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The Choices We Make

     The misalignment of politics and reality threatens to scuttle both major parties, but it’s especially gratifying to see the Republicans sail off the edge of their own flat earth on the winds of religious idiocy. For forty years it has not been enough for them to just be a conservative party. They had to enlist the worst elements of ignorance and reaction, and they found an endless supply of it in the boom regions of the Sunbelt with its brotherhood of TV evangelist con-artists and a population fretful with suburban angst.
     Now, in the last hours of the cheap oil economy, the forty year miracle of the Sunbelt boom dwindles and a fear of approaching darkness grips the people there like a rumor of Satan. The long boom that took them from an agricultural backwater of barefoot peasantry to a miracle world of Sonic Drive-ins, perpetual air-conditioning, WalMarts, and creation museums is turning back in the other direction and they fear losing all that comfort, convenience, and spectacle. Since they don’t understand where it came from, they conclude that it was all a God-given endowment conferred upon them for their exceptional specialness as Americans, and so only the forces of evil could conspire to take it all away.
    Hence, the rise of a sanctimonious, hyper-patriotic putz such as Rick Santorum and his take-back-the-night appeal to those who sense the gathering twilight. And the awful ordeal of convictionless pander and former front-runner Mitt Romney drowning in his own bullshit as he struggles to extrude one whopper after another just to keep up with the others in this race to the bottom of the political mud-flow.
     There is an obvious dither backstage now among those who cynically thought they could manipulate and control these dark impulses of the frightened masses as the candidates all pile into a train wreck of super-PAC obloquy. Won’t some level-headed adult like the governors of New Jersey and Indiana step up and volunteer? Is this finally its Whig Moment – the point where the Republican Party has offended history so gravely that it goes up in a vapor of its own absurdity? I hope so. The conservative impulse is hardly all bad. We need it in civilization. But it can’t be vested in the sheer and constant repudiation of reality.
      The opposing Democrats have their own problem with reality, which is that they don’t tell the truth about so many things despite knowing better, and, under Obama, they act contrary to their stated intentions often enough, and in matters of extreme importance, that they deserve to go down in flames, too. Just as there is a place for conservatism in civilized life, there is also a place for the progressive impulse, let’s call it – for making bold advance in step with the mandates of reality and an interest in justice for all those along on the journey. 
     The Democrats under Obama don’t want to go to that place. They want to really go to the same place as the fretful Sunbelt fundamentalists, but by a different route – and that place is yesterday, by means of a campaign to sustain the unsustainable. Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded ass of what’s left of that economy. He pretends to an interest in the rule of law in money matters but he’s done everything possible to prevent the Department of Justice, the SEC, and a dozen other regulatory authorities from functioning the way they were designed. He has never suggested resurrecting the Glass-Steagall act, which kept banking close to being honest for forty years. He never issued a peep of objection about the Citizens United case where the Supreme Court tossed the election process into a crocodile pit of corporate turpitude (he could have proposed a constitutional amendment redefining corporate “personhood.”). He declared he’d never permit a super-PAC to be created in his name, and now he’s got one. Mr. Obama represents a lot of things to a lot of people. He is mainly Progressivism’s bowling trophy, its symbol of its own triumphant wonderfulness in overcoming the age old phantoms of race prejudice. Alas, that’s not enough. Where exactly is the boundary between telling “folks” what they want to hear and just flat-out lying?
     Neither party can articulate the current reality, which is that we have to reorganize civilization pretty drastically. I’ve reviewed that agenda many times in this space and it largely amounts to rebuilding local economies at a smaller and finer scale. That is just not on the table for all current leadership, or even in the room. If neither party can frame an agenda consistent with that reality, then we’ll have to get there without them, probably after a very rough period when the pretending still lingers in the air like a bad odor and no reality-based consensus is able to form, no agreement about what we should do. That’s the period when a lot of things fall apart and people get hurt. These are the choices we’re making right now.

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  1. kulturcritic* February 20, 2012 at 9:54 am #

    James – The distractions just keep mounting… while the drums of war get louder, and Athens Burns!

  2. myrtlemay February 20, 2012 at 9:55 am #


  3. Onthego February 20, 2012 at 9:56 am #

    This is what End of Empire always looks like from the inside.

  4. Cabra1080 February 20, 2012 at 9:58 am #

    The politicians are practicing “Doublethink”.

  5. Jimmy Drinkwater February 20, 2012 at 9:59 am #

    The media is rolling out the $5@gal gasoline stories again. Gee, someone must have tipped them.

  6. myrtlemay February 20, 2012 at 10:00 am #

    Okay, second. Looks like JHK has once again decided to tar and feather the South. Talk about prejudice!

  7. lbendet February 20, 2012 at 10:02 am #

    Thanks JHK,
    Yes it feels like the Repugs are going so deeply reactionary that they are turning back the clocks on women’s rights and health and science.
    It isn’t just about wiping out progressivism it’s about codifying into law Catholic and Protetant Fundamentalism and actually Santorium attacked traditional Protestants who are more liberal in political orientation. That’s the next front of attack.
    I am looking forward to hearing how the mainstream Protestants will respond.

  8. lbendet February 20, 2012 at 10:03 am #

    One more post which I wrote after hearing Max Keiser’s interview with Charles Hugh Smith:
    Stasi Meets Reality TV
    What is the state of the union–you know, the one that Obama would never tell you in his address? I have mentioned previously the nexus where Stasi and reality TV meet, but I will build on it a bit, thanks to Max Keiser and Charles Hugh Smith, his guest on Keiser’s posting yesterday.
    Yes, this country has moved from being the military industrial complex that produced wealth to a military security complex, thanks to our economic theorists in the laboratory of think tanks and universities. We are now a globalized “post-industrial-service economy”. The open borders you all discuss, the highly managed trade where the banks and transnationals are risk-immune –all dubbed free market trade. It’s all about driving down the costs of human resources globally.
    The keytonic economy does not produce wealth, but instead sucks wealth up to the top and the top in turn monazites all human activity. Hence the surveillance economy that has mushroomed ever so quietly in the name of the War on Terror. I also mentioned this phenomena re: Dana Priest coverage of “Top Secret America” where even the Congress doesn’t know how much of our tax dollars have gone into this–for security purposes you know. They are utilizing the web, google and social networking sites as their way into our daily lives to scrutinize out activities.
    Well, you knew getting onto websites for free was too good to be true. Now people are being offered money ($5.00) to be followed by Google. And people go for it. Gee, it feels like entertainment, but don’t pirate anything on the web you could go to jail. As I just said on FB on a friend’s post today: This is a military security complex and Google is the little engine that could.
    While our Rep. spinmeisters call their brand LIBERTY, they tell us that we have to cut government spending and they are going to draw more blood from the middle class, never mentioning in the discussion this new bureaucracy developed after 911 for our own good. And we all thought the Reps hated bureaucracies. Untold Billions of dollars are being poured into this so people in the tony outskirts of DC, who Keiser points out have a 1.4% unemployment rate can walk to work and keep track of our lives for gainful employment.
    So far only the government agencies have produced anything having to do with security, but that hasn’t dampened the trend.
    This is what happens when a country’s leadership goes rogue. They become paranoid and feel they have to make sure nobody will counter them. As I always say everything gets set-up for the eventuality and in this case, Obama signed the The Defense authorization bill. Games set and match…. American can be treated like terrorists, law enforcement will have access to drones to fight crime. Yesterday I heard that on MSNBC that the elite now global NYC police are tracking the activities of Islamic student in Pennsylvania! Our liberties are truly on the chopping block all in the name of the war on terror.
    In the Keiser CHS interview Smith discusses his idea of fractals and suggests that in a country run by criminals we can only expect that sensibility to filter down throughout society.

  9. RyeBeachBum February 20, 2012 at 10:03 am #

    I think the GOP nominee will be Mitt unless Santorium pulls out a win in say California, with its winner take al status, that would throw the GOP into a tail sin, because they all know he can not beat the uber vulnerable Obama. If that happens and Mitt can not win the nomination out right, then probably will see someone new, perhaps Mitch Daniels, or even JEB Bush, but the prospect of a Santorium Obama Mayor Mike (Multi billionaire) Bloomberg into the race as a Independent or third party alternative. With real unemployment at 15% and gas prices headed for $5 a gallon, he might just be able to win.

  10. Pucker February 20, 2012 at 10:05 am #

    “…the sheer and constant repudiation of reality.”
    I don’t know what to make of this? I guess that it makes sense? You have to go out and buy one, shop around, compare styles, sizes, colors, prices. You’d have to pay cash for it because you wouldn’t want a record of the purchase on your credit card. Then you’d have to blow it up, which would probably take a lot of time and energy. Then you’d have to deflate it, fold it up and hide it. I don’t know…. Weird….

  11. steve February 20, 2012 at 10:05 am #

    Oh, for heaven’s sake – cool off. you didn’t even mention the martyrdom of that great american hero, Whitney Houston

  12. RyeBeachBum February 20, 2012 at 10:06 am #

    Of course the parties are about to implode, and in four years the political landscape will look far different. This could very well be the last race with either of these two parties in as serious contenders.

  13. Smokyjoe February 20, 2012 at 10:10 am #

    Spot on target, Mr. K. Obama as Progressive “bowling trophy” is a priceless metaphor for our stupid times.
    This is also spot-on correct, even when uttered by a damned Yankee rascal:
    “Since they don’t understand where it came from, they conclude that it was all a God-given endowment conferred upon them for their exceptional specialness as Americans, and so only the forces of evil could conspire to take it all away.”
    How true. Once gasoline passes a certain mark, the “Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less” bullcrap appears on bumper stickers and the “end the EPA” lunacy runs in the op-ed pages.
    We Southerners are led by men who remind me of Philip II in Spain, squandering the Imperial wealth on foreign wars and stupid edifices the treasury cannot sustain. Sprawl is our El Escorial, and these Southern GOP pols are the bandy-legged dwarf-kings in residence.
    We forgot the small family farm here at our peril, in a place where you cannot stop food from growing from the debris that collects in your rain gutters.
    And thus, the South leads the Empire into decline and fall.

  14. newworld February 20, 2012 at 10:11 am #

    Consider that half the people who vote Dem have an IQ around 90, what kind of civilization could one build? The people here cannot even bother to ask that kind of question, instead believing that everyone has post grad studies under their belt.
    So there we have it, half the Dems create modern Detroits and the other half of the Dems live in college campus land with its 10% per anum tuition hikes. Reality indeed.

  15. keny February 20, 2012 at 10:11 am #

    Jim–your talk in Aurora, NY–is that August or April? A typo? Lemme know, I wanna be there.

  16. Treadreview February 20, 2012 at 10:14 am #

    I think status quo will go a very long way before we see either party fall apart. The desire for normalcy is very very powerful.

  17. Smokyjoe February 20, 2012 at 10:14 am #

    Forgot my geopolitical p.s. after my other b.s.:
    Meanwhile, the war drums in the Gulf beat louder, but at least Southerners can find Iran on a map…it is next to Iraq where many poor young men, who once would have worked on a farm or in a textile mill or mine, went to serve.
    Unless some adults step up soon, Iran will trump all other stories this summer, and $5 per gallon gas will be the stuff of fond memories.

  18. Smokyjoe February 20, 2012 at 10:16 am #

    “Consider that half the people who vote Dem have an IQ around 90”
    Evidence please?

  19. lbendet February 20, 2012 at 10:17 am #

    He (O) never issued a peep of objection about the Citizens United case where the Supreme Court tossed the election process into a crocodile pit of corporate turpitude –JHK
    That’s actually not true. Obama in his state of the Union address in 2011 did complain about that decision and proclaimed that foreign interests could make a foray into our political system re: silent monetary contributions. Judge Alito seen in the audience mouthed the words not true and shook his head.
    The fact that he has done nothing about it shows how little follow-through he has on anything.

  20. TrE February 20, 2012 at 10:18 am #

    That neither party “is articulating” reality does not mean that those in charge of the parties do not “understand” reality. Like Jim, I’m allergic to conspiracy theories, though certainly more is understood, discussed behind closed doors, and revealed than we ever later hear about.
    I often wonder if Obama, Bush, and other decisionmakers in media, business, and politics are in fact fully aware of the converging crises, and that their action (and inaction) might in fact be part of a long, careful, calculated, and carefully-executed strategy of managed descent/soft landing.
    Carefully releasing information–even manipulated and contradictory information (both positive and negative)–has been building our tolerance of volatility and expectation of disaster (financial and otherwise) for more than ten years now.
    This has built the awareness of more people over time. Eventually, when extend-and-pretend is no longer feasible, more and more people will be prepared, potentially making a possible crash less of a surprise (and, be extension, less severe).

  21. bubbleheadMarc February 20, 2012 at 10:22 am #

    There certainly is a good deal of make believe going on today. For one thing, Barack Obama is not really “black”. Then of course he adapted double quick to Dubya’s old job while forgetting lots of other stuff. And now he’s Wall Street’s head cheerleader kind of like old Dubya was a cheerleader at Andover or wherever. So perhaps Obama’s inner WASP is coming out now. Guess those of us who could’ve used national health insurance are pretty much FUBARed then. And of course another credit card cum home equity boom is just around the corner. What we really need is a cheap model of prefab bullet proofed home for federally backed urban homesteading including correspondence courses on farming abandoned inner city neighborhoods in the wilds of Detroit and Cleveland and Buffalo with a bonus section on trapping of newly returned wild animals.

  22. And So it Goes February 20, 2012 at 10:22 am #

    Thank you Jim for a wonderful post.
    Well said,,,
    Well Done,,,

  23. spencerpsn February 20, 2012 at 10:25 am #

    I think you underestimate the resilience of the establishment institutions James. Sure karmic justice and the pressing needs of sanity scream for the destruction of the Republican and Democratic Parties. However their sheer dominating bulk, their entrenched position within a system they have remade around themselves and their crushing historic momentum mean that they just can’t and won’t break.
    Imaging that we can somehow force the corroded machinery of our “democratic processes” to do what it was suppose to do and allow us to enact a revolution without blood in the interests of our societies is wishful thinking at best. Our centralised governments have become untameable monsters which will not be yoked to the service of the people at any price or by any means. The system can not be reformed, it must be destroyed.
    Sadly we are, as a citizenry, far too stupid and cowardly to be able to enact that necessary creative destruction. So we are left mere spectators, observing the endurance contest between society and the elites to see which can longest hold on in the face of the consequences of our collective fucktardry. From everything we have seen so far it would seem the elites will easily keep themselves firmly in control all the way to the bottom after which it won’t matter anyway.

  24. Brian Morrissey February 20, 2012 at 10:30 am #

    Well, Obama did squawk briefly about the CU decision at the 2010 SOTU address, but we all knew it was rhetorical grandstanding, and he hasn’t said anything about it since…even, as you point out, taking advantage of it himself by forming his own Super PAC and breaking yet another promise.
    Count me out for the Presidential election.

  25. Dirk February 20, 2012 at 10:36 am #

    JK wrote” they conclude that it was all a God-given endowment conferred upon them for their exceptional specialness as Americans, and so only the forces of evil could conspire to take it all away.”
    I agree with you on this, James, with the proviso that I do not see this as purely a Southern or necessarily a religious thing, though I do believe the ‘religious right’ (aka Southern Baptist in various renditions) has been most vocal in promoting the ‘health and wealth’ Gospel of America. This entire entitlement issue is, to me, more of an American thing with amorphous ‘Christian’ overtones, smacking of Manifest Destiny. Essentially the manifesto states that we are ‘blessed’ because of our quasi-Christian leanings (heavily toward the support of all things Israel, I might add) and that God MUST approve of America; just look at our wonderful American dream suburbia Wal-Mart stock market make a profit comfy retirement vacation home on the lake economy!!! It is absolutely outside the realm of conceivability, as far as the east is from the west, for 99% of Americans to grasp the debt and breadth of what faces us. When I even mention it, eyes glaze over and hands go over the ears while voices utter “la, la, la, can’t hear you!!!” Small wonder the term ‘compressive deflationary contraction’ is so far from the minds of…well…everyone. Who could grasp it and who wants to??
    Well…I do not think America is ‘blest’ at all. I think we are accursed and on the eve of accountability for our decadence, perhaps by this God we claim to trust. Now, by that I don’t mean we are being ‘punished’, rather this is simply a logical and predictable conclusion to a period in human history; just another civilization who thought they would go on forever and, like all the others that came before, did not. It is neither good nor bad… just is.

  26. pedal pusher February 20, 2012 at 10:38 am #

    The ‘bowling trophy metaphor’ is golden.
    “Yep, now that we’ve got a black elected, let’s knock back a couple of cold ones and relax.”

  27. Hugh Culliton February 20, 2012 at 10:45 am #

    I just finished watching a clip of Santorum’s Face the Nation interview from yesterday. Holy fu*k! Methinks your assessment of the Republicans is a tad mild. That man as president would endanger the entire planet, in a nuclear way – not just in a magical environmental fairy tale way. I agree with you about Obama and the Dems though. Both parties and the entire political system have been bought and paid for by the corporate interests. I honestly don’t know if the system is salvageable. Whatever happens, the US has certainly chosen the rockiest, thorn-and-snake filled path to the future.

  28. orbit7er February 20, 2012 at 10:46 am #

    Interesting that the front page of the Wall Street Journal last Thursday had the headline “Oil price rises threaten recovery” while the NT Times had a similar front page story on Sunday.

    Oil prices already recrossed $100 per barrel despite a 5% drop in US oil consumption and drop in EU oil consumption as the banksters squeeze tribute from EU citizens.
    Auto mileage dropped 2.5% in the last report.

    Yet nary a word about Peak Oil, just delusional stories about unlimited Bakken Shale Oil and Marcus Shale Natural Gas. I spoke to yet another progressive yesterday fundraising for Planned Parenthood who had never heard of Peak Oil but was
    fascinated as if it was a revelation.

    Watched the “Ides of March” by liberals George Clooney and Leonardo DiCaprio in which the big change promoted by the courageous progressive Presidential candidate is electric cars in 10 years.

    Meanwhile the Teabaggers in full denial mode present the HR-7 Transportation Bill to totally cut the Green public transit Federal funding of Ronald Reagan!!

    I suppose perhaps when gas hits $6 per gallon in some places Americans will wake up??

  29. Steve knox February 20, 2012 at 10:46 am #

    As always you get right to the heart of the matter. Both parties have failed us, and neither can see it. The smugness of my Democratic friends is nautiating. They have a sense of superiority that is not deserved. I don’t even bother to discuss issues with my Republican friends. They speak from a world that I don’t care to visit. I worry that by 2016 it will be too late.

  30. anglo February 20, 2012 at 10:47 am #

    His comments are obviously prejudiced regarding the southern states but they also hold a great deal of truth. You cannot deny all the points he itemised, idiotic religious lunatics, Fox news adherence, racial intolerance etc. etc. Perhaps you’d do better focusing your despair on those who warrant it.

  31. upstatebob February 20, 2012 at 10:48 am #

    The south tarred and feathered themselves. -Go take a look.
    The north has a few mental infants but not on the scale of the sunbelt. They embraced the credit card new world like a delicious
    treat, building Disney style McShacks nearly touching each other with no thought of sustainability. The north has litterbugs but in the south it appears that the roadside and every little path into the woods is a good place to toss your cast offs…. -that is, for the more ambitious, the rest just toss it into the yard or layer it around the countless little shelters they erect to save their “valuable” crap.
    Lawn? what’s that? -oh yeah, the place you park the non functional
    junkers, bass and pontoon boats and the ubiquitous 55gal meat cooker. It baffles me why the most disastrous looking enclaves have chain link fences with the “private property” and “no trespassing” signs all around. -like there is anything worth stealing within.

  32. ozone February 20, 2012 at 10:49 am #

    Mr. James concludes:
    “Neither party can articulate the current reality, which is that we have to reorganize civilization pretty drastically. I’ve reviewed that agenda many times in this space and it largely amounts to rebuilding local economies at a smaller and finer scale. That is just not on the table for all current leadership, or even in the room. If neither party can frame an agenda consistent with that reality, then we’ll have to get there without them, probably after a very rough period when the pretending still lingers in the air like a bad odor and no reality-based consensus is able to form, no agreement about what we should do. That’s the period when a lot of things fall apart and people get hurt. These are the choices we’re making right now.”
    Yessir, this (and the entirety of the piece) is a superlative cold, hard stare into the abyss of the current zeitgeist.
    Since all are determined to squeeze their eyes shut in hopes that “it all goes away”, I see no hope for a controlled contraction… other than control by gun-barrel to protect the physical assets of the ruling class/crass.
    If the “eyes wide shut” approach continues to sail the earthship into the overshoot/under-thought iceberg, we must prepare for something we tend to consider far too seldom: PANIC. You don’t know what that means unless you’ve been in a situation where most everyone but yourself [and a small handful of others] is in full panic mode. It’s a truly savage thing to witness, and I’d urge those who haven’t done a damn thing to prepare for shortages in hopes the gravy train chugs along forever, to get your mind right if nothing else. Believe me, panic trumps rational thought and empathetic dignity by an unscalable margin.

  33. Widespreadpanic7 February 20, 2012 at 10:49 am #

    Jim, you forgot to mention Obama’s weekly $38,000 per plate campaign fundraising trips to both coasts. Even the Chicago Tribune took note of the logistics and expense involved in such endeavors. Last week he was in both LA & New York chowing down with the wealthiest people in the United States — the hated 1% … this week no doubt he will be giving speeches to us plebes out in the hinterlands (not just the South but anywhere not LA, NY or Washington) exhorting the ‘Rich’ to “pay there fair share”. The plan seems to be play both ends against the middle.

  34. orbit7er February 20, 2012 at 10:50 am #

    About the Powers that Be knowing more about reality than they let on publicly:

    I had a talk about Peak Oil with a coworker who readily accepted. She used to work for Exxon in Florham Park, NJ years ago and said they were projecting even back then oil prices of $130 per barrel. But of course none of the workers were supposed to talk about that…

    Happy Motoring forever!

  35. confederate February 20, 2012 at 10:51 am #

    Whoa, wait a minute! Why is the south being blamed for that idiot Santorum who is a damn Yankee from Pennsylvania ( yeah he was born in Virginia but the jerk was raised in Penn.). The only Southern state to vote yet is SC and they went for the idiot Newt. Blame Colorado, Minn., Missouri,(more mid-west than southern) and Iowa, and what looks to be Michigan!! Damn Jim, EVEYTHING can’t be the south’s fault!

  36. ozone February 20, 2012 at 10:55 am #

    Your reaction time is slowin’ down.
    No worries, we luvs ya still, and have noticed as life goes on that second is sometimes far better than the naivety and nervous fumbling of “first”!

  37. Truckee February 20, 2012 at 10:56 am #

    great american hero, Whitney Houston ?? Today’s article is about being honest.. And while Whitney did a lot of great things she was a criminal and in her own part responsible for the cartel violence and deaths in mexico (and US) like all the other drug users. Stand up for those you hurt.

  38. h7m1s7g1 February 20, 2012 at 10:57 am #

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  39. mika. February 20, 2012 at 10:57 am #

    Excellent post, spencerpsn.
    Stupid and cowardly and craven and dishonest and greedy, it’s Orwell’s Animal Farm fractal from top to bottom.

  40. sevenmmm February 20, 2012 at 11:01 am #

    That is why politics, as a word, meaningfully describes an ugly corruption of influence and power over humans.
    I have lately remarked – on another forum – a proper end to all this would be a civil war, republicans against the democrats. Find some nice table top farming land, surrounded by forests, and give them enough powder and ball to do them all in.
    I bet the human taxpayers would even front the money for opposing red and blue uniforms.

  41. deni February 20, 2012 at 11:01 am #

    The Germans aspired to becoming “The Master Race”. Americans truly believe they are. Oh, yeah, before one forgets, the comment about “…level-headed adults…” referring to the governor of New Jersey should be re-examined. Seems he’s involved in a vicious smear campaign against a potential rival which is no great shake in itself; but laws were broken along the way and let’s hope that the “level-headed adult”, Mr. Christie, loses his in any subsequent legal follow up. But like everything these days concerned with maintaining the law – it’s a hit or miss proposition.

  42. kulturcritic* February 20, 2012 at 11:02 am #

    I do…

  43. cscott February 20, 2012 at 11:03 am #

    It is becoming very clear the age of cheap oil is coming quickly to a close (6-8% drop in demand for US yet sustained $100/b) and there is real recovery going on. Great post Jim. Thanks.

  44. Jack Cass February 20, 2012 at 11:11 am #

    The only thing that will save the people of this country now is decentralization and secession. Unfortunately, the author is a big fan of central planning and an even bigger fan of bashing the South. The neocons will have to start a hipster draft to find more fodder for their wars for Israel. Let the north eastern effete, skinny-jeaned, SWPL try to grow their own food, build their own houses and fix their own cars! That should be good for many a laugh! What is it that they produce in Manhattan and DC again? Oh yeah, I remember, absolutely nothing of value.
    I nominate Ron Paul for Grand Poobah of the New Confederacy!

  45. Brian Morrissey February 20, 2012 at 11:12 am #

    Don’t forget Obama’s “healthcare reform” which simultaneously managed to increase the amount of customers for private insurers without reforming anything about American’s actual HEALTH or their HEALTHCARE.
    Not one word of reform for our Department of Agriculture being run outright through a revolving door connecting it to the corner offices of ConAgra and ADM or the fact that our highway system is 95% taxpayer subsidized by transit has a national farebox recovery ratio of more than 30%. Meanwhile Transportation Enhancement (biking and walking grants) are laughed at because 1.7% of total funding is a laughable amount to expect any return on investment in making a meaningful amount of people feel safe in traffic.

  46. sooty February 20, 2012 at 11:15 am #

    Jeez, if you’re going to use this space for your own gratuitously long-winded blog post, could we have some attention to detail? If you’re talking about the metabolic function, it’s “ketonic,” not “keytonic”; the singular is “phenomenon”; and that’s as far as I got before you lost any cred.

  47. cscott February 20, 2012 at 11:15 am #

    Correction:No real recovery.

  48. Dirty CT February 20, 2012 at 11:17 am #

    I disagree with H7M1S7G1 when they said:?????????????????????????? 500 ??????3C ????????????????????????? ??? ROUND3.??????????? ????——????????????? ???????QQ??????? ????27.90?.
    “Round3” maybe?! but ‘QQ’ and ‘27.90’… Never!!! Another fine post Mr.JHK.

  49. Qshtik February 20, 2012 at 11:18 am #

    Looks like JHK has once again decided to tar and feather the South. Talk about prejudice!
    Myrtle, you lived most your life up north, if I recall. You have to admit, as a target for insult, “the South” is the lowest hanging fruit.
    I mean, take for example this past Saturday morning. I was clearing dishes off the counter top as my wife clicked over to a different TV channel. I’m paying no attention whatsoever but I hear a familiar voice. Without looking I know exactly who it is. With a voice scientifically calculated to be fifteen hundred and seventeen times as sweet as natural sugar Paula Dean says “today I’ll be preparing shreee-ummp.”
    The dishes clatter onto the granite as I can’t move fast enough to rip the remote from my wife’s hand and hit the mute button.
    I am in such disbelief that anyone actually talks like this that I rush to my laptop and enter in the Google block “Paula Dean biography.” I MUST find out where this woman is from! What geographical area and society produces such an extreme twang. Well, I might have known it (apologies to Tripp and Prog), JAWJUH!

  50. Widespreadpanic7 February 20, 2012 at 11:21 am #

    Thanks for the invite BeanTownBill. Sorry to say right now I’m working 10 hour shifts and won’t be able to make it. Lots of luck down there in Ledyard on Wednesday!
    I was thinking later on this spring … there is a cool little bar not far from the Mass. Pike in SW Mass. near a town called New Boston in a place called Roosterville (Yes, Roosterville!) … OzonePs territory and RipThunder is not far either — maybe we could meet up there some Saturday afternoon and toss back a few. Its close enough to New York maybe even Ibendet could come up with her husband — a weekend in the Berkshires. I’d like to meet that lady.

  51. Zanrak February 20, 2012 at 11:23 am #

    I recall reading a couple of years ago on, that economists felt that once oil rose above the $50-$60 a barrel range, that economies that import oil would go into recession. Perhaps that assessment was wrong. ‘Course, I’ll bet it’s right…. One just wonders how this will all go down in the next 5 – 10 years. Lot’s of speculation here – & I could too – but no doubt, it’s ridiculous how dumbstruck most people are going to be.
    BTW, that chinese comment above was really good! Jim may need some remedial creative writing classes to compete with that….

  52. Donny-Don February 20, 2012 at 11:26 am #

    I adore Kunstler’s inimitable writing style. And broadly speaking, I concur with his prognosis for the inevitable long slide into oblivion of the “happy-motoring” society we’ve grown up with, with all the pain and angst that transition will entail.
    But what the hell is up with Kunstler’s perennial prediction of that the Dow Jones average will end the year at 4,000??? He’s been predicting this annually for at least five or six years now, by my count. It’s like waiting on a California mountaintop each Jan 1 for the Raelian intergalactic spaceships to arrive. Because meanwhile, since Obama took office, the Dow has risen from 8,000 to nearly 13,000.
    Now, before y’all jump in with your predictable responses and waving of fists, please note: I’m NOT saying the Dow is the same thing as the economy (it ain’t). I’m NOT saying that 13,000 today is equivalent to 13,000 in 2007 (with inflation, it ain’t). I’m NOT saying that everything is hunky-dory (it ain’t).
    I’m just saying that Kunstler is a moron when it comes to predicting the future of the stock market. I’m glad that I’ve consistently ignored him — my hand-picked stock and bond investments have done very handsomely over the last decade, thank you.

  53. lemme howdt February 20, 2012 at 11:28 am #

    what is this thing that you are calling consensus reality? how many people live in their own delusion and is there anything wrong with that? can we tease out the broken bits and actually find a reality – or would that scare the beegeebers out of us? Inquiring minds want to know.

  54. charliefoxtrot February 20, 2012 at 11:36 am #

    honest, huh? ask yourself who is responsible for those cartels’ very existence? no, ask me, cuz you obviously don t know the answer…well, what makes the ‘drug’ trade so profitable, and therefore of interest to those cartels? the obvious fact that they are illegal, and unregulated…so why are plants that have been used for thousands, if not tens of thousands of years for food, medicine, and pleasure illegal- while literally hundreds of thousands of people die every year from drugs that are legal, and pushed relentlessly on us all…? and do you remember the iran/contra fiasco? to refresh your memory, pres reagan, vp bush, and their lackeys, were literally flooding our cities with cocaine to buy weapons from in order to arm death squads which were propping up one of the worst dictators in modern history…honestly…and before you judge ms houston too harshly, according to reports, didn t they find xanax, among other legal chemicals in her hotel room…?

