was well effing said!
You just made my list, along with Progorcons, wage, lbendet, Bubbleheadmarc, and several others, of people who’s posts I believe have deep insight, even if they don’t agree with me sometimes or even all the time.
Marlin, my friend, you’d be there too if you’d just get your head out of Fox News’ Corprophagic Sphincter on a lot of issues. (and yes, we probably agree about Obama so don’t bother telling me what a lying, manipulative shit he is – I know already) And how ’bout dose Mets & Phils?
I had a vacancy that ole’ Cash left open on my short list when he got noticeably more irrational and dogmatically repetitious in the wake of the big Canadian RW victory.
Why do RWers tend to get even angrier after they get a big win, much more so than Centrists and LWers, who tend more to celebrate and more happily relax after a win?
(noted that numerous exceptions exist to every generalization – it’s more of a rhetorical question, anyway)
But if I had to guess: I would say the nature of the authoritarian personality, which could be observed in LW authoritarians if we were discussing this in some crappy basement with a moldy mimeo machine, Odessa, USSR, circa 1978…but not 21st Century America and it’s RW Corporate Socialist Inverted Totalitarian government, where the authoritarians have mostly gathered under the banner of the RW.
Just like in 1930s Germany, I am compelled to add. Did you ever read “Defying Hitler” by Sebastian Haffner, as I long ago suggested?
If you did, I would be very interested to what you think about what you read and if you think it has any relevance to here and now in 21st Century America.
Anyway, terrific post. Many posts are enjoyable to read here on CFN, but that stood above and beyond, so thanks for the excellent read.
Hancock1863
CFNation Post 6 & 7/8ths
Jerome “Curly” Howard Memorial Post
Hancock, I can’t take credit where none is due. Someone e-mailed that post and I thought it would fit in well with the CFN. I guess you can open up a spot for Marlin or Cash now.
Hancock1863 said:
Asoka says, beware of men goin’ round takin’ names
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ5kT1fzOvg
Thank you, Leadbelly.
Hancock … Hamels, CLee and RHalliday … an unbeatable trio, best starting pitchers since 1970 Orioles (4 20 game winners, Palmer, Cuellar, McNally and Dobson). For us, Reyes is leading league in hitting, a small consolation, I know … You will have the Cardinals and Giants to deal with in the post season, both worthy opponents ..
OzonePete, how about adding some Merle Haggard to your songbook repartee, maybe “Okie from Muscogee”, or “The Fighting side of Me”? The fans would love it, specially ’round midnight, all beered up and crazy. Just a suggestion. “Okie from Muscogee” would end up a real sing a long, with maybe fistfight breaking out whan it was over.
-Marlin
Let me qualify that, Mr. Hancock. The Braves had some pretty good pitching 1995-2005, too.
-Marlin
Cash just gives the Liberal Party Line on Western Civilization and you immediately chime in to say that it’s not enough. We don’t even a have a Civilization. We are the cancer of humanity who should either go back to Europe (as the Hispanics say) or stay here and serve Blacks (as you would say).
Thank you Soak. I can always count on you to back me up. You have shown why Cash’s Neo Liberal Vision is an impossibility. One is staggered at the long vista of your life. How many Whites met the nice Black man at Food Coops and Community Meetings only to be amazed at his hate once they got to know him. But it’s not a singular story – there are many such as you. Ex White friends should begin to meet and support each other.
NEW TOURISM IN A NEW SOCIETY ARISES FROM “PEAK OIL”
by James Leigh
TOURISMOS: An International Multidisciplinary Refereed Journal of Tourism
(Volume 6, Number 1, Spring 2011)
Mass international tourism has thrived on the abundant and cheap supply of energy, and this may be about to change as the world moves towards “Peak Oil”. The resultant scarcity and high price of all energy fuels will produce changes in human activities across the board, and specifically in tourism. In this looming transitional era, which has probably already arrived, tourism needs to make some dramatic changes to harmonize with the new realities of a post-energy world and its new society.
I hope I am not posting too much on peak oil.
It’s just that some people on CFN think this is a blog about peak oil, so I wanted to demonstrate that peak oil is not as esoteric as they might think.
Peak oil has gone mainstream when it starts appearing in peer-reviewed journals of tourism. If the military and the tourist industry are sitting up and taking notice, you can bet the rest of society is as well.
The Cassandra Complex changes everything, turns it upside-down, doesn’t it?
Hopefully JHK and all of us CFNers are completely incorrect doomers. Because if it isn’t…
…the simple fact is…
…that 99% of the human species as a whole, and 99.99999999% of the Highest Levels of the Aristocratic Elite are operating from completely bass-ackwards foundational bedrock assumpions that are not jut wrong, but diametrically opposed to the actual reality we are living in and moving into.
In terms of overall human suffering, particularly all those who suffer needlessly which didn’t have to happen, like our Iraq war dead and displaced or the many human-induced famines that have swept many nations in many times to name two examples of so many to choose from, it would be better for the human species’ future if we CFNers all were a bunch of doomer hysterical crackpots.
I just don’t see much evidence of it. Our only escape as a species is the one we have already used on several occasions to avert the disaster…cheap, abundent oil/coal energy and all it entails. That being the Technological Rabbit From the Hat, to cover a mighty big array of concepts.
Can we go to the Techno-Hat one more time, as it were?
It would seem to me that’s the only thing seperating humanity from a keyhole or extinction event within the next 10,000 years and perhaps much sooner is the answer to that question and that question alone, the human species being what it is, as we have discussed so many times here before.
Hah ha. He saved his own personal energy, a mere handful of joules, relatively, to burn a thousand, a million times that amount in ancient irreplaceable sunlight/photosynthetic energy, which one-hundred years from now might have warmed his distant descendants or powered their emergency vehicles.
Why should he care? He doesn’t know any of those people. Better to keep better rested for later that evening’s TV watching, eh?
Add to all that…apparently we are going to, as I predicted long ago, drill the Arctic as it melts, which will lead to more drilling and more melts (and more Joplins and NOLAs and…)
I’ll say it again and again. In a Titanic situation as our nation and species faces, every day, every minute, every second is precious, on both an individual and macro-level.
Let everyone else have their Bread and Circuses. Hell, partake of some yourself, so long as your conscience allows it. Nothing you or I say is going to deflect the sinking now. Or keep fighting the good fight, if only to show our descendants that we weren’t ALL shortsighted, celebrity and technology-addled dumbed-down torturing, murdering (so long as we ourselves don’t have to get our hands dirty) assholes.
As someone on some TV show once said, “The avalanche has begun. It’s too late for the pebbles to vote.”
Oh yeah…you probably know the Bilderbergs are meeting in Switzerland this week. Just a harmless group of the Uber-Powerful just, you know, getting away for a little fun in the sun. Harmless as milk, you socialist conspiracy nut!
At least now they can’t pretend they don’t exist anymore. Got their own website and everything.
Thank you Soak.
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You are welcome, Vlad. But you should stop trying to disguise your racism by saying you are a “white separatist.” We know what you are. I, at least, had the honesty to admit I am a racist, and give my reasons. You are simply being deceitful.
R77 is here to prove a point [that He is smarted than us]…SURE WISH HE AND HIS PROFFIE WOULD WAGER THEIR BET ELSEWHERE!!!
Or in R77 speak….
He is smarter then us
You’re on the list anyway. Truth is, you were pretty much on it before, but as I have been spending less and less time on this blog, I just plum forgot about you.
You’re the retired EMT gentleman who told me the story of the injustice of your unused vacation days, right?
I much more often read these long discussion threads by text searching posters with insight and scrolling from there. I miss some stuff, but I miss a lot more pointless gibber.
As I have said above, every second is precious in life, but doubly so in a Titanic situation, so the cost-benefit ratio is clear.
My point being, we had already had some nice discussions and you were already pretty much on the list, but in the hullaballoo of life I just forgot.
Regardless of the fact that you didn’t personally write it, you certainly had the perspicacity to pick it out from the sea of emails and repost it here.
That’s enough for me. Nicely done, sir, whether you wrote it or not.
And a big old salute to you and Wage and everyone else who works in the field to patch us all up when we are hurt. Nobody appreciates you enough until we or our loved ones need you – futher example of the human species’ shortsightedness – as if we need one more.
Also the shopping bags that some of the supermarkets have given away are chemical nightmares. And many of the cloth bags the Natural Food Stores sell are very weak.
‘Even though you’ve only been here a couple of days, however, we’ve already got you pegged as an asshole’
ALMOST ROTFLMAO
Have you Master Q found a new Jennie Rico?
Among my acquaintances, I’d venture to say I’m the only one without a “Honey, Do” list. I often detect as certain amount of envy. I am that truly rare bird, The Undomesticated Male. 🙂
(I am often asked, after a lot of foot shuffling and staring off into the distance … “Well, what do you do about … you know?” My response? “A good porn collection and a strong right arm.” Then they’re REALLY envious.)
What about animal rights?
Sport hunting!yuk..a sick lot infesting this blog.
How many peeps are eaten by gators each year?
I understand Humans are too chewy so the gators
‘leave em submerged under tree stumps till the flesh is soft and easier to chew’.
IL will try to sell you over priced estates in Vilacambamba.
Otherwise it may be worth the 100$ a year.
…keyhole or extinction event… Oh, much, much sooner.
You are satisficed with unleavened bread – your great strength/weakness. I’ll take Lembas or even Manna if I’m on the road.
asia, ssshhhhhhhhh! Please don’t mention it.
If you want phoney ‘green’ look to Santa Monica..
Ban new paper bags, make peeps pay for a recycled
paper bag.
However ‘they’ [Sowells ‘anointed’] print 60,000
newspapers to tell us [the little people]
to ‘save paper’.
In the interest of less traffic City Offices are closed on Fridays!
[100k a year for short workweek.
We will have to buy [@20 cents each] grocery bags.
This was not put on the ballot as a ‘Tax’ as it would never have passed.[we little peeps still get to vote].
No. You see, we don’t really need other people if we can just get ourselves straight and stop trying to get something for nothing. Blacks need Whites in order to enjoy a Western Standard of living – or any kind of civilization basically. That’s why minorities will always follow us if we are foolish enough to let them. Geraldo Rivera told Pat Buchanon, “I’ll follow you everywhere”.
I will follow you to the ends of Earth even as Ahab followed the White Whale. I will turn the locals against you – I speak Quechua, you merely the White Man’s Spanish.
Asoka from what Ive read in the lamestream media China has like 80 million homeless day laborers.
And that’s from the mainstream press.
$ says, “I have respect for “traditional” people and their folk ways? I take it you mean Aboriginals? I look at it like this. The elk aren’t coming back. Neither are the plains buffalo. A lot of Natives are in a real fix. They can try to hang onto traditional ways. But if I were them I would move on.”
The side of me that is the kick-em-in-the-ass conservative, that does arise from time to time, has entertained that notion.
The more contemplative, less socially-poisoned side recognizes the absolute benefit of having another society with different value scales extant on the continent with a gov-to-gov relationship with our corporate masters.
What humanity faces is utter destruction of all living things under the current values regime.
What is required is a space for values to change. Ted Turner’s 2 million personal acres in Georgia, for instance, could be stocked with bison. A gesture toward some ecological sanity. The NAs don’t own much, but then again, what is the real cost of returning the large land mammals to NA? Not much. Not much at all. The problem is the private ownership of land, or the federal ownership- which is to say, the corporate ownership.
http://www.landreport.com/americas-100-largest-landowners/ illustrates the problematic patchwork of ownership values. Some are laudable preservationists, some are retrograde agricultural land-rapists, and some simply like to own the scenery.
White people are too colonized by the corporate insectoid mentality. The system is rigged to decimate, divide, and destroy everything worthwhile and whites are their handmaidens. We are not working toward ecological paradise but ecological disaster. And the small-minded mentality, beside the magnanimous value system of the NAs illustrates the depravity. Always has.
What we need is the physical space in which to express alternative values and the NA reservations are a good place to do so. The NAs themselves, not necessarily inclined toward the hubristic micromanagement of the ecosystem- to their credit- aren’t necessarily going to kick-start this project. The dilution of the NA value system by white/corporate ideology of competition/destruction doesn’t help either.
The most efficient means of reversion to sustainability, ecology, wildness, and sanity would be a takeover of the Federal government (BLM, Dept. of the Interior, etc.) with 750 million acres under its management.
Instead of a future of strip-mining, fracking, cattle-grazing, and 4×4 trails, emptying our pockets and wealth to the coming hordes of Chinese, Indian, and multinational mining interests, for the typical negative economic impact formerly illustrated by the experience of the 3rd world extractive economies, we could close off and revert these areas to their full ecological potential.
Its hard to imagine city-boy Obama doing as much, even if Hawaii and its decimated forests are his playground, or Palin, who murders wild animals in their homes for fun, understanding the true responsibility of power in the twilight of corporate/industrial Earth.
No doubt about the Cards and Giants. Worthy indeed and Lincecum may well be the hand to which Halladay’s torch is passed as Tops in Baseball in a couple more years or even this October, if Lincecum and the Giants outduel us in the end.
Reyes is quite the surprise, and yes, he should vie for the NL batting title.
Ah the Bravos of the 1990s. They had much more time in the pitching sun that the Phils will likely have and only one Series victory for all of it. (numerous memorable chokes, including to the ’93 Phils and their Band of Misfits)
In the absence of some amazing trade or prospect, the Phils’ window of greatness won’t go past a season or two more. So, we’re tied with the Braves in Series victories with not much more than half of their time-window. Pretty happy with that already.
Check this site out, if you’ve never seen it before. I think you’ll like it. It basically is every baseball record and stat that ever was, plus you can actually get old individual boxscores from games going all the way back to Ruth and Gehrig and even Cobb, the site is that good.
Here’s a couple links to get started, but just motor around there and I think you’ll be amazed at the depth of the stats and how every aspect of pretty much everything is covered.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYM/1969.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/
To the rest of CFN: Yes, MLB baseball is a tremendous waste of energy and resources and cash. I just don’t care and lighten up, Francis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrllCZw8jiM
June 8 /9.43…
‘I made you feel stupid ‘
Did Rocket[man?boy, girl] make you feel smart?
Indeed Jello Biafra had his leg[s] broken by Skinheads who [I believe] hunted him down.
IOW it was not a ‘random act of violence.
Character does not matter anymore, skin color does, or your victim credo such as Weiner, a certified member of a victim group.
Have you Master Q found a new Jennie Rico?
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Yeah, Rocket might just make a fitting replacement.
😉
Stephen Gould is taking it in his dead corpse’s behind today. Soon it will be Diamond’s turn and all these kids and anti-white whites will have nothing to hang their hats on.
Also the “green” shopping bags the supermarkets gave away are chemical atroicities. And the cloth bags the coops and natural food food store sell are typically very weak.
[100k a year for short workweek.]
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asia, they are government workers.
government is bad, right?
A shorter work week means they’ll do less harm.
asia, are you an anarchist?
Stephen Colbert interviews Ridge on FRACKING
http://stopfrackingnow.com/thanks
What did he do to offend them?
Marlin said:
Excellent example of the creeping nausea American exceptionalism!
Except that we have at least two members of CFN who have left the USA and are living very well in Costa Rica (DJ) and Brazil (Welles).
You’re gonna have to come up with something better than “hated gringo” to deter me … though I do appreciate your concern.
Remember I already lived in the global south 12 years and visited eight countries there, so I have an idea what they think of gringos. I also know when I am there I give more, share more, dance more, sing more, eat well, and enjoy life more. Money means nothing.
Vlad, in your mind, what kind of “offense” would justify hunting someone down and breaking their legs? Would a verbal taunt be enough? How about if he touched one of the skinheads? Would that be enough in your mind? What if he wrote an editorial critical of skinheads? Would that be enough to justify breaking somebody’s legs?
See, Vlad, this is why people fear fascism and manifestations of fascism like brownshirts and skinheads. They take the law into their own hands. They feel above the law.
While I was in there was only one vessel which was co-ed and that was a total disaster in the early stages. I was in submarines and subs were entirely male then, as indeed they still are but not for long.
I have worked with female mariners in the merchant marine however. The typical pattern with female mariners is near total avoidance of heavy manual labor, concentrating on the steward’s department if unlicensed, or deck or engine dept. only if they’re academy graduates shipping as officers in those departments. Typically they don’t mix well with the men and are considered annoying and far too “by the book.”
One extremely attractive female deck officer we had was sleeping with the 2nd mate, but then on watch liked to talk about what scumbags the ABs and QMEDs were for being whore chasers on the beach. Not being in the mood for a pointless argument I played the well behaved college boy by responding “yes, I used to visit whores but quit because I think prostitution is degrading.”
In reality I only quit patronizing American hookers because American hookers are the worst sex workers in the entire world and not worth what they charge. Third world hookers are an entirely different story, however, and are more like econorentagirlfriends, so virtually everyone does still patronize them. After all, that which is not worth bothering with generally doesn’t get bothered with. It is an article of faith amongst mariners that you can’t get HIV from hookers because the fluids are traveling in the other direction. I would say it’s because they all demand that the customers wear condoms. In any event I’m not insane and don’t carry on like that anymore.
I have heard that the new coed navy most definitely is a non-stop orgy though. I’m not sure that that’s a good thing. But I won’t find out because I’m no longer interested in working for the navy as a civil service mariner on an auxiliary vessel as I once did briefly. And that was strange because in that chicken-shit environment you did find female deck hands, perhaps because it was far less demanding than commercial sailing where each vessel has only a skeleton crew. The commercial vessels had crews of only 21 while the navy auxiliary employed some 130 merchant mariners plus a small navy supply department.
The women on the navy vessel were unbearable in my opinion. One of them was an old stripper who’d got religion and would annoy the men by continually reprimanding them for using profanity! While I think of it that would make a good sreenplay for a Twilight Zone episode: “The Girl Mariner Who Retired from the Burlesque Circuit and Didn’t Cuss No More” . Too bad Rod Serling is gone when you need him.
Yeah, the hell with those grandkids! They don’t need no stinking oil!
I was walking with another guy, flipping off unused lights as we went.
He asked me why, and I said that I was saving energy.
He said “What do you care? You don’t pay the bill”
What a jerk!
government is bad, right?
A shorter work week means they’ll do less harm.
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There’s actually some truth to this logic. On Wall St. the markets sometimes take off to the upside when it is seen that the govt is at an impasse on some bill or other.
But Fridays off to limit traffic won’t prevent pols from doing harm. They will simply cram their nefarious deeds into 4 days.
Limit the traffic AND keep Friday as a work day by sending the pols out on foot, each with a burlap bag and one of those litter poker sticks. Maybe this way fewer people would want to get into the politician racket in the first place.
Remember I already lived in the global south 12 years
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I thought part of those 12 years were lived in Canada.
Sorry I screwed up my first post and now have to type it in again.
When I was in the navy there were virtually no women aboard ship, and none in subs where I was aboard one SSBN and one SSN. I don’t see any real problem as coed crews couldn’t possibly be more fucked up than all male crews. After all, there were gay sailors and that could be disruptive.
I’ve worked with women in the merchant marine and I almost always find them annoying. Women tend to avoid the commercial vessels with skeleton crew as unlimited overtime is the order of the day and when there are only six ABs on deck and three QMEDs in the engine room the work load can be back-breaking. You do find women working on the navy auxiliaries designated “USNS” as opposed to “USS” and that is because the environment is far more structured and bureaucratic which seems to appeal to them. In my opinion that doesn’t say much for them either.
The Military Sealift Command is ALWAYS hiring ABs for the simple reason that any AB worth his salt won’t put up with their shit, so most quit to go back to the hiring hall to find a commercial vessel. Civil service mariners are expected to work 11 months just to get one month’s vacation which of course is grotesque. But they’ll put a crew of 130 on one of those fast combat support ships so much of what you’re doing frankly doesn’t need to be done in the first place. Perfect environment for phony female deck-hands with no upper body strength who can’t pull their weight!
In eight years in the merchant marine I never encountered a single female deck hand working aboard a commercial freighter. That’s not by accident. The one female cook we had was a drunk who couldn’t cook. The female deck officers were like Cub Scout den mothers who talk a good game but were worthless off of the bridge on deck where the actual maintenance work is done. Let’s put it this way: how many female lumberjacks do you suppose there are? How about approximately NONE. Yes, I am a misogynist. As a barber if someone tells me he’s going into education I always laugh then ask them “have you considered that most of your co-workers are going to be women?”
Funny, but then, have you considered that the married guys all wanker off as well? I would think that as a book dealer you must have an excellent collection of these mock serious sex manuals with the fornicating couples tastefully photographed doing the kama sutra.
As a barber for 16 years I’ve heard it all. One guy divorced his wife merely because he’d grown weary of her greeting him at the door each and every time he came home to order him to remove his shoes before entering the house he’d bought her.
As a great man named Keith Richards once said, “why get married when you could just find a woman you dislike and buy her a house?”
Any woman who thinks that all men are children who need to be supervised by women would be divorced in a nanosecond if I was the guy she was sponging off of whilst playing homemaker. If I’m the lady’s houseguest brought aboard to perform stud-service for free room & board then I’ll be compliant until I get tired of her nonsense THEN disappear forever.
Funny how the actual homemakers, that is the guys who build houses, can’t find work and are now enrolled in nursing school so they can get bossed around by women not just at home but also when at work. All I can say to them is “good luck” from this burnt out inner city school teacher.
The Navy is recognizing that a sexual assault rate of more than one sailor a day — with over one in five sailors experiencing sexual assault in her career — is a startling number.
Consider that the Navy is about 15% women, and the military is only less than 1% of the U.S. population total.
These numbers urged the Navy to launch new “bystander intervention” seminars, which they use to encourage sailors to know that even if you are a Seaman Recruit and you see an Admiral pulling some shady business, you should not be afraid to be a good shipmate and step in.
But I’m concerned by a quote from Jill Loftus, director of the Navy’s Sexual Assault Prevention and Response office.
When discussing how the program would work, program she says “If you see a young lady from your ship, and she’s at a bar doing Jell-O shooters, and you understand that it looks like her judgment is impaired, you have an obligation to her to step in and in a polite way and a nice way and a nonthreatening way say, ‘Hey, we’ve got early duty tomorrow.’” Sounds like Loftus is placing the responsibility squarely on the woman to avoid getting sexually assaulted or raped.
Loftus goes on to say that this would also protect a potential perpetrator from exercising poor judgment.
I keep seeing this meme of telling women not to get raped instead of telling men not to rape.
We tell women not to wear that short skirt and not to go out alone at night. We tell them not to go to parties and not to drink. We even tell them not to wear skinny jeans and not to flirt with anyone. No matter what the circumstance, women are responsible for making sure they don’t get raped, and their actions are always called into question. We forget that none of these things matter. We always forget that the difference between a woman who is raped an one who is not is the presence of a rapist.
I get the feeling that Loftus is focusing on teaching women, once again, to prevent their own rapes. She is stressing teaching shipmates to police women’s off-duty (liberty) actions, all to protect men from the bother of becoming rapists. Not a new concept, and not helpful.
I laud this intervention program, but I hope that the focus will be on making sure sailors recognize when a male shipmate is beginning to engage in inappropriate behavior against a potential victim, rather than policing a female shipmate is trying to enjoy her liberty time, which I would hope everyone here would agree she is entitled to.
Forgot to credit the source:
Navy Program to Prevent Rape Focuses on Sailors Doing Jell-O Shots by Brandann Hill-Mann
Asoka just one question . I think I asked before. Is japanese-American internment the first thing you think of when you think about ww2? Just curious
Calm down my Black Tiger – putting it that way was a joke. But since we’re on the topic – do you really think skin heads are our biggest social problem as opposed to the Black and Brown gang violence that assault, rape, and kill hundreds of thousands every year?
This is an interesting point. Cramped quarters aboard ships breed personality problems of all sorts and sailors are known for their antisocial tendencies. I would predict that sailors tend to be protective towards women from their own work gang or rating as it is known in the navy. They would accordingly tend to be less protective towards women from unrelated divisions with a strong sense of responsibility towards all the women on one’s own ship primarily on smaller ships where the crews are better acquainted. On a vessel such as a nuke aircraft carrier all bets would be off. After all, there were race riots aboard the carriers towards the end of the war in Vietnam.
The notion that a seaman is going to reprimand a flag officer is totally unrealistic. In the navy enlisted men are not permitted to arrest officers under nearly all conditions. If an admiral is making an ass of himself then basically you need to find another admiral to tell him to clean his act up, unless the behavior was totally egregious and witnessed by a large group of reliable people.
As Islam teaches, Allah created Man strongly sexed. In the interest of social harmony, woman must dress modestly to help men remain chaste. Yes men must make an effort – and women must help them.
