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Let’s face it: most people will not read Justice Alito’s carefully crafted arguments about what the constitution says or doesn’t say about abortion, or the meaning of “ordered liberty” through our history. We do not live in history. We live in the time of our time. And, until just recently, this has been a time that discarded former modes of conduct between men, women, and children as inconvenient to the presumably greater project of self-actualization.
To be-all-that-you-can-be is a stirring notion, and it seemed to work nicely within the colossal techno-industrial armature of the past century, with all its inducements to thrive personally, at least for the comfortable elites who pulled the levers of that system — though not so much for those below caught in the gears, who produced children despite all the novel means for avoiding it. For the fortunate, motherhood became just another “no” box to check off, while fatherhood merged into the odious mists of obsolete patriarchy. History is made up of things that seem like good ideas at the time. The hard part now is moving out of a familiar time into the undiscovered country of a new time.
The support system for all that is going, going, gone and in the ensuing flux all that rousing self-actualization starts to look more like Thomas Hobbes’s war of all against all, a savage and pre-human state of nature. As this occurs, all human beings have to fall back on are modes of conduct that include a moral and ethical dimension, which is to say, what is right and what is wrong, not just what is allowed at a given moment.
Which is also to say: maybe the time of smashing boundaries is over. As that scaffold of techno-industrial comfort and safety disintegrates, and all the dazzling promises of becoming transhuman dissolve — sorry, Klaus Schwab — we will likely have to settle for being human again, and in the best way, not the worst way. That includes a certain reverence for our nature and for each other. That suggests not killing children.
These days, this place on the planet that used to be a nation groans under a tribulation of bad ideas, bad choices, bad conduct, bad management, and bad faith. We have not been so ripe for regime change since 1776. A ruling Party of Chaos is doing absolutely everything to disorder our lives and there really is no generous interpretation for its motives. Everything it touches breaks, wilts, withers, splinters, rots, poisons, and infects the body politic, driving it deeper into derangement. It doesn’t even pretend to make sense because that would require making distinctions between what is true and what’s not true. We follow-the-science into pure evil.
What awaits is the abandoned scaffold of the family and the community as opposed to the brute hierarchies of mere lonely, forsaken persons under the leviathan state and the behemoth corporation, which have produced mainly new kinds of cruelties, such as: the deadly “vaccine” mandates, the no-knock FBI visitations, the surveillance cameras, the robotic phone trees with their interminable holds, the obtuse insults of the HR departments, the drag queens twerking in your children’s faces, and much more. You might not know it from the news — what is the news now, anyway, except mercenary shuck-and-jive — but these giant governments and corporations are thrashing in their death throes. Get out of their way if you possibly can. Form the bonds you can with people and cherish them. For many, they will be all you’ll have for a while.
You can’t overstate the havoc that we’ll have to live with in the months ahead, short of blowing up the whole joint, one can hope. And it will happen just as a gigantic set of pretenses to a New Order of things rolls out to thumping failure. Forget about central bank digital currencies. Don’t believe that the very people who have severed the relationship between actual capital and money can just magically conjure a new order of money that they propose to control and you don’t. Meanwhile, the old-school money they created too much of is headed for the biggest gaping black hole imaginable because that’s what happens when money based on debt is not paid back. So, for a while, there will be too much money and then there will be not enough, and then nobody will have money.
All that happens as the supply of every kind of stuff in the world stops moving from Point A to Point B, including replacement parts for every sort of machine, distribution of petroleum and its products, and food. And at the same time, it finally becomes too obvious to ignore the fact that many millions are dying or becoming disabled from the effects of the mRNA vaccines foisted on the public, especially in the USA and Europe.
Out of all that suffering will eventually come a new respect for human life and reconstructed relations between men and women, with all the abstruse ambiguities, pretensions, and nebulosities about sex put aside for some future age of decadence. It won’t require further agonizing reappraisals by any high courts to figure it out. Children are the consequence of sex. Children are required to carry on the human project.
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In our current age of decadence, I saw something out of SF or somewhere on the West Coast where at a “pride” event – naked men were walking around in front of children, without a care in the world. How did they become so self-absorbed to think that was acceptable behavior. Then, I saw twerking Dobbs protestors and videos on twitter of crazed women having primal breakdowns. Almost unbelievable.
I do believe that it has always been customary for those who worship Satan to engage in deviant corporal acts of sex and violence. That’s one explanation.
Another might be that once Barney the Purple Dinosaur abandoned them and their “everyone is so special” status and they realized that the world considers them as just another asshole, they act out as only spoiled, rotten brats can do.
Oh, and 400 LB women hollering “My body, my choice!” and threatening to withhold sex. Withhold from what, Water Buffalos??? OMG!
Now you’ve hit a raw never for me, my dear. Our township was run by club of 450-pound bullies and our school system lauded over by their 450-pound wives. We called them The Water Buffalos, no kidding! I was able to thwart them for a few years until they resorted to a massive Facebook assault upon me and those that supported me, so I was thrown out of office at the end of last year. When I was growing up, I recall it being said that fat people were happy people. Looks like that’s changed dramatically.
I am running again this year as the Kennedy Democrat that I always run, but in a 2 to 1 R to D community it is probably futile. Oh well, it is not as important that we win, but that we continue to fight. Never let them see you run.
“And, until just recently, this has been a time that discarded former modes of conduct between men, women, and children as inconvenient to the presumably greater project of self-actualization.”
all facilitated by the cancer of feminism.
Walter B
Boy, I do not picture you as a Kennedy Democrat.
What in the Democrat dogma do you actually believe in?
Unions? History.
Protect the working class? Not this Democratic Party.
Against the corporate bosses. The biggest change, corporations are all Leftist.
So why aren’t you a Conservative using the 2-1 rating to benefit your community?
Lol John, they’re from AZ. lost in his party rhetoric and his conservative slant reminds me of a joke my father use to tell about what constituted a good Conservative. ” It seems a good conservative (if one exist) goes to church on Sunday to show the community what a good Christian he is, and then steals the collection plate on his way out to pay for his time”. And that’s why I stay away from anything that has anything to do with a conservative, in case it’s catching like the virus with the same effect and no vaccine can cure it.
JohnAZ, I registered as a democrat when I turned 18 in 1972 because I adored John F. Kennedy and his brother Bobby and what they fought for which is what I stand for to this day:
-That we should ask what we can do for our country and not what our country can do for us;
-That government should regulate business, NOT be owned by it;
-That the unholy matrimony of organized crime and government would lead to the destruction of our democracy. (Too late!)
-I also believe in and respect the working human beings in our nation, who have all been cast aside by the wealthy elite that rule us.
After the corruption of the Johnson administration and the incompetence of the Carter administration I switched to independent and often voted third party and libertarian. I voted for Junior Bush to keep Kerry out and that did not work well, did it?
No, Kennedy Democrat it is, and Tulsi Gabbard and I may be the only two in that party. The democrat party today is corrupt and evil, and the republicans are incompetent and useless with a few exceptions like Rand Paul and Ron DeSantis, both of which I admire greatly.
In the end, it’s not about Jackass or Dumbo, it’s about people, character, and morality. I take people one at a time and I do not attend parties.
Oh, and BTW John, I DID go the R route, but our township’s republican county committee manipulates the “magic line” to keep the corrupt politicians they support (and support them $$$), on the top line where single button line voters in the primary keep the crooks in office and the honest people on the sidelines.
Look up ballot manipulation, it’s big in NJ and probably elsewhere as well. I was able to spend 6 years in office with two as mayor and pay down and restructure our debt from $6.1M to $600K. Good thing too, the interest rate on our BAN’s just doubled this year.
WalterB
Wow, I do understand.
The East Coast, IMHO, is eaten up by the Deep State Mob and it’s politics are different than here.
Or least used to be. The open border and California have just about turned Arizona Blue.
WB- I wanted to say “The best of Luck” but this may actually be considered a curse in your situation.
Interesting, that concept of self-actualization. It was once a respected idea that Abraham Maslow promoted forty years ago. His idea is that there are five stages of character development, culminating in that of self-actualization. He meant something entirely different than behavior today. It was almost a spiritual level of being, so that a person could renounce the material and live close to what Christ requested, die to self and live for others.
As an Irish Catholic, JFK was a demi-god to us, another Parnell. I was saddened to learn that the 1965 Immigration Act passed over his desk with his approval.
Shotho: People confuse advanced transpersonal states with pre-personal states because neither of them are personal or egoic.
Four hundred pound people twerking in diapers is a clear case of the latter.
Thank you Hands4u. The funny part is that the corrupt R’s have thrown an honest EMT off of the committee by beating him in the primary with the corrupt lawyer that we threw out when I became mayor. He had been billing us $200K a year for every day legal expenses for years that we were able to contract for a flat rate of $60K for the same services. The county average was $50K.
For those of us that have attended numerous political fund-raising events, it is clear to see that lawyers and legal firms are HUGE contributors to political parties, at least the R’s and the D’s, and we know where they get it from.
As a political candidate I will have the freedom to speak out and expose the corruption without any of the liabilities that a regular citizen has because in politics, there are no rules. Shine the light on the cockroaches and maybe someone will step on them.
“it is not as important that we win, but that we continue to fight. Never let them see you run.”
Walter B., you’re the kind of American that brings a lump to my throat.
I will never be a Christian, not in a million years, but if you called, I would kneel, kiss the Cross, unsheath my sword, and run singing into battle.
My first lesson in politics was from JFK!
(Our teachers weren’t mean, but we did have to sit on the stool in the corner wearing the dunce cap. Some more often than others.)
Teacher called me to her desk, pointed to a picture on it, and said, “do you know who this is?”
I said no. She said, “That is President John F. Kennedy…and do you know what President Kennedy wants you to do?”
I said, “No…”
She said, “President John F. Kennedy…
Wants you to be QUIET!!”
Maslow for Christ, LOL
@Jarek—I’m curious. You say it crushed you that JFK had passed the 1965 Immigration Act. This has me wondering about things that I remember being alive and somewhat sentient (12 years old) in 1963, the year JFK was assassinated.
I recall that bit of work being done by LBJ at the behest of a strong lobbying effort.
Jarek @ 12:16 By 1965, JFK had already gone to his reward and LBJ had won the 1964 election against Nixon. Congressman Emmanuel Cellar (D-NY) spent 40 years trying to get the Immigration Act of 1924 changed. If he were to come back from the dead, i wonder what he would think of his crowning achievement, the Immigration Act of 1965. Under the old rules, there never would have been “The Squad” in Congress.
Yes, I knew that. But I heard that he had privately given his approval to the whole thing. That’s what I meant to say. And of course his brothers championed it and civil rights in general. Ted especially but also Bobby in the short time that he had.
LMFAO!
I see the latest J Crew commercial on TV the other day had two brief shots of fatties in their swimwear. Very brief. Like they wanted to score some woke points as briefly as they could before getting back to the emaciated youngsters.
fat is feminist.
hey, don’t snark the fatties. in 2 years they will be the most beautiful women left alive.
They tell the fatties that it’s good they look that way. To cover up exactly what is making so many Americans lose control over their weight.
P, You’ve condensed it–the argument. The Democrats thought this would be their path to victory in 2022. But, you know that old Grouch Marx saying? “I’d never belong to a club that would have me as a member.” Something like that. Pretty much all of the coverage of the “protestors” is like some kind thing that Barnum and Bailey could only have dreamed of cooking up in the genetic backroom. The bearded woman? The boy with two heads? The snake with human hands? Nothing compares to what is being publicly broadcast to the nation.
See the Democrats.
See the Democrats protest.
See everyone else in the country run from the Democrats–in fear of being squashed.
“She fell on my son. Now he is just so much son paste smeared across the vastness of her enormous body.”
“I would never belong to a club that would have me as a member.”
Millions of decent Democrats are watching this and thinking, “Honey, how do order those change of political party forms?”
Dem fatties makes for lots of bio-diesel for mah tractor.
Good point, white (belly) fat has lots of long chain triglycerides for making biodiesel. Problem is, it runs (as in liquid like) like crazy when cut, making harvesting a chore. 🙂
Liposuction for energy independence!
The throngs of leftist useful idiots are pounding on the doors of morality and right thinking, demanding that we turn over our principles to them, just like they did when they pounded on Lut’s door, demanding Lut turn over the angles of God sent to destroy them.
It didn’t end well for them then.
#FJB
especially the 45 degree angles…
er uhm… Angels… 🙂
Lot offered his own daughters to the perverts of Sodom to protect the angels. The Leftists today do not fear God as they do not believe in His existence. Evil destroys, what goes around, comes around. The real shame is the destruction of this run of evil will probably mean the destruction of the US.
Therein lies the first principle of knowing what a leftist is…
All of their moral authority stems from their being no moral authority to turn to in their belief system, thus they foolishly attempt to fill the void with their own corrupted view of what that should be. It get’s more corrupt the further up the power chain you go.
Well said.
Think right now.
The answer to the R v W decision is the elimination of the SC according to AOC and her gang. So much for respecting the Constitution, the Law of the Land, and the balance of power.
The biggest joke of all is when the Dems claim what they are doing is to preserve democracy. They want one thing only,
Uniparty despotism.
Ah yes… When they speak of “Our democracy,” they really don’t include any party that dissents from their view. Their democracy is threated by our republic. As well it should.
AOC and her coddled ilk are not capable of thinking through anything. They have zero space between stimulus and emotional response, and zero emotional intelligence in their response.
SCOTUS handed all of us a boat load more democracy last week than ever before. The leftists banging on the door don’t understand that the decision made, and subsequently unmade by 5 people, has been given back to the all of the people in America. That’s not so subtle a thought as to escape the average high school student, well back in 1976 anyway.
“Lot offered his own daughters to the perverts of Sodom to protect the angels.”
What a fascinating political subtext.
Angels, “messengers”, were spies.
If only the Christians would stop turning a political chronicle into magic. (I find no deities in the Bible.)
Side note: a “pillar of salt” meant his wife became barren, unable to conceive, just as “holy in the Lord unto his old age” meant a man was still virile, able to father children.
In other words, a nuclear strike by an alien power disgusted by the degeneracy of the cities of plain.
Nothing unbelievable about it, Penelope. It’s pretty standard fare during a time of complete civilizational breakdown.
As “civilizations” near their point of collapse sub-human deviants emerge to express their deepest desires. Wringing our hands doesn’t eliminate them. More drastic measures are in order.
I’m going to switch the dialog to something we can do something about. The collapse of the food supply chain in the USA. In this country we have developed a just-in-time food production system that grows food by mining the Ogallala Aquifer and the diminishing flows of the Colorado River to grow crops on chemical steroids and ship them by truck to cities thousands of miles away where the growing season is on a different cycle. Along comes $10.00 diesel on the world market (Germany and the EU) driven my the insane idea that sanctioning the major supplier will drive Russia into collapse rather than shooting the West in the foot.
Compare the delivery chain of food to that of another place you can move to with little barrier to immigration and about 1/2 the US living cost.
The Mexican coast immediately north of Puerto Vallarta is called the Mexican Riviera, in part from wishful thinking and part from reality. It is by no means a “cheap” area of the country. On this stretch of coastline are four former fishing villages. The southernmost is overrun with international tourists day tripping from the big city 20 miles to the south. The northern most is almost entirely the vacation destination of Mexican tourists arriving by freeway from Guadalajara. Base rent for a modest apartment or house that isn’t on the beach starts at $400-$600 per month. Almost all the food (unless you want gringo specialty items) is grown within an hour’s drive of the town, and often sold by the farmer who raised it.
Which food distribution system will be the most resilient when the SHTF?
In the US our $10 +++ diesel will be driven by decades of sanctions against Venezuela and theft of their international trading capital reserves and gold. . Is it any wonder that they are joining the BRICK alliance and looking to China to provide capital (at a price) to modernize their petroleum industry?
In order to blend diesel from crude you need the heavy tar-like oil that comes from the wells of Venezuela. The watery stuff that fracking squeezes from shale rock is worthless without heavy oil to blend into it. Once upon a time the mouth of the Mississippi was lined with refineries specifically designed to blend and refine Venezuelan crude. Pump diesel was about 3/4 the price of the cheapest grade of gasoline. Now we no longer have the ability to refine sufficient diesel to run our transportation system or access to the world’s fourth largest reserves of the base feed stocks.
Did shooting yourself in the foot hurt? Do it again! Germans and Poles— buy a lot of old wood furniture— you are going to need it to keep warm this winter.
“As “civilizations” near their point of collapse…” ~ ThorsHammer
…they go tribal.
Something you may or may not have overlooked.
The laws of civilization change to the laws of the jungle. Strength in numbers.
Gringo’s will never survive there – never be a member of the tribe – always an outsider. Don’t kid yourself. Mexicans will eat – you won’t.
Outgun the native cartels? Hardly. There’s a very thin veneer of governmental authority there – lots moving under the rug – the cartels run the country – not unlike here, just more efficient, read ruthless.
Now, I could be way off base – by your handle, I figure Northern European descent – if Mexican, ignore the above, you’re good to go.
Just spent a week in Burlington, VT. Local told me that the city is run on 100% renewable energy (logging waste, hydro and wind) and has a “breadbasket” that provides much of the food for pantries and restaurants. The abundance of water, natural resources, wild game, remote parts and geological features made me consider this as one potential geographical solution. Besides the obvious political demographics, I would recommend interior New England for anyone wanting to relocate to weather the storm. Best Wishes!
Although I am certain that it could never be made to happen, to me at least, the most pain, death, and violence free way to deal with this dilemma is for US(A) to break apart into two separate countries. One, where anything goes, nothing really matters, and no one really cares, and the other where those living there adhere to the rules and laws established by those Founding Fathers way back when.
I am growing sick and tired of hearing lines of bullshit such as “it not really a human being”, the Constitution is an outdated rag and needs to be “updated””, and “not only can I do whatever I want to do to my body and force to to accept it and do the same”.
The real danger in replacing God with money and material objects is that those who control the money have the ability to remove it’s value either immediately, or slowly over time which results in the worshippers not only losing their “money” but all the “stuff” they procured and maintained ownership over. “You’ll own nothing and be happy”? Yeah, right, happy that they still let you live. THAT can be corrected at any time, correct Herr Schwab, or is it Slob?
The breaking apart itself will cure much of the stupidity, Walter. It’s the wages of empire run by the satanic globalist cabal in DC that’s making us nuts. Personally, I think it needs to be regional, though. More like 6 or 8, maybe more, but absolutely no less than 4. Democracy withers in direct proportion size.
Dis
At least three, East Coast, West Coast and fly over.
I see your point though, what do you do with Minnesota, or Colorado, or Illinois.
Like India, it may take the dislocation of millions to get real boundaries.
But the real division is between areas that are primarily metropolises and everyone else. City folks are just too damned dependent.
The first two potential rebellions are forming now, Texoma and the Redoubt in the NW.
What will be the reaction of the Deep State to the states forming new countries?
I will tell you one thing, the Red areas have to find a way to stop the Liberals from immigrating into their areas. The mental illness that is Liberalism is very contagious. California has just about destroyed the goodness of the entire West.
That’s why I wonder whether the relative freedom to be found in Florida will last. DeSantis didn’t win by much last time, and Florida is filling up with Californians. They never learn their lesson. Even though they flee from the destruction they’ve caused, as soon as they get somewhere else, they destroy the place they fled to in exactly the same way. They really need a zoo of their own.
It’s the American way of life. Move into an area with cheap or free land, use up or extract the resources, and then move on to another place. Keep moving If the climate turns bad and your farm blows away in a dust storm, pack it all up and move to another promised land, like in the “Grapes of Wrath”.
I learned about the dustbowl in school, of course; but it wasn’t until I saw Ken Burns’ documentary that it sunk in how big of a problem was caused by “we’re from the government, and we’re here to help”.
Stop with this. I am a Californian fleeing to Florida. I haven’t voted for a democrat in 40 years and I guarantee you I won’t be doing it here in Florida. Not to say that it doesn’t happen with tech workers imported into places like Austin but I really doubt that is happening here in Florida.
@priv SK – with all due respect, generally speaking, Californians didn’t stand their ground, and are now fleeing.
That in itself doesn’t sit too well with Floridians – conservatives running scared are still running scared.
When push comes to shove – if you want to stand with us, fine – but don’t plan on coming here and hiding behind us.
~ A 4th generation Floridian, raising the 5th generation
@Ron
With all due respect how do you stand and fight when they cheat, pack the courts and then put in leftist DA’s and refuse to prosecute anyone but Conservatives?
The deck is stacked 100% against Conservatives and more specifically Christian middle-aged white males.
benr – I hear you, I’ve lost faith (hope for others?) in political solutions. The only lasting solutions are kinetic at this point, I think.
I’m playing with the same deck – the exact demographic you describe – but I refuse to fold and don’t even consider that as an option.
“Stand and fight” and “When push comes to shove” – and it’ll get there – I mean in a literal sense, not figuratively.
You’re welcome anytime – come on over and surf here in N. Florida – we’ve got decent waves and we’re not all toothless rednecks, but we don’t stand for too much mental illness induced liberal foolishness either.
Saw a headline today – Newsome considering $17B in stimmy checks to help combat the effects of inflation – WTF is the matter with these people?
What rebellion in Texoma (or the Redoubt in the NW) do you mean? I woke up this morning in Texoma and I did not hear any shooting (or even shouting).
Migration of Wokists from Blue states to Red ones is not the only source of infection. The ideology of the Left is spread by all forms of mass media, the ubiquitous Internet, Hollywood entertainment, and a thoroughly debauched and corrupted educational system.
That’s a LOT of vectors of infection to have to defeat. My own take is that we are all probably doomed to endure the collapse this is ushering in, and yet I also feel strongly that we are all duty bound to resist this manifest evil with every fiber in our bodies.
So…..yeah, I’m for secession and partition, and I have been since at least 1995. I saw the futility of the American project going forward during the Clinton administration and the events of the past 5 years have only served to solidify those views.