  55. Qshtik February 20, 2012 at 11:42 am #

    could we have some attention to detail?
    Thanks Sooty for filling in. I usually handle the grammar, spelling and usage trollwork around here but since I rarely read the blogs of others (than Kunstler) who are here shamelessly piggy-backing off his work I wouldn’t be aware of the issues you raised. I am proud to say, for example, that I have NEVER ONCE clicked on Kulturcritic’s link.
    I don’t know you but already I feel we are brothers (siblings?) in a common cause.

  56. third_martini_banter February 20, 2012 at 11:43 am #

    Every week I look forward to JHK’s delightfully-entertaining black-humored take on the state of the world and our maddeningly-stupid, dear declining US of A. And I often also read these comments and find some good nuggets therein — it’s where I discovered Joe Bageant for example, with whom I shared a nice correspondence before he died.
    But there’s a common thread that runs through Jim’s commentary and that of many commenters here: that some kind of apocalyptic reckoning is always just-around-the-corner. These Mad-Max scenarios get the blood flowing in the brain on a grey Monday morning, but I would like to put forward the proposition, to Jim and the other sky-is-falling proponents, that the American juggernaut will go out not with a bang but a whimper.
    Sure it’s fun to conjure visions of waves of Confederate flag-waving NASCAR yahoos converging on the Hamptons in their jacked-up Ford F-250s, intent on their own brand of reclaiming some portion of what’s been expropriated from the 99% — or at least 95% — over the past few decades. (Despite the Confederate demographic’s outsized role in promoting the nation’s decline by voting disproportionately for the worst exploiters of ignorance & bigotry in the land.)
    But isn’t it more likely that things will just unravel slowly, as they have in fact been unraveling since my childhood in the midwest in the 60s? The US is a huge, immensely wealthy country. Comparisons to, say Weimar Germany, while provocative, have to be tempered by several important realities. We could begin with the fact that the US has not lost a significant percentage of its population of 18-30 year-old males in a pointless trench-warfare debacle, followed by inflation so breath-taking that in the space of a few years a loaf of bread cost more than a fine estate.
    Even $10-a-gallon gas doesn’t come close to this kind of abrupt national catastrophe.
    So, how about it: who will debate the proposition that the US may be in for a continued nasty decline, but that it will be far more gradual and less dramatic than most here seem to believe? And perhaps, rather than stocking up on canned goods & ammo, most of us can just keep on keeping-on and life won’t be as comfortable as it has been, but neither will the major American political and economic institutions collapse to the point where social chaos ensues?

  57. newworld February 20, 2012 at 11:46 am #

    The MSM’s drumbeat of coverage of the “racial gap in testing.” Blacks and hispanics scoring way worse on standardized tests and to some leftists this is an outrage, the MSM covers this in minute details. And these tests are taken by the blacks and hispanics who stay in high school, and according to the LATimes 50% of hispanic males drop out of school in LA the hispanic capitol of America.
    All you liberals say that people in the South are stupid, but then again you never ask the racial statistics. Mississippi is 40% black, you folks think that demographic group is comprised of post grad studies students?
    Honestly the Left is a reactionary blob of tit babies, how ironic. A bunch of half educated snobs who quote the Blank Slate Theory likes its gospel while everything in this country is turning into Detroit.

  58. Steve M. February 20, 2012 at 11:48 am #

    “[Obama] “never issued a peep of objection about the Citizens United case where the Supreme Court tossed the election process into a crocodile pit of corporate turpitude (he could have proposed a constitutional amendment redefining corporate “personhood.”).”
    No, not never. He came out against it in his 2010 State Of the Union address, much to Justice Alito’s discomfort, right after the decision was handed down.
    “[Obama] declared he’d never permit a super-PAC to be created in his name, and now he’s got one.”
    For Obama, adhering to the old rules while Republicans follow the new ones would be like bringing a knife to a gun fight. How else would it be a fair fight if Obama DIDN’T create a super-PAC?

  59. Consultant February 20, 2012 at 11:49 am #

    Great post Jim.
    Few people want to give up their beliefs. Not easily at least. But I think the pace of change over the last 40 years has been so swift, I think it’s going to startle all of us how quickly we get use to a leaner, tougher America.
    We won’t like it, but we’ll get use to it. We’ll have no choice.

  60. newworld February 20, 2012 at 12:01 pm #

    JHK is right, at anytime a yahoo of any political stripe could come along and become the next Idi Amin/Mugabe/Hitler.
    But that is not set in stone, in Chicago we elected a jewish hypocrite (liberal globalist/jewish nationalist) and he has a steady hand versus the usual black bafoons or hispanic bafoons, so Chicago will live for awhile longer at least. Not so Detroit or Philadelphia, they are on fast track for destruction. Never mind California, the only minds there are jewish of course and they are deluded by Hollywood, not informed by Straussian veltpolitik, leaving the golden state in the hands of goyimkopf like Moonbeam and the LaRaza goofballs.

  61. charliefoxtrot February 20, 2012 at 12:03 pm #

    doesn t that last bit presupose that it is a fight, rather than an increasingly glaring puppet show…? if you look at actions, there is little difference in ideology besides who the two ‘sides’ are playing to…

  62. charliefoxtrot February 20, 2012 at 12:05 pm #

    (sorry, premature click)…and no difference at all in who they are playing for

  63. third_martini_banter February 20, 2012 at 12:06 pm #

    Correction: the hyperinflation of Weimar Germany did not result in the cost of a loaf of bread rising that of a fine estate. Rather, the cost of a loaf of bread was equivalent to the annual budget of a major city.

  64. charliefoxtrot February 20, 2012 at 12:06 pm #

    (sorry, premature click)…and no difference at all in who they are playing for

  65. Zanrak February 20, 2012 at 12:09 pm #

    Have a fourth, sir!… Well put, if sad, as everyone loves a big bang…
    It’s a little like that Buddhist thought that you do the same old ordinary things to survive both before and after enlightenment. But $10 a gal (2017?), that’ll change the landscape…. On the radio in NY this morning they told about noticeable increases in home invasions on Long Island. I don’t worry, though, as I signed up for drone-home monitoring. Stops ’em in their tracks. And they clean it up, too!

  66. DeeJones February 20, 2012 at 12:12 pm #

    Good one again, Jim, you got the South all riled up. You forgot to mention the tatooed & pierced tho.
    And neworld, in comparison to what? Repub IQ of 60? 40?
    I think it all come back to the Truth, and ‘Mericans just can’t handle it.

  67. Donny-Don February 20, 2012 at 12:16 pm #

    Third Martini: Dude, it’s almost creepy how much your post sounds like one that I would have written! Your observations are spot-on, thanks for sharing.
    I share your sentiments — I too think we’re in for a long, slow slide, not an apocalyptic implosion of the kind that Kunstler thinks is (as you point out) always right around the corner.
    Unfortunately, projections of a long, slow slide don’t draw the same number of web visits or sell as many books as do projections of the coming apocalypse. Just ask any cable TV televangelist.

  68. third_martini_banter February 20, 2012 at 12:24 pm #

    I love a martini,
    Two at the very most.
    Three I’m under the table,
    Four and I’m under the host.
    — Dorothy Parker

  69. Qshtik February 20, 2012 at 12:27 pm #

    Watched the “Ides of March” by liberals George Clooney and Leonardo DiCaprio in which the big change promoted by the courageous progressive Presidential candidate is electric cars in 10 years.
    Yeah, saw it a month or so ago (though Caprio wasn’t in it) and it was excellent. One by one every character in the story fucked over somebody. “You too Brutus?”

  70. k-dog February 20, 2012 at 12:28 pm #

    If neither party can frame an agenda consistent with that reality, then we’ll have to get there without them, probably after a very rough period when the pretending still lingers in the air like a bad odor and no reality-based consensus is able to form, no agreement about what we should do.

    Sad but true, woof !!

  71. Truckee February 20, 2012 at 12:33 pm #

    You make good points but for now it is still the buyers of drugs that fuel the cartels and their violence because of the current circumstances. I for one agree with you that drugs do more harm when they are illegal. Make them legal and the prices would crash the taxes on them would rise. Just be ready to accept personal responsibly when or if your health is compromised. From reading these columns it seems becoming a ward of the state is a fading proposition. It is better that Whitney hurt herself than the folks in the way of the delivery service.

  72. BeantownBill February 20, 2012 at 12:33 pm #

    Sounds like a good idea.

  73. Mrs Beasley February 20, 2012 at 12:34 pm #

    “Since they don’t understand where it came from, they conclude that it was all a God-given endowment conferred upon them for their exceptional specialness as Americans, and so only the forces of evil could conspire to take it all away.”
    Gee you are a dullard. They understand all too well. Their fortunes came from the sweat of their collective brows. But what you fail to understand is there is a “God-given” element to our founding. It is what has made our American experiment unique. Our “unalienable rights” are those granted by God or a higher power. (Gaia, if you in your insipid splendiferous stupidity, wish.) And as those rights (life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness) are not granted by mere mortals, mere mortals can not take them away. So, moron, by definition, “…only the forces of evil could conspire to take it all away.”
    But you want to twist peoples’ fears of losing their unalienable rights as fear of losing Sonic Drive-ins and perpetual air conditioning and that ain’t the beef. And you know it isn’t. And that makes you a deceptive liar.

  74. BeantownBill February 20, 2012 at 12:49 pm #

    A reasonable comment, but I think you’re overlooking just one factor, otherwise I’d agree with you completely: The US is not a closed system. We interact with the rest of the world, and that changes the ballgame. We’re starting wars in the mid-east, Europe is in trouble, China is our biggest creditor, and Japan is going down the tubes, socially, economically and environmentally. There has to be blowbacks from other parts of the globe, and some of them may have dire consequences for us, the severity of which may be much greater than what we do to ourselves.

  75. Mrs Beasley February 20, 2012 at 12:50 pm #

    “Yes it feels like the Repugs are going so deeply reactionary that they are turning back the clocks on women’s rights and health and science.”
    No fucktard, they are doing no such thing. This issue was raised by Mr Obama when he decided he’d offer up a beat-down to religious institutions. You know, that area that is supposed to be separate from state as in “…the separation of church and state”? (But of course this has always been a ruse anyway and no such separation is mentioned in our founding documents. What WAS addressed was there will be no founding of a state religion.) And right in line, the MSM jumped in and tried to turn the tables and pin this on the troglodytes in the “Repug” party. And you know this to be true but since it fits your little agenda everything is jake.
    I welcome you to post a passage from any current Republican candidate that that would support your thesis that they wish to turn “…back the clocks on women’s rights and health and science.”

  76. Vlad Krandz February 20, 2012 at 12:57 pm #

    Christians are often full of shit, as are most religious people of other Faiths. Did Whitney really love God? Then why couldn’t she stop abusing drugs? Belief in itself is nothing, nor is emotion anything more. Blacks have no problem believing in Jesus and the Welfare State at the same time. And hating the Whites who support them.
    I read an article once by a Prison Chaplain. Guys would come in and praise Jesus week after week. The chaplain came to know that many of these same guys were involved in assaults, drug dealing, and rape of fellow prisoners. Thus their Christianity was meaningless, vile, and an insult to God and real Christians.
    Moral Atheists and Agnostics are far better people and yes, Christians, than “believers” like this. Belief and emotion are meaningless in themselves if they don’t lead to a change of life and behvavior.
    This could apply to people of any race of course. But Blacks specialize in this kind of hypocrisy, evidently. After the Reverend Wright expose, I read up on it a bit. This kind of Theology has been very influential and many Black Churches express similar sentiments. And that Whites still voted for the imposter is a damning indictment of “Liberalism”. Remember, belief in itself means nothing unless backed up by good works. And to quote the Bible, (Paul I think), voting for Obama was a “profitless work of darkness”.

  77. Mrs Beasley February 20, 2012 at 12:57 pm #

    “”Consider that half the people who vote Dem have an IQ around 90″”
    If you are suggesting that the number should be much lower, I would concur.

  78. myrtlemay February 20, 2012 at 12:58 pm #

    Have to agree that the exaggerated southern dialect (most specifically that of females) is most annoying. They seem to think that their Scarlet O’Hara bit makes them somehow more feminine, pretty, and desirable. I’m thinking of a woman I know who says things like, “Ya awwl, can ya awwl beeleeve that the Heeyals (Tarheels)just did thayat? I mean, what wuz Roy Wilyums thinkin!” I’ve literally given up trying to understand some of the car mechanics who work on my old ’02 beater. They sound like they have a mouth full of mush. They’re good mechanics, though. I always try to remember to say as sweetly as possible once they’re done, “Why, thank ya’ll so much! I jes don know WHAT I’d uh dun without ya’ll!”
    Then again, the nasally, Jersey twang holds no allure for me, either. Jes sayin! ;D
    I’ve lived in the urban South for 17 years now. My neighborhood was built in the 1920s. Lots of fine bungalows with wide porches, transoms, floor to ceiling windows, sleeping porches. A downtown you can walk to from my apartment. So apparently people did figure out a way to survive down here without air conditioning – albeit without the ease and comfort enjoyed today. Honestly, would an old Yankee girl allow herself to live in a Suburban Sprawl, vinyl-clad McMansionville? Not this one, anyway.

  79. Mrs Beasley February 20, 2012 at 1:02 pm #

    “Christians are often full of shit… I read an article once by a Prison Chaplain. Guys would come in and praise Jesus week after week. The chaplain came to know that many of these same guys were involved in assaults, drug dealing, and rape of fellow prisoners. Thus their Christianity was meaningless, vile, and an insult to God and real Christians.”
    These that you site are not Christians. So how is it that they are full of shit?

  80. myrtlemay February 20, 2012 at 1:07 pm #

    “These that you site are not Christians. So how is it that they are full of shit?” Mrs. B

  81. azgog February 20, 2012 at 1:08 pm #

    Its ironic but predictable that one political party is pushing a faith based anti-science response to the “evil forces” that now threaten our country. Just when we need rational analysis and a rapid realignment of our lifestyles to deal with a $15 trillion debt and the twin dilemmas of peak oil and global warming, we get a set of circus clown blowhards trying to distract us by arguing over contraception rights (aren’t we well past that?) and gay whatever.
    Looking forward I see a coming boom in nostalgia for the way its ‘sposed to be and many demands for renewed greatness and exceptionalism. These people are not likely to let facts get in the way of their wet dreams of economic recovery and lunar colonies. Any more than we will be trading our 2 ton SUVs for 200lb electric bikes. Hell, we’re not even going to put on a sweater and get those damn solar panels off the Whitehouse right now.
    This country was founded on exploitation and slavery. The 13th Amendment did not outlaw slavery, it just formalized it under a fig leaf of legality where you had to be convicted of a (any) crime first. Economic coercion or the military draft were and are equally effective. The rapid burning of fossil fuels provided an even more powerful slave to perform for us. Americans will not let go of this power easily, they are far more likely to go down fighting. Someone is going to have to pry the Cadillac keys and their biblical convictions from their cold dead hands.

  82. Vlad Krandz February 20, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

    Well known fact (to those who have studied the issue), Black Americans have an average IQ of 85 and Hispanics of 90. This kind of dumb just isn’t viable for a first world nation. Good thing we’re going down or else we would have run into real problems.
    The Democratic base is the Multi Hued Mob of the mentally challenged and the morally compromised. And the Republicans like the Hispanics for the cheap labor they can exploit. Thus, the whole Political System is an open conspiracy, a marriage made in hell. And Whites, be they poor, middle class, keep voting for the Party that benefits only the Rich and that intends to dispossess them. Ah, the joys of the Two Party System which has only one root under the ground where none can see.

  83. Vlad Krandz February 20, 2012 at 1:11 pm #

    In other words, you agree with me but want to make it seem like you don’t and that you’re right and I’m wrong.

  84. jackieblue2u February 20, 2012 at 1:16 pm #

    Sounds nice MM.
    A big porch.
    Love it.
    and walking to town.
    can’t be beat.
    I can do that here,
    walk to town.
    Just as time goes on
    more and more gangstas.
    not too bad yet tho.
    Counting my blessings.

  85. jackieblue2u February 20, 2012 at 1:20 pm #

    SJ MOM,
    end of last week you asked about books.
    okay I will recommend at author, but maybe I
    shouldn’t. He is contraversial.
    Mark Steyn. America Alone. or After America.
    I got both.
    may not be your cup of tea.
    Alot of food for thought tho.
    and he is Funny !
    Buck Stud said he didn’t figure me for a neo con.
    (when I posted this author).
    I am not sure ‘what I am’.
    The verdict isn’t in yet.
    just maybe you might ‘enjoy’ this.
    and maybe not.
    Oh I do not like Rush, and this Mark is on Rush’s
    show, I don’t listen to Rush at all, can’t stand the guy.
    but Mark is different.
    Maybe he is completely full of **** also, but anyway interesting reads.

  86. anotherplayaguy February 20, 2012 at 1:20 pm #

    “The conservative impulse is hardly all bad. We need it in civilization.”
    Turns out that what we don’t need, what the big mistake was, is civilization. Too many people living in concert destroy the world.

  87. catman306 February 20, 2012 at 1:35 pm #

    The last act of a dying institution, John Gardner says, is to get out a new edition of its rule book.
    The last editions are being written and that’s what’s happening now with the Patriot Act, the creation of Homeland Security and much more.

  88. Vlad Krandz February 20, 2012 at 1:35 pm #

    Abortion is murder and any Nation that embraces it is essentially finished. It’s just a matter of how we are going to be punished not when. Soon enough though.
    Of course great “Christians” like Obama accept it – eagerly. So that makes him no Christian at all as Beesley would say.
    Rev Wright is miffed: Obama has had to disown him since the election. He said he tries to call but all those Jews wont let him through. Obama has taken alot of Jewish money from Godman Sachs, Soros and others. Now he has to serve them. But what about the Pro-Israel crowd? They are now against him. A big rift in the Jewish Community but apparently most will vote for him again. Their religion is now Liberalism perhaps.
    Perhaps these big money Jews now agree with Zigbnew Brezinski, who said that the Neo Cons and Pro Israeli Lobby has put back World Goverment thirty years. Any thoughts?

  89. Widespreadpanic7 February 20, 2012 at 1:39 pm #

    Jackieblue, I’m a big Mark Steyn fan too. ‘After America’ reminded me a little of The Long Emergency’, with a bit of a different slant. Steyn got kicked out of Canada and settled north of here in New Hampshire. The guy is hilarious.
    Why don’t you move out of that neighborhood. You probably should move out of that state.

  90. Jay Schiavone February 20, 2012 at 1:40 pm #

    “…level-headed adult like the governors of New Jersey and Indiana.” Anyone who types such a phrase (unless one is being facetious) has no business calling others “rubes.”

  91. Vlad Kramps February 20, 2012 at 1:41 pm #

    Vlad, Vlad, Vlad, you’re still obsessing over blacks, da jews, los hispanicos etc. You’ve got to get over this, Vladdie me boy! They are all here, some are even queer, and no, they won’t just disappear. Now be a good little boy, take your meds and maybe a nice little nappy before Dora the Explorer comes on.

  92. Vlad Kramps February 20, 2012 at 1:43 pm #

    My god, woman, you’re STILL DRIVING! Just one more of the choices I’ll personally make to stay the fuck out of the South!

  93. Vlad Krandz February 20, 2012 at 1:44 pm #

    You like Mark but don’t like Rush. But if Rush didn’t agree with Mark, he wouldn’t have him as a guest host. Believe me, Rush gets to choose who sits in for him.
    You’re confusing personal feelings for political viewpoints.
    Both Mark and Rush both want America to keep on with its Endless War for Peace in the Middle East. We must go into these countries and teach them about Capitalism and Abortion and Feminism. Rush doesn’t like the last two. Mark probably doesn’t like the last one. But essentially, they both support Big Capitalism and the Israel can do no wrong point of view.
    The Founding Fathers in contrast, said stay at home and stay out of other people’s wars.

  94. Vlad Krandz February 20, 2012 at 1:47 pm #

    Kramps you swine! Renounce your queerness or be damned! You can get cured thru therapy. Find a good woman and serve her every need night and day like a good hetero loser. That is a fitting punishment for you!

  95. Vlad Kramps February 20, 2012 at 1:51 pm #

    Vladdie, dearest, I must exist, for I am the ying to your yang. Without me you’d have no alter ego with which to contend. I am the tenor to your base. Embrace me as you would Asoka, the out of wedlock child you gleefully enjoyed making but refuse to support, you white cracker, you!

  96. norman February 20, 2012 at 1:57 pm #

    You’ve got it almost right.
    Accepted usuage is: goyisheh kop

  97. norman February 20, 2012 at 1:57 pm #

    You’ve got it almost right.
    Accepted usuage is: goyisheh kop

  98. norman February 20, 2012 at 1:58 pm #

    You’ve got it almost right.
    Accepted usuage is: goyisheh kop

  99. norman February 20, 2012 at 1:59 pm #

    You’ve got it almost right.
    Accepted usuage is: goyisheh kop

  100. jackieblue2u February 20, 2012 at 2:01 pm #

    Yes I think I need to read Ishmael again.

  101. Vlad Krandz February 20, 2012 at 2:06 pm #

    How do they feel about your accent? Are Yankees still hated? Does anyone like our accents the way some love Southern ones?

  102. Qshtik February 20, 2012 at 2:28 pm #

    … as the candidates all pile into a train wreck of super-PAC obloquy. – JHK
    This word shows up so infrequently in stuff I read that I always need to look it up to get an accurate sense of its meaning. Then, pleased with this nifty word, I will look for an occasion to use it… for example, at the next onslaught from Old69 where I might remark: “Old69 continues to bang out posts from within the grim masonry of the Greystone Institution despite near-universal CFN obloquy.”

  103. Mrs Beasley February 20, 2012 at 2:29 pm #

    “… we get a set of circus clown blowhards trying to distract us by arguing over contraception rights…”
    No we do not. We get a bunch of blow-dried, numb-nutted anchor-chairs that bring these topics up, solely to distract us from the real issues at hand.
    While Santorum, personally does not believe in contraceptives, as an elected official, he has voted for funding and support of them. That SHOULD be the end of the topic as he has displayed an ability to decide issues that are independent from his personal leanings.
    What we get are assclowns like Georgie-boy Stephie-nopolis, who posed the question to Romney, “Do you think states should have the right to ban contraceptions?”
    Say what? What the fuck kind of question is that? Which state is it Georgie, that wishes to do so? And of course the next day’s news is all about the troglodyte Rethugs and their views on contraception.
    So, fuck brain, who is driving the car? Who keeps talking about contraception and women’s rights? And at what point did you stop beating your wife?

  104. Vlad Krandz February 20, 2012 at 2:31 pm #

    Why not a Monarchy with me as King? You could be my Court Jester – your gay ego would love prancing around with bells on and lisp screaming in falsetto.

  105. Qshtik February 20, 2012 at 2:35 pm #

    You’ve got it almost right.
    Accepted usuage is: goyisheh kop

    You’ve got it almost right.
    Acceptable number of times to Submit: one
    P.S. It’s usage.

  106. myrtlemay February 20, 2012 at 2:47 pm #

    I get pegged for being a New Englander, although I only lived there as an adult and didn’t grow up there. I’ve met a number of Yankee transplants not unlike myself who moved south to escape the awful winters, high real estate taxes, and insane pace of life. We all pretty much agree that we’ll always be seen as outsiders, but such is life.
    I think there is a good deal of contempt still for Yankee transplants. After all, we’re really not like Southerners. I can’t stand country music and line dancing, I loathe Nascar, and barbeque frankly is not my cup of tea. I have become an avid ACC fan as a result of my Southern gentleman “hubby”. We don’t get ESPN2 or whatever the hell it is, so when Duke played last night, we went to the local pub where they play it on t.v. Not seeing the game was apparently not an option for him.

  107. Milton Moore February 20, 2012 at 2:50 pm #

    I enjoyed your article, The Choices We Make, very much and agree with all that you said.
    Here are parts of my my letter to Dr. Hoenig, Federal Reserve Chairman, I shared with you a year ago:
    “Dear Mr. Hoenig,
    Your views in the 2011 Time Magazine are similar to mine on what I call the “Okie Economy,” which is basically a ‘cash and carry’ economy. The only thing money is borrowed for is a house or car that one can afford.
    My mom and dad were penniless when they were married in OK and lived in shacks without electricity and running water. They migrated to the grape fields of CA during the great depression when I was eight. When WW II started, they moved into the lower middle class. When my dad was drafted, my mom went to work for the bank, earning $90/month. She retired from Bank of America the same week I retired from the AF. When she died, she left me over $100,000. By following the Okie Economy, I will leave my 3 children over twice that.
    Unless the principles you have outlined in your Time article — and the Okie Economy — the next great depression will be an unimaginable disastger. People managed to survive in the rural, agrarian society. The urban society today is not prepared for such a depression. There will be a chaotic fight for survival that even our military may not be able to quell.
    Of course, the rich will not suffer.
    Milton Moore
    Lt. Col., USAF (Retired)”
    Your answer Mr. Kunsler:
    I like to say that I am allergic to conspiracy theories, but the current situation with the financial management of our government is so challenging that I’m afraid Wall Street owns the whole shootin match now and it will take some patriotic gore to set things straight. These are dark times.

  108. Desertrat February 20, 2012 at 2:53 pm #

    Mr. Kunstler, your comments about Santorum and his religion sound no different from all the yap-yap as to how JFK’s Catholicism would have the US being a subsidiary of the Vatican.
    I suggest you find something to worry about which is more in line with reality.
    Bash the south over the lifes tyle if you can’t resist silliness, but until folks up north quit buying heating oil, it’s pretty much six of one, half-dozen of the other for life styles…
    The only real difference I’ve noted is that folks up north talk funny. 🙂

  109. Tark February 20, 2012 at 2:56 pm #

    He’s a Jew from Mass. They’ have made it a religion to hate the white South and Christians for at least over 150 years.
    Add to that, he’s a Boomer desperately holding on to past 60s ‘glory’, and you’ll know why he still clings to the fairy tale of absolute tolerance for blacks, etc, no matter THEIR behavior.
    The world he’s wishing for in every commentary he posts couldn’t begin to exist without people who knew how to live an agrarian, localized lifestyle decades before it caught on with the haughty organic crowd.
    As funny and ironic as it gets that he’s is actually waiting for the same world that the South was in so many ways. Pre-industrial, agrarian, and , yes, provincial.

  110. Vlad Krandz February 20, 2012 at 3:06 pm #

    I usually can tell the meaning of the word by the context. How bout Prog’s sobriquet?

  111. Qshtik February 20, 2012 at 3:08 pm #

    Both Mark and Rush both want America to keep…
    they both support Big Capitalism and the Israel can do no wrong point of view.
    uh uh uh… one both good, two boths bad. You should write either:
    Both Mark and Rush want
    Mark and Rush both want
    My choice would be the former.
    Secondly, when you want to create a single adjective or modifier out of a string of two or more words the way to do it is to seperate them with hyphens like this:
    the Israel-can-do-no-wrong point of view.

  112. Vlad Krandz February 20, 2012 at 3:24 pm #

    Yes accent is huge for provincial people – the downside to provincialism. Perhaps America is too big? To Liberals, accent isn’t a big deal – of course, class is and accent is part of class too. Liberals love the poor from a distance but loathe them up close – especially White ones.
    The very poor urban folks don’t care about accent. They’ve lost their “place” and are in the process of “generalization”. Nor do they care about race or much of anything anymore. The rural poor cling to all of these – as is right. Only pride prevents degeneration under the harsh conditions of poverty. That’s what keeps one from being the dreaded Poor White Trash and then going on welfare and miscegenating. Religion, however ignorant, helps them tremendously.
    Urban Whites used to care about who was what back when there were White Neighborhoods. Is it not tragic that much of Life is based on hatred – and necessarily so?
    Apparently this is all true of Blacks as well. Wnen Katrina Black Kids from New Orleans went to their new Houston Schools, the Houston kids told them to “talk right”.
    With the spread of meth, pop culture, and welfare, the rot of urban White America has spread to Rural White America. The coup de grace will be spreading minorities everywhere to miscegenate them.
    We must go back to the old English way of accepting class. By denying it, we only increase the hatred. Accept it and then treat everyone fairly. It’s much easier to do that when you’re not expected to love them on sight. Or when they think they have a right to know you or talk to you. Don’t you hate that Myrtle? Likewise with the reality of Race.

  113. Vlad Krandz February 20, 2012 at 3:28 pm #

    Your sobriquet: the Grammar Hammer. Or the Grammar Bunny. Choose wisely Hoppergrass – the Tiger or the Lady.

  114. anti soak February 20, 2012 at 3:32 pm #

    Brown has signed the [Nitemare of] the Dream Act.
    The US is broke and now we support ‘the dream’!

  115. anti soak February 20, 2012 at 3:35 pm #

    Indeed the Dems tried to make it legal for FELONS to vote. Gosh the company they keep.

  116. Bustin J February 20, 2012 at 3:56 pm #

    Asoka, on school lunch economics:
    “$3.00 = School lunch
    $13.66 = Military lunch (GMR)”
    This simple model is illustrative of the priorities. $13.66 is probably parity with what a restaurant-grade level of quality. Obviously the Army knows its people run on their stomachs (to paraphrase) and when adults run low on morale they have many different ways of dealing with it- including quitting.
    If a kid tries to quit he is a truant and a law-breaker. Kids don’t have the ability to articulate their predicaments. Their tastes are not considered.
    When I was a kid such an intolerable situation was relieved by rioting- a benign revolt called a “food fight” in which the crap being served was enthusiastically transubstantiated. Todays kids are probably too well-conditioned, that is, programmed into obescience. They probably choke down the rotten swill they’re served and blame themselves for their own stomach aches. The smartest probably spit it into a napkin.
    $3 doesn’t get you much. Industrially-farmed apple, a cube of jiggly green jell-o, a heap of mushy carrot and peas, mystery meat. Google “pink slime”.
    Modern food service is run with modern management-style. That means focus groups with smartly dressed focus group researchers. They tell us that nutritionists are sadly mistaken and kids won’t eat real food. So, feed them something they will eat. So the most modern food service has soft-serve ice cream (w/ calcium!), french fries, and pizza.