Woman herself is “nine parts desire” and even more lusty than Man. But unlike him, is shy and utterly unwilling to be rejected by showing her desire first – else no flesh would be saved. Thus the cult of the modest woman is an attempt to control her in terms of self image and behavior as well as the men.
From this point of view, held by Christianity to a lesser extent, putting women on submarines with men is utterly insane.
My God sir, you’re a Man. Ecce Homo. The suffering you must have endured – and as a Liberal with none to commiserate!
The Patriarchy must be rebuilt – it is what women secretly desire as well. As you know, they will not look at a man who makes less than themselves. So much for the contents of one’s character. Free the woman so men could be free too? It was all a damned lie.
Re: Kama Sutra sex manuals. Don’t have ’em. Bland, boring and soft-core.
And now they want to be Seals since Seals are “in”. It unravels, it unravels…It is well. All Countries end but a Nation can spring right back up again as China has done so many times. So often that they just call them “Dynasties” now. Orlov is right: we wont spring back since we aren’t a homogenous people anymore – just a whole lot of nuthin.
Actually the statistics you cite would indicate that less than 1% of navy women are sexually assualted per year. The average enlistment is four years and most do not enlist. So in the course of one four year enlistment the chances of a navy woman being sexually assaulted would be less than 4%.
This totally ignores the fact that male sailors get sexually imposed upon, propositioned, or worse by other men, just like in prison.
I do agree that the entire responsibility of rape prevention rests with the perpetrators and not with the victims. It is for this reason that I am refraining from giving advice on how to avoid being victimized. All I can say is that the men as well when visiting foreign ports should stay with a group of shipmates and not go off alone, especially after dark. Of course I didn’t follow this advice myself but I was also a drunk, and of course drunks have shitty judgement.
CORRECTION TO ABOVE COMMENT: most do not REENLIST. In other words the typical navy “career” lasts only between three and six years, the various lengths of enlistments which are typically available with 3 years active duty for reservists in non-technical rates, 4 years for regular navy in most rates, five or six years for technical rates requiring extensive trades schooling prior to first sea service.
Jaded. Utterly. Imagine what your fantasies would be if you lived another 60 years. God reduced our lifespan for reasons like this.
I’m not really a liberal. Most orthodox liberals find me appalling, neaderthalic, or quite plausibly even crypto-fascist, or in other words, much like yourself!
I don’t think everyone is entirely materialistic in their outlook, even in the far hinterlands of Cupcake Land where presumably the men have all been gelded so that they won’t stray.
The fact is as women age and have divorced they tend to loosen up quite a bit and start acting like men! In other words they’ll find themselves a younger guy to mow the lawn and perform stud service even if he doesn’t make much money. After all, we have things other than money to trade for room & board, and after all, the bulge in the right hip pocket where the wallet resides is not the only bulge in a man’s pants favored by the fairer sex.
Thank you for ‘following’ our new farm blog, Wage! The opening hour (or so) campaign drive is going splendidly.
Hey, no problem.
Just don’t expect me at the market tomorrow!
Citizens of the CFN! I come before you humbly requesting, as Minister of Horticulture, and as your friend, that you assist us in putting our farm blog on the map in its first day of live operation. It is a rudimentary thing at this point, but the important part is that we gain steam in search engine strength as we take it live, posting produce menus, workshop schedules, tour dates, etc.
http://www.tonicpermaculture.blogspot.com/
Please join as a ‘follower’ if you can, and also ‘like’ us (Tonic Permaculture) on FB if you use that medium.
To borrow a salutation from the Permaculture Activist Magazine managing editor,
Go forth and mulch apply!
Trippticket
MOH
CFN
Filming the Police in the USA While Being Sexually Assaulted by the Police Can Get You 15 Years in a USA Prison
Tiawanda Moore’s case has inspired outrage from anti-domestic abuse groups. “We just had two Chicago police officers indicted for sexual assault, there have been several other cases of misconduct against women,” says Melissa Spatz of the Chicago Task Force on Violence Against Girls & Young Women. “And now you have Moore, who was trying to report this guy, and she gets arrested. The message here is that victims of unwanted sexual advances by police officers have no recourse — that the police can act with impunity.”
If the Chicago cops recently indicted for sexual assault are convicted, they’ll face four to 15 years in prison. That’s the same sentence Tiawanda Moore is facing for trying to document her frustrations while reporting her own alleged sexual assault: Recording an on-duty police officer in Illinois is a Class 1 felony, the same class of crimes as rape.
Oh, alright. I suppose it would be a bit of a drive, wouldn’t it.
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/229785-Why-TSA-Wars-State-Defined-Diets-Seat-Belt-Laws-the-War-On-Drugs-Police-Brutality-and-Efforts-to-Control-the-Internet-Are-Essential-to-the-State
Whenever justice is uncertain and police spying and terror are at work, human beings fall into isolation, which, of course, is the aim and purpose of the dictator state, since it is based on the greatest accumulation of depotentiated social units. ~ Carl Jung
“Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.”
Homo Rape, eh? Sounds bad. You said it wasn’t so bad before. I believe you now since I didn’t ask you this time, you just volunteered it. That is how Truth is found out nowadays. Why you felt it necessary to obfuscate is the real Mystery.
Here, Here. Let a thousand flowers bloom. Like the gay poet said, blossom of bone. Let all be corrupted and hold hands. That’s what the hippies didn’t understand – all brother/sister hoods are that of sinners. On that basis and only on that basis can such circles endure. THAT is the difference between Conservatives and Liberals. All traditional societies were by definition, conservative.
Only such a Communion of Conscious Sinners can reflect the Communion of Saints on high. Can we say with Rasputin, “Sin greatly that you might be saved”? No, better not.
Come on, guys, we haven’t gotten a new follower since Wagelaborer! Help a brother out! (See above.)
Weiner Nausea…wonder if JHK will do a column on:
DID WIENER SEXT WITH A 17 YEAR OLD?
Time will tell…
from F.A.M.:
The lame stream media is on Sarah Palin watch. It’s a good distraction away from Obama’s complete and utter failures and Anthony Weiner’s perverted lifestyle. Here’s what we’ve learned so far from Palin’s e-mail:
Sarah Palin actually used e-mail! But according to the lame progressives, she’s too stupid to even use a computer or cell phone
Sarah Palin used a Yahoo e-mail address! How dare she!
Sarah Palin did not start her career in a domestic terrorist’s living room like Bill Ayers!
The Lame stream media has no problem going through 24,000 pages of e-mails but refuses to read the 2,500 page ObamaCARE bill.
On Sep 15, 2008, Palin forwarded an email to Todd about a friend of his who’d been injured.
Sarah Palin said “SHEESH” in an e-mail! OH MY GOD! HOW DARE SHE
Sarah Palin never said America has 57 states
Sarah Palin never botched a toast to the Queen of England
Sarah Palin never signed a guestbook three years into the past
Sarah Palin never said STAND UP CHUCK to someone in a wheelchair
Sarah Palin never claimed there was a language called “Austrian”
Sarah Palin never asked for the website “number”
from Wiki:
“Make no mistake about it, every single Republican I have ever met in my entire life is a wholly owned subsidiary of the insurance industry.”[20]
In 2003, he received a 100% rating from the National Abortion Rights Action League and a 0% rating from National Right to Life Committee (NRLC). He voted against the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act, which made it a crime for a doctor to perform intact dilation and extractions
.[21] He was critical of the Stupak-Pitts Amendment, which places limits on taxpayer-funded abortions in the context of the November 2009 Affordable Health Care for America Act
Why do you seek ‘followers’?
I cant resist…………….
‘A beautiful park, a jewel of Los Angeles’
SURE 40 years ago..
Its a nitemare now..full of the wrong people.
And more of them every month.
Isn’t it obvious? Tripp is a permacultural evangelist?
What horrified me: Ben Stein is only one of the prominent Jews who support Kahn.
Bulgarian! That’s our Wage.
OK, Tripp – I’m your newest “follower.” You were talking earlier in the week about “getting your media affairs in order” (paraphrased) I started to suggest something like EXACTLY what you have done – a blog specifically for business, staying off politics, etc. What you’ve got, looks good.
Good luck, man; tomorrow ought to be a good day down there. And those spaghetti squash sound great – I’ve got to talk to you about some more mushroom spores before too long.
We’ve had two (count ’em, two) days of rain, back to back, up here at the edge of the mountains. Before that it had been two weeks with nothing.
So now, the garden (weeds and all) and everything else is running completely amok. But that’s OK; Life is Good.
You know me by now – I’ve gotta give one bit of advice/warning, here goes – If you’re selling anything by the pound in Georgia – you’ve got to have a “Certified Scale.” So you can sell those squash of yours by the bunch, the basket, the bushel, or the truckload – but not by the pound – Not without one of those little green GA Department of Agriculture stickers. Politics, I know – Both sides of it!
Good luck tomorrow!
Thanks, PoC, for your support of our farm blog!!
Who will be next??
Good advice on the scale too, thanks, although no one has balked yet about our little yellow basket scale. Maybe we’ll just nip that one in the bud before the US-DUH starts sticking their nose in our business…
June 8 /9.43…
‘I made you feel stupid ‘
Did Rocket[man?boy, girl] make you feel smart?
I’ll deal with rocket when I get up the thread to him.
I have no idea what you’re talking about with ‘feel stupid ‘
You want to elaborate?
But yeah, asia – I always feel “smart.” I think it’s in my genes.
Tiawanda sounds alot like Tawana. The Black Community got a black eye on that one. And Sharpton still hasn’t apologized for slandering the officers.
Now, since you’re on a roll, do you feel like really making my day and joining Small Batch as a follower too?? 39 is one of my magic numbers, it was my squadron at the Air Force Academy and it pops up all the time, and you’d be #39 if you are next.
Hancock,
Man! Dude! You’re back!
Check out my short post to Wage on 6/8 @ 8:38. You two have finally hooked me in to the conspiracy fetish. Except the banker thing is such a “hide in plain sight” manifestation of the authoritarian personality; yet it may be the one that’s going to take us down for good.
RW/LW politics, BAH – because that doesn’t matter with respect to what’s hanging out there waiting for us as a species.
The nasty brutes of humanity 20,000 years ago
morphed into the tribal leaders
then morphed into politicians and the uber rich
But 20,000 years was not nearly enough time to leave behind the particular alignment of human genetics and behavior that demands rising to the top in control of Everything – consequences be damned.
Except – this time it is for, truly, ALL the marbles.
Nature vs Nurture doesn’t matter – like any other population in overshoot of capacity; our genes are in control and pushing us to the edge.
Sure would have been an easier ride, in a USA with fewer souls on board.
Alrighty, there it is.
All sorts of sick shit goes on in the navy. Haven’t you ever watched an episode of NCIS? Basically, if you’re attached to a bad command where weird shit is going on and the crew is too small to go through the chain of command because then everyone would know you were the informer you then excercise the option of going to the naval intelligence office to speak with one of the civilian agents. These were also the guys who took the drug dogs through the barracks.
In any event, the larger the vessel the more dangerous it is to be aboard that ship. One advantage to submarine duty is that for instance you can’t be thrown overboard while underway at sea.
Recently I was talking with a haircut customer whose daughter is in the navy and hates it, and whose rating group is also being phased out to some extent so she can’t simply reenlist. I told him to recommend to her that she get out of the navy and enlist in the coast guard instead. The coast guard is safer for women on sea duty because their vessels are so small that that cuts down significantly on some of the problems common to larger ships.
The first ship I was on was well run and had a fairly healthy atmosphere aboard ship but there were creepy things going on in the squadron as a whole. The second boat was totally screwed up and then got even stranger in dry dock as there was nothing to do but stand guard duty for over a year.
The more irritating common occurances were being hit on by gays, dope idiots who would get stoned even when armed and standing duty, and people who would try to plant hashish pipes in your bunk to get even with you for getting an appointment to OCS or something to that effect. Shit like that goes on all the time. You also have to monitor your surroundings and evaluate which insults to let pass or who to punch out or retaliate against. I’ve never been in prison so I can’t really compare it to that but then again it’s not exactly civilization either.
I think that ultimately the navy is a bad career because there are simply too many assholes in your close proximity and it is extremely annoying much of the time. Becoming an officer doesn’t really solve the problem either because the cooler junior officers also tend to dislike the navy and generally don’t plan to reenlist once their time is up. This is why enlisted men must be continually commissioned out of the ranks as “limited duty officers” to take up the slack created by the regular officer’s high attrition rate. Annapolis trained officers leave the navy in even higher numbers than ROTC products. OCS officers are only reservists and not much of a factor numerically any more at this point. In any event I generally won’t recommend the navy to older high school kids who wonder about it. I usually tell them to try to get into King’s Point if they want to go to sea. King’s Point is the merchant marine academy run by the federal government which leads to a career on civilian vessels.
“We learn the most from those we like the least.”
There are many things that you can learn from me, Rocket77. For example:
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You have issues, Rocket77 – large and debilitating personality issues. You, as a new poster to CFN, ostensibly, want advice involving emigration from the US. But you’ve got “xenophobia” and “eugenic science” as some of your palpable hot buttons.
So, since I like to push hot buttons – I try to engage, and you immediately have second sight into my intestines as you have me “lighting farts in a crowded blog….”
Whatever, jackass – all you had to say was that my point was not specific enough for debate. (It wasn’t, btw, I was just goading you.) Your insults concerning the flammable results of my intestinal processes were just a weird and, oddly kinky, distraction to what is considered “normal???” dialog on CFN.
So I try again – with a conciliatory post yesterday morning. And if you had any subtlety at all – you could see that I’m trying to deescalate the stupid thing –
But, no – oh no – At this point you want to go into my rectum YET again as I quote you – “one of those people reaches their hand up your butt to wriggle your lips and torque…” -rockett77-
You have some weird fixations on the anuses of those with whom you disagree, Mr. Rocket.
I’ll be happy to help you with your personality issues, Rocket77.
But, you need to keep your head and your thoughts – out of my anus – if you please.
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And, one more thing, PLEASE PLEASE tell me that you made this “you’re” error on PURPOSE –
“…..I point out you’re silly statements only to claim that I’m merely….”
-rocket77-
Because otherwise, Rocket77, your elementary school just FLAT-OUT STOLE yo’ momma’s money – and you need to go back to grammar school for a REAL education, before attempting college again.
Dumbass!
Remember there is a Mr and Mrs Asoka.
Sounds horrible. After seeing all that, I don’t blame you for wanting to drop out. Just think how it will be once there are openly gay officers.
There! Happy? Quit whining and go to bed 🙂 Market starts early.
Agent 39, your work is most noble! You will forever own one of the great numbers in Small Batch history. Thank you.
Now, who will make it a nice round 40?!
Lewis, right you are! I tarried too long at my desk last night, and now I have onions to pull and dress, greens and herbs to cut, mushrooms to pick, spaghetti squash to gather, and I’m running our market table solo today…with the baby on my back. My wife and daughter are heading to Atlanta for a family baby shower.
Talk about returning to more traditional ways, we’re sending them several herbal teas – woman’s tonic, lactation tea, wound wash, that sort of thing; some of our famous comfrey cream; and a plucked goose for the special occasion! When was the last time someone gave you a goose??
Thanks for boosting our numbers!!
Speaking of the wonders of comfrey, for anyone who read my blog post “Fast Forward” on May 24th, I want to report back that the comfrey mulching I gave to the little nectarine tree in the photos has had an incredible impact. The formerly-autumn-esque leaf coloration, as well as the black spot disease on the leaves, are both disappearing, the tree is greening in general, and finally sending out new growth!
And in a mere 18 days the comfrey has almost fully regenerated!! I just really noticed yesterday, so as you can imagine, I started laying comfrey down everywhere it was ready to cut. Particularly around the young peppers and eggplants that replaced the ones that were broken in the storm earlier this week. If you want a robust, organic garden sooner rather than later, get some comfrey involved! I’m continually amazed by it.
Here’s the link to the photos of the ailing nectarine tree in question:
http://smallbatchgarden.blogspot.com/2011/05/fast-forward.html
I’ll post update photos soon on its progress.
Hey Trip,
I’m always one to support good works, even as I live in NYC. I have sent an email out to a friend who’s a farmer in Maine and will be sending something out to a friend who is involved in a community garden in the East Village, just a few blocks away from me.
Congrats–hope you do well at the market.
Good to see some postings from Hancock.
Just to wax a bit nostalgic, Hancock was the first blogger on this site to respond to one of my early postings and he had a lot of insight into what I was saying. I really appreciated that.
Thanks, lbendet. You know the respect is mutual.
Keep posting ’em and we’ll keep reading ’em.
Hey Tripp, all signed in. I am under an old googl e account Riki Yiki Tavi. Keep up the good fight my man!
First off, Friend Reb, it’s not a “fetish” sadly. That’s your Corprophagic Conventional Wisdom bleeding in and holding you back, IMHO, though I do respect your opinion.
I understand. It’s a hard thing when all assumptions one has had for one’s life get turned upside down by reality’s harsh dead-fish-swat. The Cassandra Complex. See the excellent and insightfully tragic movie, “12 Monkeys” if you haven’t already.
Second, I was going to say that talking to you over time has certainly altered my “Good Vs. Evil” view of the Civil War Between the States For the States Rights…to Own Slaves and for Yankee Bankers to Corporatize the USA.
I can’t deny you have made more than a few good points on that issue. I will still always maintain that the issue of human chattel slavery was over-arching, which will always to me make the Union the more correct cause for the future of humanity…but I see it sure wasn’t an all or none thing.
(still I can’t help now seeing many Reb Leaders as more like Newt Gingrich types, personally braver, to be sure but everyone was mad-brave in that war, as opposed to the “noble soldier” we have been sold by NeoRebfederate propaganda and RW political correctness – not Lee, though – he was pretty damned noble and thoughful, it seems)
What a curious thing to witness on an Internet chat site. Two individuals (mostly) rationally discussing the issues over the long term, which influences each ideological position towards a deeper understanding on both sides.
In a country run as madly insane as 1931 Weimar, this is no small feat and we should enjoy it for a moment.
OTOH, fuck that, you puscillanimous America-hatin’, Libtard Socialishits know-nothing. Everything you say is evil because you are evil and your beliefs are evil.
Oh, and by the way, MY Giant Bearded Man in the Sky is better than your Giant Bearded Man in the Sky and I am so going to smite you, evil bastard, which will then teach your leaking brains the ultimate and universal truth of MY Giant Bearded Man in the Sky.
Argle Bargle. Argle Bargle! Fucktard! Gibber Gibber Jews and Blacks Gibber Gibber! Cluck Cluck Cluck College Philosophy 101 I’m Rubber You’re Glue Sqwauk Sqwauk Cluck Cluck!
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And for God’s sake, Progorcons, stop getting baited by people who waste your time. He’s a college kid who made a bet with his Prof. Take a deep breath and think about it.
I occasionally still get into shouting matches with idiots, but you let your button get pushed almost every single time, though you are finally making some strides, I have seen. Needs more work. Save yourself the headache. It’s just anonymous message board bullshit.
You know what works for me? Try visualizing just who you are most likely conversing with and ask yourself if you would waste precious moments of your life arguing with their gibber, argle bargle, and college philosophy 101 shallow crapola if they were standing face-to-face with you.
When I was in most people weren’t reenlisting so the decision to get out was the norm and therefore unremarkable. Although some of the gay sailors were annoying most of them were okay, didn’t bother anyone, or were in some cases good sailors. I don’t think that openly gay officers would be much of a problem to enlisted men because they’re not permitted to fraternize with the enlisted anyway. Because of the cramped quarters the navy has the strictest rules against fraternization. The only place where I hung out with junior officers was at OCS after I quit and was waiting on orders for two months. Some of the ensigns at surface warfare officers’ school were prior enlisted and still liked to get drunk at the enlisted club which is how I met them. When I went to my next command that came to an end. When I was in the navy it was right after the Vietnam debacle and the navy still had low morale.
The military today kind of creeps me out with the all pervasive drug testing to the point where you really can’t even smoke a little pot as military people did back in the ’60s & ’70s when they had to catch you red handed since marijuana wasn’t added to the urine testing program until 1983. There was also the absurd classist mentality that only the men liked to get high, which was clearly absurd. The biggest pot dealer on my college campus was a NROTC midshipman, and then after I got out my sister dated an Annapolis graduate who was growing weed in his basement, so so much for that theory as they say.
I was too old when I enlisted. If you’re going to have any hope of fitting in in the military then you need to enlist or enter a service academy or what not at the age of seventeen through nineteen. Instead of wasting my time on the military I should have been up in Alaska panning for gold. After all, in this country all that counts is getting rich. Then, as you pointed out Vlad all of the women will want you so you can then ignore Keith Richard’s sage advice and buy a house for a woman you will end up disliking!
Progorcons,
By the way, feel free to check out the Bilderbergs’ web site, which I would link to, but then ninjas would drop from the ceiling and slit my throat.
(seriously, though, I just got my computer virus cleaned and I don’t want to have to spend another C-note on it, whether it’s from BildeNinjas or a snot-nose bored college-kid)
Easy enough to find with a Google and it’s a .org, if I recall.
And remember, it’s just a bunch of rich old people just hangin’ out behind layers of riot police in a near 100% media-silent atmosphere which had sucessfully denied the organization’s existance for five decades and most people still don’t believe it even exists, if you mention it to them.
Oh, and the organization was founded in 1954 by Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands’ Dad, once an SS man and I.G. Farben Board member. I.G. Farben being the manufacturers of Zyklon B, for the Coincidence Theorists out there.
What an example of progress, ProgorCons! The daughter of such a man joining a club in which Henry Kissinger is in such high standing and s special guest this year! Racial harmony among the Global Aristocratic Elite – how heartwarming!
When Henry Kissinger crawls out of his lair, it usually means major death, pestilence and suffering somewhere is about to happen in a months to year or few years time-frame. Beware. The man is a human ill-omen, whatever his race or religion. TLE seems to be moving at an ever-increasing pace and so it would not suprise me if “al-CIAda’s nuclear retaliation” on an American City, thus starting the Great War which will once again deflect Plebian anger onto each other, comes in 2013 or 2017, whichever is the first term of President Palin, Romney, Gingrich, Insert RW Corporate Tool Here.
Obama’s a Good NeoLib Corporate Tool, but his role isn’t to wield the hammer and pistol-whip – that “honor” goes to the Bush Family and their Inner Circle, I think. Something like that.
As always, I suspect, but can not know for sure. watch out in 2013 and 2017, though…
“When Henry Kissinger crawls out of his lair, it usually means major death, pestilence and suffering somewhere is about to happen in a months to year or few years time-frame. Beware. The man is a human ill-omen, whatever his race or religion.” -Hancock
That is always the bone-chilled feeling I get when his name is even mentioned [in word or print].
The “man” is a walking portent of bloody doom.
How has he lived so long? A good constitution, or has he sold his soul to the Deb’bil (…or the Bush Coven; whichever comes first)?
It creeps me out to hear that he’s “guest of horror” at the BB’s black sabbath this year. Brrrr!
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Which brings me to a disheartening [and somewhat frightening] thought.
I was talking to the wife just yesterday (we do that from time to time) about further plans for cleared spaces ’round here. Y’know, leaving stuff in a usable, nature-enhancing, low-energy state for the chirr’ens. The wife says, “What if it’s not a good idea?” “Gad’zooks! Whatever do you mean?”, sez I.
To distill: What if it’s not a “good idea” to prolong their suffering by giving false hope of a sliver of salvation in a world of horror and barbarism, where nature itself has been perverted toward a distinct aversion of one of its’ creations (Homo-suicidium)?
I had nuthin’ to say, other than, “You may have sumpthin’ there.”
Sorry for the buzzkill; mebbe it’s too much rain, eh? ;o) Anyhoo, it’s not really important, ’cause most everything is wildly out of my sphere of influence. Guess I’ll do what I do and keep a weather-eye out. I’m “comfortable” here, and am not considering fleeing (that would be a “life or death” instant). I believe it to be a “good” thing to live in a place where one’s human interactions can be a prized part of existence. I’ve been many times a stranger in many strange places and would not choose it as a way of life.