The primary source of the “infection” is our school systems. These school systems are both extremely inefficient and costly, requiring vast amounts of energy resources like the fuel and the vehicles for busing/driving students around everywhere. Add to that all the building maintenance costs, climate control, etc. and the system breaks down completely when the resources (tax base) to support it all no longer exists, at least not on the local levels where the funding comes in. It’s all a situation that can be fixed quickly by natural means after the dollar dies. Our educational system will die with it.
Dis —
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Democracy withers in direct proportion size.
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very nice.
The “glue” holding the USA together is the dollar. Once the dollar is no longer accepted as payment for imports, we might just break apart into separate nations or confederations of states because our federal government lost the ability to pay its bills – bankrupt!.
We’ll be forced to “start over” and rebuild our manufacturing facilities. This will require not only skilled managers and engineers but a skilled blue collar workforce. At the moment, at least where I reside, our construction workforce consists mostly of hispanics. Most of us white boyz these days are hanging around indoors doing low paid white collar work or involved in using and selling addictive drugs. Good luck turning all of them into electricians, carpenters, roofers, welders, laborers etc. I used to do residential construction work, a lot of it framing houses, pouring concrete, etc. It’s a job that hurts, sometimes it will literally make you bleed. There’s a bit of my blood stains on every house I helped build. I don’t see the feminized woke crowd being able to do any of this type of work.
Construction jobs used to be union, like meat packing, truck-driving and farm work.
Then they brought in immigrants to work cheap and break the unions.
Then they tell us “Americans won’t do those jobs”.
That is adding insult to injury.
In my opinion, it’s changed from “won’t do” to “can’t do”. New generations of young males have spent nearly all their time locked up in public schools, taught nonsense and no real world skills. Not only that, but their bodies are soft and pudgy unless maybe they are involved in school sponsored sports. Big deal. Joe blow is a big stud in high school pushing a ball around. Put him on a house framing crew in 95 degree heat all day long and see how he does. Or have him pouring, leveling, and finishing concrete for a factory floor. He’ll be as big a clutz with that starting out as the nerds will be. At some time in the future, we’ll be needing factories here to make shoes and boots for example. If it turns out that we “can’t do those jobs” then we might find ourselves going about barefoot or with rags wrapped around our feet until we “can do those jobs.”
@Paula
Not only did they do that, but they enforced the idea that those jobs were not worth doing by lowering the wage to the point people began to believe it.
They hire one journeyman to clean up after several teams of $10 dollar an hour illegals.
Yes, the houses are crap, yes, the framing, plumbing, electrical and drywall is poorly done but hey we still get 800,000. for it so who cares?
I can’t help thinking of ancient Britain after the Romans left. They left all their working infrastructure behind – central heating, indoor plumbing, roads and bridges that could last a thousand years. The early Brits just camped out in what was left until it all fell apart. There were definitely people among them who knew how to keep it all running, but there were not nearly enough of them. I’m afraid something very similar will happen here, and it will look a lot like Antifa’s takeover of part of Seattle.
What did the Romans ever do for us?
Rowdy- Picture people in rags, gazing at the Space Shuttle- on the pad and covered with kudzu.
I, for one, did. I was a taper’s assistant in Alberta. I’m not bragging. I just wanted to correct the record. ‘Course, I’m not woke else I wouldn’t be here writing back which proves no one’s point.
I agree. Interestingly, one of the outcomes of the coming American crackup will be the final realization of the emergence of a Southern nation comprised of most of the states of the Old Confederacy and perhaps a few border states that didn’t quite make it out of this accursed union during the last great falling-out between Americans. Jefferson Davis understood that secession was just a term describing the right of any people to political self-determination. The Yanks may have squashed that right with bayonets in 1861-65, but Davis predicted in his memoirs that the cause of the South (for independence) was bound to reassert itself, but at a later time and in another form. I think that prophesy will soon come to pass.
What will emerge will not be a resurrection of the Old Confederacy and the antebellum Southern aristocracy. But it will be a very conservative and religious nation with strong ties to the history and traditions that have shaped our region since before America’s founding. The influence of the Scots-Irish culture as described in James Webb’s book, “Born Fighting” (2004) will be felt once more as a new chapter is written in the history of North America.
The South, for all of its flaws, is a region with an authentic culture and a true national character. Texas also shares these traits and may tag along with Dixie again, but this time as the leading powerhouse state, rather than Old Virginia which reluctantly and tardily fulfilled that role in the War for Southern Independence.
I also think that the possibility exists that some Midwest and Rocky Mountain states might opt to join the emerging Southern nation in order to maximize the economic and military power of the new Ruby Red Republic for the benefit of all of the Right-leaning states. So what emerges will have a strong Southern accent, but may not ultimately prove to be an exclusively Southern project.
dixie is south of Ohio r and east thru the swamp and east of mississippi r
Texas is land between continental divide, mississippi r north to near Iowa Mn border than roughly NW up into Castreaus nightmare. Zion is land between conti divide and Sierra Cascade crest including L Tahoe and LA and again on up thru Cantankara. Pacifica is north of grapevine crest and all land west of Sierra Cascade crest to coast. Hawaii is just Hawaii again
This will work better than you can imagine because its obvious.
I was a small child in the early 50’s growing up in a small and somewhat hillbilly town in the foothills of the Great Smokies Park. Not many people had air conditioning at home in those days. The movie theatres and beer joints downtown did, and maybe the buses. I walked or rode my bike to a small local elementary school, and all our classes had for cooling was open windows and a big fan on a pedestal up front. The long emergency here in the south might include unreliable, too expensive, or rationed electricity. Periods here in southern heat and humidity with no ac will separate the men from the boys. If the new breed of southerner can’t take the heat as our ancestors could, well, they need to get out of the kitchen uh I mean the state.
Exactly Woodchuck. A lot of today’s “southerners” are only there because of air conditioning.
A million or so Hindus and Muslims died in the ethnic violence involved in the breakup of India.
Millions of Germans died in the ethnic violence against them by the Slavs after the outbreak of “peace”. No one gave a fuck. Just Germans.
If the lives of the unborn don’t matter, maybe nobody’s does. I saw a picture of one pregnant animal with “Not yet fully human” written on her exposed belly. Is she fully human? God help us if so. So what does that portend for her? And by extension, for you and for me?
Dis
I agree that regional solidarity is the fundamental principle of rebuilding upon the Dis-United Former USA. But the second bedrock principle is that none of the new nation/states have the ability to ever aspire to becoming and Empire and dominating the rest of the world like the current failed Republic.
The New Order will also need city/states to provide refuge for incorrigible deviants. I propose that San Francisco be re-named the Principality of Buttfuck. If adoption, procreation, and slavery were also punishable by death the demographic problem would soon take care of itself. Imagine returning to beautiful SF as if it had been struck by a neutron bomb and completely de-populated.
I couldn’t agree more with your entire comment. What we are seeing is what happens to our country that abandons God. Abandons Jesus. And it happened on my generations watch.
The most selfish / self centered Self-will-run-riot / most socially destructive generation known to American history. That generation is called the Baby-Boomers.
How I despise my own generation with a spiritual passion and how I wish I would’ve been born during my grandfathers generation or at least, my fathers generation.
you’re here for this war, chosen, if you please. accept that, find inner peace while the tempest tosses us. you are not alone.
@ justanotherguy:
That’s what I think. You were born in this age because you have a calling in this age.
Beauty. Perfect. Poetry.
“That’s what I think. You were born in this age because you have a calling in this age.”
A perfect pearl, a scintillating jewel.
Forgive me, I am overcome, and every day I awaken grateful for this time- I could not have known what I’ve learned in any other.
More simply put, for the war, I could’ve been digging cowsh*t in Louisiana
MontanaMan, I’ve wished that most of my life. My fellow Boomers deliberately wrecked one of the best experiences of human life that had ever been on that planet. If they’d left it alone, it would only have gotten better. They wanted “if it feels good, do it” – one of the most idiotic statements ever made by spoiled, ungrateful, feral humans.
I wouldn’t mind seeing a break-up, but the trouble is, where would you draw the lines? There are good, sane, patriotic God-fearing people in places like California, Oregon, and New York, just as there are radical nut jobs in the most conservative parts of the country. What we’re experiencing is a political version of cancer. I don’t think amputation would work.
remember how the pakis and indians separated in 1947? coming to a continent near you slowly at first, like now, then a flood.
“I don’t think amputation would work.:
Zeke,
Of course it would silly!
Worked in Bosnia
Worked in Pakistan
Worked in the Levant
It would certainly work in the United States…work like a motherfucker….
It would be interesting. The alignments that would emerge are very indicative of what is happening now. The East Coast contingent would align with Europe and continue allegiance with the WEF. Most of DC’s agenda right now follows this allegiance. The flyover, with a few exceptions, will follow their conservative lead with little allegiance other than the installation of patriotic American ideals. The West Coast might just join with BC to ally with China. Maybe Alaska too.
Hawaii will declare its independence.
And where will independent Hawaii get its petroleum? For that matter, where will the East Coast contingent gets its petroleum and food? The East Coast with its massive cities greatly exceeds its carrying capacity. The seven million people in NYC cannot all start gardens. The East Coast I posit cannot live without the Midwest. The East Coast might want to buy what the Midwest grows, but what does it have to trade of value? Stocks and bonds? LOL.
I haven’t seen or researched the numbers, but my guess is the West Coast might make a go of it if they got rid of half of the useless population that will simply not adjust to an agrarian lifestyle without hair gel, skin toner, and plastic surgery. SoCal hasn’t got its own water. does it? Oregon and Washington and NoCal might not feel like diverting their water to LA/SanDiego. The Colorado is nearly bone dry already, and CO and AZ aren’t likely to feel like saving any for SD county. Without the defense industry, what does SoCal have to export? Tasty waves? Let them drink out of the Salton Sea.
As JHK envisioned long ago, everything is going to change for everyone. Being 67, I didn’t think I would live to see it, but this years has me thinking I just might.
There have been several intriguing models for the US corp balkanization, from those a Russian scholar (forgot his name), to Chittum’s CW2 book, to various others. Most have the following new countries: NE, South (east and mid west), left coast, midwest, etc. Since you’re from AZ, I’m wonder what you think of the model of Atzland, where the radical hispanics take west Tx, all of AZ and NM, and parts of Colo., and Cali. I’d be concerned if I lived there depending upon who runs the Atzland movement.
I’m not sure how far inland you’d consider as the East Coast. I can say with certainty that Maine, Pennsylvania, and New York state are strongly red everywhere except the immediate coastline and cities. That takes in a lot of territory, and plenty of productive farmland. I see the divide as being entirely between rural and city, which makes any kind of division not practicable.
All good points. The interdependence will not cancel out the hatred, IMHO. CW1 was an indicator, the South was dependent on the North for manufactured goods. They seceded anyway.
Again IMHO, I think the US is just too big for one group of people to govern.
Neurodoc
Interesting your statement about the SW.
Aztland, your description, almost fits the Mexican Cession that Santa Ana sold the US. La Raza, a Latinogroup, has as one of their goals the re acquisition of the Mexican Cession.
I wonder Neurodoc, if Arizona goes back to Mexico, I will not even have to relocate.
AZ:
Good idea; very convenient way to expat without expating.
🙂
A kindly note, it’s “Aztlan”, a mythic rebirth of the Aztec Empire.
They called themselves the “Mexica”- thus the country’s name- Aztec was a name given by Spaniards, I think.
Mythic, because the Aztecs couldn’t expand north, due to the primitiveness and savagery of the Yaqui Indios. Most northern Mexicans are Yaqui, the short brown people, thus Mexican class racism between the lighter mestizo caustizos and their poor brown “trash” they happily dump over our border. My neighbors are Yaqui farmers from the desert mountains of Sonora.
Plus, I think Hawaii will go back to being a Japanese protectorate, since it’s 3/5ths Japanese now. The native Hawaiians are about 1/6th.
Nice breakdown, John AZ, I would agree.
Now for something totally cool:
Mel Gibson’s brilliant “Apocalypto”.
The entire movie was to explain one small passage in a Spanish log.
Remember the little leper girl possessed by the chacutl, the old gods, who prophesied “you will see the coming of the end of your world,”
the Fifth Sun that arrived with Hernando Cortes’s galleons?
Well, in their log, they wrote that they were met by three natives on the beach; two stayed, but one ran away.
The entire movie was to explain the one that ran away. Is that cool or what?
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(Plus, there’s a scene- lasting only a second- where the head warrior looks up at the throne. His bone jaw necklace and matted hair perfectly capture the Aztlan warrior’s resplendent feathers in the popular depiction of Aztlan.)
Yes Zekesdad – a cancer – no need for amputation. Cancer is treated by targeted removal. If one had a tumor in their hand, they certainly wouldn’t cut off their arm – just rid the cancer.
The diseased cell that threatens to sicken the whole is removed. There’s chemotherapy for that; and ammotherapy for removing other diseased elements that erode the health of the whole.
Remove or quarantine the sick. Problem solveth. Next.
The one problem or parturition is one of the sides would be comprised of gimmes, who will be attacking the independents in short order. The gimme leaders have the nukes.
They won’t have you just as we wouldn’t have the Loyalists after the American Revolution. And if we have any sense, we won’t have them either.
That’s how human life works. Somehow we thought such times would never come to us. They will. We didn’t stop the cancer in time. Now we need to operate.
I think the lines will draw themselves in the midst of national chaos and crisis. As in 1861, the process will leave partisans of each side stranded behind enemy lines, as happened to both Southern Unionists and Northern Copperheads and Border State secessionists.
Had the South won the war in the 1860’s I have no doubt that there would have been a good deal of immediate post-war mass migration of folks not willing to live in the wrong country that no longer held their allegiance.
It will be the same today. If partition occurs, millions will leave blue cities trapped deep within the emergent Ruby Red Republic (RRR) to decamp to the New England and Pacifica Communist enclaves on the East and West coasts. Likewise, rural conservatives in those areas will seek to break away and join thei counties to the RRR. Failing that, they will pull up stakes and flee before they can be rounded up and hauled off to the Blue State gulags.
I generally agree with you. However, what do we do with people who are stuck living somewhere due to employment, family, or similar reasons? I fucking detest the shrieking hag who’s governor of New York and the single party that runs this state, but I’m stuck here because of my job, my wife’s job, and my wife’s family. Moving across the state line would mean we’d become Pennsyltucky ridge runners, who at least are closer to my ideology than Rochester gang bangers or Manhattan swells. Hopefully this can be worked out in such a way that people don’t lose their asses or their minds.
Bob,
It presents a problem, 8 states in the Northeast. 7 run by the same party, the 8th barely hanging on to being a free state.
Stuck, with ability to move decreasing daily. The real estate market lacks price discovery, everything looks overpriced.
With rising interest rates what one qualifies for as a buyer purchases much less house now than a year ago, and much less than a couple of years ago..
I think it breaks at some point. ‘Some point’ always seems out of reach.
I though it should have been allowed to crash in ’08. Instead the can got kicked further down the road.
The people operating this shitshow will never take steps to correct the errors, they have too much to lose. Many thought the same during the French Revolution. They didn’t realize what they could really lose until it was too late.
All states are corrupt, some just more than others.
NGT – read a comment recently – can’t remember where, but it resonated. “Where you (we) live this fall is where you (we) will live the rest of your life.” Seemed clear & true, all at once.
Probably see the end of organized internal US migration very soon. Point being – move to a more palatable, sustainable place soon or stay and ride it out, come what may.
Ron,
yes, agree, it was stated, can’t recall exactly where.
I’m stuck here for a number of reasons, some similar to Bob.
I’ve had to make plans to ride it out.
One must play the hand they are dealt. This is a reality of life. The choices start as the cards are viewed. I’m figuring moving to a small rural area with farming in the mix was the best I could do with what I was dealt, thus making the most of it.
Wishing is wishing, it takes too much time and energy away from making the best plans possible, knowing some unforeseen twists (Murphy’s Law) are already baked in the cake.
Acquiring skills which do not rely on high tech, such as being able to use tools to make and repair stuff. Being able to look at parts and reverse engineer them in my head to figure out how they come apart and go back together takes up a portion of my time on an almost daily basis. It has become a way of living.
All the while knowing Murphy is always along for the ride.
“It has become a way of living.” ~ NGT
Excellent! Not a way of thinking – a way of living. You’ll do fine.
A divorce is the only solution. Anyone who thinks we can still “reach across the aisle” to these maniacs is deluded.
Though there is no reaching across the aisle (which is like goalposts being constantly moved), what a divorce would look like needs a much better definition.
The Constitution could use a few new amendments, term limitations, mandatory retirement for all public officials elected or appointed at 65, 65% vote to pass a bill instead of 51%, 95% of congress would have to be physically seated before the congress could be called into session.
This would at least become a good starting point for the changes that need to be done.
Amendments to the Constitution need to be considered with care.
Adding might not be a good idea.
The 18th Amendment ushered in Prohibition.
The 21st voided the 18th.
Not many people think Prohibition was a good idea. However, at the time it seemed like a great idea.
I think a better idea is void the 17th Amendment, putting the Senate back in the hands of the individual state legislatures. The composition of the Senate would undergo a significant change, bringing it back to the status envisioned by the Founders.
You could very well see the 65% threshold reached by composition alone.
The Congress might then have a chance at term limits by legislating them.
The Congress could also pass legislation removing all the exemptions they have regarding the laws they pass.
Pass legislation forbidding insider trading with hefty fines exceeding any monetary gain.
Except for amending to reverse the 17th Amendment, everything else could be accomplished by the legislative process. Requiring the rules committees in the House and Senate to act in a certain manner shouldn’t need Amendments, which is a slippery slope.
Some people are in favor of a Constitutional Convention. That’s a ‘be careful what you wish for’ idea. Everything would be on the table. Everything.
The last time it was tried, it started out as ‘fix the Articles of Confederation’. It turned into a coup of sorts, but the people got a Constitutional Republic (it’s not a democracy).
The states need to take more proactive stances under the 10th Amendment, which might require groups of states filing legal challenges to limit Federal over-reach. Sort of ‘putting them back in their place’ as a small part of the Executive branch designed to facilitate inter-state commerce and make provisions for the common defense of the country without a bunch of 3-letter agencies getting in the way.
Not- Not. A convention of states could be held and restricted to only two items- term limits and repeal of the 17th Amendment
Mac,
I’ll need to look it up, figuring you see my view i don’t want open season on the rights of the people under the present system
Mac,
After looking it up, here’s what I found:
to propose amendments to this Constitution:
either
two thirds of both houses
or
two thirds of the state legislatures can call for a convention to propose amendments
ratification requires:
either
three fourths of the legislatures
or
by conventions in three fourths of the states
what is not so clear is:
“ as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress”
I could not find language limiting a convention to specific topics. Where is the wording to support limiting a convention to specific topics?
Through the years the amendment route has been two thirds of both houses, then sending it to the state legislatures and waiting through the process for three fourths of them to ratify the amendment.
My fear is a convention free-for-all where the painstakingly crafted document we currently have is shredded into an unrecognizable set of rules going down path to tyranny.
The original intent of the convention which set up the Constitutional Republic was to fix the Article of Confederation. They scrapped the whole thing and started fresh. I referred to it as a coup, which it was. It seems the fix was so unworkable they needed a fresh start. Why could this not happen again, with the fix heading in a different direction?
It is not a simple process. The more I’ve looked into the document, the more fascinating it becomes due in part to the nuances of language.
The current method most commonly used sets the bar rather high, but not impossibly high, to make changes.
Thanks, I like doing research such as this.
Representative districts limited to 30,000, drawn by county line (no gerrymandering as done since 1820.)
The interests of 10,000 Representatives in the House would necessitate repeal of the 17th, giving the sovereign States back their power and preventing the Uniparty.
And, of course, break up DC; eliminate FDR’s socialist Agencies or give then mere branch headquarters in distributed cities in Flyover.
NH has 1 legislator per 3,000, one reason the Free State Movement chose it as the best choice among the states.
Knocking it back to a county-based system is worth a serious look. The smaller the number the representative represents, the more the control rests in the people.
making it (Congress) a part-time job forces the representative to live with what they enact. it also puts them in a position for real-time feedback from constituents most of the year.
Walter
Do you know the comedy “Idiocracy” (Ethan Cohen, 2006)? It was funny right up until 20 Jan 2017 when it became a documentary.
The situation you describe above is a direct reflection of the dystopian world predicted in “The Handmaid’s Tale” (Margaret Atwood, 1985).
It’s quite amusing to read all these posts (above) slamming “Leftists”, yet describing someone I, a professed ‘leftist’, most certainly am not.
Your religious types need to categorize and stereotype anyone not in agreement with you as basically immoral, amoral, or demonic/evil/possessed, and all crazy (of course).
Sorry…this is just another indicator of how wrong you all are about the real world.
Redneck- Just curious. Do you consider the RvW decision, which merely diminishes the Supreme Court’s power and increases the people’s power to be a bad thing?
… and the LGBTQ… crowd can twerk themselves into the back room parlors & underground suck sessions they once inhabited.
nicely put!
The LCBO (Liquor Control Board of Ontario) is now asking customers to donate to Pride. When I guffawed in its face, the cashier indignantly informed me that the campaign was supported by Women’s College Hospital. I wonder how many of its doctors are performing sex-change operations or jabbing what was once the “fairer” sex.
Just when JHK treats us to a delectable sight of freedom from the klaus schwabs of the world, he throws up a barbed wire fence before it, reminding us of the limbs dangling off it. He goes on to life our spirits with a future where children will continue be human which begs the question: Has JHK read, “The Psychology of Totalitarianism” by Mattias Desmet, yet? I think not.
Think again. JHK has a pretty good memory, so my guess is he’s pretty familiar with Mattias Desmet since he did a podcast interview with him 8 days ago.
JHK wouldn’t need a “pretty good memory” as you put it as the book has only recently been published. I was challenging his thought that children will continue the human race. If memory serves, I don’t think they talked about that on the podcast.
Children are required to carry on the human project.
Is it worth to continue that project?
Unnatural question. Like so many things these days.
children are barely a choice – ask any feminist.
Why should I? She’s got a grim joke around her neck.
tried to parse that, but still not there. what do you mean?
