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“No, you don’t understand. It was the Russians, I tell you, the Russians!” And so, with a holiday recess for Adam Schiff’s impeachment soap opera, and news that DOJ Inspector General Horowitz will unload in early December, the media vassals of the Deep State are giving you their own turkey gristle to chew on: “The Russians did it! Yes, really, they did! Believe us!”
Perhaps The New York Times has hooked up to a direct line of Burisma’s product as they flood the darkened arena with eerie blue gaslight. Friday, they featured a story — Russia Inquiry Review Is Said to Criticize F.B.I. but Rebuff Claims of Biased Acts — geared to make readers think that the entire FBI FISA warrant hair-ball came down to one lowly lawyer chump named Kevin Clinesmith messing with an email. Later, Times reporter Adam Goldman, posted this howler on Twitter.
These truthless assertions are meant to let both the CIA and the FBI off-the-hook for opening the “Crossfire Hurricane” investigation on bogus evidence they furnished to the FISA judges. Both Goldman’s news story and his tweet omit the name of the company that packaged and retailed the Russia Collusion narrative: Fusion GPS — the company that Robert Mueller testified to having no knowledge of in his July House appearance.
That oafish attempt to get out ahead of the IG’s report was followed by, whaddaya know, a Times op-ed penned by none other than Glenn Simpson, the impresario of Fusion GPS (and his partner Peter Fritsch), The Double-Barreled Dream World of Trump and His Enablers, aimed at re-selling their shopworn Russia collusion story to distract from any attention that voters might be paying to Ukraine’s collusion in the scheme to overthrow the 2016 US election and the Bidens’ grifting operation following the 2014 CIA / State Department sponsored overthrow of Ukraine’s government.
CBS 60-Minutes joined the gaslighting rotation Sunday night with a reality-optional Russia Hacked Our Election story. This was another obvious attempt to deflect attention from the actual story, which is how the company named Crowdstrike, owned by Ukrainian oligarch Dmitri Alperovitch, cooked up the Russian hacking story in the first place. Crowdstrike, you see, had been hired by the Democratic National Committee, and their nominee, Hillary Clinton, to interfere in the 2016 election. Crowdstrike later became the sole entity that was allowed to perform a forensic inquiry on the DNC’s server. Somehow, they persuaded the FBI to not look into the matter. In other words, the DNC’s contractor investigated its own mischief. Does anyone wonder how that worked?
NBC joined the gaslighting brigade Sunday, hauling Fusion GPS’s Simpson & Fritsch on Meet the Press, with talking cockatoo Chuck Todd, to pimp their new “book” extolling the most excellent British spy Christopher Steele, the designated patsy for the notorious dossier composed by Simpson himself, with help from others, including Fusion GPS contractor Nellie Ohr, wife of former associate deputy attorney general Bruce Ohr, who funneled all the Fusion GPS “product” into the RussiaGate coup-stream. Two notes here: 1) the dauntless Mr. Steele has by now fessed up to federal attorney John Durham and flipped on his former associates, who made him the bag-holder for their deeds. And 2) during the Meet the Press interview, no one on-screen (Todd, Simpson, Fritsch) mentioned that Fusion GPS had been hired by Hillary Clinton and the DNC to compile said dossier, a curious omission.
Yes, I know this sounds complex and convoluted. Part of the media campaign this week is to absolutely confound the American public as to what happened the past three years. Obfuscation has also been, in part, the mission of Mr. Schiff in his impeachment hearings. And they may all believe that it is working because the numbers show that the public is losing interest in a story being made to appear incomprehensible at best, while it is utterly false at bottom (and at worst). In the process the American news media is committing suicide along with the Democratic Party.
The CIA, the FBI, the State Department have all been players in the coup to overthrow Mr. Trump and the news media played along the whole way. They doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down on their dishonest narrative and now they are trapped in it. They are desperate to evade responsibility for all this. Many people think they will succeed. Many people want to believe the story that Russia hacked the 2016 election to help Mr. Trump defeat Hillary. The story is not true. The perps are finally being found out. They are willing to bring the country down rather than face the consequences.
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So many people around a certain former president are dead, will he be murdered?
Giuliani is convinced there is a hit out on himself, at the least. Claiming to have set up a dead man’s switch that would drop all docs on Biden and associated RICO charges.
With that in mind, I find it very interesting that Assange recently had the phony rape charges against him dropped. I strongly suspect Trump had nothing to do with his removal from the embassy, and am not clear on whether Pompeo is another DS plant.
So, if Ghouliani is so devoted to exposing corruption, why is he supposedly ‘sitting on’ compelling evidence? In order to give him an insurance policy?
Sounds either self-serving or total BS. Which is it, oh Great Gatherer of Evidence?
Don’t be angry at me for your own failures.
Angry? I’m laughing at you. Ha.
Some how I doubt that.
benr. Do you? Okay. If you say so. But I’m absolutely cracking up at YOU.
..and Nightowl, doesn’t answer the question anyway. Why?
The question and your attack is based on your own personal construct and/or perception of what he is or is not doing.
I, like you, have no idea what Giuliani knows or is doing other than what he has shared.
“The CIA, the FBI, the State Department have all been players in the coup to overthrow Mr. Trump and the news media played along the whole way. They doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down on their dishonest narrative and now they are trapped in it. They are desperate to evade responsibility for all this. Many people think they will succeed. Many people want to believe the story that Russia hacked the 2016 election to help Mr. Trump defeat Hillary. The story is not true. The perps are finally being found out. They are willing to bring the country down rather than face the consequences. ”
As long as the rule of law remains in force in this country the truth will come out. Truth is truth no matter which side it exonerates and which side it condemns…
“As long as the rule of law remains in force in this country…”
Which country have you been living in?
My thoughts exactly. Still, the Barr speech that JHK linked a while back shows him to be a serious man. With power. And the knowledge and intent to use it.
We live in interesting times.
I would have more faith in Barr if he had tried a little harder to keep Epstein alive. There were safe places they could have stashed him.
If I had a suspicious mind I might imagine that Epstein was a danger on the stand – a potential loose cannon – to friends of Trump as well as enemies of Trump. Hence, get rid of him, keep his files and films to be used against selected persons.
The slightly less corrupt (maybe) now can robe themselves in glory by comparing themselves to the Democrats and Media rats saying, “Only WE have the right to wear the Coat of Many Colors. Our hundred million new non-White immigrants will be legal.”
I wishes were horses beggars would ride.
This has to be the LOL comment of the week so far. Pie-eyed optimist much?
Pie-eyed optimism is good for the digestion…
LOL! I take it you like pies. Me too!
Well, let’s see. Is the American news media and the Democratic Party committing suicide together? I doubt it, as those two are not alone in their frenzy to destroy Trump. They are ably supported by academia, mainstream religion, big finance, feminists, environmentalists and, maybe, by the military; a powerful array of interests. Trump has kicked open the door for all to see the cockroaches scrambling, but the American people, dumbed down as they are, are probably not able to understand what they are seeing. And, let’s face it, their hero is seriously flawed.
It’s going to be a long, long year, coming up.
“And, let’s face it, their hero is seriously flawed.”
That’s really the issue here. I doubt a Boy Scout could have been elected, but Trump is… unsavory? I’m sure JHK finds himself horrified to be backing the GGG over the Dems he has voted for. Between the Vietnamese Communists and Pol Pot when they went to war there were no good guys, but there was a worse guy.
The Dems have now pushed independents into opposing impeachment. Somehow, with the most defeatable President in my lifetime, they have managed to make him almost sympathetic to independents. That is an achievement in bad politics so stunning as to deserve an award.
I quit the Democratic party the night Hillary Clinton went on TV and declared herself the candidate. She wouldn’t even wait for the convention. It does not mean I became a Republican that night and I voted for a third party candidate rather than either Trump or Hillary. I’m sure many people shared and still share my disgust. I look at even the “smart” Democrats and hear crazy things coming out of their mouths. Bill Maher said in this interview with Larry King that a person wearing a t-shirt that says they like Putin better than Pelosi is guilty of treason!! A t-shirt. Here’s a link to the interview:
https://youtu.be/ZCtiGIrT86Y
He got kicked off the air years ago for saying something similar, namely that the Suicide Jihadis are brave men. Now he’s in the other seat. His intelligence is in service to his passions and his political party.
He apologized profusely when Trump was poised to win the election: We’re sorry we called every Republican a Nazi for the last two generations. This time we’re serious.
Crying wolf? He is a wolf.
What stuns me is that Bill Maher sometimes calls himself a “libertarian”. I think he’s confused the term with “libertine”. There’s more to Libertarianism than sex, drugs, rock & roll.
He seems to take extreme positions and be intolerant of the slightest deviation even from his guests. If contradictory evidence is pointed out to him, it’s instantly dismissed. His guests remind me of the old Chatty Cathy dolls — the child pulled a string and Chatty spoke a random, prerecorded statement. “Trump is a danger to democracy!” “The worst president we’ve ever had!” — and the rest all nod in agreement. I wonder if the Iraqis think he’s the worst we’ve ever had?
He’s also likes the kids. He openly comments on it, too.
It’s no fluke his production company is called Kid Love.
There was a time when I somewhat respected him, until I found out what a sick f*ck he is.
“…till I found out what a sick f*ck he is.”
Apply your own standards, Nightowl. You smear Maher but offer no evidence, which is what ‘found out’ means, right?
*crickets*, as expected.
You should have seen Michael Moore groveling on MSNBC against Rep. Tulsi Gabbard after the last “debate” along with the proven liars Joy Reid and Brian Williams as they bleated on and on about Tulsi being a “Russian asset”:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TwmFRReGUco
Hillary Clinton has SOME power over these chattering pieces of scum.
Actually the MSM in the United States has become the biggest player in the coup for they have propagandized the American people perfectly.
They are ALL like a pack of cornered, rabid Tasmanian devils that are about to be captured and dispatched (legally speaking).
It can’t happen soon enough.
I didn’t see that as I’ve cancelled cable recently but the last time I tuned in to MSNBC it was quite a show. I began to wonder if Rachel Maddow had Tourette’s because she said “RUSSIA”!!!! so many times and appeared disconnected from reality. The treatment for this disorder is anti-psychotics. I sometimes wonder — do they even know anymore if their statements are true or false? Do they care?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sxMciL5k5w
Even Henry knows what’s up.
DrTomSchmidt — I’m not horrified. I’m not a big fan of the President and didn’t vote for him in 2016 (or HRC), but it’s a simple equation for me: whatever you might think of Mr. Trump, his antagonists’ behavior is much worse, more knowingly dishonest, and even more toxic to our culture. They need to face the consequences of their coup. Since it has been an institutional coup, it’s not hard to understand that the institutions involved, and their leaders, would seek to desperately protect themselves.
Many independents already voted for him back in 2016. There was quite a bit of crossover between Trump and Sanders. I would wager there is virtually no support among independents for impeachment, given that there is no evidence for any of the charges against Trump.
Lots and lots of crossover between Sanders and Trump camps for sure!
I was a Sanders voter until he endorsed the criminal, Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2016.
Then there was no choice but to support Trump in order to completely knock Clinton off her entitled high horse.
I will vote for Gabbard next year in the California primary then for Trump in November if Gabbard doesn’t get the nomination or if she does and chooses a Deep Stater as V.P.
Which means I will likely be voting for Trump next year as the DNC is completely corrupted.
I’m with you 100% abby. Very wise reasoning.
I have come to the conclusion that she is more or less a party line democrat in disguise. I suspect turning her into a full blown neolib would not take long.
She already voted to support the impeachment theater, which disqualifies her, IMO.
You may be right Nightowl, but she is certainly the only candidate that they have that is not a total piece of crap.
Makes you wonder if the mysterious hand of providence is not behind the scenes, given the improbability of Trump being elected in the first place, and the fact that just when you think he’s down and out he always manages to bounce back.
I think it is a combination of things:
1. He understands the enemy and, particularly, the media, and he has prepped for this role.
2. He has the support of a core group of intel/military personnel who understand the threat in detail and have been working with him from day one.
Go back and read Flynn’s old Twitter posts — he was touching on subjects that the corporate media would dismiss as conspiracy. With that in mind look at Flynn’s background. If anyone would have info. on the issues he was talking about, it would be him. That, IMO, is why he was an instant target for removal (see Strozck/Page texts, info. on falsified 302s). Also read up on Adm. Mike Roger’s role with regard to Spygate.
This is much, much bigger than Trump, IMO.
A good piece that touches on Rogers’s role specifically.
https://themarketswork.com/2018/04/05/the-uncovering-mike-rogers-investigation-section-702-fisa-abuse-the-fbi/
I can’t speak for JHK, but I went from “I can’t support either of these people!” to “He beat the cackling bitch?!?!?” to “He’s going to F up everything!” to “He’s actually doing pretty well, so why isn’t he getting any credit?” to, now, “Trump is doing well, and I can’t vote for any of the 20 assorted communists, mental midgets, and insane people who want the Democrat nomination so they can destroy what little is left of the America we used to know.”
I didnt understand what the people on my wife’s side of the family meant when they said Trump would destroy the world. It appears it means he’ll destroy the Deeo State and chenge how things are done, or die trying. Some of it seems accidental, such as the Ukraine mess, but others (the failed attempt to replace Obamacare) were deliberate, but undermined by mendacious Establushment Republican assholes like Paul Ryan. Like it or not, we’ll know in about a year or so how this turns out. To me, though, it seems obvious that the Deep State will go after anyone who doesn’t support them to the death.
Uncle Bob: I think the country started unraveling a while back. An entity as powerful as the United States doesn’t fall over night. It looked to me like it might, however, in 2008. The people in power sure seemed to think so. There were more jets converging on DC, carrying politicians, than there were geese flying south. If you look back at the coverage at that time, it becomes obvious that “W” was pushed to the side, kept out of the way, so he could do no more harm than he had already done.
Since that time, Obama, whom I still don’t like, brought the country back slowly. Too slowly for the Republicans, who bitched that the country they almost destroyed wasn’t being brought back rapidly enough. Kind of like when your kid breaks his bicycle, and then bitches when you don’t get it fixed fast enough.
The country was still a little wobbly when Donny took over, but still coming back. Every president benefits or suffers for the first couple years or so from the economic efforts of the previous administration, and Trump is no exception. The best way to judge him will be to see how the next three or so years play out, after some of his economic changes take effect. Judging by his personal history (4 bankruptcies) , I don’t expect things to do well. I expect a crash in the next 2 or 3 years.
The country never “came back”, not really. The problems causing the financial panic of 2008 were never solved or addressed. The situation was papered over as the FED created more money and guaranteed the solvency of many financial institutions, including foreign banks, mostly European.
Much that happens financially is now ‘off the books’. A financial professor at Michigan State, Dr Mark Skidmore, found 20 trillion dollars in government spending which is unaccounted for – over a number of years. The money was apparently created and spent but never added to the national debt (currently at a hefty $23 trillion). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hnjxqSYJRM
JHK isn’t exaggerating when he says our whole society is a sham, a fraud, a system of rackets run by grifters.
Your take on what Obama did or did not do is painfully naïve.
Obama was a bagman for the banksters and Wall street people that much is plain by how much money he pumped into the system.
Everything he touched really had the law of unintended negative consequences.
I will just take one plan he did cash for clunkers!
He all but destroyed the inexpensive car market how do I know? I had a 16 year old daughter at the time in need of a decent used car and they were very hard to find and very expensive. It took almost five years for the used car market to recover and the price of all cars new jumped and never stopped jumping. A cheap new car is now in the 20k- 40k range.
Obama saved nothing least of all America.
zirp
QE
Default credit swaps
All sort of monetary nonsense happened under his watch.
“I had a 16 year old daughter at the time in need of a decent used car ”
Sixteen-year-olds ‘need’ cars? I can see how you folks have a problem with acknowledging climate change. Really not in your interest to do so. 🙂
California specifically has a terrible rapid transit system or public transportation if you will.
The bus routes and trolley routes are poorly planned and placed.
Everything is setup to be driven to there is next to nothing within two or three miles of where we live so walking is a chore.
Also in my country turning 16 and getting to drive is a right of passage.
The rest of your post is silly climate change cultist nonsense.
Thanks for explaining the transport situation, benr. That’s really sad.
Sorry you can’t get past your ‘cultist’ disinformation. They’ve really done a good job on you, but then they would be able to, wouldn’t they, given the millions that have been spent to get you to think like that?
https://www.climaterealityproject.org/blog/climate-denial-machine-how-fossil-fuel-industry-blocks-climate-action
https://www.ucsusa.org/climate/disinformation
https://blog.ucsusa.org/elliott-negin/exxonmobil-still-funding-climate-science-denier-groups
Very sad to see it working so well on people who pride themselves on seeing past fake news.
The Democrats always do the very thing that fucks themselves over surest and hardest. That’s why I’m convinced Joe Biden will be the nominee. (Every day that man reminds me a little bit more of Tim Conway’s “Mr. Toddlebury” character from “The Carol Burnett Show”.)
First Biden will have to swim past the big shark. This from a November 12, 2019 article;
“Hillary Clinton on Tuesday declined to rule out launching a future presidential campaign after her two failed bids, saying “many, many, many people” were pressuring her to enter the race.”
Who are these thrice many people? I don’t know anyone who likes or respects the old witch.
My guess is that these people are what I call “Facebook wine-moms”, a demographic comprised of younger Boomer and older Gen-Xer women in the managerial and professional classes. This group has cultural influence way out of proportion to their actual numbers.
Do you think Biden is in the race to actually be President?
Hahaha.
OH my Zeus, childhood memories. I loved that show Tim and Harvey, the whole cast was hilarious. Politics these days are funny, but after my laughter come tears.
Makes one wonder why anyone would choose to work in government in the first place. I was never a big John Boehner fan, but he is no dummy. One wonders if he saw this shit-storm coming and got out while the getting was good.
The real Orange Man. Wilson! He weeped and smoked, and Maddow defended his tears!
“Oompa-loompa, doopity-do, you can smoke weed if I make money, too!”
Paul Ryan and a large handful of RINOs are leaving the House in 2020.
A good question, what form is the shitstorm going to take?
F?at j?stitia ruat cælum
F?at justitia ruat cælum
Magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
Rap lyrics don’t translate well to Latin.
What they’re trying to say: We need a new “race” of Justiciars, possibly robotic, to enforce the New Order. Judge Dredd comes to mind. Or Robocop: His fiance tried to talk to him after the operation, but “he” “just” smiled at her.
New sexed-up dossier furore: Explosive leaked email claims that UN watchdog’s report into alleged poison gas attack by Assad was doctored – so was it to justify British and American missile strikes on Syria?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7718627/Sexed-dossier-furore-alleged-poison-gas-attack-Assad.html
“A leaked email last night dramatically indicated that the UN’s poison gas watchdog had butchered and censored a critical report on an alleged chemical attack in Syria. If substantiated, the revelations will be severely embarrassing for Britain, France and America, which launched a massive military strike in retaliation without waiting for proof that chemical weapons had actually been used.
“Unconfirmed reports and videos, showing the corpses of adults and children foaming at the mouth in Douma, a suburb of Damascus, shocked the world in April 2018 and led to a joint Western attack on the supposed culprit, Syria, in which more than 100 missiles, including nearly 70 Tomahawk cruise missiles, were fired.
“Although the reports and films could not be independently verified, as the alleged events took place in a war zone then under the control of brutal Islamist militants, Western governments, and many Western media, took them at face value.
“President Donald Trump tweeted at the time: ‘Many dead, including women and children, in mindless CHEMICAL attack in Syria. Area of atrocity is in lockdown and encircled by Syrian Army, making it completely inaccessible to outside world. President Putin, Russia and Iran are responsible for backing Animal Assad. Big price to pay. Open area immediately for medical help and verification. Another humanitarian disaster for no reason whatsoever. SICK!’”
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You get a sexed-up dossier! And YOU get a sexed-up dossier! And —
Thanks for confirming what a lot of us have been saying, Elrond.
The Democrats and Rhino Republicans, the neo-con, globalist deep staters were the ones pushing so hard to get rid of Assad. They lied repeatedly throughout the MSM media, framing Assad for atrocities the CIA and Mossad supported resistance (e.g. ISIS) committed.
The USA’s Syria policy was and remains a conflicted mess because of factions in the US govt working at cross purposes. I’m not sure if Trump is a simple mind actually misled at times, or pretends to be misled as part of a bigger hidden strategy.
But the faction supporting more war in the world consists of those left wingers you have long defended and supported.
LOL God is so good! I love it when their best efforts backfire!
Yes, like the early blizzards that dogged Global Warming Conferences.
Yeah, and also think about all of those ships loaded with climate activists and scientists that have gotten stuck in ice at the North and South Pole and the whole point of their journeys were to prove Global Warming and mass melting of the glaciers is real! Hehe, its the little joys in life that are so rewarding!
Was education really this bad in Louisiana when you were a sprog, SSL? You have my sympathy.
Oh no SSL, now you’ve awoken the bear.
Bears don’t talk like that, hm, they whack you across the jaw in a way you don’t forget. For the little time they leave you alive.
My nails are quite short by comparison. And I don’t use them in arguments.
GA. Usually you don’t spring out of nowhere to deliver gratuitous insults. Usually you tell the person why you consider what they said to be stupid. Usually you are better than this. Tough day?
Not at all, hm. It remains a fact that what SSL said was stupid. Sorry, I wish it weren’t. Like I wish she didn’t fall for nonsense like ancient Indian cities being destroyed by atomic bombs. But she does. I can only assume it’s something to do with the education system in that it discourages critical thinking. But if you have a better hypothesis, I’m happy to consider that too.
JohnAZ has been known to talk of the stupidification of American society. When he gives examples, you don’t criticise him. But when I do you don’t like it.