  117. myrtlemay February 20, 2012 at 3:59 pm #

    Reminds me of the movie, “Pygmalion” in which the very proper English aristocrat Henry Higgins (played marvelously by Leslie Howard) mocks poor Eliza Doolittle’s cockney speech. He at one point during the opening scene at the entrance of an opera house actually says to her, “Your very presence here is a disgrace to these noble columns that adorn this building!” To which she replies “oawwwwwwwww!” or something to that effect.

  118. Widespreadpanic7 February 20, 2012 at 4:03 pm #

    Don’t worry, Michelle Obama is on vacation in Aspen. Its been a whole month since the 17 day vacation in Hawaii.

  119. george February 20, 2012 at 4:12 pm #

    I find it hard to feel any empathy for the citizens of the Sunbelt. They have no one to blame but themselves for their current misery. They wasted all their wealth on fast food outlets, gigantic malls, Wal-Marts and mega-churches and now they’re mad because because reality won’t let them live the way they like. Too bad. To quote Stevie Wonder, when you believe in things you don’t understand you suffer. I don’t think that any of them really understood what they we’re really getting when they went on a huge building blitz that created communities that had no future beyond the next economic downturn. They took it for granted that once the badly-built houses and strip malls began to decay they could move on and build more wonderful stuff because they were the exception and bad things didn’t happen to patriotic Christian folk.

  120. k-dog February 20, 2012 at 4:12 pm #

    Stimulating the economy.

  121. Bustin J February 20, 2012 at 4:12 pm #

    Just to let everyone know that in the last 5 years I’ve lost 40 pounds. I am a runner (100-up technique), and I left weights 3x a week. (I don’t do multiple iterations of lifts, no more than 30 mins a session.)
    Yesterday I went to the store (an upscale outdoor store that is “employee owned”). I took a fancy to some fancy pants. None of the pants on the rack were the right size, so I asked the employee to try the pants on the mannequin. He complied. The fit was close, but not quite close enough.
    The truth is, in this modern age, our clothes are of high quality, but they are standard and generically sized. Hence, we all wear high quality stuff that doesn’t fit right as opposed to 100 years ago, when everything was tailored.
    Anyway, the jeans were about an inch too big at the waist. I returned to the employee and asked (just for fun) if they did any tailoring. The answer was no. Apparently the employees of a modern store that sells clothing couldn’t be expected to actually have any clothing skills. They are only there to help you “find” something. What a critical waste of a human being’s mind. But I digress.
    Further, I learned that this particular brand of fancy-pants producer doesn’t even make a size smaller than the one on the mannequin.
    I have a BMI in the normal range. The Mannequin is fatter than I am, and apparently normal BMI waist sizes have fallen off the low end of what is economically viable- even for a store ostensibly selling to people who are “active” and “outdoorsy”.
    Truly, the people I watched ambling to and from their cars, stalking the isles in a consumer trance, really didn’t seem obviously physically able to engage in any of the activities they were being sold on, except in a marginal way. None of the people browsing mountain-climbing supplies looked like they were capable of climbing a mountain.
    They were all wearing about a thousand dollars of high-performance fabrics and styles. Impervious insulated rain-shelled jackets for people who spend practically no time in the rain, wearing shoes designed in a wind tunnel on people who look like they could not run around a city block, buying bags full of crap I imagine will be in pristine condition in 5 years when it ends up in a thrift store or garage sale.
    Anyway, I don’t know what it says about me or the society I live in when I am skinnier than the mannequins and I only exercise as much as what modern medical research suggests is appropriate, and clothing manufacturers no longer apparently think that there are enough fit people in the US to calibrate the machines to make sizes for.
    Then again when I was growing up I brown-bagged it every day.

  122. Phaedrus February 20, 2012 at 4:14 pm #

    The Religious Conservative Republicans sure are pissed off. Mad as hell about “Birth Control”, “Occupiers” and anything that smells like Obama. I heard one say Obama should “burn in hell”. Then they went on and on for 40 minutes about how developers were going to build some entertainment complex behind their suburban home in an EMPTY strip mall. The neighborhood association was up in arms and was about to go to def-con 6 over it.
    I don’t think they know who they are fighting just that they are fighting anything that apparently infringes their “God-given” righteousness. Both sides are on a fast track to failure and blame each other for it. With neither side taking any responsibility only pushing apart the extremes.
    Funny blog post: We shall overcome. Positively Maybe.

  123. Tark February 20, 2012 at 4:25 pm #

    I guess there are no huge malls and fast food outlets anywhere but the Sunbelt?

  124. Bustin J February 20, 2012 at 4:39 pm #

    Modern life is a headache: “Prescriptions for narcotic painkillers soared so much over the last decade that by 2010 enough were being dispensed to medicate every adult in the U.S. around-the-clock for a month.”
    More Americans are in pain than ever before, and opiods are effective pain relief. Some worry that we’re turning the US into a nation of Junkies. Well, so what? People should strive to feel good, even if it means taking a pill.
    People that feel good (or at least aren’t in pain) are clear-thinking, empathetic (or capable of it), more or less a functional human being. So god bless Opiates. I have a feeling opiates might be a growth market in a future full of pain and suffering.

  125. myrtlemay February 20, 2012 at 4:54 pm #

    Any reputable dry cleaner should be able to alter the pants to fit your waist, Bustin. In my day, the only store I knew that had a tailor-on-the spot was Lord and Taylor. The suit I purchased fitted me like a glove – because of the tailor. This was back in the ’70s. I can’t speak for the “employee owned store” you visited, but you might want to mention it to one of the “owners” that an on-site tailor might be good for business. There are a lot of people here where I live who worked in the garment industry for years (before everything went to Mexico, then China) who would be more than capable of doing a free-lance type of job as a tailor. Congratulations on your weight loss and physical fitness. It will pay major dividends as you grow older.

  126. Philyc February 20, 2012 at 5:02 pm #

    The problem both “progressives” and “conservatives” have is that they both believe in “growth.” We are moving into an era of no growth. NO one who listens to that mob of economists who think that growth is inevitable can plan for the future we face.

  127. myrtlemay February 20, 2012 at 5:02 pm #

    Jackie, there were so many times that I wanted to move to California where you are. Everytime I visited the weather was gorgeous and I am a beach lover. It’s sad that gangsters are becoming a problem there. I know the unemployment rate is high, and California has more than it’s share of fiscal problems. The “Open the door to the border” mentality is, in my opinion, literally destroying that beautiful state. Take care of yourself, especially when walking around alone.

  128. Philyc February 20, 2012 at 5:02 pm #

    The problem both “progressives” and “conservatives” have is that they both believe in “growth.” We are moving into an era of no growth. NO one who listens to that mob of economists who think that growth is inevitable can plan for the future we face.

  129. bproman February 20, 2012 at 5:07 pm #

    I cast my fishing line into the pond and only caught a rubber boot.

  130. Widespreadpanic7 February 20, 2012 at 5:08 pm #

    So Vlad, I take it you are not celebrating Black History Month?

  131. jackieblue2u February 20, 2012 at 5:10 pm #

    The thought of moving crosses my mind every day just about.

  132. myrtlemay February 20, 2012 at 5:10 pm #

    We are in an era of decline. People need to get their minds wrapped around that. Still, I see million dollar houses being sold, people racing around on the road like it’s the Indy 500, stampedes at K-mart during Christmas. I think that after the collapse, people just might find that embracing a simpler, less complicated time will be more fulfilling. Think Asoka’s mud hut. Over at the Automatic Earth I saw some charming houses built, out of all things, garbage! Stunning, utilitarian, and self-sustainable. The future doesn’t seem so grim. It’s our priorities that need adjustment.

  133. icurhuman2 February 20, 2012 at 5:12 pm #

    Even JHK uses the term “progressive” when describing the so-called American “liberal left”. What a joke! America doesn’t have a progressive “left” and wouldn’t know what left was is it fell on them. What America has is conservatives and radical conservatives which is why it is well and truly screwed.

  134. xport February 20, 2012 at 5:16 pm #

    It is a crying shame that the voting public in this democracy are stuck with a choice between bad and worse. If you don’t know that the elections are rigged and whoever wins will represent the power brokers, then you ain’t paying attention to what is happening. Too bad, the people deserve better. Even the folks in the south. In every city, state and town you will find great people doing great things, and Southern hospitality is still alive and well and practiced with neighborly love and courtesy. In fact, there are sweet, loving, intelligent citizens in every walk of life, doing the best they can to earn their daily bread and share what they have with each other. The America that I know and love wants to work hard and be creative and make a better world for themselves and their children. Remember Earth day. We can salvage what is left of the planet before it gets too late.

  135. michaeljoseph February 20, 2012 at 5:19 pm #

    As much as I enjoy reading James Howard Kunstler I have to confess that I think Jim is far too optimistic. With a 4 degree centigrade increase in global temperature already baked into the cake, the notion of redesigning civilization around trains and quaint public spaces sounds anachronistic at best.

  136. jackieblue2u February 20, 2012 at 5:19 pm #

    I like what the FF said.
    I wish ‘they’ stayed at home.
    but ‘they are HERE’ and they came here.
    Not sure if it’s OUR fault that They came here, and are here to do serious damage.
    Some think it’s our own fault, and our fault only.
    I don’t think that way after reading MS.
    Thanks for helping with my confusion, and it does run deep.

  137. jackieblue2u February 20, 2012 at 5:24 pm #

    Yes so true.
    SO TRUE.

  138. jackieblue2u February 20, 2012 at 5:25 pm #

    harhar !

  139. Widespreadpanic7 February 20, 2012 at 5:29 pm #

    Ya JackieBlue, are there any decent small towns left in Cal? I mean ones that are not too expensive and surrounded by farmland? Awhile back ‘West Coast’ wrote a few paragraphs here on towns in Northern California — Humbolt and Eureka I think. They didn’t sound too nice. Street gangs, tens of billions of dollars of debt, armies of meth addicts … what the hell went wrong in the Golden State?

  140. third_martini_banter February 20, 2012 at 5:53 pm #

    Hate to clutter this fine set of comments, but thought some here might appreciate the Google translation of the Asian-language entry posted above at 10:57 by h7m1s7g1:
    Here we go:

  141. Eleuthero February 20, 2012 at 6:10 pm #

    George said:
    I find it hard to feel any empathy for the citizens of the Sunbelt. They have no one to blame but themselves for their current misery.
    I agree. I live in the Bay Area which is at the same latitude as North Carolina and is a semi-desert. This is an ALLEGEDLY intelligent part of America but it’s remarkable how much water we waste. Even more remarkable are the home construction standards. These Eichler houses are freezing in the winter and hot as hell in the summer and you could hardly ask for a more temperature climate: It’s 58 in January and 77 in July.
    The Bay Area, like Phoenix, Las Vegas, and most of Florida fell victim to the same boomtown mentality where the mindset is “Build ’em fast so you call sell ’em fast”. In many ways, despite the progressive mindset in the Bay Area, we live as stupidly as the allegedly “dumb” areas in the deserts and Florida.

  142. Vlad Krandz February 20, 2012 at 6:11 pm #

    Yeah don’t get me wrong – I like some of what these guys have to say. Their criticisms of the Democrats are right on target. What I’m saying is that their vision of America is not the traditional conservative one. The founders were Capitalists, but they never would have argued that the system can work without moral restraints and guidance. Some of these guys seem to know this sometimes, at other times they argue for non holds barred Capitalism. I guess they see morality as something for private life and unrelated to business, which I feel is a disaster. But the Founders may have been a bit like that too….
    Anyway, try Pat Buchanan’s new book “Death of a Super Power” too. I read Steyn’s new one and I’m going to get Levin’s as well.

  143. asoka. February 20, 2012 at 6:15 pm #

    Vice-Presidential candidate Sarah Palin launched a short video, Chords of Memory on Presidents’ Day in which she honor Presidents such as President Lincoln and President Reagan.
    I don’t think it is a coincidence that a former candidate for Vice-President would launch a video about Presidents on Presidents’ Day in the middle of a hard-fought Presidential primary battle **cough**Brokered Convention**cough** which Sarah Palin is observing carefully.

  144. ozone February 20, 2012 at 6:20 pm #

    “Whatever happens, the US has certainly chosen the rockiest, thorn-and-snake filled path to the future.” -HC
    Well, hey, ain’t that the very boon from gawd that rugged ‘murkin ind’vijulists were a’waitin’ fer? ;o)
    Seriously though, I agree and find it simply fascinating! How else can we react to such bull-headed suicidal behavior?

  145. anti soak February 20, 2012 at 6:33 pm #

    Away from the coast, however this is North Mexico.
    Thru the lens of realism it is.
    There was an article on a town with cheap real estate, I cant remember its name..west of Reno?
    Look at maps of Lassen, Modoc counties …..
    Go visit!

  146. anti soak February 20, 2012 at 6:39 pm #

    He was here in LA days ago, those 10k to 40k a plate specials.

  147. asoka. February 20, 2012 at 6:42 pm #

    Away from the coast, however this is North Mexico. west of Reno? Look at maps of Lassen, Modoc counties ….. Go visit!
    The whole Southwest (California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Texas) belongs to Mexico and is gradually being taken back through La Reconquista.
    I would advise coastal people to visit, spend money, buy property, build with adobe sun-cured earthen bricks, learn Spanish, read Octavio Paz, get to know how wonderful the Mexican people are: ¡Viva Méjico Lindo! Hispanics are my neighbors and they are good hard-working people with good values.
    Thanks, antisoak, for promoting tourism of our land!

  148. anti soak February 20, 2012 at 6:44 pm #

    Theres an REI nearby [402 Santa Monica Blvd, Santa Monica] One Saturday morn I saw a very large crowd waiting to get in [sale time?]and the trash bin
    nearby was overflowing with coffee cups!

  149. anti soak February 20, 2012 at 6:50 pm #

    What if he had only focused his derision on the Black South….thats where a significant % of Us blacks live….maybe more than 50%.

  150. ozone February 20, 2012 at 7:12 pm #

    Yep, you, A-L and all those you’ve specified are most welcome!
    It’s a very nice ride up Rt. 8 from NYC, as my brother can attest, and not a torturous ride from Beantown, as my sister can attest.
    I’m not far from the village of the rooster, so anyone needing accommodation is in good luck and fine fettle. :o)

  151. ozone February 20, 2012 at 7:18 pm #

    Martini Enjoying One,
    I HOPE it goes down as you say.
    That said, hope has never paid my freight, so I think I might be better thinking the worst, as I’m a procrastinator. Paranoia is its’ own “reward” (and hidden cattle-prod).

  152. Solar Guy February 20, 2012 at 7:21 pm #

    Mr. Kunstler,
    I feel you.
    Cheers Clusterfuckers.

  153. ozone February 20, 2012 at 7:23 pm #

    Bad Krampies,
    He likes it better when you call him “sweetie”.
    (I know he’s got the milit’ry for his mommie now, but he still responds to that suckling endearment.)

  154. SeaYoung February 20, 2012 at 7:32 pm #

    Thou forgetest something in referring to the Republican’s latest montage of Bible Thumpers. Bachman, Santorum, Palin are Yankees! When the A/C stops working, we’ll be fine. Yankees will return to Jersey, Tobacco, furniture, and textiles will be back and we will reclaim our favorite pastimes: kissing cousins, moonshine, and stock car racing (here and not in Chicago).

  155. metuselah February 20, 2012 at 7:40 pm #

    Candi Staton – Too Hurt To Cry – YouTube
    Candi Staton – Nights On Broadway – YouTube

  156. metuselah February 20, 2012 at 7:44 pm #

    MAHALIA JACKSON ~ Summertime/Motherless Child

  157. dgmoocher February 20, 2012 at 7:46 pm #

    Wrong both counts. Assumption is flawed here.
    Reps and Dems will live forever. 99% of all Americans will tell you, “they’ll fix it, don’t worry, they will think of something….”.
    As long as citizens are uneducated and have a Sonic nearby it’s all good……….

  158. ozone February 20, 2012 at 7:51 pm #

    Just as an [perhaps irrelevant] aside; why does anyone suppose that damn Yankees are a mob of helpless, skill-deficient, snobbish, know-nothing buffoons?
    Underestimation is the first outward sign of a dangerous hubris. Maybe gawd is indeed on yer side?
    Place yer bets. Oh…. you want to bet your life? Why sure, we can make “certain arrangements”.

  159. myrtlemay February 20, 2012 at 8:06 pm #

    Beats me, Ozone. All I know is that I’m just as dumb on one side of our border (south) than taH’ther! LOL! 🙂

  160. metuselah February 20, 2012 at 8:08 pm #

    Mahalia Jackson – The Lord’s Prayer

  161. ozone February 20, 2012 at 8:11 pm #

    Geeze, I find the same phenomena applies to me!
    How exceptionally curious. ;o)

  162. asoka. February 20, 2012 at 8:11 pm #

    This Chinese Taoist image includes eight trigrams which represent the forces of Nature.
    The Yin/Yang symbol is the center represents the essential dualities and eternally changing cycles of opposites (male/female, night/day, hot/cold, etc).
    It reminds us of how these energies are completely interdependent and how each contains the essence of the other within itself.

  163. asoka. February 20, 2012 at 8:17 pm #

    Here is the link to the Chinese Taoist Symbol:
    with the eight trigrams which represent the forces of Nature and the Yin/Yang symbol in the center representing the essential dualities and eternally changing cycles of opposites.

  164. JulettaofOhio February 20, 2012 at 8:29 pm #

    You would prefer Sharia law, maybe, as an alternative to Christianity since it’s so much more compassionate and reasonable?
    With no apologies whatsoever to MegaButt, for the first time in a long time, I’m proud of my church! (Roman Catholic) Hate us or love us, our church does more for the poor than any other religion. Obama’s vile decision to break the church will ultimately hurt the poor and working class although like so many of his actions, I’m sure he doesn’t care.
    I don’t see American Jews as anything other than secular, although I could definitely be wrong. Wonder if they’ve given any thought to just exactly what Obama is going to do with all the nukes he takes over? Give them to Iran to blast Israel, or vice versa? Neither logic nor integrity seem to light his way.
    Speaking of superstitious, backward, ignorant Southerners, I’d much prefer to live in the South (of course, I’m white) than the north which has it’s own deadly forms of mental illness. Would you rather be strangled by a Kudzu vine or killed by being burned at the stake or being pressed to death for being a witch? The north is no saner than the south, Jim, and the south has much prettier accents and a more gentle culture.

  165. shastatodd February 20, 2012 at 8:41 pm #

    one of your best… thanks!

  166. DeeJones February 20, 2012 at 9:02 pm #

    I think its the choices we MADE. Choices the American people made 20-30 years ago. Its too late to un-make those choices now. Drive giant, gas guzzling SUV’s or cars that got 40mpg’s? Dismantle the Military-Industrial-Intelligence complex and invest in renewable energy? We all know what the choice was.
    At this point I think that Americas’ choices are so constrained that there really isn’t much choice for the majority. Politically, that’s already been decided at the Top. You just get to choose between Jesters.
    Lets just hope that those running the show really do have a slow decent in the plans. If not, well, most of you are going to be on your own, and if not prepared for it….

  167. asoka. February 20, 2012 at 9:03 pm #

    Obama’s vile decision to break the church…

    Shouldn’t that be Obama’s decision to force the Church to obey labor laws and provide health services when non-Catholic employees are involved?
    Besides, JulettaofOhio, don’t you know that the Church is guided by the Holy Spirit?
    Obama is not trying to “break the Church” but even if he was, it is impossible for anyone to “break the Church” … Marx tried it, Lenin tried it, Stalin tried it, Hitler tried it. They all failed and they were using genocidal force.
    Obama is just talking to the Bishops and giving in to the Bishops demands (to respect Church concerns).
    By the way, JulettaofOhio, you know the Bishops are against the Middle East wars and against the death penalty, so I hope you are on board with the Bishops.

  168. Pepp February 20, 2012 at 9:04 pm #

    Jim.. a great read again. Can’t argue with any of it. God forgive me, Jim, but I dont want this panoply of idiocy to end.. to me, lucky as I am to be 10,000 miles of deep blue water from the USA, its pure comedy gold.
    A Rumanian playwright, from the Theatre of the Absurd called Ionescue wrote plays that forecast the republican candidates. His plays were a silent stage, then a shambling, jiggling figure would pace stifflegged around uttering yelps and screams, then exit stage left.
    Then from stage right, another figure, clacking teeth, gesturing improbably , drooling, head shaking, jittering , would enter and yelp.
    then another, from stage left .. a wierder apparition enters, .. .but you get my drift.
    Didn’t take long for the quintessential character from an Ionescue play , Vlad , to try and hijack the blog yet again with the droolings of the delusional and lobotomised.
    oh well.

  169. kleymo February 20, 2012 at 9:14 pm #

    Has anyone read any of Mr. Kuntsler’s novels from before The Long Emergency? If not, I urge you all to do so. The storylines always move along at a fast clip, lots of laughing will take place, and the vocabulary used is quite rich and varied. I have one to go ( An Embarrasment of Riches).
    Take a break from the end of the world with the ouvre of James Howard Kuntsler.

  170. rippedthunder February 20, 2012 at 9:36 pm #

    That’d be Tucker’s I believe. Beautiful spot just north of the Colebrook. Count me in. I’ll be there on the R60. I just set out the havahart for the biggest skunk I’ve ever seen . He’s been messing with the dogs for weeks now. Damn Yorkies are too territorial. They have been sprayed maybe 6 times now. This polecat is bigger than Jasper, and Jasper is a fatass at 15 lbs. I put out my best rancid salmon skin. I know I’ll have him in the AM. Upcountry he goes. Maybe I’ll bring him to O3’s house. :o)

  171. jeff z February 20, 2012 at 9:37 pm #

    I’ve read them. The Geography of Nowhere and Home from Nowhere. Both brilliant and hilarious and really the truth about the suburbs at a time when nobody else was talking about them.
    BTW- I like the term “Progressivism’s bowling trophy.” I may have to use that one myself.
    At my own blog, where I try to piece together a reasonable persons’ response to an unreasonable economy and world, I’m reviewing my 2009 decision to tear up my front lawn and plant stuff- some edible, some not. I get into the costs of doing so in the comments too. See it at:

  172. JulettaofOhio February 20, 2012 at 9:47 pm #

    Do we or do we not have freedom of religion? I understand that the basic tenant is that the State cannot force a state-sponsored religion, but also believe it to be that Obama cannot force my church to go against its conscience. He may have bitten off more than he can chew with this one. Obama is in love with abortion and I’m sure he won’t mind destroying a 2000+ social construct which has helped millions. And no, I was never molested, nor was anyone with whom I went to parochial school. Pedophiles come in all forms of filth and depravity and not all of them are Catholic. Just before you start in…..
    Why on earth would you think I’m pro-war in any-thing or any area? Another massive leap to vain conclusion on your part.

  173. asoka. February 20, 2012 at 9:51 pm #

    Do we or do we not have freedom of religion?
    Yes, which is why you can continue to go to Mass whenever you like. No one is stopping you from practicing your religion. No one is forcing you to have an abortion.
    Are you with the Bishops on opposing the death penalty? Or do you support the death penalty? I am not jumping to conclusions. I am asking because I don’t know.

  174. Poet February 20, 2012 at 10:00 pm #

    Wine in the Wind
    The birds are getting dizzy
    And it isn’t from the height,
    The eyes of dawn are bloodshot
    And it isn’t from the light,
    There is wine, too much wine
    In the wind
    The weeping willow’s laughing
    And the gladiola’s sad,
    The sea’s asleep and peaceful,
    And the trees are fighting mad,
    There is wine, too much wine,
    In the wind
    A strange intoxication,
    Is being carried on the air,
    The world is losing balance,
    But nobody seems to care,
    The grass is turning scarlet,
    And there’s murder in the rain,
    The souls of men are dying,
    But nobody feels the pain
    There is wine, too much wine,
    In the wind

  175. rippedthunder February 20, 2012 at 10:06 pm #

    Yo A, I was gonna have an abortion but I could not get pregnant! I tried for years but the seed would not take! OK, not funny! Sorry! I will send a picture of the rascilly bastard skunk when I catch him! Sumbitch!!!1

  176. JulettaofOhio February 20, 2012 at 10:39 pm #

    I think you have no possible idea of what goes through the minds of these human beings. In some way, you consider yourself to be highly superior to people who lack, perhaps, your gift as a rather snarky “medium” who could foretell the future back in the 1970s. Those of us in the agrarian south were much more aware of diminishing resources, even Bubba-Joe-Bob down in Frog Holler. Being rather forcibly transferred to Ohio, it was also clear to us that the “rust belt” was a bad omen, and the rust cancer has continued to spread. What exactly, in your exalted wisdom, do you want people to do about the current mess? Don’t bash people you don’t know unless you have a cure for what pisses you off. It may turn out that YOU are the problem.

  177. Buck Stud February 20, 2012 at 10:39 pm #

    That’s an impressive amount of weight to lose Bustin – so long Cheese Doodles and Ding Dongs!
    It’s always interesting to note the stark overall weight difference between American individuals from the earlier parts of the twentieth century in comparison to the current era. Obviously, there is a huge dietary factor – I do not dismiss Wage’s Earl Butz theory – but to my eyes the relatively sedentary lifestyle of today in comparison to the active lifestyles of earlier times is every bit the contributing factor. Even when I look at today’s fit person trained at the gym in contrast to the lithe, bones and muscle physique of the old-timers I have to think something is lacking in terms of “work”. For example, if anybody has ever had the experience (misfortune?) of working as a hod-carrier in a summer job or whatnot, it becomes very obvious that the gym experience can never match the overall body synergy/integration required to do that type of manual labor: building scaffolds, mixing mortar, stocking bricks, climbing scaffold with mud or bricks like a human orangutang – my God, the specific adaptation to imposed demand is primal; a man’s inner Tarzan awakens and no lack of Jane’s are willing to palpatate bronze covered muscles on hot June nights.
    Take a look at those magnificient workers who built the Golden Gate Bridge. As one of them revealed, ” we ate nails for breakfast”.

  178. JulettaofOhio February 20, 2012 at 10:45 pm #

    Smokey: We were horrified to find so many of the textile mills are closed down, particularly in Virginia. Danriver, an upscale brand in the 60s, is defunct, as are most of the manufacturing sites. I expected to see that in Ohio, but didn’t realize it had spread so far. The boys killed in Iraq probably wouldn’t have the chance to work in the mines (a mixed blessing, at best) since Obama has managed to shut most of them down in an effort to kill off most of the working class and ensure higher and higher energy costs. Why? In the meantime, MegaButt skies at great taxpayer expense. Hypocrits and murderers, both of them.

  179. JulettaofOhio February 20, 2012 at 10:54 pm #

    You’re so rude that I doubt you care about the opinion of anyone other than yourself. However, to honor Vlad, who could be easily mistaken for a shining example of a Southern Gentleman, I’ll answer. No, I’m not in favor of the death penalty. If you came after my kids, I’d shoot you myself, but otherwise I wouldn’t want to waste tax payer dollars trying to save your worthless ass.
    I can go to mass anytime I like, but I resent the money I give going to the government to indulge Obama’s whims. It’s the tax code all over again. If they can’t break you any other way, they can take all your money and money, as they know all too well, is power. The money I give to my church is supposed to go to our programs, but any funds collected, even those for retired nuns, will have to go to Obama. Hope you enjoy Sharia! I won’t.

  180. asoka. February 20, 2012 at 11:01 pm #

    In the meantime, MegaButt skies at great taxpayer expense. Hypocrits and murderers, both of them.
    Michelle is a model First Lady working with childhood obesity and military families. Who has she murdered?
    Would you ever consider voting for a woman for Vice-President or President? Did you vote for Sarah Palin when she was going to be Vice-President?

  181. asoka. February 20, 2012 at 11:11 pm #

    Hope you enjoy Sharia! I won’t.
    You already are! Do you know what Sharia is?
    Just rules made up by a religious body. You are already following rules made by your religious body. You voluntarily submit to those rules made by the religious authorities. Muslim women do the same.
    Oh, you say the rules are not the same? That’s right and that’s why Muslims are not Catholics and Catholics are not Muslims. Each accepts the rules they want to accept.
    Before you go there, it only counts as authentic religion when it is voluntary, not by force.
    I agree with the Qu’ran: “Let there be no compulsion in religion.” Qur’an 2:256

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  184. Eleuthero February 20, 2012 at 11:55 pm #

    Dating Sites, Jet-Setters, Bird’s Eye View of Resource Waste
    You see a lot of stuff about the entitled American on dating sites. One of those things is the ubiquity of people who are over 50 but who want to summer in Cannes, winter in a Swiss chalet, and who think that being “outdoorsy” means driving 100 miles to Big Basin in an SUV so that you can mountain bike five miles on a nature trail.
    These sites are sooooooooo tragic and yet with more than enough parody for an entire book. Most of these people exhaust me just reading their profiles and their carbon footprint is the size of a Siberian Peat Bog’s annual methane production. Any single guys out there who want to see how average people cannot label something a “good time” unless it involves a jet flight or a long trip to a “nature spot” in an ATV/SUV … join a dating site. It’s America at its WORST.

  185. Pucker February 20, 2012 at 11:57 pm #

    JHK wrote: “If neither party can frame an agenda consistent with that reality, then we’ll have to get there without them, probably after a very rough period…”
    The video entitled “There’s No Tomorrow” on Orlov’s website ( ) fast forwards to the contracted, simplified future.
    But one would think that there would probably be a few billion people perishing in the interim?

  186. asoka. February 21, 2012 at 12:13 am #

    Try a bookstore.