She’s the architect of her own fate a few years down the road. CHILDLESS and so on…
by her tone, i’d guess that ‘down the road’ moment is already in the rearview… thx.
yes and no. but mostly yes. have hope. Good will win vs. Evil.
Peter M, Sounds like you have been reading Emil Cioran…antinatalist. We are headed in that direction. Musk has said that declining birth rates have him worried. Others say the elites work toward that goal with vaxes, policies, corporatism, etc.
Personally, I have come to the conclusion that the universe cares little whether life on earth continues or not. It is logical to assume that there are tens of thousands of planets capable of supporting life and on a long enough timeline we know what will happen to each. Our entire written history is….what five thousand years? Not much in eternity. Enjoy it while you’re here. Time is short.
It’s an excellent question.
It is rather narcissistic to believe that our species is that special.
There are only 8 billion of us because of fossil fuel use.
When that goes, we go.
I couldn’t agree more…do you want to DO something about that…or not?
Me? What can I do?
Anyway, our ruling overlords are already on the case.
Regarding needing those kids:
As a young guy growing up–until I was 60–I didn’t really think a lot about abortion, as I made sure that it never affected me; i.e., I never got anyone pregnant–by very deliberate and careful planning. And I wasn’t that opposed to abortion, as I thought of it; i.e., more or less the “clump of cells” thing.
But, of course, “Here. Take this inch…”
Then we have the predictable response by the child mind of the average Democrat, and soon we have doctors inserting chainsaws into vaginas to hack the limbs off of the nine-month old before that sucker squeezes out–which would then require was is commonly referred to as murder.
Now I am fully pro-life. Some exceptions; the usual ones that are proposed.
No more inches, Democrats. We’re gonna put you all back in your high chairs, and we’ll let you down when you grow up.
they really are utter brat children aren’t they? i mean the ones in power. but all you other Dems supporting them – why? haven’t you seen enough? we need a new party for sure but let’s be honest…it’s the Dems that utterly destroying EVERY institution in America. please stop trusting them y’all.
Mental illness stems from youth. Bogus parenting and the breakdown of the family is causing a progressive generation to generation deterioration of the mental condition of the young adults produced. No wonder it seems that our society is nuts.
It is!
BTW, is it possible that the last thread of sanity and competence, the Supreme Court, is a weapon of God to try to reset the ledger. No wonder the Satanic crowd want to destroy it.
Just like they destroyed Trump.
Exhibit A: the 50 year old man-child who fronts something called Green Day. I’m not sure what’s more pathetic: his stupid political opinions or his desperate attempt to look like a teenager.
I support abortion that is legal and safe and restricted to no longer than 14 weeks and girls under 18 have to have the parent’s permission. I wish every child who was conceived was wanted and would come into the world loved, protected and cared for. But the reality is, that’s not the case. What happened in Romania 20 years ago when abortion was outlawed should be a warning to us that children who are unwanted and placed in overcrowded orphanages die in misery. There’s no answer to this that will make everyone happy — I wish we lived in a world that could care for all children but we don’t.
yes, this is not a purely black and white issue as there are marginal concerns. but clearly the guiding principle of “abortion as birth control” is utter nonsense that should not be protected in any way. plenty of ways to prevent pregnancy. sex for pure convenient fun is not a basic human need. ru-486 is available. make that easily offered. it’s almost like the Party of Chaos and its adherents truly genuinely love the idea of brutally snuffing out life. it’s almost like they get power (think: Moloch dark energy shit) from it.
Lazy, irresponsible adults create unwanted children. Murdering those children for the convenience of those folks is unacceptable in a decent society.
Oops, that might explain things.
While watching news of the Roe riots, I wonder what would happen if you set up a booth at one of these gatherings and proceeded to slaughter a lamb right there in public? My guess is that the attendees would want the cops to arrest you for animal cruelty.
Seems kind of ironic.
I hunted as a child. At university while pursuing an animal science degree, we had to slaughter a pig, a sheep, and a cow and butcher them for a meats class. Pulling a trigger is vastly different from sticking a big knife in a stunned but living pig to sever the aorta and watch the blood gush out. You’re surprised at how easy the knife enters the flesh.
If we all had to slaughter our own meat, there would be a lot more vegetarians and I suspect fewer abortion supporters.
HR
“If we all had to slaughter our own meat, there would be a lot more vegetarians and I suspect fewer abortion supporters.”
Perhaps you are correct in the assertion. I’m not sure.
Hunters manage what they harvest. If we go more in the direction of small communities growing their own food, raising livestock and birds for consumption will require either skills at home or an increase in butcher shops.
Then again, some might choose to grow crops and forego meat.
I’ve taken the view many people don’t understand the idea of stopping a beating heart.
They don’t hunt and have no idea what the massive slaughterhouses do in an assembly line model of efficient mass slaughter to send product to the supermarkets.
So, in this light, you might well have a point.
Do you think that lazy, irresponsible adults, having created unwanted children, will give them (the children) their best opportunity in life?
@ SW;
In the US, adoptive parents wait YEARS for a baby to become available. There are also many, many couples who want to adopt. Finding couple who want an “unwanted” child is not an issue here.
It is a problem if the couple wants a child whose mother hasn’t used drugs or been drinking and they can know the health history of the parents. That’s one reason couples were going to China to adopt unwanted (surplus) girls — mothers were drug free.
Yes, children differ in quality. Pure with blonde hair? You’ll wait many, many years for those – so few now.
Your egalitarianism is a fail at this level of existence, Anthea. Yes, everything is God – but that includes concrete. Yes all living things have souls, but that includes cockroaches and trees.
Discriminate!
I wonder Jarek, maybe with restricted abortion, there might be more of those pure blonde babies to adopt.
Force unwilling women into producing babies for more worthy people?
I know two women who were against abortion enough to give their unwanted babies up for adoption.
The next time they got pregnant they had abortions.
One was 16 the first time and her Catholic mother was the one that insisted she produce that baby and give it away.
It was her mother who drove her to the abortion clinic the next time.
The cavalier attitude of people who look at women as production units for the more worthy is unseemly.
So we should just outsource the job to immigrants. What a peach you are!
Feminism is a cancer. Having babies is what women are meant to do or the nation dies. If everyone adopts this, then humanity will die.
Did I say all women are meant to do? No. If some refuse, Ok. Just more burden on the rest. We need a cult of Motherhood. We need a culture that makes motherhood fabulous. Women will respond to that. They are shame based, not guilt based. Or to put it positively, totally into the likes, into being respectable or what is now called “cool”.
@ Paula D:
You seem to view pregnancy as some kind of unforeseen event that goes around randomly striking women like a bolt out of the blue. Actually, pregnancy is the result of definite choices: the choice to be sexually active, and the choice to do so without using contraception.
Outlawing abortion does not “force unwilling women to produce babies.” If a woman has decided to engage in procreative activity, she has decided that she is willing to get pregnant. (I think we all know where babies come from.) If she engages in procreative activity without using contraception, she has decided that she WILL get pregnant.
These are decisions, not something that just “happens” to you, and killing innocent people because they inconvenience you is a good deal worse than “unseemly.”
Yeah, right, Anthea. “Just don’t have sex”.
How’s that working out? We’re close to 8 billion people, or haven’t you heard?
“Just don’t have sex” is the Stupidest Advice Ever.
You are 100% correct. While in med school, my wife worked in social work adoptions, facilitating such and evaluating parents. There are literally hundreds of potential parents in line for a child at the high quality centers. Latter, we socially met at least a half dozen (no kidding) well off couples who had gone to ukraine and other euro backwaters to, I guess, buy a child. Adoption is wide open with potential; Despite being luke warm to early, 1st trimester abortions under some medical circumstances, I see adoption as the best opportunity for a decent society.
As I said, neurodoc, giving a baby up for adoption is so traumatic that I knew two hardline anti-abortion women who decided that aborting an embryo was better than handing over a baby to those deemed more worthy, once they did that one time.
In other words, “If I can’t have it, nobody’s gonna have it”. Their Christianity was a fraud.
I’ve only known two women who had more than one unwanted pregnancy. One of them was my co-worker, back in the 70s. She had three abortions in less than a year’s time. She knew that she could not take “the pill,” but was sexually active anyway. She was also batshit crazy and probably should have been placed in some kind of protective custody. The other woman had a son that she kept and became pregnant again a couple of years later. She gave the second child up for adoption. This woman lived next door to me in my apartment building. I think she was probably just very lonely, since she seemed to have no friends or family.
I’ve only known one other woman who gave her baby up for adoption. People who were close to her told me that she always became depressed every year on the child’s birthday.
Sometimes we have sorrows in life. Avoiding sorrow is not a good reason to kill your baby. Plenty of people cause us sorrows or burdens, but we generally concede that we do not have the right to kill them. There are also plenty of “unwanted” people around. I’ve know quite a few “unwanted” people, but I have always managed to avoid killing them, even though it would have saved me a lot of aggravation if I could have gotten away with it. (Most of them did die, but I had nothing to do with it.)
That’s right…didn’t Amy Coney Barrett reference the ‘shortage of infants’? How quaint…
SW, I’m on board. No solution. As a teacher for decades in inner city schools, I’ve spent 90% of my time dealing with those unwanted kids.
Nothing we’ve tried has worked. So, let’s try this solution offered by the Supreme Court. Can it get worse? The decision doesn’t really change things that much, other than the public perception. Maybe some percentage of guys and gals who casually fuck their way into the parent trap might think about it…a little?
Probably not.
We’ll know in a couple years…
Once you’ve seen the results of unwanted kids it’s hard not to understand there are some people at some times in their lives, who really don’t need to have a baby. It’s a terrible situation & ultimately it does come down to the man & woman having sex taking responsibility for the conception of a child. But I don’t think that will happen & so here we are.
So the anti-choice people think it’s better for people too irresponsible to use birth control to be forced into being responsible for a child for 18 years.
The logic fails me.
Paula D; very interesting perspective. My wife as an adoptions SW basically dealt with scared young women and girls who had not chance of being able to care for a baby and probably not themselves. Older women, I don’t know. But, something to think about. Nothing is black and white, its all degrees of grey.
We need to encourage responsibility. Make it so if one chooses abortion rather than one of many prophylactic measures, then Fallopian tubes will be tied as well. Same for ADC. Everybody gets one mistake. And what about District attorneys going after the baby daddys for child support? No support no driver’s license.
Too many people have had the consequences of bad choices removed and so now they think that they should be immune from any consequences.
The culture of abortion has been a significant contribution to the moral collapse of American society.
ADC?
No more acronyms! Hereby let it be resolved.
Nah. There’s always a place for a TLA.
rm, you might give a thought to how fathers fare in a divorce before talking about alimony / child support with a blank check.
divorce court rape is the rule, not the exception.
“Make it so if one chooses abortion rather than one of many prophylactic measures, then Fallopian tubes will be tied as well.”
Really? Does that include vasectomies for the “fathers”, who are 50% responsible?
Would you really condemn a teenager raped by her perv stepdad to raising a rape baby, or never being able to have a wanted child of her own?
i agree with your criticism – this is a terrible issue to try and pop out “solutions” off the cuff.
nobody has an answer that can be imposed from above it think, because all of it is a problem at the personal, moral level first.
the case you mention is a hard edge case where law might be concerned.
i’ve read many top tier legal minds repeat that hard cases make bad law. in this matter, every case is arguably a hard case. coercive law has been tried and has not worked.
the matter is being pushed more toward individuals responsibility, which cannot be perfect, but it is not worse.
IMHO
Yeah…these increasingly strident calls for State Control over almost all aspects of the female reproductive process is NOT a shining example of ‘small government’ and ‘individual freedoms’, huh.
As I understand it, several of the States with ‘trigger laws’ being put into enforcement now or soon, include prosecution if someone goes out of state to get an abortion. Going home again could (actually, will probably) land you in jail.
The hypocrisy is galling.
SW- I’m sure full orphanages in Romania is more complex than the absence of abortion. Where would we be without a paid foster care system? You cannot justify abortion based on whether or not a child is wanted. However you want to parse it, you still don’t consider the unborn human beings. Think a little more deeply. You’re almost there.
Up until a few years ago, my position on abortion–even though I personally believed that it was wrong–was that the government should just stay out of it. I should also confess that, in my youth (twenties), I was pro-abortion, because “everybody said so,” and I was at an age where you wanted to be trendy.
What changed my mind, so that I came around to a firm anti-abortion stance, was some long discussions on Facebook with friends who were anti-abortion, back when Trump was running for president. These discussions forced me to really think it through, and I had never done this before.
to be younger and thoughtful was and is a tough row.
for myself, i always had the deep conviction that abortion is wrong. understanding deeply what a tough issue this is, i resolved that it was an issue better left between individuals and God – gov’t involvement of any kind would guaranteed make it worse.
in the intervening years, i’ve come to understand that it is just as destructive for this to be a social issue. it has been used, along with many other postmodern ideas, to move then entire world’s overton window.
its like two competing tasks – keep it out of the hands of government, but also keep it out of the hands of the manipulating social engineers.
the only solution is moral, where we finally agree widely and can enforce socially that there are plenty of means available to virtually eliminate the need for abortion.
but that is imperfect, because humans are human, and actions cannot be separated from consequences.
the worst of it is, the social engineers (think fabian socialists) won’t leave this alone because as a divisive issue, it can be a tool for them to hammer the world into their image.
those are the people that we must condemn, while decency insists that abortion remain condemned on moral grounds.
this will never be a simple issue – 150 years ago, it was out of the spotlight, and should return to being a private matter of individual responsibility. i don’t think any better is possible.
Professor Peter Kreeft of Boston College fought all semester with two girls who refused to accept it was murder. One of them came up to him after the semester and said they now accept it is murder – but that they support abortion now more than ever.
Given the abysmal moral state of America, maybe compromise is necessary, at least until separation or collapse: Fifteen weeks.
can’t imagine how any non-sociopathic mind can square that circle.
Must be a psychopath and a not a sociopath. The former is one with traits of non remorse, lack of empathy, compulsive lying and manipulativeness. The latter is a DSM5 diagnosis involving inability to follow the law and a childhood history of animal abuse, etc. There are many so called ‘socially adept psychopaths’ out there and in politics and not in jail. FYI
thanks for the clarification.
i avoiding using the term psychopath because the term has suffered overuse inflation, and these days superlatives seem to have lost their meaning.
that way of thinking is familiar, as much as it can be, but just alien to me. thinking from that pov seems too close to being infected by it.
throw their words back at them – some ‘common sense’ abortion laws to go along with their (not) common sense gun laws.
and for the sake of consistency, don’t mean a word you say.
“For the sake of consistency, don’t mean a word you say.”
That’s brilliant on multiple levels.
purely accidental sir, but thank you.
watta kuul handle. looking up “laging” now.
Hear Hear! and look what Colorado did. They made abortion fully legal all the way up to right before the baby is born!!! I was going to say what Doctor worth his “Hippocratic—Oath, FIRST DO NO HARM.”
Would actually go along with this, and kill a 9 month old baby? Good luck finding a doctor to perform such an evil act, even inside the State of Colorado. I was going to say that.
Then it hit me again I don’t live in an age of honest good doctors anymore. Especially not since the slant eyed Covid virus popped up like a piece of toast on us all.
Now they will lie their ass off and go along with anything the CDC says. Not all of them of course but far far too many will.
Sounds like infanticide. Any Doc involved in that would have to be a souless, hard-hearted sonofabitch.
back in the 1990s I was turning radio dial and heard of this and the ‘doc’ in boulder.
The Boulder Colorado town council had a dinner in his honor, for his courage to do this.
I AM NOT KIDDING. Bill Cinton lied about it etc.
read ‘Obama Nation’ book.
UR
Being 67, I didn’t think I would live to see it, You were too cornucopian.
I’m pretty sure that the late term abortions were only for unviable fetuses. Now that we have ultrasound they can be detected before birth.
My friend was told that the fetus she was carrying was unviable because it had no brain, so she was offered the choice.
She chose to carry to term so that the baby could be an organ donor for a baby born with heart or liver problems,
The baby died inutero anyway, but she did have that choice.
I understand that there are lunatics who think that perfectly viable fetuses can be aborted up to term, but I do not think that is what the Colorado law stated.
I had another friend who had a baby with a heart defect that was unfixable by surgery.
The baby lived for a month after birth. She got very attached to her, and then had to watch her die.
That is the kind of choice women have to make. (That one was not found inutero, it was found after birth, so she didn’t really make the choice).
Paula, New York’s law provided for abortion for any reason up to birth.
For some reason, when I try to talk about late term abortion under Roe v. Wade, people keep trying to conflate it with what some rogue MALE governors did in two or three states.
Late term abortions are only performed legally under extreme circumstances. I’d hate to be the mother faced with this trauma who also had to see all the bashing of women by the ignorant.
Years ago, there was a case where a child was born with terrible deformities. This was after Roe v. Wade, so obviously the parents wanted the child.
The baby would need emergency surgery to take nutrition. Then the child would live, probably in pain, until one of its (I don’t remember the sex) serious medical conditions killed it.
The parents sought advice from clergy and doctors as to what to do next.
Then a Right To Life attorney from Albany stepped in and tried to get legal custody of the child. I was horrified.
People do not understand the realities of life. Sometimes it isn’t pretty.
I agree that abortion of a viable full term baby should be illegal.
It almost makes you wonder if New York was trying to get people to recoil in horror from all abortion.
Personally I just roll my eyes at people who believe that a developing embryo before 12 weeks has body parts that evil doctors use, or looks like a human, or is capable of living outside the womb. That just shows their complete ignorance of fetal development.
I also have no truck with people who look at babies as a punishment for sex, and want to punish ”irresponsible” women by forcing them into childbirth and baby care.
I know too many irresponsible women who should in no way be entrusted with the care of a child.
I know 2 women who have had 18 babies between them, because their little feeble brains have been washed by the anti-abortion propaganda. Then they get the babies taken away from them, because they are unfit to raise children, and then they go make another one.
People who don’t live in the real world are annoying.
everything you’ve related is no doubt true. but it also looks like the worst case every time.
i can, from personal experience, relate a true story of the opposite of all your examples that has worked out well. i’m not going bother here because those stories are personal, anecdotal, and since there is really no accountability here on a blog post, perceived as doubtful.
none the less, paying more attention to and replicating the things that work (best case) would almost certainly be preferable to divisive, coercive laws any way.
there’s a saying in law – tough cases make bad law. its probably one reason this entire abortion matter has gone so far off the tracks.
I’ve met younger doctors who can’t even tall you what the Hippocratic Oath is about, much less recite it’s basic premise of ‘do no harm.’ (even tho they went thru the motions at the end of med school)/
Idiocracy medicine is real. So is fascist medicine.
You are so right. I’ve told my children when you find a doctor you trust , hang on to them no matter what. I was a nurse for many years & have watched with horror what’s being turned loose on the trusting public — doctors & nurses. You could probably fill a book with true stories and it’s opened my eyes to the reality behind the white coats & scrubs. The public is fed nonsense with medical “dramas” and encouraged to engage in hero worship of fraud doctors like Fauci & attack sane ones like Scott Atlas during the pandemic. “First do no harm” is now a cliche right up there with “have a nice day.”
HowardBeale, I used to think exactly the same way. I was in favor of legal abortion because I genuinely believed that it would be done only very early in pregnancy and only in cases of dire need. After all, we’ve had very reliable birth control for a long time. Why would anyone who didn’t want to get pregnant not use it? I thought it would be early and uncommon. As in so many things, I discovered that was just the first step.
I once thought it was acceptable to let a trans person use the bathroom of their choice. My thinking was that there were almost none of them to begin with, and that if you went to the trouble of having major surgery, I wasn’t going to be churlish about using a bathroom. I could never have imagined (and I have a pretty good imagination) that you would ever be able to “change” your sex by just making a statement to that effect.
I’m now as rigid as a hunk of concrete and would not give these people an inch on any issue. They’re congenitally dishonest.
I worked in an abortion clinic in the 70s.
Twelve weeks was supposedly the limit.
“Chainsaws into vaginas” is not hyperbole.
The limbs have to ber hacked off when you move up into the second trimester.
I’m still haunted by what I saw. And very pro life.
This ship of fools is finally running aground !!!!!!
I spent the weekend with my wife at my family beach house. No TV and no air conditioning. We spent Friday night watching an electrical storm. When you don’t have AC, you tend to be a bit more in tune with the weather, particularly the strength and direction of the wind. It was certainly a pleasant respite from all the chaos Mr. Kunstler so perfectly described.
That sounds really nice ?
I don’t know where the question mark came from. I posted ?
🙂
Are you crazy, Lawfish? You might have missed a really important tweet or that latest Tik Tok video. Jeez!
Here is a sort of analogy
Many decades ago, a majority of the population smoked cigarettes. Put aside any of the physical health issues, I’m heading this towards behavioral health.
People wouldn’t leave home without a pack of cigarettes. They had them around the house. Regardless of the brand, the pack of cigarettes was pervasive.
Fast-forward.
People wouldn’t leave home without their cell phone. It goes with them everywhere, be it in the home or out.
Just from a behavioral perspective, one has been supplanted by the other.
Comments?
Try going without the cell phone. Be prepared for withdrawal.
Just got back from a week in St. John, USVI – left the cell phone (electronic leash) at home on purpose. Withdrawal? How about freedom & being present – a real life, uninterrupted.
Just for yuks, clipped a pacifier on my shirt with one of those short clips used on infant clothing. When asked by travelers about it – I explained that I left my cell phone at home, and had my “binky”, “just in case”.
Love trolling the addicted – the look on their faces after answering was priceless. Boo hoo. Nowadays, you have to make your own fun.
Ron,
I was all set to buy the clown noses, then the mask bullshit went out of vogue.
NGT – wow, you have a great memory – a man after my own heart with a kindred sense of humor. Truth be told, I get much more delight & enjoyment out of destroying & antagonizing liberals, than promoting conservatism.
From time to time, I’ve been called a real prick – probably some truth to that. For that same reason, I’ve been cancelled by the opinion page editor of our (formerly) locally owned newspaper – no more press for me.
NGT, yes, I have experienced both addictions.
If I forget to take the phone, which I do, and I’m already away from home, it reenforces the weaning process.