And you’re right that I do give explanations. But in this case I’ve given the explanation many times already. If SSL can’t get it, we can blame SSL or the educational system – you choose.
And considering the personal insults I’ve had lobbed at me on here, I find your bias almost endearing.
Well um just to be clear here. Some say there is evidence that ancient Indian cities were affected by atomic explosions. There are of course other researchers who say there isn’t complete evidence to support such a theory. But ancient Indian lore appears to allude to what we in modern times would consider a nuclear war. I don’t recall stating it as fact. But why can’t it be a possibility? I’m not understanding why blame needs to land on either me directly or the education system because I mention these things. Please do tell me why.
Thank you hm for your defense of me. You are always willing to at least consider different theories and ideas whether you buy into them or not. I personally don’t see what’s wrong with discussing ideas that may seem implausible. There is still certainly so much we don’t know.
SSL
Re- India & nuclear explosions: its a bit weird because I think (?) it actually came up down the thread.
In any case, your statements here imply you didn’t bother reading the ‘Skeptoid’ article, for example: the city referred to, Johdpur, was only established a couple of thousand years ago whereas the purported ‘nuclear explosion’ was supposedly 12,000 years ago. The article points out a) how low the residual radiation would be by now based on..on..what is it again?…ah! Based on science, that has figured out ‘half-life’.
And b) It goes on to point out that, if the ‘historical’ record is accurate then the founders of Jodhpur would have been aware, rendering the site pretty stupid for a new city.
The facts are twofold – firstly, the Indian history books are like the Bible – a collection of ancient stories, written by Bronze Age humans. Intriguing, but not actually worthy of debate as to whether they are ‘accurate history’ or not.
Secondly, if it gives you some kind of pleasure to ‘wonder’ if it might be true, go ahead! It’s your privilege…but try doing a little due diligence first, or be prepared to be called out.
“But the faction supporting more war in the world consists of those left wingers you have long defended and supported.”
I’m dying to see his response to this.
I suppose in fairness I should say that the war party spans the so-called ideological spectrum. And the labels of that spectrum have become very burred and confused.
They call the former Texas Congressman, Ron Paul, an arch conservative. Why? Because he supports the Constitution, limited government, and leaving other nations alone.
Oh the horror! We must toss out all Constitutional freedoms and protections – because slave holders wrote the document. Toss it out; it must be bad, And waging wars all over the world, feeding the MIC is such a good thing, even Hillary cackles with delight at the carnage.
What “liberal Democrat” is pro working class and anti Wall Street. A few talk a good line to win elections, none do anything. President Bernie Sanders whipped into a Mayday furor of Bolshevism would not dare to frog march Jamie Dimon and crew to jail.
Liberal are liars and hypocrites who have watched the American middle and working class destroyed, no less than Trump and friends. This whole time they were stuffing untold fortunes of treasure into their pockets. Ever investigate how Pelosi got so rich? Frugality with her govt salary and compound interest? LOL I don’t think so.
“And the labels of that spectrum have become very burred and confused.”
No kidding, I remember when I was blue and the commies were red.
“Liberal are liars and hypocrites who have watched the American middle and working class destroyed, no less than Trump and friends. This whole time they were stuffing untold fortunes of treasure into their pockets”
Yes. It’s hard to figure out what our differences actually are. I don’t like your Dear Leader and don’t hesitate to express it. But does NOT mean I’m behind the crazy left nutjobs focused on LGBTQ bathroom issues or ’Reparations‘. Likewise I have no truck with professional grifters, whatever their ’political brand’
There’s many commentators hereabouts who declare that the left/right dichotomy is bullshit. I agree. The actual divide is been fact & ‘nothing is probably true’ Occam’s Razor could not be more useful in such dire times.
‘Provably’ not ‘Probably’ (autocorrect -bah.)
Oh no grandma Pelosi and Hubbie are big time into the military industrial complex!
HMuller put it perfectly.
Rand Paul and Daddy are more honest than most in the game not perfect but then what human is.
Everyone should read this article:
https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/new-opcw-leak-further-vindicates-skeptics-of-establishment-syria-narrative-1cf9d035db8b
I don’t want to post a gargantuan wall o’ text, so the gist is that:
– OPCW investigators performed a scientific analysis of the alleged chemical attack at Douma and provided a report to their bosses.
– Senior people at OPCW prepared this into a ‘redacted’ report, which their own investigators complained badly misrepresented their work (i.e. supported the idea that it was Assad who was responsible for the attack).
– The investigators were called into their boss’ office to to receive an intimidating briefing involving U.S. government officials.
– Only the redacted, altered report was published.
– Now we have the e-mail confirming that the honest experts at the OPCW were overruled by their superiors, with support from US government officials.
Now, as for hmuller. He writes: “the faction supporting more war in the world consists of those left wingers you [meaning me, Elrond] have long defended and supported.”
If by ‘left wingers’ you mean the Democratic Party establishment, I agree with you. If, on the other hand, you mean actual, principled and fact-based people on the political left, like those Caitlin Johnstone lists at the bottom of her article, then you are drowning in horseshit, hmuller. I have defended and supported no such thing, and you are simply trafficking in lies, misrepresentation and slander by claiming that I have.
Meanwhile, on the day of the attack, “Donald Trump tweeted these words: “Many dead, including women and children, in mindless CHEMICAL attack in Syria. Area of atrocity is in lockdown and encircled by Syrian Army, making it completely inaccessible to outside world. President Putin, Russia and Iran are responsible for backing Animal Assad. Big price…” Six days later, he, the UK and France backed up the big talk with retaliatory strikes directed against Assad.
Big words, backed up by lethal action — that to me sounds like ‘support for more war in the world’, hmuller. Do you disagree? Are you even capable of taking responsibility for what your side actually does, any more than you can refrain from slandering your opponents?
CancelMyCard: “I’m dying to see his response to this.”
Maybe you’ll die from choking on it.
Why so bitter and angry, Elrond? looking over my two posts above, I only referenced you twice, once to thank you for your post.
Secondly to accuse you of supporting war mongering left wingers. I’m thrilled to hear that you don’t. Now I can stop my worldwide anti-Elrond campaign,… “trafficking in lies, misrepresentation and slander by claiming that” …you support such scurrilous people.
Where did I get the crazy idea that you support America’s left wing politicians, who just so happen to support more wars? I don’t know, maybe I inferred too much.
Finally, I am not the Donald’s keeper. If you don’t like what he says, tweets, or does, wait an hour. He’ll do the opposite. How can he be Putin’s bitch boy and a Russian agent and tweet what you quoted above. That violates the Maddow doctrine.
We can see he’s gotten a lot of bad advice from little weasels like John Bolton among many others who have come and gone. He often seems confused and conflicted to me.
But this fact remains. All those mainstream news presstitutes misreported and lied to the American people over and over again about Assad. Those mainstream news sources are biased towards the left. Would you like to denounce them? Please do.
By ” biased towards the left” I mean biased in favor of the left.
I certainly hope Elrond doesn’t try to gaslight us into thinking we are delusional when we remember the Mainstream News Channels beating the war drum, as in the following memes:
Assad is evil, Assad must be overthrown.
Assad gases his own people; Assad murders children,
The USA must support the resistance to Assad,
The USA should militarily intervene, invade Syria, topple Assad,
I remember these themes and the reporting to support them drilled into our brains night after night on the network news channels.
As this was going on, out of the “good earth” like so many dragon’s teeth sprang ISIS with brand new American military equipment and crates of Israeli issued field rations, (kosher food meets Hallal standards for Moslem consumption)
The gentlemen of the press never said a word about the CIA, Mossad, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia supporting ISIS. No, they were the terrible bogeymen who sawed the heads off Westerners. We had to invade Syria to get rid of ISIS. Odd that Assad and ISIS were enemies and somehow we were against both. Can you have a 3 sided war?
Also odd that a couple years of the US Air Force trying to bomb ISIS never resulted in hitting the truck convoys conveying petroleum from Syrian wells to Turkey, specifically into the hands of Erdogan’s son (a regular Hunter Biden clone) who profited immensely from the commerce. Once the Russians got involved, those ISIS trucks were smoldering heaps of ash overnight. Imagine that!
I could go on about the lying US MSM, but this post is getting a little longish.
But I’m not attacking you, Elrond, despite all the unkind things you have to say about me. I’m attacking all the lies, propaganda, and hypocrisy the globalist controlled MSM spews at us. And not just about Syria, about everything!
Yes Elrond, thank for coming late to the party. Mr Assad is a great man. A Great Man. And an ally of Putin, an even greater Man. They keep the Sunni Jihadis in their place while “we” fund them.
And now Rudy Giuliani has announced he has a dead man’s switch — ie, a file information locked in his safe to be released instantly if he gets whacked or disappeared. He said the information, if and when it is released, will blow up the Democratic Party in an enormous scandal. This was part of Rudy’s interview with Fox News’s Ed Henry over the weekend.
One assumes Rudy’s file documents rank corruption by Joe Biden and his son Hoover in the Ukraine, but also (just spit-balling here) will spill the beans on John Kerry and Son, Nancy Pelosi and Son, and who knows how many other brand-name creatures of the Swamp.
This is bound to be a promising topic of conversation later this week, as you sit down to a splendid Thanksgiving turkey with Aunt Leopolda, her transgender daughter Ralphette and the rest of your happy clan.
It bothers me that this data is being bargained with instead of just being presented. Is the Donald et al anti-Deep State or not? These coup makers need to be institutionalized.
I’m going to be optimistic and surmise that Mr. Giuliani’s file is a work in progress. He probably has the goods on many of these Swamp malignancies already, but as he tugs on the thread more and more outrages are revealed involving more criminals in more scams in more places all over the globe. Rudy is a very accomplished and tireless prosecutor; give him time.
I like that term Swamp malignancies. Can I write it as Swamp Malignancies and use it as a reference for all the impeachmentnistas generally?
Feel free to do that. Swamp Malignancies would be a good name, too, for a rock-and-roll garage band if anybody wants to start one up and maybe get hired to play at the Democratic National Convention when they name HRC and Michelle O as their unbeatable ticket for 2020.
LOL, awesome thank you!
What I hear you saying Minnie, is that if Trump dumps Giuliani, he will retaliate by releasing information that will blow up the Democrats. Is that what you meant?
No, Rudy said this as a warning to those in the Deep State apparatus (including its media wing) that any action taken to whack him or disappear him will lead to exactly the result they are trying to avoid; the file of his discoveries to date will be released to the world, presumably through some channel that will make them available to a broad swath of the public.
Giuliani is working on behalf of President Trump. He is DJT’s personal lawyer. The creatures of the Deep State are panicking about what Rudy has uncovered so far regarding their criminal actions in Ukraine and, probably, many other countries.
In the Fox interview, Giuliani defied the Deep State, saying “The Mafia wasn’t able to kill me, and you won’t do it either.” For those who may not know, Giuliani made his reputation in NYC in the 1980s as a Fed prosecutor who brought down a huge number of Mafiosi. It was after this that he won the mayoralty and cleaned up the city from the Third World mess it had become under Democrat “leadership.”
Of course, one assumes that Mr. Giuliani’s file on the Democrats’ malfeasance will come to light at some point anyway. Will it contain the dirt on the Bidens, Kerrys, Pelosis and also documented evidence against the Clintons and Saint Obama? Perhaps we will get the chance to find out in July or August, a release date sure to maximize the fun for the general election.
Stay tuned to our host’s Monday and Friday posts to follow every delicious development.
No, Minnie – he was talking about ‘insurance’ if FFxCS throws him under the bus.
I gathered his OTHER plan is, in the event of his sudden death by suicide, that all sorts of documents he’s currently holding will be released and these will “destroy the Democratic Party”.
Such bravado is not particularly smart. If he has such earth-shattering evidence of all this left-wing graft & grift, paedophilia, pay-to-play corruption (and who knows what else), why is he sitting on it? Cui bono? Himself? Is he pulling a Jeffrey Epstein and blackmailing everybody involved?
No, it’s way more likely that anything he has in his safe as ‘insurance’ would be debunkable clap-trap & CT nonsense. Hence, he actually has nothing.
On the other hand, his Trump/Bus insurance policy – well, that could be a hum-dinger, given his time as DA in SDNY etc, and partying with the Rich & Famous:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_rmNJk4KEs&feature=emb_logo
And, oh! Here come de bus!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbb8T7Ac0eo
“Is the Donald et al anti-Deep State or not? ”
How can he be Anti the people that put him in there, and to who he has pledged allegiance to?
Cognitive dissonance – it’s stock-in-trade for the Cult.
Right JohnAZ. Ghouliani is ‘quid pro quo’ing it to his own benefit. That, or it’s just BS. I suspect the latter.
He also recently said in a TV interview that Trump would never throw him under the bus because he ‘has insurance. What a creep.
There’s probably some good sexual stuff in the file, too.
But the broader point is that we live in a country where expecting assassination is just a routine part of political life – almost like we’ve become a banana republic.
The deep state (and what it’s part of) have been murdering people here and abroad for a very long time. And getting away with it, obviously.
I wish people would realize that the rude, abrasive, untruthful, orange baboon in the White House is like pimple on one’s butt. The globalists are a lethal cancer on humanity.
Who is worse here, in your opinion? The GGG, or the globalist dictators who want to tear down the country for international gain. That is the group you need to oppose.
Unfortunately we don’t get to vote for the globalist dictators, we only get to vote for the president.
Both sides are Globalists muller. One is Zio-Masonic-Evangelical and the other is UN-Satanism. They meet at the highest levels in any case. Both want the White Man ended and Western Culture flooded by hundreds of millions of Blacks, Browns, and Yellows.
I went to utube to get this link for you.
The ad that I got there was of nice Black couples in a nice eatery.
I think the ad was for insurance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EdvNDiVDKE&t=797s
The algorithm delivers different ads to different viewers, Malthie. I got socks & whiskey…
I got climate change hysteria in Ireland, the last minute of a John Stossell (sp?) video.
Saw Hillary’s book, Gutsy Women, in a bookstore. Took a peek: almost all light skinned Black women. So strange. Guess she wants White girls worshiping their betters. Part of the Globalist Plot.
“I got climate change hysteria in Ireland”
Funny you should mention that. Trump’s representatives – not him personally – put in a planning application for a wall near his golf course in Ireland, with the main justification being the danger from storm surges, as a result of rising sea levels due to AGW.
Funny old hysterical world.
Irony is just delicious.
For this sad story to have an ending in which the nation survives without blood in the streets we must rely on the integrity of a small band of people and three in particular; William Barr, John Durham and Michael Horowitz. But bear in mind that Horowitz previously looked into the horrors of the Strzok-Page emails and found no evidence that their unveiled hatred of Trump influenced their actions. I have a hard time putting any faith in him. If he merely feeds the narrative of an inconsequential misdeed of a low level staffer, the media can likely paint Barr and Durham as unbelievable partisans and the story ends on their terms.
The tools Barr and Durham have at their disposal seem to be mostly FBI folks for whom you need a program to tell which ones are deep staters. Looks like an uphill climb to me.
As an example of how this works, if I recall correctly, there were early reports that there was no reliable video from Jeff Epstein’s cell block and the guards had been asleep. But it seems that the FBI is now saying that they have video showing that no one entered the area and even Barr is saying that it was a perfect storm of errors that allowed Epstein’s suicide to occur. Christmas ornaments, drywall and Jeffrey Epstein, eh? As Sen. Kennedy said, name three things that don’t hang themselves.
In addition to the “perfect storm of errors” that led to Jeffrey Epstein’s untimely demise, there are now revelations about curious omissions from his autopsy — ie, no DNA test, no photographs of the body, no fingerprints taken, no dental records checked to establish identity. Just the word of his brother, who was part of the child-sex and blackmail racket and who benefitted from the case being dropped against the late Jeff. Good times. Here are the details:
https://www.fort-russ.com/2019/11/epstein-is-alive-part-2-no-dna-test/
I hear Epstein is alive and living just down the street from Elvis.
Is that down Lonely Street at the Heartbreak Hotel?
The guards are going to testify, should be interesting.
Someone needs to have the guts to break open the nest of vipers that the Deep State really is.
If these guards all decide to commit suicide (like disgraced Samurai,) many of us will be highly suspicious. The American masses will say: ho hum, just another day in the USA. Nothing shocks or energizes the zombies anymore.
Disgraced Samurai are not given permission by their Lord to disembowel themselves — a noble death — and are thus condemned to live out their days in shame.
Well then, who disemboweled themselves? The successful Samurai?
It depended on the nature of their disgrace. If a Samurai failed his duties to his lord, a true Samurai would immediately kill himself. A reluctant one would be ordered to. If he did not, his family would be disgraced.
I guess those unenlightened shmucks never learned the American way. – If disgraced, blame it all on someone else.
Who runs ‘this country, the law or some groups opinion.
This is the test that is happening.
The “law” doesn’t hand you a ticket – a trooper or cop does. The 2nd Amendment doesn’t protect your home, person or rights – the guns do.
Judge Jackson, in ruling on McGahn’s subpoena (to testify in the Mueller hearings, FFS!) clearly says ‘this is a country governed by laws, not men’.
So, Bolton, Mulvaney, Pompeo and a phalanx of State Dept officials in the know about this abuse of power case and are being told by FFvCS not to testify had better think twice.
Barr’s Dad gave Epstein his first job, the one at the girl’s school teaching math. No qualifications. Tribal connections? Did Barr renounce those when he converted? Don’t know.
Janos–
The Dalton school was not a girl’s school. It was coed.
I smell a whitewash coming. The oligarch will always be protected because they are all crime families who own everyone. There is no justice on the planet.
Somehow I think Barr knows what is at stake and will put forth the most assiduous diligence in bringing the truth to light…
Would that be the same assiduous diligence he used in putting Jeffrey Epstein in a safe place?
I would like to thank our host for his tenacious work in keeping this story alive. He gets the implications of this for the future, or what remains of it, of our benighted country. Thanks!
How about a big attaboy (girl) or whoever ‘Anonymous’ is for their latest bit of insight into the outrageous pudding of incompetence called the trump administration.
You can almost see the smoke coming out of Deal Leader’s ears as he plots his revenge against someone with the utter temerity to tell the truth about his little private banana republic. Just imagine the merry mix-ups @1600 Penn as they try to ferret out this hero.
Impeachment – is there a more beautiful word?
You all just don’t get it that everything going on is just one man or woman’s opinion, nothing is based on facts or the rule of law.
That is why our system is failing. Impeachment of someone because people disagree with him is the beginning of the end of the American form of government.
Next time it will be all the Whites in theHouse ganging up on a Black President, or a coup against a Joe Biden over Ukraine shenanigans because he did something that all the Deep State aholes have done. Buttigieg is obvious what could happen to him.
The main thing is that presidents should be removed for criminal reasons, not political opinions. Trump has faced nothing but political BS ever since he was elected. Lord help us if these idiots in DC are able to disconnect themselves from the rule of law and more importantly the voters with their shenanigans.
hmuller – no. He’s been pursued for political crimes – from the outset. He’s just been so fecking BRAZEN in his committing of these crimes that, without the scandal of secrecy, there’s been lie of substance to hang on him —- until now.
His subterfuge with Ghoulani & Rudy’s henchmen is looking pretty bad bad enough that FFvCS just threw him under the proverbial Number 9 to Clapham Common.
LOL, Obama was the King of the Banana Republic! Heck he laid much of the groundwork for this whole Banana Republic himself so you should thank him this Thanksgiving.
Obama was a lackey of the Deep State, as was Bushes before him. Clinton’s were leaders of the Deep State.
Our system only works when the two parties counter each other through the years. Uniparty control, which we have experienced through the last thirty years, so distorts the DC scene. The Bushes never fought for conservatism during their reigns, kowtowing to the Deep State instead. So we have had the incessant drift Leftward.
That is what is so different about Trump. He has thumbed his nose at the Deep State, challenging them, changing things, decreasing taxes trying the pull the country back from the Leftist socialist drift.
And they hate him for it.
Michael Wolff redux.
No one cares.
Right, coz everyone knows already.
That you are low IQ, yes.
Now be nice. Majella is not low IQ just because she wants to burn the house to the ground to get rid of the cockroaches, i.e.destroy the republic to get rid of Trump.
You are demonstrating beyond all possibility of doubt, Nightowl, and on a stunningly regular basis, just what an arrogant twat you are. Keep up the good work!
Hmuller, it’s Trump who’s destroying the Republic.
As De Niro said recently:
‘It’s like living in an abusive household – you exist in a fog, never knowing what batshit crazy thing will happen next…’
@majella
Considering you lambasted me for verbiage unbecoming you actually think the word twat is not equally vile?
You might as well as used a word that rhymes with shunt instead really what is the difference? Perception? pfft.
I suspect Jim is going to have a field day deleting many of these posts as they are unbecoming of the site.
You should take your own advice and clean up your act as well.
Majella, Trump only has one year left, if he’s as unpopular as you believe. You’ve endured 3 years, what’s one more. Maybe you and the girls on”The View” should work to unseat him via the ballot box.
By the way, although I’m no fan of the Clintons, I thought it wrong to impeach him in1998 because he lied about sex with an intern.
Impeachment should be reserved for really serious crimes and abuse of power. It shouldn’t be weaponized because one party has a bare House majority and can get away with staging such a clown show.
Just back up your claims, Maj. TDS is not an argument, and neither is repeatedly calling me a twat when I make a simple request.
“That you are low IQ, yes.”
Where’s the ‘simple request’?
benr- I’m actually not that sure what ‘twat’ means in San Diego.
Yes, the English-speaking world probably agrees that it a euphemism for a vagina in the context of It grab them by the twat/pussy’
In non-American English – ie Australasian, British – it also means ‘idiot’, ‘fool’, ‘dickhead’ and ‘wanker’.
I’m sorry you’re offended that I called out Nightowl’s arrogant and non-responsive remark with the perjorative ‘twat’, but at least I resisted calling him a cunt.