  187. anti soak February 21, 2012 at 12:41 am #

    And Obama’s State Department and Justice Department meanwhile work to import more and more Islamic radicals into the USA under the UN “refugee” programs, also fighting against various State initiatives which would outlaw Sharia Law — which is Islamic fascist law.
    ………………………………………………………………………………….Obama once declared “The Islamic call to prayer is the most beautiful sound”, imitating its inflection with a delightful grin on his face when being interviewed by Stephanopolos.
    His “Trinity Church” in Chicago is half-Islamic, allowing Muslims to use the facility on Fridays for Islamic praying, and it is probably the only “Church” in the USA which printed the Hamas Charter calling for the destruction of Israel into its Church Newsletter. That congregation, led by the vicious Rev. “God Da*m America” Wright is no place any decent human could attend unless terribly brainwashed. But there Obama sat
    Obama does all he can to bring the Muslim Brotherhood into power across the Muslim world, just as he supported his Islamic buddy Odinga in Kenya even after Odina organized mass-murder of Christians in incendiary speeches which led to open riots — no apologies of course, he never does anything wrong.
    So Christians across North Africa will continue to be massacred in increasing numbers while Obama sends Billions of US tax money to the PA and PLO factions, who hate Americans and kill us, and the Jews, whenever they get the chance.
    Egypt now has “religious policemen” just like Saudi Arabia, and both Tunisia and Libya will follow, and this will happen in Syria also.
    Obama policies thereby betray women in ways that the stupid Bush only did in Afghanistan, by allowing their radical fanatics to push Sharia Law. …………………………………..
    His first foreign policy initiative was to give a speech in Cairo, where he demanded the Muslim Brotherhood to be present, even though they had murdered the peace-making Sadat, and had tried to kill Mubarak several times.

  188. asoka. February 21, 2012 at 12:51 am #

    also fighting against various State initiatives which would outlaw Sharia Law…
    The State cannot found or establish or modify a religion. That is unconstitutional.
    The State cannot “outlaw” religious law. Sharia has nothing to do with the State.

  189. Belisarius February 21, 2012 at 12:54 am #

    “It is becoming very clear the age of cheap oil is coming quickly to a close (6-8% drop in demand for US yet sustained $100/b)”
    I agree, but why might surprise you.
    In December the oil price was drifting down, with the gasoline price dropping a bit faster. The bankers who own the oil companies, the governments, and the war corps bought some oil futures. Then they had their politician puppets rattle some sabers in the Middle East. This got the oil price bid up, increased arms orders and military exercises that burn lots of fuel. Meanwhile they had production reduced here and there to firm things up. They win (at least) three ways and we all get to pay them more as civilian oil demand drops further.

  190. jarrollin February 21, 2012 at 12:57 am #

    OK. This is a funny column/blog. Everything in the world is very funny. It’s funny that mainstream media maintain that they practice journalism. It’s funny that there is nothing one can do to challenge the powerful. It’s funny that society still runs full speed without facing its real problems. It’s funny that Obama signs things into law that are increasingly authoritarian. It’s funny that the psychotic right wing base would love to see their elected leader use that power. It’s funny that Greece burns. It’s funny that talking heads repeatedly imply these astronomical debts can be paid, while keeping a straight face. It’s funny how many Persian Gulf residents the U.S. has slaughtered, feigning to be the good guy. It’s funny that we went into Iraq with a bang and are entering into Iran as quietly as we can — neither invasion being justified. It’s funny the pundits still say the word “Democracy” like that’s what it’s all about. It’s increasingly hilarious when a pundit can cram all these things in a blurb or two. It’s not language. It’s delerium. Yet, people agree with great conviction. It’s just all so effing amazingly funny. I’m not threatening suicide, or anything. But God would I love to get off this ride now –it’s just that I’m reeling from laughter. I did almost laugh at the point where JHK wrote they’d wonder where all the Sonic restaurants went. That elicited a bonafide chuckle.

  191. Belisarius February 21, 2012 at 1:07 am #

    It’s president’s day, and the president saw his shadow today. Guess that means we get another year of bullshit?? 🙂

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  197. Patrizia February 21, 2012 at 2:29 am #

    It is that kind of funny that doesn´t make me laugh…

  198. tegmark February 21, 2012 at 2:59 am #

    The internal contradiction of the Identity Principle is that in order for two entities to be the same they must be distinguishable as two therefore there must be some difference, some element that distinguishes them and at the same time in order for them to be different there must be some element of the two that are the same in order to even compare them, to even relate them. Some element of the two entities must be exactly the same, equivalent in order to even relate them since any comparison between the two must be hinged on some reference point, some invariant that serves as the starting point, the zero of the coordinate system so to say from which to measure the two and obtain two different measurements and some element must be infinitely different in order to distinguish them, to declare them as two entities upon which the Identity Principle can be declared, the values V1, V2 that are plugged into the function “Identity Principle(V1, V2)”.
    So they are the same and different at the same time, a pure total contradiction, thought paths and processes break down, logic breaks down, this is the end of the line for our Man Brain as it is presently configured and designed. You must change the design of the present Man Brain to eliminate the contradiction…
    Also, time is the constant change of the configuration of bits describing the entire universe, and since this configuration is always changing no matter what, in a sense time travel is impossible because each time instant is one configuration of bits that will never come back again and can never be obtained again, each instant is a unique number that can never be written down again no matter what, a fleeting number that was and will never be again no matter what, no matter how infinite the universe is in size and time or anything else, infinity in time and space and anything cannot ever make that fleeting instant appear again, no matter what. So this can be a definition of time.
    Of course you can locally configure the bits of a chunk of matter in a cube to be exactly like New Jersey in 1953 with all the people there and reproduce the exact same “Information Relationships” between people and their minds and memories and all and actually really travel back in time, at least as far as our Man Brain experience can tell and distinguish (let alone play around with it inserting new memories and mixing different time slots and elements, different time periods (a year 2000 model car in NJ of 1953 and such) to see how people react and such). But the chunk of matter in the cube that is configured accordingly to make believe and simulate that it is an environment that “once was” is delimited in space, maybe a chunk of matter, a cube of matter 100 km wide and long and high where the simulation of that exact past is being performed in such a way that the actors within that “fake past” could never tell that they are in a fake reality, since the only thing that counts is the Experience and Reciprocal Information Relationships between the actors and their interaction with the material items and people surrounding them. However, outside of the cube of matter playing out the simulation, time would still be flowing forward, the configuration of the universe as a whole would still be ever changing, just that cube would be repeating a sequence that was performed previously for only some very small and insignificant subset of the universe as a whole, a small chunk of matter returning back to a configuration it once had, but only for that very small chunk of matter, it can easily be done and performed and played out. So it wouldn’t contradict the laws of the never returning numbers again.
    That would beg the question: is there a metaphysical entity, property of matter that makes it deeply different from itself, from another configuration of matter exactly equivalent, mathematically equivalent being billions of light years across, even if just one photon millions of light years away is different as compared to an exactly equivalent chunk of matter inside a cube of hundreds of millions of light years across ? In other words, take two cubes of matter 100 million light years wide and high and long, make them 100 % exactly equivalent and then change just one photon: does that change the two chunks in such a way as to express the flow of time ? is time hinged only on change no matter how small, and change is constant if only because particles are never at thermal rest ?

  199. anti soak February 21, 2012 at 3:02 am #

    Pucker..are you referring to PLAEDIAN WALK INS?

  200. Pucker February 21, 2012 at 3:04 am #

    Interesting post entitled “Notes from the Field” on Orlov’s website disabusing us of the romanticism of a rustic life on the farm. In short, it’s hard work and just down right boring.
    As Forrest Gump would say: “Shrimp’n is tough.”
    But maybe a tough, boring, anti-intellectual life is all that man was meant for?

  201. Pucker February 21, 2012 at 3:35 am #

    “Plaedian Walk Ins”? What particular belief system are we talking about?

  202. old69 February 21, 2012 at 4:44 am #

    Check out:
    Ok, now it no longer belongs in the Rant House.
    Ok, now it no longer belongs in the Rant House.

  203. old69 February 21, 2012 at 4:46 am #

    Check out:
    Ok, now it no longer belongs in the Rant House.
    Ok, now it no longer belongs in the Rant House.

  204. Eleuthero February 21, 2012 at 6:19 am #

    Do you have to pimp your websites constantly? Look, it’s all philosophical mental masturbation as are all the nihilistic rants under one of your other many “identities” about how we should kill nature and build 1000 ft. skyscrapers.
    This site is now one of the biggest parodies on earth!! We have posters who just run word permutation programs to generate semantically meaningless text. We have Tegmark/Old69 to write obscurantist scientific gibberish. We have the Rainbow Coalition and the Hebrew Coalitions fighting to the death for their brethren, right or wrong making no difference and tribal allegiance the ENTIRE DIFFERENCE though if Whitey does it he’s a “Nazi”. We have the Chinese pictograph posts.
    JHK … your blog is in ICU and very, very close to death. Might as well shut it down. Consider it to be “assisted suicide”.

  205. Eleuthero February 21, 2012 at 6:30 am #

    And Mr. Obama looked the other way when the exercise of the Paul-Grayson Amendment to the Dodd-Frank Bill led to the discovery that TARP was $16 Trillion, not $800 Billion. Why Mr. Obama hasn’t even brought the subject up, why he hasn’t summarily fired Mr. Bernanke, constitute two more mysteries in an ever-building mysterium of obfuscation such that we don’t know whether to shit or go blind.

  206. h7m1s7g1 February 21, 2012 at 6:55 am #

    ??[??][?????]??????????2011-09-14 10:43,126????

  207. rippedthunder February 21, 2012 at 7:39 am #

    E, I think I’ll Shit!

  208. rippedthunder February 21, 2012 at 7:53 am #

    Mornin’ Buck. I’ve done my fair share of “de-construction”. Here in the NE we have a lot of old houses. The human energy put into these things amazes me. One room has thousands of laths each nailed by hand. Also who were these guys mixing plaster in tubs and carrying it up 4 floors all day. You gotta know it’s easier throwin’ it down than haulin’ it up! The guys troweling plaster on the ceilings must had had shoulders like oxen! Try holding your arm over your head for twenty minutes! Never mind 10-12 hours a day. I don’t consider myself a “softie” at all, but I hold these ol’ timers in high regard.

  209. youmouyixia February 21, 2012 at 7:53 am #

      The weight of the women in the United Kingdom a high of 254 kg to become the fattest woman in the UK. Size is too large mobility, she has been "trapped" at home for up to four years, never leaves his home, half a step.
      It is reported that the 43-year-old woman named Brenda Flanagan Davis, living in the United Kingdom Gateshead City, was a salesman. Solar Water Heater
      Today, Brenda daily overeating nine chocolate bars with 3 liters of soda with her ??food, a day to absorb the heat up to 6,000 calories, which is three times that of ordinary people. Because obesity move huge body has always been her great challenge, and even walk 20 feet (6 meters) to go to the toilet will be tired out of breath.
      It is reported that before Britain’s fattest woman named Sharon, weight up to 286 kg, died in 2010. solar heater

  210. old69 February 21, 2012 at 8:19 am #

    “Why is there Something rather than Nothing” ?
    What are the constraints ? What reference system is imposing what constraints on reality, the universe, its design, its logic, etc. ? None, and in fact questions like this imply some external, more general reference system where some kinds of laws or logic, some constraints are operating such that there must be some kind of logical answer: nothing further from the truth, the more general reference system, the superset where the universe or/and our logic, language, or the Principles of Identity and Non Contradiction are operating is a subset of, is a system where absolutely anything goes: even an answer like “NO REASON AT ALL”, or “JUST BECAUSE” or anything else you can imagine.
    The fact is we cannot imagine or contain a reference system that doesn’t have logic, non contradiction and is void of cause and effects, whereas this is exactly the reference system where the universe and our laws of physics are delimited in: and this reference system is so general that it has no space or time constraints, no existence constraints, no constraints at all, or constraints which are way beyond our capability to conceive: and in fact the typical answers such as the “higher probability of something against nothing is the reason why there is something” implies that you are already within a smaller, simpler, more limited subset and reference system compared to a free and non constraining general reference system, implies that cause and effect and non contradiction are operating, but that already simply brings us back to our universe anyways, whereas the answer to why there is something and not nothing is outside of our logic and universe and even outside of any of our language and constructions and thought processes and such. In other words, it is even outside of the concepts of Questions and Answers, the question can have any and no answer at all, and you are free to lie, as saying non truths and lies and contradictions is the only way to begin to approach these kinds of problems, if they are even problems, if they are even questions and such.
    Hence, why something and not nothing ? Just Because, FOR NO REASON AT ALL.

  211. old69 February 21, 2012 at 8:22 am #

    That was From:
    Hey Busty:
    And I am a 21st Century Schizoid Man.
    2001 A Space Odyssey.
    Planet of the Apes.

  212. 8man February 21, 2012 at 8:32 am #

    Interesting to see the difference between Theoretical Physics and Philosophy – Metaphysics:
    Theoretical Physics:
    Essentially states How far can we take logical and mathematical structures and still make them somehow be tied up to the real physical world, still have some kind of connection, even though very weak or indirect with physical reality ? An example could be Superstring Theory.
    Philosophy and Metaphysics:
    Essentially states How far can logical and mathematical structures be pushed operating on items as far removed as possible from the physical world, items as abstract, absurd and impossible as possible, hence having zero connection to the real physical world, but still being connected to each other through any form of logic, mathematical or thought processes and sequences ? An example could be the invention of a new state – meaning – concept expressing it as “the square root of the word thought”.
    But whereas the theoretical physicist and also the mathematician still has some constraints upon what he can do by some connection, no matter how weak, with the real world, or at least with some possible logic that is somewhat non contradictory and that somewhat still must follow some sense, the metaphysical and philosophical “Inventor” no longer has any constraints whatsoever, is free to investigate anything at all, make up any connections he wants, invent anything he wants, doesn’t have any possible constraint operating upon his tasks. But then items as contradictory and absurd as possible can always be connected to each other or invented, just their existence, their delimitation in our mind, their presence already provides them with a minimum of logical and mathematical structure as in order to exist, in order to contain them in our mind, in order to even speak about them they must at least follow the basic principles of identity and non contradiction..

  213. ccm989 February 21, 2012 at 8:35 am #

    HA! Level headed Chris Christie? Obviously Mr. Kunstler does not live in New Jersey. Christie is such a COWARD that he refused to sign into law the NJ Gay marriage bill because he is afraid of what outside conservatives will think when he runs for president in 2016. Despite overwhelming public support in NJ, Christie didn’t have the balls to sign it. Now he wants to reduce income tax. NJ residents want property taxes to go down (like he promised repeatedly in his campaign). Income tax not so much. Income tax reduction helps the rich not the average working class stiff, so of course, Christie helps his rich cronies. Where will Christie get the lost tax revenue after reducing income tax – by raising property taxes AGAIN!
    Further insanity is the price of gas. But here’s the thing, the price of gas is controlled by commodities brokers not the government. Commodities brokers have one goal and one goal only – make obscene amounts of cash. If it is causes the economy to tank, they don’t care. Patriotism is not their thing. And the proposed pipeline running down from Canada to Texas isn’t carrying oil for America. Its carrying oil for the highest bidder to buy. They aren’t about to sell it at a discount to Americans just because its destroying American farmland, etc. Again corporate money rules. The only silver lining in this cloud of doom is that Iran cannot afford to stop producing oil for the export market. And there is no pipeline from Iran to China. The sanctions seem to be having some positive effect as Iran has contacted Hillary Clinton, looking to make some kind of deal. Sanctions are far more effective both cost wise and military wise than sending in American troops to die so housewives can drive their Hummers to the supermarket.
    Then we have the Catholic Church claiming that being forced to pay for its employees’ birth control is against their First Amendment rights. Really. What happens when Warren Jeffs, a Mormon polygamist currently incarcerated in TX, says his religious rights as a Mormon have been violated by the federal government. After all, Mormons traditionally married multiple women and often under aged ones at that. Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon church, himself was a practicing polygamist. So Warren Jeffs could easily claim his First Amendment rights have been violated and that he has been falsely imprisoned for practicing his faith. O what a can of worms the Catholic Church has opened.

  214. budizwiser February 21, 2012 at 9:08 am #

    Is there anyone out in web space that would like to discuss the concept “the lesser of two evils” as it relates to voting for a particular candidate?
    Many of my acquaintances think that a “right-thinking” person should vote for Obama because he is the “lesser of two evils” compared to Romney or other viable candidates.
    My current state of mind prefers not to endorse either of the main candidate and “protest” the two party system by writing in a vote for Ron Paul.
    What are you views? Please you my moniker when replying -I can’t afford wasting too much time wading through the rest of the clap-trap posted here.

  215. The Mook February 21, 2012 at 9:44 am #

    I was wathching Action News 6 in Philadelphia and they had a minute on doomers. Guess who’s picture popped up. Yep, head doomer JHK himself. The scary part is I recognized him before the graphic of his name popped up.

  216. progress2conserve February 21, 2012 at 9:53 am #

    Still with the South-bashing we see, JHK.
    Yeah, Santorum is a putz, but he was raised in Putzsylvania and was elected to two US Senate terms by the Putzsylvania voters. Apparently, defense of the Holy Fetus is a big deal up there, too.
    I don’t know if its just me and Eleuthero, but CFN seems worn out right now, or maybe the whole World is wearing out, and CFN is just a weird funhouse mirror reflection of this. Last weeks revelations were just about enough to covince me that the supposed egalitarian ideals of the US are becoming a surface veneer – or maybe that they always were. Abundant resources and cheap energy protected that veneer for a long time, but nothing lasts forever, right?
    Bill of Boston, be sure you consider my last few posts of last week.
    It’s bad to lose a friend.
    It’s altogether worse to create an enemy.

  217. The Mook February 21, 2012 at 9:57 am #

    Get in ya cah and head ova to the Masshole picnic.

  218. ozone February 21, 2012 at 10:08 am #

    Mookie, I don’t think you got that accent quite right. That’s more E. MA, on up ta Nooh Hampshah way.
    Anyway, I be the Masshole, WSP would be the Conne’ticunt, if you would.
    Please use the appropriate terms of address for the individuals, accordingly. ;o)

  219. mika. February 21, 2012 at 10:10 am #

    I don’t know if its just me and Eleuthero, but CFN seems worn out right now
    You, Vlad, and “EL TORO”. Your tribe is calling, buckweed. As is your CIA/Roman King, aka the Pope.

  220. ozone February 21, 2012 at 10:15 am #

    I’m with you on this.
    The “lesser evil” is still evil, and I don’t go that shit.
    I either write MY choice in, write “none of the above”, or skip that portion of the ballot.
    To add to that, I don’t think it matters much, as it’s them that counts/mis-counts the votes what decides the winners (for us losers).

  221. mika. February 21, 2012 at 10:37 am #

    List of highest-income counties in the United States
    5/ Howard County, Maryland
    Howard County is a county located in the central part of the U.S. state of Maryland, between Baltimore and Washington, D.C. It is considered part of the Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area.
    Howard County, Maryland (MD) Religion Statistics Profile – Columbia, Ellicott City, Elkridge, North Laurel, Savage-Guilford
    54% Catholic!?
    Another coincidence? I think not.

  222. ozone February 21, 2012 at 10:38 am #

    Sorry to ramble on about this, but it does speak to JHK’s topic this week. (How fucking ODD; imagine that!)
    As an example, GW happened to be the “lesser” Boosh, but he sure managed to spread around just as much evil as his syphilitic sire. Shocking how that happened, eh? Who could possibly have foreseen that coming about under the rubric of “compassionate conservatism”?
    Oopsie, the psychopathic and the addled religionistas have co-opted the mantle of “Conservatism”, and have actually MADE IT STICK!
    (That should point right at the boobitry of the polity, but somehow, that little item never gets discussed. Don’t denigrate the customers; they’ll stop buying.)
    So now we see: The modern incarnation of “conservative” has nothing to do with morality, good governance (with the consent of the governed) or conserving the natural world. It’s now about the Authoritarian POWER to make other people bend their knee to insane “visionaries”. Somehow, they feel that if everyone is forced to believe in the unreal, then manna will flow from the heavens, and the lion will instantly apologize for eating the lamb.
    Guess I don’t go THAT shit either…

  223. ozone February 21, 2012 at 10:48 am #

    Beli say:
    “It’s president’s day, and the president saw his shadow today. Guess that means we get another year of bullshit?? :)”
    Keeeeee-rect! (Another year, at the very least.)

  224. mika. February 21, 2012 at 10:53 am #

    List of highest-income counties in the United States
    8/ Morris County, New Jersey
    Morris County is a county located in the U.S. state of New Jersey, about 25 mi (40 km) west of New York City. According to the United States 2010 Census, the population was 492,276. It is part of the New York Metropolitan Area.
    Morris County, New Jersey Religion Statistics Profile
    67% Catholic!?
    Another coincidence? I think not.

  225. greyghost05 February 21, 2012 at 10:53 am #

    Probably because all these fine folks in government are on the same side. They are all in to line their pockets and fuck every one else !
    It’s going to get worse. Just wait till the 5 dollar a gallon gas hits and people can’t afford to buy food because it has become so over priced. A little ditty: FOOD & FUEL are not included in the Consumer Price Index, imagine that ? The books are cooked ! This is all being controlled and doesn’t have to happen.
    If you have room, plant a garden and learn how to hunt and fish. Might just come in handy.

  226. ozone February 21, 2012 at 11:06 am #

    “HA! Level headed Chris Christie? Obviously Mr. Kunstler does not live in New Jersey. Christie is such a COWARD that he refused to sign into law the NJ Gay marriage bill because he is afraid of what outside conservatives will think when he runs for president in 2016.” -CCM
    As you’re saying, this is the making of his bones in the RW “conservative” family. (It’s the “fuck the will of the people” gang, y’know.) And who’s to say anybody’s waiting for 2016? He’s got til the convention to lose a little flab to look a bit more fit fer th’ prez’dinsy, at which time he’ll be dubbed the oligarchs’ Great White Whale [of a] Hope in a thrilling and surprising upset!
    Will the ‘Murkin People have the courage and foresight to elect a fat bastard to waddle about the Oviod Office? We shall see… but he’s got to pay his own health care insurance, damnit!
    (Who was the last one anyhoo? Grover Cleveland? Quiz on Friday kids… no, settle down, wait for the bell…)

  227. mika. February 21, 2012 at 11:07 am #

    Probably because all these fine folks in government are on the same side. They are all in to line their pockets and fuck every one else !
    And the great majority of the gov mafia parasites just happen to work for military and surveillance industry and also happen to be Catholic. Very interesting, don’t you think? Especially considering that the Southern US is being deliberately flooded with Mexicans, who also happen to be Catholic.

  228. greyghost05 February 21, 2012 at 11:09 am #

    I live in a 100+ year old farm house out here in Michigan. The wall studs are true dimentional 2X4’s and the outer walls are rough cut 1X12’s plus all the wood is oak. The lath and floor boards aren’t but the place is stout for sure. Can’t say that for the Mc Mansions my neighbors live in. My home was constructed in sections with the earliest starting back when the area was settled in 1868. The barn and out buildings have 12X12 beams with adz cut marks and on some bark from the tree they were cut from. I have no idea how long that it took to build the house or the barn(40X98X45 with 3 hay mews). My guess is at least a year or 2. I’m the 3rd owner. When I bought it from my friends Dad who grew up here, he spoke of when he was a kid they had to bundle up in the winter and drink the glass of water before they went to bed or the water would freeze over night and break the glass. When I bought it in 95, it still had no “modern” heating. I had an oil furnace/forced air system put in. Big fucking mistake with the $4.00 oil I now have. Cron burner this summer. I can grow enough to heat with.
    Thank God for the “mild” winter.

  229. greyghost05 February 21, 2012 at 11:15 am #

    You should see the crowds at Cabelas in Dundee Michigan. Weapons and ammo sales are going big time ! Most people you talk to all say they just “have this feeling that something bad is going to happen”.
    I hope they’re wrong but “Be Prepared !”

  230. anti soak February 21, 2012 at 11:39 am #

    NPR, 9am:
    Dow hits 13000.
    Gas at all time high for February.

  231. ozone February 21, 2012 at 12:24 pm #

    Another heating machine for your consideration.
    I like mine.
    (Still need ee-lek-tris’ty to run the pumps, but not all that much total amperage.)

  232. bubbleheadMarc February 21, 2012 at 12:33 pm #

    You must be thinking of Taft, Teddy Roosevelt’s vice president, who succeeded TR and was by far and away the most obese president.

  233. ozone February 21, 2012 at 12:38 pm #

    That’s it!! Thanks, BHM. Didn’t he have to be buried in a piano case, or some such?
    Shit, I’ve failed my own quiz. Oh, the humiliation and shame!

  234. ozone February 21, 2012 at 12:40 pm #

    I meant to add to:
    “Oh, the humiliation and shame; I’ll never be able to show my junk in public again!”

  235. The Mook February 21, 2012 at 12:45 pm #

    Roger that. My buddy Capt. Mike Zdanowicz in Gloucester clued me in on how he was a Masshole. I did not know that there was a limited supply of them. My only problem with them is that they love when we bring Yuengling up with us. They actually have their pictures taken with the stack of cases. I think I’d rather drink a Gennessee.

  236. ozone February 21, 2012 at 12:49 pm #

    I think many will find this of interest. The possible unmasking of the greatest fraud in written history. The collapse of MFGlobal was a tiny example of the underlying scam.
    Okay, ’nuff outta me. Besides it’s time for the disinformation experts’ (there’s an oxymoron fer ya) next shift to begin.
    See yez ’round the block.

  237. ozone February 21, 2012 at 12:55 pm #

    Last thang, I promise.
    I didn’t mean to imply that the supply is limited, just that I ALSO belong to the subset.
    (After all, we is livin’ in the USofA. As the Irish will readily tell you [among others], that stands for: Unlimited Supply of Assholes.)

  238. tucsonspur February 21, 2012 at 1:20 pm #

    Pithy and sagacious commentary for the most part, Jim. I liked your balance between the conservative and the progressive impulse, both of these currently vexed by reality, as you mention.
    As a former New Yorker, a frazzled urbanite trying to compose his one out of eight million stories in the naked city, I’m puzzled by your comments on the South. Were you at one time revoltingly mishandled by some meaty Bubba?
    Suburban angst is just about everywhere, and TV evangelist con-artists are probably as common in California as they are in Dixie. There are about 3500 Sonic drive-ins and about 4400 Walmarts nationwide, and air conditioning companies are present in Alaska.
    At this point our choices are essentially Hobsonian, and neither the governor of New Jersey or Indiana can put us on that road to reality. They may give us better directions, but they can’t take us there.
    As for Obama, you pretty much nailed it. “He is mainly Progressivism’s bowling trophy, its symbol of its own triumphant wonderfulness in overcoming the age old phantoms of race prejudice.” Absolutely magnificent! However, one must be careful here. I believe that these racial phantoms (i.e. bugbears,) were not overcome but merely displaced. Too much to go into, so I’ll leave it there.
    Many of us might like to return to yesterday’s comfortable armchair, if only to prolong the inevitable. Certainly our current situation is unsustainable, and Democrat or Republican, it’s Scylla or Charybdis.
    Yes, civilization must be reorganized, but the masters of myopia and machination have moved us unalterably towards the disorganization of the coming maelstrom. Meliorism has had its day, and the collective impuissance keeps us on track for the turmoil that lies ahead.
    Where is that courageous, visionary captain who could steer us through the looming chaos, or, much more, avoid it? Nowhere, because the Zeitgeist, among other things, can’t yet produce him. Fate will be his father and mayhem his mother, and he will have many brothers.
    Anyway, at this time we can certainly answer Merle Haggard’s old question, “… is the best of the free life behind us now, are the good times really over for good?”

  239. Vlad Krandz February 21, 2012 at 1:29 pm #

    Of course. They would protect the Rose of Dundee from those who would despoil her. And the swarthy men who plan to feast in the White Tower shall dine on Lead.
    We must reverse the alchemical process: gold into lead, ploughshares into swords, and pruning hooks into spears. Hard? Yes. Impossible? No. With Slack, all things are possible. Or at least most.

  240. Vlad Krandz February 21, 2012 at 1:33 pm #

    New Hampshire is worse: watch out for the guys who look like Fred Flintstone. These lower types must be bred out of the race. Call it Eugenics.
    And let he who is without taint cast the first stone.

  241. rippedthunder February 21, 2012 at 1:47 pm #

    Hey GG5, I burn oil also. I just got 150 gallons this am $3.64 a gallon! Luckily last winter I put in a Mr. Slim Heat Pump. It does heat and AC and is maybe 24 SEER. Super efficient. It’s electric though so no power no heaty!. Unfortunatly I lost a bunch of trees in the Halloween storm so I have cord wood up the ying-yang! Sounds like a great barn there. I’ve got a 20×40 two story with chestnut beams . Filled with treasures! The “American Pickers” are coming by next week!

  242. San Jose Mom 51 February 21, 2012 at 1:50 pm #

    Drones on the Range,
    Oh give me a home
    Where unmanned drones roam
    And the trucks and hummers do play
    Where seldom is heard, a swear-free phrased word
    And the banksters tell lies all day.
    Drones, drones on the range……
    Regarding american accents. I think Colorado has the most normal accent. Californians have accents and the teenagers say “like” every other word. New York accents are hard on my ears, as are people in California speaking Chinese.
    When I lived in Houston, I was embarrased because I could barely understand blacks. A couple of months later, I adjusted. Italian is the most pleasant language for listening.
    BTW, the Swedes make fun the accent down in Malmo. They think the Danes sound as if they have mashed potatoes in their mouth.
    Guten tag,

  243. rippedthunder February 21, 2012 at 1:52 pm #

    Hi O3, those heating units look pretty sweet. Just a question. What model do ya have, BTU’s and cost? I can install myself so no problem there. Thanks, RT

  244. rippedthunder February 21, 2012 at 1:57 pm #

    O3, Sorry for the follow-up. Do you have the heat storage tank so you can fire the thing hot and store the energy?

  245. rippedthunder February 21, 2012 at 2:04 pm #

    Yea, What he said! I’ve been all over the country. I may be biased or tone deaf but the only people without a regional accent are from western MA/CT and Califorinia. Corrections anyone?Maine, Vermont, Tejas,the south, Chicago, Wyoming, Arizona, Florida, they all have something.

  246. rippedthunder February 21, 2012 at 2:04 pm #

    OK California.

  247. Vlad Krandz February 21, 2012 at 2:22 pm #

    The cockney accent is dying out, replaced by a Jamaican style patois. Itsa Traagedy.
    They have a kind of rhyming cant. Instead of saying go to the pub and get some grub, they would say go to the rub u dub.

  248. rippedthunder February 21, 2012 at 2:32 pm #

    Bud, I would pick the lesser of two weevils! :o)

  249. jackieblue2u February 21, 2012 at 2:34 pm #

    also the word ‘kinda’.
    It’s used alot.