I used to love camping out for that reason. By the time you finished cooking dinner over the campfire, you felt like you’d always been there–especially in certain camping spots. I liked the Flint Hills in Kansas a lot, and the Missouri Ozarks, where we went for float trips.
On one of my last trips (before I got too old), I was coming back from the restrooms in the dark, and the tent looked like it was positively bouncing around from everyone inside laughing and telling stories. My granddaughter and a daughter’s boyfriend were with us and they were all making up stories that began, “Once upon a time there was a little girl who….” Then they’d tell a story where my granddaughter (who was about eight at the time) was the main character–usually something that happened in a movie.
My daughter’s boyfriend (they’ve been married for about ten years now) had just learned to swim that summer, and I think he was enjoying the float trip and swimming in the river more than anyone.
On the other hand, there was that one time when we went on a float trip when it was about 110°, and everyone griped that they couldn’t sleep far into the night. But it is quite an experience to be on the water in a raft when it’s 110°-ish, and you are well supplied with beer–which seem to affect you a lot like acid when it’s that hot.
I doubt the Supreme Court’s recent actions have anything to do with the moral/constitutional issues surrounding abortion. More like their decision is just one more distraction in a sea of distractions, one more wedge driven into the population to divide us even more. It’s the bread-and-butter of totalitarian states. SCOTUS had half a century to overturn Roe v. Wade, and they chose NOW? How convenient.
But I agree with the bulk of JHK’s piece today. In the future that’s welling up in front of us, we’ll have to row and not just wade.
The timing is covenient, but I really don’t see the connection. The cultists love Roe vs. Wade.
They also reaffirmed gun rights, and both decisions here are in line with the United States’ traditional value frame work: Federalism and the right to defend oneself from tyranny with a firearm.
I think that John K has a point. Dopey Jos and his army of evil have been trying to provoke the conservative right into violence in every way possible so that they can justify an all-out assault and round up of them and their weapons, IMHO.
Finally realizing that conservative means not really prone to violence, they have shifted their prodding to the radical left, a group clearly willing to utilize assault as a means to an end. Removing their holy grail of R v W has a great possibility to turning many of them into blood thirsty berserkers who will not stop at merely aborting the unborn but will choose to terminate all those who have pissed on their parade.
I’m afraid the only way they’ll get the Left to serious violence is the customary way: they will have to pay them, and the only takers will be the radical Left, which is made up of people who are such extreme losers as to have no future. The vast, vast majority of Leftist are just a bunch of government employees/retirees, people sucking off the tit of quasi-government employment (government-subsidized stuff), and people on welfare of some kind.
The real Leftist voting block is made up of mostly very comfortable people who are on the governmen payroll: think pink-pussy-hatted female government clerical workers in DC. They are not exactly street-fighting material, and you couldn’t make them into street-fighting material even with extensive training. Nor could you pay them enough, if you wanted them to do anything risky. It would be hard to find a more risk-averse bunch of people.
If you want people who will actually fight, you have to hire mercenaries–and they don’t come cheap. Antifa druggies, nutjobs, and felons are not going to cut it.
Conservatives will not resort to violence unless directly threatened. They don’t really care if BLM or Antifa want to burn down Portland or sack some high-end stores in Chicago. Only a direct, violent attack will provoke conservatives to violence, and only mercenaries could do it. You would think the government would know that. Maybe they do.
Anthea-
Based on what’s showing up on Telegram it appears that Uncle Vlad and co are doing a fine job of handling the regime’s pro mercs.
For the most part. But even the Spanish Fascists admitted that the Abraham Lincoln Brigade were tough fighters. As were the Spanish Communists themselves.
The pov of Western Rifle Shooters: Underestimate them at your own risk.
Agree in general. But, don’t forget all the college kids are have been trained to reject all the mores and traditions of their families and are quite eager to protest. Question is, could a strong communist agitator get them to fight by convincing them their lives aren’t at risk. I wonder.
Nevertheless most of the females are all mouth and the males mostly soy boys who would accidently shoot themselves with the simplest gun.
Interesting discussion point. Might be a real issue very soon.
people sucking off the tit of quasi-government employment – Anthea
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Have you ever noticed that tit used in this way comes across as rather crude but if you say teat it becomes much more genteel?
@ Q Shtick:
I’m not sure I agree that teat is more genteel than tit. (When you have them yourself, you tend to view them in an entirely positive light, regardless of what you call them, so “tit” doesn’t seem vulgar at all.)
But this is a worthwhile point to make, as I have occasionally noticed that there are a couple of posters on here who are unnecessarily vulgar. But at least it’s not like tickerforum, where it seems like the level of homo-eroticism should be an embarrassment.
Anthea – I could not agree with you more! I view them in an entirely positive light, regardless of what you call them – and I mean that in a genteel way.
Good analysis. I’m starting to tilt towards this point of view.
If the Kyle Rittenhouse episode is any measure, the Democrat street mobs would be well advised to not try to commit violent acts against armed Republicans.
Score:
Rittenhouse: 2
Antifa: 0
I think so too. Remember the leaked decision? It gave them time to get the rent-a-mobs together.
I’m not sure that the timing wasn’t a way for the Republicans to throw the “red wave”.
Eh, the demographic that really cares about RvW doesn’t have the fortitude for real street action.
The street action types will be less interested because many live in jurisdictions that permit shoplifting up to $1000 a day, thus opening many exciting new career opportunities.
The ones we just saw are the mobs, third. They are not representative of the people who opposed the ruling. They are just there to distract and stir things up.
They started making the death jabs available to babies, didn’t they?
The leak could have come from anyone. Disgruntled leftist, etc.
Both decisions are actually beneficial to restoring some level of balance to the system.
If anyone has any hard evidence to support this idea, I would love to hear it.
The PTB have probably been racking their brains for several years now, trying to think of a way to launch a violent attack on rural America in such a way that they can spin rural American’s self-defense as aggression against hapless Negroes who came out to BFE, en masse, for a picnic and a little bird-watching. (I personally don’t believe Negroes would come out to BFE en masse, even if they were starving. Drive or walk some gravel roads at night and imagine how you would feel if you were an urban black.)
They need to come up with a false flag operation where they can make it appear that rural Americans are engaged in violent revolution against the government, or in violently attacking leftist urban centers, and thus justify imposing martial law.
Another probably important point is that I don’t think the US government has the military manpower to impose martial law broadly, and they will soon have a hard time paying mercenaries in US dollars. Mercenaries are not very resposive to being paid in IOUs written out on toilet paper.
Maybe severe food shortages would enable them to accuse rural people of withholding food and thereby starving the city folks. If the military were sent into farm country to confiscate food supplies, Holodomor-style, it could provoke violent resistance. Of course, the government did just this during the Great Depression, and if there was violent resistance to this, I never heard about it. I don’t think they’d dare try this today, except maybe in a single state (to test the strategy) where guns are illegal.
Interestingly, nothing like this happened in Weimar Germany, and in fact the rural farming population made out like bandits. And justly so. (Producers deserve to be compensated for producing, and urban grifters deserve to be served the just compensation for grifting.) Farmers were paying off their mortgages with worthless money and trading food for solid assets and luxury items. But the Weimar situation and objectives were not the same as in Stalinist Russia–or the modern US.
But I guess this is just a lot of rambling.
“Dopey Jos and his army of evil have been trying to provoke the conservative right into violence in every way possible so that they can justify an all-out assault and round up of them and their weapons, IMHO.”
Pure fantasy.
Have you procured a chest-feeder yet? How will you nurse your child?
Redneck Liberal never has a reasoned argument to present–or indeed anything to say at all. My view is that if you don’t have anything to say, you should STFU.
I wonder what it’s like to go through life without ever having a thought in your head?
While I love the gun decision, it is DEFINITELY not Federalism, with each state allowed to experiment with different laws. It will make it impossible for the Feds to force gun control on the whole country: that’s a good thing.
The irony is that NY State also has a version of the 2nd Amendment in its constitution. It was just never enforced.
I love the gun decision, even though a part of me doesn’t actually like it.
I’m hoping it can lead to stopping the galloping globalism.
I could hardly believe it when some people told me how much they liked the government’s decision on incandescent light bulbs, because the new ones were so much cheaper to use or something.
They needed the government to make them buy lights they liked better?
Why try to encourage gun ownership in New York, when the state is run by the 8 million or so dumb shits who live in NYC and believe that anybody who owns a gun plans to go around popping everyone they see? (I wonder if they include Schumer and Doomberg in this presumption of gun-toting lunacy?)
In any case, Kathy Hochul is brutally ugly, dumber than a rotten tree stump, and has about as much charm as Hillary Rotten Clinton. I say this specifically to insult Mrs. Hochul, whose presence in Albany is a tragic accident.
Night- Or to put it another way, both decisions are constitutionally correct- returning power back to the people and the states.
It is definitely out of character for the judiciary to do the right thing.
The ruling left the decision of abortion up to the states, it didn’t outlaw it nationally. Even in conservative states, poll after poll indicated the people wanted safe abortions to be available with reasonable boundaries.
There’s something grotesque about the demonstrations of pro-abortionists weeping and carrying on like drama queens. But this will be ginned up to get the women and youth vote out in November.
i think they have pulled the pin on this electoral cattle prod grenade too early. the typical attention span / news cycle will guarantee this is stale by november.
no, they have something more timely and dramatic for october planned. something that *always* rallies the patriots around the administration.
not hard to guess, but it will be hell to live thru – literally.
This generation of Democrats ARE entertaining. Who knows what next?
Looking forward to it, but it’s hard to imagine which foot they are going to shoot off this time. They shot the other ones off already.
Ignore the grammar. I just teach English…
I can envision the sort of events they might pull to try and rally people around the flag.
The 4th and Labor Day are the most likely windows for that sort of thing.
In my opinion, the Supreme’s Roe v. Wade decision is not about abortion, it’s about state’s rights, and more specifically about “gun control”. It’s about ending the patchwork of conflicting laws and replacing it with one “rule of law” for everyone.
It’s only 135 days until the election – not that our votes matter. Right-wing, anti-abortion politicians will be swept out of office by the coming Blue Tsunami and replaced with “common sense” legislators who will “re-imagine” state’s rights into the state’s right to do as the feds say.
It’s about shaping the Narrative, and shaping the perceptions, particularly the emotional reactions, of the people.
“You said you wanted an end to the confusing patchwork of state laws. You said you wanted to protect a woman’s Right to Choose. You said you wanted to be protected from your diseased neighbors. You said you wanted commonsense gun laws. We heard you! The 118th Congress – in cooperation with the bright new (WEF) stars in the state capitals – will be the most protective, progressive, and responsive in the history of our great and exceptional nation!”
Pitting us against each other, making it easier for the ruling class rob and imprison us. Dominoes don’t fall alone.
Those pro-abortionists aren’t organic, any more than the protestors in Ferguson.
For some reason, many people believed that Roe v. Wade “allowed” abortion on demand.
I think there is some confusion over just how long a trimester is.
I have heard people speak of late term abortions, and this was before some states started passing their extreme laws, as something lazy women did, instead of the horrifying and life-threatening (to the mother as well) circumstance that it is.
Most abortions take place in the first trimester (3 1/2 months) when the mother realizes she’s missed periods. Why I’m for continuing legal & safe abortions in the first trimester is the reality that the pregnant woman knows if she’s been taking drugs, been drinking heavily & if she’s bringing a child into the world who won’t be cared for. Birth control ( including btw men using condoms) & the morning after pill need to be affordable & accessible to help prevent a woman from getting pregnant in the first place.
Beryl,
What %age of abortions do you think are just “lazy women” using retroactive birth control?
Howard, I was referring to the imaginary women people think are waiting to month 8 or 9.
I do know there are women who do not use any contraceptives, but what percentage of the women who get abortions they make up, I really don’t know.
To me, that is a moot issue, because you either believe terminating a pregnancy at any stage is murder, or you don’t.
Whether or not a woman took adequate precautions to avoid pregnancy, in the point of view of people who don’t even know her, is totally irrelevant to the question of whether she is killing a baby or not.
I listened to a talk by an MD, who was also an evangelical Christian and firmly Right To Life.
He explained that all forms of birth control except condoms are killing a baby. Do I agree with that? No, I do not. I don’t believe science agrees with that either.
So, even if a woman takes what people decide are adequate precautions against pregnancy, she is still a killer in the eyes of much of the anti-abortion movement.
“… in the eyes of much of the anti-abortion movement.”
I suspect that both the anti-abortion movement and the pro-abortion movement are comprised of very small slivers of the population (maybe 5% each?). Most people seem to have an opinion on the abortion issue that slides along the spectrum between “Hell yeah!” and “Hell no!”, but are not part of any movement. Of course it is only the tiny but extremely vocal minority who get heard. (Ok, they don’t really get “heard”, they play their part in the charade and the government takes the action they were going to take all along. Gotta get that Narrative in-place to make it all believable.)
Perhaps such mothers are being paid? Doctors wants the STEM Cells that they can extract from late stage fetuses. And Planned Parenthood was caught selling heads. Project Veritas caught them dead to rights.
Can’t remember what the heads were for.
def $ in it.
heard with my own ears a (not blood) related med student say “its just tissue”.
my reply “that’s an abomination”
the only thing not on our side is that the nazis like mengele didn’t do it first.
she has since had 2 boys, and is probably injecting them with the nottavax as we speak. one is 5, the other 2.
god help us…
I think the conservative states may have learned their lesson, and will ban it outright. They’ve made it clear to us that they aren’t content with reasonable boundaries and that if we leave the door ever so slightly ajar, they’ll push and push and push.
What has surprised me is what’s accompanied the demand for abortions – an apparent absolute hatred of infants. Someone on twitter lately referred to them as “mussels” (which also, they claim, cling to life). I’ve heard many others call them tumors. There is real, virulent hatred there, as if the idea of the existence of the unborn or infants in general inspired a level of hatred that seems demonic in its violence. There is a disease that’s infecting people, and it’s impossible not to notice the spiritual aspect of it.
I agree with you to a certain extent. There’s a dehumanizing element to the prochoice rhetoric that has not a grain of compassion for anyone beyond the mother. Almost as if the woman is the innocent victim of an alien attack. It’s creepy but I’ve thought for a long time that America was not as caring for children as people in government & corporations pretend to be.
They’re not protected from predatory pharmaceutical companies , just as one example. Children are given powerful psychoactive medications, no one is allowed to question ANY vaccine ever and there’s no universal health care to serve as some kind of safety net. Moloch comes in many disguises.
@ Rowdypiglet:
Two or three years ago, one of my gay male friends as much as said this. After telling me about all the people he worked with who regretted having children and wished they had aborted them, he continued to casually remark, “It’s like people HATE children.” This sentiment seemed to have his full approval.
I responded that I had never known anyone who felt that way.
This really is a demonic point of view: killing babies is a matter of the utmost importance.
I had a gay work friend like that once. He was witty with even a kind of wisdom. But he was wildly for abortion and if you said it was murder, he’d become wildly passionate saying, Good. The whole human race should die.
Where did that come from? What did this part of him have to do with his regular personality? Underneath it all, there was despair.
“Even in conservative states, poll after poll indicated the people wanted safe abortions to be available with reasonable boundaries.”
Which states, SW? There are now 12 states that have activated pre-arranged laws that immediately restrict abortion so tightly and so paternalistically that there may as well be no safe legal option at all.
“People” refers to the citizens who were polled, not the batshit crazy legislators in the state capitols.
Trump’s revenge! His three picks had at least this much integrity, even though they wouldn’t deign to save his presidency by investigating the stolen election.
Two utterly fucking wrong-headed statements in one sentence! Impressive!
Disagree. Cancelling R v W is a massive body blow to the crazies. The equivalent would be cancelling 2A.
Agree, I can imagine some people I don’t speak with any more (fanatical Fauci-worshipers) going apoplectic over RvW, very similar demographics, imo.
And the third leg of the crazy tripod is Ukraine.
That may be a tad too cynical. The court’s composition changes slowly. It took 49 years to go from a liberal supermajority to a conservative supermajority of justices and there was a very long period of time in-between when there were simply too many Libs and squishy moderates on the SCOTUS to overturn Roe.
The 2016 election changed everything. Trump placed 3 very conservative, anti-Roe justices on the court and finally got us to a large enough majority to make it happen.
Persistence by pro-Life forces is why it happened in 2022 – not a sudden change of heart by the people who defended Roe for nearly half a century.
The group who will suffer most from the repeal of Roe. v. Wade will be trans women.
Birthing people, you fascist!
“Howls of derisive laughter, Bruce!”
Oh my God – the endless suffering of the trannies! We need to make more laws to protect and promote this rapidly growing – and unbelievably precious – demographic.
One of the most difficult items to wrap my mind around is the fact that being pro-life is considered “hate speech”. The corporate giants stand with the baby-killers in a way that can not go unpunished.
A lot of Americans are going to be reduced to begging in our streets come Fall and I can promise you that no one that ever attacked me for being pro-life will find any refuge with me at my table.
“…I can promise you that no one that ever attacked me for being pro-life will find any refuge with me at my table.”
Not particularly Christian of you, huh. No forgiveness, no turning the other cheek…
Unbaptized, you aren’t going to heaven either.
Will you fill your chest-feeder with formula? Where does the baby actually come out in your situation, Rednut?
The cultists are going for broke; they know they won’t get this “window of opportunity” again.
The head cockroach over at Nestle has crawled out of the woodwork to reanimate one of his favorite pet issues:
“Nestle CEO Peter Brabeck-Letmathe claims that water is not a human right and must be privatized and controlled by the elites.”
https://twitter.com/SammieJack3/status/1540971307633987584?cxt=HHwWgMC-ia3P0OIqAAAA
the insanity never ends with these evil pricks running everything including our biggest corps. water not a human right? oh but killing children is. gotcha. go eff yourself you POS. Judgment Day. tick-tock.
If you look into his eyes, there is nothing there… except a problem.
Look to the control of the WEF. I expect that they will be front and center firing bullets at the decisions of the Supreme Court, the last bastion of what is left of America.
The greatest oxymoron of today is
United States.
Many think the US will split. One of the WEF claims is that within a short timeframe, the US will no longer exist as it once did. They are working overtime to break it, and the stolen election was key.
TBH, I would welcome a break up. I’d be happy to leave Europe, which is now nearly captured. A collection of free states would be pretty attractive.
The fam and I are in survival mode at present. Sock the money away, keep the pantry full, fix anything and everything on the house, add another well, add solar, etc.
Ideal scenario would be to dump the house for a massive profit and head off to a free state. Worst case would be just flee and otherwise react as events occur.
Just to give you some inspiration, and perhaps incentive, you might look into Missouri. There are quite a few solidly German areas in Missouri, some of them in wine country, and usually with quite a large Amish population. I think many of the Amish still speak German. In the fall, there are Octoberfests galore all over the place in Missouri.
You cannot imagine a kindlier, friendlier bunch of people than those you encounter in these old German settlements. I’m used to generally kindly, friendly people here in the exurbs, but they still surprise me.
I don’t get down to those areas very often, though I sometimes go to the produce auction in Windsor or visit Morgan County Seeds. It’s a different world.
Interesting. I could see my wife appreciating the German connection. She never did fully take to the US way of life, but that is pretty common when one is an expat.
One of my friends who is a market gardener visits these places often. It’s on business, but I think it must be partly to refresh her spirit, as other family members could handle some of the business stuff, if she’d let them.
Keep in mind Nestle controls most of the potable water on the planet.
So, what’s new?
Have a look at The Colorado River Compact of 1922.
Try getting any useful volume of water out from under that conglomerate of elites (farmers, mostly, many big corporates).
WEF Ghoul: “Rainwater is not a human right, and should be controlled by the corporate class”
Low-IQ CFN banee: “You can’t get water from the Colorado River”
Your brain is a wonder.
Rainwater collection by private citizens is illegal in Colorado. All precipitation is to flow into the watershed which eventually feeds into the Colorado River. Used to be a household setting up rain barrel for garden use, etc, wasn’t prosecuted. Don’t know if that can still slide under the radar.
If not, fine is $500 day the barrel is in use.
So, Colorado citizens cannot get water out of the river unless they have water rights recognized by the compact.
That is the point.
He is attempting to play it down because it is already happening.
LOL.
What a bullshit law.
I know of places along the New England coast which are remote, best use a 4×4 vehicle, where they collect rainwater. It’s the only source of potable water other than what one carries in from the mainland.
The collection system starts on the roof and ends in a barrel or something similar located on the ground level.
I looked at rainwater systems, and don’t consider it off the board. We haven’t had much rain here recently. Having some stored rainwater for the garden is a developing possibility.
Part of developing a more self-sufficient way of living.
Ha! You can tell the Easterners from the Westerners by their complete lack of understanding of the lack of water in the west.
Never heard of the ”water wars”, boys?
claims that water is not a human right and must be privatized and controlled by the elites.” – Night Owl
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Speaking of water (fresh, that is), I learned a few interesting facts on this recent Great Lakes cruise. Lake Superior contains more water than the combined water of the other four Great Lakes and “you can throw in a couple more Lake Eries.”
An average drop of water that falls on Lake Superior is there for 191 years before it makes its way via gravity through the other lakes and eventually finds its way out the St Lawrence Seaway into the Atlantic Ocean. A tiny amount finds its way into the Mississippi River.
A call to repentance; good job JHK!
And this is probably a best-case scenario.
One continuing surprise is the almost uniform failure of Lefties to acknowledge what is happening all around us. None are so blind as those who will not see.
While we cannot flee Rome, I have begun implementation of an alternative plan to protect my family. We will isolate from their segment of society in every way possible; because when their ignorance becomes self evident they will be lashing out in unpredictable directions.
Nowhere in the midst of screechy females exclaiming “My body, my choice” is any thought to working on making surgical abortion more uncommon. I have known young women who use it as a form of birth control. The science behind having babies is well established. I just wish men and woman would take more responsibility in controlling their procreation. Perhaps this is too much to ask where hormones and alcohol may be involved.
Hormones and alcohol plus a small brain stem.