The same request I make every time you make your claims.
I realize you try to play dumb with each new thread; I suppose we all would with your history.
Everybody knows the not so anonymous “whistle blower” is Eric Ciaramella, who’s whistle-blowing documents were concocted with the avid assistance of Shiff’s office, and consisted of the flimsiest hearsay. He’s been outed numerous times and they can’t seem to keep his name off of Facebook. If this goes to the senate (and it won’t), he will be forced to testify.
Any comment on https://johnsolomonreports.com/responding-to-lt-col-vindman-about-my-ukraine-columns-with-the-facts/?
Is this the same screed that Nunes had read into the proceedings?
The machinations of the wolf’s lair do not concern me. They are all pigs and I will not be part of these pointless distractions. It appears ridiculous because there is no serious attempt to actually dump Trump. If there were he would already be history.
All anyone would have to do is make a case that he put someone in charge of a government post authorized by congress with the intent shut the department down. That would be treason and he has committed the crime 100 times over by now. There is sufficient reason so it must not be the season, Trump is walking nepotism.
Hop on the bus Gus, making no plans Stan. There must be fifty ways to leave this blubber.
So the truth is Trump makes everyone happy and the opposition are posers.
You’re rolling in it. lol
You may disagree with him (I often do), but show respect. He is a serious man.
Yes I am.
I see your point, but how do you prove intent?
We have this thing called the deep state and they have hours of recordings. I don’t think Trump know how to keep his mouth shut so the leads to investigate have to be legion. Investigation would lead to hard evidence.
How many environmental regulations have been broken? Put the links in that chain together and you have your intent. What has Trump talked to John Bolton about? Perhaps the murder of brown people? I’m just making a wild guess. There has to be a mountain of treason there.
Has everyone lost their minds? Trump never stopped being Trump. This is not rocket science.
One thing I’m glad about Trump: he’s killed a lot fewer brown people than either of the two war criminals who preceded him, at least to this point in his Presidency.
“either of the two war criminals who preceded him”
There have been a lot more than two . . .
the (current era) war-criminal presidents stretches all the way back to Lyndon Baines Johnson.
Bravo CMC, bravo!
Think of DC at the highest levels as an organized crime family – hardly a stretch, since that is in fact exactly what it is. The first rule of existence in such organizations is that you don’t even think of challenging the Big Dog unless you’ve got overwhelming support and you know without a doubt that you’ll win. If you fail, you know damn sure that not only will you and everyone associated with you be utterly wiped out, but you will set back or eliminate your cause altogether permanently, and in the process greatly strengthen the Big Dog you tried to get rid of (as the Dems are about to find out). There are many major power players/brokers in DC these days, but no one sees the whole game perfectly or lacks for serious vulnerabilities themselves. We should all probably be grateful for that, as it’s the only thing keeping the current abomination – awful as it is – in check.
I agree with you, K-Dog. Trump has NEVER tried to hide what he is, aside from his lies about who he fucked, economically or otherwise. His public, crude, boorish persona has been on display daily since the campaign. Anybody who doesn’t see what he is, is willfully blinding themselves.
Those willfully blind are also always pretty quick to ascribe him with all sorts of fantastic powers & abilities – e.g. How he is planning to expose all the supposed corruption of everyone who is not a GOP TDS sufferer. Yeah, I won’t hold my breath.
You don’t hire Mahatma Ghandi to drive the Clanton gang out of Tombstone. You hire a rough man to do a rough job.
I just wish he’d get busy and do it.
Like I said, I won’t hold my breath.
FFvCS is, as they’d say in Edinburgh, “all mouth & trousers”, or in Texas, “ big hat, no cattle”.
Have you and Green Alba been exchanging quaint sayings? Here’s one they should say in Glasgow, ‘He’s all wind, and no bagpipe.”
“Have you and Green Alba been exchanging quaint sayings?”
No, hmuller – no need to. I’m Scots-Irish and hail from the most Scottish city outside of Scotland (Dunedin, New Zealand)
Many of the main city streets are transposed from Edinburgh. In fact, ‘Dunedin’ is the Scottish Gaelic for ‘Edinburgh’.
Here – have a look:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunedin
My mother and older brother are very well-brainwashed by MSNBC et. al. I should probably prepare for the upcoming holidays by making a list of ways to change the subject. 🙂
My holidays are always more exciting with direct confrontation. Love is so tough sometimes. A whack over the head with a heavy wooden spoon always does my rogue loved ones good ;-).
Loved ones? Multiple? Are you a dominatrix?
Damn SSL, you know what I like, and remember, I said bad things about Trump.
I have an off topic question. Have you heard of a lawyer named William Kunstler? He passed away already. I read about him recently in a piece about a nasty prison riot in NY and the litigation that followed it.
Haha you clicked past the local gossip section silly! Please don’t disturb Mr. K with such. I mean, that is just my lil’ ole suggestion.
Nutty Neutron– William Kunstler was a civil rights and Vietnam activist lawyer in the 1960s-70s. No relation to me.
Yes Mr. K, Chuck Todd is a talking cockatoo :-)!
Sort of a mini-plagiarism. Fred Kelly’s counterpart for GGG is “The Golden Cockatoo”,
I like the Golden Golem of Greatness a lot more.
Of course you do. You only understand two of the words and to you it sounds like praise.
Does it make you feel better to offer insults?
Does it raise the level of discourse? Increase the harmony of the universe?
Please just hit delete and move on. Do yourself and the world a favor.
Billy Hill
Yes – my mission is to entertain. Entertainment has many guises. I thank you for your contribution to the cause.
And thus we gain deeper and deeper appreciation of how the deep state functions in its many sundry false flag ops. If you think the targeting of Trump is the only or the worst thing going on here thing you really need to get out more. I’d like to believe that exposing these rogue actors here would at least begin to clean all this stuff up, but of course that would be foolish and naive in the extreme. The cancer has fully metastasized now, and there will be no turning back absent a near or total collapse of the illegitimate and fraudulent DC empire and its associated criminal tentacles throughout the world, followed war crime tribunals and public executions for all involved. Total thermonuclear warfare is a far more likely outcome.
How do you sleep at night? I prefer wide-eyed optimism no matter how naive and unrealistic it may appear. Life is miraculous and the Powers-that-be are benevolent and have only our best interests in mind…
LOL! Granted, I don’t sleep well at night at all, often for the same reasons you imply here. But I simply can’t turn it off. I consider it my personal cross to bear, to borrow a Christian term I’ve heard often. We’re all here to live up to whatever ideals we aspire to, and I’ve found mine. One hundred years from now future generations – if there are any – will sit in rightful judgement of us. I think we owe it to them to at least try to give a shit during our brief interim above ground, don’t ya’ think?
I hope that America is losing interest in the mainstream media Jim, and I for one tune in to NONE of it. I rely strictly on you and guys like Greg Hunter for my news because I know when I am being lied to and I won’t give those clowns the opportunity. It is so ridiculous to think that the Russians, if they were to hack any election in the first place, would pick Donald Trump over that lunatic bitch that sold them uranium for profit. Utterly ridiculous. You keep up the good reporting my friend, you are one of the very few real authorities that can be trusted. Well done!
You have a point. All Putin would have had to do is make a few donations to the Clinton Foundation and we would all be knowing Ded Moroz this Christmas instead of Santa. It would have worked out the same for the kids so it would all be good. Ho Ho.
Walter, what you ordinarily write is extremely difficult to get down but when you also let your lusty man-love flow so profusely it becomes downright nausea producing. I hope you return to your flaccid state once your missives are released into this turd pile.
If anyone can return a man to a flaccid state, it would be you, sweet Evelyn the Fifth.
Your humor tickles me hmuller.
What’s your sign and do you work out?
My condolences on your anger issues Eve. I thought that you embraced diversity. I guess I was wrong.
Walter what you do in the bedroom is your business. I just don’t want it to have to become my business. I’m not particularly fond of even watching hetero’s making love in public.
What kind of love making do you like to watch?
hmuller
I like the kind of love one sees when a dog welcomes home an owner it is devoted to.
If you were referring to carnal love then I’m fresh out of ideas how to answer. Men in general are not worthy of the love of a good woman but even if they are, I’d just as soon not have to witness any of the gooshy stuff.
Ok, i got it. Lassie coming home = good, Rhett carrying Scarlet up the crimson staircase = bad.
Carrying is fine, just not into seeing the subsequent burying…
I wonder what demographic still tunes in. I would imagine it would be largely those who were raised on the telly and they’re literally a dying breed…
My 93 year old father can’t work a DVD player, much less a computer. He gets his news from network TV and falls for most of their bullshit. Fortunately he forgets it all 10 minutes later.
Walter
So you’re saying you’ve chosen to build your own bubble, only receiving information that fits your already -set views. (That’s not to say those views are off-point…just that they may end up like the Japanese soldier-found-on-an-island in the 50’s trope…)
I still – and will continue to – take in all the MSNBC,CNN & Fox I have time for ( which isn’t much, admittedly). I leaven that with Matt Taibbi, JHK (though he’s starting to sound like Fox of late), Jimmy Dore and the like.
Refusing to hear the other view, even if you have written it off as decking lies! lies! lies! is just self-defeating, don’t you think?
y’all must have been in comas since before Kennedy was shot if you are just waking up to the fact that the media, CIA, and FBI are involved in the way the last paragraph describes.
Allen Dulles head of the CIA who hated Kennedy and was fired by him, headed up the investigation that produced the fiction aka the “Warren Report”.
Then you have the 911 hoax, the granddaddy of them all.
Both of those travesties favored the state of Israel so of course certain bloggers regard it as absurd to disbelieve the government’s ludicrous explanations.
Trump however with his snuggling up to Israel is not cast as a villain in this particular vulgar narrative that has been hammered at continuously, especially since Jerusalem was elevated in its status by the fool on the hill.
I wonder if this is a rare instance in which we find agreement Evelyn? I have been very disappointed that Trump has been so pro-Israel while shying away from pro-America and America First on so many fronts. That is a very vulgar narrative indeed. The point has been made several time that his family is intermarried with the “Tribe” so his interests are divided now at best. I believe you are correct that Israeli interests are superseding American interests in any case.
Good points all. Still not quite sure what to make of Trump’s infatuation with the Zionist state. Could be just plain old fashioned greed and political payoffs, but of course it could be a whole lot more. Trump comes off good in this analysis only in relation to the obviously even more deeply Deep State corrupted HRC Dems, which is the only reason he’s in office in the first place; but he’s certainly no choir boy either. He’s without a doubt our most openly corrupt and totally incompetent president yet. Such is the nature of our current plight that someone like Trump would appear to be our least worst alternative. We can thank the unified Duopoly Party for that. Refocusing the argument based economic class rather than politics clarifies things greatly.
Think about ME stability, the Muslims have been fighting each other for centuries and have had quite a few debates with visiting Christians. What would you support to stabilize the region, Shias, Sunnis, Kurds, Arabs, Christians, who?
There is only one regime that is Western in character and the US has backed Israel since its creation, along with Russia. Trump just continues the trend. Israel with its nukes, actually stabilizes the area as the only folks that challenge them are fundamentalist proxies for Iran. If Israel did not give a damn, they could remove the irritating gnats in Lebanon, Syria and Gaza in no time.
And remember that a goodly percentage of Israel is not even Jewish.
The ME was not a cauldron of instability until the 20th century when western imperialist interests went in for the oil. That the illegitimate Zionist state would support them should hardly be surprising, since they are nothing more than a western fabrication in the wake of WWII to atone for alleged Nazi war crimes.
Ellipsis — You will henceforth refer to Israel by name, not as “the illegitimate Zionist state.” There is nothing illegitimate about it. Your comment is scurrilous. — JHK Admin
Yea the Sunni Shia schism is only 100 years old right?
/sarcasm off
A mere local squabble until westerners fanned the flames and armed everyone to the teeth. Westerners always thinking they know what’s best for everyone else rather than tending to their own long-neglected interests.
Protestants and Catholics had some wars too, but for the most part learned to co-exist. Same with the Sunni and Shia. It’s the Wahabi (Sunni sect) fanatics who founded Saudi Arabia who vehemently consider the Shia heretics and want to wipe them out.
Weren’t you just defending the vile Saudi regime further up, hm?
When I said they supported ISIS? That was not a remark of approval. Quite the contrary.
No, I meant the bit about sawing heads, but re-reading it I see you mean ISIS, not the Saudis (read it too quickly and was thinking of Crown Prince Bone Saw, sorry.).
Just wait ’till the impeachment hearings head to the Senate, and it’s revealed to all that the nincompoop Biden is actually the one guilty of a quid pro quo (oooooh that’s Latin!) with Ukraine.
What a smart arse doofus.
You just can’t make this sh-t up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA–dj2-CY
“Touchy Feely” Uncle Joe may be unhinged but Hunter is a certified asshole. Cheats on his wife with his brothers widow, cheats on the widow and knocks up a girl 20 years younger, leaves the kids mother and dumps the widow, two weeks later marries a young girl from SA. Seems like the shitheads get all the action.
https://100percentfedup.com/photos-emerge-of-28-yr-old-beauty-who-claims-hunter-biden-fathered-her-child-during-relationship-with-deceased-brothers-wife/
who cares? not me. why bother to pay any attention?
Hunter Biden is at at the center of these impeachment proceedings and is representative of corruption and cronyism at the top. So far Schiff has been able to keep Biden’s name out of it, but when the Senate starts its trial the name Hunter Biden will loom large. That’s why we should pay attention, Malthus.
Brh
Unless the democrats are even more clueless than has been repeatedly asserted here, I see no way the Pandora’s box of an impeachment can be allowed to be opened in the Senate.
They should prolong the inquiry process by widening the its scope. The focus on just Ukraine is too narrow.
He has violated his duties to the constitution in so many other ways – keep the spotlight on everything the dirtbag has been doing since he planted his fat ass in the driver’s seat.
so many crisis’s.
so many monsters.
deep state.
The irony here is I’d probably like the guy if I ran into him in a bar out on the Vineyard or something. Sounds like the kind of dude who buys drinks all around and wouldn’t mind showing off his yacht down at the harbor. And on board plenty cold beer and Asian hotties. “Help yourself, Marlin!” What’s not to like, really?
Brh
Marlin…as I suspected. Your railing about coke & hookers has all been seated in a deep sense of envy!
“so many crisis’s.”
Q just spat his coffee over his keyboard. 🙂
New York in 1945 produced 10% of the national GNP by itself. It was a manufacturing center with a unique,high-value product necessitated by the very high prices for land in the city.
Don’t call it a conspiracy, but the large landowners in the city could see that, if the land could be moved from manufacturing to residential and offices, they could revalue land at a much higher price. To accomplish this the city had to kill off its unique manufacturing ecosystem. It did; not even the garment district maintains any clothing manufacturing any more.
There’s a difference between a city that produces real products that require a physical reality and a city that sells services, as NYC has become. You cannot Wheel billions of drywall into place with a few clicks on a keyboard: it has to be hauled and hung and spackled by men who will do the work (and the dust from the sanding makes a goo in your nose… ugh). This disconnection from the physical reality of producing has caused the city to become more and more unhinged. It seems that wealth that comes out of the magic of media and finance leads people to think that all wealth is likewise ephemeral and make-believe.
I’d suggest that the same dynamic is on display in DC. We had to create an overpowering bureaucracy to build all the weaponry to win World War 2. Kimmel and Short were held accountable for dereliction at Pearl Harbor after that disaster, regardless of culpability.
Since World War 2, we have spent more money and won fewer conflicts, and the ones we won are not the clear-cut victories of yesteryear. And disasters like 9/11 have no one being held accountable.
The military has been left without a clear purpose that it can achieve. The USA is unconquerable due to nuclear weapons. Meanwhile, we spend over $1trln on defense and intelligence, and there’s no connection to reality for much of that complex. It’s unsurprising that, bored or threatened, it has looked for a job to do.
The Long Emergency will at least make life more real, if not quite a bit harder for everyone.
Good post Doc.
It is happening all over. Clothing mills existed all over the country. They are all gone. No more Norma Raes. We used to produce what we consumed, no longer.
There has always been a question of what happens when you send so many jobs overseas that it affects consumer demand here.
IMHO, that is where we are now, labor movement has met a wall of diminishing returns.
Thanks for the kind words, John.
I meant to sum up my post: idle hands are the Devil’s playthings. It’s true of NYC, DC, and everywhere. Unearned wealth is a blight.
This is just Globalism 1.0 redux. Your mistake is in assuming that the US was ever considered in any way indispensable in the first place. We were always just a temporary nationalist means toward a “glorious” globalist end. The parasites are nearly through with us now.
The inventions made before we were an empire (and, frankly, the atomic bomb) contributed greatly to Human well being. We might not have been indispensable but we weren’t unuseful.
Now? We’re not needed to protect Europe from Russia, Japan from China, or Korea from both. We seem to be good at spending on defense and killing people who don’t, and who aren’t nuclear armed.
Madeline Albright might have made the claim you cited. I prefer Pompidou: the graveyards are full of indispensable men.
You think that the USA has won wars?
The only war that it won was the Revolutionary War.
It lost its own civil war.
Every wr its started or join has been a disaster for the US, since 1800.
I’d even question the Revolution. Canada achieved independence without firing a shot. It took years after the Revolution before the economy and society returned to the status quo ante.
But “we” used to “win” wars unambiguously. It seemed Gulf War 1 was such, but no: another quagmire. That we should never have attacked Spain or taken part in WW1 doesn’t obscure the fact: the government of the USA was able to impose its political will on the opponents of those wars. That’s called a win, and it was, for the government. For the people? Not so much.
Thanks. Im not a history buff.
But I know who Judah Benjamin is.
Civil War was lose/lose that’s for sure!
Skimmed off the best of the Southern male gene pool and left the dregs to propagate and eventually spread its rot throughout the entire remaining population.
Plummeting us from the likes of Abraham Lincoln all the way down to the scummy bottom of the presidential gallery.
Good Lord this is profound. Put a frame around it.
The Lord is not good. He allows babies to die by the millions, chuckles at the suffering of cancer victims, has enabled countless forms of human suffering to occur, sits idly watching species die, has an ego problem beyond all measure, and is a hypocrite in extreme. Asking you to forgive your neighbor for raping you daughter or killing your dog but will watch you
writhe in hell for all eternity for dis’ing him. He is a bad ass mean mother fu**er you don’t want to cross, even if you catch him in a good mood which judging from the hell he imposes on earth he is never in.
Billy Hill if you think the Lord is good you have been suckered my friend, big time!
EvelynV,
Maybe life a really rough computer game in which our minds are engaged. To make it real and interesting, for the length of each game we voluntarily give up all memory of the superior beings we are and the place we truly live.
Elon Musk is convinced we are conscious minds existing in a computer simulation. Of course, Elon Musk can’t built a car that doesn’t explode for no good reason. But maybe that’s all part of the game; it’s all good now.
hmuller
the “computer” aspect of the hypothesis is a clumsy way of putting it but gets the idea across.
I prefer to start with the idea that pure consciousness is the only thing that exists (and the word “exists” is another clumsy construct but can’t think of a better one right now).
So starting with pure consciousness that is infinite (using another clumsy word), what would pure consciousness do with itself? (more clumsy nomenclature)
When a person has a visionary experience it doesn’t occur as coming upon a vast heretofore unknown landscape. Rather one is swept with a profound sense of remembering.
A salute to you for the insight you seem to have.
Thanks EvelynV, after your first entry above I thought you might be a nihilist.
It certainly would be the ultimate practical joke if a dead, meaningless, unconscious universe managed to create conscious life forms who aspired to be so much more, but couldn’t .
Some people say US Grant was the bottom.
Grant was a good president. The “some” you reference are some of the dregs I referred to.
Most of what Grant tried to accomplish was thwarted by the corruption of the many assholes who got in the way.
So Grant was the Donald J. Trump of his time and you are just to dense to understand that.
Got it.
Thanks for the insight into your fetid soul.
Bentover
It’s gratifying whenever you expose what an ignorant nincompoop you are.
Grant’s bone spurs didn’t seem to prevent him from being the great general he showed himself to be. I doubt that Grant ever desired to fuck his own daughter. Grant was the complete opposite in so many ways, always going as far out of his way to escape the attention and adulation the public wanted to bestow on him. He was utterly respected by his men and his foes alike.
But what I liked best about Grant is he was determined in every way to help the emancipated black citizens to advance in the society they were free to become a part of. And this is where the assholes of the world took over. In particular the Southern assholes.
Furthermore his approach to solving the problem of native Americans, in particular the Comanche was benign. He sought to provide them peace and security on their reservations but the goods and supplies allotted to them from Washington were continually stolen and filched by the asshole’s who had the chore of delivering them to the Indians. The Indians who had willingly surrendered themselves to the care of the government would inevitably erupt in violence against their abusers who pushed them to the brink of starvation which inevitably resulted in slaughters by the Indians. This of course led to pressure on Grant to do something about it. He grudgingly had to assign Sheridan the job of cleaning up the mess the white assholes created.
What a goddamn idiot you are bentover to think that a piece of shit like Trump can be compared to anyone that the world respects.
my my I seem to have hit a nerve.
Take that hate down from a rolling boil to a low simmer before you have a heart attack or stroke.
What was the unemployment numbers under Grant?
Can you break them down by race?
As far as putting Indians on the rez that is a non-starter for any topic of conversation since the reservation system has been hell for anyone on them until the Indian tribes figured out they could host casinos.
You piss and moan about how stupid people are and then you prove over and over that the really stupid and arrogant one is always you. You wallow in that nasty attitude of yours which I get since it appears daddy touched your no no spot.
I assure you I have no interest in your no no spot your safe in that regard. To old, to nasty, and I bet all them cats make you smell.
Jeez, benr…get a GRIP!