  250. Vlad Krandz February 21, 2012 at 2:34 pm #

    Remember, the East ends at the Alleghenies. Men on the other side are less intellectual but more polite and charming. Rick Santorum is a Mid Westerner. A Neo Con unfortunately, with hidden agendas and allegiances to the dark powers of this world.

  251. Vlad Krandz February 21, 2012 at 2:37 pm #

    Are you from Western Ma? No one thinks they have an accent. I wonder if Californians think you don’t.
    The eye cannot see itself. The ear cannot hear its own accent. I was horrified when I first heard my own voice. I didn’t think I sounded like that.

  252. jackieblue2u February 21, 2012 at 2:41 pm #

    You know I prefer opiates over anti depressants.
    I have back pain, disc on the nerve type. It would be debilitating if not for pain meds. I am very little, enough to cut the pain so I can function. not enough to mess up my thought process.
    Being in Pain is very disstressful.
    I was rear ended, and now my neck is damaged.
    anyway. yes to opiates.
    No to driving.

  253. jackieblue2u February 21, 2012 at 2:44 pm #

    I saw Rick talk on TV last night, and it scared me to think this guy might be freaking president of US. He sounds like an idiot. A dangerous one.
    Here is what I am against for sure:
    Fracking thru aquifers.

  254. jackieblue2u February 21, 2012 at 2:52 pm #

    Yes the south of the border is here.
    and I feel the predjudice against me, whitey.
    from the women.
    I will be very careful, I am aware of my surroundings, and do my best to stay safe.
    Also the cost of living is high.
    There are alot of strange folks here, many are
    mentally ill. when reagan put them out on the streets, well they are here. I actually find this more troubling for them. and they aren’t the violent ones, the gangstas are.
    Most people drive like ****. so rude and dangerous. Cars and driving are overrated. I’ve always thought that things being so spread out, and commuting were just a huge waste of energy.
    Every since I was a youngin’. And the cost of owning and driving a car, getting to be too much for me. anyway…..
    Yes thank you, I am careful.

  255. jackieblue2u February 21, 2012 at 3:01 pm #

    Good Question.
    Yes friends of mine drove and spent time in Eureka 2 years ago thinking to relocate.
    they came back and said what you wrote.
    Alot of people living in the streets. Alot of meth.
    And just bad feeling overall. No economy.
    there major economy was Pacific Lumber, and that closed. So lots of unemployment.
    Alot of Rednecks. in big trucks on drugs. or alcohol and drugs.
    also Arcata 10 miles north is a college town. So you have alot of kids and alot of rednecks.
    Well the obvious is the open borders. you know what I mean ?
    Let’s see a small area where you could farm ?
    let me think on that.
    I need to take my walk.
    back later or tomorrow.
    If you could afford it I’d say north of SF in

  256. Vlad Krandz February 21, 2012 at 3:03 pm #

    Thang is a gay word. Or more precisely, a word only Gays use since a word can’t be gay. Disinformation or disinfectant?

  257. Widespreadpanic7 February 21, 2012 at 3:18 pm #

    Shit, now I’m worried about JackieBlue!
    OzoneP the last fat president, not counting Clinton, was William Howard Taft. A special bathtub had to be installed in the White House for him.
    Ripthunder, congratulations on your retirement. 30 years? Well done. Oh yea, please Inform your wife about a website called ‘I remember New Britain’. She will get a charge out of it.
    OK then, Ozone, BTBill, RipT, maybe Ibendet, its Tuckers on Rte 8 (in Sandisfield) some Saturday afternoon in April. Mark it on your calendar.

  258. anti soak February 21, 2012 at 4:11 pm #

    Mika ..this ones fer you!
    I offered you 7 names last week….
    Harry Triguboff
    (Forbes No. 316), entrepreneur
    George Soros (Forbes No. 258) and
    Adelson (Forbes No. 73), topping those categories, respectively.

  259. anti soak February 21, 2012 at 4:15 pm #

    That does not mean the Richest folks in that place are Christian.

  260. rippedthunder February 21, 2012 at 4:16 pm #

    Hi Marlin, I’ll try to be there. I can’t find that NB website. Gotta link? I did find this though about the W Mass accent
    I guess is is cosidered standard- american.

  261. anti soak February 21, 2012 at 4:20 pm #

    OK….Ill play the game….
    How many Jews live in:

  262. rippedthunder February 21, 2012 at 4:27 pm #

    SJM I worked at Snowmass in CO and the oil patch around Rock Springs ,Wy in ’77-’78 . The folks all talked with a western twang. Just sayin. of course that was 35 years back. Maybe they talk normal now. In these here parts we talk like Brian williams or most of the TV folk. Standard -American!

  263. rippedthunder February 21, 2012 at 4:33 pm #

    Hi VK, I don’t know if I have an accent But I can certainly hear the people which I converse with on a day to day basis. I can honestly say they don’t speak with an accent. I guess everyone has an accent. I just figure someone like a national news anchor talks without one. In my last post I mentioned Brian Williams from NBC. Does he have an accent? If he does I don’t hear it.

  264. rippedthunder February 21, 2012 at 4:35 pm #

    VK, My wife is from central CT. and she does have an accent. I don’t know what it’s called but she talks a little differant than the peeps from my town. It’s only 35-40 miles south.

  265. urp February 21, 2012 at 4:58 pm #

    “Then we have the Catholic Church claiming that being forced to pay for its employees’ birth control is against their First Amendment rights.”
    And my hunch is that the Church makes this claim because it DOES violate their First Amendment rights.
    “What happens when Warren Jeffs, a Mormon polygamist currently incarcerated in TX, says his religious rights as a Mormon have been violated by the federal government.”
    Not much because the marriage laws of the U.S. have limited a marriage union to two people. And until very recently it was between a man and a woman. But your criticism of Christie in his not jumping on the ban wagon regarding gay marriages does beg the question: What of those who wish to marry non-humans…be they animate or inanimate objects? I mean shouldn’t a person be allowed to marry their power drill if they wish? And why not a power drill AND a Swedish sauna? Who are we to judge?

  266. Widespreadpanic7 February 21, 2012 at 5:02 pm #

    RipT I guess its a face book site run by a guy named John Pater. People who grew up there just love it.
    In Connecticut we don’t have any accent. Ours is the Standard English all other dialects are measured against.

  267. Eleuthero February 21, 2012 at 5:22 pm #

    Ripped said:
    E, I think I’ll Shit!
    Yes, after all, if we went blind we’d just be copying Oedipus. 🙂

  268. Eleuthero February 21, 2012 at 5:32 pm #

    P2C said:
    Yeah, Santorum is a putz, but he was raised in Putzsylvania and was elected to two US Senate terms by the Putzsylvania voters. Apparently, defense of the Holy Fetus is a big deal up there, too.
    P2C, I come from Pennsylvania originally and I don’t know if you know the old joke about PA. Pennsylvania is “Philadelphia in the east and Pittsburgh in the west and Mississippi in between”. It’s actually pretty accurate.
    I’m glad that you concur that this site has mostly gone totally bonkers what with 8mn/Tegmark/Old69 on one hand, the Chinese pictograph posters on another, random spams, word permutation posts with no meaning from posters you’ve never heard of, and then you have the various tribalist brigades, and then the Buddha-pest Asoka and his pal Met/Mika … it won’t be long before I, personally, will need to make a permanent exit from this animal cage.
    At this point I feel like the entire blog has boiled down to a discussion between about four sentient beings with awesome noise surrounding that discussion. I think you, me, LBendet, and a scant few others will eventually arrive at the conclusion that there are much better things to do in life.

  269. Eleuthero February 21, 2012 at 5:34 pm #

    BHM said:
    You must be thinking of Taft, Teddy Roosevelt’s vice president, who succeeded TR and was by far and away the most obese president.
    If Taft ever had to haul ass, it would have taken him two trips. 🙂

  270. San Jose Mom 51 February 21, 2012 at 6:08 pm #

    My sister lives in Durango. I visit there but I’m not an expert, but I haven’t noticed anything. Utah has an accent. They mess up their “O” and some “I” words.
    1. I’m fishing in the “crik”
    2. I’m wearing my fancy arange farmal. (orange formal)
    My friend from Kansas came to SF last week. She definately rolls some of her “O”s

  271. asoka. February 21, 2012 at 6:18 pm #


    Now the results are in — and they’re exactly what three generations’ worth of economic analysis and all the lessons of history should have told you would happen. The confidence fairy has failed to show up: none of the countries slashing spending have seen the predicted private-sector surge. Instead, the depressing effects of fiscal austerity have been reinforced by falling private spending.
    Furthermore, bond markets keep refusing to cooperate. Even austerity’s star pupils, countries that, like Portugal and Ireland, have done everything that was demanded of them, still face sky-high borrowing costs. Why? Because spending cuts have deeply depressed their economies, undermining their tax bases to such an extent that the ratio of debt to G.D.P., the standard indicator of fiscal progress, is getting worse rather than better.
    Meanwhile, countries that didn’t jump on the austerity train — most notably, Japan and the United States — continue to have very low borrowing costs, defying the dire predictions of fiscal hawks.

  272. messianicdruid February 21, 2012 at 6:41 pm #

    “Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man.”
    [Thomas Paine]
    Belief in a forgiving God makes a forgiving man.”
    “There are matters in the Bible, said to be done by the express commandment of God, that are shocking to humanity and to every idea we have of moral justice….”.
    [Thomas Paine]
    There are matters in our society, said to be done by the express will of the people, that are shocking to me and to every idea I have of moral justice.
    “The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma.”
    [Abraham Lincoln]
    Vatican III is not my Book and Churchianity is not my religion. I could never assent to the long complicated statements of Judeochristian dogma.
    “My earlier views at the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them.”
    [Abraham Lincoln, letter to Judge J.S. Wakefield, after the death of Willie Lincoln]
    My advancing views of the incredible ignorance of salvation and the scriptures among otherwise intelligent, rational people {including christians] have become clearer and stronger with the years and I see no reason for believing I shall ever change them.”

  273. San Jose Mom 51 February 21, 2012 at 6:44 pm #

    I would be sad to see you leave CFN. Buddha pest is the greatest name for Asoka!!!
    I think the reason JHK doesn’t just kick off some of the lunatics is that they might become dangerous. Since he does book tours, it’s best just to let them vent, and not add anymore bees to their bonnets.
    Who has a shotgun and knows how to use it.

  274. asoka. February 21, 2012 at 7:21 pm #

    That was a rude thing to say.

  275. Vlad Krandz February 21, 2012 at 7:21 pm #

    The problem is that although the South lost the War, it effectively won the Peace. Anyone whose ancestors came from the South deeply distrust anyone with a Yankee accent. It is synomous with the evil that has now blossomed into the nascent American Police State and Globalism itself. We lost the moral high ground with much of Middle America and are seen as moral lepers.

  276. bubbleheadMarc February 21, 2012 at 7:23 pm #

    In point of fact Taft was so fat that it was necessary to install a new larger bath tub in the White House for him.

  277. ozone February 21, 2012 at 7:23 pm #

    Apparently, that New Brit-ski deal is a facebook page.
    Here’s a link to a story about it:

  278. Vlad Krandz February 21, 2012 at 7:24 pm #

    Why hate the unborn? Santorum’s stand on Abortion is one of his few decent positions.
    The “Fetus” is a person and to mock it by calling it the Holy Fetus is wrong.

  279. Vlad Krandz February 21, 2012 at 7:27 pm #

    Can we call you Ellie May Clampett?

  280. Vlad Krandz February 21, 2012 at 7:31 pm #

    Just recieved The Book of Jasher in the mail. What do you think of this book?

  281. Pucker February 21, 2012 at 7:34 pm #

    In the simplified post “Peak Oil” America envisioned by JHK will American women be required to get up a 5 a.m. in the morning to fetch a bucket to place under the cow’s teets and spend a couple of hours work’n the cow’s teets to fill up the bucket? Will American women then be required to cheerfully pore this same milk into a butter churn and pump that churn by hand for an hour to get a stick of butter?
    Will American women be required to cheerfully do all of this while being knocked up by a burly bloke named Joshua or Jeremiah?

  282. Vlad Krandz February 21, 2012 at 7:36 pm #

    He used to stand up and stretch after the 7th inning and the whole crowd would stand up too. That was the genesis of the 7th inning stretch. What a great man.

  283. Pucker February 21, 2012 at 7:39 pm #

    It seems that no one seems to know the answer the my question posted last week copied below. It’s a bit of a mystery, I suppose?
    Why does this company think that American women need Kelvar to protect their crotches?
    Isn’t Kelvar fabric used in racing tires and body armor?

  284. Vlad Krandz February 21, 2012 at 7:41 pm #

    Yes milk maids are meant to put taken advantage of as they churn the milk into butter. Those bonnets they wear just send me!

  285. progress2conserve February 21, 2012 at 7:51 pm #

    If I were a woman, and planning to fall off my motorcycle – I would want to be wearing Kevlar crotch protection.
    It would make more sense not to fall off in the first place, but some things are harder to control than others.

  286. Vlad Krandz February 21, 2012 at 7:57 pm #

    I will never call you Buddha Pest. It sounds to much like Budapesth, the City sacred to the House of Dracul.

  287. Vlad Krandz February 21, 2012 at 7:59 pm #

    Perhaps they know the Milk Maids will need them as they churn.

  288. progress2conserve February 21, 2012 at 8:02 pm #

    Watch and learn as Vlad and I demonstrate our bravery and open-mindedness by attacking one another on an anonymous public forum – even though Mika desperately wants us to form our own Tribe, so we can be just like him.
    “Why hate the unborn? Santorum’s stand on Abortion is one of his few decent positions.”
    – vlad –
    I don’t hate the unborn, Vlad. I just don’t believe a first trimester fetus is a person.
    And I know that nothing much is ever going to happen on abortion in this country, anyway.
    Except – the right is using abortion to “energize the base,” to get people in to office.
    You really think the Republican Party wants to restrict abortion? It’s one of their best issues.
    Do away with that and they won’t have much left.
    “Holy Fetus” was excessive. I was channeling Wage from two weeks ago. If this blog had an edit function I would change “holy fetus” to “sacred first trimester fetal tissue.”
    Would that be any better?
    Birth control should be free and effective.
    People should be paid for sterilization.
    Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.

  289. progress2conserve February 21, 2012 at 8:07 pm #

    I’m proud of you for getting that shotgun out of that attic and learning to shoot it, Jen.
    Now, be sure to shoot a few rounds every couple of months to stay in practice.
    And stockpile some ammo while it’s available and relatively cheap.
    And that thing you said to our Buddha-Pest may have been a little rude – but it was totally accurate.
    Accuracy is important in shotgunning, in anonymous blogging, and in many other fields of human endeavor.

  290. ozone February 21, 2012 at 8:08 pm #

    I have a now discontinued model (Excel 2200), with a 880 gal. storage tank.
    I’m not sure what the BTU output is, but unless the temp goes [consistently] below 20 degrees I only feed it once every 24 hrs. to heat 2400 sq.ft. comfortably (70).
    The storage tank is key to boiler life. It transfers the heat from the boiler to itself until the fire is gone. (Burns at maximum this way.) I found I used less wood using it like a typical wood stove, but man, the firebox got gunked up somethin’ fierce! I had to take the storage tank “out of the loop” because the domestic hot water coil had developed a leak and I had to dismantle the cover. That was a bit of a pain in the ass, but I did build me another top for it, and I think I actually engineered it a bit better. (Knocking on EPDM as I write that! ;o)
    At any rate, the new furnaces look to be the cats’ ass, but I wouldn’t get anything with a digital readout. I just prefer good ol’ gauges, and they don’t ever seem to break. The folks at Tarm (in N.H., BTW) are very helpful and have extensive experience with these beasts. Our boiler and tank was around 15 grand in 2005, and has thus “paid for itself” by deflecting the cost of oil for that time period. The last 3 years, I’ve bought log-length loads of wood, at around 8 cord/load for $700. A load lasts me a year for heat and hot water. (I’ve got plenty woods, but boy, it sure is easy to have it handy in a nice neat pile like that! I’ll go back to dragging it out when I have to.)
    Call ’em up and run some numbers and some long-term thinkin’. You can gape at my system at your convenience.

  291. ozone February 21, 2012 at 8:14 pm #

    W. NY also is accent-neutral. Everyone sounds like a teevee anchor-“person”. Some strange idioms, such as: “The lawn needs mowed and the car needs fixed”. Also common to W. PA.

  292. San Jose Mom 51 February 21, 2012 at 8:19 pm #

    I prefer Annie Oakley.

  293. San Jose Mom 51 February 21, 2012 at 8:20 pm #

    Then take a hint and don’t post 20 times a day.

  294. xport February 21, 2012 at 8:23 pm #

    We are certainly in a confused time, but what time was not confused? In 1965 there was a hit song “the eve of destruction”, and a raging war in Vietnam. Current predictions of Greece and the Euro going down have added to the confusion and missed the mark. Now panic mongers call for an end to life as we know it. Maybe time to look inward and find a center of peace within oneself. Tomorrow will take care of itself, seize today.

  295. DeeJones February 21, 2012 at 8:39 pm #

    “We were horrified to find so many of the textile mills are closed down, particularly in Virginia. Danriver, an upscale brand in the 60s, is defunct, as are most of the manufacturing sites. I expected to see that in Ohio, but didn’t realize it had spread so far. The boys killed in Iraq probably wouldn’t have the chance to work in the mines (a mixed blessing, at best) since Obama has managed to shut most of them down in an effort to kill off most of the working class and ensure higher and higher energy costs. ”
    Have you been living in an Amish community w/o radio , TEEVEE, or a newspaper (except for hygenic use) perchance?
    These mills closed down WAY before Obama became Prezident. Back in the 80’s & 90’s in fact. Same goes for any mines. This was well underway before Clinton even became the Prezident Impediment.
    Get your facts straight, and quit the political muck slinging.
    Oh, and fcuk the Catholic Church, and thank you very much.

  296. mika. February 21, 2012 at 8:46 pm #

    I find your silence to the fact that most of the richest 1% in the US are in fact government mafia parasites living off the surveillance/war/murder industries to be very telling.
    And your silence to the fact that among these millions of gov mafia parasites, the overwhelming majority are Catholic, is also very telling.
    I guess it’s a taboo subject that must not be spoken about in the US. And nevermind the connections of the CIA to the Vatican and the mob, drug dealing, and gun running. And nevermind the connections of the FED to the Rothschilds and the Rothschilds to the Vatican. And nevermind the Vatican’s war on the orthodox Greeks, orthodox Serbs, orthodox Russians, orthodox Ukranians, orthodox Armenians, orthodox Egyptian Copts, orthodox Syrians, etc.
    But took over there! Look at a Jew! Focus on the puppet jew! Nevermind the institutions that direct and hide behind the puppet Jew. Nevermind the millions of gov mafia parasites who staff these institutions. Nevermind that these gov mafia institutions are really nothing more than Catholic country clubs, where these fuckers watch porn all day long and get to live-it-large on a $100,000 a year salary. Nevermind all that. Focus on the jew!

  297. xport February 21, 2012 at 8:54 pm #

    Our mothers and fathers and grandparents did indeed build America with brains and brawn. Eating nails for breakfast, maybe, but some coffee with toast and eggs got them thru to lunch. And they earned their daily bread the hard way. When you see a building demolished to clear way for a parking lot, think about all the human energy that went into creating that structure. Not everyone sits in front of a computer all day. The energy and talent that builds the great structures is still here and alive, it just needs to be nurtured and directed. We are a long way from finished in the journey of life.

  298. bubbleheadMarc February 21, 2012 at 9:05 pm #

    I wouldn’t get bummed out. If a web site is overmoderated then it becomes stifling. You can always ignore anyone who strikes you as being decidedly pointless or irrelevant. You can also actually enjoy some of the assholes which is how I coped with submarine duty, by recognizing that some of the biggest assholes were also funny in many ways, especially in their naive self-confidence. This is not even to point out the obvious fact that oftentimes the craziest people tend to be the most brilliant. Then you have the wallowers in negativity who are incessantly sounding the alarm. If the sum total is little more than nervous irritation then one is clearly wasting time. If you’re not getting the quality of responses you expect then that could beoome irritating as well. Many people are simply too fucking serious. Never forget that G.K. Chesterton described the true mad man as one who counterintuitively was not only too logical but also too persistent in error being free from self-doubt.

  299. mika. February 21, 2012 at 9:39 pm #

    This Revolution Will Not Be Televised

  300. Bustin J February 21, 2012 at 10:15 pm #

    Thanks for divulging the fascinating details of String Theory.

  301. Bustin J February 21, 2012 at 10:28 pm #

    I am going to email him a prospectus on a Guaranteed Minimum Income Right.. I’m sure he will get behind the effort.

  302. messianicdruid February 21, 2012 at 10:40 pm #

    “What do you think of this book?
    It is indispensible for doing chronology.

  303. charliefoxtrot February 21, 2012 at 10:44 pm #

    appropriate; as that was her primary weapon of choice- she of course used rifles & pistols too…oh, also: close counts for shotguns as well as horseshoes; contrary to (i m sure well-intentioned) recent advice good luck, n hope ya never need it!

  304. charliefoxtrot February 21, 2012 at 10:49 pm #

    E- i would concur, and would likewise miss you- i have a broader interest, so i count you among more like six, or eight during a good week…and further, i think that, like in real life, you DO have to ignore the drivel; to let the bastards win- well, does just that…!

  305. asoka. February 21, 2012 at 11:01 pm #

    Another rude comment. Who made you the blog police?
    I cannot believe such uncouth behavior from you, with no regard for my feelings. I am now hurt and I am going to leave CFN for a while, until I am less emotionally distraught.

  306. progress2conserve February 21, 2012 at 11:10 pm #

    WageLaborer sent me an email earlier today with this message:
    “Hi Prog,
    I wrote your email down a long time ago, in case I ever needed it.
    I got banned from Kunstler. WTF? Why me?
    The Chinese spammer, old69 and Vlad carry on, but I am denied.
    Anyway, if you could let the others know, I’d appreciate it.
    Truly a weird and undeserved banning, I think any of us would agree – even WSP and Q!
    OK, now back to your regularly scheduled Clusters of F*ckages.

  307. progress2conserve February 21, 2012 at 11:28 pm #

    “close counts for shotguns as well as horseshoes”
    Always good to hear from you, CF.
    Sounds to me like you haven’t done a whole lot of wingshooting though, young feller. hah! hah!
    I have blown more harmless holes in more pieces of the south Georgia atmosphere than should be considered normal – so I know whereof I speak concerning accurate shotgunning.
    Doves in particular – they say the average is 5 shells for one dove. I had days when I was pretty far below average.
    That’s not to say I wouldn’t be running away with soiled undies if I was a perpetrator in SJ’s house and heard her rack a shell into that shotgun of hers – no matter HOW inaccurate a shot I might think she was.
    SJ has a much greater chance of defending herself in today’s California with a load of buckshot, than she does with a load of Infinite Love.
    Didn’t you live around Atlanta at one time, CF?
    Or did I just dream that up?

  308. James Hansen February 21, 2012 at 11:44 pm #

    WageLaborer was my favorite poster on CFN, banning her makes no sense at all to me.I think I will remove this site from my bookmarks in protest, not that it will matter to anyone at all. See ya.

  309. charliefoxtrot February 21, 2012 at 11:46 pm #

    yeah, no, and i realized as soon as i posted that accuracy does count for skeet…and, well, i was sorta teasing a little, too…as far as home defense goes, ya caint beat my mossberg 500A 12ga with pistol grip & folding stock…gotta love the high-brass 00, brother!
    and no, never been to atlanta; you may have seen a post not too long that i put up, concerning my little sister getting in trouble for fighting off what (i m convinced by details) was a kidnapping attempt by a diverse cabdriver…

  310. charliefoxtrot February 21, 2012 at 11:59 pm #

    re wage: whutthehell?! details! was no reason given? or did she have an idea what she might have said to piss mr k off? damn, i know she s a bit futher from the ol’ center than i; but still in my opinion has something to add to our little corner…oh, well…maybe further (previous spelling intentional for purposes of dialect, btw) developements will be forthcoming…

  311. progress2conserve February 22, 2012 at 12:10 am #

    In wage’s case – the most likely reason for her banning is some sort of electronic glitch.
    I’m on my third screenname for CFN – I just make up some derivative of progress4conserve and jump back in the brawl. I have been trying to cut down on my time spent posting here – although you wouldn’t have known it by my record last week.

  312. progress2conserve February 22, 2012 at 12:38 am #

    Concerning accents – a couple of stories.
    I started life with a SERIOUS Southern accent. College took some of the edges off of it, and then a long career in contact with the public took some of the rest of it – although I make no apologies for the accent, nor do I make any attempt at hiding it.
    We’ve got a friend who was born in Great Britain, who immigrated with his folks to the States at about age 8 – twenty-something years ago, now. He sounds almost as Southern as I do, in normal speech. But when he’s talking to his mom, he breaks into a British accent so thick that I have to pay careful attention – to understand what they are saying.
    I don’t do accents well – no matter what I attempt as a “joke voice” – Chinese, Indian, whatever – it always sounds like I’m a native Mexican faking a bad Southern accent.
    But I can easily slip myself into all the vocal ranges of a Southern man – from genteel plantation owner to dirt road white trash.
    We made a trip up the Eastern Seaboard of the US when the kids were little – we were traveling with a pop-up camper, and spending our days gunkholing along from one little State park to another. Let me tell you, out in rural areas you can still find some SERIOUS accents.
    When I talk to a man with a strong accent, I tend to exaggerate my own – subconsciously putting on a little bit of a show, or something.
    Round about the Outer Banks of NC, my accent started to deepen. By the time we got to the Eastern Shore of Maryland, we were hitting some intense local accents. I somehow let my own Southern accent get so bad that I could barely understand myself, by the time we got to Maine.
    haw haw haw
    I may have told some of this story before on CFN. Screw it, I just told it again, then.
    At least it’s not Chinese spam.

  313. Buck Stud February 22, 2012 at 1:18 am #

    Nice post XSPORT. Although I stand behind everything I wrote, on many days hard manual labor reads a lot better romantically than doing the actual work. But I’ll qualify that statement as well. An artisan/craftsman engaging in manual labor while simultaneously juggling challenging considerations of the cerebral variety strikes me as a far more humane and dignified occupation than earning one’s keep as the human equivalent of a mule. Let’s face it, back breaking labor breaks more than just the body; it crushes the spirit if done on a daily basis, month after month, year after year. But I’ll qualify that as well: back-breaking work done for one’s own business, farm, homestead, etc is far more tolerable than toiling for exploitative/abusive employers.
    Regarding the energy and talent that builds the great structures being here and alive, I also agree. But I’m not so sure we have many Louis Sullivan’s architects still available.

  314. truthteller February 22, 2012 at 1:42 am #

    {since Obama has managed to shut most of them down in an effort to kill off most of the working class and ensure higher and higher energy costs. Why?}
    Wow! You live a very sheltered and uninformed existence, JulettaOfOhio. I am no Obama fan, but I’m pretty sure all the downsizing and factory-shuttering has been going on a lot longer than the Obama presidency, and the reasons run a lot deeper than that. The exodus of manufacturing from the US has been going on since the late 80’s, under administrations both Republican and Democrat. And it has more to do with the simple central directive, the “gospel” of capitalism, if you will, to “create shareholder value”. Notice that “shareholder” and “stakeholder” are two different terms . . . I know a little about the subject. I have an MBA, and on top of that, I’m a white female who worked her way out of poverty from a childhood in the Deep South, raised by a single mother who got sick and tired of being married to a useless, non-working white-boy drunk and decided going it on her own would be a better deal.
    And as for abortion . . . all the people hollerin’ nay need to roll down to the hospital every day and adopt a child born to poverty-stricken people (the very people that these draconian abortion and limits on birth control will affect if the ultra-conservatives in this country get their way) that will otherwise be brought into the world with very little hope or prospects, or STFU.
    Saw an interesting documentary the other day, “Freakonomics”, and they had an interesting sub-story-line in there about the crime rate dropping in the late 80’s and early 90’s because all other factors being controlled for, it appeared that the passage of Roe vs. Wade prevented a chunk of criminals from being born, and consequently abused, neglected, maltreated and turning to a life of crime as a consequence of trying to find some way to survive the harsh circumstances of their lives.
    Food for thought. Bring on the hate, I know it’s about to commence, but for two seconds before you do . . . consider the idea that they may have a valid point 🙂

  315. Eleuthero February 22, 2012 at 1:50 am #

    SJM said:
    I would be sad to see you leave CFN. Buddha pest is the greatest name for Asoka!!!
    I think the reason JHK doesn’t just kick off some of the lunatics is that they might become dangerous. Since he does book tours, it’s best just to let them vent, and not add anymore bees to their bonnets.
    My lifelong pattern has been to threaten to do something leading people to think that I’m NOT going to do that something and then one day I just do it and don’t look back. The problem is that JHK really should be exercising SOME control like kicking off the Chinese pictograph posters, the posters using a work permutation program to generate meaningless word salad, or guys like Met when they threaten to bash people’s heads in with baseball bats … to say nothing of Old69/Tegmark/8man whose mega-essays of total philosophical/scientific bullshit take up way too much line space.
    I’m sensing that the end of my CFN days nears and I don’t say it happily because I remember when the signal outnumbered the noise but now it’s about a 1:5 ratio. I’m retired now with, hypothetically, all the time in the world to write but I think I’m in the search for a better venue to go along with my private writing which is a social parody.
    I would certainly miss several sensible, sane people like yourself but even you’d have to admit, SJM, that this place has turned into a loony bin with crackpot conspiracy theorists, my-tribe-uber-alles types (and actually I mean Met and Beantown now more than Vlad), and all the aforementioned other types. What’s the point of posting here now if you’re hoping that maybe a handful of other people will wade through the inordinate line space to spot a needle in a haystack. It’s absurd.
    But before I go, whenever that is, I’d like to thank you for being a consistently lovely human being who is modest, sensible, and good-natured.

  316. bossier22 February 22, 2012 at 1:59 am #

    I would say 5 shells/dove is a good day in the field. We had a great hunt Uvalde last September. And a great grilling of doves when we got home.