I wish that instead of encouraging young males to take dangerous treatments to become ‘trans’, young men would be encouraged to avail themselves of the medical procedures available to prevent them from fathering any children until they are good any ready.
That would pretty much solve the whole abortion issue, wouldn’t it?
I doubt it.
When women trust men to be responsible, women get pregnant.
“And” ready.
Europe apparently flying off the rails after blocking Russian oil. If so, the destination is to some place Medieval with V standing for vicious.
So Germany is going back to coal now. Surely they’ll be violating their own climate change rules. I’ve seen reports that a lot of the coal they plan to use actually comes from Russia! You can’t even make this stuff up anymore.
Sorry, that line is now a cliche.
It’s a perfect line for the unbelievable plot lines that are developing every day!
Yes but the unbelievable is boring now, isn’t it? Or at least normal.
Tax, yep. They really are going for Russian coal. I think the Zero Carbon madness will be a casualty of all this anyway. Can you imagine the Germans going without their Mercs and vaycays? Greta won’t be pleased!
We discussed last week. Germany has a WEF-installed government, with a collection of some of the most unimpressive individuals ever to hold office. Habek got destroyed by a kid half his age on economics the other day; Baerbock may be one of the most unintelligent politicians in history, with a series of gaffes that would make Joe Joe blush; and Lauterbach is more or less a reincarnated Goebbels, but with an extra dollup of mental instablity.
Any chick named Bareback is bound to be my kind of gal!
IDK, she’s a bit chubby, and she is fond of dressing in what appear to be Aldi bathrobes.
The increases in energy and other input costs have already made European industry globally uncompetitive.
Can you say “starving European children?”
The one thing in common that all of the West share is a desperate need for new Elites.
Our current crop just isn’t up to the job, Every time they have a chance to shoot themselves in the foot they miss and another round hits the scrotum.
The next two years will see the de-industrialization of Europe.
look what Colorado did. They made abortion fully legal all the way up to right before the baby is born!!! I was going to say what Doctor worth his “Hippocratic—Oath, FIRST DO NO HARM.”
Would actually go along with this, and kill a 9 month old baby? Good luck finding a doctor to perform such an evil act, even inside the State of Colorado. I was going to say that.
Then it hit me again I don’t live in an age of honest good doctors anymore. Especially not since the slant eyed Covid virus popped up like a piece of toast on us all.
Now they will lie their ass off and go along with anything the CDC says. Not all of them of course but far far too many will.
The core problem is that the economic position of doctors has shifted from being sole practitioners to being corporate employees.
look what Colorado did. They made abortion fully legal all the way up to right before the baby is born!!! I was going to say what Doctor worth his “Hippocratic—Oath, FIRST DO NO HARM.”
Would actually go along with this, and kill a 9 month old baby? Good luck finding a doctor to perform such an evil act, even inside the State of Colorado. I was going to say that.
Then it hit me again I don’t live in an age of honest good doctors anymore. Especially not since the slant eyed Covid virus popped up like a piece of toast on us all……
Now they will lie their ass off and go along with anything the CDC says. Not all of them of course but far far too many will……
just be glad you live in Montana. pretty much the best state in my opinion, except for half the country seems to be moving in at this point.
AAA is ceasing publication of its travel guides. You can still get them while supplies last, but the most popular ones are already gone.
I’m in New York, I expected the Florida ones to be gone, but what surprised me is the ones for places like Montana, Wyoming, and Idaho are depleted. It shows you where people are thinking of moving to.
I’m an Idaho native. More and more blue staters are coming. Typically, it seems, rich. I think a lot are ‘California Conservatives’ which tend to be liberal-lite.
Idaho is still great. Imagine New York City is 700,000 people and the rest of the state is a couple two lane highways with a scattering of small towns. Idaho has a great vibe. Outside of a Boise suburban area called Meridian you never feel stressed, never feel unsafe. Everyone is engaged in outdoor recreation so everyone seems mentally healthy.
I do worry it will change, but one thing we have going for us is it’s an extremely rugged state (it’s been called a geographical monstrosity) with limited roads. Very hard to navigate. Most of it is in a deep freeze during winter. People really only have a handful of areas where they can settle. So if we can keep the populations pretty isolated then I think it won’t be as bad as what’s happened to other states.
I do, though, have this sneaking feeling that it’s going to become an enclave for the wealthy.
Strangely liberal compared to Idaho. Controlled by scumbag Republicans who don’t answer to their base.
Great people though
Hopefully they leave some room for those expats escaping Schwab’s Europe.
Oh. I thought Schwab had GLOBAL expectations…
That is what he says.
How is your pregnancy coming along?
Redneck has had another thought. A disturbing sign of possbile sentiency, kind of like seeing an algal bloom spell out an intelligible word.
None of the Western leaders seem to have been actually elected. Certainly not FJB or the EU. Too bad we (as a country) didn’t wake up to this earlier. But life was good and most of us were able to pack on an extra 200 pounds of lard as a primitive savings account. Hopefully at the tribal level, we can exercise some choice regarding who our local warlords will be.
“ Out of all that suffering will eventually come a new respect for human life”
Out of all that suffering will eventually come a new form of human life
Children are the consequence of selective editing
Fixed that
The Party of Chaos- that’s communism. There’s an anti-communist party, the commies, and there are a lot of bystanders who think they stand for something, but they don’t.
“Hopefully at the tribal level, we can exercise some choice regarding who our local warlords will be.”
TD,
On a tribal level?
Do you own weapons?
Do you have a large stash of food?
Do you have a good looking daughter?
…Or son?
The details of my life are quite inconsequential… My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we’d make meat helmets. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles. Pretty typical stuff.
My God, Tax, you must have rebelled long and hard against such a bland bourgeois upbringing! Now tell us about the black sheep in your family! 🙂 I think there’s a Somerset Maugham novel in there somewhere.
I could write all about it but it’s probably more captivating these days just to read the headlines and try to make sense out of them.
TD,
That’s right, throw your Norman Rockwell-esqe childhood in our faces….
Pretty typical stuff. – Tax D
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Hahaha. Yeah, almost not worth mentioning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO3pUVbNSnA
Heh, heh.
The pivotal point of the Supreme Court decision is not much discussed: the right of privacy is a blank slate onto which any five justices can write whatever they think would be good social policy. That is the opposite of Constitutional reasoning, and of limited government in action.
On the other hand, for the Court to say with a straight face that the political process is perfectly prepared to reflect the opinion of the local population is not a good faith argument in 2022. Suggesting that women keep their knees together or get an IUD will not bring down the country, but loss of faith in the voting process may.
you mean like the clear lack of integrity in the last major election? the kind where counting matters more than voting?
I’m not sure I like the idea of any person’s personal decisions, as long as they are not specifically protected in the Constitution, being up for a vote.
I have not read the decision yet, though. Some of our jurists seemed to be of the opinion that as long as a law was passed, it didn’t matter if that law was constitutional or not.
As John Adams said, Our system of government is meant for a moral people and no other. Killing “your” baby is not moral.
A compromise: Fifteen weeks. At least until we can separate or we collapse. The problem is the fuzzies like you who don’t know and don’t want to know.
We must make distinction between laws passed in the legislature and judicial fiats.
The right to life is a constitutional protection. It seems to me that you can’t advocate for killing the unborn, even if you don’t know for sure whether it is a human life.
If I decide to go out in the back yard and do a little target practice, I could claim that I didn’t know that I was shooting in the direction of my neighbor’s house and didn’t know that his kids were playing outside. I thus didn’t “know” I was shooting a human being, but I’m pretty sure I would still be convicted of manslaughter. (They’d probably want to string me up if I shot the neighbor’s cow.)
Destroying a human life–a baby–is a pretty serious matter. If you don’t know for sure whether it’s a human life, it seems to me that the wise thing to do would be to err on the side of caution.
As far as the court’s ruling, I haven’t read it yet. I have real concerns about the idea that this court gave the issue “back to the states”, but as I’ve said, I have not read the actual ruling.
Many of the people rejoicing over overturning Roe versus Wade have obviously never read that decision either.
As for the states which legalized abortion up to birth, theoretically, the only reason I can think of for that is the chaos it would cause, it would get people bashing women who waited too long to kill their babies.
That there were no women clamoring for this “right” seems to escape many people.
New York’s law, which I am most familiar with, was something hatched in the fevered brain of sex harasser Andrew Cuomo, and passed into law by a predominately male legislature.
I have read both. So did my wife and, she read them before, I did. And both of us are retired, and both of us are Born and raised in the very far NW Part of Montana.
Residing 5 miles from the Canadian Border, 18 3/4 miles from the Idaho Stateline. In the YAAK Valley. Pop 341. Now we haven’t read Governor Cuomo’s “ legislative” ruling. Colorado’s ruling allows a woman to abort / kill / terminate / null / Void, call it what you will.
Use any label you like. But it allows a woman to kill a fully developed, fully normal baby up until the ninth month. And I mean a full nine months. Even to where the baby could live on its own out of the womb. Until of course, the mother needed to feed it. This is flat out evil.
Our society is awash in sexual education and contraception, much of it free. How did we get to the point where we are having millions of abortions a year?
He’s right, Beryl. And there are women clamoring for this right. You’re just not listening. And there are organizations eager for the product. STEM Cell extraction. Planned Parenthood sells baby heads. Probably more uses too.
Are the “mothers” getting a cut?
I am not aware of any woman asking for Cuomo’s expansion of her “rights”, but maybe you know something I don’t?
The women demonstrating against Roe v. Wade being overturned are demonstrating in favor of a ruling that only allowed for abortion on demand in the first trimester.
The laws in Virginia and Colorado and New York have nothing to do with Roe v. Wade.
What do you think Montana Man is right about, that I’m wrong about?
So you’re fine with late stage abortion because women aren’t clamoring for it (according to you)?
Each state has it’s laws on this issue. Women (like you) are unhappy about such Democracy.
Where do you get that, Jarek? Where did I say I was okay with late stage abortion?
What I am saying is that Roe v. Wade did NOT allow for abortion on demand beyond the first trimester, yet I still heard people blaming women who had late term abortions for waiting so long to kill their babies.
And it is a fact that it was Andrew Cuomo who came up with the idea of his infanticide law.
Show me one woman who asked him to do that.
Ok, so you admit it’s happening irrespective of the Roe, Wade, Casey, or what have you and you deplore it?
All I really said is that some women clamor for it when you denied any clamored for it. I’m right about that, not you.
Found this above:
Paula, New York’s law provided for abortion for any reason up to birth.
For some reason, when I try to talk about late term abortion under Roe v. Wade, people keep trying to conflate it with what some rogue MALE governors did in two or three states.
Late term abortions are only performed legally under extreme circumstances. I’d hate to be the mother faced with this trauma who also had to see all the bashing of women by the ignorant.
Jarek: Which is it: For any reason or only under extreme circumstances?
Jarek, show me the late term abortion performed on demand under Roe v. Wade.
Then show me the late term abortion performed under Cuomo’s law, that would not have been legal under Roe v. Wade.
You just don’t get it.
The thing about legal late term abortions is that the woman usually wanted the baby, but then finds out in the third trimester that it is not viable.
It is tragic and it is traumatic. She has to make that decision and mourn the loss of her wanted child.
And then to have to listen to the ignorant spouting off about her ”irresponsibility” would be unbearable.
First tell me what I asked.
The likes of Jarek do not understand nuance.
Try 2×4.
And now this!
“ Navy threatens to penalize sailors who purposely misuse gender pronouns”
“The new warning come as many conservatives are criticizing the military services under President Joe Biden for pursuing woke ideology, such as a critical race theory.”
“ Many thousands of conservative parents are not allowing their children to join any branch of the military until, as they say, the evil Joe Biden is swept out of office.”
(This is from the website that was started by the very well-known and now ostracized by recent so called friends, of his, John Solomon. I cannot recommend this news website strongly enough. Because it is just like the title says to this news website. “JUST THE NEWS”. ?
It has quickly turned out to be my favorite online news source.)
justthenews.com/nation/free-speech/navy-threatens-penalize-sailors-who-purposefully-misuse-gender-pronouns
Imagine shouting “man overboard”! The poor bastard will have drowned by the time you get the correct pronoun.
The crazy thing is you CAN actually imagine someone shouting “man overboard” and then subsequently being persecuted for it.
Speaking of not killing children, a 5 month old was shot to death in Chicago.
Imagine if this happened in a suburb where a white person with a lawfully obtained gun started killing people.
This is the soft bigotry of low expectations.
Ignoring the war zones and blatant murdering of people because the racist left refuses to acknowledge it. Because coming to terms with it is secondary to their voter engagement with certain demographics.
You’d think an organization calling itself Black Lives Matter, one that gets support from the government, would be all over this.
I believe they’re considering renaming their organization to Donations to Black Lives Matter.
The life of the black murderer matters.
The victim? Well, that’s not a life anymore, is it?
Treason doth never prosper, what’s the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it Treason.
John Harington
“That suggests not killing children.” Not “killing children” is certainly a great idea. However, it seems, historically, unconnected with a medical procedure known as “abortion” (AKA, women’s reproductive freedom”). How historically shallow to not notice that the Bible, a product of centuries of grappling ” with all the abstruse ambiguities, pretensions, and nebulosities about sex ” , and clearly part of Western canon, never mentions this well-known (Bronze Age) procedure… in fact, differentiates the financial obligations between a person causing Death and one causing a miscarriage. Non-intervention (spontaneous) “abortions” occur about 12 times in the life of a married woman sleeping with her husband. Who mourns these lost souls? Finally, the most committed abortion-scourges seem to constitute the loudest cheering section for US military operations that, definitely, DO “kill babies”. Recall Iraq? 1st week of :Shock & Awe” wiped out over 8,000 & continued for 46 days.
Yes, and since accidents (unintentional) happen on the road and always will, why not be intentional about it and hit people you don’t like on purpose?
Thus your grotesque idea is refuted – at least to those above a certain level.
The essence of America’s particular form of Stupidity is “shallowness”. Single line responses like this one, with no developed thought, scattered throughout this forum like a drive-by shooter, armed with every “Logical Fallacy” from a college freshman’s “Intro to Logic” textbook, from “False Analogy” (Jarek’s above quote) to “Ad Hominem Attack” (his below comment to “Paula D”) The inevitablity of traffic accidents is not the point, Jarek, it’s simply a shallow evasion of the OBVIOUS truth that no one mourns or even acknowledges the dozen or so fetuses terminated by that Great Abortionist in the Sky, Jahway! The only way for your “analogy” (sic) to work would be if no one cared about the victims of accidents. But, again, one-liners are immune to developed, logical responses. Like a check, written by someone whose bank account is empty, it imitates substance but betrays illogic.
You put forth a Principle. I then used it with a different example to show it in another light.
Anthea did the same above in a simpler and even more graphic way: There are lots of unwanted people around. Do you have the right to kill them?
Jarek, a Fallacious Analogy is a Fallacious Analogy. My unarguable observation that “no one mourns them [spontaneous abortions]” is not a “principle”…WTF would said “principle” be? [or, do you even know what a “principle” IS?] It’s an uncontested (at least by you!) Fact. You seem desperate to avoid the obvious point: That, if these were “babies being killed” (rather than dime-sized flakes of fetal tissue being removed), we would react to their deaths consistently. But we don’t, do we? Both you and Anthea continue to refer to fetal tissue as “babies”… Once more, there is no historical reference to fetal tissue being “babies”. You’re reinventing the language! The silly question, “Do we have the right to kill them [unwanted people]?” has no relevance since fetal tissue is not, and never has been in history (Here, Jarek, is where you’d offer a historical refutation…I’m waiting (giggle)) considered a “person”. You needn’t be a Christian to recognize the Bible’s deep roots in Western thought. But, since the Bible clearly recognizes the distinction between fetal tissue & People (see original post), equating them… essential to your point…leaves the ball in your court. Who does? [answer: no one]
Indeed, even the Catholic church only decided abortion was a sin a couple of centuries ago.
It’s not in the Bible, no matter what the thumpers think.
“Thumpers” – what a creep. The Communist Manifesto is her bible!
Most pro-lifers’ views are neither Bible-based nor based on the position of the Church. They are of the opinion that killing children, whether before or after birth, is monstrous.
Speaking for myself, at least, I would hold this opinion regardless of what either the Bible or the Church had to say about it. I think I am probably typical in this regard.
The feelings of normal people revolt at the idea of killing infants, in the same way and for the same reasons that they are horrified by the Ted Bundys of this world. Such acts are monstrous.
The craziness will be blunted after the midterms. Then it will be Harris ( The Obama gang) vs the Republicans for two hellacious years. IMO, those two years will be an incendiary gridlock combined with an inflationary deep recession. I do believe the slow road back to stability in our country will begin at the end of January 2025. I have a little more faith in the majority of our citizens who will all start to chant “ ENOUGH!!” And act on it.
Doc Martin
I believe you are an optimist. Here is why.
The onslaught against American ideals is not fate, not an accident.
It is the well aimed, deliberate program by the globalist elements to take over the USA economically instead of war. It is working, 50% of the people of the US have signed up to this agenda by voting for its domestic representative , the Biden Mob.
I too feel little faith in an electorate that has been manipulated by this globalist group and have bought their line of despotic BS to continue their gimme dependence. If 2020 was legit, then the war is lost as permanent demographics have already condemned election results in the future.
I don’t think things will play out in favor of the globalists.
Their deindustrialization of the collective West will wind up making it simple for China and Russia to do as they please.
Little argument.
However, their no. 1 target is nationalism, think Trump.
IMHO, their next target is Russia.
They seem pretty obsessed with Russia at the moment. To make things worse, it looks like Putin is outmaneuvering them at every step. Not even sure Trump is relevant any more, given that 2024 is like a long long time from now.
China doing as it pleases, with friendly neighbor Russia along for the ride, is the globalist plan. (In my opinion.)
Bb-
That certainly could be what is happening.
Personally, I have a really hard time envisioning a guy like Xi knuckling under to the WEF dolts over the long-term.
Maybe he will not knuckle under. Maybe they are in cahoots.
Vladimir Putin is a WEF Young Global Leader who was speaking, not that long before his Ukraine SMO, of bringing about the NWO.
Perhaps Putin and Xi are every bit as on-board as are Trudeau and Johnson.
OG,
You should watch Putin’s most recent speech. He was excommunicated from WEF, and was never that active anyways.
He is a nationalist and working to ensure that Russia is a top dog in the multi-polar world we now live in.
He is an astute guy, and his recent speech contained levels of nuance and understanding that I don’t think would be possible by even the best of the globocap cockroaches running the US.
There are no saints running any of these countries, but Putin is throwing a wrench in the works, and that’s a good thing.
Hello Oscar Gordon Hawkins,
I have a friend, who (based on some things he has said over the years) I have wondered if he is in on the WEF design, writes “Putin would make so much more money (for himself and his family) if he integrated the Russian economy with the rest of the world (like the Chinese have done)”.
That which makes sense of all the nonsense, is that indeed Putin and Xi are very knowledgeable about the “Great Reset” agenda, and Putin has decided that the WEF agenda will not be in his nations best interest, and Xi is playing people like Kerry (who is selling out his nation) for the fools that they are.
Right or wrong, my friend refuses to objectively consider that which is transpiring in Ukraine from Putin’s perspective.
… considering the following:
Col. Richard Black: U.S. Leading World to Nuclear WarCol. Richard Black: U.S. Leading World to Nuclear War (1:10:58 YouTube video)
Ukraine Russia Nato conflict explained | Noam Chomsky (6:56 reddit)
Noam Chomsky: Ukraine and Beyond (1:26:32 facebook)
Ukrainegate impeachment saga worsens US-Russia Cold War (26:21 YouTube)
Yes, the “chink” in their armor. How can they make war on their own nations and peoples and expect to fight two powerful nations, now allied, who are not doing so?
Hey Jarek, I struggle understanding that as well. I’ve love to be a fly on the wall in Team Schwab’s meeting.
Hey, let’s poke the bear really hard, maybe even get a nuclear war started. Ok, Lord Rothschild, that’s a wonderful idea, but let’s destroy our own civilization first and kill off as many citizens as possible.
I am leaning towards expecting an attack on the US by either Russia or China in the next year or so. The US seems to be pulling out all the stops to provoke such an attack from Russia.
Interestingly, it doesn’t seem to me that there is any advantage in a nuclear attack for either side, as there are valuable resources at stake. One option would be to target large cities with nuclear weapons, since they are pretty much worthless anyway, and take out smaller cities and military installations outside the cities with more conventional explosives. It doesn’t make any sense to destroy or lose access to good agricultural land, water, oil, coal, and other minineral resources–even if conquest were not the goal.
I can’t see much motivation for China to attack; the whole place is for sale, anyway–and the Chinese are not much given to fits of pique.
I can’t share your optimism, Doc. The next Potus – whoever he is – will face the same thing as Trump: opposition and stone walling at every level, and a shitstorm of false accusations. This one is only going to be sorted by force and separation. If at all.
Nothing can be solved by a president or any one individual. What will save the US, one way of the other, are individual states coming together.
Federalism is about all that can stop this. The Open Society Foundations cockroaches know this too, which is why they have spent so much money on local elections.
“or the other”
America is still the world leader presently being maned by misfits. They fumbled and bumbled in their rush to get positioned at the top. Trump and the deplorables shook the shit out of leftist, liberals and the hardcore socialist as this new arrival of nationalism arrived on the scene. For decades the socialist left used creeping normalcy to infiltrate into education and propagandize our youth. This became their stock in trade with the guidebook of “Rules for Radicals” for instructions. They took over the media which college grads filled the ranks others went into politics. They infiltrated high tech from the start and had all the megaphones to flood the land with their views and goals. They must be dismayed that so many reject them which I believe made them insane
Thanks for touching on morality and ethics today Jim. I hope the readers can listen in on the great interview you just did with Mattias Desmet to hear more about this.
Religion is the basis of morality and ethics.
People will turn back to religion sooner or later even though we get the opposite impression from news reports like the one from Germany today announcing that 360,000 Catholics left the Church in 2021.
Over the weekend, churchgoers learned from the Apostle Paul:
“You were called for freedom brothers. But do not use this freedom as an opportunity for the flesh; rather serve one another through love.”