I’m reading Home to Nowhere. Very engaging writing, but i get the feeling he’s shovelling shit against the tide. Things have changed since he wrote it, although I recognize many passages that are repeated in various outlets by him; I wonder what he’d add to it now. I think it would have included more about peak oil, as he discusses at length today. In the coda, JHK mentions his truck and plein air painting, I wonder what his relationship to gasoline is today? Does he have a vehicle? How much does he use it, etc? Would he recommend any action to us on car ownership, biking and so forth? (I gave up a car after the BP spill, which was a final straw for me, but also the expense. I ride a bike or recumbent trike now as smugly as possible.) I don’t see any change in drivers consciousness, they drive like bats out of hell, anxious to get THERE. GOt to be THERE. Get to the fucking MALL. Oh I hate them, spewing noxious gases that I have to breathe from my bike. Do they care what they’re doing to the air? I didn’t but now I do. Seems like everyone could cut their driving in half without any economic impact. Just a little thought to that habit, that’s all. Anyway, rambling on. I’m all for positive energy from intelligent advocates as JHK.
Hancock,
Yah, conspiracy “fetish” was the wrong word choice, I’ll admit. But I was mentally preparing my response to the rocket while I was writing my response to you. And considering his apparent fascination with my nether regions – Looks like I had aberrant sexual practices on the brain.
My bad.
Although, speaking of how we let our buttons be pushed, Mr. Hancock – I seem to recall some magnificent prose executed by you against a couple of CFN posters. One against “David Spade” in particular, comes to my mind. –
-pot to kettle; black??- hahohe!
And I wouldn’t be doing it if I didn’t get a lot out of it myself. Plus, you must have observed my innate desire to help others. I’m trying to help my latest sparring partner with a couple of things right now. I do hope he comes back out to play, today – as I’ll be off the computer in a few hours, until next week. Guess we can always play then – say about Tuesday when the thread degrades away from JHK’s new idea for the week.
I’m not sure about Mr. Rocket just yet. He may be a great addition to the pantheon of CFN posters – or he be a jackass to whom we should always refer in third person. (Which is the coolest trick ever, btw, and one that YOU, by yourself taught me. And I’m a fairly old dog, so congratulations HC.)
He’s pretty bright though, and I found that out a little bit late on this first round. That’s a cultural thing related to insults. In my Southern culture and growing up years, insults were used to start fights – as in fistfights – and that was their exclusive use, except among fairly close friends (aka male jousting). So by the time we got into our teen years and started drinking a little; only the stupid and the mean were leading with insults as a coping strategy.
So I don’t quite “get” the purpose of insult on an anonymous internet forum. When someone leads with insult right out of the clear blue, a mental switch flips in my head – “he’s stupid” – and usually I’m right about it – But not always, and not this time.
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One more time – in case I’m not being clear – Rocket77, you won the first round. You played dumb and weak and I kept pushing and pushing and finally you used my momentum and you flipped me.
Well played.
And I’m glad this is anonymous internet judo, instead of street fighting, because otherwise I might be coughing up teeth right about now – to extend the metaphor beyond recognition. Some people can do stream of consciousness writing. Obviously I am not one of them.
Gotta help a neighbor with a tree before it gets any hotter. Let’s hope I don’t cut my foot off with a chainsaw because I’m thinking about a “Grand Unifying Conspiracy Theory,” for Hancock1863 instead of concentration on safe tree bucking procedures.
So I’ll be back – with reasonable luck.
And thanks for the shout, Hancock, you old Yankee, you. 😉
well in the long run, we all do pay that bill. It will come due before long, in the form of climate collapse, and other pollution.
MSM actually had a good story!!
Last night I caught a story that was worthy of the word news…
They discussed the study done to see the finances of our governing legislative body (Cong & Sen).
They said on average they were all making at least 5%-11% more in the stock market than the average citizen in the US.
Isn’t that special…I guess you can figure out why we can’t reinstate Glass Stegall etc.
No consumer protection against the banksters in this country.
Hancock, This is not really unrelated to your most recent post, oddly enough.
The Zeitgeist of 2011: Powder keg between India and Pakistan a 1914 moment?
I’ve been wanting to post this for the past three weeks, but have been too busy to address it.
Around May 20th , I took a look at a newsstand where the Financial Times had an interview by Simon Schama with Kissinger about his new book on China. On the same day I ran across the same issue brought up by Webster Tarpley, another historian with a completely different philosophical bent, but somehow they seem to have focused on the same imminent global great game scenario. Since then I have seen a couple of other articles on the same subject, though I didn’t have a chance to read them.
Kissinger: An interesting read altogether as
only Kissinger, using Nixon as his front could have opened China to the west and introduced neoliberal economics to the communist state. One has to only imagine the huge wealth Kissinger and Associates has accrued thanks to the transplanting the crown jewels of American wealth: American manufacturing to China.
Note: He bemoans the fact that the burgeoning yuppy class in China is selfish–but why is he surprised? (one has to ask)
The most important moment in the interview is about what he said about Pakistan/Indian tensions and how other powers play into it:
[Kissinger laughs even as he sketches a scenario for an Afghanistan even grimmer than anything anyone has yet imagined, where the presence or absence of al-Qaeda will be the least of its problems. What might happen, he says, is a de facto partition, with India and Russia reconstituting the Northern Alliance, and Pakistan hooked to the Taliban as a backstop against their own encirclement.
Suddenly, spring goes chilly. The prospect looms of a centennial commemoration of the first world war through a half-awake re-enactment. Not Belgium but Sarajevo. Think proxy half-states; the paranoia of encirclement; the bristling arsenals, in this case nuclear; the nervous, beleaguered Pakistanis lashing out in passive-aggressive insecurity. “An India-Pakistan war becomes more probable. Eventually,” says the Doctor, his voice a deep pond of calm. “Therefore some kind of international process in which these issues are discussed might generate enough restraints so that Pakistan does not feel itself encircled by India and doesn’t see a strategic reserve in the Taliban.” He looks directly at me. “Is it possible to do this? I don’t know. But I know if we let matters drift this could become the Balkans of the next world war.”]
Tarpley has a similar theme although there are differences in analysis from Kissinger on his website article dated May 20
[…“Any Attack on Pakistan Would be Construed as an Attack on China”
China has officially put the United States on notice that Washington’s planned attack on Pakistan will be interpreted as an act of aggression against Beijing.
Times of India,China has “warned in unequivocal terms that any attack on Pakistan would be construed as an attack on China.”This ultimatum was reportedly delivered at the May 9 China-US strategic dialogue and economic talks in Washington. Chinese warnings are implicitly backed up by that nation’s nuclear missiles,including an estimated 66 ICBMs,some capable of striking the United States,plus 118 intermediate-range missiles,36 submarine-launched missiles,and numerous shorter-range systems.
Support from China is seen by regional observers as critically important for Pakistan,which is otherwise caught in a pincers between the US and India:“If US and Indian pressure continues, Pakistan can say ‘China is behind us. Don’t think we are isolated,we have a potential superpower with us…]
There’s more to this article, very insightful. I cannot copy site addresses at the moment.
LB,
Damn good catch!
Would you imagine it’s the last looting before “the comeuppance”?
Seems as though some in China have nagging doubts about the fiscal health of the FUSA…
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28301.htm
(Of course, we shouldn’t forget that “the lib’ruls” are behind ALL the malfeasance, chicanery, and lies eh? Just watch the pinball machine of talking-point dumbfuckery light up like a White House Xmas tree, LB! It’ll be along shortly. ;o)
Up here, in my neck of the woods, the winter runoff is beginning to assert itself in a raging manner. So I have been out in the field the last few days, painting from life. And I have finally figured out how to capture the swelling magnificence of a river spilling over its bank: One needs to freeze an impression of a momentary river occurrence in the mind‘s eye, otherwise you might as well be chasing the wind. It’s just too fast moving and visually complex; nature on the run is the most elusive moving target. The spontaneity of a white cap splashing is just the type of superficially sharp detail that can seduce the painter into puncturing the monumental whole if depicted too eagerly. And make no mistake, these splashy flourishes of happenstance, the surface aspects of the skin, are the hardest details to ignore in search of deeper facts and greater truths when wrestling with the overwhelming abundance of nature.
So to move deeper into a profound visual understanding of the turbulent river, a painter must acknowledge that most fundamental visual mediator: The Law of Light and Shadow. The top planes of a river will be reflecting the sky, and if muddy, like most agitated waters, it will a grayed down brown/orange via the color blue and white. The planes turning away from the direct light source will retain the stronger saturation and value of their local color – a deep brownish orange in this particular case. The shadows, cast from trees and foliage or from the deep undulations of the water itself will be a very grayed down purple/blue, maybe even leaning towards indigo as it moves farther away the source of the shadow and towards the reflecting influence of the blue(ish) sky. The highlights will be small touches of the sky color itself, and the whitecaps nothing but accents lending directional impulse.
Nothing escapes the law of light and shadow, not even the transparency of water.
Intresting, but I must politely disagree. Why?
Consider this: Whatever becomes of the world, the younger a person is, the more they need hope for the future, I believe, that is an integral part of a balanced life and soul, if you will.
Not unrealistic but the idea that come what may, there is still value to being a decent human being who strives to be just. Kids and young adults have so much of their lives ahead of them, to rob them of 100% of hope like that, even if it is true, is like throwing their souls immediately into the deep end of the pool.
Is that not a bit of a minor transgression against their soul, the worse it is the younger they are, to do so? I am just asking, not judging in any way plus I don’t know how old your kids are.
I recall reading somewhere, that in Jewish Mysticism, the Kabbala, the ancient rule is that no one can study it unless they are over the age of 35, because the meditations and mysticism are so deep, so overwhelming, that it takes a brain of a certain maturity to witstand it.
Modern biology suggests that the human brain does not fully cease maturing until the mid 20s, with some speculation that it could be as late as the early 30s.
Just something to think about…
Once a thing is learned and understood, it can never be unlearned or ignored again.
On most any Reservation.
‘I.G. Farben Board’…are there connections from the Rockefellers to that company?
They did supply the ‘gas that killed 6 million’
[sorry Vlad, gotta call a spade a spade].
The first punk group was the FUGS, 40 or more years ago they had a great song about Henry.
‘Kissinger: An interesting read altogether as
only Kissinger, using Nixon as his front could have opened China to the west’
Didnt Rockefeller visit China like 35 years ago, hoping to bring capitalist Banking there?
and Cola, as they had no Coke!
And the USA’s richest [Buffet and Gates] visited together there in the 80’s or 90’s?
HC, I think you’re reading things into my posts which aren’t there.
I think you selectively tune into my thundering denuciations of aspects of liberalism. But I think you selectively tune out my condemnation of the other side of the spectrum that gives ideological cover to the anything goes behaviour within the corporate managerial class which gutted this continent economically and which ruined our respective capital markets.
Also I think you’re applying a model of politics to Canada which is American and which doesn’t fit here very well. While there are aspects of our politics which are similar to the US, IMO Canuck political parties are grounded in regional interests. There is some correspondence between Canuck liberalism and the Liberal Party and Canuck conservatism and the Conservative Party but the overlap is only approximate.
As far as this big RW win goes, the Conservatives won 167 of 308 seats and 39.6% of the popular vote. A majority of the seats but not a big win and as yet a tenuous alliance between voters in the West and voters in Ontario.
The Liberal Party’s malignant policies and attitude towards the West made it poisonous there. And the alternative lifestyle preferences of trendy liberal urbanites is making the Liberal Party distasteful in some immigrant communities with more traditional views on personal behaviour and family structure and function.
If you want to talk left/right, as I’ve said in other posts the Conservatives sit to the left of Hillary Clinton. Our official opposition, the socialist NDP with 102 seats, have no real counterpart in the US. Plus we’ve been contending with a secessionist party rooted in a large French speaking province which has 25% of the country’s population.
But, like I said, Canuck politics has its own quirks. The left-wing/right-wing paradigm is of some use but I wouldn’t overdo it. Regional interests play a big role here.
I’m not trying to talk my way into your good regard or win a popularity contest. I’m trying to explain my thinking. If you find my posts irrational or objectionable so be it.
Dumbass!……..Proof that today’s College Grads [or some] cant use ‘there/you are’ correctly.
You didn’t include ‘Brainfart’ in the terms listed.
Maybe it was pointed at someone else.
‘All sorts of sick shit goes on in the navy.’
The role of Gov’t is to house / employ the unemployable.
Yes, Asia
I remember the FUGS First Album. Still have it somewhere. Henry the K as we called him then would be a good subject for them to sing about, thoug I don’t recall that particular song.
Kissinger and Nixon went to China in 1972, so that, my friend is 39 years ago and I believe they were the first to break the ice since 1948.
All the other bankers and corporations came in afterward, but that was the Kissinger agenda, wasn’t it.
OK. Finished the book, Pagan Christ. What did YOU think?
**Regarding hope’s future and the jung…**
“Is that not a bit of a minor transgression against their soul, the worse it is the younger they are, to do so? I am just asking, not judging in any way plus I don’t know how old your kids are.” -Hancock
You may have sumpthin’ there. ;o)
They’s old enough to know better!
However, far be it from me to torpedo a younger person’s hopes. Conversely, I will not engage in the manufacture of FALSE hope.
Although the wife “may have sumpthin’ there”, everyone must make their own way, and help create their own life experience. Our son is thinking of sailing rigs (that would be turning toward future realism). I would only advise [negatively] in a case of an oil-dependent technology; that’s about it.
Plus, why would we be facing the chimney with stone? I don’t consider that too “temporary”, eh? ;o)
Profit from Work ?
Work Doesn’t Generate Profits Anymore
If there is any real logic operating in the “economy” (which I doubt), if there is any cause and effect, any common sense operating, if there is anything real behind it, then we are really in trouble. We can only hope in the usual quirks, random way that the forces engaged play out, that companies just decide to hire for the fun of it (inventing all kinds of whacky job tasks, but that is ok, that has been going on for decades now), that all of a sudden an assignment language assigns as important a whole bunch of items and tasks that were previously not even on the radar, so as to hire the unemployed etc. Otherwise, the USA, EU and JAPAN will simply slowly but surely go down the drain one way or the other, no matter what anyone wants or thinks or tries to figure out.
And why is this ? Well, aside from the very real and powerful Macro Economic Trend of the Technological Economy eliminating jobs automatically, no matter what, because it uses computers, software, optimizations, robots, globalizations, and can make any factory in any hidden corner of Latin America, Africa or Asia churn out almost any item with people working for 200 dollars a month (which, strangely compared to the western salaries is actually quite high, they are actually making a lot more money than their western factory workers, given that in the west they give you 800 dollars a month, but just the rent can cost you more than 1,000 dollars a month, you get – 200 dollars a month, at least in 3rd world countries, they give you even zero (no need to even pay, free work, no need to pay them, just give them a room and some food, many in the West would love something like that, and they would readily work for free, who cares!) but 3 hots and a cot for free and you would still be way ahead of any western worker, go figure), you have another very powerful and real Macro Economic Trend going on: Work or Labor no longer generates a profit for the Bosses, for the Capitalists, for the Small or Big Businesses, for the Entrepreneurs.
Work is not giving back its costs: the capitalists are right on this, why on earth hire people if they can’t make a profit from their labor ? And how on earth are they going to make a profit from their labor ? but especially what labor, what tasks, what on earth can the workers possibly do to make their bosses gain more money than what they cost ? Very little, this is also structural, there is amost nothing the workers can do to improve their situation: they are redundant, not needed, optimized out of any usefulness, automated and technically rendered obsolete, cost more than what they are costing (let alone what they are worth – which I imagine is a big fat zero) and worth even for the poor capitalists, who are supposed to “invest” and “bet on them”.
What activity can the poor capitalists make the worker perform, for 8 hours a day, eveyday, what manipulations for every minute for 8 hours, what physical or informational transformations and manipulations can the worker perform that will make the money being paid for the worker be paid back with at least some profit ? I have a hard time imaging what, honestly. And this is the problem:
Work doesn’t generate Profits anymore, the old rules no longer apply, people are simply a cost, are a pain in the ass, are useless and redundant and still think that they are needed. And even if some types are needed, they are far and in between, maybe some specialized machine shop guys, some technological guys, some other things, maybe a few hundred or thousand of these types at most, it won’t make a dent in the millions of jobs needed in the USA, EU and JAPAN. No wonder everyone is in “punishment mode”, the capitalists are always saying that workers are not “productive enough” or “innovative enough” or “competitive enough” (even they don’t know why workers have become such huge useless turds), everyone is pissed off at everyone else, everyone is hating on everyone else: they are all frustrated because they sense how useless they have all become, how useless their “skills” or “work potential” really is, they know they can’t sell anything of value to anyone no matter what, that is why everyone wants to fire everyone else, wants to call everyone else a freeloader, lazy and not deserving. They know that there is very little left to really sell other people, you can only sell so much BS and so many fairy tales to people until they see through all of them (like education) and discover that it is all a scam.
So what is the solution ? Free Salaries, Cheap Rents, governments must take this problem in their hands and force a solution, there is no other hidden hand of the market, no magic, no tax cuts that will change any of this. No innovation, no research and development that will “create jobs” (in fact research and development have been killing jobs for decades now, go figure), etc.
Another solution is to drastically cut the fixed external costs people have: since you won’t be able to expect a salary of more than 800 dollars a month in the future, since nothing you do can possibly be worth much more, then the external, independent variable costs like housing rents and prices of houses must be slashed violently: rents of 100 to 200 dollars a month at most, homes costing not more than 50,000 dollars all across and the same for all 3 developed regions of the world USA, EU and JAPAN. And same for health care, dentists and doctors have to ask for 5 and 10 dollars for services, colleges and schools have to cut their prices by the boatloads, etc. Cut all of the external costs, the independent variable costs big time, that is the only solution.
Of course, none of this will be done, no logic operates, nothing of the above is true for a simple reason: the system has no rules, there are no common sense patterns, the system is a total chaotic random quirk, and it all may play out perfectly all the same, after all 90 % of the USA workers are still working (not producing anything at all but that is ok) most work is just fighting other people, change for changes sake, hire and fire, just a huge spinning the wheels of so many people trying to make believe they are doing important stuff, when they are really just fighting each other, office politics, all kinds of subtle games, the values and judgments games, the who will be hosed next games, etc.
But if any hard core logic is operating, WATCH OUT! WORK IS BEING AUTOMATED AND OPTIMIZED OUT OF EXISTENCE AND WORK NO LONGER GENERATES ANY PROFITS FOR THE BOSSES, CONCLUSION: THE END OF WORK, AND MASS POVERTY.
Work is not giving back its costs: the capitalists are right on this, why on earth hire people if they can’t make a profit from their labor ? And how on earth are they going to make a profit from their labor ? but especially what labor, what tasks, what on earth can the workers possibly do to make their bosses gain more money than what they cost ? Very little, this is also structural, there is almost nothing the workers can do to improve their situation: they are redundant, not needed, optimized out of any usefulness, automated and technically rendered obsolete, cost more than what they are “producing” (let alone what they are worth – which I imagine is a big fat zero) and worth even for the poor capitalists, who are supposed to “invest” and “bet on them”.
I must agree although not entirely out of any sort of negative value judgement necessarily. A high percentage of military “lifers” are farm/small town people with limited employment prospects. The military is their route to middle class status.
The military has gotten kind of small to be much of an employment safety valve anymore. Nor does even the present sized force appear to be viable long term, not to mention all the automation in warfare in the pipeline right now.
While [briefly] working aboard a naval auxiliary one of the regular navy sailors asked me, “how can you run this ship with only 130 crew when it had 450 when the navy crewed it?” I responded immediately without having to pause to think at all “because when the navy had it most people were occupied with duties which needn’t have been done at all”. In other words: busy work.
I read the book a long time ago but do recall agreeing with everything said by Harpur. The Gandy & Freke books are much the same, especially “The Laughing Jesus” and “The Jesus Mysteries”. To me it is patently obvious that these desert religions are mythological fiction and I say that to the extent that the notion that are in fact factually or historically accurate is totally unthinkable beyond the realm of plausibility.
Nevertheless, I don’t think that Buddhism is necessarily any better in most of its institutional expressions even if the various schools of buddhism are less bureaucratic. The fact is that fanciful quasi-divine beings such as Kuan Yin are no more believable than the BVM or what have you.
This is not to say that I don’t believe in God. But God is all that I do believe in, not any of the religions which he, she, or “it” purportedly is the founder of in any capacity.
More importantly, what did YOU think of it Mr. Books?
The gas chambers so called, were small and meant for the delousing of clothes. The tourist gas chamber was built after the war – for tourists. Sorry have to call a spade a spade. There weren’t even six million Jews in Nazi held Europe. The half million or so who did die in the camps died from disease mostly. Finally, that famous picuture of the Jews behind the bars is real – but alot of the men weren’t Jews. When Eisenhower talked about the barbarity of the camps, the Jews weren’t even mentioned. Asia, they’re playing with history – and not for the first time.
After we defeated their Enemy in Europe, they promptly told us in Academia and Cinema that we were all Nazis just waiting to happen – like Sarah Palin.
The Jews believe that China is the future. So they are trying to think of ways to insinuate themselves into China and Chinese History as they have with us. That their connection with us is real but the one with China pretty slim does not deter them. Apparently their have been Jewish trading posts in Shanghai from time to time – one back in the 1700’s and also before WW2 at least. Also there are rumors at least of a couple of Temples in far Western China long ago. Pretty slim, but perhaps a begining. If they can just make the Chinese feel sorry for them….
Vlad, I take it that you’re an adherent of the Nazi “master race” theory. Am I right?
Look at what your supposed “master race” wrought in the 1940s. They invaded the USSR. Not very swift was it, invading a vast nation whose resources and population hugely exceeded their own? A bit of a misjudgement wouldn’t you say?
So is Germany, as one of the homelands of this “master race”, composed of nothing but mindless “yes men” witlessly following a goofy looking little crazy man and his idiot schemes?
And look at the result. Ruin and occupation and decades long subjugation. Some master race.
Vlad I say you are a threat because we’ve seen where your way of thinking leads. People don’t learn from history. You say you value Western Civilization and its achievements. But your ideological forebears with their homicidal antics put it in its grave.
By the way, have you given any thought as to what to do with Europe’s cultural treasures? Demographics being destiny and with native Europeans giving up on procreation, giving up on defending their national borders and just generally giving up, we can expect Europe to be repopulated by newcomers convinced of their their own civilizational, cultural and religious worthiness.
So I ask you, with the prospect of cities like Rome becoming the new Istanbuls, with the prospect of leaders like the Pope and their entourage decamping for parts as yet unknown, with the prospect of new leaders redecorating places like St Peter’s basilica to be more in synch with their own religious and cultural norms, what is to be done with age old European artifacts? Just abandon them?
Do I sound as if I’m pointing a finger of blame? Damn right I am. None of this would come to pass if not for the imbecilic actions of people with a supposedly superior genetic inheritance, those jackbooted jackasses.
What do you do if someone blows their monthly allowance on Coke or Meth? Give them more money? That is just rewarding the behavior. Or are you going to provide free or cheap drugs along with the free and cheap rents and salary?
In Brave New World, a cheap euphoriant called Soma was provided. Better a gram than a damn. As Huxley said, reality is something most people can take in only very limited quantities.
Did you think about what I said about Chimps and Bonobos and how a small difference in genotype can create massive difference in phenotype and behavoir?
Come off it Vlad. I’ve worked with numerous Jews whose European relatives were completely wiped out in death camps.
“The gas chambers so called, were small and meant for the delousing of clothes.”
-vlad-
Vlad – I had heard this before, but never given it a second’s thought until right now.
But it’s the middle of a brutal war. Their own (German) soldiers are infested with lice.
Why would they want to treat the clothes of their prisoners, their enemies – if they can’t treat those of their own men?
And if you treated the clothes – only – wouldn’t the lice get right back when the prisoner put them back on?
We all have unexamined assumptions, Vlad.
Even you.
Well, first off, let me say I was a weird little kid who read a lot and had an early interest in history, myth, archaeology and art. So, the first time I saw a picture of Isis suckling Horus, I thought, “Oh, yeah, I get it. Mother, child, Mary, Jesus.” The similarity between philosophies, forms of worship and stories of Mithras, Dionysus, and early Christianity. So, yeah, I tumbled to all that a long time ago. It’s just a wonder it took this guy so long to get around to writing a book. So, I guess the bottom line as to what I thought about the books is “nothing new here.” From my point of view.
I think like history, religions might not repeat, but they rhyme.
Fenton Johnson makes the point in his book the everyone always makes the point of early exchanges between East and West and they natter on about trade goods and technologies and armies. Heck, the Romans and Egyptians had silk, all the way from China, early on. But no one talks much about religions and philosophies. And, what WAS Jesus up to all those silent years. And, what did people do, way back? To entertain themselves and others? They told stories. And, there are only so many stories to tell.
More to say, but I’m going to submit this. Just in case I loose the whole damn thing.