  317. Eleuthero February 22, 2012 at 1:59 am #

    Asoka said:
    I call BULLSHIT on you and Dr. Krugman. What difference does it make if our interest rates are zero and Ireland’s are 6% if THE BANKS DON’T LEND which is exactly the case here in the States?
    The Fed has barely moved the unemployment rate which is the worst unemployment ever in a “recovery”. The workforce participation rate is at a 28-year low. The main byproduct of the Fed’s money printing is $105/bbl oil and higher food costs while banks are still foreclosing like Snidely Whiplash.
    Money-printing only works in countries whose economies are based on the production of tangible goods because the sale of those goods pay off debts and give families useful products. Money-printing in a service economy raises the costs of services which is why college tuition and healthcare costs are going ballistic.
    Krugman is a tool … as are his acolytes like you.

  318. Eleuthero February 22, 2012 at 2:03 am #

    Marc … this site is now a “clusterfuck” (pun intended) of nutters, spammers, schizos (Old69/Tegmark/8man), contrived personalities (Asoka), and lots of consistently acrid flamers like Mika/Metusaleh.
    I’m not “bummed” about it. I look at it dispassionately as the natural life cycle of a blog. This blog is DONE. Put a fork in it.

  319. Eleuthero February 22, 2012 at 2:08 am #

    CFT said:
    E- i would concur, and would likewise miss you- i have a broader interest, so i count you among more like six, or eight during a good week…and further, i think that, like in real life, you DO have to ignore the drivel; to let the bastards win- well, does just that…!
    Well, the point is that I’d rather “fight the good fight” in REAL LIFE of which blogs are only a facsimile. I’ve been on this blog a good four years, maybe longer, and sometimes it’s just time to rattle one’s cage by moving on. I don’t look at it as letting the “bastards win”. I look at it as avoiding fighting off gnats four times more than writing original content. I appreciate the kudos greatly.

  320. bossier22 February 22, 2012 at 2:09 am #

    Even though I am a righty, I am totally with you on abortion rights and birth control. It seems to me that those who should not conceive have a much easier time doing so . I wonder what that means from a biological or evolutionary advantage standpoint.

  321. Eleuthero February 22, 2012 at 2:25 am #

    Avoiding Mania Aftermaths by Following Your Gut
    I remember in the Spring of 1999, I had two students from Emeryville (near Oakland) who felt that they had missed the opportunity of a lifetime by avoiding the stock market. I recited the old Keynes quote that markets can stay irrational longer than the bears can remain solvent. I told them to stay in cash. Bears make the mistake of TIMING the end of a false bull and by the time they’re “correct” they’re down 25-30%.
    Never forget the old adage that the purpose of a bear market is to punish ALL of the participants … not just the BULLS!! Anyone who chases this current phony bull is going to get their asses handed to them. No, I don’t know if the bulls get their comeuppance in March, June, or September but I’m quite comfortable that the stock market is completely divorced from reality and the final score is ALWAYS Reality 1, Fantasy 0.
    After two crashes in a dozen years, you’d think the pie-in-the-sky “believers” would be chastened. Well, delusion springs as eternal as hope.

  322. truthteller February 22, 2012 at 2:58 am #

    {Even though I am a righty, I am totally with you on abortion rights and birth control. It seems to me that those who should not conceive have a much easier time doing so . I wonder what that means from a biological or evolutionary advantage standpoint}
    I think the whole thing should be free of “left” or “right” politically, myself. The truth is, sex is a primary directive of the human species . . . we’re GONNA DO IT. It’s also one of the great pleasures of life, and is 100% FREE, which explains its high degree of popularity among people across the social strata 🙂 So, if people are gonna fuck anyway, and we KNOW THIS TO BE A FACT, regardless of the bullshit spewing of certain dumbasses who have an “aspirin between the knees” prescription for it (you can be ASSURED that THAT asshole ain’t abstaining, that’s one thing you can count on besides death and taxes, my friend 🙂 . . . so if we know this, and BC is SO much cheaper than either abortion or dealing with the consequences of unintended pregnancies, why don’t we as a society support things that will, in the long run, make us more stable and healthy? If we support programs that help people make better choices (i.e. not telling people NOT to have children . . . helping them pick a BETTER TIME for it, let them get their shit together a little better first) then we save money, heartache, and overall bullshit in the long run. I think this is a place where rational conservatives and liberals agree. The problem, is the NUTCASE “wingers”. There’s a reason the founding fathers tried to decree separation of church and state, and it seems this effort is taking a hammering, in this country, these days. Just my two cents 🙂 Thanks for your feedback.

  323. 8man February 22, 2012 at 3:05 am #

    Labor Irrelevant
    I was thinking of why the EU is so hell bent on attacking their labor in all possible ways in Greece, Spain, Italy, etc. Why do they want to impose 400 dollar a month minimum wage, fire everyone, why are they so willing to beat up their labor ? Because labor is irrelevant, is optional, is no longer needed. One huge effect of the Technological Economy and its Free Wealth Generating Engine along with Excess Capacity Generation and Globalization of labor and Consumption Markets (aka as a Planet Sized labor pool and consumer market) is that of rendering almost all labor worldwide irrelevant, optional, not necessary, attackable in any way possible. The reasons why Unions are out of style and no longer fashionable is because Labor can no longer condition Capital in any possible way, the capitalists are already super rich, they have already achieved all of the possible profits they could ever hope for (US corporations have hundreds of billions of dollars in profit money just sitting in banks and relaxing and sleeping (and still giving out some interests for “doing nothing” but this is the religion of capitalism: make as much money as possible by doing as little as possible but let everyone else (workers especially) be submerged by guilt complex “Work Ethic” necessities), there is nothing left to “Invest” in when all of the possible exploitations and profits conceivable have been performed, they are set and good for another 100 years).
    In other words, labor has no power at all compared to capital, can no longer say or do anything when work is obsolete, is optional, automation and computers make most work simply a make believe fairy tale necessity, corporations can hire anyone in any place worldwide at any price and under any conditions they impose, etc. Zero power for labor, Infinite power for Capital, this is the short story of it all, end of story.
    So, why are they pounding down on labor so much in the EU ? because the capitalists are bored and want to have some fun: they are essentially saying that they will hire people (but they have no necessity to hire, it is just a show of power) if they can treat labor as badly as possible, if they can beat up workers then they will hire them otherwise there is no fun in hiring them, they can’t get any kicks out of hiring people. So they impose minimum wages, impose hire and fire, like saying I will hire you only if I can beat you up, hire and fire you, do anything I want since your labor is optional, irrelevant, is just an optional, there is no structural necessity for your labor, so I just want to have fun imposing my will power on labor and deciding and having the power to do whatever I want just because, for fun, for no other reason: If I can’t beat up labor and treat them as I want, if I can’t impose my will power upon labor and enjoy making them suffer, I simply will not hire labor at all, and leave them unemployed.

  324. 8man February 22, 2012 at 3:06 am #

    And in fact, by leaving people unemployed you can always turn around and say “look how lazy all of those workers are, they don’t want to work since they are unemployed, if they wanted to work they would be working, they are all lazy slobs that don’t work and don’t ever deserve to work again unless they finally abide to working under the conditions I impose, but the conditions will always be temporary, until I devise and figure out some other fun and games system to hose them, surprise them and fire them or slash their salary, to make them run and jump and hop so I can enjoy the spectacle, all the while blaming the victim on his predicament”: and the victim blames himself, and everyone blames the victim (it is so much fun when you are free to hate, free to finally pound down on who is guilty of all of the “economic problems”, labor is the one always guilty), labor, workers, the Greek government workers should all be fired, etc. and the victim (aka labor) is always guilty of not “working hard enough” (which really means being “flexible” enough to accept any conditions I impose since I want to express my power and will power for fun and games).
    In other words capital no longer needs labor so they are free to play around with the worldwide labor pool as much as possible, after all, it will always be the fault of labor, labor is always too lazy, and always makes to much money, etc.
    A Technological Economy renders work and labor weaker and weaker by making work not necessary, optional. As opposed to a few decades ago when labor was needed for industrial production, there was some kind of counter force and balance (and also clear cut input -> manipulations -> output circuits, as opposed to the Services Economy where there is no clear cut production but only power relationships, fluff, worthless Information Economy crap (since the production of information is all free and never ending through the Internet, communications, smart phones etc.) the power of free wills deciding anything since production is now automatic and easy to do, etc. as if the less real labor is needed anymore the more power the powerful have since they are free to express their will power and impose their will power on all) and hence the reasons why unions had some power, etc. they could condition production, they had some power, today labor has zero power and will have less and less power and will have to abide ever more to the Powers That Be. AMEN.
    But make no mistake, the Standard Economic Model and theory will always present the facts as a “structural necessity” for labor to be “flexible”, “competitive”, for inventing so many excuses to hide the real facts: and Germany and some other areas and countries are examples where the prefect make believe is achieved, where they can brainwash everyone and make believe that labor must abide to certain rules in order to be “productive” when it is all false, all a make believe, a show, and of course the show works and is real since the powers that be, the “Investors” can create all the make believe environments and work environments simply because they have the money and decide all and all must abide: Why not just cut the crap and be honest and cut all of the ideology and make believe structural necessities and say: I WILL HIRE YOU UNDER THESE CONDITIONS AND ONLY BECAUSE I SAY SO, I HAVE THE POWER TO DECIDE, END OF STORY. ? Instead of all of the debates and political conflicts and make believe democratic process to find the “right rules for society” making believe that there is some objective truth when there is only Arbitrary Free Wills deciding for all and making up the rules, ever changing rules, any rules according to the power they have and nothing else. AMEN.

  325. truthteller February 22, 2012 at 3:17 am #

    {I wonder what that means from a biological or evolutionary advantage standpoint}
    And as for your question above . . . it is great food for thought. Perhaps the planet is telling us that too many smart, “innovative” people isn’t what it wants 🙂 Perhaps William Catton is right . . . overshoot seems to be a valid theory. Take a look at Africa and India. Even China is still a developing country, and there are people starving there too . . . not to mention the social issues they’re beginning to have from the “one-child” policy and the inordinate imbalance they are facing between the male to female ratio.
    We fuck with Ma Nature, and she pokes back . . . 🙂 I’m feeling rather good about this here being a Darwinian dead-end these days . . . I wouldn’t want my children to have to live through what seems to be coming down the road. Cynical, I know, but it’s my two cents. I feel bad enough about my sibling’s children and my friends and other family member’s children.

  326. truthteller February 22, 2012 at 3:38 am #

    Continuing my train of thought . . . to Bossier:
    I grew up in Mississippi, on the Gulf Coast, and when I was in middle and high school, in the 80’s, those folks were teaching 100% evolution. Because I did not come from an evangelical Christian home and this wasn’t EVEN an issue during that time, I went to school being taught valid SCIENCE. The fact that the interference of religion in “state” means that this might lead to a science teacher actually being required to teach “creationism” (whatever the FUCK that IS) right next to REALITY on the docket, makes me want to lose my lunch. And, I REPEAT, I went to school in MISSISSIPPI. For Chrissakes!
    I was a poor kid, but you can be damn sure I found my way to birth control . . . and I got it from the health department in my county, in MISSISSIPPI, for FREE, when I was a teenager. MISSISSIPPI. I was a responsible kid and there was no way, no how, I was about to bring a kid into the kind of family I had been raised in, knowing better the hardships.
    So, to see the severe turnaround in this country, based 100% on evangelical religious beliefs, in this country, over the past 20-25 years (I am 42) makes me sick to my stomach. It makes me glad I chose not to have children (that was not the original plan, BTW) because they would be subjected on the one hand to the out-of-control, Hollywood media bullshit on one hand, telling them SEX SEX SEX, and on the other hand, NO WAY OF DEALING WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF SEX. Except to marry the loser you unfortunately decided to sleep with when you were young and dumb (no BC), got knocked up by (no abortion available), and now, it’s goose-eggs for you, honey. (i.e. live with whatever drunk useless fuck you were dumb enough to have sex with that one time, and hope for the best 🙂
    No thanks :)~ Can I get a sharp stick in the eye for $1000, Alex? :)~~

  327. Eleuthero February 22, 2012 at 3:54 am #

    TT said:
    We fuck with Ma Nature, and she pokes back . . . 🙂 I’m feeling rather good about this here being a Darwinian dead-end these days . . . I wouldn’t want my children to have to live through what seems to be coming down the road. Cynical, I know, but it’s my two cents. I feel bad enough about my sibling’s children and my friends and other family member’s children.
    The problem is that the Oil Age, beginning around 1800, has led to a lot of one-time circumstances like advances in medicine, the ability to drive to a doctor, the ability to grow more food, access to more food, etc. etc..
    We’re now on the downslope of the WorldWide Hubbert Curve and the last 45% of the oil is MUCH harder to get than the first 45% and so the ERoEI ratio is like 4:1 now whereas it was at least 30:1 just 50 years ago.
    Had mankind not discovered uses for petroleum in medicines, gasoline, vehicles, and so on, there is NO WAY that the human population would be anywhere near 7 billion people. A lot of those 7 billion are living in places like Phoenix, Cairo, Baghdad, and other harsh climates without sufficient water. When energy costs skyrocket, the Desert Southwest and the Middle East won’t support ten percent of their current population.
    Many people would term you a “cynic” but not me. Never. I think you’re a realist who refuses to fall for the “blue sky” that the “technology will save us once again” types. Will technology give us more freshwater? No. Will technology create substitutes for petrochemical fertilizers to feed 7 billion endlessly? No. We’re already at a breaking point where even WITH healthcare you still have sizable bills for surgery and other procedures. College is rapidly becoming unaffordable since you are no longer guaranteed a great job thereafter and, so, the wisdom of accumulating a $50K debt is coming under rightful scrutiny.
    The stark facts, which JHK has ruthlessly outlined in “Long Emergency”, are that all attempts to find petroleum substitutes are woefully inadequate, do not scale well, or are abject failures. Look at all the initial hopes for wind power. Europeans are finding out that wind is a pain because the maintenance costs for those zillion-turbine windfarms are huge.
    The saddest thing of all, for me, is that the POLLYANNAS are the ones expecting a last-minute miracle while not one miracle is evident. If anybody works on this problem, it’s going to be the PESSIMISTS who know that time’s a wastin’ and we cannot wait any longer for a “Manhattan Project” for petroleum replacements.
    The last thing I’d want to be in the current USA is a kid. At least I’ve had a good run in life. People who are 20 now never knew a great America and will never see one as long as they live because we’re looking at a “keyhole” out of which 1 billion people might survive.
    There’s no way that 7 billion people (much less the projected 9 billion) can be supported when water, oil, and many base metals are waaaaaaay past their alltime peaks.

  328. Pucker February 22, 2012 at 3:57 am #

    With regard to the Kelvar underpanties for American female motorcyclists, I thought that the whole motorcycle thing was just a metaphor since one would think that the market for such a product would be unreasonably small? There probably aren’t more than a thousand serious female motorcyclists in the U.S., and, of these, it is likely that only a small percentage of these seasoned, road-hardened women would find kelvar underpanties a “must-have” item of clothing.

  329. AMR February 22, 2012 at 4:04 am #

    The ubiquity of dot-com social climbing is one of the things that annoys the hell out of me about the Bay Area. When I lived in Palo Alto as a child (1982-92), HP and Apple were on the scene, but it was hard to find people who were douchebags about money and corporate ladder-climbing. These days they’re a dime a dozen.
    One of my cousins, who as far as I can tell has no relevant technical expertise, has somehow gotten several project management jobs with major tech companies. The software business as he describes it is positively drowning in bullshit artistry. He advised me several years ago to learn Mandarin so that I could make money bullshitting bullshitters in two languages. (I wanted nothing to do with the fraudulent business that he was touting. Besides, the characters and tones were too hard, so I stuck mainly to Russian.)
    His sister, meanwhile, stewed for several years, and may still be stewing today, because she didn’t get in on the dot-com boom prior to 2000 and make a shitload of money all at once. Instead, she had to plod along at a very lucrative job for years in order to make a somewhat smaller fortune. She has also been mad at my dad since 2003, when he administered my maternal grandmother’s estate and allegedly defrauded her of her fair share. He in fact did nothing of the sort; my cousin’s exaggerated claims were based on oral promises and insinuations and a will that was invalid because it had been drawn up after our grandmother had become manifestly incompetent.
    Brief Emeryville anecdote: circa 2000, a house two doors down from my parents’ house in Palo Alto went on the market for $929k; within a day it was bought for $2m cash. It was subsequently raised to the ground, with barely a weed left on the property, and replaced by a Taco Bell pseudo-Mission-style monstrosity that took up almost the entire 60×110′ lot. The new owner whose biotech options paid for this folly started now commuted daily to Emeryville. His darling little snowflakes just had to be in the Walter Hays catchment! Of course, the parents also had to show that they had officially arrived.
    Inland, the hot pump-and-dump scam is once again, amazingly, house-flipping. I had an almost pants-shitting moment of disbelief last week when I was driving past Tracy and heard some shyster come on the radio advertising sales positions flipping houses in Stockton and Modesto. This bastard actually declared that prices in these cities were “recovering” and “expected to increase substantially in coming years.”
    It takes either dumb-as-dirt ignorance or psychotic greed to believe a yarn like that. I cringe to think of how much of that ad’s audience puts stock in insipid “reality” shows on cable like “Flip This House.” The first thing that came to mind when I heard that ad was, “My God, these fools have actually been watching that shit!” I would truly like to have more faith in my fellow Americans, but when I hear scams like that on broadcast radio in a market that has a huge surplus of housing, I can only agree with you that we’re a narcotized people.
    It can be painful to watch.

  330. Eleuthero February 22, 2012 at 4:07 am #

    TT said:
    Except to marry the loser you unfortunately decided to sleep with when you were young and dumb (no BC), got knocked up by (no abortion available), and now, it’s goose-eggs for you, honey. (i.e. live with whatever drunk useless fuck you were dumb enough to have sex with that one time, and hope for the best 🙂
    One could afford optimism if the manifest trend in youth were to marry refined, well-mannered, modest, law-abiding citizens who are earnest enough to take their duties as mothers/fathers seriously and who take their duties at their jobs seriously.
    Instead, we have couplings that are a freak show out of some “Little Shop of Horrors” scenario. Vain pricks (and prickesses :)) whose idea of refinement is a neck tattoo and two tickets to a death metal concert.
    This, my friend, is the true horror … as a people we are heading 180 degrees in the wrong direction and all of the media lick-licks are perpetuating it by depicting nutters as the epitome of intellect and rationality like the goofball female hackers on “Criminal Minds” and “NCIS”.
    In real life, vain, marked-up nutters end up being barristas, waiters, or low-end retail clerks in low-end stores (not Neimann-Marcus). Our young ARE the “canaries in the coal mine” and we’re not even paying attention to the message they are delivering which is; a) Fuck everything, b) I don’t give a fuck, and c) Fuck you if you try too make me give a fuck.
    That’s reality, not Hollywood.

  331. Pucker February 22, 2012 at 4:07 am #

    “Pucker —
    Between now and Election Day, we can expect a few surprises, but here’s one thing that won’t change: the meals I have with supporters like you.
    These meals are incredibly important to me, and I’m committed to having them regularly.
    We’re planning the next dinner — and the first guest will be picked tomorrow night. That could be you.
    Pitch in $3 or whatever you’re able, and you’ll be automatically entered to join me and three other guests for a meal sometime soon:
    I’m looking forward to this,

  332. Eleuthero February 22, 2012 at 4:16 am #

    The problem, of course, is that as bad as Palo Alto has gotten (it’s an absolutely soulless amalgam of cork-sniffers, corporate shills, tech-obsessed gadget freaks, and success-mongers), if you go to the working class towns you just see a different type of clone i.e., a guy with a buzz cut, funny facial hair, a ballcap, and the unmistakeable inscription of DUMB on his face. The Central Valley towns are now bastions of carjacking, meth labs, and cholo gangs.
    So, you have the delightful choice of bourgeois phoniness or outright danger. Palo Alto right now is at the end of the classic 3-year venture cycle yet the dumbasses are building office space faster than you can say Jack Sprat … just in time for Tech Collapse 2.0. Why do allegedly smart people do EXACTLY the wrong thing at EXACTLY the wrong time?

  333. Vlad Krandz February 22, 2012 at 4:52 am #

    Glad you’ve finally realized you’re living behind enemy lines. I feel useful. I like to help people make good decisons.

  334. Vlad Krandz February 22, 2012 at 4:56 am #

    How is it up to you to decide when somebody becomes a person?
    Free birth control? You mean paid for by the public don’t you? And you’re going to make people pay for something they don’t believe in? That’s tyranny. I don’t have a problem with it btw, but it’s the principle. I do have a problem with abortion.

  335. Vlad Krandz February 22, 2012 at 4:59 am #

    Yeah I can see that – it really moves right along like a miniature Old Testament in itself.

  336. Eleuthero February 22, 2012 at 5:16 am #

    Vlad said:
    Free birth control? You mean paid for by the public don’t you? And you’re going to make people pay for something they don’t believe in? That’s tyranny. I don’t have a problem with it btw, but it’s the principle. I do have a problem with abortion.
    Yup. This is one of the problems I have with a certain type of liberalism i.e., the idea that if YOUR concept of liberty differs from mine, mine will prevail.
    In 29 of the 50 states, more than HALF of the pregnancies were “unintended” and, of course, a disproportionate share of those were in the black and Hispanic communities. About half of these pregnancies end in abortion.
    We all have a sex drive but in past eras people weren’t sitting on their asses in such unimaginative ways so “scoring” with the opposite sex didn’t occupy as much mindspace as it does today. With most people doing boring office jobs or other kinds of “gopher” or “flunky” jobs, they aren’t working off nearly as much of that libidinal energy as they used to.
    The incredible amount of unintended pregnancies that are half-heartedly allowed to go to birth is an indication of how many human beings are coming into the world UNWELCOMED. Of course, this is the vanity and selfishness of today’s parents so why are we surprised that our children are models of garishness and vanity?

  337. old69 February 22, 2012 at 6:47 am #

    “Inland, the hot pump-and-dump scam is once again, amazingly, house-flipping. ”
    Some small local cycles can start all over again if enough people believe in it. Of course sooner or later the game will come to an end, but people will always keep falling for the same BS over and over again no matter how many times they have been burnt. If enough people believe it, they can actually hike up prices (but nowhere near what happened from 2000 to 2007) until the prices collapse again: the real limit to it all is how many high paying jobs are available and possible to sustain such high prices ?
    Housing is special all over the world, in many cities of the world rich people from other countries buy houses and make the prices go up: but the reason is real estate, property, “office space”, houses is a proxy for VALUE, for MONEY, it is a SYMBOL for MONEY, it is a way to freeze value and money into something tangible: look at real estate as another form of CURRENCY, as a BANK, then it will all become clear to you, and MONEY IN THIS FASHION IS USED AS A WEAPON AGAINST THE WEAKER SOCIAL CLASSES.

  338. charliefoxtrot February 22, 2012 at 7:11 am #

    Come on, the sun!! i ve got what i sincerely hope is my last load of firewood; i must drive through the yard to do so, and t-storms are coming…gonna be close…

  339. charliefoxtrot February 22, 2012 at 7:30 am #

    ha ha, just the opposite for myself: born in memphis to parents who were both from miss’ippi, then right away brought to the commune here in tn…by the age of 10, i regularly visited our immediate neighbors- and the first thing i noticed that they did NOT say ‘you guys’; & noticed how they said it…so when we left (i was a teen) i was literally able to pick up a nice twang on my first day at school- really, within an hour or two…re your brit friend- bit of an aside heah, but the southern accent is derived from the british, as a preponderance of plantation owners, plus many small-holders and later just plain farmhands, were from the isles…at least that s what i was told…

  340. charliefoxtrot February 22, 2012 at 7:46 am #

    i m rereading a le carre novel; in it one character asks the other whether he ‘marries everyone he fucks’…says ‘we used to do that; it didn t work out so well’…i thought it was funny, and true enough…my own view on the subject is that no man has the right to more than 49% of an opinion; and only that if the child in question is his own…i feel this way even as i was literally a scheduling conflict away from being aborted myself- when it comes down to it, ONLY WOMEN GIVE BIRTH- in case all you “conservative”, right-wing-nut fundamentalists haven t figured this new-fangled biology out…

  341. charliefoxtrot February 22, 2012 at 8:01 am #

    …and as to ‘the right to life’: when you can eat without taking a life- plant or animal- then talk to me…and if you really care, why are so many teenagers “lost” in group homes? and why must the food and health programs that are intended to help those very same kids kept alive be slashed? where is the logic in that? i m just saying…

  342. Widespreadpanic7 February 22, 2012 at 8:49 am #

    Mick Jagger was a guest of honor at an Obama shindig in the White house last nite. Of course the festivities were covered by the ass kissing Obama syncophants from Public Television for future fundraising and broadcast. (who else)?
    Hey Mick, why don’t you drag your skinny rich geriatric ass back to your castle in England, you f—-g degenerate? Have a bottle of $10,000 champaigne on me.
    A ways back you appeared in Hartford wearing a dress. I’ve wondered about you ever since.

  343. ccm989 February 22, 2012 at 8:55 am #

    The slippery slope argument doesn’t work. Here’s why — people can’t marry dogs or power tools because dogs and power tools can’t consent to it. Federal laws (a/k/a US Constitution) always trump state laws.
    The First Amendment reads “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;” so in theory, the arrest of Warren Jeffs for practicing his religion is a violation of the First Amendment. And federal law trumps state law which means he was prosecuted illegally.
    So if you are correct that the Catholic Church is having its “religious freedom” impinged upon, then traditional Mormons are also having their “religious freedom” impinged upon. Hence the can of worms the Catholic Church has now opened.

  344. Alexandra February 22, 2012 at 9:28 am #

    The choices we make… ??
    Well thanks to the robber-banksterish control of the OECD’s with GS/JPM offices glittering in there city centre hubbs… It’s a one way route to hyper-inflation, and asset value collapse for the weak and down-trodden, and those food, water and energy prices… well they’ll be an ever increasing. But heck… what’s really noew kids?
    Last week I was in Sandbanks, Poole for a few days, one of the most des-res postcode choices to sit in atop on our little Brit isle…
    And designer harbour view LA style statement house boxes with price tags of £6m plus…. well they now squat idle lacking buyers empty, however loads are still being developed and built. One only hopes the builders aren’t relying on heavy gearing re finance for the construction, as to the potential purchasers, well they will be a very long time coming…
    But for anyone within 200 miles of central London a mega fresh water drought now is looming, so designer walk in ‘Fired Earth’ shower, sauna and steam room equipped you may be… though sadly by this summer’s height no flowing water to enjoy them you’ll have.
    Me… the choice I’m about to make is jetting off from Heathrow over to Geneva, for skiing in Champéry till Easter, seems climate change has brought the best snow ever for decades to the Swiss Alps. And now half-term is over the spoilt-bratz-packs are back at school which leaves the slopes clear and free for use… with minimal lift queuing, how I personally prefer it.
    (Powder snow free of folk)
    Then it’s onward to Turkey for sailing in early April through May, unlike Greece there an own currency controlling zone, so hopefully free of smouldering infrastructure and rioting local’s et al…
    (I’ll post updates from Switzerland & Turkey too for anyone that’s interested, or not)
    But hate to have to say it Jim and you CFN blog viewers… so far my personal sense with the peeps I’m coming into contact with… is there’s absolutely no TLE shockwaves lapping at the well manicured soles at the mo… and you’d be a boring party downer doomster for saying so.
    Though I would say in more run down Brit city environs, the walking wounded are becoming more visible… but was it any different in the 18th century?
    But when the ‘elite’ do eventually get super nervous at home, then to sea on their comfortable yachts they will for sure flee… That’s a no-brainer given, as to maintain their riches; they sure ain’t that dumb to stick around when the home fires are burning!
    Increasingly too… the insidious creep of state surveillance, increasing lack of travel freedom and punitive tax burdens… well the Cayman Islands and its ilk will no doubt see hyper-inflation in new resident numbers…
    And that’s a fact you really can believe in…
    Be seeing you…

  345. charliefoxtrot February 22, 2012 at 9:28 am #

    doesn t the freedom from religion also apply to the fourteen year old girls the bastard “married”?!

  346. ozone February 22, 2012 at 9:30 am #

    Through you, to Wage:
    Turn off your modem (if external) or shut down your computer (complete power-down) for at least 10 minutes. Longer, if you’ve got something else to do, which you most certainly do. ;o) That has worked for me before. You might have to use a new screen name, but I didn’t find that necessary.
    Try dat, and see yez soonish!

  347. charliefoxtrot February 22, 2012 at 9:31 am #

    as i understand it, consent cannot be legally given by a minor…

  348. greyghost05 February 22, 2012 at 9:46 am #

    Thanks for the link. I’ll check out a dealer near me. Anything to get off this high oil shit. The Natgas monopoly wants way too much to bring the line down the block 1/3rd of a mile to make it worth hooking up. I’d have to live another 50 years to break even.

  349. ozone February 22, 2012 at 10:10 am #

    “What’s the point of posting here now if you’re hoping that maybe a handful of other people will wade through the inordinate line space to spot a needle in a haystack. It’s absurd.” -E.
    I take the time to “wade” through to find the relevant postings. I generally have a lot of patience… until I don’t. ;o)
    Believe me, I understand your frustration.
    (But La Nina will dissipate between March and May this year. Hows that for wtftstfizzat? lol)

  350. rippedthunder February 22, 2012 at 10:18 am #

    Hey Wsp, I’ve got a nice red chiffon skirt that is To-die-for. I wear it to all the union functions! I get more kisses than a prize pig at the Big-E!

  351. ozone February 22, 2012 at 10:24 am #

    Here’s a nice little song for you, me and other folks who enjoy living here and contemplating the earthly plane, instead of waiting for that Big Transport Plane to heb’bin. :o)
    Yes, brothers and sisters, it’s a gospel tune to make the heart swell with… uh… “swellness”, but Eliza Gilkyson is going to burn in the arms of da deb-bil forever and ever amen! Enjoy.

  352. messianicdruid February 22, 2012 at 10:32 am #

    “So, to see the severe turnaround in this country, based 100% on evangelical religious beliefs, in this country, over the past 20-25 years (I am 42) makes me sick to my stomach.”
    The “severe turnaround” was caused by abandoning biblical morality and “each man {and woman} doing that which is right in his own eyes”. Sneering at the holy has its consequences.
    Organized {man-made} religion, which {in my POV} includes all secular and religious belief systems must share responsibility.