George Washington in his Farewell Address said:
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.
Respectfully, you got it backwards: morality, ethics, and logic are the basis of religion (reLIGion being “that which binds,” like a LIGament).
Our enemies are also watching us plumb the depths of weakness and insanity. When will they act? As a child of the Cold War US military, it’s hard for me to admit that I would see a Russian invasion and destruction of our techno-elite as a good thing.
And I would also add, to this threat, our race-monster we have bubbling in nearly all of our cities. Millions of racial aliens with agendas that include our destruction.
Rodulf-
Monkeywerx on YouTube is an ex-Army logistics guy who reviews flight and shipping traffic about 3 times a week.
Based on what he’s reporting it appears the US is flying quite a bit of men and material into Europe.
The US’ West Coast ports are empty because China is not sending any vessels.
Almost all of China’s has turned internal and moves between their ports. Almost as if they’ve totally reoriented their economy.
Everyone’s making their moves, now. We are seen as so weak by others.
Funny how are supply chains are all screwed up for fertiliser and baby formula…but absolutely fine for shipment of soldiers and military equipment.
Rudolf – If it makes you feel any Better:
Your techno-elite betrayed you long before you ever even considered that.
Oh, I knew that. I haven’t had any faith in them since childhood, when I believed their promises about the future.
Never interrupt your enemy when he’s making a mistake.
Or in the case of the US/EU dolts, multiple mistakes.
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The question mark was NOT what I tried to post. Tried an emoji and it didn’t work. Sorry. I agree with you 100%.
Thanks, but I think I was quoting Ancient Chinese Wisdom
Abortion is a fringe issue of the extremes. The people in the middle don’t care. They don’t want 9 month old’s being pulled from a womb into a chipper but they do want sensible availability. Alas, the silent middle majority is ignored as usual.
People claim this is a win for state’s rights. Well the states that are left will counter with full term availability in reaction to the no availability of the right. Not really a win for the right. Full term abortion may be a day’s drive away.
I had conservative “thinkers” tell me that government does not get to determine abortion regulations. Well, then the state government does. Not really a win for civil libertarians.
Everyone loses in these decisions cast as conservative wins. The court does not have the courage to confront litigation surrounding experimental vax mandates in both private and public sectors but they don’t mind making unwilling mothers’ lives inconvenienced.
And that’s all this is. An inconvenience. A day trip for a full term. Maybe even paid for by employer or insurer.
Meanwhile the swamp gets to pretend that they have assuaged some of the malaise. That people on the right can feel that the government can still work for them. Get their minds off the failed war against Russia, the imploding economy, the machinations of the technocrats.
They think the pendulum is swinging their way.
It sure looks that way right before it knocks you the fuck out
You pretty much nail it with that post, Edge Lord Mofo. Especially the 1st paragraph.
gotta say, the concerns are well stated. this whole thing has the feel of sleight of hand, with the added benefit that it gives the population one more thing to divide across yet another cross section.
i’m sure they would like an angry population in an ugly free for all rather than focused on the great reset, which by the way, is still proceeding nicely.
this fall we might be fight about food rationing. just turn off ebt for some real fun, but that will be the last thing that happens.
the flyover patriots are consistently the target of the bulk of the mayhem for the next 6 months.
They are giving the death jab to very young children, and the anti-abortion movement doesn’t even notice.
I think you are right about the middle. Edge.
My personal observation is that people who are on the “abortion is murder” side are maybe half of those opposed to abortion, the others are more of a “yeah, sure I’m against it” bunch who seem more motivated by disapproval of the women who get pregnant than any reverence for life.
Ronald Reagan is supposed to have said that an unborn child’s property rights are protected, but his right to life is not, but I never heard of a share of an estate going to someone who was never born, so there’s that.
But look! Everybody is talking about abortion, and most of them don’t even know what they are talking about.
I think the issue will settle down pretty quick, altho the Dems will be flogging the abortion meme right up until November. Like Mofo states above, “Abortion is a fringe issue of the extremes.”
Unlike say ‘the George Floyd Uprising’, which in Portland lasted 250 consecutive days and nights, irrevocably destroyed the city, and set off a spree of mayhem, murder, and vandalism that persists until this day.
I saw a cryptic TikTok vid last night. The woman was saying that Guns and Roe were 2 of 3 SCOYUS shoes to drop. She didn’t specify the 3rd one.
2020 Election?
Lots of rumours of flats of bricks delivered to 40 cities.
Especially Philly.
Could be “gay marriage” which is no more a constitutional right than abortion.
Gays always had the same right to marriage that anyone else had.
What they did not have the right to, IMO, was to have a societalal institution altered to suit them.
If they had demanded gay marriage, that to me would be fine; but no. The goal was to destroy marriage and replace it with some sort of partnership.
Right. That makes more sense as I do not think there is much for SCOTUS to actually reverse vis-a-vis the 2020 Election.
Reversing Gay Marriage would sure get the bricks flying.
beryl – well put. i recited objection to changing the marriage contract after the fact. illegal in any other contract law matter. its a standard contract, engaged in by many people, and changed in substance without the agreement of all participants.
in this case separate but equal could have worked just fine. every state legislature can and does tailor the particulars as it sees fit.
could be effectively exactly the same as marriage, or have some differences that parties to either contract might have found attractive, while being unimportant to their counterparts in the unrelated but similar contract.
the anti-abortion movement doesn’t even notice.
proof or its false.
Okay, show me the proof that they have noticed. I have not seen any, and I have been looking.
My local pregnancy help center, or whatever it is called, has talked about the recent court decision a LOT. They have not mentioned the vaccine issue.
i think this is all, starting with russia / ukraine, another effort to get our eyes off the most significant frackups the great reset is causing.
Very well said, and you can count me in that first paragraph.
It’s a win for state’s rights. That’s going to be very, very important in the future. Anything that strengthens the states is what we need. We need to split this thing up.
Well done, Jarek, for highlighting a massive issue. This gives more power back to the states and deepens the divide between the Sane States (Red) and the Crazy States (Blue). It will make the divorce easier.
I will lead my Red State against yours. Yours will be quickly over run with non-White refugees and changed, changed utterly, into a beast slouching towards my Capital to be born.
The entire issue was a distraction from our failure in Ukraine and domestic shitshow. I would almost bet we will see it reversed again when it’s served its purpose.
Rodulf, it can’t be reversed. Most Red States are not going to accept a return to federalised abortion any more than they are going to return to mask, jab and lockdown mandates. It’s over.
I still haven’t seen anyone running for office mention that these shots not only don’t work, they were never going to work, billions of people were experimented on without their consent, and they injections are killing people left and right.
How many are even raising the engineered famine as an election issue?
Billions of people were experimented on / that was the goal.
And depopulation. see how far the sheeple can be pushed.
Coax then push. The path of least resistance.
The Emperor’s New Clothes
Mass delusion writ large.
Mass formation, as Professor Desmet has noted.
Don’t worry, Beryl, I’m sure Trump will mention it at his next rally. Oh, wait….
i wonder if desantis will get the message “hands off the covid stuff”?
Is an election issue and election issue if it isn’t covered by the MSM?
Not “and”, “an”…
The Market Ticker guy wrote a good piece the other day-
When There Is No Recourse To The Law….
.. all you have left is violence.
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=246203
– [ ] Hey Jim, Many years no comment, but amused to see you’re still at it, the blog that is. For other readers I use to comment here 15 years ago or so, but left when the blog seemed to get overrun with racist comments, something Jim privately told me was “letting off steam” for those posters. In those days Jim was mostly obsessed with “the end of oil”, which of course, he was sure was imminent, and would reduce a few “survivors” to living in grass huts and learning to make flint pointed weaponry. I believe it was then almost universal among the numerous “geological scientists” on the board that oil doom would fall no later than 2012. Kinda like the Mayan calendar thing I guess. Anyway I see you are casting your net a lot wider these days and scooping up quite a load of doomers, knuckleheads and outright weirdos…you’re more popular! Of course, as was the case back then I didn’t completely disagree with the thesis, we will run out of oil at some point to be sure, but when is a real difficult nut to crack. I won’t bother commenting on all the conspiracies, bazaar allegations, and outright nonsense you currently dabble in, who’s got the time. Of course, like all really successful bullshit, there is an element of truth mixed into the overall thesis, we are living through difficult times, which could get a lot worse. I’m no fool I have emergency supplies. But you’re not helping Jim, you’re just making a lot of people anxious about a lot of shit they can’t do anything about, or making them believe there really “in the know”, not like those stupid normies. It’s a shame, you’re a good writer, (if a bit polemic), I loved the “Geography of Nowhere”, but unfortunately you’ve gone nowhere but down since.
You can’t stay in the middle of the road if you have to turn or the road ends. You have to choose. You don’t know what’s right except what the media tells you.
“You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that’s clear
I will choose free will”
– Neil Peart
Invictus
BY WILLIAM ERNEST HENLEY
Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.
In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.
Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds and shall find me unafraid.
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate,
I am the captain of my soul.
Jarek: Some day the Horror, the Horror will be changed into the Weight of Glory if you have bourn it well.
brilliant – thanks
I believe its you who has to choose, I’m comfortable with uncertainty.
“I loved the “Geography of Nowhere”, but unfortunately you’ve gone nowhere but down since.”
Bingo!! Hahahahahaha!
I love the idea of ‘bazaar allegations’ – has someone been shoplifting?
A real Nowhere Man, living in his Nowhere land. So of course he loved the Geography of Nowhere – a map of his own brain.
“…bazaar allegations…” ?
“From the mouths of babes…”
Perhaps you’ll like ‘Frankie goes to Nowhere’ too.
bitchute.com/video/sGLVYPAanqJw/
Oh wow from 2020!! Love it, thanks.
LOL!
More evidence that Mr. Kunstler is right over the target.
How did you know what’s going on around here after all this time? Finally, what good are you?
Carghoul or Take-a-Poo?
I think someone in their dotage has chosen to ignore the ominous truth, perhaps by hypnotism of the ever repeating lies on msm, fully jabbed and ready to sacrifice themselves and their loved ones to the beast.
Reminds me of Chinas old population strategy somehow, and look how that turned out.
In our insanity, we the weirdos have prepared with food, water, and faith. Cuz if you don’t believe in anything, you’ll believe anything, or what’s a Schwaubian for?
I wonder what Father Guido Sarduchi would have to say about now….
There are no non-believers, we all believe in something, just different things.
HaHaHa!…so I guess I can put you in the “in the know” category.
Likely. Tossed in silly misspellings and poor sentence construction to create the impression that the post is organic.
Could also be the Rednut Liberal, given how many handles he has also gone through.
I hadn’t really considered that Rednut could be a Shareblue troll (reasoning too poor, posts too unpolished), but I am beginning to change my mind.
That would make sense, inventing another sock that would agree with his crybully posts.
What a pair of self-satisfied wankers you two are. Hilarious.
Middleroad, sounds like it’s personal for you. Why not just go somewhere else that resonates more with you?
Not that personal, although I believe Jim is manipulative.
Middleroad
Your critique is fair enough as far as opinions go, however, your condescention warrants a middlefinger.
digitus impudicus.
Oh, and you been rat-holing emergency supplies cause you ain’t no fool,you been to school, pontificatin’ from can to can’t”….(apologies to Phil Ochs).
middleroad, Your above performance is beyond sad here, and so representative of a widely-available strain of self-satisfied vacuous bullying that I’m prompted to risk what will likely be a “little spit in the wind level of efficacy” response here. I encourage you to take this personally middleroad, and what I mean by that is take it in in conjunction with the exercise of a bit of self-reflexivity, asking yourself “in what ways and degrees am I (that means you in this case) a part of the problem?” You may ask yourself–probably not, but hey, I said I would risk a LITTLE spit here (as we’ll see, it’s important to read carefully)–ask yourself why might I recommend self-reflexivity. Well, it’s one of the rarest (and perhaps most valuable) markers of adulthood, especially now when (in so many discrete arenas too!) the question of what to do when there are no adults in the room arises almost daily.
Let’s minimize the wasted-time risk and rough this out–no need to polish or otherwise overwork this–we’ve seen the type that occupies the other end of this discussion many times. First, about 10 direct references (although one is implied) to yourself here! Quite a lot about YOU middleroad in a mere 11-odd sentences that presume to pass judgment regarding serious issues of the day and decades of serious writing, writing very apparently supported by extensive research and encompassing voluminous amounts of detail. And YOU are amused! WE are not. YOU won’t bother commenting; Ho ho sir–some gratuitous advice here: kindly keep silent! YOU the judge (“It’s a shame…you’ve gone nowhere but down”). Oh middleroad, one suspects either ignorance or laughable comic failure on your part at this point. One might be tempted to bet a tidy sum that you are not familiar with, just for example, the now-clearly prophetic and substantial analyses found in Mr. Kunstler’s The Long Emergency or Too Much Magic. No time for technical language here: middleroad, please take some time, get in the slow lane and think for a bit. We in fact have some very serious drivers here.
We’ve gone lightly here — no need to gently parse your spilling information shared with you in confidence–and that in regard to such an inflammatory subject. That, let alone your condescending stink reference to Mr. Kunstler as “still [being] at it”: it’s classic asshole, Sir. Please see to it.
No need to worry about me trolling your group, don’t have the time or interest. My post was to Jim himself whom I’ve had a couple passing exchanges with back in the day. As I mentioned before I believe there are certainly elements of truth to the thesis. My argument, if I have one, is the assurance everyone had 15-17 years ago (and now) that disaster was imminent. It’s always what you don’t see coming that gets you! Cheers and peace out.
Please see a brief assessment at martydav 6-28 2:26am.
@ middleroad:
Sounds like you are the kind of person who prefers to ignore objective reality if it makes them uncomforable. I suppose you normally drive around in your car with the oil light and check engine light on, the tank on fumes, the radiator overheating, and the brake pads grating against the rotors. And if one of your passengers expresses alarm, you accuse them of being a Nervous Nellie who is trying to make you “anxious about a lot of shit” you can’t do anything about.
Jim is addressing people who take note of such things and seek solutions or work-arounds.
But you state that you are “comfortable with uncertainty.” When Jim points out that there is steam billowing out from under the hood, you think, “What could it mean? I don’t know for sure, so I will assume all is well and keep driving.” This approach will certainly lead to some serious discomfort, such as finding yourself stranded on the freeway in an inoperable pile of junk. Other discomforts will ensue.
You will do the world a favor by not offering your advice.
“Sounds like you are the kind of person who prefers to ignore objective reality if it makes them uncomforable.”
This is interesting, in particular, the bizarrely overwrought analogy.
From this perspective (that is, not the CTNJ perspective), it appears that you guys (the CTNJs) can’t operate WITHOUT finding the next crazy, dumb and weird “thing about which to get anxious”.
You all seem to find a brand new anxiety generator each week to add to the huge panoply of anxieties you already carry. Good stuff and highly amusing.
Well, I see that you are far above concerning yourself with life-and-death matters.
“But you’re not helping Jim, you’re just making a lot of people anxious about a lot of shit they can’t do anything about, or making them believe there really “in the know”, not like those stupid normies. ”
I will posit that Jim is not ‘making a lot of people anxious”. These people are already anxious, and all Jim is doing is the semi-weekly red-meat ration (for the Patreon hits). I’d not even be surprised if we were to learn that he doesn’t believe all the bullshit he plays to.
Some people become concerned by things like unaffordable rent, unaffordable gas prices, and very high inflation rates–all of which are expected to go even higher. These things mean that many people will be homeless, afoot, and starving, even if your own situation is fairly secure. Some people are concerned by the immense amount of drug abuse and the resulting thousands of overdose deaths. Some people are worried about high crime. Some people don’t like to see sick people murdered by hospitals or babies murdered before birth.
Some people are concerned by the possibility of nuclear war.
These observations are a form of “situational awareness”–a habit of people who are prudent and exercise foresight and preparedness to the best of their abilities. They offer a guide to making wise life choices.
Some of those who are most interested in these matters are investors, so you often see the greatest interest and concern expressed on investment blogs. They seek to protect their 401Ks and other investment vehicles from the turmoil in the stock market. They may have rental properties. People who don’t have much (or anything) in the way of assets still have a need to protect themselves from societal decay and currency debasement. And they may have dear ones to protect: children or the elderly.
If your strategy is to remain oblivious to such matters, you do so at your own peril. But you are obviously not a person anyone would turn to for advice. You are not a grown-up. You are not a person upon whom the responsibility for the security, protection, and care of others rests. You are not a person who must make difficult financial decisions to that end.
This lack of responsibility–or refusal accept it–makes you a trivial and inconsequential person, or what is referred to in common parlance as a dipshit.
This appears to be a religious or quasi-religious view that you have embraced–and to which you actually have the nerve to try to convert others. You would have a lot better luck if you would proselytize somewhere else. Fools are kind of thin on the ground around here.
We might as well face it. We’ll all be working online and giant EMP event from the sun will occur and the military will have to step in.
“The support system for all that is going, going, gone and in the ensuing flux all that rousing self-actualization starts to look more like Thomas Hobbes’s war of all against all, a savage and pre-human state of nature. As this occurs, all human beings have to fall back on are modes of conduct that include a moral and ethical dimension, which is to say, what is right and what is wrong, not just what is allowed at a given moment.”
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“As that scaffold of techno-industrial comfort and safety disintegrates… we will likely have to settle for being human again, and in the best way, not the worst way. That includes a certain reverence for our nature and for each other. That suggests not killing children.”
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“A ruling Party of Chaos is doing absolutely everything to disorder our lives and there really is no generous interpretation for its motives. Everything it touches breaks, wilts, withers, splinters, rots, poisons, and infects the body politic, driving it deeper into derangement. It doesn’t even pretend to make sense because that would require making distinctions between what is true and what’s not true. We follow-the-science into pure evil.”
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“What awaits is the abandoned scaffold of the family and the community as opposed to the brute hierarchies of mere lonely, forsaken persons under the leviathan state and the behemoth corporation, which have produced mainly new kinds of cruelties”
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“Out of all that suffering will eventually come a new respect for human life and reconstructed relations between men and women, with all the abstruse ambiguities, pretensions, and nebulosities about sex put aside for some future age of decadence. It won’t require further agonizing reappraisals by any high courts to figure it out. Children are the consequence of sex. Children are required to carry on the human project.”
AMEN! This is one of Kunstler’s best articles to date. Such gems all throughout it….
Here’s my alternate, possibly simplistic take on the recent spate of conservative SCOTUS rulings.
Maybe it’s simple human psychology and we’ve got 5 or so Justices tired of being publicly threatened by the Executive and various other Marxist groups.
Maybe they’re doing this to show the Marxists their decisions can’t be influenced so easily.
Barnhardt’s friend, Nurse Claire
I have a few problems with this clip that recently aired on “Tucker Carlson Tonight”.
First, the suggestion that a fetus feels pain from 15-20 weeks is demonstrably false. In 1984, former abortionist Dr. Bernard Nathanson, then a pro-life convert, sought to show the world the brutality of abortion by airing actual video footage of a 12-week, ultrasound-guided abortion. In the video (which can be viewed here), the unborn child is clearly seen opening its mouth to scream, and recoiling from the abortionist’s instruments. My graduate school training in anesthesia taught that pain pathways as well as EEG brain waves were present in children as early as 9 weeks’ gestation, and probably sooner. So I take issue with the physician on Carlson’s show – his technical info isn’t exactly accurate.
And second: what is the point of this interview? Is the point to assert that murder is okay as long as it’s painless for the victim? Because if that’s the argument being made here, then I assure you the pro-aborts will push back with early-term “pain free” abortions using things like RU486, otherwise known as the abortion pill. And there are already abortionists out there touting their digoxin abortion methods, which involve injecting an unborn child with high-dose digoxin to stop the heart. The baby dies before the dismembering begins. These are sold to mothers as “painless”.
Out of charity, I will assume Tucker is airing this interview to offer some perspective on the brutality of abortion and the humanity of the unborn, who have been so thoroughly dehumanized for the last several decades. Most militant pro-abortionists do not care about the pain felt by unborn children. But, I do think there is a younger generation out there who truly are so intellectually lazy that they haven’t realized exactly what an abortion entails. Or they think of the fetus as some magical sleeping baby that neither perceives nor feels anything until it takes its first breath. So I’ll give Tucker credit for trying to start that conversation.
However, as pro-lifers, we must be vigilant not to fall into these arguments. Arbitrary conditions on abortion, such as “is the fetus feeling pain” or “is there a heartbeat” are logical fallacies – avoid these traps. In a conversation I had with Dr. Beep earlier today, he pointed out that sedating people to death is also “painless”, just like two-to-the-back-of-the-head of your political enemy. These atrocities are still murder regardless of how pain-free they may be for the victims.
And as for the heartbeat argument: life begins at conception. Full stop. The heartbeat laws enacted in several states are nice, but they do not acknowledge nor do they prevent the earliest abortions that are happening every day: abortifacient contraceptive pills, IUDs, and the “morning after” pill.
Let us celebrate the overturning of Roe while still being mindful that a tremendous uphill battle faces us. Our culture is a thoroughly pagan one, so we must articulate carefully that abortion is always wrong no matter the method or circumstances.
Nurse Claire
Jarek: The horror. The horror. The most dangerous place on Earth is the womb.
Btw, Nurse Claire is a ferocious opponent of the Vax as is Barnhardt herself.
I’ll bet she’s all about mutilating the penises of newborn baby boys, though.
Who cares if they can feel pain, amirite? They need to be “hygienic” (which is a lie, just like the ”fetuses can feel pain at 9 weeks. No, the nervous system is not developed enough at that point).
if that comment doesn’t get suburbanelk to respond, he’s not watching. agreed, by the way. they practically tried to force us to mutilate our son very soon after he was born.
Agree. Circumcision is a terror initiation to start hardening little boys into killers. Can’t get them started too soon!
But you don’t deny that fetuses do feel the agony, at least later. Is your stony heart moved? Not in the slightest! What happened to you?
I do agree that fetuses can feel pain after their nervous system is developed to that degree.