Military spending is just make work with an ironclad rationale. I have 28 year old clients with supply chain management degrees, that keep up with spare parts that will one day be thrown out like the stuff in your basement, making $85,000-$100,00/yr.
All these security conferences, and software to assist the warfighter and it’s been going on since star wars and vaporware days with Reagan in the 80s.
They paid billions to re-design the space station 3times making it smaller every time and now we can only get there riding on a Russian rocket…
. Billions on pallets to Iraq, trillions disappeared in accounting fraud announced by Rumsfeld on 9/10/2001, more admirals than ships–A waste so colossal it created the geography of nowhere.
And since I am in the medical field–healthcare is an even a bigger fraud of useless spending….
These young people with good jobs have trouble seeing Reality clearly. How many young people (under 40) read this blog?
How did all this come about, RD?
Legacy of the Cold War?
It’s right-wing make-work. Or it was, until the Clintons. Since then, VA has turned purple, now blue. The CIA was Dulles’ Republican secret branch of government. Now it should have become clear: the CIA and FBI, once reliably Republican and reactionary, have joined the Progressive elite.
One wonders if the R’s will now return to the mid-century opposition to Roosevelt’s big state and dump the neocons who’ve cling to them since Reagan. The mistake that the Progressives have made is that FDR actually did something for both the elite Progressive class AND the working class. The current setup serves only the people at the top.
In short: cutting defense and intelligence to a combined $200bln will no longer undermine mostly Republican constituencies but cut off funding for Democrats in the DC region.
That’s what the fight is about. If the money spent on defense doesn’t buy the Republicans support, then they’ll eventually figure out that it should be cut off. They are, however, the stupid party.
Yeah, well paid make work.
The problem is we used to manufacture everything from nuts and bolts to whole cloth. Now all we seem to manufacture are armaments.
Brh
“The problem is we used to manufacture everything from nuts and bolts to whole cloth. Now all we seem to manufacture are armaments.”
For a moment I thought you were talking about the UK, benr…
brh, sorry, not benr. Fingers ran away with me.
We’ve already been conquered from within. From above and then from without when the Conspirators brought in a hundred million non-Whites from abroad.
The lack of subtlety of modern Westerners is truly frightening. Outer technical and scientific genius. Inward emptiness and brittleness. Flight from the organic realities of blood and soil and the spiritual Truths as well.
Not to mention what could be achieved by use of laboratory produced lethal microorganisms.
The US is not unconquerable. When the time is right our throats can be cut by shutting down the internet.
Minnie: “no DNA test, no photographs of the body, no fingerprints taken, no dental records checked to establish identity.”
Did Trump’s friends teach him to use bone saws on Epstein?
I posted the relevant link earlier, but here it is again for anyone who is interested in the very curious way in which the “Epstein” “autopsy” was conducted:
https://www.fort-russ.com/2019/11/epstein-is-alive-part-2-no-dna-test/
Well, looking ahead, Mike Bloomberg has entered the race on the Dem side. If he gets the nomination I think he could garner votes from moderates in both parties and possibly win the presidency. He’s not jumping in blind, and must have market researchers and political advisors telling him he has a chance.
Brh
How correct you are brh. With Bloomberg in the race I now have to revise my prediction on Michelle entering the race. Now I say she probably won’t enter at all.
Bloomberg changes everything. My guess is the DNC will back him to the hilt. I have no doubt he will be the Democratic candidate running against Trump.
Bloomberg satisfies the crazy left of center Dems and Warren takes care of the, off the scale bat shit crazy, majority of the rest of the party. So look for a Bloomberg/Warren vs Trump/Pence contest next year.
The outcome of this contest will depend on who can cheat the most. Seeing as how the Dems control the voting machines and social media, my money goes on the Dems.
We could do worse than Bloomberg, SS.
He’s not my first choice but he did a pretty good job running NYC. Mayor of New York has to be the 2nd hardest political job in the country after POTUS.
At least he’d get the country over this hump of crazy batshit presdential abuse of EVERYONE and back to some sort of calm & ‘normality’.
(Woo – that’s going to attract some flack from the CT mo!)
Yes because people want to be told what size soda they are not allowed to buy!
Seriously if this fool wants to get involved in your soda purchase what facet of your life won’t he try and get into?
That is as bad as a grocery store plastic bag ban that instead makes people buy them. This then begs the question where is the ban?
I had the chance to feed one to a sea turtle this summer but he was not interested in it at all so I offered him a straw instead.
Don’t you know he was not interested in either!
So now what do I do with all these straws and plastic bags I have?
I guess I could offer all the plastic bags to evilyn for her mountains of cat poop she collects. I’m sure her neighbors are being asphyxiated by the smell as we type and read this board.
She can also have the straws for her admitted drug problem.
Don’t say I was never nice to you now!
You have a particularly large orifice on your face…why don’t you just fill THAT with your unwanted plastic detritus?
“So now what do I do with all these straws and plastic bags I have?”
I don’t know about the straws, benr (but you can at least slit them lengthwise before you dispose of them).
For the plastic bags, some supermarkets here have collection facilities, from where the bags are recycled into other plastic products, possibly more bags… Perhaps you’re not so well organised.
But it’s curious what you say about the bag ‘ban’, because in the UK and Ireland charging for plastic bags has been extremely successful in seriously reducing the number used and changing behaviour. Maybe you folks just have too much money 🙂
I’ve still got strong, reusable shopping bags from a shop in France, of which I bought a few because I liked them. They’ve been on the go 20 years now, along with more recently bought ones which have also lasted for years.
My local corner shop still sells single use bags, but they’re biodegradable. Nobody made them change to biodegradable, they just did.
All the small bags we use for collecting the dog’s poop are biodegradable too.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-1000-POO-BAGS-DIRECT-Large-Eco-Friendly-Green-Dog-Waste-Bags-Easy-Hanging/253740827817?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
I’m sure you have them too. 🙂
@ ga
My gripe is no common sense was applied when they looked at passing the law we have idiots in charge who never look at better ways to do simple things.
They call it a ban and yet I can buy them.
They are far more solid and less likely to biodegrade.
I wish California legislatures had mandated the plastic be made from soybean oil so they not only degrade over time but if something does eat them they are not as toxic.
As a surfer and hiker it makes me mad to see how people just throw trash everywhere and I am forced to pick up after people all the time because I can’t stand to see the trash.
The late, great Chalmers Johnson. Here he is explaining US empire and why Americans are unable to contextualize world events.
https://youtu.be/oOjYteh-ZRs
“First, there will be a state of perpetual war.
Second is a loss of democracy and Constitutional rights as the presidency eclipses Congress and is itself transformed from a co-equal ‘executive branch’ of government into a military junta.
Third is the replacement of truth by propaganda, disinformation, and the glorification of war, power, and the military legions.
Lastly, there is bankruptcy, as the United States pours its economic resources into ever more grandiose military projects and shortchanges the education, health, and safety of its citizens.”
Chalmers Johnson, The Sorrows of Empire, 2005
Sums it up, doesn’t it?
“Lastly, there is bankruptcy, as the United States pours its economic resources into ever more grandiose military projects and shortchanges the education, health, and safety of its citizens.”
And keep in mind . . . when the US goes bankrupt, the entire global financial edifice goes down the toilet with it. There will be none unscathed in the ultimate systemic fiasco.
After which will come the all-digital global currency 2.0, for those lucky enough to be invited into the club, of course. It’ll be the long awaited new age dispensation!
As a quote
from an important part of a MMORPG game I play,
right at the point of when you are actually approaching a vendor to make a purchase . . .
a VERY serious voice comes on and asks a pertinent question:
“You got gold?”
After the Denouement ,
if it ain’t gold or silver,
it ain’t shit.
I agree with JHK that the media will try to make it all sound too complicated for the ordinary person to understand. They really are dishonest and disgusting and too many people are stupid and lazy and won’t make the effort to try to understand what is going on. Those who are able to look into it for the most part will not because they hate Trump, etc. I think it is something about his hair or the way he talks or just does not look ‘presidential’ and is embarrassing. Samantha Power was on Ireland’s main talk show a f ew weeks ago, the Late Late Show, which is just a vehicle to promote the ‘progressive’ (read ‘stoopid’) agenda. I noticed her on JHK’s list of the guilty in an earlier article. I did not watch the programme (the only thing I watch is football – ‘soccer’ to you) but the host was sure to have flattered and sucked up to her.
Sean, you are mistaken. The media wouldn’t have to *try* to do anything for it to be too complicated for a glob of people who elected george bush twice and even worse elected trump and his white haired bible thumping ghoul to the highest political office on earth.
In the land where until recently there were a billion or so VCR devices blinking 12:00 non-stop, virtually nothing can be done to uncomplicate things below the average persons’ threshold of comprehension.
* oops – elsewhere I referred to the two Susans. It should have been the two S’s – Susan Rice, Samantha Power.
Jim wrote:…”the company named Crowdstrike, owned by Ukrainian oligarch Dmitri Alperovitch, cooked up the Russian hacking story in the first place.”
Are you sure about this, Jim? You know ,just because Adam Schiff is a pathological liar does not mean the GGG gets a pass on a mental health check. And just because Russiagate was/is a pathetic hoax, does not entitle the president and/or his palace wordsmiths to spin an equally fantastic tale.
Alperovitch, the co-founder of Crowdstrike and its CTO, is an American citizen, a son of Soviet expats. He has no known ties to Ukraine, and the idea that he – supposedly one of the “world renowned” experts in cyber security – would physically try to “hide” DNC hardware to another continent in his presumed motherland, doubtless strikes the computer literate crowd, as the drooling kind of idiocy.
It looks to me that this “Ukrainian connection” to the 2016-election hacking saga is a clever plant by the Deep State operatives to ensnare the childish president and send him fishing in the “wrong” swamp. And of course Trump took the Bidens bait hook, line and sinker. Its only effect so far is that it gave Fiona Hill her moments of glory in revealing for a grand Schiff’s seance that Trump was duped by Putin’s counter-espionage op.
Incidentally, on the Horowitz report: Chris Wallace ran a preview of its salient points last night on Fox and said that despite Clinesmith’s sleight of hand, the DOJ IG’s paper will say that on the whole the Russia investigation into Trump was justified.
Well, ladies and germs;
The BBC, this Am, reports that Hitler’s top hat is to be auctioned off…for charity, don’t you know.
This is an amazing opportunity to own a slice of history, not to mention that the slice has practical applications;
It is a well-known fact* that Hitler called his top hat “Fritzie”, and was very fond of wearing it…many pictures show his pleasure while dressing in style.
You can now invest in this priceless relic. You too, can benefit from the increasing value of the artifact…you too can be (Do I have to say it?)…”Putting on the Fritz….”.
*…maybe
And…the link;
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50544236
Wait a minute.
Hitler had a top hat?
E, you know the rules
Right now I’m pouring myself a 3 finger shot of Wild Turkey and you must do the same.
Yes, thems the rules and we have to abide by them, that’s all!
Brh
“Right now I’m pouring myself a 3 finger shot of Wild Turkey and you must do the same.”
BRH,
But, when I imbibe, my whiskey of choice is Ezra Brooks…. Should I seek a dispensation? I sometimes will indulge in a whiskey sour…a manly drink if served without the umbrella….
With the umbrella? Let me ask you a question…”Do you own a weed whacker?”
As a matter of fact EL, I do not own a weed whacker, why do you ask?
I think it is properly-termed a
line trimmer.
Especially if it is a Husky.
Is that WT 101 proof?
Now you done it I just poured myself a wee dram to ward of the winter chill.
“As a matter of fact EL, I do not own a weed whacker”
Saint,
Fear not, for I am…tolerant….
Sure, the paper will SAY that on the whole the Russia investigation into Trump was justified. And, if I was a betting man, I would bet on a white-wash. Nothing to see here folks, move along, move along.
In my view, this Russia investigation was an investigation built on nothing, especially not common sense. Why would Trump go to the Russians for help in winning an American presidential election? Help me here because I’ve never been able to figure it out. What sense does that make? What expertise do the Russians have in American politics or anything else, that can’t be found underfoot in the good ole US of A?
Putin is a despot. Or, if you want to take the more generous view, he’s an aspiring despot. And what legitimizes a despot’s rule more effectively than a foreign enemy? Who would be the more menacing foreign enemy to Russia and therefore legitimize Putin’s rule more effectively, Hillary or the Donald? Why would the Russians meddle to get Trump as opposed to Hillary? If they’re going to fiddle about, it makes more sense to get the president that’s of more use to the Russian regime presently in power, ie Hillary.
Yes, Putin is a despot, but it takes a despot to rule an immense and wild country like Russia.
Russia is not ready for Jeffersonian Democracy and never will be.
Brh
Despotism is a common thing. In any case, governors rule with the acquiescence of the governed. Look at what they did with the commies in Eastern Europe.
Putin a despot? That seems to be the received wisdom here in propaganda land. I haven’t received it yet, but will likely return it to the sender unread if I do. I do think we have more than our share of aspiring despots right here, though. All authoritarians are not despots, but more than a few slick talking “Liberals” (who often brand themselves as “Conservatives” too) definitely are.
If it quacks like a duck…
But does it provide more QE and lowering of rates to the Banks by the Federal Reserve,
and is that worth examining in this case?
Maybe yes,
Maybe no,
What do you think?
“Why would the Russians meddle to get Trump as opposed to Hillary? If they’re going to fiddle about, it makes more sense to get the president that’s of more use to the Russian regime presently in power, ie Hillary.”
I wonder about your premise, V, that Putin needs to legitimize his power. First, grudges can take a long time to die. Hillary supported Putin’s opposition back in 2011. The election results were largely believed to be fraudulent. In 2016, Hillary said the man had no soul. So she’s the enemy, right.
My point is that Putin would much rather have an ally rather than an enemy. He ‘legitimizes’ his power through the Oligarchs, murder, and intimidation. Remember back in Helsinki, when Trump said that he couldn’t see why Russia would meddle in our elections? Sanctions seem to be a mixed bag. First ease them, then this:
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/09/25/on-the-record-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/
Putin doesn’t want or need US opposition.
Putin doesn’t have to create a “Great Satan”. Many argue he is one himself.
Volodya
I don’t think it was a case of the Trump Campaign ‘going to Putin’ for help. The help was forthcoming without solicitation. So, no – FFvCS didn’t collude with Russia in subverting the campaign…I doubt the brains-trust of DJTJ, Eric, Ivanka & Jared could have even conceived of it.
As well, your question of ‘why not support Hillary?’
Trump is a disrupter, as we all agree, I think. That was a better outcome for Putin, but if Hillary had won, there’ still have been a huge disenchanted US electorate.
Putin, in my view, has succeeded beyond his wildest dreams in destabilizing the Post-War Western Alliance.
The same operation was launched on the Brexit issue, another big win.
How long would it have been before a majority Republican House would have been running impeachment hearings on Hillary? And on what conspiracy-theory grounds?
Albeit justified in that case. The grounds were and are obvious (‘Server Gate,” the Ukrainian coup, MH17, et al), but of course the deep state and political considerations would have limited the scope of all that stuff.
@ellipsis
No Hillary is clean as the driven snow not a hint of scandal ever no intent don’t ya know.
Didn’t Trey Gowdy’s committee spend weeks & $millions and got nothing on her, benr?
I’m not saying she’s NOT guilty of all sorts of egregious acts, but she’s at least way smarter than your tribe, as evidenced often enough, by the fact that there’s yet to be any form of an indictment.
Gotchya!
Wow I mean this is totally hilarious. You are ok to let Hill slide no matter what egregious acts she has committed because she is smart. The smartest will survive or the strongest will survive, whatever. You are a total Darwinian and fully invested in might makes right.
Or at least that is what it sounds like. Seems you should amend or clarify your statement, but that’s just me.
SSL
No, I’m not saying she should slide on egregious acts. Im just applying Nightowl’s tiresome trope – where’s the evidence? Goody tried & tried to get some and failed abysmally. That’s because of three possible reasons (and I genuinely don’t know which it is):
1) Gowdy et al are completely incompetent idiots (let’s face it Trey looks like Howdy Doody withou the freckles); or
2) the was no evidence to find; or
3) she’s guilty of (whatever -it actually doesn’t matter any more…they couldn’t pin her for a parking ticket) but is too smart to get caught.
This last one is in direct comparison to FFvCS who is incapable of getting out of his own way,. WHEN he goes down, it’ll all be on him. But he’ll bitch & moan like a spoilt brat and you’ll feel sorry for him, I don’t doubt.
“Why would the Russians meddle to get Trump as opposed to Hillary?”
Because they do not want a nuclear war, perhaps?
“Jim wrote:…”the company named Crowdstrike, owned by Ukrainian oligarch Dmitri Alperovitch, cooked up the Russian hacking story in the first place.”
Um, that factually incorrect on several levels, Jim. I call ‘fake news’ on you. I even suspect you’ve garnered that from GOP talking points…
Crowdstrike is a US Company, based in California. The CEO and co-founder is Noo Joisy – born, George Kurtz (simple 1xbillionaire, not yet multi, but working on it I’m sure).
Another co-founder is Russian-born Dimitri Alperovitch, whose father emigrated to Canada and when he was 14 y/o and then to Chattanooga in 1995 when he was 15. He was educated at Georgia Tech. Yes, he’s rich, but he made his money the American way. He’s neither a Ukrainian or an Oligarch.
These are egregious errors of fact for one so bent on accuracy.
As well, Crowdstrike – regardless of the utter bullshit spewing from the mouth of FFvCS, can’t be ALL bad, because the RNC currently contracts it to provide its cyber & network security for the current campaign:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/republicans-hired-the-same-cybersecurity-firm-as-the-hacked-dnc-but-its-not-clear-that-was-a-bad-idea
“The committee has no immediate plans to change vendors, a person familiar with the matter told (the reporter).’ …If it does, do you think Ghouliani’s mob might win a no-bid contract?
https://www.zdnet.com/article/nobody-seems-to-know-what-rudy-giulianis-cybersecurity-company-actually-does/
‘The word is that…’ is all FFvCS offers as evidence to Steve Doocey on Fox & Friends the other day, regarding the DNC server/Ukraine conspiracy.
Pretty sure that wouldn’t pass Jim’s (and possibly not Nightowl’s) standards of evidence. Yet…*crickets*
What was the claim/statement of fact?
You appear to be unravelling in real time.
I can’t seem to shake an overwhelming dread that the people of the USA or perhaps, all humans are obsessed with theatre, accepting fantasies, fairy tales, and illusions at face value as some form of perverse reality. I see everywhere an obsession with the fantasies of politics, television, God, Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, and the Easter bunny with an extra dose of extra-terrestrial aliens, Sasquatch, Nessie, and the Bermuda Triangle; lies and illusions lapped up like mothers’ milk.
Is there anybody out there that would like to venture a guess as to the amount of Internet postings that are generated by computer algorithms? I’m going with 25% minimum.
If these two subject areas seem disparate, then you are probably dreaming about impeachment with visions of sugar plums dancing in your head.
~toktomi~
Surely visions dance in your head as well. Perhaps if they are not dancing around there it’s time to do a reboot.
@SSL
But yes, I would imagine that more than most my head is filled with visions of all sorts. All except the absurdities of mainstream media and national politics among a few others.
I am drawn more to the tangibles; orally fixated and all, having drawn my earliest sustenance at the breast.
Now, if somebody were to offer up some plausible insights into how the ruling elite work their violence upon the masses then I would be most attentive. Otherwise, I’m totally weary of the national political theatre version of the WWE. There is no tangible take-away from performance art masquerading as reality.
I drop in here occasionally still as a holdover from the old days of KFN and the KunstlerCast when James had something interesting to say most of the time rather than infrequently. I search also for the rare gem that is offered by some commenter – seldom occurs.
There is a behavior, or so I contend, that primates practice. They gather and talk, talk, talk about nothing in particular. I was first enamored of this behavior watching a film in an Anthropology class in college about macaques. All bunched up they were just chattering up a storm. I have since that experience called this behavior, Monkey Chatter. That, to me, is what this comment section is – Monkey Chatter and nothing more, apparently a primate social necessity but an intellectual wasteland. But it is one of the dozens of sites that I wander gathering small gems from time to time.
And naturally, I could be totally wrong in all of my assessments.
~toktomi~
Very interesting, well you know, it seems like to me you have already found your answer about the Monkey Chatter. May I be so bold as to suggest that the Monkey Chatter meets an innate and intrinsic human need and behavior. Social connection first and then sharing information second. Information sharing or gem hunting. It’s all basically the same maybe. And here is another thought. Could part of the way in which the Elite work violence on the masses be withholding information and keeping secrets. No Monkey Chatter and no gems st all. It is absurd oftentimes but national politics is also a barometer and thermometer and can predict civil storms. Many people say we should expect stormy weather. Just some thoughts for your consideration.
Ah!!! Thanks, guys (toktomi & SSL).
I’ve been struggling with what my problem with your posts has been SSL. It’s like..lots of words, but no coherent idea or meaning- lots of little ideas, which you as often as not, discount in the next clause. Here’s the answer- it’s Monkey Chatter. And your own definition of what it is and why, is bang on. It explains you perfectly.
And, believe it or not, this is not a snarky remark. It’s an epiphany for me. I now know HOW to read your posts and the frustration has fallen away.
Seriously, this is good thing for me. I’ll be disinclined to slap you upside the head any more.
Commenters assert that “Putin is a despot.” That strikes me as a dumb, precooked idea. Putin is the elected president — yes, it’s true! — of a nation with a very rough political history. The federation that replaced the Soviet Union comes out of the same rough culture. I would not assert that Mr. Putin is an exemplary democratic leader, but neither do I subscribe to the unexamined idea that he is a kind of demon. He appears to be running his rough country capably, which is more than you can say for the entire spectrum of US politics.