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I didn’t want to accept it at first either, so I was a denier of the vacuity of the western canon just as Herr Krandz is a denier of Zyklon
B manufactured courtesy of IG Farben for the final solution and not for the delousing of clothes. If I can accept the reality of the holocaust and I have a German surname from Hesse then why can’t my fellow Teuton Vlad accept it as well? Perhaps he hates to think that Hindenberg was duped by the little corporal from Austria?
The church has already claimed that the Mediterranean pagan cults prefigured the Christ. This ignores the embarrassing fact that the church falsified the historical record and has also ignored the reality that early church fathers such as Origen and Justin Martyr were not orthodox by contemporary standards, not to mention that early Christians had to be admonished by the Pope to stop worshipping the sun!
Much of the falsified church history pertaining to the reality of Jesus was manufactured by the Jewish turncoat Josephus, who was literally adopted into the imperial family in Rome, the forerunner of Quisling who sold out his native country of Norway to the Nazis during the second world war.
I was wondering who Riki Tiki Tavi was. Thank you, RT!! We appreciate the support. And you and lbendet keep your CFN posts rolling. I always try to read what both of you have to say. And if I don’t get to it every time I apologize in advance, but you know how farm life can be.
Cheers.
Well after your hate filled post yesterday, I realize there’s absolutely no talking with you at all. I’m not going to answer your points since you never answer mine. I’ll just hammer away like you do: Do you really belive that any American or Englishman would have fought that war if they had known what their Leaders intended to do? To make Whites second class citizens? To raise up Negroes and Muslims over us? To ship our jobs to the Third World? To overrun our borders with Non-White aliens? To debase our currencies and make us de facto slaves while the Banks wax fat on our blood? Because if you do, you’re crazy.
Btw, the Nazis knew about some of this and tried to warn us. But even they would have been amazed at what has actually been done and the extent and speed of it. Whites will be a minority in their own Nations in less than 50 years. That’s your victory over evil. What a fucking joke.
Whatever their sins (many) the Nazis would not have ended us as the Power behind FDR, Churchill, and Stalin clearly indended and intend to do.
I was wrong about one thing though: you are no gentleman. You only give the appearance of being one. You see a gentleman cares about the Truth regardless of whether it benefits him personally or makes him look good. You only care about what makes you look good – namely mutli-racialism. And for the rest of us who don’t subscribe to it, why we can go die and do it quickly. As I said before, look in the mirror and see the ruthless man therein. Don’t project your quality onto me – I never wished you and yours any harm.
And as for your idea that Multi-Racialism can sustain Western Civilization – it’s just insane. No proof or precedent for such a thing exists; all proof and precedent dictate the opposite.
Hey asshole, tens of millions of Whites were killed in Russia and the Ukraine by Communism – largely Jewish lead. Why don’t you care about them? Too White for you?
And lots of people died in the camps, but where they all killed? After the allies bombed the railroads, all of Europe was starving. The starving prisoners had little resistance to the Typhus that errupted.
German atrocities? No doubt. Just like the atrocities perpetrated by the Allies such as Dresden, the Katyn Forest, and the massive campaign of rape ordered by the Russian High Command.
Ozone –
Real nice post about the hopelessness of life for our children in the future. (Now, that there’s a stem-winder of an oxymoron – I tell you whut!)
But seriously, a great post. I have those thoughts myself, from time to time.
And a great rejoinder to you on the topic from Hancock, as well.
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I don’t know if it is my age that makes we view the future darkly – or if the future really is as dark as it sometimes looks for humanity.
And with respect to age – I’m cracking through what is euphemistically referred to as “middle age” at an alarmingly rapid clip.
– They say that if you’re 60 years old, that you can only be called “middle aged” if you plan to live to be 120 – heh,heh
So maybe it is just age. As Vlad said recently – God lets us live long, but only so long, because to live too long is to lose all hope.
Sometimes, when I look at very young people, a brief shadow will flit across my mind – like looking into a completely bottomless well – a strange, eerie, and hopeless feeling. And it’s a feeling that I don’t ever want to feel or project when I’m around my younger family members or close friends – if they aren’t equipped to handle the idea.
So I’ve become very careful to disengage myself from CFN (and other similar literature and discussions) several hours prior to family celebrations – for one thing.
But with you bastards on CFN – it’s a different matter. Bring on the despair and we’ll figure out a way to deal with it – Maybe even together.
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On a tangental note – Marlin, who do we have for Secretary of Defense. I’d like to nominate RippedThunder and BubbleHeadMarc as co-chairs.
From what I’ve seen – of the posters on CFN –
– If there ever was trouble, I’d be willing to head out into it if I had to – but maybe just a couple of steps behind those two, if that could be arranged. –
intended as a sincere compliment, boys
hope it comes across that way
Well I suppose the conditions in the camps were worse than outside being cramped and all. Why indeed? Anne Frank’s father chose to flee with the Germans who held him prisoner rather than wait for the Russian Liberators who were killing everything that moved. Maybe the Germans weren’t always as brutal as they have been portrayed? Maybe you’ve been sold a bill of goods by their enemies – who happen to own Hollywood. Or is that another thing that’s verboten to talk about and we have to pretend we don’t know? Do you ever get tired of pretending Prog? Did you google Rape Capital of the World yet? I know it’s alot of work or is that you just don’t want to admit anything more?
Your point about the clothes doesn’t make sense to me. In any case, the delousing chambers was probably meant to be just one element in the total hygiene program. The whole thing broke down at the end.
Soooo…do I believe there was a historic guy named Jesus? Yup. I think I have said before that I just don’t think you have all that smoke, without a little bit of fire in the Middle East around the year 1. Miracles, resurrection, Son of God? Don’t know, probably never will know. I’ll just keep an open mind on that one.
The author of “Pagan Christ” kept nattering on about how well documented that period was. I beg to differ. There are even gaps in our knowledge about the Emperors. Even worse for the women. I read a recent biography of Livia, Augustus’ wife. Huge gaps. “Well, we THINK she spent a great deal of time, outside of Rome, traveling with Augustus. Because Tiberius mentions ONCE that she traveled to the east and west.” Pilate? One little slap of marble from Caesarea. Sure, he’s mentioned in documents which are copies of copies of copies, from years after the fact.
I’ll be happy when they finally get around to finding the Roman Library from the Villa of the Papyri in Herculaneum. Since the villa (may have) belonged to Julius Caesar’s father-in-law, Piso, there may be some interesting little gems, there.
I agree with the author that the Church in the 3d and 4th century really fucked up by destroying so much “pagan” material. Cut off it’s nose to spite it’s face. There’s an interesting film called “Alexandria” if you can find it. A fictionalized account of the sacking and burning of the library in Alexandria. And, the murder of Hypatia. BUT THEY DID’T GET IT ALL. Interesting things have come out of Egypt, and will continue to do so. The other day I saw that they estimate only 2% of what’s there has been excavated.
But, unfortunately, time is running out. Things are running down. Money is running out. I sometimes wonder if I’ll get to see the final volume of JHK’s “World Made By Hand” or the conclusion to Michael Greer’s on-line novel, “Stars Reach.”
So this is (some of) what rattles through my brain as I read “Pagan Christ.”
Oh, and a couple of other things ….
I’ve always thought it weird that nowhere in the New Testament is the city of Sepphoris, mentioned. The capitol of Galilee, an hours walk from Nazareth. Maybe that’s where the lost years of Jesus went. Straight into the flesh pots of Sepphoris. 🙂
In about 1940 an undisturbed family tomb was found near Jerusalem. It appears to be the tomb of Simon of Cyrene, the guy who was drafted into carrying the cross. For one reason and another, no big deal was made of the discovery at that time. But it was brought back to prominence, lately, as it is a stones throw from the “Family Tomb of Jesus.” Odd juxtaposition, that.
All in all, I think that the Church’s response to Paganism was basically a matter of power, control and a pissing contest. Kind of like what we see on the Net. 🙂
Oh! And somewhere I read that some of the early Church fathers had a more liberal view of the Apocryphal Gospels. They felt, while not part of the cannon, they were edifying, educational and valuable for the faithful to read.
Of course, later on that all changed. If only those cooler heads had prevailed.
That album [and any of Ginsberg] may be worth $.
I heard the song on the radio[?]:
‘MY NAME IS HENRY KISSINGER
IM THE LEADER OF THE BAND
CAMBODIA
VIETNAM
MY NAME IS HENRY KISSINGER…ETC’
May have been on the all too eerily named..
‘BEER CANS ON THE MOON’…………….
EDS solo album.
‘All sorts of sick shit goes on in the navy.’
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The above gives me the chance to tell my only Navy anecdote. I hope it’s not just some old oft-told tale amongst seamen that I somehow think is original but…
After finishing high school in June ’58 I went straight to college that Sept. My best friend, RAA, went straight into the Navy. We kept in touch the old fashioned way, by pen and ink (there was, of course, no email).
One of RAA’s letters sent me into side-splitting laughter. He told me they had a “Phantom Shitter” aboard ship. Every day a large load would be left in a cleverly unique place to be discovered by some unsuspecting sailor. Usually the dump had been deposited hours earlier so it had thoroughly cooled by the time discovered but on occasion it was fresh enough to have steam coming off it.
Apparently (and I say “apparently” since never having been a deck hand I can only go by what I read) certain ropes (lines?) when not in use are neatly coiled on the decks surface and some sort of cover is placed over the coil. When needed, the cover is thrown off and the swabby grabs for the rope, etc etc. In one of the early Phantom Shitter incidents a cover was thrown off and there in the very center of the coil was a large pile of shit.
Each day a new load would be found … on the pillow in someone’s bunk, on a mess hall dinner plate, on the ship’s main compass, etc. The perpetrator and how he was able to accomplish his prank without being caught in the act was the constant subject of conversation amongst the crew.
The one that sent me into gales of laughter though was the administrative nerd showing up for his shift, removing the cover of his typewriter and finding a steaming pile pressed firmly into the keys.
That image stayed with me for decades. The shear effrontery of it. I cannot tell you how many hours during the later years of my working career I daydreamed of taking a gigantic dump on the computer keyboard of my detested boss, TCR, for him to find first thing some sunny morning.
But look how standards have been lowered for entrance into those 2 institutions, with predictable results.
The Ft Hood massacre………..yikes..
And B Hussein Obamas ‘Let us not rush to Judgement’ sound bite…
What a pathetic traitor he is.
My Dad helped liberate Buchenwald. (Funny, the spell checker doesn’t recognize it.) All true.
The treasures of Europe? They will be destroyed, like the Buddhas in Afghanistan. Or, ransomed off a piece at a time.
“What a curious thing to witness on an Internet chat site. Two individuals (mostly) rationally discussing the issues over the long term, which influences each ideological position towards a deeper understanding on both sides.
In a country run as madly insane as 1931 Weimar, this is no small feat and we should enjoy it for a moment.”
-Hancock1863-
Hancock – it really is an amazing thing. I’ve thought about it – but you put it into writing for the both of us. Thanks.
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In the same exact vein – I really have come along on the conspiracy idea. There is something out there – not as dramatic as some say (my opinion, still).
But neither are things as benign as most Americans think.
So you and I need to do some more work on the conspiracy ideas. And I’m not just saying that to hold a carrot in front of your nose in hopes that you’ll keep posting to CFN next week. Although I do hope that it has that effect.
You’re hung up on a cold turkey/binge CFN cycle.
Moderation is the key, my lad.
Or you could post once next week and then look for ONE reply from me for the week @ 10:53 next Sunday night, or whatever. Just as a suggestion?
LOL. It is suspected that those references to Jesus in Josephus were later additions by busy little monks. Copying, copying, copying. Got to make a good story, better!
I think it was last week I mentioned that perhaps the “Q” document, wasn’t a document, but a person. The author of “Pagan Christ” mentions several early Church traditions that Jesus died an old man in his own bed. If so, perhaps HE was the “Q” document.
Silly 🙂 Riki Tiki Tavi was a mongoose who fought cobras. Children’s book.
“Did you google Rape Capital of the World yet?”
-vlad-
Vlad – yes I did. It’s not going to change the dialog in the States. And some will say the problem in your Rape Capital is poverty or Colonialism or something – not the race of the perpetrators. And you know what – they may be right. You need to occasionally entertain the idea that you, Vlad Krandz of CFN – may not know all of the Truth of the Universe.
You’re never going to get your separate nation for white folks in the formerly United States, for example.
And the sneering racism that you represent in the nation at large IS an impediment to honest pragmatic dialog on immigration policy changes that NEED to happen quickly – before an overpopulated US kills off the rest of the World.
People don’t want to acknowledge what’s right there in front of their faces. And yes, there is a curiously callow element to BHO’s character which is puzzling. Anyone who’s counting on him to get reelected is kidding themselves. It’s beginning to look like another straight Libertarian ballot for me. As much as I’d love to be a good pinko and have everyone taken care of to some extent if forced to choose between freedom and bleating weenyism then freedom will be getting top billing. I’m still shaking my head over the conversion from socialized medicine to mandatory private insurance for all, except of course those who really need it, who have a loophole you could drive a semi tractor trailer rig through loaded down with unused RU-480 abortion pills which moralistic twits refused to prescribe, thereby pushing them beyond their expiration date, namely that the unemployed not only will remain uninsured but cannot be fined either since they have no income. This is kind of like the Obama version of neutral buoyancy as applied to economics in which millions are expected to feel grateful because at least they’re not being further penalized for being unemployed! I would prefer to simply be left alone entirely and without the need to explain why I’m uninsured, especially once the VA cuts off all of the indigent veterans without service connected disability ratings. How about a disability rating for submarine induced shitty personality?
Okay, I’m glad that you read it and I won’t pester you further, but I still think that you’re wallowing in historical romanticism.
The root of my skepticism is the perception that you just can’t trust anyone, least of all these ancient scribes who had never even heard of the concept of plagiarism. It may be okay to be a believer provided that you don’t think you’re the only one who’s got it all figured out but I don’t see how you get to that when you guessed it, you’ve got it all figured out.
I’m about to pull the plug for the rest of the weekend. I’m driving 4.5 hours down and 4.5 hours back to middle south Georgia for a family reunion. I know, I know – the waste, CFN.
But some things have to be done. And these are family who would help me and mine in a SHTF worse case scenario, and we own property down there – so look at it as SHTF insurance, CFN, if that makes you feel better.
Hancock – If you don’t mind, I’m making you my second. If Rocket shows up and starts talking smack after I have TWICE tried to declare a truce – you can cut him off at the knees for me, if you will. I’ve seen you do it – so I know you know how to have fun doing it.
Plus, I wouldn’t mind trying to have a nature/nurture debate later on next week. I’m a nature guy, by inclination – but I understand both sides.
You’re a biologist, so you may enjoy mediating – or you might want to jump into the fray.
See – man, now I’m starting to tempt you. Just have a small drink of CFN next week. You can quit if you want to, you know.
Sincere apologies to all addicts for the analogy.
CFN is addicting, but it ain’t meth.
I’ll check the thread Sunday night, but I probably won’t be able to post again ’till Monday. And I won’t post something unrelated to the NEW weeks topic until Tuesday of next week – in deference to JHK.
And BuckStud – sorry I tried to take your head off over your defense of asoka. You don’t know how many non-pacifist wrangles I had with that guy before you started posting. Asoka is actually starting to grow on me as he prunes off a few of those multitudes into a stable persona. I’ve always said this website needs an HONEST black man – even a racist one who’s moved out of the States would be OK.
Have a great rest of the weekend, ClusterFuckers!
For this fourth of July, and in honor of JHK, I’m thinking of getting myself one of them flaming neck tattoos, and I’m going to have them write Peckerwood on it green letters, What about that?
Actually I don’t have any tattoos, or piercings.
LOL. I enjoy a good roll in historical romanticism. But in my own defense, I must say that anytime I see a “historic” film, I always think everything is way too clean. And, what about the smell? Until recently, all the world reeked to high heaven.
And, no, I don’t think I’ve got it all figured out. Not even a tiny bit of it. But, thanks for the book recommendation. It was very thought provoking.
Here’s an interesting link from 2009. It is about a ghost fleet of tankers east of Singapore. Another indication of how badly things are going that the Powers That Be don’t want you to know about.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1212013/Revealed-The-ghost-fleet-recession-anchored-just-east-Singapore.html
I lifted it from the Michael Greer’s The Arch Druid Report. It was posted by someone who goes by the handle of One of the Remnant.
I returned a post that it reminded me of what we’ve been seeing in the Pacific NW for the past couple of years. Every railroad siding from Portland to Seattle is stuffed with rolling stock. Box cars.
You can see them from different points along Interstate 5. Hundreds and thousands of boxcars. Mile after mile. Many of them are covered in heavy graffiti. Some of it is quit beautiful.
Vlad,
You’re not entitled to anything. Whether you’re white, black, male, female, etc., nobody owes you anything. Not a job, not a piece of bread, not a glass of water, nothing! Get that through your head. The days of white racist privilege, rape and pillage, are over. And if you continue with that white privilege nonsense, as I said to you before, you will simply be erased. Mark my words. You better shape up, because where you’re headed is a sure path to extinction.
“There are no examples of industrial economies surviving chronic shortfalls of key commodities — especially ones that have no readily available substitutes. Quite the opposite: we have the stunning example of the USSR, where the peak in domestic crude oil production precipitated a financial collapse and a political dissolution just a few years later, events which were followed by a severe and prolonged economic decline. It was only by integrating with the global economy, which had plentiful resources at the time, that the Russian economy was able to recover. No such rescues will be available when the shortfalls become global.”
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/
Hey asshole, tens of millions of Whites were killed in Russia and the Ukraine by Communism
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And 10 times more if not a 100 times more would have been killed by the Nazis. There would have been no Ukrainians or Russians or Czech or Polish, etc., today had the Nazis won. These peoples were all destined for death by the Nazis.
ASoka says, “I get the feeling that Loftus is focusing on teaching women, once again, to prevent their own rapes. ”
Jumping in here, I personally don’t see a problem with this. Someone may survey the situation and see a serious lack of female education in rape prevention. I do.
Rapists are a personality type. Rapists drop clues. Rapists can be profiled. Yet I don’t see any “guide to sniffing out rapists”. Do you?
Women do exercise a discipline of rape avoidance and education, but it is polyglot and imprecise. I think it has something to do with their disinclination toward self-preservation, or perhaps their distrust of deductive analysis.
They trust their friends, glossy magazines, gossip networks and ‘intution’ more often than not.
It is also possible that, given rape was a universal and widespread thing in our collective reproductive history, that, to some extent, the rapability of a woman confers reproductive advantage, genetically. There was an isolated tribe in SE Asia, where the females could be induced into a trance state by simply frightening them. This trance state is characterized by a lack of memory during the trance and complete compliance and submission. PC sensibility might fail to mention what happens next in the hands of some men. Certainly we all know what happens.
Similarly, many, many women are in trances all over the world. If rape was something that happened to men, men would self-educate, they would rationally break down perpetrator attributes, identify threats and situations, and never lapse into a victim mentality of helplessness.
I’m not criticizing women for being what they are, I am pointing out that they could be better educated. Many women are naive and gullible. The mass hysteria of “take back the night” events does little more than scare women and engender an unfocused distrust which produces stress instead of empowerment. All this does is make a bitch jumpy. And lets not get started about the project to browbeat men into making glossy statements against rape lest we encourage the stupid sentiment that men are responsible for solving this problem.
I think that women need to understand that all men are sexual beings with sexual drives, first and foremost, regardless of their relationship status or social position. Second, they need to be able to understand their own motivations and behaviors which drive them to put themselves in situations detrimental to their own self-preservation.
Third, they need to be able to evaluate a person’s character. This seems to be a severely degraded ability. Again, the possibility of nondiscrimination being an evolutionary-selected trait can’t be ignored. But certainly in-born traits can be ameliorated with training to some degree.
A society that wanted to raise a generation of women with a higher consciousness would role-play scenarios starting in the middle school years. Identifying suspect male interests, how to negotiate perpetrator manipulations in verbal exchanges, identifying appropriate physical contact, and basic facts, statistics, and probabilities in order to enhance awareness. All this bullshit about trying to teach general strategies like “assertiveness” or “awareness” proscribe pre-emptive attitudes and not specific strategic goals.
And likewise, for boys, an honest and thorough-going project of raising their self-esteem through an education of the male gender as a significant marker of pride and worth, incorporating sexuality as a positive, central life experience.
Primary school should be rescued from an indoctrination model of dominant mythologies which produce generations of subservient chattel citizenry without self-esteem or spiritual sense of self-worth. Without some project of this kind, its hard to see women and men being raised to be anything other than worthless sluts and worthless grunts, respectively, to be reduced in the acid-vat of “inevitable Globalism” to their strictly economic value: a smear of red ink on a balance sheet.
There is something to the theory that rape is a merry-go-round. Our culture is a raping one; it was built on the inequity of brutal seizure, and it is legitimized by our financial models of wealth. Everybody knows, in some form, the spiritual, physical, or economic rape of being compelled against our will to perform. Men will talk about “taking it up the ass” as an euphemism for any range of socially-perpetrated injustices. We talk about the rape of the environment, or the bankers raping the fed, the fed raping us. Everyone is basically complicit in the silence toward prison rape, and there is much sadistic celebration of the same as a clearly justifiable kind of punishment. In the same way that there remains the possibility of another Auschwitz in the existence of factory-farm slaughterhouses, there remains the problem of rape in our society that exists as long as it acts as a vampire bat on the neck of the biosphere.
America rapes preemptively. It is commonly stated, for instance, that if we don’t get ’em first, they will get us. We are paranoid about our national sphincter and its vulnerability. It is a foil for our lack of confidence. That lack of confidence has made us subservient to a system which suppresses our will and makes it easy for the ruling class, corporations, and politicians to manipulate us. We are not as sheepish as we appear; it is only because we are fleeced that we act the way we do.
LLB says, “Besides, the other night I pulled a copy of “One Straw Revolution” out of a box… It’s a permaculture thing. ”
I would not say that OSR or Fukuoka is in any way a Permaculture thing. PC could co-opt Fukuoka’s natural farming as one of its systems, but not the other way around.
Fukuoka’s thesis is that control of nature is futile and counterproductive; an antithesis of permaculture’s “design and engineer” DNA. Fukuokan philosophy and approach developed in an place of vigorous, resilient biology, a world of less than 3 billion people and Global Warming nowhere on the horizon. Today the reach for permaculture is just an indicator that we live in a degraded, threatened ecology. Hubris.
I don’t knpw why I’m posting on a Saturday night when not many are gonna read this, but it’s been raining and gloomy the past couple of days, and my mood seems to fluctuate according to the weather. I’ve been too busy this week to stay on-line much, but after reading some posts, I want to comment.
I am sooooooooooooooooooooo tired of this racial/Jewish etc. thing.
Q’s “phantom shitter” anecdote is such a great metaphor for what goes on here in CFN much of the time. Here I am happily reading some very interesting posts in some very interesting threads, then Vlad sneaks in and dumps a huge, steaming, stinking pile of shit into the conversation. The difference is we know, sort of, who Vlad is. It gets so bad sometimes that I swear I can smell the excrement coming through my computer screen.
It’s not worth expending any of my emotional energy on commenting further on the malodorous effluent gushing forth from his mouth.
Since I’m in this current mood, I’ll comment on how surprised I am at how many CFNers are so anti-women. Maybe what you really need is to get laid regularly with either a woman you love or one who strongly physically attracts you or preferably with one who is both. Look toward Bustin as your shining example. In my own experience I see women as these amazing creatures who have it all over men. And no, I’m not pussy-whipped, either, I am pretty independent.
PoC;
BBHMarc and RipThunder already have their own Ministries, Navy and Homeland Security.
Montsegur is Minister of War (Defense), appointed several weeks ago, AWOL of late.
More appointments being made soon for this nascent, ethereal, Internet Nation, CFNation.
Ripthunder, I’ll be headed to the range Wed. at 8:00A if you are interested. I want to sight in those antique Mosins of mine. Might be a good chance for you to bust out that Garand, put some rounds thru it. Let me know. I’m only about 25-30 miles directly south of you.
-Marlin
Bustin, I just mentioned you in my previous post, and you go ahead and unknowingly refute what I just said.
Bustin, I think you miss the point entirely about rape. It is first encumbent on men to not rape women; it should not have to be necessary for women to spent time and energy learning rape avoidance. That it is, shows just how sick and barbarous our civilization is.
BTBill;
Strongly agree on all points, Sir.
-Marlin
What about hoop earlobes?
I was minding my own biz in SovietMonica and saw a guy with ‘silverdollar’ like things in his earlobes. OK
A few minutes later I see a young white guy with hoops in his earlobes…large enough so you could fit silver dollars in em!