  353. 8man February 22, 2012 at 10:53 am #

    If everything is turned into a will power, everything is a will power, so you may be in opposition or in collaboration, your will power may be in control or denied: or you may define your will power in control or denied even if socially everyone says you are losing: like you may be unemployed and a loser but you secretely want exactly that because you want to be free of the chains of labor, of course your will power is being respected by the situation but others think that it is being denied, etc. So all combinations are possible.
    Also, when modifying brains, it is like a science where everything is always new, a new discovery, as if repetitive patterns and “old results” are impossible, so you have a kind of science where only new discoveries are constantly being made and possible structurally for trillions of years and for trillions of Scientists: as if the new is hardwired and assigned mentally, so strange and different from our science trying to find new results when in a modified brain science it is the other way around: impossible to find old results, every result is 100 % new.
    Also, like when they say everything I learned, I learned by forgetting everything I learned in school and such, well our experience is exactly that: we learn all of the repetitive patterns operating and create mental models and start believing our mental models more than reality, as reality denies them constantly: we must unlearn many repetitive patterns and abide to reality contradicting all and any mental models: we overdone learning and studying and creating mental models, now they must be unlearned.

  354. greyghost05 February 22, 2012 at 11:04 am #

    These jeans are for biker chic’s who most likely go commando and have poor feminine hygine habits.

  355. bossier22 February 22, 2012 at 11:18 am #

    I grew up and still live on the gulf coast also. I can’t remember how evolution was handled when I was in high school in the 70’s. It seems like I understood the concept of evolution from an early age. The information was readily available even without the internet.
    I too was determined not to ruin my life by being trapped having my girlfriend get pregnant in my teen years. There was a city clinic with multiple birth control methods. How hard is it to consider your own life. It is beyond me.

  356. charliefoxtrot February 22, 2012 at 11:20 am #

    WTF, over?! scrub my place marker (which was intended to save several minutes of scrolling with my thumb), while leaving in place oldsmobile parts strewn all over the fucking landscape??!! as if anyone even reads that shit?! i was under the impression that there is no moderator- did it look like spam? i addressed prog directly…are you reading these comments, mr kunstler?

  357. messianicdruid February 22, 2012 at 11:49 am #


  358. Rhino February 22, 2012 at 11:53 am #

    I like the saying “nobody knows anything” (Goldman, I think). And I think it was Niall Ferguson that said that history happens in spasms.
    I think that events build up bit by bit unseen or unfelt by just about everyone (ie nobody knows anything) and then there’s an apparent cataclysm (one of Ferguson’s historical spasms) that wouldn’t appear to be a spasm had people been aware of the build-up of events.
    Why are we where we’re at? A decades long run of events – economic, political, demographic – both national and international in scope. And so we have this financial debacle after we were assured by superbly self assured financial “experts” that Alan Greenspan – the maestro – had everything well in hand and had, all by himself, abolished business cycles. He was the author of the Great Moderation. As it turns out not so much. As it turns out, in my opinion at least, this disequilibrium between production and consumption and the relentless churning out of liquidity by Mr G. brought us to this pass.

  359. Rhino February 22, 2012 at 12:17 pm #

    So Martini Banter, you’re right, the US is huge and has an immense wealth of human resources. But Americans are pissing them away through sloth, slovenliness, complacency, greed, never mind outright criminality.
    So will the decline be gradual or a sudden jump off the cliff? I doubt we’ll be able to tell the difference except maybe in hindsight when vision is 20/20. This “sudden” disaster of 2006-2009 was unforeseen by a lot of people that should have foreseen it had they been looking for and seeing all the obvious warning signs.
    What could push things over the cliff? What if Iran gets the Bomb? What if Little Kim over in Korea tries to prove his manhood and provokes a conflagration? What if (and maybe this is the mother of all Black Swan events) the Taliban up-ends the ruling regime in Pakistan and gets control of the nukes? What happens if one of the Beards sets off a nuke in the vicinity of Tel Aviv or New Delhi or NYC? What would we be facing then? You say these guys aren’t crazy enough? Are you sure?
    These are “known” unknowns in Cheney speak. But what about “unknown” unknowns?

  360. Dasviking February 22, 2012 at 12:33 pm #

    We are watching Animal Farm in real life…… The barnyard pigs are staging a revolution complete with lies and deceit……
    White House adviser Valerie Jarrett….according to her….unemployment checks….in some round about way…..are actually “good for” and “stimulate” the economy……..Jarrett delivered the remarks at North Carolina Central University in Durham, North Carolina……
    what direction do you want this kountry to go??……… 2012

  361. charliefoxtrot February 22, 2012 at 12:38 pm #

    man, i ve been meaning to ask someone- just wtf is a black swan moment?! i mean, really?! i take it it has something to do with that movie…which, btw i ve not seen; & have no desire to see…i figure i have some idea from context, but it still seems like some kinda fad or something…yo…

  362. anti soak February 22, 2012 at 12:39 pm #

    Quick story, Back circa 1982 there was a photo in [Time? Newsweek?] of Jagger hugging Bowie and Bowie has his hand up imploring the photographer to not
    show them touching.
    [Rumor has it in the 60s or 70s they were an item, according to Angie..remember RS song ‘Angie’?].

  363. anti soak February 22, 2012 at 12:43 pm #


  364. Rhino February 22, 2012 at 12:45 pm #

    My question is how much of the apparent religiosity is for real and how much is contrived?
    So what do I mean by contrived: publicly proclaiming your Christian faith, declaring your belief in the biblical creation account, declaring your disbelief in evolution, going to weekly church services, attending church functions, declaring opposition to birth control/abortion, declaring opposition to same sex marriage, declaring distaste for secular values
    not believing a word of what you’re declaring.
    Why would you do this? Because everyone else is going to church, declaring their Christian faith etc etc etc and you live among such people and don’t want to be an outcast. So you secretly use birth control, get your kid an abortion when the idiot gets knocked up, believe in evolution, have no problem with same sex marriage.
    But you also do this because you can’t stand the assholes from liberal bastions that look down on the people that live in your part of the country. It’s a “fuck you” to them as much as anything. Just a theory.

  365. Rhino February 22, 2012 at 12:53 pm #

    A Black Swan is an idea developed by Nassim Nicholas Taleb.
    Wikipedia gives this account of it;
    The theory was developed by Nassim Nicholas Taleb to explain:
    1.The disproportionate role of high-impact, hard-to-predict, and rare events that are beyond the realm of normal expectations in history, science, finance and technology
    2.The non-computability of the probability of the consequential rare events using scientific methods (owing to the very nature of small probabilities)
    3.The psychological biases that make people individually and collectively blind to uncertainty and unaware of the massive role of the rare event in historical affairs
    Unlike the earlier philosophical “black swan problem”, the “black swan theory” refers only to unexpected events of large magnitude and consequence and their dominant role in history. Such events, considered extreme outliers, collectively play vastly larger roles than regular occurrences.
    IMO most of what happens in history is “unexpected”. Nobody sees things coming or smugly assumes the probability of certain events especially disasters happening is low. Until they happen.
    I’ll bet to Neville Chamberlain this whole Hitler thing was a Black Swan event. Hitler couldn’t possibly be so nuts as to re-ignite a widespread European war could he? Especially after the experience of the first one?

  366. Vlad Krandz February 22, 2012 at 1:37 pm #

    This life is all “seeds and skin” to quote the Hindu Saint Ramakrisna. That anyone could find it fufilling show they have the depth of mud puddle. In fact you don’t – thus your messianic Marxist Idealism. You are a very religious man – of a false religion. All these generations of Marxists singing “You’ll have Pie in the Sky when you Die” – what a pack of loser morons.

  367. Vlad Krandz February 22, 2012 at 1:44 pm #

    You see Charlie, most people distinguish between people and animals…But I suppose being you, you would be willing to eat a human flesh. It’s all “Killing” to Chuckles…
    Or as a man of principle like Prog, you would be willing to eat a “fetus” but not a baby. And better a baby than a baby seal…

  368. Vlad Krandz February 22, 2012 at 1:47 pm #

    Bowie gave a large contribution to Mychel Bell and his gang of Black thugs. One of the thugs went on the Internet with a picture of hundred dollar bills in his mouth.

  369. charliefoxtrot February 22, 2012 at 1:54 pm #

    aaah, bach! nothing to do with the movie; just that there aren t any black swans…thankyou for your consideration

  370. charliefoxtrot February 22, 2012 at 1:57 pm #


  371. Vlad Krandz February 22, 2012 at 2:00 pm #

    Yes, Obama is obviously not a Christian (nor a Muslim), if the word has any common meaning. Rev Wright’s Christianity is just a hate Whitey Cult. But will the Republicans have the courage to press home their advantage and hammer him like they have each other? To do so would be a tacit admission that the Democratic Party is the party of Minorities, and the Republican Party that of Whites. They lack such courage and vision and I predict an Obama victory.

  372. Vlad Krandz February 22, 2012 at 2:08 pm #

    In a strage way you remind me of Alex in A Clockwork Orange. Not only do you share a name but also his blithe indifference to essential human values that comes so easily to the rich (not only the very rich), and the very poor. Thus I dub thee Captain Blithe.

  373. ozone February 22, 2012 at 2:19 pm #

    Even though the shift-change has brought its’ usual distasteful blatherskite, let’s return to this week’s topic (just for shits and giggles, you understand).
    I’d say Mr. Palast has a decent theory of how the “choices” we get aren’t necessarily the choices we’d make (in the context of “options” for candidates).
    Now, what was all that shit about whites, blacks, jooz, and other skin-colored choices? Dumbfuckery such as this will hasten our misunderstandings in every regard. Is that the POINT? I happen to think that’s the case, so tough shit fer me, I guess. I prefer to see how well these “concepts” apply in the real world.
    Jump, froggie, jump.

  374. Vlad Krandz February 22, 2012 at 2:25 pm #

    Greece is what Democracy looks like.

  375. Vlad Krandz February 22, 2012 at 2:36 pm #

    A valid point, but how does that negate the reality of racial strife? That they are doing that as well? Well sure, but it happens naturally as well. The salient point is why do they favor minorites over Whites – even though they are ostensibly White? And then blame racism on Whites? Moreover, what are we going to do about it?
    One clue: Jews don’t consdider themselves White to begin with. This attitude, combined with the usual contempt the upper class has for the proles, has brought us to this pass.

  376. bossier22 February 22, 2012 at 2:53 pm #

    An excellent theory, Rhino. People sense when they are despised. So called progressives could steamroll politics if they practiced the tolerance that they preach. You have to be part of a pre- approved group to be tolerated.

  377. Widespreadpanic7 February 22, 2012 at 3:13 pm #

    “… insidious creep of State Surveillance ”
    Well we have state surveillance here too. ABC news segment last week reported on Drones, the same type being used in Central Asia, being deployed in a big way by police departments thru out the United States. Except these drones are armed with very sensitive cameras but no bombs (yet). For the safety of the public, you understand.
    Last summer I was Metal Detecting in a field not far from home. Suddenly a helicopter appeared and flew in pretty close. I could see the pilot filming me. Nothing came of it.
    On the local news last night was a report of technology that allows local police to scan the plates of passing cars and get an immediate report of owner, address, criminal history, description etc. As prescient as Orwell was I don’t think even he dreamed of stuff like this. It would have taken a Jules Verne if he was in to that sort of thing.

  378. charliefoxtrot February 22, 2012 at 3:20 pm #

    it is the bar code that is somewhere on the tag…you could (and disclaimer: i am not suggesting you do so) obscure or otherwise (scratch scratch) distort said bar code…might getcha pulled over; might not- but at least you know when your info is being collected…

  379. charliefoxtrot February 22, 2012 at 3:28 pm #

    not sure exactly what is meant by ‘brokered’, but it is scary to think they ll try to (s)elect jeb busIII for us…i m pretty sure it was promised to him in return for his girlfriend’s help in 2000…and for all you allergy sufferers out there, what s so hard to accept about a group of very rich, very powerful people (men) trying to rig things so that they get more power & wealth…i mean, really, what would you do if you were in their ballys?!

  380. Vlad Krandz February 22, 2012 at 3:33 pm #

    The Nine plan to look again at Affirmative Action – thus breaking the curse of Twenty Five Years that the Witch put on it many years early. Our hope lies with Alito. If this can be overturned, our Colleges will return to White and Asian almost exclusively. And if we could just deport the Mexicans we could get Blacks back into the fields and factories where they belong.

  381. Widespreadpanic7 February 22, 2012 at 3:39 pm #

    Thanks for the tip CFT. I personally am pretty legit and don’t have much to worry about. Its the idea of the thing. State surveillance is just step 1. The last step is rounding everybody up and putting them in camps. It can’t happen here? It couldn’t happen in Germany or Russia either.

  382. charliefoxtrot February 22, 2012 at 3:51 pm #

    precisely, and exactly! ‘first they came for the…’
    who was it that warned us that security at the expense of freedom is no security at all…?!

  383. trippticket February 22, 2012 at 3:52 pm #

    Proxy comment:
    “I was posting comments to CFN up till sometime Mon afternoon when suddenly the system asked me to do a fresh sign-in which the system does now and then. This time however the system came back and said “permission denied.” I tried numerous times and also tried using a secondary screen name that I had used a few times previously but, no go. I then tried setting up an all new screen name, still no go. I wrote to Kunstler and he said he had no idea what the problem was. He said he had banned “the troll” (his words) Mrs Beasley (aka Tootsie, OEO, etc) that day and unless I were Mrs Beasley I wasn’t banned. Tonight, reading the blog I see that Wagelaborer emailed Prog all up in arms to let him know that SHE had been banned. Perhaps her problem is the same as mine. I think there is some technical glitch with the CFN site.”

  384. trippticket February 22, 2012 at 4:01 pm #

    “Since they don’t understand where it came from, they conclude that it was all a God-given endowment conferred upon them for their exceptional specialness as Americans, and so only the forces of evil could conspire to take it all away.” –JHK
    You’d be amazed how true this statement is…

  385. charliefoxtrot February 22, 2012 at 4:02 pm #

    …and one of my favorite sayings of all time is ‘gun control is hitting the bull’seye with half the clip; and the surrounding target with the rest’ paraphrasing here, but you get the idea as a personal aside, an early treasured memory of mine is deer hunting with my pop for the first time as a teenager: he bought an old marlin 30-30 from his buddy, and we finally got some deermoit- otherwise known as ‘fieldmouse’…what i didn t know til years later was just how poor we were; and how welcome the vittles were…apparently carpentry work was as hard to find in the winter then as it is now anyway, good luck and good huntin’ in the seasons to come…

  386. Eleuthero February 22, 2012 at 4:28 pm #

    Ozone said:
    I take the time to “wade” through to find the relevant postings. I generally have a lot of patience… until I don’t. ;o)
    Believe me, I understand your frustration.
    Thanks for the moral support. Indeed, it is getting to be a labor, not a labor of love. Old69/Tegmark/8man writes these 250 line essays on … whatever. Then the Chinese pictograph guy(s) write 500 line posts which say … whatever. Then you’ve got the spammers and the word permutation programs and they’re long, too. Finally, one must wade through Asoka’s and others obligatory 20-30 posts per day.
    Looking for YOUR stuff or LBendet’s stuff or the handful of other sentient beings is starting to require the concentration of a nuclear physicist. 🙂 At some point, it really isn’t going to be worth the effort. At the current decay rate, that “some point” is looking to “right real soon”.

  387. trippticket February 22, 2012 at 4:29 pm #

    “Consider that half the people who vote Dem have an IQ around 90, what kind of civilization could one build? The people here cannot even bother to ask that kind of question, instead believing that everyone has post grad studies under their belt.”
    What would that matter? The land grant universities are just bitches of the giant agricorps, and the liberal arts colleges belong to the “run the economy on fairy dust” camp. Neither has much of a future. Maybe it’d be better to just be ignorant. I’ve heard it’s blissful.

  388. Alexandra February 22, 2012 at 4:36 pm #

    You are an extremely stupid, overly presumptuous white man…
    And whom could you be in a movie sense I wonder Vlad…??
    (Oh of course)
    William ‘D-Fens’ Foster he that is filmed internally imploding in ‘Falling Down’…
    The f#cked-up revenge fantasy flick re: violent redundant Caucasian rage against ‘others’… korean deli owners, latino gang-bangers, and whoever else that dares to disenfranchise the once uber-alas (but alas no longer) fading white male.
    Oh, anxious, flaccid… begrudging white male.
    Poor you!

  389. charliefoxtrot February 22, 2012 at 4:44 pm #

    have you tried the ‘find on page’ option in your browser? just type in a key word or phrase from the last entry you read; should shave quite a bit of searching…prog turned me on to it a while back- thanks, prog! i finally figured out to post my own place marker- which works great, provided the mean old webmaster doesn t wipe it clean off…

  390. k-dog February 22, 2012 at 5:03 pm #

    Now, what was all that shit about whites, blacks, jooz, and other skin-colored choices? Dumbfuckery such as this will hasten our misunderstandings in every regard.

    I just logged in to snag a few comments to test comment management software I’m writing for This definitely makes the cut. Love it and I agree, dumbfuckery is an apt description.

  391. k-dog February 22, 2012 at 5:11 pm #

    When I get my software up and running long comments will automatically fold up. If you want to see all of what a post longer than your typical post looks like you will have to click it. I might make the length subject to user control but first I’ll get something working.

  392. trippticket February 22, 2012 at 5:51 pm #

    proxy comment #2:
    “Just wanted to let you know I too reside in access denied-land.
    I would not want people to think I have chosen to leave CFN by choice, but by technology.
    Hope to join the discussion soon, but in them meanwhile I’m detoxing.”
    Anybody else?
    K-Dog, your software sounds promising!

  393. Widespreadpanic7 February 22, 2012 at 6:33 pm #

    uh-oh. Oil at $106.00 per barrel. and drudge says gas $6.00 per gallon in Kissimmee, FL. That’s gonna cut the nuts right off the ‘Economic Recovery’.

  394. jackieblue2u February 22, 2012 at 7:01 pm #

    I have always enjoyed your input.
    Really todays is great about what kind of god to believe in.
    it’s true. I believe in a loving God. It seems like too many christians believe in a Mean god.
    I like the saying that you posted today about that.
    and all your other posts. Sometimes it is time to move on. if you do I say HAPPY TRAILS !
    The tone on here has changed, and not for the better.

  395. Vlad Krandz February 22, 2012 at 7:26 pm #

    Why do you put “others” in quotation marks? And why can’t you even do the quotation marks correctly? Do you really believe that there are no others? Obviously you see Whites as ‘others’. Do you really not have any idea how screwed up that is?
    Captain, O My Captain – thou art sick.

  396. charliefoxtrot February 22, 2012 at 7:32 pm #

    jackie, have you checked out k-dog’s blog? i would submit that this is the year to write in a candidate based on platform; rather than dem-public-rats…the dog has some real ideas, and you might agree…

  397. Pucker February 22, 2012 at 8:23 pm #

    Post-collapse, “Peak Oil” semi-retirement small business ideas that people have suggested to me (not my own business ideas) so far include:
    1. Bar
    2. Strip Club bar
    3. Rock ‘N Roll nightclub bar
    4. Sex Shop
    5. Tourist hostel on the Mekong River somewhere
    6. English language school
    7. Illegal drugs growing operation somewhere.(Here, I believe the Orlov’s book “Re-inventing Collapse” suggests that marijuana might become a post-collapse alternative form of currency in the U.S., similar to Vodka in Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union.)
    Any other ideas?
    Please kindly advise if any of the foregoing would be eligible for a U.S. government Small Business Administration loan, or other government program?

  398. jackieblue2u February 22, 2012 at 8:25 pm #

    How do I get to kdog blog ?
    thank you.

  399. anti soak February 22, 2012 at 8:29 pm #

    Puck….On yahoo ‘un news’ clips they had something yday about ‘valuable stuff in yr garage’…
    which went to a TV News clip of
    yr 1938 Zippo liter is worth thousands…
    Google ‘ till 1950 biggest source of loans was pawnshops’…………….lemme know if you are going for it…I have someone with huge experience in running them….

  400. anti soak February 22, 2012 at 8:31 pm #

    A fool I know casually just lost a million $ and had to do time over his LA Med marijane shop….
    Puck…dont break the law.

  401. anti soak February 22, 2012 at 8:33 pm #

    E, do you ever read / post at Elaine Supkis?

  402. jackieblue2u February 22, 2012 at 8:35 pm #

    you know I read this and I thought I have no land, cuz live in an apt.
    If worse came to worse, I supposed I could plant a veggie garden indoors.
    we have to get creative.
    lawns are a waste. of water and land.
    I can ‘see’ folks planting inside to protect their food supply.
    oh well…

  403. charliefoxtrot February 22, 2012 at 9:45 pm #

    sorry- you click on his name…i recently found out if a commenter’s name is green, it means it is a link- for example, wage laborer, kulture kritic, etc…check out the tabs at the upper right…

  404. Pucker February 22, 2012 at 10:14 pm #

    “Pawnshops”—Actually, that’s not a bad idea: Lots of people in the U.S. are in debt; they own a lot of useless crap that they purchased over the years with borrowed money. Hmmmm…..
    How would one learn about the pawnshop business?
    I was thinking about opening a business somewhere on an Indian reservation to try to get away from the Feds.

  405. Pucker February 22, 2012 at 10:23 pm #

    What about a small business targeting the growing market of pyromaniacs in the U.S. mushrooming in the current economic collapse, “Peak Oil” environment?
    For example, chain of retail establishments in the Bible Belt of the Southern United States selling fireworks?

  406. progress2conserve February 22, 2012 at 10:32 pm #

    If you find a better blog why don’t you come back and make a report? I know the worry would be that you would drag this sites “fruit loops” over to your new home. I doubt that would happen, because even the most minimal sort of moderation would stop the aura of stupid that this place has acquired lately.
    Just getting rid of 8M and his clones and the Chinese spammer and his clones would clear up 75% of “scroll over country.” (tm either SJMom or JackieBlue)
    With some trepidation for unintended consequences – I’m going to post my email address again. It’s a leftover from a real-estate-boom business idea of mine that didn’t quite get off the ground. I’m slowly growing a group of CFN posters who might be interested in reforming on some other venue besides CFN.
    betterhotwater @
    Nutters, haters, and insulters will be immediately and permanently ignored. And be aware that I’m very slow to read and respond to emails on the above address.
    Also be aware that I am having a certifiable hellofaweek, for the second week in a row, now.
    So I won’t be around as much as usual for the next few days.
    Gotta’ go.

  407. Shakazulu February 22, 2012 at 10:50 pm #


  408. Shakazulu February 22, 2012 at 10:52 pm #


  409. Shakazulu February 22, 2012 at 10:53 pm #


  410. Shakazulu February 22, 2012 at 10:54 pm #

    Get stoned and abandon all constructive activity.

  411. progress2conserve February 22, 2012 at 11:07 pm #

    OK, one more comment –
    “Free birth control? You mean paid for by the public don’t you? And you’re going to make people pay for something they don’t believe in?”
    Vlad – with all due respect – what kind of God forsaken IDIOT would not be BELIEVE IN birth control – given today’s population numbers?
    If you want to form the Freak ‘o Leash Church of the Sacred Fetal Tissue and Large Family – go for it, big boy.
    But you should expect to pay for free birth control for the common good – just as people expect to pay for many, many other less useful activities that are supposed to be for the common good.
    And – once again – Vlad and I will demonstrate our bravery by criticizing each other as White Tribe Members and Christian Tribe Members, in public, out in front of God and everybody.
    Jeeze – what kind of chicken shit tribe won’t criticize its members, anyway? The more I think about the Mika/Met insanity, the madder I get.
    And Vlad – If you’re really a White Supremacist/Whateveryoucallit – you should be ALL OVER public funding of birth control and abortions. I mean, really, who needs the FREE benefits? People of 80 IQ’s?
    Or people of 150 IQ’s?
    This is one area where you come across as a typical conservative parroting dumb-f*ck – instead of the genuine deeply thoughtful poster that you like to believe that you are.

  412. Pucker February 22, 2012 at 11:29 pm #

    Do you remember the scene in the Jack Nicholson movie “One Flew Over the Cukoo’s Nest” where they’re playing cards in the looney bin. They’re betting cigarettes in the game of poker, and Cheswick, thinking that he’s clever, breaks his cigarettes in half so has to have twice as many cigarettes to bet. McMurphy (played by Jack Nicholson) gets all pissed off at Cheswick: “Chezzy…This is a cigarette. If you break it in half, you don’t have a cigarette anymore because you can’t smoke it. Ya got shit!”
    Obama’s assertions about fracking and a 100 years domestic natural gas supply are a bit like Cheswick. Lying doesn’t get you more oil. Lying gets you shit!

  413. Shakazulu February 22, 2012 at 11:29 pm #

    FALLING DOWN. Michael Douglas at his very best. Should’ve won an oscar except for the fact that Oscarians snort too much coke to think straight.

  414. charliefoxtrot February 22, 2012 at 11:40 pm #

    prog, you helped me fly right over the scroll-thru country, with your suggestion about “find on page”- i even came up with posting ‘place marker’ to get back to the last thing i posted…works fine; i ve been ignoring most racist /religioust rants, with the occasional impediment thrown in just for fun…so thanks…now, i know i m a newbie here- actually my first blogspot- but i quickly developed a proprietary interest, as it were…my instinct as taurus is to by god power through the bullshit, because i don t want to lose this shiny new toy to the bully across the street…i think a balance can be reached between intelligent conversation and having fun with the rubes- at least i hope so…if it helps, i hope you get your kit lined back up, with the minimum of fuss…

  415. Pucker February 23, 2012 at 12:45 am #

    Here’s a link to a Jewish dating website.
    I don’t know if you have to be circumcised to subscribe?
    By the way, what happens when a Jewish girl realizes that a bloke is not circumcised?

  416. Vlad Krandz February 23, 2012 at 1:01 am #

    She does it herself?

  417. Pucker February 23, 2012 at 1:05 am #

    What does the Jewish “Kashrut” say about sex with an uncircumcised male?

  418. Pucker February 23, 2012 at 1:11 am #

    I suppose that these sorts of questions are more appropriately addressed by “The Matchmaker Rabbi”?

  419. Pucker February 23, 2012 at 1:16 am #

    “The Choices We Make”
    “Joysa Winter, aka The Matchmaker Rabbi, knows all about how hard it is to find lasting love. It took her 17 years to find Mr. Not Wrong! In that time, she tried just about every singles site, dating club and Matzah Ball known to humanity. Now a rabbinical student and the mother of 2 young kids, nothing brings her greater joy than officiating a wedding. She is finishing a book on her dating misadventures called Chasing Cupid, Tales of Dating Disaster in Jewish Suburbia. Read more about it at”

  420. Vlad Krandz February 23, 2012 at 1:22 am #

    Well I’m arguing on two levels. As I said I believe in it so I agree with you. But many people don’t – people I respect. The creator of the Pill (which is an abortion drug to be exact) regrets that he created it. He meant it to be something for couples to use. Little did he know of the demographic nightmare he would unwittingly unleash. Also, besides causing abortions, the Pill is bad for women’s health so I guess it would have to be condoms or the diaphram or other such products in my perfect State.
    But yes, if we must live with the kind of people we do live with, I would sanction such things including financial incentives for sterilization of the unfit. But if so, we have the right and the duty to encougage the other end of the spectrum to have children – finacial incentives and/or tax breaks. After all, Whites aren’t the overpopulation problem – THEY are. And of course, if we’re going to regain our sanity and start reproducing we would also start deporting them.
    I don’t like some of the above but I admit the need. Thanks for the challenge and calling me on my ambiguity.

  421. Pucker February 23, 2012 at 1:32 am #

    “And of course, if we’re going to regain our sanity and start reproducing we would also start deporting them.”
    But, please don’t deport the blokes that you see in those immigrant-run pizza parlours who know how to twirl the pizza dough and throw it high upon into the air and then catch it spinning on their fingers when it comes down.
    We need these people as a matter of national security!

  422. k-dog February 23, 2012 at 1:35 am #

    “I believe the Orlov’s book “Re-inventing Collapse” suggests that marijuana might become a post-collapse alternative form of currency in the U.S., similar to Vodka in Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union.”
    While it is true that weed will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no weed using weed as currency is problematic.
    Potency of properly cured weed will initially increase but after a few months potency will decrease with time. A few years ago about two pounds of what looked like really good shit was found in the tomb of a Chinese shaman who died 2000 years ago. It was very well preserved by dry air in the tomb. Unfortunately, it is only to look at.
    I recall the story about the Chinese shaman from a Scientific American.

  423. anti soak February 23, 2012 at 1:35 am #

    I hear that India [1.4? Billon peeps] uses less fertilizer than US LAWNS!!!!

  424. Vlad Krandz February 23, 2012 at 1:37 am #

    And the Rabbi bites it off after the moyle cuts. When Jews gained dominance in the medical field they imposed this barbarism on the rest of us.

  425. anti soak February 23, 2012 at 1:37 am #

    ‘How would one learn about the pawnshop business?’
    Can you get to L.A.?

  426. anti soak February 23, 2012 at 1:39 am #

    Someone I knew worked for Jdate!
    They hired a non jew!

  427. Vlad Krandz February 23, 2012 at 1:41 am #

    Are you talking about smoking weed as a way of dealing with boredom? Or are you saying that it’s a medicine that can help survive hardships?
    I smoked in my early 20’s but I let it go. I don’t metabolize it that well personally. But I certainly support legalization.

  428. Vlad Krandz February 23, 2012 at 1:43 am #

    Perhaps the origins of Flying Saucers? Pizza with extra light crusts just keep on going when really spun.

  429. anti soak February 23, 2012 at 1:49 am #

    Theres something at [alt right? taki?]
    about the cute orthodox Lady in NYC whos divorcing
    and rejecting ‘her roots’,,ya gotta see her hubbys pic.
    ya gotta see the pix..the contrast…
    “Hasid Hottie” & Mother Of 4 In Bitter Custody Battle With Orthodox …
    3 days ago – He didn’t want me to get divorced, period,” Reich notes, adding that her father is a prominent rabbi…………………………

  430. Vlad Krandz February 23, 2012 at 1:49 am #

    I always wanted to go to a Matza Ball and tear off my T shirt and show them my Tats like in American History X. Not that I have any though. I don’t – it’s forbiden by the Great White Brotherhood as per Dwaja Kuhl in the Baily Books.
    The Forbiden is always attractive. Trangression is principle of eroticism. Thus Jews fantasize about “Nazis” And Nazis had a big Jewish porn motiff. I’ve heard that Israel has an Arab fetish now.