Yes Jim, Putin is the elected president, but are those elections on the level? It seems like inside Russia many of his political opponents end up in jail, or in the case of journalists, murdered.
I give those guys points for originality. Polonium? Who would have thought? I guess good old fashioned back-alley, gun-or-knife rub-outs are just too boring. Having said that, the old methods have reliability going for them. Remember Gerald Bull? Five bullets according to one account.
clinton bc
obama bc
debbie bc
so there.
“…the elected president, but are those elections on the level?”
BRH,
Rather you ask…”Are ours?” Consider the 2000 Florida recount….
You got me there, E.
Can anyone,
ANYONE,
Prove to us,
That there have EVER
been an honest election, anywhere,
any time,
any place.
ever.
Putin’s longevity at the top is starting to look highly suspect. After this current term is up, will he find some way to hang onto power? Anyone want to put bets on that?
And his critics have a way of getting killed which is passing strange. But if we don’t like the word despot, find some other word or terminology. In any case, what would legitimize someone like Putin being boss better than a credible foreign threat? Hillary fits the bill a lot better than Trump.
A despot legitimizes himself in many ways. Media control, surveillance, propaganda, fraud, fear, etc. How about an internal threat?
https://www.rferl.org/a/putin-russia-president-1999-chechnya-apartment-bombings/30097551.html
I’m always ready to bet.
“And his critics have a way of getting killed which is passing strange.”
#Epstein
Putin’s longevity at the top is starting to look highly suspect. After this current term is up, will he find some way to hang onto power? Anyone want to put bets on that?
Once again, a westerner’s viewpoint projected on another. So what? Imagine if we somehow managed to have a “perfect” leader in charge, would we necessarily want to change him/her “just because” our precious constitution said we must?
Leaving aside the argument of what in the fuck is it our business anyway? We Americans have become puritanical political idiots in the highest tradition of our ancestors. Political prudes of the highest order!
If I were Russian, I’d join in the chorus of “Fuck off Yankees, we’ll take care of our own business just fine without you, thank you very much!”
Erdogan: Democracy is a Train. You get off at your stop.
You certainly don’t fall in love with the shaky, oh so fallible process. If you get to someplace good – like Putin – you try and stay there. Monarchy is so much more stable and not necessarily worse by any means in terms of who you get, policy, etc.
I think Mr. Putin seems like a good leader too given the country and circumstances. He does seem very capable in governing Russia and he seems to be very popular as near as I can tell. Could you imagine if we had a President who sent out video and pics of his bare chested hunting and fishing exploits! I think the talking heads would explode on live television lol!
Good point SSL. ‘Despot’ is the wrong word to describe Putin. He’s what Russia needed after the disaster of 7 decades of Communism, and then the implosion of Yeltsin. Russia is an interesting country, is it not?
No it’s not. It’s a fair designation. Crooked elections and murder.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2018/jul/19/chris-wallace-vladimir-putins-critics-dead/
https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/a-list-of-murdered-russian-journalists-that-moscow-says-it-didn-t-kill-1.6133887
You can find more if you want to.
He’s not a despot because he brings order to the country? Puhleeze!
I see you’ve conveniently forgotten nearly a decade of Wall Street looting in the 90’s, Brh. Damn, you might want to pull that silver spoon out of your mouth long enough to brush up on recent history at least. Yeltsin was hardly a cause; he was just a convenient fool.
You exaggerate SSL. The talking heads didn’t even explode when our dear leader let it out he wishes he could fuck his daughter.
In my experience, someone who comes up with this based on what Trump actually said has far more disgusting thoughts of their own.
Perv.
No doubt your experience with being around perverted disgusting people makes you more qualified to recognize Trump’s tells. But I doubt you are always correct.
This from the angry cat lady watch out Evilyn fall asleep long enough they might eat that wrinkled face of yours.
Evidence from his own mouth, on multiple occasions? Not good enough for you?
And please resist trying to argue the meaning of ‘dating’.
“… he wishes he could fuck his daughter.
Evelyn,
Who wouldn’t…?
Are you freaking serious!?!?
CC,
Well, Trump’s daughter is semi-hot…Yes?
Do you eat with those fingers? With that mouth?
Well tell us what you think Janos, was Trump only meaning he’d like to have oral sex with his daughter or do you think he had boning her in mind? When he was humping Storming do you think he imagined he was with Ivanka? Did she cross his mind?
Did he gasp out her name in the throes of his rutting frenzy?
EEw your post says you still think about sex and most of all with Trump who appears to be a hated daddy figure to you.
Tell me did daddy do something nasty to you?
If so I am sorry that happened to you and it explains your irrational anger issues and all around nasty disposition.
I will try and be a little nicer to you knowing this data.
1. Stormy had to pay Trump’s legal fees
2. Avenetti is facing 335 years in prison
2. RE: part II, do you want to tell us something?
“Tell me did daddy do something nasty to you?”
Evelyn…you do not have to answer! Just point to places on the doll where he touched you….
At this point it should not have to be explained but I guess it has to be done.
Trump likes to shock people and get them disoriented. First he gives you a disease then he gives you himself as the cure.
This is a pretty good analogy.
Once as a youngin I put on boxing gloves to see what it was like. A bully challenged me to do this, and in truth I wanted to punch him in the face. He pissed me off. He was mean to everybody and I did not care how many times he nailed or hurt me if I could get one good jab in it would be all worth it so I took him up his challenge.
So we started and he started beating me down. With every hit I got weaker and my vision narrowed. I was determined and I tried as hard as I could to keep taking and not give up waiting for my opportunity. Finally I connected. Not as hard as I wanted to because he had made me pretty weak by then but he staggered back and almost fell over. It was beautiful, mission accomplished!
After that the bully decided I was a tough bastard and left me alone. My point though, and I do have one, is that Trump does the same thing.
Every time Trump does something outrageous like openly lust after his daughter it is like a boxing glove hitting you on the chin. You are a bit weaker, the walls close in, and you swallow a little more Trump bullshit with every jab. It is just like someone shuffling walnut shells and when you are distracted, hiding the pea and tricking you. Trump has the ability to knock sense out of you without event touching you or you even knowing what happened. The shit eating grin he wears on his face he wants you to have.
The difference being you wear it because you are confused and Trump doesn’t. If you are left feeling disgusted by him or alternatively amused, Trump has accomplished his objective. He has left you too confused to remember anything but the confusion. Mission accomplished.
Trump has the ability to knock sense out of you without even touching you or you even knowing what happened.
I would argue that half of the American electorate has no sense.
The fact that they vote Democrat screams it and the fact that last election essentially had two people a complete corrupted Jabba the hut Hillary and the Don King of business AKA Trump.
“Trump has accomplished his objective”
Well…the Dog finally gets it. Chows are biters…not stupid.
I still don’t believe that ever happened. Prove it!
Donald Trump Creepily Jokes About Lusting After His Daughter… Again
Donald Trump’s unsettling record of comments about his daughter Ivanka
To be fair, Putin probably wants to fuck her too.
“To be fair, Putin probably wants to fuck her too.”
…Who wouldn’t?
Putin’s approval rating this year is 89%. He seems to be doing a good job for his people. He has been one of the saner voices on the world stage, especially in the Mid East. Show me a DC politician with an 89% approval rating. The Russian economy is in much better shape than our own with no debt and they haven’t driven their manufacturing base to other countries. We could use a leader of his caliber.
Something I wholeheartedly agree with JHK about. The one and only thing I liked about trump in the beginning was his willingness to be friends with Russia.
Hillary and the two Susans were hell bent to make Russia our enemy, thereby a useful ploy for continuing to sacrifice this country’s infrastructure on the ever deepening and widening rat hole of armaments spending.
It’s no wonder they preferred Trump and were willing to spend a few thousands dollars on facebook along with the Koch brothers who probably outdid them by 100X or more to prevent the war loving hag from being elected.
Mr. Kunstler,
I agree…he is a Nationalist with a capital “N”. It is not important that we disagree with his programs or his methods…it is only important what the majority of Russians agree or disagree with them.
He is every bit an honorable recipient of respect…considering our current politicians. I have never felt enmity towards him.
Nationalist? Well, yes and no. He wants to spread Russia into Eastern Europe again, so he really believes in Empire. Says the fall of the Soviet Union was one of the greatest tragedies in human history. But what of his fellow Nationalists, the White Russians who want Russia to remain Russian? He hates them. So on balance I’d day he isn’t. Nations are like balloons: If they spread too far they pop.
The damnable question of our Time: How can be for a Nation if you aren’t for the People who founded that Nation?
Hitler elected too. Need I say more?
…except adding the missing “was”…
Yes please do say more. Do you support Democracy or not? If you do then that means you must accept the result of elections. Perhaps it’s true that Democracy was never your thing anyhoo.
As K-Dog explains for you below, you Nice-But-Dim girl.
After which he showed to the world that he had no intentions of being un-elected.
“As I see it today, Hitler and Goebbels were in fact molded by the mob itself, guided by its yearnings and its daydreams. Of course, Goebbels and Hitler knew how to penetrate through to the instincts of their audiences; but in the deeper sense they derived their whole existence from these audiences. Certainly the masses roared to the beat set by Hitler’s and Goebbels’ baton; yet they were not the true conductors. The mob determined the theme. To compensate for misery, insecurity, unemployment, and hopelessness, this anonymous assemblage wallowed for hours at a time in obsessions, savagery and license. The personal unhappiness caused by the breakdown of the economy was replaced by a frenzy that demanded victims. By lashing out at their opponents and vilifying the Jews, they gave expression and direction to fierce primal passions.”
? Albert Speer, Inside the Third Reich
There are no monuments in Seattle dedicated to Speer or Goering.
But there is one for Lenin.
See the diff?
We have gathered for Thanksgiving dinner and crazy uncle Donald is holding forth on his accomplishments and his greatness. No one shoots him down because . . . well, you know, he does have a few things to brag about, certainly more than others at the table. Uncle Ben brought the rice, Aunt Nancy has brought her dish of schemes and hearsay that everyone eyes odiously. But her nasties always stirs up the crowd, pitting one against the other. She’s sure to throw out enough shade to pitch the whole place in darkness.
At the kiddies table the talk is about reparation, free shit and pussy hats. They make so much noise their table should be in the pantry, or maybe out in the yard.
The snows haven’t come yet so no visible tracks and no hunting on this day. The men are not happy about it, especially cousin Shifty and his gang of extended relations who are wont to show up for their free meal and attention. Hillary and Bubba decided against coming, having financial setbacks lately so it’s do it yourself for them. The Biden’s already have a full plate, thank you! Mikey Horowitz couldn’t come either but he’s sending his report later. And lastly our first lady, who is so lovely and elegant, always sets a fine table, and is able to charm the most obstreperous of our out of whack family.
Happy Thanksgiving folks!
I think Shifty Schiff burned the Turkey. He really wanted to do a good job but wow, I think it’s gonna be a disaster. Let’s hope his goose is in the fryer by December!
so early on, like three years ago, our best intelligence agencies concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 election. Those who have been in denial continue to be in denial. They formed their opinion as fact and then built a fort around it.
They quickly galvanized themselves into some belief in a cabal that included the deep state, the media, the fake news, Federal agencies, etc whatever inventions that were fed to them.
Does any body remember that the true roots of the Steele dossier. It was originally started by the GOP to discredit Trump. But as he gained momentum, they faced the fact that he was winning so they must embrace him as a candidate, so they dropped it and the DNC picked up on it
there could actually be a shred of truth that Russia hacked the election.
If Joe Biden and his ilk are also guilty of some wrongdoings in Ukraine, then they should also be prosecuted. But I think the Justice Department and not the government of Ukraine would be the right people to undertake such a prosecution. Wonder why AG Barr is not pursuing this if it is true. The job should have never been left to Guiliani and his mob.
and know this, also. Any wrongdoing by Biden or Hilary in the Ukraine does not exonerate Trump or any of his associates.
Here we go!
Russian interference with the election.
Until someone shows me one vote that was changed in a voting machine from one candidate to the other, the whole interference is bunk.
The Russians used the social media to influence the electorate?
BFD. Who doesn’t use the internet to influence people to vote their way.
This blog is a powerful influence to influence voters.
On Facebook, I personally saw many more attacks on Trump than Hillary, so where was the Pro Trump influence?
I have asked many times, what was the form of all this supposed Russian influence? Never gotten an answer from any direction.
Hacked the DNC to expose Hillary’s corruption against Bernie. The Russians OR Seth Rich? We will never know. Assange knows!
Do we have the right in a truly free election to block influence from any source? Does Russia, or NOKO or China have the right to influence US voters? Where is the line drawn? US sources only? How about Exxon-Mobil or Google, do they have the right to influence US voters when they legitimately represent foreign, international groups.
The whole Russiagate thing is based on a I hate Trump BS effort and has no real basis in law. That is why the proponents keep failing and will continue to fail.
All you Liberals had better start plans together to improve things in this country instead of spending 100% of your time attacking one person. You know why? Because the voters are not buying the BS any more. You want to beat Trump, beat him with issues and good ideas. Your current techniques are failing. BTW, free everything is not a good idea.
john AZ dont hold you breath.
I dont know what Facebook you were hooked up to. I suppose you only tuned into the anti Hilary stuff. But you are one of those iron heads who already know everything and want everybody to think like you do.
Also you have made some very liberal comments and I cant detect a conservative bone in your body. To be hopelessly pro trump is not a conservative position.
If you think you have insulted me, forget it.
I have the same position on some issues as the liberals, and definitely the same as conservatives on others.
My axe to grind is with the pro-government control Deep State that is trying to maintain their power base by axing the Constitution at every turn they can.
As Trump was elected by a constituency that no longer wanted the DS forces to destroy the economy and their jobs, yes I favor him over the alternatives. Until the Dems come up with someone better with better ideas, I will continue to support Trump.
“I have the same position on some issues as the liberals, and definitely the same as conservatives on others. ”
Excellent comment.
I have been registered as Independent since I first registered to vote 50 years ago, and have hewn to picking from both sides of the aisle ever since.
Iron head, huh?
Look at your own posts and dig the iron beam out of your own eye.
Fineline
Very well put. Particularly the ‘Where’s AG Barr’s investigation” into the steaming heap of corruption of the Bidens?
*Crickets*
What crime has Trump committed? Back your claim with hard evidence.
Thanks.
*yawn* Get a new schtick, Nightowl, ffs!
What is the crime?
This particular conversation was about the Biden’s ‘crimes’ being investigated by AG Barr.]
Perhaps YOU could name those crimes and provide the evidence.
I didn’t make a claim, though I am following the investigation quite closely.
So again, what is the crime?
Despots, totalitarianism, dictatorships, interesting discussion on Putin
One man rule at any time is the result of one persons power drive being successful and convincing the constituency that he has the answers that are needed. Once in place, he locks himself in, many times ruthlessly. His power drive and revolutionary zeal remains unabated, and he starts trying to export his drives or tries to conquer outside his domain. He spends much time trying to beat back opposing viewpoints, which always exist.
Supposedly the best governance comes from a benign dictator, one whose aims are always for the good of the people. Gladiator movie showed Marcus Aurelius as a benign dictator who wanted to revert the empire back to a republic. Unfortunately, benign dictators do not pass their benevolence well to succeeding rulers. Comedus was a total jerk and destroyed his father’s dream. Benign dictators are rare.
That is the problem, how to continue the goodness of a dictator through succeeding generations. History shows it does not happen. Power is a devil that destroys every time.
So the US Constitution controls the tendency of having bad dictators from generation to generation by selecting leaders by the people. That is the real threat of the impeachment situation, negation of the voters. Do we want a small cadre of power hungry idiots in DC to decide who is going to be President. We can start calling them the Politburo now and their tool, the intelligence community the KGB. Or maybe the SS and the Gestapo, respectively.
Control of The Leader’s power drive is the key and what the Founding Fathers spent much time and effort trying to create a state that controlled the power at the top.
Another disadvantage of a despot is that the idea base of the society never gets better than one person. Despots usually get taken down by their own limitation or stupidity. Here in the US, we have 435 House members and 100 Senators minds to create the social order of our country, not just one. It is their job to create laws, to come up with new ideas, not just one guy in the WH. It seems that 535 people we have sent to DC to represent us have forgotten this basic tenet.
The uniparty movement is a deadly spear aimed at these basic constructs of our national government.
Is Putin a benevolent dictator? Is his drive to improve the lot of the people? Is he responsible to the people, I believe he was voted in more than once. Is there legislative control over his position, I do not know the answer to that?
Is he a President like here, elected by the people and independent of the legislature. Or is he a prime minister, getting his power from the legislature, through legislative elections. I do not know.
Judging Putin evil by being tough with opponents is hypocritical in this country.
And how about Xi, or Un. Do we live in a glass house?
Fraudulent elections, death to political opposition and journalists. See above.
Tough with opponents? Puhleeze again. It’s much worse than tough.
Maybe the wish is emerging here that Trump murder his opponents.
A lot of unclear thinking here today. Jeez.
No, it is you that is thinking unclearly.
Stop projecting your innermost convictions on others.
That would be a good start.
How am I thinking unclearly by pointing out how things have been under Putin? Many political opponents and journalists have been killed under his leadership.
Use your head. Just because you’re a Nationalist and you bring order to your country doesn’t preclude you from being a despot.
Two examples may help you figure it out. Hitler. Saddam Hussein.
Sounds like your Tucson spur has run off the tracks out in the desert.
I love offroading in the Desert.
Your argument is flawed. Impeachment is the constitution working as intended. It is not negating the results of an election. It is negating the outcome of an election turned rotten as in theory the majority of a democracy would wish.
Aristotle studied the history of Greece identifying 50 versions of government that occurred in Greece up to his time. He concluded that basically there are three types of government. When it worked well Monarchy was best and Democracy third best. When they went bad the order inverted.
Our once fine country seems to be devolving into all three of the bad forms at the same time.
Aristotle’s 3 classifications of government
Monarchy (rule by one), (President)
Aristocracy (power of the best people/rich, Senate)
Democracy (people power/mob rule, House of Representative)
He said that Monarchy tended to degrade to Tyranny (Shithead Trump)
Aristocracy to Oligarchy (rule of the few) (Exon, Amazon, Facebook, et al + fuckface McConnell)
Democracy to Ochlocracy (mob power). (MAGA lunkheads)
Recognize from your own analysis that the FF included all three types of government in our government and placed a balance of power between them. The Articles of Confederation failed because an legislative answer creates government by committee, which does not work. Included in the plan was the supremacy of the voters, which is why impeachment by the Deep State for no reason other than political opinion is a really dangerous thing. Yes, it disenfranchises the public. Every bogus charge the Dems come up with is going to drive more voters away, it IS happening now.
The Left side of our country need to develop ideas that improve the lot our country, not its destruction. The answers to our problems is not to buy power by spending money that does not exist.
All three major US markets at record highs.
Meanwhile in the real world:
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/01/ism-manufacturing-index-october-2019.html
Based on personal experience I can attest that there is such a thing as being too high.
The crash will be epic.
But not just yet.
More craziness to come.
From Townhall:
“Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was admitted to Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, Maryland, last night after experiencing chills and fever earlier in the day. She was initially evaluated at Sibley Memorial Hospital in Washington, D.C. before being transferred to Johns Hopkins Hospital for further evaluation and treatment of any possible infection,” Supreme Court spokeswoman Kathleen Arberg said in a statement. “With intravenous antibiotics and fluids, her symptoms have abated and she expects to be released from the hospital as early as Sunday morning.”
Earlier November, a stomach bug forced the 86-year-old to miss arguments. She returned for a public meeting on November 18th.
Justice Gindsburg appears to be winding down rapidly. What impact would her demise have on the 2020 presidential election? No doubt it would tremendously motivate both sides to get their guy or gal in office…
You better believe it! Remember Kavanaugh? I wonder if any Federal Judge in their right mind would accept nomination.
only judges in their “right” mind are being nominated
My greatest hope in life is that President Trump will soon have the opportunity to replace Ruth Buzzy Ginsburg, and that after great consideration he chooses Ann Coulter as our next Supreme Court Justice.
We could then say, ‘Hello America’!
She’d look great in robes with the cascading hair in contrast.
She can wave ‘HI!” to FFvCS as she leaves and he enters (again)
Yeah notorious RGB ready to check out soon.
Trump has a pick all ready to go, a woman this time. Nobody will be able to dredge up rape charges from 1977.
Brh
Gee – you must have a drunk uncle in the Heritage Foundatin! Who is it? Please!!! Tell all!!!
Watching RBG praise Kavanaugh was one of my favorite moments in the media clown show.
Galaxy-level boomerang.
I think it’s been “weekend at Ruth’s” for awhile.
So what is noticed is that those who are testifying on Capitol Hill under oath are saying that Trump and/or his associates are guilty of ,something, whereas the ones who are refusing to testify under oath are acting likeTrump and/or his associates are not guilty of anything and whatever they do is okay and business as usual.
So one must wonder why trump and his associates are not cooperating.
I don’t understand that either, fineline. It’s also odd that Trump orders them not to testify, and then if they do, he says it didn’t mean anything anyway. Sometimes I can’t help but wonder what goes on under that handsome hairpiece.
Capt:
‘Sometimes I can’t help but wonder what goes on under that handsome hairpiece.’
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C3GIPqDJ7Yo
Good observation.
Plausible deniability, the key buzzword in DC.
These witnesses are espousing their opinions. The only opinions voiced were anti-Trump thanks to a Democratic House. There were no Pro-administration witnesses. Almost everyone is a career diplomat or career military that has a differing opinion to the President. What happens when you have a differing opinion to your boss? You put on your best salesmanship and try to convince him of your belief. If he or she disagrees, you follow your orders or quit. Period.
What is being practiced is sedition. Who sets up what happens, not the malcontents in the Deep State, but the voters in this republic.
“Plausible deniability, the key buzzword in DC.”