That and the huge tatts on women make me wonder!
Oh Yeah, RipT, the Range is in Wallingford, $30 for the whole day. Only drawback is that you’re limited to 100 yards. But that’s about as far as these eyes can see nowadays anyhoo.
-Marlin
asia, those earrings you mention are on the east coast, too.
Its all part of the public freak show that the US has become and which JHK does such a good job documenting.
-Marlin
“Fukuoka’s thesis is that control of nature is futile and counterproductive; an antithesis of permaculture’s “design and engineer” DNA. Fukuokan philosophy and approach developed in an place of vigorous, resilient biology, a world of less than 3 billion people and Global Warming nowhere on the horizon. Today the reach for permaculture is just an indicator that we live in a degraded, threatened ecology. Hubris.”
Reading your eloquent prose, I can’t help but get the feeling that you know what you’re talking about, and then I come across the litmus strip you left laying about unattended.
I would simply invite you to reevaluate your perception of permaculture, because I’ve been intensively practicing it for three seasons now, and this is not at all my perception of the philosophy. I can’t speak for all permaculturalists obviously, but the one idea that sticks so uncomfortably (for a time) in my head about permaculture is the idea of letting go of control. Yes, permaculture is about design-intensive human systems, but good ones are patterned on local ecologies, without the need to understand exactly how and why they work, just that they do, and a knack for objective observation, and they constantly evolve as our perception matures. I can tell you that my experience of it has been a constant honing of that skill set. Nearly every week I go through some sort of mindshift about a certain species I considered a nuisance just the week before. This week was Bahia grass. I can’t stand the stuff. But then a few days ago I was in the orchard and noticed that honeybees, which are a species I’m focused on courting and making comfortable, were collecting pollen from the Bahia seed heads.
Trippticket, you may now move Bahia grass into the ‘pro’ column…damn.
Just like every other fucking “weed”, given enough time. That is, the concept of “weed” in general is entirely a human construct. As an example, the farm owners here HATE chinaberry, have instructed me to kill any I see, but stand in the midst of a felled chinaberry tree in spring and tell me it wasn’t doing more good than harm, and I’ll tell you that you lack even the most rudimentary objective observation skills. I’ll tell you that the constant drip-feed of information and opinion that you are getting from the media has rendered you useless in the effort at a successful planetary makeover. Go sit and watch.
Tell me about another human discipline that is slowly changing people’s minds about how important their idea of “useful and productive” is. And since industrial perception got us into this mess, I can’t think of anything more necessary right now than fundamentally changing damn near everything about the way we view Nature. My uncle spends hours on his knees pulling rattlesnake weed out of his beds, and I’m sauteeing the corms in olive oil and being blown away by the power of its pollinator draw over everything else I planted specifically for that reason. Drives me nuts.
Not to belabor the point, but there is absolutely nothing I’ve ever come across that is even remotely the hubris buster permacultural thought is.
Fukuoka, like Sepp Holzer, another great agronomics reformer in Austria, preceded permaculture, so he can’t be a subset of it by definition. But his philosophy was very permacultural. He was extremely influential on the development of permacultural philosophy. Add Joel Salatin to that list too, and he’s openly embracing the fact that he is a de facto member of the permaculture cadre, because there is an unmistakable power in the philosophy it shares as a worldwide movement with his own. If it makes sense to you, and there are 100,000 tribe members that suddenly know who you are and respect your ways, why wouldn’t you?
I am extremely proud to call myself a permaculturalist, and can only hope that you understand your mistake, both in perception and in using your not insignificant influence on this blog to steer people away from what I consider to be the only “guided mental retooling” that we have to be hopeful about in an energy descent world. Beyond the glimmer of hope that it provides, because that’s about all we realistically have, permaculture is a set of ethics and principles borrowed from natural systems (of which we were once a part, and will become a part of again one day), laid down to help us steer our way through a contractionary world. Nothing more. If we are in a contractionary pattern (as I believe we are) then we will use permacultural thought to achieve success. Though what you call it is a secondary matter.
Just my 93.4 cents.
“Its all part of the public freak show that the US has become and which JHK does such a good job documenting.”
From where I sit, it’s a lot more rewarding to actually be different than to just look like you are, to just be another poseur, to borrow a favorite descriptive label from a friend of mine;)
Thanks, Tripp! I was hoping you’d chime in. One of the things I like about “One Straw Revolution” is that even though I know I won’t be growing rice or tangerines, the concepts are very easy to grasp and adapt to my particular part of the world.
It’s more a way of looking at things. Of thinking about things. I may try a little patch of dry land rice. I do love my rice and would hate to loose it in The Long Emergency.
I also really liked the little drawings in the book. Very cool.
Asia, what’s with all the capital letters and punctuation marks? You’re confusing me.
“It’s more a way of looking at things. Of thinking about things.”
You nailed it. It’s not a prescriptive system. Quite the opposite actually. Permaculture is merely a set of ethics and principles that guide your decision making processes through a set of contractionary selection pressures.
Observe and Interact With Nature
Capture and Store Energy
Obtain a Yield
Use Small and Slow Solutions
Etc
In the growth world it was actually adaptive to spend a greater quantity of energy to capture a lesser amount of energy (a perfect example is the fact that every calorie of food energy produced in the industrial model costs about 10 calories of fossil energy to produce, but that worked when there was plenty of cheap abundant energy. It was adaptive.) Therefore the idea of capturing and storing an actual net gain of energy, in that context, was backwards and maladaptive. Until global energy peak.
In a contractionary world, that just won’t work. Our accounting systems will ultimately have to show a net gain of energy to be adaptive, and it won’t matter one iota what any analyst has to say on the matter. If the practice doesn’t harvest energy it won’t stand the test of time. Ethanol is a perfect example. Ethanol is a joke, ethanol represents a net loss of energy, and contractionary realities will bear that out eventually. I don’t have any doubt about that, so I don’t concern myself with ethanol. I intentionally avoid buying it, that’s where our real power lies, but I don’t have anything else to say about it. The only bumper stickers on my car say “Vote With Your Fork” and “We All Live Downstream”. Again, the concepts can be extrapolated to apply to anything that actually matters. ‘Nuff said.
If people don’t understand that I’d say there is a darn fine chance that they are still living in the expansionary model. Judging by Bustin J’s almost noble demeanor I would imagine he is still part of that pattern. But that doesn’t mean for one second that he understands the other. It’s completely different, and there is absolutely no way to explain it academically. You will only get it when you get there.
Yo, Marc; OK. Here’s my book recommendation. This book is by Christopher Moore. If you haven’t read any Moore, you should. He’s really, really funny. The book I’m going to recommend was my introduction to his work. I saw the title and thought … “This, I have to read.”
“Lamb; The Gospel According to Biff, Christ’s Childhood Pal.” The premise is, the year 2000 is approaching and the Big Guy upstairs decides he wants to mark of occasion with another, new gospel. So, he resurrects Biff to do the job. Biff isn’t too excited with the assignment, so he’s held captive in a sleazy motel in South Miami by a rather ineffectual angel until he produces the goods.
Another of Moore’s that you might enjoy (as it has a kind of nautical theme) is “Fluke.” Mostly takes place around Hawaii. From the back cover: “Just why do humpback whales sing? That’s the question that has marine behavioral biologist Nate Quinn and his crew poking, charting, recording and photographing very big, wet, gray marine mammals. Until the extraordinary day when a whale lifts its tail into the air to display a cryptic message spelled out in foot-high letters: Bite Me.”
Most endearing character? Kona (AKA Preston Applebaum of New Jersey), suffer dude and pilot for the Rastafarian Air Force. If you get my drift. If not, stand down wind and breath deep. 🙂
Yes! But 2 sets in less than an hour or 2..yikes..
Huge holes in ones Earlobes.
Mr Greenthumbs,
Yr confusing me!
Fukakaowa, Comfrey mulch,Chinaberry Trees
I must be in a similar mood. I agree with your take on racialist perspectives & female negativity here on CFN.
I notice quite a bit of faulty cause and effect thinking. But, since it is not possible to put in place a double blind study in order to refute this thinking, I just let it pass.
There are always instances from peoples experiences that cloud thinking and it is nearly always possible to find “experts” that support ones assertions. Or, evidence can be gleaned about how some group of people have acted so that a net can be cast over the whole group.
Of course Prog, it’s White peoples fault when Blacks attack, rape, and kill us. You see this is why we want to get away from them and their White Enablers – You and those like you.
Black Men rape 15,000 – 30,000 White Women every year in America since the 1970’s. The average White Male rape of Black Women is less than 10.
Lao Tzu said that the useful gets cut down or killed. This ties in someplace. The Inuit told the Missionaries they didn’t like being called sheep or a flock. They explained the only time they herded anything was before they slaughtered them.
I am impressed by your charity to Bustin – who immediately challenged you the first week or so he was here. Trying to get your spot as our spiritual director I imagine. Nothing wrong with it – in nature one Ram fights another for dominance. You held him off, cut him with an upper cut or two.
Although I find much to scorn in such hateful attitudes, the problem I have with these posters is that they are doing it here, a SHTF/peak oil/dwindling resources/survival site.
As far as their message goes, well, hate has always been spread around to gullible people everywhere, this is nothing new. It’s just that I don’t want to see such claptrap when I’m on my favorite blog.
Many neo-nazi sites to read and post in are in the blogosphere, why pick this one? I also liken these nazi postings to an infestation of cockroaches or rats (yes, both have been good at survival). I wonder why JHK hasn’t banned them. What do you think the reason is?
Asoka emailed me this evening and asked that I say goodbye to the CFN for him. He has apparently been banned from posting (for whatever reason) and doesn’t wish to change handles in order to come back.
He said to tell everyone that he was not ignoring your comments, only that he couldn’t log in to reply. He says thank you to everyone for your graciousness, and that he has enjoyed his time at CFN. And he wishes you all the best.
Farewell, Asoka! You are already missed.
Tripp out.
I will post this announcement again early in the week for those who lose interest as the week waxes.
for those who lose interest as the week waxes.
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wanes
to draw to a close; approach an end: Summer is waning.
I’m speechless!
Oh..saw one on a white guy…
Never seen anyone inked like this:
HORNS ABOVE HIS EYEBROWS…[SINCE HE CANT INK ABOVE HIS HEAD]…A Satan Look!
Imagine having horns tattooed on yr face!
It’s probably just a glitch in the program as it connects to his computer. Asoka often jumps to paranoid conclusions like this.
Asoka … has apparently been banned from posting (for whatever reason)
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Call me skeptical but if true there goes everyone’s favorite foil*.
*a person or thing that gives contrast to another
I’m speechless!
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Did your jaw literally drop or did it just drop figuratively?
😉
TRIPP!
You’ve gotta be friggin kidding! Asoka!?? BANNED?? Who’ll be my next punching bag? It ain’t fair, and NO! It can’t be true! We were gonna be neighbors in Equador! JFC! Tripp, you ain’t joshin, are ya? Whose gonna spar with Vlad and Q (not to mention Progressor)? PLEASE say it ain’t so! Spanked? yes…and well deserved…but BANNED! Why was he banned when he’s supposed to be mine! Play all my records, keep dancing all night, but leave me alone for awhile. Till Asoka’s sparing with me, I’ve got no reason to smile. You would cry too if it happened to you! (sniffle…)
And now it’s Digby’s turn to cry!
Maybe….(sniffled)…maybe he can get back in the same way that Liljim, Bigjim…(christ I can’t remember them all…) could. Oh, lord, JUST LET ME CRY!
And just a thought….Asoka first……who’ll be next??? JFK may be on the rampage, ya’ll. Oh please, don’t let me be next! (personal to Jackie…I think I love you!) sigh………….
I see that Obama is considering another round of quantitative easing—-QE 3.
The US government seems to have collectively “lost it.” Big belly TSA agents with crew cut haircuts searching 75 year old men in wheelchairs.
I’m doing my US taxes today. (Overseas taxpayers get an automatic 2-month extension.)
Line 10a of the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion Form 2555 EZ asks if I have ever filled out this form since 1981. That’s 30 years ago!
Line 39a of Form 1040 asks me to check the box if I’m “blind”.
Crazy….
No common sense….
Tripp,
How gracious of you to post Asoka’s farewell sentiments. But hey, that’s what friends are for, right?
Digby,
Sorry to see you’re taking Asoka’s departure so painfully. But please save an extra Motrin PM – I don’t think Q is going to sleep well tonight.
Money has come a long way, now currency is not even paper anymore: going digital has turned into numbers.
With the finance collapse of 2008 the competence of central banks that are supposed to manage national currencies has been called into question.
The intrinsic value of a currency depends more on the willingness of pretending that it is worth something, on the official relation with other currency, on the reliability of the bank that issues it.
The financial meltdown has shown how fragile can be a number written on a computer, especially how fragile and worthless ( and criminal) are the banks behind.
Private currencies are coming into the scene, because, while having no more reliability than the official ones, at least they offer new and valuable advantages, first of them being the NON Traceability of transactions.
Though bitcoins are magicked out of nothing (but so is the official currency) as long as many people are happy to accept them as payment for goods and services, they are worth the same.
Instead of pretending that the dollar is worth something, you can pretend that bitcoins are worth the same.
The private currency is protected by inflation by using computational complexity to keep it artificially scarce.
You can evade taxes, you can buy drugs, you can do illegal transactions, because it is digital money, it is numbers and the owner is xy or ab.
Private digital money goes back to what money was created for: it is anything two parties can agree on as a medium for the exchange of goods and services.
Money is nothing else than a promise to give something in exchange of its nominal value.
Private digital money is the proof that we can live without banks and probably much better.
That is why it has so many and so powerful enemies.
My time grows short. Asoka balanced me out like Blacky balanced out Caspar. Without him, I will burn up in a pure flame or break up like an engine too powerful for it’s block. The beings who sent me are calling me back to non being. Like the Siddha Ramalingam said before he disappeared: I opened a shop but had few customers so soon I will close it. I will be near but none will see me.
Uh oh, little Nancy, another spelling error! find the error game again, oh what fun, go for it man, go man, go!
And then copy it all and give it to a guy called Ben Bernanke at a place called the Federal Reserve, tell him to print trillions of dollars and throw them off a helicopter all across the USA (and EU and JAPAN while he’s at it!), he will understand, tell him all the secret formulas have failed, there is no innovation, education, hidden hand of the market, you name it that will magically create jobs, that are not needed and not even worth it from the outset. And ask him what to do with 15 million empty homes all across the USA and 20 million empty homes all across Europe, from Lisbon to Moscow, after all they did all the right things, they built homes, a basic necessity, they were good little girls and boys, so what gives, why isn’t anything good coming out of it ?
Also, vlad, the Right Wing Thugs always personalize the problems, the thug that is drugged, the black that robs, they always want you to believe tht it is individual people that are bad, and not that the structure of the system, the large scale Macro Economic Machine is what really determines all, and this is created by design and intention, there is a social class that benefits hugely by having millions unemployed and high health care costs and home rents and prices high, etc.
Also, even work no longer profits from being hired, since the pay is so low, you can’t even rent your own place, why on earth even work ? Just stay at home and watch TV. So you see, both the bosses and the workers no longer gain anything anymore in a system where only the property owners and banks and health care theives, etc. high level capitalists hog everything up.
So Work no longer generates profits, Working no longer is even worth it, and work is being eliminated and automated out of existence anyways. Good luck with that.
Profit from Work ?
Work Doesn’t Generate Profits Anymore
If there is any real logic operating in the “economy” (which I doubt), if there is any cause and effect, any common sense operating, if there is anything real behind it, then we are really in trouble. We can only hope in the usual quirks, random way that the forces engaged play out, that companies just decide to hire for the fun of it (inventing all kinds of whacky job tasks, but that is ok, that has been going on for decades now), that all of a sudden an assignment language assigns as important a whole bunch of items and tasks that were previously not even on the radar, so as to hire the unemployed etc. Otherwise, the USA, EU and JAPAN will simply slowly but surely go down the drain one way or the other, no matter what anyone wants or thinks or tries to figure out.
And why is this ? Well, aside from the very real and powerful Macro Economic Trend of the Technological Economy eliminating jobs automatically, no matter what, because it uses computers, software, optimizations, robots, globalizations, and can make any factory in any hidden corner of Latin America, Africa or Asia churn out almost any item with people working for 200 dollars a month (which, strangely compared to the western salaries is actually quite high, they are actually making a lot more money than their western factory workers, given that in the west they give you 800 dollars a month, but just the rent can cost you more than 1,000 dollars a month, you get – 200 dollars a month, at least in 3rd world countries, they give you even zero (no need to even pay, free work, no need to pay them, just give them a room and some food, many in the West would love something like that, and they would readily work for free, who cares!) but 3 hots and a cot for free and you would still be way ahead of any western worker, go figure), you have another very powerful and real Macro Economic Trend going on: Work or Labor no longer generates a profit for the Bosses, for the Capitalists, for the Small or Big Businesses, for the Entrepreneurs.
Work is not giving back its costs: the capitalists are right on this, why on earth hire people if they can’t make a profit from their labor ? And how on earth are they going to make a profit from their labor ? but especially what labor, what tasks, what on earth can the workers possibly do to make their bosses gain more money than what they cost ? Very little, this is also structural, there is amost nothing the workers can do to improve their situation: they are redundant, not needed, optimized out of any usefulness, automated and technically rendered obsolete, cost more than what they are “producing” (let alone what they are worth – which I imagine is a big fat zero) and worth even for the poor capitalists, who are supposed to “invest” and “bet on them”.
What activity can the poor capitalists make the worker perform, for 8 hours a day, eveyday, what manipulations for every minute for 8 hours, what physical or informational transformations and manipulations can the worker perform that will make the money being paid for the worker be paid back with at least some profit ? I have a hard time imagining what, honestly. And this is the problem:
Work doesn’t generate Profits anymore, the old rules no longer apply, people are simply a cost, are a pain in the ass, are useless and redundant and still think that they are needed. And even if some types are needed, they are far and in between, maybe some specialized machine shop guys, some technological guys, some other things, maybe a few hundred or thousand of these types at most, it won’t make a dent in the millions of jobs needed in the USA, EU and JAPAN. No wonder everyone is in “punishment mode”, the capitalists are always saying that workers are not “productive enough” or “innovative enough” or “competitive enough” (even they don’t know why workers have become such huge useless turds), everyone is pissed off at everyone else, everyone is hating on everyone else: they are all frustrated because they sense how useless they have all become, how useless their “skills” or “work potential” really is, they know they can’t sell anything of value to anyone no matter what, that is why everyone wants to fire everyone else, wants to call everyone else a freeloader, lazy and not deserving. They know that there is very little left to really sell other people, you can only sell so much BS and so many fairy tales to people until they see through all of them (like education) and discover that it is all a scam.
So what is the solution ? Free Salaries, Cheap Rents, governments must take this problem in their hands and force a solution, there is no other hidden hand of the market, no magic, no tax cuts that will change any of this. No innovation, no research and development that will “create jobs” (in fact research and development have been killing jobs for decades now, go figure), etc.
Another solution is to drastically cut the fixed external costs people have: since you won’t be able to expect a salary of more than 800 dollars a month in the future, since nothing you do can possibly be worth much more, then the external, independent variable costs like housing rents and prices of houses must be slashed violently: rents of 100 to 200 dollars a month at most, homes costing not more than 50,000 dollars all across and the same for all 3 developed regions of the world USA, EU and JAPAN. And same for health care, dentists and doctors have to ask for 5 and 10 dollars for services, colleges and schools have to cut their prices by the boatloads, etc. Cut all of the external costs, the independent variable costs big time, that is the only solution.
Of course, none of this will be done, no logic operates, nothing of the above is true for a simple reason: the system has no rules, there are no common sense patterns, the system is a total chaotic random quirk, and it all may play out perfectly all the same, after all 90 % of the USA workers are still working (not producing anything at all but that is ok) most work is just fighting other people, change for changes sake, hire and fire, just a huge spinning the wheels of so many people trying to make believe they are doing important stuff, when they are really just fighting each other, office politics, all kinds of subtle games, the values and judgments games, the who will be hosed next games, etc.
But if any hard core logic is operating, WATCH OUT! WORK IS BEING AUTOMATED AND OPTIMIZED OUT OF EXISTENCE AND WORK NO LONGER GENERATES ANY PROFITS FOR THE BOSSES, CONCLUSION: THE END OF WORK, AND MASS POVERTY.
It’s common knowledge that weeds are more nutritious than domesticated vegetables.
It’s not going to be excruciatingly sunny and uplifting is it? If there’s one thing I can’t abide it’s uplift or anything heartwarming, life-affirming, or relentlessly positive. Of course Aleister Crowley had contact with a being from the Pleiades called “Lam”, so maybe it’s not that bad after all since “Lamb” sounds like “Lam”.
i will give you credit for one great accomplishment Mr. Spider and that is this: you most certainly do not suffer from excessive uplift or positive thinking and that is something indeed.
and finally, to the Republican ignoranti Bachman and Palin: it’s THE REDCOATS ARE COMING not “the British are coming”. The fucking colonists WERE BRITISH still at that point. Just like George Washington WASN’T BORN IN THE USA, he was born in the crown colony of Virginia. But as Leonard Pitts points out in his recent essay NOBODY knows history anymore so what the hell?
http://dailyreckoning.com/our-economic-future-from-best-to-worst-case%e2%80%a8/
I wonder what the consensus around here is on these two statements?
When I read into the first one I get the impression the author believes infinite economic growth can be achieved if only we were to implement the correct economic theories. In other words I think the author believes that the world is powered by money rather than energy and that if only we had sound money then we can have infinite economic growth.
I believe that net energy is in terminal decline and nothing will reverse the trend of declining net energy. The past 150 years of persistent economic growth was entirely attributable to the high EROEI of crude oil, NG and coal. Our “technologically advanced” civilization has advanced beyond our capacity to produce excess energy and will necessarily decline.
The second statement is probably the least understood by all camps from the “we will muddle through” scenario as best case to “dieoff” as worst case and everything in between.
I believe that technology consumes energy and has lagged excess energy production. I get the impression that many have been led to a false assumption that technology produces energy. I believe that net technology will decline along with net energy. Technology could continue to advance in a world of declining energy because of greater efficiencies but that would require a reallocation of energy towards the goal of efficiency and we know that isn’t going to happen. Most of our available declining energy base will be spent on sustaining our current inefficient unsustainable status quo predicated on the notion that the world is powered by money. Being able to produce more cars because of efficiencies is not going to achieve the goal of sustaining technological advancement.
Uh oh, another spelling error!go for it little suzy, you can do it!, go man go, and bring it to the FED, good little girl!
From:
http://kunstler.com/blog/2011/06/the-creeping-nausea-of-american-exceptionalism.html
From:
http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=22324&st=150
Uh oh, little Nancy, another spelling error! find the error game again, oh what fun, go for it man, go man, go!
And then copy it all and give it to a guy called Ben Bernanke at a place called the Federal Reserve, tell him to print trillions of dollars and throw them off a helicopter all across the USA (and EU and JAPAN while he’s at it!), he will understand, tell him all the secret formulas have failed, there is no innovation, education, hidden hand of the market, you name it that will magically create jobs, that are not needed and not even worth it from the outset. And ask him what to do with 15 million empty homes all across the USA and 20 million empty homes all across Europe, from Lisbon to Moscow, after all they did all the right things, they built homes, a basic necessity, they were good little girls and boys, so what gives, why isn’t anything good coming out of it ?
Also, vlad, the Right Wing Thugs always personalize the problems, the thug that is drugged, the black that robs, they always want you to believe tht it is individual people that are bad, and not that the structure of the system, the large scale Macro Economic Machine is what really determines all, and this is created by design and intention, there is a social class that benefits hugely by having millions unemployed and high health care costs and home rents and prices high, etc.
Also, even work no longer profits from being hired, since the pay is so low, you can’t even rent your own place, why on earth even work ? Just stay at home and watch TV. So you see, both the bosses and the workers no longer gain anything anymore in a system where only the property owners and banks and health care thieves, etc. high level capitalists hog everything up.
So Work no longer generates profits, Working no longer is even worth it, and work is being eliminated and automated out of existence anyways. Good luck with that.
Profit from Work ?
Work Doesn’t Generate Profits Anymore
If there is any real logic operating in the “economy” (which I doubt), if there is any cause and effect, any common sense operating, if there is anything real behind it, then we are really in trouble. We can only hope in the usual quirks, random way that the forces engaged play out, that companies just decide to hire for the fun of it (inventing all kinds of whacky job tasks, but that is ok, that has been going on for decades now), that all of a sudden an assignment language assigns as important a whole bunch of items and tasks that were previously not even on the radar, so as to hire the unemployed etc. Otherwise, the USA, EU and JAPAN will simply slowly but surely go down the drain one way or the other, no matter what anyone wants or thinks or tries to figure out.