  431. tucsonspur February 23, 2012 at 1:51 am #

    ” Oh, anxious, flaccid, begrudging white male.”
    Yes, sometimes males are flaccid. Priapism, though probably temporarily enjoyable, isn’t really desirable.
    Previously, I said that you should be denied your afternoon cocktail, for two weeks I think it was.
    Now I think that you should be cocktail boarded for the same duration.
    At times over here we have a problem with sinkholes, something with which you may be familiar.
    And for awhile, I thought I was above the fray.

  432. anti soak February 23, 2012 at 1:54 am #

    ‘The land grant universities are just bitches of the giant agricorps, and the liberal arts colleges belong to the “run the economy on fairy dust” camp.’
    To some lesser or greater degree [no pun] Its what you make it.
    ‘Neither has much of a future.'[what does?]
    ‘Maybe it’d be better to just be ignorant. I’ve heard it’s blissful……….’
    Well 50% of Black Males are drop outs.
    45% are unemployed….its not bliss.

  433. anti soak February 23, 2012 at 1:56 am #

    Q, Wage, Lbendet are 403 banned?
    Theres always Elaine Supkis.

  434. anti soak February 23, 2012 at 1:58 am #

    See my post above the one of yrs I am responding to…see how good she looks and how weird he looks.
    Miss Reich and her hubby, do you think the marriage
    was arranged????????????

  435. Eleuthero February 23, 2012 at 2:19 am #

    Hi, P2C. Thanks for the email address. I will respond soon so that you have my header. Yet, it’s time to go exploring.

  436. Eleuthero February 23, 2012 at 2:27 am #

    CFT said:
    have you tried the ‘find on page’ option in your browser?
    Thanks for the tip, CFT, but it only saves a little time. It won’t change the signal/noise ratio herein. I wonder why Jim has such cheap blog software that you can’t edit your own posts?

  437. Pucker February 23, 2012 at 3:37 am #

    “Everybody loves a nice piece of Matzo. So why wait for Passover? Matzos are a fast and fabulous way to present your favorite party schmear. ”
    Schmear” is a word of Yiddish origin, which is the historic name of cream cheese spread upon a bagel.
    Originally, the usage of the word schmear, or shmear, referred to a spread of cream cheese on a bagel. In modern usage it has extended to anything that can be spread, and in some cases refers to “an entire set or group of related things”, or the expression “the whole shmear”. [1]

  438. Pucker February 23, 2012 at 3:44 am #

    What do you think of the whole “Schmear”?
    Schmear” is a word of Yiddish origin, which is the historic name of cream cheese spread upon a bagel.
    Originally, the usage of the word schmear, or shmear, referred to a spread of cream cheese on a bagel. In modern usage it has extended to anything that can be spread, and in some cases refers to “an entire set or group of related things”, or the expression “the whole shmear”. [1]

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  441. progress2conserve February 23, 2012 at 5:09 am #

    “I wonder why Jim has such cheap blog software that you can’t edit your own posts”
    OK, couldn’t sleep. Glad I got up and checked this Cluster Fuck – even though I’m sneaking around the house wearing my wife’s glasses, and can’t half see to type.
    The above gave me a chuckle, E. Imagine asoka. if he was able to back and change his psots. He would fragment into pieces from centripetal forces – like a nuclear powered melting-doiwn whirling dirvish of Infinitely Large Contradictions.
    And thanks for the well wishes. A family illness has become a death in the family and yet another cross-State funeral 0- this time of the entire State, from mountains to coast and back. If I had had perfect future vision and been able to miss the funeral two weeks ago, we might not be having this second one.
    Whoever said, “we don’t regret the things we do, we regret the things we don’t do….?”
    That person needs to insert an escape clause to allow for the possiblity that it is possible to regret both categories of thing – simultaneously.
    And speaking of peak oil –
    I do believe that the WWII generation is going to be mostly laid to rest while the oil still flows freely.
    I very much doubt that my generation will be so “fortunate.” ? ?
    C F on, you all. I’ll be Bach.

  442. jim e February 23, 2012 at 5:24 am #


  443. jim e February 23, 2012 at 5:35 am #


  444. Pucker February 23, 2012 at 7:15 am #

    The next time that you go out on a date with a girl ask her if she’s “…wearing a wire?”

  445. bubbleheadMarc February 23, 2012 at 7:31 am #

    The ideal bar business post collapse would be a “titty” bar in Guam, new home of the 7th Fleet.

  446. Pucker February 23, 2012 at 7:34 am #

    Strike that…
    The next time that to talk to anybody, ask ’em if they’re “…wearing a wire?”

  447. bubbleheadMarc February 23, 2012 at 7:42 am #

    To deal with the public is to deal with assholes. The only alternative is to have a moderator who rejects asinine posts. Having a moderator would effectively shut down the real time interaction and make the blog staid to the point of dullness most likely. I think it’s easier to just scroll past the posters who hold no interest for you. Also, I don’t get the impression that the blog has gotten worse in the past two years or so, which is as far back as I’ve been reading it.
    I do know that in a barbershop it causes more trouble than it’s worth when you become confrontational with the two-thirds of the population who are assholes of some variety. It is always easier to grin and bear it or perhaps to give the real turkeys ten minute haircuts just to get rid of them before they drive you nuts, which admittedly in my case is a short drive.

  448. Pucker February 23, 2012 at 7:45 am #

    Are you wearing a wire?
    I’m not sure if I have the emotional disposition for managing a “titty bar” or a sex shop? Just the pink neon tubes would be rather disorienting.

  449. charliefoxtrot February 23, 2012 at 8:28 am #

    (seth & amy:) Really? REALLY?! where are you getting your information, glen beck? no, rush…? you ignorant puke, prevention of a pregnancy is not abortion…the pill tricks (and this part is important:) a WOMAN’S uterus into thinking she is already pregnant in order that the ovum won t “stick”; thus preventing a fetus…and to think that religious institutions used to be the centers of learning…

  450. Rhino February 23, 2012 at 11:14 am #

    I dunno Tripp. The Sunbelt is not the only preserve for numbskulls. There’s a LOT of ignorance out there. I hear people in non-sunbelt places that have ZERO idea of where their necessities of life come from. They think that vegetables and pork chops come from store shelves. They think that water magically comes from faucets. They take these things UTTERLY for granted. It looks to me also like a quasi religious belief: it was always here, it will always be here, the father, the son and the holy spirit (or choose your own incantation).

  451. Bustin J February 23, 2012 at 11:19 am #

    K-dog: “While it is true that weed will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no weed using weed as currency is problematic.”
    A private plane was forced to land at LAX last week when the Chinese V.P. was visiting. It strayed too close to Obama’s AF1, and was intercepted by F-16s.
    Pilot had several pounds of marijuana on board.
    The fact is that several pounds of anything fly all over this great republic all the time. Guns, drugs, anthrax, fissionable material. One can only imagine what illicit goods are packed into the crates of Caesar salads as they make their way to America’s lunch break.

  452. Eleuthero February 23, 2012 at 11:29 am #

    This past summer, I predicted to a Russian friend that the S&P 500 would make it to 1440 and it looks on target to do just that. As I have repeatedly said, it is a grave mistake for market bears to mistake the real economy for the stock market and they end up shorting it so soon that they get stopped out just before they become “correct”.
    I have ZERO Schedule D transactions for year 2011 because I believe that the only prudent decision a bear can take is largely CASH with possibly some investment in a food/fuel futures fund. In the Fed’s desperation to prevent deflation at all costs, we’ve got just what Bernanke wanted but at a terrible price i.e., stagnant wages, the worst jobless claims in a “recovery” ever, and rising costs for food, fuel, healthcare, and college.
    Well, we certainly don’t have deflation but the GDP right now is actually NEGATIVE if the 3% inflation is taken into account … which it NEVER is in the media. Of course, the Obama Administration and the Fed are more than willing to propagate this illusion since it wouldn’t look nice to say that all of our “growth” is a growth in prices paid by consumers.
    Despite the persistent bellowing of people on this site like Asoka and people like Geithner telling Europe to “go American” by raising their annual deficits to 1/3 of the entire Federal budget. The cost of permanently prohibiting deflations and recessions for any length of time will keep the NOMINAL Dow afloat as I have long maintained but all you need to do as time flows by is to keep your eye on the prices for ESSENTIAL goods and not the “official” inflation statistic which is bad enough in a stagnant wage economy.
    Fisher of the Dallas Fed today said things are so good that there’s no need for QE3. Looking at coincident and lagging indicators, this is true. However, those are not the correct indicators to be observing. I believe that by mid-April at the latest, QE3 will be seriously discussed. But you have to wonder, if everything is so terrific, why would half the Fed even be remotely considering QE3???
    Get used to “Orwellian” economic reporting right up to the moment N years from now when the US defaults on its debts. Here is the key point: US doubt is now more than 102% of GDP while the supposedly “dire” situations in Europe are less and often FAR LESS than that: Spain 61% of GDP, Portugal (total slackers right?) 93%, and even Greece … the biggest basket case of all is at 120% of GDP.
    European business confidence, despite their “allowance” of a small recession, is now increasing and the US debt continues to absolutely spiral into uncharted territory. The consumer is being isolated by disinformation while his/her situation stagnates yet he/she is being told how things are “improving”.
    But don’t short the Dow!!!! The play of the next two years for gamblers will be to SHORT THE US DOLLAR. If the US runs trillion dollar annual deficits for just THREE more years (a likelihood), the US debt/gdp ratio will equal GREECE just one year ago. One.
    “Nothing is as it seems. Skim milk masquerades as cream”.

  453. Eleuthero February 23, 2012 at 11:32 am #

    Another bit of Wall St. deception … if the stock markets now represent such good value, why are the COMMERCIAL HEDGERS (like Goldman, Citigroup, etc.) net short the S&P 500 by more than 2 to 1?

  454. Eleuthero February 23, 2012 at 11:41 am #

    BHM said:
    I do know that in a barbershop it causes more trouble than it’s worth when you become confrontational with the two-thirds of the population who are assholes of some variety. It is always easier to grin and bear it or perhaps to give the real turkeys ten minute haircuts just to get rid of them before they drive you nuts, which admittedly in my case is a short drive.
    Marc, your philosophy is shrewd because we live in the era of “road rage” when a tantrum thrown at a Neanderthal is likely to get you shot, stabbed, or mortally beaten. I dare say that anyone on this site over 50 has seen the inflection from a more civil society to one where even the smallest expression of righteous indignation isn’t worth the possible consequences.
    I follow the personal modus operandi of vacating a scene of possible danger rather than sticking around like a traffic accident rubbernecker to “see what happens”. When confronted with ill-mannered assholes in public, I try to create distance between me and them … wordlessly.
    Besides, it’s in the very nature of the increasing stupefaction of the country that no matter how “logical” or “correct” your umbrage at the behavior of others, knuckledraggers aren’t concerned with such niceties because the LOUDEST and/or most BESTIAL person in a public argument now is the “winner”.
    So … you’re absolutely right.

  455. Rhino February 23, 2012 at 11:44 am #

    He did crap on Democrats and progressives but get this, he said: the opposing Democrats have their own problem with reality, which is that they don’t tell the truth about so many things despite knowing better…
    “Knowing better” he said. Big assumption. Big PRESUMPTION. Do they really “know better”? And of course to so many of the glitterati it’s axiomatic that Sunbelt folk are too dumb to “know better”.
    A lot of people are blind to the idiocies rampant on what they presume to be the bastions of knowledge and enlightenment. Yet look at what comes out of the ne plus ultra of intelligence, wit and sophistication (NYC and especially Manhattan and especially Wall Street). Are these the thoughts and actions of people that “know better”? Are these the best and the brightest?
    Sorry but I just cannot swallow that brand of koolaid. From my perch they look like the dumbest and the worst. They took a country that had so much going for it and they fucked it up totally. They gutted the productive economy, ruined its financial circulatory system and then they have the utter gall to say give us money or we’ll blow the place up. I would have called their bluff, I would have said fuck you blow it up. You flush us down the shitter and you’ll come down with us. They offshore productive work and yet they expect Uncle Sam to protect them and their intellectual property rights. What the fuck for? What earthly good are they to the USA?

  456. Bustin J February 23, 2012 at 11:56 am #

    E said, “buh-bye”
    Everyone makes an announcement like this. It doesn’t make much difference. Although it is nice to not have to wonder whether someone died.
    I come here for the fisticuffs.

  457. charliefoxtrot February 23, 2012 at 12:01 pm #

    let s see if this works- for those of you who haven t seen this one yet:

  458. Bustin J February 23, 2012 at 12:07 pm #

    Pucker squeezed out, “For example, chain of retail establishments in the Bible Belt of the Southern United States selling fireworks?”
    Sure thing, ya betcha!
    Americunts love combustion of all types. In their cars, in their fireplaces, at distant locales, in the test firing ranges at their weapons manufacturing jobs, and especially fireworks.
    Thinking of starting a little export business out of Ghuanzhou?
    As bad as an aseptic Foxconn iPad assembly plant is, its not half as uncomfortable as a job in a fireworks factory.

  459. Rhino February 23, 2012 at 12:08 pm #

    The US has been in so called slow motion default mode for some time.
    You’ll never get anything but Orwellian double think and double speak out of the economics “profession”. If they aren’t poodles for their banker employers and incessantly yapping about blue skies and happy times for stocks or bonds or whatever form of diseased, toxic shit the banker is currently peddling then they’re censored, bound and gagged by political ideology or they’re muzzled and constrained by prevailing group think on their college campus. If they get out of line they’ll get chopped down. And so what you won’t get is anything resembling a clear take on things. Don’t look to economists for anything useful. You won’t get it from them.

  460. Vlad Krandz February 23, 2012 at 1:16 pm #

    Charlie, I believe the ovum is already fertilized by that point – not that you care but some of us do. It’s the principle – a new life has been created. I do acknowledge that it’s nice to kill the baby before it has a nervous system and can feel pain. Obama voted for the Infanticide Bill – that when an abortion fails and the baby is born alive, the doctors have the right to kill “it”.
    I have no doubt but that you support this. I mean you support women and shit. And it’s “their” body even when it’s outside them and crying. And women are always right and have the right to kill etc.

  461. Vlad Krandz February 23, 2012 at 1:20 pm #

    Bravo Bustin. Combat sharpens us, defines us, makes us more. And some want a moderator! The Females and the Feminized! Bring it on bitches, Bustin and I are waiting for you at the Littani River.

  462. Vlad Krandz February 23, 2012 at 1:25 pm #

    No cocktails for Captain Blithe? Horrors! She’ll sail over the edge of the world. Her Black Boyfried will be in danger!
    Call in Steed and Emma for a crisis intervention.

  463. Vlad Krandz February 23, 2012 at 1:32 pm #

    Yes Marc, please make a secret tape and download it for us here. We can call it the Barbershop Diaries.
    Remember, you worship a God who is both a god and a devil. Abraxas is his name. He wants us to be tricksters – it move Life along. And every man must destoy a world just to be born. You can’t fly to God if you are still inside your egg.

  464. Widespreadpanic7 February 23, 2012 at 1:36 pm #

    Suddenly, once again, there is alot of noise in the media as gasoline prices edge up to $4.00 per gallon. Same old thing: Congressional investigations are called for, of Big Oil, of the refiners, of speculators, of OPEC. The blue collar people I hang with blame the situation on the Greens and Environmentalists because “there’s plenty of oil right here”, and “they won’t let us drill.” There is no use talking to them about it. Of particular concern here in the northeast is that home heating oil is almost $4.00 per gallon, too, and that’s how everybody heats their houses. Some, many, just cannot afford it.
    Truth is, I’m a little puzzled why the price has gone so high so fast myself, ‘specially when you read on sites like oil drum that right now supply is plentiful and usage in the US & China is down from last year. I’m certainly a layman here but I do pay attention; the ordinary sports fan who is paying $110. to fill up his F350 is saying WTF.

  465. Vlad Krandz February 23, 2012 at 1:37 pm #

    How many blogs does Alexandra go on and report her skiing/sailing schedule? She is a confirmation of Thorstein’s Veblen’s theory of conspicuous consumption.
    But remember, she’s doing it for You. She is Big Brother’s Daughter.

  466. Vlad Krandz February 23, 2012 at 1:53 pm #

    You spoke about a “WOMEN’S UTERUS”. So how is your’s?
    Any drug or herb that induces abortion is called an abortofacient. Anything that prevents conception is called a contaceptive. Apparently the Pill can work in either way when it works.

  467. Vlad Krandz February 23, 2012 at 1:58 pm #

    Some say that China is paying more. But that begs the question why now? Why didn’t the price go up before since China’s demand has been high for a good while now.
    Other say it’s the future’s market: the coming War with Iran is upping the price.

  468. Rhino February 23, 2012 at 2:00 pm #

    We’ve seen this before. A few years ago oil was $150/barrel. Shortly after it plunged to about $40/barrel.
    The short answer according to some is the role of speculators in oil markets. They drive prices to places unwarranted by demand as rooted in actual consumption and supply as rooted in actual production. Apologists for speculators and financial institutions that indulge in speculation is that speculators create liquidity. Maybe they do. Maybe they also create massive distortions in market prices. Do you want to narrow down the blame even more? Some point to the Fed’s policy of creating massive, excess liquidity.

  469. Dasviking February 23, 2012 at 2:04 pm #

    The left says high gas prices save 1,000 lives a year as obama laughs at the f350 crowd….watch the vid below….

  470. charliefoxtrot February 23, 2012 at 2:43 pm #

    i ve read a few articles recently which address the probability that the oil sanctions vs iran will actually enrich them further in the long run, both because in the short term prices will go up (most likely dramatically- duh!), and they won t sell as much- meaning their supply will become even more valuable relative to the supply elsewhere…of course, it would depend on the current govt keeping sovereignty- which was addressed over at ICH…i ll be back w/ a link…

  471. asoka. February 23, 2012 at 3:14 pm #

    Dasviking, thanks for the laugh. I am laughing with Obama. If somebody with a big SUV or a big truck is getting 17 mpg and I am getting 39 mpg in my vehicle, they are going to pay twice as much as me for gasoline. When are people going to accept personal responsibility for their decisions and stop blaming the politicians? I listened to Jimmy Carter. I don’t regret my decisions. I’m not whining about gas prices. It’s about time. The higher the price of gas, the more people will walk, bike, or otherwise conserve. I’m a conservative in that sense.

  472. charliefoxtrot February 23, 2012 at 3:30 pm #

    #%&!…can t find it; must have been an external link, and i can t remember the author’s name…may not have been ich either…anyhoo, it was pointed out that if we invade, all they have to do is hunker down, as we cannot conceivably occupy their whole country; and as soon as we try all arabs sympathetic- which would be most- will start sniping at the edges (kuwait, iraq, afghanam, etc) and at israel…they know we re broker’n a two-bit miner at a three dollar whorehouse; and can t sustain for long…and if worse comes to worse, and we (or israel) nuke em, they automatically win the moral victory in the eyes of the world…granted that might last all of five minutes before everyone starts throwing their weight around; we all lose WWWIII…

  473. k-dog February 23, 2012 at 4:49 pm #

    While WageLaborer and others can’t post here right now she does have her own blog. You can even leave a comment.

  474. tucsonspur February 23, 2012 at 5:08 pm #

    I’ll be kind and let Emma do the cocktail boarding.

  475. Jim in DC February 23, 2012 at 5:27 pm #

    It is utter nonsense to suggest that somehow the people in the north are smarter than southerners. Human intelligence follows the same bell curve anywhere on the planet. You can make fun of southerners being religious idiots but how is that any different than jersey shore or the likes of the kardasians?
    It is also ridiculous to suggest that the south is going to be worse off in the long emergency than the north. Give me a hot summer day in Alabama any day over a winter in Michigan or New York without heating oil!

  476. k-dog February 23, 2012 at 5:48 pm #

    But there is stuff in the water…………..

  477. messianicdruid February 23, 2012 at 5:51 pm #

    “The play of the next two years for gamblers will be to SHORT THE US DOLLAR.”
    Gold is a sapling, silver is an acorn.

  478. Eleuthero February 23, 2012 at 5:56 pm #

    Jim in DC said:
    It is also ridiculous to suggest that the south is going to be worse off in the long emergency than the north. Give me a hot summer day in Alabama any day over a winter in Michigan or New York without heating oil!
    I’ve also wondered if JHK’s take on the Northeast was “convenient” given that he lives there. It would seem to me that one would be uncomfortable but not dead if the A/C went out on a 94 degree day. When I was a small tyke in Philly, fans were all we had. However, if it’s in the 20s and you don’t have heat for a week, you’d better have a strong immune system because even if you have ten blankets you’re still breathing cold air and if you’re even slightly predisposed to pneumonia, you’d be very vulnerable.
    I, too, question that the South is less survivable that the North. JHK’s thesis seems to be that Southerners have more guns and will shoot each other during heat waves without A/C. I just don’t think it’s that cut-and-dried. The South gets a lot of rain and has plenty of arable land. I’m not sure I buy JHK’s thesis that Northerners are so much more civilized than Southerners that “civic cooperation” will save them.
    The Northeast is just like any other place in America in 2012 … lots of soulless suburbia, people don’t know their neighbors too well, and family/friend social structures are just not as tight-knit as in earlier eras. Of all of JHK’s contentions, I think you put your finger on perhaps the most dubious.

  479. Buck Stud February 23, 2012 at 5:56 pm #

    The US is not going to waltz into Iran without suffer severe consequences, especially those of the economic variety. Indeed, according to DEBKA, the U.S is working behind the scenes to thwart an Israeli attack:
    So one country is pushing for an attack, while President Obama and others seemed intent on negotiations and the preservation of the economy in an election year.
    Who will triumph?

  480. charliefoxtrot February 23, 2012 at 6:08 pm #

    now wait a minute, dawg, you caint blame jersey shore on flouride; according to naturalnews, joisey is one place that doesn t flouridate everybody…!

  481. ront February 23, 2012 at 6:23 pm #

    Originally published in the Spring 2003 edition of Free Inquiry Magazine
    Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. He found 14 defining characteristics common to each:
    1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism – Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
    2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights – Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.” The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
    3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause – The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
    4. Supremacy of the Military – Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
    5. Rampant Sexism – The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
    6. Controlled Mass Media – Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
    7. Obsession with National Security – Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
    8. Religion and Government are Intertwined – Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government’s policies or actions.
    9. Corporate Power is Protected – The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
    10. Labor Power is Suppressed – Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
    11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts – Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
    12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment – Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
    13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption – Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
    14. Fraudulent Elections – Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
    Any questions, America?

  482. charliefoxtrot February 23, 2012 at 6:37 pm #

    @E- not having lived up north, i can t say from experience that yankees are inherently rude; i can say with some confidence that our agrarian roots still lend themselves to an ingrained politeness- and we re not all religious or idiots- ever heard of vanderbilt university? but i think the most likely reasons for survival are twofold: the aforementioned weather (growing season), and the guns…we won t be shooting at each other; we ll be shooting at food and the masses of (and many will be northern) city dwellers who don t know how to grow a grocery shelf…suh…
    @buck- you see where russia warned israel not to, and at about the same time israel said they weren t going to bomb anybody?

  483. Vlad Krandz February 23, 2012 at 6:44 pm #

    So you are against all Nations? Or all Nations except for Israel?
    Do you really believe that we have no enemies? We have many, both without and within – the latter the more deadly.
    Fascsim, or intimate cooperation between the Goverment, the Corporations, and the People often produces wonderful art. It’s Communism which is sterile since it rejects the past and the unique traditions of the people in question. Art has to be about something in general after all. Modern art without content is pretty crappy for the most part.
    Are you saying that we don’t need more law and order? We obviously need more since the break down of the family. But I suppose you’re in favor of that too.
    Fascism is just a smear word the New World Ordure gives to Nations they can’t get their filthy hands on.

  484. Vlad Krandz February 23, 2012 at 6:50 pm #

    Fascism reveres the past history in terms of Commemorating heroes, victories, martyrs, founders, etc and also in terms of the living traditions that have come down from the past. Obviously our System is at war with its own past slandering our heroes as greedy racists. So – obviously we are not Fascists. Simple as that. Cut and dried.
    The word you are looking for is Totalitarianism. We are being taken over by Plutocratic Totalitarians. I know you want to link America to Nazi Germany but it just doesn’t fly. We’re much closer to becoming the Communist Soviet Union.

  485. IxNoMor February 23, 2012 at 7:21 pm #

    Talk about a bunch of fucking cry-babies!!! Did I plant a seed, or *sumptin’*, back a month or two ago, when I alluded to the fact that sock puppets abound? I mean, shit – there’s new poasters over the past month, who never poasted a single thing be-4. However, their first poast is in response to their specific puppet master, *ONCE* – then they’re gone permanently…
    Clean coal/natural gas will save us – say the fucking morons without a clue as to the exponentially growing atmospheric CO2 density curve.
    You know, I used to get severely pissed off at clearcutting back in the 80’s, for fast food cattle grazing – but at least that clearcutting didn’t *ALSO* involve BULLDOZING OFF THE TOPSOIL, to get at the “gold riverbed on bedrock”, or the “tar/oil sands”. Talk about taking something purely shitty, and making it 1,000x *WORSE*…
    13k Dow, *almost* (did I say that already – been a while, I forget)… When you “thank” the ISDA will call Greece as it is – total and utter *DEFAULT*?!? Bwahahaha, AIG up *6%* in afterhour trading today!!! Talk about scam…

  486. DeeJones February 23, 2012 at 7:33 pm #

    “…the ordinary sports fan who is paying $110. to fill up his F350 is saying WTF.”
    To paraphrase the title of the blog, its the choices we MADE.
    15-20 years ago the average american made the choice to drive a giant, huge vehicle that got very low mileage, instead of a smaller, fuel efficient vehicle like a Pious, I mean Prius.
    For ex, when I still lived in Nor Cal, I drove a Honda Civic that got 35+mpgs, and only filled up the tank every two weeks. OK, I had a very short commute in-town. But I was talking with a F-250 owner at the gas station one time and he filled his truck TWICE a week, and bitched about the cost.
    When I asked him if he actually needed or used the huge truck in his line of work, the answer was “NO”, he just drove it because “it was comfortable and he liked that he could ‘look down’ on the other cars”.
    When I suggested he try a Civic, he looked at me like I had suddenly developed Tourettes Syndrome, or had threatened to emasculate him.
    Yes, its the Choices we Made. And we can’t un-make them now, its too late. So now, many of the choices we could have made that would have left us with some control over our lives are instead being made by forces outside our control.
    So I say tough shit to all those driving huge, fuel inefficient vehicles, you made that choice, you are just going to have to live with it. If you had been smart, and made a different choice, perhaps you wouldn’t be making the choice of filling the tank and eating dog food, or having steak for dinner and waiting till next week to put some gas in the Pious.
    As some comedian once said, you can’t cure stupid.
    And American stupidity is terminal…

  487. asoka. February 23, 2012 at 7:49 pm #

    Amen, Dee!
    We have been reading the writing on the wall for decades. Anybody who did not have the foresight to get out of America will now have to suffer the consequences. I salute you, DeeJones, for your intelligence and your fortitude to set yourself up in Central America. I have my place in South America ready. The rest can stay put and enjoy (or bitch about) the demise of the insane asylum they have built and paid for.

  488. DeeJones February 23, 2012 at 8:14 pm #

    BTW: So’s I don’t get flamed from Rhino & all his F-350 Bros, the stupidity is not all at the bottom, there is PLENTY at the top too.
    Since the ’80s and all those little MBA droids walked out of Wharton into CEO & CFO positions, with their short-sighted view towards the ‘bottom line’ and THEIR end of the year bonuses, its been nothing but down hill for american business. The executives of both liberal & conservative persuasions have totally destroyed the american industrial base, and the middle class that it supported.
    First it was moving auto related jobs from Detroit to non-union states in the south. Cuts in wages, boosts in profits & bonuses.
    Next it was moving those very same jobs to Mexico and other places So’ of the Border where they could pay even lower wages, wages way below the US minimum wage.
    Then in the ’90s China seduced american corporations with even lower costs and wages. They couldn’t resist. Even bigger boosts in profits and bonuses.
    But there was no longer a ‘middle class’ left to consume the products being imported from China.
    Thus the explosion in credit card debit and the home equity line of credit so you could treat your house like an ATM.
    And the band played on. But at some point, someone, somehow, has to pay the piper.
    Wonder how that is going to pan out?

  489. bubbleheadMarc February 23, 2012 at 8:48 pm #

    Great post even if we’re not 100% quite yet. Will we all be required to wear uniforms when the score rises to 100%?

  490. Vlad Krandz February 23, 2012 at 8:52 pm #

    The fix seems to be in: several commentators including Rush have noticed that Ron Paul never attackes Romney. Rand Paul was asked if he would be willing to be Romeny’s Vice President – he said he would be delighted.

  491. bubbleheadMarc February 23, 2012 at 8:56 pm #

    But of course, why didn’t I think of that first? How could I be so obtuse?

  492. bubbleheadMarc February 23, 2012 at 9:01 pm #

    Yes, and I am downloading the secret tape for Vlad the Impaler. You should really reconsider the Guamanian Titty Bar. If you hired a good decorator you could have a tasteful more decorous titty bar and attract a more upscale clientele, especially if you got a good stripping agent to attract the best European girls.

  493. ak February 23, 2012 at 9:24 pm #

    A very good cartoon video posted on Dmitry’s blog: There’s No Tomorrow.
    Just over a half an hour, with a classical/synthesized score and a nice-sounding (Irish?) narrator, it explains most of JHK’s thesis. (He doesn’t seem to be in the credits, tho)
    For those wanting to share email, search for disp[osable emails – in some cases, one can make up an address on the fly (without setting it up first), and only then go there to check if anything arrived. Mail’s held for a week only.

  494. asoka. February 23, 2012 at 9:32 pm #

    Greed and militarism of the USA has bankrupted the country both morally and economically since the 60s. Now it’s time to pay the price with decline and collapse.
    Whining about Obama won’t help. A stupid and ignorant and prideful nation has trampled on others and consumed the world’s resources at an inordinate rate for decades. Now comes the reckoning. As Newt said in last night’s debate it may be a lethal nuclear reckoning.
    “God damn America.” The Marine Corps veteran Rev. Wright was correct to say that for all the hatred and evil the world’s most violent nation has spawned, killing millions with seeming impunity.
    Jesus said you reap what you sow. I simply say karma.