I just know that it happens well after the first trimester.
you know that? personal experience?
justanotherguy has no idea what a nervous system is – and how it has to be intact to work and feel.
Priceless.
Jarek
Tucker’s description is nothing compared to the brutality of a late term abortion.
Needles in, suck out the brain. Step 1.
Crush the skull to allow easy extraction. Step 2
Extraction. Step 3.
I cannot see how anyone can say they are a Christian or even believe in God and participate in such a gruesome procedure.
As folks approach old age, they review their lives. I sure would hate to have butchery of a viable fetus in my past because I might have been inconvenienced. I wonder why women who have done this deed thirty years ago are not interviewed. I wonder what percentage are now pro-life?
Looking at the polls, the main thing that has swayed the public against abortion is the late term butchery.
“Out of all that suffering will eventually come a new respect for human life and reconstructed relations between men and women, with all the abstruse ambiguities, pretensions, and nebulosities about sex put aside for some future age of decadence.”
Humanity will have reached a final stage of become de-human-ed when it collectively views the taking of another human life as a God-given right to be protected and codified into Civil Law for all Eternity.
‘I choose to be free to live my life and be free! And if I have to take a life to do that… so be it!’
Look, the whole abortion issue is complicated in some ways… and simple in others.
Women have a very complicated life. The first problem: They have to deal with men. And… This Just In: Men are NOT easy to please and get along with. Particularly when it involved their Johnsons.
Men are quite preoccupied with their Johnsons. Like… day and night preoccupied with them.
And where do most Johnsons end up? Inside of a woman.
And men DO NOT like to wear… ‘That Thing’. Why, it’s clumsy and doesn’t feel good! And I want to feel good!
And so… to please men… Women accept these Johnsons often without using protection. And surprise, surprise… little new lives appear! Wonder how that happens?
For very many couples this is a great blessing to be cherished. To many other couples… this is a dark, dark day which must be dealt with and quickly. And how do many of them deal with this either… miracle or curse? They choose to end that young life THEY CREATED.
This is where the whole abortion issue gets simple. It’s not just the Woman. Women have not yet found out a way to get themselves pregnant without Outside Help. And usually, that help is with a Man and his very eager Johnson.
So, it’s not just My Body My Choice. It is THREE LIVES, ALWAYS involved here. It’s a package deal. You can’t just separate out one of the Lives over the others.
And if ‘My Body My Choice’ is a valid argument… then how about also for the new young life that was created? Do They have the same right to say… MY (NEW YOUNG) BODY AND MY CHOICE (TO LIVE OR NOT)?
No, sadly. They get NO SAY.
And that is where the central argument for abortion falls apart. If ONE of the Three Lives in this equation gets a say in this… then THE OTHER TWO need to have an EQUAL say. And this does not happen when young life is extinguished with the ease of pulling a tooth out.
Yes, Women have a rough road in all this. They have to deal with Men and Their Johnsons. And Men like what They like. And so… things happen.
So the final decision is a stark one: Preserving Life… or ending it.
Men have to step up and be way more responsible when using their Johnsons. And Woman need to take all steps they can for themselves not to create Life when They have no intention of honoring that life.
But if Life is created… it is still Life.
And in the end… we are either a People who honor and respect Life… or we don’t.
And if we don’t value Life… then that is hardly a World worth our time living in. Because that sets a precedent for other things to be codified that do not value… and even erase… Life.
Bottom Line: We all need to step up and do a way better job of dealing with this matter of human intimacy and its severe consequences than we have been doing. And not just only after new life has been created… but WAY BEFORE that.
Personal freedom and choice is a God-given right of Life. But so is… Life Itself. We should NEVER allow ourselves to be in situations where these two God-given rights to come into conflict. They never have to if we would be smart enough to never place ourselves into that terrible dilemma.
Well said in general. An equal say? So she can’t get an abortion is the man says he wants it? Or she can make him pay for the next twenty years if he doesn’t want it?
Take possession and/or dispose of your condoms immediately. Don’t leave them lying around. Sperm jacking is a real thing. Women have gotten pregnant from used condoms by malign intent.
“Men are NOT easy to please” – but women are?
one of the funniest moments of that context was when the rapper drake put some ghost pepper sauce in his used rubber before depositing it in the bathroom wastebasket.
momnets later, cue his date screaming bloody murder, my (pussy) is on fire. lolz ensue.
“An equal say? So she can’t get an abortion is the man says he wants it? Or she can make him pay for the next twenty years if he doesn’t want it?”
Both of them have a moral duty to make sure it NEVER GETS THAT FAR. And if it does, They need to find a much better solution than the erasure of a young life. Because the erasure of SOME innocent life opens the door wide open to the erasure of LOTS of innocent lives. Jabs, anyone? Wars for ‘Democracy!?’ And other reasons that the Dark Powers can conjure for ‘Our Good’.
“Men are NOT easy to please” – but women are?
We know the answer to that one. But here’s the thing. It is a physiological fact that most women do not get To The Promised Land through the use of the man’s Johnson alone. The path to glory is… another area for most women.
So the question becomes… why are women allowing the Johnsons in? Because the man demands it. And when the man gets to The Promised Land… that’s when the young innocent life enters the World of the Living.
So the man made a choice. The woman made her choice. And the innocent life… who had NO SAY in all this… now has entered the same World of the Living as the man and woman who made their choices.
The bottom line is that people must do a much better job of managing their intimate relations. THAT is where the real problem has always been.
The reason that abortion became the National Civil War that it has become is because men and women have done a terrible job of managing their ‘business’.
Can’t disagree with that. As Adams said, our Constitution was meant for a moral people and no other.
The Founders didn’t dream of this kind of morality, but we must dream of it and dream well.
Where are you on Paula’s argument anent life unworthy of life?
Of course the problem as ever is mission gallop. Paula tends to think all life is unworthy of life. A Handmaid of the Extinction Rebellion sans red robe.
In other words and apart from Paula, what of mothers who wish late abortion because their baby is obviously going to be very defective.
Only a very rich society can afford to take care of people like this I’m afraid. And it could easily sink individuals or couples.
“Paula tends to think all life is unworthy of life. A Handmaid of the Extinction Rebellion sans red robe.”
The fact is that while the ongoing conversations about Life and who has rights to say about who should live or perish are critically important within the Human Drama… outside forces are going to have a big say over this whole Life matter and partially make the whole discussion void.
Our energy supplies are running out. Our food supplies are dwindling. High prices are making medical care unaffordable. Children are eating unhealthy foods during the development stage of their bodies. So are adults as they get older. The once healthy desire to have and raise stable families is becoming something out-of-date and just another reflection of…(drumroll please)… ‘White Privilege’! Aka… BAD! BAD!
We have a toxic and poisonous political and social atmosphere in our World that saps our spirit. We think more now in terms of just making it to next week instead of having hope about the future and big dreams to aspire to.
And let’s not forget the ongoing program of human erasure being conducted by Deep Dark Globalist Forces to rid the Planet of all the billions of ‘Unworthy’.
In short… the resolution about the preservation of Life is taking a back seat to the ongoing Erasure of Life on Planet Earth.
We will still be debating about a ‘Woman’s Right to Choose’ while we slowly starve to death and suffer ill health from toxic injections and lack of decent medical care.
Sort of like arguing about seating arrangements on the Titanic while everyone goes down into the drink.
All Life is sacred. Or, none of it is.
@ Jarek:
“what of mothers who wish late abortion because their baby is obviously going to be very defective?”
The Amish have a very high incidence of children born with Downs Syndrome and cystic fibrosis (plus several others). They manage, and have even ebraced the idea that a Downs Syndrome child is a blessing. These and the other birth defects common to the Amish/Mennonites are genetic and result from inbreeding.
My view is that you don’t kill someone due to a defect or illness.
Ant: Many of them have become prosperous and with their many children, have the labor force to take care of such people.
It will not be so with us for a long time, and maybe no longer with them either.
Some of the retarded can do some work, and of course a family farm is the perfect place for that.
@ Jarek:
A couple of years ago a young black woman asked me if I would show her how to make soap. She came out to my house in BFE a couple of times, and we had some interesting conversations. One of them was about the Amish. She had apparently seen a documentary on TV that disparaged them for declining modern conveniences, had decided that were a bad lot, and was repeating what she saw on TV.
My reply: “Hey, they’re prosperous and I’m not.”
It’s worthwhile to consider WHY they are prosperous–and this is despite using labor methods that are not highly efficient. it’s not just because they have many children. The main reason is that most of us here in the modern “English” world have around 90% of our labor products stolen from us. The mechanisms for this are well known, so I don’t suppose I need to elaborate on that.
You can prosper on a low income if you’re not paying for rent, utilities, car payments, gas, medical insurance, cable TV, cell phones, a vast array of other consumer goods, and college for the kids. It saves you quite a bundle if your children are born at home, attended by the Amish midwife. A lot of people among us “English” have to think pretty hard about having kids, just because of the hospital bill.
It helps too if you produce most of your own food, so that food inflation affects you very little or not at all. And if you’re running a little Amish store/grocery business, you are getting whatever stuff you can’t produce at wholesale prices. And if you’re Amish and buy from the Amish store, you’re getting bargain prices, as these stores don’t have the overhead expenses of our supermarkets here in the “English” world.
Heck, you can even afford kids!
Round ball
Problem is
The American populace is a very immoral place where the control of the Johnson’s and female equivalents are not in place.
Your aim point in your solution is much too high, IMHO.
If you would like to see the value placed on human life increase, you are going to have to do something about the artificially wide-open floodgates on the supply-side.
Anyone noticed that Q is “back”? Cue the Trust the Plan, Where One Goes We All Go brigade. We’re saved!
He was just on a cruise, for pete’s sake.
He was just on a cruise – Paula
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I have various snippets to report concerning this cruise. I will relate them in small doses as they come to mind.
First: this was a cruise of the Great Lakes on a Viking ship called the Octantis. We cruised through lakes Michigan, Huron, and Superior. The ship, launched just this year, is a marvel of design built with an amazing degree of fit and finish. It is also a scientific lab on water. I won’t attempt to define what that means but perhaps you can Google info about the ship.
For 8 days we were treated and attended to better than any king, pharaoh, or potentate. Such attention is actually embarrassing.
I have no idea what your comment means.
He was talking about Qanon, Q. Shitk.
And I was just joking.
at a “pride” event – somebody above mentioned
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I have trouble keeping abreast… are we in the midst of Pride week, month, year, or decade?
yes.
when everything is pride, nothing is pride.
After the pride must come the shame. One can only wonder what that will look like, as these young miscreants grow up and realize in middle age what a mess they’ve created. Boy, won’t they have fun! I wonder if the inevitable conservative backlash will be equally as destructive?
You are correct. Pride is 1 of the 7 Deadly Sins.
Being Prideful of men fellating men and of men fornicating men is Biblical sick. Soddom- and Gamorah-type wicked sick.
God is not pleased.
Abortifacient A drug, herb, chemical or other substance that dilates the cervix and causes the uterus to contract, resulting in spontaneous termination of pregnancy.
Fringe obstetrics A potentially toxic herb—e.g., pennyroyal, black cohosh, blue cohosh, parsley, and tansy, which evoke spontaneous abortion
Pharmacology An agent that induces the expulsion of an embryo or fetus, e.g., prostaglandin E1 analogues—misoprostol, gemeprost
Segen’s Medical Dictionary. © 2012 Farlex, Inc. All rights reserved.
As I understand it, the Pill is an abortifacient or an agent of abortion, albeit at a very early stage and thus a mercy compared to what we’ve been talking about.
Another excellent article! Thank you, James.
I would absolutely love to see a return to some sort of sanity, difficult as the circumstances will be, throughout humanity & especially western civ. Everything now is so superficial and fakey, and nauseatingly stupid.
I hope PornHub explodes into the ether so kids won’t have access to that horrible life-ruining stuff. I hope that the transgender agenda falls on its ass, and stops peer-pressuring kids to believe they’re in the wrong body. I hope the ‘influencer’ industry tanks and stupid condescending know-nothings in glitter stop indoctrinating kids into narcissism and shallowness and the promise of fame, fortune and megamansions.
Children are the future, and this society is treating them horribly. That needs to change.
you forget to wish and end to the cancer of feminism.
And the “nauseatingly stupid” Prideful Belief that one’s own self and one’s own words are perfect and irreproachable even after being proven Wrong.
This is not the real OG Hawkins, but a mummer mofo.
No. It is I.
Rusty, granted.
Oh sorry. Welcome back!
Radical feminism is spectacular, so why would I wish that? Do your own wishing. No one cares.
keep telling yourself that as the backlash continues to develop. it did not have to be this way.
an example of advanced feminist thought: “The white race is the cancer of human history.” Susan Sontag
Meh.
Stupid men love commenting on things they know nothing about and have cherry-picked quotes they like, usually out of context.
got me there.
Susan Sontag must be older than dirt by now.
Excellent points, Mary.
The attacks on children go far beyond the poison GMO injectible.
It’s insidious, constant and far-reaching. I don’t know how parents are managing, or teachers.
I remember when known sex harasser Matt Lauer kept trying to make a big, big deal out of Russia’s “anti-gay proselytizing” at the Sochi Olympics.
He brought in a gay athlete or two to talk about how this was such a threat to their well being or something.
Putin said then that it was aimed at protecting children. So he knew what was what, way back then. I personally did not know at that time, just how bad the LBTQ movement had it in for the kids.
I have not seen that gays make up any more of the convicted child molesters than straight people, statistics-wise.
However, the transgender-identified men? The percentage is VERY high.
mary, the statistics and simple observation are clear. its always been about the young ones.
i like how you white knight for gay men – its transparently absurd, and you lack the self awareness to see the absurdity.
or maybe you’re just playing, idk…
Well, I just follow statistics.
Try it sometime.
I’ve known a lot of gay men, some of them quite well, and I have never seen any indication that they are inclined to pedophilia. I’ve seen some indications of an indifference to whether the object of their interest is over or under 18–as is often the case with heterosexual men. There is often a cluster of young men hanging around outside gay bars. The reason they are not inside the gay bar is because they are under 21, and the reason they are hanging around is prostitution. Are some of them under 18? Probably. Do some gay men (typically older ones) have a special interest in the younger guys? Yes–just as some older hetrosexual men have a preference for much younger women.
That said, I think the real problem is that the gay rights movement, like the feminist movement and the civil rights movement, has long been co-opted by government (or genuinely Satanic) entities. These movements were not necessarily bad things in themselves, as long as they stuck to seeking and promoting fairness. Fairness is a good thing.
But due to being co-opted, these movements now promote attitudes, values, and policies that are NOT good things. I won’t bother to list these, since they are right up in our faces every day.
The main result of these movements allowing themselves to be co-opted is that they have long operated to disadvantage the very people they claim to be “liberating.”
The main people who were liberated by feminism were men, who were liberated from all social, sexual, financial, and moral responsibility.
We can see the results of the civil rights movement on the well-being of blacks–whose lives were better in 1955 than they are now.
Gays too are going to pay a steep price for effectively allying themselves with those who attack children, family, and traditional culture in general, and with the promoters of various kinds of rather more serious degeneracy. They have already paid a pretty steep price for leading hypersexualized lifestyles, in that almost all the gay men I knew in my youth have been dead for years. Most didn’t make it past their thirties. Of the two gay men I knew “back in the day” who are still living, one has been in a monogamous relationship for about 30 years, and the other has been celibate for about the same length of time.
Part of the degradation of society is the abortion issue, on both sides.
I grew up in California where, thanks to Ronald Reagan, abortion was legal before it was legal nation-wide (and also legal before I ever needed it).
So when I got pregnant I knew I had a choice. I never chose to have an abortion, but the comfort of knowing I could, in the panic of finding out I was pregnant, forced me into a deliberate choice to have the baby.
Therefore, I felt emotionally obligated to do the best mothering I could, as I saw it.
I think that the Millennials are a product of that mindset, a bunch of spoiled and coddled children turning out to be narcissists. Ooops.
But then the backlash started, led by the same Reagan who signed the California law. The Southern Baptists who had a pro-choice platform in the 70s jumped onboard.
And now you have had a couple of generations of girls and women convinced by the bullshit you can peruse above, who firmly believe that when they get pregnant their ONLY responsibility to that embryo is to carry it to term. And so they do. And then they drop that little baby off with whoever will take it for hours, days or weeks, grandma, auntie, cousin, day care, whatever.
So now you have a bunch of anti-social, unnurtured young humans running around trying to get adult attention with pronouns, purple hair and violence.
I don’t see any improvement.
I also don’t see any need to produce the 8 billionth human on a dying planet, especially in a dysfunctional society about to violently disintegrate.
We aren’t going to magically turn into stable responsible citizens looking out for each other and protecting and nurturing the youngest among us.
Not gonna happen. Best to not bring your own child into the mess.
Good Extinction Rebellion propaganda, Paula. Do you have your red robes yet?
You making any babies, Jarek?
Hahahahaa!
The zing’s on you too.
Hahahahaha.
Thus do the female Bonobos attack. Thank God real civilizations are male dominated like the Chimps.
both of my sons can spot the likes of you two from miles away. we laugh about their opener lines for meeting nice girls.
they say to the girl “i’m going to say three words, and i’d like to hear the first thing that comes to your mind. ready? feminism is cancer”.
filters out the crazy ones pretty fast. i also remind them, ‘don’t stick your dick in crazy’. the boys at school have taken it all to heart and share the wisdom with a smile.
and i’ll add that if either of you want civil conversation or debate, simply accepting that the rejection of feminism is an acceptable pov, we can.
i enjoy civil discourse, and appreciate intelligence. bet at least one of you will be interested.
Well Jarek, I’m not an incel.
That is what prompted the laughter.
Speaking on behalf of all females who are not chained to a stove in their kitchen to satisfy you & your sons’ preferences, might I say, “thank you.”
An ad hominem. You lose.
not to defend jer*k, but which of you is on the post wall, wine and cats slide? not kids? sad but resolved and rationalizing? both? thought so.
At this point all you’re doing is harassing people. You absolutely do not want a discussion or debate on feminism. You’re just hurling insults. So, I’ll just be scrolling past your beyond ignorant comments henceforth. Enjoy your circle-jerk!
make an defensible assertion in favor of your position, you’ll get polite conversation. play insults, and its right back at you.
i can leave the insults in favor of reasoned debate, but right now, it looks like that is beyond you.
same challenge as yesterday, feminism is cancer, change my mind – any ‘wave’ any issue.
Demonstrably false, as anyone can see by scrolling up.
You started right in with insults.
Are you delusional?
That seems to be going around these days.
Another angry manlet.
i started with the simple premise that feminism is cancer. you take that as misogyny, and an invalid position for a sincere man to have.
i’m starting to feel bad about offering this position to debate with you, as it seems like you might not have the ability.
Feminism taken to the extreme may be a cancer, but feminism as a tool for empowering women to make choices that might not be acceptable under prevailing social “norms” is a good thing.
The concept of the career woman, for example, simply works for many women. Others want children and to be a homemaker — some do both; some do neither.
That’s life.
Night: That’s also radical individualism, as if Society doesn’t influence people and that these women made up their own minds.
Bullshit. The media raves about the glories of Career, so women go that way – to the detriment of our civilization for the most part, and of course, of their very selves.
There would be a rational way to do both, but no one is interested. It would have to be a societal change. Women marrying young and then going back to Work once the kids were in school, etc. Instead we have women going crazy as their clock ticks down and trying to get married and have kids after their looks and metabolism have already started to decline.
So? So many of the smartest have no children at all. Certainly not as many as the unwed dummies. Thus do we decline.
Jarek,
I agree about the push to get women out of the house from the string-pullers. I don’t view that as positive at all.
The problem is, some women really don’t want to be mothers, and some want it but also want to do more with their lives.
I am married to one who may have prioritized the career a bit too much at the start, but she herself found her way to a happy medium.
I don’t think there is an easy solution, unfortunately.
And then they drop that little baby off with whoever will take it for hours, days or weeks, grandma, auntie, cousin, day care, whatever. – Paula
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That is not my experience.
My first kid and his wife have 2 boys (ages 10 and 9). I would describe them as helicopter parents. They literally have never left them overnight with anyone, not even either set of grandparents. I don’t approve of this but keep my mouth shut.
They do activities as a family every weekend. There doesn’t seem to be anything these boys haven’t been exposed to… lessons of every sort, from judo to musical instruments, etc. The mother was elected PTA President and also works as a substitute teacher where the boys go to school.
I probably see a different set of people than you do, Q. But props to your son and daughter-in-law. I’m sure their kids will turn out better than the ones whose parents can’t be bothered.
They probably chose to reproduce, right?
I am talking about all those not-too-bright women who truly fall for the kind of “life begins at conception” bs spewed by the clueless.
I think that people back in the day were much more practical.
They probably chose to reproduce, right? – Paula
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Oh yes, absolutely. In fact they had trouble conceiving and spent some big bucks to do whatever it was that finally worked.
Add to that, what my friend the HS teacher said. Parents got super busy and their kids became accessories or second thoughts, and not their main focus. They started dropping off the kids and writing them off ’til 6 at night or whatever, forcing teachers to start having to parent the kids.
Now some really creepy groomers are in there, and the kids trust teachers more than their own parents, who are too busy to talk to them about adolescence, etc.
Talk about a recipe for disaster.
“Add to that, what my friend the HS teacher said.”
public hs teacher by any chance? anyone listening to anything said by someone that is likely a member of the cursed nea deserves to be fooled.
feminism requires unhappy women, failed families, big daddy government, and weak men. sound like a recipe for success to me.
I’m guessing you have a dick the size of a thimble. Nothing else justifies this much vitriol.
no, its not that big.
you want to exchange on substantial matters, i’m game. you invited this and now you got nothing but wiseass, feminist.
now go get me a sammich.
Go get yourself a sammich.
I’m pretty sure that’s what you do anyway, thus the vitriol.
We’re not your mommy.
My wife would be classified a feminist by many, yet we have quite a successful household by conventional standards.
We both have our strengths and weaknesses, and we work together to solve shit.
It’s pretty easy when the individuals involved aren’t damaged to the point of becoming a nut.