And why is this ? Well, aside from the very real and powerful Macro Economic Trend of the Technological Economy eliminating jobs automatically, no matter what, because it uses computers, software, optimizations, robots, globalizations, and can make any factory in any hidden corner of Latin America, Africa or Asia churn out almost any item with people working for 200 dollars a month (which, strangely compared to the western salaries is actually quite high, they are actually making a lot more money than their western factory workers, given that in the west they give you 800 dollars a month, but just the rent can cost you more than 1,000 dollars a month, you get – 200 dollars a month, at least in 3rd world countries, they give you even zero (no need to even pay, free work, no need to pay them, just give them a room and some food, many in the West would love something like that, and they would readily work for free, who cares!) but 3 hots and a cot for free and you would still be way ahead of any western worker, go figure), you have another very powerful and real Macro Economic Trend going on: Work or Labor no longer generates a profit for the Bosses, for the Capitalists, for the Small or Big Businesses, for the Entrepreneurs.
Work is not giving back its costs: the capitalists are right on this, why on earth hire people if they can’t make a profit from their labor ? And how on earth are they going to make a profit from their labor ? but especially what labor, what tasks, what on earth can the workers possibly do to make their bosses gain more money than what they cost ? Very little, this is also structural, there is amost nothing the workers can do to improve their situation: they are redundant, not needed, optimized out of any usefulness, automated and technically rendered obsolete, cost more than what they are “producing” (let alone what they are worth – which I imagine is a big fat zero) and worth even for the poor capitalists, who are supposed to “invest” and “bet on them”.
What activity can the poor capitalists make the worker perform, for 8 hours a day, eveyday, what manipulations for every minute for 8 hours, what physical or informational transformations and manipulations can the worker perform that will make the money being paid for the worker be paid back with at least some profit ? I have a hard time imagining what, honestly. And this is the problem:
Work doesn’t generate Profits anymore, the old rules no longer apply, people are simply a cost, are a pain in the ass, are useless and redundant and still think that they are needed. And even if some types are needed, they are far and in between, maybe some specialized machine shop guys, some technological guys, some other things, maybe a few hundred or thousand of these types at most, it won’t make a dent in the millions of jobs needed in the USA, EU and JAPAN. No wonder everyone is in “punishment mode”, the capitalists are always saying that workers are not “productive enough” or “innovative enough” or “competitive enough” (even they don’t know why workers have become such huge useless turds), everyone is pissed off at everyone else, everyone is hating on everyone else: they are all frustrated because they sense how useless they have all become, how useless their “skills” or “work potential” really is, they know they can’t sell anything of value to anyone no matter what, that is why everyone wants to fire everyone else, wants to call everyone else a freeloader, lazy and not deserving. They know that there is very little left to really sell other people, you can only sell so much BS and so many fairy tales to people until they see through all of them (like education) and discover that it is all a scam.
So what is the solution ? Free Salaries, Cheap Rents, governments must take this problem in their hands and force a solution, there is no other hidden hand of the market, no magic, no tax cuts that will change any of this. No innovation, no research and development that will “create jobs” (in fact research and development have been killing jobs for decades now, go figure), etc.
Another solution is to drastically cut the fixed external costs people have: since you won’t be able to expect a salary of more than 800 dollars a month in the future, since nothing you do can possibly be worth much more, then the external, independent variable costs like housing rents and prices of houses must be slashed violently: rents of 100 to 200 dollars a month at most, homes costing not more than 50,000 dollars all across and the same for all 3 developed regions of the world USA, EU and JAPAN. And same for health care, dentists and doctors have to ask for 5 and 10 dollars for services, colleges and schools have to cut their prices by the boatloads, etc. Cut all of the external costs, the independent variable costs big time, that is the only solution.
Of course, none of this will be done, no logic operates, nothing of the above is true for a simple reason: the system has no rules, there are no common sense patterns, the system is a total chaotic random quirk, and it all may play out perfectly all the same, after all 90 % of the USA workers are still working (not producing anything at all but that is ok) most work is just fighting other people, change for changes sake, hire and fire, just a huge spinning the wheels of so many people trying to make believe they are doing important stuff, when they are really just fighting each other, office politics, all kinds of subtle games, the values and judgments games, the who will be hosed next games, etc.
But if any hard core logic is operating, WATCH OUT! WORK IS BEING AUTOMATED AND OPTIMIZED OUT OF EXISTENCE AND WORK NO LONGER GENERATES ANY PROFITS FOR THE BOSSES, CONCLUSION: THE END OF WORK, AND MASS POVERTY.
So you’re comparing us to a blog that your professor writes?
Link to it, please. I’d like to compare also.
Ah, an authentic voice.
Speaking of Henry Kissinger and survival among barbarians-
A while back, I was following one of Tripp’s links, and I came across a youtube of a Vietnamese family who had lived on the same patch of land for 3 centuries.
It was lush and productive.
What???? How the hell did they manage to escape the Agent Orange destruction, the forced marches to the concentration camps (whoops, strategic hamlets), and bombs?
Somehow, these people were in a spot in which the death and destruction going on around them missed them.
But, otherwise, I agree with your wife.
It amazes me when people tell me they are reproducing to make more – take your pick – white children, Christian children, liberal children, etc.
Really? You picture the future as a hell in which religious or ethnic teams are pitched in a violent battle for survival, and your response is to produce children as cannon fodder in that battle?
Bizarre, but common.
Personally, I’m sorry that I had kids who will likely have a very horrible life in the not too distant future. I certainly didn’t realize that when I had them.
On the night my 10 y/o son was possibly concieved, I had a “pillow talk” with his mother. Naturally, she was shocked and frightened at the words that were coming out of my mouth that were describing what I imagine our planned childs future would be like. My sons mother shrieked in similar drama queen fashion, “Why would you want to bring a child into a world like that?”
As common as it may be, even the lowliest of creatures tend to overproduce in anticipation of cyclical events such as droughts, famine, etc. to ensure survival of their species. I would think it to be far more “common” for one to assume that it’s all about “me”. I would think it better for my son to exist in an extremely difficult world than never having existed.
What??? Why would Asoka be banned?
That’s just crazy.
And I hope that if someone here is responsible, that they feel very, very ashamed of themselves.
“wanes
to draw to a close; approach an end: Summer is waning. ”
Depends on how much knit you’re picking that particular week. Many could lose interest before the waning phase;) Wouldn’t you say the conversation here generally waxes until about Wednesday night?
But either way, you’re right. WANES!
I agree that creatures continue to reproduce even when times are bad.
If you have a son though, I’m assuming that you love him fiercely.
It was hard for me to believe that I could love anyone as much as I love my kids, especially when they were nursing babes. I wanted them to have fantastic lives, with never a sad moment. I wanted everyone one they ever met to treat them kindly. I wanted them to be joyful. I still feel that way, although, so far, they have met people who hurt their feelings.
I don’t want them to starve, or be shot by some dumbass soldier, doing his Christian duty to rid the world of heathens. But I’m not so sure that that is not their future.
Damn.
Perhaps, Time will tell.
I see that spideys been dropping his spoor on this trail since the last time I trekked thru!
Personally, I’m sorry that I had kids…
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This might explain why your son never visits, calls or writes anymore.
I disagree with your solution.
If you think that Take Back The Night marches scare women, what would teaching middle schoolers about potential rapists do?
Teaching 12 year olds to distrust half of the population is not a good idea, in my opinion.
As I’ve said before this week, I doubt that the reported numbers of rape are accurate.
Plus, I think that life is better if you trust people than if you don’t.
I agree with you about prison rape. This is a horrible crime, and yet it’s joked about by comedians and others.
And yes, your life can be equally ruined by financial rape.
Maybe we should have middle schoolers role play about when they go to college and have to pass a gauntlet of credit card hustlers and financial aid pushers. Warning!! Beware!!
And why are you calling women bitches again? Did you break up with your girlfriend?
Speaking of financial rape.
Our local news station announced that FEMA is making money available for those who lost their houses in the flood.
The money will be available as loans, at 2.3% interest.
Meanwhile, the Federal Reserve is giving banks money at almost 0% interest.
US taxpayers are funding Homeland Security to the tunes of billions of dollars, and they can’t help people recover their homes and security?
What??? Why would Asoka be banned?
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Jim hired a new blog monitor/moderator who hates commenters that are inconsistent and contradict themselves … a moderator, in short, who is small and contains little.
😉
Yeah, ain’t buying it from this end. And now Vlad “retiring” and basically admitting that Asoka wore the pants in that relationship. No more intercourse for Vlad; he’s only going to watch! What a fucking joke.
Agreed. If true, and not some glitch or system bug, than the ban might be explained by Asoka’s knee jerk reaction to white racialism.
There are differences among races, but there are other factors at play. It’s the nature vs. nurture argument. Shades of grey are more difficult to wrap ones head around than strict us vs. them ideology.
Spider says people should have Free Salaries and Cheap Rents.
I say, why be chintzy? They should have Free Salaries and Free Rents.
If true, and not some glitch or system bug, than the ban might be explained…
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Arrgggh! Groan!
Depends on how much knit you’re picking
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nit·pick?
–verb (used without object)
1. to be excessively concerned with or critical of inconsequential details.
nit
the egg of a parasitic insect, especially of a louse, often attached to a hair or a fiber of clothing.
Um, by the way, what do you mean “shrieked in similar drama queen fashion”?
How is rejecting the idea of bringing a child into a world with deteriorating conditions being a drama queen?
Guess I should have said “humanistic” rather than drama queen. Was a little irked by the common remark, sorry lol.
Someone once said there are two kinds of people in the world, humanistic and analytical. I suspect you of the humanistic variety. If the world was run exclusively by strictly humanistic people there would never be wars. From a strictly analytical perspective all sorts of reasons for wars can be justified.
I’m assuming the second question is rhetorical.
Dimitri Orlov speaks to the children issue in his latest blogspost-
“How can we help? What useful technological legacy can we bequeath to future generations?”
“What if, instead of squandering its remaining resources on lavish parting presents for its ageing rentier class, the current profit-and-growth economic paradigm were to be quietly replaced with the idea that society should serve its children and grandchildren, should any be lucky enough to survive”?
“What can we usefully accomplish in the time remaining before inescapable resource constraints force industrial life-support systems to stop functioning? What technological heirlooms and key pieces of learning could we convey, in the form of a living tradition, to give future generations a chance at surviving the dystopian future we are now working so hard to construct for them?”
You’ve forgotten about my posts to Wage about the Ukrainian woman I worked with who was a survivor of Stalin’s murder of millions of Ukrainians in the 1930s. Unfortunately, while she survived, her family didn’t.
I am fully aware that atrocities were committed by all sides. But who else besides the Nazis proclaimed themselves to be genetically superior, a “Master Race”. Remember Hans Frank? He deemed it his mission to eradicate the Polish people. Mika is right, the Jews were only first in line for extermination.
Vlad I’m trying to point out to you what’s obvious to most everyone else, that the Nazis had peckers in their heads fucking their brains.
So you think I’m an asshole? I take it as a compliment. You don’t want to talk to me? So be it.
I don’t think Asoka is banned and I don’t think there’s a bug. I think he’s just trying to get attention. Tripp, I’m sorry to say this but I think you’ve been used by Asoka with that email crying about being banned and wishing all and sundry the best.
I doubt very much if Asoka has been banned, if he is black, or that he is moving to Latin America.
He’s most likely a 60 year old guy, retired to Arizona, fairly well educated, who has time to f—k around on the internet and gets a kick out of playing the role of agent provocateur on sites like this, that’s all.
More power to him. Let him do what he wants. He’ll be back posting soon enough with one lane alibi or another.
-Marlin
That should read ‘lame alibi’.
-Marlin
San Jose Mom;
How about an on scene report on that massive brawl in the MacDonalds parking lot on Friday, several hundred gang members, half black the other half Mexican, having at each other with pistols, clubs, knives and fists underneath the Golden Arches.
It sounds like a good time was had by all.
-Marlin
I should add, in downtown San Jose.
-Marlin
I missed your anecote before. We had a similar thing on the Polaris submarine which had to do with the manner in which we blew our sanitary tanks outboard using pressurized air. In order to do this all the ball valves on the sinks and toilets had to be closed or raw sewage would be blown into that space through the open valve. Needless to say we had a phantom valve opener with a strong dislike for the ship’s XO [executive officer, or 2nd in command, a lieutenant commander, or the equivalent of a major in the other branches]. Frequently when sanitaries were being blown the XO would get a liberal dose of sewage blown into his tiny stateroom.
Downtown Everywhere
[Sorry Petula Clark]!
Did you see the youtube where the Tranny gets
assaulted in the Ladies room by the Black Girl Gang?
And as far as Asoka goes I too had wondered if he
‘was working us to get a kick’, using TT as his
‘errandboy’.
Anybody heard of this movie?
http://www.remnants-movie.com/index.html
sounds kinda like The World by hand novels or the book “One Second After” by
WILLIAM R. FORSTCHEN.
“And as far as Asoka goes I too had wondered if he
‘was working us to get a kick’, using TT as his
‘errandboy’.”
I think you’re right. Tripp’s been “played” in another drama episode provided to you, free of charge, by R.I. himself, Asoka. Had to wonder what would have possessed Tripp (a smart dude) to have given Asoka his e-mail address in the first place.
I think we’re all gonna have to brace ourselves for a very long, hot summer. The mob incident in San Jose as well as the recent “wildings” reported in Chicago are exactly what you would expect when the unemployment rate for young people hovers around 25%. Angry, disenfranchised, unemployed young men with too much time on their hands is a bad brew. I predicted this would start last summer. Guess I was about a year off. Go figure.
I doubt very much if Asoka has been banned, if he is black, or that he is moving to Latin America.
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…or that there is a Mrs Asoka.
But that could only mean one thing…that Asoka is a complete, bald-faced liar! Pardon me, I’m new around here, just passing through.
Typically when a comment failed to pot it is either because someone forgot to hit “submit” before signing off or else because their password wasn’t recognized because they depressed “Caps Lock” on their keyboard and the program will only accept the case in which the password was originally entered. ASOKA seems a bit mild mannered to be getting banned.
Wage-L says, “I disagree with your solution.
If you think that Take Back The Night marches scare women, what would teaching middle schoolers about potential rapists do?”
Umm, nothing. Middle schoolers know about rape. This is the age of the Internet. Technology has once again proved its ability to move much faster than people. The randomness and images they will find on the net, to my mind, just reinforce the fact that sex education has to begin before internet use.
I hope my kids are gay. Just look at how healthy the homosexual expression of sexuality is.
“Teaching 12 year olds to distrust half of the population is not a good idea, in my opinion.”
All roads lead to Rome as they say. Sooner or later there is going to be a generation of kids without illusions.
When a man enters the room, if he is alone, he is a representative of half the population. I have been held accountable as some sort of representative. When men are maligned as men they are held as such.
I’d say it is too much of a burden for both sexes to remain reliant on a naive tolerance instead of the more difficult job of establishing self-actualizing habits and empowered individuals. We should get real about sexuality, the earlier the better.
Heres what I think: parents fail to teach the truth. To protect the “guile” of their children, they ensconce them in layers of control and protection… chauffers, schedules, activities, etc. Modern soccer-mommery is hubris.
A well-designed lesson would be situational and gender balanced. For the female rapist/sex offenders.
“As I’ve said before this week, I doubt that the reported numbers of rape are accurate.”
It is certainly too high. And yet, there are far too many.
“Plus, I think that life is better if you trust people than if you don’t.”
In most situations, in public, for instance, trust is effortless. Trust is situational. There is a personally-mediated level of sensitivity that must be modulated depending on the circumstances. And that is a skill that needs to be taught and exercised.
Out there in TV-land, it is easy to “trust” newsanchors to deliver the truth. It is easy to “trust” the political system at the ballot box.
It is clear to me after studying the macro and micro-level dangers to life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness that people in general, are extremely poor judges of trust.
People are demonstrably unable to figure out when to trust, and whom. The best political actors get ignored while the worst are elected. Constituents voting against their interests is an ongoing, chronic phenomenon. Everyday people act it ways that indicate that they engage in deep future-discounting. Without values, trust is impossible to establish. What we have out there is false trust- trust in symbols instead of rational processes or evident reality.
This allows powerful evil forces to concentrate and infiltrate. Open societies which value individuality are bound to let many kooks, freakzoids, and victimizers in. This is known but unspoken as the minivans make a defensive circle, mirroring social circles within greater socioeconomic circles to insulate from the dangers of “the other” in contrast to the ostensible values of trust and openness as some cornerstone of pubic life, whatever that means.
Society is a rape victim. This is more than metaphor. This is descriptive. This country has PTSD & STDs. A generations of Lolitas are being raised by the internet. The men are indoctrinated into the industrial/corporate hierarchy, lately demonstrated in military adventures.
These social structures produce the damaged man’s self-esteem. To profess that wealth is the pre-requisite for sex or love is just an all-encompassing sentiment that reveals what kind of person one is pursuing, in what social milieu.
Without a respect for, contact with, and veneration for nature, humanity has no way back. All of the therapies for our condition are conditional exercises in industrial and corporate therapy.
This is, for instance, why white people couldn’t get out of the values rut. We regress to worship of carbon-producing industrial designs and corporate hierarchies. There are no sustainable cultures save the uncontacted tribes whose horizons are filling with the smoke of land-clearing for Beef cattle and poultry as we speak. The closer you get to the beating heart of industrial civilization, the more dangerous the delusional machine people are that feed the boilers.
“Maybe we should have middle schoolers role play about when they go to college and have to pass a gauntlet of credit card hustlers and financial aid pushers. Warning!! Beware!!”
Good. Well, why not? Seriously.
“And why are you calling women bitches again? Did you break up with your girlfriend?”
Things couldn’t be better, actually. I am inspired by her common experiences of being leered at. Its quite obvious to me that this is a sort of proto-rape.
Lately I’ve been visiting some male friends of various ages and am disgusted to the degree in which they have no self-supporting dignity or pride simply as men. They’re either slavishly craving the female or pining and lamenting about it. Many Men don’t have self-esteem without/apart from women. They are, in a word, excessively co-dependent emotionally.
Maybe that is part of instinctual homophobia, the phantom threat of male competition where the gay easily navigates the female realm without the fear of loss of self-esteem (since he is not in competition). Too many men lack self-esteem. They buy castles to hid their princesses in. Every other male is a potential threat, etc.
The Feds should regulate the marketing of products to children. Yes, thats right, Foxfags. Fuck Hasbro.
Children cannot be expected to take on the fantasy that believing in the goodness of strangers alone is a substitute for self-oriented guidance.
As far as calling women ‘bitches’, eh… who cares? Its a verb and a noun. When I am frustrated with the never-ending project of analyzing and diagnosing the problems with contemporary human beings, I start to refer to them as insectoids and bitches.
Albert Brooks came out with a book called 2030, in which he laments a future where the younger generation resents and wants to bump off the older. I thought it a bit paranoid, a projection of personal fears.
But to some degree, the task of cleaning up after- and solving the problems created by a generation of people- who are still alive an unrepentant- is in fact a potentially severe social irritant.
Especially when they fold up medicare and the main job-creation sector is taking care of old folks.
“Albert Brooks came out with a book called 2030, in which he laments a future where the younger generation resents and wants to bump off the older. I thought it a bit paranoid, a projection of personal fears.
But to some degree, the task of cleaning up after- and solving the problems created by a generation of people- who are still alive an unrepentant- is in fact a potentially severe social irritant.
Especially when they fold up medicare and the main job-creation sector is taking care of old folks.”
OR, the youngsters could always send the old folks to Equador.
Trip said, “Yes, permaculture is about design-intensive human systems, but good ones are patterned on local ecologies, without the need to understand exactly how and why they work, just that they do, and a knack for objective observation, and they constantly evolve as our perception matures.”
My assessment is that you are on a continuum between the pure philosophy of Fukuoka and the utilitarianism of pure Permaculture…. which is an excellent balance.
To me, how a practitioner works is the deciding factor in assessing what discipline he might be classified under.
Many have stated that pure Fukuokan natural farming is impossible. Imposition of forms on the land in order to understand it prior to any kind of cultivating might be necessary for us mere mortals.
Cash and Vlad,
A book review in today’s NY Times would make excellent fodder for your squabble. Here’s a juicy blurb to whet your appetite:
The Romans had been bedeviled for years by the motley tribes they lumped together as Germans. Tacitus set out to describe them.
In his telling, the Germans possessed “fierce blue eyes, tawny hair, huge bodies.” They prized freedom, scorned luxury and esteemed military courage above all else. They were a people of sturdy values for whom “good laws” were no substitute for “good habits.” In the land of the Germans, Tacitus writes, “nobody laughs off vice; and to corrupt and to be corrupted is not called “modern times.” Pointedly, he observed that the Germans were “not tainted by intermarriage with any other nations” but rather existed “as a distinct unadulterated people that resembles only itself.”*
The book being reviewed is titled A Most Dangerous Book Tacitus’s “Germania” From the Roman Empire to the Third Reich. By Christopher B. Krebs.
The review itself, by Cullen Murphy, is titled Birth of a Nation How did a long-lost Latin manuscript become a Nazi talisman?
* If this sentence doesn’t make Vlad’s day I don’t know what will.
Never forget that many, if not most parents, are complete assholes. In 16 years barbering and 7 years teaching school, I have had parents get angry at me for simply admitting to their kid that the recessed contained with the lid on the surface of the barber chair is an ashtray and that it is there because people used to smoke cigarettes while getting their hair cut! If I had been the shop owner I would have thrown that asshole NASA engineer out of the damned shop! These people are fucking psychotic the way they think they can keep their kids entirely ignorant of evil indefinitely.
Don’t even ask me about the chapter in the parochial school religion textbook for grade 7 published by the Catholic Sisters of Notre Dame which contained an entire chapter on how the kids should refrain from MASTURBATION! Could anyone even make this shit up?
Where I am now I’ve put the shop owner on notice that all kid’s haircuts will be finished in five minutes in my chair. Because guess what? If the kid spazzes out in your chair it’s your fault! So I plan on finishing the damned haircut BEFORE the little monster decides to spazz out.
Incidentally, the entire time I was teaching the REQUIRED refraining from masturbation chapter the girls were totally mortified with embarrassment. Didn’t phase the boys one bit. I think they were already several years into their respective wankering careers at that point.
He is prejudiced against Northern Europeans. Beyond that, Cash fancies himself a model for the future of “Western” Civilization – all mixed people replacing Whites. He thinks it’s great. He’s far from the only one. At some point in this process, Whites will be openly discriminated against and finally, persecuted out of existence. At least that what the Elite hope. It may happen – even Ron Paul has gotten with the program. He changed his policy on immigration and it is now very close to Obama’s: amnesty and a great increase in the level of legal immigration.
Your barber shop is also a Catholic school? You teach on wanking while cutting hair? Have you thought about becoming a moyle for gentiles?
Political Correctness teaches that the asshole is just as good as the vagina. No difference! Even though with one you need copious lubrication to avoid injury. And even before AIDS, gay health clinics were war zones – countless infections of one kind or another. The promiscous gay lifestyle is a disease lifestyle.
That in fact is one thing women do for us – they keep us from that. If allowed to, straight men would be no better. Some “swingers” are just as bad.
What you say about men is true – we have to learn independence by loving ourselves. The men’s consciousness movement sounds ridiculous and smarmy, but men do need other men. Men who have gained some emotional independence from women and who have close male friends become much happier – and therefore more attractive to women as a side benefit.
I saw a beautiful video about three male lions, brothers who never split up like most male lions do. They were unstoppable. They just sauntered in and took over an old male lion’s pride. There was nothing he could do. And they shared the females together. No one was dominant – they all were. What a lesson for Men particularly White Men who are the most isolated of all.
Thanks Digby. I’ve been trying to tell them. You forgot to mention that all the mob violence has been Black. It’s only gotten worse since the election of Obama – the opposite of what the Liberals assumed. The same thing has been seen through out the Civil Rights movement both here and in South Africa. The more rights and political power attained, the more violence can be expected.
Didn’t phase the boys one bit. I think they were already several years into their respective wankering careers at that point.
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This is the kind of humor that keeps me coming back to CFN day after day, week after week.
BTW, I checked and Vlad is right (@ 6:06PM); the correct word is “wanking.”
Yes, this is a funny blog. I think that the quality of the commentary is much higher than at any other blog I’ve noticed.