PD has been a hoax, and a well-known one at that,
for many, many years.
Even junior intern lawyers know well how to predicate on that one.
Over and out.
“There are no Pro-administration witnesses.”
Try to FIND a ‘pro-administration witness’ that wouldn’t have to purger him/herself in defending FFvCS.
There are those who would be pro Trump and who were invited to testify, like Mulvaney, Bolton, Mc Gahn., Jared and Trump himself are welcome to come in and testify. Where are they?
There is a long list.
But they have chosen to tie it up in the courts and kill the clock, with abusive and sell serving terms such as “absolute presidential immunity”
We the people elected this congress to do the job the American people want them to do, what the Paul Ryan congress would not.
When they defy the Congress, they are defying the American people.
The pro impeachment polls dropped 7% this month. The Dems are losing the PR battle. The reasons are debatable.
Executive privilege, a term I have never agreed with, whether Dem Or GOP. A way to keep things quiet that are embarrassing to the executive branch. But it holds legal credibility.
Bolton is waiting on a judge to tell him whether to testify.
The people are polling now that they do not want impeachment and his approval rating is rising.
Time for the Democratic House to start acting like lawgivers and figure out how to fix our problems, and not count on a bunch of hairbrained 2020 candidates for the Democratic platform.
I see Nancy is dusting off the USMCA again.
Any kind of momentum impeachment had is gone, JAZ. The whole sorry initiative is DIW.
Be kind enough to point us to the witnesses who claim a crime was committed and who can provide concrete evidence.
I eagerly await your response.
Fineline – as Judge Jackson in the suit about McGahn’s subpoena has just ruled – in agreement with you (you clever-dick, you!)
You mean the Congress with an approval rating under 20%?
Yea that Congress better to kick them all out of power and start over.
Maybe they don’t suffer fools?
I would like to think that the truth will come out and those responsible will be held accountable, but at this point it seems like even if everyone involved in the coup (media included, of course) were to suddenly start telling the truth, the roughly half of the country currently suffering from late stage TDS would just say that Trump and the Russians got to them somehow.
Yup! Everything is based on someone’s opinion, conjecture. One side’s truth is the other side’s lie.
What is going on is a real test on whether our democratically based republic can work in times of political stress. Time will tell.
Everything is based on someone’s opinion, conjecture. One side’s truth is the other side’s lie.
You must like a salad bar with lots of choices. A bar with lots of good corn-pone.
“You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I’ll tell you what his ‘pinions is.”
Which is a quote from a teacher of Twain and not Twain himself.
Gold or silver? All depends if someone’s willing to trade for it.
It’s worked for at least 6000 years now.
Don’t see why it can’t for another 6000 years.
Depends on the transaction. For large transactions in general, yes. For specific transactions on the new frontiers we’ll find ourselves on, maybe not.
Yes, large transactions for property/acreage/land.
That’s for gold.
For day-to-day transactions
I’m thinking silver coins.
My favorites are Franklin halves, minted 1948-1963, every one of them 90% silver. Can’t really be counterfeited since as circulated coinage, each is worn and tarnished differently. Some places sell them at spot plus 99 cents per troy ounce (a very low premium).
We (obviously) may not all agree on certain things here but we all want some peace and comfort in life so this coming Thanksgiving Day, I sincerely wish all of you the best.
And special thanks to James Howard Kunstler for keeping this going and being real and honest. Thank you, Jim. One could not ask for more.
Cheers,
Axisboldaslove
Seems like everybody is chilling out a bit now.
That is good.
I like to see a coming down of the adverse over the last little while.
Good.
Cheers!
What is called reality is but a shared belief. Change the belief and you change reality. Focus on ideals and you bring about an ideal world. Focus on ‘reality’ and the world remains unchanged.
Another nebulous concoction. What if there are X number of people with different beliefs? There is a reality beyond each of them. Now change their beliefs. The reality that was beyond them remains. Perception may differ, but perception is Not reality.
“What is called” reality is not Reality. There is a Reality behind and above our beliefs, and when we discover that Reality joy and fearlessness will be our permanent state. Being finite beings we must formulate beliefs about Infinite Reality, but these beliefs are but constructs or scaffolding to be discarded when new and more comprehensive insights are acquired. Within the Western frame of reference certain beliefs are held by all, such as the underlying assumption that life is composed of ‘parts’ that relate to each other in a mechanically deterministic way. Another Western belief is that we can change the world through politics when in reality to change the world we must first change (enlighten) ourselves.
Whatever you see, you don’t see. There it isn’t. If someone asks you the time, you can’t give it to them because it keeps changing. As do you. As do they.
When the Serpent is still, the Universe is not. When it is coiling, it Is. In any case, it is motion and our reporting is always trying to catch up with the movement. Some principles seem to remain
fairly constant though. God in His Mercy lets us rely on causality and physical laws, at least at ordinary levels of perception and action.
The Ocean doesn’t need the waves – the waves depend upon the Ocean. As do we. We need to learn to surf is all. And to charm the Serpent.
Do you snow surf or ski? A bit of cross country might help with that old shoulder injury of yours from when the Urantia Book fall on you from the top shelf. Why did the Serpent do that? I don’t know.
Most, if not all people have no idea what true reality is. Take LSD to get just a glimpse of what I’m talking about.
Oh yeah. I did quite a bit back in the day…it broke the mold for me and I haven’t looked back since.
More insight into your bizarre belief system.
Are you a product of severe abuse and MK ULtra?
Soooomewheeere ovvvver the raiiinboooow!
Good intuition Bentover. MK ultra failed thanks to me (and others). All it resulted in were people with super boosted perspicacity which naturally made them enemies of the CIA.
The effects have lasted to the extent it has made it easy to recognize you as a first order wanker with allow self image.
So you affirm both the severe abuse and the rampant drug use.
Believe it or not I am not judging you at this point only feeling sorry for the broken human you present yourself as.
Seek help you are far more angry than people realize.
I suggest a good hobby involving exercise like swimming or hiking.
bentover
Facetiousness sails so far over your head it almost feels cruel to taunt you.
You just make up little stories in your head and blather them out. Then everyone has to roll their eyes at the embarrassment they know you should be feeling (but obviously do not).
OK
CCL what ever you say.
There are more things … likely to frighten us than there are to crush us; we suffer more often in imagination than in reality. – Seneca
Considering the world Seneca lived in it should be far easier for us to observe this maxim than it was for him. That he did is a credit to him for to us reality is a delicate nymph dancing in a gentle breeze. In times past reality has been a bitch howling in a raging torrent.
In his observation Seneca makes clear the distinction about reality not being the same as imagination. That is a credit to him for in the ancient world the distinction was not clear. There was widespread belief that fate or overarching guiding forms provided providence and direction over matter and the actions which transmuted matter from one form to another. In the ancient world there was a belief that games of chance could actually make wise and correct decisions. Reality and the realm of the mind were run together in a nonsensical mess. Contemporary culture confuses the distinction between reality and the universe of the mind. This is not unlike regressing to an ancient past and embracing all the superstitions and nonsense we left behind.
Because its all a Circle. Eventually everything cycles and recycles and rhymes and rings with nothing new under the Sun. The path from point A to point B isn’t a line but an arc and chances are that we’ve been down that road before.
Thinking like that is floating down de-Nile river.
I joke but seriously, such nonsense was useful to an agrarian culture when lives were ruled by the cycles of nature. Such nonsense is not appropriate for us.
In ancient Egypt the goddess Maat ruled the cycles of nature and her priests had a pretty good deal. Keep the cycles going and claim you were responsible, instead of the earths orbit doing the work, which nobody knew anything about at the time. I’m sure some of the myths we tell ourselves about our leaders are just as ridiculous and they too get paid for doing nothing.
But back to the cycles or rather the lack of them in our world. Our civilization is not Egyptian, we don’t travel in cycles. Instead we are bifurcating to oblivion. Consider chaos theory. A small change of initial conditions result in huge differences later on and we live in a world of chaos.
Actions have consequences but winding up reality in layers of imagined cycles obscures moral responsibility of action. This makes thinking in cycles attractive in an evil way. If things simply repeat we can’t be responsible for what we do. But that’s not the way it is and truth is, the stain of evil is eternal. Belief in cycles makes you feel good but the butterfly effect is reality. Some things can’t be undone. Ore can only be extracted from the ground once, and our civilization used it all.
Turn off your mind, relax and float down stream
It is not dying, it is not dying
Lay down all thoughts, surrender to the void
It is shining, it is shining
Yet you may see the meaning of within
It is being, it is being
Love is all and love is everyone
It is knowing, it is knowing…
… that ignorance and hates may mourn the dead
It is believing, it is believing
But listen to the colour of your dreams
It is not living, it is not living
So play the game “Existence” to the end…
… Of the beginning, of the beginning
John Lennon
Rather than speaking of repetitive cycles we should think of the reality of human life on earth more as a single, unfolding, ascending cycle. Behind the apparent confusion and chaos of our modern age there is a Divine Providence slowly yet inexorably trending us towards an optimal (ideal) world.
Life, when approached in terms of its ‘wholeness’, is miraculous, magical, and mysterious, but when that wholeness is lost it becomes mechanistic, deterministic, and trends towards the lowest common denominator…
Single, unfolding, ascending SPIRAL…
“Ore can only be extracted from the ground once, and our civilization used it all.”
Absolutely.
There’s a place for mystical musings but not when you think about the kind of world we’re leaving to those who follow us.
You can’t have mystical musings when the river’s just burst its banks with that 100-year flood that’s happening every five years now, and it’s soaked and rotted everything you worked for. And the insurance companies have gone bust with paying for it all.
Oh, shit. Gone means gone. Not very mystical. Not very cyclical. And those nuclear power stations will flood too. Oops. Not mystical at all. Although it has its radiant side.
It gets on my nerves when economists talk about cycles as if the tiny cycles they think about are all that matters. The cycles that matter to us now are millennia long and the oil isn’t going to replenish itself. It’s fine to muse that there might be something like dinosaurs again in a few hundreds of millions of years.
But it’s not going to help our children and grandchildren.
Millennia long for the climate, that is. Millions of years long for the oil.
Well apparently ancient cities in India were destroyed in a nuclear exchange in the distant past and eventually the environment recovered. Also, oil has been utilized for thousands of years. Didn’t that allegedly start with the use of pitch?
SSL;
‘ Well apparently ancient cities in India were destroyed in a nuclear exchange in the distant past and eventually the environment recovered.’
Apparently, and more logically, NOT:
https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4541
This what I mean about you being prepared to believe ANY OLD THING out there. It’s just sad.
The first oil was apparently discovered by the Chinese in 600 B.C. and transported in bamboo pipes. But I don’t think that’s going to be a goer in future somehow.
The cyclical point isn’t about how long oil has been used, but about when it was formed.
“Well apparently ancient cities in India were destroyed in a nuclear exchange in the distant past ”
Of course. 🙂
“And the seasons they go round and round
And the painted ponies go up and down
We’re captive on the carousel of time
We can’t return we can only look behind
From where we came
And go round and round and round
In the circle game.”
The Universe is filled with Cycles.
Even Chaos has Cycles.
I have a Bicycle.
“Even Chaos has Cycles.”
My washing machine has lots of them (although I mostly only use two of them). And I never use it above 1000 rpm, even though it can do 1600. Making things last longer is a way of life, and the wind and sunshine in the garden are free and recycle themselves.
I have that Joni CD too, though. 🙂 I think it has Morning, Morgantown on it. The simple joys of life…
I agree with you about Putin too. I’m tired of being expected to take simple sides on complex issues. Hillary being bad doesn’t make Putin good. And the warmongers wanting things to be bad between the US and Russia or the UK and Russia doesn’t make Putin good either.
Sorry to drop a Godwin but the people loved Hitler too. Cometh the hour, cometh the man, they said too. The ones his goons weren’t beating to a pulp up a back alley anyway.
“I have that Joni CD too, though. ”
I had it on vinyl first time around. And now it’s copied to my iPod too.
The wonders of capitalism… 🙂
In the future, maybe I’ll just be able to sing bits of it from memory.
“My grandfather travelled by camel.
My father travelled by car.
I travel by jet plane.
My son will travel by car.
My grandson will travel by camel.
Saudi proverb. I think Matt Simmons used to quote it.
Matt probably remembered to close his quotation marks, which I so often don’t, along with brackets…
What a humorous ending to that profound poem :-). I like it!
It’s not a poem, it’s the chorus of a Joni Mitchell song.
Ah, the simple joys of life.
Old joke: A blonde jumps into the river. A guy runs up and asks, ‘what are you doing’? ‘Washing my clothes’, she answers. He asks, ‘why not use a washing machine’? She replies, ‘because it makes me dizzy!’
I’m wondering how many unused cycles there are in our machines, and if only the unused potential could be harnessed and put to good use.
What is it? Pre Thanksgiving distractions, too much imbibing, too much of our sordid politics making these posters turn Putin into Pope? Fools.
Another Old Joke (think cockney accent and the profanities are actually genuine):
Sheila asks her brother “‘Ere! ‘Ow much dya drink, Rodney?”
Rodney replies “Well…fuck me…I dunno…, maybe ten pints on a Frid’ee, another ten on a Sat’dee, maybe five on a fuckin’ Sund’ee and prolly another ten over the rest of the bleedin’ week…like that, innit.”
She further inquires “And ‘ow long ‘ave you been drinkin’ for, Rodney?”
Our man replies ‘Oh, blimey! Maybe thirty-five to forty fuckin’ years! Here – why you askin’, Sheels?”
Sheila informs him “Well, Rodney, if you ‘ad’ve saved all that money over them thirty-five to forty years, in a really safe high-interest savings account, you’d have enough by now for an aeroplane!”
Rodney is flabberghasted: “Really, Sheels??? That much? Just puttin’ in a bank account? Well I never! Imagine that! So, Sheila…tell me, luv – what do YOU drink?”
Sheila responds “Oh, no, Rodney…I don’t drink!”
To which Rodney replies “Oh really? So where’s YOUR fuckin’ aeroplane then?”
If you say there is “nothing new under the sun” you discount human creativity SSL, for the essence of creativity is bringing something new (innovation) into existence. When Marcus Aurelius recorded this observation in his journal no one could have imagined our modern era; computers, cars, supersonic jets…
Ah, but are all of our “modern” inventions really new? You know in ancient Indian artwork there are depictions of flying vehicles. There are other instances of advanced technologies depicted in very ancient artwork. I am not able to immediately recall all of the examples but I know others here know what I am talking about. How do we know there wasn’t a highly advanced civilization prior to the Flood? How do we know that such a civilization isn’t buried a mile or two beneath the Antarctic ice or under the waves of the Atlantic?
“You know in ancient Indian artwork there are depictions of flying vehicles. ”
There are artworks of Hell as well, SSL. And yet no artist has been there. Weird, isn’t it. Almost as if an artwork could be a work of the imagination.
Here is a “highly scholarly” article in your support, SSL:
https://medium.com/@sathishramyen/a-five-thousand-year-old-ancient-indian-vimana-found-in-afghanistan-cave-eight-american-soldiers-453253fa002b
Very interesting thank you! See, much of what I post is not far fetched or drivel. I take this post as an admission of that. We have an unspoken understanding now.
Add the different levels (Hierarchy) and what do you have? A Spiral. We visit the same things again and again, but hopefully at a higher level where we can see them differently. The old lover or movie is new again. Thus does the Sun Wheel spin. We are the Swastika.
This kind of frisbee is better than dwarf tossing. Cuz we are the dwarf too, at our worst – as in the dwarf soul.
Carlos Castaneda in the guise of Don Juan called them ‘agreements’.
This is a great blog and comment thread to read. The collective knowledge on display here is much greater than the vast majority of public media sources that I’m familiar with. I daresay we are all lucky to have the opportunity to read these weekly posts.
Have a great Thanksgiving everyone.
Dilly, Dilly! Happy Thanksgiving to you!
A fraction of what you get
is payback
for what you give.
Happy Thanksgiving to you to!
Tucker had a serious discussion tonight about Michelle Obama running in 2020. It seems that there is much agreement that she more than anyone can unite the divided Dems. Balack has a book scheduled to come out during the Primaries, and Michelle will also be on book tour. Axelrod is against Biden. Balack doesn’t want him.
Balack wants revenge for Trump’s dismantling.
Michelle, who many think is the most popular woman in the world, has the machine. Bloomberg is white, and billionaire blight. Booty Gig would appear to be more of a twink than he already does. Warren might do a little war dance, but then just grab her wampum and run. She could make peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for the kiddies.
I hope Michelle doesn’t run. Knowing the state of the nation, she’d have a real good chance at winning.
Be the most famous and powerful TWAT (Trump Weary and Tired) in the world.
Certainly she has the machine. She is the machine if you really think about it. She is everything, and I mean everything that the Globalists Progressives want in a figurehead or puppet role. She is Black and she is a Woman so hearing her roar is obligatory and sacred in the PC Crow laws. If she does run and she does win the Globalists will surely seal the deal. First stop, banish the Electoral College so small town and rural America is never heard from again. Step two, pack the courts small and Supreme with activist, anti-Constitution judges. Third, nullify the border, disband ICE, amnesty all illegals and sign up for another 100 million are so Brown and Black Third World-only refugees. And last but never least, implement draconian gun and ammunition control. Remember, Michelle very honestly said she never loved or liked America until Balack was elected. She still has a major axe to grind and would probably love oppressing millions of American Whites that she blames for all problems in the known universe including the rejection of Balack’s legacy.
Insane blithering. M O will not run. Your earful fantasy is a waking nightmare of your own delusional echo chamber narrative. That goes for the rest of your tribe as well.
Now, McGahn will tell his story. Next Nunes will be in the hot seat. Ghouliani will be in front of a judge shortly. His Ukrainian mob- accomplice is spilling ALL the beans to save his entitled fat arse. I Bolton’s information is not far away.
Then, as if its not already a total disaster, Trump spends 53 minutes making Steve Dooley squirm uncomfortably listening to objectively crazy antings, choke will lies and conspiracy theories. I felt sorry for the Three Foxy Friends- their whole show torpedoed by a random call from the Golden Shitter. There’s no “off button”! They’re forced to hold it together, looking into a camera…my god! Give these three a “Clusterfuck Bonus” when he calls in! $100,000 ‘keeping a straight face’ money.
Or Doocey – however the Ellis Island immigration official misspelled it…
Thank you for reading my blithering insanity and becoming educated and elevated thereof! I will continue to speak in tongues ;-).
Majella
Insane blithering indeed. Melania is more likely to run than Michelle.
My belief is Michelle experienced great relief she and her family escaped the Whitehouse alive. Obama was given very little room to breath as President. Had he tried to do the things he was excoriated for not doing (going after the culprits responsible for the massive fraud by banks etc) he’d have been pushing up daisies.
Hillary and her two witches made it clear to him that opposing them in Libya, which he didn’t want to overthrow, would have been suicide. Everyone who likes to point out the evolution of drone warfare during his watch fail to note what resisting the CIA and MIC did for JFK.
The torrent of hate and vitriol that flooded the life of the Obamas was horrific. It would be madness on her part to think that Trumpified America would be a less horrible experience the second time around.
Do you think that Obama was Hillary’s second politician to front her inability to win herself, Bill being first.
So Majella.
It sounds like you’re saying Obama was afraid of Hillary and her deep state goons, so he had to behave like an obedient little mouse to get out of there alive.
That doesn’t speak too highly of Obama. If one is a coward, stay away from the office. You should be glad we have a bold and courageous man in the White House now!
Hmuller:
“So Majella.
It sounds like you’re saying Obama was afraid of Hillary and her deep state goons, so he had to behave like an obedient little mouse to get out of there alive.”
I have no control over what you think I ‘sound like (I’m) saying’. I have no idea how you got THAT from what I posted…but that’s a pretty usual tactic among the RWNJ community: misinterpret deliberately to set up a straw man argument, then dismantle it. You’re wasting pixels.
hmuller – I see now… I think you attributed something Evelyn stated to me.
Yes Majella, I attributed her remarks to you when I saw your name written in the posting. So sorry. I should read more carefully.
You said it Sister, and said it well. She can have a powerful presence too. Princeton and Harvard Law School grad. Almost six feet tall.
Former First Lady who can be almost as intimidating as a black thug. Maybe more.
It’s scary, because the more I think about it the more I believe it’s possible. After four years of foul and frenzied politics, the nation could again be ready for some really voracious virtue signaling.
The media will have another ‘slobbering love affair’.
And sidelined Hillary will finally put the hit on Trump. She’ll serve it frozen, not cold. Well, just a thought.
And by all accounts hung like a mule yes Michael knows how to give it to BO real good.
And once more the court jester wags his dick. Benr, you are a truly disgusting human.
Yes Penis envy is coming in loud and clear from crazy drug addled cat lady central
Why not go back to dropping blotter or back then did your pimp spring for the good stuff liquid on a sugar cube?
How much Horse did you pump into your veins in the 70’s?
Wow. It just gets more comical post after post, benr.
I sorely wonder how JHK allows you to keep embarrassing yourself so thoroughly & so regularly..unless it’s for his own S&Gs.
@majella
Actually you are correct I should not lower myself to your witch coven buddies evilyn level of nastiness and bile.
..and then, in almost apologising and expressing faux regret, you just double down with misogenistic spite.
You won’t remember this, given the depth of your thought process, but a while back when I first started posting occasionally, you made a response that I, mistakenly as it turned out, took for a genuine question…that you wanted to understand how perspectives that differed from yours came to pass.
You then took my genuine response and gave it your usual double-down crap-all-over-it answer. You really are pathetic, overall.
@majella
So let me get this straight you can post nasty comments and your little pal can also post anything nasty she feels like but when someone else dips a toe into that sewer you are up in arms?
So what is it a progressive thing, a female thing, or witch type thing seriously curious here.