That’s how my husband and I do, too, NO.
It’s sad to see the flailing of those who can’t grasp that concept.
I might add, now what women have to deal with just for trying to discuss women’s issues in public places is threats from MRAs, TRAs, and Antifa. Mostly men. The police don’t protect us either, as they would groups of precious men who claim they are more oppressed than we are. Laughable.
But that’s OK with the women-haters in this forum. They seem to delight in women being silenced at any cost.
Thankfully, their Handmaid’s Tale utopia is not going to come easily.
And FWIW, seeing the unbridled misogyny up here just makes me want to work harder to fight it. So I do.
@ Paula D:
I don’t think too many people view their child as “8 billionth human on a dying planet.” The idea that this is “a dying planet” is mostly NWO propaganda anyway. Perhaps there is an imbalance in the way of life-forms, and it does seem like there is an excessive number of people on some parts of the planet. Some other parts of the planet have too few. Around here, we have a superabundance of trees, a surplus of rabbits–and the grass is too damn high. The cabbage worms have been dealt with. No amount of diligence seems to affect the raccoon problem, and it will soon be the season for Japanese beetles.
There has probably always been an imbalance of some sort among the life-forms on earth, just as the climate has always changed. The rabbits and squirrels are not throwing up their little paws in horror and declining to have babies because someone in DC or on TV told them the planet was dying. And when you come right down to it, you don’t really know any more about it than they do.
I grew up in LA and watched the hills be covered with houses, the freeways be built only to be jammed with traffic, the orange groves bulldozed, the farmfields “developed”. I sat in traffic jams and stood in long lines for hours. I saw the sprawl spread all the way up to Santa Barbara and down to San Diego.
Getthefuckouttahere with your “you don’t know what you’re talking about” bullshit.
You obviously don’t know what you are talking about.
The oceans are dying from over-fishing, acidification and plastic particles. The forests are razed, the water aquifers are being emptied, the topsoil is almost gone, the fields are poisoned with herbicides and pesticides and still the humans spread out over the desert demanding that the authorities provided them with more water, deep fried chicken and air conditioning.
Multiple species have gone extinct while humans breed like rabbits and talk about how very, very special they are.
I am not impressed.
Re: “most people will not read Justice Alito’s carefully crafted arguments about what the constitution says or doesn’t say about abortion,”
Anyone who thinks Justice Alito’s arguments will be carefully crafted has never read one of his decisions. I read a bunch of them when he was nominated by the USSC. I was appalled. I wouldn’t accept that kind of logic from a school child.
Having said that, Roe vs. Wade was built on shaky ground at best. It will be interesting to see what the future brings on this subject. But you can bet it won’t be “the government should keep its big nose out of people’s private lives.”
The happy news is Jim is that Traditionalism will win, eventually. It must– by the irrevocable and irresistible nature of human beings– which is the one constant through out all of of human history.
There is no “progression” towards something else. That is a complete and utter fantasy. It’s a lie.
We may live in families composed of mothers and fathers. Or we may have families composed of mothers and fathers, with grandparents, and with uncles and aunts with their children nearby.
But what is the commonality there? mothers and fathers. Families in close proximity to each other.
In other words, blood related family units. This is how humans have lived for hundreds of thousands of years. This isn’t changing anytime soon. Even though the Party of Chaos and “progressives” would love to tell you otherwise. Again, it’s pure fantasy.
We aren’t “transcending” anything. Hate to break that to anyone out there.
Humanity is armored men with sharp swords. And Will. And Blood. And meat being cooked over communal fires, or the smell of freshly baked bread, just coming out of an oven.
There is Transcendence, but not so much real progress. But a good post. I can smell the bread and the meat. What kind of meat I wonder?
well
‘transhumanism’ or rather the creation of human/AI is a dead end.
…and any type of red meat, obviously
🙂
The Blood is the Life
Any type? Even the kind that you cannot raise nor buy (Lovecraft)?
For more information, read the Terrible Old Man or watch The Naked Prey.
well said. combine that with humans blessedly free of demons whispering envy and dissatisfaction in their ears, and we might see this in our lifetimes.
getting there will be painful though – that will require giving up insane ideas contrary to human nature.
I don’t ever think it will be ‘easy’ for humanity, ever.
We were never meant for ‘easy’ life. The universe is the literal boot stomping on the human face, forever.
If the human race gets anywhere, it is clawing thru all the shit, and muck, and bones.
and since we’ve mostly forgotten that in our civilized ease, we fail and set ourselves up for more tough lessons.
atoning with God and human nature is where we always get back to. i feel the clouds clearing.
I’ll mess up this link to get it through moderation, if I can. Take out the word ‘dot’.
Gaze upon the younger generation in all their glory.
htyoutube dot.com/watch?app=desktop&v=PBInNGgdF2M&fs=e&s=cl
Also the ‘ht’ at the beginning.
Oh my gawd. This young generation is so effed.
and feminism was the first step down that path.
now offer your offhand stockholm syndrome reply…
Perhaps I should be flattered that you’re so obsessed with me, but I’m not.
riiiiighhhttttt.
FYI JAG – You can either say things that Mary likes and approves of or you are decreed obsessed with her. Those are your choices if you so choose to try and have a rational discussion with Mary. A or B.
Sad but True.
i believe there’s an actual person in there, behind the self deception necessary to justify the unwanted consequences of a dysfunctional world view – feminism.
No wonder you had such a catastrophic divorce
Crusher by his own admission, he was a complete drunk during his marriage, and his kids had to see that.
But she’s the ‘bitch’
As usual.
how cliche.
i’d rather keep a running tally of the successes and positives of people generally, and here too, since i like the crowd and the conversation generally.
how about you mary?
Right, Crusher. You’ve got it all figured out. I am unJustly out over $1,500,000 on account of all manner of lies, deceits, reneges (contract breaches), Rights Violations, crimes and Human Rights Violations including a crooked judge and traitorous counsel but I deserved it, Right? I deserved it because I identified and pointed out Mary’s m.o.
Good thinkin’, Bud.
You & O.G. have managed to destroy the really great balance we’ve enjoyed here in the comments section for the past 6 months.
Congrats!
The drunk returns. LOL.
Pffft.
you can post drunk anytime, as far as i’m concerned. more bigger lulz for all.
To err is human, to forgive, divine.
I have not had a sip of alcohol since April 2020 (praise God!) but I am still marginalized and ridiculed as “a drunk.”
it is all deflection, Mary. We all know that.
You are a Prideful woman who would never apologizes for anything ever. Dried up. Childless. Self-centred.
My critique stands:
You either tell Mary what she wants to hear or you are obsessed with her. That is, either way, everything is all about Mary.
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Both can be True, you know. I drank because I was stuck with a bitch. TruStory
ogh, good on you.
i’d share my own dad’s story, but here in the open, i think one or two scorekeepers would file the little details away and spring them one small, bitter day.
good luck and best wishes on your sobriety.
Thx, JAG. Much appreciated.
Drunks and addicts are big on forgiving, that is, for people to forgive them no matter what they do.
Substance abuse is like the golden ticket! No responsibility ever. Because, you can’t help it.
Then when your circumstances collapse because you cause it you STILL blame others.
What a racket.
One of my friends was in a long-term (gay) relationship with an alcoholic and attended Al-Anon meetings for about ten years. He was a group leader for many of those years. I got to hear a lot about alcoholism and the way it affects the SO and other family members–and how to deal with the alcoholic.
One of the main characteristics of an alcoholic is to refuse to take responsibility for their own actions and to continually blame others for their actions and try to force others to take responsbility for them. Their whole life strategy is to force co-dependency on everyone else, but usually especially on their SO. All their fuck-ups are someone else’s fault and fixing them is someone else’s responsibility.
What Al-Anon does is to teach the co-dependent SO and other family members is to refuse to accept the co-dependency role and constantly force the alcoholic to bear the consequences of his own actions. They really drill it into you that YOU are not responsible for the actions of others, and THEY are responsible for themselves.
Another thing that Al-Anon teaches people is that, even if the alcoholic gives up drinking, the “alcoholic personality” persists for a LONG time afterward. They will continue to evade responsibility and still try to blame others (mainly the SO) and try to force them to accept responsibility for the alcoholic’s actions.
You see something similar in people who have kicked opiates after many years of addiction, but what you see in these cases is someone who has lost maybe 10-15 years of their life–who is, say, 32 years old and is no more mature than a 12-year-old. They may even be a pretty nice 12-year-old. But all the lessons, and the maturity and life experience that should have been gained during the years of addiction is missing. It’s like they have awakened from suspended animation.
Quickly perused the comments here
I just have to give a shout out to Q for not chiming in on the one spelling error in the blog today. I’ve found it.
Good job, Q!
ha ha ha
that was cruel, funny and welcoming all at once. well done.
Danny Bonaduce is back to work after being off for a couple of months with a “mysterious” “stroke-like” ailment whereby he could neither walk nor talk.
Weird, Right? I wonder what on Earth could have caused such a medical mystery.
it’s caused by SADS – Sudden Adult Death Syndrome. There! That’s all we need to know.
The plusses and minuses of the cruise experience.
Getting to the ship and home again via airplane before and after the cruise was a nightmare. The cruise itself was a dream.
We flew from Newark Aprt to Milwaukee where the cruise began and then returned home in 2 steps from Thunder Bay, ON to Toronto and from there to Newark. Actually, that’s not true. There was a fuck-up which caused us to have to buy our own tickets and fly to LaGuardia. We have not yet begun the process of recovering our airfare and other expenses from Viking. I don’t expect any problem since they seem to fall all over themselves to please the customer. We shall see.
If YOU are planning a vacation for this summer it is my advice to avoid air travel. Use a car to get to where you’re going. Each airport we were in (Newark, Milwaukee, Thunder Bay, LaGuardia) was an unbelievable hive of people. You would typically be advised to arrive at the airport 2 hours before flight time but that would be cutting it too close… be there 3 hours ahead.
You know how they set up these cattle chute mazes? I swear the first such maze wound around for at least 500 yards. You stand and inch forward, rolling your wheeled luggage endlessly. You have to be adept with electronic terminals and devices. I am not. You have to be able to hear and understand airline employees wearing masks. I had to almost beg them to lower their masks so I could read lips. Even then I would have been lost without my wife to get their endless instructions.
Each airport we were in (Newark, Milwaukee, Thunder Bay, LaGuardia) – Q.
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Oops, I left out Toronto. How could I forget Toronto? It was the worst!
The Canadians are still obsessed with Covid prevention. They simply will. not. give. up. on the masks.
Actually, on the final leg (Toronto to LaGuardia) I was amazed and relieved when the gay steward, Jose, announced over the PA syst that masks were now optional but they highly recommended wearing the masks for the safety of all concerned (more on Jose later). I immediately ripped off the mask which pulled the hearing aids from my ears, etc. etc.
Toronto? It was the worst! – Q.
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What with my arthritic knees and hips all this standing and inching forward through endless cattle chutes was taking a toll on me. Advice from family members (my wife was texting them every detail [“Q. just farted and thinks he may have to take a dump… we hope we find a men’s room in time.”] and they were responding) was “for God’s sake get him a wheel chair!!”
And so, here is my best advice for avoiding the endless hassles of the airports. And I am dead serious. (It’s like the Jews who have to have kosher food. They ALWAYS get served first and I hear tell that their food is superior to that of the goyim.) (I hope our host doesn’t get pissed at me for saying this.) Arrange in advance to be met by someone to push you in a wheel chair. You get special treatment and get to jump all kinds of lines. I am not bullshitting you. Even if you are healthy as a horse and capable of running a marathon, what you do is buy yourself a cheap cane and carry it with you at all times and use it. If you are with a spouse always fall way behind them as you walk. And when seated struggle mightily to rise from your chair using arm muscles. Facial grimacing is an added plus. For YOU it might all be an act but for me it was no act.
The searching of your person and your carry-on luggage and backpacks is beyond anything I recall from yesteryear… even from the days when fanatics were blowing up planes every other day.
Have you seen the Rabbi Finklestein interview?
WARNING: McDonald’s serves goy burgers (according to Rabbi Finklestein … and taste buds).
What if it had sunk? Would you have offered your seat in the lifeboat to the women and children?
was that really necessary? seems like you have some good thoughts, but you make them easier to dismiss by, how do i put this gently?, by being a jer*k.
Don’t be like that. Don’t get in the way of my years long relationship with Q. You have the makings of a good Fascist, but you have to learn more respect for Tradition.
and you have to learn some respect for the universal values that allow civilized discourse.
Jarek has been pissed about the Titanic life boat situation for the past 110 years.
???
damn, what a thing to get stuck on.
if time wasting outrage is needed, look no further than everything happening now.
Q, how is Newark looking?
Q, how is Newark looking? – BRH
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I assume you mean the airport, not the city. The airport is a madhouse at 6AM till………..
It speaks volumes about feminine nature. I’m not stuck on it in and of itself.
Would you have offered your seat in the lifeboat to the women and children? – Jar
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First off, there are no children on these Viking cruises.
My wife was reading to me from some Viking promotional literature and after describing what Viking IS there was a section on ‘what Viking IS NOT.’
1. They do not take passengers under age 18.
2. There are no casinos/gambling.
3. No art auctions
4. No formal nights
5. No ‘other’ stuff that older folks are largely not interested in (I forget the whole list).
it sounds like a point by point marketing pitch directly opposite carnival – we had plenty of laughs at how sleazy those rides are.
it was ok when the kids were young, when we just focused on family fun. can’t imagine doing carnival for just my bride and i.
i suppose without all the gotcha extras, the cost is commensurately higher… but probably worth it.
The reason for the “women and children first” rule is because men are of comparatively low biological value (as reproductive units). This is the hand that nature has dealt you.
Griping about this is analogous to women griping that they’re the ones who must be pregnant and bear children, or griping that they are entitled to the male prerogative of being sexually promiscuous. Women would be far wiser to accept the fact that they are not men, and they’re not going to be men. This is the hand that biology has dealt them.
And, in your case, you must accept the fact that you are not a woman and you’re not going to be a woman, however much you may wish to be treated with the same preference when the ship is sinking.
Mr Kunsler,
It appears the Supreme Court is returning to the defense of the Constitution as written instead of how some wish it was written. States Rights figure prominently in the Constitution and hopefully States Rights will again move to the fore. That fragmentation of national power is an effective way to keep globalists and tyrants at bay.
Economically, the Fed blew it and the Keynesian economy may suffer a life threatening malaise. Along with the probable dark downturn of the global economy might come the question of why the existence of the Fed seemingly contradicts an important aspect of States Rights in Article I, Section 10, Clause 1: “No State shall…make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts;…”.
Cheers
I don’t see where in the Constitution is says that the Supreme Court gets to judge whether a duly passed law is Constitutional.
As I understand it, that was a power grab by the first Supreme Court, under Justice Marshall and was denounced by Thomas Jefferson at the time.
But now we all just accept it as tradition.
And the “No state can issue its own currency” was actually an attack on state’s rights. Before that Pennsylvania had issued its own currency and created a robust market economy.
so many steps along the way after marburg vs. madison
ever read ‘creature from jekyll island’?
I have. Fascinating story of how the FED was created and what it does. The money men have owned this country for 109 years now, and look what a dandy job they’ve done with the whole enterprise!
sorry, Marbury v. Madison
“I don’t see where in the Constitution is says that the Supreme Court gets to judge whether a duly passed law is”
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Lol, good luck with that Paula.
Anyone with even a partial clue knows the wheels are coming off. So, for elite players, it’s smart and prudent to game the system in an attempt to possibly, just maybe maintain power and control.
And as we’ve seen so far, by front running each major issue (cv, vax, oil, voting) they might actually be able to maintain their positions in the blue regions.
But what of the red zones? This is where Paula D’s comment raises some interesting questions. One, will the people continue to allow the judiciary to presume to preside over constitutional judgment?
Second, currency, trade and regulations. Third, artificial social programs that are nothing more than a creation of comfortable surplus.
Fourth, what of state militias and the building resistance to joining the federal armies?
Fifth, could the rump blue states resist a takeover by the reds, to be once again reunited under a strengthened constitutional agreement? (For example, repal of 17th among other things.)
Shush! That’s my secret plan! Let them secede in order to place them beyond the protection of our constitution and laws.
Then INVADE, CONQUER, and LIQUIDATE the freak show.
Finally, dump the carcasses at sea and begin the process of scrubbing, decontaminating, and rebuilding our now empty coastal cities to restore them to their former glory, starting with San Francisco which, once upon a time in my childhood, was actually a fun and safe family vacation destination.
Dang. Now they are on to me. Gotta go back to the laboratory and cook up another fiendishly clever master plan while twirling my Snidely Whiplash mustache between my thumb and index fingers.
Can you imagine the looks on the faces of the FED board members and all of their synchophants on Wall Street if Alito and Thomas pulled an Andrew Jackson and ruled the FED unconstitutional and mandated a return to constitutional money?
I’d eagerly spend a Gold American Eagle for an admission ticket to watch that show!
So would I, but that’s not going to happen, wouldn’t it? One could only hope.
Q…you’re a brave ol’ fart. You highlighted exactly, mentally and physically, why I’ll likely never fly again.
Meanwhile, for those not growing their own, I found several instances of organic produce selling for less than the usual stuff at the local grocery. Seems w/ inflation and all, they can’t move the stuff.
Ed Haskell…good one…the Beaver would be proud.
That’s exactly what SCOTUS is supposed to do. They are judges. They judge whether laws and court verdicts are constitutional. They are not legislators, they do not pass laws. The 1973 Roe v Wade decision was a ruling, not a law. The legality of abortion on a federal level is neither codified law nor implied in the US constitution. Congress never made abortion legal on a federal level. Don’t get mad at SCOTUS, get angry at Congress
Just got back from a trip to Massachusetts. Went out to Providence Town at the end of cape cod. Lots of gay couples holding hands, no big deal but I was rather alarmed by the number of faggots in dental floss thongs with erect cock and balls on they’re way to the sex shops on the main street. Not to mention the amount of art gallerias with pornographic paintings hanging in their windows.
The Mass state tourism website says Providence town is a family friendly destination. I’ve lived in New Orleans, even been to a few gay bars with gay friends, never saw such degeneracy in all my life.
sounds like some pretty severe viagra abuse there.
but there will be some families that want to show just how vibrant and open minded they are, and there will be children acting out in 15 years from the mind mangling they are sure to experience…
sounds like some pretty severe viagra abuse there. – just
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Once a place (a town) becomes known as gay-friendly it’s whole economy depends on it.
That’s what happened in Soddam. It was boomtown for a while but it did not end well.
Went out to Providence Town at the end of cape cod. – elliot r
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I hope Jim doesn’t notice I’m going to correct you. The place to which you refer is Provincetown.
But yeah, the ubiquity and outrageousness from the gays is becoming more and more. I am even offended by something as inconsequential as a “man-bun.” There’s a certain commercial on TV with a man-bun guy. Surely you’ve seen it. I just shake my head slowly and ask ‘what is the message?’ or is this now deemed cool in some way?
I have a hard time believing there are no gay couples who just want a normal family life and don’t like being associated with this extreme degeneracy.
I was also at a Starbucks in Boston where I saw Polyamerious (correct my spelling if you must) listed next to the drink menu as a “Gender to be Celebrated”. Seems like the queer agenda doesn’t completely hate straight men after all! All white men must do to get off the shit list is admit what all straight men know deep down inside, we’re all polygamist on some natural level.
Seems like the queer agenda doesn’t completely hate straight men after all.
Certainly hope not, where is all the new meat going to come from?
Most ‘queers’ are heterosexual men.
getting into the strong stuff tonight mary? cause that makes no sense at all.
It does if you know what you’re talking about re: the transgender agenda, and I do.
I have a hard time believing there are no gay couples who just want a normal family life and don’t like being associated with this extreme degeneracy. – elliot r
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I’m sure there are. On our initial flight from Newark to Milwaukee where the cruise ship started from there was this couple (2 women with a 2 year old child) in the seats in front of me. I spent most of the ride observing this little family and surmising their dynamic.
It was pretty obvious to me that one of these two women was the actual biological mother of the child and played the role of a regular hetero female. Typical female type hairdo, some delicate dangly gold earrings hanging from pierced ears. The child looked like her, had similar hair color, and was being raised as a ‘girl.’
It took me awhile to conclude that the other adult was in fact a female who was role-playing as a male… short hair, zero makeup and zero jewelry except for a wedding band on the left hand ring finger. ‘She’ wore what I call a disguiso sweat shirt to hide any hint of breasts that may have resided beneath. At one point I caught this person’s attention, pointed at the child and mouthed the question “how old?” And ‘she’ responded “two years.”
Throughout the flight these two mommies played with the child using a whole bagful of toys and took turns holding and loving up the child. If anything the male role player was even more obsessed with the child than the woman I perceived to be the bio mother.
I wondered WHO was the bio father that inseminated the bio mother and how did this all go down. My brain buzzed as I tried to imagine how these various participants handled such an unorthodox mating.
Post-flight, when we got to the baggage area, THERE was the little family now joined by two much older adults who I assumed were the bio-grandparents. They held the child and, maybe it was just my imagination, but their exuberance seemed less than it might have been if their daughter had been married to an actual male.
P Town has been a Gay stronghold since way back in the 1940s when a pretty strong art and theater community established itself out there mostly from Greenwich Village. In the 70s Provincetown still hosted an active fishing fleet and you’d see grizzled Portugese fishermen doing shots at a bar standing next to some young dude dressed in leather, including leather assless chaps. You might say P Town resembled Key West in that way. Last time I was out there I was looking up author John Dos Passo’s house where he lived in the 30s and 40s a few years ago. My mother’s family came from Cape Cod and the Gay vibe in town seemed much more pronounced than I remember it as a kid in the 70s & 80s. LBGQT pretty much defines the town now.
The English Puritans who landed there in 1620 and who founded Plymouth must be rolling in their graves. (Altho, the Basques, Portugese, Spanish and French were on the Cape long before the English, as early as the 1480s)
You must have stoned out of your gourd. It’s PROVENCEtown
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