I once wrote the English Speaking Union to get a definition of “wanker”. I also recall Judy Dench using the term as applied to girly magazines in the movie “Notes from a Scandal”.
The kids in my first parochial school class, a mere 14 years younger than myself at the time, didn’t miss a beat. Years later when I was tutoring young adults at Job Corps two of them looked me up, caught me at home already drunk, and then while driving down to the lakefront to view a visiting British destroyer they casually passed me a joint which I took a hit off of without even thinking! Then when we all realized how outlandish the situation was with them both still high school seniors we all broke up laughing that they could instinctively tell that I got high and that I accepted the doobie without even pausing to think about what I was doing. I now hang out to watch football with a bunch of guys fourteen years my junior who are the same exact age as those former students of mine.
Thanks for the laughs. That’s some “mother fucking” funny shit there !
looks like fun, think I’ll go back to youtube and type in 911 calls!
Whoever is offended is a snob so don’t worry.
or really religious. & (they can’t help that.)
Some of my best friends are Religious. I forgive them for that ! I love them anyway. and they me.
yeah someones usually is offended. But they are offensive so no worries.
stop me before i say way too much.
you better be ! just do not do it again !
enough is enough.
haha. kidding.
tripp, i found a ‘place’ in the county i live that i want to own. has room for a garden and i love the location. walkable.
take a sec to think good thoughts on this for me.
will take some things to fall in place and for it to be mine, but i hope to pull it off. one thing has to sell first then it could work. it may take a few months. i am putting a ‘spell’ on it as i write. a good spell.
i want to grow stuff. all kinds. lemon trees, veggies. crossing my fingers…
Well I have to admit, yes I really was.
Stereotypical blonde blue eyes beach babe.
teeny bikini, no top. really. had to have a tan.
hippie or surfer girl.
i was a nature girl for sure. all 3 i suppose.
i wish i had darker skin because i love outdoors.
and water, but hate sunscreen.
i ran up and down the beach for miles, and swam in the ocean all day. for years. i still am a swimmer but in the heated pool. Swim at dusk. Outside under the Redwood tree. Heaven basically.
Now I only go out at night ! i wear my sun glasses at night ! not really. like the song tho.
Got out of the sun in time to not have done major damage tho. still love outdoors, just shade.
i read something once, it said YOUTH IS A GIFT OF NATURE, MIDDLE AGE IS A WORK OF ART. i could relate.
my boyfriend at the time took LOTS of pics of me, but when he got a new girlfriend she made him throw them away. Wish i had a couple of them.
But yep it’s true. I was one hot babe ! now lukewarm.
🙂
Are you in the South?
And he had a big head like all Grays – or like ET. Could he have been a vision of us a million years from now?
Sai Baba said in reference to the Lamb of God, “That Ba Ba is this Ba Ba”.
Saw it last night on America’s Most Wanted – Prakshananda Swami wanted for child abuse – has possibly fled to India. Over 80 years young. The power of yoga. I saw him in Boston a couple of times – an incredibly negative guy talking about love and Krisna Bhakti.
Which is why I’m not a Nazi – as I’ve said countless times. Get checked – your memory might be going.
Their treatment of the Slavs was often bad and they intended all of Eastern Europe to become a German Fief with themselves as the Lords. Very bad. That being said, they were and remain the only significant Western political movement to fight against the Illuminati and the hideous future they have mapped out for us – a future which you endorse – though you wouldn’t like it very much once it was here in force. But you’ve been taken in by all the propaganda of smiling brown faces. And if it’s good enough for you, why, it should be good enough for everyone. And if people don’t like it they can fuck themselves. This is your idea of Diversity. Sorry, some of us are wiser than that.
Recent research has shown that there was alot of truth to the Medevial concept of mental health. Thoughts can be considered to be spirits just as much as chemicals – just as light can be either a wave or a particle.
You need some pressure therapy to drive out those bad thoughts. Someone should put your head in vise and apply it. Don’t worry, your head is harder than you think. The pain is just a by product of the therapy and is only in your mind anyway. As Dale says, we are all just a thought in our own minds, perhaps just a piece of undigested potato.
“Recent research has shown that there was alot of truth to the Medevial concept of mental health. ”
That’s fascinating – please post or reference the specific research please?
And BTW, what does this research say about the megalomaniac who never met a pair of shoes that didn’t fit?
because the feminine is disrespected as a whole in our society, and the masculine is reverred and respected.
i wouldn’t call a woman a prick.
so it’s strange that men use both terms ‘dick’ and ‘pussy’to put another male down.
maybe it all says something. not sure what.
except like i said it’s about being strong, aggressive, masculine, even if you are female.
how would i feel if someone called me a pussy ?
don’t know it’s never happened. hard to imagine.
why don’t women call other women pricks or dicks?
calling another guy a pussy says he is weak. calling a woman a prick would be like saying she is masculine and not ladylike i suppose. we don’t do it tho. not that i ever heard.
maybe i’ll be the first one !
damn i think i joined and forgot my password.
i have a.d.d. it’s hard for me to stay organized.
i will try and figure it out.
🙂
this story reminds me of something.
i was working for an elderly woman, in home health care. her micro wave broke, or blew up or something. (i wasn’t there ). it was the simple ones with a dial, the ones that came out first THE GOOD ONES.
her high tech son bought her a New One with digital display, and it was complicated for anyone to figure out. fancy piece of crap.
after about a week she says to me “don’t tell ** but I don’t know how to use this thing, I am starving”.
i told him. so she got another micro with a dial.
I still use the ones with dials. get ’em at thrift stores. I like simple.
Hi Vlad,
i wonder what i said for you to congratulate me on being a racist. will have to go back and read what i wrote. i don’t think i am a racist like across the board. i don’t think i am one. oh well.
well there is one race i particularly don’t like, but it’s not on this board and i am not saying.
i try to not stereotype or generalize but i do anyway.
you know i was stereotyped as a ‘rich white girl’
and then raped by an american indian, in berkeley.
probably wouldn’t have mattered if i was rich or poor (wasn’t rich), he saw me as rich i guess cuz i am white.
personally i have experienced racism here in CA, i don’t use politically correct terms, i’ll just say hispanics, i think that is pc, and it is some of the hispanic women who despise white blondes.
other than that i felt unsafe in Kauai back in 84 or so. they Hate white people. my best friend is Hawaiin and she married to white guy, and so she is not welcome there. father was full blood hawaiin, no matter.
am i hanging with liberals ?
i just connect with things people say and i am not wanting to hang with liberals in particular or not. but i happen to tend to stick with the same poster(s) cuz i resonate with them.
but i think i know what you mean.
they know i don’t know any better. i am not really a critical thinker.
“So if you want to fit in with the Liberal Liars you better stop telling it straight.” like i said i have to go back and re read what i posted to see what you mean.
thanks for the info on the blacks and south americans. i know i wouldn’t be safe down there.
oh and i know a (white) south african who did flee because of what you said. i would never go there. hell i’m not going anywhere far. no money, and all my family and friends are here.
still need to have passport in case tshtf really bad. probably a good thing to have one.
okay got it i think.
going swimming now i hope. been on computer too long, it’s nice out need some air.
🙂
i am in central coast california.
above santa barbara below SF. Monterey Bay.
Buck, if it doesn’t hurt, the spirits wont leave. Don’t worry, we can cure your shoe fetish.
Wow didn’t hear about that. i live kinda close to that area. don’t watch tv all the time.
but didn’t hear anything, guess i have to check that out. San Jose is a major big city. very close to and part of Silicon Valley.
Lovely story tho. makes me sick and mad. But what is my getting angry going to do ? get me killed !
there are stories on the news that say ‘with all the cutbacks there aren’t enough police to deal with the gangs !” well no shit. that is obvious.
and since we can’t take the law into our own hands, what are we supposed to do ?
move i guess.
i can tell you there are more and more undesirables in the area. different lifestyles, i can’t relate to it at all and i don’t want to be close to it, especially the older i get.
{I don’t care what the libbers say, there are just certain things that males are better at than females.}
See, Ripp, we’re not all going to light you up for saying such things 🙂 There ARE certain things that men are better at than women, and vice versa . . . inherent muscular strength differences between the sexes is simply a biological reality . . . taking on drunks physically is not a job I would like to have for myself. However, when it comes down to intellectual abilities and fortitude, I would not say that men are inherently superior. We are all blessed with what we are blessed with.
I go to the gym to try to fight off Father Time and stay healthy in an age of high health care costs, and on occasion I have to smile sweetly and “get onto” some young dude who leaves the squat bar loaded with 200+ pounds of iron. I’m nice about it, but I’m like, “Dude, WTF? We ain’t all Arnold up in heah, like YOU, yanno?” And inevitably he grins sheepishly and unloads his shit so I can load up the bar with my “wussy” 50-100 lbs to do my thing. I think we sexes are equal in different ways, and our specific skills complement each other.
Thank you for your honesty. You have been the victim of Racism against White People. You are not alone. Hawaii is very dangerous for Whites. The singer Jewel said that she was beaten up every day as a kid by the natives. Now my point: Liberals can’t stand this kind of honesty because they only believe Whites can be Racists – and thus deny Whites can be the victims of Racism or that Non-Whites can even BE Racists. So from this follows the massive denial in the Media of alot of what happens in America – the rape of White Women by Blacks, the level of Black and Hispanic Violence, the racism of Blacks and Hispanics against each other etc.
And the consequences continue: Whites fleeing from the Hispanic invasion have to lie about it – to avoid being called racists. This White Flight is one of the largest movements in US History yet the Media is silent. And Whites who flee seldom tell the truth about why they are fleeing. You did. I know you don’t share my views but at least you love yourself enough not only to get out but to tell the Truth about the destruction the Hispanics are bringing with them.
A thought to leave you with: Does racism have to mean hating other races or can it mean loving your own more? For example, does loving your own kids more than other kids have to mean hating those other kids? I say it’s natural to love your own kind more than others. It doesn’t have to mean hating others. If they are enemies, sure. But if not, not. In any case, good fences make good neighbors. Now that we are a multi racial Nation, we will never have peace. I have liked some non-Whites I have met and worked with, but I never forget that they are for their own before me. They have liked me too I believe, but that changes nothing in the larger social dynamic.
{With apologies to WageL, Ibendet, JackieB, et.al. I have to say this. Alot of the stuff complained about on this site, nonstop shopping, big SUVs, strip malls, regular malls, McMansions, pampered kids, results from the wants and desires of women. For example, the massive SUVs all over the place here are always being driven by women. They’re the ones buying all this shit at the malls. They seem to be the ones who want the oversized houses in the suburbs, too. I don’t know too many dudes who care about any of that stuff. Don’t get me wrong, I love women. But that’s how it seems to me.}
Not all women are the same, Marlin. I’d venture to say that the women who comment here on JHK’s blog are a different sort than the suburban soccer mom type. Women are in general, though, much more susceptible to the deception of the “hologram” . . . and that has a lot to do with culture and socialization. We are taught, from our earliest memories, that “girls” do THIS, and “boys” do THAT. We have the concept of what we’re SUPPOSED to do, shoved down our throats from the day we are born, until the day we do what we’re supposed to do . . . which is to get married, be a good wife, have babies, and be a mommy. That’s it. That’s what we’re supposed to do, and if you manage to get an education and get a career in between, well then, how nice for you, but it should never distract you from your primary purpose.
The cognitive dissonance kicks in much sooner for the lower classes and the minorities, when they discover (far too long after the fact, in many cases, unfortunately) that all that “fairy-tale” bullshit they were fed by the culture and the media all their lives, was exactly that . . . a bunch of bullshit. For the middle and upper-middle classes, it perhaps takes a layoff of the breadwinner, some hard times, for reality to kick in. There are some fortunate women out there that are able to keep driving the Land Rover across the Target parking lot, who reality never intrudes upon.
Have any of you ever seen the Showtime series “Weeds”? The nice surburban mom, whose husband had a heart attack while jogging, and then she was up shit creek without a paddle, and ended up becoming a weed dealer to the other suburban white-bread folks in her community, to make ends meet? ROTFLMAO! And a real eye opener as to what life could end up being like for some of those women. Great show!
OK, I just got home from a long drive and I said I wasn’t going to sign back onto cfn tonight. But a couple of things need to be complimented and a couple of things need to be fought.
Let’s go with the complements first. BeanTown, you are correct that Vlad is a hateful frightened spirit who leaves piles of shit on the CFN blog.
Posters, new and old, wonder why this ClusterFuck always degrades to racist blather EVERY SINGLE GODDAM WEEK. ?
The answer is Vlad.
OK, so that complement turned into a fight – let’s try again.
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Vald, there are two points regarding race and The Long Emergency (TLE, remember that, guys?) that you, Vlad, would agree with – that would be impossible for any other thinking person to disagree with. And they are important points.
(and they have nothing at all to do with immigration – which will be a surprise to some of you)
But few on CFN have been able to discuss them because there is so much racist sh*t being dumped on this site every week. And you’re the head shit dumper, Vlad. If fact, you and newworld are the ONLY racist sh*t dumpers of whom I can easily think.
And newworld is a hell of a lot better at being non-confrontational about race than you are, Vlad.
You, Vlad, fuck this place up every week. And in so doing, you fuck up the US. Badly.
There is nothing wrong with loving the white race.
But your hate for others blinds you to any love at all – any love at all.
Change yourself first.
Tripp,
I’m going to go ahead and agree with 6 or 8 posters so far. Asoka is playing.
He did not get banned by JHK or the admin guy. Any “asoka banning” was self-administered by asoka.
Why?
No idea. It is just OBVIOUS that nothing asoka has done deserves banning by the visible standards in force on this ClusterFuck. Not when Old69 SpiderMonkey can eat bandwidth like he does every week.
And not when NotMommy/TootSie/lil’Nausea – can have one of his hate spewing screennames last for weeks, sometimes.
And, even if the banning were true, a banned asoka could come back as asokamultitudes, or whatever – and no one would care in the least. – Especially JHK and his admin guy/girl.
So, Tripp, if you feel honor bound to honor asoka’s request that you repost his departure info next week – would you wait until at least Saturday afternoon – or maybe Sunday night.
Please.
This is JHK’s blog. It’s a matter of respect.
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BTW, someone upthread asked “why would a smart guy like Tripp give out his email address?”
Answer: Tripp’s email address is right out there on his smallbatchblog website for all the world to see. He’s a nice guy who’ll talk to almost anyone – with an HONEST expectation of mutual respect.
And that’s rare enough in the real world.
And almost impossible to find in the online world.
Don’t abuse a trust.
Oh my Lord, JackieBlue2U!
You are a beautiful blond “California Girl.” Your own self description is everything a man could dream upon – and I think you’re being modest. And your spirit resonates with mine in an interesting way.
My wife is, right now, wondering why I’m throwing clothes and camping gear into the little truck and mumbling, “I think it’s time for us to take that that trip back out west that we’ve been talking about since the kids moved out.”
You would like my wife a lot, I suspect.
And I know she would like you.
Resonating spirits – and all that, you know.
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OK, I’m through for the evening.
But that was exciting for a second, Ms. Jackie – you’ve got to admit.
Mentioned awhile back that there’s a lot of rolling stock sitting on every rail siding between Portland and Seattle. Miles and miles; hundreds and thousands. Mentioned it over on Michael Greer’s blog and “Don Mason” responded with this link. There’s also an interesting chart of oil consumption / production.
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2011/06/rail-traffic-shows-slowing-economy.html
That’s an awful lot of steel and iron just sitting around. Wonder how long before “they” start scrapping them out to China?
Yo, Jackie; I responded to your post, but the blog ate my homework 🙂 .
I copied, signed out, shut down my browser, cleaned my cookies and caches, re-signed in and pasted … still no dice. Don’t get it. No links and I didn’t Google anything while posting.
Mysteries of cyberspace.
Years ago when I worked at a bookstore, up in Olympia, we had two “Steamboat Island” Matrons working part time at the store. That’s a very upscale area. They were working for the fun, and a little pin money.
After a night of wedded bliss, one of them’s husband got up the next morning an announced he was leaving the five kids and her. She went from Steamboat Island to ADC and public housing in one easy step. There was no equity in the house. Second mortgage to buy “toys.”
But, it turned out ok. After a long wrangle, she got support AND the money to return to school and become … a lawyer. She also took a 23 year old, very studly lover. Boy did that ever sit her ex-old man on his ass 🙂 Talk about a cougar!
That is so weird. That post still won’t post. Posts before and posts after, but that one just won’t “go.”
Do you think you can change or shame him?
Me thinks not………
His posts offend you…scroll past or drop out of
freespeech ville.
Far as ol Prakash goes….yes about 27 years ago I went to him once…one more scammer.
I hear Gates is Jewish..
was Rockefeller?
Buffet is leaving his billions to abortion
His Ex spends hers on ‘civil rights’………..
Maybe the Fed can be installed in China.
The Optional Society
The entire ideological construction of education, research and innovation “creating jobs” is based on the idea that a consensus emerges within societies that a lot of optional, fluff, abstract things that you can’t see or touch become “important” become “valuable”, that ideas, concepts, information, pseudo-inventions (which are mostly just different packagings of the same old fashioned things that have been around for decades now like cameras in cell phones, IPADs which are just computers, etc.) get paid for by other people evaluating them as worthy, and by paying for them they generate jobs for people to engage in for their design, sales and interacting with them. But this is mostly a simple cultural choice, is an aesthetic, practically “artistic” choice in the end, there are no real necessities behind them, they are not based on the primary sector of agriculture or the secondary sector of manufacturing, they are simply optional, fun things to do, especially fun ways to occupy time both as labor and both as engagements.
So most of the imagined “new jobs” will be and should emerge in optional sectors, new things to do, new areas of engagements, etc. But is this the case ? I doubt very much, I really can’t see or imagine so many new sectors, new things to do that will require so many people working 8 hours a day, requiring constant manipulations of information or physical manipulations, informational and physical transformations for 8 hours a day that will correspond to a pay that should somehow produce a profit for the bosses and that should allow the workers to pay rent, health care, energy and all of the other real basics.
And in fact, the funny thing of this system is that to pay the basics you need to generate the fluff, the necessities are based on the optionals, and when the going gets tough, the necessities start costing more and more and the optionals start becoming more and more optional, are not “needed” (were they ever needed ?) so much anymore. And in fact, a characteristic of work seems increasingly to be a total optional endeavor, hire and fire, anyone or any activity can be hosed (actually should be hosed because the system is dynamic and “advancing” this way) in a moment, etc.
But behind all of the deceptions, all of the inventions, all of the talk one thing seems clear: jobs are becoming increasingly optional, are mostly not needed, will generate less and less profit for the bosses as people become crueler and crueler because that is what the entire ideology of competition, “fighting for it”, “you have to deserve it”, calling everyone else lazy really is all about, the entire “you need more education”, “your skill sets are not up to date”, “you are not innovative enough” and so forth and so on really implies.
But to counter this, what do the powers that be do ? They try to hike up the prices of necessities as much as possible, but in stealth mode, without you noticing, they try to hose you, and everyone plays along without even noticing: and so it was with huge increases in house prices and rents, huge increases in health care costs, huge increases in colleges and so forth and so on. And they do this by creating artificial constraints, by creating artificial scarcities and interdictions to force you to pay for things that should cost way less, by forcing you to change “jobs” and living in high cost of living areas (all of a sudden all the jobs are in Houston, wow, rent and house prices going up, hmmm), health care always going up (no one on earth understands why or how or what is going on, except that all of these private insurances and the nurses and the doctors and the hospitals start asking for more and more cash like hogs and pigs gone crazy for the same old fashioned things that cost pennies in the 1960s up till the 1980s but now have become all “high maintenance” items, all top notch luxury, a bed in a hospital room must cost a thousand dollars a day (who says ? why ? are they crazy or what ?) the nurse must make 100,000 dollars a year (who says so ? why ? are they crazy ?), you get the idea).
But make no mistake, this system is doomed from the outset, labor won’t generate the profits expected, labor is being automated out of existence, labor is increasingly optional, has only the value a bunch of people assign it as having optionally (like most education, courses, software, movies, office politics, you name it), on a whim, just for fun, so the value can become zero right away and the jobs disappear right away (occasional mass layoffs), most labor is not even needed structurally and wastes more energy, and hence real first and second sector resources then they are worth, etc.
Solution ? become a low maintenance society where the basics should be paid what they are really worth, and namely much, much less: house rents 100 to 200 dollars a month, house prices everywhere (and all across the USA, EU and JAPAN), at most 50,000 dollars (even in big “important” cities like San Francisco and Manhattan (hose the speculators and banks) no more million dollar homes just because they are in big important cities, same for Paris, London and Tokyo).
And a complete change of ideology and mentality: huge public – private projects hiring millions for Rockets to Mars, High Speed Trains, huge BUS systems all across the USA (and world), Trillions of Skyscrapers, you name it, huge projects that are accumulative, that aggregate labor, that make the labor add up and not subtract down with petty fights of all against all. And Cheap Rents, Hobby Factories and Free Salaries, Free Public Health Care, etc. All big government things, we need big government, a unity of intent, a communist dictatorship that kills greed, and kills the individual that is a total egotistical criminal that wants to simply beat up his brother and fight and not produce a common goal, a common value, a common good, that generates pride, ambition, everyone working together for the common good, for the idea, for the symbol MIND OVER MATTER, etc.
On a side note, why on earth should housing even cost so much ? It is just a box to live in, and in the USA they are even cheap wood crappy boxes that easily fall apart (in Mexico and Europe they are stone – concrete, but mostly tiny, oh well, the whole world just sucks cock BIG TIME), but it is just a box, why hike the prices up ? Because they know that by hiking up the prices of necessities they can force you to pay more and more, they know that all of the other jobs and activities are not needed, but they got to get you in a corner and hike up the prices of necessities, housing and health care and indirectly schooling (since schooling should land you that oh so important and necessary fake fluff job).
On the tree huggers and greens that are against consumerism and 5 TVs in a house and so forth and so on I answer : we need more and more consumerism, we need more of everything, behind all of this are jobs, so more consumerism means more jobs, unless you want to simply give out Free Salaries to all of the manufacturing entities. But we need an ever increasing consumerism and also Free Salaries, Trillions of Cadillacs, Trillions of Skyscrapers, and KILL NATURE, how I hate the greens and tree huggers and nature, THEY JUST PROTECT THEIR OWN LITTLE CORNER NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT WE NEED TO KILL NATURE TO GIVE JOBS TO PEOPLE AND LET PEOPLE LIVE: KILL NATURE AND LET PEOPLE PRODUCE AND CONSUME!
Some say the Rocks wer part Jewish – but it’s just a rumor. One of them went to New Guinea to gather art and he got eaten by the Natives.
Uh oh, another spelling error!go for it little betty and tommy, you can do it!, go man go, First gear, all right!; second gear, hold on tight!; third gear, out of sight!; faster faster faster and bring it to the FED, good little boys and girls!
From:
http://kunstler.com/blog/2011/06/the-creeping-nausea-of-american-exceptionalism.html
From:
http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=22324&st=150
Uh oh, little Nancy, another spelling error! find the error game again, oh what fun, go for it man, go man, go!
And then copy it all and give it to a guy called Ben Bernanke at a place called the Federal Reserve, tell him to print trillions of dollars and throw them off a helicopter all across the USA (and EU and JAPAN while he’s at it!), he will understand, tell him all the secret formulas have failed, there is no innovation, education, hidden hand of the market, you name it that will magically create jobs, that are not needed and not even worth it from the outset. And ask him what to do with 15 million empty homes all across the USA and 20 million empty homes all across Europe, from Lisbon to Moscow, after all they did all the right things, they built homes, a basic necessity, they were good little girls and boys, so what gives, why isn’t anything good coming out of it ?
Also, vlad, the Right Wing Thugs always personalize the problems, the thug that is drugged, the black that robs, they always want you to believe that it is individual people that are bad, and not that the structure of the system, the large scale Macro Economic Machine is what really determines all, and this is created by design and intention, there is a social class that benefits hugely by having millions unemployed and high health care costs and home rents and prices high, etc.
Also, even work no longer profits from being hired, since the pay is so low, you can’t even rent your own place, why on earth even work ? Just stay at home and watch TV. So you see, both the bosses and the workers no longer gain anything anymore in a system where only the property owners and banks and health care thieves, etc. high level capitalists hog everything up.
So Work no longer generates profits, Working no longer is even worth it, and work is being eliminated and automated out of existence anyways. Good luck with that.
Profit from Work ?