No, benr – please – feel free to post whatever you like!
Just don’t get snotty if you get as good as you give.
What, are you some sort of ‘snowflake’???
She thought “Hamilton” was the most brilliant thing she had ever seen. She’s a stone cold dummy. And her academic record has been sealed, such was the idiocy of her papers. But what little that is available show the workings of feeble and febrile mind.
Of course Maj thinks she’s great!
She was also disbarred from the State of Illinois I believe. That’s also been hushed up.
I do not recall making any statement of opinion on Michelle Obama. You’re just making shit up -again- you sad, little, basement-dwelling pseudo intellectual weasel.
No doubt you’ve bought into the crap expressed by a number of RWNJs hereabouts that Michelle is a crossing bloke with a Mandingo- quality male genital appendage, hat Brack is homosexual and the two girls are ‘paid actors’.
Is there NO actual critical thinking among these twats?
“Cross-dressing bloke”…
“She is everything, and I mean everything that the Globalists Progressives want in a figurehead or puppet role. ”
Completely. She appears to be a very ‘nice’, attractive person. She also appears to be intelligent, well educated.
I think she would go along 110% with whatever the 23 security agencies would tell her to do. The same with the tech & retail monopolists as well like Google & Walmart. This would mean becoming friends again with the fascist Chinese & of course making Russia the “evil empire” again.
I agree. Michelle may actually start the long awaited war with Russia. I am sure there would be some renewal of the “nation building” in the Middle East. I wonder if she would enjoy droning up wedding parties the way her husband did?
Gee-are you actually jonesing for that war with Russia, SSL?
No, I want us to be friends with the Russians.
Tucker Carlson last night brought up the NYT & other MSM attempts to already start to downplay or discredit the coming IG report in December.
This type of behavior confirms how strong CIA infiltration & a the mockingbird effect is within the media.
On the view of Putin as a ‘despot’: amusingly absurd claim coming from people in the US who live in a security state, complete with unelected secret policemen & imperial bureaucrats who have attempted a palace coup while they run a vast overseas syndicate of empire by proxy forces.
There is a magnitude much greater in the US for despotism & authoritarianism.
Agreed. We were using the term ‘despot’ rather loosely. And we were roundly chastised for it.
Most Americans view Russia as some kind of unfeeling monolithic engine of murky anti-Americanism. The opposite is true. It is a nation which operates on 10% of GDP as the US, with some strong regional separatist movements like in Siberia.
Remember that the US War Machine needs an enemy, at all times, somewhere in the world to justify itself. The ‘war vs terror’ has all but run its course. Time for a new enemy (or in this case, a rebranded one). Russia is being strongly pushed as the enemy, yet again.
It’s insane.
Some years ago, the movie industry began the process of conflating Russia with Nazi Germany. Operant Conditioning is the term I believe. Why start from zero? Why waste all the previous work with the Nazis if you can transfer it to some other enemy?
Go away, Janos.
Go away now.
Your views are utterly pathetic.
And your disgusting little body and tiny penis are perfect evidence of that.
@Cancelmycard
Your views are utterly pathetic.
And your disgusting little body and tiny penis are perfect evidence of that.-cmc
Speaking of disgusting comments you certainly have attempted to match the one I made.
How dare you!
Step back from the muck lest ye be splattered by it as well.
Oh? Just like Barr crushed the Mueller Report with a 4-page ‘summary’ and holding it back from release for a month?
Our resident fantasist lashes out in impotent rage yet again.
Putin being called a despot is not absurd. Sure we have a soft coup going on here. Doesn’t mean Putin isn’t a despot.
“There is a magnitude much greater in the US for despotism & authoritarianism.”
We’ll need about thirty or forty murders of journalists and political opponents to just get even with Putin.
When Trump or Obama or Hillary start murdering people here and setting off bombs, killing hundreds, then you’d have a case. No one here has yet found the courage to say this is what we need. We’re all talk and no action.
I don’t deny that we have a type of despotism here, as you say. But it’s far less bloody than Putin’s and still allows us much more freedom.
You lost me at ‘Carlson…’
So at the Harvard -Yale football game — 130 years of history there — about 100 students from both universities occupied the field at halftime and refused to leave, another climate change protest. The demands were the colleges must divest from oil company investment and forgive Puerto Rican debt (don’t know how that one got in) There was also noise about Israel and occupied territory, another obsession at elite universities. It took awhile for cops to get them out of the stadium, making 50 arrests for simple trespass, but also a few felony arrests. (Good luck when you have to list that felony arrest on a job application, suckers)
Local news interviewed a few of the protesters. One young coed was hysterical, not because she was arrested, but because Climate Change has stolen her future, the world was burning up, ecosystems were dying, humanity was imperiled, and life on earth was coming to an end in 12 years. She was inconsolable. That’s the way the interview ended.
‘Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds’ comes to mind when witnessing something like this. Tuition, R&B, fees … at Harvard and Yale that can add up to nearly $100,000 per year. That’s what you’re getting for $100,000 per year.
Brh
“Good luck when you have to list that felony arrest on a job application, suckers”
Yep, those social credit systems are a bugger, aren’t they, brh? Wait till China moves in. If you like what you just said, you’ll like that. Wouldn’t want to be a Hong Kong democracy protester looking for a job. Those that live that long.
Not that I think pampered upper middle-class hysteria is the way to improve anything much.
Referring to people who think the world is going to end in 12 years, not Hong Kong protesters, who have my sympathy, for all the good it will do them.
I haven’t been following them, of course, so I don’t know if they really said the world was going to end in 12 years.
Having said that, I see that figures released yesterday show CO2 emissions are still rising…
Way to go Homo Sap… Don’t say you weren’t warned.
“Way to go Homo Sap… Don’t say you weren’t warned.”
The loser is the delusion of human behavioral ‘progression’. We’re like a monkey stuck inside a paper cage who is just smart enough to engineer a lighter.
Maybe this is why the ETs haven’t landed yet 🙂 I don’t know.
thank god its fricking cold here in sunny California with the storm of the decade bearing down upon us.
We are to get up to a foot of snow in the local mountains and here I thought the prophet Al Gore said kids would not see snow by now!
Yep, PeteA. People tend not to emphasise our monkey side enough.
I refuse to lose hope till all hope is gone, though, PeteA. That’s my higher-than-monkey side.
Perhaps Greta could be persuaded to do a world trip to raise money for health care centres with contraceptive services too? 🙂
A two-pronged approach.
We are in a bit of a bind.
“Perhaps Greta could be persuaded to do a world trip to raise money for health care centres with contraceptive services too? ”
she needs to start in the central African countries. The women there are living in fast growing urban centers but still having 5-7 kids each. The population in central Africa is on projection to explode. These people all wanna live like they do in the other developed parts of the world. They want their version of mcdonalds, and wanna drive sports cars, and get high speed internet.
How will they be convinced to suddenly stop wanting the good life & live more simply? Good luck with that.
“We are to get up to a foot of snow in the local mountains and here I thought the prophet Al Gore said kids would not see snow by now!”
Al Gore isn’t a scientist. But the continued existence of snow and even the appearance of exceptionally cold winters are entirely in keeping with the predictions of climate scientists.
As is the increased frequency of serious flooding and of heatwaves in my country. Which we are seeing. Along with a few exceptionally cold winters.
Why do you want obfuscatory simplicity in climate matters when you can cope with complexity in politics?
Read something scientific, benr, rather than disinformation sites like Watts up with That (Christopher Monckton isn’t a scientist either and he’s also bonkers.)
“How will they be convinced to suddenly stop wanting the good life & live more simply? Good luck with that.”
If they could be persuaded that having two kids would give those kids a better chance than having 6 or 7, that would be a start.
We are to get up to a foot of snow in the local mountains and here I thought the prophet Al Gore said kids would not see snow by now!
Concerning Gore as an environmentalist:
What Do You Mean ‘We,’ White Man?
Such things are to be expected this time of year because the albedo of the norther ice cap is dramatically changed causing the jet stream to wobble. Next week snow will be as likely to melt as fall. The weather dice are now loaded.
Yes, when you see snow just shut your eyes, put your fingers in your ears and repeat, “hear no evil, see no evil, hear no evil, see no evil.”
“The weather dice are now loaded.”
Yep. One of the biggest problems in future will be greater unpredictability (which dimwits like to use as a bat to whack climate science).
After the great floods in Eastern England (and elsewhere in Europe, obviously) in 1953, the experience was a large factor in the planning of the Thames barrier (Venice is working on something similar). At that time you could predict, on the basis of previous data, the highest likely tidal surge it would have to deal with. It’s expected to be good for another 50 years, after which they’ll need a new one. Or a new London, one or the other.
The problem now is that we simply don’t know how great tidal surges will be in the future, other than knowing they’ll be far more devastating than they are at the present time.
“Yes, when you see snow just shut your eyes, put your fingers in your ears and repeat, “hear no evil, see no evil, hear no evil, see no evil.”
When I see snow I think it’s winter. Silly me.
You try too hard at the nonsense, SSL. Give yourself a break.
Now about that Medieval Warming period sans industry. God Made Global Warming!
The Sun is the Lord of this local System. Ask Sunny about this. It might be in the Urantia Book. Christianity did a hatchet job on Pagans in this regard. The Sun is worthy of reverence if not worship. He gives and gives and gives, asking nothing in return. The ignorant Aztecs thought or pretend to think that he needed human sacrifice. They were terrified when Cortez appeared, thinking him Quetzcoatl come again to punish them for perverting his religion of Love.
“Now about that Medieval Warming period”
The medieval warming period was not global, and the repeated citing of it in discussions of global warming is the wrong kind of recycling.
I have given you links on this topic on many occasions. You appear afraid to read them. Seems to be the La La La pathology your second in command described. Wrongly.
benr is getting a lot of reference here. Someone used the term “dimwits”.
Think of there being a large structure holding water at a steady temperature give or take a few degrees. At each end of the structure a significant proportion of the water is kept frozen.
Assume something causes the ice to begin melting quickly. In places where the water temperature was moderate it begins to become colder due to the release of ice water from the melting ice.
Some fool, let’s say benr, sticks his stinking unwashed foot in the water and brays to anyone who can stand to listen to him that the system isn’t getting warmer because his stinking foot is getting colder.
“Way to go Homo Sap… Don’t say you weren’t warned.”
Alba,
And yet, Obama bought a mansion on an East coast beach…Only yards from the surf….
I wonder what he knows that WE don’t?
Elysianfield
I responded to this before.
When you have lots and lots of money, risking one property on the coast is less of a deal than if you are Mr and Mrs Ordinary and you have a house near the coast which is where you live.
We have a friend who has a nice, but modest house on the Firth of Forth, over the water in Fife.
She’s had it for decades, but now it’s being affected by flooding. She’d like to go home to Ireland to retire and she can’t, because it’s not as easy as it was to sell houses on the coast that have a history of flooding.
Rich people can mess about for a while and I don’t know how the house is configured. It might be able to resist storm surges for a while.
My in-laws in Stony Point are having to raise their 1834 house on stilts. No insurance otherwise. You want to know what the risks are from climate change? Ask an insurance company. They have to do their homework properly because it’s about big bucks.
@ evelyn
Close your legs and that stink will go away try a shower at least once a day with soap and hot water as well.
benr – are you 11 years old?
@majella
Do you say that to the nasty crazy cat lady?
How ever nasty she/it is she/it gets a pass.
Is it a progressive stick together thing or a female thing?
She is the nastiest poster on this board day in and day out.
@ kdog
I got news for you the polar ice caps are in flux not as a result of warming or even C02 but a direct result of the magnetic pole movement and geothermal activity.
“@ evelyn
Close your legs and that stink will go away try a shower at least once a day with soap and hot water as well.”
THAT is an incredibly disgusting thing for you to say.
Beyond belief.
You obviously have some kind of sexual fetish.
Take it somewhere else.
@cmc
You should probably NOT have reposted it.
Not sure how one body part that smells is anymore or less negative than another.
Telling someone they have smelly feet is no worse or better and that was the point of the comment.
How ever with that said I never named an offensive body part you assumed so where does that put you in the fetish line?
I named only her legs how do you know I was not referring to her sitting in a cat box full of stanky cat poo?
To that end I already told miss manners aka Majella I would not lower myself into the sewer that evilyn swims in anymore.
CMC -it’s clearly a foot fetish -explains why ‘smelly foot’ gave benr such a jolt in reaction.
benr – 11 years old may have been too generous. I recommend you THINK before you reply, then REREAD the reply and ask ‘ does this make look like an actual dickhead?’ before you hit ‘submit. There’s a ‘cancel reply’ button too, if you hadn’t noticed yet.
@majella
Again you OF all people on this board have zero room to talk.
Snarky does not begin to describe you at times.
“Wouldn’t want to be a Hong Kong democracy protester looking for a job. Those that live that long.”
yeah, for sure. Odd they even hold elections in HK with the coming transfer to the fascists in Beijing coming in the next years here.
I think the chance for mass disappearances to some concentration camp somewhere is pretty high for all these anti-Beijing protestors once the transfer is over. The virus of free expression & individual liberty needs to be extinguished, and quickly.
I’m watching with interest, but mostly massive foreboding on their behalf, PeteA.
The UK, like any country that has ever been powerful, has a whole lot of blood on its hands. But the Joint Declaration was honourable on the UK side. Talking about honour to Beijing is like holding diplomatic negotiations with a komodo dragon.
The younger generation in mainland China don’t know about Tiananmen Square. The youngsters in Hong Kong do, which makes them even braver.
They must watch in awe as the Beijing stooges appear on our TVs to tell the world that what’s going on with the Uighurs is ‘voluntary re-education and de-radicalisation’ rather than wiping out a culture.
But some people on here, mentioning no names, congratulated Myanmar on ridding itself of its Muslims with no qualms, so hey…
Well there is always a humane and careful way to do things. You don’t put wolves and sheep together in the same pens. One doesn’t have to be cruel to the wolves to remove them from the sheep pen. I mean you may have to use tranquilizers…. I would brush their teeth while they were knocked out. Canines deserve clean teeth too!
Not sure what you’re suggesting in concrete terms, there, SSL, for the Ughurs of China.
Most of the Muslims in Myanmar, like most of the Muslims in China, aren’t any danger to anyone.
Like most of the cars in your town aren’t going to kill anyone either. But some of them will. And people will be mangled. But you won’t get rid of the cars.
Let’s not be so sure that we won’t get rid of the cars Alba. After all, I like bikes too. Not per se suggesting anything of the Uighurs Alba, though I do understand China’s underlying concern with militant Islam which is an issue among the Uighurs. And I was simply saying that again, peaceful separation of the two populations would ultimately be the best solution but Janos made a really good point up thread. He said that a nation is like a balloon. If it expands too much it pops. So if China would have been content to simply remove the Uighurs to a relatively autonomous homeland of their own it would be better. China is doing the expansion thing and mixing populations and trying to absorb the Uighurs instead. Big mistake. Different pens for our different creatures that’s all. It is humane and kind and caring and diverse!
“So if China would have been content to simply remove the Uighurs to a relatively autonomous homeland of their own it would be better. ”
Again with the removal. WTF?
The Uighurs are native to the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region. The ‘re-education’ camps are in Xinjiang.
There are 55 recognised ethnic minorities in China. I’m sure Beijing would be grateful if you’d send them whatever kind of jigsaw puzzle you envisage for their various futures.
The Chinese understand Life. You win or you lose. If you let the Muslims get the whip hand over you, you lose in the biggest possible way, your daughters become their whores even you become a dhimmi slave.
The answer? As the Chinese have discovered, you hit them back twice as hard when they act up. As for the Rohingya, they are a disease and must be removed. I remind you that they started it when they started raping Burmese women and setting Buddhist monks on fire. Their old tricks, but this time they’re getting the worse of it. And all decent people are cheering the Burmese on.
And you’re up to your old tricks too: It’s not all Muslims. It doesn’t have to be. Only 3 percent of Colonial Americans were involved in the Revolution. It was enough. Get the point now, Albie?
Yes, compassion is possible if you have wisdom and power. But people like Alba make brutality and tragedy inevitable. She insists on mixing people who should never be mixed and then blames Whites and then insist that the solution is even more mixing. Once there are no Whites, there will be no problem, right? Or in terms of Muslims, once Non-Muslims are terrified and/or converted, the Problem is solved.
“She insists on mixing people who should never be mixed and then blames Whites and then insist that the solution is even more mixing. ”
I’m not promoting any kind of mixing that hasn’t already happened. When you have a fait accompli you have to deal with that. Your utopias are just that. You just don’t care how many eggs you have to break to make your favourite omelette.
You have one modus operandi and others have different ideas.
People who rape women and burn monks should be dealt with accordingly.
We didn’t remove all Irish people from British soil because of the IRA. We dealt with the IRA. In more ways than one, as it turned out.
Who mixed them in the first place and why? You sound like Frau Merkel now with her, “Well, they’re here now”. She should be dealt with in accordance with the incalcuable amount of suffering she has caused and will cause. Ditto her Globalist conferees.
Abuse of Non-Muslims is part of Islam as per the Quran and Hadith. A feature not a bug. You don’t let any of the cancer remain out of compassion for the cancer, Alba. That’s not compassionate to the victim you see.
Sheesh. Where do they get them? And then they let them vote? Oh folly….
“Who mixed them in the first place and why? You sound like Frau Merkel now with her, “Well, they’re here now”. ”
Idiot. The Uighurs have been in Xinjiang for well over a thousand years.
‘‘Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds’ comes to mind when witnessing something like this. Tuition, R&B, fees … at Harvard and Yale that can add up to nearly $100,000 per year. That’s what you’re getting for $100,000 per year.’
yep.. and then double that cost when the snotling is finished with ‘college’ & needs to go see the psychiatrist for uncontrollable anxiety & depression.
And yet everyone of these climate warriors drove over in their f150 as it belched smoke on down the road.
Used their evil smart phone running on power and polluting everything with that 5g driving the bees o extinction and exhaling that evil co2 as they frolicked and cavorted on the field of dreams.
They want to help the planet they should stop breathing but of course they wont because they don’t believe they should have to do anything but bleat like the sheep they are.
ya. They oughta shut the fuck up & get to work shoveling shit out of a barn somewhere. Manage some livestock.
I feel bad (just a little) for these kids. They’ve been forced fed an IG tube full of crap their whole lives about ‘progression’, and live in such narcissist delusion about their imagined futures, that their minds have become twisted into knots.
A year or two of hard manual labor, picking fruit off trees & tilling some soil, would dispel some of that nonsense.
“A year or two of hard manual labor, picking fruit off trees & tilling some soil, would dispel some of that nonsense.”
Please send any spare ones over here. Fruit and veg are rotting in fields since the Eastern Europeans went home and our young’uns don’t want to do it.
And include a bit of no-till training too, maybe, for the sake of the soil. 🙂
Perhaps we could have students do civic service gap years in the fields of Lincolnshire and East Anglia. Instead of Peace Corps, we could call them Apple Corps. 🙂
ha ha
My daughter is 5, so I’ll get her over there in a couple years, how about that.. lol, she gets to help me pick apple trees at her grandmother’s house.. but when gets done there I’ll fly her over.
I have a friend from Portugal, lives in town but still keeps a house there. I was asking him about olives, how they are grown, harvested etc. He was telling me about it, but then he said many olives are just left rotting on the vine because there is no labor to pick them or work in the groves. When I asked what about the young people, he said they won’t work, just like to hang around cafes, drink wine. They have to import foreign labor to do farm work, but, according to him, that’s not so easy.
Apparently you can’t get the kids to work anymore, which doesn’t bode well for the future. Cafe life can be rather pleasant, tho.
Brh
From The Summer of Tough Love July 6 2018
“The golden Colossus of Trump looms over the national scene this summer like one of Jeff Koons’s giant, shiny, balloon-puppy sculptures — a monumental expression of semiotic vacancy. At the apogee of Trumpdom, everything’s coming up covfefe. The stock market is 5000 points ahead since 1/20/17. Little Rocket Man is America’s bitch. We’re showing those gibbering Asian hordes and European café layabouts a thing or two about fair trade. Electric cars are almost here to save the day. And soon, American youth will be time-warping around the solar system in the new US Space Corps!
Covfefe!
Yes, mandatory manual labor for youth. No exceptions. Classic Fascism, National Socialism, and Communism as well. This kind of Degeneracy is dangerous and leads to things like Trannies in Libraries and Gay Marriage.
In this brave new world, a social justice protest on the resume is the 322 club’s version of the MS-13 teardrop.
That said, the Israel/Pali situation needs fixin’
Can’t fix stupid and that is exactly what all that is.
There is plenty of sand out there with NO one having built upon it.
The middle east of course like everywhere else builds upon water sources and ease of movement.
“Can’t fix stupid”
For once you say something I can agree with. You are the living proof of it.
Miss pot meet mister kettle.
Mr. Kettle, I don’t know how anyone, even SSL, could take that as anything but an admission on our part. As for the rest, I’m not a “miss” so that further drives home the point you made that I responded to.
…your part…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohDB5gbtaEQ
🙂 great monty python skit..
reminds me of much of the debate on the forum here, or the internet as a whole, for that matter..
Gentile Jewelers must unite and drive Jewish ones out of business thru fantastic sale and marketing! We’ll beat any of your prices!
Your gentile saviour.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hill_Jeweller
I just like gentle ppl, Janos lol
Is that how businesses are run? Or how Whites took this continent from the Indians? Or Jews, Palestine? You like the results but not the means? So did Bismarck: I don’t want war, just victory. But you can’t have one without the other, typically.
Did you pay for a 5 minute argument, or a 15 minute argument?
🙂
PeteA
“I just like gentle people, Janos.”