Work Doesn’t Generate Profits Anymore
If there is any real logic operating in the “economy” (which I doubt), if there is any cause and effect, any common sense operating, if there is anything real behind it, then we are really in trouble. We can only hope in the usual quirks, random way that the forces engaged play out, that companies just decide to hire for the fun of it (inventing all kinds of wacky job tasks, but that is ok, that has been going on for decades now), that all of a sudden an assignment language assigns as important a whole bunch of items and tasks that were previously not even on the radar, so as to hire the unemployed etc. Otherwise, the USA, EU and JAPAN will simply slowly but surely go down the drain one way or the other, no matter what anyone wants or thinks or tries to figure out.
And why is this ? Well, aside from the very real and powerful Macro Economic Trend of the Technological Economy eliminating jobs automatically, no matter what, because it uses computers, software, optimizations, robots, globalizations, and can make any factory in any hidden corner of Latin America, Africa or Asia churn out almost any item with people working for 200 dollars a month (which, strangely compared to the western salaries is actually quite high, they are actually making a lot more money than their western factory workers, given that in the west they give you 800 dollars a month, but just the rent can cost you more than 1,000 dollars a month, you get – 200 dollars a month, at least in 3rd world countries, they give you even zero (no need to even pay, free work, no need to pay them, just give them a room and some food, many in the West would love something like that, and they would readily work for free, who cares!) but 3 hots and a cot for free and you would still be way ahead of any western worker, go figure), you have another very powerful and real Macro Economic Trend going on: Work or Labor no longer generates a profit for the Bosses, for the Capitalists, for the Small or Big Businesses, for the Entrepreneurs.
Work is not giving back its costs: the capitalists are right on this, why on earth hire people if they can’t make a profit from their labor ? And how on earth are they going to make a profit from their labor ? but especially what labor, what tasks, what on earth can the workers possibly do to make their bosses gain more money than what they cost ? Very little, this is also structural, there is almost nothing the workers can do to improve their situation: they are redundant, not needed, optimized out of any usefulness, automated and technically rendered obsolete, cost more than what they are “producing” (let alone what they are worth – which I imagine is a big fat zero) and worth even for the poor capitalists, who are supposed to “invest” and “bet on them”.
What activity can the poor capitalists make the worker perform, for 8 hours a day, everyday, what manipulations for every minute for 8 hours, what physical or informational transformations and manipulations can the worker perform that will make the money being paid for the worker be paid back with at least some profit ? I have a hard time imagining what, honestly. And this is the problem:
Work doesn’t generate Profits anymore, the old rules no longer apply, people are simply a cost, are a pain in the ass, are useless and redundant and still think that they are needed. And even if some types are needed, they are far and in between, maybe some specialized machine shop guys, some technological guys, some other things, maybe a few hundred or thousand of these types at most, it won’t make a dent in the millions of jobs needed in the USA, EU and JAPAN. No wonder everyone is in “punishment mode”, the capitalists are always saying that workers are not “productive enough” or “innovative enough” or “competitive enough” (even they don’t know why workers have become such huge useless turds), everyone is pissed off at everyone else, everyone is hating on everyone else: they are all frustrated because they sense how useless they have all become, how useless their “skills” or “work potential” really is, they know they can’t sell anything of value to anyone no matter what, that is why everyone wants to fire everyone else, wants to call everyone else a freeloader, lazy and not deserving. They know that there is very little left to really sell other people, you can only sell so much BS and so many fairy tales to people until they see through all of them (like education) and discover that it is all a scam.
So what is the solution ? Free Salaries, Cheap Rents, governments must take this problem in their hands and force a solution, there is no other hidden hand of the market, no magic, no tax cuts that will change any of this. No innovation, no research and development that will “create jobs” (in fact research and development have been killing jobs for decades now, go figure), etc.
Another solution is to drastically cut the fixed external costs people have: since you won’t be able to expect a salary of more than 800 dollars a month in the future, since nothing you do can possibly be worth much more, then the external, independent variable costs like housing rents and prices of houses must be slashed violently: rents of 100 to 200 dollars a month at most, homes costing not more than 50,000 dollars all across and the same for all 3 developed regions of the world USA, EU and JAPAN. And same for health care, dentists and doctors have to ask for 5 and 10 dollars for services, colleges and schools have to cut their prices by the boatloads, etc. Cut all of the external costs, the independent variable costs big time, that is the only solution.
Of course, none of this will be done, no logic operates, nothing of the above is true for a simple reason: the system has no rules, there are no common sense patterns, the system is a total chaotic random quirk, and it all may play out perfectly all the same, after all 90 % of the USA workers are still working (not producing anything at all but that is ok) most work is just fighting other people, change for changes sake, hire and fire, just a huge spinning the wheels of so many people trying to make believe they are doing important stuff, when they are really just fighting each other, office politics, all kinds of subtle games, the values and judgments games, the who will be hosed next games, etc.
But if any hard core logic is operating, WATCH OUT! WORK IS BEING AUTOMATED AND OPTIMIZED OUT OF EXISTENCE AND WORK NO LONGER GENERATES ANY PROFITS FOR THE BOSSES, CONCLUSION: THE END OF WORK, AND MASS POVERTY.
Uh oh, another spelling error!go for it little Betty and Tommy, you can do it!, go man go, First gear, all right!; second gear, hold on tight!; third gear, out of sight!; faster faster faster and bring it to the FED, good little boys and girls!
The Optional Society
The entire ideological construction of education, research and innovation “creating jobs” is based on the idea that a consensus emerges within societies that a lot of optional, fluff, abstract things that you can’t see or touch become “important” become “valuable”, that ideas, concepts, information, pseudo-inventions (which are mostly just different packagings of the same old fashioned things that have been around for decades now like cameras in cell phones, IPADs which are just computers, etc.) get paid for by other people evaluating them as worthy, and by paying for them they generate jobs for people to engage in for their design, sales and interacting with them. But this is mostly a simple cultural choice, is an aesthetic, practically “artistic” choice in the end, there are no real necessities behind them, they are not based on the primary sector of agriculture or the secondary sector of manufacturing, they are simply optional, fun things to do, especially fun ways to occupy time both as labor and both as engagements.
So most of the imagined “new jobs” will be and should emerge in optional sectors, new things to do, new areas of engagements, etc. But is this the case ? I doubt very much, I really can’t see or imagine so many new sectors, new things to do that will require so many people working 8 hours a day, requiring constant manipulations of information or physical manipulations, informational and physical transformations for 8 hours a day that will correspond to a pay that should somehow produce a profit for the bosses and that should allow the workers to pay rent, health care, energy and all of the other real basics.
And in fact, the funny thing of this system is that to pay the basics you need to generate the fluff, the necessities are based on the optionals, and when the going gets tough, the necessities start costing more and more and the optionals start becoming more and more optional, are not “needed” (were they ever needed ?) so much anymore. And in fact, a characteristic of work seems increasingly to be a total optional endeavor, hire and fire, anyone or any activity can be hosed (actually should be hosed because the system is dynamic and “advancing” this way) in a moment, etc.
But behind all of the deceptions, all of the inventions, all of the talk one thing seems clear: jobs are becoming increasingly optional, are mostly not needed, will generate less and less profit for the bosses as people become crueler and crueler because that is what the entire ideology of competition, “fighting for it”, “you have to deserve it”, calling everyone else lazy really is all about, the entire “you need more education”, “your skill sets are not up to date”, “you are not innovative enough” and so forth and so on really implies.
But to counter this, what do the powers that be do ? They try to hike up the prices of necessities as much as possible, but in stealth mode, without you noticing, they try to hose you, and everyone plays along without even noticing: and so it was with huge increases in house prices and rents, huge increases in health care costs, huge increases in colleges and so forth and so on. And they do this by creating artificial constraints, by creating artificial scarcities and interdictions to force you to pay for things that should cost way less, by forcing you to change “jobs” and living in high cost of living areas (all of a sudden all the jobs are in Houston, wow, rent and house prices going up, hmmm), health care always going up (no one on earth understands why or how or what is going on, except that all of these private insurances and the nurses and the doctors and the hospitals start asking for more and more cash like hogs and pigs gone crazy for the same old fashioned things that cost pennies in the 1960s up till the 1980s but now have become all “high maintenance” items, all top notch luxury, a bed in a hospital room must cost a thousand dollars a day (who says ? why ? are they crazy or what ?) the nurse must make 100,000 dollars a year (who says so ? why ? are they crazy ?), you get the idea).
But make no mistake, this system is doomed from the outset, labor won’t generate the profits expected, labor is being automated out of existence, labor is increasingly optional, has only the value a bunch of people assign it as having optionally (like most education, courses, software, movies, office politics, you name it), on a whim, just for fun, so the value can become zero right away and the jobs disappear right away (occasional mass layoffs), most labor is not even needed structurally and wastes more energy, and hence real first and second sector resources then they are worth, etc.
Solution ? become a low maintenance society where the basics should be paid what they are really worth, and namely much, much less: house rents 100 to 200 dollars a month, house prices everywhere (and all across the USA, EU and JAPAN), at most 50,000 dollars (even in big “important” cities like San Francisco and Manhattan (hose the speculators and banks) no more million dollar homes just because they are in big important cities, same for Paris, London and Tokyo).
And a complete change of ideology and mentality: huge public – private projects hiring millions for Rockets to Mars, High Speed Trains, huge BUS systems all across the USA (and world), Trillions of Skyscrapers, you name it, huge projects that are accumulative, that aggregate labor, that make the labor add up and not subtract down with petty fights of all against all. And Cheap Rents, Hobby Factories and Free Salaries, Free Public Health Care, etc. All big government things, we need big government, a unity of intent, a communist dictatorship that kills greed, and kills the individual that is a total egotistical criminal that wants to simply beat up his brother and fight and not produce a common goal, a common value, a common good, that generates pride, ambition, everyone working together for the common good, for the idea, for the symbol MIND OVER MATTER, etc.
On a side note, why on earth should housing even cost so much ? It is just a box to live in, and in the USA they are even cheap wood crappy boxes that easily fall apart (in Mexico and Europe they are stone – concrete, but mostly tiny, oh well, the whole world just sucks cock BIG TIME), but it is just a box, why hike the prices up ? Because they know that by hiking up the prices of necessities they can force you to pay more and more, they know that all of the other jobs and activities are not needed, but they got to get you in a corner and hike up the prices of necessities, housing and health care and indirectly schooling (since schooling should land you that oh so important and necessary fake fluff job).
On the tree huggers and greens that are against consumerism and 5 TVs in a house and so forth and so on I answer : we need more and more consumerism, we need more of everything, behind all of this are jobs, so more consumerism means more jobs, unless you want to simply give out Free Salaries to all of the manufacturing entities. But we need an ever increasing consumerism and also Free Salaries, Trillions of Cadillacs, Trillions of Skyscrapers, and KILL NATURE, how I hate the greens and tree huggers and nature, THEY JUST PROTECT THEIR OWN LITTLE CORNER NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT WE NEED TO KILL NATURE TO GIVE JOBS TO PEOPLE AND LET PEOPLE LIVE: KILL NATURE AND LET PEOPLE PRODUCE AND CONSUME!
Wow, spider, what a blog hog you are!
I’ll give you a week off from it. Thank you for listening – however involuntary. Remember one thing though: a fact is a fact howsoever ugly, or odious the speaker.
Intelligence Distributed to Objects by the “Cloud” and Internet Connected Devices
I was reading how objects are becoming “intelligent” and “Internet Connected” like an alarm clock that finds out that there is traffic and decides to sound off earlier so you can avoid the traffic and such. This is an example of Indirect and Objectified Free Wills Frozen in Objects, past decisions on what causes and effects should be, what actions and reactions should be, made by some person, in a different place and time and that you can’t directly interact with. So if you get pissed off at the “device”, you are really getting pissed off at an indirect other Free Will that decided something but you can’t do anything about it, and you lose the fight, the contradiction, the contrast, the challenge on the outset, as you are fighting a Frozen Decision and an imaginary intractable person.
How to distribute Free Will contrasts and contrasting Free Wills indirectly, as a proxy, Free Will decisions probably opposing your Free Will through Internet Devices, Software, Rfids, and other Technological items acting according to what someone else decided. How to indirectly uncouple Free Will from people into “objective” detached and indirect entities interacting with you, and you directly acting and reacting according to another predetermined, but now Dead and Objectified Free Will.
Another subtle contrast and fight that is imposed upon you, without you noticing it.
Arguably the worst racial tension in the US today is between Anglo blacks and Latinos, especially Mexicans.
A couple of things seem to be at play. From what I’ve seen the cultural differences are a relatively small factor. The real problem seems to be that blacks and Latinos are fighting over the same blocks of low-wage jobs and seedy neighborhoods, and have developed a deep mutual antagonism as a result.
There’s a disgustingly long history of that sort of ethnic antagonism between marginalized groups fighting over the leftovers of the American economy. As a nation, we seem unable to learn from our past mistakes. Or perhaps more to the point, our economic and political overlords see it fit to contrive racial animosity as a way of lording it over the lower classes who do most of the productive work. That’s been happening at least since Bacon’s Rebellion.
Some ethnic groups recover from this divide-and-conquer strategy more quickly and completely than others. The group that has fared the worst are the black descendants of Continental slaves. Few Americans realize how much worse adjusted they are as a group than the descendants of Caribbean slaves, who have long been disproportionately represented in the black American elite–the “Talented Tenth,” if you will. So slavery per se isn’t the only thing holding black Americans back. It’s something worse than that, a destructive, centuries-old cultural inheritance unique to the American South.
The groups involved in race riots against blacks have usually been among the most dispossessed in their time and place: Irishmen in Civil War-era New York City, Slavs in the Midwest in the mid-Twentieth Century, and recently Latinos in much of the country but especially the Southwest, etc.
From what I’ve gathered, the worst racial prejudice against blacks in Philadelphia is in Fishtown and the white part of Kensington, a heavily Irish, working-class section of the Northeast. A friend who lives there told me that neighborhood toughs have a policy of intimidating and beating blacks who try to live in their neighborhood. They’re very territorial. Black Kensington, just across a street to the north, is worse. I do not get a similar vibe from the white neighborhoods in Northwest Philadelphia.
My mom spent the early 1960s in Cleveland. Her description of race relations there was that every once in a while the blacks on the East Side would have a brawl with the Slavs on the West Side while the Jews and Italians watched from the sidelines. At one point, she called her brother, who was living on Staten Island (where they had grown up), and told him several Polish jokes that she had heard in Cleveland. His response? Those aren’t Polish jokes; they’re Italian jokes.
In Pittsburgh, from what I gather, the same jokes are, or at least were, Hunky jokes. Few people outside of western PA have any idea what a Hunky is (and, no, it’s not the same thing as a honky, although it could be one). Thankfully, this particular bigotry died down in the Twentieth Century as Austro-Hungarian families assimilated and escaped poverty on the coattails of the labor movement, but Carnegie and his lackeys would have kept stoking it had they been able.
Los Angeles didn’t become violent overnight. Circa 1911 there was four-way ethnic gang warfare between blacks, Chinese, Irishmen and Mexicans, with drive-by shootings from boxcars. At least that’s what James Frey wrote in “Bright Shiny Morning;” take it with a grain of salt if you don’t think he’s learned his lesson about literary fraud.
What we have today in many of our Latino communities is de facto Jim Crow with a language barrier and a constant threat of deportation, and that’s exactly how the ruling class wants it. It’s a different cast of characters and a partial change of scenery but the same damned story.
We never fucking learn. We’re too delusional and easily propagandized.
Another interesting take: The Arab Revolution, they finally saw beyond the fake, make believe religious wars that the dominating authorities in those countries found so convenient: let everybody fight for Allah, against the Jews, against the USA and Israel, let them fight puny internal religious wars, sunnies against the others, and so forth and so on, Iran, the religious crap going on and on forever, Palestine, etc. So that you don’t have to give millions of people what they really need and that is houses and jobs, keep their minds occupied on religion and don’t give them anything they really need.
So now, maybe they are waking up to the fact that all of those religious wars and crap is useless, isn’t going to give them a house and a job, what they really need: they don’t need to fight Israel or for the Palestinians, they need that their governments give them their houses and jobs or at least their Free Salaries and Cheap Rents.
Of course, this raises the question of what should be done about our entrenched black ghettos and more violent barrios. I don’t presume to have much in the way of solutions, except to say that Ebonics, bilingual education and relativistic acceptance of hood rat culture are not solutions. If you ride the whole way from Metro Center to 103rd Street yelling about how “she ugly! She know she ugly! Her hair always gonna be nappy! She just a ghetto-ass bitch…,” I can’t help you. To adopt your own parlance, by being a ghetto-ass bitch who need a whack on the head, you’ve marginalized yourself.
I’ll give you a week off from it.”
-vlad-
Maybe you’re not even aware of what you’re doing, Vlad. You’ll string together some pretty good ideas sometimes and you’ll make some people think – whether they want to or not. I don’t mind that at all. I’ll be a willing participant – If I have something to add.
But that sneering racist thing – you’ll do it about every 5th post. Essentially it will be a repetition on the theme of:
black always bad – white always good
black always rape- white always defend woman
black always criminal- white always enforce law
always blacks fault – white always right
White must run from black – far away to new nation
Say what you want – lose the sneer –
and you won’t have any trouble from me
and you’ll have a lot less trouble from the rest of the blog.
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=175557
“Language, in other words, that does not merely represent what we perceive to be true…but, instead, reflects literally what we conceive to be true, as well. Words, analogously, become like bricks and they are anchored to each other to form concepts that are anchored to other concepts to form a metaphysical foundation which is presumed to be a “snapshot” of the world we actually live in.
A logically and epistemologically sound snapshot, as it were.
But where is the world we actually live in, in this snapshot? Hasn’t that simply been abstracted out altogether? It is almost as though, if reality cannot be “analyzed” into existence, it may well not even be there at all.”
I answer:
Assuming there is an “US”, which I doubt, since you can’t prove it, if not for clues, but are clues enough ? Who or what decides enough ? Anyways, you can see it starting from a kind of “Intentionality of Use”, this is kind of even before language and thought (?), like a cat that instinctively knows how to walk and avoid obstacles. So, as soon as we even think, connect dots, and start describing them in a language and a mix of languages and images and imaginary causes and effects in our (your or his or its ?) mind, this procedure kind of implies that I want to do something with it, that there is some target, or some relationship, some interaction, some imagined interaction with another person, or myself, or an idea, etc.
And this sought after interaction or relationship is somehow important, stands out, is connected to some meaning which is always somewhere down there something that gives you a feeling (emotion ?, sensation ?, simply a reaction ? or simply a materialized cause and effect painting ?), if even only slightly, something that you perceive, is more important than something else.
Where does the world reside in all of this ? Nowhere, it is almost an excuse.
Philosophy not only can’t tell you anything about the world, it actually tells you less and gets you even more off the “right track”, confuses, it is negative knowledge. The more you engage within it, the further from the truth or the world you get. But who cares what the world is or what it is supposed to “tell us” ? I think that the square root of no number at all or the square root of a word or concept is way more intriguing and interesting, way more open to possibilities than any hard core logic or explanation. We need concepts that become ever more detached, more confusing, more incredible, we have to invent ever more symbols and languages, we need to be totally wrong, a total confusion, the real death of god as in logic and language.
Like a strange problem that pops up for me, what is the ratio between (sensations – sense organ inputs) S and (thoughts/descriptions of such/denotations) T, S/T ? It must be very small, only a few real sensations for a boatload of denotations, descriptions, logic…
Why are we a pattern that projects itself in time, and wants to find all the possible patterns from past to future and define ourselves according to what pattern we will play out (or have played out?), or have in such high esteem patterns in general ? Like chemical reactions of carbon molecules in cells found an algorithm of repetitive interactions with other molecules, decided to repeat it, and kept on going, and then an entire Man and his mind, and his mind keeps on going, the “Pattern Searching Machine” trying to imagine, create (or invent) and play out new patterns (as in science finding them out?!?).
Anyways, I am always ever more lost forever in all of this crap and insanity, just to give you a glimpse of some the ideas that I have. They have no social use, which is a good sign.
i’ll second that, life in south america is so much healthier & fulfilling.
you cfn’ers that think you become a ‘hated gringo’ in south america, i just have to laugh, you are SO indoctrinated & brinwashed.
keep paying your taxes to the man & thinking you’ve got such a great country (tho’ it used to be just that), me and asoka will do the living for you, far from the maddening crowd.
…two nights ago, sipping cold beer with the locals at our cantina on our block after the week’s work, everyone impromptu decided to buy 20 pounds of the world’s finest beef and a cuppla cases of beer, we moseyed over to our place, opened the garage and barbequed til 1.30 a.m. with the music loudish and lots of joking (tho’ i still have trouble understanding the gist at times) and ten couldn’t-be-nicer souls plus my brown honey. bliss.
one of the young ladies in the ‘hood is having a birfday soon, all the neighborhood’s talking about where we’ll have it, how much meat/beer/food to bring. this is called community, which i think asoka has plenty of in his neck of latin/central america, and i have joyously plent of here in southern brazil, far from the necrotic, cancerous usa.
it’s simple, uncomplicated, no permits needed (neighboring bolivia just ruled that no one need to register or document any vehicles in that country anymore, just drive), friendly as hell (you are a ‘brother’ and loved within 2 minutes, you always kiss when you meet, sometimes the men too, and don’t knock it, it’s THE best way of meeting and bonding).
i’d die for these folks, they’re sincere, laced with troubles like anyone else, yet have a warmth not to be found in the states, and they’ll share their last plate of food with you, and so will i.
adieu friends & inimigos
THANKS AMR
Darn, what a bummer. frustrating for you.
I would have liked it I am sure.
🙂
Blacks are just as predjudiced against us as we are them. Meaning some of us and them.
Check this out: There was a black neighbor who liked me, and I worked with a black woman, I told her about it and her response was “yeah they like white girls cuz you put up with their crap.”
food for thought. I didn’t think too much about it.
i have always stayed within my own race, except i love CATS, but that is a species.
didn’t want more trouble than already had. also never fell in love with anyone different. what’s love got to do with it? anyway…..i don’t judge people for inter racial marriage, love is love. i don’t even think about it all that much.
my husband can’t stand to see white girls with black guys. stereotypes all of them. it depends on the people. decent people come in all colors.
Some of my favorite people are Black. I remember the reading the book BLACK LIKE ME, in grade school.
I couldn’t understand why people would treat someone different JUST because of their skin color. My father was racist.
Whites are becoming the minority. oh oh we in big trouble !
Now have you seen the commercial, it was years ago the little ole lady falls in her home, and she can’t get up, so she pushes the lifeline button she has on her neck, and says ‘help i’ve fallen and i can’t get up!’ and someone comes to her rescue ?
after that i heard the saying “help I’m white and I can’t GET DOWN !” I love it, so true. I don’t care what anyone says WE AIN’T GOT THE RYTHEM THING DOWN. know what I mean, think about it.
They aren’t all bad Vlad.
you asked a question, is it okay to like your own race better ? yeah why not. don’t have to think too much on that one.
when i watch americas most wanted i always think that it would be easier to catch someone or identify someone of your own race. i would have a hard time trying to identify hispanics especially with hoodies. or blacks.
easier for hispanics to id other hispanics etc.
just me thinking out loud.
i don’t think white is The Superior Race.
shit just look at what’s his name Cheney.
scarey. i don’t give this topic a whole lotta thought, except about gangs. cuz they are in the neighborhood.
Scrolled forever to find this again and respond.
Hot Topic for me. anyway well if I HAD acted on my INTUITION which was talking to me, and gotten out of there (if i could have) i wouldn’t have been raped. i was young and naive.
Intuition is very important to listen to.
But with rape it doesn’t always matter. Some guy pulls you from the bushes etc.
Interesting thought, I have a guy friend and he is a big guy, and he says he feels threatened in the world. I never imagined guys feeling threatened. I was 35 at the time he told me that.
yes it bothers me now that I am older to know that so many girls are so naive and the danger they put themselves in.
there is rape and there is rape. some is for sex, some is for Power Over her.
I don’t want to get to much more into this.
I wish girls were better educated on this subject. I have alot of thoughts.
BTW some women are self educating.
It sounds to me like you think women are dumb.
Because you say if this happened to men they would self educate. identify threats and situations, and never lapse into a victim mentality of helplessness. NEVER ?
You are VICTIM BLAMING. It’s not her fault she was raped. It was his fault HE RAPED HER.
we ARE too trusting for sure, and that puts us in bad stupid situations. date rape drugs help.
Nothing to do with Peak Oil. oh well.
time for me to drown my sorrows and go swimming.
I would talk more about this but it’s nothing with Peak Oil so probably better not, also too close to home.
LAST !