My husband once picked up a note from reception about a patient allegedly with ‘gentile’ warts. 🙂
Hilarious thread on media manipulation with side-by-side headline comparos:
https://twitter.com/Incarcerated_ET/status/1198990090757914625
And to think this is but a smattering of the distortions and outright fake news published over the last 3 years.
Jesus wept.
wow
great examples of agitprop at work there. Great find.
Yes, just a small sample though. The one with the rifle scope superimposed on Trump is one of my old fav’s. Cillizza had an excuse for it that was about as well thought out as “the dog ate my homework.”
Nothing will ever top Koigate or Two-scoopsgate though. I will always treasure those moments in Fake News history.
Dylan Ratigan lays it all out in a recent interview with Jimmy Dore. Nice long listen for a holiday weekend.
The Super Rich Have No Country
Ratigan labels it the “extraction economy,” although I’d call it a high level, legalized, looting racket. Either way, it’s organized, it’s criminal, and it looks like it will be terminal. 2008 was our wake up call, but we hit the snooze button (thanks again Obama!) and went back to sleep. If he’s correct the “crash” this time will be more of a slow motion collapse, as the Fed was been empowered to print money (daily if need be) to backstop the financial hemorrhaging with no congressional approvals required, and thus no public outcry, as if that would do any good anyway. Hats off to these crooks, it’s quite a lucrative racket these boys have set up for themselves.
Jimmy Dore has some good stuff sometimes.
Now tie that in with the type of stuff I just labored thru listening from Prince Andrew in his recent BBC interview, and what he describes as meeting the US elite at Jeff Epstein’s dinner parties. Pr. Andrew describes meeting high-up US diplomatic & economic luminaries at Epstein’s home. Why would these types of people be at Epstein’s house? They were there to bang underage girls. That’s the only reason. Epstein was an evil sociopath. He wasn’t known as a ‘nice’ personality. He wasn’t somebody you just ‘hung out’ with.
So, there are your elites for ya (or at least one very evil & corrupt faction).
If you haven’t, check out the BBC interview with Prince Andrew. It’s a fascinating look inside how the elite operate.
Many were there after his first conviction, as well.
Will be interesting to see what comes next. Maybe at some point we may even find out why Podesta was chit chatting about handkerchiefs with pizza-related maps, wetworks, and sacrificing things to Moloch.
I wonder how many of us plebes had even heard of Moloch before those mails came out.
Human trafficking is quite real. Shocking one would even question that, given the info. available .
My wife works with young adults and has been involved in several cases where they were verifiably trafficked and passed around. Some were also involved with groups engaged in ritualistic/occult-based abuse.
This should have appeared as a reply to Sean.
Nightowl
I recall you mentioned your wife before, that she confirmed to you that she had dealt with cases of satanic ritual abuse. SRA has been utterly discredited and, if you give it a moment’s thought, is pretty unbelievable. I asked you to check with her if it really happened. See my reply to GA about trafficking.
Feel free to discredit it for me.
Until then, I will have to go with the word of professionals I know personally with first-hand experience, including hard evidence from the Bundespolizei.
Well, I don’t have to discredit it. My clear understanding is that RSA is totally discredited. It would not surprise me that the professionals and the police still believe it (that is, if this is really the case). This is a very big part of the problem. Have a look into the subject yourself (but without falling out with your wife).
For the police it wasn’t a matter of belief.
That isn’t really how investigations work.
I sat trhough the interview while watching the Ireland vs Denmark match on the telly with the sound turned down low.
Criticism of Prince Andrew appears to be universal both in the media and from ordinary people. In England they particularly find amusing his reference to going to a pizza restaurant in Woking. I do not get the joke. None of these geniuses appear to have worked out that if he can prove he was in Woking on that day and at home with his children on the other evening (which he should be able to do easily) then the alleged victim is shown to be a liar.
I expect he would have liked to have said this on-air but had been advised not to.
The Epstein case is just the latest in a series of witch hunts. The information available to the public is tiny.
E Michael Jones on Bitchute was getting carried away about him funning a blackmail ring because the rooms in his house (one of them) had secret cameras. Who said there were cameras? It turns out it was one of three ‘victims’ from the original investigation about a dozen years ago. They were suing him for more than 500 million dollars but I am sure it was not about the money. From what I can find out this was investigated. And then nothing. If there had been cameras we would never have heard the end of it.
Same applies to every single aspect of this case.
And what the hell is ‘trafficking’ anyway? A correspondent informed me that the feminists invented it to explain prostitution; no woman is capable of selling her body unless she is oppressed by male power.
Well Sean I think the Prince there was lying his ass off, totally. I think he was recruited by Ghislaine Maxwell (who paid girls to have sex with high powered ppl like Pr.Andrew). I think the Prince was having sex with underage girls at Epstein’s home. I also think Epstein was having ppl like the Prince photographed surreptitiously to blackmail him as a form of insurance. Are there pics out there of the Prince doing more then putting his hand around some girl’s waist? I don’t know.
The trafficking part comes in because these girls were not rational adults at the time these activities were happening, and many of them are charging that they were raped by these men. These girls were recruited by Maxwell with promised rewards, then transported willingly or unwillingly around the world– then raped often, and then offered a few hundred quid for what just happened them as a form of ‘payment’. It’s not like they were some high end 35 year old call girl who was running her internet prostitution business. These were children.
Andy denied everything until pictures started coming out. But none of the pictures I saw were of children. Mostly women in their 20’s and 30’s. Of course maybe the pictures of underage girls didn’t make the internet, but are being held in reserve.
A girl of 16 is not a child, so pedophilia is the wrong word. Such a girl is a youth or post adolescent or an ephebe. A young woman in other words. At her peak of beauty and fertility. Of course men are attracted. And they are attracted to men. Should we go with this? Our Culture has gone in another direction – and that’s for both good and bad. An adolescent – Humbert Humbert’s ideal in the novel Lolita – is a hebe.
Humbert Humbert’s ideal in the novel Lolita – is a hebe.
Janos,
And did Humbert not cry out, in a moment of bliss…”Christ was a Jew?”
Was He? The Galilee was famous for its diversity. Even the Celts had a presence there. And of course His description is far more Celtic than Jewish – unless the Jews were once different than they are now.
But I believe the Greek “hebe” is not pronounced the way the slur is, but rather heh-bay. You mind is in the gutter or ghetto.
“A girl of 16 is not a child, so pedophilia is the wrong word. Such a girl is a youth or post adolescent or an ephebe. A young woman in other words.”
oi vey, Janos
well maybe the Vatican will pick up your line of reasoning for its crimes, I don’t know
((slaps forehead))
Pete, if you had only added one more set of Italics! You are worried and you should be. You will not be able to beat our prices.
“A girl of 16 is not a child, so pedophilia is the wrong word. Such a girl is a youth or post adolescent or an ephebe. A young woman in other words. At her peak of beauty and fertility. ”
The World Health Organisation defines adolescence as between the ages of 10 and 19. And yes, the WHO knows that in some countries (notably the most religious ones) young girls who have no say in their own future – again, often for religious reasons – are routinely married off to older men and made pregnant. The WHO would rather they were in school, learning and acquiring the kind of skills that enable a human being to aspire to independent decisions, like when to get married and how many children to have.
And complications of childbirth are the biggest single cause of death in adolescent girls worldwide. Because they’re not at an ideal age for having children. So keep it in your pants and put your fertility dreams aside when it comes to teenage kids.
But it’s interesting how you toggle between hi-falutin’ myticism and naturalistic determinism when it suits you.
*mysticism*
Janos
I did not know any pictures had surfaced. Are they indecent and what is their provenance? (Released by police etc or by the media.) I recall there was much talk about similar pictures being found in Neverland (is that its name?) to discredit Jackson and it turned out it was just an ‘arty’ coffee table book that had sold in the thousands in mainstream book shops.
My wife told me that an Irish radio presenter talked aobut Epstein’s walls being covered with similar pictures or photos. I never heard this. Do you know anything? I assume it is the usual nonsense.
Oh rubbish, Alba. Who care what a UN alphabet agency says? Girls in their late teens are Women and have been having children throughout history and still do in many parts of the world. Calling them girls is a misnomer from a biological point of view, but sure it fits our social culture which extends adolescence into middle age. Our dying culture that is….
I’m interested in all aspects of life, with a focus on what is healthy and what is not – and this is not. Again, our girls in their teens, twenties, and thirties are not ready to be mothers. I know that. That’s why men don’t marry anymore and why we are being replaced.
Sean: They are just pictures of him flushed and partying. Maybe you did see them. There no big deal, everyone is fully clothed. They may not have been any secret – they just don’t fit the image he has been trying to project of himself as a straight arrow. He was a big partier who liked the ladies.
I know they don’t prove the pedophile stuff. But they add to the case, but only since he was trying to deny that he ever lived that kind of lifestyle. Circumstancial evidence as we say over here.
“Girls in their late teens are Women and have been having children throughout history and still do in many parts of the world. ”
And I have pointed out to you that the leading cause of death in teenage girls throughout the world is childbirth and its complications. Because adolescence is not an ideal age to have children.
Some girls start menstruating at 10 – it doesn’t mean they should have children.
The point is that, whether you call them girls or women, they should have choices about when they get married and when they have children. Very often they don’t. They’re not breeding machines at your service – they’re individual human beings with the same rights as you.
Janos,
I have to confess that I was in error relating to the “Humbert quote”…The quote was not from “Lolita”, but rather Philip Roth’s “Portnoy’s complaint.
In my defense, I am the product of a public university education (obviously incomplete), and suffer from stupidity and old age.
My earlier post I recant.
But rumor has it that Christ was, indeed, a Jew….
“And what the hell is ‘trafficking’ anyway? A correspondent informed me that the feminists invented it to explain prostitution; no woman is capable of selling her body unless she is oppressed by male power.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-50345366
An example of trafficking. No feminists involved. Just evil fuckers and desperate women thinking they were going to get legitimate work and a decent life.
Not all trafficking cases are so horrendous. But the practice seems to be on the increase.
Or maybe I just made it up and ‘trafficking’ is a term invented by feminists… Yes, that’ll be it. Forget the article – BBC fake news, probably.
Agree. Israel is full of this kind of crap. They traffic out of Eastern Europe. But yeah, it’s in other places as well.
The Muslim rape epidemic is out of control in Britain. Brain dead bureaucrats looked the other way while it happens – cuz they’re Muslims and therefore Good. Not like those evil White Men….
“The Muslim rape epidemic is out of control in Britain. ”
No it isn’t. Your ridiculous hyperbole makes bad situations worse.
“Brain dead bureaucrats looked the other way while it happens – cuz they’re Muslims and therefore Good. ”
The police didn’t give the evidence of the girls the weight they should have done, early on, because of the kind of attitudes to such girls that some on here have been happy to promote any time #metoo has been discussed. The police were roundly criticised and one hopes they’ve learned from their mistakes.
The perpetrators in the cases you are aware of are in jail.
But resting on laurels is never a good approach in any situation.
But you’re right that religious attitudes to women have historically not been helpful. And most religions have historically had problematic attitudes towards women. You don’t get a biscuit for figuring out why.
GA,
Janos is simply spewing the same old, same old bile he has pissed on this forum for a long, long time.
Ignore that Jew-baiter.
He will be doxxed in time.
I’m happy to report that some Jews are fighting this ancient and unspeakable Evil.
https://www.brandeis.edu/investigate/events/2011/atzum-human-trafficking-israel.html
GA
So it seems a court calls it trafficking. But what exactly happened? It sounds to me that they were either tricked into prostitution (when they should have known better). Perhaps they engaged in it willingly but will not admit it. In any event is this any different from prostitution through the ages? If not, why call it ‘trafficking; now.
BBC fake news. And what is the BBC line on the subject matter of JKH’s column today? If that is not fake news then what is? From the report you linked to the main charge seemed to be selling Ukrainian women to fake asylum seekers. (In some circumstances – ie all through history until very recently – they would surely have been suspected as accomplices. Now they are victims..
This is the reply I got on YT from an American woman ( assume) who has looked into trafficking.
“Sean Coleman I truly do wish we would get back to discussing prostitution honestly, without the spread of mass hysteria and false narratives. As the last link I shared discusses, there is a population of around 2000 unaccompanied minors on the streets of New York alone, and 200 beds put aside for unaccompanied minors in New York shelters. Those that are left out will do what they have to. Not all will become involved in prostitution but some will. For some odd reason people seem to believe arresting friends who buy them smart phones and charging them with child sex trafficking, arresting creators of sites they advertise on, increasing surveillance and eroding all of our constitutional rights is the best way to handle it. The first man charged under the new, and much harsher CST laws in the U.S was a long distance truck driver who was approached by a 17 year old teen prostitute with a fake ID who admittedly lied about her age. Before the changes under the new CST laws this would have been taken into account. The man would have still been charged for sex with a minor but all evidence would be heard and the trial would be fair. Today all evidence is replaced with one narrative. It’s unconstitutional. He was treated and charged as if he abducted and raped a 4 year old at gun point, even though the teen prostitute took the stand and begged them not to charge him more harshly due to her lies. “
Here is the other part from my online correspondent ‘Polly’s Shore’.
“Sean Coleman These witch hunts all have their roots in the same religious and psychotherapeutic mythology behind the Satanic Panic. I’m sure you are aware. Unfortunately most here will have the same common misconceptions. None will be aware that 2nd Wave Radical Feminist, and international anti sex work advocate, Catharine MacKinnon advocated to have the words prostitution, teen prostitution and sex work removed from public discourse and replaced with sex trafficking, child sex trafficking and human trafficking for decades. There are old lectures of hers on YouTube and you can hear her say that few would support a government war on prostitution but they will all support a government war on child sex trafficking because it sounds more dangerous and urgent. Most are unaware that 99% of the time sex trafficking and child sex trafficking is discussed, people are talking about prostitution and teen prostitution. The word child sex trafficking intentionally invokes images of small abducted children being held captive. There has never been a known case of small child being abducted for teen prostitution or sex trafficking in the U.S. The overwhelming majority of teen prostitutes in the U.S are 16-17 years old and running from CPS custody/group homes and/or bad home lives. They are trying to live and survive on the streets until they turn 18. There are some slightly younger outliers, but again the majority or average age is 16-17. Most prostitutes today no longer have pimps due to technology. Teen prostitutes, per social workers and those who work closely with them, are well known for sticking together and sharing contacts. They have also been known to kill anyone that tries to take their money and display a great deal of agency. Many people put together rescue missions for child sex trafficking victims and find older teens who walk right back on the streets when people try to put them back in the group homes they are running from. It takes years of patience and understanding to “rescue” them. They will not stop until they are ready. Radical feminist and religious fundamentalist anti sex work advocates have almost the exact same narratives on the matter, and in fact some have been working together for decades. It’s been well documented since the 1970s in the U.S. They both believe that no adult women can consent to sex work, therefore they are all held captive by force and coercion, raped daily by their male patriarchal oppressors and/or Satan. This goes double for teens running from a bad life, trying to survive on the streets. This is why we see alleged sex trafficking stories in the news that talk about women and “missing children” being released from captivity and their prison of virtual slavery. 99% of the time it’s a prostitution sting that took place at truck stops and motels in several states. None of the cases are related. There is no ring or mastermind to speak of and the “missing children” are runaway teens working as prostitutes to survive. Do not get me wrong. There are legitimate cases of trafficking and forced sex and teen prostitutes living on the streets are at the greatest risk for abduction and actual forced sex but conflating all prostitution with forced sex and captivity does nothing to help matters. Neither does terrifying parents and the public with terms like “child sex trafficking”. Here is a great recent example of the hysteria the MSM pushes by way of Radfem & Fundie narratives. 123 Missing Children Found in Michigan Sex Trafficking Operation [link] Really? I saw a bunch of Q Anon theorists touting this as proof that pizza and pedo gate were real. Too bad they did exactly what the MSM expected them to do. They just read the headline and didn’t actually read the article. The truth is not told until the end of it anyway. Police were checking up on open missing persons reports filed on runaway teenagers. 120 of the 123 had already returned home or to a family members house and were fine. One 14 year old homeless male who did not have a report filed on him was found squatting alone in an abandoned house and turned over to CPS custody. 3 of the runaway teens interviewed may have been working as prostitutes while on the streets. [link] This is a common false narrative used to spread hysteria and fear over child sex trafficking.”
SC
They’re not Ukrainian, they’re Slovakian.
“So it seems a court calls it trafficking. But what exactly happened? It sounds to me that they were either tricked into prostitution (when they should have known better). Perhaps they engaged in it willingly but will not admit it. In any event is this any different from prostitution through the ages? If not, why call it ‘trafficking; now.”
I presume it’s called ‘trafficking’ because they are physically taken from where they live to another country on false pretences to make money for ‘traffickers’. The women were kept in conditions of slavery, which is more than ‘just’ being pimped in your local town, where you have some chance of escape.
I know it’s very comfortable where you live, Sean – it’s like that where I live as well, although it has its Trainspotting parts too, as I’ve mentioned. I saw images of where some of the women were from in Slovakia (the part of the town shown in the BBC photo makes it look like Mayfair in comparison to the actual hovels they’d lived in), so I can only assume that your use of the phrase ‘when they should have known better’, is an unintentially callous-sounding result of that lack of empathy you once mentioned as part of your personality. You said you had to remind yourself that you should care. Perhaps you should indeed make a bit of effort to understand other people’s lives.
(And please don’t give me a lecture on the emotional reactions to Aylan Kurdi – we’ve had it enough times already.)
All sorts of utterly desperate people, men included, have been enticed to other countries on the basis of false promises of a decent life. Maybe in your world they should all ‘have known better’.
I’m not getting into a general discussion of fake news – that was not my point. I was talking about this particular instance. I listen to and read all my news through a filter or wariness, no matter where it comes from, either on this website or the BBC (I prefer Channel 4 but whatever – I listen to both of them with care).
It has struck me, though, over time, that your default position is always to discredit the testimony of women, a priori.
Perhaps you don’t think the victims of the grooming gangs should be considered worthy of sympathy or justice either because they ‘should have known better’.
What I do agree with in your other posts is about nonsense of the type generated during the Orkney hysteria and other similar flights of fancy of the likes of Beatrix Campbell. But I don’t take them as a reason to presume guilt or innocence elsewhere.
Nor would I dream of taking one individual woman’s views on a situation in NYC as the last word in human trafficking.
Thank you, Alba. Sean is a hard case. Some of the Irish are very hard like this. He should read De Quincey’s “Diary of an English Opium Eater”. As a boy he found himself bereft on the streets of London. He was befriended by a street girl, a young prostitute, who showed him the ropes? There was tens of THOUSANDS of such girls, the fruits of the Industrial Revolution and its rape of the English countryside.
He goes on about his love for this girl and the purity of their love. He never forgot her, even after decades. One day she vanished and he could never find her again.
GA
Not Ukranians. Yes. “They are ethnic Romani and came from the town of Trebisov in the east of Slovakia, near its border with Ukraine, from where most of the women were trafficked” That was me speed-reading. Not much of a difference between Uk and Slov ethnically I would say. Not sure why they would be ‘trafficked’ from outside the EU rather than inside it. But I had not noticed first time that they were Roma. This information strengthens my scepticism about their story.
As for scepticism being my default position that is of course true. If women feature prominently then that must be because they are doing more than their fair share of the lying. You are not able to argue your case on the facts because you clearly know even less about them than I do.
The very idea of Roma being trafficked is ridiculous. Do you know anything at all about them? Swedish ethnologist (I think) Karl Olov Arnstberg has studied them in depth and written a book about them (which did not go down well ther obviously). One of the points he makes is that the Swedish Left (like the Left everywhere I am sure) want to treat immigrants like helpless children and that the Roma feel superior as a culture to their hosts. They are street-wise and resilient, hke says, and they also specialize in robbing and ill-treating the defenceless elderly.
I thought we had an agreement, although you keep breaking it. I resent any time I have to spend rebutting your opinionizing. From where I am sitting you have little to offer and I pass over your cooments.
Janos. Tens of thousands sounds far-fetched. Look at Richard Webster’s two-part essay on his Sceptical Essays website which examines the history of modern campaigning journalism through the life of WT Stead, the famous Victorian moralizing editor. Part three never materialized and Webster long in the grave but Stead set the nation ablaze with his daring, salacious series of articles about Victorian child prostitution. He wrote at the climax about how he had bought a young prostitute (of course he did not lay a finger on her). I had to look elsewhere to find out how it ended. From memory he found himself in court and then in a cell. The girl was not a prostitute after all. Her mother was angry to find out how she had been used. Stead had been duped. GA would probably still argue that she had been ‘trafficked”.
By the way I once linked here to a scam run by a remote area in the Sudan. They were receiving millions of euros from a Swiss charity which worked to set free captive slaves. A European missionary witnessed one transaction. The money was handed over and the slaves freed. The latter were played by local villagers. The article said that much of the money was contributed by American blacks.
Mr C
Why is it that you have never lent your views on these matters to the defence of the grooming gangs in Rochester and Newcastle? I have always noticed them ignored in your posts. I feel they should benefit from your wisdom on the unreliability of female testimony as much as any other men, surely.
Rochdale, not Rochester.
“GA would probably still argue that she had been ‘trafficked”.”
Worthy of Janos. I only consider people trafficked if they have been.
And the word ‘trafficked’ does not preclude that the person agreed to go with the trafficker. Trafficking is not charitable work. For trafficking to happen, the trafficker either has to be paid in advance to take someone somewhere, as with the 39 unfortunate Vietnamese people who were asphyxiated recently in a lorry in Essex, or, if they are not paid in advance, they need to make money from the people they traffic, either by selling them on or pimping them out for sex or other work for which the trafficked person is not paid the value of their labour.
Clearly everyone involved, including the 39 dead Vietnamese, should have ‘known better’. But they didn’t. And they remain your fellow humans despite that. And someone took advantage of their not being as clever as you.